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Author Topic: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric  (Read 382945 times)

Offline ramset

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #120 on: March 13, 2011, 11:51:02 PM »
Slovenia
NICE!!,
Glad to See you here with the same handle!
For those that don't know Already,Slovenia is "Top Shelf"!!
WELL,
I forgot we're all on the same shelf [Power Me]............
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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #121 on: March 14, 2011, 12:40:50 AM »
Thanks Ramset for the nice welcome!!


Slovenia
NICE!!,
Glad to See you here with the same handle!
For those that don't know Already,Slovenia is "Top Shelf"!!
WELL,
I forgot we're all on the same shelf [Power Me]............
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Chet

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #122 on: March 14, 2011, 12:53:49 AM »
Hello OU Members,

For those of you interested, we've received a lot of great material from Powerme, (The Power To Be).  So much information that we could sure use more help analyzing all of it and comparing notes.  I am in the process of trying to compile all his notes into a fast and loose reference guide but I'm not done yet, and I'd like to build his water injector system too complete with the crystals.  We need all the help we can get.  We're all very busy with our own lives but I feel that what Powerme has shared with us is something no less than incredible.  I still haven't learned how to connect with my higher self yet, so I need some of you smart fellows to help me in this endeavor.  I do have a website that is open to anyone who wants to join.  The site is an archive site and I've archived all of Powerme's posts there.  Also, others including myself are putting pictures up there to of their projects.  I have links to all Powerme's recommended downloadable books too.  I continue to add things to the site but it takes a lot of time and I'd like to make these devices too.  Anyway, the link to my site is:

Power1 Crystal-Piezoelectric Study GP
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/Power1Crystal-PiezoelectricStudyGP/

Anyway, I continue to update all the Powerme posts to this thread and also to the ongoing Powerme thread on Energetic Forum, "http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7365-discussion-best-way-use-heat-hho-generate-electricity-18.html".  So, please join us and help us build a great new working prototype of the Powerme device so we can share the information all across the web worldwide.  Thanks!!!

Best Regards,
Slovenia


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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #123 on: March 14, 2011, 02:16:18 AM »
Slovenia
NICE!!,
Glad to See you here with the same handle!
Chet

Slovenia,
glad also to see those links worked for you,
and you got things sorted with the login issue.
(You know me as WeThePeople @ EF BTW...)

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« Reply #124 on: March 14, 2011, 02:21:46 AM »
Hi CompuTutor,

Yes, thanks for helping me out with the links.  It's great to be here.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

Slovenia,
glad also to see those links worked for you,
and you got things sorted with the login issue.
(You know me as WeThePeople @ EF BTW...)

Offline petar113507

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« Reply #125 on: March 14, 2011, 04:41:58 AM »
Allrighty,

At first my procedures were very strict -- but now they're a lot more lax.  I'm going to post some pictures outlining my equipment, and what I do with them.

First things first:  I don't know if anyone's ever inhaled ANY ammonium hydroxide Nh3(OH) before
This is the only website that I needed some technical information from.  I suggest looking for more to understand what you need to until your curiosity is satisfied.  This has, thus far, worked excellently for me.
http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/etools/ammonia_refrigeration/ammonia/index.html

Specifically, this table:
Summary of properties:
Boiling Point  -28°F
Weight per gallon of liquid at -28°F 5.69 pounds
Weight per gallon of liquid at 60°F 5.15 pounds
Specific gravity of the liquid (water=1) 0.619
Specific gravity of the gas (air=1) 0.588
Flammable limits in air 16-25%
Ignition temperature 1204°F
Vapor pressure at 0°F 16 psi
Vapor pressure at 68°F 110 psi
Vapor pressure at 100°F 198 psi
One cubic foot of liquid at 60°F expands to  850 cubic foot of gas

So, the stuff that we're looking for turns into a gas at 28°F or higher.  Most of the time, it will not freeze if you are careful.

I'll mix in some pictures of my equipment too, so it doesn't get too dull for anyone.  :)

First:

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/0312012036.jpg)

At first I used this distilling system.  Looks like a regular distilling system -- Kinda like you might use to make rubbing alcolhol, or make beer flat, and non-alcolholic.

It worked allright, but I had some technical difficulties.  It has to do with the "boiling point" as listed above.  At first, I had thoght I just had to heat up the 1-GAL container, and wait for the ammonium condense on the other side.

So my first 24 hours (last week) were spent, waiting for something to condense out, and it wouldn't.  With little critical thinking, I looked up the table I have listed above -- and realized it will only condense into a liquid at a significantly lower temperature.  (Doh)

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/0312012101.jpg)

So then I put the two bottle contraptions into the mini fridge, and connected them at the tops with my distilling-contraption.

This works as I have found, but good luck if anything freezes in the aluminum pipe.
:o


Warning:  If you inhale 10% ammonium hydroxide, you will feel a burn in your nostrils like you have inhaled essence bleach or wasabi.

The warning is, as follows: It is Very painful.
Breathe in twice, and you get lightheaded enough that you need to sit down, in a well ventilated area -- and are incapicated for about 10-20 minutes.
Leave your eyes open when pouring to a different jar, and it burns your eyeballs quite badly. (Not physical burn, but quite the sting.) 
This is the only time, that I have been grateful that I had lab goggles for chemistry.  I have even resorted to using (swimming) goggles.  Looks goofy, works great.
That is working with the 10% stuff.

I have been working with my concentrated stuff with by breathe held, and swimmers goggles, and clothespin over my nose.  Like I said -- It looks goofy but I don't even want to find out what it is to make a mistake with the concentrated stuff.  This has been your warning.

It turns out, you don't need all the aluminum tubing fancy stuff. Turns out, After a moment of clear thinking -- most of my fancy add-ons were un-nescessary.

The simplified version -- (The day that superman9976 posted the same thing!  Great idea!  ) -- is throwing it in the fridge, and leaving it at a coldest temperature I can set my fridge to.  The water freezes and the ammonium stays liquid.  (laugh smiley)

If you want to Read his simplified procedure:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7422-growing-crystals-piezoelectric-energy-harvesting-2.html#post134004

He also has some great points.  Another source to contrast against the original procedure.

And when it emerges, the water should be frozen, but not the other stuff.

The slush looks like this
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/0313011230.jpg)

I take out the water while it is half-frozen (still slushie form), and strain it through a metal strainer -- to filter out some ice.  (Remember, do this outside)  I then put the solution into the second container. Put the second container back in the freezer.  Rinse and repeat.

Strainer:
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/0312012358.jpg)

I do not know the exact concentration -- I poured in about 600 ml in the beginning, and it was concentrated @ 10%.  You gotta do a little bit of math, to see that when the concentration is at about 200ML or LESS, then your concentration is "enough".  A little more won't hurt, but it WILL add more pressure to your reflux condenser.

But, Speaking of the reflux condenser:
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/0312012122.jpg)

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/0312012121.jpg)

Okay, so now that you've got the ammonium at the right concentration, what next?

Go through the crystal procedure:

Cook at to 60* C, adding in the Zno.  Slowly doesn't really matter.  I can even pop off the lid of the jar, and dump in 30 G at once, and then mix it up with my "stirrer".  I suggest "popping" the lid outside, as doing it inside will take quite a while to clear out.

My "stirrer"

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/0312012131.jpg)

Three magnets are on the left sides.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/0312012132.jpg)

The one in my hand, I threw inside the jar too -- the ones on the drill stayed like that.  :)

Throw it into a big pot of water -- Cook it at 60* C.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/0313011327.jpg)

The water/oil/whatever you use acts as a thermal buffer.  It stores up a lot of heat -- so your stove going on/off every so often doesn't matter.  Just keep the water around 60, and you can sit back and relax.  :)

Note that I had the reflux thermometer, and the outside solution thermometer.

The thermometer on the reflux jar tells me the internal temp. of the solution -- and the outside candy thermometer (atop the pot of water) tells me how hot the water "buffer" is.  Comparing between the two has given me "good enough" temp. control.

Eventually though -- if you don't wanna be that fancy, I found that keeping the outside solution between 65-70C, and an ice cube on top of the 1/2 gal kept it the "right" temperature.

Throw in the Zinc oxide when it gets hot enough. (60*)

Stir it every 5 mins or so.  I spent this time reading, and getting up to pick up my jar, and use the "stirrer".

Let it get down to 0* (Freezer/fridge)

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/0313011517.jpg)

Take the mix out when it has sat at 0* for about an hour.

Let it sit in warmer water, so as to avoid breaking your glass.  Sit for 5 mins to avoid thermal shock.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/0313011358.jpg)

Cook it again @ 60* C, stirring it to break up the crystals from getting too large.  (every 5-10 mins for 2 hours.)

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/0313011653.jpg)

Even if you mess up a little bit, you still grow crystals.

Here, I have about 2-3 times the original.

Before:
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/0313011351.jpg)

After:
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/HHO-ICE/0313011919.jpg)


Tests with them and with the pizeoelectric are on the prioroity list for the next few days.

I grew the last batch to be slightly larger than the other crystals,so that they might perhaps use a slower wave frequencey.

Next few days should tell me that.  :)
I've got a good feeling about getting this done,

==Romo


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I don't know about anyone else, but JB's most recent quote:
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7351-bedini-earth-light-15.html#post134012

Quote from: JB
Question.........
Inquorate,
This is a subject that I really do not want to get into, but I will answer you this one time. The cell did bounce around a little very small amount with the charting. But the Scalar Tuner was all over the place. I'm sorry to say this but were not finished with any of this. It's going to get far worse and "They" know it, that is why they are storing food, but not for us just them. It is time to put all differences aside and work together. I really hate to know anything about any of this, but I guess it's my path in life. I just see things far different then most people and always have. Yes I'm off the wall sometimes but I'm really afraid at what I see going on with the whole world. Take for example the Sun and what is going on with it, that Star can cook you right one side of the planet, reason for under ground bases built everywhere, but not for you. That is all I'm going to say about it.
John B

This has been the reason I've been driving in overhaul about this energy stuff for the past few years.  Does anyone else know why I've felt pressed for time?
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Offline petar113507

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« Reply #126 on: March 14, 2011, 05:07:56 AM »
So I got fed up with looking at the blank pages, I couldn't find the right information about the transformer, or pizeo circut.

So I cracked it open. ::)

It looks like the transformer is just the transformer -- nothing to break up or modify really in there.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/0313012049.jpg)

it would be then, potentially something inside the circut. I would need to, therefore, break open the pizeoelectric transducer itself, and either modify, or replace something in there.

(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/0313012053.jpg)

Does anyone have any leads that I can run with in doing this at all?  I'm looking for a certain resistor or potentiometer. 
Can we brainstorm at all in how to get the pizeo tuned?

Closer,
==Romo


(P.S.-- Copper IS gold picture I was talking about:
(http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/petar113507/CopperISGold.jpg))

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #127 on: March 14, 2011, 12:54:13 PM »
Wow Romo,

I wish I had some of your energy and whatever else you have going for you.  You're doing a great job.  Thanks for sharing all your great information.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #128 on: March 14, 2011, 01:00:29 PM »
Thanks Power1 for sharing this information.  I'm communicating with higher self but it's not getting back to me yet.  When I'm talking to it in a relaxed state, I get a very strange feeling from it like I'm really talking to another person.


Thank you Slovenia, the back up files will come handy someday.
Nature has remedies to aid with your dreams and manifestation of reality. Shaman uses them but I dont.


Offline Super God

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #129 on: March 14, 2011, 03:58:23 PM »
I have everything except the ammonia, I picked up some 29%. Starting trials asap...I picked up a distilling kit from Lab Depot and a hot plate...

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« Reply #130 on: March 14, 2011, 05:00:07 PM »
One of our team members from Energetic Forum, Vickers, just shared an easy way to make the Powerme crystals in an easier alternate way.  He's had great success with this method.  Here you go:


From EF by Vickers
Hope Powerme dont mind but I would like to simplify some of his very simple instructions. (just to speed things up a little).

Zinc oxide can be bought at any pottery supply outlet over the counter.
May not be nano... but if u really keen u can grind the hell out of it with a mortar and pestle for as long as u can.

Can concentrate ammonia easily and safely using a crock pot with upside down lid full of icewater. Place a small collector bowl in center of crock pot.

Instead of mag stirrer and hotplate use a plastic drink bottle. Ur household hot tap water is 60C. To prevent fumes make sure u seal it as mentioned in powerme first post. This is perfectly safe. There will be zero pressure build up. Learn boiling temp of water VS boiling temp of ammonia.
Immerse bottle in hot tap water to heat and shake the hell out of it every minute or so. The longer the better.

Freeze overnight to concentrate the ammonia and slowly heat again to maximize the reaction of highly concentrated yet safely contained ammonia.

Pour onto oven tray and evaporate.

Scrape up ur crystals.

Done.

Offline petar113507

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #131 on: March 14, 2011, 07:31:06 PM »
Two things.

One -- Distilling the ammonium is easiest done inside the freezer, and a jar of some kind.

Bring it down to 0* -- the water freezes, and the ammonium doesnt.  Use a metalfilter, to "screen" off the ice.

Do it twice, and it's WAY above the concentration that we need for this experiment.  THAT is the simplest that I've found, and stick to this one as of yet.  Takes about 6 hours to distill it twice.


Second,
Those "natures aids" reminded me of something I read about shaman, and psychoactives.  They called Salvia divinorum  the "shaman's herb".  Someone I knew, also grew crystals (a concentrated version of the psychoactive in Salvia) from the stuff, and tripped out really hard.  Kid never was the same thereafter.

Drugs, are not the "real" way to open up various parts of your endocrine system (chakras) -- but can temporarily open them up, so that you know when the thing is "open" or not.  For some people, it works because it gives them a roadmap of getting themselves more "enlightened"  but because your body needs to 'process' the chemicals, it can be harder on your liver or kidneys.

Knowing when the different parts are "open" can let you know what you need to do, on a daily basis in order to become more "open".  Now, taking drugs -- won't help you if you don't pay attention to where your feelings go in the first place.  This might be a little bit over some people's heads -- but feelings travel places in your body. 

When you are frustrated, or angry -- Most people know the "lump" in your throat. How did the lump get there?  Where does it go when you get rid of it?  (Answer here, Most people know the sigh after being frustrated & had solved it -- The sigh is the physical indicator of a deeper process.  When I say the feelings "travel" between bodyparts -- I am asking you to pay attention to where your feelings go, or how they feel when they go somewhere.  You become more sensitive with this over time.)

Also, people don't always pay attention to the "tingles" that happen when you have a good idea, or have done something right.
Your body is a very powerful tool, and will tell you quite a bit you'll need to know.  All you need do, is listen.

If you are sensitive to these internal processes, and are aware what happens to you on a regular basis -- experiencing the altered state, can be insightful.

This is terribly off tangent though.  Onward to the pizeo-electric today and tomorrow!

==Romo

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #132 on: March 14, 2011, 07:57:33 PM »
Hey Slovenia,
Thank you for your continued effort. Your pvc idea is great, it is a very durable material. My little shoebox was just a quick way to entice people into seeing the many possibilities of water as fuel.  Experiment with your setup, you will come up with your own unique way.
For self eccentric, it will develop over time, much like speech process. My process started with cosmic orgasm, and the manifestation of intelligent entities, yes they do exist, hence I was a Dog but don't dwell upon the phases, keep moving.
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Romo, you have a great mind, there are many papers though restricted in Sonochemistry and other published works that employed Keeleys findinds of water dissociation at 43khz. The ZnO crystals amplifies the HHO production.
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Nature is the best way to go, but a concentrated natural dose will allow one to experience the higher realm first hand, not a good way but a helpful one, Leary had already explained them but it's a tiny portion of the All.

Good luck all and thank you for your efforts, everyone has their own unique way.

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #133 on: March 14, 2011, 07:59:55 PM »
Hi Romo,

Thanks for going off track on the higher senses thing.  I appreciate it very much.  I think this process is also important to our work or Powerme wouldn't have referenced it so much.  He said a lot of things that were very insightful and interesting, but I couldn't really relate to this aspect, because I've never utilized it before.  I've just been running on empty with the regular brain.

Best Regards,
Slovenia

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Thanks Powerme
« Reply #134 on: March 14, 2011, 08:08:29 PM »
Thanks Powerme for your continued support.  Most of us need it because we don't have the gift yet that you and Romo share.  We are fortunate to have both of you sharing with us.

Hey Slovenia,
Thank you for your continued effort. Your pvc idea is great, it is a very durable material. My little shoebox was just a quick way to entice people into seeing the many possibilities of water as fuel.  Experiment with your setup, you will come up with your own unique way.
For self eccentric, it will develop over time, much like speech process. My process started with cosmic orgasm, and the manifestation of intelligent entities, yes they do exist, hence I was a Dog but don't dwell upon the phases, keep moving.
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Romo, you have a great mind, there are many papers though restricted in Sonochemistry and other published works that employed Keeleys findinds of water dissociation at 43khz. The ZnO crystals amplifies the HHO production.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------

Nature is the best way to go, but a concentrated natural dose will allow one to experience the higher realm first hand, not a good way but a helpful one, Leary had already explained them but it's a tiny portion of the All.

Good luck all and thank you for your efforts, everyone has their own unique way.