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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2007, 12:35:39 AM »
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« Last Edit: November 07, 2007, 07:49:05 PM by kames »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #45 on: November 05, 2007, 12:35:39 AM »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #46 on: November 05, 2007, 12:45:37 AM »
Hi Kames,
what I see in the new video is nothing more than
like kicking a football away with your leg.

If you have your leg in front of you and the ball leans
against ist via gravity then  the ball is maybe only 50 cm away from your body,
but when the ball lays in front of you and you put your leg straight
in front of you with force you will kick the ball much further away....


Hi Stefan,

You still don?t realize that you are talking about a ?short? kick. I am talking about the fast sent off and continuous force applied. That is a huge difference and has nothing to do with the ball you are talking about. I am really surprised how the obvious might so be obfuscated. I am sorry but I don?t see how to apply your thoughts to what I have shown at all. What I have shown and you said are two completely different things.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #47 on: November 05, 2007, 02:53:15 AM »
@All

Let me put it this way. This thread name is SINGLE WIRE TESTS. This is a beautiful name and should be followed by. No god, no bible, no lols, no spiritual energy, no exotic theories, no your private animated giffs taking a lot of cpu usage over nothing or any other crap, only practical tests and/or theories with open eyes, if you don?t want to lose people again with ?world wide politics?. I won?t be responding to any question that was already answered or shown as obvious. I respect my own time. Please open your eyes and watch again, read again and watch again. Anybody disagrees, fine, have you opinion.
When I said that I wouldn?t post the idea of the circuit for now is because if it is successful it might lead to the direct tpu implementation. I might have a complete failure with my further tests as it happened many times but I won?t rely on any stupid assumption asking people to follow me only because I have some ?overheating? and spiritual particles flying all around me. If I have any further good results or ideas, I might post it. I am not saying I won?t be participating in discussions, just won?t spend my time on any further negligence.

@duff,

I would encourage you to follow your tests. It doesn?t matter if the effect is well known or not. You never know what you can find out. I suggest, read as much as possible from this forum, especially some engineering reports. One of them has a clue (however, not the key).

Regards,

Kames.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2007, 03:30:04 AM by kames »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #48 on: November 05, 2007, 05:00:37 PM »
Most people in these T.P.U. threads seem to have accepted as fact that an electrical kick is the starting point for understanding the T.P.U. I believe SM's kick is a mechanical kick and power is generated within the T.P.U. by the resonant vibration of hundreds or thousands of wires within an electrostatic or electromagnetic field. We are overly complicating something which is actually very simple.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #49 on: November 05, 2007, 05:21:10 PM »
@All

Just notice one more important piece of information in the second video. The wire is moving along the magnet, correct. At the same time the wire is attracted to the magnet, ie, the magnet is pulling the wire all the time down and a little back. That is how I have chosen the polarities of the magnet and current. In other words, the magnet is trying to prevent any deviation in a much stronger way than it was in the first video. However, the result is even better.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #50 on: November 05, 2007, 09:00:41 PM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #51 on: November 05, 2007, 09:40:15 PM »
Hi Duff,
depends on how much current you draw on the MOSFET.
If you don?t use such a big capacitor and calculate in the voltage of the cap and the
energy in the first few mikroseconds with the On-Resistance of the
MOSFET and the wire you could see, how much current it will draw there.
You also need a very big current driver for a MOSFET to switch it
very fast as MOSFET gates could have capacitances in the several hundred pF to nF range !

Good luck.

Regards, Stefan.

P.S: Kames,I still think you are kicking away your wire from the permanent magnet.
If you turn your field on and let it on, this is just a kick to accelerate the wire away
in the first few milliseconds, until a contanst force willjust repell it...

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #52 on: November 05, 2007, 09:56:56 PM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #53 on: November 06, 2007, 02:14:51 AM »
P.S: Kames,I still think you are kicking away your wire from the permanent magnet.
If you turn your field on and let it on, this is just a kick to accelerate the wire away
in the first few milliseconds, until a contanst force willjust repell it...


Hi Stefan,

Hopefully no more gods at least in one thread.
Obviously, when the wire is idling and then starts moving there is acceleration. However, you forgot about a resistor. I did say that a resistor multiple orders exceeds impedance of the wire. What happens with the voltage on the wire only and with the current through the circuit? There is a ?kick? in voltage on the wire. There is NO KICK (except for time == 0 and current ALSO == 0, what kind of kick is it??? ) in the current if the resistor exceeds the impedance of the wire by at least 2x3.14159268 (still remember this number). If you look at the oscilloscope, the current is rising smoothly, without any picks, such as ringing. The acceleration you are talking about would be the second differential of the current, not voltage. The very (smaller part) beginning of the current curve will show a positive acceleration. The second half of the curve, while the current is still rising, will show a negative acceleration. The rest of the curve has only negative or zero acceleration. Doesn?t look like there is a space for the kick. Even so, if there were a kick, the kick is a potential energy applied at time == 0. The mechanical movement is the real energy. How does hell in the world the potential energy result in the additional mechanical movement without seeing energy spent (like a current ?kick?) from the battery?
Let?s say you are right. What/who did spend energy on the additional movement? Don?t forget, the difference is huge and nothing on the oscilloscope.

Regards,

Kames.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #54 on: November 06, 2007, 02:49:38 AM »
Hi Stefan,

To my post above. Jumping a little ahead. I do have two theories for now. One of them is directly connected with what SM said.
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In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source. He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other. I tried it and he is right!

Another one was a question in my exam in the university. ?Under what conditions the electron can have a negative mass??
Note: not weight, not charge, not speed but mass. The electron mass can vary.

Both ideas are extremely speculative and that is why I am not discussing them.

Regards,

Kames.

PS: I guess I said more than I wanted for now.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2007, 04:55:00 AM by kames »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #55 on: November 06, 2007, 03:25:44 PM »

Hi Jacob,

Talking about the current stopping before it reaches the end of the wire is not a secret at all. Good luck to implement it. It is not the only and the major condition Tesla was talking about. Tao, in my opinion, as far from the truth as anybody else. Believe it or not I have read and reading every single post in this forum and aware of every single thought or attachment in this forum.

Kames.


Kames,

If you read those posts, and I have no reason to doubt that you really did, then you have to read them again. Because stopping the current flow before it reaches the end is not what the "secret" was about. 

Of course it's ok to doubt that Tao is far off, but that is exactly where it will lead you: far off. Because his theory is extremely close to reality. It's just that it is missing a vital ingredient. As far as I can remember, SM only mentionned twice that someone was right on, and the first time he used this expression is when Tao explained his theory.

And you can also hold the belief that everybody else is "far off", but I assure you that  some people on this forum know very well how the TPU operates, and how to build one.

The fact that you are experimenting with a single wire to find out what the kick is about is great. That is indeed the starting point. However, there are 2 problems with your experiments. First, the kick happens much to quickly for the kind of setup you have. Secondly, the kick has already been recorded on scope and published on this site in a pdf document. Incredibly enough, it went totally unnoticed.

I told you: data mining is the way to go. All the answers are here already. Along with some far off theories...

Regards,

Jacob

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #56 on: November 06, 2007, 03:44:38 PM »
In that book it is related that Tesla states that you can have all kinds of electrons flowing through a wire traveling in different directions relating only to their potential power source. He even said that you could have different electron flows through a single wire completely separate from each other. I tried it and he is right!

When you electrostatically induce a current in a wire, it can flow in both directions away from the middle of the wire.  This was first analyzed in long telegraph lines by J. J. Carty and William Thomson (Lord Kelvin) and shown to be an ES phenomenon and not EM.  This effect also is attributed to unusual propagation delays.  This led to development of the "twisted pair" to eliminate the ES problem.  So, twisted pair wire for a TPU probably doesn't work well.

By the way, Dolbear's electrostatic telephone is pretty cool and worth a look.


If you read those posts, and I have no reason to doubt that you really did, then you have to read them again. Because stopping the current flow before it reaches the end is not what the "secret" was about. 

Tao has mentioned that he believes the reference by SM to the "secret" was the reference to "capacitor discharge" rather than stopping current.

And you can also hold the belief that everybody else is "far off", but I assure you that  some people on this forum know very well how the TPU operates, and how to build one.

How very intuitive of you, Jacob.


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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #57 on: November 06, 2007, 04:47:53 PM »

Tao has mentioned that he believes the reference by SM to the "secret" was the reference to "capacitor discharge" rather than stopping current.


Yes, that's more like it.

Jacob

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #58 on: November 06, 2007, 05:17:52 PM »
The "capacitor discharge" is also correlated to SM's references to "shock waves", faster than light electrons, etc.

I beleive SM is alluding to the very interesting "thing" that screams down the wire ahead of electromagnetic energy.  I think somone once referred to this "thing" as a "true electric current".

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