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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12737669 times)


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8266 on: November 05, 2011, 12:35:39 AM »
I would never buy that one it's crap it only goes up to 2Mhz is way too expensive and what grizly said.
You better take one DDS with the AD chip those go up to 60Mhz and you can make them dance.

Like these http://www.aliexpress.com/product-gs/498580207-EMS-Freeshipping-3pcs-lot-F209-AD9851-DDS-Signal-Generator-50MHz-DDS-source-SCM-DDS-module-wholesalers.html

OR take the much cheaper Arduino plug in board  :) smarties.


http://www.ebay.com/itm/5MHz-Signal-Generator-Counter-DDS-Function-Sweep-/260834008240?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbaeb1cb0


This is better, cheaper and you dont have to trouble about programming , u here have lcd display. etc

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8267 on: November 05, 2011, 12:41:10 AM »
a CD4046B  Phase Locked Loop will run up to 1.4 Mhz and cost about $1.20 that is my signal generator:) Can use prescaler to lock sync to 50Hz or thereabouts is NOT critical. Only the phase between the two signals are important once the critical sub harmonic NMR frequency around 380Khz has been found. A  square or pulse wave will suffice as we need to hit higher harmonics.

I think NE564 is better, but  principle is the same

NE564 and CD4046 can tune to voltage feedback, it is posible to use them to get maximum output voltage: they will very frequncy automaticly. closed loop pll


http://www.google.hr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=ne564%2Btesla&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CBkQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fusers.skynet.be%2FBillsPage%2FPLLTesla%2FPLLTesla.pdf&ei=QXi0ToS2OIPt-gbowbHQCQ&usg=AFQjCNE_rVfVOGFgPoREC6XDfDAJPvY0rw&sig2=mmxI4uyo0Amb_KMOSMN8Qg

This is NE564 tesla coil caluculation guide

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8267 on: November 05, 2011, 12:41:10 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8268 on: November 05, 2011, 01:56:18 AM »
NE564 and CD4046 can tune to voltage feedback, it is possible to use them to get maximum output voltage: they will vary frequency automatically. A closed loop PLL

I think the NE564 or CD4046 and some binary dividers such as CD4040, together with fast Power MOSFET transistors for the rectangular waveform output stages, is a cheap and an excellent idea for signal generators/oscillators. 

The only drawback of the above solution is that such signal generator requires more skills to build and use, compared to prebuilt signal generators with knobs and digital displays. This might be a serious obstacle for less skilled replicators.

However before we start generating signals by any method, we first must know which frequency is derived from which and what are the frequency ratios and phase relationships between them, if any !

From the inventor's descriptions so far, we can be reasonably sure that:
LF ~ 50Hz
HF/LF = a natural number
...or in other words LF is a subharmonic of HF

...and maybe we can also write that:
The 1 turn winding made out of the Braid (or Copper Tape) over 1/2 of the ferrite core's circumference, has certain RLC Resonance Frequency (a.k.a. Braid Ringing Frequency)  (BRF).
This BRF frequency is specific to the properties of the ferrite core as well as the air-gaps in the magnetic circuit (reluctance) and is influenced by the mutual inductance of all of the windings wound on that core as well as their inter-winding capacitance and any deliberately added capacitances, temperature and load.

...so maybe we can also state that:
BRF / HF  = a natural number, too.

In other words: HF must be a subharmonic of BRF.
...or in yet other words: BRF must be a natural multiple of HF.

Although we can reasonably guess the frequency relationships between the BRF, HF and LF, we are still left in the dark about their phase relationships  >:(

Also, we know nothing about the properties of the ferrite.
We don't know its precise dimensions,
- nor coercivity
- nor remanence
- nor BH curve
- nor permeability curve
- nor J/kg core loss
- nor frequency response
 etc... 

We don't even know what size of CRT that ferrite core came off of :/

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8269 on: November 05, 2011, 03:38:39 AM »
We don't even know what size of CRT that ferrite core came off of :/

It was used for TV display 61ЛКЗЦ - http://www.super-phantom.ru/arh/150/6/

Unfortunately, those are 25+ years old and no datasheets are widely available...

P.S> 61ЛКЗЦ = 61cm in diameter, 4:3 display with angle from cathode of 90 degrees. (other versions had 110^)
« Last Edit: November 05, 2011, 04:18:02 AM by T-1000 »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8270 on: November 05, 2011, 03:55:10 AM »

I would expect that it is workable with today's ferrite's also.

Regards...

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8271 on: November 05, 2011, 04:06:28 AM »
Hello Everyone,

For those who missed his earlier post, Wesley stated that he bought some ferrite cores from a supplier in the US and intends to wind and test the device using the cores he bought. If it works, he can pass along the supplier information to everyone so we won't need to hack apart old TVs for yoke coils.

Notwithstanding, I finally have prepared the yoke coil I have and will begin winding the coils on it soon.

The core I have was salvaged from an old Sony 32in TV and was already split into two halves with metal clips holding the halves together.

- Jason O

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8272 on: November 05, 2011, 04:17:17 AM »
You can try different TV yoke core and see if you get at least partial effect :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8273 on: November 05, 2011, 04:22:00 AM »
My first attempt now is using one from 14" ibm monitor. It is smaller and I will have to make a few assumptions with wire. First one is always a learning curve so my expectations are not high .  But they are being dumped everywhere due to lcd uptake.
Expect to make a few mistakes while you tool up .
I will post pictures and details if I get it ringing correctly

One thing I found very useful was the brown hi temp wax that is around the ferrite. It is extremely handy as hot glue for the new windings and does not hurt your soldering iron tip . Save it if you have some , its much better that hot glue.

I expect to do a lot of experimenting with wire lengths ferrite gap, load matching , sync circuits etc .
It might even turn out to be some kind of wire "mass" relationship ... too many questions. back to work!



Thanks again everyone we are on the right path


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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8273 on: November 05, 2011, 04:22:00 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8274 on: November 05, 2011, 06:11:17 AM »
Hi everyone,

I've been keeping up-to-date about this topic through Jason and I figured I would take a stab at it. (I have also been going through this topic and this site: http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/ when I have down time)

I will be building my replication alongside Jason and so, ours may look similar. The one difference between ours is that Jason's ferrite yoke is bigger since he got his from a 32" tv and I got mine from a 19" computer monitor.

I've included a picture of what my yoke looks like. Might be hard to tell from the picture but the height of ferrite yoke is closely equal to that of the height of the AA battery.

Hopefully everything goes well. I am not expecting to get the exact results that others are getting since I am pretty sure that I am using a smaller yoke. Still, hopefully, I will get results that fairly are reasonable given my smaller yoke.

Wish me luck! And good luck to everyone else!

Also, does anyone happen to know any good techniques in cleanly splitting a ferrite yoke in half?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8275 on: November 05, 2011, 07:11:26 AM »
When you guys test different deflection yokes, it will be clear answer to question - "is geometry crucial over here?"

In our experiment it was 90 degrees Russian deflection yoke. If it will work with different yokes or ferrite tube(just split into 2 parts as we did), it will be even better.. :)

Also, there is tip for Joule thief builders - http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/7051-joule-ringer-17.html#post164302
If you manage to get increasing ringing, you are on the right way!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8276 on: November 05, 2011, 07:13:34 AM »
Ferrite is like glass .
If you mark it carefully and use a dremel saw to scribe it ..it will break at the weak points ...with some luck .

If you decide to cut it entirely with the dremel make sure you make the scribes on both sides before cutting .


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« Reply #8277 on: November 05, 2011, 07:52:20 AM »

Sent you PM with other hints on tuning coils, just I cannot see my sent messages for some reason and wonder if there's problem with PMs.

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« Reply #8278 on: November 05, 2011, 07:59:10 AM »
@T-1000

I am expecting there to be differences on the results that I get since I have a different geometry. I will try to replicate what everyone else is doing to the best of my ability given the constraint of the different geometry that I am working with.

I'm thinking that I should use a lower gauge wire so that I can fit the same number of turns onto my yoke as described by Weasley on the freeenergylt site. Then again, it might be better if I go for having the same impedance so I may need less/more turns for the smaller gauge wire compared to the bigger gauge.

Still doing some pre-planning though. I would prefer to get a bigger yoke but hey, someone has to eventually try it with using a different geometry at some point. I guess I get to be the lab rat in this case :).

@Mannix

Ok, I will keep this in mind. Thanks for the tip

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« Reply #8279 on: November 05, 2011, 08:10:57 AM »

Still doing some pre-planning though. I would prefer to get a bigger yoke but hey, someone has to eventually try it with using a different geometry at some point. I guess I get to be the lab rat in this case :).


Sure, and in our case there are half-ring copper plates on smaller part of yoke: http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/pic2011-Oct-26_Wed_15-50-04_00006.jpg

The capacitor is connected to them and makes LC circuit matching ferrite resonant frequency which induce scalar wave impulses.

The secondary bifilar coil has capacitor and makes LC circuit which match to 50 turns coil frequency.

Time and experiments will show what is best.

Good luck for everyone who are building replications!

 

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