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Room3327

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #60 on: January 22, 2009, 06:20:56 PM »
Giant,
      You have a very impressive amount of knowledge and ability and I bow to that.  My thought on this though is that Tesla did not have the knowledge that you have had to draw upon i.e. modern day electrical engineering.  It would have been quite hard for Tesla to do the things you have done.  Just getting his hands on a signal generator much less a multichannel multiphase one would have sent him over the edge of happiness.  I believe it is concensus here that Steve Marks was duplicating Tesla's patent and considering his TPU looks exactly like the drawings in Tesla's patent it makes sense.  Now SM had access to much of our modern day electronics knowledge that Tesla did not.  Tesla used a rotary device to provide the drive to his 'System of electrical distribution'  that he called an exciter.  This device puts out 2 AC sine wave signals 90 degrees out of phase.  SM did not have to use this device in his time as the electronics to do the same thing existed by then and the audio world was a good place to find them.  I am only suggesting that maybe we should take a simpler look at how SM's TPU was built.  If the only stumbling block to what I am saying is that a static mag field in the core of an inductor will not induce a voltage but everything else is good we could just be missing 1 thing maybe that is not in the patent.
    Now I am going to suggest something and I may be wrong, but here goes. In an Inductor moving a magnet from one end of the core to the other will not induce a voltage as regardless of the movement the field is static in the core, it is not moving in and out against the coil wires to generate any voltage.   But in Tesla's patent he has broken the output up into 4 separate outputs.  Now if we apply a rotating magnetic field that has 2 rotating points of high magnetic intensity, as he has done, on opposite sides, these 2 points of hi. intens. now enter and leave the output coils completely, briefly delivering a pulse of power that would show itself as a pulse on top of any transformer action occurring, and very possibly the very kicks that SM talked about.  What about 3 output coils being used? I would have to assume that SM used 1 of the four output coils to feed back for operating it and the other 3 for output.  I may be way off base but at least it is another way of looking at this.  I never noticed SM having to shield his devices and he readily touched and picked them up. Just seems very different to me then what you are doing.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #61 on: January 22, 2009, 06:39:53 PM »
    If you have a generator and your prime mover goes way fast you increase the ouput of the generator and decrease the torque required to produce the same amount of ouput.  Now at some point your rotating magnetic field producer is gonna blow apart.  So the good ole boys said we can just increase the exciter flux and keep that rpm down and boost up that old torque requirement and sell us some coal.  I don't think this was Tesla's idea of efficiency.  How fast can a rotating magnetic field go before it blows apart?

  @GK

    Do you have the patent #for the one Tesla refers to his torroidal generator as "having an infinite # of commutator segments".  Preciate it if you can post it.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #62 on: January 22, 2009, 06:49:05 PM »
Sparks,
      I don't think GK is on line.  The patent # would be 381970.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #63 on: January 22, 2009, 08:43:59 PM »
   Thanks room 332

There was a patent after 381970 where there is no armature at all.  Tesla's and Steven Marks device are the only ones I have ever seen that used windings like that.  Alternators and electric motors all use their coils facing the rotor. I believe that this was done simply because that is the way dc motors were made.   I use to test ac motor stators for lamination integrity.  We would take a loop and wind it like the 381970 was wound.  Then we would hit it with highfrequency and monitor the waveform on an oscilliscope.  Any eddy currents where the laminations had shorted would show up on the scope as the magnetic field advanced around the stator not out through the airgap like nowadays induction motors.  The only motor that utilizes the bfield of a solenoid is a shaded pole motor.  This was produced because they are real easy to manufacture and wind.  The magnetism does advance through the core but again the rotor only sees a very slow magnetic field flux shift that is resisted by the air gap.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #64 on: January 22, 2009, 10:23:10 PM »
Sparks,
      There are 2 patents after this that show the same kind of device and winding #382282 and #390721.  # 382282 shows the same kind of device with a rotor at the center, that may be what you are referring to.  Sounds like it was a fun job.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #65 on: January 23, 2009, 01:51:54 AM »
  Thankyou I'm checking them out.   Tesla stated in one of his patents that it would be a good idea to wrap some iron wire around the whole deal also.  This is starting to sound like what they do with flybacktransformers.  They put steel on the outside of the copper too.  They also put breaks in the core to make sure that the magnetic domains don't get sticky and dump the polarization.  The rotating field cant rotate if you turn the ring into a speaker magnet.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #66 on: January 23, 2009, 01:57:48 AM »
@all

Try to check all of Tesla patent , most of the good stuff is on more then one patents, he patented parts that was easier to pass approval.

Try google patent, I my self saved all of them in a secure location, it a mater of time before they cut the access to the documents.There is also a list on keelynet.

Good luck!

Mark

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #67 on: January 23, 2009, 06:12:12 AM »
Hi, I am here. And yes those are the 2 patents.

In case some of you haven't read All I posted here goes. My first weeks in I went through Tesla's patents. When I saw the 381970 ring and the connections I dug further into how he made his core. Laminated iron. So that is where I started. I then printed all of his patents out and put the diagrams in front. I am visual. At the time I didn't realize the importance of what the action was.
I was heading towards the Very Large Array in Arizona, designing my controller on a laptop as a passenger thinking this was the most coolest thing that could be done. I was very wrong. I did get it simulated while on the road.
After we reached the VLA and got checked in my buddy asked me if I wanted to watch the movie Contact. Sure! Again.
When the movie got to the point of the transparent plates as a cube my jaw dropped in total ectasy. The patent diags hooked togther too. I was jumping around so bad they took me for beers, plural! Nobody knew what the hell I was jamming about.
I couldn't wait to get home. My living room was empty so I laid the floor with the patents like a huge jigsaw puzzle and I read.
The rest is history. This is the greatest adventure on the Earth. It goes infinitesimally small to infinitesimally large.

Youtube: electric universe, Walter Russell, John Keely SVP.
von Braun came to the U.S. to meet with Tesla then went back to Peenemunde.
Walter Russell and Sam Clemmons met with Nikola Tesla.
Stanley Meyer talks about his core in his video.

This rabbit hole goes very, very deep.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #68 on: January 23, 2009, 10:36:04 AM »
I don't understand all this secrecy...

Here is  Nikola Tesla  winding TPU : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a2/Ttesla.jpg

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #69 on: January 23, 2009, 04:30:47 PM »
       In the 382280 patent  the last portion says that we don't want any induction currents going on between windings so that it works by dynamo (dc) currents.

    This is rather peculiar.  He wants to make sure that there are no induced currents yet he is transforming ac.   (more like running a magnetic wave accelerator)    What Tesla understood and utilized many many times is that in a solenoid winding the magnetic field compression moves through space.  It does not arise at all points in the interior of the solenoid instantaneously.  You will notice that his high frequency transformers use a primary wrapped around just a few turns of his secondary.  Because he wants the magnetic compression to TRAVEL through the core.  It's like moving a horseshoe magnet perpendicular to a wire at a very very high speed.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #70 on: January 23, 2009, 04:41:10 PM »
In the particular Tesla Patent 381,970 on page two line 30 he is referring to two applications having "Serial No" (does he mean patent no.) 252,132 and 256,561. What is he talking about ?????????? I have never seen such a patent number from Tesla.

If you read the patent very carefully he is revealing much to the reader. He is using what we would  consider a secondary as the primary. Then on the primary (that we would cinsder to be a secondary) as outputs, he is using two in parallel to go to one load and two inseries to go to the other load. This provides him with two distinct output levels to drive differing loads, all from the same supply.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #71 on: January 23, 2009, 05:18:18 PM »
   The real important stuff is that he uses an exciter mechanically driven generator.
He dumps this into the main generator where he produces a magnetic field rotation like spinning the rotor of an alternator up to 10,s of thousands of rpms   Then quite explicitly he tells us that if the rotor inside this spinning field is allowed to turn with the speed of the rotating magnetic field we got no output.  If we brake the rotor we get some ouput.  If we drive the rotor in opposition to the rotating magnetic field we get more output.  The exciter does not load up when he gets his ouput. 

   A saturable core inductor amplifying and rectifying the ac pulses from the exciter.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #72 on: January 23, 2009, 05:31:24 PM »
In the particular Tesla Patent 381,970 on page two line 30 he is referring to two applications having "Serial No" (does he mean patent no.) 252,132 and 256,561. What is he talking about ?????????? I have never seen such a patent number from Tesla.

If you read the patent very carefully he is revealing much to the reader. He is using what we would  consider a secondary as the primary. Then on the primary (that we would cinsder to be a secondary) as outputs, he is using two in parallel to go to one load and two inseries to go to the other load. This provides him with two distinct output levels to drive differing loads, all from the same supply.

How about 2 pairs of frequencies surrounding the 4x harmonic of C2 from Keely's work. They did talk to each other. The coil has 4 segments and the pairs are bucking. Very versatile device.

--giantkiller.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2009, 06:01:08 PM by giantkiller »

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #73 on: January 23, 2009, 06:19:27 PM »
I don't understand all this secrecy...

Here is  Nikola Tesla  winding TPU : http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a2/Ttesla.jpg

There is a whole 'nother universe behind this. Keely's charts have the same designs as most Crop circles. Does any one see this?
This is all tied together, very completely.

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Re: Towards Realizing the TPU
« Reply #74 on: January 23, 2009, 06:34:42 PM »
@ All,
       Thank you, this is the conversation I was trying to get started here.  GK- yes Tesla does state thin steel (lamination's).  He says thin strips, plates or wire of soft iron.  Soft iron wire being what SM probably used to begin with, I believe he states that himself in one of his video's.    It sounds to me like Tesla is trying to minimize any inductive transformer action and utilize the rotating field as the primary generating action.  He makes clear that any variation of the intensity of the rotating poles will set up other currents in the output coils that will effect efficiency.  He says care needs to be taken in designing and proportioning the generator and in distributing the coils in the ring.  I think maybe the generator has a large diameter in relation to it's thickness to lessen any magnetic field interaction on the far side of the coil from the rotating high intensity point.  I believe the object here is to get this device to work like a rotating magnetic dynamo and minimally as a transformer.