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Offline Sergh

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #210 on: June 06, 2023, 01:00:06 PM »
Does the so-called spontaneous human combustion happen ?
But there aren't any NMR machines around. And in general, when searching by the names of the participants, nothing is found except for a couple of dubious sites.
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #211 on: June 06, 2023, 11:43:39 PM »
Yes, please keep this topic straight ontopic and not offtopic with no mysterious stuff about "burning humans"...
Many thanks.
Regards, Stefan.
I have to read more on hellagen.gr with a translator to see the latest posts from Zografos there,he also has something there about fuel cells...
Maybe he is really a stack of a fuelcell in his 20 LED Lights Demonstation..
For what do you think he uses these Thermostats ?

Do you think the water is getting hot in there ? At least he has a fan also blowing onto his copper spiral pipes, so I guessthe thermostats are to switch off the current if it is getting all too hot ??
Regards, STefan.

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #212 on: June 06, 2023, 11:52:18 PM »
Here is something about Fuel Cells on his websites:

https://www-hellagen-gr.translate.goog/epistimoniki-dikaiosi/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp
And here is something from this page especially for Wesley ( user Stivep ), who always says, that Carnot can not be broken and no OU is possible  ::) ::) :P :

And this is because in Greece, as early as 2016,  Petros Zografos  clearly referred to the possibilities of bypassing the second law of thermodynamics and non-application of the Carnot theorem, while he also published a related analysis-study entitled "Bypassing the Carnot restrictive provision of the 2nd law of thermodynamics" in the journal  Physic News  (issue 24, September 2018, pp. 32-37), published by the Union of Hellenic Physicists (E.E.F.).
Petros Zografou's scientific findings on the possibilities of circumventing Carnot's theorem, the second law of thermodynamics, which formed the theoretical basis of the great invention, were met by some representatives of the "holding" academic and scientific community with contempt and discredit, since neither more nor less it was considered that the second law of thermodynamics is always applied, forgetting of course what was said by Heraclitus "everything says and nothing remains"...
The bright exceptions of independent scientists but also of the Union of Greek Physicists, which was the first to accept the scientific documentation of Petros Zografou, were not enough to push young scientists in particular to corresponding research for the benefit of science and innovation, but also of Greek society in general. since our country could take the lead in applied scientific research for the production of hydrogen and consequent electricity.

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #213 on: June 07, 2023, 09:09:30 AM »
For what do you think he uses these Thermostats ?
Do you think the water is getting hot in there ? At least he has a fan also blowing onto his copper spiral pipes, so I guessthe thermostats are to switch off the current if it is getting all too hot ??

About "copper spiral pipes":
https://c8.alamy.com/compde/hrnrp3/destillation-mit-einem-metallischen-noch-1892-hrnrp3.jpg
but:
https://www.advocard.de/streitlotse/internet-und-konsum/schnaps-selber-brennen-regelungen-ab-2018/

I also don’t quite understand what is so hot there, but copper coils, as for moonshine, are often found in Zografos installations.
Presumably, the upper thermostat turns on the copper spiral fan when the temperature exceeds the set one.
If you think deductively, why did Zografos get the idea to install such coolers, similar to the coolers of the moonshine still? Probably because this cooler of his performs a similar function, the cooler condenses the steam.
Probably the gases after the reaction are wet, and he needs to separate the gases from the water vapor.

And this is because in Greece, as early as 2016,  Petros Zografos  clearly referred to the possibilities of bypassing the second law of thermodynamics and non-application of the Carnot theorem, while he also published a related analysis-study entitled "Bypassing the Carnot restrictive provision of the 2nd law of thermodynamics" in the journal  Physic News  (issue 24, September 2018, pp. 32-37), published by the Union of Hellenic Physicists (E.E.F.).
Petros Zografou's scientific findings on the possibilities of circumventing Carnot's theorem, the second law of thermodynamics, which formed the theoretical basis of the great invention, were met by some representatives of the "holding" academic and scientific community with contempt and discredit, since neither more nor less it was considered that the second law of thermodynamics is always applied, forgetting of course what was said by Heraclitus "everything says and nothing remains"...
The bright exceptions of independent scientists but also of the Union of Greek Physicists, which was the first to accept the scientific documentation of Petros Zografou, were not enough to push young scientists in particular to corresponding research for the benefit of science and innovation, but also of Greek society in general. since our country could take the lead in applied scientific research for the production of hydrogen and consequent electricity.

Stefan, we don't know what this is about.
  Zografos is not a scientist. He can say and write anything, but does he have the fundamental knowledge of everything to assert the truth of his ideas? It takes more than Einstein to defeat the 2nd law of thermodynamics and the Carnot cycle.
What is this, the invincible 2nd law and the Carnot cycle in general?
In a primitive sense, according to these laws, it is by no means possible to create, for example, a heat pump that could at least work without supplying any energy from outside. For example, it is impossible to make your refrigerator work only on the energy of the heat pumped out by it from the internal chambers. He definitely needs electricity from the outlet.

In a global sense, this is the concept of the inevitable increase in entropy in our Universe. Every process in the universe occurs with the dissipation of energy from a denser state to a less dense one. No one has ever observed the reverse process, in the end it all comes down to dispersion and chaos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMJNta-okRw

But where does energy come from in our world? Where did some ordering and separation come from, in the first place? "Big Bang"? Was he? If not, then what?
Let's assume that before the times that are supposed to be the beginning of our Universe, "time in space did not flow".
But time is a fundamental parameter of our world, our space cannot exist without time. Probably both space in its current form and solid matter did not exist then. Until something happened. But what?
The problem is that we cannot think in terms that go beyond the stereotypes of our space and time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9Unv1xT1FM


Dear participants of the topic!
Take a constructive part in the discussion!
Do not overestimate my abilities and do not underestimate yours!  :)

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #214 on: June 07, 2023, 12:29:47 PM »
here is intelligent woman ! :o
« Last Edit: June 07, 2023, 02:58:52 PM by kolbacict »

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #215 on: June 07, 2023, 01:08:56 PM »
Please post only in English language over here.
If you don't speak English, use Google translator or Deeple translator
before posting. Thanks.
« Last Edit: June 08, 2023, 03:40:58 PM by hartiberlin »

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #216 on: June 07, 2023, 01:28:35 PM »
kolbacict:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatyana_Afanasyeva
Her Mathematics looks somehow incomprehensible. Well, I'm not much of an expert on this.
Afanasyeva mixed abstract concepts and the real world. And more emotions, ambitions.  :-\
Max Planck: 2+2=4
Afanasyeva: No, this is a mistake, it must be 5. because I really want to. Therefore, let's take one variable from the abstract world, and the other from the real.

In mathematical simulators, perpetuum mobiles work:
https://overunity.com/9174/leveraged-pendulum-perpetuum-mobile-simulation-works/

Black Hole Thermodynamics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYD-YfuM-uo
« Last Edit: June 07, 2023, 04:00:49 PM by Sergh »

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #217 on: June 07, 2023, 05:50:16 PM »
It's a pity that video not english.  I like it.
I do not knew Afanasyeva earlier,I have seen her in  that video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8PaaZBuYOlc

p.s.
No power lines at all.  :)


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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #219 on: June 08, 2023, 03:49:11 PM »
Please keep this topic ontopic to discuss the Zografos inventions.
Many thanks for understanding.
Regards, Stefan. ( Admin)

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #220 on: June 09, 2023, 10:12:36 AM »
Strange parts in the Zografos device.
I can't classify them exactly. Although by the appearance of these parts it can be assumed that they are not homemade, but industrially manufactured
Help needed!

Who can identify these parts?

1. A black object with 2 thin silicone pipes entering from above. On the left pipe there is a non-return valve for the aquarium. At the bottom of the object you can see what looks like an adjusting bolt. But it is not exactly. I assumed it object as the pump. But not sure. Can anyone identify this object?

2. An object in front of a small fan. Something needs cooling. Visually it looks like a reel, in which 2 tubes enter from the end. The color of one of the pipes is yellowish.

3. The cone-shaped metal part on the jar is probably something from gas equipment. I saw something similar for gas, but I don’t know the name and functionality.
Under it is a transparent container with liquid, it seems.
A dark gray-yellow cylinder with a lid is attached to this container. 2 wires are connected to it, which go to radio components, like a transistor and a capacitor or inductor. Doesn't look like a power circuit.

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #221 on: June 15, 2023, 03:02:09 PM »

Yes, I made a similar antenna at about 22 GHz, because that's where one of the resonances of microwave absorption by water is located.

There you are. :)

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #222 on: June 19, 2023, 01:15:46 PM »
Did they themselves come up with the idea that the frequency ranges of radio transparency are related to resonance?
In general, the resonance is usually determined by the maximum absorption of microwave energy.

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #223 on: July 10, 2023, 09:51:59 AM »
So what about these frames from the Zografos video? Did no one recognize the type of devices used by Petros Zografos?  :(
https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg578740/#msg578740

The devices look like factory-made.