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Offline BEP

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #120 on: January 22, 2008, 05:31:20 AM »
@Hans

I think Marco is right in more than one way.

Even with the tank emptied you have connected the two batteries directly to each other. You could still put LEDs in to stop this.

Anyway, I see your point and the idea seems valid but I have one question that bugs me every time I read a 'disassociation' thread. Why do people put electrolyte in the water? And why are they trying to make the water more conductive?
That seems to me to be the exact opposite of what is needed. Your trying to split the molecules not make them dance.

Sorry, that belongs on some other thread.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #121 on: January 22, 2008, 06:55:21 AM »

Yes they were all current limited for circuit protection.  My partner built the three of them (he has three) from kits.  I will have to find out what type, or he can post it here. 


The function generators used were Canakit CK307.  Here is a link to them, but this supplier was very slow in shipping them.
http://www.gibsonteched.com/ck307.html

Kent

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #122 on: January 22, 2008, 09:38:58 AM »
OK fixed it

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #122 on: January 22, 2008, 09:38:58 AM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #123 on: January 22, 2008, 10:31:33 AM »
Hi All,

Just wound a tapped coil to play with. Will also make one with some iron wire to see if there are any interesting differences.

God Bless,
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #124 on: January 22, 2008, 09:17:03 PM »
Hi jason
that looks suspicious and awesome!  :)
how many sources are you planning to use?
also tubes or transistors?
i am intrested in your test results.

@ Hans von Lieven

if you want the experiment to be the equivilant of the one wire experiment, the electrodes should have more then one (spaced) "tap points" on them and this means current is flowing in both directions in the same electrode...

the setup as you draw it is not really similar as all the wires are connected to the same points on top of the electrodes.

Marco.

Hi All,

Just wound a tapped coil to play with. Will also make one with some iron wire to see if there are any interesting differences.

God Bless,
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #124 on: January 22, 2008, 09:17:03 PM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #125 on: January 22, 2008, 09:27:57 PM »
G'day Marko,

The electrodes in this set up simply act as terminal posts. The idea is for the electrolyte to become the equivalent of your single wire.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #126 on: January 22, 2008, 09:47:18 PM »
G'day Marko,

The electrodes in this set up simply act as terminal posts. The idea is for the electrolyte to become the equivalent of your single wire.

Hans von Lieven

Hi Hans
the single wire experiment was about one wire with 4 connections.
in one end of the wire the electrons are running from left to right and in the other end (area) of the same wire the electrons are running in opposite direction,from right to left.

the two seperate flows do not cross each other.
if they would cross it will result in the classical series or paralell switched circuitry as we know it today.

in your setup the both sources are connected to each other on two the same poles.
in the single wire experiment the two circuits use one area of the same wire without affecting each other.
they simply "share" some of the same wire without them being closed looped to each other.

Marco.



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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #127 on: January 22, 2008, 09:57:51 PM »
I see Marko,

We are talking here at crossed purposes. There were two experiments by Rosphere, The first one is the one you are talking about where each circuit had its own section of the single wire.

In the second experiment he used the whole wire for both circuits. This is the one that fascinates me, because I think this area has never been fully investigated, simply because early experimenters had no access to diodes or LED's.

In my view some really interesting new phenomena will crop up.

This is the experiment I am referring to:

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=3547.0;attach=16650;image)

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #128 on: January 22, 2008, 10:11:33 PM »
ah , i see
now i understand.
the lightbulbs in the experiment were 12 volt halogen bulbs not LED's.
but there are many things to try  :)
in the experiment Rosphere showed, the wire in between virtually not exists.
but i can be wrong, if we do not keep on trying things, we will never find new phenomena.
so all i have to say is....fire up the jars  ;D

M.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #129 on: January 23, 2008, 12:50:52 AM »
In the second experiment he used the whole wire for both circuits. This is the one that fascinates me, because I think this area has never been fully investigated, simply because early experimenters had no access to diodes or LED's.

In my view some really interesting new phenomena will crop up.

I used what I had on hand; substituting LEDs for bulbs, (and weak 9Vs.)  So, there is an additional diode effect that marco did not intend in his circuit that, perhaps, allowed me to use the whole wire length.  I sure would appreciate it if someone, with 9V rated bulbs and fresh batteries, could retry this.

in the experiment Rosphere showed, the wire in between virtually not exists.

Yep.  I called it a, "common ground."

Yet, when you think about current flow in the way that we have all been formally taught and trace the two paths in your mind, you must conclude that I have doubled the 'bandwidth' of my single wire.  :D

Further, we are taught in school that 'electrons' flow one way while 'electron holes' flow in the opposite direction.  So, there are actually four streams passing through the single wire.

Oh, I forgot to post my results of a further test of this experiment.  The single wire appears to generate no magnetic field.  (But I think I need to redo this test because I used stronger batteries and no LEDs or bulbs.)

EDIT: I redid this test exactly as before.  Then I removed the 'wire' and the LEDs still glowed.  Well, no 5h!+; it is just a one loop circuit with two batteries and two diodes.  Ugh, I felt like removing all of my posts from this topic so as not to confuse or excite anyone else. :-[

Then, I replaced the 'wire' and noticed the following:  Since no two used 9Vs are the same, one of the LED's was glowing slightly brighter than the other.  I replaced the 'wire' and the opposite LED glowed brighter.  I repeated this several times and it happened every time.  So, there may still something going on here.  I am not sure what.  So, I will leave my posts intact.
« Last Edit: January 23, 2008, 02:45:46 AM by Rosphere »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #130 on: January 23, 2008, 03:05:47 AM »
I replaced the 'wire' and the opposite LED glowed brighter.  I repeated this several times and it happened every time. 

When the unexpected LED was brighter did you see if that magnetic field was weaker or gone?

If there is current flow there must be a magnetic field, right?

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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #131 on: January 23, 2008, 03:36:03 AM »

Oh, I forgot to post my results of a further test of this experiment.  The single wire appears to generate no magnetic field.  (But I think I need to redo this test because I used stronger batteries and no LEDs or bulbs.)

G'day Rosphere,

This is exactly what I would have suspected.

By having two opposing currents going down the same wire you have effectively created bi-filar behaviour in a single conductor.

This needs a lot of further investigation, what you have discovered here is not in the standard textbooks. I think it has implications right down the line.

At the risk of making a complete and utter goose of myself I would say that you have created something akin to what Keely calls a "Neutral Centre". This neutral centre, according to Keely, is the key to limitless energy.

This research you guys are doing transcends by a long shot the parameters of this thread. I leave it up to you to follow up or to relegate this thing to a new thread.

I am happy to start one if you wish, my personal feeling is to keep it here.

Hans von Lieven


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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #132 on: January 23, 2008, 01:16:42 PM »
You know, I was thinking about all of the SM clues, about rotation.  We know there is a gyroscopic effect caused by rotation in two directions.  For some time, we thought perhaps the top and bottom are pulsed in one direction and the middle pulsed in the other.  We even looked at video, where SM motions both directions in one of the tapes.

BUT... what if, SM discovered that the way to "disable the EFFECTS of the flux, so that now the electrons float freely" was as simple as sending the identical frequencies in opposite directions?  One power source sends them all clockwise and another oscillator and power source (two batteries) sends identical signals counterclockwise?  This would give you the counter rotating fields, and (perhaps, needs more testing) this is how SM disabled the effects of the flux?

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« Reply #133 on: January 23, 2008, 01:21:17 PM »
It is in the books but it is part of that one-size-fits-all EM theory that we all suffer from.

The U.S. National Electric Code allows for the use of a much smaller neutral point in three phase systems. Why ? - because a balanced load causes lower amperage in the neutral than the phases. Sometimes it is not even there. The single phase loads are there. Where did the amps go? Everybody does it but noone asks.

The answer is usually a busy depiction of vector phase relationships. I say, OK. Now why am I seeing 65 VDC between the generator shaft and ground? The generator is polyphase AC. The answer is - fix that! that can cause problems.

I think if you displace/remove/compress - whatever - the magnetic field the dielectric field fills in the void. Radiant energy is DC (avoiding the fact that DC doesn't really exist). It either radiates or it doesn't.

So that one little wire test is key to understanding cancellation of fields, the DC portion, increase is speed and possibly rotation of fields and gain?

BEP


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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #134 on: January 23, 2008, 05:28:26 PM »
Hi jason
that looks suspicious and awesome!  :)
how many sources are you planning to use?
also tubes or transistors?
i am intrested in your test results.

Hi Marco,

I am going to wind the iron coil and then wait for a bit. Yes I will be driving with tubes because Steven was trying to get us to see some thing about tubes that we all have been ignoring. I have a set of 12J5 triodes that I am going to build a three-channel amplifier with to pulse the stew out of this coil when it's finished. But for now, I'm waiting for some tube sockets to come in :).

God Bless,
Jason O

 

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