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Title: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 05:53:14 AM
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"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to bind them,
One Ring to bring them all and from the darkness find them."

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Due to overwhelming response and suggestions, I figured I would comply. Today after it was found out that I was holding my TPU in my hand with hard kicks emminating from it, I was stoutly told to shield the unit and 'Don't touch the ring!'
That showed me that I had made great progress. This thread starts with those kicks that were so hard to acquire before that are now all over the place and dangerous. This thread also marks the great step into tuning. I shudder at the possibilites without safety and control.
Once upon a time there were 2 bicycle mechanics that wanted to fly. Now we're beyond the solar system. ;)

So let us not tarry any further... for we must not look back.

Welcome to the next step of the TPU. The Ring tune. Ta-da!

--giantkiller. Please extinguish all smoking material. We don't want to encourage any unwarranted results. Any and all results gotten reflect those of management at one point or another in time.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 06:39:15 AM
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I am listing the instructions here to wind and drive a TPU that produces kicks. Guaranteed!
A word of warning: There is a high degree of danger in doing this!
Overunity comes from the collaspe of the magnetic field.
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Devices such as lifters, the ECD, the Turbo coil, and this one here all exhibit the same
physical property called the wing edge effect. That is where the Radiant energy flies off.
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The rule is: DO NOT TOUCH THE RING! when it is on. You've been warned. I accept no responsibility for your attempts at completing this project. You are at your own risk. If you follow the instructions and end up in a dangerous situation, it is your fault, not mine. I have had my dangerous moment already and it isn't pleasant.

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I have gathered up the pictures of the device specifications at the bottom of this post.
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These instructions are the latest. This post supercedes all other posts.
Let's start off with with the coil specifications:
Coil diameter is 4", but this can vary, and consists of 3 layers of:
Collector coil is garden wire, 22 turns, standard size and there are 6" leads coming out.
Control coils are 4 segments of 30 gauge magnet wire, 200 turns in each segment.
The feedback coil is 16 gauge speaker wire (single run) wrapped around all layers in 4 segments of 17 turns.
Feedback and controls are wound using right hand rule. starting closest to you and winding over the top of the collector, down through the center, out the bottom, and back towards you, then back up to over the top following the turns to the left. Looking from the top we are traveling in a clockwise direction.
The control segments have 200 of these per segment and each turn is touching the last. There is a gap of about 1" between segments. they are proportionally spaced around the collectors.
The feedback windings are similar in their 17 turns. Each turn touches the last. There is about 1 1/4" gap between these segments.

Then interconnect the whole system by Ottos diagram shown at bottom of this post.
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I power the 555s with +5v and the tip41b-s with +12v. Bias resistors are 100 ohms.
Transistors like http://www.bourns.com/pdfs/tip41.pdf (http://www.bourns.com/pdfs/tip41.pdf) or equivilant.
The duty cycle resistances are 200k pots. The frequency duration resistances are 200k pots. The Tantalium capacitors range  in value from .01uf to 10uf. Switch them out to suite your tests.
My settings for frequency are <200hz for all 3 555s. Vary to suite your tests.
There is only +DC pulses.
My power supply is +12v @ 8.25a

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Now let me be the first to lead by example. As you can see by the picture we have captured the ellusive Ring. It is safely in its cage in a quiescent state at the moment. Fear not, should it be aroused. But for safety sake let's not awaken it from it's dormant place. We are now safe. Should the creature perk up and start chattering, it is secured in a shield of containment.

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What I have used here is screen door aluminum cloth, formed into a block secured with duct tape. The floor is perfboard with 2 layer screen underneath. Didn't want anything shorting out.

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Let's talk for a moment about the sweet spot when tuning.
I used my right hand for this test. Not good! I hope the tuning fork sound will replicate the ability of feeling the sweet hit. I call it sweet for a damn good reason. The field appears in smooth layers around your hand almost like a light plasma effect. This is when you feel the temperature jump up. You feel the kicks pulsating through your flesh. It's not the heat that is the problem. It is what you don't see. It is etched indelibly in my mind, no really, headache and eye ache included. If I can get some sort of tool to catch what I felt that would be tantamount! I would then have a console indicator. And with that measurement I can trip a kill switch with a visual feedback indicator automagically. I could use a heat trip but I need to balance between heat level and desired results.

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I worked the previous days without using any shielding and suffered a severe headache.
We are past the stage of just winding a coil and turning it on.
This stage of building means business.
I tested the cage in my weakened state and found out that I did not degrade any further. It only takes a matter of minutes to feel the effect of a closely tuned ring. My suspicion is if you feel the sweet spot on your hand, you then have achieved the headache in time. Turn the device off. Your fun is over for the time being.

Rule #1 for an active device?
DO NOT TOUCH THE RING!

Mandatory tools for this thread are a cage! The warning above still applies.
If you tune without a cage you are exposing yourself to harmful waves.
The kicks kick ass. Yours!

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Current Must things to do:
Replace the potentiometers with a higher quality. This will definately change the results.
Consolidate the mag wires tighter into the coil. This is to prevent breakage during portability.
Apply Thermometer to coil for temperature tests in sequence with locating the sweet spot of tuning.
Apply Amperage meter in line with PSU in sequence with locating the sweet spot of tuning.
Apply Tuning fork on coil. I'll bet you this is better than using magnets when locating the sweet spot of tuning or cooking my hand!

I will post the results here of the Potentiometer replacement.

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Additional specifications
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If you just want to skip ahead to the final answer
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg32490.html#msg32490

Words of affirmation
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21446.html#msg21446
Words from on high
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21532.html#msg21532
GK4 kicks
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21633.html#msg21633
Radiant energy explaination
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21701.html#msg21701
Ark of the Covenant
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg21846.html#msg21846
GK5 hooked up
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22046.html#msg22046
TPU coil pictures
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22262.html#msg22262
Radiant diagram
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22324.html#msg22324
SM ring construction
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22651.html#msg22651
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22789.html#msg22789
SM17 operation
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22793.html#msg22793
SM17 Hieroglyphic
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22841.html#msg22841
Coil Drive specifications
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24115.html#msg24115
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24372.html#msg24372
SM17 test platform
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24409.html#msg24409
Interfering frequencies
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24501.html#msg24501

This just in......
The term 'flyback' probably originated because the high voltage pulse that
charges the CRT capacitance is generated by the collapse of the magnetic
field in the core of the transformer during the short retrace period - when
the electron beam in the CRT 'flies back' to the start of a new scan line.
The flux in the core changes slowly during scan and is abruptly switched
in polarity by the HOT turning off and damper diode turning on during this
flyback or retrace period.
http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_flytest.html#FLYTEST_006

I bet you the exploding TV had an open transformer arrangement in it and probably cheap potting material. Today it is a wonderfully strange looking device, heavily shielded and so are the drive electronics.

B+ ------+     +----|>|-----+---o +V1  B+ ------+     +----|>|-----+---o +HV
         o )|:|( o  Scan     |                  o )|:|(   Flyback   | 
           )|:|(  Rectifier _|_                   )|:|(  Rectifier _|_
           )|:|(            ---                   )|:|(            ---
           )|:|(             |                    )|:|(             |
     _/\_  )|:|(             |              _/\_  )|:|( o           |
HOT ------+     +------------+--+      HOT ------+     +------------+--+
                               _|_                                    _|_
                                -                                      -
Step up xfrmr, diode and a cap. Hmmm, looks like a stungun. If there was a spark gap after this you can kiss your cheeks goodbye. Danger, Will Robinson!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg26692.html#msg26692
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Flyback, stungun, retrace, bedini motor ckt all the same. Kicks, kicks, kicks.
Feed em back, let 'em fly. Circulate them puppies. Run 'em around.
This oughta make things simple.
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Otto's jumpering shows just this. Freqs in at the bottom and circuit on top to +v. I will go back and try this. I have to rewire GK4 to this. Was gonna do this anyway. But this time the feedback connected in reverse.

The collapse of the wave was the overall theme of the Dale Pond google video. In the exploding TV story remember the nails flew around the room. The child was probably killed from objects behind him.
Nature abhors a vacuum. Thanks Dr. Malcolm.
Male physics is the science of expansion while female physics is the science of contraction. Don't laugh. Watch the video. We cannot be anything different than our environment. Overunity comes from the collaspe of the magnetic field.
Never get between a mother and her children!

We want your stay here to be a pleasant one.
Thank you for your participation, the management.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: MrMag on January 07, 2007, 06:45:03 AM
Giantkiller,

Love the topic name!

Played around most of the day on my TPU and still nothing. I still think it is the generators I'm using. I tried putting MOSFETs between the generators and coils with no luck. One thing I did see is that two of the generators are running past the zero voltage and into the negative. Probably no good. I am also still trying to figure out where exactly to measure the output from. By hooking up the windings as Otto has posted really screw up the infeed waveforms which doesn't seem right. I hope someone is still up and around to give me some ideas for tomorrow.

Tim
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: MrMag on January 07, 2007, 06:50:21 AM
GK,

Nice box. I have an old microwave that is not used and I thought of putting the TPU inside. But I am sure that I will be told that the microwave is running the coil. ;D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 06:52:35 AM
I scope at between the top collector and the watt resistor. Do your freqs come out of the drivers?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 06:55:08 AM
GK,

Nice box. I have an old microwave that is not used and I thought of putting the TPU inside. But I am sure that I will be told that the microwave is running the coil. ;D

Tnx. Cheap too compared to the headache. I don't think the micro will cause you any grief.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: MrMag on January 07, 2007, 07:07:23 AM
GK,

I've tried both ways. Direct to the coils and then through the MOSFETs. Otto also mentioned that he is not using the resistors (12 ohm) that he shows in the drawings. Do you think I should put them in?

Right now the time is around 1:00AM. I am in Canada about 30 miles south-east of Detroit.

Tim
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on January 07, 2007, 07:23:07 AM
can you post a description of your setup?  Doesn't sound right.  should have small pulse or other triggr to mosfet and then large pulse across mosfet.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: MrMag on January 07, 2007, 07:56:36 AM
Grumpy,

I know. I keep thinking that I wound or connected something wrong. I must have checked 20 times. All windings are wound clockwise. Four separate windings per layer connected as Tesla patent / Otto's explanation. I really think that the coils are alright. I think my problem is with the signals. As I mentioned, I am using 3 separate frequency generators. I feel that this is the problem since I am not using a single power source. If the three control windings were separate it should be no problem. But, according to Otto's drawing, the control winding are also connected to the collectors which is where I think the problem of "common ground" could be an issue. Even with the MOSFETs being driven by three generators, there would be a common ground issue.

One thing that was interesting is that I connected the control winding layers in series and then connected them in series with the collectors, just for the hell of it. I was getting 20mv spikes that ran around the 2.5kHz range. I shut off the generators and moved it away from everything. Only had the scope hooked up. Pretty weird.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on January 07, 2007, 08:28:25 AM
Got a nice buzz going, so let's hav a look:

hmm - hang on - buying some bulk components in another window - caps and resistors...

one more time:

1. many ways to wind coils and connect them.
2. 3 frequencies - not my idea - fundamental, 3rd, and 5th, produce steep rise and fall of pulse - this is good - must be synched or doesn't work.
3. shit can the 3 freqs and just send a pulse to your mosfets - short pulse - recommend mosfet speed up components - see "Pulsers only" section pdf's.  You guys are mixing ideas together  - crossing them up - and getting freaky stuff

Otto's wiring is NOT the only way, SM's wiring is not the only way - shit - ain't even the best way or even that good - inefficient as hell.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on January 07, 2007, 08:44:35 AM
GK,
Great that you started this thread!

Just a quick one to all who want to do the ring thing

Please

Do exactly as gk has done........do not change a thing.
do not add "improvments"...a few timers and a few commomly available transistors.

All this stuff is around most places!

It may take 5 hours max...get it right.

This may not be a working generator but a discovery tool...and a beauty at that!

Even though I say copper.collectors...that may be later.

GK, you might have to do some complete drawings ..again..including timer circuits.. and rebuild another from them so that everybody can get on the exact same page. Gk, thanks for your patience...perhaps you deserve a rest anyway.


Lindsay Mannix





Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on January 07, 2007, 08:54:59 AM
Give me a freakin' break.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 09:30:00 AM
Hi GK,

You said 12v, 3amps input, in a few ohms, thats gonna make some heat.  How do you know its not OU yet, what is your power out measurements?

Do the 2 x 10 ohm resistors get hot, as hot as, or hotter than the TPU itself?


Thanks,

Dave.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 09:54:14 AM
GK,

Gonna wind a new TPU as per yours and Ottos instructions next week.  Would you be kind enough just to re-confirm the the below details?


Garden wire is standard size and there are 6" leads coming out of the collectors.

My 555s are @ 5v the tip41a-s are @ 12v. Bias ohms are 100.

Again:

Coil diam is 6"

3 layers of:

Collector coil is garden wire, 22 turns.

Control coils are 4 segments of 30 gauge magnet wire, 200 turns on each collector.

The feedback coil is 16 gauge speaker wire (single run) wrapped around all layers in 4 segments of 17 turns.

Then interconnect the whole system by Ottos diagram.

I power the 555s @ 5v and the tip41a-s @ 12v.

Freq range is 200hz for all 3 555s.

My new power supply is 12v @ 8.25a



Regards,

Dave.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 10:45:59 AM
Dear all,

Further to Ottos and GKs tests, Otto has asked me to post this diagram for everyone to try.  For some reason he has problems posting images here.

I am not sure what it is to do yet, he says it will be a surprise!  So I am hoping its a proof of concept!


D.


"Hello Dave,

I hope you and a few people with scopes will make the little test.

Make just a little coil.

Wind over your 2 fingers 50 turns of thin wire. Diameter is NOT important. Then connect one end to +12-13V. The other end to your MOSFET to pulse this coil.
Through this coil put a wire and connect it to the end of your coil where you pulse it. Now you have 1 end open. This end of the wire connect to a light bulb and the other end of the light bulb connect to minus.

Waiting for your results!!

Otto"
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on January 07, 2007, 10:58:58 AM
All,
I'm winding..............I'm winding...............and working on a precision clock source. You all may want to have a look at the Analog Devices AD9833. They are programmable waveform generators that will allow you to generate sinusoidal/triangle/square waveforms from 0Hz to 12.5MHz. Place a wideband unity gain op-amp buffer stage inline, next, feeding MOSFET gate driver stages and finally the power MOSFET's themselves, That will allow you to have digital control of the three seperate frequency synth's and allow you to put a little space between you and the DUT (Device Under Test). Actually as much space as you need. I've got my family to look ot for, so I won'tbe firing up in the living room. Has any one looked at or run calculations using the "standard knowledge" ? I would like to see, or perform, some analysis to see where we are in terms of standard theory. It is important to document the experiments so that EM theory can be updated if the results warrent it. Remember that experimental results that contradict accepted theory can mean discovery. Yes, I have a scope, and access to just about anything I'll need. I'm a professional test engineer.

GK................consider the possibility that your blood pressure is up, stress and excitement, and etc but do also play it safe. Standard laboratory safety should be used by all of us. I intend on data logging my TPU experiments and after I get this pig up and running I'll have a look on the spectrum analyzer for anything of interest. The FCC would likely be the agency to get involved first, at least here in the states and I do have an FCC GRTOL so we need to be careful there. I'm probably going to put mine in a hole in the ground as opposed to the Faraday cage as I thought we were talking about interacting with the Earth's magnetic field. Doesn't make sense to me to shield it from the proposed source. Under a significant amount of dirt should do the trick.

Yes I've been watching and reading for a long time...........but I'm also winding and designing my lab setup...................more to follow.

Damn the hydrocarbon fuels.......damn them all. Keep up the good work everyone.  ;D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on January 07, 2007, 11:11:49 AM
Hello all,

sorry guys I cant be quiet!!

Did you ever ask yourself why we have NO POWER in our coils????
Where is the POWER???
Why cant we make even a 40W light bulb to light????
We feed into our coils 1 or 2 or 3 or even more amperes but nothing. Where is the Power gone???

The answer is in the wave (kick)!!!! You know, a wave (kick) is a very, very powerfull "Thing"!!

Otto

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrd10 on January 07, 2007, 12:59:12 PM
@Dave,

that little test from Otto, im confused by the diagram, it looks like the light bulb will light hard on, when you connect it all up.

Incase i missed something please let me know.

Dom
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrd10 on January 07, 2007, 01:10:11 PM
Ah yeh i think i did miss something, 12volts aint going to light a 40watt bulb, but whacking it with pulses, which produce kicks might.

did i just answer my own question.....lol

Dom
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 01:19:49 PM
Dom,

I dont know what its meant to do.  It will be hard on, but it will also have pulses in it.

Otto has told me that his work so far has all been for shit and it was based on this, its an example of not what do or something.  But he has something major to tell us that he realised from this circuit.

He wants us to try it first and think about it, then he will tell us his news.


D.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrd10 on January 07, 2007, 01:57:01 PM
Thanks Dave, appreciate your reply

Ive been in contact with GK and Cam, and I'm proud to be part of something greater, I have hope, and will not give up on it.

Thanks Again

Dom
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: ronotte on January 07, 2007, 02:19:44 PM
@Otto,
I did the test you suggested. The coil has been pulsed by a IRFP450 MOSFET @ 800 Hz (there is a resonance). The scope probe on the lightb-bulb (220V 60W). Power supply deliver +5V @1.5A.
Peak amplitude can be seen on the figure......I don't see any weird....am I wrong?

regards
ronotte
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 02:23:03 PM
Hi

I take it the top signal is across the bulb and these are the spikes, at 50v per div that Otto was talking about before which he thought were important.  Now he thinks or realises its all been nothing, but it lead him to something else which he is going to post soon.

If we look at his coil config for the TPU, it uses this doesnt it?


D.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: ronotte on January 07, 2007, 02:30:37 PM
@Dave
yes, the top signal is that at 50V/div (i did limit the ps voltage at +5V because the connection is direct and at the moment I've not a limiting resistor......so I'm really thinking what Otto is mumbling about....hope he will exlpain it to us poor mortals!!

ronotte
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: FuzzyLogic on January 07, 2007, 03:17:05 PM
Two things gentlemen.

GK?s headache & eye pain from the TPU reminds me of a thread in Floyd Sweet?s VTA replication topics about a year ago.


1.  Two guys were ?conditioning? a large 4? by 6? slab magnet when they both leaned over the top of it.  They both had headaches that lasted for about a week.  The weird part was their personalities went negative for a few days causing them to be short tempered & antagonistic to each other.  Strange!

2.  Floyd Sweet said that he was trying to see how much power he could draw when his VTA began making a loud noise.  His wife said she heard it several rooms away.  He immediately shut it down.

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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 03:23:19 PM
Hi Bill,

The two guys where Graham Gunderson and his flat mate at the time.  I think he left the positive end of a HV transformer which was oscillating, on the surface of a large BaFe magnet for some hours and found that after it would retain a small self oscillation, but not for long.  He reported headaches and bad moods and came to blows with his friend!

I once played around with a mobius coil and some quartz and kept getting head aches after it had been on for a while.



Regards,

Dave.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: boxofsparks on January 07, 2007, 03:40:14 PM
Hello all,

sorry guys I cant be quiet!!

Did you ever ask yourself why we have NO POWER in our coils????
Where is the POWER???
Why cant we make even a 40W light bulb to light????
We feed into our coils 1 or 2 or 3 or even more amperes but nothing. Where is the Power gone???

The answer is in the wave (kick)!!!! You know, a wave (kick) is a very, very powerfull "Thing"!!

Otto



Hi There
Maybe Otto is saying to use the Kicks to drive a separate device ie coil etc?
Just a thought...use the kicks that the TPU is kickin out.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on January 07, 2007, 04:17:50 PM
Quote
Maybe Otto is saying to use the Kicks to drive a separate device ie coil etc?
Just a thought...use the kicks that the TPU is kickin out.

 ;)
 
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on January 07, 2007, 04:24:15 PM
@Otto,
I did the test you suggested. The coil has been pulsed by a IRFP450 MOSFET @ 800 Hz (there is a resonance). The scope probe on the lightb-bulb (220V 60W). Power supply deliver +5V @1.5A.
Peak amplitude can be seen on the figure......I don't see any weird....am I wrong?

regards
ronotte
you are not using the voltage that he said to use
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: ronotte on January 07, 2007, 04:38:25 PM
@Mannix,
in the schematics posted by Otto there is a DC path direct to MOSFET Drain- ground...so if I rise voltage ....the current goes over permissible limits! (The MOSFET ON resistance is less than 0,4 ohm) so the +5 choose is an arrangement compatible with MOSFET attached heatsink.
Anyway any idea is wellcome
thanks
ronotte
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 04:44:21 PM
Hi Bill,

The two guys where Graham Gunderson and his flat mate at the time.  I think he left the positive end of a HV transformer which was oscillating, on the surface of a large BaFe magnet for some hours and found that after it would retain a small self oscillation, but not for long.  He reported headaches and bad moods and came to blows with his friend!

I once played around with a mobius coil and some quartz and kept getting head aches after it had been on for a while.



Regards,

Dave.

Morning,
I slept off the headache and pain. And doing fine, no aches. Didn't even kick my dogs, God forbid. But I will keep that test result in mind.
We are not tinkering anymore. We have crossed over to the serious dangerous zone!
Hellooo, I hurt myself and got a group warning on how to protect myself? And all kinds of vintage posters and knowledgable newbies pop up out the woodwork with great intent and concern? Thank you for that support. I am a believer. I know what I have done here and it's not the final step. But probably the most dangerous one because there is energy coming out of the ring.

SM said small steps. I now know why. This lastest ring is an excellant platform for the next step. Thank you, Steven Mark and Lindsay Mannix.

--giantkiller. It's all good.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: pese on January 07, 2007, 04:51:35 PM
@CTG

frio "this" Circuit the bulb muste give also ligth "without" pulses.
because this is connect to +12 to 13 volts.
P.

I see this wrong ?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 04:54:08 PM
Hi Pese, I know as much as you, its from Otto, not me.



D.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 05:07:15 PM
Pese,

I just got what you mean.  Yes, as Dom said, the bulb will always be on, but will have pulses in it too.

@Everyone, Otto has said that his previous work and the diagram he published is s..t, all capacitive coupling, nothing going on and this circuit is just to show that, because its what his TPU is based on.

What he also says is that he has found something else and we should be ready to drink beer.  I do not know what this something else is yet, but it was something he found after staring at this circuit and realising his mistake for which he blames himself.  But its lead to something new.  We are all waiting...


D.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on January 07, 2007, 05:23:25 PM
Pese,

I just got what you mean.  Yes, as Dom said, the bulb will always be on, but will have pulses in it too.

@Everyone, Otto has said that his previous work and the diagram he published is s..t, all capacitive coupling, nothing going on and this circuit is just to show that, because its what his TPU is based on.

What he also says is that he has found something else and we should be ready to drink beer.  I do not know what this something else is yet, but it was something he found after staring at this circuit and realising his mistake for which he blames himself.  But its lead to something new.  We are all waiting...


D.

@Dave,
           I agree

@ Otto,
             All I See is a dimley light bulb. And nothing more.. Did i pass the test?
                                     Moab
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 05:26:40 PM
GK, are you able to bury a K-type probe inside your TPU, then have a digital thermometer.  Note the temperature and the input power.  Then connect the same coil just across a variable DC supply and adjust it until you get the same temperature, then note down the DC voltage and current it took to make this heat and compare it to your original input power.  Then we can see if this heat generated takes more power to make than is running the TPU.


Regards,

Dave.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 05:37:13 PM
GK,

Gonna wind a new TPU as per yours and Ottos instructions next week.  Would you be kind enough just to re-confirm the the below details?


Garden wire is standard size and there are 6" leads coming out of the collectors.

My 555s are @ 5v the tip41a-s are @ 12v. Bias ohms are 100.

Again:

Coil diam is 6"

3 layers of:

Collector coil is garden wire, 22 turns.

Control coils are 4 segments of 30 gauge magnet wire, 200 turns on each collector.

The feedback coil is 16 gauge speaker wire (single run) wrapped around all layers in 4 segments of 17 turns.

Then interconnect the whole system by Ottos diagram.

I power the 555s @ 5v and the tip41a-s @ 12v.

Freq range is 200hz for all 3 555s.

My new power supply is 12v @ 8.25a



Regards,

Dave.

If that is the unchanged list then by all means start cookin'. I made 1 mistake, out of many, the diam is 4" not 6". Just less labor and parts. Another poster is doing a 6". Betcha that one works too.

--giantkiller
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 05:40:38 PM
@grumpy. you're right. Sloppy as hell. Been saying that all along. And I proved it.
iron came a post,
4" diam came from a post,
22 collector turns came from a post,
6" collector leads, my idea to get the connectors out terminal posts that was your idea,
TPU#3 had fat copper collectors, switched to magwire, c0mster's post, I got harmonics,
I lived and breathed Tesla patents for 2 months! When I saw the movie contact again and noticed how the design sheets for those 'RINGS' were connected. I shit my pants. That instance showed me what to do. I posted that I laid all his diags out and moved them all around till I saw the pattern I needed. And do you know what the secret was? Low turn fat copper, high turn small copper. In all his diags. Thank you Jodee Foster/Carl Sagan!

controllers of 200 hundred turns, my idea, arbitrary. Small wire it fits.
4 controller segments came from a post,
4 feedbak segments, thank you Otto. I just did it and did not ask questions.
Lampcord feedback, from multiple SM videos. 17 turns? arbitrary.

jumpered? Ottos drawing. I just followed the lines.
3x555s, mine, posted way back in September somewhere. Why use anything else? Obvious.
The controller circuit, mine, designed on a laptop flying down the highway to the VLA,
Power supply?, sitting on a shelf,
the safety cage came from a post,
the 555 drift, a number of posts. The drift is my friend. Without that I would've blown my self up. My right hand still works and I can see out of my left eye still.
I took my large wire layout and consolidated it down to a portable size. SPherenot, Dave and Joehan. Do I need it now? no. But I will and then won't have to figure it out last minute.
where did I get the freqs from? many posts and I played. Wait till you get the sweet spot! I felt it. As dangerous as it is it was the most phenonimal thing I ever felt! C0m felt it on his MT coil in a lab we did together also.

Everybody elses crap thrown together. LOL.

@all,
So until anybody gets their perfection on board with a working ring then there is no room for theory or slander. Or, ya'll go around and the kick tires all you want. I am driving down the highway to the next event.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 05:45:06 PM
GK, are you able to bury a K-type probe inside your TPU, then have a digital thermometer.  Note the temperature and the input power.  Then connect the same coil just across a variable DC supply and adjust it until you get the same temperature, then note down the DC voltage and current it took to make this heat and compare it to your original input power.  Then we can see if this heat generated takes more power to make than is running the TPU.


Regards,

Dave.
Aye on the thermometer. I'd rather watch the turkey cook than be the turkey.
Tnx
--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: boxofsparks on January 07, 2007, 05:46:42 PM
 Another poster is doing a 6". Betcha that one works too.

--giantkiller

[/quote]

Thanks for the vote of confidence GK
6" core are done and just for grins I'm 20 ga copper..thin insulated.
Working on the mag wire 200's now.
Thanks
Jon
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 06:03:00 PM
Hi all,

Its probably the layout and the connections that matter most, rather than the guage of the wire.  But for continuity better to make as close to GKs one as possible for now, then start to play.  I will knock one up as soon as I can.



D.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Hoppy on January 07, 2007, 06:30:11 PM
Would radiation be a candidate in the form of heat - lot's of it  - with an 8 amp PSU - ouch?

The heat will be greater with iron wire in the core  because of eddy current flow. Try a solid iron core and you will be able to use the TPU as a cooking plate to fry up your eggs & bacon. Yes, be very careful with EM at this level. I've had the headaches myself after very short periods and when those TPU's are squealling away, please remember the effect of high audio frequencies on any pets around.

There will be no ceremonial lighting of 100W bulbs unless that energy can be fairly efficiently induced to the secondary. An inverter will do the job better but will take most of the 8 amps. As I see things at the moment, the real challenge is still out there to replicate the master's TPU which needs no input power or perhaps just a teeny bit from a tiny battery.




Otto wrote: -

Did you ever ask yourself why we have NO POWER in our coils?
Where is the POWER???
Why cant we make even a 40W light bulb to light?
We feed into our coils 1 or 2 or 3 or even more amperes but nothing. Where is the Power gone???
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: pese on January 07, 2007, 06:55:53 PM
@GK
Garden wire (iron) have higher ohmic resistance than copper.
so it will be make heat !!

It is shure that you have more heat out, than power in to the circuit ?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 07:15:27 PM
I don't know that GK has claimed any OU in the form of heat or otherwise.  I was just asking him to perform this heat test if he can, as iron wire will get hot easily, its not really meant for circuits, its meant for tying plants up in the garden!

So, am waiting his results!


D.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 07:26:03 PM
Another poster is doing a 6". Betcha that one works too.

--giantkiller


Thanks for the vote of confidence GK
6" core are done and just for grins I'm 20 ga copper..thin insulated.
Working on the mag wire 200's now.
Thanks
Jon

So there are just 2 changes so far. A 6" diam with copper core.
Ok. So are there any changes to the controllers besides the new distance which equals more turns? And I don't think it matters.
This is the pattern i've seen: Fat wire next to very thin wire and then you adjust the freqs ad hoc. Multiple freqs give a higher collision level with fast on times. Rate also as you adjust the 3. Expulsion of energy from the cross impacting fields.
Length of wire, gauge of wire, number of fields per a given measured area. Remember what Tesla said "1200hz is a very high freq." LOL. His models incorporated high copper volume, very wide range of wire turns and what we today call 'Low freq'.  Today we work with very low copper volume and high freqs.
Radiant energy looks like conduction externally because that power can't get through the copper because of its high speed. The potential has to balance out so it goes the path of least resistance. Wow, think about that. So in these TPUs we cause the reaction magnetically and the copper can't absorb / conduct fast enough so the energy spreads out till is slows down, can you say power loss?, to a speed that the copper can conduct at. c0m & I just didn't feel heat. It has a thickness to it. Ok, so well done is tougher than medium rare. LOL.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on January 07, 2007, 07:45:15 PM
High grade car audio power cable ,maybe 8 gauge .
More than 700 strands of zero oxygen electronic
grade pure copper tined all the way through.

Buck a foot for KICKER  hyper flex wire.

Just a thought
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 07, 2007, 07:51:17 PM
Hello all,

sorry guys I cant be quiet!!

Did you ever ask yourself why we have NO POWER in our coils????
Where is the POWER???
Why cant we make even a 40W light bulb to light????
We feed into our coils 1 or 2 or 3 or even more amperes but nothing. Where is the Power gone???

The answer is in the wave (kick)!!!! You know, a wave (kick) is a very, very powerfull "Thing"!!

Otto



Well ? from what can see, if your pulse is a grounding pulse then it will do nothing.  However, if you pulse is a positive pulse then all you're doing is shoring out the coil to the plus side of the supply.

So, let's see.  Since the light bulb is lit this means that there's a magnetic filed formed in the coil.  When you short out the coil you will generate a pulse and when you let the coil charge back up you will also get a pulse.

This could work to your advantage.  Hard to predict the results.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 08:05:33 PM
I don't know that GK has claimed any OU in the form of heat or otherwise.  I was just asking him to perform this heat test if he can, as iron wire will get hot easily, its not really meant for circuits, its meant for tying plants up in the garden!

So, am waiting his results!


D.

To you and Pese. If I had used copper core my field generation would have been more dangerous? I made the next mistake for lack of control then. So let's backtrack. 555 drift, iron core, cheap pots. I feel like Alexander Graham Bell. These mis-doings were a true blessing. By using copper core now then there would be a greater field with less control. And the inverse would be better control with field limitation. Tesla used copper. Mannix said 'Don't change anything'. Maybe implied control till the freqs get figured out. And what I did is a great test platform for to play with. Just think how battered our faces would be if we ran before we crawled.

I agree with our speed of trying.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Gearhead on January 07, 2007, 08:16:00 PM

"Hello Dave,

I hope you and a few people with scopes will make the little test.

Make just a little coil.

Wind over your 2 fingers 50 turns of thin wire. Diameter is NOT important. Then connect one end to +12-13V. The other end to your MOSFET to pulse this coil.
Through this coil put a wire and connect it to the end of your coil where you pulse it. Now you have 1 end open. This end of the wire connect to a light bulb and the other end of the light bulb connect to minus.

Waiting for your results!!

Otto"


This is very similar to an automobile ignition system.  A twelve volt coil is pulsed by a set of points or electronically.  When the magnetic field collapses into the inner coil the voltage is increased from 12 to maybe 15,000 volts and is able to fire a spark plug.

The difference here is that the inner coil is not coiled but a single wire.  Hopefully the TPU uses resonance to increase the output to ou.  If it will not do this we have a dead end.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 08:20:40 PM
GK,

I agree, if it helps to reduce the effect, ie let you see it, but less dangerously then thats good.

I think what we are saying is that is heat generation in iron wire odd, no?  Is the heat generated, more than the input power?  Waiting on your test result.

Just wanted some clarification on what has been discovered because heat in a coil is expected isn't it?  Without some temperature and power readings how do you know what you have is odd?  I mean 12v at 3 amps, is going to make some heat?

Forgive me if I missed anything where you already covered this.


Best Regards,


Dave.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 08:22:37 PM
High grade car audio power cable ,maybe 8 gauge .
More than 700 strands of zero oxygen electronic
grade pure copper tined all the way through.

Buck a foot for KICKER  hyper flex wire.

Just a thought

Great! ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 08:28:51 PM
GK,

I agree, if it helps to reduce the effect, ie let you see it, but less dangerously then thats good.

I think what we are saying is that is heat generation in iron wire odd, no?  Is the heat generated, more than the input power?  Waiting on your test result.

Just wanted some clarification on what has been discovered because heat in a coil is expected isn't it?  Without some temperature and power readings how do you know what you have is odd?

Forgive me if I missed anything where you already covered this.


Best Regards,


Dave.

I don't have the radient energy detector from c0m yet. So I need to get a tuning fork and thermometer setup to do. A simple test would be to see when the sweet spot hits and look at amps at the PSU. Yeh? But the the sweet spot is very tight and the heat jacks up!

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 07, 2007, 08:34:22 PM
GK,

Just wondering, have you been able to connect a resistor on the output coil and place a scope across it?  What sort of power are you able to see?

At least we can say your input power is about 36 to 40 watts?


Thanks,

Dave.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 09:10:40 PM
GK,

Just wondering, have you been able to connect a resistor on the output coil and place a scope across it?  What sort of power are you able to see?

At least we can say your input power is about 36 to 40 watts?


Thanks,

Dave.
I scope at the meeting point of the top collector input and the watt resistor and plus scope ground. Besides, where is the load point?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on January 07, 2007, 10:49:27 PM
@GK,

Otto said from the end of the feedback coil that connects to the collectors and other end to the negative rail of the PS.

BTW, almost there, I am using all copper.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: aether22 on January 07, 2007, 10:58:18 PM
GK, I've finished winding the control coils on my GK replication TPU.

But I really need clarity on the circuit.

You have said you have 3x 100ohm 1/8 watt resistors, 3x 100 ohm 1/4 watt resistors, 6x 10 ohm 5 or 10 watt resistors (2 in parallel).

Basically I just need you to give your complete circuit, including 555 timer caps and resistors and single turn pots and all.

note: I can't get tip41a, so I got mosfets which I will drive with a push pull transistor pair.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 11:00:30 PM
@GK,

Otto said from the opposite end of the feedback coil that connectos to the collectors and the negative rail of the PS.

BTW, almost there, I am using all copper.

His diag I used has the feedback between the positive rail and all the outputs of the controllers not the collectors.

Now if CU is less resistive than FE you should get a more responsive snap which gives you a bigger faster field which gives you a faster effect which heats up the CU, Huh?

Than makes 1 iron core and 2 copper core. This ought to be interesting.

Build a cage!

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on January 07, 2007, 11:06:22 PM
I thought that the one end of the collectors (all three) are connected to one end of the feedback and the other end of the feedback was to the positive rail.

He said in his post to conenct the load to the negative rail and the connection point where the feedback coil meets the collectors.

I could of mis interpreted his post but that is what I got from it.

Yes it should be interesting..
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 11:06:09 PM
GK, I've finished winding the control coils on my GK replication TPU.

But I really need clarity on the circuit.

You have said you have 3x 100ohm 1/8 watt resistors, 3x 100 ohm 1/4 watt resistors, 6x 10 ohm 5 or 10 watt resistors (2 in parallel).

Basically I just need you to give your complete circuit, including 555 timer caps and resistors and single turn pots and all.

note: I can't get tip41a, so I got mosfets which I will drive with a push pull transistor pair.

Fast pulses from groung to +v.
100 ohms to base.
collector to Otto's coil config. The hi watters are in the diag. and the freeback straight to +12v
All the 555 resistors are 200k pots, 2 per. duty and freq. the caps are 2.2Uf
Glad you are close. Gonna stay up late? I think so!
--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 11:14:12 PM
I thought that the one end of the collectors (all three) are connected to one end of the feedback and the other end of the feedback was to the positive rail.

He said in his post to conenct the load to the negative rail and the connection point where the feedback coil meets the collectors.

I could of mis interpreted his post but that is what I got from it.

Yes it should be interesting..

Look at the diag the clockwise outputs are connected together and no where else. I thought so too. The ends are just connected togther and nowhere else. Shorted!
Get those jumps on now and then get to the next jumping.

We'll cover the load later because I don't have any negative. If you do you cancel any field generated.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: aether22 on January 07, 2007, 11:28:22 PM
Radient energy detector from c0m????????????????????????????????????
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 11:30:04 PM
And for all those watching...

"One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and from the darkness free them."

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 07, 2007, 11:31:04 PM
Radient energy detector from c0m????????????????????????????????????
yeah, he posted before in another thread. We just talked about the necessity of it due to the danger involved and the increased number of coils coming on board. I've seen preliminary tests and data gathering real time.
Comes right out of the patent office too.

--giantkiller. Keep up. 8)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: aether22 on January 08, 2007, 12:07:27 AM
Searched, but I can't find the post you refer to, I'd loooooove a radiant energy detector.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: gyulasun on January 08, 2007, 12:13:55 AM
Hi,

It seems to be here :  http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg21385/topicseen.html#msg21385

rgds
Gyula
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on January 08, 2007, 12:44:22 AM
Steven has said that using lampwire is much safer because, if harmonic perfection is reached,then the wire will just burn up....ending the units operation.

PLEASE  heed this and do not find out the hard way....

He also said that" you may not have time to get to your kill switch"..

Up untill now many people may not have taken those warnings in the context that they were given in.

As gk said ,this is the first step down a rickety path.

What he said about pure frequency may now be apparent for everybody finding "q".

GK, and all  I recomend a program called multisim 8.3.3.0 it will be useful in the long run
BTW I am not suggesting that people search for torrents!

be safe

Lindsay Mannix



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on January 08, 2007, 12:49:09 AM
I finished the control windings on my TPU_003. Feedback winding next. I still don't like the sloppy 555 R/C oscillators so I will be working on the AD9833 DDS waveform generators and pulse drivers. There are many ways to couple these waves into the TPU windings so I'll be working on some switching ckts also.  ;) ;)
Judging by the cautionary statements I have seen I believe I'll move slowly into the tuning of this critter. I used to get headaches all the time working in the TV and Microwave shop. Singing coils in the horizontal sections of a set will drive you bonkers. Radio shop work seems to make you sleepy. But both of these experiences tells me I can switch very repidly with Triodes. I'm ordering those soon.

Heat is not necessarily a bad thing! I'd sure like to disconnect the water heater from the gas line :D :D

Working toward computer synthesis and control of this device so I can place it in a safe place and still adjust and test it properly.......................................... :-X :-X

All........... Please remember that RF emission is a by product of this testing let alone the things we don't understand........................... ;D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: aether22 on January 08, 2007, 01:13:29 AM
I am of the opinion that the energies from this device can be altered to be highly beneficial, they don't have to be harmful.

However I would add that a Dr. Hans Becker made a ring device, it was something along the lines of a Slim Spurling ring wrapped with a caduceus coil, it levitated and output gamma rays.

So anyone with a gieger counter might wanna test their ring out, I have a Geiger counter that should still work when I get my TPU running.


ps. So Lindsay, you're more of a usenet guy eh? ;) joking.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 08, 2007, 01:16:13 AM
Well I just noticed something different in Otto's diag. compared to what I did. His collectors show a single turn and mine are 22 turn. Just a curious thing. I got results just the same. Not a show stopper. Go with we've designed already.

status?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Spherenot on January 08, 2007, 01:18:25 AM
Thoughts on Question Control & Information Management at Overunity

I was just reading starcruiser's  reply #54.  He mentions his copper-core TPU.  I wonder about the specific wire size and specification, and how many turns.

I want to ask a question but I feel that I should go back over EVERYTHING starcruiser has posted all over the various SM threads BEFORE I ask, spending my time to insure that I do not waste his time reposting the same data.

Others, I have noticed, do not take the same precaution.  I see GK posting the same answers to the same questions.  Getting a little old, GK?

So, I am wondering, what would be a better way.  Then I realized that we can edit our own posts.  Bingo!

I propose making the first post of any thread the common information source.

Now that GK has his own thread that he started, he has total control of the first post.  I propose that he edit his first post with FAQ answers and any new, or old, necessary attachments.

When starcruiser, or whomever finds the second ring, feels that he is ready for his own thread then he can do likewise.

It is an easy method requiring nothing from our moderator.  If anyone has a question then they will be expected to look at the one place, the first post, for the answer before asking the question, possibly again.

Just running it up the flagpole.  Salute it or shoot at it.  Just trying to help everyone out.  The inquisitive will have quicker access to basic replication data and the experts should have more time by not re-answering the same old questions.  If TPU waves make them unstable then the same questions asked time and time again could push them over the edge.  Nobody wants that.  ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Spherenot on January 08, 2007, 01:22:20 AM
Sorry, my geek.  :-[

This is my 42nd post here at overunity.com.
42: the answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe, and everything.   :D

Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy
Douglas Adams, R.I.P.  :'(

(I loved, Marvin, the paranoid android: "I think you ought to know I'm feeling very depressed.  Pardon me for breathing, which I never do any way so I don't know why I bother to say it, oh God, I'm so depressed.  Funny, how just when you think life can't possibly get any worse it suddenly does.  I'm not getting you down at all, am I?  Do you want me to sit in the corner and rust, or just fall apart where I'm standing?  Would you like me to go and stick my head in a bucket of water?"  Good stuff.)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on January 08, 2007, 01:33:01 AM
Yes, I to think organization is a good idea at this point .

**Good post Spherenot **
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 08, 2007, 02:06:52 AM
Yes, I to think organization is a good idea at this point .

**Good post Spherenot **

I am on it.
I think I will just locate docos and just stick them in as I find them and organize the post as I go along and build like a web page.

Thanks.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Spherenot on January 08, 2007, 02:33:54 AM
...and organize the post as I go along and build like a web page.
"That's whatI'mtalkin'bout, Willis!" -D.S.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: aether22 on January 08, 2007, 03:26:43 AM
GK, The thing is, with a 2.2uf cap which you reported you used, and 2x 200kohm pots, the pots both need to be set around the 1k level to get the frequencies you talk about, which must mean you have a hell of a time tuning these things in as the range of frequencies you report are all within the first .5%-.1% of the pot range.

So is it possible you caps are a different value? what type are they also.

And one of your caps you mentioned way 4.7uf (or 4 something) which makes it even worse.

EDIT: 2.2 nf would fit rather well.
EDIT2: Oops, no it's minimum freq would be about 1khz, 22nf would be fine though.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mflynn44 on January 08, 2007, 06:35:29 PM
GK, The thing is, with a 2.2uf cap which you reported you used, and 2x 200kohm pots, the pots both need to be set around the 1k level to get the frequencies you talk about, which must mean you have a hell of a time tuning these things in as the range of frequencies you report are all within the first .5%-.1% of the pot range.

So is it possible you caps are a different value? what type are they also.

And one of your caps you mentioned way 4.7uf (or 4 something) which makes it even worse.

EDIT: 2.2 nf would fit rather well.
EDIT2: Oops, no it's minimum freq would be about 1khz, 22nf would be fine though.

I'm using 10nf and 10K pots with my 555 setup. We really need better documentation.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 08, 2007, 06:43:38 PM
GK, The thing is, with a 2.2uf cap which you reported you used, and 2x 200kohm pots, the pots both need to be set around the 1k level to get the frequencies you talk about, which must mean you have a hell of a time tuning these things in as the range of frequencies you report are all within the first .5%-.1% of the pot range.

So is it possible you caps are a different value? what type are they also.

And one of your caps you mentioned way 4.7uf (or 4 something) which makes it even worse.

EDIT: 2.2 nf would fit rather well.
EDIT2: Oops, no it's minimum freq would be about 1khz, 22nf would be fine though.

I'm using 10nf and 10K pots with my 555 setup. We really need better documentation.

There are 2 famous quotes:
'There are many ways to get there' and 'This thing is sloppy'.  ;)
I have posted explicits on the 1st page per the instructions given me to do so.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on January 08, 2007, 10:31:43 PM
Well done, keep your lab tighty and organized
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: EMdevices on January 08, 2007, 11:37:10 PM
Congratulations GiantKiller, and also very nice organization suggestion Spherenot.  I like it!

One suggestion if I may,

How about posting the results observed?   Vibrations, heat, etc...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: lancaIV on January 08, 2007, 11:59:40 PM
Probably a magnet field observation during process could help !

S
  dL
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: dani1 on January 09, 2007, 01:12:18 AM
GK, did you made a test with a photo plate?

I hope you do NOT get such results:
http://images.google.de/images?svnum=10&hl=de&lr=&q=r%C3%B6ntgen

..dani
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dingus Mungus on January 09, 2007, 01:35:11 AM
I wonder if there is a way to meassure if there is any A/B/G/X rays being emmited... I think you need a filiment of some sort to emmit those rays, but I guess one can never be too safe.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 09, 2007, 05:28:43 AM
I am hooking 'My precious' back into the circuit. We took a little walk today.
I am attaching a tuning fork to it like I was instructed to do.
Testing will commence shortly.


Here goes:
At the low freqs, tuning fork no good. @ 13K tuning fork no good. But coil sings hi pitch. Coil get very warm.
I feel a slight pressure on my ear drums. Probably from the hi pitch. I get earplugs. Stick ear plugs on coil. Feel much better now. Coil lookin good!
Lay tuning fork across coil @ 13K, fork no talk. Put fork on tongue. Guess what?

I can use the scope to track harmonics and that will let me do an amperage check 'on sync' and 'off sync'.

On resonance @ 13k, Ampmeter @ PSU says 2.18a +150v p2p. -10v visible.

@ any resonance point the coil gets hot but the amps are around 2.03 - 2.06 and the volts are 130 - 190. But here is the thing when the coil is off resonance it looks more like a short and the amps go up to 2.25.

So here is my take with the sloppy pots, the coil seems to work like a normal transformer. You can hit the impedance level with the freqs. All harmonics show hi volts. On average it looks like 300 watt draw. But this device puts out kicks like a stun gun, but no sparks. Adjusting the harmonic range speeds up the kicks, naturally. But you can feel other things with your hand. Oops, that was the other day.
But on the coil @2k the coil gets the hotest. prob the 4" diam. but the amps = 1.92 which is the lowest.
No, at 500hz harmonic I get .92 amp, 140v, and a very hot coil. Ok I touched it, i'm sorry. But I left it in its cage, really. I won't do it again. But this is the best yet. Hot coil, good voltage, lowest wattage.
Could somebody please step up and back me up with their tests? Am I the only one? Ok I am going have to change my name to THX1138.

But wait, So now I do Rock and roll test:
freq a: 3.4k
freq b: 3.4k
freq c: 3.4k
130v spikes out 70usec cycle width. Produces a magnetic ball radius of 12". How do I find this out? I turn on big BOSE power tower, turn up loud,  hold axe next to coil. Now whole neighborhood know I doing freakazoid experiments. House shake big time. I adjust freqs. Hmm, me sound better than Jimi Hendrix. Could be that waves affecting my judgement.
So the Rock -n- roll test goes on for 1/2 hour. 130 volt spikes, coil warm to the touch, ooh I'm sorry, 0.61a. steady. After ready Grumpy's statement today, it made me think that I need to just pick off the kicks externally. So if you can get a nice stable stream of kicks then you have generated consistancy. And that I should be able to induct off? I bought some great 8 gauge audio cable to wrap the coil with to get a ring. ;)

An hour later and wouldn't ya know it. The Rock -n- roll continues to perform very stable.
coil is a little warm.
I have been sitting next to the circuit powered on for 2 hours and now no head pain except for the headbanging while my coil played the guitar! But the biggest news is that the screen cage works! The heck with the rest, I got safety, Jack! Thank you for the post for that.

This was with 3 seperate clocks.
But I have to change the pots out for finer control before anymore testing on this bench.

Stay tuned when next time giantkiller says 'I now put in 1 clock for parallel feed'. Oooh. The crowd roars and he takes a bow as the curtain closes.

As long as I am a one man show guess I run the show? No fun playing alone! Need friends!

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Spherenot on January 09, 2007, 05:45:59 AM
Stick ear plugs on coil.
And how shall we stick thine ear plugs on thee coil, oh great one?

Quote from: giantkiller
...fork no talk. Put fork on tongue. Guess what?
Fork tongue.

You slay me.  :D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 09, 2007, 06:07:12 AM
Look ma! Baby's first words! kick,kick,kick,kick,kick,kick,kick.
Why he got your turns PA! Yep he's a real perfomer this one is...
Ya know ma? I think he just waved,waved,waved at us!

12 volts @ .61amps

50usec / div,  20v / div.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 09, 2007, 06:06:28 AM
Stick ear plugs on coil.
And how shall we stick thine ear plugs on thee coil, oh great one?

Quote from: giantkiller
...fork no talk. Put fork on tongue. Guess what?
Fork tongue.

You slay me.  :D
I didn't say in your eyes, dude!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrd10 on January 09, 2007, 09:42:55 AM
Hey GK,

Is your coil powering an amp?
Or you using a mic to pick up the noise coming from the coil, and amplifying that.

Thanks,

Dom
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: HMM on January 09, 2007, 09:57:44 AM
 

good job GK nice scope shot

but now can you light a 60w with that?


Mike
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on January 09, 2007, 10:21:37 AM
Hi all,

Somebody said that  "It is only a matter of time before somebody blows themselves up!"

GK.. slow down a bit mate....let a few others catch up..and Please ..GK what are u using to kill the frequencies?...

Steven has said that auto over voltage cutout is the only way to prevent real danger!

I suggest that we concentrate on a good `cut out method at this point..before trying to get more because if you do reach it you will never have time to reach the manual kill switch..

PLEASE incorporate this in your designs....this is a research project.

Danger present and real..

GK has said this .... Please take it seriously.


Now lets get a good, fast, overvoltage frequency cut off circuit.
If one of you stops writing we will may not wonder what has happened.


Lindsay Mannix
 
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 09, 2007, 10:55:02 AM
GK and all!

Please forgive me if I am being dumb here, as you know I am no expert in these things.

You just said you are putting 300 watts in and you have heat?

Am I the only one who thinks this is an expected result?  What have I missed and what has been discovered here?  I am assuming something has been because you are all very excited, perhaps its gone over my head?  Someone please educate me!


Regards,

Dave.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrd10 on January 09, 2007, 11:16:33 AM
Hi Lindsay,

for protection what do you think about these polyswitches:- http://www.jaycar.com.au/productResults.asp?FORM=KEYWORD, they cut out when current reaches critical.

Cheers,

Dom
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrd10 on January 09, 2007, 11:32:30 AM
oops sorry, here are the hits on jaycar website on fuses:- http://www.jaycar.com.au/productResults.asp?whichpage=1&pagesize=10&keywords=fuse&CATID=&SUBCATID=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&SPECIAL=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=

there are many like quickblow fuses and temp switches, etc

Thanks,

Dom
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on January 09, 2007, 11:41:32 AM
For over voltage protection you would need a fuse and a crow bar.
typically http://www.kbt-dc-supplies.com/crowbar.php
But search google with "crowbar circuit".

AM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrd10 on January 09, 2007, 11:55:29 AM
Hi All,

Lol, while checking out this cool website i found something here that looks great:-

http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=TD2055&CATID=&keywords=fuse&SPECIAL=&form=KEYWORD&ProdCodeOnly=&Keyword1=&Keyword2=&pageNumber=&priceMin=&priceMax=&SUBCATID=

    
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- Capacitor check
- Diode check
- Transister check
- Globe/relay/fuse/speaker/resistor check
- Locating broken wire
- Picks up static radiation of TV or monitor   <---this is what it does also
- Instantaniously checks AC power
- Earth disconnection check

"Smart" screwdriver is the latest in hi-tech test screwdrivers.It allows you to check / test the following safely:

- AC voltages: Contact method from 70 to 250V AC Non contact method from 70 to 250V AC
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- Polarity check 1.5V to 36V DC
- Microwave leak detector greater or equal to 5MW/CM2
- Wrong mains connection check
- Check operating condition of negative Ion generators
- It is also a screwdriver!!!
- Supplied with comprehensive instructions
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on January 09, 2007, 12:38:24 PM
GK and all!

Please forgive me if I am being dumb here, as you know I am no expert in these things.

You just said you are putting 300 watts in and you have heat?

Am I the only one who thinks this is an expected result?  What have I missed and what has been discovered here?  I am assuming something has been because you are all very excited, perhaps its gone over my head?  Someone please educate me!



Regards,

Dave.


Dave............I expect alot of heat when consuming 300 Watts in a small device. I don't think anyone is claiming discovery, just foward motion with this project. GK is getting results that seem to be in line with what Lindsay and the Silent One say. I will be very impressed with myself when I can induce longitudinal waves in my copper cores from windings oriented at 90 degrees to them.

I will also be quite impressed if the permanent magnets stay magnetized permanently when exposed to AC fields and heat. I have to look back and see where these scope shots are being taken from.

Slow and steady progress will allow for a realatively safe environment and learning. I personally will not be satisfied until I can tell the energy GIANTS to FO. But that is my personal goal. If I get there you will all get a copy of the "Plans". I will not discourage anyone's efforts and I allplaud you all for having the balls to even start looking for solutions to the energy issues we all face together.

My synth chips are enroute.......my PCB will be next............TPU_004 will be wound exactly as GK and Otto have posted. Cosistent KICK is the goal for our class at this point, I believe, firing up the 200Amp service without the electric company will have to wait a bit.

Regards and good testing.......Gentlemen................. ;D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 09, 2007, 12:47:16 PM
Hi,

These spikes are created by electrostatic coupling.  Everyone knows there is no magnetic coupling at 90 degrees, but we also know there is electrostatic coupling.  There is no mythical longitudinal EM waves involved to make this?!

I am just not sure what advancement has been made?  Those spikes are what we have all seen while testing and are due to known capacitive coupling.

GK, are you able to confirm any weight loss or the gyroscopic feel?  Have you been able to perform the power in to heat out test?


Regards,

D.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: FatBird on January 09, 2007, 03:56:15 PM
First, I think we all should give GIANT Kudos to GK for his perseverance in his work & for sharing his findings, diagrams, photos, & work with the world.

I am just a dumb ?newby? here, but it looks like Otto?s schematic is flawed (shorted out).  No offense Otto.  I strongly suspect that this is why GK?s TPU is over heating.

If you look close at Otto?s diagram:

1.  There isn?t any Collector Power output terminals to attach a Load to.  SM?s units did have Load Terminals where he connected light bulbs, etc.

2.   The Collector Wires on all 3 Coils (Top, Middle, & Bottom) are all feeding other Control Wires & other Collector wires.  It appears to me that all of the Collected Power is ?backing up? & is being expended on the TPU itself, thus causing overheating & a possible dangerous condition.


Just a dumb ?newby? trying to help out.
Regards.


.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: EMdevices on January 09, 2007, 04:39:19 PM
I'm with you ctglabs,  no offence GK but the results seem to be "ordinary".  You have done good work though, nice coil and set up.

The spikes posted by GK are from powering and then turning off a coil, and we see the kickback which builds the high voltage spike. 

What are the unusual phenomena though?  Is it strange vibrations?  Is it striking some sort of resonance that makes everything shake?  Is it heat?

I know you're excited GK,  but for the advancement of the art, let's approach one observation at a time and investigate it in detail.

EM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Hoppy on January 09, 2007, 05:05:22 PM
GK and all!

Please forgive me if I am being dumb here, as you know I am no expert in these things.

You just said you are putting 300 watts in and you have heat?

Am I the only one who thinks this is an expected result?  What have I missed and what has been discovered here?  I am assuming something has been because you are all very excited, perhaps its gone over my head?  Someone please educate me!


Regards,

Dave.


I too am not surprised by this heat generated. It's not difficult to make a 40W or 60W light bulb glow using this amount of wire with a 'hot' air cored transformer using an 8 amp 12V supply and pulsed current. I've done it several times.

When someone does eventually get the lamp to glow don't take too much notice of what your amp meters are reading as load current because we hopefully all know the difficulties in accurately measuring pulsed DC current in complex waveforms. However the heat is a good guide and the hotter your TPU becomes, the more current you will be pulling from the PSU - no kidding. The magic happens when you can reduce the input current and maintain the lamp glowing. I've not done it yet but I live in hope that it can be done as we all do. SM has either got his running on little / nothing or pure bulls....Time will tell.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on January 09, 2007, 07:59:27 PM
All,

Well it sounds to me that at 3.4Khz he is drawing .61 amps from a 12vdc source, this works out to be 7.32 watts with an output of 130V. The next test is can we use this 130v to power anything?

@GK,

I tried to replicate your experiement but have not gotten any real results so far. I am reviewing my signal sources and thinking I need to replace my output transistors. I put 100 ohm resistors for biasing the transistors and put in a 100 ohm (1/2 watt) for current limiting (this is from the positive rail to the feedback coil). Current is limited to less than 370mA at its worst. The 100 ohm current limiting resistor gets warm (expected) but the kicks are less than 2vpp.

I will continue testing tonight after I change the drivers, this will allow me to increase the current to the TPU.

Test setup overview....

My test setup uses a 12vdc 5Ah battery with a DVM in series (using the 10A setting) to monitor the current draw.

My signal source is 3 dual 555 timer chips (NE556), only one clock is used at the moment. I planned on using the second clock for pulse shaping if required.

TImer 1 outputs from 2.8Khz to well over 6Khz

Timer 2 outputs from 28Khz upto 190Khz

Timer 3 outputs from 28Khz upto 190Khz

Driver transistors are used as GK and Otto have them wired (switched Ground) and the collector is connected to the signal points on Otto's TPU diagram. THe current limiting resistor is placed between the Feedback coil and the positive 12v rail.

Test point is between the control coil to feedback coil connect point and the negative rail. I am using a 13k resistor for a load, I may try a larger value later in my testing.

I am thinking my current test results are being affected by the TIP31 transistors, thus my change tonight to a faster and higher current device.

More to come
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 09, 2007, 08:12:12 PM
Hi Carl,

Have you wound a new TPU like GK's?

Can you lower the current limiting resistors to 2x10ohm like GK so the setup can be identical?



Regards,

D.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on January 09, 2007, 08:23:26 PM
so he is using 5 Ohm's for his current limiting. OK I can do that. My TPU is very clode to his but not exactly like his.

Mine is:

COllectors  15 turns of 16AWG stranded 6" coil

COntrol coils are 170 turns 26 AWG with a spacing of about 1/2" between coils.

Feedback coils cover the control coil segments, they are all in series right now.

SO you can see my TPU is not exactly like GK's or Otto's but it is close but all copper.

I was originally making a single loop collector but ran into a problem, I forgot to take into account the wire movement of the collector when trying to bend it (I had taped it before wrapping the control coils on it.

I still plan on making a New TPU with a single loop collector and want to use 30AWG controls with 16 AWG feedback, this is my next incarnation.

Anyhow, on the current test bed I need to change out the driver transistors tonight then I will find out what output I can achieve and if it matches GK's or Otto's (Or even comes close).
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 09, 2007, 08:49:51 PM
so he is using 5 Ohm's for his current limiting. OK I can do that. My TPU is very clode to his but not exactly like his.

Mine is:

COllectors  15 turns of 16AWG stranded 6" coil

COntrol coils are 170 turns 26 AWG with a spacing of about 1/2" between coils.

Feedback coils cover the control coil segments, they are all in series right now.

SO you can see my TPU is not exactly like GK's or Otto's but it is close but all copper.

I was originally making a single loop collector but ran into a problem, I forgot to take into account the wire movement of the collector when trying to bend it (I had taped it before wrapping the control coils on it.

I still plan on making a New TPU with a single loop collector and want to use 30AWG controls with 16 AWG feedback, this is my next incarnation.

Anyhow, on the current test bed I need to change out the driver transistors tonight then I will find out what output I can achieve and if it matches GK's or Otto's (Or even comes close).

Copper:
depending on the cross section I.E. gauge. The quote "there are many ways to solve this' means lots of copper paths not lots of copper volume in the path. lots of paths means lots of magnetic fields to get excited. We are aiming at the stress from electrons aligning not the fields themselves. Think of it that way. I made the most dramatic advance when I changed to this way of thinking. I saw the results from c0msters hand wound coil demo and it clicked for me. So i went with that. And that is how I came up with my controls. It also lined up with alot of Tesla diagrams. Big copper, few loops to small copper lots of turns. Does any of this come the standard way of thinking? No. We are not doing standard things!
You have made great progress so far. Up your current to see other things.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on January 10, 2007, 12:02:39 AM
Thanks GK,

I have copper as well.


I want to offer an analogy.

Imagine that way back when man first discovered fire.

There were those who knew how to do it but didnt understand it..there were those who probably thought they understood it but didnt know how to do it.

We are all in this with a bit of both going on and the similaraties are there.

The trouble is that we dont know where the petrol is...and how much.

I suggest a series relay (4pole..3 used)that will cut of all frquencies at the same time ,connected to an over voltage detect corciut that is variable..eg ...getting 20 volts...then set to 30...tune.....click!........set to 40....tune ...click.
I hope you get the idea.

It will need to be an active circuit. shorting the coils may not work...so in series with the drive will be  best.

using electronic devices to switch this may not work IE polyswitches. The type of current and voltage that becomes present is not what many devices are designed to see.

CONDISER THIS A DEVICE THAT MAY PREVENT PERSONAL INJURY


Lindsay Mannix


 
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 10, 2007, 12:41:54 AM
Thanks GK,

I have copper as well.


I want to offer an analogy.

Imagine that way back when man first discovered fire.

There were those who knew how to do it but didnt understand it..there were those who probably thought they understood it but didnt know how to do it.

We are all in this with a bit of both going on and the similaraties are there.

The trouble is that we dont know where the petrol is...and how much.

I suggest a series relay (4pole..3 used)that will cut of all frquencies at the same time ,connected to an over voltage detect corciut that is variable..eg ...getting 20 volts...then set to 30...tune.....click!........set to 40....tune ...click.
I hope you get the idea.

It will need to be an active circuit. shorting the coils may not work...so in series with the drive will be  best.

using electronic devices to switch this may not work IE polyswitches. The type of current and voltage that becomes present is not what many devices are designed to see.

CONDISER THIS A DEVICE THAT MAY PREVENT PERSONAL INJURY


Lindsay Mannix


 

I was thinking of opamp voltage level detection with the single pole relay connected from the +12 to the feedback relay. But my concern now is that when the relay breaks contact then I have the coil acting as an open ended transmission line in a runaway state. I could try disconnecting that first just to see, but I don't have the runaway state.
No shortcuts, eh?
I can still use the level detector.

tnx, giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on January 10, 2007, 01:05:57 AM
Spark gap would short to ground at an approximate voltage or anything over that:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/hv/paschen.htm

Also, see section "spark gaps as protection devices":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_gap  (spark plug is cheap and already built just adjust the gap)


disclaimer:
Just throwing this out there.  Not saying it is required, right, wrong, or will even work.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 10, 2007, 02:28:52 AM
Spark gap would short to ground at an approximate voltage or anything over that:

http://home.earthlink.net/~jimlux/hv/paschen.htm

Also, see section "spark gaps as protection devices":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spark_gap  (spark plug is cheap and already built just adjust the gap)


disclaimer:
Just throwing this out there.  Not saying it is required, right, wrong, or will even work.


That is an easy try! Tnx.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: allcanadian on January 10, 2007, 02:53:27 AM
I see we thinking the same thing, I just found this on a search.

?Summary of The Electro-Radiant Even

1. The Electro-Radiant Event is produced when a high-voltage, direct current is discharged across a spark-gap and interrupted abruptly before any reversals of current can occur

2. This effect is greatly increased when the source of direct current is a charged capacitor.

3. The Electro-Radiant Event leaves wires and other circuit components perpendicular to the flow of current.

4. The Electro-Radiant Event produces a spatially distributed voltage that can be thousands of times higher than the initial spark discharge voltage.

5. It propagates instantaneously as a longitudinal, electrostatic ?light-like ray? that behaves similarly to an incompressible gas under pressure.

6. Electro-Radiant effects are solely characterized by impulse duration and voltage drop in the spark-gap

7. Electro-Radiant effects penetrate all materials and create ?electronic responses? in metals like copper and silver. In this case, ?electronic responses? means that an electrical charge will build up on copper surfaces exposed to Electro-Radiant emissions.

8. Electro-Radiant impulses shorter than 100 microseconds are completely safe to handle and will not shock or cause harm.

9. Electro-Radiant impulses shorter than 100 nanoseconds are cold and easily cause lighting effects in vacuum globes.?



My thinking is there is no way to get around the fact there are two coils 90 Degrees apart, movement of charge(electrostatic)- radiant event like Edwin Gray and Tesla used is the only way I can think of. This means current rise and fall times must be extremely small and abrupt, which semiconductors probably will not handle well. To Giantkiller--- I read as well that longer durations or impulses can be BAD for you.
I do not think FET's or 555's will do the job here, notice the time function mentioned above - 100 nanoseconds at probably hundreds of amps.

I found a good analogy for this, something called a water hammer pump. A long pipe carries moving water and a valve on the end opens and closes abruptly. When the valve closes the momentum of all the water in the pipe is converted to pressure at the valve,this opens a check valve and high pressure water is ejected-from a low pressure source.    Now---- imagine a wire or coil with current(water) flowing in it and the switch is opened abruptly-valve on end is closed. With nowhere to go the energy will burst from the wire(pipe). It will always move perpendicular to the source outward, BUT ----it will only do so if there is enough current flow(momentum) and only if the switching is extremely abrupt. I don't think any of these conditions have been met from what I have read, But damn I think your getting close.
Super fast switching- no reversal may be the ticket

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on January 10, 2007, 04:25:40 AM
Radiant Energy - Turbo wasn't full of crap after all.

Damn fine summary.

Many ways to capture it.  Many ways to create.

Semiconductors can switch fast enough, but are  not perfect switches.  What is different between tubes and semiconductors?  What do their pulses look like?  What did Tesla say was required for the effect to manifest?

What is in the center of SM's large coils - two toroids, some capacitors?  Pulse transformer - capacitors dumping - just like TAO said - about the capacitors at least.

Tesla's patent has a capacitor, he found that the effect was greatly improved with a capacitor -where did he place it?  The electrolitic capacitor (like a cylinder) on Turbo's board could for the oscillator, or could serve another purpose.

Like Ahura said, understand what it is you want to collect, and then develop a way to collect it.





Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on January 10, 2007, 10:18:29 AM
Hello all,

if you dont know whats the fastest switch in the world I will say you:

Its just the discharging of a capacitor!! Without anything else!!!

Charge a capacitor then short his connections. BUUUUM!

Otto
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on January 10, 2007, 12:19:32 PM
YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT ANY THING TO SHORT OUT ANYWHERE!

This would just make it much ,much worse.

OPEN CIRCUIT... I suggest that there is nothing but a relay that will do this.

In series with control inputs ,  three poles....opening the circuit!

Any body who gets the klicks should stop....and check that their over voltage cut off is set at a safe level.

If you do not follow this I sincerely suggest that you do not mess with the tpu..

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on January 10, 2007, 03:57:56 PM
A capacitor will charge to a certain voltage level and then not take anymore charge - essentially switching off.


Quote
MANNIX:
YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT WANT ANY THING TO SHORT OUT ANYWHERE!

Mannix - want to share a little with them about this?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Vortex1 on January 10, 2007, 05:18:25 PM
Quote
A capacitor will charge to a certain voltage level and then not take anymore charge - essentially switching off.

Actually, with a constant current a capacitor will continue to charge past it's rated voltage until corona effects either limit further charging or, if the charging current is high enough, cause dielectric breakdown and failure of the device.

You know you are getting close to failure by examining the noise on top of the charge (corona noise). or the sharp increase in current if slowly ramping up from a voltage source.

Some dielectric materials are self healing and can recover from small punctures. Others fail catastrophically.

I work as a consultant to High Energy Corp, manufacturer of high voltage ceramic and wound foil capacitors.  http://www.highenergycorp.com
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on January 10, 2007, 05:29:23 PM
Thanks Vortex1.  Everything has it's limitations.

This form of energy is not "current" in the classical sense, it's what you get just before the current flows - before the charge carriers start to move - per the explanations of radiant energy researchers such as Bedini and Tesla.

By what ever means - you want to relax the field - stop the reaction - whatever you want to call it - before it becomes a problem.  Did every see the post about SM and the little meetiong he had about the device being used as a weapon of destruction?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on January 10, 2007, 05:37:45 PM
Grumpy,
Even a simple rock can be used in a destructive manner. I wonder if the first people who came up with a knife debated so much about it's destructive power.

AM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on January 10, 2007, 05:51:07 PM
I was just implying that it should not be left unattended unless protected from itself.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 10, 2007, 06:40:36 PM


I was thinking of opamp voltage level detection with the single pole relay connected from the +12 to the feedback relay. But my concern now is that when the relay breaks contact then I have the coil acting as an open ended transmission line in a runaway state. I could try disconnecting that first just to see, but I don't have the runaway state.
No shortcuts, eh?
I can still use the level detector.

tnx, giantkiller.
[/quote]

You can use an MOV or zener as your trip sensor.  When the voltage goes over the threshold then it can trip a relay latch system that cuts the power to your supply.

Use a small micro power 5V relay as your trip relay that runs a bigger power relay.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 10, 2007, 06:52:34 PM


I was thinking of opamp voltage level detection with the single pole relay connected from the +12 to the feedback relay. But my concern now is that when the relay breaks contact then I have the coil acting as an open ended transmission line in a runaway state. I could try disconnecting that first just to see, but I don't have the runaway state.
No shortcuts, eh?
I can still use the level detector.

tnx, giantkiller.
*******************


You can use an MOV or zener as your trip sensor.  When the voltage goes over the threshold then it can trip a relay latch system that cuts the power to your supply.

Use a small micro power 5V relay as your trip relay that runs a bigger power relay.

Tnx. The relay is what I am going to do.
Be cheaper than fuses at this point.

Last night I coiled(7 turns, doesn't matter) 8 gauge Easyflow audio cable inside my GK4 (TPU#4)and brought both ends out in parallel. I then touched my 1st finger to one end and my favorite finger to the other end. When I changed freqs I notice little random muscle contractions in my lower outer arm at different places. Random though, but there is an application of some sorts.
Just sit in the control seat, turn it on and go to phenominal places on an amazing journey!

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 10, 2007, 07:04:46 PM


My thinking is there is no way to get around the fact there are two coils 90 Degrees apart, movement of charge(electrostatic)- radiant event like Edwin Gray and Tesla used is the only way I can think of. This means current rise and fall times must be extremely small and abrupt, which semiconductors probably will not handle well. To Giantkiller--- I read as well that longer durations or impulses can be BAD for you.
I do not think FET's or 555's will do the job here, notice the time function mentioned above - 100 nanoseconds at probably hundreds of amps.

I found a good analogy for this, something called a water hammer pump. A long pipe carries moving water and a valve on the end opens and closes abruptly. When the valve closes the momentum of all the water in the pipe is converted to pressure at the valve,this opens a check valve and high pressure water is ejected-from a low pressure source.    Now---- imagine a wire or coil with current(water) flowing in it and the switch is opened abruptly-valve on end is closed. With nowhere to go the energy will burst from the wire(pipe). It will always move perpendicular to the source outward, BUT ----it will only do so if there is enough current flow(momentum) and only if the switching is extremely abrupt. I don't think any of these conditions have been met from what I have read, But damn I think your getting close.
Super fast switching- no reversal may be the ticket



MOSFETs will turn on and off in a matter of nanoseconds.  An IRF 840 will have a switching on/off time of about 20 nanoseconds.  This should be good enough.  You just need a precision pulse generator.  You need to control your frequency and duration parameters more precisely.  A 555 timer will not give you the rise and fall times that you need unless you pump its output through a MOSFET driver, and even then your not going to get the duration control that you need.


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 10, 2007, 08:13:50 PM
GK,

Here is my new TPU as close to your specs as I could.  I am not sure what no this one is, I think its TPU v7.0, but I lost count of of how many I made so its the GK version!


D.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 10, 2007, 09:25:47 PM
GK,

Here is my new TPU as close to your specs as I could.  I am not sure what no this one is, I think its TPU v7.0, but I lost count of of how many I made so its the GK version!


D.

Wire it from Otto's diagram and pump it up! Tweak the freqs and make it sing. It's pretty hard not make it work. And yes, I used 10 ohm 10watts, 2 in parallel (5 ohms) for each frequency input line.

Cool, --giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Hoppy on January 10, 2007, 10:19:22 PM
GK

Can you get any glow from a 40W / 60W light bulb as a load on the collector coil and if so how much current are you drawing from your PSU? If no, can you run any other load from the collector? Also, what is your running current with no load?

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 10, 2007, 11:57:33 PM
GK

Can you get any glow from a 40W / 60W light bulb as a load on the collector coil and if so how much current are you drawing from your PSU? If no, can you run any other load from the collector? Also, what is your running current with no load?



I have not hooked in anything to harvest the kicks fully. My direction is to implement safety, then apply tuning, I believe kick harvest fits in right here, then drive a load. The GK4 is not ready as a power source yet because it is not tuned which requires a firewall so to speak.
If I was to tune without safety I would not get the support of others in this endeavor here. They wouldn't need to me support because I would just blow myself up ahead of time. Makes sense don't it?

--giantkiller. 'I know Kung Fu'

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 11, 2007, 02:59:32 AM
Spoon boy: Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth.
Neo: What truth?
Spoon boy: There is no spoon.
Neo: There is no spoon?
Spoon boy: Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: MrMag on January 11, 2007, 03:55:45 AM
GK,

I think I missed something somewhere along the line. The way you were jumping around and praising yourself, I thought that you were running your house off of the TPU unit. You mean you didn't even hook up a light bulb to see if it would glow?? I don't know about you, but I think it would be the first thing I tried. ??? ??? ??? ???

Tim
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 11, 2007, 04:11:53 AM
GK,

I think I missed something somewhere along the line. The way you were jumping around and praising yourself, I thought that you were running your house off of the TPU unit. You mean you didn't even hook up a light bulb to see if it would glow?? I don't know about you, but I think it would be the first thing I tried. ??? ??? ??? ???

Tim
That level of completion is not designed in yet. The list is in a previous post. I just bought the relays for the runaway firewall and am doing the logistics of where on my boards they will go.
OBTW, because I followed orders, now I am just having fun. My level of happiness was one of immense gratitude to others.
Build one.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 11, 2007, 01:58:48 PM
GK,

Terminals now finished, we are ready to rock and roll!



D.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 11, 2007, 03:44:47 PM
Ok, GK,

All wired and ready to be fired!


D.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Thedane on January 11, 2007, 05:20:04 PM
Hi,

I've been following this interesting thread for a couple of days now.
I can't say that I have the definite answer to why the units can kick, but take a look at the attached scans from my physics book.

To me it sounds like it is "just" the wires attracting/repelling each other that causes the unit to vibrate/kick. There are no "magic" in that - unfortunately  >:(

Another thing that baffels me is that some drives the coils way too hard. If the coils are pulsed with square signals you will have a LOT of harmonic signals on the secondary side of the transformer. (Yes, you will have a magnetic coupling between the primary, secondary and all other coils within its flux lines. An ideal square signal consists of every odd harmonic you can think of, which could be the reason the coil(s) heats up)

The video is proof that electricity isn't something to be toyed with  ;D
More fun stuff at: http://ee.stlcc.info/movies/
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 11, 2007, 05:20:49 PM
@Dave,
Hi,
So that is CTG7? This must the pocket version. Very, very nice. I will be interested in the specs diff based upon your size change(3"?) with iron core. This will show important results!
Great job, Dave!


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 11, 2007, 05:23:51 PM
This site gets wacky during posting sometimes :D


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: allcanadian on January 11, 2007, 06:49:09 PM
Here is a better ring driver circuit I call a cascade buck booster, it works on the principal that a coil or inductance will accept current slower than a capacitor. Buck boosters or DC-DC converters can be up to 95% efficient in stepping up DC voltage. As well this is a recycler circuit, you will notice forward current is always driven to the right, upon charging C2 at high voltage it returns to the battery through D3-L3. This is the correct way to design circuits, it is a simple process-step up voltage all through the process and return to source.

Here is the process
-C1,C2 charge to 12V
-J1 closes then opens quickly, this produces a large current flow through L1 initially, when J1 opens the Bemf raises the voltage determined by the duty cycle of J1,this moves through D1 to C1 and charging C1 to a higher voltage, this is a conventional buck booster.
- However, the Bemf from L1 will charge C1 faster than the current can move through L2, so C1 charges then pushes the current through L2 after a slight delay. During this slight delay J2 is closed then opened. This creates an additive effect on L2 as it is fed from C1 and which then pulls from V1 through L1. clear as mud! It gets worse.
- this is a cascade partially forced resonant system, meaning there is natural resonance between (L1-C1-L2), (C1-L2-C2), (L2-C2-L3) in that order, but working voltage and duty cycle are determined by the duration of J1 and J2 and the spacing between there cycles.
- So we have a circuit to pulse L1-L3 with fast pulse high voltage spikes from a low voltage source(V1 @ 12volts), as well all current is moving in a forward direction(V1-L1-D1-C1-L2-D2-C2-D3-L3-V1) a loop.
- The scope shot shows what happens when J1 is opened then closed-then J2 is opened then closed, this cycle repeating. Working voltage in the system is determined by the delay in time between J1 and J2 cycling.

I use DC-DC converters or Buck boosters on everything I build, Transformers are old news, so give this try and you will see higher efficiency with minimal components. It should be obvious you can generate very high voltages at high frequency so be careful.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 11, 2007, 07:09:23 PM
These are cool. I use them too.

Also,

Thoughts Are Things

I hold it true that thoughts are things;
They?re endowed with bodies
and breath and wings:
And that we send them forth to fill
The world with good results, or ill.
That which we call our secret thought
Speeds forth to earth?s remotest spot,
Leaving its blessings or its woes
Like tracks behind it as it goes.
We build our future, thought by thought,
For good or ill, yet know it not.
Yet so the universe was wrought.
Thought is another name for fate;
Choose then thy destiny and wait,
For love brings love and hate brings hate.
Henry Van Dyke
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Gearhead on January 12, 2007, 04:59:08 PM

To me it sounds like it is "just" the wires attracting/repelling each other that causes the unit to vibrate/kick. There are no "magic" in that - unfortunately  >:(


You probably have not read that JM believes the TPU interacts with the magnetic field of the earth.  The principle is the anomolous surge of current in a conductor when a switch is switched on.  The extra current is supposed to come from the earth's magnetic field.  If that is so and multiple "kicks" can be induced and collected then that is where the "magic" comes from.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 12, 2007, 05:15:04 PM

To me it sounds like it is "just" the wires attracting/repelling each other that causes the unit to vibrate/kick. There are no "magic" in that - unfortunately  >:(


You probably have not read that JM believes the TPU interacts with the magnetic field of the earth.  The principle is the anomolous surge of current in a conductor when a switch is switched on.  The extra current is supposed to come from the earth's magnetic field.  If that is so and multiple "kicks" can be induced and collected then that is where the "magic" comes from.

Do you believe this current is due to the earths field and is not normal inrush current?  We have been over this many times but generally the answer is that its inrush current caused by normal circumstances?

If the earths field can cause an extra current to flow, then surely all it does is help electrons flow from the source faster than normal and if so, it will deplete a battery faster, so there is there anything free?

Are you able to show us or tells us a demonstration to show there is extra current for free from the earths field interaction?!

Steven Mark has mentioned this interaction since the beginning.  So far only a couple of references have been found about it, but generally the "kick" has been a mechanical movement due to the earths field interacting with the wire, no extra current.  Any references you can provide would be great.


Thanks,

Dave.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 12, 2007, 05:32:32 PM
Just a thought, lets go way back to the kick, the interaction due to the earths field.

I think we all agreed that if the earths field does cause a small extra current in a wire that it surely just depletes the source faster.

But, what if, lets say we take back emf, that as the field collapses, we have all the energy that was stored in the coil back, but at this phase, if the earths field can interact we can get all the stored energy back plus a little extra and this will not come from the source.

However, I have no idea how this can work with a 90 degree collector or why that would be needed, but I can see what he means when he says "one kick amounts to nothing".  But when you feedback and get a building cycle going, it can become great because after the first cycle we get all the stored energy back plus a little extra.  If we now feed all that to another coil we get all the original plus the extra from the first cycle, plus more extra from the earths field, then we feed all that to the 3rd coil and so on.  After the 3rd or 4th, it goes back to coil one.  Each time you get a bit more.  Soon, the battery which provided the small signal, can be removed?!


D.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: FatBird on January 12, 2007, 05:56:25 PM
I found this List of SM's comments & History somewhere, & just thought I would post it here.  Maybe we can get some ideas from it??

The attached file is in MS Word format.

The Top 10 Comments are:
=============================================

Summary of Important Points:

1.   Compass will spin up when turned on.
2.   Never tune too closely to the exact frequencies
3.   Make a Kill Switch with Over Voltage & Heat Sensors.
4.   The control units are so very important to control the frequencies.
5.   The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
6.   First frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.
7.   You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but with some hash in it.
8.   There are 3 Control Coils (all the way around) each of the 3 Collector Units.  Start them 1 at a time.
9.   The ?TPU? units apparently heat up to a potentially dangerous level after a considerable period of time
10. The Collector is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.

Regards.


.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 12, 2007, 06:32:04 PM
Hmmmm,
Sounds like a great set of operational specifications to me!

You know, the real embarrasement is finding out something new that disspells the old of what we so tenciously hold onto!

--giantkiller..
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 12, 2007, 07:10:51 PM
I found this List of SM's comments & History somewhere, & just thought I would post it here.  Maybe we can get some ideas from it??

The attached file is in MS Word format.

The Top 10 Comments are:
=============================================

Summary of Important Points:

1.   Compass will spin up when turned on.
2.   Never tune too closely to the exact frequencies
3.   Make a Kill Switch with Over Voltage & Heat Sensors.
4.   The control units are so very important to control the frequencies.
5.   The frequencies are directly related to the circumference of the collector coil.
6.   First frequency, then second harmonic component into the second, then the third.
7.   You could describe the useable current output of my coil as DC but with some hash in it.
8.   There are 3 Control Coils (all the way around) each of the 3 Collector Units.  Start them 1 at a time.
9.   The ?TPU? units apparently heat up to a potentially dangerous level after a considerable period of time
10. The Collector is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other. Other control wires are wound around all of the horizontal collector coils together.

Regards.


.

Oooohhhh,
One small word can topple the greatest of enemies.
Item #3: & = and

You can have voltages execeeding the heat and heat exceeding the voltages. 2 seperate results. So it sounds like these are not related and are attributable to different phenomina. That clearly explains some of the mismatches in my results. How?
I cannot describe what's in a place unless I have been there the neccessary amount of time to find out. Sure beats cursing the darkness though.

--giantkiller.

p.s. Let's ty to take this sight down again...

The specifics state:
1: Harbours exceedingly high voltage
2: Can emit sparks and light
3: Without the proper shielding or you touch it, it can kill you!

My God, is this a TPU?

















Behold! These are the specifications right out of the Bible describing the Ark of the Covenant!
This is quite the adventure isn't it?
It was only a matter of time before man would find the technology that he himself cannot withstand.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 13, 2007, 05:58:14 AM
Here is the automatic kill switch which I haved named the 'GK-TPU Runaway Firewall'.
It consists of an lm324 op amp voltage comparator feeding a 555 1 sec monostable biasing a Tip29a conducting 3 relays in parallel. I connect the 3 TPU frequencies to the 3 commons and route the Normally closed outputs to the TPU itself. This serves to clamp the TPU operation by over voltage only. The input to the op amp is taken from between the 5 ohm collector resistor and the top collector.
Design to completion time was 2 days and there are 3 opamps left over for the thermistor addition.

--giantkiller. Safety first, thrills later.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrd10 on January 13, 2007, 06:36:49 AM
Good work there GK
Title: Help! SOS
Post by: aether22 on January 13, 2007, 11:06:27 AM
Ok, I suck at making circuits.

There are several reasons I haven't tested my almost completely build TPU (v1, GK's design) and most of it comes down to troubles with the 555 circuit, I solved most of the problems but 1 remains.

When I have any one of the 555's on it works fine, but when I turn on 2 or especially 3 they somehow interfere with each other.

Now this may be because I don't have a small value cap between pin 5 and GND, but I figured as everyone here has built this circuit, you should all know how to fix it.

So has anyone else had this problem?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on January 13, 2007, 01:16:37 PM
I guess you are using the same supply for your electronics as the coils. I suggest you feed the circuit either from a separate supply or feed the existing supply though a diode to a 1000uF capacitor and feed your circuit from across the capacitor.


AM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: aether22 on January 13, 2007, 01:52:52 PM
Nop, no coils even connected yet, was just checking out the 555 circuit.

If you have not had this problem, please indicate if you put the cap on pin 5 and ground. (it will be a bit of a pain to add this 'optional' cap so I'd rather establish if it can possibly be the cure)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: pese on January 13, 2007, 03:12:11 PM
@aether
the dc line  also transfer the frequencies to each other 555 !
"decoupling" this . each 555 "hook up" elektrolydt 10-50mf also
one 0,1mf (ceramic disk or foil-block)
if possibel connect al - (minus or grund points of IC (even ALL other in- and outputs)
to an SINGEL point !!!

(1mf = 1uf)

pese
Title: Re: Help! SOS
Post by: giantkiller on January 13, 2007, 04:22:22 PM
Ok, I suck at making circuits.

There are several reasons I haven't tested my almost completely build TPU (v1, GK's design) and most of it comes down to troubles with the 555 circuit, I solved most of the problems but 1 remains.

When I have any one of the 555's on it works fine, but when I turn on 2 or especially 3 they somehow interfere with each other.

Now this may be because I don't have a small value cap between pin 5 and GND, but I figured as everyone here has built this circuit, you should all know how to fix it.

So has anyone else had this problem?

A simple fact maybe I missed.
I have a highly regulated, industrial 12v supply. I pull +5v from that thru a 7805 t220 package and more capacitor filtering. Then I have more capacitors at the 555s. And i repeat from somebody else, again each 555 has its own resistors and capacitors.
Don't give up! your so close. Ask questions, whenever. Somebody will pop up to the rescue! Don't be daunted by what others do. That just means they have to time to answer questions.

And don't tell yourself bad things. If you notice in this last set of postings nobody else did! You don't have that right either. Well you do, but don't.
So check this out http://thesecret.tv/home.html (http://thesecret.tv/home.html). A number of friends and I have been following this and the returns are phenominal. How bad do you want it?

@mrd10 , Tnx. It works like a champ.

--giantkiller. Now, get out there and do geat things!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: FuzzyLogic on January 14, 2007, 02:02:54 AM
Reply to aether22:


I had that problem until I used small value capacitors.  Even a few Pf seemed to do it.



Regards.


.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrd10 on January 14, 2007, 02:29:44 AM
Hi TPU Builders,

I put this together for newbies and the experienced, Just design data. If anyone wants to make corrections, please do so.

Doco has safety cct, GK,s tpu specs, Cams cct for driving each coil, Tesla's patent

Dom  ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 14, 2007, 05:58:35 AM
Hi TPU Builders,

I put this together for newbies and the experienced, Just design data. If anyone wants to make corrections, please do so.

Doco has safety cct, GK,s tpu specs, Cams cct for driving each coil, Tesla's patent

Dom  ;)

One mistake on the 555 to tip41 schematic those transistors should by TIP41b's driven with 100 ohms 1/8w or 1/4w

tnx DOM
--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 14, 2007, 12:21:36 PM
GK,

Have you been able to test the heat output to power input?  Is there more heat than power in?


Regards,

Dave.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrd10 on January 14, 2007, 03:06:48 PM
Ok no problem thanks GK.

Dom
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 14, 2007, 03:35:20 PM
GK,

I can confirm 150v spikes, however I believe these are normal spikes at the collector of the transistor.  I confirmed this by removing the feedback from the collector coil and the spikes remained the same.

Can you disconnect the collector feedbacks and see if the spikes disappear or remain?

I can also see spikes across the collector coils of 100v, but if I load them with a very small 12v bulb, they go flat and the bulb does not light at all.  There is no power in them.

I have not seen any heating so far.


D.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrd10 on January 14, 2007, 04:06:34 PM
GK,

I can confirm 150v spikes, however I believe these are normal spikes at the collector of the transistor.  I confirmed this by removing the feedback from the collector coil and the spikes remained the same.

Can you disconnect the collector feedbacks and see if the spikes disappear or remain?

I can also see spikes across the collector coils of 100v, but if I load them with a very small 12v bulb, they go flat and the bulb does not light at all.  There is no power in them.

I have not seen any heating so far.


D.

D can you tell us what youve done, specs that sort of thing, so maybe GK, can see anything amiss.

Cheers,

Dom
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 14, 2007, 05:24:28 PM
Hi Dom,

There is not much to tell so far.  I have built a TPU as close to GKs as I can.

I have connected to it a 3 555 timer generator like GK and tuned through, nothing special.

I have tried a Seike oscillator (self fed 3 phase) I have tried white noise and I have tried a logic circuit which provides me with perfectly sync'd harmonics based on the input frequency.

I have attached a 4 channel digital thermometer to measure the TPU temperature in 3 locations and the last probe to measure the room temperature away from the coil.

I have measure the power in the feedback circuit, the 12ohm resistors in Ottos diagram, I have loaded the collectors down with various loads.

So far I have seen nothing I have not already seen.

I dont think I need to list anything further since I am not making any claims, just that I have made an identical TPU with the instructions given and I have seen nothing.

The tripple 555 timer circuit works very well and the PCB was kindly sent to me by Alex (GroundLoop), but its lowest frequency is 3.5Khz and GK has been testing around 10Hz.

So, next I have to connect my 3 independent function generators with some drivers to the TPU and hope that then I can see something nice.



Regards,

Dave.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on January 14, 2007, 06:48:27 PM
Dave,
Have you seen this:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg21389.html#msg21389
and
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg21397.html#msg21397


AM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: CTG Labs on January 14, 2007, 06:51:41 PM
Dave,
Have you seen this:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg21389.html#msg21389
and
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg21397.html#msg21397


AM

Hi, thanks for the references, I had read them before also.  I did hold a small magnet nearby and could feel it vibrating, but what do you expect when you hold a magnet inside an oscillating field!  Although I cannot say if it was somehow vibrating faster than the applied frequency, how can you tell?  Perhaps wind a coil around the magnet and read out the frequency on a scope?

Well I will either build a 555 timer circuit which has 1-100Hz so its much more fine tuning or I will hook my signal generators x 3 to some transistor drivers and see if I can anything then.

Surely if the transistors are in full saturation have no voltage drop across them, then they could well remain cold while the higher resistance coil gets hot?


D.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrd10 on January 14, 2007, 11:07:27 PM
No problem D, I was only trying to Help

Sincerely,

Dom
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: aether22 on January 16, 2007, 05:30:15 AM
I have also built and tested my GK TPU, though I haven't tested it much.

The insulation on the wire I used was crap (It must be an awfully old spool of wire, like ancient, or it must have been heated, I won an internet auction) so there is a short between 2 on the control coil layers.

Because of this I am reducing the testing of it to 'quality time' before it gets any worse.

GK, I seem to recall you mentioning that it reversed the earth magnetic field, now if that's what you said, that would be a great test to try.
Though as the coils are wound on steel with opposing fields I would expect significalt external magnetic fields so are you sure it was indeed reversal of the earth magnetic field?

If it is true reversal you could of course turn the TPU and the compass needle shuldn't budge.

Otherwise please explain exactly what I need to do to see something because I fear it might not last for long. (and with control coil layers shorted together as is it simply may not work.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 16, 2007, 05:47:48 AM
I have also built and tested my GK TPU, though I haven't tested it much.

The insulation on the wire I used was crap (It must be an awfully old spool of wire, like ancient, or it must have been heated, I won an internet auction) so there is a short between 2 on the control coil layers.

Because of this I am reducing the testing of it to 'quality time' before it gets any worse.

GK, I seem to recall you mentioning that it reversed the earth magnetic field, now if that's what you said, that would be a great test to try.
Though as the coils are wound on steel with opposing fields I would expect significalt external magnetic fields so are you sure it was indeed reversal of the earth magnetic field?

If it is true reversal you could of course turn the TPU and the compass needle shuldn't budge.

Otherwise please explain exactly what I need to do to see something because I fear it might not last for long. (and with control coil layers shorted together as is it simply may not work.

Hi,

When I got the new pots I went back and retested that. I am incompetent. I didn't right it down. Was doing too many tests. I can hook it back up tomorrow and see. Sorry about the short. I am working on GK5 at the moment and am testing it on my controller. Sorry. I am just moving ahead too fast. Remember this, without kicks you don't tune. And above all else, you want to get there. ;)

--giantkiller. You gonna post a picture of your monster before the towns people torch it?

Talk at ya tomorrow.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: aether22 on January 16, 2007, 06:37:33 AM
Quote

--giantkiller. You gonna post a picture of your monster before the towns people torch it?

Talk at ya tomorrow.


It's Camera shy, sensitive about it's hair. (I just have the wires going everywhere)

I'll post it soon, but please don't point and laugh.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 16, 2007, 05:31:10 PM
Quote

--giantkiller. You gonna post a picture of your monster before the towns people torch it?

Talk at ya tomorrow.


It's Camera shy, sensitive about it's hair. (I just have the wires going everywhere)

I'll post it soon, but please don't point and laugh.

I totally agree with you. A bad wire day is nothing to thrust in the condeming public eye. But don't worry I will go first...

Here is the runaway firewall circuit in circuit, and a test with 8 gauge audio cable (GK5). Although this later test is not fully tested yet.

Also,
I am not here to condem, judge or snipe at any attempts. If this project couldn't be done we wouldn't be here.

--giantkiller. The greatest accomplishment came from the attempts condemed by the largest groups. Can you say aeroplane made from bicycle parts?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: FatBird on January 17, 2007, 02:36:57 AM
I greatly applaud GK's success.  But I think the main reason WE as a group haven't achieved success is because we have lost our focus.  If we re-read the 13 PAGE ATTACHED FILE (MS Word format) containing SM's words & admonitions ( and watch his videos), he mentions 3 Control Windings over the Collector Winding to cause a Rotating Magnetic Field.  Remember that he uses the analogy of  a GRADUAL "revving up" (or down) like a turbine.  He says we can SEE IT on a compass placed in the center.  Remember, SM said that modern MICRO CONTROLLERS make things easier.  Hmmmmmmmm, why did he mention Programmable Micro Controllers?  Let's see.

So far, most of us have been focusing on 3 different Frequencies,  BUT, how can 3 frequencies, feeding 3 Control Windings, NOT SYNCHED TOGETHER, cause a Rotating Field.  The answer is they CANNOT.  How can they?  When Freq 1 is rising on the scope, Freq 2 might be falling, & Freq 3 might be at zero.  This is feeding continuously conflicting data to the Coils.  No, this will not do it my friends.  Unless we can rotate the field in synchronization (to Rev it Up), we cannot achieve success.

Plus, why build 3 Levels all at once.  Why not build 1 Collector Coil Level with the 3 Control Windings on it to test our circuit with a compass.  One level, rather than 3 will at least tell us if we are on the right track.  Levels 2 & 3 can be added later after success with Level 1.

The objective is to Fire a Pulse to Coil 1, followed by a Pulse to Coil 2, followed by Pulsing Coil 3, etc, etc, etc, around & around in sync.  How can this be best accomplished?  I know there are many ways, such as Crystal Controlled Oscillators, Phase locked Loop Circuits, & Micro Controllers.  But I can immediately think of 2 ways that would be the easiest using 555 Timers.  There are hundreds of schematics on the web for Oscillators, 1 Shots, & Delay Circuits that use 555 Timers.

METHOD 1:    How about a Circuit that has four 555 Timers fed from at least 12 Volts.  Timer 1 would be the Main Variable Oscillator to adjust the Main Freq.  This Timer could feed 3 other 555 Timers configured as One Shots simultaneously in synchronization.  The three 555 One Shot Delay Pulse Widths would be configured to output 3 different Pulse Widths IN SYNC!!!  This configuration must cause each Coil to be Pulsed SEQUENTIALLY, 1,2,3, around & around & around, in a circle!!!

METHOD 2:   Method two is using a Shift Register.  One 555 Variable Square Wave Oscillator would feed a Shift Register that would sequentially fire Power Transistors that Fire the 3 Coils.



Respectfully Submitted.


.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Thaelin on January 17, 2007, 02:47:41 AM
I can agree with this, in the texts of the old messages;  3 coils for sure. It also does state in there using 1 frequency and the second and third being harmonics of the first. Just dont know which ones. Also states turn on freq1 and wait a bit, then freq2 and wait a bit, then freq3. When they start to sync, that would sure make a revolving mag field. Just some musing along that line.

sugra
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mkt3920 on January 17, 2007, 03:05:48 AM
From the past messages I see reference to three coils for the COLLECTOR coil but no number on the control coils.  Where are you getting this info?  The pictures of the open unit visually show 4 control coils, (two sets opposing each other?).

quote:
About the collector:
It is three separate coils of multi strand copper wire laid one on top of the other, not interleaved. Three is important. You can do many things with three coils. You can run them in parallel, you can run two in series and one in parallel, or etc.
unquote

Kent
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 17, 2007, 03:29:31 AM
Yep! I thank you, Fatbird. That is the 2nd time you've come in after my posts to reiterate very valid findings. Affirmation leads others to progress.
My kicks were said to be obvious but were in line with what Otto had done. But we're the only ones producing them. You speak of synchronization of the 555s. That I don't have yet. I am in the process of implementing that in my existing circuitry. And that is what I want to stress! Somebody mentions an update and I don't need to switch paths, I can just do it. The flexibility to jump is inherent. So I now have time and the platform to pursue that.
And the big thing is, after months of posters postulating kicks, Otto & I got them. But the bigger issue is "We be sloppy!". So that does point to there are many ways to get there. Did anybody else here get immediate mails and postings about the dangers! I think not! What does that show you?
I sit back now and watch for postings of valid input. These posts are a whole different arena of execution now. Remember the look on Jodie Foster's face in 'Contact' when she looked out into the void and exclaimed 'It's beautiful!'? I been there for 2 weeks! I am still amazed and exhausted. Wish you all could join me.
I didn't answer electical questions because I don't care! That is somebody elses job. I don't care what color the tires are. I am flying down the highway.

So. Thanks to all for everything that has been posted. There has been an infinite amount of knowledge here. The TPU really does work, up to this point. It doesn't matter if it can be explained away. I don't give a damn! I've seen enough talk Since Sept 2006.
I got fun under my sun! And most important. If this TPU isn't it, who cares! I got past the diatribe to experimentation. Shit, that was easy. Now I can dream further.

@Fatbird, tnx for the doc. I am playing catch up. And I have a feeling I'll be the one to make the next step...

--giantkiller. I am not going anywhere. Everything has value and it's all good!

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 17, 2007, 05:42:51 AM
Based upon Fatbird's post about clock synchronization, I will not undo Otto's jumpers on  GK4 but will jumper GK3(fatter gauge though) to put the 3 layers in parallel, modify the quadrature control down to 1 block of 4 channels instead of 2 blocks of 8 channels. Right now both 74ls193 are count up linked so I have 8 channels running. I will run off of one 74ls193. That will give control to 4 sets. The key was 3 frequencies. Vague talk again for 3 input signals. That frequency is to be tuned to the coils diameter or circumference. ;) This will let me get the compass spinning.
Then I connect my GK4! And the monster should breathe fire, eh?
When I reported my results on the heat & energy waves. They didn't last long because of the constant out of phasing condition only working with harmonics. The off harmonic is the confusion. I saw that many times changing freqs.
Hmmmm. I am all over this.

--giantkilller. 8)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Yamanashi Jr on January 17, 2007, 11:25:18 AM
Hi giantkiller, FatBird, all,
Mannix just posted about the CMOSmax308
http://www.rtcs.ru/pdf/Maxim/switch/MAX308-MAX309.pdf

Im using ss max308 sources.

I connected the output of the tongtail phase splitter...very low level. Then observed the wave form on the collector. I freq only. the other amps are still not quite complete.

what I saw at 30 khz was a little waver....just a tiny waver.


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 17, 2007, 05:22:24 PM
I have used these in the past. They are excellant products. Maxim as a whole produces a wide array of conversion products. Their RS-232 single chip TX/RC are great!

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 17, 2007, 07:38:02 PM
One way you can limit the heating effect of the collector coils is my making them out of 1/4 or 1/8 inch diameter copper tubing.  Then you run water through them.  You now have water heater and an energy system for your home.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on January 17, 2007, 08:02:24 PM
All,
I figured I would post a photo of my progress. TPU_004 under construction. That is 15 turns of 10ga solid copper in the core and 20ga magnet wire for the control winding.

TPU_003 is also in the picture. All three control windings are wound on a solid copper core of single turns I wire in parallel.

I haven't seen anything I would consider unusual to date. But I'm not doing my tests exactly as GK or Otto. I figure we already have testers/investigators moving that direction and posting their findings. I still have to figure out how I'm going to move a geomagnetic line of force and then let it recoil in a controlled fashion. Consider this, when a solar flare disturbs the geomagnetic fields, in some cases FREAKING HUGE quantities of energy are coupled. We are apparently seeking to perform a similar task except we are right in the middle of the field. Movin forward.

Regards,
JT
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on January 17, 2007, 08:24:12 PM
aether22............and anyone else, have a look at this "ugly" contraption. We are not making production models so don't worry about pretty devices at this point. Lets make them work and understand it....then we can do a nice paint job....you are actively investigating phenomena.........Loki........

Oh yea.....that picture is the prototype transistor in 1947. Photo credit to whomever it belongs to. If anyone has heartburn with me posting this photo I will delete it.....Just let me know.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 17, 2007, 08:26:33 PM
@Loki67671,
Stop! The control coils are supposed to be in segments. There are 3 or 4 per layer. GK4 uses 4. There have been some posters use 3. The latest posts support 3. I got good results from 4. I am heading towards the control coil sequential sequencing of a 4 segment unit. This test should add the rotating field consistantly.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 17, 2007, 08:28:15 PM
aether22............and anyone else, have a look at this "ugly" contraption. We are not making production models so don't worry about pretty devices at this point. Lets make them work and understand it....then we can do a nice paint job....you are actively investigating phenomena.........Loki........

Oh yea.....that picture is the prototype transistor in 1947. Photo credit to whomever it belongs to. If anyone has heartburn with me posting this photo I will delete it.....Just let me know.

It's the boys at RCA! Giant tweakers!

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: edo on January 17, 2007, 09:46:59 PM
Unfortunately I've not been able to follow all the messages because of delays in getting Internet connections to our new house -- apparently someone crushed the communications and cable-TV conduits during the build and we have been "off air" for quite a while, and for some time into the future.

None the less, here is something I just realised and would like to share.  (Hopefully I'm not being too redundant.)

Consider signals S1, S2 and S3 with frequencies F1, F3 and F5 respectively.  Let those frequencies be harmonically related, for example, as fundamental, third harmonic and fifth harmonic respectively.

Generate signals S1 (at frequency F1) such that it will cycle (i.e., rotate) around the loop.  This is easily done, for example, with coherent sine-wave and cosine-wave component driving 4 independent coils.  Of course, other configurations with different numbers of coils are possible.  As the sine and cosine wave progress over time, we generate a rotating magnetic field vector.

Now consider adding S2 (a 3rd harmonic of F1, for example) to the mix.  Ensure S2 is synchronised with S1 such that the S2 will rotate with its synchronised sine and cosine components in the same direction as S1.  And finally, consider adding S3 (a 5th harmonic of F1) to S1 and S2, taking care to maintain sychnronisation of waveforms and, thereby add to the rotating magnetic vector.

Given the above, if we match the amplitudes and phases correctly -- see any EE textbook on amplitude and polarity of harmonics of a square wave -- we now have a near-square wave rotating magnetic field vector.  When one thinks of this, it (at least to me) is astounding because square waves have very abrupt leading and falling edges!  These high-gradient zones are where things happen for extracting/creating the vacuum-energy/negative-entropy.  Think about it: This agrees with so many pioneers' and researchers' works and results in these fields.  But it gets better.

If one uses two square waves for S1 -- in the same relationships as if they were sine-wave and cosine-wave -- and one then adds S2 and S3, in like fashion, now one can create very-abrupt edges on the rotating magnetic field vector.  Accurate synchronisation of S1, S2 and S3 is critical to creating the abruptness.  These very-abrupt edges can allow for even greater extraction/creation of vacuum-energy/negative-entropy.  I believe Tom B' and John B' (and many others) would be so proud of Steven -- yet another method to "tap" into the background energies that have been, and are, there all the time.

Well, that just my "two bits" worth.

Cheers,
Ed
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 17, 2007, 11:37:02 PM

Consider signals S1, S2 and S3 with frequencies F1, F3 and F5 respectively.  Let those frequencies be harmonically related, for example, as fundamental, third harmonic and fifth harmonic respectively.

Generate signals S1 (at frequency F1) such that it will cycle (i.e., rotate) around the loop.  This is easily done, for example, with coherent sine-wave and cosine-wave component driving 4 independent coils.  Of course, other configurations with different numbers of coils are possible.  As the sine and cosine wave progress over time, we generate a rotating magnetic field vector.

Now consider adding S2 (a 3rd harmonic of F1, for example) to the mix.  Ensure S2 is synchronised with S1 such that the S2 will rotate with its synchronised sine and cosine components in the same direction as S1.  And finally, consider adding S3 (a 5th harmonic of F1) to S1 and S2, taking care to maintain sychnronisation of waveforms and, thereby add to the rotating magnetic vector.

Given the above, if we match the amplitudes and phases correctly -- see any EE textbook on amplitude and polarity of harmonics of a square wave -- we now have a near-square wave rotating magnetic field vector.  When one thinks of this, it (at least to me) is astounding because square waves have very abrupt leading and falling edges!  These high-gradient zones are where things happen for extracting/creating the vacuum-energy/negative-entropy.  Think about it: This agrees with so many pioneers' and researchers' works and results in these fields.  But it gets better.

If one uses two square waves for S1 -- in the same relationships as if they were sine-wave and cosine-wave -- and one then adds S2 and S3, in like fashion, now one can create very-abrupt edges on the rotating magnetic field vector.  Accurate synchronisation of S1, S2 and S3 is critical to creating the abruptness.  These very-abrupt edges can allow for even greater extraction/creation of vacuum-energy/negative-entropy.  I believe Tom B' and John B' (and many others) would be so proud of Steven -- yet another method to "tap" into the background energies that have been, and are, there all the time.

Well, that just my "two bits" worth.

Cheers,
Ed


And a very worthy '2 bits' I might add. Precise frequencies are in the works.

Welcome to the club.

--giantkiller. Its not what we 'do' but what we 'can see'!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on January 18, 2007, 02:30:29 AM
GK,
I know! I know! I don't want you to be the only one.........lol.........but I have seen "kicks" on my scope using TPU_003 which is nothing more than 10AWG solid copper wire for the "core" and three layers of hookup wire bank wound. I was running my 555's on a breadboard and the consistency of results was not there. As a matter of fact I was seeing kicks when I made adjustments not when the device was left stable. I'm just trying to proove to myself that the concept is directly related to the frequencies not winding topology.
I will build TPU_005 using the iron wire core and the segmented control windings even if I achieve the results with these continuous windings. All of our results are of value.
I will get on the same sheet of music as you....as soon as I'm done with this solo.

edo,
Exactly along the line that I was thinking. Square waves are odd harmonics. Square waves have very steep rise and fall times. Doesn't that get modeled as an impulse function assuming the switching is fast enough? The idea of beating odd harmonics together that are themselves comprised of odd harmonics is interesting. Add to this three or more circuits whose resonant frequency is tuned at or very near these harmonic frequencies. I am definitely concentrating my efforts here until experimental evidence moves me away from it. I am putting together precision DDS synth's with phase control and carefully filtered individual supplies to replace my 555 oscillators. I'm also switching with fast  MOSFET's using gate drivers. I think its worth digging up some triodes.

I will update as I progress.

Regards,

JT
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 18, 2007, 03:38:34 AM
GK,
I know! I know! I don't want you to be the only one.........lol.........but I have seen "kicks" on my scope using TPU_003 which is nothing more than 10AWG solid copper wire for the "core" and three layers of hookup wire bank wound. I was running my 555's on a breadboard and the consistency of results was not there. As a matter of fact I was seeing kicks when I made adjustments not when the device was left stable. I'm just trying to proove to myself that the concept is directly related to the frequencies not winding topology.
I will build TPU_005 using the iron wire core and the segmented control windings even if I achieve the results with these continuous windings. All of our results are of value.
I will get on the same sheet of music as you....as soon as I'm done with this solo.

edo,
Exactly along the line that I was thinking. Square waves are odd harmonics. Square waves have very steep rise and fall times. Doesn't that get modeled as an impulse function assuming the switching is fast enough? The idea of beating odd harmonics together that are themselves comprised of odd harmonics is interesting. Add to this three or more circuits whose resonant frequency is tuned at or very near these harmonic frequencies. I am definitely concentrating my efforts here until experimental evidence moves me away from it. I am putting together precision DDS synth's with phase control and carefully filtered individual supplies to replace my 555 oscillators. I'm also switching with fast  MOSFET's using gate drivers. I think its worth digging up some triodes.

I will update as I progress.

Regards,

JT
I just fired up my GK3 - 20awg copper collectors @ 12v. I pull 5 amps and the field very small. I did this unit just so I wouldn't pull the Otto jumper configuration from my GK4. But alas tis as I expected. The 20awg doesn't cut with tip41b-s. But with the GK4 30awg magwire unit my transx just get warm and the field is ferocious & dangerous. And I dont think it is the iron core.
Not the core just gauge of the controllers.
In other words audio wire. I got that recommendation from another post.
If you look at certain Tesla patents. His input is fat CU. Out is small CU. That explains all  the hipower genrs. He pushing hard against CU.

So I got to rip into my GK4.
And this also, I will Otto jumper the GK3 first. This will prove a great many things. Fat CU TPU?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: FuzzyLogic on January 19, 2007, 12:04:41 AM
GK.  Since you are the only one so far that has a working unit, may I HUMBLY request that you help the rest of us get up to speed also.  Could you PLEASE answer the following questions so we also can build a working unit like yours.  Thank you in advance sir.

I believe you said in an earlier post that the Diameter is about 6".


1.  _____  Number of turns on each Collector Coil.

2.  _____  Do your Collector Coils use Copper Wire or Garden Wire?

3.  _____  Do you use 3 or 4 Control Coils on each Level?

4.  _____  How many turns of wire on each Control Coil (approximately).

5.  _____  Does your Working Unit use Otto's Wiring Diagram exactly?  Any changes?

6.  _____  Will it run without magnets, or does it need magnets to run?

7.  _____  What frequencies does it run at (approximately)?

8.  _____  Anything else you can think of?


I think all of us have read your past warnings & admonitions as to its dangers, & that all of us have to take appropriate safety precautions like a Kill Switch, Over Temp Switch, possible safety shield, etc.

Thank you very much for sharing this with your fellow researchers sir.


.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 19, 2007, 12:45:33 AM
GK.  Since you are the only one so far that has a working unit, may I HUMBLY request that you help the rest of us get up to speed also.  Could you PLEASE answer the following questions so we also can build a working unit like yours.  Thank you in advance sir.

I believe you said in an earlier post that the Diameter is about 6". oops 4".


1.  _doco____  Number of turns on each Collector Coil.

2.  __garden___  Do your Collector Coils use Copper Wire or Garden Wire?

3.  _doco____  Do you use 3 or 4 Control Coils on each Level?

4.  _doco____  How many turns of wire on each Control Coil (approximately). 30awg

5.  _xtact____  Does your Working Unit use Otto's Wiring Diagram exactly?  Any changes?
I use 16awg speaker wire for jumpers.

6.  _any____  Will it run without magnets, or does it need magnets to run?

7.  _any____  What frequencies does it run at (approximately)?

8.  _____  Anything else you can think of?


I think all of us have read your past warnings & admonitions as to its dangers, & that all of us have to take appropriate safety precautions like a Kill Switch, Over Temp Switch, possible safety shield, etc.

Thank you very much for sharing this with your fellow researchers sir.

Look through this thread. I believe everything is here.

I have GK3/Otto and that is copper core and 20awg controls. I test it tonight.

--giantkiller. Let me know.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on January 19, 2007, 01:26:05 AM
Why so much current?  This is not an inductive coupling effect.  

No one here understands the radiant energy effect.  The only person that did - Turbo - was driven away.  

No wonder Bedini, Grey, Tasla, and the many others were so frustrated.  You can explain it 100 different ways and no one else can understand it.


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 19, 2007, 02:11:11 AM
Consider this:

It takes one nanosecond for an electrical impulse to travel about one foot along a wire.  That's the equivalent to a one gigacycle pulse.  Tesla remarked that the radiant event would happen during this window of no current flow during switch closure.

So, if you have 10 feet of wire your rise and fall time would have to be around 1 100 millionth of a second.  I believe that's 10 nanoseconds.  The best MOSFET can barely do that.  So, you may want to try going to at least 20 feet of wire for your control coils and see what happens (the pulse width needs to be short).  You may start to see a more dramatic effect.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on January 19, 2007, 02:12:54 AM
Alas, poor Turbo. I miss him too. I knew he was into something.

AM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: aether22 on January 20, 2007, 10:23:45 PM
I whole heartedly agree that rotating fields from the control coils are likely key based on previous research. (though I'd expect it possible to do it without a rotating field)

I also think that we should take note of the fact that he either tuned his input to match the control coils, or tuned the control coils to match the input, based on the circumference of the control coils.

This seems to suggest that at least one of the control coils is an open coil (at both ends), free to resonate a bit like a Lakhovsky MWO, either that or oscillations take place within the coil treating the coil as if it's an odd dipole, the two ends being 180 degrees apart.

BTW I think i know how you can possibly significantly advance progress with this coil, and it's an odd one.

Power it from a dynamo rectified and smoothed, or a DC motor run backwards (working as a generator), I believe that there is more than electricity coming from these things, there are many examples but for instance look at the Kipper motor gen setup, I can tell you right away that the coil he uses alone won't do much.
http://www.phact.org/e/z/KipperScam_files/6900052Kipper_Tricks.htm

Look at Tesla, he also used high voltage DC generators to power his coils, no one gets the same results as him because no one uses these to power their coils (which aren't even designed correctly of course).

Look at Alexander, even EV Gray used an Alexander motor/generator!

If you don't want to do that then at least use a vacuum tube as Mark said, as that can help get some aether flowing in the circuit.


As for my photo's, I have taken them, but at the moment my PC is running on a (not totally legal ;) Vista OS, so until I boot it into XP (which has the drivers for my camera) the photo's are stuck.



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on January 21, 2007, 01:42:04 AM
aether22,
Yes a dynamo may have a lot to do with it. I always puzzled why Stanley Meyer used a dynamo to run a water fuel cell in his famous demo.

AM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 21, 2007, 03:10:06 AM
Hi,
One of the ideas I have held on to since I got here was counter rotation. With the right output material you could get xray from Mhz signals. You run 1 freq one way and a 2nd freq opposite direction. The opposing waves clash into each other causing a higher interference pattern. Something that cropped up was the bifilar feed back coil. we'll use ottos config and at the +v tie them together and see what happens at the other end of the 2nd run which is the position of the start of the first run. This gives the interference from the field opposition. Anyway that is one of the ways to hook up. JDO300 also suggested a 4" tpu made totally out of lamp cord. All bifilar. Cheap and fast. That also gives controllers made of magwire size runs. Instead of all those seperate windings. That would explain the fatness of SM4 & SM6 and outputs hooked directly to a 12awg outlet. The wire can handle the amps!  ;)

--giantkiller. 8)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 21, 2007, 08:49:00 PM
So here is the migratory path of the energy production,
1: Kicks? what are kicks and where do they come from? (Remember those days?)

2: Kicks are no problem to achieve or consistently produce for some of us. That is really easy to do once you realize that the potential input has to exceed the volume of copper. For instance, magwire compared to the higher gauge. But harvesting is a problem. Why? Enough production does not equal enough power. You touch the small radiant energy with any metal and it doesn't show up. Alot of us have seen this.

3: Up the energy. It has been consistantly shown to use caps. I take it you use them on the input to the coil not the output like alot of previous attempts.

So here is the status for the last 3 weeks, not bad: ;)
Thank you Steven Mark. :)
Thank you Grumpy. :)

--giantkiller. And there is still progress being made.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on January 21, 2007, 10:37:56 PM
I, for one, have wondered what would happen if I were to build three of E. Grey's "Splitting the positive" type spark gaps to use for switching the cntl windings of a TPU. The patent states that it is "suitable for inductive loads". Problem is right now........I don't have access to a bunker.................   ::)

I've had a hard copy of Lindemann's book for about 4 or 5 years. Actually it's pretty beat and burned................... :-X

TPU's and the Radient Event in progress................. ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 22, 2007, 07:02:26 AM
Hi all,
What is displayed here are the GK siblings. I am running them in parallel to see the differences of copper cores with 20awg control coils and iron cores with 30awg coils. That right there constitutes vast differences. Who knows, they might couple and produce a great symphony or cacaphony of harmonics. But they will be emitting great vibes. Thought i'd post before the results. Testing will continue next Earth revolution.

--giantkiller. ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrd10 on January 22, 2007, 08:12:14 AM
As always GK, very nice work.

 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 22, 2007, 04:25:59 PM
I, for one, have wondered what would happen if I were to build three of E. Grey's "Splitting the positive" type spark gaps to use for switching the cntl windings of a TPU. The patent states that it is "suitable for inductive loads". Problem is right now........I don't have access to a bunker.................   ::)

I've had a hard copy of Lindemann's book for about 4 or 5 years. Actually it's pretty beat and burned................... :-X

TPU's and the Radient Event in progress................. ;)

Why not just build the tube and run air core transformer loads right off of it?  Apparently you can do this.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 22, 2007, 05:04:03 PM
Why so much current?  This is not an inductive coupling effect.  

No one here understands the radiant energy effect.  The only person that did - Turbo - was driven away.  

No wonder Bedini, Grey, Tasla, and the many others were so frustrated.  You can explain it 100 different ways and no one else can understand it.




Thank you, Sir.
Just thought I would pull up more attempts to make others git'r done!

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1679.msg18317.html#msg18317
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg22256.html#msg22256

I never saw that I would be hooking 2 TPUs together on the same circuit. The reason? Because I can!. The result? Who knows what I will find.

I say it doesn't matter how you get kicks! What are you going to do with them when you get them? That is the real solution!

My sister, who has no education in this area, understands the concept of radiant energy. She goes to the beach everyday and is awed of the waves crashing on the shore.
Surfs up, dudes! The water is great and the Sun is warm!

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: alex_huan on January 22, 2007, 06:21:16 PM
Hi All,
This is my first post but i have been around reading and investigating about this coil thing and other ZPE devices. I find some very interesting things about toroidal current sensing coils.
I find one even on ebay claiming hes coils works and puts out 1000volts at 50ma that is like 200w
this one has a iron ferrite core and thousands of windings .
He does not sell the item itself just the plans. And he says he can built it for you if you wish for around $250.
http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AVRI&viewitem=&item=250076441046&rd=1&rd=1

If you not find the link just search for free energy coil. or by the sold items.
Good luck, Alex
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 22, 2007, 10:23:55 PM
Here's a radiant oscillator that's triggered using a neon bulb.  It should trigger at about 65 volts.  You could probably adjust the voltage upward by adding a resistor in series with it.  Also, for the transistor substitute - Q1.  The BD234C substitute should be one with reasonably high gain from what I can see.  You may need to put in a trim pot and a lower value resistor in series with it and adjust the bias.

NOTE: schematic removed due to errors.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 22, 2007, 10:57:01 PM
Here's a radiant oscillator that's triggered using a neon bulb.  It should trigger at about 65 volts.  You could probably adjust the voltage upward by adding a resistor in series with it.  Also, for the transistor substitute - Q1.  The BD234C substitute should be one with reasonably high gain from what I can see.  You may need to put in a trim pot and a lower value resistor in series with it and adjust the bias.

Tnx. I see the TPU config in the schematic transformer. couldn't I fire the SCR with a BEMF spike? I think I can. I also am trying to remove the output batteries. The input could be used temp or take the output coupled back to the input and trigger the oscillation with a magnet swipe. I also see the ferrite being replaced with iron garden wire for programmable size. But at the moment not connected.

I am on a brain train right now. Should come out of the tunnel with less passengers. :D

--giantkiller. ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on January 22, 2007, 11:36:03 PM
You may find D3.PDF by Patrick Kelly useful. It contains this circuit and a lo more.


AM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 12:36:36 AM
You may find D3.PDF by Patrick Kelly useful. It contains this circuit and a lo more.
AM

And the wire jumps because of the outburst of radiant energy!
See next post...Excellance on page 8! They used copper sheets with holes. I say cheap test would be lamp wire collector!  The thing would be if the radiance to the lamp cord has to go through air as a spark or can it simply be a high speed magnetic wave.

Must see!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1914.msg22312.html#msg22312

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on January 23, 2007, 12:44:22 AM
This file is normally updated by the author every so often but here is the one I've got.

AM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: FatBird on January 23, 2007, 02:45:17 AM
Very Nice Post by MRL.

It seems like the first part of the circuit could be replaced by a $20 Inverter (say about 100 Watts or so) from an Auto Supply Store.  That would take care of the conversion from 12VDC to 120 VAC (actually 170VAC Peak V).

Comments welcome.


.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 23, 2007, 03:30:29 AM
Here's a radiant oscillator that's triggered using a neon bulb.  It should trigger at about 65 volts.  You could probably adjust the voltage upward by adding a resistor in series with it.  Also, for the transistor substitute - Q1.  The BD234C substitute should be one with reasonably high gain from what I can see.  You may need to put in a trim pot and a lower value resistor in series with it and adjust the bias.

Tnx. I see the TPU config in the schematic transformer. couldn't I fire the SCR with a BEMF spike? I think I can. I also am trying to remove the output batteries. The input could be used temp or take the output coupled back to the input and trigger the oscillation with a magnet swipe. I also see the ferrite being replaced with iron garden wire for programmable size. But at the moment not connected.

I am on a brain train right now. Should come out of the tunnel with less passengers. :D

--giantkiller. ;)

Yes you can fire the SCR with an (isolated) spike.  Also, remember, you cannot connect both system grounds together or the RE will be lost.  They must remain isolated.  That's why John put in the opto-coupler.  You must think of that system as being an open one way system not a closed one.

The core material in the FE osc is welding wire.  Cheap stuff.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 04:34:14 AM
Here's a radiant oscillator that's triggered using a neon bulb.  It should trigger at about 65 volts.  You could probably adjust the voltage upward by adding a resistor in series with it.  Also, for the transistor substitute - Q1.  The BD234C substitute should be one with reasonably high gain from what I can see.  You may need to put in a trim pot and a lower value resistor in series with it and adjust the bias.

Tnx. I see the TPU config in the schematic transformer. couldn't I fire the SCR with a BEMF spike? I think I can. I also am trying to remove the output batteries. The input could be used temp or take the output coupled back to the input and trigger the oscillation with a magnet swipe. I also see the ferrite being replaced with iron garden wire for programmable size. But at the moment not connected.

I am on a brain train right now. Should come out of the tunnel with less passengers. :D

--giantkiller. ;)

Yes you can fire the SCR with an (isolated) spike.  Also, remember, you cannot connect both system grounds together or the RE will be lost.  They must remain isolated.  That's why John put in the opto-coupler.  You must think of that system as being an open one way system not a closed one.

The core material in the FE osc is welding wire.  Cheap stuff.



And do we now know why SM used bailing wire? A cheap configurable transformer core. Have I been missing something? I seem to be catching on as of late.

I added a pic of the wave phases depicted at the instance of first potential. I think it is pretty clear .

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on January 23, 2007, 04:51:17 AM
Do not assume that the bailing wire was used as a feromagnetic core.  Tesla stated in one of his lectures that iron wire had higher impedence, which he atributed to it's magnetic properties, and that this would make the circuit act as if it were of longer length than it really was.  So, with iron wire, you would not need as long of a piece.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 05:15:01 AM
My GK3 operation is not acceptable. It draws 5 amps in an Otto jumper config. Same as trying the sequential control coil hookup to produce a rotational field. My final report is 20awg at 56 turns per segment is not correct for a 12v run. I need more windings. but not gonna go there. GK4 works great for what I wanted to achieve. Now I work towards the Bedini LGC for radiant pickup. I have a number of other coil loops in my inventory to connect. When you look at the latest pic I posted you can see the waves produced. If you fire that down a loop I believe you can achieve a rotation field. Albeit a singularity. But it is still there.
So now I am jumping into the radiant collection stage. This should prove interesting. I re-read the cold energy paper again for the 5th time. I don't think there is going to be any problem doing this. Again, I appreciate all the specs and help and nudges. In thankful return I post back what I found, what I see and what am going to do.
One note: If you can get your coils to sing then you got kicks and that is paramount to radiant energy. I am working with the Bedini LGC to see if the rotor can be replaced with a TPU then fold the TPU output back to the input. Won't that be something! Ottos jumpers showed that folding the coils back into themselves worked. That is what the GK4 did. Kicks are for geeks.

All of you are a great team to be with. Thank you.

--giantkiller.  9 days left, Tao. I truely believe in what you said.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 23, 2007, 05:26:05 AM
Here's a radiant oscillator that's triggered using a neon bulb.  It should trigger at about 65 volts.  You could probably adjust the voltage upward by adding a resistor in series with it.  Also, for the transistor substitute - Q1.  The BD234C substitute should be one with reasonably high gain from what I can see.  You may need to put in a trim pot and a lower value resistor in series with it and adjust the bias.

Tnx. I see the TPU config in the schematic transformer. couldn't I fire the SCR with a BEMF spike? I think I can. I also am trying to remove the output batteries. The input could be used temp or take the output coupled back to the input and trigger the oscillation with a magnet swipe. I also see the ferrite being replaced with iron garden wire for programmable size. But at the moment not connected.

I am on a brain train right now. Should come out of the tunnel with less passengers. :D

--giantkiller. ;)

Yes you can fire the SCR with an (isolated) spike.  Also, remember, you cannot connect both system grounds together or the RE will be lost.  They must remain isolated.  That's why John put in the opto-coupler.  You must think of that system as being an open one way system not a closed one.

The core material in the FE osc is welding wire.  Cheap stuff.



And do we now know why SM used bailing wire? A cheap configurable transformer core. Have I been missing something? I seem to be catching on as of late.

I added a pic of the wave phases depicted at the instance of first potential. I think it is pretty clear .

--giantkiller.

No - No No...  Don't think of this system as having anything to do with magnetics.
Bedini uses the magnetic core to aid in the feedback pulse to the feedback coil.  The core material has nothing to do with the radiant pules.  The third winding is the equivalent to the collector coil in the TPU.  However, it important to note that all three windings are exposited to the RE but the RE gets lost in the first two (I think).  The third winding is isolated from all the rest of the system.  The RE remains in that coil.




Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 05:30:07 AM
Here's a radiant oscillator that's triggered using a neon bulb.  It should trigger at about 65 volts.  You could probably adjust the voltage upward by adding a resistor in series with it.  Also, for the transistor substitute - Q1.  The BD234C substitute should be one with reasonably high gain from what I can see.  You may need to put in a trim pot and a lower value resistor in series with it and adjust the bias.

Tnx. I see the TPU config in the schematic transformer. couldn't I fire the SCR with a BEMF spike? I think I can. I also am trying to remove the output batteries. The input could be used temp or take the output coupled back to the input and trigger the oscillation with a magnet swipe. I also see the ferrite being replaced with iron garden wire for programmable size. But at the moment not connected.

I am on a brain train right now. Should come out of the tunnel with less passengers. :D

--giantkiller. ;)

Yes you can fire the SCR with an (isolated) spike.  Also, remember, you cannot connect both system grounds together or the RE will be lost.  They must remain isolated.  That's why John put in the opto-coupler.  You must think of that system as being an open one way system not a closed one.

The core material in the FE osc is welding wire.  Cheap stuff.



And do we now know why SM used bailing wire? A cheap configurable transformer core. Have I been missing something? I seem to be catching on as of late.

I added a pic of the wave phases depicted at the instance of first potential. I think it is pretty clear .

--giantkiller.

No - No No...  Don't think of this system as having anything to do with magnetics.
Bedini uses the magnetic core to aid in the feedback pulse to the feedback coil.  The core material has nothing to do with the radiant pules.  The third winding is the equivalent to the collector coil in the TPU.  However, it important to note that all three windings are exposited to the RE but the RE gets lost in the first two (I think).  The third winding is isolated from all the rest of the system.  The RE remains in that coil.

Oh, I wasn't thinking magnetic at all. In some of my trials I saw that as an answer for other configurations. I am always looking for cheap or slick answers to problems.
Thanks. Didn't mean to mislead.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 23, 2007, 05:37:35 AM
Here's an idea I've been toying with.

It's a very small version of the Tesla Magnifying Transmitter.

I think this stands a good chance of pumping out RE.

I don't think we need to hit the thing with kilovolts to get it to put out RE.  It's all in the pulse duration and rise / fall time.  The inside cone winding is the collector coil.

See Attached.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 06:07:50 AM
Here's an idea I've been toying with.

It's a very small version of the Tesla Magnifying Transmitter.

I think this stands a good chance of pumping out RE.

I don't think we need to hit the thing with kilovolts to get it to put out RE.  It's all in the pulse duration and rise / fall time.  The inside cone winding is the collector coil.

See Attached.


These guys dropped a coil by incorporating the inverted cone with the wide loop.
http://www.hoelscher-hi.de/hendrik/english/coil.htm (http://www.hoelscher-hi.de/hendrik/english/coil.htm)

I am starting to see each stage of my tpu building as being many, many ways. Just like we were told in the beginning.
I also see the Neon bulb as a replacement for a tube that Tesla had in the car ride with his nephew. Same idea just a different circuit.

Thanks. I do have a 12vdc inverter to 120vac suggested by Fatbird today.
--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: pese on January 23, 2007, 08:30:34 AM
http://www.pixerve.de/43559/pese.html  "
http://www.pixerve.de/43515/pese.html  "
Note: 4Kv Transformatoren f?r Neonlicht Schriftz?ge
      oder Z?ndtrafo von ?l-Heizung (bedingt-?ndern.)

http://www.teslapress.com/tesla_what_he_is.html  tesla murdered 1943
http://tesla.tribe.net/thread/2b63ba82-48d1-452d-b703-fc621319dd4d

links found in:

http://www.stormloader.com/members/pese/links.html


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on January 23, 2007, 11:30:14 AM
Pese,
Thank you for the links specially the one about a movie about Tesla. I was sad to realise about David Bowie playing the role of Tesla. It should have been Arnold Schwartznigar. Of course Edisson's idea of a light bulb was just a front for supplying the market with heroin filled light bulbs. Then Tesla comes along with his FE powered car and the car chase etc etc. I need a holiday!


AM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 23, 2007, 07:12:59 PM
I think Pese is right.  There's something wrong with that radiant charger circuit.  The SCR is wired in on the wrong side and also I don't think you can used the bridge rectifier.

You have to follow the current flow very carefully to see it.

However, the core values are still not critical.  If it's like the Bedini motor all you need is welding wire.

In the Bedini motor (according to my present understanding) what happens is as the magnet approaches (or is moving away from it... not sure) the core it induces a current into the feedback winding, which then turns on the transistor, which then causes current to flow in another parallel winding, which then causes a counter magnetic field to form in the core, which then neutralizes the magnetic attraction between the magnet on the wheel and the steel in the core.  This in turn allows the magnet / wheel to pass over, or past, the core without any back drag.  During this process radiant energy is produced in the narrow back EMF spike (the window).  The trick is, you must adjust the bias of the transistor so that it turns on just enough to cancel out the magnetic field (equal repulsion) that is being induced by the approaching (moving away) magnet.  When this happens the magnetic field is chocked off inside the core and RE will manifest in that window.  The counter magnetic field must be at its exact equal when the magnet is a dead center of the core (or as it it just moving away from the core), thus there is no attraction (as I understand it). 

You can replace the wheel by just placing a (weak) magnet right on top, or very close, to the core, or even place another coil right on top of the main core (the coil will provide the counter field ).  Once a field is formed in the core the transistor will turn on and an oscillation will start.  You don't really need to build the motor.  You just need to build the three winding core and arrange the circuit to feed back an electrical pulse to the transistor which then turns on and neutralizes the magnetic field which makes the transistor turn off, and on and on it goes.  If everything is just right you'll get the radiant pulse.  John says your waveform should look like the output of a Tesla coil.  It will ring.

This is my current understanding.  I think that (apparently faulty) circuit can be made to work if you understand how the Bedini motor works.



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 23, 2007, 08:58:04 PM
Ordered 6 samples of h11d1 opto isolators from Fairchild Direct. 2nd day UPS. $0.00 total cost.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 24, 2007, 01:31:21 AM
Ordered 6 samples of h11d1 opto isolators from Fairchild Direct. 2nd day UPS. $0.00 total cost.


Order some fast FET drivers too.  That's important.  Your rise and fall times need to be as fast as possible.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 24, 2007, 02:33:39 AM
Way ahead of ya there bud! They were free too! Fets and drivers! ;D

Next I get bridge and 3055s.

--giantkiller. 8)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 24, 2007, 02:36:28 AM
Ok -- I've just visited John's site and looked at one of his schematics.  From what I can see it's the same configuration for the SCR.  I'm starting to think that it will work as wired, in that we don't fully understand what is going on within the circuit re the dynamics.

John's not stupid.  Either he has published a faulty drawing or we don't understand it.  The only way I can see the SCR turning off is if there is a pulse from the coil system that is large enough to overcome the forward bias caused by the batteries.  I'm still thinking on it, but that's what seems to be going on.

Here's the site. http://www.icehouse.net/john34/bedinibearden.html

here's the charger motor.  See attached.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 24, 2007, 02:37:37 AM
Way ahead of ya there bud! They were free too! Fets and drivers! ;D

Next I get bridge and 3055s.

--giantkiller. 8)

What are you using the 3055s for, if you don't mind my asking?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 24, 2007, 02:57:39 AM
Way ahead of ya there bud! They were free too! Fets and drivers! ;D

Next I get bridge and 3055s.

--giantkiller. 8)

What are you using the 3055s for, if you don't mind my asking?

That is the power transistor 2n3055. I will have back up parts for other test. I snag samples whenever I can.

And I got that schem too.

Do you think that Bedini would blow smoke after all he's been up to at this point to falsify?
He has done too much. About the solid state ckt. Is a coil not needed? Fatbird said the inverer to the coil. So there are 2 trains of thought. I got options. Because with an inverter to the opto and radiant on the other side then this ain't tough at all. But that sounds like alot of shortcuts. ???

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 24, 2007, 03:01:06 AM
Way ahead of ya there bud! They were free too! Fets and drivers! ;D

Next I get bridge and 3055s.

--giantkiller. 8)

What are you using the 3055s for, if you don't mind my asking?

That is the power transistor 2n3055. I will have back up parts for other test. I snag samples whenever I can.

And I got that schem too.

Do you think that Bedini would blow smoke after all he's been up to at this point to falsify?
He has done too much. About the solid state ckt. Is a coil not needed? Fatbird said the inverer to the coil. So there are 2 trains of thought. I got options. Because with an inverter to the opto and radiant on the other side then this ain't tough at all. But that sounds like alot of shortcuts. ???

--giantkiller.

I'm not sure what you're referring to. Can you elaborate?  What is it that you want to do?

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 24, 2007, 03:17:14 AM
Way ahead of ya there bud! They were free too! Fets and drivers! ;D

Next I get bridge and 3055s.

--giantkiller. 8)

What are you using the 3055s for, if you don't mind my asking?

That is the power transistor 2n3055. I will have back up parts for other test. I snag samples whenever I can.

And I got that schem too.

Do you think that Bedini would blow smoke after all he's been up to at this point to falsify?
He has done too much. About the solid state ckt. Is a coil not needed? Fatbird said the inverer to the coil. So there are 2 trains of thought. I got options. Because with an inverter to the opto and radiant on the other side then this ain't tough at all. But that sounds like alot of shortcuts. ???

--giantkiller.

Here's another configuration to choose from.  I'm just emitting brain farts here.  You will have to play with the resistor values to get the bias right.

If you're going to experiment with these circuits I would get the oscillator working and not worry about the the SCR circuit (unless one is dependent on the other).

See attached.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 24, 2007, 05:12:14 AM
Way ahead of ya there bud! They were free too! Fets and drivers! ;D

Next I get bridge and 3055s.

--giantkiller. 8)

What are you using the 3055s for, if you don't mind my asking?

That is the power transistor 2n3055. I will have back up parts for other test. I snag samples whenever I can.

And I got that schem too.

Do you think that Bedini would blow smoke after all he's been up to at this point to falsify?
He has done too much. About the solid state ckt. Is a coil not needed? Fatbird said the inverer to the coil. So there are 2 trains of thought. I got options. Because with an inverter to the opto and radiant on the other side then this ain't tough at all. But that sounds like alot of shortcuts. ???

--giantkiller.

Here's another configuration to choose from.  I'm just emitting brain farts here.  You will have to play with the resistor values to get the bias right.

If you're going to experiment with these circuits I would get the oscillator working and not worry about the the SCR circuit (unless one is dependent on the other).

See attached.

I have this schematic too.
If I rejumper my GK4 I will have the oscillator to the coil. I see on the RC3 you added the diode at the base. I'll be at this tomorrow night.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: aether22 on January 24, 2007, 10:48:07 AM
Hey, don't build John Bedini's motor.

I have figured out why that type of motor works.
It has to do with the gap, as the aetheric capacity changes (which can by changed in a C core coil by passing a capacitor (Otis T Carr, Swiss ML and others), a diamagnetic material (Don Smith), or a magnet through the core, this causes a flow of aether to take place in the winding, however no current need flow, first I believe it's possible to wind a bifilar coil (basically a tight canceling multilayer caduceus) to stop magnetic emf induction,or a normal coil can be used and the voltage generated can be opposed by an equal EMF such a battery or rectified smooth transformer.

This makes lots of sense based on things Robert Adams said in a lecture I attended. (about having 2 emf's cancel, that's when you get the effect without current)
It also explains why Peter Lindeman said on working with John Bedini that he could get it to work more as a transformer, or more as a generator, but it worked best when neither action was taking place.
Well that's because if the to a equal they mostly cancel out, it's not the electrical flow we are really after, that is sure to slow things down.

We want the aether to move.

So with the knowledge above you can do better than the bedini motor.
Or just use an alternator!
rectify it and smooth it and if you want cancel the voltage as described.

BTW I am only here rediscovering something that has already been written about in a book called the Earth Energy by John Bigelow, in that book the same info about gaps and canceling windings were given.


As for the TPU here is my pick:


One collector coil is the output, it runs through a static magnetic field. (the static field may have a rectification effect as Hans Coler claimed making it DC)
One collector coil is connected to the feedback coil, for er feedback, if the feedback coil is so important as SM says it must be connected to an output (collector) to feed back)
One collector coil is an open circuit and freely resonates (much like a multi wave oscillator ring) this is the one the input it tuned to. (he says that it was tuned to the circumference of the collector coil, well that ONLY makes sense if at least one of then is an open circuit)

The control coils besides creating the spikes would be good to have a rotational effect and have an electric field between the collector and control coils.
This would then put it in line with Hamel the the Joe Cell and many many others as many devices have shown the aether loves to move at 90 degrees to an electric field.
There should be a wooden core as Steve Marks uses, and GK is probably right about iron.


Please use your heads:
1: Steve said vacuum tubes, not because they have great switching properties but because they have an aetheric output as has often been shown. (RE output if you prefer, or cold electricity)
2: There is a precessional force that can ONLY be created by aether moving as there is no mass moving.
3: He said the collector coil length is tuned to the device or visa versa, it is it's circumference that determines the frequency, this can ONLY happen if one of the collectors is an open circuit.
4: Why do you think he called it a feedback coil, obviously you feed the output back into it, this also helps the aether vortex.
5: Steven Marks went to the bother of using a wood frame, obviously it can work without wood as first time he used bailing wire, but wood is obviously a good idea.
6: Steel collectors ARE indicated by GK's results and SM's statments
7: The collector coils energized in a rotational manner makes lots of sense! both from an aether rotating point of view and others. (kicks adding up)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Thedane on January 24, 2007, 11:05:42 AM
I belive that the TPU is very similar to Alfred M. Hubbard: Coil Generator

He uses a coil configuration which apparently seems much like the TPU.
He also uses 3 different frequencies, one being very close to 6kHz.
The coil diameters are also calculated  :)

http://web.archive.org/web/20060405155758/www.rexresearch.com/hubbard/hubbard.htm
http://www.whackster.com/energy/hubbard.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20041229201633/keelynet.com/interact/archive/00000259.htm
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 24, 2007, 08:21:20 PM
@all,
Thanks for the input. I am pondering the areas of physical, electrical, & effect designs at the same time. I see the differences of the inclusion and exclusion of cores, Solid state compared to inclusion of transformers. I don't want to run off in the wrong direction but I do agree that the kicks are gotten with +12v and 0.5 amps. I think that can get better. It has too.
So I heed all instructions. It could be that some Bedini configs are true and other combos are not.

On another note I thought I would share this. It is my next frequency toy. It is way outside the box with me.
http://www.stick.com/ (http://www.stick.com/)

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 25, 2007, 03:07:45 AM
Very bad forum constant database error.  Forum useless.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 25, 2007, 04:42:34 AM
Ok, so scope this out:
http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html (http://amasci.com/tesla/tesceive.html)
The quote from inside is this:
NOT CRACKPOTTY AFTER ALL
Note that this does not violate any rules of conventional physics. If we add stronger EM fields, they sum with the incoming EM plane waves and cause these radio waves to bend towards the tiny antenna, and the antenna absorbs them. This increases the antenna's EA (effective area, or effective aperture.) We can use this process to alter the coupling between the antenna and the surrounding space, but the total energy still follows the conservation law. The altered fields only change the "virtual size" or EA of the antenna.


Sound like a TPU, eh? Turbo and I had discussions on this a number of times. We both saw the the bending and the vortex field flowing into the ring.

Here's the interesting part. If we wish to receive power rather than signals, a critical issue arises.

Driving a tiny antenna with a large signal will create large currents and heat the antenna. Small antennas are inefficient when compared to half-wave dipoles. If we wish to maximize the virtual aperature of a really tiny antenna (e.g. make our 10KHz pie-plate coil act 10KM across,) we'll quickly be frustrated by wire heating. All the extra received energy will go into warming the copper. Possible solutions: use superconductor loops, or at low frequencies use the nearest equivalent to an AC-driven superconductor: a rotating permanent magnet(can you say rotating field?) or rotating capacitor plates.


I think I did this...?

He's produced kicks and has attained heat. Copy on gnosis.com from Mannix about the GK4.

Sound like more tuning, eh? So now I am thinking more controller turns to emminate more micro fields over the collectors increasing the antennea effect. More turns, Agh...
Or more loops in the coax based TPU, or lamp wire for more strands.
More controller windings can lessen the drive current. What if more windings of 30awg to lower the voltage requirement.

--giantkiller. Did I just crack this nut again? This excerpt does sound like a Bedini rendition.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on January 25, 2007, 04:33:48 PM
No.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 29, 2007, 05:16:37 AM
Gk5 wound and jumpered. 4 1/2 inch ring.
This is bifilar 16awg speaker wire, 3 layers one inside the other(concentric) of 10 turns. I took Otto's jumpering to the next level. This is from top to top, middle to middle, bottom to bottom from outside to middle to inside by 4 segments. Confused yet?
I can also jump it to 390721 transformer spec. That'll be next.
So this can be made like a triple mobius going in any layer direction or any depth direction. Looks like 108 combinations total.
Bottom line is : 4 segments of 3 concentric layers with dual runs of 41 strands each. Combinations like a Rubik's cube. I got 6 coils per segment. Total 24 coils, 984 strands.
Core is Easyflow audio 8awg, 700 strand silver coated copper, 4 turns.

This is hemi. Simple goal is bigger kicks. I really don't have to. Just to see how the Easyflow performs. Possibly get a vortex action with one of the jumper configs.
Granted, the strands are not insulated individually. This is the skin effect test also. Then on the Easylow, why is each strand silvered if they are not individually insulated? We shall see. I take chances to prove or disprove group imposed boundaries.

This one's for you Sonny. ;)

--giantkiller. 2 days left.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 29, 2007, 08:49:59 PM
Hmmm....

What's inside?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 30, 2007, 05:25:48 AM
Transferring from another site posted by jd0300.

OK EVERYONE

I'm making this easy for everybody! I copied the page, ran it through the translator (still preserved the pictures thankfully), and uploaded it to this post...

THIS PAGE HAS SO MANY COROLATIONS WITH MR. MARK'S EXPERIMENTS!!!

The article talks about two transformers that are 180 degrees out of phase with each other.... DC OUTPUT ON THE SECONDARY SIDE!!! It's all here... Check it out!!! I'm still reading it as I'm posting here.... and It just so happens that I have two identical transformers to try the tests out with....

Oh but here's the kicker.... look on the graphs to see what frequencies the author got these effects..... 3-6kHz!!!

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: sonny on January 30, 2007, 11:06:06 PM
thanks Giant, looks like the sports model ;D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on January 31, 2007, 02:40:17 AM
Ok guys
Heres the setup 3. 4'' coils 60 turns primary 2 in parallel #30 AWG. 4 segments @90 degrees 22 AWG 60 turns in series, all copper with the middle coil open and used as the collector. Only the top and bottom coil are powered 4.5V smooth DC@ 25 watts in @approximately12 KHZ. I am getting 99 volt DC spikes on the scope at just over 4 KHZ and a rotating field that is vertical and counter clock wise. I know this because i used a compose to verify rotation.How ever the thing that really gets me exited is what happens when a neo mag is dropped in to the coils when powered. They are violently thrown from side to side and top to bottom of the coils and seem to be held inside the coils by the magnetic field with in the coils themselves while these neo mags are being pummeled, the voltage spikes on the scope are over 300 volts. I still cant manage any usable power but it is interesting. (As in no lighting a bulb). I have kicks and a rotating field and 300V DC spikes. Now what G.K ? ::)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 31, 2007, 05:06:14 AM
@Moab,
Congratulations on acquiring kicks! Your results are better that mine with the slight change in construction. Impressive and welcome to the club.
If you could draw out a diagram and post it. The differences are of great importance. This validates the 'Many ways to get there' postings.

This continuing saga connects to the following:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1910.msg22220.html#msg22220] (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1910.msg22220.html#msg22220)

--giantkiller. This is the next step.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on January 31, 2007, 05:19:08 PM
Ok guys
Heres the setup 3. 4'' coils 60 turns primary 2 in parallel #30 AWG. 4 segments @90 degrees 22 AWG 60 turns in series, all copper with the middle coil open and used as the collector. Only the top and bottom coil are powered 4.5V smooth DC@ 25 watts in @approximately12 KHZ. I am getting 99 volt DC spikes on the scope at just over 4 KHZ and a rotating field that is vertical and counter clock wise. I know this because i used a compose to verify rotation.How ever the thing that really gets me exited is what happens when a neo mag is dropped in to the coils when powered. They are violently thrown from side to side and top to bottom of the coils and seem to be held inside the coils by the magnetic field with in the coils themselves while these neo mags are being pummeled, the voltage spikes on the scope are over 300 volts. I still cant manage any usable power but it is interesting. (As in no lighting a bulb). I have kicks and a rotating field and 300V DC spikes. Now what G.K ? ::)

If you've got a magnetic field inside the ring then wind a solenoid coil (20-30 turns) around some sort of core material and put it inside the ring (horizontally then try vertically).  See if you can tap some power from the field.  A field that strong should generate power (according to conventional wisdom). 
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 31, 2007, 05:51:27 PM
Ok guys
Heres the setup 3. 4'' coils 60 turns primary 2 in parallel #30 AWG. 4 segments @90 degrees 22 AWG 60 turns in series, all copper with the middle coil open and used as the collector. Only the top and bottom coil are powered 4.5V smooth DC@ 25 watts in @approximately12 KHZ. I am getting 99 volt DC spikes on the scope at just over 4 KHZ and a rotating field that is vertical and counter clock wise. I know this because i used a compose to verify rotation.How ever the thing that really gets me exited is what happens when a neo mag is dropped in to the coils when powered. They are violently thrown from side to side and top to bottom of the coils and seem to be held inside the coils by the magnetic field with in the coils themselves while these neo mags are being pummeled, the voltage spikes on the scope are over 300 volts. I still cant manage any usable power but it is interesting. (As in no lighting a bulb). I have kicks and a rotating field and 300V DC spikes. Now what G.K ? ::)

If you've got a magnetic field inside the ring then wind a solenoid coil (20-30 turns) around some sort of core material and put it inside the ring (horizontally then try vertically).  See if you can tap some power from the field.  A field that strong should generate power (according to conventional wisdom). 

Bingo!!!!!!!! Great snag!
Look at the center of the SM17. The 2 coils are radiant receptors. The ratios look large when looking at the # of turns, the change in awg, and the wave distance. The 2 black caps at the inside edge are the large coil input caps. The 2 receptors are the equivilant to the bifilar feedback windings. Ever wonder why they are not visible in the cutaway version? And isn't there a need for feedback loop control of the 2 freqs going in?
Lets take a leap here. I am looking at things this way. On the Cutaway, I see 4 sets of white, what looks like lamp, wire, Top, middle, bottom and the inner circumference set. I am thinking that this represents 4 segments? And look at the awg coming out of the center of the center coils.

Also,
I ran my GK5, 16 awg lamp wire. I appears as a dead short and conducts as such. Experiment is a success! I could up the volts and the trannys to gen a field but I am not. The GK4 @ 30awg controllers worked just fine and we are trying to maintain low input. The kicks are the greater output result of smaller input. Moab reported good results with 30awg. Previous postings also report the same with magwire.

--giantkiller. Kicks are for geeks! I will not apologize for having fun or getting results! This is not a job, it IS the adventure. Enjoy it or keep your life.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on January 31, 2007, 07:41:58 PM
OK Guys

Here are the files that GK ask for two vids and two pics. The RF flame one isnt too good. But it speaks for itsself.
Iron head ask me to charge a cap and try to light a bulb. That didnt work out to well but the flame that i got from grounding the cap leads is cool. the cap's are two 108 mfcg run caps in series charged ftom collector #2 for about 20 secounds. The flame effect on;y ;ast a few secounds as you can se Keep in mind that my diagram shows 4 coils 3 are in typical TPU fashon of 60 turns each at 90*and the fourth is the 60 turns over the other three.. I hope you all understand  MOAB
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on January 31, 2007, 07:59:13 PM
Made a smaller file. Hope it works for you. MOAB
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on January 31, 2007, 10:03:33 PM
@Moab, Very, very cool! Glad to see things are what they should be.
I hope the Radiant thread post helps you out in the next step.

I hooked caps in too and the signal dropped out. I am still in this step though. One at a time for me.
I'll have to view the video later.

--giantkiller. Kicks are for geeks!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on January 31, 2007, 10:53:20 PM
Did anyone try to view the video? I tried to download it and it didn't work . said it wasn't a .mov file. Let me know if you guys/gals are able to open the files i post. otherwise it is a wast of band width. Many thanks. MOAB
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Thaelin on January 31, 2007, 11:24:12 PM
   Well the RF Flame worked ok but the other had some kind of error in it and would not play at all. That was with the latest QT player. Definitely RF in nature for sure.

   Noticed you are rotating the coil segments as you stack, is that correct?

Off to the surplus shop, just called to tell me that he has some >5000ft rolls of different sizes and types of wire. The word cheap is the clencher. 

suggie
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: MeggerMan on January 31, 2007, 11:30:39 PM
Hi Moab,
Yes, the second video RF_FLAME_Colector2.MOV works fine, but the movie NEO__MAG_FIELD.MOV fails to start.
I may try it later on my Linux box to see if that can run it.

How did you do the white lettering artwork on your PCB, did you screen print it on?
Unusual spark sequence, I am guessing it needs to arc to get the current to flow to create the high voltage.
I have seen this sequence before when a substation insulation breaks down and the resulting spark is tens of feet long.
I was trying to firgure out your sketch, but could not see a logical pattern in the field sequence.

Regards
Rob
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on January 31, 2007, 11:57:02 PM
@ Meggerman,How did you do the white lettering artwork on your PCB,?
 
My good friend owns a company that develops R/C for any application you could think of He has a plotter that prints and punches PC boards\.

@meggerman, I was trying to firgure out your sketch, but could not see a logical pattern in the field sequence.
 
The top(Work of art) LOL.  Is in linear format. as if you were to slice the coils and unroll them, the bottom is from left to right as you would stack the coils the colors are the different segments. Just a quick and dirty sketch to give an idea of how this monstrosity is configured.

@Sugra Noticed you are rotating the coil segments as you stack, is that correct?

Yes they are rotating CCW..

                           MOAB

                                      Moab
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mflynn44 on February 01, 2007, 12:31:02 AM
Hello all,

from http://www.stralingbewustzijn.nl/schone-energie/index.htm (http://www.stralingbewustzijn.nl/schone-energie/index.htm)

Oscillator with two acceleration coils
Also as not inductive coil or Bistroem oscillator marks.
 
The two coil oscillators must be equal strong identically and.
They are switched together phases rotated as bridge.
 
The magnet cores or tube amplifier work as ZPE- magnetic flow accelerator with pulsating direct current, not with alternating current. Therefore for an independently reciprocating current generator at least two separate magnetic flow accelerators are needed, which pulse as bridge changing.

If a magnetic river flows parallel to an electrical conductor, its speed is multiplied.
If a magnetic river flows parallel to an electrical conductor, its electrons are loaded (doped), and generated from available particles such as Helion 1 and 2 a centrifugally accelerated magnetic (Protronen) river. Thus the magnetic river is concentrated and accelerated.
A magnetic Protronen current results in the leader due to the surplus. This current evades because of lack of space of the center from to both ends, moves in accordance with (rights handregel) as spiral around the leader, and radiates.
The two coils with a Kondenstor can swing with their periodic resonance.
 
The two coils can be wound also on a core next to each other.
See generatorgenerator generator:
The pole direction of the magnetic field is unimportant, because the field flows only slowly.
The field from the next smaller particles (deutron) circulates inside than giving strength.

in German:

Oszillator mit zwei Beschleunigungsspulen
Auch als nicht induktive Spule oder Bistr?m Oszillator bezeichnet.
 
Die zwei Spulen-Oszillatoren m?ssen identisch und gleich stark sein.
Sie werden Phasen verdreht als Br?cke aneinander geschaltet.
 
Die Magnetkerne oder R?hrenverst?rker arbeiten als ZPE- Magnetflussbeschleuniger mit pulsierendem Gleichstrom, nicht mit Wechselstrom. Deshalb werden f?r einen selbstst?ndig oszillierenden Stromgenerator mindestens zwei getrennte Magnetflussbeschleuniger ben?tigt, die als Br?cke wechselnd pulsen.

Wenn ein magnetischer Fluss parallel zu einem elektrischen Leiter flie?t, wird dessen Geschwindigkeit vervielfacht.
Wenn ein magnetischer Fluss parallel zu einem elektrischen Leiter flie?t, werden seine Elektronen geladen (gedopt), und generiert aus vorhanden Teilchen wie Helion 1 und 2 einen zentrifugal beschleunigten magnetischen (Protronen) Fluss. Dadurch wird der magnetische Fluss konzentriert und beschleunigt.
Es ergibt sich im Leiter auf Grund des ?berschusses eine magnetische Protronen-Str?mung. Diese Str?mung weicht wegen Platzmangel von der Mitte aus zu beiden Enden aus, bewegt sich gem?? der (Rechte Handregel) als Spirale um den Leiter, und strahlt ab.
Die beiden Spulen mit einem Kondenstor k?nnen mit ihrer Eigenresonanz schwingen.
 
Die beiden Spulen k?nnen auch auf einen Kern nebeneinander gewickelt sein.
Siehe Zyklonengenerator:
Die Polrichtung des Magnetfeldes ist unwichtig, weil das Feld nur langsam flie?t.
Das Feld aus den n?chst kleineren Teilchen (deutron) zirkuliert innen als gebende Kraft.

Can somebody provide a better translation into English?

The website referenced above has a lot of information regarding collecting radiant energy. Actually, he provides a good description of how the TPU should work; it's just a matter of changing a few connections on our present TPUs.

Michael Flynn
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 01, 2007, 12:58:10 AM
The website referenced above has a lot of information regarding collecting radiant energy. Actually, he provides a good description of how the TPU should work; it's just a matter of changing a few connections on our present TPUs.

Michael Flynn


Thank you for posting that! I quoted the most important part. Moab followed the GK4 instructions and made slight modification and way better results! That fits in with the quote. Simple little changes of some kind of coil looping of inter folding. This monster is gonna grow. It all happens after the kicks.

Again, Thanks Mike.

--giantkiller. Progress is one step at a time. In case anybody is confused? The quotes are out of the Bible. Sorry if it sounded like I make this up.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mflynn44 on February 01, 2007, 01:37:17 AM
Yes GK, one step at a time. It looks as if we might try connecting our control coils bucking in pairs and the iron collector coil (dissimilar metals important) in series with the control coils to generate power (not just voltage) in the collector.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on February 01, 2007, 02:24:36 AM
The website referenced above has a lot of information regarding collecting radiant energy. Actually, he provides a good description of how the TPU should work; it's just a matter of changing a few connections on our present TPUs.

Michael Flynn


Thank you for posting that! I quoted the most important part. Moab followed the GK4 instructions and made slight modification and way better results! That fits in with the quote. Simple little changes of some kind of coil looping of inter folding. This monster is gonna grow. It all happens after the kicks.

Again, Thanks Mike.

--giantkiller. Progress is one step at a time. In case anybody is confused? The quotes are out of the Bible. Sorry if it sounded like I make this up.

Simple little changes!!

no one can believe how true that statement really is. It takes many hours of small changes.One thing at a time.Try this try that. its maddening sometimes.Heres a tip for you pulsers Use an AM radio and tune it to near the infrequencies you are pulsing your coils at when you get the right kind of kicks and the coils are open you will know it.

When i stated earlier in this thread that a light bulb test didn't work out, I was thinking of a light bulb that would stay light. Mine just burned out. as it turns out these caps i am using are storing energy, Just not the kind of electricity that a common light bulb will work well with. In my case the bulb glowed a brilliant blue/white for a second and burned out. Not a success? YES it was. it proved to me that even though i had no usable currant before i hooked up caps that what little i did have could be stored in a cap and discharged.

When you read "KICKS". think of a sloshing motion in a wire.one direction is the pulse you put into it and the reverse is the radiant energy taking the place of your DC pulse when it is not present. When your DC pulse is introduced the KICK happens the kick is the RE we all strive to achieve. it is what you will here on your radio when your close.and it is what is stored in my caps,  once you find it other things become obvious to you.

Frequencies are the key to the kicks. Your coils are different than mine, and so to will be your freq. This is not a one freq fits all undertaking.THIS is important.don't bother with two or three at a time stick to one until you have kicks on your scope or a squealing on your am radio if you don't have a scope. when you have kicks move on to the next freq and try. I only had to make two the third IS resonance.you wont mistake it when you stumble upon it.
 
As GK said small changes.What may seem like no change at all. And keep after it you will find your kicks. Time to put the search for kicks behind me and move on. Ill post when i have more. I hope my poor analogies have helped someone obtain a goal      Thank you all for your help. And the good reading.     MOAB
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 01, 2007, 02:50:22 AM
Yes GK, one step at a time. It looks as if we might try connecting our control coils bucking in pairs and the iron collector coil (dissimilar metals important) in series with the control coils to generate power (not just voltage) in the collector.

And that is where Otto and I have gone. The tesla 390721 transformer is the key of 30awg CU. And my FE 22 turn loops with 5ohms 10 watt are not a dead short! Figure that out! That gives opposing fields of n-n at 12 and 6 o'clock and s-s at 3 9 o'clock. I posted a avi of that action. I will post it again. avi is slo-mo. I am working on a static model for future postings.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 01, 2007, 03:07:20 AM
Powerful! And the 'Scream team' moves on.
There is also another anomymous member on the team who is achieving things that will harm the non believers. I've seen it and it is amazing! Puff -n- holler, smoke -n- mirrors? Without kicks you won't understand. It has all been spelled out.

--giantkiller. Rock -n- roll!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 01, 2007, 03:54:17 AM
Come one, come all and see what Tesla saw!
These videos are incredible!
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22654.html#msg22654
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22661.html#msg22661

VLC media player.
This viewer is the best for getting aroung viewing problems.
http://www.videolan.org (http://www.videolan.org)

Fired right up. Skips all the Apple doo doo.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on February 01, 2007, 02:24:45 PM
What is my next step?
To siphon some of this new energy from the collector and introduce it back into the powered coils at the exact moment the DC pulse is in off cycle. I will use a much smaller cap to harvest and store it then i will attempt to use the the third 555 timer to send it at the correct moment.The problem with all of this is that there is yet no way to measure RE, If that really is whats going on in my caps. And the caps do not discharge in a pop like normal, They seem to fizzle instead. So what size of a cap? lets say 100uf to start with? also will a 555 as we have been building them do anything in regards to timing? I don't know, never the less i will have to rely on the DC component to trigger timing pulse. Has anyone a better idea. Thank you GK for your kind words. though i wouldn't refer to the videos "amazing"
                                                                    MOAB
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on February 01, 2007, 07:19:54 PM
Here's a circuit that came to mind.  I got this idea from John Bedini's charger circuit.

The TPU collector coil will charge up a capacitor with (hopefully) radiant energy.  When the capacitor reaches the firing voltage of the neon bulb (or zener) the SCR will fire and dump its charge back into the TPU feedback coil.  The capacitor will have a much larger current kick which may provide more amplification, or it may have a more dramatic effect due to the circuit's (independent) asynchronous nature.  When there is more current dumped into the feedback coil there will be more of a kick generated in the collector coil.  This may cause more positive feedback into the system, which in turn will cause the capacitor to charge faster and so on.  You may be able to run a load off the capacitor discharge.  Also, you can select the voltage that you wish to expose your load to.  The nice thing about this arraignment is that it is totally isolated and does not require any external controller.

Also, I think you may be able to charge batteries from this circuit just like the Bedini charger circuit does.

See attached.

MORE THOUGHTS:

If the system runs at an energy gain then the capacitor discharge will go faster and faster.  If this happens you may get a runaway TPU, so be careful.

John Bedini has stated that semiconductors work much faster when they are switching radiant energy.  So, if the capacitor is actually being charged with RE then the SCR rise time will be much faster, which may produce even more RE.  Remember  that when RE is used to manifest more RE you get a "magnifying" effect. This, I think, is why the TPU runs at a gain when in feedback mode.

--- Wear goggles ---

EVEN MORE THOUGHTS:

Some people may ask why one would bother to charge a capacitor then discharge it into the feedback coil rather than just routing the TPU collector coil directly into the feedback coil.  At first glance this circuit may seem to be superfluous.  However, one must keep in mind that capacitors *transform* RE into a  --- usable form ---.  At least this is what John Bedini has stated.  So, if such is the case, you may get a more dramatic effect when using a capacitor discharge feedback method.


EVEN MORE THOUGHTS:

I've added a bridge rectifier in the second version.  I'm thinking that a fast recovery rectifier should be used here.  See attached.



MRL


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on February 02, 2007, 04:24:09 AM
I Thahk you MRL for that!

I will give that a try. though it will take me some time as it is back to work for me making more inefficient things. But hey at least I'm good at that. It took 25 watts to make this 13 watt cathode light at 1/4 its potential!!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 02, 2007, 05:43:12 AM
I see that you placed it on a pancake. I got 3 of those! I want to use them in some way. So how did you hook them in?

Tnx,
--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 02, 2007, 06:14:04 AM
@Moab,
What happened to the schematic you posted?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on February 02, 2007, 11:07:59 AM


from http://www.stralingbewustzijn.nl/schone-energie/index.htm (http://www.stralingbewustzijn.nl/schone-energie/index.htm)
.
.
.
Siehe Zyklonengenerator:

@Michael
This site you pointed at is excellent. Also I think "Oszillator mit zwei Beschleunigungsspulen" definitely sounds credible. I however can not find what you described on the link you posted. Where is it?

AM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Spherenot on February 02, 2007, 12:24:17 PM
@Moab,
What happened to the schematic you posted?

--giantkiller.


Do you mean this image?

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on February 02, 2007, 01:45:50 PM
@ Spherenot. Thanks for reposting, I must have unchecked it when i attached the smaller Neo/Magfield vid. I will have to make a better one.

@ GK. The pancake was a test. It showed me that DC currant in small amounts can be collected. Some of the purest smooth DC iv seen.
                                                                    MOAB
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 02, 2007, 06:29:51 PM
@ Moab,
Can we name your TPU Moab1? Trying to keep it simple.

Spherenot ask about which coil to wind. I slept on it. And this is the pattern I came up with.
GK4 shook magnets, made noise, and smacked the skies. Moab's coil then added to that making the magnet move violently. I attribute this to the open middle coil addition mainly. Previously
@mflynn44 mentioned puting power collection in the center.
@Grumpy stated that we are choking the system.
So, I am looking at the SM17 and I see the feedback windings are gone. I believe they are moved to the center as those little coils on top of the control unit. What a better place, eh? That way part of the choking is alleviated AND the feedback is at the highest concentration of flux impact. Just off center of the wave center! Sounds pretty valid? makes frequency control easier! The 2 black caps are there also for the input for the radiant expression of this design.

My next TPU(GK6) will be 4 or 3 loops (segments?) of RG6 video cable. The copper centers will be the collectors, the ground shielding will be the controllers(4), and the center coils will be the feedback. The cost is $10.00 USD. And that, my friends, is what we want! This will be an easy test.

I then can make this configuration any diameter, single loop each segment in only an hours time.

The parameters specifically tied together are the diameter, the height distance of each loop from each other, the 2 freqs, and the 2 coil specs( I bet they are close) for resonancy of the 2 frequencies(because they are close).

So, Spherenot, the answer to your question is once you have your 555s up then here are 3 answers, the later being the most expediant and of least cost in monies and labor. And a quicker bench check for your circuit while showing you results. And if this produces more power then plz be safe.
Otto got heat & sparks, I got heat & shook magnets, Moab got sparks & threw magnets. I was the ony one that didn't drive a light bulb. These devices all produce kicks. In the next appreciable step, the device should rumble.

In the GK4 device, the segments are pulsed in a verticle pattern across the 3 layers. In the Moab1 they are pulsed angularly in a 45 degree pattern. The GK4 then has one North segment in a bucking pattern against 3 dead segments. This produces no magnetic spin. But the Moab1 with the skewed coil connection essentially gives a 3 north to 1 dead segment pulsed pattern and in a rotating pattern. If you watch Moab1 magnet move you can see the spirographic dance. The magnet spins on its axis one way while traveling in the opposite direction. I also see uncontrolled levitation. I see other experiments in this arena if the magnet could be held in a static axis off central center of the coil and allowed to spin around the coil center.

I recall seeing the post that the SM15 & 17 do not spin magnets or compasses. RFC on that.

--giantkiller. My engines are revving...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mflynn44 on February 02, 2007, 06:29:06 PM


from http://www.stralingbewustzijn.nl/schone-energie/index.htm (http://www.stralingbewustzijn.nl/schone-energie/index.htm)
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Siehe Zyklonengenerator:

@Michael
This site you pointed at is excellent. Also I think "Oszillator mit zwei Beschleunigungsspulen" definitely sounds credible. I however can not find what you described on the link you posted. Where is it?

AM


@AM

It's still there. Check the link to magnetic flow accelerator from the main page. I think many of the secrets to the TPU are on this excellent site. At least enough to build a proof of concept device. That is, a device with power available in the collector, not just voltage spikes.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on February 03, 2007, 06:23:37 AM
GREAT post Giantkiller!!
 I have thought of using coax as well and your post has inspired me to do so. Rg6 and #11 flat braided litz wire. Simple and inexpensive! I will keep the 45* configuration and maybe only three segments this time. It should lend its self to easy tuning of freq. Moab #2, 3 turns.3 segments.3 coils.. Anyone want some phi? ::)  One problem though. RG6 conductor is copper coated steel wire (i think?)   Moab
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Spherenot on February 03, 2007, 04:46:21 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on February 03, 2007, 07:36:42 PM
Copy away Spherenot! I want everyone to build new things, If any of my ideas are useful that is great. There are some things that i cannot post though, Common sense. tells me not to as it would be fuel for the non Believer. All i can say is If you succeed in capturing radiant energy no matter how small the amount you will understand. I have seen fire from the radiant energy dragon and it is most beautiful. And it ts most definitely real. Get those timers built spherenot, and see it for yourself.
                                                                                                 Moab

PS. i think i have been reading to many of GK's post (No offense GK) :-\
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 03, 2007, 08:01:33 PM
Today boys and girls, we have a special guest.
We are going to be shown the construction techniques of the SM15 & SM17s. Please hold your questions till the end and raise your hand should you have to leave to use the facilitites.

Let's begin...
At this point I refer to the diagram.
Now wasn't that easy?

When you are all done constructing this model and the liquid material has dried over a 12 hour period,
Flip it over and what do you have? Any size ring you need!
Remember though, the diameter controls the 2 frequencies and the height distance between the collectors.

Till next time! Which is coming right up so stay tuned.
And now a word from our sponsor...

--giantkiller. Ask and you shall receive...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 03, 2007, 08:47:29 PM
Welcome back my friends,
to the show that never ends,
We're so glad you could attend,
come inside, come inside...

Let's talk about the main 2 coil designs.
The first one is the SM4 & SM6.
Theses have the feedback coils encompassing the whole unit.

The SM15 & SM17 have their feedback coils close to the center of the ring. Near the highest concentration of flux.
It is as I had posted all those 3d wave diagrams before.

The 4 & 6 are refered to as coils while the 15 & 17 are refered to as rings.

Steven Mark is an accomplished audio engineer.
That gave the idea to use my guitar with a sound processor as a magnetic field and interference pick up device. The sound processor enabled me to hear freqs out of range. Eddy Van Halen 'Eat your heart out'.

So when I saw the 2 coils in the 15 and 17 above the control box I realized that they are the feedbacks.

Ready for the drum roll?

The rings uses 2 frequencies to clash together and create a high powered, very high frequency wave that travels from the ring outward and inward! This inward wave is the one we want because it wipes across the control box coils in a compressing wave of energy at a concentrated point.
And the drums are getting louder! And remember the phrase 'It takes a moment to ramp up'?

Steven has placed 2 microphones inside the speaker in the amplification feedback loop!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!
Did you get that!

My job is done.
How fast can you blow an amp?  The coils and rings are speakers. Thank you Marco.
This has been very, very real for me!
All the musicians here stand and take a bow. You know what I am talking about!

The accompanying thread is paradyme gear shift forward. For those of you that didn't check out www.Paradyme.com. (http://www.Paradyme.com.) It is a privately held audio supply company in California. Remember any of these clues?
The gear is audio not auto! And the shift forward  was connected to the dolphin poem by sonny which was a  clear reference to Dave & Marco demos and then me. I am the reference of the dolphin.

I think I earned me keep, today. RFC as always. Let's blow some s**t up today!

--giantkiller. Shift happens...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on February 03, 2007, 09:17:38 PM
Quote by moab
Frequencies are the key to the kicks. Your coils are different than mine, and so to will be your freq. This is not a one freq fits all undertaking.THIS is important.don't bother with two or three at a time stick to one until you have kicks on your scope or a squealing on your am radio if you don't have a scope. when you have kicks move on to the next freq and try. I only had to make two the third IS resonance.you wont mistake it when you stumble upon it.







remember when i said that i only had to make two and the third IS RESONANCE? this is what we are looking fore. Just find the right two frequencies for YOUR coils and the third will happen all by its self. Moab
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on February 03, 2007, 09:19:19 PM
Parts arrive tomorrow on the truck..................just finished my cross compiler build....CRAZY magnets to follow.....................very interesting.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Spherenot on February 03, 2007, 09:33:37 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on February 03, 2007, 09:42:06 PM
I'm using a KwikByte ARM Devel board to handle the control functions. Driving MOSFETS with driver chips triggered by computer sensed feedback signals. My gens are DDS, 125MHz clock with .02Hz resolution, digitally tuned freqs and 11.5 deg phase control res. We'll see very shortly if this approach is sound or not. Once I find my coils sweet spot and tuning I'll post the schematic diags. If I get some interesting graphics I'll try to get some video up. I have to go back and look up Tesla's descriptions of the various EM discharges. Man it would have been cool to see Nicola with modern computing power and material science................C'mon truck.....Bring my shift....... :o
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on February 03, 2007, 09:58:25 PM
GK...................I'm definitely stickin some Hall Effect sensors into the "speaker" for a look at whats going on. My control coils are set for taps and cutting to get phase shifting and segmentation....I heard you............ ;D..... Next model will be a ring..pun intended..................
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Spherenot on February 03, 2007, 10:04:16 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 03, 2007, 10:43:14 PM
@Spherenot,
So you do understand...

@loki,
You should find interesting things.

Today it's GK6, tomorrow the world!
GK7 is too big for the house! I'll work the diagram up tonight. This should really rock the planet!

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on February 04, 2007, 04:25:22 AM
I had another look at the U54 tube. I couldn't shake the feeling that i had missed something. I took the small amount of inducted energy from the middle coil in to a 2.2 uf
cap. then in to pin6 and out of pin4 And and earth grounded pin2. Here is what i got. Looking at the Pics the big +spike is the kick and the smaller ones are precursor to large -spike. Pic2 shows that for every kick i cause with DC i get return 4 large - spikes. Now what dose this all mean? I'm not certain. But i have a good idea. Is it over unity? Nope! but it is a 3-1 ratio. i stepped my input down to 2VDC still around 4khz.and used very small caps because i didn't want to damage my only U54. wired eh? keep it going guys!

@loki ,yes i like the setup you described. very interesting. You should achieve kicks easily. Good luck to you in your search for them!!  Moab
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 04, 2007, 05:37:37 AM
@Moab, Great scope shot! Always progressing.

I have my GK6 posted here. It is a 1 receiver, central based which is a runaway condition, radiant transmitter. The Radiant driver circuit is being engineered in another country at this moment. I expect receipt by the end of the month. Same operation as my previous audio feedback post. As you can see it is incredibly simply and expected to operate at a higher level of wattage and danger. We'll see and this will be a really cool test of pulsing a wire to generate radiant pulses. The ingrediants are coax, romex, and ducttape. Total price so far is $4.00 USD.
--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on February 04, 2007, 06:45:01 AM
Looks great GK! as expected. And right where it needs to be! So you are trusting an outside source to produce your radiant driver circuits? Most gutsy indeed! build a coherer and loop one turn around your feedback and connect it to a continuity kill switch just to be safe. Until we have a better way to measure RE that seems to work best for me. Nice work!! GiantKiller. I cant wait to see your scope shots! ;D
                                                                                                  Moab.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Spherenot on February 04, 2007, 07:37:02 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 04, 2007, 07:56:49 AM
The control box under the receivers alters the input signal to reduce the feedback gain which maintains the stable power lever out which in turns controls the entire feedback loop.

I am starting the mass production model.

--giantkiller. For such a time as this...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 04, 2007, 07:58:43 AM
@spherenot,

I wrapped it open by hand and stepped on it.
It's 2 1/4 high, loop depth is 1". Wrap it around a static spray can.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on February 04, 2007, 10:51:17 AM
Hello All,

Thought I would share my progress with you. I have spent the entire day working on my new control circuit to power my new TPU prototypes. It is designed strictly for capacitive, pulsed, discharge into the coils. There are two independently controlled 555 timers both running off of a single 9V battery. The idea is to give the caps an initial charge from the battery, and then recycle the BEMF spikes after they are discharged to recover some of the energy. Then I will add a feedback circuit to charge the caps from the voltage produced from the collector coil.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: tomas on February 04, 2007, 11:19:18 AM
"When I began to study the effects of multiple frequencies combined together I found out that when you deliberately strive to create the worst case scenario of frequencies you start to get some very measurable kicks."

and the patent sais:

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: tomas on February 04, 2007, 11:19:26 AM


Steven has placed 2 microphones inside the speaker in the amplification feedback loop!
My job is done.
How fast can you blow an amp?  The coils and rings are speakers. Thank you Marco.
This has been very, very real for me!

--giantkiller. Shift happens...


the patent referents to another one :5850455 Discrete dynamic positioning of audio signals in a 360.degree. environment

it shows the big ball which can be rotated in two directions and some other intresting things.


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: tomas on February 04, 2007, 11:26:58 AM
also there is a link to another patent United States Patent 6829361 Headphones with integrated microphones.

this deals with speakers combined with mic's combined.

also involves generating a third so called phantom source from two real sources.



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Spherenot on February 04, 2007, 02:56:43 PM
...construction techniques of the SM15 & SM17s.
...Flip it over and what do you have? Any size ring you need!
Remember though, the diameter controls the 2 frequencies and the height distance between the collectors.

Great idea to use gravity as a fixture, GK.

SM wanted, not only to build the correct architecture, but also to conceal the correct architecture.  The foam and plastic are great for both of these objectives.

However, I feel that he may have paid a small price for his concealment: extra heat buildup.

As long as we have a rigid structure, we can open it up a bit to allow some convective cooling to take place; maybe add some large cooling vents between the loops.

I know it is a little early to start thinking about this final refinement but the open-source TPU can run cooler than the patented version because we have nothing to hide.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on February 04, 2007, 03:16:28 PM
I certainly agree with this line of thinking and I want to point out what I consider important points and just kind of think out loud on the fly. By the way, I babble like this into my engineering notebooks and then study what I write down. So I like to think of formus, such as this one, as a public domain engineering notebook. Open source engineering....works for software........will work here also. I will openly post all that I find and will not fade away leaving anyone without the details.

What happened to the output of the TPU's when a neo mag is dropped in the center? I would expect regenerative a degenerative induction from the moving magnetic field of the neo and fixed conductors. A little bit of "extra" amplitude but we definitely worked for it by producing the fields that moved the mag in the first place. Hmmm........Can we move the Earth's magnetic field a little bit? If so are we not placing additional tension, potential, into the equation by doing that. Can we then relax our tensioning of that field and capture the induced, in positive, regenerative, phase. When I want a circuit to oscillate, i.e. build and oscillator amplifier, I provide positive feedback from the amp's output to the amp's input. This is a self reinforcing condition and as GK says if left out of control will blow out amplifiers, and speakers, and fuses, and etc. So the mechanism is there, but we supply all of the input power to support the various wave disturbances. What we need is to provide some energy from outside of our systems and couple that into them in positive feedback phase with the input signals. That will have a very dramatic effect if I have a magnetic field that I don't have to pay for and one that won't deplete due to exposure to AC fields. Holy crap.......the earth has one of those available and we stand right in it every day of our lives. So the kicks are the interaction with the earth and they are little things, but a load of them provided back in the correct phase i.e. the first 90 degrees of a sinusoid will add in regenerative superposition to each other.



As Artie Johnson used to say on Laugh In.........Very....Very....Interesting.

This is the line of reasoning I'm following. This is why I'm building digital controls and using computers. I'm revisiting FFT and DFT and all my AC theory goodies plus looking at natural positive feedback mechanisms.
It seems to me that the fixed magnetic field of the planet is certainly the external additional source and I need to understand how to interact and couple with that. Just as long as I remember to sense, monitor, and control it....lest I generate smoking components. Ahhhh....the use of sensors and fast realtime processing. Open source is going to change the world........again........my friends.

*****************************Loki********************************
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on February 04, 2007, 03:52:02 PM
Some kind of magnetic crowbar or lever..........needs an offset fulcrum to setup a leverage. Pluck the earth's magnetic lines of force and let them ring like a guitar string? Tesla was really interested in the rings he saw from thunderstorms and specifically the impulse function so beautifully demonstrated in lightning discharges.

THINK......THINK.........THINK
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 04, 2007, 03:59:12 PM
Hi all!
Another shot heard 'round the world, eh?

And congratulations to your Paradyme shift!
Now the next set of minds will come into position to further the progress.

Yes, you can put open source equal to the personal computer, the printing press, the Gutenberg Bible, water wheel, gunpowder, & fire. It is not a weapon.
As Mflynn44 posted 'We are on the brink'. I don't see any arguments with that!

@jason, great circuit. ;)
@tomas, it's all very sloppy. :D
@Loki, my whole thread is babble! ;D
@Spherenot, you can lay little rolls of screen cross wise as you fill in with the foam for air passages or find a mechanical/material solution something simpler than that. Cooling is necessary, thanks. I will put that in the 3d pic.
@others working anonymous. Thanks. We are a great team and this is the greatest project on the planet! Tesla would be proud. I know Steven Mark is. And I am a wreck! We went over the 1 year deadline by 3 days. Not bad guys. Thanks Tao.

You guys have fun. I am going to sit a few days and further design the production model as I watch all of this just explode and as all of you grow. And I always accept input. Now it is your turn not to sleep. I think I am in the best place now. :D

Thank you, Steven Mark, for changing our world.

--giantkiller. You all know kung-fu! 8)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Spherenot on February 04, 2007, 04:04:36 PM
So I like to think of formus, such as this one, as a public domain engineering notebook. Open source engineering....works for software........will work here also.
Works 4 me 2!

Has anyone looked into the analogue nervous-network that I posted here:

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1959.0.html (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1959.0.html)

It may be a robust analogue method of feedback control.  Intended to control the gate and speed of low-cost walking robots, I think that it may be adaptable to control the feedback loop that we are discussing here.

I recall that if a robot leg met an obstacle in it's path the leg motor resistance, (or inductance,) increased and caused the controller to skip ahead to the next sequence, thereby quickening the pace and spending more time moving the opposite leg in the other direction without the obstacle.  The 4-position gate sequence might also change, on it's own, from a two-pulse mode to a one-pulse mode in response to multiple obstacles.

I saw Mark Tilden jangle his key ring on the nervous-net circuitry, as the robot was moving.  It responded with twitches and such while he was at it for a few seconds.  When he stopped, the damned thing just picked-up where it left off and started walking again.  What is the definition of robust?

Instead of leg motor coils we have just coils.  Instead of obstacles we have kicks.  Too many kicks is like too many obstacles, time to change gate and/or frequency.

I do not have the electrical background to make the exact connection between these two ideas, but pese does.  He was asking me about this yesterday.  What do you think, pese, will a "connection" be beneficial here?

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 04, 2007, 05:14:13 PM
A hieroglyphic model of SM17.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: tomas on February 04, 2007, 05:15:37 PM
Few things are more annoying than that ear piercing squeal that occurs when someone passes a microphone too close to a speaker. You usually try to avoid this by positioning your speakers away from the area where the mics will be used. Unfortunately, this is not always possible.

The solution is to incorporate an electronic feedback controller into your sound system. This device will detect feedback frequencies within a fraction of a second.........
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 04, 2007, 05:19:24 PM
I also believe it is not too premature to check another item off.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: EMdevices on February 04, 2007, 05:31:05 PM
Bravo guys,  I see a lot of excitement, nice graphics and photos.

So the only thing left is power conversion, I see.

Well, let me tell you what I see from your experiments (and from my experiments)

1)  Kicks are just spikes when power is disconected to an inductor,  woop-de-doo, nothing special.

2)  Rotating magnetic fields, as moab posted, nothing special either.   Just take an AC motor apart and pull out the rotor and power up the stator and then stick a magnet inside, it will go round and round.

3)  Resonance of the coils and capacitance that exists, again nothing special.

YOU KNOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL WHEN:

You get more power out.
You get some gyroscopic effect.
You get some levitation  :)

I'm not trying to discourage anybody, I'm just sharing my perspective, hopefully it will keep the exitement tempered and realistic.  By the way, I have not accomplished any of the 3 effects, and levitation is not a requirement, but would be nice to have.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on February 04, 2007, 07:20:33 PM
EMDevices..................Undoubtedly.................but the aggregate skill setting is paramount.................When I find the source to couple into the system, what ever that turns out to be, there will be power. This is just a very interesting avenue of research at this point............... ;D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on February 04, 2007, 07:42:01 PM
All experimental results are data.................do not discount finding puzzle pieces in what look to be failures......................... 8)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on February 04, 2007, 09:03:08 PM
YOU KNOW YOU HAVE SOMETHING SPECIAL WHEN:

You get more power out.
You get some gyroscopic effect.
You get some levitation  :)


I believe this to be the case too.
Have a look at US patent 5654723.
Also look at http://www.stralingbewustzijn.nl/schone-energie/levitationsma/levitationsma.htm
And how about this image for an idea?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: MrMag on February 04, 2007, 09:55:35 PM
Sorry, but I have to agree with EMdevices. Since GK saw a few spikes he is posting as if he has a working device. As an example, he is now saying that he is building a production model??? I don't think he has even made a light bulb glow at full brightness yet? It is great to see this type of enthusiasm but if he is wrong in what he is doing, he may be dragging a lot of people in the wrong direction.

Don't get me wrong, I have learned quite a bit in reading this thread. I think a lot of people know what is needed and the only thing we don't know is how to get there. There are a lot of great minds in here and hopefully we will get there soon.

I myself have built 5 TPU's mostly all different diameters and winding configurations. I haven't seen very much extraordinary activity, but have seen some unusual things. I am also a little tired of GK thanking Mr. Marks for changing our world. I am not sure in which world GK lives in. SM gave us some information but not much. If it wasn't for Dave, Turbo, Marco, Otto and others in pointing out or spelling out what to do, we would be in the same place we were a year ago. I think it is time for Mr. Marks to step up and feed us with a little more info. He wouldn't even need to post it to everyone. He knows who is close and who knows what they are doing. He could PM them and give them hints.

I usually don't bitch like this. Maybe it's the headache I've had for the last few days. I hope people don't start calling me Grumpy ;D.
By the way, where is the old fart?

Tim
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Spherenot on February 04, 2007, 11:24:32 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on February 05, 2007, 12:16:49 AM
The wonderful process of invention,discovery and replication.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 05, 2007, 02:28:43 AM
The wonderful process of invention,discovery and replication.

Don't we know, brother. Don't we know...

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 05, 2007, 05:17:09 PM
"One Ring to find them all and in their darkness bind them."

-giantkiller.  ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on February 06, 2007, 01:50:49 AM
"One Ring to find them all and in their darkness bind them."

-giantkiller.  ;)


Is it dark in here? or is it because it because i just came in from the light? 8)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: pese on February 06, 2007, 11:57:19 AM
Als if we comes from the dark in strong light...
we cant also see directly ,in this time anything !
We must wait then some moments....
GP
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 06, 2007, 06:45:38 PM
Als if we comes from the dark in strong light...
we cant also see directly ,in this time anything !
We must wait then some moments....
GP

 ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on February 06, 2007, 10:42:54 PM
Here's something to try.

Use spark plug wire for the collector coil, or maybe the control coils.

Radiant energy apparently likes resistance.  Spark plug wire is made of graphite.  This wire is about 4500 ohms per foot.  You can hit this sucker with a lot of Volts.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 06, 2007, 11:50:01 PM
Here's something to try.

Use spark plug wire for the collector coil, or maybe the control coils.

Radiant energy apparently likes resistance.  Spark plug wire is made of graphite.  This wire is about 4500 ohms per foot.  You can hit this sucker with a lot of Volts.



I got a flyback out of a monitor last night. It is on a full side board with other functions so I have more extraction to do. Then hook a wire or jumper cable to watch it jump. Then I have HV setup!

--giantkiller. I've sent Igor out for more brains!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on February 07, 2007, 02:27:56 AM
Here's something to try.

Use spark plug wire for the collector coil, or maybe the control coils.



--giantkiller. I've sent Igor out for more brains!

Just make sure the brains are not from Abbynormal.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on February 07, 2007, 03:45:15 AM
Here's something to try.

Use spark plug wire for the collector coil, or maybe the control coils.

Radiant energy apparently likes resistance.  Spark plug wire is made of graphite.  This wire is about 4500 ohms per foot.  You can hit this sucker with a lot of Volts.



I got a flyback out of a monitor last night. It is on a full side board with other
functions so I have more extraction to do. Then hook a wire or jumper cable to watch it jump. Then I have HV setup!

--giantkiller. I've sent Igor out for more brains!



Be Careful here GK, Now your getting in to some real weird Chitt!   :-\
                                                                           Moab
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 07, 2007, 03:55:29 AM
We rule! Dudes!

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 07, 2007, 04:14:29 AM
www.powerballs.com (http://www.powerballs.com)

I got mine. This thing kicks. It's like nunchuks but without the sticks.

My highest so far is 7k. Less than the girls record. Oooooh.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Spherenot on February 07, 2007, 01:31:20 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 07, 2007, 09:03:54 PM
Check out the pictures on page 5 & 8....
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat5654723.pdf (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat5654723.pdf)

@spherenot,
.01uf, .1uf, 1uf, 10uf. 200k audio pots.

Keep it clean.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Loki67671 on February 11, 2007, 01:57:09 AM
Loki's precious in Loki's Lair.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 11, 2007, 04:04:55 AM
Loki's precious in Loki's Lair.
u make dat pweshush sing!

Check out the ringing when you get kicks! This is the part of the wave that produces the overmodulating feedback for the ring...

The kick sends the amplifier into overmodulation immediately. The rings exacerbate the process. No ramp up time like regular instrument / amplifer pairing.

--giantkiller. Very, very cool.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on February 11, 2007, 08:24:22 PM
Hey GK & All,

I am not up to speed with some of you here, but I do make questing for knowledge by my own hand a part of my every day.

Here I mixed together a 9V, 555 w/ 1M-pot frq-ctrl, 50k-pot pls-wth-ctrl & 0.1 MF cap, 1000MF cap, Tesla flat bifilar coil, 1/4" neo-mag, soda closure, and oscilloscope.  See and hear the magnet buzz on the video attached here.

When I turn the magnet over on a particular face I hear a high pitched squeal.  (No video attached.)

This is nothing close to Moab's "neonado" magnet tornado show.  I am just exploring my abilities and sharing my progress, or lack thereof.

Rosphere--it's all good!  ;)


UPDATE: With this video I soldered-out the 0.1 MF cap on the timer board and replaced it with a 1 MF cap to get down into the single digit Hz range.  Then I replaced the neo-magnet with a compass and fiddled with my 555 knobs until the compass dial began to oscillate.  I watched it precess slowly all the way around the dial at a rate of one revolution in thirty seconds.  A video is attached for those interested.

I also deleted the two close-ups images because there is sufficient detail is in the first picture and the sizes are not small.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 12, 2007, 02:15:09 AM
Great shots and impeccable neatness.

Any results are good.

--giantkiller. tnx
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on February 12, 2007, 03:09:02 AM
Thanks GK.  I can not wait to see what you have been up to this weekend.  How is the new baby coming along; do you have any 'ultrasound' images to share?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 12, 2007, 05:04:53 AM
The object this session was to alleviate the wire jumpers from the middle of the TPU. I don't want anything in the field.
I have to switch some trannys around to run the freqs correctly.
The other graphic is the GK7(SM17) model. The loop drivers will be TPUs setup in rotating magnetic field pulsers(Thanks Marco & Moab). This is the direction I am heading. I have all the hardware for the configuration. Just got to piece it together. I have been accumulating all along. We won't know unless someone tries. So for those that have seen things in their working TPU, isn't cool?
So the list is:
I have to get the rings to fire from kicks with trailing edge ringing.
The microphones to pickup.
Produce ringing feedback.
Loopback to the amplifier controller (Have to build or acquire circuit).
***********************************************************
We have seen each of these steps in our daily lives. Now I am just going to put them all together. Also, these steps can be done many ways by anybody here. Stick a guitar in front of an amplifier and turn up the volume. Then leave the room! Need I say more?
***********************************************************
The little blue component is the scalar wave transmitter. 2 magnets Norths facing each other coiled together with 60 turns 30awg magwire. Connect to dc and the waves shoot out the flatter faces. They say you can warp the foil in a cd among other things. Device made, inventory acquired, tests another day.
***********************************************************
Domestic controls ran my life this weekend. So no great strides.
I speak in american vernacular and that is the way it is.
***********************************************************
Sir Richard Branson has offered to spend 3 billion over the next ten years towards global warming. Sm had the answer 10 years ago. Tesla had the answer over 100 years ago. On average our TPUs cost ~$40.00USD. My commitment back in September 2006 was to produce these for $50.00USD. I am sticking to that. I talk as if we were already there? The Bible says 'Speak it as it were so'.
***********************************************************

--giantkiller. If radiant energy can travel through anything. What is stopping us?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on February 12, 2007, 06:07:26 AM
Wow!  All of the townspeople must be helping you wind all of those coils.  That is a lot of winding.

I wonder what would happen if, when you were done, you made two more TPUs just like it and mounted them on three even larger hoops to make an even larger TPU.  And then you made two more of these and mounted them on giant hoops to make a giant TPU.  What happens at each higher iteration; levitation, then time travel?

Well, I may have lost it.  Time for bed.

Rosphere--someone in this house has to get up for work in the morning.  :(
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on February 12, 2007, 07:31:00 PM
Hi , i am looking for a ring......
There seem to be a lot of rings over here ,exept i cannot find "the-one"  ;D
Good Luck To All.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: ring_theory on February 13, 2007, 05:26:52 PM
You rang?!

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,498.0.html 
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Hoppy on February 14, 2007, 08:53:19 PM
It appears to me that we are making no real progress with the TPU. The threads are fragmenting and focus is being lost and as a result team work is suffering. Has our precious cast it's spell on us at last and confused our minds?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 15, 2007, 05:31:18 AM
Check out the pictures on page 5, 6 & 8....
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat5654723.pdf (http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat5654723.pdf)

Been studying this patent a little more. I looks like the video cable and the lamp wire are a close fit in the diagrams.

No enveloping darkness from the precious. I am just winding up for the pitch.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 18, 2007, 05:08:41 PM

I put these other posts here in this thread for substantiation.

Regarding the last three posts:

I have a B.S.M.E. that whispers in my ear every day that this is not possible.  Oh, yeah?

Perhaps this is why I persist; it is not like the establishment has never lied to us before.

Atoms move, planets move, stars move, galaxies move, clusters move and it is all free inside this static force generator that exists at all levels! Don't wait for another go around, grab the brass ring this time! And let's start our own revolution! Kapeesh?

And now there are 4. A coil in the circuit is worth 2 in the mind.

--giantkiller. It is a great day to live!

Hi all,
I xpressed my frustration in how my instruments seem to go crazy when the most interesting combinations are used.



I hope things are calmed in your life when you receive this.
I fully understand your feelings of frustration. To work hard to see nothing of a positive is sometimes shattering to one's self.
I know very well... I had a great deal of help and it took us years just to develop a SS control system that would work! And this is after we knew how to make generators!!!

Let me tell you something which may be of some significance...
When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky, it was the ONLY working model for many months. I showed the thing to people and eventually got enough interest to get money and other engineers involved to crack the code so to speak, and be able to make more of them.
After I had the first operating unit I kept trying to make another one. It took me many many many tries just to duplicate the same unit and make it work!
I thought of everything... why couldn't I make another one that would work? I decided that there must be a few more turns of wire in the collector etc. We spent months trying to duplicate the first unit. we had money and engineering staff and we couldn't do it....
I was very afraid to dismantle the first and only working example of the device, which appeared to be the only way to see what the reason was as to why we couldn't duplicate the performance. But eventually after months of not being able to duplicate the first working model, we had no choice but to take it apart in hopes of finding out what was in the first one that we couldn't duplicate in  the others which followed.
My point to this story is.... WE spent months and months trying in every conceivable way to duplicate a unit. The only thing that kept us going night and day was the fact that we already had one. We knew it was possible to have a working device.. It was the only thing that kept us going on the  project. And even then we said I GIVE UP so many times I cant count.
We kept it up and eventually discovered the really STUPID reason why all of our duplicates wouldn't work. We then made many of the damn things in all sizes and shapes and then we tried to make a small control device which obviously had to be SS.
WEll, can you imagine how much hair we pulled out trying to figure out why we could NOT make a SS control device that would keep the Damn things on frequency!!!
We, NONE of us could think of a reason why SS devices would not work. After all they did the same things as tubes, just better, didn't they?
The reason it took soooooo long to make a successful SS control unit is because we maintained that attitude for so long. Finally we came to the conclusion that there must be SOMETHING that tube control devices did differently then SS devices. I had a friend who was a wiz-bang SS color TV expert. I asked him if he could give us some pointers on duplicating the tube control devices in a SS state device. His tips eventually pointed us in the right direction and we made SS control devices out of discreet devices which worked. Remember that this was before the big linear IC boom, so everything we did was with little discreet parts and big PC boards. By the way, we found out some very important things during our research that I am sure, very sure that none of the boys out their know about. The following is very interesting:
# 1. PC boards made out of different materials change the operating conditions of SS devices. # 2. Soldering the components at least 1/2 inch above the board itself is essential to making a good SS control unit out of discrete devices.
# 3. As you know, Large amounts of FEEDBACK is essential to frequency and control when using SS devices for everything in the electronics world, HOWEVER, it is the enemy of generators!  If anyone ever gets one of these things operating, have them measure the electro magnetic and hash radio around the unit....it will blow your mind. so, what does that do to control devices in close proximity?
Why do you think we HAD to place our control devices in the middle of the operating coil? Listen: when these units get going they F**K with the control units, changing the signals they put out and receive. they have no choice but to get off frequency and shut down. In most cases they will not even start up.
TUBES are NOT as sensitive as SS control devices and DO NOT require the massive amounts of feed back to operate. There is an advantage in tubes just from that standpoint alone, not to mention all the other things I have mentioned in the past.
I told you guys long ago...
If just these two little things are important discoveries, how far off are all the guys out there trying design their own control devices?   So tell them what I have said and listen to them all scream balderdash!! Haresy!!! And then you can tell them that we found out way back then... It is because the material some PC boards are made out of can absorb humidity... So.... depending on the conditions of humidity of the specific day, the boards would change the characteristics of the SS control circuits.
It took us a long time just to find that little thing out... we never thought of it. no one ever thought of it.... BUT, it turned out to be a very significant thing and so we used the absolute finest PC board material the government used in missiles and rockets... You see, even though no one knows about the PC board material being important to sensitive instruments and SS devices, the government did... So we learned, and learned...
And you and everybody else, God Willing, will learn too.
I am sorry it is so discouraging for you and others. The only thing that kept us going is the fact that we had a working unit to keep reminding us that it is possible. otherwise, we would NEVER have succeeded.
I have faith in you because you have understood from the beginning that i have reasons for telling you specific things. I mentioned at the beginning that, it was much easer to make one of these things work if you use tubes as a control system rather then SS devices. At least you took me seriously and because of that, I have faith in you.
Listen, do remember i mentioned that these things were in many ways like a COLOR TV in sophistication. not because of a massive amount of parts and discrete components, but because if one tiny little thing is off just a tiny little bit, the whole thing will stop working.
Just like a color TV. Now, how many different control systems and how many discrete devices were used in those individual control systems in the first color TVs?
Now, I ask you, what are these guys thinking about when they let their ego's force them to ignore things i have said in the beginning and go off trying to design and develop their own control devices using SS units. SS units which are OUTBOARD of the collector ring i might add?  Some of them have gotten results and some of them have gotten big power surges and dissipation of heat... all of which is wonderful and certainly proves the point that there is truly something going on here. BUT, i guarantee you that their SS control devices are all sitting right beside the collector... aren't they? They will probably never start the coil and get to catalyst. I am not saying it is impossible, but it will Damn difficult for these guys to get more then a big bang once in a while. And just like me, that big bang will excite them enough to continue for a while longer. Maybe one of them will read back and see where I said the SS control device must be placed inside the collector coil. then they will explode with, MY GOD, maybe that is the reason why...... and off they will go. in the right direction at least.


Thanks Mannix.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 21, 2007, 05:22:59 PM
This is to be considered public domain.

I attached leads and a burned out fuse to the stungun ends. The blue, cold energy stream follows the sides of the glass housing of the fuse towards conduction. I have attained a spark gap. I am going to work my way around the circular path in the diagram. My next step outward from the stungun is to connect different loop types to see the best compression of a magnetic field in the center across the feedback. The easiest step is to fire the trigger from a 555 and to vary the mono pulse to tune to the feedbacks.

--giantkiller. 'Kick the can'.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mrl on February 21, 2007, 11:37:14 PM
This is to be considered public domain.

I attached leads and a burned out fuse to the stungun ends. The blue, cold energy stream follows the sides of the glass housing of the fuse towards conduction. I have attained a spark gap. I am going to work my way around the circular path in the diagram. My next step outward from the stungun is to connect different loop types to see the best compression of a magnetic field in the center across the feedback. The easiest step is to fire the trigger from a 555 and to vary the mono pulse to tune to the feedbacks.

--giantkiller. 'Kick the can'.


Is the output of the stun gun DC?  If not you may not get good results because you cannot generate radiant energy with an AC spark.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 22, 2007, 08:16:25 PM
Quote
This is a quote from another site so it can be shared as much as possible...
Anybody want 'New'?
Posts start on 20070204
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22841.html#msg22841
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22844.html#msg22844
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg23001.html#msg23001
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24037.html#msg24037

I have hooked in the stungun to trigger the 20" easyflow cable 6" loop. That experiment took down my cable box, wireless router, reset and shutdown the workstation. I felt the tingle that Tesla talked about. I posted this before with the GK4 on 20070113. Again the TPUs have their feedbacks wrapped around the rings. The large TPUs have their feedbacks inside the rings. At some point SM converted from spark gap to solid state. One could also make a very small spark gap from a small rubber tube with a short nail stuffed in each end. Why is this neccessary? Smack the copper! This was a clue prior(the back side of the SM17). That was a failsafe? Don't be stupid! A stungun type circuit(Boost) is the secret for the trigger. Otto's, 390721 bucking coil,  jumpering makes kicks without the smacking circuit. But with the kick pulse fed with a boost circuit you get a raise in the potential level.
I have results. I received headaches and others have burned themselves. I have posted. And this is nothing more than you all know as of now. SM had described things to keep the greedy off course and at the same time everything he said has 2 meanings. Have a clue. The guy is a genuis in puzzles.
Posters have slammed Steven Mark, Mannix and others. Not only have you wronged others but largely your own selves to a dire degree.
Check out who else has kicks. Doesn't it make you wonder why? Aren't these important?

*********************************************************************************************
Looks like he who posts the best diatribe owns the subject? The TPU feedback operation was my explanation on 20070204. The TPU is also a closed loop stungun. I had posts deleted on the other sites. I have received numerous design answers offsite from Mannix & SM and others who I work in labs with. I am the poster for these actions.
Secret club? I am sure somebody will raise their torch and pitchfork to burn out the infidel. But I have figured out the clues given and the pattern of how these are posted. Alot of people don't like games. I enjoy the 'cat and mouse' game. I visualize just like Tesla. I get an idea and throw stuff together. I am on 5 different paths right now with this technology. And the things that work are on my bench. Why don't I share? I have. I am on a roll to catch up with the flood on solutions that have become apparent to me after I built each step. You've all seen the pictures of Tesla in the huge spark field? He is sitting inside a huge stungun. Have a clue. Has anybody found UEC or the patents? Have a clue.
I was mocked for posting production plans of the SM17. I guess you won't work for me.

I have learned a massive knowledge and experience from all the sites and close relations with a certain few. And a great thanks to you all. The last 6 months in these sites has given me the knowledge to match up with where I dreamed my life would be.
This post has all the TPU triggering functionality necessary for operation.

--giantkiller. 'I know Kung Fu'. No shit...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on February 22, 2007, 08:48:38 PM
GK - you are starting to sound mentally unstable.  I recommend a stout alcoholic beverage.

You will not copy the TPU unless SM himself tells you how and he's not doing that.  So don't go thinking you figured it out and duiplicated it or any crap like that - regardless of what you come up with.  Look at all of the changes in direction and various explanations that have come from SM.  Throwing greedy people off?  No.  Only those who would copy the device.   No one but Mannix persued this device for ten years or so.

Three collectors, but no explanation why. Kicks mixing, earth's magnetic field, flipping device over, rotating compass, etc.

Who ever said that each TPU works the same way?  Perhaps some versions only collect and the others generate.

You are going in several directions at the same time - at one point the device is described as a generator and at other times it is only a collector.  I wish SM would make up his mind.

Re-read SM's comments on Tao's thoughts and you will see that the damn collectors go on the outside.  Also, no mention of feedback in that message - no three collectors - no rotating field - no precise frequency control - no three frequencies - no tubes - none of that BS.  Just pulse the damn wire and make sure it stops before it reaches the end. (Speed of propagation, pulse rise time, etc.)

 





Title: Thanks to GK.
Post by: FatBird on February 23, 2007, 02:56:34 AM
GK, Thank you for shariing your StunGun & other ideas with us.

Because I value your expertise & opinions, may I ask a couple of questions:

1.  In your opinion is the 7.3 Hertz frequency still necessary for a functioning TPU?

2.  Is a rotating field necessary for a TPU to work?


Thank you.


.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on February 23, 2007, 04:26:28 AM
Fatbird.
A SWAG.

1 yes a harmonic of 7.83

2 rotation is a byproduct

It's like saying is heat requiard to make light. It is not. A firefly makes light without getting hot.

Go GK go! thanks for shareing!! moab
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 24, 2007, 05:59:34 AM
I built the charge chamber out of a piece of yellow rubber tubing and 2 huge nails.
I succeeded in removing the stungun circuit from the casing safely. I can put it back together again should I decide to do so.

Now,
You can see in the picture that the rubber chamber is aglow. I moved the device away from my pc desktop. With the nail/conduction points closer together than any other circuit parts the charge is in the tube instead of outside. Another safety point. And it is also quieter. I really don't want it exposed anyway. I am chasing the effect in the loop of easyflow audio cable that was attached during the previous test. I will put that back in. Now this is best part. My next step is to attach one of the 555s of my controller circuit to the trigger and fire that at? (you gotta guess the frequency). Oops, times up. 7.8hz. Surprise! I will try a whole wide band of freqs while I am here anyway. Right? No telling what happens when Frankenstein blinks the first time, eh?
And the good news is I can grab the charge chamber with no shock and again there is no heat.
The power draw is +14 amp spikes. I got to change power supplies or get an automotive battery.
Another path I am going on is to fire GK4 with the circuit. And that is if the 30awg controls don't offer too much resistance. I can see why SM said lamp wire. I have GK5 which is totally lamp wire, hexfilar controllers / feedbacks with easyflow collectors. The stun gun circuit wants a dead short to the spark gap.
The next step is gonna be fun.
I hope the picture is clear enough.

--giantkiller. It's been another great week. I hope everybody else had one too.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on February 25, 2007, 01:58:40 AM
Hey Everyone,

This post seems to be a little dead lately so I thought I would post some things to get us going again. Attached are a couple of clips from Tom Bearden's video about Radionics. In the sections I chunked, he talks about how input of scalar Harmonic Waves is required to tap into the vacuum energy and he also cites references for further reading... I dunno about you all but this is the most revealing stuff I've seen in quite a while and it lines up perfectly with what Mr. Mark has been telling us about the frequencies mixing.... also Canceling of the magnetic field.... Think Scalar Waves and bifilar control windings...

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on February 25, 2007, 02:38:04 AM
Here's the next chunk
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on February 25, 2007, 02:50:04 AM
and wnother one
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on February 25, 2007, 02:58:54 AM
Here's the last one.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on February 25, 2007, 03:38:33 AM
Here is the source of the four posted avi-files:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6926340061102418615&q=Tom+Bearden%27s+video+about+Radionics&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6926340061102418615&q=Tom+Bearden%27s+video+about+Radionics&hl=en)

I watched the whole thing last night.  Jdo300 gleaned some of the very best selections from this video that help explain the TPU operational concept.  Thank you, Jdo300.  What a find!  :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on February 25, 2007, 07:04:32 AM
Yup that's the stuff

Learn it , Live it

  Just Build it
 
   IronHead
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on February 25, 2007, 03:12:50 PM
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/Beard_scalem.html (http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/Beard_scalem.html)

"Conversely, scalar fields can be created by destructively interfering vector fields, in a nonlinear medium."

"...toward the production of 'free energy' from the vacuum of space, using the principles of optical phase conjugation, but in a more generalized mode."
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on February 25, 2007, 05:40:55 PM
http://www.search.com/reference/Nonlinear_optics (http://www.search.com/reference/Nonlinear_optics)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on February 25, 2007, 06:16:48 PM
Hieronymus Detector
US Patent Number 2,482,773
Awarded 1949
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on February 25, 2007, 06:34:33 PM
What is the deal with this word, "pump?"

First Image Source (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6926340061102418615&q=Tom+Bearden%27s+video+about+Radionics&hl=en)
EDIT: 15/MAR/07: The above video is no longer available.  :(

Second Image Source (http://www.search.com/reference/Nonlinear_optics)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 25, 2007, 07:07:51 PM
This is the boldest statement I am to make so far.

@Rosphere, tnx for the direction.

--giantkiller. RFC me!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 25, 2007, 07:17:57 PM
Think about this one!

2 stunguns aimed at an object, varying the angular and distance position.
Why you ask? Who ever heard of firing 2 stunguns at once? Really! What nonsense! You say 2 Tesla coils emmiting at once? Utter insanity! Scalar interferometry? Sounds pretty close to me... Somebody is going to get caught.

Weren't there 2 spark gaps, oops, I mean 2 fuse holders on the back of the SM17? Hmmmmm.
And powered directly from the center control unit from the center of the feedbacks. Aye! Laddies! We be scuttlin' this lassie, eh? Argh!

--giantkiller. Thank you all, gentlemen. It is a good time to be alive!

ps. One ring to rule them all...

Oh, pss. On the seventh day he rests his case.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on February 25, 2007, 07:35:44 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 25, 2007, 10:12:35 PM
This is the direction I am heading in.
In reference to the attached picture:

I: control, stun gun 1
II: control, stun gun 2, possibly opposite direction from I. Counter rotating.
III: collector, scalar wave detection. On top, right?

Twilight zone, 1961.

--giantkiller. RFC.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on February 26, 2007, 01:34:30 AM
What is the deal with this word, "pump?"

First Image Source (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6926340061102418615&q=Tom+Bearden%27s+video+about+Radionics&hl=en)

Second Image Source (http://www.search.com/reference/Nonlinear_optics)

Here is a direct physical example of what that diagram represents. It works very well and anyone can create this setup with little effort. Check this out:

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/scalar4.txt

I think we should all try this out.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 26, 2007, 03:24:42 AM
The Bearden/Whittaker scalar interferometry test on an SM17 type test platform. Cost equals 1 hour labor, $10.00 in materials.
15 inch diameter loops of Easyflow audio cable, cardboard spacers, 12awg terminators & duct tape.

Will drive the 2 bottom loops with stunguns. Upper loop is collector.
Full Electronics to follow if tests prove substantial.

--giantkiller. In pursuit. 8)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on February 26, 2007, 03:45:51 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 26, 2007, 04:10:02 AM
hello all

This thread is absolutely dynamic and thought provoking.  Fantastic work
to all involved in bringing this concept to light (literally) ;)

@giantkiller appropiate title for this thread ;D  thanks for the reply.  got the
                schems and pics,  nice work,  now I just have to clean up the
                old shop and start building!!!

p.s.  is there a rosetta stone somewhere that can translate Tom Beardon work :P   

Get a cajun interpreter.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 26, 2007, 05:29:08 AM
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/Beard_scalem.html (http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~sai/Beard_scalem.html)

"Conversely, scalar fields can be created by destructively interfering vector fields, in a nonlinear medium."

"...toward the production of 'free energy' from the vacuum of space, using the principles of optical phase conjugation, but in a more generalized mode."
Read this paper. This explains the possiblities of the Hutchison effect. It is being done!

Thanks, Rosphere.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on February 26, 2007, 06:22:09 AM
Get a cajun interpreter.


Thanks GK. Have'nt laughed like that in a while.. Good one. ;D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on February 26, 2007, 12:46:31 PM
Edmund Taylor Whittaker (http://www.rexresearch.com/whittakr/whittakr.htm)

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 26, 2007, 05:00:28 PM
@Rosphere,
Saw your posts on the BJT/Led. I used Tip41a's and stayed with that design.

Your current posts helped me attach Hutchison's work to Bearden's principles.
This was most important to me and the next leap.
Thank you. I am forever in your debt.

--giantkiller. There is always less work with more understanding. :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on February 26, 2007, 05:29:09 PM
What is the deal with this word, "pump?"

First  Image Source (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6926340061102418615&q=Tom+Bearden%27s+video+about+Radionics&hl=en)

Second Image Source (http://www.search.com/reference/Nonlinear_optics)

Here is a direct physical example of what that diagram represents. It works very well and anyone can create this setup with little effort. Check this out:

http://www.keelynet.com/energy/scalar4.txt

I think we should all try this out.

God Bless,
Jason O

Ok I tried this.

First i made two identical ( Perfectly legal ::) ) CDs using Nero burn. I listened to them both as suggested by the directions. To ensure they were identical. They were. Then i wrapped the magnets as directed and wired it using a 9v battery and small DC motor. All as outlined.
My findings.
 1.The scalar radiated CD lost bass and gained high end. And also lost over all volume and tambre.


2.Jdo300. (Jason,) owes Moab a new CDr!!

Just kidding! Trying to keep it lite 8)
                                                   Moab.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on February 27, 2007, 12:01:10 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 27, 2007, 12:29:16 AM
Saw your posts on the BJT/Led. I used Tip41a's and stayed with that design.

EMdevices' schematic, on page one of that topic, claims to use a PNP.  How would you revise this circuit to work with your NPN?

Quote
Your current posts helped me attach Hutchison's work to Bearden's principles.
This was most important to me and the next leap.
Thank you. I am forever in your debt.

Thank you for your kind words.  :)

I know nothing.  I am only trying to help out when I see a connection.  We are all in this together,... well, most of us anyway.   ;)
I was referencing my coil controller.
But try this: Reverse L1 and T1(emitter to battery negative). Reverse the L2 connections. Put your new scope on it. Looks like BEMF is a big player here.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on February 27, 2007, 12:47:38 AM
Hey Moab,

Interesting results there! I just made my Scalar Beamer device last night (am going to play with it this evening) but with a twist. Rather than just wasting that scalar energy coming off of the magnets. I wrapped a single turn 'collector' coil around the magnets to pick up the energy. My 'collector' just happens to be a piece of speaker wire about 18" long. I wrapped 40 turns of 20 gauge magnet wire around the magnets (regular rectangular ceramic ones 3/8" x 1" x 1.75"). I'll cut some CD's tonight to replicate your original test but rather than using a small DC motor to provide the kicks, I'm going to pulse the coil with my control circuit directly and see what shows up on the collector coil.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Thaelin on February 27, 2007, 04:13:25 PM
Hi Jason:
   Just thought I would call your attention to the fact that your main winding is accross the small side of the face and at the keeley site is shows it along the length. Might be something there tho who knows. Best to try them all I guess. Tend to think JB has already in that one.

sugra
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 27, 2007, 06:02:43 PM
Interfering frequencies: The breakfast of Champions.

Tesla:
Colorado Springs Tower that interacts with the Earth's forces. And many pictures of him sitting in the spark gap of cold energy. Develops remote power and remote destruction.

Bearden:
Talks about moving objects, levitating objects, transporting objects, creating new matter by focusing 2 frequencies as in scalar interferometry.

Hutchison:
Moves objects, levitates objects, congeals non-cohesive matter. Uses 2 frequencies from a Tesla coil and a driven microphone. Has trouble with control. Physical layout is most important for control of the interference vector.

Steven Mark:
Creates or pulls power from Earthly forces by using 2 frequencies in the SM17 ring. This is a dual emp generator with a feedback amplifier. Exact control has been attained for specific results. The SM17 has 2 frequencies involved and better control is achieved due to the physical layout of the coils.

Philadelphia experiment:
A large generator interacting with the Earth's forces. Time, matter and space distortion.

Nasa alien contact video:
Shows the use of frequencies to power, levitate, cloak, and to shift direction in oblique angles and speeds.

Star Trek:
Transporter, food replicator, photon cannon, phasors. Devices that are frequency driven. Output results similar to what Bearden and Hutchison are involved in.

The movie 'Contact':
Shows the use of high speed magnetic fields to produce time and space anomalies.

We are so close.

I do not believe in non believers. To kill the dreamer is to kill the vision and without a vision we are blind. Bicycle parts do fly!

I bought another stungun. Am repairing the first one. I will put drivers in parallel with the gun triggers and pulse them in different combinations.
I have plastic tubing with a nail in each end to create a variable spark gap. I introduced loops in the output circuit by putting the spark gap at a distance from the gun. The loop is now an emp generator with scalar tendencies. The spark moves around inside the tube. This tells me that there are changes in conductivity when the conduction path changes. This is very high frequency in the starting and stopping conduction event. The circuit itself does not need to run at a high speed. And still no heat. By running the spark inside, I can grab the spark gap to check the temperature. And you feel the kicks. When I put fingertips about 1/8 inch away from the nail you observe the yellow streamers with blue strike points in micro lightning storms like my fingers are thunderclouds.
The most important thing here is I am touching nothing else!
And that, my friends, is why we build.
I now know why Tesla sits in the spark gap. It is amazing to watch again for the first time and prove that the energy is safe. Who would have thought that Tesla was sitting inside the world's largest stun gun.
This the greatest adventure on the planet. And we are part of it.

--giantkiller. With this post now more people know. ;) I run and not grow weary.

ps. Just to let you know: I had previously received a PM from Steven Mark letting me know he has pain in his hands to this day from grabbing the coils during testing. Be safe. We won't have to spend the years he did.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on February 27, 2007, 07:01:53 PM
interesting image:
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mkt3920 on February 27, 2007, 09:21:48 PM
Grumpy,
Walter Russell's "cosmic pulsation".

Kent
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on February 27, 2007, 09:43:13 PM
Yes it is.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 27, 2007, 11:47:09 PM
No such things as multiturns here...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on February 28, 2007, 12:30:50 AM
Hmm
Looks familiar:
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on February 28, 2007, 12:38:29 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on February 28, 2007, 12:57:47 AM
Two charged particles close together make up a dipole . This dipole will expend energy for very long time ,near forever in respect to mans understanding. If you send energy back to that dipole it degrades then disappears . So you ether block the energy going back or you use all of it before it gets back to the dipole. 
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on February 28, 2007, 04:35:15 AM
Telsa's RE circiut was like a ram jet - oneway flow - never stopping.   No reversal was permitted or the effect would not manifest itself.

dipole - two opposite charges

run a conductor between them and you get emf.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mflynn44 on February 28, 2007, 06:23:19 PM
Interfering frequencies: The breakfast of Champions.

ps. Just to let you know: I had previously received a PM from Steven Mark letting me know he has pain in his hands to this day from grabbing the coils during testing. Be safe. We won't have to spend the years he did.

@GK
It's good to know that Steven Mark is here.

Mannix posted a message from Steven. Part of the message is the below quote.
"When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky"

Do you now think Steven was working with scalar interferometry when he made the above observation?

Thanks GK for all your work and thanks to SM. I wish I had your energy.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on February 28, 2007, 06:45:23 PM
More like he discovered the same damn thing a thousand others have discovered:

http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/resonant.html

Q, smoke, kicks, runaway, yada yada yada...plenty of power if you can keep it from burning itself up.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on February 28, 2007, 08:47:37 PM
O great DC Voltage produced by the electrical fields,
Would you care to talk with the o so great external magnetic field?

Maybe we both could have a little chat with the great queen of the AC currents.
Then the 3 of us can play a game.

Let's invite Mr ans Miss Frequency too,they know exactly how to play the game.
Perhaps we all can "kick" some ass.

Mister Schumann will be there too.
He knows all about specific numbers.

But i must warn you, he does not want you to come too close.
So try to keep an eye on him and keep it at some distance.

The winner of the game won't be cold.
Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mflynn44 on February 28, 2007, 08:50:27 PM
More like he discovered the same damn thing a thousand others have discovered:

http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html
http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/resonant.html

Q, smoke, kicks, runaway, yada yada yada...plenty of power if you can keep it from burning itself up.



Ok. Using a resonant circuit as in the above links, where do you think the excess power (overunity) is generated? Possibly in the spark gap or a coil in series with the spark gap?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on February 28, 2007, 09:00:58 PM
I think we would still be using the electrostatic effect in that case. Generate a large resonant pulse and induce it into a secondary
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on February 28, 2007, 09:01:50 PM
oops, back into my hole....
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on February 28, 2007, 09:33:10 PM
An EE frind of mine was kind enough to point this out to me (he's built a few Tesla coils).  Reading the two pages that I linked should make it all clear.  If not, stay in the world of fantasy and dreams.

9 kw TPU? Don't think so.

If you have followed this for the last year or even the last several months you can see how SM's explanations are all over the place.  Kicks, rotating magnetic fields, 3 frequencies, tube electronics, electrons from the sky...duped us all, or at least many of us.

Bottom line:
The TPU makes an induction heater with excess power output.  Runs hot. 


Radiant Energy is still worth persuing...

EDIT: Clarification.  The TPU captures RE, but there are better methods - without the heat.



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on February 28, 2007, 09:44:32 PM
JDO300 posted this
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24457.html#msg24457 (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg24457.html#msg24457)
a few back and it had been posted before that. But if you look at the dual rings or frequencies then the North to North facing fields looks the same in both cases. The little motor or interfering frequency fits in here also.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on February 28, 2007, 09:58:17 PM
What the hell does that have to do with the TPU?  Oh yeah!  The TPU works on scalar wave principles now - it has mutated again!

BS

What a waste of time and effort the TPU has become.  It's no wonder that only Mannix persued it for 10+ years after it fell into obscurity.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on March 01, 2007, 03:55:53 AM
Well ya know, It is GK's Thread. he started it.So if he wants to pulse his coils with scalar waves or Gin-n-Juice, More power to him!! (Pun intended)
                                                                          ;)             Moab.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mflynn44 on March 01, 2007, 04:28:04 AM
Perhaps the TPU is not practical but I still want to understand how SM generated and collected enough RE to power the devices shown in the videos.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 01, 2007, 05:29:06 AM
Thanks for the support. The pattern I've have seen in life is the beatings get worse the closer to the goal one gets. So I take great pride in wearing the stripes. Quotes from many others before me: 'If it were that easy, we'd be done'.
I can take alot more hits, because I am not giving up.
This thing is like putting a model together. One piece at a time. And whenever we get to a stopping place I sit back and research with what others have to offer. This is not my thread. This is a living document contributed to by all and that makes it all worth it.
Also, humble pie is the dessert of revenge.
There has been no going wrong here. It is all good.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on March 01, 2007, 10:08:51 AM
Gk, and all

Of all the things that gave results the one outstanding effect is that as the field gathers the frequencies seem to be reluctant to stick to each other.

As soon as I used tubes that effect went away . stability at last! not kws of energy not anigravity..Just a much more stable platform to experiment with.My frequencies are not jumping abou any more...imagine that!

Try them! and see the difference, pulse them and see the speed..as good as any mosfet but in both directions.

Almost everything that we use today was first developed with tubes..then was refined with ss specific circuits .why should tpu's be any different?
I am not saying that ss is a waste of time but I am saying that it will take less time with tubes because of the above effect...and thats probably just the beginning of it.

Yes they are inefficient little things.....but very fast!
please do not look up specs...just try it for yourself!

I dont care how long this takes, I am enjoying the process in spite of frustrations which I own myself.

Winter is comming here so perhaps an induction heater is just what I want for now!

Enjoy the hunt all

Lindsay Mannix

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on March 01, 2007, 03:38:24 PM
I'll be more direct and less cryptic:

GK,

Are you really any closer than you were a year ago?

Your wires are to short for the pulse to stop before it gets to the end of the wire.
Calculate the minimum wire length from the pulse width and propagation velocity.  At low frequencies (long pulses) you will need a very long piece of wire.

Your "kicks" have reversals - see attached.

As Bedini illustrated, capacitors can hold RE.

Notice the same spark between SM's TPU and Bedini's circuit? (Yeah, Bedini's is bigger...)

See Richie's pages for a means to create kicks that do not destroy everything.  (Deliberately tuned off resonance.)

http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/indkick.html

You already have a spark gap - a magnetic field will extinguish it quicker as the electric charge jumping the gap will be forced to turn.  If you stay with the static gap, try multiple sets of contacts.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 01, 2007, 05:13:33 PM
@GK,

Build the Bendini control circuit, try using that to power the coils. I built it last night and tested it (without the coils) and we get real nice positive going pulses. Tonights test is with my last TPU, top and bottom coils all in series. The center coil will be wired in series as well but used as the feedback. The outter coil (used to be feedback) will be the collector in this setup. Do not use the traditional collectors in this test.

I used the following transistors

NTE 123a
NTE 196
NTE 197

(edited the transistors, had a typo)

The thing I will need to determine is if the outter coil (feedback/collector in this case) will need to be reverse wound.

The next step will be to use a FWBR on its output and then maybe use a large value cap to collect the output.

The cool thing about doing this test is that no major re-work of the TPU is required, The only issue I potentially see is if the current control coils series resistance is sufficient to produce the field and not load the PS or generate a lot of heat in the control coils.

So to summarize my next experiement is the following;

1. Each layer of the TPU's control coils are in series

2. The Top and Bottom control coils are connected in series to increase the resistance and field strength.

3. The middle layer is the feedback to the above mentioned trigger/oscillator circuit.

Did I forget to mention the use of a magnet here???

4. Place a neo magnet on the inside of the TPU next to the middle layer (feedback coil) to initiate the oscillator.

If this experiement goes well and produces interesting results the next step is to build the TPU the right way.

You ask yourself what is the right way?

Well the right way is to use a coil wrapped in a loop (6" dia) using 30ga (maybe 32ga) magnet wire so the total resistance is at least 60 ohms or better (maybe more R?? gotta check this out).

Then wind 2 collectors using 16ga stranded in a loop as well using 24 turns. These are the collectors that can be either in series or parallel. THese wil be placed on the top and bottom of the control/exciter coil.

The Feedback coil will be located in the center of the TPU (small torrid) that will trigger the control/oscillator circuit.

Sounding familar yet?

The Larger TPU's use this design, GK showed this in the last pix he posted showing a cross section of the larger TPU.

Me Thinks we are very close here.

It appears to me that this concept uses an air core transformer with roughly a 28:1 winding ratio (at least with how my last TPU was wound). Also looks very similar to Bendini's battery charger circuit.

GK what do you think of this design/operation?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 01, 2007, 08:44:38 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 01, 2007, 09:03:57 PM
@starcruiser,
I see the top and bottom controls in series within the segments and the the top and bottom connected in series to impress a squeeze on the middle collector. And all of us that have coils of this wind configuration can jumper in a myriad of paths. So, yes it is good. And the Bedini bemf loop stuck in my mind too. I got a loose association with the stun gun triggered by some part of the TPU as feedback from the Bedini posts about the Little Girl circuit. I was discussing this with MRD10 in Perth and we both agreed that the Bedini was a mechanical version of the TPU. From what you posted, that idea gains more solid ground. The weekend is coming up. Time to really grab some more turf on this issue. I will try your jumps this weekend and fire it with a single gun.
@Grumpy,
yes, I will check out the wire lengths. The backtrack to lamp wire makes project direction changes, temporary or permanent, almost instantaneous. And thanks for the clear post.
@all,
as you can see, patience is king.
@Mannix,
I don't remember seeing this anywhere but maybe the ss in the middle of the ring compression field gives the effect of tube operation. After all there are 2 energies, the EM and RE. Also, could SM have put a spark gap in the TPUs? Like the small ones in the stunguns on the circuit boards, not the external electrode?

--giantkiller. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 01, 2007, 11:28:17 PM
O great Mister Frequency,
Please tell us about frequency mixing.

Two tones close in frequency generate a beat frequency at the difference of the frequencies, which in this case is subsonic.

For example, a 5000 Hz tone and 5010 Hz tone will produce a subsonic 10 Hz tone.
This is a tone we cannot hear.

But we can feel it  ;D
So, what happens with 3 frequency's??

Maybe two beat frequency's??
And when they come together??

Gee i have to think about that, thanks Mister Frequency.
Title: Rotating Field TYPE.
Post by: FatBird on March 02, 2007, 01:47:34 AM
Question for group.

When SM spoke of a Rotating Field, did he mean:


1.  Rotating Back & Forth like a washing machine agitator?

OR

2.  Continuously rotating like water going down a drain?


Each one has its own circuit implications.

Thank you.

.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 02, 2007, 03:14:57 AM
Well I just tried out my theory on a small scale and I got some promising results. The exciter circuit works as expected.

Unfortunately the 12v battery is just about dead less than 11.6v) and the TPU's lower control coils has a short in it. The resistance of the upper layer on the TPU is 9.5 ohms and the lower is about 6 ohms so this means I cannot generate a stable field.  This short is most likely due to the HV experiements I was doing on my last tests. I guess 30KV cooked something.

Well to the results....the exciter/Osc circuit was providing about 5vpp signal into the series connected control coils and the secondary was providing approx 2.2vpp. (see scope shot).

I then used a single diode to see if I could rectify the signal and was able to obtain a little over 1vdc with a ripple on it. (see second scope shot)

These results are without a magnet to "tickle" or "excite" the windings.

I am thinking that if the following items are addressed I can improve the output;

1. charge the battery to full capacity
2. re-wind the control coils to provide a larger field (more turns of 30ga magnet wire)
3. make sure the control coil(s) has a resistance of at least 60 ohms
4. use a neo magnet to excite the feedback process.

I know some will say this is nothing but a simple transofrmer action, but I say "I know this is a fact". I feel that if I increase the field from the coils I can start the electron avalanche I am seeking.

This is just the first stage in my testing and was a proof of concept and that more can be achieved with the correct setup. As a result I must now start winding the new TPU with the improved coils.
Title: Re: Rotating Field TYPE.
Post by: giantkiller on March 02, 2007, 03:22:53 AM
Question for group.

When SM spoke of a Rotating Field, did he mean:


1.  Rotating Back & Forth like a washing machine agitator?

OR

2.  Continuously rotating like water going down a drain?


Each one has its own circuit implications.

Thank you.

.

To reiterate additively:
One way for Option #1 is the bucking field 390721 patent in 3 layers using Otto's jumpers. That is post #2 in this thread.

One way for option #2 is Moabs
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22653.html#msg22653
Somehwere around there. He even posted the sequence diagram.

But we both got kicks. Oh, please! Is this old news or what? ;D Doesn't that sound great?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 02, 2007, 03:33:16 AM
@starcruiser,
I was in the lab with someone and in a discussion about Radiant Energy. If that energy can go through anything then anything can become a short. We talked about keeping everything out of the center space of the ring so the field would have no interference or place to go to as the center field commences, condences, & compresses. Just a thought.

The materials we are using are for a lower level of energy, current. Current can't travel that far through air. Radiant E can go forever. One of Tesla's speeches.

What do you call a TPU pulsed by a stungun? Frankenbuzzer. :D

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 02, 2007, 09:11:55 AM
Hello all

Does anybody know who this is ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6M5vke-u8&mode=related&search=

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 02, 2007, 09:26:27 AM
"Also, there is another interesting analogy.
We seem to overlook so many things in our society.
They are right in our faces but we just look around them without interest at all."



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 02, 2007, 01:49:03 PM
@starcruiser,
I was in the lab with someone and in a discussion about Radiant Energy. If that energy can go through anything then anything can become a short. We talked about keeping everything out of the center space of the ring so the field would have no interference or place to go to as the center field commences, condences, & compresses. Just a thought.


GK, the electronics were not in the center during this test but still on my large breadboard, I used several jumpers to connect it to the TPU, so it was about 12' away or so.

I wanted to test the circuit (and the concept) before I built a proto board and made it more permanant. I will now do this over the weekend.

As for the circuit here is what I am using

This is the circuit is part of the driver circuit from the Bendini window motor. Note the extra coil I drew in for the secondary/collector. The feedback side of the circuit only requires a 1v pulse to trigger the circuit, I tested this with my signal generator to determine the trigger point. I am thinking of swapping the resistor out for a 2k pot to allow adjustment of the sensitivity.

Anyway more to do.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 02, 2007, 02:14:20 PM
Hello all

Does anybody know who this is ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nm6M5vke-u8&mode=related&search=



Not sure why that guy posted it but it is not his unit or video. That is CTGLabs TPU/video. This unit is not functional.

BTW, can anyone translate the words on the video, I would be interested in what he is claiming exactly.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mkt3920 on March 02, 2007, 04:02:44 PM
O great DC Voltage produced by the electrical fields,
Would you care to talk with the o so great external magnetic field?

Maybe we both could have a little chat with the great queen of the AC currents.
Then the 3 of us can play a game.

Let's invite Mr ans Miss Frequency too,they know exactly how to play the game.
Perhaps we all can "kick" some ass.

Mister Schumann will be there too.
He knows all about specific numbers.

But i must warn you, he does not want you to come too close.
So try to keep an eye on him and keep it at some distance.

The winner of the game won't be cold.
Good luck to all.


I really liked this post.  It reminded me of Mannix/SM post from long ago.

<quote>
Now you know that the 5U4 requires 5 volts AC at 3 amps for its heater to gather the electrons and complete the circuit. Well, I measured the output from the tube and the result is 500 volts DC at 250 mV. The loss is due to the high impedance of the tube and its limited ability to dissipate more than 250 mA.. The point I wish to make here is that also along with the 500 volt DC is, yes, you guessed it, the 5 volts three amp AC current! They are both completely independent of each other except for some very interesting things I will mention to you some other time..
First of all, obviously you can have several different output components in the power output signal. You can have DC and AC together without any problem. Why did that mystery person claim that it was a foolish to say DC output with a 5k Hz component? Because he was deliberately trying to mislead anyone who might want to figure out what I was doing.
<stop quote>

Kent
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mflynn44 on March 02, 2007, 04:19:43 PM
Consider this configuration for the TPU. How about a neon transformer tank circuit operating near resonance. The high voltage across the capacitor is fed to a magnetically quenched spark gap. In series with the spark gap is a two turn primary. The secondary is a long coil of fine wire so that there will always be a train of pulses. That is, no pulse will reach the end of the coil before the coil is again pulsed. At the end of the coil is an Avramenko plug to pull electrons from the vacuum. Power is taken from the system across the capacitor which is part of the plug.

SM quote "When I accidentally stumbled on a device that appeared to actually pull electrons from the sky".
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 02, 2007, 09:10:32 PM
"There is no mass circuitry involved, it is just the knowledge of the coils and how they interact with each other"

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 02, 2007, 11:22:00 PM
Electrical Analogue

The analysis of mechanical and acoustical circuits is
made very much easier by the application of analogues in
which mass is equivalent to inductance, compliance to
capacitance, and friction to resistance.
Using SI units,
direct conversion between acoustical, mechanical and
electrical elements can be performed.

The beauty of the analogue method of analysis is that
it is possible by using various transformation equations
to refer the acoustic and electrical parameters to the
mechanical side, or conversely, the mechanical and
acoustic parameters to the electrical side, etc. For the
purpose of this analysis the electrical and acoustical
parameters are referred to the mechanical side. The
diaphragm can be thought of as an acoustic/mechanical
transducer ? that is, a device for transforming acoustic
energy to mechanical energy, and vice versa. Under
these circumstances it will also act as an impedance
transformer, i.e., it will convert acoustic inertance into
mechanical mass and acoustic compliance into mechanical
compliance and acoustic resistance into mechanical
resistance.

The most important parameter affecting the performance
of a loudspeaker is ?cone flexure?. Because real
materials are not infinitely rigid and have mass, the
velocity of propagation through the material is finite.
The cone is driven at the apex and the impulse travels
outwards towards the periphery where it is reflected
back to the source. At particular frequencies when the
distance to the edge are odd quarter wavelengths, the
returning impulse will be 180? out of phase and tend to
cancel; conversely, when the distance is multiples of half
wavelengths they will augment ? under these conditions
the system can be considered as a transmission line, and
theoretically (and to some extent, practically) if the
outer annulus were made resistive and of the correct
value the line would be terminated and no reflections
would occur.
The conical diaphragm also has radial or ?bell? modes
of flexure. These are similar to the resonances in a bell
and occur when the circumference is an integral number
of wavelengths.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 02, 2007, 11:43:02 PM

What is a valve?

Thermionic emission
Before transistors became common, all electronics relied
on the valve, there were even computers using valves!
All metals have free electrons within their crystal
structure, so some of them must be at the surface of the
metal, but they are bound there by the nuclear forces
between them and the adjacent atoms. However, the
atoms and electrons are constantly vibrating due to thermal
energy, and if the metal is heated sufficiently, some
electrons may gain sufficient kinetic energy to overcome
the attractive forces of the atoms and escape.

As a consequence of these escaping electrons, an electron
?cloud?, or space charge, forms above the surface of
the heated metal cathode. Once this cloud reaches a certain
size, it will prevent other electrons attempting to
escape from the surface because like charges repel, and
an equilibrium is therefore reached.
Some metals have stronger forces binding their electrons
than others, so stripping an electron from their surface
requires more energy, and the cathode has to be
heated to a higher temperature:

Melting point of pure tungsten: 3410?C
Pure tungsten cathode (transmitter valves and lightbulbs): 2700?C
Thoriated tungsten cathode (small transmitter valves): 1700?C
Oxide coated cathode (receiving valves): 1000?C

As can be seen, the operating temperature is sufficiently
high that the cathode could literally burn, so the structure
of the valve is enclosed in glass and the air is evacuated.
We now introduce a positively charged plate, or anode,
into the enclosure. Electrons will be attracted from the
cloud, and will be accelerated through the vacuum to be
captured by the charged anode, and thus a current flows.
The cloud has now been depleted, and no longer repels
electrons quite so strongly, so more electrons escape from
the surface of the cathode to replenish it. Current flow is
unidirectional because only the positively charged anode
is able to attract electrons, and only the cathode can emit
electrons. We now have a rectifier, but it requires rather
more than 0.7 V to switch it on; typically 50 V is needed.
In order to control current flow, we interpose a grid or
mesh of wires between cathode and anode, resulting in a
structure with three electrodes known as a triode.

If the grid is negatively charged, then it will repel electrons,
and although there is a space charge above the cathode,
no electrons reach the positively charged anode
because they are unable to overcome the repulsion of the
grid. The grid to cathode voltage Vgk therefore controls
the number of electrons reaching the anode, or anode current
Ia.

Mains borne interference is not a thing to be taken lightly.
Spikes of 1 kv and above are a common (in some areas frequent)
occurrence and this can and does damage unprotected equipment.

In addition to all man-made interference, there is another source
which will always be beyond any kind of legal
regulation and control ? the weather.
Electric storms and even lightning strikes make their presence
felt through the mains.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: tosky on March 03, 2007, 04:42:18 AM
Hello Starcruiser,
The CTGLabs TPU looks like the S.M. TPU. How do you know it is not functional? ???
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 03, 2007, 06:51:44 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 03, 2007, 08:36:11 AM
i was talking about an EEG and the frequency's in the human mind......
but i like the degausing explenation.



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 03, 2007, 10:09:27 AM
subsonic content
acousticians prefer ?infrasonic?

Below 40Hz, bass (from a more limited acoustic, but still infinite electronic repertoire
of instruments) becomes more tactile again, and by 16Hz (or some lower frequency
depending upon physiology), it is no longer audible through the ear, but
solely through bone conduction. This alters the way we hear, since sound is transmitted
much faster through solids (the earth, the floor, the feet, the skeleton) than
through the air. It is therefore possible for sub-bass signals to be ?felt? ahead of the
higher, audible components. This effect may be noticed in thunderstorms.

Ultrasonic content

High frequencies (hf, HF, treble) begin at around 5kHz.
While human conscious hearing stops around 20kHz, higher, ultrasonic frequencies
in music, up to at least 80kHz, can be perceived by the brain.
When frequencies in programme that are above 20kHz are
filtered out, sensitive listeners notice a lack of vitality. More recently, it has been
demonstrated ?objectively?, in the sense that specific neural activity and chemical
production has been measured, that the subliminal perception of the ultrasonic
sounds associated with music enhances pleasure.

Loudspeaker drive-unit basics

There are six main types of speaker drive-units or drivers used for quality audio
reproduction. Another name for a driver is a transducer, a reminder that they transduce
electric energy into acoustic energy, via mechanical energy.

First 3 use a common voice coil.
1.Cone drivers
2.Compression drivers
3.Soft and hard dome drivers
4.The ribbon driver
5.The electrostatic source
6.The piezo driver

Impedances
A speaker?s nominal impedance is commonly (and over-simplistically) described
by a single round figure, usually 15, 8 or 4 ohms for the majority of moving-coil
drive units. With ribbon drive units, or whenever several drive units are paralleled
to increase handling or coverage, lower impedances of 3, 2 or 1 ohms or even less
are the norm. With electrostatic and piezo (hf) drive-unit types, the load impedance
can be higher, but are also more or predominantly capacitative (like a capacitor)
across the audio range. This can be far more taxing to the amplifier.

A low impedance demands more current, and less signal voltage is needed for a
given current.
A high impedance requires more signal voltage, to be driven with a given current.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 03, 2007, 04:21:25 PM
Hello Starcruiser,
The CTGLabs TPU looks like the S.M. TPU. How do you know it is not functional? ???

Was his own statement and that of Marco

Please note that I do not mean any disrespect for either or to discredit the TPU but the posted video required clarification. I read and personally believe that CTGLabs was trying to revive the group(s) working on the TPU with a video albeit maybe his actions were misplaced and brought on some undesired repercussions.

I do not want this to disuade anyone from continuing their research in to the TPU, I for one have not stopped but have continued to research and experiement to find the answers since I beleive a device such as this is sorely needed in this day and age (as I beleive CTGLabs and others feels as well).

To find the answers to your questions and more I suggest that you (and others) read the TPU threads in their entirety and you will too find them.

As an additional note I am still interested in what the video claims (it is written in Italian) since i cannot read it. Can anyone translate it for us?

Also, I would like to say that my own experiements into making an operation TPU are still on going (as can be seen by my earlier posts). I will be posting more on those experiements as soon as I get more materials to build my next version.

I have been working on this project for well over a year myself and will continue to work on building my own working TPU. I have read, and will continue to read all posts in this (and other) forums to add to my knowledge, and I suggest all of you do the same. Note that in this world nothing comes easy and answers are found by hard work and looking for those answers. Everyone must contribute so we can make progress.

I also emplore all to share their knowledge and results with others so we can continue to make progress on this as well as other FE devices. Do not look for glory or fame, it will find you when the time comes.

Just my .02
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 03, 2007, 04:31:48 PM
I forgot to mention

My research has brought me to start reading more on the Searle generator now. I gained some interesting info relating to the possible operation of the TPU. It appears that Searle uses Neodynium magnets (the SM TPU does too) to create the electron avalanche required to make power. I ask myself "Is this the secret?" I suggest all read info relating to the Searle Generator, especially the new info now coming out, it may inspire you.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 03, 2007, 04:59:24 PM
And a many thanks to one of my best teachers, Mr. Hall, for letting me borrow this phenominal device in the early 80s.
We put it on a deaf man who could play piano by touching the sound board. And for the the first time he could hear the fidelity of his own music. And that, my friends, is what experimentation is all about. It's all good.

A liitle candy from the past...
http://yourtech.typepad.com/main/2006/01/the_bone_fone_i.html (http://yourtech.typepad.com/main/2006/01/the_bone_fone_i.html)
Now...
http://www.equationlab.com/mtp/quantumblog/archives/2005/04/bone_fone_reviv.html (http://www.equationlab.com/mtp/quantumblog/archives/2005/04/bone_fone_reviv.html)
And the future?
http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=440 (http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/cms/article-detail.asp?articleid=440)
That means they can put MP3 players on dolphins now. Sheesh. Been done too.

--giantkiller. Geeks rule!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: tosky on March 03, 2007, 06:11:39 PM
Hello Starcruiser,
If it is not a functional TPU. It must have a battery to power it for a short time. But SM did the same demonistration. I couldn't see any difference between them. If Marco is our buddy, he may tell us how to do it.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 03, 2007, 06:22:09 PM
I forgot to mention

My research has brought me to start reading more on the Searle generator now. I gained some interesting info relating to the possible operation of the TPU. It appears that Searle uses Neodynium magnets (the SM TPU does too) to create the electron avalanche required to make power. I ask myself "Is this the secret?" I suggest all read info relating to the Searle Generator, especially the new info now coming out, it may inspire you.
Did I wake up late? I don't see any input power to the Searle disk. Is it hidden?
And like the Bedini motor is appears to be a mechanical version of the rotating mag field. I have to watch http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/350/1/The-Technology-of-John-Searl-for-Broadband/Page1.html (http://www.americanantigravity.com/articles/350/1/The-Technology-of-John-Searl-for-Broadband/Page1.html) the video at this site.
http://WWW.SEARLEFFECT.COM (http://WWW.SEARLEFFECT.COM)
And has anybody done a paid membership here?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 03, 2007, 07:11:29 PM
Hello Starcruiser,
If it is not a functional TPU. It must have a battery to power it for a short time. But SM did the same demonistration. I couldn't see any difference between them. If Marco is our buddy, he may tell us how to do it.

CTGlabs used one of those magic bulbs from what was said. D will have to comment for anymore info.

I suggest not to get caught up on this video but do your own replications and experiments.

@GK

Hit their new site (Searle) for the construction of the new Searle replication of their SEG. They are still being quite about all the specifics but they do mention the use of Neo's for their magnets.

On their full replication there is no external input except for a push to get it going from what they state.

I found it interesting that the Neo's are a required component (Rare Earth magnetic materials). So I ask myself what is in the Neo's that provides the SEG its power generating (Electron) source? Does it provide the gateway to the Aether?

Also why does SM use Neo's in his smaller units? Humm...

Just some more thoughts to ponder.

All of those others that have OU devices seem to be circling the same concepts and designs (in some cases). We just need to figure out what exactly right?

More to ponder like I said.


BTW, Should have my large spools of magnet wire early next week so I can construct my next TPU, got 28ga and 34ga spools coming. I figure I will need about 800 to 1000' ft of 34ga for the control coil (roughly 60 ohms) and maybe 400' for the trigger (same resistance, this is the first incarnation of the trigger coil) and maybe 30' for each collector x 2. Total weight should be in the 1 ~ 2 lb area for a 6' TPU. I figure a 2:1 winding ratio.

We shall see what this provides. Now to work on the winding jig this weekend (off to home depot for materials).
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Thedane on March 03, 2007, 08:43:56 PM

CTGlabs used one of those magic bulbs from what was said. D will have to comment for anymore info.


I agree with you that there is fraud involved.
If you notice the light it won't even light up the work area below the bulb.
This implies that the lux output of the bulb is VERY LOW.
==> possible fraud!

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 03, 2007, 09:54:05 PM
http://www.sonoluminescence.com/ (http://www.sonoluminescence.com/)

I want you all to go see the wavefrom on the front page. Look familiar?

And
John Hutchison is close to this with his 2 frequencies. He disturbs matter on a grander scale.

This is where I got it from.
http://www.klove.com/news/ (http://www.klove.com/news/)  Science Student Connects Creation To God's Voice 

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 04, 2007, 02:20:44 AM
These are the pages I found most relevant to the current addition to my armory after I fried the first gun. It was only the c2334-y tranny that went out. I am replacing it with a TIP3055.

http://www.analogzone.com/col_10302003.pdf (http://www.analogzone.com/col_10302003.pdf)
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/stun-gun-inside.jpg (http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/stun-gun-inside.jpg)
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/stun-gun-standard.gif (http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/stun-gun-standard.gif)
http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/stunner.htm (http://www.emanator.demon.co.uk/bigclive/stunner.htm)
http://www.electro-tech-online.com/images/projects/stun_gun.gif (http://www.electro-tech-online.com/images/projects/stun_gun.gif)
http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/StunGuns/dazer.htm (http://www.armory.com/~rstevew/Public/StunGuns/dazer.htm)
The stungun is a radiant energy transmitter and produces the same effect as a Tesla coil. The gun has an internal spark gap in its first stage. The electrodes are the final large spark gap.

Just thought some would like to know.

Tonight, after it gets dark, woohahahah(creepy laugh), I will pulse the big ring. I hope to make the Lunar eclipse reverse. Who knows? The first time I got TPU kicks a rocket fell out of the sky over my city. :D

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Helix on March 05, 2007, 01:01:25 PM
Anyone seen this ?

http://appft1.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&d=PG01&p=1&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsrchnum.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&s1=%2220020125774%22.PGNR.&OS=DN/20020125774&RS=DN/20020125774
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 05, 2007, 03:47:25 PM
Yup
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: ronotte on March 06, 2007, 12:09:00 PM
Hi Carl,
referring to the video I do confirm that the guy is just 'promoting' the TPU. He just says that it's good to solve the world energy crisis and things like that. He doesn't say that he has made the thing (we all know that's coming from CTGlabs-demo), just ask to everyone if anybody know where to find the TPU.

For my side I've just completed an exaustive number of tests on a special ring with bifilar Control Coils (Otto connected) and pulsing them in phase and in contro-phase.
Results are interesting but don't have obtained Full lamp light. Later I'll post.

ronotte
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 06, 2007, 01:22:51 PM
@Ronotte,

The more I "Play"with the TPU replication the more I believe the TPU has a operating window we must find. Thus we must continue to experiment to solve for the variables to obtain the prize. We are all getting closer to figuring this thing out.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: ronotte on March 06, 2007, 02:16:33 PM
@Carl,
I forgot to say that with only one 'copper' ring I obtained more output than that got from any 3 ring setup. Are we really sure that we need 3 rings?
Take also in account that I got clean big pulses without any background noise , just rather wide pulses!......but it's not enought.....this with contro-phse pulsing and special output arrangement (it makes also a difference!).
ronotte
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: rensseak on March 06, 2007, 03:41:53 PM

i dont know if this is the right thread for this message but there is an interesting link related to your research:

http://www.geocities.com/nayado/ (http://www.geocities.com/nayado/)

regards
Norbert
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 06, 2007, 03:42:08 PM
Ronotte,

We are not sure how many collector rings are required, we may only need one or two, my next TPU will have 3 16AWG stranded collectors but I am thining the collectors are put in series for a voltage increase or in parallel for a current increase. My next tests will examine this theory as well as few others.

My new TPU will have 5 "rings" or coils,

3  collectors 16AWG @ 24 turns

2 Exciters (control), these will be wound with 34ga magnet wire each coil will be at least 60 ohms

1 feedback, this will be 28ga magnet wire and this one will be at least 40 ohms. I am not sure if I require this much wire on this and will play a bit with this.

I am contructing my new TPU using horizontally wound coils on a frame that allows me to add or remove coils as needed. My first setup will have all coils layered from the top down as follows;

Collector
Exciter
Collector
Feedback
Exciter
Collector

I will use a neo magnet as the focusing element near the feedback and exciter coils using a 9vdc battery as the power source. This is using that circuit I posted earlier. The magnet actually helps focus the field and keeps the feedback going.

This design will allow sharp pulses to induce RE in the exciter coils and allow the collectors to collect the energy.

If you would like to see what the waveform looks like from this circuit take a few and build it, should only take about 15 minutes to breadboard it if you have the parts on hand.

Connect this up to your present TPU and see what it does for you. You may be surprised. The circuit will allow the coils to reach their own resonance and will create the sharp pulses for you without worrying about oscillator stability.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 06, 2007, 03:47:31 PM

i dont know if this is the right thread for this message but there is an interesting link related to your research:

http://www.geocities.com/nayado/ (http://www.geocities.com/nayado/)

regards
Norbert

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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: rensseak on March 06, 2007, 06:55:39 PM

i dont know if this is the right thread for this message but there is an interesting link related to your research:

http://www.geocities.com/nayado/ (http://www.geocities.com/nayado/)

regards
Norbert


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http://freenet-homepage.de/rensseak/genesis-projekt/a.html (http://freenet-homepage.de/rensseak/genesis-projekt/a.html)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 07, 2007, 06:02:12 AM
Rare interview with Tom Bearden on the forgotten work of Nikola Tesla
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6044955461813547423&q=bearden&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6044955461813547423&q=bearden&hl=en)

Tnx Rosphere.

Sounds like the dual transmitter bias is a TPU operation.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on March 07, 2007, 12:54:51 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 08, 2007, 12:37:55 AM
3 segments 3 frequencys and DC on the collector.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 09, 2007, 12:41:35 AM

i dont know if this is the right thread for this message but there is an interesting link related to your research:

http://www.geocities.com/nayado/ (http://www.geocities.com/nayado/)

regards
Norbert

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I am still here! I wish I had this info when I was more active on the TPU.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 09, 2007, 04:12:07 AM
@AhuraMazda,
You know you can never leave, don't you?

--giantkiller
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on March 09, 2007, 04:16:30 AM
@AhuraMazda,
You know you can never leave, don't you?

--giantkiller

 Gk is right, You can check OUt anytime you like but you can never leave
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 09, 2007, 07:36:38 PM
3 segments 3 frequencys and DC on the collector.

This is my direction for this weekend.
On my GK4 I will sequentially wire the 4 segments per each collector into 1 segment per each collector. And into each of these 3 segment/collector layers I will put in a different frequency. I will apply a dc voltage to all collectors, in series or parallel. I will try both.
I have my 1st stungun repaired. Overdrove the base of the oscillator tranny with a greater voltage than the base-emitter bias could handle. The tranny is a c2334-y high speed epitaxial with a +5v bias. I stunned the stungun. Revenge is sweet.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 09, 2007, 08:37:36 PM
be sure to also drive a pulsed DC.....

"Yes we are definitely spinning the field at an unbelievable high rate"

"Has anyone ever done any research on what happens when we create a magnetic field and revolve it faster and faster.
What changes and at what speed or frequency of the pulsed field do things suddenly change?"

Try two frequency's which create a beat frequency, and this beat frequency creates another beat frequency when combined with the frequency of the collector.

Good luck.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: ring_theory on March 10, 2007, 06:47:35 AM
One RING! One LORD!!

Looks like your playing a bipolar game with a monopole. Have fun with that.  ::)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 11, 2007, 01:05:26 AM
Just catching up on some tests.

Ran a stun gun into the collectors of GK4. Lo and behold when I grab the coil I felt the same thing as that fateful day when I got kicks for the first time back on January-13-2007. Same shocking feeling Tesla said he experienced.
It is a good day to fry! And the coil is cold.
Another day and I am pleased. On to the next experiment. I am trying to make an obedient woman that doesn't talk. TPUs are probably easier, eh?

--giantkiller. One small step for the TPU builders. One great step for mankind.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on March 11, 2007, 01:48:24 AM
 GK. on your next experiment you are no doubt going to fail.  ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on March 11, 2007, 04:46:52 AM
Sauron may be right,
Perhaps sending pulses into the collector that is immersed in a high speed field would be an interesting experiment.

I am still building tube sections with hartley oscillators as the source and two phase output ,keeping distortion to a minimum..02 % at 1w .3 % at 5w..but it is not ss phase distortion..it think that we have been told , is important.

It takes a very long time ratting old equipment etc.

Gk, i wonder if the field stunned your gun..i found that when anything interesting happens my ss failed in one way or another...

we can never leave .. not now..not ever.

The spinning magnet crowd have created is an interesting read...I wish them well but my experience prevents me from engaging there.

marco has posted some interesting tests and some great graphics on dave's site

For the last 3 weeks of spare time I have not even hooked up a coil...just building the test tube rack..getting closer...no shortcuts will be taken.

my setup
6bq7 hartley oscillator 12au7 driver/phase splitter 6as7g output in cathode follower config...no feedback!

Clean and stable sine... and 3 octave range from each hartley coil using capacitance.

good hunting to all

Yes, these are surely guy things and  not for chatting about at the pub.

This really is keeping me off the streets!

back to my cave

Lindsay Mannix   


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 11, 2007, 06:17:13 AM
This is the final answer.
This TPU stage is transmitting to cause ringing in the aether. That is what the current posts are pointing at and what Tesla was talking about. It still fits in with the audio feedback posts I did. We want to use the earth's field in the feedback loop in phase to cause return energy to cause oscillations(Remember the audio receptions in the movie 'Contact'? Phwoomph, Phwoomph, Phwoomph). This is what all SM's TPUs did.  Sound waves, magnetic waves, radiant energy, kicks it's all the same just different parts of the spectrum.
Remember the dancing magnets that Turbo showed? That showed if you send 7.8hz into space the resonance of a magnetic material is excited. If you look at the 2 dancing magnets as control coils and the collectors as the 7.8hz input frequency one can see how to get the ringing feedback. The control coils don't move but the fields do. These then cut across the feedback coils. 2 frequencies, 7.8hz and the control coil freq. This is just a subset of the Hutchison effect.

The brain is the engine for the mind.
The mind is the visualization for the journey.
And the journey is where we create reality.

--giantkiller. I am just very glad I am not doing this alone.
Title: Another one bites the dust
Post by: giantkiller on March 12, 2007, 03:48:11 PM
http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article1656362.ece

I say 'Bad flyback design'.
I guess even the TVs are repulsed by what is on them. We could be heading for TV Armageddon! Total TV meltdown?  Gives MADtv a whole new meaning. Looks like peace at last.

--giantkiller. Can you feel the vortex here? What's the sucking sound?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 13, 2007, 02:56:34 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on March 13, 2007, 05:05:03 AM
Hello Everyone,

Just thought I would drop in and give an update on my progress. I am currently gathering parts to make my three-channel tube amplifier for my TPU tests. I've been doing some reading on tube technology and searching for the simplest possible tube amplifier and power supply circuit. For the power stage, I'll be using 6au6 tubes and *maybe* 6K6 diode tubes for my power supply (yep I'm making that from scratch too).

Since it is obvious by now that we need a very stable frequency source, I have been doing a lot of thinking about the simplest possible way to make and control frequencies. My original thought was to go with a microcontroller approach but I'm not ready to invest the necessary time in building and programming one yet. So for the mean time, I bought three cheap function generators ($45 kits assembled), which have a range of up to 1MHz that I can use to do some manual tweaking with. I figured that I could simply run a looong coax cable from the function generators to the tube amp (which would be close to my coil) to run it from a save distance without interference from hash.

A second approach would be to use a sound card for the function generator and simply program it to do whatever frequency sweeps I want. That would work well but then, in that case, I am limited to a maximum frequency of 48 kHz. However, it would still be a cheap alternative to the micro controller approach. I am also looking into making an anaolog ocsillator to control the circuit though this will be my last approach since I already have the function generators on hand.

I am in the process now of getting some tubes from eBay (by the way, the 6au6s are dirt cheap!), and I need to scrounge up a suitable transformer for the power supply. The tube approach really isn't all that horrible as long as you can find a simple circuit to build off of. Of course, I'll hold my tongue until I get it working!

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on March 13, 2007, 10:23:00 AM
Jason,
another tuber...great!

Welcome to electron clouds and particle accelerators.

And the recreation of the early experimental TPU history.

When you get a power source and are setup, make a standard "hartley oscillator" with only one triode section.

You will need to find a bobbin but they are available as small smps units  usually about 25 mm in diamater ,about 30 then 90 turns will give you a good result.

You can switch between coils and change capacitance...3 otcaves is what I have ..it will depend on the circuit.

Try it and see how absolutley clean  and stable it is.

You will be surprised and pleased....no dirt .. ( phase distortion)

Each stage of mine uses 5 triode sections.(3 tubes)..then the 6as7 out put, total of seven

oscillator 1 phase splitter 2 drivers 2 ..one unused...as yet.

they are all hi mu tubes 12au7 6bq7 ..small adjustments depending on the tube...many are suitable...use what you have around.
And avoid using feed back to minimise distortion.  Thats the hard part.

"Triodes create less distortion"

My biggest problem has been getting the 7.5 amps heater current for the 6as7's....not to mention that they want only 160 volts.
so 2 supplies will be needed unless you use other than 6as7..Im going with those because they come well recommended.

Lots of 1 meg resistors and lots of .1 and .01 600v caps.

use a ss bridge,200 cap,series 5ar4,or similar another 200 cap... pretty smooth dc! That was well recommended too

good parts hunting!

Lindsay



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 13, 2007, 05:15:05 PM
And my update is:
I have 3 collectors stacked. Each collector has 1 segment controller, all 4 of each layer in series.
I run a frequency through the collectors and a 2nd frequency thru the control coils, all layers in parallel. There are no feedbacks connected. They are just there in the coil.
Results:
I can burn up trannys. I now get kicks no matter what frequency range I use. And the kicks eminate from the coil. You can physically feel and hear them. No tones coming from the coil.
It is a stun gun without the spark gap. The physical feelings are not as experienced as a stun gun, but they are there.
I now am going to try different jumpering. I don't think I have to though. I have the very basic and simplest wiring configuration. I am going to work on the feedback to cause a ramp up for power. All of SM's TPUs do 'ramp up'. I am going to place a spark gap between the configuration I have now and the addition of the feedbacks. Of course I'll experiment with frequency combinations.
The effort has been to try to get power out. I'd be a fool to enter a skateboard into the Indy 500 or expect to throw a Frisbee to the Moon. Get the circuit to ramp up and let the power come from where it is instead of trying to generate it.

--giantkiller. It already exists.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on March 13, 2007, 10:28:12 PM
Hi Lindsay,

Thanks for the suggestions on the components. Didn't Mr. Mark say not to use any SS stuff in the circuit since the TPU would interfere with it? Are you sure there won't be any problems with using a SS rectifier rather than a tube rectifier? If true, then I'll be happy to avoid the extra work with the diode tube.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on March 13, 2007, 10:55:29 PM
Jason,
the ss bridge is effectively isolated by having an electron cloud in series with it.. My thoughts were the same  at the time also.

Experience has shown that the adverse effects are on sources,out puts and, my frequency meter !.... blinded by the light?

For some, tubes seem a step backward but as soon as you see how stable the platform is you will go....oh that must be why he said tubes..so long ago.

I shared this reluctance for many months.

Lindsay



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: MrMag on March 13, 2007, 11:30:40 PM
I know it's fun to build but wouldn't an old tube sine wave generator serve the purpose?
I found an old Heathkit model IG-82 on eBay for about $30.00.
I've attached the schematic if anyone is interested.
Title: Q for GK.
Post by: FatBird on March 14, 2007, 01:11:27 AM
GK said:

And my update is:
I have 3 collectors stacked. Each collector has 1 segment controller, all 4 of each layer in series.
I run a frequency through the collectors and a 2nd frequency thru the control coils, all layers in parallel. There are no feedbacks connected. They are just there in the coil.
Results:
I can burn up trannys. I now get kicks no matter what frequency range I use. And the kicks eminate from the coil. You can physically feel and hear them. No tones coming from the coil.
It is a stun gun without the spark gap. The physical feelings are not as experienced as a stun gun, but they are there.
I now am going to try different jumpering. I don't think I have to though. I have the very basic and simplest wiring configuration. I am going to work on the feedback to cause a ramp up for power. All of SM's TPUs do 'ramp up'. I am going to place a spark gap between the configuration I have now and the addition of the feedbacks. Of course I'll experiment with frequency combinations.
The effort has been to try to get power out. I'd be a fool to enter a skateboard into the Indy 500 or expect to throw a Frisbee to the Moon. Get the circuit to ramp up and let the power come from where it is instead of trying to generate it.

--giantkiller. It already exists.

=============================================================

Thank you for sharing your new circuit GK.  Are you using copper or Garden Wire?  How many turns on each coil?

Thank you.


.
Title: Guitar center audio technician
Post by: giantkiller on March 14, 2007, 02:45:32 AM
@Fatbird,
I apologize for the lack of info and I hope enough people see this. I am using my sequence controller / driver with GK4. Same ol', same ol'. Lords of the ring page1 post 2. I know what I have is close because it is a totaly open configuration. Build once, use many.

Let me re-iterate! I cannot avoid or get away from the kicks now. Man, is that a proud statement? Imagine that?
I told an audio technician in Guitar center that I took a speaker, removed the cone, and moved the voice coil to the outer ring, and place microphones in the center and drove the outer ring like a transmitting antenna. I then asked why would I do that? He immediately said 'You'll blow the whole frickin thing up'. I stated 'Exactly'. I then asked 'What if I also placed a power pickup in the center in the feedback loop?' 'You'd have some kind of generator'  he replied. I placed GK4 in his hands and I just looked at him and then you should have seen him light up! The rest is history. I am doing other tasks to get this known. I pick my victims well.

--giantkiller. It is a good day to rock!

If I had wanted to take the other pill I wouldn't have gone down this rabbit hole so far.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 14, 2007, 03:45:01 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on March 14, 2007, 09:37:59 AM
I know it's fun to build but wouldn't an old tube sine wave generator serve the purpose?
I found an old Heathkit model IG-82 on eBay for about $30.00.
I've attached the schematic if anyone is interested.

Good one, fat bird,
now you will need two more..
That the problem I had...that's why I built them..

The circuit you provided is a wein bridge type..the best but a lot to build I hope that you can find 3..I wish you the best skill and luck.

Steven started with 3 old tube generators ..driving tube amps.

Lindsay

ps
GK, we may look back soon and wonder why we could not see it ...

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on March 14, 2007, 11:56:02 AM
Hello all,

if youre interested in such a shematic google: tesla coil with transistors and you will have a lot of informations.

Otto


Title: Way too much fun.
Post by: giantkiller on March 14, 2007, 06:00:02 PM
When I connected the GK4 control coils across a stun gun there was the blue lightning jumping from layer to layer around the ring. Totally Outer Limits! I am going to turn the lights out next experiment. It' alive & kickin'! And when I grabbed the ring I thought I had apprehended myself!
I think I should start a franchise called 'McCoil'. Billions burned.

--giantkiller. If only my neighbors knew there was a trillionare next door?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 14, 2007, 07:11:51 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 15, 2007, 03:27:45 AM
Trillionare: Their debt value.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 15, 2007, 01:42:26 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on March 15, 2007, 10:29:22 PM
Hi Joe,

Is that power measurement the amount of power your transistors are running into the TPU or the amount of output power you are getting from your TPU?

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: We've had another coworker murdered!
Post by: giantkiller on March 16, 2007, 12:04:41 AM
Hi all,
I wanted this link in this thread for prosperity sake.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2083.msg25412.html#msg25412

--giantkiller. :'(
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 16, 2007, 02:26:34 AM
 :)
Title: We all could be on a list somewhere.
Post by: giantkiller on March 16, 2007, 04:51:36 AM
Hello all

@ G.K. you knew this person?  being that i,m new here I didn,t know them,
          man that,s sad, were they on to something? were they in the states?
          I,m wondering how dangerous this work is and if someone would goto
          such extreemes to keep it "silent" then I,m betting "overunity" is not
          as difficult as it seems, simple to replicate once the "djinn is out of
          the bottle".

          Man if that,s true... It just burns me up... trying to put a "cap on real
          knowledge",  for what, really, WHAT! Theyre ego, cause they want to
          administrate the world?  They,ve done a bangup job so far >:(
          psshhhh!


I did not know him personally. But have read his works. He wanted the greater things like the rest of us in the Overunity clubs. Because that is where the future is. All my stuff is public along with alot of the others. I hope and pray that keeps the rest of safe.

I'll bring you up to speed:
Eugene Mallove
Paul E. Brown
Esa Maunu
If you want a real shocker then google '100 dead scientists'. The number is greater now. And you're right on. It is that simple. Tricky, but simple. Something new will happen here by the 15th of April. We don't have martyrs, just affirmations.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?PHPSESSID=8ecbebe91a88ee6dfabf4c76186f5a5c&topic=1194.msg9326#msg9326
Sorry you had to come to the realization the hard way. This is serious biz! No one person can make a profit off this. He would have to expose himself up against the monster that has been on the loose for centuries. And that means certain death.

--giantkiller. Hence the name.
Title: Re: We've had another coworker murdered!
Post by: mkt3920 on March 16, 2007, 05:03:10 AM
Hi all,
I wanted this link in this thread for prosperity sake.
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2083.msg25412.html#msg25412

--giantkiller. :'(

In reference to Esa:
""The discussions with Esa Maunu stimulated the ideas leading to the recent model of the Searle effect based on Faraday effect."

is found in this paper:
About Strange Effects Related to Rotating Magnetic Systems
by M. Pitkanen, University of Helsinki, Finland
http://www.helsinki.fi/~matpitka/faraday.pdf

GOOD INFO in this paper.
Kent

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 16, 2007, 05:49:56 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on March 16, 2007, 10:05:48 AM
Hello all,

GK,

dont worry, we all ARE on a list. "They" know all about us.

Otto
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 17, 2007, 05:18:18 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 17, 2007, 05:42:06 AM
hello all

Now that I got some sleep, I can think a little clearer 8)

I am using 1 ring for now (haven,t had time to make the bottom one yet)
I,m using the same winding pattern as G.K.,s, but the the field isn,t a
rotating one (pretty sure) here it goes, one transistor kicks on and it,s set
to create a counterclockwise field with two of the windings, straight across
from each other, this field rises and induces an "on pulse" that goes to the
other transistor base (you will have to play with the polarity to get it right)

This transistor is connected to the other two windings to create a clockwise
field rotation, the two fields "smack together" and create odd effects.  It seems
the system is self adjusting as there is a sound that varies over time.

Now if I hook a top and bottom ring in series, kind of like -_-_-_ where the bottom
ring windings is in the gap between the top windings I would bet one could get
a d.c. output in the cover windings (the ones that cover the whole unit).

In one of the videos S.M. spoke about when two frequencies smacked together,
perhaps this is what he was doing 8)

dirt

P.S. it seems I might of had a visitor lastnight, I was fast asleep but my neighbor
       came over today and asked if heard those "planes or helicopters" lastnight.
       I don,t live in a city, just a small town in the "sticks" so low flying craft is
       not the norm...  oh well, perhaps the fun has begun 8)

Great results. And yes you play with it after you get kicks and the follow on effects are cool.

In regards to the aircraft, accept everything. The first morning I pulsed GK4 a rocket fell out of the sky over my city an hour later. Odd? Yes. Coincedance? Who knows. But I will always remember that. And what are the chances of that? Come on!

--giantkiller. We are entering into a strange energy realm.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 17, 2007, 08:19:20 PM
hello thought I'd say I'm enjoying seeing all the researchers moving along with there experiments . I'll be posting soon some of my work .. just have fun and don't worry about things we all have a need to protect each other if the need arises we can help each other in living quarters if things get to tough
   the small blue coil is my idea of the triode tube , the copper coil is a boost collector 8 agw wire inserted in 3/8 copper tubing . the large white coil is a hollow core air tube made out of aluminum . I'm working on my . what i call my Tesla transistor . It is a commutator out of a DC motor that is powered by another motor this is my variable switch that will allow me to very the speed of switching and will be able to use the bread board attached to very electronic parts in the circuit.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: simonmagus on March 17, 2007, 11:22:40 PM
As a long-time lurker I just wanted to thank everyone working on this project. In addition, here is some interesting information on a toroidal generator that may be relevant. It uses an iron core, a surrounding thermopile and has been tested successfully. Interestingly, the technology never came to market.

"Key Experimental Results

Laboratory tests on the generator have achieved densities up to
120,000 ampshn.?, which have been verified independently. Other testing shows that more than 1,000 V can be tapped by the Hall effect using a 1 -Tesla, 60-Hz field applied to a junction; output frequencies from 1 Hz to 1 Ghz were achieved. Engineering studies performed at the Pulse Power Directorate at Picatinny Arsenal, New Jersey tested energy densities for specific applications ranging from high-speed train suspension, biomolecular separation, automotive electric power supplies, and ship propulsion. Selected performance data developed with varioussized laboratory models are summarized in the table below."

Please see files attached.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 18, 2007, 04:27:28 AM
@motorcoach1,
I had been drooling at the hardware store over fat copper like you got. Cool! We all have to follow our own 1 design. Thanks for doing that one! If you set off a 50/50 mix of black powder and iron filings pellet in the center youv'e created an EMP generator. Some specs on the web are 4"diam @ 4ft long is enough to stop a car @ 20ft and effect computers in nearby buildings. My little stungun experiment knocked out my cablebox, router, and workstation. And in the middle of tax season. Jeez what was I thinking of?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on March 18, 2007, 04:45:47 AM
As a long-time lurker I just wanted to thank everyone working on this project. In addition, here is some interesting information on a toroidal generator that may be relevant. It uses an iron core, a surrounding thermopile and has been tested successfully. Interestingly, the technology never came to market.

"Key Experimental Results

Laboratory tests on the generator have achieved densities up to
120,000 ampshn.’, which have been verified independently. Other testing shows that more than 1,000 V can be tapped by the Hall effect using a 1 -Tesla, 60-Hz field applied to a junction; output frequencies from 1 Hz to 1 Ghz were achieved. Engineering studies performed at the Pulse Power Directorate at Picatinny Arsenal, New Jersey tested energy densities for specific applications ranging from high-speed train suspension, biomolecular separation, automotive electric power supplies, and ship propulsion. Selected performance data developed with varioussized laboratory models are summarized in the table below."

Please see files attached.


Interesting post. Not like the rings that we build for a TPU. But such a devise would be of great use in areas like Iceland and Hiwii. where much heat could be harnessed and slaved in to power.

Thanks fpr posting it. Moab
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 18, 2007, 05:17:19 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Guitar center audio technician
Post by: FreeEnergy on March 18, 2007, 06:25:07 AM
I told an audio technician in Guitar center that I took a speaker, removed the cone, and moved the voice coil to the outer ring, and place microphones in the center and drove the outer ring like a transmitting antenna. I then asked why would I do that? He immediately said 'You'll blow the whole frickin thing up'. I stated 'Exactly'. I then asked 'What if I also placed a power pickup in the center in the feedback loop?' 'You'd have some kind of generator'  he replied.

dude! this is great stuff. I hope people didn't miss this post.
Title: Re: Guitar center audio technician
Post by: giantkiller on March 18, 2007, 12:09:36 PM
I told an audio technician in Guitar center that I took a speaker, removed the cone, and moved the voice coil to the outer ring, and place microphones in the center and drove the outer ring like a transmitting antenna. I then asked why would I do that? He immediately said 'You'll blow the whole frickin thing up'. I stated 'Exactly'. I then asked 'What if I also placed a power pickup in the center in the feedback loop?' 'You'd have some kind of generator'  he replied.

dude! this is great stuff. I hope people didn't miss this post.

I have been posting all the clues and crypticities I can find. And here is the latest.
Joe dirt posted this Steven Mark video and I go watch it again for the umpteenth time. Lo and behold another 'Incoming' clue. And very well placed by Steven Mark, the greatest puzzle master on the planet. (Please SM, take a bow ;) )
Here is the vid and in this shot we see both his hands grabbing the SM15. This shot is from the segment where SM is using a pair of wire nippers to cut the control electronics from inside the ring.  Nipper is in the background.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=overunity&hl=en (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1944827568401901581&q=overunity&hl=en)
Attached is the 'Clue for the day'.
http://home.rca.com/en-US/PressReleaseDetail.html?Cat=RCAHistory&MN=11
http://www.tvacres.com/adanimals_nipperrca.htm

--giantkiller. "His Master's Voice"
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: TheOne on March 18, 2007, 03:20:39 PM
something i found on ebay, http://cgi.ebay.ca/FREE-ENERGY-DEVICE-120-VOLT-ENERGY-FROM-MID-AIR_W0QQitemZ250095087739QQcategoryZ3240QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

somekind of ring stuffs!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: simonmagus on March 18, 2007, 04:30:15 PM
Interesting post. Not like the rings that we build for a TPU. But such a devise would be of great use in areas like Iceland and Hiwii. where much heat could be harnessed and slaved in to power.

The generators by The Trymer Co. and SM are differently designed BUT they share three interesting features.

(1)They are toroidal in shape, (2)a magnetic field applied to each coil junction, and (3)frequency(s) are used. The frequency for SM's device is secret but Trymer's method is publicly disclosed in the paper. SM's device has 4 coil junctions tapped instead of 3(Trymer's device).

It looks like they are both using the Hall Effect in order to produce extra power.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: simonmagus on March 18, 2007, 06:45:02 PM
After reviewing Steve's videos I am convinced the Hall Effect is at the heart of his generator. My claim corresponds with his statements, videos and these various sources.

SIMILAR OUTPUT

"We have made larger devices which put out an average of 20 amps of current at 1000 volts. These devices could easily power large industries and third world nations, aircraft without the use of fossile fuels The basic point to all of this is it is a new technology It is not a battery collecting energy from outer space. The technology utilised in this is very simple ____(censored)_____ receiving ____(censored)_____ new _____(censored)______ old engineering philosophies, nothing magic..."
Source: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=167210479374903373&q=steven+mark&hl=en#0h34m28s

"Other testing shows that more than 1,000 V can be tapped by the Hall effect using a 1 -Tesla, 60-Hz field applied to a junction; output frequencies from 1 Hz to 1 Ghz were achieved." - The Trymer Co.(Compiled by Pacific Northwest Laboratory for the U.S. Department of Energy,)
Source: http://www.p2pays.org/ref/15/14377.pdf

INTERESTING TIMELINES

"Though these five videos were posted to Google Video in 2006, they all appear to have been produced in a similar time period. Some show a date: 1997. Video two, listed first, is the best and longest presentation of the technology."
Source: http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Steve_Marks_Toroid_Generator

"The 5-kW rural generator is expected to be completed in 1995" - The Trymer Co.
Source: http://www.p2pays.org/ref/15/14377.pdf

The Trymer Co., was awarded NSF Grant No. 9561696; Amount: $75,000 in 1997 (had 11 Employees).
Source: http://www.nsf.gov/pubs/1997/nsf97151/phase1b.htm#t20.140
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 18, 2007, 10:25:35 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: simonmagus on March 18, 2007, 11:12:08 PM
@simonmagus  When I first watched that video it was coming up to that part, my
                     heart started racing, the anticipation was building, just about to
                     learn the heart of the matter...  then...  zip...

Even if Steve's device was a scam(I doubt it), the Trymer $500 generator had huge potential for "free" electricity.  They knew their invention worked based on independent tests and were ready for production.  Something stopped the technology from going to market. Here is the last entry I could find on Trymer Co.:

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE                                            PAGE  192
                                                 PRIME CONTRACT AWARDS OVER $25,000
                                           BY WEAPON SYSTEM, CONTRACTOR AND WORK PERFORMED
                                                          FISCAL YEAR 1996

TRYMER COMPANY (INC)             Texas      AC23  RDTE/Missile and Space Systems-Advanced De                         

Source: http://www.fas.org/man/contract/fy96/96_bmd_a.htm

Go figure. What kind of influence can motivate someone to keep these discoveries a secret? Hopefully someone will crack the problem and distribute the information freely. We are long overdue for another technological revolution.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 19, 2007, 02:25:16 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Topguner2 on March 19, 2007, 04:10:06 PM
something i found on ebay, http://cgi.ebay.ca/FREE-ENERGY-DEVICE-120-VOLT-ENERGY-FROM-MID-AIR_W0QQitemZ250095087739QQcategoryZ3240QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

somekind of ring stuffs!

There is already a thread about this here called "FREE ENERGY DEVICE from Ebay???"

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1933.0.html
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 19, 2007, 09:05:17 PM
Interesting post. Not like the rings that we build for a TPU. But such a devise would be of great use in areas like Iceland and Hiwii. where much heat could be harnessed and slaved in to power.

The generators by The Trymer Co. and SM are differently designed BUT they share three interesting features.

(1)They are toroidal in shape, (2)a magnetic field applied to each coil junction, and (3)frequency(s) are used. The frequency for SM's device is secret but Trymer's method is publicly disclosed in the paper. SM's device has 4 coil junctions tapped instead of 3(Trymer's device).

It looks like they are both using the Hall Effect in order to produce extra power.

'Hall effect' can also be the sound effect applied in Audio processing techniques.

And in memory of those who have gone before:

"I believe that to have a friend,
a man must be one.

That all men are created equal
and that everyone has within himself
the power to make this a better world.

That God put the firewood there
but that every man
must gather and light it himself.

In being prepared
physically, mentally, and morally
to fight when necessary
for that which is right.

That a man should make the most
of what equipment he has.

That 'This government,
of the people, by the people
and for the people'
shall live always.

That men should live by
the rule of what is best
for the greatest number.

That sooner or later...
somewhere...somehow...
we must settle with the world
and make payment for what we have taken.

That all things change but truth, and that truth alone, lives on forever. In my Creator, my country, my fellow man."

--giantkiller. The Tone Ranger rides again.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 20, 2007, 08:52:09 AM
 :)
Title: Tesla quotes
Post by: giantkiller on March 20, 2007, 05:40:15 PM
And there's the wind up....

" If ever we can ascertain at what period the earth's charge, when disturbed, oscillates, . . .
we shall know a fact possibly of the greatest importance to the welfare of the human race. "
?  Nikola Tesla, 1893

The pitch is thrown...

" The present is theirs; the future, for which I really work, is mine. "
?  Nikola Tesla

The batter swings...

http://www.cheniere.org/books/analysis/pc_wave.htm

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 20, 2007, 06:56:18 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 20, 2007, 07:27:45 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: FreeEnergy on March 20, 2007, 08:52:36 PM
this is my first post in this thred and i would like to mention that my computer has been hacked recantly but only since i have started working on this project it has crashed nermous times and the more i dig in to this the more it seams to act up so just thought that i would let you all know i am a computer guy and this that i am seeing should not happin but as you all know that there was a big sercuity porb with windoze and that would allow eatrnal access to any computer and i am now wondering if microsoft has some kind of agreement with the upper powers to access to who evers computer they wish i beleave this is so more than true


but any how this will not stop my quest for free energy

william

use Linux. www.xubuntu.com
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: TheOne on March 20, 2007, 09:05:02 PM
this is my first post in this thred and i would like to mention that my computer has been hacked recantly but only since i have started working on this project it has crashed nermous times and the more i dig in to this the more it seams to act up so just thought that i would let you all know i am a computer guy and this that i am seeing should not happin but as you all know that there was a big sercuity porb with windoze and that would allow eatrnal access to any computer and i am now wondering if microsoft has some kind of agreement with the upper powers to access to who evers computer they wish i beleave this is so more than true


but any how this will not stop my quest for free energy

william

pure bullshit man, you prob have a virus or installed a spyware

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 20, 2007, 09:27:24 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: TheOne on March 20, 2007, 09:33:32 PM
the one i have no use for any of your comments your past posts have proved you to be a close minded fool!

as a coder i can tell you MS don't care about free energy, if you computer do crazy stuff, just repair it! This kind of issues is related to virus or freeware/spyware, no free energy conspiracy or crazy stuff like that, you prob listen to much tv!

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 20, 2007, 09:44:33 PM
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Title: Thanks Joe.
Post by: FatBird on March 21, 2007, 12:35:48 AM
Thank you Joe for sharing your Results Posting & Photo.

Could you please post a schematic for your setup.

Thank you sir.

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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 01:29:01 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 01:36:07 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 21, 2007, 05:16:46 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 21, 2007, 01:59:27 PM
Reproduce this!

This closely resembles the bucking coil jumpering.
For those of you that have coils already, they are similar besides the wire and turn specs, just fire it up. The collectors are only used for output. They are not connected to the input side of the circuit. Be careful of the voltage and sparks.
And by all means put things in the center. It moves magnets, water, it heats steel, vibrates, jerks motors, it goes bump in the night.
Any volume of copper and diameter seem to work. It do 7.8hz!
Vary the hall effect distance to tune. If anyone can replace the halls with something else then by all means go ahead.

Control coils: 72 turn each 32"(?) 4"
26 gauge phone wire

yes 1. Assume first wires to go on cylinder ring form? 1" length of PVC pipe. Makes easy winding. Wind it on (bunched up is fine. doesn't have to lay flat) then cut pipe to length.
yes 2. Typo: should be 32'4", (32 feet 4 inches,) not 32"4", right?
yes 3. Phone cord; you mean the four-wire stuff?
No feedback coil in circuit yet. That could be the way to alleviate the Hall effect tranny.

Collector Coil (secondary) 70 turns, 51'
3(?) gauge mag-wire

No 1. Final wrap over four control coils? No final or feedback.
yes 2. Typo: we mean 30 gauge mag-wire, right?
yes 3. Wrap in RHR fashion, going clockwise around? This matches the original GK4 spec.
yes 4. (Forgot to ask same question for Step Two,) RHR-clockwise direction for control coils as well; ugh,... may I wrap all winds in the same sense?

If you already have a 4 segment wired just try this. If it is not right then wind a new one.
I am winding the GK4 twin. I want 2.
This site only allows 5 personal messages in 1 hour.

@joe dirt,
you feel like upgrading your GK43 pic?

I am but a mere messenger for the cause.
Sorry guys. No time for the bull-shit. Just 'Git 'r' dun!'.
--giantkiller. Glad to be of service.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Thaelin on March 21, 2007, 03:13:24 PM
Hi Ya JD:
   Did your circ but added one more pair to make three. Due to the low resistance I started it out on 3v and it puts out 30. Oscilations are running around 1.7 mhz on mine. Its very interesting but amp hungry. Easily tries for one amp at 7.5v. Will be messing with it more as I get the time. 4 work days ahead and I get little time in between to do anything but work,eat and sleep. Good design. Mine started to osc as I wired up the last trigger wire to the center of the two resistors. They go no where right now and it still goes. That may mean a bad tranny but will see. Going to hook up  a diode and cap on the outside coil and join it back into the power to see if it will leach on its self. More to come.

sugra
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: simonmagus on March 21, 2007, 03:53:41 PM
I conducted a patent search on Applied Materials Inc (patent assignee of Steve's device) and came across thousands of patents. After filtering with keywords there was one that stuck out of all the results.

Can someone here be kind enough to take a look and find any insight? Some users here have reported success with 3 frequencies. The T.P.U controller/methods might be disclosed in this patent's descriptions.

Use of variable RF generator to control coil voltage distribution #6,345,588

"an RF generator coupled to said impedance matching circuit, said generator generating an RF signal having a cyclically variable frequency which shifts between at least three frequencies in each cycle for time-averaging voltage distributions along said coil. "
Source: http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect1=PTO2&Sect2=HITOFF&u=%2Fnetahtml%2FPTO%2Fsearch-adv.htm&r=32&f=G&l=50&d=PTXT&p=1&p=1&S1=((%22Applied+Materials,+Inc%22.ASNM.)+AND+RF.TI.)&OS=AN/%22Applied+Materials,+Inc%22+AND+TTL/RF&RS=(AN/%22Applied+Materials,+Inc%22+AND+TTL/RF)

Full patent is attached.
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Post by: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 04:30:08 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 04:36:59 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 04:39:25 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 04:59:00 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 21, 2007, 05:03:28 PM
Let's get down to brass tacks here,
If anybody can go down to the local Radio shack, buy $20.00usd worth of legal items and 1) create energy or 2) blow themselves up, why should a piece of paper stop anyone? I could just as easily put a 50/50 mix of bleach & ammonia in a microwave and wreak havoc with the E.P.A. But there are warnings on the bottle!

--giantkiller. Nothing or nobody is in my way. Noise.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 05:28:25 PM
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Title: TPU relevancey
Post by: giantkiller on March 21, 2007, 06:17:32 PM
This is a very valid test and does directly relate to the TPU endeavors.

There are only 2 types of circuit configurations. The 1 wire and the kick feedback. The later is just an added stage to the previous.

Thanks,
--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 06:44:58 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: TheOne on March 21, 2007, 06:55:16 PM
just letting everyone know that my comp probs have only gotten worse i am only able to post 1 realy quic b4 my comp goes crazy i have onle 1 explanation for this it that someone is watching my every word when i post i beleave someone is try ing verry hard to block my ip addy or counter ping the packets that my comp is sending so it is hard for me to stay on line what happins to my comp is it freazes verry fast and does not do anything at all i have to unplug it form the wall reconfig my biaos and boot back up then i can managg to post agin i spent 4 hours going through my entire comp thinking it is a prob hear at my house but it in fact is not


has anyone else had any similar probs? it only seams to act up hear at overunity.com

supression i guess

william


o yea i could only get my volts as low as .27 in my test but i think if i can get it to 0 then i will have a lot of power as in output but i think i will need a simple 2 way flasher to achive 0 volts when coil is powered but even at .27 i get back 5.25 volts and it last for about 5 seconds or so that is an increase of .20 volts from what i started from

please post results to the test if you have tried it to confirm my findings

Something you can try even if you don't beleive me is:

Install spybot, adaware, run it, i'm sure that will help

Give it a try, this soft are free and remove a lot of crap from a computer, i usually run both of this soft each month to be sure i don't have crap on my computer...



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 21, 2007, 07:11:53 PM
http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/ (http://www.bleepingcomputer.com/)
This saved my laptop last year. It is a complete pc cleaning solution.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 21, 2007, 07:36:53 PM

the one i have no use for any of your comments your past posts have proved you to be a close minded fool!



it will work for the tpu



im getting closer i know 
 


im sure this it it



im sur that this is part of the control circuit


Men, make up your mind
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 08:08:59 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 08:13:58 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 21, 2007, 08:41:36 PM
@GK,

IS that circuit you posted using left hand windings? Also, any real output on the collector other than reduced sinewaves?

I will give this a try on one of my other TPU's later today, not sure if I have the Hall sensors though. Maybe I can wrap a small coil for feedback and use that to trigger a trany..... Have you given this a try yet? It sounds like you did, just curious as to your results.

<edit>
Thinking more about the circuit, it appears this stores up a charge in the CAP using a one wire approach and then discharges the CAP using the Hall when the field grows large enough to trigger it. Humm, similar to my idea I am working on..... we all seem to be circling the wagons here.....
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Still working on my other idea, had to go and get a drill press, adding to the shop it seems in order to build jigs.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 08:45:34 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 21, 2007, 08:53:12 PM
i am having a verry hard time staying on line so i will hack myself a new ip addy i will post more when i can

try firefox if you are using IE
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: TheOne on March 21, 2007, 09:02:20 PM
i am having a verry hard time staying on line so i will hack myself a new ip addy i will post more when i can

try firefox if you are using IE

yes, i don't use IE at all, only use firefox, IE is not stable and have a lot of bugs with image (png). The speed is better with firefox too!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 21, 2007, 09:12:13 PM
I was having issues with IE 6 on this board and had to change, I couldn't DL anything  after awhile so I loaded up FF instead.

Also every once in a while I noticed there are trojans in the ads, I have multiple FW's and antivirus running so I wouldn't doubt that Innovation has a few virus issues if he doesn't have the proper protection.

 ;D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 21, 2007, 09:22:38 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 21, 2007, 09:53:04 PM
I,m pulling all my pics and downloads,  figure those who wanted it, got it.

This will save on bandwidth,  time to move on It,s been fun!
Where you going?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on March 21, 2007, 11:17:28 PM
I,m pulling all my pics and downloads,  figure those who wanted it, got it.

This will save on bandwidth,  time to move on It,s been fun!

Who is John Galt?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 21, 2007, 11:34:03 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 22, 2007, 12:50:04 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: HopeForHumanity on March 22, 2007, 04:39:01 AM
LOL! Maybe carnivore is monitoring your every move, or maybe this site. It's very easy for carnivore to watch your every packet being sent. Carnivore is a packet sniffer used by the FBI. Much information on carnivore is kept secret, so no one has been able to fully blame the FBI for braking the law. Best keep things encrypted. :'(
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 22, 2007, 05:13:50 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 22, 2007, 06:08:54 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 22, 2007, 06:12:22 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 22, 2007, 07:10:24 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 22, 2007, 02:55:14 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on March 22, 2007, 06:19:14 PM
Perhaps some "detective" work could explain what an ecg94 is?

The diagram points to it being a hall device...Perhaps a typo?

Moab?? GK? Pehaps the MIB edited the drawing LOL!

A real circuit and a picture will be of great assistance here.

Lindsay

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on March 22, 2007, 06:28:58 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Topguner2 on March 22, 2007, 07:17:08 PM
Here is a data sheet for the ECG94. Hope this helps.

http://www.datasheets.org.uk/specsheet.php?part=ECG94
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 22, 2007, 07:28:08 PM
Not a good way to come out of the noise forest, eh?
JDO300 and I were up till 3 am EST configuring and testing the circuit. My hall effects produced nill and JDO300 irf840s did not do anything either. But we are fully setup for this platform testing. Rest is good. We will get to the correction on this. I used GK4 and JDO300 used his 5" SM type config. That could be JO5. It is beefy. Made totally out of 18 awg stranded.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on March 22, 2007, 07:56:07 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 22, 2007, 08:13:29 PM
And that does affirm we are close.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: simonmagus on March 22, 2007, 09:26:10 PM
to me it sounds like carnivore is most likely in place at the isp of overunity.com they would be verry foolish not to do so

so i can assume that it is in place and working fine as overunity.com is 1 of the bigest sites for free energy reaserch on the net and with all the supression we have seen so far on the tpu im sure they are waching every move

william

but you know what

we will still win because the truth will find its way!!

No need to use Carnivore when they can request a database dump from the hosting provider. A database dump will likely contain all the IP and email addresses they need to track anyone. PMs should also be accessible to them since messages cannot be reliably encrypted. 

There are proxy servers members can use to hide their identity but it is not really worth all the hassle. This is another reason why  information should be open source.

Together we stand, divided we fall.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 22, 2007, 10:12:44 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 22, 2007, 11:52:56 PM
Hello GK and Maniux , JOE DIRT    in my trials I've Hooked the coils  so that they would fire off in sequence at 32000 to 36400 cycles per second and had some results on the ring coil  have you tried this type of connection ? :-\        if it glows it's to hot   thanks Mike                                                         
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 23, 2007, 09:55:41 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 23, 2007, 02:53:28 PM
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Post by: innovation_station on March 23, 2007, 03:34:59 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 23, 2007, 03:52:09 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 23, 2007, 08:57:17 PM
now what would that reason be?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 23, 2007, 10:21:32 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 23, 2007, 10:28:00 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 23, 2007, 11:15:20 PM
 @ Joe Dirt .  I kind of agree with you on the nature thing , I built the Cook Battery a long time ago and the MF collapse was and interesting affect , so when i saw this SM coil I was immediately intrigued . I was told back in the late 60's buy the aerospace guys that it would hurt my career to pursue this line of science LOl yea right .. 
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: supersam on March 24, 2007, 01:49:51 AM
to everyone,

there are alot more people watching this site than participating.  DAH!!!!! SO WHAT! NEXT!!!!!  if you don't have anything to say about the subject why don't you just not say anything at all.

i am also one of the people that deleted alot of my hypothetical scenarios for the TPU.  nobody crashed my computer or has harassed me in any way.  so any parinoid freaks out there can rest asured it won't crash your computer. 

my main point is let's get back to building the TPU instead of worrying on this page.  if you want to worry open a parinoids annonymus group on another page!!!

thanks,

sam

ps:gk you rule man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) lots of people are getting close, you can bet on that.


















 ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 02:16:31 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 02:21:13 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 24, 2007, 03:28:47 AM
@Sam!,
Isn't it fun watching history be made?

@all,
The core material is a reference to the material used in the collector loops. ;)
That wire can be wrapped around any non-metallic tube. Not really an air core.
GK4 is an Iron core only because my collector material is iron wire. Garden core?
Ahhhh the crypticity...

--giantkiller. It is the quiet ones that have the deepest of thoughts.

p.s. Am I the only one awake to be able to look into the eye of the beholder? Glad I took the red pill.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 04:32:42 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 24, 2007, 04:43:34 AM
I'm winding a new core like GK's and using Quickfields student 0.5 edition to see the flux fields . If anyone wants to try it it's a free down load . I'm just getting familiar with it has 2-d graphics ..kinda cool looking  thanks mike  @ gk are you still using the same MOFSETs as on page 1
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 04:41:19 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 04:49:11 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 24, 2007, 05:36:17 AM
I'm winding a new core like GK's and using Quickfields student 0.5 edition to see the flux fields . If anyone wants to try it it's a free down load . I'm just getting familiar with it has 2-d graphics ..kinda cool looking  thanks mike  @ gk are you still using the same MOFSETs as on page 1


Tip41s, a or b

The coils look great.

I call my latest 'Mighty little'. :D

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 02:12:18 PM
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Post by: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 02:24:08 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 24, 2007, 06:23:07 PM
his donut tpus are not round but square there is a reason for this

hey William, i dont see the point...
these things are also square arent they?

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 08:18:56 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 24, 2007, 08:38:51 PM
yes, i mean that too.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 09:01:47 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 09:09:35 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 24, 2007, 09:23:49 PM
well maybe you need to read some more to make sure you are sure...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 09:32:01 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 24, 2007, 09:38:57 PM
and exactly how did you have the square coil in mind?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 24, 2007, 10:16:50 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 25, 2007, 12:04:49 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on March 25, 2007, 12:10:45 AM
Hello All,

This discussion about square coils is definitely intriguing. If I could throw in my two cents worth, the square corners mean that you have only vertical and horizontal runs of wires in the unit. If we go back to Mr. Mark's explanation of the basic principle of operation:

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Let us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet. Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long. If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet is moved. So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more current.

Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so.
Let me give you something to think about...  If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length, even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.  If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.

If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.

So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say. So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.

OK, how does this help us? Where am I going with this?

Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.

If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.  However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.

If you know how to find the circuit potential, tune into the frequency, and you have enough short pieces of wire, you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.

Things are more complex then what I have told you but I am just trying to give you an idea of how the technology works.

Since there is a high speed rotating field inside the coil, having coils that are vertical and straight would make sense to get the most force out of the field as it cuts across the coil... But then again, there is obviously more going on than basic magnetic induction when you take into account the radiant energy effects from generating the kicks.

By the way, I attached a photo of my latest TPU below. It is wound on an empty tape roll, which is about 3 inches in diameter. the collector is five turns of speaker wire and the control windings are each 31 turns of 22 gauge solid wire (just what I had laying around). Unfortunately, I didn't cut all four of my coils precisely the same length so when I measured the resistance of each winding, there was a 20% deviation between the high and low value coil (from between 0.257 Ohms to 0.303 Ohms.) I also measured the inductance and capacitance of each coil at 1 kHz, 10 kHz, 100 kHz, and 1 MHz in case that info would be useful for tuning. I attached an Excel chart showing the values I measured. Some values I didn't get because I was using the equipment at work after hours and had to go home Also, I was using a lot of BNC cabling to rig up the hp4980A I used to take the measurements and the cables weren?t compensated so some of the measurements may be off, not sure.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 25, 2007, 03:23:45 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 25, 2007, 04:05:24 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: lancaIV on March 25, 2007, 05:03:20 AM
"black hole ring" Tetsuo Okamoto,JP11150938
"M type generator" Mitsukuni Motoshita,JP63001364

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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 25, 2007, 05:57:10 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 25, 2007, 06:49:20 AM
It's a coil!
Here's the newest addition to the ring family. Let's welcome 'Mighty Little' to the TPU fold.
I'll be giving the ankle biter its first pulse in the morning. I might have to add another outer coil if the little guy runs cold.

--giantkiller. Proud parent.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: simonmagus on March 25, 2007, 07:16:03 AM
why did sm use cork in his core?

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to reduce wear on the coils the cork works as a shock absour when the coils vibrate plus its non conductive and mag waves goes through the cork easly

The most interesting aspect I find about SM's device is its lack of an iron core. This means his device was not using stored energy and is mainly dependent on an EM field. I'm following SM's amagnetic(nonmagnetic) core design since it is verifiable from his videos along with his implementation of 2 frequencies.

Interestingly, there is a giant toroid fusion generator named the "KSTAR"  which has a vacuumed metal vessel as its core. I don't know what the vessel's alloy is made of but my theory points toward amagnetic properties (ie: aluminum or high grade stainless steel). 

KSTAR presentation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvkl_UNFpeo

Does anyone know if an iron core would interfere with a rotating EM field?

Edit: The KSTAR vacuum vessel is made of high grade 316LN stainless steel. (Stated in page 6). The use of an amagnetic core must be important!
KSTAR Source: http://w3.pppl.gov/theory/bin/PAPERS/paper2000b.pdf
SS Grades: http://www.mceproducts.com/knowledge-base/article/article-dtl.asp?id=18

Where does the 3 core toroid design come from? I notice a few users here are using it and didn't notice it in any of SM's videos.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 25, 2007, 09:58:06 AM
Hello All,

This discussion about square coils is definitely intriguing. If I could throw in my two cents worth, the square corners mean that you have only vertical and horizontal runs of wires in the unit. If we go back to Mr. Mark's explanation of the basic principle of operation:

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Let us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet. Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long. If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet is moved. So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more current.

Everyone tells us that the earth's magnetic field is measured as being too insignificant to generate any useable power, that is not so.
Let me give you something to think about...  If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short. OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length, even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.  If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.

If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch. If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire. Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.

So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it. If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say. So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.

OK, how does this help us? Where am I going with this?

Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.

If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc. If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.  However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.

If you know how to find the circuit potential, tune into the frequency, and you have enough short pieces of wire, you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.

Things are more complex then what I have told you but I am just trying to give you an idea of how the technology works.

Since there is a high speed rotating field inside the coil, having coils that are vertical and straight would make sense to get the most force out of the field as it cuts across the coil... But then again, there is obviously more going on than basic magnetic induction when you take into account the radiant energy effects from generating the kicks.

By the way, I attached a photo of my latest TPU below. It is wound on an empty tape roll, which is about 3 inches in diameter. the collector is five turns of speaker wire and the control windings are each 31 turns of 22 gauge solid wire (just what I had laying around). Unfortunately, I didn't cut all four of my coils precisely the same length so when I measured the resistance of each winding, there was a 20% deviation between the high and low value coil (from between 0.257 Ohms to 0.303 Ohms.) I also measured the inductance and capacitance of each coil at 1 kHz, 10 kHz, 100 kHz, and 1 MHz in case that info would be useful for tuning. I attached an Excel chart showing the values I measured. Some values I didn't get because I was using the equipment at work after hours and had to go home Also, I was using a lot of BNC cabling to rig up the hp4980A I used to take the measurements and the cables weren?t compensated so some of the measurements may be off, not sure.

God Bless,
Jason O

hi Jason
do you think something like this is used in the tpu?
it is also square at the top and bottom.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on March 25, 2007, 10:04:32 AM
Ok, here is my first baby tpu.

Sauron, how should I feed this little guy?

The control coils are bifilar.

Thanks Sauron for all the help and pointers.

~Dan
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 25, 2007, 10:14:18 AM
hi Jason ,GK and Dansway nice coils.
somebody mentioned the smaller tpu's need the higher driving frequency's.
so personally i think those would be harder to "tune"
but that's just a guess.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 25, 2007, 10:26:25 AM
on how to feed we can look back to find a clue.

Now to the question of the little pieces of wire
and the magnet.  I don't remember anyone anwering this
to your or Mr. Mark's satisfaction.  Let me have a go.
 When you move a magnet across a wire you generate a
current in that wire.  However, what was not iterated
is that the amount of current generated is not only a
matter of the strength of the magnet, but rather the
SPEED and distance at which that magnet is moved
across that wire.  Thus when we speak of moving the
magnet across a small piece of wire at the speed of a
gunshot, you generate a very sudden, high voltage
spike in that little piece of wire.  Conversely, if
you could move that wire crossways through even a weak
magnetic field with few flux likes, you could generate
a voltage spike.  In essence Mark is doing this in his
toroid.  He states he is running at about 5kHz.  For
four coils (like the one that is open on the cardboard
box in his garage with two lamps), he may be banging
two opposed coils simultaneously with spikes, with the
magnet forcing one direction, or he is running them
sequentially.  For the sequential version, that would
mean the "magnetic flux North" (for lack of a better
way to describe it) passes one spot in the toroid 1250
times per second.  The RPM of the flux would therefore
be AT LEAST 75,000RPM.  Can you imagine the kind of
power you might generate from Neo mgnets in an
armature near windings if you COULD rev that puppy up
to 75,000RPM?  Only this toroid has no back EMF when a
load is put on the wires.


 When we look at the earth's magnetic field, there
are some weird things to look at.  Does a high-speed
rotational flux field draw or lense or concentrate
flux lines into  a Mark device?  Maybe that is exactly
what it does.  This simply ADDS more density to the
field.  However, something else strikes me more
simply.  Mark has set up his terrific sequential
pulsed magnetic field with a small battery (who cares
if there is a battery - that point is moot when you
look at the power out) which rotates nearly twice as
fast as the bullet from a high powered rifle.  It
creates enormous numbers of flux lines crossing wires
per second.  That is key and it takes little power.
Once power is established, one could take a tiny
amount from the output and run the circuit, so again
the battery is moot.  The main thing is the device's
strange reaction to physical movement.  I attribute
this to the ENORMOUS impact of the SPEED at which the
magnetic flux moves.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 25, 2007, 10:37:16 AM
some more.

The trick here is that the magnetic flux does not go round and round
the toroid as we would think. 
It goes from one coil to the next. 
Then when a coil's field collapses, and the poles are reversed, the flux enters
that coil from the other side. 
This creates the effect or appearance of a rotational field, when in fact we are talking about a PULSED field going first from coil one to two, and between coil three and four. 
Upon collapse the direction is the same, but it goes from coil two to three
and from four to one. 
The magnets placed on top of opposing coils ensure the pulsed magnetic flux goes in one direction around the toroid.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 25, 2007, 03:38:24 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: simonmagus on March 25, 2007, 04:05:56 PM
some more.

The trick here is that the magnetic flux does not go round and round
the toroid as we would think. 
It goes from one coil to the next. 
Then when a coil's field collapses, and the poles are reversed, the flux enters
that coil from the other side. 
This creates the effect or appearance of a rotational field, when in fact we are talking about a PULSED field going first from coil one to two, and between coil three and four. 
Upon collapse the direction is the same, but it goes from coil two to three
and from four to one. 
The magnets placed on top of opposing coils ensure the pulsed magnetic flux goes in one direction around the toroid.

Although the device may not involve a true rotational field, I doubt a magnetic core would be beneficial to the process we intend to trigger. This should be evident in SM's use of wood & cork and KSTAR's toroidal fusion reactor(high grade SS 316LN is nonmagnetic & expensive!). Both devices use a rotational or semi-rotational field. Comparison between magnetic flux manipulability of nonmagnetic and magnetic cores would make an interesting experiment.

I'm still wondering where the 3 core design originated from since it is not apparent in any of SM's videos.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 25, 2007, 04:35:31 PM
if i remember correct, somebody mentioned more then one material was used in the early models.
in the open model video Steven also speaks out "the wire is very important"
so the bifilar coils can be made of diffrent materials.
pherhaps one for guiding the magnetic component and the other to carry the electric component.
but again that is just a guess.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 25, 2007, 05:03:41 PM
...so the bifilar coils can be made of diffrent materials.

gold

if the wires were made of gold, it would not fit his words "again very cheaply put togheter"
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 25, 2007, 06:42:17 PM
im calling all who  are currently working on this to come togathe as 1 and lets figure this out i myself are laquing the skills to compleatly build it alone but im a thinker and i can aid this project as i have so far but lets all work as 1 remenber there is no i in team!

william

All the necessary information to build a both types of TPUs are in this thread, Lords of the Ring. The final combinations are coming together via our collective individual views.

Speak the desires of your heart as they were so and they shall be made manifest.

--giantkiller. All the right players are in place for such a time as this.
Title: Minimalist thinking
Post by: giantkiller on March 25, 2007, 07:06:01 PM
sorry for posting this pic agin but it is nessary lets look agin at the coils
Obviously this open model is a very important learning tool. Because it shows a minimalist design model. High frequency? I don't think so. Feed on that. This model lead me to build 'Mighty Little'. Now, how's that for an answer? ;)

--giantkiller. Go to bed stupid, wake up profound. Go figure...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 25, 2007, 08:51:51 PM
...so the bifilar coils can be made of diffrent materials.

gold

if the wires were made of gold, it would not fit his words "again very cheaply put togheter"

Not the wires, the words.  ;)

HAHAHA! i had a good laugh on that one ;D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 25, 2007, 09:19:14 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 25, 2007, 09:28:16 PM
Hello TPU researchers : HERES MY THEORY IN HOW THIS WORKS.  Years ago i experimented with the Cook Battery ( patent was given in 1871 ) in looking  at SM coil design intrigued me. Looking at the primary side of the coil _ you have a copper winding in a ring laced with a steel helix winding.        The coil windings are 90 degree wrapped around this primary winding ... This winging is very important for the Tpu to function .... when the Mofset is fired from the Capacitor ,,the Field MF collapse must be strong enough to charge the 2nd capacitor. IN charging and discharging  the caps this starts a cascade effect. now whats so cool about this is we start a stair step effect in the coil ( one of natures secretes ) This makes the electrons flow at high rates in the copper ring coil producing a small electrical field (primary)> the next level we put in another ring of steel wrapped in a ring fashion on the top and bottom of the primary ring with the coils on it. thus producing a (onion)MF.. copper  wire is then wraped 90 degrees to the primary ring _ this is the secondary elictrical out put (high voltage...@ high frequency.. DANGER THIS WILL HURT YOU !!!!)...... To start the TPU a magnet is waves through the onion MF this pulls the feild 180 degrees ...when the feild springs back the colapse takes place chargeing one or both of the capcitors and the cascade takes place and stairstepping goes in to action. I write this in memory of Jim Sullivian RCA 1957  my mentor and friend from many years ago.  The future in in bits and pices of our minds , only evil and greed will misspend our childrens future. I strongly feel if we take the steps now we can change this. new technoligy will have jobs in the future as time changes . mmmmm wonder why Nippers head is 180 degrees  ;D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 25, 2007, 09:42:13 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 25, 2007, 10:08:44 PM
More on Colapsing MF coils
... We use this technoligy everyday in our lives .. the BBQ grill has a push button coil to light the burner ..the flash on cammeras..Farady flashlites ...the coil only produces an electromagnetic feild when colapased the energy can be stored and reused in a capacitor like devise.  If you want to get electrons moveing take a long pice of wire (maniux demonstrated thin in his anolagy on the 12 inch wire and magnet ) put coils at intervals on the wire in searies start energizeing and colapsing the feilds at the other end put a flash cube and wire the one side to a big sheet of aluminum foil . when the electron hit the end of the wire theres enough electricty to make the flash cube go off . in the primary  winding the electrons have to be driven in the coil to make a MF for the seconday to put out electrical mass.  ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 25, 2007, 10:36:01 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 25, 2007, 10:41:20 PM
ok just built the square coil and tested it and as i thought i ght much better results on the pluse test i reached 5.31 volts and it lasted much longer but i could only get the voltage as low as .40 i used 4 gage stranded car audio power wire and the same fine gage wire with about 200 winds only 1 coil


Very interesting. I never thought about stripping some of the audio to get the fine wire? But mine is not individually insulated though. So your windings cannot touch?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 25, 2007, 10:44:37 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on March 26, 2007, 12:12:09 AM
Hello TPU researchers : HERES MY THEORY IN HOW THIS WORKS.  Years ago i experimented with the Cook Battery ( patent was given in 1871 ) in looking  at SM coil design intrigued me. Looking at the primary side of the coil _ you have a copper winding in a ring laced with a steel helix winding.        The coil windings are 90 degree wrapped around this primary winding ... This winging is very important for the Tpu to function .... when the Mofset is fired from the Capacitor ,,the Field MF collapse must be strong enough to charge the 2nd capacitor. IN charging and discharging  the caps this starts a cascade effect. now whats so cool about this is we start a stair step effect in the coil ( one of natures secretes ) This makes the electrons flow at high rates in the copper ring coil producing a small electrical field (primary)> the next level we put in another ring of steel wrapped in a ring fashion on the top and bottom of the primary ring with the coils on it. thus producing a (onion)MF.. copper  wire is then wraped 90 degrees to the primary ring _ this is the secondary elictrical out put (high voltage...@ high frequency.. DANGER THIS WILL HURT YOU !!!!)...... To start the TPU a magnet is waves through the onion MF this pulls the feild 180 degrees ...when the feild springs back the colapse takes place chargeing one or both of the capcitors and the cascade takes place and stairstepping goes in to action. I write this in memory of Jim Sullivian RCA 1957  my mentor and friend from many years ago.  The future in in bits and pices of our minds , only evil and greed will misspend our childrens future. I strongly feel if we take the steps now we can change this. new technoligy will have jobs in the future as time changes . mmmmm wonder why Nippers head is 180 degrees  ;D

I like your explanation

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 26, 2007, 01:00:14 AM
An electric current flows thru the wire producing a magnetic field. Then the electric current goes around the circuit and flows thru the wire again producing more magnetic field. The back EMF stops the flow of current. Then the magnetic field collapses driving the electric current backwards thru the second coil going around the circuit again and again. Once again the magnetic fields builds up. The back EMF stops the flow of current, then reverses it. And we start all over again. The electricity is used over and over. The more it is used, the stronger it gets. It only stops when the circuit is broken.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 26, 2007, 01:09:35 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: FreeEnergy on March 26, 2007, 01:26:56 AM
this thing is finally making sense to me.

thanks  :D



An electric current flows thru the wire producing a magnetic field. Then the electric current goes around the circuit and flows thru the wire again producing more magnetic field. The back EMF stops the flow of current. Then the magnetic field collapses driving the electric current backwards thru the second coil going around the circuit again and again. Once again the magnetic fields builds up. The back EMF stops the flow of current, then reverses it. And we start all over again. The electricity is used over and over. The more it is used, the stronger it gets. It only stops when the circuit is broken.


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 26, 2007, 01:40:11 AM
http://my.voyager.net/~jrrandall/CookCoil.htm     read this and it will enlighten you
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 26, 2007, 01:46:22 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: Can I join in the fun?
Post by: UncleFester on March 26, 2007, 05:55:14 AM
Hi Guys. Due to some excitement from Dan and Jason I decided to start working on my coils. I plan on using a microcontroller Pic 18F series for timing of the control coils. I had some 4 guage monster cable laying around so I used it for the collector coil. I have 6, 8, 10, and 12" pipe laying around so I used the 6" ID stuff for a form.

I chose pink zip-ties because I thought that pink might be Steven's favorite color = )
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 26, 2007, 06:21:00 AM
@ maniax Thank you much thought went into that,                                                @innovation - I was looking at your pics you posted 580 (post). thats the clearest pics I've seen to date of that style TPU. if I'm correct the plastic part was from an old TV yoke striped down. and the only thing salvaged was the electro magnets. It wasn't used long because of the resonant harmonics it naturally produced. it looks like SM enhanced it with a secondary coil between the magnets and in one of the videos i noticed a toroid on the top as a signal amplifier or voltage doubler. Stick with us on this.  I'm looking at the teck parts and the mechanical part will come next. i started making primary coils today. I had some data cable i striped out in 100 foot lengths , very small copper with high grade insulation on it (fire wire). The coils are flat about a 1/4 thick and 4 inches in Dia. i didn't count the turns but used all 100 feet. will post some pics this week. I'll be testing the coils around Wednesday for EMF collapse and sequencing.      I use a light chaser box from rope lights to test the coil feilds cheep and dirty lol.  Giantkiller i hope you got some rest my minds been going into overtime ... Thanks Mike
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 26, 2007, 06:26:43 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: More TPU physics
Post by: giantkiller on March 26, 2007, 06:05:33 PM
The following link was supplied by Dan LaRochelle, thanks,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=9125003792513982191&q=dale+pond&hl=en
@ 49:30 Dale said if you hit a harmonic structure with an inharmonic the harmonic structure dissipates. I say this creates a harmonic vacuum. When you stop the interference you let the harmonics resume and this allows the collapse of the vaccum which is where the infinite energy comes from. And that is where the TPU has its receiver. It's already there.
I know this was said before:
You set 1 freq at 7.8 or a harmonic. Then you pulse with a disruptor freq, say something off resonance. When the disruptor shuts off, the 7.8 harmonics resume, closing the vacuum. That is where the energy comes from.
It is not the nuclear explosion that does the most damage but the return implosion. Male based physics says we have to impact everything to get energy. Not so according to Keely. A small disruptor in and a huge collapse in return. Then the law of assimilation takes effect, naturally across the coil.

Think. The most profound clue ever posted:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg22836.html#msg22836

Thank you Steven Mark.

--giantkiller. Infinite possibilites.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 26, 2007, 07:13:22 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 26, 2007, 08:36:39 PM
@sauron

do you think that my light puter will do the control job for testing?

i would just a soon not wreck it if i dont have to but i guess i wont know forsure until i try it a job for tommorow as i must sleep now


if its any consulation my brain hurts now but tommorow i a whole new day so mabe just mabe some progress will come out of all this


good night to all

william

only one way to find out  ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 26, 2007, 08:39:01 PM
hi Giantkiller,

i have seen many tpu's you build but i have never seen you lite a single bulb or some real power output...
may i ask how far your project is from a working device?

also, do you think this is used in a tpu?
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1872.0;attach=7567;image)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 26, 2007, 09:27:31 PM
After I got kicks on Jan 13 I got interested in what would produce kicks using other things. I also read the other posts after that others were able to get kicks with their TPUs. Of course Otto was before me with other coil type configurations. I was starting to realize that kicks were easy to get because they look like BEMF. So I started putting together coils of different ilk just to pulse them. That is when I realized stunguns were a great driving source. Noisy but useful. So now I am in conferences and am focusing on the picking up the output to feed them back. My 15" ring was fired by a stungun and shut down my computing devices. I stunned my GK4 from top cw to bottom ccw connections and blue lightning conducts around the ring from top and bottom. I stunned Mighty Little same way and same effect. Lightning jumping the ring conducting between top and bottom across the middle. So these basically are large area stun guns. I was curious if I could tranfser the stun gun output at a distance through other type spark gaps and I did using an open fuse and 2 nails in a plastic tube. I had posted that.
These experiments showed real energy but no power. I am interested in the wide range of coil configurations. The stungun is unsympathetic output. Major noise. So that will not be usable in a working TPU. Resnonance can not be reached with that kind of wide spectrum output. This experiment was pure fun. I got parts and time. The stungun, the bedini motor, the TPU all produce kicks and the output is feedback in some fashion.
I will look at the transformer specs posted.
I don't mean to create alot of noise with presentations and little or no results. I build 'em and fire them up. I am showing Mighty Little to some people and want to leave off the feedback for that then I am going to put the feedback on and jumper it for kicks, then turn it on and see what the smaller size does. The little coil was built while watching a movie from spare parts.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 26, 2007, 09:50:04 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 26, 2007, 10:18:06 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on March 26, 2007, 11:32:28 PM
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hi Jason
do you think something like this is used in the tpu?
it is also square at the top and bottom.


Hello Sauron,

I gave your question some long thought?. and then I thought some more? and the one thing that I can connect between that transformer and the TPU is the simple explanation of what a transformer does. It converts between electric and magnetic energy; something that seems to have resurfaced lately in some of the earlier discussions about the role of iron wire.

I also noticed something else in the video clips of the open TPU that seems to have eluded me earlier:

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1872.0;attach=7573;image)

If you look closely at the windings, you will find that there are shiny spots at specific intervals on the control windings of the open TPU. Assuming that ordinary red and black speaker wire was wound on the unit, the insulation isn?t normally that shiny unless a bright spotlight was shined on them. Since this didn?t make sense to me, I studied the video more and realize that there appears to be strands of bare steel wire wrapped in the gap between the windings of the speaker wire! If this assumption is in fact true, there are some serious implications by doing this. If we assume that the red wire and black wire have opposite currents flowing in them (bifilar coil), then there is a special effect that Mr. Mark may be taking advantage of. Check out my diagram below.

We know that two opposite currents flowing in adjacent wraps of wire produce a canceled magnetic field. However, we must realize that this net canceled field is observed at a distance from the coil. If we zoom down to the gap between the two conductors of speaker wire in the coil, the magnetic field is, in fact, Not zero. It adds at that point to produce a north pole that extends out of the coil at right angles to the core it is wrapped on. So if the iron wire happens to be placed in that gap, that North pole (or south pole depending on the current flow) would magnetize the iron as the pulses were fired. Now, we know that the iron will hold that pole orientation for a lot longer than the copper will once the pulse in the coil shuts off. So, my hypothesis is that the iron wire?s magnetic field will act to sustain the current flow in the bifilar coil, which is consistent with what innovation_station was seeing in his experiment. But in addition to that, since the iron wire is iron, once magnetized, it may magnetically couple with the earth?s electromagnetic field even more ?coupling with the magnetic component? to convert even more energy!

More to come?

God Bless,
Jason O

P.S. I also attached an article I wrote about making radially magnetized coils, which applies to my theory here.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on March 26, 2007, 11:33:14 PM
NOW LEAVE ME ALONE!

Don't get paranoid. Just get yourself a descent virus scanner + firewall.

AM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 26, 2007, 11:58:20 PM
Guys,

The TPU is a air core transformer and more, what do you think you get when you use more than one layer (2 or 3) the control coils will interact as transformers. Those who have their TPU's can verify that. The action we are looking for is the radiant energy and its conduction or transformation into usable power.

Capacitors are a requirement here since they can transform RE into usable power, they are our converters. The trick now is to efficiently create the circumstance in which to generate RE, thus we look to 90 degree coupling of the control coils to the collectors which can only allow RE to be received, thus these are our collectors.

The debate rages on as to what is the control coil configuration??? Two coils, three? maybe more. We know we use these coils to generate the event that creates our RE, the question I have is since it must be magnetic so then how might we increase the efficiency thus reach the OU or at least unity.

I was pondering this and was reading John Bedini's thread on Yahoo and he was talking about using super pole magnets to increase his efficiency of his window motor. He states it creates a sharp field and the magnet configuration produces a magnified output by 4 times its normal strength, he makes them using 2 magnets super glued together with their poles facing N-N or S-S. You may want to read on this latest info at the mention group.

I figure using this super pole magnet arrangement used on the control coils may help us out. Something was also mentioned about using another  magnet to perturb the super pole placing it along side the junction or plane of the magnetic field.

Any thoughts on if this would work?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 27, 2007, 12:28:12 AM
Guys,

The TPU is a air core transformer and more, what do you think you get when you use more than one layer (2 or 3) the control coils will interact as transformers. Those who have their TPU's can verify that. The action we are lookin for is the radient energy and its conduction or transofrmation into usable power.

Capacitors are a requirement here since they can transform RE into usable power, they are our converters. The trick now is to efficiently create the circumstance in which to generate RE, thus we look to 90 degree coupling of the control coils to the collectors which can only allow RE to be received, thus these are our collectors.

The debate rages on as to what is the control coil configuration??? Two coils, three? maybe more. We know we use these coils to generate the event that creates our RE, the question I have is since it must be magnetic so then how might we increase the efficiency thus reach the OU or at least unity.

I was pondering this and was reading John Bendini's thread on Yahoo and he was talking about using super pole magnets to increase his efficiency of his window motor. He states it creates a sharp field and the magnet configuration produces a magnified output by 4 times its normal strength, he makes them using 2 magnets super glued together with their poles facing N-N or S-S. You may want to read on this latest info at the mention group.

I figure using this super pole magnet arrangement used on the control coils may help us out. Something was also mentioned about using another  magnet to perturb the super pole placing it along side the junction or plane of the magnetic field.

Any thoughts on if this would work?

And the TPU/kicks would act as the dc motor in the circuit.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 27, 2007, 01:03:27 AM
Heres my toughs on the coils : have been reading about the kicks and found that interesting . The coil size is important , it depends on the size of the TPU - the coil is tuned to collapse and charge the capacitor , this means the coil is large enough to pull the electrons through the wire , but strong enough to charge the capacitor. in looking at some of the coils on the rings i feel the coil is to long.  the scenario is like the Pentium balls when one ball hits it sends the shock wave through the next three ball and the 5th ball goes in to motion (kinetic energy). in the coils being so long the magnetic Field is doing the same thing went it springs back into position a kick occurs , this is from over lapping Fields of the coil. so its bouncing back and forth trying to get its natural space back in alignment. when wrapping the coil test wrap in tight and narrow and test the capacitor that it will be used with - a big coil may be to much for the capacitor , rule of thumb is wrap the coil 20 percent over the rating , this way you know it will get a charge (with out the resistor if used) . the narrow wrap will give the other coils space for there Fields with out over lapping the critical Field. when you make the coil test the largest to energies the capacitor then start unwinding it to the minimum to energize- count the winds and then put back on the 20% you removed . just watch the over lapping Fields.   thanks Mike
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: simonmagus on March 27, 2007, 03:45:16 AM
this is compleat bs you rebooting my comp all the time and my wirless router you have played more than enough games with me im just a little nobody leave me the hell alone i have done nothing to you

Calm down, there is a likely explanation for your computer problem.

You may have a Sasser Worm infection(harmless but annoying) if you have Windows XP and have not applied Service Pack 2. To check your system info, Go to 'Start->Control Panel->System'. It should list the service pack if one is applied.

To get the lastest Windows updates go to Internet Explorer, click on 'Tools->Windows Update' and follow the prompts.

If your computer is not the only device that reboots itself , there may be an electrical problem.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 27, 2007, 04:05:55 AM
Or your running stunguns on kill mode thru large loops!
Been there done that. It ain't pretty. Thought I blew up my tax machine in season.


OBTW. I went down to the nursery and found the twins still in their nest. They are destined to graduate soon if life needs to speed up.
 :D

And right behind them are the children from the big ass cap family. They look like they could cause a disturbance with the other children. They tend to eat alot and bite when touched. ;D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 04:41:29 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 27, 2007, 05:35:44 AM
Or your running stunguns on kill mode thru large loops!
Been there done that. It ain't pretty. Thought I blew up my tax machine in season.


OBTW. I went down to the nursery and found the twins still in their nest. They are destined to graduate soon if life needs to speed up.
 :D

And right behind them are the children from the big ass cap family. They look like they could cause a disturbance with the other children. They tend to eat alot and bite when touched. ;D

gk you should have been a writer i quite enjoy your humor

what is that a pic of  i mean  where can i find what you have there it is not a sat reciver by chance?


That is out of a 17" computer monitor. My neighbor threw out 7 monitors and I snagged one.
google video: Dale Pond and watch the vids about the collapse of a vacuum and other frequency levels of energy. That will definately blow your tie back!

Sauron of Modor posted this so I thought I would investigate it. I knew I'd seen these before. And there they were in my inventory. I believe these could be the 'stands' of the open TPU if they are used. Could be the feedbacks/microphones/pickups. They have four connection points also like the mics in the SM17 pic. I'm gonna rip -n- strip them out and put them in the circuit.
I am glad you enjoy my approach. I hate to see someone not making progress into their dreams. Or their creativity hampered by noise. ;) I grew up poor with big dreams and one by one through struggle and perseverence they have come true. Kinda cool to look back and say 'Yep, not a bad path chosen'. Eh? We can probably all do the same?

Stay on board and don't worry be happy. I reccomend Handel's Pastoral Symphony or William Tell's Overature, depending where you want to go. :D

--giantkiller. Still got 4 stones left. 8)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 05:53:51 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 27, 2007, 06:07:21 AM
gk i know what poor is all about this is why i started posting some of my many inventions i have well of 50 diffrent things i have designd and i have only posted a few but in time i will post all of them for the people i figured since i dont have the money to build them  i would just give them all away for free for the people in hopes maybe some one with some money will take an intrest in my work and help build them or just build them for them selves dont know if you have seen any of my work but it does not matter im hear to help some how and i know i can do that  still reading and designing

is

Keep the best ones in your back pocket.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 06:17:58 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
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Title: The Gatekeeper
Post by: Sauron on March 27, 2007, 08:01:52 AM
Would it be possible to design a circuit which discharges a capacitor into a coil, BUT not the whole capacitor just a tini bit of the energy stored inside so it has to be a circuit which closes the loop and quickly opens it again?

and it goes by the name of "The Gatekeeper"
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 08:18:52 AM
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Title: Overunity comes from the collapse of the magnetic field.
Post by: giantkiller on March 27, 2007, 02:54:39 PM
Overunity comes from
the collapse of the magnetic field!


The term 'flyback' probably originated because the high voltage pulse that
charges the CRT capacitance is generated by the collapse of the magnetic
field
in the core of the transformer  during the short retrace period - when
the electron beam in the CRT 'flies back' to the start of a new scan line.
The flux in the core changes slowly during scan and is abruptly switched
in polarity by the HOT turning off and damper diode turning on during this
flyback or retrace period.
http://www.repairfaq.org/REPAIR/F_flytest.html#FLYTEST_006

I bet you the exploding TV had an open transformer arrangement in it and probably cheap potting material too. Today it is a wonderfully strange looking device, heavily shielded and so are the drive electronics.

B+ ------+     +----|>|-----+---o +V1  B+ ------+     +----|>|-----+---o +HV
         o )|:|( o  Scan     |                  o )|:|(   Flyback   | 
           )|:|(  Rectifier _|_                   )|:|(  Rectifier _|_
           )|:|(            ---                   )|:|(            ---
           )|:|(             |                    )|:|(             |
     _/\_  )|:|(             |              _/\_  )|:|( o           |
HOT ------+     +------------+--+      HOT ------+     +------------+--+
                               _|_                                    _|_
                                -                                      -
Step up xfrmr, diode and a cap. Hmmm, looks like a stungun. If there was a spark gap after this you can kiss your cheeks goodbye. Danger, Will Robinson!

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Flyback, stungun, retrace, bedini motor ckt all the same. Kick, collapse, kick, collapse, kick, collapse.
Feed em back, let 'em fly. Circulate them puppies. Run 'em around.
This oughta make things simple.
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Otto's jumpering shows just this. Freqs in at the bottom and circuit on top to +v. I will go back and try this. I have to rewire GK4 to this. Was gonna do this anyway. But this time the feedback connected in reverse.

b]The collapse of the wave [/b] was the overall theme of the Dale Pond google video. In the exploding TV story remember the nails flew around the room. The child was probably killed from objects behind him.
Nature abhors a vacuum. Thanks Dr. Malcolm.
Male physics is the science of expansion while female physics is the science of contraction. Don't laugh. Watch the video. We cannot be anything different than our environment. Overunity comes from the collapse of the magnetic field.
Never get between a mother and her children! :o

Sure beats the Sunday funnies, eh?

--giantkiller. 3 stones left.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 03:36:59 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 27, 2007, 06:37:25 PM
could we not do somthing like that with fets or transistors where we have a charged cap fire it quick and have a coil around the coil that we fire it into and when the current passes the second coil it turns of the transistor off b4 it can got to the end of the coil and the same on the other end


Yes
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 07:22:07 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 27, 2007, 07:41:37 PM
in the early models there was used more then one material, in the "advanced" models i believe lamp wire was used.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 07:49:16 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 07:50:35 PM
best to  crawl b4 we run
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on March 27, 2007, 08:04:39 PM
Hi innovation_station,

What you are essentially creating in that case is an electrical analog of the water hammer effect, which is that big thud you hear in loosely tied water pipes when you abruptly shut off a water faucet! Only in our case, that thud is a burst of energy from the coils :-). For those of us TPU veterans, remember this quote?

"Lets talk about the 'kick.' When the old Edison DC generators were turned on, back in the day, they released this 'kick' and killed many workers in the process. A man by the name of Tesla had seen this. He wondered how and why this 'kick' would occur. So he experimented with wire and disruptive discharges from capacitors. It was found by him that this kick could be made so powerful that it could explode wires instantly. This kick came out of the wires perpendicularly. He discharged capacitors into stout wire and through a spark gap. The key to the kick's strength and appearance was in how fast Tesla discharged the capacitors into the spark gap AND how fast Tesla STOPPED the flow of current AT the spark gap. Tesla used all types of devices to stop this flow of current, magnets, a flame, counter-rotating engines. His goals were to get the time in which the discharge is STOPPED to be much quicker. As Tesla did this he found that the perpendicular radiations, the ones from the wires, caused electrical effects to appear in wires and other copper/metal materials near the STOPPED current/discharge. These electrical effects could be made to create electrons on other wires and copper around his STOPPED current/discharge wire."

Enough Said... lets build this thing :-).

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 08:20:49 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: FreeEnergy on March 27, 2007, 10:14:22 PM
the pics of the test i did last night as i said i would post

is

how are you hooking those wires up exactly?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 27, 2007, 10:19:07 PM
Here's an additional piece of info:
The GK4 has 18awg bailing/iron wire collectors and 30awg copper controls. By winding at 90 degrees the maximum amount of material interface is met between 2 dissimilar metals.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on March 27, 2007, 10:27:12 PM
i must start collecting materials but what would reccomend for the caps? i have some small ones and varous uf but my laque of knowalge with caps and transistors is my biggest problem

is

Well, for what we want, my thought is that we want to use a somewhat high value cap (because we want to smack the coil, not oscillate with it). Also, a decent voltage wouldn't be a bad thing.

Since it seems that the coils on the open TPU are farely short, that means that it would require a small value cap (< 1 uF) to resonate with the coil. But again, it depends on the frequency that you pulse the coil with. Though, as a rough guess (based on my personal experiments alone), I always use a 1000 uF electrolytic cap that's rated for 100V. They are small and can be found in power supplies (actually the power supply caps hold more voltage). Plus, if you look at the caps in the 17 inch TPU, you can tell that they are electrolytic also.

BTW, thought I would share with you all a simple experiment I did recently with my 555 pulse circuit, the aforementioned cap, and a 1:1 toroidal transformer. First, I had the cap continuously charged from my 20V 500mA DC power supply. From there, the cap was connected through a MOSFET into the primary side of my transformer. I used my 555 circuit to switch on and off the MOSFET which dumped the cap through the transformer. The secondary side of the transformer was connected through a bridge recrifier to a high voltage cap which my DMM was measuring the voltage on.

I noticed that when I tuned the frequency of the 555 timer just right, I got about 100-200V on the cap. But after I began to play with the duty cycle, thats when the fun started. The smaller the duty cycle on my square wave, the higher and higher the voltage on the secondary would climb. At one point, I managed to get it up as high as 400V+! Keep in mind that this was a weenie little 1:1 transformer not a step up transformer. The key to this was simply the on time of the wave! Also, I noticed that the steeper the rise and fall times of the wave the better the results as well. This is consistent with what Tesla observed.

So the faster we shut the switch on and off, the more radiant energy we get.

Oh, one more thing I should mention... The shorter rise times allowed my cap to stay charged to the same voltage without using much input current to maintain it... So in other words, the shorter the pulses, the less current you need to replenish your cap... Which means that you can take some of the output and use it to top off the cap without needing to keep it tied to a power supply.

God Bless,
Jason O

P.S. Caps also like high voltage spikes :-).
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on March 27, 2007, 10:34:34 PM
Also, for the transistors... well. first of all. Don't use transistors, use MOSFETS. They don't need significant current to switch on (in the nanoamps). and as for the type you need. You want a MOSFET with the lowest gate capacitance. What this means is that the MOSFET will switch on faster when the required voltage is applied to it. The gate is essentially a capacitor, and we know that small caps charge up faster than large ones. This is the only factor that will determine how fast the MOSFET can switch on and off. Theoretically, a MOSFET has infinite rise time if you could charge it up with an infinite voltage spike. So the MOSFETs are as close to a switch as we will get as far as I understand. Also, get something that can handle at least 100V at 1A. They are cheap and readily available at RadioShack for about $2.00 each.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 10:39:03 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 27, 2007, 10:42:42 PM
the pics of the test i did last night as i said i would post

is

how are you hooking those wires up exactly?

i hooked up the wires like this

the steel welding wire to the volt meter  only 1 end the other end i touched

the speeker wire was wound bifolar and connected togather at 1 end and i touched the other i touched with my finger  and the last wire was to the volt meter so there was no connection between the steel wire and the speeker wire some how the small voltage from me went from steel to copper without any connection between

strange but it worked as you can see in the pic

is

Nice proof. And you were going to leave? I think not after this. You are now a permanent resident.
Welcome to the fray.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 27, 2007, 10:56:00 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 27, 2007, 11:06:33 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 28, 2007, 02:07:53 AM
The flyback is feedback and the feedback is the flyback.

Got it?

Johnny! Put that TPU down! You don't know where that's been! Now go wash your hands! It's winner time.

--giantkiller. Ever comical, always dead on!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on March 28, 2007, 03:16:39 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 28, 2007, 03:30:31 AM
A good read on building flybacks PDF format
Title: Aluminum!!!!
Post by: FatBird on March 28, 2007, 03:52:02 AM
Here is a VERY interesting video where the Physicist speaker claims that Aluminum has Free Energy properties.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3017194771837860523&q=William+Lyne&hl=en

He even describes how he got some major OverUnity from a house Watt-Hour Meter that uses an aluminum rotating disc inside.  Is it possible that SM used aluminum wire in any of his main coils???


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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 28, 2007, 04:05:39 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 28, 2007, 04:14:30 AM
What is up with this?
swiping magnets, transformers that match.
Stun guns connected together?
I bypassed the stun gun trigger with a TIP41 NPN tranny.
--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 28, 2007, 04:20:03 AM
Westinghouse made watt hour meters in the late 20's and early thirties that used aluminum disc's and magnets , they found out that it was giving there electricity away because of line wattage from ground was being used and pulled and scraped all the meters but funny the same mechanism is being used today to read watts used....oppps we got hosed again          mmm no wonders they called it the Great Depression
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 28, 2007, 05:08:44 AM
I found a saturated core model schamatic for flybacks..   http://www.beigebag.com/case_xfrmer_3.htm      now this is interesting now the air gap figures have to be calculated .... GK the pic you posted on the Blue water ring i have a rubber boot that looks just like that ....... >>>>> go west my son theres gold in them hills , hey pop you benn drinken that moonshine again .....
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 28, 2007, 05:33:14 AM
sorry the link on how to build a flyback is here>       http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1024.pdf       GK you had twins   whats there names ....have a cigar..... ;D     
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 28, 2007, 06:00:23 AM
sorry the link on how to build a flyback is here>       http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1024.pdf       GK you had twins   whats there names ....have a cigar..... ;D     

Well their cousins are screaming in another state as we speak.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 28, 2007, 06:15:56 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 28, 2007, 01:08:39 PM
Welcome back my friends to the show that never ends,
we're so glad you could attend,
come inside, come inside...

Come inside the shows about to start,
guaranteed to blow your head apart!!!

What is up with this?
swiping magnets, transformers that match.
Stun guns connected together?
I bypassed the stun gun trigger with a TIP41 NPN tranny.

--giantkiller.

I looped the stun gun output back to the tranny base, triggered it and what do you think happened? You are correct. I had a triggered loop! The stun gun fired itself then blew. No surprise here, right? It gets better.
The stungun works off of a 9volt battery. I can now drive the stungun with a 555 timer or better yet I can drive a TPU with a 9volt battery. Amazing. Read on...

The stun gun represents a segment in each layer of the TPU. We just happen to have 4.
Now lets replace each stun gun with the flyback circuit I posted earlier:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg26692.html#msg26692
One fires the next. Let's call them cannon balls. Everybody with me here?
String theses components in a loop and you have a cyclical cavitation chamber. Cavitation as described by Dale Pond. This can get very large. To start this infinite loop we use a Bedini magnet pickup on one of the trigger inputs to catch the magnet swiping. This component can be placed in any of the trigger inputs in the loop. We only need one.
The tuning comes in as a delay component to keep the triggering in sync with the impedance of each control coil. You want the collapse to be free and clear of any interference. <50% duty cycle has been what we have found best in producing kicks. Dudes! Surfs up and we caught the big wave!

The collectors are iron wire which creates the core for each segment. The layers rest on an air core. The picture shows four vertical collectors per layer. These are really connected together horizontally in each layer to form a single path of conduction. Everybody with me here?

Caveat: More and better details are forth coming from other sources. I wanted to clear up any miscommunication from the previous posts. Did not mean to sound cryptic. The team work was being done as I posted.
Once again, all the kick and trigger circuits look the same. Diode-cap-coil, diode-cap-coil. There is always a voltage multiplier present. Stun gun, flyback, Bedini motor circuits equal kicks which are the precursor to cavitation.
JDO300 got some beautifully huge spikes and ringing on the back end of a square pulse the other night. This equates to more cavitation. The current circuit kept running while the input current and voltage disappeared from the meters. Can you OU? I can! Man, We are psyched! diode-cap-coil, diode-cap-coil, diode-cap-coil, diode-cap-coil.
The TPUs are handheld, open flyback transformers / cavitation chambers. We got to be out of our minds! The exploding/imploding tv is a random Hutchison effect event. The results are the same, no? Think how big the cavitaion event was at the Philadelphia experiment. Everything is now possible.

Things are moving fast. We will be finished by 20070415. You can bet on it.

For the team and to the team: All for one and one for all!

--giantkiller. Hence the name.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on March 28, 2007, 04:28:26 PM
Hi everyone,

Yes, GK, rosphere, and I were up last night doing some ?proof of principle? experiments to prove some of the basics for the control circuit. I will create a nice circuit diagram of the setup along with scope shots and data to post later tonight when I get home from work.

GK and all: There is one important detail about that small monitor transformer that we all missed. Notice that it has four coils wound on it, not two? Not sure what this means? Here?s something to jog your memory:

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I originally got the idea from electron circuits which use vacuum rectifiers like the 5U4 GB or 5AR4 etc.  The plate has a high voltage potential with lots of usable power available. You can?t get to it or use it for anything without applying a heating voltage to the cathode or what is the cathode potential of the tube. So, you put in a small voltage of 5 volts AC 60 Hz which heats up the cathode and welcomes the electron stream from the plate (actually the other way around, but not important for this example of my thoughts). Now the high voltage power goes through the cathode and travels through the coils of the 5 volt transformer along with the 5 volt AC. If the plate voltage is not rectified then it is AC with a potential 60 Hz frequency. That combines with the 5 volt 60 Hz in the coil of the heater transformer and generally amounts to nothing. In fact the power of the 5 volt transformer amounts to nothing. It is an insignificant power supply except when the two transformers get slightly out of phase with each other, or when they are connected in reverse of one another, you can measure all kinds of things going on. You can generate all kinds of hash and multiple frequencies, and I do mean all kinds. What I measured during this process was very interesting. All these frequencies occasionally met at the same time with a much larger kick at the output.

Check out the diagram below. This isn't my completed idea but build this, measure across the resistor, and see what the output looks like... Just as Mr. Mark said, it can be very revealing...

More to come?

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 28, 2007, 04:52:14 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on March 28, 2007, 06:03:46 PM
Hello All,

I should make a correction about that circuit diagram I posted. According to GK, the small transformers he pulled from his monitor only have four leads coming out, so the two coils are attached internally. Not to say that this applies to all the transformers that look like his but just something to look out for.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 28, 2007, 06:27:51 PM
yes well those are very easy to unwrap and rewrap etc...
it's also very easy to remove the core.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 28, 2007, 06:35:45 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 28, 2007, 06:43:24 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 28, 2007, 06:49:20 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 28, 2007, 06:49:55 PM
the question would be why?   humm back to the thinking chair

well, suppose you have more then one.
then you could also stack them....

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 28, 2007, 06:55:05 PM
the example about moving the magnet across a wire was nice.
the explenation about the speed being important was very nice too.

but i still did not hear anybody talk about the number of magnets...

suppose you could have 15 magnets flying across the same wire ,faster than the speed of a gunshot, what would happen?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 28, 2007, 06:56:46 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 28, 2007, 06:59:08 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 28, 2007, 07:12:59 PM
No, the field would just merge to one magnet unless the fields are opposite.
lets read some of Stevens words again,

Let us say that you have a magnetic field perhaps it is only a small permanent magnet.
Now, you have a single copper wire twelve inches long.
If you move the magnet across the surface of the wire from left to right at a certain speed you create an electron flow which is DC and it has a power potential based on how strong the field is and how fast the magnet if moved.
So, if you increase the size of the magnet or the speed it moves you create a larger flow of electrons, larger as in higher voltage or more currant.

If you had a short wire and you moved a magnet across it you would always have limited potential because the length of wire was so short.
OK now what if we increase the length of the wire to many miles in length even with a very weak magnetic field moving across the wire you still have a much greater potential flow of power available.
If we put it into a perspective of power per inch it may be easier to understand.
If you have a small magnetic field moving across a wire twelve inches long it can generate an electron flow equal to lets say one millivolt per inch.
If you move the magnet twelve inches at the same speed you get 12 millivolts as you transgress the twelve inches of wire.
Understand that I am trying to convey a principal that you can understand for use in the future.
So, you have a wire twelve inches long and you can make 12 millivolts moving a magnet across it.
If you have a wire 1000 feet long and you move the same small magnetic field across the length of it you can create much more voltage potential perhaps 12,000 millivolts lets say.
So, you have managed to generate a significant amount of electric power with a weak magnetic force.
OK, how does this help us? where am I going with this?
Suppose you have 1,000 pieces of wire twelve inches long and you run the same weak magnetic field over them all at the same time..... you get the same flow of electrons.
If the wires are run in series then you will get the 12,000 millivolts etc.
If you connect the wires in parallel you will get higher current but lower voltage.
However, the power potential is the same whether you run the wires in series or parallel.
If you know how to find the circuit potential, you tune into the frequency and you have enough short pieces of wire you can convert as much power as you wish in a given space.
you would be fascinated with the amount of renewable energy you can extract from a permanent magnet!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 28, 2007, 07:35:20 PM
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Post by: innovation_station on March 28, 2007, 08:03:03 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on March 28, 2007, 10:19:32 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on March 28, 2007, 10:27:04 PM
Me make my own tpu...

Don't need your stinkin' smashed parts....!

 ::)

~D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 28, 2007, 10:58:48 PM
if you want to do it like i do, you need to smash a lot of monitors  :D
these are for one ring and i am going to do 3
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 29, 2007, 12:01:14 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 29, 2007, 12:27:32 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on March 29, 2007, 12:35:43 AM
Hi all,

Great direction, The step method certainly assures us of coherent rotation, and dictates the direction.something that I have found hard to do with free running , unsychronised oscillators.

swithcing speed could be a challenge

The seike oscillator has some similarities.

Lindsay


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 29, 2007, 01:40:15 AM
Ok.
Here is a primer TPU 101.
Our toroids produce kicks. The backside of a kick is the field collapse. That is where the energy comes from. We are currently trying to harvest that. Then use a portion of that to feedback into the input to produce another kick. And on infinatum. Plain and simple. It like facing a microphone into a speaker. Something is going to blow without some sort of control. We have been at this for months and we have breakthroughs.

Now return to your seat for departure.

--giantkiller. Remain calm at all times to see clearly.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 29, 2007, 01:57:02 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 29, 2007, 04:22:23 AM
@IS
I understand your directions and points well made. Right now we are going in cheap, small and dirty(And this really is no joke! Paper rolls, pop bottles and duct tape). The tune up and showboat specs can come later. It doesnt hurt to keep the steps small. They have been very fast coming since I got the kicks. Alot of people have posted tremendous facts and information. Everything has gotten alot of attention worldwide and all of us fit in at a perfect place. As long as you posted you specs or desires they can be taken into consideration. Believe me. I have followed everything here and before. And what I had posted came true. Yours will too. This is a great adventure.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 29, 2007, 04:52:59 AM
I am relaying for Moab:
Kicks are only half the equaision. the collapsing field is the key to resonant rise. this is what ya want to see. kicks dint mean diddly without the right colapsing field. think T Coil, think inductance. think resonance. you will need all three to achieve it IMHO. glad to see the flyback coil make an apperience. Now ask yourself why did Tesla build the Tesla coil in the first place! :

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 29, 2007, 05:17:06 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 29, 2007, 08:03:55 AM
Hi all,

Great direction, The step method certainly assures us of coherent rotation, and dictates the direction.something that I have found hard to do with free running , unsychronised oscillators.

swithcing speed could be a challenge

The seike oscillator has some similarities.

Lindsay




The seike oscillator is limited compared to the gatekeeper circuit.
however i think it's a good start.
maybe we can tweak the circuit.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on March 29, 2007, 08:38:26 AM
Hi all,

Great direction, The step method certainly assures us of coherent rotation, and dictates the direction.something that I have found hard to do with free running , unsychronised oscillators.

swithcing speed could be a challenge

The seike oscillator has some similarities.

Lindsay




The seike oscillator is limited compared to the gatekeeper circuit.
however i think it's a good start.
maybe we can tweak the circuit.

Hi Sauron,

I've been experimenting with my 555 pulse circuit's duty cycle to get my pulse capacitor to loose as little a charge as possible on each spike. I am making some progress but I wanted to clarify what the Gatekeeper circuit actually consists of. Is it the reference to US Patent 7162410 that someone mentioned earlier or is there a much simpler way to accomplish this?

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 29, 2007, 02:00:24 PM
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Title: Stats on Films.
Post by: FatBird on March 29, 2007, 02:30:01 PM
I re-watched SM's 9 minute Video & his 38 Minute video & wrote down all of the TPU stats that he mentioned.  Maybe this will help us get some more clues as to NUMBER of LEVELS, FREQUENCIES, DIMENSIONS, etc?  For example, can 3 or 4 Levels really fit into a TOTAL HEIGHT of only 2 inches?  Personally, I don't think so.

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12 Ounce OPEN COIL.

OD = 6 inches.
Height = 2 inches.
Thickness = 1 inch.
Output = 186V @ 5 Amps.  7 Amps with a Heat Sink.

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Small 1 Pounder, OPEN COIL.  Took Magnet from his pocket.

OD = 4 inches.
Height = 1 3/4 inches.
Output = 100V @ 1 Amp.  7.3 Hz & 5 KHz.

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Small Open Coil, 1 1/2  Pounder:

OD = 6 inches.
Height = 2 inches.
Thickness = 3/4 inches.
Output = 120V @ 5 Amps.  7.3 Hz & 5 KHz.

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Large 17" Open Coil.

OD = 17 inches.
Height = 3 inches.
Thickness =
Output = 830V @ 10 Amps.

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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 29, 2007, 02:50:08 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 29, 2007, 03:31:44 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 29, 2007, 06:02:29 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 29, 2007, 08:14:02 PM
@IS
I understand your directions and points well made. Right now we are going in cheap, small and dirty(And this really is no joke! Paper rolls, pop bottles and duct tape). The tune up and showboat specs can come later. It doesnt hurt to keep the steps small. They have been very fast coming since I got the kicks. Alot of people have posted tremendous facts and information. Everything has gotten alot of attention worldwide and all of us fit in at a perfect place. As long as you posted you specs or desires they can be taken into consideration. Believe me. I have followed everything here and before. And what I had posted came true. Yours will too. This is a great adventure.

--giantkiller.

about the cheep small dirty

how will you achive the proper operation of this unit in my opinoin with out proper coils?

the entire unit is cheep small dirty

have you not been trying for 1.5 years now with the 3 rings with a laque of good results?

is


The proper operation will be a later step. We still run under a power source.

This step is the tuning step.

No Sir. I have only been on this section of the project for 90 days. I have been on this site and others since Sept 2006.

Now what I would like show here is a model of the pulse timimg.
The red spikes are the pulses / kicks. The yellow cylinders are the control coils. The green line is the collector.
What is shown here is where the pulses hit when the frequency is a 4:1 match with the length of the collector which equates to the circumference, hence the diameter. Harmonics can also be used to circumnavigate around the ring to the step of 1/5, 1/9, 1/13, 1/17 to get a pulse at the next control coil with a slower and slower frequency. This is important. That frequency chosen has got to be in resonance with the control coil specifications. The freqency chosen has also got be slower than the collapse of the field. This would allow the cavitation energy spoken about by Dale Pond. This action also gives the operation a rotational sequencing using 1 frequency.

RFC.

--giantkiller. In a nutshell.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 30, 2007, 12:32:34 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 30, 2007, 12:49:39 AM
heres a thought-  in looking back t what SM started with a flyback transformer from an old TV set. So i been studying the construction of these and see the air gap is what makes them unique as this type of transformer. The air gap is what holds the energy that boosts the power up. I believe that the 4 magnets is just a containment Field that holds the electron Field in place so there just not flying all over the place and migrating. The steel garden wire i believe is the armature of the torrid devise and the primary winding would be a large size copper wire say 12AGW and the Primary a much smaller wire say 30 AGW. the another unique thing about the fly back is in order for it to work only one coil at a time needs to be energized ( the primary or secondary), now in most flybacks thees a 3 coil - the bias coil, this coil is there to control the spike that the secondary or the Primary coil gives off when the electricity is removed and the Field collapses amid produces the EMF, This EMF energy is sucked up in the air gap and is boosting the output of the transformer. The 4 magnets hold the EMF electrons on this air gap - more electron in the air gap = more power. also the bias coil tunes the flyback -reajusting the bias using the royer circuit will boost the whole mechanism.      In the cook coil patent it shows the coils and how that operate but what it doest show (intellectual property) i believe is the switching mechanism. This circuit operates the coil output and starts the coils. In the Hubbard patents the 8 coils on the outside of the main coil is a containment Field for the electron in the air gap. i believe in the cook coil the switching patent is in a separate patent -i haven't searched for it as the technology may be moot with the newer switching devises we have today. On the primary coil were working on- the primary ring winding has 4 coils wraped 90 degrees , energizeing and denergizeing these create a EMF field that inturn keep the flow of electrons flowing around the ring. The secondary has no coils around it but in turn when the feild is colaped and the primary coil is in the off mode the secondary kicks on (spike) this energy is sucked up in the air gap as electrons to be used as electrical energy output. just something to ponder  Thanks Mike  :o
on off on off on off on off on off on off
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 30, 2007, 03:32:32 AM
@ Inovation : did you study the link i left on page 67 ( International rectafier ) PDF file on designing flaybacks .  A must read  here it is again  http://www.irf.com/technical-info/appnotes/an-1024.pdf   notice the section on the bias coil and take into cosideration on noise and capacitance. and why toriods are not sutable for this type transformer. .. Thanks Mike
run eddy electron run <  :o
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 30, 2007, 04:41:23 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on March 30, 2007, 04:58:17 AM
@ Innovation ...no i didn't misunderstand LOL ..I feel that is a possability too- some one needs to look that direction in this reasearch , glad you are looking into it. I'm building what i call my big washer TPU 4 in in dai. 2 primarys and 2 secondarys 15mm air gap 4 small magnets in gap. going to try cycleing the primarys to flux the capacitors into life. Then try the secondarys no coils just the bias . thanks Mike
pull the leaver egor
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 30, 2007, 05:10:50 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: UncleFester on March 30, 2007, 06:34:58 AM
Folks, this should not be this difficult. I mean, magnets, high voltage flybacks? Square coils? exotic or dissimilar metals? This can all be done if you want to spend the next decade working on this thing. But if you extrapolate the information from all the players here it is clear that none of that is needed.

The culmination of 60+ posts is:

Physical:

1 coil of copper of 3-10 turns 3" to 7" diameter of guage 12 to 4 wire or tubing.

4 control coils wound 90 degrees to collector coil and 90 degrees in circumference to each other. 30 to 18 guage wire.

Electronics:

It's clear now that all this needs is a circular CCW pulsing system controlling the four coils. Using NPN transistors or mosfets with decent timing in between each coil firing. 300mA or less per firing at 5VDC. Timing done so that the collector doesn't stay in complete saturation but rather has clear pauses between each coil firing. This being air core means that even 5Khz is slow compared to what the air core could handle, but sufficient for creating the effect. LC resonance? I don't think it's needed. If the extra amplification is desired then it's easily obtained by slightly increasing power levels to the control coils, or adding a calculated capacitance to create an LC tank.

See attached simple pulsing circuit to get the idea. This is where I am working. The second circuit I am building will be a microcontroller based system where more precise timing can be achieved, but I honestly don't think it's needed.

Flow with the microcontroller would look like the following:

Automatic mode:
1. pulse coils 1-4 and check collector coil output via AD converter.
2. Continue to increase frequency as coils 1-4 are fired.
3. Record collector output power levels and continue until maximum voltage is recorded.
4. Once highest possible voltage has been found, check temperature of collector coil via AD converter. If heat levels are higher than ~150F then decrease frequency until heat level drops, sampling every 1mS.
5. Post temperature, voltage, and frequency to LCD screen.

Maybe I've missed something but it just doesn't seem like it needs to be changed six different ways to sunday in order to get it to work. When I say work I mean produce 2x the input. Even this would be miraculous to an engineer but it's clear from the videos and information that it should be easily possible with this configuration.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: UncleFester on March 30, 2007, 06:41:28 AM
In the above schematic the system works as follows:

Function gen fires coil one. Coil one has a feedback winding of 3-5 turns. This feedback fires NPN trans on coil 2, thereby firing control coil 2. Coil 2 has a feedback same as coil 1 that fires NPN trans on coil 3, and the cascade effect continues.

Frequency from the generator controls saturation of the field and thus the magnetic wave that encircles the collector coil. Frequency is changed manually until highest voltage on collector is obtained. Frequency is recorded and the freq gen is swapped out with 555 timer or some other form of pulse train circuitry that is then fixed at the optimum frequency for the given coil.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 30, 2007, 07:22:19 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: UncleFester on March 30, 2007, 07:38:25 AM
Getting set up to build. Circuit should take 8 hours or so to build and tune. Would be nice to see what results have been found by others in order to minimize time wasted.

Microcontroller based system will only be built if first circuit shows a small but measurable output on collector coil.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on March 30, 2007, 07:48:41 AM
Hello UF,

if you use 2N2222 transistors I hope you have a lot of them.

Otto
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: pese on March 30, 2007, 08:00:08 AM
Getting set up to build. Circuit should take 8 hours or so to build and tune. Would be nice to see what results have been found by others in order to minimize time wasted.

Microcontroller based system will only be built if first circuit shows a small but measurable output on collector coil.

@uncclefester

q1  must als have resistors as R1/R4  (Base-Volt-Divider-resistors.

@ otto

in europe BC 337  do the same.

Pese
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 30, 2007, 03:53:13 PM
@UncleFester,

Instead of the signal generator approach why not try using an external magnet to trigger the process?, configure the feedback & control loops to be circular (self triggering, by adding another feedback coil) and use the magnet to start it, the coils would then tend to oscillate at their natural frequency(ies). No circuit tunning necessary since the coils would self align to their sweet spot. The only consideration would be the coils length to tune, Just a thought.

This is the direction I am working on at the moment, self resonance.

I forgot to mention, use a variable resistor in the base divider circuits to tune the sensitivity of the triggers and a diode on the control coils to protect the transistors from the BEMF spikes.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 30, 2007, 04:34:17 PM
One other thing I feel is important is that the drive circuit should be able to run using a 9Vdc battery so this provides us a current and voltage limit for the operation. So this would mean our current source would be less than 800mA, therefore our circuit must be designed with these limits in mind.

After a working model is determined we can then look at closing the power loop to self power after startup.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on March 30, 2007, 06:06:43 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: UncleFester on March 30, 2007, 07:46:04 PM
Hi guys,

Thanks for the input. The schematic was simply an example. I will be using TIP120 or 3055 transistors. The reason I was going to use an external pulse generator was that I wanted control over the timing. It was said by SM that the coils could overheat quickly if not DE-TUNED. Apparently once the optimum frequency is reached the collector could be overloaded. I was simply trying to avoid that by having external controls.

Protection diodes etc were left out because I was trying to quickly draw up a simple circuit.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on March 30, 2007, 10:07:03 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on March 30, 2007, 11:36:43 PM
Just food for thought, that's all

Looking good Rosphere, time to power her up eh??
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 31, 2007, 12:02:17 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 31, 2007, 12:34:15 AM
Hi guys,

Thanks for the input. The schematic was simply an example. I will be using TIP120 or 3055 transistors. The reason I was going to use an external pulse generator was that I wanted control over the timing. It was said by SM that the coils could overheat quickly if not DE-TUNED. Apparently once the optimum frequency is reached the collector could be overloaded. I was simply trying to avoid that by having external controls.

Protection diodes etc were left out because I was trying to quickly draw up a simple circuit.

With the 555 addition you could put a feedback coil / tranny on coil L4 and trigger the 555. The duty cycle will control the runaway. The ratio will be interesting to see. You could also add a small buck/boost and crowbar that output with an SCR into the power supply. That way the 9vbat is excluded after ramp up. SCR stays on till power dropped. Add a thermal circuit to the 555 trigger acceptance and you'll shut down on overheat.
Good for a start, eh? I have most of this circuit up in my controller so this weekend I can test. No crowbar or thermal, though. But easy to add.
So, what if the TPU bucking is the ramp on and off cycling due to runaway control?

@IS,
I am interested if you posted specs of your coil that gets those voltages. I am truely interested. I get great kicks but no useable power as of yet.
Thanks.

On another note:
I have to replace the heater core in my truck. You know, just under the dash on the passenger side? Used to be you just layed down, undid a few screws, remove the case lid, replace the core, put it all back together and your done.
Not Any MORE! Now you have to lift the dashboard!
We gotta put these bastards outta business.
In the new paradygm the TPU gives everything.

--giantkiller. Less noise, more power is a good thing.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 31, 2007, 12:42:39 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 31, 2007, 12:49:37 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 31, 2007, 12:57:29 AM
@ gk

 hear is a pic of my coil  i put 5v in and on the kick back it peeks my meter on all settings 1000v dc and 750v ac


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 31, 2007, 12:57:50 AM
5v input well over a 1000 volt output

Very cool!
If I may simplifiy this.

Collector: 5 turns of 12awg solid
Controller: x turns of 26awg solid
feedback: x turns of 18awg

Correct or close? Close is still good...

Light bulb go poof...

You need to put up an avatar.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 31, 2007, 01:18:22 AM
@ gk

the light buld did not evean light i tryed a 110v ac bulb


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on March 31, 2007, 01:56:34 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 31, 2007, 03:45:16 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on March 31, 2007, 06:08:01 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 31, 2007, 02:05:50 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on March 31, 2007, 02:49:25 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 31, 2007, 07:09:54 PM
Hello,
I am pursuing Uncle Fester's ckt. It is a minor change for my 8 channel motor controller. Plus I have a broken copper run on the one of the boards to fix.
I am going to take a slightly different approach with this. With a quad phase control I don't need the wire for the feedback pulse circuit to the next coil segment(I can do that later). That is where my motor control circuit will sequentially run through the controller coils one at a time. I can also vary the duty cycle and keep it less than <50 percent. And guess what? No runaway. That is your safety tip for the day. UF's ckt can't runaway either because the 4th segment has no feedback coil to trigger the 1st control coil. Pretty smart, dude!

This operation will perform the rotating field that seems to be so desired.
I have the GK4 totally stripped down (Empty terminal connections. Can't show pics, nudity not allowed) and connected per UF's schematic.
I am also going to try putting a dc bias on the collector to a enable a one way path. This is to see if the Radiant Energy can be swept in one direction instead of spattering all over the place. Just a try.

I have supplied the motor controller circuit schem. There are 8 outputs of the 74139, a 2 to 4 line decoder. Just duplicate the coil driver on the Q1A line.
The duty cycle is controlled by a 555 one shot to the enable. This new addition is not on the schematic. The one shot is triggered by the rising pulse of the main 555 astable. The max frequency for any given channel is 250khz.
The beauty of this circuit is it can drive 2 TPUs of any collector layer count and any direction. Even opposing. Hmmm?

And that's today's lesson with Mr. Wizard. I've had the flyback flu for 7 days now. Things were going slow. Maybe I can catch up.

--giantkiller. Patience is how we earn our keep.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on March 31, 2007, 08:43:12 PM
Carmen sent this to me and I am posting for her here:
Kicks again!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTdUBSz-9Qo

The facts in the common conversation are amazing and very revealing.
Mr. Muller stated that:
Iron core equals current and air core equals voltage.
Small magnets equal voltage, large magnets equal current.
One side of the rotor was positive and the other was negative.

They used a clamp on ampmeter.
More magnetic shearing effect. Bedini devices do too.

More to come.

--giantkiller. http://www.mullerpower.com

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: supersam on March 31, 2007, 10:23:54 PM
hey GK,

how about the, battery to inverter, to toroid, to secondary, split!  try this half the output back to the battery to charge it,and half to a device.  maybe keeping the pendulum running in the Milkovic dual oscilating pendulum???

lol,
sam
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on March 31, 2007, 11:32:24 PM

I forgot to mention, use a variable resistor in the base divider circuits to tune the sensitivity of the triggers and a diode on the control coils to protect the transistors from the BEMF spikes.


hi there starcruiser,
this is the problem, we are doing this in all circuits all the time.
destroying unwanted energy.....
who knows what can be done whith them...............
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 01, 2007, 02:12:09 AM
hi there starcruiser,
this is the problem, we are doing this in all circuits all the time.
destroying unwanted energy.....
who knows what can be done whith them...............

How about capturing the spikes and using them to recharge the pulse cap...

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on April 01, 2007, 08:58:51 AM
sounds intresting!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 01, 2007, 03:16:17 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 01, 2007, 06:05:34 PM
i have returned altho my  posts will not  verry little good info in them anyways

helping to clean up the thred so new people dont have to read a bunch of garbage

about what i had was nothing special i put 5v in and on the kick back it peeked my meter that is all altho the way it was  wired  seams to be the only way i get those big kicks and only with the use of a steel wire it has a verry strong mag feild for what was in volved  the mag feild acts with my magnet up to 14" away from the unit

so i was thinking that in sted of 1 long wire i should have many short ones to lower the voltage and up the current and square is important from what i found but so i have seen it is a game of trial and error but it will not be long and we will crack it

and i m still trying new things

is

You are correct in your post here. You have kicks. Just attach a pulse train to tranny drivers to the coil and put it on a scope. if you can't do that then you can't see what lies in the operation of the events to progress any further. Without the ability to see that, your errors from unnecessary trails will consume your life.

--giantkiller.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 02, 2007, 02:56:19 AM
Guys,

I was working on my super pole control coil TPU concept this afternoon and got some interesting output. I was putting in approx 12vdc, this was pulsed using a circuit from the Bedini window motor experiement. The trigger at this point was an audio generator but will be replaced with a feedback/trigger coil to see if I can self run the oscillation.

The control coils are currently wired to provide a super pole arrangement, i.e. North pole to North pole, all coils are connected in series on a layer and all layers are series connected to each other.

The control coils are wound using 170 turns of 32ga magnet wire (RH rule). The collectors are 15 turns 16ga stranded (single wire). All control coils are lined up to match the coil polarities in the TPU.

The output on the collectors was 4.5v P-P and this was after I ran the collectors in a series connected arrangement. It was additive! It should be noted that un-rectified waveform output was more positive than negative. I then rectified the output and got a ramp wave that had a positive offset from 0, approx .7v and had a peak to peak value of roughly 2+ v above that.

So far these results are showing promise and I am thinking I am needing to increase the control coils turns to increase the magnetic field thus improve the super pole effect. So it is off to wind a new TPU.

One other interesting note, I placed a neo magnet next to the junction of two coils and this caused a high pitched oscillation in the control coils, the polarity of the magnet did not seem to make much difference in the waveform output at this time, but the strong field from the magnet is causing an effect. I also tried this with a regular ferrite magnet from radio shack (the rectangular one) and got the same affect but not quite as pronounced. I am wondering if the addition of a strong magnetic field may help the current production in the output but I will not be able to tell until the new control coils are wound and tested first.

I will post more info after I construct the new TPU with the enhanced control coils to strengthen the super pole fields.

I though I would share this info in the event it may help someone else.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 02, 2007, 04:07:37 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 02, 2007, 04:11:26 AM
@starcruiser,
Yes. I had put neo buzzmags inside mine and they amplified the vibrations.
The neos are a great tool to use.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: sevikbel on April 02, 2007, 06:19:13 AM
@starcruiser,
Yes. I had put neo buzzmags inside mine and they amplified the vibrations.
The neos are a great tool to use.

--giantkiller.


Look it...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 02, 2007, 07:01:44 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 02, 2007, 04:58:08 PM
good luck to all working on this


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 02, 2007, 07:13:56 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 03, 2007, 12:05:53 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 03, 2007, 01:59:57 AM
@IS,

I can understand your frustration, I, like Giantkiller, have been following this saga for over a year, at first I just read and researched, then when I felt I had enough of sitting on the sidelines I jumped in, some others had to wait until they had the resources (parts or test equipment). So do no let this go by if it really interests you just start out by reading and researching and then start discussing with the rest of us. Please note that some do not read all of the SM thread which can help answer some questions and stop you from presenting something that we already have covered.

The last thing I want to do (and I am sure others as well) is to mislead anyone working on their own TPU. It should be recognized that SM has provided us insights and clues to his units actual operation, but due to other constraints he cannot outright give us the design. So as a result of this we are acting like detectives to sort it out and learn as we go.

Now in regards to your statement regarding the collectors;

The running of the power thru the core/collector is similar to the negative inductor or Genesis project (I believe you posted on this prior) which we have investigated and I have tried with no real output. It is possible that I may have constructed it in correctly but???

What I find interesting is some of SM's comments regarding neutralizing the magnetic field, this is similar to a project that JL naudlin has done back in 1997 I think it was. Which speaks to orientation of the copper wire to a magnetic field (90 degree coupling) in which the flux is neutralized, not directly acting onthe wire and yet current flows (is induced) in the wire.

Another is the thread on the Phonon which speaks to crystalline structures and HV fields. So as you can see we pull insiration from many sources to understand that which is yet unknown to us.

So as a result all of us who are working on these TPU's are trying several directions to narrow the possibilities and get us all to the promised land.


I have been reading all types of materials for inspiration and trying various experiments (as should we all) to understand the effect. I am currently pursuing the super pole magnet direction to see if the sharp field gradient will provide any results. This is why I posted something in relation to that, in order to share this knowledge with others that may already have a TPU built that can try this and see if they can get the same results.

For sure this is a project that requires more test equipment than some may have, the minimum required to work on this device is a decent Oscilloscope 30 to 50 Mhz BW, several DVM's and/or multimeter's and an inductance meter and other various tools.

If you have some insight please share it but don't expect an immediate response, it takes time for us to review, absorb and implement/experiment to validate. Beyond that we all have day jobs and we are spread out across the globe so that being said this slows our response time.

So if this post doesn't put you off (not meaning to), hang around and read the threads (here and elsewhere) and pretty soon you will be right there with us working on a TPU and who knows you may solve this puzzle!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 03, 2007, 02:44:51 AM
@Starcruiser,
Amen Brother,
After agonizing over a response myself, I couldn't have come with a better one.

@IS and All,
I left my initial posts intact in other threads when I first started in on this. Needless to say I misjudged the audience and look back in total embarrassment at some of the things I said. But we grow.

Fustration is not a meal we should consume or let consume us. I got past that due to investigating and achieving results. Patience is the meal before dessert.

@IS,
I know you can't chew your leg off and get away that easy. I was impressed with the coil you posted. That is enough to put you in the kicks club. It just has to be validated somehow, like a scope shot or diagram even with unknown values. But I do know this: a lot of small wire wrapped many times around a large one will achieve kicks. It is the simplest circuit. My 130v kicks produced a 2 foot magnetic ball. Now that was fun on the guitar as a pickup. If you got 1kv spikes you should be able to pull a neodynium magnet from 1 foot to the coil, easily. Or make it turn. Think cheap if you have to.
Hey, you slapped some leftovers together and got kicks! And I might add in quite a minimal timeframe. More than most of the readers and highly trained posters here! Be thankful.

So don't go away mad like others. To the victors go the spoils! There are a huge amount of applications after this next step. And anybody than can think for themselves knows it. I was told that the world will be changed 180 degrees in 2 generations from this.

Patience weedhopper.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 03, 2007, 03:32:56 AM
@GK,

We all will get there, time is the main ingredient with a dash of patience.

Thanks for the mention BTW.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 03, 2007, 03:36:23 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 03, 2007, 03:50:13 AM
@IS,

Please note that Turbo's design is not what it seems, his is a replication of a Tesla patent, the magnifying transmitter. The design was discussed as well as how he did it, this is one reason I mentioned reading all of the related threads and others to glean all the info possible.

Do not think we are not interested in your ideas, please take the time to do a write up on them and post them and we can discuss and then try them out after.

We all want to get the to the finish line, but patience is required to win this race.

As GK has stated in his last post many people have come and gone from this TPU project for various reasons, don't let this project get to you, slow and steady is what you need to be. We will all get there, I for one am not looking for fame, I want to give this to the world for the obvious reasons.

We all must contribute to win this race, this is why we read, theorize and experiment and share.

If you need take a break and come back we will be here or on another project if this one completes.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Thaelin on April 03, 2007, 04:18:33 AM
   Here in lies the biggest drawback. So far, if I have had an idea that I felt held credence, I just post it and let the group as a whole ponder it. Just drop it on us and let it take the course. So what if you piss off a few people, you will do that no matter which way you go. Since this "is" patented material already, there is nothing to be gained by holding back a key piece of the puzzle. If enough people find it, there is no way to hush us all up without bringing bad press to them selves. This is for the good of the world, not just someones pocket. As they say, "let it all hang out baby" and the world will be a better place. Today is good day for change.

sugra


   
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 03, 2007, 04:43:22 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: turbo on April 03, 2007, 07:42:29 AM
 innovation_station

i sugest you stop talking and start building.

Turbo
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on April 03, 2007, 07:49:22 AM
Hello all,

@ IS

Of course I said once this is all s..t because with a little test I got a 24V/5W light bulb  to shine like the sun. I had only a few turns of wire wound over my 2 fingers and connected in a "special way", the picture is here in this forum. Not a such good result I had with my TPU that I wound with who knows how many wires, with the feedback coil.....pulsed with 3 frequencies...

I would suggest you all to make tests with little coils wound over your 2 fingers, the collectors through this coils, pulse them, see what happens and if you are sattisfied wind another coil......pulse...

Im doing this because I need only a few minutes to make such a coil and the tests are GREAT....
In this way you can make a lot of tests in a really short time, of course, you can learn.... There is NO need to make various TPUs and then you see you made s..t. You lost then time and have a big NOTHING!!!

From this little tests I learned a lot about coils, pulses, connections....

Otto
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: aluka on April 03, 2007, 10:03:47 AM
@GK,

We all will get there, time is the main ingredient with a dash of patience.

Thanks for the mention BTW.

i found something....maybee... a patent on magnetic motional fields....

maybee it helps to come foreward.

http://oriharu.net/ehooper1.htm

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 03, 2007, 02:59:12 PM
THANK YOU  turbo and otto i will be building

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 03, 2007, 06:39:47 PM
Vendanges sont faites,
Effluvia abounds,
And I am mesmerized...

--gaintkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 03, 2007, 06:48:06 PM
@ gk   

 in english for us poor dumb foke like me




Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 03, 2007, 08:19:35 PM
Vendanges sont faites,
Effluvia abounds,
And I am mesmerized...

--gaintkiller.

Quotes from 'Fatal Attraction' by Patricia Fara
The rip off is over, We are in the field, It is amazing.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: simonmagus on April 03, 2007, 09:59:37 PM

also im sure someone right now is making a lot of money off of us this is why im removing all of my work over time from here and posting some where people care and money is not the motive


If there is someone profiting from free-energy tech at least they are bringing it to the public.  "Free energy" can help:

*end homelessness,
*end wars around the world
*stop government oppression
*human social development
*stimulate development of advanced technologies (for space and beyond)
*reverse pollution
*end corporate slavery
*end financial slavery
* ...(list goes on)
 
Why should I care if someone makes a few bucks from overunity technology? It belongs to the world.

If you are seeking prestige from a significant discovery, public documentation/disclosure is your friend. Just look at SM, he will most likely never be mentioned in the history books cause of his secrecy.(assuming his device is real)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: EMdevices on April 03, 2007, 10:13:23 PM
Hi guys,

I've been away for a while but I take a peak now and then   :)

GK grabbed my attention from gn0sis.com with a schematic using hall sensors, what has become of it?

InovationStation,  I haven't seen your postings,  did you accomplish something wonderful?  I like you're picture.

Can somebody summarize?   

1) Are we all thinking now that "kicks" are  the high flyback voltage spikes, when current is interupted to an inductor?

2) Is the prefered method for the TPU, the Tesla rotating magnetic field configuration with 4 sector coils?

I'll be watching, and later contributing once I get the Bedini Motor behind me  :)

Sincerely,

EM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 03, 2007, 11:43:33 PM
Can somebody summarize?   

1) Are we all thinking now that "kicks" are  the high flyback voltage spikes, when current is interupted to an inductor?

Yeap, but those are not just BEMF spikes, they are RE spikes too. This is true because you can still generate them even with a bifilar coil, which should have little to no BEMF. I did a very simple experiment to prove this and will post the details as soon as I get a chance.

2) Is the prefered method for the TPU, the Tesla rotating magnetic field configuration with 4 sector coils?

That is just one way to do it. Think about the rotating field as a byproduct of what we are trying to accomplish. The ultimate goal is to smash the coils' fields up against eachother, this increases the BEMF spikes. But in a different way, the bifilar and anti-bifilar coils do the same thing. We produce a sharp potential gradient using the E and B fields, and when that gradient collapses sharply, that generates a very short, but powerful burst of radiant energy. Those bursts are all the meaningless spikes we have all been seeing on our collector coils.

Remember what Mr. Mark said, each spikes by itself doesn't amount to much but when you make enough of them, fast enough, then they will grow into a collectible power spike. Now add that in with the fact that each coil has its own unique frequency, which is proportional to the diameter, and what do you have? Well, for one thing, it is true that a small coil will have a very high resonant frequency, well into the Mhz. So what do you do if you want to make your coil resonate and you can't drive it directly?

Think Tesla Coil and resonant rise. In everyday tesla coils, one simply tunes the primary and secondary coils, and 'taps' the primary coil with a frequency that is some sub-harmonic of the system, and it will naturally run up to its natural resonant frequency. Tesla accomplished this with his fine-tuning of the spark gap length, but we can fine tune the TPU with the adjustment of the on time and frequency of the pulses. Just because we are pulsing in the kHz does not mean that the TPU coil is not running in the MHz! We need a fast moving field with lots and lots of spikes to accumulate enough to make some real current. So we have to learn how to tune the coils, control and collector coils, so that they will resonate with eachother... Think Tesla.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 04, 2007, 01:01:07 AM
Oh one other thing I aught to mention. A little self-triggering like the Bedini Schoolgirl motor might help too  ;).

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 04, 2007, 02:13:49 AM
@jdo300,

already working that angle :)

I am using the Bedini Window motor circuit and getting some interesting results.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on April 04, 2007, 07:29:50 AM
And so the question arises, bang the coils, or run them sequentially.
it's good to see we are moving ahead nicely again.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on April 04, 2007, 12:44:33 PM
A few pics of me playing with my coils.
Playing with the freq's is fun and I do see resonant nodes with gain, but no fireworks yet.
Now to go about capturing the negative spike into a cap...   ;)

~D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 04, 2007, 03:16:15 PM
Nice looking coils man :-). I'll post some pictures of the one I completed last night when i get home this evening :-).

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 04, 2007, 11:49:41 PM
@Dansway,

Looks like your trying to replicate marco, er Turbo's unit there. Nice craftsmanship tho.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on April 05, 2007, 12:16:03 AM
@Starcruiser,

The pancake coil is made with flat speaker cord that doubles back on itself.  Then I have a tri-filar control warp over that.
 
I plan on feeding this pancake coil with 1,2 & 3 freq'a in combinations etc.

I was able to get a positive bias on my other coil last night, but was just sweeping various freq's and did not note anything down.  I'll investigate that again soon.  I was banging the coils together in series and at a small freq window, both postive and nagative pusles shifted to a 70/30 in favor of the positive side.

~Dan
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 05, 2007, 02:22:04 AM
Dansway,

On the large TPU how many wraps do you have per control coil? What is the resistance of each coil?

If you have 3 layers and 4 control coils per with a resistance of at least 1.5 ohms each, try connecting each layers control coils in series and then each layer in series with the next. Monitor the collectors (individually and in series). I am not sure what control circuits you are using but if you can put together a Bedini window motor controller, see diagram, use the feedback coil (if you have a 4 segment connect those in series as well) for the trigger, the results you get might interest you.

As a variation connect the control coils to bang against each other (polarities reversed so you have  N-N and S-S) and try using the control circuit again (you may need to rewire the feedback segments to adjust their polarities). Let us know what you get.

:)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 05, 2007, 02:36:40 AM
you can subsitute a NTE 123 for the MPS 8099 and use NTE 196 and 197 for the others (these are NPN and PNP audio drivers, good to 4 Mhz). DOn't forget to use a diode across the points C & D to shunt the BEMF. I tried it with and without and the transistors seem to handle it with out (so far).

Forgot to mention, omit the bridge rectifier, for now.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 05, 2007, 03:11:02 AM
And so the question arises, bang the coils, or run them sequentially.
it's good to see we are moving ahead nicely again.

It is a question that gives me great pause.  Like the three, or is it four, macaronis twisting about their centers of gravity; I wonder if these points enter into the diameter calculation.

Folks begin to question the arc on which they planted their hedges when faced with the need to trim them down.  The height and the arc were previously derived together with all due giddiness.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on April 05, 2007, 03:25:34 AM
@Starcruiser,

Thanks for the help.  I am working on several things and will also work the Bedini circuits into the tpu.
John Bedini should be working on Mark's TPU....!

~Dan

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: turbo on April 05, 2007, 04:44:58 AM
A few pics of me playing with my coils.
Playing with the freq's is fun and I do see resonant nodes with gain, but no fireworks yet.
Now to go about capturing the negative spike into a cap...   ;)

~D

Hi Dan, nice coils.
it reminds me of the o'l days.
it has it all,

*3 coils one on top of the other.
*3 control wires all the way around.
*the control wires perpendiculair around the collectors.
*run in multiple segments.

only thing which was buggin me those day's was each segment could be fed with a collector section to help.... etc.

nice work men.

Turbo

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 05, 2007, 04:46:29 AM
@giantkiller: Regarding 390,721:  I see the two exciter shaft coils each giving a moving "impression" of their common static magnetic field, one ninety degrees behind the other, to the four generator ring coils.  If the two generator shaft coils were shorted, like in the motor, then the generator shaft would try to "shadow" the movement of the exciter shaft in one direction.  If the generator shaft were turned in the opposite direction, say with an 'unspecified' belt, then I wonder what shape the signals would make that pass to the motor and transformer.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 05, 2007, 06:11:23 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: UncleFester on April 05, 2007, 01:06:47 PM
I'll be joining you guys shortly on testing. Work and our wedding this week has drug me down a bit. This is posted at 4am while getting ready for work, problem is it will be 5pm by the time I get back here to finish the circuit = (

Good work on the setup Dan, looks awesome.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 05, 2007, 04:10:48 PM
Hello Everyone,

Ever wonder what biasing a coil/transformer does? Check out this excerpt from the Wikipedia page about transformers!

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A steel core's remanence means that it retains a static magnetic field when power is removed. When power is then reapplied, the residual field will cause a high inrush current until the effect of the remanent magnetism is reduced, usually after a few cycles of the applied alternating current. Overcurrent protection devices such as fuses must be selected to allow this harmless inrush to pass. On transformers connected to long overhead power transmission lines, induced currents due to geomagnetic disturbances during solar storms can cause saturation of the core, and false operation of transformer protection devices.

So having a static magnetic field up against the transformer core actually adds a little bit of power to the transformer when it is first turned on. So if this static mag field is suppled by a small external magnet rather than the remanence of the core, then you get a small boost in power output for free :).

Just thought I'd toss that out to ya.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 05, 2007, 05:08:23 PM
Jason,

So when pulsing the TPU control coils, the addition of the magnet next to the collector and control coils will increase current production in the TPU, hmmm. That fits with my theory regarding my super pole control coil design and Jacob's theory on magnetic reconnection ... I think. Not sure if you read Jacob's thread over on Gn0sis' forum regarding Magnetic reconnection, using a super pole type coil arrangement. I also wonder if that external magnet would influence the rotation of the mag field, or is that left up to the geomagnetic field to do that? or is the rotation a result of beat frequency interaction?? Something to ponder.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 05, 2007, 05:10:55 PM
Here is a link to some info on the Drake Model of magnetic reconnection.

http://www.glue.umd.edu/~drake/
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: simonmagus on April 05, 2007, 07:30:30 PM
So having a static magnetic field up against the transformer core actually adds a little bit of power to the transformer when it is first turned on. So if this static mag field is suppled by a small external magnet rather than the remanence of the core, then you get a small boost in power output for free :).

Just thought I'd toss that out to ya.

God Bless,
Jason O

Your post reminds me of a hurricane in Florida I witnessed a few years ago where all the surrounding electric transformers blew up. Instead of a few sparks from the transformers, they literally lit up like fireworks. Very interesting.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on April 05, 2007, 09:56:19 PM
Hi Marco/Turbo!

Thanks for the tips.

I wish I could talk with you on Skype or Yahoo Messenger? Seriously....

~Dan
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 06, 2007, 12:12:25 AM
@All,
Based on present tuning work I am working on the basis that the TPU winder should start out with the collector and the controller wire being the same length or some integer based divisible ratio. This model only applies to a single collector layer.

I am working on a application that allows the user to enter the resonance ratio, the coil support material / substrate outside diameter, coil support material / substrate height, and the number of collector loops a coil could start out with.
The program will then calculate, based on a wire gauge table, the correct lengths of the collector length and the matching controller coil length in inches and millimeters.

Other data that appears is the number of control turns and if the rim distance * 4 will fit on the coil support material / substrate. A caveat here it something that Rosphere mentioned about each control coil spread across the substrate rim equadistant to the quandrant that each occupies or each turn specifically adjacent to the previous turn with no gap. In a bucking coil arrangement each controller coil should be touching its neighbor.

By playing with the resonance ratio, the program will show the correct ratiometric ramifications to the paired coils.

My final stage will show the on resonant percentage value into overunity or runaway. A value of 100% is self destruct. You must evacuate the area immediately!

I have tweeked the development using numerous coils of mine and other posters. So far it clearly shows why some work and some don't.

I will be working on the software through the week end and should have something to post next week about how this application will work as finished product.
It is extremely interesting to make enteries and see what the performance is for different winding parameters. One can get a clear view of how to start that is somewhat closer that just picking a wire, wrapping it up, a cutting off the ends to make the TPU look pretty, and expecting it to run. It just ain't happening. It all starts from the beginning. Plain and simple.

I thought I would add this to the tuning mix. The RB(resistor bridge) could be a TPU?
http://www.maxim-ic.com/appnotes.cfm/appnote_number/3364

Things are moving along quite nicely, eh? We are upto 30k hits. Thanks guys.

--giantkiller. Geeks rule! Losers drool!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: MrMag on April 06, 2007, 02:30:12 AM
GK,

Seems like a nice bit of work your up against. The only concern that I have is that without a working TPU how can you work this out. You may have everybody winding coils based on your calculations that may not be correct as far as a working TPU is concerned. Could be a huge waste of time for a lot of people. We are not even convinced if the TPU consists of three or four control windings. However, any helpful calculations based on wire length, coil diameter and resonant frequency could be very helpful. I like your enthusiasm but it seems to me that you are always two steps ahead. We need to wait until someone gets a unit working. Then we need to replicate it a few times. Now we can work on a spreadsheet to calculate the parameters.

Just my two cents.

Tim
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 06, 2007, 03:45:21 AM
This comfortable world we all live in was created by risk takers.

There's your sign... :D

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 06, 2007, 04:41:49 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 06, 2007, 11:32:55 PM
I have begun my physical model of GKTC1(tuned coil).
I start with (5) 23 foot lengths of 30awg magwire.
The first wire length is wound on a 1 inch height of 4 inch diameter sched 30 pvc(the thinner stuff) for 20 turns with about 4.5 inch leads.
Do not cut the ends but tape them down.
The last 4 lengths are the 4 control coil segments of 30 turns each.
Fold each one in half to get the middle starting point and then wind in both directions RHR over the pvc and the collector coil.
Graduate the windings so each one takes up its whole quadrant of the pvc.
Do not cut the ends but tape them down.
And use a lighter to remove the varnish from the ends.

The control segments are jumpered equivilant to Tesla 390721 bucking coil transformer in the lower right hand corner of the patent diagram.

Now the collector and the control coils are the same mass.
This is a single layer.
I am going to drive this with a 555.
This is also used to verify the calculations and the application I am building. One should be able to change the wire gauge and get a TPU built from a spec sheet. We will see.
30 awg isn't tiring on the hands as it is a flying wire mess to deal with, besides being hard to see.

More updates later after I fire it up.

--giantkiller. I need a break right now.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 06, 2007, 11:44:55 PM
Finally some tuning.. Thanks for the pics GK! Looks great.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 07, 2007, 12:44:53 AM
This may help some folks understand coil winding     http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Workshop/advice/coils/air_coils.html#flx   @ inovation - good luck on your coil looks good . The lighting control usally runs at 2 to 5 MHz - be careful not to heat up the mofets.  @ gk looks good was looking on paper with 2 coils like your setup it would be interesting to see what a coil 6 wraps around the middle as sorta a bias coil.  Thank You Mike   
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 07, 2007, 02:03:27 AM
...of 4 inch diameter sched 30 pvc(the thinner stuff)...

giantkiller,

Would you be so kind as to measure the wall thickness.  While you have your scale in hand, what do you measure for ID and OD?  (Just to verify the '4 inch sch-30 pvc' size for our friends overseas.)  Thanks in advance.

Rosphere
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 07, 2007, 02:08:38 AM
Interesting idea GK, seems like it should match with the open TPU if the finer wire has the same mass as the stranded in that version.

Looking forward to your results
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 07, 2007, 03:29:43 AM
Looks like I woke some people up!
I pulsed straight off a 555 to a 50 ohm 5w with coil to ground.

The first picture shows leading and trailing edge kicks and rings. We can see the pulse train too.
But on a closely tuned coil the pulse train does not show up on the collector and you see nothing but kicks and ringing.
At this stage the v per div, amps, kick sizes doesn't matter. But here they are 500mv / div, 5.8ma, resonance at 400khz on a 5v circuit. What I am showing here is the mass of the collector and control copper equals.
Did I compute the turns electronically? No. Mechanically? No. Do what you want just don't change the mass.
I.D and O.D. doesn't matter. I just pulled shit off the shelf and turned it out, pulsed it, and viola! You get what you see. 11 hours worth of work.
The power out is after we get the trigger to ramp up to cyclical operation. I got scope shake. This thing wants to go higher.
It doesn't rotate a compass or move a buzzmag yet. 30 turns of 30 awg per quadrant is not enough.

Houston, we got progress. Sweet, eh?

--giantkiller. There will be no vicarious daydreaming here. Build.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: nong on April 07, 2007, 02:16:39 PM
Oooh! Wow!
I'd just finish wiring GK4.  Do I come late!!  :P

Look Great...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 07, 2007, 03:31:44 PM
...resonance at 400khz...
...I.D and O.D. doesn't matter...

giantkiller,

Please at least humor me with a wall thickness.  I may be wrong but I think that it is too soon to send the diameter jury home.

Your 400kHz frequency was smiling at me this morning from a spreadsheet that I made last night based on your given OD: 3.194GHz/2^13=390kHz.

When I introduce a slight wall thickness, by reducing the starting build diameter to place the diameter on a point in the center of the rings section profile, the error rate drops.

On second thought, let us have some fun with this.  Give me your best measured resonance frequency, (with the number of significant figures,) and I will tell you your wall thickness based on your given OD and resonant frequency.

Yeah, this could all be coincidence; like that time when I wound my first coil and flipped on my first oscilloscope.  I discovered the earth's resonant magnetic... local radio station.  :-[

Someone somewhere got a kick out of seeing that discovery, I am sure.  :D

Thanks man,
Rosphere
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 07, 2007, 03:53:12 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 07, 2007, 05:17:59 PM
Oooh! Wow!
I'd just finish wiring GK4.  Do I come late!!  :P

Look Great...
Thanks.
Nope. You power up by specs and don't touch the ring.  It generates microwave. :o
Use Neodymium(neos) taped to a wooden stick as a tool.

OBTW check this out: http://www.unitednuclear.com/magnets.htm (http://www.unitednuclear.com/magnets.htm)

-giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 07, 2007, 05:22:19 PM
...resonance at 400khz...
...I.D and O.D. doesn't matter...

giantkiller,

Please at least humor me with a wall thickness.  I may be wrong but I think that it is too soon to send the diameter jury home.

Your 400kHz frequency was smiling at me this morning from a spreadsheet that I made last night based on your given OD: 3.194GHz/2^13=390kHz.  (See spreadsheet view below.)

When I introduce a slight wall thickness, by reducing the starting build diameter to place the diameter on a point in the center of the rings section profile, the error rate drops.

On second thought, let us have some fun with this.  Give me your best measured resonance frequency, (with the number of significant figures,) and I will tell you your wall thickness based on your given OD and resonant frequency.

Yeah, this could all be coincidence; like that time when I wound my first coil and flipped on my first oscilloscope.  I discovered the earth's resonant magnetic... local radio station.  :-[

Someone somewhere got a kick out of seeing that discovery, I am sure.  :D

Thanks man,
Rosphere

Sorry for the fustration. I know you got the flu. Here ya go. Wall thickness.

--giantkiller. Envision, intend, relenquish, enjoy.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: nong on April 07, 2007, 06:55:39 PM
Thank you...
I'll not touch the ring... 
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 08, 2007, 01:44:29 AM
When something out of the ordinary appears, one must ask with curiosity and not with prejudice.

--giantkiller. You can quote me.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 08, 2007, 02:07:26 AM
Ok then, Just out of curiosity what did you discover?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 08, 2007, 02:48:41 AM
...(5) 23 foot lengths...
...a 1 inch height of 4 inch diameter sched 30 pvc(the thinner stuff) [0.0695" thick]...
...the 4 control coil segments of 30 turns each..

30 turns, at a bit over 2 inches per turn, makes almost 5 and a half feet for each control coil.  Where are the other 17 and a half feet?  I am so confused.

Did you mean, (2) 23 foot lengths, one uncut length wrapped around the ring-circumference and the other length wrapped around the ring-profile as 4 cut sections?

If so, I highly suggest removing three winds, (from current 30 down to 27 winds per quadrant profile-wound control coil,) without cutting the length.

Also, are you pulsing like 390,721 where N N appears to be 90 degrees apart from N1 N1?


This will be my last post for awhile.  I will be far away from the grid for many a day.  Be kind to one another.  Post no crap.  If you did, then take it down.  Later, taters!  :D

Rosphere
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 08, 2007, 03:03:23 AM
 
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 08, 2007, 03:53:02 AM
If he is pulsing a coil to make a mag field, then he is probably takeing a mesurement from the vertical coil. which would read in the MV scale. from this he can see what the resonance of the field is from the tiney currant in the vertical coil, then drive the circuit with the correct freq. More of a magfield test IMHO than an attempt to gather any power. ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 08, 2007, 04:24:06 AM
...(5) 23 foot lengths...
...a 1 inch height of 4 inch diameter sched 30 pvc(the thinner stuff) [0.0695" thick]...
...the 4 control coil segments of 30 turns each..

30 turns, at a bit over 2 inches per turn, makes almost 5 and a half feet for each control coil.  Where are the other 17 and a half feet?  I am so confused.

Did you mean, (2) 23 foot lengths, one uncut length wrapped around the ring-circumference and the other length wrapped around the ring-profile as 4 cut sections?

If so, I highly suggest removing three winds, (from current 30 down to 27 winds per quadrant profile-wound control coil,) without cutting the length.

Also, are you pulsing like 390,721 where N N appears to be 90 degrees apart from N1 N1?

Rosphere[/b]

The control coils are 4 sections.
The bucking coils are nn ss all connected together.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 08, 2007, 05:04:15 AM
@ 233khz I show:
the bucking coil input at 5v pulses
the horizontal collector at 650mv p2p
the vertical collector at 250mv p2p.

The bucking coils show a little ringing
The horizontal collector shows alot of ringing
The vertical collector shows the exact copy of the pulse but,
Although the voltage gets smaller the ringing gets better.
Must be close, eh?
No vibrations yet.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 08, 2007, 05:52:43 AM
If you push with equally light pressure on the side of a water volume container at certain equadistance hits, eventually the water spills over the sides, not by your effort but by your timing.
We couldn't push water uphill now can we? That is how the rogue waves come into being.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 08, 2007, 06:59:06 AM
Hello All,

It is nice to see all the progress that is being made so far. I'm currently out of town for the weekend so I don't get to do any experiments. However, I came across an interesting article that I thought would be worth your attention:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/9222/ele.htm

It talks about how statically crossed E and B fields cause electrons to move in one direction in a wire! They say that it is converting the random heat motion into a unidirectional charge flow direction but this can easily be improved by using.... guess what... a static magnetic (B) field, and a pulsed electric field! This would be a perfect application for our control coils, which make all kinds of electrostatic spikes on our collectors.... SO throw in a magnet or a DC bias and you get unidirectional current flow at the right frequency!

Just some food for thought...

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Darth Vader on April 08, 2007, 03:20:27 PM
Oops wrong set, does anybody know the way to the spacecrafts?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 08, 2007, 03:45:47 PM
@ vader

i think if you take a left turn then a right one that will take you to the craft


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 08, 2007, 04:22:07 PM
Hello All,

It is nice to see all the progress that is being made so far. I'm currently out of town for the weekend so I don't get to do any experiments. However, I came across an interesting article that I thought would be worth your attention:

http://www.geocities.com/CapeCanaveral/Lab/9222/ele.htm

It talks about how statically crossed E and B fields cause electrons to move in one direction in a wire! They say that it is converting the random heat motion into a unidirectional charge flow direction but this can easily be improved by using.... guess what... a static magnetic (B) field, and a pulsed electric field! This would be a perfect application for our control coils, which make all kinds of electrostatic spikes on our collectors.... SO throw in a magnet or a DC bias and you get unidirectional current flow at the right frequency!

Just some food for thought...

God Bless,
Jason O

Also, what about using 2 oscillators, one operating to generate the main Freq and the other to open the switch?

What I mean is, using one oscillator to trigger the next, one Osc operating at say 5khz and the other at say 7hz. The slower oscillator triggers the output of the higher one.

More food for thought.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 08, 2007, 05:34:50 PM
@ vader i think you take a left turn then a right 1 and that will take to the craft

i think if you all want answers then study turbos rings


a picture of my latest ring project


a question for everyone

what do you think im going to put between the mag feilds?

is


If my eyes don't deceive me I'd say your mag wire is a subharmonic component of the larger wire by an evenly divisible factor corresponding to the mass.

Steel? The coils look like they are wired in a bucking configuration. Yeee! Cowboy!

And let me add this: All of your coils are physically very simple. So you must be onto the resonant rise step?

--giantkiller. Happy Easter.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 08, 2007, 05:41:22 PM
hear is my 2 pictures the first just some of my wasted time and the second my 2 big kickers over 1kv each


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 08, 2007, 08:12:59 PM
steel right you are gk


all wires are 50 turns magwire did away with my last coil the square 1 as i donot need steel to get kicks with it any more my steel wire will be connected a special way and only used for 1 reason



2 more pictures i thought i would share the first just some of my wasted time  and the second my 2 big kickers over 1kv each

is


There is no waste, only opportunites to learn. Great pile, guy! I am especially interested in the little TPU on a coil run at the left of the picture. Am already going down that road too. I believe that is the technology pertaining to the the photon torpedo cannon in the underside of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701-D.

--giantkiller. Never hurts to dream.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 09, 2007, 05:56:49 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on April 09, 2007, 08:17:18 AM
Hello all,

did you know that you can have a rotational magnetic field with only 1 control coil???

See my test.jpg!!!

Otto
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on April 09, 2007, 08:22:15 AM
What Test jpg?

~Dan
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on April 09, 2007, 10:12:38 AM
yes, i did know that.

Otto can you do that with an DC current?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 09, 2007, 10:57:17 AM
hers somthing to think about turbos ring and my meter
my input voltage is 12v 1000 ma out put of the ring is 26.4 volts ac and amps are in the pic

@ everyone you all still think this is a waste of time ?

on the collector ring i put 2 coils of steel wire top and bottom of 3 loops b4 i wound the control wires  i take power out from the steel control wind and the steel collector loops

and the mesurements in the pic i did not post the voltage pic mabe i will tomorrow get a good long look this will not be here long !

btw there no electronics involved in this the pluse comes from my light puter
and im plusing both - and + at the same time and only 1 plused power supply



ist


Could you tell us how?

''pluse comes from my light puter
and im plusing both - and + at the same time and only 1 plused power supply''

 a little more detail would be great, Thanks         
                                                          Moab
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 09, 2007, 11:31:18 AM
help me understand your replication.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 09, 2007, 02:55:41 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 09, 2007, 03:54:24 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 09, 2007, 03:58:45 PM
ist is kindly asking turbo to come and  help explain for the people as i do a poor job of it but i will try soon!

ist


Ok, i will fly a holding pattern. Waiting ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 09, 2007, 04:47:17 PM
Hi Otto,

I do know that it is possible to make a rotating field with only one control coil. But as far as I understand, that requires a high frequency going through it. If you use two-conductor spearker wire as the single coil and run a single frequency in one conductor, and then come back and go into the other conductor, at some frequency (probably in the MHz depending on how long the coil is), you will get a 90 degree phase shift between the signal coming in from the frequency source and the frequency coming out of the first conductor and going into the second conductor. This might produce the rotating field since there would be a 90 degree lag between the signal in the first and second conductor :-).

Just my two cents worth. Could you give us more information about your findings?

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on April 09, 2007, 06:40:02 PM
Hello all,

you dont need a high frequency to get a rotating field. Its only 5 - 10Hz and you can clearly see the little magnet over a collector coil spinning like a champ. Im using only a 1 turn collector and a 50 turn control coil. My test.jpg is here in this forum or at ctg labs at page 75 I think.

Of course this is achieved with pulses and they shoulde be DC.

You will soon have more informations.

Otto
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 09, 2007, 07:31:34 PM
Hi Otto,

Thanks for the tip. For those of us who aren't members over at the CTG Labs forum (or don't know where to look here), here's the picture Otto was talking about attached below... Now that I am taking a second look at this, there is something that I missed the first time around... need to retest this again...

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 09, 2007, 07:35:10 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 09, 2007, 08:37:55 PM
"@ moab please remove my pics and i will make a new 1 showing all connections and explanations"




Ist

Go for it.
             Moab.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: turbo on April 09, 2007, 10:14:54 PM
ist is kindly asking turbo to come and  help explain for the people as i do a poor job of it but i will try soon!

ist

What do you want me to explain?! it is your tpu and i can't even see how it is wired or how you are driving it...

Turbo
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 09, 2007, 10:48:13 PM
Amen to that!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on April 09, 2007, 10:57:36 PM
Welcome Back Turbo
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 09, 2007, 11:01:53 PM
it is plused with my lite chaser

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 09, 2007, 11:06:21 PM
"light chaser"

Yeah, Redneck's have those running their Christmas lights on their front porches year-round.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 09, 2007, 11:12:39 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 09, 2007, 11:20:55 PM
and...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on April 09, 2007, 11:29:03 PM
Hey Grumpy , I was messing around with the coil your were talking about . I will message you in 3.2021 hours to let you know what I found. No time right now.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 09, 2007, 11:32:39 PM
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine...


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 09, 2007, 11:36:17 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 09, 2007, 11:45:48 PM
Band: "Lords Of The New Church"
Title: "Open Your Eyes"
(some time in the early 1990's - don't think they had any other hits)

(Bator/James)
Video games train the kids for war.
Army chic in high-fashion stores.
Law and order's done their job.
Prisons filled while the rich still rob.
Assassination politics.
Violence rules within' our nation's midst.
Well ignorance is their power tool.
You'll only know what they want you to know.
The television cannot lie.
Controlling media with smokescreen eyes.
Nuclear politicians picture show.
The acting's lousy but the blind don't know.
They scare us all with threats of war.
So we forget just how bad things are.
You taste the fear when you're all alone.
They gonna git'cha when you're on your own.
The silence of conspiracy.
Slaughtered on the altar of apathy.
You gotta wake up from your sleep.
'Cause meek inherits earth...six feet deep.
Open your eyes see the lies right in front of ya.
Open your eyes.....
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on April 10, 2007, 12:00:39 AM
Hi all,

I suggest that everybody does Otto's test.....exactly as he drew it.

Dont bother making circles of them,using tubes, changing materials,or adding windings. YET! ....just do the test! and see where your nose takes you.

I found it very interesting.

Lindsay



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 10, 2007, 12:05:50 AM
This is turning out like a Martha Stewart and Oprah Winfrey free for all cat fight at a frontyard shotgun garage sale.

We all have a purpose and potential. Looks like everybody's come back home. Just like family. The good, the bad and the ugly.

So who is the prom queen in this homecoming parade?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 10, 2007, 12:06:24 AM
It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine...




@Grumpy
Do you have a more difinitive time on that?


give me a break as it is supper time and i have 2 kids

ist

I am sure kids are welcome. I am bringing mine but the wife can stay behind!

AM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on April 10, 2007, 12:24:17 AM
I believe it was Turbo that just came home "GK" eh

More beer
IronHead


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 10, 2007, 01:11:08 AM
Turbo,

What makes this flower grow?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1761.msg18738.html#msg18738
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 01:23:23 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 10, 2007, 01:57:30 AM
Dang! Here I am working on an HHO cell and i missed the party.

Good to see you Otto, Grumpy, Geez seems like Old times when i was just a lurker. A way back when,,lol, Hey Ironhead pass me a cold one, Do i smell a BBQ,?
                         
                                         Moab.M
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 02:04:09 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 02:22:48 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 03:26:48 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: MrMag on April 10, 2007, 04:44:26 AM
IS,

I may not be completely correct but I think all you have here is a step up transformer. Also, you are taking the current reading without any load. By taking the reading where you are also taking the voltage reading, you are actually shorting out your coil. By getting a current reading of 2.?? amps on a direct short, I don't think you would end up with much current under load. Try putting a 24V bulb in the circuit and measure the current in series with the bulb. Please let us know what you come up with.

Tim
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 04:55:08 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: MrMag on April 10, 2007, 05:19:32 AM
IS,

I'm sorry I guess I don't really follow your logic. I can't see how your chaser which is switching 110VAC into a 12VDC power adapter is feeding a coil that is wrapped beside a steel wire is giving you 24 volts at over 2 amps.
First of all, I do not think your chaser is switching very fast. Also, the power adapter needs to build up and bleed out the 12V. So even if the chaser switched quickly, the adapter would never completely turn on and off.
You cannot take voltage and current readings from the same connection. You need to run the coil under load. Put a bulb on your coil. Take the voltage reading across the bulb and the current reading in series with the bulb.
Before getting to complicated in it's workings, you should do some basic electrical/electronic tests to prove your results.
Just give it a try.

Tim
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 05:32:55 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: MrMag on April 10, 2007, 05:58:56 AM
So, you are getting out exactly what you are putting in.
I think you need to get your hands on a better switching circuit.
I am pretty sure that it will help you in your experiments.

Tim
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 06:05:58 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 10, 2007, 06:06:43 AM
Here's your sign...

A coil in resonance. Not enough turns.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 06:08:05 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on April 10, 2007, 07:31:22 AM
Hello all,

@Jason

thanks for the piicture. Yesterday I had only a minute to be online and could not find my picture.

As Mr. Mannix said, make such a coil, make tests. I can say I made hundreds of such tests and learned a lot about coils.
Make first 1 coil then another and of course a 3. coil and through this coils a lamp wire, look what will happen, just play. For winding such coils you will need only a few minutes.

Otto
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: turbo on April 10, 2007, 07:37:35 AM
hey IST, if your puter/coil is  putting out 26volt 1200ma and you are putting in 12 volt 1200ma then you might have discoverd something new.

i never used such driving equipment.
Turbo
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 07:42:11 AM
it seams to be  some kind of an invertor or convertor  from dc to ac at dubble the voltage humm strange!

hear is a pic of it


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 07:56:46 AM
i put 12v dc 1200ma and it gave me back 26.4 v ac



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on April 10, 2007, 12:06:51 PM
@Otto...

Fun with coils the otto way...! 

~Dan
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on April 10, 2007, 01:35:22 PM
Hello Dan,

I hope you connected everything like in the picture.

Now, pulse this coil with 1 frequency, then with 2 and then with 3 frequencies.

Play with the coils, think how to make a TPU.... how many coils for the TPU....

Otto
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 10, 2007, 02:23:41 PM
Dan,

Those are pretty neat looking ( Bow tie? ) coils. Are they all lamp wire?

                               
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 03:44:26 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 10, 2007, 05:00:08 PM
why just beat around the bush i know you guys konw it why not give it to the world

Profound knowledge in the wrong hands will only result in disaster.  The world of Tesla is no different than the one we live in today.  Mankind still hungers for power and is overcome with greed.

Exploding TV sets kill people, so can exploding rings.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on April 10, 2007, 05:03:38 PM
+1

IronHead
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 05:06:48 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on April 10, 2007, 05:13:21 PM
among other things if not built proper . Like ripping cells apart in the human body.
Do you know why things like microwaves give a person a migraine headache. Because the cells in your brain expand .

Ok I'm done here , was just agreeing with Grumpy is all


IronHead
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 05:19:56 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on April 10, 2007, 05:22:03 PM
Pay attention . I said if not built proper
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 05:30:40 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on April 10, 2007, 05:38:22 PM
It is a big world out there man!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 06:15:16 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 10, 2007, 06:25:03 PM
Bedini's stuff hasn't killed anyone that I know of and you can bet your ass that what he has released is only the tip of the iceberg.  

RE in knowledgable hands is viable and there is more than one way to grab the dragon by the tail.

Hell, GK is lucky he didn't get nerve damage and he was just screwing around with high freq induction.

I_S you are correct that there are factions that do not want this out and you do not want them in your business.

Maybe Turbo has the goods, maybe he fooled everyone, maybe both - either way - he ain't talkin'.  He listed several references.

Why not give them a revolver with three bullets in it, let them play Russian Roulette, results would be about the same.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 06:33:51 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 10, 2007, 06:45:37 PM
gk what coil might be you are testing?

A 4" pvc ring 1" high with 20 turns around the circumference of 30awg magnet wire @ 233khz from a 555 @ 5 volts through a 50 ohm 5 watt resistor.
Pretty simple.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 06:51:48 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: turbo on April 10, 2007, 07:09:39 PM
who knows how many rings where build properly?

but then again, what is a properly build ring without the proper driving?

who knows how many rings are running as we speak........

there certainly is enough information available to make a good start.

Turbo


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 07:22:42 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 10, 2007, 07:46:16 PM

there certainly is enough information available to make a good start.


Apparently not.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on April 10, 2007, 07:50:09 PM
like in the exploding television it is more a matter of an incontrolable reaction.

if you have a runaway effect and you are not able to control it, the chance of resulting in a disaster is present.

you need to say go to here ,stay there and do not go any further.
when something fails or changes like the weather and you did not expect it to happen for what reason ever,and it goes further the chance of resulting in a disaster is present.






Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 08:08:43 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: simonmagus on April 10, 2007, 08:09:47 PM
why just beat around the bush i know you guys konw it why not give it to the world

Profound knowledge in the wrong hands will only result in disaster.  The world of Tesla is no different than the one we live in today.  Mankind still hungers for power and is overcome with greed.

Exploding TV sets kill people, so can exploding rings.


Don't let fear cloud your thinking. There are more benefits than consequences when it comes to free energy. The world we live in today is different from Tesla's. We are in the information age where people share knowledge and ideas freely through the Internet.  The next logical step should be a revolution towards energy independence.

There will always be party poopers that want to spoil the fun for everyone. Should we allow them to make us live in a constant state of fear? Humankind needs free energy to live in peace, prosper and explore the stars. Without it, our current problems will never improve. 
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 10, 2007, 08:13:58 PM
Sauron has a good point IS. We don't want people to get hurt working with this stuff. We may look at it as just tinkering but if you think about it, we are really playing with fire here. And the only way to respect it is to work with it in a safe way.

This is one of the reasons why I am glad that all the answers were not just given right out to us all (as crazy as that sounds). It forces me to do my own experiments and go on my own learning curve to not only understand what I am dealing with, but also get a goo feel for it. No equations or theories can ever hold up good old-fashioned experience and empirical tests. I'm a big believer in understanding what I'm doing, and not just doing it. Sure it gets frustrating sometimes but one learns so much along the way from stumbling and bumbling, you have much more respect (and understanding) for the technology when you finally do get something that works.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 10, 2007, 08:32:44 PM
thanks gk but im done with it this is for real

good luck i beleave i have done all i can with my skills


i hope you guys figure it out for the sake of our world


is team not quiting but moveing on to somthing elese

Whether you realize it or not: "You've only just begun". Think about this: "And just where the hell do you think you're going to go that tops the ramifications of this project?" There are no alternatives! The steps you've taken fit in at another point in this device. Do not be dismayed. You are just ahead a little bit. Sit back and help others. It looks like you have enough proof for where your abilities fit.

--giantkiller. Take a break and smell the roses.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 10, 2007, 08:36:24 PM
I suggest duplicating what turbo initially showed since following Bedini's and SM paths hasn't worked out.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 08:43:36 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 10, 2007, 08:53:40 PM
Hey Nice coil IS.. I did in fact miss that one. What kind of results did you get with it?

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 09:04:24 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 10, 2007, 09:26:05 PM
Hi IS,

Why do you keep removing your posts? That makes it very hard for me and others to follow the discussion if we are not online every waking minute of the day. I am very interested in your work but it is very hard to keep up with your posts when they are so fragmented.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 09:31:34 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 10, 2007, 09:44:44 PM


At first I ignored your post but it got me so angry that I have to respnd.

Stop being a nini!

AM

P.S. modified as per ist's request.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 09:51:56 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 10, 2007, 11:52:47 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: AhuraMazda on April 11, 2007, 12:51:13 AM
If anyone has any useful/solid information that wants to post but are worried about doing so, either pm me with the info and I will post it for you or,

Alternatively, go to an internet cafe, create a new account, post your files and don't use that cafe or account again.

AM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 01:31:31 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 01:41:06 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on April 11, 2007, 02:28:42 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 11, 2007, 03:12:07 AM
among other things if not built proper . Like ripping cells apart in the human body.
Do you know why things like microwaves give a person a migraine headache. Because the cells in your brain expand .

Ok I'm done here , was just agreeing with Grumpy is all


IronHead

I absolutely agree,  experiments performed haphazardly is hazardous,  professional work = safe & professional design.   I jumped in with both feet in a rush for the brass ring, now I have a LOUD and continous ringing in my ears, I,m hoping it will ease in a few weeks, that,s why I have stopped experimenting with this until I put in place certain safety protocols.

Maybe there should be a thread dedicated to that (and make it a sticky)

joe


Yo, Dude Dirt!,
I expressed safety numerous times. Danswaay turned his on  last night and felt the hair rise on the back of his neck, funny tingly feeling over is right test hand, and a numbness in his right face.
Now for the rest of you out there in this thread I have it from a qualified source that those who have felt the love of the TPU have stuck their body parts in Hi RF and microwave fields. It is not cool to hold your head in your hands and wonder why you feel funny. The electronic hangover (I just coined a new party term) can last for days. it is immense, intense. So much so you look like sh*t the whole time.
So please don't go there or you can work in my lab, I'll call you Igor and you can dance around funny for the rest of your days. My trick fell a rocket out of the sky and my brain out of my skull. OOOh, am I proud!

If I have to, I will find you and slap you around.

--giantkiller. And remember: It's stupid out there. Don't join 'em!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 11, 2007, 03:21:11 AM


The problem is that the ones that need to heed your warnings wont.

But all should listen. Just one dance with the wrong freq could cost you for a long time. it isnt worth being foolish. If you dont understand what your messing with. leave it alone.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 11, 2007, 03:27:11 AM


The problem is that the ones that need to heed your warnings wont.

But all should listen. Just one dance with the wrong freq could cost you for a long time. it isnt worth being foolish. If you dont understand what your messing with. leave it alone.

yeh, we call 'em lab rats.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 03:37:25 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: supersam on April 11, 2007, 04:20:54 AM
gk,

you want a concrete bunker?  how thick do you want it?  we can build it in a tilt panel fashion maybe four days max!!!!  all we need is a few boards scraped every day, to form up the panels. a few pieces of rebar scrapped eveyday. and some concrete.  what do you think?

lol
sam

ps. oh and just a few hours of crane time and a place to put it.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 11, 2007, 04:37:41 AM
safety has been my concern from day 1 on this i have ran my ring only a few times and have expercienced the numbness as well but im a lucky 1 as my flashes are not fast enough but still can harm

the other safty is exposing this publicaly


that is why i post my thoughts on this and remove because you who are waching can see  and learn but you who dont know or dont follow will not see because im sure i have been verry close all along

that is the only explanation for the problems i have had earlyer along

remember safety first

is TEAM!!

Kicks are not only close but consider it done. Now make a ring with 2 pieces of wire the same length or the control wire a multiple there of. The collector loop is wound around a 4"pvc 1 inch high ring. Cut the other wires in 4 equals pieces. They will become the control segments. Fold each 1 in half and wind each controller from center on out. Why? because you don't cut the wires and you end up with equal length leads. When you have the 4 wound, connect according to 390721 bucking coil config. This is in the pic I posted. Collector is 30awg - 23 feet and my new control is 26awg 3x the collector length- 69 feet.

Then wind a matching collector coil on another pvc ring. This will be your antenna. It stands vertically in coil #1.

When you get this done we can progress to the next step. Some are already there.

@IS,
Have no fear. The rest of world knows now. Post in safety now. We will be extracting power shortly. That is where your experience will come into play. Things are well spread out amongst a large number of posters.
I noticed in your last pic you had all the control coils wired as bucking/opposing. You should be getting something out of that coil! I am wiring up one right now. The only thing you need to be sure of is that the total control length is equal or greater by a 3,6,9,18 multiple of the collector. Also think mass. By using the gauge wire you used you avoided meltdown.

--giantkiller.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 11, 2007, 05:06:26 AM
So my pvc circumference is +-12.75. 1 control coil segment should be 3.12 inches long. My first 1 is 2 inches. I have a gap. I can add more segments as long as the total control wire is stays as a multiple of the collector. Tuning. I would simply connect up the new segments as bucking/opposing. And what do you suppose that would look like? IS put your coil pic back out and leave it.
Don't worry... Now there are 2. If your coil is not built with matching coils then you have nothing to fear. But whoever reproduces Inno_ST coil tuned will have a real problem! Maybe they won't even get a chance to post. And you were worried about the MIB? You'ld already be dead. You'd take up smoking for your last wish.

--giantkiller. Any takers? Danger, Will Robinson!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on April 11, 2007, 05:09:00 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 11, 2007, 05:22:14 AM
Hello All,

As a mentioned a few pages back. I had done a simple coil test (along the lines of what Otto did), to prove a very basic point; that biasing and open circuiting the collector actually does something. I won?t explain this much as the photos and scope shots speak for themselves. But the basic conclusion is that bifilar collector = Good for DC; shorted collector = Bad for DC.

Here are the specs for my setup.

Pulse Coil: 50 turns of 20 gauge magnet wire wrapped on a wooden ruler

Collector coil: 14.5 inches long, speaker wire from RadioShack, stranded.

Pulse Input specs:

Approximate Input Specs

- Square wave
~ 2.25 kHz
~ 10V pk/pk
~ 3V RMS
~ 10V pk/pk

Pulse on time: 52 μS

NOTE: Pulse circuit switches 1000 μF, 100V DC cap into coil, which is replenished by my DC power supply.

NOTE: All measurements taken across a 2 KΩ carbon resistor.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 11, 2007, 05:25:03 AM
A couople more things. Oddly enough the waveform across the resistor always looks upside down no matter which way I connect the scope probes, though connecting across the pulse circuit output the right way 'round does give me a positive waveform.

Also, the biasing on the open-circuited collector was accomplished because my scope probe is grounded which gives the collector a slight voltage potential between the conductor with the ground probe attached and the conductor that is free-floating in the air.

Lastly, my pulse circuit is a dual-channel pulsar but I am only using the bottom channel for pulsing the coil.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 05:38:20 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on April 11, 2007, 06:45:58 AM
Hello all,

over a year long I thought Im working with a group of nice people that wants a TPU. Now I see Im working with a group of nice people that DONT want a TPU.

Its your fault, not mine!!!

@Jason

have you connected one end of the collector to the pulses too, if not so do it.

Otto
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 07:02:00 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: d3adp00l on April 11, 2007, 09:00:59 AM
well I would like to thank Mr. Mark for what seems to be a great discovery. However I am a little irritated that he sold out. And now leaves the rest of the world to try and rediscover what he did. So now more time is killed. I hope the people on this site keep up the R&D, and hope that they are able to figure it out. Its as if Tesla created A/C showed it to us, and then shelved the design saying "well I sold it to someone who isn't releasing it, what can I do? use dc until you can figure it out"
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on April 11, 2007, 09:16:48 AM
@d3adp00l

That may be true, but we will figure this out. 

I for one, am grateful to Mr. Mark for coming forward to give us the clues.  Mr. Mark did not have to do that.  Thanks again Mr. Mark!  ....and to you too Lindsay.

The TPU is a simple little critter, but must be tuned and there are several ways to build it.

Yes, it would be great if Steven Mark held a conference somewhere and taught 'exactly' how to build this device, but  that is not going to happen.

So we continue down this road...

~Dan




Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on April 11, 2007, 09:26:38 AM
Hello all,
@IS

you have copper wire???? Wind a 50 turn coil over your 2 fingers.

Connect 1 end to +12V, the other end of this coil + (plus) 1 end of your collector to the pulses.
The collector should be a litz wire, or lamp wire. It dont need to be a ring. The lenght of this "collector" is not important. This "collector" needs to be insulated because its going through the control coil. See what happens. Puls the 50 turns wire with 1 then 2 and then 3 frequencies. What happens??? Of course you have to connect a 24V/5W bulb as in the picture. If you dont want the other end of the bulb connected to a minus then connect it to the + from the power supply, its the same.

This all canbe done in a few minutes. Please tell us what you see. Then we will make the next step.

I also dont want to mislead the guys and that was the reason I didnt post a long time about my work. So far you did a great job with the TPU.

Otto
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 11, 2007, 03:42:38 PM
Hi Otto,

I will definitely try that when I get home tonight. ONe thing I wanted to ask you is if the pulsed input voltage should be higher than the DC supply voltage or is the pulsed frequency connected to the negative side of the DC source?

Thanks,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 04:03:11 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 11, 2007, 04:16:42 PM
Hey sounds good man. Looks like you beat me to it :).
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 05:12:33 PM
hello otto i did your little test  and it seams to me to be the  hall effect

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on April 11, 2007, 05:52:05 PM
Hello all,

finally!!!

Tomorrow I will post a better picture of my test.jpg.
@Is

of course I would like to shake your both hands

@Jason,

input voltage from the power supply is 12V and the pulses can be 5V. The pulses are connected to 1 side of the 50 turns coil AND to 1 end of the collector. This collector is a lamp wire and you use only 1 strand. The collector goes through the control coil (50 turns coil). Thats all.

Tomorrow, as said, you will have a better picture and a little test. With this next test you will have a lot of fun.

Otto
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 06:03:59 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 11, 2007, 06:43:43 PM
@All,
The best team is made up of the widest diversity, the best results are made up of the most cohesive coherance.
@IS,
Thanks for putting your pix up.

--giantkiller. It is a good day to make it the best day!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 07:09:19 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 07:25:13 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 11, 2007, 07:44:07 PM
CONGRATS INNOVATION------- good job  NEVER GIVE UP     I'll be posting some diagrams soon just getting the art work done .  I knew you could sick in there !!  If was easy someone else would be doing it !!    pat on the back there .  YES safty first. Thanks Mike
RUN eddy electron RUN
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 07:52:05 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: MrMag on April 11, 2007, 08:15:27 PM
do not think that just because we know how it works that we have figured it all out!!

there is much more to it than what we have seen so far

ist

Congratulations IS !!
Can you please explain "how it works".
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 08:19:41 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 11, 2007, 08:50:28 PM
Let me put this to any of you as plainly as can be:
There are different stages to this thread:
There are quiet times, individual times, group times, design banter, creation times and times of relevancy. When the group comes together in it's largest coalition that is when the noise appears. It's like we have to be on guard when we come to an agreement. Someone pops up and flicks matches into the mix. At this point in time we all have our ideas and know what is necessary to keep this going. That is enough said. This has no completion and has no stopping point to satisfy all of this. Any one individual should have their place of completion or satisfaction. The outcome of what this device brings has been reiterated many times. We will keep moving on. If you are not in the mix stay out of the bowl. This thread has seen maximum activity in the last 2 weeks and we are moving in a very positive direction for such a diverse group. And that is good. This has all come about by those who have built and contributed their expertise. And that is an even better thing. Let's not cowtow to any noise or invite any negativity into our path.
Let's keep our focus.

--giantkiller. No pop-ups, please.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 11, 2007, 08:51:51 PM

@ grumpy can you explain the hall effect for the people as you are verry knowalegeable
 

when I first read that, I was going to reply with:

"Hall Effect? and I thought it was massless potential"

The Hall Effect, is the variation in voltage potential across a conductor when moving through a perpendicualr magnetic field, or to quote Wilkipedia:

"The Hall effect refers to the potential difference (Hall voltage) on the opposite sides of an electrical conductor through which an electric current is flowing, created by a magnetic field applied perpendicular to the current. Edwin Hall discovered this effect in 1879."

Back to memory again, a magnetic field causes electrons to curve to the side and if the field is strong enough (like in an electron trap) the electrons get stuck in the field and go round and round (Marinov's MAGVID uses this effect to great advantage.)  So, the magnetic field is casuing the electrons to move to the side and this creates the difference in potential that Hall discovered.

What do you really have?  What is the power (current x voltage) in verses the power out?  Making a light get brighter or dimmer is not quantitative unless you are lighting a 110v or 220v bulb off a 9v battery.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 09:05:08 PM
hear is a link of a video explaining the hall effect

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3J_ItiDmnG8



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: weri812 on April 11, 2007, 09:21:10 PM
hi guys

new to posting  but not new to sight.
thanks to gks  file  i now have a  3 layer tpu wired to ottos  specs.
now if one of you all gould  kindly  pm me with a driver diagram. i will try to catch up.

and talk about uses. could put a small unit in an electric stove to cook with, or put one in a heater to warm with. the list can go on. does not  have to be a big one.    LET'S PROGRESS FROM HERE

thanks to all
wer
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on April 11, 2007, 09:43:21 PM
Hi all,

It is good that people are finally seeing the good work that Otto has done.

It was about 7 months ago that he first posted it!

Thanks Jason!

It is a starting gate that we are entering..not the finnish (sorry GK! lol)

Be aware that there are no TPU experts except for perhaps 1 person and I believe that the TPU project was not really finnished ..eg Heat problems,etc.

Carefull experiments and sharing the info is what will work here.

Be advised of just how difficult it is to put simple ideas foward,I use Ottos test as just one clear example.

If you see it as a "cash cow" just rememberer that the technology is already "owned".

Perhaps TPU classes could be something that people might pay you for.... It is early days.

In one way we may be forcing the official release of Stevens discovery. Let's see ...so very  much to learn.


There will be many things to discover and learn, For most of us this is probably the first REAL "new" technology that we have ever really been involved with.


We can all see that just because something is put in our face does not mean that we will be able to comprehend it properly.

It is likley that people will be puttimg themselves in danger as they continue with this..Take personal  responsibility or walk away ..NOW!

Be mindful of people who will drag this thread down and claim to understand TPU's   none of us do.....YET.
Me?? I just KNOW they work.

We are however, killing each other over oil. and gassing ourselves to death in the process.That I do understand!

Take care of each other,


Lindsay Mannix



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 10:24:11 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 11, 2007, 10:28:17 PM
hi guys

new to posting  but not new to sight.
thanks to gks  file  i now have a  3 layer tpu wired to ottos  specs.
now if one of you all gould  kindly  pm me with a driver diagram. i will try to catch up.

and talk about uses. could put a small unit in an electric stove to cook with, or put one in a heater to warm with. the list can go on. does not  have to be a big one.    LET'S PROGRESS FROM HERE

thanks to all
wer

And those forward looking statements are exactly what are expected. Does anyone see these hanging on a wall as a air core speaker? Or as dymanic art or mood generator? Trash anihilator, Some kind of molecular inhibitor or exciter?

--giantkiller. The fun is just beginning.
Title: Wire.
Post by: FatBird on April 11, 2007, 11:21:19 PM
I seem to see more posts saying that Green Iron Garden Wire works better for the Collector Coil than copper does.  Am I right on that because I am really stuck?

Thanks.

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ChemTrails, ChemTrails, What's in your Sky?
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: weri812 on April 11, 2007, 11:29:20 PM
hy mannix and gk  and all

have a look at this for cooling

http://gruntville.com/reviews/wc/vm_pcice/page2.php

could use with hi temp teflon tubes nonconductive and non magnetic

wer
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 11:40:43 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 11, 2007, 11:46:23 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 12, 2007, 12:06:14 AM
@innovation ---Wound counter clock wise ? not sure ........... heres a wire layout that i came up with. The orange circles are wires that may not be used but put them in for future reference. I tried to keep things color coded to make it easier to follow. any feed back will be appreciated. this is on a two coil TPU - the bottom coils need to be shifted to center up on the top coils. It was just easier to draw it this way.         @ otto - thank you , In my early days of Ham radio it comes back to me seems we built this coil to boost our antena output , was just a cheep way to do it we were poooo back then LOL. There are just so many post I missed it and some times i don't log on so i didn't see  the JGP image. thanks again Mike
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: aluka on April 12, 2007, 12:18:33 AM
the hall effect is a verz important issue. The big generator had a metal plate underneath ...aluminium? it has a positive charge -  while coper is negative
Coper:-5,3?10-11 m3/C.
Aluminium: +9,9?10-11 m3/C
Maybee we should try with aluminium wire? or base plate?

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 12:40:57 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: eldarion on April 12, 2007, 01:34:39 AM
I have tried Otto's coil test with a MOSFET-based pulser.  The only thing that happened was that I blew up the MOSFET driver chip! :(

What kind of pulser circuit is supposed to be used here?  An H-bridge?  My MOSFET is just acting like a switch between the 'pulse' connection and ground right now.

It's good to see some action around here; I hope to start contributing soon. ;)

Thanks!

Eldarion
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 12, 2007, 03:22:58 AM
Hall Effect eah? Hmm. who woulda thought.
Title: Wire.
Post by: FatBird on April 12, 2007, 03:25:27 AM
ALUKA SAID:  The hall effect is a verz important issue. The big generator had a metal plate underneath ...aluminium? it has a positive charge -  while coper is negative.

Coper:-5,3?10-11 m3/C. Aluminium: +9,9?10-11 m3/C.

Maybee we should try with aluminium wire? or base plate?
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Good Points.  Here is a VERY interesting video where the Physicist claims that Aluminum has Free Energy properties.


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3017194771837860523&q=William+Lyne&hl=en

He even describes how he got some major OverUnity from a house Watt-Hour Meter that uses an aluminum rotating disc inside. Is it possible that SM used aluminum wire in any of his main coils???


ChemTrails, ChemTrails, What's in your sky?

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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 03:49:28 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: HopeForHumanity on April 12, 2007, 06:00:04 AM
I havn't taken part in this, but it would seem wise if all of the participents locked up real good. Keep something to defend yourself near you all the time.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 12, 2007, 06:04:50 AM
Anonymity is your only defense and that is not enough.

It is harder to control 100 people scattered across the globe than one.

On a separate note:

Read the first 30 post of "turbo" and the file I  posted several times regarding the comments that SM made about Tao's explanation of the TPU.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 06:42:31 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on April 12, 2007, 06:50:10 AM
I havn't taken part in this, but it would seem wise if all of the participents locked up real good. Keep something to defend yourself near you all the time.

Wow you just saved us all.....what weapons would you suggest? ROLF
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 06:57:44 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on April 12, 2007, 07:43:11 AM
well Giantkiller is pretty safe.....
when somebody goes to him he will be facing a collection of stunguns  ;D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 12, 2007, 07:50:36 AM

well Giantkiller is pretty safe.....
when somebody goes to him he will be facing a collection of stunguns  ;D
[/quote]


Now thats funny, I dont care who ya are!

                                                          Git-r-done
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 08:21:08 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 12, 2007, 08:38:11 AM
@Innovation - It's nice you like this forum and it might be a little over your miens of your thought. i do appreciate your tenacity but this is - like - if you do this if you don't know the fr q's your dealing with please leave it alone -- your information might hurt someone , you mean good --- but there some property's that have to be Delta wiTH..@ Grumpy doooo 180 in the azimuth is 30 clocks tell time but if we roll 2 steel cylinders @ 26 TH rpm WE GET Electron repulsion that make the steal ball float .. mmm when i met this physicist at a bar in Boca ration ,Fla i spoke to him about the prodject i was working in. i was firing molecular particles at a furnace rated @ 100,000 DR, HE ASK ME HOW I DID THIS AND I TOLD HIM , in order to get heavy metals out of the atmosphere we need to do some drastic steps. that was more than ten years ago , i said i give you this information so you share this with everyone , well that didn't happen ask OWENS in Atlanta GA. you folks are our future .we need to make our children's future ....big business is bigger than we are .. believe me then there done that  .....greed is our doun fall ......hay papaa we been hosed    daah not again ..........
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 12, 2007, 08:51:07 AM
I havn't taken part in this, but it would seem wise if all of the participents locked up real good. Keep something to defend yourself near you all the time.

Wow you just saved us all.....what weapons would you suggest? ROLF
....dahh well thats simple we just take microwave ciols and aling them 100 dr to 25 drg and skew them back 25 them squat them through a hole in 3 magnets at 180 dr ah amie them at each other (scaler)...... and there you go   no atomic bomb you did yourself in
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 12, 2007, 09:31:57 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 04:48:05 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 12, 2007, 05:29:25 PM
...--..

.. -.. --- -. - ... . . - .... .. ... -.-. --- -.. .

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 05:37:23 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on April 12, 2007, 06:02:53 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: nong on April 12, 2007, 06:12:32 PM
...--..

.. -.. --- -. - ... . . - .... .. ... -.-. --- -.. .

--giantkiller.

That,s good, I never thought of doing it that way----over.

Wow!!!
Waiting for news    ;D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 12, 2007, 06:40:59 PM
...--..

.. -.. --- -. - ... . . - .... .. ... -.-. --- -.. .

--giantkiller.

That,s good, I never thought of doing it that way----over.

Wow!!!
Waiting for news    ;D

Just some Morsels for the code geeks.

--giantkiller.        ...---...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 12, 2007, 06:54:06 PM
Anybody catch the Radiant Energy reference in Sauron's avatar?

Isn't that a 4 leaf clover there also? How about a 4 segment TPU?
What are Qadesh and Anubis holding, personal TPUs?

--giantkiller. You guys sure are clever!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 07:04:05 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on April 12, 2007, 07:42:00 PM
i don't think my avatar is about radiant energy.
i think it's about some sort of tunning forks and harmonics.

let us read some more important words from the intelligent man who did it, again,

Imagine that you have a cannon which fires a projectile at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour.

The amount of energy held in the moving projectile until converted is lets say a figure of
ten.

It will never become more then our figure of ten.

The energy will slowly dissipate until the projectile slows and begins to fall to the ground and it's finale dissipation will occur when it strikes the earth or the object it was aimed at.

Now, we have been told that there will never be more energy available from the projectile other then what was given to it when first fired into the sky, EXCEPT for the following example:

Now, there can be a further dissipation of energy if the projectile was carrying a charge of dynamite to explode on impact as well.

Do you see how the different things all relate here?

Let me expand your mind for a moment....
Suppose that the projectile which you fired was another cannon?
Now you have another cannon traveling at 1000 miles an hour...

Now, if you could fire the second cannon, the projectile coming from it would be traveling at a velocity of 1000 miles an hour after being fired.

However, since the cannon is already traveling at a speed of 1000 miles an hour when you

fire it, the speed of the second fired projectile is essentially now 2000 miles per hour and the energy available to convert from the second projectile, is now twice the ten available from the first projectile!

You now have energy availability of twenty to convert from the second projectile.
Now, what if the projectile fired from the second cannon were another cannon and you fired it.

Since the second cannon is traveling at 2000 miles per hour then the projectile you fire from it would make 3000 miles per hour, and so on and so on....

The energy released from the speed of multiple projectiles increases the energy available to be dissipated upon impact many fold!

The faster the speed of ANYTHING the more energy will be available for conversion.

A long time ago, i said, if you take a bullet and throw it at the side of an automobile it
will bounce off.

However, if you place the bullet into a gun and fire it at the automobile it, with sufficient velocity, go through the metal door and through the other side because of the inertia energy inertia energy available for conversion.

Speed is energy if you can convert the mass into energy quickly enough!
Anything no matter how small can store enough energy to convert into huge amounts of energy.

Even electrons.....................................

Now, electrons can travel only so fast along the surface of the wire because of magnetic

flux.
what if you disable the effects of the flux? disable the effects of the flux?

My unit operates on these principles.

Now the electrons float freely without anything holding them back.
electrons at the sped of light are now a possibility!
How much energy can be converted from a stream of electrons traveling close to the speed of light?

My unit operates on these principles.

Think of this:
Energy conversion is different when you consider speed.
12 volts at 100 amps is slow and the energy can not dissipate quickly enough to kill you by discharge.

But, it is a lot of energy especially if converted to speed.
Reduce that 100 amps to 100 mA but increase the voltage (speed) to 100,000 volts and you can electrocute someone!

My unit operates on these principles.

Think about all those frequencies traveling inside the collector coil and how they interact.....

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: rapttor on April 12, 2007, 07:42:31 PM
.. -.. --- -. - ... . . - .... .. ... -.-. --- -.. .
--giantkiller.
[/quote]
.--- --- .. -. - .... . -.-. .-.. ..- -...

You never cease to amaze me, nice!
Title: GK Said.
Post by: FatBird on April 12, 2007, 07:44:07 PM
Is that xistors GK is referring to?



ChemTrails, ChemTrails, What's in your sky?
Google it.


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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on April 12, 2007, 07:46:11 PM
...- --- .-.. - .- --. .   .. ...   ... .--. . . -..
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: rapttor on April 12, 2007, 08:04:50 PM
...- --- .-.. - .- --. .   .. ...   ... .--. . . -..

- .... .- -. -.- ... ..-. --- .-. . -..- .--. .- .. -. .. -. --. ... .- ..- .-. --- -.
- .... .- - -- .- -.- . ... ... . -. ... .

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 12, 2007, 08:36:23 PM
morse code, i'm rusty
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: rensseak on April 12, 2007, 08:46:45 PM
well fokes it seams i donot understand your geek language!

im no coder

ist

 
-.--  ---  ..-  /  .-..  ---  ---  -.-  /  ....  .  .-.  .

http://www.scout.ch/peter&paul/morse.htm (http://www.scout.ch/peter&paul/morse.htm) 8)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: aluka on April 12, 2007, 09:23:12 PM
The different TPU's of steven Have differend windings, there is the open one from the garage with 4 upright inner coils and 2 rings and a center coil?. The very small one is closed ( Aluminium Plate? ) with a tiny hole. The big one is mounted on a steel or aluminium plate. mmmh.... someone did a drawing of the magnetic flux? i Think where we have to start.
here is a simple one ( 3D Maxwell is better of course). How has the the fow to bee to have a magnetic Vortex?

why Aluminium? if you wind 22rounds of coper 6 inch diam. place it on a heavy Aluminium Plate and plug it into 110 AC it floats!!! it hovers over the plate ( and get hot....)(http://)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 09:44:57 PM
@aluka


that is a real intresting picture you have drawn there


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on April 12, 2007, 09:50:37 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 12, 2007, 10:17:40 PM
thanks i played the little morse code game   sub speed in the text to..... and that is the key?

just incase anyone liked my thoughts then remember to save them becaust there gone!!

i can proudly say i no longer care how the hell this thing works there is too much bullshit with it to care any more

hell with it

ist

Alot of us have been here a long time and every so often a little geek comedy pops up. We like to have fun also. So enjoy it. Things aren't that bad that we have to beat our brothers about the shoulders. Who here would like to be judged?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 12, 2007, 10:24:15 PM
IS,

For one thing... Don't expect to get anything out of any new technology without persistence. You seem to throw in the towel waay to quickly. You will only know what is true and what is not by performing your own experiments. This is all about empirical testing here. Yes it would be great if we could all pin-point the exact nature of the energy source and predict its behavior before testing, but what if we can't? The point here is that we can characterize the thing after we get it running. No time for armchair theorizing. We just need to roll up our sleeves and put in some time on the lab bench. Learn from what others have done and go from there. We have all made a lot of progress. We just need to work with what effects we have seen so far and go from there.

Nobody said it would be easy....

Now with that being said. there is something that everyone here needs to pay close attention to. When you make your coils, be sure to tune them Mass to Mass. What does this mean? Look at Sauron's avatar again. Those tuning forks mean a whole lot more than RE. Try NMR. Nuclear magnetic resonance. That's what causes one tuning fork to hum when another tuned one is placed next to it. Look into it and you might be surprised at what you find... Just think, if one could make a piece of wire do what those tuning forks do... Levitation? Inertial effects? Gyroscopic effects? 7.8 Hz locked resonance maybe....

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: weri812 on April 12, 2007, 10:28:18 PM
am i thinking too hard on this ? is it just the hall effect and nothing more? or is it a combination of my earlyer thoughts

are we harvesting kicks and all that crazy stuff

where is everyones thoughts

i have seen none

ist

Sauron has made it clear,  and you have to unlearn in order to learn.
 (this concept is not a toy, and won,t be spelled out for all to see)
i for one was offinden by joe comment.
i work every day  have a wife and 3 kids, make less than 25 grand a year and because i dont have a degree in electronic  does not make  me a less a man.  so i need the clear instructions to build  one or more of these because i need them  and do not need to be a slave to the  economy.  with proper instructions i can build one!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks
wer
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 12, 2007, 10:37:35 PM
Let this be known:
When this device is totally described, the building will be disseminated to those that can. It is bound to happen. Everbody has a place in the scheme of things. Patience is the key. What are you waiting for? The description to be finalized with the right steps.

For those on the forefront: Are we not bustin' our butts? Late nights, lack of sleep, lots of conferences, buying parts, scoping shots, confering results, winding coils, testing, it goes on.

--giantkiller. This project will progress to fruition.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 12, 2007, 11:00:03 PM
IS,

Here is the bottom line. We are all here to help eachother. There are no teachers and no moochers, only collaborators. So if you don't share the same point of view, then I would say that it is not worth your time and energy to spend on this. However, if you are genuinely interested in pursuing this with the rest of us, then by all means do so. But trust me, there is a LOT more work going on here in the background then what you see being posted...

That you can be sure of...

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 11:14:24 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: weri812 on April 12, 2007, 11:16:08 PM
hi is
 thanks   if you belive in the tech then hang in there.  
 thanks to gk i have a tpu put togeather  i will post a picture  when i get home.  i do not have a driver board    i did ask  for some help on that, got no answer.  i have to work on this real slow  because i have no funds  so it will take me awile to build a board.  i have read all 100 pages  here, and all  47 pages of tao post, all 147 pages of sm post so i am not new to this sight.  i also have all of is's post and otto's. so i am not leaving.

so with the help from this board and othe  sites i will  have one  in dew time

wer
 
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 12, 2007, 11:46:24 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on April 12, 2007, 11:51:20 PM

fallow otto as he can speak of it and he has serval working tpu's

ist

Quite intresting..... can Otto confirm this?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: weri812 on April 13, 2007, 12:00:11 AM
hi is

thank again

otto confirm

the tpu is not the only project i am working on. working on a tesla turbine and a 10kw gen set.  if the tpu was working i would not need a gen set. all so working with hydrogin on demand.

wer
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 13, 2007, 12:05:33 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 13, 2007, 12:17:57 AM
Hi IS,

I do agree with you. There is a lot of information on this thread that could be misleading to many newcommers. I would, however, be very interested in hearing about what geometry you believe is the best. As far as I can tell, you seem to like the design that Turbo has made. Were you able to get any interesting effects out of it?

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 13, 2007, 12:25:44 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on April 13, 2007, 12:27:06 AM

 i for one was offinden by joe comment.
i work every day  have a wife and 3 kids, make less than 25 grand a year and because i dont have a degree in electronic  does not make  me a less a man.

thanks
wer

hi, maybe it is safer for you to wait untill they reach the surface and you can buy one thats safe, maybe even be alot cheaper too.


you now own yourself a wrong tpu form all the missleading garbage around here

is TEAM!!


i am continiously repeating Steven the inventor his own words....not mine ,do you really think he is misleading us?


@ sauron remove my words from your quote


i think the only misleading garbage around here is posted by you....

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 13, 2007, 12:38:51 AM
hi is
 thanks   if you belive in the tech then hang in there.  
 thanks to gk i have a tpu put togeather  i will post a picture  when i get home.  i do not have a driver board    i did ask  for some help on that, got no answer.  i have to work on this real slow  because i have no funds  so it will take me awile to build a board.  i have read all 100 pages  here, and all  47 pages of tao post, all 147 pages of sm post so i am not new to this sight.  i also have all of is's post and otto's. so i am not leaving.

so with the help from this board and othe  sites i will  have one  in dew time

wer
 

Hi,
A simple drive circuit would a 555 thru a 1k down to 50 ohm resistor to the controls in a series or bucking config. Put a scope on it and change the freqs. I would love to see your pics. This set up would be cheap to do if you have a scope. Other wise it is impossible. It is not whether your attempts are right or wrong it is that you tried.

The latest experiment is:
The total controller length matches the collector length or some multiple there of. Why? We are getting to match the two coil weights. Some snipping or clipping would occur. Count your turns. Why? resonance rise.
I prefer what @IS has physically because that is the config of the GK4 also. Fat collectors with low gauge controllers. It still follows Otto's circuit with the coil around the same input line. It produces kicks. I have seen this on a number of scopes around the world. And even those that don't post scope shots have said the same thing.

Look at the pvc based ring that I posted. The vertical one is a matching collector. The scope goes on that one. When you see kicks in the secondary collector ring you will have reached a resonant frequency.

I also am going to attach inline little coils that match Ottos last coil schematic. These will be placed at the control coil junctions. It has been shown to raise the kick effect in other circuits.

But I am going to wire up another ring of 14awg Easyflow stranded collector on a 4" pvc ring then 30awg collector coils. These will all match in some multiple of weight. The length only gets the mass equalization close. Snipping will occur.

@IS coil is interesting in that the multiple controller coils were all wired in a bucking config. Is was shown at one time that way. My GK4 is that way and produced hi rf and microwave. Others have experienced this also.

Parts of this experiment are really quite inexpensive to do. This will be my task for this weekend. I love the challenge. This brings everybody up to the mark.

@To all,
Avoid the noise and be cool. We have no respectful leaders at the helm.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 13, 2007, 12:43:09 AM
@ sauron that might be true but was not done with that intent! i am just trying to sift through all the clutter that is hear to find the real info as everyone else is too and it is not an easy job

i erase my posts  well what i can in case it is wrong but i lay my thoughts on the line so all can see and decide for there selfs

im only guessing  and picking out what makes sence to me and sharing

i dont dubt im wrong

as im sure we all have been wrong b4

please STOP QUOTING MY WORDS  i quote no one 

i share what i think
that is all

sorry for the problems i caused!

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on April 13, 2007, 12:49:08 AM

wait fore some one who has a working unit and will share the info as you in fact can not

is

you do that... i call it the easy way.

@ Giant youre right once again, be cool and avoid the noise.

or would that be, get it hot with alot of noise......
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on April 13, 2007, 12:54:14 AM
Far to much clutter. So stop posting it.
Get back on the damn bench.
When  you have something that is important
to add than do so, until then stop the damn
spam and clutter.


I will be sending out a few messages soon.

IronHead

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on April 13, 2007, 12:57:31 AM
well is it okay to keep looking at what steven told us?

However, the music will not be of high quality. 
The music will be lacking in response and timbre, etc

It is important that you note that you can never tune too closely to the exact frequencies of power conversion because the power received by the collector will instantly destroy it.

We instead must deliberately tune off the frequencies of conversion in order to make the thing properly work.  Remember that it is like a furnace which feeds itself.  The hotter it gets the more fuel it gives itself to burn.

seems hot and noisy to me  :)


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 13, 2007, 01:03:14 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on April 13, 2007, 01:15:28 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: weri812 on April 13, 2007, 01:37:31 AM
ok folks

i am back 
i am at home here is my ring.
yes joe point taken.   but i am  not that kid  i blow up hydrogen  all the time so i know how dangerous all of it can be.     if i want to be safe i would not leave home.
 i am not trying to make anybody mad i want to learn.  and gk no i dont have a scope can no afford one at this time

thanks again  is  i will look at thoses files.

wer
 
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 13, 2007, 01:41:25 AM
Hey! I got that same wood floor.  Mine must be 50+ years old - the creaks give it personality.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 13, 2007, 01:43:49 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: weri812 on April 13, 2007, 01:48:44 AM
hi is

seen that one 
now that is what i need to be working with  in stead of the bigger one

wer
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 13, 2007, 01:48:57 AM
That was Dave of CTG Labs.  I thought the bulb was a trick LED bulb.

Turbo's vid is in the first post (very bottom) at the start of the Turbo thread.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 13, 2007, 01:56:56 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 13, 2007, 02:28:46 AM
And the final answer is: 'There are no sparks'.

A well tuned beast spits fire. It is even written in the heiroglyphics that way.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 13, 2007, 02:31:46 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: weri812 on April 13, 2007, 02:34:13 AM
i agree with you is

the small one should have been put out there so we all could work on it.

then we all gould have learned  from it.

i just looked at turbo's ring.  now that looks simple and can be expanded on

@ grumpy

that floor was made in 1943

wer

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: starcruiser on April 13, 2007, 03:09:45 AM
Guys,

Grumpy is right that is not a working unit!

Turbo's is based on a Tesla Magnifying Transmitter design, it is not the same! It does work but he used a transmitter that was not shown, the device you see is a receiver.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 13, 2007, 03:31:46 AM
I have some T220 SMP60N03 has anyone tried these. there sold by Mouser , any feed back would be helpful Thanks mike.     @GK yea some humor is in order some times.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 13, 2007, 03:33:13 AM
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.970.html

read it again and again, over, and over. till you get it. how many times do we need to see it? :o ??? ::)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 13, 2007, 03:36:50 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on April 13, 2007, 03:41:18 AM
Turbos and Daves videos were not tpu's


They used a hidden wire for hf coupling.
Judge it as you like but I have noticed that when people get frustrated
 and they want to quit, they often want to tease everybody in some trick kinda like dropping a bomb on people's ideas as they depart..You will see it here from time to time. I see it a bit now.

If your frustration level is high please just give yourself a break and dont let the stress get to you. Work at a slower and more carefull pace. It is amazing how , if you can blow the cobwebs out one in a while things seem so different. It takes time.  

When you get upset, and you will, remember that it is not about YOU. Have a break!

Others will follow up and may need you later.

Mean time be nice to each other , this is not and never will be a one person effort.
Lindsay


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 13, 2007, 06:16:17 AM
Where did "turbo" say that his tpu was powered by an external source?

It is my understanding that Dave used a trick LED bulb.  Turbo's bulb was out of his kitchen.

However, he did state that SM took the long road and that there is an easier way.

Mannix, you refuse to believe that there is more than one "Master of the TPU", yet it is true.

The only explanation of the working principle of the TPU that SM has offered was his comments on Tao's explanation, which I collected and posted a couple of months ago.  With the operating priciples defined, anyone can do it.  Turbo offered up an explanation of Tesla's effect that was originally published by Tom Bearden - The tale of the bird on the high voltage line. Google that and read about "massless potential".

SM was not the first, is not the only, and will not be the last to harness this.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 13, 2007, 06:47:54 AM
Your kidding right? remember the 800 Amphour battery in the turbo thread? wouldnt that be an external source? The turbo ring is not an SM devise,, Its nifty. but not a tpu. just my .02 think as you wish. ::)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 13, 2007, 06:52:45 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on April 13, 2007, 07:32:03 AM
Where did "turbo" say that his tpu was powered by an external source?

It is my understanding that Dave used a trick LED bulb.  Turbo's bulb was out of his kitchen.

However, he did state that SM took the long road and that there is an easier way.

Mannix, you refuse to believe that there is more than one "Master of the TPU", yet it is true.

The only explanation of the working principle of the TPU that SM has offered was his comments on Tao's explanation, which I collected and posted a couple of months ago.  With the operating priciples defined, anyone can do it.  Turbo offered up an explanation of Tesla's effect that was originally published by Tom Bearden - The tale of the bird on the high voltage line. Google that and read about "massless potential".

SM was not the first, is not the only, and will not be the last to harness this.

Grumpy
Please if you have any information on another person who is alive and willing to help us along with some info on another device, and yes I'm sure there were or are others, please start a thread for it.

Any Info that I have provided from Steven is in the best of intent including the Tao info.. The Turbo duo were being misleading...checky at best!... FACT.

I am only tring to help.

In my eyes their actions  did not respect what Steven Mark had achieved...the opposite was the case. Just MY opinion that's all.
Turbo did not post it himself that was stefan...then along the ball rolled gathering size and speed.


I understand why and I hope that others can see it happening to them when and if  it does.  

In the very first page of this whole section 14 months ago  I state that "many have discovered it before". Your judgment of my refusal to believe is in itself confusing to me .
I am willing to believe that I do not know many things. I am certain that I will find out more things. Its happeniong all the time . Even now.

Working principals???

The cannons?
The Water hose
The catalyst release?
Even My king story is not very far off
Then theres the carl story...

They all make sence to somebody who already has the knowledge but the reverse is not necessarily the case.

I hope that this may be of some assistance to you at this time.


Both turbo and dave have done and are still doing some good work.
Perhaps they wouldn't mind commenting on this.

Once again I am sorry for anybody who was mislead by those naughty boys.
I did comment at the time you know...but as usual.. well

I will take a break for a while now. Take care and get up to speed with Otto.



Lindsay


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: turbo on April 13, 2007, 07:42:28 AM
yes, it is true my coil was not a tpu.

this coil belongd into the transformer setup thread...

making progress was verry slow those day's and it looked liked the forums were dying, there was not anybody posting for days.
so i decided to try and spice things up a bit by showing a seemingly working coil so more people would start to build coils and we all would have the awnser...it did happen only what i did not know then was the design was wrong.
now this was all a bit stupid from me to do because now i see it created more confusion then coil builders.
all i can say about that is i am sorry.
i also asked the webmaster to move the thread but for some reason it stayed over here.
but this is the LOTR thread and things are diffrent over here....

Turbo
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on April 13, 2007, 07:46:10 AM
Hello all,

a nice discussion. Just a few words. Hmmm, how to say it......if you are building TPUs and you use plastic rings to have a guide for your collectors DONT USE PLASTIC. This plastic will melt!!! Thats for sure!!!  Yes, I said it in a nice way,ha,ha. There could be a high temperature....


Otto

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 13, 2007, 07:49:06 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on April 13, 2007, 07:51:49 AM
Hello Turbo,

please dont feel sorry. Its your picture that I saw and decided to built a TPU. This was a long time ago. With your setup I made every possible connection, builded I dont know how many versions, burned I dont know how many transistors but....

I only can say THANK YOU TURBO!!!!!!

Why???   Guess!!!!

Regards

Otto
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: turbo on April 13, 2007, 07:56:53 AM
just to let you guy's know my latest view on the tpu is very much like the model of Esa Maunu.

it goes about Phonon boson and Higgs boson interactions and energy conversion in TPU.
now at first this all sounded like being too difficult in my ears but it turned out to be quite easy...
here is a post i made on another forum a few day's back:

okay so let's say we have a ambient potential of 300 volts per meter.

the most simple coil would have 3 control coils. output in the 200 volt range
the more advanced model which was cut to pieces had 5 control coils. output in the 500 volt range
the most and biggest ring had 7 control coils. output in the 800 volt range

so basicly because of the prime numbers  and perfect harmonics the creation of a magnetic field inside the coils is impossible.

we are thus cancelling the magnetic flux of whatever is magnetic in that area including the (electro)magnetic field of the earth.
this is also why the control units have to be inside the ring.
on the outside there will form magnetic rings.

if i understand correctly because of these "black holes" for lack of a better description, opens up a gate to the ambient potential charged particles to enter the ring but not allowed to escape.
then when they enter next ring they will accelerate and in the next ring again and so on untill they hit the material that is acting as an reciever,the collector.

so the capturing of the flow of charged particles slowly starts and winds up as more and more particles enter the "black hole"




Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 13, 2007, 08:46:47 AM

 i for one was offinden by joe comment.
i work every day  have a wife and 3 kids, make less than 25 grand a year and because i dont have a degree in electronic  does not make  me a less a man.

thanks
wer

hi, maybe it is safer for you to wait untill they reach the surface and you can buy one thats safe, maybe even be alot cheaper too.


you now own yourself a wrong tpu form all the missleading garbage around here

is TEAM!!


i am continiously repeating Steven the inventor his own words....not mine ,do you really think he is misleading us?


@ sauron remove my words from your quote


i think the only misleading garbage around here is posted by you....



!!! ;) !!!   
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 13, 2007, 09:06:43 AM
Ok everyone, enough banter and din. Let?s get back to the good stuff :).

I have posted below tons and tons of scope shots from my revamped Otto coil test. I connected everything exactly as laid out in his diagram and used a single frequency pulsed into the coil @ 25V from my power supply (I varied between 0 and 25 for testing also). The DC bias was provided by a 9V battery and I used a 2KOhm resistor to take all of the scope shots across. I also connected the 12V bulb across (which shined brightly) but could not make any noticeable comparisons since the bulb was already lit nicely. Below I show various scope shots of the output across the resistor using positive pulses, negative pulses, pulses with and with out the DC bias, and the same sets at 55kHz and 1MHz.

The most interesting thing I noted was that the pulses only seemed to grow large when pulsed with the negative lead from my pulse circuit. The DC bias is definitely modifying the pulses!

As a note, when pulsing the coil from the positive side, the ground lead from my pulse circuit was connected to the junction where the collector wire ties in with the coil.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 13, 2007, 09:14:30 AM
Now that the one frequency test is completed. It's time to kick it up a notch. I just finished making my new and improved three-channel harmonic pulser; powered by a single function generator input and frequency divided by two J-K flip-flops for percision frequency alignment.

Now it's just time for the smoke test  ;D.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 13, 2007, 09:26:13 AM
Hi Otto,

Are the results I'm seeing correct? What is the next step of experimentation that you wanted to show us all? I'll be ready to go on it anytime :).

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: otto on April 13, 2007, 11:22:33 AM
Hello Jason,

Im posting at master of magnetics.

Otto
Title: Jdo300 Scope.
Post by: FatBird on April 13, 2007, 03:16:28 PM
Jdo300,  Please post the make & model number of your flat screen scope.

Thank you.



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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 13, 2007, 04:52:35 PM
Hi FatBird,

I bought the scope on eBay for $369.00. It's very nice except that the screen doesn't have the fastest refresh rate in the world. It's great for the price though. You can see all the specs for it here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/New-OWON-PDS5022S-Portable-Color-Digital-Oscilloscope_W0QQitemZ300100592371QQihZ020QQcategoryZ104247QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Here's a link to the manual for the scope, which includes all the specs:

http://www.saelig.com/downloads/pds5022s.pdf

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: weri812 on April 13, 2007, 07:31:43 PM
hi  is

wer
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 13, 2007, 07:59:07 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 14, 2007, 05:27:32 PM
Dude! Everybody is welcome. We've all had a training period here.

@eldarion

how about this
@weri812

I'm sorry, I don't see the difference? ???  I must be missing something (not the first time!) ;)

The difference is pictorially slight but a magtitude of difference electrically.
In the 2nd diagram the signal runs in 2 paths. A field is created around the center signal line. Any one who has achieved kicks knows this circuit. The GK4 is wired in the first step as Tesla's 390721 transformer (bucking field coils). These are the control coils. That I wrapped that configuration around iron wire which creates a configurable iron core for the control coils. Just like the second diagram. And per Otto's jumpering the iron cores become the collectors that are the internal feed of the the initial signals. But what this configuration does is feed a dissimilar frequency into the core from another control coil signal. The GK4 rendition could not reach over unity. The controller and collector masses are different.
What has been seen by more than just I is that when the masses are very close, a single frequency is all that is needed to produce resonance, hamonics and beautiful kicks with ringings. The Radiant energy component shows up also in the scope shots.
Now the GK4 is a gross example of the signal line coils fed back through its own collector (self). Moab's, Danswaay's, JDO300's, Otto's, and IS's smaller experiments show this explicitly in a less complicated format.
I will use Sauron's collector loop with all the black bobbins for this next explanation. Instead of driving all these coils seperately like a motor controller would do, we connect all these coils as a single controller but all bucking. Just like IS had done with his BLACK HOLE SUN. I think he knows what he is talking about here. If the mass is matching in that coil then it is appropriately named. You drive this with one frequency and what is impressed upon the collector must drive it crazy! Not to mention the flux collisions that are there.
Definately a Radiant energy pump. 90 degree coupling? Forget what you know. And when this thing ramps up think of the magnetic mess in the center! You would have unlike charges racing towards the center to attract! Can I get an Amen brother?
And your clue for the day is: There is another musical indentifier (Soundgarden).

In diags the signal is 100khz. It probably matches up with the 50 turns.

--giantkiller.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 14, 2007, 05:53:02 PM
There is a small DC wiggle on our scopes just before or just after the Kick this i think is the RE coming back into the coils after the pulse is gone. There is still a little bit of the mag field left but the pulse or more accurately (Impulse) we sent is gone , This is the hard part to time right. you have to kick it in the pants again before the magfield is completely gone and just after the pulse you sent is dissipated, But not during this small DC wiggle. When you do this just rite the magfield resonates and the flux in the center of your coils is very strong and begins to rotate, It is this rotation of the magfield that causes voltage. or speed as GK said in morse code the other day. But your timing has to be just right. with out a scope your shooting in the dark.

my useless .02 ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 14, 2007, 06:06:54 PM
Simple little sine waves cause rogue waves.

The group advances while the masses are left clueless and without understanding,,, So be it.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: nong on April 14, 2007, 06:10:10 PM
Hi Folk,

@GK,
 
Please explain, if you'd like
"What has been seen by more than just I is that when the masses are very close....."
Do you mean iron and copper?

Sorry, I'd double post.
nong
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 14, 2007, 06:10:25 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 14, 2007, 06:15:04 PM
Hi Folk,

@GK,
 
Please explain, if you'd like
"What has been seen by more than just I is that when the masses are very close....."
Do you mean iron and copper?

Sorry, I'd double post.
nong


If my memory serves me right I am the only one with iron collectors. Maybe now you too? But look at the circuit coil fed back down thru its center. Copper on copper is what everybody else has. Besides if it's all one wire what do you have? copper/copper. But if you used iron core it is ok. It is the coil's winding that is being shown here.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: nong on April 14, 2007, 06:22:45 PM
@GK,

I have iron collector  ;D 
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 14, 2007, 06:27:46 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 14, 2007, 06:29:42 PM
@GK,

I have iron collector  ;D 

You got scope and signal source, like 555?

--giantkiller?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: nong on April 14, 2007, 06:42:00 PM
@GK,

Long holiday here,  my friend lab is close.  not try yet.
I have CD4011 and TIP35, couldnt find tip41 here.
I'll let you know when I scope the ring. tks

nong
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 14, 2007, 07:15:36 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 14, 2007, 07:21:41 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: aluka on April 14, 2007, 07:38:54 PM
Does someone a coil design with Ansoft Maxwell 3D ?

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 14, 2007, 07:56:00 PM
Hello all,

@GK

just 1 question, if allowed:

Why do you use IRON?????

Otto

Because SM said bailing wire. That enabled something very new to show up. The control coil became an iron core transformer. The core became a conductor that became the collector that is squeezed by the magnetic field of the control coil. Do you all see the cannon ball effect now? And that is why the coil diagram you posted is so important and that is why the effects were so profound in the GK4. Could it be done with copper? Possibly. The current focus is that infolded coil. JDO300 showed results from that same configuration months ago only the coil wasn't feed back through the middle.

SM has always posted well hidden clues if not specific opportunities  blatantly. I have been very Sherlock Holmes like in my analysis with what I have seen on these threads. He's is an audio engineer. How do you think I came up with the microphones pointing in the speaker? He used a tube amp to begin with. Why? It was readily available in his pile of stuff. Did it work? You betcha. Everytime I grab a DVM do I explain how good it is? Nope. Throw it on the bench and turn it on. Remember the dolphins wave picture? They don't ride the boat, they are pushed by the effect of the boat pushing the water. It is effortless. That was the answer I got back. I have posted alot of these analogies. Some gotten, some not. This cat and mouse game is thick. I love the hunt.

I will post this over in LOTR also.

--giantkiller. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 14, 2007, 08:27:39 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 14, 2007, 09:26:21 PM
@ gk have you figured out the avitar yet???


i have!!!


who wants to know what it means?

look at the forks apply that to the tpu what do you get?

think freq and ressanace with in the collectors!



ist

The outer most prongs represent the control coils and the inner most prongs represent the collectors with a 2:3 something ratio.
Or the left fork is the transmitting freq and the right fork is the receiving resonant wave. I also see the reflective waves are only in the middle.
And tell me that wasn't photoshopped in. This also tells me the hieroglyphic writings inside the pyramids were made using tpus and light bulbs. Who would figure?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 14, 2007, 09:44:13 PM
 ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 14, 2007, 09:47:18 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 14, 2007, 09:51:52 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 14, 2007, 09:53:24 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 14, 2007, 10:13:43 PM
 :) i'm done ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 14, 2007, 10:29:03 PM
Boys, boys. Do I need to slap you both and send you 2 to your rooms without supper?

Don't make come out there and put a whoopin on ya! 'Cause I'll do it.

--giantkiller. If this is my thread does that make me the parent?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 14, 2007, 10:30:43 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 14, 2007, 10:34:56 PM
do you all not see this is a game!!

if i let the answers out b4 there time what fun was it this is why i had my problems with my computer since i removed my thoughts they have stoped

it is a game!

think about it

ist

I always knew that! And I do know that those special people post under multiple handles to keep their status low.
I also have non-posters in the background watching as my backup in case anything should go wrong with the government or MIBs.

--giantkiller. Covered. Because death is final.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 14, 2007, 10:42:07 PM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 14, 2007, 11:02:15 PM
please  have a closer look at the forks here is a  blowen up pic

ist
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: IronHead on April 14, 2007, 11:10:02 PM
Slow down "innovation station " you are starting to cause problems and anger on this forum.

Don't make me say it again.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 14, 2007, 11:15:42 PM
i am sorry that is not at all my intent in trying to help

i can not help it if i look at things diffrently than most it is me it always been my way to look and discover

what can i say



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 15, 2007, 12:01:19 AM
now let us have a closer look at the forks here is a  blowen up pic

also that is why i  aksed people to remove my quotes from there posts i want no trouble from me helping you

i would build this all by my self but i have no money for the special tool that make this easyer so all i can do is help all of you as i can not build it safely

back to the forks gk what do you see?

ist
I also see a center taped coil horizontally.
Could also be a triangle wave.
I will have to get the frequencies for this next one but it looks like a transition from the note A to C for a harmonic jump.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 15, 2007, 12:03:12 AM
Thank you GK for the great room but some people can't help being just good readers and I'm getting tired of the nonsense the research is hard enought it understand and some posting throw things off and are not relevant to the TPU I'll be posting in ESA's room again THANK you MIKE ...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 15, 2007, 12:13:48 AM
Thank you GK for the great room but some people can't help being just good readers and I'm getting tired of the nonsense the research is hard enought it understand and some posting throw things off and are not relevant to the TPU I'll be posting in ESA's room again THANK you MIKE ...

Sorry to see you go. This type of diatribe has been going on for a year. I only pull facts where I can. I don't have the all the answers but if this is part of the puzzle then we have to play. I have been patient to read as much as I can to get what is relevant. I then post clearly. I have held nothing back. I enjoy this type of crypticity. I will be one of the few to truly understand this technology when we are finished. We are being led to dig deep and respect what we learn. It is a good cause.
Think about the paradigm shift when this technology becomes apparent. That is what Tesla saw. We must go there also.

Come back when you can.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 15, 2007, 07:01:46 AM
 
i found somthing i felt i should share it is a freeware program that turns you computer into a scope

hope it will help some of us poor foke out there have not tryed it but there are many of them out there

hears the link

http://www.electronics-lab.com/downloads/pc/index.html

now if i can just figure out how to use the scope the fun will begin for me .......
it seams birght days are so verry close we do not even know!

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on April 15, 2007, 01:05:42 PM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: nong on April 15, 2007, 01:51:06 PM
@IST,
Thank you. Its very interesting :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on April 15, 2007, 02:40:35 PM
Either you have performed Otto's little test of 7 months ago or you haven't.

Its is that simple really.



Lindsay
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on April 15, 2007, 02:46:05 PM
Hey Joe it looks like you do have a clue to point you in the right direction mechanically :D
Title: Thanks Joe.
Post by: FatBird on April 15, 2007, 02:56:08 PM
Thanks Joe.

Interesting.

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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: bob.rennips on April 15, 2007, 03:30:17 PM
Take a look at this patent:

Patent number: 413353

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm

OR as gyulasun point out if you dont have the TIFF plug in use this link
http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat413353.pdf
(thanks to gyulasun for the above link)

Inparticular take a look at FIGURE 2.

What is interesting is that what is described is a method of converting AC into DC without the use of diodes but using transformers. i.e. of rectifying the AC into rippled DC WITHOUT diodes. Why is this important ? Because this method can recitify as high a voltage as the coils can withstand. In other words where traditional diodes allow momentary reverese currents as the breakdown voltage of the diode is momentarily exceeded (due to small kicks combining into large kicks) this method would not suffer this. The correct combination of coils could allow the kicks to be continually combined to ever larger voltages whilst also allowing for part of the circuit to be DC and hence one of the coils to have Dc current.

Now obviously in the TPU we have coils wrapped on coils, connected in parallel and in serial, there is transformer action, even though this is not the direct way of working of the device.

Consider, if the correct operation of the TPU requires exceeding high peak voltages to be used AND it requires that certain coils are predominantly high voltage DC in nature, how would this effect how we perform our experiments ?

What use is a DC coil/solenoid ? Within a DC coil you have a uniform magnetic field in ONE direction. A charged particle that enters this uniform magnetic field at right angles will follow a CIRCULAR PATH.

So imagine this as a possibility:

1. High voltage abrupt 'KICKS' cause radiant energy to be release.
2. Tesla had said himself that this 'energy' felt like being hit by high speed particles, a stinging effect.
3. These particles cause a charging effect on nearby metal. Both Tesla observed this and Steven Marks has warned DONT touch any metal on the device once you think you may have some anomalous event.
4. If these charged particles enter a high intensity uniform magnetic field they will go round in a CIRCLE.
5. Circular rotating charges will by defintion cause a rotating magnetic field.
6. A rotating magnetic field would also be ADDITIVE to the already rotating magnetic field that produces the KICKS. Creating even bigger kicks. Here is a feedback effect that could easily get out of control.

The DC coil is crucial to this theory working.

You could have 1000V DC with 200V AC ripple on it and you would still get the circular rotation of particles. But if you have 150V DC with 200V AC ripple you would not get the rotation of particles.

So you could have everything else perfect but without the DC being right, the device will not operate.

For our experimental and investigation purposes we can however get around this problem. If we separately apply a high (1000V) DC voltage from a high voltage bench power source, to the largest diameter coils, we can mitigate this problem. We can then observe what happens and see if this theory has any merit.

Any comments on this theory ? If moderators think this should be in a separate thread please shout out or transfer this posting to a separate thread.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: bob.rennips on April 15, 2007, 03:32:54 PM
Either you have performed Otto's little test of 7 months ago or you haven't.

Its is that simple really.

Lindsay

For those of us that missed that crucial post, 7 months ago, could you explain Otto's simple test or point to the original posting ? Many thanks.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: bob.rennips on April 15, 2007, 04:04:04 PM
Further to the posting on possible DC coil aspect of the TPU.

Also consider the exploding TV described by Steven Marks.

Could the ciruitry fail in a TV so that the deflection yoke that steers the electron beams or the demagnetisation coil, fail to a state of a continuous DC current applied to one of these coils ? I would say it's possible but not likely. (DC coil effect)

Could the flyback transformer (or other high voltage device) fail in such a way that very high voltage sparks are generated ? I would say that's possible but not likely. (Kicks, Radiant particle effect)

Could the above also concur with the production of a rotating magnetic field ? I would say it's possible but not likely. (Rotating magnetic field).

The combination of events is highly unlikely but again this IS what is observed. Only a very, very small proportion of TV sets have exploded in a bizarre fashion.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 15, 2007, 05:09:20 PM
Further to the posting on possible DC coil aspect of the TPU.

Also consider the exploding TV described by Steven Marks.

Could the ciruitry fail in a TV so that the deflection yoke that steers the electron beams or the demagnetisation coil, fail to a state of a continuous DC current applied to one of these coils ? I would say it's possible but not likely. (DC coil effect)

Could the flyback transformer (or other high voltage device) fail in such a way that very high voltage sparks are generated ? I would say that's possible but not likely. (Kicks, Radiant particle effect)

Could the above also concur with the production of a rotating magnetic field ? I would say it's possible but not likely. (Rotating magnetic field).

The combination of events is highly unlikely but again this IS what is observed. Only a very, very small proportion of TV sets have exploded in a bizarre fashion.


Think about this:
What if the flyback was built using standard transformers. The strange coupling that occurs would be a large field in the field of the yoke and the tube. Basically an open Tesla coil. I mention this because the exploding tv exhibits the same matter in motion that Hutchison's experiments exhibit.

Could the tvs have been recalled very quickly under the guise as a threat to the consumer?

This one has been bothering me ever since I read it. Those of us that have produced kicks and have pets have noticed the animals flee the area. Go figure, eh?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: gyulasun on April 15, 2007, 05:18:12 PM
Hi All,

For those wishing to see Tesla patent 413353 but do not have TIFF picture viewer installed that is needed at the US Patent Office link,  here is another link to see the patent in PDF file format:

http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat413353.pdf

Gyula
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 15, 2007, 07:04:12 PM
Either you have performed Otto's little test of 7 months ago or you haven't.

Its is that simple really.



Lindsay

I am back from camping, my taxes are done, and I would like to get back into the swing of things by attempting otto's little test now.  (I was not a part of this forum seven months ago.)

I have his graphic that shows, "50 turns with the bulb, signal, +12V, and minus."  I also wrote down otto's additional information of 0.5mm diameter [20 AWG] stranded copper wire and IRF840 MOSFET.

It's just... just that I... well, it is embarrassing to point out but I am not sure how to connect the MOSFET into otto's schematic.  Can someone who has had success with this please expand upon otto's schematic to show me how to do this?

Is the signal ground connected to the minus of the bulb or not?

Another thing that I am unsure of is the capacity of the 12V.  Should I use a car battery with that kind of power, string together eight AAA batteries in series, or something in between?  Will one or more 9V batteries connected in parallel work?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 16, 2007, 03:48:10 AM
@everyone this has been the best game i have ever played

 it is turley amazing

 i will be happy when my  sun is shinging bright  ;)

 the best ever

back to my work as i have much to do

the best of luck to all !!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: nong on April 16, 2007, 05:01:14 AM
:)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 16, 2007, 01:31:54 PM
I'm having fun as well !

Build it test it show it when its done. :D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 16, 2007, 03:24:32 PM
While I am waiting for the little coil test circuit and parts details, I decided to try some things myself.  I recycled one of the three core rings from my failed TPU_01.  It has about 300~400 winds of a thin mag-wire around a thick zinc coated iron ring.

Since I am not familiar with the MOSFET, I used my variable 555 timer circuit with a 9V battery.

When I followed Otto's circuit as best as I could, (with an extra normally-open switch between the coil and the +9V,) I found the following: on-switch caused the high frequency +square waves on my scope to go to a high flat line.  Then off-switch caused the waves on my scope to return... but not right away.  I found that the longer I kept the switch on, the longer it took to return to the higher frequency.  I counted seconds: two second of switch-on takes about four seconds to see the one cycle on my scope.  Four seconds of switch-on took eight seconds to return and so on.

In this same configuration above I removed my scope-probe from the timer and connected it to a solar-cell under my bulb, then under a cup to block outside light.  Switch on, the scope line drops about, oh 10%~15% or so.  Then switch-off, the scope line jumps to slightly above it's original position, by about 2%~5%, then comes to rest at the original position.

In another configuration I routed the signal through the coil only and then from the other end of the coil to the core and then from the other end of the core to the bulb and then to common timer ground.

With this second configuration the bulb was dim until I reached a narrow band of frequency/pulse width.  Within this narrow band the bulb blinked from dim to bright at a much much lower frequency than the pulses.

Interesting effects with both configurations.  Is one of these effects the Otto effect, or will I see his effect only after a rigorous 1:1 replication of his setup?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 16, 2007, 04:30:33 PM
Hey Rosphere,

That sounds like an interesting test you did there. Can you draw up and post a circuit diagram for it? I would like to try that out for myself along with Otto's latest circuit diagram.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 16, 2007, 06:45:08 PM
Hey Rosphere,

That sounds like an interesting test you did there. Can you draw up and post a circuit diagram for it? I would like to try that out for myself along with Otto's latest circuit diagram.

God Bless,
Jason O

Really; you want to replicate my mis-replications of Otto's little coil experiment?  :o

Which mis-replication did you want to replicate, J.O., the former, the latter, or both?  :-\

EDIT ONE: Attached both schematics.

EDIT TWO: Attached crude video of schematic on right.  Scope set at 0.2?s/DIV.

EDIT THREE: Attached photos of implementation of schematic on right.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 16, 2007, 10:54:15 PM
pretty nifty Rosphere. I'll try it too! Just for kicks,and harmonic platforming of circuit, Nothing like seeing it. Moab
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2007, 12:23:26 AM
Just thought I would add my .02 here. Something that could not be negated and maybe enlightening, no?

--giantkiller. Too much noise...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on April 17, 2007, 01:35:38 AM
 :)
Title: Coil Capacitance.
Post by: FatBird on April 17, 2007, 01:48:17 AM
================================================

ChemTrails, ChemTrails, What's in your sky?
Google it.

.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 17, 2007, 02:20:14 AM
Attached is another video showing my second mis-replication of Otto's little coil.  After finding the sweet spot, I unplugged the battery, started the video, and plugged the battery back in.

You can see the frequency slowly start to lower before it starts to... throb?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: supersam on April 17, 2007, 03:03:08 AM
 ;D GO RO!!!

CRANK THAT MUTHER UP!!!!!

lol
sam
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 17, 2007, 03:18:06 AM
;D GO RO!!!

CRANK THAT MUTHER UP!!!!!

lol
sam

I have a longer video where I did crank it up.  I tried to upload it three times.  :(
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 17, 2007, 05:40:00 AM
Three in parallel.

Click here to find out how I made the three inner rings. (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2038.0.html)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2007, 05:43:10 AM
And here is the sound file...

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2007, 05:46:38 AM
Anybody seen this SM15 Horse shoe TPU?
I can't find the pic.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 17, 2007, 06:00:09 AM
@ rosphere


have you done otto's test?



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2007, 06:10:18 AM
@Jason,
What is going on here? You say you got great output from your 50 turn coil?

The driving mosfet is not super hot.
in p2p 25v
out p2p 233 volts
200-300 miliamps
frequency between big spikes 2.35 mghz
small waves are 10.8 mghz

The stupid simple signal can create megahertz from a simple 1 time kick on. Can you say switch?

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 17, 2007, 06:16:11 AM
Nice,, ;D thanks for the intertainment.. What a night!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2007, 06:21:22 AM
My compliments to Rosphere and Jason.

And now for the next step. Just press the button!

--giantkiller. Here's your sign.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: gn0stik on April 17, 2007, 06:44:57 AM
Same circuit with a full tpu instead of ottos small 50 turn setup.



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: gn0stik on April 17, 2007, 06:47:53 AM
Oops sorry 50v per div.

And by full tpu, I mean a full ring, and not all three layers.

Posting quickly as stuff is still happening.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2007, 06:48:18 AM
Control tower this is documentor #1. We seem to have a bit of a problem in Ohio. The area seems to be ringing.
We could be reaching critical mass. Do you read me?

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2007, 06:54:50 AM
Oh my God!

Houston, we have 7.8 nirvana!
And the kicks are outta the ball park!
Looks like it's a homer!
This baby is about to take off!

--giantkiller. News after 11:00
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2007, 07:01:18 AM
@all,
This is a live feed from neverwhere, U.S.A.
I feel like I am in a turbine test facility. The roar is deafening. The TPU runs cool.
Moab is lighting a light bulb! No webcam but we trust him!
He sustains shocking also. Quite the heros we have here!

Jason has felt the force now too! He also has self resonance.

Looks like a dream come true. I will never work another day in my life!

--giantkiller. I don't know about the other guys.

p.s. Stay tuned to your local station for upcoming details. Things could still fall out of the sky!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: d3adp00l on April 17, 2007, 07:02:01 AM
Can anyone explain mechincally, what the tpu is supposedly doing. I can't read all the posts a brief recap so everyone can catchup. And a recap on the progress you guys are making. It looks impressive, but a good protion I am missing.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: d3adp00l on April 17, 2007, 07:03:40 AM
If you guys did it, all hats off and appluase is being given. That would be wonderful.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2007, 07:39:10 AM
Oh yeah! we be all up in this.

It is truly a new day!
Jason, Rosphere, Moab, myself, Rich Weber all witnesses to the greatest adventure on the planet!

Thank you everybody who has been so kind enough to give information so freely. And special thanks to Steven Mark, for bringing this to light. Good job Mannix.

Gentlemen, Take a bow. History as we know it is over.

--giantkiller. To the rest of the world: It's our turn now.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: joe dirt on April 17, 2007, 07:45:51 AM
 :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 17, 2007, 07:52:01 AM
i think there many more problems with it to resolve b4 it is over

but wow! we can light a bulb

 
a thought  why dont we all finish the game like some have  and work out the heat problem togather as a team?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: d3adp00l on April 17, 2007, 07:58:44 AM
someone send a letter to coast to coast, email George Noory. diagrams, pics and explainations.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2007, 08:31:45 AM
The generated field does light up a fluorescent light bulb with varying degrees of luminosity.

--giantkiller. More to come.

P.S. Jason had 2 hours of sleep previoulsy and I had 4.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 17, 2007, 08:44:25 AM
Jason-o, Congrats. Glad i was there to see you do it ;) more and more of us every day! :o
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on April 17, 2007, 09:26:40 AM
someone send a letter to coast to coast, email George Noory. diagrams, pics and explainations.
That's the very last thing anybody should do
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: MrMag on April 17, 2007, 09:29:16 AM
I am sorry I have to ask this but, Do you really have a working device or is GK just blowing off at the mouth again?

It would be great if there is something out there or at least some progress in the right direction.
Hat's off to all involved (I hope)

Tim
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 17, 2007, 10:41:30 AM
Hello All,

GK was right. We did all work together tonight and we accomplished a lot. But just to be thurough, I have documented, in detail, the simple circuit I ?accidentally? discovered tonight while playing with Otto?s circuit setup. I have attached photos of the actual setup along with scope shots and a circuit diagram for your replication pleasure.

What I basically discovered is a way to make the IRF840 MOSFET switch itself on and off in a circuit without the need for a constant input frequency!

This happened when I was playing with the gate of the MOSFET in my rendition of Otto?s circuit. He had the output of the frequency generator going straight to the gate of the MOSFET. Traditionally, a small resistor is usually placed there to drain off some of the charge so that the gate can properly be switched on and off. So I simply grabbed a 2KOhm resistor that I had handy and slapped it onto the gate. Unfortunately, the function generator I was using couldn?t pulse the gate hard enough to switch the FET on fast, so I went for a smaller, 200 Ohm resistor instead. When this didn?t work, I had a thought to grab a random capacitor and place this between the Gate and the Source pins. When I fired up the circuit, the MOSFET immediately raced up into the MHz range, and I saw these ginormous spikes showing up on the screen. But I was further delighted when I shut off the function generator and the MOSFET condinued to switch completely on it?s own!

I even completely disconnected the leads from the function gen and the circuit continued to sing happily away?. This was the start off all that GK mentioned above? I?ll give more details about those tests some other time since it is 4:32AM and I haven?t gone to bed yet :(.

But just think! With the proper tuning, we can create the frequencies we need in our TPUs without the need for 555s or function gens! Just a simple Cap and tuned coil is all you need!

I need to make one quick note about the circuit diagram posted below. You don?t need to use a cap at all across the main pulse coil. I just used it because I could, but you at least need a segment of wire there so that the BEMF from the coil will circulate when the MOSFET is switched off. THIS IS IMPORTANT or else it will not work!

To start the circuit, you merely apply a single pulse to charge the gate. Once this happens, it will immediately take off by itself! Don?t believe me. Try it for yourself! You will be quite amazed at the result!

God Bless,
Jason O

P.S. There are some other interesting factors about this circuit that you will notice after running it too :).

EDIT: Fixed the circuit diagram, which was drawn incorrectly
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: gn0stik on April 17, 2007, 03:45:30 PM
Thanks for having me there for this. I'm not sure how much I contributed, but It was thrilling night of discovery. Very exciting indeed.

To be fair, I still think we need to reproduce Ronotte's experiments in order to suss out what's going on, he's got some very promising and exciting results as well.

SM said there could be many ways to wire these things up, and it seems the universe is lining up right now, and giving several people results at the same time.

Oh, and no coast to coast AM stories. I have to agree with Mannix that that would not be a prudent maneuver.

Also, GK, I have to say, you seem a lot saner when I'm actually talking to you (not to single you out or anything, we're all a bit nutty). Seems much of the silly you put on is just in your posts, I'm glad to have worked with you last night, and everyone else, nice to have met you and worked with you. Hope to do it again soon.

Rich.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 17, 2007, 04:10:33 PM
if i could add ......

this is the device of a 1000 styles

@ everyone who has not  DO OTTO'S TEST so you  can move on to the next step

the "GAME"  is .....

right hear this thred LOTR  read and reread agin until you understand

@ all the thinkers out there PLEASE PLAY THE GAME

 
one more thing LET US ALL THANK HIM
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 17, 2007, 04:14:57 PM
@ Rich.Nice to work with you too .

@All. Be careful doing any of this. It can get real bad real quick! To those who know you know to those who dont, dont mess with it.

@Ronnotte,

 will you Come play with us? Your sand box or ours?
                                                                       Moab.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 17, 2007, 04:56:05 PM
Moab,

When I was young, my mother's friend let me use her expensive equipment and helped me do my first, and last, oil painting.  My subject was lightning.  The image that you just posted above reminded me of my childhood painting with similar background colors and number of bolts.  So what?

She passed on over to the other side this week.   :o

Rosphere

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2007, 05:04:54 PM
someone send a letter to coast to coast, email George Noory. diagrams, pics and explainations.
That's the very last thing anybody should do

This is very correct Mannix.

@IS,
This is His team and a very blessed project. It is a solid state version of the Ark of the Convenant. Heed the warnings.

@all,

In respect to the circuit:
You press the button and the electrical circuit is made. The magnetic field builds up. You release the button and the field collapses causing a radiant energy burst across the circuit causing more force across the coil. The charged cap fires the mosfet charging up the circuit again. The ramp up starts as mother earth sings back to you, beautifully with such clarity and such awesome power.

Congrats to Jason, Rosphere, Moab and all involved for last nights results.

--giantkiller. Yahweh cool! Today we rule!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 17, 2007, 05:56:00 PM
Hello All,

In case you all downloaded the old circuit diagram from my post, I need to make you aware of a change to it. I had the connection to the coil incorrect. Here is the corrected diagram (I also fixed the one in my post too).

(http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=1872.0;attach=8313;image)

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: gn0stik on April 17, 2007, 07:15:31 PM
Here is the thread at gn0sis.

http://www.gn0sis.com/component/option,com_joomlaboard/Itemid,42/func,view/catid,21/id,5368/#5368

If some who were there last night could check it out and make sure I've got the info right, I'd appreciate it.

Regards,
Rich
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 17, 2007, 07:24:27 PM
Hello All,

In case you all downloaded the old circuit diagram from my post, I need to make you aware of a change to it. I had the connection to the coil incorrect. Here is the corrected diagram (I also fixed the one in my post too).

God Bless,
Jason O

Jason,

You may need a rev.B on that schematic:  Does the wire not pass through the coil as in Otto's test?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: simonmagus on April 17, 2007, 07:37:13 PM
self delete
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 17, 2007, 08:29:05 PM
Hi Rosphere,

Actually, you don't need to have the wire running through the coil to see the effect in action. This mostly happens because of the BEMF recycling in the system. That's not to say that having the wire going through the coil won't improve the output. I didn't bother to do any comparison testing on that yet so I don't know if it actually makes a difference. That would be good to test out tonight. Also, for all you wallflowers out there, here's a circuit that is easy to build, and you WILL get dramatic results as soon as you fire it up. I highly recommend that you try it out!

NOTE: By "dramatic results" I don't mean destruction of any parts or equipment; just to be clear there :).

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: ronotte on April 17, 2007, 10:04:38 PM
@Moab & 'the group',

I'm following you group project, of course I'm much interested and I do put at your disposition any contribution I may give. Please let me know your scheduling as I can organize myself.

ronotte
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 17, 2007, 10:52:35 PM
We are replicating more coils and circuits while more advances are progressing. We are talking numbers now. One person cannot do all of this. That would be suicide. That is the reason for open source threads. Once again, everything is here to get this done.
I make light of alot here because things are just too damn serious. Does anybody realize this device can stop the global warming noise presently becoming the next resource vaccuum? It didn't have to start.

Most of us here know the ramifications. Somebody else is going to get real pissed! There is your seriousness.

I see a clean world without boundaries. Let's make TPU a household name.

I am back at it tonight with the rest until we are done. Now that is serious!

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Mannix on April 18, 2007, 12:01:35 AM
Exactly GK

It is all about learning and showing others..

any thing else will fail

Please be aware that some people are so attached to their existing beliefs they may want to put you in a category that is inapropriate.

It has been uphill for me because of this.

If any body here has a story that they would like to share about their changing belief and the process that they went thru. It  could be interesting for others.

we will all need relief here


I was a mild skeptik at first ..10 years ago..my story is here... other stories will help those with out tech skills to accept things better.

There are many fronts an many many more challenges.

Im going to rejoice in not having to say ...read it again..thanks guys

BTW my tpu is still not running! HELP!

Be nice with each other.

Lindsay

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 18, 2007, 12:05:16 AM
@ GK
You sir are a mental pit bull. I am still runnung but 12hrs every night i am beginning to grow warey. We shall see you this evening.

@Ronnott
On behalf of the group
Thank-you for your reply, I for one would like to try and replicate your resualts. and if possible, combine the two.ofcorse I will start small for safety. ;)  

@ group
I think i have the bugs worked out of my webcam. hopefully. we can add my scope shots and a few pics this eve.   M.M. :-\
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 18, 2007, 12:15:45 AM
Great DAY .....congrats to you ALLLL and yes it is a blessing speacialy to those that have stuck in there over the long run. one question in the diagram where the sine wave is is that where the 555 chip goes.      This still looks much like the 10db coil we use to put on diepole antenas to boost them but never thought about self occilation. BIG THANK YOU -Mike  Thats soooo coolllll   
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 18, 2007, 12:29:01 AM
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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: gn0stik on April 18, 2007, 12:36:25 AM
Moab,

When I was young, my mother's friend let me use her expensive equipment and helped me do my first, and last, oil painting.  My subject was lightning.  The image that you just posted above reminded me of my childhood painting with similar background colors and number of bolts.  So what?

She passed on over to the other side this week.   :o

Rosphere



Rosphere, I'm sorry for your loss. It's tough. Sometime's it's a blessing, as was the case with my Grandma, but it's still hard to go through.

@all who were there last night. Does anyone remember the time divs we had on those first couple of spikey screen shots? The one I posted? Also, if you have accounts on my site, please come and correct all the mistakes I've made in relating this event to my users. I'm sure I made many. LOL.


Rich
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: gn0stik on April 18, 2007, 12:44:29 AM
Exactly GK

It is all about learning and showing others..

any thing else will fail

Please be aware that some people are so attached to their existing beliefs they may want to put you in a category that is inapropriate.

It has been uphill for me because of this.

If any body here has a story that they would like to share about their changing belief and the process that they went thru. It  could be interesting for others.

we will all need relief here


I was a mild skeptik at first ..10 years ago..my story is here... other stories will help those with out tech skills to accept things better.

There are many fronts an many many more challenges.

Im going to rejoice in not having to say ...read it again..thanks guys

BTW my tpu is still not running! HELP!

Be nice with each other.

Lindsay



If you have the ability to web conference I'm sure people here would be willing.

I like this approach. Everyone was throwing out ideas, and we had multiple experiments being done simultaneously. It was very productive, if a little noisy at times. When his TPU was on the interference in his mic was deafening at times. His cam disconnected, and his scope would not connect to his pc. Need shielded USB cables I think.

LOL.

Anyway, after having a look at otto's thread. I don't think we ever really duplicated his results before we found this effect. Ironic really.

Lindsay, please come look at ronotte's work as well. Very interesting to say the least.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 18, 2007, 01:31:41 AM
@ Rosphere. How vary rude of me. I am sorry for your loss. I didnt mean to be rude. I'm Just exausted i suppose :-[  My Thoughts and prayers for comfort go out to you and your family. M.M
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 18, 2007, 02:28:11 AM
@Rosphere. my prayers are with you. as we grow older in life we seam to lose many things that are dear to us . hope you name your next TPU after her in her honer for giving you life we celebrate. Mike
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 18, 2007, 03:43:32 AM
Moab's replication of Jason's circuit with his 10K oscillating crystal.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 18, 2007, 04:01:09 AM
useing Jason-o's little trick to start mosfet. floresent 13 watt bulb. one wire.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 18, 2007, 04:44:28 AM
All SM's TPU put out DC. The 120vac outlets and plugs were just a ruse. All light bulbs were light directly from TPU because DC works. But when he plugs up standard ac equipment he uses a convertor. Duh!

Did I miss the boat somewhere?

-giantkiller. Here's your sign...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 18, 2007, 04:53:58 AM
Thats been our concern for a while Gk. :D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 18, 2007, 05:02:17 AM
@everyone now im even scarching my head but it seams a thought has just come to me that i may just have missed somthing the first time around



Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 18, 2007, 05:21:26 AM
I think on one coil he oscillated the frequency and the other coil he oscillated the voltage at the same frequency. that would light a bulb but may not run an appliance to much noise in the line- notice the color difference in the bulb . just a thought I'm going to try it as so as i fix my scope i blew up lol
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 18, 2007, 05:48:37 AM
@everyone now im even scarching my head but it seams a thought has just come to me that i may just have missed somthing the first time around i have to share this because it seams to me that i mabe the only one thats realizes it!!


isteam!!


                             


can we all play just 1 more game?!!

i do quite like games you know!

       Yes we will play as long as you like.  Just make your point. K?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 18, 2007, 06:20:28 AM
@ everyone this has been so much fun for me


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 18, 2007, 06:24:30 AM
I had gotten this easyflow audio months ago. It had come up in a conference call. So I thought I would post it. I exhumed this unit from the past pile. The speaker wire is 4 sections, bifilar, 3 layers deep, total 10 turns per control.

The collector is 3 turns of easyflow audio cable which is 7 runs of 14 gauge stranded. Total 700 strands, silvered copper. The strands are 3/8 inch diameter total.

I bought 14 feet at Cartoys for USD1.14/foot

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: mkt3920 on April 18, 2007, 06:29:26 AM
O great Mister Frequency,
Please tell us about frequency mixing.

Two tones close in frequency generate a beat frequency at the difference of the frequencies, which in this case is subsonic.

For example, a 5000 Hz tone and 5010 Hz tone will produce a subsonic 10 Hz tone.
This is a tone we cannot hear.

But we can feel it  ;D
So, what happens with 3 frequency's??

Maybe two beat frequency's??
And when they come together??

Gee i have to think about that, thanks Mister Frequency.


O great DC Voltage produced by the electrical fields,
Would you care to talk with the o so great external magnetic field?

Maybe we both could have a little chat with the great queen of the AC currents.
Then the 3 of us can play a game.

Let's invite Mr ans Miss Frequency too,they know exactly how to play the game.
Perhaps we all can "kick" some ass.

Mister Schumann will be there too.
He knows all about specific numbers.

But i must warn you, he does not want you to come too close.
So try to keep an eye on him and keep it at some distance.

The winner of the game won't be cold.
Good luck to all.


I still think about these two early posts.
Great works guys.
Kent
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 18, 2007, 07:51:41 AM
invertor or convertor

i put dc in and get ac back but dubble the voltage
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: d3adp00l on April 18, 2007, 08:06:23 AM
@ all  The coast to coast thing was more like my version of "go sign it on the mountain", I just didn't think that held context here.

Btw I am still a bit lost as to the progress, I understand the self oscilator, but I haven't seen a report/explaination of the connection to the coils and how everything it working together for a net yield.

I too am fond of games, however I don't have to eq to play in this one. Heck I am just happy to have figured out how to get an automotive coil to fire up on my desk, I was killing 555 chips with 12v. Let me tell you everything on the desk freaks out my meters all max out in volts(connected to wires or not) and it only uses .015amps @ 120v. No wonder tesla loved coils, they are interesting. wifi drops out, wirless keyboard freaksout computer reboots. Its fun.

Good luck at the team, have fun stormin the castle tonight.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 18, 2007, 08:51:57 AM
I had gotten this easyflow audio months ago. It had come up in a conference call. So I thought I would post it. I exhumed this unit from the past pile. The speaker wire is 4 sections, bifilar, 3 layers deep, total 10 turns per control.

The collector is 3 turns of easyflow audio cable which is 7 runs of 14 gauge stranded. Total 700 strands, silvered copper. The strands are 3/8 inch diameter total.

I bought 14 feet at Cartoys for USD1.14/foot

--giantkiller.

Hey GK,

Thanks for posting that.

@Everyone,

Let me explain why that particular wire is ideal for the collector. Remember that Mr. Mark said the collector was made from ?multi-strand copper wire.? There is a huge reason for this, and it is more than the fact that it can carry more current with less resistance. Think about why audiophiles prefer the finest of stranded wire. If you do a quick search for an AWG wire gauge table (like the one here: http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm)

Look on the right side of the table at the frequency column. You will notice that the smaller diameter wires can carry higher frequency waveforms than the larger diameter wires!

If you build my self-triggering circuit with the 50-turn 20-gauge magnet wire coil, you will immediately see why this is true. 20-gauge ware, according to the table, can only conduct frequencies up to 20 kHz. So any frequency higher than that will radiate off of the wire into the air. IN my case, I could pick up LOTS of HF hash in my computer speakers when the circuit is in operation.

What does this mean? Well, if we are pulsing our control coils and we want the collector to capture the energy, we don?t want those pulses to radiate back out in the air! So using lots of fine strands (e.g. high grade audio wire) will allow us to capture and keep the RE that we get. Also this reduces the amount of hash that could interfere with the control circuit electronics.

Does anyone know what gauge wire is in EasyFlow audio cable?

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 18, 2007, 09:08:53 AM
Hello Everyone,

I just finished some more testing with my self-triggering coil circuit. My goal tonight was to see if changing the coil in the circuit made any difference to the frequency that the MOSFET pulsed at. I tried three different coils (see pictures below) and there was no difference in the frequency! It was rock solid! The only noticeable difference was a slight rise or fall in the amplitude of the waveform.

Next, I tried changing the MOSFET that I was using. I started off with an IRF840 but also tried an IRF640 and an IRF510. All of them still had the same basic frequency.

1st harmonic ≈ 4.032 MHz
2nd Harmonic ≈ 8.33 MHz

This was using the 40 nF ceramic cap across the gate and source.

My final test was to change the capacitance on the gate to see if that varied the frequency. My results of that test are inconclusive at the moment since I used a 320 pF radio tuning cap in parallel with the ceramic cap. I believe that I was able vary the frequency by +-10 kHz but I want to use a larger tuning cap to see how dramatically I can do it (if it is possible).

NOTE: Coil inductance measurments taken with a JT-33 LCR meter.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 18, 2007, 09:14:36 AM
@ all  The coast to coast thing was more like my version of "go sign it on the mountain", I just didn't think that held context here.

Btw I am still a bit lost as to the progress, I understand the self oscilator, but I haven't seen a report/explaination of the connection to the coils and how everything it working together for a net yield.

I too am fond of games, however I don't have to eq to play in this one. Heck I am just happy to have figured out how to get an automotive coil to fire up on my desk, I was killing 555 chips with 12v. Let me tell you everything on the desk freaks out my meters all max out in volts(connected to wires or not) and it only uses .015amps @ 120v. No wonder tesla loved coils, they are interesting. wifi drops out, wirless keyboard freaksout computer reboots. Its fun.

Good luck at the team, have fun stormin the castle tonight.

Once the oscillator is created and can self-oscillate, then all you need to do is loop some of the output from the collector to the input of the MOSFET to pulse the coils. Hence, no 555 timers necessary! But one needs to understand how to properly tune the thing to make it useful. The good news is that this circuit appears to be a very stable oscillator and it locks into its frequency no matter what coil is placed on it.

One step at a time...

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 18, 2007, 03:30:49 PM
congrats to all!!

it seams i will be reading some more

the fun continues

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 18, 2007, 03:46:22 PM
My results of that test are inconclusive at the moment since I used a 320 pF radio tuning cap in parallel with the ceramic cap.

Jason,

Why not just swap-out the one cap for another one, like you did with the coils?

I am still squirming with my paradigm-shift to use other than one 9V battery to do your MOSFET circuit test and future tests.  As I wrote GK, after seeing what a coil can do to a frequency I can not help but wonder if our coils are coaxing some extra power from the wall outlets.  He insists that it is valid shortcut for now.  I suspect that it may lead to dead ends.

I want to use my 12V camper battery but folks say, "danger, Will Robinson, danger!  Too much current."

I found an, "INPUT:AC120V 60Hz 8.5W, OUTPUT:DC12V 400mA," black-box converter that I measure at 18.4 volts.  The AC portion of the output on my scope looks like white noise around 20 mV thick. (I hope you understand in spite of my ME spin on an EE description.)  Would you use this to do your test?

Rosphere--Questing...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: weri812 on April 18, 2007, 04:43:49 PM
to all 

got a scope coming  and a square wave gen coming to day

are we trying to keep the power supply to 1-3 9 volt batterys
to keep this  small for now?

wer
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 18, 2007, 06:42:31 PM
I found an, "INPUT:AC120V 60Hz 8.5W, OUTPUT:DC12V 400mA," black-box converter that I measure at 18.4 volts.

Jason,

I used the above power source to fire up your circuit using an IRF520, that coil recycled from my failed TPU_01, and two identical ceramic caps from THAT MONITOR I SMASH LONG AGO, (reddish-brown, rectangular 1"x3/8", with markings: "282J, 1600V, SMPAf.")

I am not routing anything through the core of my coil, yet.  I am following your latest schematic connectivity.  My scope probe leads are across the power supply.

When I fire it up my scope shows flat line DC at nearly 20 volts, (as per above.)

Then I short the gate to +20V for only one quick tap... POP... I see a sine wave appear and stay on my scope from about +3 to +7 volts at about 47Hz.  (I would need to clear an error rate of 28% to be seeing 60Hz, close though.)  Then my coil heats up fast.  The MOSFET stays cool.

When I remove the coil-cap I get similar results, (need to measure,) but my MOSFET heats up fast while my coil stays cool.  Strange, it seems that I am moving the heat around in my circuit.

These are early results.  I also noticed that I can disconnect and reconnect the power and the sine wave will still be on my screen, unless I short out the 'fet-cap.  If I do this then I need to tap the gate to + again.  My multimeter showed 33 mV oscillations in the 'fet-cap when my power was unplugged.  I should have used my scope to look at this.  I still can.  I need to get away from my keyboard now and get back to the lab!

Rosphere Team!
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on April 18, 2007, 07:27:43 PM
@Jason,

My newest test coil as promised.

@Rosphere,

Can you supply pics of your set up etc?

Regards,

~Dan
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 18, 2007, 07:47:26 PM
i do not yet have a scope but i think i will be building few diffrent versions of the tup and displaying some pictures of them  also if i keep thinking on this i might just be able to make it work with out the use of a scope but i think it will take a bit of playing around to find the proper freq's


@ dan i like your coils they look cool! i can just imaine the time involved







 

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 18, 2007, 08:03:51 PM
When I route the coil back through the core, through a bulb, and then to the +side, (removing the coil cap,) the following happens:  I tap the gate to the -side, still nothing.  I tap the gate to the +side and POP goes the light bulb, (it goes on.)  The coil stays cool.  The 'fet stays cool. The heat goes to the bulb.

I found another anomaly.  It still works when I yank out the other 'fet-cap.  :o  It even starts up without it.  I have a longish wire connected to the fet gate.  When I tap it to the ground, the bulb goes off and there is no oscillation in the circuit.   When I tap it to the +side it starts to oscillate with a balanced sine/triangle shaped wave.  When I tap the exposed coil core end the sine/triangle wave is lopsided with every other wave about 10%-20% smaller.  This, again, with no caps.

I would post a photo but I am using nothing new here.  The schematic is Jason's and my parts are already shown in photos in the last few pages here.  Right now it looks like a pile of spaghetti anyway.  ;)

EDIT ONE: Spaghetti picture posted anyway.

EDIT TWO: Note: Scope voltage range across source is sine/triangular from 14.5V to 15.5V.   
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on April 18, 2007, 08:10:19 PM
@IS

Thanks for the compliment.  These little coils take a lot of time to build... :D

@Rosphere,

Thansk for sharing your test results and any findings you have.

Regards,

~Dan
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 18, 2007, 08:25:48 PM
O great Mister Frequency,
Please tell us about frequency mixing.

Two tones close in frequency generate a beat frequency at the difference of the frequencies, which in this case is subsonic.

For example, a 5000 Hz tone and 5010 Hz tone will produce a subsonic 10 Hz tone.
This is a tone we cannot hear.

But we can feel it  ;D
So, what happens with 3 frequency's??

Maybe two beat frequency's??
And when they come together??

Gee i have to think about that, thanks Mister Frequency.


O great DC Voltage produced by the electrical fields,
Would you care to talk with the o so great external magnetic field?

Maybe we both could have a little chat with the great queen of the AC currents.
Then the 3 of us can play a game.

Let's invite Mr ans Miss Frequency too,they know exactly how to play the game.
Perhaps we all can "kick" some ass.

Mister Schumann will be there too.
He knows all about specific numbers.

But i must warn you, he does not want you to come too close.
So try to keep an eye on him and keep it at some distance.

The winner of the game won't be cold.
Good luck to all.


I still think about these two early posts.
Great works guys.
Kent

Wow, I forgot that Sauron posted this! Thanks for bringing it back to our remembrance... I have been thinking that beat frequencies were important here!

Now take a look at what i found!!!

http://epaper.kek.jp/e92/PDF/EPAC1992_0599.PDF

"We present experimental results obtained in a beat-wave experiment performed with both Nd-YAG (1.064 mm) and Nd-YLF (1.053 imm) laser wavelengths in a D2 plasma. The two infrared beams together with a green probe beam are focused collinearly in a gas chamber filled with D2 at different pressures. The green light scattered by the plasma is observed at 0?, 10? and 30? from the incident direction. The 10? data clearly shows the presence of a resonancewhen the plasma frequency is close to the frequency difference between the two pump beams.

The need for new particle acceleration techniques has led us to investigate the possibility of using plasmas to convert the transverse electric field of a high power laser into a high amplitude high phase-velocity electrostatic field. Plasmas can sustain electric fields many orders of magnitude higher than available in conventional accelerating structures. A relativistic electron plasma wave is excited by two coprpagating intense laser beams with slightly different frequencies. This is a resonant process in which the natural oscillation frequency of the electrons ωp has to be close to the frequency difference 60 between the two beams."

Sooo.... Lets see.... two frequencies in the TPU say.... 5000 Hz and 5010 Hz beat together to make a 10 Hz frequency (can't tune to close) and this beat frequency couples to the 7.8 Hz Schumann resonance or Earth's electromagnetic field! There you go :).

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 18, 2007, 08:29:15 PM
@Rosphere,
A floating gate becomes an antenna easily triggered by ambient noise. Now you have a delicate trigger circuit for feedback connection.

Bucking coils. Each coil pair, 1/3, 2/4 pulsed with the different frequency. The magnetic interference would be huge.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 18, 2007, 09:14:29 PM
@Rosphere,
A floating gate becomes an antenna easily triggered by ambient noise. Now you a delicate trigger circuit for feedback connection.

I will have to back you up on that.  I just discovered the "touch lamp," well, sort of.  When I hold the gate wire in my right hand and touch the ground with my left, the light goes off.  When I touch the plus, the light goes on.  I feel no shock or discomfort at all.

Weirdness begins after it is off and I just hold the gate wire for awhile.  Waves creep onto my scope as the light glows brighter and the waves grow in amplitude.  As they grow, every other wave crest is bigger; papa-wave, mama-wave, papa-wave, mama-wave, etc.  At one point I let go of the gate wire and the waves even out to half amplitude, with the bulb half brightness.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Jdo300 on April 18, 2007, 09:18:17 PM
Hi Rosphere,

Great to see that you got the circuit working! But I don't recommend driving the gate without a cap on it. you can use a pickup coil scheme but letting the spikes from your coil go directly to the gate may blow your MOSFET. I know because I already killed one that way! Good work though! You should do some power measurements for the bulb and the power source to see what your COP is :).

In my case, my circuit ran on 4W from my power supply (25V @ 160 mA). You should try stacking the 9V batteries. to power it. I found that the circuit can run on a lot less voltage once you get it started. It just needs a good current boost to load the coil inductance for the first  BEMF kick. Otherwise, it will just run for a second or so and then cut off, or not start at all.

God Bless,
Jason O
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 18, 2007, 09:25:29 PM
Weirdness begins after it is off and I just hold the gate wire for awhile.  Waves creep onto my scope as the light glows brighter and the waves grow in amplitude.  As they grow, every other wave crest is bigger; papa-wave, mama-wave, papa-wave, mama-wave, etc.  At one point I let go of the gate wire and the waves even out to half amplitude, with the bulb half brightness.

More weirdness.  I was unable to reproduce the above anomaly.  But, with gate in right hand I touch the ground with left to ground out and turn-off the bulb.  Then I touch the coil with my left finger.  I get half/full brightness.  I let go and drop my left hand to my lap--the light goes out.  I raise my left hand above the plane of the coil and the light comes on.  Below, off.  Above, on.  Strange.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 18, 2007, 09:34:13 PM
has anyone tryed to put your fet inside the coil yet between the opsing magfeilds?

im not to sure what would happin but i think the hall effect  might just come in to play i have not tryed any of this yet as i dont even have the money to buy the right fets yet

but im back to work soon and im sure things will get fun verry soon!

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 18, 2007, 09:35:20 PM
...I don't recommend driving the gate without a cap on it. you can use a pickup coil scheme but letting the spikes from your coil go directly to the gate may blow your MOSFET. I know because I already killed one that way!

Whew!  You got to me in time.  I put the cap back in.  My widdo 'fet tanks you.  :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: gn0stik on April 18, 2007, 09:49:18 PM
Weirdness begins after it is off and I just hold the gate wire for awhile.  Waves creep onto my scope as the light glows brighter and the waves grow in amplitude.  As they grow, every other wave crest is bigger; papa-wave, mama-wave, papa-wave, mama-wave, etc.  At one point I let go of the gate wire and the waves even out to half amplitude, with the bulb half brightness.

More weirdness.  I was unable to reproduce the above anomaly.  But, with gate in right hand I touch the ground with left to ground out and turn-off the bulb.  Then I touch the coil with my left finger.  I get half/full brightness.  I let go and drop my left hand to my lap--the light goes out.  I raise my left hand above the plane of the coil and the light comes on.  Below, off.  Above, on.  Strange.

This is quite bizarre.

I wonder what happens in free oscillation, with a bulb lit, if you turn your tpu over. I wonder if the light turns off.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 18, 2007, 10:12:13 PM
I wonder what happens in free oscillation, with a bulb lit, if you turn your tpu over. I wonder if the light turns off.

Yes it will turn off after I flip it over and all my leads short and/or detach.  ;)


I get the feeling that I am currently in the process of learning how a MOSFET works.  I just put two used 9V's together in series for my power supply.  I get the same creepy effects as above but the ripple on my scope is gone.  It acts like a switch and sometimes variable resistor depending upon where you stick your gate wire.  All DC on my scope now.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 18, 2007, 10:29:11 PM
Chaotic anomolies are hard to manage.

Of course MOSFETs aren't called 'Field Effect' for nothing. Hmmm. Stick 'em in the coil center?
@Otto, Non electrically connected/Isolated, Self oscillating, Field effected? What do you think about leaving the gate floating? Talk to me guy! You know you have been correct many times before ahead of the herd.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 18, 2007, 11:19:21 PM
When i put the fet in the coil it boogers up the effect. Sometimes it stops all togather.  Or like Rosphere's earlier post Momma-Poppa. spikes untill the oscilloations become unstable and stop.

Truning the ring over stops it. I think this has to do with bucking the earth's natural magnetic field. M.M.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: sulake on April 18, 2007, 11:29:33 PM
Quote
....I raise my left hand above the plane of the coil and the light comes on.  Below, off.  Above, on.  Strange.....
Rosphere

Unlike transistors, FETs are voltage controlled so it can be somewhere between conducting and not conducting when you touch the gate. So it acts like a "charge detector".
You can notice/reproduce this without the TPU.

To make the FET not so sensitive to disturbance, add a resistor (like 10kohm) from Gate to Ground. This way static electricity like from human body does not effect to it.
The less the resistance, more power is needed to control but less sensitive it is to disturbance.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 18, 2007, 11:37:30 PM
Looks like I found this 4.3MHz wave, about 8 volts peak to trough, centered on 15V DC.

The red wire in the photo is the "gate antenna."  It likes to be where it is in the photo or no 4.3MHz.

EDIT: Thank you for the gate resistor tip, Sulake.  :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: gn0stik on April 19, 2007, 12:03:06 AM
Hi guys, after speaking with Ronotte on gn0sis, he pointed out a circuit called a blocking oscillator. I compared the two circuits. The one we came up with, and a few of blocking oscillators, and reading how they work, and explanations of them, It seems that is what we have done here. A mosfet based blocking oscillator. As for the anomalous things we've seen, I'm not so sure. Just that the circuit we have would do the same thing. Here's some more information on them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blocking_oscillator

http://www.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elect37.htm

I'm not saying that the TPU doesn't use blocking oscillators, just that it's definitely not the whole solution.

Attached is a diagram of a blocking oscillator, and our circuit. I'm sure you will see the similarities.


Regards,
Rich
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 19, 2007, 12:39:46 AM
if this helps i found a self oscillator that is full ban with it is patented so if interested I'll post the web site.       @ sulake - like the resistor trick but will a small peeking cap saddling the resistor increase the transit time ?   also if any one wants the daily schumanns earths hertz rate there is a site that has an appratus that tranmmits to the net daily for the information - free 
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 19, 2007, 12:51:06 AM
if this helps i found a self oscillator that is full ban with it is patented so if interested I'll post the web site.       @ sulake - like the resistor trick but will a small peeking cap saddling the resistor increase the transit time ?   also if any one wants the daily schumanns earths hertz rate there is a site that has an appratus that tranmmits to the net daily for the information - free 

Hi,
I would be interested in these. Could you post both?

Thanks,
--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 19, 2007, 01:12:26 AM
Your output pulse can be clipped to get rid of the crap at the bottom and then differentiated to make it tighter.

More on the blocking oscillator:  http://www.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elect37.htm

30v out with 12v in.  Mentions clipping the ringing, yada yada...

(Can use vacuum tubes too - for Mannix's sake.)


Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 19, 2007, 01:15:32 AM
http://147.175.143.11/schr-e/index.php?filename=200704180100     Schummans heatz apperatis daily net brodcast in Heartz.            Look for hawlands circut on this page       http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/tws5.htm  
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: gn0stik on April 19, 2007, 01:20:22 AM
Your output pulse can be clipped to get rid of the crap at the bottom and then differentiated to make it tighter.

More on the blocking oscillator:  http://www.du.edu/~etuttle/electron/elect37.htm

30v out with 12v in.  Mentions clipping the ringing, yada yada...

(Can use vacuum tubes too - for Mannix's sake.)




Or you can put a resister in front of the cap on the gate, and deaden the intermediate ringing, so that the spikes are much clearer.

that way it "sounds" like a gas powered rc car only, instead of a gas powered rc car racing a vacuum cleaner.

those who were there will know what I'm talking about.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: d3adp00l on April 19, 2007, 05:47:30 AM
One question, well I never have just one, but for now one, I know you guys aren't necessarily rebuilding SM's TPU, but has anyone thought about what the twin coils at the center of the large ring could be for?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on April 19, 2007, 06:19:14 PM
@Jason,

Here is coil number 5.  It's a twin-stack version. Each of the two coils have multi-strand single bifilar controls - wound over multi-strand bifilar flat ribbon.

~Dan
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 19, 2007, 06:33:26 PM
Dansway, those coils look too good to work.  ;) :D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on April 19, 2007, 07:00:46 PM
@Rosphere,

Having fun nailing down all the possibilites!   ::)

 :o

~Dan
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Sauron on April 19, 2007, 07:13:01 PM
@Jason,

Here is coil number 5.  It's a twin-stack version. Each of the two coils have multi-strand single bifilar controls - wound over multi-strand bifilar flat ribbon.

~Dan


Nice :)

you are a fast builder.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 19, 2007, 10:24:46 PM
A number of us have seen this freak wave live.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on April 19, 2007, 11:33:14 PM
Blocking Oscillator Circuit...

Enjoy

~Dan
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 20, 2007, 12:04:47 AM
Here is the similar circuit that I mentioned:
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Dansway on April 20, 2007, 12:09:57 AM
@Grumpy

Now it's getting interesting....

We have the coils...

We now have the positive feedback pulsing circuit.....

Tuning and closing the "loop" is next...

~Dan

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 20, 2007, 12:32:00 AM
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 20, 2007, 12:49:38 AM
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm



Guess this puts an end to anymore TPU diatribe.

--giantkiller. Blows my tie back.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 20, 2007, 12:58:41 AM
(Thank Otto for that site.)

GK - It is just words until applied, so - Just build it.!

In case any of you are wondering - all of our heads (minds) have been screwed with in our search for knowledge.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 20, 2007, 03:22:13 AM
there is a box, Stand on it and look for real answers ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 20, 2007, 06:26:13 AM
@Moab, Grumpy,
I am building.
These are the 2 collector PVCs I received. Ea is 20 turns 24 gauge 4" diam 1" height.
I have single wind 4 controls 25 turns ea.

2 layers roughed in.

The other one is a 6" diam 1 turn ezflow collector with 30 ft 22awg stranded bifilar 390721-bucking coil 4 segment controllers. I will post this pic when I get it roughed in.

Then I will terminate the two coils at the next step.

--giantkiller.
Title: Working Unit!!!!!
Post by: FatBird on April 20, 2007, 01:41:41 PM
Great Work Roberto!!!!

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ChemTrails, ChemTrails, What's in your sky?
Google it.


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Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 20, 2007, 02:25:04 PM
Yes Thanks Fatbird, I am trying to replicate it :D. Ronotte has offered his help in doing it as well. @Ronotte Grate Documentation. That makes life much easyier on the bench. @ Fatbird you should also replicate it Thanks! M.M.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: UncleFester on April 21, 2007, 03:57:28 AM
Sure wish I could read doc files = )........... PDF....the universal format of internet documentation
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: UncleFester on April 21, 2007, 04:31:37 AM
Found the PDF version.... :-X
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 21, 2007, 05:12:58 AM
See my new avatar.  I think we need a bunch of these fcukres in a ring with a top half inner coil and a bottom half inner coil.  One to catch the electrons in one direction and the other in the other.  Bring it on down now, one two three four...  Sorry, I've been drinking.
:(

EDIT ONE:  What I mean is that we have short sections of crashing control coils slanted in the same direction around a tall ring so as to send the resulting electron beams off on a slant around the ring.  The top inner ring's fine copper wires catches the electrons and they move along in the opposite direction as the bottom ring.  Bring all the right ends together and...
???

EDIT TWO: "Sir, back away from from the adult beverages."  Wire photo added.  I should wait until tomorrow to test it, if I remember what it is.
:P
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: UncleFester on April 21, 2007, 05:38:38 AM
I agree with the coil setup. I still need to read through and get more out of Ronette's writup but the principle seems simple. I do believe that self powered control coils is the way to go although there is less control over two different frequency inputs. What still boggles me is that we have him using a totally different frequency than what was mentioned by the professor (3-5Khz). And why? Why such high frequencies? (1.4Mhz). Almost makes me want to rewind to 8 control coils, each set of four being powered by a set of IC's switching at two different frequencies. Get my idea here? Still self powered and resonating but at two different frequencies and on two different sets of control coils with zero external frequency generator needed.

Ronette's writeup was impressive...
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 21, 2007, 05:43:06 AM
Ronette's writeup was impressive...

Ronotte's writeup is impressive.  ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 21, 2007, 05:49:42 AM
New coil status update:
ezflow collector
7 bundles of 100 conductors ea 14 gauge, total of 4 gauge, phat.

4 controllers, wiil connect as 390721. These are special though. I doubled the turns. Massive bucking. Schematic included.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: gn0stik on April 21, 2007, 07:38:23 AM
GK, nice looking coil there bud. You got some strong fingers, I bet you don't even cramp up from winding any more do you? Quick build!

Rosphere, Drink lots of water and take a PMS pill, or tylenol if you don't have that, before bed, and avoid coffee in the morning. It's a diuretic and the worst thing for a hangover.

I know the PMS thing sounds funny, but it balances out your water and prevents you from becoming dehydrated in the night, the major cause of hangovers.

All this should help you remember that mysterious bunch of wires on your desk in the morning, and what to do with it. And how you got that avatar. (nice by the way)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 21, 2007, 08:17:00 AM
Rosphere, Drink lots of water and...

Thanks man.  I stopped about an hour ago.  If I stay awake a bit longer and drink some water, as you said, I will be fine.  The Red Green in me will not allow the PMS pill.

I was sending some 35KHz 9V-555 pulses into the two interlaced counter-wound coils, (I broke out the middle "turn around" section, cut it, and connected the right ends together-not shown in photo above.  Also, I removed the winding pin shown in the photo above.)  Essentially, two 50-wrap coils connected in parallel and counter-wound fixed at an angle to the speaker wire pair.

With probe connected to the two ends of only one of the two speaker wires, I saw flitting ghosts of vertical lines at a few resolutions of my 60MHz scope.  Only about 10-20 mV ptp but look at my setup.

Next, I put more power into my little crashing coil with two weakened 9V's and that IRF840.  I saw an interesting waveform.

Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 21, 2007, 04:14:15 PM
@GK: Sorry about all of my drunk and disorderly posting last night.

Back in college, I would sometimes hear something new in class, my creative side would take over my mind for a while, and I would miss some of the lecture.  This is what happened yesterday.

I was reading Ronotte's latest paper.  That electron burst graphic got me thinking all by itself and I went off making a quick sketch, winding wire, draining batteries, and sharing my foolishness with the world.  I did not even finish reading his paper.

So, today I hope to finish reading it.  When I finish, I will probably end up deleting my posts from last night.  Have a good laugh about them now.

@gn0stik: I woke up a bit late today but I feel fine, without the PMS pills.  Thank you for your concern and advice last night.  I may try that PMS pill trick one day,... when no one is looking.  ;)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Gustav22 on April 21, 2007, 05:00:16 PM
Mylords,
... with a top half inner coil and a bottom half inner coil.  One to catch the electrons in one direction and the other in the other ...
Just stumbled over that.
This somehow coincides with what I want to convey:
I think care should be taken to avoid cancellation of the currents which you create with your magnetic reconnections.
This will be difficult with a 100% symmetrical setup.

Is this why the effects of Otto's distorted mess ;-)
have not been replicated as yet?
If you take a look at the first photo in his thread again
Otto`s replication of Steven Mark`s TPU  (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2235.0.html)
and take note of how the lampwire cuts through his control coil...
Is everybody trying to build too symmetrical? so that the yellow electron flows which take off so nicely into two opposing directions in Rosphere's avatar, in the end cancel each other out?

Just thinking out loud.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 21, 2007, 05:18:27 PM
Mylords,
... with a top half inner coil and a bottom half inner coil.  One to catch the electrons in one direction and the other in the other ...
Just stumbled over that.
This somhow coincides with what I want to convey:
I think care should be taken to avoid cancellation of the currents.
This will be difficult with a 100% symmetrical setup.

Is this why the effects of Otto's distorted mess ;-)
have not be replicated as yet?
If you take a look at the first photo in his thread again
Otto`s replication of Steven Mark`s TPU  (http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,2235.0.html)
and take note of how the lampwire cuts through his control coil...
Is everybody trying to build too symmetrical? so that the yellow electron flow which takes off so nicely into two opposing directions in Rosphere's avatar, in the end cancels itself out?

Just thinking out loud.

Trust me, put down the beer and finish reading Ronotte's document.  ;)

You mention my avatar, which I just switched back to the Saturn Socket this morning.  So, I will switch it back now, for a while.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: bob.rennips on April 21, 2007, 05:57:07 PM
http://magnetism.fateback.com/Overunity.htm

Thanks Grumpy.

Extracting the good idea from the rubbish in the above paper...... we have NMR of copper may play a part in the operation of the TPU.

70% of copper is of one isotope.

The NMR of this isotope is 26.515441 Mhz (megahertz) relative to hydrogen.
As hydrogen has an NMR or 100MHz, this means the absolute NMR for copper is 126.515441 MHz.

If this is not the way of getting the absolute NMR from the relative NMR please shout up.

An interesting experiment would be set up a copper coil that resonates at 126.515441 MHz and see what can be picked up either by a wire running through the coil (i.e. as a collector) or a separate coil placed at right angle to the resonating coil. At this point I'm not suggesting these coils are connected together. This is an experiment to see if pulsing a coil at the NMR frequency, where the coil also resonates at that same frequency, will generate any anomalous voltage/current measurements, in another coil or wire at different placements around the pulsed coil.

126+ MHz is obviously a high frequency to generate in a home lab setting, my function generator and scope only go up to 3MHz. Other lower frequencies that could be useful are those that are common factors of the above frequency. The common factors are:

13 Hz
1439 Hz
6763 Hz ***
18707Hz (1.87 kHz)
87919Hz (87.919 kHz)
9731957 Hz (9.731957 MHz)

6763Hz looks like an interesting first frequency to try.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 21, 2007, 06:13:42 PM
a question if i can



who has finished the game ?

play the game to understand!!

.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 21, 2007, 06:14:20 PM
 ::)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 21, 2007, 06:49:43 PM
Somebody is going to burn something up. It is inevitable. Should a cash prize for offered for stumbling? How does one explain 'Playing Doctor Frankenstein' to the insurance company in a suburban environment? Is one covered in the act of TPUing under the influence? Ahem, Rosphere?
I can see the news now: Citizen levels house with $10.00s worth of items procured from local electronics store while inebriated. What was he drinking? Pale ale, wheat beer, lite beer? There will be a mad dash to the liquor stores. Bottles or cans? Didn't somebody say aluminum? Do they even make copper cans? I saw somebody sliced the cans with wire. That's it! I need to drink the whole six pack now to get enough metal. No, I think I'll get a keg and wrap copper tubing around it! I'll call it the Keg Power Unit! Does overunity equate to free beer?

That is a party with free firewoks! Who is going to be the first person who puts the first unmanned keg on the Moon?

--giantkiller. That should get somebody's attention.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 21, 2007, 07:04:19 PM
What was he drinking? Pale ale, wheat beer, lite beer? There will be a mad dash to the liquor stores. Bottles or cans?

George Killian's Irish Red - Four 12 OZ bottles
(And one can of some light beer offered by my neighbor in exchange for TPU stories.)

I saw somebody sliced the cans with wire.

Like this?  (See video.)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 21, 2007, 07:54:51 PM
Why that looks like a 3 layer TPU! Just like mine! I could have blown my right hand off my wrist!
Looks like all the warnings are rightly founded, eh?

@All,
For the benefit of everybody: Be careful out there. We are close. We would like to approach overunity safely and not find ourselves there haphazardly.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 21, 2007, 08:38:17 PM
So many threads...

See my image of slanted idea on Ronotte's thread here. (http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2240.0;attach=8440)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Grumpy on April 22, 2007, 05:55:45 AM
Read up on the properties of torsion and/or tempic fields. 
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 22, 2007, 06:26:44 AM
@Moab, like this?
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Moab on April 22, 2007, 08:11:50 AM
yes rosphere, Looks like a vary nice back scratcher ;D
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 22, 2007, 01:06:42 PM
Yep. Where did you get that so quick? Sure looks close to mine!

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 22, 2007, 01:21:07 PM
And today lets wipe some magnets across a wire.

Play mp4 with VLC player.

MRD showed me this yesterday.

More magnet field shearing, again. A simple bedini motor concept.

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Rosphere on April 22, 2007, 02:22:24 PM
yes rosphere, Looks like a vary nice back scratcher ;D

Yep. Where did you get that so quick? Sure looks close to mine!

--giantkiller.

It's "The Tingler!"

Well, I was trying to read about theory and Moab insisted that I drop everything make one of these.  I used recycled parts, again.

I started testing way too late in the evening last night.  I must have had my wires crossed, one of my new seven dollar 'FETs is broken already, or...

Today is a new day.  :)
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 23, 2007, 08:04:06 PM
GK you'll have to point me to the link please
Page 1 post 2 for the hookup jumpers.
 
Another thing: the amazing thing about using 30awg controllers is that the small wire actually produces very hi rf and microwave fields without burning the wire but can harm the handler. With 22awg and thicker one would have to supply more current.

Did anybody get a headache from lighting a light buld with their TPU? Or did anybody feel their flesh crawl or bones rattle? Hmmm. And with these results the amperage or voltage weren't reflective of the effects. Wow! But if one were to try to light a bulb (lower energy level) these specifications would be needed.

So during the quest for fire, I was working the microwave from the inside out. Good morning Viet Nam!
 
--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Motorcoach1 on April 23, 2007, 08:25:15 PM
gee did we lose a couple of posts  hahahah naaa GK i never have any fun sence i got my farady cage . oh and by the way don't hook up your megger when you have the scope hooked up - thats how i blew the probe card
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: giantkiller on April 23, 2007, 08:47:00 PM
gee did we lose a couple of posts  hahahah naaa GK i never have any fun sence i got my farady cage . oh and by the way don't hook up your megger when you have the scope hooked up - thats how i blew the probe card

What did you think of this movie? http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1872.msg29348.html#msg29348

--giantkiller.
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: weri812 on April 23, 2007, 11:59:55 PM
hi gk

all ready been down that road  it is a fake 
it is being trigered by a cb radio .


wer
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: innovation_station on April 24, 2007, 01:37:46 AM
@ gk

if you want my thoughts and im sure you dont but hear they are

that has been the best movie ever and  has only  just begun.  it seams like the more you watch it the more you see. its the kind of movie you want to watch over and over agin!!



is
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: supersam on April 24, 2007, 02:26:41 AM
is,

if you want my thoughts, and i'm sure you don't,  BUILD IT AND THEY WILL COME.  DON"T AND THEY WON'T!!!!!

lol
sam
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: weri812 on April 24, 2007, 02:33:05 AM
hi  is

it took my by suprise too
watched at least 10 times   i ask question  emailed the builder.
after about 3 weeks the builder sait that it is a tuned  circut  to the rf out of a cb radio.


wer
Title: Re: Lords of the Ring
Post by: Bruce_TPU on April 24, 2007, 02:44:45 AM
HERE IS THE ANSWER !!!!

I have urgent news to pass onto you.  This may be the most important post of my life.  After long, long hours of going over every word that Steve Mark has said,

I HAVE FULL UNDERSTANDING of how the unit works!!!!!!!  It finally hit like lightning (no pun intended) this afternoon.  I will use Steve?s own words to explain it Step by Step.  It is so simple, but so complex just as he said.  And once you UNDERSTAND HOW it works, the actual coil design just becomes that of preference.  You will also see why only the ?controller? was patented.  I am not an electronics guy, and maybe that is why I could LISTEN to all that he said and not interject my own thoughts and opinions into the clues.  All I ask in return for this information is two things:
1.)  Your second completed coil with controller sent to me to keep.  (I could not even wire a schematic correctly.)
2.)  Your finished diagram and total information posted here for the world to see.  You can keep the over unity prize money and use my portion to reimburse yourself the expense of my completed unit. 

He has given us EVERYTHING we need to understand the how and why his coil works.  Sometimes in obvious language and sometimes in much hidden language, but not so hidden after I point it out to everyone!

Step one:  Remove all thoughts of putting electrical power going INTO the TPU.  It is not a transformer!
Step Two: Build the controller for the unit.  (You WILL KNOW HOW to do this when you have finished reading this!)
Step Three:  Start with a core.  I recommend 1.5 inch diameter plastic tubing (or something similar to dampen vibrations) put into a 5? circle forming the coil shell.

Step Four:  To Make the collector he told us.  ?It is three SEPARATE coils of multi strand copper wire laid ONE ON TOP of the other.?  (remember, he said the frequency changes automatically(PROPORTIONAL) based on the ?circumference?  This is why they are laid one on top of the other to slightly offset the frequency running through each one.  We will get to that soon.)  Three is important, they can be hooked in series or parallel.  It give you greater flexability.   I would suggest using #14 g. stranded.