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Author Topic: First electrical power output from a Pyramid  (Read 429920 times)

Offline hartiberlin

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #135 on: November 20, 2007, 06:23:40 AM »
Hi Thomas,
I can surely help translating stuff into English
when I get the time to do it.

I now had a look at your Text of the V6 version

http://www.trawoeger-pyramide.info/project/index.html

and I see:
copperpipe, saltwater, sand and graphite.

This gives an galvanic cell and can produce around
1Volts DC voltage with a few milliamps.

So how much voltage and current do you get with your pyramid ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #135 on: November 20, 2007, 06:23:40 AM »

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #136 on: November 20, 2007, 07:28:17 AM »
Mr Trawoeger....
Compliments for the choose to share your findings with people..
I'm happy to verify that you are a good person.


I can see your drawings and to me it resemble a sort of fluxgate magnetometer.
See its working at:http://www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/ES304/MODULES/MAG/NOTES/fluxgate.html

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #137 on: November 20, 2007, 08:02:43 AM »
Hallo Stefan (Sorry for the german Text, but I?m a little busy)

Zun?chst darf ich auch zu Dir mal herzlich "Hallo" sagen. Du bist mir ja schon mal vor Jahren im Web begegnet.

Nun, die V6 war eigentlich die erste wirklich brauchbare Pyramide, und liefert ca. 8-9 Volt bzw. bei guten Bedingungen knapp 10 Watt. ganz wichtig an der Sache ist, dass die Grafitelektroden nicht im Salzwasser stehen. (Wenn zu viel Wasser drin ist gibts 0 Leistung)
Ich dachte zuerst auch, dass es besser w?re, wenn die Innenzelle mit Salzwasser voll ist, aber erst nach den beiden Bohrungen fing das Ding langsam an zu laufen.

Ich habe bereits einige Mails erhalten, wo denn hier nun die Magneten abgeblieben sind :-)
(Im Video hat der Magnet eine gro?e Rolle gespielt)

Nun, die war eigentlich eine damals n?tige R?ckversicherung gegen unseren damaligen Klagsgegner aus der Schweiz.
(Vielleicht erinnern sich die alten Hasen hier, dass mir damals ein Schweizer per einstw. Verf?gung die Pr?sentation der Pyramide verbieten wollte.)
Naja, und es hat ja auch gut funktioniert, da sogar Herr Nagel in seinem Fake den Magneten benutzte :-)
(So war immer sofort klar, ob jemand etwas ernstzunehmendes gebaut hat, oder einfach nur aufsehen erregen wollte)

Wir beginnen nun im Internet (ich hoffe, dass wir in der ersten Dezemberwoche anfangen k?nnen) eine neue Pyramide zu bauen, und ich lade alle Leute aus der ganzen Welt dazu ein, mit mir gemeinsam zu arbeiten.

Die V14 wird ca. 19 Volt bringen, und sollte zwischen 22-25 Watt abgeben k?nnen.
(Ich wei?, das sit nicht die Welt, aber ich will das Ding ja nicht alzu gro? machen, da es noch durch T?ren passsen soll)

Ich m?chte dazu auch ein paar wirklich ?ber jeden Zweifel erhabene Leute einladen, das ganze Projekt zu monitoren.

Ich gehe jetzt davon aus, dass wir Anfang Dezember ca. 100 Bastler weltweit sein werden, und habe mir auch schon einen kleinen (ideellen) Preis f?r den ersten Leistungsnachweis einfallen lassen.

Wenn diese Pyramiden dann hoffentlich alle laufen, werden wir uns ganz gem?tlich dar?ber Gedanken machen, wo diese Energie wirklich herkommt.

?brigens wurde ja auch schon Kritik ?ber meine Website laut. Keine Angst, der Server ist Sicher, und durch ein Netzwerk an Mirrors gut gesch?tzt. Die Bandbreite ist den Umst?nden entsprechend ausreichend, so dass wir auch gr??ere Videos auflegen k?nnen.

ich m?chte hier auch gleich die ersten Einladungen f?r eine interne Mitarbeit aussprechen:
Herr Pese, in Ihrem Fall w?rde ich mich wirklich freuen, wenn Sie zumindest virtuell in unser Team stossen, da ich Sie nun mittlerweile zwar schon sehr lange lesend kenne, aber Ihre aufrichtige und menschliche art sehr sch?tze.

Herr Hartmann Nun, bei Ihnen liegt der Fall ja wirklich klar, und m?glicherweise kann es im deutschsprachigen Raum niemand besseren geben. Sie sind f?r mich der objektive, sachliche und menschliche Ruhepol vieler deabatten hier im Netz.

(Ich werde mich mit Ihnen nat?rlich noch gesondert in verbindung setzen)

Des Weiteren stehe ich noch jemanden von Secret.tv im Wort, und werde ?ber die verantwortlichen dort ein altes Versprechen einl?sen. Hier geht es darum, einen kleinen Film ?ber die Pyramide zu drehen.

Die weiteren Crew-Mitglieder habe ich bereits im Auge, und werde mich zur gegebenen Zeit ?ffentlich an diese wenden.

Wir ben?tigen nat?rlich zwingend gute ?bersetzer von D nach E

lg, Thomas





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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #137 on: November 20, 2007, 08:02:43 AM »
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #138 on: November 20, 2007, 08:33:22 AM »
@Thomas

Sehr geehrter Herr Traw?ger,
ich bedanke mich f?r diese "Extra-Einladung"
und hoffe hier auch zur Entwicklung theoretisch
wie praktisch "hinzuf?gen" zu k?nnen.
 Gustav Pese
« Last Edit: November 20, 2007, 04:07:53 PM by pese »

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« Reply #139 on: November 20, 2007, 12:05:26 PM »
Hi Thomas,
1. Should us have also the electric circuit , please?
Due to the fact that many of us dobn't understand german, it's far more easy to take a look at circuit.
2. Then, another important point for us and for you ( again regarding V6):
Coyuld you be so kind as to indicate us those details that are important and to separe them from the others non-important.
Example of Non-important details: Maybe the height of pyramid, or maybe the diameter of Carbon rods,"und so weiter"
We talk about V6, just posted.
3. Regarding your english:
I'm not english , but I understand perfectly your English.
I hope others our Overunity friends think in the same manner on this.
We'd like you keeping speak your still good and "understandable " English.
Thanks in advance,
Phys.Dr. Ovidiu Petria
(Italy)

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« Reply #139 on: November 20, 2007, 12:05:26 PM »
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #140 on: November 20, 2007, 01:33:42 PM »
Hallo Thomas,

ich finde es Klasse das du nun doch deine Informationen im Netz bereitstellst. Hochachtung hierf?r, da du es ja nicht leicht hattest, nach allem was ich gelesen habe.

Ich werde mal meine Homepage anpassen, da die Informationen zu deiner Erfindung nicht mehr aktuell sind :)

Auch wenn ich gerade am Jarckdevice arbeite, hoffe ich die Zeit zu finden mit deinen Angaben auch eine Pyramide nachbauen zu k?nnen.

Gr??e, freecell

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #141 on: November 20, 2007, 02:31:05 PM »
Hi Thomas,
1. Should us have also the electric circuit , please?
Due to the fact that many of us dobn't understand german, it's far more easy to take a look at circuit.
2. Then, another important point for us and for you ( again regarding V6):
Coyuld you be so kind as to indicate us those details that are important and to separe them from the others non-important.
Example of Non-important details: Maybe the height of pyramid, or maybe the diameter of Carbon rods,"und so weiter"
We talk about V6, just posted.
3. Regarding your english:
I'm not english , but I understand perfectly your English.
I hope others our Overunity friends think in the same manner on this.
We'd like you keeping speak your still good and "understandable " English.
Thanks in advance,
Phys.Dr. Ovidiu Petria
(Italy)

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #142 on: November 20, 2007, 02:36:08 PM »
Anyone here expert of German linguage,is so gentle to post a readable translation of the plans of the pyramid?.In english,of course.
Thank you.

Regards,
Pegasus

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #143 on: November 20, 2007, 03:04:33 PM »
Hy Guys,
In order to not disturb many times Thomas :
1. Did someone knows to post here the circuit of the Thomas's experiment, please? I'm ready to start but missing some pieces of puzzle...
2. Again about "our German language" knowledges :
I tried to translate using the best of internet on line dictionary: www.babylon.com ( it is downloadable for free for 7 days).
Conclusion: Even if I had some basic knowledge of german, I didn't manage to understand many important points ( from a language point of view) . Again, I didn't understand ( maybe due to my poor "German") what's the circuit diagram of the experimental setup.
3. Important technical points:
    A. What about the MAGNET ? The drawing didn't mention about it . Where   and how to support it? What kind of magnet? Everyone can be usefull?
    B. The capacitor is "closed in a cage"?
    C. The setup posted on Thomas's  new website is not identical to that showed in the famous video.
   4. Concerning points:
When replicating , we have to know ( and i repeat again) : What are those important details to take account on and what are those not very important as : size, dimensions, materials, and so on...
Just curious: What version was showed in that much-talked -about video?
    Thanks,
Ovidiu Petria
(Italy)

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #143 on: November 20, 2007, 03:04:33 PM »
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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #144 on: November 20, 2007, 03:48:59 PM »
Hy Guys,
In order to not disturb many times Thomas :
1. Did someone knows to post here the circuit of the Thomas's experiment, please? I'm ready to start but missing some pieces of puzzle...
2. Again about "our German language" knowledges :
I tried to translate using the best of internet on line dictionary: www.babylon.com ( it is downloadable for free for 7 days).
Conclusion: Even if I had some basic knowledge of german, I didn't manage to understand many important points ( from a language point of view) . Again, I didn't understand ( maybe due to my poor "German") what's the circuit diagram of the experimental setup.
3. Important technical points:
    A. What about the MAGNET ? The drawing didn't mention about it . Where   and how to support it? What kind of magnet? Everyone can be usefull?
    B. The capacitor is "closed in a cage"?
    C. The setup posted on Thomas's  new website is not identical to that showed in the famous video.
   4. Concerning points:
When replicating , we have to know ( and i repeat again) : What are those important details to take account on and what are those not very important as : size, dimensions, materials, and so on...
Just curious: What version was showed in that much-talked -about video?
    Thanks,
Ovidiu Petria
(Italy)



Tigrotto,

Thomas states in his last post on this thread, the one in German:
"
Ich habe bereits einige Mails erhalten, wo denn hier nun die Magneten abgeblieben sind :-)
(Im Video hat der Magnet eine gro?e Rolle gespielt)

Nun, die war eigentlich eine damals n?tige R?ckversicherung gegen unseren damaligen Klagsgegner aus der Schweiz.
(Vielleicht erinnern sich die alten Hasen hier, dass mir damals ein Schweizer per einstw. Verf?gung die Pr?sentation der Pyramide verbieten wollte.)
Naja, und es hat ja auch gut funktioniert, da sogar Herr Nagel in seinem Fake den Magneten benutzte :-)
(So war immer sofort klar, ob jemand etwas ernstzunehmendes gebaut hat, oder einfach nur aufsehen erregen wollte)
"


He is saying here that other people have recently just asked him, like you, where is the magnet and what about it?

So, Thomas says in German there that the magnet isn't needed for a working device and the magnet was only included as a rouse (a way to trick fakers and liers). He says above that by making it look like the magnet was needed in the video, he could instantly tell if later on someone was faking this device and technology, because a magnet IS NOT NEEDED. He also states that this plan worked and Mr. Nagel showed a magnet in his pyramid, which instantly showed Thomas that he was faking his technology.

Quite a genius move Thomas!


And Tigrotto, Thomas said that he will release all the further details in the next coming days, he just wanted to release that Plan v6 as soon as possible so as to secure his safety. Plus, the Plan v6 pyramid is a different one than the famous video, a variant of that video pyramid.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #145 on: November 20, 2007, 04:04:36 PM »
ummm now this could be interesting :)

Look forward to seeing what else comes along

Cheers

Sean.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #145 on: November 20, 2007, 04:04:36 PM »
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« Reply #146 on: November 20, 2007, 06:16:03 PM »
Hello all.
First I want to thank you for your interest and help. I am a little busy in my Job, so i can look here only in the morning, sometimes at high noon, and most on the evening.
I want to please you, to read my website carefully (specially the Rules!)

Its not allowed to post any informations in other medias. I don?t want to post in other forums, and i don?t want to diskuss with anybody in my working time. So you would do a great job, to stop swap informations about this Project in private Websites, other Forums and everywhere else.
Today i got 94 Mails! only with questions and offers. Please understand, that i can?t answer them, because i don?t have the time to do this.
It?s not possible to register in my Forum at this time, because there is no content inside, and the software is not applicated to the mirrors.
I will start the Forum Saturday or Sunday, and i have to kick all registered users, because they are not included in the Database now.
(We have more than 20 User to kick, and this is only work for nothing.)

On thge other side i had 12 Phonecalls with very clever users, wich asked me for Material-Lists, Schematics and other stupid things.
Please let me do my Job. (If i will not get rich with the Pyramides, I have to earn Money with my work :-)

To call me via Phone is only useless, and i will not communicate with these guys in future.
(This is only allowed for personally invited persons)

I got information from New Zealand. A User of this website constructed the inner part of my V6 with a output of 4,22 Volts.
(Sorry, that i can?t speak with you a full hour, because i have to work here, and i am not the personal Trainer of anybody here!)

In private Mails i got some real bad Messages, because we communicate here in English.
To all these Guys: I?m not very proud of my Nation. If you can?t speak english, learn it. I will not do the whole shit twice for your Service.

So, now i feel better :-)

You can help me to keep the Head free. Stay silent, read carefully and ask only things wich are really necessary.

(Some Guy asked me for a special machine for Welding my Pyramide. Sorry, but i am not a distibutor of Tools and Machines:-)

I hope, that anybody here can translate the schematics and my Plan (V6) It would be easier for the Community, and it would decrease my POP-Account :-)
Nice greetings
Tom.



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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #147 on: November 20, 2007, 06:46:33 PM »
I would like to re-iterate one time for all the folks reading this:

1. Don't try to call Thomas on his phone, he will give you nothing and you only trouble him by doing so.

2. Don't private message PM and don't send unsolicited emails to Thomas.

3. Wait for the forum to be up and wait for Thomas to tell us it is ok to register, he already told you all this.

4. If you have questions about Plan v6 or something like this, WAIT until Thomas officially opens the forum and announces such, then you can discuss such things there.

5. The chosen language for this whole project of Thomas's is ENGLISH, so, deal with it any way you can.

6. Leave Thomas alone and let him build the project's infrastructure and get everything ready.


Follow the above guidelines and it will be that much quicker that you can build your own TPP. The longer that you folks keep doing any of the above things, the more burden you put on Thomas and the longer it takes for all to have TPPs.


Peace.

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #148 on: November 20, 2007, 07:10:07 PM »
WOW!!

I've been away for a day and it feels like it's been more like a week or two!! Lots happening which is great to see!!

I must say that it concerns me that Thomas is already getting harrassed by some who do not know how to or have no concept of keeping to the rules that Thomas asked for all of us to maintain. I hope this will not continue, as it brings the rest of us in to disrepute!!

I for one will patiently await until the forum is opened by Thomas!!

And once again I find myself wholeheartedly agreeing with TAO, let the man be until he finishes everything!! Put yourself in his shoes. Would you want to be harrassed like this? I'm sure you wouldn't, just as he sure doesn't. So, please, a little bit of patience!! Are we not civilised here??

Regards,

Mike

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Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
« Reply #149 on: November 20, 2007, 08:01:04 PM »

He is saying here that other people have recently just asked him, like you, where is the magnet and what about it?

So, Thomas says in German there that the magnet isn't needed for a working device and the magnet was only included as a rouse (a way to trick fakers and liers). He says above that by making it look like the magnet was needed in the video, he could instantly tell if later on someone was faking this device and technology, because a magnet IS NOT NEEDED. He also states that this plan worked and Mr. Nagel showed a magnet in his pyramid, which instantly showed Thomas that he was faking his technology.

Quite a genius move Thomas!


And Tigrotto, Thomas said that he will release all the further details in the next coming days, he just wanted to release that Plan v6 as soon as possible so as to secure his safety. Plus, the Plan v6 pyramid is a different one than the famous video, a variant of that video pyramid.

Hi Tao, very good translation
and very genious move of Mr. Traw?ger to have no function for the magnet to see some other fakers   ;D

Well, he said, that the Version V6 produces 8 to 9 Volts and around 10 Watts.

Today the website is currently down, so I can not see again the details
and I did not save it.
He probably just works in this moment with it and has taken it down.
Well, he says, that it is important that the graphite rod is not totally embedded into the saltwater,
then the power goes down to zero...

But I guess it is some kind of galvanic action to stimulate the real power
extraction as normally a galvanic cell from copper and graphite produces only
around 0.7 to 1 Volts and only milliamps,so only power outputs in the 10 to 100 Milliwatts range
at maximum.

Just let us be patient and wait until Mr. Traw?ger has set it up all.
We have now waited about 2 years, now a few days do not matter..

Many thanks Mr. Traw?ger to comeforward now.

Regards, Stefan.

 

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