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Author Topic: Single Wire Tests  (Read 75505 times)

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #75 on: November 07, 2007, 11:07:26 PM »
Oh no!!

Our waves are wrong  :o we are going the wrong way.... ::)
My my my

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Re: Single Wire Tests
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #76 on: November 07, 2007, 11:17:19 PM »
Again what Erfinder says is correct.

Much of our misunderstanding of waves is based on how we measure these things today. This is where in my view science has taken a wrong turn.

In the old days these phenomena were investigated with devices like manometric flames, vibration microscopes, sensitive flames, resonators and so forth. By necessity these devices operate in a three dimensional space and the observations made by Chladni, Lissajous, Keely, Helmholtz, Fourier and so on were based on wave propagation in a three dimensional continuum.

We no longer do this. We use oscilloscopes to study waves, totally forgetting that we are looking at a two dimensional ANALOGY of the phenomenon.

An oscilloscope trace, as useful as it is, gives us the characteristics of ONE VECTOR ONLY of a wave.

There is much more to waves than an oscilloscope trace can reveal. The sooner we realise this the better off we will all be.

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2007, 11:21:45 PM »
yup...
« Last Edit: December 19, 2007, 06:12:05 PM by Grumpy »

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #77 on: November 07, 2007, 11:21:45 PM »
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Offline Moab

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #78 on: November 08, 2007, 12:09:55 AM »
Very nice guys. Finally, Finally some real thinking going on here. Its been a good day!

Grumpy, Erfinder, Hans, Your all geniuses! Now if we could get Dollards .02 in these pages it would be a history makeing day.

                                            .02 .M.

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« Reply #79 on: November 08, 2007, 12:32:31 AM »
I mentioned Dollard - even posted a PDF of his "Reasearch Notes".

Funny how when everyone get's on a roll - it just stops.

It ain't Beer-30 yet!

Edit:  What were we talkin' about? Mention of beer just blew me ot of the water...  ;D


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« Reply #79 on: November 08, 2007, 12:32:31 AM »
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Offline Moab

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #80 on: November 08, 2007, 12:43:28 AM »
I know ya did. I meant it as if we could have his input (Reral time).
 

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #81 on: November 08, 2007, 12:53:41 AM »
Eric Dollard was last known to be living in the San Francisco Bay area, consulting for power companies.

He is listed in some public records in this area.  Search for "Eric P. Dollard".

We will have to procede without him...

Edit: maybe Eric will read this and throw us a bone or two...

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #82 on: November 08, 2007, 01:00:34 AM »
The topic is  Understanding the wave. More accurately what we think a wave is. I call it the kinetic moment. That point in (time) Ware the wave is in a transition between one function and another. both equal, both opposite.all in tandom. in unison. The word "Time" of great importance here.

Easy Grumpy. Beer:30 is soon in your end of the sandbox. Try to stay on task.  ;) M.

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« Reply #83 on: November 08, 2007, 01:08:54 AM »
Are you referring to the nasty kick (spike) when a standing wave switches to a travelling wave?

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or flow backwards/forwards in time?  Dollard talks a lot about this.


EDIT:  throw me a freakin' life raft - I'm sinkin' fast!

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #83 on: November 08, 2007, 01:08:54 AM »
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« Reply #84 on: November 08, 2007, 01:30:58 AM »
well In a way yes. Because all things are inter connected. I suppose you could say that. But a wave as we think we understand it only behaves the way it does because we have tricked ourselves into believing that we fully understand it. we surely do not Fully. but were on the right track along the lines of the last few post. I really cant wait to hear the rest of it. Hell we might just have a holey cow moment. or at least a nice T-bone.

I dont post much But this stuff is good. And right on track with my own thinking. when its all put together the conclusions are far simpler than one might think. Why? well 1+1=2 but if you dont have an understanding of what 1 is your SOL in trying to find out what 2 is. or why the hell 2 1s make the whole.

I cant wait till the simple magnet and this line of thinking come together. Oh yeah. thats gonna be good.

Its my oppionion that everything from a DC or AC genny to a full blown 17'' SM TPU, MEG, Seral gen, and even newmans machine all are connected by the simple fact of the collapsing field. But just like 1+1 you cant even make a simple Genny unless you have a rudimentary understanding of the "Wave" and my old buddy Eddy Current.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #85 on: November 08, 2007, 01:36:35 AM »
G'day guys,

If you are looking for Dollard, perhaps Peter Lindemann would be able to help. The two seem to have done a lot of work together, chances are they stay in touch.

Just a thought

Hans von Lieven

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #85 on: November 08, 2007, 01:36:35 AM »
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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #86 on: November 08, 2007, 01:49:00 AM »
as far as kicks go they dont mean a thing if they aint got that ring. The ringing is the wave as it's being disguessed here. Ive said it so many times i cant count em all. its not enough to have kicks. you need to have the right kind of kicks. the ringing after the kick is whats important here. otherwise you have a Tesla resonant rise toy or a step up tranny. make them ring you'll hear them sing. Another .02

@ Hans. a most excellent point made about scopes (i think it was Hans)

what were we building again? Oh.. ok wrong forum.. ;)

i'm just gonna listen for a while. Im content.

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« Reply #87 on: November 08, 2007, 01:58:18 AM »
Perhaps the wrong forum but let's not quit as yet.

Moab, are you familiar with Keely's work from the mid to late 1800's? I think you could get a lot out of studying what he had to say. He worked primarily with acoustic vibrations. I have a website http://www.keelytech.com you mind find of help because a lot of this stuff is covered there.

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Re: Single Wire Tests
« Reply #88 on: November 08, 2007, 02:07:41 AM »
Perhaps the wrong forum but let's not quit as yet.

Moab, are you familiar with Keely's work from the mid to late 1800's? I think you could get a lot out of studying what he had to say. He worked primarily with acoustic vibrations. I have a website http://www.keelytech.com you mind find of help because a lot of this stuff is covered there.

Hans von Lieven

Oh yes. keeley. shaweburger. Tesla, dollard. Rodin. (Dude put on a shirt, Yer scareing my dog) Its a never ending study and I read them often and learn more every time. Especially Viktor. Man, that kat had it goin on. I dont want to clutter the thread anymore than i alredy have. In student mode here. sorry guys. .M.

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« Reply #89 on: November 08, 2007, 02:31:27 AM »
 ;D

such fun we have had here eh          life ..........   live  ......learn  .......   discover

i can not add a word

you guys are doing a fine job lol


my posts come to an end  as i have a great deal of work ahead  mostly reading lol!   

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