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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12789748 times)

Offline verpies

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8280 on: November 05, 2011, 08:54:16 AM »
It was used for TV display 61ЛКЗЦ

That is some concrete data.

The ferrite that the inventors are using came off of an old russian Cathode Ray Tube (CRT) whose part number is 61ЛКЗЦ (61LK3C).

This CRT was used in many of the old russian TVs (models: Elektron, Rubin, Foton, Gorizont).
The link below lists all of the TV models that contained this particular CRT:
http://www.super-phantom.ru/arh/150/6/

Hopefully, one can still obtain such old TV set and cannibalize the yoke ferrite off of it for detailed measurements.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8281 on: November 05, 2011, 09:43:33 AM »
Hi all!
It seems that this time the miracle did not happen ...
I asked myself - why the lamp radiates light?
With increasing temperature, the Planck function tends to the Maxim.
Electromagnetic radiation is a very small part of the total radiation spiral lamp. This radiation provides an inert gas glow in the lamp. Efficiency of the lamp is very small.
If the lamp 100W shines brighter lamp of 60W
it says that I am not mistaken.
We have created conditions for the glow of gas in the lamp more efficient way ...
I have seen "cold glow", spiral of lamp was dark.
IMHO efficiency of the device is less than 1.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2011, 10:19:22 AM by Jury1 »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8282 on: November 05, 2011, 09:50:27 AM »

The capacitor is connected to them (copper plates) and makes LC circuit matching ferrite resonant frequency which induce scalar wave impulses.

The plot thickens.

This is most likely a language barrier, but as stated it is ambiguous if:
1) ferrite resonant frequency (FRF) is an independent magnitude to which the LC circuit is tuned...or
2) the ferrite core constitutes an integral part of the LC circuit, which influences the lumped inductance (L) and thus the resonance frequency (a.k.a. ringing frequency) of 1/(LC)^0.5

Option 1 is unconventional in electronics because ferrites do not have resonant frequencies by themselves. They might have an NMR frequency but that is an extremely rare concept in conventional electronics.

Option 2 is conventional because as a combo, a ferrite with a winding on it, does have a lumped inductance and capacitance hence possessing a natural resonance frequency of 1/(LC)^0.5.

BTW: The capacitance (C) comes from the inter-winding capacitance and any deliberately added capacitors.

So which one is it?
If it's Option 1, then please provide a procedure for measuring the NM resonance frequency of the lone ferrite core (not caused by the L and C of the winding).

I would not be surprised if this device depended on unconventional phenomena, such as the oscillation of a lone ferrite caused by the simultaneous application of the magnetic (H) and electric field (E) sharp pulse from the Braid (or copper tape), to the ferrite. 
If so, then after such H & E stimulation, the ferrite should "ring" electromagnetically even without a closed Braid or any other winding over the ferrite.

Such unconventional influence of the E field pulse on ferrimagnetic materials, even causing a variation in magnetic permeability, has been documented by Konrad and Brudny in an article titled "An Improved Method for Virtual Air Gap Length Computation" in IEEE Transactions on Magnetics, Vol. 41, No. 10 from October 2005.
The above effect was very dependent on the composition of the ferrite!

All in all, these theoretical divagations as to the origin of the effect do not matter very much at this point, however the practical question whether the Braid Resonance frequency (BRF) is derived from the FRF or vice versa (e.g. Option 1 vs. Option 2), matters very much for the replication efforts.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8282 on: November 05, 2011, 09:50:27 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8283 on: November 05, 2011, 10:10:15 AM »

LF ~ 50Hz
HF/LF = a natural number
...or in other words LF is a subharmonic of HF


I actually DO NOT think so, because 380khz /50 hz is more than 7000 times... why would phase shift ration according to those two SO different frequencies have any effect ?



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« Reply #8284 on: November 05, 2011, 10:11:01 AM »
No it's not.
It's worse and expensive.

why ?

you have display, power supply and it is inside box with bnc connectors hmm?

And it generates enough high frequency for our needs

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8285 on: November 05, 2011, 10:13:10 AM »
It was used for TV display 61ЛКЗЦ - http://www.super-phantom.ru/arh/150/6/

Unfortunately, those are 25+ years old and no datasheets are widely available...

P.S> 61ЛКЗЦ = 61cm in diameter, 4:3 display with angle from cathode of 90 degrees. (other versions had 110^)

Have you tried to use ferrite core from newer TV ?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8286 on: November 05, 2011, 10:19:59 AM »
Sure, and in our case there are half-ring copper plates on smaller part of yoke: http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/pic2011-Oct-26_Wed_15-50-04_00006.jpg

The capacitor is connected to them and makes LC circuit matching ferrite resonant frequency which induce scalar wave impulses.

The secondary bifilar coil has capacitor and makes LC circuit which match to 50 turns coil frequency.

Time and experiments will show what is best.

Good luck for everyone who are building replications!

Whats the purpose of 50 hz coil than ?

What capacitor is connected to 50 hz coil and does it resonate with anything ?

Can device work WITHOUT 50 hz coil if HV spark gap and 380khz coil are used ?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8287 on: November 05, 2011, 10:24:03 AM »
Hi all!
It seems that this time the miracle did not happen ...
I asked myself - why the lamp radiates light?
With increasing temperature, the Planck function tends to the Maxim.
Electromagnetic radiation is a very small part of the total radiation spiral lamp. This radiation provides an inert gas glow in the lamp. Efficiency of the lamp is very small.
If the lamp 100W shines brighter lamp of 60W
it says that I am not mistaken.
We have created conditions for the glow of gas in the lamp more efficient way ...
I have seen "cold glow", spiral of lamp was dark.
IMHO efficiency of the device is less than 1.

LOL

you cant make wire light bulb be 100 TIMES more efficinet.

Guys, have you measured current and voltage across light bulb ?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8288 on: November 05, 2011, 11:06:16 AM »
Hy all,
I'm spokesmen of an italian "research" group,
until now we only follow the story to try to understand the system,
of course we're starting to replicate....sorry us for poor english.

Whats the purpose of 50 hz coil than ?

grizli, I think it's a carrying frequency...set to grid frequency, to have 220v AC on output.

-D-

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8288 on: November 05, 2011, 11:06:16 AM »
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8289 on: November 05, 2011, 11:32:56 AM »
I actually DO NOT think so, because 380khz /50 hz is more than 7000 times... why would phase shift ration according to those two SO different frequencies have any effect ?

Because if the phase shift is zero then every peak of the LF waveform is lined up with the HF waveform peaks for all LF cycles. As you probably know, this leads to constructive superposition of the waveforms.

We don't know yet if this is good or bad, it's possible that destructive superposition is needed instead?

Also, 380000Hz / 50Hz = 7600

...even the quotient did not come out as a natural number, it can be made so because the authors allow the LF to deviate a little from 50Hz in order to "carry the frequency"

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8290 on: November 05, 2011, 12:16:08 PM »
Hi all!
It seems that this time the miracle did not happen ...
I asked myself - why the lamp radiates light?
With increasing temperature, the Planck function tends to the Maxim.
Electromagnetic radiation is a very small part of the total radiation spiral lamp. This radiation provides an inert gas glow in the lamp. Efficiency of the lamp is very small.
If the lamp 100W shines brighter lamp of 60W
it says that I am not mistaken.
We have created conditions for the glow of gas in the lamp more efficient way ...
I have seen "cold glow", spiral of lamp was dark.
IMHO efficiency of the device is less than 1.
No.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8291 on: November 05, 2011, 12:40:36 PM »
Because if the phase shift is zero then every peak of the LF waveform is lined up with the HF waveform peaks for all LF cycles. As you probably know, this leads to constructive superposition of the waveforms.

We don't know yet if this is good or bad, it's possible that destructive superposition is needed instead?

Also, 380000Hz / 50Hz = 7600

...even the quotient did not come out as a natural number, it can be made so because the authors allow the LF to deviate a little from 50Hz in order to "carry the frequency"

BUT 50 hz is SO SLOW compared to 380 khz

When 50 hz is at peak. 380 khz will PASS at least 50 cycles.. , it would make sense when two freq are CLOSE   100 and 400 khz
but 50 hz and 400 khz really is too big difference




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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8292 on: November 05, 2011, 12:57:15 PM »
Yeah I assumed the 50Hz was used to get the frequency down to what we are used to in our homes. There's little to no significance to phase lock it with the HF signal imo I don't know what shifting the HF signal on the carying would change.

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« Reply #8293 on: November 05, 2011, 01:02:03 PM »
I am thinking in buy some Ferrite rings here, http://www.laboutiquedeliman.com/ferrita.html it seems they are not very expensive... But maybe the magnet form could be important? I think I will also try to get ferrite yoke to compare as there is an electronics recycling factory near my village.

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« Reply #8294 on: November 05, 2011, 01:08:17 PM »
Yes, 50Hz is much much less than 380kHz (exactly 7600 times less) and it's very possible that the phase difference between them just doesn't matter, but if it is the case then it must be explicitly spelled out by the inventors, e.g. "the phase between LF and HF does not matter for the OU effect".  It's just good science.

Instead we are given the following statements that imply the contrary:
- about 1 turn feedback windings (feedback is usually used to close control loops, e.g. PLLs)
- about adjusting the ~50Hz of the LF until the "frequency starts carrying frequency" which implies some definite phase relationship.

 

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