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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2009, 07:18:30 AM »
Hello all,

Yes Loner, some plastics can also do a great job in TPUs.

Otto

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2009, 02:58:50 PM »
Just 2 Cents.  Remember to "Forget" those "Lines of Force" patterns for magnetic fields.

They are NOT straight lines.  One must keep that in mind if using standard induction for
the TPU device....   (This seems to be ignored a lot, lately.)   That's the simplest way I
can direct some to the effects of metals AND wire layouts.   (Actually, not just metals...)

Not sure where "lines of force" was referenced in all of this.

As .99 poynted out, this isn't standard induction by a physical moving magnet or magnetic field created by current in a coil.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #32 on: January 15, 2009, 03:43:00 AM »
@All TPUers

Reading Poynt99s great doc prompted me to think this, i write it here just in case it may help, I´m not saying it´s a solid idea, just that it´s an idea:

When attempting replication of an SM style TPU, it might be worthwhile to wind a fourth control coil, but have this coil the same diameter as the collector coil and place it just above the collector coil in the same orientation as the collector coil. (Could explain OTPU config). It might also work if its circumference ran through the inside of the existing 3 control coils, resting right next to the collector but then maybe the close inductive coupling to the collector would dampen it too much and waste its energy in the collectors load?

As with the other coils make this 4th coil bifilar and tune it for max kick response using iron delay. This 4th coil would give height to the vortex, coaxing fresh aether into the circulation. Without it a vortex might not form but instead a stagnant rotating aether toroid.

This 4th control coil would need third harmonic kick freq. the other 3 coils at fundamental freq with 120 degree phasing. Just like spherics timing. SM could have established 120deg phasing by using delay networks on his master oscillator. The 4th vertical coil above the collector could then be timed by having each of the 3 horizontal coils powering through it as Poynt99 suggests.

I also think incredibly sharp and short pulses of high current to the kick coils may be key, so charged 400V low ESR electrolytic cap through very fast switch with saturatable reactor just before kick coil to get as fast a rise as possible.

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Has anyone tried to tune a bifilar kick coil using iron delay, and have they seen the mag field pulse be optimised this way when scoping a secondary pickup coil with resistive load attached?

I ask because I just got some nice thin iron wire for delay (flower wire) and plan to do this experiment with fast and sharp pulses of 64V to start with into a 50 turn aircore bifilar with a 50 turn pickup a few inches away wound on the same tubular form, it would be great to hear others methods and results in this area. Like how does the optimum mag flux kick come about when tuning, is it very peaky? Could it be missed by tuning the delay coil too coarsely?

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2009, 04:53:10 AM »
I tried the iron delay of several feet and trimmed it down without success.   I have a 200 foot spool now, but have not tried it again.  If just a delay is required then there are other ways to do that.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2009, 05:05:45 AM »
I tried the iron delay of several feet and trimmed it down without success.   I have a 200 foot spool now, but have not tried it again.  If just a delay is required then there are other ways to do that.

@Grumpy, Another quick question: what waveform type did you use to power the delayed bifilar in that experiment?

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #35 on: January 15, 2009, 06:39:16 AM »
I'll post it right now as a matter of fact:

Spherics:


My understanding is Steven Mark was developing his spherical 3d sound system. In general we can place the location of sound because of frequency shifting of moving sound; the doppler effect, the phase shifting of sound because a wave from a point source on your left side, has less distance to travel to your left ear than to travel to your right ear, sound attenuation and frequency suppression (apparently the sounds from different directions hit the ear and ear canal in different ways that cause certain bands of frequencies to be subtly suppressed - I don't confess to understand how it does this!).

Obviously ideas on faking 3D sound placement require electronics to subtly alter phasing etc. High quality voice coils on speakers can be wound in a bifilar fashion and can be considered aircore type coils. He noticed an unusual frequency peak in a spectrum anlyser when pulsing the bifilar with two similar waveforms... like many inventions start with the phrase 'that's really strange why did it do that'. An unusual freq. peak ON TOP of what was expected indicates some sort of incoming energy. The rest is how to utilise the effect to extract the energy in such a way that you can use some of the extracted energy to make the event that caused the initial energy bigger. i.e. A positive feedback loop.

Got to go!



More golden information! S is accurate in what he says there about the 3-D methodology.

I was going to save this for the document, but since sg brought it up here in S's message, I'll capitulate a little.

In the early to mid 1990's I was fascinated with and in development of my own 3-D sound system of sorts. In the end time and money was lacking so the project was not completed. In the process however, much was learned about this subject.

True 3-D from two speakers is a two-step process: 1) Eliminate the inter-aural (ear-to-ear) cross-talk, and 2) process the audio in the recording stage to include "spatial" information.

I suspect Steven's goal with his speaker research was to accomplish step 1). It is quite possible that his "Audio-Spatial Effects" patent was an attempt at step 2).

Dramatic results in the audio listening experience can be achieved even by step 1) alone. In order to cancel, eliminate, or minimize inter-aural cross-talk, trans-aural (across the head) correction is applied. When sound from the left speaker reaches the right ear, this is unwanted crosstalk, and in order to cancel it we apply an inverted, filtered (HRTF), and time-delayed version of the left speaker audio through the right speaker, so that the two sounds effectively cancel when they reach the right ear canal.

There are a few ways of accomplishing this and here is one from Polk Audio:
http://www.polkaudio.com/downloads/whitepapers/SDA_WhitePaper.pdf

I suspect what Steven was working on was a dual voice-coil, single driver version. One voice coil is used for normal channel audio, and the other is for the trans-aural corrected audio from the opposite channel.

In my document I outline a circuit and experiment to find the kick and/or comp field as best I currently understand them. What I did not mention is the suggestion to pulse the second coil in the pair not only in a delayed fashion, but also inverted 180º (switch the leads), even though spherics stated not to. It can not hurt to try both ways imho, because Steven likely did try it.

The delay time setting is based on the time required for sound to travel across the human face to reach the opposite ear. This inter-aural delay time equates typically to about 400us based on a nominal size head.

.99

Further 3-D Sound Reading:
http://profs.sci.univr.it/~dafx/Final-Papers/pdf/Jost-Jot2.pdf
http://www.google.com/patents?id=mMwOAAAAEBAJ&dq=6643375
http://www.google.com/patents?id=UOcOAAAAEBAJ&dq=6577736
http://www.media.mit.edu/~billg/docs/TR-342.ps.gz
http://books.google.com/books?id=h90HIV0uwVsC&pg=PA165&lpg=PA165&dq=distance++ears+transaural&source=bl&ots=diw9TIv6gX&sig=SoRhCPxS64jyYGclv9mbAqWko9Y&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA165,M1
http://homepage.mac.com/cooperbauck/cbpublications/documents/XTCwhitepaper.pdf
http://www.headwize.com/tech/sibbald_tech.htm

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #36 on: January 15, 2009, 10:23:01 AM »
Guys,

I'm lost.I can't follow that multi-pages extremely long threads about SM TPU, finally finding that no real good information is there. Why not put a sticky thread  to summarize all findings up today ? That way everybody could just realize if that topic is of some interest for them.

Reading all topics is mostly a waste of time.

My little small advice : drop all electronics, think about tips Steven Mark gave us. I see many fighting  with more and more complex oscillators trying to put 3 frequencies or harmonics into ring without results.

Ah...what a waste of time....  :-[

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #37 on: January 15, 2009, 02:42:49 PM »

The delay time setting is based on the time required for sound to travel across the human face to reach the opposite ear. This inter-aural delay time equates typically to about 400us based on a nominal size head.



Or the circumference of the TPU?

Great info .99
P.S.

My wife just pointed out that the delay for my head will probably be around 800us  ;D

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #38 on: January 15, 2009, 02:47:29 PM »
Don't waste your time please. If you had read Steven Mark tips carefully you would realize some similarities between TPU and cyclone.Check it.We are deceived about Coriolis force being not real obviously...

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #39 on: January 15, 2009, 02:58:35 PM »
@Grumpy, Another quick question: what waveform type did you use to power the delayed bifilar in that experiment?

square wave

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #40 on: January 15, 2009, 03:09:58 PM »
.99's doc list a quote from "S" that says the aether field spirals around the toroidal conductor and creates longitudinal waves along the conductor.

Clarification:

Induction by longitudinal waves is the "cold current".

Induction by the spirals is conventional current.

Much more to it than that, but that is the gist of it.

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Back to the question:

Answer: I think these are to be placed horizontally, with  their center coinciding with the center of the toroidal , or where the toroid would be located.  No length is given for the arcs, but I expect a difference in potential between top and bottom of the vortex.  As the vortex rotates, current is converted from the potential energy of the aether to kinetic energy in the conductor.  Remember from Wilbert Smith's work that a magnetic field is the curl of the tempic field and by rotating this field of aether, we just created a curl which is of course inductive.

Thank you Grumpy.

I will be compiling a list of user's insights etc. (such as this) that help answer some of the yet unanswered questions from spherics' posts for later thought and possible incorporation in the document.

.99

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #41 on: January 15, 2009, 04:43:55 PM »
Is anyone willing to show what real "kicks" look like on a scope?


Is anyone willing to provide details for the conversion process and experiments to produce this effect?
(just conversion, not magnification)


I'm thinking about it...

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #42 on: January 15, 2009, 04:53:33 PM »
Didn't we try that one already?
Nobody is paying attention and eventually your being accused for not sharing.
It seems this topic is running in a circle.
People come and people go asking the same questions over and over again.
There is no end to it.



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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #43 on: January 15, 2009, 05:06:24 PM »
Didn't we try that one already?
Nobody is paying attention and eventually your being accused for not sharing.
It seems this topic is running in a circle.
People come and people go asking the same questions over and over again.
There is no end to it.




Ha! Sure. Without a sticky page with a list of propositions and progresses nobody is willing to look at all posts. Single "The TPU uncovered" topic has 107 pages !

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #44 on: January 15, 2009, 05:38:17 PM »
Poynt99 is compiling the info into a single document - not all of the posts, just the pertinent details.

I asked about "kick" details just to see if anyone will up the ante.

Marco, you are correct, but Poynt99, Peterae, and a few others are actively experimenting.  Others are quietly in the background, but are still working.

I am debating with myself on wether it is safe to post details of conversion without details of magnification.  Tesla already detailed conversion very well - of course no one sees it as that, but his images of AC and DC devices utilizing spark gap conversion are just that.   If you can't get this far then magnification doesn't matter anyway and the tech is safe from those lacking the knowledge and skill.

The tetrahedral device must perform this conversion as well or it will not work, it just needs to be pointed out and explained, but only up to that point.  Magnification is another matter and where one get's into trouble.

Maybe I am just tired of the BS.