Anyone taken the time to build one of these "fog injectors" and run it with an ICE? What kind of fuel-mileage (before and after) did you experience? What size of engine?

I'd like to put one together but just wonder what others have experienced.

Sincerely,
truesearch

petar113507 
Member   Join Date: Dec 2007
Posts: 57 
 
I have a few ideas here.

If the water molecules are held together by an electric/magnetic bond on a molecular level, would changing the water, alter how it burns at all? In this, I mean by magnetizing the water, will it make it dis-associate easier with the pizeoelectricity? I have noticed that the water become more viscous when it is 'alive' -- it could go either way.

Partially related -- Jetijs posted a great ionizer circut. (Here: Ozone generator...) I was thinking of replacing the 12V fan with the ionizer. It also 'pumps' air, but it makes the air negatively charged in polarity. I was thinking this might have some effect to the way it would burn -- just like it does in a car.

If you use one of those air ionizers on the intake manifold on a gasoline engine, you can get away with letting the fuel burn leaner, and using less fuel. I do not know why this works this way, but I have a hunch that I might be able to use the ionizer similarly, to make the car run off of even LESS water.

These are just tests I'm going to do when I get this thing up and running -- it sure tickles my imagination to see the different ways in which I can test, and tweak this.

I'd also like to ask -- where should I pose general questions about powerme's clues? I had some "dreamthinking" last night I'd like to discuss. Should I start a new thread about this, to keep this one on the "nuts and bolts" procedure? I ask this, as I do not want anyone to think that this project is less legitimate, or workable due to any 'partially related' tangents. 

Trying to bounce around some ideas,
==Romo
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great intelligence Romo,
use spark gap with magnet quenching to produce  electric wind, this moves gaseous at the same time solidifying bonding force thus liberating HHO by ionization.
Same principle used by Tesla in his Electric flying machine. Electric wind has many peculiar properties too!.

Truesearch,
You can expect 30%  gain minimum, but you can go much higher!.

RAD,
There is no wrong or right here, please look beyond these forums for knowledge. Best if you conduct think dream, you have  much more knowledge than what you now perceive.

@ThePowerToBe:

Thanks for your reply! I'd like to see what sort of measurable results I can get.

sincerely,
truesearch

great, please post your process if possible for others to see. I did not add heater etc, but one can build according to their specific need.

Slovenia,
thank you for your efforts, but please let everyone be Free, We are here on earth as individuals for a reason. Good job, please post your process if you are building too.

Electric Wind, electric whirls etc are not well known, old books will hep you understand the effect, there are some patents too.

A note to Folks here,This thread is only Half of the info
The rest is at Energetic,
Arron Mahacmedkowalski [probably misspelled his name]
Has a disagreement with "The powers To be" [AKA powerme]
Hopefully they can work this out ? in the mean time
Its Thread Ping Pong.
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7365-discussion-best-way-use-heat-hho-generate-electricity-17.html

Enjoy
Chet
PS
Post the link every now and then fellahs!

Thanks Chet.
 EF had banished me 
"Thou shall not commit fraud" thanks @ Aaron

I am not right nor wrong, it is only what one wishes to see.

@ Arron Mahacmedkowalski, can you please post your finding?.
thank you very much.

Here are before and after pics of my second batch of crystals.  The first picture is after ice bath before cooking @ 60°C for two hours.  The second picture is after cooking @ 60°C for two hours.  Another definite increase.   

hey Almine,
no master here, I am just like you, no difference.

fog is injected into air intake, works well, but may need tuning according to each vehicle's need.

here's a little injector that I put together, make it bigger, better etc.

Romo: good, I'll look forward to it.

Chet, fishman: please, no hard feelings, we all the same, pls accept my apologies as well.

Oh I'm not Almine.  She is a great teacher and sometimes you sound a bit like her (that is a good thing   ) so I just thought I'd toss one of her quotes out here. 
  Thanks much for the diagram and info on the injector setup.  That will be a big help knowing that and all the more motivation to get the crystals made. 

OK Fellahs ,
This is from bolt,
Over here
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=10156.msg277260#new

Quote:

When HHO is ignited under great pressure like 150-200 PSI with ICE the power is greatly magnified. Like when you trap HHO in a container then ignite it the explosion almost takes your roof off! Anyone that tries to store any amount of HHO in containers at pressures over 7 PSI has just made a lethal weapon particularly where its raised to pressure like 100 PSI its highly unstable and will try at any time to convert all that energy back to water.

HHO recombination is an electron migration process where water is used as a Zero Point Energy proxy. So the water is not actually the fuel even though it will consume water. For all practical purpose who cares it uses water?  As HHO burns thru metals and raises to thousands of degrees the process has been measured as OU as electrons are accelerated at huge speeds form kinetic energy bombards the adjacent molecules in the material being heated and the temperature is raised several magnitudes hotter than the HHO flame itself.  The process is improved higher by high voltage spark at flame point as within Atomic Welding. High voltage spark adds abundance of free electrons.  See early 1900's books already recognised this process as OU.

For HHO heaters use rock ore materials with high crystal content not metal. As crystal excited by extreme heat the crystals are energised release more and more high speed electrons as piezoelectric effect into adjacent material heating >3000 degrees. The process goes OU. Special cut rock is then built up around the heat chamber to make a HHO core reactor. Then conventional fire bricks cover the stack to make a 300 degree IR radiant heater.  Several patents on this already.

Typically the HHO yields a COP 3 within ICE when all the other parameters have been perfected for engine timing etc.

So if you put 1000 watts into your cell you have 3000 watts of energy within the engine. Take off 1000 you need to give back to keep the cell going plus engine losses, friction and alternator conversion loss etc so total you need to give back 2000 watts of this energy. Now you have 1000 watts OU available to run a load. You can see by making engine super efficient you have 1000 watts here which can be recovered rather then giving it back as losses so as the process is refined you get over 1000 watts OU.

Now you can see without any PWM driving and special tuning already the process has a COP 3. By using PWM high frequency drives, ultrasonic water fog injection, resonance tuned alternator, the COP can easily exceed 5 even higher.

So if you perfected everything and used PWM etc reaching a COP of 10 within a car engine is not impossible in fact its very achievable as others have done this already.  You need a 5kW cell to get 50kW out the engine running only HHO and nothing else. Perfect for a small car.

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Fellahs
bolt is an HHO Guru
BE NICE !!
Thanks
Chet

fishman,
i have not tried gluing but heck, it's your creation, try and let us know. ZnO is pretty tough,don't worry.
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Chet,
thanks for the new info. HHO alone is will raise ICE temperature unsafely, however the atomize fog acts as a coolant. there are already numerous sites that sells and explain effects of water fog injection kits, some have been doing this for decades successfully, but the ultrasonic HHO is an all new cat in the playground.
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Supergod,
I am not sure of the application that you had mentioned. The circuit I am talking about is 100 years old. TT, rectify tube, condensors, Ionizing chamber. Simple stuff. I do not care for new age discrete electronics.
Submolecule water fog is easily nucleated and  ionized to release HHO by white spark from positive charge, NOT the purple spark from negative. An auxiliary tubular condenser chamber will be suitable for this purpose as it can produce electric wind to move fog in and out of chamber at the same time dissociate fog with fine electrostatic force at controlled rate, preferbly 20-40% HHO only.
If you still think that water is binded only by H2 + O then you have not learned a thing. Aether has properties, it can be made a solid out of water and the H2 and O that is why H2 and O is released FREELY
This is a combination of already known work in Sonochemistry and Cavitation Nucleation. Analog circuitry is much easie to build and very robust, not to mention easily replicable and cheap.
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Everyone,
When testing your crystals, throw away the transformer that came with the ultrasonic fogger, wind your own transformer, for the single piezo, I run it at 36v, current not important. You can buy just transducer only and mount them yourself, they are $2 each, you need to cast your own housing, metalgury skills. Or better, ask to buy the ultrasonic fogger without power supply, that will shave off some $$.
For automotive application, It does not make sense to run and inverter
Your transducer needs to run at above 43 khz or you will not have combustible gas. My cells runs at 45 khz.
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I am not a guru, no teacher, no expert,  I never ever wish to be one.
I am next to Nothing as I'm just another man like you.  Guys, follow your guru as you have not and may never learn self intellectual.
Best of luck.
Have a nice day