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Author Topic: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water  (Read 41950 times)

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #135 on: April 22, 2021, 02:48:40 PM »
 Here  you have two structures compared :
 The one on he left is build based on water capacitors and one on the right is based on tantalum capacitors .

1:
wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_capacitor#/media/File:Coaxial_Marx_generator.png

2. Youtube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_goG3ACobCE

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #136 on: April 22, 2021, 03:19:24 PM »
here you  have comparison of spark gap electrodes between the two.
links listed in  the post  above
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #137 on: April 22, 2021, 04:08:29 PM »
This is  the correction to the post  from above ( the second picture ) in post :
https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/msg556986/#msg556986

 it shows more accurately   resistors.
 The two resistors from the right  should be  looked at  as one single resistor
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #138 on: April 22, 2021, 04:30:55 PM »
typical  assembly   in form of schematic is here.
However there is significant difference between  the purely resistive  resistors and  use of  water capacitors c with resistors .
in water  capacitors assembly  resistors are inductive in nature
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator



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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #139 on: April 22, 2021, 04:41:15 PM »
 Here is more about water based  capacitors :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marx_generator
 I  pointed  at similarities   between the  two  builds of marx  generator and

Explanation:
I pointed at spark gap.
The unfortunate   was that  when comparing the two structures I was in need to  point  at  similarities  making by that more confusion than  benefit to the reader.

 -And that is  obvious when we look at spark gap by itself.
 when looking at my previous pictures you see points marking spark gap electrodes and red circles  around it.
 but actual accurate  explanation  for water based capacitors is in picture  below


Proper performance depends upon capacitor selection and the timing of the discharge.
Switching times can be improved by doping of the electrodes with radioactive isotopes caesium 137 or nickel 63,
and by orienting the spark gaps so that ultraviolet
light from a firing spark gap switch illuminates the remaining open spark gaps
.[3]
Insulation of the high voltages produced is often accomplished by immersing the Marx generator
in transformer oil or a high pressure dielectric gas such as sulfur hexafluoride (SF6).

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #140 on: April 22, 2021, 06:48:10 PM »
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #141 on: April 22, 2021, 06:52:36 PM »
 here I point at water capacitors
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #142 on: April 22, 2021, 06:55:13 PM »
 Here I point at solid metal structure
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #143 on: April 22, 2021, 06:59:31 PM »
 Here I point at  water resistor  at another video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDfZFSay_1A
Lightning Generator Made Of Water (DIY Marx Generator)
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #144 on: April 22, 2021, 07:57:37 PM »
Salt water based  capacitors uses  plastic as dielectric an salt water as a conductor
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #145 on: April 22, 2021, 08:39:25 PM »
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Switching times can be improved by doping of the electrodes with radioactive isotopes caesium 137 or nickel 63,
and by orienting the spark gaps so that ultraviolet
light from a firing spark gap switch illuminates the remaining open spark gaps.[3]
understandably. that's better.  :)
Only i still take doubts whether the upper water capacitor be able  charged through a chain of resistors with a resistance of tens of megohms.
But an amazing idea came to me, how to give up  resistors for charging . :) ;)
I will draw, I will show ...

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #146 on: April 22, 2021, 09:50:20 PM »
 
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You may be thinking that water is a good conductor of electricity but remember that only
water with ions present conducts electricity. 
Deionized water (water with all ions removed) is actually a poor conductor of electricity. 
The dielectric constant of pure water at 20 degress C is 80.1.
https://www.enotes.com/homework-help/what-dielectric-constant-water-375624#:~:text=You%20may%20be%20thinking%20that%20water%20is%20a,pure%20water%20at%2020%20degress%20C%20is%2080.1.
so we have two factors :
1. temperature
2. deionization
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But we also have the third one :
- impurities in the water.
so water needs to  be distilled .
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What is the dielectric constant of water?
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A dielectric is a material that will polarize itself when subjected to an external electric field.  The dielectric material itself is not a true conductor of electricity.  But the partial positive...

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https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/jres/56/jresv56n1p1_A1b.pdf
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capacitance-conductance bridge, operated at frequencies below 100 kilocycles per second, was used to measure:

-the dielectric constant of water with an accuracy of better than 0.1 percent at 5-degree intervals over the range .0° to 100° C.
At 25° C the dielectric constant was found to have the value 78.30,
which is about 0.3 percent lower than t hat usually accepted.

The data fit the equation E= 87. 740 - 0.400081+ 9.398(10- 4)tL 1.410(10- 6)13, with a maximum deviation of 0.01 unit in dielectric constant.
The experimental method and sources of error are considered in some detail.

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #147 on: April 22, 2021, 10:12:57 PM »

So how good is water as dielectric is one question?
the other question is : how good is water as isolator.
as  some of you dont  always  see the difference  between the two.
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For more practical approach we need to look at  EDM  machine.

 it does  "miracles"  to the  conductive materials .
 but this is just easy way to  play with almost the same schematic  when playing  with HHO
 the article explaining it is here :
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/engineering/deionized-water





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the practical use  of the  EDM  go here:
https://youtu.be/4iB7kkCy1xM?t=141
some of the wire  EDM could be  acquired  in  USA for $100 in working condition.
I had one in my  mechanical part of the lab.
https://youtu.be/DNxob3yY4LE?t=25








https://youtu.be/2dsrLD52Mv0?t=885

just don't believe in this video to the statement that  precision machining with EDM costs  as much as a house in USA.
THIS IS NOT TRUE.

SO WHY HE IS SAYING IT?
BECAUSE HE  IS LIKELY NOT AN AMERICAN


There is  the difference between  a British experimenter as  well as EU
and us the AMERICANS  - we are over-saturated with everything and sometime it is a need  just to take it...
Yes... some guys wants you to take  it for  free..


In some  very much democratic countries making scrap  from tools, measurement equipment and  and machines  is impossible, 
if there is  any, means anyone willing to buy it for more than 0 dollars.
But in some countries   having 'per capita"  at level of "third world countries "   in  Eastern part of Еurope  it is quite different story .

And Russians?..................
Russians  unfortunately can dream about   earning  additional 25 dollars more   
per month in addition to their monthly  175 dollars average salary in regions.

African Uganda is $280/mo
Papua New Guinea  average is $195/ mo
https://youtu.be/Rq8SA3AB06k?t=130
Here is some  Papula technology to enlarge  human male  reproduction organs.
I hope some  Russians can learn  something  from that as it is inexpensive and easily accessible .
There is still in average  1 per every 10 000 Russians who speaks  at least some English there  but,
I can help  with translation if needed.
I'm not   professional in this area but it is interesting  how it works from science based  stand point.

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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #148 on: April 23, 2021, 10:10:54 PM »
understandably. that's better.
But an amazing idea came to me,
The schematic posted by you will likely  not work.
The same core is sharing  windings from each stage including  the first  coupling with generator.
It will  blow  in no time. ( "no time " -is an idiom)
Can you correct me if I didn't understand something?
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Re: HHO Generation using High Frequency electromagnetic waves on water
« Reply #149 on: April 24, 2021, 09:49:03 AM »
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https://overunity.com/16440/hho-generation-using-high-frequency-electromagnetic-waves-on-water/dlattach/attach/181267/
Really awesome. :)
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The same core is sharing  windings from each stage including  the first  coupling with generator.
Well, the windings are separated by very good insulation.
Similar to how it is done in split transformers from TV.
p.s. May I ask again why everyone thinks Stanley Meer is dead?

p.p.s. Here's more on the topic of Marx's water condensers.
http://elib.biblioatom.ru/text/ucheny-mechtatel-borets_2006/go,325/

 

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