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Author Topic: Lords of the Ring  (Read 950312 times)

bolt

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2385 on: September 13, 2007, 07:58:19 PM »
Whats happening i cant post? MIB at work hahaha.

I will open this up a bit because i been waiting for this interaction from someone rather than just putting the card on the table. We know we have a total of 3 frequencies. We have our first frequncy that we actually want. We want lots of this and we will get it. I also have 2 other sine wave frequencies. How do i get 7.8 Hz from two other sine wave frequencies. Lets see who it paying attention.? :)

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innovation_station

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2386 on: September 13, 2007, 08:08:11 PM »
hey bolt

a wile ago this was a thought im sure many had  3 6 9

now that = 3=x 6=7.5 9=x

so    3.75     7.5  11.25 ?

ist ;D

im gonna work it out agin i think it should be it the 4 hz

or it could be like this

3= x 6=x 9= 7.5

3 9 6            3=3.75     9=7.5     6= 3.285

no?      the worst is it is wrong no big deal   
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bolt

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2387 on: September 13, 2007, 08:20:18 PM »
nope look this is very easy basic radio stuff i will wait now till someone post the right answer. If you cant answer this then got NO hope of making a tpu.
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Grumpy

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2388 on: September 13, 2007, 08:23:09 PM »
a mixer - like has been mention at least 100 times....

Or

"entrainment" - bet you don't have that card...
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innovation_station

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2389 on: September 13, 2007, 08:29:03 PM »
 ;D

when i do finish my machine i will not choose such a mannor as this to release it to the public ;)


@bolt this is the wise way to do it    we must understand it or we can not use it   makes good sence!


isteam!!

another go at it

15hz first freq second freq 23.5hz  =    third freq 7.5
« Last Edit: September 13, 2007, 08:50:36 PM by innovation_station »
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bolt

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2390 on: September 13, 2007, 08:45:12 PM »
yes grumpy a mixer but regardless of 100 times before i bet 99 times was talking about square waves. So  now we are mixing, what frequencies do i need to make 7.5 Hz and why can i not just squirt 7.5 straight in and have done with it? Show me a math example i want 7.5 hz what do i actually need for the 2 frequencies?.

Yes GK but dont worry about phase or direction at the mo your very close.
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2391 on: September 13, 2007, 08:47:49 PM »
So if one has 2 freqs in the same direction heterdyning to 7.3hz then because of the phase diff in the original 2 freqs the 7.3hz would be spinning.
So we direct the 2 base freqs cw and the heterdyne would be ccw. Or vice versa.

Like a Moire' pattern. The heterodyne sums with the Earth's field.

As the sum collapses it crosses the coil pushing energy back into the coil. The Earth is now at a point where it and the coil are inductively coupled.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2392 on: September 13, 2007, 08:56:11 PM »
Abstract. Application of a steady magnetic field allows sum-frequency radiation generated via dipole-forbidden mixing of two-colour fields in an atomic medium to be emitted in the (otherwise forbidden) forward direction. As a result of resonance tuning at low-field strength (not exceeding 0.1 T) a fourth-order magnetic-dipole-induced amplitude for the sum-frequency process can be made comparable to the third-order field-free amplitude. We show that the interference between different terms of the field-dependent amplitude may cause the circular dichroism of the forward-scattering cross section for one of the two incident waves or the sum-frequency wave when the other two waves are linearly polarized. The dichroism effect is due to the dissipation processes determined by the resonant level width Γ and depends strongly both on Γ and the resonance detuning Δ. The effect may be used to control the frequency conversion process or to make possible a frequency mixing laser spectroscopy of excited atomic levels.

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=1067539

http://dml.riken.jp/pub/nori/particles.html
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Grumpy

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2393 on: September 13, 2007, 08:58:18 PM »
How do you know that a rotating magnetic field does not entrain the earth's field (and it's frequency components)?  You know - like the "focusing of power" that SM mentioned in his letter about the TV explosion.

SM stated very clearly in a message that:

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YES THERE IS A ROTATING FEILD WHICH CAUSES ELECTRONS TO FLOW IN COPPER WIRE AND BE USED TO
PROVIDE USEFULL WORK FORCE. THERE ARE MANY WIRES PERPINDICULAR TO THE MAIN
COLLECTOR.(Control coils) THIS IS A NECESSARY PART OF THE DEVICE.

SINCERELY,

SM.

and should anyone ahve further doubts about the necessity of a rotating magnetic field:

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It is really great to see more "hands on" activity here. It may be relevant to convey the importance of the relationship
between the resonances/wire lengths of the control/collector coils. I think of it a a rotational magnetic reciever. Some of
the tests that I have carried on the coiols that have visible control windings indicate frequencies in the megahertz range
which would make pc scopes un usable ...I could be wrong...we will see. We are Searching for a rotational Kicking
field.that can be accelerated by applying harmonics This could take a while. It is unconventional. Sharing results..even
failures will help every body. Sharing limitations will slow everybody down. It would be great if more those who seem to
have a clear understanding would do some winding to confirm their expectations. Perhaps Luck will come into it I
remember a fellow who said "The more I work and act the more luck I seem to get"

Sine waves can create a rotating magnetic field.  ;)
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EMdevices

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2394 on: September 13, 2007, 09:04:40 PM »
I'm glad you're pushing for this again bolt,  we did discuss it however.

We can use a number of frequencies, for example

f1 = 10,007.3 Hz
f2 = 10,000.0 Hz

Mix them and you get  a sum and difference (plus other harmonics but in practice  filters take those out including one of the images)

But if we assume no filter and no higher IP3 products we get:   

f3 = 10007.3 - 10000 = 7.3   ahaaaa,  and
f4 10,007.3 + 10,000 = 20,007.3  boooo

Then the 7.3 Hz created frequency will mix once again with the Earth's natural 7.3 Hz frequency and produce

f5 = 7.3 - 7.3 = 0   DC   (what we want)
f6 = 7.3+7.3 = 14.6 
f7, f8, f9 , .... (more mixer products exist as well)

However,
SM talked about a rotating magnetic field that intersects the many vertical wires   He He He  Grumpy is right!!  :)

So I doubt it's a heterodyning principle/antenna, but it could be, who knows. 

EM
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bolt

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2395 on: September 13, 2007, 09:08:14 PM »
Mmm i never read that before not that it changes where i heading but that snippet is not in the master doc with all of SM's comments. If everything he ever said was pooled in one place it would expedite the entire process and prevent anyone new having to read through the entire forum. So the question is where is the most current up to date document of SM's comments?
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2396 on: September 13, 2007, 09:08:56 PM »
Quote from: bolt on September 13, 2007, 08:45:12 PM

Show me a math example i want 7.5 hz what do i actually need for the 2 frequencies?.


this would depend on your point of view, regeneration or hythrodyne or superhytrodyne and there are several techniques more.
normally we have the "center frequency" or "beat frequency" which is being mixed with the two other waves ,the "carrier" wave and the "lf audio" wave.
then the signal is being rectified,hf filterd out, low pass filter, decoupling caps, and smoothed to give a close replication of the "audio" component which is being transmitted by the transmitter.
however in the regeneration process this is diffrent, here we see a wave from an local oscillator which constantly cycles the recieving device be it a tube or a transistor ,at a high speed above human perception audio frequency (supersonic,ultrasonic,when it is below it is infrasonic or subsonic),and this moves the sensetivity for example 35.000 times a second between maximum sensitivity and actual generation of a radio wave from the reciever,which is why these kind of recievers put out a lot of noise when they are at the point of generating,it becomes a transmitter.
this way we and up with a chopped to pieces, but very usable output wave to work with ,and these types are known to be the most sensitive of them all.
it is also possible to add a hf stage to decouple the actual generation of rf waves, but i do not think this relates to the TPU as i believe we want to see this disruptive interference.

i will write some more tomorrow.
Marco.


 
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EMdevices

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2397 on: September 13, 2007, 09:12:03 PM »
Oh I forgot to mention,

We need a NONLINEAR medium for mixing to happen, and bytheway, mixing means  MULTIPLICATION not SUMMATION.

(as in:       A1 cos(2pi f1 t)  x  A2 cos(2pi f2 t)  =   (A1 A2)/2 [ cos(2pi(f1-f2)t) + cos(2pi(f1+f2)t) ]  )



How can we get a NONLINEAR medium?

How about a ferrite ring, is that nonlinear?    Well, for small signals it's quite linear, but for large signals, it  might not.

So if we DC bias the ferite core and move it close to saturation we can get it to be more nonlinear, and then we can use it as a mixer.
Is that what SM is doing?    And remember he doesn't have to have an antenna to capture the schumann frequency, it's in the toroid, the toroid captures it, it is the antenna.

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bolt

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2398 on: September 13, 2007, 09:14:42 PM »
EMdevices trust me this is 90% of how it works and if you don't know why we need 7.5 as an output you haven't done your homework on tesla stuff but its absolutely fascinating why this works.

I'm glad you're pushing for this again bolt,  we did discuss it however.

We can use a number of frequencies, for example

f1 = 10,007.3 Hz
f2 = 10,000.0 Hz

Mix them and you get  a sum and difference (plus other harmonics but in practice  filters take those out including one of the images)

Excellent so you picked 2 frequencies at random yet you got the same result. This is what i was waiting for. Now then i can pick any 2 frequencies that are in the practical of the working range of the device and i still get 7.5 hz do you agree?
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2399 on: September 13, 2007, 09:23:36 PM »
the example you just mentioned is the hetrodyne prinicple.
this occurs for example when two engines are running next to each other and one is running slightly faster, or when two close tones are hit on a piano, this will produce a "knocking" sound at the diffrence frequency between the two others.

the mentioned frequency's Steven talked about can be in a 7.x relationship to each other:
7,x times 5000  = 35000
7.x times 35000 = 245000

but if i look at it that way, i would choose the regeneration principle, not the hetro or superhetrodyne principle.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regenerative_circuit

M.
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