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Title: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Panos25 on February 24, 2016, 04:25:55 PM
There are two machines made from Petros Zografos.

One generates huge amounts of HHO and the other generates directly electricity.
The main principle of both machines is the same and they do not work with any kind of electrolysis.

The production of the HHO is done by bombarding water with high frequency electromagnetic waves in a scale of THz ( the exact frequency is kept secret).
In order to achieve the reaction we need two more things, one is a metal alloy ( again a secret, but it is made from very common metals, as the inventor says) and the second is a kind of colloid ( once again a secret, but there are no more secrets, this is the last one! :) )

In the process of HHO production the metal alloy disintegrates and the device producing almost 47 MJoule/Kgr = 13 KWh (per kilo of metal alloy) with a cost of 0.8 Euros/Kgr ( in the articles they say 7-8 euros/Kgr but in mass production it costs 0.8 euro/Kgr or less)
The power consumption of the electromagnetic wave generator is 350 mWatt which it is been produced from the device itself.

The device became known to the public from a popular Greek journalist Makis Triantafilopoulos by presenting it on his internet TV Channel of zougla.gr

There are plenty of videos presenting the device and opening it down to the core! there are no hidden wires or batteries.

It can supply power for devices like drills and heaters ( the device he is presenting on the TV show is 700W output)


Here are some links : (sorry almost everything is in Greek)

inventors bio: https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A0%CE%AD%CF%84%CF%81%CE%BF%CF%82_%CE%96%CF%89%CE%B3%CF%81%CE%AC%CF%86%CE%BF%CF%82

TV Show - Demo of HHO device: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaPonbPUQ_I&spfreload=10
TV Show - Demo of electricity production device: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sK9ceGtry8&spfreload=10

HHO device running a motorbike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWQHV1zXcD0&spfreload=10

device tear down:
main body: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Ps1R03WqM&spfreload=10
core         : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehbuUxqM4Zk&spfreload=10

The patent and schematics are here:
http://www.hellagen.gr/search/label/ΠΑΤΕΝΤΑ

site dedicated to the invention: http://www.hellagen.gr

You can find much more information by googling "Petros Zografos" or "Πετρος Ζωγραφος"

This subject was mentioned here before, in 3-4 posts in another discussion but I believe it worths a discussion of his own due to the big impact that creates in energy production.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: EdChe on August 07, 2017, 04:49:21 AM
What about 13.56 MHz?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: EdChe on August 07, 2017, 07:26:05 PM
Test tube in an RF machine at 13.56 MHz with saltwater produces pure constant flame above it:

Water As Fuel Unlocked by Frequency Resonance:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8xYUDiSGDk

Salt Water Into Fuel (HD3 News):  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGg0ATfoBgo


"Instead of broadly slamming the water molecule with an offset voltage for hydrolysis - the applied voltage is specifically applied in a process that coaxes the hydrogen atom off the water molecule. For example, this is rather like getting a singer on precisely the right pitch to break a glass. In this case, to use the analogy, the glass is the precise bond geometry of hydrogen.

"This approach well result in a drastic reduction in the power or wattage required for splitting hydrogen from water. This means virtually unlimited energy from water on demand. The commercial possibilities are obviously planetary, revolutionary, carbon neutral, renewable and profitable.

"This technology can be upsized or downsized as required to accommodate small, medium or large generator systems as well. Other engines for our consideration would be older diesel trucks that will have great difficulty in passing future emission regulations. In fact this market is huge."

More examples:
Produce clean gaseous fuels for gas welding equipment
Hydrogen for various applications including in ceramic fuel cells for converting it directly to electricity
Oxyhydrogen for industrial use
Hot water heater, stove, domestic furnace
Fuel enhancement to improve combustibility
Fuel vehicles, tractors, generators of all kinds, pumps, heavy machinery


A Resonant energy transfer.
Up to 1500 degrees Centigrade.

Ed.

Source:  http://breakthru-technologies.com/technologies/fractal-field-technologies
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: pomodoro on August 08, 2017, 02:19:10 AM
Its good to be excited about these claims but take them all with a grain of salt. The first law of thermodynamics dictates that no matter how you break up the water molecule, the same energy is required. In other words they all use the same energy. Considering normal electrolysis is already quite efficient if done properly, when you take into consideration fancy power supplies, rf generators etc, these other methods, if they actually work, will use more power than a simple DC setup for electrolysis.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on June 11, 2018, 05:10:34 PM
A homemade generator at 22 - 24 GHz is ready. What's next?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: memoryman on June 11, 2018, 05:58:02 PM
The original article mentions THz; the photo show 17-26GHz. Care to explain?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on June 11, 2018, 07:55:56 PM
The original article mentions THz;
This is technically impossible. All equipment, waveguides, filters, etc., which we see on the video Zografos, no more than 20 -25 GHz.

For the THz range, it would be completely different equipment. It is hardly possible to buy it.

The spectrum analyzers on its video are no more than 1 - 1.5 GHz. Their description can be found on the Internet by reading the model from the video.

Flexible gold-plated waveguides no more than 10 - 12 GHz. This is determined by the size of the hole.

Cross section of standard waveguides:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide_(electromagnetism) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waveguide_(electromagnetism))

Standard waveguide type WR3 is for frequencies not more as 220.00 - 330.00 GHz. There are no standard waveguides of higher frequencies.

The internal window size of such a waveguide is very small, 0.0340 × 0.0170 inches. Only a very small ant passes through this waveguide. I cannot see this small waveguide on Zografos video.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: memoryman on June 11, 2018, 09:32:33 PM
I am not disagreeing with you: just pointed out the discrepancy.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: centraflow on June 12, 2018, 06:09:23 PM
Its good to be excited about these claims but take them all with a grain of salt. The first law of thermodynamics dictates that no matter how you break up the water molecule, the same energy is required. In other words they all use the same energy. Considering normal electrolysis is already quite efficient if done properly, when you take into consideration fancy power supplies, rf generators etc, these other methods, if they actually work, will use more power than a simple DC setup for electrolysis.


What you say is true about normal electrolysis, but you can make it way over 100% efficient for hydrogen production. You are going to say how is that possible?


Well you don't need the oxygen, in fact the oxygen mixed with the hydrogen is in most cases a problem. So what do we do with the oxygen?


You use it to oxidise a metal (nickel oxide to nickel hydroxide oxide is excellent). Oxygen is a very electromotive atom, it is what creates the charge in rechargeable batteries.


This you use to create more hydrogen and the system was invented by me for cheap hydrogen production from water, given free for anyone to use. It has been published and replicated, it is called SMD hydrogen from water, it reduces power input by over 30%.


Regards


Mike 8)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Paul-R on June 12, 2018, 06:25:31 PM
The first law of thermodynamics dictates that no matter how you break up the water molecule, the same energy is required. In other words they all use the same energy.
Bob Boyce et alia put that argument to bed years ago. Do you still believe that nobody has exceeded Faraday's rule?

John Worrell Keely got results from 42.8khz, a figure used by Bob Boyce, along with one octave lower and another an octave lower than that, all at the same time. Clipped sharp pulses.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on June 14, 2018, 04:44:46 PM
I do not understand how Zografos converts hydrogen into electricity. Membranes do not allow to be obtained a large current and voltage  by a simple method.
This patent can clarify this, with using Circuit 3, but probably it is not so easy as described:
https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2409704C1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2409704C1/en)

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The chemically pure water at a temperature of 25 ° C for about one to 5 × 10 September molecule dissociates according to the scheme 2 O↔N H + + OH - [Physical Encyclopedia.   T.1, M .: «Soviet Encyclopedia", 1988, s.296].  When exposed to varying electric, magnetic and electromagnetic fields to water (aqueous electrolyte), the frequency and direction selectively effects affect the degree of water dissociation.   The mechanism of this influence is explained as follows.    Vibrations of molecules - one of the basic types of intramolecular motion, wherein there is a periodic change in the relative location of the nuclei of atoms constituting the molecule.   The water molecule has two valence vibrations and one strain [Physical Encyclopedia.   V.2, M .: "Soviet Encyclopedia", 1990, s.405].  In addition, the atoms in interaction with each other in a condensed medium to which the liquid and solid state, always acquire electric charge, becoming positively or negatively charged ions [Physical Encyclopedia.   Vol.1, M .: "Soviet Encyclopedia", 1988, s.694, 695].   Thus, atoms in a condensed medium can be regarded as mechanical mikroostsillyatory having a certain mass and electric charge.   When exposed to the condensed medium by an alternating electric, magnetic or electromagnetic field oscillating ions interact with these fields, forming a mechanical oscillating system.  If the natural frequency of the chemical element is a multiple of the frequency of the alternating field acting atom, resonance occurs at harmonics [Physical Encyclopedia.   Volume 4, M .: Scientific Publishers "Great Russian Encyclopedia", 1994, s.308, 309].  The kinetic energy of the resonating atoms increases, thereby increasing the probability of breaking of covalent bonds between hydrogen and oxygen, and the degree of dissociation of water increases.
   Experiments on the effects of alternating electric fields conducted in distilled water.  Of a plurality of natural frequencies of water molecules for resonance oscillations impact frequency used in relation to which the natural frequencies of oscillation of the hydrogen atoms relative to the oxygen atoms and oxygen atoms with respect to the hydrogen atoms are multiple.  By calculation using the method given in the article I.M.Kavitskogo et al. "Mechanism of impact modifiers when structure formation in ductile iron, spheroidal and compacted graphite" [Kavitsky IM, Rushanik BA   and Demidov AA  The mechanism of structure formation impact modifiers in ductile cast iron with nodular and compacted graphite // Ironshaper Russia, 2008. - №10 str.25-29] determined frequency, in relation to which the natural frequency of the hydrogen atoms relative to the oxygen atoms and oxygen atoms with respect to the hydrogen atoms It is a multiple of.   They are respectively hydrogen for 9,735 × 10 11 Hz and an oxygen 6,133 × 10 10 Hz.   Capabilities allow the generator used to operate at a frequency of 0.1 MHz to 3.2 MHz.  From this condition for the experiments on the effects on the water chose two frequency groups: the first group with a deviation from the multiplicity calculation of the oscillation frequency to the actuating frequency of the first significant digit of hydrogen and oxygen to 5%, the second group with a deviation from the multiplicity of more than 5% (see. table).   The frequencies of the first group: 0.106 MHz, 0.315 MHz, 1.64 MHz, 2.5 MHz.   The electricity consumption for the preparation of 1 m 3 of hydrogen when exposed to these low frequencies.
   The frequencies of the second group: 0.5 MHz, 0.7 MHz, 1.3 MHz.   Exposure to these frequencies less effectively.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on June 18, 2018, 08:18:37 AM
green matrix. generator 24 Ghz. how did you do it? the dragon hates me. Can not see there. :)
p.s. Oh, shit,I did not see above. Is that the one?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on June 18, 2018, 12:34:51 PM
The generator works, but creates a lot of harmonics. Need another Gunn diode. Those that are - at higher frequencies. Perhaps this is the reason.
Diodes are ordered from the online store. Will be in a week.
Now I'm thinking about how to use this generator. He is very weak.
It is necessary to invent a microwave input into water without big losses.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on June 18, 2018, 04:38:52 PM
yet they say the Gunn diode oscillator efficiency is small.
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Now I'm thinking about how to use this generator. He is very weak.

place the diode crystal in water? why not, the voltage there is small.fill the resonator with water.
p.s. and if one of the resonators of the magnetron of the appropriate frequency is filled with water?  :)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on June 18, 2018, 04:56:09 PM
https://vimeo.com/262540126 (https://vimeo.com/262540126)
denunciation of Kuznetsov overunity electrolyzers
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Acca on June 20, 2018, 07:50:50 PM
Sergh thanks for the Russian patent link it was very helpful, there is more than way to split water below the 4.2 Kw m3 cu. RF is the way Zografos uses that way. I am suspecting that Ag ionic solution in water is added to water, as I am formulating the ppm of Ag in ppm is needed to make that effect . In the videos of P.Z. he drinks the water as it has to be safe for him to drink. As to metals P.Z. adds to the test tube is there for resonance as one needs a beat frequency as a base to create a oscillations to split water.  Not a standing wave but a "superposition" wave.. P.Z. spectrum display shows that the frequency is in the 250 to 350 GHZ. so it has to be a harmonic of the lower frequency which is indicated by the size of the wave guide .. as to prevent HHO from falling back to a lower energy level one has to maintain that oscillations as shown in the video where P.Z. shuts off the RF and the flame goes out.  I am certain that John Kanzius had the right method, however he was not at the right resonance , 13. Mhz is the industrial set aside frequency that is aviable to most sputtering systems and you may want to be else where say at 200. Mhz like the Coleman patent to generate alpha and beta...  I will post some clips like the method the Herman Anderson has dome spark oscillations.. See his clip as the end is priceless it's there PWM sparks from a motorized automotive distributor that can be controlled by varying speed of the frequency some what Bob Boyce did with the half wave failed six diode bank in his alternator.


Acca.  keep on as Zografos will save Greece from the robber banksters..
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on June 24, 2018, 09:00:07 AM
what is the actual effect of the pressure in the cell on the production of gas?
in the well-known Faraday formula, there is neither temperature nor pressure
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on August 27, 2018, 08:35:17 PM
Where is Sergh ? This is for him.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on October 30, 2018, 09:36:05 AM
The original article mentions THz; the photo show 17-26GHz. Care to explain?
https://youtu.be/NFv3LYeaFSc?t=4088 (https://youtu.be/NFv3LYeaFSc?t=4088In)

In this video, at 1:06:00, we are seeing a Tektronix 494 spectrum analyzer. It can display a signal spectrum up to 325 GHz.             
But...(!) It can do this correctly only with additional external mixers WM490. The mixer consists of a waveguide and a special mixing diode installed in it, which receives the frequency from the heterodyne (local oscillator) in the spectrum analyzer. Without this external mixer, this spectrum analyzer can display signals up to 21 GHz.
https://nscainc.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/TEK_492BP.pdf (https://nscainc.com/wp-content/uploads/pdf/TEK_492BP.pdf)

    Tektronix WM490 mixers set:


http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/WM490 (http://w140.com/tekwiki/wiki/WM490)
A coaxial cable to this mixer must be plugged into the connector at the bottom in the center. But in the Zogrfos video this connector is not connected to anything.

The connector on the bottom right is designed to measure without a external mixer up to 21 GHz.    In this coaxial connector is inserted a crocodile clip (?... :o ), to which a common wire is connected. :-\     This is not good, but with a high sensitivity of the spectrum analyzer it may be enough to estimate the presence of a microwave..

 http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/auctions/main_lg.jpg (http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/auctions/main_lg.jpg)
What was the real frequency if the Tektronix 494 spectrum analyzer displays ~ 289 - 325 GHz on the screen without mixer? Who has such a device? Please сheck it.
I guess it shows a frequency of about 20 GHz.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 09, 2019, 11:15:43 PM
Who has any idea what it is?
http://petrosz.blogspot.com/2017/02/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_Ps1R03WqM
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 10, 2019, 11:31:56 AM

Translation of text in Greek, which is printed above the circuits:
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it would be possible to project the non-element of the hydrogen element based on the lack of luster, which characterizes metals. However, we can call the hydrogen as an amorphous gas, as we could call gaseous metal KCO mercury and / or lead and zinc and any metal if and on Earth , what happens to the Sun and other sparkling stars, where the temperature is such that all the bodies are in a gaseous state.
This is about the fact that hydrogen, oddly enough, is a metal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallic_hydrogen)

I do not know how this fact can help.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on April 10, 2019, 05:31:55 PM
the clown knows.  :)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on April 11, 2019, 09:28:51 AM
Well, as we know, each higher harmonic in power is weaker . If we assume that we pump something else with a low frequency. Gigahertz there will be a cat crying. :)
one more, in the pictures of any devices there, we see a very large difference in the absorption of matter at the resonant frequency, compared to other frequencies. In radio engineering, this corresponds to an oscillatory system with high Q-factor. Is not it? Is it possible to use water itself as a resonator, and not to generate microwave energy from the outside and launch (direct) it into water?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 11, 2019, 11:31:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vrs5_qOeOAQ

This work as transmitting antenna:
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on April 12, 2019, 10:21:11 AM
What is dimension your replication ?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 12, 2019, 10:07:23 PM
The dimensions are approximately the same as in the video from Petros Zografos.
To determine the size I used as sample the white cable that is present in the video. Very roughly.
Transmission lines 16 millimeters, "wings" 22 millimeters by 6 millimeters. The base material is the microwave Teflon 2,5 mm thick. 
Due to the large thickness of dielectric base the line width is increased.I tried to install this antenna near the flange of the waveguide or near the detector diode. The amplitude of the received signal increases significantly.I was planning to solder a Gunn diode in the center hole, but it overheated during soldering.It is a pity that a diode of this size was only one at these frequencies.  I have such diodes for higher frequencies. I will try later with it, it will be soldered with the Rose alloy.
I found interesting Greek article about experiments with underwater communication in the microwave range, from a city called Zografos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zografou)  :o :
Thomas Κ. Mpountas, DimitraI. Kaklamani
National Technical University of Athens
School of Electrical and Computer Engineering
9 IroonPolytechniouStr., 15780 Zografos, Athens, Greece

https://www.e-fermat.org/files/communication/Alvertos-COMM-2017-Vol20-Mar.-Apr.-018.pdf
 (https://www.e-fermat.org/files/communication/Alvertos-COMM-2017-Vol20-Mar.-Apr.-018.pdf)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 13, 2019, 10:11:37 AM
My guess is that at the same time is need a microwave and a low-frequency magnetic field and special conditions, the composition of the liquid. Magnetic and microwave fields are required in the same way as in the NMR tomograph. NMR tomograph has not only a superconducting magnet, but also gradient coils, creating a gradient magnetic field, that forms a 3D image. In addition, a high-frequency field is needed at the resonant frequency of the substance, which absorbs the RF signal only on a narrow gradient of a certain magnetization.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on April 13, 2019, 03:38:04 PM
Here I am about the same. Why everyone wants to introduce microwave energy from the air. waveguide or coaxial. Inside the water, without leaving the water, what prevents to do this?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 13, 2019, 09:38:28 PM
I tried. Don't work. The generator does not start, or works very poorly. Water absorbs energy and the generator does not produce power. Probably needed other  antennas and generators to create HF vibrations directly in the water. But all components are designed to work with RF transmission in air.


See graphic curves in a Greek article about underwater WiFi communication:

https://www.e-fermat.org/files/communication/Alvertos-COMM-2017-Vol20-Mar.-Apr.-018.pdf (https://www.e-fermat.org/files/communication/Alvertos-COMM-2017-Vol20-Mar.-Apr.-018.pdf)
At frequencies of 20 - 24 GHz, everything is absolutely bad.
Microwave hardly penetrates into highly purified deionized water. Must hope only on the surface of the water. By the way, Petros seems so. In the video with a Bow-Tie antenna.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on April 14, 2019, 04:28:42 PM
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I tried. Don't work. The generator does not start, or works very poorly.
something I do not understand, in this case, what could be wifi under water.?

p.s. https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/dlattach/attach/169242/ (https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/dlattach/attach/169242/)
Has anyone looked at this?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 15, 2019, 02:14:04 PM
I read this...
Site 15:0,000000000000001 Watt pro square centimeter, very small
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on April 16, 2019, 10:13:20 PM
And if you transfer the resonators of the magnetron from the vacuum zone and fill them with water. At least some of them ...
At least the cooling will be perfect.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 17, 2019, 01:28:01 PM
Why do you suppose that at resonance the output energy will be increased? This is not a laser or a maser. Irradiated with a frequency of ~62 GHz, receive 1 GHz with a noise level.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on April 17, 2019, 07:18:53 PM
 Not really. I mean that the microwave energy is inside the resonator, and the coupling loop, waveguides, etc., is an extra loss, an unnecessary part ... :)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 17, 2019, 08:34:12 PM
http://globalwave.tv/kushelev/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=49&sid=fbc2da923ef325a6782e6431e7e894ce&start=990 (http://globalwave.tv/kushelev/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=49&sid=fbc2da923ef325a6782e6431e7e894ce&start=990)
New video from Kushelev about dangerous experiment with ruby and sapphire spheres and powerfull military magnetron to get an infinite source of light and energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=051q3UhLPjg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=051q3UhLPjg)
 ;D

 
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on April 18, 2019, 08:53:58 PM
funny video. With Kushelev everything is clear, but the guy correctly says that 34GHz is not dangerous?
And the guy’s collection is serious,indeed.  8)  Wesley is resting with his stuff. :)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 22, 2019, 09:46:19 AM
It is assumed that only the heating effect is harmful from the microwave. A pulsed magnetron has a high pulse power. These are tens and hundreds of kilowatts. But the pulse duration is very small. The pause between pulses is very large. Therefore, the heating is relatively small.

This video shows how weak the heat from a pulsed  radar microwave:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-czRE9rdHMA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-czRE9rdHMA)
The question remains: what effects can be other than heating?
This is a really hard question. On the Internet, there is little to find. Real scientists deny any non-thermal effects.

The main thing is not to turn to the side of unverified rumors and nonsense about something "Mumbo-Jumbo" from the microwave.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 22, 2019, 11:58:51 AM
This is an interesting book about the creation of generators of wery high power electromagnetic pulses, which can really be used as a weapon. The author gives illustrations of various designs of this generators. Free only in Russian.
https://issuu.com/premiaprosvetitel/docs/prishepenko_a._shipenie_snaryadov.a (https://issuu.com/premiaprosvetitel/docs/prishepenko_a._shipenie_snaryadov.a)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on April 22, 2019, 03:26:17 PM
Yes, a fun book. sorry download fails. Here's another, it has the construction of generators. only i don't have it.
https://www.litres.ru/r-e-tigranyan/voprosy-elektromagnitobiologii-18795030 (https://www.litres.ru/r-e-tigranyan/voprosy-elektromagnitobiologii-18795030) :)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 23, 2019, 01:56:37 PM
 :o Look what I found! Very strange patent:

INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE
GE P 20074088 (B) ― 2007-04-10
Inventor(s):     KAPANADZE SHOTA [GE]; APTSIAURI VANO [GE]; KHACHIDZE EMZAR [GE]; KANDINASHVILI NIKOLOZ [GE]

 
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1. Technical Result Reduction of economic expenses, increase of efficiency and reliability of work. 2. Essence The engine contains the cylinder 14, the piston 1, a water tank 4, a cranked shaft 8 which is placed above the chamber of combustion 13, and in the bottom part of the cylinder, up to a level of a plug 5 the condenser 2 connected with the generator of 10 of high frequencies is inserted into poured water 7. 3. Field of Application Mechanical engineering, in particular, propulsion engineering.


https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?II=16&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070410&CC=GE&NR=P20074088B&KC=B# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?II=16&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20070410&CC=GE&NR=P20074088B&KC=B#)

It's all. There was nothing else.
Patent on this engine?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG35cpshUeA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG35cpshUeA)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GPy8FuJSkc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GPy8FuJSkc)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 24, 2019, 12:29:15 PM
 ;D  ;D  ;D I found an unknown patent for a motor on the water!  ;D  ;D  ;D


Kapanadze internal combustion engine on water.

The link to official source:
http://www.sakpatenti.gov.ge/en/search_engine/view/8181/1/ (http://www.sakpatenti.gov.ge/en/search_engine/view/8181/1/)

Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 24, 2019, 12:51:11 PM
Now it looks like this:
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 24, 2019, 10:22:20 PM
Patent translate with Google, from Georgian to English, written weird..:
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Reduction of economic expenditures, increase of the coefficient of activity and work reliability.
The essence

 The engine consists of a cylinder 14, a piston 1, a water tank 4, a knife lamp 8, which is placed on top of the combustion 13 and in the lower part of the cylinder, there are 7 encapsulated condensers 2 connected to a high frequency generator 10.

Description of the patent

The invention belongs to the internal combustion engines, and can be used in various internal combustion engines, namely, in mobile engines mechanisms, for example, in the production of a car.
   It is known for many internal combustion engines, in which the liquid and gas power carriers are used as different agents.
   It is also known that the internal combustion engine on the gas pump, where hydrogen gas is in high pressure separately in a special airbag and from there it is connected to the carburetor of the intracellular engine.
    The technical outcome of the invention is safety, safety of the internal engine and reduction of the energy cost.
    Technical results are achieved by the fact that the internal engine is performed on the top of the cylinder, and in the cylinder combustion chamber, plate or cylindrical capacitor is placed in the water placed under the candle.
    The hydrogen inner engine is represented by 1 figure and contains: Cylinder 14, piston 1, condenser 2, water retractor 3, water tank 4, sparkle lamp 5, residual gas output 6, candle 5 to water volume 7, 8 knees, knee lights 9 and high frequency generator 10.
    Hydrogen inner engine works as follows: High Frequency Generator 10 delivers approximately 50 MHz frequency density 2 plates of condenser, which are used for dilution as distilled water.
High frequency plates on the condenser leads to the impulsive breakdown of the water
dielectric, causing the breakdown of water impulsively. Hydrogen 11 is excreted, after which the blast is carried out by the candle 5 at the moment when the piston is in the lower margin level. As a result of the explosion hydrogen will turn into a high pressure water steam 12 and the piston 1 is moved to the top position, the excess water vapor is removed from the bulb in the muffin (not shown on the moped figure). The number of hydrogen from water is regulated by high frequency regulator 10.
Thus, in the cylinder combustion chamber 13, under the candle (regulation of water level in the cylinder is not shown due to its simplicity and the overloading of the drawing), plate or cylindrical capacitor in the water in the water, eliminates the availability of airbags and pipes, hydrogen formation and explosion occurs directly in the combustion chamber.
                         The invention
      The internal combustion engine containing a cylinder, a combustion chamber, a candle, a piston, a knee lamp, a high frequency generator, a water tank, is different from that of a knife lined above the combustion chamber and in the lower part of the cylinder, placed in the bottom of a candle, placed in a plate or cylindrical capacitor , Which is associated with high frequency generator.
"approximately 50 MHz frequency density 2 plates of condenser, which are used for dilution as distilled water. High frequency plates on the condenser leads to the impulsive breakdown of the water dielectric, causing the breakdown of water impulsively. Hydrogen 11 is excreted"


I understand that the author describes some real process. But I can't imagine it now. If you just put 50 MHz into the water - I'm sure that nothing will happen.

Electrolysis by alternating current of high frequency? In distilled water? Explosive hydrogen release?
Impossible!
Something other. Not electrolysis. I do not know how yet.

May need more power 50 MHz? Or a special design and material plates "capacitor"?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on April 25, 2019, 09:58:09 AM
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I understand that the author describes some real process. But I can't imagine it now.
I don't understand it as well.
There is a man who understands. But silent. Wesley
They drank alcohol with him. In Georgia. :)
In general, everyone is silent ... :'(
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 25, 2019, 12:34:43 PM
 ;D ah-ah, drank alcohol... ;D in Georgia ... You were in Georgia? For people from the USA:  Georgia, the homeland of Kapanadze, is the exUSSR country in the Caucasus. "Drank alcohol" -  drink homemade grape wine in Georgia the same as drinking tea or coffee. This means nothing. Do not look at Wesley as an enemy who hides a secret. Do yourself what you can.
What you can:
In this patent that I found, there is a link to the patent:
RU2243390 Stashevsky I.I. ( RU2243390 Сташевский И.И )
I read it. Look in the internet about the "Motor Stashevsky" etc...
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on April 25, 2019, 07:45:34 PM
on his channel in YouTube  Stivep1  there were these videos. Now I don’t know.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 25, 2019, 08:19:48 PM
I really don't like such messages. >:(  If he had something to tell, he would have told us that.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on April 26, 2019, 10:18:56 AM
beyond all doubt.  :)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 29, 2019, 11:30:23 AM
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Electrolysis of water can pass to the second mode.  The second mode is the same as the first mode, differs in that the electrodes are connected to an electric generator 88 through the dynamo-electric transducer 89, the electrical pulse generator 90, and electrical switches 91 and 93. In this case, an alternating current is converted into direct current.  Electric pulses generator 90 generates electrical pulses on electrodes 64 or 71 and 72, 74, 76, 77, 79, 80, 82, 83, 86, 87 at the rated voltage of the electric current.     Electrolysis of water can take place in the third mode.  The third mode is the same as the first, differs from it in that the electrodes are connected to the generator 88 through a source of AC dynamoelectric generator 89, and electrical switches 91 and 94. In this case, an alternating electric current is converted into direct current, low voltage current is converted to high current voltage in the tens of thousands of volts.
   Electrolysis of water can be operated in the fourth mode.  The fourth mode is the same as the third mode is different from them in that the electrodes 64 or 71, 72, 74, 76, 77, 80, 82, 83, 86, 87 are connected to an AC generator 88 through the dynamo-electric transducer 89, a generator 90 electric pulses and electric switches 91 and 95. When this electric current is converted into direct current, low voltage current into high voltage current in tens of thousands of volts and high-voltage electrical discharges are created by pulses.
  Using the electrical switches 91, 92, 93, 94, 95 or 64 in the electrodes 71, 72, 74, 76, 77, 79, 80, 82, 83, 86, 87 can change the direction of electric current.  When the cathode becomes the anode, the anode becomes the cathode, it allows to automate the electrodes of plaque purification alkali.   electrolysis of water can be carried out at any time.  The battery 63 between the perforated plate electrodes 64 in the electrolyte electrolysis occurs with or without the use of ultrasonic or infrasonic waves passing in the electrolyte layer from the bottom up.
https://patents.google.com/patent/RU2243390C1/en?oq=RU+2243390+C1
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on April 29, 2019, 05:55:14 PM
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it allows to automate the electrodes of plaque purification alkali.
where does he have lye(alkali) there? At first it was about clean water.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on May 12, 2019, 02:37:09 PM
read, read the Stashevsky patent. Read, read, first in English, then in Russian. What is it? about what? There is a user on the skiff "Ужос мля нах"  :) . The impression of reading about something like that. maybe I don't understand something ... ;)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on May 12, 2019, 10:25:03 PM
Maybe near to this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39381 (https://www.nature.com/articles/srep39381)
https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20140501&CC=WO&NR=2014064692A1&KC=A1# (https://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20140501&CC=WO&NR=2014064692A1&KC=A1#)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on May 13, 2019, 08:20:34 PM
Yes, it's better here.
The fact that the bubbles are small and self-ignite is understandable.
And the current output is more than Faraday?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on May 14, 2019, 11:30:10 AM
It’s too early to think about efficiency. If it is possible to get a little gas on alternating current - this will be a way forward. Usually, only heating occurs on alternating current.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on May 14, 2019, 07:15:06 PM
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Usually, only heating occurs on alternating current.
Эт точно. :)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on May 14, 2019, 11:24:42 PM
Strange videos. Maybe the magnet is oxidized. But why does it oxidize much faster when something is fed through the wires?
I cannot imagine that no high-frequency current is supplied.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yf9p96xu_w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yf9p96xu_w)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgQwr_nUG08 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgQwr_nUG08)

Only if glass is conductive...?

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fauto-minsk.maxbb.ru%2Ftopic455.html (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fauto-minsk.maxbb.ru%2Ftopic455.html)
http://auto-minsk.maxbb.ru/topic455.html (http://auto-minsk.maxbb.ru/topic455.html)
Probably on first video with magnet used conductive glass, as he used for the electrolyzer. Otherwise, at an alternating current, the bubbles did not twist around the magnet.
But why then does the glass not work as a cathode or anode? In this case, on the glass itself should stand out bubbles. Unclear.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on May 15, 2019, 11:53:57 AM
very strange.  :)  We will try it today.  ;)  Just put the wire from the Kacher in a small container with water, nothing happened.
the container was also placed at the top of the coil.
And if it is not a magnet for a piece of radioactive material.  :o What intensity should be radiation so that gas is released?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on May 15, 2019, 07:07:22 PM
There is no gas there. Not with a magnet, not without a magnet. They all lie. :'(
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on May 15, 2019, 10:33:25 PM
This is not lie. Glass is conductive
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgOWj5p8WzQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgOWj5p8WzQ)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on May 16, 2019, 11:23:13 AM
Tried yesterday.  :) Hot wire Kacher was lowered into a cup with water on the ground. Glass and plastic. The frequency was about 1 MHz. Then the magnet was wrapped with a wire. There was no bubble. The power was because in half a minute the bottom of the plastic cup had burnt out and the water flowed out.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on May 17, 2019, 09:13:15 AM
You do not have nano-perforated glass. He has such a glass. And he has a direct current. The current goes through the metal of the table.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yf9p96xu_w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yf9p96xu_w)
 "Why magnets?" - uses as nickel-plated electrodes.

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glass electrolyzer separator.
The gas generator separates the hydrogen from the oxygen with very high purity.
The separation of gases occurs physically, using glass perforated membranes, own production. Membrane capable pass an electric current, but they do not pass gases or liquids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SosvUEmbbgU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SosvUEmbbgU)
Besides that, on this video the pure hydrogen burns like on video from Petros Zographos, with reddish flame. Probably due to particles from electrolyte. Not HHO! Hydrogen without oxygen!

Electrolysis chemical separation of hydrogen and oxygen:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLIeAgC9rEE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLIeAgC9rEE)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on May 17, 2019, 10:38:08 AM
and how do they make nanoperforated glass?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on May 24, 2019, 04:45:50 PM
we read "шипение снарядов" , but only about explosive magnetic generators and so on, of a one-time action.
Doesn't that suit us? is not it.
p.s. What is a ion exchange membrane(ионообменная мембрана) in lithium-ion factory batteries?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on May 31, 2019, 08:37:39 AM
read, read the Stashevsky patent. Read, read, first in English, then in Russian. What is it? about what? There is a user on the skiff "Ужос мля нах"  :) . The impression of reading about something like that. maybe I don't understand something ... ;)
I guessed why the Georgian patent for a motor with high-frequency electrolysis inside cylinders refers to the Stashevsky patent.
Patent Stashevsky on electrolysis with a change in the polarity of the electrodes and strong acoustic vibrations in water.

In the cylinders of the internal combustion engine during its working there will also be strong vibrations!

https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg533697/#msg533697

 (https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg533697/#msg533697)and

https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg533818/#msg533818 (https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg533818/#msg533818)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on May 31, 2019, 10:24:27 AM
Yes, I would like to believe that it works.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on June 01, 2019, 10:54:06 AM
explain to me from which sources the energy of compressed gas in electrolyzers is taken under pressure. The efficiency of a good electrolyzer is close to one hundred percent. And under pressure, it even rises, as we know. And the energy enclosed in Brown's compressed gas is taken as if from nowhere.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: lancaIV on June 01, 2019, 02:03:53 PM
explain to me from which sources the energy of compressed gas in electrolyzers is taken under pressure. The efficiency of a good electrolyzer is close to one hundred percent. And under pressure, it even rises, as we know. And the energy enclosed in Brown's compressed gas is taken as if from nowhere.

kolbacict, " is close to one hundred percent. ...". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_of_water
Could you give us a reference  to your "good electrolyzer"- producer  ?
Or are for you 80-90% ~ close to 100%. ?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: tinu on June 01, 2019, 03:44:20 PM
explain to me from which sources the energy of compressed gas in electrolyzers is taken under pressure. The efficiency of a good electrolyzer is close to one hundred percent. And under pressure, it even rises, as we know. And the energy enclosed in Brown's compressed gas is taken as if from nowhere.

"If the pressure over the electrolysis is increased then more current passes for the same applied voltage. However, the output of gas per coulomb and the heating effect are both decreased. This is due to the increased solubility of the gases and smaller bubbles  both reducing the cell resistance and increasing recombination reactions" http://www1.lsbu.ac.uk/water/electrolysis.html 
The source of energy is the power supply.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on June 01, 2019, 04:10:12 PM
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High-pressure electrolysis is the electrolysis of water with a compressed hydrogen output around 12–20 MPa (120–200 Bar, 1740–2900 psi).[12] By pressurising the hydrogen in the electrolyser, the need for an external hydrogen compressor is eliminated; the average energy consumption for internal compression is around 3%.
Well, I'm wrong. Let 80-90%
But it was meant that the overvoltage (electrode potential) with increasing pressure to 10-20 bar
decreases. Electricity consumption decreases accordingly. According to my information.
And your wiki says:
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the average energy consumption for internal compression is around 3%
I do not understand. Could it be at 200 bar when there is already an increase in consumption?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on June 01, 2019, 04:37:06 PM
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However, the output of gas per coulomb and the heating effect are both decreased.
Well, maybe you are right. According to my information, with a moderate increase in pressure, consumption in kW / h at least does not increase.
interesting information. thanks.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on July 18, 2019, 09:14:21 AM
Who can provide a link to the detailed description of the Fleischmann – Pons experiment?
Interested in information for the period 1989 - 1992?
What is with ultrasonic in this experiment?
It is similar?:
http://fulviofrisone.com/attachments/article/150/Piezonuclear%20Fusion%20in%20Isotopic%20Hydrogeb%20Molecules.pdf (http://fulviofrisone.com/attachments/article/150/Piezonuclear%20Fusion%20in%20Isotopic%20Hydrogeb%20Molecules.pdf)
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on August 29, 2019, 03:23:06 PM
;D ;D ;D I found an unknown patent for a motor on the water!  ;D ;D ;D


Kapanadze internal combustion engine on water.

The link to official source:
http://www.sakpatenti.gov.ge/en/search_engine/view/8181/1/ (http://www.sakpatenti.gov.ge/en/search_engine/view/8181/1/)
Has anyone tried searching on this Georgian website? By other search criteria?
Hmm ... there is still something, close to the Kapanadze motor.  ::)
http://www.sakpatenti.gov.ge/en/search_engine/view/8949/1/ (http://www.sakpatenti.gov.ge/en/search_engine/view/8949/1/)
In the patent describes the process parameters: - the interaction time and pressure.
These parameters are the same as those of a gasoline internal combustion engine!
The basis of the patent is the use of a catalyst - calcium hydroxide for thermal decomposition of water.
This is slaked lime. It may be some kind of especially refined or prepared.
The principle is described logically and probably it can work!Based on the patent, electricity is not needed for the decomposition of water .. :o

Georgian patent refers to a Soviet patent:
https://patents.google.com/patent/SU807584A1/en (https://patents.google.com/patent/SU807584A1/en)

A very rare Soviet journal  is mentioned in the Georgian patent. "Foreign Nuclear Technology" No12, 1976, p. 13-3
I did not find a way to download this journal. According to other articles, it says something about the thermal decomposition of water at nuclear power plants in France (?) at a relatively low temperature.."[/font]Атомная [/font]техника [/font]за рубежом[/font]" [/font]No[/font]12, 1976, [/font]стр. 13-3[/font]
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on September 01, 2019, 10:40:36 AM
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The basis of the patent is the use of a catalyst - calcium hydroxide for thermal decomposition of water.


How could such a reaction look like?
Can your thoughts ...
Nothing comes to mind.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on September 02, 2019, 10:27:40 AM
This is something completely new.  Maybe this is not a chemical reaction, but something else.
Calcium hydroxide does not decompose, only water evaporates from it.
Slaked lime is probably wetted first with water. Physical effect ..?

In the simplest version, from Soviet patent 1984 - SU 807584 A1

1. We take any slaked lime.
2. We warm up at a temperature of 400-500 degrees of Celsius, but  not higher than the HHO ignition temperature (~550C).
3. We collect the all released gases, pass through a cooler
4. Water vapor condenses, remain a very small amount of H2   ( 0,00057 from vapor volume)
I did not find anything in the literature about this.
According to the method described in the Georgian patent, they get 14 times more, i.e. 0,0082, ~ 1%  from water vapor volume.
Not much, but if you repeat this 50 times per second inside the internal combustion engine or pump, you get 50% ... ???
It is unclear whether this quantity of H2 or HHO will be sufficient for rotation of the internal combustion engine or such a turbine:..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGizUoKrfGo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGizUoKrfGo)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=836nd6ZijYY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=836nd6ZijYY)

Translation of the patents:

1. Soviet patent 1979 - 1984  SU 807584 A

2. Georgian patent for an improved method, 2007   GE P 2007 4038 B
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on September 02, 2019, 09:22:12 PM
well, the temperature of the reaction (dissociation) decreases, the yield of hydrogen increases. But the energy balance remains the same. How many calories of heat were spent on dissociation, the same amount we get during combustion HHO.  Or am I wrong?
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on September 03, 2019, 09:46:57 AM
But the energy balance remains the same. How many calories of heat were spent on dissociation, the same amount we get during combustion HHO.  Or am I wrong?
From SU807584 patent, about ordinary thermal dissociation of water:
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The disadvantage of this method is the need for overheating of water vapor to 1000- 3000K and a low molar concentration of hydrogen in hot steam. At 1000 degrees Kelvin, the molar  concentration of hydrogen is 2.09*10-6, which leads to insurmountable difficulties in the extraction of hydrogen.
In this case, the energy balance is maintained. If thermal dissociation of water occurred at a temperature of 400 - 500 degrees Celsius and a much larger hydrogen output, the energy balance will not be maintained.
 It is still unclear why thermal dissociation can occur at low temperatures and better than at high temperatures.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: kolbacict on September 04, 2019, 07:39:23 PM
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If thermal dissociation of water occurred at a temperature of 400 - 500 degrees Celsius and a much larger hydrogen output, the energy balance will not be maintained.
I tried to say it on the forum "xumuk.ru " , but I did not convince them.
Title: Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
Post by: Sergh on April 24, 2020, 09:29:21 AM
it may be relevant to this topic:
https://overunity.com/7679/selfrunning-free-energy-devices-up-to-5-kw-from-tariel-kapanadze/msg545102/#msg545102