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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #30 on: November 02, 2007, 11:53:11 PM »
Hi Kames,
where is any magnet in this setup ?
In the swing ?
Did you wind the wire around the magnet ?


Please explain in detail.
Did the swing go more out when using more current ?
Then it is probably an effect of repelling the wires which hold
the swing.
As these wires are flexible and also carry a high current the magnet in the swing ?
will repell the holding wires, so the total swing goes out to one side....
Is this  correct ?

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #31 on: November 03, 2007, 03:33:33 AM »
Hi Stefan,

Attaching high-resolution pictures. I hope it can clear up confusion.
In the drawing you can see the semantics of the assembly. It is like a swing. Don?t pay much attention to the 555 timer and resistors. That was the very first test and I didn?t record any video of it. You can use a manual switch and a different resistor. However, the result was the same. In my original video post I specified all the data, voltage, resistors?
In the picture, you can see the magnets and a sharper stick. A short thick horizontal piece of wire is suspended on relatively thin wire threads. Two vertical thick copper wires are used to supply a DC current pulse to the short horizontal piece of wire through two other vertical thin threads. Like a swing. When I turn on the current the horizontal piece of wire is repelled from the magnet farther than when it calms down, while the current is STILL flowing through the wire.
Don?t pay attention to the diodes you see. I just didn?t have anything more convenient to fix the wires on, which is why I used a circuit from another test to fix the wires on.

To answer you other questions.

>>>> Did the swing go more out when using more current ? >>>>
Yes. When the current is increased the wire is repelled farther from the magnets and the deviation is higher as well. This is nothing unusual. The difference between a point of equilibrium and a max deviation (in %) decreases with decreasing the current. Two vertical thin wire threads working as a little spring (and swing) can explain this.

>>>>> Then it is probably an effect of repelling the wires, which hold
the swing.>>>>
Not only. It is also happening in case of attraction. You can try it. When I change the direction of the current the wire sticks to the magnet and it is very difficult to find a point where the wire shows the same affect and still not reaching the magnet and doesn?t stick to it. It is simply a mechanical difficulty in my simple test.

>>>> As these wires are flexible and also carry a high current the magnet in the swing ? >>>>
Yes. Two vertical thin wires are flexible enough and still can easily carry current up to 5 A.

>>>> will repel the holding wires, so the total swing goes out to one side....>>>>
Yes.

Again. It doesn?t matter at all what wires are getting in more interaction with the magnet, vertical, horizontal or something else. The point is that the max distance of the swing from the magnet at the moment when the current just starts flowing SHOULD NEVER exceed the point where the swing stops (calms down) WHILE the current is STILL flowing.

Kames.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #32 on: November 03, 2007, 08:25:26 AM »


Again. It doesn?t matter at all what wires are getting in more interaction with the magnet, vertical, horizontal or something else. The point is that the max distance of the swing from the magnet at the moment when the current just starts flowing SHOULD NEVER exceed the point where the swing stops (calms down) WHILE the current is STILL flowing.

Kames.


Hi Kames, thanks for the info.
But I guess it is just the same as kicking a football away...
Asthe magnet already has its field always there and when you energize
the wire, the forces are very big and so the wirejust accelerates away and
flies off.
But it is a different distance, if both repell forces just sit there and repell
each other. That way the wire will not be so far away as there was no acceleration.

Pretty logical, or did I miss again something ?

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #33 on: November 03, 2007, 05:33:30 PM »
Hi Stefan,

Yes, you did miss something again  ;) Neither of the piece of the physical matter, wire, football ball? can go beyond a point than a potential energy was put in. In my test it does. Potential energy is the current I put into the wire. Kinetic energy out is the physical movement of the wire. It moves beyond the point/level of the potential energy I put into it.

Note: the wire is connected in series with a resistor, which impedance is by several orders greater than the impedance of the wire itself. Think about it.

By the way. When I said that I think I found a way of measuring the energy by electrical means (not only physical movement) in my test, I just recalled what SM said:
??We are just talking about a straight piece of wire, some electrons and a method of measuring what comes out of it??

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2007, 11:41:10 PM »
Hmm,
I had another look again at your video.
Well I think these are 2 different things.

If the swing comes back on stays in the air at a distance ,
the gravity pull force and the magnetic repell force are just equal.
But this is at a lower height, than when the swing was accelerated
and went out...
I think you compare here "apples with oranges" as to speak so...
Surely if you kick the swing away, it will go further out than the above case,
when the gravity pull force and the magnetic repell force are just equal
and its stays elongated out..

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #35 on: November 04, 2007, 12:49:05 PM »
Hi Stefan,

Did you know that you are picky?  ;D That is okay.
I am talking about 30% difference. You are talking about a few mm in height. I am saying that the current is still flowing through the wire. I am saying the same happens in attraction mode. The reaction of this little mechanical setup is billion times slower as much than the gravitational force. What you are saying is not explaining passing a point of equilibrium because of the difference in reaction between a mechanical system and a gravitation force, short vertical (and not elastic) vertical threads of the swing. What you saying was already discussed with my friend (professor in physics) before I posted it for the very first time. I did mention it before, did I?
I am sorry. Think again. I just don?t buy what you are saying.
By the way. In repelling mode, there is no acceleration, it is deceleration with initial potential energy put in, which is applied all the time along (which means I don?t kick my swing, I push it with strong start off and the constant force all the way decelerating because of the distance, do you see the difference?) and still bounds the swing to the magnetic field. Think about it too.

Kames.
« Last Edit: November 04, 2007, 01:11:13 PM by kames »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #36 on: November 04, 2007, 02:44:32 PM »
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« Last Edit: November 06, 2007, 05:12:23 PM by duff »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #37 on: November 04, 2007, 03:25:50 PM »
Guys,

This is a very simple experiment!

The questions here indicate that the whole thing is being made out to be more complicated than it really is.

Watch the video! Watch it again and again until it "clicks". I watched it several times until I understood what was happening.

Did I mention WATCH THE VIDEO?

If not, watch the video ;)

Cheers.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #38 on: November 04, 2007, 04:23:44 PM »
I personally DO NOT believe SM.  No one else should either.



Learning to differentiate between true and false is a basic skill that we all need to develop. Since you still haven't done so, it is imperative that you begin to work on it ASAP. The way to do it is up to you, but the bible is a great place to start.

Free energy is worthwile quest, but in the end, synergy with the universe is even more important.

Thanks to SM for introducing us to this amazing technology and for giving us the knowledge and understanding necessary to validate his claims and replicate his work. The only remaining question is: what do we do with it? The planet needs it badly, but its inhabitants may not be ready for it yet...

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #39 on: November 04, 2007, 07:16:02 PM »
@all

There was a very good suggestion to put the magnet under the swing. I just did it. It seems the result is even better. I will try to record the video and post it today.

>>>>>> Removed in favor of this thread.


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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2007, 07:32:06 PM »
@ Kames

My point was simply that anyone who watch the SM videos, read what he said, and still think that the guy is lying, need to go back to basics. SM is truthful and the TPU is for real.

Really, the most important question is not: how does it work? That question has been answered several times in the past. But rather: how should we handle this technology? What should we do with it?  Keep it secret? Reveal it to the world? Maybe there ought to be a thread about this...

Regards,

Jacob

P.S.: I also drink beer   ;)

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #41 on: November 04, 2007, 08:27:57 PM »
Removed in favor of this thread.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2007, 06:48:01 PM by kames »

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« Reply #42 on: November 04, 2007, 10:48:18 PM »
@Kames

You are right: no working TPU has not been publicly disclosed. Neither has step by step instructions explaining exactly how to build the device been published yet.

What I am saying is that all the answers are already available. However they are being overlooked. For instance, SM once said about a post by Tao: "This guy has the secret." Therefore, this is a piece of the puzzle right there. And the others pieces can be all found amoung the thousands of posts and attachements that are available to everyone on this site. So maybe its time for some data mining...

Regards,

Jacob

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #43 on: November 05, 2007, 12:12:50 AM »
Hi Guys,

Attaching the new video with a magnet under the swing. The distance between the idle point and the equilibrium point is 2.5cm/1.1 inch precisely. The max movement is 4.8cm/1.8 inch. The deviation is 4.8 ? 2.5 = 2.3 inch. Which means the deviation is about 52%. Compare it with the pervious result. This time the test is more like a normal electrical motor. All the rest is the same as in the original video, resistors, battery, and even home temperature? I do realize that in the video it is not that clear but I did try my best. I did record 3 videos, one is better than another for different views. I did try to move the magnet back and force relative to the swing, the result is the same.
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #44 on: November 05, 2007, 12:35:19 AM »
Hi Kames,
what I see in the new video is nothing more than
like kicking a football away with your leg.

If you have your leg in front of you and the ball leans
against ist via gravity then  the ball is maybe only 50 cm away from your body,
but when the ball lays in front of you and you put your leg straight
in front of you with force you will kick the ball much further away....

 

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