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bolt

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2520 on: September 17, 2007, 10:01:11 PM »
yes the loop collector is balanced with very low impedance and the signals are unbalanced high impedance. The balun also provides a mixer function.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2521 on: September 17, 2007, 10:04:21 PM »
@bolt

Since 'balun' stands for 'balanced/unbalanced' and they are simply transformers made to connect balanced to unblanced loads/sources and match unequal impedances. Do you have an idea which part is balanced and unbalanced?

@GK

Rogue waves are fun - magnetic or otherwise. When you have three meeting to produce the rogue the amount of power and the sound of the tri-tone is amazing but only if each signal is alone on its speaker. Otherwise the same tone is there but there is no body.

I totally understand that. But in the field of a BOSE acoustic radiator is immensely different. This is the most amazing piece of equip I have ever experienced. This is a test before I plug the signals to the turbo coil.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2522 on: September 17, 2007, 10:14:35 PM »
GK when you tuning up the tpu it would help to leave a tiny bit of audio tapped off through resistor dividers then a cap for safety for DC isolation and fed into your hi fi then you will know when you are in a phase locked situation with time as you learn exactly what the sound is like when favorable. Also if you are eager to press with some testing just make one audio amp then calibrate and test the bandwidth from DC to 500k. Then feed in three sines and try this into your tpu.

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Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2523 on: September 17, 2007, 10:14:40 PM »
Thaelin,
the image looks to me like a 3:1 unbalanced autotransformer thereby giving an impedance transformation of 9:1.  It is definitely not a balun since there is no BALanced to UNbalanced transformation taking place.

Regards, Earl
   @ All:
   Well I just had to go play in Balun land for a while and found a 9 to 1 balun. See the attached photo and see why I jumped out of the chair a bit. Plays with the mind.
thaelin

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2524 on: September 17, 2007, 10:16:06 PM »
yes the loop collector is balanced with very low impedance and the signals are unbalanced high impedance. The balun also provides a mixer function.

So I could make one out of iron wire as a base and wrap 4 coils on it to what ever combinations I need for a passive configuration
or use a summing opamp as an impedance matching input to output with gain. If I was to stick with active components.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2525 on: September 17, 2007, 10:29:51 PM »
This is Whamma jamma shweet! Without changing the volume and only by changing the 3rd freq of 44hz I can vibrate the house! I believe I could bring this ediface down. I can also by changing the 3rd freq minutely change the resonant distance and have it perform at the structural part of the house or in mid air.

OMG this is insane. Who put me up to this? I am taking names. I wonder if my house insurance covers this. This can't be good for the sheet rock.

Now if only I was pushing copper...

--giantkiller. Strictly mad scientist moment!

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2526 on: September 17, 2007, 10:32:35 PM »
The input impedance to the power amp is already extremely high due to the buffer op amp and there is plenty of drive from the sig gens.  So you can try just putting on three 1uf caps from the sig gens to amp then calibrate each sig gen so that each one set to 1 k provides the exact same amplitude. The check again at 10 hz and 250k. You may get roll off on the extremes but it will be more hassle at this time to build a summing amp as you have spit rails on different voltages. Have to keep an eye on the control coil resistance too cos if you drive those directly there are two potential problems. First the resistance may only be 2 ohms although the mos fet should handle that keep a close eye on current. Second the output is DC coupled and you might have a problem with back emf ringing into the PA. If you think this is happening place  a 10 ohm  2 watt series resistor inline a damper and reduce the drive current. DOnt use wire wound here though as it will act as a choke.   Well anything can happen its a case for suck it and see.

Add : Feed the three sig gens into a 500k volume pot via the 3 caps and take wiper to amplifier. Then when levels are calibrated you then have a master volume control which you might need to adjust to get the tpu doing something. Remember that pot on SM's tpu? I bet thats just a volume control LOL
« Last Edit: September 17, 2007, 10:57:45 PM by bolt »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2527 on: September 17, 2007, 11:13:22 PM »
Things are good so far.
So we are working down to a 1 channel amp config here.

Just completed last step. The low speed warble and phase shifting is incredible.

I have the heterodyne signal on the scope. The house sounds like the signal in the movie 'Contact'. :D 8)
And my dogs are freaked out!
But I have a pretty good idea what the TPU sounds like in operation. And that is the one thing that SM never showed. Would have been a dead give away.
The vibration was the low end heterodyne output. Whoooaaoaoaaoaoa!
Got universe...

TPU sings #5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHSZc7UGL28

Because the coupling is capacitive('No current' like Earl said) then the coil should drive for rampup. In other words the coil interfaces naturally magnetic and not artificially pressured. Magnetic flexing should provide the necessary current for full power conversion after that. Does anybody else see that?  I think I just filled my rubber pants. Ya know I've said that before and great strides were made.

With the BOSE acoustic radiator I am not flexing the magnetic surroundings but only air. The next step is emminent.
I am the only one with a ceramic acoustic radiator performing these experiments. It provides a crystal clear audio environment in 3d. What are the odds of that?
Sure beats blowin' shit up! Eh?

-giantkiller. We practice with audio then push copper. Suzy bake oven then microwave. Too stinkin' cool. I could take tomorrow off if someone says 'Go'?
« Last Edit: September 18, 2007, 12:51:37 AM by giantkiller »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2528 on: September 18, 2007, 01:30:40 AM »
No you achieved a lot now take a break. You already built up those boards in record time. Time for reflect then begin some testing later.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2529 on: September 18, 2007, 02:31:11 AM »
I think my house is exhausted....

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2530 on: September 18, 2007, 02:47:23 AM »
Good work GK,

so you are exploring beat interference effects with sound waves.  That sound is awsome  !!  I love it.

EM

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2531 on: September 18, 2007, 06:01:29 AM »
Good work GK,

so you are exploring beat interference effects with sound waves.  That sound is awsome  !!  I love it.

EM
Yep.
Sure is a safer way to get kicks. ;)

--giantkiller.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2532 on: September 18, 2007, 09:33:42 AM »
@bolt

If GK recorded a very hires pure sample of his sound could it be fed into the collectors directly from an audio source and work?

also what part of the a TPU could be made of a peice of copper in principle, maybe someone could draw what the simplest configuration would look like.

I know we are waiting on GK's test but it would be interesting.

Acerzw

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2533 on: May 16, 2020, 02:01:08 AM »
Here a sad note ,Ernie , member Vortex 1 [ION at other forums] passed on yesterday ...Poyntwrote some nice words
here  https://overunity.com/18485/ernie-aka-ion-vortex-vince-sherlockholmes-will-be-deeply-missed/msg545620/#new
Thanks to Stefan for opening this old board
a very sad day...hopefully Ernie has finally found the FE...
Respectfully Chet K