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Offline EMJunkie

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #270 on: January 25, 2015, 09:12:06 PM »


  I asked my dog if I should attempt a build, she said-
 Can you do accurate pin-pout measurements?
 Can you show an actual change in one or more parameters?
  (Remember that silly thing with Mondrasek, Mathematical analysis of an ideal  ZED
   it was all over on page two but festered on for another 180 pages)
  Can you see free energy anywhere in nature, the Sun is losing 4 million metic tons
  a second to radiation let alone a great deal more to solar wind.
  Could it be dark energy? Answer that one and you'll please a whole bunch of
   scientists.
    Then she went back to sleep by the fire!
               John.

Hi John,

I first got interested at 17, now I am 41. Its a long time to have a "Hobby"!  ;)

I used to wind Coils and stuff as a Kid for various people, Uncle's and so on. I seemed to know quite a few people in the Radio/Electronics area.

My point is, for only a few dollars (20 or so) a little bit of time, one can start seeing some pretty cool things.

If I told you how much I have spent on convoluted unnecessary Experiments over the years you would not believe me!

If I had the leg up, and listened, then I could have saved my self a lot of money and Time!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #270 on: January 25, 2015, 09:12:06 PM »

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #271 on: January 25, 2015, 09:37:57 PM »
Hi,

I am really enthusiatic with this project because I see that this bucking coils concept is embedded into many designs of overunity devices.

In Chris website, hyiq.org, he posted a long video (45 min.) about the Bill Alek prototype (Auroratek). I have extracted here the most important minute of that video. Please see why counter-rotation (CW + CCW) compensate each other. Just extrapolate this into the Lenz Law of two secondaries in relation to the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcks2fcpHUk

Chris, do not worry about naysayers. As Don Quixote said: "Dogs are barking. Therefore we should be getting closer."

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #272 on: January 25, 2015, 10:05:39 PM »
Hanon do yourself a favor and learn about leakage inductance in transformers.  Once you do you should find that you can direct your experiments to conclusions that make sense.

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« Reply #272 on: January 25, 2015, 10:05:39 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #273 on: January 25, 2015, 10:10:02 PM »
Hey MileHigh,

This clip was mentioned on another thread and it's worthwhile to post it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI

Many of the issues mentioned in this clip apply to what is going on in this thread also.  Probably the biggest issue related to this specific thread is that in this thread there is a claim of more power out than power in coupled with an active discouragement of actually making power out and power in measurements.  That is simply self-defeating logic that makes no sense.

I used to think guy was quite good! Now, especially after hearing: "I don't know, I have not built it" - That was enough for me!

Yes, this guy has some sensible information in this video, he often does in a lot of his videos. But, to criticise someone else because he made some calculations, but did not take measurements or even build the device is just very un-professional!

We live in a world now, it seems an arrogance has overwhelmed the minds of individuals. Yet one of the greatest minds in all of history viewed things differently:

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It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects. - Nikola Tesla


Moving on, just another comment about what is transpiring in this thread.  The claim is based on driving the transformer with an AC waveform and making measurements on the AC power in and the AC power out.  However, you have several people showing Joule Thief/blocking oscillator type designs.  The two circuits are completely different, so what's the point? 

There is a lot of learning, it takes intuition to see, if you like, whats going on!

In saying this, I did suggest early on, a H-Bridge or a Power Amplifier with a Function Generator as the signal source. Those that are experimenting will see sooner or later that this is a much better way to excite the Coils.

It is a learning curve, That's why I was not too excited about getting others to build and measure right up front. One of Ten Devices may work as I have said, so by keeping expectations low initially, then by making improvements a learning process will take place.

I have been doing this for more than 5 Years and I still don't know everything about this technology yet!

In a blocking oscillator type of design, you drive the primary with some kind of pulse waveform.  When the drive signal is ON, you are energizing the primary inductance of the transformer so that it stores energy.  When the drive signal is OFF, then the the primary drive circuitry is completely decoupled from the transformer.  When that happens, you have all of this energy in the transformer that has to go somewhere, and the only place for it to go is via the secondary.  Under these conditions, you can put essentially ANY load resistor on the secondary and the secondary will discharge through that load.  In other words, with a blocking oscillator type design, the concept of a 3:1 turns ratio does not even apply any more.  The output is of a variable voltage that depends on the load resistance exclusively, and has nothing to do with the turns ration.  Also, the output is essentially decoupled from the input so it is perfectly normal and expected that there will be no change in the input power when you chance the load on the output.

Not sure why this has come up here? Can you explain why you have brought up a "blocking oscillator"?

If you're comparing the Partnered Output Coils to a "blocking oscillator", I would not give the same comparison. First the Circuit is quite different, second the operation may be similar of sorts, but the way the coils work together are quite different!

However, the blocking oscillator could be considered to have similarity's.

So you guys have to decide, is this thread just another free-for-all that goes nowhere, or do you actually try to replicate the circuit and make measurements on it?

All of these postings were you say things like, "I added a load and the input power went down so we are going in the right direction" are claims that we have all been reading on this forum for years and years by now for all sorts of different setups and circuits.  This is nothing new.  If you don't even attempt to figure out why that is happening then it is meaningless.  There is always a logical reason why.   One thing for certain is that "going in the right direction" does not mean that you are going to magically pass the COP 1 barrier and make it past that point.

I know MileHigh, I hear your pain! I have also been around for quite some time and seen all the same things! The difference is, I now know that at least some of those claims may well have been true and correct! I know that the average Joe doing a quick 5 minute build on his bench, with no real understanding of whats "Supposed" to happen will evidently result in Failure!

Lets take Floyd Sweet for example, first unit, very crude, it worked and was measured to be of the order of 19 Watts, revision 2 was 110 Watts.

We don't know what Floyd had before this, but one can imagine, it would have been even more crude and less useful, but, importantly, it would have been enough to show concepts, to show a path forward!

Floyd Sweet has 6 Versions of the VTA before he died that I know of! The last one was 5000 Watts (5KW)!

Try to replicate faithfully and making power in and power out measurements all the time is what you really should be doing if you are serious.

MileHigh

I agree 100% we must truly explore what's right in front of our own eyes! With No Bias, with Open Eyes, with intention to one day succeed, with vision and direction, or we are lost!

Please, I ask you to ponder one question: "What does a Bucking Coil Do"

You're not a bad old Fella MileHigh, we got off to a very bad start you and I!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #274 on: January 25, 2015, 10:26:12 PM »
Hi Hanon,

I am really enthusiatic with this project because I see that this bucking coils concept is embedded into many designs of overunity devices.

In Chris website, hyiq.org, he posted a long video (45 min.) about the Bill Alek prototype (Auroratek). I have extracted here the most important minute of that video. Please see why counter-rotation (CW + CCW) compensate each other. Just extrapolate this into the Lenz Law of two secondaries in relation to the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcks2fcpHUk

Chris, do not worry about naysayers. As Don Quixote said: "Dogs are barking. Therefore we should be getting closer."

Yes, sometimes the intentions of others bring questions to one mind, but to do the right thing, Live and let Live, and carry on with the journey. Focus at the task at hand.

Hanon, MarkE has bought up a good point:

Hanon do yourself a favour and learn about leakage inductance in transformers.  Once you do you should find that you can direct your experiments to conclusions that make sense.

It is so VERY easy to do a few simple experiments! Like I posted in the prior post, a path will lay itself down. Just follow the path.

For around $20 a few simple experiments could change your life for ever! As it did with Floyd Sweets and many before him!

Ask Yourself some Fundamental Questions:
1: Were does Energy Come From?
2: How does Energy Manifest in a Conductor?
3: What are the Negative Effects of an Energy Flow?
4: What are the Positive effects to an Energy Flow?
5: How can we either eliminate these effects or encourage them?

All of which I have already given the answers to in my prior posts!

Kind Regards

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #274 on: January 25, 2015, 10:26:12 PM »
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #275 on: January 25, 2015, 10:33:19 PM »
It is, but you keep getting so lost.

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #276 on: January 25, 2015, 11:49:51 PM »
It is, but you keep getting so lost.

@MarkE,

If it is Electrical Energy that is desired by those trying to work for a common goal here in this forum, where would you start looking?

One does not go to the Desert for a Cup of Water!

One cannot get lost if one Starts at the Start, unless the path is obstructed by muddied Waters.

How much "Leakage Inductance" does the average Generator have? Does it not still "Generate" Electricity?

 
I have said it before, sometimes what appears to be a Smart Mind, can in fact have the least Intelligence!


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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #277 on: January 26, 2015, 12:06:37 AM »
@MarkE,

If it is Electrical Energy that is desired by those trying to work for a common goal here in this forum, where would you start looking?
The question does not even make much sense.  Do you mean to ask:  "If I want free electrical energy, where should I go look for it?".
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One does not go to the Desert for a Cup of Water!
Exactly, so if you are looking for a new source of energy, why are you messing around with such well understood and thoroughly researched things as coupled inductors?
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One cannot get lost if one Starts at the Start, unless the path is obstructed by muddied Waters.
But you reject starting at the start:  Understand what is believed now and has been shown to make accurate predictions.  Understand how to test whatever ideas that you have in a meaningful way.  You claim overunity but admit that you don't have reliable measurements to support the claim.  You have vociferously objected to trying to obtain reliable measurements.  That leaves you at less than zero.
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How much "Leakage Inductance" does the average Generator have? Does it not still "Generate" Electricity?
That you ask such a question betrays that you do not understand what you are dealing with.
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I have said it before, sometimes what appears to be a Smart Mind, can in fact have the least Intelligence!
You have said many things, many of them irrelevant to what you claim to be researching and/or wrong.
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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #278 on: January 26, 2015, 12:09:26 AM »
@MarkE,

 
I have said it before, sometimes what appears to be a Smart Mind, can in fact have the least Intelligence!


Kind Regards

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Hey, I believe you said something similar about me once.  I am not sure what you mean by this but, I suspect that it is not a compliment.  If you are implying that MarkE is not intelligent, then, I would really have to question your reasoning (or lack thereof) for coming to this conclusion.

Bill

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #279 on: January 26, 2015, 12:38:46 AM »
@MarkE,

I am glad you have voiced your assumptions and opinions for all to read!

The question does not even make much sense.  Do you mean to ask:  "If I want free electrical energy, where should I go look for it?".

Makes sense to me, simple question! You did not answer it?

Exactly, so if you are looking for a new source of energy, why are you messing around with such well understood and thoroughly researched things as coupled inductors?

This is perhaps your biggest assumption to date: "new source of energy" - Are you saying "Electrical Generators" are a "new source of energy"? They are not! They are well known, been used for many, many decades.

Assume Nothing! Electrical Energy is Pumped, I have already shown and proven all the principals involved! I am not introducing anything new here. In-Fact the opposite is true. Everything I have shown is standard already known principals! Bucking Coils are not New!

MarkE, you have unfortunately let yourself down here.

But you reject starting at the start:  Understand what is believed now and has been shown to make accurate predictions. 

For anyone following this thread, that has watched the Videos and Read the documents and read my posts, they will see that I have provided more than just a few silly words.

Understand how to test whatever ideas that you have in a meaningful way.  You claim overunity but admit that you don't have reliable measurements to support the claim.  You have vociferously objected to trying to obtain reliable measurements.  That leaves you at less than zero.

It seems that the most simple line of text that I wrote has upset you the most:


One cannot get lost if one Starts at the Start, unless the path is obstructed by muddied Waters.


Is it that the truth hurts here?



How much "Leakage Inductance" does the average Generator have? Does it not still "Generate" Electricity?

That you ask such a question betrays that you do not understand what you are dealing with.

For others here I will provide references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leakage_inductance

Quote from: Chris Sykes - EMJunkie would like to Quote Wikipedia link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leakage_inductance topic=Understanding "Leakage Inductance"  ;)

Leakage inductance derives from the electrical property of an imperfectly-coupled transformer whereby each winding behaves as a self-inductance constant in series with the winding's respective ohmic resistance constant, these four winding constants also interacting with the transformer's mutual inductance constant. The winding self-inductance constant and associated leakage inductance is due to leakage flux not linking with all turns of each imperfectly-coupled winding.

The leakage flux alternately stores and discharges magnetic energy with each electrical cycle acting as an inductor in series with each of the primary and secondary circuits.

Leakage inductance depends on the geometry of the core and the windings. Voltage drop across the leakage reactance results in often undesirable supply regulation with varying transformer load. But it can also be useful for harmonic isolation (attenuating higher frequencies) of some loads.


A "imperfectly-coupled transformer" is an example of "Leakage Inductance". It is not that case that Transformers are only susceptible to Leakage Inductance. Any imperfectly-coupled Electrical Device is considered to have Leakage Inductance when the Inductors are imperfectly-coupled!

Fairly simple here and certainly not complex!


You have said many things, many of them irrelevant to what you claim to be researching and/or wrong.

MarkE - I think those reading  will now know who is wrong!


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« Reply #280 on: January 26, 2015, 12:40:09 AM »
Hey, I believe you said something similar about me once.  I am not sure what you mean by this but, I suspect that it is not a compliment.  If you are implying that MarkE is not intelligent, then, I would really have to question your reasoning (or lack thereof) for coming to this conclusion.

Bill

And now MarkE's puppy dog "Bill" lets out a little Bark  ;)

Bill, be your own leader and don't be led! Chew that leash off and you can be free!

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Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #281 on: January 26, 2015, 12:49:52 AM »
And now MarkE's puppy dog "Bill" lets out a little Bark  ;)

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Wow.  Is that supposed to be another insult?  Is this the best you have?  Really, I would have expected better from you.  But, life is full of disappointments.

Bill

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« Reply #282 on: January 26, 2015, 12:53:46 AM »
Wow.  Is that supposed to be another insult?  Is this the best you have?  Really, I would have expected better from you.  But, life is full of disappointments.

Bill

No, advise! It looks really silly how you blindly follow!

Do yourself a favour, free yourself!

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« Reply #283 on: January 26, 2015, 01:04:58 AM »
@MarkE,

I am glad you have voiced your assumptions and opinions for all to read!
Yada, yada, yada.  You made a nonsensical statement, and I asked for clarification.  This is what you come back with.
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Makes sense to me, simple question! You did not answer it?
Since I asked you to clarify your question, it was premature to offer an answer.
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This is perhaps your biggest assumption to date: "new source of energy" - Are you saying "Electrical Generators" are a "new source of energy"? They are not! They are well known, been used for many, many decades.
Are you really as obtuse as you present yourself to be?
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Assume Nothing! Electrical Energy is Pumped, I have already shown and proven all the principals involved!
You have not established any new principle.  Nor have you established that you or anyone else can actually obtain the 1.7X COP that you claim.
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I am not introducing anything new here. In-Fact the opposite is true. Everything I have shown is standard already known principals! Bucking Coils are not New!
No they are not, and contrary to your claims, they do not generate overunity.
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MarkE, you have unfortunately let yourself down here.

For anyone following this thread, that has watched the Videos and Read the documents and read my posts, they will see that I have provided more than just a few silly words.
You have provided many silly words.  You seem to revel in offering silly words and obtuse statements.  What you don't seem to do is offer any actual evidence to support your overunity claims.
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It seems that the most simple line of text that I wrote has upset you the most:

Is it that the truth hurts here?
LOL, the truth only hurts your bogus claims.
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For others here I will provide references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leakage_inductance

A "imperfectly-coupled transformer" is an example of "Leakage Inductance". It is not that case that Transformers are only susceptible to Leakage Inductance. Any imperfectly-coupled Electrical Device is considered to have Leakage Inductance when the Inductors are imperfectly-coupled!

Fairly simple here and certainly not complex!
Noit is not complex.  It is rather simple.  And that simplicity contributes to the silliness of your unsubstantiated OU claims.  All you have done is to construct a transformer that has lots of leakage inductance.
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MarkE - I think those reading  will now know who is wrong!
By your failure to provide substantiating evidence for your OU claims, yes it is very obvious.
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« Reply #284 on: January 26, 2015, 01:14:36 AM »
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MarkE - I think those reading  will now know who is wrong!

It's certainly obvious to me.

AC vs DC coupled scope channels. -- EMJunkie is wrong.
"Decoupling" capacitor.-- EMJunkie is wrong.
"In Phase" when actually 180 degrees out-of-phase.-- EMJunkie is wrong.
1.7 OU without any evidence. -- EMJunkie is wrong.
Insults delivered to Bill, MarkE and anyone else who dares to ask for real evidence for the COP claim. -- EMJunkie is wrong.

 

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