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Offline acerzw

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #15 on: November 01, 2007, 01:33:26 PM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2007, 08:00:25 PM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #17 on: November 01, 2007, 11:46:07 PM »
Excelent to see someone doing these basic tests.

You should try some Aluminum wire as well. You can get cheap Al wire with an insulating andized coating as "Bonzi wire". See the links I have posted here http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,3544.new.html#new

cheers

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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #18 on: November 02, 2007, 01:17:42 AM »
Hi Duff,
very interesting your last scopeshots.

Hmm, I would say, as both of your scope channels
are in parallel just seperated by the 2 switches, that
we have here some kind of  bouncing artifact
with a damped LC circuit.
As the wire is also a very low inductance coil
it would have a damped oscillation with the capacitor.
But now you have to count in the the switch resistances and
the bouncing of the contact points, so
you see these strange pulses.
Maybe you also have a small  arc between the contact points.
so you have a small negative partial resistance, so it is no wonder
the waveform does not look like a damped sine wave, but an amplified
spike.

It would be really interesting to see, how it looks
with a MOSFET switch or a gas filled mechanical tube switch
or a old triode valve.

Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #19 on: November 02, 2007, 01:21:51 AM »
P.S: Duff,
maybe you should also only use 1 toggle switch,
not 2, as this gets you more contact point bouncing...

In your circuit it would also work with just one toggle switch.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #20 on: November 02, 2007, 03:09:17 AM »
@duff

The effect you are seeing with iron wire is well known. This effect occurs in soft metals. I don?t remember how it is called and lazy to search for it. It is connected with hysteresis loop in soft metals. If you like, you can search for it.

Some time ago, I have posted a video with a test pulsing a piece of wire and showing an additional mechanical energy generated. You can read it here - http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg32913.html#msg32913
Unfortunately there was not much attention to it. I have built 6 tpus with different configuration and probably another 100 small coil tests and finally came back to a simple wire test and still working on it.
Just a couple of days ago, I have finally come up with an idea of extracting electrical energy from my video test, if there is such, exposed as an electrical current. For now I am not going to post it here, sorry, maybe latter.

Kames.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #21 on: November 02, 2007, 08:59:05 AM »
@ duff

what might happin if you use the triode tube as an amp after you discharge the cap???

and amplifly the kick??? with the tube

hummm

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #22 on: November 02, 2007, 09:38:38 AM »
@duff

The effect you are seeing with iron wire is well known. This effect occurs in soft metals. I don?t remember how it is called and lazy to search for it. It is connected with hysteresis loop in soft metals. If you like, you can search for it.

Some time ago, I have posted a video with a test pulsing a piece of wire and showing an additional mechanical energy generated. You can read it here - http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg32913.html#msg32913
Unfortunately there was not much attention to it. I have built 6 tpus with different configuration and probably another 100 small coil tests and finally came back to a simple wire test and still working on it.
Just a couple of days ago, I have finally come up with an idea of extracting electrical energy from my video test, if there is such, exposed as an electrical current. For now I am not going to post it here, sorry, maybe latter.

Kames.


Kames, I had a look at the video.

Seems the wire is attracted to the metal piece, cause the energized wire
produces a magnet field , so it is attracted by the iron metal sharper piece...

So just normal "electromagnet" to iron attraction..

Or did I miss something ?
Thanks.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #23 on: November 02, 2007, 09:49:23 AM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #24 on: November 02, 2007, 12:23:26 PM »
@Mark
I ordered some of the Al wire with an insulating andized coating. It should be here early next week.
Do you think there is something siginificant about that type of wire?

Aluminium has some interesting paramagnetic properties that make it worth testing.

You really should add an Alnico magnet to the list. Alnico rods are availble from
http://www.magnetsource.com/Solutions_Pages/RODSalnico.html  and
http://www.allmagnetics.com/alnicorods.htm

I would suggest getting a 6" x 1/8" dia rod for testing. The readily availble grade is the cast  Alnico 5 -- this is what you want.

The mix of Al, Ni and Fe make this a candidate for interesting results.

cheers

mark.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2007, 02:11:35 PM »
@ mark

there many things that can make a nice or a great mix  :)

so the kick
i think the kick mainly happins inside of a transformer

no?

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2007, 04:01:41 PM »
@duff

The effect you are seeing with iron wire is well known. This effect occurs in soft metals. I don?t remember how it is called and lazy to search for it. It is connected with hysteresis loop in soft metals. If you like, you can search for it.

Some time ago, I have posted a video with a test pulsing a piece of wire and showing an additional mechanical energy generated. You can read it here - http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg32913.html#msg32913
Unfortunately there was not much attention to it. I have built 6 tpus with different configuration and probably another 100 small coil tests and finally came back to a simple wire test and still working on it.
Just a couple of days ago, I have finally come up with an idea of extracting electrical energy from my video test, if there is such, exposed as an electrical current. For now I am not going to post it here, sorry, maybe latter.

Kames.


Kames, I had a look at the video.

Seems the wire is attracted to the metal piece, cause the energized wire
produces a magnet field , so it is attracted by the iron metal sharper piece...

So just normal "electromagnet" to iron attraction..

Or did I miss something ?
Thanks.


Hi Stefan,

Yes, you missed something. The sharper piece is not made of metal. The same happens if it is made of wood. And the wire is not moving in the direction like in electrical motors.

Kames.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2007, 04:57:49 PM »
@duff,

Yes and no. It was a test to see a behavior of the wire by sending a fast sendoff pulse/kick within the magnetic field. The same happens with attraction but much more difficult to test. I did perform other tests to find out if there was any current jump from the battery. Nothing was found, however, I haven?t heard any reasonable explanation from anybody about an additional mechanical movement of the wire. All the things that were said don?t have to do anything with the test at all.

Kames

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2007, 07:57:26 PM »
@duff

The effect you are seeing with iron wire is well known. This effect occurs in soft metals. I don?t remember how it is called and lazy to search for it. It is connected with hysteresis loop in soft metals. If you like, you can search for it.

Some time ago, I have posted a video with a test pulsing a piece of wire and showing an additional mechanical energy generated. You can read it here - http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg32913.html#msg32913
Unfortunately there was not much attention to it. I have built 6 tpus with different configuration and probably another 100 small coil tests and finally came back to a simple wire test and still working on it.
Just a couple of days ago, I have finally come up with an idea of extracting electrical energy from my video test, if there is such, exposed as an electrical current. For now I am not going to post it here, sorry, maybe latter.

Kames.


Kames, I had a look at the video.

Seems the wire is attracted to the metal piece, cause the energized wire
produces a magnet field , so it is attracted by the iron metal sharper piece...

So just normal "electromagnet" to iron attraction..

Or did I miss something ?
Thanks.


Hi Stefan,

Yes, you missed something. The sharper piece is not made of metal. The same happens if it is made of wood. And the wire is not moving in the direction like in electrical motors.

Kames.

Hmm,
strange, what material is the sharper piece made of ?

Maybe it is an effect of the magnet fields of the wires that hold
the swing ? Maybe the swing is just pushed only to one side,
cause the wires going to the swing repell ?

Or what are at the bottomof the sharper there ?
Are these diodes on a circuit board ?
Maybe they have some iron in there, so the
swing it attracted to this ??

If it is not magnetic attraction or
reppellation from the swing holder wires,
what is it then ?
How much current did you use to see this "pendulum" effect ?

Many thanks.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #29 on: November 02, 2007, 10:32:18 PM »
@duff

The effect you are seeing with iron wire is well known. This effect occurs in soft metals. I don?t remember how it is called and lazy to search for it. It is connected with hysteresis loop in soft metals. If you like, you can search for it.

Some time ago, I have posted a video with a test pulsing a piece of wire and showing an additional mechanical energy generated. You can read it here - http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg32913.html#msg32913
Unfortunately there was not much attention to it. I have built 6 tpus with different configuration and probably another 100 small coil tests and finally came back to a simple wire test and still working on it.
Just a couple of days ago, I have finally come up with an idea of extracting electrical energy from my video test, if there is such, exposed as an electrical current. For now I am not going to post it here, sorry, maybe latter.

Kames.


Kames, I had a look at the video.

Seems the wire is attracted to the metal piece, cause the energized wire
produces a magnet field , so it is attracted by the iron metal sharper piece...

So just normal "electromagnet" to iron attraction..

Or did I miss something ?
Thanks.


Hi Stefan,

Yes, you missed something. The sharper piece is not made of metal. The same happens if it is made of wood. And the wire is not moving in the direction like in electrical motors.

Kames.

Hmm,
strange, what material is the sharper piece made of ?

Maybe it is an effect of the magnet fields of the wires that hold
the swing ? Maybe the swing is just pushed only to one side,
cause the wires going to the swing repell ?

Or what are at the bottomof the sharper there ?
Are these diodes on a circuit board ?
Maybe they have some iron in there, so the
swing it attracted to this ??

If it is not magnetic attraction or
reppellation from the swing holder wires,
what is it then ?
How much current did you use to see this "pendulum" effect ?

Many thanks.



Hi Stefan,

That stick is only for showing the difference between equilibrium point and max deviation of the wire and nothing else. It is only for visual effect, ie, to make it easy to see in the video. You can use a pencil instead. The stick is  made of some kind of stone and it doesn?t have any magnetic properties. I DID test it with a wooden stick as well, but the stick I showed in the video is just what I had in my hand during the video and nothing else. It is only to show the difference in distance, otherwise, it simply difficult to see in the video. I tested it with different level of current, from 1A to about 4A. The result was the same. The wires that hold the swing should even reduce the effect because they work as a little spring pushing the wire back, not forward. The point is that the wire moves beyond the point where it should stop after applying the electrical current. That is why I showed two points, a static one (equilibrium) and the farthest one (a stick point, front edge of the pulse, ie, when the current just starting to flow).
 I don?t know the nature of the effect and have no explanation for it. The only thing I can say that there should not be such a situation when the wire moves beyond equilibrium point without some kind of force pushing it more then the current can provide in a static mode. It doesn?t really matter how the wire is located or made of or how the magnet is located. It is a very strange interaction between the magnet and the wire with a current pulse. The wire was too short and the deviation was too big to address it by some kind of influence of other objects around. The first test I did was on my bed, then on my table, then on the floor, all the same. I tried to make the wire much wider than the magnet, the result was the same.
I am investigating the ways to extract that force by electrical means and compare with the energy spent from the battery. I have no idea if that additional force can be extracted by electrical means. All my previous attempts didn?t find any simple way of doing it. I think I finally found the means to do it but this is not for posting for now. It might fail again.

Kames.

 

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