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Author Topic: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric  (Read 280595 times)

Offline RAD-HHO

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2011, 06:35:35 PM »
You will not pursue this project any more here in this forum, or period?

Not your call, but ours?  Please explain!  I for one am waiting on supplies I have ordered to complete this project!  Now you say you are dropping it!  Thanks!

I have had time to see this through clearly.
Guys, I am very sorry but I will no longer pursue this project.

It is not my call, it is yours.

I must continue on my own journey.

I wish you all the best.

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Offline Qwert

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2011, 07:09:50 PM »

Finding a way of creating free energy does not mean we can all go home and relax.
In my post I meant to warn experimenters to be wary of an issue of using hydrogen in their ICEs. However, there still exist an enormous opportunity in using hydrogene otherwise. Hydrogen Fuel Cells Industry is the immediate example to this.

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2011, 07:23:12 PM »
This system is a primitive method of utilizing widely available Internal Combustion Engines...
Anyway, the final decision always belongs to experimenters. My concern here is to warn those unconscious/unaware ones.

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2011, 07:23:12 PM »
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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2011, 08:00:58 PM »
Power1, You might be giving up, but I am not.  I have also already ordered supplies in order to complete this project -- so I'm in too deep to not give it a try.  My chainsaw arrives this weekend -- and I need to wait for the parts of my spark plug to arrive.  I will be ON this project -- at the latest -- in a week.

If anyone else is in a similar situation -- or if anyone else simply wants to pool together information about this project, that we may collectively string these ideas together, and get it working in some way.  :)

I'm not sure if I can access "higher states" of consciousness yet, so as to rely on my inner knowledge -- but I beleive that through collective collaboration, we may yet get this project running/working.  I meditate, and ask myself questions in dreams -- keep a dream journal, and occasionally am gifted with answers.  I do not know if this is useful information to anyone -- but I know I get some pretty solid answers sometimes.  Off topic:  Does anyone else do this?  Can anyone else TRV, or dowse?  If yes, we might be able to pool together some "data gathering" -- see if that leads anywhere.

I think There are too many good ideas applied in this project -- to bring nothing to fruition.  At the very least, I'll get a brand new HHO torch, and can experiment with suggested silicone refinement, and odd matieral properties with HHO.  I can also use the HHO to bubble through olive oil, or water to "charge" it with a negative millivolt potential -- I've seen some good health results with this already -- this would help to produce more of the stuff.

But Enough about my ideas of how I will apply this project.  I simply know I also had a strong gut feeling to go with this project -- I also wish to ask Power1 many questions about the things he has done with ORME's, and seawater reactions. 

Call me crazy, I but it seemed as though he knows some of the things I have been trying to use/do for the past year or two, since I had my first experience with kundalini.  If anyone has any guidance, or wishes to collaborate, I will leave a spare email address it is -- askromo@gmail.com

Power1, if you read this, and are kind enough to reach out and share where you learned these things from, I would be very greatful.  If not, I understand -- I simply hope the next time you wish to share your ideas, or further your ideas -- to not leave so abruptly.  I feel you have AT LEAST a few people who are humbled by the information and work you share with us -- we ARE willing to listen, and experiment. 

Please, give us time.  In the least, I am working as fast as my own time will allow.  I am sorry if this does not produce results in your measure quickly enough.  I can only offer what I CAN do -- If what we have not offered enough -- I wish that you may be blessed with someone who may asborb the information in its entirety.

I have also done internet research based on the keywords you have left in multiple threads -- this leads to a large wealth of information, and books.  While I could pile through all of the information you have left in a year or so -- I wish to know which path you took, to better understand how I might apply this "databank" of tangents you've left us with.

If nothing else -- in spite of my desires and wishes -- thank you for sharing with us.  It is a feeling I get around my heart -- not organ-related.  I beleive this is sincerity -- I know you did not have to share this information, nor lead us on with further tangents (albeit, through several accounts) in spite of having been kicked several times.  I see the effort here.

I, in the least, very much appreciate the effort.  You are right -- the world is too F*cked up to not do anything about it.  I'm 20 years old, and I'm stepping up -- I want to help make a change.  I'm posting here, because I'm looking for help from any community to do so.

Anything you can share will be further appreciated.  If it is to me, I will share it with anyone who I know can use it -- If to others, I hope I may hear of it.

I have the procedure, (almost) all the matierals -- and will either improvise a lab, or rent part of my school's lab for a short time.  I will be working on this whether anyone else joins me or not -- I simply hope I am not alone in this pursuit.  It is much easier to realize a working machine with multiple people shooting in the dark -- instead of just one.

I hope I can exchange contact information with anyone else who is interested in working with this idea.

Please contact me via email, or through "PM" at the Energeticforum -- My username is also "petar113507".

I hope to be working with some of you, in order to find the ways in which it CAN work, instead of the ways which we THINK it won't work.  I beleive that we must think in the LIGHT, to see the truth in the workings of nature.


Peace,
==Romo
« Last Edit: February 25, 2011, 08:34:25 PM by petar113507 »

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Offline The Power To Be

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2011, 08:07:05 PM »
You will not pursue this project any more here in this forum, or period?

Not your call, but ours?  Please explain!  I for one am waiting on supplies I have ordered to complete this project!  Now you say you are dropping it!  Thanks!
Your call some call it self learning,  some call it enlightenment, I call it Natural Conscious when you are mature.

You still can not see what I have been trying to say all along. The mind virus has been rooted deeply into the populace, and it only lives if there is a host.

Please continue, I will lend a hand where needed, but will not pursue calling upon you to take action. Everyone my find their way at their own pace. You are the creator, please do create.

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2011, 08:07:05 PM »
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Offline petar113507

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2011, 08:10:16 PM »
Anyway, the final decision always belongs to experimenters. My concern here is to warn those unconscious/unaware ones.

There are always risks.  I can see it may have been with good intent -- but sometimes I just don't want to hear it.  I'll take my chances with the risk.

A reason why power1 may have been frustrated with your questions, was that he is trying to get people to go ON board with this project, to spread the knowledge of this kind of working device.  When you tell people too much about the inherent risks (which, should have already been analyzed by the experimenter) -- it sounds discouraging.  Discouraging prospects of a new project, can be frustrating for an inventor/tinkerer -- especially when they're trying to get people to replicate the project.

I ask, if power1 comes back -- is there a way to re-word your speculative concerns, so that it may be seen as furthering the discussion/troubleshooting of the project, instead of sounding discouraging to new prospects?  I ask this out of courtesy, because it appears (to me, at least) that this type of frustration, and mis-understandings were the things which made the project "dropped" by him.  I wish to pursue this project -- and I sure could use some guidance -- I can't have that direct council if he's "out".

I mean no foul play.  I only seek to bridge the communication gap here.
Peace,
==Romo

Offline The Power To Be

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2011, 08:12:14 PM »
Great job Romo, you are well on your way. :)

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2011, 08:12:14 PM »
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Offline The Power To Be

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2011, 11:45:04 PM »
There is no defined path or short cut, everyone will have their own way, everyone is unique.

A little help for you first steps.

Work on you own, observe well, you have your own intellgence, Tesla was a loner so has been every other inventor that found good knowledge.

You can not cheat your way through Conscious, it may work in the lower realm that we all experience but it will only do more harm, be sincere.

Do not Believe, when someone has a Secret, run as fast as you can the other direction. Do not join groups or be fooled into being organized, you will be vulnerable to manipulation.

Stay away from the beaten path, you are the creator, create your own path, I did not learn a thing from these forums, conductyour own research, read old books. There was an interesting quote by Eric Dollard regarding the falsehood knowledge that is keeping everyone confused and lost.

There are sacrifices that you must make, when you are ready. Sentimental beings do not eat meat, find natural foods or grow your own, you are what you eat.

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2011, 05:17:44 PM »
 1st attempt at making crystals.  :-\

 It may save others from making the same mistake. I have no experience working with chemical or chem lab equipment.

The first problem i ran into was adjusting the temperature. This was much harder than expected.  I used water to dial in the Heater Stirrer. An hour latter i had the  test water at 138f with the stirrer on, so i referenced the dial.

First mistake, I underestimated vapors of the 30% Ammonium. (this is 10 time stronger than household stuff, but it seems 1000 times stronger) This stuff is a very serious chemical the vapors alone will burn your eyes. 
All I had to do was just pour it, and mixed some powder, then cover it. With the windows open, and exhaust fan on, this would be no problem, right? Wrong! It all had to go outside ASAP.
So now with the everything outside in a windy 55 degree environment my preset for the temp was way off and it took 40 minutes just to find 140 F. I continued the mix for 20 minutes more. (1 hour mixing instead 30 minutes)

 2nd mistake, I used a 1 litter pyrex bowl, The lid was a SS dog bowl with a rubber ring around the bottom. I fill the bowl with ice water to condensate the vapors. it worked in that it did condensate some of the vapors but the faster the stirrer was turned up the higher the pressure build and it did push the lid up and the ammonium did gas off a good bit. (this need to be kept in mind, the tighter the lid the higher the pressure could potentially get to high for the container. Caution needed)     

3rd the freezer is around 5F (not 32f) even when i turned it to its warmest setting.
(i had to leave and it stayed in the freezer 4 hours instead of 2)

I don't know if any of these mistakes render my crystals bad but i did learn what not to do. Hope this helps someone.



PS.  Like Altrez my nano-crystals look like powder sugar paste right now.   

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2011, 08:25:19 PM »
fishman,  thanks for posting that.  I am not quite ready yet to make the crystals but I had assumed it would be best to do outside.  Thanks for confirming that as 30% ammonia is VERY strong.  I've got a portable hot plate (single stove top type 120 volt coil) for cooking that should work well for that.  I'd suggest everyone keep it outside or extremely well ventilated.  I remember long ago my Mother saying she had to go to the hospital one time from inhaling to much ammonia just from cleaning in a small space and that was probably just the 3% stuff. 

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #25 on: February 26, 2011, 11:55:44 PM »
When you see how small these Nano cyrstals are something become's quite obvious. That is it looks as if i have put the cart before the horse.

The main thing that we need to complete this experiment is something to contain our nano crystals while in the water with the U Fogger.

Powerme AKA Power to be mentioned a
1. PEM envelope, (1-10 microns)
2. Tyvek mail envelope (which he ruled out)
3. Made mention of some type of material/envelopes inside car battery's 10 -30 microns

Has anyone found a source for ether 1 or 3???

He never mentioned the proximity these envelopes should be in relationship to the UF.

Im not clear on a few things.

1. Do the crystals (in their bag) have to be directly in the same bath with the UF?
Or does the water pick up some charge/___ just from coming in contact with the crystals?   

I don't imagine water would flow much though these bags.

Any opinions or ideas ?

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2011, 01:37:18 AM »
Guys I have found a source for nano particle size ZnO.  You can buy a 1 pound bag for $9.99 with free shipping.  I don't think we have to go to all this trouble and possibly danger to make our own.  Here is the link:

http://www.essentialdepot.com/servlet/the-103/Zinc-Oxide-Powder-ZnO/Detail

 Maybe this will save some effort and get us moving farther along.  I have some ordered and expect it in next week.  Does anyone know how much we actually need?  I don't recall Powerme saying how much we need.

Carroll

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2011, 02:22:07 AM »
Carroll
I believe you can find what you need in these Docs That user Slovenia at energetic asked to be brought here.

Best Way to Use Heat From HHO to Generate Electricity
http://www.scribd.com/doc/49274423/B...te-Electricity

Growing Crystals, Piezoelectric Energy Harvesting
http://www.scribd.com/doc/49274617/G...rgy-Harvesting

Magnets on Fuel Line Experiment
http://www.scribd.com/doc/49274519/M...ine-Experiment

Chet


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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2011, 02:22:18 AM »
cifta, that is a fine powder but not the crystals.  To make the crystals it has to be combined with ammonia by the process he has mentioned here and on energeticforum.  The crystals are what will help get some hydrogen out of the ultrasonic mist of water.

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Re: Practical Method for Production of Water Fuel with Piezoelectric
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2011, 10:39:18 PM »
I would like to thank you all for your continued efforts in this project. Sharing of your finding is great, but please continue to develop your own intelligence, see the result of others but only apply it if it makes sense to you. This process of self learning is no different from Pshycic development, where you are encouraged to connect with your own intelligence.

All of the answers are readily avaliable, look for it on your own way, there are many online forums, resources that will show you how to proceed with already known methods, read them, ask them questions, but only apply the Facts that makes sense to you.

I have been helped greatly from aborad, you can find tools to enable multiple-dialect communications, As long a you are sincere and understand that We are All Equal, others will be willing to share their findings with you openly and honestly.

These abilities will lead on to other great such as being able to self learn complex technologies in very little time that normally takes years to learn. You are the creator, allow your intelligence to grow and mature, enormous amounts of energy is around us, but you need the understanding to see your responsibilities.

Nature will only reveal herself to you and you only, everything is balanced, everything is ONE.


 

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