Habe eine Verst?ndnisfrage zu dem Piezo-effekt. Ensteht der Strom nich erst bei einem Wechsel der Belastung ? Oder reicht ein konstanter Druck aus, um eine fortw?hrende Spannung zu erzeugen ?der strom entsteht erst beim potentialausgleich (kurzschlie?en den piezoelementes), das potential (die spannung) entsteht durch gitterdeformation. Folglich ist das potential proportional zum angelegten ?u?eren druck - kann also statisch sein - der strom flie?t aber nur wenn sich das potential ?ndert (!). Folglich mu? sich der druck ?ndern, um einen stromflu? zu bewirken.
Hello
Her is the drawing (handmade) from the interior of the pyramid.
greetings Hubert
Und wieso kommt dann ohne Diode da eine Gleichspannung raus ?
Have the big powers shut him down ? There is now just the message at his website:
04.02.2006 17.30 Uhr MEZ
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren
Diese Website ist bis auf weiteres geschlossen.
Bitte beachten Sie, dass alle bis dahin gezeigten Inhalte dem Urheberrecht und internationaler Copyrightgesetze unterliegen, und auch die Weitergabe gezeigter Inhalte bereits strafbar ist.
Wir bedauern diese Unannehmlichkeiten, sehen uns aber aus rechtlichen Gr?nden au?erstande, diese Website weiter in dieser Form aufrecht zu halten.
Dabei hatte er noch zuvor in einem anderen Forum davon geredet das niemand so etwas unterdr?cken w?rde. Nun ist er wohl eines besseren belehrt worden.nichts da mit unterdr?cken. Die gr?nde sind eine "?tzende" community und drohungen von leuten, die sich bereichern wollen. Hier die erkl?rung des urhebers:
Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren, Liebe Communitymitglieder.
Wenn Sie mein Posting hier nun als endliche Reaktion auf den Thread hier betrachten m?chten, dann haben Sie Recht.
Ich war leider in den letzten Tagen mehr unterwegs als Zuhause, m?chte aber hier deutlich und nachdr?cklich folgendes Anmerken.
Viele Postings hier gehen mir eindeutig zu stark unter die G?rtellinie!
Ich finde mehrere Angriffe hier f?r derart unpassend, dass ich mit eigenen Worten hier nicht darauf eingehen m?chte.
Ich habe in den letzten Tagen viele Anrufe, Mails und Faxe erhalten, und habe diese nachweislich ALLE beantwortet, auch wenn nicht wirklich Zeit daf?r war. Mein Personal wurde von Anrufern w?hrend unserer Gesch?ftszeiten mehrmals unfl?tig angep?belt, und scheinbar f?hlen sich manche Mitb?rger berechtigt, zu einem bestimmten Zeitpunkt Baupl?ne und genaue Funktionsprinzipien zu erhalten.
Viele selbsternannte Fachleute versuchen nun seit Wochen, unsere Arbeit ins l?cherliche zu ziehen, und kommen mit Haarstr?ubenden Argumenten, warum dies nun nachweisbar sein soll.
Ehrlich gesagt, entzieht es sich meiner Kenntnis, warum es f?r einige hier so wichtig ist, hier nur Betrugsverdacht zu ?ussern.
Mittlerweile ist uns die Funktion ohne "Betrugsm?glichkeit" auch nachgewiesen worden, und weitere pr?fungen finden unter Ausschlu? jeglicher weiterer Betrugsm?glichkeit bereits statt.
Ich habe auf anraten unseres Rechtsanwaltes nun den Beschlu? gefasst, die Website www.trt-biopower.at endg?ltig aus dem Netz zu nehmen, da es keine weitere notwendigkeit einer ver?ffentlichung mehr gibt.
Nachdem nun auch in der Schweiz ein unserer Meinung nach kopiertes Ger?t l?uft, und einige weitere Versuchsanordnungen in Deutschland und Belgien bereits kurz vor der fertigstellung sind, wird nun vermutlich das weitere Thema nur mehr ?ber Rechtsanw?lte zu kl?ren sein.
Sie werden sich nun fragen, warum mir diese Sache aufst?sst, wo ich doch ohnehin alle Baudaten ver?ffentlichen wollte.
Nun, die Sache liegt darin, dass wir per einstweiliger Verf?gung von diesem Schweizer gezwungen werden sollten, unsere ver?ffentlichungen einzustellen, da er sich als Urheber der Erfindung sieht, und nun der Meinung ist, an der ganzen Sache millionen zu verdienen.
GENAU DAS WOLLTEN WIR ABER EIGENTLICH VERHINDERN!
Ja, die Welt ist Pervers! Und vermutlich passiert nun das, was eigentlich das "worst case scenario" an der ganzen Sache war.
Aber Gott sei Dank wurde hier wenigstens nur ?ber Wahrheit und Betrug diskutiert, w?hrend andere nur die Dollarzeichen in den Augen hatten.
Ich beende als Verfasser dieses Threads hiermit die weitere diskussion, und bitte die Admins dieses Forums, dies auch auf dem Wege der Forumssteuerung auszuf?hren.
Ich bedanke mich bei allen Postern f?r deren Beitr?ge, und stehe f?r weitere Gespr?che per Telefax, Mail und Telefon nicht mehr zur Verf?gung.
Abschlie?end m?chte ich noch sagen, dass es nicht stimmt, dass ich mich bei Personen, welche mir Hilfe angeboten haben, nicht gemeldet habe.
Es mag aber so sein, dass mir mancher B?se ist, weil er eben keine "Exklusivinformationen" bekommen hat.... That?s it...
Ich w?nsche allen hier ein fr?hliches weiterleben, und allen jenen, die ohnehin an einen Betrug geglaubt haben, viel Spa? am totreden weiterer innovatonen :-)
mfg
Fakt ist, dass ich durch alle meine gut gemeinten Internetver?ffentlichungen bis Dat nur Schaden verursacht und geerntet habe, jetzt noch viel vorsichtiger mit jedem Kontakt umgehen muss, und eigentlich genau das gegenteil davon eingetroffen ist, was ich eigentlich bezweckt habe. [...] Ich kann jedoch nur sehr schwer damit leben, dass ich mich in der Wahl meiner ver?ffentlichung so derart vertan habe, und einen gro?teil meiner Mitmenschen so derart verkannt habe.
Here in this video at the end
starting at 12:56 min is another
inventor claiming to have rebuilt this pyramid
and also getting power out...
http://www.secret.tv/artikel/Strom_aus_der_Pyramide__Mythos_oder_Wirklichkeit__1308869.html
Too bad we don?t know, if this is a fake or not...
He seems to be pretty old and
although he speaks German, it is hard to understand,
what he means, jumps in his speech from
one topic to the next without giving real explanations..
Hmm,does anybody know, who this guy is ?
Thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
No , that have nothing to di with AM Radio circuits , even if crystal (detector) tube or transistore reveid AM (or up to FM ) waves.
An Radio Expert cant help here
Pese
Yer Sir,Hello, my name is Pese , i am from trier /germany.
It's me, O.Petria, from Italy.
I want to rebuilt the experiment of Trawoeger. I know another person manage to rebuilt it ( see the famous 17 minutes video) : http://www.secret.tv/player_popup.php?id=1307723&movieid=1308850 from the 12:57 minute on.
I want to know basically: the details of the Trawoeger's setup. Point by point, not amatorial.
I know exactly how to proceed but not use to waste time to built this setup if anyone knows exactly how to do it. I promisse to share all my developments with all of you helping me.
The ways are two:
1. Does anyone knows the point-by-point description of the Trawoeger's setup, attention: not amatorial? Then shre with all of us. Trawoeger will be no longer able to do this . SIEMENS " purchased " him.
2. Should anyone be able to contact the second person of that video: I know addresse, name, but not phone number.: The second person is: Herbert Niegel / Am Knieberg 40 /54293 Trier / Germany.
In order to go on with the researches, let's reproduce the first experiment.
I'm physicist and I know more about these facts, but...not all. And here comes the strage facts!!!
Thanks in advance,
Dr.Ovidiu Petria
... Trawoeger will be no longer able to do this . SIEMENS " purchased " him. ...
Hi Stefan,
Just today I discovered that "Trawoeger" is presumably the surname of the Flavio Thomas in the pyramid video. This has led me to the considerable additional amount of information on this site. If there is no objection, I should like to add this important new (to me) information to the "D12.pdf" document which contains all of the information which I had up to this time.
If you, or anyone else has any objections to this, please say so as any information which I have is presented as a free download from my web sites. My e-mail address is engpjk@yahoo.co.uk if anyone wants to contact me direct.
Is anybody carrying out experiments on electricity from pyramids at the present time?
All the best,
Patrick Kelly
Hi patric,
where can I find this D12.pdf?
greetings
walt
Hi Super,
Do you think they ( Siemens ) would be so kind as to talk with us about this?
It's far better for me to contact a person prplicating this idea and I'll do it.
I repeat: The point is to start from a real/ "touchable" setup!
What's your opinion, please?
Otherwise we'll risk to waste time here on forum!
Regards,
Dr. ovidiu ( Tigrotto)
Hi patric,
where can I find this D12.pdf?
greetings
walt
Hi Walter,
The link is here: http://www.panaceauniversity.org/D12.pdf
and you can find many other topics on this page: http://www.panaceauniversity.org/
rgds, Gyula
i have traslated this for tigrotto german to english.Or the video camera maybe? ;)
an because i have plaed this again and again , i understand
that this is kaked power.
this people have not found this , that traw?ger found.
give attention to video , to the meter , to nois of moter (shown the meter!!)
some switches was "clicking" extern . (possibly also noise from an extern motor . nothing is correct , not to see the cbles.
end of video , the person say : Now i swich off !!
from powersupply ???
Interesting.
Mister Nagel . live in my Home-City.Ok, and which way is that then ?
I tried to visite hime (no phonenumber) , so he is not open the dood,
even when he is in home.
I dont belive this video say more than an stupid fraud.
that was traw?ger have find was the correct way
even , when this video was made in Nagel?s home , than the pyramidewhich means what, exactly?
was not placed "exactly" to te earth magnet field in the right angel degree.
Well I'm sorry but I can't really make heads or tails of your post...
I guess you are saying it is faked, but I fail to see all of your points.
What is that bull about you not seeing a coloured disc? My pc fan does not have a coloured disc, nor can you see anything but a hazy blur when it's moving...
Why would they switch on a motor to get 5 volts? That just doesn't make any sense; a normal battery would suffice, and would also not give any sound...
As far as the motor that doesn't stop immediately after the power feed has stopped: that is quite normal for a motor that is running. Motors never halt immediately.
I do not follow your remark "what an cause if the energy is free and selfrunning". What do you mean?
And as to houses not built exactly to North-South axis: that is a generalisation you cannot just take as a fact. Som houses are aligned N-S almost exactly, and it is well possible the house where the vid was made is alighned properly. We simply don't know, because we do not see a compass. But there is also no reason to dismiss the possibility just because most houses are not properly aligned. That's like saying there's no such thing as a black swan, because most swans are white. Similarly incorrect logic.
Please explain your last statement on "experiences" as it is not clear what you mean?
@tigrotto: The Accu-loader was the Mother of my invention :-)
greets, Tom
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Hello Thomas , my english is not the best (i will mail you also in german.
I belive (in your words from this treads) that you.
I have also see this "rubbisch from Nagel, in Trier (is also my living-city)
I have 2 weeks ago to visit hin (unnecessary) ,alsohi is no opening the door!
If you give only an little attention to the tv-secret video , you can find an
lot of "unproffesional made frauds. also nothing from the spocken words
sound seriosly.
Even if you find any progress in your experiments , of even , if you will
"weak up" the folk here , Do this . i am shure that Stefan (moderator)
will give attention , that you must not comes in same "agressiv" people
here than in the forums that you find end of 2005.
I am sure that you "findings"was and are right!
best
Gustav Pese
www.cjb.net
.pese@marsmail.de
Hello, my name is Thomas Trawoeger, and if you believe it or not, i am the inventor of the Pyramide. I found this website, because i am searching all few months for news about me. ;D
Well, allow me to tell you some very important things about me and my invention:
When i startet with my project in the internet, i was in hope to find some people to help me understannding the phenomenia.
But what happend? I found only people wich wanted to present my work as fake.
Nobody was able to give any clever comment, but everybody wanted Details, Plans and Schematics.
As we stopped the website trt-biopower.at, plenty of people cryed "fake", and even the Scientist of a great german Company tryed everything to bring the Idea into a deep grave.
So i did the best in this time. (even the same thing you should do with stocks) Turn around, and sleep...
In the last 2 Years we investet plenty of money to stop fake-presentations of my invention in the Internet.
So we stopped Mr. Nagels Fake on secret.tv and plenty of stupid postings with faked plans.
Even a Company in UK selled "original construction Plans" for my Pyramide....
Is that all you need????
Everybody wants to get a prove or a demonstration of the function. But nobody pleased for it.
I only heared: Show us, or you are a faker.....
Now i make the official Offer for everybody:
Tell me, why you believe, that your help is constructive for me, and i will invite you to me, to proof my Pyramide.
But it?s not very interesting for me if you say: Show me, and i will believe you.
(I?m not Jesus, and i dont sell any religion)
I wish you a nice discussion, and you can believe that i am the real one...
Mr. Pese should know, that it?s me..
Yours sincerely
Thomas Trawoeger
(Mr. Flavio Thomas was a real Fake *maybe a wrong translation)
@spacetracks: Your Post is the major Problem of my research. We don?t have any idea, from where the energy is comming.
We tryed the pyramide in different areas, and even in a pharaday Cage, but it works. (but we have differences in the Power)
We found out, that the pyramide works best in areas with bad energy lines in the floor. (Wasseradern) but it?s not possible for us to say anything about the effect itself.
It?s a little ugly to see something without any idea of the principe...
Since 2006 we don?t dearch for the principe, we only search for the increasing of Output.
yours sincerely
Thomas
PS. Sorry for my bad english ;)
@spacetracks: Your Post is the major Problem of my research. We don?t have any idea, from where the energy is comming.
We tryed the pyramide in different areas, and even in a pharaday Cage, but it works. (but we have differences in the Power)
We found out, that the pyramide works best in areas with bad energy lines in the floor. (Wasseradern) but it?s not possible for us to say anything about the effect itself.
It?s a little ugly to see something without any idea of the principe...
Since 2006 we don?t dearch for the principe, we only search for the increasing of Output.
yours sincerely
Thomas
PS. Sorry for my bad english ;)
@spacetracks: Your Post is the major Problem of my research. We don?t have any idea, from where the energy is comming.
We tryed the pyramide in different areas, and even in a pharaday Cage, but it works. (but we have differences in the Power)
We found out, that the pyramide works best in areas with bad energy lines in the floor. (Wasseradern) but it?s not possible for us to say anything about the effect itself.
It?s a little ugly to see something without any idea of the principe...
Since 2006 we don?t dearch for the principe, we only search for the increasing of Output.
yours sincerely
Thomas
PS. Sorry for my bad english ;)
We found out, that the pyramide works best in areas with bad energy lines in the floor. (Wasseradern)
Hi Tom,
I think that if you post your designs here they will be safeguarded by our community (at overunity.com). This way it will not hidden away from all of us, but also there are so many brilliant people here with so many skills that it will no doubt be developed to it's ultimate capability.
So, in my humble opinion, if I were you, I would post the details of your research here for safekeeping and further development by the community.
Regards,
Mike
Hello all: After swimming in warm water (thermal bath) i want to answer for some of Questions here.
Well, in reality i?m not very interrestet in peace, freedom ans some other ethic questions.
Live showed me, that it is only important to keep peace in the own house. :P
We tryed a lot with great Companys, political assholes and some real "good friends" with very religious ideas, but absolutely no technical Background.
When i made my great travels in 2006 and partwise in 2007, i saw a lot of this beautyful Planet, but it doesn?t matter where you go, everywhere you will find war, twilight and cruel.
I can swear you, that even the best invention will not make peace and freedom, and as i saw, the people are only interrestet to make money and you can believe me: Nobody wants to install Pyramides to solve energy-problems in this world.
The best offers we got from people wich only wants to bring the technology behind fat walls!
Thats the only true, and this is what made me a little carefully.
Of Course, the storys that we sold our invention in 2006 where true. But the Contract was broken from the other Side.
(It was written to provide this technologie and it was written, that the puplic will be informend about every Step.)
But what happened really?: Everything was top secret, and on the end, the nice guys told me, that they found out: there was no function anytime!..... But they cashed nice and brave more than 390.000 Euros in little portions for more than a year....
Well, we took the Contract to Judgement, and we won the right about our "Non functioned invention".
Now the other side was going to the Judge, because they found a function this Summer....
(This is like Children-Play)
Meanwhile, i am allowed to speak, and i will speak. But i don?t know, how i will make it right this time...
Maybe we will only communicate with Universitys, to find out where this power is coming from...
(But you will find no University for that Theme :-(
Maybe you have some idea, to solve this problem....
Maybe it would be really a good idea, to provide all plans here in the Internet, but what happens, if we do this????
believe me, the planet will not become more friendly...
Nice greeting
Tom
Hallo Hans ,
bin ja wirklich ?berrascht wo Du Dich ?berall auskennst .!!!
Deine Vita w?rde mich ja schon mal interessieren , auf Deiner Seite ist ja nicht viel zu erfahren .
Gru? aus der alten Heimat
Micha
This is like christmas,@Karl
Thomas many thanks for your tune in.
Here a few Links with datas about this task.
Something for the warm evenings bofore we start:
Basic Informations
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Pyramidal_Electric_Transducer
Grandics paper
http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/Pyramid/GrandicsIE73.pdf
Grandics patent
http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PALL&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.htm&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=6,974,110.PN.&OS=PN/6,974,110&RS=PN/6,974,110
Frohes Schaffen
Karl
Just curious Thomas,
It's great that you are, but why are you here?
From your last website letter you clearly state that this invention is now a closed topic, and you can not discuss much about it.
Believing that this company that clearly now has control over your invention will eventually release it to the public in one form or the other, is quite naive....it hasn't happened yet, and there have been several similar occurances like this in the past with other inventions and discoveries.
I'm afraid that as long as you have handed over control of your discovery to some industrial interest, your invention will never see the light of day.
Disclosing your invention publicly would have been the fastest and surest way of seeing it becoming developed in efficiency and scale, and for it to stay in the public domain.
Alas, it is but too late.
Steven Mark's TPU is a perfect example of what happens when you hand over the technology (for token payment) to a company that convinces you your discovery will be developed and marketed.
Hello all:
First of all, i want to thank all the people here for the serious speak in this forum.
(I could tell you from older times and other forums..)
So i am happy, that i found this community here.
But some of the old problems are still alive. Plenty of Contacts and plenty of Questions.
(Well, this is absolutely normal, but it could give some conflicts because i have a Job, and not too much time under the week)
The last two years showed us, that it is impossible to find a fair industrie for marketing this idea.
So i think, it will be the best, to swap the invention here in the Internet.
We will start in the first week of december to give you a detailed step by step Plan to construct pyramides everywhere in the world.
And everybody with a little feeling in Technic and Tools should be able to construct his own pyramide.
So everybody can proof the System, and maybe we can construct a small Community, where everybody is able to help the others...
I will construct a pyramide with plenty of pictures, measures, and so we can make it togehter and Online.
Its also possible to find some area in the Internet, where we can discuss problems and sucsess in a kind of Forum.
This will stop all problems with marketing, nobody will be the great Star, and so we have a good tool against all kind of Fakers.
Nobody can tell the world, that he is the great inventor of this idea, because it is fully opened in the Internet.
And maybe, we can show the Industry the long finger, because they can?t put the Idea into the grave...
I know, this is not in the interest of a few guys here, but it is the best for the great mass....
yours sincerely
Thomas Trawoeger
PS. We will broadcast all the news, and the location of our Project here just in Time!...
So please stop to ask me for Plans and Datails. You have my word, that you will get it.
We only want to make it secure, and without any problems with any laws....
Well Guys, so we will do it :-)
i reserved a special Website (small and secure), and i will give you the Link as soon as we can put in the Content.
There are only 3 Questions:
1.) My english is a little poor, and so we have to decide, if we provide the Info in english or in german.
(any comments?)
2.)Is it possible to check the personality of a websiteuser without Credit-Card or something else?
(we want to give access only to real persons <fake-defense>)
(any comments?)
3.) Is there any idea to hold my impressum silent, Phone and Mail got a little stressy the last hours....
(impressums are necessary to hold a website legal, bur i know from older times the negative sides of this..)
yours sincerely
Tom
i reserved a special Website (small and secure), and i will give you the Link as soon as we can put in the Content.
1.) My english is a little poor, and so we have to decide, if we provide the Info in english or in german.
(any comments?)
2.)Is it possible to check the personality of a websiteuser without Credit-Card or something else?
(we want to give access only to real persons <fake-defense>)
(any comments?)
3.) Is there any idea to hold my impressum silent, Phone and Mail got a little stressy the last hours....
(impressums are necessary to hold a website legal, bur i know from older times the negative sides of this..)
Thanks for the Plan6 Thomas.
I have an expensive German-English translator, so unless someone else is already doing this, I'll run the Plan6 text through and post it here.
Perhaps Stefan could re-post the 3 pages of diagrams (the pdf files) with English notation to complement the translated text?
Cheers,
Darren
Freezer,
Back a few posts, someone mentioned that it would be good to get translation without having to use Google, presumably because Google's translator does a poor job. Pay attention mate.
I have a real translation program, but then again, maybe I'll just keep it to myself ;)
Cheers
Hy Guys,
In order to not disturb many times Thomas :
1. Did someone knows to post here the circuit of the Thomas's experiment, please? I'm ready to start but missing some pieces of puzzle...
2. Again about "our German language" knowledges :
I tried to translate using the best of internet on line dictionary: www.babylon.com ( it is downloadable for free for 7 days).
Conclusion: Even if I had some basic knowledge of german, I didn't manage to understand many important points ( from a language point of view) . Again, I didn't understand ( maybe due to my poor "German") what's the circuit diagram of the experimental setup.
3. Important technical points:
A. What about the MAGNET ? The drawing didn't mention about it . Where and how to support it? What kind of magnet? Everyone can be usefull?
B. The capacitor is "closed in a cage"?
C. The setup posted on Thomas's new website is not identical to that showed in the famous video.
4. Concerning points:
When replicating , we have to know ( and i repeat again) : What are those important details to take account on and what are those not very important as : size, dimensions, materials, and so on...
Just curious: What version was showed in that much-talked -about video?
Thanks,
Ovidiu Petria
(Italy)
He is saying here that other people have recently just asked him, like you, where is the magnet and what about it?
So, Thomas says in German there that the magnet isn't needed for a working device and the magnet was only included as a rouse (a way to trick fakers and liers). He says above that by making it look like the magnet was needed in the video, he could instantly tell if later on someone was faking this device and technology, because a magnet IS NOT NEEDED. He also states that this plan worked and Mr. Nagel showed a magnet in his pyramid, which instantly showed Thomas that he was faking his technology.
Quite a genius move Thomas!
And Tigrotto, Thomas said that he will release all the further details in the next coming days, he just wanted to release that Plan v6 as soon as possible so as to secure his safety. Plus, the Plan v6 pyramid is a different one than the famous video, a variant of that video pyramid.
Please, check if correct.
ONLY one question : The electric POINT (E) : see electrical circuit, where have to be connected????
@ Tigrotto
I think you would have a great surprise if you found out just what kind of people are keeping an eye on a site like this, just in case one of us "nuts" comes up with something that upsets the apple cart.
Hans von Lieven
Special Thanks and greetings to Tao and Mikey.
PS. You have my Word, that we bring this Project to Final :D
Hi everybody,
I just posted here the electric circuit I think would be .
Please, could someone answer to my question : Where to connect point E, please?
"Oil closes in on $100 a barrel"
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ca88b4fe-97ec-11dc-9e08-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1
I want to see the Bush face,when he will know that the petrol is no more useful.....
It will be a great personal satisfaction.... ;D ;D ;D
Mine is little humor,whaiting the end of tyranny. ;D
Maybe you havent calculated the conseguences of the new technology on global scale....
If the pyamids wil works,I suggest Mr.Trawoeger as winner of the Overunity Prize,just for his benevolence to the humankind...Well I would like to conclusively determine whether there is actual over unity going on before we do that ;)
Apologize to all!
I'll wait !
I didn't dare to hurt nobody here.
Special Thanks and greetings to Tao and Mikey.
PS. You have my Word, that we bring this Project to Final :D
@Tigrotto,Was soll passieren
I am thinking those questions will be answered when we build the pyramid, run it then check the materials to see what degradation has taken place to the materials after testing...no? Just my thoughts.
@pese,These machine translators need short clipped sentances, with no slang, no abbreviations,
I am not sure what you mean, I translated your response using babelfish but the result does not make much sense, can you re-post in english please?
Hallo Pese,Deie Ventilatoren habeb ?blicherweise 9 bzw 12wat in der Gr?sser wie im Video.
die Ventilatoren ziehen aber ganz sch?n Strom.
Ich glaube 4WDC@12V ist da normal. ?ber 1000 Stunden mit nur 1V kann ich mir fast nicht vorstellen.
Vielleicht eine kleine Vorspannung die als Sourcedipol eingesetzt wird.
Interresant ist aber zu wissen wie der Wissensschatz zustande gekommen sein soll.
Das geht mich aber nichts an.
Das Jonglierprinzip wird ja gerade induziert (micro TPU).
Eine Schwingquelle (nicht die Schwingkammer) kann nat?rlich auch wenige freie Ladungstr?ger sehr oft bewegen.
Die Anregungsrichtung ist dabei interresant.
Ein Energ8iewirbel im Zentrum kann nat?rlich einen flie?enden Strom als Muster einpr?gen.
Vielleicht eine Art hom?opatischer Elektronenanreger.
Deine Kritik ist berechtigt.
Time will tell...
Hallo Pese,
die Ventilatoren ziehen aber ganz sch?n Strom.
Ich glaube 4WDC@12V ist da normal. ?ber 1000 Stunden mit nur 1V kann ich mir fast nicht vorstellen.
Vielleicht eine kleine Vorspannung die als Sourcedipol eingesetzt wird.
Interresant ist aber zu wissen wie der Wissensschatz zustande gekommen sein soll.
Das geht mich aber nichts an.
Das Jonglierprinzip wird ja gerade induziert (micro TPU).
Eine Schwingquelle (nicht die Schwingkammer) kann nat?rlich auch wenige freie Ladungstr?ger sehr oft bewegen.
Die Anregungsrichtung ist dabei interresant.
Ein Energ8iewirbel im Zentrum kann nat?rlich einen flie?enden Strom als Muster einpr?gen.
Vielleicht eine Art hom?opatischer Elektronenanreger.
Deine Kritik ist berechtigt.
Time will tell...
Hi All,
here is an edited circuit diagram I did to the Prof. Ovidiu
diagram.
I think this is now the correct version.
The saltwater MUST touch the graphite electrode, but the saltwater must be
only inside the lower part, so the graphite electrodes must not be fully in the saltwater.
Okay, here is the graphics, click on it to see its full size:
@Tigrotto,
yes, the sand is filled up into the whole copper tubbing,
so the graphite rods are inside the tube all covered with sand,
maybe not just the top of them, where the wires are connected...
this we still need to ask Mr. Traw?ger..
But the saltwater is only injected into the left hole until it drops
out at the right hole, so only the lower parts of the graphite rods
stand in the wet sand-saltwater.
He said too much saltwater is not good...
Just a bit wet sand. So this is basically a galvanic cell and produces around
0.7 to 1 Volt DC voltage.
Maybe this is just an energizer voltage so the LC circuit resonates..
but normally you need some kind of active device like a transistor to
control the oscillation...
I don?t yet understand how this thing generates DC voltage at the output
and also this high....19 Volts.. andso much power...
Well, we need to research this.
Regards, Stefan.
@Tigrotto,
yes, the sand is filled up into the whole copper tubbing,
so the graphite rods are inside the tube all covered with sand,
maybe not just the top of them, where the wires are connected...
this we still need to ask Mr. Traw?ger..
But the saltwater is only injected into the left hole until it drops
out at the right hole, so only the lower parts of the graphite rods
stand in the wet sand-saltwater.
He said too much saltwater is not good...
Just a bit wet sand. So this is basically a galvanic cell and produces around
0.7 to 1 Volt DC voltage.
Maybe this is just an energizer voltage so the LC circuit resonates..
but normally you need some kind of active device like a transistor to
control the oscillation...
I don?t yet understand how this thing generates DC voltage at the output
and also this high....19 Volts.. andso much power...
Well, we need to research this.
Regards, Stefan.
PS. I?m a little sad, that some people wich are reading here didn?t spend any word to the community. Ther are some guys from Thailand and US tell me great storys, but noone will give here any sentence...
It?s not fair, to get informations from this Site, but stay silent, if some success appeares.
I will remember to this guys, and i am not shure, if i will invite you to my website :-\
PS. I?m a little sad, that some people wich are reading here didn?t spend any word to the community. Ther are some guys from Thailand and US tell me great storys, but noone will give here any sentence...
It?s not fair, to get informations from this Site, but stay silent, if some success appeares.
I will remember to this guys, and i am not shure, if i will invite you to my website :-\
Hi Thomas
I am confused with this paragraph above. I cannot wait to replicate your Pyramid, but I thought you requested that no one write on your site or register on your site till it is live?
Looking forward to it going live :)
Cheers
Sean.
Sean,
Thomas was just saying that he is getting emails from people showing their successes, but those same people won't post their results on overunity.com, not his site.
1. The internal circuit is "hanging" in one point only(A), that is not a closed circuit!This looks like a microwave generator!!!
2. The calculated oscillation frequency of the LC assembly is around 8MHz.
3. Extremely strange for a DC source ( as it really is): The "shunt resistance" of the Voltage generator is "Infinite" !!! We "collect" the power from the 25x140mm capacitor! Never heard before , but... it works!
Conclusion : ? ( By now!)
@REQUEST TO ALL (of the fools here:-)
Is anybody still in Construction? Is anybody willing to give us reports?
It would be nice, to give me that kind of Message, because i spent also a lot of time for you :-*
Hello Community
The website www.trawoeger-pyramide.info is now Online, all Mirrors work proper, and the system should work stable.
You can register, make traffic and Check the stability till we lauch on next Monday.
Have some nice days.
Please regard my spacial Message to: Mr. PESE, Mr. HARTMANN, and TIGROTTO on my Website
Have some nice day,
Thomas
@fritz,
Thanks for your special attention you paid to my posting here,
I'm proud for the fact that by my input we finally understood how to built the electric circuit.
OK!
@fritz,
Thanks for your special attention you paid to my posting here,
I'm proud for the fact that by my input we finally understood how to built the electric circuit.
OK!
No microwaves behaviour, also because it looks like the osc. frecv. should be around 8MHz( easy to calculate the Llegt-CCentral-Lright circuit frecq.).
Can no longer access the pyramide website. Is it just me or are others having problems?
@pese, thanks
@all
this might already have been said, but just in case I would like to state it now:
it is important to construct the pyramid according to the measurements of the GOLDEN MEAN.
most of the things in earths nature are "made" that way, even the humans...and the Gizeh Pyramids
are also built that way. there is a reason for it. Some call it the 'divine geometry' (has nothing to do with religion).
Eden
@koen1Oh, but it is very easy to say THAT you don't know. It's stating exactly WHAT you do not know that is difficult ;)
You can only say , WHAT OU KNOW
You cant never SAY that YOU NOT KNOW
You can NEVER SA that that wat i KNOW is WRONGI fear you misunderstand my point.
- because do have not the knowledge and not READ al that
Trawoeger have written in Forum or mailed with me.
FORGET IT.Forget WHAT exactly?
Is no Problem to take 1meter or take the Dimension from GIZEHWell if that is the case then it shouldn't be a problem to use any dimensions as long at it is still a pyramid of some kind...right?
or any other Phra,mide in THIS WORLD.
Only the Flat must by an rigt square .It also makes not sense speak as Yoda to do. Better people will understand this not. ;) Sorry for the joke. :)
It make not "sense" to ask , if all people know this better .
If you look for an "kindergarden" this is not the right place.No, indeed this is not a kindergarten, this is a forum.
IT IS TRUE that T.T. say in this forum take all ARMS 1 meter longAh, well at least this part is clear. :)
So all folks build on the same ITEM .
So he can better explay and leading you to an working
device . That is the only reason, to say NOW 1 Meter !
If you will have right , no problem , hold it , so long as you want itPardon?
Server Script started on Nov. 26. 2007 0 mirrors watching........ All Mirrors infected... SQL Database deleted by * ADMIRAL BLACK :-)*
Mirror system gives red alert!
Yeah, What happened to the site????? I did receive a message PESE
Who ever the heck he is?????
Bill
Hello outside there:
Well, our nice Servers and mirrors get bombed totally... Everything is damaged, all SQL?s are deleted, and if we take the backups to the Servers, everything is deleted in less than 30 seconds... (I am that sad, because you can?t see my tears in the eyes)
Well, we have to search for a better way to go ahead. Maybe we can go online this evening....
ng, Tom
(It seems to become "kindergarden" still on this site! Mr. KOEN, and Mr. PESE!)
The right guys will have access to these File, and i hope, you know, how to get in....Hmmmm, maybe I am not one of the right guys......
I just watched as all the files and directories were erased from www.trawoeger-pyramide.info! I kept refreshing the site and I could see the directory structure being removed as I kept refreshing!
I just watched as all the files and directories were erased from www.trawoeger-pyramide.info! I kept refreshing the site and I could see the directory structure being removed as I kept refreshing!
We cxan build the V6..
bourne said "We can do nothing but wait and keep calm. WRONG
We cxan build the V6...
Message to Herr Trawoeger. I really hope you and your family keep safe. It is easy for us guys. Talking is cheap. You are the man who is in "line of fire" and we are all thinking of you. It would be nice if you could spare a few minutes to help Tinu.
This bit is for English speaking people. We owe a lot to Thomas, and out of respect, it would be nice if we could say his name correctly. My German friend says, it is pronounced as
TRAVOLGA , each letter A sounds the same as in cat.I hope this is right.
Greetings from Neptune in the UK
Hello outside there:Thomas,
Well, our nice Servers and mirrors get bombed totally... Everything is damaged, all SQL?s are deleted, and if we take the backups to the Servers, everything is deleted in less than 30 seconds... (I am that sad, because you can?t see my tears in the eyes)
Well, we have to search for a better way to go ahead. Maybe we can go online this evening....
ng, Tom
(It seems to become "kindergarden" still on this site! Mr. KOEN, and Mr. PESE!)
Your faithful mod here!
That is horrible what has happened to the site, but it only confirms what we know about certain people that don't want information to reach the masses.
06.12.2007 - Thomas Traw?ger (www.trawoeger-pyramide.info)
Thanks for your participation, maybe we see us again, some times....
yours sincerely
Tom
http://www.trawoeger-pyramide.info/index.php?offset=6 (http://www.trawoeger-pyramide.info/index.php?offset=6)Quote06.12.2007 - Thomas Traw?ger (www.trawoeger-pyramide.info)
Thanks for your participation, maybe we see us again, some times....
yours sincerely
Tom
What does this mean ? Project closed ? ???
Welcome to TPP Project
This Domain will stay closed!
I don't understand your drawing, but i have made a 3D model for the frame structure (with reduced length, but this doesn't affect the angles).
If you have the 'Google Sketchup' software (it's freeware) i could also post the model here then you could load it and measure any angle you want. :)
Can you please post your 3D model? Thank you.
Marcel
Could you show the lengths also. I think you will find that they change with the angle.
Here's the issue. I'm in the US I had to buy 3/8" tubing, 19.04mm, so I'm trying to redraw these.
Also i think I was ripped off by local hobby shop 6.80euros for meter of square tubes. Bastards.
I have the converter hanging in the open to do some testing, seeing 0.266mv as of this typing.
Had a typo It is 293.5 mV not 0.293 mV
Great link Thanks
So the spec for the air cap is10 plates @ 70mm (2.7559") X 35mm(1.3779527") with a 1mm spacing = 0.000195uF or 195 pF
yes vipond50 the value for capacitance of the air capacitor with 10 plates; 70mm X 35mm with a 1mm spacing is 195pF ;(It is like a 9 condensators in paralel with this values=>C=195,235*10^-12 F)
I wish yoy luck!
... Hmmm... What frequency Tesla was using in his Wardenclyffe experiment? :o ;)
George
Well, tomorrow is the day when Thomas is scheduled to release theV12 files.
06.12.2007 - Thomas Traw?ger (www.trawoeger-pyramide.info)
Thanks for your participation, maybe we see us again, some times....
yours sincerely
Tom
The device has NOTHING to work what my school physics or EE is explicable say to me.
I could easily say my website was hacked and replace the page with a message saying "this domain will stay closed" and who would know any different? For the gullable this makes them believe its real even more, next thing you know he will decide to sell the plans now that he is a legend.
The device has NOTHING to work what my school physics or EE is explicable say to me.
I agree. In the context of conventional physics, the device is completely nonsense.
If it really would work, physicists would really have problems to explain why. ;)
If we get all the details and people are able to construct a working device I will happily eat my words...
I think the problem is that if somebody sees a wound up wire - he thinks its a coil -
having a coil there makes him looking for a capacitor - then he can use the nice
formulas and is crazy as hell that he is able to calculate a frequency.
I could easily say my website was hacked and replace the page with a message saying "this domain will stay closed" and who would know any different?
D.
I could easily say my website was hacked and replace the page with a message saying "this domain will stay closed" and who would know any different?
D.
if you ca say . IT MUST NIT BE UNTRUE !
Even if it need time , to clear up with his lawer , when the ist angry from surpressing.
We have an "start-pont" to dou aur own exeriences now. . Devices oroeundt ths "basic-knowledge"
WILL WORK. Ask not : why?.
Pese
I also don't think that the 'pyramid energy' (if there really is one) has anything to do with conventional EM fields.
If this would be the case, they could be easily measured with conventional equipment.
.Does anyone have a link for this? I believe the wire for the coils was 3mm[one wound clockwise and one anticlockwise.] 9 turns on each side. SALT water level determined by lower hole. Do not block holes.The3mm diameter graphite rods touch the sand. Fill entire tube structure with sand. The central capacitor has 5 pos plates and 5 neg. with air spacing.However I plan to use a plastic dielectric. I am NOT the expert. Just trying to help. Best to post future questions here. There are better brains here than mine. Happy experimenting everyone.
So why am I seeing fluctuations in the readings by just rotating the Z axis?
So I ask again.... how many are actually working this ? ?Bill,
Group....If we don't test, we will not acquire any new data.
So I ask again.... how many are actually working this ? ?
Does not seem like a unfair question, but maybe it is ?
So I ask again.... how many are actually working this ? ?
Does not seem like a unfair question, but maybe it is ?
Look to www.trawoeger-pyramide.info, and follow the small klickable hint on the Site:
Here you will get the Full V12 File (74,2 MM-Zipped)
TT wants to fuck the destroyers....
The thickness of wire in the coils ha s not actually been specified[unless someone knows better.] and so may not be critical.
btw. how are the cabels connected to the graphid sticks ?
For graphic rods you can get them at hobby store, they use them in R/C planes. They have all sizes. don't know if its the right stuff but easy to get.
Leads for pencils don't have the correct technical properties as Thomas stated.
I seem to remember Thomas made comments about the correct graphite rods to use, but i can not remember exactly what he said. [ its my age] seem to think he said carbon rods from batteries would work, but it would be hard to find these in the right proportions.
Some of them didn't turn out to be true.Any examples for such a statement (besides the release of info announced for today) ??
QuoteSome of them didn't turn out to be true.Any examples for such a statement (besides the release of info announced for today) ??
For anyone who has an actual pyramid, and not yet built a converter, here i s a silly little experiment to try. Get 2 Ni cad rechargeable batteries, and totally discharge them, as shown by a voltmeter Place one cell horizontally inside the focus of the pyramid, with the positive terminal pointing north, and leave it for say 12 hours. leave the other cell on the bench as a controll. after 12 hours, compare the 2cell voltages. I would try it myself, but have not built the actual pyramid yet as I am still working on the converter. I dot expect it to work, but who knows...others have claimed it does.
This time when i had the chance to gather more data, i save everything i could relating. So that being said, some maybe helpful to workers and some me just be redundant, but i offer it all to the group if the group wants it. Tell me where and how u want it and i will try to get it to U.
I had one NiCad battery in my garage laying for at least half a year there. This morning right after you post the message I checked the voltage - was 0.45VDC I placed it in the pyramid not even exactly at the center. Now I am reading 0.55. I will report the progress.
I had one NiCad battery in my garage laying for at least half a year there. This morning right after you post the message I checked the voltage - was 0.45VDC I placed it in the pyramid not even exactly at the center. Now I am reading 0.55. I will report the progress.
Did you make both measurements at the same temperature ?
If it was cold inside the garage the higher temperature in the house could be responsible for the increased voltage.
Hello Group
.................
So that being said, some maybe helpful to workers and some me just be redundant, but i offer it all to the group if the group wants it. Tell me where and how u want it and i will try to get it to U.
http://rapidshare.com/files/75457154/Pyramid_Zip_Files.zip
Let me know
The copper coated gouging rods seem to be unavailable at least in Germany. I went to a shop which sells welding supplies to small companies (not a hobby shop) and they didn't even know what i was talking about. I also asked a professional welder and he told me that these rods are not used any more for many years. Maybe they are still available in other countries. If this is the case maybe someone from there could send a package of these rods over here to someone who can distribute them to all interested people.
Walter,
here are a link to a supplier of the gouging rods
http://www.mcmaster.com/
Ref. NiCd
Can it be , that if the battery thay was liging over month or jear,
can change the voltage (not in any way the power) , if the battery
is moved , turned. , comes to another position ?
(I think on liquid (Kalilauge) NiCd Batteries ! If this was an DRYCell
tahan i must not think on "this" possibility
Pese
I think one of the reasons that Thomas dont want to support us, is because seems that people had fear to show their results.Two people claimed success,but no one wanted to become public.His principal goal was to get replicas of his devices from indipendent people,to show the result to the world.If no one want to show their success,there is no reason to continue.....
Regards,
Cyrano
@all
Here is an single html document of Thomas's Posts plus a seperate set of documents containing 119 posts to the TPP-Project..
-Duff
Hello Duff
I do not understand your Q What do u mean??
Have any of u had a problem accessing the Overunity site???
Made it this time, but fought like hell 10 minutes ago
Keep getting this message
"User 'hartiberlin1' has exceeded the 'max_questions' resource (current
value: 100000)"
What does this mean ?
Thanks Bill
If you had you & your family's life threatened how would your react?
Made it this time, but fought like hell 10 minutes ago
Keep getting this message
"User 'hartiberlin1' has exceeded the 'max_questions' resource (current
value: 100000)"
What does this mean ?
What I really hope is that the guys who complete and do not get it working, publish their results, or lack of them
What I really hope is that the guys who complete and do not get it working, publish their results, or lack of them
If it's not working, this is also a result.
In this case, there are three possibilities:
a) it was not built correctly
b) it was built correctly, but other factors (e.g. the environment/surroundings of the pyramid) prevent any functionality
c) the whole project is a fake, and can never and nowhere be a success
In cases a) and b) there is a good chance to fix it by comparing results.
any how what I am wondering is if there is allready a seperate group who did get via PM the plans because they dont show up here anymore ( ovidio and some others)
I does not matter to me but it is just strange.
Just got idea to build galvanic cell from piece of copper tube stick from pecil and some sand + salt water how much Volts it would give. It would be interesting to learn about these things as it plays some role seems in device.
Made it this time, but fought like hell 10 minutes ago
Keep getting this message
"User 'hartiberlin1' has exceeded the 'max_questions' resource (current
value: 100000)"
What does this mean ?
DoS attack? Had same problem in the morning. Now it is ok.
MT
To find center I was thinking of making a small hole in center of plates then using a laser pointer, to shoot through the hole, might be better than rods, we see.
To find center I was thinking of making a small hole in center of plates then using a laser pointer, to shoot through the hole, might be better than rods, we see.
I think the best way to find the center is not fiddling around with rods or laser pointers, but to calculate and measure it. ::)
The center of the pyramid has to be exactly on the middle axis, so draw the diagonals of the base, and the center is where they intersect each other. So we have the x and y coordinates. For the z coordinate we have to know which kind of center we are looking for. I thought it was clear until i tried to construct it on paper, and also looked at Thomas' sketches.
There are 2 possibilities:
You could take the side planes of the pyramid, which are equal-sides triangles, and construct the middle point of each side plane, which is approx. 29 cm above the base (measured on the plane). When the plane is slanted (mounted on the pyramid) then this point is approx. 23.5 cm above the base plane. When you now construct a line perpendicular to the side plane through this point, it will not even reach the line going from the center of the base upwards to the top of the pyramid.
Thomas has drawn a sketch where he constructed the perpendicular lines from half the height of the pyramid. Then they intersect with the center line, but his sketch is not plausible because he sketched a equal-sides triangle as side-view of the pyramid, which it is not (in the side view the base is 1 m and the two other sides are 0.86 m).
Mounting the converter:
I would suggest not hanging it from the top of the pyramid, but placing it on a stick which is mounted on the base plane.
This gives more flexibility for finding the exact location and orientation (in my opinion).
I did the construction and the centerline of the side planes and the midle axis intercept exactly at a hight of 180mm from the base.
The Air Carbon-Gouging Electrodes are not as rare or unknown in Germany as stated by skywatcher.
Try looking up "Kohleelektrode" in Google!
You can even get them via www.ebay.de (a little bit thick though, item number 120195729622).
Here are only a few examples and links for "Kohlelektrode" which are the same copper coated air carbon-gouging electrodes as stated by Walter Hofmann:
http://www.muehlmeier.de/schweisskat/katalog_039.php (http://www.muehlmeier.de/schweisskat/katalog_039.php)
http://www.rehm-schweisstechnik.de/index.php?xC=Kohleelektroden&sessID=39f4a45c89c12b7429808e8177798f17
(http://www.rehm-schweisstechnik.de/index.php?xC=Kohleelektroden&sessID=39f4a45c89c12b7429808e8177798f17)
http://www.produkte24.com/ctp/2813/1/normal/ (http://www.produkte24.com/ctp/2813/1/normal/)
Greetings, Pontifex
Hi vipond50,
As far as I can remember the thickness required was 1/2 an inch (12mm) for the gypsum boards.
Thanks for sharing with us.
Best regards
2toxic4u
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I would suggest not hanging it from the top of the pyramid, but placing it on a stick which is mounted on the base plane.What do you mean finding the exact location and orientation? It's supposed to be right smack in the center of the pyramid... Not much other locations to try, really...
This gives more flexibility for finding the exact location and orientation (in my opinion).
And I also thought there was a reason for mounting the convertor hanging from the apex, as the convertor and its suspension are copper tubing, connected to the apex of the pyramid. Obviously a conductive connection to the conductive pyramid frame will have different properties than no conductive connection to the frame.
Although Trawoeger has not said so, it seems to me this conductive connection plays a role. I may be mistaken, of course.
Hey, what happened to the forum at www.trawoeger-pyramide.info ?
What kind of sick joke is that? First you lure all the interested people to your forum,
you run it for 2 weeks, then you whipe the entire forum without even telling any of the registered users by email?
Why?
This lowers my respect for mr Trawoeger tremendously. Get people excited and then disappoint them by whiping all info?
Surely the few lurkers that did not share information cannot be the reason for this?
I thought the entire idea was to have an active forum for people to discuss the pyramid replications, variations, and theory?
If this is the way Trawoeger tries to stimulate the pyramid "community", then perhaps he should do a quick course in social interaction?
[snip]
any how what I am wondering is if there is allready a seperate group who did get via PM the plans because they dont show up here anymore ( ovidio and some others)
[snip]
greetings
walt
[snip]
any how what I am wondering is if there is allready a seperate group who did get via PM the plans because they dont show up here anymore ( ovidio and some others)
[snip]
greetings
walt
maybe..... ;D
Tigrotto: Last active: Today at 02:25:50 PM
I have had my frame spot welded for a while and have been struggling with the issue of the 3/8" pipe.
I was unable to find 3/8" pipe at a reasonable cost (they wanted $100 for 20' length) and had substituted 3/8 rod instead. Now I think I need to look for pipe again before I weld this thing up...
I have conducted an experiment to see if something happen.
Half glass cup was filled with quartzsand and exposed to the focus of the pyramid for a couple of days.Than I put in the glass some tapwater to make the sand just wet.I inserted the two graphite electrodes and I connected my meter on voltage reading.The meter jumped at the end of the scale!.But was less 2 Volts....The test was reapeated some time later but this time the meter showd few mV at every reading.Again,after some time the reading turned to zero and not resuscitated..... Is it a real proof od something?.(The wet sand not exposed to the pyramid dont show any voltage.)
Regards,
Cyrano
Half glass cup was filled with quartzsand and exposed to the focus of the pyramid for a couple of days.Than I put in the glass some tapwater to make the sand just wet.I inserted the two graphite electrodes and I connected my meter on voltage reading.The meter jumped at the end of the scale!.But was less 2 Volts....The test was reapeated some time later but this time the meter showd few mV at every reading.Again,after some time the reading turned to zero and not resuscitated..... Is it a real proof od something?.(The wet sand not exposed to the pyramid dont show any voltage.)
ANYONE HERE WITH A SCOPE, CAN TAKE SOME PICS OF SIGNAL OUTPUT COMING FROM THE CENTRAL CAP INSIDE THE PYRAMID?.THANK YOU.
Still, even if the site was hacked, there's backup isn't there?
We could put it back online again? And again, and again, if they keep hacking it...
Been looking for the right sand now, what about this http://www.michaels.com/art/online/displayProductPage?productNum=fl0163
Will check out Walmart for bird gravel tonight. We are getting closer every day,
Also get 3/8" plastic tube, go and get one 20" toilet or sink tubes, then get 1/2" poly adapt, one with threads and other end with V groves. This end fits perfect into T 1/2" copper. The 20" sink tube need a little tape to fit tight into poly adapter. Easy and cheap
@Skywatcher
All that you are saying was made.I have a scientific background.I posted the result to see if I'm becoming crazy or not,(to see if someone else is able to reply the experiment...).No,I havent the gypsyum plates mounted,because I used a different pyramid made of aluminium pipes.and with little dimensions...
@Skywatcher
All that you are saying was made.I have a scientific background.I posted the result to see if I'm becoming crazy or not,(to see if someone else is able to reply the experiment...).No,I havent the gypsyum plates mounted,because I used a different pyramid made of aluminium pipes.and with little dimensions...
TT say?d
Aluminium WILL NOT WORK
Pese
TT say?d
Aluminium WILL NOT WORK
3.) Der Pyramidenrahmen beteht aus einfachem Stahl (St38) welcher geschweisst und lackiert ist. Ich kann best?tigen, dass das Material des Pyramidenaufbaues bei der Funktion ?berhaupt keine Rolle spielt.
Der Rahmen sollte nur stabil sein, sonst nichts.
@ guys in US
I have had my frame spot welded for a while and have been struggling with the issue of the 3/8" pipe.
I was unable to find 3/8" pipe at a reasonable cost (they wanted $100 for 20' length) and had substituted 3/8 rod instead. Now I think I need to look for pipe again before I weld this thing up...
Where did you guys locate your 3/8" pipe.
-Duff
after inserting the frame in to the pyramid frame ( no cover jet) and standing inside my metall workshop on top of a table saw with cardboard connecting the neg to the pyramide frame and the positive to ether of the rods the voltage did fluctuate from 0.231V to 0.482V but only at DC setting nothing at AC setting. I also did see a increase of voltage by turning the frame out of the center north line to NNE about 5 degree.
Hi all,
I just tested the pure copper frame with the graphite rods and the bottom filled with saltwater solution. by connecting the neg to outside of copper pipe and pos. to each of the graphite rods the result was 0.456V and 0.461V. after inserting the frame in to the pyramid frame ( no cover jet) and standing inside my metall workshop on top of a table saw with cardboard connecting the neg to the pyramide frame and the positive to ether of the rods the voltage did fluctuate from 0.231V to 0.482V but only at DC setting nothing at AC setting. I also did see a increase of voltage by turning the frame out of the center north line to NNE about 5 degree. this actually confirme's that the magnetic northpool is about 5 degree West of the geographic northpool, maybe this is also the reason what TT talked a while back and in his video that there was a change by turning the pyramide a bit out of direct north but he did turn the whole pyramide. I try this too but it did not bring the same result.
this was a realy neat experiement
greetings
walt
Thats good news Walt and my question did you ground the frame to earth ground, this is very important. I will try the same test tonight as mine is covered and ready to go.
Wayne
after inserting the frame in to the pyramid frame ( no cover jet) and standing inside my metall workshop on top of a table saw with cardboard connecting the neg to the pyramide frame and the positive to ether of the rods the voltage did fluctuate from 0.231V to 0.482V but only at DC setting nothing at AC setting. I also did see a increase of voltage by turning the frame out of the center north line to NNE about 5 degree.
Sounds not bad. ;)
How much is the voltage difference between maximum and minimum voltage when you turn the pyramid through a range of 90 deg. ?
Hi all,
I just tested the pure copper frame with the graphite rods and the bottom filled with saltwater solution. by connecting the neg to outside of copper pipe and pos. to each of the graphite rods the result was 0.456V and 0.461V. after inserting the frame in to the pyramid frame ( no cover jet) and standing inside my metall workshop on top of a table saw with cardboard connecting the neg to the pyramide frame and the positive to ether of the rods the voltage did fluctuate from 0.231V to 0.482V but only at DC setting nothing at AC setting. I also did see a increase of voltage by turning the frame out of the center north line to NNE about 5 degree. this actually confirme's that the magnetic northpool is about 5 degree West of the geographic northpool, maybe this is also the reason what TT talked a while back and in his video that there was a change by turning the pyramide a bit out of direct north but he did turn the whole pyramide. I try this too but it did not bring the same result.
this was a realy neat experiement
greetings
walt
Thats good news Walt and my question did you ground the frame to earth ground, this is very important. I will try the same test tonight as mine is covered and ready to go.
Wayne
Walt
You could just run a single wire from frame to your house plug ground, as all panels have earth ground, just a thought!
Walt
You could just run a single wire from frame to your house plug ground, as all panels have earth ground, just a thought!
Hi Walt
I remember,that Thomas said,that without Ground,it will not work.
About the Sand: Perhaps Sand for Aquarium is of use.
Good luck
helmut
If you have a PetCo in your area, they have a very fine quartz desert sand that they sell in 5 and 10 pound bags.
They use it in their reptile cages:
http://www.petco.com/product/4957/Zoo-Med-Repti-Sand.aspx
Best regards,
IndianaBoys
message to Walter Hoffman. There is no need to shorten graphite rods. Diagram shows that rods extend inside T pieces [T stuck] at top corners of frame. The whole of the top of the frame is full of sand. Hope this helps. Neptune
Hi neptun,
wher you got the info that the whole top of the frame is full of sand to? I could not find it anywhere and if you look closely there are the wire connector where the wire are connected to the rod below the top ( dots)
greetings
walt
Urgent message to Walter Hoffman. Can you please confirm that with the copper frame inside pyramid frame, you could measure a voltage between one graphite rod and the pyramid frame, with no other connection between the copper frame and the pyramid frame Except for you voltmeter.
If you can, then this can only mean one thing. The effect is genuine, and we can all work with grater enthusiasm. Pleas confirm[or not]
Magpower. The graphite rods should touch the sand, they should be totally covered in sand above their tops. The lower ends should be 2mm above the saltwater level. Can someone send him a link to the diagram? My computer skills are pathetic/ laughable.
Hi neptun,
wher you got the info that the whole top of the frame is full of sand to? I could not find it anywhere and if you look closely there are the wire connector where the wire are connected to the rod below the top ( dots)
greetings
walt
Look in the white paper for v6.
Here are TT words:
"The energy pick-up tubing must now completely (however loosely!) filled with quartz sand (.g. finest desert sand or filtersand for pools)."
George
hi george
yes the pickup tube he says but he also said further down that the top portion are just there for mechanical reason to fasten and so on.
greetigns
walt
Hi all,
here are a tip if you put the graphite rod in to fill it be very carefull and hold it in the right hight and location because after the fill the rod can not be corrected or it will break I had this two times and shake the pipe a bit because if the sand is not realy packed it will compact on the bottom by filling with the salt solution and there will be a gap to the vertical portion where the rods are. oh and close the holes or the sand will run out there had this too.
greetings
walt
Hi all,
here are a tip if you put the graphite rod in to fill it be very carefull and hold it in the right hight and location because after the fill the rod can not be corrected or it will break I had this two times and shake the pipe a bit because if the sand is not realy packed it will compact on the bottom by filling with the salt solution and there will be a gap to the vertical portion where the rods are. oh and close the holes or the sand will run out there had this too.
greetings
walt
Hi all,
here are a tip if you put the graphite rod in to fill it be very carefull and hold it in the right hight and location because after the fill the rod can not be corrected or it will break I had this two times and shake the pipe a bit because if the sand is not realy packed it will compact on the bottom by filling with the salt solution and there will be a gap to the vertical portion where the rods are. oh and close the holes or the sand will run out there had this too.
greetings
walt
Walt
Thanks for the tip as last night was wondering what to do, Just to confirm the total U shape is full of sand, then we inject the water/salt solution from top, until we see some sign of it coming out 2mm below the rods, Right?
I took some pics but forgot camera cable so will post soon.
Also I got .4v to .5v levels in D.C. Using A.C did not read nothing. Just rod in beaker with salt solution and meter to ground, the started tried a 9000mfd/ large cap and tried to charge it, could only get to .5volts. With a small 100mfd could not get this. It was very odd how the meter would jump up and down with readings. I did earth ground mine last night so more test tonight with U tube and 2 rods this time.
We now seem to have conflicting info as to just how much sand to put in . I guess it is a case of "try it and see". Walter, here is a small but significant experiment to try. I f your table saw is not fixed to the floor, put some cardboard under it, and put the copper fame inside the frame of the table saw, if it has a metal frame. so now you are using a square[cuboid?] frame instead of a pyramid . Is the voltage still there? Please let us know. Greetings from Neptune in Frosty England.
Hi neptun from frosty england we have 28 degree C here,Hi
my tablesaw has plastic caster is also insulated from the floor and between the cast isorn table and the pyramid frame is thick cardboard another insulation.
I had another expierience I did wana try to adjust one of the rods to fixate it and brook it but I did not realiese it right a way and then I took measurements and I can tell you the rod was broken about 40 mm from the top and had no connection to the other part of the rod and the DVM still showed the fluctuating Voltage of 0.23 to 0.45V. but the other side rod was perfeckt. I also used a analog Voltmeter to find out if the DVM shows the right value and it did show the same even if it is hard to read with this jumping of the needle
OK maybe somebody ca try something of this and confirme or not
greetings
walt
I have also build a pyramid and a V6 converter.
Unfortunately I can not yet observe a voltage rise when I place the converter in the pyramid.
I connected each graphite rod to the upper end of a coil and then I connected the lower end of each coil to opposite face-plates of the capacitor.
So my converter basically consists of three electrical units. These are:
- short graphite rod + coil A + capacitor plate A
- long graphite rod + coil B + capacitor plate B
- tubular U-frame
After adding the salt water I read the following values (regardless whether the converter is inside or outside the pyramid):
- capacitor plate A to capacitor plate B: 0.01 V
- capacitor plate (A or B) to tubular U-frame: 0.1 V
The U-frame is always negative. I find this remarkable. Does anyone have similar values?
- capacitor plate A to apacitor plate B: 70 kOhm
- short graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 10 kOhm
- long graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 2 kOhm
I don't know:
- which part of the converter should be grounded (i.e. be attached to the grounded pyramid frame) ?
- which part of the converter should be floating (i.e. be neither connected to ground nor to the load) ?
- which side of the pyramid can best be left open during testing (N, S, E, W) ?
- should the converter be mounted so that the plates of the capacitor face N and S or should they face E and W ?
Hi neptun from frosty england we have 28 degree C here,Hi
my tablesaw has plastic caster is also insulated from the floor and between the cast isorn table and the pyramid frame is thick cardboard another insulation.
I had another expierience I did wana try to adjust one of the rods to fixate it and brook it but I did not realiese it right a way and then I took measurements and I can tell you the rod was broken about 40 mm from the top and had no connection to the other part of the rod and the DVM still showed the fluctuating Voltage of 0.23 to 0.45V. but the other side rod was perfeckt. I also used a analog Voltmeter to find out if the DVM shows the right value and it did show the same even if it is hard to read with this jumping of the needle
OK maybe somebody ca try something of this and confirme or not
greetings
walt
very interesting what you see together with magpower. I'll certainly try it just dont have pyramide yet, still buidling it (doing base with screws need it flexible), problem is time I'm traveling this weekend and will all preparations I cant finished it now. I estimate to get back to building next tuesday :(
Anyway this could be proof of principle. So you get this fluctuating voltage and if you take that copper frame out of pyramide then voltage effect stops?
Having pyramide I would try to just cut short piece of copper tube close it on one side put sand + salt water and rod. then measure voltage from rod to pyramide frame and try different positions of it within and outside. I would also make photos or better video. But thats what I would do maybe you have better ideas.
If you can please dont go silent I dont know what to expect from internet anymore.
have a nice day,
MT
Hi MT
dont worry I dont go silence on this. But like TT says the graphite rods should not get wet I dont know why but this is what he said.
greetings
walt
I have also build a pyramid and a V6 converter.
Unfortunately I can not yet observe a voltage rise when I place the converter in the pyramid.
I connected each graphite rod to the upper end of a coil and then I connected the lower end of each coil to opposite face-plates of the capacitor.
So my converter basically consists of three electrical units. These are:
- short graphite rod + coil A + capacitor plate A
- long graphite rod + coil B + capacitor plate B
- tubular U-frame
After adding the salt water I read the following values (regardless whether the converter is inside or outside the pyramid):
- capacitor plate A to capacitor plate B: 0.01 V
- capacitor plate (A or B) to tubular U-frame: 0.1 V
The U-frame is always negative. I find this remarkable. Does anyone have similar values?
- capacitor plate A to apacitor plate B: 70 kOhm
- short graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 10 kOhm
- long graphite rod to tubular U-frame: 2 kOhm
I don't know:
- which part of the converter should be grounded (i.e. be attached to the grounded pyramid frame) ?
- which part of the converter should be floating (i.e. be neither connected to ground nor to the load) ?
- which side of the pyramid can best be left open during testing (N, S, E, W) ?
- should the converter be mounted so that the plates of the capacitor face N and S or should they face E and W ?
Hi all,
Thomas is back with great news!!!
http://trawoeger-pyramide.info/
there is also a new yahoo group for the TTP project.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pyramide-project
cheers
atlantex
Magpower, I notice there is a big difference between the resistance between short graphite rod to copper tube, and long rod to tube. This suggests to me a possible break in the short rod. Others have had this problem without realising it.
Magpower, I notice there is a big difference between the resistance between short graphite rod to copper tube, and long rod to tube. This suggests to me a possible break in the short rod. Others have had this problem without realising it.
I'll certainly try it just dont have pyramide yet, still buidling it (doing base with screws need it flexible)
If you have a PetCo in your area, they have a very fine quartz desert sand that they sell in 5 and 10 pound bags.
They use it in their reptile cages:
http://www.petco.com/product/4957/Zoo-Med-Repti-Sand.aspx
Best regards,
IndianaBoys
Look what I just bought! LOL...
5 lbs for $10... PURE quartz sand, no additives, and very fine...
Thanks for the heads up IndianaBoys.
Hi folks,
just to remember, here is the yahoo group for Thomas's and our project.
A lot of people are already registered and I think it's good to have an alternative, just in the case that overunity.com is unreachable, like the last days.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pyramide-project
@Thomas, you can have everytime the whole control over these group, no problem.
sky
Skywatcher
I'm also busy at the moment building the frame, also without welding, but with screws.
I have also developed a good method to mount the side tubes with screws, although there are some odd angles.
If someone is interested, i can post this in a separate thread (with photos). :)
Walter
In my brief tests on my first unit I also noticed what you are noting. I also saw a increase in E when i touch the frame of the pyramid even though it was earth grounded. I figured that it must have been static charge.
BTW what kind of lights do u have in your work area? This could be a contribution to the charge that U are noting.
Thanks for posting your data and observations
Regards
Bill
Hi Walter,@George
Excellent job. Have you covered the frame yet?
All,
I don't know if you remember my battery charging test. On December 9 I put AA NiMH battery I found in my garage. Initial test shows .045V then I used piece of duct tape and hang the battery inside the pyramid. Pyramid is covered but not grounded and I kept 4th wall closed as well. I am about to quit the test as I need to put collector inside.
here are the results:
9-Dec 8:00am 0.45
9-Dec 2:00pm 0.505
10-Dec 6:00pm 0.538
10-Dec 12:00am 0.543
11-Dec 6:00am 0.546
11-Dec 6:00pm 0.55
12-Dec 6:00am 0.556
12-Dec 6:00pm 0.559
13-Dec 6:00am 0.563
14-Dec 6:00am 0.567
There are no significant changes but it clearly proves that something is going on inside.
So please, keep building/testing and post some results!
George
Skywatcher
I'm also busy at the moment building the frame, also without welding, but with screws.
I have also developed a good method to mount the side tubes with screws, although there are some odd angles.
If someone is interested, i can post this in a separate thread (with photos). :)
I am also starting on my frame this weekend and the welding (if necessary) is going to be my biggest headache, so please post your pictures!
@George
When you take the battery out of the pyramid, please hang it somewhere else with the same duct tape and measure it for another week. (a kind of control measurement) Would be interesting to see what happens to it.
Hello people...
Anyone here has tryed to put the wet sandquartz into the center of the pyramid?.I have repeated the experiment...and it works again.
I'm trying to get a digital multimeter to get precise measurements,because my analog one dont show the detailed numbers.Actually with wet sand and graphite electrodes, not exposed to the pyramid,dont show voltage reading on the instrument.If I do the same measurements with the wet sand exposed with the center of the pyramid,I got voltage reading.The voltage augments if I remove the graphite electrodes,and immerse the probes directly in the wet sand!.I want to get some pics of this stuff to show here.I used a little old pyramid made of aluminium pipes.The sand was wetted with tapwater (it is conductive...) Time exposition 24 hours.
The "battery" gets very fast polarization but seems to recharge leaving it alone for some minutes.What happening?.I dont expected tys type of result with aluminium;it was just for a simple experiment......
Coming soon....
Regards,
Cyrano.
Muss "das Ding" so unpraktisch gebaut sein ?
@Thomas
In the description that you are rewriting would you please tell us the following:
Are the dimensions of the energy pickup unit critical?
How much tolerance is allowed on the dimensions?
-Duff
.The very first thing I want to try is the Pegasus "cup of sand" experiment because I feel this is the most significant thing so far. Also some of us are too old to want to wait forever.
Hi,
It would be nice if people showed a picture of their experiments or maybe even a video?
http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d81/emibre/?action=view¤t=Earthpower.flv
Best wishes
2toxic4u
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@Walter,
I made my experiment simply putting some quartz sand in a glass cup,and exposing it to the "energy"of.the center of the pyramid.The pyramid used is made by aluminium pipes,it is in scale with the great pyramid of Giza,and has no walls,just the skeleton of the shape.Also it is little;its heigth is less 20 centimeters.
After 24 hours I take the vessel out of the pyramid,and I add some tapwater to just wet the sand.I add the two electrodes of graphite(with different length) and I measure voltage.I take the measurements outside the pyramid,not inside.There is no copper in the vessel,only two graphite rods,quartzsand,and some tapwater;its clear?.If I remove the electrodes and I insert the probes of the voltmeter,DIRECTLY in the wet sand exposed to the pyramid,I got voltage.This phenomenon resemble piezoelectricty,but I'm not sure,because I havent take measurements with the same sand -not- wetted.In these experiments .If I use sand not exposed to the energy of the pyramid,I get pratically NOTHING,no voltage, in every mentioned cases.
I have to add that the "battery" created, get fast polarization,but if I leave it undisturbed for some minutes,the voltage returns to its original level.I noticed that after the exposition,I can take positive measurements from the wet quartz,for about two days,and then the phenomenon stops.The voltage I got is less 2 Volts.I will send some pics of my experiments,and if I have time I will send also the wav of the possible vibration coming from the quartz exposed to the pyramid energy.I will get it conecting the voltage of the quartz to some amplifier.
Now I ask to people that have the possibility to repeat the experiment into their pyramids,made of aluminium or not,to see if they get some results.It is higly appreciated that some people with academic knowledge will give me an explanation of the phenomenon.If it is piezoelectricity,were is the source of the mechanical excitation of the quartz?My voice,the noise around me?NO, because I tried the same experiments with the sand NOT exposed to the energy of the pyramid,and it -doesnt- work.
I HOPE IT IS CLEAR NOW.
Regards,
Cyrano
Excuse me, I was waiting a replay from Pegasus, not from you.
The problem is this:
I understood your errors from a physical point of view. The others our friends, most of them, don't understand this!!!
That's correct now! Maybe it was only my misunderstanding asI'm not an English speaker!
Apologizes,
Tigrotto
If I remove the electrodes and I insert the probes of the voltmeter,DIRECTLY in the wet sand exposed to the pyramid,I got voltage.This phenomenon resemble piezoelectricty,but I'm not sure,because I havent take measurements with the same sand -not- wetted.In these experiments .If I use sand not exposed to the energy of the pyramid,I get pratically NOTHING,no voltage, in every mentioned cases.
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Now I ask to people that have the possibility to repeat the experiment
Regards,
Cyrano
I think this is basically a sail, Wouldnt the coil part need to be underneath the pyramid to properly work? where is the center of gravity would be?
@Jeanna.
Its not clear to me if you have exposed the sand to the center of the pyramid.
.
If you have the possibility,try to put into the wetted sand a sheet of aluminium and one of copper,and measure the output,and compare with a test control outside the pyramid.There was rumors in the past about the strange effects of these two metals subjected to the energy of the pyramid..Maybe is true.
Regards,
Cyrano.
Hi all.
I had a big surprise yesterday I had to take the converter apart and start over because I brook one of the graphite rods. now I empty the sand totally dry out the pipe and started over filling with sand then putting the two new rods in fill up the pipe and closed off, fill saltwater. then I put it back in to the pyramide frame insulated at the same spot like before and to my surprise the voltage reading rods to pyramide frame showed only 0.004V. I added a bit more of the saltwater nothing changed. the first setup what had exactly the same material for everythings and even the same amount of saltwater showed right a way 0.231V fluctuating to 0.482V.
this is very strange.
did somebody expirience similar things?
please post it or send me PM
thanks and greetings
walt
Hi all.
I had a big surprise yesterday I had to take the converter apart and start over because I brook one of the graphite rods. now I empty the sand totally dry out the pipe and started over filling with sand then putting the two new rods in fill up the pipe and closed off, fill saltwater. then I put it back in to the pyramide frame insulated at the same spot like before and to my surprise the voltage reading rods to pyramide frame showed only 0.004V. I added a bit more of the saltwater nothing changed. the first setup what had exactly the same material for everythings and even the same amount of saltwater showed right a way 0.231V fluctuating to 0.482V.
this is very strange.
did somebody expirience similar things?
please post it or send me PM
thanks and greetings
walt
I don't get it. Is there something we are doing wrong? Even you, Walt with a converter set up. Didn't Thomas get more voltage? (My eyes couldn't take anymore reading at this point but) I think I remember that Thomas was getting 9 volts with the converter. That is a whole order of magnitude greater than anything here. I think he even warned us to be very careful because of the power involved. ???
Is there anybody getting over 1,5volts?
jeanna
Hi allThe 9 volts will start after 2-3 minutes later (after the aprox 0,6 volts are there.
I just wana clear up I dont have the capacitor or the coils hooked up this comes next. I still oucld not find the real reason why this converter failed. but I did find out that the sand if just loosly fill without carefull compact them ( a tapping on the vertical pipes will do it) will shrink at the horizontal portion ( between the two hols) after filling with saltwater and the sand from the vertical portion will not slide down what means there is no connection with the sand anymore thats maybe one reason why it failed the second time.
I also believe that on the description from TT is something major missing how he did get the higher voltage but I will see after connecting all the parts what's happen then, maybe I got a christmas surprise. 8)
greetings
waltHi all.
I had a big surprise yesterday I had to take the converter apart and start over because I brook one of the graphite rods. now I empty the sand totally dry out the pipe and started over filling with sand then putting the two new rods in fill up the pipe and closed off, fill saltwater. then I put it back in to the pyramide frame insulated at the same spot like before and to my surprise the voltage reading rods to pyramide frame showed only 0.004V. I added a bit more of the saltwater nothing changed. the first setup what had exactly the same material for everythings and even the same amount of saltwater showed right a way 0.231V fluctuating to 0.482V.
this is very strange.
did somebody expirience similar things?
please post it or send me PM
thanks and greetings
walt
I don't get it. Is there something we are doing wrong? Even you, Walt with a converter set up. Didn't Thomas get more voltage? (My eyes couldn't take anymore reading at this point but) I think I remember that Thomas was getting 9 volts with the converter. That is a whole order of magnitude greater than anything here. I think he even warned us to be very careful because of the power involved. ???
Is there anybody getting over 1,5volts?
jeanna
@Pese. From Thomas first post on this forum, he says that he is the pyramid inventor, and says yhe "Mr pese" can verify[confirm] this fact.Pese, are you a friend of Thomas, have you met him, do you know more about him than the rest of us? I am still working on this, and buying the gypsum board today. Does anyone know if the chosen Few have received V12 information yet? My worst fear is that without further input from Thomas, people will start to run out of enthousiasm. There is no choice but to contiue groping in the dark...Hello,
@Pese. From Thomas first post on this forum, he says that he is the pyramid inventor, and says yhe "Mr pese" can verify[confirm] this fact.Pese, are you a friend of Thomas, have you met him, do you know more about him than the rest of us? I am still working on this, and buying the gypsum board today. Does anyone know if the chosen Few have received V12 information yet? My worst fear is that without further input from Thomas, people will start to run out of enthousiasm. There is no choice but to contiue groping in the dark...
It would be interesting to know how many non-working replica we have. If you have one, PLEASE tell us.
I found out, that there are some guys posting to my descriptions absolutely false details. This is not because they are stupid, this is because they want to prevent success.
1. The difference between some of us and edison is at least this : Edison was a very rich man! Many of us invested hunderth of Wuro and...nothing!
2. I'm an inventor too in my field of activity! do you know that I can disclose to you 99% of one of my inventions and you'll NEVER be able to replicate it ? Many of us are inventors here and my "colleagues in inventics" understand what I mean!
He'll never return HERE!!!!
5. How it is possible today in Europe one can not find a PC and an internet connection to spread V12 to whom he wants?
@Walter Hoffmann,
Mein Herr,
I've never BLAMED TT! For me he's an inventor having his reasons to do what currently does!!!
I've never blamed he! Please controll your saying! Your English speaking could be a good excuse!
Tigrotto
Hi,
This is my first post on the overunity forum. Have been reading this topic from the start. This pyramid thing caught my attention because of certain unusual electrical faults occurring in my house which are probably related to the pyramid shape of the roof in three of the rooms. (I will post the details if anyone is interested).
So I am sure there is something connecting the pyramid shape and electricity that we do not yet understand. I have been trying to find an explanation but without much success. This thread is the closest that I have come till now.
I also found that the following webpage has some useful info related to the Joe Parr research on properties of the pyramid:(see item 9.8)
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/torscons.htm
which seems to be some suggest that there is some connection with negetive ion generators, magnetic fields, rotation of the pyramid and specific sound frequencies strengthening the power of the pyramid.
Hope this helps you all in unraveling some of the mysteries.
Zapper
One problem I have had is finding a suitable nut and bolt to hold the capacitor together. The only thing I could find was car number plate bolts, and they are not long enough. I bought a pair of 6mm plastic knitting needles, cut one to length, tapered the end with a craft knife, and used a steel nut to cut its own thread. Job done.
Hi guys,
thanks a lot for your contributions. Sorry to see Tigorotto discouraged and TT not keeping his word for the second time. Maybe they "convince" him somehow its better to not to keep his word :(
Anyway since yesterday I'm back in business. 2 hours ago just finished my frame (using screws). It is labor intensive I better weld it but then it would not fit into car. Tomorrow plan to place in pyramid frame small galvanic cell made from piece of copper tube with quartz sand, graphite and salt water similar to setup with U-shape tubing to see whats happen.
@Walter: strange you could not reuse old copper frame to get voltage fluctuations. Salt eated copper at the surface? Hm. Curious whether new fresh piping help and you can replicate the effect.
all the best,
MT
The reason is this : Many of us ( including me tried unsuccessfully V6) .None obtained more than 0.5V!
We replicated successfully what TT said it is V6, but not the whole V6.
I'm one of you followed step by step V6 description. Nothing to do!
Moreover, for some other hidden reasons he leave the board!!!
I'm really not sure V6 ever worked too!!!! That videio means NOTHING more than NOTHING!!!
13.12.2007 - Thomas Traw?ger (www.trawoeger-pyramide.info)
@ all :
I?m working on a 100% Fool-Proof description, and i will give this to all the Members of the "inner circle" if it?s ready. They will swap the File immediately!
Pleas give me these days to do that.
ng, Tom
For me, it?s very important in this moment, to know ANY Constructor
of V6 or V12. In future time, i will give support only to prooved
Constructors.
To fix this Problem, send me a picture of your Construction with your
Nickname and your Living-Country to XXXXX@trawoeger-pyramide.info
(and some secure Mailadress of course)
If the prooved constructors are collected, i will give support to all
these guys.
Well, this sounds a litle complicated, but it will be the best
possibility to find the right guys.
That could also mean, that only real constructors will get support, all other will get nothing.
quite clearly what's the reason why he's not posting here anymore, read it or not but please stop blaming him.
Quote
I'm really not sure V6 ever worked too!!!! That videio means NOTHING more than NOTHING!!!
so, seems you have now an other opinion, when you were moderator at the TTP board.
atlantex
Hi pese,
simply look at the last post from Tigrotto.
It's not ok to say such words, even if Thomas decide to stop this project.
atlantex
Have you any interests to find members (from OU) in this "yahoo.groupe" ?
Is this yours ?
QuoteHave you any interests to find members (from OU) in this "yahoo.groupe" ?
Is this yours ?
not mine
But Thomas seems to write there, did a statement that he will help other pyramid builders, think that should know everybody
who is really interested to build such a device.
The rest of your post is a little bit over my mind.
atlantex
@pese, who is Dr Pajak, and where can we see what he said. did I misunderstand you?
lets move on and report your results bad or good,
The same things happened with mine pyramid! Mine collector had 0.52VDC in the beginning, and after two days the output was fluctuating between 0.001VDC and 0.002VDC and now it is zero!
me too. I have not got past the sand in the jar pre-experiment. I got some hopefull voltage for a control but now after 3 days inside the pyramid the voltage is down to 0.013v.
lets move on and report your results bad or good,
I got today PM from a fellow builder who's pyramid is acting exactly like mine:QuoteThe same things happened with mine pyramid! Mine collector had 0.52VDC in the beginning, and after two days the output was fluctuating between 0.001VDC and 0.002VDC and now it is zero!
George
Hi zapper welcome here,
could you describe a bit more the electrical faults what you have. also how the house is build where geographical, hight, size when it was build etc. a couple picture would help too.
greetigns
waltHi,
This is my first post on the overunity forum. Have been reading this topic from the start. This pyramid thing caught my attention because of certain unusual electrical faults occurring in my house which are probably related to the pyramid shape of the roof in three of the rooms. (I will post the details if anyone is interested).
So I am sure there is something connecting the pyramid shape and electricity that we do not yet understand. I have been trying to find an explanation but without much success. This thread is the closest that I have come till now.
I also found that the following webpage has some useful info related to the Joe Parr research on properties of the pyramid:(see item 9.8)
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/torscons.htm
which seems to be some suggest that there is some connection with negetive ion generators, magnetic fields, rotation of the pyramid and specific sound frequencies strengthening the power of the pyramid.
Hope this helps you all in unraveling some of the mysteries.
Zapper
<...snip...>
But they do not work with the fans in just these three rooms. I have also tried changing all three fans with new ones, it is not the fault with the fans. I have exchanged the fans and regulators with those in other rooms, where they work without any problem. This has led me to believe that it is the position of the fans being suspended at the mid point of the pyramidal roof that is the key to the problem.
<...snip...>
And I forgot to mention, the house and the pyramidal roof faces are approximately north -south direction. Sorry for my long and boring post. I hope it helps everyone here to better understand the strange Pyramids.
Regards,
Zapper.
@walter
congratulations, great that you succeeded in replicating it. I'll concentrate now to build converter frame to get this effect also. I assume you followed skizze dimensions. A pic of your version would be of help here.
In the meantime I assembled simple galvanic cell in shape of one vertical tube of the converter see picture. Cell itself gives around 0.31V. As rod is used pencil rod HB type. Salt water injected 2mm below bottom of the rod as in converter. Putting it in the center of pyramid and measuring potential to the pyramide frame gives me 0 volts. Tried various positions to no avail. Only if I moved myself or something then I had some milivolts but they dropped to zero as I went still.
This shows me that effect is probably somehow related to the shape of converter. Vertical rods in the converter are not in center anyway only horizontal tubes intersect pyramid pyr. center line.
My frame looks like it has its own magnetic properties and compass forgets where north is. I moved compass only in base diagonals. In one diagonal it points toward closer corner so if I moved it from one corner to opposite it rotated 180degrees. In another diagonal it start pointing to closer corner and if you move it towards center it turns like 40degress and moving past center to the opposite corner pointer returns back to starting position. If pyramid is aligned with north and compass lying on the base in center it points somewhere to east. Explanation could be that while drilling I could magnetize tube locally. I noticed small pieces of iron sticked to the tube while drilling. Also cutting may added to it.
best regards,
MT
what wetter do you have in regards to clouds , rain etc.?
what wetter do you have in regards to clouds , rain etc.?
... last days completely cloudy, around 0, dry no rain from beginning of the week. Experiments done in basement 1.5m under terrain. Beton floor. And your weather? Maybe is somehow related...
Yesterday evening finished the converter frame 12cmx10cm. Need to just bore 2mm holes and place pencils (this time 6B type) + sand. How did you actually connected wire to those graphite rods? how long are your rods, pencils used or graphite electrodes? Maybe you said it already I do not remember. I plan to just use clips(see in pictures from prev experiment) to connect to pencils through T-tube side openings.
Last question is about soldering frame it is almost stable even without it. Have you solder it? I tried using candle fat and it closes eventual connection gaps pretty nice I plan to use it.
@georgemay
how is your convertor doing? Something unusual?
greetings,
Marcel
make the top that both T are 45 degree turned what means the middle opening connected with short piece of pipe and one opening straigt up this makes it easier for the rods to be hold in place
I think that the battery charging experiment by Georgemay could be very significant. More work is needed here to duplicate this, and try to improve it.
Can someone help me here. If you look at the picture of a converter on page 1 of this subject, It appears to me that t the 2 graphite rods are connected together by the wire running across the top of the copper frame. Anyone agree/disagree?
make the top that both T are 45 degree turned what means the middle opening connected with short piece of pipe and one opening straigt up this makes it easier for the rods to be hold in place
???
make the top that both T are 45 degree turned what means the middle opening connected with short piece of pipe and one opening straigt up this makes it easier for the rods to be hold in place
???
So this way.
you can change electrode and sand easy
Also, what was the cell voltage at the start of the test. Perhaps this is effect only works up to a given voltage?
make the top that both T are 45 degree turned what means the middle opening connected with short piece of pipe and one opening straigt up this makes it easier for the rods to be hold in place
???
So this way.
you can change electrode and sand easy
Ok... this is the configuration which came also into my mind, but the '45 degree' confused me... it should read '90 degree'. ;)
With this configuration it's easy to change sand and electrodes, but in the original plan the wires for the coils are coming out on the side of the converter, not on top. We don't know if this will affect the functionality of the converter. I will think about it tomorrow... maybe there is a more elegant way to solve all problems but being more close to the original plans... 8)
@Walter Hoffman,
And will not work, nevertheless you good job!
Tigrotto
Hi guys thanks for clarifications. Walter thanks a lot for pictures it surely helps. Your converter looks somewhat thick 12mm tubes used? On picture looks like at least 15mm diameter.
greetings to all builders,
MT
the pipes for the converter are regular 1/2 inch copper pipes what has a inside diameter of 12.25mm, thats what TT has described.
So this way.
...Mittels Kupferrohr ca. 12mm wird ein U-F?rmiger Korpus hartgel?tet.
2 T-St?cke verbinden diesen Korpus an der Oberseite....
the pipes for the converter are regular 1/2 inch copper pipes what has a inside diameter of 12.25mm, thats what TT has described.
I think he meant pipes which have an outside diameter of 12 mm (inside: 10 mm). If you build the converter using these pipes, and using the measurements of 100 mm (width) and 120 mm (height) then the proportions look slightly different. But maybe this is not important for the functionality. Also, in the original plan, the coils should have an inside diameter of 25 mm, so they are NOT wound closely around the pipes, but have about 6 mm space to the surface of the pipe.
This is my converter ('classic' construction with wire outlet on the sides ;) ):
the pipes for the converter are regular 1/2 inch copper pipes what has a inside diameter of 12.25mm, thats what TT has described.
I think he meant pipes which have an outside diameter of 12 mm (inside: 10 mm). If you build the converter using these pipes, and using the measurements of 100 mm (width) and 120 mm (height) then the proportions look slightly different. But maybe this is not important for the functionality. Also, in the original plan, the coils should have an inside diameter of 25 mm, so they are NOT wound closely around the pipes, but have about 6 mm space to the surface of the pipe.
This is my converter ('classic' construction with wire outlet on the sides ;) ):
Thanks @sky thats what I meant (tube has 12mm outside diam), my converter dimensions looks exactly like yours only I'm not soldering (just candle wax-ing) and T parts are oriented upwards. At the moment it is not important for me to get V6 or similar I just want to replicate the effect @walter sees. Maybe that was TTs V1.
@Gustav22
Thanks for info about hard soldering.
have nice evening everybody,
MT
But anyhow put the water/salt solution in and got 30mv AC reading as shown in pictures. When I did slowly rotate sometimes it would go to 40mv. I give it a good shot and not really happy with such a low output.
Duff
Thats something we don't really know for sure air or solid dielectric for the caps. I did back off on the screw and have set to 940pf right now. I used paper to keep plates flat. I will adjust it slowly each day and watch for changes. The only thing that I haven't used is 2mm graphic rods, but using pencil, I thought I would see a volt or so. I think if everyone trys something a little different we might get it. As for ground using my house ground. One thing I did notice if I bring my hand close to center cap the meter jumps up to 150mv or more, but did not touch it, so seems its picking up something. On DC I get nothing?
In the Video TT posted two years ago, the fan he was using as load was running with one side of the pyramid being uncovered.
Duff
Thats something we don't really know for sure air or solid dielectric for the caps. I did back off on the screw and have set to 940pf right now. I used paper to keep plates flat. I will adjust it slowly each day and watch for changes. The only thing that I haven't used is 2mm graphic rods, but using pencil, I thought I would see a volt or so. I think if everyone trys something a little different we might get it. As for ground using my house ground. One thing I did notice if I bring my hand close to center cap the meter jumps up to 150mv or more, but did not touch it, so seems its picking up something. On DC I get nothing?
Sorry but I believe TT specifies an air dielectric.
Perhaps our German friends confirm this from sketch 3:
jeweil 1mm Plotten LUFT
Google translates as: Jeweil 1mm plotting - distance air
Hi guys,
Sharing my results. Last night finished converter see pic. After injecting saltwater, rods against copper frame gives each about 0.3V (this morning left 0.31 right 0.34). Placing it inside and measuring rods against pyr frame gives less than 1mV DC. Tried various heights and positions. Waited 1 hour until battery in DVM died. This morning measured AC this gives about 0.1V TrueRMS 50Hz. I could not find relation to the pyramide frame. Placing converter outside gives actually more ~0.14V TrueRMS also 50Hz. Connecting pyr frame to the socket ground gives more voltage ~0.14AC TrueRMS (with converter inside) but voltage is much less stable with frequncies 350-400Hz.
@walter
Also in my case no drop of water came of the second hole. Seems all goes up vertical tubing. Probably surface bonding of water molecules prevents it to leak from small 2mm hole. Maybe his had bigger diameter.
I would not call it success less than 1mV basically nothing and measuring AC gives me clearly induced 50Hz socket frequency. I'll play with it further hope to find time to place gypsum boards if family allows on this special day.
greets,
MT
I only measure DC and just for control I switch short to AC but nothing on AC just DC. I did not connect the pyramide frame to the ground jet. I will use a seperate ground rod outside any building to avoid influence.Thats clear, effect should be on DC I was just curious what is to see on AC scale. When the effect actually disappears in your case? Moving it 1 mm off center or 1cm? or you see it always and in center is much more. When you move converter a bit can you see changes immediately on DVm or it take time to build up? Hope I dont ask too much.
after TT's explanation the voltage should start rising within a feww minutes you dont have to wait hours if nothing happen in the first 10 minutes.
Duff
Thats something we don't really know for sure air or solid dielectric for the caps. I did back off on the screw and have set to 940pf right now. I used paper to keep plates flat. I will adjust it slowly each day and watch for changes. The only thing that I haven't used is 2mm graphic rods, but using pencil, I thought I would see a volt or so. I think if everyone trys something a little different we might get it. As for ground using my house ground. One thing I did notice if I bring my hand close to center cap the meter jumps up to 150mv or more, but did not touch it, so seems its picking up something. On DC I get nothing?
Sorry but I believe TT specifies an air dielectric.
Perhaps our German friends confirm this from sketch 3:
jeweil 1mm Plotten LUFT
Google translates as: Jeweil 1mm plotting - distance air
jeweils 1mm Plattenabstand
in each case 1 mm of record distance (plate to plate)
LUFT = Air between the plates.
not use dielectricums !
Pese
Duff
Thats something we don't really know for sure air or solid dielectric for the caps. I did back off on the screw and have set to 940pf right now. I used paper to keep plates flat. I will adjust it slowly each day and watch for changes. The only thing that I haven't used is 2mm graphic rods, but using pencil, I thought I would see a volt or so. I think if everyone trys something a little different we might get it. As for ground using my house ground. One thing I did notice if I bring my hand close to center cap the meter jumps up to 150mv or more, but did not touch it, so seems its picking up something. On DC I get nothing?
Sorry but I believe TT specifies an air dielectric.
Perhaps our German friends confirm this from sketch 3:
jeweil 1mm Plotten LUFT
Google translates as: Jeweil 1mm plotting - distance air
jeweils 1mm Plattenabstand
in each case 1 mm of record distance (plate to plate)
LUFT = Air between the plates.
not use dielectricums !
Pese
Thanks Pese
I will change this over in the next few days, any idea of what the value might be close to. And should the output be AC or DC ?
Magpow
I?ll post several thoughts during the next days but for now, I?d like to hear opinions on the following quote: 'My "friends" at overunity.com kicked me out, and very strange things happened there too...?'- http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/pyramide-project/message/7 Tom, pyratom99.
What is he talking about?! What kind of strange things?! And, more importantly, who kicked him out?! I doubt this was the case?
Many thanks,
Tinu
I have been following this topic for a long time now and I just had a thought. I am working over at the earth batteries topic and have achieved 1.8 vdc from just two electrodes placed in the earth. Seems to be more than this device thus far. But, what if I were to place a pyramid shape over my electrodes? Would my volts go up? I have a 5 foot spacing between electrodes at this point so the pyramid would be fairly large. What do you guys think? Worth trying? There IS something to the pyramid shape with out any doubt. Why or what is anyone's guess. I have read a lot about this phenomenon and all says basically the same. What this device is calling for speaks of galvanic action and so does the earth batteries but, as in this case as well, there is much more than just that going on. Keep up all of your great efforts here. If there is anything to this I know you guys will figure it out. Merry Christmas to all.
Bill
compared.jpg I know this is a older version but looks like the 2 inside rods are connected together. And on real picture you can see the copper tube, just maybe connecting to frame, which would make more sense. First will change my center cap to air dielectric and go from there. I hope Thomas comes back !!
Happy Holidays
Magpow
@Tinu. sorry you feel that all your work has been in vain. Before you give up totally, Why nottry a couple of things. Have you done any tests outside? [not easy at this time of year. ] An idea that keeps coming to me, is to replace the graphite and sand with 2 small zinc carbon cells inside the copper to replace the galvanic cell My hope is to get more power out than in. The best set up would be one new cell and one partially discharged. the negative of each cell is connected to the copper and the positives to the coils. I cant try it myself until after Xmass.
If we can confirm ANY strange effect happening inside the pyramid but not outside, then we may be onto something. All I will say about the subject you ask for comments on is this.
You will not necessarily learn much about free energy from this, but believe me, you will learn a lot about human nature.
@georgemay.Regarding the open tube on the photo. I think this is a short separate piece of tubing attached to the front of the standard copper tube frame. Its lower end would be just above or perhaps behind the blue object.
Perhaps everyone missed some clues from TT himself. Reread please his post #76 ( http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg59766.html#msg59766 ) specially part about Wasseradern. Those are also mentioned in Morray experiments as well as with Stublefield's and also mentioned in several writings about installers of telegraph lines.
George
underbround rivers (also smal or little rivers- more like "bach") Water-"vein " is word by word translation..
Perhaps everyone missed some clues from TT himself. Reread please his post #76 ( http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg59766.html#msg59766 ) specially part about Wasseradern. Those are also mentioned in Morray experiments as well as with Stublefield's and also mentioned in several writings about installers of telegraph lines.
George
@Pese
Wasseradern - Water Veins or underground rivers.
Is this the correct translation?
Does it have anything to do with an areas water table or is it only related to rivers?
-Duff
Can anyone conntact TT?
In 1986, two French architects used electronic detectors inside the
Great Pyramid to try to locate hollow areas. They found that below
the passageway leading to the Queen?s Chamber was another chamber
3 meters wide by 5 meters. They bore a 1? hole and found a cavity
filled with crystalline silica (sand). They were not allowed to do any
further digging. No entrances to these areas have yet been found.
This sand was analyzed and found to contain more than 99% quartz
that varied in size between 100-400 microns. This kind of sand is
known as musical sand since it makes a sound like a whispering noise
when it is blown or walked on. It appears that this sand may come
from El Tur in southern Sinai, which is several hundred miles from
the Great Pyramid. Why would this type of sand be brought in from
such a large distance and placed in a sealed off chamber in the Great
Pyramid?
@pg46 - Thanks
@all
Has anyone tried silver brazing yet?
I know Walt said he was going to try and see if he noted any difference.
Here' s a chart of cadmium free silver brazing alloys:
http://www.sarusilver.com/agcadfree.html#agcadfree
There are many different compositions of silver, copper & zinc. There is no way of knowing which TT used...
However this particular chart show Silver 55 is for use on any steels, copper and copper alloys, nickle and nickle alloys.
-Duff
@Walter
Very nice setup. Congratulations!
(I might have one question about the right coil ? but that?s for another time)
Regarding the movie:
It seems like you?re having an electrical contact between the tubing (the core) and the central pipe and further to the pyramid frame. If this is the case, you basically measure the electro-chemical potential of the left graphite rod in respect to cupper in salt water, which is around 0.5V (it can go to 0.7-0.9V in certain circumstances). Please check it.
Many thanks,
Tinu
what is strange on the video is the noise there was nothing running you can hear my odem and there is this strange tak, tak tak, what I did not hear as I took the clip.
Hi all,Thanks for the video, Walter.
maybe I should explaine the video, about in the middle I switch from DC to AC to see if there is anythings on AC but like you see it is only 0.004V. what is also strange that no matter which side I have thew output connected to positive or negative meter clamp it allways showes negative voltage .
greetings
walt
For those not finding power in their pyramid, here's a guy who says he did, but then got scared of it. ???
tak
Hi all,Thanks for the video, Walter.
maybe I should explaine the video, about in the middle I switch from DC to AC to see if there is anythings on AC but like you see it is only 0.004V. what is also strange that no matter which side I have thew output connected to positive or negative meter clamp it allways showes negative voltage .
greetings
walt
I don't have time to look for it now, but I think TT said to HANG the converter from the apex of the frame. This means to me that the converter does not touch the ground below the center point. Perhaps I am wrong. It looks to me as though your converter is being supported from below by the pipe. It is hard to tell;
Of all the things that might be changed about the design, this non connection to the ground in line with the apex seems important. If the charge needs to come inside the shape of the pyramid I would think it needs to bang around inside a bit and not go straight down into the earth/ I think the pyramid as a shape is more than a simple antenna
good work,
jeanna
Hi all,Thanks for the video, Walter.
maybe I should explaine the video, about in the middle I switch from DC to AC to see if there is anythings on AC but like you see it is only 0.004V. what is also strange that no matter which side I have thew output connected to positive or negative meter clamp it allways showes negative voltage .
greetings
walt
I don't have time to look for it now, but I think TT said to HANG the converter from the apex of the frame. This means to me that the converter does not touch the ground below the center point. Perhaps I am wrong. It looks to me as though your converter is being supported from below by the pipe. It is hard to tell;
Of all the things that might be changed about the design, this non connection to the ground in line with the apex seems important. If the charge needs to come inside the shape of the pyramid I would think it needs to bang around inside a bit and not go straight down into the earth/ I think the pyramid as a shape is more than a simple antenna
good work,
jeanna
Hi all,
her are a few picture of the now finished setup. I also include a video clip how the voltage rises. it starts with 0.03 and did go up above 0.5V but my camera memory stick was full thats why I could not take the full lenght.
what is strange on the video is the noise there was nothing running you can hear my odem and there is this strange tak, tak tak, what I did not hear as I took the clip.
greetings
walt
Walter
Do you have a magnet?
I wonder what would happen if you were to put a magnet right where Thomas lately said was a trick. Just in case SAYING THAT was a trick.
and thank you for clearing this picture up. I think you have made a true and beautiful replica. I think it should work.
jeanna
Hi all,
her are a few picture of the now finished setup. I also include a video clip how the voltage rises. it starts with 0.03 and did go up above 0.5V but my camera memory stick was full thats why I could not take the full lenght.
what is strange on the video is the noise there was nothing running you can hear my odem and there is this strange tak, tak tak, what I did not hear as I took the clip.
greetings
walt
Very nice, congratulations!
Maybe you should connect a load to increase the output, a small fan or something, like TT did.
Keep up the good work!
Spacetrax
Hi Walter,
thank you very much for the efforts you make and for reporting your results.
Did I understand your setup correctly:
1.) As I understand you have connected each carbon/graphite rod to its coil. Then you have connected the ends of both coils to the SAME plate of the central cap. This goes to the plus of your DMM (digital multi meter).
Please confirm.
2.) The other plate of the central cap is connected to the pyramid steel frame. This goes to the neg. of your DMM.
Please confirm.
3.) The copper tubing of the pickup.
Is it completely isolated from all other components or is it connected to one side of the central cap?
Please confirm.
4.) Your converter is located at a height of 225 mm between your cardboard base plate and the center point of the cap.
Please confirm.
Sorry.
I am aware that all of this has been asked before, but I find no concise description of your current setup, which seems the best setup anyone has come up with so far.
Thanks again.
@ Walter:
Was your meter set to read in volts? 254 vdc????? Incredible.!!
@ Jeanna:
Baby, you are a genius!!!! The trick was in SAYING it was a trick. You would make a good private investigator.
Bill
Hi all,
here is a short video for all the courious guys in regards to what happens if a magnet is put close to the converter.
because the converter with the two coils on the vertical pipes gave no room to put the magnet right on this part I thoughd just put it on the vertical pipe because a magnet would stick to it and look the results
just amazing.
greetings
walt
Hi Walter,
thank you very much for the efforts you make and for reporting your results.
Did I understand your setup correctly:
1.) As I understand you have connected each carbon/graphite rod to its coil. Then you have connected the ends of both coils to the SAME plate of the central cap. This goes to the plus of your DMM (digital multi meter).
Please confirm.
2.) The other plate of the central cap is connected to the pyramid steel frame. This goes to the neg. of your DMM.
Please confirm.
3.) The copper tubing of the pickup.
Is it completely isolated from all other components or is it connected to one side of the central cap?
Please confirm.
4.) Your converter is located at a height of 225 mm between your cardboard base plate and the center point of the cap.
Please confirm.
Sorry.
I am aware that all of this has been asked before, but I find no concise description of your current setup, which seems the best setup anyone has come up with so far.
Thanks again.
edit: the above description was wrong. Walter has confirmed the following setup:
1.) Each carbon/graphite rod is connected to its coil. Then the lower end of the left coil is connected to front plate of the central cap. The lower end of the right coil is connected to the other face plate of the central cap. The left coil goes to the plus of the DVM (digital volt meter).
2.) The copper tubing of the pickup is floating (i.e. it has no electrical connection to anything).
3.) The neg. of the DVM is connected to the steel frame of the pyramid.
4.) The converter is located at a height of 200 mm between cardboard base plate and the center point of the central cap.
it has occurred to me that although walt`s results are impressive, the odds against him having achieved the optimum magnetic field in the right place are very small. therefore more experiments are needed here. One possibility is to use the magnets from the magnetron of a microwave oven. These are toroid shaped, [circular with a hole]. What I shall try is to place one on each side of the copper frame above my coils. |One north pole up, and one south pole up. Then I shall reverse each magnet and compare results. I f anyone who has a converter with removable top piece beats me to it., that is OK by me A stronger field could be achieved by using 2 magnets each side, one above the coil and one below. This one experiment has given me much enthusiasm to continue .
it has occurred to me that although walt`s results are impressive, the odds against him having achieved the optimum magnetic field in the right place are very small. therefore more experiments are needed here. One possibility is to use the magnets from the magnetron of a microwave oven. These are toroid shaped, [circular with a hole]. What I shall try is to place one on each side of the copper frame above my coils. |One north pole up, and one south pole up. Then I shall reverse each magnet and compare results. I f anyone who has a converter with removable top piece beats me to it., that is OK by me A stronger field could be achieved by using 2 magnets each side, one above the coil and one below. This one experiment has given me much enthusiasm to continue .
These sound like good suggestions to me.
I won't have access to any welding equipment until the end of january and I am a beginner so it will take me longer. So, I just want to share another idea that I cannot try.
In the 60's and 70's Patrick Flanagan did many seminal experiments on the pyramid. In one of his conclusions, he says that the magnetic field is very important to the working of the pyramid. And he showed that by directing a magnetic field toward the pyramid perpendicular to any base in any orientation and getting the better results. He was not checking for electrical power but since this working model is here ready to tap the something I would love to see what happens if the a magnet is directed toward the pyramid FROM THE OUTSIDE.
Just another idea on my wish list. It will be a while before I can try it.
This is so exciting!!!
jeanna
P.S. About two months ago we started this "project". no results and I told you why! Everyone is free to go ahead !!! Even if in from of him it is a wall!
I figured out a construction method for the capacitor without a need for soldering the copper plates. :)
I used 0.5 mm copper because i couldn't find 1 mm, and it's easier to cut.
Central screws are M4 nylon screws, contact screws are M3.
no results and I told you why!
tigrotto
Hi,
I still don?t believe that the magnet plays an important role in this setup. OK, the voltage rises, but this doesn?t mean that it will produce some amperage...
Walt, you should put a load on the output, and also connect the long 2-plate-capacitor before you can get some decent output, I guess...unless the long capacitor was also a kind of a trick, meant to hide the real principle.
The fact that the voltage sharply decreases when the pyramid is earthed is quite mind-boggling. Normally the earth should provide the pyramid with some free electrons, but in this case it seems to act like a deep throat >:(, swallowing all the energy the pyramid produces...
It?s a pitty that TT does not say anything anymore. Actually I believe now that he never wanted to disclose the principle.
BUT we can reinvent the wheel ;)
Cheers,
Spacetrax
nice work.
but there will be a probleme if this works as a cpacitor then the value would be different because the plate area counts.
greetings
walt
nice work.
but there will be a probleme if this works as a cpacitor then the value would be different because the plate area counts.
Fri Dec 14, 2007 - Thomas states: "I found out, that there are some guys posting to my descriptions absolutely false details. This is not because they are stupid, this is because they want to prevent success."
It appears nobody has bothered to track down who he might be referring to and where you have been lead astray but YOU HAVE TAKEN A WRONG TURN.
Fri Dec 14, 2007 - Thomas states: "I found out, that there are some guys posting to my descriptions absolutely false details. This is not because they are stupid, this is because they want to prevent success."
It appears nobody has bothered to track down who he might be referring to and where you have been lead astray but YOU HAVE TAKEN A WRONG TURN.
I need to be clear about somethings though I know it is going to ruffle some feathers.
In most cases YOU CAN NOT CHANGE ANYTHING IN AN REPLICATION ATTEMPT!
MOST OF YOU STILL DON'T GET IT!!!
Though something looks like a capacitor it doesn't mean that that's how it functioning in this device. It's size and shape in its environment counts.
You can't take T-Fittings and change the way they are oriented in a device and expect to have the same device.
You can't change wire sizes, etc.... and the list goes on....
NOTHING SHOULD BE CHANGED IN A REPLICATION
Thomas gave us a white paper on the V6. This is much more precise information than existed when this thread was started. Why is it that you CANNOT simply follow a design specification that has been given to you?
There may appear to be gray areas in that paper but if you follow the instruction in the ORDER that he laid it out, in most cases, you arrive at only one logical conclusion as to what he meant.
Now, the above has nothing to do with the QUOTE.
You guys can go ahead as if nothing has happened but you HAVE MADE A WRONG TURN.
This is basically Thomas's statement not mine. You can not ignore this and expect to come up with a working device.
I think I know when it occurred and what it was but I'm not going to state it here. Why?
Because if I were wrong then I'd be leading you down a wrong path.
Go back and read prior to DEC 14.
I believe it is a major misinterpretation of construction of the device and what he stated in the V6 plan.
As I stated in a post a while back - Don't ask someone else in the forum how to construct this device. You need to read, understand and follow Thomas's instructions. Then test your device and share your constructions details so we can all learn and move forward with this.
I believe 100% that Thomas gave us enough information to replicate this and if your device does not work then YOU MUST HAVE CHANGED SOMETHING.
Hi duff,
very nice defense. I agree with you totally in regards to changinmg anythings on a replica, but what should be replicated????? V6 ??? there was never a actual result given by TT nor any picture or values, WOW.
like mentioned before I did build after the what you call "white paper" and did not see what I should , "what should I see"????
after not seeing the results expected I started carefully to change some portion and I believe I am right because now slowly I see some resluts even if it is just less.
I believe thats the way how any new ( or very old) discovery can be replicated during testing and understand what is happen when.
greetings
walt
...
Fri Dec 14, 2007 - Thomas states: "I found out, that there are some guys posting to my descriptions absolutely false details. This is not because they are stupid, this is because they want to prevent success."
It appears nobody has bothered to track down who he might be referring to and where you have been lead astray but YOU HAVE TAKEN A WRONG TURN.
.... you HAVE MADE A WRONG TURN....
...
I think I know when it occurred ....
Hi duff,
very nice defense. I agree with you totally in regards to changinmg anythings on a replica, but what should be replicated????? V6 ??? there was never a actual result given by TT nor any picture or values, WOW.
like mentioned before I did build after the what you call "white paper" and did not see what I should , "what should I see"????
after not seeing the results expected I started carefully to change some portion and I believe I am right because now slowly I see some resluts even if it is just less.
I believe thats the way how any new ( or very old) discovery can be replicated during testing and understand what is happen when.
greetings
walt
Hi Walter,
I think that the most complete instructions are for the V6 and therefore what we should try to replicate. Thomas thought by releasing that information he was protecting himself. So surely it is correct.
If yours did not work then you must have interpreted something wrong.
Please go back and read the discussion several days before Dec 14.
Kind Regards,
-Duff
Here we go with the basic mechanics of the converter. ;D
The 4 mm polystyrol plates with the capacitor built-in between them fit almost perfectly around the 12 mm copper tubes.
The converter can easily be disassembled because the upper junctions are not soldered.
I have drilled 10 mm holes on the upper side to get good access to the contact points of the graphite rods, while maintaining the original construction with the wires leaving the converter to the left and right side. The holes can easily be closed by putting copper foil above them and fixing it with tape.
somehow it seams to me that the capacitor or pipe frame has different sizes then mine because if you compare my picture there is more room at the sides for the coil's which should be 25mm in diameter.
Has anyone tried different types of graphite rods and looked for differences ? ???
The energy pick-up tubing must now completely (however loosely!) filled with quartz sand
Are you referring to Thomas' statement that the graphite rods should be able to move and be hung up in a way so that their position is not fixed?
On the opposite side put likewise a graphiterod (2-3mm diameter pencil rod) freely hanging into the tube.
Thomas states:QuoteThe energy pick-up tubing must now completely (however loosely!) filled with quartz sand
This is my personal opinion and it may be WRONG.
When he said completely, I believe he meant all the way to the top of the entire U-shaped structure including the top horizontal piece.
Why - because look at the construction steps that were laid out.
1. Install left graphite rod
2. Install left 2.5 mm (#10 wire) coil
3. Install right graphite rod
4. Bore fill holes for salt water solution
5. Install right coil
6. Install capacitor
7. Hang unit in center of pyramid
8. Fill with sand
Assumption: So he must have created small fill holes and allowed the sand to trickle in like an hour glass.
@Skywatcher. In your discussion about graphite and pencil rods, you refer to "motor coals" By this, I assume you mean the graphite electrodes used in DC electric motors to connect the supply to the armature via the commutator. In Great Britain, and also I believe the USA , we call these things "Carbon Brushes " As a washing machine engineer, I use them every day, but have never seen any of suitable shape to be used for this converter.
You may be right regarding the point that also the upper section of the converter should be filled completely with sand.
This makes a lot of sense, and i will try it this way.
But i think with 'fill holes' he meant the small holes for filling the water into the lower part of the converter. ???
For practical reasons, i will do it this way:
1. converter consists of two sections: the lower part (U-shaped section) and the upper part (double-T shaped sections)
2. both sections are soldered, but the junction between the two sections is not soldered to allow disassembly
3. drill the two filling holes in the lower part of the U-section (at different niveaus, as specified in TT's spec)
4. fill the lower part of the U-section with sand, up to a few mm above the lower end of the graphite rods
5. connect a small piece of copper wire to the top of the graphite rods to allow further contacting
6. stick the graphite rods a few mm into the sand, in the middle of the tubes, so that they can not drift away
7. fill rest of the sand into the U-section, always controlling that the graphite rods remain in the middle of the tubes
8. put together the U-section and the double-T section
9. install the coils and solder them to the graphite-rods (use the 10 mm holes on the top for soldering, see my pictures above)
10. close the right and left openings where the wires enter it, using plastilin or hot-glue
11. fill the rest of the converter (upper section) with sand using one of the 10 mm holes on the top (the other hole should be closed before)
12. close the last hole on top of the converter using copper foil and adhesive tape.
13. install the central capacitor and connect the coils
14. install the converter in the pyramid
15. fill salt water into the converter using the small holes at the lower side of the converter, according to TT's spec
BTW, in the plan made by 'Acerzw', which has been approved by TT, the sand is only in the U-shaped section of the converter. ???
@walt:
When i look at your picture, i see that both coils are left-handed.
One of them should be left-handed, but the other should be right-handed.
In TT's spec, the left-handed coil is on the side where the shorter graphite rod is.
(don't know if this has any significance)
Please look at Reply #752 on page 51 (by duff) there's a picture how it should look like.
Did you use the capacitor (charge and discharge) shortly before making the experiment ?
Sometimes capacitors are building up charge without getting any input from outside.
To be sure, it would be best to use two identical capacitors: one for charging, and the other (disconnected) as reference.
you are right with the coils now but I had to change them for the new setup what realy brought something up.
here are the latest for today, after one more hour the voltage stands by 0.845V.
tomorrow I wiil change the coils back to the right and will finishe the big original capacitor.
greetings
walt
here are the latest for today, after one more hour the voltage stands by 0.845V.
tomorrow I wiil change the coils back to the right and will finishe the big original capacitor.
greetings
walt
....tomorrow I wiil change the coils back to the right and will finishe the big original capacitor....
....tomorrow I wiil change the coils back to the right and will finishe the big original capacitor....
Hi Walter,
please take note of skywatcher's posting:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,695.msg67060.html#msg67060
He is right:
according to your pictures you have to REWIND one of your coils in the other direction, as there was NEVER a CW and a CCW coil in any of your pictures.
It seems that you always had only coils with the same winding direction.
You can not just turn one coil round to change this fact.
One coil must be actually REWOUND IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION.
edit: eine gewindestange mit rechtsgewinde wird nicht durch umdrehen zu einem linksgewinde.
Please Walter, take no offence in this posting.
PS: While thinking about it, I am starting to realize that symmetry and especially same wire length for all symmetrical parts may be much more important than I imagined before.
here are the latest for today, after one more hour the voltage stands by 0.845V.
tomorrow I wiil change the coils back to the right and will finishe the big original capacitor.
greetings
walt
Walter I am wondering how the same setup would charge without pyramid.
George
0.8V means nothing if you don't specify the ammount of current.
0.8V means less than the worst voltage cell. you have inside the pyramid at least two cells so that, no mistery about 0.8 v discovery.
I told you : something is missing here!
Tigrotto
he got a kick in the ass in TT board, and were downgraded to an normal user, he was an moderator before.
happend after he floated the board with nerving child like postings.
that's what he reached...
atlantex
Hi george,
this is what I did first outside the pyramide but there was no charge at all.
greetings
walt
today I did put a rewind coil in the setup and connected the whole thing back to the description from TT and I tell you there is no output at all it jumps to 0.007V and thats it. I even did finish the big capacitor and put him in no change.
I also did clean out the whole thing and started new, nothing again.
now can anybody tell me what is wrong on this picture, the old coil version did bring up something even if it was not to much, the recommended version where many believed is the only what works does not work at all.
the latest change with the parts from V6 but connected like V4 ( at leasdt as far as I can identify) did charge a 1 farad booster cap up to 0.845V.
It shown like:
IF the output Vortage are different , so
so cil is CW
and CCW turned ...
so that experiment say , some "thing" inside the
device is working , that is NOT to explain
with "galanic cell".
Pese
OK guys here we are,
today I did put a rewind coil in the setup and connected the whole thing back to the description from TT and I tell you there is no output at all it jumps to 0.007V and thats it. I even did finish the big capacitor and put him in no change.
I also did clean out the whole thing and started new, nothing again.
now can anybody tell me what is wrong on this picture, the old coil version did bring up something even if it was not to much, the recommended version where many believed is the only what works does not work at all. the latest change with the parts from V6 but connected like V4 ( at leasdt as far as I can identify) did charge a 1 farad booster cap up to 0.845V.
now I am very courious what happen when I have finished the V4 version and put them to the test.
Now answering some question about the setup what charged the booster cap: the strange thing was that only the lower plate contact was connected the other did float ( nothing connected at all).
the whole copper pipe U frame is just floating no connection to anythings at all here too.
the pyramide is only closed on three sides because if V4 real it was open on one side too and did bring the power to run the fan.
what I also found out by dismanteling the V6 version was that at the point of filling where the small hole is on ether side is a empty space between the bottom U and the vertical pipes where the graphite rods are it is about 1/8 inch where no sand is what means no connection between the bottom and the verticals this is due to the way how the sand should be filled in like TT described it should be loosly filled in now when the saltwater is injected the bottom portion denses and the moisture from there climbe's up the pipe wll and saturate the bottom portion of the vertical pipe sand where the bottom portion shrinks more and more and builds this empty space.
thats so far my expirience. I will report how V4 works out.
greetigns
walt
today I did put a rewind coil in the setup and connected the whole thing back to the description from TT and I tell you there is no output at all it jumps to 0.007V and thats it. I even did finish the big capacitor and put him in no change.
I also did clean out the whole thing and started new, nothing again.
now can anybody tell me what is wrong on this picture, the old coil version did bring up something even if it was not to much, the recommended version where many believed is the only what works does not work at all.
Hmmm... ??? This is very strange, but it clearly shows that we have a real (unknown) effect, because if it would be only galvanic effects or something like that, these effects don't care at all about the direction of the coils.
Hopefully i will finish my setup tomorrow, then i can start my own experiments. :)Quotethe latest change with the parts from V6 but connected like V4 ( at leasdt as far as I can identify) did charge a 1 farad booster cap up to 0.845V.
Yesterday we talked about using a second cap and you said the booster caps are very expensive.
You could also use Gold Caps. They also have very high capacities, but are much smaller and very cheap, compared to the booster caps.
The Gold Caps have lower maximum voltages, but i think at the moment the typical 5V are more than sufficient. ;)
@magpower
I have few suggestions.
Looking at some of your previous pictures (don't know if you current setup is the same), you have would both coils in the same direction and they should be opposing.
Also, try changing the wire size to #10 (2.5 mm), and give it an inner diameter of 25mm rather than winding it directly on the tubing.
Thanks for the update
-Duff
Hi george,
this is what I did first outside the pyramide but there was no charge at all.
greetings
walt
Hi Walter,
It looks to me that it acted exactly like battery I had for some time in the pyramid.
I remember that TT was explicitly saying that to much of salt water is no good. When I was injecting salt water, in the beginning it was going in easy. Then at some point sand was saturated and I had difficulties to inject more. Since I haven't seen it come out through the other hole I kept injecting. Then I saw a drop forming on the other side. At that moment I stopped. Now I am reassembling collector and what I found out my entire sand is saturated real well with salt water. That might be bad. It took me about 15 minutes to see that drop forming on the other side. I might rushed to much to inject the salt water. This time I am planning to get it really slow and easy.
I want to hear others experience with it.
George
Hi duff,
did you read my post in regards to changing the coil winding direction? Till anybody comes up with results from a setup where the coils wind in oposed direction ( because the most who reported here and have the right coil direction reporting that they have nothing) I sai this is exactly what does not work. maybe I am wrong but my test prove's otherwise till now.
greetings
walt
@magpower
I have few suggestions.
Looking at some of your previous pictures (don't know if you current setup is the same), you have would both coils in the same direction and they should be opposing.
Also, try changing the wire size to #10 (2.5 mm), and give it an inner diameter of 25mm rather than winding it directly on the tubing.
Thanks for the update
-Duff
I've had a setback -
Everything was assembled in pyramid - grounds, secodary capacitior, etc and was getting ready to inject saltwater solution when I noticed one of my endcaps had shifted outward a couple of mm. Don't know when it happened but as a result I uncertain of the condition/position of carbon rod. I decided to disassemble, check that rod was not broken and repostition before proceeding.
Unable to get unit apart - wedged. bent tubing trying.
Now I have to rebuild power pickup assembly.
-Duff
Hi duff,
You are a pure guy, but I was there too and I have rebuild for the same reason at least five times till I finally found out that as long as you dont have a short between the rod and the pipe it makes no difference. you can easely check this with a DVM set for check continuity.
good luck
greetigns
walt
Hi duff,
You are a pure guy, but I was there too and I have rebuild for the same reason at least five times till I finally found out that as long as you dont have a short between the rod and the pipe it makes no difference. you can easely check this with a DVM set for check continuity.
good luck
greetigns
walt
Walter,
DVM would not help in this case - no salt solution was installed.
Actually I was going to correct the alignment anyway and if the rod was broken I would have taken care of it also.
I see where the problem is now with the copper fittings. There in no real stop in there. If you push hard it just keeps going up into the joint. It affects you tube lengths as well depending on how hard you set the tube.
I'm looking for copper set screw to fix that mess...
Something I thought was interesting when I unwound the coil. Out of curiosity I measured the length. It was 100 centimeters. So TT made the coil length the same length as the base & sides.
-Duff
@all,
when are you going to figure out that you don't have the information neccessary for any replications of tt, until he finishes, something anything. look back and take a serious look at what you have. what a possible frame with alot of unanswered questions about that or at least several ambiguos answers as if no real thought was put into answering any questions except with "you guys are super and doing great, yes" , that must be it this time guys, so whatever you do don't try anything else because you might piss tt off and he will never come back. START THINKING OF SOME REAL EXPERIMENTS YOU MIGHT DO WITHOUT WORRYING ABOUT WHAT TT THINKS!!!!!! JEEZ!!! WHAT IS THE PROBLEM?
lol
sam
...setback ...
...rebuild ...
:
:
Thomas states:QuoteThe energy pick-up tubing must now completely (however loosely!) filled with quartz sand
This is my personal opinion and it may be WRONG.
When he said completely, I believe he meant all the way to the top of the entire U-shaped structure including the top horizontal piece.
Why - because look at the construction steps that were laid out.
1. Install left graphite rod
2. Install left 2.5 mm (#10 wire) coil
3. Install right graphite rod
4. Bore fill holes for salt water solution
5. Install right coil
6. Install capacitor
7. Hang unit in center of pyramid
8. Fill with sand
Assumption: So he must have created small fill holes and allowed the sand to trickle in like an hour glass.
If this is true he has no way to determine the level until it is completely full.
:
:
-Duff
@walter and all,
i have been following this thread and tt site since the begining. i have also been following the earth battery thread. in the earth battery thread and experiments, they have found that using cabon rod stuck into the ground always becomes the positive of the circuit and by using a magnesium rod stuck in the ground this becomes a negative pole. by running this circuit through a led they are already generating enough power to light the led. please don't let me take you off track, however, tt never really finished describing his setup completely. so we really can't be sure what his setup is. it does seem to make a little sense to me however if you are using two carbon rods, maybe both actually positive with only a slight voltage differential due to the length of your positve carbon rods why your coils only produce when wound the same direction. it also makes sense to me that if you also use a magnesium rod, negative, and a carbon rod positive, to form a circuit through your coils that are wound right handed and lefthanded and then ran in series with your capacitor, you might expect to have a chance, with proper alighnment to get enough power to see if in fact the pyramid is doing anything to enhance this effect.
just my thoughts. kind of got a little discouraged about the actual build when tt pulled out, since you guys are already way ahead my if someone could give this a try it might get some more of us watchers off our asses. keep up the good work.
lol
sam
think about switching one of your rods for a negative, either zink coated iron or magnesium. then you have a circuit!!!
@ walt,
i think what you are seeing is a result, however small of the earths magnetic fields running across your coils, just because the earth is spinning in a magnetic field! you have so little voltage how can you asume anything else? other than maybe "the grid", jezz i can get more voltage out of my laptop's stray capacitance! what the f---k? how can you possibly consider such voltage as even pertaining to anythin other than the earth? if you can stick your two carbon rods in the ground, one two inches and one three inches, and get not only votage but amperage out, how in the hell are our fifty dollar pyramids, helping a damn thing. pardon my french! the real question is, DOES THE PYRAMID HELP THIS ACTION? screw what tt said!! obviously something is wrong with that picture. I SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW WHAT TT DISCOVERED, BUT IF WHAT HE HAS POSTED SO FAR IS ANY INDICATION, I CAN'T SEE WHY IT WOULD BE A PROBLEM!!!!
lolo
sam
ps: so since you have the hardware now, why not experiment on your own? seems logical!!
@walt and all,,HUH? ??? ???
good luck, i just can't figure why you want look at the facts with the hardware. take the long road if you must!!!
lol
sam
@ supersam, we have no alternative except to take the long road, unless of course you know a shorter road, in which case, please tell.
My next step is to replicate the v4 as closely as possible. Looking at the photo on page one of this topic, There are 2 areas of confusion regarding the circuit. First is the area near the blue object on the left side of the copper tube. we now know there is a reed switch here operated by a magnet, and both of these are unnecessary. The other area is identifying the 2 output leads of the capacitor. [ note that the drawing on this page shows only one out put lead. One lead is obvious. A black wire exits the cap at top left and connects to the 5 turn coil via a terminal block. The
only other output lead is the bare wire at cap bottom left. I think it connects either to the reed switch and thus to the left graphite rod and the converter output. A second, less likely possibility is that it connects to the copper frame near the reed switch.
Thus the circuit is; 2 graphite rods connect together and the output is taken from the left rod, another wire from left graphite goes to the big coil then the small coil, through the cap and back to the left graphite[ or possibly to copper frame] Opinions welcome
Hi Walt, and thanks for your input.However I am inclined to agree with Duffs post on the Yahoo site when ha says that the black wires visible at the upper corners of the central cap, are just to connect individual positive and individual negative plates. You idea of a coil interleaved with the plates is feasible. As always it is best for us all to try different ideas.Re the V4. Assuming the central cap plates are sized as in V6 [ and there may be only a total of 6 plates in the v4 cap] then the copper frame is considerably taller. we do not know the length of the graphite rods in v4, and there appears to be no saltwater drain holes. I am experimenting with a test tube full of sand, to try to create a formula to determine what quantity of saltwater will wet a given volume of sand. Thus I can put the saltwater in before the sand.
Is anybody satisfied,or not, that they can demonstate any effect , however small, that happens inside the pyramid, but not outside.
Also does anybody who has a theory about the origin of "pyramid" energy" have a theory about the shape or direction of the field, rays, etc inside the pyramid. The more we find out, the less we realise we know...
Then today I thought I would remeasure the frame and found it 3mm out of square
Then today I thought I would remeasure the frame and found it 3mm out of square
Hi duff,
3mm Winkelfehler solltest Du ohne Probleme noch mit der Hand ausrichten k?nnen. Setz die Basis mit der Ecke auf den Boden auf und dr?ck feste drauf. Wirst sehen, der kommt ;)
Ansonsten zieh in den Ecken, die >90? sind, nochmal eine Naht in der Innenecke durch. Beim Erkalten zieht die Schwei?naht den Winkel nochmal zusammen. Ma?kontrolle mach ich bei solchen Arbeiten grunds?tzlich nicht mit dem Winkel, sondern ?bers Diagonalma?.
3mm.... pfffffffff.....w?r doch gelacht...:D
Now you keep the square-tubes (2pc. with 1000mm) and give them to 2 opposite sides of the plate. Cut 2 pc. of square-tubes to 960mm and give them to the plate to create a square.
Weld this now only with a few points to fix the square, and control that the square is in correct angle of 90? on all 4 Corners :-)
If anything is correct, weld the Corners on the Corners complete. (It doesn?t matter if you burn the plate Grin)
Control the angles after welding again, and check, that the square have "floor contact" to the plate.
The next step is a little bit more complicated, because we have to find the right cutting angle, and the right lenght for the next 4 Squaretubes. To keep the whole lengt of this tubes, we have to give away the 20mm of the groundframe. On the other side, we have to measure exactly 1000mm to the 3/8" Tube in the Center of the plate.
No TT no pyramid
I told you many times!
You're loosing time here!!!
No TT no pyramid ( if this was not a story!!!!) .
Tigrotto
I told you many times!
You're loosing time here!!!
No TT no pyramid ( if this was not a story!!!!) .
Could someone please give a brief translation of the above post, and more importantly the latest post on the Yahoo group pyramid site. Thankyou.@ Neptun
I am continuing to experiment.
After some thought I have dropped my sand level to just below the center conductor in the top horizontal copper tube. This will prevent the two sides from shorting via the copper wire.
I am also making adjustments in the salt solution level. I am making small changes and keeping accurate records of what has been injected. I wait a day or so before making further adjustments and record voltage levels between the carbon & copper every hour or so. I have not yet reached a level where solution runs out the right hole and have injected 6 ml so far.
I've also been trying to determine if there is an interaction between the galvanic action of the copper and carbon, the pyramid alignment and height of the energy pickup device. So far I've seen no patterns that I can identify. The only thing I've noted is that the voltage with respect to the carbon and copper is higher with all 4 sides on.
I have never seen any voltage between the secondary capacitor and the pyramid frame other than an ac component. Yes - I have a separate ground from my house wiring and plumbing. It is a ground I setup on a previous experiment. The Earth Ground consists of 26" flat spiral (roughly 50 feet of 1/2 inch copper tubing) buried in a 16 inch hole with an 8 foot ground rod driven through the center to a depth of 16"+96"=112 inches. The ac component is a problem...
-Duff
Hi duff,
I am so damne busy with work that I did have no time to do anything but I will tell from my experience :
I never was aible to get some water out of the second hole and the answer is that the water gets up in the vertical sand, thats why I injected about 4mL on ether side very slow,
also I found that with the pyramide frame connected to the ground ( totaly seperated 10 feet in the ground) that the voltage what is shown goes down about half,
the covering of all four side's did not make any difference against just three side's, even the bare frame brought pretty much the same result
I have on the secondary cap after charging thru the converter DC and just 0.004V on AC
I only measure between the pyramide frame and the caps or converter . the converter is not connected at all to the pyramide frame this is in order to avoid any influence from a galvanic cell so to speak.
The kick start with a battery brought after the initial voltage run down nothing.
the highest output was the converter set to a hight of 230mm from base and a bit of true north, the pyramide frame set to true north. it was 0.845V, but just one time never again more then 0,4V.
maybe this helps
greetings
walt
Now with a one-way syringe inject saltwater (approx. 5%) into the left lower hole, until the first drop comes out at the right hole.
SLOWLY inject saltwater until the Graphite rods are standing with their lower ends in the saltwater-sand solution.
Too much saltwater: --- Simply , wait one hour until it has run out enough.
Too low volume of saltwater: - - - Inject more saltwater until it drops out of the right hole.
On the very important thing is that the grafitne not in salt water. (If too much water in it can be 0 power)
First, I thought also that it would be better if the inner cell with salt water is full, but only after the two wells began to slow the thing to run.
It?s really a little tricky to mix sand and saltwater before you insert it into the pipes. So follow my description, wich works best. When you fill the tubes with saltwater, you will se a very bad effect.
(The pyramide will produce only very low power for aproxx. 10-10 min. This is because there is too much liquid inside. you can see, that the pyramide is pushing up the power after the first 30 minutes. After this process it?s not necessary to refill saltwater anytime!
The most important thing in the whole construction is, not to fill the tubes with saltwater!
To much saltwater destructs the pipe, and there will be a output equal zero!!!
Then make a mixture of Water+ 5%salt and press it in the left hole. If the first drop comes out on the right, stop!!
Wait 20-30 Minutes, and turn the Pyramide slowly into north.. and enjoy the Result.
ATTENTION: It?s normal, that the pyramide will start with small energy, becaus there is shurely to much saltwater inside.
Give the pyramide time (sometimes more than 60 Minutes.. the energy will increase from minute to minute.
I think I understood how the egyptian pyramids worked.
So, you know that pyramids dehydrate bodies, so what if they produce HEAT from inside ?
Now, by studying different sections of the old pyramids, I noticed that all of them had wells deep underground, where from they must have extracting water, in times when the desert was fertile land and water level was near the earth surface. By some means they conducted the water through the corridors and passages, thus reaching even the queens and kings chamber. I remember I read somewhere that when they first opened the great pyramid, they found salt on the walls, the walls being also a little erroded by salt. So, here we have the salted water of Trawoeger.
I think that Trawogers pyramid produces primarily heat, and when the copper frame is heated, some peltier effect comes into play, because there are more different metalls built into the frame. Then he collects the high current-low voltage and converts them by means of spool and condensers. You notice that the coil is not made directly on the copper pipe, maybe because the pipe gets hot?
Also, when you look to his old pictures, on the first site of this thread, you see the open hole of a narrower copper pipe, attached to the main copper frame. Maybe he added salted water in order to TUNE the copper frame to the frequency of the pyramid. I dont know if the V6 has something right in it, so we could start by making the frame shown in his picture.
I also have to say something else. After I understood how the pyramid works, I wanted to keep it for myself and make a lot of money with it, but as I rejoyed at that idea, something strange happened, in my head I heard a very loud and penetrating thought saying DONT BE SELFISH! That gave me the chills and kind of scared me because of its strength, that was definitely NOT my thought, so I decided to register here and tell the solution to you all. I will build my own pyramid and try it, but some of you have already built pyramids, so you can try it first.
PYRAman
I think I made a new discovery by looking at the Keops pyramid cross section. When the Grand Gallery was filled with water and in the portcullis of the ante-chamber of the kings chamber some strings vibrated by means of wind coming through the narrow channels in the walls, the whole thing became a kind of a SOUND making instrument. Over the kings chamber are the so called relief chambers, made of thick plates POLISHED ONLY ON THE SIDE TOWARDS THE CHAMBER. I thing this is a kind of multi-stage resonator for sound, not relief chambers.
What if Thomas Trawoeger used the narrow pipe on the left side of the copper pipes assembly also for INJECTING SOUND (ultrasound?) into the pipes?
This is my supposition of how it may work: by injecting sound into the pipes, the cuartz cristalls start to vibrate and being in the focal point of the pyramid (?) they convert the pyramid energy (whatever this may be) into electricity. Now, being immersed into the salted water, the cristalls DISCHARGE immediately and WARM UP the water and the lower pipe. I think the salt concentration may be higher than just 5 percent.
If this all is true, Thomas Trawoeger just played with you in his own interest, because from what I have read until now, he never mentioned sound or heat.
As a rule of thumb, when you try to find the working principle, ALWAYS LOOK AT THE EGYPTIAN PYRAMIDS, especially at the Keops pyramid.
PYRAman
If we could just get a "handle" on exactly what kind of energy we are looking for, we would have a better chance.
Everything related to this device has to be precision work and my disc was not close. Today, I'm just thinking about what I need to do to be able to test this in a precise way.I think this is absolutely correct. To collect some kind of energy that our instruments can detect. The Human can easily detect this energy, but our bodies have receptors that work at a very wide range. ( Perhaps this is the reason so many have been willing to continue with the building of these replicas. On the intuitive level, we know there is something happening in a pyramid.)
-Duff
QuoteIf we could just get a "handle" on exactly what kind of energy we are looking for, we would have a better chance.
@Neptune
I am familiar with ELF and have done quite a bit of reading related to it. Perhaps something in that frequency range triggers an event in the pyramid which allows the energy to start being received. Who knows...
At this point I have not found the pyramid influences anything inside it - that I can measure. If we could just find an affect that is measurable then we could possibly get a foothold.
It could depend on the pickup device being in just the right location before any effect appears.
I did some testing last night with a disc trying to rotate the pickup device around a specific point - nothing.
Everything related to this device has to be precision work and my disc was not close. Today, I'm just thinking about what I need to do to be able to test this in a precise way.
-Duff
@libra-spirit. Could you give more information about scalar coils. I respect your beliefs regarding the use of an iron wire, but I do not share them. I think you are referring to dowsing, or divining. If you can do this under controlled conditions, you are eligible for the James Randi 1,000,000 dollar prize. I would love to see you win it, but am not holding my breath! Still at least you are contributing to the debate.
I think I made a new discovery by looking at the Keops pyramid cross section. When the Grand Gallery was filled with water and in the portcullis of the ante-chamber of the kings chamber some strings vibrated by means of wind coming through the narrow channels in the walls, the whole thing became a kind of a SOUND making instrument. Over the kings chamber are the so called relief chambers, made of thick plates POLISHED ONLY ON THE SIDE TOWARDS THE CHAMBER. I thing this is a kind of multi-stage resonator for sound, not relief chambers.
What if Thomas Trawoeger used the narrow pipe on the left side of the copper pipes assembly also for INJECTING SOUND (ultrasound?) into the pipes?
This is my supposition of how it may work: by injecting sound into the pipes, the cuartz cristalls start to vibrate and being in the focal point of the pyramid (?) they convert the pyramid energy (whatever this may be) into electricity. Now, being immersed into the salted water, the cristalls DISCHARGE immediately and WARM UP the water and the lower pipe. I think the salt concentration may be higher than just 5 percent.
If this all is true, Thomas Trawoeger just played with you in his own interest, because from what I have read until now, he never mentioned sound or heat.
As a rule of thumb, when you try to find the working principle, ALWAYS LOOK AT THE EGYPTIAN PYRAMIDS, especially at the Keops pyramid.
PYRAmanI think I understood how the egyptian pyramids worked.
So, you know that pyramids dehydrate bodies, so what if they produce HEAT from inside ?
Now, by studying different sections of the old pyramids, I noticed that all of them had wells deep underground, where from they must have extracting water, in times when the desert was fertile land and water level was near the earth surface. By some means they conducted the water through the corridors and passages, thus reaching even the queens and kings chamber. I remember I read somewhere that when they first opened the great pyramid, they found salt on the walls, the walls being also a little erroded by salt. So, here we have the salted water of Trawoeger.
I think that Trawogers pyramid produces primarily heat, and when the copper frame is heated, some peltier effect comes into play, because there are more different metalls built into the frame. Then he collects the high current-low voltage and converts them by means of spool and condensers. You notice that the coil is not made directly on the copper pipe, maybe because the pipe gets hot?
Also, when you look to his old pictures, on the first site of this thread, you see the open hole of a narrower copper pipe, attached to the main copper frame. Maybe he added salted water in order to TUNE the copper frame to the frequency of the pyramid. I dont know if the V6 has something right in it, so we could start by making the frame shown in his picture.
I also have to say something else. After I understood how the pyramid works, I wanted to keep it for myself and make a lot of money with it, but as I rejoyed at that idea, something strange happened, in my head I heard a very loud and penetrating thought saying DONT BE SELFISH! That gave me the chills and kind of scared me because of its strength, that was definitely NOT my thought, so I decided to register here and tell the solution to you all. I will build my own pyramid and try it, but some of you have already built pyramids, so you can try it first.
PYRAman
I am very intrested in all the knowledge that people are collecting with respect to these pyramids. Even the visions and dreams that may be comming in.
@All
If anyone here would care to hear about how the great pyramid was actually a power generating device... and take into account.. there ARE ELECTRICAL SCORCH marks across the chambers which the energy was channeled through... it makes good sense. Ive put together a workable idea on how this was done and evaluated the different mineral compositions in the different chambers and there purposes. if anyone has any interest please tell me.
Joe
@PYRAman
Why don't you draw up a plan with exact dimensions and materials list and post it.
Hello all seekers
Here is a man christopher dunn, I would like to introduce you to him and his theory about the gpg power plant.I think it might just be what you all have been searching for, to spark your imaginations to another level of thinking on this project. I have a few Ideas for experiments with pyramids, I'm just not done building mine yet, Heres one that I invite anyone's feedback for. Why not try a receiver curcit similar to a crystal radio tank tuner and rectify both side of the output with another diode and capacitor? Just a wild thought ;)
Michael
watch this video and be amazed
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2676128221474744663&q=chris+dunn&total=367&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0
Watch out!.Thomas has reneved his company selling the plans of the pyramids....
http://www.trawoeger.net/
I belive is the same: Office@trawoeger.net was the same email Thomas gived at the beginning,as I remember.
It seems that a quite simple set-up of a home-made capacitor and two home-made coils, stimulated by a magnet, positioned at the geometric center of a metallic pyramid will produce appreciable amounts of current, enough to run a small fan.
It sounds like to me by just reading your post, that the device is basically a form of homopolar generator, using the earth's magnetic field on the outside of the pyramid. The magnet seems to concentrate the flux and cause a power to be induced in the copper? He did mention that the dc is a pure dc, just like a homopolar generator would produce.
from Stefan Hartmann's OverUnity forum:
@tigrotto: The Accu-loader was the Mother of my invention :-)
greets, Tom
thomas trawogers copper loop, was a water cell!
the steel screw was electrically connected, with the saltwater in the copper loop!
the connection went copper pipe,
saltwater,
copper wire (inside top of copper loop),
steel screw,
copper wire,
capacitor.
i had this missing link, the moment i stuck copper wire and steel wire, into a bowl of water.
the steel frame acted as the steel-sheet peak.
the steel frame was electrically sepperated from everything, so that it could dedicate all of its energy, into cramming CW into the copper loop in the middle.
i'm not sure what you are talking about, pese.give attention to the graphit electrode that was inside the sand an saltwater-filled tube
but the saltwater is neccessary, to polarize-yet-connect the copper and steel.
copper/saltwater/steel produce electricity.
but MOST of the electricity, comes from the pyramid dumping CW into the copper, and CCW into the steel.
i do not think that is it possible to collect from a pyramid, without 2 metals touching water.
or some hydrogen/whatever substitute for water.
This is my feeling to what happen in this thread
In the first page that was the real sincere Thomas, then his website was under attack, then he disapper 15 days ! , and when he reappear he was not the same, he has been replace by another paid conspiracy agent to fool us all,
or it may be from the beginning that he was not really him ?
anyway that is a good sigh, that is a probably a working device and we have not see it yet
Hi Jeanna,
take a look and leme knw wat u think. :)
Hindu temples have something called Vimana which is pyramidal in shape and structure and is the largest part of the temple, there are seperate volumes and books on temple building which specifies very exact measurements and angles indicating a highly precise geometricala nd trigonometrical knowledge among the people who created it.
every temple till date in india is constructed in exactly the same way,
Vimana Fourth-Density Craft
Ancient Sanskrit knowledge is preserved in humanity's oldest books, the Vedas of India, relating the technological feats of a civilization capable of not only airborne flight but even interplanetary travel. Yet, as in our contemporary industry, these advanced achievements were plagued by destructive technologies.
The Vedic Mahabharata text details the destructive effects of nuclear warfare with unmistakable descriptions of the mushroom cloud and radiation sickness - a text that was completely beyond modern comprehension until the events of 1945 at Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. The melted remains of those two modern cities informed a new understanding of the fate of ancient cities like Pakistan's Harrapa and Moenjo-daro, which evidently suffered an identical nuclear annihilation several thousand years ago as attested by still radioactive skeletons strewn about their streets.
The complex technical knowledge contained in these oldest Vedic scriptures has already produced breakthroughs in material science which provide insight into one of the most deeply veiled aspects of ancient human technology - the control of gravity. Later Sanskrit texts such as the Vimana Shastra (quoting Lohatantra), Amsu Bodhini, and Kritaka Vajra Nirnaya, contain extensive metallurgical formulations of various alloys of gold, silver, copper, zinc and iron.
For this reason, I believe that the Egyptians were attempting to harness the vibrations of the Earth itself.
To understand this, we must grasp the fact that the planet we live on resonates and vibrates, though at a very low frequency that none of us notices. It does this partly because of its shifting tectonic plates but also because it is bombarded from outer space by electromagnetic radiation from the sun and by other cosmic rays.
It is therefore possible, as the writer Christopher Dunn has suggested, that the Great Pyramid functioned as an acoustic horn – harnessing the vibrations of the Earth.
These low frequency vibrations would have travelled up through the foundations of the Pyramid and caused the granite beams above the King’s Chamber to resonate in sympathy. The idea behind the different sizes and masses of the beams may have been to generate harmonics of the Earth frequencies, i.e. to raise them to an audible level (the human ear can detect frequencies down to about 16 Hertz). These subtly modified vibrations would then have been transmitted down into the chamber below, which was designed to amplify and broadcast the sounds.
Is there a chance that some sort of sand (SiO2 +???) releases hydrogen ?
Not very sure about the authenticity of this site that Drannom posted,
http://www.humanresonance.org/vimana.html
More than a chance.
I have been messing around with the crystal battery things. - just a little-
It seems that in a basic environment - like around pH11 or more (maybe pH13 is needed) sand dissolves into liquid. To some extent sodium silicate is there.
If this is mixed with some clay the the Sodium and Aluminum are there as well.
So, the Aluminum begins to dissolve and H2 is the gas that is liberated.
I have popped it I am sure. Each bubble that formed popped as I lit it.
Also, the Al electrodes would dissolve around the mixture and make bubbles of H2. TT had us use copper and the copper electrodes do not produce this effect.
I don't know about the carbon electrode. I have been wondering about carbon as an electrode in electrolysis action. It is a possibility, I think.
I made several mixes so I can't be very explicit here, but this is definitely a chemical reaction that can happen.
Now, with just sand in a saline solution, I think not. There needs to be alkalinity and aluminum present. But this is very easily added.
But, then again, sand + salt water + carbon... maybe.
Good idea spacetrax, thanks.
jeanna
After some months, i tried to have a look again at http://trawoeger-pyramide.info/ and got this:
Hi,Jes this is right, i have hade contact wuth him since 2005,
....
another people told me via pm that TT has problems with siemens is this field, now if I read this, it seems it was not a joke...
If the technology is in the finger of payoff siemens, then no people will see it again in the next 20 years :-\
atlantex
except maybe for the two coils. which might have a diode effect, like drannon said.
which would explain why the CCW coil had more turns, than the CW coil.
I need to check this out but couldn't the 2 coils (CW & CCW) provide a simple rectifer action to convert an AC signal to DC? bifilar wound with the one end tied together so the input and output leads are at the same end is how I am seeing this, if we have a common core material in the coils center this may allow the coils to be separated and still provide the same affect. Just a thought guys.
i'm still working on the pyramid.
i'm just trying to discover a missing piece in my knowledge, which is evading me.
2 days ago, i realized that there must be something critical that i need to do, but have not been doing.
something involving the the clockwise coil, and the counter-clockwise coil.
i think that one of the two coils "collects" CW so that it can be used,
and the other coil "collects" CCW, so that it can be used.
as for the illuminati.
those dark clowns cannot touch me.
they cannot even successfully daydream about touching me. let alone do it.
i have asked the pleiadians,
the andromedans,
the sirians,
the arcturians,
the asshole ummites,
all 1,001 other species of space-hippy space-elf pokemon,
archangel micheal,
lord metatron,
lady "diamond-hide"nada,
jesus tapdancing sananda,
a partridge in a pear tree,
and every willing entity in the entire freaking universe,
to protect me from the illuminati.
so that i may spread technology, without being found dead in a laundromat parking lot one day.
even if the dark clowns could find me, than i am 6 times more untouchable to them, than Al Capone.
minus an income tax evasion conviction.
if they even tried to lift a finger against me, than my invincible horde of protectors would hand them an ice cream cone containing 24 flavors of -blocked.
other than that, i believe 124% that i am fully protected from harm.
and that makes it impossible for them to so much as sneeze at me.
hoping that their dark clown germs might somehow give me a cold.
even the dark-clown common-cold, coming from their snotty dark clown noses, cannot touch me!
Try reading the previous 68 pages. Everything you want to know is there.How about you try summarizing the key informations on the first page where it should be, huh ??
Bill
How about you try summarizing the key informations on the first page where it should be, huh ??
I agree that it would be nice to have a summary on the first post but this software does not allow for that and, if you think about it, many of these topics move at such a rapid rate, the summary would have to be changed daily if not hourly.Well, this particular topic seems to have slowed down so it's now possible to summarize it. The moderator (if not the original poster) can edit the post to add the informations or just a link to special page, such as a FAQ on all the systems. On a forum you talk you talk, but what comes out ?...
Bill
Hi guys,The TT "finds"
i built a pyramid from your plan , V6
but after some accurate research i found this is just a radio,and nothing >:( ???
crystal radio needs ,quartz crystal earphone , graphite( for diode) ,coil , antena, ground connection, and some wiering
and it do not required an external power,
you used desert sand as quartz, coil , graphite as diode , & condenser for filtering and routing electrons across the plates, to gather with the output condenser.
the pyramid's frame, works like an antena, you must turn it to find at least one radio stations,
and you need ground !!! :D
look at the links:
http://www.techlib.com/electronics/crystal.html
http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/radio/homemade_radio.html
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1_____enIR328IR328&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=crystal+radio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_radio
http://www.google.com/images?rlz=1C1_____enIR328IR328&q=crystal+radio&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=univ&ei=1wXoS_a4Lsa88gaM1vDxAw&sa=X&oi=image_result_group&ct=title&resnum=4&ved=0CD4QsAQwAw
you can replace the pyramid with a standard antena,
and you will see the results .
you can also remove the output condenser and place a crystal earphone instead, and listen your favorite radio station bye turning the pyramid to right and left,
Why don't YOU do that and post your results?One reason is because I still don't have the english transcription of the german video to learn how the system works. All links I found are dead.
One reason is because I still don't have the english transcription of the german video to learn how the system works. All links I found are dead.
http://www.rexresearch.com/trawoeger/pyramid.pdfOkay great, thanks.
Take a look at this patent:This patent application number exists, but the drawings aren't included for free with the text.
http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20080315587
@ All:At the risk of sounding cynical, these patents may actually work, since they need verifiable test results to back up claims. However, if the Gov't wants people to be dependent on fossil fuel and the political power that these politicians maintain over the population, then worthwhile patents will be *ignored* forever. They, the politicians, don't want anyone to be independent or self-reliant.
Although I do think that the energy from a pyramid can be tapped, I would like to see a real working model first , but not one that needs all kinds of additional sources connected to the grid, or batteries to make it produce anything. If the pattents are valid, why are they being ignored, as these pattents and ideas have been out for years now. Or, have I been missing something?
NZ
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Personally, I would have added an coil to the top of the pyramid to see how that affected output.
Take a look at:
http://www.rexresearch.com/grandics/grandics.htm
--Lee
Lee:Point taken. We can all express our opinion. But, people who complain can become unwelcome targets. Have you heard of Karen Silkwood?
I respectfully disagree. If indeed this did work and was exposed on OU.com, as well as other research sites, I would hope that replications would travel like wildfire and no one could stop that. Since this did not happen, I have to conclude that there was nothing here really.
I am not trying to be contrary here at all, this is just my opinion.Sure. I merely take a different opinion based on personal experience which I choose not to discuss in further detail.
@ Lee:
I did try to make the 6 foot pyramid design a couple of years ago, following as best I could on the patent. As I already had the 6.5' foot copper tube pyramid, and made some coils for it. But, it is not an easy venture, as it requires tuning to resonance, and I for one did not have any results. That of course does not mean that it can't be done, but I would need to see a real working model with some real specific parts and instructions, to give it another go at it. ....
If you have any luck with it, please let us know, I'll be glad to get involved, as I am interested, but will not try again until there is more proof, and a true working model.
NZ
Jeanna:
If you have any pictures of that conical pancake coil, with the toroid on its back, that would be great to see.
Nick,@ jeanna
I am going to look for some still I might have made when I made that video, so I can show lee.
I want to describe what I saw, because it fits with the comments Peter Grandics made on the rex website article.
I made a conical shaped bifilar coil to append to the "secondary" of a joule thief circuit.
It is basically a pancake coil pulled down into a cone shape.
I connected the end of one wire to the beginning of the other wire as you do with a pancake coil.
I got low to moderate results.
But then, I put the toroid onto the tip of the cone and it took off.
So, when it was working it looked like the wardencliff tower in shape and proportions.
OK?
@ Lee:http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=9214.msg246822#new , Reply #3
Please check my earlier post made at the Magnetization Vector thread on OU, today, sort of fits in.
Jeanna:
Thanks for the picture, hard to see it though, main thing is that it works.
I have a question:
Do you think a big toroid coil (20 pounder),and with an upscaled JT type circuit, useing a 12v DC battery, and self charging, would produce ALOT more punch?
In other words what do you forsee is the maximum potecial of the JT? Can the possible union of the TPU- JT ever work out?
Or are we barking up the wrong tree? As it looks like the direction some people are going towards. Like me, maybe, but, I'm not just trying to light my Christmas Tree.
Pirate gave us his honest opinion, but I'd also like to hear yours. As I have some hope that there can be more to it, especially with a simple circuit that practicaly anybody can build.
Can there be more to a JT than just the changing of lower volts into higher voltage along with high frequency, but at the expence of current? Since it can be done with almost dead batteries.
So, where is the extra juice coming from? Who is doing the math? The above explanation doesn't seem to cover it.
-Joule Thief- implies that Joules are is being stolen, and, maybe, are being sucked-in out of thin air.
NZ
Try reading the previous 68 pages. Everything you want to know is there.
Bill
Jeanna:
It's good to hear that you think that the JT circuit is upscaleable. That was my point. Whether the energy comes from the remainder of used up battery or not, may not be that important ultimately, so long as power can be made, and a secondary attached.
IST has mentioned trying a JT connected to a single AAA battery, further hooked-up to a florescent ballast, then to a toroid. But there has been no video on that one yet.
I've noticed that there are several different sizes of ballasts, for 20 watt tubes, 40 watt, and so on. Sounds like an interesting next step, but I don't want to blow the transistors. He states to put a rectifier on the primary to harvest the higher voltage, off of that. Any ways, it all sounds good, but theres been no updates on that yet. And I don't know if anybody else has tried that yet.
I'll try a coil on top of my 6 foot copper pyramid one of these days, it would be important to know more about the whole circuit though.
NZ
Hi Nick,
I've noticed that there are several different sizes of ballasts, for 20 watt tubes, 40 watt,
.....
I'll try a coil on top of my 6 foot copper pyramid one of these days, it would be important to know more about the whole circuit though.
NZ
I have been told that the ballasts are all radioactive. It is this radioactivity that fires up the fluorescent bulb.