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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 688497 times)

Offline CRANKYpants

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #75 on: September 12, 2011, 04:28:10 AM »
Hello Everyone,

The coils employed in this prototype are 4.5 ohms, 16 gauge bi-filar wound series connected with M1 core laminations and create acceleration at 1800 RPM with a 10 ohm light bulb. Each coil can produce 50 Watts or more and the magnets are 90 lb pulling weight. They create so much torque and acceleration that two set screws on each rotor were not enough to keep them secured to the drive shaft and they had to be returned to the machinist to have key-ways installed. Even now the air gap on each side is about 1/2 an inch. When properly balanced with three rotors and offset cores the cogging torque is virtually zero and the core "cost" was very low - which is reduced as speed increases anyway and is NOT an issue.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ThaneCHeins?feature=mhee#p/u/4/u3gVfltiO-E

I will post the test data when I find it to end this discussion (which is a waste of time BTW) because all generators have coils and cores with some hysterisis losses inherent in them but not all generators accelerate when a load is applied which is the REAL issue.

Cheers
Thane

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #75 on: September 12, 2011, 04:28:10 AM »

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #76 on: September 12, 2011, 09:47:54 AM »
Dear Thane,

We have said it before, we say it again. Those kind of tests are more than an optical illusion rather than scientific ones demonstrating a principle.

Besides the coils, ohm-age, magnets, flux, frequencies and inductancies, motor INPUT and output figures of a VERY efficiency motor have to be taken into consideration and compare net values.

In my eyes, the only "odd" phenomenon" its the magnetic cogging that stops during the application of a current to the working coil, either in "accelarating or decelarating mode"b (iron cores do that in contrary to ferrites). You claim, cogging is not an issue here. I am afraid is not so.

May i sugest,
...................

Since you have a nice laboratory over there, in your next tests to employ ultra high efficiency motors for the specific rpm as high eff. PMDC motors controlled by a variac or the rotoverter principle (more elaborate).

Try to do that, map the exact imput vs output figures and then we discuss again the phenomenon you suggest again and again.

friendly regards,


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #77 on: September 12, 2011, 02:04:31 PM »
Dear Thane,

You claim, cogging is not an issue here. I am afraid is not so.

May i suggest,...................


May I suggest blah, blah, blah...

I claim that... your claim that my claim IS a claim is not a correct claim .  :P

I ceased making claims (which are a waste of time) many years ago and started making statements of fact based on empirical evidence which can be shown and repeated.

Cogging torque is not an issue in a PM generator which is correctly balanced - this [fact] is a well established fact.

Cogging torque is not an issue because the generator can be started as a motor and then once up to speed the individual motor coils can be converted over to generator coils and NO EXTERNAL prime mover is required. THIS [fact] HAS BEEN ESTABLISHED ON MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL: http://www.youtube.com/user/ThaneCHeins

Also [fact] the output from a "generator" coil can be fed into a "motor" coil and acceleration can be maintained.

May I suggest that everyone who is bugging Overunityguide to "do this and do that" simply be quiet and watch his progression (which is perfect BTW) and do the same yourself (OR DO YOUR HOMEWORK BEFORE COMMENTING) and share actual [factual] RESULTS not useless statements which have no basis in reality what so ever and take baroutologos earlier advice...Reply #4701 http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=4047.4695 on: April 23, 2009, 08:51:07 AM

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I saw your youtube videos Thane.

I think that is all the time we were talking about! Excellent done. Nothing more to say. Who has eyes sees and mind understands. baroutologos

May I also suggest that everyone take Einstein's advice, "Everything should be made as simple as possible, but not simpler."

Cheers
Thane






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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #77 on: September 12, 2011, 02:04:31 PM »
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Offline Jack Noskills

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #78 on: September 12, 2011, 03:29:07 PM »
I am not upto speed with this motor stuff but I want to ask a question.

Tesla used iron shield in one of his trafo designs to delay magnetic field and then he used the delayed field in create more aiding EMF to secondary.

It occurred to me would shielding also work with electric motors ? Some iron shield between motor coil and magnet would change the drag to pull ? Hmm, maybe this is already seen here.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #79 on: September 12, 2011, 11:17:41 PM »
Manner up Thane.

all you are talking about is plain BS. How much is it? 3, 4 ,5 years now? What you have shown? Puzzles for dummies? Lol
If there was any potential in your Potential company, it would have been manifested by now. What is it? Oil barons do not let you? lol

At best keep dreamning for your self. DO not BS-ing other naive indiciduals to the electric art.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #80 on: September 13, 2011, 02:11:04 AM »
Anyone who thinks technology commercialization is easy or fast is dreaming.

However "good things REALLY do come to those who wait and persist"...
with 2915+ connections on LinkedIn
http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/thane-heins-2915-connections/30/2b/a74
and over 2 Million YouTube views the wait is almost over.

Overunityguide and his brilliant work is proof of this fact.

POTENTIAL +/- DIFFERENCE INC.

Background of Potential Difference Inc. PDI is a Clean-Tech/Energy R & D company which was founded by Thane Heins and incorporated in 2005. Initial PDI research began as flywheel energy storage in collaboration with Dr. Paul Allarie at the University of Virginia's Rotating Machines and Control's Laboratory (ROMAC). PDI was invited to move its research into a satellite lab at the University of Ottawa in 2008 following a successful technology demonstration at MIT. PDI's technologies were further developed and refined under the supervision of Dr. Riadh Habash in Ottawa University's power lab.

PDI R & D Products and areas of Business Technology Activity In 2005 PDI began as a UPS/Flywheel energy storage development company due its development of a Conical Magnetic Bearing Design which is now being licensed by NASA.

PDI's area of focus shifted in 2007 with the development of Regenerative Acceleration Generator Technology (RM). Regenerative Acceleration Generator Technology (RM) Regenerative Acceleration Generator Technology represents major breakthrough in EV and HEV design which will now allows all EVs to continually recharge their batteries and may ultimately provide unlimited range and eliminating the need for plug in recharging.

Regenerative Acceleration Generator Technology has the unique ability to reverse the regenerative braking paradigm often employed in EVs to recharge the batteries while decelerating the vehicle. This is accomplished by reversing the polarity of the induced magnetic fields inside the generator.
RM technology can be integrated into existing EV, HEV and ICE vehicle platforms or it can be developed as a standalone motor/generator solution.

INDUSTRY COMMENTS

CHRYSLER ELECTRIFIED POWERTRAINS
- The technology looks really interesting and is revolutionary. I would like to learn more about the technology. Is it possible to organize a demo or a lecture in the USA?"

GENERAL MOTORS
- "This sounds interesting. I'd like you to connect with our Fuel Economy Learning Program manager, to schedule a time for you to come in and share the technology with us. We need to know more about the Physics behind it".
"I have talked with my colleagues in GM US about your solution for vehicles. So, we would like more details about fuel economy and emissions regarding it. Do you have any company that use this approach in vehicles? I am open for discussion".

MERCEDES-BENZ
- "It would be fitting for the inventor of the automobile to be first with your revolutionary technology and for me to play a role in that would be awesome!"

NISSAN Japan
- "Thanks for providing technical information. If the effect of your invention is really true, I am sure there will be strong needs in the market.
How can you prove this on an actual electric vehicle, for example by making a prototype using our Nissan Leaf? I would like to discuss your business model and financial requirements, investment needs, business plan."

EV WORLD
Mike Brace, EV World Tech Editor
- "When we finally understand what Thane Heins has discovered, we likely will have to rewrite the laws of electromagnetism." http://evworld.com/article.cfm?storyid=1890

NASA
Erik Clark NASA-Goddard Space Flight Center - "The magnetics lab here at Goddard expressed some interest in having you come down to do a colloquium"

US AIR FORCE
Omar Mendoza, Program Manager Energy & Environmental Quality Air Force Research Laboratory Wright Patterson
- "We really are more interested in developing its use and application for military power requirements"

CANADIAN SPACE AGENCY Gilles Leclerc, Canadian Space Agency Space Technologies - "I have asked Mr. Gilles Brassard, A/Director, Spacecraft Payload here at the Canadian Space Agency to look at your technologies and to visit your laboratory"

ELECTRIC MOBILITY CANADA Mike Elwood, Chairman Electric Mobility Canada and Vice President of Azure Dynamics

"This is a freakin game changer!"

ELECTRIC MOBILITY CANADA Al Cormier, Executive Director Electric Mobility Canada - "I am writing to ask you to submit what you feel would be an appropriate document to describe your regenerative acceleration technology for circulation to our Committee members"

OTTAWA UNIVERSITY Dr. Habash, University of Ottawa

- "Of course it accelerates... this represents several new chapters in physics, that is why we are consulting MIT"

UNIVERSITY OF TORONTO Dr. Stanley Townsend, University of Toronto & Former Managing Editor of the Canadian Journal of Physics
- "Thane, Your Press Release was most interesting to me as a physicist & an engineer.
The level of technical detail was adequate to tell me that you probably have made a very significant advance in applied physics & in safely & successfully handling a new source of electric power. Congratulations!"

MIT
Dr. Marcus Zahn
- "It works and it is not something I would have expected, now I am just trying to figure it out"

RUSSIAN ACADEMY OF SCIENCE Dr. Evstigneev N.M., Institute for System Analysis, Russian Academy of Science - " A number of your experiments are not lying in the field of Maxwellian electrodynamics"

UNIVERSITY OF CONCORDIA Professor Joseph Shin, Concordia University - "This is absolutely fascinating stuff you are doing"

ROCKY MOUNTAIN INSTITUTE Mike Simpson, Transportation Analyst Rocky Mountain Institute - "You seem to have made an interesting discovery. Our internal physics experts review this information and have determined that it is very interesting work"

PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERS OF ONTARIO Donald Wallace, Executive Director Ontario Centre for Engineering and Public Policy - "Would you be willing to contribute an article on this technology to the Journal for Engineering and Public Policy?"

CANADIAN ASSOCIATION FOR THE ADVANCEMENT OF SCIENCE David Mann, Canadian Association for the Advancement of Science - "If possible would like to meet with you to discuss your approach to the Association and of course to get a better feel about the physics behind your invention. I would still like to see what you are doing and perhaps we can include some of your material on our website newsletter?"


Thane C. Heins
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-through spontaneous cooperation without ecological damage or disadvantage to anyone"

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #81 on: September 13, 2011, 09:20:24 AM »
Not even impressed.

Most of them, have not even taken a magnet in their hands and spin it past a coil.

have fun though

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
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Offline CRANKYpants

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #82 on: September 13, 2011, 01:40:22 PM »
Not even impressed.
Most of them, have not even taken a magnet in their hands and spin it past a coil.

That is because like most people here (and out "there") you can't see past your own EGO unfortunately and nor can they.
But if you could change the way you look at things - the things you look at would change and you and everyone else here would see that;

IF YOU TAKE A CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR - WITH CORES AND PLACE IT ON LOAD WHAT DOES IT DO?
IT DECELERATES DOWN TO A DEAD STOP... THE MORE OUTPUT POWER GENERATED THE FASTER IT DECELERATES.
GENERATOR OUTPUT = ZERO

NOW TAKE THE SAME GENERATOR WITH THE SAME CORES AND THE SAME INPUT DRIVE SHAFT POWER (TORQUE and SPEED) AND PUT REGEN-COILS AND WHAT DOES IT DO ON LOAD?
IT ACCELERATES ... THE MORE OUTPUT POWER GENERATED THE FASTER IT ACCELERATES.
GENERATOR OUTPUT = INFINITY

AS SEEN HERE:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ThaneCHeins?feature=mhee#p/u/3/ARztYvprKkA

- WHILE VIOLATING

1) LENZ'S LAW,
2) NEWTONS THIRD LAW,
3) THE LAW OF CONSERVATION OF ENERGY
and
4) THE WORK ENERGY PRINCIPLE IN THE PROCESS???!!!
JUST TO NAME A FEW.  :D
 
Now all the "smart people" here with imaginations who understand an opportunity when they see one will understand what this means, will stop waisting time and will do what is required to either obtain a license which is free BTW or request a Promotional Agreement from PDI and promote the technology and get 3% of the IP royalties for life. What other forum anywhere offers this to everyone for free? And the best part is you can still be a jerk if you want to while cashing your cheques... other kind hearted people like Overunityguide, Gotoluc, IRON, Justme, Aether22, Teslaset LarryC and others will ALL be offered employment at the eariest opportunity and at their convenience. THIS IS THE FUN PART!

http://www.ev.com/knowledge-center/electric-vehicles-articles/world-changing-electromagnetism-discovery-licensed-for-free.html#bookmarks

Kind regards
Thane

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #83 on: September 13, 2011, 04:19:07 PM »
Yeah as I suspected, it was a commercial.

Bottom line is the first person to generate and distribute a WORKING self powering dynamo will be the one that gets the credit. Not the one who first thought of the idea. The world is interested in results, not theories and indefinite examples...

I think some people are concerned that others might get there before them...? If they are, their time is better spent figuring out/designing a working unit than trying to market their name. It will be time MUCH better spent.

Please don't distract this forum from the REAL work. Heck, you might learn something from this forum that helps you be 'that guy'. But clogging it with argument and ego-driven 'glory me' posts surely wont get you there any more quickly.

Just my .02

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #83 on: September 13, 2011, 04:19:07 PM »
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #84 on: September 14, 2011, 09:24:00 AM »
Not even impressed.

@baroutologos,

What is your problem? Why be so negative? Of Course giving criticism is an easy way to go. But really trying to change something and benefit mankind in the future will require some hard work. If you are not interested in Thane's work, then why do you read this thread? Please give motivated people some room to discuss there findings.

Hello Everyone,

The coils employed in this prototype are 4.5 ohms, 16 gauge bi-filar wound series connected with M1 core laminations and create acceleration at 1800 RPM with a 10 ohm light bulb.

Cheers
Thane

@Thane, Thank you for replying and sharing the fact that you use bi-filar wound series connected generator coils in your most recent setup. (I guess many readers didn't even saw this...) I can imagine that this will increase the capacitance of the coil through higher potential differences in the coil it's internal adjacent wires.

Recently I found an interesting article about Bi-Filar coils:

http://www.hvlabs.hu/zpe/Gruz/forum_matrix.ru/5/VOLTGN.pdf

Thane, thanks again. (and Please don't let other people demotivate you...)

Keep up the Good Work,

And with kind Regards, Overunityguide

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #85 on: September 14, 2011, 10:04:28 AM »

@Thane,

  I would like to thank you as well, you have already opened a gate to new era. No body can slime on it...

  Can you comment a solid-state version of this effect?

  Like strong electromagnet coil is used inside of the coils, rather than magnet passing through on the top?

  I cant understand how delayed lenz effect accelerates shaft? While electron flow on the loading coil does is not affected???
 
  I need to understand in terms of magnetic field creation and collapse terminology...

  Hoping to hear from you..

  Best Regards

  Nuri Temürlenk, Turkey
 

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #86 on: September 14, 2011, 01:03:59 PM »
Thane, have you done experiments using Litz cable in your coils ? You could make 3d bifilar windings easily and try different winding styles. Litz comes in many flavours, even rectangular Litz is available.

Have you tried running two currents in the same core in opposite direction at the same time (assuming you are using a core) ? Now you wonder, if currents come from same source they would cancel out each other in the same core. Yes, but using your idea from mary-jo where those currents belong to different sources they would amplify each other while power is taken from them. You would need three cores for this, two for getting two currents from single source then one output core that combines those currents. With Litz wire this would be a joy to test.

If you find above test setup unclear just ask and I will explain in more detail. I have made a short explanation sort of document about this but haven't been able to test the whole setup yet. But you know the back EMF amplification works because you figured it out and I just copied from you, with a couple of twists tho  :D.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #87 on: September 14, 2011, 01:47:37 PM »
Read whole thread now and I see the 'problem'. Here is what I came up with,

You take nanoperm toroid with high permeability, divide it in four sections and wound a coil in every even section. So there is space between sections. The magnets you would divide also in four sections, one section facing N, empty section, third section facing S and empty section.
This toroid would then be set so that the rotor is inside, those magnets would sweep inside of the toroid. When motor runs then at any point in time magnets sweep the coils in such a way that each coil gets only hits from magnet facing N or S. Never two at the same time.
This would generate current in those coils in so that when power is taken they would also amplify each other. Nanoperm or maybe even iron would keep the field within itself so there would be no drag. Also the field of a toroid is such that it would not affect the magnets in any way.

Well, this would not generate the delayed Lenz effect but would make an interesting experiment.

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« Reply #88 on: September 14, 2011, 02:29:34 PM »
@Thane, Thank you for replying and sharing the fact that you use bi-filar wound series connected generator coils in your most recent setup. (I guess many readers didn't even saw this...) I can imagine that this will increase the capacitance of the coil through higher potential differences in the coil it's internal adjacent wires.

Bi-filar wound series connected generator coils increase coil capacitance by 200% or more...

If you replace your 380 ohm monster coil with a bi-filar series connected generator coil you ought to be able to get similar results with (I'm guessing) 10 ohms of 20 gauge wire?

from Physics of the Fuelless Generator;

Tesla's new "generator" can be explained solely on the basis of its electrical activity. A bifilar coil is capable of holding more charge than a single wound coil. When operated at resonance, the distributed capacitance of the bifilar coil is able to overcome the counter force normal to coils, inductive reactance. It does not allow what Tesla described (Tesla, 1894) as the formation of "false currents."

Because the electrical activity in the coil does not work against itself in the form of a counter-emf, the potential across the coil quickly builds to a high value. The difference between the turns becomes great enough that (Tesla, 1892) "the energy would be practically all potential." At this point, the system becomes an electrostatic oscillator.

Minimal work is done in the system due to absence of translational movement in the displacement current. As small heat losses occur, oscillations are maintained by the surplus charge stored in the coil. Very low energy expenditure allows power delivery to a load over an extended time period without an external fuel supply.

Cheers
T

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #89 on: September 14, 2011, 02:47:04 PM »
Thane, have you done experiments using Litz cable in your coils ? You could make 3d bifilar windings easily and try different winding styles. Litz comes in many flavours, even rectangular Litz is available.

GOTOLUC SPENT TWO DAYS MAKING A 100 STRAND LITZ COIL HURT HIS BACK DOING IT AND ALMOST HAD A NERVOUS BREAKDOWN IN THE PROCESS  :P (SEE THANE HEINS PEREPITEIA THREAD)

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Have you tried running two currents in the same core in opposite direction at the same time (assuming you are using a core) ? Now you wonder, if currents come from same source they would cancel out each other in the same core.


NOT TRUE... YOU CANNOT USE ONE MAGNETIC FIELD TO CANCEL ANOTHER.
THE (NET) FLUX IN THE CORE WOULD BE ZERO HOWEVER BUT THE MAGNETIC FIELDS WOULD STILL BE THERE BUT THE WIRES WOULD BE REPELLING EACH OTHER.

http://www.stmary.ws/highschool/physics/home/notes/electricity/magnetism/MagForcesBetweenWires.htm

THE CURRENTS WOULD CANCEL IF YOU CONNECTED THE WIRES TOGETHER THOUGH.

CHEERS
T

 

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