Author Topic: Igors switcher (EMF recycler2) (Read 100957 times)

drspark · « **on:** January 27, 2007, 03:25:42 PM »

Hi People,

"newman spark effect" not in pspice simulation...

Thanks Igor, for resparking intrest in this metheod, Wherever you are.
The old 7 reed relay circut worked exactly as described. EXACTLY.
only problem was relays welding shut and short circuiting, Igors 4pole relay should not do that

Enjoy

see also:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,133.0.html
http://drspark.com/idea003.php

drspark · « **Reply #1 on:** January 27, 2007, 05:51:26 PM »

For more power add more to the value of the zener
In the simulation; If D3 is removed, power flows back to the battery, probably ruining it...

Igors addition of the inductor has made this act more strange imho...
and is why it pumps up

Im useing student version of circuitmaker

any ideas on the wattage and cap voltage ratings so nothing breaks?

pakis_ch · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2007, 11:13:15 AM »

Have built and test this circuit?

Pakis_ch

gezgin · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2007, 11:28:58 AM »

Hi,
what is primer/seconder properties T1 transformer (2x12 V-220 V ?).

drspark · « **Reply #4 on:** January 30, 2007, 09:10:40 PM »

Hi People,

I have constructed recycle circuit.
Auto bulb replace R2 and another is in series with T1 and C3/C4
Seperate 555 circuit drives the relay...

here is photos of operatioin

drspark · « **Reply #5 on:** January 30, 2007, 10:38:08 PM »

The circuit

drspark · « **Reply #6 on:** January 31, 2007, 12:00:11 AM »

6volt bulbs replace the 12volt 12watt bulbs

drspark · « **Reply #7 on:** January 31, 2007, 02:12:07 AM »

.
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The Relay must be converted into a rotating commutator,
Or, a solid state 4pdt relay.......

Anyone know how to do the solid state (FET) 4pdt Switch with no biasing or back currents that will change dynamics of switching action?? true open(s) and close(s) of a few Mohms or 0ohms

Thanks
Sparky got this nick because i tuned a lodge coil, with amazing results (they had way to much cap)....

drspark · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2007, 09:00:07 PM »

Hi People,

I replaced the light bulbs with 10-ohm resisters.
The resister in series with the supply gets hot, but you can still touch it for maybe 3seconds, and the output resister is untouchable!

have fun everyone....

hartiberlin · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2007, 11:40:19 PM »

Dr.Spark,
very nice !
Do you get already more Watts at the second
lamp than you put into the circuit yet ?

Regards, Stefan-

drspark · « **Reply #10 on:** February 01, 2007, 03:18:23 PM »

Hi there Stefan,

Sad to say, I dont have access to equipment to perform measurements worth arguing over, anymore, BUT, I have replaced the Bulbs and their varying resistance with two identicle 10ohm resisters.
The resister in series with the powersupply is noticably cooler than the resister between the capacitor banks, which becomes to hot to touch, and is now discolored.

That is an easy to feel, and somewhat visable caloric differance!

The Spice simulations seem in error, and I have sent a copy to them and will post any reply....

If their not in error, all we need is a *perfict* switch like what is simulated by the computer running spice or CircuitMaker I used.

At this point I dont know how to replace the relay(s) with solid state but that has to be next. (or a spinning comutator, tubes, anything faster) The higher the frequency the better the effect... noticable when I change the 555 circuit trim pot controlling the relay.
I can see the relay loose it when the freq is above 25-30hz and the circuit malfunctions.

555 circuit has R1=1k, R2=1k+10ktrimpot, C1=10uf.

This was not expensive to repeat, I did the sims while waiting for the relay and caps in the mail from mouser, after seeing wizkycho's rep here!

spark

hartiberlin · « **Reply #11 on:** February 01, 2007, 03:48:10 PM »

Hi DrSpark, without mechanical contacts it will probably not work. Was the same with the Newman setups. It needs the sparking in the air to do electron clustering at the contact points to convert additional energy into the circuit. With just electronic transistor switching it will not work. So a faster turning mechanical commutator and higher voltages is the way to go for more energy output.
Regards, Stefan.

pakis_ch · « **Reply #12 on:** February 03, 2007, 10:40:33 AM »

Hi Drspark,

Ok I'm convinced.
I'm going to build this with mechanical switching.
If it works ok for me too, I have a friend of mine with huge experience in electronics
and he is going to convert it to electronic switching and see what happens.
Do you thing that a bigger transformer will make any difference to the output?
I have access to many parts from PC PSUs and I can change the transformer with something bigger than what you use.

Pakis_ch

drspark · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2007, 04:14:43 PM »

Hi Pakis_ch,

My transformer is only 24 turns of two strands #24.
I measured out 3feet found center on ONE strand and sandpapered a bare spot and soldered the greeen wire on. Then I put both strands in a drill and lightly twisted them to make treading them thru the toroid easyer.

I connected a 12v lightbulb to the uncentertapped strand and wired the primary as showen in the various drawings...

It barely made red the filiment. So, now their both connected like litz wire but only one is centertapped to the diode.

Now my reason for a low coupling was fear, Im afraid that the spice sims maybe correct, and the cap-trapped cemf from the transformer will cause a voltage rise and pop my caps. Ending the fun for atleast a month. The sims all ran away without the zener clamping the voltage to a limit.

If you look at the circuit, any backemf or cemf from the transformer cant get to ground without integrateing onto one side or the other cap bank..... and there lies the uncharted side of this concept, which is wizkycho's addition, (the Transformer) also sugjested by Gyula a couple of years ago.
I wish I had simulated it back then $:-\$

Looking forward to your replication and insights

spark

drspark · « **Reply #14 on:** February 05, 2007, 06:57:04 PM »

Hi People,

Making the circuit as simple as possable;
I went back to the simulator, I still get a greater output than input, but at the lower frequencys, thats what I experience now with the circuit in real world.

By removing the inductor from the sim/circuit, it no longer runs away in voltage, very interesting.

Im begining to think spice is correct.

Anyone wanting to Sim this can dload a free, student copy of circuitmaker, just google circuitmaker download.

At 8-10hz the input resister is cold can be touched to your lip, however the output resister is far to hot to touch.

This is inverted from light bulbs that appeared to show greater output at higher frequencys...

spark

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