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Title: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on January 18, 2006, 11:32:45 PM
Here is a documentation video of a pyramid delivering a few Watts
of power via a special magnet- copper-capacitor-coil
converter in the center of the pyramid !
Very interesting and a breakthrough technology !

http://www.trt-biopower.at/downloads/pyramide.asf (http://www.trt-biopower.at/downloads/pyramide.asf)

 - about 43 MB

found in
http://www.trt-biopower.at/ (http://www.trt-biopower.at/)

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: ooandioo on January 19, 2006, 11:24:15 AM
Really interesting - an amazing breakthrough!!!
The autor should create a detailed drawing, also from the magnet-cap-coil converter.

--Andi
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: macelyne on January 20, 2006, 08:34:46 PM
Hello,

Don't know wether this is a fake or not,
but Traw?ger promised to publish the plans until the end of january,
when a so called team of neutral experts from SIEMENS have finished
their tests. Siemens is big industrial company, for those who don't know it.
That doesn't sound good to me...

Anyway, he also said somewhere else that he wants to translate his
website into english.

But until then I can give you some additional pictures
I found on another forum ( message board ? ) if I manage to post them here.( first time )

I also began to to reconstruct the plan from it, but there still remain unanswered questions.
It seems to me, that he uses rather unusual connections between the elements of the capacitor.

In my own drawing I left open some parts of it,
maybe someone else of you is able to fill the gaps...

Please let me know what you find out !
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: macelyne on January 20, 2006, 08:37:16 PM
Picture 1/3
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Post by: macelyne on January 20, 2006, 08:39:29 PM
Picture 2/3
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Post by: macelyne on January 20, 2006, 08:42:21 PM
Picture 3/3
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on January 21, 2006, 03:53:46 PM
Here is a reply I got today from the inventor Thomas Traw?ger:


Hallo Herr Hartmann
Herzlichen dank f?r Ihr Interesse an unserer Pyramide.
Ich habe schon in mehreren Foren darum um Entschuldigung gebeten, dass durch
mein antiquiertes Multimeter der Eindruck entstand, dass in die Pyramide
Strom eingespeist wird. Tats?chlich braucht es nat?rlich absolut keine
Einleitung jeglicher Spannung, um die Pyramide "hochzufahren" Wir verwenden
f?r diese Initialisierung lediglich einen kleinen Magneten, und regen damit
die Spule zum "Einschwingen" an.
Selbstverst?ndlich wurde auch mein altes Multimeter bereits von kritischen
Fachleuten dahingehend untersucht, dass eben wirklich keine Spannung
"eingeschleust" wird.
Im ?brigen habe ich mittlerweile sehr gute Messger?te als Leihgabe erhalten,
und mein neues Video (kommt in wenigen Tagen) zeigt dann deutlich mehr :-)

Fraglich ist derzeit nur, woher diese Energie stammt. Ich bin hier auf mehr
oder weniger skurrile Vorschl?ge angewiesen. Derzeit geht aber meine
Forschungsarbeit eher in die Verbesserung der Leistung, als in die
Ursachenforschung :-)

Wenn alles gut geht, wird unsere HP gegen ende J?nner endlich fertig, und
Sie k?nnen anhand unserer Baupl?ne den Versuch jederzeit, und mit
einfachsten Mitteln nachvollziehen.
Bis dahin liebe Gr?sse
Thomas Traw?ger

-----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Stefan Hartmann [mailto:harti@harti.com]
Gesendet: Freitag, 20. Januar 2006 14:16
An: office@trt-biopower.at
Betreff: Pyramiden-Energie...
Wichtigkeit: Hoch

Hallo,
sehr interessant Ihr Video und die Bilder.
Ich h?tte es allerdings auch besser gefunden, wenn Sie vielleicht, wenn Sie
da irgendwie eine Gleichspannung brauchen, um einen
Arbeitspunkt einzustellen, den vielleicht lieber mit einer 9 Volt Batterie
und Spannungsteiler-Widerst?nden gemacht h?tten.
 Dann dadurch gezeigt h?tten, dass die Last ( z.B. besser mal eine Lampe
nehmen, dass man mehr sieht) nicht aus dem Netzteil
gespeist wird...
Brauchen Sie denn da diese 8,4 Volt um einen Arbeitspunkt einzustellen oder
wozu haben Sie ?berhaupt das Netzteil
angeschlossen ? Oder ist es wirklich nur ein Voltmeter, dass ?ber einen
Shunt einen Spannungsabfall von 8.4 Volt anzeigt ?

Vielleicht k?nnen Sie Ihre neuen Erkenntnisse ja auch in meinen Forum unter:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.0.html

mal weiter diskutieren.
Vielen Dank.
P.S: Warte schon sehnlichst auf die Bauanleitung.
Viel Erfolg !
Kann man Sie auch mal anrufen ?
Danke.

Gruss, Stefan Hartmann.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: IcyBlue on January 21, 2006, 04:11:26 PM
Hallo,
passt zwar nicht 100% hier her, aber da gibt es noch welche, die behaupten Energie mit Hilfe von Pyramiden zu erzeugen. Allerdings macht mich die Art, wie sie diese Informationen verbreiten, doch eher skeptisch - auch wenn der preis sicher kein diskussionsgrund w?re - aber die erhebung der pers?nlichen daten macht mich vorsichtig.

http://www.graviflight.de/body_index.html
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on January 21, 2006, 09:04:26 PM
The other group wrote:

Wie schon  bekannt, bestehen die drei grossen ?gyptischen Pyramiden aus Granit und Kalkstein. Besonders die inneren und die unteren Lagen bestehen aus Granit.

Granit ist ein Stein der 15-40 % Quarz hat und der weisst bekanntlich den Piezo-Effekt auf: wenn er stark gepresst wird, entstehen Elektronen, die in irgendeiner Weise genutzt werden k?nnen.

Man kennt dass die grosse Pyramide etwa 6,5 Millionen Tonnen wiegt, also sind die Granitbl?cke im Inneren der Pyramide einem enormen Druck ausgesetzt. Der Piezo-Effekt entsteht in gewaltigem Ausma? !!! Und, da die W?nde in den R?umen der grossen Pyramide absolut frei sind, ohne Hieroglyphen oder Skulpturen, kann man sich vorstellen dass sie urspr?nglich einer technischen Anwendung gewidmet waren - vielleicht waren sie mit Metallplatten bedeckt um Elektronen, produziert wegen dem Piezo-Effekt, zu sammeln und irgendwie zu nutzen...? (Die Platten h?tten ja sp?ter in der Geschichte, die R?uber gestohlen haben...) Nat?rlich k?nnen die Pyramiden mehrere Zwecke erf?llt haben, die vermeintliche Stromerzeugung h?tte nur einer dieser Zwecke sein k?nnen...

So kammen wir auf die Idee, etwas ?hnliches zu bauen um die Enstehung der elektrischen Spannung zu beweisen.

Um Druck auf unsere kleinen Granitst?cke zu erzeugen, haben wir sie mit einer Metallplatte gepresst!

Um sicher zu gehen dass die Spannung nicht aus umgebenden EM-Wellen kommt, also die Pyramide nicht wie eine Antenne funktioniert, haben wir die Pyramide mit Alufolie bedeckt und diese geerdet.
 
 
   
 
 Die Pyramide ist eigentlich ein kleiner Blumentopf aus Ton, den findet man mit ein wenig Gl?ck im Blumenladen - wenn nicht, kann man sich auch eine Pyramide aus Holz bauen..

Da wir nicht so viele Granitst?cken hatten um die Pyramide zu f?llen, haben wir sie mehr mit Spachtelmasse gef?llt. Um den Druck in den grossen Pyramiden irgendwie zu simulieren, haben wir die 10-20 mm grossen Granitst?cke zwischen Spachtelmasse und einer Metallplatte gepresst. Eine Gewindestange M 12 mit entsprechender Mutter hat dazu gedient. Es entstand eine Spannung von etwa 0,5 V. Die H?he der Spannung h?ngt nat?rlich ab vom ausge?bten Druck und vom Quarz-Anteil des Granits. Viel h?here Spannungen sind m?glich. Den Granit haben wir auf einem Berggefunden, und wir wissen was f?r einen Quarz-Anteil er hat.
 
 
   
 
 Um elektrischen Kontakt herzustellen, wurden alle Granitst?cke mit Alufolie ummantelt:
 
 
   
 
 Nun bleibt nur eines ?brig: die Granitst?cke in die Pyramide stecken, Stahlplatte drauf und die Mutter stark ziehen. Die Stahlplatte muss nat?rlich in der Mitte ein entsprechendes Loch haben, f?r die Gewindestange.

Die dicke Eisenplatte von unten dient als Masse.

Wenn man sich nicht die M?he machen will, diese Pyramide zu bauen, kann man den Grundeffekt auch einfacher nachweisen: ein St?ck Granit mit Alufolie ummanteln, dann mit mehreren Schichten Papier isolieren und mit einem Schraubstock pressen. Den Voltmeter schliesst man an der Alufolie und am Schraubstock (als Masse) an.
 
Viel Erfolg!
 
 
 Hypothese: warum die Erbauer der Pyramiden genau diese Bauform gew?hlt haben:

1. Die Pyramidenform ist notwendig f?r die Stabilit?t der Konstruktion.

2. Das elektrostatische Feld in Pyramidenform wechselwirkt mit dem Magnetfeld der Erde - da die Pyramiden nach N-S ausgerichtet sind - und dadurch konnten sie wahrscheinlich Energie direkt aus dem Magnetfeld der Erde entziehen.

3. Elektrische Ladungen sammeln sich besonders um spitze Konstruktionsteile... Eine scharfe Pyramidenspitze aus Metall h?tte auf der Pyramide installiert sein k?nnen (die jetzt nicht mehr vorhanden ist), als Kollektor f?r die Elektrizit?t.
 
 
 UPDATE 24.05. 2005

Wir haben den grossen Teil der Spachtelmasse aus der Pyramide entfernt damit mehr Granitsplitter (mit Alufolie ummantelt) reinpassen. Es wurden Splitter von mehreren Granitsorten benutzt (siehe Foto unten) und das f?hrte zu einem deutlichen Anstieg der Spannung. Allerdings ist (bei dieser Gr?ssenordnung) der Strom sehr gering, so da? man eine LED nicht leuchten lassen kann. Vermutlich sollte die Pyramide mehrere Meter hoch und viele Tonnen schwer sein um eine nennenswerte Leistung zu liefern..

Sicher ist aber dass allein das elektrostatische Potential, eine starke Wirkung auf den K?rper haben kann. Wie Frank Rothe und Horst Bergmann in ihrem Buch ?Der Pyramiden-Code? berichten, jeder der einige Minuten in der K?nigskammer der Keops-Pyramide verbringt, f?ngt an zu schwitzen, obwohl es dort k?hl ist. Das ist wahrscheinlich der Mumifizierungs-Effekt : jedem K?rper wird Wasser entzogen.
 
Granitsorten die beim zweiten Experiment benutzt wurden. Leider kennen wir die genauen Namen dieser Sorten nicht. Wir haben sie vor vielen Jahren aus einem Urlaubsort geholt.
 
Deutlicher Anstieg der Spannung bei Verwendung mehrerer Granitsorten.
 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on January 21, 2006, 09:05:11 PM
another pic:
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on January 21, 2006, 09:05:37 PM
another pic:
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: lancaIV on January 21, 2006, 10:33:19 PM
Granit=earth core,a multi-elements composit:also Uranium and Thorium inside !
But we have to differ between the use of a p(i/y)ramidal geometry and the material !

"Esoterik"-Provocation: the "Akkad"-ier(Legende der "Himmelssoehne") have had the
knowledge about "Magnesia"-material? and they used the effect for liturgal/cult ceremonies !?
Klaus Rassbach with his Magnet-Ring-Force-Transformer(material) and Hanna Albert Awad with his Earth-motor(north/south-orientation) concentrated in a p-i/y-ramidal center ?
Vesps have a special communication sphere,shimpanses the parallel-learning/technics adaption phenomen,
human geminis with similar life-lines:probably there is a frequence sphere only emphaised by hypersensitive
"persons/bodies".
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: macelyne on January 24, 2006, 10:29:33 AM
Habe eine Verst?ndnisfrage zu dem Piezo-effekt.

Ensteht der Strom nich erst bei einem Wechsel der Belastung ?
Oder reicht ein konstanter Druck aus, um eine fortw?hrende Spannung zu erzeugen ?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: IcyBlue on January 24, 2006, 11:24:54 AM
Habe eine Verst?ndnisfrage zu dem Piezo-effekt. Ensteht der Strom nich erst bei einem Wechsel der Belastung ? Oder reicht ein konstanter Druck aus, um eine fortw?hrende Spannung zu erzeugen ?
der strom entsteht erst beim potentialausgleich (kurzschlie?en den piezoelementes), das potential (die spannung) entsteht durch gitterdeformation. Folglich ist das potential proportional zum angelegten ?u?eren druck - kann also statisch sein - der strom flie?t aber nur wenn sich das potential ?ndert (!). Folglich mu? sich der druck ?ndern, um einen stromflu? zu bewirken.

Man kann also nicht einfach eine pyramide auf einen piezo setzen und durch das enorme gewicht strom erzeugen wollen. Dazu m??te man die pyramide auf den piezo zyklisch anheben und absenken. Ich glaube, das ist eher unpraktikabel, diese l?sung ;)

Moderne me?instrumente sind i.d.R. sehr hochohmig, weshalb sie auch problemlos das sich aufbauende potential als spannung anzeigen. W?rde man ein klassisches analoginstrument nehmen, dann sieht das me?ergebnis ganz anders aus.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on January 25, 2006, 06:51:47 PM
Ja, sie haben gesagt, dass der Strom nicht mal ausreicht, um eine LED zu betreibenmit der
Granitpyramide.
Aber es ist interessant, dass aus der anderen Pyramide mit dem Kupferkondensator wohl schon
1 bis 2 Watt herausholbar sind...


In English:
Well, they said with the granite-pyramid, that the output current is so low, that they can?t even drive
an LED, but with the copper condensor pyramid from the beginning of the topic he can already draw about 1 to 2 Watts
of power !

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: IcyBlue on January 28, 2006, 02:11:30 PM
28.01. - die seite von trt-biopower ist immer noch nicht offen. Wei? wer genaueres ?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Hubert44 on February 03, 2006, 04:22:37 AM
Hello
Her is the drawing (handmade) from the interior of the pyramid.

greetings Hubert
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Hans on February 03, 2006, 10:29:10 AM
Hallo!

Ich hab da vielleicht ne bl?de Frage:
Was passiert eigentlich, wenn man dieselbe Schaltvorrichtung nicht unter einer Pyramide baut?
Anscheinend (laut Video) steht und f?llt ja alles mit dem Magneten - entfernt man diesen, bekommt man auch keine Energie mehr.
Ist das nicht sowas ?hnliches wie der MEG von Tom Bearden?
Danke im Voraus!

Gr??e,
Hans
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on February 03, 2006, 05:38:53 PM
Hello
Her is the drawing (handmade) from the interior of the pyramid.

greetings Hubert

Hi Hubert,
bist DU der Erfinder oder kennst Du ihn ?

Und wieso kommt dann ohne Diode da eine Gleichspannung raus ?
Wie soll das funktionieren ?

Oder hast DU esnur von dem Video Dir ?berlegt, dass es so sein "K?NNTE" ?

Gruss, Stefan.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: IcyBlue on February 03, 2006, 06:20:21 PM
Hallo Stefan,

Und wieso kommt dann ohne Diode da eine Gleichspannung raus ?

das w?rde es, wenn der schwingkreis biased schwingt, also mit pulsierender gleichspannung. Das, was man von der konstruktion sieht, incl. dem selbstgebastelten gl?ttungskondensator, legt diesen verdacht nahe. Eine gleichrichtung kann aber auch durch schlechte kontaktstellen entstehen, so wie bei den allerersten kristalldetektoren.
Allerdings kann ich weder eine schaltung nachvollziehen, noch irgendeinen magn. flu?pfad ausmachen (es sei denn, in den rohren ist eisenpulver). Irgendwie ergibt die konstruktion keinen sinn - wenn man mal davon absieht, da? die rohrkonstruktion in der pyramide mit der pyramide selbst einen reichlich exitischen dipol abzugeben scheint.

M?glicherweise ist ja nun auch die energiequelle gefunden worden, und deshalb h?rt man nichts neues mehr ;)
Es liegt durchaus im bereich des m?glichen, da? die spannung aus dem me?ger?t kam (unwarscheinlich, da ja die ausrichtung eine rolle gespielt haben soll), oder aber das schlicht und einfach der n?chstbeste RF-sender die energiequelle war.

Diese art "freier energie" hatten sich mal ein paar schreberg?rten zunutze gemacht - was aber die rundfunkgesellschaft, die den sender betrieb, gar nicht so lustig fand, und das verbieten lie?.

just my 2 ct.

PS: die "pyramiden kraft" wurde gestern in "MythBusters" unter die lupe genommen. Verwendet wurde eine ma?stabsgetreue nachbildung der gizeh-pyramide, bestehend aus kupferrohr. Testobjekte waren ein glas milch, eine rasierklinge und ein halber apfel; jeweils auf drittel h?he und mehrere wochen versuchsdauer. Ergebnis: keine wirkung bei der rasierklinge (auch nicht im REM), keine wirkung bei milch, der apfel hingegen war ausgetrocknet, w?hrend der vergleichsapfel verfault war. Alles in allem aber nicht sehr repr?sentativ, da keine wiederholungsversuche.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on February 03, 2006, 06:21:24 PM
Here are still a few more pics:

http://www.check2pay.at/pyramide/
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on February 04, 2006, 05:49:59 PM
Have the big powers shut him down ? There is now just the message at his website:
04.02.2006 17.30 Uhr MEZ
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren
Diese Website ist bis auf weiteres geschlossen.
 
Bitte beachten Sie, dass alle bis dahin gezeigten Inhalte dem Urheberrecht und internationaler Copyrightgesetze unterliegen, und auch die Weitergabe gezeigter Inhalte bereits strafbar ist.
 
Wir bedauern diese Unannehmlichkeiten, sehen uns aber aus rechtlichen Gr?nden au?erstande, diese Website weiter in dieser Form aufrecht zu halten.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: rensseak on February 04, 2006, 06:55:20 PM
Have the big powers shut him down ? There is now just the message at his website:
04.02.2006 17.30 Uhr MEZ
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren
Diese Website ist bis auf weiteres geschlossen.
 
Bitte beachten Sie, dass alle bis dahin gezeigten Inhalte dem Urheberrecht und internationaler Copyrightgesetze unterliegen, und auch die Weitergabe gezeigter Inhalte bereits strafbar ist.
 
Wir bedauern diese Unannehmlichkeiten, sehen uns aber aus rechtlichen Gr?nden au?erstande, diese Website weiter in dieser Form aufrecht zu halten.


Dabei hatte er noch zuvor in einem anderen Forum davon geredet das niemand so etwas unterdr?cken w?rde. Nun ist er wohl eines besseren belehrt worden. Vielleicht haben ja die ?gypter jetzt ein Copyrigt auf Pyramidenformen angemeldet.

Zum Gl?ck habe ich mir aber das Video vorher noch heruntergeladen. Schade das es jetz so gekommen ist aber ich denke das trotzdem gen?gend Infos her?bergekommen sind.

MfG
rensseak

Ich hatte heute eine Interessante seite in Bezug auf die Schuhmann-Frequenzen gelesen

http://electricterra.com/E-Book%20Web/introduction.htm (http://electricterra.com/E-Book%20Web/introduction.htm)

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: macelyne on February 07, 2006, 10:15:46 AM
Hier ist ein Interessanter link zu einem Forum,
in dem der Erfinder unter dem nickname Pythagoras
selber ?ber seine Ver?ffentlichung spricht.

Was ich jedoch seltsam finde ist, da? er es unterlassen hat, auf seiner eigenen
Seite eine Erkl?rung abzugeben.
Vielleicht h?tte ihm das einigen ?rger erspart...       

http://www.paraportal.de/viewtopic.php?t=3513&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=pyramide&start=15
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: IcyBlue on February 07, 2006, 01:03:20 PM
Dabei hatte er noch zuvor in einem anderen Forum davon geredet das niemand so etwas unterdr?cken w?rde. Nun ist er wohl eines besseren belehrt worden.
nichts da mit unterdr?cken. Die gr?nde sind eine "?tzende" community und drohungen von leuten, die sich bereichern wollen. Hier die erkl?rung des urhebers:

Quote
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, Liebe Communitymitglieder.

Wenn Sie mein Posting hier nun als endliche Reaktion auf den Thread hier betrachten m?chten, dann haben Sie Recht.
Ich war leider in den letzten Tagen mehr unterwegs als Zuhause, m?chte aber hier deutlich und nachdr?cklich folgendes Anmerken.

Viele Postings hier gehen mir eindeutig zu stark unter die G?rtellinie!
Ich finde mehrere Angriffe hier f?r derart unpassend, dass ich mit eigenen Worten hier nicht darauf eingehen m?chte.
Ich habe in den letzten Tagen viele Anrufe, Mails und Faxe erhalten, und habe diese nachweislich ALLE beantwortet, auch wenn nicht wirklich Zeit daf?r war. Mein Personal wurde von Anrufern w?hrend unserer Gesch?ftszeiten mehrmals unfl?tig angep?belt, und scheinbar f?hlen sich manche Mitb?rger berechtigt, zu einem bestimmten Zeitpunkt Baupl?ne und genaue Funktionsprinzipien zu erhalten.

Viele selbsternannte Fachleute versuchen nun seit Wochen, unsere Arbeit ins l?cherliche zu ziehen, und kommen mit Haarstr?ubenden Argumenten, warum dies nun nachweisbar sein soll.
Ehrlich gesagt, entzieht es sich meiner Kenntnis, warum es f?r einige hier so wichtig ist, hier nur Betrugsverdacht zu ?ussern.

Mittlerweile ist uns die Funktion ohne "Betrugsm?glichkeit" auch nachgewiesen worden, und weitere pr?fungen finden unter Ausschlu? jeglicher weiterer Betrugsm?glichkeit bereits statt.

Ich habe auf anraten unseres Rechtsanwaltes nun den Beschlu? gefasst, die Website www.trt-biopower.at endg?ltig aus dem Netz zu nehmen, da es keine weitere notwendigkeit einer ver?ffentlichung mehr gibt.

Nachdem nun auch in der Schweiz ein unserer Meinung nach kopiertes Ger?t l?uft, und einige weitere Versuchsanordnungen in Deutschland und Belgien bereits kurz vor der fertigstellung sind, wird nun vermutlich das weitere Thema nur mehr ?ber Rechtsanw?lte zu kl?ren sein.

Sie werden sich nun fragen, warum mir diese Sache aufst?sst, wo ich doch ohnehin alle Baudaten ver?ffentlichen wollte.

Nun, die Sache liegt darin, dass wir per einstweiliger Verf?gung von diesem Schweizer gezwungen werden sollten, unsere ver?ffentlichungen einzustellen, da er sich als Urheber der Erfindung sieht, und nun der Meinung ist, an der ganzen Sache millionen zu verdienen.

GENAU DAS WOLLTEN WIR ABER EIGENTLICH VERHINDERN!

Ja, die Welt ist Pervers! Und vermutlich passiert nun das, was eigentlich das "worst case scenario" an der ganzen Sache war.

Aber Gott sei Dank wurde hier wenigstens nur ?ber Wahrheit und Betrug diskutiert, w?hrend andere nur die Dollarzeichen in den Augen hatten.

Ich beende als Verfasser dieses Threads hiermit die weitere diskussion, und bitte die Admins dieses Forums, dies auch auf dem Wege der Forumssteuerung auszuf?hren.
Ich bedanke mich bei allen Postern f?r deren Beitr?ge, und stehe f?r weitere Gespr?che per Telefax, Mail und Telefon nicht mehr zur Verf?gung.

Abschlie?end m?chte ich noch sagen, dass es nicht stimmt, dass ich mich bei Personen, welche mir Hilfe angeboten haben, nicht gemeldet habe.
Es mag aber so sein, dass mir mancher B?se ist, weil er eben keine "Exklusivinformationen" bekommen hat.... That?s it...

Ich w?nsche allen hier ein fr?hliches weiterleben, und allen jenen, die ohnehin an einen Betrug geglaubt haben, viel Spa? am totreden weiterer innovatonen :-)
mfg

und weiterhin:

Quote
Fakt ist, dass ich durch alle meine gut gemeinten Internetver?ffentlichungen bis Dat nur Schaden verursacht und geerntet habe, jetzt noch viel vorsichtiger mit jedem Kontakt umgehen muss, und eigentlich genau das gegenteil davon eingetroffen ist, was ich eigentlich bezweckt habe. [...] Ich kann jedoch nur sehr schwer damit leben, dass ich mich in der Wahl meiner ver?ffentlichung so derart vertan habe, und einen gro?teil meiner Mitmenschen so derart verkannt habe.

mehr gibt es dazu eigentlich auch nicht zu sagen.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on February 07, 2006, 11:29:18 PM
hmm,verstehe nicht, wieso er dann seine eigene Schaltung nicht ver?fentlicht hat.Also entweder ist er still gemacht worden oder es funktioniert doch nicht und er wollte sich nicht blamieren..und sucht nun eine Ausrede..? Schade....
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: 11111 on February 10, 2006, 03:13:17 PM
http://www.trt-biopower.at/     Wieder online!!!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on February 11, 2006, 08:58:10 PM
Wie kann man sich da anmelden als Benutzer ?
How can one login as a user ?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on February 11, 2006, 09:07:10 PM
Here a few more coomments from the inventor which he has posted in the other forum:

Update

Zun?chst darf ich mich beie allen Postern hier f?r die rege Anteilnahme sehr herzlich bedanken. Ich freue mich ?ber jede Resonanz, gleich ob diese Positiv oder Negativ ist.

Ich m?chte hier zuerst ein paar offene Fragen beantworten, und dann kurz Stellung zum aktuellen Fortschritt nehmen.

1.) Es wurde bereits mehrmals angemerkt, dass der gesamte Versuchsaufbau etwas unprofessionell aussieht, und die L?tstellen an der Halterung grauenhaft aussieht. DAS STIMMT, und macht mich auch nicht besonders stolz. Das Problem an der Sache ist aber, dass bei der V4 bereits mehr als 40 !! Ver?nderungen an den jeweiligen Haltestreben durchgef?hrt wurden. Vielleicht bin ich einfach zu geizig, um jedesmal neues Material zu verwenden, und so wird das ganze nat?rlich bei jedem mal trennen und neul?ten immer h?sslicher...

Leider bekommt man beim Basteln immer eine kleine Unruhe, da man sich immer mehr auf das Ergebnis konzentriert, und daher bei scheinbar unwichtigen Details immer schlampiger wird.
Zudem habe ich ein kleines Unternehmen in der Transportbranche und nat?rlich meine geliebte Familie. Die Zeit f?r meine Basteleien muss ich mir immer ein klein wenig stehlen.

2.)Die Probleme bei unserer V5 (die etwas gr?ssere Pyramide) sind nach wie vor nicht im Griff. Die Pyramide f?hrt bei korrekter Ausrichtung sofort hoch, zeigt aber nach 8-11 Stunden amplitudenhafte Leistungsschwankungen. Die ersten Schwankungen werden von der Pyramide noch verdaut, aber nach 4-5 Schwankungen scheint irgendetwas aus dem Lot zu gehen, und die Leistung f?llt aprupt auf 0.

Nur ein erneutes "aus der Richtung nehmen" scheint die Pyramide neu einzuschwingen. Ehrlich gesagt, ist dies etwas deprimierend, da die V4 ja anst?ndig l?uft, diese Schwankungen zwar auch zeigt, aber nicht abstirbt.

In einem anderen Forum wurde mir geraten, die Pyramidengr?sse der V5 neu zu berechnen, da das Problem vielleicht an einer Art Grundfrequenz liegen k?nnte. Hier wird nat?rlich weiter berichtet.

3.) Der Pyramidenrahmen beteht aus einfachem Stahl (St38) welcher geschweisst und lackiert ist. Ich kann best?tigen, dass das Material des Pyramidenaufbaues bei der Funktion ?berhaupt keine Rolle spielt.
Der Rahmen sollte nur stabil sein, sonst nichts.
(Ich habe aber den Rahmen aus Sicherheitsgr?nden geerdet!)

Die Pyramidenfl?chen wurden mit normalen Gipskartonplatten erstellt, da wir festgestellt haben, dass eine Verkleidung eine Leistungssteigerung von knapp 10% bringt. Sobald man aber die Verkleidung metallisch ausf?hrt, verringert sich die Leistung um gute 40% (Bei Erdung der Verkleidungsfl?chen sogar ?ber 50%)



Aktueller Fortschritt
Ich denke, das ich bis 06.01.2006 die Internetseite fertig haben werde, da ich nichts mehr hassse, als Baustellenseiten :-)

In dieser Site sollten dann wirklich alle Fragen beantwortet werden, und auch ein Bauplan zum Nachbau zu finden sein.

Nat?rlich gibt es auch weitere Videos und Bilder, die hoffentlich auch alle Zweifel beseitigen sollten.
Es wird auch ein neues Innenleben f?r die V4 geben, da diese Version auch f?r die Herren vom DC, bzw. in M?nchen gebraucht wird.
(Die V4 passt noch in den Laderaum meines Jeeps :-)

Als Domain werde ich in Ermangelung einer anderen Idee die Website unseres Raps?lprojektes vergewaltigen.
(Mir f?llt einfach kein gescheiter Domainname, der noch dazu verf?gbar ist, ein)
Die Domain lautet dann zu 99%
]http://www.trt-biopower.at

Ach Ja, ich m?chte hier nochmals betonen, dass ich keine wie immer geartete Verbindung zu den Leuten von Graviflight.de habe, aber den tollen Kontakt mit den Leuten dort sehr sch?tze. Man hat bei denen einfach das Gef?hl, dass Sie von Physik und Technik Ahnung haben, und gerne in jeder Hinsicht helfen wollen. (Und das ist genau das, was ich zur Zeit am n?tigsten brauche)

Liebe Gr?sse
Thomas
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: macelyne on March 14, 2006, 01:19:55 AM
Asymmetrischer Schwingkreis ?

Erkl?rungsversuch

Mittlerweile kommt es mir so vor,
als ob die Pyramide eine Art Empf?nger
f?r Radiowellen ist.

Eine Antenne ( der Ring ) ist mit einem Kondensator innerhalb eines Faradayk?figs
( Pyramide ) verbunden und schwingt mit dem umgebenden Wechselfeld.

Alle dadurch entstandenen gegens?tzlichen Ladungen auf der mit dem Rahmen
verbundenen Seite des Kondensators m?ssen wieder
nach au?en abflie?en.

Der die Kondensatorfl?chen vebindende Schwingkreis ist jedoch
durch den Magneten im Ungleichgewicht,
wodurch der Abfluss der Ladungen
in die eine Richtung ( ?ber den Rahmen ) leichter erfolgen k?nnte,
als in die andere ( ?ber die Spule zum Verbraucher ).

Je nach Drehsinn der Spule w?rde dann entweder die positive
oder die negative Ladung lieber ?ber den Rahmen abflie?en.

So k?nnte eine Spannungsdifferenz entstehen
die vom Verbraucher nutzbar gemacht wird.

W?rde das nicht auch erkl?ren,
warum dieser Schwingkreis wahrscheinlich einen
sich ver?ndernden Gleichstrom erzeugt, der dann durch
den sekund?ren Kondensator gegl?ttet werden mu? ?

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on May 15, 2007, 09:14:31 PM
Here in this video at the end
starting at 12:56 min is another
inventor claiming to have rebuilt this pyramid
and also getting power out...

http://www.secret.tv/artikel/Strom_aus_der_Pyramide__Mythos_oder_Wirklichkeit__1308869.html

Too bad we don?t know, if this is a fake or not...
He seems to be pretty old and
although he speaks German, it is hard to understand,
what he means, jumps in his speech from
one topic to the next without giving real explanations..

Hmm,does anybody know, who this guy is ?
Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on May 15, 2007, 10:23:32 PM
Here in this video at the end
starting at 12:56 min is another
inventor claiming to have rebuilt this pyramid
and also getting power out...

http://www.secret.tv/artikel/Strom_aus_der_Pyramide__Mythos_oder_Wirklichkeit__1308869.html

Too bad we don?t know, if this is a fake or not...
He seems to be pretty old and
although he speaks German, it is hard to understand,
what he means, jumps in his speech from
one topic to the next without giving real explanations..

Hmm,does anybody know, who this guy is ?
Thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

This is alltime the old video from january 2006
trawoeger from austrier  (TRT-Power)

he was payd from Siemens Austria , and gave remouved all
out the web....

He can only discover by hisown , but nothing mor "open".
This items truly worked.

it have better links in web that are to understand and translated also.

Pese


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on May 15, 2007, 10:56:44 PM
i find it
http://www.stormloader.com/members/pese/liSCIENCE2.html

look for traw?ger


ctrl + f

search traw

you find the link.
all is translated to englisch

Pese

more links
http://www.stormloader.com/members/pese/liLIST.html
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on May 15, 2007, 11:39:01 PM
Hi Pese,
Mr. Traw?ger is the first guy in the video,
but if you forward to about 13 minutes in the video,
there is a second pyramid from a different inventor
and it seems he had replicated the Traw?ger experiment
and show, that he also gets power out.

Who is this second man ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on May 16, 2007, 10:56:08 PM
Hi Stefan,
OK i wll look , give attention on this , and follow to find.

I know that this is principially working.
I was in Emailcontact with Traw?ger , after i followed
his Treads in 3 or 4 diiffernt Forum , to "learn" the
folks...
Hea was giving some interested details , offcause he
find "This" . but  all was find , and he coud not expain
the "physics" of this power.
He have found this with "feeling" to this materials.
(so like "otto" is working)

Traw?ger is an very serios person.
I a not wonderimg , that another person
have tried and find it out
(because he have belived this)

Pese
 P.

P.S.
I seen this Video,
Jes another person (Not Herman !)
that explained "something" in german
language , very clear to understand
(AUDIO) , but only with "Nonsens"
I belive nothing from him.
You cant follow - virtally- the
wired cables. , you cant see the "devives"
that (it is to hear) he switch on/off.)
forget him ....

G.P
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on June 09, 2007, 01:47:14 PM
Hello People !.
Anyone can translate from german to english  the second part od the video found at:

http://www.secret.tv/player_popup.php?id=1307723&movieid=1308850


Anyone here can suggest how I can download the video to run it in a enlarged window to distinguish the details ?

Maybe someone want to try a replication and post the results....
Thank you.
Regards,
Pegasus.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on June 10, 2007, 07:19:01 PM
Pegasus
tks for mail

i found it !

opened for all here:

http://www.web-space.tv/free-energy/
Traw?ger = Device Part 14
--------------

difficult to open ! 
You will find.

you will be happy !  Its the best collection and translation from
his work.

Gustav Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid - in German some infos
Post by: pese on June 10, 2007, 10:10:47 PM
...Stanley Meyer trank ein Glas Orangensaft. Pl?tzlich st?rzte er aus dem Restaurant. Er schrie: ?Man hat mich vergiftet!? Dann brach er zusammen und starb. Offizielle Todesursache: Lebensmittelvergiftung.
 
 

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Hallo Board
Ich wei?, dass eigentlich jeder Buchstabe sinnlos ist, da es ohnehin zu diesem Thema mehr Agressionen als n?tzliches Feedback gab, aber es wird in den n?chsten Wochen bereits die ersten Ver?ffentlichungen seitens des neuen Rechteinhabers dieser neuen Pyra-Voltaik Anlagen geben. Derzeit dreht ein Team von Pro 7 einen Bericht.
Der Sendetermin wird hier gerne bekannt gegeben.
 
Liebe Gr?sse
Thomas Traw?ger

(DAS war 2006) und ist auch nicht mehr ver?ffentlicht worden


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Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on June 12, 2007, 06:21:58 PM
 Anyone expert in in radiocircuits, can give his opinion if there is any colleration of this schematic with the pyarmid energy device setup?
http://www.crystalradio.net/crystalplans/xximages/magtuned.jpg

Regards,
Pegasus
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on June 13, 2007, 07:24:08 AM
No , that have nothing to do with AM Radio circuits , even if crystal (detector)  tube or transistore reveid AM (or up to FM ) waves.
An Radio Expert cant help here
Pese


ADDED at 17.June
also "amplification in one (or more) diodes cant made or constructed"
(i work over 50 years ( privat and prof. ) with this materials)

An aditional "helping" voltage , can ONLY MINIMIZE the
cross over vVoltages of the diodes , that losses on the
rectified (low frequency - AUDIO-Signal)  , that make "otherway" impossible
to receive "week" signals.


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tagor on June 14, 2007, 07:08:35 AM
No , that have nothing to di with AM Radio circuits , even if crystal (detector)  tube or transistore reveid AM (or up to FM ) waves.
An Radio Expert cant help here
Pese

this is very similar to Moray super cristal detector
<<
THE SUPER CRYSTAL RADIO DETECTOR
Certain natural minerals can be used to detect radio signals, including zincite, silicon, germanium, galena, molybdenite, bornite, tellerium and carborundum. Rectification takes place at the point of contact with a sharp metal point of wire. A precise contact called a "catswisker" had to be made for the device to operate. This allows current to pass in one direction but not the other, and so the high frequency radio wave carrier signal is "rectified". It is converted to provide a direct current, varying audio signal that can be heard with a sensitive high impedance earphone.

The synthetic carborundum detector is a  more reliable detector. Unlike the natural minerals that use a cat's whisker it is stable, but it requires a negative potential of 1 volt to be applied to it. This is to be supplied by a battery and adjusted with a potentiometer.           


>>

http://www.nuenergy.org/alt/super_crystal_detector.htm
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on June 14, 2007, 03:18:45 PM
In the pictures I have, I can see that the the copper exposed to the focus of the pyramid is in reality a piece of copper folded in two,not a real two plate capacitor.I see only a connection to it,in the left bottom,a wire that disappear behind the copper frame.Under the fold of the plate "capacitor",ther is a wire shaped in a zig zag fashion that can have some capacitance,also.Please correct me if I'm wrong.....

About the Moray connection:Anyone here has tryed to put a radioactive material in the focus of the pyramid?

P.P.S.:The previous link dont work.......

Regards,
Pegasus
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on June 14, 2007, 03:33:23 PM
http://www.rexresearch.com/meyers/meyers.htm

See the link....It shows also a V shaped piece of zinc between the poles of horseshoe magnet....similar to the shapes inside the pyramid...
Regards,
Pegasus
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Benwell on August 01, 2007, 12:15:15 AM
Hi

I joined this Forum a while ago and have read a few of the threads here. Very interesting stuff.

I have found a couple of items for this thread hope they are of interest.

 http://www.robertschoch.net/Great%20Pyramid%20Giza%20%20Alternative%20Energy%20PG%20Circular%20Times.pdf

http://www.rexresearch.com/grandics/grandics.htm

Hope I have done this right.

Cheers
Keep up the good work
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on November 04, 2007, 02:37:41 AM
Has anybody from the German users over here any contact to:

Herbert Nagel
in
54293 Trier, Germany ?

He is not listed under his address in the German telephone book.

He is the second person starting at 12:56 min in this video:


http://www.secret.tv/player_popup.php?id=1307723&movieid=1308850

So I would like to contact Mr.Nagel and ask him,
what he has got.
So does anyone have a phone number of him ?

Please email me privately his phone number.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: engpjk on November 04, 2007, 12:47:16 PM
Hi Stefan,

Just today I discovered that "Trawoeger" is presumably the surname of the Flavio Thomas in the pyramid video.  This has led me to the considerable additional amount of information on this site.  If there is no objection, I should like to add this important new (to me) information to the "D12.pdf" document which contains all of the information which I had up to this time.

If you, or anyone else has any objections to this, please say so as any information which I have is presented as a free download from my web sites.  My e-mail address is engpjk@yahoo.co.uk if anyone wants to contact me direct.

Is anybody carrying out experiments on electricity from pyramids at the present time?

All the best,

Patrick Kelly
Title: Rebuilt the fist prototype of electrical pyramide generator
Post by: Tigrotto on November 04, 2007, 04:39:15 PM
Yer Sir,
It's me, O.Petria, from Italy.
I want to rebuilt the experiment of Trawoeger. I know another person manage to rebuilt it ( see the famous 17 minutes video) : http://www.secret.tv/player_popup.php?id=1307723&movieid=1308850 from the 12:57 minute on.
I want to know basically: the details of the Trawoeger's setup. Point by point, not amatorial.
I know exactly how to proceed but not use to waste time to built this setup if anyone knows exactly how to do it. I promisse to share all my developments with all of you helping me.
The ways are two:
1. Does anyone knows the point-by-point description of the Trawoeger's setup, attention: not amatorial? Then shre with all of us. Trawoeger will be no longer able to do this . SIEMENS " purchased " him.
2. Should anyone be able to contact the second person of that video: I know addresse, name, but not phone number.: The second person is: Herbert Niegel / Am Knieberg 40 /54293 Trier / Germany.
In order to go on with the researches, let's reproduce the first experiment.
I'm physicist and I know more about these facts, but...not all. And here comes the strage facts!!!
Thanks in advance,
Dr.Ovidiu Petria
Title: Re: Rebuilt the fist prototype of electrical pyramide generator
Post by: pese on November 04, 2007, 10:38:38 PM
Yer Sir,
It's me, O.Petria, from Italy.
I want to rebuilt the experiment of Trawoeger. I know another person manage to rebuilt it ( see the famous 17 minutes video) : http://www.secret.tv/player_popup.php?id=1307723&movieid=1308850 from the 12:57 minute on.
I want to know basically: the details of the Trawoeger's setup. Point by point, not amatorial.
I know exactly how to proceed but not use to waste time to built this setup if anyone knows exactly how to do it. I promisse to share all my developments with all of you helping me.
The ways are two:
1. Does anyone knows the point-by-point description of the Trawoeger's setup, attention: not amatorial? Then shre with all of us. Trawoeger will be no longer able to do this . SIEMENS " purchased " him.
2. Should anyone be able to contact the second person of that video: I know addresse, name, but not phone number.: The second person is: Herbert Niegel / Am Knieberg 40 /54293 Trier / Germany.
In order to go on with the researches, let's reproduce the first experiment.
I'm physicist and I know more about these facts, but...not all. And here comes the strage facts!!!
Thanks in advance,
Dr.Ovidiu Petria

Hello, my name is Pese , i am from trier /germany.
this adresse is nearby my office .
i cant find phone number.
so i will drive to this adresse tomorrow , and look
if the adresse (and man) is right.

regards
gustav pese

www.pese.cjb.net
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 04, 2007, 10:46:44 PM
Thank Gustav,
I sent you back on your private(Forum )Post a message.
I'm waiting the news from you.
Regards,
Dr.Ovidiu Petria
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Super on November 04, 2007, 11:31:41 PM
Hey very interesting ... keep us up to date Gustav  ;)

shame on me: first time that i see this replication...

@ Tigrotto and others

Quote
... Trawoeger will be no longer able to do this . SIEMENS " purchased " him. ...

-> If anybody knows the name of the "special" department of siemens concern or names of contact persons there,
please contact me via PM.

kind reegards, Super

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 05, 2007, 11:12:29 AM
Hi Super,
Do you think they ( Siemens ) would be so kind as to talk with us about this?
It's far better for me to contact a person prplicating this idea and I'll do it.
I repeat: The point is to start from a real/ "touchable" setup!
What's your opinion, please?
Otherwise we'll risk to waste time here on forum!
Regards,
Dr. ovidiu ( Tigrotto)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on November 05, 2007, 11:34:03 AM
Hi patric,
where can I find this D12.pdf?
greetings
walt

Hi Stefan,

Just today I discovered that "Trawoeger" is presumably the surname of the Flavio Thomas in the pyramid video.  This has led me to the considerable additional amount of information on this site.  If there is no objection, I should like to add this important new (to me) information to the "D12.pdf" document which contains all of the information which I had up to this time.

If you, or anyone else has any objections to this, please say so as any information which I have is presented as a free download from my web sites.  My e-mail address is engpjk@yahoo.co.uk if anyone wants to contact me direct.

Is anybody carrying out experiments on electricity from pyramids at the present time?

All the best,

Patrick Kelly

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on November 05, 2007, 11:37:30 AM
Hi all,
does anybody know or has the paper description what the second guy in the video shows? I am verry interested to have it maybe it can be posted here or e-mail it to me directly to a542002@hotmail.com
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: gyulasun on November 05, 2007, 12:23:41 PM
Hi patric,
where can I find this D12.pdf?
greetings
walt

Hi Walter,

The link is here:  http://www.panaceauniversity.org/D12.pdf

and you can find many other topics on this page:  http://www.panaceauniversity.org/

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Super on November 05, 2007, 09:14:55 PM
Hi Super,
Do you think they ( Siemens ) would be so kind as to talk with us about this?
It's far better for me to contact a person prplicating this idea and I'll do it.
I repeat: The point is to start from a real/ "touchable" setup!
What's your opinion, please?
Otherwise we'll risk to waste time here on forum!
Regards,
Dr. ovidiu ( Tigrotto)


Hey Tigrotto,

i don't want to ask them for help  ;) i want to know
which department of Siemens is responsible for this
- if there is really such a department @ siemens -
thats only for my personal interest, i don't think that this could
be interesting for anybody else except me and one or two others
here in this forum ... so PM

my opinion is: lets wait what gustav can find out about
the replication guy in trier  :)

Super

 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on November 06, 2007, 12:28:14 AM
Does anyone have any more detailed pictures or descriptions of the central "convertor" circuit?

Seems a bit odd... a couple of coils around what appears to be a copper tube, a rather sloppy looking "capacitor" (? is it?) and a small magnet stuck to the copper tubing with ducttape... or at least that's what it looks like... ?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 06, 2007, 05:45:44 AM
Could the pyramid be concentrating/directing the energy in the earth known as telluric currents as discussed in the topic by Localjoe "Earth battery experiments"?  This energy is everywhere on the planet and I think this might be a possible explanation.  Other thoughts?

Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: mrgalleria on November 06, 2007, 07:43:37 AM
Aloha,
I have tried to replicate this experiment without success. I have a 6' high pyramid made from 1/2" copper tube. Any more detailed instruction on the device would be appreciated,
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 06, 2007, 09:24:06 AM
In order to help you, let us know plainly ALL the detalis you followed up when building your failed experiment.ALL: starting from pyramid construction finishing to electric connection!
All
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on November 06, 2007, 11:29:54 AM
Nothing complicated about the pyramid itself: it's just a simple pyramid with the same relative dimensions as the Great pyramid at Gizeh.
The sides of the pyramid should be made of metal.
The most important functional part appears to be the "convertor" in the central  "focal point" of the pyramid.
That central "convertor" appears to be made of a copper tube frame, with some coils wound around certain parts of the tubing, and what is presumed to be a form of capacitor in the center of this frame, with a small nondescript magnet taped to one side of this frame.

That is all clear information I can gather from the videos.

Can anyone PLEASE provide more detailed information?

If anyone finally has a working pyramid including he mysterious convertor, it would be very interesting to test the output when we turn the simple metal pyramid into a Reich Orgone Accumulator pyramid... which would be extremely easy to do.
But it seems to me the main goal at this moment is not so much to try and come up with possible explanations (like Pirates "telluric currents" suggestion) rather than try and produce actual output energy. Hypothesizing possible functionality of a non existant device seems rather trivial. ;)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on November 06, 2007, 11:31:47 AM
thanks

Hi patric,
where can I find this D12.pdf?
greetings
walt

Hi Walter,

The link is here:  http://www.panaceauniversity.org/D12.pdf

and you can find many other topics on this page:  http://www.panaceauniversity.org/

rgds,  Gyula
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 06, 2007, 11:56:40 AM
This message is for the person saying here he replicated unsuccesfull the experiment. please replay, otherwise all of us will waste the time here.
In order to help you, let us know plainly ALL the detalis you followed up when building your failed experiment.ALL: starting from pyramid construction finishing to electric connection! All
Thanks,
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on November 06, 2007, 03:15:51 PM
Tigrotto, why do you focus so much on a failed replication message? If mrgalleria does not want to give details on what exactly he did, then let him.
From the little that he did post, I assume he has not actually replicated the entire device.
After all, he says he built a pyramid from copper tubing... ?! Where did he get the idea you need a pyramid made of copper tubing? The pyramid in the video does not at all look like copper tubing. And the text documents do not mention a copper tubing pyramid frame either.
The video and any documents all clearly show that one needs to build a pyramid with metal sides. Not a copper tube frame! A full pyramid, made of metal!
Only the "convertor" in the center is made partially of copper tubing.

So instead of trying to pry information from a person who first of all said his "replication" did not work and second appears to imply he has not even built the actual pyramid properly (which makes it into a haphazard attempt rather than a true replication), perhaps we should focus more on the information we can attempt to get from people who have actually build a pyramid, or perhaps on reverse engineering the "convertor" from the video images and documents?

The pyramid itself is simple. It is the "convertor" we need to figure out. I think ;)

On another note, the pyramid frame shape in itself is already quite interesting...
If properly built, a pyramid frame can be made so that there are 4 axis perpendicular to eachother. Obviously this allows for two opposing axis to be fed signals exactly 180 degrees out of phase, which could result in interesting effects over the other 2 axis... If we can believe anything of the philadelphia experiment and related "montauk" projects, a setup like this was used to alter local space-time (with some additions to the setup of course).
Also, there is a little interesting documentation on a wire-frame based electromagnetic pyramid device referred to as a "telepathic pyramid" which appears to suggest a direct link between the pyramid frame 'antenna' and scalar wave technology, and in related texts a pramid shaped power source is mentioned. Okay, this specific information relates to accounts of ufo contactees so it is quite "out there", but the pyramid device design is very interesting. ;)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 08, 2007, 10:38:40 PM
 i have traslated this for tigrotto german to english.
an because i have plaed this again and again , i understand
that this is kaked power.
this people have not found this , that traw?ger found.
give attention to video , to the meter , to nois of moter (shown the meter!!)
some switches was "clicking" extern .  (possibly also noise from an extern motor . nothing is correct , not to see the  cbles.

end of video , the person say : Now i swich off !!
from powersupply ???
Interesting.

Mister Nagel . live in my Home-City.
I tried to visite hime (no phonenumber) , so he is not open the dood,
even when he is in home.

I dont belive this video say more than an stupid fraud.
that was traw?ger have find was the correct way

even , when this video was made in Nagel?s home , than the pyramide
was not placed "exactly" to te earth magnet field in the right angel degree.


Pese

pese.cjb.net
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on November 09, 2007, 11:11:23 AM
i have traslated this for tigrotto german to english.
an because i have plaed this again and again , i understand
that this is kaked power.
this people have not found this , that traw?ger found.
give attention to video , to the meter , to nois of moter (shown the meter!!)
some switches was "clicking" extern .  (possibly also noise from an extern motor . nothing is correct , not to see the  cbles.

end of video , the person say : Now i swich off !!
from powersupply ???
Interesting.
Or the video camera maybe? ;)

Quote
Mister Nagel . live in my Home-City.
I tried to visite hime (no phonenumber) , so he is not open the dood,
even when he is in home.

I dont belive this video say more than an stupid fraud.
that was traw?ger have find was the correct way
Ok, and which way is that then ?
It is not what we see in  the video, with the metal pyramid and the copper tube convertor in its center?

Quote
even , when this video was made in Nagel?s home , than the pyramide
was not placed "exactly" to te earth magnet field in the right angel degree.
which means what, exactly?
Asfar as I can figure, it's not about it being perpendicular to the earth magnetic field anyway, so why would that matter?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 09, 2007, 02:07:06 PM
Yiu domts see the spply cables !
you dont see the motor running ! (no prpellor or colored disk on it !
you see the multimeter schown zero !
than 5.00 if not nois of motor
than (another?) motor will be switched on (click) .
tha you see the 5.00 again.
After you se 0.00 , the magnet will be take off !
BUT the motor still running longer !!
Thean he will switched of (click)

than again . NOW we must switsch off AA !

What an cause if the Energy is free and selrunning.

-
last the phramide is placed in an room , ind angel-degree  paralell to whe walls of th rooms. !!
In over 99% the hoiuses are not buid exactliy to NS or E-W to the erth magnet field.


Dizend and mor you can find in ths fraudly Video that is make to give DESINFORMATION to the people to STOP more
exeperioences in ths sens what Trawoeger have make correctly.

I trust my meaning , you must not follow.
G.Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on November 11, 2007, 03:01:49 PM
Well I'm sorry but I can't really make heads or tails of your post...

I guess you are saying it is faked, but I fail to see all of your points.
What is that bull about you not seeing a coloured disc? My pc fan does not have a coloured disc, nor can you see anything but a hazy blur when it's moving...
Why would they switch on a motor to get 5 volts? That just doesn't make any sense; a normal battery would suffice, and would also not give any sound...
As far as the motor that doesn't stop immediately after the power feed has stopped: that is quite normal for a motor that is running. Motors never halt immediately.

I do not follow your remark "what an cause if the energy is free and selfrunning". What do you mean?

And as to houses not built exactly to North-South axis: that is a generalisation you cannot just take as a fact. Som houses are aligned N-S almost exactly, and it is well possible the house where the vid was made is alighned properly. We simply don't know, because we do not see a compass. But there is also no reason to dismiss the possibility just because most houses are not properly aligned. That's like saying there's no such thing as a black swan, because most swans are white. Similarly incorrect logic.

Please explain your last statement on "experiences" as it is not clear what you mean?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 11, 2007, 05:43:16 PM
Give attention to the video , yourself,
than i must not explain with my bad english longer.
give attention to all movement.
to klicking switches
to the meter
the meter the wholtime , it the motor make nois , if magnet is an , also off.
nothing is synchron.
can you see the mot running ?
possible another motor is running an is switched so that you cants see.

the "pic" of professional made videos for people that WILL belive all .
On an unproffesional Fraud . For people that all that is outside the table , must be trustfully.
G.P.

That man that explain ist not the "inventer" and know nothing from
this device .
See the video , give attention to ALL , hear all Noises that are not
nead to work.
You see nothing ! Even not that the "MOTOR work".

If you will see better magic-shows , i have som in my links for my children collected.
The Nagel-Show  is not so good...+++


Well I'm sorry but I can't really make heads or tails of your post...

I guess you are saying it is faked, but I fail to see all of your points.
What is that bull about you not seeing a coloured disc? My pc fan does not have a coloured disc, nor can you see anything but a hazy blur when it's moving...
Why would they switch on a motor to get 5 volts? That just doesn't make any sense; a normal battery would suffice, and would also not give any sound...
As far as the motor that doesn't stop immediately after the power feed has stopped: that is quite normal for a motor that is running. Motors never halt immediately.

I do not follow your remark "what an cause if the energy is free and selfrunning". What do you mean?

And as to houses not built exactly to North-South axis: that is a generalisation you cannot just take as a fact. Som houses are aligned N-S almost exactly, and it is well possible the house where the vid was made is alighned properly. We simply don't know, because we do not see a compass. But there is also no reason to dismiss the possibility just because most houses are not properly aligned. That's like saying there's no such thing as a black swan, because most swans are white. Similarly incorrect logic.

Please explain your last statement on "experiences" as it is not clear what you mean?

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 11, 2007, 07:03:32 PM
Hi guys,
I gathered this weeks since I'm here on forum tons of fundamental/ teoretical informations about pyramid/ electric current generation. I'm about to start with the experiments.
The good news for those of you that are interested , really interested in these experiments is this :
Trawoeger's experiment could works, but...not as he presented/ showed there.
I'm Ph.Dr. and I studied ALL the theory related, also available Patents of Invention related.
My proposal is this:
Should someone work seriously with me on this matter, then write me back on private post.
I need only those persons really experimented this kind of facts.
Thanks in advance,
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on November 12, 2007, 12:30:17 PM
Why don't you post your usefull information here and discuss it with us?

Very odd to see that people are willing to discuss things here untill they rech the point where they feel they have actually acquired some usefull knowledge, then they tend to drop away from the forum and go private and secretive... What's up with that?

Either you have found some possible ways to explain and possibly even replicate pyramid electrical power generation, or you have not.
If you have, please just tell us about them instead of acting all secretive?

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 17, 2007, 12:58:40 PM
Did someone do this experiment?:
Rechargeable batteries under pyramide, 1/3 height, North(+)-South(-).
Many people said it could be recharged after about 24H.
Any comment? 

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 17, 2007, 09:03:44 PM
Hello, my name is Thomas Trawoeger, and if you believe it or not, i am the inventor of the Pyramide. I found this website, because i am searching all few months for news about me. ;D

Well, allow me to tell you some very important things about me and my invention:

When i startet with my project in the internet, i was in hope to find some people to help me understannding the phenomenia.
But what happend? I found only people wich wanted to present my work as fake.

Nobody was able to give any clever comment, but everybody wanted Details, Plans and Schematics.

As we stopped the website trt-biopower.at, plenty of people cryed "fake", and even the Scientist of a great german Company tryed everything to bring the Idea into a deep grave.

So i did the best in this time. (even the same thing you should do with stocks) Turn around, and sleep...

In the last 2 Years we investet plenty of money to stop fake-presentations of my invention in the Internet.
So we stopped Mr. Nagels Fake on secret.tv and plenty of stupid postings with faked plans.
Even a Company in UK selled "original construction Plans" for my Pyramide....

Is that all you need????

Everybody wants to get a prove or a demonstration of the function. But nobody pleased for it.
I only heared: Show us, or you are a faker.....

Now i make the official Offer for everybody:
Tell me, why you believe, that your help is constructive for me, and i will invite you to me, to proof my Pyramide.
But it?s not very interesting for me if you say: Show me, and i will believe you.
(I?m not Jesus, and i dont sell any religion)

I wish you a nice discussion, and you can believe that i am the real one...
Mr. Pese should know, that it?s me..
 Yours sincerely
Thomas Trawoeger
(Mr. Flavio Thomas was a real Fake *maybe a wrong translation)

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 17, 2007, 09:06:38 PM
@tigrotto: The Accu-loader was the Mother of my invention :-)
greets, Tom
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 17, 2007, 11:28:38 PM
@tigrotto: The Accu-loader was the Mother of my invention :-)
greets, Tom

[/quote

Hello Thomas , my english is not the best  (i will mail you also in german.
I belive (in your words from this treads) that you.
I have also see this "rubbisch from Nagel, in Trier (is also my living-city)
I have 2 weeks ago to visit hin (unnecessary) ,alsohi is no opening the door!
If you give only an little attention to the tv-secret video , you can find an
lot of "unproffesional made frauds. also nothing from the spocken words
sound seriosly.
Even if you find any progress in your experiments , of even , if you will
"weak up" the folk here , Do this . i am shure that Stefan (moderator)
will give attention , that you must not comes in same "agressiv" people
here than in the forums that you find end of 2005.
I am sure that you  "findings"was and are right!

best
Gustav Pese

www.cjb.net
.pese@marsmail.de
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tak22 on November 18, 2007, 03:57:12 AM
Glad to see you found us here Thomas!

I'm a pyramid constructor from way back and have seen enough unexplainable effects to keep me interested. I'd be very pleased to work with you on developing your ideas and design.

tak
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: spacetrax on November 18, 2007, 08:24:42 AM
Hi,
very nice that you came up again :-)
The first question that you should ask yourself - if your pyramid really works - is: do the mankind deserve to know the function principle? Every new device is a potential weapon in the hands of the usual (non-spiritual) people. If you look into the nature, the evolution of biological bodies of the animals was doubled by the evolution of the consciousness. A monkey is more conscious about its surroundings than a mouse is...
In my humble opinion, every invention should serve the evolution of consciousness - event if it serves to the wellbeing of the body, too.
I am not the kind of spiritual/religious freak, at all, I am just an aware observer of the nature...and I believe we should always keep an eye on the greater image of the wholeness, when we invent something.
Cheers!
Hello, my name is Thomas Trawoeger, and if you believe it or not, i am the inventor of the Pyramide. I found this website, because i am searching all few months for news about me. ;D

Well, allow me to tell you some very important things about me and my invention:

When i startet with my project in the internet, i was in hope to find some people to help me understannding the phenomenia.
But what happend? I found only people wich wanted to present my work as fake.

Nobody was able to give any clever comment, but everybody wanted Details, Plans and Schematics.

As we stopped the website trt-biopower.at, plenty of people cryed "fake", and even the Scientist of a great german Company tryed everything to bring the Idea into a deep grave.

So i did the best in this time. (even the same thing you should do with stocks) Turn around, and sleep...

In the last 2 Years we investet plenty of money to stop fake-presentations of my invention in the Internet.
So we stopped Mr. Nagels Fake on secret.tv and plenty of stupid postings with faked plans.
Even a Company in UK selled "original construction Plans" for my Pyramide....

Is that all you need????

Everybody wants to get a prove or a demonstration of the function. But nobody pleased for it.
I only heared: Show us, or you are a faker.....

Now i make the official Offer for everybody:
Tell me, why you believe, that your help is constructive for me, and i will invite you to me, to proof my Pyramide.
But it?s not very interesting for me if you say: Show me, and i will believe you.
(I?m not Jesus, and i dont sell any religion)

I wish you a nice discussion, and you can believe that i am the real one...
Mr. Pese should know, that it?s me..
 Yours sincerely
Thomas Trawoeger
(Mr. Flavio Thomas was a real Fake *maybe a wrong translation)


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 18, 2007, 09:27:05 AM
@spacetracks: Your Post is the major Problem of my research. We don?t have any idea, from where the energy is comming.
We tryed the pyramide in different areas, and even in a pharaday Cage, but it works. (but we have differences in the Power)
We found out, that the pyramide works best in areas with bad energy lines in the floor. (Wasseradern) but it?s not possible for us to say anything about the effect itself.
It?s a little ugly to see something without any idea of the principe...
Since 2006 we don?t dearch for the principe, we only search for the increasing of Output.
yours sincerely
Thomas

PS. Sorry for my bad english ;)

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on November 18, 2007, 10:38:09 AM
Hi thomas,
you are absolutly right not everythings what we find that works can be explained now because we are just at the beginning of understanding nature. As inventor we should just work on the results and to make them better. during this process we understand more and more. I'f ben there and what should not matter is opinion from other people who just try to discourage others.
I believe that it works I am just interested to replicate it if I got time to work on it.
greetings
walt

@spacetracks: Your Post is the major Problem of my research. We don?t have any idea, from where the energy is comming.
We tryed the pyramide in different areas, and even in a pharaday Cage, but it works. (but we have differences in the Power)
We found out, that the pyramide works best in areas with bad energy lines in the floor. (Wasseradern) but it?s not possible for us to say anything about the effect itself.
It?s a little ugly to see something without any idea of the principe...
Since 2006 we don?t dearch for the principe, we only search for the increasing of Output.
yours sincerely
Thomas

PS. Sorry for my bad english ;)


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: spacetrax on November 18, 2007, 10:46:12 AM
Hi again,
this is quite impossible...if you found ways to increase the output you must have gained an idea about the working principle.  ::)  Maybe you just have not realised it yet...
Cheers!
@spacetracks: Your Post is the major Problem of my research. We don?t have any idea, from where the energy is comming.
We tryed the pyramide in different areas, and even in a pharaday Cage, but it works. (but we have differences in the Power)
We found out, that the pyramide works best in areas with bad energy lines in the floor. (Wasseradern) but it?s not possible for us to say anything about the effect itself.
It?s a little ugly to see something without any idea of the principe...
Since 2006 we don?t dearch for the principe, we only search for the increasing of Output.
yours sincerely
Thomas

PS. Sorry for my bad english ;)


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tinu on November 18, 2007, 10:47:16 AM
That is FANTASTIC!

I do not know if I may be of constructive help to you and I?m not asking you to reveal the setup because I understand you do not want to reveal it.
However, since you are here, do you agree to provide some basic answers and guidance to those interested in walking along the path? I speak about simple questions like: what is the power density for a setup one can build at home without having your knowledge and experience; how to search for various effects (what are the critical requirements: pyramid size, materials, detection etc.); which would be a first setup you recommend for seeing/measuring something relevant?

I?m asking not only because I?d be interested but also because you were very right about the manipulation issue: the whole subject is so badly presented over internet that one can not distinguish between facts and lies.

I appreciate very much you being here and your willingness to cast some light on the subject.
Many, many thanks in advance,

Tinu


@spacetracks: Your Post is the major Problem of my research. We don?t have any idea, from where the energy is comming.
We tryed the pyramide in different areas, and even in a pharaday Cage, but it works. (but we have differences in the Power)
We found out, that the pyramide works best in areas with bad energy lines in the floor. (Wasseradern) but it?s not possible for us to say anything about the effect itself.
It?s a little ugly to see something without any idea of the principe...
Since 2006 we don?t dearch for the principe, we only search for the increasing of Output.
yours sincerely
Thomas

PS. Sorry for my bad english ;)


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: spacetrax on November 18, 2007, 10:52:11 AM
Again posting :-)
Maybe your invention has the same energy source as the Stubblefield Battery, just yours is over the Earth surface. See here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3500.msg59769.html#msg59769

Cheers!
Tica
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hansvonlieven on November 18, 2007, 10:55:23 AM
G'day Thomas,

You say you have no idea where the energy is coming from.  FANTASTIC !!! This way lies knowledge. I will help wherever I can.

Hans von Lieven

http://www.keelytech.com will give you an idea what I am about in case you are interested. Auf deutsch gehts auch wenn du Fragen hast.
( If you have questions, German is OK.)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: karl on November 18, 2007, 12:30:34 PM
Hallo Thomas,

das h?tte ich nie gedacht da? die dich hier ins Forum kriegen.
Aber gut.
Besteht interesse an einer fusion in deinem Raum oder ist's zu hei? f?r diskussionen.
Wie ich hier sehen konnte sind die richtig forciert auf dich zugesteuert.
War dir das recht?
Ich habe noch mehr begeisterte Bekannte in meinem Umkreis.
Aber alles noch leere Theorien, ein paar wackelnde magnetpendel und ein paar gefrackte (und noch neue) Magnetmaterialien.
Alles gute f?r deine weiteren Entwicklungen.
Falls Du was brauchst (LC-Meter, Mu-Metall, Metaglas, Magnete etc.) kannst Du mich ja mal direkt in diesem Forum kontaktieren.
Ich bin nicht weit weg und halte meine Hand sch?tzend ?ber dich.

Viele sonnige Gr??e aus dem selben Land
kaRLfunkel
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: karl on November 18, 2007, 12:42:35 PM
Hallo nochmal,
aber eine der vern?nftigsten Erkl?rungen, die ich je in diesem Forum gelesen habe.
Wasseradern sind nat?rlich Leiter, die durchflossen werden.
Deshalb kann man auch um eine Wasserleitung ein magnetfeld generieren.
GUTGUTGUT.
Das wird dann quasistatisch sich langsam ?ndernd sein (mond-gekoppelt nat?rlich).
d.h. der Empf?ngerkreisschiebt sich mit einer Mondphase durch ein komplexes gebilde von minimas und maximas?
d.h. der Einflu? der Planetarenkr?fte k?nnte man aus dem empfangenen Signal mit Hilfe eines sternenkundigen herausfinden?
Kennst Du die Labortageb?cher von Thomas Townsend Brown?
Gravitative sich ?ndernde effekte lassen sich in jedem Material nachweisen, verst?rken oder gegenhalten.
Ich habe mal versuch mit Mineralien gemacht, die sich selbst aufladen und dann in einem bestimmten Schwingungsmuster leben.
Dazu habe ich LAGONA (Bio-Laden) Mt. Mourillionite Gesteinsmehl zwischen zwei Kondensatorplatten gekippt.
Die Schichtsilikate wandeln ?therdruckdifferenzen in eine kaskadierte Spannung um, die an der Oberfl?che abgenommen werden kann.
Nat?rlich auch alles Mondphasengekoppelt.
Na gut. Viel Gl?ck und frohes Schaffen.
Ich schau mal hier im Forum vorbei.
Viele Gr??e (immer noch Sonnenschein).
kaRLfunkel
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: karl on November 18, 2007, 01:12:08 PM
O.K.
Gibt's mal nen Workshop an einem Wochenende bei euch?
Ich will ja schon mal so'ne Kiste f?r meinen Garten.
Meine Ansicht dazu ist folgende.
Nach einem mir bekannten Schema ist die Pyramidenform eine Art Hornantenne f?r alle m?glichen Frequenzbereiche.
Schaltungstechnisch gibt's ne M?glichkeit zur Umwandlung der mehr oder weniger zuf?lligen Imulsartigen Signale in eine
schwingende oder dann gleichgerichtete Form.
Die Signale resultieren aus allen m?glichen kosmischen und irdischen Einfl?sse im Wechselspiel.
Besonderst die Signale, die bei blitzartigen Entladungen in der Stratosph?re entstehen sind interresant.
M?glicherweise kann man das in einem verkerkleinerten Aufbau und der Simulation mit einer geladenenPlatte ?ber der Spitze simulieren und dann Skalieren.
Interresantes Thema.
W?rde ich mich reinh?ngen.
Aber so viel Output?
Reicht das wirklich um den Ventilator zu betreiben?
Das ist enorm.
Wenn Du an einem Treffen bez?glich eines Informationsaustausches interresiert bist k?nnen wir ja mal die wirklichen e-mailadressen austauschen.
Viele Gr??e
karl
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: helmut on November 18, 2007, 02:19:33 PM
Dear Thomas
As you can see,there is a big community of searchers.
And all of us like to share knowlege and learn of you.

For Mankind It is more importand then ever bevore,that Free Energy and Human Rights become planetised.
At the Time our Money as Taxes and Fees are used to feed kartells,which are trying to monopolise
Energy,Food & Nonfood Produktion ,and all Health Systems,and all kind of Marketing as well.
Governments sitting via the  Banks direkt at the Pumps and other sources to succing out all wealth
 of the peoples hands.
As you can imagine,i am not interestet in this kind of new worldorder,and many of my friends too.

For Example Chas Campbell,Dr.Stiffler,Dr.Bearden,EM devises,Harti,Bob Kosthoff,Bedini,Newman,La fontes,Denis,Gustav,OTTO,MEM
and many many others, had all ready opend there treasure chests and supply others with there knowlege.

I which as much as i can,and i beg you,that you came here,to become one of us.
"Welcome"
helmut
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on November 18, 2007, 04:00:22 PM
Hello Mr. Trawoeger....
Can you explain us  why you dont want to show us the details of your device?. OUR PLANET needs the free energy because its near the ecological collapse!.If you expect that the governments will give us the tools to supply our energy problems,you are deceived...you cannot sell free energy,so you cannot earn money from it;This is the main problem,so they will never show us how to do!.
The revolution have to start from simple people that have gained some knowledge in this field,and this is the true spirit of this forum.Everyone have to take their own responsibilities toward OUR PLANET,included you!.Otherwise you have no coscience,and this is not the right place for you....

Regards,
Pegasus.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on November 18, 2007, 06:00:20 PM
Quote from: Thomas_Trawoeger
We found out, that the pyramide works best in areas with bad energy lines in the floor. (Wasseradern)


Dear Mr. Trawoeger,
Are you refering to underground water energy lines?  Years ago I did some pyramid experiments related to biomagnetism not to electric energy at all.  Experiments convinced me that there is something about the pyramids, but at the time I didn't know what to do next with it and stopped.  At the same time I was also involved with underground water search using divining rods but I never connected that force with pyramid.  Running water, earth battery and pyramid power might be the same thing.
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on November 18, 2007, 07:36:52 PM

Mr. Trawoeger,

Could you give us a little history of the development of the pyramide.

You state that the Accu-loader was the Mother of your invention.

What types experiments were your originally doing and what anomalous effects were you observing?


Thanks,

-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 18, 2007, 07:42:04 PM
Hello all: After swimming in warm water (thermal bath) i want to answer for some of Questions here.
Well, in reality i?m not very interrestet in peace, freedom ans some other ethic questions.
Live showed me, that it is only important to keep peace in the own house. :P
We tryed a lot with great Companys, political assholes and some real "good friends" with very religious ideas, but absolutely no technical Background.
When i made my great travels in 2006 and partwise in 2007, i saw a lot of this beautyful Planet, but it doesn?t matter where you go, everywhere you will find war, twilight and cruel.

I can swear you, that even the best invention will not make peace and freedom, and as i saw, the people are only interrestet to make money and you can believe me: Nobody wants to install Pyramides to solve energy-problems in this world.

The best offers we got from people wich only wants to bring the technology behind fat walls!

Thats the only true, and this is what made me a little carefully.

Of Course, the storys that we sold our invention in 2006 where true. But the Contract was broken from the other Side.
(It was written to provide this technologie and it was written, that the puplic will be informend about every Step.)

But what happened really?: Everything was top secret, and on the end, the nice guys told me, that they found out: there was no function anytime!..... But they cashed nice and brave more than 390.000 Euros in little portions for more than a year....

Well, we took the Contract to Judgement, and we won the right about our "Non functioned invention".
Now the other side was going to the Judge, because they found a function this Summer....

(This is like Children-Play)

Meanwhile, i am allowed to speak, and i will speak. But i don?t know, how i will make it right this time...

Maybe we will only communicate with Universitys, to find out where this power is coming from...
(But you will find no University for that Theme :-(

Maybe you have some idea, to solve this problem....

Maybe it would be really a good idea, to provide all plans here in the Internet, but what happens, if we do this????
believe me, the planet will not become more friendly...
Nice greeting
Tom


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: mikey on November 18, 2007, 08:21:43 PM
Hi Tom,

I think that if you post your designs here they will be safeguarded by our community (at overunity.com). This way it will not hidden away from all of us, but also there are so many brilliant people here with so many skills that it will no doubt be developed to it's ultimate capability.

I agree with you that no invention will ever stop people from waging war on each other, but if (and I believe we will) and when we succeed with our quest for open source free energy I believe that energy will no longer be a reason that people will look to others with enviable eyes or wage wars for.

But for the time being we desperately need to find an adequate solution for our energy needs as we have raped the planet so much until now that we are on the brink, I believe, of worldwide multiple natural systems collapse.

So, in my humble opinion, if I were you, I would post the details of your research here for safekeeping and further development by the community.

Regards,

Mike
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on November 18, 2007, 09:10:32 PM

I think that the only way to get the power back in the hands of the people is to strip the power for those that have it and that a full disclosure of a new form energy or method of obtaining energy hopefully will bring them to their knees and force a restructuring.

There are still many people on this earth that don't live and breath for money.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: z_p_e on November 18, 2007, 09:13:27 PM
Hi Tom,

I think that if you post your designs here they will be safeguarded by our community (at overunity.com). This way it will not hidden away from all of us, but also there are so many brilliant people here with so many skills that it will no doubt be developed to it's ultimate capability.

So, in my humble opinion, if I were you, I would post the details of your research here for safekeeping and further development by the community.

Regards,

Mike

I think it's too late for this....it sounds like Tom already sold out.

If true, then he probably is legally bound not to disclose anything about it. Too bad.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: karl on November 18, 2007, 09:44:51 PM
Hallo Thomas,
so ist's recht. Das ist nicht der richtige Weg.
Wenns der richtige Weg w?re dann raushauen unter einem ganz anderen Aspekt und keine Diskussionen und Namen.
Dieses Katz und Mausspiel hier ging noch nie gut.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hansvonlieven on November 18, 2007, 10:03:29 PM
Tach Thomas,

Bitte schau dir mal die Diskussion ueber Stubblefield an in "earth battery experiments" Hier reden wir ueber Energiestroemungen die dich wahrscheinlich interessieren. Was ich von dir gerne wissen moechte, die Energie die du da anzapfst, ist die Gleichstrom oder gibr es da Schwingungen. Und wenn ja, welche Frequenz?

G'day Tom,

Please have a look at the discussion about Stubblefield in "earth battery experiments". Here we are talking about energy flows that might interest you. What I would like to know from you, is the energy you are tapping into a direct current or are there oscillations? If yes, what frequency?

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tao on November 18, 2007, 10:25:45 PM
Hello all: After swimming in warm water (thermal bath) i want to answer for some of Questions here.
Well, in reality i?m not very interrestet in peace, freedom ans some other ethic questions.
Live showed me, that it is only important to keep peace in the own house. :P
We tryed a lot with great Companys, political assholes and some real "good friends" with very religious ideas, but absolutely no technical Background.
When i made my great travels in 2006 and partwise in 2007, i saw a lot of this beautyful Planet, but it doesn?t matter where you go, everywhere you will find war, twilight and cruel.

I can swear you, that even the best invention will not make peace and freedom, and as i saw, the people are only interrestet to make money and you can believe me: Nobody wants to install Pyramides to solve energy-problems in this world.

The best offers we got from people wich only wants to bring the technology behind fat walls!

Thats the only true, and this is what made me a little carefully.

Of Course, the storys that we sold our invention in 2006 where true. But the Contract was broken from the other Side.
(It was written to provide this technologie and it was written, that the puplic will be informend about every Step.)

But what happened really?: Everything was top secret, and on the end, the nice guys told me, that they found out: there was no function anytime!..... But they cashed nice and brave more than 390.000 Euros in little portions for more than a year....

Well, we took the Contract to Judgement, and we won the right about our "Non functioned invention".
Now the other side was going to the Judge, because they found a function this Summer....

(This is like Children-Play)

Meanwhile, i am allowed to speak, and i will speak. But i don?t know, how i will make it right this time...

Maybe we will only communicate with Universitys, to find out where this power is coming from...
(But you will find no University for that Theme :-(

Maybe you have some idea, to solve this problem....

Maybe it would be really a good idea, to provide all plans here in the Internet, but what happens, if we do this????
believe me, the planet will not become more friendly...
Nice greeting
Tom


I spent over $50 trying to rebuild your pyramid Thomas, and I even searched the world looking for why your pyramid would work.

My research led to me to associates which I have since contacted many times via emails and such. One is a Phd and the other a theoretical physicist that a top university.

You can find SOME of their work here: http://www.gizapyramid.com/DrV-article.htm

The theoretical physicist's name is, VOLODYMYR  KRASNOHOLOVETS
The other gentleman runs gizapyramid.com, John DeSalvo

I shall post the emails at a later date, but once they gentlemen say your device when I presented your works to them they got VERY excited. Volodymyr in an email explained to me exactly hows your pyramid works, based on his INERTIONS theory. He could see exactly how your device operates, using the magnet to activate and everything.

These men have done YEARS of EXPERIMENTAL research to back their findings and are truly and genuinely helpful.

I would also like to mention one other thing Thomas. You say that releasing the plans for your device won't bring peace and that a lot of people just want to bury the knowledge of it, well I can assure you that if you released your device on OU.com or a forum akin to this like gn0sis.com or the like, EVERYONE would be doing replications, and I GUARANTEE that if their replications WORK, then they WOULD be using them to power their homes, and they would in turn tells their friends and their friends would tell their friends, and it would spread like a virus and that alone should be worth everything! By releasing the info, without trying to get $, which you already got, you could easily help thousands of lives!I know many people in the free energy community who are just able to pay their energy bills and who desperately need assistance and FE in their lives and so they come on the internet everyday looking and hoping for that next disclosure or discovery. So, please think about everyone involved when you consider holding back construction details. There is always OPEN SOURCE too.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Micha on November 18, 2007, 10:49:24 PM
Hallo Thomas ,hier noch ein Gedanken der Dich auf der Frage nach einer Erkl?rung ?ber den Ursprung der von Dir entdeckten Phenomene  nicht wirklich weiterbringt ,aber vielleicht dennoch interessant sein d?rfte .In dem Buch , es hei?t Gespr?che mit Seth , Erstausgabe Anfang der 70er, steht im Ansatz einiges ?ber Deine Beobachtungen , zumindest im weiteren Sinne .
Laut Seth gibt es auf der Erde einige wenige sogenannte Hauptkoordinationspunkte und weiter sehr viele Unterkoordinationspunkte , diese stellen Schnittpunkte verschiedener Realit?ten dar : Diese Schnittpunke sind unter anderem eine Konzentration von Energie , die sich wiederum in einigen physischen und auch psychischen Dingen ?u?ert , wie zb.deutlich h?here Kreativit?t der darin lebenden Menschen , l?ngere Lebensdauer der sich darin  befindlichen Bauwerke .Messbar auch in einer leicht abweichenden g              Konstanten .Genannte Hauptkoordinationspunkte sind in ?gypten Gizeh,S?damerika Tenochtitl?ns, und auch New York .
Die Unterkoordinationspunkte lassen sich mathematisch herleiten ,zumindest wird das so behauptet . Die math.Hergehenswiese wird nicht genannt , wahrscheinlich vorrausgesetzt .
Interessante ist  ,das Du eventuell eine Apparatur entwickelt hast mit der sich Uk.. lokalisieren lassen , und es sich vielleicht sogar noch Energie gewinnen lie?e .GuteSache bleib dran und halte uns auf dem laufenden .

For the English.
talking about a book from the earlie 70s called Talks with Seth , and he is explaining  that there are a couple of koordination points and sub koordination points all over the world . One is in Gizeh and South America Tenochtitl?ns also New York is one . The difference in the K points is that there is a lot of energie ,usefull as more kreativity fore the human beeings, also there is a differences in the gravitation . The nature of the points is a crosing of realities , if you are thinking that this
sounds esoterical , yes you are right , but why not .The EXOTERIC will not give us the surched answers
Sorry for the bad english
Micha
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hansvonlieven on November 18, 2007, 11:04:44 PM
G'day Micha and all,

Software for the calculation of grid points is available here   http://www.worldgrid.net/Software/GridpointAtlas.htm

It's expensive though.

Developed by Bruce Cathie.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Micha on November 18, 2007, 11:18:35 PM
Hallo Hans ,
bin ja wirklich ?berrascht wo Du Dich ?berall auskennst .!!!
Deine Vita w?rde mich ja schon mal interessieren , auf Deiner Seite ist ja nicht viel zu erfahren .
Gru? aus der alten Heimat
Micha
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hansvonlieven on November 18, 2007, 11:22:56 PM
Hallo Hans ,
bin ja wirklich ?berrascht wo Du Dich ?berall auskennst .!!!
Deine Vita w?rde mich ja schon mal interessieren , auf Deiner Seite ist ja nicht viel zu erfahren .
Gru? aus der alten Heimat
Micha

Meine Vita lass ich absichtlich aus dem Spiel, ich will dass Leute meine Arbeit beurteilen, nicht mein Leben :-)

Gruss aus Australien

Hans
Title: IMPORTANT UPDATE !
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 19, 2007, 09:56:30 AM
Hello all:
First of all, i want to thank all the people here for the serious speak in this forum.
(I could tell you from older times and other forums..)

So i am happy, that  i found this community here.

But some of the old problems are still alive. Plenty of Contacts and plenty of Questions.
(Well, this is absolutely normal, but it could give some conflicts because i have a Job, and not too much time under the week)

The last two years showed us, that it is impossible to find a fair industrie for marketing this idea.
So i think, it will be the best, to swap the invention here in the Internet.

We will start in the first week of december to give you a detailed step by step Plan to construct pyramides everywhere in the world.
And everybody with a little feeling in Technic and Tools should be able to construct his own pyramide.
So everybody can proof the System, and maybe we can construct a small Community, where everybody is able to help the others...

I will construct a pyramide with plenty of pictures, measures, and so we can make it togehter and Online.
Its also possible to find some area in the Internet, where we can discuss problems and sucsess in a kind of Forum.

This will stop all problems with marketing, nobody will be the great Star, and so we have a good tool against all kind of Fakers.

Nobody can tell the world, that he is the great inventor of this idea, because it is fully opened in the Internet.
And maybe, we can show the Industry the long finger, because they can?t put the Idea into the grave...

I know, this is not in the interest of a few guys here, but it is the best for the great mass....
yours sincerely
Thomas Trawoeger

PS. We will broadcast all the news, and the location of our Project here just in Time!...
So please stop to  ask me for Plans and Datails. You have my word, that you will get it.
We only want to make it secure, and without any problems with any laws....
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: mikey on November 19, 2007, 11:24:58 AM
Hi Thomas,

That's absolutely great news!! Together as a community we can and we will make a difference!!

Regards,

Mike
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 19, 2007, 12:24:11 PM
Hallo Thomas,
alles Gute hier f?r Dein "Unterfangen".
Lass Dich nicht wiederholt stoppen (Febr 2007)  durch
"Angebote", denn die Gr?nde sind oft "hinterh?ltig".
LG Gustav
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: karl on November 19, 2007, 01:09:18 PM
This is like christmas,
Thomas many thanks for your tune in.
Here a few Links with datas about this task.
Something for the warm evenings bofore we start:
Basic Informations
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Pyramidal_Electric_Transducer
Grandics paper
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Pyramid/GrandicsIE73.pdf
Grandics patent
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,974,110.PN.&OS=PN/6,974,110&RS=PN/6,974,110

Frohes Schaffen
Karl
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: karl on November 19, 2007, 01:17:12 PM
Here is again a link to Thomas's information side:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Pyramid_Power:Thomas_Trawoger

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 19, 2007, 01:27:53 PM
This is like christmas,
Thomas many thanks for your tune in.
Here a few Links with datas about this task.
Something for the warm evenings bofore we start:
Basic Informations
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Pyramidal_Electric_Transducer
Grandics paper
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Pyramid/GrandicsIE73.pdf
Grandics patent
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,974,110.PN.&OS=PN/6,974,110&RS=PN/6,974,110

Frohes Schaffen
Karl
@Karl

Der letzte Link  (Patent)
auf Google , mit Bildern , auch als PDF (abspeicherbar)
Gruss
Pese

http://www.google.de/patents?id=tncUAAAAEBAJ&dq=6,974,110
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: z_p_e on November 19, 2007, 02:27:18 PM
Just curious Thomas,

It's great that you are, but why are you here?

From your last website letter you clearly state that this invention is now a closed topic, and you can not discuss much about it.

Believing that this company that clearly now has control over your invention will eventually release it to the public in one form or the other, is quite naive....it hasn't happened yet, and there have been several similar occurances like this in the past with other inventions and discoveries.

I'm afraid that as long as you have handed over control of your discovery to some industrial interest, your invention will never see the light of day.

Disclosing your invention publicly would have been the fastest and surest way of seeing it becoming developed in efficiency and scale, and for it to stay in the public domain.

Alas, it is but too late.

Steven Mark's TPU is a perfect example of what happens when you hand over the technology (for token payment) to a company that convinces you your discovery will be developed and marketed.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tao on November 19, 2007, 03:33:14 PM
Just curious Thomas,

It's great that you are, but why are you here?

From your last website letter you clearly state that this invention is now a closed topic, and you can not discuss much about it.

Believing that this company that clearly now has control over your invention will eventually release it to the public in one form or the other, is quite naive....it hasn't happened yet, and there have been several similar occurances like this in the past with other inventions and discoveries.

I'm afraid that as long as you have handed over control of your discovery to some industrial interest, your invention will never see the light of day.

Disclosing your invention publicly would have been the fastest and surest way of seeing it becoming developed in efficiency and scale, and for it to stay in the public domain.

Alas, it is but too late.

Steven Mark's TPU is a perfect example of what happens when you hand over the technology (for token payment) to a company that convinces you your discovery will be developed and marketed.


He said that a company did have control over his pyramid, but that company didn't have ANY plans to commercialize his pyramid technology and decided to try to just bury his pyramid technology, which was against their agreement. So, Thomas and company took them to court and won. So, now there is NO agreements and there is NO company that can bury his pyramid technology. So, it isn't like the TPU.

Title: Re: IMPORTANT UPDATE !
Post by: tao on November 19, 2007, 03:41:21 PM
Hello all:
First of all, i want to thank all the people here for the serious speak in this forum.
(I could tell you from older times and other forums..)

So i am happy, that  i found this community here.

But some of the old problems are still alive. Plenty of Contacts and plenty of Questions.
(Well, this is absolutely normal, but it could give some conflicts because i have a Job, and not too much time under the week)

The last two years showed us, that it is impossible to find a fair industrie for marketing this idea.
So i think, it will be the best, to swap the invention here in the Internet.

We will start in the first week of december to give you a detailed step by step Plan to construct pyramides everywhere in the world.
And everybody with a little feeling in Technic and Tools should be able to construct his own pyramide.
So everybody can proof the System, and maybe we can construct a small Community, where everybody is able to help the others...

I will construct a pyramide with plenty of pictures, measures, and so we can make it togehter and Online.
Its also possible to find some area in the Internet, where we can discuss problems and sucsess in a kind of Forum.

This will stop all problems with marketing, nobody will be the great Star, and so we have a good tool against all kind of Fakers.

Nobody can tell the world, that he is the great inventor of this idea, because it is fully opened in the Internet.
And maybe, we can show the Industry the long finger, because they can?t put the Idea into the grave...

I know, this is not in the interest of a few guys here, but it is the best for the great mass....
yours sincerely
Thomas Trawoeger

PS. We will broadcast all the news, and the location of our Project here just in Time!...
So please stop to  ask me for Plans and Datails. You have my word, that you will get it.
We only want to make it secure, and without any problems with any laws....


I couldn't be any happier to see this Thomas!

Please don't be discouraged by anyone who would speak bad about you or your technology, or people that are very skeptical of your technology.

I am very happy that you have chosen to Open Source your pyramid technology. Even if all you wanted to show us was a smaller pyramid that only put out a few Watts, that would make EVERYONE here, the true free energy researchers, SO HAPPY, because we could finally have a concrete example of a working free energy device! This alone is worth more than anything in the world. To be able to have a device that we build from your instructions in our hands would mean the world to us!

I assure you, you will certainly be known as the true inventor of this technology, even when you release it for the world to see.

You have no idea how much this would mean to me, that you would so generously release the details of your technology, this is a truly courageous thing!

I patiently await the first week of December. This will be a Holiday to remember...

Thank you Thomas!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: mikey on November 19, 2007, 03:58:34 PM

I totally agree with you TAO!!

Regards,

Mike
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: z_p_e on November 19, 2007, 06:20:34 PM
Thanks for bringing me up to speed. Apologies to Thomas.

Glad to see he was able to win his technology back from their clutches.

Looking forward to seeing some details.
Title: Be carefull, Thomas
Post by: Tigrotto on November 19, 2007, 06:44:57 PM
Hi Thomas,
I'm kindly advising you to be carefull in sgaring the information about your GREAT offer you'll do for the "Free Energy Community of Researchers".
I mean:
You told us everybody that at the beginning of December you'll start to disclose all about your invention.
I don't like to be persone preventing you to do this.
I imagine between us, men having hobby the pyramids, there are not persons thinking in a different manner!
Beware of politicians !
It sounds like a joke what i'm saying here , but... could happens.
My advise is ( and aplogize because I dared to give you an advise!):
Limit your Forum "exits" to a limited number of Forums!
It's up to you deciding!
Ovidiu Petria ( Italy)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 19, 2007, 06:47:19 PM
Well Guys, so we will do it :-)
i reserved a special Website (small and secure), and i will give you the Link as soon as we can put in the Content.

There are only 3 Questions:
1.) My english is a little poor, and so we have to decide, if we provide the Info in english or in german.
(any comments?)

2.)Is it possible to check the personality of a websiteuser without Credit-Card or something else?
(we want to give access only to real persons <fake-defense>)
(any comments?)

3.) Is there any idea to hold my impressum silent, Phone and Mail got a little stressy the last hours....
(impressums are necessary to hold a website legal, bur i know from older times the negative sides of this..)

yours sincerely
Tom
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: starcruiser on November 19, 2007, 07:10:27 PM
Good questions Thomas,

You might want to understand that false identities can be made up, even with credit cards and the like, so how can this really work?

I vote for english, but that is because I do not speak or read German! if the vast majority want German, I guess I will need to use a translator program or site.

these are my thoughts, comments. I am looking forward to seeing your site and the info to allow me to perform a replication. Good Luck.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: dean_mcgowan on November 19, 2007, 07:14:55 PM
ummm .. your going to release the information to open source .. but .. you are going to have a credit card validation ... and you are going to release the information bit by bit .. not as a whole plan ... all i can say is.. whaa hahaahahaha ... scam !!!!!!!!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Dansway on November 19, 2007, 07:16:14 PM
Hi Thomas,

I would recommend you do two things.

A)  Continue with your plans for the website disclosure (hopefully in English)

B) At the same time give all information you wish to disclose to someone like Stefan Hartmann here at Overunity.com

Many of us here at OU.com can build your pyramid and have all the tools to do it.
Also, time is very important now that you have made your intentions known to disclose how to make your pyramid generator. Many thanks to you Thomas!

Regards,

Dan
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: dean_mcgowan on November 19, 2007, 07:17:23 PM
i cannot imagine how the language would be relevant in a concise set of technical drawings ???
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 19, 2007, 08:26:55 PM
Hi everybody,
My opinion is :
1. Language: Let Thomas decide upon. I dare to ask him to give both languages if this will be not a great task for him. All of us will start from the same line!!!
Stefan Hartmann it looks like to have a much better English!!! Maybe could help you to translate! Not offens, Thomas!
2. I propose a method of "registration " directly at Thomas. I think about this and the final method i'll let you know this evening ( night). Limited number of persons ( decided by Thomas himself), otherwise, Thomas will really "collapse" under the pressure of questions!!!
3. None will be allowed to write to Thomas, but only among us.
Thomas will have a "buffer person" ( why not Stefan Hartmann !) gathering questions of the same content and periodically will ask you.
Comments?
Moreover, what is the Thomas's opinion!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tao on November 19, 2007, 08:33:27 PM
Well Guys, so we will do it :-)
i reserved a special Website (small and secure), and i will give you the Link as soon as we can put in the Content.

There are only 3 Questions:
1.) My english is a little poor, and so we have to decide, if we provide the Info in english or in german.
(any comments?)

2.)Is it possible to check the personality of a websiteuser without Credit-Card or something else?
(we want to give access only to real persons <fake-defense>)
(any comments?)

3.) Is there any idea to hold my impressum silent, Phone and Mail got a little stressy the last hours....
(impressums are necessary to hold a website legal, bur i know from older times the negative sides of this..)

yours sincerely
Tom



Thomas, this sounds great!

1. I would prefer in English, myself, but I could always use software to translate from German if need be.

2. It will be hard to verify a real person, since so many things can be faked, even credit cards. I don't think that credit cards would be a good idea because many people just won't join because of it. Personally, I am willing to do whatever it takes. Paypal could always be used. I could for instance PayPal you $1 and with this, you could verify my personal information. It isn't perfect, but it does save us from having to hand out credit card information or something like that. I understand that you have seen a lot of fakes and people selling fake devices based on your work and that is not right, so I understand why you want to first only release your detailed construction plans to REAL PEOPLE. So, I am with you in this Thomas, whatever it takes!

3. Do you mean that a lot of people tried to call you and mail you and you wish to now minimize this? I suggest that you keep your new secure site without much information on the pages for contact, don't put email or phone information anywhere on the site, perhaps just have a login screen for the site's opening page. Then, on the secure pages, you can place some of this information.


I look forward to working with you on replications Thomas!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on November 19, 2007, 08:34:52 PM

Hi Thomas,


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i reserved a special Website (small and secure), and i will give you the Link as soon as we can put in the Content.

I'm not sure what you mean by small website.

You certainly want to consider your bandwidth and the load the server may encounter. I suspect news of this will spread like wildfire and you may end up with many people hitting the website.

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1.) My english is a little poor, and so we have to decide, if we provide the Info in english or in german.
(any comments?)

I have not had any problems understanding what you have written. I also hope you will choose english.


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2.)Is it possible to check the personality of a websiteuser without Credit-Card or something else?
(we want to give access only to real persons <fake-defense>)
(any comments?)

I agree with starcruiser, it is almost impossible to validate identity. You might require real user names rather than aliases, but again there is no assurance as to the real identity.


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3.) Is there any idea to hold my impressum silent, Phone and Mail got a little stressy the last hours....
(impressums are necessary to hold a website legal, bur i know from older times the negative sides of this..)

Sounds like a messy situation.

State that you will only respond through the website and emails will be deleted.

Change your phone number and give it out only to trusted individuals.


Regards,

-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: dean_mcgowan on November 19, 2007, 09:49:31 PM
Thomas,

Overunity.com is a perfetly good website .. why not post the information here ?

Why do you need your own website ?

Regards,

Dean
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: starcruiser on November 19, 2007, 10:00:46 PM
I think the small group to do the first replications then have those ppl provide support to the next group, this would reduce the work load on Thomas.

Since Thomas already has a patent and/or has published his work, he can open source and still retain his rights to it.

I for one am more interested in reproducing it (want to see it work!) and then see what we can do to expand on it. We all need this and we all should contribute, that is my .02
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 19, 2007, 10:05:45 PM
I agreed with Dean,
However, skeptics, politiciens , I think never loose time surfing on sites like overunity.com. All of us , I think, know what they think about us!!!
Another reason for Dean's idea is this:
A special site dealing with "overunity systems " would have "no reason" to exist from the point of view of peoples. Many of them will simply not follow it fearing from "scamming", time wastening,and so on...
Instead of this, if Thomas would post the documentation here at Overunity, he will be sure that his ideas will be wellcome .
All of us maybe will successfully replicate the idea.
Many of us will be share the idea to the relatives, friends, and so on .
Some of them will try to improve it ( if Thomas didn't till now(!)), however, I think this is the right place for this .
Just an opinion!
Dr. Ovidiu Petria
(Italy)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on November 19, 2007, 10:12:51 PM

Hi Thomas,

I would like to add some additional thoughts.

I think your goal is to get help achieving greater power output from the device and to discover/understand the principle by which it works.

Is there really a need to control access to the information?

You will have many people working to achieve your primary goals.

If you release the info and let it go unrestricted, then you will not have to be concerned with maintaining control which will result in less stress and your energies can go in a productive direction.


Regards,

-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hansvonlieven on November 19, 2007, 10:16:12 PM
@ Tigrotto

I think you would have a great surprise if you found out just what kind of people are keeping an eye on a site like this, just in case one of us "nuts" comes up with something that upsets the apple cart.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on November 19, 2007, 10:23:15 PM
Hi thomas,
I got no probleme with the language but why you dont let the people veryfi from stefan hartmann he knows all the real people and start with a small group maybe only 10 to 20 people with a own login and see whats happen you can expand this group later on. from own expirience I know how many will just start discussion and nothing will be achieved to realy experiementing for results.
just my thought
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 19, 2007, 10:26:00 PM
Hallo Thomas.
Klar , wenn Du in einem Englischem Forum , nach der
Sprache fragst , dass die Leute alle Englisch vorziehen.
Kreditkartendaten im Internet , das will sicherlich niemand.
Scan vom Ausweis ? F?hrerschein ? Aber das n?tzt auch
nichts, wenn das fremde Papiere sind ...  was dann?

Sprache m es wird Dinge geben die Du in Deutsch
"ausdr?cken" kannst aber garnicht (oder schlecht) ins englische
mit empfundenen  Sinn zu ?bertragen sind .
Speziell diese "Phrasen" sollten dann auch in Deutsch zugef?gt sein,
bei Unklarheiten kann jeder mit seinen Editor sich dann helfen.
F?r Deutsche , "verkorkste" Englischtexte in Deutsche zu ?bersetzen
macht solche Texte "ungeniessbar"
Gustav Pese

Google translator is only an help IF YOU UNDERSTAND GERMAN
because Google will swap most word to  rubbish
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 19, 2007, 10:39:57 PM
Hi everybody,
1. Could you let us know a good "internet translation machine" please? Something better however, than Google!!!
We have here people doesn't understanding German. It should be a frustration for us , taking part from a forum but...unable to understand! Thank you.
2. I think also the best idea could be that for a limited number of persons. The information will be much more easily transferred from Thomas to them. Otherwise, being 200 person on a website, it's impossible for Thomas answering to all of them. However, it's up to Thomas decided about this!
3. Alternative : A small website, without Forum, but supplying ALL the information one need to replicate.
This have to be fully possible by Thomas. HE'S THE ONLY ONE PERSON ABLE TO DO THIS, I MEAN TO GIVE ONLY ESSENTIAL INFORMATION, WITHOUT DOUBTS.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hansvonlieven on November 19, 2007, 10:44:51 PM
There is no such thing as a good mechanical translator.

I have offered Thomas to do the translations for him. If there is a lot of material I am certain there are others that would help as well.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Another Update
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 19, 2007, 11:10:39 PM
Hello friends..
There are some real good news for all the nice people here.

First of all, i decided to provide the Site in english. (It?s a good deal to increase my skill :-)
The Website is ready for the start, and the Domain is:  www.trawoeger-pyramide.info

There are 3 important things in it:
1.) The fully description of our V6 ( in german, with old handmade schematics) but very easy to construct, and very impressive at work :-)
2.) A special Forum with a very kinky idea. I will make my V 14 Online with you, and we will document every Step, so it should work everywhere.
In this topic-related Forum we can discuss all the Problems, and it should be possible to find out, what happens inside.
3.) In the next days, i want to invite some people to help me with this Project. The onliest thing to earn is honour, but i am shure, i will get these guys. (Please don?t mess my PM with offers, because i have choosen these guys  month ago)

It?s not necessary for anybody to call me a cheater. If you are clever enough, you can construct the pyramide only with the description on my website.
You don?t get bit by bit, because everything is is postet YET!!!

ATTENTION:
Please do not register in the Forum. The Forum is still under construction, and your registration would be without value.
I will tell you, if the Forum is opened!
Thanks, and have nice days
Thomas

"Es geht mir am Arsch vorbei, ob man mir glaubt oder nicht. Ich muss mir nichts mehr beweisen, und ich f?hre ein sch?nes Leben."
Ernest Hemingway
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: z_p_e on November 19, 2007, 11:31:58 PM
Thanks for the Plan6 Thomas.

I have an expensive German-English translator, so unless someone else is already doing this, I'll run the Plan6 text through and post it here.

Perhaps Stefan could re-post the 3 pages of diagrams (the pdf files) with English notation to complement the translated text?

Cheers,
Darren
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Freezer on November 20, 2007, 01:05:31 AM
Thanks for the Plan6 Thomas.

I have an expensive German-English translator, so unless someone else is already doing this, I'll run the Plan6 text through and post it here.

Perhaps Stefan could re-post the 3 pages of diagrams (the pdf files) with English notation to complement the translated text?

Cheers,
Darren

You can use google translate.

http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trawoeger-pyramide.info%2Fproject%2Findex.html&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on November 20, 2007, 01:27:55 AM

From the trawoeger-pyramide News Page:

If there are some bad guys out there, it doesn?t Matter. You can?t stop this process anymore.

Dear Industry, you can?t stop this anymore
Kisses from the warm.. ;D



I Love It!!!!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: z_p_e on November 20, 2007, 03:38:06 AM
Freezer,

Back a few posts, someone mentioned that it would be good to get translation without having to use Google, presumably because Google's translator does a poor job. Pay attention mate.

I have a real translation program, but then again, maybe I'll just keep it to myself ;)

Cheers
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Freezer on November 20, 2007, 03:46:38 AM
Freezer,

Back a few posts, someone mentioned that it would be good to get translation without having to use Google, presumably because Google's translator does a poor job. Pay attention mate.

I have a real translation program, but then again, maybe I'll just keep it to myself ;)

Cheers

I was just suggesting using google for the time being before you post your translation.  ;)  I'm sure your translation will be better, and I hope you can post it.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on November 20, 2007, 06:23:40 AM
Hi Thomas,
I can surely help translating stuff into English
when I get the time to do it.

I now had a look at your Text of the V6 version

http://www.trawoeger-pyramide.info/project/index.html

and I see:
copperpipe, saltwater, sand and graphite.

This gives an galvanic cell and can produce around
1Volts DC voltage with a few milliamps.

So how much voltage and current do you get with your pyramid ?

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
P.S. Yes, you could verify the names via a small PayPal
transfer.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on November 20, 2007, 07:28:17 AM
Mr Trawoeger....
Compliments for the choose to share your findings with people..
I'm happy to verify that you are a good person.


I can see your drawings and to me it resemble a sort of fluxgate magnetometer.
See its working at:http://www.earthsci.unimelb.edu.au/ES304/MODULES/MAG/NOTES/fluxgate.html

Regards.
Pegasus
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 20, 2007, 08:02:43 AM
Hallo Stefan (Sorry for the german Text, but I?m a little busy)

Zun?chst darf ich auch zu Dir mal herzlich "Hallo" sagen. Du bist mir ja schon mal vor Jahren im Web begegnet.

Nun, die V6 war eigentlich die erste wirklich brauchbare Pyramide, und liefert ca. 8-9 Volt bzw. bei guten Bedingungen knapp 10 Watt. ganz wichtig an der Sache ist, dass die Grafitelektroden nicht im Salzwasser stehen. (Wenn zu viel Wasser drin ist gibts 0 Leistung)
Ich dachte zuerst auch, dass es besser w?re, wenn die Innenzelle mit Salzwasser voll ist, aber erst nach den beiden Bohrungen fing das Ding langsam an zu laufen.

Ich habe bereits einige Mails erhalten, wo denn hier nun die Magneten abgeblieben sind :-)
(Im Video hat der Magnet eine gro?e Rolle gespielt)

Nun, die war eigentlich eine damals n?tige R?ckversicherung gegen unseren damaligen Klagsgegner aus der Schweiz.
(Vielleicht erinnern sich die alten Hasen hier, dass mir damals ein Schweizer per einstw. Verf?gung die Pr?sentation der Pyramide verbieten wollte.)
Naja, und es hat ja auch gut funktioniert, da sogar Herr Nagel in seinem Fake den Magneten benutzte :-)
(So war immer sofort klar, ob jemand etwas ernstzunehmendes gebaut hat, oder einfach nur aufsehen erregen wollte)

Wir beginnen nun im Internet (ich hoffe, dass wir in der ersten Dezemberwoche anfangen k?nnen) eine neue Pyramide zu bauen, und ich lade alle Leute aus der ganzen Welt dazu ein, mit mir gemeinsam zu arbeiten.

Die V14 wird ca. 19 Volt bringen, und sollte zwischen 22-25 Watt abgeben k?nnen.
(Ich wei?, das sit nicht die Welt, aber ich will das Ding ja nicht alzu gro? machen, da es noch durch T?ren passsen soll)

Ich m?chte dazu auch ein paar wirklich ?ber jeden Zweifel erhabene Leute einladen, das ganze Projekt zu monitoren.

Ich gehe jetzt davon aus, dass wir Anfang Dezember ca. 100 Bastler weltweit sein werden, und habe mir auch schon einen kleinen (ideellen) Preis f?r den ersten Leistungsnachweis einfallen lassen.

Wenn diese Pyramiden dann hoffentlich alle laufen, werden wir uns ganz gem?tlich dar?ber Gedanken machen, wo diese Energie wirklich herkommt.

?brigens wurde ja auch schon Kritik ?ber meine Website laut. Keine Angst, der Server ist Sicher, und durch ein Netzwerk an Mirrors gut gesch?tzt. Die Bandbreite ist den Umst?nden entsprechend ausreichend, so dass wir auch gr??ere Videos auflegen k?nnen.

ich m?chte hier auch gleich die ersten Einladungen f?r eine interne Mitarbeit aussprechen:
Herr Pese, in Ihrem Fall w?rde ich mich wirklich freuen, wenn Sie zumindest virtuell in unser Team stossen, da ich Sie nun mittlerweile zwar schon sehr lange lesend kenne, aber Ihre aufrichtige und menschliche art sehr sch?tze.

Herr Hartmann Nun, bei Ihnen liegt der Fall ja wirklich klar, und m?glicherweise kann es im deutschsprachigen Raum niemand besseren geben. Sie sind f?r mich der objektive, sachliche und menschliche Ruhepol vieler deabatten hier im Netz.

(Ich werde mich mit Ihnen nat?rlich noch gesondert in verbindung setzen)

Des Weiteren stehe ich noch jemanden von Secret.tv im Wort, und werde ?ber die verantwortlichen dort ein altes Versprechen einl?sen. Hier geht es darum, einen kleinen Film ?ber die Pyramide zu drehen.

Die weiteren Crew-Mitglieder habe ich bereits im Auge, und werde mich zur gegebenen Zeit ?ffentlich an diese wenden.

Wir ben?tigen nat?rlich zwingend gute ?bersetzer von D nach E

lg, Thomas




Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 20, 2007, 08:33:22 AM
@Thomas

Sehr geehrter Herr Traw?ger,
ich bedanke mich f?r diese "Extra-Einladung"
und hoffe hier auch zur Entwicklung theoretisch
wie praktisch "hinzuf?gen" zu k?nnen.
 Gustav Pese
Title: Important facts on replication of V6
Post by: Tigrotto on November 20, 2007, 12:05:26 PM
Hi Thomas,
1. Should us have also the electric circuit , please?
Due to the fact that many of us dobn't understand german, it's far more easy to take a look at circuit.
2. Then, another important point for us and for you ( again regarding V6):
Coyuld you be so kind as to indicate us those details that are important and to separe them from the others non-important.
Example of Non-important details: Maybe the height of pyramid, or maybe the diameter of Carbon rods,"und so weiter"
We talk about V6, just posted.
3. Regarding your english:
I'm not english , but I understand perfectly your English.
I hope others our Overunity friends think in the same manner on this.
We'd like you keeping speak your still good and "understandable " English.
Thanks in advance,
Phys.Dr. Ovidiu Petria
(Italy)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: freecell on November 20, 2007, 01:33:42 PM
Hallo Thomas,

ich finde es Klasse das du nun doch deine Informationen im Netz bereitstellst. Hochachtung hierf?r, da du es ja nicht leicht hattest, nach allem was ich gelesen habe.

Ich werde mal meine Homepage anpassen, da die Informationen zu deiner Erfindung nicht mehr aktuell sind :)

Auch wenn ich gerade am Jarckdevice arbeite, hoffe ich die Zeit zu finden mit deinen Angaben auch eine Pyramide nachbauen zu k?nnen.

Gr??e, freecell
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 20, 2007, 02:31:05 PM
Hi Thomas,
1. Should us have also the electric circuit , please?
Due to the fact that many of us dobn't understand german, it's far more easy to take a look at circuit.
2. Then, another important point for us and for you ( again regarding V6):
Coyuld you be so kind as to indicate us those details that are important and to separe them from the others non-important.
Example of Non-important details: Maybe the height of pyramid, or maybe the diameter of Carbon rods,"und so weiter"
We talk about V6, just posted.
3. Regarding your english:
I'm not english , but I understand perfectly your English.
I hope others our Overunity friends think in the same manner on this.
We'd like you keeping speak your still good and "understandable " English.
Thanks in advance,
Phys.Dr. Ovidiu Petria
(Italy)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on November 20, 2007, 02:36:08 PM
Anyone here expert of German linguage,is so gentle to post a readable translation of the plans of the pyramid?.In english,of course.
Thank you.

Regards,
Pegasus
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 20, 2007, 03:04:33 PM
Hy Guys,
In order to not disturb many times Thomas :
1. Did someone knows to post here the circuit of the Thomas's experiment, please? I'm ready to start but missing some pieces of puzzle...
2. Again about "our German language" knowledges :
I tried to translate using the best of internet on line dictionary: www.babylon.com ( it is downloadable for free for 7 days).
Conclusion: Even if I had some basic knowledge of german, I didn't manage to understand many important points ( from a language point of view) . Again, I didn't understand ( maybe due to my poor "German") what's the circuit diagram of the experimental setup.
3. Important technical points:
    A. What about the MAGNET ? The drawing didn't mention about it . Where   and how to support it? What kind of magnet? Everyone can be usefull?
    B. The capacitor is "closed in a cage"?
    C. The setup posted on Thomas's  new website is not identical to that showed in the famous video.
   4. Concerning points:
When replicating , we have to know ( and i repeat again) : What are those important details to take account on and what are those not very important as : size, dimensions, materials, and so on...
Just curious: What version was showed in that much-talked -about video?
    Thanks,
Ovidiu Petria
(Italy)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tao on November 20, 2007, 03:48:59 PM
Hy Guys,
In order to not disturb many times Thomas :
1. Did someone knows to post here the circuit of the Thomas's experiment, please? I'm ready to start but missing some pieces of puzzle...
2. Again about "our German language" knowledges :
I tried to translate using the best of internet on line dictionary: www.babylon.com ( it is downloadable for free for 7 days).
Conclusion: Even if I had some basic knowledge of german, I didn't manage to understand many important points ( from a language point of view) . Again, I didn't understand ( maybe due to my poor "German") what's the circuit diagram of the experimental setup.
3. Important technical points:
    A. What about the MAGNET ? The drawing didn't mention about it . Where   and how to support it? What kind of magnet? Everyone can be usefull?
    B. The capacitor is "closed in a cage"?
    C. The setup posted on Thomas's  new website is not identical to that showed in the famous video.
   4. Concerning points:
When replicating , we have to know ( and i repeat again) : What are those important details to take account on and what are those not very important as : size, dimensions, materials, and so on...
Just curious: What version was showed in that much-talked -about video?
    Thanks,
Ovidiu Petria
(Italy)



Tigrotto,

Thomas states in his last post on this thread, the one in German:
"
Ich habe bereits einige Mails erhalten, wo denn hier nun die Magneten abgeblieben sind :-)
(Im Video hat der Magnet eine gro?e Rolle gespielt)

Nun, die war eigentlich eine damals n?tige R?ckversicherung gegen unseren damaligen Klagsgegner aus der Schweiz.
(Vielleicht erinnern sich die alten Hasen hier, dass mir damals ein Schweizer per einstw. Verf?gung die Pr?sentation der Pyramide verbieten wollte.)
Naja, und es hat ja auch gut funktioniert, da sogar Herr Nagel in seinem Fake den Magneten benutzte :-)
(So war immer sofort klar, ob jemand etwas ernstzunehmendes gebaut hat, oder einfach nur aufsehen erregen wollte)
"


He is saying here that other people have recently just asked him, like you, where is the magnet and what about it?

So, Thomas says in German there that the magnet isn't needed for a working device and the magnet was only included as a rouse (a way to trick fakers and liers). He says above that by making it look like the magnet was needed in the video, he could instantly tell if later on someone was faking this device and technology, because a magnet IS NOT NEEDED. He also states that this plan worked and Mr. Nagel showed a magnet in his pyramid, which instantly showed Thomas that he was faking his technology.

Quite a genius move Thomas!


And Tigrotto, Thomas said that he will release all the further details in the next coming days, he just wanted to release that Plan v6 as soon as possible so as to secure his safety. Plus, the Plan v6 pyramid is a different one than the famous video, a variant of that video pyramid.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 20, 2007, 04:04:36 PM
ummm now this could be interesting :)

Look forward to seeing what else comes along

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Important informations
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 20, 2007, 06:16:03 PM
Hello all.
First I want to thank you for your interest and help. I am a little busy in my Job, so i can look here only in the morning, sometimes at high noon, and most on the evening.
I want to please you, to read my website carefully (specially the Rules!)

Its not allowed to post any informations in other medias. I don?t want to post in other forums, and i don?t want to diskuss with anybody in my working time. So you would do a great job, to stop swap informations about this Project in private Websites, other Forums and everywhere else.
Today i got 94 Mails! only with questions and offers. Please understand, that i can?t answer them, because i don?t have the time to do this.
It?s not possible to register in my Forum at this time, because there is no content inside, and the software is not applicated to the mirrors.
I will start the Forum Saturday or Sunday, and i have to kick all registered users, because they are not included in the Database now.
(We have more than 20 User to kick, and this is only work for nothing.)

On thge other side i had 12 Phonecalls with very clever users, wich asked me for Material-Lists, Schematics and other stupid things.
Please let me do my Job. (If i will not get rich with the Pyramides, I have to earn Money with my work :-)

To call me via Phone is only useless, and i will not communicate with these guys in future.
(This is only allowed for personally invited persons)

I got information from New Zealand. A User of this website constructed the inner part of my V6 with a output of 4,22 Volts.
(Sorry, that i can?t speak with you a full hour, because i have to work here, and i am not the personal Trainer of anybody here!)

In private Mails i got some real bad Messages, because we communicate here in English.
To all these Guys: I?m not very proud of my Nation. If you can?t speak english, learn it. I will not do the whole shit twice for your Service.

So, now i feel better :-)

You can help me to keep the Head free. Stay silent, read carefully and ask only things wich are really necessary.

(Some Guy asked me for a special machine for Welding my Pyramide. Sorry, but i am not a distibutor of Tools and Machines:-)

I hope, that anybody here can translate the schematics and my Plan (V6) It would be easier for the Community, and it would decrease my POP-Account :-)
Nice greetings
Tom.


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tao on November 20, 2007, 06:46:33 PM
I would like to re-iterate one time for all the folks reading this:

1. Don't try to call Thomas on his phone, he will give you nothing and you only trouble him by doing so.

2. Don't private message PM and don't send unsolicited emails to Thomas.

3. Wait for the forum to be up and wait for Thomas to tell us it is ok to register, he already told you all this.

4. If you have questions about Plan v6 or something like this, WAIT until Thomas officially opens the forum and announces such, then you can discuss such things there.

5. The chosen language for this whole project of Thomas's is ENGLISH, so, deal with it any way you can.

6. Leave Thomas alone and let him build the project's infrastructure and get everything ready.


Follow the above guidelines and it will be that much quicker that you can build your own TPP. The longer that you folks keep doing any of the above things, the more burden you put on Thomas and the longer it takes for all to have TPPs.


Peace.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: mikey on November 20, 2007, 07:10:07 PM
WOW!!

I've been away for a day and it feels like it's been more like a week or two!! Lots happening which is great to see!!

I must say that it concerns me that Thomas is already getting harrassed by some who do not know how to or have no concept of keeping to the rules that Thomas asked for all of us to maintain. I hope this will not continue, as it brings the rest of us in to disrepute!!

I for one will patiently await until the forum is opened by Thomas!!

And once again I find myself wholeheartedly agreeing with TAO, let the man be until he finishes everything!! Put yourself in his shoes. Would you want to be harrassed like this? I'm sure you wouldn't, just as he sure doesn't. So, please, a little bit of patience!! Are we not civilised here??

Regards,

Mike
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on November 20, 2007, 08:01:04 PM

He is saying here that other people have recently just asked him, like you, where is the magnet and what about it?

So, Thomas says in German there that the magnet isn't needed for a working device and the magnet was only included as a rouse (a way to trick fakers and liers). He says above that by making it look like the magnet was needed in the video, he could instantly tell if later on someone was faking this device and technology, because a magnet IS NOT NEEDED. He also states that this plan worked and Mr. Nagel showed a magnet in his pyramid, which instantly showed Thomas that he was faking his technology.

Quite a genius move Thomas!


And Tigrotto, Thomas said that he will release all the further details in the next coming days, he just wanted to release that Plan v6 as soon as possible so as to secure his safety. Plus, the Plan v6 pyramid is a different one than the famous video, a variant of that video pyramid.

Hi Tao, very good translation
and very genious move of Mr. Traw?ger to have no function for the magnet to see some other fakers   ;D

Well, he said, that the Version V6 produces 8 to 9 Volts and around 10 Watts.

Today the website is currently down, so I can not see again the details
and I did not save it.
He probably just works in this moment with it and has taken it down.
Well, he says, that it is important that the graphite rod is not totally embedded into the saltwater,
then the power goes down to zero...

But I guess it is some kind of galvanic action to stimulate the real power
extraction as normally a galvanic cell from copper and graphite produces only
around 0.7 to 1 Volts and only milliamps,so only power outputs in the 10 to 100 Milliwatts range
at maximum.

Just let us be patient and wait until Mr. Traw?ger has set it up all.
We have now waited about 2 years, now a few days do not matter..

Many thanks Mr. Traw?ger to comeforward now.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on November 20, 2007, 09:59:02 PM
Now Mr. Traw?ger has also published 3 schemes as PDF files here:

http://www.trawoeger-pyramide.info/project/index.html


Looks like the galvanic cell is energizing a special LC
tank circuit so the whole thing begins to oscillate and can output thus
more energy.
Although he said, that it is DC ???  when I remember correctly ?

I just only had a quick look, have to study it further.

Many thanks.

http://www.trawoeger-pyramide.info/project/index.html

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 20, 2007, 10:49:54 PM
Hi,
Waiting for Thomas 's extensive explanations , I'm curious:
Stefan, please answer to my questions if you understood this (my German is extremely low, !!!)
1. Copper frame is connected ( electrically to the pyramid frame and this is also the (+)???
2. Then, what is the (+) of the system?
3. How is connected the middle pyramid 10 foils capacitor ?
Thanks,
Dr. Ovidiu
P.S. Maybe the answer is in the German text , even if I read it attentive!!!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on November 20, 2007, 11:21:13 PM
@Tigrotto,
did you already download the 3 PDF files and had alook at the graphics ?
Then it is getting clear:



http://www.trawoeger-pyramide.info/download/skizze2.pdf
http://www.trawoeger-pyramide.info/download/skizze3.pdf
http://www.trawoeger-pyramide.info/download/skizze4.pdf
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 20, 2007, 11:38:03 PM
Hi Stefan,
I downloaded them and I studied them this is why I did those three questions:
1. Copper frame is connected ( electrically) to the pyramid frame and this is also the (+) ?
Did you read the text in German,please? I read it even if I didn't understand German, I tried to understood...
2. Then, what is the (+) of the system?
3. How is connected the middle pyramid 10 foils capacitor ?
I insist, veen if it looks simply, the missing of an electric circuit make these things not very easy.
Could you be so kind as to replay, even briefly to these questions please?
Here are why these questions are not so easy to answer :
A. Skizze2: What means 6 point? This is (+)??? Where have to be connected this 6 point of Skizze2 ?
B. Skizze2: The assembly is hanging from the top of the pyramid by means of point 3 ( see Skizze2) Should be an electric contact between this copper frame assmbly and the pyramid frame by means of (3) point hanging the assembly of the pyramid's top?
C. Look at the capacitor: Are we sure it is connected electrically between the two separate similar coils?
If the answer is YES, then take a look at SKIZZE3 : What means that German word ABGRIFF???
I think these are normal question of a person trying to replicate this system.
Thanks in advance,
Ovidiu
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on November 21, 2007, 06:06:28 AM
Point 6 is one output,
the positive output.

Have again a look at the highres picture ( click it for full size !)
at:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg4065.html#msg4065


There you can see, that the red cable comes from the iner copper hangings
and is going via the one copper plate cap to the positive output
and the other pole is fixed to the pyramid frame, which is negative
and it also goes to the other capacitor plate, which hangs there at 40 degrees down
from the copper pipes...
Hope it is clear now.
The inner copper tubing is isolated from the pyramid frame by a plastic holder.
So the positive pole is the inner left graphite rod from the copper tubbing ( position 6)
and the minuspole is the frame of the pyramid...

Pretty amazing,seems also some kind of one wire transfer
as the battery of graphite and copper powers the LC circuit in the center
but outputs only one wire from it and this might charge up the frame to the other
polarity, so that the frame gets negative potential...

Maybe it is also AC overlayed onto the DC voltage ?

Seems to be a strange circuit and setup......
but surely NEW, so no wonder nobody has yet found this,
as this surely is not wired up the "normal" way...

Well done Thomas !

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: spacetrax on November 21, 2007, 07:13:41 AM
The fact that nobody knows where the energy comes from, allows the hypothesis that it might be a higher dimensional energy that is projected into the three-dimensional space by means of quartz sand. Quartz is a well known enhancer of paranormal powers, related to higher-dimensional effects such as telekinesis, which is also caused by higher-dimensional energy projected in our three-dimansional world.
If you take the quartz sand out of the pipes, the apparatus will not work anymore, because this sand is the material which translates the energy of higher-dimensions into electrical charge.
Once the magnetic field of the Earth is concentrated and added by means of the pyramid, the creation of electro-magnetic energy begins and this is done in a known manner, with LC tank circuits.
This is a hypothesis. Just my two cents...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 21, 2007, 07:26:07 AM
Hi Stefan,
V6 is not identical to what Thomas showed in that video!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 21, 2007, 07:48:46 AM
Hello Stefan:
I will clap with my hands to give you a great applause. I think you would be able to construct my pyramide without any further idea.
Well, the thing is so easy, but some people would see the thing much too complicated :-)

Meanwhile we have another success-message from Thailand. I wonder, why the people don?t post it here.
(we have plenty of silent readers here  :D )

Special Thanks and greetings to Tao and Mikey. It?s really impossible in this moment, to answer all that Mails, and 2 Years ago, i had great problems with angry guys, wich bombed me with mail, and they got very angry, because i didn?t reply.

Well, i decided to post only in this Forum, because i took a long look to different Forums, and i can say: "This is the most serious one in my opinion" So help each other to keep it serious...

@tigrotto: If there are any problems with understanding the technic, wait till we will construct the V14 together. I will give anybody a step by step plan Online, and from starting to ending we will have done this within 14 days. If you do anything correct, we can check our measurment worldwide.
There is no great price waiting for the first one (believe me).
So if we can handle the basics, we will have a nice item standing under the Christmas Tree  ;D

@all: Stefan invited you to have patience. This is one of the best things we can do. You saw, that i have plenty of work to fill my website with Content. This will use rare time, but i will be ready till this weekend (approx. Sunday)
It?s not necessary to save every Chapter, because my website is well secured, and very intelligent mirrored. NOBODY can stop anything.
(Even the Forum is a little bit unstable, because i have some problems with mirroring the SQL. But this is, why i use a very ugly Skript phpBB. This skript is very useful, because it can be mirrored.. but i am fighting with the Setup)

GERMAN LANGUAGE: I decided to keep this language for my Project because of 2 Points.
1.) When i started my first Information wave, it needed only 5-10 days to realize, that everything i sayed was turned around. Some of the older guys know what i am saying. It needed 10 days to show me, that i am a fully idiot, a faker ore something else.
There was no culture and it was definitely the wrong Forum.

If i look to the german part of this forum, its like a mirror. So it?s not only my opinion. (i got this hint from other users too)
The english part is more serious, and the tone is definitely better. (i don?t know why)
2.) Most of the european guys (even scientists) are able to speak english, because it?s part of school. But who the fuck learns german in foreign schools? I am not very proud of my nationality, and i am not a Nationalist. I don?t wait for any honour in my Country (all austrian inventors died poor :-)

But now it?s time to go ahead with my work. it?s a little stressy in my Job the few days before Christmas....
nice greeting, Thomas

PS. You have my Word, that we bring this Project to Final  :D
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 21, 2007, 07:52:29 AM
@tigrotto: The Video shows our V6. Everything is 1:1 There was only a small Joke built in:-)
We used a Reed-Contact between the Output Circuit to prevent Faker... (and it worked great!- look to Mr. Nagel)
The Connections and the Function is 1:1 !!!!
ng, Tom
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: helmut on November 21, 2007, 11:27:37 AM
Hello Tom
I am very happy to see,how things develop.
Thanks for become a new Member.

helmut
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 21, 2007, 11:50:14 AM
Hi Thomas,
I'm a scientist like many others here, maybe!
So, this is very difficult to understand also for me.
I managed to draw the electrical circuit of V6 as I understood.
Please, check if correct.
ONLY one question : The electric POINT (E) : see electrical circuit, where have to be connected????
Thanks,
Ovidiu
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tagor on November 21, 2007, 12:12:14 PM

Please, check if correct.
ONLY one question : The electric POINT (E) : see electrical circuit, where have to be connected????


i think to the frame ?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 21, 2007, 12:28:34 PM
Hi Tagor,
Please, see attentive the electrical circuit!
One of the plates are connected to the frame . But the other  plate of the small 40? oriented capacitor( POINT E) ??????????????
If someone are sure on his opinion, please advise.
Regards,
Ovidiu
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: dean_mcgowan on November 21, 2007, 12:38:44 PM
@ Tigrotto

I think you would have a great surprise if you found out just what kind of people are keeping an eye on a site like this, just in case one of us "nuts" comes up with something that upsets the apple cart.

Hans von Lieven

Uggghh .. that is just the kind of button pushing comment that will send Heir Luftenwaffer scurrying for cover .. good work .. go steal some lollipops from babies ;)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tao on November 21, 2007, 12:50:42 PM
Special Thanks and greetings to Tao and Mikey.

Your welcome.

PS. You have my Word, that we bring this Project to Final  :D

That is all I needed to hear.... ;)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 21, 2007, 01:50:10 PM
Hi everybody,
I just posted here the electric circuit I think would be .
Please, could someone answer to my question : Where to connect point E, please?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 21, 2007, 02:57:14 PM
Hi everyboby,
In order to not have misunderstandings on V6 description::
Like many of our friends here, I'm a scientist (physicist) and I understood well what is understandable !
1. But, due to the fact that there are some details "out of common scientific logic", this is why I preffered to ask those of us that knows this maybe directly from Thomas.
this is why I drawed the electrical circuit and this is why I asked you kindly : Where to go from E-POINT?
2. Thoms said here many times asking for our patience. In the same time he posted the V6 .
I don't want to waste time if this time can be recovered, this is why I'll try these days to replicate the V6.
In order to do this  I need to know :
A. Is this circuit correct what i posted here?
B. Where comes E-POINT : At A,B,C or D???
Pretty simply questions askink no more than a few words if one knows precisely the answer, otherwise, patience.
If I'm the only one asking these two details doesn't mean I'm the only one working here. I repeat, maybe from a non-scientific point of view the things are easier to understand!
We are here to help us together. And I ask you very kindly your help.
As me, maybe others os us are trying now to replicate .
Thomas himself invited us to "transparence" , following his example.
If Thomas himself will find ten seconds to answer these questions,will be great.
I'm sure these answers are the among others answer too .However, he's the "first voice" in this Orchestra.
Thanks in advance,
Ovidiu
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on November 21, 2007, 03:07:01 PM
Well I do agree that the description of where exactly E connects to could be clearer.

But what I find more interesting is that it appears to be a fairly simple galvanic stack, like Stefan already remarked, which oscillates the building charges.
If however it were merely a case of oscillating charges that are tapped by using the coils, one would expect a form of ac or pulsed dc, but apparently the output is dc with an occasional ac spike...
Besides that, it is claimed the magnet is necessary for the circuit to work... Which is a bit odd...

Another matter of interest is the granite/quartz connection... Is is necessary to have quartz and/or granite in the pyramid base? If so, and if it needs to be granite, then what role does it play?
And why the copper tubing?

I do not find the "new" descriptions any more revealing than the previous guesstimated circuit.

mr. Trawoeger, can you please give clarity on these subjects?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: starcruiser on November 21, 2007, 03:14:54 PM
Hi everybody,
I just posted here the electric circuit I think would be .
Please, could someone answer to my question : Where to connect point E, please?


It appears that your second capacitor is wired incorrectly, the output is taken across the second capacitor. The hot side comes from the collector (hanging in the pyramid) and the ground is from the frame of the pyramid. "E" goes to "A" from what I can tell.

It appears that the 2 additional wires are for measurements. Hope this provides a bit of clarity.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 21, 2007, 03:17:09 PM
@tigrotto: Sorry, i can?t follow your problem. Your schematic is pretty nice, but where?s the problem to fix connector E?
Do you wait for the well roasted Birds flying into your open mouth?

There is only one possible point for Connection E. Try it, and you will see, I am right.

Better idea: Wait for the whole Community if we built the Pyramide together. You don?t waste time, because we have plenty of it.
(You can?t earn any honour, because there are running some pyramides in different areas <if it?s true, but i hope so>)

I will give answers to the right time for everybody at the same time.

@Koen1: Pleas read the Thread carefully. The most important things are written above.

lg, Tom
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 21, 2007, 03:23:58 PM
@tigrotto: Sorry, but your Diagram is absolutely not correct. Please edit or delete it. Nobody needs some plans with own interpretation, because there would be too much guys following this idea.
I am on the fast search for some translator for my description in english. It will declare everything.
(And if you have ?nderstood this, you can paint as much as you want)  :D
bye, Tom
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on November 21, 2007, 03:33:27 PM
"Oil closes in on $100 a barrel"
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ca88b4fe-97ec-11dc-9e08-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

I want to see the Bush face,when he will know that the petrol is no more useful.....
It will be a great personal satisfaction.... ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 21, 2007, 03:34:51 PM
Apologize to all!
I'll wait !
I didn't dare to hurt nobody here.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on November 21, 2007, 03:37:10 PM
"Oil closes in on $100 a barrel"
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ca88b4fe-97ec-11dc-9e08-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

I want to see the Bush face,when he will know that the petrol is no more useful.....
It will be a great personal satisfaction.... ;D ;D ;D

And this has what to do with the pyramid? Nothing? Ah, that explains why you posted it here... ?!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on November 21, 2007, 03:53:39 PM
Mine is little humor,whaiting the end of tyranny.  ;D
Maybe you havent calculated the conseguences of the new technology on global scale....

If the pyamids wil works,I suggest Mr.Trawoeger as winner of the Overunity Prize,just for his benevolence to the humankind...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on November 21, 2007, 04:14:51 PM
A question to Mr.Trawoeger:It is just a casuality the the Grand Gallery of the Keops pyramid have almost the same angle of of your end capacitor?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on November 21, 2007, 04:24:06 PM
http://www.rods.ru/Html/English/FrameStructure1.html

Strange use of familiar (to us) galvanic battery by ancients.....
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on November 21, 2007, 04:47:41 PM
Mine is little humor,whaiting the end of tyranny.  ;D
Maybe you havent calculated the conseguences of the new technology on global scale....

Of course I have... But to any intelligent person it is clear that oil is a dead end. That is no reason to keep pointing out that oil is excssively expensive...

Quote
If the pyamids wil works,I suggest Mr.Trawoeger as winner of the Overunity Prize,just for his benevolence to the humankind...
Well I would like to conclusively determine whether there is actual over unity going on before we do that  ;)
And it is not as if there are no other over unity devices out there already; the utilisation of environment temperature to produce a 135% c.o.p. for example in the Zaev Capacitor array (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/nzaevncp.htm), or the mini-romag generator (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/mromag.htm)...

Seems to me that we need to figure out where the energy comes from; is it tapping into the potential difference between ionosphere and earth, modulated by the 4 perpendicular axis of the pyramid antenna, and picked up by the coils around the capacitor? (as described in a research paper, I forgot the url) Does it also work in a Faraday cage? Is the magnet crucial to operation? Does the circuit also work with other oscilations (and without the pyramid)? Is the buildup of charge in the oscillating circuit similar to the experiments some people have been doing with capacitors and coils in a magnetic field (which appear to show a shorter self-charge time forthe caps), or is it specifically tailored to 'hook into' the pyramids' exact energy flow? What are the charateristics of said presumed 'energy flow' then? If this is the case, does that not mean that the energy is actually coming from the pyramid already, and that we are 'only' converting it?

The theory that ionospheric charges could generate a clock-like decaying sine wave in a coil wrapped around (or, obviously, inside) a metal pyramid due to the (self-)modulations of the electrostatic potential in the 4 perpendicular planes seems like a possibly viable explanation. But accoring to that theory to get any usefull amounts of energy one would have to build it quite large. On the other hand, the energy output of the pyramid is currently only enough to run a small fan, so it's not very much, and it might well be in line with said theory.
If that is where the pyramid draws its energy from, it is not actually an over unity device as it taps into the energy stored in the ionosphere... Just like geothermal energy is also not over unity. But yes, it might be a very usefull power source...  :)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: spacetrax on November 21, 2007, 05:18:39 PM
Hi,

you misunderstood the main point on your sketch, the salt water level is very low, so that it does NOT touch the graphit slabs. The salt water is only in the lower part of the assembly, otherwise it would be a galvanic battery, which it is not.
Cheers!

Apologize to all!
I'll wait !
I didn't dare to hurt nobody here.


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 21, 2007, 05:36:43 PM
Hi to all,
Guys, please stop these messages by means of which we create confusion.
I mean messages trying to understand how to built the experiment.
I don't speak german,I know a little bit only;  but I translated all the text . Nevertheless, even if I understood all the sentence, it still miss some information.
I dare to say ( without give the name of persons to whom I spoke this day) , even among "old forum members " there is a lot of confusion regarding important details of the setup. It's the reality that can not be made in doubt!
This lead me to the conclusion that only Thomas knows all about what he posted on his site ( V6).
Untill Thomas will explain us this missing information, let's don't "reinvent" his invention, please!
I did a mistake and I understood why. I'm an impatient person and i loose a lot in my life about this! :-[
Everyone of us are "impatient". As much we're impatient , as much we risk to create confusion. And the most important point is that Thomas don't like ( my own opinion) as we create confusion.
We risk to collapse all this great Group experiment Thomas is about to start with everyone of us, not for money, but for us and for many many others after us!
All I posted here are only my own thoughts!
Ovidiu
 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tao on November 21, 2007, 06:00:10 PM
I agree.

To everyone here trying to understand the power source or trying to already make duplications of v6, I suggest that you just PATIENTLY wait until Thomas has officially setup his website!

Plan v6 was put online to protect Thomas, and the pyramid's idea. If you feel that you can duplicate it, then go ahead, but PLEASE STOP ASKING THOMAS MORE QUESTIONS about Plan v6. The only thing that these questions do is to cause a strain on Thomas so that it will now take longer for Thomas to fill up his new website with content about v14 and setup its forum.

So, for the sake of everyone here, I ask, and Thomas asks: Please stop playing guessing games and asking all these questions. The time will come SOON when Thomas's site is complete and running, and it will be then that we can ALL work together to build the v14 pyramid from Thomas, this he has promised!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: starcruiser on November 21, 2007, 06:12:37 PM
Patiently waiting over here...
Title: Daily Update
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 22, 2007, 07:38:02 AM
Good morning Community:
I did a lot of work the last hours, and it?s a pleasure for me, to inform you about the news.

1.) The forum is kicked from our webside, because phpBB can?t run in Mirror-Mode. Now i use a very ugly, but stable Forumskript, wich fullfill all our needs, and this script can run without SQL. (Well it?s not nice to view, but it works on all mirrors)

I will open the forum at the moment of starting our Project.

2.) I want to say THANK YOU again, because now there is silence in my Mailbox, and everybody accepted my wish to give me time to do the important Basic-Work.  So I am in Plan now, and i think we could start next Monday with V14.

3.) I got some messages from silent readers here. There are also some success messages with details of running pyramides. I will please this people to spend a few words here too. (We could be a Community here, and anybody could share his success here without any problems)

4.) Important Message to Thailand (Mr. Bobby): Do you want to share your Pictures of your pyramides for the community here?
I will invite everybody, to send me pictures from your Pyramide, to show them on my website....
(i will declare them with your Copyright, of course)

5.) I need some good ideas for the last Problem. If we do our Step to Step Construction, we need a system to get the Infos from the Constructors, if they can follow the steps in my speed. So we will make a special registration for official Constructors, and we will go from step to step even we get confirmation from our officials.
If anybody want?s to become a official Constructor, you can register in a special Form.

Official Constructors get some special support off course.
To construct a pyramide is quiet easy, but you have to do some work with special tools:

You should be able to: Cut Iron and Copper -Tubes, drill holes in Iron and Copper, Weld Iron, use soldering irons, cut copper- plates,
paint metal and copper, use epoxy, aso...
We cant?t give support in these technics, and you should be familiar in this technics.

6.) The V14 will be a small Pyramide 1mtr x 1mtr, and the Goal is, to bring aproxx. 16-19 Volts. If we can get 15 watts, i would speak about success. We will compare all the Power-Datas from all Constructors to get the average.
So i want to please you, to hold all measurements to get a proper result.

7.) I please every Constructor to stay true trough the whole Construction-Process. It?s not usefull if we get phantastic results from some pyramides, because they will make the average unserious. (I hope, that there are no children outside)

8.) I will say it permanently: Everybody is responsible for his own security. I will give to guarantee to any time, and some works could be dangereous. I am not responsible for all kind of accident. Construction of a pyramide could be dangerous, and you are working with electricity. So everybody is responsible for his own security!!! If you are not familiar with the needed tools, don?t try to construct a pyramide!

Have a nice day
Thomas

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 22, 2007, 07:56:26 AM
Hi Thomas,
I want to be one of the special Constructors and to help you .
What could I do?
You told about a special Form registration.
Thanks,
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: passion1 on November 22, 2007, 08:44:01 AM
Hi Thomas

I commend you for what you are doing!
If possible, I would also like to be a constructor.
Do you want to start Monday the 26 November or 3 December?

Regards

Passion1
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 22, 2007, 09:10:24 AM
@passion1:
We want to start next monday. I will check my new garage today. (I don?t want to make the V14 at home :-).
nice greetings for today
Tom
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: mikey on November 22, 2007, 12:13:59 PM

Special Thanks and greetings to Tao and Mikey.

PS. You have my Word, that we bring this Project to Final  :D




Hi Thomas,

You're very welcome. It was the least I could do.

Great news!! I look forward to building your pyramids together!!

Which leads me to ask, if it's possible, I would also like to be registered as a constructor.

Many thanks and best regards,

Mike
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on November 22, 2007, 12:35:58 PM
Thomas,

my compliments on your structural plan to develop your pyramid technology!

I would love to join in the construction and testing phase, but unfortunately I am currently doing experiments with an alternative battery system which take up quite a bit of my time, money, and certainly workspace.
If I see a possibility (and work space) to construct a pyramid in the near future, I will contact you (and check your website) to see if it still fits in with your planned construction and testing program.

I would however like to keep track of what you guys are doing with the pyramid, as it is obviously extremely interesting :)
I hope you will keep posting here?

The best of luck to all of you in this construction and testing program! I sincerely hope you can get conclusive and undeniable proof.
 :D
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 22, 2007, 02:47:22 PM
@ Spacetrax
I sent you TWO e-mail messages on your private e-mail box. Please consider ONLY the last one of them. Please read it and let me know. Thanks,
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 22, 2007, 02:53:34 PM
How much should this system works continuously ?
In that video Thomas spoke about 30 days.
Did Thomas tested a much more longer continuous working period?
Just curious.
If it did, then, what happens with the internal materials ? Graphite for example: did it consumed or not?
Thanks,
tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: starcruiser on November 22, 2007, 03:21:51 PM
@Tigrotto,

I am thinking those questions will be answered when we build the pyramid, run it then check the materials to see what degradation has taken place to the materials after testing...no? Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on November 22, 2007, 03:33:08 PM
seems to me that questions like "how long has mr Trawoeger run his pyramid" cannot be answered by anyone else doing replications...
Nor does a question like "did the graphite get consumed in the process" seem hard to answer, and certainly not something that abolutely has to be answered by doing your own tests.

But what I would like to know, so this is directed
@ mr. Trawoeger:
How did you come up with the idea of the circuit? What made you decide to use graphite, to use salt water, and to use them in this combination and setup?
There must be a line of reasoning behind it, right? After all, you don't just start wrapping coils around random material, nor do you arbitrarily decide to add some salt water... do you?
Will you please share the path of thought that led you to come up with this design for your convertor?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 22, 2007, 03:33:27 PM
@Tigrotto,

I am thinking those questions will be answered when we build the pyramid, run it then check the materials to see what degradation has taken place to the materials after testing...no? Just my thoughts.
Was soll passieren
Kupfer + grafit + salzwasser = kupfervitreol  = galvanische Zelle 0,5volt

weiss nicht ob das ausgewaschen werden kann , oder wie das weitergeht (auswechseln?)
Durch die 2 unterschiedlichen Grafit-Elektroden kommt diese ganze Geschichte (vermutlich)
ins arbeiten . (So wie eine Reihe anderer Ger?te , auch anderer Bauart)
Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: starcruiser on November 22, 2007, 03:38:43 PM
@pese,

I am not sure what you mean, I translated your response using babelfish but the result does not make much sense, can you re-post in english please?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Paul-R on November 22, 2007, 03:51:24 PM
@pese,
I am not sure what you mean, I translated your response using babelfish but the result does not make much sense, can you re-post in english please?
These machine translators need short clipped sentances, with no slang, no abbreviations,
no text-speak. Never omit the full stops. Simple subject-verb-object offerings.
And even then, they can give verbs the wrong tense.
Paul.
Title: Another short UPDATE:-)
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 22, 2007, 04:04:09 PM
Hello Community
we are working still on the website, and we hope to get it stable till this weekend.
Please do not register now, and don?t post messages in the Forum.
We have to change plenty of things, and so a lot of registrations could be lost!
If the Websites goes OFFLINE in the next hours or Days, you should not get panic :-)

Maybe it?s necessary to change the webscripts. We want to have the website stable if we start, and so we try different systems.

You can be shure, that we will fix this problems as soon as possible..
greetz , tom

@tigrotto: there is no chemical distruction inside the pyramide. Only the Coppertubes in the base get a little agressed by the salt.
the pyramide?s max running time was 1728 hours. (72 days) After this period we stopped the V12, because we had to disasemble it very quickly :-)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 22, 2007, 04:08:28 PM
@ all:
Please, read attentive:
Graphit rods have not to touch the Salt-water!!!!
If my german is not wrong!
So, it make no sense speaking about Graphite-Salt-water-Copper!!!!
If , again , graphite , don't touch Salt-Water, then what's the logic behind the "battery graphite-Salt-water-copper"?????
See please, there is a small hole on the downside of the assembly , preventing the water not to touch the graphite rods!!!!
Approfitating : Question for all of us:

The assembly is however strange because, if I'm not wrong, the 6 point ( see please the Skizze2 ) have to be connected on a plate of the small ( 25mmx140mm) capacitor, the other its plate ( of this 25mmx140mm) is to be connected to the : Earth+Pyramid Mettalic Frame.
Is this correct this my understanding?
This would mean that the assembly "hanging" at 1/3 height of pyramide is electrically connected in ONLY one point ( point 6 on Skizze2) ( this would be (+))! If this my understanding is true, this is the point where is hardly to understand this "circuit"
Pay attention: I don't dare to ask this Thomas, but you, as my German is not very good !
Regards to all
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: karl on November 22, 2007, 06:15:09 PM
Hallo Pese,
die Ventilatoren ziehen aber ganz sch?n Strom.
Ich glaube 4WDC@12V ist da normal. ?ber 1000 Stunden mit nur 1V kann ich mir fast nicht vorstellen.
Vielleicht eine kleine Vorspannung die als Sourcedipol eingesetzt wird.
Interresant ist aber zu wissen wie der Wissensschatz zustande gekommen sein soll.
Das geht mich aber nichts an.
Das Jonglierprinzip wird ja gerade induziert (micro TPU).
Eine Schwingquelle (nicht die Schwingkammer) kann nat?rlich auch wenige freie Ladungstr?ger sehr oft bewegen.
Die Anregungsrichtung ist dabei interresant.
Ein Energ8iewirbel im Zentrum kann nat?rlich einen flie?enden Strom als Muster einpr?gen.
Vielleicht eine Art hom?opatischer Elektronenanreger.
Deine Kritik ist berechtigt.
Time will tell...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 22, 2007, 08:43:39 PM
Hallo Pese,
die Ventilatoren ziehen aber ganz sch?n Strom.
Ich glaube 4WDC@12V ist da normal. ?ber 1000 Stunden mit nur 1V kann ich mir fast nicht vorstellen.
Vielleicht eine kleine Vorspannung die als Sourcedipol eingesetzt wird.
Interresant ist aber zu wissen wie der Wissensschatz zustande gekommen sein soll.
Das geht mich aber nichts an.
Das Jonglierprinzip wird ja gerade induziert (micro TPU).
Eine Schwingquelle (nicht die Schwingkammer) kann nat?rlich auch wenige freie Ladungstr?ger sehr oft bewegen.
Die Anregungsrichtung ist dabei interresant.
Ein Energ8iewirbel im Zentrum kann nat?rlich einen flie?enden Strom als Muster einpr?gen.
Vielleicht eine Art hom?opatischer Elektronenanreger.
Deine Kritik ist berechtigt.
Time will tell...
Deie Ventilatoren habeb ?blicherweise 9 bzw 12wat in der Gr?sser wie im Video.
Nur kleine CPU L?ftermotoren sind ab ca 4 Watt.
Wenn hier (irgendwo in der Cu Salt Grafit Konstellation die 0,5 Volt erzeugt werden
hat das nichts mit dem "gelieferten Strom zu tun ! Wenn dem so ist (spekulativ) dann
dient das nur um die "Erfindung" an laufen zu bekommen. (Erregung /Oszillation und wie auch
immer das passiert . Wir werden es abwarten , oder durch eigene Experimente und laborieren
das herausbekommen da mit der Funktion der ersten selbstgebauten Ger?te sicher JEDEM Weiterentwicklungen einfallen.
G.P.

P.S. e#Es kann schon sein , dass (wie Du meinst) hier die Vor-nung als "Source",
dient. es kann sein dass ungleichlange Grafits?be , ein "anschwingen" erleichtern,
(so wie man das bei Inverterschaltungen auch gerne macht um ein leichteres
Anschwingen von Oszillator-Gegentakt-Schaltungen , schaltungstechnisch zu erzwingen.
Aber , wie gesagt "alles rein spektulativ" , denn lernen kann ich wie Jedermann , imm noch.
---
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 22, 2007, 09:03:01 PM
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Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 22, 2007, 09:29:35 PM
Apologize Thomas,
i didn't read your message and I posted a question on site's forum!!!
OK: Lesson 1: Some for patience!!!
Thanks,
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 22, 2007, 09:38:14 PM
 
Deie Ventilatoren haben ?blicherweise 9 bzw 12watt in der Gr?sser wie im Video.
Nur kleine CPU L?ftermotoren sind ab ca 4 Watt.
Wenn hier (irgendwo in der Cu Salt Grafit Konstellation die 0,5 Volt erzeugt werden
hat das nichts mit dem "gelieferten Strom zu tun ! Wenn dem so ist (spekulativ) dann
dient das nur um die "Erfindung" an laufen zu bekommen. (Erregung /Oszillation und wie auch
immer das passiert . Wir werden es abwarten , oder durch eigene Experimente und laborieren
das herausbekommen da mit der Funktion der ersten selbstgebauten Ger?te sicher JEDEM Weiterentwicklungen einfallen.
G.P.

P.S. e#Es kann schon sein , dass (wie Du meinst) hier die Vor-nung als "Source",
dient. es kann sein dass ungleichlange Grafits?be , ein "anschwingen" erleichtern,
(so wie man das bei Inverterschaltungen auch gerne macht um ein leichteres
Anschwingen von Oszillator-Gegentakt-Schaltungen , schaltungstechnisch zu erzwingen.
Aber , wie gesagt "alles rein spektulativ"  ---
 
 
Hallo Pese,
die Ventilatoren ziehen aber ganz sch?n Strom.
Ich glaube 4WDC@12V ist da normal. ?ber 1000 Stunden mit nur 1V kann ich mir fast nicht vorstellen.
Vielleicht eine kleine Vorspannung die als Sourcedipol eingesetzt wird.
Interresant ist aber zu wissen wie der Wissensschatz zustande gekommen sein soll.
Das geht mich aber nichts an.
Das Jonglierprinzip wird ja gerade induziert (micro TPU).
Eine Schwingquelle (nicht die Schwingkammer) kann nat?rlich auch wenige freie Ladungstr?ger sehr oft bewegen.
Die Anregungsrichtung ist dabei interresant.
Ein Energ8iewirbel im Zentrum kann nat?rlich einen flie?enden Strom als Muster einpr?gen.
Vielleicht eine Art hom?opatischer Elektronenanreger.
Deine Kritik ist berechtigt.
Time will tell...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: fritz on November 22, 2007, 10:59:10 PM
.... some speculative ideas ...

If there would be a fluctuation lets say in the microwave
range on top of the "quasi-static" magnetic field of the earth -
with (speculative) circular polarisation - and because of the
nature of this phenomenon - the electro-magnetic "role" of
this field would zero out almost everwhere - because of the
topology of this effect - a properly aligned pyramide made of
diamagnetic conductive material may "enclose" a standing
microwave domain within the pyramide - with the capability
to "tap" this effect.
The coil in the center of the pyramide may act as antenna for
circular polarized microwave - the magnet might be needed to
get the proper "focus". Some part of the construction might
act as rectifier - but the rectified signal will look like dc because
of the high frequency involved.
Even a faraday shield should not zero out this effect - due to
the magnetic nature - the microwave domain will establish
inside the pyramide.
Water lines or other conductive large scale effects might influence
the effect due to different (-disturbed) field around the pyramide.
....
Anyway, I think the "nature" of this effect might be close to this
speculation.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 22, 2007, 11:00:59 PM
@all:
Thanks to those helped me to answer this question : where have to be connected the second plate of the 25mmx140mm capacitor ?
The first its plate is to be connected to the frame and to the Earth.
The answer was: The second plate is connected at point A( graphite rod/left side winding coils).
Thomas answered me today as it was a very easy to see solution: not for a physicist , maybe!!!
I tried to accept this solution and i accepted it!
This is why is not easy to understand:
All the internal assembly is connected by means of the only one wire ( point A): this is (+),
minus (-) being Pyramid Frame+Earth.
The 10 plates capacitor is "sandwiched" between two identical winding coils .
The salted-water beneath the 2 graphite rods means simply another two capacitors( and their inductances) : formed as: Graphite/sand-quartz/Copper tube.
All the inside allsembly loks to be an oscillator "communicating " with sorroundings by means of an only one point: A: Skizze2 ( point 6)
Something like this I saw at Tesla's experiment with an electric bulb lightning by means of only one wire!
Again: If I was wrong in understanding the basic circuit, please correct me!
Understanding the phenomena is impossible without knowing how to draw the electric circuit.
Waiting for ahe Flying Bird falling down into your mouth means I think waiting for Thomas's step by step explanation without thinking about the data we still got: V6 documentation!
Thoughts?
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on November 22, 2007, 11:06:33 PM
Hi All,
here is an edited circuit diagram I did to the Prof. Ovidiu
diagram.

I think this is now the correct version.

The saltwater MUST touch the graphite electrode, but the saltwater must be
only inside the lower part, so the graphite electrodes must not be fully in the saltwater.

Okay, here is the graphics, click on it to see its full size:

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 22, 2007, 11:29:03 PM
Hi Stefan and thank for your help you gave not onyl me but also for other of us .
So the graphite rods are "a little bit immersed in Salt-water", it is true?
My German being poor, I understand that the GRAPHITE RODS DIDN'T TOUCH THE SALTWATER!
YOU SAID OPPOSITE , IT'S TRUE?
So, there is a weak, but real electric contact between the two opposite graphite rods, it's true?
Regarding the quartzsand, it fill almost all the internal part of the Copper closed tube, that's correct?
THANKS AGAIN AND PLEASE GIVE ME THIS LAST CONFIRMATION.
I'M CONFIDENT THAT THIS CONFIRMATION YOU CHECKED WITH THOMAS DIRECLTY AS WE TO HAVE NOT YOUR "PERSONAL"OPINION, BUT THE RIGHT OPINION OF THE INVENTOR THOMAS HIMSELF!!!
Tigrotto (Dr.Ovidiu Petria
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 22, 2007, 11:54:21 PM
Thanks for this Stefan

Cheers

Sean.

Hi All,
here is an edited circuit diagram I did to the Prof. Ovidiu
diagram.

I think this is now the correct version.

The saltwater MUST touch the graphite electrode, but the saltwater must be
only inside the lower part, so the graphite electrodes must not be fully in the saltwater.

Okay, here is the graphics, click on it to see its full size:



Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on November 23, 2007, 02:41:36 AM
Okay, I did now the english translation for the guidance buildingof the pyramid.

As the German text is now also down at Mr. Traw?ger?s website, I include it here also
again:

Bauanleitung
   
   

Bauanleitung: 1 Pyramide 100cm Seitenl?nge!

Auch wenn es ziemlich einfach klingt, aber die Grundmasse der Pyramide spielen nur eine untergeordnete Rolle. Wichtig sind nur 2

Faktoren:

Die Bodenform der Pyramide muss absolut Quadratisch sein.
Die Seitenmasse der Pyramide m?ssen derzeit der Bodenl?nge gleichen*



Ich verwende zur Konstruktion der Pyramide Formrohre aus Stahl (20x20mm)
Die Seitenw?nde der Pyramide wurden zur Leistungoptimierung mit Gipskartonplatten
verkleidet. ( ohne Seitenverkleidung ist die Ausrichtung sehr schwierig)

Seitenverkleidungen aus Aluminium oder sonstigen Metallen funktionieren nicht ?
Seitenverkleidungen aus Kunststoff funktionieren nicht?

An der Pyramidenspitze wird zu Messzwecken ein Lot eingeh?ngt, und anschliessend der
Geometrische Mittelpunkt errechnet. (Schnittpunkt aller Fl?chenmitten-siehe Skizze 1)

Dieser Mittelpunkt ist die einzige etwas schwierigere Aufgabe.

Der Pyramidenaufbau ist gut zu erden! (Messplatzerdung und Massepunkt f?r alle weiteren Messungen!)

Der Aufbau des Energieabgriffes ist in Skizze 2 geschildert.
Mittels Kupferrohr ca. 12mm wird ein U-F?rmiger Korpus hartgel?tet.
2 T-St?cke verbinden diesen Korpus an der Oberseite.

Am Oberteil dieser Konstruktion wird eine kleine Lasche zur Befestigung verl?tet (3) und mittels nicht leitf?higer Schnur so in die

Pyramide eingeh?ngt, dass sich der Pyramidenmittelpunkt genau im Mittelpunkt des Energieabgriffs befindet.

An der linken Seite der Konstruktion wird ein ca. 9omm langer Grafithstab derart eingef?hrt, dass er mittig im Rohr steckt, und keinen

Kontakt zum Rohr hat.
(ACHTUNG! Der Stab muss innerhalb des Rohes frei sein, und darf unten nicht irgendwie
Fixiert sein!)

Anschlissend 9 Windungen Kupferdraht 2,5 mm zu einer Spule wickeln. (Innen-dm ca.25mm) und freies Ende nach unten ablaufen lassen.

An der gegen?berliegenden Seite ebenfalls einen Grafithstab (2-3mm Bleistiftmine) frei in den Energieabgriff h?ngen. (L?nge ein kleines

St?ck l?nger zB. 95mm)



An der rechten Seite ein kleines Loch ca. 2mm in das Kupferrohr bohren. Dieses Loch muss
Etwas tiefer sein als der Grafithstab einsteht!!! (Abstand mind. 2mm)

An der linken Seite wird auch ein ca. 2mm Loch gebohrt (Auch hier etwas tiefer als der Grafithstab einsteht!

An der rechten Seite wird eine gegenl?ufige Spule mit 9 Windungen (2,5 mm CU) installiert.
In Skizze 3 wird der Kondensator n?her erkl?rt!

Der Kondensator soll exakt mit seinem Mittelpunkt im absoluten Mittelpunkt der Pyramide stehen.

Der Energieabgriff muss nun komplett (aber locker!) mit Quarzsand (am besten W?stensand oder Filtersand f?r Schwimmbecken) gef?llt

werden.

ACHTUNG! Beim Bef?llen ist darauf zu achten, dass die Elektroden (Grafithtst?be) keinen
Kontakt zum Kuperrohr bekommen (Multimeter)



Nun wird mittels nicht leidender schn?re der Energieabgriff so in die Pyramide eingeh?ngt, dass der Kondensator genau in der

Schnittmitte der Pyramide h?ngt!

F?r diesen Vorgang die Pyramide nicht ausgenordet aufstellen!!!!!

Nun mit einer Einwegspritze Salzwasser (ca 5%) in das linke untere Loch einspritzen, bis der erste Tropfen beim rechten Loch

herauskommt.
LANGSAM, und nicht so viel, dass die Grafithelektroden in der Salzlauge stehen.

In Skizze 4 wird gezeigt, in welchem Winkel sich der Energieabgriff zur Pyramide befinden soll, und wir die Pyramide eingenordet wird.

Ein kleiner Plattenkondensator ( ca 25x 140mm) mit jeweils einer Platte kann die Leistung der Pyramide vervielfachen. Dieser wird am

Energieabgriff schr?g nach unten verlaufend im Winkel von ca. 40 ? rechtwinkelig zur Pyramide laufend ausgef?hrt.

Von dort erfolgt auch der Abgriff der tats?chlichen Leistung. (AUSGANG!)
(Achtung!! Einen Pol (welcher ist egal) mit der Pyramide verbinden. Dieser Pol wird automatisch Masse -?!?!)

EINNORDEN:
Ein Multimeter anschliessen, und die Pyramide langsam drehen. Sobald die Pyramide die h?chste Spannung zeigt. (Leerlaufspannung ca. 19

Volt) passt die Richtung.

M?gliche Fehlerquellen:
Zuviel Salzwasser: ---- Einfach eine Stunde warten
Zuwenig Salzwasser:--- F?llen, bis Salzwasser rechts austritt
Elektrodenkontakt zum Kupferrohr?Vor dem Bef?llen mit Salzwasser Multimetertest auf Kurzschluss!!!

Weitere M?glichkeiten:
Kondensatorkurzschluss (Vor Montage pr?fen)
Pyramide liefert nicht. Standort ver?ndern, und am besten im Freien probieren.



Pyramid Building guidance

Building guidance: pyramid with 100cm side length!

It sounds rather simple, but the basic dimensions of the pyramid do not play an important role.

Only 2 factors are important:

The ground shape of the pyramid must be absolutely square.


The length of the pyramid upper corner rods must be the same as the base quadrat square rod lengths.
So all frame rods are 100 cm long !


I use for the side rods of the pyramid for the construction of the pyramid steel pipes  (20x20mm).
which are optimized with gypsum-paper boards( plates).


(Without these gypsum-paper boards( plates) the adjustment of the pyramid is very difficult)


Plates made of aluminum or other metals do not function.
Plates from plastic do not function.

At the pyramid point for measuring purposes a plumb bob is hung up, and calculated afterwards the geometrical center
of all the sides ofthe pyramid.


(intersection of all surfaces in their centers -see sketch 1)



To find this exact center of all the pyramid sides is the only  difficult task in setting it all up.



The pyramid must be grounded very well !
(measuring position must be grounded and ground must be connected to the frame for all further measurements!)




The structure of the energy pick-up circuit is described in sketch 2.


From  copper tubing approx. 12mm in diameter we are hardsoldering a "U"-shaped
body.

2 pieces of T-fittings are fitted to this body at the top side.


On the upper section of this construction a small latch for attachment is hard soldered to the copper pipe.

(3) and the whole body is hung with a non conductive cord in such a way into the pyramid that the pyramid center is exactly in the

center of the energy pick-up capacitor.



 At the left side of the Tube approx. a 90 mm long Graphiterod is in such a manner inserted  that it is put centrically into the pipe

and  has no contact to the pipe.
(NOTE! The rod must be free hanging and must not be fixed down there at the bottom... !)


Now wind 9 turns of isolated copperwire 2.5 mm diameter to a coil winding. (inside diameter about 25mm)
and let the free end run downward.


 On the opposite side put likewise a graphiterod (2-3mm diameter pencil rod)
freely hanging into the tube. (length of the graphiterod a bit longer e.g. 95mm)


Bore at the right side a small hole approx.  2mm diameter into the copper tube.

This hole must be somewhat more below than the Graphiterod`s end !!!

(distance at least 2mm)




At the left side also approx. a 2mm hole is bored (also here somewhat more below than the Graphiterod?s end !


At the right side a coil moving in opposite directions with 9 turns (2.5 mm cu) is installed.

In sketch 3 the condenser is explained!

The condenser is to stand accurately with its center in the absolute center of the pyramid. The energy pick-up tubing must now

completely (however loosely!) filled with quartz sand (.g. finest desert sand or filtersand for pools).
NOTE! When filling it is to be made certain that the electrodes (Graphiterods) do not get in contact with the copperpipes (test with

Ohmmeter)

Now hang the energy pick-up tubing in such a way into the pyramid that the condenser hangs exactly in the centerof thepyramid!

Do not set up the pyramid yet for this procedure into Noth South direction!!!!!


Now with a one-way syringe inject saltwater (approx. 5%)  into the left lower hole, until the first drop comes out at the right hole.


SLOWLY inject saltwater until the Graphiterods are standing with their lower ends in the saltwater-sand solution.

Sketch 4 shows, in which angle the energy pick-up tubing is to be connected to the pyramid, and how the pyramid is adjusted to north

south alignment.

A small plate capacitor (approx. 25x 140 mm)where only the plus pole is going through and
the negative pole comes from the pyramid frame  can multiply the power output of the pyramid.


This must be placed  diagonally downward running in the angle of approx. 40 ? right-angled
to the pyramid at the energy pick-up tubing.


From this capacitor also the real output power of the pyramid power takes place. (EXIT!)


(Note: The negative pole must be connected from the pyramid frame to this capacitor
to the other capacitorplate.)


Adjustment of the noth-south alignment:

Connect a voltmeter to the output and turn the pyramid slowly .

As soon as the pyramid shows the highest voltage tension. (open circuit voltage approx.. 19 V) the direction aligment fits.


Possible sources of error:

Too much saltwater: --- Simply , wait one hour until it has run out enough.
Too low volume of saltwater: - - - Inject more saltwater until it drops out of the right hole.

graphite rod to electrode contact: ---check before installation with an Ohmmeter, that this is not the case.

Further possibilities: ------Condenser short-circuit (test it before assembly)

pyramid does not generate power: -----Change Location, try it outdoors.


English Translation by Stefan Hartmann for www.overunity.com

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on November 23, 2007, 02:56:14 AM
@Tigrotto,
yes, the sand is filled up into the whole copper tubbing,
so the graphite rods are inside the tube all covered with sand,
maybe not just the top of them, where the wires are connected...
this we still need to ask Mr. Traw?ger..
But the saltwater is only injected into the left hole until it drops
out at the right hole, so only the lower parts of the graphite rods
stand in the wet sand-saltwater.
He said too much saltwater is not good...
Just a bit wet sand. So this is basically a galvanic cell and produces around
0.7 to 1 Volt DC voltage.
Maybe this is  just an energizer voltage so the LC circuit resonates..
but normally you need some kind of  active device like a transistor to
control the oscillation...
I don?t yet understand how this thing generates DC voltage at the output
and also this high....19 Volts.. andso much power...

Well, we need to research this.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 23, 2007, 06:59:20 AM
Hi Stefan,
Congratulations for your great work you did here.
We had the circuit, now, we can think "around" the phenomena:
Facts:
1. The internal circuit is "hanging" in one point only(A), that is not a closed circuit!This looks like a microwave generator!!!
2. The calculated oscillation frequency of the LC assembly is around 8MHz.
3. Extremely strange for a DC source ( as it really is): The "shunt resistance" of the Voltage generator is "Infinite" !!! We "collect" the power from the 25x140mm capacitor! Never heard before , but... it works!
Conclusion : ? ( By now!)

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: spacetrax on November 23, 2007, 07:47:04 AM
Hi,
I have to contradict you, Thomas said that the graphith electrodes must NOT be in the salt water at all. See: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg60151.html#msg60151
Cheers!

@Tigrotto,
yes, the sand is filled up into the whole copper tubbing,
so the graphite rods are inside the tube all covered with sand,
maybe not just the top of them, where the wires are connected...
this we still need to ask Mr. Traw?ger..
But the saltwater is only injected into the left hole until it drops
out at the right hole, so only the lower parts of the graphite rods
stand in the wet sand-saltwater.
He said too much saltwater is not good...
Just a bit wet sand. So this is basically a galvanic cell and produces around
0.7 to 1 Volt DC voltage.
Maybe this is  just an energizer voltage so the LC circuit resonates..
but normally you need some kind of  active device like a transistor to
control the oscillation...
I don?t yet understand how this thing generates DC voltage at the output
and also this high....19 Volts.. andso much power...

Well, we need to research this.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 23, 2007, 07:49:04 AM
@Tigrotto,
yes, the sand is filled up into the whole copper tubbing,
so the graphite rods are inside the tube all covered with sand,
maybe not just the top of them, where the wires are connected...
this we still need to ask Mr. Traw?ger..
But the saltwater is only injected into the left hole until it drops
out at the right hole, so only the lower parts of the graphite rods
stand in the wet sand-saltwater.
He said too much saltwater is not good...
Just a bit wet sand. So this is basically a galvanic cell and produces around
0.7 to 1 Volt DC voltage.
Maybe this is  just an energizer voltage so the LC circuit resonates..
but normally you need some kind of  active device like a transistor to
control the oscillation...
I don?t yet understand how this thing generates DC voltage at the output
and also this high....19 Volts.. andso much power...

Well, we need to research this.

Regards, Stefan.

Wenn der Sand bie Oberkante Grafit-elektroden eingef?llt wurd (wodurch auch die st?be ihren Halt bekommen!) wird auch ds Salzwsser unbedingt umd immer die komplette Elektrode benetzen , da das wasser den Sand hinaufkriecht - Osmose).
Also nur soviel Salzwasser bis ein ?berschuss herausl?uft ?
Aber das sind ja Dinge , die man probieren kann!.


HATTEN DIE ?GYPTER SCHON STROM ?

Diese Frage wird nun plausiebler !!?

Wer erinnert sich nicht an die Darstellungen dieser riesen Glasballons die jemand mitsichf?hrte ?
Wohl ein Metallgl?hwendel drin ??
Vakuum , geht nicht in dieser Gr?sse , ABER druckloser Stickstoff.

Ein Kabel (Schlauch?) ist angeschlossen und f?hr zu einen kleinen Kasten !!
Ist hier die Empfangspule?- die dann nat?rlich innerhalb der "grossen" Pyramide auch arbeiten k?nnte !  (Nat?rlich rein spekulativ ! Wenn die Frage erstmal DA ist , kann man alles exerimentell erproben !! Die Theorie , kann NUR GEDANKENANSTOSS zu EXPERIMENTEN sein. (So auch
bei Thomas Traw?ger , wie er sich mehrmals ?usserte)




Pese
Title: daily update...
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 23, 2007, 07:55:17 AM
hello to all..

First, let me say thousand Thanks to Stefan Hartmann for his great work.. I hope, the plan is now better understandable to all non-german speaking guys out there  ;D

Stefan spoke about downs in our webproject. I can swear everybody, that the website wasn?t down any minute till now, and it will stay online the next few month. We only change the scripts, and so it could be possible, that the website is down only by minutes (for up- and downloading scripts and content.

My new garage is prepared with cameras and tool, and so we can go ahead with our project just in time. We will finish our website this night, and so it could be, that you can find the first step of construction tomorrow evening in our website.

in the first step, we will give you the list of the first needed materials to organize.

If it?s allowed, i use the Stefan translations even in my website ( i prefer to ask the Content Owner  ;)

Maybe Stefan could help me some time with small translation works, because his english is absolutely perfect in technical belongs!

In my last Post her, i pleased you, not to subscribe in my website, because the scripts don?t work proper.
This was not believed from 21! (twentyone) guys  ;D

I got some critics, why i opened the registration, if its not working.
well, guys, for to test something, you have to put it online for testing.
It was my fault, to tell you the domain, before everything was working proper.
So let me say "SORRY" for my Mistake. I pronounced the website to early, but i did this only, to show you my will to do it.

I hope, that in latest 24-30 Hours everything runs quite well, and you can foregive me this fault....
Have a happy day
Thomas

PS. I?m a little sad, that some people wich are reading here didn?t spend any word to the community. Ther are some guys from Thailand and US tell me great storys, but noone will give here any sentence...
It?s not fair, to get informations from this Site, but stay silent, if some success appeares.
I will remember to this guys, and i am not shure, if i will invite you to my website  :-\
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 23, 2007, 09:36:57 AM
@Thomas
@Stefan
Congratulations also from me to Stefan .
I did the drawing, he did the corrections, Thomas approuved.
All of us , I  hope , read the Stefan's translation.
We have to solve two  great misunderstandings , hopefully, using the valuable help from Thomas, as developer:

First misunderstanding: The low end of graphite rod : In water-salted or outside the salted-water?
There are two opposite sentence here, in the translated text:
The first one:
Bore at the right side a small hole approx.  2mm diameter into the copper tube.
This hole must be somewhat more below than the Graphiterod`s end !!!
(distance at least 2mm) :
The second one:
SLOWLY inject saltwater until the Graphiterods are standing with their lower ends in the saltwater-sand solution.
Comment:
The first sentence meant : the lowest end of the Graphite rods are ABOVE the salted-water LEVEL. So that NO ELECTRICAL CONTACT GRAPHITE-SALTWATER.
The second sentence meant: the lowest end of the Graphite rods are INSIDE ( IMMERSED) in  saltwater . So that there must be an  ELECTRICAL CONTACT GRAPHITE-SALTWATER.
We are kindly asking Thomas and Stefan to clarify this possible misunderstanding.

The second "obvious misunderstanding " is  regarding the 25mmx140mm 8 2 plates) capacitor. One plate connected to pyramid frame+Earth, the second its plate connected where: Let's take a look at the translation of two sentence below:
The first sentence says:
A small plate capacitor (approx. 25x 140 mm)where only the plus pole is going through and the negative pole comes from the pyramid frame  can multiply the power output of the pyramid.
The second sentence says:
(Note: The negative pole must be connected from the pyramid frame to this capacitor to the other capacitor plate.)
Comments:
From the first sentence is not obvious " only th plus pole is going through": What does it mean?
From  the second sentence: What does it mean " to the other capacitor plate": Who is this " the other capacitor plate"? Is the same capacitor
 ( 25mmx140mm , or is the 10 plates great capacitor???
A thing is obvioud: one of the 2 plates of this 25mmx140mm capacitor is to be connected to the frame+Earth.
The second its plate is to be connected where?
Needless to say that I talked with some others of our friends here on private post and they also have the same doubts! this is not only my misunderstanding ( however, justified!)
Thanks in advance,
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: freecell on November 23, 2007, 11:14:05 AM
Hi Thomas,

did you ever have test to take copper-tubes instead of steel-Cuppers for the Pyramidframe?

Coppers-Tubes and Plates are more easy to soldering als to welding the Steel-Tubes.

Greeting, freecell
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: freecell on November 23, 2007, 11:16:11 AM
Hi Thomas,

did you ever have test to take copper-tubes instead of steel-Cuppers for the Pyramidframe?

Coppers-Tubes and Plates are more easy to soldering as to welding the Steel-Tubes.

So i thinking about this point to construct or to test my Rebuild with Copper-Tubes.
If you haven't any experience with copper-Frame i start the rebuild with copper-tubes and tell here, if it work or not.

Another Alternative, where to rivet (nieten) the Steel-Tubes.

P.S. Es lebe leo.org :)

Greeting, freecell
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on November 23, 2007, 11:27:36 AM
Hi Tigrotto,
if you look at the pictures at the beginning of this thread
it is getting clear:
The minus pole is only connected to the lower frame and to
the left output capacitor plate.

The plus pole comes from output E from my redrawn graphics and
goes via the other capacitor plate to the output.

This circuit makes not much sense in the "normal" logical
way in circuit theory,
but it might be just some kind of one wire RF energy transfer,
but for to get a DC voltage it would
miss the 2 Avramenko plug diodes...
Hmm. maybe he is using 2 dissimular metals before the last capacitor
which work with their connection as a rectifier ?

Otherwise I can not understand how DC voltage will come out of this
thing, if not just the battery voltage of the graphite-copper is converted up
in voltage and power output ??


Yes, Thomas, you can of course use my translation on your
website.

Many thanks again for coming forward with your explanations.

Maybe you can provide a few scopeshots also of the
energizer unit in the center ?
Does it resonate ? At what frequency ?
How is the frequency converted to pure DC Voltage at the putput
without any diodes ?


P.S. The graphite rods as I understand it must be just a bit wet via the
sand.
This gives also the best galvanic cell voltage, if the sand is just wet enough.
If there would be too much saltwater inside the sand, then the output would be
reduced, cause the sand would  not have too much contact with the graphite electrodes...

So maybe the rectifier effect also comes from the wet SIO2 sand touching the
graphite rods ?? Could well be... So maybe this is just a DC Voltage effect from
the wet sand touching the copper and the graphite...
As CuO is also a semiconductor and it could built up
on the copper surface, this might all be surface effects of the used materials
together with the "special" height radiation of the aligned pyramid..
So it probably depends a lot, which sand you are using and how
good the semiconductor properties it has and how much
copperoxid the copper tube had, before you filled in the sand and
the graphite electrodes...
So the used materials could be major important to get it to work correctly...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hartiberlin on November 23, 2007, 11:43:03 AM
P.S: Gustav Pese is right,
as the sand is hygroscopic, it will
"suck up" the saltwater, so all the saltwater and also the
graphite rods will be a bit wet... so if you
inject there some saltwater, the whole sand will
sooner or later be a bit wet...

Thomas said, the whole tube must not fully be filled with
saltwater, so too much saltwater is not good, but the sand
must be wet.

Maybe one could also already mix the sand with saltwater before
filling it in,but then probably the wet sand will not go well in between
the copper tube and the graphite spacing and there might be
air bubbles and holes this way..

Could also be, that it is important to let is stay for a while, so that
at the inner copper wall will build up some copperchloride CuCl2
which might help the semiconductor effect in rectifying the RF oscillations...

From my saltwater battery research I have seen, that with gaphite in the cells,
the graphite get never consumed, only the metals.
But sometimes ( e.g.with the durafix metal rods) the voltage just oscillates a bit
when the oxidation of the rod happens and as the metal goes into ions,that the voltage
will change a bit. Maybe this is used also here to start the RF oscillation
with the LC circuit ...
So this will really depend on many parameters...

But maybe there is an additional effect because of the shielding
of the copper tube of the galvanic cell, as the copper tube shields
all the electrostatic action as only the inner walls of the copper
have contact to the electrolyte... this might also give a special effect,
cause in normal copper-graphite saltwater batteries all the copper,
also the outside of a copper pipe has contact to the saltwater electrolyte...
But here it is shielded !

And
normally, if you give electrons to the inner wall of a copper pipe
they always will go to the outside wall, so there might be a
no "drag back"effect from the current...

so the current generation could
get maybe a smaller inner resistance and the cell could deliver more power this way ?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 23, 2007, 12:45:20 PM
OK guys,
It looks like we understand how to built the setup ( of V6), but I have to stress here on the "fine-tuning" of this experiment.
Some confusion was regarding the level of Salted-water.

I'll repeat: the bore in the copper-pipe is to be done BELOW THE END OF GRAPHITE ROD ( Thomas said 2mm).
Nevertheless, the sand being hygroscopic , will be still wet even 2mm above the level of the two bores. I think i'm not wrong.
The missing point is this : How wet have to be the sand at the level of the graphite rod.
This is why i thought at something as a fine tuning to overcome this problem whit many variables, and I KINDLY ASK THOMAS TO GIVE US HIS OPINION REGARDING THIS "FINE TUNING".
Do you remember: Thomas himself identified  ( see, please the end of stefan's translation!) as main sources of failure/errors right the position of the salted-water level.
The solution could be: A micromechanical adjustment of the depth of penetration of the graphite rod into the sand, or better : the fine tuning adjustment of the distance between the end ( low side) of the graphite rod and the position od the bore ( as refference!).
Identical , obviously , for both the two rods!
I dare to ask the authorized opinion/ advise of Thomas, the only one having faced practically with this problem.
Thanks in advance, Thomas
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 23, 2007, 12:54:09 PM
@freecell: I tryed to build the pyramide with copper-tubes, but it didn?t work proper. (I don?t know why)
As i changes the construction into wood, it worked absolutely not, because there was no minus pole.

I don?t know why, but it works best with graphite or carbone- material.
I use simple metal, because its cheap, easy to use, and good for power.

@stefan: It?s really a little tricky to mix sand and saltwater before you insert it into the pipes. So follow my description, wich works best. When you fill the tubes with saltwater, you will se a very bad effect.
(The pyramide will produce only very low power for aproxx. 10-10 min. This is because there is too much liquid inside. you can see, that the pyramide is pushing up the power after the first 30 minutes. After this process it?s not necessary to refill saltwater anytime!

@all: the DV-Voltage is not very clean. There is coming some very strange sinus, and it changes all the time. You can watch even some sinus in the Power of the Pyramide.  4-6 times a day, teh pyramide gives approx. 12-15% more watts for 4-5 minutes without touching it. The same effect is to watch on the other side. 5-6 times a day the Watts decrease between 10-20%
I don?t have any idea, why !

I will give you the time diagrams on my website, and i hope for some measurements wordwide, to understand this effect on different places. (For this, i will please the constructors for test with syncronized watches.)

I tested mor than 40 types of Quarzsand, and i will give you right in time the best hints. The quarzsand is not that important, because our Tests ranged only between 15-17% Power.
I think, this is not very necessary, because if the people see, that it works, the resulted power is not the thema :-)

The most important thing in the whole construction is, not to fill the tubes with saltwater!

To much saltwater destructs the pipe, and there will be a output equal zero!!!

Give me a word to V14.
In this version, i will show you a easyer construction inside, and i will show you to increase the Power with very easy Tricks.
V12 gives now 19,22 Watts/H - tested  aproxx. 21 Hours.

So if anybody want?s to start with constructing, please wait a few days. you will save money with material. But if you want to reconstrucht V6, you are invited too...

Very nice greetings to our reader JEROME. I clap the Hands for you, and I am very happy about your results! There is only a small mistake in your Pictures. I tryed the antennas, but they are only for a good show  ;D
(We don?t want to make nice items here, the goal is to bring POWER!!)
I am really interested, why you don?t want to write in this Forum. You don?t like the peole here? They are some fools?

You are reading here, you are copying here, you get the infos from here, but you name this guys "fools"...
Sorry, i am here since a few days, i didn?t found any fool, and i will go ahead to post here, because the people are constructive here.

BUT YOU ARE DEFINITELY NOT CONSTRUCTIVE! Sorry for the bad words, but you are a simple copyer.... So you can put your result into your ass, because nobody will be interestet about your results in a few days. (we will have them for our own)
If you change your opinion, you are everytime welcome on my site, and i will say sorry for this hard words.

I?m only a little bit sad, because i had the same problem a few years ago. Lots of bad guys killed my lust to show anybody anything.
But this time, I?m a little older, a little bit more patient, and a little bit more rich *bad joke*

have a nice day outside, my interested friends.
thomas



Title: Re: daily update...
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 23, 2007, 01:14:10 PM

PS. I?m a little sad, that some people wich are reading here didn?t spend any word to the community. Ther are some guys from Thailand and US tell me great storys, but noone will give here any sentence...
It?s not fair, to get informations from this Site, but stay silent, if some success appeares.
I will remember to this guys, and i am not shure, if i will invite you to my website  :-\


Hi Thomas

I am confused with this paragraph above. I cannot wait to replicate your Pyramid, but I thought you requested that no one write on your site or register on your site till it is live?

Looking forward to it going live :)

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on November 23, 2007, 01:17:12 PM
 :o My, my, Thomas! Language, language! ;)

at least it is now clear what you think of people who want to copy but not discuss.
Sorry if this post isn't constructive. ;)

I'm still very much intrigued by the path of thought that has led you to this setup. :)
But I won't press for info. I assume that you will reveal how you came to this design if and when you feel like it.

In any case I find your commitment to the community replications commendable!
kind regards,
Koen
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 23, 2007, 01:50:54 PM
 Vielleicht kann man statt den Fragen zuviel oder zuwenig Salzwaser einfach herausfinden.
z.B. zu schreiben :10ml mit xx Gramm Salz gel?st.  (da man ohnehin mit "kalibrierter" Einwegspritze arbeitet ...
Vielleicht ist euch denkbar einfac xx Gramm Salz vorher in den trockenen Sand hineizumischen
und die Rohre -damit- zu bef?llen. (Nur so eine Idee) nachdem die erste Pyramide nach T.T.
gebaut ist. Sicher kann man DANN auch Erfahrungswerte miteinander austauschen)
G.P
Title: Re: daily update...
Post by: tao on November 23, 2007, 02:13:14 PM

PS. I?m a little sad, that some people wich are reading here didn?t spend any word to the community. Ther are some guys from Thailand and US tell me great storys, but noone will give here any sentence...
It?s not fair, to get informations from this Site, but stay silent, if some success appeares.
I will remember to this guys, and i am not shure, if i will invite you to my website  :-\


Hi Thomas

I am confused with this paragraph above. I cannot wait to replicate your Pyramid, but I thought you requested that no one write on your site or register on your site till it is live?

Looking forward to it going live :)

Cheers

Sean.



Sean,

Thomas was just saying that he is getting emails from people showing their successes, but those same people won't post their results on overunity.com, not his site.
Title: Re: daily update...
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 23, 2007, 02:17:01 PM

Sean,

Thomas was just saying that he is getting emails from people showing their successes, but those same people won't post their results on overunity.com, not his site.

Ah okay makes more sense.
 
Thanks for that Tao.

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: fritz on November 23, 2007, 03:18:14 PM
1. The internal circuit is "hanging" in one point only(A), that is not a closed circuit!This looks like a microwave generator!!!
2. The calculated oscillation frequency of the LC assembly is around 8MHz.
3. Extremely strange for a DC source ( as it really is): The "shunt resistance" of the Voltage generator is "Infinite" !!! We "collect" the power from the 25x140mm capacitor! Never heard before , but... it works!
Conclusion : ? ( By now!)

If microwaves are involved (f > 1GHz) - the whole assembly would operate
different as it looks. (From microwave point of view this is no 8 MHz LC)
The coil would be an antenna - the "open system" argument would be of no
meaning,  you wouldnt identify the pulsed DC because of high frequency,
the microwaves would be recified by similar effects as with a crystal detector.

I think the reason (if we expect microwave involved) for THIS cap is that normal
caps not ment to be used with microwaves dont perform here.
rgds,

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 23, 2007, 03:34:42 PM
@fritz,
Thanks for your special attention you paid to my posting here,
I'm proud for the fact that by my input we finally understood how to built the electric circuit.
OK!
No microwaves behaviour, also because it looks like the osc. frecv. should be around 8MHz( easy to calculate the Llegt-CCentral-Lright circuit frecq.).
I'm a great doubt:
Question for Thomas:
How did he thought the two graphite-quartsand-watersalt parts of his system?
Did he thought it as an oscillator, or maybe at a "first impulse voltage source" ?
This could help very much, even if ( see my drawing corrected definitely by courtesy of Stefan!) the oscillator is "hanging" in a one point( E- as stefan named ) !
I'm very tempted to go back to study ALL the Tesla's theory.
I repeat for all of us: He managed to "switch on " an electric bulb using only a wire!!!
Regarding my "fine tuning " method to optimize the internal filling with salt-water, unfortunately I had no feed-back from you. Except Thomas .
Please , ammend this my understanding:
Did he say this ?:
1. Prepare a mixture SAND+WATER(5%SALT).
2. Fill TOTTALY the internal of copper tubing.
3. Wait for the excess water to get out by means of the two bores
( the two bares are HOWEVER 2MM UNDER THE END OF GRAPHITE RODS)
Please Thomas to confirm if he'll have 10 seconds to read this.
Tigrotto

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 23, 2007, 07:24:44 PM
@tigrotto: Fill in the sand DRY!
Then make a mixture of Water+ 5%salt and press it in the left hole. If the first drop comes out on the right, stop!!
Wait 20-30 Minutes, and turn the Pyramide slowly into north.. and enjoy the Result. ;D

ATTENTION: It?s normal, that the pyramide will start with small energy, becaus there is shurely to much saltwater inside.
Give the pyramide time (sometimes more than 60 Minutes.. the energy will increase from minute to minute.

Recalibrate the pyramide?s northing after another 60 Minutes, and don?t touch the setup anymore.
Dont forget, to give the pyramide ALL TIMES some shunt, and don?t let the contacts open.
(The voltage increases incredible, and the whole effect stalls.)
If this is happening, turn the pyramide out of the north, install some shunt (user) and turn it back to north.
Do this slowly with the eyes on the Multimeter :-)

It?s not necessary to keep a Kompass, because you can see north on the Multimeter.

@all: Sorry for my angry words a little bit above: There are some guys nerving me, they tell me wonderful results, but they won?t have anything to do with this community. (This are all fools here)
I am happy to stay her as fool in a community full of fools  ;D
because i don?t know theyr Nicknames, i can?t report these guys to stefan, but i can block them in my website.
(if it is ready soon) you don?t know how to do this? (blocking IP-Groups and Maildomains would help greatly)

@REQUEST TO ALL (of the fools here:-)
Is anybody still in Construction? Is anybody willing to give us reports?
It would be nice, to give me that kind of Message, because i spent also a lot of time for you  :-*

Nice greetings, Tom

PS. Website should be Ready this weekend. Please dont register, because we will change the script !!!

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 23, 2007, 07:52:42 PM
@REQUEST TO ALL (of the fools here:-)
Is anybody still in Construction? Is anybody willing to give us reports?
It would be nice, to give me that kind of Message, because i spent also a lot of time for you  :-*


Hi Thomas

Do not worried we have all been called worse names than fools  ;D

I will wait for V14 when all the details are released before I start replicating.

Regards

Sean.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 23, 2007, 07:57:07 PM
@Thomas,
My special thanks for your valuable support here!
I'd like to have the "privilege " as to be the first guy here replicating your pyramide and... finally posting results! I did some great steps ahead in understanding the setup, helping by you, Thomas.
Last 4 confirmations I ask you:
1. The frame is made of "square section rod"? You taked in your document of V6 about 20mmx20mm: looks like a square section!!! Or maybe PIPE (TUBE) of 20mm diameter??? Important or not, please decide and let me know!
2. Definitely: The lowest side of graphite rods are to be 2mm ABOVE the hole of the copper tube, IS THIS TRUE ??? Thanks for your filling method!
3. You said no words about the DISTANCE between the two plates 25mmx140mm of the capacitor!
Is this 1mm??? Please, confirm!
4. The pyramide lateral surface: ONLY Gypsum-paper boards???? Did you tried COPPER or STEEL? It's far much easier to built it in metal!
Thanks and waiting for your answer I remain!


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on November 23, 2007, 08:14:30 PM
Can anyone please explain what is meant by a 5% salt slution. Does this mean 95 parts water to 5 parts salt. Are these"parts" measured by weight or by volume? Let us not use ambiguous terms that can lead to confusion and misunderstanding. And to failed replications. Also let us all be patient and kind to each other in our efforts.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: spacetrax on November 23, 2007, 08:24:46 PM
We should be really thankful to Thomas for his kindness to share his knowledge with us. This is a proof that he loves the world actually, even if he thinks that the world is mean  :)
Danke Thomas!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 23, 2007, 08:53:51 PM
@Thomas
Hi Thomas,
I decided to go parallel vith V6 replication and next week together with all our friends, for V14.
Please, replay to me 4 above questions.
Let's summarize them here:
1. The frame is made of "square section rod"? You taked in your document of V6 about 20mmx20mm: looks like a square section!!! Or maybe PIPE (TUBE) of 20mm diameter??? Important or not, please decide and let me know!
2. Definitely: The lowest side of graphite rods are to be 2mm ABOVE the hole of the copper tube, IS THIS TRUE  Thanks for your filling method!
3. You said no words about the DISTANCE between the two plates 25mmx140mm of the capacitor!
Is this 1mm??? Please, confirm!
4. The pyramide lateral surface: ONLY Gypsum-paper boards? Did you tried COPPER or STEEL? It's far much easier to built it in metal!
Beyond these, there are a 5 th important one , you didn't mention :
5. What is the length of the winding coils: diameter 2.5cm, 9 coils, but the total length=???
You can place them very close one to the other or very...large.
We deal with an inductance, depending upon the length of the all 9 coils!!!
I don't want to bother you, but here we are: there are missing informations.
I'm a physicist , an experimentator. when we didn't understand a phenomena, we don't know what are those details to be neglected.
Otherwise, a failure.
This is what i propose to you and to all of our friends:
After I'll receive these 5 answer for which I thank you so much in anticipation,
I'll prepare a checking list containing ALL the informations , but ALL of them you need to replicate V6.
The nice part will come now: I'll prepare a table where we divide these details in : important and ...less important.
An examples:
Quartzsand model: you tried 40 , all of them working , as you said, but none of them not working. This is an example of a detail not very important : the model of quartzsand!
I don't make public this checking list untill I'll not have your supervision and more of this...your approuval, I'm waiting for.
Thanks ,
Dr. Ovidiu (Tigrotto)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on November 23, 2007, 09:16:14 PM
Tigrotto is rightly concerned with what is important and what is not.Do not forget to add to your list the question about how exactly to mix the salt solution, see my post earlier today. Imagine spending much time to build the device and ii fails due to wrong salt solution.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 23, 2007, 09:39:14 PM
@ Thomas and all
I prepared the list ( it's basically the english transaltion made by Stefan), where I inserted ALL the comments!
I'm waiting for Thomas approuval to send this to Thomas
Thanks,
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 23, 2007, 10:29:28 PM
@Thomas,
I decided to post for you this attached file:
The Translation German-English for V6 building instruction , made by Stefan, where I inserted in BLUE the comments where some information are still missing.
Please, take a look and if you agree, instert the answers!
Then, I'll complete the drawing with ALL these missing informations for completness.
As much our friends here are fully informed as much we'll understand these phenomena replicated by many people.
If , in turn , these informations are missing , you'll have "troubles" because, instead of people replicate the pyramid, they'll ask you again and again.
However,
I'll be one of them replicating also V6.
I'll keep you informed. See attached for the missing informations.
Thank you,
Dr. Ovidiu (Tigrotto)
Title: Daily Update 2007-11-24
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 24, 2007, 07:47:39 AM
Hello friends:
I have to give you some very important Informations about the future of TPP.
In our ONLINE Step by step Construction we should built the V12 ! because the plans for the V14 are maybe unstable.
So it could be, that we get some troubles with V14, and we will get bad words, if there is not the wanted function in a fast way.
(It?s to dangerous to get critics if we make something  unproved)

With our V12, we dont have the problem of misfunctions, and after the construction, we can speak about my changes for V14.
But now it is extremly important to show you something really working.

On the other side, the V6 shows you that the system is working proper, and so i will ask you as constructors, whats more interesting. You can decide it here, if you want to built the V12 or the V14.


I received the questions from Dr. Ovidiu (Tigrotto) and i want to give you the answered Document here on file. Now i hope, that the last questions about V6 are cleared. It is the best way to built the pyramide, and then you can try the different setups in a easy way.
(That?s why all my Pyramides looks very unprofessional :-)  But every Pyramide gets ugly, if you destruct, reconstruct, and solder for a few times :-)

A special question runs about the lenght of the wire used for the coils. Well, the lenght is not that goal (i know about the different capacitys, if you change the lenght, but believe, for our project it?s not necessary (but i don?t know why...)

Here is the hopefully finished "Whitebook for V6"

The Trawoeger, Hartmann, Ovidiu White Paper 
Pyramid Building guidance

Building guidance: pyramid with 100cm side length!
It sounds rather simple, but the basic dimensions of the pyramid do not play an important role.
Only 2 factors are important:
1. The ground shape of the pyramid must be absolutely square.
2.The length of the pyramid upper corner rods must be the same as the base quadrat square rod lengths. So all frame rods are 100 cm long !

I use for the side rods of the pyramid for the construction of the pyramid steel pipes (20x20mm).
Squares! Tubes are very complicated to construct, so we use the cheap one vith 2mm thickness
which are optimized with gypsum-paper boards( plates).
We tryed different Materials, but gypsum-paper boards worked best!
(Without these gypsum-paper boards( plates) the adjustment of the pyramid is very difficult)
Plates made of aluminum or other metals do not function.Plates from plastic do not function.

At the pyramid point for measuring purposes a plumb bob is hung up, and calculated afterwards the geometrical center of all the sides ofthe pyramid. (intersection of all surfaces in their centers -see sketch 1) .To find this exact center of all the pyramid sides is the only difficult task in setting it all up.

The pyramid must be grounded very well !(measuring position must be grounded and ground must be connected to the frame for all further measurements!)

The structure of the energy pick-up circuit is described in sketch 2.
From copper tubing approx. 12mm in diameter EXTERNAL Diamater
we are hardsoldering a "U"-shaped body.
2 pieces of T-fittings are fitted to this body at the top side.
On the upper section of this construction a small latch for attachment is hard soldered to the copper pipe.(3) and the whole body is hung with a non conductive cord in such a way into the pyramid that the pyramid center is exactly in the center of the energy pick-up capacitor.

At the left side of the Tube approx. a 90 mm long Graphiterod is in such a manner inserted that it is put centrically into the pipe and has no contact to the pipe.
(NOTE! The rod must be free hanging and must not be fixed down there at the bottom... !)

Now wind 9 turns of isolated copperwire 2.5 mm diameter to a coil winding. (inside diameter about 25mm) Thats not doumented, because it doesn?t matter ! and let the free end run downward.

On the opposite side put likewise a graphiterod (2-3mm diameter pencil rod) freely hanging into the tube. (length of the graphiterod a bit longer e.g. 95mm):
Is this extremely important that the length of the right side rod (95mm as you said ) be a little bit more then the left side(90mm, see above)?????? ? YES!

Bore at the right side a small hole approx. 2mm diameter into the copper tube. This hole must be somewhat more below than the Graphiterod`s end !!! (distance at least 2mm) . At the left side also approx. a 2mm hole is bored (also here somewhat more below than the Graphiterod?s end !
So that the Left  side hole is about 5mm above the right side hole ( because the right side rod is 95mm length and the left side rod is 90mm) ( 95mm-90mm=5mm) .?????? ?YES!!

At the right side a coil moving in opposite directions with 9 turns (2.5 mm cu) is installed.
Did you mean that the ?moving directions? of the two symmetric coils are exactly opposite one respect to the other? --YES

In sketch 3 the condenser is explained!
The condenser is to stand accurately with its center in the absolute center of the pyramid.
 The energy pick-up tubing must now completely (however loosely!) filled with quartz sand (.g. finest desert sand or filtersand for pools).
NOTE! When filling it is to be made certain that the electrodes (Graphiterods) do not get in contact with the copperpipes (test with Ohmmeter) 

Now hang the energy pick-up tubing in such a way into the pyramid that the condenser hangs exactly in the center of the pyramid!
Do not set up the pyramid yet for this procedure into Noth South direction!!!!!
Now with a one-way syringe inject saltwater (approx. 5%) into the left lower hole, until the first drop comes out at the right hole.
SLOWLY inject saltwater until the Graphite rods are standing with their lower ends in the saltwater-sand solution.
Sketch 4 shows, in which angle the energy pick-up tubing is to be connected to the pyramid, and how the pyramid is adjusted to north-south alignment.

A small plate capacitor (approx. 25x 140 mm):you forgott to mention the distance between the plates:this give the capacity and is important!  YES. It?s very important, and you have to fix the distance for each pyramide specially. In most cases, you need a distance between 4-7 mm.where only the plus pole is going through  ( what does it mean?????) ? It means, that one pole is connected with the Center, and one Pole is connected with the pyramide itself!!and the negative pole comes from the pyramid frame can multiply the power output of the pyramid.
This must be placed diagonally downward running in the angle of approx. 40 ? right-angled
to the pyramid at the energy pick-up tubing.
From this capacitor also the real output power of the pyramid power takes place. (EXIT!)
(Note: The negative pole must be connected from the pyramid frame to this capacitor
to the other capacitor plate.)

Adjustment of the noth-south alignment:
Connect a voltmeter to the output and turn the pyramid slowly .
As soon as the pyramid shows the highest voltage tension. (open circuit voltage approx.. 19 V) the direction aligment fits.
Possible sources of error:
Too much saltwater: --- Simply , wait one hour until it has run out enough.
Too low volume of saltwater: - - - Inject more saltwater until it drops out of the right hole.
graphite rod to electrode contact: ---check before installation with an Ohmmeter, that this is not the case.
Further possibilities: ------Condenser short-circuit (test it before assembly)
Pyramid does not generate power: -----Change Location, try it outdoors.

English Translation by Stefan Hartmann for www.overunity.com
Edited by Dr. Ovidiu and Thomas Trawoeger
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 24, 2007, 07:59:09 AM
EXTRA INFO:
It can be, that i?m a little bit in silence till Monday morning. This is because i am busy in a Fair till Sunday evening.
So don?t worry about me ;D
we will hear us latest on monday morning, and the website should be ready for this time too.

My website could be down for this time too   :P   - FINAL RECONSTRUCTION TIME -

Till Monday we will decide to built the right TPP

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tao on November 24, 2007, 08:30:14 AM
Well done Thomas!

I vote that we do the v12, because as you said yourself, there will be no problems to built a completely working v12 because you know all the pieces very well!

The v14 is new, and there might be some modifications or changes that need to take place to make v14 be the best it can be, and so this might lead to potential problems and 'bad words' from people.

So, I vote that we all build the v12 together, because it has now been established as a working model by you! Once many have good replications, then a v14 can come...

I want to say Thomas: I can't THANK YOU ENOUGH for doing all of this, I am very happy to be a part of this momentous occasion. You are spending a lot of time and effort in this project and I fully appreciate everything you are doing for us!!!

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 24, 2007, 08:56:10 AM
@ Thomas,
Thanks Thomas for the fact that you understood and followed my request.
Pretty complete, I'll built also V6, as I said.
I'll vote for V12: the surest is the best.
At the beginning of our research work we need to built something "reliable".
God bless you and your family!
Dr. Ovidiu (Tigrotto)
Title: Just another Update :-)
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 24, 2007, 01:03:06 PM
Hello Community
The website www.trawoeger-pyramide.info is now Online, all Mirrors work proper, and the system should work stable.
You can register, make traffic and Check the stability till we lauch on next Monday.
Have some nice days.

Please regard my spacial Message to: Mr. PESE, Mr. HARTMANN, and TIGROTTO on my Website

Have some nice day,
 Thomas
Title: Re: Just another Update :-)
Post by: helmut on November 24, 2007, 03:12:49 PM
Hello Community
The website www.trawoeger-pyramide.info is now Online, all Mirrors work proper, and the system should work stable.
You can register, make traffic and Check the stability till we lauch on next Monday.
Have some nice days.

Please regard my spacial Message to: Mr. PESE, Mr. HARTMANN, and TIGROTTO on my Website

Have some nice day,
 Thomas


So then

Congratulations to your Website.I will register at Monday.
At the time i have no space for a new Projekt.The other replikations
take there own needs in Time,Money and Room.
So i will not be with the
lucky Guys,that starts there own replikation.But for shure i will read and learn.

And perhaps ( who knows ?) the pyramide energy might be the source vor a
amplifikation Projekt similar to the magnacoaster Projekt or other Systems,that needs
power supply as basic.

helmut
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on November 24, 2007, 09:05:27 PM
My goodness we live in exiting times! Sadly I am not a young man and I keep hoping this could be the breakthrough I have been hoping for so that there is hope for the future for my grandchildren and of course yours and everyone Else's. It is no exaggeration to say that Thomas holds the future of our earth in his hands. even if this project proves incapable of development and enlargement, if it is proved to be overunity, it will break the damn, and release a tidal wave of future research which is bound to bring free energy.If it proves capable of replication, I wonder if Mr Thomas has any idea of the importance of this thing?Also I am a bit surprised that this is the first post for many hours,
                In Thomas last posts he refers to sketches 1 to 4. Where can i access these sketches please? Also could someone help this old fool to understand What exactly is a 5% salt solution? How exactly do you measure it? Somebody somewhere must know, or am I the only one on the planet who does not know?
Love and peace, Neptune
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 24, 2007, 09:43:40 PM
Simply: 95 grams of water, 5 grams of salt , not volums!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on November 26, 2007, 08:52:52 PM
Mant thanks to Tigotto for that small but important information. I am very pleased that the pyramid web site is up and running, even if traffic is fairly light up to now. As constuction details emerge, I expect it will get very busy, and successful replications will flourish.I hope this will be the breakthrough we all long for.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: fritz on November 26, 2007, 11:45:52 PM
@fritz,
Thanks for your special attention you paid to my posting here,
I'm proud for the fact that by my input we finally understood how to built the electric circuit.
OK!

@fritz,
Thanks for your special attention you paid to my posting here,
I'm proud for the fact that by my input we finally understood how to built the electric circuit.
OK!
No microwaves behaviour, also because it looks like the osc. frecv. should be around 8MHz( easy to calculate the Llegt-CCentral-Lright circuit frecq.).

Is there an evidence that the stuff oscillates with 8 MHz ?
This would be easy to proove using a spectrum analyzer
and attach it to the output wire .....

The "facts" I collected so far from various postings are:

1) horizontal alignment is essential (N/S)
2) alignment of the setup inside essential
3) some influence with faraday shielding
4) influence by water-lines in the ground
5) no ripple visible on the output line

What I expect from these facts is the following:

6) The pyramide somehow taps a vertical flux - or
    however we will call it. Because of (4)
7) This "flux" is somehow coupled to magnetic
    properties. Otherwise (electrostatic)(3) would have
   a dominant effect.
8) This "flux" has something todo with earth magnetic
    field (1)

If something electromagnetic would happen inside the
pyramide - the geometry of the inside parts, fact 2 and 5
would really give the evidence for involvement of microwaves.
The pyramide would be something like a "horn" receiving
antenna and the copper tube square would be a magnetic
frame antenna well fitted to microwave means.
The coils right and left in combination with the cap in the
middle would be to match the impedance to the desired
power output - as well as to pick up the radiation from the
antenna.
The carbon rods + saltwater rectify/collect/bias the stuff -
(support operation).

Even if the LC tank formed by the coils and the cap have
a 8 MHz resonant frequency  - the usage acc. to my
statement above would be to transform the high current/
low voltage input from the frame antenna to an output power
matched to the needs to operate the fan 19V/ some mA.
.......
Is there something I missed out ?

I really need a working pyramide on my desk....
waiting for V1x...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on November 27, 2007, 05:39:18 PM
Can no longer access the pyramide website. Is it just me or are others having problems?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: CLaNZeR on November 27, 2007, 05:41:34 PM
Can no longer access the pyramide website. Is it just me or are others having problems?

Not at the moment, I got a PM as probably everyone else did in their mailbox. Worth checking.

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: gpweb on November 27, 2007, 06:05:40 PM
Terrorism? ???
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on November 27, 2007, 07:24:11 PM
No worries people, the pyramide site is working again. Long may it stay
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 27, 2007, 08:01:33 PM
Hello out there:
The last hours showed us, that there is nothing secure in the world wide web.
It?s right, we had some very bad situation (descripted in our Website) and we have to think about more ideas to bring V12 to live.
So it could not a bad idea to speak with some Admins of ralated Website, to swap our "game" to more Websites.

(This will bring some Danger to them, but it couldn?t stop the Pyramide?s Construction)

I had a very long Phonecall to my Sysadmins, and they told me, that my "Hacker" was not a Child. (He knew, what he did, and he did it quiet perfect)
So I am a little sad, because we don?t hurt anybody with our Pyramide. (we don?t construct a bomb)

nice greetings
Tom
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Dansway on November 27, 2007, 08:09:47 PM
@Tom,

Stay the course!  No good deed goes unpunished!

Thanks again Thomas for giving us your technology!

Regards,

Dan
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 27, 2007, 08:58:03 PM
Show must go on !!!!
Questions for Thomas:
1. Many of us are not space for 1000mm pyramid:
A 600mm pyamid will have the same output power as one of 1000mm? How much will bi different?
2. A 600mm pyramid have to use the same 20mmx20mm square pipes? If not, then, what dimension? there is a relationship between length and dimension of the ssquare of pipes?
Thanks ,
tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on November 27, 2007, 10:30:27 PM
Hello Tigrotto:
What happens, if the weather in italy is beautiful, but in Spain, the people have snow..... :-)
I can?t tell you something about a 600mm Pyramide, because i never built one.

Possible answers: I Think, the pyramide will produce less of energy ( 99%shure)
The pyramide will be 400mm smaller than the V12 (100%shure)
The pyramide will be a little bit ugly with that fat tubes (100%shure)

But maybe we will get some results from pyras in this dimension..
Nice greetings from Tom
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 27, 2007, 11:30:37 PM
@Thomas:
Whe wheather in Itlay is nice because the Italiens are a good people!!! ;)
I sent you these questions :
Please, replay point-by-point:
Hi Thomas,
I'll ask again hoping you'll replay to me:
1. See attached file I posted on Forum here: Project TPP/ Technical Discussions :Which is the correct? A or B?
2. Form my 600mm pyramid: It is absolutely necessary to use 20mmx20mm pipes? Will work well aslo with 10mmx10mm?
3. Square profile for frame pipes is a must? Not rectangular, nor round, only square???
Please do your best as me to receive these answers,
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 27, 2007, 11:53:24 PM
@Thomas:
Whe wheather in Itlay is nice because the Italiens are a good people!!!
I sent you these questions :
Please, replay point-by-point:
Hi Thomas,
I'll ask again hoping you'll replay to me:
1. See attached file I posted on Forum here: Project TPP/ Technical Discussions :Which is the correct? A or B?
2. Form my 600mm pyramid: It is absolutely necessary to use 20mmx20mm pipes? Will work well aslo with 10mmx10mm?
3. Square profile for frame pipes is a must? Not rectangular, nor round, only square???
Please do your best as me to receive these answers,
Tigrotto
 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tao on November 28, 2007, 01:29:33 AM
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Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Eden on November 28, 2007, 10:54:43 AM
@all
this might already have been said, but just in case I would like to state it now:

it is important to construct the pyramid according to the measurements of the GOLDEN MEAN.
most of the things in earths nature are "made" that way, even the humans...and the Gizeh Pyramids
are also built that way. there is a reason for it. Some call it the 'divine geometry' (has nothing to do with religion).

Eden
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: abassign on November 28, 2007, 11:44:26 AM
@tigrotto

Also I confirm that Italian people are fantastic, also because I am Italian...
Only from few time, I initiate to read on the experimentation that you are doing on the pyramid, but I have not understand if you have gotten some results or if you are still in phase of preparation.

Also I desire to make some experimentation, but a lot of information miss me.
It is possible to reassume, for me, as for whoever other than wants to begin, the essential elements to be able to start and eventually the results already reached. To avoid to have to discover the warm water...

Best regards,
Adriano
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on November 28, 2007, 12:12:31 PM
Ciao Adriano,
contattami sulla posta privata, possiamo parlare al telefono prima!
Ovidiu
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: freecell on November 30, 2007, 01:37:59 PM
Wie ich sehe ist die Internetseite immer noch nicht repariert.

@Thomas. Bez. Domain/HP habe ich Dir gestern eine Mail geschrieben.

@Thomas + all ; Bez. Doku + Homepage. W?re es nicht sinnvoll die Bauanleitung bzw. Erfahrungen zusammen in einem pdf-Dokument irgendwo abzulegen, da ein Dokument relativ schnell weit verbreitet werden kann und so vor weiteren L?schversuchen sicher ist. Man k?nnte dann f?r jedem neuen Bauabschnitt die Versiosnr hochz?hlen und dann diese wieder verschicken.

Ein Forum wie das hier, indem wir bereits diskutieren haben wir schon.

Gr??e, freecell

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on November 30, 2007, 02:01:49 PM
doch unter
www.trawoeger-pyramide.info

l?uft das

Pese

www.pese.cjb.net
www.pesetrier.stormloader.com
www.beam.to/presse
www.beam.to/zs
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: freecell on November 30, 2007, 02:40:18 PM
@pese,  thanks
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid WONDERFUL NEWS
Post by: pese on December 02, 2007, 02:08:44 PM
@pese,  thanks

The first (readers made) device is now running with about 5 watts output!

Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on December 03, 2007, 02:19:38 AM
How big is it?
 :)
How much did it cost to build?
Have endurance tests been, or are the being,  conducted (to see how long the output remains)?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 03, 2007, 08:10:42 AM
Use the forum.
the lessions will be end on christmas,

Pese

Users  cant copy that treads and informations to other
pages,  Log in. It is easyest way .
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on December 03, 2007, 02:07:46 PM
@all
this might already have been said, but just in case I would like to state it now:

it is important to construct the pyramid according to the measurements of the GOLDEN MEAN.
most of the things in earths nature are "made" that way, even the humans...and the Gizeh Pyramids
are also built that way. there is a reason for it. Some call it the 'divine geometry' (has nothing to do with religion).

Eden

Erm... Actually, the various pyramids on the Gizeh Plateau have DIFFERENT geometries, different angles at which their sides slope.
It is NOT so that all pyramids at Gizeh have the Golden Mean ratios. Sorry.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 03, 2007, 03:38:45 PM
Most of all pyramides in egypt china mexico have different angels.
forget this .that only GIZEH is working !.

possibly the power-point is in the mid of all tirangle walls
centering.

So you can build also the trawoeger pyramide with GIZEH
scematics.

Only the ground must be in right 90 degrees angel in SQUARE !

So you can build , or ignore.
Pese

 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 03, 2007, 03:45:08 PM
@ Gustav,
Thomas said : ALL the 8 "arms "  of pyramid have to be THE SAME LENGTH...
He added : also the base have to be a perfect square...
Thomas said, not me...
So that , how could you say that GIZEH like pyramid could works ? For sure???
Maybe they works, but DEFINITELY ARE NO THOMAS PYRAMID'S LIKE!!!!!
Dr. Ovidiu
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 03, 2007, 03:55:41 PM
yes he said this , so .
even any "..." can construct this , and not make errors in cahnging the different arms to an
scpar pyramide.

IIF YOU HAVE READ ALL (like me since 2005) you must KNOW that Traw?ger say.
ONLKY thae QUARE ist definitly to give attention !!
Any change in the angel of the top have NOTHING to to with the power.


GIVE ATTENTION
to :
Ground square.
Centering of the coil (in the Phyramide.
and to the earth North Pole.
-------------------------------------------
also the used materials. See in Forum.



READ in the Forum properly all , so you find also
the same KNOWLEDGES.

Its not need to ASKK anything , all is written down

Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on December 03, 2007, 04:23:17 PM
Sorry pese, but I do need to ask you this question:

If it is true what Tigrotto says, that
"Thomas said : ALL the 8 "arms "  of pyramid have to be THE SAME LENGTH...
He added : also the base have to be a perfect square...",

then that means there is a very strict angle for the pyramids apex.

That does not accord with your statement that
"ONLKY thae QUARE ist definitly to give attention !!
Any change in the angel of the top have NOTHING to to with the power."

So do you mean to say that what Tigrotto said is incorrect?
That it does not matter how long the triangular sides are and at what angle they meet at the apex,
as long as you make sure the base is a perfect square?

So we could in fact make one that is very high and slim, like 30cmx30cm base and 200cm high?

and please don't get upset, I'm only asking... :)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 03, 2007, 04:30:50 PM
@ Gustav,
Here are the Thomas's words , 100% :

Only 2 factors are important:
1. The ground shape of the pyramid must be absolutely square.
2.The length of the pyramid upper corner rods must be the same as the base quadrat square rod lengths. So all frame rods are 100 cm long !

No comments! ( At least, no comments from my side!)
No need also to disturb again Thomas with these questions!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 03, 2007, 07:28:42 PM
Pay attention . this is very important. Thomas said, that it is the inside surface of the plasterboard[coating] that has the important dimensions. Therefore, the upright [corner]rods are 1000mm long if measured from the floor. If these rods sit on top of the base frame, they need to be less than 1000mm. so, make the frame so that if you could measure the corner joint, inside the pyramid, between two adjacent sides, it would be exactly 1000mm.I have posted here because Thomas site is for serious constructors only. It is a shame that hurricane has not reappeared yet, but Thomas has verified that he is genuine[not fake] I have bought my steel, but no time for welding till weekend.My plan is to use all 30x30x3mm angle iron.We can all think of 1000 questions that can not be answered until we have working pyramids. I hope to build a v6, and change it to a V12 when info becomes available.The V6 circuit is very puzzling when viewed by someone educated in conventional electronics. It would seem to have a very high internal resistance. According to Hurricans published results, he gets about3/4 amp at 6volts. That suggests a load of about 8 ohms. There is no info about the nature of the load. Is it purely resistive? any inductance or capacitance? Still if the output is DC I guess it does not matter.I am in the UK in Lincolnshire. Are there any other constructors in my area?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 04, 2007, 08:41:21 PM
@koen1

You can only say , WHAT OU KNOW
You cant never SAY that YOU NOT KNOW
You can NEVER SA that that wat i KNOW is WRONG
- because do have not the knowledge and not READ al that
Trawoeger have written  in Forum or mailed with me.

FORGET IT.
Is no Problem to take 1meter or take the Dimension from GIZEH
or any other Phra,mide in THIS WORLD.

Only the Flat must by an rigt square .

It make not "sense" to ask , if all people know this better .

If you look for an "kindergarden" this is not the right place.


IT IS TRUE that T.T. say in this forum take all ARMS 1 meter long

So all folks build on the same ITEM .
So he can better explay and leading you to an working
device . That is the only reason, to say NOW 1 Meter !

If you will have right , no problem , hold it , so long as you want it

Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on December 05, 2007, 12:02:02 PM
@koen1

You can only say , WHAT OU KNOW
You cant never SAY that YOU NOT KNOW
Oh, but it is very easy to say THAT you don't know. It's stating exactly WHAT you do not know that is difficult ;)


Quote
You can NEVER SA that that wat i KNOW is WRONG
- because do have not the knowledge and not READ al that
Trawoeger have written  in Forum or mailed with me.
I fear you misunderstand my point.
I am not trying to tell you you are wrong at all.
I am asking you what you think about the subject, because you and Tigrotto appeared to be saying contradictory things.
And I am of course asking you because you have made it very clear that you apparently have been following this for years now,
and therefore know more about it than me. Why are you turning that around and BLAMING me for not knowing?
If someone asks you where London is, do you blame them for asking and not knowing, or do you tell them where it is? ;)

Quote
FORGET IT.
Forget WHAT exactly?
Quote
Is no Problem to take 1meter or take the Dimension from GIZEH
or any other Phra,mide in THIS WORLD.
Well if that is the case then it shouldn't be a problem to use any dimensions as long at it is still a pyramid of some kind...right?
So whether or not a pyramid actually already exists in this world with those same dimensions (I mean height, length, width, not time and space)
doesn't really matter then, does it?
Oh, and again, I am ASKING, not telling you.

Quote
Only the Flat must by an rigt square .

It make not "sense" to ask , if all people know this better .
It also makes not sense speak as Yoda to do. Better people will understand this not. ;) Sorry for the joke. :)
Do you mean to say that it is no use to ask people if they know if it works?
Why not? If there is any sort of theory behind it, or if mr Trawoeger has ever mentioned anything about the need for
a certain angle at the top or the length of the arms not being important during those years that I have not read about,
then obviously it DOES make sense to ask people who have been following mr Trawoegers work for longer...

Quote
If you look for an "kindergarden" this is not the right place.
No, indeed this is not a kindergarten, this is a forum.
Which means that we discuss things here.
If you are unwilling to discuss things, then why post on the forum?
If you're looking for someone to insult, then I must disappoint you. Your insult is simply not clear enough to be insulting.
If it is not meant as an insult, then I am completely missing the point you are trying to make here.


Quote
IT IS TRUE that T.T. say in this forum take all ARMS 1 meter long

So all folks build on the same ITEM .
So he can better explay and leading you to an working
device . That is the only reason, to say NOW 1 Meter !
Ah, well at least this part is clear. :)
So it does NOT matter what length the arms are, as long as the sides of the base square are all equal,
but to make it easier to compare the replicated versions built by the others,
mr Trawoeger has decided to use 1 meter sides everywhere, so that everyone build the same 1 meter pyramid.
Thank you for clearing that up.
So we CAN in fact build a pyramid with a base of 1x1m and a height of let's say 2m, if we wanted to.


Quote
If you will have right , no problem , hold it , so long as you want it
Pardon?
Oh you mean to say "if it works, no problem, make it as high as you want to"?
Ok then.
Well thanks for clearing this up.
You see, this is why I asked you and not Tigrotto. Clearly Tigrotto has followed the recent building instructions,
but thinks that the dimensions have to be exact on all points, whereas you have been following it for a longer time
and know that some of the dimensions, like the square base, are crucial, but others like the height are not.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 05, 2007, 01:53:26 PM
Sorry Koen, i excuses me, some people talk only to talk, I try to avoid for myself. So it makes no difference, whether Gizeh or Cheops. It must hang together with the centre point with every corner "somewhere else" lies. Certainly this will test everybody which has with 9 watts not enough and will experiment.
Greeting Pese.

Think on it "Gipsum" (that was new for me)

Trigrotto , will not say anything against. He do this work , and can say, that what he know .

if i belive to know.. , i ca sepkulate and say this. all others (i hope) is right.
Title: Trawoeger's Pyramid Power webpage hacked again, database deleted!
Post by: Pontifex on December 05, 2007, 02:01:53 PM
Quote
Server Script started on Nov. 26. 2007 0 mirrors watching........  All Mirrors infected... SQL Database deleted by * ADMIRAL BLACK :-)*

Mirror system gives  red alert!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 05, 2007, 02:08:58 PM
Yeah, What happened to the site????? I did receive a message PESE
Who ever the heck he is?????
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: spacetrax on December 05, 2007, 04:22:47 PM
THOMAS SHOULD PUBLISH NOW ALL TECHNICAL DETAILS OF V12  and not wait until Christmas, if he wants to do so, because somebody is obviously trying to prevent him from disclosing everything. His forum was obviously hacked, the bad guys are trying to stop the disclosure.

Yeah, What happened to the site????? I did receive a message PESE
Who ever the heck he is?????
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on December 05, 2007, 05:02:32 PM
Hello outside there:
Well, our nice Servers and mirrors get bombed totally... Everything is damaged, all SQL?s are deleted, and if we take the backups to the Servers, everything is deleted in less than 30 seconds... (I am that sad, because you can?t see my tears in the eyes)

Well, we have to search for a better way to go ahead. Maybe we can go online this evening....
ng, Tom

(It seems to become "kindergarden" still on this site! Mr. KOEN, and Mr. PESE!)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 05, 2007, 05:10:25 PM
Thank You Thomas
Very sorry to here of this prob and i am to sad of here this development. Hope to here better news soon  :'(
Thanks
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tao on December 05, 2007, 06:32:50 PM
Hello outside there:
Well, our nice Servers and mirrors get bombed totally... Everything is damaged, all SQL?s are deleted, and if we take the backups to the Servers, everything is deleted in less than 30 seconds... (I am that sad, because you can?t see my tears in the eyes)

Well, we have to search for a better way to go ahead. Maybe we can go online this evening....
ng, Tom

(It seems to become "kindergarden" still on this site! Mr. KOEN, and Mr. PESE!)


Thomas,

Your faithful mod here!

That is horrible what has happened to the site, but it only confirms what we know about certain people that don't want information to reach the masses.

It seems you have set the date Thomas, December 9th!

It is a shame it couldn't be done the slower way and on the forum, but this is probably the best idea now, because the forum has already been hacked twice now, by powerful forces.

tao
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on December 05, 2007, 06:39:31 PM
Where is my last post? (Mr. Stefan)  :o
Well I can do it twice:
Look to www.trawoeger-pyramide.info, and follow the small klickable hint on the Site:
Here you will get the Full V12 File    (74,2 MM-Zipped)
Good luck, and merry Christmas
Tom
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pontifex on December 05, 2007, 07:13:43 PM
Quote
The right guys will have access to these File, and i hope, you know, how to get in....
Hmmmm, maybe I am not one of the right guys......

1. Available on Sun 9th under username and password from the (hacked) forum?
2. Available now for the people who know the right pass ?

Sorry Thomas, I am puzzled about this....

Heads up Thomas, I feel very sorry about the recent development but you are still alive.
Maybe Stefan can give us the opportunity to discuss things on his board?

Many thanks to you and greetings, Pontifex 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 05, 2007, 07:27:53 PM
Thanks Thomas
I will be glad to wait tell Sunday and for all the guy's that helped Thomas.... Thanks also
U deserve the right ;D

Regards
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 05, 2007, 07:40:51 PM
Hi Thomas. You must not let these fools break you. You must stay strong. We will support you in any way we can. The truth will come out. You will win because what you are doing is for the good of everyone. I can not yet access the v12 information. I will wait until Sunday. If that fails, I will make the v6, and publish results here if your site is not working. As we say in England, keep your chin up.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 05, 2007, 07:44:15 PM
Thomas,

Please be careful!

You have disclosed when you will make the files available and now thoes guys may try do you harm in order to stop this.

I have not posted in a while but I am still building...


-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tao on December 05, 2007, 07:56:33 PM
I just watched as all the files and directories were erased from www.trawoeger-pyramide.info! I kept refreshing the site and I could see the directory structure being removed as I kept refreshing!

Now, I see only the lone file index.txt , http://www.trawoeger-pyramide.info/index.txt

and it contains this:

"YOU ARE BLAMED NOW...."

Thomas, please PM me, the v12 info must be made available, it seems now you are under relentless attack...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 05, 2007, 07:59:31 PM
At this time: 20:00 it is impossible to access the Thomas's site.
All failed!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: PI-Rob on December 05, 2007, 08:05:20 PM
@ Tao

i just watched the same happening looked like a core dump
going on as well?


Rob.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 05, 2007, 08:05:29 PM
Thomas,
Send me via PM the V12 documentation. Use the classic site : www.yousendit.com
you can send for free up to 1 GB.
If you really want to share this info with us, the community, send us by www.yousendit.com.
It's extremely simply and...no dangerous!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 05, 2007, 08:05:39 PM
To let survive the information,Thomas have to put NOW the schematics in many hands as possible.
Then nothing bad will happen.
.
Regards,
Cyrano.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 05, 2007, 08:08:53 PM
@ Thomas
PLEASE, USE THE SITE I GAVE YOU TO SHARE VERY FAST THE INFO WITH ALL YOU WANT OF US!
www.yousendit.com
My address you have it!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 05, 2007, 08:10:40 PM
I just watched as all the files and directories were erased from www.trawoeger-pyramide.info! I kept refreshing the site and I could see the directory structure being removed as I kept refreshing!

I saw it too.   :'(

For a short time there was a file 'core' with 2.5 MB. I downloaded it but i think it's only a core dump of the linux (?) machine.

Was anybody able to download the 74 MB file ?   ???
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 05, 2007, 08:13:20 PM
Thomas,

It sounds like the hackers have install a root kit on the server.

What does that mean?

The hackers have replaced some of your system binary file with custom compiled binaries that allows them direct access to your server (simplified explanation).

Unless your experienced at dealing with theses kinds of issues then your best option is to have the disk wipped clean and reinstall the operating system.

Then after reinstalling the OS,  block ALL services except ssh coming from designated IPs with your firewall.

Allow only admins ssh access until time to release the files.


-Duff


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: cytochrom on December 05, 2007, 08:13:37 PM
Hi all,

its a shame to see how this forces work against Thomas
and all of us. I hope Thomas will succeed in spreading the files on sunday.
If all publications of v12 fail, I will continue with v6, too.

We are with you Thomas!


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 05, 2007, 08:14:52 PM
If Thomas wants he have only to upload on www.yousendit.com the zip file.
He know aour addresses!
Impossible otherwise to download !!!!!!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 05, 2007, 08:34:59 PM
Hello Tigrotto
Man this is nuts !!!! Thomas is a good man and wants to release his information. The old saying if there is a Will, there is a Way will come into play.
Who ever is behind this crap is good at what they do. I just pray that Thomas is ok. More than likely the file has already been handed to some folks for safe keeping and when the time is right Thomas will release the file.

Hang in there Thomas

Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 05, 2007, 08:40:15 PM
Did anybody manage to access the V12 Files using the "clickable hint" ? I did not. Oh and thanks to Hartiberlin , at least we have this site for dicussion...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pontifex on December 05, 2007, 08:40:43 PM
I just watched as all the files and directories were erased from www.trawoeger-pyramide.info! I kept refreshing the site and I could see the directory structure being removed as I kept refreshing!

Same here! Folder after folder just disappeared. The hacker(s) still have full access to the server.
Thomas, if I was you I would disclose everything as soon as possible!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: bourne on December 05, 2007, 09:01:08 PM
SAME

The site was there, I tried logging in,

No joy.

Just looked again

Gone....

WTF!

We can do nothing but wait and keep calm.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 05, 2007, 09:13:57 PM
Can anybody tell me the difference between european time and GMT [Greenwich Mean time]? i Guess there will be no lie-in on sunday? Hope fully the info will be out sooner than that.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: JosefH on December 05, 2007, 09:15:49 PM
Hello community, hello Thomas,
i have changed my Name, i will construct my first pyramid never mind wherefrom coms the dates - we will constract and spread it.
josefH
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 05, 2007, 09:18:47 PM
bourne said "We can do nothing but wait and keep calm. WRONG
 We cxan build the V6...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: JosefH on December 05, 2007, 09:20:24 PM
Hello N,
Grenwich is MEZ minus 1
JosefH
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: JosefH on December 05, 2007, 09:31:45 PM
Hello @all,
Quote
We cxan build the V6..

This is an good idea .
J
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 05, 2007, 09:42:16 PM
Absolutely Neptune

Yes we can build, We have the data and the know how !
I'm with yeah and this is bold for me.
So U hackers " To Hell with yea"
Come see my glow

B.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: bourne on December 05, 2007, 10:01:17 PM
bourne said "We can do nothing but wait and keep calm. WRONG
 We cxan build the V6...

Very true!

Sorry everyone I got all excited

I wanted my first post on this thread to be about how I had really enjoyed reading the whole thread and was looking forward to building this after christmas. When all the festivities had finished and full attention could be put on it.

It should only take a day, or less to build, it seems to me. Once the instructions are fully understood.

But now we have had a boiling point reached and something had to give, It looks like it was the website

This, remember is still the beginning of this potentially wonderful journey

Patience is now what I will be applying, not excitement.

Who was it that said once "be cool"
Title: ww.yousendit.com
Post by: Tigrotto on December 05, 2007, 10:42:54 PM
@ Thomas
@all
"We're in the army now!"
Please, Thomas, send to those of us you'll choose the V12 package ONLY by www.yousendit.com.
This is far the surest way to send these informations now, in "war".
Sending these informations now means going ahead with our project. Otherwise we'll risk to loose time and...information!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Thomas_Trawoeger on December 06, 2007, 07:52:44 AM
Hello friends:
Yesterday evening, we had a spacial meeting with our Lawyer, and we discussed the problem...
Well, we had the full program yesterday.... bombing the servers, a burglary in my old garage, and some defenitive
warnings against me and my family.

Now, everything is done for the security of my family, and so we will go ahead to swap V12.

No, and really no... Nobody can stop the process of swapping these informations, but the other side will try to make me unbelieveable, and as they told, they want to blame me...

Now, this is getting a private thing between me and these fuckin? assholes.

We are living in a free world, V12 is my private property, and everything we do isn?t against any Law.
(We do not construct bombs)

So let me tell you, what we do.... we will start again, and all the interesting members will stay behind us...
And if we get bombed again, we will start again and again and again....

I gave the word, that on Christmas Day some V12 will run in the whole world, and i will hold this word....
I WILL BLAME NOBODY, and i got some new friend in Swiss helping me to fullfill my promise...

We will finish our work and we will compare our results.  AMEN!

So don?t put away your Constructions. I will give all Constructors Info as soon as possible!
ng, Tom
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Freezer on December 06, 2007, 08:12:55 AM
The closer we get, the more resistance will build up.  I wonder if its some secret government agency, or some individuals who seek claim to your invention who are responsible for the attacks.  If its government, its gonna be quite a feat to keep the server up.  If its some individuals, they should be able to be traced somehow.  I hope you are safe, and am glad the project will still go through.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 06, 2007, 09:22:53 AM
Hi Thomas,
Please help Tinu, he built PERFECTLY V6 but it doesn't work!
He wants to contact you and ask you to HELP him!
He's very upset, dissapointed, aso.
He's one of the constructors and this is the first "official"  initial failure of a constructor , NOT OF THE V6!
I'll give you on your Private Mail his phone number.
He need your phone calling!
thanks in the name of community!
tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 06, 2007, 02:08:02 PM
@ Thomas,
 Bravo ! Es ist gut zu erkennen , dass es Leute (Industrie? Staat? oder wer ? - gibt,
die dies st?rt , selbst nur ein "paar Brotkrumen" aus der freien Energie herauszuschneiden !

Oder ist es die Angst , dass die Leute erknnen und "ein Brett vor dem Kof weggenommen wird",
das Dinge ausser der Schulphysik m?glich sind.

Nach Deinen Vorschl?gen sind funktionierende Ger?te vorhanden und Jeder kann die schon
JETZT nachbauen. Die Zeichnungen aus Deinem Forum sind auf X - Festplatten und werden
sicher ?ber "Aber-X" Foren verteilt , wenn man Dich (und den Fortschritt) hindert.
Erstmal : Vielen Dank f?r Deine Bem?hungen bist jetzt , der ?ffentlichkeit , trotz aller Anfeindungen,
etwas geben zu wollen , was einen "generellen Wandel" darstellen wird.

LG
Gustav Pes?
P.S
Du hast das Letzte mal vor ?ffnung Deiner URL , Zu Deiner Sicherheit (wie Du sagtest) zun?chst
die komplette Zeichnung hier (auch andere Foren?) ver?ffentlicht ! Vielleicht ist dass eine M?glichkeit
so den Druck wegzunehmen , den Deine Gegener , vor einer Wiederer?ffnung bef?rchten.
Mach die B?chse nochmal auf?, mit den Bastelpl?nen und praktischer F?hrung der "Nachbauer",
hast Du sicher dann mehr Ruhe.



Thomas, Bravo!! It is good to recognise, that it people (industry? State? or who? - gives which disturbs this, even only one " pair of breadcrumbs (or peanuts)" from the free energy to take oute from them ! Or if it is the fear that the people erknnen and " a board before the Kof is taken away " for which things are possible except school physics. By your suggestions functioning devices exist and NOW everybody can copy that already. 
The drawings from your forum are on X - hard disks and forums are distributed certainly about "Aber-X" if one hinders you (and the progress). First: Now many thanks for your efforts is to be wanted to give, the general public, in spite of all hostility, something what will show a " general change ".

Gustav Pes?

P.S.
Also : the "Bankers" have ask Tesla:

And HOW you will install the "Billcounter" for the "Electricity" ?
So Tesla , not received any money to develop "free energy" longer....
(only problems ...)  so i hope for the best ways for Thomas.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 06, 2007, 03:15:40 PM
Message to Herr Trawoeger. I really hope you and your family keep safe. It is easy for us guys. Talking is cheap. You are the man who is in   "line of fire" and we are all thinking of you. It would be nice if you could spare a few minutes to help Tinu.
                   This bit is for English speaking people. We owe  a lot to Thomas, and out of respect, it would be nice if we could say his name correctly. My German friend says, it is pronounced as
TRAVOLGA , each letter A sounds the same as in cat.I hope this is right.
Greetings from Neptune in the UK
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 06, 2007, 03:47:57 PM
Message to Herr Trawoeger. I really hope you and your family keep safe. It is easy for us guys. Talking is cheap. You are the man who is in   "line of fire" and we are all thinking of you. It would be nice if you could spare a few minutes to help Tinu.
                   This bit is for English speaking people. We owe  a lot to Thomas, and out of respect, it would be nice if we could say his name correctly. My German friend says, it is pronounced as
TRAVOLGA , each letter A sounds the same as in cat.I hope this is right.
Greetings from Neptune in the UK


@Nepunt


I find your words and very "fine feeling" .

I Thomas cant open directly all plans/Schematics ,in different forums ,
so he will have less pressure for his own forum longer ,
and discussing without disturbtion in his forum , longe :
 How to build this ...

Pese

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Paul-R on December 06, 2007, 03:53:43 PM
Hello outside there:
Well, our nice Servers and mirrors get bombed totally... Everything is damaged, all SQL?s are deleted, and if we take the backups to the Servers, everything is deleted in less than 30 seconds... (I am that sad, because you can?t see my tears in the eyes)

Well, we have to search for a better way to go ahead. Maybe we can go online this evening....
ng, Tom

(It seems to become "kindergarden" still on this site! Mr. KOEN, and Mr. PESE!)
Thomas,
Your faithful mod here!
That is horrible what has happened to the site, but it only confirms what we know about certain people that don't want information to reach the masses.

Don't kid yourselves.

Look at what happened to Fasthosts:
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=78426&in_page_id=34
Do you think the MIB are worried about Fasthost's collection of probable
consumer junk?

All manner of people get attacked. In most cases, it is the result of bad software
and incompetent Network Management. Use proper staff  and systems and the
problem may well go away.
Paul.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: slapper on December 06, 2007, 04:05:48 PM
Hi Thomas and all.

I'm normally a lurker behind the scenes performing proof of concept of the works going on in this forum.

I just wanted to say that I have the deepest respect for what you and the contributors are going through.

My post is to stand up and be counted as standing beside you and your efforts. My belief is no different than many others on this forum. The more we disseminate information and keep it in the public domain the safer we all should be. The fact that you are getting attacked only solidifies your credibility and encourages me to study this information more. We are all stronger in numbers and we need to get this information out of the genies lamp as much as possible.

My two cents. Love to all. You are in my thoughts and I know for a fact that I speak for many. Take care.

nap
Title: Re: Server Hacking
Post by: Lofty on December 06, 2007, 04:10:50 PM
Alternatively a simultaneous post on several servers at once. Co-ordinated.
Then it is impossible to try and stop them all in one go ;D
Then another simultaneous post and another and eventually "they" will give up. They only have limited resources we have 7 BILLION people behind us, all wanting a better life and planet ;)
"They" are only actually puppets trying desperately to serve the Masters in their dying days.
Look around on all the forums, they are losing it big time. Everything they have worked towards has started to fall apart or be exposed. 8)
"They" are in their Death throes

Keep the pressure on :o

Lofty
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 06, 2007, 05:31:16 PM
Hello Thomas & Working Group

I was glad to here from Thomas and he is still working this project.
I am sorry to here that the alarms are still ringing and the red lights are flashing, but the project specifics will be
posted all in good time. I agree with the idea of multi posting at the same time to various sites. Doing so would make it more difficult
to stop. There are various site around the globe that would love to assist in this.
I feel, Thomas is handling this problem and has some excellent advisers on hand for this.
I am rambling  (sorry)
I am concerned also like all on the group and will continue to construct.

God be with U Thomas and the Group

Best Regards
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 06, 2007, 05:36:38 PM
Message for Tinu. Here are some things to check. I am not the expert, but check these anyway.
1 Is   the level of 5% salt solution correct[5% by volume not weight] and have you allowed at least 1 hour for excess solution to escape.
2 Is the pyramid aligned with one side of the base North-South, and the copper tube frame of the converter East-west.
3Have you checked that there is no contact between graphite rods and copper frame
4 how did you connect wires to the graphite rods, could they have come disconnected during soldering the tubes. Could you have broken the rods during assembly. In my opinion, it is best not to solder the upper joints, as this allows you to take it apart for inspection.
5 Have you remembered, on the main capacitor, to connect all the positive plates together and all the negative plates together?
6Have you tested both capacitors for short- circuits?
7 Does the output wire leave the converter running towards the north, and sloping down at 40 degrees to the horizontal.
8Have you tried a different sand? Do not use children's "play sand". because this is not sand, it is crushed limestone.
9
Check your coils, because it is easy to make a mistake here. If we wind each coil starting at the
top,we must wind one coil clockwise, and one anticlockwise[ counterclockwise] 
10 using a Ohm meter, check all of the circuit for bad joints
11 Starting up. Turn pyramid away from the north. now connect load[DC computer fan , 6volt 3to5 watt lamp, or 8ohm resistor. turn it to north and give it time to work keep load connected when using multimeter to test voltage.

As I say, I am not an expert. Just hoping I may have helped.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 06, 2007, 05:37:12 PM
Hello Thomas & Working Group

I was glad to here from Thomas and he is still working this project.
I am sorry to here that the alarms are still ringing and the red lights are flashing, but the project specifics will be
posted all in good time. I agree with the idea of multi posting at the same time to various sites. Doing so would make it more difficult
to stop. There are various site around the globe that would love to assist in this.
I feel, Thomas is handling this problem and has some excellent advisers on hand for this.
I am rambling  (sorry)
I am concerned also like all on the group and will continue to construct.

God be with U Thomas and the Group

Best Regards
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 06, 2007, 07:46:19 PM
http://www.trawoeger-pyramide.info/index.php?offset=6 (http://www.trawoeger-pyramide.info/index.php?offset=6)

Quote
06.12.2007 - Thomas Traw?ger  (www.trawoeger-pyramide.info)
Thanks for your participation, maybe we see us again, some times....
yours sincerely
Tom

What does this mean ?  Project closed ?   ???
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: bourne on December 06, 2007, 08:10:39 PM
Quote
http://www.trawoeger-pyramide.info/index.php?offset=6 (http://www.trawoeger-pyramide.info/index.php?offset=6)

Quote
06.12.2007 - Thomas Traw?ger  (www.trawoeger-pyramide.info)
Thanks for your participation, maybe we see us again, some times....
yours sincerely
Tom

What does this mean ?  Project closed ?   ???


It doesn't say project closed

Its says

Quote
Welcome to TPP Project
   
   
   
   

This Domain will stay closed!


Christmas is coming
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 06, 2007, 08:12:01 PM
@all

Can someone explain how me how to calculate the angles and lengths for a paper template. This is way more complicated than I expected.

I just wanted a template for cutting 45 degree angles on 20 mm tubes.

The images is close to what it would look like but the angles are not correct.

-Duff

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 06, 2007, 08:26:31 PM
I don't understand your drawing, but i have made a 3D model for the frame structure (with reduced length, but this doesn't affect the angles).

If you have the 'Google Sketchup' software (it's freeware) i could also post the model here then you could load it and measure any angle you want. :)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: John Valentin on December 06, 2007, 08:44:01 PM
Hello Thomas & Working Group

I am also working on the V6 for some days. When I'll finish I will provide the results.

Thank you Thomas and everybody for your work!
I've seen what happen these days :o and  and I am glad the project will still go through.
If I succeed in V6 I will work on V12 to!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 06, 2007, 08:57:03 PM
Work is starting tonight on V6 replica. Using 30x30x3 mm angle iron for all frame pieces. My friend is cutting the angles for the joints tomorrow. I have just finished soldering the copper tubes. Had to use 15mm tubes for first attempt.I am leaving the 2 joints where the uprights join the T pieces unsoldered, so I can pull it apart for inspection etc. Hope to start on capacitors tomorrow evening. The work must go on. Keep on keeping on. The time to quit is when it is working.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 06, 2007, 09:18:45 PM
I don't understand your drawing, but i have made a 3D model for the frame structure (with reduced length, but this doesn't affect the angles).

If you have the 'Google Sketchup' software (it's freeware) i could also post the model here then you could load it and measure any angle you want. :)

The drawing is of a paper template, lying flat, that is not quite right. The dotted lines are the shape it takes if you fold the outside flaps inward around the 20mm tube.

Forget the dotted lines.

Sorry, I run linux and Sketchup won't run on this system (not even under wine).


-Duff

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: blubbino on December 06, 2007, 09:21:20 PM
Hello all,

found this message in the deep web  :)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: MT on December 06, 2007, 09:33:23 PM
@skywatcher

Can you please post your 3D model? Thank you.

Marcel



Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 06, 2007, 09:48:38 PM
I have measured the angles and added then to the picture.   :)

Although i think they should be correct, i would recommend making a paper model before cutting steel.  ;)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: olivier on December 06, 2007, 09:57:07 PM
Hello Duff,

This will help you

Olivier
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 06, 2007, 09:59:22 PM
Can you please post your 3D model? Thank you.

Marcel

Here it is.  :)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 06, 2007, 10:01:44 PM
@skywatcher

Actually I wasn't working on the apex but I was going to tackle that next.

Could you show the lengths also. I think you will find that they change with the angle.

Thanks for your help!


-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 06, 2007, 10:03:24 PM
I have just noticed a small detail on my V6 plans which I had overlooked. Has tinu done the same. Where the wires from the graphite rods exit the tubes, the diagram shows an insulator.[wine bottle cork?I had planned to leave these out as not necessary if insulated wire is used. Now I just noticed, The sand fills the top horizontal tube as well.Thomas says the graphite rods must not be fixed at the bottom[free to vibrate?] He does not say it, but perhaps they must be free at the top also. My plan is, make U -tube fill with sand, insert rods.fit top tube and T pieces, threading wires through exit, insert insulators. Do not solder tubes here. drill a small hole in top of top tube, fill with sand. Seal hole with wax, glue, tape etc.. Hope this helps
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: MT on December 06, 2007, 10:06:00 PM
@skywatcher, olivier

Thanks a lot, this is what looked for. Yesterday I made paper pyramide with 60degrees cut angles at top 30deg at bottom. But bottom was still not right now i see it should be ~ 35deg. I just want to compute it properly in line with saying 3x measure and 1x cut. Also i think I was ripped off by local hobby shop 6.80euros for meter of square tubes. Bastards. Later spoke to a guy in metal business ~2euros is usual price at least in mine country.

Marcel
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 06, 2007, 10:07:48 PM
@olivier

Great - could you measure the angles.

Here's the issue. I'm in the US I had to buy 3/8" tubing, 19.04mm, so I'm trying to redraw these.

Also I'm not working on the apex templates but the other end which is just a plain 45 degree angle.


-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 06, 2007, 10:08:01 PM
Could you show the lengths also. I think you will find that they change with the angle.

The software gives the lengths only with 1 mm accuracy (obviously it's not intended for modeling small things ;) ) but you can get the lengths by constructing the whole thing on paper (for this the angles are sufficient). When constructing it on paper or drawing lines on the steel before cutting it i think working with the angles is better than working with lengths.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 06, 2007, 10:10:47 PM
Here's the issue. I'm in the US I had to buy 3/8" tubing, 19.04mm, so I'm trying to redraw these.

The angles should be independent of the tube size, as long as the tube is quadratic.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 06, 2007, 10:15:18 PM
Also i think I was ripped off by local hobby shop 6.80euros for meter of square tubes. Bastards.

I guess you are speaking about the shop whose name has 3 characters and begins with 'O'.  ;)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: olivier on December 06, 2007, 10:30:04 PM
Skywatcher is right!

The angles should be independent of the tube size, as long as the tube is quadratic.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 06, 2007, 10:32:12 PM

duhh - Yes your correct....

Thanks for the help guys!

-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Freezer on December 06, 2007, 10:38:08 PM
I'm trying to look for all the inside information to model the rest and create a visual.  I have a hard time trying build something from reading, but if I have something visual it is easy.  Is there any close-up images that describe the inside section, and a schematic for wiring?  I wonder if it would be better to construct some type of joint, then cutting metal wouldn't be needed.  I also wonder if they sell a metal pyramid already made, something like this - http://www.dowsing.com/Pyramid/medit.htm

For a 20mm square bottom frame I came out with 14.1mm for the side bars at a 45? angle.

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/6636/3dvon3.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/9339/sidevdy6.jpg
http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/433/tctq8.jpg
http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/1061/bctq2.jpg
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: John Valentin on December 06, 2007, 11:19:55 PM
Someone wanted the 3 pdf files for the V6 : skizze2.pdf, skizze3.pdf, skizze4.pdf
These I found :
http://test.kumberg.net/skizze2.pdf
http://test.kumberg.net/skizze3.pdf
http://test.kumberg.net/skizze4.pdf

I wish luck to those who are working !
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: MT on December 06, 2007, 11:25:39 PM
@duff
Thanks for bringing up this topic I was also struggling with those angles.

@Olivier
Thanks a lot for your measurements they rock. Just build another paper prototype (third  one :)) with 35 and half deg bottom cut and top fits almost ideally. I start to feel to be ready to cut real tubes.

@skywatcher
>>Also i think I was ripped off by local hobby shop 6.80euros for meter of square tubes. Bastards.
>I guess you are speaking about the shop whose name has 3 characters and begins with 'O'.  Wink
Sorry maybe I'm a just tired or we are just from other countries but I could not guess it. But is does not matter I'll never shop there anymore.

all the best,
Marcel
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 07, 2007, 12:17:27 AM
Marcel,

I like your paper model - nice!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 07, 2007, 02:49:33 AM
Well, I have my pyramid almost finished.  Capacitors are the only thing missing.  I guess over the weekend I will manage to make them.  My guts feeling is that Thomas was paid by 'big company' and no longer can support us.  Well, I am not mad or disappointed,  actually I am pretty happy that I have pyramid now and can do some real life testing.  Thanks to Tom I can continue what I left out more than thirty years ago.  Thank you Thomas and I wish you all the best in your endeavors.

Sincerely
George May

(http://www.propellers.us/tpp/DSCN1857.JPG)   (http://www.propellers.us/tpp/DSCN1859.JPG)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 07, 2007, 06:25:40 PM
Today, I have cut out the plates for the main capacitor. Having thought about it,I may have to find some thicker copper, because these are less than 1mm, cut from an old scrap water tank.This capacitor is going to need a lot of precision to get it right,with only 1 mm spacing between plates. It is going to be hard to solder the wires to the plates in such a small space. A big soldering iron will be needed owing to the heat sink effect of the copper.I did consider using some form of mice dielectric,but want to keep as near to the original spec. as possible. If and when I get the job working, I will try substituting an air dielectric variable cap from a vintage radio. There is possibly some form of tuned circuit here, and a variable cap would allow optimisation of the resonant frequency.
           Thats it for now, may post later. Incidentally, if my frequent psycotech posts get on your nerves, tell me. Without feedback, I feel like a lone voice crying in the wilderness. 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 07, 2007, 06:40:11 PM
Hey Neptune
Great idea relating to the Variable cap. I have the converter hanging in the open to do some testing, seeing 0.266mv as of this typing. I have several variable caps i.e. 365pF and a dual gang 365pF. Hmmm.... may hook it up to see if buy adding in some possible tuning there is a E increase.
Just wanted to say thanks guy's and the work continues.

Regards
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 07, 2007, 06:51:00 PM
I have the converter hanging in the open to do some testing, seeing 0.266mv as of this typing.

Bill,

Have you measured the capacitance of the converter.

If so, could you post that info...


-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 07, 2007, 07:05:24 PM
Hi Duff
Ok
From the converter Cap to Earth Ground = 78pF
Across the converter (Capacitor to converter frame = 0.001248uF

Hope that's what u wanted
B.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 07, 2007, 07:07:43 PM
Hi Vipond50, and everyone.Bill, the only problem I can forsee with a variable cap inside the pyramid, is that as yoy vary it, the centre of the overlapped area moves. For yor current experiments this may not matter, but inside the pyramid, the center of the effective cap must correspond with yje exact centre of the pyramid. It might be possible to build one where both sets of plates move to compensate.
                 Tell me bill, as you have built your converter, What diameter copper tube did you use, what sand? what is the source and diameter of your graphite rods? Are all joints soldered on tubes?
Is the tubes COMPLETELY filled with sand? Any output voltage?
Lots of questions, I know, but untill The Captain returns, Helping each other is all we have. 
Regards Ken
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 07, 2007, 07:38:57 PM
Hi K.
Well i'll do my best to relay what i have hanging here
Tubes = 1/2" copper, type used in household plumbing.
Sand = Silica sand blasting sand 36 grit primarly and  down to fine dust.
Sand Level = I first tried it with just the bottoms section of the 1/2" copper tubes, just full enough so the carbon rods could set on the sand.
Did not work at all for any output. I then tore down the assembly and removed the rods . I felt compelled to have some sort of seperater between the bottom of the carbon rods and the tubing sides. So I installed a small piece of rubber hose over the bottom of the each rod so they could not short out against the copper tube.  I supported the each rod top by hand as i filled the space with the sand, then filled the tubes all the way up to the top of the Cu tubes, minus a 1/2". I left this space open so i could install the Rubber hose so the #22 wire could be attached.
Graphite/Carbon rods = 1/4" diameter manufactured by ArcAir (Carbon arc Gouging Rods)
Solder up = The bottom of the U or each side and the bottom are soldered. The top section is a push fit so i could remove to work with.
Wire connection to C rods = I used a small piece of rubber tubing and pushed this over the diameter of the carbon rod, then i inserted a small diameter probe to expand the rubber so i could insert the AGW # 22 solid copper hook wire. The wire is approx 4 inches long, I did this on both carbon rods.
Output Voltage = 0.226 mV, note: the E is climbing and falling about two points.

I used what i had on hand to see if I could get any responce out of the concept.

Sorry for not following the specific directions.

Bill
 

Hope this all makes sence ????
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 07, 2007, 08:01:26 PM
Opps
Had a typo It is 293.5 mV not 0.293 mV

Sorry.... darn fingers anyway
B.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 07, 2007, 08:02:12 PM
Hi Bill, and everyone. Many thanks for your prompt detailed response. The fact that you quote measurements in inches suggests you may be in USA? I am using 15mm[about1/2inch ] copper here. as 12mm is hard to find. I guess we all use what we can find in our first experiments. I share your worries about the graphite shorting to the copper., but note that Thomas Trawoeger specifically warns against anything that restrains the lower ends of the rods. Diagram seems to show whole of tubes full of sand.I  too have a "pull off" upper section for inspection etc. I am hoping to have whole job completed late next week. It is great if we all try slightly different things, but it is important to share ALL results, both positive and negative.This is the only path to success..Wishing you Watts of power, Ken
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 07, 2007, 08:34:24 PM
Had a typo It is 293.5 mV not 0.293 mV

Keep in mind that copper, graphite and electrolyte (the salt water) can form a galvanic element.

So any output which is measured is only valid if the voltage is significantly higher than the voltage which could be expected from a galvanic element, or if the voltage varies when the pyramid is rotated, the gypsum plates removed, etc.

I will not continue working on the project until Thomas Trawoeger reappears and distributes the promised infos, or someone else comes up with a working prototype. Without someone who can competently answer questions i don't see a significant chance to get the thing running.  :(

BTW i don't know if this chance ever existed. We don't have any proof that there are really any working prototypes.   ::)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 07, 2007, 09:30:35 PM
Skywatcher, I agree with all you say about the galvanic element, or "cell". I also agree that we have no proof that a working prototype Exists. But , what if the phenomenon is genuine and that for the time being,Thomas has gone to ground. It is quite possible that powerful forces want this buried. If everyone sits on the fence and waits, nothing will happen. I will carry on because, the alternative is to sit and watch TV and drink beer. One lesson here is that the very best descriptions in words and pictures can be ambiguous. If our questions could be answered things would be much better. The disappearance of Tinu was another blow. I posted help for him, but he did not even acknowledge it. I just Hope Thomas returns nd we all see a happy Christmas
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 07, 2007, 10:31:34 PM
Hi Neptune,
Here is the link to flat plate capacitor calculator.
http://www.deepfriedneon.com/tesla_f_calccap.html (http://www.deepfriedneon.com/tesla_f_calccap.html)
You can substitute air with other dielectric. 
George.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 07, 2007, 10:49:49 PM
Great link Thanks
So the spec for the air cap is10 plates @ 70mm (2.7559") X 35mm(1.3779527") with a 1mm spacing = 0.000195uF or 195 pF

Right?
Interesting
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 07, 2007, 11:06:44 PM
Thanks for replies. I am wondering why a standard off the shelf component was not used, like wise output cap. Special properties of copper? Possible need for plates to vibrate.??? Seems strange he didn't just buy a cap. More questions than answers.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 07, 2007, 11:58:00 PM
@Bill,
@All,
Here is another link
http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/radio/xtal.html (http://sci-toys.com/scitoys/scitoys/radio/xtal.html) - Coil calculator.
Knowing value of capacitor, wire gauge, number of turns we can find out frequency.

... Hmmm... What frequency Tesla was using in his Wardenclyffe experiment?  :o ;)

George

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 08, 2007, 12:11:48 AM
Here I go again  :P
195pF
.5" form
AWG #12 @ 19 turns/2= 8.5T/ side
1.307uH

equate to 9.97mHz
BTW what is the Freq of a Tesla setup? :-\
Bill

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: John Valentin on December 08, 2007, 12:57:06 AM
Great link Thanks
So the spec for the air cap is10 plates @ 70mm (2.7559") X 35mm(1.3779527") with a 1mm spacing = 0.000195uF or 195 pF


yes vipond50 the value for capacitance of the air capacitor with 10 plates; 70mm X 35mm with a 1mm spacing is 195pF ;(It is like a 9 condensators in paralel with this values=>C=195,235*10^-12 F)
I wish yoy luck!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hansvonlieven on December 08, 2007, 02:13:28 AM

... Hmmm... What frequency Tesla was using in his Wardenclyffe experiment?  :o ;)

George

@ georgemay

I don't know about Wardenclyffe specifically. With his other earth transmission experiments he was using 19400 Hz from memory.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 08, 2007, 01:59:14 PM
Thanks Hans,
Definitely I will try setup with this frequency.  I have my own theory that pyramid concentrates earth energy rather than being a receiver of  cosmic radiation.  Otherwise ancients would built it in the shape of parabolic dish or at least upside down.  ;D
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 08, 2007, 02:49:19 PM
Well, tomorrow is the day when Thomas is scheduled to release theV12 files. If the Hackers are still busy, it will need people with better computer skills than mine to download the info and store it, and then distribute it. Help if you can.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 08, 2007, 02:57:29 PM
http://www.areclinic.org/caycereadings.asp?ReadingID=11&src=m
Look at this link.You can find a strange device that looks similar to the Trawoeger Converter.

A question for you:Thomas mentioned that the "Accu-loader" was the source of his inspiration to build the power pyramids.Can you explain me what is this device?.Thanks

Regards,
Cyrano
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 08, 2007, 04:30:47 PM

Consider this:

Unless the site that is up now is a decoy and not the one which is going to be used for the release of info then they may have made a grave mistake.

By hosting a guestbook and allowing input and storage of info in the sql database they have opened a potential security vulnerability. If that vulnerability exists, hacker may have already exploited it and waiting silently to destroy the site again.

-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 08, 2007, 05:10:31 PM

 Hallo ,
eine Frequenz ?ber L und C  KALKULIEREN ZU WOLLEN
ist unbedingt der falsche Weg.
Das Ger?t hat mit NICHTS zu tum was meine Schulphysik oder EE
erkl?rbar ist.

Mit Sicherheit ist nicht Alles was nicht erkl?rbar ist ,
dadurch FALSCH oder "Bullshit". Solche "Weisheiten" helfen sicher auch nicht um
hier weiterzukommen




Hello, a frequency about L and C is absolutely to be wanted to calculate the wrong way.
The device has NOTHING to work what my school physics or EE is explicable say to me.
With Certainly everything is not what not is explicable, thereby WRONG or "Bullshit".
Such "profundities" do not help certainly also around to get further here

 
Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 08, 2007, 05:15:43 PM
Well, tomorrow is the day when Thomas is scheduled to release theV12 files.

Do you really beleive that anything will be released tomorrow ?  I don't...   :(

If this:

Quote
06.12.2007 - Thomas Traw?ger  (www.trawoeger-pyramide.info)
Thanks for your participation, maybe we see us again, some times....
yours sincerely
Tom

was his last message, then we won't hear anything about the V12 in the near future.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 08, 2007, 05:18:38 PM
The device has NOTHING to work what my school physics or EE is explicable say to me.

I agree. In the context of conventional physics, the device is completely nonsense.
If it really would work, physicists would really have problems to explain why.  ;)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 08, 2007, 05:39:21 PM
@skywatcher

F?r mich ist es unzweifelhaft dass das hier geht.
Das ist eine Mischung von Dr.Reich zu Uwe Jarck.

This will work "anyway" , ALSO if this is an Mixture
between Dr. Reich and Uwe Jarck.
I think "an lot of ways" we be to find now...
Pese


P.S.
If Trawoegers device "will not work" , NOBODY tka so much interest to "hacking" , to "robb" him . and to to "prssurest" to make him angry.
Nobody will make so mutch work against an "notworking invention" .
Only people with "massic" economical interest will this device as: "NOT--WILCOME"
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: CTG Labs on December 08, 2007, 05:55:44 PM
I could easily say my website was hacked and replace the page with a message saying "this domain will stay closed" and who would know any different?  For the gullable this makes them believe its real even more, next thing you know he will decide to sell the plans now that he is a legend.


D.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 08, 2007, 06:01:29 PM
The time for accusations of fraud are not yet. We were promised info by Christmas. This year, Christmas is on 25th December. All you are achieving by these negative comments is to discourage the people who are working hard on replication. Meanwhile you just sit on your asses making negative comments.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 08, 2007, 06:03:17 PM
I could easily say my website was hacked and replace the page with a message saying "this domain will stay closed" and who would know any different?  For the gullable this makes them believe its real even more, next thing you know he will decide to sell the plans now that he is a legend.

I don't really know what happened, but one thing is for sure:

The person who destroyed the website and placed the 'index.txt' into the root directory is also a native speaker of german language with poor english language skills, because he wrote 'YOU ARE BLAMED NOW...' and used the english word 'blamed' for the german word 'blamiert', which is not the correct meaning. Thomas Trawoeger also used the word 'blamed' in his last post in the same way. That's not a proof that he 'hacked' his own website, but it looks quite suspect...   ::)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: CTG Labs on December 08, 2007, 06:04:29 PM
Neptune,

Anyone who knows me on here knows I do not sit on my ass doing nothing and that I have spent over 10 years actively building and testing devices, not sitting in an arm chair.

If we get all the details and people are able to construct a working device I will happily eat my words...


D.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: fritz on December 08, 2007, 06:09:12 PM
The device has NOTHING to work what my school physics or EE is explicable say to me.

I agree. In the context of conventional physics, the device is completely nonsense.
If it really would work, physicists would really have problems to explain why.  ;)

(...)
The idea behind school physics is that you get at least a glance from the most
primitive physical principles - and they show very straightforward experiments.
Even an electrical engineer is "tuned" to use available parts within their limits...

I think the problem is that if somebody sees a wound up wire - he thinks its a coil -
having a coil there makes him looking for a capacitor - then he can use the nice
formulas and is crazy as hell that he is able to calculate a frequency.

(a wound up wire can be a capacitor, an antenna, a delay line, a resistor,
a fuse, just mechanical (to avoid cables hanging around)...) ...(...)....is a wound up wire.
Or if you look on how its built - you have 2 coils and a capacitor in a very
compressed setup - because they are not separated nor shielded - you have
to expect that they work as one piece. you cannot assume that these are indiviual
parts....

Well, according to Thomas - you have the complete plans, you know every
material, every dimension.
You can calculate all stray and parasitic capacities, you can start to think
how the stuff would react to static and em fields of any direction ...

If you would see this setup in a context of very high frequency - some GHz -
everything makes a lot of sense. (even the gypsum plates).

Ok - there are no parts with printed electrical values on it ;-)  but this doesn?t
mean that it doesn?t operate in an electrical context.

If you would come as alien from another solar system - the way how we generate
rotational energy from 4-stroke engines  would be a very crazy thing ...
 
rgds


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 08, 2007, 06:10:05 PM
If we get all the details and people are able to construct a working device I will happily eat my words...

Same for me.  But i'm realistic, and such things are triggering my 'bullshit alarm'.   :(

Nevertheless i'm still hoping for positive results. People who already have invested much work into this project should continue, so that we will see if it's really working. I had not yet started working on it (only bought some parts and made some drawings) so i have decided to freeeze it until i see some positive developments.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 08, 2007, 06:17:58 PM
I think the problem is that if somebody sees a wound up wire - he thinks its a coil -
having a coil there makes him looking for a capacitor - then he can use the nice
formulas and is crazy as hell that he is able to calculate a frequency.

You are right. The whole thing should not be viewed in the context of conventional physics or electrical engineering.

I also don't think that the 'pyramid energy' (if there really is one) has anything to do with conventional EM fields.
If this would be the case, they could be easily measured with conventional equipment.

I have made some experiments with pyramids some time ago, and i did not see any unexplainable effects, and i also could not measure any unexplainable EM fields inside or outside of the pyramid. I don't rule out the existence of 'pyramid energy' but i think if it exists, it's something completely different, and not EM fields of any frequency.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: CTG Labs on December 08, 2007, 06:21:51 PM
I did an experiment about 7 years ago (repeated several times) where I had a copper wire frame pyramid and a paper pyramid.

I took 3 leaves from the same branch from a plant outside and placed one in each pyramd and a 3rd as a control.

I waited for them to dryout and die.  The control leaf rolled up, went brown and crumbled, the one under the paper pyramid, did not go crumbly and the one under the copper pyramid stayed greened and did not roll up.

In the book shape power it mentions how a group of engineers using extremely sensitive gauss meters have been able to detect a magnetic field around pyramids (made from any material) which gets stronger the better it is aligned with the earths magnetic field.


D.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: starcruiser on December 08, 2007, 06:37:16 PM
We should all wait and see what happens tomorrow. Patience is required here.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 08, 2007, 07:08:35 PM
I could easily say my website was hacked and replace the page with a message saying "this domain will stay closed" and who would know any different? 

D.

if you ca say . IT MUST NOT BE UNTRUE !

Even if it need time , to clear up with his lawer , when the ist angry from surpressing.

We have an "start-pont" to dou aur own exeriences now. . Devices oroeundt ths "basic-knowledge"
WILL WORK.  Ask not : why?.
Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: CTG Labs on December 08, 2007, 07:12:25 PM
I could easily say my website was hacked and replace the page with a message saying "this domain will stay closed" and who would know any different? 

D.

if you ca say . IT MUST NIT BE UNTRUE !

Even if it need time , to clear up with his lawer , when the ist angry from surpressing.

We have an "start-pont" to dou aur own exeriences now. . Devices oroeundt ths "basic-knowledge"
WILL WORK.  Ask not : why?.
Pese


Pardon?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 08, 2007, 07:16:02 PM
@ CLG.

No .. is ok .
Any can say what the mean an think - also change his mind , from time to time. We are LEARNING ALL ....
GP
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: ronotte on December 08, 2007, 07:34:25 PM
Hi to all,

I'm here as well, nice to see you waiting really I do hope that this is the right time.

Ciao

ROBERTO
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 08, 2007, 07:46:48 PM
Quote
I also don't think that the 'pyramid energy' (if there really is one) has anything to do with conventional EM fields.
If this would be the case, they could be easily measured with conventional equipment.

Skywatcher,
 Have you seen this patent?
http://www.rexresearch.com/grandics/grandics.htm
I hope you can call an oscilloscope as conventional equipment :)

As to releasing info about V12 I guess we have to leave it to Thomas, as I believe it is not an easy decision on his part.  I am happy enough that I have a pyramid to work with.  It is a lot of work ahead me but it is fun.  Those who started the project I strongly encourage you to continue testing even without v12 info.  Who knows we may come up with better pyramid?  :P
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 08, 2007, 08:43:05 PM
To CTG Labs. Did not mean to offend. What I meant was let us encourage those who are working on this,and let us not condemn it without a fair trial.Sorry....Neptune
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 08, 2007, 09:12:34 PM
Hello Group
After reading the new postings i had a Q come to mind.
How many in the group have actually constructed a pyramid, with the converter?

If a few, Do any of u have any data to share, I posted what i have seen so far, Galvanic battery, even though, i see fluctuations to the readings when i relocate the converter or pyramid or both in relation to each other, I see a sweet spot "if u will "
The meter reading fluctuations are on the AC & DC side. The readings are in mV's, but still a reading?
So why am I seeing fluctuations in the readings by just rotating the Z axis?
Any others see this?
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 08, 2007, 09:41:45 PM
This post is in reply to those who sent me private messages. Please in future if you have questions for me post here. Thanks to tinu,Adrianu,Pese, Lofty, and alespr. I have not yet completed the V6 pyramid I am working on. Tinu, dont give up yet, we need guys like you. I expect you tried all the things I suggested the other day. New things to try will emerge daily on here, why not try outside, or at another house? If all else fails, set it aside for a while. Hopefully Thomas will be back.Lofty, Thomas`s Web site is closed at present.Ales pr, most of your questions and more would be answered by the diagram drawn byAcerzw, which I have, but don't have the skills to send it to you.Does anyone have a link for this? I believe the wire for the coils was 3mm[one wound clockwise and one anticlockwise.] 9 turns on each side. SALT water level determined by lower hole. Do not block holes.The3mm diameter graphite rods touch the sand. Fill entire tube structure with sand. The central capacitor has 5 pos plates and 5 neg. with air spacing.However I plan to use a plastic dielectric. I am NOT the expert. Just trying to help. Best to post future questions here. There are better brains here than mine. Happy experimenting everyone.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 08, 2007, 10:11:39 PM
.Does anyone have a link for this? I believe the wire for the coils was 3mm[one wound clockwise and one anticlockwise.] 9 turns on each side. SALT water level determined by lower hole. Do not block holes.The3mm diameter graphite rods touch the sand. Fill entire tube structure with sand. The central capacitor has 5 pos plates and 5 neg. with air spacing.However I plan to use a plastic dielectric. I am NOT the expert. Just trying to help. Best to post future questions here. There are better brains here than mine. Happy experimenting everyone.

One Menber , have the totally forum saved on his hard-disk.
I hope he will copy some picts to OU , if TT cant or will not
more open his forum) We habe to thank him.

---------------
@Neptun
dont forget, gipsum (rigips)  (wall and plate). TT. say it is important.

Pese
 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 08, 2007, 10:29:52 PM
I have also saved most of the pictures from the TT forum.
The 4 most important documents are attached to this posting.

(i hope nobody will cry about copyright, but i think it's important to share the information)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 08, 2007, 10:43:16 PM
Vipond50:
Quote
So why am I seeing fluctuations in the readings by just rotating the Z axis?

Do you have frame grounded well?
If you have to rotate setup to find sweet spot at different settings between day and night then perhaps you are reading Telluric currents.

George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 08, 2007, 11:00:04 PM
Hi
Yes, i have the frame grounded to a old water buried 6 feet down and approx 30 feet in length horizontally. I fact back in the day when looking at ground Electricity I noted that the pipe is under some old Poplar trees, 30 or so inches in diameter. So it has been there quite a long time.
Please keep in mind that my setup  follows the basic TT setup. The device was from a year ago when I first started looking at this concept. I did this to test to see if there was anything to it. I now have data that tells me that I will change my config to meet the TT setup as close as I can and then retest.

Group....If we don't test, we will not acquire any new data.
So I ask again.... how many are actually working this ? ?
Does not seem like a unfair question, but maybe it is ?

Regards
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 08, 2007, 11:23:41 PM
So I ask again.... how many are actually working this ? ?
Bill,
I am working on a caps as we speak,  the last thing to do before testing.
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: John Valentin on December 09, 2007, 12:06:10 AM

Group....If we don't test, we will not acquire any new data.
So I ask again.... how many are actually working this ? ?
Does not seem like a unfair question, but maybe it is ?


@vipon50
I agre with you vipond50!  Many of us should work and colect more data!
I am searching for materials and I hope this week I'll test it.Anyway before Christmas I want it working!

you said that you actually optained an output voltage 293.5 mV .
Someone said that the galvanic cell gives 0.7 - 1V .But it gives this voltage for a limited time. If you have this voltage for a long period of time it's good.This mean that the v6 work!!
Of course you'll have to see why so little voltage output.

@Tiny
You have finished the V6! Have you succeed ?
Please, let us know!


PS: Excuse bad English!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: olivier on December 09, 2007, 12:06:24 AM

So I ask again.... how many are actually working this ? ?
Does not seem like a unfair question, but maybe it is ?

Bill, i am also working on it. Maybe i can test it on sunday.

Olivier
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: olivier on December 09, 2007, 08:18:51 AM
No sign from Thomas ..........
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 09, 2007, 08:25:29 AM
Quote
Look to www.trawoeger-pyramide.info, and follow the small klickable hint on the Site:
Here you will get the Full V12 File (74,2 MM-Zipped)

I've found nothing -

====

Edit: I looked through the source code on all pages and again nothing....

This is a real show stopper!

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: olivier on December 09, 2007, 08:35:22 AM
It should be on one of these site's, tha data is from the trawoeger-pyramide.info site.

I will swap the whole Construction Database included all Pictures, Datasheets and proved result of V12

on Sunday , 09. December exactly at 08.00 European time to the following clients:

rapidshare.... .........................................................Link will follow
HackTV-Uploadcenter..............................................Link will follow
CCC-Uploadcenter...................................................Link will follow
and various OU-Communitys ...................................Link will follow
Title: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Earl on December 09, 2007, 08:40:26 AM
It is already 08:39 European time and there is nothing.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: John Valentin on December 09, 2007, 09:46:35 AM
No sign from Thomas in the last few days.  :(
I hope he will say something and the V12 project will continue! 
Be patience Thomas as allways.

 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: helmut on December 09, 2007, 12:46:18 PM
TT gave us the basics
Now it is up to us to develop further steps.
There is no reason to stop working on the frame or other components.
So lets present all selfemade sketches and Ideas here.
TT wants to fuck the destroyers....lets help him to do it.
helmut
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 09, 2007, 01:16:31 PM
TT wants to fuck the destroyers....

And how ?  By running away and doing nothing ?
For me it seems 'they' have reached their goal. If 'they' really exist.   ::)

I can see no reason at all for waiting. The infos should have been published IMMEDIATELY after the website had been destroyed.

(and instead of paying lawyers, he should buy some guns)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 09, 2007, 01:36:57 PM
I am still working on V6 cap.would like some feedback from others who have done this. Would have liked to have gone airspaced, but finding that almost impossible at 1mm spacing.I am sad that no news from Thomas. I think Vipond50 may be on the right track. I think the key might be that the tuned circuit[if there is one needs to be resonant at the precise frequency, but then again I may be talking out my ass.Many thanks for the republishing of the diagram. good luck and keep on keeping on.Back later
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 09, 2007, 03:20:11 PM
This message is mainly for alespr. Most of the info you asked me for has now been posted by the kindness of Skywatcher. The thickness of wire in the coils ha s not actually been specified[unless someone knows better.] and so may not be critical. To Vipond 50, I know you have built a converter, and I believe you also built the pyramid. Now the big question. Have actually seen any voltage between the converter and the pyramid frame. I believe that the first to do this will validate the whole concept. Hurricane, if you are reading this and don't want to post, send me a private message please
A few words from you could help us all at this difficult time.
           For anyone who has an actual pyramid, and not yet built a converter, here i s a silly little experiment to try. Get 2 Ni cad rechargeable batteries, and totally discharge them, as shown by a voltmeter Place one cell horizontally inside the focus of the pyramid, with the positive terminal pointing north, and leave it for say 12 hours. leave the other cell on the bench as a controll. after 12 hours, compare the 2cell voltages. I would try it myself, but have not built the actual pyramid yet as I am still working on the converter. I dot expect it to work, but who knows...others have claimed it does.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 09, 2007, 03:24:18 PM
The thickness of wire in the coils ha s not actually been specified[unless someone knows better.] and so may not be critical.

I remember a number of 2.5.   ???
I don't remember if it was 2.5 mm2 or 2.5 mm diameter of the wire (but most likely: 2.5 mm2).
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: atlantex on December 09, 2007, 03:29:56 PM
Hi,

in German, we are using mm? for cable diameters.

btw. how are the cabels connected to the graphid sticks ?


Best regards,

atlantex
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 09, 2007, 03:34:59 PM
 :)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 09, 2007, 03:58:58 PM
I have not yet connected my cables to the graphite. The problem is that graphite breaks easily. This is my plan. Do not connect coil wire directly to graphite. Use a short piece of flexible cable which is made of many thin wires.remove insulation for 20mm at the end. Spread out the thin wires around the end of the graphite stick , and bind them with many turns of cotton or nylon thread. Now join the flexible cable to the coil wire with solder. that is my plan.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 09, 2007, 05:06:15 PM
If you use these welding electrodes which have graphite inside (and copper outside) you can leave the copper at the end of the electrode (and remove the rest of the copper). You can then solder any cable to this copper.

But i didn`t find any source for this electrodes yet. Even stores who sell welding supplies don't have them.    :(

Here is such an electrode, but it's far too thick for our purpose: Click me (http://cgi.ebay.de/KOHLE-SCHWEISS-ELEKTRODEN-VERKUPFERT-BLEISTIFT-MALEN_W0QQitemZ300066403658QQihZ020QQcategoryZ124819QQrdZ1QQssPageNameZWD1VQQcmdZViewItem)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 09, 2007, 05:18:15 PM
For graphic rods you can get them at hobby store, they use them in R/C planes. They have all sizes. don't know if its the right stuff but easy to get.

Wayne
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 09, 2007, 05:23:39 PM


btw. how are the cabels connected to the graphid sticks ?


Here is how I did it:

1. Split carpenters pencil to get the the graphite rod
2. wrap with thin copper or brass sheet
3. solder the whole thing together

wrap is extended a bit from the edge of the rod and wire goes inside the wrap.
Hope this helps.
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 09, 2007, 05:42:55 PM
For graphic rods you can get them at hobby store, they use them in R/C planes. They have all sizes. don't know if its the right stuff but easy to get.

It's definitely NOT the right stuff. What you mean is carbon fibre rods, they consist of carbon fibres laminated together with epoxy resin.
They are not electrically conductive, so they most likely won't work for our purpose.  :(
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: atlantex on December 09, 2007, 06:41:20 PM
Hello georgemay,

looks really good but I think to remember that Thomas said in one of his postings that graphit sticks from
pencils are not the right choice... may be I'm wrong but I'm quite sure.

What's happen to the user hurricane? His device is already working as I could read.


Best Regards,

atlantex
Title: Graphitst?be / Graphite Rods
Post by: Pontifex on December 09, 2007, 06:42:49 PM
Graphitst?be / Graphite Rods

Wer Graphitst?be nicht selbst auf den notwendigen Durchmesser abdrehen will, der kann diese auch passend kaufen. Es sind dies Teile f?r die Funkenerosion und Drucksintertechnik. Ich habe hier ein paar deutsche Seiten beigef?gt, welche Graphitst?be (Rundlinge) verkaufen.

If you don't want to turn a graphite rod you can buy them with suitable diameter as parts for spark erosion and high-pressure sintering. Enclosed you find a few german sites selling graphite rods.

http://cp-graphite.de/drucksinterung/rundlinge.htm

http://www.precitec-gmbh.de/produkte_erodierzub.htm

http://www.carbon-handel.de/site,produkte,funkenerosion

http://www.edm-graphite.de/drucksinterung/drucksinterung.htm

http://www.friedrich-zipser.de/Funkenerosion/funkenerosion.htm


Bleistiftminen haben nicht die notwendigen technischen Eigenschaften, wie Thomas erkl?rte. Sie bestehen aus einem Gemisch von Ton und Graphit.

Leads for pencils don't have the correct technical properties as Thomas stated. Pencils use a marking core made of powdered, refined graphite mixed with clay.

Greetings, Pontifex  :)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 09, 2007, 06:54:06 PM
@Pontifex:

Danke f?r die Links :)

Einer ist sogar bei mir in der N?he, da werde ich mal fragen.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 09, 2007, 07:36:51 PM
I seem to remember Thomas made comments about the correct graphite rods to use, but i can not remember exactly what he said. [ its my age] seem to think he said carbon rods from batteries would work, but it would be hard to find these in the right proportions.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 09, 2007, 08:04:49 PM

Leads for pencils don't have the correct technical properties as Thomas stated.


Hi Pontifex,
I know... Thomas said a lot of things.... Some of them didn't turn out to be true.   We have no idea if  even v6 is complete...

And I did a test on the pencil lead.  I put it into a ground and I got over 1.1VDC  well - almost 1.2VDC  when connected to the bolt in the ground.  I hope in the sand with salt water won't be a problem.

George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pontifex on December 09, 2007, 08:08:45 PM
Quote
I seem to remember Thomas made comments about the correct graphite rods to use, but i can not remember exactly what he said. [ its my age] seem to think he said carbon rods from batteries would work, but it would be hard to find these in the right proportions.

"The carbon rods from batteries" was an unanswered suggestion from Stefan Hartmann. Thomas said he used rods  he bought from Bosch but they were too thick and he said that it was a very dirty job to turn them to a smaller diameter.  It seems as if these rods were "carbons" for the connection of the collector for electrical motors (Schleifkohle/Kohlestift).

Greetz, Pontifex

Quote
Some of them didn't turn out to be true.
Any examples for such a statement (besides the release of info announced for today) ??


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 09, 2007, 08:32:49 PM
Hello Group
When i join the First thing I did was to copy and save everything i could relating to the project. I do not trust the internet or a groups files any more. I have pretty much everything i believe. The last time Thomas was discussing the tech the same thing happened due to him getting pissed off and left the discussion hanging. I did my first replication a year ago with out much success due to lack of construction data and procedures. This time when i had the chance to gather more data, i save everything i could relating. So that being said, some maybe helpful to workers and some me just be redundant, but i offer it all to the group if the group wants it. Tell me where and how u want it and i will try to get it to U. Even private mailing would be OK, just time consuming. Some of the stuff will need to be complied into a doc of some sort, but workable.

Regards
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 09, 2007, 08:36:09 PM

Quote
Some of them didn't turn out to be true.
Any examples for such a statement (besides the release of info announced for today) ??


No.  I was thinking about todays release.

Guys, Is there any way to contact that guy from Switzerland who has running v6?  Maybe he will help us out to replicate it?

George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 09, 2007, 08:55:21 PM

           For anyone who has an actual pyramid, and not yet built a converter, here i s a silly little experiment to try. Get 2 Ni cad rechargeable batteries, and totally discharge them, as shown by a voltmeter Place one cell horizontally inside the focus of the pyramid, with the positive terminal pointing north, and leave it for say 12 hours. leave the other cell on the bench as a controll. after 12 hours, compare the 2cell voltages. I would try it myself, but have not built the actual pyramid yet as I am still working on the converter. I dot expect it to work, but who knows...others have claimed it does.

Neptune,

I had one NiCad battery in my garage laying for at least half a year there. This morning right after you post the message  I checked the voltage - was 0.450VDC I placed it in the pyramid not even exactly at the center.   Now I am reading 0.505.  I will report the progress.
George

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 09, 2007, 08:58:38 PM
This time when i had the chance to gather more data, i save everything i could relating. So that being said, some maybe helpful to workers and some me just be redundant, but i offer it all to the group if the group wants it. Tell me where and how u want it and i will try to get it to U.

The best solution would be to pack all the files into a ZIP archive and upload it here or on a file sharing server like rapidshare.com etc.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 09, 2007, 09:02:14 PM
I had one NiCad battery in my garage laying for at least half a year there. This morning right after you post the message  I checked the voltage - was 0.45VDC I placed it in the pyramid not even exactly at the center.   Now I am reading 0.55.  I will report the progress.

Did you make both measurements at the same temperature ? 
If it was cold inside the garage the higher temperature in the house could be responsible for the increased voltage.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 09, 2007, 09:05:30 PM
Skywatcher
I'll see what i can do
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 09, 2007, 09:22:21 PM
I had one NiCad battery in my garage laying for at least half a year there. This morning right after you post the message  I checked the voltage - was 0.45VDC I placed it in the pyramid not even exactly at the center.   Now I am reading 0.55.  I will report the progress.

Did you make both measurements at the same temperature ? 
If it was cold inside the garage the higher temperature in the house could be responsible for the increased voltage.

My pyramid is in the garage as the battery. I moved battery from the shelf to pyramid by approx 2 meters (6ft). It could be that during the day temperature in the garage increased, but not much maybe few degrees only.  I will check tonight before I'll go to bed when temperature drops again.  I do not have thermometer to tell it for sure.   I would suggest someone else try this too.  If few of us can replicate it that would be a proof that something is going on inside of the pyramid.
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: John Valentin on December 09, 2007, 09:37:30 PM
Hello Group
.................
 So that being said, some maybe helpful to workers and some me just be redundant, but i offer it all to the group if the group wants it. Tell me where and how u want it and i will try to get it to U.

I agree with skywatcher : you can post the data here as a single zipped file. (if it's not to big).
Thanks in advance!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 09, 2007, 09:39:52 PM
Hello Skywatcher and Group
Ok i did it and hope i did it correctly
My files are on rapidshare
Link
http://rapidshare.com/files/75457154/Pyramid_Zip_Files.zip

Let me know
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 09, 2007, 09:40:35 PM
Ref. NiCd

Can it be , that if the battery thay was liging over month or jear,
can change the voltage (not in any way the power) , if the battery
is moved , turned. , comes to another position ?
(I think on liquid (Kalilauge) NiCd Batteries ! If this was an DRYCell
tahan i must not think on "this" possibility
Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: JosefH on December 09, 2007, 10:24:37 PM
@ vipon

thank you verry much

@all

yesterday i was at an Radi?st?t (in German) - is a person who feel the pyramid s energie with the hand or with a pendular.
He said to me that is verry important for plus  and minus at constructing the square  and after the top. and at the coating is the same procedure. He call this the "Polprellung"

He said to me that my pyramid dosent work . After correction here was 80 000 Bovis
he said that i can start my experiment
I can not say what this means but he wish me good luck
this week i will go on with my work an the v6 - i will inform you
josefH
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 09, 2007, 10:25:19 PM
At least Thomas Trawoeger is still reading this forum:

Last Active:     December 08, 2007, 10:57:08 AM

 :)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 09, 2007, 10:27:12 PM
http://rapidshare.com/files/75457154/Pyramid_Zip_Files.zip

Let me know

It's working. Thanks for uploading it.  :)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 09, 2007, 10:29:38 PM
Hi all,
here are a few picture from my setup and parts. there is a probleme with the proposed lenght of the rods the 90/95mm does not fit in the frame without touching the wet area I believe the rods have to be cut down to 80/85mm. I used copper clad cougiong rods and soldered the wire on. the mainframe is soldered on the bottom and the top is a press fit with the copper T. like you can see I left the full lenght of the middle pipe standing to mark the center point, which is 180mm from the bottom. I also wana use it to find the max point in regards to the hight by mount it isolated on the pipe and then adjust the hight.
I also use 1mm mica for spacing to solder the cap .
maybe this helps.
greetigns
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pontifex on December 09, 2007, 10:45:15 PM
@georgemay
Thanks for the posting concerning the pencil lead!

I remember now a PM stating that a replication used some thin pencil leads (bundled). A thick lead from one of these pencils that carpenters use at work should be ok as well (german: Zimmermannsbleistift).
The softer the lead of these pencils, the higher the content of graphite can be assumed. The amount of clay in these (soft pencil lead) mixtures is neglectable.The outcome of this is that it does not reduce the electric conductivity to a great extent (is not very important for our case anyway). The galvanic process will not be hampered too. 

The various graphite pencil grades are achieved by altering the proportion of graphite to clay: the more clay the harder the pencil. Today a set of pencils ranging from a very hard, light-marking pencil to a very soft, black-marking pencil usually ranges from hardest to softest as follows:
                                                         
(Hardest) → 9H    8H    7H    6H    5H    4H    3H    2H    H    F    HB    B    2B    3B    4B    5B    6B    7B    8B    9B (Softest)

In the United States a different system of grading and classification is used:

The following table shows approximate equivalences between the different systems:
   U.S.       World
   #1    =    B
   #2    =    HB
   #2½   =    F
   #3    =    H
   #4    =    2H

Unfortunately I will not be able to start with my replication before January ( :'( ), although all tools and most of the required material is already in my garage. If not otherwise advised I will start with some bundled soft pencils and if it fails try to obtain some graphite rods or some of these copper coated gouging carbons.

Greetings, Pontifex

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 09, 2007, 10:56:03 PM
The copper coated gouging rods seem to be unavailable at least in Germany. I went to a shop which sells welding supplies to small companies (not a hobby shop) and they didn't even know what i was talking about. I also asked a professional welder and he told me that these rods are not used any more for many years. Maybe they are still available in other countries. If this is the case maybe someone from there could send a package of these rods over here to someone who can distribute them to all interested people. 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 09, 2007, 11:29:11 PM
hi all
here are a link to a supplier of the gouging rods
http://www.mcmaster.com/
  Air Carbon-Gouging Electrode Copper Coated, 5/32" Diameter , 7979A41, $ 3.91/ pack of 10.
I could send a pack to somebody if they take the shiping cost. I need a adress to find out how much they want.
greetigns
walt



The copper coated gouging rods seem to be unavailable at least in Germany. I went to a shop which sells welding supplies to small companies (not a hobby shop) and they didn't even know what i was talking about. I also asked a professional welder and he told me that these rods are not used any more for many years. Maybe they are still available in other countries. If this is the case maybe someone from there could send a package of these rods over here to someone who can distribute them to all interested people. 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 10, 2007, 12:04:39 AM




here are a link to a supplier of the gouging rods
http://www.mcmaster.com/
 
Walter,
Thanks for the hint.  It didn't cross my mind to look there.  I even have an account with McMaster!
By the way,  Thanks for posting pictures, nice setup.  I like your spirit - there is no reason to give up. Isn't it a fun?
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 10, 2007, 12:19:50 AM
Ref. NiCd

Can it be , that if the battery thay was liging over month or jear,
can change the voltage (not in any way the power) , if the battery
is moved , turned. , comes to another position ?
(I think on liquid (Kalilauge) NiCd Batteries ! If this was an DRYCell
tahan i must not think on "this" possibility
Pese

Pese,
 I am not sure.  Next time I will try not to disturb it while checking voltage.  Actually this is a NiMH battery and not NiCad.  I guess I will give it few more days without touching it to see if voltage goes up. 

George
Title: Air Carbon-Gouging Electrode Copper Coated
Post by: Pontifex on December 10, 2007, 12:47:04 AM
The Air Carbon-Gouging Electrodes are not as rare or unknown in Germany as stated by skywatcher.
Try looking up "Kohleelektrode" in Google!
You can even get them via www.ebay.de (a little bit thick though, item number 120195729622).
Here are only a few examples and links for "Kohlelektrode" which are the same copper coated air carbon-gouging electrodes as stated by Walter Hofmann:

http://www.muehlmeier.de/schweisskat/katalog_039.php (http://www.muehlmeier.de/schweisskat/katalog_039.php)

http://www.rehm-schweisstechnik.de/index.php?xC=Kohleelektroden&sessID=39f4a45c89c12b7429808e8177798f17
 (http://www.rehm-schweisstechnik.de/index.php?xC=Kohleelektroden&sessID=39f4a45c89c12b7429808e8177798f17)
http://www.produkte24.com/ctp/2813/1/normal/ (http://www.produkte24.com/ctp/2813/1/normal/)

Greetings, Pontifex
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 10, 2007, 01:21:09 AM
@all

Here is an single html document of Thomas's Posts  plus a seperate set of documents containing 119 posts  to the TPP-Project..


-Duff


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 10, 2007, 03:33:52 AM
Thanks Duff for putting this together and making it available, great for the reference files

Regards
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 10, 2007, 11:11:42 AM
hi all,
I dont know something must be wrong on this picture.
I dont find it fair that thomas dont re act anymore after heating up everybody and then shut down like somebody mentioned here before a similar thing happening a long while back with thomas other site.
If he wants this to move on like he said why isnt he posting the rest here even if he does not give any support anymore what I could understand out of time reason or did he just want everybody to start again then he should have told this honest.
what do you guys think
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 10, 2007, 11:28:16 AM
I think one of the reasons that Thomas dont want to support us, is because seems that people had fear to show their results.Two people claimed success,but no one wanted to become public.His principal goal was to get replicas of his devices from indipendent people,to show the result to the world.If no one want to show their success,there is no reason to continue.....

Regards,
Cyrano
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 10, 2007, 11:36:34 AM
hey cyrano,
i disagree till now there is no final data on his setup how can anybody report or even finish the replica in order to report back results what is known till this stage is a outer hull of the version V12 but this can not give a result because like thomas said it self the "converter on V 12 is totally different then V6 the one where he had given the details. even me did just the replica of this V6 converter ( not quite finished jet) as soon as I have finished it I will put it in the hull and see whats happen and I will report back believe me one way or the other.
dont you think ?
greetings
walt

I think one of the reasons that Thomas dont want to support us, is because seems that people had fear to show their results.Two people claimed success,but no one wanted to become public.His principal goal was to get replicas of his devices from indipendent people,to show the result to the world.If no one want to show their success,there is no reason to continue.....

Regards,
Cyrano
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 10, 2007, 12:27:05 PM
message to Walter Hoffman. There is no need to shorten graphite rods. Diagram shows that rods extend inside T pieces [T stuck] at top corners of frame. The whole of the top of the frame is full of sand. Hope this helps. Neptune
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: islandan on December 10, 2007, 12:39:00 PM
Perfect !
Thanks Duff  ;)

@all

Here is an single html document of Thomas's Posts  plus a seperate set of documents containing 119 posts  to the TPP-Project..


-Duff



Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 10, 2007, 12:39:24 PM
Hi Walter.
Thomas expressed openly his worry about people that dont wanted to show their result on his devices in general,and decided to discuss this problem with the moderators.It happened when we was talking with the V6,not the V12.The two replicas I was talking about was the V6.
Even if you say "i will show my results",these are only words ,and Thomas  wanted  the certainity.
Certainly was for that reasons that he said on his website that he wanted that the "rigth" people gets the full plans.
The rigth people are the ones that gives support to his project,not the ones that disappears,saying" Thank You;Bye..."
Essentially Thomas was not sharing his findings.Hes idea was:" I need your help and in exchange,I give you the plans."

regards,
Cyrano.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 10, 2007, 03:47:23 PM
We do not know if or when Thomas will return,So all we can do is work with what we have. We have heard nothing from Hurricane, who claimed a working replication. Untill we do we have no proof of hi s existence. We are fairly sure, that tinu has built a v6 and that he cannot get it to work. We do not know how close this is to the original spec. Indeed, there are grey areas in the spec.
 ! we cannot be certain exactly what graphite material to use. { the diameter seems critical, as Thomas describes the dirty job of turning these iv a lathe]
2 We are not sure of the capacitors[ air spaced or other dielectric] or what the capacitance should be. for eample. capacitance of main cap depends on how tightly it is clamped together.
3There may be other variables, such as the sand[or you tell me]
4Does it need to be on the ground floor? touching the soil? What is the effect of having a lon g earth cable?
         Thomas said that if operated without a load, the voltage would go very high, and the effect would then dissapear. Owing to the  very high internal resistance of the device,i suspect High voltages would always be present within the device [Thomas speaks of shocks and static problems with larger models.] Therefor, it would need a dry atmosphere to work.These are my thoughts today. Can you add to them<
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 10, 2007, 05:07:14 PM
In Thomas's defense:

If you had you & your family's life threatened how would your react?

Your initial reactions might be you guy can't stop me,  but once you've had time to think about it and everything sinks in it may bring a different response.


-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 10, 2007, 08:01:43 PM
Hello Duff
I do not understand your Q What do u mean??
Have any of u had a problem accessing the Overunity site???
Made it this time, but fought like hell 10 minutes ago
Keep getting this message
"User 'hartiberlin1' has exceeded the 'max_questions' resource (current
value: 100000)"
 What does this mean ?
Thanks Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 10, 2007, 08:14:23 PM
Hello Duff
I do not understand your Q What do u mean??
Have any of u had a problem accessing the Overunity site???
Made it this time, but fought like hell 10 minutes ago
Keep getting this message
"User 'hartiberlin1' has exceeded the 'max_questions' resource (current
value: 100000)"
 What does this mean ?
Thanks Bill


Looks like stefan is have sql database probems.


-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 10, 2007, 08:21:59 PM
If you had you & your family's life threatened how would your react?

Kill him, before he could kill me.   ;D

Topic: showing and discussing results:
I don't understand why people are not willing to show and discuss their results. It's the only way to improve the construction, and i think this was also the reason for Thomas to share his plans. He can not do all testing and experimenting himself, because this would be very time- and money-consuming. If there are a number of people everyone could work on different aspects. If i read claims that 'someone has successfully replicated' the pyramid but wants to remain in the underground, this gives me a bad smell: Not only because this person acts in this way, but also because that's no proof of anything, and i even don't know if this person actually exists, or if someone only has made up this story for whatever reason. If i see photos of the working thing this is also not really a proof, but at least it would require more effort to fake it.   ;)  If i see this from several persons, it would become even more unlikely that it could be a fake...

Today i buyed some material and in the next days i will construct the frame structure. I will use the usual 20x20 mm steel pipes, but i will not weld them together, but connect them by screws and joints made of steel plates (angles). This will give me the flexibility to change the construction (for optimization) or to destruct it easily if it won't work. I will make photos of every construction step for documentation purposes.  :)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 10, 2007, 09:38:45 PM
Yes, but that was in a different life, Ok
I no longer work with that tech.

Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 10, 2007, 09:42:59 PM
Yes, I NO longer work with that tech. If this is what happen to Thomas
then I totally understand, But I at least had a friend post my plans.
Funny thing is people can not follow directions, even though they had plans.
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 10, 2007, 10:00:17 PM
 ???
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 10, 2007, 10:11:26 PM
As i have said before, following plans is not as easy as some people assume. Look at the pages and pages of debate over the plans for a simple pyramid frame on Thomas web site. Even the simplest sentence is capable of being interpreted several ways.How else do lawyers make a living?
           Judging by reports, we may have several V6 models completed by Christmas. What I really hope is that the guys who complete and do not get it working, publish their results, or lack of them , so that we can all help them, and suggest ideas. If nothing else we can make a list of modifications that don't work.There is nothing worse than a project that ends in mystery. Imagine a world where people were incapable of lying...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: MT on December 10, 2007, 10:13:34 PM
Made it this time, but fought like hell 10 minutes ago
Keep getting this message
"User 'hartiberlin1' has exceeded the 'max_questions' resource (current
value: 100000)"
 What does this mean ?

DoS attack? Had same problem in the morning. Now it is ok.
MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 10, 2007, 10:28:38 PM
What I really hope is that the guys who complete and do not get it working, publish their results, or lack of them

If it's not working, this is also a result.

In this case, there are three possibilities:

a) it was not built correctly
b) it was built correctly, but other factors (e.g. the environment/surroundings of the pyramid) prevent any functionality
c) the whole project is a fake, and can never and nowhere be a success

In cases a) and b) there is a good chance to fix it by comparing results.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 10, 2007, 10:41:13 PM
what is my probleme with the most reports is that some people are afraid to tell the real results because they dont wana be attacked the other side is that others have a ego probleme and wana be better then the rest.
any how what I am wondering is if there is allready a seperate group who did get via PM the plans because they dont show up here anymore ( ovidio and some others)
I does not matter to me but it is just strange.
greetings
walt


What I really hope is that the guys who complete and do not get it working, publish their results, or lack of them

If it's not working, this is also a result.

In this case, there are three possibilities:

a) it was not built correctly
b) it was built correctly, but other factors (e.g. the environment/surroundings of the pyramid) prevent any functionality
c) the whole project is a fake, and can never and nowhere be a success

In cases a) and b) there is a good chance to fix it by comparing results.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: MT on December 10, 2007, 10:42:33 PM
Learned yesterday: for people who gonna use graphite sticks from pencils you do not have to splinter wood to get it out, just burn wood above flame, graphite stays  :)

Concerning pyramide I have so far base and 2 edges. Cutting iron aint cutting butter but it is doable and  moreover fun. Still have a bit shaky hands from it. Also managed to get the rest of material (copper tubing, Ts and turns) except sand. Rigips 12,5 mm was to my big surprise at shop!

Just got idea to build galvanic cell from piece of copper tube stick from pecil and some sand + salt water how much Volts it would give. It would be interesting to learn about these things as it plays some role seems in device. But I wont build it today thats for sure.

good night to everybody,
MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 10, 2007, 10:55:47 PM
any how what I am wondering is if there is allready a seperate group who did get via PM the plans because they dont show up here anymore ( ovidio and some others)
I does not matter to me but it is just strange.

We don't know... but if the V12 plans have the same amount of detail as the V6 plans we have, then it's not sure they will succeed without help of the community. Except, when they are getting continuous support from Thomas. But i don't think he is doing this.

Just got idea to build galvanic cell from piece of copper tube stick from pecil and some sand + salt water how much Volts it would give. It would be interesting to learn about these things as it plays some role seems in device.

As soon i have completed the whole setup, i will measure the voltage between the coal sticks and the copper before the converter will be put inside the pyramid, to see if the voltage increases after putting it inside the pyramid. Even if it increases only some mV (or some percent) this would be a sign that something is going on.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 10, 2007, 10:56:41 PM
Just an update I have mine built with all sides now, tonight will find center and start the inside job. I just bought the pencils and its a job to take the wood off, thats a good help, MT burn it off, thanks! My large 12 by 12 copper sheet should be here this week. To find center I was thinking of making a small hole in center of plates then using a laser pointer, to shoot through the hole, might be better than rods, we see.

With Sand I got some play sand as a sample, don't know if this is good or not, but free is free. I really hope a test before xmas and the inside should go faster.

wayne
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Localjoe on December 10, 2007, 11:04:41 PM
Copper and graphite yeilded our best results in the earth battery thread, i would be interested to see what quarts sand in a mixing bowl with some salt water and these two electrodes put out.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 10, 2007, 11:23:26 PM
The copper tubes are not connected to anything.  This is not a standard cell.
george
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: hansvonlieven on December 10, 2007, 11:38:17 PM
Made it this time, but fought like hell 10 minutes ago
Keep getting this message
"User 'hartiberlin1' has exceeded the 'max_questions' resource (current
value: 100000)"
 What does this mean ?

DoS attack? Had same problem in the morning. Now it is ok.
MT

These problems started occurring when Stefan changed servers. They started happening long before this thread was being initiated.

Hans von Lieven
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 10, 2007, 11:50:50 PM
To find center I was thinking of making a small hole in center of plates then using a laser pointer, to shoot through the hole, might be better than rods, we see.

I think the best way to find the center is not fiddling around with rods or laser pointers, but to calculate and measure it.   ::)

The center of the pyramid has to be exactly on the middle axis, so draw the diagonals of the base, and the center is where they intersect each other. So we have the x and y coordinates. For the z coordinate we have to know which kind of center we are looking for. I thought it was clear until i tried to construct it on paper, and also looked at Thomas' sketches.

There are 2 possibilities:

You could take the side planes of the pyramid, which are equal-sides triangles, and construct the middle point of each side plane, which is approx. 29 cm above the base (measured on the plane). When the plane is slanted (mounted on the pyramid) then this point is approx. 23.5 cm above the base plane. When you now construct a line perpendicular to the side plane through this point, it will not even reach the line going from the center of the base upwards to the top of the pyramid.

Thomas has drawn a sketch where he constructed the perpendicular lines from half the height of the pyramid. Then they intersect with the center line, but his sketch is not plausible because he sketched a equal-sides triangle as side-view of the pyramid, which it is not (in the side view the base is 1 m and the two other sides are 0.86 m).

Mounting the converter:

I would suggest not hanging it from the top of the pyramid, but placing it on a stick which is mounted on the base plane.
This gives more flexibility for finding the exact location and orientation (in my opinion).
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 11, 2007, 12:12:01 AM
hi skywaker,
I did the construction and the centerline of the side planes and the midle axis intercept exactly at a hight of 180mm from the base.
greetings
walt

To find center I was thinking of making a small hole in center of plates then using a laser pointer, to shoot through the hole, might be better than rods, we see.

I think the best way to find the center is not fiddling around with rods or laser pointers, but to calculate and measure it.   ::)

The center of the pyramid has to be exactly on the middle axis, so draw the diagonals of the base, and the center is where they intersect each other. So we have the x and y coordinates. For the z coordinate we have to know which kind of center we are looking for. I thought it was clear until i tried to construct it on paper, and also looked at Thomas' sketches.

There are 2 possibilities:

You could take the side planes of the pyramid, which are equal-sides triangles, and construct the middle point of each side plane, which is approx. 29 cm above the base (measured on the plane). When the plane is slanted (mounted on the pyramid) then this point is approx. 23.5 cm above the base plane. When you now construct a line perpendicular to the side plane through this point, it will not even reach the line going from the center of the base upwards to the top of the pyramid.

Thomas has drawn a sketch where he constructed the perpendicular lines from half the height of the pyramid. Then they intersect with the center line, but his sketch is not plausible because he sketched a equal-sides triangle as side-view of the pyramid, which it is not (in the side view the base is 1 m and the two other sides are 0.86 m).

Mounting the converter:

I would suggest not hanging it from the top of the pyramid, but placing it on a stick which is mounted on the base plane.
This gives more flexibility for finding the exact location and orientation (in my opinion).
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 11, 2007, 12:20:44 AM
I did the construction and the centerline of the side planes and the midle axis intercept exactly at a hight of 180mm from the base.

Yes, this was also my result. But then you didn't use the center points of the side planes, but the middle of the line drawn from the middle of the baseline up to the top. From there, the perpendicular line intersects the center line of the pyramid 180 mm above the base plane.
Title: Re: Air Carbon-Gouging Electrode Copper Coated
Post by: skywatcher on December 11, 2007, 02:31:36 AM
The Air Carbon-Gouging Electrodes are not as rare or unknown in Germany as stated by skywatcher.
Try looking up "Kohleelektrode" in Google!
You can even get them via www.ebay.de (a little bit thick though, item number 120195729622).
Here are only a few examples and links for "Kohlelektrode" which are the same copper coated air carbon-gouging electrodes as stated by Walter Hofmann:

http://www.muehlmeier.de/schweisskat/katalog_039.php (http://www.muehlmeier.de/schweisskat/katalog_039.php)

http://www.rehm-schweisstechnik.de/index.php?xC=Kohleelektroden&sessID=39f4a45c89c12b7429808e8177798f17
 (http://www.rehm-schweisstechnik.de/index.php?xC=Kohleelektroden&sessID=39f4a45c89c12b7429808e8177798f17)
http://www.produkte24.com/ctp/2813/1/normal/ (http://www.produkte24.com/ctp/2813/1/normal/)

Greetings, Pontifex


Thanks for the info.  :)

I have ordered a pack of 50 electrodes (4 mm x 305 mm) which will be more than enough for me ;) so if anybody (in Germany or sorrounding countries) will need carbon rods, maybe i could send him some... i hope i will get the stuff before christmas.   
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 11, 2007, 04:34:33 AM
Hello Group
Looking at different types of Gypsum board.
Was there a spec. of board thickness or type of board? Considering this
http://www.nationalgypsum.com/products/product8.aspx

It is a 1/4"(6mm+) high flex drywall board for final construction.

Comments?

Thanks
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: 2toxic4u on December 11, 2007, 08:38:44 AM

Hi vipond50,

As far as I can remember the thickness required was 1/2 an inch (12mm) for the gypsum boards.

Thanks for sharing with us.

Best regards
2toxic4u
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Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 11, 2007, 09:04:51 AM

Hi vipond50,

As far as I can remember the thickness required was 1/2 an inch (12mm) for the gypsum boards.

Thanks for sharing with us.

Best regards
2toxic4u
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yes , (but) because in germany (austria) you find only 12mm and  -rare- 10mm at some maket places).
TT sayd that also an "painture" is ok , if it contains pipsum !
(on wood , enz.)  so the 6mm is in any way OK.

G.P.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on December 11, 2007, 12:10:52 PM
I would suggest not hanging it from the top of the pyramid, but placing it on a stick which is mounted on the base plane.
This gives more flexibility for finding the exact location and orientation (in my opinion).
What do you mean finding the exact location and orientation? It's supposed to be right smack in the center of the pyramid... Not much other locations to try, really...
As for orientation, I thought it was the pyramid itself that had to be aligned to the north somewhat, not the converter inside the pyramid...

And I also thought there was a reason for mounting the convertor hanging from the apex, as the convertor and its suspension are copper tubing, connected to the apex of the pyramid. Obviously a conductive connection to the conductive pyramid frame will have different properties than no conductive connection to the frame.
Although Trawoeger has not said so, it seems to me this conductive connection plays a role. I may be mistaken, of course.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 11, 2007, 12:25:26 PM

And I also thought there was a reason for mounting the convertor hanging from the apex, as the convertor and its suspension are copper tubing, connected to the apex of the pyramid. Obviously a conductive connection to the conductive pyramid frame will have different properties than no conductive connection to the frame.
Although Trawoeger has not said so, it seems to me this conductive connection plays a role. I may be mistaken, of course.

Koen1

here are TT words from his former web site:

"Now you need some Plastic-Tube wich fits prefectly into your 3/8" Tube on the top of the Pyramide. (Installation-tube for electricals)

Stick in the Plastic-Tube and fit it good. Then mark the Center of your Pyramide on this tube."

To my understanding this should act as isolator.  Now maybe I am wrong? because plastic tube was used for marking only ???

George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on December 11, 2007, 12:41:11 PM
Hmmm well I am not sure...

All the pics I've seen do not show a plastic tube at all, they show a copper tube connected to the apex...
And I do know that plasitc tube as well as welding rods of exact length are used to determine the exact center of the pyramid...
So it might be that the plastic tube is only used to determine the exact center of the pyramid, or it may be that I am simply slighlty blind and there is indeed a plastic tube connecting the copper tube to the apex...

Maybe Pese knows?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 11, 2007, 01:12:54 PM
Quick post Do not use playsand, this is not sand, but crushed limestone. Thomas said, hang converter on non- conductive thread. Video , which is NOT the v6, uses copper tube support, but this may be insulated from steel frame at top. Gotta go to work...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 11, 2007, 01:15:46 PM
Thomas specifically said that the thickness of gypsum board was not important
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on December 11, 2007, 02:15:00 PM
Hey, what happened to the forum at www.trawoeger-pyramide.info ?

What kind of sick joke is that? First you lure all the interested people to your forum,
you run it for 2 weeks, then you whipe the entire forum without even telling any of the registered users by email?
Why?

This lowers my respect for mr Trawoeger tremendously. Get people excited and then disappoint them by whiping all info?
Surely the few lurkers that did not share information cannot be the reason for this?
I thought the entire idea was to have an active forum for people to discuss the pyramid replications, variations, and theory?

If this is the way Trawoeger tries to stimulate the pyramid "community", then perhaps he should do a quick course in social interaction?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: starcruiser on December 11, 2007, 02:18:15 PM
The converter is isolated from the frame using the plastic tube, it is an integral part of the design. TT mentioned this prior. The ground lead is tied to the pyramid frame and the converter is positive in respect to the frame so connecting the converter with a conductive pipe to the apex of the frame will effectively short it out.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on December 11, 2007, 02:37:54 PM
Well that's another reason why I'm so ticked off about the forum disappearing:
a full step by step build description was on there.

I thought the point of the forum was to get everything clear for those who want to replicate,
so that we don't have to have these discussions...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: starcruiser on December 11, 2007, 02:44:58 PM
Well some of us had caught these details so we share them if we know. Don't let this stop you, I would build but I do not have some of the required tools to do it but would love to. I am working on the TPU project but I am watching other threads as well. I hope the info was of help. Good luck and I hope you get a working unit up an running soon.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 11, 2007, 02:52:56 PM
Hey, what happened to the forum at www.trawoeger-pyramide.info ?

What kind of sick joke is that? First you lure all the interested people to your forum,
you run it for 2 weeks, then you whipe the entire forum without even telling any of the registered users by email?
Why?

This lowers my respect for mr Trawoeger tremendously. Get people excited and then disappoint them by whiping all info?
Surely the few lurkers that did not share information cannot be the reason for this?
I thought the entire idea was to have an active forum for people to discuss the pyramid replications, variations, and theory?

If this is the way Trawoeger tries to stimulate the pyramid "community", then perhaps he should do a quick course in social interaction?

The forum was hacked, destroyed and Thomas & his family's life threatened.

Here's some of the info you need if you want to build:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg63494.html#msg63494


-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Koen1 on December 11, 2007, 03:07:13 PM
Oh, was the site hacked and did Trawoeger receive threats?
Didn't know that. Sorry mr Trawoeger, didn't know, I take back my harsh words.

Still, even if the site was hacked, there's backup isn't there?
We could put it back online again? And again, and again, if they keep hacking it...

As for the threats... What threats were made, exactly?
Did someone say "If you continue to post your pyramid work, you will have a nasty accident" or something?
A bit odd... Usually inventors or great new energy devices are either threatened in person, or they are simply not threatened at all but wind up deceased from a "heart attack" or something "natural" like that. (like mr Marinov's "fall" from a fire escape at a university library, while he had just made hotel reservations for a later date)
Still, if people feel it's worth making death threats over, there's probably someone scared of losing their oil profits...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 11, 2007, 03:21:23 PM
Re the V6 converter. At least twice, I have referred to the 2 coils in other posts,because I feel these could cause problems. First TT refers to these coils as having in internal diameter of about 25 mm. this suggests that the insulated wire is not wound directly onto the copper tubes but on some type of former[ layers of cardboard. ] \the plans call for one coil clockwise and the other anti clockwise. To check if you got this right, look at the lower ends of the coils Looking at the converter from  the front, on one coil, the wire must exit the coil from behind the copper frame, and on the other coil from the front of the copper frame. If you winding obeys these rules, and pyramid does not work. try rewinding Both coils in the opposite direction. So if you had the clockwise coil, and on the right , put the clockwise coil on the left and the anticlock wise coil on the right.
    This could be important, as the two sides of the converter are not the same, as they have different lengths of graphite rods. OK I will shut up now...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 11, 2007, 04:24:52 PM
First off sorry for the bad drawing but had a question, I noticed last night it could be A or B. When I shot the laser using A method it seemed very close to ground level, maybe this is right. Any comment!

And I won't use play sand now but someone said bird gravel, easy to get. But looked at boxes and they have other things added for the flying friends. Its very strange how other builders are gone and only a few now. More later>
Title: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Earl on December 11, 2007, 04:43:28 PM
[snip]
any how what I am wondering is if there is allready a seperate group who did get via PM the plans because they dont show up here anymore ( ovidio and some others)
[snip]
greetings
walt

perhaps by private email, but not PM, since PM on this forum does not allow any attachments.

Earl
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pontifex on December 11, 2007, 05:09:39 PM
It must be solution A as the confirmed step-by-step instruction says that the angle needs to be 90? degrees:

(http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7475/pyramidcentreae3.png)

Greetz, Pontifex
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 11, 2007, 05:16:06 PM
[snip]
any how what I am wondering is if there is allready a seperate group who did get via PM the plans because they dont show up here anymore ( ovidio and some others)
[snip]
greetings
walt

 maybe..... ;D
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 11, 2007, 05:20:03 PM
Thanks Pontifex
Will do

I burned off the wood from my pencil and cut one too 90mm and the other 95mm. They are 5mm wide and about 2mm thick, not perfect. I took a ohm meter and got approx 20 ohms from end to end. I assume using 2mm rod this would be less but will try this first.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 11, 2007, 05:27:35 PM
I have conducted  an experiment to see if something happen.
Half glass cup was filled with quartzsand and exposed to the focus of the pyramid for a couple of days.Than I put in the glass some tapwater to make the sand just wet.I inserted the two  graphite electrodes and I connected my meter on voltage reading.The meter jumped at the end of the scale!.But was less 2 Volts....The test was reapeated some time later but this time the meter showd few mV at every reading.Again,after some time the reading turned to zero and not resuscitated..... Is it a real proof od something?.(The wet sand not exposed to the pyramid dont show any voltage.)

Regards,
Cyrano
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 11, 2007, 05:28:59 PM

@ guys in US

I have had my frame spot welded for a while and have been struggling with the issue of the 3/8" pipe.

I was unable to find 3/8" pipe at a reasonable cost (they wanted $100 for 20' length) and had substituted 3/8 rod instead. Now I think I need to look for  pipe again before I weld this thing up...

Where did you guys locate your 3/8" pipe.


-Duff



Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 11, 2007, 05:35:44 PM
Duff
I had the same problem and used 3/8" rod, very cheap. Then made a coupler to connect the plastic hose, seems okay
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pontifex on December 11, 2007, 05:51:28 PM
Quote
Tigrotto: Last active: Today at 02:25:50 PM

Hmmm, he is exceptionally silent.... :-\
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 11, 2007, 05:56:48 PM
ANYONE HERE WITH A SCOPE, CAN TAKE SOME PICS OF SIGNAL OUTPUT COMING FROM THE CENTRAL CAP INSIDE THE PYRAMID?.THANK YOU.
REGARDS,
CYRANO
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Localjoe on December 11, 2007, 06:54:16 PM
@Georgemay
             Hey i was thinking for a minute and i understand why you were saying that this is a completely different kind of cell but, If im right the galvanic action of your graphite and copper is the, galvanic difference, tension you could say that "vibrates" your peizeo... quarts sand so i was just thinking that if thats the start process, the cells do have similarities just different medium for the ion current...
                                                                                                               Joe
                                                                                                               
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 11, 2007, 06:58:28 PM
I have had my frame spot welded for a while and have been struggling with the issue of the 3/8" pipe.

I was unable to find 3/8" pipe at a reasonable cost (they wanted $100 for 20' length) and had substituted 3/8 rod instead. Now I think I need to look for  pipe again before I weld this thing up...

That's one of the reasons why i suggested not to hang the converter on this tube, but to put it on a nonconductive rod and mount this to the pyramid base plane, which is much easier. I understood that the 3/8" pipe has no functional meaning and serves only for mounting the converter.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: CTG Labs on December 11, 2007, 07:00:12 PM
I have conducted  an experiment to see if something happen.
Half glass cup was filled with quartzsand and exposed to the focus of the pyramid for a couple of days.Than I put in the glass some tapwater to make the sand just wet.I inserted the two  graphite electrodes and I connected my meter on voltage reading.The meter jumped at the end of the scale!.But was less 2 Volts....The test was reapeated some time later but this time the meter showd few mV at every reading.Again,after some time the reading turned to zero and not resuscitated..... Is it a real proof od something?.(The wet sand not exposed to the pyramid dont show any voltage.)

Regards,
Cyrano

Hi Cyrano,

If it really only does do this after being placed under the pyramid of course its significant!  You could be showing that this quartz mix is indeed being "charged" by "something/aether" which then allows an electrical reaction.  Then when removed from the pyramid and tested, this charge runs down.  So perhaps keeping it in the pyramid obviously allows this charge to continue!

Great observation, and perhaps validation!

Please try it several more times to confirm!


Dave.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 11, 2007, 07:02:17 PM
Magpower, I would say that diagram A is correct even though, according to the TT description, one would expect B to be right. Look at the pyramid on Youtube. Position of the converter looks more like "A".Many people are saying, 180mm from the floor. If this phenomena is real, I strongly suspect the existence of a secret group with V12 plans.If this proves to be the case, and working models result[By Christmas?] I do hope TT lets us less privileged mortals know. Hey wouldn't it be something if one of us guys beat them to it.....
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 11, 2007, 07:03:12 PM
Half glass cup was filled with quartzsand and exposed to the focus of the pyramid for a couple of days.Than I put in the glass some tapwater to make the sand just wet.I inserted the two  graphite electrodes and I connected my meter on voltage reading.The meter jumped at the end of the scale!.But was less 2 Volts....The test was reapeated some time later but this time the meter showd few mV at every reading.Again,after some time the reading turned to zero and not resuscitated..... Is it a real proof od something?.(The wet sand not exposed to the pyramid dont show any voltage.)

To get meaningful results, i would suggest the following procedure:

Take two identical glass cups, fill them with identical sand, then put one into the pyramid and leave the other one outside the pyramid.
After the waiting time, put the same amount of water into both cups and then measure the voltages.

Additional question:
Did you have the gypsum plates mounted on the frame, or did you use only the frame without gypsum plates ?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 11, 2007, 07:05:20 PM
ANYONE HERE WITH A SCOPE, CAN TAKE SOME PICS OF SIGNAL OUTPUT COMING FROM THE CENTRAL CAP INSIDE THE PYRAMID?.THANK YOU.

I have a very good scope, but no pyramid (still working on it).  Maybe in a few days...  :)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 11, 2007, 07:11:06 PM
Still, even if the site was hacked, there's backup isn't there?
We could put it back online again? And again, and again, if they keep hacking it...

Most of the info regarding the V6 which was in the forum has been saved and reposted here (you have to search the last 10-15 pages of this thread). What's missing are the V12 plans, which never have been posted on TT's forum, and also have not been posted elsewhere, as it had been promised shortly after the destruction of the forum.  :(
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 11, 2007, 07:22:34 PM
Been looking for the right sand now, what about this  http://www.michaels.com/art/online/displayProductPage?productNum=fl0163

Will check out Walmart for bird gravel tonight. We are getting closer every day,

Also  get 3/8" plastic tube, go and get one 20" toilet or sink tubes, then get 1/2" poly adapt, one with threads and other end with V groves. This end fits perfect into T 1/2" copper. The 20" sink tube need a little tape to fit tight into poly adapter. Easy and cheap
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 11, 2007, 07:29:39 PM
@Skywatcher
All that you are saying was made.I have a scientific background.I posted the result to see if I'm becoming crazy or not,(to see if someone else is able to reply the experiment...).No,I havent the gypsyum plates mounted,because I used a different pyramid made of aluminium pipes.and with little dimensions...

@CTG Labs
Here some interesting guy to talk with!.Hello Dave,how are you?
Personally I think that the pyramid is concentrating a small fraction of Radiant Energy(see Tesla & Others).Why I have this feeling?.Because RE have decaying proprieties.The energy fall down over time.I have observed the fall for about three days....
I have noticed that you dont need the graphite electrodes,because if you immerse the probes of the voltmeter directly in the wet sand,yo get voltage reading!.If you use the graphite electrodes, (different length) you will obtain a fixed poles (+ and -) but less voltage.
Something is suggesting me that some piezoelectric phenomenon is involved....

@All
Someone here have some good link on piezo batteries?.THANK YOU.

Regards,
Cyrano.
Title: The proper sand ?!
Post by: Pontifex on December 11, 2007, 08:13:34 PM
Been looking for the right sand now, what about this  http://www.michaels.com/art/online/displayProductPage?productNum=fl0163

Will check out Walmart for bird gravel tonight. We are getting closer every day,

Also  get 3/8" plastic tube, go and get one 20" toilet or sink tubes, then get 1/2" poly adapt, one with threads and other end with V groves. This end fits perfect into T 1/2" copper. The 20" sink tube need a little tape to fit tight into poly adapter. Easy and cheap

Hi magpower,
Thomas used silica sand for the filtering of swimming pools (small grain size). We are not sure whether the mineralogy of the sand is of any importance. Birdsand contains silica sand, shell grit, and anise scent. The decor sand you want to use could be made out of anything. Your local building centre should have the right stuff. Maybe they give you a sample for free. A public playground could also be a place  to get a handful of the right stuff.
Some sand contains limestone or shell particles. As already stated we do not know if this should be avoided. There is an easy test for limestone content in your sand: put a few drops of hydrochloric acid on the sand. Limestone reacts with hydrochloric acid to release bubbles of carbon dioxide gas. If the acid fizzes on your sample, it contains limestone.
Dropping vinegar on the sample and observing for bubbles through a hand lens works too.

Greetings, Pontifex
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: JosefH on December 11, 2007, 08:20:33 PM
@all,
a member of TT forum send this sketch. i wil show you and say that i wil test it in the next time. wherever another have time he can do it.

JosefH
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 11, 2007, 08:24:22 PM
Just had a hour working on my V6 capacitor.Its very cold in my garage...Re Skywatchers comments on the Pegasus experiment. I agree that the use of a "controll cup" outside the pyramid is vital. It would be nice if someone with a 1 metre gypsum covered pyramid could duplicate this. Cant do it myself yet as I am still waiting for my welder man. This could turn out to be the nearest we have to proof at this stage. I suggest also that the experiment also be tried with a SMALL amount of salt water as well. Someone suggested that the part played by the sand is that of a piezzo generator. There is also corroboration of this theory in TT`s words, where he emphasises that the lower ends of the graphite rods must hang free and not be restrained in any way. Two days ago I felt really low, but today I am much more optimistic. Hang in there brothers...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 11, 2007, 08:56:38 PM
@Skywatcher
All that you are saying was made.I have a scientific background.I posted the result to see if I'm becoming crazy or not,(to see if someone else is able to reply the experiment...).No,I havent the gypsyum plates mounted,because I used a different pyramid made of aluminium pipes.and with little dimensions...

TT say?d
Aluminium WILL NOT WORK
Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: JosefH on December 11, 2007, 09:02:18 PM
@ pese,
i often have heard from  russian pyramids  they ara built in acryl.

and in combination copper, al and acryl why not?

Josef H
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tao on December 11, 2007, 09:17:52 PM
@Skywatcher
All that you are saying was made.I have a scientific background.I posted the result to see if I'm becoming crazy or not,(to see if someone else is able to reply the experiment...).No,I havent the gypsyum plates mounted,because I used a different pyramid made of aluminium pipes.and with little dimensions...

TT say?d
Aluminium WILL NOT WORK
Pese


This is correct. TT said that about aluminum because of his specific construction and how he grounds the output cap to the frame of the pyramid, in which case TT found that steel worked best/better...

It is the SHAPE that really matters, the russians, and others using even wood for the frame, have all noted the various 'pyramidal effects', so it is the shape that ultimately matters. Therefore, Pegasus's aluminum pyramid CAN easily show true pyramidal energy effects. In such case, by Pegasus doing those tests, we can better learn how TT's circuit works within his pyramid.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 11, 2007, 09:19:24 PM
TT say?d
Aluminium WILL NOT WORK

Maybe it won't work for generating electricity, but for other things.   ???

Yesterday i browsed through the older pages of this thread, and found the following statement which was made by TT two years ago:

Quote
3.) Der Pyramidenrahmen beteht aus einfachem Stahl (St38) welcher geschweisst und lackiert ist. Ich kann best?tigen, dass das Material des Pyramidenaufbaues bei der Funktion ?berhaupt keine Rolle spielt.
Der Rahmen sollte nur stabil sein, sonst nichts.

Translation:
3.) The frame of the pyramid consists of simple steel (St38) which has been welded and painted. I can confirm, that the material of the pyramid plays absolute no role regarding the function.
The frame only should be stable, nothing else.


This is one of TT's contradicting statements. To say this he should have tried other materials, and have seen that they also work.
I also found another statement where he stated that he had tried other materials (copper, aluminium, even wood), and only wood didn't work at all, but copper worked, but with reduced performance.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 11, 2007, 10:14:22 PM
Hi all
to the sand I use the sand from old fashion main fuses this is pur silica. in germany the old schraubsicherungen if they still can be found.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 11, 2007, 10:36:14 PM
Just putting the plumbing together with rods and should the ends touch the sand or not. To me it makes sense so both rods touch sand and make a circuit, and adding the salt water conducts the sand with rods. Having it open at end I really don't know how this would work. Anybody know for sure ?
Thks
Wayne ???

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 11, 2007, 10:36:28 PM
Hi all,
I just tested the pure copper frame with the graphite rods and the bottom filled with saltwater solution. by connecting the neg to outside of copper pipe and pos. to each of the graphite rods the result was 0.456V  and 0.461V. after inserting the frame in to the pyramid frame ( no cover jet) and standing inside my metall workshop on top of a table saw with cardboard connecting the neg to the pyramide frame and the positive to ether of the rods the voltage did fluctuate from 0.231V to 0.482V but only at DC setting nothing at AC setting. I also did see a increase of voltage by turning the frame out of the center north line to NNE about 5 degree. this actually confirme's that the magnetic northpool is about 5 degree West of the geographic northpool, maybe this is also the reason what TT talked a while back and in his video that there was a change by turning the pyramide a bit out of direct north but he did turn the whole pyramide. I try this too but it did not bring the same result.
this was a realy neat experiement
 greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 11, 2007, 10:43:50 PM

@ guys in US

I have had my frame spot welded for a while and have been struggling with the issue of the 3/8" pipe.

I was unable to find 3/8" pipe at a reasonable cost (they wanted $100 for 20' length) and had substituted 3/8 rod instead. Now I think I need to look for  pipe again before I weld this thing up...

Where did you guys locate your 3/8" pipe.


-Duff


@ guys in US

Ok - I've found black steel pipe in the US

Lowes has it.

What your looking for is black steel pipe NIPPLE and it is less than $3.00


-Duff

Edit: I forgot. This will provide you with a short piece only. I guess you could couple them together for the full length from the base to apex. They are threaded.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 11, 2007, 10:49:14 PM
after inserting the frame in to the pyramid frame ( no cover jet) and standing inside my metall workshop on top of a table saw with cardboard connecting the neg to the pyramide frame and the positive to ether of the rods the voltage did fluctuate from 0.231V to 0.482V but only at DC setting nothing at AC setting. I also did see a increase of voltage by turning the frame out of the center north line to NNE about 5 degree.

Sounds not bad.  ;)

How much is the voltage difference between maximum and minimum voltage when you turn the pyramid through a range of 90 deg. ?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 11, 2007, 10:50:34 PM
Hi all,
I just tested the pure copper frame with the graphite rods and the bottom filled with saltwater solution. by connecting the neg to outside of copper pipe and pos. to each of the graphite rods the result was 0.456V  and 0.461V. after inserting the frame in to the pyramid frame ( no cover jet) and standing inside my metall workshop on top of a table saw with cardboard connecting the neg to the pyramide frame and the positive to ether of the rods the voltage did fluctuate from 0.231V to 0.482V but only at DC setting nothing at AC setting. I also did see a increase of voltage by turning the frame out of the center north line to NNE about 5 degree. this actually confirme's that the magnetic northpool is about 5 degree West of the geographic northpool, maybe this is also the reason what TT talked a while back and in his video that there was a change by turning the pyramide a bit out of direct north but he did turn the whole pyramide. I try this too but it did not bring the same result.
this was a realy neat experiement
 greetings
walt

Thats good news Walt and my question did you ground the frame to earth ground, this is very important. I will try the same test tonight as mine is covered and ready to go.
Wayne

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 11, 2007, 10:51:10 PM
if I turn the pyramide out of north at abot 30 degree the voltage goes down to 0.0752 to 0.056V
greetings
walt

after inserting the frame in to the pyramid frame ( no cover jet) and standing inside my metall workshop on top of a table saw with cardboard connecting the neg to the pyramide frame and the positive to ether of the rods the voltage did fluctuate from 0.231V to 0.482V but only at DC setting nothing at AC setting. I also did see a increase of voltage by turning the frame out of the center north line to NNE about 5 degree.

Sounds not bad.  ;)

How much is the voltage difference between maximum and minimum voltage when you turn the pyramid through a range of 90 deg. ?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: MT on December 11, 2007, 10:54:00 PM
By coincidence I visited IKEA today and they also sell sands in various colors in flowers department. Colored sands probably not good idea but they have also light grey one that seems not colored. On the sack Made in Egypt funny isn't it? Did not try it yet just bought it to have some options in my pyramide.

Quartzsand is also used in glass industry i'll try to get some of it from a glass factory.

MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 11, 2007, 10:55:34 PM



No I did not ground anythings thats why I had the cardboard between the table ( iron) and the pyramide frame.I did wana find out if the ground to earth is so importand.
I have to find a way to get the pyramide outside my workshop because my big door is blocked and the walk door is only 32 inches where the pyramide does not fit I probably need to install a 36 inch door
greetings
walt

Hi all,
I just tested the pure copper frame with the graphite rods and the bottom filled with saltwater solution. by connecting the neg to outside of copper pipe and pos. to each of the graphite rods the result was 0.456V  and 0.461V. after inserting the frame in to the pyramid frame ( no cover jet) and standing inside my metall workshop on top of a table saw with cardboard connecting the neg to the pyramide frame and the positive to ether of the rods the voltage did fluctuate from 0.231V to 0.482V but only at DC setting nothing at AC setting. I also did see a increase of voltage by turning the frame out of the center north line to NNE about 5 degree. this actually confirme's that the magnetic northpool is about 5 degree West of the geographic northpool, maybe this is also the reason what TT talked a while back and in his video that there was a change by turning the pyramide a bit out of direct north but he did turn the whole pyramide. I try this too but it did not bring the same result.
this was a realy neat experiement
 greetings
walt

Thats good news Walt and my question did you ground the frame to earth ground, this is very important. I will try the same test tonight as mine is covered and ready to go.
Wayne

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 11, 2007, 10:59:15 PM
Walt

You could just run a single wire from frame to your house plug ground, as all panels have earth ground, just a thought!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: helmut on December 11, 2007, 11:41:31 PM
Walt

You could just run a single wire from frame to your house plug ground, as all panels have earth ground, just a thought!

Hi Walt
I remember,that Thomas said,that without Ground,it will not work.
About the Sand: Perhaps Sand for Aquarium is of use.
Good luck
helmut
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 12, 2007, 12:28:37 AM
thanks helmut,
I did wana find out if you actually realy need the ground and it seems to me that it whould also work without how far I dont know but if it works without whould mean any connection with other reason like "earthbattery, or galvanic cell or influence from main power will be eliminated. just wana say I dont have connected any coil and capacitor that will come after I checked out the groundconnection influence.
I wil;l try the ground connection tomorrow
greetings
walt


Walt

You could just run a single wire from frame to your house plug ground, as all panels have earth ground, just a thought!

Hi Walt
I remember,that Thomas said,that without Ground,it will not work.
About the Sand: Perhaps Sand for Aquarium is of use.
Good luck
helmut
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: IndianaBoys on December 12, 2007, 12:45:14 AM
If you have a PetCo in your area, they have a very fine quartz desert sand that they sell in 5 and 10 pound bags.

They use it in their reptile cages:

http://www.petco.com/product/4957/Zoo-Med-Repti-Sand.aspx

Best regards,

IndianaBoys

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tao on December 12, 2007, 04:28:36 AM
If you have a PetCo in your area, they have a very fine quartz desert sand that they sell in 5 and 10 pound bags.

They use it in their reptile cages:

http://www.petco.com/product/4957/Zoo-Med-Repti-Sand.aspx

Best regards,

IndianaBoys


Look what I just bought! LOL...

5 lbs for $10... PURE quartz sand, no additives, and very fine...

Thanks for the heads up IndianaBoys.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 12, 2007, 11:40:15 AM
Hi neptun,
wher you got the info that the whole top of the frame is full of sand to? I could not find it anywhere and if you look closely there are the wire connector where the wire are connected to the rod below the top ( dots)
greetings
walt

message to Walter Hoffman. There is no need to shorten graphite rods. Diagram shows that rods extend inside T pieces [T stuck] at top corners of frame. The whole of the top of the frame is full of sand. Hope this helps. Neptune
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 12, 2007, 11:45:09 AM
Hi all,
here are a tip if you put the graphite rod in to fill it be very carefull and hold it in the right hight and location because after the fill the rod can not be corrected or it will break I had this two times and shake the pipe a bit because if the sand is not realy packed it will compact on the bottom by filling with the salt solution and there will be a gap to the vertical portion where the rods are. oh and close the holes or the sand will run out there had this too.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 12, 2007, 11:47:14 AM
Urgent message to Walter Hoffman. Can you please confirm that with the copper frame inside pyramid frame, you could measure a voltage between one graphite rod and the pyramid frame, with no other connection between the copper frame and the pyramid frame Except for you voltmeter.
      If you can, then this can only mean one thing. The effect is genuine, and we can all work with grater enthusiasm. Pleas confirm[or not]
        Magpower. The graphite rods should touch the sand, they should be totally covered in sand above their tops. The lower ends should be 2mm above the saltwater level. Can someone send him a link to the diagram? My computer skills are pathetic/ laughable.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 12, 2007, 11:51:10 AM
Hi neptun,
wher you got the info that the whole top of the frame is full of sand to? I could not find it anywhere and if you look closely there are the wire connector where the wire are connected to the rod below the top ( dots)
greetings
walt


Look in the white paper for v6.
Here are TT words:

"The energy pick-up tubing must now completely (however loosely!) filled with quartz sand (.g. finest desert sand or filtersand for pools)."

George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 12, 2007, 11:55:48 AM
Hi neptun and all,
yes there is a voltage of 0.231 to 0.482V fast fluctuating DC only. the connection of the DVM is just to the isolated pyramid frame ( negative) and the copper pipe portion which is totally isolated from the pyramide center post ( I left the center pipe standing from the bottom to the top and put the converter frame with the graphite rode ( 5/32 ") on positive, no coils or capacitor on jet. the hight with max output was 220mm top of the frame.
yes there is defenitly something there what has nothing to do with earth or main power.
greetings
walt


Urgent message to Walter Hoffman. Can you please confirm that with the copper frame inside pyramid frame, you could measure a voltage between one graphite rod and the pyramid frame, with no other connection between the copper frame and the pyramid frame Except for you voltmeter.
      If you can, then this can only mean one thing. The effect is genuine, and we can all work with grater enthusiasm. Pleas confirm[or not]
        Magpower. The graphite rods should touch the sand, they should be totally covered in sand above their tops. The lower ends should be 2mm above the saltwater level. Can someone send him a link to the diagram? My computer skills are pathetic/ laughable.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 12, 2007, 12:00:13 PM
hi george
yes the pickup tube he says but he also said further down that the top portion are just there for mechanical reason to fasten and so on.
greetigns
walt

Hi neptun,
wher you got the info that the whole top of the frame is full of sand to? I could not find it anywhere and if you look closely there are the wire connector where the wire are connected to the rod below the top ( dots)
greetings
walt


Look in the white paper for v6.
Here are TT words:

"The energy pick-up tubing must now completely (however loosely!) filled with quartz sand (.g. finest desert sand or filtersand for pools)."

George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 12, 2007, 12:13:20 PM
hi george
yes the pickup tube he says but he also said further down that the top portion are just there for mechanical reason to fasten and so on.
greetigns
walt


Oh, I am sorry Walter I didn't get your question correctly.  I meant just the U pickup tube. not the top portion.

Walter thanks for sharing all the good info with us.  This will inspire a lot of new pyramids to be built. :)

George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 12, 2007, 12:40:21 PM
We now seem to have conflicting info as to just how much sand to put in . I guess it is a case of "try it and see". Walter, here is a small but significant experiment to try. I f your table saw is not fixed to the floor, put some cardboard under it, and put the copper fame inside the frame of the table saw, if it has a metal frame. so now you are using a square[cuboid?] frame instead of a pyramid   . Is the voltage still there? Please let us know. Greetings from Neptune in Frosty England.




Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 12, 2007, 08:40:22 PM
Anyone else have difficulty accessing this site this afternoon, or was it just me? Ordered my base board today. Copper frame complete, capacitor about finished, Angles cut on rods, welding at the weekend. completion sometime next week I hope. :
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 12, 2007, 09:19:43 PM
Hi all,
here are a tip if you put the graphite rod in to fill it be very carefull and hold it in the right hight and location because after the fill the rod can not be corrected or it will break I had this two times and shake the pipe a bit because if the sand is not realy packed it will compact on the bottom by filling with the salt solution and there will be a gap to the vertical portion where the rods are. oh and close the holes or the sand will run out there had this too.
greetings
walt

Walt
Thanks for the tip as last night was wondering what to do, Just to confirm the total U shape is full of sand, then we inject the water/salt solution from top, until we see some sign of it coming out 2mm below the rods, Right?

I took some pics but forgot camera cable so will post soon.

Also I got .4v to .5v levels in D.C. Using A.C did not read nothing. Just rod in beaker with salt solution and meter to ground, the started tried a 9000mfd/ large cap and tried to charge it, could only get to .5volts. With a small 100mfd could not get this. It was very odd how the meter would jump up and down with readings. I did earth ground mine last night so more test tonight with U tube and 2 rods this time.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 12, 2007, 09:20:22 PM
Hi all,
here are a tip if you put the graphite rod in to fill it be very carefull and hold it in the right hight and location because after the fill the rod can not be corrected or it will break I had this two times and shake the pipe a bit because if the sand is not realy packed it will compact on the bottom by filling with the salt solution and there will be a gap to the vertical portion where the rods are. oh and close the holes or the sand will run out there had this too.
greetings
walt

Walt
Thanks for the tip as last night was wondering what to do, Just to confirm the total U shape is full of sand, then we inject the water/salt solution from top, until we see some sign of it coming out 2mm below the rods, Right?

I took some pics but forgot camera cable so will post soon.

Also I got .4v to .5v levels in D.C. Using A.C did not read nothing. Just rod in beaker with salt solution and meter to ground, the started tried a 9000mfd/ large cap and tried to charge it, could only get to .5volts. With a small 100mfd could not get this. It was very odd how the meter would jump up and down with readings. I did earth ground mine last night so more test tonight with U tube and 2 rods this time.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 12, 2007, 09:42:03 PM
Magpower, do not inject salt water at the top. Inject it slowly into the lower drainhole, and stop when it comes out of the other hole.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 12, 2007, 09:54:43 PM
Thanks Neptune

Never saw this anywhere, will do this, so the rods in sand are dry I guess. Will do volt test and see.

Thks
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 12, 2007, 10:29:20 PM
Hi all
do not fill saltsolution from the top to fill you need to use the two holes on the bottom fill in the bit higher one and watch wenn it comes out on the lower one. the upper portion with the graphite rods should be dry.
greetings
walt

Hi all,
here are a tip if you put the graphite rod in to fill it be very carefull and hold it in the right hight and location because after the fill the rod can not be corrected or it will break I had this two times and shake the pipe a bit because if the sand is not realy packed it will compact on the bottom by filling with the salt solution and there will be a gap to the vertical portion where the rods are. oh and close the holes or the sand will run out there had this too.
greetings
walt

Walt
Thanks for the tip as last night was wondering what to do, Just to confirm the total U shape is full of sand, then we inject the water/salt solution from top, until we see some sign of it coming out 2mm below the rods, Right?

I took some pics but forgot camera cable so will post soon.

Also I got .4v to .5v levels in D.C. Using A.C did not read nothing. Just rod in beaker with salt solution and meter to ground, the started tried a 9000mfd/ large cap and tried to charge it, could only get to .5volts. With a small 100mfd could not get this. It was very odd how the meter would jump up and down with readings. I did earth ground mine last night so more test tonight with U tube and 2 rods this time.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 12, 2007, 11:10:55 PM
Hi neptun from frosty england we have 28 degree C here,
my tablesaw has plastic caster is also insulated from the floor and between the cast isorn table and the pyramid frame is thick cardboard another insulation.
I had another expierience I did wana try to adjust one of the rods to fixate it and brook it but I did not realiese it right a way and then I took measurements  and I can tell you the rod was broken about 40 mm from the top and had no connection to the other part of the rod and the DVM still showed the fluctuating Voltage of 0.23 to 0.45V. but the other side rod was perfeckt. I also used a analog Voltmeter to find out if the DVM shows the right value and it did show the same even if it is hard to read with this jumping of the needle
OK maybe somebody ca try something of this and confirme or not
greetings
walt

We now seem to have conflicting info as to just how much sand to put in . I guess it is a case of "try it and see". Walter, here is a small but significant experiment to try. I f your table saw is not fixed to the floor, put some cardboard under it, and put the copper fame inside the frame of the table saw, if it has a metal frame. so now you are using a square[cuboid?] frame instead of a pyramid   . Is the voltage still there? Please let us know. Greetings from Neptune in Frosty England.





Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 12, 2007, 11:13:40 PM
Hi all again,
I forgot to mentioning that all my above results are just with the frame of the pyramide I have not coverd it what I will do tomorrow after fixing the mishap with the rod.
greeitngs
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 12, 2007, 11:14:41 PM
Hi all
I forgot to mention that all my tests are done without covering the pyramide frame.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: MT on December 13, 2007, 09:06:42 AM
Hi neptun from frosty england we have 28 degree C here,
my tablesaw has plastic caster is also insulated from the floor and between the cast isorn table and the pyramid frame is thick cardboard another insulation.
I had another expierience I did wana try to adjust one of the rods to fixate it and brook it but I did not realiese it right a way and then I took measurements  and I can tell you the rod was broken about 40 mm from the top and had no connection to the other part of the rod and the DVM still showed the fluctuating Voltage of 0.23 to 0.45V. but the other side rod was perfeckt. I also used a analog Voltmeter to find out if the DVM shows the right value and it did show the same even if it is hard to read with this jumping of the needle
OK maybe somebody ca try something of this and confirme or not
greetings
walt
Hi
very interesting what you see together with magpower. I'll certainly try it just dont have pyramide yet, still buidling it (doing base with screws need it flexible), problem is time I'm traveling this weekend and will all preparations I cant finished it now. I estimate to get back to building next tuesday  :(
Anyway this could be proof of principle. So you get this fluctuating voltage and if you take that copper frame out of pyramide then voltage effect stops?
Having pyramide I would try to just cut short piece of copper tube close it on one side put sand + salt water and rod. then measure voltage from rod to pyramide frame and try different positions of it within and outside. I would also make photos or better video. But thats what I would do maybe you have better ideas.
If you can please dont go silent I dont know what to expect from internet anymore.
have a nice day,
MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Gustav22 on December 13, 2007, 09:31:44 AM
I have also build a pyramid and a V6 converter.
Unfortunately I can not yet observe a voltage rise when I place the converter in the pyramid.

I connected each graphite rod to the upper end of a coil and then I connected the lower end of each coil to opposite face-plates of the capacitor.

So my converter basically consists of three electrical  units. These are:

- short graphite rod + coil A + capacitor plate A
- long graphite rod + coil B + capacitor plate B
- tubular U-frame

After adding the salt water I read the following values (regardless whether the converter is inside or outside the pyramid):
- capacitor plate A to capacitor plate B: 0.01 V
- capacitor plate (A or B) to tubular U-frame: 0.1 V
The U-frame is always negative. I find this remarkable. Does anyone have similar values?

- capacitor plate A to apacitor plate B: 70 kOhm
- short graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 10 kOhm
- long graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 2 kOhm

I don't know:
- which part of the converter should be grounded (i.e. be attached to the grounded pyramid frame) ?
- which part of the converter should be floating (i.e. be neither connected to ground nor to the load) ?
- which side of the pyramid can best be left open during testing (N, S, E, W) ?
- should the converter be mounted so that the plates of the capacitor face N and S or should they face E and W ?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 13, 2007, 11:20:34 AM
Hi gustav,
like I said I did not have the coils or capacitor connected to the frame . this comes next. maybe you got a short in the capacitor. I would recommend disconnect the coils and the cap and then measure the voltage inside the pyramide and outside and you should see inside the pyramide at the center about 180 to 220mm high insulated from the pyramide a fast fluctuating voltage of about 0.2 to 0.4V the voltmeter connected negative to pyramide frame and pos to ether one of the graphite rods. outside the pyramide there is pretty much nothing max was a had was 0.04V.
the converter should not be groundet at all that one mein issue. I have the u-frame facing north better 5 degree NNE what means the capacitor should face the same.
I would say the south side should be left open for first check but I have not coverd my pyramide fvrame jet and when I cover it I will put hinges on this seite to find out if a totally closed pyramide changes any value. but first I will test all components without a cover.
just check the voltage on the tubular frame to each of the rods tubular negative and ether rod to positive ther should show something like 0.4 to 0.7V.
maybe this helps
greetings
walt


I have also build a pyramid and a V6 converter.
Unfortunately I can not yet observe a voltage rise when I place the converter in the pyramid.

I connected each graphite rod to the upper end of a coil and then I connected the lower end of each coil to opposite face-plates of the capacitor.

So my converter basically consists of three electrical  units. These are:

- short graphite rod + coil A + capacitor plate A
- long graphite rod + coil B + capacitor plate B
- tubular U-frame

After adding the salt water I read the following values (regardless whether the converter is inside or outside the pyramid):
- capacitor plate A to capacitor plate B: 0.01 V
- capacitor plate (A or B) to tubular U-frame: 0.1 V
The U-frame is always negative. I find this remarkable. Does anyone have similar values?

- capacitor plate A to apacitor plate B: 70 kOhm
- short graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 10 kOhm
- long graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 2 kOhm

I don't know:
- which part of the converter should be grounded (i.e. be attached to the grounded pyramid frame) ?
- which part of the converter should be floating (i.e. be neither connected to ground nor to the load) ?
- which side of the pyramid can best be left open during testing (N, S, E, W) ?
- should the converter be mounted so that the plates of the capacitor face N and S or should they face E and W ?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 13, 2007, 11:53:37 AM
Hi all,
did anybody allready try to use one  of the air variable capacitors like the was in the old radios used for tuning ? they come in different values up to 500pF what should be somehow in the range of the copper capacitor.
I dont have one but I will find one and try this I am just courious if somebody has try it jet.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 13, 2007, 12:01:03 PM

Hi neptun from frosty england we have 28 degree C here,
my tablesaw has plastic caster is also insulated from the floor and between the cast isorn table and the pyramid frame is thick cardboard another insulation.
I had another expierience I did wana try to adjust one of the rods to fixate it and brook it but I did not realiese it right a way and then I took measurements  and I can tell you the rod was broken about 40 mm from the top and had no connection to the other part of the rod and the DVM still showed the fluctuating Voltage of 0.23 to 0.45V. but the other side rod was perfeckt. I also used a analog Voltmeter to find out if the DVM shows the right value and it did show the same even if it is hard to read with this jumping of the needle
OK maybe somebody ca try something of this and confirme or not
greetings
walt
Hi
very interesting what you see together with magpower. I'll certainly try it just dont have pyramide yet, still buidling it (doing base with screws need it flexible), problem is time I'm traveling this weekend and will all preparations I cant finished it now. I estimate to get back to building next tuesday  :(
Anyway this could be proof of principle. So you get this fluctuating voltage and if you take that copper frame out of pyramide then voltage effect stops?
Having pyramide I would try to just cut short piece of copper tube close it on one side put sand + salt water and rod. then measure voltage from rod to pyramide frame and try different positions of it within and outside. I would also make photos or better video. But thats what I would do maybe you have better ideas.
If you can please dont go silent I dont know what to expect from internet anymore.
have a nice day,
MT
Hi MT
dont worry I dont go silence on this. But like TT says the graphite rods should not get wet I dont know why but this is what he said.
greetings
walt

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 13, 2007, 04:34:52 PM
I have also build a pyramid and a V6 converter.
Unfortunately I can not yet observe a voltage rise when I place the converter in the pyramid.

I connected each graphite rod to the upper end of a coil and then I connected the lower end of each coil to opposite face-plates of the capacitor.

So my converter basically consists of three electrical  units. These are:

- short graphite rod + coil A + capacitor plate A
- long graphite rod + coil B + capacitor plate B
- tubular U-frame

After adding the salt water I read the following values (regardless whether the converter is inside or outside the pyramid):
- capacitor plate A to capacitor plate B: 0.01 V
- capacitor plate (A or B) to tubular U-frame: 0.1 V
The U-frame is always negative. I find this remarkable. Does anyone have similar values?

- capacitor plate A to apacitor plate B: 70 kOhm
- short graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 10 kOhm
- long graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 2 kOhm

I don't know:
- which part of the converter should be grounded (i.e. be attached to the grounded pyramid frame) ?
- which part of the converter should be floating (i.e. be neither connected to ground nor to the load) ?
- which side of the pyramid can best be left open during testing (N, S, E, W) ?
- should the converter be mounted so that the plates of the capacitor face N and S or should they face E and W ?

Tried to upload pics not yet, this site is getting very hard to talk to lately. Just a thought maybe more to a yahoo group. Got my pickup tubes done with rods and desert sand I used from pet store. Next plates.

Did you use 10 plates to make a capacitor, and this faces the same North - south. This plate or plates I think should be the focal point of your pyramid. I think if it is working right open circuit reading should be very high and with 8 ohm load brings it down to 6 volts or so. I will try once more to post and try pics later.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 13, 2007, 04:35:58 PM
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Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 13, 2007, 04:47:47 PM
Gustav22, do not give up, try the tests Walter describes. Walter, I think you misunderstood what I said about the table saw. what i meant was, hang the converter inside the metal frame of the table saw instead of inside the pyramid. This will test if the effect is due to the shape of the pyramid.Gustav, the orientation of the converter is capacitor central. one side of copper frame east and one side west. I believe wires lead out to the north, and if this is the case, TT has the north face as the door. See pictures on page one of this topic.
    My base board comes tomorrow, welding saturday. Gustave, post yor full specification. Origin and diameter of graphite rods, diameter of copper tube, type of sand, is pyramid frame grounded. More info you send, more help you will get. If we find what dont work, we are nearer to finding what does.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: atlantex on December 13, 2007, 07:08:24 PM
Hi all,

Thomas is back with great news!!!

http://trawoeger-pyramide.info/


there is also a new yahoo group for the TTP project.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pyramide-project


cheers

atlantex
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pontifex on December 13, 2007, 07:08:42 PM
Just in case somebody still needs the pyramid video from Thomas Traw?ger for comparison or detailed study. You can get it in two different formats (wmv and flv):

video format: wmv
size: 63,4MB
duration: 12:15 minutes
Download: http://rapidshare.com/files/76133079/video.zip.html (http://rapidshare.com/files/76133079/video.zip.html)
zip password: tpp_overunity

video format: flv
size: 12,1 MB
duration: 12:17 minutes
Download: http://rapidshare.com/files/76137616/video__flv_.zip.html (http://rapidshare.com/files/76137616/video__flv_.zip.html)
zip password: tpp_overunity

The translation german => english is located here:
http://panaceauniversity.org/D12.pdf (http://panaceauniversity.org/D12.pdf)

P.S.: As most of you already know: The necessity of a permanent magnet was a deception trick!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 13, 2007, 07:35:21 PM
Thanks, I can't load pics here, so at other place, meet there
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 13, 2007, 07:39:56 PM
Hi Guys,
Let's wait a little bit, because Tom is coming back sooner !
It looks like there are some missing infos in V6 or maybe we all of us didn't understand properly V6.
Better to wait for V12 documentation, because as Tom said many times , it will be complete of examples, experimental data., if i'm not wrong in understanding what he said!
Cheers,
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 13, 2007, 07:46:57 PM
Hello Tigrotto
Where have u been ? I hoping that u could have contributed during this quite time. Are u still working the PP project or waiting on Mr. T ?
I for one feel that there is enough information to complete the basic project, which a few have done.
Congrats to them  ;)

Looking forward to your reply?

Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pontifex on December 13, 2007, 07:56:48 PM
Hi Tigrotto,

I don't understand your strange behaviour. During the absence of Thomas you were here, every single day (this is checked) without saying a word, just silently reading. Now just at that moment Thomas returns you want to tell us what to do??

Pontifex  >:(
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 13, 2007, 08:01:20 PM
Good Point Pontitex
WTF?
You just said it better than I did
Hmmmm.... Was here and did not say Sh*t ?

Could say more, but what's the point.

B.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: helmut on December 13, 2007, 08:06:23 PM
Hi all,

Thomas is back with great news!!!

http://trawoeger-pyramide.info/


there is also a new yahoo group for the TTP project.

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pyramide-project


cheers

atlantex

At least : good news

Otherwhise he discribes in his Guestbook a story ,sounds like Nightmare.
That he retourns is a proof,that he is a brave Guy.
 With luck all Replikatioins will give out some current till Xmas.
helmut
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 13, 2007, 08:07:35 PM
Magpower, I notice there is a big difference between the resistance between short graphite rod to copper tube, and long rod to tube. This suggests to me a possible break in the short rod. Others have had this problem without realising it.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 13, 2007, 08:37:34 PM

I am closing the gap - frame together, painted and gypsum going on now.

Last night I cut my copper tubing tomorrow I will start on my capacitors.


Thomas is inspiring and is setting the mark high for us to live up to...


I only wish I knew the full history of this device. It's hard to make intelligent construction decisions without it.


-Duff


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 13, 2007, 09:03:11 PM
Magpower, I notice there is a big difference between the resistance between short graphite rod to copper tube, and long rod to tube. This suggests to me a possible break in the short rod. Others have had this problem without realising it.

Each of my rods 90mm and 95mm measured approx 20 ohms, end to end, carefull not to break. And don't touch either. Now you connect 1 wire to each end and insert into tube, put sand around rod to hold in place, don't move it or will break. Now with ohm meter with one on tube and the other on wire you should have 0 ohms, or open circuit. I will post a pic later. But this is how I see it and no expert, just trying to steer the ship.

Once in tube its really hard to know if its broke, I did break 2 rods already,this step is tricky, the rest we see.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 13, 2007, 09:03:25 PM
Magpower, I notice there is a big difference between the resistance between short graphite rod to copper tube, and long rod to tube. This suggests to me a possible break in the short rod. Others have had this problem without realising it.

Each of my rods 90mm and 95mm measured approx 20 ohms, end to end, carefull not to break. And don't touch either. Now you connect 1 wire to each end and insert into tube, put sand around rod to hold in place, don't move it or will break. Now with ohm meter with one on tube and the other on wire you should have 0 ohms, or open circuit. I will post a pic later. But this is how I see it and no expert, just trying to steer the ship.

Once in tube its really hard to know if its broke, I did break 2 rods already,this step is tricky, the rest we see.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 13, 2007, 09:34:23 PM
@ Pontifex,
Thankss for your constructive critics about me !
The reason why I was" a little bit strange" was this:
1. I understood that something is missing from v6 description, so that, there was not use to waste time to go ahead trying to reinvent Thomas's invention. Maybe i'm, wrong so that,
2. Should Thomas said all about V6, that means however something is going wrong, none of us managing to obtain more than...0.5V!!! Again, there are terms subjected to various interpretation, proving that the V6 description wasn't exhaustive.
These are true facts , not my interpretation!
This is why I preffered  to " wait and see" instead of complicate again the things!!!!
I told you about 1 month ago , like many of us, I'm an engineer, a physicist Dr. and i understood what it could be understandable; beyond this, the simple assumptions are not science, but fantasy!
Again, this is why I was silent!
Hope this helps ( at least for those to whom it may be of concern!)
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 13, 2007, 10:28:39 PM
I'll certainly try it just dont have pyramide yet, still buidling it (doing base with screws need it flexible)

I'm also busy at the moment building the frame, also without welding, but with screws.
I have also developed a good method to mount the side tubes with screws, although there are some odd angles. 

If someone is interested, i can post this in a separate thread (with photos).  :)

Hope to finish the frame at the weekend, then i will start making the other parts.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: IndianaBoys on December 14, 2007, 04:12:38 AM
If you have a PetCo in your area, they have a very fine quartz desert sand that they sell in 5 and 10 pound bags.

They use it in their reptile cages:

http://www.petco.com/product/4957/Zoo-Med-Repti-Sand.aspx

Best regards,

IndianaBoys


Look what I just bought! LOL...

5 lbs for $10... PURE quartz sand, no additives, and very fine...

Thanks for the heads up IndianaBoys.

Tao,

Glad you found it useful.

You might also consider experimenting with this product:

     Borosilicate Ceramic

Replace the fine quartz sand in the copper pipes with the borosilicate ceramic.

Also can be added to paint and create a coating that should really amp up the available power.

Apply this to the inside of your pyramid (drywall).

     http://www.heatshield-r20.com/howitworks.html

Best regards,

IndianaBoys
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: atlantex on December 14, 2007, 09:24:00 AM
Hello,

Quote
Hi folks,

just to remember, here is the yahoo group for Thomas's and our project.

A lot of people are already registered and I think it's good to have an alternative, just in the case that overunity.com is unreachable, like the last days.


http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pyramide-project


@Thomas, you can have everytime the whole control over these group, no problem.

sky


There are also a new statement from Thomas.


atlantex
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: passion1 on December 14, 2007, 10:00:03 AM

I'm also busy at the moment building the frame, also without welding, but with screws.
I have also developed a good method to mount the side tubes with screws, although there are some odd angles. 

If someone is interested, i can post this in a separate thread (with photos).  :)
Skywatcher

I am also starting on my frame this weekend and the welding (if necessary) is going to be my biggest headache, so please post your pictures!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 14, 2007, 11:40:49 AM
hI ALL,
i DID ANOTHER QUICK TEST I had one broken rod and had not replaced it but I set the open U-frame with one rod in , inside the pyramide and connected the DVM and watch it the DVM started with 0.05V but run up pretty fast to 0.43V. I also did the same outside the frame nothing just 0.05V no fluctuation even after 1 hour not more. I believe it shows that without any load in this case it was the DVM there is no voltage. I will try the same setup with my special build tester what has switched resistors of different values and a DVM for voltage and also a amp meter just to see if anythings changes with different load and if there is any current at all.
I also was wondering whats happen with the voltage it was just 0.23V and then I reliesed that I had a couple pieces of aluminum laminated styrofoam insulation boards laying inside the pyramide frame and as I took them out the voltage did go up and fluctuated again. I expirienced a change in voltage just by going in to adjust the U_frame with my hand.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 14, 2007, 11:52:06 AM
Walter
In my brief tests on my first unit I also noticed what you are noting. I also saw a increase in E when i touch the frame of the pyramid even though it was earth grounded. I figured that it must have been static charge.
BTW what kind of lights do u have in your work area? This could be a contribution to the charge that U are noting.

Thanks for posting your data and observations

Regards
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 14, 2007, 11:56:07 AM
Bill,
I have flouresence light but they are off all the time if I test and my pyramide frame is not grounded to avoid any influence from the main power. I also have it standing right now in a metal building and I will bring it outside on the week end to see whats happen there if there is any changes at all and also grounding it with a totally seperate grounding rod 8 feet.
greeitngs
walt

Walter
In my brief tests on my first unit I also noticed what you are noting. I also saw a increase in E when i touch the frame of the pyramid even though it was earth grounded. I figured that it must have been static charge.
BTW what kind of lights do u have in your work area? This could be a contribution to the charge that U are noting.

Thanks for posting your data and observations

Regards
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 14, 2007, 12:00:15 PM
Hi Walter
Excellent, look forward to your results of the outdoor tests.
Tell Then.
Thanks
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 14, 2007, 12:22:53 PM
Tigrotto, welcome back. Walt, did you understand table saw experiment, and did you have time to try it? Anybody else notice that In TT s time schedule for building V12 he mentions capacitors, but not copper tube, or coils or graphite. Must be much simpler then?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 14, 2007, 12:28:58 PM
Hi Walter,
Excellent job.   Have you covered the frame yet?

All,
I don't know if you remember my battery charging test.  On December 9 I put AA NiMH battery I found in my garage.  Initial test shows .045V then I used piece of duct tape and hang the battery inside the pyramid. Pyramid is covered but not grounded and I kept 4th wall closed as well.  I am about to quit the test as I need to put collector inside.
here are the results:
 
9-Dec   8:00am   0.45      
9-Dec   2:00pm   0.505      
10-Dec   6:00pm   0.538      
10-Dec   12:00am   0.543      
11-Dec   6:00am   0.546      
11-Dec   6:00pm   0.55   
12-Dec   6:00am   0.556      
12-Dec   6:00pm   0.559      
13-Dec   6:00am   0.563      
14-Dec   6:00am   0.567   

There are no significant changes but it clearly proves that something is going on inside.
So please,  keep building/testing and post some results!

George


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 14, 2007, 12:29:38 PM
Hi Walter,
Excellent job.   Have you covered the frame yet?

All,
I don't know if you remember my battery charging test. .....................


...for some unknown reason, the previous message was posted twice. to save the space I deleted the contents of the second one.
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 14, 2007, 12:53:20 PM
georgemay, interesting results on the battery test. Not life changeing, but may be significant none the less.At some point, I will do similar tests with other cells, zinc- carbon, nicad, lead acid etc, and also electrolytic caps. It would be interesting to attach a metal plate to each and of the cell, a sort of cap, and see what results.I think Walter is very close to a big breakthrough when he gets his frame covered.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Nutcracker on December 14, 2007, 06:11:52 PM
Hi Walter,
Excellent job.   Have you covered the frame yet?

All,
I don't know if you remember my battery charging test.  On December 9 I put AA NiMH battery I found in my garage.  Initial test shows .045V then I used piece of duct tape and hang the battery inside the pyramid. Pyramid is covered but not grounded and I kept 4th wall closed as well.  I am about to quit the test as I need to put collector inside.
here are the results:
 
9-Dec   8:00am   0.45     
9-Dec   2:00pm   0.505     
10-Dec   6:00pm   0.538     
10-Dec   12:00am   0.543     
11-Dec   6:00am   0.546     
11-Dec   6:00pm   0.55   
12-Dec   6:00am   0.556     
12-Dec   6:00pm   0.559     
13-Dec   6:00am   0.563     
14-Dec   6:00am   0.567   

There are no significant changes but it clearly proves that something is going on inside.
So please,  keep building/testing and post some results!

George



@George
When you take the battery out of the pyramid, please hang it somewhere else with the same duct tape and measure it for another week.  (a kind of control measurement)  Would be interesting to see what happens to it.

@All
You may have already known this, but I just realized it.  Covering the pyramid with wallboard (containing gypsum) is very similar to the original pyramids where they finished the outside with limestone.  (gypsum and limestone are similar but not exact) Just starting to make the connection.

Nut
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 14, 2007, 06:59:54 PM
Hello people...
Anyone here has tryed to put the wet sandquartz into the center of the pyramid?.I have repeated the experiment...and it works again.
I'm trying to get a digital multimeter to get precise measurements,because my analog one dont show the detailed numbers.Actually  with wet sand and graphite electrodes, not exposed to the pyramid,dont show voltage reading on the instrument.If I do the same measurements with the wet sand exposed with the center of the pyramid,I got voltage reading.The voltage augments if I remove the graphite electrodes,and immerse the probes directly in the wet sand!.I want to get some pics of this stuff to show here.I used a little old  pyramid made of aluminium pipes.The sand was wetted with tapwater (it is conductive...) Time exposition 24 hours.
The "battery" gets very fast polarization but seems to recharge leaving it alone for some minutes.What happening?.I dont expected tys type of result with aluminium;it was just for a simple experiment......

Coming soon....

Regards,
Cyrano.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 14, 2007, 08:53:13 PM
@ Neptune

Is the V 12 doc or information on this site?
Maybe it could be posted to the Yahoo group files section for reference. I would do it myself,but do not have the complete doc.

@ Dr. Tigrotto & Group - Sorry about the the abusive wording, please accept my apology. I was out of place for posting that.
I would be curious to what branch of physic's U are working in. I minored in Astro Physic's while working my first Geology degree. Later went on to acquired a degree in Mechanical Engineering. Its funny that even with a bit of academia I still feel like a neophyte when it come to this subject
We need folks like u here to help work this tech.

Best regards
Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 14, 2007, 08:56:54 PM

I'm also busy at the moment building the frame, also without welding, but with screws.
I have also developed a good method to mount the side tubes with screws, although there are some odd angles. 

If someone is interested, i can post this in a separate thread (with photos).  :)
Skywatcher

I am also starting on my frame this weekend and the welding (if necessary) is going to be my biggest headache, so please post your pictures!


Here they are:  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3753.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3753.0.html)    ;D
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 14, 2007, 09:31:53 PM
@Vipond50, As you know we have only part of the V12 info. I agree it should be posted on the Yahoo group site, but I personally do not have the necessary skills. Could anyone oblige please.
@all. sometimes on forums guys exchange heated words. I hope no one is offended, and anyway this is a sign of passion, which drives us in all we do. I may have said this before, but it culd be vital . Specification of V6 says the coils on the copper frame shuld have a Diameter of 25mm. This suggests some kind of former between the copper tube and coil. I have now cut all plates for the main capacitor. I am thinking of using plastic dielectric. Frame welding tomorrow hopefully.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 14, 2007, 10:12:45 PM
@George
When you take the battery out of the pyramid, please hang it somewhere else with the same duct tape and measure it for another week.  (a kind of control measurement)  Would be interesting to see what happens to it.

@Nut,
Thanks for the suggestion.  I will certainly do that and report back in a few days with results.  Will try to hang it at the same direction (North + ; South -) but few meters away from pyramid.
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tak22 on December 14, 2007, 11:39:48 PM
@Tigrotto

 >:( Please stop antagonizing Thomas on his own website!  >:(

He said he'd have V12 specs for us in a few days, so please at least wait until they arrive before pushing his buttons about V6, costs, etc.

There's a lot of us out here trying to be courteous, please don't mess up our opportunity!

tak
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Moab on December 15, 2007, 01:20:59 AM


 >:(Yeah! >:(
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 15, 2007, 12:00:14 PM
Hi cyrano,
something must be wrong at your setup because if I put wetsand ( what should not be in the pyramide setup) then you should see at least 0.4V measured graphite rod to copper tube because that works as galvanic cell. I also got 0.4 to 0.5V with dry sand and the electrode against the copper tube.
greetings
walt

Hello people...
Anyone here has tryed to put the wet sandquartz into the center of the pyramid?.I have repeated the experiment...and it works again.
I'm trying to get a digital multimeter to get precise measurements,because my analog one dont show the detailed numbers.Actually  with wet sand and graphite electrodes, not exposed to the pyramid,dont show voltage reading on the instrument.If I do the same measurements with the wet sand exposed with the center of the pyramid,I got voltage reading.The voltage augments if I remove the graphite electrodes,and immerse the probes directly in the wet sand!.I want to get some pics of this stuff to show here.I used a little old  pyramid made of aluminium pipes.The sand was wetted with tapwater (it is conductive...) Time exposition 24 hours.
The "battery" gets very fast polarization but seems to recharge leaving it alone for some minutes.What happening?.I dont expected tys type of result with aluminium;it was just for a simple experiment......

Coming soon....

Regards,
Cyrano.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 15, 2007, 12:18:24 PM
Hi Walt. I think that Cyrano is measuring the voltage between 2 graphite rods in a vessel of sand,and I am not sure that copper is mentioned, or involved. If this is correct, this is a different ball game, and as I understand it a galvanic cell needs 2 differerent substances to act as electrodes. so if the experiment of Cyrano[pegassus] is repeatable, with voltage inside pyramid but not outside, then, without doubt, we have actual proof of something weird and measurable happening inside the pyramid.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Schpankme on December 15, 2007, 12:21:04 PM
I've been following this thread very closely and it's very impressive to read that ALL of you are getting 25% the power-out, one gets by sticking a copper pipe into the earth.  Maybe you just need to increase the size of your Pyramid's by four x4.

- Schpankme
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 15, 2007, 03:16:18 PM
@Walter,

I made my experiment simply putting some quartz sand in a glass cup,and exposing it to the "energy"of.the center of the pyramid.The pyramid used is made by aluminium pipes,it is in scale with the great pyramid of Giza,and has no walls,just the skeleton of the shape.Also it is little;its heigth is less 20 centimeters.
After 24 hours I take the  vessel out of the pyramid,and I add some tapwater to just wet the sand.I add the two electrodes of graphite(with different length) and I measure voltage.I take the measurements outside the pyramid,not inside.There is no copper in the vessel,only two graphite rods,quartzsand,and some tapwater;its clear?.If I remove the electrodes and I insert the probes of the voltmeter,DIRECTLY in the wet sand exposed to the pyramid,I got voltage.This phenomenon  resemble piezoelectricty,but I'm not sure,because I havent take measurements with the same sand -not- wetted.In these experiments .If I use sand not exposed to the energy of the pyramid,I get pratically NOTHING,no voltage, in every mentioned cases.
I have to add that the "battery" created, get fast polarization,but if I leave it undisturbed for some minutes,the voltage returns to its original level.I noticed that after the exposition,I can take positive measurements from the wet quartz,for about two days,and then the phenomenon stops.The voltage I got is less 2 Volts.I will send some pics of my experiments,and if I have time I will send also the wav of the possible vibration coming from the quartz exposed to the pyramid energy.I will get it conecting the voltage of the quartz to some amplifier.
Now I ask to people that have the possibility to repeat the experiment into their pyramids,made of aluminium or not,to see if they get some results.It is higly appreciated that some people with academic knowledge will give me an explanation of the phenomenon.If it is piezoelectricity,were is the source of the mechanical excitation of the quartz?My voice,the noise around me?NO, because I tried the same experiments with the sand NOT exposed to the energy of the pyramid,and it -doesnt- work.
I HOPE IT IS CLEAR NOW.

Regards,
Cyrano
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: jrader on December 15, 2007, 04:11:22 PM
this may be of interest i dont know,i took a flat carpenters pencil,and a roofing nail,mixed a solution of white vinegar and regular bleach,put them in the solution ,got over 2 volts,then i burnt the copper off a penny to get to the zink,zink as neg , carpenters pencil as pos ,in the solution of reg.bleach,mixed with white vinegar got better than a volt and half,oh i added salt to the solut also. got voltage in just plain water also but not as much.kept the probs on for a while,volts slowly rised,well thats about it .
                                                                                        jrader
                                                                     
                                                                             
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 15, 2007, 05:16:58 PM
Hi jrader. I find your experiments very interesting. what you have created is a cell. whilst these cells are useful, they have the snag that the chemicals get used up. This is not quite the effect we seek with the pramid. we are looking for everlasting free energy. Ten out of ten for effort!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: jrader on December 15, 2007, 05:31:36 PM
a cell true,but also ac voltage accured, isent sand ,
salt water carbon copper a cell lol ty.
            jrader
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 15, 2007, 06:23:59 PM

@Thomas

In the description that you are rewriting would you please tell us the following:

Are the dimensions of the energy pickup unit critical?

How much tolerance is allowed on the dimensions?


-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pontifex on December 15, 2007, 07:45:03 PM
Hi Duff,

if you check this file: "skizze2_converterV6.pdf" from this place: http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pyramide-project/files/V6
you will figure out that it shows "ca. 100mm" which translates to
"approx. 100mm". I think this will answer your question.

I still don't know what is all this impatience about replicating V6.
(see eager tigrottos posting here: http://trawoeger-pyramide.info)
As I understand Thomas it was not intended to make the group replicate V6.

Thomas had to decide between V12 and V14. But V14 turned out not to run very stable so Thomas decided that we replicate V12. As the frame for V6 and V12 are the same and there were some interrupts in information flow some people started replicating V6 as this was the only information available.
Now that Thomas prepares everything for the rest of replicating V12 I doubt he invests much time in supporting V6 replication attempts at the moment.

Just my 2 cents, Pontifex
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 15, 2007, 08:07:30 PM
@Duff. To do research, people need PASSION. It is a bit like . If you want it, you want it now, not next month[ hope that did not offend anybody.] So who can blame anyone having a go at v6.As you say they can always covert to v12 as info is released. My welder man has not yet finished, maybe Monday.The very first thing I want to try is the Pegasus "cup of sand" experiment because I feel this is the most significant thing so far. Also some of us are too old to want to wait forever.
                 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 15, 2007, 08:47:48 PM

@Thomas

In the description that you are rewriting would you please tell us the following:

Are the dimensions of the energy pickup unit critical?

How much tolerance is allowed on the dimensions?


-Duff
Muss "das Ding" so unpraktisch gebaut sein ?
Kann man die 2 T St?cke nicht um 45 Grad drehen, sodass man die Grafit-St?be von oben einsetzen kann ?.
So kann man einfach das Ger?t ?ndern . Sand austauschen und mehr.
Ich hasse unn?tige Arbeit , deswegen kommen mir "solche" Ideen.
----
Must " the device " be built so impractical? Can one not turn 2 of pieces   T-angles about 45 degrees, so that both can use the graphite sticks from above?.
Thus one can simply change the device Grafit ..as. Sand exchange and more.
I hate unnecessary work, so "such" ideas come to me, to save my working time against "thinking over that works

Gustav Pese

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: jeanna on December 15, 2007, 09:10:40 PM
.The very first thing I want to try is the Pegasus "cup of sand" experiment because I feel this is the most significant thing so far. Also some of us are too old to want to wait forever.
                 

Hi guys,
Yes, Neptune this is where I will begin also.

 I have been making pyramids for 13 years.
Not having machinist skills, I have found that the easiest way is to make the triangle form first then check for symmetry then put the 4 triangles together. I have only used the gisa model. Since I have one of these already built I will begin by making the control with the glass of sand and 2 carpenters pencils inside and outside of this one.

 I will be continuing to make more as I gather the materials.


Is the gypsum really an important part of the TT invention? What would the CaSO4 be doing to the charges? I have some foam board I bought to make my next pyramid and never got to making it. Wouldn't that work as well as Gypsum for this? Maybe it will be too hard to attach the copper around the perimeter if it is foam. I will see. Maybe some copper sluggo tape around the edge will work.

 I was reading this thread until 1:40 last night just to keep up. Great work great ideas everybody!

It makes me  :D to be experimenting with pyramids again!

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 15, 2007, 09:37:35 PM
@jeanna. The simple answer is that we do not yet know if other types of board will work. Thomas Trawoeger says that it is very important, and that he tried metals and wood with negative results. I plan to use gypsum as I want to replicate TTs design as closely as possible. However, Pegasus did his experiment with a 20cm tall pyramid with an aluminium tube frame and no board covering. I would say, whatever you try, record it and post results, positive or negative.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 15, 2007, 10:48:11 PM
@Neptune and All
I hope is clear that posting my "cup of sand"experiment" I'm not saying that aluminium can work insthead of iron in the Trawoeger pyramid..I have just posted and experiment I did, whaiting the renmant instructions from Thomas.

Regards,
Cyrano

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: 2toxic4u on December 15, 2007, 11:29:38 PM

Hi,

It would be nice if people showed a picture of their experiments or maybe even a video?

http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d81/emibre/?action=view&current=Earthpower.flv

Best wishes
2toxic4u
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Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: jeanna on December 16, 2007, 05:02:51 AM

Hi,

It would be nice if people showed a picture of their experiments or maybe even a video?

http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d81/emibre/?action=view&current=Earthpower.flv

Best wishes
2toxic4u
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great job 2toxic4u!

I assume you posted that video for the folks on the earth battery thread. I don't see it, but my eyes are too blurred from reading this thread for so long yesterday.

If you didn't please do . Those folks would LOVE to see it.

here's the thread

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3500.0.html

Im outta here. I'm gonna put on blinders and listen to ...

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 16, 2007, 06:24:30 AM
@ 2toxic4u:

Nice video!  Off topic for here but I was able to get 1.7 vdc on 2 electrodes 5 feet apart and can already run 1 led for as long as I want to. I also got 2.8 vac but I am not sure what to make of that as yet.  Come over to the earth battery experiments topic and put a link to your video.  I think we can all help each other.  I am not an electronics expert but, leds are polarity sensitive as they are diodes.  (the "D" in led)  I like how you wired them in series, I have not be able to do that with any success yet.  Please post with us over there.  Thanks.

Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: 2toxic4u on December 16, 2007, 06:36:56 AM

Hello Jeanna and Pirate88179,

I joined overunity.com because of the Pyramid business and am a really busy guy, so I haven't even had enough time to browse through all the topics here. I didn't know there was an earth battery topic here too.
I'll post the video there too.

I posted the video here because I do think that its related a bit to our pyramid experiment. (just my opinion).

You see I think that because the earth has a negative polarity and the heavens have a positive polarity that this is where the pyramid gets the electricity just like the earth battery in my video. Put a pyramid around the earth battery in the video and you might boost the output. So after thinking about this I thought the video should be shown here.

Best regards
2toxic4u
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Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 16, 2007, 07:04:00 AM
@ 2toxic4u:

I have said it over in the earth battery topic and I will say it again here.....I believe that a lot of topics on here are all tied together in some way we do not yet understand....Dr. Stiffler's resonant circuit, the earth batteries, The tpu and the pyramid experiments....all of them as well as a few others. I believe that we are all working toward the same goal and that, the different paths lead to a single destination.  I also believe, from my reading, that the pyramid is a "lens" of somekind that will "focus" energy.  What energy?  Where does it come from?  Who knows but I really enjoy the attitudes and enthusiasm of the posters on this forum.  If anyone can find out the answers, it will be someone, or some people on here.

Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 16, 2007, 09:43:23 AM
Hi Cyrano,
Here are a short form  checking list on what you really did with your " magic quartz battery".
If you'll take two minutes in answering these questions, I'll have a good starting point in replicating and going ahead in understanding what really happens inside of pyramid.
As I told you, i'm Phys.Dr. and I understand something but...not all.
The list is this:
1. Your little Pyramyd is oriented N-S as that of Thomas? What kind of orientation did you tried in your experiment?
2. Did you do these experiment intoyour room, on balcony or in garden, out of walls?
3. 24 hours quartzsand treatment inside the pyramid: in a non-conductive glass recipe ?
4. The center of the glass where did you positioned inside the pyramid?
5. What kind of quartz?
6. Excuse my english: what means EXACTLY tapwater: saltwater ???
7. What is the distance between the two graphyte rods? How many millimeters?
8. The Graphyte(90mm)- Graphyte(95mm) -quartzsand - tapwater experiment: What  voltage did you get? For how long?
9. The metallic two electrodes experiment : What is the distance between them? How deeply did you insert them into sand ? What was the voltage, for how long?
10. Important: OK simmetry , but... did you oriented the axis of the two electrodes on N-S direction ?
11. The last one: did you meansed electrical resistance between your two metallic electrodes when inserted in sand?
Thanks,
And I promissed you that if you'll give me all the replays I'll try to give you a possible explanations (If possible!)
Dr. Ovidiu
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 16, 2007, 11:45:57 AM
Hi cyrano,
my mistake I got it now and I will try this too lets see what's coming out at my side.
greetings
walt

@Walter,

I made my experiment simply putting some quartz sand in a glass cup,and exposing it to the "energy"of.the center of the pyramid.The pyramid used is made by aluminium pipes,it is in scale with the great pyramid of Giza,and has no walls,just the skeleton of the shape.Also it is little;its heigth is less 20 centimeters.
After 24 hours I take the  vessel out of the pyramid,and I add some tapwater to just wet the sand.I add the two electrodes of graphite(with different length) and I measure voltage.I take the measurements outside the pyramid,not inside.There is no copper in the vessel,only two graphite rods,quartzsand,and some tapwater;its clear?.If I remove the electrodes and I insert the probes of the voltmeter,DIRECTLY in the wet sand exposed to the pyramid,I got voltage.This phenomenon  resemble piezoelectricty,but I'm not sure,because I havent take measurements with the same sand -not- wetted.In these experiments .If I use sand not exposed to the energy of the pyramid,I get pratically NOTHING,no voltage, in every mentioned cases.
I have to add that the "battery" created, get fast polarization,but if I leave it undisturbed for some minutes,the voltage returns to its original level.I noticed that after the exposition,I can take positive measurements from the wet quartz,for about two days,and then the phenomenon stops.The voltage I got is less 2 Volts.I will send some pics of my experiments,and if I have time I will send also the wav of the possible vibration coming from the quartz exposed to the pyramid energy.I will get it conecting the voltage of the quartz to some amplifier.
Now I ask to people that have the possibility to repeat the experiment into their pyramids,made of aluminium or not,to see if they get some results.It is higly appreciated that some people with academic knowledge will give me an explanation of the phenomenon.If it is piezoelectricity,were is the source of the mechanical excitation of the quartz?My voice,the noise around me?NO, because I tried the same experiments with the sand NOT exposed to the energy of the pyramid,and it -doesnt- work.
I HOPE IT IS CLEAR NOW.

Regards,
Cyrano

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Gustav22 on December 16, 2007, 12:19:24 PM
Hi Cyrano,

I also have a question regarding your experiment.
When you use the pyramid-treated quartz sand and you measure a voltage accross the two graphite rods:
Does the longer rod always have  the pos. potential (and the shorter rod always the neg. potential)
or is it always the other way round
or does this change (i.e the long rod has sometimes pos. and sometimes neg. potential)

Thanks
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 16, 2007, 12:29:02 PM
@Tigrotto
 Here follow my answers to your questions:

1) Yes my pyramid is oriented with North-South poles like the Thomas one.
2) I made this experiment inside a room near window,sitting the pyramid on the marble.
3) The containeir is a pyrex becker.
4) The focus of the pyramid act also on the sand trougth the glass vessel..
5) The quartz I use come from an aquarium shop.Its white and has a granulation of 04/08,the same requested by Thomas.
6) As tapwater  I mean the water taken from the faucet of my home.It contain some chlorine and its conductive,of course.
7) The distance is not important;it work always.
8)The voltage I got is less 2 volts.I cannot say the exact numbers because my analog multimeter dont show it.I'm whaiting a new      professional digital model. The time of duration is about 30 seconds.Seems the quartz is acting like when you discharge a capacitor.
9) As electrodes in my description I always mean the graphite rods.As metallic there are only the probe pointers,when I insert it.
Dont worry about the distance,deepnes,etc.:you will always get voltage
10) The axis of the electrodes are not oriented.
11) Yes there is electrucal resistance between the two electrodes immersed in the sand.

My explanation is:The source of excitation of the quartz is radiant enegy as Tesla called it.I'm familiar with these things so I not conducted the experiment deeply,because I'm not interested and I have little time.My goal is to get many many amperes.The keys of the multiplication of the energy are others.I want to suggest to put crushed limestone with the sand quartz and put it inside the pyramid and measure the power.One key is to compress the energy. 

Regards,
Cyrano
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 16, 2007, 12:29:39 PM
@Gustav.
Yes the longer rod have always the positive potential on the multimeter.Only one time it changed,but I think that was a measurement error.

Regards,
Cyrano
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 16, 2007, 01:25:52 PM
I am a bit frustrated because I am still waiting for welder man. So all I have today is a collection of parts. I find it strange that the length of the rods determines polarity. Perhaps there is an ideal RATIO in the rod lengths, and this may possibly effect the voltage.
@pegasus. You say the rods are not orientated. Experimentation may show that it works better if they are. My guess is that it might work better with thick rods[lower internal resistance of the device] All these things and more I will be trying soon. Another vital thing needs to be tried here. We are told. Voltage inside pyramid and no voltage out side. Big question. What happens inside a metal frame that is NOT pyramid shape? { cube, cuboid, other]  No need to build a square frame, improvise, use a metal bench frame etc. or even inside microwave oven[not switched on!] Please post all results, pos or neg. A few days now I will be doing my own experiments.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 16, 2007, 02:41:36 PM
@Pegasus,
thanks, very accurate in answers. But ar estill missing these:
1. You said you got continuously these 2Volts : for 24 hours if I'm not wrong? When the setup was still under pyramid?
2. You didn't replay to these question: What actually was the resistance between the two metallic electrods? InOhms.
Example : Supposing you'll have 2ohms as resistance and 2V as voltage. That means that you could obtain ideally about 2Watts! not bad at all !
3. Another strange fact you didn't mention sufficiently: You said : the longer graphite rod was the (+).
OK, but what about the two metallic electrodes when penetrating sand? Which of them are (+), which are (-)???
4. Now the last one strange experiment I suggest you: when the setup is under pyramid, measure the voltage from one of the two graphite rods and Ground!
Waiting for your replay, I remain.
The next step will be the energy concentration!
tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 16, 2007, 03:26:33 PM
@Tigrotto

The phenomenon continues for about 24 hours OUTSIDE THE PYRAMID.
I got my voltage outside the pyramid,this is the very strange fact,that let me to suppose that the pyramid focus some form of radiant energy on the quartzsand.
R.E, is similar to radioactivity.I suggest to you to study this topic if you want to understand what I mean.
I will post all the measurements when I will receive my new multimeter,and please dont insist anymore.I have to focus myself on the finishing of my T.T. pyramid,and I suggest to you to do the same,because  Thomas has homitted NOTHING from his explanations and he give already all the specs to replicate the free energy.You have only to do it properly..I'm not here to reinvent the V6,but only to advert people tha something strange is happening in the pyramid with the quartz:i have said that I will post the pics and the waw of the vibration.What do you want more? A video?..Qien sabe? .


Regards,
Cyrano
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 16, 2007, 04:02:37 PM
@Pegasus,
What i'll say in the following are not critics, but only science, basic, not advanced science!

24 hours 2V means absolutely nothing if you don't measure also the electrical resistance !!!
24 hours on what resistance??? Resistance = infinite means power nothing!!!!!
Are you so kind as to measure the electrical resistance ? 2V measured continuously with a voltmeter means A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN NOTHING!!!  Why? Because the resistance of the voltmeter is about infinite so that the power you "think" you got is about ZERO Watt!!!!
Should you connect your electrodes on a finite resistor example :2 ohms, then try to measure for how long you'll get these2Volts!!!!!!
If you think I said here stupid things, you're wrong. There are guys here understanding some more about simple electric circuits ! these are basics!!!
I'm a non-skeptic scientist and some guys here know this!
If you ignore my above words, you're wrong! Measuring power means a finite resistance and a finite voltage across it , and a certain duration of this experiment!

2. What I suggest you is this : after 24 hours in pyramid, put a 2 ohm resistance across your battery and measure the voltage ( again, only under pyramid) . how long will last this 2V ???
This is the UNIQUE WAY TO DECLARE YOU GOT POWER!!!!!!


3. How could you be so sure V6 documentation is complete? ONLY if you followed religiously Thomas indications you could say so! Did you do that???? Otherways, bla, bla bla,...

Sincerely ,
Tigrotto

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 16, 2007, 04:40:13 PM
The electrical resistance could only be the resistance of the water, because quartz sand has a 'infinite' resistance. If you would use absolutely pure and clean sand, and destilled water, the resistance should be infinite. Otherwise it depends mainly on the ions in the water.

Even if there is only a voltage, without current, it would be remarkable, if this voltage only occurs after putting the sand into the pyramid.
I would not expect any significant power out of sand and water.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 16, 2007, 05:01:20 PM
@Skywatcher
Excuse me, I was waiting a replay from Pegasus, not from you.
You're wrong saying that replay, I'm physicist and I know what I mean!
Thanks,
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 16, 2007, 05:58:03 PM
I have been busy today with my friend the welder. We already got 50% of welding done and will do a bit more this evening. Tigrotto, my old friend, keep cool, we know what you mean, but remember we are not fools either. Expect to be able to duplicate "cup of sand experiment" over the next 2 or 3 days. Also gypsum board. It is more exciting than football, Yes?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 16, 2007, 05:58:43 PM
Excuse me, I was waiting a replay from Pegasus, not from you.

This doesn't prevent me from giving my own comments.
If you don't like them, don't read them.

Maybe others like them.   ;)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 16, 2007, 08:14:18 PM
@Skywather,
The problem is this:
I understood your errors from a physical point of view. The others our friends, most of them, don't understand this!!!
You're right: I don't consider these foolishes ( from a scientific point of view!), but there are guys here considering them!
@all:
this is my "professional personality" : I can not shut up my mouth when I hear something like these "physical errors".
Finally:
NONE CAN SAY HE "GOT THE POWER" UNTILL HE WILL NOT MWEASURE A CERTAIN VOLTAGE ACROSS A CERTAIN RESISTOR. I KNOW THE BATTERY HAS ITS OWN RESISTANCE, BUT THIS MEANS NOTHING!
A BATTERY IS NOT A BATTERI IN ITSELF UNTILL IT GENERATES ON A CERTAIN RESISTOR IN PARALLEL!
Hope this helps,
This is why I asked Pegasus to take a low value resistor and to connect it parallel to its sand battery!
Then, we'll "concetrate" on how to "concentrate this energy" how to increase it!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 16, 2007, 08:22:05 PM
The problem is this:
I understood your errors from a physical point of view. The others our friends, most of them, don't understand this!!!

Where do you see errors in my posting ?
What you are saying about power, and measuring it with a resistor, is absolutely correct.

What i said: even when there is a voltage, but no power to measure in the sand, it would be interesting, if this voltage only occurs after putting the sand into the pyramid for several hours. Of course you can measure voltages everywhere with a high-impedance voltmeter, but if you can measure a voltage after 'pyramid treatment' which is significantly higher than the voltage without this treatment, then i would also consider this as remarkable.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 16, 2007, 08:52:33 PM
I spend a lot of time looking again and again at what has been previously posted on this subject. I just noticed something which validates something I said previosly. Look at the picture of the converter on page 1 of this subject. OK , we know this is not the V6 [or v12] but look at the coil wound on the bottom bit of the copper frame. Notice;
 1 It has a larger internal diameter than the external diameter of the copper tube[it is a loose fit]
2 It is not co-axial with the copper tube.[ It is mounted off center]
  In the plans for v6 TT says wind coils with wire of2.5mm diameter and an internal diameter of 25mm [of the coil]
           This more or less shows what I said . Do not wind coils directly onto the copper. Thre must be a space, or perhaps cardboard in between.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 16, 2007, 09:14:58 PM
@skywatcher
That's correct now! Maybe it was only my misunderstanding asI'm not an English speaker!
Apologizes,
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 16, 2007, 09:18:50 PM
@neptune,
Agreed ( insulated wire!),
otherwise ( if no insulated wire wounded on copper frame) means not use for wounding coils !
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 16, 2007, 09:24:49 PM
That's correct now! Maybe it was only my misunderstanding asI'm not an English speaker!
Apologizes,
Tigrotto

Ok. That's a problem for most of us who are not native speakers of English. But your English is much better than my Italian.  ;)

Today i finished building my pyramid frame. Infos about it will follow in the other thread.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 16, 2007, 11:08:19 PM
@Tigrotto
I completely agree with Skywatcher when he says:"....even when there is a voltage, but no power to measure in the sand, it would be interesting, if this voltage only occurs after putting the sand into the pyramid for several hours. Of course you can measure voltages everywhere with a high-impedance voltmeter, but if you can measure a voltage after 'pyramid treatment' which is significantly higher than the voltage without this treatment, then i would also consider this as remarkable"

Maybe you have not understood the real meaning of my post on the experiment.
I'm sure that my "cup of sand" is not able to power even a led,but probably,accepted science cannot explain why I got voltage in it......

Regards,
Cyrano.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: jeanna on December 16, 2007, 11:45:27 PM
If I remove the electrodes and I insert the probes of the voltmeter,DIRECTLY in the wet sand exposed to the pyramid,I got voltage.This phenomenon  resemble piezoelectricty,but I'm not sure,because I havent take measurements with the same sand -not- wetted.In these experiments .If I use sand not exposed to the energy of the pyramid,I get pratically NOTHING,no voltage, in every mentioned cases.
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Now I ask to people that have the possibility to repeat the experiment
Regards,
Cyrano


Hi Pegasus,
I am here to keep me from  impatiently fiddling with the probes on my meter . I am doing only controls right now and I do not have a good pyramid yet. I am only doing the part with the salt water in the sand in the glass jar. Here are some results:

If I stick the probes directly into the
dry sand   0.000v
5% salt water  0.005v
graphite pencils as rods shorted 0.00v   
all as expected OK

now, I wetted the sand with the salt water. at first the reading was 0.001 then I noticed that it changed while I was holding the probes. So, I stuck the probes into the damp sand and as I have been watching and waiting for about 45 minutes the voltage has risen continuously and now the voltage reads 0.090v I am not even sure it is slowing down.

I suppose it could be that I am slowly shorting my meter and the battery which the meter uses as a reference is slowly draining.  >:( ???

but no up and down motion - just steadily going up.

I will continue to report. Maybe I will make a foam pyramid today while I wait.

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 17, 2007, 11:56:40 AM
Hi all.
I had a big surprise yesterday I had to take the converter apart and start over because I brook one of the graphite rods. now I empty the sand totally dry out the pipe and started over filling with sand then putting the two new rods in fill up the pipe and closed off, fill saltwater. then I put it back in to the pyramide frame insulated at the same spot like before and to my surprise the voltage reading rods to pyramide frame showed only 0.004V. I added a bit more of the saltwater nothing changed. the first setup what had exactly the same material for everythings and even the same amount of saltwater showed right a way 0.231V fluctuating to 0.482V.
this is very strange.
did somebody expirience similar things?
please post it or send me PM
thanks and greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 17, 2007, 12:18:21 PM
@Jeanna.
Its not clear to me if you have exposed the sand to the center of the pyramid.By the way if you get raising voltage  during the trethment,is is a good sign.I have measured my voltage after removing the pyramid and I have noticed the capacitor discharge effect.Not doing the exposition on my sand it doesn manifest any effect.Completely inert.I think that if we get differnt results,is becuase we dont use the same source of materials as starting base,so we can get a lot of different varations.even with differnt pyramids,different locations,etc.etc..
If you have the possibility,try to put into the wetted sand a sheet of aluminium and one of copper,and measure the output,and compare with a test control outside the pyramid.There was rumors in the past about the strange effects of these two metals subjected to the energy of the pyramid..Maybe is true.   

@All
 I counsil to everyone to finish their pyramids and show the pics to Thomas.There is the possibilty that he will send the new instructions only to builders.If you got the instruction dont post it here or elsewere without his permission,because there is the possibility that Thomas will leave us,and without his help we will are not able to finish our work,even with every details.


Regards,
Cyrano.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 17, 2007, 12:42:21 PM
Doing a search on the web I have found various posts and articles on Thomas  sharing his invention .WRONG!
Thomas has expressly said to not talk about these things outside the forum,otherwise he will leave.
Consider that acting in this way we augment the possibility of danger to Thomas and his family.And consider that without Thomas we will are not able to run our pyramids...
I ask myself why people are so stupid........

Cyrano
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pegasus on December 17, 2007, 12:54:50 PM
See this link;another strange device......

http://totalism.50megs.com/7_text.htm
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: bobinaccounting on December 17, 2007, 05:47:07 PM
I think this is basically a sail, Wouldnt the coil part need to be underneath the pyramid to properly work? where is the center of gravity would be? 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 17, 2007, 07:24:11 PM
Pyramid frame completed today.I have used angle-iron throughout-30x30x5mm. TT says that the vital dimensions are those of the inside surface of the plasterboard skin, and I have stuck to that as closely as possible. Hopefully buying gypsum board tomorrow. One thing that keeps coming back to me is TTs words about building a larger pyramid, and about having problems with static electricity. Could staticHope to complete the job by Sunday, work permitting. be an important part of the whole thing? My basic plan is to complete my duplication, and if it does not work , I have a lot of experiments to try. One idea is to "prime" the converter with a charge of high voltage static. Another is to investigate the cavity of the completed pyramid with a simple electroscope[google it] Not long now to copletion, work permitting.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pontifex on December 17, 2007, 07:53:03 PM
I think this is basically a sail, Wouldnt the coil part need to be underneath the pyramid to properly work? where is the center of gravity would be? 

Well, that is basically the prototype of a parachute by Leonardo da Vinci.
First you need to find the centre of gravity of each four gypsum boards:

>> The center of each gypsum plate (Mittelpunkt einer Gipsplatte) is
>> located at 1/3 of the height of the pyramid ca. 23,6 cm above the
>> base. NOT at 1/2 the height.

Now join these points this way: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg63739.html#msg63739

Pontifex
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 17, 2007, 08:46:57 PM
Can anyone tell me the origin of "Skizze 2". Was it drawn by or for TT? The reason i ask, is that it shows the 2 coils covering nearly the whole of the vertical side-pieces of the copper frame. If we now refer back to the photo of the converter shown on page 1 of this topic, [I know this is not the v6] the coil is wound closely[adjacent turns touching.] So again we have conflicting info. Spacing of turns may be important because it effects the inductance of the coil. If the coil is to be close wound, its hight will be about 9x2,5=22.5mm. so there is the question, how high up the copper tube to place the coil. {My guess would be down the bottom where the wet sand meets the dry sand, in other words, the coil would enclose the botton of each graphite rod.] We have had people complaining about people being unable to follow plans, but this is just one example of ambiguous information. The moral is , if is does not work, there is always something else to try. A photo of v6 would have answered many quesyions.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tak22 on December 17, 2007, 09:45:34 PM
Has anyone joined this group?

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pyramide-project/ (http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pyramide-project/)

Is there anything of interest/value going on there?

Is Thomas in support of it?

tak
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: jeanna on December 17, 2007, 09:58:51 PM
@Jeanna.
Its not clear to me if you have exposed the sand to the center of the pyramid.

Not yet. That was just my control!   I was surprised and came here to see if anyone else got this and while I did the voltage rose steadily to 0.090v and then finally stopped. Also, I was getting impatient and wanted to set up a pyramid so it could begin "charging the sand" and I noticed that the voltage was beginning to drop and was at 0.088v. Unfortunately I touched the meter and the charge changed a lot, so, I just put the jar of damp sand into the pyramid to charge. BTW this is a pyramid I made from poster paper a while ago. It is not official v6, but, you know, I have to try it. ;D

Quote
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If you have the possibility,try to put into the wetted sand a sheet of aluminium and one of copper,and measure the output,and compare with a test control outside the pyramid.There was rumors in the past about the strange effects of these two metals subjected to the energy of the pyramid..Maybe is true.   


Regards,
Cyrano.

Cyrano,

Would you please explain that thing with the 2 metals again? Do you mean to use 2 different metals as leads?

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: jeanna on December 17, 2007, 10:14:46 PM
Hi all.
I had a big surprise yesterday I had to take the converter apart and start over because I brook one of the graphite rods. now I empty the sand totally dry out the pipe and started over filling with sand then putting the two new rods in fill up the pipe and closed off, fill saltwater. then I put it back in to the pyramide frame insulated at the same spot like before and to my surprise the voltage reading rods to pyramide frame showed only 0.004V. I added a bit more of the saltwater nothing changed. the first setup what had exactly the same material for everythings and even the same amount of saltwater showed right a way 0.231V fluctuating to 0.482V.
this is very strange.
did somebody expirience similar things?
please post it or send me PM
thanks and greetings
walt

I don't get it. Is there something we are doing wrong? Even you, Walt with a converter set up. Didn't Thomas get more voltage? (My eyes couldn't take anymore reading at this point but)  I think I remember that Thomas was getting 9 volts with the converter. That is a whole order of magnitude greater than anything here. I think he even warned us to be very careful because of the power involved. ???

Is there anybody getting over 1,5volts?

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 18, 2007, 11:13:24 AM
Hi all
I just wana clear up I dont have the capacitor or the coils hooked up this comes next. I still oucld not find the real reason why this converter failed. but I did find out that the sand if just loosly fill without carefull compact them ( a tapping on the vertical pipes will do it) will shrink at the horizontal portion ( between the two hols) after filling with saltwater and the sand from the vertical portion will not slide down what means there is no connection with the sand anymore thats maybe one reason why it failed the second time.
I also believe that on the description from TT is something major missing how he did get the higher voltage but I will see after connecting all the parts what's happen then, maybe I got a christmas surprise. 8)
greetings
walt

Hi all.
I had a big surprise yesterday I had to take the converter apart and start over because I brook one of the graphite rods. now I empty the sand totally dry out the pipe and started over filling with sand then putting the two new rods in fill up the pipe and closed off, fill saltwater. then I put it back in to the pyramide frame insulated at the same spot like before and to my surprise the voltage reading rods to pyramide frame showed only 0.004V. I added a bit more of the saltwater nothing changed. the first setup what had exactly the same material for everythings and even the same amount of saltwater showed right a way 0.231V fluctuating to 0.482V.
this is very strange.
did somebody expirience similar things?
please post it or send me PM
thanks and greetings
walt

I don't get it. Is there something we are doing wrong? Even you, Walt with a converter set up. Didn't Thomas get more voltage? (My eyes couldn't take anymore reading at this point but)  I think I remember that Thomas was getting 9 volts with the converter. That is a whole order of magnitude greater than anything here. I think he even warned us to be very careful because of the power involved. ???

Is there anybody getting over 1,5volts?

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 18, 2007, 02:31:16 PM
Hi all
I just wana clear up I dont have the capacitor or the coils hooked up this comes next. I still oucld not find the real reason why this converter failed. but I did find out that the sand if just loosly fill without carefull compact them ( a tapping on the vertical pipes will do it) will shrink at the horizontal portion ( between the two hols) after filling with saltwater and the sand from the vertical portion will not slide down what means there is no connection with the sand anymore thats maybe one reason why it failed the second time.
I also believe that on the description from TT is something major missing how he did get the higher voltage but I will see after connecting all the parts what's happen then, maybe I got a christmas surprise. 8)
greetings
walt

Hi all.
I had a big surprise yesterday I had to take the converter apart and start over because I brook one of the graphite rods. now I empty the sand totally dry out the pipe and started over filling with sand then putting the two new rods in fill up the pipe and closed off, fill saltwater. then I put it back in to the pyramide frame insulated at the same spot like before and to my surprise the voltage reading rods to pyramide frame showed only 0.004V. I added a bit more of the saltwater nothing changed. the first setup what had exactly the same material for everythings and even the same amount of saltwater showed right a way 0.231V fluctuating to 0.482V.
this is very strange.
did somebody expirience similar things?
please post it or send me PM
thanks and greetings
walt

I don't get it. Is there something we are doing wrong? Even you, Walt with a converter set up. Didn't Thomas get more voltage? (My eyes couldn't take anymore reading at this point but)  I think I remember that Thomas was getting 9 volts with the converter. That is a whole order of magnitude greater than anything here. I think he even warned us to be very careful because of the power involved. ???

Is there anybody getting over 1,5volts?

jeanna
The 9 volts will start after  2-3 minutes later (after the aprox 0,6 volts are there.
)BUT
the pramide must be in earth-magnetic orentation
the shilding walls (like gypsum) must be attachedon sklett of pyramide.
the converter WITH the capacitors must be finished and sit in the right place
Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 18, 2007, 03:56:20 PM
@Pese. From Thomas first post on this forum, he says that he is the pyramid inventor, and says yhe "Mr pese" can verify[confirm] this fact.Pese, are you a friend of Thomas, have you met him, do you know more about him than the rest of us? I am still working on this, and buying the gypsum board today. Does anyone know if the chosen Few have received V12 information yet? My worst fear is that without further input from Thomas, people will start to run out of enthousiasm. There is no choice but to contiue groping in the dark...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: das_Licht_erendi on December 18, 2007, 04:58:43 PM
dont loose faith!

Om Tat Sat.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 18, 2007, 05:59:38 PM
@Pese. From Thomas first post on this forum, he says that he is the pyramid inventor, and says yhe "Mr pese" can verify[confirm] this fact.Pese, are you a friend of Thomas, have you met him, do you know more about him than the rest of us? I am still working on this, and buying the gypsum board today. Does anyone know if the chosen Few have received V12 information yet? My worst fear is that without further input from Thomas, people will start to run out of enthousiasm. There is no choice but to contiue groping in the dark...
Hello,
ichg weiss dass TT ein erhlicher und seri?ser Mensch ist . Egal was die die Leute immer "SCHLECHTES" suchen um jemanden unglaubw?rdig zu machen. Ich weiss , dass diese Entwicklung schon fast 30 Watt Leistung brachte. Ich habe alle Kontaktdaten zu TT , m?chte Ihn im Moment nicht nach seinen Pl?nen fragen , denn die Entscheidung , wie
und Was er tun will , darf oder kann muss sicher nicht ?ber Mail oder
Telefon laufen. Ich glaube schon , dass  "Freie Energie" in jeder Form
"unerw?nscht " ist, weswegen eine "Ver?ffentlichung" mit "Vorank?ndigung" sicher ein "ungeschickter" Weg ist und war.
(Die Hacker haben das bewiesen)

Ich hoffe dass TT die Freiheit hat sich unbehindert wieder zu ?ussern.
Gustav Pese

Hello, I know TT an honest and serious person that is. All the same what the people of ALWAYS "BAD" try to make implausible around somebody. I know that this development already brought nearly 30 watts of achievement. I have all contact data to TT, would not like to ask Him at the moment for his plans, because the decision, how and What he wants to act, is allowed or can run, has to go, certainly not about mail or phone. I already believe, that " free energy " in every form "unwanted"
So is (and was away) a "publication" with "advance advice" certainly "clumsy". (The hackers have proved this) I hope TT the freedom that has to express itself freely again. Gustav Pese

(translated from www.translate.ru)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Localjoe on December 18, 2007, 06:59:51 PM
http://www.geocities.com/undergsci/pyramidenergy.html  Some replications of shape power... with good explination and pics of plants in control and pyrmiad :)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 18, 2007, 07:17:12 PM
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Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 18, 2007, 07:18:08 PM
And here some Pyramide experimets. in german language.
Hier ?hnliche Experimente in Deutsch
http://pesetrier.stormloader.com/12.html
Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 18, 2007, 07:19:53 PM

@Pese. From Thomas first post on this forum, he says that he is the pyramid inventor, and says yhe "Mr pese" can verify[confirm] this fact.Pese, are you a friend of Thomas, have you met him, do you know more about him than the rest of us? I am still working on this, and buying the gypsum board today. Does anyone know if the chosen Few have received V12 information yet? My worst fear is that without further input from Thomas, people will start to run out of enthousiasm. There is no choice but to contiue groping in the dark...


Hello,
ich weiss dass TT ein ehrlicher und seri?ser Mensch ist . Egal was die die Leute immer "SCHLECHTES" suchen um jemanden unglaubw?rdig zu machen. Ich weiss , dass diese Entwicklung schon fast 30 Watt Leistung brachte. Ich habe alle Kontaktdaten zu TT , m?chte Ihn im Moment nicht nach seinen Pl?nen fragen , denn die Entscheidung , wie
und Was er tun will , darf oder kann muss sicher nicht ?ber Mail oder
Telefon laufen. Ich glaube schon , dass  "Freie Energie" in jeder Form
"unerw?nscht " ist, weswegen eine "Ver?ffentlichung" mit "Vorank?ndigung" sicher ein "ungeschickter" Weg ist und war.
(Die Hacker haben das bewiesen)

Ich hoffe dass TT die Freiheit hat sich unbehindert wieder zu ?ussern.
Gustav Pese

Hello, I know TT an honest and serious person that is. All the same what the people of ALWAYS "BAD" try to make implausible around somebody. I know that this development already brought nearly 30 watts of achievement. I have all contact data to TT, would not like to ask Him at the moment for his plans, because the decision, how and What he wants to act, is allowed or can run, has to go, certainly not about mail or phone. I already believe, that " free energy " in every form "unwanted"
So is (and was away) a "publication" with "advance advice" certainly "clumsy". (The hackers have proved this) I hope TT the freedom that has to express itself freely again. Gustav Pese

(translated from www.translate.ru)

@ Thomas


http://otto-gb.150m.com/pdf/ngu.html



@ Stefan , bitte Bereinigen , habe  versehentl quote statt modify angeklickt ... GP
 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 18, 2007, 07:21:48 PM
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Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 18, 2007, 07:22:30 PM
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Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 18, 2007, 07:23:10 PM
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Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 18, 2007, 07:54:51 PM
It's extremely easy to understand that Tom will no longer post here!
No illusion !
It miss some very important piece of information, otherwise, why none of us managed to replicate successfully?
All of us are here to loose time!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 18, 2007, 08:27:00 PM
@Tigrotto. I was a bit surprised at your last post. It may be that you are right about a missing piece of information. But if this effect is real,and I think it is, then there is a good chance that if we all work together, we can still win. There are some very skilled and intelligent people here, including yourself. It would be interesting to know how many non-working replica we have. If you have one, PLEASE tell us. It may be that a very small detail is the difference between success and failure. Think of a Television with 1000 parts. Break 1 part and it will not work. This is the same.
               I think that if we can find one electrical event that happens inside a pyramid, but not outside, then we have something to work with,[cup of sand experiment] Even if we have only 1 microwatt, if classic science says it should not exist, we are onto something. When science discovered the first microbe, it was not ignored because of its small size. Without further information it might be a long job. How many substances did Edison have to try before finding that tungsten is the right one for light bulbs?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: das_Licht_erendi on December 18, 2007, 08:54:50 PM
om tat sat.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pontifex on December 18, 2007, 09:18:25 PM
@das_Licht_erendi

This is not an art project. As your contribution lacks some important elements like "text" to link apples, trees, brains, and pyramids. Maybe you should try to discuss these matters with bowser03 ?

link: http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3538.0.html

The sanskrit mantra "Om Tat Sat" isn't very enlightening either...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 18, 2007, 09:22:23 PM
It would be interesting to know how many non-working replica we have. If you have one, PLEASE tell us.


I have not tried yet.

I've gone back and recut my sides to correct an error I made. Also, I could see light through some of the joints and I want a perfect fit as I can get. Beveling the edges and getting the joint right takes time...


@all

Thomas states:
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I found out, that there are some guys posting to my descriptions absolutely false details. This is not because they are stupid, this is because they want to prevent success.

Don't depend on someone else here for your instructions. Go back and follow Thomas's instructions as closely as possible.


-Duff


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 18, 2007, 09:25:49 PM
Neptune,
thanks for your courtesely words!
1. The difference between some of us and edison is at least this : Edison was a very rich man! Many of us invested hunderth of Wuro and...nothing!
2. I'm an inventor too in my field of activity! do you know that I can disclose to you 99% of one of my inventions and you'll NEVER be able to replicate it ? Many of us are inventors here and my "colleagues in inventics" understand what I mean!
3. I'm a very "difficult" person also a very difficult personality. Why? I 've never made compromises in science!!! Here all of us are loosing time!
Believe me : Thomas didn't say all and he didn't say what we need to know!
4. I know why Tom proceeded in this manner and it is easy to understand for many of us ( maybe for all of us!) . He'll never return HERE!!!!
5. How it is possible today in Europe one can not find a PC and an internet connection to spread V12 to whom he wants? Will you understand that HE didn't longer agree to share V12 with us????
6. It could have been the nice Real Science Story but... remains only a Bad nightmare!!!
Hope this helps and I'll no longer comment these!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: titof on December 18, 2007, 09:43:18 PM
hmmm... :)
He said  :  I'll do !
Don't forget He is in the shit and ... not us! :(
You are not in, tigrotto ?
Are we all going to build as we promised ?
I think he needs time...
It isn't easy to find secure ways to tell us...he were fired from this forum , no?  logical !...
We are maybe actually the last of his problems ?



 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 18, 2007, 09:43:58 PM
Tigrotto, thanks for your quick reply. Yes, Edison was a very rich man, and I am not. I understand about the disclosure of 99% of your invention. The odds on winning the lottery in England are 14,000,000 to one. Yet every week, millions of tickets are sold. I also understand about no compromise in science.
               My problem is being English, we are not very good at knowing when we are beaten. I have spent a lot of time and money on this, and so will continue with it for some time. If I fail, it will have entertained me for some time, and will have been cheaper than going out drinking. Please note that my remarks about being English , does not mean any disrespect for people of other Nations. I think the best time to give up is after you have won. TT may or may not return,and if not then I will do my best without him.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 18, 2007, 09:44:51 PM
1. The difference between some of us and edison is at least this : Edison was a very rich man! Many of us invested hunderth of Wuro and...nothing!

I also invested time and money. That doesn't hurt me much, but i'm not going to throw it in the junkyard until i have at least tried the V6 replication, and some more of my own experiments. Has anyone at all tried the full V6 replication so far ? All i read here is that someone has put a glass of sand into a small pyramid (and got some effects), and someone other has measured almost 0.5 V without even having built completely the converter, and without the gypsum boards. I wouldn't call this a real breakthrough, but it's also not disappointing.

If several people would have built the complete pyramid including converter precisely following TT's description, and wouldn't have got any result, that would be disappointing. But even then we could try to find the missing details for ourselves.

TT is also a human being as we are, and if he can invent such a thing (if it's not a hoax) then we can invent it too.  :)

We also have the advantage to be able to do many experiments in parallel, everyone with his own setup, and if there is any effect, we should find it sooner or later.

Quote
2. I'm an inventor too in my field of activity! do you know that I can disclose to you 99% of one of my inventions and you'll NEVER be able to replicate it ? Many of us are inventors here and my "colleagues in inventics" understand what I mean!

Of course you are right. But as i said above: if one person is able to find it, another person can do it too.
But it won't fall easily into your hands by simply replicating a building plan.

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He'll never return HERE!!!! 

Maybe not here, but he promised to give the description he's currently working on to some people which will share it with us.
So let's give him a few days, and look what will happen.

We have not much to lose. The time and money we have already spent is gone anyway, but there's no need to throw everything away.

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5. How it is possible today in Europe one can not find a PC and an internet connection to spread V12 to whom he wants?

Why not ?  Give me the files, and i will spread them all over the world.
No hacker could stop me doing this. Maybe they could crash my PC, but this wouldn't stop me. There are many ways...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 18, 2007, 09:52:39 PM
Skywatcher, your my kind of guy...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 18, 2007, 10:42:17 PM
Hi guys,
I see here that more and more people getting frustrated about the situation, me too a bit but it does not help to go around and blame TT.
what ever reason he has its his personal choice to share complete or not that should not mean that everybody give up.
I for my part be gone so far that I not throw away all I will finish what is started with the description what is given and see what 's happen. so far it was allready a surprise experience to find results and disappoint ment.
Sure we can not compare results with TT's setup if we dont have all the details but we can compare the results from what we have acomplished or??
I hate if the discussion goes this way like it just started  instead to be constructive because thats the only what brings us forward one way or the other and I also dont wana offend anybody but the old german word says "all theorie is grey" only practis brings results
this just my opinion
greetigns
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 18, 2007, 10:48:53 PM
@Walter Hoffmann,
Mein Herr,
I've never BLAMED TT! For me he's an inventor having his reasons to do what currently does!!!
I've never blamed he! Please controll your saying! Your English speaking could be a good excuse!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 18, 2007, 10:55:19 PM
what do you want from me I did not talk about anybody specific I just said my opinion what you have to allow me too because you are allways the one who complaines and I dont have to controll my saying.
thats my last word on this
greetings
walt

@Walter Hoffmann,
Mein Herr,
I've never BLAMED TT! For me he's an inventor having his reasons to do what currently does!!!
I've never blamed he! Please controll your saying! Your English speaking could be a good excuse!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: zapper on December 19, 2007, 05:51:21 AM
Hi,

This is my first post on the overunity forum. Have been reading this topic from the start.  This pyramid thing caught my attention because of certain unusual electrical faults occurring in my house which are probably  related to the pyramid shape of the roof in three of the rooms. (I will post the details if anyone is interested).

So I am sure there is something connecting the pyramid shape and electricity that we do not yet understand.  I have been trying to find an explanation but without much success.  This thread is the closest that I have come till now.

I also found that the following  webpage has some useful info related to the Joe Parr research on properties of the pyramid:(see item 9.8)

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/torscons.htm

which  seems to be some suggest that there is some connection with negetive ion generators, magnetic fields, rotation of the pyramid and specific sound frequencies strengthening the power of the pyramid.

Hope this helps you all in unraveling some of the mysteries.

Zapper



Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 19, 2007, 11:50:14 AM
hi all,
to get back to the original subject I just finished a new converter all new after the catastropic failure of the old one like described.
this time I used "pese's" idea to use the "T"rotated 45 degree  what makes it especial easy for the connector wire because they dont have to be bended what probably caused the breaking of the graphite rod in my last one. today I will put it back in the frame to see how it works then I will put the drywall ( rigips platten) back on to seee if anythings changes and then connect the coils and the capacitor the first time. this time I will take picture and video what I will share with you gus if you want.
I hope everybody go ahaed and finish sofar what we intended too.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 19, 2007, 11:53:02 AM
Hi zapper welcome here,
could you describe a bit more the electrical faults what you have. also how the house is build where geographical, hight, size when it was build etc. a couple picture would help too.
greetigns
walt


Hi,

This is my first post on the overunity forum. Have been reading this topic from the start.  This pyramid thing caught my attention because of certain unusual electrical faults occurring in my house which are probably  related to the pyramid shape of the roof in three of the rooms. (I will post the details if anyone is interested).

So I am sure there is something connecting the pyramid shape and electricity that we do not yet understand.  I have been trying to find an explanation but without much success.  This thread is the closest that I have come till now.

I also found that the following  webpage has some useful info related to the Joe Parr research on properties of the pyramid:(see item 9.8)

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/torscons.htm

which  seems to be some suggest that there is some connection with negetive ion generators, magnetic fields, rotation of the pyramid and specific sound frequencies strengthening the power of the pyramid.

Hope this helps you all in unraveling some of the mysteries.

Zapper




Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 19, 2007, 11:58:59 AM
Hi Walt, and glad your still making progress. Today , my friend is cutting and fitting the gypsun boards, and I am working on the converter. I plan to use thin flexible wire to connect the coils to the graphite rods, to help with that problem of broken rods.I would like to hear Tigrotto comment on the information that Zapper provided a link to . Hope everybody has a nice day, ...Ken
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 19, 2007, 09:14:23 PM
One problem I have had is finding a suitable nut and bolt to hold the capacitor together. The only thing I could find was car number plate bolts, and they are not long enough. I bought a pair of 6mm plastic knitting needles, cut one to length, tapered the end with a craft knife, and used a steel nut to cut its own thread. Job done.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Carl. on December 19, 2007, 11:12:40 PM
One problem I have had is finding a suitable nut and bolt to hold the capacitor together. The only thing I could find was car number plate bolts, and they are not long enough. I bought a pair of 6mm plastic knitting needles, cut one to length, tapered the end with a craft knife, and used a steel nut to cut its own thread. Job done.

Not sure if you are in the US, but Home Depot has them, Nylon screws, washers and nuts in lengths upto about 1~ 2"
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: MT on December 20, 2007, 12:21:41 AM
Hi guys,
thanks a lot for your contributions. Sorry to see Tigorotto discouraged and TT not keeping his word for the second time. Maybe they "convince" him somehow its better to not to keep his word  :(
Anyway since yesterday I'm back in business. 2 hours ago just finished my frame (using screws). It is labor intensive I better weld it but then it would not fit into car. Tomorrow plan to place in pyramid frame small galvanic cell made from piece of copper tube with quartz sand, graphite and salt water similar to setup with U-shape tubing to see whats happen.

@Walter: strange you could not reuse old copper frame to get voltage fluctuations. Salt eated copper at the surface? Hm. Curious whether new fresh piping help and you can replicate the effect.

all the best,
MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 20, 2007, 12:28:57 AM
Hi MT
no the copper was not even corroded or discolored and I used a gun brush and run it thru before new assembling and I could still not find out why it doesnt work I did put it aside for later now I will finish the new one.
greetings
walt

Hi guys,
thanks a lot for your contributions. Sorry to see Tigorotto discouraged and TT not keeping his word for the second time. Maybe they "convince" him somehow its better to not to keep his word  :(
Anyway since yesterday I'm back in business. 2 hours ago just finished my frame (using screws). It is labor intensive I better weld it but then it would not fit into car. Tomorrow plan to place in pyramid frame small galvanic cell made from piece of copper tube with quartz sand, graphite and salt water similar to setup with U-shape tubing to see whats happen.

@Walter: strange you could not reuse old copper frame to get voltage fluctuations. Salt eated copper at the surface? Hm. Curious whether new fresh piping help and you can replicate the effect.

all the best,
MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 20, 2007, 11:00:24 AM
One thing I keep thinking is this. If after lots of effort we fail to duplicate TT s results, if we can find some strange effect that only happens inside the pyramid, we have a basis for further research. Much research has taken place in Russia. The Russians seem to favour fibreglass pyramids with no metal frame, and a tall narrow shape. Two effects are claimed which it might be possible to duplicate.
1 It is claimed that water inside a bottle at the focus does not freeze even at temperatures as low as minus 40. If it is then knocked or disturbed it will start to freeze.
2 It is claimed that a pyramid causes a vertical column above th apex that is visible on radar. Does any one know a the owner of a boat fitted with radar?
Other effects are claimed, but I feel these tend to be subjective and difficult to prove.
Keep up the good work.....
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 20, 2007, 12:08:42 PM
Some thoughts on non working V6 replicas. First, check all the thingsTT suggests. To me the obvious test load would be a lamp. This would have made more sense on a video because it would show visible results. Instead, a computer fan is used. I don't know much about these, but i assume a standard brush type DC motor is used . Could this have some effect on the pyramid converter,[back EMF etc].
            Two new ideas,
! try to "jump-start" the pyramid, by briefly applying 12volts from a battery across the output.
2 use a much higher resistance load[ 1 megohm or more] and apply a high voltage from some kind of static electricity generator to the output,observing polarity if possible.
These ideas may be rubbish but who can say without trying?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 20, 2007, 12:29:55 PM
Funny thing happen with my pyramid.  My collector had 0.57VDC across center capacitor before I hang it inside the pyramid.  After I hang it within 10 min voltage dropped to 0.48VDC. When I connected long capacitor and grounded with frame after one hour voltage came to 0.00VDC.  This morning on the output all I have is 0.002 - 0.001 fluctuating.    There is no short anywhere.  Is it possible to hook it up   backwards?

Remember also my replication differ a lot from planned.  Pyramid is only 3ft in size, I used pencil rods, capacitor is made out of bronze sheet and has 1mm clear plastic between the plates.
However my goal is not getting 6V either.  I would be happy if I get 0.7VDC - a little higher than prior putting it into the pyramid.
Anyone had similar experience?

George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 20, 2007, 03:07:33 PM
@all,
I just said to you :
It miss something. And Thomas intentionatelly didn't say all about V6.
The reason is this : Many of us ( including me tried unsuccessfully V6) .None obtained more than 0.5V!
We replicated successfully what TT said it is V6, but not the whole V6.
I'm one of you followed step by step V6 description. Nothing to do!
He'll never return here and I'm sure on this .
The story ended prior to start !
Cheers,
tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 20, 2007, 03:18:15 PM
The reason is this : Many of us ( including me tried unsuccessfully V6) .None obtained more than 0.5V!
We replicated successfully what TT said it is V6, but not the whole V6.
I'm one of you followed step by step V6 description. Nothing to do!

Did you use 20x20 mm steel tubes for the frame ?
I remember that you said in TT's forum you wanted to use much smaller stainless steel tubes.   ???

Could you post photos of your setup ?  You know, even negative results are also results.  ;)

If you are right, the person from Switzerland who claimed to have successfully replicated V6 would have been a liar, or he didn't follow the instructions and changed something, maybe without even knowing about it. But then we could do it the same way, by changing some details.  ;)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 20, 2007, 03:45:24 PM
@Tigrotto. Just answer one question for me. Do you believe that TT actually got some watts of power from a pyramid. If you do, then with your knowledge there is hope for us[ even though you think that the odds are against us]
.Please answer the question.
@ georgemay. CONGRATULATIOS ON YOUR COMPLETION. Your work is not over, it has just began. See my post earlier about "jump starting". Are you happy you have wound your coils in opposite directions[ viewed from top ,one clockwise, one anticlockwise]
@all. One thing to try if all else fails. convert your v6 converter to the type shown in TT video. At least then, you will be sure that you have the coil arrangement exactly right. There are no photos of v6 converter are there?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 20, 2007, 04:33:47 PM
@Neptune
@all
Even if I'm a physicist, the V6 description is not "logical" from our  point of view. This is why I'm like all of us, even as those being no " scientists"!!!!!
Again my conclusions:
For some hidden reasons Tom didn't disclose all of V6 specifications.
Moreover, for some other hidden reasons he leave the board!!!
My guess is that he tried something and something else didn't work as he expected.
I can not say more than these words!
I'm really not sure V6 ever worked too!!!! That videio means NOTHING more than NOTHING!!!
YOUR ILLUSION MAKE YOU THINK THAT IN A CERTAIN DAY YOU'LL DISCOVER THE MISSING POINT!
There is a probability to do that! But very small and all of us are in the dark here ( I dare to say that I'm the first blind ) !
There is inside of all of us a great trancendental desire , and this desire made us as blinds seeing not the evidence.
Cheers,
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pontifex on December 20, 2007, 04:52:13 PM
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Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 20, 2007, 05:25:49 PM
@ Tigrotto. You say " For some hidden reason tom didn't disclose all v6 specifications" My big question then is, why did he disclose ANY of the V6 specifications. This is not logical. What could he possibly hope to gain by disclosing PART of it. In the past he complained about being called a scam. Partial disclosure could only have one result. Even MORE people calling him a scam.
          In my job, I deal with people every day, and my success depends on me being a pretty good judge of character. It is a fact that everything a person does is for their own advantage [apart from acts of charity. ] So can someone explain why I person would put a great effort into a thing which could only be to their disadvantage.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: atlantex on December 20, 2007, 06:45:21 PM
Hi all,

Quote
Moreover, for some other hidden reasons he leave the board!!!

Thomas describs here (message 7)

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pyramide-project

quite clearly what's the reason why he's not posting here anymore, read it or not but please stop blaming him.

Quote
I'm really not sure V6 ever worked too!!!! That videio means NOTHING more than NOTHING!!!

so, seems you have now an other opinion, when you were moderator at the TTP board.

As the whole thing started, Thomas had some rules on his page, do you remember?, think you don't, let me remind you.

He said, "if this project takes to much time or he get to stressed, he will stop the project..."

This are not his exactly words, but it reaches the point, and, what's happened after few days as the project has started?, think we all know it.


atlantex
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 20, 2007, 07:34:49 PM
His last message was:

Quote
13.12.2007 - Thomas Traw?ger  (www.trawoeger-pyramide.info)
@ all :
I?m working on a 100% Fool-Proof description, and i will give this to all the Members of the "inner circle" if it?s ready. They will swap the File immediately!

Pleas give me these days to do that.
ng, Tom

That was one week ago. I know from my own projects, that 'a few days' could easily develop into 'a few weeks' if you also have other things to do. I think there is still a chance that he will show up again and delivers what he has promised.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: atlantex on December 20, 2007, 07:53:02 PM
Hi skywatcher,

I absolutly agree with you.

He also said:

Quote
For me, it?s very important in this moment, to know ANY Constructor
of V6 or V12. In future time, i will give support only to prooved
Constructors.
To fix this Problem, send me a picture of your Construction with your
Nickname and your Living-Country to XXXXX@trawoeger-pyramide.info
(and some secure Mailadress of course)
If the prooved constructors are collected, i will give support to all
these guys.
Well, this sounds a litle complicated, but it will be the best
possibility to find the right guys.

That could also mean, that only real constructors will get support, all other will get nothing.

let's see


atlantex
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 20, 2007, 07:57:48 PM
That could also mean, that only real constructors will get support, all other will get nothing.

No problem for me. Everyone can see here in the forum what i have done.  :)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 20, 2007, 08:00:36 PM
quite clearly what's the reason why he's not posting here anymore, read it or not but please stop blaming him.


Quote
I'm really not sure V6 ever worked too!!!! That videio means NOTHING more than NOTHING!!!

so, seems you have now an other opinion, when you were moderator at the TTP board.

atlantex


Who have u find this words ?

Is this Fake or true.

I dont belive this !

Pese

 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: atlantex on December 20, 2007, 08:13:03 PM
Hi pese,

simply look at the last post from Tigrotto.

It's not ok to say such words, even if Thomas decide to stop this project.


atlantex
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 20, 2007, 08:44:44 PM
Hi pese,

simply look at the last post from Tigrotto.

It's not ok to say such words, even if Thomas decide to stop this project.


atlantex

Will you say : THAT THIS WORDS WAS NOT
Quoted from: TT ?

Than its not OK that YOU SHOWN THIS as...

-------------
2. IF TT will or can not follow his forum longer
you must not say , that his devices will or can not work.

You can also belive , that people "stopped" him , BECAUSE that device WORK !? 
You mus "see" all work and devices from (minimum) two sides !!


Have you any interests to find members (from OU) in this "yahoo.groupe" ?
Is this yours ?

Pese

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: atlantex on December 20, 2007, 08:56:38 PM
Quote
Have you any interests to find members (from OU) in this "yahoo.groupe" ?
Is this yours ?

not mine

But Thomas seems to write there, did a statement that he will help other pyramid builders, think that should know everybody
who is really interested to build such a device.


The rest of your post is a little bit over my mind.


atlantex
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 20, 2007, 09:07:59 PM
Quote
Have you any interests to find members (from OU) in this "yahoo.groupe" ?
Is this yours ?

not mine

But Thomas seems to write there, did a statement that he will help other pyramid builders, think that should know everybody
who is really interested to build such a device.


The rest of your post is a little bit over my mind.


atlantex

... than you can try also TT Pyramide , They will work.

See also this from Dr Pajak ...


Pese

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 20, 2007, 10:11:21 PM
@pese, who is Dr Pajak, and where can we see what he said. did I misunderstand you?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 20, 2007, 10:51:19 PM
@pese, who is Dr Pajak, and where can we see what he said. did I misunderstand you?

Google find all.
IF we use " good think about " KEYWORDS

as used:

http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=pajak+150m+pl+poland+pyramide&meta=

THAN CLICK at: (in Cache)!!


also it exist an patent (from other inventor)  that use outside (of pyramide) coil !!
and the model ist fixed between to plates , that contains some 10 Kilovolts in Volage. (no ampere-age ,= no power)
(Static voltage can be used , and is easy to
produce them.

also cacade "ionizer circuit" , tgat worke an line voltage and produce so, 10Kvolts can be used.  Link needed?

Pese

Added:
http://energia.sl.pl/   Dr Pajak Poland

I believe that  this from TT  is the best way
to experiment withthem , to have first results.

G.P.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 21, 2007, 12:00:23 AM
hey guys
dont let you distrat from all this not realated posts I think we should go on or not but dont react to such distracting posts anymore.
lets move on and report your results bad or good, it does not matter maybe somebody else had the same expirience and found allready a solution.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 21, 2007, 12:52:49 AM

lets move on and report your results bad or good,

I got today PM from a fellow builder who's pyramid is acting exactly like mine:

Quote
The same things happened with mine pyramid! Mine collector had 0.52VDC in the beginning, and after two days the output was fluctuating between 0.001VDC and 0.002VDC and now it is zero!

George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: jeanna on December 21, 2007, 01:38:55 AM

lets move on and report your results bad or good,

I got today PM from a fellow builder who's pyramid is acting exactly like mine:

Quote
The same things happened with mine pyramid! Mine collector had 0.52VDC in the beginning, and after two days the output was fluctuating between 0.001VDC and 0.002VDC and now it is zero!





George
me too. I have not got past the sand in the jar pre-experiment. I got some hopefull voltage for a control but now after 3 days inside the pyramid the voltage is down to 0.013v.

Thank you for posting your results george, you have saved me a lot of fiddling time.

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 21, 2007, 11:20:27 AM
Hi guys,
I had the same results after rebuilding my first converter you remember? I reported this now it did lay just on my bench for the time and yesterday I put it in the pyramide frame just to see and  I tell you it showed some voltage again and even in AC it showed this time 0.23V steady and in after turning it side wise DC 0.15 to 0.38V. and remember also that my converter had nothing on it no capacitor no coils what I believe is happening that the initial power created in the copper pipe and the graphite rods did run down because this energy is just needed to support and excite the whole setup to pull in and probably increase the output.
I would say just let your converter sit for some time outside the pyramide and then try it again and also try to turn the converter without turning the pyramide and watch the DVM.
over the week end I will try to make a video was just to busy.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 21, 2007, 12:32:20 PM
@All,

  My Ni-MH battery was charged in the pyramid, and this one is drained.  Battery was hang horizontally -  maybe I should try to hang collector horizontally too?  I am pulling out the collector this morning to see if it will regain any power.


George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 21, 2007, 01:17:17 PM
@ Walter Hofmann. You sat you believe that the power created by the copper, graphite etc is just to excite the "main system". If this proves to be the case, there may be more reliable and efficient ways to do this. What about using 1 or2 or 3 cheap off the shelf Zinc carbon batteries to do the job?
       If your theory is right, they could be disconnected after a time, say 2 or 3 days. Even if they are needed all the time,10 or 20 watts from cheap torch batteries is worth having? Do not worry, just another idea from crazy old neptune...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: zapper on December 21, 2007, 02:17:28 PM
Hi zapper welcome here,
could you describe a bit more the electrical faults what you have. also how the house is build where geographical, hight, size when it was build etc. a couple picture would help too.
greetigns
walt


Hi,

This is my first post on the overunity forum. Have been reading this topic from the start.  This pyramid thing caught my attention because of certain unusual electrical faults occurring in my house which are probably  related to the pyramid shape of the roof in three of the rooms. (I will post the details if anyone is interested).

So I am sure there is something connecting the pyramid shape and electricity that we do not yet understand.  I have been trying to find an explanation but without much success.  This thread is the closest that I have come till now.

I also found that the following  webpage has some useful info related to the Joe Parr research on properties of the pyramid:(see item 9.8)

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/torscons.htm

which  seems to be some suggest that there is some connection with negetive ion generators, magnetic fields, rotation of the pyramid and specific sound frequencies strengthening the power of the pyramid.

Hope this helps you all in unraveling some of the mysteries.

Zapper





@Walt

Sorry for not posting the reply for a while.  I have been trying to better understand the problem by checking again in the last few days.  Now let me describe the background for you.

House build in 2004,
Geographical location - South India (9.58.01 N 76.21.27 E)
Height above mean sea level - 10 metres
Type of construction - Brick walls, RCC Roof.
Type of wiring - Through conduits concealed in walls and roof.

Now about the problem

To cope with the heat of the Indian summer, we use ceiling fans suspended from the ceiling.  Three rooms on the first floor of the house have sloping roofs, which form three sides of a pyramid, with the fourth side of all rooms combine into a common area.  The height of the semi-pyramidal structure forming the roof is approximately 1.8 metres.  The ceiling fans of these rooms are suspended near the approximate mid point of the pyramidal shape. (Just like the TT converter in this case).  The ceiling Fans as you know has coils and capacitors (just as in the TT convertor).  The Electrical fault is that, the electronic speed regulators of the fans in all three rooms do not function properly. What I have found is that, It is not the fault of the regulators because I have tried to changing them with regulators of other fans that work.  I have also tried changing the regulators with new ones.  But they do not work with the fans in just these three rooms.  I have also tried changing all three fans with new ones, it is not the fault with the fans. I have exchanged the fans and regulators with those in other rooms, where they work without any problem. This has led me to believe that it is the position of the fans being suspended at the mid point of the pyramidal roof that is the key to the problem.

Hope you got some idea.....Sorry for my poor English, it is not my mother tounge.

And I forgot to mention, the house  and the pyramidal roof faces are approximately north -south direction.   Sorry for my long and boring post. I hope it helps everyone here to better understand the strange Pyramids.

Regards,

Zapper.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: MT on December 21, 2007, 02:42:49 PM
@walter
congratulations, great that you succeeded in replicating it. I'll concentrate now to build converter frame to get this effect also. I assume you followed skizze dimensions. A pic of your version would be of help here.

In the meantime I assembled simple galvanic cell in shape of one vertical tube of the converter see picture. Cell itself gives around 0.31V. As rod is used pencil rod HB type. Salt water injected 2mm below bottom of the rod as in converter. Putting it in the center of pyramid and measuring potential to the pyramide frame gives me 0 volts. Tried various positions to no avail. Only if I moved myself or something then I had some milivolts but they dropped to zero as I went still.
This shows me that effect is probably somehow related to the shape of converter. Vertical rods in the converter are not in center anyway only horizontal tubes intersect pyramid pyr. center line.

My frame looks like it has its own magnetic properties and compass forgets where north is. I moved compass only in base diagonals. In one diagonal it points toward closer corner so if I moved it from one corner to opposite it rotated 180degrees. In another diagonal it start pointing to closer corner and if you move it towards center it turns like 40degress and moving past center to the opposite corner pointer returns back to starting position. If pyramid is aligned with north and compass lying on the base in center it points somewhere to east. Explanation could be that while drilling I could magnetize tube locally. I noticed small pieces of iron sticked to the tube while drilling. Also cutting may added to it.

best regards,
MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: mikey on December 21, 2007, 07:19:56 PM

<...snip...>

But they do not work with the fans in just these three rooms.  I have also tried changing all three fans with new ones, it is not the fault with the fans. I have exchanged the fans and regulators with those in other rooms, where they work without any problem. This has led me to believe that it is the position of the fans being suspended at the mid point of the pyramidal roof that is the key to the problem.

<...snip...>

And I forgot to mention, the house  and the pyramidal roof faces are approximately north -south direction.   Sorry for my long and boring post. I hope it helps everyone here to better understand the strange Pyramids.

Regards,

Zapper.



Hi Zapper,

Just a quick question. Are you sure you have ruled out the wiring on that floor, or in those rooms?

Regards,

Mike
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 21, 2007, 10:38:19 PM
Hi MT
what wetter do you have in regards to clouds , rain etc.?
greetings
walt

@walter
congratulations, great that you succeeded in replicating it. I'll concentrate now to build converter frame to get this effect also. I assume you followed skizze dimensions. A pic of your version would be of help here.

In the meantime I assembled simple galvanic cell in shape of one vertical tube of the converter see picture. Cell itself gives around 0.31V. As rod is used pencil rod HB type. Salt water injected 2mm below bottom of the rod as in converter. Putting it in the center of pyramid and measuring potential to the pyramide frame gives me 0 volts. Tried various positions to no avail. Only if I moved myself or something then I had some milivolts but they dropped to zero as I went still.
This shows me that effect is probably somehow related to the shape of converter. Vertical rods in the converter are not in center anyway only horizontal tubes intersect pyramid pyr. center line.

My frame looks like it has its own magnetic properties and compass forgets where north is. I moved compass only in base diagonals. In one diagonal it points toward closer corner so if I moved it from one corner to opposite it rotated 180degrees. In another diagonal it start pointing to closer corner and if you move it towards center it turns like 40degress and moving past center to the opposite corner pointer returns back to starting position. If pyramid is aligned with north and compass lying on the base in center it points somewhere to east. Explanation could be that while drilling I could magnetize tube locally. I noticed small pieces of iron sticked to the tube while drilling. Also cutting may added to it.

best regards,
MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: MT on December 22, 2007, 10:11:36 AM
what wetter do you have in regards to clouds , rain etc.?

... last days completely cloudy,  around 0, dry no rain from beginning of the week. Experiments done in basement 1.5m under terrain. Beton floor. And your weather? Maybe is somehow related...
Yesterday evening finished the converter frame 12cmx10cm. Need to just bore 2mm holes and place pencils (this time 6B type) + sand. How did you actually connected wire to those graphite rods? how long are your rods, pencils used or graphite electrodes? Maybe you said it already I do not remember. I plan to just use clips(see in pictures from prev experiment) to connect to pencils through T-tube side openings.
Last question is about soldering frame it is almost stable even without it. Have you solder it? I tried using candle fat and it closes eventual connection gaps pretty nice I plan to use it.

@georgemay
how is your convertor doing? Something unusual?

greetings,
Marcel
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 22, 2007, 11:31:21 AM
Hi MT
yes my weather is cloudy too, my test is on ground outside 4 meter above sealevel.
I use copper clad electrodes 5/32 its very nice wire can be soldered directly to it. make the top that both T are 45 degree turned what means the middle opening connected with short piece of pipe and one opening straigt up this makes it easier for the rods to be hold in place, but first fill the bottom about the hight till the two holes then cover the holes ( or the sand will run out) be patient with filling the saltwater verry slowly then wait a while and let it soak because if it is to wet it will not work.
I did both soldered and not but solldered works better  just the two elbow, the horizontal and the two vertical the top portion is just stack.
greetings
walt

what wetter do you have in regards to clouds , rain etc.?

... last days completely cloudy,  around 0, dry no rain from beginning of the week. Experiments done in basement 1.5m under terrain. Beton floor. And your weather? Maybe is somehow related...
Yesterday evening finished the converter frame 12cmx10cm. Need to just bore 2mm holes and place pencils (this time 6B type) + sand. How did you actually connected wire to those graphite rods? how long are your rods, pencils used or graphite electrodes? Maybe you said it already I do not remember. I plan to just use clips(see in pictures from prev experiment) to connect to pencils through T-tube side openings.
Last question is about soldering frame it is almost stable even without it. Have you solder it? I tried using candle fat and it closes eventual connection gaps pretty nice I plan to use it.

@georgemay
how is your convertor doing? Something unusual?

greetings,
Marcel

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 22, 2007, 06:33:29 PM
make the top that both T are 45 degree turned what means the middle opening connected with short piece of pipe and one opening straigt up this makes it easier for the rods to be hold in place

 ???

Do you have a picture of this construction ?  I'm not sure if i really understood your description...

My current project status:

I have soldered the 'U' part of the converter (works very good with a 150W soldering iron and normal electronics soldering wire). Unfortunately the carbon gouging rods still have not been delivered to me >:( so i also buyed some pencils to have at least something to experiment with over the next days. Today i searched for gypsum boards which are less than 2.5 m long so that i can transport them, and i found some which are 0.9 m x 1.25 m x 6.5 mm which is a pretty good size for cutting out the side walls of the pyramid.

So i have basically all material i need to finish the construction.

Total cost for material so far: about 100 euros. I hope the results will justify the expenses... 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 22, 2007, 08:19:20 PM
Hi everybody. I have v6 replica 95% complete just need to fit graphite sand and water.  I think that the battery charging experiment by Georgemay could be very significant. More work is needed here to duplicate this, and try to improve it. We do not know if the charge comes from a voltage appearing across the terminals [unlikely] or from some sort of pyramid power effect on the chemicals within the cell. Georgemay used a Ni mh cell we could try other types of cell. we could try a physically larger cell. we could try putting a bundle of cells in all at the same time. Instad of pointing the positive terminal north, we could try south east or west. We could try attaching a large disc off metal [copper] to each cell terminal to "collect more energy. I intend to try all these things and more.
               Can someone help me here. If you look at the picture of a converter on page 1 of this subject, It appears to me that t the 2 graphite rods are connected together by the wire running across the top of the copper frame. Anyone agree/disagree?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 22, 2007, 08:35:23 PM
I think that the battery charging experiment by Georgemay could be very significant. More work is needed here to duplicate this, and try to improve it.

I had a NiMh accu in my pyramid frame (without gypsum boards) for 2 days, and the voltage didn't increase a single millivolt.

Quote
Can someone help me here. If you look at the picture of a converter on page 1 of this subject, It appears to me that t the 2 graphite rods are connected together by the wire running across the top of the copper frame. Anyone agree/disagree?

The converter on page 1 is not V6 (i think it was V4 ?).
If there were graphite rods in the converter (which we don't know), it looks like they were connected via this wire.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 22, 2007, 09:30:45 PM
make the top that both T are 45 degree turned what means the middle opening connected with short piece of pipe and one opening straigt up this makes it easier for the rods to be hold in place

 ???
 


So this way.

you can exchange electrode and sand easy
Yes 45 degrees is wrong . 90 ?  ist right.
so that it is an ( Toploader)


pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 22, 2007, 09:34:02 PM
@Skywatcher. Your battery charge experiment gave result, even though it was a negative result. I am not sure If Georgemay had gypsum boards fitted. I f he had, then perhaps this shows they are necessary for charging. Also, what was the cell voltage at the start of the test. Perhaps this is effect only works up to a given voltage?
@ V4? converter. This is interesting, because I plan on giving this version a try, At least we have a photo, which may be worth a thousand words.Also, if in the v4 we have a galvanic cell effect, it must use the voltage between the rods-connected-together, and the copper. Thus it would be easy to substitute 2 zinc carbon cells to eliminate the unreliability of the copper-graphite -saltwater cell or cells.
      Also, there is some disagreement about if the copper frame of the v4 is grounded to the steel frame vie its support. That is something else to try.
      Sorry for these brainstorm ideas, but we all have to keep trying or we can not win.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 22, 2007, 09:44:15 PM
make the top that both T are 45 degree turned what means the middle opening connected with short piece of pipe and one opening straigt up this makes it easier for the rods to be hold in place

 ???
 

So this way.

you can change electrode and sand easy

Ok... this is the configuration which came also into my mind, but the '45 degree' confused me... it should read '90 degree'.  ;)

With this configuration it's easy to change sand and electrodes, but in the original plan the wires for the coils are coming out on the side of the converter, not on top. We don't know if this will affect the functionality of the converter. I will think about it tomorrow... maybe there is a more elegant way to solve all problems but being more close to the original plans...   8)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 22, 2007, 09:51:21 PM
Also, what was the cell voltage at the start of the test. Perhaps this is effect only works up to a given voltage?

It was 1.2834 V. The cells had been charged some months ago, and had been untouched for some months.
Shortly after charging, they have more than 1.3 V.
The cell was in vertical orientation during the experiment. Pyramid frame was oriented to geographical nord.

I didn't wanted to discharge them to avoid unwanted variations in the voltage due to settling processes.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 22, 2007, 10:08:25 PM
make the top that both T are 45 degree turned what means the middle opening connected with short piece of pipe and one opening straigt up this makes it easier for the rods to be hold in place

 ???
 

So this way.

you can change electrode and sand easy

Ok... this is the configuration which came also into my mind, but the '45 degree' confused me... it should read '90 degree'.  ;)

With this configuration it's easy to change sand and electrodes, but in the original plan the wires for the coils are coming out on the side of the converter, not on top. We don't know if this will affect the functionality of the converter. I will think about it tomorrow... maybe there is a more elegant way to solve all problems but being more close to the original plans...   8)

Yes 45 degrees is wrong . 90 ?  ist right.
so that it is an ( Toploader)


I read often from broken electrodes .

so it is easy to wire this , change , center it in the sand ..

in the TT size you must "desoldering the tube ... if somes was going wrong.
Pese...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 22, 2007, 11:19:54 PM
Hi all
here are a few picture from my new setup including capacitor ( not connected just finished)
like you can see I used a plastic electrical clamp with a plastic binder as holder to make changes in direction and hight easy.
It is right that the T should be 90 degree.
see also my converter, I dont think it mnakes a big difference if at all how the wire come out but this way you will not so easy break the verry fragile graphite rods.
the capacitor was pretty triky because to solder this it needs quite a lot of heat, I did it the following way :
first I drilled allways 5 plates with about 3mm from top down and then center
second I tinned all the top edges and two extra copper strips where at the copper strips a put some more tin on it
then I screwd five plates together with 10/24 screw and nuts which are exactly 3mm thick,
then I heated the strip up till solder start thinning and put the pack of the five plates on and heated this to till the tin flows and then let it stay till is cold. for heating I used a propan torch on small flame.
for the assembling I made 10 strip mica 1mm thick with the same hole in the midle strips for the reason that I could put them in between the plates and have something to direct the hole I first took a piece of welding rod with a tip on it to make sure all the holes are alligned then I put a plastic crew in and tighten the hole set.
maybe this helps
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: MT on December 23, 2007, 12:59:06 AM
Hi guys thanks for clarifications. Walter thanks a lot for pictures it surely helps. Your converter looks somewhat thick 12mm tubes used? On picture looks like at least 15mm diameter.

greetings to all builders,
MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: jeanna on December 23, 2007, 01:51:16 AM
Beautiful job, Walt!

Thank you.

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 23, 2007, 09:39:35 AM
@Walter Hoffman,
And will not work, nevertheless you good job!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 23, 2007, 10:39:48 AM
sorry people but this guy drives me nuts.
greetings
walt


@Walter Hoffman,
And will not work, nevertheless you good job!
Tigrotto

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 23, 2007, 10:42:15 AM
Hi MT,
the pipes for the converter are regular 1/2 inch copper pipes what has a inside diameter of 12.25mm, thats what TT has described.
greetings
walt

Hi guys thanks for clarifications. Walter thanks a lot for pictures it surely helps. Your converter looks somewhat thick 12mm tubes used? On picture looks like at least 15mm diameter.

greetings to all builders,
MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 23, 2007, 01:59:41 PM
the pipes for the converter are regular 1/2 inch copper pipes what has a inside diameter of 12.25mm, thats what TT has described.

I think he meant pipes which have an outside diameter of 12 mm (inside: 10 mm). If you build the converter using these pipes, and using the measurements of 100 mm (width) and 120 mm (height) then the proportions look slightly different. But maybe this is not important for the functionality. Also, in the original plan, the coils should have an inside diameter of 25 mm, so they are NOT wound closely around the pipes, but have about 6 mm space to the surface of the pipe.

This is my converter ('classic' construction with wire outlet on the sides ;)  ):
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Gustav22 on December 23, 2007, 02:34:00 PM

So this way.


Los Pese,
l?t' die paar schei?-r?hrchen zusammen, damit wir endlich ein st?ck weiterkommen.
 ;)

But seriously:
Unfortunately I still don't get a voltage rise, yet.
Still same situation as reported here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg64019.html#msg64019

The white smear is Sikaflex 291
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: spacetrax on December 23, 2007, 04:32:06 PM
Hi,
are you working with the pyramid fully covered with gypsum plates, or only with three plates, like in the old TT pctures? I guess, only a fully covered pyramid would work.
Are you using also a long capacitor in 40 degree slope towards the face of the pyramid?

Cheers! and keep up the good work!
Spacetrax

..........................................................
But seriously:
Unfortunately I still don't get a voltage rise, yet.
Still same situation as reported here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg64019.html#msg64019

The white smear is Sikaflex 291
[/quote]
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 23, 2007, 06:04:11 PM
In the Video TT posted two years ago, the fan he was using as load was running with one side of the pyramid being uncovered.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Gustav22 on December 23, 2007, 08:13:50 PM
I think I made a mistake and I have to bring up a problematic point before more people make the same mistake.
Please note Thomas' original instructions for V6:
Quote from: TT Bauanleitung V6 deutsch
...Mittels Kupferrohr ca. 12mm wird ein U-F?rmiger Korpus hartgel?tet.
2 T-St?cke verbinden diesen Korpus an der Oberseite....

Here TT says, that the tubular copper frame has to be hard soldered

The German speaking builders can look up the difference between normal 'l?ten' und 'hartl?ten' here:
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%B6ten

The English speaking may want to consider this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazing

In short:
When we use normal electrical solder, then this solder, which is made of tin and lead, will probably run into the tubes and contaminate them, unless everybody takes the utmost care to prevent this.

You have to decide yourselves if you think this is relevant.
But I see in in the photos of the V4 (this is how TT calls this version in the old video) on the first page of this thread, that the lower pipe elbows of the tubular frame practically show no sign of tin solder.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: MT on December 23, 2007, 08:54:27 PM
the pipes for the converter are regular 1/2 inch copper pipes what has a inside diameter of 12.25mm, thats what TT has described.

I think he meant pipes which have an outside diameter of 12 mm (inside: 10 mm). If you build the converter using these pipes, and using the measurements of 100 mm (width) and 120 mm (height) then the proportions look slightly different. But maybe this is not important for the functionality. Also, in the original plan, the coils should have an inside diameter of 25 mm, so they are NOT wound closely around the pipes, but have about 6 mm space to the surface of the pipe.

This is my converter ('classic' construction with wire outlet on the sides ;)  ):

Thanks @sky thats what I meant (tube has 12mm outside diam), my converter dimensions looks exactly like yours only I'm not soldering (just candle wax-ing) and T parts are oriented upwards. At the moment it is not important for me to get V6 or similar I just want to replicate the effect @walter sees. Maybe that was TTs V1.

@Gustav22
Thanks for info about hard soldering.

have nice evening everybody,
MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 23, 2007, 10:07:05 PM
@MT I too noticed the reference to "hard soldering. " I took this to mean silver soldering which is used by model engineers to build steam boilers. II cant see why this would be necessary, as no high temperatures are involved. Not sure what MT means by contaminating the inside of the pipes. Soft soldering is used in domestic plumbing, although modern plumbers solder in the UK is "lead-free".
         I cant do much to my project at the moment due to family commitments. I keep looking at the V$ version, because at least we have a photo. It is a bit confusing because I believe we have a reed switch on the left side which is operated by a magnet. We now know that both reed and magnet are not needed. On page 2 of this subject, someone has drawn a diagram of the circuit of the v4. This shows one end of the main coil connected to ground.Can anyone see this ground on the photo?
       A lso, on the photo we see the 2 drain holes for the saltwater. These have been blocked by solder or glue. This suggests the presence of saltwater, and more than likely, sand and graphite as well. The strange thing is, that the 2 rods seem to be connected together as I previously said. Would anybody like to attempt a circuit diagram of v4 now we have a better idea what is inside it. Nother strange thing [unless I missed something] is that on the video, you cannot see if the fan is turning or not. All comments welcome.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 23, 2007, 10:07:09 PM
hi guys,
yes thats right in the picture and video it shows the lower portionof the U is not soldered just rivet. I only use siverbearing solder without lead.
maybe there is something to it with brazing I will try this tomorow we just can try. it is shame that we dont have a actual picture from TT's V6 version we could take much more out of it. I think the pipe diameter is not so much importand because TT sayds approximatly 12mm what is 1/2 inch. the outside measurements are pretty much the same we are talking a few mm difference it is maybe importand for max output bu to bring it to work at all should be not so importand, maybe I am wrong. will see.
I got another question for all who are so far did anybody see by filling the higher side with saltwater some coming out of the other side? I did not see it and it would mean the whole pipe has standing water, but htis would after TT description be a failure . I dont know.
maybe someone had some experience with this
greetings
walt

the pipes for the converter are regular 1/2 inch copper pipes what has a inside diameter of 12.25mm, thats what TT has described.

I think he meant pipes which have an outside diameter of 12 mm (inside: 10 mm). If you build the converter using these pipes, and using the measurements of 100 mm (width) and 120 mm (height) then the proportions look slightly different. But maybe this is not important for the functionality. Also, in the original plan, the coils should have an inside diameter of 25 mm, so they are NOT wound closely around the pipes, but have about 6 mm space to the surface of the pipe.

This is my converter ('classic' construction with wire outlet on the sides ;)  ):

Thanks @sky thats what I meant (tube has 12mm outside diam), my converter dimensions looks exactly like yours only I'm not soldering (just candle wax-ing) and T parts are oriented upwards. At the moment it is not important for me to get V6 or similar I just want to replicate the effect @walter sees. Maybe that was TTs V1.

@Gustav22
Thanks for info about hard soldering.

have nice evening everybody,
MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 24, 2007, 02:40:31 AM
I added more photos so you can all look at. I have a capacitor meter and the center one measured 1300pf and the other one came to 35pf. I used magnet wire around tubes CW and CCW direction and 9 turns. The only thing that might not be right is used 5mm by 2mm pencil. Did not use graphic rods yet and might try when I can find some.

But anyhow put the water/salt solution in and got 30mv AC reading as shown in pictures. When I did slowly rotate sometimes it would go to 40mv. I give it a good shot and not really happy with such a low output.

Maybe Thomas can look at my setup and explain whats wrong. Mean while I will raise and lower U tube and try to find better output. So I really need help.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Freezer on December 24, 2007, 03:41:57 AM
But anyhow put the water/salt solution in and got 30mv AC reading as shown in pictures. When I did slowly rotate sometimes it would go to 40mv. I give it a good shot and not really happy with such a low output.

Its a start, a very good start, and atleast you have something producing current.  Good job.  From the photos it looks very nice and clean.  How much pressure did you use to twist the plastic screw sandwiching the copper plates?  Maybe those graphite axles used for rc cars could work?  I have some and they are real graphite, but I don't know if that could work.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 24, 2007, 03:51:15 AM
Thanks, but its very tight and if you backed off a little then got 900pf reading, so one can adjust the reading. Tonight its dropped to 23mv now. Not good I guess. Also used 8 layers of paper for 1mm gap. Building this took some time! and lots of coin
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 24, 2007, 03:59:33 AM
Magpower,

Nice work  - though it's not exactly to TT specs.

I hope you see some results anyway - it would make for a nice Christmas present...


Have you tried slowly tuning your 2 plate capacitor - by making small adjustments and waiting an hour or so before adjusting again?

I am still working on my main cap but in the process measured the capacitance between two plates 1mm apart (air dielectric). It measured 43pf,  so 10 plates should be close to 430pf.

You stated your main capacitor was 1300pf. It looks like you have a solid dielectric between the plates rather than air.

If you don't get any results perhaps you could try disconnecting some of the plates and lowering the capacitance and try again.


TT emphasizes: "The pyramid must be grounded very well!"

How are you grounding the frame?


-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 24, 2007, 04:41:14 AM
Duff

Thats something we don't really know for sure air or solid dielectric for the caps. I did back off on the screw and have set to 940pf right now. I used paper to keep plates flat. I will adjust it slowly each day and watch for changes. The only thing that I haven't used is 2mm graphic rods, but using pencil, I thought I would see a volt or so. I think if everyone trys something a little different we might get it. As for ground using my house ground. One thing I did notice if I bring my hand close to center cap the meter jumps up to 150mv or more, but did not touch it, so seems its picking up something. On DC I get nothing?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 24, 2007, 05:16:12 AM
Duff

Thats something we don't really know for sure air or solid dielectric for the caps. I did back off on the screw and have set to 940pf right now. I used paper to keep plates flat. I will adjust it slowly each day and watch for changes. The only thing that I haven't used is 2mm graphic rods, but using pencil, I thought I would see a volt or so. I think if everyone trys something a little different we might get it. As for ground using my house ground. One thing I did notice if I bring my hand close to center cap the meter jumps up to 150mv or more, but did not touch it, so seems its picking up something. On DC I get nothing?

Sorry but I believe TT specifies an air dielectric.

Perhaps our German friends confirm this from sketch 3:
jeweil 1mm Plotten LUFT

Google translates as: Jeweil 1mm plotting - distance air


I don't know what your background is so excuse me if this is something that your are already aware of. Grounds can be a complex thing and there are  specs that need to be met before a ground actually qualifies as a ground, especially in electronic labs. Even hams go to great lengths sometimes to build good grounding systems.

Where am I going with this? Well this may be something that we are glossing over and it could be that the ground is what is going to make this thing work or not...

Happy Holidays!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Chad on December 24, 2007, 06:40:22 AM
guys dont think that the gypsum plasterboard could be the key here?.
It seems odd to me that this is to be used in favour of metals, but then
it might just make sence because gypsum plasterboard contains radioactive
materials like "Radium" wich decays into "Radon gas".

There seems to be 2 types of gypsum used in boards, one is natural gypsum
and the other is phospho-gypsum, the latter having the most radio active material
even more than granite!.

I dont think that boards in the USA contain phospho-gypsum, but they do in europe, uk, australia and japan.

Just thought id throw this in there as it may help you guys.

http://www.hps.org/publicinformation/ate/q25.html
http://www.zerowasteamerica.org/Phospho-Gypsum.htm

chad.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: spacetrax on December 24, 2007, 07:06:27 AM
In the Video TT posted two years ago, the fan he was using as load was running with one side of the pyramid being uncovered.

Yes, but TT said this year that the presentation that he did two years ago was kind of set up, including the part with the small magnet. I don?t believe that the pyramid works only with three gypsum sides, thus not achieving resonance conditions.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tinu on December 24, 2007, 10:16:58 AM
@Magpower,

Congratulations!
A very good shot indeed! Frustration fully understable too. Mine grows since 03Dec.

One question, though: Is the ac voltage surely coming from the core or from the pyramid? I?m asking because I have on ground a small 50Hz signal of 50-70mV at all times due to power lines (interference and surges). As small as it may be, 30mV can mean something if generated from the setup. But I couldn?t see it either.

@ all
After over a month, I?m close to put an end to this story which smells bad as every day passes. Not many materials (200-300Euros maybe) but the work that I?ve put in various trials was enormous. And given the Christmas holiday season, this was bad. (Is this a kind of habit around holidays? Remember Mike?s story/fake in the end 2006?). I?ll post several thoughts during the next days but for now, I?d like to hear opinions on the following quote: 'My "friends" at overunity.com kicked me out, and very strange things happened there too...?'- http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pyramide-project/message/7 Tom, pyratom99.
What is he talking about?! What kind of strange things?! And, more importantly, who kicked him out?! I doubt this was the case?

Many thanks,
Tinu
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: MT on December 24, 2007, 10:37:49 AM
Hi guys,
Sharing my results. Last night finished converter see pic. After injecting saltwater, rods against copper frame gives each about 0.3V (this morning left 0.31 right 0.34). Placing it inside and measuring rods against pyr frame gives less than 1mV DC. Tried various heights and positions. Waited 1 hour until battery in DVM died. This morning measured AC this gives about 0.1V TrueRMS 50Hz. I could not find relation to the pyramide frame. Placing converter outside gives actually more ~0.14V TrueRMS also 50Hz. Connecting pyr frame to the socket ground gives more voltage ~0.14AC TrueRMS (with converter inside) but voltage is much less stable with frequncies 350-400Hz.

@walter
Also in my case no drop of water came of the second hole. Seems all goes up vertical tubing. Probably surface bonding of water molecules prevents it to leak from small 2mm hole. Maybe his had bigger diameter.

I would not call it success less than 1mV basically nothing and measuring AC gives me clearly induced 50Hz socket frequency. I'll play with it further hope to find time to place gypsum boards if family allows on this special day.

greets,
MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 24, 2007, 11:05:30 AM
I have been following this topic for a long time now and I just had a thought.  I am working over at the earth batteries topic and have achieved 1.8 vdc from just two electrodes placed in the earth.  Seems to be more than this device thus far.  But, what if I were to place a pyramid shape over my electrodes?  Would my volts go up?  I have a 5 foot spacing between electrodes at this point so the pyramid would be fairly large.  What do you guys think?  Worth trying?  There IS something to the pyramid shape with out any doubt.  Why or what is anyone's guess.  I have read a lot about this phenomenon and all says basically the same.  What this device is calling for speaks of galvanic action and so does the earth batteries but, as in this case as well, there is much more than just that going on.  Keep up all of your great efforts here.  If there is anything to this I know you guys will figure it out.  Merry Christmas to all.

Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 24, 2007, 11:15:49 AM
If you get only AC voltage, especially 50 Hz (or 60 Hz in the US) then this is not a pyramid effect, but comes from the power lines. As i did some experiments (even without a converter) i got up to 450 mV only by connecting the multimeter's ground to the pyramid and leaving the other measurement cable lying around on the floor (the pyramid frame was not grounded). With a high-impedance digital multimeter, you can pick up quite high voltages just out of the air...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 24, 2007, 11:34:33 AM
Duff

Thats something we don't really know for sure air or solid dielectric for the caps. I did back off on the screw and have set to 940pf right now. I used paper to keep plates flat. I will adjust it slowly each day and watch for changes. The only thing that I haven't used is 2mm graphic rods, but using pencil, I thought I would see a volt or so. I think if everyone trys something a little different we might get it. As for ground using my house ground. One thing I did notice if I bring my hand close to center cap the meter jumps up to 150mv or more, but did not touch it, so seems its picking up something. On DC I get nothing?

Sorry but I believe TT specifies an air dielectric.

Perhaps our German friends confirm this from sketch 3:
jeweil 1mm Plotten LUFT

Google translates as: Jeweil 1mm plotting - distance air

 

jeweils 1mm Plattenabstand 

in each case 1 mm of record distance  (plate to plate)

LUFT = Air between the plates.

not use dielectricums !

Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 24, 2007, 11:40:19 AM
Hi all,

I wishe you and yours a merry christmess and maybe some pyramide light would be nice.

greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 24, 2007, 11:46:28 AM
Hi MT,
I only measure DC and just for control I switch short to AC but nothing on AC just DC. I did not connect the pyramide frame to the ground jet. I will use a seperate ground rod outside any building to avoid influence.
after TT's explanation the voltage should start rising within a feww minutes you dont have to wait hours if nothing happen in the first 10 minutes.
greetings
walt

Hi guys,
Sharing my results. Last night finished converter see pic. After injecting saltwater, rods against copper frame gives each about 0.3V (this morning left 0.31 right 0.34). Placing it inside and measuring rods against pyr frame gives less than 1mV DC. Tried various heights and positions. Waited 1 hour until battery in DVM died. This morning measured AC this gives about 0.1V TrueRMS 50Hz. I could not find relation to the pyramide frame. Placing converter outside gives actually more ~0.14V TrueRMS also 50Hz. Connecting pyr frame to the socket ground gives more voltage ~0.14AC TrueRMS (with converter inside) but voltage is much less stable with frequncies 350-400Hz.

@walter
Also in my case no drop of water came of the second hole. Seems all goes up vertical tubing. Probably surface bonding of water molecules prevents it to leak from small 2mm hole. Maybe his had bigger diameter.

I would not call it success less than 1mV basically nothing and measuring AC gives me clearly induced 50Hz socket frequency. I'll play with it further hope to find time to place gypsum boards if family allows on this special day.

greets,
MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: MT on December 24, 2007, 01:11:49 PM
I only measure DC and just for control I switch short to AC but nothing on AC just DC. I did not connect the pyramide frame to the ground jet. I will use a seperate ground rod outside any building to avoid influence.
after TT's explanation the voltage should start rising within a feww minutes you dont have to wait hours if nothing happen in the first 10 minutes.
Thats clear, effect should be on DC I was just curious what is to see on AC scale. When the effect actually disappears in your case? Moving it 1 mm off center or 1cm? or you see it always and in center is much more. When you move converter a bit can you see changes immediately on DVm or it take time to build up? Hope I dont ask too much.
Maybe I should try sand from IKEA or other sand at the moment using quartz sand SiO2 from a glass factory. Also my stand where converter hangs is also not that convenient to set it is actually a stand for vine bottles.

I did not mention yet, few days ago I visited a nice guy who has 4x4m outside pyramid for few years. He is using it only for healing purposes. He never heard of using pyr for making electricity but was interested to hear about TT story. His pyr has wooden frame and is covered with aluminum sheets and of course has north orientation. Height I dont know but from context I understood it has ratio as Egyptian pyr. People that came to him got some help from diseases lying in it but also some got noting. He was surprised that I build frame from iron saying iron attracts energy to itself and such construction is never used for healing. He said there are two types of radiation one from ground and one from space. Earth radiation is bad and not desired! Healing comes from space, space radiation=good. He confirmed water not freezing in pyr and clearly changed vine taste(to softer). Also that water from pyr boils in 10min in comparing to normal water which does it in 20min. Then discussion went to esoterism. I got small alum pyr from him for sharpening razor blades. He is shaving daily with one blade for over 1 year. Blade became already a bit rusty but he said it is still good.

Merry Christmas to everybody,
MT
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 24, 2007, 02:04:07 PM
Duff

Thats something we don't really know for sure air or solid dielectric for the caps. I did back off on the screw and have set to 940pf right now. I used paper to keep plates flat. I will adjust it slowly each day and watch for changes. The only thing that I haven't used is 2mm graphic rods, but using pencil, I thought I would see a volt or so. I think if everyone trys something a little different we might get it. As for ground using my house ground. One thing I did notice if I bring my hand close to center cap the meter jumps up to 150mv or more, but did not touch it, so seems its picking up something. On DC I get nothing?

Sorry but I believe TT specifies an air dielectric.

Perhaps our German friends confirm this from sketch 3:
jeweil 1mm Plotten LUFT

Google translates as: Jeweil 1mm plotting - distance air

 

jeweils 1mm Plattenabstand 

in each case 1 mm of record distance  (plate to plate)

LUFT = Air between the plates.

not use dielectricums !

Pese


Thanks Pese
I will change this over in the next few days, any idea of what the value might be close to. And should the output be AC or DC ?


Magpow
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 24, 2007, 04:34:55 PM
Duff

Thats something we don't really know for sure air or solid dielectric for the caps. I did back off on the screw and have set to 940pf right now. I used paper to keep plates flat. I will adjust it slowly each day and watch for changes. The only thing that I haven't used is 2mm graphic rods, but using pencil, I thought I would see a volt or so. I think if everyone trys something a little different we might get it. As for ground using my house ground. One thing I did notice if I bring my hand close to center cap the meter jumps up to 150mv or more, but did not touch it, so seems its picking up something. On DC I get nothing?

Sorry but I believe TT specifies an air dielectric.

Perhaps our German friends confirm this from sketch 3:
jeweil 1mm Plotten LUFT

Google translates as: Jeweil 1mm plotting - distance air

 

jeweils 1mm Plattenabstand 

in each case 1 mm of record distance  (plate to plate)

LUFT = Air between the plates.

not use dielectricums !

Pese


Thanks Pese
I will change this over in the next few days, any idea of what the value might be close to. And should the output be AC or DC ?


Magpow

i think :
the cap is not an part of LC resonance circuit. 
so the cap.value will not be important .

the cap is an part of "antenna" OR:
an cap to have DC as output  (if the Oszillator will cones as an "funcion" of coil , tubings grafit.
I think , NOTHING have to do with our understanding from Elektronics or physics.
It?s will be come from "aetherics sciense , so as Dr.Reich have found somes. Also as Joe was in
experience with his "Cells"  (Joe-Cell).

It shown all " excentriic , unbelivibel , but i think, we will lear , with an open mind.

- sorry my "low-knowledges " in english-

Pese

P.S.
OUTPUT will be , in any way DC.

As load you can use also an bulb (from flash (no LED!)
so you see .
if your DMM can and will not work with
AC from high frequency (to be shure in any way)

Possibly the Gypsum walls from 2,3 or 4 sides are necessary.
possibly the radiation will be focussing in the middel (to converter).
Remember that hubbard an Moray have also "forced" small power
to "high" power with very small "radiating" -NUC- sources.

This "sources" are not open - or even surpressed , because
free energy is not wanted , if you will "earn money"



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Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 24, 2007, 04:40:01 PM
@Tinu. sorry you feel that all your work has been in vain. Before you give up totally, Why nottry a couple of things. Have you done any tests outside? [not easy at this time of year. ] An idea that keeps coming to me, is to replace the graphite and sand with 2 small zinc carbon cells inside the copper to replace the galvanic cell My hope is to get more power out than in. The best set up would be one new cell and one partially discharged. the negative of each cell is connected to the copper and the positives to the coils. I cant try it myself until after Xmass.
                If we can confirm ANY strange effect happening inside the pyramid but not outside, then we may be onto something. All I will say about the subject you ask for comments on is this.
 You will not necessarily learn much about free energy from this, but believe me, you will learn a lot about human nature.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 24, 2007, 05:10:10 PM
 compared.jpg   I know this is a older version but looks like the 2 inside rods are connected together.  And on real picture you can see the copper tube, just maybe connecting to frame, which would make more sense. First will change my center cap to air dielectric and go from there. I hope Thomas comes back !!

Happy Holidays
Magpow
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 24, 2007, 06:06:52 PM
I?ll post several thoughts during the next days but for now, I?d like to hear opinions on the following quote: 'My "friends" at overunity.com kicked me out, and very strange things happened there too...?'- http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pyramide-project/message/7 Tom, pyratom99.
What is he talking about?! What kind of strange things?! And, more importantly, who kicked him out?! I doubt this was the case?

Many thanks,
Tinu


Tinu,

I remember the day this happened. Overunity was getting the sql database errors and affecting logins. I think that Thomas mistakenly assumed that his login had been disabled rather than a system error occurring...


-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 24, 2007, 06:15:34 PM
I have been following this topic for a long time now and I just had a thought.  I am working over at the earth batteries topic and have achieved 1.8 vdc from just two electrodes placed in the earth.  Seems to be more than this device thus far.  But, what if I were to place a pyramid shape over my electrodes?  Would my volts go up?  I have a 5 foot spacing between electrodes at this point so the pyramid would be fairly large.  What do you guys think?  Worth trying?  There IS something to the pyramid shape with out any doubt.  Why or what is anyone's guess.  I have read a lot about this phenomenon and all says basically the same.  What this device is calling for speaks of galvanic action and so does the earth batteries but, as in this case as well, there is much more than just that going on.  Keep up all of your great efforts here.  If there is anything to this I know you guys will figure it out.  Merry Christmas to all.

Bill

Bill,

Being that the effects seem to occur approx 1/3 of the distance between the base and apex I'm not sure how you could work that into your earth battery unless maybe you imbedded part of the pyramid in the earth.


-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 24, 2007, 06:24:59 PM
compared.jpg   I know this is a older version but looks like the 2 inside rods are connected together.  And on real picture you can see the copper tube, just maybe connecting to frame, which would make more sense. First will change my center cap to air dielectric and go from there. I hope Thomas comes back !!

Happy Holidays
Magpow


Hi magpow.
I am not sure if an old setup is right take a close look at the picture.  Did anyone noticed open tube? where is the graphite rod then?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tinu on December 24, 2007, 06:29:24 PM
@Tinu. sorry you feel that all your work has been in vain. Before you give up totally, Why nottry a couple of things. Have you done any tests outside? [not easy at this time of year. ] An idea that keeps coming to me, is to replace the graphite and sand with 2 small zinc carbon cells inside the copper to replace the galvanic cell My hope is to get more power out than in. The best set up would be one new cell and one partially discharged. the negative of each cell is connected to the copper and the positives to the coils. I cant try it myself until after Xmass.
                If we can confirm ANY strange effect happening inside the pyramid but not outside, then we may be onto something. All I will say about the subject you ask for comments on is this.
 You will not necessarily learn much about free energy from this, but believe me, you will learn a lot about human nature.

I?ve done a lot of things in the last weeks. (At least three cores, different adjustments and tests in almost every imaginable condition around those indicated.) No outside tests indeed, due to bad weather (-7 to -10 Celsius here) and other difficulties (pyramid size and weight) but this should not be a problem as the original device is running indoor.

The bottom line is that me, like many others, spent a lot of passion & efforts on ?what?! Let me be very clear: on exactly 3 pictures (are there any others?! Make me believe that you have a running V6 and not one lousy photo of it!), on one movie that by now any one of us can easily re-make it (especially with those two wires getting into the ?voltmeter?, hmmm!) and on a lot of sound promises that proved to be just empty words! (I?m not sure how many are familiar with the value of a promise in German culture ? this is very bad!)
Further on: basic information lacks or, even worst they are contradictory (see the pyramid center description versus original photos). No replies to messages and to e-mails. No hello, no goodbye, no nothing from the ?inventor?. Instead we were served plenty of donuts and cheap stories? Finally and most importantly: no independent builder could report success! (I guess that hundreds of devices were built by now.)

I?ve tried to be as forthcoming as I could be but in the last couple of days I start believing that I was too credulous. Sorry, but I begin to doubt that the device ever run as advertised. TT did not owe something to us at the beginning but by now I really believe he does owe us at least some good explanations. As about V12 package ? how many still believe it will ever come?

Have a merry Christmas everyone,
Tinu
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pg46 on December 24, 2007, 06:49:02 PM
@MT

 I too was quite surprised to find ordinary metals used in the pyramid constructions here. I have had some connections and personal experiences using pyramids in other fields.
 Never ever were the pyramids made of magnetic metals. Wood, paper, plastic, concrete, brick, cardboard, stone, copper or whatever but not any metal that is magnetic. Since the pyramid needs to be magnetically aligned to true North one was instructed to build them using only non magnetic materials otherwise the alignment wouldn't work. You can test that by approaching ordinary metal with a compass in hand and noticing the needle going wild. You cannot get a true bearring from a compass when too near any iron. Land surveyors have used this fact for locating iron bars in the ground.
 I've seen pyramids built of aluminum, although they were not usually recommended, and of copper which was said to be good. Austentic steel such as high grade stainless may be good too but I am not sure.
 There are professional wood pyramid builders and they go to great lengths to not include any metals in their construction including the exclusion of nails in the joinery.
 Russian scientist have build large pyramids and they too don't use any iron in the construction.
In Kelowna, BC Canada there is a winery that have built an expensive pyramid cellar in which to store their wines. They too have not used any iron in their elaborate construction.
 
 In fact this is the only place I have seen pyramids built using ordinary iron.

Have a Good Christmas All-

PG46
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 24, 2007, 07:17:59 PM
@georgemay.Regarding the open tube on the photo. I think this is a short separate piece of tubing attached to the front of the standard copper tube frame. Its lower end would be just above or perhaps behind the blue object. We can only guess at its purpose, but i thank its purpose is to hide the reed switch operated by the magnet. Any better ideas.
               Whilst I have not yet written off the device altogether, I too am having difficulty understanding the mind of TT. If he encouraged us to build this, knowing that it would not work, what was it exactly that he hoped to gain. It is not as if he charged us all 10 Euro for the plans. If he had, then at least I would understand. In fact he has gained absolutely nothing of value at all. Does he really want to be remembered as the guy who encouraged us to waste tons of steel, square Kilometres of gypsum board, Kilometres of copper pipe and wire, and mountains of sand and graphite? Hows that going to help save the planet? If indeed it can work, when is he going to show us how. He says he is not trying to sell us some religion, and he is not the Messiah. But this is like waiting for the second coming of Christ. Still maybe I should be more patient . It is not Christmas yet for ^ hours..
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 24, 2007, 08:14:06 PM
@georgemay.Regarding the open tube on the photo. I think this is a short separate piece of tubing attached to the front of the standard copper tube frame. Its lower end would be just above or perhaps behind the blue object.

@ Neptune,
Thanks for clearing this up. You are right the open tube is in front of a regular converter.

@All
I am not frustrated at all.  It's been a nice ride.  There is one more thing to try before I quit completely with pyramid and concentrate on something more promising than this.  (Stublefield Earth Battery for example  :)).
Perhaps everyone missed some clues from TT himself. Reread please his post #76 ( http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg59766.html#msg59766 ) specially part about Wasseradern.  Those are also mentioned in Morray experiments as well as with Stublefield's and also mentioned in several writings about installers of telegraph lines. 
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 24, 2007, 09:54:28 PM

Perhaps everyone missed some clues from TT himself. Reread please his post #76 ( http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg59766.html#msg59766 ) specially part about Wasseradern.  Those are also mentioned in Morray experiments as well as with Stublefield's and also mentioned in several writings about installers of telegraph lines. 
George


@Pese

Wasseradern - Water Veins or underground rivers.

Is this the correct translation?

Does it have anything to do with an areas water table or is it only related to rivers?


-Duff

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 24, 2007, 10:03:56 PM

Perhaps everyone missed some clues from TT himself. Reread please his post #76 ( http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg59766.html#msg59766 ) specially part about Wasseradern.  Those are also mentioned in Morray experiments as well as with Stublefield's and also mentioned in several writings about installers of telegraph lines. 
George


@Pese




Wasseradern - Water Veins or underground rivers.

Is this the correct translation?

Does it have anything to do with an areas water table or is it only related to rivers?


-Duff


underbround rivers  (also smal or little rivers- more like "bach")  Water-"vein " is word by word translation..

I hold it also for possibel that it will not work on any place !

If this comes from "wasseradern" or from "knots" (lines- squares-knots- over the erth) , i dont know. If the firstone work , this person can experiment with this, and "introduce" us.



Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Megla on December 24, 2007, 10:59:47 PM
Can anyone conntact TT?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 24, 2007, 11:44:22 PM
Can anyone conntact TT?

Some of us have sent him pictures to prove our construction as he requested but I have gotten no response from him.

Don't know about the others....

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Megla on December 25, 2007, 01:03:31 AM
By us is 0:45. Jesus has come.
It is very strange, that TT talk no more. Maybe is this Pyramid yust another trick?

However for now Georgemay hunt yust local radiostations.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 25, 2007, 01:44:30 AM
I've been experimenting trying to find a good method of connecting the capacitor plates. What has made it difficult is copper readily absorbs all heat you apply and I was having a hard time getting enough heat in a localized spot to solder the connecting wire.

Here's what I've come up with.
 
First my plates are staggered as TT show in the sketch. I staggered them 3mm  but that is cutting it really close for this technique. If I did it again I'd go 4 or 5mm.

I drill a 1.3mm hole in the upper corner of the plate. This aids in getting the localized heated area.

Then turn that corner down so when I heat it the solder won't run back onto the plate and short against the adjacent plate. I then heat it with a butane micro torch (no solder tip) and when hot enough push a little solder into the hole (wire already in place).

Here's a picture - If someone has come up with something better I'd love to hear it.

Also here's a picture of my copper tubing assembly. What I've done is thread one end of the #10 wire which I am using to support the carbon rods. I've used flange bearings and nylon hole plugs to issolate the wire internally. This allows me to fasten the coils to the threaded wire with washers/nuts.



-Duff

Edit: Completed capacitor: 268pf

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: prohexima on December 25, 2007, 09:38:17 AM
Quote
In 1986, two French architects used electronic detectors inside the
Great Pyramid to try to locate hollow areas. They found that below
the passageway leading to the Queen?s Chamber was another chamber
3 meters wide by 5 meters. They bore a 1? hole and found a cavity
filled with crystalline silica (sand). They were not allowed to do any
further digging. No entrances to these areas have yet been found.
This sand was analyzed and found to contain more than 99% quartz
that varied in size between 100-400 microns. This kind of sand is
known as musical sand since it makes a sound like a whispering noise
when it is blown or walked on. It appears that this sand may come
from El Tur in southern Sinai, which is several hundred miles from
the Great Pyramid. Why would this type of sand be brought in from
such a large distance and placed in a sealed off chamber in the Great
Pyramid?


from the book "the complete pyramid sourcebook"

very interesting for me.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pg46 on December 26, 2007, 02:19:57 AM
Great workmanship there Duff.

Keep up with the good effort.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 26, 2007, 04:05:51 AM
@pg46 - Thanks


@all

Has anyone tried silver brazing yet?

I know Walt said he was going to try and see if he noted any difference.

Here' s a chart of cadmium free silver brazing alloys:
http://www.sarusilver.com/agcadfree.html#agcadfree

There are many different compositions of silver, copper & zinc. There is no way of knowing which TT used...
However this particular chart show Silver 55  is for use on any steels, copper and copper alloys, nickle and nickle alloys.


-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 26, 2007, 10:39:51 AM
Hi all,
her are a few picture of the now finished setup. I also include a video clip how the voltage rises. it starts with 0.03 and did go up above 0.5V but my camera memory stick was full thats why I could not take the full lenght.
what is strange on the video is the noise there was nothing running you can hear my odem and there is this strange tak, tak tak, what I did not hear as I took the clip.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 26, 2007, 10:52:18 AM
Hi duff,
I did braze the U part yesterday but have not complete it. I used the brazing material what is used to braze A/C copper pipes. I will report back as soon as I have tested it and compare to the results what I have just posted here above.
greetings
walt

@pg46 - Thanks


@all

Has anyone tried silver brazing yet?

I know Walt said he was going to try and see if he noted any difference.

Here' s a chart of cadmium free silver brazing alloys:
http://www.sarusilver.com/agcadfree.html#agcadfree

There are many different compositions of silver, copper & zinc. There is no way of knowing which TT used...
However this particular chart show Silver 55  is for use on any steels, copper and copper alloys, nickle and nickle alloys.


-Duff

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 26, 2007, 11:11:10 AM
Hi all,
maybe I should explaine the video, about in the middle I switch from DC to AC to see if there is anythings on AC but like you see it is only 0.004V. what is also strange that no matter which side I have thew output connected to positive or negative meter clamp it allways showes negative voltage .
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tinu on December 26, 2007, 11:12:02 AM
@Walter

Very nice setup. Congratulations!
(I might have one question about the right coil ? but that?s for another time)

Regarding the movie:
It seems like you?re having an electrical contact between the tubing (the core) and the central pipe and further to the pyramid frame. If this is the case, you basically measure the electro-chemical potential of the left graphite rod in respect to cupper in salt water, which is around 0.5V (it can go to 0.7-0.9V in certain circumstances). Please check it.

Many thanks,
Tinu
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 26, 2007, 11:13:51 AM
Hi tinu,
no there is no connection at all from the converter to the frame or negative or ground at all.
greetings
walt


@Walter

Very nice setup. Congratulations!
(I might have one question about the right coil ? but that?s for another time)

Regarding the movie:
It seems like you?re having an electrical contact between the tubing (the core) and the central pipe and further to the pyramid frame. If this is the case, you basically measure the electro-chemical potential of the left graphite rod in respect to cupper in salt water, which is around 0.5V (it can go to 0.7-0.9V in certain circumstances). Please check it.

Many thanks,
Tinu

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: vipond50 on December 26, 2007, 11:20:33 AM
Hello Walter, Nep, Tig, ect.
Sorry if i missed someone
@  Hope U all had a Very Merry Christmas

In all the research in this does anyone recall if Thomas stated that his device ran 24 hours/day or only part of the day or day light hours?
Does anyone know if he tested the unit with all the light off?

@Walter - Yes watched & listened to your vid (thanks) and did note the tak, tak  and a pulsing sound, very consistent sound almost like breathing. The noise also reminded me of the shuman(?)effect i have heard in the very low frequencies.
If possible can U do another video following the procedure that u did and see if the audio effect is present? U do not need to post it, but would be interesting to see if the effect is still present.

@ TIG or anyone - Have U done any work in the VLF audio range of the Earth atmosphere?

Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 26, 2007, 12:52:44 PM
what is strange on the video is the noise there was nothing running you can hear my odem and there is this strange tak, tak tak, what I did not hear as I took the clip.

This noise is strange. Does not sound like RF interference of a mobile phone. Were there other electronic or communication devices present ?

Is the converter electrically isolated from the pyramid frame ?

Is there a change in the voltage when you mount the gypsum boards ?
TT mentioned that without the gypsum boards, you would get only a few mV.

Do you still have the effect that the voltage changes significantly if you rotate the pyramid ?
Such changes would prove that the voltage is not from a galvanic source, but due to an outside source.

Brazing / silver: This brought me to the following idea: maybe someone could try to silver-plate the copper tubes (or use silver tubes, but i think those are hard to find ;)  ). Maybe the silver plays an important role.   ???
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 26, 2007, 05:04:30 PM
@All. Did some quick tests today, trying to detect Walts, Tak Tak sound from the pyramid. Using the pyramid with all 4 gypsum boards in place, I tried a portable radio at the focus , tuned to varios frequencies in the Medium[AM] band, and also VHF band[88to108Mhz]. Nothing heard. This is of course not conclusive. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" {James Randi] Can some one explain how to access Walter Hofmanns video? During above tests the onle thing inside the converter was the radio and some wood blocks, no converter.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tak22 on December 26, 2007, 06:58:31 PM
For those not finding power in their pyramid, here's a guy who says he did, but then got scared of it. ???

Maybe you can repeat his experiment and improve on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7VN6B2GjVI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7VN6B2GjVI)

Edit: More info on Les Brown and his pyramid experiments http://merlib.org/mirror/keelynet/energy/lbrown (http://merlib.org/mirror/keelynet/energy/lbrown)

tak
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: jeanna on December 26, 2007, 07:14:38 PM
Hi all,
maybe I should explaine the video, about in the middle I switch from DC to AC to see if there is anythings on AC but like you see it is only 0.004V. what is also strange that no matter which side I have thew output connected to positive or negative meter clamp it allways showes negative voltage .
greetings
walt
Thanks for the video, Walter.
I don't have time to look for it now, but I think TT said to HANG the converter from the apex of the frame. This means to me that the converter does not touch the ground below the center point. Perhaps I am wrong. It looks to me as though your converter is being supported from below by the pipe. It is hard to tell;
Of all the things that might be changed about the design, this non connection to the ground in line with the apex seems important. If the charge needs to come inside the shape of the pyramid I would think it needs to bang around inside a bit and not go straight down into the earth/ I think the pyramid as a shape is more than a simple antenna

good work,

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: CLaNZeR on December 26, 2007, 07:46:30 PM
For those not finding power in their pyramid, here's a guy who says he did, but then got scared of it. ???

tak

Thanks for the interesting links Tak

Cheers

Sean.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: CLaNZeR on December 26, 2007, 08:05:27 PM
Interesting this Les Brown Chap and his Pyramids.

Been hunting around and reading loads when came across this page, looks like the same Les Brown.

http://www.holyconservancy.org/789005.htm

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 26, 2007, 10:45:53 PM
Hi jeanna,
 no nor the middle pipe and or the pyramide frame is connected to the ground or the converter. like you can see the pyramide stays on thick cardboard. the converter just hangs on a plastic electrical clamp on the center pipe which also does not touch the cardboard.
the capacitor is wraped in this very thick electrical shrink tape.
greetings
walt


Hi all,
maybe I should explaine the video, about in the middle I switch from DC to AC to see if there is anythings on AC but like you see it is only 0.004V. what is also strange that no matter which side I have thew output connected to positive or negative meter clamp it allways showes negative voltage .
greetings
walt
Thanks for the video, Walter.
I don't have time to look for it now, but I think TT said to HANG the converter from the apex of the frame. This means to me that the converter does not touch the ground below the center point. Perhaps I am wrong. It looks to me as though your converter is being supported from below by the pipe. It is hard to tell;
Of all the things that might be changed about the design, this non connection to the ground in line with the apex seems important. If the charge needs to come inside the shape of the pyramid I would think it needs to bang around inside a bit and not go straight down into the earth/ I think the pyramid as a shape is more than a simple antenna

good work,

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 26, 2007, 10:46:45 PM
Hi jeanna,
 no nor the middle pipe and or the pyramide frame is connected to the ground or the converter. like you can see the pyramide stays on thick cardboard. the converter just hangs on a plastic electrical clamp on the center pipe which also does not touch the cardboard.
the capacitor is wraped in this very thick electrical shrink tape.
greetings
walt


Hi all,
maybe I should explaine the video, about in the middle I switch from DC to AC to see if there is anythings on AC but like you see it is only 0.004V. what is also strange that no matter which side I have thew output connected to positive or negative meter clamp it allways showes negative voltage .
greetings
walt
Thanks for the video, Walter.
I don't have time to look for it now, but I think TT said to HANG the converter from the apex of the frame. This means to me that the converter does not touch the ground below the center point. Perhaps I am wrong. It looks to me as though your converter is being supported from below by the pipe. It is hard to tell;
Of all the things that might be changed about the design, this non connection to the ground in line with the apex seems important. If the charge needs to come inside the shape of the pyramid I would think it needs to bang around inside a bit and not go straight down into the earth/ I think the pyramid as a shape is more than a simple antenna

good work,

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: jeanna on December 27, 2007, 05:39:09 AM
Walter
Do you have a magnet?

I wonder what would happen if you were to put a magnet right where Thomas lately said was a trick. Just in case SAYING THAT was a trick.
 and thank you for clearing this picture up. I think you have made a true and beautiful replica. I think it should work.

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: passion1 on December 27, 2007, 07:47:59 AM
Tak22 & CLanZeR

Very interesting video and article!!

I quote from Les Brown's book:
"Using these (the Great Pyramid of Cheops) proportions, any pyramid will function in unison with the natural elements that we enjoy, the natural elements that keep us alive and the world in balance. Change this ratio of measurement and you will drop below par in performance. The further you deviate from this formula the less performance you will get. Of course, we cannot build a pyramid as large as the northern hemisphere, but whatever size is built, if built in correct ration to the Great Pyramid of Cheops, it will give 100 percent performance."

Les Brown gave a few examples of the perfect proportions
e.g.  Height = 4 ft, Sides = 5 ft 11 in, Base = 6 ft 3 in

For all the examples he gave, the ratio for
Height : Base = 0.64 and the ratio for
Sides : Base = 0.94666

e.g.  Height = 4 feet, Sides = 5 ft 11 in (5.91666), Base = 6 ft 3 in (6.25)

5.91666 / 6.25 = 0.94666

4 / 6.25 = 0.64

TT specified all sides to be equal lenghts of 1 m.
According to Les Brown these dimensions will result in below par performance.
For the TT model, the ideal proportions would be

Base = 1 meter
Sides = 94.666 cm
Height = 64 cm
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: spacetrax on December 27, 2007, 07:49:30 AM
Hi all,
her are a few picture of the now finished setup. I also include a video clip how the voltage rises. it starts with 0.03 and did go up above 0.5V but my camera memory stick was full thats why I could not take the full lenght.
what is strange on the video is the noise there was nothing running you can hear my odem and there is this strange tak, tak tak, what I did not hear as I took the clip.
greetings
walt

Very nice, congratulations!
Maybe you should connect a load to increase the output, a small fan or something, like TT did.
Keep up the good work!
Spacetrax
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 27, 2007, 11:35:08 AM
Hi all,
here are the next results: I did switch on the meter yesterday morning and took a video clip. now the voltage started ij this moment by 0.02V and di go up to 0.4V and then it jumps back to 0.00V like it had dumped the voltage somewhere and starts again till 0.4V and so on for many times .
it was totaly quite I took the video then to my computer and the only what I could hear in the foreground was my breathing and some movement noise from me and a background noise and then I cranked my speaker up and there the background noise was like a train in the far. It was very early in the morning and dark outside I have made it so early to make sure nothing comes from the outside, I live in a rural area on 2 acre .there was not enough light to see the meter movement on the video but this was not importand the noise was.
I will do the same tonight to see if the noise changes again, maybe a high pitch or so or nothing at all.I also wana put the end capacitor together to see what this changes
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 27, 2007, 11:49:20 AM
he hey that woud be something but I can try this with a magnet just for fun.
greetings
walt


Walter
Do you have a magnet?

I wonder what would happen if you were to put a magnet right where Thomas lately said was a trick. Just in case SAYING THAT was a trick.
 and thank you for clearing this picture up. I think you have made a true and beautiful replica. I think it should work.

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 27, 2007, 11:51:25 AM
hi spacetrax,
this what comes next to put a load on it to see if this changes anythings.
greetingsa
walt


Hi all,
her are a few picture of the now finished setup. I also include a video clip how the voltage rises. it starts with 0.03 and did go up above 0.5V but my camera memory stick was full thats why I could not take the full lenght.
what is strange on the video is the noise there was nothing running you can hear my odem and there is this strange tak, tak tak, what I did not hear as I took the clip.
greetings
walt

Very nice, congratulations!
Maybe you should connect a load to increase the output, a small fan or something, like TT did.
Keep up the good work!
Spacetrax
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Gustav22 on December 27, 2007, 12:47:13 PM
Hi Walter,

thank you very much for the efforts you make and for reporting your results.
Did I understand your setup correctly:

1.) As I understand you have connected each carbon/graphite rod  to its coil. Then you have connected the ends of both coils to the SAME plate of the central cap. This goes to the plus of your DMM (digital multi meter).
Please confirm.

2.) The other plate of the central cap is connected to the pyramid steel frame. This goes to the neg. of your DMM.
Please confirm.

3.) The copper tubing of the pickup.
Is it completely isolated from all other components or is it connected to one side of the central cap?
Please confirm.

4.) Your converter is located at a height of 225 mm between your cardboard base plate and the center point of the cap.
Please confirm.

Sorry.
I am aware that all of this has been asked before, but I find no concise description of your current setup, which seems the best setup anyone has come up with so far.
Thanks again.

edit: the above description was wrong. Walter has confirmed the following setup:

1.) Each carbon/graphite rod  is connected to its coil. Then the lower end of the left coil is connected to front plate of the central cap. The lower end of the right coil is connected to the other face plate of the central cap. The left coil goes to the plus of  the DVM (digital volt meter).

2.) The copper tubing of the pickup is floating (i.e. it has no electrical connection to anything).

3.) The neg. of the DVM is connected to the steel frame of the pyramid.

4.) The converter is located at a height of 200 mm between cardboard base plate and the center point of the central cap.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 28, 2007, 12:24:35 AM
Hi gustav22,
no my setup is the following each of the graphite rods are connected to the coil on each side the end of each of this coils are connected to  one of the capacitor end plates no connection of any part of the converter is connected to the pyramid frame or ground or negative of the DVM. the positive of the DVM is conected to the left side connection between the graphite rod and the coil. the location of the centerpoint of the capacitor is 200mm from the base.
I hop this clears up your question. But the output is very unstabile during different times of the day and even between days.
greetings
walt


Hi Walter,

thank you very much for the efforts you make and for reporting your results.
Did I understand your setup correctly:

1.) As I understand you have connected each carbon/graphite rod  to its coil. Then you have connected the ends of both coils to the SAME plate of the central cap. This goes to the plus of your DMM (digital multi meter).
Please confirm.

2.) The other plate of the central cap is connected to the pyramid steel frame. This goes to the neg. of your DMM.
Please confirm.

3.) The copper tubing of the pickup.
Is it completely isolated from all other components or is it connected to one side of the central cap?
Please confirm.

4.) Your converter is located at a height of 225 mm between your cardboard base plate and the center point of the cap.
Please confirm.

Sorry.
I am aware that all of this has been asked before, but I find no concise description of your current setup, which seems the best setup anyone has come up with so far.
Thanks again.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 28, 2007, 12:47:14 AM
Hi all,
here is a short video for all the courious guys in regards to what happens if a magnet is put close to the converter.
because the converter with the two coils on the vertical pipes gave no room to put the magnet right on this part I thoughd just put it on the vertical pipe because a magnet would stick to it and look the results
just amazing.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 28, 2007, 01:03:30 AM
@ Walter:

Was your meter set to read in volts?  254 vdc????? Incredible.!!

@ Jeanna:

Baby, you are a genius!!!!  The trick was in SAYING it was a trick.  You would make a good private investigator.

Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 28, 2007, 01:05:30 AM
Hi bill,
no it is 254mV, this DVM is the kind of automatic it switches over to the next higher seting automaticaly
greetings
walt

@ Walter:

Was your meter set to read in volts?  254 vdc????? Incredible.!!

@ Jeanna:

Baby, you are a genius!!!!  The trick was in SAYING it was a trick.  You would make a good private investigator.

Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: jeanna on December 28, 2007, 01:38:18 AM
Hi all,
here is a short video for all the courious guys in regards to what happens if a magnet is put close to the converter.
because the converter with the two coils on the vertical pipes gave no room to put the magnet right on this part I thoughd just put it on the vertical pipe because a magnet would stick to it and look the results
just amazing.
greetings
walt

OMG!
wow. Is that volts?
Oh I see your answer to Pirate. mv

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 28, 2007, 11:22:58 AM

Hi gustav22,
thats correct
greetingsa
walt
Hi Walter,

thank you very much for the efforts you make and for reporting your results.
Did I understand your setup correctly:

1.) As I understand you have connected each carbon/graphite rod  to its coil. Then you have connected the ends of both coils to the SAME plate of the central cap. This goes to the plus of your DMM (digital multi meter).
Please confirm.

2.) The other plate of the central cap is connected to the pyramid steel frame. This goes to the neg. of your DMM.
Please confirm.

3.) The copper tubing of the pickup.
Is it completely isolated from all other components or is it connected to one side of the central cap?
Please confirm.

4.) Your converter is located at a height of 225 mm between your cardboard base plate and the center point of the cap.
Please confirm.

Sorry.
I am aware that all of this has been asked before, but I find no concise description of your current setup, which seems the best setup anyone has come up with so far.
Thanks again.

edit: the above description was wrong. Walter has confirmed the following setup:

1.) Each carbon/graphite rod  is connected to its coil. Then the lower end of the left coil is connected to front plate of the central cap. The lower end of the right coil is connected to the other face plate of the central cap. The left coil goes to the plus of  the DVM (digital volt meter).

2.) The copper tubing of the pickup is floating (i.e. it has no electrical connection to anything).

3.) The neg. of the DVM is connected to the steel frame of the pyramid.

4.) The converter is located at a height of 200 mm between cardboard base plate and the center point of the central cap.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 28, 2007, 04:52:37 PM
@ Walt, congrats on your magnet results, and also to Jeanna for his input. I am not in a position to do much with my set-up at the moment because work is megga busy and the wife's brother is in hospital 70 miles away and we have to visit him. it has occurred to me that although walt`s results are impressive, the odds against him having achieved the optimum magnetic field in the right place are very small. therefore more experiments are needed here. One possibility is to use the magnets from the magnetron of a microwave oven. These are toroid shaped, [circular with a hole]. What I shall try is to place one on each side of the copper frame above my coils. |One north pole up, and one south pole up. Then I shall reverse each magnet and compare results. I f anyone who has a converter with removable top piece beats me to it., that is OK by me A stronger field could be achieved by using 2 magnets each side, one above the coil and one below. This one experiment has given me much enthusiasm to continue .
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: jeanna on December 28, 2007, 07:35:34 PM
it has occurred to me that although walt`s results are impressive, the odds against him having achieved the optimum magnetic field in the right place are very small. therefore more experiments are needed here. One possibility is to use the magnets from the magnetron of a microwave oven. These are toroid shaped, [circular with a hole]. What I shall try is to place one on each side of the copper frame above my coils. |One north pole up, and one south pole up. Then I shall reverse each magnet and compare results. I f anyone who has a converter with removable top piece beats me to it., that is OK by me A stronger field could be achieved by using 2 magnets each side, one above the coil and one below. This one experiment has given me much enthusiasm to continue .

These sound like good suggestions to me.
I won't have access to any welding equipment until the end of january and I am a beginner so it will take me longer. So, I just want to share another idea that I cannot try.

In the 60's and 70's Patrick Flanagan did many seminal experiments on the pyramid. In one of his conclusions, he says that the magnetic field is very important to the working of the pyramid. And he showed that by directing a magnetic field toward the pyramid perpendicular to any base in any orientation and getting the better results. He was not checking for electrical power but since this working model is here ready to tap the something I would love to see what happens if the a magnet is directed toward the pyramid FROM THE OUTSIDE.

Just another idea on my wish list. It will be a while before I can try it.

This is so exciting!!!

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 28, 2007, 10:40:37 PM
Hi all
at the end of my magnet tests, I did the following: I put verry powerfull magnets on to the frame with the magnet on top of the converter ( no change)
I put 8 powerfull magnets outside the pyramide frame ( no chnage)
the same without the magnet on the converter ( nothing)
then I took the whole converter outside the pyramide about 6 feet away and put magnets like above (no change ) but the converter allone worked like inside the pyramide frame, if I connect a seperated ground the voltage goes down.
this was the end of the magnet tests what I do. Oh I also tested with the magnets from magnetron one above , one below the converter inside the pyramide nothing not like with the rectangular magnets.
tomorrow if I got time I will test a few super caps as end capacitor, one with 1 farad, 2 with 70 farad paralell, to see if they would be charged.
greetings
walt


it has occurred to me that although walt`s results are impressive, the odds against him having achieved the optimum magnetic field in the right place are very small. therefore more experiments are needed here. One possibility is to use the magnets from the magnetron of a microwave oven. These are toroid shaped, [circular with a hole]. What I shall try is to place one on each side of the copper frame above my coils. |One north pole up, and one south pole up. Then I shall reverse each magnet and compare results. I f anyone who has a converter with removable top piece beats me to it., that is OK by me A stronger field could be achieved by using 2 magnets each side, one above the coil and one below. This one experiment has given me much enthusiasm to continue .

These sound like good suggestions to me.
I won't have access to any welding equipment until the end of january and I am a beginner so it will take me longer. So, I just want to share another idea that I cannot try.

In the 60's and 70's Patrick Flanagan did many seminal experiments on the pyramid. In one of his conclusions, he says that the magnetic field is very important to the working of the pyramid. And he showed that by directing a magnetic field toward the pyramid perpendicular to any base in any orientation and getting the better results. He was not checking for electrical power but since this working model is here ready to tap the something I would love to see what happens if the a magnet is directed toward the pyramid FROM THE OUTSIDE.

Just another idea on my wish list. It will be a while before I can try it.

This is so exciting!!!

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: jeanna on December 29, 2007, 04:11:45 AM
Thanks Walt

You do good work.

jeanna
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: spacetrax on December 29, 2007, 07:47:29 AM
Hi,
I still don?t believe that the magnet plays an important role in this setup. OK, the voltage rises, but this doesn?t mean that it will produce some amperage...
Walt, you should put a load on the output, and also connect the long 2-plate-capacitor before you can get some decent output, I guess...unless the long capacitor was also a kind of a trick, meant to hide the real principle.
The fact that the voltage sharply decreases when the pyramid is earthed is quite mind-boggling. Normally the earth should provide the pyramid with some free electrons, but in this case it seems to act like a deep throat  >:(, swallowing all the energy the pyramid produces...
It?s a pitty that TT does not say anything anymore. Actually I believe now that he never wanted to disclose the principle.
BUT we can reinvent the wheel  ;) 

Cheers,
Spacetrax
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 29, 2007, 04:25:03 PM

Fri Dec 14, 2007 - Thomas states: "I found out, that there are some guys posting to my descriptions absolutely false details. This is not because they are stupid, this is because they want to prevent success."

It appears nobody has bothered to track down who he might be referring to and where you have been lead astray but YOU HAVE TAKEN A WRONG TURN.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 29, 2007, 08:15:43 PM
I figured out a construction method for the capacitor without a need for soldering the copper plates.   :)

I used 0.5 mm copper because i couldn't find 1 mm, and it's easier to cut.
Central screws are M4 nylon screws, contact screws are M3.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 29, 2007, 09:17:10 PM
@ skywatcher:

Nice fabrication work there. Very impressive.

Bill
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 29, 2007, 09:33:46 PM
Nice fabrication, yes, I agree, but it worths a slightly bit more than nothing!!!
We are here to make art, not science!!!
Tigrotto
P.S. About two months ago we started this "project". no results and I told you why! Everyone is free to go ahead !!! Even if in from of him it is a wall!
tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 29, 2007, 09:42:57 PM
P.S. About two months ago we started this "project". no results and I told you why! Everyone is free to go ahead !!! Even if in from of him it is a wall!

You may be right, but when i have started a project, i will bring it to the end, regardless of positive or negative results.
Even negative results are results. And i want to see it with my own eyes.

I had already bought most of the material before TT vanished, so it would be sensless to throw it away without even trying it.

Only if the whole case would be a 100% hoax, experimenting would be completely senseless.
If this thing ever worked, then there is a chance of reproducing it, even if this chance is very low (in this point, i agree with you).   :)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 29, 2007, 10:05:10 PM
nice work.
but there will be a probleme if this works as a cpacitor then the value would be different because the plate area counts.
greetings
walt

I figured out a construction method for the capacitor without a need for soldering the copper plates.   :)

I used 0.5 mm copper because i couldn't find 1 mm, and it's easier to cut.
Central screws are M4 nylon screws, contact screws are M3.


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 29, 2007, 10:06:49 PM
no results and I told you why!
tigrotto

Hi Tigrotto,
I didn't have any positive results.  Rather pyramid is sucking all the power from the setup,  like it is connected backwards.  Maybe you will have a suggestion how to rearrange it a bit so we could try some different ideas.

Thanks,
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 29, 2007, 10:09:11 PM
hi spacetrax,
you are probably right that the magnet does not count for mutch, thats why I only did this as a favor and for fun.
in regards to the grounding TT says in one of the first posts that he only grounded the pyramid for security reason and in the video the pyramide is not grounded ether. I will seee what the big capacitor has to do.
greetings
walt


Hi,
I still don?t believe that the magnet plays an important role in this setup. OK, the voltage rises, but this doesn?t mean that it will produce some amperage...
Walt, you should put a load on the output, and also connect the long 2-plate-capacitor before you can get some decent output, I guess...unless the long capacitor was also a kind of a trick, meant to hide the real principle.
The fact that the voltage sharply decreases when the pyramid is earthed is quite mind-boggling. Normally the earth should provide the pyramid with some free electrons, but in this case it seems to act like a deep throat  >:(, swallowing all the energy the pyramid produces...
It?s a pitty that TT does not say anything anymore. Actually I believe now that he never wanted to disclose the principle.
BUT we can reinvent the wheel  ;) 

Cheers,
Spacetrax
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 29, 2007, 10:11:20 PM
nice work.
but there will be a probleme if this works as a cpacitor then the value would be different because the plate area counts.
greetings
walt


Walter, I believe only overlapping area counts, not the whole area
see http://deepfriedneon.com/tesla_f_calccap.html
 (http://deepfriedneon.com/tesla_f_calccap.html)
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 29, 2007, 10:34:08 PM
Hi guys,
with all the partially confusing post what TT said or posted I was going over the first couple post of him and there ar a few major comments:
1. as allreadfy posted he said the grounding of the pyramide was just a security measurement
2. he said that  "he dont know why version V 5 doesnt work even if version four ( see video) works perfect now who says version V6 or version V 12 did or will work?
3. I examine the high res picture from the video about the converter and there are major difference like a few have allready figure out:
the two rods inside the vertical pipes are direcktly connected over 1 turn on the top , then it goes down as insulated wire between the plates and it doesnt seam to be connected to the plates ( no soldering to see)this end is direct connected to the small coil and this one is directly connected to the big coil and then to the connector copper strip on to the big plates cap. the left side is a bit fuzzy but if I see it right then a wire from the middle cap goes to the connector to the big plate cap too.
what means to me: the rods are coupled over a 1 turn coil , the two coils are in serie  and what is sure is that one connection of the cap goes directly to the output cap ev. but not sure the midle caps is like paralell with the coils.
I will try this original setup first the copper pipe frame is much bigger, the two coil are 5 turn and 20 turns the middle capacitor has a size of 45 X 75mm and only three plates.
if anythings works at all then this one has to.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 29, 2007, 11:19:13 PM
nice work.
but there will be a probleme if this works as a cpacitor then the value would be different because the plate area counts.

You mean because of the additional area of the L-shaped plates ?

The additional area doesn't count because on every side in this area only plates of the same polarity are present.
Additionally, the additional area is very small compared to the main area of the plates.

The spacing between the plates is 1 mm, as specified. The main area of the plates is 35 mm x 70 mm, as specified.
Only the thickness of the plates is 0.5 mm, but this doesn't have any effect regarding capacity.

Generally, i don't think that the actual values of any measurement is really important for the function. If this would be the case, the chance for TT to find this values by chance only by experimenting would be virtually zero. If it works, it also works with different measurements and proportions, maybe with slightly reduced output, but it would work. Even TT confirmed this in the discussion how to measure the height of the pyramid frame.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 30, 2007, 12:07:54 AM

Fri Dec 14, 2007 - Thomas states: "I found out, that there are some guys posting to my descriptions absolutely false details. This is not because they are stupid, this is because they want to prevent success."

It appears nobody has bothered to track down who he might be referring to and where you have been lead astray but YOU HAVE TAKEN A WRONG TURN.

I need to be clear about somethings though I know it is going to ruffle some feathers.

In most cases YOU CAN NOT CHANGE ANYTHING  IN AN REPLICATION ATTEMPT!

MOST OF YOU STILL DON'T GET IT!!!

Though something looks like a capacitor it doesn't mean that that's how it functioning in this device. It's size and shape in its environment counts.

You can't take T-Fittings and change the way they are oriented in a device and expect to have the same device.

You can't change wire sizes, etc.... and the list goes on....

NOTHING SHOULD BE CHANGED IN A REPLICATION

Thomas gave us a white paper on the V6. This is much more precise information than existed when  this thread was started. Why is it that you CANNOT simply follow a design specification that has been given to you?

There may appear to be gray areas in that paper but if you follow the instruction in the ORDER that  he laid it out, in most cases, you arrive at only one logical conclusion as to what he meant.



Now, the above has nothing to do with the QUOTE.

You guys can go ahead as if nothing has happened but you HAVE MADE A WRONG TURN.

This is basically Thomas's statement not mine. You can not ignore this and expect to come up with a working device.

I think I know when it occurred and what it was but I'm not going to state it here. Why?

Because if I were wrong then I'd be leading you down a wrong path.

Go back and read prior to DEC 14.

I believe it is a major misinterpretation of construction of the device and what he stated in the V6 plan.

As I stated in a post a while back - Don't ask someone else in the forum how to construct this device. You need to read, understand and follow Thomas's instructions. Then test your device and share your constructions details so we can all learn and move forward with this.


I believe 100% that Thomas gave us enough information to replicate this and if your device does not work then YOU MUST HAVE CHANGED SOMETHING.




Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 30, 2007, 12:31:37 AM
Hi duff,
very nice defense. I agree with you totally in regards to changinmg anythings on a replica, but what should be replicated????? V6 ??? there was never a actual result given by TT nor any picture or values, WOW.
like mentioned before I did build after the  what you call "white paper" and did not see what I should , "what should I see"????
after not seeing the results expected I started carefully to change some portion and I believe I am right because now slowly I see some resluts even if it is just less.
I believe thats the way how any new ( or very old) discovery can be replicated  during testing and understand what is happen when.
greetings
walt



Fri Dec 14, 2007 - Thomas states: "I found out, that there are some guys posting to my descriptions absolutely false details. This is not because they are stupid, this is because they want to prevent success."

It appears nobody has bothered to track down who he might be referring to and where you have been lead astray but YOU HAVE TAKEN A WRONG TURN.

I need to be clear about somethings though I know it is going to ruffle some feathers.

In most cases YOU CAN NOT CHANGE ANYTHING  IN AN REPLICATION ATTEMPT!

MOST OF YOU STILL DON'T GET IT!!!

Though something looks like a capacitor it doesn't mean that that's how it functioning in this device. It's size and shape in its environment counts.

You can't take T-Fittings and change the way they are oriented in a device and expect to have the same device.

You can't change wire sizes, etc.... and the list goes on....

NOTHING SHOULD BE CHANGED IN A REPLICATION

Thomas gave us a white paper on the V6. This is much more precise information than existed when  this thread was started. Why is it that you CANNOT simply follow a design specification that has been given to you?

There may appear to be gray areas in that paper but if you follow the instruction in the ORDER that  he laid it out, in most cases, you arrive at only one logical conclusion as to what he meant.



Now, the above has nothing to do with the QUOTE.

You guys can go ahead as if nothing has happened but you HAVE MADE A WRONG TURN.

This is basically Thomas's statement not mine. You can not ignore this and expect to come up with a working device.

I think I know when it occurred and what it was but I'm not going to state it here. Why?

Because if I were wrong then I'd be leading you down a wrong path.

Go back and read prior to DEC 14.

I believe it is a major misinterpretation of construction of the device and what he stated in the V6 plan.

As I stated in a post a while back - Don't ask someone else in the forum how to construct this device. You need to read, understand and follow Thomas's instructions. Then test your device and share your constructions details so we can all learn and move forward with this.


I believe 100% that Thomas gave us enough information to replicate this and if your device does not work then YOU MUST HAVE CHANGED SOMETHING.





Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 30, 2007, 12:41:53 AM
Here we go with the basic mechanics of the converter.   ;D

The 4 mm polystyrol plates with the capacitor built-in between them fit almost perfectly around the 12 mm copper tubes. 

The converter can easily be disassembled because the upper junctions are not soldered.
I have drilled 10 mm holes on the upper side to get good access to the contact points of the graphite rods, while maintaining the original construction with the wires leaving the converter to the left and right side. The holes can easily be closed by putting copper foil above them and fixing it with tape.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 30, 2007, 01:22:33 AM
Hi duff,
very nice defense. I agree with you totally in regards to changinmg anythings on a replica, but what should be replicated????? V6 ??? there was never a actual result given by TT nor any picture or values, WOW.
like mentioned before I did build after the  what you call "white paper" and did not see what I should , "what should I see"????
after not seeing the results expected I started carefully to change some portion and I believe I am right because now slowly I see some resluts even if it is just less.
I believe thats the way how any new ( or very old) discovery can be replicated  during testing and understand what is happen when.
greetings
walt


Hi Walter,

I think that the most complete instructions are for the V6 and therefore what we should try to replicate. Thomas thought by releasing that information he was protecting himself. So surely it is correct.

If yours did not work then you must have interpreted something wrong.

Please go back and read the discussion several days before Dec 14.

Kind Regards,


-Duff

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 30, 2007, 04:00:49 AM

@skywatcher

Very nice construction - I especially like your innovative capacitor design.

I hope it works...

Oh, and I really appreciated you helping me out with the angles on the apex sometime back.

Thanks,

-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Gustav22 on December 30, 2007, 10:51:26 AM

Fri Dec 14, 2007 - Thomas states: "I found out, that there are some guys posting to my descriptions absolutely false details. This is not because they are stupid, this is because they want to prevent success."

It appears nobody has bothered to track down who he might be referring to and where you have been lead astray but YOU HAVE TAKEN A WRONG TURN.
...
.... you HAVE MADE A WRONG TURN....
...
I think I know when it occurred ....

Hi Duff,
thanks for sharing your thoughts, photos etc.
Please keep it up.

I am aware that I have introduced several shortcuts in my build, and I am not proud of it.
However...
Regarding the "wrong turn": Are you referring to Thomas' statement that the graphite rods should be able to move and be hung up in a way so that their position is not fixed? (So that they eventually can oscillate together with the sand)?

If you feel there is another wrong turn, I would like to know what you mean.
Thanks
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 30, 2007, 11:49:15 AM
Hi duff,
did you build the V6 and posted the pic and the results somewhere???
I did build the V6 to the point and posted the pic and video like I said the results are not what expected.
I did re-read all the old post's from TT and did carefully follow even the discussion on his site as it was still open for this reason and took every detail in. But TT did not show any pics or more then his description maybe he left something out, I dont know and probably never will. the discussion was not the practical kind.
the only what we realy have is the video and explanation therefor thats why I wana rebuild this version to have a comparisson start.
TT even said that the v6 is just to train the real V 12 would be much easier what is wrong there?
I feel because I have posted my real test results good or bad now it starts here again that everybody who does not report the same results like TT would be offended thats probably why less and less guys report here anythings anymore.
I mean to lecture anybody its easy but to do it self and show is another story.
greetigns
walt


Hi duff,
very nice defense. I agree with you totally in regards to changinmg anythings on a replica, but what should be replicated????? V6 ??? there was never a actual result given by TT nor any picture or values, WOW.
like mentioned before I did build after the  what you call "white paper" and did not see what I should , "what should I see"????
after not seeing the results expected I started carefully to change some portion and I believe I am right because now slowly I see some resluts even if it is just less.
I believe thats the way how any new ( or very old) discovery can be replicated  during testing and understand what is happen when.
greetings
walt


Hi Walter,

I think that the most complete instructions are for the V6 and therefore what we should try to replicate. Thomas thought by releasing that information he was protecting himself. So surely it is correct.

If yours did not work then you must have interpreted something wrong.

Please go back and read the discussion several days before Dec 14.

Kind Regards,


-Duff


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 30, 2007, 11:53:23 AM
Hi skywatcher,
nice clean work. somehow it seams to me that the capacitor or pipe frame has different sizes then mine because if you compare my picture there is more room at the sides for the coil's which should be 25mm in diameter.
but anyway try it I am courious what your results are.
greetings
walt

Here we go with the basic mechanics of the converter.   ;D

The 4 mm polystyrol plates with the capacitor built-in between them fit almost perfectly around the 12 mm copper tubes. 

The converter can easily be disassembled because the upper junctions are not soldered.
I have drilled 10 mm holes on the upper side to get good access to the contact points of the graphite rods, while maintaining the original construction with the wires leaving the converter to the left and right side. The holes can easily be closed by putting copper foil above them and fixing it with tape.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 30, 2007, 11:59:19 AM

I wish you all a Happy new year and lots of success.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Gustav22 on December 30, 2007, 12:45:22 PM
Hi Walter,
From your postings I got the impression that you observed certain results when your converter was placed at a certain height in the pyramid structure.
These results were voltage fluctuations in the mV range which only occurred when the converter was in the pyramid structure (if we don't consider the experiments with the magnets).

Is this correct?
If this is correct, then I would consider your attempts successful.

Thomas clearly stated in an answer to Tigrotto that without the gypsum plates we will only get mVs.
Did you try with gypsum plates?
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 30, 2007, 12:59:33 PM
Happy new year to everybody. @ Walter Hofmann. We all admire you for the amount of work done, and the way you have posted results. I would agree, as I posted some days ago, that if one has gone as far as possible with a v6 and got limited results, then maybe it is time to try a v4. Keep your v6 converter, it doesn't eat anything, and give the v4 a chance. I have spent hours trying to come up with a final circuit diagram for  v4. It would be nice if anyone could post their version of a v4 diagram.
         @Duff, I agree with all you say about replication, but different materials are available in different countries, so some differences will occur. The trouble is we do not know what details are important, and which are not. Also, it is best if different people try different things. I too, remarked earlier about the graphite rods being free to oscillate. If you think we have missed something, please do tell. After all we can then consider what you say and form our own opinions.
          Somewhere on the internet, I read that water stored in a pyramid overnight boils in half the time of normal water. The pyramid used was entirely non metallic. Tests in my TT pyramid showed no difference in boiling time.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 30, 2007, 01:51:26 PM
somehow it seams to me that the capacitor or pipe frame has different sizes then mine because if you compare my picture there is more room at the sides for the coil's which should be 25mm in diameter.

Yes... i said this as you posted the pictures of your converter the first time... my converter has exactly the specified dimensions (100 mm width, 120 mm height, measured on the outside of the 12 mm tubes). The capacitor is also exactly as specified, 35 mm x 70 mm (plus the contact area).

Back to the capacitor: yesterday was the question about getting the right capacity. I think there is always a 5% or even 10% error to expect, because although you can make the area of the plates quite exactly, but the spacing between them also influences the capacity directly, and with a specified spacing of 1 mm you can never get it with an absolute error of 0.05 mm or 0.1 mm. So the plate spacing is the biggest source of tolerances in the capacitor. But even commercial capacitors have tolerances of 5% (if they are good) or even 10%.

I don't think that someone gave TT a plan with all the dimensions, so i'm sure they developed 'by chance'.

He didn't use 20 mm steel pipes because this is the only dimension with works, but because it was the only dimension he had in his garage. ;) 
If he only had 25 mm steel pipes, he would have used them as well, and they also would have worked as well. Same with all the other materials, i think. He used 1 mm copper plates for the capacitor because he had them. Of course there might be optimal values for some of the dimensions, which lead to more or less output, but the effect itself (if there is any) will remain the same over a wide range of dimensions and permutations of them.

He stated that e.g. the height of the pyramid is not much important, and only leads to a few % change in the output.

I think, if the effect is for real, then it depends only on some (very few) basic configurations. TT even used different configurations for the converter, and they all worked. V4 looks completely different compared to V6, and both configurations work. V12 would have even another configuration (which we don't know yet), and it worked too. And it worked even better than V6, so we know that V6 is *not* the optimal configuration.

So i think that it's an advantage to slightly vary TT's description of the V6 to get success.

If we all would build *exactly* the same construction, then it would be quite senseless, because then *all* of us would be successful (this would be the best, but most unlikely result), or that *all* of us would be unsuccessful.

But when everybody has a slightly different construction, the chance that one of us will be successful is much higher.


Then the others could change to the exact construction parameters of this person and move forward.

I think this is the best strategy in the given situation, now that we don't have anyone to ask how to do the details.

We don't even know if the 'V6 white paper' is correct in all aspects. As i understood, it was written by more than one person, and TT only authorized it. He might have overlooked some errors. I remember one occasion in his forum where i asked him about the focus point of the pyramid, gave him a drawing i did, and he said this was OK. But it wasn't, as i discovered later. He got so many questions that he didn't have enough time to look closely to each questions, and so he might have 'confirmed' some things that have not been correct.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 30, 2007, 02:11:07 PM
Some remarks to duff:

You are right: replicating exactly an existing prototype is the best way to be successful.

But: to do this, you should have access to this prototype, enough informations about it, and someone to ask.

All this is not the case. We don't even have photos of V6. We have almost nothing, only a text which TT not even has written himself.

I also don't understand, if he HAS a working V6 prototype, and had working on it FOR YEARS, how can it be that he doesn't have photos, and he doesn't have posted them ?  It would be the first thing i would do, because making some photos is much less effort than writing a text, and one picture's worth is more than thousand words, as you know.  ;)

There is no excuse for making no photos. Today everyone has digital cameras with sufficient resolution. It only takes seconds to make a picture. I'm documenting all steps of my construction work with the camera, not only for the forum, but also for ME.

Not doing this would be highly unprofessional.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 30, 2007, 02:22:39 PM
Here is a photo of my converter where you can see the dimensions much better:

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 30, 2007, 04:52:45 PM
Has anyone tried different types of graphite rods and looked for differences ?    ???

I have read once again the V6 spec which was posted by TT himself in his own forum.
I'm refering to the german version, because as TT's native language is German, in would expect less errors in the german version.  ;)

In his V6 spec, he writes that graphite rods of 2...3 mm diameter should be used, and he especially mentions pencil rods (german: Bleistiftmine). Also in 'skizze2.pdf' (made by TT ?) pencil rods are mentioned. But in a later posting, he talked about using graphite rods used for motor coals, and that pencil rods would not work.

 ???

At the moment i only have pencil rods, so i will try using them...
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 30, 2007, 05:08:57 PM
Has anyone tried different types of graphite rods and looked for differences ?    ???


Here is another source for graphite rods - woodless pencils.
http://www.pearlpaint.com/shop~ocID~5999~parentID~5992~categoryID~5988~layoutIndicator~vertical.htm
Check you local art stores.
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 30, 2007, 05:12:44 PM

@Walter

I have not completed the V6 but I have posted pictures of my progress in the photo section of the yahoo group.

When complete it I will post my results and if anything significant or successful I will post all my notes and pictures with a video in ONE post.

In the V6 white paper he does refer to sketches and we have all but sketch 1. I think sketch 1 was of the frame.

We do know that Thomas was upset on Dec 14 over the discussion here and something had been misinterpreted. So something is WRONG with the implementation as is was talked about in the discussion.

We have to determine what in the discussion upset Thomas. If we do then is will probably lead to a successful replication.

I think time would be better spend working on V6 rather than beginning work on another version. If we consider that the V6 white paper is correct because this is what Thomas released to protect himself, then if our implementation does not work we have to assume we've done something wrong. We have to try to determine what it is.


@neptune

Yes, I agree with you. Materials in different countries are manufactured to different specs. For example I had to use 3/4" (19.05mm) tubing on the frame because 20mm is not available here.

But I think for us to make major deviations on our initial build is a mistake.

Ok - here is one of the things I think upset Thomas.

It was the discussion over sand fill level. Actually I think neptune had it right.

Thomas states:
Quote
The energy pick-up tubing must now completely (however loosely!) filled with quartz sand

This is my personal opinion and it may be WRONG.

When he said completely, I believe he meant all the way to the top of the entire U-shaped structure including the top horizontal piece.

Why - because look at the construction steps that were laid out.
   1. Install left graphite rod
   2. Install left 2.5 mm (#10 wire) coil
   3. Install right graphite rod
   4. Bore fill holes for salt water solution
   5. Install right coil
   6. Install capacitor
   7. Hang unit in center of pyramid
   8. Fill with sand

Assumption: So he must have created small fill holes and allowed the sand to trickle in like an hour glass.

If this is true he has no way to determine the level until it is completely full.


@Gustav22

Quote
Are you referring to Thomas' statement that the graphite rods should be able to move and be hung up in a way so that their position is not fixed?

Thomas states:
Quote
On the opposite side put likewise a graphiterod (2-3mm diameter pencil rod) freely hanging into the tube.

As I approach this in my own construction I'm thinking this is what he meant. This would put less stress on the rods as the sand was put in but it might also allow the to move left or right. So some kind of restraint  needs to be in place so it can swing but not move right or left.


@skywatcher

I realize that there may be better ways to implement things but usually one establishes a basic working unit before one starts extrapolation.

I also have concerns over the accuracy of what Thomas released mainly because English was not his native language but I think he made an honest effort to share what he had discovered.


@all

I don't have the answers and I don't usually post much but I felt this effort was starting to loose some direction. I want us all to succeed and between everyone there is a lot of talent here.


-Duff

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 30, 2007, 05:30:25 PM
@Skywatcher. In your discussion about graphite and pencil rods, you refer to "motor coals" By this, I assume you mean the graphite electrodes used in DC electric motors to connect the supply to the armature via the commutator. In Great Britain, and also I believe the USA , we call these things "Carbon Brushes "  As a washing machine engineer, I use them every day, but have never seen any of suitable shape to be used for this converter.
           I am still studying the v4 photo. There are at least 2 places where the circuit looks like it may connect to the copper tube. One is just below the T piece at top left, and the other is the bare copper wire that seems to emerge from the capacitor [lower left corner] and go towards the blue thing. The hardest thing is trying to find the 2 output wires of the central capacitor. Your views would be very welcome.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: starcruiser on December 30, 2007, 05:34:59 PM
Has anyone read this info on Les Brown? It may provide some additional insight. He (Les) mentions that the Pyramid must be built with exact dimensions relating to the great pyramid to get the best results. Also I read that the quartz sand is the storage medium for the energy and if this is accurate the graphite rods are taps to that energy. also the Pyramid base must be grounded to channel the energy from the apex to the collector/converter. If this is true then the collector is the storage unit (capacitor) and the work (voltage) is extracted from the connections to the converter and the ground.

It is/was also mentioned that the energy in the pyramid should be tapped otherwise it will discharge it self when it reaches a certain charge level then start over again. So I would assume this means a load should be connected to continue to draw energy. Just some of what I ran across.

I do plan on building a pyramid but want to do a bit more research to get several different perspectives on the building and operation.

Hope this is of some help in getting some results.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 30, 2007, 05:48:25 PM
Thomas states:
Quote
The energy pick-up tubing must now completely (however loosely!) filled with quartz sand

This is my personal opinion and it may be WRONG.

When he said completely, I believe he meant all the way to the top of the entire U-shaped structure including the top horizontal piece.

Why - because look at the construction steps that were laid out.
   1. Install left graphite rod
   2. Install left 2.5 mm (#10 wire) coil
   3. Install right graphite rod
   4. Bore fill holes for salt water solution
   5. Install right coil
   6. Install capacitor
   7. Hang unit in center of pyramid
   8. Fill with sand

Assumption: So he must have created small fill holes and allowed the sand to trickle in like an hour glass.

You may be right regarding the point that also the upper section of the converter should be filled completely with sand.
This makes a lot of sense, and i will try it this way.

But i think with 'fill holes' he meant the small holes for filling the water into the lower part of the converter.   ???

For practical reasons, i will do it this way:

1. converter consists of two sections: the lower part (U-shaped section) and the upper part (double-T shaped sections)
2. both sections are soldered, but the junction between the two sections is not soldered to allow disassembly
3. drill the two filling holes in the lower part of the U-section (at different niveaus, as specified in TT's spec)
4. fill the lower part of the U-section with sand, up to a few mm above the lower end of the graphite rods
5. connect a small piece of copper wire to the top of the graphite rods to allow further contacting
6. stick the graphite rods a few mm into the sand, in the middle of the tubes, so that they can not drift away
7. fill rest of the sand into the U-section, always controlling that the graphite rods remain in the middle of the tubes
8. put together the U-section and the double-T section
9. install the coils and solder them to the graphite-rods (use the 10 mm holes on the top for soldering, see my pictures above)
10. close the right and left openings where the wires enter it, using plastilin or hot-glue
11. fill the rest of the converter (upper section) with sand using one of the 10 mm holes on the top (the other hole should be closed before)
12. close the last hole on top of the converter using copper foil and adhesive tape.
13. install the central capacitor and connect the coils
14. install the converter in the pyramid
15. fill salt water into the converter using the small holes at the lower side of the converter, according to TT's spec

BTW, in the plan made by 'Acerzw', which has been approved by TT, the sand is only in the U-shaped section of the converter.   ???
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 30, 2007, 05:59:36 PM
@Skywatcher. In your discussion about graphite and pencil rods, you refer to "motor coals" By this, I assume you mean the graphite electrodes used in DC electric motors to connect the supply to the armature via the commutator. In Great Britain, and also I believe the USA , we call these things "Carbon Brushes "  As a washing machine engineer, I use them every day, but have never seen any of suitable shape to be used for this converter.

Yes, carbon brushes is the right term. I think he meant to use raw material which is being used in workshops for making custom carbon brushes. This raw material has d diameter of 6 mm, and must be turned down to 2-3 mm, which is a very dirty business and also has the risk that the rods will break. I have tried it with thick graphite pencils i bought in an art-shop, and they broke every time.  :(
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 30, 2007, 06:14:17 PM

You may be right regarding the point that also the upper section of the converter should be filled completely with sand.
This makes a lot of sense, and i will try it this way.

But i think with 'fill holes' he meant the small holes for filling the water into the lower part of the converter.   ???

For practical reasons, i will do it this way:

1. converter consists of two sections: the lower part (U-shaped section) and the upper part (double-T shaped sections)
2. both sections are soldered, but the junction between the two sections is not soldered to allow disassembly
3. drill the two filling holes in the lower part of the U-section (at different niveaus, as specified in TT's spec)
4. fill the lower part of the U-section with sand, up to a few mm above the lower end of the graphite rods
5. connect a small piece of copper wire to the top of the graphite rods to allow further contacting
6. stick the graphite rods a few mm into the sand, in the middle of the tubes, so that they can not drift away
7. fill rest of the sand into the U-section, always controlling that the graphite rods remain in the middle of the tubes
8. put together the U-section and the double-T section
9. install the coils and solder them to the graphite-rods (use the 10 mm holes on the top for soldering, see my pictures above)
10. close the right and left openings where the wires enter it, using plastilin or hot-glue
11. fill the rest of the converter (upper section) with sand using one of the 10 mm holes on the top (the other hole should be closed before)
12. close the last hole on top of the converter using copper foil and adhesive tape.
13. install the central capacitor and connect the coils
14. install the converter in the pyramid
15. fill salt water into the converter using the small holes at the lower side of the converter, according to TT's spec

BTW, in the plan made by 'Acerzw', which has been approved by TT, the sand is only in the U-shaped section of the converter.   ???

When I said fill holes for the sand I was referring to drilling small holes in the top of the horzonal piece, which Thomas does not mention, but if the unit was already hanging then he had to have used additional fill holes.

It appears that Thomas was not very attentive to details - Yes that bothers me also. I noticed it numerous times in the forum. Maybe he was preoccupied or pressed for time.


-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 30, 2007, 07:13:52 PM
@ Tigrotto. You seem to constantly remind us that we are wasting our time.I remember that you once said that as a physicist, you had some theoretical understanding of how this might work. If you have this understanding, then you must have some idea where this energy comes from, and how to demonstrate its presence. If this is true, then it would be a good idea to share it with us. There is only one thing more boring than wasting time. And that is watching other people wasting time.
If you REALLY believe we are wasting time, why do you keep visiting these pages? No offence, I am just curious.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 30, 2007, 10:11:12 PM
Hi all,
maybe here is something encouraging. yesterday and Today I used a big so called "booster capacitor "like they use in car stereos with ! Farad 16/25V and connected them instead of the big plate capacitor with the original V6 converter but there was nothing happen no higher voltage. then I changed the whole setup to similar what I think is V4 what means both graphitew rods connected together and the beginning of the left coil and the end of the left coil with the beginning of the right coil, the end of the right coil with one pol of the "middle capacitor" and with the pos.pol from the "booster capacitor"and the DVM. the negative pole of the booster capacitor and the DVM connected to the pyramide frame. the pyramid frame is now on three side's coverd with 1/4 inch drywall ( rigips) and the result was that the booster capacitor was going from 0.035V start within 4 hours up to 0.735V.
I think thats something like a proof.
I have attached a picture sorry the mess it was just made as a quick test .
what do you guys say?
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 30, 2007, 10:23:05 PM
@walt:

When i look at your picture, i see that both coils are left-handed.

One of them should be left-handed, but the other should be right-handed.

In TT's spec, the left-handed coil is on the side where the shorter graphite rod is.
(don't know if this has any significance)

Please look at Reply #752 on page 51 (by duff) there's a picture how it should look like.

Did you use the capacitor (charge and discharge) shortly before making the experiment ?
Sometimes capacitors are building up charge without getting any input from outside.
To be sure, it would be best to use two identical capacitors: one for charging, and the other (disconnected) as reference.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 30, 2007, 10:43:37 PM
hi skywatcher,
you are right with the coils now but I had to change them for the new setup what realy brought something up. sure I did discharge the capacitor for many hours with a 1 ohm resistor.
You know now after all this tests I believe like a few just mentioned too that TT did not really look in to his description especially in the details and that some points are maybe missing or interpreted wrong.
you are good you know what one of this booster capacitors cost??? hundrteds of dollars and this is to much for my shoestring budged.
Oh by the way here is a picture 1 hour later and the voltage is allready up to 0.774V
greetings
walt


@walt:

When i look at your picture, i see that both coils are left-handed.

One of them should be left-handed, but the other should be right-handed.

In TT's spec, the left-handed coil is on the side where the shorter graphite rod is.
(don't know if this has any significance)

Please look at Reply #752 on page 51 (by duff) there's a picture how it should look like.

Did you use the capacitor (charge and discharge) shortly before making the experiment ?
Sometimes capacitors are building up charge without getting any input from outside.
To be sure, it would be best to use two identical capacitors: one for charging, and the other (disconnected) as reference.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on December 30, 2007, 10:55:39 PM
you are right with the coils now but I had to change them for the new setup what realy brought something up.

I looked also at earlier pictures of your setup, and there the coils also were both left-handed.
I think this might be of great significance. Think about a transformator... if you wind the coils the wrong way, you won't get any output at all !

Maybe, if you change one of the coils, you would get ten times the output.   ;D
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 30, 2007, 11:04:39 PM

Walter,

I know you are still putting the sides on and working on the device but the Rigid table saw, that mass of steel sitting under your pyramid, maybe causing problems also.

Certainly something else to consider...

Encouraging to see the voltage approaching 1V.


-Duff

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 31, 2007, 01:02:09 AM
here are the latest for today, after one more hour the voltage stands by 0.845V.
tomorrow I wiil change the coils back to the right and will finishe the big original capacitor.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 31, 2007, 02:23:24 AM
here are the latest for today, after one more hour the voltage stands by 0.845V.
tomorrow I wiil change the coils back to the right and will finishe the big original capacitor.
greetings
walt

Walter I am wondering how the same setup would charge without pyramid. 

George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: spacetrax on December 31, 2007, 06:20:05 AM
here are the latest for today, after one more hour the voltage stands by 0.845V.
tomorrow I wiil change the coils back to the right and will finishe the big original capacitor.
greetings
walt

Hi,
great work, indeed!
You may want to wait until the capacitor reaches 1.5 volt and then try to drive a LED to see for how long it stays on :-)
And I still think that you should have ALL sides of the pyramid covered with rigips plates.

Season`s Greetings!
Spacetrax
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Gustav22 on December 31, 2007, 08:35:31 AM
....tomorrow I wiil change the coils back to the right and will finishe the big original capacitor....

Hi Walter,
please take note of skywatcher's posting:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg67060.html#msg67060

He is right:
according to your pictures you have to REWIND one of your coils in the other direction, as there was NEVER a CW and a CCW coil in any of your pictures.
It seems that you always had only coils with the same winding direction.

You can not just turn one coil round to change this fact.
One coil must be actually REWOUND IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

edit: eine gewindestange mit rechtsgewinde wird nicht durch umdrehen zu einem linksgewinde.

Please Walter, take no offence in this posting.

PS: While thinking about it, I am starting to realize that symmetry and especially same wire length for all symmetrical parts may be much more important than I imagined before.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Tigrotto on December 31, 2007, 10:55:03 AM
0.8V means nothing if you don't specify the ammount of current.
0.8V means less than the worst voltage cell. you have inside the pyramid at least two cells so that, no mistery about 0.8 v discovery.
I told you : something is missing here!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 31, 2007, 11:23:07 AM
Hi gustav22,
sure thats what I meant with turning around the coil rewinding, he, he
greetings
walt

....tomorrow I wiil change the coils back to the right and will finishe the big original capacitor....

Hi Walter,
please take note of skywatcher's posting:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg67060.html#msg67060

He is right:
according to your pictures you have to REWIND one of your coils in the other direction, as there was NEVER a CW and a CCW coil in any of your pictures.
It seems that you always had only coils with the same winding direction.

You can not just turn one coil round to change this fact.
One coil must be actually REWOUND IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.

edit: eine gewindestange mit rechtsgewinde wird nicht durch umdrehen zu einem linksgewinde.

Please Walter, take no offence in this posting.

PS: While thinking about it, I am starting to realize that symmetry and especially same wire length for all symmetrical parts may be much more important than I imagined before.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 31, 2007, 11:24:36 AM
Hi george,
this is what I did first outside the pyramide but there was no charge at all.
greetings
walt

here are the latest for today, after one more hour the voltage stands by 0.845V.
tomorrow I wiil change the coils back to the right and will finishe the big original capacitor.
greetings
walt

Walter I am wondering how the same setup would charge without pyramid. 

George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 31, 2007, 11:30:05 AM
Hi tigrotto,
what was it what you have reached ? I forgott.
greetings
walt


0.8V means nothing if you don't specify the ammount of current.
0.8V means less than the worst voltage cell. you have inside the pyramid at least two cells so that, no mistery about 0.8 v discovery.
I told you : something is missing here!
Tigrotto
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 31, 2007, 11:47:32 AM
Hi all,
I said that I report everythings even bad. now this morning I checked the status of charge at the booster and it was finaly standing at 0.873V what means after 18 hours thats all .
not what I expected after the first 6 hours brought 0.8V.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: atlantex on December 31, 2007, 11:52:40 AM
he got a kick in the ass in TT board, and were downgraded to an normal user, he was an moderator before.

happend after he floated the board with nerving child like postings.

that's what he reached...


atlantex
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 31, 2007, 01:13:53 PM
@Tigrotto. It would be nice to hear something positive from you , see my previous post. No mystery? so how do you explain the "0ne wire DC circuit?
@ Walter, Very interesting. From your circuit description, it is not clear how the central cap is connected. You describe where one pole is connected, but not the other pole. Is it connected to anything? If it is not, have you tried connecting it anywhere? . Is the copper tube still "Floating"{ connected to nothing]? Sorry asking all these questions when you are working on this and my job prevents me. If this effect is real, I reckon you are the one who will crack it. Regards, Ken
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: tinu on December 31, 2007, 01:28:26 PM
he got a kick in the ass in TT board, and were downgraded to an normal user, he was an moderator before.

happend after he floated the board with nerving child like postings.

that's what he reached...


atlantex

How does it relate to the issue or how does it change the fact that no V6 is running up to date?  ???

Maybe I am wrong in the above assumption, so let?s ask the world! (I happened to me before that many nice persons reply to various messages although they do not post much inhere)


So:

Dear World,
Subject: Success/Failure, V6 Power Pyramid, Thomas Trawoeger (aka Flavio Thomas)

Please let us know whether you have succeeded or not in making V6 run.
We badly feel is time to know of at least one positive case (if any; it would be first V6 success up to our knowledge here!) but also of estimating the gross number of failures.

Speaking about success, I especially kindly ask the persons bellow who are presumably successfully builders of V6, as the following TT quotes suggest:

?I got information from New Zealand. A User of this website constructed the inner part of my V6 with a output of 4,22 Volts.?

?Meanwhile we have another success-message from Thailand. I wonder, why the people don?t post it here.?

?I got some messages from silent readers here. There are also some success messages with details of running pyramides. I will please this people to spend a few words here too.?

?Important Message to Thailand (Mr. Bobby): Do you want to share your Pictures of your pyramides for the community here??

?I?m a little sad, that some people wich are reading here didn?t spend any word to the community. Ther are some guys from Thailand and US tell me great storys, but noone will give here any sentence...
It?s not fair, to get informations from this Site, but stay silent, if some success appeares.?

?Very nice greetings to our reader JEROME. I clap the Hands for you, and I am very happy about your results! There is only a small mistake in your Pictures.?

Of course, any additional report will be much appreciated.
Please understand that some of us need it badly. At least I do!

About failures, please let us know also if this was the case. If many failures exist that doesn?t make us bad builders/researchers but it would mean bad specifications. I?m the first one to admit that I?ve failed, despite the significant efforts I?ve made?

So, please take a minute to register (if not member here) and to post one sentence (that?s all I?m asking!).
If you do not want to go public, please send a PM (Personal Message) to me. I promise that I?ll keep your identity confidential and that your message will not be divulged; only used for statistics.

Many thanks,

Happy New Year!
Tinu
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on December 31, 2007, 03:11:30 PM
@an Alle,
Vorweg: ich hatte seit 2005 Kontakt mit TT.
Gerade weil er nicht sofort alle Details der V6 im OU offengelegt hat,
hat er nun DIE Probleme bekommen die sowohl der Hacker , wie auch fr?here Vertr?ge betrafen.
Eine komplette Ver?ffentlichung ?ber Wochen bis Weihnachten "ziehen" zu wollen ,
war -m?glicherweise- keine gute Idee.
Dies erm?glichte  "Gegnern dieses Projektes", Ihn zu boykottieren
wie mit rechtlichen Problem und Drohungen "in Atem" zu halten.
Ich steckte nicht gerne in seiner Haut.
Ich habe alle seine Kontaktdaten , warte aber dass er sich selbst meldet ,
sobald er kann oder will.
Wer hier zum Experiment selbst Fragen oder Antworten hat suche bitte mein Email Adresse im
OU-Profil oder verwende meine Antwortseite in : http://stormloader.com/index0.html.
Ohne Erlaubnis der jeweiligen Mailpartner , gebe ich , wie bisher , keine Informationen weiter.
Mails,ohne Namenskennung, sind ?ber Antwortseiten m?glich

Allen Lesern hier einen guten Rutsch zu 2008.


@to all  (translated  with www.translate.ru
 Beforehand(At the front): I had since 2005 contact with TT. Just because he has not disclosed immediately all details of the V6 in the OU, now he has got the problems concerned the hacker (she) the hacker (he), as well as former(earlier) contracts(treaties). To want to "pull("draw) a complete publication for weeks to Christmas, was-  shure -no good idea. To these allowed " opponents(adversaries) of this project " to boycott Him like to hold with juridical problem and threats " in breath ".
 
 To want to "pull("draw) a complete publication for weeks to Christmas, was-m?glicherweise-no good idea. To these allowed " opponents(adversaries) of this project " to boycott Him like to hold with juridical problem and threats " in breath ". I was not with pleasure in his(its) skin. I have all his(its) contact data, wait, however, that he to itself announces, as soon as he is able to or wants.

 was not with pleasure in his(its) skin. I have all his(its) contact data, wait, however, that he to itself announces, as soon as he is able to or wants. Who has here to the experiment even questions or answers my email searches please address in the OU profile or uses my answer side in: http: // stormloader.com / index0.html.
Without permission(leave) of the respective mail partners, I transmit, as before, no information. Mail, without name call sign, is about answer sides possibly to all readers here a good slide to 2008.


 
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 31, 2007, 03:26:28 PM
Hi george,
this is what I did first outside the pyramide but there was no charge at all.
greetings
walt

Hi Walter,
It looks to me that it acted exactly like battery I had for some time in the pyramid.
I remember  that TT  was explicitly saying that to much of salt water is no good.  When I was injecting salt water, in the beginning it was going in easy.  Then at some point sand was saturated and I had difficulties to inject more.  Since I haven't seen it come out through the other hole I kept injecting.  Then I saw a drop forming on the other side.  At that moment I stopped.  Now I am reassembling collector and what I found out my entire sand is saturated real well with salt water.  That might be bad.  It took me about 15 minutes to see that drop forming on the other side.  I might rushed to much to inject the salt water.  This time I am planning to get it really slow and easy.
I want to hear others experience with it.
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on December 31, 2007, 05:01:40 PM
@georgemay. I think tat the level of saltwater is a real problem. I think that TTs method gives unpredictable results, due to capillary action. Experiments with  a glass U-tube might allow you to work out the exact quantity of saltwater to fill a given U-tube to a certain level. I asume that TT did not do that , so no one, including TT knows exactly what level he filled his tube to. Perhaps the answer is to have some method to feed in  the saltwater at very low pressure by gravity, so it takes maybe 2 hours to fill. This is definitely one area where we are fighting in the dark. TT seems to say that if too much saltwater is injected, it will drain out in time.
            @ Pese. Please give a short translation of your last post
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 31, 2007, 06:11:32 PM
Been busy trying things out and give you all a update. First of all I
tried many times using TT diagram and still no real output or not a
sign. So yesterday filled the U tube full of sand and same results.Nothing

Then thought about testing each part out, so cut 2 copper tubes again
130mm long and cap one end.

1. 120mm, 4B, 14ohms. Filled with sand and put a certain amount of
water/salt, the voltage went up very fast to .5v

2. 120mm, H1, 58ohms. Same thing and this one climbed very slowly and
got to about .4v.



So having said this I drew out TT ckt on paper and really to me does
not make sense. My thought is really its 2 small wet battery cells
with a open ground, copper U. The top of the graphic rods are positive
but not a complete ckt. Thomas please explain!

So re wired it as a L/C tank ckt, meaning cap and 2 coils on each side
in parallel and also batterys, and outside U tube is now connected to
frame. Then last night is was jumping around 85mv and and down and I
keeped touching U tube, then volt meter locked in at 86mv and climbed
up to .128v right now. So I think the pyramide has charged the cells
to this voltage, and did check this and both right and left are .128 each.

Today maybe want to refill U tube and not to top this time. I might
get flamed for going and changing TT ckt but until he comes forward I
will keep trying this out. Not to say this is right but we have never
seem a V6 work just V4. So who knows. Just everyone should follow V6
first and then try something else.



Happy New Year
Wayne
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: georgemay on December 31, 2007, 06:36:53 PM
Magpower,
If you rotate pyramid slowly can you see a drop or increase in voltage?    If power fluctuates then pyramid is doing its work. Orient the pyramid to its highest output and wait few hours.  You might be real close to success.
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 31, 2007, 07:04:01 PM
Just found out another little thing. Right now I took out left coil, so just right side in coil and center cap. Now the output on left graphic rod is only hooked to volt meter and climbing right now to .138volts and going up. I won't rotate nothing yet, just will watch it. I think 2 coils might be loading the L/C ckt to much. I don't know but this is best I have got so far, just hope for new years I get zapped off it.

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on December 31, 2007, 07:08:53 PM

@magpower

I have  few suggestions.

Looking at some of your previous pictures (don't know if you current setup is the same), you have would both coils in the same direction and they should be opposing.

Also, try changing the wire size to #10 (2.5 mm), and give it an inner diameter of 25mm rather than winding it directly on the tubing.

Thanks for the update

-Duff



Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: magpower on December 31, 2007, 07:23:58 PM
Duff

Thats an old picture and still trying to find my camera. But have it exactly this way as you describe. Off to work and at .145volts and climbing. We see later? seems to be charging

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on December 31, 2007, 10:45:06 PM
OK guys here we are,
 today I did put a rewind coil in the setup and connected the whole thing back to the description from TT and I tell you there is no output at all it jumps to 0.007V and thats it. I even did finish the big capacitor and put him in no change.
I also did clean out the whole thing and started new, nothing again.
now can anybody tell me what is wrong on this picture, the old coil version did bring up something even if it was not to much, the recommended version where many believed is the only what works does not work at all. the latest change with the parts from V6 but connected like V4 ( at leasdt as far as I can identify) did charge a 1 farad booster cap up to 0.845V.
now I am very courious what happen when I have finished the V4 version and put them to the test.
Now answering some question about the setup what charged the booster cap: the strange thing was that only the lower plate contact was connected the other did float ( nothing connected at all).
the whole copper pipe U frame is just floating no connection to anythings at all here too.
the pyramide is only closed on three sides because if V4 real it was open on one side too and did bring the power to run the fan.

what I also found out by dismanteling the V6 version was that at the point of filling where the small hole is on ether side is a empty space between the bottom U and the vertical pipes where the graphite rods are it is about 1/8 inch where no sand is what means no connection between the bottom and the verticals this is due to the way how the sand should be filled in like TT described it should be loosly filled in now when the saltwater is injected the bottom portion denses and the moisture from there climbe's up the pipe wll and saturate the bottom portion of the vertical pipe sand where the bottom portion shrinks more and more and builds this empty space.
thats so far my expirience. I will report how V4 works out.
greetigns
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: skywatcher on January 01, 2008, 12:06:39 AM
today I did put a rewind coil in the setup and connected the whole thing back to the description from TT and I tell you there is no output at all it jumps to 0.007V and thats it. I even did finish the big capacitor and put him in no change.
I also did clean out the whole thing and started new, nothing again.
now can anybody tell me what is wrong on this picture, the old coil version did bring up something even if it was not to much, the recommended version where many believed is the only what works does not work at all.

Hmmm...   ???   This is very strange, but it clearly shows that we have a real (unknown) effect, because if it would be only galvanic effects or something like that, these effects don't care at all about the direction of the coils.

Hopefully i will finish my setup tomorrow, then i can start my own experiments.  :)

Quote
the latest change with the parts from V6 but connected like V4 ( at leasdt as far as I can identify) did charge a 1 farad booster cap up to 0.845V.

Yesterday we talked about using a second cap and you said the booster caps are very expensive.
You could also use Gold Caps. They also have very high capacities, but are much smaller and very cheap, compared to the booster caps.
The Gold Caps have lower maximum voltages, but i think at the moment the typical 5V are more than sufficient.  ;)

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: blubbino on January 01, 2008, 12:28:23 AM
Happy new year, Guys  ;D
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: pese on January 01, 2008, 11:19:16 AM
It shown like:

IF the output Vortage are different , so
so cil is CW
 and CCW  turned ...

so that experiment say , some "thing" inside the
device is working , that is  NOT to explain
with "galanic cell".
Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on January 01, 2008, 12:04:41 PM


Hi all ,
the first coils was both wound CW and this brought some good results, after all said that the reason that I can not get more then the max 0.845V is that the are both the same direction, I wound a new one with CCW direction and put it in the same setup like before and it brought nothing more then ).007V.
overall the results from the old set up has nothing to do with galvanic cell because if a galvanic cell would be involved the negative pool ( the copper pipe frame ) had to be connected  to the negative pool of the pyramide or at least to the negative of the DVM.
today I will finiosh the V4 version and will see what is going on here.
greetigns
walt

It shown like:

IF the output Vortage are different , so
so cil is CW
 and CCW  turned ...

so that experiment say , some "thing" inside the
device is working , that is  NOT to explain
with "galanic cell".
Pese
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on January 01, 2008, 12:11:50 PM
hi all
I need to correct the portion with the plate connection, because I believe this is verry importand.
what was connected to the middle capacitor was only one connector was connected the other one did float or better not connected to anyhtings at all.
what would mean the middle cap works not as a capacitor more like a antenna, if this is true then the whole thinking of the setup changes totally
greetings
walt


OK guys here we are,
 today I did put a rewind coil in the setup and connected the whole thing back to the description from TT and I tell you there is no output at all it jumps to 0.007V and thats it. I even did finish the big capacitor and put him in no change.
I also did clean out the whole thing and started new, nothing again.
now can anybody tell me what is wrong on this picture, the old coil version did bring up something even if it was not to much, the recommended version where many believed is the only what works does not work at all. the latest change with the parts from V6 but connected like V4 ( at leasdt as far as I can identify) did charge a 1 farad booster cap up to 0.845V.
now I am very courious what happen when I have finished the V4 version and put them to the test.
Now answering some question about the setup what charged the booster cap: the strange thing was that only the lower plate contact was connected the other did float ( nothing connected at all).
the whole copper pipe U frame is just floating no connection to anythings at all here too.
the pyramide is only closed on three sides because if V4 real it was open on one side too and did bring the power to run the fan.

what I also found out by dismanteling the V6 version was that at the point of filling where the small hole is on ether side is a empty space between the bottom U and the vertical pipes where the graphite rods are it is about 1/8 inch where no sand is what means no connection between the bottom and the verticals this is due to the way how the sand should be filled in like TT described it should be loosly filled in now when the saltwater is injected the bottom portion denses and the moisture from there climbe's up the pipe wll and saturate the bottom portion of the vertical pipe sand where the bottom portion shrinks more and more and builds this empty space.
thats so far my expirience. I will report how V4 works out.
greetigns
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on January 01, 2008, 12:21:28 PM
Hi skywatcher,
I am realy courious what you find out with your setup.
I regards to the cap I had finished yesterday the original endcap and had connected it but the whole setup did not work at all after changing the one coil winding direction.
greetings
walt


today I did put a rewind coil in the setup and connected the whole thing back to the description from TT and I tell you there is no output at all it jumps to 0.007V and thats it. I even did finish the big capacitor and put him in no change.
I also did clean out the whole thing and started new, nothing again.
now can anybody tell me what is wrong on this picture, the old coil version did bring up something even if it was not to much, the recommended version where many believed is the only what works does not work at all.

Hmmm...   ???   This is very strange, but it clearly shows that we have a real (unknown) effect, because if it would be only galvanic effects or something like that, these effects don't care at all about the direction of the coils.

Hopefully i will finish my setup tomorrow, then i can start my own experiments.  :)

Quote
the latest change with the parts from V6 but connected like V4 ( at leasdt as far as I can identify) did charge a 1 farad booster cap up to 0.845V.

Yesterday we talked about using a second cap and you said the booster caps are very expensive.
You could also use Gold Caps. They also have very high capacities, but are much smaller and very cheap, compared to the booster caps.
The Gold Caps have lower maximum voltages, but i think at the moment the typical 5V are more than sufficient.  ;)


Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on January 01, 2008, 12:25:47 PM
Hi duff,
did you read my post in regards to changing the coil winding direction? Till anybody comes up with results from a setup where the coils wind in oposed direction ( because the most who reported here and have the right coil direction reporting that they have nothing) I sai this is exactly what does not work. maybe I am wrong but my test prove's otherwise till now.
greetings
walt



@magpower

I have  few suggestions.

Looking at some of your previous pictures (don't know if you current setup is the same), you have would both coils in the same direction and they should be opposing.

Also, try changing the wire size to #10 (2.5 mm), and give it an inner diameter of 25mm rather than winding it directly on the tubing.

Thanks for the update

-Duff




Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on January 01, 2008, 12:30:03 PM
Hi george,
I will try with a totally new copper pie frame setup not using any saltwater at all, and see what is happening then.
because even if you inject just a very small amount of saltwater the capilary action will moisten all the sand I checked this.
greetigns
walt


Hi george,
this is what I did first outside the pyramide but there was no charge at all.
greetings
walt

Hi Walter,
It looks to me that it acted exactly like battery I had for some time in the pyramid.
I remember  that TT  was explicitly saying that to much of salt water is no good.  When I was injecting salt water, in the beginning it was going in easy.  Then at some point sand was saturated and I had difficulties to inject more.  Since I haven't seen it come out through the other hole I kept injecting.  Then I saw a drop forming on the other side.  At that moment I stopped.  Now I am reassembling collector and what I found out my entire sand is saturated real well with salt water.  That might be bad.  It took me about 15 minutes to see that drop forming on the other side.  I might rushed to much to inject the salt water.  This time I am planning to get it really slow and easy.
I want to hear others experience with it.
George
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on January 01, 2008, 04:41:17 PM
Hi duff,
did you read my post in regards to changing the coil winding direction? Till anybody comes up with results from a setup where the coils wind in oposed direction ( because the most who reported here and have the right coil direction reporting that they have nothing) I sai this is exactly what does not work. maybe I am wrong but my test prove's otherwise till now.
greetings
walt



@magpower

I have  few suggestions.

Looking at some of your previous pictures (don't know if you current setup is the same), you have would both coils in the same direction and they should be opposing.

Also, try changing the wire size to #10 (2.5 mm), and give it an inner diameter of 25mm rather than winding it directly on the tubing.

Thanks for the update

-Duff


Walter,

TT emphasised the direction the coils were wound but I can understand you frustration and wanting to try something that appeared to show results.

I will begin testing today or tomorrow if all goes well.

If my setup does not work rather than changing TTs design I believe I will start correcting the things that are not exactly as TT says.

I was unable to build this device perfectly. I know I have made mistakes and I know where they are but this was my first build and I know how to do things better now.

Also, there is plenty of room for misinterpretation in TT white paper and we have seen him overlook details.

We also know he was upset over our interpretation. Perhaps the sand fill level was not it.  Maybe next week I will go back through the discussion and look for other possibilities.


-Duff

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: neptune on January 01, 2008, 08:06:50 PM
Hi everyone. Today I found an hour to do a bit of pyramid work. My v6 converter was complete except for sand, graphite, and saltwater. My completed pyramid is at a friends house 15 miles away, as i have no room for it here. There have been many failed v6 projects, that I am going to try something different. Inside my copper tubing ,I have 2 zinc carbon cells wired in series , to replace the "voltaic cells". I will give this device to my friend tomorrow to be placed in the pyramid for tests. The hope is of course more volts out than in. Future ideas include a close copy of a V4.
@ Pese thaks for the message.
@ walt. you keep getting interesting results. I get the impression that this is not Luck, but a lot of time and effort. You deserve to succeed, and you are not the only one. If somebody cracks this, it will make 2008 a vintage year.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: supersam on January 01, 2008, 09:10:33 PM
@walter and all,

i have been following this thread and tt site since the begining.  i have also been following the earth battery thread.  in the earth battery thread and experiments, they have found that using cabon rod stuck into the ground always becomes the positive of the circuit and by using a magnesium rod stuck in the ground this becomes a negative pole.  by running this circuit through a led they are already generating enough power to light the led.  please don't let me take you off track, however,  tt never really finished describing his setup completely.  so we really can't be sure what his setup is.  it does seem to make a little sense to me however if you are using two carbon rods, maybe both actually positive with only a slight voltage differential due to the length of your positve carbon rods why your coils only produce when wound the same direction.  it also makes sense to me that if you also use a magnesium rod, negative, and a carbon rod positive, to form a circuit through your coils that are wound right handed and lefthanded and then ran in series with your capacitor,  you might expect to have a chance, with proper alighnment to get enough power to see if in fact the pyramid is doing anything to enhance this effect.

just my thoughts. kind of got a little discouraged about the actual build when tt pulled out,  since you guys are already way ahead my if someone could give this a try it might get some more of us watchers off our asses.  keep up the good work.

lol
sam
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on January 02, 2008, 11:52:27 AM
Hi all,
yesterday I finally had the time to move my pyramide out of my big workshop in to my smaler electronic workshop and on the way there I did test the theorie about underground water because I have a underground aquifier running from east to west in about 6 feet depth. the result was no influence on the output of the pyramide at all.
Now that I am in the other workshop where I got more equipment I can also use my oszy its a old one but hey, to see if there is anythings to see on the scope.
I also start tonight tests with the replica ( as close as I could build) of the V4. what still buffles me on this one is the fact that the top bridge including the two vertical pipe's are soldered and only the bottom brifge is somehow riveted, the million dollar question now is how to fill this with sand and hold the graphite rods center and then connect the bottom filled with sand without the sand running out.
I mean on the top to hold the rods center would be possible ( at least thats what I did) if the rods are locked in place by like wax or so and then fill the vertical with sand but then comes the probleme connecting the two bridges together I did it the way that I filled the top part full upside down and the bottom bridge that just the horizontal pipe was filled , then I put a piece of clear tap across the two vertical pipes made them so long that I still could grab them. I put the bottom bridge in a vice and the put the top portion right on top and carefully removed the taps it did work well with a tiny bit of sand runing out. the remaining area of the bottom part will be filled from the overfilled sand of the top portion. but this means if TT made it this way that the top bridge is filled with sand too. I will see how it works out.
now I got my pyramid standing right on the concrete floor there can not be any other influence.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on January 02, 2008, 07:34:09 PM
I've had a setback -

Everything was assembled in pyramid - grounds, secodary capacitior, etc and was getting ready to inject saltwater solution when I noticed one of my endcaps had shifted outward a couple of mm. Don't know when it happened but as a result I uncertain of the condition/position of carbon rod. I decided to disassemble, check that rod was not broken and repostition before proceeding.

Unable to get unit apart - wedged. bent tubing trying.

Now I have to rebuild power pickup assembly.

-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on January 02, 2008, 09:59:40 PM
Hi duff,
You are a pure guy, but I was there too and I have rebuild for the same reason at least five times till I finally found out that as long as you dont have a short between the rod and the pipe it makes no difference. you can easely check this with a DVM set for check continuity.
good luck
greetigns
walt


I've had a setback -

Everything was assembled in pyramid - grounds, secodary capacitior, etc and was getting ready to inject saltwater solution when I noticed one of my endcaps had shifted outward a couple of mm. Don't know when it happened but as a result I uncertain of the condition/position of carbon rod. I decided to disassemble, check that rod was not broken and repostition before proceeding.

Unable to get unit apart - wedged. bent tubing trying.

Now I have to rebuild power pickup assembly.

-Duff

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: duff on January 03, 2008, 03:08:32 AM
Hi duff,
You are a pure guy, but I was there too and I have rebuild for the same reason at least five times till I finally found out that as long as you dont have a short between the rod and the pipe it makes no difference. you can easely check this with a DVM set for check continuity.
good luck
greetigns
walt

Walter,

DVM would not help in this case - no salt solution was installed.

Actually I was going to correct the alignment anyway and if the rod was broken I would have taken care of it also.

I see where the problem is now with the copper fittings. There in no real stop in there. If you push hard it just keeps going up into the joint. It affects you tube lengths as well depending on how hard you set the tube.

I'm looking for copper set screw to fix that mess...

Something I thought was interesting when I unwound the coil. Out of curiosity I measured the length. It was 100 centimeters. So TT made the coil length the same length as the base & sides.


-Duff
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: supersam on January 03, 2008, 04:35:02 AM
@all,

when are you going to figure out that you don't have the information neccessary for any replications of tt, until he finishes, something anything.  look back and take a serious look at what you have.  what a possible frame with alot of unanswered questions about that or at least several ambiguos answers as if no real thought was put into answering any questions except with "you guys are super and doing great, yes" , that must be it this time guys, so whatever you do don't try anything else because you might piss tt off and he will never come back.  START THINKING OF SOME REAL EXPERIMENTS YOU MIGHT DO WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT WHAT TT THINKS!!!!!!  JEEZ!!! WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?

lol
sam








Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on January 03, 2008, 10:57:12 AM
Hi duff,
Hm I never have seen copper fitiings without a stop here in the US except come continious couplings and I work with them pretty much every other day. do you use the same size fittings like the pipes?
the DVM was ment for checking if the rods create a short against the pipes.
greetings
walt

Hi duff,
You are a pure guy, but I was there too and I have rebuild for the same reason at least five times till I finally found out that as long as you dont have a short between the rod and the pipe it makes no difference. you can easely check this with a DVM set for check continuity.
good luck
greetigns
walt

Walter,

DVM would not help in this case - no salt solution was installed.

Actually I was going to correct the alignment anyway and if the rod was broken I would have taken care of it also.

I see where the problem is now with the copper fittings. There in no real stop in there. If you push hard it just keeps going up into the joint. It affects you tube lengths as well depending on how hard you set the tube.

I'm looking for copper set screw to fix that mess...

Something I thought was interesting when I unwound the coil. Out of curiosity I measured the length. It was 100 centimeters. So TT made the coil length the same length as the base & sides.


-Duff

Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on January 03, 2008, 11:15:26 AM
Hi all,
this is for the guys who took TT's whitepaper to the point and did not get anythings.
I told you guys that I had some output with my old setup ( charging a booster cap up to 0.845V) then some discovered that my coils was wound both in the same direction and they ment this is the reason that there comes not more out. actually what was happen I had made a couple coils some with CW and some with CCW and as I did assemble the unit I grabed two of the same without realising this. now I took the unit appart and put the right one in it and I tell you there was nothing not even a pip ( only 0.003V). then yesterday I put the old one back and it started right a way climbing in voltage all the way to 0.400V.
this shows to me that again something is wrong with TT's white paper. I also had put in the big capacitor which after TT was there only to increase the output.
But there is another story during the etsts I also did connect a 33 ohm resistor between the positive and the pyramide frame and what was happening is that the DVM showed that instead to climbe as negative voltage it did run to 0 but then it starts climbing in popsitive up to 0.390V . I did not trust this DVM and took another one - the same result this was strange.
I still could not figure out why the DVM shows negative instead like TT described should be positive. there is no AC ( only 0.003V)
just to avoid more question my pyramid is sitting now on my other workshop concrete floor exactly in North and three sides coverd with rigips ( like In TT's video shown).
the other part is if I ground the pyramide frame ether with the house ground or a seperate 8 feet grounding pool driven 8 feet deep in to the ground the voltage goes right down to 0.09V.
Like I mentioned before TT said that he did only for security ground the pyramide frame I believe he was concerned that maybe a high voltage spike could acure.
maybe my expireience helps some of you.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on January 03, 2008, 11:39:20 AM
Hi sam,
you are damne right. I dont think that TT doesnt come back because some of us do more experiementing on ther own, he probably has some other reason.
what is also a point is that because there are no information about output value, or picture or video from the V 6 or V12 and the description are not complete ( I see it more as a hint) what should be replicated and compared? the only where are the info in regards  to value picture and video was is available is the V4 but for this there are no detailed data they are everybodys guess.
I personaly do my experiements further till I find or not what we all looking for.
greetigns
walt


@all,

when are you going to figure out that you don't have the information neccessary for any replications of tt, until he finishes, something anything.  look back and take a serious look at what you have.  what a possible frame with alot of unanswered questions about that or at least several ambiguos answers as if no real thought was put into answering any questions except with "you guys are super and doing great, yes" , that must be it this time guys, so whatever you do don't try anything else because you might piss tt off and he will never come back.  START THINKING OF SOME REAL EXPERIMENTS YOU MIGHT DO WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT WHAT TT THINKS!!!!!!  JEEZ!!! WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?

lol
sam









Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Gustav22 on January 03, 2008, 03:49:39 PM
...setback ...
...rebuild ...

@duff
Very sorry to hear about that. But since you are rebuilding:
Did you realize in skizze2 (converter):
the connection to the left (short) graphite rod in the copper-T is indicated with a very thin short piece of wire (thin pencil line), whereas the connection to the right (long) rod is indicated as a very fat line.

Since you are such a perfectionist
;-)
thought I'd mention it.
I will alter my setup accordingly.

@Walter
I also experience negative and positive and flipping potentials in reference to ground, depending on if and where I connect to ground. But very erratic and hard to replicate and to make sense of.
I still have not got any "tension" above 300 mV, yet.
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Nutcracker on January 03, 2008, 08:25:35 PM
Just an observation from an armchair observer... (sorry for not building but resources prevent it)
Regarding the quote below:
:
:
Thomas states:
Quote
The energy pick-up tubing must now completely (however loosely!) filled with quartz sand

This is my personal opinion and it may be WRONG.

When he said completely, I believe he meant all the way to the top of the entire U-shaped structure including the top horizontal piece.

Why - because look at the construction steps that were laid out.
   1. Install left graphite rod
   2. Install left 2.5 mm (#10 wire) coil
   3. Install right graphite rod
   4. Bore fill holes for salt water solution
   5. Install right coil
   6. Install capacitor
   7. Hang unit in center of pyramid
   8. Fill with sand

Assumption: So he must have created small fill holes and allowed the sand to trickle in like an hour glass.

If this is true he has no way to determine the level until it is completely full.
:
:
-Duff

The way I read this, is that the converter is built first and positioned in the pyramid before ANY sand is added to the unit.  If this is the case, then there is no guarantee that the bottom of the ushape is filled with loose sand. There may be a void there in the middle at the bottom of the U shape when the left and right sides are filled with sand. (not counting what ever sand spills into the bottom from the sides being filled)

Again, this is just what is jumping out at me as a non-builder.

Nut
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: IndianaBoys on January 03, 2008, 08:43:18 PM
Not sure if any of you have seen this recent video on YouTube:

The Physics of Crystals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfbobxXuu0g

You will hear in this promotion some experimental work that was done with zinc inside a pyramid.

His pyramid turned his zinc into calcium powder.

One clue may be what frequency the pyramid you are using (angles) is set to.

For instance, some believe that the angles of the Cheops Pyramid is set to resonate at 32,768 khz (limestone/calcium)

Maybe try to use a calcium type of battery with the addition of a smaller pyramid in each corner as mentioned in the above video.

Lets make this an electrifying year!

IndianaBoys




Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: supersam on January 04, 2008, 03:50:00 AM
@walter and all,

now that that is understood, i still think that the biggest problem i see is you don't have anything that connects to the balance of the circuit.  the copper is still going to function as a positive the same as the carbon.  think about switching one of your rods for a negative, either zink coated iron or magnesium. then you have a circuit!!!

lol
sam


@walter and all,

i have been following this thread and tt site since the begining.  i have also been following the earth battery thread.  in the earth battery thread and experiments, they have found that using cabon rod stuck into the ground always becomes the positive of the circuit and by using a magnesium rod stuck in the ground this becomes a negative pole.  by running this circuit through a led they are already generating enough power to light the led.  please don't let me take you off track, however,  tt never really finished describing his setup completely.  so we really can't be sure what his setup is.  it does seem to make a little sense to me however if you are using two carbon rods, maybe both actually positive with only a slight voltage differential due to the length of your positve carbon rods why your coils only produce when wound the same direction.  it also makes sense to me that if you also use a magnesium rod, negative, and a carbon rod positive, to form a circuit through your coils that are wound right handed and lefthanded and then ran in series with your capacitor,  you might expect to have a chance, with proper alighnment to get enough power to see if in fact the pyramid is doing anything to enhance this effect.

just my thoughts. kind of got a little discouraged about the actual build when tt pulled out,  since you guys are already way ahead my if someone could give this a try it might get some more of us watchers off our asses.  keep up the good work.

lol
sam
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: atlantex on January 04, 2008, 08:00:53 AM
Quote
think about switching one of your rods for a negative, either zink coated iron or magnesium. then you have a circuit!!!

that would be a simple dirty chemical reaction in combination with the saltwater and sand.

I assume that's not what we want...   :P



atlantex
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on January 04, 2008, 11:48:45 AM
Hi all,
I wana say in regards to galvanic cell it can not function as such because a galvanic cell allways needs two connection to the same cell one pos. and one neg. right? now even if the copper frame works as such second pol it is not connected to anythings totally insulated from the negative pyramide frame.
now I did some more testing. I had to take out the center cap because I broke one of the connector her I thoughd why not connect the two coils in series ( connect both together instead of the capacitor) the graphite rods still connected to ether of the coil ends, both coils are CCW wound. then put one connector from the big capacitor to the right side and the other pol from this capacitor to the pos. of the DVM and I was totally surprise that I had instant 0.34V even that the cap. was totally outside the copper frame. with just a bit turning the copperframe in ether direction I could see changing of the voltage up to 0.1V the highest was if this frame was about 3 degree eastward but the pyramide frame was set to excatly north. the center of the copperframe was set to 220mm hight from the base.
the out put is allways negative on the DVM.
greetings
walt
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: supersam on January 05, 2008, 03:14:24 AM
@ walt,

i think what you are seeing is a result, however small of the earths magnetic fields running across your coils, just because the earth is spinning in a magnetic field!  you have so little voltage how can you asume anything else?  other than maybe "the grid", jezz i can get more voltage out of my laptop's stray capacitance!  what the f---k?  how can you possibly consider such voltage as even pertaining to anythin other than the earth?  if you can stick your two carbon rods in the ground, one two inches and one three inches, and get not only votage but amperage out, how in the hell are our fifty dollar pyramids, helping a damn thing. pardon my french!  the real question is, DOES THE PYRAMID HELP THIS ACTION?   screw what tt said!!  obviously something is wrong with that picture.  I SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT TT DISCOVERED, BUT IF WHAT HE HAS POSTED SO FAR IS ANY INDICATION, I CAN'T SEE WHY IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM!!!!

lolo
sam

ps: so since you have the hardware now, why not experiment on your own?  seems logical!!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on January 05, 2008, 11:52:59 AM
Hi sam,
you are very confusing to me did you read my posts? then you should have realized long time ago that I do my own experiements but report back the results good or bad, what about you?
bitching around does not help and just to go what TT said ether.
greetings
walt

@ walt,

i think what you are seeing is a result, however small of the earths magnetic fields running across your coils, just because the earth is spinning in a magnetic field!  you have so little voltage how can you asume anything else?  other than maybe "the grid", jezz i can get more voltage out of my laptop's stray capacitance!  what the f---k?  how can you possibly consider such voltage as even pertaining to anythin other than the earth?  if you can stick your two carbon rods in the ground, one two inches and one three inches, and get not only votage but amperage out, how in the hell are our fifty dollar pyramids, helping a damn thing. pardon my french!  the real question is, DOES THE PYRAMID HELP THIS ACTION?   screw what tt said!!  obviously something is wrong with that picture.  I SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT TT DISCOVERED, BUT IF WHAT HE HAS POSTED SO FAR IS ANY INDICATION, I CAN'T SEE WHY IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM!!!!

lolo
sam

ps: so since you have the hardware now, why not experiment on your own?  seems logical!!
Title: Re: First electrical power output from a Pyramid
Post by: Walter Hofmann on January 05, 2008, 12:07:13 PM
Hi all,
I just examin the old picture from TT's video and the big capacitor look at your self
her http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/MGN_