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Author Topic: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy  (Read 59797 times)

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #90 on: January 10, 2018, 05:30:26 PM »
wattsup, you suggest that Kapanadze has experience with mosfets and how to connect them correctly? Then what was first? Kapanadze experimented with mosfet transistors and in doing so he discovered an energy amplifying effect, or he discovered an energy amplifying effect and improved it afterwards by using mosfet transistors?


KAPANADZE'S SHUT DOWN DELAY

During the 2004 demonstration Kapanadze unplugged the inverter while the device was running (see video below). He cut the connection between inverter and device. With approximately one second delay the device and the lamps then shut off, generating a faint humming sound thereby. How can that be explained? If this would have been a hoax, simply switching a relay, then why the delay and why the humming noise and why demonstrating it at all?

If we look at the schematic below (this is the electrons from ground version, instead form ionized air), we see a choke (like in Phobos schematic). Given the assumption that the ionization coil (kind of arc welder transformer) generates the surplus of energy, then it is obvious, that a part of the energy can flow back through that choke into the frequency doubler circuit as soon as the connection to the inverter is cut. Hence that device in itself is a closed loop. But the crucial point here is, since there is no 50Hz input reference frequency any longer, what is the frequency of the device? The resonant frequency doubler circuit resonates at 100Hz, that suggests, that the LCR circuit can keep oscillating for a second even without input power and thereby supplying the anode with high voltage at 100Hz. Question: What is the frequency of the output coil in that case? There is no 50Hz reference any more, so it should be 100Hz according to the anode frequency. But supplying the frequency doubler circuit with 100Hz means, it will double the frequency to 200Hz. Each oscillation cycle would double the frequency. One second (the delay) equals 50 doubling cycles. Doubling 50Hz 50 times results in 56294995342131200Hz. What's wrong here? Is there an error in reasoning?

As long as Kapanadze's lamps keep shining bright, there has to be a current, either AC or DC; that's for sure. The Barbosa-Leal patent states, the captor can also work with DC, thus could it be, the Kapanadze device generates DC for one more second as soon as the inverter - the clock generator - is disconnected? How? Guntis: »we get very powerful magnetic field«. Then could it be, the magnetic field is that much powerful that it needs one second to die away, to collapse? And within that one second it can power 5000 watts of load as well as pushing the frequency doubler circuit still a bit, so it keeps vibrating the DC output creating that noise? Enlightening!

I would suppose, as the observed behavior of Kapanadze's device in the video fits the schematic below, that schematic can't be wrong completely.


POLARIZED OR NOT POLARIZED

Also one more riddle has been solved: What's the difference between a polarized and a non-polarized captor as mentioned in the Barbosa-Leal patent? That expression refers to the load (not the captor). Polarized means, both, load and captor circuits are connected to ground (Kapanadze's device), whereas non-polarized means, the load is potential-free (floating). Therefore, when the load is floating and the mains plug can be turned around at will, there cannot be a ground loop that circumvents the power meter. Phase and neutral are connected to the primary coil, isolated from the secondary's ground connection. Since this is clearly drawn in the patent, Barbosa and Leal must have been aware of this right from the beginning. So, no way they filed five patents and called a press conference because of a stupid measurement error due to a ground loop.

One more question: Why is Kapanadze's device polarized? Because connecting the light bulbs to ground (instead just the captor as necessary) gives the false impression, that the ground current is going through the load? Kapanadze's ground current correlates with the current going through the load. Why, when the ground current does not go directly through the load? That's the next question. 5000 watts divided by 220 volts equals 22.7 amps theoretically; the green box ground current measurement shows 22.3 amps practically. The more amps the load draws, the stronger the magnetic field in the iron core of the transformer (or call it choke), the more electrons are drawn from ground. This has to mean vice versa, if there is no load, then there is (almost) no magnetic field and no current from ground. But why should an ohmic resistance (lamps) parallel to the coil strengthen the magnetic field? And what happens if the load is too low ohmic and thus draws too much current, or even completely shorted? The anode attracts electrons from ground, the magnetic field then captures them in a closed circuit. Those electrons generate a magnetic field in that circuit, thereby reversing Lenz's law. What does that mean? Let's say, the secondary coil of a standard transformer is shorted, then the primary coil draws more current. But here Lenz's law is reversed. So, if the secondary coil of a reversed Lenz's law transformer is shorted, then the primary coil draws less current. Further, since the load here is connected to the primary coil instead to the secondary, there is even one more reversion. If the primary coil of a reversed Lenz's law transformer is shorted (through the load), the secondary coil draws more current, this time from ground not the grid, because of the twofold reversion. All laws of physics seem to be in reverse mode and also is the connection method.

There are pitfalls all over the place. Time to get some planks to cover them.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #91 on: January 10, 2018, 07:43:10 PM »
The term “polarized capacitor” generally refers to capacitors that are designed to
have terminal designation.
Meaning one leg is always -, the other always +
Non-polarized capacitors can be reversible.
Meaning either leg can be + or -, or even switch back and forth.


This is usually marked on the casing.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #92 on: January 10, 2018, 09:29:22 PM »
Very good, but there is other explanation possible : what is the role of spark ? It could be the power limiting device.Somehow the excess power is converted into electrostatic form and dumped to ground via spark gap. The interesting part is that even connected to AC mains there is still spark visible,hmm.
But the Guntis remark is the most important one.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #93 on: January 11, 2018, 06:47:23 AM »
Hi Wottsup,

In an LC circuit, we either have series resonance where the current maximises at the expense of voltage, or parallel resonance where voltage maximises at the expense of current. Neither of them offer an increase in overall output power with respect to the level source power. Looking at it in terms of energy sourced and expended, we just add time to the equation. Are you suggesting that by somehow layering voltage, we can overcome this relationship?

@Happy

Yes I know, it's not easy finding the right analog to explain certain things. I should not have used the word OU first but wanted mostly to explain that the water located at the first point of impact is generally still there at that point and the upwell is conveyed atom to atom going further out and only with this limited ability we see the expanding wave going out and giving us the "illusion" of wave travel.

@Zeitmaschine

Look, straight out you already know that my first instinct is TK faked his green box device with the bearded guy holding the feed line. That is the most logical reasoning and I already proved it above coincidence, but let's just go the extra mile and try to rationalize his device for what it is as far as we can ascertain from the visible evidence, the visible and measured data and let's just give the bearded guy a few days rest.

Oh boy, as for your post there are so many points you cover with terms that take so such for granted that it is difficult to reply plus many I do not have an answer for. Firstly about TK devices, we should not then bring in other inventors devices as this only creates additional factors that may or may not be relevant to TK.

For the delay in the lightbulbs going off. There will always be a delay because from active to inactive you will always have a time factor. The bulb cannot turn off before you open the contact. If the inverter output went directly to the load, we would expect a quick bulb off condition. But that line went to his circuitry device so there may be a ramp down that gives that second more again that would be expected. I would then have to familiarize myself with the total video to give you more answers but I do not think it matters right now.

The observation however is sound and should be taken into consideration, but from my experience in figuring out mysteries, once you have looked and looked and function starts dawning on you and you work that function to see if it correlates with the effects in all the videos and the closer you get to the proper function the more the correlations become obvious. We are not there yet.

The point of my intervention is simple with the Green Box because it is basically the most open one we have seen even though the Green Box was closed, there was enough movements, changes, measurements just in this one event.

Things like when he connected the looping transformer back to the battery so he could remove the battery while it was running he showed a standard step down transformer with secondary rectified so we actually saw one event that showed standard expected coupling ability. So if he needed more coupling ability why is the TK coil made like a copper wire ice cream cone? Why not just use another off the self transformer? We are talking many watts of power here and there is nothing in the TK coil that would justify any such ability to transfer all those watts from one form to another form before it supplies the load.

Then the spark gap is coming from the green box. In other devices the spark gap is in series to the TK coil. So what is he using the TK coil for? The simple observation is the TK coil is a decoy or at best a single conductor of a length of wire that is used to layer on the chopping of HV output from the two mosfets. The TK coil cannot couple thousands of watts of energy. Anyone can find standard 220vac transformers and you will see what is required to coupling that much energy regardless if it is isolated, step up or step down.

If the TK device really works like he shows, it has to do with tricking the output wire with an extra exaggerated form of electrical excitation. I would have to expand on that and just that notion but just that could take weeks to explain because you will not be able to understand it using the Standard EE methods.

But I suggest no one bring in anything from other inventors and just concentrate of the TK devices as they are shown.

OK, let's say that TK only discovered one exceptional effect, but that effect is so straight forward and so powerful that trying to get this in the market without giving out the workings is impossible. What would you do? What would anyone do if they wanted to show the effect without giving it out. You put everything in a green box and dress up the ancillary props to create distractions so people will never be able to figure it out. Why is the TK coil different in most all his devices? Some seem to come out of a science fiction movie. The only common link is it's a simple length of wire dressed up to look like a special coil.

So what we need to do is look at what you cannot hide. You cannot hide the effects, regardless of the device, there has to be one factor that holds all of them together and once you know what it is, it has to then stand up consistently in the other video devices. It also has to be out of the box. It has to be based on the evidence available without trying to dress it up.

This is why the only thing that I can think of is HV chopping. How he discovered it, did he discover it before or after this or that is not important because this again sets you up for more possible errors in how to see and consider the effects.

As far as I know, I have never seen anyone try to chop HV into smaller increments so for me, this automatically becomes a good venue of research because the green box visible components, two mosfets, two toggles, etc., fall into them very well. But for sure I do not have all the answers and right now have not done the research.

What I do know is that 120 volts AC mains cannot be the same thing as 120 volts AC chopped from a 4000 volts rise. The former is always controlled which is one of the great utilitarian attributes of AC. The power rises controlled, descends controlled, rises again controlled and descends again always controlled then starts the next cycle always starting from a controlled point of reference. Controlled is what AC is. I say controlled because there is no chance of free ring down like in DC.

Compare that to a HV source that is chopped into 120 vac increments and what do you have. You now have a power source that is not controlled but extracted from a rise state so there is no controlled anything. It just BECOMES and that kind of power generation I have never seen before so what the effect will be is a good guess but for me a valid enough out of the box while realistic enough line of attack.

Sorry for long post but I am really busy these days so I can usually post replies a few days later when more pages go by.

So the first question and really only out of the box question to ask is can a HV source be chopped down to a lower voltage with mosfets? If some of the EEers could fall into this question I think the results will open new avenues to move forward from there.

So lastly, for me, if TK is real or fake is besides the point. For me, using my own powers of observation to derive anything that can be considered as a new avenue of researching is already a great thing in itself and in all cases, if this ever matured into OU, the only thing I would thank TK for is nothing but him being a pain in the ass. Any advancement from here would be our own mutual advancement and I would give zero credit to TK for that only to say yes, even fake devices could become a catalyst for creative research.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #94 on: January 11, 2018, 07:38:10 AM »
@Wattsup amd Hoppy: 
You guys are funny. Wattsup refers to Hoppy as 'Happy' and
Hoppy refers to Wattsup as 'Wottsup'. ;D


P.S. @Everyone: Speculation is not fact. It might be true, but it might be completely false. :)
Coils might be decoys, but they might just as well be essential too. The only way to know if something
works or not is to see if it is working in a test circuit. Bottom line. You can't be sure about anything with these
circuits unless you can prove it with a working test circuit, or unless Kapanadze has a change of heart and 
gives specific details about what is going on in his devices and people can get that to actually work as well.   ;)
Brainstorming is good, but I see a lot of apparent speculation being expressed as if it is demonstrated facts. :)

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #95 on: January 11, 2018, 09:11:55 AM »
In the green box there isn't enough shots at the right angles to show that it isn't fake.
In the 2004 video there is a coffee can hooked to a orange coil of wire,the orange wire along with another wire form the output
the spark is simply to fool the observer that its a Tesla invention.The coils discharge across the orange coil creates a series of high level pulses,mixed with the 50hz 220vac,creating a condition where,it makes reading a voltage hard to do.It also creates a fake current reading in the green box video using the clampmeter he used.The orange coil as well as all the other coils used in all of Kapanadzes
video's are a part of the device,current is created in the coil,its simply a coil,it make no difference as to how its wound only the length
is important,longer length more energy.In one device he uses three coils that are simply coils,its a 3 phase device so requires one coil for each phase.Kapanadze's device amplifies current,amplifying voltage is nonsense,if you define current as the the number of electrons effected,where voltage is the force applied it makes sense.The tpu is basically a variation of Kapandaze's device,the difference is its a series of pulses of high current,a bifilar coil is used it serves the same purpose as the coil in kapanadze's device,however its grounded,so most of the energy is lost as heat,the secondary of the bifilar coil has a diode and a capacitor,this outputs dc voltage to a load.These high energy pulses creates a mechanical effect,a vibration its not caused by a magnetic field,when a coil is wound and subjected to current pulses
it feels like a mechanical effect.In this video theres high current pulses at about 20 to 30 pulses a second applied to a coil, the tapping
noise is an unknown effect,its said to be a slamming of electrons on copper atoms,it happens along the wire at every point.
This is not a magnetic effect,it fits well with the description of the tpu feeling like a mechanical device yet made of wires.
In the Kapandaze device you are amplifying ac current,where in the tpu you are amplifying current pulses.We have to remember that Jack Durban saw the big tpu and played with it,he is an electronic engineer,so if the vibration was merely an ordinary effect of magnetic fields
he would have figured it very quickly,he had no clue.Because speculation in regards to the tpu can be applied to the kapanadze device,in the tpu,the strange looking toroids came from a few defective stereos that he rented out of hes business,there in a high end custom stereo,the toroids were used as filter chokes,because of the defect they had, there effective inductance was zero. In the Kapanadze device the toroid is replaced by strange green transformer,in some devices,Kapanadze would rewind the transformer in some devices,
the core is like two toroids back to back.This transformer was common in the soviet block,from 1970's to late 1980's,there was a lot of surplus transformers around.Kapanadze tinkered with the surplus transformers and accidentally created the device,as did SM tinkering with the toroids,accidentally created the tpu. here is a video showing the mechanical noise generated by the current pulses
the device creating the pulses, was created to test very large current pulses on toroids constructed like SM's,and plotting the magnetic field.Some things are speculation I look for, is it possible,In the case of Kapandaze you have ask the question why did only him come up with this device,two answers one its fake,two the main component the green transformer is only made at the time in the soviet block,it was not used in Europe or  used in the US or anywhere else,except the soviet block.In the case of the tpu I have seen the toroid in the stereo in real life in the past,in the case of the green transformer I have taken a few apart to study them.There are also a lot of clues in the aquarium 2 video.
Kapanadze is full of tricks and wants everybody to believe its a Tesla invention.

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« Reply #96 on: January 11, 2018, 10:31:20 AM »

Look, straight out you already know that my first instinct is TK faked his green box device with the bearded guy holding the feed line. That is the most logical reasoning and I already proved it above coincidence, but let's just go the extra mile and try to rationalize his device for what it is as far as we can ascertain from the visible evidence, the visible and measured data and let's just give the bearded guy a few days rest.

wattsup

Even more speculation!  That TK had a hidden power supply and a lot of eye candy is to me beyond question. That does not mean that I'm also convinced that his contraptions were necessarily out and out deliberate fakes. Its possible that he genuinely believed he had discovered a special power amplifying effect that he could not explain as technically conventional and could cash-in on. Bringing real investors to his garden demos and not letting them use anything more than clamp meters and seeing anything more than the contraption boxes at a safe distance with a good chat line was a nonsense. That TK believed he could convince real investors in this way indicates that he is either delusional, or just a con man simply hoping to find a naive investor willing to shell out loads of money on the basis of what amounted to nothing really more than a visual inspection. His demos and conduct do nothing to convince me in any way that he is a man with devices that could change the course of the world.

We have a few years to go round and round in pain in the ass discussions about his various contraptions and speculation is all we have had and can ever have about them. TK has delivered us a very big Pandora's Box!

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #97 on: January 11, 2018, 11:13:24 AM »
Even more speculation!  That TK had a hidden power supply and a lot of eye candy is to me beyond question. That does not mean that I'm also convinced that his contraptions were necessarily out and out deliberate fakes. Its possible that he genuinely believed he had discovered a special power amplifying effect that he could not explain as technically conventional and could cash-in on. Bringing real investors to his garden demos and not letting them use anything more than clamp meters and seeing anything more than the contraption boxes at a safe distance with a good chat line was a nonsense. That TK believed he could convince real investors in this way indicates that he is either delusional, or just a con man simply hoping to find a naive investor willing to shell out loads of money on the basis of what amounted to nothing really more than a visual inspection. His demos and conduct do nothing to convince me in any way that he is a man with devices that could change the course of the world.

We have a few years to go round and round in pain in the ass discussions about his various contraptions and speculation is all we have had and can ever have about them. TK has delivered us a very big Pandora's Box!
Yes it's all very amusing points to consider you mention hidden batterys if he had one in his device it would not have had the capacity to deliver that kind of power for that long a duration and would have exploded.
Another point is you have talked about spark gaps being hidden candy, high voltage and frequency accelerates (agitates ) the electrons. Come on you can do better than that !

Some other points that face a buyer once he has it and markets it any buyer with a brain has another problem forgery by copy it's not secure.

Over to you ;)

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« Reply #98 on: January 11, 2018, 11:30:30 AM »
Not hidden batteries Alien. As per discussions way back concluded, not the capacity as you and others have pointed out. The power would have to be from the grid or more likely a remote generator, as these must be plentiful in TK's neck of the woods. I mentioned the grenade coil as being likely eye candy. The spark gap may not be.

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« Reply #99 on: January 11, 2018, 11:55:38 AM »
Not hidden batteries Alien. As per discussions way back concluded, not the capacity as you and others have pointed out. The power would have to be from the grid or more likely a remote generator, as these must be plentiful in TK's neck of the woods. I mentioned the grenade coil as being likely eye candy. The spark gap may not be.
   It's a problem of a sad fact on here that magnifying and accelerating electrons happens and has been suppressed considerably in a good many of this threads and a good many people on here are of novice caliber who need to learn quick.

Suppose we take the dally push pull module and feed it into a caducious coil both primary's do you think we might get a standing wave out of the two ends all ready set up ? that's just one idea, so now acceleration is not so much a fair ground miniature  skelter castle or pie in the sky is it ?                           

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« Reply #100 on: January 11, 2018, 01:40:11 PM »
@Wattsup amd Hoppy: 
You guys are funny. Wattsup refers to Hoppy as 'Happy' and
Hoppy refers to Wattsup as 'Wottsup'. ;D

P.S. @Everyone: Speculation is not fact. It might be true, but it might be completely false. :)
Coils might be decoys, but they might just as well be essential too. The only way to know if something
works or not is to see if it is working in a test circuit. Bottom line. You can't be sure about anything with these
circuits unless you can prove it with a working test circuit, or unless Kapanadze has a change of heart and 
gives specific details about what is going on in his devices and people can get that to actually work as well.   ;)
Brainstorming is good, but I see a lot of apparent speculation being expressed as if it is demonstrated facts. :)
All the best...

Yep, you are so right. I always saw his username as @Happy. Sorry about that @Hoppy. I'll remove the smile and replace it with a jumping jack. hahaha. Also Wattsup has no capital W.

I don't think anyone here is insinuating any facts but you have to agree this is far more then speculation. Speculation is when you have nothing of substance to base it on. What we are doing is more of an inventory of possibilities based on possible known and some unknown effects. Unless TK hid the real OU somewhere inside the TK coil, that coil has nothing conducive to mass coupling hence it could be a one pass concentration point for HV chopping. Sorry I don't have a better word for it.

Since HV chop is something I have never done or heard of, so for me it's new, so I will make plans to try it on the bench. It does not have to be to scale to see if the basic idea is workable so any HV coil will do. I imagine PNP will be required so no problem, I have many. I also have a permanent true ground cable coming into my lab to simulate the underground radiator. The bulbs only need to be in series with the ground and the chopped HV output.

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Re: Kapanadze, Stepanov, Barbosa-Leal and the Secret of Free Energy
« Reply #101 on: January 11, 2018, 02:15:58 PM »
I think the ideea is mix low voltage and high amp with high voltage and low amp. The orange wire already have high amps and add voltage from high voltage. Everything is like mixing oil with water .. we need a tool to do that, kapanadze discovery that tool.
***** Tariel said, the device is very simple ****** let's start from here.

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« Reply #102 on: January 11, 2018, 02:32:44 PM »
I think the solution is so simple that it made TK add all kinds of smoke and mirrors to his device. You only add extra crap if the solution would be obvious otherwise.

Like how does the secondary coil in a transformer know what produced the flux? No electrons pass the transformer coils to each other. So what if I use HV on the primary and pull out 230V from the secondary? Where does the need for amps come from?

Or if I charge a cap 35000 times per second with 5kV , feed that through a spark gap into a primary and then take 230V AC out of the secondary. Does the load on the secondary magically pull amps from my 5kV device or does it pull it from the magnetic flux on the transformer core?

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« Reply #103 on: January 11, 2018, 03:13:23 PM »
Hoppy I thought it was from that clip in south Pacific 'Hoppy talk' nice clip if you can find it.
To live some where like that miles from the rest of humanity sop called civilization would certainly be different.

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« Reply #104 on: January 11, 2018, 04:53:38 PM »
a few moments ago I  destroy an 220v / 12v1A adapter, but I can not figure out how I did it. The connection between the spark and circuit it was isolated by the optocoupler and toroid transformer (see diagram below). The oscillating circuit and the mosfet are not damaging. WHAT HAPPENED?
A small explosion occurred in the adapter that fed the oscillating cycle when I was playing with the frequency of the oscillator. I think it was a fraction of a second I see yellow flash that does not know where it came from. (from the bulb?). Inside of the adapter I found pieces of an integrated circuit.



 

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