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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 688589 times)

Offline Overunityguide

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Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« on: August 30, 2011, 10:59:41 PM »
Hi you all,

Please view my most recent video about the Negative Lenz / Delayed Lenz Effect Experiment.
It is actually a Replication of the Thane C Heins Regenerative Accelerating Generator:

http://www.youtube.com/user/overunityguide#p/a/u/0/kzxc3Ai4T3A

My results are the same as Thane C Heins. In my opinion this is what we all are looking for.

With Kind Regards,

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2011, 11:41:21 PM »
Hi you all,

Please view my most recent video about the Negative Lenz / Delayed Lenz Effect Experiment.
It is actually a Replication of the Thane C Heins Regenerative Accelerating Generator:

http://www.youtube.com/user/overunityguide#p/a/u/0/kzxc3Ai4T3A

My results are the same as Thane C Heins. In my opinion this is what we all are looking for.

With Kind Regards,

Overunityguide
Higher frequency will change the phase between current and voltage. It also affect the power output of the coil. Loading the motor will probably change the phase between current and voltage, and therfor it appears to draw less energy when loaded. Watt in a AC motor is a product of U x I x cos(phase). If the phase between voltage and current increase when loaded, you get less Watt readings from the grid.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2011, 09:14:38 AM »
Higher frequency will change the phase between current and voltage. It also affect the power output of the coil. Loading the motor will probably change the phase between current and voltage, and therfor it appears to draw less energy when loaded. Watt in a AC motor is a product of U x I x cos(phase). If the phase between voltage and current increase when loaded, you get less Watt readings from the grid.

Vidar


@Vidar, I am familiar with the U x I X cos(phase) Power calculation... I am an electronics engineer myself. So yes I know all about shifting phases. This is exactly why I have mentioned in my video that the value which is being displayed is the real Watts Power Value. So with the cos(phi) phase shift corrected.

So to be more specific, it doesn't appears to draw less energy, but it does this for sure. You can see the exact difference when I load it with my finger. When loading it with my finger the real power consumption goes up and the cos(phi) comes closer to 1. So after this I let it run idle again and then I connect my load, so that you can see that the real consumed power is going down after connecting the load.

What happens in this setup is that we use the parasitic capacitance of the generator coil, just like Thane C Heins explains in one of its videos.

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2011, 09:14:38 AM »
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #3 on: August 31, 2011, 04:37:53 PM »
@Overunityguide . Your experiments are very interesting . What happens to the input watts and RPM when you replace the lamp load with a short circuit ? There is a good reason for asking this question . In a recent news item on Peswiki News , Thane Hiens talks about a motor for bicycles . The idea is like your experiment , but uses many coils , all short circuited . The idea is that once the motor is up to speed , it will run just from the delayed Lens effect . I think Konehead mentioned the same idea on the Muller Dynamo thread .

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #4 on: August 31, 2011, 05:52:42 PM »
@Overunityguide . Your experiments are very interesting . What happens to the input watts and RPM when you replace the lamp load with a short circuit ? There is a good reason for asking this question . In a recent news item on Peswiki News , Thane Hiens talks about a motor for bicycles . The idea is like your experiment , but uses many coils , all short circuited . The idea is that once the motor is up to speed , it will run just from the delayed Lens effect . I think Konehead mentioned the same idea on the Muller Dynamo thread .
Did he also disconnect the powersource and ran the motor exclusivlely on delayed Lenz effect?

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #5 on: August 31, 2011, 06:31:52 PM »
@Low-Q .That is exactly what he claims . However the Peswiki article is not clear as to whether he has actually achieved this . I suspect not , as he appears to looking for 6 or 7 thousand Dollars to "develop" the device . Why not look up the article on Peswiki ?

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #6 on: August 31, 2011, 06:34:44 PM »
Hi you all,

Please view my most recent video about the Negative Lenz / Delayed Lenz Effect Experiment.
It is actually a Replication of the Thane C Heins Regenerative Accelerating Generator:

http://www.youtube.com/user/overunityguide#p/a/u/0/kzxc3Ai4T3A

My results are the same as Thane C Heins. In my opinion this is what we all are looking for.

With Kind Regards,

Overunityguide

Hi Overunityguide,
What is the power input to the drive, for the same drive settings, but without the coil present?
Nice video.

Thanks
Mike

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Offline Overunityguide

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2011, 08:15:16 PM »
@Overunityguide . Your experiments are very interesting . What happens to the input watts and RPM when you replace the lamp load with a short circuit ? There is a good reason for asking this question . In a recent news item on Peswiki News , Thane Hiens talks about a motor for bicycles . The idea is like your experiment , but uses many coils , all short circuited . The idea is that once the motor is up to speed , it will run just from the delayed Lens effect . I think Konehead mentioned the same idea on the Muller Dynamo thread .

@neptune

Thank you, I have just checked what the power drop is when short circuiting it, and then it goes from 77 Watts back to 71 Watts. Further when doing this, you can here the motor run lighter...

But for now I am using a .37KW motor (370W) which is a bit overkill for this kind of setup

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #8 on: August 31, 2011, 08:26:40 PM »
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But for now I am using a .37KW motor (370W) which is a bit overkill for this kind of setup.
Hi, it might be just right for converting your motor to RotoVerter an then your input power should drop to just a few watts.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2011, 08:33:20 PM »
Hi, it might be just right for converting your motor to RotoVerter an then your input power should drop to just a few watts.

Hi kEhYo77,

That is what I was thinking of in the first place, but I cannot do this in my setup, because my motor is rated at 1500 rpm / 50 Hz, and in this experiment I am feeding it with the 3 phase power at 100 Hz which is coming from my converter. But if you buy a 3000 rpm / 50 Hz rated normal induction motor, I expect that you can combine those two different approaches.

Thanks for your Reaction, Overunityguide

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #10 on: August 31, 2011, 08:42:41 PM »
@OverunityGuide
I got one of those 3000/3 phase/50 Hz waiting on my shelf for my setup by the way :D
I think it is just a matter of driving frequency. I plan to do my own inverter with a variable frequency sine wave to drive the motor.
This way I will be able to achieve the RPM threshold for different coils/cores.
Best of luck...
 

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2011, 09:14:42 PM »
@Overunityguide . The logical next step would be to add a second shorted coil , and note the input power reduction .With more and more coils , the input power should become less , but I feel you will eventually come up against the law of diminishing returns .You could also experiment with the coils parameters , number of turns , type of core etc . I wish you success . My old legs are getting tired on my bike , and I dont have a spare 7000 dollars to give to Thane Heins .

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2011, 09:29:46 PM »
Hi Overunityguide,
What is the power input to the drive, for the same drive settings, but without the coil present?
Nice video.

Thanks
Mike

Hi Mike

I have just tested it and it seems to be 66 Watts with the generator rotor removed, So when only running the plain motor.

And yes I know what you want to say... This is not Overunity...

Running 71 Watts Shorted, 75 Watts without a load, 73 with a load connected and 66 Watts when in plain motor mode...

But, that is not what I try to show here, I am only trying to show the proof of principle by now. As I have said earlier, there can be a lot improved in this kind setup.

The mechanical design of my generator for instance is one of poorest design which you can use... Further am I using a .37KW Motor right now, which is also a bit overkill.

Please keep remember it is only to show the effect.

Kind Regards,

Overunityguide

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2011, 09:56:53 PM »
Hi Mike

I have just tested it and it seems to be 66 Watts with the generator rotor removed, So when only running the plain motor.

And yes I know what you want to say... This is not Overunity...

Running 71 Watts Shorted, 75 Watts without a load, 73 with a load connected and 66 Watts when in plain motor mode...

But, that is not what I try to show here, I am only trying to show the proof of principle by now. As I have said earlier, there can be a lot improved in this kind setup.

The mechanical design of my generator for instance is one of poorest design which you can use... Further am I using a .37KW Motor right now, which is also a bit overkill.

Please keep remember it is only to show the effect.

Kind Regards,

Overunityguide
Hi Overunityguide,
Thanks for replying with the figures.
No problem at all that this is under unity. I was merely interested in the penalty % that the coil drag adds to the system by itself, for this particular setup.  In this case it appears to be about 13.6% added load, and from that there is a recovery of about 44% when fully shorted. So the fully shorted penalty is about 7.5% That may not be all due to the electromagnetic effects, but also there is increased aerodynamic frictional losses as the magnets try to “squeeze” through that air gap between magnets and tip of coil core.
Some tests with ferrite have shown between 3% to 20% penalty depending on speed. The speed up is a bit more elusive though.

Thanks again for taking the time to check the figures ,and post.
Mike

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2011, 10:05:06 PM »
Hi Overunityguide

To add on the above post.
It would be interesting to see what the pure EM losses are, by replacing that coil/core with a nonmagnetic non conductive form  -same shape/size - and test for added load needed at the same rpm.
Then comparing these losses to previous, the true added load “if any” !  can be calculated.

Thanks
Mike

 

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