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exnihiloest

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1425 on: August 29, 2010, 12:40:37 PM »
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I am myself wondering of the motives of the Milkovic and friends group. What are their intentions? Why come with such unfounded papers, and pendulums that merely focus peak load without OU?
Milkovic's science is like the emperor's new clothes. Only the really smart can understand it.

1.1x more output than input would be awesome already.

I agree.
By coupling a pendulum with a lever, Milkovic invented a useful device for human handling. Nevertheless there is no OU and Marjanovic's math and theory are obviously false (see http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1763.msg244606#msg244606). So we can think that it has now become a scam.

As already said, conventional laws of physics are internally consistant and imply momentum and energy conservation in a closed system. If energy appears not to be conserved, either the system is open (there is an external hidden source) or the laws of physics are not internally consistent.
To pretend to prove OU in a closed system by using conventional laws of physics, is consequently a sign of error, ignorance or scam. It is an easy way to dismiss the claimers and avoid time wasting.
And as OU is not provable by conventional laws of physics, experimental proofs beyond any doubt are required and will be the base for new theories. The lack of such proofs, often coming with premature fuzzy theories supporting no facts, is the second easy way to dismiss the claimers.



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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1426 on: August 29, 2010, 02:36:42 PM »
I agree.
By coupling a pendulum with a lever, Milkovic invented a useful device for human handling. Nevertheless there is no OU and Marjanovic's math and theory are obviously false (see http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1763.msg244606#msg244606). So we can think that it has now become a scam.

As already said, conventional laws of physics are internally consistant and imply momentum and energy conservation in a closed system. If energy appears not to be conserved, either the system is open (there is an external hidden source) or the laws of physics are not internally consistent.
To pretend to prove OU in a closed system by using conventional laws of physics, is consequently a sign of error, ignorance or scam. It is an easy way to dismiss the claimers and avoid time wasting.
And as OU is not provable by conventional laws of physics, experimental proofs beyond any doubt are required and will be the base for new theories. The lack of such proofs, often coming with premature fuzzy theories supporting no facts, is the second easy way to dismiss the claimers.

Don't waste the time of the readers with your rubbish. Assumptions such as the above regarding internal consistency are typical for stupid people.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1427 on: August 29, 2010, 06:41:53 PM »
Has some one ever heard about the Dunning-Kruger effect? Try to google it, or search in Wikipedia. Some people in this forum really should read about this effect. Interesting reading! It applies to most people who claim them self to have surprior knowledge and skills. I hope I do step on somebodys toes ;D

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1428 on: August 29, 2010, 07:28:08 PM »
That's an impossible way to explain away you lack of knowledge and incompetence. No effect you mention can substitute for your involving in hard work and systematic study at places dedicated for that called universities.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1429 on: August 29, 2010, 08:40:55 PM »
Has some one ever heard about the Dunning-Kruger effect? Try to google it, or search in Wikipedia. Some people in this forum really should read about this effect. Interesting reading! It applies to most people who claim them self to have surprior knowledge and skills. I hope I do step on somebodys toes ;D

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Dunning-Kruger effect? Right in the target. But Omnibot has been linked with that diagnosis many, many times before, at several forums...
Obviously, he doesn't agree with it...

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The Dunning–Kruger effect is a cognitive bias in which an unskilled person makes poor decisions and reaches erroneous conclusions, but their incompetence denies them the metacognitive ability to realize their mistakes.[1] The unskilled therefore suffer from illusory superiority, rating their own ability as above average, much higher than it actually is, while the highly skilled underrate their abilities, suffering from illusory inferiority. This leads to the situation in which less competent people rate their own ability higher than more competent people. It also explains why actual competence may weaken self-confidence: because competent individuals falsely assume that others have an equivalent understanding. "Thus, the miscalibration of the incompetent stems from an error about the self, whereas the miscalibration of the highly competent stems from an error about others."[2]

"I proved OU beyond any reason of a doubt!".... (OmniBot, cca.2005-2010)

FFS...

Where the Hell is that proof of yours?

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1430 on: August 29, 2010, 09:26:42 PM »
The proof in question is for experts, not for dilettantes such as you. So, you may relax.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1431 on: August 29, 2010, 09:33:17 PM »
The proof in question is for experts, not for dilettantes such as you. So, you may relax.


So, I guess, no one will ever see that "proof" of yours?

Dilettantes? Ouch...  ;D


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1432 on: August 29, 2010, 09:55:51 PM »
The proof in question is for experts, not for dilettantes such as you. So, you may relax.
Try me!

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1433 on: August 29, 2010, 10:06:57 PM »
Dunning-Kruger effect? Right in the target. But Omnibot has been linked with that diagnosis many, many times before, at several forums...
Obviously, he doesn't agree with it...

"I proved OU beyond any reason of a doubt!".... (OmniBot, cca.2005-2010)

FFS...

Where the Hell is that proof of yours?
I think he knows very well that he suffers from this diagnosis. If he wasn't he would never bother to comment my post...


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1434 on: August 29, 2010, 11:12:34 PM »
Here is the short reply I got from Jovan Marjanovic about his theories:

“Theory ‘Kinetic Energy and Over Unity’ has been revoked. We found error concerning period of time T for a ball with initial velocity. It is not the same as if the ball didn’t have initial velocity.
We are sorry for confusion the theory caused and thanks to those who contributed in discussion.

Our official theory is ‘Theory of Gravity Machines’ http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Theory_of_Gravity_Machines.pdf which says that dynamic gravity shield effect caused difference in potential in two parts of the system and when difference in potential exists energy can flow from higher potential to lower one.

Sincerely
Jovan"


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1435 on: August 29, 2010, 11:37:01 PM »
I think he knows very well that he suffers from this diagnosis. If he wasn't he would never bother to comment my post...

That's correct, your posts should be ignored as any incompetent post should.

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1436 on: August 29, 2010, 11:38:48 PM »
Here is the short reply I got from Jovan Marjanovic about his theories:

“Theory ‘Kinetic Energy and Over Unity’ has been revoked. We found error concerning period of time T for a ball with initial velocity. It is not the same as if the ball didn’t have initial velocity.
We are sorry for confusion the theory caused and thanks to those who contributed in discussion.

Our official theory is ‘Theory of Gravity Machines’ http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Theory_of_Gravity_Machines.pdf which says that dynamic gravity shield effect caused difference in potential in two parts of the system and when difference in potential exists energy can flow from higher potential to lower one.

Sincerely
Jovan"

Well, but that's trivial, isn't it?

exnihiloest

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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1437 on: August 30, 2010, 08:55:24 AM »
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Assumptions such as the above regarding internal consistency are typical for stupid people.

You are right, intelligent people already know it. The "above" was particularly written for you.


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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1438 on: August 30, 2010, 09:22:18 AM »
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I have shown conclusively production of energy "out of nothing"
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Your delusion was interesting, at least to throw light for the psychiatric diagnosis.



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Re: 12 times more output than input, dual mechanical oscillation system !
« Reply #1439 on: August 30, 2010, 09:38:08 AM »
Here is the short reply I got from Jovan Marjanovic about his theories:

“Theory ‘Kinetic Energy and Over Unity’ has been revoked. We found error concerning period of time T for a ball with initial velocity. It is not the same as if the ball didn’t have initial velocity.
We are sorry for confusion the theory caused and thanks to those who contributed in discussion.

Our official theory is ‘Theory of Gravity Machines’ http://www.veljkomilkovic.com/Docs/Jovan_Marjanovic_Theory_of_Gravity_Machines.pdf which says that dynamic gravity shield effect caused difference in potential in two parts of the system and when difference in potential exists energy can flow from higher potential to lower one.

Sincerely
Jovan"

There are many other errors in Marjanovic's papers.
See http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=1763.msg244606#msg244606

1) his "theory" is flawed
2) there is no proved fact of OU in Milkovic's device therefore a theory is not needed

We are pleased to see that the point 2 is the solution for point 1.   :)