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Author Topic: Lords of the Ring  (Read 799281 times)

Offline tao

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2460 on: September 15, 2007, 07:04:33 PM »
Thanks for that link AM,  I watched the first video and enjoyed it.   I saw this demo years ago in one of my physics classes, very interesting how it works.

Here's something else to think about guys, if you want to pursue the Schumann thing.   

1)  Take two coils of EQUAL lengths.

2)  Take two capacitors of EQUAL value

Now you have two resonating TANK circuits of EQUAL frequency.

3)  Start to cut one of the coils small piece at a time, untill the resonating frequency is off by.... you guessed it.... 7.3 Hz  :)

Then, the tank circuits will be exicted by the natural magnetic Schumann resonance, but feed one output to the other for some additon of signals and feedback, the output might just go through the roof !!

EM



Not that I want to feed this line of reasoning, the schumann, since I feel other things might be involved. But, I won't desregard it as a solution either...

So, to lend evidence to your statement there EMDevices, "Start to cut one of the coils small piece at a time, untill the resonating frequency is off by.... you guessed it.... 7.3 Hz"


Well, that caught my attention, mainly because there was a snippet from an email sent back in the 90s about SM's device and it talked about cutting until resonance...

Here is the snippet:

"Email received later
and arrangements have just been made to share it:

Patrick,

[snip]  He wanted US$25 million up front for the secret.
We are aware of the concept and have been designing our own
version [snip]. He is VERY paranoid about publicity; [snip].

The outer toroidal coil overheats and has no magic factors inside it other
than a length of the coil which is cut until resonance is established.
In
the core of this outer toroidal coil is the instrument package. A magnet
is used and a resonance is established using the mechanical (Lorentz) forces
developed in the coil. The system pulses with a DC component.

Tuning is a function of the coil mass and cross-sectional aspect ratio. It
appears an elliptical cross-section is required in the coil. The converter
package in the center of the toridal coil appears to be a circuit to
convert the pulsed DC component to AC.

This whole device is a low-voltage, low frequency, high-current form of the
high-voltage, high frequency, low current Moray device. Each system has its
good and bad points....

We are working very hard to develop a working model ASAP. We have enough
funding and adequate lab facilities [snip]. When and if we have a
good working prototype and adequate stocks for immediate market penetration
we will let you know. We have a plan which is diametrically opposed to what
might be expected [snip]

Be patient and use the clues we have shared with you....

Your friends ...[snip]"


Now, I am posting this, only for historical means, meaning, I don't want to start huge debates on the other elements on that email snippet. Mainly, the issue of cutting to resonance, and the potential that this snippet might very well help you attempting the Schumann approach.

Although, one could use the approach in that snippet, without the Schumann too...........

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2460 on: September 15, 2007, 07:04:33 PM »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2461 on: September 15, 2007, 07:05:57 PM »
bolt, you might be saying very good things, but I can't visualize what you're saying too well.

Can you draw up a circuit?   A picture is worth a thousand words !!!

EM

Edit:  thanks for that posting tao,   do you think these people made a typo?  " ..In
the core of this outer toroidal coil is the instrument package...."     I think they meant to say CENTER ,not CORE.  :)

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2462 on: September 15, 2007, 07:15:50 PM »
Hi Bolt,

Thanks for your explanation. I like your theory, if only for the fact that it is based on SINE waves. Although SM is probably not allowed to mention siinewaves, there are so many occasions where he hints at it. Just look at how he stresses to find the right Cord (Chord). If that isn't pointing to three harmonically related sines.....

I have a suggestion for you. It might be good for the general understanding to make a little drawing of how you see things working at the moment.

Thanks

Robert

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2462 on: September 15, 2007, 07:15:50 PM »
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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2463 on: September 15, 2007, 07:19:21 PM »
Bear in mind as i just said you can from one to 3 or 4 collectors and this was causing me so much grief till i realized why so snipping bits of between the collectors is not whats needed to produce a difference. However lets say i have just one collector. I stated in previous posts the resonance of the collector is most likely linked to 7.5 Hz. If it is then it will 3.999 meters long and taking a tad over a snipped down till its tuned. The harmonic length of the collector wll not change from a 4 inch tpu to  18 inch across only the frequencies applied to the control coils will change but the wire will still be 3.999 meters long  due to the time it take for one pulse wave to be parasitically forced around the collector. clearly there is a ratio formula that can be applied to any tpu. So you find the first fundamental resonance frequncy for the 1st control coil maybe use a grid dip oscillator. Then i will know without trying what my second and third harmonics should be without spending hours twiddling.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2464 on: September 15, 2007, 07:31:17 PM »
Well im into my 3rd week doing this and as an RF engineer only sine waves made sense within reading just 8 posts and SM's document. There is no logic here with any other type of wave.......none.  Its very likely not to any form of switching and timing because the loop is self timing and self oscillating by its own dynamics. If i were to provide any degree of active timing it means my control box is now forming an active part of the loop and current is flowing though my fets. There is no need to do that with this. The sig gen box is like a starter motor on a car. I start it then i can remove the car battery and starter motor and it will still run!

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Offline dutchy1966

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2465 on: September 15, 2007, 07:46:26 PM »
Bolt,

Are you trying to say that the load is not directly connected to the collector but to the little toroids in the center? For the sake of impedance matching?

Robert

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2466 on: September 15, 2007, 07:54:10 PM »
I try and draw a simple circuit but will be a crappy one done quick with winblows paint. You know that a professional version TPU would most likely use a CPU running fuzzy logic. Then we can have soft start, auto tune oscillators, phase control, over current, over voltage, over heat etc and control over exactly the output voltage is providing rather then dipping on loads. So no doubt the new ones hidden in some dark places of the earth run perfectly like a modern switch mode inverter. Why not make a 100 K watt one with the collector as a copper water pipe to keep it cool.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2467 on: September 15, 2007, 07:57:16 PM »
anyone winding a collector pancake yet at 3.99m or 13'1" this is the center ring only 1 is needed  for the center collector other 2 rings they should be balum coils? and they should be the same base pancake tuned to the same 7.5 hz

anyhow for the center one make it buzz at 7.5  then we find second harmonic on that coil  (using a scope) and 3rd as well

after that 2econd and third go to the other coils   is this correct?


ist

starting to get a picture in my mind i only have 18 ga speeker wire right now but will give it a shoot it is easy flow as well  i can not run it tho but will build it so you can see the picture i have of it  it is much similar to this pic  when i find it i will post it

@bolt why dont we use the hot water to heat the house and water tank too  ;) i have a design for the hyper heat unit it was a portable space heater but it can now be a power supply too  ;D

tryed to find the pic i must have deleted it  so  i threw the coil back togather  real quick and took a pic of it  now no need to tell me it is wrong i know this but verry close to what we want i will be building my next 1 tonight it will be close to that but center collector will be diffrent  it will be 3 freqs not 2 as the 1 in the pic is  the center collector will have many 28ga coper turns in 3 segments  i will build this soon i cant run it tho unless some one comes up with a quick alternitive to the circuit like an class a audio amp and a laptop or somthing like that   
« Last Edit: September 15, 2007, 08:53:40 PM by innovation_station »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2468 on: September 15, 2007, 08:10:28 PM »
EM

Edit:  thanks for that posting tao,   do you think these people made a typo?  " ..In
the core of this outer toroidal coil is the instrument package...."     I think they meant to say CENTER ,not CORE.  :)


For the smaller TPU devices that are wrapped in black tape, but have no electronics in the center of the device, the control circuitry would have to be in the CORE-AREA...

I think that is what they are referring to.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2469 on: September 15, 2007, 08:59:20 PM »
Rough layout. The collector is one core of speaker wire or lamp wire not 2 and its not bifilair wound, twisted, pancaked tripled just wound and the ends go through the balun ONE turn. The balun is a ferrite ring, not plastic brass wood or a chocolate cookie. At this stage no need to worry about precise resonance can be sorted later so about 10 turns for collector is fine.

The control coils is 20 swg 100 turns for each. The crossover wiring may not be correct nor direction i think one control is wound anti clockise to the other but thats bench work.

The 1st control coil only goes to the balun 50 turns thin copper wire size TBA.  Another balun winding 50 turns same size wire goes to Sig gen box and connected to the DC to 1 Meg or much higher Class A power amps MOSFET only DC couple vital  least 3 watts.  So the balun is mixing ONE collector, One control coil and One Sig gen box.

The output coil is an overlay coil 20 swg normally hundreds of turns over the entire TPU but for testing purpose 100 turn should be good enough to sniff the collector and maybe a diode on one side might be needed i not sure it might kill it.  The output winding is floating the ends do not connect anywhere else except the load which should be a 60 watt lamp.

Don't forget the magnet or nothing will happen. Make sure you put fuses in the collector, kill switch etc. DONT touch the output wires to feel if anything coming out. LOL



« Last Edit: September 15, 2007, 09:27:18 PM by bolt »

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2470 on: September 15, 2007, 09:19:06 PM »
Worked out the answer now the reason is the number of baluns is = to the number of collectors. The more collectors you have the more you can put them in parallel to increase the current or series to increase the voltage. The first model had one collector and one balun. The baluns are absolutely critical together with the magnets. If you don't make a balun you cant split the load to provide impedance matching and phase shift and the loop will never ever work. All collectors must be of the same size and resonance.  They are simply put into parallel to increase current handling but that can have other effects that need to be controlled. There must be a space between the collectors so cant sit one on top of the other. Thats why the 800 volt tpu is tall.  The 2 ends pass through the balun to the sig gen box which is terminated by  resonance cap. The secondary side of the balun connects 1st control coil only and primary side connects to the sig gen PA. The ratio of windings is critical to ensure phase and amount that is fed back to the loop. As the first control coil is injected with the right sine wave frequencies a part of this input is directed into the main collector and another part is sent to the first control coil. The oscillation is sent around the loop and back again but the control coil will prevent it returning on this position coil. The next harmonic is already sent out which is now ahead of the 1st control and speeds up the returning back wave. The 3rd harmonic is sent ahead to the 3rd coil which gives it the third boost. The process continues at control 1. So now we have a cold electron flow circulating the loop which is also cut to resonance.  It important to realize that the sig gen box does not really participate after the first few seconds. When the frequencies are correct it will automatically into forward gain positive feedback. NOT back to the sig gen but on to the next control coil. This TPU will run itself just before it explodes and switching off the control box will not stop it if allowed to get that far. SO the harmonic of the second coil will arrive there twice as fast as the first one because the frequncy is higher and the wavelength is shorter. The use of three frequencies produces standing waves that exact math relationship to the size of the collector.  In this concept there is no need for spark gaps, square waves and spikes. It appears to me so many went wrong with this making Bedini Coils with mosfet spike triggers and nothing could be further from how this works.

SM has very nearly spilled the beans on this risking his freedom and pay packet. He is right he has said far too much already. SM mentioned Bushwacker and Freedomfuel for getting close. Bushwacker dedicated most of his time working on the Hope device. IMO it will never work he is only making a cooker peizo coil but he was named because he was injecting AUDIO sine waves into his hope device. However the guy reads like a crank to me every post was about abductions and threats  from MIB  which i very much doubt they would be interested in his cooker coil. Freedomfuel was mentioned because of his excellent theory. He was bang on correct about how this works but for some reason i recon he saw the potential good and BAD and decided to walk away. But he deleted over 100 very critical posts and was leaps ahead of most other on here 12 months ago. For all i know he has a working model.

Hi Bolt,

Thanks for the drawing. That helps!
I still have some questions:
Why do the two ends pass through the balun?
So every control coil is not fed seperately?

Regards,

Robert

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2471 on: September 15, 2007, 09:35:28 PM »
The collector is a loop antenna and we need the balun to pass the right amount of signal into the loop. If you look on the 800 volt tpu you see 2 white wires are the collector passing though.  The coil is fed the other 2 are linked to it directly as shown. The harmonics will reach the others when they get there.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2472 on: September 15, 2007, 11:24:21 PM »

.... the ends go through the balun ONE turn. The balun is a ferrite ring, not plastic brass wood or a chocolate cookie.

HAHAHA...

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« Reply #2473 on: September 15, 2007, 11:30:52 PM »
I don,t know,   maybe I,ll try it.

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Re: Lords of the Ring
« Reply #2474 on: September 16, 2007, 01:39:22 AM »
Is anyone getting any useful energy out of these yet?  Have you guys gotten to the right setup?

 

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