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Author Topic: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect  (Read 884825 times)

Jack Noskills

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #90 on: September 14, 2011, 03:00:17 PM »
I meant the electric currents would cancel if only single output so zero power, flux of course would stay.

I have played with two secondarys sharing the same core and they can be connected together. One way they cancel as expected but the other way they add up. Same stuff but just opposite phase. When power was taken voltage also increased, I verified this with third coil that was in the same core with the other two. Third was not connected to anything, just for measuring purposes.

So my test setup was such that primary created the flux, this went on to two secondaries. When power was taken the 'backward' flux of one secondary feeded the other. Also some of it went to primary of course but there was alternate path between secondaries which enabled this feedback to be more efficient.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #91 on: September 14, 2011, 03:15:30 PM »
With my testing when I got 1.86 COP from a trafo I realised that the amount of COP over 1 was related to area of core that was on the alternate path between secondaries. It was about the same size as area that was in the primary so it makes perfect sense.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #92 on: September 15, 2011, 03:35:10 AM »
@baroutologos,

What is your problem? Why be so negative? Of Course giving criticism is an easy way to go. But really trying to change something and benefit mankind in the future will require some hard work. If you are not interested in Thane's work, then why do you read this thread? Please give motivated people some room to discuss there findings.

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And with kind Regards, Overunityguide



Far from being negative, Baroutologos is a serious hands on experimenter. What he is reporting has been verified through experiment. He speaks the truth. I have verified these same experiments and confirm his work.

What this list needs is more good people like Baroutologos who are not afraid of the truth and are willing to speak out! 

It is interesting that the two people with questionable unproven technologies should be so quick to castigate my friend.

Ron







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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #93 on: September 15, 2011, 01:45:32 PM »
Far from being negative, Baroutologos is a serious hands on experimenter. What he is reporting has been verified through experiment. He speaks the truth. I have verified these same experiments and confirm his work. What this list needs is more good people like Baroutologos who are not afraid of the truth and are willing to speak out!  It is interesting that the two people with questionable unproven technologies should be so quick to castigate my friend.Ron

SOME THINGS NEVER CHANGE...  :-\

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #94 on: September 15, 2011, 03:51:13 PM »
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Far from being negative, Baroutologos is a serious hands on experimenter. What he is reporting has been verified through experiment.

AND EVERYONE CAN FIND IT WHERE?

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He speaks the truth. I have verified these same experiments and confirm his work.

WHICH EVERYONE CAN FIND WHERE?

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What this list needs is more good people like Baroutologos who are not afraid of the truth and are willing to speak out!

SPEAK OUT AGAINST WHAT EXACTLY?

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It is interesting that the two people with questionable unproven technologies should be so quick to castigate my friend.

Ron

OK HERE IS PROOF...

1) CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR COILS CREATE "MAGNETIC FRICTION" ARMATURE REACTION COUNTER TORQUE AS EXPLAINED IN LENZ'S LAW WHICH SATISFY NEWTON'S THIRD LAW... "FOR EVERY ACTION THERE IS AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION."

THE PROOF OF THIS CAN BE SEEN HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYi2OyS5cK4
AND HERE: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGstOJ4NDQQ

...AND THE FACT IS LENZ'S LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CORES, HYSTERESIS OR COGGING TORQUE ETC BECAUSE LENZ'S LAW STILL APPLIES IN AIR CORE AXIAL FLUX GENERATORS. ANYONE WHO SUGGESTS OTHERWISE IS EITHER IGNORANT OR DELIBERATELY MISLEADING PEOPLE - WHICH IS NOT NEW ON THESE FORUMS.

2) THE REGENERATIVE ACCELERATION GENERATOR COILS CREATE MAGNETIC ASSISTANCE COMPLIMENTARY TORQUE WHICH IS ALSO EVIDENT IN THE SAME VIDEOS ABOVE.

3) THE IEEE ACCEPTED EQUATION FOR HOW MUCH DRIVE SHAFT TORQUE IS REQUIRED TO PRODUCE 1 WATT OF POWER AT 3000 RPM IS:

Torque (Nm) = KW x 9550/RPM

SO 0.003 Nm OF EXTRA TORQUE IS REQUIRED TO SUPPLY 1 WATT OF POWER AT 3000 RPM. IN ANY GENERATOR SYSTEM ON THE PLANET EARTH.

NOTE: EXTRA TORQUE IS REQUIRED TO PROVIDE 1 WATT OR 1 MILLION WATTS OF POWER IN A CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR SYSTEM.

HOWEVER IN THE REGENERATIVE ACCELERATION GENERATOR (RM) PARADIGM NO EXTRA TORQUE IS REQUIRED IN FACT IF A STEADY STATE SPEED OF 3000 RPM IS DESIRED WHEN USING THE RM COILS THEN THE DRIVE SHAFT TORQUE MUST ACTUALLY BE REDUCED BECAUSE THE RM CREATES ITS OWN TORQUE.

THIS WAS INDEPENDENTLY PROVEN BY NRC SCIENTIST DOUG HARTWICK AT OTTAWA UNIVERSITY (DATA ATTACHED) AND FOR MAGNA INTERNATIONAL (DATA ATTACHED).

NRC TEST DATA SHOW:

1)A 12% INCREASE IN PRIME MOVER INPUT TO SUPPLY POWER TO A 10 OHM LOAD IN A CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR SYSTEM.

2) A 40% DECREASE IN PRIME MOVER INPUT IS REQUIRED IN THE REGENERATIVE ACCELERATION GENERATOR MODE TO SUPPLY 223% MORE POWER TO THE SAME 10 LOAD AT THE SAME RPM FROM TEST #1 ABOVE. Running the tests at the same RPM ensures that the induction motor is operating at the same efficiency.

3) 0.00 WATTS OF OUTPUT FROM THE CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR WITH THE SAME PRIME MOVER INPUT AS TEST #2 ABOVE.

CONCLUSIONS:

4) THE RM GENERATOR PRODUCES 4 WATTS OF POWER TO THE LOAD.

5) WITH THE SAME PRIME MOVER INPUT THE CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR PRODUCES 0.00 WATTS.

6) THE PERFORMANCE ADVANTAGE OF THE RM COIL vs THE CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR COIL IS INFINITE%.

MAGNA INTERNATIONAL TORQUE TEST SHOW:

7) A 10.6% DECREASE IN DRIVE SHAFT TORQUE WHEN A CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR COIL SUPPLIES POWER TO THE GRID WITH A FIXED PRIME MOVER INPUT.

8) A 6.5% INCREASE IN DRIVE SHAFT TORQUE WHEN THE RM COIL DELIVERS 21.6% MORE POWER TO THE GRID WITH THE SAME PRIME MOVER INPUT AS ABOVE IN #7.

OVERALL RM CONCLUSIONS:

AS THE OUTPUT POWER DELIVERED TO A LOAD IS INCREASED TO INFINITY IN A CONVENTIONAL GENERATOR SYSTEM - THE INPUT POWER TO THE PRIME MOVER MUST ALSO BE INCREASED TO INFINITY AS WELL.

AS THE OUTPUT POWER TO A LOAD IS INCREASED TO INFINITY IN A REGENERATIVE ACCELERATION GENERATOR SYSTEM THE INPUT CAN BE DECREASED TO ZERO.


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T

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NRC AND MAGNA INTERNATIONAL TEST DATA ATTACHMENTS BELOW:
« Last Edit: September 15, 2011, 04:39:27 PM by CRANKYpants »

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #95 on: September 15, 2011, 04:37:41 PM »
...AND LENZ'S LAW HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CORES, HYSTERESIS OR COGGING TORQUE ETC BECAUSE LENZ'S LAW STILL APPLIES IN AIR CORE AXIAL FLUX GENERATORS.

I will have to disagree with this logic. It's like saying cold pizza isn't good because hot pizza is...

Lenz law can apply to both... and perhaps one way to overcome it relates to a properly designed core.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #96 on: September 15, 2011, 05:18:20 PM »
Lenz law can apply to both... and perhaps one way to overcome it relates to a properly designed core.

I WILL HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH THIS LOGIC BECAUSE IT IS LIKE SAYING A ROUND PIZZA IS NO GOOD SO WE HAVE TO INVENT A SQUARE PIZZA BECAUSE IT WILL BE BETTER...?  ???

WHY SCREW AROUND WITH CORES WHEN SCREWING AROUND WITH THE COIL GETS THE JOB DONE SINCE 2007?  ;)

A REGENERATIVE ACCELERATION GENERATOR CAN SUPPLY AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF POWER TO A LOAD WITH A FIXED PRIME MOVER INPUT

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?  :-\

CHECK OUT THE KINETIC ENERGY GENERATING SYSTEM BIKE PROJECT WHICH IS CURRENTLY BEING BUILT TO PROVIDE MOTIVE POWER WITH NO EXTERNAL SOURCE OF POWER.

CHEERS
T

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #97 on: September 15, 2011, 05:38:35 PM »
I WILL HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH THIS LOGIC BECAUSE IT IS LIKE SAYING A ROUND PIZZA IS NO GOOD SO WE HAVE TO INVENT A SQUARE PIZZA BECAUSE IT WILL BE BETTER...?  ???

WHY SCREW AROUND WITH CORES WHEN SCREWING AROUND WITH THE COIL GETS THE JOB DONE SINCE 2007?  ;)

A REGENERATIVE ACCELERATION GENERATOR CAN SUPPLY AN INFINITE AMOUNT OF POWER TO A LOAD WITH A FIXED PRIME MOVER INPUT

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT?  :-\

CHECK OUT THE KINETIC ENERGY GENERATING SYSTEM BIKE PROJECT WHICH IS CURRENTLY BEING BUILT TO PROVIDE MOTIVE POWER WITH NO EXTERNAL SOURCE OF POWER.

CHEERS
T

FIRST, I LOVE to USE CAPITAL letters in TEXT because IT represents me YELLING and THAT yelling MUST make MY information MORE important! So please LISTEN to WHAT I am SAYING!

Seriously, If you want people to take you serious, choose a different screen name and don't present yourself as such a zealot. Yelling doesn't make people listen to what you have to say. In fact, it offends them and turns them off of your knowledge.

Second,
I haven't seen one of your free energy generators (or so you claim) on the market.

Third,
It is obvious that you are so in love with your design you are not open to other ideas. That is not a very good scientist, engineer, marketer, inventor, or whatever you decide you are.

Peace out. I don't like to argue, it wastes time and energy that can be spent on more productive things.

I simply hope people realize that there are more ways to do it than "Thane's way"

I hope you get this OU bike on the market. I really do. The world needs something like that. Happy building.

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #98 on: September 15, 2011, 05:40:40 PM »
double post sorry

i_ron

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #99 on: September 15, 2011, 06:23:32 PM »
AND EVERYONE CAN FIND IT WHERE?

WHICH EVERYONE CAN FIND WHERE?
 

From the information you have released here is how coil shorting works.
Note this is a full time short and not peak shorting ala Kone Head

This video was first presented in 2009

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USnDxqslfyA

1) baseline, no coil/core, 1.2A @ 80 volts AC  (input) 3419 RPM

2) coil/core drag, 1.85 A @ 80 volts, 3216 RPM

3) coil core shorted, 1.53 A @80 volts, 3330 RPM

You can hear the rotor accelerate so I have Thane "acceleration" but it is only drag reduction and never exceeds the prime mover RPM .

This is a valid test of among many that have been released, conforming to the information you have released. If you have unreleased propitiatory information then it becomes a whole new ball game. In which case to be believable you have to open source this information.

Both you and romero should do this to become believable, other wise the charlatan label sticks better than velcro.

Ron

As an aside, I did work with Thane in those days and built two rotors for him. He paid me more than I asked so I have no axe to grind with him other than the lack of real information presented here or any other list.


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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #100 on: September 15, 2011, 07:00:52 PM »
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This video was first presented in 2009
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USnDxqslfyA

1) NO LOAD PRIME MOVER INPUT = 1.85 A @ 80 volts, 3216 RPM
A) (which is a function of prime mover efficiency, core quality, coil output optimization/design)
B) (core quality/hysterisis losses apply in ALL permanent magnet generators whereas NONE accelerate themselves when a load is applied).

2) INFINITE LOAD PRIME MOVER INPUT 1.53 A @80 volts, 3330 RPM

You can hear the rotor accelerate so I have REGENERATIVE "acceleration" WHICH IS INCREASING THE SPEED AND INERTIA IN THE SYSTEM - WITH NO EXTRA ADDED INPUT POWER IN FACT THERE IS ACTUALLY AN ENERGY DECREASE WHICH IS A VIOLATION OF THE WORK ENERGY PRINCIPLE. YEAH!  :D

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This is a valid test of among many that have been released, conforming to the information you have released. Ron

NICE WORK RON! - IF YOU UPGRADE YOUR COIL DESIGN (AS I MENTIONED EARLIER IN THIS THREAD) YOU CAN GET MORE THAN 50 WATTS OUTPUT... AND YOU CAN KEEP ADDING COILS AND CREATING ACCELERATION AT INFINITUM.

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As an aside, I did work with Thane in those days and built two rotors for him. He paid me more than I asked so I have no axe to grind PERHAPS A KNIFE IN THE BACK BUT DEFINATELY NO AXE - WAY TOO MESSY >:(
 

CHEERS
T

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #101 on: September 16, 2011, 04:26:52 AM »
1) NO LOAD PRIME MOVER INPUT = 1.85 A @ 80 volts, 3216 RPM
A) (which is a function of prime mover efficiency, core quality, coil output optimization/design)
B) (core quality/hysterisis losses apply in ALL permanent magnet generators whereas NONE accelerate themselves when a load is applied).

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C)  : baseline, no coil/core, 1.2A @ 80 volts AC  (input) 3419 RPM
Oh that's right, C can't be attributed to your data because you don't do baseline measurements for total system efficiency analysis.

Jack Noskills

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #102 on: September 16, 2011, 08:49:04 AM »
Results do not show what is the power created by the coil so a bit unfair comparison. Also what is the effect when adding coils if one coil has positive effect ?
Anyway, effect has been confirmed by 3rd party so makes no sense to argue about it. I am interested in making it better, I am engineer so always want to improve things. Drives the wife nuts sometimes.

What is your opinion about running the magnets inside toroid made of high perm material ? If iron has u about 5000, and you replace that with core that has u of 450000 then that should give a boost to output load.
If toroid is used then there would be no drag as the magnetic is vertical and the creating field is horizontal. Well maybe magnets would attract to core but enough airgap should reduce this effect.
This does not give you adding of torgue, but would create power without drag. And if you apply Thane's back EMF aplification in the toroid coils you would get double output.

I would add iron shield between the magnet and coil, in fact better to make this shield from iron wire and use it as a coil so that it goes around the HV coil, or just smaller coil that is between magnet and HV coil. For example air core toroid of iron wire and HV coils inside or outside if smaller toroid is preferred. You would then get power out from the shield coil also and no drag. If voltage matches the HV coil you can connect it in parallel, otherwise you can connect it in series with HV coil.
Am I making any sense to anyone, what is your opinion about this setup ?

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #103 on: September 16, 2011, 10:29:15 AM »
CHECK OUT THE KINETIC ENERGY GENERATING SYSTEM BIKE PROJECT WHICH IS CURRENTLY BEING BUILT TO PROVIDE MOTIVE POWER WITH NO EXTERNAL SOURCE OF POWER.

CHEERS
T


Dear Thane,

I would love to see anyone spinning on your ‘Kinetic Energy Generating Bike’ in the near future. For me there is no doubt that the regenerative acceleration effect exists and that it can be used in real world applications in the future.

Maybe what you can do when you have finished the Kinetic Bike, is to let any of the critics spin around on it and let them accelerate until they are crapping their pants. :)

With Kind Regards, Overunityguide

For Information about the Confirmation of the Negative Lenz Effect:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzxc3Ai4T3A

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Re: Confirming the Delayed Lenz Effect
« Reply #104 on: September 16, 2011, 01:33:23 PM »
C)  : baseline, no coil/core, 1.2A @ 80 volts AC  (input) 3419 RPM

Oh that's right, C can't be attributed to your data because WITHOUT CORES ITS NOT A GENERATOR IT IS JUST A ROUND THING ROTATING IN THIN AIR...

AND BECAUSE ALL GENERATORS IN THIS CONTEXT HAVE:

1) WIRE AND WIRE RESISTANCE
2) BEARINGS AND BEARING RESISTANCE
3) CORES AND CORE RESISTANCE

BUT IF YOU ARE SINCERE AND YOU COMPARE APPLES TO APPLES I.E TWO IDENTICAL GENERATORS ON NO LOAD WITH:

4) THE SAME DRIVE SHAFT AT THE SAME RPM WITH THE SAME DRIVE SHAFT TORQUE SUPPLIED BY THE SAME PRIME MOVER BE IT AN ELECTRIC MOTOR, GAS OR DIESEL ENGINE, WIND, STEAM, WATER, DONKEY, GERBILS OR WHATEVER AS PDI HAS DONE. (SEE OTTAWA UNIVERSITY VIDEO BELOW)

5) THE CONVENTIONAL (REGENERATIVE BRAKING) GENERATOR WILL DECELERATE THE SYSTEM WHEN PLACED ON LOAD. AND THE GREATER THE LOAD THE FASTER THE RATE OF DECELERATION.

6) THE REGENERATIVE ACCELERATION GENERATOR WILL ACCELERATE THE SYSTEM WHEN PLACED ON LOAD AND THE GREATER THE LOAD THE FASTER THE RATE OF ACCELERATION.

7) THE REGENERATIVE ACCELERATION GENERATOR COIL WILL EVEN ACCELERATE WHEN THE LOAD IS ALMOST 7 TIMES GREATER THAN THE CONVENTIONAL LOAD AND

8) THE REGENERATIVE ACCELERATION GENERATOR WILL ALSO ACCELERATE THROUGH THE DECELERATION CAUSED BY THE CONVENTIONAL COIL AS SHOWN HERE WITH A PERFORMANCE ADVANTAGE THAT EXCEEDS 500%: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3JVjbXOssQ

CHEERS
T

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