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Author Topic: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze  (Read 12634472 times)

Offline John M

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8250 on: November 04, 2011, 06:23:30 PM »
Did anyone try using a Ferrite ring from a magnet mount antenna base?
Also could someone for people like me give a quick run down on a replication that has been done and just how many on this group has been don?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8251 on: November 04, 2011, 06:24:27 PM »
Also, if the input signal for the 51-turn coil needs to be synchronized with the resonant frequency, one can use something called an Injection-locked Oscillator circuit.

These oscillator circuits are used to lock the oscillator to the frequency and phase of the coil's resonance.

One thing I am not clear about is if the ~380 kHz resonance represents the bulk LC resonance of the 51-turn coil itself (with the given core) or if this is specifically related to the some kind of nuclear resonance of the core material itself. *If* this is the 51-turn coil's natural resonant frequency with the particular core, it can easily be found by simply injecting a single pulse into the 15-turn coil and looking at the response (frequency of oscillation) of the 51-turn coil. I was thinking about this as I'm sure many people don't have access to a spectrum or impedance analyzer.

@Wesley & Arunas,

Can you comment on if the above method would be a valid alternative to identify the 51-turn coil's resonance?

Thank you,
Jason O

Injection-locked Oscillator produces sine wave, isn't? We work with square wave on higher frequency. So additional logical circuit needs to be there.

~380Hkz is lowest harmonics with highest amplitude for resonant point and we try to keep with lowest frequencies as possible due skin effect and EM radiation after. The natural resonant frequency is 1,66Mhz in our case - http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/1_spectr_analiz_ferit.jpg

What about this simple circuit ?

WHAT determines frequency here ? Because this circuit is SELF tuned !!
http://www.powerlabs.org/images/schematic1.gif

Maybe this can work directly with our core hmm

Blocking generators are good but not enough for resonant output of seciondary coil with SINE WAVE. They keep own frequency, but it is hard for them to work stable on needed resonant frequency or its harmonics. But we still use feedback for conventional generators so it keep sync on own frequency.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8252 on: November 04, 2011, 06:30:45 PM »

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8253 on: November 04, 2011, 06:35:38 PM »
Injection-locked Oscillator produces sine wave, isn't? We work with square wave on higher frequency. So additional logical circuit needs to be there.

~380Hkz is lowest harmonics with highest amplitude for resonant point and we try to keep with lowest frequencies as possible due skin effect and EM radiation after. The natural resonant frequency is 1,66Mhz in our case - http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/1_spectr_analiz_ferit.jpg

Blocking generators are good but not enough for resonant output of seciondary coil with SINE WAVE. They keep own frequency, but it is hard for them to work stable on needed resonant frequency or its harmonics. But we still use feedback for conventional generators so it keep sync on own frequency.

Sync,sync , sync :D

So tell me for correct operation do we NEED circuit that tune frequency to keep resonance automaticly .

Does circuit works without 50 hz signal ? can we rise that 50 hz signal to 100 hz or 1000 Hz , what will happened ?

Again what kind of feedback do you sue for "sync" ,and how do you define "sync", If you use CONSTANT frequency manually tuned signal generator, then WHY do you talk about "sync"

Please can anyone explain in more details STIVEP, T-1000  ??

Why then not using PLL (there is PLL Tesl coil SS schematics) circuit that WILL tune frequency automaticly so that OUTPUT voltage is at maximum !!!
Will circit that detects Maximum voltage at output load coil work here ?
STIVEP SAID:
7. tune that generator to maximum voltage on bifilar output.( OSCILLOSCOPE AT OUTPUT + hv probe)

TESLA PLL circuit will do this automaticly!!!

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8254 on: November 04, 2011, 06:39:19 PM »
This one I got today and it works excellent. It can be used as frequency meter too. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2MHz-DDS-Function-Signal-Generator-Source-Module-Wave-/250895654856?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6a8bdfc8

again this one has no sync opetion .. after all you need two generators 50hz 380 khz .. etc

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8255 on: November 04, 2011, 07:37:13 PM »
This one I got today and it works excellent. It can be used as frequency meter too. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2MHz-DDS-Function-Signal-Generator-Source-Module-Wave-/250895654856?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a6a8bdfc8

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5MHz-DDS-Function-Signal-Generator-Source-Module-Wave-/200608274325?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_HomeAudioHiFi_Amplifiers&hash=item2eb52f5795

Seems they're even better ones :) Ordered 2 of them for dual frequency generation and low voltage circuits. Still need to play around with mini-toroids and see if I get same effects we have on TV yoke ferrite.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8256 on: November 04, 2011, 08:02:01 PM »
I design radio scanning systems using the AD9851. The generators posted using an on board LCD looks good.
2 or the 5mhz might not be much, but with the on board controls and display, not bad.

John

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8257 on: November 04, 2011, 08:25:24 PM »
We use multiple wave forms. Sinusoidal generators are limited to single wave format. Also we do not want to use radio frequencies, so we are doing even on less than 1mhz. Ferrite resonance is less than 5mhz. And here it define what we need to get if no tools on table :)

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8258 on: November 04, 2011, 08:42:11 PM »
I run the AD9851 up to 60mhz output with no problems. Of course like T-1000 said we only need frequencies below 1mhz.

John

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8259 on: November 04, 2011, 09:04:40 PM »
a CD4046B  Phase Locked Loop will run up to 1.4 Mhz and cost about $1.20 that is my signal generator:) Can use prescaler to lock sync to 50Hz or thereabouts is NOT critical. Only the phase between the two signals are important once the critical sub harmonic NMR frequency around 380Khz has been found. A  square or pulse wave will suffice as we need to hit higher harmonics.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8260 on: November 04, 2011, 09:30:02 PM »
Bolt,

Sorry that I am not up to speed on this. Could you point me to a thread with a successful replication that would help. Also wouldn't a Joule Thief type circuit lock on to the resonant sub harmonic resonant frequency of the core?

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8261 on: November 04, 2011, 11:06:50 PM »
This is the long reply that was delayed over 12h because the forum database was down.

Why is feedback needed for keeping frequency? its quite opposite, feedback is usually needed when you tune frequency to something.

If you have signal generator and set one frequency it will stay the same for ever

I am still confused here ...

Indeed. I also do not know which one of the following generator configurations is meant by the  authors:

1) A signal generator forcefully driving a primary winding at a fixed independent frequency
2) The primary winding constituting an integral part in the generator's oscillator's circuit closed by the 1 turn feedback winding.
3) Two signal generators, blindly driving two primary windings at fixed frequencies (as in pt.1), are mutually locked in-phase with an aid of two separate 1 turn feedback windings.

In the beginning I thought the primaries were driven according to the scenario depicted in pt.1, since that scheme requires just 2 wires between one signal generator and one primary winding and that's what I had been seeing on the videos.
Also the following T-1000 statement seemed to support this scenario:

Each generator has feedback with 1 turn on coil and keeps own frequency no matter what changes inside of coil. This is where you get synchronization.

...but then I have  read that there are some 1 turn feedback windings, a la pt.2.
This would mean that the primary is not driven blindly by the signal generator and participates in determining the frequency of the oscillation. In this case the oscillation frequency is most likely a subharmonic of the natural resonance of the complex LRC circuit, f=1/(LC)^0.5, formed by the inductance of the primary winding, its distributed inter-winding capacitance and the mutual inductance of the other primary and secondary windings as well as their inter-winding capacitances with deliberate capacitances added in the form of physical capacitors.
This scheme would require at least 3 wires between one signal generator and a primary winding with the feedback winding and would have the desirable side effect of phase locking the two signal generators via the mutual inductance of the two primaries.

In the scenario of phase synchronization of two absolute signal generators described in pt.3, it should be mentioned that it can also be accomplished in other manner, such as supplying the arbitrary signal generators with a common digital clock source or dedicated phase-synch I/O built into the signal generators.

The following Terminator's (T-1000) words suggest that there indeed exists some kind of phase lock established between the Low Frequency (LF) primary winding and High Frequency (HF) primary winding:

The 50Hz is approx frequency because obviously we need standard frequency out of coil. You can tune +/- few Hertz and see where this frequency starts carrying frequency from coil of 51 turns.

Anyway, we replicators really must know if there is:
a) A phase-lock between the natural resonance waveform of the complex LRC circuit and the HF signal generator/oscillator.
b) A phase-lock between the natural resonance waveform of the complex LRC circuit and the LF signal generator/oscillator.
c) A phase lock between the HF and LF signal generators/oscillators, independent of pt.1 and pt.b
d) An integer frequency ratio between the HF and LF signal generators/oscillators, such that LO frequency < HF frequency.
e) An integer frequency ratio between the natural resonance frequency of the complex LRC  circuit and the frequency of the LF signal generator/oscillator, such that f=1/(LC)^0.5 > LF frequency
f) An integer frequency ratio between the natural resonance frequency of the complex LRC  circuit and the frequency of the HF signal generator/oscillator, such that f=1/(LC)^0.5 > HF frequency

It seems that the natural resonance frequency of the complex LRC circuit, f=1/(LC)^0.5, is the master waveform from which all the other waveforms are causaly derived.

If true, then this waveform relationship could be causaly and diagramatically depicted as

ComplexLRC.freq --> HF --> LF

meaning that:
HF is derived from ComplexLRC.freq and phase-locked to it.
LF is derived from HF and phase-locked to it.

where
ComplexLRC.freq > HF > LF

and
HF/LF = a natural number

and
ComplexLRC.freq / HF = a natural number

...only inventors or experimentation can confirm which of the above is true or false.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8262 on: November 04, 2011, 11:42:42 PM »
~380Hkz is lowest harmonics with highest amplitude for resonant point and we try to keep with lowest frequencies as possible due skin effect and EM radiation after. The natural resonant frequency is 1,66Mhz in our case - http://freeenergylt.narod2.ru/aidas/1_spectr_analiz_ferit.jpg

@Verpies,

I was actually going to ask a lot of the same questions as you but since you've already thoroughly outlined what I see also as the primary confusion with the syncing issue, I'll refrain from further comments until we here back from Wesley & T-1000.

With regard to frequency sources, I have a custom-build Dual DDS function generator board with two independent 20 MHz output channels. This is connected to a microcontroller and gives me complete control over the phase and frequency of both outputs. The device can output both sine and square signals for testing. Once we have a more clear view of the input drive requirements, I'll be able to come up with a more definitely input driver design (either with my existing system or a custom-build one for this device).

- Jason O

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8263 on: November 05, 2011, 12:11:36 AM »
This might help as a 51 turn circuit or just to show how filtering the reference signal is used on the input to create a sync pulse for the oscillator which may be running at a slightly different frequency, or even a completely differnt one  . It is all about finding the right phase lock as far as i can tell. Yep lots of work to do! Sorry about the valve but the fast phase response my be very important. SM said it was critical for his device.
Many peope will not have access to a specrtum analyser . I am hopefull that a method will be developed as we build and experiment to eliminate the need.

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Re: Selfrunning Free Energy devices up to 5 KW from Tariel Kapanadze
« Reply #8264 on: November 05, 2011, 12:15:32 AM »
Ok, here is some food for theoretics :)

http://home.dmv.com/~tbastian/ball.htm

"...it became apparent that the fireballs resulted form the interaction of two frequencies, a stray higher frequency wave imposed on the lower frequency oscillations of the main circuit....
This condition acts as a trigger which may cause the total energy of the powerful longer wave to be discharged in a infinitesimally small interval of time and the proportionately tremendously great rate of energy movement which cannot confine itself to the metal circuit and is released into surrounding space with inconceivable violence. It is but a step, from the learning how a high frequency current can explosively discharge a lower frequency current, to using the principle to design a system in which these explosions can be produced by intent."   -N. Tesla

So, instead of making ball lightning, we're about to use this energy for our electrical circuits ... :)

 

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