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Sergh

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #195 on: June 04, 2023, 02:07:29 AM »
Zografos says that he adds some colloids to the water. This video shows that he really adds something cloudy from the bottle to the water in the test tube. Is it really a colloid?
At the same time, he says, not quite legibly, 3 options:
Me colloids
Metacolloids
Metal colloids (about "metal" it is doubtful, and it is strange to add another metal colloid to a piece of metal)
https://youtu.be/KOLhzbZsAYA?t=65
What is this? Metacolloids - from the field of minerals. Rarely found word in Google. Nanotechnology, ground minerals, zeolites, etc.
In another video, he brought 4 jars of minerals (baby food type jars). In that video where a transparent device and a microscope.
No metal colloids, as everyone thought and shouted "colloidal silver."  No, that would be too easy.
Metacolloids from Zografos - some kind of minerals.

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #196 on: June 04, 2023, 03:17:12 AM »
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #197 on: June 04, 2023, 01:41:20 PM »
The question I still have wherefor does he use the aquarium  air pump for ?
Is there air pumped through the system to build up some pressure or is that
already generated hydrogen that he pumps through the system ??
Any idea ?
I tried to enhance the video quality by upscaling to 1080pand correcting the Gamma , Brightness and contrast somemore and sharpened it a bit more, so we can see thethings there a bit better , which are built on his Glas plate...
Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #198 on: June 04, 2023, 02:03:54 PM »
Thank you. I have watched a similar video before as soon as it was posted. Then, long ago, I took the mention of Zografosomo metacolloids as confirmation of a certain direction.
 
These white pieces, which Zograf shows under a microscope, are very similar to zeolite. Doesn't look like a metal alloy. Translation alone is not enough, and Zografos reveals little of important information. Analysis and independent thinking are needed.

What if the translation "alloy of metals" is incorrect? Maybe it's in Greek means "a mixture of metals"? Metacolloid is a mixture of colloidal particles.

Zeolites are aluminum, silicon, oxygen and some alkali or transition metal. Total 4.

https://www.911metallurgist.com/zeolites/
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ApplicationsH2O → O2 + H2.[/font][/size]In another zeolite-water interaction, a two-step thermo-chemical cycle for the decomposition of water using strong ionizing property of zeolites has been reported. Zeolites will induce electron transfer reactions between molecules and reduce multivalent cations of adsorbed molecules. A reaction cycle using the Cr³+-Cr²+ couple in mordenite was devised. Upon dehydration of the Cr³+ mordenite, reduction to Cr²+ occurs, with the evolution of oxygen. Upon rehydration, the divalent chromium oxidizes to Cr³+ with the evolution of hydrogen. Similar results were obtained with an In³+ exchanged mordenite. The zeolite used was a hydrogen form of synthetic mordenite.[/font][/size]
But 4 Zographos minerals can also mean something else, for example, a mixture or saturation of minerals with another substance.
A huge number of combinations determine the properties of zeolites, both natural and synthetic. Synthetic zeolites are produced by forming spheres from grown microcrystals. An individual microcrystal is a cluster of millions of nanoscale cellular structures with tunnels.

I suppose that these microcrystals are shown by Zografos in a microscope. In order to see nanostructures, high vacuum and an electron microscope are needed.

It is clear that this is all difficult and impossible for an engineer like Zografos. So his invention is based on some third-party research.

r2fpl

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #199 on: June 04, 2023, 02:17:58 PM »
The question I still have wherefor does he use the aquarium  air pump for ?
Is there air pumped through the system to build up some pressure or is that
already generated hydrogen that he pumps through the system ??
Any idea ?
I tried to enhance the video quality by upscaling to 1080pand correcting the Gamma , Brightness and contrast somemore and sharpened it a bit more, so we can see thethings there a bit better , which are built on his Glas plate...
Regards, Stefan.


It looks like an air pump for an aquarium.
He also talks about some silicone. It is visible in every device as red silicone.

Sergh

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #200 on: June 04, 2023, 08:00:05 PM »
By video.
1. Zografos most likely receives a mixture of oxygen and hydrogen.
How to separate a mixture of gases? Hydrogen is much lighter than oxygen, if you fill a vertical tube with the mixture,
hydrogen will probably accumulate at the top.
The oxygen is probably passed through the water and pump 1, then through the filter to be purified, but from what?

2. According to my experiments, zeolite powder is very volatile. It quickly clogs all pipes and valves, if you do not put good filters.
Silicone tubes become white and opaque due to zeolite powder.
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #201 on: June 04, 2023, 09:40:03 PM »
R2fpl and Sergh,
Many thanks for the pictures
please keep on to analysis this video
Many thanks.Regards, Stefan.

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #202 on: June 04, 2023, 11:19:35 PM »

https://forum-zougla-gr.translate.goog/topic/509-%CE%B7%CE%BB%CE%B5%CE%BA%CF%84%CF%81%CE%BF%CE%BC%CE%B1%CE%B3%CE%BD%CE%B7%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE-%CE%BC%CE%B5%CE%B3%CE%AD%CE%B8%CF%85%CE%BD%CF%83%CE%B7/?_x_tr_sl=el&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en
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 For water we can talk about stages of superconductivity in some phases of the process.

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« Reply #203 on: June 05, 2023, 04:13:40 PM »
Many thanks for the Greek forum which I did not yet know..
There he also writes about heterodyn oscillators and side Band frequencies
generation with his oscillators..
So I wonder if he also had it in this small toy box with these side oscillators at the outside wall of this plastic box...?? Did he use there also different frequencies so he could split the water more effectivly with his sum and difference frequencies ??
Normally for just one frequency , one pcb board at one wall should be sufficient...So he is probably also using 2 frequencies there, because he uses 2 oscillator pcbs..
Regards, Stefan.

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« Reply #204 on: June 05, 2023, 04:21:47 PM »
Also are you sure he is using a Nafion fuel cell to produce the output power? because George Schoell said he uses Gunn Diodes but maybe he-mixed that also up and Zografos used them only  for the input gigahertz frequencies, he uses to split the water via the caralyst...hmm..

Sergh

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #205 on: June 05, 2023, 09:03:52 PM »
So I wonder if he also had it in this small toy box with these side oscillators at the outside wall of this plastic box...?? Did he use there also different frequencies so he could split the water more effectivly with his sum and difference frequencies ??
Normally for just one frequency , one pcb board at one wall should be sufficient...So he is probably also using 2 frequencies there, because he uses 2 oscillator pcbs..
Regards, Stefan.
Yes, it can be. There are industrial broadband generators in which the frequency is obtained as the difference between the frequencies of two generators. For example, the case when it is necessary to synthesize low frequencies with the possibility of electronic tuning. Old analog generators.

Zografos wrote or said somewhere that he uses an ordinary frequency synthesizer that generates a relatively low frequency, then multiplies the frequency and forms a phase shift.

Where did it all begin? He claimed that he forms two microwave frequencies, shifted in phase one relative to the other by a certain "magic angle" characteristic of a water molecule. And the water molecules begin to rotate from this and fall apart into hydrogen and oxygen.
300 GHz. Doubtful. I don't see his equipment for such frequencies.
 Then some metal was needed, then a certain metal alloy + metacolloid became needed, then it turned out that this metal alloy was made up of 4 components, some minerals. And this "alloy of metals" of Zografos is not at all like an alloy of metals.

And in the last video with transparent components, somehow they completely forgot about the microwave. Why? Or is it still there?
Some kind of independent source based on a klystron, a generator on Gunn diodes or IMPATT diodes (more efficient).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunn_diode

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMPATT_diode

Or Zografos suggests that in his process of decomposition of water with metacolloids (mixtures of colloids of different minerals) there must be some very high frequency, but this is his theoretical assumption.
Also are you sure he is using a Nafion fuel cell to produce the output power?
Zografos shows that hydrogen is released in the installation in the form of gas bubbles.
How to make electricity from hydrogen? What are the ways?
One way is with a membrane and a catalyst.
I'm not sure what exactly in that big block, with Plexiglas ends held together with long bolts. But the design is very similar to a battery of membrane fuel cells.

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« Reply #206 on: June 06, 2023, 08:08:08 AM »
Yes, it can be. There are industrial broadband generators in which the frequency is obtained as the difference between the frequencies of two generators. For example, the case when it is necessary to synthesize low frequencies with the possibility of electronic tuning. Old analog generators.

Zografos wrote or said somewhere that he uses an ordinary frequency synthesizer that generates a relatively low frequency, then multiplies the frequency and forms a phase shift.

Where did it all begin? He claimed that he forms two microwave frequencies, shifted in phase one relative to the other by a certain "magic angle" characteristic of a water molecule. And the water molecules begin to rotate from this and fall apart into hydrogen and oxygen.
300 GHz. Doubtful. I don't see his equipment for such frequencies.
 Then some metal was needed, then a certain metal alloy + metacolloid became needed, then it turned out that this metal alloy was made up of 4 components, some minerals. And this "alloy of metals" of Zografos is not at all like an alloy of metals.

And in the last video with transparent components, somehow they completely forgot about the microwave. Why? Or is it still there?
Some kind of independent source based on a klystron, a generator on Gunn diodes or IMPATT diodes (more efficient).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunn_diode

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMPATT_diode

Or Zografos suggests that in his process of decomposition of water with metacolloids (mixtures of colloids of different minerals) there must be some very high frequency, but this is his theoretical assumption.Zografos shows that hydrogen is released in the installation in the form of gas bubbles.
How to make electricity from hydrogen? What are the ways?
One way is with a membrane and a catalyst.
I'm not sure what exactly in that big block, with Plexiglas ends held together with long bolts. But the design is very similar to a battery of membrane fuel cells.


The surface of the hydrogen exchanger is appropriate to the amount of current at the output, so it's quite possible that this is a normal process as we know it from hydrogen fuel cells.
What is important is the production of hydrogen.
Doing two frequencies and shifting them in phase and working at high frequencies in general corresponds to the NMR spin function of the hydrogen nucleus.
 If this is true, there are more devices that are very similar to NMR: Meyer, Colman, Steven Mark and even Kapanadze.
The most important thing is to choose the frequency and strength of the magnetic field because these are the key operating parameters for NMR.
Anyone who knows how NMR works also knows that these values are arbitrary but very closely related to each other.

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« Reply #207 on: June 06, 2023, 08:49:37 AM »
NMR is useless for producing hydrogen.
 
In medicine, high-power NMR, the resonance of hydrogen atoms is used, and not a single patient has yet been torn apart by a lot of gas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_resonance_imaging

In general, resonance is a dead end. Resonance can only do something third, and it is impossible to get energy only due to resonance.
Dissociated water, water with broken bonds between hydrogen and oxygen, has exactly the same amount of energy as was spent on this breaking of bonds.
 Nothing extra appears.
This is probably why Zografos is talking about metacolloids, nanotechnologies and "alloy of metals from 4 minerals." :)

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« Reply #208 on: June 06, 2023, 11:40:09 AM »
NMR - maybe you're right that it's not that technology. It just matches what we see.
Zografos makes demonstrations instead of implementing it in the industry. There's something disturbing here.

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« Reply #209 on: June 06, 2023, 12:11:49 PM »
  and not a single patient has yet been torn apart by a lot of gas.

Does the so-called spontaneous human combustion happen ? Or it's брехня? :)

They say there was such a case in Minsk, and there are living witnesses.
https://www.fern-flower.org/ru/facts/fact-1569851687