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AnandAadhar

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1500 on: September 28, 2010, 10:18:51 AM »
Well, supposing, because the lever is weighted at the end, you extract the energy close to the pivot point of that lever so to get a kind of leverage in order to sustain the pendulum?

P.S Would it be a good idea to post a picture of my simple idea before I finish the build or would that be a bit risky in case the thing worked?


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The basic idea here is to extract energy from a pendulum. Clock makers are pretty good at engaging pendulums in a mechanical set up, but use it only for attaining regularity with an escapement. Our purpose here is different, but we can learn from them how to engage a pendulum in a mechanical setup. I myself manage to make a magnetic rotor spin by the passage of the pendulum - connected to a stator magnet - running linearly over it. The rotor again - if maintained spinning at the same rate - keeps the pendulum moving by its back emf. Thus we have an excellent forward/backward connection with anything connected to that rotor and the movement of the pendulum. This is the pendulum lead out as I found most efficient. But you can use it also as a lead in as said. A mechanical connection to the pendulum with a slipping link like a wheel on a ramp or a certain ball bearing setup with leverage also works fine.  Remember there is a complication in the build because the pendulum itself has vertical movement in the Milkovic design. A lead out close to the pivot point or via the axle, and a lead in at the end (pulsed at the highest rise). Thus you can have a good lead out and lead in of a pendulum. The question is, where in our looping the system for OU does the amplification take place that defeats the second law of thermodynamics? Where and how is the entropy overcome and the negentropy taking place of rectifying space energy or gravity? Evidently it is a source of tension or expansion in the circuit. Would it be with the two stage Milkovic set-up, or is the secret hiding elsewhere that escapes our experimentation as yet? I think of some inertial oscillator or dynamic lever mediating the dynamics of magnetism and gravity (frequency and amplitude) in my setup. Yes, show your design or schematic - energy flow diagram - before you build. Nobody knows for sure whether it will work or not if it is an intelligent design. You will be the first to know. Think before you act. Two know more than one. Want to see mine? I am determined and unafraid to tell you whether it works or not. Science obliges, but can you bare the uncertainty of the method? I keep it away from the audience as yet because of this.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1501 on: September 28, 2010, 03:26:56 PM »
Ok here is the idea, if its condemned then I shall continue with building it and see the results for myself. I would appreciate as much advice and information you could give me about my idea if you please...

Read the following after looking at the diagram below.

Because the string is further from the pivot of the lever than it is from the pivot of the pendulum, there will be a pull from the lever. The length of the string determines if the pull is in sync or not. The correct length is important so that as the pendulum has swung in, the string becomes tensed in order to achieve a pull at the correct time. To ensure that weight "A" drops at the correct time, weight "A" must have a certain weight value in caparison to weight "B". A second pulley MAY be needed to the left of the shown pulley so the string gets the correct length of pull. Of course, the swing of the pendulum would probably require a greater span than shown.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1502 on: September 29, 2010, 04:09:44 PM »
Ok here is the idea, if its condemned then I shall continue with building it and see the results for myself. I would appreciate as much advice and information you could give me about my idea if you please...

Read the following after looking at the diagram below.

Because the string is further from the pivot of the lever than it is from the pivot of the pendulum, there will be a pull from the lever. The length of the string determines if the pull is in sync or not. The correct length is important so that as the pendulum has swung in, the string becomes tensed in order to achieve a pull at the correct time. To ensure that weight "A" drops at the correct time, weight "A" must have a certain weight value in caparison to weight "B". A second pulley MAY be needed to the left of the shown pulley so the string gets the correct length of pull. Of course, the swing of the pendulum would probably require a greater span than shown.

Alex

Were is your input and where is the output? As you show me nothing will happen however careful you balance the lever, the weight and string attachment. Without the string you have the Milkovic effect just pushing the pendulum at B. The string simply limits the movement of the pendulum not to pass beyond the point indicated in the drawing. It will not swing properly. Or else move as a fixed whole if properly balanced. That is useless. You'll find no two phase effect or even an one phase effect as claimed by Milkovic. Without the string though A will respond with a two step reaction with each extreme of the pendulum swinging to the right and left of the pivot point at the right. The string is not needed. A must weigh down relative to the other side, but not more than needed. First try to replicate the Milkovic effect, then elaborate on that I'd say.

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« Reply #1503 on: September 29, 2010, 04:11:04 PM »
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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1504 on: September 29, 2010, 09:13:43 PM »
Maybe adding a spring to the string will help produce what you desire.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1505 on: September 29, 2010, 11:58:33 PM »
could do. What I was hoping for was that after the pendulum has swung and lifted up the lever, the lever then drops pulling the pendulum, and if the pull is just right, the pendulum wont want to increase its swing therefore the pendulum will swing correctly. You must have a better reason than that for its fail surly

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1506 on: September 30, 2010, 12:13:54 AM »
This one is very old but can give you a good idea.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1507 on: September 30, 2010, 12:43:52 AM »
This is very interesting!

Who did say these guys are getting no results??
Probably they accomplished the first step with this pendulum drive device.

Milkovic's Pendulum Replica with automatic pendulum oscillation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1cKWIAFT0I

more videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdrImQK5xkE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUTUjdO_rvk

tagor

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1508 on: September 30, 2010, 07:00:52 AM »
This is very interesting!

Who did say these guys are getting no results??
Probably they accomplished the first step with this pendulum drive device.

Milkovic's Pendulum Replica with automatic pendulum oscillation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1cKWIAFT0I

more videos
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdrImQK5xkE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUTUjdO_rvk

 
very good work
 
we hope that he can loop very soon

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1509 on: September 30, 2010, 09:06:55 AM »

If there is OU in Milkovic's pendulum (which is far from being proved), where the energy comes from?
If we accept the hazy hypothesis that gravity is the source, then what is depleted in gravity? From Newton's equation, g= G*M/d² where at the earth surface, M is the earth mass and d its radius. Does the earth mass would decrease each time a Milkovic's pendulum does work?!




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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1511 on: September 30, 2010, 01:26:08 PM »
If there is OU in Milkovic's pendulum (which is far from being proved), where the energy comes from?
If we accept the hazy hypothesis that gravity is the source, then what is depleted in gravity? From Newton's equation, g= G*M/d² where at the earth surface, M is the earth mass and d its radius. Does the earth mass would decrease each time a Milkovic's pendulum does work?!

Of course not. if that happens the acceleration is taken out of gravity. According Einstein's theory of gravity, gravity equals the acceleration of a rocket. It is called the equivalence principle. So what happens is that with production of OU energy this way, gravity is consumed. The machine will float like a flying saucer if the process is upgraded. Good huh? But that's not Newton anymore of course.
For you can also think of gravity in quantum mechanical terms, as a stream of gravitons or 'space particles', or quantum foam bubbles, rushing towards the planetary center. Gravity as a form of spacetime pressure. Such an experimental finding would prove quantum gravity and give us time travel! A unit of space equates to the duality of universal time expanding and time contracting according to other modern ether theories.... Time is thus addressed too, not just gravity. Man, we would have warp drive in a decade if that experiment succeeds (leaving the Milkovic' version of the machine at home of course for being a primitive precursor in proving the apparently missing laws of the energy of time and gravity in Maxwell's equations).

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1512 on: October 03, 2010, 08:31:46 AM »
look at this video
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Yd71fzlB4&feature=related
 
this is a double pendulum , but no OU

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1513 on: October 03, 2010, 05:49:04 PM »
look at this video
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Yd71fzlB4&feature=related
 
this is a double pendulum , but no OU

That's a remarkable study. The way it sustains its action without having had a real push. Just the fall from its loaded position.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1514 on: October 03, 2010, 07:09:25 PM »
preparation for making a pendulum pump?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vd__X6-NVCg

"tsmo ver.4.1 working on adding flywheels to replace springs next then new air /water pump. Still experimenting with pendulum weight and length, lever ratio, and spring placements. present water pump is made from allthread(shaft), fender washers(piston), pvc body, and 4 chk valves.Does not wok to well, 6 to 9 liters per min. I need a better construction ---working on simple diapragh pump."