Today it seems the server needs to be hammering to load the web page...

Well first of all I woul like to manifest my sicenre appreciation to Wesley, Steve and the rest of members that made possible this device. And also my appreciaton for their generousity sharing the knowledges to the world before searching an economical benefit, somthing really altruist.

Thank you also for the schematics.

This forums gets in the hobby of crashing nowadays ??

Yep, all day sunday(for me till late nite) And last night for couple hours.  Today I got the Backup data base at lunch a few times, but then was ok.  Wasnt getttin the Backup screen sun or last nite. Just no OU. Pun intended. ;]

When it happens, it makes me think what did i miss? Did someone post the goods?

Maybe if there is going to be a Backup time, we could get an email or a notification post the day before. Cuz it sucks waiting and wondering.  Like today, I got the Backup page, but sometimes when backup is happening(especially at first) there is no Backup page, just nada.

Or maybe a calendar that shows a backup schedule.   ;]

Mags

wattsup,

where can I see some video, or schematics for this....there are soo many pages I get lost in all of this... is it in this thread, or?

Bender and all new seekers,  suggest that you begin reading at least from page 500 to present page.

YOU WANTED COMPLEX INFORMATION IN ONE PLACE ...SO THIS ONE IS LOOOOOOOONG BUT PROVIDING WITH MOST OF DETAILS THE REST WILL BE DONE BY ARUNAS
Note that steps of me and Arunas  differ a litle that is because of personal experience between  to of us. Do not disregard Arunas  notes ( post below my post) both approaches should give you desired effect

I will connect my questions with yours

WILL device work if 50hz and 386khz are NOT synced ?

IT WILL NOT.. THE FREQUENCIES ARE NOT ALWAYS THE SAME as properties of ferrite are not the same.
 I have got ferite cores  just few minutes ago... American made and  will attempt to check them out. I have 6 of them  two of them are different.. the ferrites are in different shape more cylindrical and just smaller.. I have paid $5  per one. plus $28 shipping charges.

Do not count on fixed frequencies..  The whole process is not that easy as it looks like..
1 . connect  50 winds  to Vector Network Analyzer output
2 . connect  (ekran) shield / cooper strip winding  to output.
3 .analyze  if you see pick on 1.2Mhz to 1.8 Mhz
4 .than connect  generator with square or  ramp at frequency of pick say 1.3 MHz to    (ekran) shield / coper strip
than tune it left right  to maximum amplitude of 50 winds ( OSCILLOSCOPE AT OUTPUT)
5. than read the frequency  and voltage on 50 winds ( OSCILLOSCOPE AT OUTPUT)
6. than connect generator to 50winds with frequency of readout
ALL OF THE STEPS SHOULD BE DONE  WITH ONE GENERATOR ONLY!!! AT THE TIME..

7. tune that generator to maximum voltage on bifilar output.( OSCILLOSCOPE AT OUTPUT + hv probe)
8. than connect second generator to 15 winds  at starting frequency of 50 Hz ,and tune it to maximum at bifilar
( OSCILLOSCOPE AT OUTPUT)
9.connect flyback to  (ekran) shield / coper strip winding and give one spark only
10. see the response on oscilloscope  and/or light bulb at bifilar output.
11. re tune circuit  with two generators readjustment//



method #2

instead of point 1.
connect generator  square to 50 winds
 and connect spectrum analyzer at  (ekran) shield / coper strip winding
look for  more than 1MHz pick..
than fallow the other   points of  instruction



ARUNAS:

5 minutes ago correction from Arunas:
quote"[4:47:10 PM] Arunas point # 3 ."analyze  if you see pick on 1.2Mhz to 1.8 Mhz" -> see where is peak on spectrum analizer when white noise is fed into copper plates"


[4:49:14 PM] Arunas point#: 5. than look for lowest harmonic resonant frequency  of 50 winds coil with highest amplitude ( OSCILLOSCOPE AT OUTPUT)

[4:51:00 PM] Arunaspoint#: 8. than connect second generator to 15 winds and tune it to maximum at bifilar
( OSCILLOSCOPE AT OUTPUT). It should be low frequency around 50Hz. Look for best match between 2 frequencies so low frequency will be carrier of 51 turns coil frequency(in our case it was 47 Hz)

[4:53:15 PM] point#: 9.connect flyback circuit with spark gap from our first experiment schematics to copper plates and tune variable capacitor attached to copper plates for maximum output.


[4:54:34 PM] Arunas Note: this most likely will heat up ferrite core and destroy it after 15-20 minutes

[5:00:47 PM] Arunas Note#2: Arunas -Note#2:"  -For impedance match you will probably need unwind secondary coil or wind more wire on it. The method determining that is: if you touch with one of secondary coil wires with finger or additional wire which would be as antenna and see more bright halogen, you need more turns on secondary. If halogen bulb brightness fades, you need less turns on secondary coil.



Note from Wesley:
if you have impedance meter  that  is capable  of choosing particular frequency and or display impedance at desired frequency (50 ohm between output of commercial generator.. than connected winding will be a load to the generator  in such way that after bifilar is connected with load than you measure impedance with
a- generator disconnected and impedance meter connected to 50winds winding than 15 winds winding NO POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO signal delivered!!!!!!!!!!!but light bulb connected!!

b- you can also try to take few meters or bundle of wire and instead of inactive test make test on load you either cut the wire  piece by piece or  play with  variable capacitor in series with the wire.. only one end of wire should be connected to say (15winds)(in my case16 wind winding)

Note#2 from Wesley:
that what Aidas called copper plates = what I called (ekran) shield / coper strip winding



Note#3 from Wesley
The confusion about impedance:
Explanation.

12.
electrical impedance is:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impedance
 -the ratio of the voltage phasor to the electric current phasor, a measure of the opposition to time-varying electric current in an electric circuit

Wave impedance is:
-, a constant related to electromagnetic wave propagation in a medium

Impedance of free space is:
-, a universal constant
Mechanical impedance is:,
- a measure of opposition to motion of a structure subjected to a force
( that might be important only for mechanical response of our ferrite to the frequency response in resonance ( hissing sound of ferrite)
or for copper wire vibration:
http://iopscience.iop.org/0022-3727/34/10/315
13. application
a. output impedance of regular commercially available generators is 50 Ohm
b. for impedance match each coil must have 50 ohm impedance
c. when impedance is matched that  capacitive Reactance and inductive Reactance may be uneven  and still you will have 50 ohm of  coil impedance;\
Say  in one scenario
- coil  has capacitive character and less inductive
in  another scenario
coil  has inductive character and less  capacitive inductive
 and  still will maintain 50 ohm impedance match..!!!!!!!!!!

when coil character ( LC network character) is capacitive in nature than  it represent higher voltage THAT IS WHAT WE NEED !!!!!!!!!


THIS PART IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THE ESSENCE OF HOW TO TUNE COIL.
-every coil is the load to the source.so
15 winds  coil is the load to  generator
50 winds is a load to second generator
but because the coils are coupled to bifilar than their impedance will change when bifilar is introduced and/or paper dividing two halves of ferrite ring
-every coil is RLC network to the feeding device( generator)
Even when not connected  to generators ...coils will have different impedance when load light bulb is connected to bifilar and not yet under power..
You will see that, when ready to use  ferrite ring with light bulb connected is examined and you connect  impedance meter to each of winding 15 or 50 ohm ( in my example 16 and 51)



PLEASE DO NOT SKIP THIS FEW LINKS  AND PLAY WITH CAPACITANCE AND INDUCTANCE IN INTERACTIVE GRAPHYou will understand capacitive  and inductive  dependencies while maintaining 50 ohm.
http://www.intmath.com/complex-numbers/9-impedance-phase-angle.php
go   in the midle of the page  to:
Click where it says "Start"
than play with sliders try to get maximum capacitance and minimum inductance
at 50 ohm and look how voltage and current  lag each other..





look at:25.1 Capacitance and inductance  http://www.lightandmatter.com/html_books/lm/ch25/ch25.html


Phase shift
http://www.intmath.com/trigonometric-graphs/3-graphs-sin-cos-phase-shift.php
go to :Flash Interactive
Play with it.




What we have  access energy from?
go to :http://www.sciencemag.org/content/315/5818/1553.abstract
The current-induced motion of magnetic domain walls confined to nanostructures is of interest for applications in magnetoelectronic devices in which the domain wall serves as the logic gate or memory element. The injection of spin-polarized current below a threshold value through a domain wall confined to a pinning potential results in its precessional motion within the potential well. We show that by using a short train of current pulses, whose length and spacing are tuned to this precession frequency, the domain wall's oscillations can be resonantly amplified. This makes possible the motion of domain walls with much reduced currents, more than five times smaller than in the absence of resonant amplification.
- for pulse density modulation affecting signal  go to :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pulse-density_modulation
We are dealing with pulses and pulse modulation as well a density.

for  phenomena in ferrites  go to:
http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/theses/public/etd-543273119623370/etd.pdf



-easy lecture: http://www.chemguide.co.uk/atoms/properties/atomorbs.html#top

- to more advanced who want to understand how copper  ring reacts:
http://www-ceam.ucsd.edu/documents/papers/Smith_PRL_84_4184_(2000)%5B1%5D.pdf
Composite Medium with Simultaneously Negative Permeability and Permittivity

- for these interested with understanding VNA and spectrum analysis easy to read
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:P5e_7I3IhAIJ:www.ieee.li/pdf/viewgraphs/receiver_v_sa.pdf+DSI+EMI+Test+Receiver+Model+RX-200+pdf&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESjvt8pzw1QgJQxwdgw4F6CA49r2qD0dXmPAJjX_ekiraGmFXlnbIlGLWpDAqE2urqzo3RnpMAFAiGWTQKE58ghHFx4qRU-N6graUB0MsKRtYV1Q02FaPyPAdEi3H2GVcI0Fp3r5&sig=AHIEtbQdcl2lXbt05S0EKdSBNDEgeAjY3g&pli=1

or
Network Analyzer Basics
http://cp.literature.agilent.com/litweb/pdf/5965-7917E.pdf


this is easy do not be discouraged
very important is to understand this material than less questions  I will have to answer
http://www.ece.utah.edu/~ece3300/Labs/lab1/APN1217-1.pdf
2.Basics of measuring the dielectric properties of materials
a.Resistivity
b.Dielectric constant
c.Permittivity
d.Permeability
e.Electromagnetic wave propagation
f.Dielectric mechanisms
g.Electronic and atomic polarization
h.Orientation polarization
i.Ionic conductivity
j.Interfacial or space charge polarization.

3.Measurement systems
a.High resistance meters
b.LCR meters and impedance LCR meters
c.Network analyzers A measurement of the reflection from and/or transmission through a material

Resonant transformers:
For more details on this topic, see Resonant inductive coupling.
A resonant transformer is a kind of leakage transformer. It uses the leakage inductance of its secondary windings in combination with external capacitors, to create one or more resonant circuits. Resonant transformers such as the Tesla coil can generate very high voltages, and are able to provide much higher current than electrostatic high-voltage generation machines such as the Van de Graaff generator.[52] One of the applications of the resonant transformer is for the CCFL inverter. Another application of the resonant transformer is to couple between stages of a superheterodyne receiver, where the selectivity of the receiver is provided by tuned transformers in the intermediate-frequency amplifiers.

For these who is not familiar with practical electronics:
http://web.hep.uiuc.edu/Home/sibert/NEETS/Mod14.pdf

this material is only for purpose of HOW TO BUILD  VARIABLE TUNING CAPACITOR HV?
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/bennetd.html
http://www.coe.ufrj.br/~acmq/svanberg.html

this is interesting material I have to get closer to it:
http://www.falstad.com/circuit/e-gyrator.html
it might be applicable . logic might be the simpler way to  create tun-able generators.

Simulating Electromagnetic Interactions in High
Power Density Converters look at  drawings
http://www.stefan-peter-weber.de/publikationen/pesc05.pdf

PERMANENT  MAGNET  AIR-CORED  TUBULAR  LINEAR
GENERATOR FOR MARINE ENERGY CONVERTERS
http://eprints.lancs.ac.uk/20104/1/getPDF.pdf
look at drawing and power factor notes.
Figure 5 :  Axial force verses position for constant current
Figure 7: Tubular Machine Translator !!
Figure  12: Comparison  of predicted  and experimental voltage
for a  17 Ohm load
9.  Conclusion



An Introduction to Barkhausen  +44 (0)1981 541122
Noise and its Applications
http://www.insight-ndt.com/papers/technical/t013.pdf
1.1.6 Irreversibility
With magnetic types of inspection and phenomenon there is an aspect that one
frequently encounters.  The aspect of irreversibility is displayed in a ferromagnetic
material’s inability to return to the original magnetic state.  In other words, once a
ferromagnetic material has been placed in a magnetic field and taken from the field,
there will remain in the material some amount of residual magnetism.  This
characteristic occurs on the order of the individual magnetic domains within a
material, thus causing a very unrepeatable transition when the magnetic field is changing within a material.


What night be happening to the ferrite:
Chapter 10: Phase Transformations in Metals
http://www.virginia.edu/bohr/mse209/chapter10.htm

Former Army secrets:
EVALUATION OF DEVELOPMENTAL  HIGH TEMPERATURE
PULSE FORMING  NETWORK,  Z-2922
MANUFACTURED  BY  SPRAGUE ELECTRIC COMPANY
NORTH ADAMS, MASSACHUSETTS
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=AD296129&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf

look at :
4.  Comparing the  standard AN/APS-45 pulse-forming network  in the modulator circuit with the  sample network  indicated that the parasitic
oscillation was present only in the  sample network.  Principally, parasitic oscillations result from impedance mismatches.  Many times these
mismatches  are  caused by stray  inductances and capacitances.  In this
particular  case where  the active volume of the network was  reduced by
the  incorporation of  the expansion  compartment, it  is possible that  the,,,,
(read  to the rest of it)


Radars have been modulated by spark gap:
Q-16. What is nonpulse time?
Q-17. What is average power in a pulsed system?
RADAR MODULATION
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:s-qkG0b98GsJ:www.tpub.com/content/neets/14184/css/14184_127.htm+pulse+forming+network+radar&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
RADAR MODULATION#2
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:j9gRgVj_CxMJ:www.tpub.com/neets/book12/49i.htm+pulse+forming+network+radar&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

This is how   pulse- forming network is made
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:wm4kGUKawVEJ:www.radartutorial.eu/08.transmitters/tx06.en.html+pulse+forming+network+radar&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Figure 3: charging currents path

PULSE FORMING NETWORK (PFN) FORMULAS
look at:Type A PFN and drawing below
http://www.nessengr.com/techdata/pfn/pfn.html

Practical explanation and advise to standing wave and terms used by ARUNAS
NODE AND ANTINODE
http://www.intuitor.com/resonance/standingEwaveDemo.html



Standing wave:
http://amasci.com/freenrg/audwall.html



Materials:
-take deflection yoke from old TV  the one that is on the CRT tube  take ferrite out of it by  puling gently snapping spring brackets out
-wire 18 gauge 50 winds in plastic insulation recommended
-wire 18 gauge 15 winds in plastic insulation recommended
-wire 18 gauge 150 winds x2 bifilar  (in plastic insulation recommended)
- HV transformer ( no diodes build in!!!!) make sure that in plastic coil there is no diodes molded and you have access to windings of transformer directly

deflection yoke and ferrite  cores for it:
everything about it
 http://www.oddmix.com/spec/mag_yk_e70954s.html
https://www.google.com/search?aq=f&gcx=w&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=Deflection+yoke+cores#q=Deflection+yoke+cores&hl=en&prmd=imvns&ei=9X-tTpPxPIrq0gGps4y7Dw&start=20&sa=N&fp=1&biw=1254&bih=869&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&cad=b

http://repairfaq.ece.drexel.edu/REPAIR/F_tvfaq6.html#TVFAQ_001
http://www.esuppliersindia.com/b-l-k-ferrites-pvt-ltd-/deflection-yoke-core-pr255703-sFP-swf.html
http://www.fdk.co.jp/laboratory/ce_hon-e.html
http://scitation.aip.org/getabs/servlet/GetabsServlet?prog=normal&id=DTPSDS000029000001000343000001&idtype=cvips&gifs=yes&ref=no
http://www.tradekorea.com/e-catalogue/youngjin87/product-detail/P00020917/Series%20For%20Deflection%20Yoke%20Core(ceramic).html#
http://www.chinadmegc.com/chinadmegc/english/web/about3_202.asp


Anything more in another book





Wesley

IN all this method I do NOT see any syncronisation method to get synced frequencies :

Definition : Two signals are  in sync if there is phase lock between them : one frequency is multipley by number of two to other frequency, for that usually PLL circuit is used.

Again I ask ,if I have two signal generators and put one frequency to "50 hz coil" and other frequency to "380 khz coil" (right frequency for exact ferrite coil) do those two frequencies need PLL (phase lock) or to be synced?

Thank You!

Each generator has feedback with 1 turn on coil and keeps own frequency no matter what changes inside of coil. This is where you get synchronization.
The 50Hz is approx frequency because obviously we need standard frequency out of coil. You can tune +/- few Hertz and see where this frequency starts carrying frequency from coil of 51 turns.

@Hope

Thanks for the vote of confidence but like I said before, if I put time on that then I will put less time on the bench and that is time I do not really want to put elsewhere. There are guys here that can really do a good job on this so we have to be patient.

@stivep

Did not absorb all your post yet.

@T-1000

I have been experimenting today with a yoke that I have not yet taken apart just to use the original yoke coils and inner butterfly like coils. I have y two frequency generators pulsing the internal butterfly coils while connecting the yoke coils to a dioded capacitor.

While both frequencies were in a non-productive range I took a magnet and put it in the center of the yoke and can now here coil whizzing around the 5000kz and less ranges. When I took the magnet out, it inadvertently slipped from my hand and by chance got stuck to the yoke core right where the two halves come together and all of a sudden my LED bank lit up.

So maybe try to put a magnet where the two halves come together or between the two halves you can use two magnets, one on each side and see if you can notice anything of increase output. You can see in the image below the magnet is on the left side of the yoke.

wattsup

    Wattsup:
   I don't know if you had seen this video, but for those who haven't, I thought that it would come in handy, at this time...
  The part where he is putting the magnet on the coil to raise the voltage to almost 500 volts from a single D cell is noteworthy, what would 12 volts do...
   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiW6Vp08tfI


   

Dear Wesley,

@stivep

I can replicate everything in this device except the ferromagnetic core :/

Can you help us learn more about the core with which you have success by making some basic measurements, that will allow us to infer its BH magnetization curve?

Once we have this magnetization data then we will be able to select cores that are as close to yours as possible.

Jezeli nie ma Pan doswiadczenia w wykonywaniu pomiaru krzywych BH obwodu magnetycznego, to chetnie pomoge. Wystarczy zwykly oscyloskop, generator oraz kilka zwojow na rdzeniu. Byloby cudownie jezeli przebiegi z Pana oscyloskopu moznaby zapisac w postaci cyfrowej, poniewaz wtedy moglbym zrobic integracje numeryczna na zewnetrznym komputerze i wyprowadzic krzywa BH tego rdzenia
.

Pozdrowienia z Wroclawia,
Robert

Bardzo przepraszam ale na dzisiaj juz mam dosyc ... ide na urlop  zobacz tam  u gory masz kompletna instrukcje i  literature to mi wzielo  pare ladnych  godzin...dodatkowe informacje sa na
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/9673-wesley-stivep1-video-high-voltage-frequency-ou-2.html#post165246 szukaj wypowiedzi T-1000 to jest Arunas z Angli
Nasza trojca to
Arunas Aidas i ja Wesley



Wesley