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Title: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 16, 2015, 06:08:38 AM
This thread is for those interested in moving ahead with Free Energy!

Experiments and serious discussion only!

Data: http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf

Video 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM

Video 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY

Video 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSadMqEnO7I

Video 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-V1z2TdQJA

Also Required Study: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcGWO_x8tpM and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9m86joRSMg

Some information already Posted to: http://overunity.com/14974/magnet-myths-and-misconceptions/1125/#.VLigOU0fqUk - from about page 76 on. Childish Games were apparent before this point  :-\

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 16, 2015, 08:17:22 AM
@ALL

Between 4/5 years ago I did a set of experiments that led to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM

I published the above video nearly 4 Years ago now.

Approximately 2 years ago, I did this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY

I published the above video nearly 3 Months ago now.

I have already given all my work freely - Its now up to You!

Please start asking questions, in your mind, Why?

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 16, 2015, 08:18:18 AM
@ALL

What's the first thing you think of when you hear the term "Bucking Coil"?

Repel, Reject.... Think what it is?

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 16, 2015, 08:18:39 AM
@ALL - I would like to quote from a very smart person:

"Electricity is not made by the generator, it is merely pumped."

Kind Regards

  Chris
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 16, 2015, 08:20:49 AM
@ALL

Ok, I am going to throw it out there!

How: Charge is Separated!

Charge is Separated, Negative to one Terminal, Positive to the other Terminal.

Why:

In a Generator, the Conductors experience a Force, via the Magnetic Field, and each Charge is pushed to its corresponding Terminal. Charge Separation!


References:
URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcGWO_x8tpM and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9m86joRSMg
URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaWG_6WCkTA
URL: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1BXNFlIaHM


The same is true in Battery's, Chemical Force Separates Charge!

The same is true in Solar Cells, Chemical Force, induced by the Sun's Rays, Separates Charge!

Lenz's Law is ONLY apparent when Current is drawn from the resulting Charge Separation, E.G; Energy.

So Energy is not Generated at all! It was already there! Not Separated! At rest! Equilibrium!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 16, 2015, 08:22:47 AM
@ALL

Floyd Sweet said:

“If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-Field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E/2 to E"

Just some food for thought!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: forest on January 16, 2015, 08:29:57 AM
"The device is a generator as truly as the power-driven rotary generator in any power plant. Those generators don't actually 'make' electricity. They condense it from the air. "


H.Perrigo
http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/perrigo/perrig.htm)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 16, 2015, 08:36:43 AM
Those generators don't actually 'make' electricity.

Hi Forest,

I agree. Energy can not be created or destroyed. You and I agree with Science on this one!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 16, 2015, 09:55:39 AM
I decided to cross post this because it's actually about this thread.   I expect to just sit back and wait for the results.  I have no intention of getting involved with the building and testing process and I would be viewed as a "hostile witness" anyway.

MileHigh

--------------------------

Chris:

I wish you and any participants good luck on the transformer testing thread and I am reposting the picture here again.

I suppose that I have a few suggestions and warning shots to fire across the bow for you and whoever decides to build it.

1.  Forest posted an unrelated link about getting "power from the air."  I would suggest to you and the team that you discourage that because it will mess up the thread which is supposed to be about building and testing your alleged COP 1.7 device.

2.  Where is your own data?  More pictures, measurements, dimensions, scope shots, test methodology, test setup, meter readings, power in and power out measurements?  You are on shaky ground from the get-go because of your limited skills and experience.  So how are we even supposed to know that your COP 1.7 claim is even credible?  I looked through your pdf doc and I didn't see anything like that.

3.  If I was going to build and test your device I would insist on having more information.  Just building off a picture and a claim with no other information gives you almost unlimited opportunities to make up excuses to shoot down any claims from replicators that it doesn't work.  I have seen this happen "all the time" so it's up to you to provide the proper information.

3.  If nobody can replicate your test results the first excuse from the claimant is that the replication wasn't true to the original.  So share your build data.  Is that a rectangular core that forms a closed magnetic circuit?  Where did you get it?  Is there a part number?  Do you have the spec for the ferrite core material?  What gauge of wire and how many turns?  If there are diodes what are the generic part number(s)?  Show some more pictures on your thread, I assume that you still have the device on your bench somewhere.

4.  I will state it again to all of the participants:  Do not let the thread degenerate into a ridiculous mess.  The first person that starts talking about Steron's solid state Orbo should get a demerit point.

5.  If TK or Itsu decide to replicate this device, and they get some help from MarkE and/or Picowatt, then you are going to be in for a rough ride.  The reason I am saying a "rough ride" is because a good replication from that team will be definitive and show the real truth.  No amount of name-calling or freaking out is going to change the good solid hard data that can be produced by that combo.  So if you want to show real character, you will have to concede that you were wrong.

6.  I am sorry you are peeved that I am calling it before anybody has built it.  But at the same time I am encouraging anybody that wants to build it to go forward and build it and test it.  I fully understand the determined desire to go and prove it to yourself no matter what anybody says.  Look, transformers either do something special or they don't.  There are 150+ years of history and science behind this.  I don't have nearly the same level of knowledge, experience, or competence as other people around here but that doesn't matter.  I can think clearly and visualize what is going on for stuff like this quite well and in five years I have never been wrong.

7.  If somebody is going to build this and they have limited knowledge and experience then do not be shy and ask your peers for help.  There is nothing worse than watching someone faking it and doing a bunch of nonsensical foolishness on their bench.  I will give you an example.  Recently Russ was making some measurements of some kind of spikey waveform and he was using the digital current meter display on his bench power supply.  For all anybody knows the current sensing circuitry inside a bench power supply is cheap junk and you can't rely on it at all for any serious measurements.  Don't bullshit yourself and ask for help.

8.  When you are going to report your results don't just make a live hand-held YouTube clip that's just a mish-mash of numbers on meters and unexplained shots of scope traces.  Those are totally bullshit clips.  Post your measurement data in table form, show a few pictures, show a schematic and show your measurement test points on the schematic.  Any voltage measurement done with a meter or an oscilloscope is done across two test points.  If you only show one point it's a super fail.  Nobody is going to assume that the unnamed test point is the ground - you must state both test points.

9.  A reminder, this is about making power-in and power-out measurements.  Anybody that relies on the resistor colour-code for the value of their load resistance is making a huge fail.  You take your best quality multimeter and you actually measure the value of the resistor.  Anybody that is too lazy to do that should not even be doing the experiment.

10.  Here is a big bugaboo for the forums:  error tolerances.  Off hand I can't recall any test threads or clips where experimenters made error tolerance estimates to go along with their data.  I am sure it is done sometimes but it is such a rare occurrence that I can't think of one right now.  It would be very confidence inspiring if when you presented your measurement data you included error tolerances.  Hey, I did it when I was 16 years old in my grade 11 physics and chemistry lab reports and you can do it too.

I know this all sounds like a pain in the ass, but it is worth stating.  Clips vary from incoherent messes with rat's nests of alligator clips and zero information to well done clips with full supporting documentation where it's the supporting documentation that counts and not the clip itself.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Dave45 on January 16, 2015, 01:10:45 PM
Hey Chris good thread
Have you considered the mazzili circuit for your bucking coil arrangement.
Can the bucking coils be center taped.
I must admit I have not followed all your links in this thread.
Dont let the naysayers ruin your day, follow your own direction.
A possible solution if the coils cant be center taped.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: wistiti on January 16, 2015, 03:55:34 PM
Hi emfreak
Thank you for free sharing! :)
We talk about it at: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19931-bucking-coil-inverter.html
Maybe you could add your help there to...?
Ciao!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 16, 2015, 10:02:48 PM
I decided to cross post this because it's actually about this thread.   I expect to just sit back and wait for the results.  I have no intention of getting involved with the building and testing process and I would be viewed as a "hostile witness" anyway.

MileHigh

--------------------------

Chris:

I wish you and any participants good luck on the transformer testing thread and I am reposting the picture here again.

I suppose that I have a few suggestions and warning shots to fire across the bow for you and whoever decides to build it.

1.  Forest posted an unrelated link about getting "power from the air."  I would suggest to you and the team that you discourage that because it will mess up the thread which is supposed to be about building and testing your alleged COP 1.7 device.

2.  Where is your own data?  More pictures, measurements, dimensions, scope shots, test methodology, test setup, meter readings, power in and power out measurements?  You are on shaky ground from the get-go because of your limited skills and experience.  So how are we even supposed to know that your COP 1.7 claim is even credible?  I looked through your pdf doc and I didn't see anything like that.

3.  If I was going to build and test your device I would insist on having more information.  Just building off a picture and a claim with no other information gives you almost unlimited opportunities to make up excuses to shoot down any claims from replicators that it doesn't work.  I have seen this happen "all the time" so it's up to you to provide the proper information.

3.  If nobody can replicate your test results the first excuse from the claimant is that the replication wasn't true to the original.  So share your build data.  Is that a rectangular core that forms a closed magnetic circuit?  Where did you get it?  Is there a part number?  Do you have the spec for the ferrite core material?  What gauge of wire and how many turns?  If there are diodes what are the generic part number(s)?  Show some more pictures on your thread, I assume that you still have the device on your bench somewhere.

4.  I will state it again to all of the participants:  Do not let the thread degenerate into a ridiculous mess.  The first person that starts talking about Steron's solid state Orbo should get a demerit point.

5.  If TK or Itsu decide to replicate this device, and they get some help from MarkE and/or Picowatt, then you are going to be in for a rough ride.  The reason I am saying a "rough ride" is because a good replication from that team will be definitive and show the real truth.  No amount of name-calling or freaking out is going to change the good solid hard data that can be produced by that combo.  So if you want to show real character, you will have to concede that you were wrong.

6.  I am sorry you are peeved that I am calling it before anybody has built it.  But at the same time I am encouraging anybody that wants to build it to go forward and build it and test it.  I fully understand the determined desire to go and prove it to yourself no matter what anybody says.  Look, transformers either do something special or they don't.  There are 150+ years of history and science behind this.  I don't have nearly the same level of knowledge, experience, or competence as other people around here but that doesn't matter.  I can think clearly and visualize what is going on for stuff like this quite well and in five years I have never been wrong.

7.  If somebody is going to build this and they have limited knowledge and experience then do not be shy and ask your peers for help.  There is nothing worse than watching someone faking it and doing a bunch of nonsensical foolishness on their bench.  I will give you an example.  Recently Russ was making some measurements of some kind of spikey waveform and he was using the digital current meter display on his bench power supply.  For all anybody knows the current sensing circuitry inside a bench power supply is cheap junk and you can't rely on it at all for any serious measurements.  Don't bullshit yourself and ask for help.

8.  When you are going to report your results don't just make a live hand-held YouTube clip that's just a mish-mash of numbers on meters and unexplained shots of scope traces.  Those are totally bullshit clips.  Post your measurement data in table form, show a few pictures, show a schematic and show your measurement test points on the schematic.  Any voltage measurement done with a meter or an oscilloscope is done across two test points.  If you only show one point it's a super fail.  Nobody is going to assume that the unnamed test point is the ground - you must state both test points.

9.  A reminder, this is about making power-in and power-out measurements.  Anybody that relies on the resistor colour-code for the value of their load resistance is making a huge fail.  You take your best quality multimeter and you actually measure the value of the resistor.  Anybody that is too lazy to do that should not even be doing the experiment.

10.  Here is a big bugaboo for the forums:  error tolerances.  Off hand I can't recall any test threads or clips where experimenters made error tolerance estimates to go along with their data.  I am sure it is done sometimes but it is such a rare occurrence that I can't think of one right now.  It would be very confidence inspiring if when you presented your measurement data you included error tolerances.  Hey, I did it when I was 16 years old in my grade 11 physics and chemistry lab reports and you can do it too.

I know this all sounds like a pain in the ass, but it is worth stating.  Clips vary from incoherent messes with rat's nests of alligator clips and zero information to well done clips with full supporting documentation where it's the supporting documentation that counts and not the clip itself.

MileHigh

@MileHigh - I respect this post - Thank You for this sensible and logical Post!

I have decided that the only proof is in the eyes of the end user. Debate can be pointless because everything can be debated and refuted! It only makes sense to build and test for ones self!

First: Principals involved are extremely simple! Takes a little playing around with in some cases but its easy!

Second: Most everyone here can do it for no more than $20.00 - Most here will already have the materials!

Third: I am willing to help others achieve the above stated Goal!

I have provided all the information in the first thread. I do not have all the answers yet, but I have enough to make it work! Some principals are not normal Transformer Principals! E.G; Loose Coupling is a requirement!

I really do wish all of the people here at ou.com, and as a matter of fact everywhere, could work together and achieve goals! I really hope we can do it here!

I am asking for nothing in return, I am asking for No Money! I am giving all free!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 16, 2015, 10:07:34 PM
Hey Chris good thread
Have you considered the mazzili circuit for your bucking coil arrangement.
Can the bucking coils be center taped.
I must admit I have not followed all your links in this thread.
Dont let the naysayers ruin your day, follow your own direction.
A possible solution if the coils cant be center taped.

Hey Dave45,

Thanks I hope it proves productive!

To-date, I have found 3 configurations to work! I have not included one because it over complicates the situation for beginners!

Bucking Coils are necessary on the output, I call them Partnered Output Coils. Simply because prior terminologies are confusing and incorrect by definition!

On the input, really anything that works! I have always used a single coil: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY

Thanks for your ideas!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 16, 2015, 10:11:33 PM
Hi emfreak
Thank you for free sharing! :)
We talk about it at: http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19931-bucking-coil-inverter.html
Maybe you could add your help there to...?
Ciao!

Hi Wistiti,

No problem - Just doing my bit!

I started this thread so as not to "Clog" other threads with data that may not be relevant or wanted. I am happy to help out if you have questions but if you don't mind, I would like to concentrate all my efforts here for a little while  ;)

Please feel free to cross post though if you think the topic/data is relevant  :)

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 16, 2015, 10:19:23 PM
@ALL

I am going to ask, please, this is about doing ones Homework!

I am happy to help everyone out trying to build/replicate but I do expect people that are participating to know all data that has been provided!

All contained in the first post: http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg433154/#msg433154

I have spent many hours documenting, making videos, and also trying to give this information to others.

Knowing about Charge Separation is an important step!

Also Required Study: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcGWO_x8tpM - @4:46 on...

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: stupify12 on January 16, 2015, 10:25:58 PM
 Hello,

       This coil is not new, Tesla used this winding coil on his Tesla Transformer on the Tesla Book. Together with the detailed construction of this transformer it is very clearly describe on the Tesla Book.

The Partnered Coils which what you call it which actually I think is a Cylindrical form of Tesla Pancake Bifilar Coil.. The Cyclindrical Form Tesla Pancake  (Parntnered Coil) can be driven with TWO Primary but not on the same core, which Tesla design it in a wooden spool, that is why Tesla clearly showed the schematic of this Tesla Transformer with a Dual Primary but not connected in series, will only be connected when the small spark gap fires between the Dual Primary..


Meow
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 16, 2015, 10:35:32 PM
Hello,

       This coil is not new, Tesla used this winding coil on his Tesla Transformer on the Tesla Book. Together with the detailed construction of this transformer it is very clearly describe on the Tesla Book.

The Partnered Coils which what you call it which actually I think is a Cylindrical form of Tesla Pancake Bifilar Coil.. The Cyclindrical Form Tesla Pancake  (Parntnered Coil) can be driven with TWO Primary but not on the same core, which Tesla design it in a wooden spool, that is why Tesla clearly showed the schematic of this Tesla Transformer with a Dual Primary but not connected in series, will only be connected when the small spark gap fires between the Dual Primary..


Meow

@stupify12

Have you read the pdf document?

I just posted, asking everyone here that wants to participate to do their homework: http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg433154/#msg433154

PDF URL: http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf

In Video Form: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSadMqEnO7I

You're right, its not new, but again I have already pointed this out in the documentation. Its not anything like the Pancake Coil!

Please study the data! It is really important!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: wistiti on January 16, 2015, 11:34:50 PM
Hi emJunkie(sorry for em freak...)
Could you explain a bit more on the charge separation? Also could you post a schematic of a low cost way to pulse the primary coil at the right frequency?
Thank you!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 17, 2015, 01:44:44 AM
Could you explain a bit more on the charge separation?

Hi Wistiti,

Good Question!

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcGWO_x8tpM - @4.46 on I cant Stress Enough how important the study of this video and other material is!!!

Magnetic Flux as it cuts (Bvl), or in Flux Linking(dPhi/dt), each turn sees a change in Flux Density over time, the Conductor (Turn/s) experience's a Force.

The Force is the Lorentz Force:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorentz_force

I have shown two experiment's to show more information in this area: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kckxzBUxTHg and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Enr6_d3yU

Charges in the Conductor are separated because of the Lorentz Force. Positive one way, Negative the other!

I have proven this, in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Enr6_d3yU

Induction does not occur unless the Charges are pushed the right ways! it is possible to push the Charges in the same ways at the same time, which results in no Output EMF!

Please study the videos carefully. Information is not always in the form of verbal context!

Also could you post a schematic of a low cost way to pulse the primary coil at the right frequency?

I recommend to try to do it as cheap and easy as possible. I use a H-Bridge in the video. Driven by a small Micro Controller. I have spent far too much time and money in my configuration, to make this practical however!

Something that may be suitable:

EBAY: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Dual-H-Bridge-DC-Stepper-Motor-Drive-Controller-Board-Module-Arduino-L298N-BY-/200991688684?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item2ecc09c7ec

or

EBAY: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/43A-H-Bridge-Drive-PWM-For-Arduino-Semiconductor-BTS7960B-Stepper-Motor-Driver-/380802365419?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item58a996f7eb

Look at the frequency range before purchasing. Anything from 50Hz to 5KHz will do the trick.

Even a simple Home made bridge will do the trick, I personally think its too much work for the cost. when one can get something that will be close enough for $3 on EBay.

Maybe use a Signal Gen to drive the Bridge.

Does this answer your questions?

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!



Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: vasik041 on January 17, 2015, 11:35:38 AM
Hi EMJunkie,Thank you for sharing many interesting files.
Perhaps you could suggest some (simple) experiment to observe COP > 1 ?
I (and my friends) made many experiments with coils with opposing magnetic fields and so far we can't see reliable proof that such arrangement give OU.
Thanks!
 :)



Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 17, 2015, 02:31:29 PM
Chris,

Thank you for all your good work. I am definitely sure your behind a great concept.

I follow you since months and I have seen your videos many times. Once I saw one great video suggested by you which has such a good comparison that I decided to make a snap of it:  http://youtu.be/rcks2fcpHUk (http://youtu.be/rcks2fcpHUk)

I can not grasp your last idea of how to improve charge separation. I will be tuned.

I also share your idea that this world will change for the better.Thanks and keep on!!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: dieter on January 17, 2015, 03:11:47 PM
I also higly appreciate your work. Just recently I asked some questions that you seem to answer here. I'll organize some chips and go trough all your links this evening.


BR
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: dieter on January 17, 2015, 09:26:57 PM
I went trough it and most of it I've seen already earlier. Several things I'd like to say.


This womans TTS voice is hardly bearable, why don't you use your voice, which sounds good btw.


Then in one video was mostly no sound at all, but it needed some explanation. (the one with the 3 coils on a straight core, with the bulb and yellow shortening cable)


I am very much interested in bucking coils, but I find it hard to filter out the essentials from the 43 pages, as well as from the video about the same. What is really needed is 3 simple diagrams, showing the 3 possible ways to use the coils, as you mentioned. Diagrams of complete cirquits including power input, output/load, parts specs. Maybe a short description of what it does.


All other info appears more like unneccessary cargo, like credits to a number of FE figures, including Hendershot, who is questioned by many. Also basics, like what Lorentz force is, or Lenz, that's just unneccessary in a tech doc. And just for in case: never use exclamation marks in a technical document.


If you however release a book and need like 100 pages plus, then that is ok to add some background info. (What I do is, I use lulu.com to print my book, buy a few copies and smuggle them into pulic libraries :), using some fake numbers like XY234 45 B...)


I hope you don't feel offended by my comments.


I am as I said very interested in the subject, and also about what you think about a center tap.


BR

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 17, 2015, 10:05:07 PM
Hi EMJunkie,Thank you for sharing many interesting files.
Perhaps you could suggest some (simple) experiment to observe COP > 1 ?
I (and my friends) made many experiments with coils with opposing magnetic fields and so far we can't see reliable proof that such arrangement give OU.
Thanks!
 :)

Hi vasik041,

Just doing my bit for the species!

Like anything in Life, it is really important to start at the start! Experiment lead to an understanding. I suggest to follow my Experiments, or even Bill Alek's or even Paul Raymond Jensen's.

Of course this is all documented in my pdf, I really don't want to keep covering the same data all the time, but;
1: Loose Coupling is required - I used Plastic Spacers in this device: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY
2: Step the Output Voltage Up, turns ratio of at least 1:3 - for each turn on the input, 3 turns on the output! On each Partnered Output Coil!
3: Find the best running Frequency

Really important to follow your gut!

The reason I have laied out all the data I have given, is simply that there are a lot of variables that can change things, for example my device may not run at the same frequency as yours, Inductance, might a bit out...

I am really glad you've already seen some results that have presented questions. Its not easy to do! Its a different understanding!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 17, 2015, 10:31:34 PM
Thank you for all your good work. I am definitely sure your behind a great concept.

I follow you since months and I have seen your videos many times. Once I saw one great video suggested by you which has such a good comparison that I decided to make a snap of it:  http://youtu.be/rcks2fcpHUk (http://youtu.be/rcks2fcpHUk)

Hi Hanon!

Just doing my bit for the Species  ;) Thanks!

I can not grasp your last idea of how to improve charge separation. I will be tuned.

In these devices, the more Flux Density, the more Charge Separation can be bought on. As an example, in a Transformer, each Coil has its own Electromagnetic Field:

1: Primary Coil - Magnetic Field that we pay for - Input
2: Secondary - Induction Occurs, Charge Separation and as a Current is drawn, Lenz's Law induces a Magnetic Field that opposes the Primary Magnetic Field!

Here we can see that when the Transformer is loaded, there is a NET ZERO Magnetic Field. This means the Ampere Turns on the primary are equal but opposite to the Ampere Turns on the secondary, or close to it. Where the Vector of each Magnetic Field sum’s to ZERO!!!

Our Transformer’s Primary Coil sees Reflected Power (Lenz’s law), this Reflected Power must be compensated for, because this reflected power = negative dPhi/dt emphasising the Negative Sign, and as a result the input Current must increase to support the Magnetic Field and push the Transformer through the BH Curve.

Note: I have deliberately used the term Magnetic Field and not Electromagnetic Field! It is the Magnetic Field that needs the most attention here.

The Secondary Coils Magnetic Field can be used to actually increase the Charge Separation! At the same time, it is also used to reduce Lenz's law effects back on the primary!

A simple example:

Input: 1 Gauss
Partnered Output Coils: 10 Gauss

Here we can see there can be an increase in the Flux Density in the Partnered Output Coils, not because of the Input, but because each Partnered Output Coil can In-Crease the density by Supporting Its Own Magnetic Field.

Experiment:

Take a conventional Automotive Alternator.
Install on a Rig along with an electric Motor.
Drive the Automotive Alternator with the Electric Motor

Only input is mechanical in the form of Rotation to the Alternator Shaft!

Question: Is it possible to get an Output with No Extra Input to the Alternator?
Answer: Yes

Result: By connecting the Field Coil on the Alternator in such a way, either in a short circuit, or connected in series with the output Coils, enough Feed Back is produced to get an Electrical Output on the Output Terminals.

Not Free Energy, but this shows that Feed Back Techniques can excite the Coils and Magnetic Fields can Manifest in the Device with no further Input! The Magnetic Field can be made to Support Itself!

ONLY because of Lenz Law, Resistive Mechanical Force is applied on the Shaft in Opposition to the applied Input from the Electric Motor!

Lenz's Law is Only a Result of the Electrical Output, NOT the Cause!!!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 17, 2015, 10:42:34 PM
I also higly appreciate your work. Just recently I asked some questions that you seem to answer here. I'll organize some chips and go trough all your links this evening.


BR

@Dieter

Excellent, I am glad this is resonating! Any questions, please let me know, I will try to answer. Remember, I am still learning too! I don't have all the answers yet.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 17, 2015, 11:10:47 PM

Hi Dieter,

This womans TTS voice is hardly bearable, why don't you use your voice, which sounds good btw.

I hear your pain. I did this so as people that don't have time to sit down and read the document can watch and listen to it. The pdf is currently the same.

Then in one video was mostly no sound at all, but it needed some explanation. (the one with the 3 coils on a straight core, with the bulb and yellow shortening cable)

When I made this video, I was still unsure on a lot of things. Its sort of incomplete. I stated in the comments, that I didn't want my opinion of how it worked to become the topic of debate. I don't mind good healthy debate but senseless debate is pointless. The fastest way to learn is by doing it for ones self!

I am very much interested in bucking coils, but I find it hard to filter out the essentials from the 43 pages, as well as from the video about the same. What is really needed is 3 simple diagrams, showing the 3 possible ways to use the coils, as you mentioned. Diagrams of complete cirquits including power input, output/load, parts specs. Maybe a short description of what it does.

Glad to hear! This really does come down to "how many ways to skin a cat" - Everyone is at different level of progression, some are starting and may have very little knowledge and others are very knowledgeable. Where does one start, how does one approach something like this? Its hard to get it right and do the best one can by everyone.

Simplicity!

Start small, Cheap, progress from the start!

Maybe this: EBAY: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/180W-180W-2CH-12V-Small-Stereo-High-Power-Amplifier-for-CD-MP3-Car-Audio-Home-/400586923881?pt=AU_Electronics_Audio_Amplifiers&hash=item5d44d75f69

I just bought one. Drive it with a Function Generator!

Yesterday I suggested a H-Bridge which is what I have been using. Mine is too much work, and cost, to make it viable for others here. I did start a thread on this topic: http://overunity.com/14566/reliable-and-flexible-switching-system/#.VLra2E0fqUk

Not many people were interested so it sort of fizzled out.

All other info appears more like unneccessary cargo, like credits to a number of FE figures, including Hendershot, who is questioned by many. Also basics, like what Lorentz force is, or Lenz, that's just unneccessary in a tech doc. And just for in case: never use exclamation marks in a technical document.

Same again, everyone is at different level of progression, some are starting and may have very little knowledge and others are very knowledgeable. Where does one start, how does one approach something like this? Its hard to get it right and do the best one can by everyone. Some people would want to see this and others not, like your self.

I really think its important to give credit where credit is due.

Many people will not understand Lenz's Law, I mean really understand it! Many will know of it but not stopped to think how it works exactly! Properly understanding these topics is very important!

If you however release a book and need like 100 pages plus, then that is ok to add some background info. (What I do is, I use lulu.com to print my book, buy a few copies and smuggle them into pulic libraries :), using some fake numbers like XY234 45 B...)


I hope you don't feel offended by my comments.


I am as I said very interested in the subject, and also about what you think about a center tap.

For now, the pdf is on my website is doing the trick. For me, its easy to update and easy to add info to as is needed. Thanks for the suggestions though!

Not at all  ;)

Re; center tap, Always an open mind! It's possible and logical that something like this can achieve results but for now I am going to tick to the basics and keep it simple.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: dieter on January 17, 2015, 11:43:38 PM
Something that was really an eye opener to me was when I realized, that the Lorentz force in a generator acts in a 90 degree angle to the B Field, regardless of the angular momentum of the approaching inductor.


So, yes, you're right, certain basics should be recapped, esp. when they are barely understood or misinterpreted by the highly educted because they never really looked at it, but just rephrased some incoherent theoretical claims of the "divine" standard model.


BR

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: FatBird on January 18, 2015, 01:44:36 AM
EMJunkie, Can you please post the circuit that you said is too complicated for beginners.


Thanks.
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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 18, 2015, 01:48:46 AM
(This is a response to a post from FatBird that has been edited away by him.)

Whaaat?

Imagine the coils as a big pipe. Drop a ping-pong ball into the pipe (one of the free ends) and blow it through with compressed air. Use the same viewpoint as in the diagram above. The ball will travel in CCW direction in one coil and CW direction in the other coil. Whaaat?

(Very clever of you FatBird to have edited your post so that it no longer shows your image and your claim.)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 18, 2015, 09:15:36 AM
Something that was really an eye opener to me was when I realized, that the Lorentz force in a generator acts in a 90 degree angle to the B Field, regardless of the angular momentum of the approaching inductor.


So, yes, you're right, certain basics should be recapped, esp. when they are barely understood or misinterpreted by the highly educted because they never really looked at it, but just rephrased some incoherent theoretical claims of the "divine" standard model.


BR

@Dieter,

Yes, if one wants to create an Excess Energy Output to that which one is to Input, then one must understand how to achieve this!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 18, 2015, 09:20:24 AM
EMJunkie, Can you please post the circuit that you said is too complicated for beginners.


Thanks.
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@FatBird,

Please See Earlier Post:

Yesterday I suggested a H-Bridge which is what I have been using. Mine is too much work, and cost, to make it viable for others here. I did start a thread on this topic: http://overunity.com/14566/reliable-and-flexible-switching-system/#.VLra2E0fqUk

I can post Pictures of my new model if you wish tomorrow. I feel this would just confuse people so I am a little hesitant.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 18, 2015, 03:55:06 PM
Chris,

I have a doubt: if one inducer coil is affecting two bucking coils, one wound CW and the other CCW then the induction in each of then will try to create a current in each coil which has a oppositte direction. In some sense the induced current in both coils will try to cancel each other, and then the output will be lower.

I would like to propose you a scheme in order you can tell if I could be right: Suppose that there are two inducers and the in the middle the two bucking coils.  If the inducers have the same poles facing each other (let´s say N-N or S-S) then each induced coil is trasversed by the field from each inducer, therefore the output will add up.

What about an aligned configuration as:
 
 INDUCER (North) ---- ONE BUCKING COIL ---- ONE BUCKING COIL ---- (North) INDUCER
 
 Where both inducers are creating a North pole toward each bucking coil (same inducer poles facing each other: North-North). This way each bucking coil is transversed by a different inducer field : one inducing in CW and other inducing in CCW, the same as the wiring of both bucking coils. With this configuration the induced current is extracted in the center tap.

Could it be a valid scheme?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 18, 2015, 09:21:52 PM
Chris,

I have a doubt: if one inducer coil is affecting two bucking coils, one wound CW and the other CCW then the induction in each of then will try to create a current in each coil which has a oppositte direction. In some sense the induced current in both coils will try to cancel each other, and then the output will be lower.

I would like to propose you a scheme in order you can tell if I could be right: Suppose that there are two inducers and the in the middle the two bucking coils.  If the inducers have the same poles facing each other (let´s say N-N or S-S) then each induced coil is trasversed by the field from each inducer, therefore the output will add up.

What about an aligned configuration as:
 
 INDUCER (North) ---- ONE BUCKING COIL ---- ONE BUCKING COIL ---- (North) INDUCER
 
 Where both inducers are creating a North pole toward each bucking coil (same inducer poles facing each other: North-North). This way each bucking coil is transversed by a different inducer field : one inducing in CW and other inducing in CCW, the same as the wiring of both bucking coils. With this configuration the induced current is extracted in the center tap.

Could it be a valid scheme?

@Hanon

No, it doesn't work like this!

Bucking Coils are only used on the Output!

Not on the Input!

Again, I cant stress enough, please study the material I have given: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-V1z2TdQJA

All information was given in the first post: http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg433154/#msg433154

Don't make any changes until its working!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 18, 2015, 09:34:48 PM
@ALL

Reading the prior posts to this thread, we now know How Charge is Separated, Where we have Magnetic Fields; E.G; Primary, Secondary, and that the Secondary is in the opposing direction to the Primary!

We know that the Secondary Magnetic Field is only a Result of Drawing Current from the Charge Separation that we have already bought about from the Primary Magnetic Field Changing in Time!

So, its now fair to say that:

Any Magnetic Field Changing in Time Can Separate Charge

So a Secondary Magnetic Field (Lenz's Law) can be used to actually Separate More Charge Carriers!!!

Green Coil: Input Coil
Gold Coils: Partnered Output Coils - Each Coil Increases Charge Separation

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 18, 2015, 11:11:09 PM
EMJunkie, Can you please post the circuit that you said is too complicated for beginners.


Thanks.
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@FatBird

Some Pictures as promised:

I started a thread: My Cerberus Code (https://www.ghielectronics.com/community/codeshare/entry/943). My code is a bit more advanced that this now.

@ALL - Please don't let this discourage You! It does not need to be this complicated, Time Consuming, or expensive!

EBAY: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Dual-H-Bridge-DC-Stepper-Motor-Drive-Controller-Board-Module-Arduino-L298N-BY-/200991688684?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item2ecc09c7ec

or

EBAY: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/43A-H-Bridge-Drive-PWM-For-Arduino-Semiconductor-BTS7960B-Stepper-Motor-Driver-/380802365419?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item58a996f7eb

Look at the frequency range before purchasing. Anything from 50Hz to 5KHz will do the trick.

Maybe this: EBAY: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/180W-180W-2CH-12V-Small-Stereo-High-Power-Amplifier-for-CD-MP3-Car-Audio-Home-/400586923881?pt=AU_Electronics_Audio_Amplifiers&hash=item5d44d75f69

I actually bought the small Amplifier as I thought it was really well priced for the unit!!! The above is cheap and if the Frequency's are suitable, these are more than sufficient to start with.

For anyone that has read the pdf and studied in detail, some may see that these devices can be Uni-Polar and also Bi-Polar. This is something I will go into later on as I don't want to complicate the technology at the beginning. It is best to start with and for others wanting to take measurements, to start with Bi-Polar Devices.

Again, You don't need to go to this trouble! I have spent way too much Time and Money on this Project!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 19, 2015, 12:00:29 AM
Hi Emjunkie

Thanks a lot for sharing this interesting work of you!

Is it possible pls to explain with few words what exactly is the A vector and its relation to the e-field which apparently is being doubled after the cancellation of the H-fields? 

Thanks
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 19, 2015, 12:18:09 AM
@Hanon

No, it doesn't work like this!

Bucking Coils are only used on the Output!

Not on the Input!


Hi Cris,

I know that the bucking coils are used on the output. My scheme is about two bucking coils used to collect the induced current. Please revise it again. Forget about the two inducer coils orientation. I just used two inducer coils because I think that each inducer coil will influence one induced coil and therefore the result could be better. Please have a look again. Think about the inducer magnetic field and the induced fields of the whole system. Thanks.

I do not know if you are aware of Garry Stanley anti-lenz coil. He used two bucking coils as your proposal but into a rotary device. Here I add a link in case you want to investigate this:  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5911-garry-stanley-pulse-motor-2.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5911-garry-stanley-pulse-motor-2.html)

Regards
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 19, 2015, 12:23:50 AM
Hi Emjunkie

Thanks a lot for sharing this interesting work of you!

Is it possible pls to explain with few words what exactly is the A vector and its relation to the e-field which apparently is being doubled after the cancellation of the H-fields? 

Thanks

Hi Jeg,

The A Vector Potential is the Electric Component of a Magnetic Field. Thus the reason we use the term Electromagnetic Field.

Sir Richard Feynman best describes the A Vector Potential, I have attached the pdf.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 19, 2015, 12:57:25 AM
Hi Chris,

I know that the bucking coils are used on the output. My scheme is about two bucking coils used to collect the induced current. Please revise it again. Forget about the two inducer coils orientation. I just used two inducer coils because I think that each inducer coil will influence one induced coil and therefore the result could be better. Please have a look again. Think about the inducer magnetic field and the induced fields of the whole system. Thanks.

I do not know if you are aware of Garry Stanley anti-lenz coil. He used two bucking coils as your proposal but into a rotary device. Here I add a link in case you want to investigate this:  http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5911-garry-stanley-pulse-motor-2.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/5911-garry-stanley-pulse-motor-2.html)

Regards

Hi Hanon,

What you have shown is not what I am trying to get across to people! None of the principals I have shown are incorporated in your schematic!

In my work:
1: Step Up techniques must be incorporated!
2: Input Coil must be single standard wound coil.
3: Loose Coupling is best used to see the effects.

No way for an increase in Energy is possible in this schematic.

I am sorry, I have to be blunt here simply because I don't want anyone to get confused. I am going out of my way to try to help. I really am short on time as I have so much stuff on right now!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on January 19, 2015, 01:46:12 AM
Hi folks, Hi Chris, thanks for sharing your ideas.
Do you think this follows your principal.
Thanks for your intention to help people.
peace love light
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 19, 2015, 03:14:38 AM
Hi folks, Hi Chris, thanks for sharing your ideas.
Do you think this follows your principal.
Thanks for your intention to help people.
peace love light

@SkyWatcher123

I see you are using Bucking Coils! Your Experiment looks quite interesting.

Do you think this follows your principal.

Its not following my work! However, I guess it could be considered a sort of Stan Meyer Vic Circuit similarity - See attached pic

EDIT: On closer examination, it is not too far from my work, still not the same however.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 19, 2015, 03:26:57 AM
@ALL

I have built a small app to calculate the AC Input Power:

Needs .net4.0

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 19, 2015, 06:57:18 AM
Hi,

I think also that Clemente Figuera used some sort of bucking coil in his 1902 patent where the "induced circuit" as he called was sandwitched between two inducers. I understand your point, and it is good idea to avoid deaviating from the concept you have shown

Figuera 1902 patent. http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/docums/30378.pdf (http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/docums/30378.pdf)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 19, 2015, 07:09:18 AM
Hi,

What do you mean by "loose coupling" ?

It is that you are using all air cored coils?
In one of your post you said that you used plastic spacers in your proof of concept video. Could you define clearly the required scheme?

Thanks
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 19, 2015, 09:06:44 AM
Hi,

I think also that Clemente Figuera used some sort of bucking coil in his 1902 patent where the "induced circuit" as he called was sandwitched between two inducers. I understand your point, and it is good idea to avoid deaviating from the concept you have shown

Figuera 1902 patent. http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/docums/30378.pdf (http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/docums/30378.pdf)

Hi Hanon,

I agree, it is the same principal. Many devices in History use this Principal.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 19, 2015, 09:34:27 AM
Hi Hanon,

Good Question!

What do you mean by "loose coupling" ?

Loose Coupling, or some like to use the term Leakage Inductance is basically either a Gapped Core or a Set of Coils that are not tightly Coupled. This could be in the form of an Input Coil that is also gaped slightly on a different Core.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inductance#Coupled_inductors_and_mutual_inductance

or: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leakage_inductance

It is that you are using all air cored coils?

No - I have not had any luck with Air Cores!

In one of your post you said that you used plastic spacers in your proof of concept video. Could you define clearly the required scheme?

Experiment is the best way to learn. In the video, I used a CRT TV Flyback Ferrite Core. Picture below (from the Net - not mine) They come with little spacers, plastic normally. Sometimes they are gapped with the former. Its very simple! Keep it simple!

Below I have also attached a Picture of my early device. Blue Arrow = Output Coils - Red Arrow = Input Coil.

The best example I can give for Loose Coupling is Paul Raymond Jensen - Picture Attached: See the gap on the middle leg:

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 19, 2015, 09:52:26 AM
@ALL

Can anyone tell my why Loose Coupling or a Leakage Inductance is necessary? The answer is in one of the Videos posted in the first post to this thread!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 19, 2015, 09:58:25 AM
Hi Chriss

I attach two images for helping me to express my question.

At first image, we can see your arrangement where two bucking coils are in series in the same axis. In this mode we have a self canceling magnetic field. But the same time we have also a canceling E-field as vectors are in opposite directions. The same time, Floyd Sweet said:

“If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-Field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E/2 to E"

So, wouldn't be more appropriate in order to follow this technique to arrange our coils as in the second attachment?  In this second attachment bucking coils are the one close to the other in a parallel axis. In this position we also have a canceled magnetic field and the same time we have a sum of both the E-fields. Like Ed. Leedskalnin did in his pmh device where one coil is parallel to the other in a curved iron core. What is your opinion on this?

Thanks
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 19, 2015, 10:03:28 AM
@ALL

Can anyone tell my why Loose Coupling or a Leakage Inductance is necessary? The answer is in one of the Videos posted in the first post to this thread!

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I think i saw somewhere in your videos that is for adding more drag or magnetic resistance to the return path of the secondary induced magnetic flux ? I will check again.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 19, 2015, 09:38:08 PM
Hi Chriss

I attach two images for helping me to express my question.

At first image, we can see your arrangement where two bucking coils are in series in the same axis. In this mode we have a self canceling magnetic field. But the same time we have also a canceling E-field as vectors are in opposite directions. The same time, Floyd Sweet said:

“If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-Field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E/2 to E"

So, wouldn't be more appropriate in order to follow this technique to arrange our coils as in the second attachment?  In this second attachment bucking coils are the one close to the other in a parallel axis. In this position we also have a canceled magnetic field and the same time we have a sum of both the E-fields. Like Ed. Leedskalnin did in his pmh device where one coil is parallel to the other in a curved iron core. What is your opinion on this?

Thanks

@Jeg - Your way of thinking is exactly right!

Two Output Coils (Partnered Output Coils) can be arranged in such a fashion that one can work together with the other to be of benefit to us! This way they Increase the Excitation Frequency, working with the Input Frequency and NOT against it! Conventionally Output works against the Input!

To be honest, I have said it before many times, Experiment is the only way to learn! Use your gut feeling! It will lead you in the right direction!

I have attached a Picture I have used a few times and also one that many will debate till the cows come home.

Youre on the right track Jeg, keep up the good work!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 19, 2015, 09:41:59 PM
I think i saw somewhere in your videos that is for adding more drag or magnetic resistance to the return path of the secondary induced magnetic flux ? I will check again.

@Jeg,

No, it's to do with the Magnetic field, youre right there, but no drag, no resistance.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 19, 2015, 09:43:04 PM
@ALL

Please Vote in the Poll everyone! I really want to see what the over all consensus is!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on January 19, 2015, 10:26:55 PM
Hi folks, Hi emjunkie, thanks for your reply.
I comprehend which setup is proper now.
I'm going to wind a setup on a ferrite flyback core, like your early version and try that using a bifilar oscillator as the inducer primary.
Thanks.
peace love light
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 19, 2015, 10:54:46 PM
Hi folks, Hi emjunkie, thanks for your reply.
I comprehend which setup is proper now.
I'm going to wind a setup on a ferrite flyback core, like your early version and try that using a bifilar oscillator as the inducer primary.
Thanks.
peace love light

Hi SkyWatcher123,

Make sure you have 1:3 step up or more. 1:5 is what Floyd Sweet Used.

Its the Rate of Change of the Magnetic Field over Time. In saying this I have found in my devices Lower rather than Higher Frequency is better however - Currently I don't know why. My Frequency Ranges from 50Hz to 5KHz. Most of my devices running at a much lower frequency than 5KHz!

In other words, Bi-Filar Joule Thief Trigger arrangement may run at too higher of a Frequency to really see results! Just something to think about  ;)

Try to keep your Input Coils impedance at a level so that the running frequency will consume the lowest current for the highest Field, this is why I have found in the past, LC Tank Circuit, and resonating the input to some degree is the best.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 20, 2015, 04:01:31 AM
Very interesting, I've read the document, I really like to test it, but I'm not a very skilled builder. Where did you buy the core?

Many thanks for this. I like your clean, keep it simple approach.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 20, 2015, 04:20:24 AM
Very interesting, I've read the document, I really like to test it, but I'm not a very skilled builder. Where did you buy the core?

Many thanks for this. I like your clean, keep it simple approach.

Hi Alan,

This is the reason I have not given specific details on build. All Cores and Coils will be different. Each device will work with some small differences. Although the device will work with the same principals, each device has its differences.

My best recommendation is Salvage! Do you know someone with an old CRT TV? Or maybe EBay for some cores.

Small cores don't seem to have the same results. A reasonable size is best!

Even salvage an Old Transformer and experiment with that. I used the I Laminations in the device attached:

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM

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P.S: Magnets in this device have nothing to do with the effect! They were removed and the same effect was still present!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 20, 2015, 11:59:57 AM
Is it possible that the output is always at max, and therefore the input power doesn't change with different loads?
 
Do you remember which Tesla patent has the bucking coil?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 20, 2015, 12:21:54 PM
Is it possible that the output is always at max, and therefore the input power doesn't change with different loads?

Hi Alan,

No, with no load, or with load it does not Change!

Do you remember which Tesla patent has the bucking coil?

Try Patent: 336,961 and 336,962

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 20, 2015, 01:17:16 PM
Hi Chris,
Do you now understand Leedskalnin pmh? :)

Please come to this forum
http://open-source-energy.org/?board=4.0
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 20, 2015, 08:01:43 PM
Hi Chris,
Do you now understand Leedskalnin pmh? :)

Please come to this forum
http://open-source-energy.org/?board=4.0

Hi Alan,

Yes was video No#3 a little over 5 Years ago - see: https://www.youtube.com/user/SweetSQM/videos

I am short on time. I am happy if you cross post my posts there. Its up to you?

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: wistiti on January 20, 2015, 09:24:01 PM
Hi Em!
Did you find the ideal place to put the gap in the magnetic frame path? Mabe betwin the primary and the secondary... or in the middle of the 2 parthner coil?...
I read your pdf but as you can see i have not quite understand everything... Still learninr a bit each day! :)
Thank you!
ps: sorry for my english. ;)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 20, 2015, 10:05:21 PM

Hi Wistiti,

Did you find the ideal place to put the gap in the magnetic frame path? Mabe betwin the primary and the secondary... or in the middle of the 2 parthner coil?...

Good Question!

Gaps are more important in one configuration compared to the other!

If one has two coils the same and one is NOT wound in the opposite direction, then a bigger gap will be required! Other than that, one can get away with no substantial Gap! Simply spacing the coils appropriate distance apart may be enough! Sometimes one can have the Partnered Output Coils on top of each other like I have shown in some of my devices.

Follow your Gut Feeling, it will lead you in the right direction!

I read your pdf but as you can see i have not quite understand everything... Still learninr a bit each day! :)

Please feel free to ask questions! No Question is a Silly Question!

The only question that is silly, is the Question not asked!

Thank you!
ps: sorry for my english. ;)

No Problem! Just doing my bit for the Species!

I understand your English perfectly!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 20, 2015, 10:21:24 PM
@ALL

Can anyone tell my why Loose Coupling or a Leakage Inductance is necessary? The answer is in one of the Videos posted in the first post to this thread!

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@ALL

Answer: The Magnetic Field in each Partnered Output Coil must be given the time to build up! A Loose Coupling or a Leakage Inductance gives the Partnered Output Coils a little bit of room for the Fields to build! So each Field can support its Partner!

Please check back on this post as I may edit it if I can think of a better way to explain this.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: wistiti on January 20, 2015, 10:27:12 PM
one other question; does the magnetic core have to be a kind of a looped one like ring or square for a good return magnetic path? Or it can work to with a straight one like a  ferrite rod?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 20, 2015, 10:48:23 PM
one other question; does the magnetic core have to be a kind of a looped one like ring or square for a good return magnetic path?

@Wistiti,

Another good Question!

Short Answer: No

Long Answer: In some configurations, the Operation of each Partnered Output Coil will Uni-Polar. This means to get a Sine Wave output, one must have two sets of Partnered Output Coils. This is something I think its a little premature to get into at this stage. I can further advance in this area as we progress!

Lets just say, for people that already are in an understanding, Permanent Magnets introduce a Singular Flux Polarisation, E.G; South/North! In one Direction! This introduces added complications!

Or it can work to with a straight one like a  ferrite rod?

Yes if this is what you have available. Start with this!

Important: I do recommend, however, to start with a Closed Core! Either C Cores, U I Cores or similar! Toroid (Ferrite or other, Rings) don't seem to work. Not enough Leakage Inductance/Loose Coupling!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 20, 2015, 11:04:14 PM
Hi,

What happens if there is no gap? You loose the "effect"?. In other words: is the gap mandatory on the setup?

It would be great if you tell us a rough design to strat from. Turns, wire, core, voltage, amperage, frequency,gap width... I think you will gain credibility with this, better than refering to the gut feeling. Some of us are mot very skilfull in building those experiments.


Thanks
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 20, 2015, 11:17:57 PM
Hi Hanon,

Good Question!

Short Answer: Yes Sometimes.

What happens if there is no gap? You loose the "effect"?. In other words: is the gap mandatory on the setup?

Its not always the case however! Sometimes separating the Partnered Output Coils by a small distance is enough!

It would be great if you tell us a rough design to strat from. Turns, wire, core, voltage, amperage, frequency,gap width...

Well, I though I have done much more than this already?

URL: http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf

Is there not enough information in this document to get an idea on where to start? I recommend to start at the start! Don't expect your first device to run your house! Like I said in the document: "For every one device that works, expect 10 devices that don’t. But, don’t give up, keep trying."

If one follows the basic Principals I have given, it does work! Replicate my experiments first if you need somewhere to start.

I think you will gain credibility with this, better than refering to the gut feeling. Some of us are mot very skilfull in building those experiments.

This is the sort of thing that really makes me think that the Human Race will never progress past the point we are stuck in now! Hundreds of Researchers/Experimenters in History have given freely, to humanity, their work. Some have not! Some Charlatan's have paraded the arena and done the wrong thing by others!

I have not asked for Money! I have not asked for anything in return!

I have spent many hundreds of hours preparing information, animations and diagrams for others!

My Credibility is Solid!

I have shown countless other devices from Inventors/Researchers throughout History that have used the same technology!

People just don't understand, one needs to use their intuition to make this work!

Its not hard, it is actually very simple! Its very Cheap to do a simple experiment! Practice, play with the device, Learn what it likes and doesn't!

My Inductors shown in the below device, are standard Off the Shelf: http://www.jaycar.com.au/productView.asp?ID=LF1312

I ask you, Bill Alek gave most everything, is his credibility better off for it? No, people say: "Measurement Error" without even having the slightest understanding of what's going on! Or even the slightest idea on why it works, or how an Excess Energy Gain might even be Achieved!

I have given you all this information, How, Why and all details to follow this up!

I remind everyone, Bill is an EE, to call it "Measurement Error" is ridiculous especially with no evidence to the contrary!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 21, 2015, 12:29:37 AM
I really appreciatte all your work, from the bottom of my heart. It is amazing. I suppose you won´t like to share in public the COP you have got. I understand.

What I meant with my previous post is that if you want this info to spread around the world you need to go viral. This is a must.  For going viral you need a "critcal mass" of replicants to spread this technilogy. If not you will fail.

In order to get a critical mass, IMHO, you need three features in your device: 1- Easy to replicate a working prototype (maybe a small one) ; 2 - Full description of the construction/operation; 3 - Open source all that info in many forums/sites.  This is my opinion the requisites to, at least, have a chance to get that "critical mass" of followers. If you do not reach going viral then this technology could wait decades in the pipeline.

Good luck and keep on !!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 12:46:49 AM
Hi Hanon,

I really appreciatte all your work, from the bottom of my heart. It is amazing. I suppose you won´t like to share in public the COP you have got. I understand.

Thank You  :) - In the last device shown, the best I was able to achieve was COP = 1.7

What I meant with my previous post is that if you want this info to spread around the world you need to go viral. This is a must.  For going viral you need a "critcal mass" of replicants to spread this technilogy. If not you will fail.

Yes, it seems we (The Human Race) is doomed for failure! Seems some of us cant get past the bare Animal Instincts of Greed, Kill or be Killed mentality's? Why is it that we have so much value on the position's that nature can simply take in a minute? Yeah we all like a comfortable Life, but how much is too much. The wealthiest 1% will very soon surpass ALL the rest of us! Is the Human Race worthy of being saved?

The Meek shall inherit the Earth!  ;)

In order to get a critical mass, IMHO, you need three features in your device: 1- Easy to replicate a working prototype (maybe a small one) ; 2 - Full description of the construction/operation; 3 - Open source all that info in many forums/sites.  This is my opinion the requisites to, at least, have a chance to get that "critical mass" of followers. If you do not reach going viral then this technology could wait decades in the pipeline.

Completely agree Hanon!

The problem is, its not just a case of taking x, y z and assemble! One must play with it a little to get the best result! Materials can change the device's operation.

Good luck and keep on !!

Thanks, I know youre a really good person! We have had communications before. I am here on this thread to help with this, this surely also gives credibility to the device. How many inventors/Researchers have ever done this before?

1: Top Coils (Preferred)
2: Bottom Coils Also works but requires slightly more Gap/Loose Coupling.

Where (A) and (B) are the inter-connections between the Partnered Output Coils! The other terminals are the Output!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 12:52:15 AM
@ALL,

Why are we configuring Two Output Coils so that each Magnetic Field is Opposing each other?

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on January 21, 2015, 07:24:53 AM
Hi folks, Hi emjunkie, thanks again for sharing.
I finished making the coil former and winding coils, will be testing soon.

The bucking causes a ping pong action, that alternatingly induces more output in each coil and possibly increases frequency as well.
I have a feeling magnacoaster uses similar principle and many others no doubt.
peace love light ;)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 08:29:20 AM
Hey SkyWatcher123,

I finished making the coil former and winding coils, will be testing soon.

Excellent Work!

@ALL,

Why are we configuring Two Output Coils so that each Magnetic Field is Opposing each other?

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The bucking causes a ping pong action, that alternatingly induces more output in each coil and possibly increases frequency as well.
I have a feeling magnacoaster uses similar principle and many others no doubt.
peace love light ;)



Spot On! Any Conductor that see's a Changing Magnetic Field in Time will experience a Magnetic Force, Lorentz's Force.

It increases Charge Separation!!!

Floyd Sweet said:
“If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-Field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E/2 to E.”

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: gotoluc on January 21, 2015, 09:32:44 AM
In the last device shown, the best I was able to achieve was COP = 1.7

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Hi Chris,

could you please do a new video of your latest device with COP = 1.7 ... but this time attache a 10 Ohm resistor (instead of bulb) and have your scope probe across it displaying RMS voltage.

This would be of great help to start the replications going.

Thanks for your time and sharing your results

Luc
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 10:01:23 AM
Hi Chris,

could you please do a new video of your latest device with COP = 1.7 ... but this time attache a 10 Ohm resistor (instead of bulb) and have your scope probe across it displaying RMS voltage.

This would be of great help to start the replications going.

Thanks for your time and sharing your results

Luc

Hi Luc,

You can see in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY

Output Voltage goes up to 5.453 only after a few seconds of tunning. This is with a Resistive Load. Voltage and Current must be in phase through a Resistive Load.

A Resistor will not make any difference to this device, in fact if the resistor is wire wound it will not give an accurate result.

Without doing a rebuild on this device, as it is now parts in a box somewhere, re-building is a bit impractical.

I have however attached a Picture to show the RMS Voltage from the Video I have posted online at the above address.

I am not going down the "Measurement" path - Bill Alek a qualified EE has been ridiculed without any evidence to the contrary. My measurements are not up for debate here.

I am giving people the How's, Why's and the Secrets to build their own Devices. Its up to them to make their own decisions.

I encourage people to use their Common Sense and decide for themselves if this device makes sense and is worth the 1hr and $20:00 to Build and Learn.

Kind Regards

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: vasik041 on January 21, 2015, 11:53:52 AM
Quote
My measurements are not up for debate here.

Hi Chris,

I find this quite unfortunate. I can't understand why you doing it this way.
Why you don't want support your claims with real experiment and measurements ?
But instead asking people do their own research...

I perfomed myself tests with such setup and I saw many other test reports. Almost all OU measurements turned out to be a mistake.

Truth doesn't fear investigation  :)

Regards,
Vasik
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: tibal on January 21, 2015, 02:20:17 PM
Hey Chris :)
Great work and thanks for sharing!

I've made a first attempt with two sort of small U ferrites, 60 turns of AWG 30 on each one, in a partnered configuration like yours. Primary is wound on one U over the secondary half with 20 turns of a bit thicker wire. It gets pulsed with 5v, 1khz to 60khz, 1% to 50%. On the output of the partnered coils is a very small bulb. U ferrites are moved to change the gap length, side of contact, etc. So far it didn't produce an unexpected effect.

Could you please tell more on the following aspects?

* Working on small scale is probably a problem. What was the thinner gauge and number of turn you had in a working device not needing hours of tunning?

* In this configuration I can have one, two, or no gap, but only on contact points between U shapes that no coil is covering. In your COP 1.7 it seems one gap is under the secondary coil closer to primary. Do you already know if gap position is relevant or not ?

Thanks!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 21, 2015, 03:24:26 PM
@ALL,

Why are we configuring Two Output Coils so that each Magnetic Field is Opposing each other?

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Stan Meyer used a similar setup with his charging chokes, he said it was like that 'to limit current', but with your findings we want more current (for more power), only it must not be feedbacked to the input coil (Lenz).

Someone else (user nav) has played with bucking coils before you made your findings known:

http://youtu.be/qT-t6LpYbEc (http://youtu.be/qT-t6LpYbEc)

he made a monopole magnet with it:
http://youtu.be/4T2jyC6N0_g (http://youtu.be/4T2jyC6N0_g)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: wistiti on January 21, 2015, 05:18:24 PM
Hi Em!
Could you give me your comment about these idea...?
Thank you!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 21, 2015, 07:36:22 PM
Hi Luc,

You can see in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY)

Output Voltage goes up to 5.453 only after a few seconds of tunning. This is with a Resistive Load. Voltage and Current must be in phase through a Resistive Load.

A Resistor will not make any difference to this device, in fact if the resistor is wire wound it will not give an accurate result.

Without doing a rebuild on this device, as it is now parts in a box somewhere, re-building is a bit impractical.

I have however attached a Picture to show the RMS Voltage from the Video I have posted online at the above address.

I am not going down the "Measurement" path - Bill Alek a qualified EE has been ridiculed without any evidence to the contrary. My measurements are not up for debate here.

I am giving people the How's, Why's and the Secrets to build their own Devices. Its up to them to make their own decisions.

I encourage people to use their Common Sense and decide for themselves if this device makes sense and is worth the 1hr and $20:00 to Build and Learn.

Kind Regards

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Uh-huh. Would you accept power measurements from someone who says, "Here, hook up you scopes to the output, but first, put this 0.1 uF capacitor in series with your scope probes before you make any measurements".  Because that is what the "qualified EE" Bill Alek does when he shows you readings from scope channels that are _AC Coupled_.
Would you trust someone who blatantly lies during an interview? Because that is what the "qualified EE" Bill Alek did when interviewed a few weeks ago when asked why he hasn't shown his systems to people from MIT etc. He told the interviewer that he was just then introducing the "technology", when it is clear to everyone who follows these things that it is the _same_ system that was demonstrated last year and that he has been touting for even longer than that.
How about trusting power measurements made with _AC-coupled_ scope channels reading the output from a _Hall Effect_ current monitor system that needs precise adjustment and calibration of its _DC_ output in order to produce valid current readings? Because that is what the "qualified EE" Bill Alek does using his black box current monitor.

Ah, but your measurements are not up for debate. There is no possibility that you are making any errors in your measurements or that you are misinterpreting the measurements you do make. That is astounding, truly astounding. You are better than any other laboratory in the world! No crosschecking or examination of your techniques and claims are necessary because you are _always right_! Your "OU" claims are not up for debate!

Yet... you cannot self loop any of your supposed "OU" devices. Are we permitted to even ask you "why not"? Well, I already know why not... and so do you.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 21, 2015, 08:14:17 PM
we should stop discussing and nitpicking and start verifying if Chris is right, he kept it (too) simple and kept it basic, so no excuses can be made.  :)
If he is wrong, I give up on free energy and go on with my life.
 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: gotoluc on January 21, 2015, 08:26:21 PM
Hi Luc,

You can see in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY)

Output Voltage goes up to 5.453 only after a few seconds of tunning. This is with a Resistive Load. Voltage and Current must be in phase through a Resistive Load.

A Resistor will not make any difference to this device, in fact if the resistor is wire wound it will not give an accurate result.

Without doing a rebuild on this device, as it is now parts in a box somewhere, re-building is a bit impractical.

I have however attached a Picture to show the RMS Voltage from the Video I have posted online at the above address.

I am not going down the "Measurement" path - Bill Alek a qualified EE has been ridiculed without any evidence to the contrary. My measurements are not up for debate here.

I am giving people the How's, Why's and the Secrets to build their own Devices. Its up to them to make their own decisions.

I encourage people to use their Common Sense and decide for themselves if this device makes sense and is worth the 1hr and $20:00 to Build and Learn.

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

Hi Chris,

I do understand that you have a resistive load in your video. However, we don't know its resistive value so it's not possible to do any power calculations.
As you point out, you don't want to use a wire wound resistor to do this test either. Please use a carbon or metal film resistor. Also, I don't think cycle RMS is what you want to measure. Just use VRMS.

If you look at all my tests I offer power calculation to the best of my knowledge and ability. So I don't know why you would not want to do the same. I don't agree this is $20. worth of parts. There's a lot of equipment needed to do this test correctly. How much does your input power supply and circuit cost?... How much is a scope?... you have all what is needed yet you refuse to pay $2. for a few 5 Ohm 2W metal film resistors to do the power test correctly?

Something is not right  :(

Please help your topic start out right and reconsider this

Thanks for your time

Luc
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 08:39:25 PM
I find this quite unfortunate. I can't understand why you doing it this way.


@Vasik041

Really? Too Bad - I will go about things the way I see best! I am an adult and can make my own decisions!

Why you don't want support your claims with real experiment and measurements ?

Your distorted view of the truth is just funny! I have done the Experiments! I have done the Videos! I have documented my work and made diagrams and so on to support it all. I have pdf documents showing Photo's showing My Work and others work that follow the same lines!

But instead asking people do their own research...

No! I am asking people to learn it, build is and share it! I am the one that has done all the hard work! Spent many thousands of hours and dollars making devices work! Now I share my work.

I perfomed myself tests with such setup and I saw many other test reports. Almost all OU measurements turned out to be a mistake.

I am sorry for your result! Maybe you can do better next time? Maybe I can give some advise, don't give up so easy!

Truth doesn't fear investigation  :)

Now why do you think I would go to so much trouble to document, make pictures, take the time to post here, help others out, ALL Free mind you. Why?

I say to people, if you're afraid to go sailing for fear of falling off the side of the Earth, the flat Earth Theory was proven wrong many years ago!

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P.S: I started this thread for those interested. If you're not, and have nothing constructive to add. Kindly do not visit this thread!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 21, 2015, 08:44:19 PM
Billiam offers 2 years warranty for his products, I think this tech is real.
I asked for a demonstration of the 'never needs to be charged' Jetson scooter in the Netherlands, and I need one for myself.

http://auroratek.us/PRODUCTS.html
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 08:45:21 PM
Stan Meyer used a similar setup with his charging chokes, he said it was like that 'to limit current', but with your findings we want more current (for more power), only it must not be feedbacked to the input coil (Lenz).

Someone else (user nav) has played with bucking coils before you made your findings known:

http://youtu.be/qT-t6LpYbEc (http://youtu.be/qT-t6LpYbEc)

he made a monopole magnet with it:
http://youtu.be/4T2jyC6N0_g (http://youtu.be/4T2jyC6N0_g)

@Alan,

Thanks for sharing the links!

This is a very good demo! He has not quite got the configuration working correctly! He needs a closed Core like Stan had, an Iron Bar in a U Shape is not the best.

Yes, Stan did use this configuration! I have shown this in my pdf!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 08:48:09 PM
Uh-huh. Would you accept power measurements from someone who says, "Here, hook up you scopes to the output, but first, put this 0.1 uF capacitor in series with your scope probes before you make any measurements".  Because that is what the "qualified EE" Bill Alek does when he shows you readings from scope channels that are _AC Coupled_.
Would you trust someone who blatantly lies during an interview? Because that is what the "qualified EE" Bill Alek did when interviewed a few weeks ago when asked why he hasn't shown his systems to people from MIT etc. He told the interviewer that he was just then introducing the "technology", when it is clear to everyone who follows these things that it is the _same_ system that was demonstrated last year and that he has been touting for even longer than that.
How about trusting power measurements made with _AC-coupled_ scope channels reading the output from a _Hall Effect_ current monitor system that needs precise adjustment and calibration of its _DC_ output in order to produce valid current readings? Because that is what the "qualified EE" Bill Alek does using his black box current monitor.

Ah, but your measurements are not up for debate. There is no possibility that you are making any errors in your measurements or that you are misinterpreting the measurements you do make. That is astounding, truly astounding. You are better than any other laboratory in the world! No crosschecking or examination of your techniques and claims are necessary because you are _always right_! Your "OU" claims are not up for debate!

Yet... you cannot self loop any of your supposed "OU" devices. Are we permitted to even ask you "why not"? Well, I already know why not... and so do you.

@TinselKoala,

Currently: 11203 and everyone I have read is totally non constructive and really is just a SQL White Space filler.

I started this thread for those interested. If you're not, and have nothing constructive to add. Kindly do not visit this thread!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 08:57:19 PM
we should stop discussing and nitpicking and start verifying if Chris is right, he kept it (too) simple and kept it basic, so no excuses can be made.  :)
If he is wrong, I give up on free energy and go on with my life.

@Alan,

We got 5 Pages in before this started. Not Bad  ;)

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TheCell on January 21, 2015, 09:04:14 PM
Billiam offers 2 years warranty for his products, I think this tech is real.
I asked for a demonstration of the 'never needs to be charged' Jetson scooter in the Netherlands, and I need one for myself.

http://auroratek.us/PRODUCTS.html (http://auroratek.us/PRODUCTS.html)
@Alan

When the price is mentioned like 'Includes tax and shipping'
I think we will have to pay the extra tax in europe, what do you think?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 09:06:57 PM
Hi Chris,

I do understand that you have a resistive load in your video. However, we don't know its resistive value so it's not possible to do any power calculations.
As you point out, you don't want to use a wire wound resistor to do this test either. Please use a carbon or metal film resistor. Also, I don't think cycle RMS is what you want to measure. Just use VRMS.

If you look at all my tests I offer power calculation to the best of my knowledge and ability. So I don't know why you would not want to do the same. I don't agree this is $20. worth of parts. There's a lot of equipment needed to do this test correctly. How much does your input power supply and circuit cost?... How much is a scope?... you have all what is needed yet you refuse to pay $2. for a few 5 Ohm 2W metal film resistors to do the power test correctly?

Something is not right  :(

Please help your topic start out right and reconsider this

Thanks for your time

Luc

@Luc,

I understand your questions Luc! I probably would have questions also. I work a little different however. In my eyes, I need to See Proof. Not read about it.

I salvaged the CRT TV Flyback Transformer Core, like I said in other posts!

I cant remember exactly, but the coils when I bought them were about 5 or so dollars.

Like many others here, I already had the test Equipment. I mean, one can not include the test equipment for an experiment in the cost of the experiment.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: 10min on January 21, 2015, 09:10:31 PM
Hi,

Couple of questions:

1) Do "partnered coils" have to be made out of one wire or connected with a alligator clip like in you video? Dose it make any difference?
2) Dose the core have to be ferrite core?
3) If I understand correctly you are using 1:3 ration. Did you try any other rations?

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 09:10:47 PM
Hi Em!
Could you give me your comment about these idea...?
Thank you!

@Wistiti,

Nice! nicely drawn, well thought out and I see you have done your homework! Already done some work in this field by the looks!

Yes perfect! Don't put the small gap in there, just play with coil spacing from each other. Don't break your core, you don't need to for this setup!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 09:15:34 PM
Billiam offers 2 years warranty for his products, I think this tech is real.
I asked for a demonstration of the 'never needs to be charged' Jetson scooter in the Netherlands, and I need one for myself.

http://auroratek.us/PRODUCTS.html

@Alan and All,

It is real, I have nearly passed this tech over a few times, back when I first started. I ended coming back to it simply because it shows so many effects that are not in conventional Science!

Reduced or no Lenz from input to output is the biggest reason.

Like I said: "For every one device that works, expect 10 devices that don’t. But, don’t give up, keep trying."

For people starting with all this information, it really should be easy! Like I said you do have to play with it a bit to see what it likes and doesn't like!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: PIH123 on January 21, 2015, 09:59:52 PM
Hi EMJunkie

Sorry, this may seem like more nitpicking and I know it can get tedious when someone asks what at first seem like an irrelevant question,
but I think this one needs to be addressed if any measurements are to be considered.

Could you please explain the scope display in your video at 4:01 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY)

The scope is a PDS7102T so according to the user manual
(http://www.ageta.hu/pdf/PDS7102T%20USER%20MANUAL.pdf (http://www.ageta.hu/pdf/PDS7102T%20USER%20MANUAL.pdf) page 14 item 15.)

The icon "~" indicates the AC coupling

If the channels were showing DC coupling, then we would see "-", but we don't.

And according to http://www.phys.ufl.edu/courses/phy4802L/f05/lectures/oscilloscope.pdf (http://www.phys.ufl.edu/courses/phy4802L/f05/lectures/oscilloscope.pdf) pages 5 ad 6,
AC coupling is used to Remove all DC information and also To observe small AC on top of large DC

So What is the purpose of this display mode in this particular test ?
and hence, Where are you showing the DC components of the channels ?


I apologize in advance if I have missed that.

Many Thanks
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 21, 2015, 10:03:33 PM

Don't put the small gap in there, just play with coil spacing from each other. Don't break your core, you don't need to for this setup!


Chris, You were talking about using plastic spacers between cores and now it seems that just adjusting the coil spacing (distance) is fine to get the effect. Please define what you call "loose coupling". What is really required to replicate this device? My impression is as there is still information that you have not defined.

As a suggestion if you want to avoid going into hard discussion you should avoid agressive sentences stating that you measures are not here to be debated. Do not feed these discussions.

Regards
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 10:32:12 PM
Hi EMJunkie

Sorry, this may seem like more nitpicking and I know it can get tedious when someone asks what at first seem like an irrelevant question,
but I think this one needs to be addressed if any measurements are to be considered.

Could you please explain the scope display in your video at 4:01 in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY)

The scope is a PDS7102T so according to the user manual
(http://www.ageta.hu/pdf/PDS7102T%20USER%20MANUAL.pdf (http://www.ageta.hu/pdf/PDS7102T%20USER%20MANUAL.pdf) page 14 item 15.)

The icon "~" indicates the AC coupling

If the channels were showing DC coupling, then we would see "-", but we don't.

And according to http://www.phys.ufl.edu/courses/phy4802L/f05/lectures/oscilloscope.pdf (http://www.phys.ufl.edu/courses/phy4802L/f05/lectures/oscilloscope.pdf) pages 5 ad 6,
AC coupling is used to Remove all DC information and also To observe small AC on top of large DC

So What is the purpose of this display mode in this particular test ?
and hence, Where are you showing the DC components of the channels ?


I apologize in advance if I have missed that.

Many Thanks

@PIH123

Scope was AC Coupled @10 per div. The Output is AC on this device, not DC. Input is chopped DC, Bi-Polar via a H-Bridge, which is also considered to be AC, just a AC Square wave.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 10:34:22 PM
Chris, You were talking about using plastic spacers between cores and now it seems that just adjusting the coil spacing (distance) is fine to get the effect. Please define what you call "loose coupling". What is really required to replicate this device? My impression is as there is still information that you have not defined.

As a suggestion if you want to avoid going into hard discussion you should avoid agressive sentences stating that you measures are not here to be debated. Do not feed these discussions.

Regards

Hi Hanon,

Plastic Spacers ARE needed in the second configuration that I have shown. Not the first.

If I may suggest a re-read of the posts I have posted. I have covered this already! This is also covered in the pdf!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: PIH123 on January 21, 2015, 10:42:59 PM
@PIH123

Scope was AC Coupled @10 per div. The Output is AC on this device, not DC. Input is chopped DC, Bi-Polar via a H-Bridge, which is also considered to be AC, just a AC Square wave.

Kind Regards

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Thanks, that info helps.

So for anyone testing this, apparently, you should see no difference whether your scope is AC or DC coupled.

In which case, best testing practice would say make sure it is DC coupled on both channels so you won't miss anything unexpected.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 10:52:54 PM
Hi PIH123,

So for anyone testing this, apparently, you should see no difference whether your scope is AC or DC coupled.

No - This is not what I said! Please Re-Read the post.

It depends on the setup. If the Output is AC then AC is needed on the scope. Vice Versa...

In which case, best testing practice would say make sure it is DC coupled on both channels so you won't miss anything unexpected.

No, again I disagree!

"In alternating current (AC), the flow of electric charge periodically reverses direction." - A H-Bridge can Chop the DC and the flow of electric charge periodically reverses direction.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternating_current

This is just common-sense, so please don't try to confuse others here!

Kind Regards

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on January 21, 2015, 10:56:12 PM
Hi folks, Hi emjunkie, well just fired it up and i am using an led bulb to see if it can power things, it lights the led bulb well.
When i use a wire to short the partnered secondary coils, the amp draw lowers from 360 milliamps while powering led bulb down to 260 milliamps using 3.7 volt input.
My other setup did not do this when a dead short was applied across partnered coils.
So does this sound like the right behavior so far, emjunkie.
Here is a pic of it.
peace love light
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 11:10:02 PM
@ALL,

There is MORE than enough information, that I have provided, to make this work. For those that want to do it, I suggest to go ahead and do it. I don't have the time or the want to put up with people that are just time wasters! They could have done ten experiments by the time they write rubbish and post it publicly to disrupt and distract. We got 5 Pages in before they came!

Again, I point those interested to the First Post:

Quote

Data: http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf

Video 1: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJsVSMQqCOM

Video 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhQgch4L5XY

Video 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSadMqEnO7I

Video 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-V1z2TdQJA

Also Required Study: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcGWO_x8tpM and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9m86joRSMg


For those that want to disrupt and distract, write rubbish on a public thread, ALL with no proof, no experiments to back them up, and not real information to dispute other wise, go ahead!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 21, 2015, 11:12:07 PM
Hi Hanon,

Plastic Spacers ARE needed in the second configuration that I have shown. Not the first.

If I may suggest a re-read of the posts I have posted. I have covered this already! This is also covered in the pdf!

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I have difficulty understanding this picture; shouldn't the thumbs point in the opposite direction of the field of the primary (which isn't seen)?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: jbignes5 on January 21, 2015, 11:12:57 PM

 Again this is nothing new.


 http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1891-05-20.htm


 Figure 113 is the method you are talking about.


 The text I believe has been altered to deter the meaning of this setup.


 "The above described arrangements refer only to the use of commercial coils as ordinarily constructed.  If it is desired to construct a coil for the express purpose of performing with it such experiments as I have described, or, generally, rendering it capable of withstanding the greatest possible difference of potential, then a construction as indicated in Fig. 17 / 113 will be found of advantage.  The coil in this case is formed of two independent parts which are wound oppositely, the connection between both being made near the primary.  The potential in the middle being zero, there is not much tendency to jump to the primary and not much insulation is required.  In some cases the middle point may, however, be connected to the primary or to the ground.  In such a coil the places of greatest difference of potential are far apart and the coil is capable of withstanding an enormous strain.  The two parts may be movable so as to allow a slight adjustment of the capacity effect."

 Another reference to this design is also a Tesla creation:

 http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm

 Figure 3 is also this design slightly changed for very high voltage use.

 If you read the whole document you will see it is mostly about very high frequencies and very high voltages. Their separation and use after the separation. Figure 17 shows a one terminal Motor and how to use it with this type of system of very high frequency oscillations which was proven by Kapanadze in his video's as well.  Shown here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ


 JBignes5
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 21, 2015, 11:13:07 PM
Hi PIH123,

No - This is not what I said! Please Re-Read the post.

It depends on the setup. If the Output is AC then AC is needed on the scope. Vice Versa...

No, again I disagree!

"In alternating current (AC), the flow of electric charge periodically reverses direction." - A H-Bridge can Chop the DC and the flow of electric charge periodically reverses direction.

Ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternating_current (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternating_current)

This is just common-sense, so please don't try to confuse others here!

Kind Regards

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(emphasis mine)

And there you have it. EMJunkie does not understand AC vs DC coupled scope channels or what they are used for.

http://www.ni.com/white-paper/14753/en/
http://www.phys.ufl.edu/courses/phy4802L/f05/lectures/oscilloscope.pdf
And many many more.

When you select "AC coupled" on your oscilloscope, the scope puts a _capacitor_ in series with the scope probe. This _removes_ any DC or very slow varying voltage from the displayed signal. This means, in turn, that you can have any amount of DC power in the measured signal and you will not see it on the scope's display.  It is almost _never_ appropriate to use AC-coupled scope channels for power measurements. In fact, even on "AC" signals, the use of AC-coupling moves the _average_ of the voltage signal down or up to the "zero" volts baseline. You can imagine the havoc this wreaks with any attempted power measurements.

The usual use of AC coupling is to remove large DC offsets so that small "ripples" riding on top of the DC may be read at higher resolution. It is NOT "for measuring AC" as EMJunkie seems to believe.

Please learn how to use your test equipment properly, so that people don't laugh at you when you go around claiming OU from ordinary configurations of parts.



Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 11:14:36 PM
Hi folks, Hi emjunkie, well just fired it up and i am using an led bulb to see if it can power things, it lights the led bulb well.
When i use a wire to short the partnered secondary coils, the amp draw lowers from 360 milliamps while powering led bulb down to 260 milliamps using 3.7 volt input.
My other setup did not do this when a dead short was applied across partnered coils.
So does this sound like the right behavior so far, emjunkie.
Here is a pic of it.
peace love light

@SkyWatcher123,

Yes Sir! Very nice! Well Done!

For the others here, how long did it take you?

How much did it Cost you?

Are you happy there are already effect there that are worth perusing?

Try different Loads, increasing it slowly! Try to keep all Load's Resistive, Inductances can throw the measurements out! Very Nice!  ;)

Very Nice, Well Done!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 11:18:59 PM
(emphasis mine)

And there you have it. EMJunkie does not understand AC vs DC coupled scope channels or what they are used for.

http://www.ni.com/white-paper/14753/en/
http://www.phys.ufl.edu/courses/phy4802L/f05/lectures/oscilloscope.pdf
And many many more.

When you select "AC coupled" on your oscilloscope, the scope puts a _capacitor_ in series with the scope probe. This _removes_ any DC or very slow varying voltage from the displayed signal. This means, in turn, that you can have any amount of DC power in the measured signal and you will not see it on the scope's display.  It is almost _never_ appropriate to use AC-coupled scope channels for power measurements. In fact, even on "AC" signals, the use of AC-coupling moves the _average_ of the voltage signal down or up to the "zero" volts baseline. You can imagine the havoc this wreaks with any attempted power measurements.

The usual use of AC coupling is to remove large DC offsets so that small "ripples" riding on top of the DC may be read at higher resolution. It is NOT "for measuring AC" as EMJunkie seems to believe.

Please learn how to use your test equipment properly, so that people don't laugh at you when you go around claiming OU from ordinary configurations of parts.

@TinselKoala

The output on these devices are AC!

Everyone knows this capacitor is just a decoupling cap! Every Single Crow has its own Capacitance! Regardless of this Cap! I have never heard of such a silly provoking argument in my life!

Go away and distract others that worship your holiness  ::) I don't want your idioms here!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 21, 2015, 11:21:58 PM
Hi folks, Hi emjunkie, well just fired it up and i am using an led bulb to see if it can power things, it lights the led bulb well.
When i use a wire to short the partnered secondary coils, the amp draw lowers from 360 milliamps while powering led bulb down to 260 milliamps using 3.7 volt input.
My other setup did not do this when a dead short was applied across partnered coils.
So does this sound like the right behavior so far, emjunkie.
Here is a pic of it.
peace love light
Awesome

I wonder what the output I and V are.
Will build it myself soon, if I get my hands on an old crt monitor.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 21, 2015, 11:37:30 PM
I have difficulty understanding this picture; shouldn't the thumbs point in the opposite direction of the field of the primary (which isn't seen)?

Hi Alan,

Good Question!

What happens if we bring two coils together, one has an input of say 10V 10ma?

The Secondary Coil, in it is Induced and EMF, (Charge Separation), via Time Rate of Change of the Magnetic Field of the Primary! This Magnetic Field (Result of Charge Flowing) is in the Opposite Direction to the Primary! So in the Picture (Attached) we see Net Zero Magnetic Field. The Vector from each Magnetic Field, Sums to Zero! This is Lenz's Law! A Magnetic Field that Opposes the Primary! Only if Loaded and Current is Flowing!

Now, in a Secondary, which would normally be carrying Current anyway, if we bring another Coil in (Tertiary Coil), we see again a Tertiary Field, Lenz Law, Induced EMF in our Tertiary Coil! Because of the Magnetic Field in the Secondary, which in turn opposes the Primary. Our Tertiary Coil actually Adds to the Primary Coils Field.

IMPORTANT: The Electric Fields of each Coil must Add (Like Floyd Sweet said) - So simply putting a bunch of coils together may not work as one may expect! It has to be configured correctly to work!

"If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E/2 to E. It is a simple matter using the equations √ue and 1/√ue for a team wave to get rid of H and C and so convert the first equation into the well known equation for energy density in the so-called electrostatic field"

Its a little complicated to get ones head around at the start. Keep thinking, it will come!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 21, 2015, 11:51:10 PM
@TinselKoala

The output on these devices are AC!

Everyone knows this capacitor is just a decoupling cap!

Go away and distract others that worship your holiness  ::) I don't want your idioms here!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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No, the AC-coupling capacitor is a high-pass filter that filters out DC components and moves the signal average down to the channel baseline. Did you not read the references, especially the one from NATIONAL INSTRUMENTS ? You really should.

The use of AC-coupling puts the _average_ of any AC signal on the zero volts baseline, in addition to removing DC offsets. For power measurements of rough signals or especially signals with any DC component, this gives inaccurate results.

And of course you do not want any criticisms here. You are always right and your measurements are not to be questioned, you have already said that!

But you are just revealing your ignorance with this matter. Do a little homework! Read the references I have cited! Look up some other references on your own! Learn to use your test equipment properly!

You can believe whatever you want, but when you start delivering clearly incorrect information you can expect criticism from people who know better.

But you would be well advised to believe the engineers from National Instruments! And until you can demonstrate that you know how properly to use your test equipment... everyone would be well advised to question your measurements and your claims.

It may be in special cases (like truly symmetrical sinusoidal AC signals)  that there is no difference in the readings taken with AC vs. DC coupled scope channels. Is your system such a special case? It's easy to test. Does the displayed signal move up or down _at all_ when you switch from DC coupled to AC coupled? If it doesn't, then you have such a special case, but you should still  be using DC-coupled channels by default for _all measurements_ unless you have some good reason not to, so that you don't miss DC offsets or falsely change the average position of the signal.

Here's a demonstration I made a long time ago when LTseung was claiming OU from some JT measurements made with his scope AC-coupled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVFyaQY6pR0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVFyaQY6pR0)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 12:09:50 AM
No, the AC-coupling capacitor is a high-pass filter that filters out DC components and moves the signal average down to the channel baseline. Did you not read the references, especially the one from NATIONAL INSTRUMENTS ? You really should.

The use of AC-coupling puts the _average_ of any AC signal on the zero volts baseline, in addition to removing DC offsets. For power measurements of rough signals or especially signals with any DC component, this gives inaccurate results.

And of course you do not want any criticisms here. You are always right and your measurements are not to be questioned, you have already said that!

But you are just revealing your ignorance with this matter. Do a little homework! Read the references I have cited! Look up some other references on your own! Learn to use your test equipment properly!

You can believe whatever you want, but when you start delivering clearly incorrect information you can expect criticism from people who know better.

But you would be well advised to believe the engineers from National Instruments! And until you can demonstrate that you know how properly to use your test equipment... everyone would be well advised to question your measurements and your claims.

It may be in special cases (like truly symmetrical sinusoidal AC signals)  that there is no difference in the readings taken with AC vs. DC coupled scope channels. Is your system such a special case? It's easy to test. Does the displayed signal move up or down _at all_ when you switch from DC coupled to AC coupled? If it doesn't, then you have such a special case, but you should still  be using DC-coupled channels by default for _all measurements_ unless you have some good reason not to, so that you don't miss DC offsets or falsely change the average position of the signal.

Here's a demonstration I made a long time ago when LTseung was claiming OU from some JT measurements made with his scope AC-coupled.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVFyaQY6pR0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVFyaQY6pR0)

@TinselKoala,

So you're saying that perhaps the most accurate instrument that Human Kind has ever designed and built, with many decades of refinements, cant be trusted because of a high-pass filter that filters out DC components?

My Frequency was 394.4Hz - Really!!!

My Output was AC!

Go away, you're being stupid!

This information you have provided does not prove a single thing except that you have read the references! It certainly does not prove any measurement error! Besides, like I said, I am well past my second device now. This is now old tech for me. Its what I have decided to share with others!

Stop wasting everyone's time and distracting others! Let others work and get on with things!

Go and take pictures of your scope and stop bothering us!

Kind Regards

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 22, 2015, 12:11:29 AM
A decoupling capacitor would be connected from the signal input to the ground. The AC-coupling capacitor on a scope channel is connected _IN SERIES_ with the scope probe, not to ground.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decoupling_capacitor

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 22, 2015, 12:22:08 AM
@TinselKoala,

So you're saying that perhaps the most accurate instrument that Human Kind has ever designed and built, with many decades of refinements, cant be trusted because of a high-pass filter that filters out DC components?
No, I'm saying that you are MISUSING your instrument and destroying its accuracy by your misuse.
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My Frequency was 394.4Hz - Really!!!
Frequency is one of the few measurements that are not affected by choice of coupling. Which you would know if you understood what you are talking about.
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My Output was AC!
So? The use of AC vs DC coupling has NOTHING TO DO with "measuring AC", as the references I have cited, and the demonstrations I have provided, explain clearly.
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Go away, you're being stupid!
LOL ! You are the one who isn't understanding the basics of scope usage, nor what a "decoupling" capacitor does, or how it is different from the AC-coupling cap in your scope! And you are refusing to educate yourself! Now that is stupidity, or rather, wilful ignorance.
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This information you have provided does not prove a single thing except that you have read the references! It certainly does not prove any measurement error!

It proves you don't understand your test equipment, decoupling capacitors, DC offsets, the effect of AC coupling on voltage measurements, and a lot of other stuff.
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Besides, like I said, I am well past my second device now. This is now old tech for me. Its what I have decided to share with others!
Where is your self-looped device? Since you are claiming OU of 1.7 times input, you should easily be able to self-loop that device. Yet you cannot. Therefore, your measurements are in error, or you are incompetent to do something that any competent electrical experimenter could easily do. You choose.
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Stop wasting everyone's time and distracting others! Let others work and get on with things!
You are wasting people's time by making false claims based on your poor understanding of your equipment and your apparatus. You have claimed OU but cannot support your claim with self-looping,  properly performed power measurements or in any other correct manner.
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Go and take pictures of your scope and stop bothering us!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

Nothing that I have said here is wrong. Much that you have said here is wrong. Anyone who can read can read the references for themselves and decide.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 12:27:09 AM
Where is your self-looped device? Since you are claiming OU of 1.7 times input, you should easily be able to self-loop that device.

And thus you display your true arrogance and ignorance!

Go away TinselKoala we don't want you here!

Go and setup a "Why Scope's don't work" thread!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: minnie on January 22, 2015, 12:41:35 AM



  EMJ,
        experience is what you get when you're looking for something else!
  Very common mistake, learn as you go.
                                              John.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 01:06:18 AM


  EMJ,
        experience is what you get when you're looking for something else!
  Very common mistake, learn as you go.
                                              John.

Hi John,

If the context is of the last message, then I am not sure what you're quite meaning. If you wouldn't mind clarifying?

Surely, one could argue, that the search never ends? Science will have for a long time yet more to find and understand! One thing leads to another....

I have attached a quote from a very smart mind:

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: picowatt on January 22, 2015, 01:24:49 AM
And thus you display your true arrogance and ignorance!

Go away TinselKoala we don't want you here!

Go and setup a "Why Scope's don't work" thread!

As TK has stated, it's not the 'scope, it's the operator.

You really should take the time to learn why your 'scope should've been DC coupled instead of arguing with and insulting those that are trying to teach you something very basic about using a 'scope.

When you do figure it out, you will realize how silly (and arrogant) you are being...

PW
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 01:34:29 AM

@Picowatt,

As TK has stated, it's not the 'scope, it's the operator.

Yes, knowing how to use a Scope is important.

Measuring AC with AC Coupling is NOT Wrong! To suggest so, is only words of someone that has nothing better to do! Its really ridiculous!

You really should take the time to learn why your 'scope should've been DC coupled instead of arguing with and insulting those that are trying to teach you something very basic about using a 'scope.

Like I have stated before Picowatt - My measurements are not up for debate here. If you want to go and start your own thread for that, then please feel free to go and do so!

When you do figure it out, you will realize how silly (and arrogant) you are being...

And here is the tell tail sign, you have proven your absolute hypocrisy!

This thread is for Experiments and serious discussion for individuals that want to learn and experiment with this technology! Please feel free to NOT visit this thread anymore unless you have something constructive to add!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!



Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: picowatt on January 22, 2015, 01:47:48 AM
EMJunkie,

I can only repeat what has been said before, you really need to learn what "AC coupling" is for.

Anyone reading this thread that does know how to use a 'scope's AC coupling also knows just how silly you are being.

Your choice..

PW
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 02:06:10 AM
@Picowatt

Anyone reading this thread that does know how to use a 'scope's AC coupling also knows just how silly you are being.

Silly is right, if the Scope was DC Coupled you would argue that AC Coupling was needed.

All the Wave forms, All the Measurements in the world would not be enough!

No pleasing some people! See why My Measurements are NOT up for debate!

I have worked on this Technology for some 5 odd years. Why after 5 Years would I come here and start a thread to help others learn this Technology? Maybe you could use some Common-Sense?

This Technology Works! Period! No matter weather "Some" scopes have a Cap on the AC Coupling or not! No matter weather you "Think" my measurements are wrong, No matter weather you would rather spend more time arguing on this thread than actually go and build a device as others have!

Seriously, debating Measurement's after all the information I have provided is only the path of people that are just Lazy or have other alternative agenda's!!!

Build the damn device! Work for your future, don't waste time on debating the little things that really at the end of the day have no real significance to the overall outcome! It works! Build it! Stop bitching like a little girl!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

P.S: To all following, I am sorry for my short span of patience with some people!

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 22, 2015, 02:24:44 AM
Dubble post
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: picowatt on January 22, 2015, 02:27:20 AM
@Picowatt

Silly is right, if the Scope was DC Coupled you would argue that AC Coupling was needed.

You are wrong, no one who knows how to use a 'scope would have argued that AC coupling was correct or required.  You should stick to using DC coupling until you learn when it is appropriate to use AC coupling.

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All the Wave forms, All the Measurements in the world would not be enough!

No pleasing some people! See why My Measurements are NOT up for debate!

This isn't about your measurements.  It's about the proper use of a 'scope.

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I have worked on this Technology for some 5 odd years. Why after 5 Years would I come here and start a thread to help others learn this Technology? Maybe you could use some Common-Sense?

This Technology Works! Period! No matter weather "Some" scopes have a Cap on the AC Coupling or not! No matter weather you "Think" my measurements are wrong, No matter weather you would rather spend more time arguing on this thread than actually go and build a device as others have!

Seriously, debating Measurement's after all the information I have provided is only the path of people that are just Lazy or have other alternative agenda's!!!

Build the damn device! Work for your future, don't waste time on debating the little things that really at the end of the day have no real significance to the overall outcome! It works! Build it! Stop bitching like a little girl!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

P.S: To all following, I am sorry for my short span of patience with some people!

I have not weighed in one way or another with my opinion regarding your "technology" or your "measurements".

However, you should learn when it is appropriate to use AC coupling and how the incorrect use of AC coupling can affect the accuracy of your measurements (particular if your waveforms are not perfectly symmetrical or contain any DC component).

PW

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 22, 2015, 02:39:35 AM
This guy started a thread to present his ideas.

Some people have voiced their opposition...done !

Don't belabor the point...you have voiced your opinions...move on.

Yopu were politele asked to leave his thread.

Please do so, and let people be.

If it turns out he made an error, so what ? 

Its a very cheap build...he is asking for nothing.

The general excuse for hounding people like him, is to save us gullible oafs from sending money.

As this is not the case, and there is no money involved, the gentlemanly thing to do is to leave...as you were politely asked.

The wore that can happen is that we learn from the "mistake".

The best thing that can happen, is that it works...OR...someone makes an important discovery while stumbling around in the dark.

No one here is interested in yet another 'war of the words'.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 02:40:57 AM
However, you should learn when it is appropriate to use AC coupling and how the incorrect use of AC coupling can affect the accuracy of your measurements (particular if your waveforms are not perfectly symmetrical or contain any DC component).

@Picowatt,

And you should get to work and learn some very important Technology placed right in front of you!

Free!


Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 02:45:42 AM
This guy started a thread to present his ideas.

Some people have voiced their opposition...done !

Don't belabor the point...you have voiced your opinions...move on.

Yopu were politele asked to leave his thread.

Please do so, and let people be.

If it turns out he made an error, so what ? 

Its a very cheap build...he is asking for nothing.

The general excuse for hounding people like him, is to save us gullible oafs from sending money.

As this is not the case, and there is no money involved, the gentlemanly thing to do is to leave...as you were politely asked.

The wore that can happen is that we learn from the "mistake".

The best thing that can happen, is that it works...OR...someone makes an important discovery while stumbling around in the dark.

No one here is interested in yet another 'war of the words'.

Regards...

@Cap-Z-ro - Yes, its a terrible debate.... 5 Good pages! 3 Not so good!

@ALL - if I may suggest, I was asked to re-read "The Sea of Energy in Which The Earth Floats"

It is really good, it resonates with the last 5 years of my work! Just the first few chapters! Its excellent!

@Picowatt - I am happy if you want to stay and learn if you leave the crap out of it?

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 22, 2015, 02:56:19 AM
Someone posted results, the setup is still on his bench,  let's debate that instead.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: picowatt on January 22, 2015, 03:19:55 AM
@Picowatt - I am happy if you want to stay and learn if you leave the crap out of it?


The proper use of a 'scope is not "crap".

Apparently it is you who does not wish to learn...

PW

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 03:22:02 AM
Someone posted results, the setup is still on his bench,  let's debate that instead.

@Alan,

yes exactly!!!

@ALL

I am going to ask for something.

Can anyone working on this, I ask you to please keep extra-ordinary results to themselves, please  ;)

The reason will become evident later on. Most will already know the reason why!

Please describe what you're seeing, any observations and or any improvements you've made and so on. But I ask you please to keep OU Results to yourself for a while.

Just until we get the ball rolling.

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 03:38:40 AM
Hi folks, Hi emjunkie, well just fired it up and i am using an led bulb to see if it can power things, it lights the led bulb well.
When i use a wire to short the partnered secondary coils, the amp draw lowers from 360 milliamps while powering led bulb down to 260 milliamps using 3.7 volt input.
My other setup did not do this when a dead short was applied across partnered coils.
So does this sound like the right behavior so far, emjunkie.
Here is a pic of it.
peace love light

@ALL,

SkyWatcher123 has done an excellent job of replicating my experiment! Start at the start, this is the perfect example!

Already SkyWatcher123 is seeing results that are fantastic!

This really is how simple it is!

Some basic Rules:
1: Check Turns Direction's, Phase on each Coil, making sure the phase's add to each other not cancel.
2: Try gapping the Core slightly after trying with no Gap first.
3: Check for any Coil Insulation issues where a short may occur.
4: Try rebuilding again with a fresh mind.
5: Check Frequency, try starting at about 400Hz and slowly move up or down!
6: Check One of the Partnered Output Coils for an Output
7: Ask for help! 

Remember there are 3 Configurations that work that I have found, but I have only covered two of them! I will cover the other configuration at a later stage.

Well Done SkyWatcher123! Nice work!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 22, 2015, 04:43:12 AM
I said that I was going to wait until some people started reporting results so I could comment but I can see that this thread is in serious trouble so I am going to make comments in order to hopefully get it on track.  I am going to be real with no gloss so please just deal with it.

Chris, if you don't show your build details, your measurement techniques, and your results, then it's highly unlikely that you are going to win over anyone so that they will be willing to replicate your project and effectively you will be killing this thread yourself.  Get your transformer out of your box, do the setup and fully document what you are doing on this thread with tabular results including all input and output waveforms and power calculations, and with one or more credible YouTube clips.  That is clearly what your your audience wants.  Your links are vague and very general and frankly in terms of helping people to do a successful replication, they suck.

Skywatcher123 is lighting an LED light bulb.  I am going to assume that it's an LED light bulb with the electronic guts still in it.  That is not the setup.  First of all, if it was an LED light bulb stripped of guts, then you should all know at this point that it's essentially impossible to measure the power going into an LED.   If the LED light bulb still has the electronic guts that are designed to convert 120 VAC into DC, then it's doubly impossible and basically nonsensical.  Skywatcher123 should take Chris's advice and get rid of the LED light bulb and start experimenting with different values of load resistor and a true-RMS multimeter.  The LED light bulb is nothing more than instant-gratification eye candy and should be completely ignored for this project.  Also, these comments from Skywatcher123, "the amp draw lowers from 360 milliamps while powering led bulb down to 260 milliamps using 3.7 volt input."  The input to this device is by definition an AC waveform, and from what he says in the quoted text it looks like he is talking about DC measurements.  So it would appear that something is not making sense.

TK and Picowatt are absolutely correct that you must use DC coupling on your scope.  Their knowledge and experience with with respect to electronics and power measurement far surpasses Chris' knowledge.  All of you, starting with Chris himself, would be fools to ignore their advice.

Chris's comments about keeping your results to yourself should be ignored if you have any common sense.  This is an open-source forum and that's the very reason you are here in the first place.

If there are people that intend to replicate, you actually should start talking about what you are going to do right now in this thread.  You absolutely have to be honest about your knowledge, experience, and skill level.  If you need help, don't be shy and ask for it - don't be a faker.  The most critical thing that you can talk about right now, before you even build it, is precisely how you intend to make your input and output power measurements.  That is what this entire thread is all about.  I'm pretty sure a lot of you will not know how to do it properly, and if you are lucky, people like TK and Picowatt may be willing to give you some solid advice and proper guidance.

From the way this project looks, the build itself is fairly trivial.  Therefore, this project is weighted 80% towards measurements and 20% on the build.

Like I said a few days ago, keep your eye on the ball.  Many people have posted semi-related links or alternative circuits and quite frankly that is counter-productive bullshit.  You know who you are.  Stick to the circuit as suggested by Chris and like I said, the most productive discussion that any of you can have right now before you do a build is how to do your measurements properly.

Do you guys want another RomeroUK farce?  I don't think you do.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on January 22, 2015, 05:32:03 AM
Hi folks, thanks for the kind words emjunkie.
The primary inducer is just a joule thief (blocking oscillator) at the moment.
The non-modified led bulb was just to see if any juice was coming out.
I disconnected the led bulb and placed a direct short across partnered coils and the amp draw lowers as stated.
That is all i can say for now about the way it is setup, which is different than any joule thief with secondary i have ever played with.
Go ahead and try it, make a regular joule thief with secondary and short the secondary, the amp draw will definitely increase.
My next approach at this, will be using the simple inverter circuit with two transistors to power the primary inducer, this will give an alternating ac type input.
peace love light
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: wistiti on January 22, 2015, 06:07:58 AM
Hi Sky and Em. I am waiting to recive my ferrite rod before i can try with the reed switch....
But until then i will try your way sky (joule thief primary) on a tv yoke. I am tinking to wind each partner secondary on is respective half of the yoke and then wound the bifilar primary over one partner coil(or one half yoke). Anyway,surely a good way to learn :)
Any advise are welcome!
Ps: sorry for the quite mesurement; im just equip with some dmm...
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on January 22, 2015, 06:22:12 AM
Hi wist, thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Just in case it's not clear, my setup as it is, is just like emjunkies original device, except for the bifilar of course.
In the image i posted, the coil on the far right is the bifilar and the coils on the left, are the partnered coils.
Just in case you were confusing this setup with my previous one using the ferrite bead cores.
peace love light
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: gotoluc on January 22, 2015, 06:54:18 AM
As TK has stated, it's not the 'scope, it's the operator.

You really should take the time to learn why your 'scope should've been DC coupled instead of arguing with and insulting those that are trying to teach you something very basic about using a 'scope.

When you do figure it out, you will realize how silly (and arrogant) you are being...

PW

Hi EMJunkie,

in the past I was also using my scope on AC coupling to measure AC circuits and DC coupling to measure DC circuits.
At one point I had an AC 90 degrees phase shift circuit which my scope was doing the Math for it and was calculating the power in to be zero or minus while I was dissipating power in a resistive load.
It took a while to find what caused this but the problem was found by .99 and it was AC coupling. I didn't want to believe it at first but once I used DC coupling all the OU calculations went away  :( ... sad but a true fact.

It was a hard lesson learned!... since I had many replicators working on the circuit which were doing the same error. So don't feel bad about learning this, as many are not aware of it.

So I'm afraid , TK, picowatt and MileHigh are all correct about this.

Kind regards

Luc
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 07:47:40 AM
@MileHigh,

I said that I was going to wait until some people started reporting results so I could comment but I can see that this thread is in serious trouble so I am going to make comments in order to hopefully get it on track.  I am going to be real with no gloss so please just deal with it.

Yes, some silly posts have been posted.

Chris, if you don't show your build details, your measurement techniques, and your results, then it's highly unlikely that you are going to win over anyone so that they will be willing to replicate your project and effectively you will be killing this thread yourself.  Get your transformer out of your box, do the setup and fully document what you are doing on this thread with tabular results including all input and output waveforms and power calculations, and with one or more credible YouTube clips.  That is clearly what your your audience wants.  Your links are vague and very general and frankly in terms of helping people to do a successful replication, they suck.

I have shown ALL Details regarding the Build! it cant be any simpler! Three Coils, one Core, Fit and go, drive input coil with any driver you wish to start with, H-Bridge, Power Amp, single Transistor/Fett - I have seen so many debates on Measurement Issues over the years. Debating over measurements when learning New Technology is really pointless. Learn the Technology first! Then later on, do the measurements.

That is, if one needs to! There are other proofs that I am not ready to start talking about.

Skywatcher123 is lighting an LED light bulb.  I am going to assume that it's an LED light bulb with the electronic guts still in it.  That is not the setup.  First of all, if it was an LED light bulb stripped of guts, then you should all know at this point that it's essentially impossible to measure the power going into an LED.   If the LED light bulb still has the electronic guts that are designed to convert 120 VAC into DC, then it's doubly impossible and basically nonsensical.  Skywatcher123 should take Chris's advice and get rid of the LED light bulb and start experimenting with different values of load resistor and a true-RMS multimeter.  The LED light bulb is nothing more than instant-gratification eye candy and should be completely ignored for this project.  Also, these comments from Skywatcher123, "the amp draw lowers from 360 milliamps while powering led bulb down to 260 milliamps using 3.7 volt input."  The input to this device is by definition an AC waveform, and from what he says in the quoted text it looks like he is talking about DC measurements.  So it would appear that something is not making sense.

Yes, I am sure SkyWatcher123 is already well aware of whats next! For someone that has just put the first experiment in this field down, he has done really well. Most everyone here surely already know by now that a Resistive load and nothing but is really important to do real testing.

SkyWatcher123 is using DC, single Fett or Transistor, driven like a Joule Thief configuration. Input is DC!

TK and Picowatt are absolutely correct that you must use DC coupling on your scope.  Their knowledge and experience with with respect to electronics and power measurement far surpasses Chris' knowledge.  All of you, starting with Chris himself, would be fools to ignore their advice.

I don't doubt for a single second that they are very switched on guys! I am very disheartened that they have come to a thread I started and started rambling about a topic that I have already decided not to discuss on this thread. Again, my measurements are not up for discussion on this thread!

If this thread WAS about the measurement of this device then I would be more than happy to discuss further their concerns.

I actually already know what they are talking about, problem is, I have already checked and it does not apply.... DC Offset = none! Change in the Wave does not occur from DC to AC like they were suggesting!

Chris's comments about keeping your results to yourself should be ignored if you have any common sense.  This is an open-source forum and that's the very reason you are here in the first place.

People are Free to do what they wish! I would like this thread to remain for Experiment only, not get tangled in debate on "Measurement" of a device that others have not even measured before and have no idea on how it works!

If people want to post their results that's fine, but I would like to get the ball rolling first before the whole thing turns to porridge like it is already starting to - for the very same reason I did not want to get into...

If there are people that intend to replicate, you actually should start talking about what you are going to do right now in this thread.  You absolutely have to be honest about your knowledge, experience, and skill level.  If you need help, don't be shy and ask for it - don't be a faker.  The most critical thing that you can talk about right now, before you even build it, is precisely how you intend to make your input and output power measurements.  That is what this entire thread is all about.  I'm pretty sure a lot of you will not know how to do it properly, and if you are lucky, people like TK and Picowatt may be willing to give you some solid advice and proper guidance.

Yes I agree - I have already made it clear, my electronics is OK, my Magnetic is much better! I don't know everything, and yes sometimes I don't get it all right. After 5 Years of work, I have something to share and I think it is really important! I am sure when others start experimenting on this Technology they will see it too!

From the way this project looks, the build itself is fairly trivial.  Therefore, this project is weighted 80% towards measurements and 20% on the build.

The Build is trivial, it really is, its easy - Understanding how and why it works is very much harder than many may imagine!

Like I said a few days ago, keep your eye on the ball.  Many people have posted semi-related links or alternative circuits and quite frankly that is counter-productive bullshit.  You know who you are.  Stick to the circuit as suggested by Chris and like I said, the most productive discussion that any of you can have right now before you do a build is how to do your measurements properly.

Do you guys want another RomeroUK farce?  I don't think you do.

MileHigh

MileHigh, I respect your post, thanks for your words of wisdom! But I am trying to do the best I can to get the technology in the minds of individuals. Without complications, with open minds to move forward. Trying to help people look in places not normally looked into. To also experiment very cheaply and Simply.

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 07:54:03 AM
But until then i will try your way sky (joule thief primary) on a tv yoke. I am tinking to wind each partner secondary on is respective half of the yoke and then wound the bifilar primary over one partner coil(or one half yoke).

Hey Wistiti,

Please NOT Bifilar, no such thing used in these devices!!!

All Coils are Single Filament Standard Wound Coils with only one difference, One of the Secondary Coils is wound in a different direction to the first! EG: Partnered output Coils

Please check my pdf as to why we should NOT be using the term!!!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 07:59:26 AM
Hi EMJunkie,

in the past I was also using my scope on AC coupling to measure AC circuits and DC coupling to measure DC circuits.
At one point I had an AC 90 degrees phase shift circuit which my scope was doing the Math for it and was calculating the power in to be zero or minus while I was dissipating power in a resistive load.
It took a while to find what caused this but the problem was found by .99 and it was AC coupling. I didn't want to believe it at first but once I used DC coupling all the OU calculations went away  :( ... sad but a true fact.

It was a hard lesson learned!... since I had many replicators working on the circuit which were doing the same error. So don't feel bad about learning this, as many are not aware of it.

So I'm afraid , TK, picowatt and MileHigh are all correct about this.

Kind regards

Luc

@Luc,

I hear you and agree, Measurement errors can easily occur!

Again, the device works if one follows the instructions I have given! TK and Picowatt came to this thread and went about the whole thing wrong!

This thread is NOT to discuss Measurements on this device! It is only for building and Discussion of the device! I made this clear at the start of the thread, Experiments and serious discussion only!

This Technology presents MUCH more to learn than just measurements!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 08:01:44 AM
But until then i will try your way sky (joule thief primary) on a tv yoke. I am tinking to wind each partner secondary on is respective half of the yoke and then wound the bifilar primary over one partner coil(or one half yoke).

Hey Guys,

If you don't mind, just so we don't confuse others, maybe we can call the other filament a Trigger Coil?

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 22, 2015, 08:30:01 AM
Quote from: EMjunkie
I actually already know what they are talking about, problem is, I have already checked and it does not apply.... DC Offset = none! Change in the Wave does not occur from DC to AC like they were suggesting!

Yes, it is clear from the single scope shot that you posted that your waveforms _of that device in that test_ are fairly symmetrical so that the "average" would not change much at that vertical scale between coupling modes. We'll just have to take your word for it that there isn't any DC offset. This does not mean that you are doing your measurements properly, just that you are lucky.

I wasn't even the first one to bring this issue up, you know. You have been told by at least 5 people (PIH123, MileHigh, picowatt, gotoluc, and me), _with references_, that you should be using DC coupling, and why. So hopefully since you "already know what they are talking about" you will do it correctly in the future, should you decide to discuss _measurements_ that might support your claims.

Now let's see if you understand the difference between a decoupling capacitor and the AC-coupling capacitor in the oscilloscope.

Quote from: EMjunkie
Everyone knows this capacitor is just a decoupling cap!

ORLY? Which "everyone" would that be? Is it usual practice to put a "decoupling cap" IN SERIES with a probe doing a measurement that will be used in a power computation? Let's see some references for that, if you don't mind. What is the difference between a high-pass filter and a decoupling capacitor?

I'm not discussing your _measurements_ here, EMJunkie. After all, you haven't provided many to discuss, just that one scope screen with partial information and the _claim_, unsupported, of COP 1.7 in your pdf. I'm discussing your demonstrated lack of knowledge about measurements, your oscilloscope, the functions of capacitors in circuits, your support of Bill Alek, and stuff like that.  When I see you posting stuff that I know is false, I'll speak up about it. In response to PIH123, who first brought up the issue (with a good outside reference), you responded,
Quote from: EMJunkie
It depends on the setup. If the Output is AC then AC is needed on the scope. Vice Versa...
And that's false, and it is misleading to others who might be trying to learn to use an oscilloscope properly. It's a profound _disservice_ to everybody to let stuff like that pass by.

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 09:59:03 AM
@TinselKoala - A fair bit more constructive than the last post. Lets see if we can get somewhere in the next few posts?

Yes, it is clear from the single scope shot that you posted that your waveforms _of that device in that test_ are fairly symmetrical so that the "average" would not change much at that vertical scale between coupling modes. We'll just have to take your word for it that there isn't any DC offset. This does not mean that you are doing your measurements properly, just that you are lucky.

Ok, I hear you, again, the display of the scope was not for the purpose of "Measurement" it was to show the wav forms and what people might expect in their devices depending on their setups.

I wasn't even the first one to bring this issue up, you know. You have been told by at least 5 people (PIH123, MileHigh, picowatt, gotoluc, and me), _with references_, that you should be using DC coupling, and why. So hopefully since you "already know what they are talking about" you will do it correctly in the future, should you decide to discuss _measurements_ that might support your claims.

I responded to PIH123 with the same shortness and abruptness - I am here trying to share something that is quite different, not bang dicks on measurements!

Now let's see if you understand the difference between a decoupling capacitor and the AC-coupling capacitor in the oscilloscope.

Is this a test? Why would you want to go here? Noise or transient protection or decoupling from part of the circuit vs Signal or Voltage (could be considered the same thing) to couple Circuits together....

ORLY? Which "everyone" would that be? Is it usual practice to put a "decoupling cap" IN SERIES with a probe doing a measurement that will be used in a power computation? Let's see some references for that, if you don't mind. What is the difference between a high-pass filter and a decoupling capacitor?

OK, I admit, I should have spend more time here, I was trying to get rid of this silly! Concentrate on the topic at hand!

I'm not discussing your _measurements_ here, EMJunkie. After all, you haven't provided many to discuss, just that one scope screen with partial information and the _claim_, unsupported, of COP 1.7 in your pdf.

TinselKoala, my claims and what we are doing here will end up in one result in the end. Either people will adopt this and work and move forward, or it will de-rail and end in a train wreak! I don't want it to, but unfortunately its going this way now.

If one is to claim something, its not up to others to outright destroy credibility's of others to try to publicly make a fool of, to shut down the claim. I have seen this so many times in this forum! Maybe simply agreeing to disagree could be enough?

I'm discussing your demonstrated lack of knowledge about measurements, your oscilloscope, the functions of capacitors in circuits, your support of Bill Alek, and stuff like that. 

1: You don't know what I know and don't know! How could you?
2: I never claimed to be an Expert in Electronics, I know enough to get by most of the time.
3: I know exactly what a Cap can do and cant in a circuit!
4: Bill and I have had communications before. I trust Bill, I know he would never mislead others. Besides I know the storey behind How Bill got onto this technology and where it actually came from! If I told you, you would not believe me!
5: I have researched this stuff for a long time! I believe I have something to share that is of value!

When I see you posting stuff that I know is false, I'll speak up about it. In response to PIH123, who first brought up the issue (with a good outside reference), you responded, And that's false, and it is misleading to others who might be trying to learn to use an oscilloscope properly.

Yes, I agree, if its wrong then please correct me as you have tried to here now. If I may give you some advice, maybe try to approach it a slightly different way?

On this, I was always taught to use the correct coupling, AC for AC and DC for DC, its just something I was always told. I believe this to be MOSTY true even now! I was taught by an Old School genius. I know that its not always correct to do so but mostly it is! After all, why else would scopes have both AC and DC Coupling?

I was told RMS Values can be incorrect if DC Coupling is used, Math Functions can be obscured, and also that there are other issues with trace triggering...

This is of course after any underlying issues can be eliminated first.

So please, if this is all rubbish please correct me and I will go back to who taught me and stick the stick in them!

It's a profound _disservice_ to everybody to let stuff like that pass by.

Look, TinselKoala, this line is what got my attention! I respect you for this line! I completely agree 100% If something is wrong we need to work together to correct it and we should not bicker and piss each other off! Banging Dicks is not constructive and really it will not get us anywhere.

So, TinselKoala, do you want to try to help us out here? Are you keen to try to help us get to critical mass?

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 10:01:46 AM
@ALL,

Please keep the voting in the poll going if you have not already!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 10:25:40 AM
@ALL

I was put onto a URL that has an interesting experiment on it. Since, I have looked at the channel and found there are more interesting Videos there!

Thanks Tibal!

Check out the Channel as well as the Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGmow-MGGQ

From my experience, this guy is right about some of it but not all. Worth watching to see what this guy thinks...

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 22, 2015, 11:45:11 AM
@ALL

I was put onto a URL that has an interesting experiment on it. Since, I have looked at the channel and found there are more interesting Videos there!

Thanks Tibal!

Check out the Channel as well as the Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJGmow-MGGQ

From my experience, this guy is right about some of it but not all. Worth watching to see what this guy thinks...

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Hi EmJunkie

Before a month when i have first read your pdf, i was curious about Stan's setup so in a very quick trial i tested this topology on a tv yoke core. The output indeed behaves like a spark gap. With an oscilloscope at the output without cell (cap), what i have got was a high dc voltage which was superimposed by a high frequency signal, oscillating at the edge of this dc voltage. Unfortunately i didn't continue this as i am in the middle of an other project, but it looked quite interesting for experimentation.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 22, 2015, 12:31:50 PM
 Guys,
 
We should help Chris in this endeavour. He is kindly and openly offering the findings of his work. Let´s be constructive. Let´s get rid off personal fights. I have been following Chris for the last months and he has compiled a lot of work about overunity devices. I have seen those bucking coils in many designs. Maybe it is the common denominator that we all are searching in all those designs. Just a link to see this point:
 http://pvb.pavlabor.net/SE/FreeEnergy_27.01.08/%D0%A1%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5/Energy%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80/magnetbeschleuniger.htm (http://pvb.pavlabor.net/SE/FreeEnergy_27.01.08/%D0%A1%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5/Energy%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80/magnetbeschleuniger.htm)
 
The first finding by skywalker that the pulsed DC amperage decrease when shortcircuiting the output is important enough to research this subject. I would like but I do not have an scope.
 
Kind regards
 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MarkE on January 22, 2015, 01:20:34 PM
Would not the first point of order be to establish that there is apparently over unity as observed using some reasonable measurement method?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: wistiti on January 22, 2015, 03:33:20 PM
Hi Em!
Dont worry; i know the triger coil is a single wire. But until i receive the part i have ordered an can make it the original way, i take what is lyng around to experiment with.
I just think the joulethief is an easy way to trigger a coil. But am aware it is a way over the frequency you say and probably the magnetism create by a bifilar is not what we look for... Maybe it's better to trigger a single wire coil with a transistor and a 555 chip... i have some on hand.
Anyway my apologize if i confuse people. just still experimenting.
Ciao!

Hey Wistiti,

Please NOT Bifilar, no such thing used in these devices!!!

All Coils are Single Filament Standard Wound Coils with only one difference, One of the Secondary Coils is wound in a different direction to the first! EG: Partnered output Coils

Please check my pdf as to why we should NOT be using the term!!!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 22, 2015, 06:07:41 PM
Is this one any good for starting out with, or can you recommend a better one on dx.com?

m.dx.com/p/DetailMore?sku=309714&tabIndex=2
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Kator01 on January 22, 2015, 06:56:42 PM
Hello,

let us have some closer look to the measurement in question here for the sake of cooling down misunderstandings and accompanying emotions.

What is allowed at point B ( no DC-component exists in bucking coils, as far as I can see it in the vid, thus AC-coupling) is not allowed at point A

Thus this measurement is comparing apples with peaches

.... and this comment of mine is not to be debated :-)

Regards

Kator01
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 08:33:42 PM
Guys,
 
We should help Chris in this endeavour. He is kindly and openly offering the findings of his work. Let´s be constructive. Let´s get rid off personal fights. I have been following Chris for the last months and he has compiled a lot of work about overunity devices. I have seen those bucking coils in many designs. Maybe it is the common denominator that we all are searching in all those designs. Just a link to see this point:
 http://pvb.pavlabor.net/SE/FreeEnergy_27.01.08/%D0%A1%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5/Energy%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80/magnetbeschleuniger.htm (http://pvb.pavlabor.net/SE/FreeEnergy_27.01.08/%D0%A1%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5/Energy%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80/magnetbeschleuniger.htm)
 
The first finding by skywalker that the pulsed DC amperage decrease when shortcircuiting the output is important enough to research this subject. I would like but I do not have an scope.
 
Kind regards

Hi Hanon,

Good Link Thanks!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 08:35:17 PM
Is this one any good for starting out with, or can you recommend a better one on dx.com?

m.dx.com/p/DetailMore?sku=309714&tabIndex=2

Hey Alan,

Yes, looks good!

Not a bad price too! 200Watts for 17$

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 08:38:45 PM
Would not the first point of order be to establish that there is apparently over unity as observed using some reasonable measurement method?

@MarkE,

I think this is very reasonable for most experiments! There is a lot to learn for such a simple experiment. Bucking Coils, or Partnered Output Coils, do a lot of things, little adjustments can change the whole operation.

When people are ready to start measuring they yes if you could layout some basic guidelines then this would be greatly appreciated!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 08:42:06 PM
Hello,

let us have some closer look to the measurement in question here for the sake of cooling down misunderstandings and accompanying emotions.

What is allowed at point B ( no DC-component exists in bucking coils, as far as I can see it in the vid, thus AC-coupling) is not allowed at point A

Thus this measurement is comparing apples with peaches

.... and this comment of mine is not to be debated :-)

Regards

Kator01


@Kator01

Thanks for your post!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: picowatt on January 22, 2015, 09:05:41 PM
Hello,

let us have some closer look to the measurement in question here for the sake of cooling down misunderstandings and accompanying emotions.

What is allowed at point B ( no DC-component exists in bucking coils, as far as I can see it in the vid, thus AC-coupling) is not allowed at point A

Thus this measurement is comparing apples with peaches

.... and this comment of mine is not to be debated :-)

Regards

Kator01

EMJunkie,

Regarding inaccuracies due to the improper use of AC coupling, it is not just about losing the DC component.  Waveforms which have any asymmetry will also drift above or below the zero V reference level and produce inaccurate results.  If your waveforms have no DC component AND they are very close to perfectly symmetrical above and below the 'scope's signal ground, the use of AC coupling will produce minimal errors.  However, until you fully understand this, it would be best to just stick with using DC coupling.

As far as debating any of your measurements, after reading this entire thread and looking at your videos and documents, I see no measurements to debate.  The video from which the scope shot appears to be from only tells us the input power was around 1 watt (assuming the DC supply displaying 5V @.2A is the only supply powering the device).  Output power cannot be determined from the video without knowing the bulb's (very non-linear) resistance during the test.  As Gotoluc suggested, using a fixed non-inductive resistor of a known value for the load would have given everyone some idea of the device's output power. 

If I have missed some input/output power measurements that support your claims would you please direct me to them?

Thanks,

PW   
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MarkE on January 22, 2015, 09:11:24 PM
@MarkE,

I think this is very reasonable for most experiments! There is a lot to learn for such a simple experiment. Bucking Coils, or Partnered Output Coils, do a lot of things, little adjustments can change the whole operation.

When people are ready to start measuring they yes if you could layout some basic guidelines then this would be greatly appreciated!

Kind Regards

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Are you saying that you have yet to measure the input and output average power levels?  I was under the impression that you were claiming 1.7X overunity.  Is that incorrect?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 22, 2015, 09:54:47 PM
Anyone has an explanation for the decrease in input power when the output is shorted? It does remind me of the bedini in which current decreases as rpm increases, but that isn't a free energy device.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on January 22, 2015, 09:58:50 PM
Hi folks, Hi wistiti, you could try this simple inverter circuit, i had my own drawn, can't find it and the other forum is down to recopy it.
This one is readable enough, you can adjust resistors to change frequency. There is another version that uses capacitors that is more adjustable.
I will be using this to drive the parallel wire (aka bifilar) primary inducer.
peace love light
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 10:15:01 PM
Are you saying that you have yet to measure the input and output average power levels?  I was under the impression that you were claiming 1.7X overunity.  Is that incorrect?

@MarkE,

NO - Yet again you have taken my words out of context. ANOTHER MarkE Assumption!

A Reminder, this thread is not to discuss "Measurements"!

I was merely suggesting if you wished to help later on, you would be welcome!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 10:22:13 PM
EMJunkie,

Regarding inaccuracies due to the improper use of AC coupling, it is not just about losing the DC component.  Waveforms which have any asymmetry will also drift above or below the zero V reference level and produce inaccurate results.  If your waveforms have no DC component AND they are very close to perfectly symmetrical above and below the 'scope's signal ground, the use of AC coupling will produce minimal errors.  However, until you fully understand this, it would be best to just stick with using DC coupling.

As far as debating any of your measurements, after reading this entire thread and looking at your videos and documents, I see no measurements to debate.  The video from which the scope shot appears to be from only tells us the input power was around 1 watt (assuming the DC supply displaying 5V @.2A is the only supply powering the device).  Output power cannot be determined from the video without knowing the bulb's (very non-linear) resistance during the test.  As Gotoluc suggested, using a fixed non-inductive resistor of a known value for the load would have given everyone some idea of the device's output power. 

If I have missed some input/output power measurements that support your claims would you please direct me to them?

Thanks,

PW

@Picowatt,

Ok, I am getting frustrated with your continual distraction!

If you're trying to help, this thread is the wrong place for the topic you're trying to impose on people - If you're deliberately distracting others here filling this thread with NON topic Piffle, I will have no choice to report you to moderators!

Please revise your attitude and get over your long lived love of anal pain!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 10:35:05 PM
Hi folks, Hi wistiti, you could try this simple inverter circuit, i had my own drawn, can't find it and the other forum is down to recopy it.
This one is readable enough, you can adjust resistors to change frequency. There is another version that uses capacitors that is more adjustable.
I will be using this to drive the parallel wire (aka bifilar) primary inducer.
peace love light

@SkyWatcher123,

Yes Sir! Another excellent example on how one can achieve a Driver!

A Cross Coupled Oscillator is also another way!

For those with Electronic Skills not at this level yet, don't fear! An Audio Amp or H-Bridge will do the trick! EBay or like Alan suggested www.dx.com

Items are really cheap today, 10 - 20$ will get you started! - Don't go spending a ton of money, there is no need to, keep it simple! Keep it Cheap!

Note: Ignore values in the attached schematic! You can change these to suit the desired frequency! Resistors may not be needed depending on the Fett's or Transistors used!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 22, 2015, 10:52:55 PM
Ok, I am getting frustrated with your continual distraction!

Please revise your attitude and get over your long lived love of anal pain!

Kind Regards

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@Chris: Initially I was interested in your idea (partnered output coils), but after carefully reading your posts in this thread and your web site and watching some of your videos, I can only find double talk and deliberate evasion concerning reliable input output measurements.

"This thread is not to discuss measurements" what a silly phrase, everything in OU is about measurements. Asserting a cop of 1.7 is no light matter. In case you can not support this claim with credible measurements (best with a third party verification), it is just silly talk.

And your aggressive reaction to questions concerning this apparent short coming is very unprofessional.

You will not find many people working along your ideas unless you change your attitude.

Who would want to wast time on a thing that has never been measured carefully and intelligently?

I have no problem with ideas which have not been measured carefully, but on should say so clearly and at the beginning of a discussion. And it looks really bad if the truth comes out only after a lengthy truth finding process with verbal aggression thrown in.

Why is it, that persons asserting OU never want to answer straight forward question and never want to do the obvious (namely present reliable measurements)?

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 11:16:08 PM
@Chris: Initially I was interested in your idea (partnered output coils), but after carefully reading your posts in this thread and your web site and watching some of your videos, I can only find double talk and deliberate evasion concerning reliable input output measurements.

"This thread is not to discuss measurements" what a silly phrase, everything in OU is about measurements. Asserting a cop of 1.7 is no light matter. In case you can not support this claim with credible measurements (best with a third party verification), it is just silly talk.

And your aggressive reaction to questions concerning this apparent short coming is very unprofessional.

You will not find many people working along your ideas unless you change your attitude.

Who would want to wast time on a thing that has never been measured carefully and intelligently?

I have no problem with ideas which have not been measured carefully, but on should say so clearly and at the beginning of a discussion. And it looks really bad if the truth comes out only after a lengthy truth finding process with verbal aggression thrown in.

Why is it, that persons asserting OU never want to answer straight forward question and never want to do the obvious (namely present reliable measurements)?

Greetings, Conrad

@conradelektro

I have noted your opinion.

If only people understood why I have evaded this ongoing Measurement issue!

I have built many devices that were not OU, it is only after an understanding of how this works, how to adjust for the best response, how to drive efficiently and a myriad of other things, that one can go to the next step!

So much impatience!

Feel free to move on and investigate other areas of research - I don't mind! It really is up to you!

No one should expect OU from their first device! Anyone that does, they are kidding themselves! Of course, it may happen at the same time if all I have shared has been followed!

I have given everyone the How is works, the Why it works, and also explained the concepts behind the achieving an excess in Extra Energy on the Output.

Its up to them what they do with it. One may be able to lead a Horse to Water but one can not make it drink!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 11:22:20 PM
@ALL,

It is really important that anyone experimenting on this technology understand How and Why this Technology Works! Really important!

For those sitting in the background, not building a device, you can not possibly understand this! Its only through working on this that an understanding can be achieved! It is however these people that make the most noise!

Don't set the Bar too high to begin with! Just make it work first!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: minnie on January 22, 2015, 11:41:27 PM



   I've been looking at this forum since 2005 and Conrad is dead right. Virtually all the claims made
have resulted from inaccurate measurements although several have been downright frauds.
   Much credit must be given to the scientists/engineers who have patiently advised less capable
experimenters with their projects, show them the respect they deserve.
   There is a wealth of pertinent information out there and no end of things can be done with paper
and pencil. Use your hard earned cash wisely.
                         John.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 22, 2015, 11:49:37 PM


   I've been looking at this forum since 2005 and Conrad is dead right. Virtually all the claims made
have resulted from inaccurate measurements although several have been downright frauds.
   Much credit must be given to the scientists/engineers who have patiently advised less capable
experimenters with their projects, show them the respect they deserve.
   There is a wealth of pertinent information out there and no end of things can be done with paper
and pencil. Use your hard earned cash wisely.
                         John.

Hi John,

I am not disagreeing with Conrad!

I am sharing what I have learned. There is a ton of supporting information. This is an avenue that will be worth perusing for the patient.

Forgetting about the claims just for a minute, there is a lot of other things to learn here that are nothing to do with the claims I have provided.

Now back to the claims, really what I have given is not anything to do with others! If they want to prove me wrong then get on the bench and work! You just never know what the end result may be!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 12:11:13 AM
Guys,
 
We should help Chris in this endeavour. He is kindly and openly offering the findings of his work. Let´s be constructive. Let´s get rid off personal fights. I have been following Chris for the last months and he has compiled a lot of work about overunity devices. I have seen those bucking coils in many designs. Maybe it is the common denominator that we all are searching in all those designs. Just a link to see this point:
 http://pvb.pavlabor.net/SE/FreeEnergy_27.01.08/%D0%A1%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5/Energy%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80/magnetbeschleuniger.htm (http://pvb.pavlabor.net/SE/FreeEnergy_27.01.08/%D0%A1%D1%85%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B5%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B5/Energy%20%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%86%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9%20%D0%BE%D0%B1%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%80/magnetbeschleuniger.htm)
 
The first finding by skywalker that the pulsed DC amperage decrease when shortcircuiting the output is important enough to research this subject. I would like but I do not have an scope.
 
Kind regards

@ALL,

I recommend to all following, to visit and skim through the Diagrams and sketches from the link that Hanon very kindly provided!

Google Translate can also translate if you want to have a read: Translated on Google! (https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpvb.pavlabor.net%2FSE%2FFreeEnergy_27.01.08%2F%25D0%25A1%25D1%2585%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BC%25D0%25BE%25D1%2582%25D0%25B5%25D1%2585%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B8%25D1%2587%25D0%25B5%25D1%2581%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B5%2FEnergy%2520%25D0%25BD%25D0%25B5%25D0%25BC%25D0%25B5%25D1%2586%25D0%25BA%25D0%25B8%25D0%25B9%2520%25D0%25BE%25D0%25B1%25D0%25B7%25D0%25BE%25D1%2580%2Fmagnetbeschleuniger.htm&edit-text=&act=url)

Thanks again Hanon!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 12:11:41 AM
Anyone has an explanation for the decrease in input power when the output is shorted? It does remind me of the bedini in which current decreases as rpm increases, but that isn't a free energy device.

@Alan,

Sorry, I missed your post. Found now  :)

Look this is a good point!

Paul Raymond Jensen - The UDT! This is the best example I have found! Read Here-->A Free Energy Device (http://www.hyiq.org/Research/Details?Name=A%20Free-Energy%20Device)

Bedini's G-Field Generator, same Tech maybe not configured the same but the ideas are the same!

Jim Murray, same thing. He can short his motors and what happens, motor speeds up and sometimes becomes uncontrollable!

Kromrey Converter, Same tech - not OU in my opinion simply because the input to drive the motor is too high. This said, some claim OU here!

What I am sharing is not new, its old, its not very well known to many!

An "understanding of this technology", being shared to people is new, this is what I am trying to do, since no-one else seems to be doing it!

Anyone has an explanation for the decrease in input power when the output is shorted?

Alan and others,

Why - The input is supported by the output - Magnetic Fields that is! Lenz's Law is reduced. The Input Coil has a Magnetic Field in the Reverse to the Partnered Output Coil that it is Exciting. The Opposing Partnered Output Coil Supports the Inputs Magnetic Field. So in terms of simple math: 1 - 1 + 1 = 1

Does this sort of make sense? The Magnetic Fields all work together to Self-Assist the operation of the Device!

"Sweet was also a transformer designer and expert, and he remarked that he had also observed specialized self-oscillation in certain transformers."

Ref:  Energy From The Vacuum by Tom Bearden

"On rare occasions, Sweet saw this effect, called self-oscillation, occur in electric transformers"   

Ref: http://merlib.org/node/5282


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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: picowatt on January 23, 2015, 01:12:06 AM
@Picowatt,

Ok, I am getting frustrated with your continual distraction!

If you're trying to help, this thread is the wrong place for the topic you're trying to impose on people - If you're deliberately distracting others here filling this thread with NON topic Piffle, I will have no choice to report you to moderators!

Please revise your attitude and get over your long lived love of anal pain!

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Please note that my post was in direct response to YOUR comments regarding your 'scope's connections and your apparent defense of using AC coupling.

Also, as you have not pointed me to where they can be found, should I assume that you have not yet provided any input/output measurements?

PW

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 23, 2015, 01:15:43 AM
This guy started a thread to present his ideas.

Some people have voiced their opposition...done !

Don't belabor the point...you have voiced your opinions...move on.

Yopu were politele asked to leave his thread.

Please do so, and let people be.

If it turns out he made an error, so what ? 

Its a very cheap build...he is asking for nothing.

The general excuse for hounding people like him, is to save us gullible oafs from sending money.

As this is not the case, and there is no money involved, the gentlemanly thing to do is to leave...as you were politely asked.

The wore that can happen is that we learn from the "mistake".

The best thing that can happen, is that it works...OR...someone makes an important discovery while stumbling around in the dark.

No one here is interested in yet another 'war of the words'.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 01:19:11 AM
This guy started a thread to present his ideas.

Some people have voiced their opposition...done !

Don't belabor the point...you have voiced your opinions...move on.

Yopu were politele asked to leave his thread.

Please do so, and let people be.

If it turns out he made an error, so what ? 

Its a very cheap build...he is asking for nothing.

The general excuse for hounding people like him, is to save us gullible oafs from sending money.

As this is not the case, and there is no money involved, the gentlemanly thing to do is to leave...as you were politely asked.

The wore that can happen is that we learn from the "mistake".

The best thing that can happen, is that it works...OR...someone makes an important discovery while stumbling around in the dark.

No one here is interested in yet another 'war of the words'.

Regards...

@Cap-Z-ro

Nicely Said!

Thank You!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 23, 2015, 01:23:14 AM
Essentially, nobody wants the cops around unless they are called.

As yet, there have been no calls for the measurement police.

They should leave as requested.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 01:33:16 AM
Essentially, nobody wants the cops around unless they are called.

As yet, there have been no calls for the measurement police.

They should leave as requested.

Regards...

Hahaha Agreed!

Or better yet, they should do the experiment and stop complaining!  ;)

Most all of these guys would have everything on hand!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 23, 2015, 01:50:42 AM
The problem is that Captain Zero is just another version of the police.

If you are living in a reality distortion zone of your own making, I suppose that you could say live and let live.

Beyond that, you have to decide what you live by.  For many people some things are just so fundamental that you can't let them go.  You go to the food store and when you buy a liter of milk, you expect there to be milk in the carton, not air.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 23, 2015, 01:55:32 AM
The problem is that Captain Zero is just another version of the police.

Hollow hypocritical words from a guest who won't leave when asked politely.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 23, 2015, 01:58:23 AM
Hollow hypocritical words from a guest who won't leave when asked politely.

Regards...

Police intimidation.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 23, 2015, 02:00:33 AM
Police intimidation.

Arrested development.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 23, 2015, 02:07:00 AM
Arrested development.

Well indeed.  Failure to exercise critical thinking and ask for proof of a claim amounts to arrested intellectual development.  The "bozo police" want to keep the population dumb and prevent them from asking questions in order to enforce the New World Disorder.  It's a conspiracy.  lol
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 02:12:23 AM
The problem is that Captain Zero is just another version of the police.

If you are living in a reality distortion zone of your own making, I suppose that you could say live and let live.

Beyond that, you have to decide what you live by.  For many people some things are just so fundamental that you can't let them go.  You go to the food store and when you buy a liter of milk, you expect there to be milk in the carton, not air.

@MileHigh,

I say, Assume Nothing, Take Nothing for Granted! Question everything! A distortion could be ones perspective and may vary from individual to individual! So Live and let Live is an analogy that we should all adopt!

Simple principals are all that's needed! Live by Simple Principals! Keep it Simple!

Thus, this is why I have made such a big point of "How A Generator Works" and "How Energy is Output on a Generators Terminals"!

T H Moray was absolutely right, Electricity is not Made, it is Pumped: "When the internal energy of the atom exceeds that of its normal state it is said to be excited. Excitations may be caused in several ways, among which is the collision of the atom with rapidly moving positive or negative particles, or as in the breaking of lines of force in the modern electromagnetic generator, which is nothing more than an electric pump, for the electric generator does not create the electrical energy any more than the water pump creates water. Kinetic energy is given up when excitation causes rapidly moving particles to give up some or all of their kinetic energy to the atom during collisions."

Energy is everywhere! All around us! Understanding of simple principals, not over complicating the arena, will move the Human Race forward.

Milk used to be bought in bottles, who now looks for Milk in a bottle? Milk is still Milk!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 23, 2015, 02:18:06 AM
Well indeed.  Failure to exercise critical thinking and ask for proof of a claim amounts to arrested intellectual development.


Agreed...failure to exercise critical thinking and leave when asked politely amounts to arrested intellectual development.


Quote
The "bozo police" want to keep the population dumb and prevent them from asking questions in order to enforce the New World Disorder.
 

The "measurement police" want to keep the population dumb and prevent them from asking questions in order to enforce the New World Odor.


Quote
It's a conspiracy.  lol

Freudian schlip ?

Regards...



Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 02:20:40 AM
Well indeed.  Failure to exercise critical thinking and ask for proof of a claim amounts to arrested intellectual development.  The "bozo police" want to keep the population dumb and prevent them from asking questions in order to enforce the New World Disorder.  It's a conspiracy.  lol

I disagree MileHigh,

Expectations are easily surpassed if one does not understand! This can be very dangerous! Do you expect a Comfortable Life? Do you Expect that your Government provide for your Retirement? Do you expect fuel to stay at a reasonable price at the bowser?

Why? What if Natural Disaster's wipe out the Oil Tankers - No Oil no fuel at the Bowser!

And so, to be over critical, because one expects a device not to work is just as dangerous! Expecting a device not to work because it is too simple, or because someone said it cant work, is surely worse than being critical in the first place!

Being overly Critical amounts to arrested intellectual development also! Instead for a worse reason!!!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 23, 2015, 05:20:03 AM
Chris:

Here is a clip that describes exactly how a generator works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwM32ArGxm4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwM32ArGxm4)

You see the thing about this clip is that anybody can do exactly the same experiment themselves and verify that what is being stated in this clip is true.  They can see it with their own eyes.  Isn't that supposed to count for something?

I think that your short explanation is "Charge Carriers are Separated by Magnetic Force, Positive to one Terminal, Negative to the other!"  There may be more information in one of your pdfs.

Can your explanation be verified on the bench?  I somehow doubt it.   One day perhaps you can look at the explanation in the linked clip above and do the bench test, and then do a bench test with what you consider to be the explanation and see which one is true.   I strongly encourage you or anyone interested to do this.  After all, that's what we are after right? - the truth.

I passed judgement on your partnered output coils test, but I still encourage people that are interested to do the bench tests on your proposed system.

My sentiments can be expressed by this musical interlude:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uyY13H41oE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uyY13H41oE)

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 23, 2015, 05:57:13 AM


Here is a clip that describes exactly how a generator works:


My sentiments can be expressed by this musical interlude:

MileHigh

If I were ever to stumble on to a significant discovery, and present it on here...for the duration of my thread this is one guy who would be on ignore.

Oy vey !

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 06:08:31 AM
Chris:

Here is a clip that describes exactly how a generator works:

Hey MileHigh,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwM32ArGxm4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwM32ArGxm4)

You see the thing about this clip is that anybody can do exactly the same experiment themselves and verify that what is being stated in this clip is true.  They can see it with their own eyes.  Isn't that supposed to count for something?

Yes I have seen this clip! It is incomplete, not a full description of what's going on!

He explains all of the principals that a Generator uses, which we already know! So How is it incomplete?
1: George I Cohen: http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/George%20I.%20Cohn%20-%20Electromagnetic%20Induction.pdf
2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kckxzBUxTHg - I explain The Lorentz Force.
3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3Enr6_d3yU - I show how the Lorentz Force Induces Charge Carrier Separation.
4: MOST Important of all: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcGWO_x8tpM

Lecture-28-Magnetic Energy - See from Minute: 4:45 - This is the most important video in this area I have ever seen!

I quote:

"I start with a loop, lets say it has a bulb, this loop as a hole is moving with a velocity v, and, lets say there is a magnetic field B. Now this Magnetic field is uniform. we you can see that this part of the loop v x B, is going to give me, a force in that direction, of positive charge q. This part of the circuit, the velocity's along the circuit, along the wire, so v x b is going to be in this direction. similarly velocity along the wire, v x b is going to be 90 degrees to the wire...."

I STRONGLY Urge everyone to take some time to watch this video! Please, it is VERY Important.

I have proven in my Video, its the Lorentz Force that is what Separates Charge!

I think that your short explanation is "Charge Carriers are Separated by Magnetic Force, Positive to one Terminal, Negative to the other!"  There may be more information in one of your pdfs.

Can your explanation be verified on the bench?  I somehow doubt it.   One day perhaps you can look at the explanation in the linked clip above and do the bench test, and then do a bench test with what you consider to be the explanation and see which one is true.   I strongly encourage you or anyone interested to do this.  After all, that's what we are after right? - the truth.

Yes Sir! I have videos to show that this is true! URL's above!

I passed judgement on your partnered output coils test, but I still encourage people that are interested to do the bench tests on your proposed system.

My sentiments can be expressed by this musical interlude:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uyY13H41oE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5uyY13H41oE)

MileHigh


Haha, MileHigh, great song! Unfortunately, Time is not on anyone's side. If we don't get this down very soon! Its going to be too late!

See: http://www.communityworks.info/hopi.htm

We now live in a World, that is trying to shake the flea's of its back. If we don't evolve, its going to be too late!

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P.S: One of my very good friends, has just replicated his own device and its also running OU! I ask him to also NOT share the OU Results, at least just for the moment! I really don't want to get bogged down in debating results, especially when others have not replicated the device! This puts the number of people I know with working running devices to: 4
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on January 23, 2015, 06:48:18 AM
Hi folks, I tried the simple flip flop circuit using two TIP3055's with 1kohm resistors.
The no load input was lower and not observing any lowering of current when loaded, it increases a bit, same when direct shorting partnered coils.
Tried all combinations of partnered coil connections.
i increased frequency by using 10 kohm resistors and still same behaviour.
Hmmm, maybe the flip flop is not the ideal driver or my setup needs tweaking.
peace love light
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 07:00:19 AM
Hi folks, I tried the simple flip flop circuit using two TIP3055's with 1kohm resistors.
The no load input was lower and not observing any lowering of current when loaded, it increases a bit, same when direct shorting partnered coils.
Tried all combinations of partnered coil connections.
i increased frequency by using 10 kohm resistors and still same behaviour.
Hmmm, maybe the flip flop is not the ideal driver or my setup needs tweaking.
peace love light

@SkyWatcher123,

Whats the input V and I? How many turns on the Input?

Input Coil Impedance should be sufficient as to produce enough Magnetic Field to start the tickle.

EDIT: The same is true for Partnered Output Coils, Impedance should be sufficient as to produce enough Magnetic Field to Work back on the input!

E.G: Lots of turns! 10 - 20 turns is not enough, more like around 200 or so on each partnered Output Coil (18-22 AWG)! maybe around 40- 60 or so on the Input, 32 AWG or similar. See my Video's to see how many turns I was using. Approx... This can change per device!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 09:45:34 AM
@ALL

Remember, this Technology is related to the Magnetic side of the whole spectrum (Lenz's Law component).

If Current is not Flowing and as a result the Magnetic Fields are not aloud to build, then this does not work!

It is easy to "Choke" off the effect. Tight Coupling "Chokes" off the effect! You have to let it Live! Its a Pump, Charge Carrier Pump!

It is a Living Beast, this sound's silly, but feel it working and you WILL succeed!

Kind Regards

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 23, 2015, 09:47:44 AM
Hi guys
On a tv Yoke i winded two partnered coils of 150 turns (approximately).
Input 12 turns, 24V/2A mosfet switching. At one side, the two halfs of the Yoke were insulated with tape. Trigger coil winded just over one of the two output coils.

When i shortcut the output, there is a small increment of the input current in the order of some 50-100mA. I guess that my partnered coils ended up with different overall turns in a degree that is enough to make this small increment.
I wonder if it will be any different reaction if i will take my output from an other 4th coil other than the partner coils. Will see. As i see it, to take out something useful, as EmJunkie said the partner coils have to add their E-fields. Or else the output will be a very low voltage one incapable for driving big loads.

EMJunkie what is your opinion if output is to be taken from the connection points of both the partnered coils? I mean, if partnered coils are not an open end ones, but instead to be connected between each other and taking the output from both connected ends?   

ps. interesting results sky watcher. Well done! At your arrangement, is trigger coil in the middle or at the side of your core?

Emjunkie just saw your advice about number of turns. I will re-wind my primary.. thanks
regards
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 23, 2015, 10:02:11 AM
Quote from: EMJunkie
P.S: One of my very good friends, has just replicated his own device and its also running OU! I ask him to also NOT share the OU Results, at least just for the moment! I really don't want to get bogged down in debating results, especially when others have not replicated the device! This puts the number of people I know with working running devices to: 4

More claims without the least trace of evidence. We've seen such claims before, and none of them have turned out to be true. The overwhelming probability is that these claims are also not true. Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG by showing proper data. You won't do it... because you cannot. Anyone who actually could, would be happy to do so on this OPEN SOURCE forum. 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 10:08:49 AM
Hi guys
On a tv Yoke i winded two partnered coils of 150 turns (approximately).
Input 12 turns, 24V/2A mosfet switching. At one side, the two halfs of the Yoke were insulated with tape. Trigger coil winded just over one of the two output coils.

When i shortcut the output, there is a small increment of the input current in the order of some 50-100mA. I guess that my partnered coils ended up with different overall turns in a degree that is enough to make this small increment.
I wonder if it will be any different reaction if i will take my output from an other 4th coil other than the partner coils. Will see. As i see it, to take out something useful, as EmJunkie said the partner coils have to add their E-fields. Or else the output will be a very low voltage one incapable for driving big loads.

EMJunkie what is your opinion if output is to be taken from the connection points of both the partnered coils? I mean, if partnered coils are not an open end ones, but instead to be connected between each other and taking the output from both connected ends?   

ps. interesting results sky watcher. Well done! At your arrangement, is trigger coil in the middle or at the side of your core?

regards

@Jeg,

Can you please post a quick Picture? Close up of the coils?

Try moving the Partnered Output Coil Inter-Connections - See Pic:

Where A connects to B - Other terminals are your output terminals.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 10:10:34 AM
More claims without the least trace of evidence. We've seen such claims before, and none of them have turned out to be true. The overwhelming probability is that these claims are also not true. Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG by showing proper data. You won't do it... because you cannot. Anyone who actually could, would be happy to do so on this OPEN SOURCE forum.

@TinselKoala,

Why would you respond like this?

Check your PM's

Hurry up about it, I don't have all night!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 23, 2015, 10:16:45 AM
More claims without the least trace of evidence. We've seen such claims before, and none of them have turned out to be true. The overwhelming probability is that these claims are also not true. Go ahead, PROVE ME WRONG by showing proper data. You won't do it... because you cannot. Anyone who actually could, would be happy to do so on this OPEN SOURCE forum.

Tinsel, i trust your judgment, but we have tried many times in the past to replicate claims of unknown people with the least support and help from their side. This time we have a fellow experimenter (EmJunkie) who is here between us, willing and trying to push us to a direction which he thinks is right. Even if we won't make it, at least we can say that we tried, without worying that we didn't follow exactly inventor's propositions as EMJunkie is here with us, correcting and indicating of our mistakes..
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 23, 2015, 10:26:36 AM
@Jeg,


Try moving the Partnered Output Coil Inter-Connections - See Pic:



Dear EmJunkie, do you mean to bring them closer or more far between each other?

i will post a pic in a few hours..
Tnks

ps. Ah i've got what you mean. I have made this inter connection change, and when i shortcuted the output my consumption climbed up to 6A!!! :D (If i didn't make a silly mistake as i was in a hurry there is a lot of difference in the consumption between the two connection modes..)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 10:41:22 AM
Dear EmJunkie, do you mean to bring them closer or more far between each other?

i will post a pic in a few hours..
Tnks

Hey Jeg,

Try that too, but not what I meant, I meant, try to connect the Wires from each Partnered Output Coil as per the Diagram, if it does not work one way, try the other!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 23, 2015, 10:44:34 AM
pls read again my above post as i added a ps before reading your answer
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 10:59:17 AM
Dear EmJunkie, do you mean to bring them closer or more far between each other?

i will post a pic in a few hours..
Tnks

ps. Ah i've got what you mean. I have made this inter connection change, and when i shortcuted the output my consumption climbed up to 6A!!! :D (If i didn't make a silly mistake as i was in a hurry there is a lot of difference in the consumption between the two connection modes..)


@Jeg and ALL

This is EXCELENT Jeg! You have bought up a Very good point!

I covered in my pdf document: http://www.hyiq.org/Downloads/Guidelines%20to%20Bucking%20Coils.pdf

"The point here is that Placement of coils is important, what a Coil sees as a result of its placement can change the entire operation of the device. Not only the placement but also the direction of turns is important if it is placed on the same core as the input coil. Turn Direction is the difference between a Dead Short in the device and not shorting the device and accessing another effect that some may not have seen before."

So, you've seen one of the issues that some will definitely face! I am very happy you have got there and can see what's going on! Youre seeing a Dead Short! This takes some thinking about.

Can you tell me why you're seeing this?

This is what we would normally see in a conventional Transformer!

Why? Think A Vector Potential!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 23, 2015, 11:38:02 AM

Can you tell me why you're seeing this?

This is what we would normally see in a conventional Transformer!

Why? Think A Vector Potential!
   

Ok. What happens here is already explained by you. There is no opposition from secondary side at the development of a magnetic field inside the core while feeding the primary. Each one of the two output coils opposes to a magnetic change of its opposite partner and so the magnetization of the core is freely and steady without dragging.
What i still can not visualize is to how this A vector is evolving in to our arrangement. And how it is possible to feed a load with an appropriate voltage the same time that there is almost no inductance at secondary side.

tnks     
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 11:52:44 AM
Ok. What happens here is already explained by you. There is no opposition from secondary side at the development of a magnetic field inside the core while feeding the primary.


Yes, true, I have been through this. Exactly! (Need to see your coils to verify!) Each Partnered Output Coil is seeing a Change in Time from the Input Coil, this change, A Vector Potential is sweeping over each Coil in Time! The Electric Fields of each Coil are present, this can be seen in the Dead Short!

The Problem: Each Partnered Output Coil is not configured so each Magnetic Field Cancel!


Each one of the two output coils opposes to a magnetic change of its opposite partner and so the magnetization of the core is freely and steady without dragging.
What i still can not visualize is to how this A vector is evolving in to our arrangement. And how it is possible to feed a load with an appropriate voltage the same time that there is almost no inductance at secondary side.

tnks     

I think I understand here, yes the Solution is for Magnetic Cancelation! Apply the right Hand Rule to each Coil, relative to the Core!

You should be able to short the Partnered Output Coils and see no shift in input Current due to this Magnetic Fields Cancelling!

Again, I quote Floyd Sweet:

"If the directions of the two signals are such that opposite H-fields cancel and E-fields add, an apparently steady E-field will be created. The energy density of the fields remain as calculated above, but the value of the E-field will double from E/2 to E. It is a simple matter using the equations E/H √ue and c = 1/√ue for a team wave to get rid of H and C and so convert the first equation into the well known equation for energy density in the so-called electrostatic field"

Please post a picture first! But it sounds like you need to remove one Coil and rewind in the opposite direction to the first. Or, alternatively, space the Core Material between the two Partnered Output Coils by around 1-2 millimetres or possibly a little more. EG: Gap the Core

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 12:15:05 PM
What i still can not visualize is to how this A vector is evolving in to our arrangement. And how it is possible to feed a load with an appropriate voltage the same time that there is almost no inductance at secondary side.   

@Jeg,

Lets start at the start, imagine 2 Coils, a Primary and a Secondary, standard Transformer type arrangement....

Input supply's Voltage and a Current to the Terminals of the Primary Coil.

A Load is applied to the Output (Secondary Coil)

The Load draws a Current from the already Separated Charge Carriers!

A Flowing Current constitutes a Magnetic Field!

The Secondary's Magnetic Field Vector (Arrow Direction) is in the opposite Direction to the Primary Magnetic Field!

IMPORTANT: This Magnetic Field is Still a Magnetic Field Changing in Time! It could be considered ANOTHER Primary Magnetic Field!

Now we introduce the second Coil in our Partnered Output Coils, this Secondary Coil will see the same change in time of the Magnetic Field (From the Secondary)

This also induces Charge Separation in this Coil, drawing Current from the already Separated Charge Carriers will again constitute a Magnetic Field that will oppose the Secondary, but will re-in-force the Primary!

Please watch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z-V1z2TdQJA

This video shows the above description, but also shows animations at the same time!

Sorry, am a bit tired, been a long day. Hope this makes sense!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 23, 2015, 01:16:16 PM
Both secondaries can be seen as each others primary. But, doesn't the 2nd secondary see the magnetic field of the primary in addition to the one of other secondary, cancelling the charge separation?  This confuses me.

I'm planning to use an old stand alone  cd player with audio input for signal,  to power  the coil via speaker output, should I watch out for something?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 01:23:25 PM
Both secondaries can be seen as each others primary. But, doesn't the 2nd secondary see the magnetic field of the primary in addition to the one of other secondary, cancelling the charge separation?  This confuses me.

I'm planning to use an old stand alone  cd player with audio input for signal,  to power  the coil via speaker output, should I watch out for something?


@Alan,

Yes Sir, this takes some understanding like I have said! It's not easy to grasp! It takes a little time!

This is why it is So important to Experiment! Feel the device and feel what it likes and doesn't like!

Don't allow it to be Choked Off! This is the biggest problem!

To answer your question: Loose Coupling! This is why its important! Also, one will re-in-force the Primary, one will oppose!

Give it a try, it should do at least something!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 23, 2015, 02:09:15 PM
@EMJunkie:

I have enough material cluttering my house to try your partnered coil idea. Thinking about a test set up some question come to my mind.


core:


1) Is it better to use a simple Ferrite rod (e.g. 6 mm diameter, length 60 mm) or rather a core from a TV fly back transformer? I also have various transformer cores (consisting of two parts, like two U-shapes or two E-shapes)? Or a steel core (steel bolt or softer nail)?


number of turns for the windings (see attached drawing taken from your Video):


2) Is the number of turns specified in the attached drawing reasonable? (If not, please suggest a useful number of turns.)


placement of the input coil (green wire in the attached drawing):


3) Is the primary (green) wound over just one of the partnered coils or over both?

4) The partnered coils are wound directly over the core and the primary is wound on top?


input signal:


5) In your video you seem to have some sort of square wave as input (to the green coil = primary). Could it alternatively be a sine wave signal from an audio amplifier?

6) Is it better to use a square wave signal or a sine wave signal (pure AC) as input?


frequency of the input signal:


7) The frequency of the input signal must some how depend on the core material. In your tests, in what frequency range was the input signal (e.g. 50 Hz to 30.000 Hz)? Must the frequency of the input cycle be varied to find an optimum output?

8: If it was a square wave signal, is a 50% duty cycle o.k., or should the duty cycle be varied to find an optimum output?


what to do with the output:

9) The partnered output coils are connected in series as in the attached drawing?

10) Is it o.k. to shorten the partnered coils (which are connected in series) with a shunt (e.g. 1 Ohm or 10 Ohm or 100 Ohm) in order to measure output with a scope probe over the shunt?


Chris, you could copy and paste my questions and just add a short comment to each (most of them need only a Yes or No or a few words). I know it is a lot to ask, sorry.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 23, 2015, 03:35:25 PM
Both secondaries can be seen as each others primary. But, doesn't the 2nd secondary see the magnetic field of the primary in addition to the one of other secondary, cancelling the charge separation?  This confuses me.


Exactly this is my main concern. I wrote post #32 with a totally simetrical setup which could get rid of that problem. That setup was based on Clemente Figuera patents.

I guess that by now just want us to test the simpler device and avoid going into modifications without testing the basic scheme.

Regards
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 23, 2015, 05:43:54 PM
I had it ready from other project and I intent to change it with E and I laminations connected the way Jensen describes. Also Jensen uses a feedback coil connected as Meyer's one, but with no diode.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on January 23, 2015, 05:57:02 PM
Hi folks, Hi jeg, my primary inducer is on the right, it is two 24awg. magnet wires, wired in parallel (aka bifilar), there is at least 100 turns per wire.
Each partnered secondary coil has around 200 turns of 24awg. magnet wire.
Thanks for your continued help chris/emjunkie, i think i am starting to comprehend this more.
One of the partnered coils is like sticking two permanent magnets in attraction mode, reinforcing primary, due to what's induced in the other partnered coil.

My flip flop circuit, ac type input, is only drawing no load, 50 milliamps with this 24awg. input coil setup at 3.7 volt input and with double that voltage 7.4 volts, the no load input only climbs to 60 milliamps.
So i think the duty cycle isn't high enough, it may be being choked off as you are saying.
I'll have to think about what to change to get more through put and still maintain good frequency, maybe a flip flop with capacitors as you've shown.
peace love light
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 23, 2015, 07:22:12 PM
Thanks sky watcher :)
Today I made a more proper testing on this device. First of all yesterday when I first tried it, a horrible ringing noise from yoke side, was making system behaving very unstable. Today for some unexplained reason this noise stopped and I managed  to see some things that I describe to the testing video that I will attach later on. At the output i take only voltage and no current at all. The waveform that you will see is about 1Kv pk-pk!!! Only voltage! I wonder how we can turn it in a useful energy. I will try to tune the output with the appropriate capacitor to see if any current will appear at the output! Indeed the output gives a clear voltage as Floyd describes...
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 23, 2015, 07:58:32 PM
This is the first testing video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNQT63CiPgI&feature=youtu.be

Regards
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 23, 2015, 08:26:21 PM
Hi Guys, I just want to ask you.  The primary should be above one half of the partner coil ,right? The question is - does it makes any difference which way is the primary wound (same or opposite to the coil below)??  In mine setup I have  the primary in the same direction.  One more question- is it transformer ratio sensitive?  I mean for example if you go over some ratio like 1:10 will it kill the effect?

In my setup I have small bulb on my partnered coil to establish current flow. I have no light on it. I have measured more than 0.5A in that loop and from the battery it takes around 0.4A.  On the central tap I have high voltage and if I connect there a bulb 220V 25W with right  length of the wire on the other side of the bulb (to match impedance)  I have a light. But that small bulb (12V) on the partnered loop shows absolutely nothing. Why?

I have it as a air core and feed is from SG + mosfet IRFP460 and battery 24V.

Jeg:  Have you tried also to make a gap between the yoke's halfs (with some paper)? ;)

 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 23, 2015, 08:54:30 PM
Hi John
Nice idea for experimentation. Your bulb doesn't light because there is no current inside the partner loop. Pure voltage only. Can you try a cap between your bulb and your output coil ends? I have no time today to test it but looks logical. 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 23, 2015, 08:59:08 PM
Keep rereading the pdf, it will increase your understanding, at least for me.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on January 23, 2015, 09:12:34 PM
Hi folks, Hi jeg, try putting your blue primary coil in between the partner coils, not on top of them and see what you get.
That is how mine is essentially and since you are using DC pulsing, you might see output and a lowering of current when loaded, maybe, at least that's what mine does.
Then again, mine is driven with a trigger wire, so that is different to yours.
peace love light
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 09:15:45 PM
@EMJunkie:

I have enough material cluttering my house to try your partnered coil idea. Thinking about a test set up some question come to my mind.


core:


1) Is it better to use a simple Ferrite rod (e.g. 6 mm diameter, length 60 mm) or rather a core from a TV fly back transformer? I also have various transformer cores (consisting of two parts, like two U-shapes or two E-shapes)? Or a steel core (steel bolt or softer nail)?

No limits really! I prefer to use a Closed Core, E.G: C Cores but that just my preference for this type device.



number of turns for the windings (see attached drawing taken from your Video):


Yes good start! 40-60 AWG 32 or around there for input, 200 or so turns of AWG 18-22 or so on the output. Approx!

This may change depending on the core. Coercivitity and all those things...

2) Is the number of turns specified in the attached drawing reasonable? (If not, please suggest a useful number of turns.)

Again yes good to start around here.


placement of the input coil (green wire in the attached drawing):


It can be anywhere you like, I have drawn like this to show, that, its best to couple to one coil more than the other.

3) Is the primary (green) wound over just one of the partnered coils or over both?

same as above, above, underneath or to one side of the coil. Try to fine the best results for you.

4) The partnered coils are wound directly over the core and the primary is wound on top?

again, same as above...


input signal:


Input? Sine or square!

5) In your video you seem to have some sort of square wave as input (to the green coil = primary). Could it alternatively be a sine wave signal from an audio amplifier?

yes, drive as you wish.

6) Is it better to use a square wave signal or a sine wave signal (pure AC) as input?

I like a sine wave for this configuration. But any will start you off.


frequency of the input signal:


You need to find the best frequency. Most of my devices have been good at around 50Hz to 5KHz but my friends runs at 33KHz

7) The frequency of the input signal must some how depend on the core material. In your tests, in what frequency range was the input signal (e.g. 50 Hz to 30.000 Hz)? Must the frequency of the input cycle be varied to find an optimum output?

see above

8: If it was a square wave signal, is a 50% duty cycle o.k., or should the duty cycle be varied to find an optimum output?

yes start with 50% dc then work from there. 50% dc will likely be the best for many devices


what to do with the output:


Resistive Loads! Always! Stay away from all others for the moment! Wire wound Resistors can be problematic also!

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9) The partnered output coils are connected in series as in the attached drawing?

yes, you can change later if you wish. Aim to get going first!

10) Is it o.k. to shorten the partnered coils (which are connected in series) with a shunt (e.g. 1 Ohm or 10 Ohm or 100 Ohm) in order to measure output with a scope probe over the shunt?

do what you wish.


Chris, you could copy and paste my questions and just add a short comment to each (most of them need only a Yes or No or a few words). I know it is a lot to ask, sorry.

Ok?

Greetings, Conrad

Happy to see you're back with us Conrad!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 09:20:32 PM
Exactly this is my main concern. I wrote post #32 with a totally simetrical setup which could get rid of that problem. That setup was based on Clemente Figuera patents.

I guess that by now just want us to test the simpler device and avoid going into modifications without testing the basic scheme.

Regards

Hey Hanon,

Yes youre right, this is something to keep an eye on!

I have really tried to give the absolute most basic inception of this Technology! It can be improved!

I really don't recommend to go improving it until an understanding on how it works first.

Really important to just understand it first!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 09:50:22 PM
http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/dlattach/attach/146361/image// (http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/dlattach/attach/146361/image//)

These two are not the same, only one should be considered at all, when you know what you are looking at, the one you want sticks out like a sore thumb.  The other should be discarded because it has absolutely no relation to that which is desired.  In my opinion and experience the idea which is being expressed is that we want to reproduce the conditions found between turns, between coils. 

I have read all you offer Chris, lots of good info.  Like you I'm not interested in the measurements, more in whats happening and why.  My work in this are has led me to conclude that we have two types of magnetic interactions.  Namely the interactions found between turns, and the interactions which take place outside the turns.  You want folks to see what you see, good luck with that, folks have to be able to see it for themselves.  All have been exposed to this from the beginning, hell generator action itself is repeating this condition, and yet, all are oblivious to its significance, its deeper meaning.  Anyway, keep doing what you're doing, if one listens, really listens and gets what you are saying you were successful. 

Things get really exiting when you change your perspective, you find hope in a hopeless situation. 


Regards

@Erfinder and ALL

Yes Sir! This man knows what he is talking about!

What a breath of Fresh Air!

Yes, there is a "Preferred" configuration! Its in 3D, in all my animations. The other should be dropped because it is not really the same. Although it can show results, its not the same!

Agreed, Magnetic Interactions, there are two at least!

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You want folks to see what you see, good luck with that, folks have to be able to see it for themselves.

I really want the world to become what it should be, not what its been limited to! Human Species can do SO much better than where we are at the moment!

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All have been exposed to this from the beginning, hell generator action itself is repeating this condition, and yet, all are oblivious to its significance, its deeper meaning.

Exactly! The poll is showing some good results so far. Some really like the Gremlin entry  ;)

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Things get really exiting when you change your perspective, you find hope in a hopeless situation.

Yes Sir! Exciting, New Hope, a real positive future opens up where there was none before!

People must move forward and evolve of the end will be nigh.

Thank You Erfinder for Posting! I needed to see a post like this!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 09:56:15 PM
I had it ready from other project and I intent to change it with E and I laminations connected the way Jensen describes. Also Jensen uses a feedback coil connected as Meyer's one, but with no diode.

Jeg,

This may work, but check the turn direction on one of the coils! Best to have one reversed to the other! From what I can see, both coils are wound in the same direction!

Take the Blue input Coil off and wind a 40 turn 32 or similar awg coil as shown:

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 10:05:06 PM
Hi folks, Hi jeg, my primary inducer is on the right, it is two 24awg. magnet wires, wired in parallel (aka bifilar), there is at least 100 turns per wire.
Each partnered secondary coil has around 200 turns of 24awg. magnet wire.
Thanks for your continued help chris/emjunkie, i think i am starting to comprehend this more.
One of the partnered coils is like sticking two permanent magnets in attraction mode, reinforcing primary, due to what's induced in the other partnered coil.

My flip flop circuit, ac type input, is only drawing no load, 50 milliamps with this 24awg. input coil setup at 3.7 volt input and with double that voltage 7.4 volts, the no load input only climbs to 60 milliamps.
So i think the duty cycle isn't high enough, it may be being choked off as you are saying.
I'll have to think about what to change to get more through put and still maintain good frequency, maybe a flip flop with capacitors as you've shown.
peace love light

@SkyWatcher123

Youre on your way SkyWatcher123! Nice Work!

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My flip flop circuit, ac type input, is only drawing no load, 50 milliamps with this 24awg. input coil setup at 3.7 volt input and with double that voltage 7.4 volts, the no load input only climbs to 60 milliamps.

This may be enough, I would however try to get the V up to say 10 or 12 - Exciting Magnetic Field must be sufficient to get all moving.

If you don't mind me saying, maybe move to a small Power Amp, just for a little while. I have found its really easy to get stuck on things and it can stall the progress.

With a small Amp, you can adjust a lot with the twist of screwdriver, Amplitude and so on! Just drive with small Function Gen.

Just a suggestion.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 10:11:19 PM
This is the first testing video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNQT63CiPgI&feature=youtu.be

Regards

Good Work Jeg, comment posted on your video!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 10:34:03 PM
Hi Guys, I just want to ask you.  The primary should be above one half of the partner coil ,right? The question is - does it makes any difference which way is the primary wound (same or opposite to the coil below)??  In mine setup I have  the primary in the same direction. 

Not important on the exact position of the input Coil. What is important is that is couples to one coil more than the other!

One more question- is it transformer ratio sensitive?  I mean for example if you go over some ratio like 1:10 will it kill the effect?

Not really, it will change the operational Characteristics of the device but will still be there. This area I am still learning! I don't have all the answers yet.

In my setup I have small bulb on my partnered coil to establish current flow. I have no light on it. I have measured more than 0.5A in that loop and from the battery it takes around 0.4A.  On the central tap I have high voltage and if I connect there a bulb 220V 25W with right  length of the wire on the other side of the bulb (to match impedance)  I have a light. But that small bulb (12V) on the partnered loop shows absolutely nothing. Why?


Check the Voltage Polarity's on each coil, make sure each one is not Voltage Cancelling! Run through the list of checks I have provided:


Some basic Rules:
1: Check Turns Direction's, Phase on each Coil, making sure the phase's add to each other not cancel.
2: Try gapping the Core slightly after trying with no Gap first.
3: Check for any Coil Insulation issues where a short may occur.
4: Try rebuilding again with a fresh mind.
5: Check Frequency, try starting at about 400Hz and slowly move up or down!
6: Check One of the Partnered Output Coils for an Output
7: Ask for help! 

Remember there are 3 Configurations that work that I have found, but I have only covered two of them! I will cover the other configuration at a later stage.




I have it as a air core and feed is from SG + mosfet IRFP460 and battery 24V.


Please Note: I have not had any luck with Air Cores! I don't believe Air Cores Work but please, I may be wrong, keep trying!

Any excitation to get the charges flowing is enough, some are better than others. I prefer Sine Wave but all works. Toa point!


Jeg:  Have you tried also to make a gap between the yoke's halfs (with some paper)? ;)

Nice Suggestion John!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 10:38:13 PM
Keep rereading the pdf, it will increase your understanding, at least for me.

@Alan,

Thank You! Yes Sir this is exactly why I spent weeks getting it together!

I have also done a Video for those time depleted: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSadMqEnO7I

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: jbignes5 on January 23, 2015, 10:51:28 PM



 So did my post get any response? EMJunkie? Or did all the flim flam from these "Police" get you so sidetracked that you missed the very source to the technology you are describing?


 It is very important that you understand that this has been replicated successfully by Tariel Kapanadze. At least he admitted who it came from and LEARNED how to use it for real power applications. You are trying to reinvent the wheel when the wheel is taking you down the road. Tesla is the teacher and we should all listen and replicate the technology that was suppressed from the beginning. Find my posts and read everything I linked to. Yes Tesla was just delving into this new phenomena but I suggest he knew more than we could ever imagine.


 Don't let the measurement police get to you. In all budding technologies there is an exploration period. In that period there is little by way of power statements because as you have eluded we need to understand the event before we try to explain the output vs the input. In fact if we look we are converting one form of energy into another by our "Transformation" as you have noted. The first form of energy is rarely noted to be useful but without it no energy could exist. Let me explain:


 Potentials and a gradient of potential is what we are looking at. If there is no potential difference there is nothing. But creating a difference like a slope will enable that potential difference to act. That act is called Energy or the flow of energy. Magnetics is a result of the potential difference in motion. Magnetics also is very wasteful. So in order to get this to work properly you need to contain the magnetic to purify the electric field and free it. The electric field is the sole entity responsible for generation from a moving rotor and not the magnetic. The magnetic field is the reason for Lenz's Law. The MF is also the sole reason there is no perfect generator yet. Tesla liked to call his special generators Revolving Transformers. Now why is that?


 You ever wondered why Tesla won over DC? Because he could raise the potential so high that literally no current could be lost in the transmission over 1000's of miles. Even if the system radiated a high electric field the amount of current lost in that transmission over those 1000's of miles would be moot. It works, plain and simple. <-Hint


 JBignes5
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 11:05:16 PM
@ALL,

This is a little off topic, but relates. I will try to be brief!

About three years ago I got the Vacuum Cleaner out to do some Vacuuming around the house. (Yes I do it regularly  ;))

I plugged it in, went to turn it on, and POP! I thought this was very strange!

Pulled the Cleaner down and tried to find what was going on. I found that one of the Field Coils had blown itself to bits, approximately 1 cm of wire gone. Minimal Burn Marks!

The Rotor was stuck in one position, it could move but not freely like normal!

With my work I was doing (Related topic) I could only come to one conclusion why this happened.

I believe that the same situation as we are looking at right now had presented itself in the Motor! Magnetic Field's Build, some in opposition, and because the Rotor was stuck, we got Max Fields!

On collapsing with the sine of the mains I believe this Magnetic field went to Max Current and as a result the wire could not handle this huge current and it blew to bits.

I have of course assumed that this was the situation! I have no proof that this is what happened.

So, the point of me posting this, is that we need to Maximise the Magnetic Field Interactions! Get the highest Magnetic Fields in the device that are possible.

Hope this helps!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 11:16:35 PM
Hi JBigness5

Missed Sorry!  :)

Again this is nothing new.

Yes, I know, I have stated this in my pdf document - The big difference is I am trying to make people publicly aware! No-one else has done this before.


 http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1891-05-20.htm


 Figure 113 is the method you are talking about.


 The text I believe has been altered to deter the meaning of this setup.


This would not surprise me at all!



 "The above described arrangements refer only to the use of commercial coils as ordinarily constructed.  If it is desired to construct a coil for the express purpose of performing with it such experiments as I have described, or, generally, rendering it capable of withstanding the greatest possible difference of potential, then a construction as indicated in Fig. 17 / 113 will be found of advantage.  The coil in this case is formed of two independent parts which are wound oppositely, the connection between both being made near the primary.  The potential in the middle being zero, there is not much tendency to jump to the primary and not much insulation is required.  In some cases the middle point may, however, be connected to the primary or to the ground.  In such a coil the places of greatest difference of potential are far apart and the coil is capable of withstanding an enormous strain.  The two parts may be movable so as to allow a slight adjustment of the capacity effect."

 Another reference to this design is also a Tesla creation:

 http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm

 Figure 3 is also this design slightly changed for very high voltage use.


I can only say here that others should not limit them selves. My devices work at lower Frequencies and lower voltages - We don't want to over do it and do any damage!


 If you read the whole document you will see it is mostly about very high frequencies and very high voltages. Their separation and use after the separation. Figure 17 shows a one terminal Motor and how to use it with this type of system of very high frequency oscillations which was proven by Kapanadze in his video's as well.  Shown here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVUN3GsekKQ


 JBignes5

Yes, Kapanadze could be considered to also use this technology!

I suggest to people, start small, don't get tied up with huge expectations! Light a Light first! then move on from there!

JBigness5, youre right, Tesla had and knew about this Tech! Many hundreds of others have also known!

It takes some understanding and some experimentation to move forward, like I said, don't expect the first device to work. It could one of ten that may work! If all follow my guidelines then it will make the whole thing SO much easier however!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 11:26:54 PM
@JBignes5,



 So did my post get any response? EMJunkie? Or did all the flim flam from these "Police" get you so sidetracked that you missed the very source to the technology you are describing?

Yes, I am sorry!  :)

It is very important that you understand that this has been replicated successfully by Tariel Kapanadze. At least he admitted who it came from and LEARNED how to use it for real power applications. You are trying to reinvent the wheel when the wheel is taking you down the road. Tesla is the teacher and we should all listen and replicate the technology that was suppressed from the beginning. Find my posts and read everything I linked to. Yes Tesla was just delving into this new phenomena but I suggest he knew more than we could ever imagine.


Kapanadze is just one implementation of this tech, there are many! See my pdf for a small list, by no means complete! 


 Don't let the measurement police get to you. In all budding technologies there is an exploration period. In that period there is little by way of power statements because as you have eluded we need to understand the event before we try to explain the output vs the input. In fact if we look we are converting one form of energy into another by our "Transformation" as you have noted. The first form of energy is rarely noted to be useful but without it no energy could exist.


I have tried to stay away from this area, to try not to confuse people. Energy is still Energy, weather it is Tom Beardenized or not, if you don't mind my terminology. It come slightly different because of the conditions, I cover this in my pdf also.


Let me explain:
 Potentials and a gradient of potential is what we are looking at. If there is no potential difference there is nothing. But creating a difference like a slope will enable that potential difference to act. That act is called Energy or the flow of energy. Magnetics is a result of the potential difference in motion. Magnetics also is very wasteful. So in order to get this to work properly you need to contain the magnetic to purify the electric field and free it. The electric field is the sole entity responsible for generation from a moving rotor and not the magnetic. The magnetic field is the reason for Lenz's Law. The MF is also the sole reason there is no perfect generator yet. Tesla liked to call his special generators Revolving Transformers. Now why is that?

Hahaha, yes Sir, you're exactly Right!


 You ever wondered why Tesla won over DC? Because he could raise the potential so high that literally no current could be lost in the transmission over 1000's of miles. Even if the system radiated a high electric field the amount of current lost in that transmission over those 1000's of miles would be moot. It works, plain and simple. <-Hint


 JBignes5

AC is superior to DC, always will be. DC still has its uses of course.

AC is Natures Wave, everything in Nature has an AC Wave component to it! Tides, Light......

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 23, 2015, 11:32:35 PM
Hi EMJunkey, I just wonder how big role here plays the core. You  said you have no luck with air core? Why?  The principle should be still the same. Generation of two opposing magnetic fields. Unless you need some sort of medium for accumulation and time propagation of the magnetic field. Take a look at the pages of Steorn ( may be you remember their free energy device-motor, the device was also shown publicly and now for many years quiet. On their pages you can download some interesting pages ;)  http://www.steorn.com/orbo/papers/

Good luck
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 11:35:30 PM
@ALL,

I want to thank all here! We can pickup the Bat and Ball and do something good for humanity! We can all Work together!

Its all looking really positive again! Soon it will be time to Pay it Forward!

Thank You All!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 23, 2015, 11:45:16 PM
Hi EMJunkey, I just wonder how big role here plays the core. You  said you have no luck with air core? Why?  The principle should be still the same. Generation of two opposing magnetic fields. Unless you need some sort of medium for accumulation and time propagation of the magnetic field. Take a look at the pages of Steorn ( may be you remember their free energy device-motor, the device was also shown publicly and now for many years quiet. On their pages you can download some interesting pages ;)  http://www.steorn.com/orbo/papers/

Good luck

Hi John.K1,

I believe the reason is the over all concentration of the individualised Magnetic Fields.

Yes youre right, time delays, allowing Fields to build, the whole lot...

In saying this, Lenz's Law is supposed to be Time Reversed to its Source according to Tom Bearden, I will be honest, I don't know about this!

Steorn was a shame! Its hard to stay on track, especially when many are out to shut it all down and criticise with no evidence to the contrary! I sort of understand why they let it be. Many have!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 24, 2015, 12:38:45 AM
@EMJunkie:

Thank you for the answers in your post

http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg434552/#msg434552

and I hope this info will also help others who plan to do some tests.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 01:05:29 AM
@EMJunkie:

Thank you for the answers in your post

http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg434552/#msg434552

and I hope this info will also help others who plan to do some tests.

Greetings, Conrad

No Problem  ;)

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ALVARO_CS on January 24, 2015, 02:02:07 AM
Hey Cris
two weeks before, I made a setup similar to the one posted by SkyWatcher123
and yes, with similar results.
The issue is I do not have precision instruments, so cannot make accurate measurements.
Nevertheless,  there is no change at input with or without load, which is amazing !

Encouraged, I am setting another setup and will try to send it via ordinary mail, to any expert from this forum residing in Europe, (preferably in Spain)

Attached a pic of the mentioned setup, and a schematic of the next one.
cheers
Alvaro
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 24, 2015, 02:02:48 AM
Suppose someone presents to you a scopeshot like the one below, with no other information, and claims that it shows a voltage and a current trace from some unspecified device. No, not even which trace is which is included in the presentation. No circuitry, no probe connection points, no value of a current viewing resistor, if any, and even much less information than is displayed on my shot below. You don't even know if one trace represents an input and the other an output. It's clear from the scopeshot though, that a trace multiplication of the displayed traces would produce an entirely _negative_ power trace, if the traces are taken as indicating current and voltage, since at every time sample a negative number is being multiplied by a positive number, yielding a negative number as a result.  Do you accept this as evidence that all power is being sent back to the source? With only the scopeshot itself as "evidence" ?  Say the person who presented the original shot tells you that V and I are "in phase" when clearly they are not. What do you conclude?

(Just so you know: this scopeshot was produced using _only_ a signal generator, no external circuitry _at all_. So you already know more about it than is known about the originally presented trace.)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: poynt99 on January 24, 2015, 02:12:35 AM
What do you conclude?
That I need to have a few more beer (or hoots on my pipe) so I too can appreciate the wisdom and significance of those claims.  :P
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 03:03:54 AM
Hey Cris
two weeks before, I made a setup similar to the one posted by SkyWatcher123
and yes, with similar results.
The issue is I do not have precision instruments, so cannot make accurate measurements.
Nevertheless,  there is no change at input with or without load, which is amazing !

Encouraged, I am setting another setup and will try to send it via ordinary mail, to any expert from this forum residing in Europe, (preferably in Spain)

Attached a pic of the mentioned setup, and a schematic of the next one.
cheers
Alvaro

@Alvaro

Very Nice Work!

Some advice - Loose the CFL and go with NON Inductive Resistors. Makes life so much easier!

Very nice though - How easy is it to get some results?

For the moment, don't worry about Measurements! Just learn the device, what it likes and doesn't like.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 03:06:15 AM
Suppose someone presents to you a scopeshot like the one below, with no other information, and claims that it shows a voltage and a current trace from some unspecified device. No, not even which trace is which is included in the presentation. No circuitry, no probe connection points, no value of a current viewing resistor, if any, and even much less information than is displayed on my shot below. You don't even know if one trace represents an input and the other an output. It's clear from the scopeshot though, that a trace multiplication of the displayed traces would produce an entirely _negative_ power trace, if the traces are taken as indicating current and voltage, since at every time sample a negative number is being multiplied by a positive number, yielding a negative number as a result.  Do you accept this as evidence that all power is being sent back to the source? With only the scopeshot itself as "evidence" ?  Say the person who presented the original shot tells you that V and I are "in phase" when clearly they are not. What do you conclude?

(Just so you know: this scopeshot was produced using _only_ a signal generator, no external circuitry _at all_. So you already know more about it than is known about the originally presented trace.)

@TinselKoala and PotHead99

Leave the thread, you have been asked nicely already.

Your are not welcome nor wanted!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 24, 2015, 03:47:41 AM
Ordinary 1.2V PNP Joule Thief draws LESS current, or nearly the same, when 24 LED load is CONNECTED, and draws MORE current when load is DISCONNECTED:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLsOCYPCvGc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLsOCYPCvGc)

Now I can haz cheezburger?

Quote from: ALVARO_CS
Nevertheless,  there is no change at input with or without load, which is amazing !


Yes, amazing ... except when I do it. Then it's just something you can ignore or insult me about.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 03:53:02 AM
Ordinary 1.2V PNP Joule Thief draws LESS current, or nearly the same, when 24 LED load is CONNECTED, and draws MORE current when load is DISCONNECTED:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLsOCYPCvGc

Now I can haz cheezburger?

@TinselKoala

Leave the thread, you have been asked nicely already.

Your are not welcome nor wanted!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 24, 2015, 03:56:41 AM
@TinselKoala

Leave the thread, you have been asked nicely already.

Your are not welcome nor wanted!

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Scared? Just because I am showing that your "results" are ordinary and your "measurements" are bogus and you don't know how to use or interpret an oscilloscope? Awww.... you're hurting my feelings now.

YOU CANNOT REFUTE ME, so you are trying to run me off. Brilliant strategy!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 24, 2015, 03:56:42 AM
@TinselKoala and PotHead99

Hey ! I resemble that remark *lights doobie*...this is an insult to the Ambassador !!

That, along with tthe recently done doobie just may possibly lead to more references to Alfred Webre's stolen hair.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 04:15:23 AM
Scared? Just because I am showing that your "results" are ordinary and your "measurements" are bogus and you don't know how to use or interpret an oscilloscope? Awww.... you're hurting my feelings now.

YOU CANNOT REFUTE ME, so you are trying to run me off. Brilliant strategy!

@TinselKoala,

I wish with all my heart that you could succeed at building and testing this project properly!

I know in my heart that you can not! You already have your mind made up! How could you possibly succeed?

A brilliant Mind once said: "Women would learn how to work with energy faster than men because they are more sensitive."

Sensitive to What exactly? I know, I am not a woman but I do know that unless you change your mindset you will never succeed!

I am very saddened about this!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 05:23:24 AM
Hey ! I resemble that remark *lights doobie*...this is an insult to the Ambassador !!

That, along with tthe recently done doobie just may possibly lead to more references to Alfred Webre's stolen hair.

Regards...

Sorry Cap-Z-ro , not meant for you!

Peace, let the smoke rise up!!!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 24, 2015, 06:13:00 AM
Sorry Cap-Z-ro , not meant for you!

Peace, let the smoke rise up!!!

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Alls swell on the western front Chris.

Just a little self deprecating humor, masking a penchant for the crime of Alfred Webre's hair being stolen...likely at an alternative energy trade show by one of the venders, who made off in a strangely silent scooter.

Nooz @ Elebben

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 06:17:07 AM
Alls swell on the western front Chris.

Just a little self deprecating humor, masking a penchant for the crime of Alfred Webre's hair being stolen...likely at an alternative energy trade show by one of the venders, who made off in a strangely silent scooter.

Nooz @ Elebben

Regards...

Hahaha you did warn us! Good humour!

Back at you!  ;)

@ALL - Please vote in the pole if you have not already!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: wistiti on January 24, 2015, 06:21:28 AM

So, the point of me posting this, is that we need to Maximise the Magnetic Field Interactions! Get the highest Magnetic Fields in the device that are possible.

Hope this helps!


So if i understand correctly you mean more turn in the trigger coil and more turn in the partner coil. Or put and higher voltage to the trigger coil...?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 06:35:37 AM
Hey Wistiti,

So if i understand correctly you mean more turn in the trigger coil and more turn in the partner coil. Or put and higher voltage to the trigger coil...?

Its a little bit of a balancing act! Make sure you have enough turns to get the Magnetic Field up!

The Magnetic Field is calculated by: B=μI*n/l

B = Magnetic Field
μ = Permeability
I = Current
n = number of turns
l = Length of the coil

So one must make sure that the Magnetic Field is enough to start the process going! No, or not enough Magnetic Field, very little or no effect! Same it true if the Magnetic Field is choked off!

Stick to the turns suggested in prior posts. All should be ok with them.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: wistiti on January 24, 2015, 06:48:53 AM
hi all!
my result until now. (with what i have on hand...)

Tv yoke split in 2 part as the core.The 2 peices of the core have a gap of around 2mm with electric tape and paper. Buckink coil wound on each part of the core 400 turns 30awg each coil. Primary (or trigger coil) 2 strand twisted litz like wire 50 turns over one secondary coil. The primary (or trigger coil) is trigger with a joule thief like circuit. I have a 50k resistor to the base of a 2n3055 transistor for adjusting the frequency.

My result clearly depend on the frequency... at some point, when the output is shorted, the amp draw on the input goes higher. But when i tune it to is best, the input went to 400ma no load to 293 shorted! there is definitely something there...  :)

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 06:54:58 AM
@Wistiti

hi all!
my result until now. (with what i have on hand...)

Tv yoke split in 2 part as the core.The 2 peices of the core have a gap of around 2mm with electric tape and paper. Buckink coil wound on each part of the core 400 turns 30awg each coil. Primary (or trigger coil) 2 strand twisted litz like wire 50 turns over one secondary coil. The primary (or trigger coil) is trigger with a joule thief like circuit. I have a 50k resistor to the base of a 2n3055 transistor for adjusting the frequency.

Nice! If you can, please post Pic! Sounds excellent!

My result clearly depend on the frequency... at some point, when the output is shorted, the amp draw on the input goes higher. But when i tune it to is best, the input went to 400ma no load to 293 shorted! there is definitely something there...  :)

Yes, superb. This is one of the effects!

Nice Work Wistiti!

So, from here, play around, try to improve it.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on January 24, 2015, 07:10:46 AM
Hi folks, Hi wistiti, yes that is what I am seeing also when using a single transistor blocking oscillator setup, even though my primary is next to the partnered coils and not on top of one of them, seems to function the same.

Though so far with this flip flop driver setup, I am observing a little different behavior, this driver outputs an ac type wave.
The partnered coils when loaded with say a 1 kohm resistor, the amp draw is highest at around 670 milliamps.
When i use a resistor load of 500 ohms, the amp draw decreases from that level.
When i use a 220 ohm resistor, the amp draw drops even further and dead short gives the lowest amp draw of around 240 milliamps.

However, the unloaded amp draw is around 80 milliamps and the unloaded voltage at partner coils is around 32 volts AC with 7.4 input volts DC.
peace love light
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: wistiti on January 24, 2015, 09:12:27 AM
Hi Em and all!
here is a picture of my replication on a tv yoke core. i play moore with it and i blew the transistor... may be to much voltage ...
I find a ferrite rod inside an old radio i have. I will try on it the next time. very interesting phenomen. Thank again to have share it with us!
Now i have to go sleep; it will be a short night... again! :)
Ciao!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 24, 2015, 09:19:59 AM
Guys,  As I believe it is still about the same I would like to share some findings related to "One way Transformer"  which I believe works on similar or same principle.
Some info what it is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fZT7PvEGKU

I have made two types, the larger one is made of inner and outer partner coils and between I have several independent coils (see picture below)  The thing is I tested it with many many LED stripes and more I connected I didn't register any increase in consumption. In fact in some cases it went down- again the result relates to the right frequency.  Also it didn't work as an air core. I had to put ferite rods in to the coils. I wasn't lucky enough to lit incandescent bulb. It probably needs some more tuning.  Any way- same or similar principle.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: wistiti on January 24, 2015, 09:25:29 AM
Guys,  As I believe it is still about the same I would like to share some findings related to "One way Transformer"  which I believe works on similar or same principle.
Some info what it is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fZT7PvEGKU

I have made two types, the larger one is made of inner and outer partner coils and between I have several independent coils (see picture below)  The thing is I tested it with many many LED stripes and more I connected I didn't register any increase in consumption. In fact in some cases it went down- again the result relates to the right frequency.  Also it didn't work as an air core. I had to put ferite rods in to the coils. I wasn't lucky enough to lit incandescent bulb. It probably needs some more tuning.  Any way- same or similar principle.


Wow!
Good job John!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 09:48:41 AM
SkyWatcher123, Wistiti and John.K1,

Excellent work Guys!!!

If you like, you can try resonating your input @ the frequency you guys are working at. It did improve my setup slightly! Aim for max Q Factor on the input.

LC Tank Circuit for example.

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ALVARO_CS on January 24, 2015, 10:38:32 AM
Ordinary 1.2V PNP Joule Thief draws LESS current, or nearly the same, when 24 LED load is CONNECTED, and draws MORE current when load is DISCONNECTED:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLsOCYPCvGc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLsOCYPCvGc)

Now I can haz cheezburger?
 

Yes, amazing ... except when I do it. Then it's just something you can ignore or insult me about.

one humble note: I forgot to say that same results at Amp draw using a 20W- 300K resistor as a load (and even shorted) . . .sorry

TK: I have been in this forum for some years now, learning and posting my failures and successes, and I know (and value) the high level of your knowledge and therefore, I can detect when you spread that acid sense of humor of yours, so. . . no offense here ! (I have never insulted anyone in this or other forums)

But,  I will be very much more grateful, if you would change your mood and switch on a more cooperative one.  With your building skills and measuring expertise, it would be a great help !!
Knowing about your honesty, I guess you have already replicated this simple device, and made your accurate measurements and scope shots, so please, be kind of posting such results and analysis. Thanks

Alvaro


Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 24, 2015, 12:50:50 PM
It would be nice to know the output current, loaded and shorted.

Finally got an old crt monitor for its transformer core.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 24, 2015, 04:41:23 PM
The thing is I tested it with many many LED stripes and more I connected I didn't register any increase in consumption. In fact in some cases it went down- again the result relates to the right frequency. 

Hi John.K1. I have also been testing with lots of different transformer arrangements and tesla coils, etc., over the
last few years and I have also seen on a number of occasions where adding a load doesn't increase the input current,
or the input current may even drop a bit, but as you likely already know, that in no way necessarily means that you
have some sort of over unity effect occurring. Often more power will dissipate in the driver circuitry as well as in
the transformer windings if there is no load, or if the load is not a good impedance match. Adding or changing a load
can shift some of the power dissipation from the driver circuitry and transformer windings more to the load, and therefore
not increase the input current, and it all depends on the exact configuration. Therefore of course the only way to tell if
you are getting more power out than being put into the circuit is to make proper input and output power measurements.
Just monitoring input current will not tell you anything about the overall device efficiency.
All the best...
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 24, 2015, 07:19:09 PM
Hi Void,  Exactly. I do not state any OU , yet :) And as you know I do not accept any Lights as a measure of OU. Even measurements can be tricked. The only and best way to prove OU  is to have it as self runner.

Good luck
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 24, 2015, 07:46:11 PM
Hi Void,  Exactly. I do not state any OU , yet :) And as you know I do not accept any Lights as a measure of OU. Even measurements can be tricked. The only and best way to prove OU  is to have it as self runner.
Good luck

For sure John. Keep at it.  :)
All the best...
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 08:07:18 PM
@ALL,

Are you guys happy that you have an understanding of what's going on in the coils?

Can you see that this device a Valve of sorts?

A Magnetic Gate?

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 24, 2015, 08:51:15 PM
EMJunkie, to be honnest - 50-50
If that device would work also as Air core  I would say- I do understand. But, because it is not working for me, it means there must be some gap in my understanding. :)
Back to my Air core bucked coil tube. Thinking about it now, it is like two Tesla coils facing against each other and connected together at the bottoms and at the top. Sure winding is in opposite way.  My HV probe doesn't show HV on neither end of the bucked coil, just in the middle(strongest electric field). And my LED probe (small coil with LED) has highest intensity at the bottom and top (strongest magnetic field) and especially inside of the tube. The  continuos flow of current in the bucket coil has large impact on the intensity of my LED probe. When closed loop (shorted with resisitive load) the intensity of light (magnetic field)is High.  So my understanding of the fields structure around the device  from the bottom is   Amps - HV - Amps?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 24, 2015, 09:32:18 PM
one humble note: I forgot to say that same results at Amp draw using a 20W- 300K resistor as a load (and even shorted) . . .sorry

TK: I have been in this forum for some years now, learning and posting my failures and successes, and I know (and value) the high level of your knowledge and therefore, I can detect when you spread that acid sense of humor of yours, so. . . no offense here ! (I have never insulted anyone in this or other forums)

But,  I will be very much more grateful, if you would change your mood and switch on a more cooperative one.  With your building skills and measuring expertise, it would be a great help !!
Knowing about your honesty, I guess you have already replicated this simple device, and made your accurate measurements and scope shots, so please, be kind of posting such results and analysis. Thanks

Alvaro

TK'S perhaps waiting for a "New Moon" to prowl the back alleys for building parts under cover of darkness.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 24, 2015, 09:41:13 PM
I prepared a coil former for "partnered output coils" (not yet wound), see the attached photo and specification.


I intend to wind the partnered output coils like this:


- 0.25 mm diameter enamelled wired (~ 30 AWG)

- each partnered coil has 5 layers, each 65 turns --> ~330 turns + ~330 turns

- the input coil is wound over one partnered coil, 2 layers, each 65 turns -->  ~120 turns


I could also wind like this:


- 0.25 mm diameter enamelled wired (~ 30 AWG)

- each partnered coil has 3 layers, each 65 turns --> ~195 turns + ~195 turns

- the input coil is wound over one partnered coil, 1 layer,  65 turns -->  ~65 turns


The winding principle will be as indicated by EMJunkie (see e.g. the picture in this post
http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg434472/#msg434472 (http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg434472/#msg434472) )

The coupling can be modified by creating a gap between the core halves (e.g. by putting paper layers between them).
 

@EMJunkie: if you have time, please comment. Does this coil make sense?

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 09:57:27 PM
EMJunkie, to be honnest - 50-50
If that device would work also as Air core  I would say- I do understand. But, because it is not working for me, it means there must be some gap in my understanding. :)
Back to my Air core bucked coil tube. Thinking about it now, it is like two Tesla coils facing against each other and connected together at the bottoms and at the top. Sure winding is in opposite way.  My HV probe doesn't show HV on neither end of the bucked coil, just in the middle(strongest electric field). And my LED probe (small coil with LED) has highest intensity at the bottom and top (strongest magnetic field) and especially inside of the tube. The  continuos flow of current in the bucket coil has large impact on the intensity of my LED probe. When closed loop (shorted with resisitive load) the intensity of light (magnetic field)is High.  So my understanding of the fields structure around the device  from the bottom is   Amps - HV - Amps?

Hey John.K1,

Yes:
Quote
Amps - HV - Amps
is one way to describe a Valve!

Also by definition, Bucking Coils are a Valve!

Another Quote:

"A signal (energy) is transmitted from point A to point B. A and B are separated by a finite distance. Consider three periods of time:
 1) The signal is launched from A.
 2) The signal resides in the space between A and B.
 3) The signal arrives at B.

Now we know that for real space to exist between two points a signal travelling between them will propagate at a finite velocity C, (C = 1/√ue)"

If we were to take a Magnetic Field, Uniform, Two Magnets in attraction Mode, the Flux has a Point A and a Point B!

To Valve this "Signal" means:

"Energy current does have an aspect ratio. If the aspect ratio is forced to change, some of the flowing energy will reflect in order to assure that its total aspect ratio remains constant. Crudely, the aspect ratio is similar to the ratio of E to H, or the same as the ratio of E to u (√e/u ). The aspect ratio of energy current is much like the aspect ratio of space. While the aspect ratio of space can change, it fundamental velocity C = 1/√ue cannot really change. This parameter becomes merely our way of conceptualizing time delay when energy resides in a region of space."

You guys following me?

So here we see Magnetic Gating that has a Time Delay of a particular region of space.

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

EDIT: It is really important to get the devices working First! Then once working, make small improvements! Play with the devices, see what they Like and Don't Like
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 10:03:19 PM
I prepared a coil former for "partnered output coils" (not yet wound), see the attached photo and specification.


I intend to wind the partnered output coils like this:


- 0.25 mm diameter enamelled wired (~ 30 AWG)

- each partnered coil has 5 layers, each 65 turns --> ~330 turns + ~330 turns

- the input coil is wound over one partnered coil, 2 layers, each 65 turns -->  ~120 turns


I could also wind like this:


- 0.25 mm diameter enamelled wired (~ 30 AWG)

- each partnered coil has 3 layers, each 65 turns --> ~195 turns + ~195 turns

- the input coil is wound over one partnered coil, 1 layer,  65 turns -->  ~65 turns


The winding principle will be as indicated by EMJunkie (see e.g. the picture in this post
http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg434472/#msg434472 (http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg434472/#msg434472) )

The coupling can be modified by creating a gap between the core halves (e.g. by putting paper layers between them).
 

@EMJunkie: if you have time, please comment. Does this coil make sense?

Greetings, Conrad

Hi Conrad,

If I may suggest, for your first device, just aim to get working. I am sure you are already, but keeping expectations at a reasonable level, not to high, will yield a better result over all. I know, because I am guilty of this most of the time!

Remember, we must Start at the Start to get to the finish line.

Do these E Cores have a gap on the centre leg? Some do and some don't.

What you've got looks good!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 24, 2015, 10:30:06 PM
Hi Conrad,

If I may suggest, for your first device, just aim to get working. I am sure you are already, but keeping expectations at a reasonable level, not to high, will yield a better result over all. I know, because I am guilty of this most of the time!

Remember, we must Start at the Start to get to the finish line.

Do these E Cores have a gap on the centre leg? Some do and some don't.

What you've got looks good!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

The two halves of the E core have no gap at the centre leg, please see the attached photo.

Do not worry, I start at the start. And if I do measurements it would not prove or disprove anything, because your specifications leave room for very many variations which I possibly can not test all.

Whatever I do, I do because I like tinkering with strange devices. I am no expert, whatever I will say has no significance. You can expect (but it takes time) a short video on my YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/conradelektro/videos reporting what I built and measured. After I while I will loose interest, like with all other projects I did in the past.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 11:01:37 PM
The two halves of the E core have no gap at the centre leg, please see the attached photo.

Do not worry, I start at the start. And if I do measurements it would not prove or disprove anything, because your specifications leave room for very many variations which I possibly can not test all.

Whatever I do, I do because I like tinkering with strange devices. I am no expert, whatever I will say has no significance. You can expect (but it takes time) a short video on my YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/conradelektro/videos reporting what I built and measured. After I while I will loose interest, like with all other projects I did in the past.

Greetings, Conrad

@Conrad,

Excellent! Lots of room with those cores!

@ALL

I promise, for all taking up this journey, it will be perhaps the most exciting ride in your life.

Don't give up! High Expectations and a few failures lead to misery!

Start at the Start and the Finish line will very soon be in sight! Never shut doors that have not been explored, even then don't throw away the key!

Again, make small improvements! Feel what this Technology Likes and Doesn't Like! I like the devices to run at lower frequencies so its easier to Feel what's going on but I cant predict frequencies yet...

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 24, 2015, 11:10:18 PM
@ALL,

About Frequency's, a small experiment:

1: Fuse your input just to be safe first!
2: Slowly drop your running frequency down...
3: Hold in your hand, a small magnet, close to your device.
4: Keep dropping your Frequency until you can Feel the Magnet Jump around.
5: Check all around your device with the Magnet

I found this good to get a feel for what's going on. And, yes easy for the sceptics to go to town here, but it did help me.

Also, on a side Note: Start thinking about the potentials of the Partnered Output Coils! Think about each Coil being a Bucket, How much Water can it hold...

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

P.S: You should hear a Chattering of your device. Aim for around 25 - 40 Hz to do this experiment.

P.P.S: This Experiment is fairly important, so please don't pass it by! Please Run the Experiment and report your Results!  ;)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: jbignes5 on January 25, 2015, 06:08:52 AM


 Great,


 I am glad you had the time to go over my post.


 Yes Tesla went the excessive rounds when doing his experiments. But it doesn't have to be that way, up to a point. You need to establish an electric field that will go the distance between each coil and unfortunately the electric field is bound to the magnetic field so a core will be needed. Tesla liked to shield his transformer much like Lasersaber is doing with his Tesla torch, that way he could pump in the very high voltage inside of the shielded box and not have to worry about needing a core.


 In fact people have been picking out little things from Tesla's work and using that one thing to get some very interesting results but what if we replicated all of his discoveries from that system.


 You are starting down the very path Tesla set before us. Continue as I am starting to rejuvenate my own exploration of this area.


 Tesla did some very interesting experiments with this purified dynamic electric field and found out it has some very interesting results when different metals are exposed to the field. Aluminum exploded when put inside of a heavy coil that was excited by this disruptive discharge system. The lower the frequency the more dangerous it became to the human condition. Tesla warned to keep it above 2k cycles to keep it safe to us humans.


 Speaking of which, Check out the Chicago worlds fair report. His demonstration will enlighten you to what he was doing.


 In that report you will hear about him passing this electric field through his body and aiming it at a copper mass on a table. The copper mass turned cherry red with no damage to his person. Quite an interesting tale and witnessed by many thousands of people. In fact he asked people from the audience to join him on the stage and they did the experiment passing the field through them and into the copper as well with no damage to their person.
 The cherry red effect was the copper building huge currents and having no where to go it just accumulated and heated the mass up. I'll see if I can find the report... I think it was in one of the books written about Tesla..


 Understand the importance of this above. The field created heavy current in the copper mass. Was it more than what it took to generate the dynamic field??? With his disruptive discharge circuit it most probably was more. Until I restart my investigations I will have to wait to answer that. But I think many others have already gone down that road only to get sniped by the measurement police before they had a chance to work it out fully. Don't let these guys get to you. They are heavily invested in their way of doing things, they don't want people actually doing the discovery again.


 JBignes5
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 25, 2015, 06:29:46 AM

 Great,


 I am glad you had the time to go over my post.


 Yes Tesla went the excessive rounds when doing his experiments. But it doesn't have to be that way, up to a point. You need to establish an electric field that will go the distance between each coil and unfortunately the electric field is bound to the magnetic field so a core will be needed. Tesla liked to shield his transformer much like Lasersaber is doing with his Tesla torch, that way he could pump in the very high voltage inside of the shielded box and not have to worry about needing a core.


 In fact people have been picking out little things from Tesla's work and using that one thing to get some very interesting results but what if we replicated all of his discoveries from that system.


 You are starting down the very path Tesla set before us. Continue as I am starting to rejuvenate my own exploration of this area.


 Tesla did some very interesting experiments with this purified dynamic electric field and found out it has some very interesting results when different metals are exposed to the field. Aluminum exploded when put inside of a heavy coil that was excited by this disruptive discharge system. The lower the frequency the more dangerous it became to the human condition. Tesla warned to keep it above 2k cycles to keep it safe to us humans.


 Speaking of which, Check out the Chicago worlds fair report. His demonstration will enlighten you to what he was doing.


 In that report you will hear about him passing this electric field through his body and aiming it at a copper mass on a table. The copper mass turned cherry red with no damage to his person. Quite an interesting tale and witnessed by many thousands of people. In fact he asked people from the audience to join him on the stage and they did the experiment passing the field through them and into the copper as well with no damage to their person.
 The cherry red effect was the copper building huge currents and having no where to go it just accumulated and heated the mass up. I'll see if I can find the report... I think it was in one of the books written about Tesla..


 Understand the importance of this above. The field created heavy current in the copper mass. Was it more than what it took to generate the dynamic field??? With his disruptive discharge circuit it most probably was more. Until I restart my investigations I will have to wait to answer that. But I think many others have already gone down that road only to get sniped by the measurement police before they had a chance to work it out fully. Don't let these guys get to you. They are heavily invested in their way of doing things, they don't want people actually doing the discovery again.


 JBignes5

@JBignes5,

Yes Sir, Nikola Tesla was an absolute Genius! Way before his time.

Yes, the Magnetic Field is a wondrous thing! Illusive and mysterious! We think we know a lot about it but it still holds many secrets!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on January 25, 2015, 08:07:24 AM
Hi folks, i made some tests with the astable flip flop driver and with some load matching, i was able to achieve 87 percent efficiency so far.
Going to adjust driver part values and play with frequency more and see if it can be improved.
peace love light
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 25, 2015, 08:34:09 AM
Jeg,

This may work, but check the turn direction on one of the coils! Best to have one reversed to the other! From what I can see, both coils are wound in the same direction!

Take the Blue input Coil off and wind a 40 turn 32 or similar awg coil as shown:

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

Thanks Emjunkie
I'd like to ask you if by adding more turns at the partner coils side, the output voltage goes higher? Do you think it is a good practice to insulate every layer of the partner coils by some tape so to avoid inter-turn arcing?

And something else for everyone. Is it the right time to consider again this circuit shown at the video? Alexander meissner...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDUpYnA2AY0
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 25, 2015, 09:16:48 AM
Hi folks, i made some tests with the astable flip flop driver and with some load matching, i was able to achieve 87 percent efficiency so far.
Going to adjust driver part values and play with frequency more and see if it can be improved.
peace love light

Hey SkyWatcher123,

Good Work! Keep it up! It will come good, once you have the right config!

What's your opt frequency?

What's your input Phase Angle?

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

P.S: An optimised H-Bridge can be very much more efficient than many other drivers. Worth looking up "MERS" Highly efficient!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 25, 2015, 09:37:42 AM
Hey Jeg,

I'd like to ask you if by adding more turns at the partner coils side, the output voltage goes higher? Do you think it is a good practice to insulate every layer of the partner coils by some tape so to avoid inter-turn arcing?

Yes this can be helpful sometimes! It does depend on how many turns you already have though! What's the wire gauge you currently have on your Partnered Output Coils?

No, not needed to insulate every layer, not for what we are doing! If this is a problem then too many turns or bad quality wire may be the issue. Try to aim for Voltage output of about 2 times the input, just a little higher than input to start with then later on we can improve!

And something else for everyone. Is it the right time to consider again this circuit shown at the video? Alexander meissner...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDUpYnA2AY0

Yes Good Video!

EDIT: Jeg, use a Power Amplifier: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/180W-180W-2CH-12V-Small-Stereo-High-Power-Amplifier-for-CD-MP3-Car-Audio-Home-/400586923881?pt=AU_Electronics_Audio_Amplifiers&hash=item5d44d75f69

Drive it with a Function Generator, cheap Square/Sine Generator

The Circuit in the video is ok, but it will limit your overall ability to test and learn your device.

My rule is, don't rule anything out!

Please, I really cant stress enough, start simple! Keep it simple and learn as much as you can first!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 25, 2015, 09:49:33 AM
Thanks EM..
It is a new concept for me and i have many questions to be answered through experimentation. One question for example is if this effect can be reversed. I mean if by the same rule we can cancel E fields and turn our Voltage output to a current source again driving inductive loads..
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 25, 2015, 10:34:00 AM
Hi Jeg

It is a new concept for me and i have many questions to be answered through experimentation. One question for example is if this effect can be reversed.

Yes Understand, takes a bit of understanding!

1: Each Coil has its own Magnetic Field
2: When Magnetic Cancels, the Electric can add (Not always!)
3: When Electric Cancels, Magnetic can add (Not always!)

Experiment is as you say the key! That's why I have tried to come at this the way I have. Start at the Start and we will get to the finish!

I guess you could view this as reversed...

I mean if by the same rule we can cancel EM fields and turn our Voltage output to a current source again driving inductive loads..

Current and Voltage are the Electro Motive Force, normally EMF.

Both follow with the EMF, but might be out of phase depending on the load. 

Please see last post I edited it last minute.

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: minnie on January 25, 2015, 11:26:37 AM



  I asked my dog if I should attempt a build, she said-
 Can you do accurate pin-pout measurements?
 Can you show an actual change in one or more parameters?
  (Remember that silly thing with Mondrasek, Mathematical analysis of an ideal  ZED
   it was all over on page two but festered on for another 180 pages)
  Can you see free energy anywhere in nature, the Sun is losing 4 million metic tons
  a second to radiation let alone a great deal more to solar wind.
  Could it be dark energy? Answer that one and you'll please a whole bunch of
   scientists.
    Then she went back to sleep by the fire!
               John.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 25, 2015, 08:57:51 PM
This clip was mentioned on another thread and it's worthwhile to post it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI)

Many of the issues mentioned in this clip apply to what is going on in this thread also.  Probably the biggest issue related to this specific thread is that in this thread there is a claim of more power out than power in coupled with an active discouragement of actually making power out and power in measurements.  That is simply self-defeating logic that makes no sense.

Moving on, just another comment about what is transpiring in this thread.  The claim is based on driving the transformer with an AC waveform and making measurements on the AC power in and the AC power out.  However, you have several people showing Joule Thief/blocking oscillator type designs.  The two circuits are completely different, so what's the point?  In a blocking oscillator type of design, you drive the primary with some kind of pulse waveform.  When the drive signal is ON, you are energizing the primary inductance of the transformer so that it stores energy.  When the drive signal is OFF, then the the primary drive circuitry is completely decoupled from the transformer.  When that happens, you have all of this energy in the transformer that has to go somewhere, and the only place for it to go is via the secondary.  Under these conditions, you can put essentially ANY load resistor on the secondary and the secondary will discharge through that load.  In other words, with a blocking oscillator type design, the concept of a 3:1 turns ratio does not even apply any more.  The output is of a variable voltage that depends on the load resistance exclusively, and has nothing to do with the turns ration.  Also, the output is essentially decoupled from the input so it is perfectly normal and expected that there will be no change in the input power when you chance the load on the output.

So you guys have to decide, is this thread just another free-for-all that goes nowhere, or do you actually try to replicate the circuit and make measurements on it?

All of these postings were you say things like, "I added a load and the input power went down so we are going in the right direction" are claims that we have all been reading on this forum for years and years by now for all sorts of different setups and circuits.  This is nothing new.  If you don't even attempt to figure out why that is happening then it is meaningless.  There is always a logical reason why.   One thing for certain is that "going in the right direction" does not mean that you are going to magically pass the COP 1 barrier and make it past that point.

Try to replicate faithfully and making power in and power out measurements all the time is what you really should be doing if you are serious.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 25, 2015, 09:12:06 PM


  I asked my dog if I should attempt a build, she said-
 Can you do accurate pin-pout measurements?
 Can you show an actual change in one or more parameters?
  (Remember that silly thing with Mondrasek, Mathematical analysis of an ideal  ZED
   it was all over on page two but festered on for another 180 pages)
  Can you see free energy anywhere in nature, the Sun is losing 4 million metic tons
  a second to radiation let alone a great deal more to solar wind.
  Could it be dark energy? Answer that one and you'll please a whole bunch of
   scientists.
    Then she went back to sleep by the fire!
               John.

Hi John,

I first got interested at 17, now I am 41. Its a long time to have a "Hobby"!  ;)

I used to wind Coils and stuff as a Kid for various people, Uncle's and so on. I seemed to know quite a few people in the Radio/Electronics area.

My point is, for only a few dollars (20 or so) a little bit of time, one can start seeing some pretty cool things.

If I told you how much I have spent on convoluted unnecessary Experiments over the years you would not believe me!

If I had the leg up, and listened, then I could have saved my self a lot of money and Time!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 25, 2015, 09:37:57 PM
Hi,

I am really enthusiatic with this project because I see that this bucking coils concept is embedded into many designs of overunity devices.

In Chris website, hyiq.org, he posted a long video (45 min.) about the Bill Alek prototype (Auroratek). I have extracted here the most important minute of that video. Please see why counter-rotation (CW + CCW) compensate each other. Just extrapolate this into the Lenz Law of two secondaries in relation to the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcks2fcpHUk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcks2fcpHUk)

Chris, do not worry about naysayers. As Don Quixote said: "Dogs are barking. Therefore we should be getting closer."

Regards
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MarkE on January 25, 2015, 10:05:39 PM
Hanon do yourself a favor and learn about leakage inductance in transformers.  Once you do you should find that you can direct your experiments to conclusions that make sense.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 25, 2015, 10:10:02 PM
Hey MileHigh,

This clip was mentioned on another thread and it's worthwhile to post it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI)

Many of the issues mentioned in this clip apply to what is going on in this thread also.  Probably the biggest issue related to this specific thread is that in this thread there is a claim of more power out than power in coupled with an active discouragement of actually making power out and power in measurements.  That is simply self-defeating logic that makes no sense.

I used to think guy was quite good! Now, especially after hearing: "I don't know, I have not built it" - That was enough for me!

Yes, this guy has some sensible information in this video, he often does in a lot of his videos. But, to criticise someone else because he made some calculations, but did not take measurements or even build the device is just very un-professional!

We live in a world now, it seems an arrogance has overwhelmed the minds of individuals. Yet one of the greatest minds in all of history viewed things differently:

Quote

It is paradoxical, yet true, to say, that the more we know, the more ignorant we become in the absolute sense, for it is only through enlightenment that we become conscious of our limitations. Precisely one of the most gratifying results of intellectual evolution is the continuous opening up of new and greater prospects. - Nikola Tesla


Moving on, just another comment about what is transpiring in this thread.  The claim is based on driving the transformer with an AC waveform and making measurements on the AC power in and the AC power out.  However, you have several people showing Joule Thief/blocking oscillator type designs.  The two circuits are completely different, so what's the point? 

There is a lot of learning, it takes intuition to see, if you like, whats going on!

In saying this, I did suggest early on, a H-Bridge or a Power Amplifier with a Function Generator as the signal source. Those that are experimenting will see sooner or later that this is a much better way to excite the Coils.

It is a learning curve, That's why I was not too excited about getting others to build and measure right up front. One of Ten Devices may work as I have said, so by keeping expectations low initially, then by making improvements a learning process will take place.

I have been doing this for more than 5 Years and I still don't know everything about this technology yet!

In a blocking oscillator type of design, you drive the primary with some kind of pulse waveform.  When the drive signal is ON, you are energizing the primary inductance of the transformer so that it stores energy.  When the drive signal is OFF, then the the primary drive circuitry is completely decoupled from the transformer.  When that happens, you have all of this energy in the transformer that has to go somewhere, and the only place for it to go is via the secondary.  Under these conditions, you can put essentially ANY load resistor on the secondary and the secondary will discharge through that load.  In other words, with a blocking oscillator type design, the concept of a 3:1 turns ratio does not even apply any more.  The output is of a variable voltage that depends on the load resistance exclusively, and has nothing to do with the turns ration.  Also, the output is essentially decoupled from the input so it is perfectly normal and expected that there will be no change in the input power when you chance the load on the output.

Not sure why this has come up here? Can you explain why you have brought up a "blocking oscillator"?

If you're comparing the Partnered Output Coils to a "blocking oscillator", I would not give the same comparison. First the Circuit is quite different, second the operation may be similar of sorts, but the way the coils work together are quite different!

However, the blocking oscillator could be considered to have similarity's.

So you guys have to decide, is this thread just another free-for-all that goes nowhere, or do you actually try to replicate the circuit and make measurements on it?

All of these postings were you say things like, "I added a load and the input power went down so we are going in the right direction" are claims that we have all been reading on this forum for years and years by now for all sorts of different setups and circuits.  This is nothing new.  If you don't even attempt to figure out why that is happening then it is meaningless.  There is always a logical reason why.   One thing for certain is that "going in the right direction" does not mean that you are going to magically pass the COP 1 barrier and make it past that point.

I know MileHigh, I hear your pain! I have also been around for quite some time and seen all the same things! The difference is, I now know that at least some of those claims may well have been true and correct! I know that the average Joe doing a quick 5 minute build on his bench, with no real understanding of whats "Supposed" to happen will evidently result in Failure!

Lets take Floyd Sweet for example, first unit, very crude, it worked and was measured to be of the order of 19 Watts, revision 2 was 110 Watts.

We don't know what Floyd had before this, but one can imagine, it would have been even more crude and less useful, but, importantly, it would have been enough to show concepts, to show a path forward!

Floyd Sweet has 6 Versions of the VTA before he died that I know of! The last one was 5000 Watts (5KW)!

Try to replicate faithfully and making power in and power out measurements all the time is what you really should be doing if you are serious.

MileHigh

I agree 100% we must truly explore what's right in front of our own eyes! With No Bias, with Open Eyes, with intention to one day succeed, with vision and direction, or we are lost!

Please, I ask you to ponder one question: "What does a Bucking Coil Do"

You're not a bad old Fella MileHigh, we got off to a very bad start you and I!

Kind Regards

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 25, 2015, 10:26:12 PM
Hi Hanon,

I am really enthusiatic with this project because I see that this bucking coils concept is embedded into many designs of overunity devices.

In Chris website, hyiq.org, he posted a long video (45 min.) about the Bill Alek prototype (Auroratek). I have extracted here the most important minute of that video. Please see why counter-rotation (CW + CCW) compensate each other. Just extrapolate this into the Lenz Law of two secondaries in relation to the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcks2fcpHUk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcks2fcpHUk)

Chris, do not worry about naysayers. As Don Quixote said: "Dogs are barking. Therefore we should be getting closer."

Yes, sometimes the intentions of others bring questions to one mind, but to do the right thing, Live and let Live, and carry on with the journey. Focus at the task at hand.

Hanon, MarkE has bought up a good point:

Hanon do yourself a favour and learn about leakage inductance in transformers.  Once you do you should find that you can direct your experiments to conclusions that make sense.

It is so VERY easy to do a few simple experiments! Like I posted in the prior post, a path will lay itself down. Just follow the path.

For around $20 a few simple experiments could change your life for ever! As it did with Floyd Sweets and many before him!

Ask Yourself some Fundamental Questions:
1: Were does Energy Come From?
2: How does Energy Manifest in a Conductor?
3: What are the Negative Effects of an Energy Flow?
4: What are the Positive effects to an Energy Flow?
5: How can we either eliminate these effects or encourage them?

All of which I have already given the answers to in my prior posts!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MarkE on January 25, 2015, 10:33:19 PM
It is, but you keep getting so lost.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 25, 2015, 11:49:51 PM
It is, but you keep getting so lost.

@MarkE,

If it is Electrical Energy that is desired by those trying to work for a common goal here in this forum, where would you start looking?

One does not go to the Desert for a Cup of Water!

One cannot get lost if one Starts at the Start, unless the path is obstructed by muddied Waters.

How much "Leakage Inductance" does the average Generator have? Does it not still "Generate" Electricity?

 
I have said it before, sometimes what appears to be a Smart Mind, can in fact have the least Intelligence!


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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MarkE on January 26, 2015, 12:06:37 AM
@MarkE,

If it is Electrical Energy that is desired by those trying to work for a common goal here in this forum, where would you start looking?
The question does not even make much sense.  Do you mean to ask:  "If I want free electrical energy, where should I go look for it?".
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One does not go to the Desert for a Cup of Water!
Exactly, so if you are looking for a new source of energy, why are you messing around with such well understood and thoroughly researched things as coupled inductors?
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One cannot get lost if one Starts at the Start, unless the path is obstructed by muddied Waters.
But you reject starting at the start:  Understand what is believed now and has been shown to make accurate predictions.  Understand how to test whatever ideas that you have in a meaningful way.  You claim overunity but admit that you don't have reliable measurements to support the claim.  You have vociferously objected to trying to obtain reliable measurements.  That leaves you at less than zero.
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How much "Leakage Inductance" does the average Generator have? Does it not still "Generate" Electricity?
That you ask such a question betrays that you do not understand what you are dealing with.
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I have said it before, sometimes what appears to be a Smart Mind, can in fact have the least Intelligence!
You have said many things, many of them irrelevant to what you claim to be researching and/or wrong.
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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 26, 2015, 12:09:26 AM
@MarkE,

 
I have said it before, sometimes what appears to be a Smart Mind, can in fact have the least Intelligence!


Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

Hey, I believe you said something similar about me once.  I am not sure what you mean by this but, I suspect that it is not a compliment.  If you are implying that MarkE is not intelligent, then, I would really have to question your reasoning (or lack thereof) for coming to this conclusion.

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 12:38:46 AM
@MarkE,

I am glad you have voiced your assumptions and opinions for all to read!

The question does not even make much sense.  Do you mean to ask:  "If I want free electrical energy, where should I go look for it?".

Makes sense to me, simple question! You did not answer it?

Exactly, so if you are looking for a new source of energy, why are you messing around with such well understood and thoroughly researched things as coupled inductors?

This is perhaps your biggest assumption to date: "new source of energy" - Are you saying "Electrical Generators" are a "new source of energy"? They are not! They are well known, been used for many, many decades.

Assume Nothing! Electrical Energy is Pumped, I have already shown and proven all the principals involved! I am not introducing anything new here. In-Fact the opposite is true. Everything I have shown is standard already known principals! Bucking Coils are not New!

MarkE, you have unfortunately let yourself down here.

But you reject starting at the start:  Understand what is believed now and has been shown to make accurate predictions. 

For anyone following this thread, that has watched the Videos and Read the documents and read my posts, they will see that I have provided more than just a few silly words.

Understand how to test whatever ideas that you have in a meaningful way.  You claim overunity but admit that you don't have reliable measurements to support the claim.  You have vociferously objected to trying to obtain reliable measurements.  That leaves you at less than zero.

It seems that the most simple line of text that I wrote has upset you the most:


One cannot get lost if one Starts at the Start, unless the path is obstructed by muddied Waters.


Is it that the truth hurts here?



How much "Leakage Inductance" does the average Generator have? Does it not still "Generate" Electricity?

That you ask such a question betrays that you do not understand what you are dealing with.

For others here I will provide references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leakage_inductance

Quote from: Chris Sykes - EMJunkie would like to Quote Wikipedia link=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leakage_inductance topic=Understanding "Leakage Inductance"  ;)

Leakage inductance derives from the electrical property of an imperfectly-coupled transformer whereby each winding behaves as a self-inductance constant in series with the winding's respective ohmic resistance constant, these four winding constants also interacting with the transformer's mutual inductance constant. The winding self-inductance constant and associated leakage inductance is due to leakage flux not linking with all turns of each imperfectly-coupled winding.

The leakage flux alternately stores and discharges magnetic energy with each electrical cycle acting as an inductor in series with each of the primary and secondary circuits.

Leakage inductance depends on the geometry of the core and the windings. Voltage drop across the leakage reactance results in often undesirable supply regulation with varying transformer load. But it can also be useful for harmonic isolation (attenuating higher frequencies) of some loads.


A "imperfectly-coupled transformer" is an example of "Leakage Inductance". It is not that case that Transformers are only susceptible to Leakage Inductance. Any imperfectly-coupled Electrical Device is considered to have Leakage Inductance when the Inductors are imperfectly-coupled!

Fairly simple here and certainly not complex!


You have said many things, many of them irrelevant to what you claim to be researching and/or wrong.

MarkE - I think those reading  will now know who is wrong!


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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 12:40:09 AM
Hey, I believe you said something similar about me once.  I am not sure what you mean by this but, I suspect that it is not a compliment.  If you are implying that MarkE is not intelligent, then, I would really have to question your reasoning (or lack thereof) for coming to this conclusion.

Bill

And now MarkE's puppy dog "Bill" lets out a little Bark  ;)

Bill, be your own leader and don't be led! Chew that leash off and you can be free!

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   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 26, 2015, 12:49:52 AM
And now MarkE's puppy dog "Bill" lets out a little Bark  ;)

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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Wow.  Is that supposed to be another insult?  Is this the best you have?  Really, I would have expected better from you.  But, life is full of disappointments.

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 12:53:46 AM
Wow.  Is that supposed to be another insult?  Is this the best you have?  Really, I would have expected better from you.  But, life is full of disappointments.

Bill

No, advise! It looks really silly how you blindly follow!

Do yourself a favour, free yourself!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MarkE on January 26, 2015, 01:04:58 AM
@MarkE,

I am glad you have voiced your assumptions and opinions for all to read!
Yada, yada, yada.  You made a nonsensical statement, and I asked for clarification.  This is what you come back with.
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Makes sense to me, simple question! You did not answer it?
Since I asked you to clarify your question, it was premature to offer an answer.
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This is perhaps your biggest assumption to date: "new source of energy" - Are you saying "Electrical Generators" are a "new source of energy"? They are not! They are well known, been used for many, many decades.
Are you really as obtuse as you present yourself to be?
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Assume Nothing! Electrical Energy is Pumped, I have already shown and proven all the principals involved!
You have not established any new principle.  Nor have you established that you or anyone else can actually obtain the 1.7X COP that you claim.
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I am not introducing anything new here. In-Fact the opposite is true. Everything I have shown is standard already known principals! Bucking Coils are not New!
No they are not, and contrary to your claims, they do not generate overunity.
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MarkE, you have unfortunately let yourself down here.

For anyone following this thread, that has watched the Videos and Read the documents and read my posts, they will see that I have provided more than just a few silly words.
You have provided many silly words.  You seem to revel in offering silly words and obtuse statements.  What you don't seem to do is offer any actual evidence to support your overunity claims.
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It seems that the most simple line of text that I wrote has upset you the most:

Is it that the truth hurts here?
LOL, the truth only hurts your bogus claims.
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For others here I will provide references: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leakage_inductance

A "imperfectly-coupled transformer" is an example of "Leakage Inductance". It is not that case that Transformers are only susceptible to Leakage Inductance. Any imperfectly-coupled Electrical Device is considered to have Leakage Inductance when the Inductors are imperfectly-coupled!

Fairly simple here and certainly not complex!
Noit is not complex.  It is rather simple.  And that simplicity contributes to the silliness of your unsubstantiated OU claims.  All you have done is to construct a transformer that has lots of leakage inductance.
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MarkE - I think those reading  will now know who is wrong!
By your failure to provide substantiating evidence for your OU claims, yes it is very obvious.
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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 26, 2015, 01:14:36 AM
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MarkE - I think those reading  will now know who is wrong!

It's certainly obvious to me.

AC vs DC coupled scope channels. -- EMJunkie is wrong.
"Decoupling" capacitor.-- EMJunkie is wrong.
"In Phase" when actually 180 degrees out-of-phase.-- EMJunkie is wrong.
1.7 OU without any evidence. -- EMJunkie is wrong.
Insults delivered to Bill, MarkE and anyone else who dares to ask for real evidence for the COP claim. -- EMJunkie is wrong.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 01:23:10 AM
It's certainly obvious to me.

AC vs DC coupled scope channels. -- EMJunkie is wrong.
"Decoupling" capacitor.-- EMJunkie is wrong.
"In Phase" when actually 180 degrees out-of-phase.-- EMJunkie is wrong.
1.7 OU without any evidence. -- EMJunkie is wrong.
Insults delivered to Bill, MarkE and anyone else who dares to ask for real evidence for the COP claim. -- EMJunkie is wrong.

@TinselKoala, MarkE and Bill

You have been asked Nicely to leave the thread - Yet you still visit and post laughable cynical Non-Sense!

Why is it that you wont leave? You keep coming back, reading and posting to this thread?

I really wouldn't mind, but the problem is, that youre filling this thread with Mindless Non Backed-Up Piffle that most Everyone can see right through!  :o

Besides, TinselKoala, you have lied at least twice in your post and anyone here reading will see this!

Please, if you don't like this thread, Please Leave - I ask you agiain Nicely!

Or is it that you three have a Paid Job to do here? Mudding Waters maybe?

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 26, 2015, 01:48:22 AM
@TinselKoala, MarkE and Bill

You have been asked Nicely to leave the thread - Yet you still visit and post laughable cynical Non-Sense!

Why is it that you wont leave? You keep coming back, reading and posting to this thread?

I really wouldn't mind, but the problem is, that youre filling this thread with Mindless Non Backed-Up Piffle that most Everyone can see right through!  :o

Besides, TinselKoala, you have lied at least twice in your post and anyone here reading will see this!

Please, if you don't like this thread, Please Leave - I ask you agiain Nicely!

Or is it that you three have a Paid Job to do here? Mudding Waters maybe?

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

Ah, the old "Paid Shill" ploy is being used.  This happens when someone has no leg left to stand on.  Typical and, predictable.

The only muddying of the waters going on here is this entire thread.  Of course you would ask anyone that knows better to leave and stop posting as it would detract from your fantasy pseudo-science explanations that some here are actually believing.

I have been asked to leave nicer places than this.  But, usually when that happens, it is being asked by someone that actually knows what he/she is talking about.

Bill

PS  Please post to us where TK has ever "lied" as you have claimed.  I have been on this forum for many, many years and I can not seem to recall where TK has ever "lied" about anything.   You said he has done this 2 times so, this should be easy for you to at least post one of his "lies".
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: propellanttech on January 26, 2015, 02:00:57 AM
I'm a new guy here, but have done a lot of research on the different circuitry contain in these forums (not just this thread).

With that said, I will admit I have done no testing of my own. This is due to time and money constraints in the past, but is changing soon.

I do have a question aimed at EMJ:  Are the coils wound orthocyclic, one left hand, one right hand , and one to match a direction with less wire/bigger AWG to be the "drive" coil?

Orthocyclic to me is defined as: one layer wound (in this example moving to the left) and the following layer is wound back to the original starting point(for this example to the right),this would be stated as two layers and how ever many turns that have occurred. This cycle repeats until all layers and number of turns required are completed. A reverse othocyclic coil would be, in this example, started on the left and be moving to the right. These are only examples in this instance. A coil can be wound any direction, but the reverse would start on the opposite side.

Thanks,

James
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 02:01:20 AM
Bill,

Ah, the old "Paid Shill" ploy is being used.  This happens when someone has no leg left to stand on.  Typical and, predictable.

The only muddying of the waters going on here is this entire thread.  Of course you would ask anyone that knows better to leave and stop posting as it would detract from your fantasy pseudo-science explanations that some here are actually believing.

I have been asked to leave nicer places than this.  But, usually when that happens, it is being asked by someone that actually knows what he/she is talking about.

Bill

PS  Please post to us where TK has ever "lied" as you have claimed.  I have been on this forum for many, many years and I can not seem to recall where TK has ever "lied" about anything.   You said he has done this 2 times so, this should be easy for you to at least post one of his "lies".

"In Phase" when actually 180 degrees out-of-phase.-- EMJunkie is wrong.
1.7 OU without any evidence. -- EMJunkie is wrong.


Both are Lies!

1: I never said anything about the Input being in Phase - TK Lie!
2: I tried to provide some information but Ignorance and Arrogance got in the way! I ended the exchange - TK Lie!

Bill - Please leave the thread! I can sense you're not a bad bloke, just looking for something you're not sure of.

Kind Regards

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 02:07:16 AM
Chris:

My ulterior motive in requesting that people do good replications is then you will have to face the hard data generated by the real experiments.  I am assuming that you would then ask the replicators to make some tweaks but the tweaks won't help that much.

Imagine five people try and get under unity results.  Then you are motivated to get your setup out of the box and do your own tests.  We will imagine for the sake of argument that someone spots a flaw in your test and measurement setup and once corrected, your results are similar to the others.

You made reference to a friend of yours getting over unity in his or her experiment.  Then it's kind of like we are in "Magic Mushroom Land" where free energy is just sprouting up like mushrooms in a damp wet bog.  The problem is that we are not in the bog or in Oz or Kansas - it's just Real Time Reality all the time!

On another note, it's just impossible for something like this to have gone unnoticed.  If it was true you would have commercial-scale magic transformer power production facilities right now, along with fridge-sized "home power boxes."  It's almost metaphysically impossible for what you are suggesting to have gone unnoticed.  So there is that ignorance-arrogance angle at play that most people don't want to think about or acknowledge.

Beyond that, for your COP 1.7 claim, did you take it further than just reporting more power out than power in?  You have an AC waveform on the input an an AC waveform on the output.  In theory you should be able to point to your scope trace and say, "this part of the output waveform is where the free energy manifests itself.  "Strangely enough" that is never done.

Ultimately I would hope that this all can become a positive learning experience for you and for the others following the thread.  Real Life in Real Time is going to show you the truth.  Then you can go back to transformer theory in the books and see how they got it right.

Seriously, there is a kind of philosophical angle to consider here.  How do I fit into the big picture and does what I do stand out and break new ground or am I just going through the learning steps of life?  Am I being too arrogant and prejudging where I fit into the overall scheme of things?  Where am I without understanding the fabric of learning that already supports me in my quest?

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 26, 2015, 02:16:21 AM
TinselKoala should shoot for a part time job in recycling.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 02:35:06 AM
MileHigh:

My ulterior motive in requesting that people do good replications is then you will have to face the hard data generated by the real experiments.  I am assuming that you would then ask the replicators to make some tweaks but the tweaks won't help that much.

I know what your motives are MiileHigh! How would you know if your not doing the experiments?

Why is it that "Free Energy" has been so illusive for so many people for so long? For so many reasons, some I have covered already!

Imagine five people try and get under unity results.  Then you are motivated to get your setup out of the box and do your own tests.  We will imagine for the sake of argument that someone spots a flaw in your test and measurement setup and once corrected, your results are similar to the others.

I stated: "For every one device that works, expect 10 devices that don’t. But, don’t give up, keep trying." Page: 33 Second Paragraph!

You, like others seem to have some amazing myth that simply throwing three coils and sticking an AC input is going to work? Really, you need to re-think the entire thing!

It doesn't work like this! Its a Living Beast with a Heart Beat! One needs to bring it to life! Not expect it to Live!




Please don't expect! Just because your Expectations are too high especially when you're not prepared to do the work!





You made reference to a friend of yours getting over unity in his or her experiment.  Then it's kind of like we are in "Magic Mushroom Land" where free energy is just sprouting up like mushrooms in a damp wet bog.  The problem is that we are not in the bog or in Oz or Kansas - it's just Real Time Reality all the time!

I am glad to see you have all the terminology correct here! Well done! You've surpassed all expectations I had for you!

On another note, it's just impossible for something like this to have gone unnoticed.  If it was true you would have commercial-scale magic transformer power production facilities right now, along with fridge-sized "home power boxes."  It's almost metaphysically impossible for what you are suggesting to have gone unnoticed.  So there is that ignorance-arrogance angle at play that most people don't want to think about or acknowledge.

I am again glad you've pointed this out! I have a list of Names for you:
Clemente Figuera,
T Henry Moray,
Lester Hendershot,
Raymond Kromrey,
Stanley Meyer,
Paul Raymond Jensen,
Floyd Sweet,
Earl Koenig,
Alexander Frolov,
Andrey Melnichenko,
Mishail1971,
Bill Alek,

and many hundreds more.

Un-noticed or is the problem more like a Blind Ignorance to Possibility!

Beyond that, for your COP 1.7 claim, did you take it further than just reporting more power out than power in?  You have an AC waveform on the input an an AC waveform on the output.  In theory you should be able to point to your scope trace and say, "this part of the output waveform is where the free energy manifests itself.  "Strangely enough" that is never done.

Asumptions: "In theory" "should be able" - Please give me a break - Get on the bench and do some work!

Ultimately I would hope that this all can become a positive learning experience for you and for the others following the thread.  Real Life in Real Time is going to show you the truth.  Then you can go back to transformer theory in the books and see how they got it right.

MileHigh, have you learnt anything from our conversations? A Vector Potential, How Electrical Energy is Really Pumped to the Terminals of a Generator? Have YOU learned anything? I bet not! You have all the knowledge you need and can carry, you don't need anymore!

Have YOU learned anything?

Seriously, there is a kind of philosophical angle to consider here.  How do I fit into the big picture and does what I do stand out and break new ground or am I just going through the learning steps of life?  Am I being too arrogant and prejudging where I fit into the overall scheme of things?  Where am I without understanding the fabric of learning that already supports me in my quest?

The philosophical angle you talk of, is to make all this go away! Isnt it MileHigh!

Look, the Light that provides Light, just behind you, Light, from Electrical Energy, that comes from an "Electrical Generator" many miles away - Has been around for many decades! How can you be in denial of all these simple well known concepts that you and most others don't even know how it really works!

Maybe its not about being "philosophical" maybe its about "Simplicity" and not over complicating simple already well known fundamentals in science!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: tinman on January 26, 2015, 02:38:12 AM
Ah, the old "Paid Shill" ploy is being used.  This happens when someone has no leg left to stand on.  Typical and, predictable.

The only muddying of the waters going on here is this entire thread.  Of course you would ask anyone that knows better to leave and stop posting as it would detract from your fantasy pseudo-science explanations that some here are actually believing.

I have been asked to leave nicer places than this.  But, usually when that happens, it is being asked by someone that actually knows what he/she is talking about.

Bill

PS  Please post to us where TK has ever "lied" as you have claimed.  I have been on this forum for many, many years and I can not seem to recall where TK has ever "lied" about anything.   You said he has done this 2 times so, this should be easy for you to at least post one of his "lies".
I remember back in the days of UFOpolotic's newly discovered electric motor rewind pattern on energetic forum. He gave the big shout of OU galor,and hundreds came running lol. The first OU event with his newly wound electric motor was in the form of running light bulb's :D
Then came the prony brake test to check HP/watts out to watts in. Well there again he showed a 132% efficiency--OU for sure was the cry. People were rushing out all over the place to buy these motor kit's,and i just couldnt stand back and watch any longer. So off i went and spent $150.00 odd on digital scales and parts to build a prony brake setup.I took a standard 24 volt DC PM motor,and ran the prony brake test that UFOpolotics ran-->and what do you know,my motor was also 140 odd % efficient :D. The down side ofcourse was that UFOpolotics carried out the prony brake test incorrectly-he added the deflection force insted of subtracting it from the total of the two scales.

So guess what that got me-->yep,not only was i kicked out of the thread,Arron the rookie kicked me out of the forum lol. Im guessing he seen his dollar signs starting to disappear from the new book sales-->the secrets of alien wound motors :D
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 02:41:06 AM
TinselKoala should shoot for a part time job in recycling.

Hey Synchro1,

Seems there are some that already have a Job here! Helping or hindering others, currently I would tend to view it as the later!

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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 26, 2015, 02:44:12 AM
Hey Synchro1,

Seems there are some that already have a Job here! Helping or hindering others, currently I would tend to view it as the later!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

Once again, the "Paid Shill" ploy rears its ugly head.  What does this tell us?

Bill

PS  Personally, I do not think that Chris actually believes this, the man is not stupid, quite intelligent actually....it is just a ploy used when you have no real comeback.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 26, 2015, 02:47:11 AM
The pattern is to hound people with non conventional ideas until they reach the point of frustration until they vanish.

Why else would the persist with this after being politely asked to but out...added to that the fact that NOT ONE MEMBER desires their input...outside the forum's clueless resident wannabe of course.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 02:54:56 AM
I remember back in the days of UFOpolotic's newly discovered electric motor rewind pattern on energetic forum. He gave the big shout of OU galor,and hundreds came running lol. The first OU event with his newly wound electric motor was in the form of running light bulb's :D
Then came the prony brake test to check HP/watts out to watts in. Well there again he showed a 132% efficiency--OU for sure was the cry. People were rushing out all over the place to buy these motor kit's,and i just couldnt stand back and watch any longer. So off i went and spent $150.00 odd on digital scales and parts to build a prony brake setup.I took a standard 24 volt DC PM motor,and ran the prony brake test that UFOpolotics ran-->and what do you know,my motor was also 140 odd % efficient :D. The down side ofcourse was that UFOpolotics carried out the prony brake test incorrectly-he added the deflection force insted of subtracting it from the total of the two scales.

So guess what that got me-->yep,not only was i kicked out of the thread,Arron the rookie kicked me out of the forum lol. Im guessing he seen his dollar signs starting to disappear from the new book sales-->the secrets of alien wound motors :D

Hey Tinman,

Yes, I remember! RomeroUK, UFOPolitics and so many more! UFOPolitics and his CFL's...  :o

Look, I did Post in some of the UFOPol... stuff. I regret what I posted to be honest! I look back on this now and see that I very well might have been wrong!

I think there is a percentage of stuff that comes out and its real, valid, it does work - The problem is, many do not understand How, Why and where to start pointing others interested in also replicating.

Energy is Matter! E = MC^2

Magnetic Fields and Electric Fields interact with Matter!

I have already explained so much on this thread, to be honest I have spent WAY too much time on this and its time I just don't have!

I have said it before and provided the reading material - "The Sea of Energy in which the Earth Floats"

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 02:58:47 AM
The pattern is to hound people with non conventional ideas until they reach the point of frustration until they vanish.

Why else would the persist with this after being politely asked to but out...added to that the fact that NOT ONE MEMBER desires their input...outside the forum's clueless resident wannabe of course.

Regards...


Hahaha Cap-Z-ro you're exactly Right!

People seek answers, they are right there! 20 Pages of answers, but do they want to use and learn them?

No, a Silver Platter, with a work order is what they want! Only a few willing to actually do the work!

Too lazy to do it for themselves, at the first sign of failure, they give up!

It must be learned, not demanded!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 03:05:18 AM
I remember back in the days of UFOpolotic's newly discovered electric motor rewind pattern on energetic forum. He gave the big shout of OU galor,and hundreds came running lol. The first OU event with his newly wound electric motor was in the form of running light bulb's :D
Then came the prony brake test to check HP/watts out to watts in. Well there again he showed a 132% efficiency--OU for sure was the cry. People were rushing out all over the place to buy these motor kit's,and i just couldnt stand back and watch any longer. So off i went and spent $150.00 odd on digital scales and parts to build a prony brake setup.I took a standard 24 volt DC PM motor,and ran the prony brake test that UFOpolotics ran-->and what do you know,my motor was also 140 odd % efficient :D. The down side ofcourse was that UFOpolotics carried out the prony brake test incorrectly-he added the deflection force insted of subtracting it from the total of the two scales.

So guess what that got me-->yep,not only was i kicked out of the thread,Arron the rookie kicked me out of the forum lol. Im guessing he seen his dollar signs starting to disappear from the new book sales-->the secrets of alien wound motors :D

P.S: Tinman, youre right on the Magnets: see attached Doc.

How can this possibly be debated! Its Visual PROOF!!! It clearly fits all the NEW Accepted Model of the solar System and everything!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 26, 2015, 03:21:43 AM
Bill,


Both are Lies!

1: I never said anything about the Input being in Phase - TK Lie!
2: I tried to provide some information but Ignorance and Arrogance got in the way! I ended the exchange - TK Lie!

Bill - Please leave the thread! I can sense you're not a bad bloke, just looking for something you're not sure of.

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

Don't forget that I have those scopeshots, and your statement that the signals are IN PHASE, when they clearly are 180 degrees out of phase. Would you like me to post the shots and the correspondence? I do not fear your threats. I honor my word to you but if you are going to call me a liar, then I consider all my commitments to you null and void.

I see on reviewing the messages that you might have been talking about some other signals that you have not shown when you say "in phase". But it is clear in our correspondence that the signals that you DID show are 180 degrees out of phase, which I noted at the time, told you about, and you did not trouble yourself to address that point at the time.

You ended the exchange, rather than addressing my valid points, after I pointed out the deficiencies in what you were telling me. This is the equivalent of stomping your feet and holding your breath until you turn blue: (There are some continuity issues in the text in the image below due to the improper use of the quote function by EMJunkie, leaving out HIS quotes to which I am responding.)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 03:24:39 AM
Don't forget that I have those scopeshots, and your statement that the signals are IN PHASE, when they clearly are 180 degrees out of phase. Would you like me to post the shots and the correspondence? I do not fear your threats. I honor my word to you but if you are going to call me a liar, then I consider all my commitments to you null and void.

I see on reviewing the messages that you might have been talking about some other signals that you have not shown when you say "in phase". But it is clear in our correspondence that the signals that you DID show are 180 degrees out of phase, which I noted at the time, told you about, and you did not trouble yourself to address that point at the time.

You ended the exchange, rather than addressing my valid points, after I pointed out the deficiencies in what you were telling me. This is the equivalent of stomping your feet and holding your breath until you turn blue:

Hahaha I knew you would go down this path....

Good luck with your attempts to make me look like a villain!

I bet in a few days that you regret this decision  ;)

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 26, 2015, 03:36:24 AM
Hahaha I knew you would go down this path....

Good luck with your attempts to make me look like a villain!

I bet in a few days that you regret this decision  ;)

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

Geeze Chris, is that a threat?  Or are you going to publish something that proves what you are saying is true?

Come on man, we are all friends here...sure we fight, bicker and argue but...in the end, we are all on the same side.  TK and these other fellows can actually help you. (Great Scott!  I now sound like Chet.)  I know that you are not a bad person...but, i am telling you that some of these smart guys here can help you try to get to where you want to be.  If they tell you that you are delusional, don't be insulted.  Just try to re-think what it is you think you are trying to do.

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 03:53:56 AM
Geeze Chris, is that a threat?  Or are you going to publish something that proves what you are saying is true?

Come on man, we are all friends here...sure we fight, bicker and argue but...in the end, we are all on the same side.  TK and these other fellows can actually help you. (Great Scott!  I now sound like Chet.)  I know that you are not a bad person...but, i am telling you that some of these smart guys here can help you try to get to where you want to be.  If they tell you that you are delusional, don't be insulted.  Just try to re-think what it is you think you are trying to do.

Bill

No Bill, No we are not ALL on the same side! Clearly!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 04:12:27 AM
@ALL,

I have given you all the Holly Grail - Fully Explained!

There is not a single bit of Magical Mystical Voo-Doo Bullshit, that gets implied by Morons, to make this Tech Work!

Everything is there laid out for you!

Its now up to you!!! Yes YOU!!!

I am done here, time to fly the Coup before this thread turns to Porridge, its already Oats and Milk, thanks to a few that spoil is for all!

Some of you have my private details! I am happy to help privately! Not in-front of idiots!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 26, 2015, 04:16:10 AM
@ALL,



Some of you have my private details! I am happy to help privately! Not in-front of idiots!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

Idiots?  Now that might be a bit harsh.

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 26, 2015, 04:39:01 AM
It appears that congrats are in order to the trolls, shill, and the forum's resident arse kisser, they have managed to discourage another poster of fresh ideas.

I truly have to wonder what is the real purpose of this forum...is it here solely to lure in the out of the box thinkers, so that they can be driven into a state where they are no longer interested in sharing their work ?


I don't know about the rest of you good folks on here, but i am sick and tired of these bastards.

Since it is obvious that nothing will be permitted to progress beyond the presentation stage here...and Stefan doesn't appear to care what these miscreants are doing in this forum, what purpose does it serve ?

So, don't be surprised if ol' Cap may start to get little rough (far rougher than before) with them...until Stefan decides its time to do some house cleaning.

Whether it comes down to them being banned or whether its me, i am at the point where I don't much care anymore.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: wistiti on January 26, 2015, 04:45:10 AM
hi Em, sky and the other serious builder!
here is a photo of my ferrite rod version(sorry it's a bit messy)
I drive the trigger coil with a reed switch. input is a 1.1v deplete battery i rectify the output and it give me around 6 v depend where i place the magnet vs the reed switch. The best output is obtain with the second way you show of connecting the bucking...
Em you said it is best to connect resistive load on the output... Do you think i could try to charge the drive battery with it?
I am verry sad about how your tread are going and see you loose your time by repling to the inslut... If you start at an other forum; please let me know.
Ciao!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 26, 2015, 04:45:53 AM
I see yet another useless posting from Crap-Z-ro no doubt.  I am so happy that I can not read them.  I just observe that he chimes in probably
with more sexual innuendos, inane banter and off-topic rants.  If he is insulting me, someone please let me know via pm.  If he is just being his stupid self, then...let him rant and show who he really is. 

Oh wait, he has already done that.

Never mind.

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: EMJunkie on January 26, 2015, 04:47:48 AM
Don't forget that I have those scopeshots, and your statement that the signals are IN PHASE, when they clearly are 180 degrees out of phase. Would you like me to post the shots and the correspondence? I do not fear your threats. I honor my word to you but if you are going to call me a liar, then I consider all my commitments to you null and void.

I see on reviewing the messages that you might have been talking about some other signals that you have not shown when you say "in phase". But it is clear in our correspondence that the signals that you DID show are 180 degrees out of phase, which I noted at the time, told you about, and you did not trouble yourself to address that point at the time.

You ended the exchange, rather than addressing my valid points, after I pointed out the deficiencies in what you were telling me. This is the equivalent of stomping your feet and holding your breath until you turn blue: (There are some continuity issues in the text in the image below due to the improper use of the quote function by EMJunkie, leaving out HIS quotes to which I am responding.)

@ALL,

TinselKoala has lied, he clearly is incapable of helping anyone!

unless you would like to view it as: (In a calm quiet devious Voice) "Come here my Son, I can help you See! By poking your two good eyes out!"

This person is dangerour to all the community here at OU.com! He is a Liar! I said, if the Load is Resistive the phase must be in phase! You dumb Dickhead!!!

Post what you wish TinselKoala - I don't care, you know why? Because nearly everyone here knows already what an IDIOT YOU ARE!

Bill, youre not in that bunch yet, see you don't let yourself get there!

I am going to "http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php)" Where Idiots CANNOT enter and post! Look for the same thread soon!

There are at least 5 or 7 really good guys here. Move and read the thread's over there! Contact me via my website if you need to if you haven't already got my details!

ou.com is ruined! Connection problems and Trolls have ruined it! Its been ruined for a long time!

@Wistiti - Nice Work Brother!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: SkyWatcher123 on January 26, 2015, 04:52:11 AM
Hi folks, I don't know what any of you are talking about.
Ever heard of ignoring someone.
On the internet, you have full capacity to do that, not withstanding the ignore feature not properly working on this site for some reason.
Emjunkie, i am thankful for your intent to share, however, I do not understand your willingness to be so easily distracted.
Sticks and stones may break our bones, but names or words can never hurt us, unless we allow them to do so.
peace love light
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 04:55:05 AM
Chris:

Quote
I have given you all the Holly Grail - Fully Explained!

There is not a single bit of Magical Mystical Voo-Doo Bullshit, that gets implied by Morons, to make this Tech Work!

What Holy Grail?  You know, it was just a bunch of talk, and a good chunk of it did not make sense.  People deride people like me for just being talkers.  But it's different in your case because you are putting forth a proposition, and you have your transformer, and you have the lab equipment, and clearly you had the time to set it up and go beyond just talking.  Considering the amount of time you spent on this thread you had more than enough time to make the measurements and present your data showing COP 1.7.

I am going to remind you that you were not capable to answer a question about a circuit that consisted of a power supply and one single component.  The single component was a coil.  So that puts your credibility about this proposition in serious doubt.  All that I wanted was for someone to generate valid data because that valid data would refute your claim.

Sorry, we just can't live in a world where people make wild claims and then refuse to back up their claims with valid data and a valid explanation for that data.  You can spin all you want like the worst politician on Earth.  It still doesn't change the truth.

Instead of running away, why not just do your experiment and present your data?  It should not be that hard.  You go into the bloody Twilight Zone when you refuse to back up your own claim with your own data.  Are you afraid of presenting your data when you know that there are some very qualified and reasonably qualified people to scrutinize it?  You are not a special case and your data will be scrutinized just like everybody else's data would be scrutinized.

You saw how the EEVblog guy ripped apart that guy with his pulsing inductor circuit that lit a bunch of LEDs.  The guy that presented that proposition was so out of it that he claimed that there wasn't an inductor in the circuit.  16 years of research and they put you on the day shift?  Honestly, you are not looking much different than the guy with his "over unity" LED lighting circuit.

Don't even dare "blame the naysayers" if you run away.  You are just running away from yourself.  You come here, make a claim, encourage people to replicate, and then run away when people start to question if you really are Nobel Prize material or just another self-taught guy that thinks he knows what he is doing but the reality comes out in the discussion that it's mostly bluff and you actually don't know what you are doing.

Instead of running away, just do your experiment and present your data.  You have already invested five times as much time on this thread as compared to how much time it would take to do your experiment and present your data.

About four years ago Aaron tried to replicate the Rosemary Ainslie circuit.  Even though he had been playing with a scope for about 10 years, it quickly became apparent that he was clueless.  He was so clueless that he couldn't even tell when his scope was triggering or not.  The poor guy had steam rising from the top of his head and it felt like he was going to have a meltdown.

You can't "play engineer," you just can't.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 26, 2015, 05:01:18 AM
I see yet another useless posting from Crap-Z-ro no doubt.  I am so happy that I can not read them.  I just observe that he chimes in probably
with more sexual innuendos, inane banter and off-topic rants.  If he is insulting me, someone please let me know via pm.  If he is just being his stupid self, then...let him rant and show who he really is. 

Oh wait, he has already done that.

Never mind.

Bill

More stuff drips from the mouth of the closet homosexual resident forum arse kisser...and proven idiot.

Regards...



Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 05:07:31 AM
It appears that congrats are in order to the trolls, shill, and the forum's resident arse kisser, they have managed to discourage another poster of fresh ideas.

I truly have to wonder what is the real purpose of this forum...is it here solely to lure in the out of the box thinkers, so that they can be driven into a state where they are no longer interested in sharing their work ?


I don't know about the rest of you good folks on here, but i am sick and tired of these bastards.

Since it is obvious that nothing will be permitted to progress beyond the presentation stage here...and Stefan doesn't appear to care what these miscreants are doing in this forum, what purpose does it serve ?

So, don't be surprised if ol' Cap may start to get little rough (far rougher than before) with them...until Stefan decides its time to do some house cleaning.

Whether it comes down to them being banned or whether its me, i am at the point where I don't much care anymore.

Regards...

That's just the Captain Zero broken record routine.  I want Chris to present his data but he is feigning a reality distortion zone pretending that he doesn't have to.

If you had any real backbone, even if you disagree with people like me, you would also ask Chris to back up his claims and show his experiment and show his test methodologies and show his data.

But you don't really have any backbone.  You just want to whine in the corner and be miserable about how tough life is.  You just want the whole free energy world to be your guinea pig, whether they are smart or clueless newbies that might bump into a "discovery" while they are groping around in the dark.

You are just another contradiction, and a foul-mouthed one at that.  You want to see free energy?  Then have the bloody guts to ask the endless stream of claimants to present their data.  Can your brain process that?   At least we should be on the same page for that.

Now you can go sulk in the corner for the 78th time.  Boo Hoo.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 05:18:34 AM
Hi folks, I don't know what any of you are talking about.
Ever heard of ignoring someone.
On the internet, you have full capacity to do that, not withstanding the ignore feature not properly working on this site for some reason.
Emjunkie, i am thankful for your intent to share, however, I do not understand your willingness to be so easily distracted.
Sticks and stones may break our bones, but names or words can never hurt us, unless we allow them to do so.
peace love light

How about you too have the bloody guts to ask Chris to show his data to back up his claim?  That is the main reason we are here.  If someone has an allegedly over unity circuit, you too should ask that person for their data.

Peace, love, light, and TRUTH.

Do you get that?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 26, 2015, 05:22:30 AM
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Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MarkE on January 26, 2015, 05:23:13 AM
@ALL,

I have given you all the Holly Grail - Fully Explained!

There is not a single bit of Magical Mystical Voo-Doo Bullshit, that gets implied by Morons, to make this Tech Work!
Are you therefore claiming that you have "made this Tech work"?  If so where are reliable measurements that establish that it does work as you claim?  And if you aren't claiming that you have made it work, then why haven't you done so?
Quote

Everything is there laid out for you!

Its now up to you!!! Yes YOU!!!

I am done here, time to fly the Coup before this thread turns to Porridge, its already Oats and Milk, thanks to a few that spoil is for all!

Some of you have my private details! I am happy to help privately! Not in-front of idiots!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MarkE on January 26, 2015, 05:25:21 AM
hi Em, sky and the other serious builder!
here is a photo of my ferrite rod version(sorry it's a bit messy)
I drive the trigger coil with a reed switch. input is a 1.1v deplete battery i rectify the output and it give me around 6 v depend where i place the magnet vs the reed switch. The best output is obtain with the second way you show of connecting the bucking...
Em you said it is best to connect resistive load on the output... Do you think i could try to charge the drive battery with it?
I am verry sad about how your tread are going and see you loose your time by repling to the inslut... If you start at an other forum; please let me know.
Ciao!
So have you measured the efficiency of your rig?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 26, 2015, 05:25:24 AM
Quote from: MileHigh on Today at 05:07:31 AM (http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg434986/#msg434986)

That's just the Captain Zero broken record routine.  I want Chris to present his data but he is feigning a reality distortion zone pretending that he doesn't have to.

If you had any real backbone, even if you disagree with people like me, you would also ask Chris to back up his claims and show his experiment and show his test methodologies and show his data.

But you don't really have any backbone.  You just want to whine in the corner and be miserable about how tough life is.  You just want the whole free energy world to be your guinea pig, whether they are smart or clueless newbies that might bump into a "discovery" while they are groping around in the dark.

You are just another contradiction, and a foul-mouthed one at that.  You want to see free energy?  Then have the bloody guts to ask the endless stream of claimants to present their data.  Can your brain process that?   At least we should be on the same page for that.

Now you can go sulk in the corner for the 78th time.  Boo Hoo.
................


When its the trolls himself who cries when called what he is...a troll.

When the trolls gather to celebrate discouraging another bearer of new concepts, I'm betting they hold other things besides hands at their parties.

Being mocked by a big mouth troll...extrermely low on my list of pet peeves.

Now I suppose he's going to start whining to Stefan about me calling him a troll...for the umpteenth time.

Regards...
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 26, 2015, 05:30:41 AM
So have you measured the efficiency of your rig?

Don't take the troll's bait.

Just go on like he's not there.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 26, 2015, 05:36:44 AM
Scratch up another Scorch!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 05:37:28 AM
Quote
When its the trolls himself who cries when called what he is...a troll.

When the trolls gather to celebrate discouraging another bearer of new concepts, I'm betting they hold other things besides hands at their parties.

Being mocked by a big mouth troll...extrermely low on my list of pet peeves.

Now I suppose he's going to start whining to Stefan about me calling him a troll...for the umpteenth time.

Regards...

And you have a troll fetish and you won't respect a reasonable request to stop it.  Just like your foul mouth shows how you have very little self respect or respect for others.

Quote
another bearer of new concepts

You have admitted that you are not qualified to make those calls.  I didn't see any new concepts.  I just saw a guy playing with a transformer.  After qualifying Chris, it looks to me like he probably tripped himself up when making his measurements.  In fact, I doubt that he is even qualified to make his measurements.

Now, if he presented some clips showing his test process and his data, there is a fair to good chance one of the experts around here would have spotted his mistake.  Chris would have learned something, then retracted his claim, and everybody would be better off for having followed through on the testing.

But no, it's just the "believe me" game that he played.   And now we have Big Bad Captain Zero to worry about?  You can always open your own police state forum if you want.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 26, 2015, 05:44:00 AM
Scratch up another Scorch!

Yeah, the trolls gagged another one...with the incompetent assistance from their eager arse kisser.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 26, 2015, 05:52:16 AM
And you have a troll fetish and you won't respect a reasonable request to stop it...you have very little self respect or respect for others.

Hypocrisy is the most prominent feature of the common troll.

This doosh was asked politely on numerous occasions to leave this thread by the author, but of course he couldn't, because he would not get paid.


Quote
And now we have Big Bad Captain Zero to worry about?

He means 'to whine about'.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 26, 2015, 06:18:29 AM
Captain Zero:

I don't recall Chris specifically asking me to leave.  And you clearly saw how he respected a lot of my postings including recent ones.  So you are just spinning like a politician.

I think it's also important to remind you that in overall scheme of things that this web forum is an amoeba that government and the energy sector don't even know exists.  That is my take on it.  So your double-naught spy fantasies are just that - fantasies.  Nobody is paid to be on here, that is totally ridiculous.

You want to get some attention from the government bots that patrol the Internet, including this web site?  Start posting some stuff about the Middle East and all of that stuff.  Post that you want to do something nasty and you need some advice.  Then the bots will flag an agent, for sure.

But we don't talk about that and so we remain an insignificant blip on the Internet that nobody knows anything about and nobody cares about.

And I have posted multiple times about countries like Germany where the major shake-up in the way energy is produced and consumed is happening right now and I have never heard a single peep from you about that. Those facts nullify your spy fantasies so I assume you can't deal with them.

You want to imagine you are helping out Jethro Bodine double-naught spy by pointing out the "shills."  It's all just a silly fantasy in your head.  You look just as ridiculous as Jethro.

Your whole shtick is just a silly fantasy Captain Zero.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 26, 2015, 06:38:56 AM
Each and every troll was asked to leave...including this one...not surprisingly, all requests were ignored.

Who is this doosh trying to convince ?

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 26, 2015, 10:10:44 AM

Emjunkie, i am thankful for your intent to share, however, I do not understand your willingness to be so easily distracted.
Sticks and stones may break our bones, but names or words can never hurt us, unless we allow them to do so.
peace love light

I couldn't express it better... It would be a big mistake if you leave this forum EmJunkie. What you will manage by that is to take the problems with you. Why you care so much about the criticism? Can't you just ignore it and move on? Anyway it is your decision. What ever you will do just inform us please because there people here willing to experiment with your ideas.

Thanks
Jeg
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 26, 2015, 11:47:46 AM
I couldn't express it better... It would be a big mistake if you leave this forum EmJunkie. What you will manage by that is to take the problems with you. Why you care so much about the criticism? Can't you just ignore it and move on? Anyway it is your decision. What ever you will do just inform us please because there people here willing to experiment with your ideas.

Thanks
Jeg

I agree too. Stop feeding disputes, and let´s move onto the really important thing.

For those who want to see the most simple application of this principle research about Garry Stanley anti-lenz coil http://www.energeticforum.com/showthread.php?t=5911&page=2 (http://www.energeticforum.com/showthread.php?t=5911&page=2)

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The basis of this motor is effectively a centertap coil with one half removed and refitted the other way round this changes the direction of current flow in the half turned around so it can function as it did, this also most importantly changes the direction of induced flow in this coil which means that the 2 halves of the coil are now opposing each other in the induction or generator mode and thus they cancel each other out equally to nothing.


“People who say it cannot be done should not interrupt those who are doing it.”   ( George Bernard Shaw )
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: nelsonrochaa on January 26, 2015, 02:55:52 PM





Chris , understand a thing:
The persons that talks  in a not constructive way are all the same;) in this fórum, but you have  to ignore , this persons dont need your help because  are  masters in knowlege dont you see?
This guys know everthing, but  people like me and other persons in this fórum like learn and test with other type of  information like you share.
Tesla and others in story have the same type of problems to probe their teories and now in presente day people study their work.
This is a fórum to talk about this type of subjects and it is sad that type of people wont to other persons can enjoy this information.
I dont now  how this Clever guys loose their time in this topic if know that information is scrap.
Thanks for the information onde more time.

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 26, 2015, 03:18:41 PM
Hi,

I am really enthusiatic with this project because I see that this bucking coils concept is embedded into many designs of overunity devices.

In Chris website, hyiq.org, he posted a long video (45 min.) about the Bill Alek prototype (Auroratek). I have extracted here the most important minute of that video. Please see why counter-rotation (CW + CCW) compensate each other. Just extrapolate this into the Lenz Law of two secondaries in relation to the primary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcks2fcpHUk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcks2fcpHUk)

Chris, do not worry about naysayers. As Don Quixote said: "Dogs are barking. Therefore we should be getting closer."

Regards
can you please link to this video, don't know where to find it on hyiq.org

Thanks
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: alan on January 26, 2015, 03:20:56 PM
Never mind, found it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddj85px00lM
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Jeg on January 26, 2015, 05:43:15 PM


For those who want to see the most simple application of this principle research about Garry Stanley anti-lenz coil http://www.energeticforum.com/showthread.php?t=5911&page=2 (http://www.energeticforum.com/showthread.php?t=5911&page=2)

Thanks Hanon
According to Chris cw and ccw arrangement will work better. See attachment.


Ps. See also here the first image going down
http://overunity.com/8219/don-smiths-device-9/#.VMZyB5X9lLM
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Magluvin on January 26, 2015, 07:14:59 PM
I will be putting a couple coil setups together here soon.  Things just got real busy for a bit. 

One thing that has me going, is the reason for the coils to be wound in opposing directions.  Most all of the simplest drawings seem to have, to me anyway, the idea of 1 layer windings.  So this indicates to me that, if the 2 oppositely wound coils are electrically connected in the middle, then there is a couple ways things will happen.  If a primary wound outside the coils, set in the middle, the field in the 2 opposing coils will be north on one end and south on the other, straight through.  The charge on each coil will be say + on the outer ends and - in the middle, for each coil.  So this is an odd charge deal going on. Bucking Charge, in the middle.   Is this something we should look into as a part of understanding if the bucking charge in the middle is helpful in any way, or not? Utkin shows this charge as if there are 2 round capacitor plates between the 2 opposing coils.

Layering the windings would reduce the charge differences at the ends of each coil, so possibly a single layer would be the best to try first, in hopes that this bucking charge effect might become more obvious as to what is going on. ;)

Then there is bucking fields, and the charge across the coils are in series, a through charge, non bucking.

Looked into that stuff for a bit a ways back. But some things are becoming more clear. Hopefully. ;)

Gota git. Be back later

Mags
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 26, 2015, 08:18:25 PM
Message to trolls:

  But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.

W.B. Yeats (1865–1939)

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 26, 2015, 09:03:31 PM
Space Quanta Modulator:
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MarkE on January 26, 2015, 09:30:09 PM
Message to trolls:

  But I, being poor, have only my dreams;
I have spread my dreams under your feet;
Tread softly because you tread on my dreams.

W.B. Yeats (1865–1939)
There are among other things:  visions, dreams, and fantasies.  All arise from the creative imagination of man.  The visions and dreams that are sensitive to nature's truth can with effort and persistence become realizable.  Fantasies that attempt to defy nature, crash upon her unforgiving shoals.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 26, 2015, 10:00:46 PM
There are among other things:  visions, dreams, and fantasies.  All arise from the creative imagination of man.  The visions and dreams that are sensitive to nature's truth can with effort and persistence become realizable.  Fantasies that attempt to defy nature, crash upon her unforgiving shoals.

You make me sick!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 26, 2015, 10:07:02 PM
If I don´t believe in Witches I will never get into a Witches forum.

If I don´t like handball I will never get into a handball forum.


Let´s go back to the technical side!!   :D    8)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 26, 2015, 10:45:25 PM
There are among other things:  visions, dreams, and fantasies.  All arise from the creative imagination of man.  The visions and dreams that are sensitive to nature's truth can with effort and persistence become realizable.  Fantasies that attempt to defy nature, crash upon her unforgiving shoals.

How was it with Jules Verne in his time? ;) Was he dreamer?  Was he right? ;)

Btw- there is a free bite. Even that solar panel is a device which transforms electromagnetic wave (which light is)  so why not to extend the spectrum of frequencies . We are bombarded by the waves from the space. And just because people failing to achieve the result doesn't mean they are wrong. Who was thinking 150 years ago the plane - heavier of air- can fly? if you lived in that time people would lough to you just like some do righ here right now. The word " Idiots" was used at the right place :)
 If you you are looser at least have a respect to others.  The RESPECT. It is not so hard, you know.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: shylo on January 27, 2015, 12:57:37 AM
What ever we perceive, we can conceive .Thats just the way it works
It just takes time.
Try not being so greedy.
Good luck to all people trying.
artv
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MarkE on January 27, 2015, 01:17:09 AM
How was it with Jules Verne in his time? ;) Was he dreamer?  Was he right? ;)
Did he attempt to defy nature?
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Btw- there is a free bite. Even that solar panel is a device which transforms electromagnetic wave (which light is)  so why not to extend the spectrum of frequencies .
Why indeed there are complex cells that collect from multiple frequency spectra.
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We are bombarded by the waves from the space. And just because people failing to achieve the result doesn't mean they are wrong. Who was thinking 150 years ago the plane - heavier of air- can fly? if you lived in that time people would lough to you just like some do righ here right now. The word " Idiots" was used at the right place :)
So you think that no one noticed that heavier than air birds flew before 1908?  What falls apart here againa and again isn't the wild idea.  It is the wild idea offered without supporting evidence.  Do you see the difference?
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If you you are looser at least have a respect to others.  The RESPECT. It is not so hard, you know.
Respecting the truth is a good thing. Respecting logical thought is a good thing.  Harboring fantasies that have no reliable evidence behind them?  It's hard to think of a good reason to support that.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 01:32:50 AM
How was it with Jules Verne in his time? ;) Was he dreamer?  Was he right? ;)

Btw- there is a free bite. Even that solar panel is a device which transforms electromagnetic wave (which light is)  so why not to extend the spectrum of frequencies . We are bombarded by the waves from the space. And just because people failing to achieve the result doesn't mean they are wrong. Who was thinking 150 years ago the plane - heavier of air- can fly? if you lived in that time people would lough to you just like some do righ here right now. The word " Idiots" was used at the right place :)
 If you you are looser at least have a respect to others.  The RESPECT. It is not so hard, you know.

John:

Relative to your previous post why would you call me a troll?  It's a serious question.  Isn't a troll someone that harasses someone, makes stupid off-topic postings, and hurls insults and unjustified derision at someone all the time?

Do I really do that?

Look, I asked Chris serious questions, challenged him on his proposition, asked him for supporting video clips and for test data.  Is that trolling?  If you call that trolling then you have some serious problems with thinking things through.  In fact, among the hard core supporters of free energy, they have redefined the word "troll" to mean "someone that disagrees with me or someone that asks serious and legitimate questions."

I think you are calling me a troll for the same old reason, peer pressure.  You are simply afraid.

Let me ask you this question.  Supposing you and your wife are shopping for a house.  Do you want to see the bathrooms?  Do you want to see the kitchen?  Do you want to check the water pressure in the bathroom and the kitchen?  Or do you just take the verbal description that the real estate agent tells you?  You and your wife are standing in the living room and you are too shy or embarrassed to walk into the kitchen and bathrooms yourselves?  Are you afraid that the real estate agent is going to be offended if you want to see the kitchen for yourselves and he or she will call you and your wife, "trolls."

"Those damn tolls, whenever I show them a house they insist on seeing the kitchen and bathrooms and they won't take my word for it."

RESPECT is a two-way street.

So, am I a troll?   Will you have the guts to answer my question?

Yes we are bombarded by radiation from space.  However, you fail to ask HOW MUCH radiation?  Probably 99.9% of the radiation bombarding us from space comes from the sun.  So you just aim your solar panels at the sun.  If your solar panels can capture and convert all of the wavelengths from the sun into electricity then great.   From what I read recently we don't have that technology at an affordable cost but perhaps one day we will.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 27, 2015, 01:33:02 AM
How was it with Jules Verne in his time? ;) Was he dreamer?  Was he right? ;)

Btw- there is a free bite. Even that solar panel is a device which transforms electromagnetic wave (which light is)  so why not to extend the spectrum of frequencies . We are bombarded by the waves from the space. And just because people failing to achieve the result doesn't mean they are wrong. Who was thinking 150 years ago the plane - heavier of air- can fly? if you lived in that time people would lough to you just like some do righ here right now. The word " Idiots" was used at the right place :)
 If you you are looser at least have a respect to others.  The RESPECT. It is not so hard, you know.

The discovery of micro-organisems was traumatic for people to witness at first in it's time. Woman fainted dead away at the microscope when paramicium suddenly appeared and darted past on the viewing slide.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 27, 2015, 01:35:57 AM
John:

Relative to your previous post why would you call me a troll?  It's a serious question.  Isn't a troll someone that harasses someone, makes stupid off-topic postings, and hurls insults and unjustified derision at someone all the time?

Do I really do that?

Look, I asked Chris serious questions, challenged him on his proposition, asked him for supporting video clips and for test data.  Is that trolling?  If you call that trolling then you have some serious problems with thinking things through.  In fact, among the hard core supporters of free energy, they have redefined the word "troll" to mean "someone that disagrees with me or someone that asks serious and legitimate questions."

I think you are calling me a troll for the same old reason, peer pressure.  You are simply afraid.

Let me ask you this question.  Supposing you and your wife are shopping for a house.  Do you want to see the bathrooms?  Do you want to see the kitchen?  Do you want to check the water pressure in the bathroom and the kitchen?  Or do you just take the verbal description that the real estate agent tells you?  You and your wife are standing in the living room and you are too shy or embarrassed to walk into the kitchen and bathrooms yourselves?  Are you afraid that the real estate agent is going to be offended if you want to see the kitchen for yourselves and he or she will call you and your wife, "trolls."

"Those damn tolls, whenever I show them a house they insist on seeing the kitchen and bathrooms and they won't take my word for it."

RESPECT is a two-way street.

So, am I a troll?   Will you have the guts to answer my question?

Yes we are bombarded by radiation from space.  However, you fail to ash HOW MUCH radiation?  Probably 99.9% of the radiation bombarding us from space comes from the sun.  So you just aim your solar panels at the sun.  If your solar panels can capture and convery all of the wavelengths from the sun into electricity then great.   From what I read recently we don't have that technology at an affordable cost but perhaps one day we will.

MileHigh

You're complete run on non stop bullshit.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 01:38:15 AM
Itsu is on board and made his first clip which is fantastic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWdPYxvEDIA&feature=youtu.be
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 01:41:01 AM
You're complete run on non stop bullshit.

No, I made a lot of sense in that posting.  The majority of people will have the capability to read it and understand it perfectly.  You are in the minority.

In fact it's your posting that meets the definition of trolling.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 02:29:47 AM
I am going to briefly discuss bucking coils.   Assume all voltages referenced will be RMS voltages.

Let's assume a 100-turn primary drive coil, a pair of bucking coils B1 and B2 that are 300 turns each.   Assume the resistance of the primary is one ohm, and the resistance of B1 and B2 are three ohms each.   Let's call the two bucking coils when viewed as a single coil B12.  Assume the primary is always driven with 10 volts.

If you drive the primary with 10 volts, then when you measure B1 only, you will measure 30 volts.  When you measure B2 only you will measure 30 volts.

If you have a perfect match between B1 and B2, then the output across B12 will be zero volts no matter what the input voltage is.

Let's assume that the two bucking coils are not a perfect match.  Let's suppose B2 is only 200 turns.  Then you will be able to get an output from B12.  The net output from B12 is based on the number of turns in B1 minus the number of turns in B2.

Therefore, B12 will look like a 100-turn coil and the output from B12 will be 10 volts.

So, if you did a straight design the secondary would have 100 turns, and the resistance of the wire would be one ohm, and the output 10 volts.

The equivalent B12 configuration will have a coil resistance of five ohms, and the output will be 10 volts.

In summary:

Straight design:  10 volts output, output coil resistance one ohm.
Bucking design:  10 volts output, output coil resistance five ohms.

As you can see, it's a no-brainer that the straight design is going to outperform the bucking coil design.

If you have leakage inductance, than that will only serve to reduce the performance of the bucking coil design even further.

That's the real deal and anybody's experiments will show this kind of behaviour.  There is no secret sauce, there is no "one in ten builds will show over unity, etc, etc."  All of the complicated mumbojumbo talk is meaningless.  What you see above is the real deal.

The above analysis is just a straight nuts and bolts design characteristics study for a transformer.  And the test data will prove this to be true.

With respect to the power out vs. power in, you can safely assume that the power out will be less than the power in no matter what load resistance or bucking configuration you try.  I am not going to go into all of the changing flux and flux self-cancellation business.  Just looking at the input voltage vs. output voltage is all that you really need to understand the characteristics of the bucking coil transformer.  It's actually a nonsensical design and I can't think of a real-world application that would call for this type of design.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 27, 2015, 02:34:12 AM
No, I made a lot of sense in that posting.  The majority of people will have the capability to read it and understand it perfectly.  You are in the minority.

In fact it's your posting that meets the definition of trolling.

It seems that I am among a plethora of people who recognize a troll when we see one.

Get ready folks, he's about to call for the waambulance...again.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: a.king21 on January 27, 2015, 03:34:09 AM
MIle High: It would be nice to see an experiment proving what you say, as my experience is that theory is only a guide and there is always the potential for anomalies, or apparent anomalies.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 27, 2015, 03:57:51 AM
Itsu is on board and made his first clip which is fantastic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWdPYxvEDIA&feature=youtu.be

@MileHigh,

It's great that Itsu is on board with his test prototype. What really sucks is that you assholes already managed to run Chris off the thread along with any meaningful help from him!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 04:04:26 AM
A.King21:

I am not set up to experiment.  However, this is standard electronics knowledge.  If you really and truly understand how a transformer actually works then you should agree with me.  There is really nothing to prove.

On the other hand, if you are not aware of this, then you can simply do a setup for yourself and explore.  Instead of just doing a replication of someone else's design, build your own bucking coils transformer and do something very close to what I describe above.   For example, when you wind the bucking coils, when you are half-way through the winding process, make a tap connection to the outside world.  Then you can explore and understand the voltage relationships yourself.   Then open up a book and read and learn how a transformer works.  There will be no anomalies.

The bucking coil transformer could be made something like this:

Primary:                                        <tap>mmmmmmm<tap>
Bucking coils:  <tap>mmmm<tap>mmmmm<center tap>wwwww<tap>wwwwww<tap>

So instead of three connections for the bucking coils you make five connections.   Just the fact that you are asking me to "prove" this shows you are a beginner in electronics.  So please consider building a transformer like I described and then explore for yourself.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: propellanttech on January 27, 2015, 04:18:06 AM
A.King21:

I am not set up to experiment.  However, this is standard electronics knowledge.  If you really and truly understand how a transformer actually works then you should agree with me.  There is really nothing to prove.

On the other hand, if you are not aware of this, then you can simply do a setup for yourself and explore.  Instead of just doing a replication of someone else's design, build your own bucking coils transformer and do something very close to what I describe above.   For example, when you wind the bucking coils, when you are half-way through the wining process, make a tap connection to the outside world.  Then you can explore and understand the voltage relationships yourself.   Then open up a book and read and learn how a transformer works.  There will be no anomalies.

The bucking coil transformer could be made something like this:

Primary:                                        <tap>mmmmmmm<tap>
Bucking coils:  <tap>mmmm<tap>mmmmm<center tap>wwwww<tap>wwwwww<tap>

So instead of three connections for the bucking coils you make five connections.   Just the fact that you are asking me to "prove" this shows you are a beginner in electronics.  So please consider building a transformer like I described and then explore for yourself.

MileHigh

You remind me of many people that can't see past what is written in a book. What I don't understand, if you don't want to find more power in these circuits, why are you here?

I think you are a scab. A person who waits for someone to make a revolutionary discovery, and then try to profit from it.

You will never do great things, for you think everything is done to the full potential possible. That is why you will never be successful with thinking outside the box. You're not able.

If you can not "experiment" yourself, you really don't warrant any consideration from anyone on this forum. You are a liability, not an asset.

James L.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 27, 2015, 05:04:16 AM
A.King21:

I am not set up to experiment.

No sh!t Sherlock 


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However, this is standard electronics knowledge.
 
There is no such thing as "standard electronics knowledge"...until the effects of the manifested magnetic field is thoroughly understood...which this doosh seems to be hell bent on preventing.


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If you really and truly understand how a transformer actually works then you should agree with me.

...who understands little apparently. 


There is really nothing to prove.

Nothing to see here, move on...where have we heard that before ?

Oh yeah, on 9/11.


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MileHigh



syncro1 quote:

" @MileHigh,

What really sucks is that you assholes already managed to run Chris off the thread along with any meaningful help for him! "


I'm losing track how many members have mentioned what assholes these dooshbags are.

Conversely, with all the mean nasty things I have posted here, the only ones that seem to mind are those very same assholes and dooshbags...along with the arse kisser to these trolls, butt pirate Bill, of course.

I wonder if its because I only disrespect those who by their conduct deserve to be disrespected.

Regards...



Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 27, 2015, 07:01:26 AM
Here's the schematic from Page 14 of EMJunkie's PDF.

Does anyone notice anything "odd" about this schematic?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Magluvin on January 27, 2015, 08:22:12 AM
Here's the schematic from Page 14 of EMJunkie's PDF.

Does anyone notice anything "odd" about this schematic?

The 0v leg and the gnd leg?   transistors - refference to sig input?

Mags
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 27, 2015, 10:05:03 AM
Here's the schematic from Page 14 of EMJunkie's PDF.

Does anyone notice anything "odd" about this schematic?

Well, transistor Q2 (drain - source) is shortened, because 0V is the same as GND.

The circuit still works because Q2 is not necessary.

Itsu is on board and made his first clip which is fantastic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWdPYxvEDIA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWdPYxvEDIA&feature=youtu.be)

I watched the video, interesting. Thank you for posting the link, the video is not visible in his video list on YouTube. May be YouTube is slow updating the lists.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: minnie on January 27, 2015, 11:15:36 AM



   Cap zero, synchro,
                              seems to me that it's the threat from good science that causes
people to "run off"!
     If nature didn't stick to the rules nothing could be relied on. I agree that there are
anomalies but they stick to their rules as well.
   A challenge to what is so far understood needs extraordinary repeatable proof.
The smaller a thing gets the greater the accuracy needed to demonstrate it. How
about we have a one milliwatt challenge. Has anyone seen an actual OU. device,
however small?
                 John.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 27, 2015, 11:32:11 AM
 MileHigh, 
 
Congratulations!!  You killed this thread. Good Job!!!  You are a great professional .
 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 27, 2015, 11:37:02 AM
(In response to my  question about the schematic above)

Well, transistor Q2 (drain - source) is shortened, because 0V is the same as GND.

The circuit still works because Q2 is not necessary.

I'm not sure. Does EMJunkie mean the "minus"  output terminal of his power supply, or the ground terminal, when he indicates "0V" ? My own regulated bench supplies do not connect the "black" or "minus" output terminal to chassis/earth ground unless they are strapped deliberately. I interpreted the schematic to mean the "minus" terminal, not the ground terminal.

What about the FG's "black" lead, shown connected to ground?

Yes, the circuit works, but I don't know at this point whether the lower mosfet is switching, shorted just as you say, or permanently ON.

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I watched the video, interesting. Thank you for posting the link, the video is not visible in his video list on YouTube. May be YouTube is slow updating the lists.

Greetings, Conrad

When I watched it it was indicated as "unlisted" which means you need to know the URL to see it, it deliberately does not show on the list of videos.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 27, 2015, 11:42:08 AM
MileHigh, 
 
Congratulations!!  You killed this thread. Good Job!!!  You are a great professional .

The thread is not "dead" and MH didn't kill it.

What may have "driven" EMJunkie away is the same thing we have seen time and time again: Someone makes a claim of OU performance and then cannot deliver evidence for the claim in the form of solid measurements, so they have no choice but to fade away in embarrassment. After delivering the usual insults to the critics, of course.

Meanwhile, others continue to build and test, and are able to duplicate all the _actual_ data from the claimant, but still don't find any evidence of OU in their work.

Where is _your_ evidence in support of EMJunkie's claims, then, hanon?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 11:46:29 AM
MileHigh, 
 
Congratulations!!  You killed this thread. Good Job!!!  You are a great professional .

Hanon, Propellanttech:

Don't give me this nonsense about "killing the thread."  If people make claims then other people have the right to ask them questions about those claims.  In fact, Chris didn't actually name me when he made his "run away" posting.   If you had some guts and used your head you too would be asking Chris for evidence of his claim.  Don't you give me this nonsensical demonization of people that are simply asking perfectly legitimate questions.

What are we here for?  We are here to explore and that means that you don't just shut up and say nothing like a mindless drone when someone makes a claim that would win him a Nobel Prize if it was actually true.  Nor do I have to do experiments in Electronics 001 to "prove" anything.  The burden of proof is on the claimant and so far the claimant has presented zero evidence to back up his claims.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 27, 2015, 11:54:27 AM
(in response to my question about the schematic above)

The 0v leg and the gnd leg?   transistors - refference to sig input?

Mags

Yes, what is up with that?

I would like to know the reason that this circuit is designed this way. It appears in both "Experiment 1" and "Experiment 2" in EMJunkie's pdf, the only difference being whether the "partner" coils are connected in bucking or aiding series.

What is the justification for the lower mosfet?

Does "0V" mean earth/chassis ground, or the non-grounded "minus" terminal of the PSU?

Does EMJunkie's scope connect the probe reference lead to the chassis ground and back through the line cord to the mains/earth ground as many do?

Many FGs do connect the "black" output lead to chassis/earth ground in this way. Some, like mine, can be fully isolated by a panel switch, but connecting the "black" FG output lead (BNC shield) to a common ground point, or through a BNC connector to another (grounded) instrument with a patch cable, overrides this isolation feature so one must be careful not to create a groundloop inadvertently.


So... what is up with this schematic?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 11:59:14 AM
Captain Zero:

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There is no such thing as "standard electronics knowledge"...until the effects of the manifested magnetic field is thoroughly understood...which this doosh seems to be hell bent on preventing.

That's another nonsensical statement from a position of ignorance.  You go to a transformer manufacturer in Shenzhen, China where they might make hundreds of thousands of transformers per day.  You talk your talk to the engineering and production engineering teams and they will laugh in your face.

Nor am I hell-bent on preventing learning.  In fact I share good knowledge with people on this forum quite often.  But we know that you can't "cope" with that fact and will ignore it.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: minnie on January 27, 2015, 12:02:33 PM
   hanon,
           please indicate how facts which are easily verifiable manage to "kill off" a
thread. Sour grapes can.
            John.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 27, 2015, 12:10:34 PM
Schematic? Hello! The image has been viewed over a _hundred times_ since I posted it and only two people have replied to my question about the very real and legitimate issues concerning it.  And they have no answers but reinforce the questions.

Is anyone actually serious about anything in this whole thread, except bashing the skeptics? Did anyone besides me actually _read_ the pdf?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 27, 2015, 03:03:55 PM
It is ridiculous to accuse some one of having killed this thread. Even stupid insults can not keep people away. And MileHigh wrote not a single insult.

It is also unrealistic to expect people to instantly build test set ups. It always takes me days if not weeks to hook something up. One has other things to do as well.

I do not know why EMJunkie does not want to write about his measurements, very unwise. So one could legitimately say that he himself killed the thread.

For me the instantly appearing Apostles or Acolytes of an unproven OU-Jesus are the boring part of a thread. And these strange fellows are dishing out insults over and over again.

It also lets me down when a OU-preacher starts to teach by help of riddles instead of providing tangible data. For Christ's sake, allegory is for religious leaders and not very useful in a technical forum.

I forgive errors, insults, wrong circuits and nonsense, but not arrogance without proof. For most of the OU-inventors I have seen in the OU-forums a "mental condition" seems to be the best explanation of their personality (also for their avid followers).

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ramset on January 27, 2015, 03:42:50 PM
Tinsel
can  you make a suggestion to Chris to varify he has not unknowingly achieved a groundloop  input into this circuit ?


These groundloop [in many configurations] contributions absolutely MUST be ruled out,I have seen way to many Groundloops waste _Way_ to much experimenters time..
sometimes years.

this community doesn't have ANY time to waste !


your efforts and build experience  are a tremendous asset to this community.


_Most_ respectfully


Chet
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: propellanttech on January 27, 2015, 04:55:11 PM
Hanon, Propellanttech:

Don't give me this nonsense about "killing the thread."  If people make claims then other people have the right to ask them questions about those claims.  In fact, Chris didn't actually name me when he made his "run away" posting.   If you had some guts and used your head you too would be asking Chris for evidence of his claim.  Don't you give me this nonsensical demonization of people that are simply asking perfectly legitimate questions.

What are we here for?  We are here to explore and that means that you don't just shut up and say nothing like a mindless drone when someone makes a claim that would win him a Nobel Prize if it was actually true.  Nor do I have to do experiments in Electronics 001 to "prove" anything.  The burden of proof is on the claimant and so far the claimant has presented zero evidence to back up his claims.

MileHigh

Really??  Let me ask you something. Why do you ask for evidence, if you do not experiment? The evidence would do nothing for you.

Tell me, what is electronics 101?   I'll tell you what I perceive as electronics 101: If you do this, and you do this, this is your outcome. But it the outcome is not correct, you did something different.  That is what people here are doing....something different, so the rules do not necessarily apply. This is due to the fact not every situation in electronics, electrical, or anything else have been tested. If you think they have, I would love to see your proof.

I didn't say that I totally believe Chris in the OU claim. But I'm not here to copy someone else. I'm here to experiment, learn, and possibly do something that hasn't ever been done before. If I succeed in OU great, if I don't I'll have found a bunch of ways not to do it.

Just because you were accepted in the forum, does not give you the right to demand anything. That right is earned not given. Because you do not experiment, and will not, you do not deserve the right. I do agree anyone who has earned that right through experimentation should question his claims.

Spew your theories on the ways others have done things.....I care not, for I won't respond to your negative remarks.

Interesting that many learned not all "laws" are absolute. They just recently discovered that light may possibly not travel at a set speed. How long did everyone believe that? Who wrote that law?

James
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 05:20:39 PM
James:

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Just because you were accepted in the forum, does not give you the right to demand anything. That right is earned not given. Because you do not experiment, and will not, you do not deserve the right.

Well, that is one of the great quotes for sure.  You don't have the right to demand anything and then you go ahead and make a demand.

If a claimant makes a claim of over unity but offers no supporting evidence, they are going to be questioned.  That's the way it is.  There is nothing for me to be defensive about at all.

Not one single person will be able to show a "bucking coils" transformer do anything out of the ordinary.  Anybody is free to try and disprove this if they want.  They are up against Mother Nature and Faraday's Law.

Experiments have to go hand-in-hand with thinking and analysing your results and understanding what you observe.  It's almost shocking how much "blind paint-by-numbers experimenting" you see sometimes.  I am all for experimenting, and I am even more supportive of actually understanding what your experiment means.  And you can apply your accumulated knowledge without jumping through hoops to satisfy people like you making irrational demands that you experiment.  If you really think that I have to build a transformer to comment then you have a problem.

For many people when they see a new user with three posts total and your aggressive stance, they might suspect that you are just a sock puppet.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: minnie on January 27, 2015, 05:26:30 PM



 James,
          I feel that at the sort of level we're dealing with here experimentation has got
 to be fairly low on the list.
    There is just so much valuable information out there at the touch of a keypad coupled
with calculators and simulators that makes practical work the final stage.
    By all means spend your dollars and hours at experimentation, you'll learn a lot.
Don't belittle the paper and pencil guys, good design is the key to success.
            John.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 27, 2015, 05:34:23 PM
Captain Zero:

That's another nonsensical statement from a position of ignorance.

Thats troll speak for...it is he who speaks from a position of ignorance. 


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You go to a transformer manufacturer in Shenzhen, China where they might make hundreds of thousands of transformers per day.
 

And they, like all the knowitall's here will also have no idea how magnetism operates.


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You talk your talk to the engineering and production engineering teams and they will laugh in your face.

Not all, but most...just like the assortment of headuparses we have to endure here.


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Nor am I hell-bent on preventing learning.
 

Thats not what everybody here thinks, judging by the number who have expressed what they are seeing.


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In fact I share good knowledge with people on this forum quite often.  But we know that you can't "cope" with that fact and will ignore it.

He shares suppression of new knowledge...nothing else.

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MileHigh



These knowitalls here are the reincarnations of the same knowitallswho heaped abuse and condescension on the Wright brothers for their whackadoo idea that something heavier than air could fly.

Why don't you assholes learn insect speak, and then go and incessantly try to tell all the bumble bees that they aren't actually flying because they are heavier than air.

After you all get done stomping what little life is left in this thread, of course.

Buy hey, carry on...it shouldn't be too much longer before you doosh bags are talking among yourselves on a dead web site.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 05:38:48 PM
Schematic? Hello! The image has been viewed over a _hundred times_ since I posted it and only two people have replied to my question about the very real and legitimate issues concerning it.  And they have no answers but reinforce the questions.

Is anyone actually serious about anything in this whole thread, except bashing the skeptics? Did anyone besides me actually _read_ the pdf?

TK:

Let's just tie the mysterious lower MOSFET source pin at 0 volts to ground.  Seems reasonable.  So that would mean that the lower MOSFET Q2 does nothing, nada.  It may as well not even be in the circuit.  Let's call that problem #1.

When Q1 is OFF, not much is going on and the scope probe will snow 0 volts across R1.

Then when Q1 switches on, you start to energize L1 and L2 and you will see the rising current waveform across R1.

Then when Q1 switches off, you have problem #2.  The energy stored in L1 and L2 is all dressed up with no place to go.  The source pin of Q1 is going to get yanked to an extremely low negative voltage.  Another way of putting it is that there is going to be a high-voltage energy burn across the Q1 source-drain as L1 and L2 push current through the open switch of the Q1 MOSFET.  So there is a chance that you will blow Q1 under these circumstances.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: propellanttech on January 27, 2015, 05:49:03 PM


 James,
          I feel that at the sort of level we're dealing with here experimentation has got
 to be fairly low on the list.
    There is just so much valuable information out there at the touch of a keypad coupled
with calculators and simulators that makes practical work the final stage.
    By all means spend your dollars and hours at experimentation, you'll learn a lot.
Don't belittle the paper and pencil guys, good design is the key to success.
            John.

John,

Paper and pencil only works with tested designs. Transformer theory (not law) is based on the way every transformer in use on the grid is built. I know of none that use a bucking coil design within them.

Believing the simulators and calculations is a statement that we know everything about magnetism, and magnetic fields. Will you state we totally understand magnetic fields and magnetism, and we have nothing left to learn about them?

So how are we to use the knowledge of the testing of conventional transformers in a situation that is not conventional? Or anything else non-conventional.

That is like comparing a canard aircraft with a conventional aircraft. They both fly. That is about the only similarity. The testing and design, now must be done to find what differences are there. They are not the same with respect to efficiencies or flight characteristics, so they are not broadly thrown into the same envelope.

That is why real world testing must be done. When you assume your calculations are correct, then you may overlook the one thing that could get you where you want to go.

That is why, only building the "transformer" will prove the point. Hence why only "testers" have the right to question someones claim. Do the work, then you understand how to question someone correctly.

James
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 05:55:15 PM
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Regards...

The false troll accuser becomes the main troll on the forum.  Can you say self-flagellation?  Count down from 200, it's going to feel really good towards the end.  lol
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: minnie on January 27, 2015, 05:58:50 PM



   Geez Cap'n,
               everyone (almost) cites the Wright brothers. Very few seem to realise that
it was the wretched petrol engine that enabled powered flight to take off. If the Wrights
hadn't succeeded very soon someone else would have.
   Evolution is unstoppable, just like an OU. device would be. I think there's far more
likelyhood of murders being committed to get hold of an OU. device rather than of the
oil company trying to block one.
                 John.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: propellanttech on January 27, 2015, 06:01:39 PM
Schematic? Hello! The image has been viewed over a _hundred times_ since I posted it and only two people have replied to my question about the very real and legitimate issues concerning it.  And they have no answers but reinforce the questions.

Is anyone actually serious about anything in this whole thread, except bashing the skeptics? Did anyone besides me actually _read_ the pdf?

TK,

Unfortunately the original poster has moved on. I plan to join him when I get approved.

The 0v may be just a mislabel, I don't know. I do know it looks suspicious.

Sorry, but this thread has fell into a cluster, but many threads here seem to be pointing in that same direction.

James
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 06:01:58 PM
This answers all your questions about a transformer:
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: propellanttech on January 27, 2015, 06:10:02 PM
This answers all your questions about a transformer:

You just made my point. You think because those equations are from people, oh say, more than 100 years ago, and the fact they call it law, there are no exceptions.

Now prove they tested every instance where those equations came into play.

Now you see, why you will never be able to think outside the box. There is always an exception, except the absolute that there is always an exception.

Thanks MH.......you prove the point exactly.

James
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 06:11:15 PM


   Geez Cap'n,
               everyone (almost) cites the Wright brothers. Very few seem to realise that
it was the wretched petrol engine that enabled powered flight to take off. If the Wrights
hadn't succeeded very soon someone else would have.
   Evolution is unstoppable, just like an OU. device would be. I think there's far more
likelyhood of murders being committed to get hold of an OU. device rather than of the
oil company trying to block one.
                 John.

Indeed, the Wright Brothers business is a false argument.  It was an era were most people including newspaper editors did not have a scientific education.  It was the newspaper editors that were saying that powered flight was impossible.  The actual scientists that were interested in aeronautics, like the Wright Brothers and their peers doing similar things all around the globe - they firmly believed that flight was possible and it was just a question of getting a suitable power plant.  They even knew the approximate power to weight ratio they needed.  Then the gasoline engine came along and we all know what happened.

The "Wright Brothers argument" is one of the most tired, lame, and untrue arguments out there.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: minnie on January 27, 2015, 06:12:34 PM



      James,
               are you looking for more than 100% out of your transformer?
If so it's got to come from somewhere. There must have been billions of
inductors made, coupled and otherwise, has anyone by accident made one
they couldn't turn off?
                        John.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 06:22:44 PM
James:

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Thanks MH.......you prove the point exactly.

The rate of change of magnetic flux that passes through a loop of wire determines the amount of EMF generated in said loop of wire.  This is TRUE, and you can do your own experiments to confirm that it is TRUE.

All transformers, regular or bucking or toroidal or whatever, are all based on this fundamental property of Nature.  There is no workaround, no secret sauce.  You can bang your head on the wall until the cows come home and it will not change.

So I would suggest to you that you suffer from failure of the imagination:  You can look at any possible transformer configuration that you can imagine and distil it down to loops of wire seeing changing magnetic flux.  If you can't see this or you fail or refuse to see this then you are blind.

You are failing to look at a complex transformer configuration and distilling it down to a simple, elegant, and universal concept.

If you can take a complex problem and reduce it down to a very simple solution that anybody can understand, that's a very good thing.  You are failing to do that.  It's a failure of the imagination and that's an unfortunate thing.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 27, 2015, 06:27:57 PM
The false troll accuser becomes the main troll on the forum.

Until the forum's main troll leaves, he will remain  the main troll on the forum.
 

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Can you say self-flagellation?

It is thought that he can engage in self-flagellation, masturbation, and type simultaneously.

Wood that qualify as overunity ?
 

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Count down from 200, it's going to feel really good towards the end.

Hmmmm, not sure, but it wood appear that he is confusing self-flagellation with masturbation here.


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lol

The lol's usually are a sign the troll has in his own mind thinks he has achieved a victory of sorts, like the death of another productive thread, and a bonus is due to him.

Unless thats a sound he makes on achieving a masturbatory climax...who nose ?

We can only guess...as nobody here is willing to hook him up to a scope.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: propellanttech on January 27, 2015, 06:31:44 PM


      James,
               are you looking for more than 100% out of your transformer?
If so it's got to come from somewhere. There must have been billions of
inductors made, coupled and otherwise, has anyone by accident made one
they couldn't turn off?
                        John.

John,

How many of those inductors were made in a way that had never been tried before?  Our culture is about copying someone else, not trying something new. I would just about bet that the transformers of today, are almost identical from the transformers from 50 years ago, but being made 10,000 miles away from the last manufacturer.

China survives on copying others ideas and mass producing them. It doesn't mean their technology is better, just cheaper.

Have we tried every instance of inductor possible? If not, then why don't we keep trying? Because "good enough" that is why. Or worse....."can't be done". "Good enough" and "close enough" is why Honda kicked our asses when they started building cars. Unfortunately they became "Americanized".

There is something great and honorable about trying. Someone that tries has ambition and perseverance. It builds character.

The people who "don't waste their time" are the people losing. They can't be bothered. They want everything handed to them, instead of achieving it for themselves. It makes them shallow and arrogant. It is rampant in our culture.

Not sure what I'm looking for if I build Chris' design. But I may find something, and definitely will learn something in the process.  What I do learn may lead me in a direction that could cause achievement of my goals. Life is a domino effect......let them fall.

James
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: propellanttech on January 27, 2015, 06:39:41 PM
James:

The rate of change of magnetic flux that passes through a loop of wire determines the amount of EMF generated in said loop of wire.  This is TRUE, and you can do your own experiments to confirm that it is TRUE.

All transformers, regular or bucking or toroidal or whatever, are all based on this fundamental property of Nature.  There is no workaround, no secret sauce.  You can bang your head on the wall until the cows come home and it will not change.

So I would suggest to you that you suffer from failure of the imagination:  You can look at any possible transformer configuration that you can imagine and distil it down to loops of wire seeing changing magnetic flux.  If you can't see this or you fail or refuse to see this then you are blind.

You are failing to look at a complex transformer configuration and distilling it down to a simple, elegant, and universal concept.

If you can take a complex problem and reduce it down to a very simple solution that anybody can understand, that's a very good thing.  You are failing to do that.  It's a failure of the imagination and that's an unfortunate thing.

MileHigh

See...there you go again. What transformer has A loop of wire?  NONE....I repeat NONE. They have loops of wire. The method those loops of wire are configured determine what the output is.

You're right. Everything is base on nature, and we are just starting to scrape the proverbial surface.

Remember the world is flat, and the sun revolves around the earth. Humans are the center of the universe.

Simple.

James
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: minnie on January 27, 2015, 06:49:50 PM



   James,
           I've enjoyed a bit of banter with you.
 I wish you all the luck with your aspirations, and one thing is for sure you'll be
 world-famous when you succeed! Watch old Lewin.
                        John.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: propellanttech on January 27, 2015, 07:06:13 PM


   James,
           I've enjoyed a bit of banter with you.
 I wish you all the luck with your aspirations, and one thing is for sure you'll be
 world-famous when you succeed! Watch old Lewin.
                        John.

John,
Maybe we will agree on some other topic......it does happen from time to time.    ;D

Not sure about world famous.....

James
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 27, 2015, 08:02:36 PM
Until the forum's main troll leaves, he will remain  the main troll on the forum.
 

It is thought that he can engage in self-flagellation, masturbation, and type simultaneously.

Wood that qualify as overunity ?
 

Hmmmm, not sure, but it wood appear that he is confusing self-flagellation with masturbation here.


The lol's usually are a sign the troll has in his own mind thinks he has achieved a victory of sorts, like the death of another productive thread, and a bonus is due to him.

Unless thats a sound he makes on achieving a masturbatory climax...who nose ?

We can only guess...as nobody here is willing to hook him up to a scope.

Regards...

The same "Fucktard Wanker" scolded Scorch for posting "crap links" while Scorch was treating us to a fine build, resulting in yet another diminution of the Forum. Same toxic acid bath with Chris. Side track and corner him to exhaustion on the "Bloch Wall" conundrum, to wear him out, then harp on him incessently about possible mis-measurements. Now maybe his schematic is flawed. Big deal! Chris was torn to shreds, balled up and tossed out by endless enervating hogwash from those three shift bullshit factorys.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 08:49:04 PM
The truth is that I wasn't that involved in this thread until recently.  The truth is that even through we had differences Chris respected me.  The truth is that if you make a claim it's reasonable to ask someone to back it up.  Poynt has already made steps in that direction on OUR.  The truth is that a debate makes for interesting reading.

Take a look at Scorch's thread on EF, it's about as exciting as watching paint dry:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19879-quanta-magnetics-kits-experiments-2.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19879-quanta-magnetics-kits-experiments-2.html)

The truth is we all know who the creepiest person on this forum is.  The truth is we all know who the most vile person on this forum is.

And the truth is that very often objections from the wrong people are essentially a form of "enforcing stupidity."  Big deal that there is no data to back up the claim.  Big deal I am gong to pretend that the Bloch walls are there anyway.  Big deal if the schematic makes no sense.  Big deal if the proposition makes no sense I am going to build it anyway.  Big deal if my digital multimeter display is jumping all over the place I will just pick the numbers that I like.  Big deal about transformer turns ratios.  Big deal if the YouTube clip looks completely ridiculous.  Big deal if the factory turns out to be an empty building.  Big deal if I have to pay 100% down and send a money order to Bulgaria.  Big deal if I post stuff that makes no sense.  Big deal if I can't think.  Big deal if I can't imagine.  Big deal if he says it's 2000 watts output but I can't feel any heat.  Big deal if all three generators are the same size.  Big deal if it looks like it's only a Photoshop job.  Big deal if I don't understand basic physics.  Big deal if I don't know how to operate an oscilloscope.  Big deal if I invent my own electronics.  Big fat deal!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 27, 2015, 10:16:51 PM
@MileHigh,

You "Cocksuckers' nuke chickenshit! TinselKoala ran me ragged because I mistakingly called a relay a switch once. Technically relays are in the switch group. I resented the fucking "Trash Hound" belittling me that greatly me over something so small.




Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 27, 2015, 10:30:09 PM
I copied this comment over from the "Scaler Wave" thead because "Chiral Disks" have a bucking field: The time bfore this, MileHigh falsly mainained that Jerry's Chiral disks were magnetized "Radially" when they're magnetized "Axially". This led to an issue with Verpies

This video by Jerry Bayles shows Chiral disk magnets agitating satillite magnets with a "Scaler Wave" at Shumman resonant frequency.:

Magnetic standing wave around two variable speed disk magnets resonates with two small 'balance' magnets at the Schumann frequency (7.834 Hz) on the right side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcVg_K3U-uk

Chiral Disks are in opposition. This magnet rotation should work inside a Faraday cage like TinselKoala's Caduceus broadcasting coil. Does "Lenz's law" apply to this effect?






Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 27, 2015, 11:13:47 PM
The truth is that I wasn't that involved in this thread until recently.  The truth is that even through we had differences Chris respected me.  The truth is that if you make a claim it's reasonable to ask someone to back it up.  Poynt has already made steps in that direction on OUR.  The truth is that a debate makes for interesting reading.

Take a look at Scorch's thread on EF, it's about as exciting as watching paint dry:

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19879-quanta-magnetics-kits-experiments-2.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/19879-quanta-magnetics-kits-experiments-2.html)

The truth is we all know who the creepiest person on this forum is.  The truth is we all know who the most vile person on this forum is.


.....................
Syncro1 quote:

@MileHigh,

You "Cocksuckers' nuke chickenshit! TinselKoala ran me ragged because I mistakingly called a relay a switch once. Technically relays are in the switch group. I resented the fucking "Trash Hound" belittling me that greatly me over something so small.
......................

Personally, it wood appear that title belongs to the one or more of the people referred to in the above quote.

Regards...

 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 27, 2015, 11:22:38 PM
@MileHigh,

You "Cocksuckers' nuke chickenshit! TinselKoala ran me ragged because I mistakingly called a relay a switch once. Technically relays are in the switch group. I resented the fucking "Trash Hound" belittling me that greatly me over something so small.

You have a long history of ... shall we say... inaccurate misrepresentation of the work of others, and you yourself have made many claims for which you cannot provide evidence. If you don't want to be belittled... stop belittling YOURSELF with your childish, pottymouth insults and start being rational and ACCURATE in what you claim.

But I know that will never happen, because you have had ample opportunity to demonstrate the truth already, and you have never yet done so.

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 27, 2015, 11:47:49 PM
Quote from: propellanttech
Not sure what I'm looking for if I build Chris' design.

Yes, that is rather the problem isn't it. But it's not your fault, because he has not provided the measurements that support his overunity claims.

EMJunkie has presented in this thread and the pdf: Claims without measurements in support of the claims. Misunderstanding of simple principles of electronics and measurement. Nonsensical schematics without clarification. An attitude of  non-cooperation and false superiority, even when demonstrably wrong.

So you tell me then. What ARE you looking for when you build something according to Chris's design?

Will you duplicate the nonsensical mosfet and current-monitoring arrangement in the "Exp1 and 2" schematics, as I did? What measurements will you accept as indications of 1.7x OU? How will you know that you aren't just wasting your time, spinning your wheels? Do you have the necessary experience to use an oscilloscope properly, to avoid instrument groundloops, to interpret waveforms without relying on "numbers in boxes" from DSOs.... or do you just push the "Auto" button and display scope measurements that have nothing to do with the real issues at hand?

And by the way... there certainly ARE transformers with one loop of wire as primary and/or secondary... even autotransformers with just a single loop and a tap. For just one example, my wireless power transmitter/receiver system is essentially an aircore transformer with a single loop as primary and another, distant, single loop as secondary. For another, the shaded-pole motors that are all around us use one-turn high current loops as "secondary" : the shading coil. If one doesn't understand a single loop's electromagnetic interactions, one won't be able to understand what happens when many loops are stacked, as in bucking or aiding inductor windings.  For a good example of this, see EMJunkie's pdf for Experiments 1 and 2, where he demonstrates that heavy inductances respond at lower frequencies than lighter inductances, and seems to completely  misunderstand why.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 27, 2015, 11:54:20 PM
Woo!  Hoo!  So we have another replication going!   I hope that Conrad will do one and wasn't too turned off by the bickering.  If he does then we will have three replications going!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 27, 2015, 11:58:54 PM
Woo!  Hoo!  So we have another replication going!   I hope that Conrad will do one and wasn't too turned off by the bickering.  If he does then we will have three replications going!

Many are wondering if this guy has an off button...and if so, where the hell is it ?

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 12:25:21 AM
You have a long history of ... shall we say... inaccurate misrepresentation of the work of others, and you yourself have made many claims for which you cannot provide evidence. If you don't want to be belittled... stop belittling YOURSELF with your childish, pottymouth insults and start being rational and ACCURATE in what you claim.

But I know that will never happen, because you have had ample opportunity to demonstrate the truth already, and you have never yet done so.

I never misrepresented anything you asshole. Give me one example where I misrepresented something. Nor have I ever claimed anything without accurate evidence. You're just completly full of shit. You excoriated me because I claimed your bifilar pancake coil threw a larger spark in your dumb comparison video, and you denied that when its plain for anybody to see. Now your ignoring the Shumman resonance frequency once again pretending Jerry Bayles needs a crib pacifier.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: propellanttech on January 28, 2015, 12:29:28 AM
Yes, that is rather the problem isn't it. But it's not your fault, because he has not provided the measurements that support his overunity claims.

EMJunkie has presented in this thread and the pdf: Claims without measurements in support of the claims. Misunderstanding of simple principles of electronics and measurement. Nonsensical schematics without clarification. An attitude of  non-cooperation and false superiority, even when demonstrably wrong.

So you tell me then. What ARE you looking for when you build something according to Chris's design?

Will you duplicate the nonsensical mosfet and current-monitoring arrangement in the "Exp1 and 2" schematics? What measurements will you accept as indications of 1.7x OU? How will you know that you aren't just wasting your time, spinning your wheels? Do you have the necessary experience to use an oscilloscope properly, to avoid instrument groundloops, to interpret waveforms without relying on "numbers in boxes" from DSOs.... or do you just push the "Auto" button and display scope measurements that have nothing to do with the real issues at hand?

And by the way... there certainly ARE transformers with one loop of wire as primary and/or secondary... even autotransformers with just a single loop and a tap. For just one example, my wireless power transmitter/receiver system is essentially an aircore transformer with a single loop as primary and another, distant, single loop as secondary. For another, the shaded-pole motors that are all around us use one-turn high current loops as "secondary" : the shading coil. If one doesn't understand a single loop's electromagnetic interactions, one won't be able to understand what happens when many loops are stacked, as in bucking or aiding inductor windings.  For a good example of this, see EMJunkie's pdf for Experiments 1 and 2, where he demonstrates that heavy inductances respond at lower frequencies than lighter inductances, and seems to completely  misunderstand why.

TK

I'll find what I find, and whatever it is, it will be wisdom. That is what I'm looking for.

As for experience....I have plenty, and I'm not going to spell that out for you. It's really not important to this discussion. If I waste my time building the circuit, it is mine to waste. If you want to get into a penile  measuring contest about who has the most usable experience......you may find I'm a good competitor.

Will you show me a manufactured transformer with one loop? I didn't say winding. I said loop. Don't confuse what I said, with what you think I said. When you start winding, things get perplexing about loop configuration. Don't go with the book method.....that doesn't work with someone who knows not everything is in a book. Also, anything made by you doesn't necessarily fit theory, and an antenna is not a transformer. Their purpose is different, you even stated as much with "transmitter/receiver"....so......... Loops in motors are not in a transformer.  A flyback could possibly use one single loop, but that is a different beast than we are talking about, even then.....it would be rare, but I guess I'll state I may be wrong on that one transformer, which has nothing to do with the current debate.

I also noticed your coils are not wound orthocyclic .....may I ask why?

As for EMJ's items, I can't really defend or accuse him of what he did, or didn't do. The point is moot, for he is no longer here.

James
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 12:36:44 AM
Woo!  Hoo!  So we have another replication going!   I hope that Conrad will do one and wasn't too turned off by the bickering.  If he does then we will have three replications going!

@MileHigh,

Conrad's just one of your boot Licking stooges. He scored a 5 to 1 input to output COP on his wireless transmitter, probably because he forgot to wind serial bifilar coils.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 12:41:59 AM
I never misrepresented anything you asshole. Give me one example where I misrepresented something. Nor have I ever claimed anything without accurate evidence. You're just completly full of shit.

Your whole "delayed Lenz effect hyper-velocity super-duper Lenz propulsion" threads are gross misrepresentations of reality.  If the EEVblog guy ever read them and made a response video you would not be happy.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 12:42:49 AM
Conrad's one of your boot Licking stooges.

No he isn't.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 12:44:42 AM
Your whole "delayed Lenz effect hyper-velocity super-duper Lenz propulsion" threads are gross misrepresentations of reality.  If the EEVblog guy ever read them and made a response video you would not be happy.

You have your head buried one MileHigh up your ass.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 12:52:39 AM
Can you just stop that nonsense talk?  Everybody knows your super-super spinner threads are not real just like they know Mickey Mouse is not real.  Your brazen posting about yourself was simply not true.

With two or possibly three or more replications, the truth will come out and knowing you you will have nothing to say when the results are in.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: orbut 3000 on January 28, 2015, 12:53:25 AM
I believe it is time to censor and suppress the opinions of the dissenters.
They are not able to keep their mouths shut when adults talk.
This is a forum for open-minded overunity research and those paid underunity/NWO shills/trolls should go away and discuss their beliefs elsewhere. Imagine if this forum were a Mosque and a bunch of orthodox Jews would turn up everyday and interrupt the Imam everytime and spread their unbeliever bullshit and filth and insult the prophet.
 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: propellanttech on January 28, 2015, 12:57:19 AM
I believe it is time to censor and suppress the opinions of the dissenters.
They are not able to keep their mouths shut when adults talk.
This is a forum for open-minded overunity research and those paid underunity/NWO shills/trolls should go away and discuss their beliefs elsewhere. Imagine if this forum were a Mosque and a bunch of orthodox Jews would turn up everyday and interrupt the Imam everytime and spread their unbeliever bullshit and filth and insult the prophet.

There are no prophets or gods....it's just a bunch of non-sense and or hooie.  ;)

I have this book, and it says........

I just tune them out. With every avenue of experimentation, you will have a percentage of "nay-sayers". Those are the ones that "believe" all knowledge has been found and proven.

If I do the experiment and find (with Chris' help) that he is not truly representing the output, I will then call him on it. Till then, I keep my opinions to myself. But if I ever do an experiment that does output what the author claims....I will also call out the "nay-sayers", but they will not be around.

James
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 01:11:18 AM
Can you just stop that nonsense talk?  Everybody knows your super-super spinner threads are not real just like they know Mickey Mouse is not real.  Your brazen posting about yourself was simply not true.

With two or possibly three or more replications, the truth will come out and knowing you you will have nothing to say when the results are in.

Everybody knows you have your head up your ass.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 01:14:24 AM
Floyd Sweet was down in a low Shumman 7.83 multiple =432 Hertz range, not up in the mega-hertz like Itsuable.

Quote from Sparky Sweet:

"Output 24.2 volts by 4.6 amps =111watts frequency 388 and 402 Hz"

Try 7.83 Hertz and see what happens. Take a good look at Jerry Bayles video with "bucking disks" spinning at that frequency.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ramset on January 28, 2015, 01:29:24 AM
synchro
on bended knee I beg you to take a break from Cussin and such with Tinsel
if we could put aside the past for a few days here and try to make a line in the sand
I would greatly appreciate it.
here we have Tinsel spending tens of hours of time and much resource to honestly try and  understand this,also itsu and Mags are  spending much time here, we need this sorted
ASAP


PLEASE !!!!
It is my Intention to assist them in anyway possible here,I have nothing but gratitude at this time.


respectfully
Chet
ps
besides we need to get back on track at this forum,I have never spoken with Conrad
but we can address your concerns on that one [maybe something was missed] after we get thru this one !!





Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 01:46:09 AM
 What's going on with the two disk magnets face to face in repulsión spinning at 7.83 hz in the Bayles video? Why do the satillite magnets go into a frenzy at that frequency?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ramset on January 28, 2015, 01:57:33 AM
Syncro
is this question related to the replications here,I apologize for not following too close over here its just that the goings on are very hard for me to read,and besides we are having a nightmare storm here in Northeast USA and I have been very bizzy just providing for those around me..very little time for the forums these last few days.


respectfully
Chet.

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 02:03:57 AM
What's going on with the two disk magnets face to face in repulsión spinning at 7.83 hz in the Bayles video? Why do the satillite magnets go into a frenzy at that frequency?

Data selection and false precision. I saw the satellite magnets "going into a frenzy" pretty much all along during the video. The mechanical resonant frequency of such a system is set by the geometry and could be tuned for any frequency you, or the maker, desires.

Where is a precise measurement of 7.83 Hz shown in the video?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 02:13:42 AM
Floyd Sweet was down in a low Shumman 7.83 multiple =432 Hertz range, not up in the mega-hertz like Itsuable.

Quote from Sparky Sweet:

"Output 24.2 volts by 4.6 amps =111watts frequency 388 and 402 Hz"

Try 7.83 Hertz and see what happens. Take a good look at Jerry Bayles video with "bucking disks" spinning at that frequency.

432 / 7.83 = 55.1724...
388 / 7.83 = 49.5530...
402 / 7.83 = 51.34099...

The frequencies cited are unrelated to the 7.83 Hz frequency in any logical manner.

Quote
Today Schumann resonances are recorded at many separate research stations around the world. The sensors used to measure Schumann resonances typically consist of two horizontal magnetic inductive coils (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_inductive_coil) for measuring the north-south and east-west components of the magnetic field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_field), and a vertical electric dipole antenna for measuring the vertical component of the electric field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_field). A typical passband of the instruments is 3–100 Hz. The Schumann resonance electric field amplitude (~300 microvolts per meter) is much smaller than the static fair-weather electric field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_weather_condition) (~150 V/m) in the atmosphere (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atmosphere). Similarly, the amplitude of the Schumann resonance magnetic field (~1 picotesla) is many orders of magnitude (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orders_of_magnitude) smaller than the Earth's magnetic field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth%27s_magnetic_field) (~30–50 microteslas).[21] Specialized receivers and antennas are needed to detect and record Schumann resonances. The electric component is commonly measured with a ball antenna, suggested by Ogawa et al., in 1966,[22] connected to a high-impedance amplifier (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amplifier). The magnetic induction coils (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_coil) typically consist of tens- to hundreds-of-thousands of turns of wire wound around a core of very high magnetic permeability (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_permeability).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schumann_resonances)

 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 02:20:14 AM
@TinselKoala,

That's because they're a factor of Pi. Pay attention and you'll wake up like I did. We need to apply the formula for the speed of the magnet wave.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 02:25:34 AM
Orbut 3000:

This is not a place for hate speech.
This is not a place to discuss religion.
This is not a place for intolerance and fascism.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 02:28:06 AM
I never misrepresented anything you asshole. Give me one example where I misrepresented something. Nor have I ever claimed anything without accurate evidence. You're just completly full of shit. You excoriated me because I claimed your bifilar pancake coil threw a larger spark in your dumb comparison video, and you denied that when its plain for anybody to see. Now your ignoring the Shumman resonance frequency once again pretending Jerry Bayles needs a crib pacifier.

I have called you on your misrepresentation of my work so many times I can't even count them any more. You do the same with other people's work as well. And you have indeed claimed things without adequate evidence, such as your magnet spinner that "self accelerates".

Here are a couple of examples of your misrepresentation of my work and that of others:
http://overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg412490/#msg412490 (http://overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg412490/#msg412490)
http://overunity.com/14665/selfcharging-cap-circuit-from-larskro-fake-or-real/msg404599/#msg404599 (http://overunity.com/14665/selfcharging-cap-circuit-from-larskro-fake-or-real/msg404599/#msg404599)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 02:31:36 AM
@TinselKoala,

The formula for the speed of the magent wave is Pi/2 x C.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 02:33:22 AM
Orbut 3000:

This is not a place for hate speech.
This is not a place to discuss religion.
This is not a place for intolerance and fascism.

MileHigh

Baffle gouge from mister Filibuster!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 02:33:30 AM
@TinselKoala,

That's because they're a factor of Pi. Pay attention and you'll wake up like I did. We need to apply the formula for the speed of the magnet wave.

432/pi = 137.509870831...
388/pi = 123.504235839...
402/pi = 127.960574246...
7.83/pi = 2.492366409...

Got any more howlers?  Got a _calculator_? Do you even know what "factor"  means?

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 02:35:17 AM
@TinselKoala,

The formula for the speed of the magent wave is Pi/2 x C.

Which produces a result that is faster than light (if c refers to lightspeed in a vacuum). Please provide some solid, checkable, valid reference for this claim. Also show how it relates to the Schumann resonance in any way, or to the frequencies mentioned in your previous posts.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 02:37:33 AM
I have said it a million times:  The Schumann resonance business is ridiculous and does not affect anything on your bench in any way whatsoever.  You see it at the "alternative energy fairs" next to the people selling crystals.  It's just a 'hook' that is part and parcel of the free energy / alternative whatever cottage industry.  You may as well be scratching your head and rubbing your belly and reciting Pi to 5000 decimal places at the same time.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 02:41:00 AM
@MileHigh,

You're completely full of shit about practically everything!


Tesla discovered he could transmit longitudinal waves in the Earth at speeds faster than the speed of light.

Chris said earlier in the thread; After you build your setup, place a magnet in your hand, hold it close to the bucking coils and run the frequency down untill you can feel the magnet start to jump around in your hand.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 02:46:32 AM
The only thing that you have got going in terms of the Schumann resonance is your fantasies.  If you went to an alternative energy conference, you might buy a book about the Schumann resonance.  That is the _only_ reason you hear about it, to sell you a pulp trash tabloid book written by the weird-looking guy at the tabletop next to Marko Rodin's tabletop.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 02:51:47 AM
@MileHigh,

Take your blindfold off again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUJza3l8rmU
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 28, 2015, 02:53:00 AM
...written by the weird-looking guy at the tabletop next to...

Now he's ridiculing Bill Alek's new hair.

Oh, the humanity.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 02:57:11 AM
That's a classic example of leading yourself down a garden path.  It's just a coincidence that the magnets rock at seven point something Hertz.  Slightly bigger magnets and the rocking frequency would drop below seven Hertz.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 02:57:17 AM
TK

I'll find what I find, and whatever it is, it will be wisdom. That is what I'm looking for.

As for experience....I have plenty, and I'm not going to spell that out for you. It's really not important to this discussion. If I waste my time building the circuit, it is mine to waste. If you want to get into a penile  measuring contest about who has the most usable experience......you may find I'm a good competitor.
I simply asked you if you had the requisite experience and knowledge. You don't have much history on this forum, so how are we to know? We've seen "experienced" people with fine apparatus make incredibly basic mistakes before... haven't we. And I'll happily concede that your schlong is bigger than mine, I don't need to see the evidence.
Quote
Will you show me a manufactured transformer with one loop? I didn't say winding. I said loop. Don't confuse what I said, with what you think I said. When you start winding, things get perplexing about loop configuration. Don't go with the book method.....that doesn't work with someone who knows not everything is in a book.
Please explain the difference between a oneturn winding and a loop. Also relate that to the original mention of the loop to which you refer.
Quote
Also, anything made by you doesn't necessarily fit theory, and an antenna is not a transformer. Their purpose is different, you even stated as much with "transmitter/receiver"....so.........
I see, so when people pooh-pooh my system, showing voltage amplification and brighter bulbs, by calling it "just" an aircore transformer, they are wrong? It's a funny kind of system that both is, and isn't, a transformer according to whomever wants to diss me at the moment, isn't it? What about a Tesla coil with a one-turn primary? Is that a transformer, or not? What about a single turn LOOP that acts as an EM pickup/trigger coil for a pulse motor? Transformer or not a transformer? What about air-coupled coils in RF applications, transformers or not?
By the way, _everything_ made by me, and by anyone else I've encountered, does "fit theory"... necessarily.
Quote
Loops in motors are not in a transformer. 
The single turn loop in a shaded pole motor is most certainly a shorted secondary of a transformer whose primary is the main motor winding.
Quote
A flyback could possibly use one single loop, but that is a different beast than we are talking about, even then.....it would be rare, but I guess I'll state I may be wrong on that one transformer, which has nothing to do with the current debate.
You are wrong on many different transformers, because you want to redefine things that are clearly transformers as something else.
Quote
I also noticed your coils are not wound orthocyclic .....may I ask why?
Because I am working on the device in EMJ's PDF that he claims produced a COP of 1.7, without providing references. Did you also notice that my waveforms attained with my coil are the same as the ones he obtained, just at higher frequencies due to the lesser inductances of my coils, and that the frequency/inductance scaling is very good? I didn't want to take up too much space but I can show the various inductance measurements of my coils if you insist, and you can do some calculations on your own to verify the scaling is as predicted and "fits theory". You can also confirm, if you like, that the _same results_ would be obtained by using single inductors of the same measured inductances... so there is nothing at all special about the "partnered coil" configuration in these two experiments.

I will expect your coils will be wound orthocyclic, of course. And I also predict that you will get exactly the same results, scaled by frequency/inductance, as EMJ and I did.

Quote
As for EMJ's items, I can't really defend or accuse him of what he did, or didn't do. The point is moot, for he is no longer here.

James

Not moot at all, since he has made claims without evidence, and some of us are still looking for the evidence. If he used improper measurements, bad circuitry with groundloops, mistaken interpretations of data, or such in order to reach his conclusions, it is important for us to understand that. And you can bet your bippy that he is still reading this thread.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 03:01:11 AM
Here's the comment from Chris. Pay attention to what he's saying:

@ALL,

About Frequency's, a small experiment:

1: Fuse your input just to be safe first!
2: Slowly drop your running frequency down...
3: Hold in your hand, a small magnet, close to your device.
4: Keep dropping your Frequency until you can Feel the Magnet Jump around.
5: Check all around your device with the Magnet

I found this good to get a feel for what's going on. And, yes easy for the sceptics to go to town here, but it did help me.

Also, on a side Note: Start thinking about the potentials of the Partnered Output Coils! Think about each Coil being a Bucket, How much Water can it hold...

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

P.S: You should hear a Chattering of your device. Aim for around 25 - 40 Hz to do this experiment.

P.P.S: This Experiment is fairly important, so please don't pass it by! Please Run the Experiment and report your Results!  ;)


« Last Edit: January 25, 2015, 02:23:56 AM by EMJunkie »

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 03:01:29 AM
You haven't heard of Dr. Magnetotron's  enhancing and cleansing bioforce energy stimulating vibro-belt?  He's next to the guy selling the Schumann resonance books.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 03:02:43 AM
@MileHigh,

Take your blindfold off again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUJza3l8rmU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUJza3l8rmU)

In the comments:
Quote
These aren't HD magnets, possibly speaker magnets. Anyway this might be Shumann resonance, but far more likely it is just the mechanical resonance of the system which is based on the strength on the magnetic field and the sizes of the magnets happening to sit at about 7.8 hz.

The proper control experiment, which was of course NOT DONE, would be to use a set of magnets of different size and weight and see if they too "dance" at 7.8 Hz. I predict that they will not.

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 03:03:27 AM
You haven't heard of Dr. Magnetotron's  enhancing and cleansing bioforce energy stimulating vibro-belt?  He's next to the guy selling the Schumann resonance books.

Jerkoff!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 28, 2015, 03:05:07 AM
You haven't heard of Dr. Magnetotron's  enhancing and cleansing bioforce energy stimulating vibro-belt?  He's next to the guy selling the Schumann resonance books.

Dr. Magnetotron = Dr Whodini aka Bill Alek...who now has great hair.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 03:05:09 AM
In the comments:
The proper control experiment, which was of course NOT DONE, would be to use a set of magnets of different size and weight and see if they too "dance" at 7.8 Hz. I predict that they will not.

Go back and look at post #425.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 03:05:53 AM
Jerkoff!

That's $80 in the curtained-off tabletop next to the guy selling Dr. Magnetotron's enhancing and cleansing bioforce energy stimulating vibro-belt.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 03:08:52 AM
Here's the comment from Chris. Pay attention to what he's saying:

@ALL,

About Frequency's, a small experiment:

1: Fuse your input just to be safe first!
2: Slowly drop your running frequency down...
3: Hold in your hand, a small magnet, close to your device.
4: Keep dropping your Frequency until you can Feel the Magnet Jump around.
5: Check all around your device with the Magnet

I found this good to get a feel for what's going on. And, yes easy for the sceptics to go to town here, but it did help me.

Also, on a side Note: Start thinking about the potentials of the Partnered Output Coils! Think about each Coil being a Bucket, How much Water can it hold...

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

P.S: You should hear a Chattering of your device. Aim for around 25 - 40 Hz to do this experiment.

P.P.S: This Experiment is fairly important, so please don't pass it by! Please Run the Experiment and report your Results!  ;)


« Last Edit: January 25, 2015, 02:23:56 AM by EMJunkie »

This "experiment" seems to have no hypothesis under test. What is the significance of the fact that a coil/core combination creates an external field that can cause another magnet to vibrate? What is the significance of "chattering"?

It's easy to hear and feel audio vibrations in all kinds of devices, from Joule Thiefs to these partnered coils. So what? This represents wasted energy for the most part and can even be destructive, as cores can break and wires can be rubbed bare of insulation. It's a big reason that inductor coils are often potted in epoxy.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 03:10:37 AM
Go back and look at post #425.
Which has no relation to anything as far as I can see. Is the idea of resonant pumping of a mechanical system somehow new to you?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 03:11:51 AM
If all the people in China jump up and down at 7.8 Hz what happens?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 03:20:41 AM
If all the people in China jump up and down at 7.8 Hz what happens?

Environmental disaster in Cuba!!!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 28, 2015, 03:21:50 AM
This "experiment" seems to have no hypothesis under test. What is the significance of the fact that a coil/core combination creates an external field that can cause another magnet to vibrate? What is the significance of "chattering"?

It's easy to hear and feel audio vibrations in all kinds of devices, from Joule Thiefs to these partnered coils. So what? This represents wasted energy for the most part and can even be destructive, as cores can break and wires can be rubbed bare of insulation. It's a big reason that inductor coils are often potted in epoxy.

Exactly.  I notice that with my first Bedini replication.  I could hold a very strong neo in my hand 5 ft. away from the running motor and the magnet would jump around and vibrate in my hand.  Does this mean I accidentally achieved O.U.?  I mean, I posted about this experience about 4 years ago so I beat Chris to it.

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 28, 2015, 03:25:52 AM
If all the people in China jump up and down at 7.8 Hz what happens?

This is a trick question.  The Chinese people can not possibly jump up and down at 7.8 Hz.  The best they have achieved to date was barely 4.9 Hz.  I read a paper by a Chinese theoretician (Lawrence Tseung) who thinks they might be able to achieve 5.2 Hz in the next 10 years IF the funding comes through.  7.8 Hz is still a pipe dream for them.

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 03:32:37 AM
The beaches of northern Cuba would disagree.  There was also a big quake in Florida.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 28, 2015, 03:38:02 AM
The beaches of northern Cuba would disagree.  There was also a big quake in Florida.

Oh, so are you claiming that this is proof of the Butterfry Effect?  (Not to be confused with the butterfly effect.  We are, after all, dealing with China here.)

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 03:50:28 AM
More like a bioforce energy stimulating vibro-belt effect but on a global scale.

Anyway, moving on, I did some Googling and came up (cough!) with this:

http://www.slideshare.net/guest32b4468/world-transformer-markets-2002-to-2012 (http://www.slideshare.net/guest32b4468/world-transformer-markets-2002-to-2012)

Now that's a lot of transformers!  What are the chances that a 27-billion-dollar industry missed out on some kind of special oogoo-boogoo effect?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 03:57:46 AM
Jerry Bayles demonstrates that the excitment frequency changes from right to left side. Jerry employs dynamic "Non-Euclidian Parabolic Calculus" to explain these changes with coherent formulas. Jerry explains them in his videos. They're not easy to understand. That dosen't mean nothing's taking place.

Try 6.5 for a rudimentary step factor. It's too tricky to figure out with TinselKoala's finger math. There is a harmonic scale of resonant magnetic frequencies, it's just not linear.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 28, 2015, 04:19:21 AM
Exactly.  I notice that with my first Bedini replication.  I could hold a very strong neo in my hand 5 ft. away from the running motor and the magnet would jump around and vibrate in my hand.  Does this mean I accidentally achieved O.U.?  I mean, I posted about this experience about 4 years ago so I beat Chris to it.

Bill

I doubt that was a magnet in the butt pirate's hand...magnets wooden manifest a creamy substance in his hand.

Its interesting to see the forum's resident arse kisser joining hands with his doosh bag pals for a circle jerk tho.

It wood be educational to see if the MH doosh were to manage to get his head up the butt pirate's arse, closing the loop, and proving over unity.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 28, 2015, 05:06:43 AM
I see that Crap-Z-ro has posted again here.  Even though I can't read his post due to IGNORE, (Thank God)  I am wondering what brilliant scientific nuggets he has brought to this conversation?  If, indeed, he did actually post something relevant, it would be a first for him.  Since this topic is obviously waaaay over his head, I am just very curious as to what fascinating infobits of knowledge he has shared here?

My guess (based upon past performance) is that he has offered nothing but juvenile rantings about his sexual preferences, graphic representations of his favorite fantasy, and other inane and useless thought expressions.

Oh, and he probably called at least one member here a troll.  Possibly two members.  Maybe even a paid troll.

Some things never change.  I hope Stefan puts this clown on moderation soon.

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: orbut 3000 on January 28, 2015, 05:20:08 AM
I see that Crap-Z-ro has posted again here.  Even though I can't read his post due to IGNORE, (Thank God)  I am wondering what brilliant scientific nuggets he has brought to this conversation?  If, indeed, he did actually post something relevant, it would be a first for him.  Since this topic is obviously waaaay over his head, I am just very curious as to what fascinating infobits of knowledge he has shared here?

My guess (based upon past performance) is that he has offered nothing but juvenile rantings about his sexual preferences, graphic representations of his favorite fantasy, and other inane and useless thought expressions.

Oh, and he probably called at least one member here a troll.  Possibly two members.  Maybe even a paid troll.

Some things never change.  I hope Stefan puts this clown on moderation soon.

Bill


I think the Capzro persona is only clowning around here to entertain us. Maybe he's a paid Google-Ad viewer or a shill paid by Big Nonsense.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 28, 2015, 05:52:57 AM
I see that Crap-Z-ro has posted again here.  Even though I can't read his post due to IGNORE, (Thank God)  I am wondering what brilliant scientific nuggets he has brought to this conversation?  If, indeed, he did actually post something relevant, it would be a first for him.  Since this topic is obviously waaaay over his head, I am just very curious as to what fascinating infobits of knowledge he has shared here?

My guess (based upon past performance) is that he has offered nothing but juvenile rantings about his sexual preferences, graphic representations of his favorite fantasy, and other inane and useless thought expressions.

Oh, and he probably called at least one member here a troll.  Possibly two members.  Maybe even a paid troll.

Some things never change.  I hope Stefan puts this clown on moderation soon.

Bill

Looks like the forum's resident arse kisser to the troll, the butt pirate is now whining to Stefan.

He should have thought twice before attacking me, just to earn the affection of the forum trolls who showed him how to dimly illuminate the arses he kisses with jool theef LED's.

By trying to portray the hero, rushing to their defense, the dim witt bit off more than he could chew...and now he has to pretend he has me on ignore, so he doesn't have to respond, and look stupider than he has already shown himself to be.

But, in life, thats what happens when you already have a mouth full of crap to start with...a life's lesson the dim can't seem to grasp.

Metaphorically, he has both feet in the tar baby...b'rer butt pirate, he has become.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 28, 2015, 05:55:45 AM

I think the Capzro persona is only clowning around here to entertain us. Maybe he's a paid Google-Ad viewer or a shill paid by Big Nonsense.

And another sh!t stained arse is bared for the butt pirate to kiss.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 06:35:05 AM
Quote from: TinselKoala link=topic=15395.msg435392#m vast differences insg435392 date=1422410563
In the comments:
The proper control experiment, which was of course NOT DONE, would be to use a set of magnets of different size and weight and see if they too "dance" at 7.8 Hz. I predict that they will not.

@TinselKoala,

Jerry Bayles has two block magnets magnetized through their thickness placed fields opposite to one another at the ends of a rotor strut pivoting on a central axle. How do you explain the frenzied twirling at the same 7.83 frequency of his spinning Chiral disks as Marco's toroid speaker magnets at the same orbo attraction neutralizing pulse frequency with the vast differences in magnet configuration?

Magnetic standing wave around two variable speed disk magnets resonates with two small 'balance' magnets at the Schumann frequency (7.834 Hz) on the right side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcVg_K3U-uk

Neither Jerrry nor Marco increase input to achieve the increased magnet reaction. The action's a cosequence of the frequency. The "bucking coils" behave the same way. You guys can fail at your attempts as you so often choose to do, but eveyone's already hip to your stinking "Gansdorf Sting".
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 28, 2015, 08:10:55 AM
What ARE you looking for when you build something according to Chris's design?

And what is people looking for if they go to church - no evidence of God or Jesus holy spirit too ;)
Call it "desire to discover unrecognizable" - or simply hobby ;)

Guys, as you brows to Schumann's resonance - check this video:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUJza3l8rmU&feature=youtu.be

Cheers.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 08:17:35 AM
Clip number two from Itsu:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z77u0ANfCI&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z77u0ANfCI&feature=youtu.be)

My comment on the clip:  Itsu, can't you just put your channel ground on the center tap and then look at the outputs of each of the bucking coils on two channels?  The outputs should be in phase for bucking mode and 180 degrees out of phase for normal mode.  That's the whole problem with the bucking mode, the two EMFs are at the same phase and potential so the difference between them is normally quite low.  In fact, you could tweak one of the bucking coils by adding or subtracting some turns until the EMFs are almost identical and then the output across the pair of bucking coils will almost be zero.   I assume the business about the air gap between the two halves of the cores is in the pdf.  I just view the air gap as adding reluctance and therefore crippling the functionality of the total core assembly.  You see this air gap business all the time and I view that as a strange kind of "fetish" among free energy enthusiasts.

I want to start a new crowd funding campaign:  Potty-mouth and ratchet boy filtering magic screen protector.  You know those privacy protectors you can put on your laptop screen?  Well this one would be similar to that.  We are using nanotech bots and neural networking technology.  There is a regular grid of little tiny tiny bots with cameras embedded in the screen protector.  Each one is like a tiny speck of pepper.  Each bot reads a small amount of what is on the screen and the neural network backbone works to decode and read what's on the screen and filter out the potty-mouth and ratchet boy prose in real time.  The neural network controls the LCD shuttering built into the screen protector.  I am looking for a name for it.  One candidate is "TrashStop."  Note that it rhymes with "trash talk."  Another candidate name is "CussOff!" Almost rhymes with....  If you contribute $100 you get a roll of toilet paper sent to you.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 28, 2015, 08:36:00 AM

...I view that as a strange kind of "fetish" among free energy enthusiasts.


Here is your "fetish" explained :)  :http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Workshop/advice/coils/gap/
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 08:38:54 AM
A second posting on Itsu's YouTube channel:

Itsu, if I may be so bold as to make a suggestion:  You can use the Vrms across the resistive load to derive the output power.  You can use your current probe on the input and the voltage on the input to derive the input power with the RMS values.  You can see that at lower frequencies you have no real phase issues so getting real time power out vs. power in should be trivial.  So displaying those three channels would give you "live" power out and power in.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 09:01:59 AM
John:

Thank you for that link.  It all made sense and was a kind of mini refresher course for me.  The stuff about the gap energy was interesting and it never occurred to me.

However, like is often the case, there is still a huge problem:  If you are going to use an air gap then you need to explain your valid reason for doing it.  You need to back up your reason with measurements and numbers.  When is the last time you saw a free energy researcher determine what the saturation level was in his core for his chosen winding configuration and expected current and power levels and then make an intelligent design decision to add a gap of a certain thickness?  For me the answer is never and I am willing to bet for you the answer is never.

The main reason for the gap is to keep the saturating of the core at bay so that you don't run the risk of getting a huge current surge and meltdown based on your expected power throughput.  How many free energy researchers actually know that?

So my take on this is that people will but a gap in "because they can do it" without making any true design decisions.  They are just doing it by rote because they think they should be doing it.

That is simply no good.  It's just mindless paint-by-numbers copying from somebody else or mindless execution and they don't even know why.  In the real world we call that BS.

I know that these are sobering comments.  For this "bucking coils" project, I seriously doubt that anybody can intelligently articulate why they are "playing with the gap."  Playing with the gap certainly has nothing whatsoever to to with accessing any alleged extra power to achieve COP > 1.  Anybody is welcome to prove me wrong on this.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 09:36:20 AM
Quote from Milesly,

"I want to start a new crowd funding campaign:  Potty-mouth and ratchet boy filtering magic screen protector.  You know those privacy protectors you can put on your laptop screen?  Well this one would be similar to that.  We are using nanotech bots and neural networking technology.  There is a regular grid of little tiny tiny bots with cameras embedded in the screen protector.  Each one is like a tiny speck of pepper.  Each bot reads a small amount of what is on the screen and the neural network backbone works to decode and read what's on the screen and filter out the potty-mouth and ratchet boy prose in real time.  The neural network controls the LCD shuttering built into the screen protector.  I am looking for a name for it.  One candidate is "TrashStop."  Note that it rhymes with "trash talk."  Another candidate name is "CussOff!" Almost rhymes with....  If you contribute $100 you get a roll of toilet paper sent to you".

Take the first three cases and plug the chronic case of diarrhea from your mouth.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 09:45:43 AM
@TinselKoala,

Jerry Bayles has two block magnets magnetized through their thickness placed fields opposite to one another at the ends of a rotor strut pivoting on a central axle. How do you explain the frenzied twirling at the same 7.83 frequency of his spinning Chiral disks as Marco's toroid speaker magnets at the same orbo attraction neutralizing pulse frequency with the vast differences in magnet configuration?


It is a mechanical resonance caused by the geometry. Change the mass of the magnets or the length of the strut and watch the resonance occur at a different frequency. Watch the video and note that the magnets engage in "frenzied twirling" at many different readings of the... what?

Also, for the second time, where in the video is an actual measurement of frequency to hundredths of a Hz precision?

Quote
Magnetic standing wave around two variable speed disk magnets resonates with two small 'balance' magnets at the Schumann frequency (7.834 Hz) on the right side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcVg_K3U-uk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcVg_K3U-uk)

Neither Jerrry nor Marco increase input to achieve the increased magnet reaction. The action's a cosequence of the frequency. The "bucking coils" behave the same way. You guys can fail at your attempts as you so often choose to do, but eveyone's already hip to your stinking "Gansdorf Sting".

Keep it up, your ignorance is slightly amusing. You don't even seem to know what a "standing wave" actually is. The action is a consequence of "the frequency" and the mechanical geometry of the parts. It has _nothing_ to do with Schumann resonances. Change the geometry and you will see the resonant frequency change as well.

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 09:51:04 AM
Here is your "fetish" explained :)  :http://info.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Workshop/advice/coils/gap/

Read the link, and weep, because....

Quote
There's no free lunch :-(
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 10:00:23 AM


It is a mechanical resonance caused by the geometry. Change the mass of the magnets or the length of the strut and watch the resonance occur at a different frequency. Watch the video and note that the magnets engage in "frenzied twirling" at many different readings of the... what?

Also, for the second time, where in the video is an actual measurement of frequency to hundredths of a Hz precision?

Keep it up, your ignorance is slightly amusing. You don't even seem to know what a "standing wave" actually is. The action is a consequence of "the frequency" and the mechanical geometry of the parts. It has _nothing_ to do with Schumann resonances. Change the geometry and you will see the resonant frequency change as well.

@TinselKoala,

You've got a lot of nerve calling me ignorant when you're just shooting it out your ass.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 10:01:47 AM
Quote from Milesly,

"I want to start a new crowd funding campaign:  Potty-mouth and ratchet boy filtering magic screen protector.  You know those privacy protectors you can put on your laptop screen?  Well this one would be similar to that.  We are using nanotech bots and neural networking technology.  There is a regular grid of little tiny tiny bots with cameras embedded in the screen protector.  Each one is like a tiny speck of pepper.  Each bot reads a small amount of what is on the screen and the neural network backbone works to decode and read what's on the screen and filter out the potty-mouth and ratchet boy prose in real time.  The neural network controls the LCD shuttering built into the screen protector.  I am looking for a name for it.  One candidate is "TrashStop."  Note that it rhymes with "trash talk."  Another candidate name is "CussOff!" Almost rhymes with....  If you contribute $100 you get a roll of toilet paper sent to you".

Take the first three cases and plug the chronic case of diarrhea from your mouth.

I am testing my prototype so I can't really see what you are writing.

As a public service I am going to link to this informational clip that shows one of the markets served for CussOff!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RpCb6GGKf0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RpCb6GGKf0)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 10:08:34 AM
 Aim for around 25 - 40 Hz

What's Itzu have to say toward the end of his second video?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 10:33:28 AM
@TinselKoala,

You've got a lot of nerve calling me ignorant when you're just shooting it out your ass.

You prove your ignorance with just about every comment you make, and when you cannot refute me, you resort to your usual 8-year-old's retort: the potty mouth insult. Don't you think it's time you grew up?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 28, 2015, 02:02:53 PM
Koala, you start to piss me off. Take the F diode, put the wire as an anntena on one end, put the ground on the other end and put small speaker across the diode. And you will get your F speaker to work - F free work. F free lunch.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ramset on January 28, 2015, 02:13:23 PM
somebody say antennae ?
this man is convinced we can harvest much more from the spin fields inside ferrite

very very simple


http://bovan.net/gmweb2/The%20FS%20Loop.htm (http://bovan.net/gmweb2/The%20FS%20Loop.htm)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 28, 2015, 03:12:07 PM
somebody say antennae ?
this man is convinced we can harvest much more from the spin fields inside ferrite

very very simple


http://bovan.net/gmweb2/The%20FS%20Loop.htm (http://bovan.net/gmweb2/The%20FS%20Loop.htm)

Hi Ramset.  Did anybody actually experimented with that design?  A bit too long for quick reading :) Can you just describe it in two sentences what's happening in the cores and what it benefits from? it looks interesting anyway. ;)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ramset on January 28, 2015, 03:20:09 PM
John
any words I type here will be trounced upon by the google search unbenchful..{NOT referring to Tinsel ]
its a short read and well worth the look.[I just received this a few days ago]


http://bovan.net/gmweb2/The%20FS%20Loop.htm (http://bovan.net/gmweb2/The%20FS%20Loop.htm)
    .
                    The FS Loop Antenna;
              proof of concept for spin-fields
              within Ferrite Sleeve inductors.
                 by Graham Maynard.        14th February 2011.

I am investigating Maynard's work with Ferrites myself and seeking out others who have played with his ridiculously simple high gain concept.


besides some are playing with Ferrites  8)


thx
Chet
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 28, 2015, 03:40:50 PM
Hi Ramset. I'll take a look at it later.  I absolutely agree there is some potential in the ferrite rods. Especially ferromagnetic resonance - Akula is one who plays with this domain.  Also magnetic delay can be handful for our devices.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 28, 2015, 04:48:57 PM
It appears the discussion forums here really could use some sort of moderation to help keep discussions more constructive.
There is a world of difference between constructive criticism/suggestions, which usually can be expressed in just
a few posts, as compared to deliberate attempts to insult or otherwise be rude or disruptive, etc., in order to try to derail
a discussion. Constantly repeating the same sort of thing over an over in multiple posts is also not constructive.
Much of the posts that have been made in this thread really just serve to derail the discussion here. Constructive criticism can
always be made respectfully, if a person just makes a little effort and employs a little bit of self control.
 
If someone doesn't want to listen to another person's suggestions/constructive criticisms, then so be it. A point can
be made in a post or two, and if a person is not going to consider your suggestions, then simply move on. The point has already
been made. No need to keep repeating it over and over again. ;) Too often here, criticisms made are really just veiled or outright insults.
That, of course,  is not a constructive way at all to carry on a discussion.


John.k1, Ramset:  Thanks for posting those links. It looks really interesting. I will read through it later
when I get the chance.

All the best...


Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: stupify12 on January 28, 2015, 05:12:29 PM
Void,

Read and review the pdf shown here. Then review the Vladimir Uttkin pdf files then think clearly like a kindergarten with no added Quanterion Math..


Meow

It appears the discussion forums here really could use some sort of moderation to help keep discussions more constructive.
There is a world of difference between constructive criticism/suggestions, which usually can be expressed in just
a few posts, as compared to deliberate attempts to insult or otherwise be rude or disruptive, etc., in order to try to derail
a discussion. Constantly repeating the same sort of thing over an over in multiple posts is also not constructive.
Much of the posts that have been made in this thread really just serve to derail the discussion here. Constructive criticism can
always be made respectfully, if a person just makes a little effort and employs a little bit of self control.
 
If someone doesn't want to listen to another person's suggestions/constructive criticisms, then so be it. A point can
be made in a post or two, and if a person is not going to consider your suggestions, then simply move on. The point has already
been made. No need to keep repeating it over and over again. ;) Too often here, criticisms made are really just veiled or outright insults.
That, of course,  is not a constructive way at all to carry on a discussion.


John.k1, Ramset:  Thanks for posting those links. It looks really interesting. I will read through it later
when I get the chance.

All the best...
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 28, 2015, 05:43:30 PM
Void,
Read and review the pdf shown here. Then review the Vladimir Uttkin pdf files then think clearly like a kindergarten with no added Quanterion Math..
Meow

Hi Stupify12. I have read through both PDF's. I have also already done a fair bit of experimentation with such coil arrangements 
over the last several years, and I have seen some interesting effects. I am still experimenting. My mind always operates at
a kindergarten level. It's the best I can do... ;D
All the best..
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: minnie on January 28, 2015, 06:45:06 PM



   Void,
         some sort of moderation should be avoided.
  If topics aren't kept towards the top of the page-they die!
             John.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ramset on January 28, 2015, 07:02:07 PM
Minnie
topics will die here for sure,but I a sure you  ...those more controversial things with merit have found other places to work ,  However things will always work there way back to this and other open source forums.


you can only take so much google teaching,   sometimes it takes doing too....

respectfully


Chet
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 07:06:42 PM


It is a mechanical resonance caused by the geometry. Change the mass of the magnets or the length of the strut and watch the resonance occur at a different frequency. Watch the video and note that the magnets engage in "frenzied twirling" at many different readings of the... what?

Also, for the second time, where in the video is an actual measurement of frequency to hundredths of a Hz precision?

Keep it up, your ignorance is slightly amusing. You don't even seem to know what a "standing wave" actually is. The action is a consequence of "the frequency" and the mechanical geometry of the parts. It has _nothing_ to do with Schumann resonances. Change the geometry and you will see the resonant frequency change as well.

@TinselKoala,

You have alot to say for somebody who's too cheap to even buy a tiny bar magnet or a neo sphere. I own hundreds of magnets and like playing with them. Let's see you back some of these false claims of yours up with some evidence! The balance magnets react at different frequencies because the Shumann resonance has harmonics. Magnet geometry in no way causes the pattern of resonant harmonics.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 08:50:52 PM
Study this video by Jerry Bayles. The stationary disk magnets are what we're calling a "Bucking Configuration".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5OQmzv2W-Ys

"The video shows a macroscopic version of a quantum effect where the electron must revolve twice to turn itself around once. Hence the so-called spin 1/2. Note that the two disk magnets are identical and the fields are aiding and pass through the axis of the disks, which is the thin side only. The balance magnets are bar magnets where the fields pass through the smallest dimension, that is across the flat sides and each magnet is opposite the other in its field orientation. This can represent the uncertainty in position of an electron since there are pairs of each type of magnet displaced in distance from each other. Close examination of the above action show that for each time the balance magnets return to the starting condition, 1080 degrees of bar magnet rotation occur and 720 degrees of balance magnet orbits occur which is two rotations. There is energy in the outer field that can be tapped into and the field may even provide propulsion under the right circumstances".

Go: http://www.electrogravity.com
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 28, 2015, 08:54:37 PM
 I did a first test with my first partnered output coil. Please see the attached drawings and photos (see the attached circuit diagram).

INPUT  10 Vpp Sine from function generator through 100 Ohm:
50 Hz Sine , Veff 2.2 V , VDeff 2.16 V , Watt = 2.2 * 2.16 /100 = 47 mW
1 kHz Sine, Veff 3 V, VDeff 1.5 V , Watt =3 * 1.5 / 100 = 31 mW
2 kHz Sine ,  Veff 3.28 V , VDeff 1 V , Watt = 3.28 * 1  / 100 = 33 mW
3 kHz Sine ,  Veff 3.36 V , VDwff 0.68 V , Watt = 3.36 * 0.68 / 100 = 23 mW


OUTPUT over 100 Ohm:
50 Hz Sine, Veff 0.028 V, Watt = 0.028 * 0.028 / 100 = 8 µW
1 kHz Sine, Veff 0.34 V, Watt = 0.34 * 0.34 / 100 = 1.1 mW
2 kHz Sine ,  Veff 0.39 V, Watt = 0.39 * 0.39 / 100 = 1.5 mW
3 kHz Sine,  Veff 0.36 V , Watt = 0.36 * 0.36 / 100 = 1.3 mW


The highest output is at around 2400 Hz: INPUT ~ 30 mW, OUTPUT ~ 1.5 mW.

I also tried a square wave signal from the function generator and the results were similar. A square wave signal causes spikes and distortions at the input and output. I will show scope shots in the coming days. But first I would need input from the experts (MileHigh, TinselKoala, others who know something, may be EMJunkie feels like helping out with some suggestions.)

I also know that the core halves should be separated a bit (may be several millimetres) to cause a loose coupling of the partnered coils. I have not done that yet.


Please comment. Help is appreciated.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S: (Tests with a higher current through the primary are in preparation, several Watt. Amplification of the signal from the Function Generator with a transistor and my laboratory power supply will be done in the coming days.)

 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 09:06:55 PM
@Conradelectro,

Here's a comment from Chris Sykes. Please pay close attention to what he's saying:

@ALL,

About Frequency's, a small experiment:

1: Fuse your input just to be safe first!
2: Slowly drop your running frequency down...
3: Hold in your hand, a small magnet, close to your device.
4: Keep dropping your Frequency until you can Feel the Magnet Jump around.
5: Check all around your device with the Magnet

I found this good to get a feel for what's going on. And, yes easy for the sceptics to go to town here, but it did help me.

Also, on a side Note: Start thinking about the potentials of the Partnered Output Coils! Think about each Coil being a Bucket, How much Water can it hold...

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

P.S: You should hear a Chattering of your device. Aim for around 25 - 40 Hz to do this experiment.

P.P.S: This Experiment is fairly important, so please don't pass it by! Please Run the Experiment and report your Results!  ;)


« Last Edit: January 25, 2015, 02:23:56 AM by EMJunkie
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 28, 2015, 09:11:23 PM
Attached please see a circuit from Jean Louis Naudin for amplification of a signal from the Function Generator. I will use 10 to 15 Volt from the power supply (not up to 80 Volt like Naudin). A shunt of 10 Ohm in series with the primary should result in about 1 Watt through the primary.

Any ideas? Good way of doing it?

I also have a 12 Watt mono audio amplifier, but this would need a rewind of the coil with thicker wire.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 28, 2015, 09:55:13 PM
Ok, Let's be a bit nice to Tinsel too.  :D  You might be right about the oscillating magnets.  The mass , center of mass , the distances and the strength of magnetic field might (and does) play role here too.  On the picture you can see my set-up. Two magnet discs on long magnet bar and in my hand I am holding the pulsing coil (yes Tinsel, there are not wires from that coil , I did this picture after I performed the test and I was lazy to put them back ;)  ) In any case I was pulsing it from 3Hz up to 45Hz and as my frequency was rising so did the vibration of magnets - unfortunately. May be I did something wrong ;)

In the back you can see my set-up of backed air core coils I play with. My ratio is there around 1:20 and I am getting HV on the cental tap. Some interesting effects there as well. May be I will do my fist YouTube video ever for you :)
Cheers,

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 28, 2015, 10:07:30 PM
Ok, Let's be a bit nice to Tinsel too.  :D  You might be right about the oscillating magnets.  The mass , center of mass , the distances and the strength of magnetic field might (and does) play role here too.  On the picture you can see my set-up. Two magnet discs on long magnet bar and in my hand I am holding the pulsing coil (yes Tinsel, there are not wires from that coil , I did this picture after I performed the test and I was lazy to put them back ;)  ) In any case I was pulsing it from 3Hz up to 45Hz and as my frequency was rising so did the vibration of magnets - unfortunately. May be I did something wrong ;)

In the back you can see my set-up of backed air core coils I play with. My ratio is there around 1:20 and I am getting HV on the cental tap. Some interesting effects there as well. May be I will do my fist YouTube video ever for you :)
Cheers,

@John.k1,

Let me point out that the coil in the "Dancing Magnets" video is a neutralization coil, and that it's the magnetic attraction of the speaker magnets to the ferrite toroid beneath the coil windings that's causing the magnets to oscillate, not the force of an electro-magnetic coil pulse. What the coil in the video does is mask the magnetic attraction to the ferrite. A very different kind of test!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 28, 2015, 10:39:38 PM
Hi Synchro, I didn't get it.  Does that means that you magnetize the ferrite toroid beneath the coils?  If i good understand, both poles are actually sitting on the ferrite- so which pole you neutralize?  8)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 11:07:51 PM
Attached please see a circuit from Jean Louis Naudin for amplification of a signal from the Function Generator. I will use 10 to 15 Volt from the power supply (not up to 80 Volt like Naudin). A shunt of 10 Ohm in series with the primary should result in about 1 Watt through the primary.

Any ideas? Good way of doing it?

I also have a 12 Watt mono audio amplifier, but this would need a rewind of the coil with thicker wire.

Greetings, Conrad

Your schematic is a 100 percent bog-standard lowside switch arrangement.

You can use any N-channel mosfet. For good response time your FG should deliver 8-10 volts peak to the Gate. I would use a mosfet with lower Rdss, like IRF3205 or similar (55V, 110 A, 0.008 ohm Rdss); the IRF840 has higher voltage but lower current capability and will dissipate much more power internally so may need a heatsink (500V, 8A, 0.850 ohm Rdss) ;  with the 3205 you won't even need a heatsink if you are only driving one watt through it. For higher powers (that is, more supply voltage and less load resistance) you can change to a TO-247 power mosfet like IRFP260N.

The pulldown resistor is too low a value in the schematic. This is there only to allow the gate charge to be removed from the mosfet so it will turn off cleanly. You can use 100K here or even higher, especially at low pulse frequencies. If you pulse with a symmetrical squarewave (negative as well as positive pulses) you don't even need a resistor here at all, the negative part of the drive pulse will turn the mosfet off _hard_. Just don't exceed the maximum gate voltage (usually 20 V wrt Source) with either polarity of the drive pulse. It is common to put a low-value resistor in series with the gate pulse (10 or 100 ohm) to limit current in case the mosfet fails shorted.

Depending on the inductive backspike when the mosfet turns off and what you want to do with the spike, you may or may not want to install an ultrafast high current diode, reverse biased, across the coil, or across the mosfet from Drain to Source to supplement the internal body diode.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 11:16:16 PM
Why don't you guys start a separate oscillating magnets thread because it has nothing to do with the partnered output coils?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 11:25:32 PM
Conrad, TK:

The issue that I have with the low-side MOSFET switch is that I don't believe that it is the right type of excitation as called for in Chris' documents.  The MOSFET alternates between a low impedance drive signal and then a high impedance disconnect.  I believe the "correct" drive signal would come from a continuously connected sine wave voltage source like from an audio amplifier.

I think a handy drive signal source would be a cheap car audio amplifier.  It runs off of 12 volts and has a differential pair output.  I believe that they are basically giant operational amplifiers.  If you get a really powerful car audio amp then it's current sourcing and current sinking capabilities must be quite high.  In other words it's a "stiff" variable voltage source, to use MarkE's terminology.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 11:26:01 PM
I did a first test with my first partnered output coil. Please see the attached drawings and photos (see the attached circuit diagram).

INPUT  10 Vpp Sine from function generator through 100 Ohm:
50 Hz Sine , Veff 2.2 V , VDeff 2.16 V , Watt = 2.2 * 2.16 /100 = 47 mW
1 kHz Sine, Veff 3 V, VDeff 1.5 V , Watt =3 * 1.5 / 100 = 31 mW
2 kHz Sine ,  Veff 3.28 V , VDeff 1 V , Watt = 3.28 * 1  / 100 = 33 mW
3 kHz Sine ,  Veff 3.36 V , VDwff 0.68 V , Watt = 3.36 * 0.68 / 100 = 23 mW


OUTPUT over 100 Ohm:
50 Hz Sine, Veff 0.028 V, Watt = 0.028 * 0.028 / 100 = 8 µW
1 kHz Sine, Veff 0.34 V, Watt = 0.34 * 0.34 / 100 = 1.1 mW
2 kHz Sine ,  Veff 0.39 V, Watt = 0.39 * 0.39 / 100 = 1.5 mW
3 kHz Sine,  Veff 0.36 V , Watt = 0.36 * 0.36 / 100 = 1.3 mW


The highest output is at around 2400 Hz: INPUT ~ 30 mW, OUTPUT ~ 1.5 mW.

I also tried a square wave signal from the function generator and the results were similar. A square wave signal causes spikes and distortions at the input and output. I will show scope shots in the coming days. But first I would need input from the experts (MileHigh, TinselKoala, others who know something, may be EMJunkie feels like helping out with some suggestions.)

I also know that the core halves should be separated a bit (may be several millimetres) to cause a loose coupling of the partnered coils. I have not done that yet.


Please comment. Help is appreciated.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S: (Tests with a higher current through the primary are in preparation, several Watt. Amplification of the signal from the Function Generator with a transistor and my laboratory power supply will be done in the coming days.)

Nicely done. If you scan through all frequencies you will find a frequency range that will cause the output voltage to peak, as you have noted.  I +think+ that is what EMJ is doing for "tuning", at least in Exp1 and 2 in his pdf. This is the quasi-resonant condition and will be higher frequency for "bucking" and lower for "aiding" connections of the partnered coils... and can even be calculated based on the inductances measured in each case. This difference in frequency can be pretty large if the inductance difference is large. (The 'bucking' connection is essentially equivalent to a standard hairpin bifilar "noninductive" winding as far as inductance cancelling goes. Whether it has other effects different from that winding is still to be determined, as far as I can tell.)

Don't forget, when scoping input and output at the same time, that your probe reference clips ("grounds") are connected together at the scope chassis (probably; you should check this with a DMM continuity tester with scope turned off.) Also check to see if the probe ground references are connected back through the chassis to the line cord ground pin. Make the same check for your FG, see if the "black" output lead (BNC shield) is connected back to the line cord ground pin. It's easy to create inadvertent groundloops with FGs and scope probe reference leads.

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 11:30:59 PM
Conrad, TK:

The issue that I have with the low-side MOSFET switch is that I don't believe that it is the right type of excitation as called for in Chris' documents.  The MOSFET alternates between a low impedance drive signal and then a high impedance disconnect.  I believe the "correct" drive signal would come from a continuously connected sine wave voltage source like from an audio amplifier.

I think a handy drive signal source would be a cheap car audio amplifier.  It runs off of 12 volts and has a differential pair output.  I believe that they are basically giant operational amplifiers.  If you get a really powerful car audio amp then it's current sourcing and current sinking capabilities must be quite high.  In other words it's a "stiff" variable voltage source, to use MarkE's terminology.

MileHigh
This is true, but with careful Gate drive voltage settings you can keep the mosfet in its linear response region so it will do a sine wave output when driven with a sine wave input. This will heat the mosfet more than a square wave will, but it does work.

Or one could use a high-power bipolar transistor like 2n3055 instead of the mosfet.

After all, the car audio systems generally also use mosfets as final output transistors... and they are harder to fix than a purpose-built amplifier where everything is out in the open.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 28, 2015, 11:32:05 PM
Why don't you guys start a separate oscillating magnets thread because it has nothing to do with the partnered output coils?
Magnetismus has nothing to do with the bucket coils? ;) Maybe I forgot to insult someone in my comment to be a part of this thread ;)
Fair enough , here is the last video of Acula , showing something what I believe belongs here.
http://youtu.be/pYjREkw1v-A
He is showing 2x60W  and he is gonna make it self-runner. His next design will be on iron core.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 11:35:02 PM
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Don't forget, when scoping input and output at the same time, that your probe reference clips ("grounds") are connected together at the scope chassis (probably; you should check this with a DMM continuity tester with scope turned off.) Also check to see if the probe ground references are connected back through the chassis to the line cord ground pin. Make the same check for your FG, see if the "black" output lead (BNC shield) is connected back to the line cord ground pin. It's easy to create inadvertent groundloops with FGs and scope probe reference leads.

Yes indeed.  I forgot to mention in my previous post that any serious experimenter should have two or three isolation transformers to give them much more flexibility for where they can attach their signal generators, scope grounds, etc, in a circuit.  I would assume that they might be cheap and possible to find at an electronics surplus place.  Perhaps "50% bigger than a fist" sized would be a good size.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 11:37:52 PM
Ok, Let's be a bit nice to Tinsel too.  :D  You might be right about the oscillating magnets.  The mass , center of mass , the distances and the strength of magnetic field might (and does) play role here too.  On the picture you can see my set-up. Two magnet discs on long magnet bar and in my hand I am holding the pulsing coil (yes Tinsel, there are not wires from that coil , I did this picture after I performed the test and I was lazy to put them back ;)  ) In any case I was pulsing it from 3Hz up to 45Hz and as my frequency was rising so did the vibration of magnets - unfortunately. May be I did something wrong ;)

In the back you can see my set-up of backed air core coils I play with. My ratio is there around 1:20 and I am getting HV on the cental tap. Some interesting effects there as well. May be I will do my fist YouTube video ever for you :)
Cheers,

How could you be doing anything "wrong" when it is so unclear just what "right" might be?
 :o

Your aircore coil set in the back could be run as a resonator for a solid-state Tesla coil. With the right drive frequency and coupling between the primary and the secondary you can get VRSWR: voltage rise by standing wave resonance, which will indeed produce interesting effects at the top of the coil.  It's easy to light up neons and fluorescents with the output, even with just ordinary drive straight from the FG to the primary. With a bit more circuitry you can make the primary drive "autotune" to the resonant frequency of the secondary, and feed the primary with higher current ... then you will _really_ see some interesting effects from the secondary.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 28, 2015, 11:40:39 PM
Magnetismus has nothing to do with the bucket coils? ;) Maybe I forgot to insult someone in my comment to be a part of this thread ;)
Fair enough , here is the last video of Acula , showing something what I believe belongs here.
http://youtu.be/pYjREkw1v-A (http://youtu.be/pYjREkw1v-A)
He is showing 2x60W  and he is gonna make it self-runner. His next design will be on iron core.

Good luck trying to get anything Akula presents as a "self runner" actually to work. Nobody else has ever done so, and I personally believe that all his "ou" effects are fakes in one way or another. He's fishing for a Big Fish... so don't be chum.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 11:46:37 PM
A new clip from Itsu trying out a new configuration suggested by Chris:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr_4EgpBE7g&feature=youtu.be

This one is "fighting EMFs from two bucking coils creating a short circuit in parallel with a load resistor."  We are really pulling out all the stops.

It's related to the attached scope capture compliments of Itsu and his comments below plucked from OUR:

Quote
An alternative method to check if my coils are in bucking mode or not was presented by MileHigh on my youtube channel
He proposed to probe the both partner coils with 2 probes with the ground leads at the center point.
He states:   "The outputs should be in phase for bucking mode and 180 degrees out of phase for normal mode."

See here the screenshot of this setup which shows both signals in phase, meaning in bucking mode.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 28, 2015, 11:50:32 PM
Quote
Good luck trying to get anything Akula presents as a "self runner" actually to work. Nobody else has ever done so, and I personally believe that all his "ou" effects are fakes in one way or another. He's fishing for a Big Fish... so don't be chum.

Recently somewhere around here I mentioned my "attention wanker" theory.  It could be an almost or literal sexual thrill for Akula in the USSR to get the Westies to jump though hoops for him.
 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 28, 2015, 11:51:41 PM
How could you be doing anything "wrong" when it is so unclear just what "right" might be?
 :o

Your aircore coil set in the back could be run as a resonator for a solid-state Tesla coil. With the right drive frequency and coupling between the primary and the secondary you can get VRSWR: voltage rise by standing wave resonance, which will indeed produce interesting effects at the top of the coil.  It's easy to light up neons and fluorescents with the output, even with just ordinary drive straight from the FG to the primary. With a bit more circuitry you can make the primary drive "autotune" to the resonant frequency of the secondary, and feed the primary with higher current ... then you will _really_ see some interesting effects from the secondary.
-,
That's what I have said before, it is like two Tesla coils connected et the tops and bottoms.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 29, 2015, 12:02:09 AM
Conrad, TK:

The issue that I have with the low-side MOSFET switch is that I don't believe that it is the right type of excitation as called for in Chris' documents.  The MOSFET alternates between a low impedance drive signal and then a high impedance disconnect.  I believe the "correct" drive signal would come from a continuously connected sine wave voltage source like from an audio amplifier.

I think a handy drive signal source would be a cheap car audio amplifier.  It runs off of 12 volts and has a differential pair output.  I believe that they are basically giant operational amplifiers.  If you get a really powerful car audio amp then it's current sourcing and current sinking capabilities must be quite high.  In other words it's a "stiff" variable voltage source, to use MarkE's terminology.

MileHigh
More on this topic of "correct" drive: The driver circuit EMJ uses for Exp1 and 2 in the pdf is a high-side switch using mosfets, with a unipolar output pulse. The other circuits he has recommended, like an H-bridge, will also give an approximately squarewave bipolar pulse to the coils.

See below screenshot from one of his videos (bottom trace is drive from his H-bridge, I believe):
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 12:10:19 AM
TK:

Thanks, I suppose "anything is possible."   I thought that it was supposed to be "sine wave in - sine wave out."

I mentioned a while back that the "sine wave in - sine wave out" is like testing a conventional transformer, but instead the conventional transformer is replaced with a "newfangled bucking transfomer."

With the low-side or high-side MOSFET switching you are back in Joule Thief territory, which is a completely different ball game.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 29, 2015, 12:25:58 AM
 @TinselKoala, @MileHigh: thank you for the advice.
 
 I got the AUIRFZ34N
 
 V(BR)DSS  55V
 RDS(on) max.  0.040Ω
 ID  29A
 
 seems also to be better suited than the IRF840.
 
 But I think I go directly to my mono audio amplifier, as MileHigh suggests. I do not think that it will show something special, but one should try it any way.
 
 http://www.conrad.at/ce/de/product/117560/Kemo-Verstaerker-Modul-M032N-Baustein-6-16-VDC-Ausgangsleistung-12-W (http://www.conrad.at/ce/de/product/117560/Kemo-Verstaerker-Modul-M032N-Baustein-6-16-VDC-Ausgangsleistung-12-W)
 
 The question is how to connect the function generator to the input of the audio amplifier. The description suggests a 10 K potentiometer.


Attached please see a circuit diagram for the connection of the audio amplifier (function generator, primary).
 
 I will check my function generator, the oscilloscope and the laboratory power supply for ground connections.
 
 Greetings, Conrad[/font]
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 12:32:47 AM
Conrad:

Thank you for doing a replication To discuss your posting #472.

I don't get your usage of the 100-ohm resistor on the function generator side. Shouldn't it just be one ohm or even 1/2 ohm?  In other words just a current sensing/viewing resistor?  The power input to the circuit is the RMS voltage across the 60-turn coil times the RMS current as measured with the voltage across the current sensing resistor.

I am making an assumption that at low frequencies the current and voltage will be in phase.  Also, to be a bit more precise, with your existing probe placement, the AC voltage across the 60-turn coil will be the AC voltage measured with channel 2 minus the AC voltage measured with channel 1.  Again, I am assuming a one-ohm or 1/2 ohm current sensing resistor, not a 100-ohm resistor.

You should put component designations on your schematic (R1, R2, L1, L2, etc) to make life easier when discussing your circuit.

Your transformer itself looks great.  Note as a (hopefully) interesting exercise, you can take your analysis one step further because you measured all of the coil resistances.  So you can measure your power dissipation in the coils themselves.  I am "keeping it simple" here and assuming a sine wave excitation waveform from your function generator.   In theory there is nothing to be gained by using a nasty square wave excitation waveform.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 12:48:15 AM
TK:

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This is true, but with careful Gate drive voltage settings you can keep the mosfet in its linear response region so it will do a sine wave output when driven with a sine wave input. This will heat the mosfet more than a square wave will, but it does work.

Yes thank you for reminding me about that.  Of course that would be kind of tricky to do and it is "dumb" with no negative feedback.  I believe a big fat MOSFET car audio amplifier is essentially the same thing but it includes the magic of the negative feedback.  So all of the "MOSFET linear region balancing" is hidden inside a black box and you don't have to worry about it.  The differential pair output from the audio amplifier can be a current sourcing and sinking beast that will hold the voltage to whatever the input says the voltage should be.  At least that's my understanding of it.

Also, to be "truer to the spirit of working on the bench" I seem to recall that you posted some nice schematics where a standard op-amp drives a complimentary pair of power transistors to give you a high-current op-amp.  But heck if a $100 car audio amplifier gives you a MOSFET-based 150-watt power servo amplifier (wild guess) that's pretty tempting.

And I will have no stupid snarky comments from Synchro1 please.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 29, 2015, 12:53:25 AM
The difference between "bucking" and "aiding" series connections of the partnered coils is just the reversal of the hookup of one of the coils, right?

So you can use the "Secret of DPDT", installing a simple double pole, double throw switch on one of the coils to "flip" its connection to the load and the other coil. The "aiding" configuration will have a higher inductance than the "bucking" configuration.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 29, 2015, 01:02:51 AM
TK:

Yes thank you for reminding me about that.  Of course that would be kind of tricky to do and it is "dumb" with no negative feedback.  I believe a big fat MOSFET car audio amplifier is essentially the same thing but it includes the magic of the negative feedback.  So all of the "MOSFET linear region balancing" is hidden inside a black box and you don't have to worry about it.  The differential pair output from the audio amplifier can be a current sourcing and sinking beast that will hold the voltage to whatever the input says the voltage should be.  At least that's my understanding of it.

Also, to be "truer to the spirit of working on the bench" I seem to recall that you posted some nice schematics where a standard op-amp drives a complimentary pair of power transistors to give you a high-current op-amp.  But heck if a $100 car audio amplifier gives you a MOSFET-based 150-watt power servo amplifier (wild guess) that's pretty tempting.

And I will have no stupid snarky comments from Synchro1 please.

MileHigh
Yes, that's right and it's simple to do, thanks for reminding me. The slight complication here is that one does need a bipolar power supply for the op amp and the power transistors. But if you have a dual PSU that can be put in series mode, or use two batteries, that's easy enough to arrange.

I've demonstrated this circuit both driving a motor load (M), and of course driving a coil in the "MescalMotor". I don't know what the maximum frequency response is though, but it will certainly handle the low audio frequencies that seem to be "preferred" here.

The transistors should probably be on heatsinks if you are going for high power thruput. For low power you can use any NPN-PNP pair, just about. I used BC337-25 and BC556 in the MescalMotor coildriver. Or 2n2222a and 2n2907.  The 741 op-amp is common and cheap as the dirt it's made from.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 29, 2015, 01:04:13 AM
I don't get your usage of the 100-ohm resistor on the function generator side. Shouldn't it just be one ohm or even 1/2 ohm?  In other words just a current sensing/viewing resistor?  The power input to the circuit is the RMS voltage across the 60-turn coil times the RMS current as measured with the voltage across the current sensing resistor.

I do not like to connect my function generator to something without a current limiting resistor. I know it has an internal resistance of 50 Ohm, but I do not want to overload it. Therefore I have chosen a 100 Ohm resistor as a shunt (instead of a 1 Ohm resistor).

This was a first test, just to see if something strange happens at low power.

The real test will be with my mono audio amplifier as I indicated in my last post.


I am making an assumption that at low frequencies the current and voltage will be in phase.  Also, to be a bit more precise, with your existing probe placement, the AC voltage across the 60-turn coil will be the AC voltage measured with channel 2 minus the AC voltage measured with channel 1.  Again, I am assuming a one-ohm or 1/2 ohm current sensing resistor, not a 100-ohm resistor.

Yes, current and voltage (at the input side) were in phase at 50 Hz, but at 1 kHz and higher there was a shift, may be 10 degrees.

How would I measure the shift at the output side, since the Voltage over the load resistor is at the same time the Voltage Drop and the Voltage over the output coil?


You should put component designations on your schematic (R1, R2, L1, L2, etc) to make life easier when discussing your circuit.

Your transformer itself looks great.  Note as a (hopefully) interesting exercise, you can take your analysis one step further because you measured all of the coil resistances.  So you can measure your power dissipation in the coils themselves.  I am "keeping it simple" here and assuming a sine wave excitation waveform from your function generator.   In theory there is nothing to be gained by using a nasty square wave excitation waveform.

Will try to remember component designations in my next diagram.

My next tests will be with sine wave excitation by help of my mono audio amp (12 Watt max).

Thank you for your help, greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 29, 2015, 01:10:24 AM
Jerry Bayles shows how two balance magnets, fields opposite on a bar and axle, align parallel to the axis of two Chiral magnets, and 90 degrees to the perpendicular on the other side. It would be interesting to see if a pair of balance magnets would behave the same way on either side of the two opposie poles of "Bucking Coils" supplied with DC curent.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 29, 2015, 01:17:35 AM
I do not like to connect my function generator to something without a current limiting resistor. I know it has an internal resistance of 50 Ohm, but I do not want to overload it. Therefore I have chosen a 100 Ohm resistor as a shunt (instead of a 1 Ohm resistor).

This was a first test, just to see if something strange happens at low power.

The real test will be with my mono audio amplifier as I indicated in my last post.
Just be sure to always provide a proper impedance to the output of the amplifier to avoid blowing the output transistors.
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Yes, current and voltage (at the input side) were in phase at 50 Hz, but at 1 kHz and higher there was a shift, may be 10 degrees.

How would I measure the shift at the output side, since the Voltage over the load resistor is at the same time the Voltage Drop and the Voltage over the output coil?
The "assumption" is that a resistive load will produce no phase shift between voltage V and current I on the output side. To confirm this, connect a 1R CVR in series with the load resistor. Connect both probe references to the coil side of the CVR, and the "I" probe to the load-CVR connection. The other "V" probe to the other side of the load resistor where it connects back to the coil set. Use the minimum wiring lengths you can arrange, including the probe references, so that you aren't adding inductances to your test setup.
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Will try to remember component designations in my next diagram.

My next tests will be with sine wave excitation by help of my mono audio amp (12 Watt max).

Thank you for your help, greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 01:48:28 AM
Conrad:

Certainly using a 10K trimmer pot will work on the amplifier input.  It looks like that amplifier module has an built-in voltage inverter that takes the power supply input and generates the opposite voltage.  I can't read German so I am assuming this.  So if you connect a +12-volt power supply to the module it generates -12 volts internally.

Going back to using the function generator as the only drive source, I seriously doubt that it can be damaged by driving a low impedance load.  However, do not rely on my advice, if you are curios check with experts like TK, MarkE or Itsu.  I am pretty sure that your function generator has a servo-amplifier output stage that connects in series with a 50-ohm resistor before the signal goes to the outside world.  So the function generator amplifier itself never sees a short if you were to short the output.  i.e.; If you short the output it sees a 50-ohm load.  The real way to destroy the function generator output would be to connect an external high voltage source to the output terminals.

Going back to your input power calculations, I want to emphasize that you were calculating the power going into in the 100-ohm resistor, and not into the 60-turn coil.  So if you wanted to do another function generator test and keep the 100-ohm resistor that would be fine, but you still have to calculate the power going into the 60-turn coil.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 01:59:32 AM
This is a shout-out to all of the early replicators.  That includes Skywatcher123 and some others.  Where are you?  It seems to me like when some other replicators get involved you all get shy and run away.  Don't be shy, you should come back and try to do your own replications.

I scolded many of you because you were doing bullshit replications.  You were just taking circuits that you were already familiar with and modifying them slightly and pretending that that they were replications of Chris' circuit.  That's just nonsense.

You can see what is going on right now.   So why don't you come back and get involved?  What you have to do is do a real replication, not the fake pseudo replications that you were doing before.

I challenged you early replicators to discuss how to make proper measurements, and none of you had anything to say.  Now you can see a real discussion going on about making proper measurements, so there is nothing stopping you from getting involved.

I have seen this pattern many times before.  You now have a chance to get involved again but do it right - don't present bullshit fake circuits, present the real circuit and make the real measurements.   You have to measure power-in vs. power out.  If you don't do that then you are faking it and wasting your time.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 29, 2015, 02:31:23 AM
This is a shout-out to all of the early replicators.  That includes Skywatcher123 and some others.

Actually, some  more people are looking at this, so this ass clown thought he'd better stir things up again, by trying to bait the early replicators.

Such is the pattern of the paid shill.


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Where are you?

He knows full well they followed Chris to the OUR forum...how you may ask ?

Because they posted their intentions in this thread.


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It seems to me like when some other replicators get involved you all get shy and run away.

They, like Chris were fed up with harassment from the paid idea killers. 


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I scolded many of you because you were doing bullshit replications.

Scolded by a paid ass clown shill, he means.
 

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You were just taking circuits that you were already familiar with and modifying them slightly and pretending that that they were replications of Chris' circuit.  That's just nonsense.

This doosh wouldn't know a replication, because he has never done one.


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You can see what is going on right now.

Yes, I believe just about everyone can now see what this ass clown is all about...turmoil - chaos and flux = distraction.
   

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So why don't you come back and get involved?  What you have to do is do a real replication, not the fake pseudo replications that you were doing before.

This doosh wouldn't know a replication, because he has never done one.

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I challenged you early replicators to discuss how to make proper measurements, and none of you had anything to say.
 

The ass clown will of course let us all know when he invents a gauge to measure magnetism and gravity.


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Now you can see a real discussion going on about making proper measurements, so there is nothing stopping you from getting involved.

The real discussion is likely at OUR.


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I have seen this pattern many times before.


He sure has.


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You have to measure power-in vs. power out.  If you don't do that then you are faking it and wasting your time.

He, above all about wasting time...everyone else's, that is.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 02:44:10 AM
Chris:

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I certainly do not want to come to this forum and Criticise others, but if I may say, MileHigh, does not understand, what is going on in these devices! Although he is a smart guy, if I may suggest, that what he says is taken with just as much weight in the other direction   I am sorry and I hope this is not taken the wrong way

Yes, you are in spin mode.  You have been in spin mode almost the whole time starting with the discussion about the non-existent Bloch wall.  I know that you said that you have dedicated many years of your life to this.  The problem is that if the foundation is no good, then no matter how 'slick and cool' the house may appear to be, the house if going to collapse sooner rather than later.  There is no point in dedicating yourself to something if you are going in the wrong direction.

You are just treading water right now, and it's going to grimmer and grimmer as more results come in.  I am no super expert, I don't even really and truly like electronics.  But this is my former profession and you can't just pretend that "you know better."  It looks like most of your research has been from questionable GIGO sources.  The real truth is more important than your ego and likewise it's more important than my ego.  "Bucking coils" in a transformer is just one of many nonsensical electronic circuit designs that you see on the forums.  Reality and the truth will prevail.  Did you read my posting about the issue of having a gap in the core?  Similar issues are at play for your entire proposition.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 02:53:25 AM
Captain Zero:

The usual hollow, unproductive, miserable, untruthful, sourpuss crap from you.  I bet you say that to impress the boys.

I think you need to sit on this.  That will shut you up.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 03:34:21 AM
Groundloop:

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I have made my two Partnered Output Coils. I did try to make two identical coils,
but it was difficult. One coil is 91.85mH and the other is 91.94mH (Without any
core in them.) I did wind one coil CW and the other coil CCW and did mark the
winding direction with an arrow symbol. Now the question, what way must I
put the coils onto the core to get the correct canceling of the magnetic field?

There is an important issue I am going to discuss here.   I am quoting your text, just as an example.  My comments below are not directed at you personally.

Just the fact that Chris and many others will say, "wind one coil clockwise and wind the other coil counter-clockwise" shows the faults and pitfalls with trying to educate yourself about electronics and looking in the wrong places.  I am sure that Chris and many others have been saying this "CW" vs. "CCW" winding stuff for years.

If you said this to someone seasoned and experienced in electronics they would give you a funny look for sure.  It's because clockwise vs. counter-clockwise is almost meaningless.  To state the requirement to "wind your coils in the correct direction" is on one level a ridiculous statement.

Here is why:

Wind Coil A clockwise and wind Coil B clockwise to get bucking coils.

That is equal to:

Wind Coil A clockwise and wind Coil B clockwise.  Swap the two wires on Coil B.   Now you have bucking coils.

That is equal to:

Wind Coil A clockwise and wind Coil B clockwise.  Swap the two wires on Coil A.   Now you have bucking coils.

That is equal to:

Wind Coil A counter-clockwise and wind Coil B counter-clockwise.  Swap the two wires on Coil A.   Now you have bucking coils.

That is equal to:

Wind Coil A counter-clockwise and wind Coil B counter-clockwise.  Swap the two wires on Coil B.   Now you have bucking coils.


So, there is nothing explicitly wrong with giving instructions on which direction to wind coils.  What is wrong is not realizing that it is almost a moot point.

I have seen people post, "I wound my coil the wrong way!  Dammit!  Now I am going to have to unwind my coil and rewind it properly!"

If you have been playing with electronics and you never realized this then that is clearly telling you to stop getting your electronics knowledge from the forums.  Stop for two months and go to a book store and buy a few "Beginner's electronics" books and read them first.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 29, 2015, 03:40:26 AM
MH:

But what if I wound coil A in a clockwise manner for the first half, (say 500 turns) and then wound the rest of it counter-clockwise? (500 turns also)

What would I have then?

Oh, an empty spool....no coil...never mind.

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 03:50:25 AM
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But what if I wound coil A in a clockwise manner for the first half, (say 500 turns) and then wound the rest of it counter-clockwise? (500 turns also)

Then you are in Chris territory.  In theory you could get near total self-cancellation.  No self-inductance, no magnetic field generation, just a long length of wire on a single spool that acts like a glorified resistor.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 29, 2015, 03:50:58 AM
i know enough to stay out of the way when people are working...but then I am not here to disrupt their work like the paid shills and their unwitting witless lap dog arse kisser.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 29, 2015, 04:13:45 AM
Hi Synchro, I didn't get it.  Does that means that you magnetize the ferrite toroid beneath the coils?  If i good understand, both poles are actually sitting on the ferrite- so which pole you neutralize?  8)

@John.K1,

Here's two quotes from Marco. I believe the two standing toroid magnets are magnetized diametrically or from side to side because he says they're in repulsion. This would compare to a "Bucking Coil" configuration. The toroid magnet closest to the ferrite ring wraped with a single wire coil would attract either side of the toroid magnet when the coil is not charged. When that magnet starts rocking from the neutralizing pulse, it both attracts and repels it's twin.

He dosn't say how the large magnet for the base is magnetized. My guess would be axially, so one or the other pole's probably facing up.

"well actually in those speaker magnets, one side of the disk is north and one side is south. the magnets were placed same poles facing each other so that would be on one side n - n  and the other s - s. so they were repelling each other".

"The 2 Little magnets were pulled off two little Pc-Speakers. The one big magnet is pulled out of a 5"25 old floppy drive (the ones with the flexible big disks). The "kick coil" is a ferrite ring pulled out an old computer too and it is on the wires going to the reset and on/off switches between the motherboard and the frontpanel. It has got some turns of normal mag wire around it and it is a closed torroid, it was pulsed with a normal square wave coming from a function generator. So basicly alll parts are pulled out of one old computer i took apart because it was broken".
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 04:17:07 AM
i know enough to stay out of the way when people are working...but then I am not here to disrupt their work like the paid shills and their unwitting witless lap dog arse kisser.

Regards...

If you asked Conrad if he was being disrupted or being helped, what do you think he would say?

He already thanked myself and TK for the help so stop acting like a bovine moron with an immature potty-mouth and get yourself some self-respect.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 29, 2015, 04:22:39 AM
They do not call him Crap-Z-ro for nothing.

Bill


PS  MH:

My example was to wind a coil half-way in one direction...then Unwind it the other. (empty spool)  A bit of a joke...small bit I suppose.

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 29, 2015, 04:54:18 AM
If you asked Conrad if he was being disrupted or being helped, what do you think he would say?  He already thanked myself and TK for the help...
 

As did one or two others, before they realized what he was doing and recognized him for what he really was, and correctly began calling him names like asshole and troll...like many others are now doing.  I'll go with the majority on this one.   


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...so stop acting like a bovine moron with an immature potty-mouth and get yourself some self-respect.
 

And...he says that after having just finished posting a phallic symbol, telling me to sit on it ???  Just how stupid does he think people are anyway ?  We know how stupid he thinks his arse kisser is though.   



.......................................
The butt pirate drools again:  "They do not call him Crap-Z-ro for nothing.   Bill"   


By "they", the arse kisser means him and the arseholes he has his head up into...   




"PS  MH:  My example was to wind a coil half-way in one direction...then Unwind it the other. (empty spool)  A bit of a joke...small bit I suppose.   Bill"   



Guffaw, how Freudian is that...an 'empty spool' if there ever was one. 

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 05:03:41 AM
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And...he says that after having just finished posting a phallic symbol, telling me to sit on it

I guess that you don't score that high on the perv test, which doesn't reflect positively on your IQ at all.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 29, 2015, 05:06:58 AM
I hate to say this    ;)    but Synchro's last post is very interesting! The wound toroid will not have much leakage external magnetic field of its own, but _will_ undergo the "Core Effect" when it is pulsed. That is, its permeability will change due to the applied current from the drive source. This change in permeability will affect how strongly the magnets are attracted to the core _material_, not to the field produced by the coil windings (since in a toroidal winding most of the field is confined to the core and little leaks out.) The core effect is not dependent on either magnet polarity or current polarity in the windings. When the current (either polarity)  is _on_ , then the magnets, either polarity, should be _less_ attracted to the toroid, and when the current is _off_ , then the magnets should be more strongly attracted to the toroid core.

This is the principle of Steorn's Orbo pulse motor, and my various Orbette versions. I've done a lot of work with the Core Effect, and even though the change in magnetic attraction may seem small, it can produce strong accelerations in a pulse motor or an arrangement like Synchro has shown.

It would be nice if Synchro could test this to see if his setup is really using the Core Effect rather than electromagnetic attraction/repulsion. Square loop hysteresis core materials work best for the Core Effect, and indeed the core can be pre-biased with an external magnet so that only a small amount of actual current is needed to achieve the full range of attraction/nonattraction due to the permeability change of the core.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 29, 2015, 05:38:19 AM
Marco's toroids, Jerry Bayle's Chiral disks and balance magnets, and Sykes "Bucking Coils" share both pole opposition and magnet excitation in the Shumann frequency range. Coincidence? Perhaps, but nature shares an underlying fabric of laws as well.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 29, 2015, 07:55:31 AM
The Secret of DPDT:

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 29, 2015, 08:01:01 AM
Above coil set wound like the image below, with 180-180 and 40 turns (ran out of wire for the "green" primary... guess it's time to prowl the back alleys again for discarded monitors. When's the next new moon again?)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: tagor on January 29, 2015, 09:15:55 AM
 

And...he says that after having just finished posting a phallic symbol, telling me to sit on it ???  Just how stupid does he think people are anyway ?  We know how stupid he thinks his arse kisser is though.   

.

it is not a phallic symbol
it is a christmas tree
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 29, 2015, 10:21:59 AM
Now... here is something to think about. What happens if you have some energy stored in the magnetic field of a large inductance... and then you suddenly reduce that inductance to less than 1/10 its former value? Where does the energy go?

What if you do this over and over with some electronic switching magic?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 29, 2015, 11:45:31 AM
Ok , set-up No2 -Large ferite core ,2 magnets (from the Magnetron), pulsing coil same as yesterday. Technically if I good understand, the principle is in the change of saturation of the ferite?
Yes, I got some wild vibrations, but the range was between 7-9Hz and even more.  It was vibrating let's say for 15-20 s and then it got still for next 10s and slowly started again. I do believe the final effect mainly relay on the size of the core, material( it permeability) ,strength and the distance between the magnets (determining some mechanical resistance)  It was my last attempt and I am not gonna bother you anymore with this ;)

I want to ask you experienced guys for your opinion. On the next picture is my bench power-supply. I am not sure if is still in healthy condition after so many "things" happened  during the experimentation with HV devices ( namely Ruslans coils etc.).  When I use one channel ,under some conditions (like frequency in the circuit or the voltage increase)  it influence me the second channel. The output on the second channel just is all over the place and switching and so on. I do not remember this doing before. Could be something fried inside? I understand some EMF is going in to it. But shouldn't it be a bit resistant to these sort of things? Generally,I use one diode and ferite choke on the positive lead to give it some sort of protection. Any test suggestion to make sure it works fine?  Thanks.


Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 29, 2015, 11:48:04 AM
it is not a phallic symbol
it is a christmas tree

Yee, I think I heard about it. They didn't want to insult local Islam community by christian symbol. This looks like a toy from the adult shop :)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 29, 2015, 12:05:09 PM
Now... here is something to think about. What happens if you have some energy stored in the magnetic field of a large inductance... and then you suddenly reduce that inductance to less than 1/10 its former value? Where does the energy go?

What if you do this over and over with some electronic switching magic?

Vladimir Utkin has some description and tests done with "Switchable inductance" (around page 44...)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: tagor on January 29, 2015, 12:35:52 PM
Yee, I think I heard about it. They didn't want to insult local Islam community by christian symbol. This looks like a toy from the adult shop :)
LOL
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 02:30:47 PM
If a tree falls on Uranus, does the New Horizons space probe hear anything?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: NoBull on January 29, 2015, 02:35:33 PM
Now... here is something to think about. What happens if you have some energy stored in the magnetic field of a large inductance... and then you suddenly reduce that inductance to less than 1/10 its former value? Where does the energy go?
If the reduction of inductance happens because a soft magnetic core inside that inductor was removed far away, then the energy will go into randomizing domains of the core and the mechanical work of removing the core to that distance away.

What if you do this over and over with some electronic switching magic?
If a switch is used to switch the coils from a series aiding to series opposing connection, then the energy will get dissipated in the switch because coils fight any discontinuity of current and the switch is attempting to reverse the direction of this current very suddenly, while leaving the flux in the same direction.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 03:24:00 PM
Now... here is something to think about. What happens if you have some energy stored in the magnetic field of a large inductance... and then you suddenly reduce that inductance to less than 1/10 its former value? Where does the energy go?

What if you do this over and over with some electronic switching magic?

The current will instantly jump up in amps.  The classic example I use is the spinning figure skater.  However perhaps a lot of people have trouble with the good old electrical-physical analogies.  Of course we saw the effect with the shameless queasy Qweegie.

But a nice little experiment cold be done with a big coil with a bypass switch that simply shorts out half the turns in the coil.  It would be somewhat tricky to set up but to ignore all the details and cut to the chase something like this:

You have a coil discharging one amp through a one-ohm resistor.  You close the switch and the current instantly jumps up to four amps.  So your DSO simply triggers (one-shot scope capture) on when the voltage across the resistor hits three volts, rising edge.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 29, 2015, 03:50:16 PM
it is not a phallic symbol
it is a christmas tree

Who's kidding who here ?

Another arse kisser arrives with a bag of semantics.


Regards...
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 04:09:26 PM
TK:

I have to add to my example because I realize that there was a mistake.  You would need a fancier "make before break" switch.  When the switch first engages you short out 1/2 of the coil and effectively bypass it in the circuit, the "make."   Then a few tens of milliseconds later you have to open-circuit the now-bypassed second half of the coil, the "break."

Certainly when the break happens there is going to be some arcing across the switch contacts.  So I am going to assume that the current in the main loop of the circuit will increase, but it won't jump from one amp to four amps.  It will jump up, but by how much I am not sure.  It all depends on how much arcing there is when you have the "break."

Now if I had a bench setup I might be curios enough to set it up and follow the energy trail.

Even for the spinning figure skater it is not that simple and it ties into NoBull's comments about the requirement to expend energy to change the properties/shape of the coil.  When the spinning figure skater pulls her arms in to speed up her rotation, it takes work to do that.  So does that mean that she speeds up to an even higher speed as compared to if he arms "magically" instantly changed position?  I say yes because of COE.  She uses some of her own chemical energy to pull her arms in, resulting in increased rotational speed.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: NoBull on January 29, 2015, 04:18:28 PM
But a nice little experiment cold be done with a big coil with a bypass switch that simply shorts out half the turns in the coil.  It would be somewhat tricky to set up but to ignore all the details and cut to the chase something like this:

You have a coil discharging one amp through a one-ohm resistor.  You close the switch and the current instantly jumps up to four amps.
...and why would you write this?
Doesn't the shorted half maintain flux so the other half does not have to?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 04:24:29 PM
...and why would you write this?
Doesn't the shorted half maintain flux so the other half does not have to?

Exactly.  I realized I made a mistake.  That's why I made posting #528.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: verpies on January 29, 2015, 05:06:41 PM
@MileHigh, TK and others with EE experience...

Take a look at the simple inductive Charge & Hold circuit below:
Initially, the switch S1 charges the inductor L1 up to certain current iMAX and after that current reached,  S2 closes and S1 opens. 
After a long time, the S2 opens and discharges the remaining magnetic energy of L1 into C1.

QUESTION: How to practically substitute these switches with N-channel MOSFETs and synchronously drive them from a common point and deal with body diodes without significantly affecting the conductivity of the switched paths?

Of course, switches S1 and S2 are never both fully on at the same time, because that would short the power supply.
The body diode of the MOSFET acting in lieu of S2 would prevent the discharge of the remaining magnetic energy into C1.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Groundloop on January 29, 2015, 05:30:32 PM
Hi,

I did start to work on a practical way of switching inductance last year.
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2407.0

GL.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 29, 2015, 06:00:53 PM
On the next picture is my bench power-supply. I am not sure if is still in healthy condition after so many "things" happened  during the experimentation with HV devices ( namely Ruslans coils etc.).  When I use one channel ,under some conditions (like frequency in the circuit or the voltage increase)  it influence me the second channel. The output on the second channel just is all over the place and switching and so on. I do not remember this doing before. Could be something fried inside? I understand some EMF is going in to it. But shouldn't it be a bit resistant to these sort of things? Generally,I use one diode and ferite choke on the positive lead to give it some sort of protection. Any test suggestion to make sure it works fine?  Thanks.

Hi John.K1. If you use a bench power supply to power high frequency switching circuits, such as
powering a FET/transistor driver to pulse a coil, you can get a lot of transients feeding back into the
power supply and it can damage the power supply. To test your power supply, you could hook up some
lower resistance value power resistors to each channel of the power supply and test to make sure that under a
fairly heavy current load that both the voltage regulation and current limiting of your power supply (if it has adjustable
current limiting) are working correctly or not.

In my own testing with pulsing coils on ferrite cores, it can really make the regulation circuitry in the power supply
act up, and can potentially blow components in the power supply as well if the generated transients are large. Also this acting
up of the regulation circuitry of the power supply can cause strange things to happen in your circuit due to the improperly
regulated voltage and possibly the current limiting kicking in and out. You either have to use external large value chokes on a
power supply line or both lines as well and possibly extra filtering caps, or better yet, use a battery as your supply voltage.
The battery will give you much more stable results overall, unless you are using some really good extra power supply filtering.

All the best...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 29, 2015, 06:07:25 PM
Thanks Void.   ;)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 29, 2015, 06:39:15 PM
Re the switching inductors: Now we are thinking congruently. It's a poor man's Flux Compression Generator I think, and Verpies seems to be getting the idea of how to use some of the resulting pulse. So I'm also wondering if there's a way to use semiconductors for the switches in his circuit posted up above.

The basic military EMP-bomb uses explosively-pumped FCGs to generate a high-current pulse (one time!) that feeds a virtual cathode oscillator (vircator) to emit a strong pulse of RF/microwave energy that can couple into unprotected electronics in the target, destroying the electronics with overcurrent. Much of the energy in the explosive FCG-Vircator design comes from the explosion, which forces a shunt to progressively short out a coil that is precharged with magnetic flux. As the shorting shunt is forced up the coil by the shaped explosive charge, work is done against the field, compressing it, which winds up as the high current pulse to the vircator/antenna system.


@John.K1:
Yep, I have had the same troubles with my Topward PSU which is very similar to yours. I did blow some of the internal parts at one point so that neither side worked right, but was able to fix it finally once I located a schematic for it.  If you have a schematic, you will find some op-amps and some voltage references (zeners or programmable VRs that look like small transistors) that may be not working right. I wound up replacing 3 op-amps and 3 of the voltage references to get mine back to full operation.  Cost about 5 dollars in parts, but hours of work and troubleshooting. Finding the schematic was the hardest part, I finally had to send a friend to physically visit a Topward repair depot in California and have him chat up the secretary, who then snuck over to the file cabinet and made him a copy from the "top secret" service manual.
 ;)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 29, 2015, 06:47:47 PM
Thanks TK. It looks it is easier to stay a bit overtime at work and to buy a new one- hassle free. :)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: PIH123 on January 29, 2015, 07:17:39 PM
Cap-z-ro

The subject line of this thread is "Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy"

You may not have noticed, but the last half dozen or so pages in this thread have been quite refreshing.
They contain discussions of theory, testing and measurments regarding - wait for it - "Partnered Output Coils"
Mostly by the people you are calling trolls.



Your last four contributions contain the following excerpts :

Reply #503

.. ass ..
.. ass ..
.. ass ..
.. ass ..


Reply #508

.. arse ..

Reply #512

.. asshole ..
.. arse ..
.. butt ..
.. arse ..
.. arseholes ..


Reply #527

.. arse ..



Could you please tone back the obsession with the human posterior.

I would like my son to read this forum to understand one of my areas of interest.
Unfortunately at the moment it is littered with the examples of your strange addiction above.

He is too young to understand sexual preferences such as yours.

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 07:21:34 PM
Well I am going to play Bad Cop here because my Spidey Senses are tingling and my BS meter is twitching.  We have a new Great Divide between here and OUR.  This has happened many times in the past, it's nothing new.  People on both threads "peek" across the divide all the time.

The issue is Smudge, a.k.a. Cyril Smith.  He wrote a paper called "Bucking Coils Produce Energy Gain."  I did a brief search and found him discussing some stuff about Bearden on the JLN Labs web site in 2000.

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However for series-opposing the same analysis produces an effective negative resistance, indicating an energy gain.  This supports EMJ's finding that bucking coils have a unique characteristic, and hopefully my paper will help others in the search for OU.  It also applies to single layer bifilar bucking coils where adjacent turns carry current in opposite directions.  Wound on a core with significant magnetic viscosity these will exhibit energy gain.

It all sounds pretty impressive.... It looks like he can talk the talk and walk the walk.

The problem is that there is no way in hell that bucking coils can produce an energy gain.  He reminds me a little bit of "vgray35@hotmailc.com" on the Be-Do forum in the thread "What happens when overunity is achieved?"  It is the most active thread by far on the forum, 437 posts.  But after all that talk over unity has not been achieved and the QEG remains as dead as a doornail.

I have no intention of even trying to do a technical rebut of what Smudge has to say.  I would not be surprised if he bails after more and more test results show nothing, including tests done at the "optimum separation" between the bucking coils.

So even though Chris may be happy that he has what appears to be a "guru" making statements that support Chris' proposition, it's all just a mirage and some kind of fake "pseudo-science that sounds convincingly like science" shtick that Smudge is doing.

I hate to be the Bad Cop but I hate it even more to pretend that an intellectual discussion is going on that backs up Chris' proposition.  A transformer is an under unity device.  A bucking-coils transformer is nothing more than a crippled version of a transformer.  That's all that you really have to know.

People will continue testing and nobody is going to see anything special.  What they see with their scopes and meters is the device under test doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing, nothing more, nothing less.  You can crank out reams of text to fill five phone books and it's not going to make any difference in the world.  The wires in the transformer are lossy, the core is lossy, the coupling is imperfect, and the bucking does nothing more than reduce the inductance of the secondary.  If an ordinary transformer is about as exciting as watching paint dry, a bucking transformer is also about as exciting as watching paint dry.  I don't care how dedicated and how much work Chris did experimenting, the truth is more important than any of that.

So, sorry to be a Bad Cop.  The important thing is that I am not being a Bad Cop as some sort of psychological ploy.  I am being a "Bad Cop" in the sense that somebody needs to speak rationally and talk about reality.  Eventually the tulip bubble burst and reality prevailed.  In electronics reality always prevails.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: a.king21 on January 29, 2015, 07:31:46 PM
Now... here is something to think about. What happens if you have some energy stored in the magnetic field of a large inductance... and then you suddenly reduce that inductance to less than 1/10 its former value? Where does the energy go?

What if you do this over and over with some electronic switching magic?
You get the Kunel patent.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 29, 2015, 07:36:22 PM
Cap-z-ro

The subject line of this thread is "Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy"

You may not have noticed, but the last half dozen or so pages in this thread have been quite refreshing.
They contain discussions of theory, testing and measurments regarding - wait for it - "Partnered Output Coils"
Mostly by the people you are calling trolls.



Your last four contributions contain the following excerpts :

Reply #503

.. ass ..
.. ass ..
.. ass ..
.. ass ..


Reply #508

.. arse ..

Reply #512

.. asshole ..
.. arse ..
.. butt ..
.. arse ..
.. arseholes ..


Reply #527

.. arse ..



Could you please tone back the obsession with the human posterior.

I would like my son to read this forum to understand one of my areas of interest.
Unfortunately at the moment it is littered with the examples of your strange addiction above.

He is too young to understand sexual preferences such as yours.

So, another apparent "newbie" enters the scene to stir the pot again (another MH moniker suspected)...troll alert goes off.

There's just no end to it.

I'll tell you one thing, if I was in control there wouldn't be a single shill, troll, nitpicker, naysayer, or arse kisser seen on any thread on this forum...I would wipe their every post from the board.

And they would be far too busy re-registering under fake names to keep up with me banning them, to cause any disruptions or distractions.

Then...there would be unfettered fruitful dialogue on here.
 
Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 29, 2015, 07:46:39 PM
The problem is that you are disruptor and the distractor on this thread and pretty much on this web site.  And your totalitarian fantasies are almost as distasteful as your metaphors.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: PIH123 on January 29, 2015, 07:47:47 PM
So, another apparent "newbie" enters the scene to stir the pot again (another MH moniker suspected)...troll alert goes off.

Is number of posts relevant somehow to a sincere question or request ?
Please review my posting history.


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... arse ...

Again ?   Come on man, have some respect for yourself.


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Then...there would be unfettered fruitful dialogue on here.

I think I covered that at the beginning of my post referring to the fruitful dialog (yours excepted) going on recently regarding replications, testing, measurements etc.


You seem to have it ASS backwards (pun intended)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 29, 2015, 08:09:32 PM
Cap-z-ro

The subject line of this thread is "Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy"

You may not have noticed, but the last half dozen or so pages in this thread have been quite refreshing.
They contain discussions of theory, testing and measurments regarding - wait for it - "Partnered Output Coils"
Mostly by the people you are calling trolls.



Your last four contributions contain the following excerpts :

Reply #503

(deleted)

Reply #508

(deleted)

Reply #512

(deleted)

Reply #527

(deleted)



Could you please tone back the obsession with the human posterior.

I would like my son to read this forum to understand one of my areas of interest.
Unfortunately at the moment it is littered with the examples of your strange addiction above.

He is too young to understand sexual preferences such as yours.

You can safely ignore Captain Nothing, he has never, to my recollection, posted anything useful at all, and as you note his posts are full of pottymouth insults that would sound immature coming from an 8th grader.

At top left, select "Profile" then > Account Settings > Modify Profile > Buddies/Ignore List > Edit Ignore List > Add to Ignore List, then type in his alias. Voila... you will never have to be bothered by him again except when he is quoted by someone else.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 29, 2015, 08:12:10 PM
You get the Kunel patent.

Link please? I must have missed that one.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 29, 2015, 08:16:28 PM
Is number of posts relevant somehow to a sincere question or request ?
Please review my posting history.

Timing is everything as we all know, so why bother to review the history of a doosh post ?


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Again ?   Come on man, have some respect for yourself.

Again...the disruptors were asked politely to leave on numerous occasions by the thread originator, me and others...yet they persisted until they drove him off...like they have done with EVERY other new concept presenter.

Respect...he can stick his respect up his arse...who ever he may be (MH).

My posting history however, my demeanor changed after getting tired of the paid shills badgering people off the forum.

So, he can also stick the thread history red herring up his arse also.

Did I not clearly state that things were going to get a little rougher around here after they drove Chris off ?

At least somebody around here can keep their word.


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I think I covered that at the beginning of my post referring to the fruitful dialog (yours excepted) going on recently regarding replications, testing, measurements etc.

And "fruitful dialog" left when they harassed Chris out of here.


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You seem to have it ASS backwards (pun intended)

And I suppose his imaginary son would rather see good ol' dad using the word 'ass' than me huh ?

Hypocrisy that we frequently see the troll engage in...if it looks like a troll, walks like a troll, and squaks like a troll, what am I to conclude ?

Regards...

 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 29, 2015, 08:31:37 PM
Well I am going to play Bad Cop here because my Spidey Senses are tingling and my BS meter is twitching.  We have a new Great Divide between here and OUR.  This has happened many times in the past, it's nothing new.  People on both threads "peek" across the divide all the time.

The issue is Smudge, a.k.a. Cyril Smith.  He wrote a paper called "Bucking Coils Produce Energy Gain."  I did a brief search and found him discussing some stuff about Bearden on the JLN Labs web site in 2000.

It all sounds pretty impressive.... It looks like he can talk the talk and walk the walk.

The problem is that there is no way in hell that bucking coils can produce an energy gain.  He reminds me a little bit of "vgray35@hotmailc.com" on the Be-Do forum in the thread "What happens when overunity is achieved?"  It is the most active thread by far on the forum, 437 posts.  But after all that talk over unity has not been achieved and the QEG remains as dead as a doornail.

I have no intention of even trying to do a technical rebut of what Smudge has to say.  I would not be surprised if he bails after more and more test results show nothing, including tests done at the "optimum separation" between the bucking coils.

So even though Chris may be happy that he has what appears to be a "guru" making statements that support Chris' proposition, it's all just a mirage and some kind of fake "pseudo-science that sounds convincingly like science" shtick that Smudge is doing.

I hate to be the Bad Cop but I hate it even more to pretend that an intellectual discussion is going on that backs up Chris' proposition.  A transformer is an under unity device.  A bucking-coils transformer is nothing more than a crippled version of a transformer.  That's all that you really have to know.

People will continue testing and nobody is going to see anything special.  What they see with their scopes and meters is the device under test doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing, nothing more, nothing less.  You can crank out reams of text to fill five phone books and it's not going to make any difference in the world.  The wires in the transformer are lossy, the core is lossy, the coupling is imperfect, and the bucking does nothing more than reduce the inductance of the secondary.  If an ordinary transformer is about as exciting as watching paint dry, a bucking transformer is also about as exciting as watching paint dry.  I don't care how dedicated and how much work Chris did experimenting, the truth is more important than any of that.

So, sorry to be a Bad Cop.  The important thing is that I am not being a Bad Cop as some sort of psychological ploy.  I am being a "Bad Cop" in the sense that somebody needs to speak rationally and talk about reality.  Eventually the tulip bubble burst and reality prevailed.  In electronics reality always prevails.

MileHigh

You are exactly right. I spent some time last night reading the entire thread at OUR. Note that in several places EMJ tells people to try different _contradictory_ things, even to the point of telling Itsu to try different configurations to boost his output, completely negating the "partnered coils oppositely wound" premise.

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2760.msg44820#msg44820
http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2760.msg44928#msg44928

And of course there is still _zero_ evidence from EMJ of any OU measurements from anything he has constructed or tested.

People are working with his ideas because _he claimed OU_. Yet he has presented _zero_ evidence, not even "wrong" measurements that show OU. So what is up with that?

The coils behave exactly like any inductors behave, until someone shows otherwise... which nobody has done, most especially EMJ.


Pardon me, I've got to go feed my herd of invisible pink flying unicorns. Then I'm off to prowl some back alleys for discarded monitors and CRT TVs.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: PIH123 on January 29, 2015, 08:59:57 PM

Again...the disruptors were asked politely to leave on numerous occasions by the thread originator, me and others...yet they persisted


But sadly, for anyone that seeks suppression, it is a public forum.
Ironically, complaining about suppression of this technology is one of your big beefs isn't it ?

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Did I not clearly state that things were going to get a little rougher around here after they drove Chris off ?


Chris drove himself off after being caught in one deception after another.
I raised a fairly big one about the scope coupling.
His responses proved his lack of skill.

(wouldn't the easiest thing for him to do after that, have been to reproduce his same COP 1.7 results with the scope in dc coupled mode.
All it would have taken was the press of one switch, a reshoot o the same video, and all of the skeptics of this claim, would have looked like fools)

But instead, he ran off three day later. (and no, I am not claiming it was because of my question, there were MANY more unanswered questions than that).

It was apparent to anyone who could read or follow links, that he knew little of what he was talking about (tragically after 16 years on his part, but I won't get into that).
And it was also apparent that once replication test results started rolling in, he would be shown up for this deception.
He took the best exit strategy he could find.
. leave before full embarrassment
. pretend it was due to harassment
. seek a weaker minded crowd to bamboozle next
. take some of the cheerleaders along

   

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 And "fruitful dialog" left when they harassed Chris out of here.


Sorry, I hate to be the grammar police, but the word you are looking for is "began".
The reason being that the when the cheer-leading coach leaves the field, the pom-pom carriers stand around idly, thus allowing the real action to commence

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And I suppose his imaginary son would rather see good ol' dad using the word 'ass' than me huh ?

Mine was clearly stated as a pun related to a common phrase meaning things being in reverse.
Yours are mostly about anal intercourse

And this thread is already way too gone (by you), for him to view. Despite the recent turnaround brought on by the mature testing discussions.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 29, 2015, 09:12:40 PM
Ok , set-up No2 -Large ferite core ,2 magnets (from the Magnetron), pulsing coil same as yesterday. Technically if I good understand, the principle is in the change of saturation of the ferite?
Yes, I got some wild vibrations, but the range was between 7-9Hz and even more.  It was vibrating let's say for 15-20 s and then it got still for next 10s and slowly started again. I do believe the final effect mainly relay on the size of the core, material( it permeability) ,strength and the distance between the magnets (determining some mechanical resistance)  It was my last attempt and I am not gonna bother you anymore with this ;)

I want to ask you experienced guys for your opinion. On the next picture is my bench power-supply. I am not sure if is still in healthy condition after so many "things" happened  during the experimentation with HV devices ( namely Ruslans coils etc.).  When I use one channel ,under some conditions (like frequency in the circuit or the voltage increase)  it influence me the second channel. The output on the second channel just is all over the place and switching and so on. I do not remember this doing before. Could be something fried inside? I understand some EMF is going in to it. But shouldn't it be a bit resistant to these sort of things? Generally,I use one diode and ferite choke on the positive lead to give it some sort of protection. Any test suggestion to make sure it works fine?  Thanks.

@John.K1,

Your replication looks great, and "Wild Vibrations" between (7 & 9) Hertz are squarly inside the Shumann frequency range. Anyway you can upload a video of this?

Someone asked for a link to the Heinrich Kunel patent. This video supplies a good explanation by a replicator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNDQMMM7gJ4
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: a.king21 on January 29, 2015, 09:13:40 PM
Link please? I must have missed that one.
http://www.free-energy-info.co.uk/Chapter3.pdf
page 79
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 29, 2015, 09:53:34 PM
@John.K1,

Your replication looks great, and "Wild Vibrations" between (7 & 9) Hertz is squarly inside the Shumann frequency range. Anyway you can upload a video of this?

Someone asked for a link to the Heinrich Kunel patent. This video supplies a good explanation by a replicator:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNDQMMM7gJ4

Hi Synchro.  I am not much movie making person, actually I have never made one for YouTube :)

I was thinking about that Kunel Patent I know it from somewhere and then I realized I have made some attempt of replication (on the picture below) around an year ago when I was just starting with all this electronic - free energy mambo jumbo :)  Unfortunately It didn't work for me and the device finished in the cabinet of oblivion.  Today, with more experience I might give it a bit more time and make some things a bit different.    I remember I downloaded some papers here time ago - lenzless transformer. I didn't try to play with that yet. Is here anybody who did?  Just thinking about the coincidence of using capacitors in these designs.  Clearly thinking- Tank circuit makes current to sine alternate. With the intensity of the current flow more or less of magnetism= more or less of saturation of coil=more or less of inductance. Right? What I saw in Akula's movie ( I am sorry to you guys who got a rush from hearing his name :)  )  - He is using two LC tanks which change the inductance in time domain.  Anyway, back to bench.

Edit: I just watched that your link video- part two and I have to lough  -- he said he blown his transformer - The exactly same happened to me. Now I remember. It was the reason why I didn't continue with that as I didn't have other small voltage alternating source that time :)

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: verpies on January 29, 2015, 10:05:33 PM
I have no intention of even trying to do a technical rebut of what Smudge has to say. 
Why not?  Do you think that he is correct about the negative resistance in presence of a magnetic propagation delay ?
In any case you can expect Smudge to be a good opponent in a decent logical debate ...without the usual AdHominem remarks that are so prevalent here.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 29, 2015, 11:22:10 PM
My main argument...the only valid one by the way...is that anything presented will succeed or fail on its own merit.

Without all the noise makers and harassers.

Who, are preventing people from conducting unfettered experiments with their disruptions.

So what if it turns out to be a bust...but, the possibility exists that an important discovery could possibly happen along the way.

But not with all the distractions created by the usual suspects...who are paid to make sure that doesn't happen.

Their pat excuse for harassing these presenters was always, "to prevent these fraudsters from fleecing unwitting replicators of their hard earned money."

However, Chris asked for nothing...nothing...nothing...so what is their excuse for harassing him, after being asked to leave countless times ?

The obvious answer is...there is no excuse for their conduct.

The only alternatives are that they are bullies or paid shills.


The reason why I have morphed into what you see now is because I am a survivor of abuse, and because of it I have become a rather tough individual when the situation calls for it.

And, as a result, I have little tolerance for abusive conduct...and I could watch this abuse for only so long.

We all have heard it in school that those who stand by while someone is being abused are as guilty as the abuser.

Don't fool yourself into thinking i enjoy this role, because I do not.

But, at the same time, I have to balance this negative task by entertaining myself as best i can.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: hanon on January 29, 2015, 11:49:57 PM
Maybe you could find this link interesting

http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg434841/#msg434841 (http://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg434841/#msg434841)

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 12:35:32 AM
Why not?  Do you think that he is correct about the negative resistance in presence of a magnetic propagation delay ?
In any case you can expect Smudge to be a good opponent in a decent logical debate ...without the usual AdHominem remarks that are so prevalent here.

It's because I don't have the fire in my belly to take it that far.  I don't have theory on the tip of my tongue like you do and it would be a lot of work for me to research.  I can't comment on the negative resistance business.  However, we both know in the case of a tunnel diode, the property of differential negative resistance is "abused" in the realm of free energy and made into something that it's not.  I don't know if there is a parallel there or not.

I hope that you understand, I am relying more on the results from the replicators and just boring old transformer theory, where both of us probably sat in class and followed through all of the derivations.  That boring old theory is rock solid.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: PIH123 on January 30, 2015, 12:48:58 AM
Thanks for the toned down post !!!! Really !!!!

My main argument...the only valid one by the way...is that anything presented will succeed or fail on its own merit.

Agreed

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Without all the noise makers and harassers.
Who, are preventing people from conducting unfettered experiments with their disruptions.

Depends what you mean by noise makers.

Is TK a noise maker ? Yes he has many doubts and asks lots of questions, and puts forth MANY reasons for scams/misrepresentations etc.
But doesn't he also do hundreds of replications. Some where there may be something to see, but mostly to disprove something.

Do you think MarkE does not know his stuff ? Can you dispute a single thing that he points to as evidence of deception.
And if yes, what would that make it ? 0.001% where he is wrong?

And I know you hate MileHigh. But look at the hundreds of posts where he is offering advice (even to something he knows will fail).
OK, admittedly again out of thousands, but he spends bmost of his time defending.
Sadly, that takes away from the time he could be contributing.

I do not even want to go with your thing with PirateBill. It is just not my thing.

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So what if it turns out to be a bust...but, the possibility exists that an important discovery could possibly happen along the way.


Great, so we can find out if something is real or not then with evidence.
But how do we get that evidence ?
Is it polite to ask questions. Or do we wait (16 years in EMJunkies case) for him to provide some.
If we ask a question, and he just skirts around it (or more typically answers with a claim of harassment), do we continue to wait another 16 years, or expose the scam that has become apparent by the multitude of evidence presented ?
If the evidence against is 90% and the evidence for is 10%, do we just not say anything just in case ?
Do replications ? See last 10 pages.


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But not with all the distractions created by the usual suspects...who are paid to make sure that doesn't happen.


Not going to go there, with that worn out paid shills mantra.


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Their pat excuse for harassing these presenters was always, "to prevent these fraudsters from fleecing unwitting replicators of their hard earned money."

However, Chris asked for nothing...nothing...nothing...so what is their excuse for harassing him, after being asked to leave countless times ?

The obvious answer is...there is no excuse for their conduct.

The alternative answer, that may not have crossed your mind is :

a. they have additional questions about the evidence (usually sparse or lacking) presented
b: they see something incorrect, have proof of it and want to correct it.
c. are also here for entertainment (like me for the most part) and have become part of a community. (that is huge in today's electronic world)
d. who are we kidding, half of these guys have gofundme campaigns or paypal buttons. It's the pat excuse one


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The only alternatives are that they are bullies or paid shills.

Not going there

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The reason why I have morphed into what you see now is because I am a survivor of abuse, and because of it I have become a rather tough individual when the situation calls for it.

And, as a result, I have little tolerance for abusive conduct...and I could watch this abuse for only so long.

We all have heard it in school that those who stand by while someone is being abused are as guilty as the abuser.

Don't fool yourself into thinking i enjoy this role, because I do not.

But, at the same time, I have to balance this negative task by entertaining myself as best i can.

At least if it is entertaining to you, then that is not such a bad thing.
Chris may have been embarrassed by this, but most of us, not so much.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 12:51:18 AM
Captain Zero:

Yes Chris is not operating a con, but he is also proposing something that defies science and engineering and common sense.  That's worth a normal healthy debate right there.  Yes sometimes things can get a bit crazy, that's life.  Chris' proposition is tantamount to somebody running around and saying, "The sky is not blue, it's yellow."  Then I stick my head out the window and the sky is blue just like it always has been.

I am sorry that you were abused, but that doesn't give you the right to come on here and be an abuser yourself.  I know that is a pattern that does happen and if that is why you are doing it then you have to break the cycle.

I don't know why you can't understand how insignificant this thread is, and how insignificant this forum is, such that nobody would spend a single dime to pay someone to post here.  I am not here to try to fix your skewed view of the world.  I am just here to have some fun and debate things that interest me and to challenge criminal activity when I believe that I see it.

You need to chill out and find an equilibrium.  I have been abused and harassed by several people around here.  And I don't define "abuse" as someone debating technical issues with me.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 01:19:12 AM
Okay, I am going to reference a posting on OUR because it's worth mentioning:

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2760.msg44999#msg44999 (http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2760.msg44999#msg44999)

Itsu asked Chris:

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EMjunkie, please help me out here, in a normal partner coil (bucking coil) configuration, with perfect coils,
the voltage across a load resistor will normally be zero (0),   right?

Chris responds:

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For AC Output with a Resistive Load, Output should be V*I and Phase Angle should be = 0. It should be pure power.

Anybody that has been following this thread knows that I have already covered this.  If the bucking coils are perfectly matched, the voltage across them will be zero.  The the attached scope capture shows where they are not a perfect match, but very close.  If one coil is at +5.0 volts, and the other coil is at +5.1 volts, then the voltage across the two coils is 0.1 volts.

You notice that Chris is "zoning out" and not even responding to the question.  People on OUR are probably going to let it slide.  But the problem is that in the real world you can't let things like this slide.  The closer the bucking coils are to a perfect match, the less the voltage differential you will get between them, which in theory forces you to go to a lower and lower value of load resistor to actually output any power.  But then you have a problem.  As you load resistor gets lower and lower in value, it starts to get lower than the total resistance in the wire of the bucking coils themselves.  So you end up dissipating more power in the coils themselves than the load resistor.

So we definitely have a problem, and it's a problem on more than one level.  When you have a person making a proposition starting to dance around issues and floating like a butterfly it's not a good sign.  In fact you see the pros do this also.

In a similar vein, Itsu being such a nice guy, he rewound one of the coils so that it was wound "counter-clockwise" instead of the original "clockwise."  Then he had to swap the connections on the rewound coil to create the bucking configuration.  Again, if you have been following this thread, I made a posting about this issue just the other day.  What I said in the posting is that doing this is a meaningless exercise.

This kind of thing just confirms for me what I already knew from the beginning.  If some of you are still unsure, this is more information for you to consider.

Common sense rules and will win out at the end of the day.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 30, 2015, 01:19:36 AM
Captain Zero:

Yes Chris is not operating a con, but he is also proposing something that defies science and engineering and common sense.  That's worth a normal healthy debate right there.  Yes sometimes things can get a bit crazy, that's life.  Chris' proposition is tantamount to somebody running around and saying, "The sky is not blue, it's yellow."  Then I stick my head out the window and the sky is blue just like it always has been.

I am sorry that you were abused, but that doesn't give you the right to come on here and be an abuser yourself.  I know that is a pattern that does happen and if that is why you are doing it then you have to break the cycle.

I don't know why you can't understand how insignificant this thread is, and how insignificant this forum is, such that nobody would spend a single dime to pay someone to post here.  I am not here to try to fix your skewed view of the world.  I am just here to have some fun and debate things that interest me and to challenge criminal activity when I believe that I see it.

You need to chill out and find an equilibrium.  I have been abused and harassed by several people around here.  And I don't define "abuse" as someone debating technical issues with me.

MileHigh

@MileHigh,

You're betraying yourself as condescending and obnoxious to everyone on the forum and it's entire membership trivializing us as insignificant. You're that perversely sadistic to practically everyone. You act as though no one can compare to you. All your comments are over padded with conceited drivel. That's why everyone hates your guts.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 01:25:19 AM
@MileHigh,

You're betraying yourself as condescending and obnoxious to everyone on the forum and it's entire membership trivializing us as insignificant. You're that perversely sadistic to practically everyone. You act as though no one can compare to you. All your comments are padded with concieted drivel. That's why everyone hates your guts.

You are an abuser and like usual your posting is nonsense.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 30, 2015, 01:29:12 AM
You are an abuser and like usual your posting is nonsense.

@MileHigh,

You're a nut case from hell!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 01:33:27 AM
http://overunity.com/15309/reboot-is-the-delayed-lenz-effect-real-or-just-a-misunderstanding/msg428891/#msg428891 (http://overunity.com/15309/reboot-is-the-delayed-lenz-effect-real-or-just-a-misunderstanding/msg428891/#msg428891)


http://overunity.com/15410/veiled-threat-received/msg433432/#msg433432 (http://overunity.com/15410/veiled-threat-received/msg433432/#msg433432)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: PIH123 on January 30, 2015, 01:35:26 AM
You are an abuser and like usual your posting is nonsense.

Sorry, but as an average human being, I can converse with cap-z-ro, but not synchro.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 01:39:57 AM
Sorry, but as an average human being, I can converse with cap-z-ro, but not synchro.

Take a look at the attachment.  That's how bad Synchro1 can be.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: PIH123 on January 30, 2015, 01:42:42 AM
Take a look at the attachment.  That's how bad Synchro1 can be.

I know, I was a lurker for about 3 years.

I came here looking for (google) ways to create my own PCBs. Thanks you know who
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 30, 2015, 01:43:13 AM
The only one who's demeanor on this board has changed is mine...for the reasons stated.

A simple review of my posting history is witness to that.

The other's have remained consistent in their denials of culpability for their behavior...and will continue to do so...that will never change.

A reasonable human being in a public forum will just scroll by the bullsh!t without confronting harassing or baiting and badgering someone.

Unless of course, they are getting some enjoyment or financial benefit from it.

More rationalization for abhorrent behavior will again follow this post...and it will be groundhog day all over again.

Regards...



Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 01:49:29 AM
The only one who's demeanor on this board has changed is mine...for the reasons stated.

A simple review of my posting history is witness to that.

The other's have remained consistent in their denials of culpability for their behavior...and will continue to do so...that will never change.

A reasonable human being in a public forum will just scroll by the bullsh!t without confronting harassing or baiting and badgering someone.

Unless of course, they are getting some enjoyment or financial benefit from it.

More rationalization for abhorrent behavior will again follow this post...and it will be groundhog day all over again.

Regards...

You want to show some real character?   Then live up to the line below that was posted by you today.

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We all have heard it in school that those who stand by while someone is being abused are as guilty as the abuser.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 30, 2015, 01:56:01 AM
As predicted, the drama queen is now an innocent victim of the abuse he brings upon himself.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 02:03:13 AM
As predicted, the drama queen is now an innocent victim of the abuse he brings upon himself.

Regards...

Between your posting #552 and the quoted post above you lasted two hours and thirty-four minutes.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 30, 2015, 02:21:33 AM
Simply amazing...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2015, 02:24:38 AM
I had no idea these were timed events.......?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 30, 2015, 02:29:08 AM
I had no idea these were timed events.......?

Not all of us get paid to sit by the keyboard.

Regards...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 30, 2015, 03:22:51 AM
Just ignore Crap-Z-ro.  It is much easier.

Too bad I still have to see his crap when someone quotes him.  I really like how he can see a Christmas tree and think it is some sort of anal plug  toy.  He has proved many times he has some weird fascination with the male ass.  I had asked him many times before to leave his sexual preferences out of his posts but...I do not think he can control himself.

Now he claims he was abused in school.  Really?  I wonder why?  If he was as big of an asshole then as he is now...it is a wonder he didn't get the shit beat out of him on a daily basis.  I have no sympathy for him.  Now he claims he was "hacked".  I wonder why?  He turns me into Stefan, and then complains when I suggest he be moderated...this man has obvious problems that we can not solve here so...Ignore works well.

Just please stop quoting his sexual postings so I do not have to see them.  I am done with this miserable excuse for a human being.

Thanks,

Bill

PS  No doubt this sick individual will respond with many uses of the word "ASS" and make sexual references and...he will call at least one more person here a paid shill.  Oh, I forgot, he will also call someone who contributes a lot to this site a troll.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 30, 2015, 04:26:45 AM
Just ignore Crap-Z-ro.  It is much easier.

Yeah, ignore me...just like this arse kisser is always doing, but forgets himself long enough for moronic posts about me.

Idiot.


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Too bad I still have to see his crap when someone quotes him.  I really like how he can see a Christmas tree and think it is some sort of anal plug  toy.

But plug ???  Hmmm, who mentioned butt plug ?

Oh yeah, he did...another Freudian slip.

He may even have one inserted right now...and probably sleeps with it  in also.


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He has proved many times he has some weird fascination with the male ass.  I had asked him many times before to leave his sexual preferences out of his posts but...I do not think he can control himself.

A post review wood reveal its in reality the butt pirate who is all about the anal intercourse...like his idol Ted Haggart, the closet homosexual.

Projecting your problems on others is the most basic of all the psychological conditions...after all he is a very basic weirdo.


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Now he claims he was abused in school.  Really?

Once again the butt pirate is projecting...nobody mentioned school but the arse kisser.   

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If he was as big of an asshole then as he is now...it is a wonder he didn't get the shit beat out of him on a daily basis.

More arse kisser projecting.
 

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Now he claims he was "hacked".  I wonder why?

Hacked ???

Who but the arse kisser mentioned hacking ?

This loon is really delusional. 


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He turns me into Stefan,...

Whatever that means ???

Anybody here familiar with speak arse kisser speak ?


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...and then complains when I suggest he be moderated...

Once again, more delusional arse kisser ranting.

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...this man has obvious problems that we can not solve here so...[.quote]

Ooopsy, another Freudian slip.
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Ignore works well.

How wood the arse kisser know that...he only pretends he figured out how it works.


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Just please stop quoting his sexual postings so I do not have to see them.

Yeah you guys, stop it...they keep making his butt plug vibrate and his teeth chatter.


quote]I am done with this miserable excuse for a human being.

Thats a lie !  I never shoved anything up the arse kissers butt.


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Thanks,

Bill

...ace arse kisser to the trolls.



This is where my entertainment comes in.

Morons always provide the best straight lines.

Regards...



PS  No doubt this sick individual will respond with many uses of the word "ASS"

...and make sexual references

...he will call at least one more person here a paid shill.  Oh, I forgot, he will also call someone who contributes a lot to this site a troll.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 30, 2015, 04:42:00 AM
Oh, just in case Crap-Z-ro denies that he turned me into Stefan for some imagined threat.....

Well, you can all read for yourselves.  I just know that he will try to deny what he has done.

Bill

PS  I have screenshots of all of his BS from before I added him to IGNORE.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 30, 2015, 04:57:09 AM
Yeah, the arse kisser really has me ignore alright.

Has he turned into Stefan yet, I cant tell...or should he be picked a little while longer ?

Stefan can answer whether i was hacked or not.

We established it wasn't the arse kisser, as he has to have his buddy Ted Haggart turn on his computer for him.

In return for the favor, the butt pirate turns on Haggart by wearing a teddy and twerking while wearing his butt plug.

Regards...


Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 30, 2015, 05:04:55 AM
Anybody that has been following this thread knows that I have already covered this.  If the bucking coils are perfectly matched, the voltage across them will be zero.  The the attached scope capture shows where they are not a perfect match, but very close.  If one coil is at +5.0 volts, and the other coil is at +5.1 volts, then the voltage across the two coils is 0.1 volts.

Hi MileHigh. I have done a fair bit of experimenting with various coils wound in opposing orientation
and it is not quite so straight forward. Frequency of operation is also a factor here as well.
I have seen cases where for most frequencies what you say is correct, but at certain frequencies
for some reason you can measure a large imbalance between the two terminal voltages. Also
something else that some people may be overlooking is that when you connect a scope probe
across those terminals such that the probe ground clip is on one terminal and the probe tip is on the
other terminal, the scope probe is unbalanced and can unbalance the balanced coil output terminals,
causing you to measure a large voltage difference across the two terminals. As soon as you remove
the scope probe the voltage across say a resistor attached to the two terminals will drop back close to zero. ;)
This is because the output terminals of the opposing windings are balanced until you connect something
which is unbalanced like a scope probe, or if you connect an Earth ground connection to one of the terminals.
Doing this unbalances the overall coil configuration and it starts to work differently. Anyone who has actually done
some experimentation with this sort of configuration should be aware of this however. Adding an Earth ground
or scope probe ground won't always unbalance such a configuration, as it also seems to depend on the exact
overall winding configuration and coil placement. etc., and the frequency you are running at.

The analysis of these sort of circuits is really not so straight forward at all when you consider all the different possible
winding variations and coil placement and frequency of operation, etc. Also, another important factor in these
configurations is of course the type of ferrite material that as being used as a core, if a person is using a ferrite core. Different
ferrite materials can produce some different and interesting results at certain frequencies as well. It is easy to dismiss things
outright, but clearly there are a lot of variables in this sort of configuration and various interesting effects can certainly sometimes
be observed. Whether certain configurations can really lead to over unity or not I can't say, but a person just never knows
unless they at least try and put in some real effort. Even then you could still overlook something, especially if a person already has 
their mind made up that over unity is not possible.  ;)

All the best...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: orbut 3000 on January 30, 2015, 05:18:43 AM
This is a little off-topic but maybe the coprophiles should consider to discuss their fetish in a more appropriate place.
-Coprophilia is off-topic.
-Could demonstrably false claims of overunity also considered off-topic?

Perhaps Stefan should add a new sub-forum for discussing coprophilia.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 06:38:30 AM
Void:

Sorry but your response to my posting is wrong on many levels.  It's understood that I am talking about normal frequency ranges.  Almost every circuit will start to exhibit phase shift at higher frequencies because of capacitive and inductive effects.  As far as the alleged imbalance goes when you connect a probe across the pair of bucking coils, that makes no sense.  The bucking coils are isolated from the primary coil and that should not happen.  If you do see it happen and you _know_ it's not supposed to happen then you need to investigate and find out why.  However, it will not be because of some "unique or unknown" property of bucking coils themselves.  The important message here is you do not just blindly accept something that should not be happening and instead call it an "unusual property" of bucking coils.  The argument about "all possible variations and combinations, etc" is also not a valid argument.  You are supposed to know how a transformer works, regular or bucking, and know what to do and where to go in your testing.  If you followed your logic then you simply can never test a circuit completely because there are essentially infinite variations to test.  Different ferrite materials have different properties and they all will steal some of your source energy away in the form of heat and vibration and everyone should know this.  There will never be a "magic" ferrite to use for a bucking coil transformer.  If you are going to do full exhaustive testing, the main line of investigation would be to do a frequency sweep for every test procedure and record the response.  This all a standard and anyone that knows electronics knows  this.

In summary, sure do exhaustive testing if you want.  That's all fine.  But there is no hunting for a needle in a haystack looking for over unity with what is really and truly nothing more than a transformer.  I sure if you looked around for spec sheets, in some of them there will be between 20 and 30 plots for all of the relevant parameters and most of them will have one dimension being the frequency axis.

Now I realize that "looking for a needle in a haystack" would be considered a valid thing to do on the forums.  I'm sure that Chris will use this line of reasoning because he is already there.  But in the end, there is going to have to be closure on this issue and there is only so many haystacks you can look through before you have to call the tests off and simply share your data with your peers.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 30, 2015, 08:41:45 AM
Milehigh. There are no restrictions on what frequencies a person can test with. People are looking for the unusual here.
I am pointing out that characteristics of any sort of transformers can change at different frequencies
as well as with positioning of the primary coil with respect to the two secondary coils on a ferrite rod, type
of ferrite, etc. I also didn't say ground or a scope probe unbalancing a transformer is a property of bucking coils.
The same unbalancing can occur with regular transformer arrangements as well. ;)

If you use any sort of transformer in a typical way you should get typical results, that is to be expected.
Clearly though, what people are looking for here are not usual results, so doing unconventional things
and looking for unexpected results and unusual effects that normally might be avoided are what people
are often doing.  For example, deliberately switching a ferrite core coil in and out of saturation
to see if you can get anything useful, where normally you would instead take steps to avoid saturation.
Again, it is obvious that if you do everything as normal you should get normal and expected results, but that is of
course not what people are interested in when looking for OU. People looking for unusual effects is for certain
nothing for anyone to get into a twist about. Most people looking into this stuff are doing it as a hobby.
They just like messing around with such things. Everybody has different backgrounds and different levels of experience.
Sometimes people are right about things they claim or assume, and sometimes they are wrong. It happens every day
all over this world in regards to most anything. It is certainly nothing to have fits about. If I go through a day where I
didn't make a mistake or say something wrong, then I am have having a pretty good day. Relax man. :)
The world is not going to end because of some hobby experimenting or because someone made a
claim about some experiment they conducted which might be wrong.

All the best...

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 30, 2015, 09:29:03 AM
Testbed with Secret of DPDT and op-amp based push-pull power transistor driver: 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 30, 2015, 09:36:10 AM
I have not done any real testing yet, just enough to confirm that the board works properly. I took out one of the two core spacers to narrow the gap a bit and this gives me about 20 percent higher inductance in "aiding" mode than before. The "bucking" mode inductance went down slightly as well.  The apparatus makes interesting waveforms, whines and chatters and buzzes the core and all of that. The transistors do get warm so I am only running it for short periods.  I've been using -7.5 - 0 - +7.5 volts in from the power supply, and using the F43 function generator to drive it.

All I can say at this point is that it behaves pretty much as expected, as long as the transistors don't saturate from being overdriven. I have seen a few weird things but as I said I have really only tested it enough to see that the push-pull driver circuit is working properly.

I am still waiting for someone to show me some measurements that could be interpreted as "OU" so that I can duplicate those.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: minnie on January 30, 2015, 11:49:18 AM



   TinselKoala,
              that looks something like !!!
    Interesting to see your results when they come, good work.
             John.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2015, 12:22:57 PM
who made the page so big..?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: NoBull on January 30, 2015, 12:34:28 PM
who made the page so big..?

He did it !
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 12:49:47 PM
Void:

Of course there is no restriction on what frequencies you can test at.  But in the the real world you know that as the frequency sweeps higher and higher the response from the circuit gets lower and lower because of inductive effects taking over.  You can see it in Itsu's clips right now.  Eventually no matter what your excitation waveform the output becomes a sine wave of much smaller amplitude.  You say that you did a lot of bench work so you must have observed this many times.  I have observed it hundreds and hundreds of times myself.  Any bucking coils configuration will do the same thing as per Itsu's videos.  All circuits eventually act like low-pass filters and so will all of the replications.

People can try whatever unusual excitation they want, it will not change the fundamental property of what they are testing.  Note that Chris did not specify any unusual excitation, but he hasn't really defined anything to any precise degree.  I can see you advocating for "try anything, look for the unusual" but in the real world most people are going to try sine or square wave excitation and measure power out vs. power in.  They can try all they want, but the bucking coils transformer will do exactly what it is supposed to do, no more no less.  Ultimately, it's just going to act like an under unity low-pass filter just like any other transformer.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2015, 12:54:39 PM
HHMM
I think there is enuff of this silly nonsense ,here we have replicators
spending tens of hours and hundreds of dollars [thousands if you were paying a shop]
and we have all this NONSENSE going on....


ENUFF already...


how about some gratitude for whats being done here.


maybe a smidge of respect... or will we keep posting the same GARBAGE over and over ??


you guys are burying some really hard work with STUPID REDUNDANT COMMENTS OVER AND OVER AND OVER


 ENUFFFFF








Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 12:55:55 PM
What nonsense are you talking about?

If you are wigging out because I described a transformer as an under unity low pass filter then you can post an apology for not respecting my opinion and knowledge after every single replication acts like an under unity low pass filter.  Nor is the comment redundant, it's the first time I have used that terminology.  You can also apologize for playing the role of an enforcer wanting to deny people the right to free speech.  Text on a monitor is not going to stop someone from doing their testing.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 30, 2015, 01:09:05 PM
What nonsense are you talking about?

The nonsense of trying to hit an invisible target that isn't even there?

That is, how is a person supposed to "replicate" that which is not specified?

EMJ has _still_ not produced any evidence anywhere that I can find that his claims are true or that there is anything at all "non-standard" about the behaviour of his "partnered coil" configuration.  And if your, or my, or Itsu's "replication" fails to produce OU... well, it's just one, two or three of those 9 out of 10 tries that "don't work", then, isn't it.

Meanwhile.... that elusive "one in ten" that is OU sure seems to be quite a bit rarer than that.... since we have seen no evidence from _anyone_ that it exists at all.  What we have seen is the same-old same-old shyness effect. OU measurements are very shy, aren't they. Invisible targets....
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2015, 01:47:59 PM
MH
you are kidding right??
you can't look over these last twenty pages and see Nonsense?? GARBAGE


as far as you are concerned You contribute the same profoundly obvious comments very efficiently over and over and over and over. as if some how Tinsel was inept.
 
do you feel Tinsel unqualified to make his own case here?


I think his last post covers it pretty well?


however recent visitors need to go back thru a hundred pages of YOUR posts to realize he stands on solid ground


He's a Replicator!! spending TIME AND MONEY not just tapping random thoughts and observations on a key board...
Respect    it should be more prevalent here.
 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: gnino on January 30, 2015, 01:58:20 PM
Hi its ok take measurement with this setup?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 02:01:54 PM
Chet:

Your posts are sometimes difficult to decipher.  I have encouraged people to replicate from the very beginning so I don't know what your problem is.  If I understand, you are something like a professional building inspector with a ton of experience under your belt.  I am pretty sure you would be offended if some 21-year-old kid off the street came in an did an amateur appraisal of a building that you knew was wrong.  You wouldn't want your voice squelched, would you?  You would even be offended that some inexperienced kid could make a mistake and put your clients in danger.  If I describe how a transformer works tuff luck for you.  But I certainly am not going to do an evaluation of a building constructed in 1931 because I am not qualified.  Nor would I call your comments about the structural integrity of a building GARBAGE.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2015, 02:22:49 PM
Mh
I have no idea where you get this " some kind of professional building inspector "


I worked In NYC  Boston DC  ETC  for testing labs verifying the structural integrity of buildings bridges tunnels
runways railroads etc etc etc  ......all my life.
and consulted on remediation of same   at  the highest level of liability.
it is why I NEVER assume.


and YES I see you at times tell people to put their hands in _their_ wallet and replicate.


some of us try to assist these replications in any way we can ,I think there should be more respect for this process around here.
I see this model [helping replicators] as a much more productive path than the typical example set at this forum.



 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 02:29:09 PM
When I tell them that their transformer will act like a low-pass filter that IS assisting them you fool.  That IS respect.  You are just going to have to chill out.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: dieter on January 30, 2015, 02:35:09 PM
Hey ramset, there is no point in trying to convince people like MH of anything, he's just a troll, a spammer. he may get paid for spreading his shit all over the place in here. You have to use the IGNORE list, (profile settings).


He (and others like him) tries upset ppl by insulting them aggressively and stupidly to provocate reactions, which in addition will then fill the thread with crap.


Spread the word, use the ignore list.


BR
 
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2015, 02:36:04 PM

MH
I was unaware that Tinsel did not know this,
thank you ...


maybe you could reach him Ohms law too?




can we please list all the other things which you feel
 the need to contribute at this time [to help Tinsel]
and then we'll make that a benchmark post and you
 can just come in with a "SEE POST # ??? ? in the future?
instead of filling this replication thread with 4 thousand
redundant "LOOK AT ME " posts ??


PLEASE ?


Chet
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 03:17:01 PM
Chet:

I was simply responding to Void.  I was not addressing TK in any way or giving him any advice.  Kiss my ass with your negative spinning and just chill out.  You are not 'forcing' me to do anything, nor are you 'forcing' me to not engage in a dialogue with somebody if I want to.

Dieter:

I am not a troll and feel free to live in self-imposed ignorance.

Both of you can come back in a few weeks and post that the 'bucking coils' transformer has no merit after the results come in, if you have any courage.  I will do the same if the results are positive.  I posted some financial numbers from 2006 for the transformer industry.  So in 2015 the transformer industry is probably at least a 30 billion dollar per year industry.  If there was a way to make a better transformer they would know about it, and science would know about it.  And there is no Easter Bunny either.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2015, 03:24:15 PM
dieter
to say MH is not an asset at this forum ,
those words will NEVER come from me.


I do most things like a business , no wasting time or effort
I try to do the same for others,and yes this EMJ topic
is NORMALLY something I would not bother with
NOT because of the claim ,mostly because he is not being forthcoming.

I cannot waste the time or money of the men I hold so Dear...
thats why this needs less interruption and more interaction with the
BUILDERS ASAP...


and we have started that accelerated process......[just took a few Magnums  :) ]

To be clear I have Nothing but gratitude for Tinsels work here



Thx
Chet
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 30, 2015, 04:07:51 PM
...
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 30, 2015, 04:11:27 PM
... crikey, hit quote instead of modify... ;)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: ramset on January 30, 2015, 05:13:13 PM
VOID
we're just sorting some things out here..
it happens from time to time ,but this time we are closer than ever to a very good solution.
I have sent MH a PM and we shall see ??[please no personal references here MH]
Mh is needed in this forum now more than ever.


@ dieter Please do not be put off by my response there is confusion here.
and I believe we can ALL show good intent and refocus  our efforts into a more symbiotic relationship.


we do this elsewhere and very successfully ,it needs doing here too.


respectfully
Chet
EDIT
Here are some examples of what experimenting with an open mind looks like
a small example below Post #147-150

 http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2760.125

http://www.overunityresearch.com/index.php?topic=2760.150

absolutely no reason we can't do this here too....



over there we work together and help each other ,whether its Finance or whatever
here we have a prefect opportunity to do the same?

lets try it ,all the pieces are here..will this community step up and Help ...
by supporting  qualified Build teams  to investigate these Claims ...

and at a penny on the dollar price tag??[compared to the same qualified builders value in open market]


Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 30, 2015, 05:17:44 PM
I did a careful analysis of the electrical energy (see attached drawing and scope shots)

- Watt1, going from the Function Generator into the whole circuit (coil H1 and resistor R1)

- Watt2, going through the resistor R1 and

- Watt3, going through the coil H1 (primary of the partnered coil).

A person wanting to prove OU in "partnered output coils" would be interested in Watt3 (energy put in through the primary H1).

Note, the resistor R1 (100 Ohm shunt) could be 1 Ohm or even 0.1 Ohm if one uses an Audio Amplifier instead of the Function Generator (in order to send several Watt through primary H1, which I will do soon).


Analysis at 50 Hz (10 V peak to peak sine wave or AC from the Function Generator):

V1eff = 2.3 V , I1eff = V1eff / R1 = 2.3 / 100 = 23 mA , V2eff = 2.3 V, ϴ= 3°

Watt1 = V2eff * I1eff = 53 mW

Watt2 = V1eff * I1eff = 53 mW

Watt3 = (V2eff - V1eff) * I1eff * cos(ϴ) = ~ 0  mW  (coil H1 has no inductance at 50 Hz, 23 mA, needs more Ampere, output from H2 + H3 through R2 is ~ 0 mW, measurement not shown)


Analysis at 1000 Hz (10 V peak to peak sine wave or AC from the Function Generator):

V1eff = 1.5 V , I1eff = V1eff / R1 = 1.5 / 100 = 15 mA , V2eff = 3 V, ϴ= 53°

Watt1 = V2eff * I1eff = 45 mW

Watt2 = V1eff * I1eff = 22,5 mW

Watt3 = (V2eff - V1eff) * I1eff * cos(ϴ) = 1.5 * 15 * 0.6 = 13,5 mW (output from H2 + H3 through R2 is ~1.4 mW, measurement not shown)


Analysis at 2000 Hz (10 V peak to peak sine wave or AC from the Function Generator):

V1eff = 1 V , I1eff = V1eff / R1 = 1 / 100 = 10 mA , V2eff = 3.3 V, ϴ= 68°

Watt1 = V2eff * I1eff = 33 mW

Watt2 = V1eff * I1eff = 10 mW

Watt3 = (V2eff - V1eff) * I1eff * cos(ϴ) = 2.3 * 10 * 0.37 = 8,5 mW (output from H2 + H3 through R2 is ~0.14 mW, measurement not shown)


Remark: In this set up the output is highest (about 1,4 mW) at around 2000 Hz. I know one has to put more Watt (instead of Milliwatt) through the primary of the "partnered output coills". This is just a test to develop a reliable measurement method. A "real test" will be done with an Audio Amplifier instead of the Function Generator. The shunt R1 will be 10 Ohm in order to put around 4 to 8 Watt through the primary H1 of the "partnered output coils. And this measurement method will be used.

Please look at this measurement method and let me know if I did something wrong. The idea is to eventually come up with a reliable and useful measurement method, which we all can accept.

Greetings, Conrad

P.S.: you can see the test set up here http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg435506/#msg435506 (http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg435506/#msg435506)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 30, 2015, 08:08:52 PM
Well,I have just spend couple hours looking at the Kunel's patent I have made a time ago. Input from my SG through the opto-couple  one IRFP460 Mosfet and 12V car bulb directly to the pulsing (shielding) coil and I have used several ferite  magnets
  Three or four hours no fun at all. Than I have put the cap across the input coil to make it behave as resonate circuit. On the scope shot I could recognize some  artifacts  after the rising edge - not ringing it was like like 5 small SQR waves of the same magnitude)- it's frequency measured around 1.4Mhz and I could see it on output too as a ringing. If that would be on ferite bar I would say it is ferromagnetic resonance. But I have used transformer lamination and I am not sure if that has also some sort of such resonance. Or ,it was ferite magnet itself? Anyway, when I tuned my SG to that frequency, the burst of energy and light made my device dead. And because I am sick of it for today I will investigate the damage tomorrow :)

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 30, 2015, 09:18:47 PM
Yes, on the lowpass filter, that's very clear in every frequency-sweep comparison, like Itsu's and my own. I see some interesting stuff _below_ the filter's effective cutoff frequency range. It's also interesting when a resonant condition is found.

I'll comment on Conrad's setup after I've had a cup of coffee.

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 30, 2015, 09:25:52 PM
I found, that at 4.3 MHz there is a maximum output of 3.1 mW


Input analysis at 4.3 MHz Hz (10 V peak to peak sine wave or AC from the Function Generator):

V1eff = 0.9 V , I1eff = V1eff / R1 = 0.9 / 100 = 9 mA , V2eff = 0.9 V, ϴ= 0°

Watt1 = V2eff * I1eff = 8.1 mW

Watt2 = V1eff * I1eff = 8.1 mW

Watt3 = (V2eff - V1eff) * I1eff * cos(ϴ) is ~0 mW (output from H2 + H3 through R2 is ~3.1 mW, measurement not shown)

See the circuit diagram at http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg435839/#msg435839 (http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg435839/#msg435839)

There is not inductance at this frequency, it seems to be a 4.3 MHz radio wave transmission from coil H1 to the coils H2 + H3. The core is only rated up to 25 kHz, therefore 4.3 MHz can not excite it.

Greetings
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 30, 2015, 09:39:00 PM
Conrad's setup looks good for measuring the input power to the primary coil. But I'm not sure about the "Watt1" (total from FG)  computation since it includes the inductance of the primary coil, not just the purely resistive component across the current-sense resistor. Is there some phase difference to be accounted for there?

The total power in the coil itself, "Watt3", I think is calculated correctly.

Let's please hear MileHigh's analysis of this.  And please STOP dissing MH! He is a strong contributor of constructive criticism and it doesn't matter if he's not actually experimenting at the moment. His knowledge, experience and opinions are very valuable in this discussion.

When Conrad measures the output of the partner coils, does he disconnect the probes completely from the primary side? I'm not sure if this matters, but remember the probe reference leads are likely to be connected together in the scope itself. It would also be good to know if the FG's "black" or ground lead is connected internally and through the mains to the scope probe references. Measuring the input as he has shown, it won't matter if the FG is fully isolated or not, but when measuring the output it might matter.


My own testbed is using a 4.7 ohm precision non-inductive resistor in the place of Conrad's R1, and a 0.47 ohm carbon resistor in series with the R2 100 ohm carbon load resistor for monitoring current on the load (output) side.  I also have the bipolar push-pull current amplifier between the FG and the primary coil. Other than that I'm doing the same thing as Conrad (except I only have 40 turns on the primary, and of course I have the Secret of DPDT so that I can flip the connection polarity of the partnered coil that does not have the primary overwound on it.)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 30, 2015, 09:45:46 PM
I found, that at 4.3 MHz there is a maximum output of 3.1 mW


Input analysis at 4.3 MHz Hz (10 V peak to peak sine wave or AC from the Function Generator):

V1eff = 0.9 V , I1eff = V1eff / R1 = 0.9 / 100 = 9 mA , V2eff = 0.9 V, ϴ= 0°

Watt1 = V2eff * I1eff = 8.1 mW

Watt2 = V1eff * I1eff = 8.1 mW

Watt3 = (V2eff - V1eff) * I1eff * cos(ϴ) is ~0 mW (output from H2 + H3 through R2 is ~3.1 mW, measurement not shown)

See the circuit diagram at http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg435839/#msg435839 (http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg435839/#msg435839)

There is not inductance at this frequency, it seems to be a 4.3 MHz radio wave transmission from coil H1 to the coils H2 + H3. The core is only rated up to 25 kHz, therefore 4.3 MHz can not excite it.

Greetings

Well, congratulations! This is the first measurement I've seen that could even plausibly be interpreted as an "OU" measurement! (even though it isn't really).  But see my concern about the Watt1 calculation mentioned above.

Is this what EMJ is talking about when he says that the M cancels but the E-field is still there?

(Unfortunately my FG tops out at 3MHz, so I would have to use some trickery to get up to that frequency range, plus my inductance is likely a bit lower than Conrad's.)

Good luck reaching these frequencies with an audio amplifier!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 30, 2015, 10:05:36 PM
Conrad's setup looks good for measuring the input power to the primary coil. But I'm not sure about the "Watt1" (total from FG)  computation since it includes the inductance of the primary coil, not just the purely resistive component across the current-sense resistor. Is there some phase difference to be accounted for there?

I think one has to calculate the total resistance (R1 + impedance of H1) with SQRT(R1*R1 + X*X), but I do know how to calculate the impedance X of H1.

The total power in the coil itself, "Watt3", I think is calculated correctly.

Let's hope so. A mix of resistance (R1) and impedance (H1) is always tricky to calculate.

Let's please hear MileHigh's analysis of this.  And please STOP dissing MH! He is a strong contributor of constructive criticism and it doesn't matter if he's not actually experimenting at the moment. His knowledge, experience and opinions are very valuable in this discussion.

I think that MileHigh shrugs off idiots. One should just forget the psychos. I stopped answering the strange posts.

When Conrad measures the output of the partner coils, does he disconnect the probes completely from the primary side? I'm not sure if this matters, but remember the probe reference leads are likely to be connected together in the scope itself. It would also be good to know if the FG's "black" or ground lead is connected internally and through the mains to the scope probe references. Measuring the input as he has shown, it won't matter if the FG is fully isolated or not, but when measuring the output it might matter.

Yes, the probes are completely disconnected from the input while measuring output and vice versa.

On the input I make sure that the GND of the function generator corresponds with GND of the scope probes.

On the output side it would not matter if one leg of coil (H2 + H3) is connected to GND of the function generator (as long as no scope probe is on the input side).

My own testbed is using a 4.7 ohm precision non-inductive resistor in the place of Conrad's R1, and a 0.47 ohm carbon resistor in series with the R2 100 ohm carbon load resistor for monitoring current on the load (output) side.  I also have the bipolar push-pull current amplifier between the FG and the primary coil. Other than that I'm doing the same thing as Conrad (except I only have 40 turns on the primary, and of course I have the Secret of DPDT so that I can flip the connection polarity of the partnered coil that does not have the primary overwound on it.)

Looking forward to your results. I will switch to the audio amplifier once I am sure about the measurement method. Knowledge about a good measurement method can help all serious experimenters.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 30, 2015, 10:12:29 PM
Well, congratulations! This is the first measurement I've seen that could even plausibly be interpreted as an "OU" measurement! (even though it isn't really).  But see my concern about the Watt1 calculation mentioned above.

Is this what EMJ is talking about when he says that the M cancels but the E-field is still there?

(Unfortunately my FG tops out at 3MHz, so I would have to use some trickery to get up to that frequency range, plus my inductance is likely a bit lower than Conrad's.)

Good luck reaching these frequencies with an audio amplifier!

I checked up to 20 MHz (the limit of my FG). The square wave signal limit is 5 MHz. And I could measure with a 4.3 MHz square wave. The output is about 10% higher.

My audio amplifier will only do 40 - 20 000 Hz:
http://www.conrad.at/ce/de/product/117560/Kemo-Verstaerker-Modul-M032N-Baustein-6-16-VDC-Ausgangsleistung-12-W (speaker = Lautsprecheranschluss 4 - 16 Ω, frequency range = Frequenzgang ca. 40 - 20 000 Hz)

So, I will have to use that MOSFET-Driver for higher frequencies.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 10:13:29 PM
Conrad:

Great documentation, showing a circuit, your probe positions, your measurements.  I will get into all of that in another posting.

First thing I want to discuss is to revisit the 'ghost' replicators from the earlier part of the thread that have all seemingly run away.  They never showed schematics, pictures, probe placements, or measurements.  They played this nonsensical game of "experiment by five sentences."  You guys have got to get it through your heads that you simply can't 'experiment' and exchange notes and change configurations purely in text.  You are just doing a dance of the deaf and blind when you do that.  You are talking back and forth to each other and pretending that you are exchanging useful information but in fact you are not.  You are just playing a silly game.  Look at Conrad's presentation as a model to follow for how you should present your own data.  If you are going to do a replication, then don't slightly change your own circuit and pretend it's a replication.  Do a real replication, show real data and stop playing your silly 'text games.'

Okay, I got that off my chest.  Sorry, but I have always hated 'fake experiment talk' and fake replications.  That doesn't advance anything at all.

Itsu did a power-out vs. power-in measurement clip:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INS_SxpJ-XI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INS_SxpJ-XI)

My comments on the clip:

<<<
Itsu, thank you for making the measurement.  I can see how the bucking coil power output is so low that the primary ends up looking more like an inductance instead of the load reflecting back to the primary such that the primary voltage and current would be in phase.

I think it is fair to say that for a normal transformer once the power output to the resistive load attached to the secondary goes above a certain low level threshold, then you will see the primary voltage and current nearly perfectly in phase.  But below that threshold and the transformer primary starts to look mostly like an ordinary inductor.  So the very low power output of the secondary in the bucking configuration is ultimately counter productive.   There is no "COP 1.7 'magic'" in sight.
>>>

To be continued....
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 30, 2015, 10:18:46 PM
What did I learn from Itsu's power measurement clip?

So to me that means that when you have the bucking secondary setup, the more closely matched the two bucking coils are, the less voltage you get across the pair of bucking coils.  This obviously hampers your ability to output power into a load resistor and I discussed that in more detail in an earlier posting.

What I did not realize was that the power output in certain setups can be so low, that it is barely "noticed" by the transformer primary, and by the driving signal source, which in Itsu's case is a signal generator.  The result of that is the transformer primary is effectively not really loaded and therefore to the driving signal source the transformer looks mostly like an inductor.  If it looked like a pure inductor the phase shift between the voltage and the current would be 90 degrees.  In Itsu's case the phase shift is something like 87 degrees.

Do you realize what that means?  It means that the bucking coil transformer is acting like a blocking device not letting any power go to the load resistor.  The more matched the two separate bucking coils are the more there is blocking of the power flow from the power source to the load.  When the bucking coils are perfectly matched then the bucking coil transformer will block 100% of the power from going into the load resistor.

In other words, welcome to Monty Python's Flying Circus.

I suppose if you intentionally mismatch your two bucking coils enough, then you can get some real power flow going, and then the voltage and current on the primary will be in phase, which is what you would expect if you were driving a purely resistive load on the secondary.

How could Chris possibly claim COP 1.7 for this stuff?  It's beyond me.

What are we really doing here?  The answer is that we are intentionally doing a very bad design as per normal design practices, in the hope that we strike some kind of magic pay dirt and and can flash an over unity victory sign.

Sometimes I am just aghast, and this is one of those moments.  I am shaking my head.

I am not suggesting anybody stop their experimentation with this setup.  But please, dear God, when all is said and done, at least be able to state clearly what you learned here.  To be politically incorrect, you will have learned that foolish designs give you miserable results.  No matter what kind of verbage EMJunkie wants to throw at this setup, the truth is the truth.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 30, 2015, 11:29:02 PM
What did I learn from Itsu's power measurement clip?

So to me that means that when you have the bucking secondary setup, the more closely matched the two bucking coils are, the less voltage you get across the pair of bucking coils.  This obviously hampers your ability to output power into a load resistor and I discussed that in more detail in an earlier posting.

What I did not realize was that the power output in certain setups can be so low, that it is barely "noticed" by the transformer primary, and by the driving signal source, which in Itsu's case is a signal generator.  The result of that is the transformer primary is effectively not really loaded and therefore to the driving signal source the transformer looks mostly like an inductor.  If it looked like a pure inductor the phase shift between the voltage and the current would be 90 degrees.  In Itsu's case the phase shift is something like 87 degrees.

Do you realize what that means?  It means that the bucking coil transformer is acting like a blocking device not letting any power go to the load resistor.  The more matched the two separate bucking coils are the more there is blocking of the power flow from the power source to the load.  When the bucking coils are perfectly matched then the bucking coil transformer will block 100% of the power from going into the load resistor.
(snip)


Is this what is happening with Conrad's circuit at high frequency? So that the power in the primary seems to be all reactive, giving a "zero" power result, and yet the power measured in the secondary is 3 mW or so?


Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 31, 2015, 04:23:16 AM
I came across this experiment on "Bucking Magnet Fields" and "Scaler Waves". I found it interesting because it demonstrates that Scaler Waves are emitted from the joint between the magnet faces at certain frequencies. This caused me to reflect on the Jerry Bayles spinning "Chiral Disk" magnet tests. (Chiral=Bucking). The experimenter's lighting a "Zenon tube" just exciting the magnet windings with that DC motor!
        _______
      |\        \
      |  \        \
      |\   \        \
      |  \   \ _______\ S
       \   \  |       |      Obtain two Radio Shack ceramic magnets and
         \   \|_______| N    glue their north pole faces together.
           \  |       | N
             \|_______|
                        S
 

            _______          Wind the magnets with about 50 turns
          |\   \\\  \        of #30 magnet wire.  Wire gauge is not
          |  \  \\\\  \      critical.
          |\   \  \\\\  \
          |  \   \ _\\\\__\
           \   \  |  |||| |
             \   \|__||||_|
               \  |  |||| |
                 \|__||||_|
                     \  |      ________
                     |  |     [ small, ]
                     |   -----[ noisy  ]----------o
                     |        [_motor__]           6v to 12v power supply
                     |
                     |____________________________o

The brush noise from the DC motor provides a pulse signal to the coil,
which modulates the 'colliding' field pattern of the magnets and creates
interesting scalar effects within a narrow pencil-beam pattern which extends
from each face of the magnet out to a few inches.

            _______
          |\   \\\  \
          |  \  \\\\  \
          |\   \  \\\\  \
  <<<<<<<<<<<\   \ _\\\\__\>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scalar effect comes from the
  <<<<<<<<<<<<<\  |  |||| |>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joint between magnet faces
             \   \|__||||_|
               \  |  |||| |
                 \|__||||_|
                     \  |
                     |  |
                     |  |
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Magluvin on January 31, 2015, 04:42:42 AM
I came across this experiment on "Bucking Magnet Fields" and "Scaler Waves". I found it interesting because it demonstrates that Scaler Waves are emitted from the joint between the magnet faces at certain frequencies. This caused me to reflect on the Jerry Bayles spinning "Chiral Disk" magnet tests. (Chiral=Bucking).
        _______
      |\        \
      |  \        \
      |\   \        \
      |  \   \ _______\ S
       \   \  |       |      Obtain two Radio Shack ceramic magnets and
         \   \|_______| N    glue their north pole faces together.
           \  |       | N
             \|_______|
                        S
 

            _______          Wind the magnets with about 50 turns
          |\   \\\  \        of #30 magnet wire.  Wire gauge is not
          |  \  \\\\  \      critical.
          |\   \  \\\\  \
          |  \   \ _\\\\__\
           \   \  |  |||| |
             \   \|__||||_|
               \  |  |||| |
                 \|__||||_|
                     \  |      ________
                     |  |     [ small, ]
                     |   -----[ noisy  ]----------o
                     |        [_motor__]           6v to 12v power supply
                     |
                     |____________________________o

The brush noise from the DC motor provides a pulse signal to the coil,
which modulates the 'colliding' field pattern of the magnets and creates
interesting scalar effects within a narrow pencil-beam pattern which extends
from each face of the magnet out to a few inches.

            _______
          |\   \\\  \
          |  \  \\\\  \
          |\   \  \\\\  \
  <<<<<<<<<<<\   \ _\\\\__\>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scalar effect comes from the
  <<<<<<<<<<<<<\  |  |||| |>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joint between magnet faces
             \   \|__||||_|
               \  |  |||| |
                 \|__||||_|
                     \  |
                     |  |
                     |  |

Pretty neat.  Where did you find this idea?

Mags
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 31, 2015, 04:44:38 AM
Conrad, TK:

Great reporting from Conrad, and I think his measurement method is sound.  But of course I have suggestions and comments.  I will tell you up front that I am at a disadvantage to you guys.  I don't really have any "feel" and my "touch skills" for this stuff are long gone.  When did I really and truly play with this kind of stuff?  In my Electronics I, II, and III labs in 1980-82.  There was a preliminary course called Basic Circuit Analysis and there was another course called Pulse Circuits and a bunch of other courses.  When I worked in this field I used a scope primarily to check the integrity of digital signals on circuit boards, not to play with coils and transformers.

Here is an example of my limitations:  It looks like for Conrad's first test at 50 Hz the reactance of the 60-turn H1 coil is almost nil and so it looks like a dead short at 50 Hz.  But I look at the picture and see that it is wound on a ferrite closed-loop core so I am saying to myself that doesn't seem to make sense.  My problem is that I don't have a "feel" for that.  However, I am pretty good as suggesting lines of investigation and supplementary tests.  If I was Conrad I would like to resolve that issue.  I would just measure the inductance of the H1 coil with everything else disconnected from the transformer.  I don't know if you have an inductance meter or if you can set up a test to measure inductance with your scope, but it would be nice to know that.

If it turns out that the inductance of H1 is indeed very low such that it is almost a dead short at 50 Hz, then now we know.  If it is, then I breathe a sigh of relief because your first round of measurements then seem to make sense.

Before really getting into the meat the measurements, I have a few other important comments.

As I have already mentioned in the case of Itsu, with very closely balanced bucking coils, the output voltage across the pair of bucking coils is very low and that arguably messes a lot of things up which I believe explains the first round of measurements.

So, my suggestion would be to bypass the bucking configuration just to make a "reality check" and make sure that your transformer setup does indeed work fine as a low-power transformer that does easily support some decent power throughput.  The simple way to do that would be to connect your load resistor across only one of the bucking coils.  That should give you a simple 1:3 step-up transformer.  If you get good power throughput results that would also confirm that you have a nice low-reluctance magnetic circuit backbone without any issues there.  You should also see the phase shift between the voltage and the current on the input be very low or zero when driving a load resistor.  You should be able to see something like say 3 watts on the input, and 2.95 watts on the output.  You could also lower the value of the load resistor and verify that the setup draws proportionally more power just like it is supposed to do.

TK, to respond to your question about measuring the power going input H1 coil:   Recall that with a conventional transformer the load on the secondary is reflected on the primary.  So the input coil will not look like a coil any more, it will look like a resistor.  So there is no issue measuring the voltage and the current going into the H1 primary coil.  Even if "something else is happening" there is still no reason that you can't measure the power going into H1 and any possible associated reactance of H1.

So in the next posting I will discuss the measurements.  The quick short and skinny is that it looks to me that the fact that very little power goes into the load resistor makes the input side of the transformer look more like an inductance than a device that is reflecting the load power back to the input.   Hence my suggestion above to just put a load resistor across a single bucking coil and leave the other bucking coil disconnected as a reality check.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 31, 2015, 04:47:12 AM
Pretty neat.  Where did you find this idea?

Mags

@Magluvin,

Check this link out:

http://www.gocs1.com/gocs1/Psionics/SCALARBEAMER.htm
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 31, 2015, 04:57:14 AM
Synchro1:

I have glued two neos together such that the like poles were attached to each other.  All I got from that was a thicker magnet with a N and S pole.

Now, I did not wind it with wire or anything like the experiment that you posted, but I am just wondering why that might work when the magnets become like one larger magnet?  Is there something "special" at the joint that i could not see or detect?  ( I just checked for poles)

Have you tired this experiment?  If so, what happened?

It looks easy and cheap enough to do, i might give it a go.

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 31, 2015, 04:58:09 AM
@Mags,

Here's a link to Bedini's original:

http://rexresearch.com/bediniscalar/bediniscalar.htm
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 31, 2015, 05:00:39 AM
Synchro1:

I have glued two neos together such that the like poles were attached to each other.  All I got from that was a thicker magnet with a N and S pole.

Now, I did not wind it with wire or anything like the experiment that you posted, but I am just wondering why that might work when the magnets become like one larger magnet?  Is there something "special" at the joint that i could not see or detect?  ( I just checked for poles)

Have you tired this experiment?  If so, what happened?

It looks easy and cheap enough to do, i might give it a go.

Bill

@Pirate88179,

You need to use ceramic magnets. I never tried this one.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 31, 2015, 05:06:30 AM
I came across this experiment on "Bucking Magnet Fields" and "Scaler Waves". I found it interesting because it demonstrates that Scaler Waves are emitted from the joint between the magnet faces at certain frequencies. This caused me to reflect on the Jerry Bayles spinning "Chiral Disk" magnet tests. (Chiral=Bucking). The experimenter's lighting a "Zenon tube" just exciting the magnet windings with that DC motor!
        _______
      |\        \
      |  \        \
      |\   \        \
      |  \   \ _______\ S
       \   \  |       |      Obtain two Radio Shack ceramic magnets and
         \   \|_______| N    glue their north pole faces together.
           \  |       | N
             \|_______|
                        S
 

            _______          Wind the magnets with about 50 turns
          |\   \\\  \        of #30 magnet wire.  Wire gauge is not
          |  \  \\\\  \      critical.
          |\   \  \\\\  \
          |  \   \ _\\\\__\
           \   \  |  |||| |
             \   \|__||||_|
               \  |  |||| |
                 \|__||||_|
                     \  |      ________
                     |  |     [ small, ]
                     |   -----[ noisy  ]----------o
                     |        [_motor__]           6v to 12v power supply
                     |
                     |____________________________o

The brush noise from the DC motor provides a pulse signal to the coil,
which modulates the 'colliding' field pattern of the magnets and creates
interesting scalar effects within a narrow pencil-beam pattern which extends
from each face of the magnet out to a few inches.

            _______
          |\   \\\  \
          |  \  \\\\  \
          |\   \  \\\\  \
  <<<<<<<<<<<\   \ _\\\\__\>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scalar effect comes from the
  <<<<<<<<<<<<<\  |  |||| |>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> joint between magnet faces
             \   \|__||||_|
               \  |  |||| |
                 \|__||||_|
                     \  |
                     |  |
                     |  |

I tried that one a long time ago, 15 years or more. I even had the motor spinning the magnet assembly on its long axis in one version. This was supposed to influence plant growth, as I recall.

In the example you cite, the xenon flashtube is being flashed by ordinary inductive collapse spikes, nothing more. Xenon is actually highly conductive at low pressures. 

Now, if someone can make the xenon tube flash without it being connected by wires to the coil, just by "beaming the scalar waves" at it ... please let me know right away.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Magluvin on January 31, 2015, 05:12:33 AM
Never got the scalar wave deal.  Is it a beaming of a wave? 

In audio, did car audio for 20 yrs,  if the wavelength(or half wave length, have to look that up again) of the output of the driver is smaller than the diameter of the driver ( speaker, tweeter, sub) diaphragm, there is a beaming effect rather than an omnidirectional propagation.  Like around 3khz, the wavelength is around 6in. So if you have a tweeter and mid with 3k input, if you change the distance of the tweeter closer to you in reference to the mid driver, the sound will cancel out. Bring the tweeter 6in closer, 12in in ref to the mid driver, the sound is back in phase.  Can make a system sound bad by putting tweeters high on a door panel if the distance offset is off.  Some guys out there can tell the difference, by listening, of the tweeter is equal distant from the listener, or if it was 12in closer yet still in phase. Odd things happen in that delay around the crossover freq and is detectable by a critical ear.

So the 6in speakers are generally cut off at around 3khz, and say an 8in would be at a lower freq, that is if the company that makes the item cares about those things.

Bah, went off a bit there.

Mags
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 31, 2015, 05:13:26 AM
Conrad, TK:

Okay, my take on Conrad's measurements.

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Analysis at 50 Hz (10 V peak to peak sine wave or AC from the Function Generator):

V1eff = 2.3 V , I1eff = V1eff / R1 = 2.3 / 100 = 23 mA , V2eff = 2.3 V, ϴ= 3°

Watt1 = V2eff * I1eff = 53 mW

Watt2 = V1eff * I1eff = 53 mW

Watt3 = (V2eff - V1eff) * I1eff * cos(ϴ) = ~ 0  mW  (coil H1 has no inductance at 50 Hz, 23 mA, needs more Ampere, output from H2 + H3 through R2 is ~ 0 mW, measurement not shown)

It looks like the reactance of the H1 primary inductance is so low at 50 Hz that it is a "nearly dead short," and the actual impedance of H1 is a combination of the (wire resistance of the coil itself and the very low inductive reactance and the teenie-weenie apparent resistive load on the bucking-coils secondary).   Note we assume that the wire resistance is low, the reactance is low, and the apparent load from the bucking coils is very very low and pretty much insignificant.

So when you compare this impedance at 50 Hz with the 100-ohm R1 resistor, the 100 ohm resistor predominates and almost all of the voltage drop is across R1.   I believe (but I am not sure, would have to be verified) that if you put the load resistor across only one of the bocking coils (switch to conventional step-up transformer) then you would start to see H1 starting to "grab some voltage drop of it's own" as power starts to flow from the primary to the secondary.

So H1's voltage drop is very tiny.  And embedded in the H1 voltage drop is a tiny tiny voltage drop associated with the load.   If the bucking coils were perfectly matched, the "slice" of the voltage drop across H1 would become zero.

If I was on the bench I would run the setup with only one probe channel across H1 directly.   This would minimally disturb the setup and I would want to satisfy my curiosity by looking at the waveform and changing the load or disconnecting the load, changing the frequency, etc.  The assumption is that at 50 Hz you will only see a very low voltage AC waveform across H1

This all illustrates how a "bucking coils transformer" works in the real world, and ignoring all the mumbo-jumbo talk it is just a severely crippled transformer.  Instead of being a 1:3 step-up transformer, in reality it's an inefficient (lots of coil windings doing nothing but resistively burning power) step-down transformer, something like 1:0.03.

I will squeeze in one final comment.  I think Conrad mentioned that the power in the load was measured with the probes on the primary side disconnected.  I view this as a mistake because there is already such a small amount of power flowing through the transformer that the probes, even though they are high impedance, still have the capacity to disturb the low power throughput of the device.   So even if you have to use a multimeter on the load resistor, I would do it like that and leave the probes always connected on the primary side.  This gives you a better chance of having a "level playing field" when comparing power-in and power-out.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 31, 2015, 05:15:07 AM
Never got the scalar wave deal.  Is it a beaming of a wave? 

In audio, did car audio for 20 yrs,  if the wavelength(or half wave length, have to look that up again) of the output of the driver is smaller than the diameter of the driver ( speaker, tweeter, sub) diaphragm, there is a beaming effect rather than an omnidirectional propagation.  Like around 3khz, the wavelength is around 6in. So if you have a tweeter and mid with 3k input, if you change the distance of the tweeter closer to you in reference to the mid driver, the sound will cancel out. Bring the tweeter 6in closer, 12in in ref to the mid driver, the sound is back in phase.  Can make a system sound bad by putting tweeters high on a door panel if the distance offset is off.  Some guys out there can tell the difference, by listening, of the tweeter is equal distant from the listener, or if it was 12in closer yet still in phase. Odd things happen in that delay around the crossover freq and is detectable by a critical ear.

So the 6in speakers are generally cut off at around 3khz, and say an 8in would be at a lower freq, that is if the company that makes the item cares about those things.

Bah, went off a bit there.

Mags

Mags:

Might that be because high frequency sound waves from the tweeter are directional, and mid range and bass are not?

(Learned that in my acoustics physics class in college)

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Magluvin on January 31, 2015, 05:30:32 AM
I tried that one a long time ago, 15 years or more. I even had the motor spinning the magnet assembly on its long axis in one version. This was supposed to influence plant growth, as I recall.

In the example you cite, the xenon flashtube is being flashed by ordinary inductive collapse spikes, nothing more. Xenon is actually highly conductive at low pressures. 

Now, if someone can make the xenon tube flash without it being connected by wires to the coil, just by "beaming the scalar waves" at it ... please let me know right away.

Maybe one could use hall sensors to see if there is a beaming field, or scalar waves?

Mags
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 31, 2015, 05:31:34 AM
As a matter of fact, now that I recall, I even built one of these, back in the day:
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http://amasci.com/freenrg/grav3.txt ... Hodowanec's capacitor-based gravity detector
as mentioned in the Bedini link from Synchro. And I even still have it, sitting over there on the shelf!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 31, 2015, 05:41:28 AM
Quote from: MH
I will squeeze in one final comment.  I think Conrad mentioned that the power in the load was measured with the probes on the primary side disconnected.  I view this as a mistake because there is already such a small amount of power flowing through the transformer that the probes, even though they are high impedance, still have the capacity to disturb the low power throughput of the device.   So even if you have to use a multimeter on the load resistor, I would do it like that and leave the probes always connected on the primary side.  This gives you a better chance of having a "level playing field" when comparing power-in and power-out.
But the probe references are connected together at the scope chassis, usually. This will cause a connection between the input and output coils that may complicate matters. I think. The only scopes I have ever used that had isolated probe references were the Fluke 123/199 ScopeMeter series. And of course, active differential voltage probes have both leads isolated but I don't think anyone here is using a diff probe.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 31, 2015, 05:43:07 AM
Conrad, TK:

Quote
Analysis at 50 Hz (10 V peak to peak sine wave or AC from the Function Generator):

V1eff = 2.3 V , I1eff = V1eff / R1 = 2.3 / 100 = 23 mA , V2eff = 2.3 V, ϴ= 3°

Watt1 = V2eff * I1eff = 53 mW

Watt2 = V1eff * I1eff = 53 mW

Watt3 = (V2eff - V1eff) * I1eff * cos(ϴ) = ~ 0  mW  (coil H1 has no inductance at 50 Hz, 23 mA, needs more Ampere, output from H2 + H3 through R2 is ~ 0 mW, measurement not shown)


Analysis at 1000 Hz (10 V peak to peak sine wave or AC from the Function Generator):

V1eff = 1.5 V , I1eff = V1eff / R1 = 1.5 / 100 = 15 mA , V2eff = 3 V, ϴ= 53°

Watt1 = V2eff * I1eff = 45 mW

Watt2 = V1eff * I1eff = 22,5 mW

Watt3 = (V2eff - V1eff) * I1eff * cos(ϴ) = 1.5 * 15 * 0.6 = 13,5 mW (output from H2 + H3 through R2 is ~1.4 mW, measurement not shown)

My take on these measurements is one more time based on the fact that the the power going into the load is much less then the power burned in the resistive wires in the transformer, the hysteresis in the core, etc.

At higher frequencies the transformer primary is looking mostly like a reactance (much larger than at 50 Hz) and producing the phase shift.  The "load" is still so tiny that the 90 degree phase shift due to the primary reactance predominates over the "zero phase shift" of the load.  I am not going to crunch the numbers but I will assume for the sake of argument that the power burnt off in the resistance of the primary coil is also larger than the power transferred into the load.

There is a big clue indicating that the inductive reactance of the the primary H1 coil predominates.  The input power is going down as the frequency increases.  That would make sense if you look at the primary just as the wire resistance in series with the primary inductance and forget about the load for a second.

So, in summary, I think in principle that your measurements are good.  Don't be surprised if someone corrects me through.  The problem is that so little power is going into the load, that what you are mostly measuring are the impedance properties of the transformer itself.  My assumption is that if you did have more power going into the load, perhaps not too much more power in the relative scheme of things, then quite quickly the resistive impedance of the load would predominate and then the voltage and current going into H1 would be very close to zero degrees out of phase.

Like I said when commenting on Itsu's power measurements, forgetting all the mumbo-jumbo talk, this design acts to block power going into the load resistor.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Magluvin on January 31, 2015, 05:58:22 AM
Mags:

Might that be because high frequency sound waves from the tweeter are directional, and mid range and bass are not?

(Learned that in my acoustics physics class in college)

Bill

Well the sound shouldnt be always directional other than the front of the speaker box, out towards the open area where the listeners/crowd are. Like if there were a live band playing with no power, just signin and instruments. The audience should not experience lack of high freq because there shouldnt be any directional audio coming from the band. Most all the people in the audience should hear the band fairly equally, no matter where they are in the crowd, other than loudness due to distance.  With speakers, most sound much better if the listener is on axis with the driver. But in general, those ideals are for the purist. One listener. One room. one sweet spot to sit in.  But for casual listening or with crowds, horns disperse the sound nicely.

Mags
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 31, 2015, 06:10:03 AM
Well the sound shouldnt be always directional other than the front of the speaker box, out towards the open area where the listeners/crowd are. Like if there were a live band playing with no power, just signin and instruments. The audience should not experience lack of high freq because there shouldnt be any directional audio coming from the band. Most all the people in the audience should hear the band fairly equally, no matter where they are in the crowd, other than loudness due to distance.  With speakers, most sound much better if the listener is on axis with the driver. But in general, those ideals are for the purist. One listener. One room. one sweet spot to sit in.  But for casual listening or with crowds, horns disperse the sound nicely.

Mags

I do not disagree.  I played drums in a touring rock and roll band for 3 years.  But, this is also why I hate "live' albums as the sound always sucks.  In a really crowded venue, folks could hear my symbols but not the base drum.  Our sound guy was pretty good, but, you can only do so much.  I wonder if all freqs. of sound travel at the speed of sound?  (has anyone checked?)  Do highs travel a little faster and that is why they are directional?

I have no idea.

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 31, 2015, 06:13:45 AM
But the probe references are connected together at the scope chassis, usually. This will cause a connection between the input and output coils that may complicate matters. I think. The only scopes I have ever used that had isolated probe references were the Fluke 123/199 ScopeMeter series. And of course, active differential voltage probes have both leads isolated but I don't think anyone here is using a diff probe.

I am not sure I follow you because I see scope grounds connected to the function generator ground.  The bucking coil secondary is fully isolated.  So how can you get a connection between the input and output coils?   Note that I suggested to leave the probes in place.  Then use a battery-powered hand-held digital multimeter to measure the RMS voltage across the load resistor.  I was not specific and did not state "battery-powered hand-held digital multimeter" so I apologize if that caused any confusion.

I have a question for you.  I confess I have always been foggy on ground loops.  Is the function generator ground connected to the "third prong" ground or is it connected to the AC neutral line?  Same question for the scope, "third prong" or AC neutral line?   If you look at the OUR thread, Verpies said this to Itsu:

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The Owon is still grounded through the mains neutral wire.
If you want to have a truly ungrounded scope then you must use a 1:1 mains isolation transformer.

That kind of "shocked" me.  I thought everything was grounded via the third prong.   It also suggests a nightmare.   What if your house wiring is old and you don't have polarized wall sockets.  You use those "third prong bypass" thingies.  Then one piece of equipment could in theory be grounded to the AC neutral and another piece of equipment be grounded to the AC hot.  Even if you have modern wiring it still would be possible to encounter that situation.  You know how a few electric guitar players have been electrocuted...

My real question, going back to Conrad's setup.  The function generator ground and the scope grounds are tied to one point.  I am going to assume that's a "third prong" tie point.   So you have the scope with it's own power cable snaking a ground wire to the electrical socket ground.  And you have the function generator with it's own power cable snaking a ground to another electrical socket.  Doesn't that set up a ground loop right there?  Can't that generate hum?

I have a related question, like I said I am foggy on this.  Inside the scope and the function generator, is there a tie point that connects the AC neutral to the third-prong ground?  I am so bloody confused with this stuff.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 31, 2015, 06:17:14 AM
Here's a picture of a "Bucking Coil" tripole just like the glued magnets produce. Maybe there's some "Scaler Potential" emenating from them? One of the testers might try the "Xenon Bulb" test on the coils?
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 31, 2015, 06:25:52 AM
Here's a picture of a "Bucking Coil" tripole just like the glued magnets produce. Maybe there's some "Scaler Potential" emenating from them? One of the testers maight try the "Zenón Bulb" test on the coils?

Damn.  That looks like the figure 8 that Tinman has been talking about in another topic area.

Bill
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 31, 2015, 06:35:22 AM
That's what Chris is calling the "Bloch Wall"!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 31, 2015, 06:40:29 AM
Conrad, TK:

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I found, that at 4.3 MHz there is a maximum output of 3.1 mW


Input analysis at 4.3 MHz Hz (10 V peak to peak sine wave or AC from the Function Generator):

V1eff = 0.9 V , I1eff = V1eff / R1 = 0.9 / 100 = 9 mA , V2eff = 0.9 V, ϴ= 0°

Watt1 = V2eff * I1eff = 8.1 mW

Watt2 = V1eff * I1eff = 8.1 mW

Watt3 = (V2eff - V1eff) * I1eff * cos(ϴ) is ~0 mW (output from H2 + H3 through R2 is ~3.1 mW, measurement not shown)

See the circuit diagram at http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg435839/#msg435839 (http://overunity.com/15395/partnered-output-coils-free-energy/msg435839/#msg435839)

There is not inductance at this frequency, it seems to be a 4.3 MHz radio wave transmission from coil H1 to the coils H2 + H3. The core is only rated up to 25 kHz, therefore 4.3 MHz can not excite it.

You have discovered OU!

I view this one as a measurement challenge.  For starters, you most likely have to measure all of your AC voltages to three digits of precision, if possible.  The frequency is high so any automatic RMS measurements might be unreliable.  No problem, just take 1/2 of the peak-to-peak voltage and multiply by 0.7071.  The assumption is that you can indeed make a peak-to-peak voltage measurement with your scope at that frequency.  You make the measurements as close as possible to where they are driving the primary coil, etc.  Nor would I trust the "numbers in boxes" here either.  You can turn up the vertical gain of your scope and play with the offset and count vertical divisions.  Or for all I know you have a fancy digital multimeter that can easily make a voltage measurement at 4 MHz.  Likewise for your load resistance, you measure the actual value of the load resistor with your best multimeter to as many digits of precision as possible.

The other thing to do I mentioned before.  Place you scope probe across the H1 primary coil itself, turn up the vertical gain, and measure the voltage like that.  If you can make similar precision measurements on the current and phase shift, then you are making progress.

Using better precision and some wits you should be able to measure the input power.  You already have a huge clue to help you.  You know that there is 3.1 mW going into the load resistor.  The frequency is 4.3 MHz.  Therefore you can compute how much energy per cycle is going into the the load resistor.  I see miliwatts/MHz so that means the energy per cycle is on the order of nanojoules.  Can you actually see nanojoules of energy going into the H1 input coil when you look at a single cycle of the voltage and current waveforms?  I am not sure if your instruments can show you that.  But like I said, you know _exactly_ how many nanojoules per cycle and that should be a big help.

There are some "pro big guns" around here that can give you the real advice on this.  I seriously doubt that it has anything to do with radio wave transmission.  I am just an amateur speculating.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: synchro1 on January 31, 2015, 06:52:51 AM
My question is; Might it be posible to spin "Balance Magnets" at 7.83 hz like Jerry Bayles does with his "Chiral Disks" from the "A" vector magnet wave that dosen't curl but projects outward toward infinity from the "Joint" between the "Bucking Coils"? Standing wave resonance between the coils and the Shumann cavity is easy enough to understand.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 31, 2015, 07:05:46 AM
I am not sure I follow you because I see scope grounds connected to the function generator ground.  The bucking coil secondary is fully isolated.  So how can you get a connection between the input and output coils?   Note that I suggested to leave the probes in place.  Then use a battery-powered hand-held digital multimeter to measure the RMS voltage across the load resistor.  I was not specific and did not state "battery-powered hand-held digital multimeter" so I apologize if that caused any confusion.
If you are scoping across the output coils, that is, across the load resistor, or across an inline current viewing resistor, your probe is connected to one output wire and the reference is connected to the other one. That is, the reference is no longer connected to the same place as the FG "ground" on the input side. Right? So if the FG is not fully isolated, as most aren't, you have a groundloop right there already, connecting the input to the output through the probe reference and the instrument grounds.
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I have a question for you.  I confess I have always been foggy on ground loops.  Is the function generator ground connected to the "third prong" ground or is it connected to the AC neutral line?  Same question for the scope, "third prong" or AC neutral line?

To the third prong ground line. It should _not_ be connected to the AC neutral inside the FG or scope! Should there be a wiring fault in the house wiring this would cause instant disaster when you plug the  instrument in if it was connected that way, I think. NONE of my instruments are connected that way, as I have just confirmed with a continuity checker and by crawling around in the dust looking for all the line cords! (HP180a scope, Tek 2213a scope, Philips counter, F43 function generator, Link pc-DSO with its dedicated IBM 600e laptop). The Link's probe references are connected back through the parallel port ground to the laptop's chassis ground, but the laptop PS is isolated and that connection doesn't make it to any of the three prongs of the power supply line cord.

You have to be careful about the FG "ground" or BNC shield connection though. SOME FG's, like my F43, have BNC jacks that are indeed isolated from the instrument's chassis and the instrument can be "isolated" by a rear or front panel switch, so that the shield "grounds" aren't grounded but are fully isolated. The chassis itself is permanently connected to the third pin of the line cord but the circuit board "ground" and BNC shields are connected to this through the isolation switch. Of course as soon as you use a BNC patch cord to connect the instrument to a non-isolated scope or frequency counter, this overrides the isolation switch disconnect and re-grounds the instrument's BNC shields. This is one reason why I do not refer to Function Generator shield leads as "grounds" or "negative", rather I call the outputs "Black" (shield) and "Red" (inner wire) , since the shields may or may not be grounded and either output wire could be positive or negative, depending on the waveform and offset setting.

Quote
  If you look at the OUR thread, Verpies said this to Itsu:

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The Owon is still grounded through the mains neutral wire.
If you want to have a truly ungrounded scope then you must use a 1:1 mains isolation transformer.


That kind of "shocked" me.  I thought everything was grounded via the third prong.   It also suggests a nightmare.   What if your house wiring is old and you don't have polarized wall sockets.  You use those "third prong bypass" thingies.  Then one piece of equipment could in theory be grounded to the AC neutral and another piece of equipment be grounded to the AC hot.  Even if you have modern wiring it still would be possible to encounter that situation.  You know how a few electric guitar players have been electrocuted...
Exactly! Surely this Owon's BNC shields must be checked with a continuity tester for continuity to the third pin or the other pins of the line cord plug. Or perhaps Verpies means something other than what we are talking about....
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My real question, going back to Conrad's setup.  The function generator ground and the scope grounds are tied to one point.  I am going to assume that's a "third prong" tie point.   So you have the scope with it's own power cable snaking a ground wire to the electrical socket ground.  And you have the function generator with it's own power cable snaking a ground to another electrical socket.  Doesn't that set up a ground loop right there?  Can't that generate hum?
Yes, and yes. Not the kind of groundloop I'm worried about, exactly, which is created when the scope probe references and the FG "black" are connected to different points in the circuit under test.
I avoid the kind of groundloop you mean here by connecting all my instruments through a power strip to the same outlet.
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I have a related question, like I said I am foggy on this.  Inside the scope and the function generator, is there a tie point that connects the AC neutral to the third-prong ground? 
NO, not on any instrument that I know about. Certainly not on _any_ of mine, from the old Tek RM503 onward. The third prong is connected to the _chassis_ which of course is connected (usually) to the BNC shields and hence to the probe references, unless one has an isolatable FG like my F43 or a fully isolated scope like the Fluke ScopeMeters. In which case the "neutral" still is NOT connected to the chassis and/or the probe BNC shields.
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I am so bloody confused with this stuff.

MileHigh

No, I don't think you are, unless I am confused too, which is always a possibility. Verpies is right that to insure full isolation you need an isolation transformer, but NOT because the probe references and instrument chassis is connected to line "neutral" !! They aren't! If they are, as you have pointed out this can be _very dangerous_ both to the instrument and to whatever you are scoping, as well as to your life!
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 31, 2015, 07:07:48 AM
That's what Chris is calling the "Bloch Wall"!
For once we agree. And that is the closest thing to a "Bloch wall" that anybody will actually get, where two alike poles are in close proximity.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 31, 2015, 07:12:37 AM
The tripole link:  http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/tripole.htm

There is a lot of mumbo jumbo talk on that page.  I marked up his sketch.  Indeed, it's just a clockwise coil facing a counter-clockwise coil.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 31, 2015, 07:21:38 AM
I have come up with a transformer winding arrangement that, based on the measurements anyway, is measuring as an efficiency greater than 100%.
The power levels are so small that measurement error tolerances are probably fairly significant here however.
I will need to come up with a higher voltage sine wave generator driver to test at higher power levels.

I am not claiming that the transformer really is over unity, but I am pretty sure that the measurements are about as best as
could be done, given the low signal levels and the equipment I have available. Maybe some measurement improvements can be made.
I am attaching a circuit layout diagram with arrows drawn on it showing where I connected in the scope probes.
The arrow heads show where the scope probe connections were made.
I have a two channel scope, so I made the input voltage and current measurements first, and then moved the two
scope probes over and measured the output voltage and current. No noticeable change in LED brightness occurred when I moved the two scope probes over to the output.
I used the data sample logging feature of my DSO to save the waveform sample data to USB, (20,480 samples per waveform) and then used
a spreadsheet to calculate the instantaneous power for each voltage and current data set, and then took the average of the calculated
instantaneous power values to get the average power.
Channel 1 = Yellow = Voltage waveforms (set to x10)
Channel 2 = Blue = Current waveforms. (set to x1)
Current is measured across a 1 ohm, 2W carbon film current sensing resistor, 5% tolerance (all I have available right now).

Transformer is just a ferrite toroid with my special winding arrangement on it. I am not using bucking coils in this arrangement.
This is all I will say about the transformer windings for the time being at least. Just wanted to show that it is apparently possible to
wind a transformer in such a way that if all the phases and reactance and back EMF and what have you are balanced just right, it appears
you can get a current cancelling effect on the transformer primary winding, causing the input current to be quite small, while still
being able to deliver some measureable power to a load. Again, I am not claiming that this is over unity. I am just reporting the measurement
numbers as they came out, and how it appears the transformer may be working.  ;)

My load for this test was two back to back jumbo white LEDs. I haven't tried with just a pure resistive load yet,
so I am not sure if that will give the same results. I may well have to do retuning to try to get the same sort of input
current cancelling effect on the primary, and I am not sure yet if I will be able to do it with a different load. I may
have just got lucky with the LEDs, or maybe the LEDs play a role in being able to get this sort of result. Not sure yet... :)
Anyway, just wanted to show an example of some of the interesting effects you can get when playing around with different
types of transformer winding arrangements. I will need to try this same sort of test at higher power levels to see if I can
get this same sort of effect at higher power, or if this effect was just some oddity due to having very small signal levels. :)

Input power calculated as: 199.3uW
Output power calculated as: 1.231 mW
Efficiency = 1.231mW / 199.3uW = 6.177 --> 617.7%  (Again, yes I know the signal levels are too small to be able to draw any conclusions)
These are just what the measurements showed. No claims are implied or being made beyond reporting the numbers.  :D
Rude or nasty replies will be ignored.  8)

All the best...
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 31, 2015, 07:42:14 AM
@Void:
Nice work. I'd like to know if the data dumps to the spreadsheet look any different if you use the same vertical scale on CH1 for both input and output measurements.

Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 31, 2015, 07:50:29 AM
TK:

Thanks for your long reply, it was very informative.  I just want to zero in on the point below and make a comment or two:

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I have a related question, like I said I am foggy on this.  Inside the scope and the function generator, is there a tie point that connects the AC neutral to the third-prong ground?

NO, not on any instrument that I know about. Certainly not on _any_ of mine, from the old Tek RM503 onward. The third prong is connected to the _chassis_ which of course is connected (usually) to the BNC shields and hence to the probe references, unless one has an isolatable FG like my F43 or a fully isolated scope like the Fluke ScopeMeters. In which case the "neutral" still is NOT connected to the chassis and/or the probe BNC shields.

Okay so that would imply that _some_ of the electronics inside a standard analog scope have to be running off of an isolation transformer, no?

The logic is this:   The scope probes are grounded to the third prong.  Therefore the input amps inside the scope have to be able to "understand" a potential difference between the third-prong ground and the signal lead.  The input amps need power also.  That power must be referenced to the third-prong ground.  Ergo, there must be an isolation transformer inside the scope to convert <neutral - hot> AC power into <third-prong - internal-power> to power the input amps and other things.

Think about a standard analog scope.  The signal input amps and the vertical amp that deflects the electron beam have to have a common voltage reference, which would be the third-prong ground.  So I am assuming that a full analog scope that ostensibly is not isolated, has to have at least one smalish isolation transformer in it so that some of the guts can operate relative to the third-prong ground reference.

I am assuming (I stopped looking at schematics years ago) that it is somewhat simpler for digital scopes these days.  Only the on-board A/D converters need to function relative to the third-prong ground reference.  Hence, a very small isolation transformer is needed.   To bridge the communications between the precision A/D and the display frame buffer, they probably use an optical interconnect.  So the main guts of a digital scope are powered from <neutral - hot> and the acquisition data link is optical.

I am just assUming

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 31, 2015, 08:07:44 AM
Hi Void. You say U got COP >6? That's candidade for self runner ;)
Why to bother with measurements? My opinion is - there is no right measurement. Any connected device will interfer with the cuircuit especially when working with HF. Only SOLID prove of OU is to loop it. ;)
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MarkE on January 31, 2015, 08:23:32 AM
I have come up with a transformer winding arrangement that, based on the measurements anyway, is measuring as an efficiency greater than 100%.
The power levels are so small that measurement error tolerances are probably fairly significant here however.
I will need to come up with a higher voltage sine wave generator driver to test at higher power levels.

I am not claiming that the transformer really is over unity, but I am pretty sure that the measurements are about as best as
could be done, given the low signal levels and the equipment I have available. Maybe some measurement improvements can be made.
I am attaching a circuit layout diagram with arrows drawn on it showing where I connected in the scope probes.
The arrow heads show where the scope probe connections were made.
I have a two channel scope, so I made the input voltage and current measurements first, and then moved the two
scope probes over and measured the output voltage and current. No noticeable change in LED brightness occurred when I moved the two scope probes over to the output.
I used the data sample logging feature of my DSO to save the waveform sample data to USB, (20,480 samples per waveform) and then used
a spreadsheet to calculate the instantaneous power for each voltage and current data set, and then took the average of the calculated
instantaneous power values to get the average power.
Channel 1 = Yellow = Voltage waveforms (set to x10)
Channel 2 = Blue = Current waveforms. (set to x1)
Current is measured across a 1 ohm, 2W carbon film current sensing resistor, 5% tolerance (all I have available right now).

Transformer is just a ferrite toroid with my special winding arrangement on it. I am not using bucking coils in this arrangement.
This is all I will say about the transformer windings for the time being at least. Just wanted to show that it is apparently possible to
wind a transformer in such a way that if all the phases and reactance and back EMF and what have you are balanced just right, it appears
you can get a current cancelling effect on the transformer primary winding, causing the input current to be quite small, while still
being able to deliver some measureable power to a load. Again, I am not claiming that this is over unity. I am just reporting the measurement
numbers as they came out, and how it appears the transformer may be working.  ;)

My load for this test was two back to back jumbo white LEDs. I haven't tried with just a pure resistive load yet,
so I am not sure if that will give the same results. I may well have to do retuning to try to get the same sort of input
current cancelling effect on the primary, and I am not sure yet if I will be able to do it with a different load. I may
have just got lucky with the LEDs, or maybe the LEDs play a role in being able to get this sort of result. Not sure yet... :)
Anyway, just wanted to show an example of some of the interesting effects you can get when playing around with different
types of transformer winding arrangements. I will need to try this same sort of test at higher power levels to see if I can
get this same sort of effect at higher power, or if this effect was just some oddity due to having very small signal levels. :)

Input power calculated as: 199.3uW
Output power calculated as: 1.231 mW
Efficiency = 1.231mW / 199.3uW = 6.177 --> 617.7%  (Again, yes I know the signal levels are too small to be able to draw any conclusions)
These are just what the measurements showed. No claims are implied or being made beyond reporting the numbers.  :D
Rude or nasty replies will be ignored.  8)

All the best...
Did you calibrate/compensate your CSR gains versus frequency?  A little inductance in a CSR can make for very screwed up measurements.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 31, 2015, 08:27:26 AM
Void:

Very good first step and nice description and schematic, etc.  So far you are doing a great job of documenting yourself.

I have no direct experience with DSOs and I don't know if you are taking a USB model or a stand-alone DSO.  Nonetheless, let me share a few thoughts with you.  I was going to discuss stitching a perfect integer number of waveform samples together to get accurate average values or simply using the long-term averaging function to get accurate computed average power values but I see something jumping out at me.

It looks like something is amiss with the (presumably) blue input current waveform.  You are driving LEDs, so at the peaks of the input voltage waveform you should see a lot of current, and that is not the case on your capture.  I suggest that you double-check that.

Also, your frequency is rather high.  That can induce phase shifts that just might be different from the "real" phase shift so you have to be careful about that.  In theory, you should get the effect over a wide range of frequencies.  If you don't, that's another thing to ponder.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: John.K1 on January 31, 2015, 08:35:35 AM
Thinking about that Kunels generator. He says that shielding coil should have the same number of turns and cross sectional area. Why? What that coil else does? Is there just only for shealding? It would be possibly better than to spin between some sandviched disc(Al+Fe shets) with slots in it. Some question- what is really going on in this device? Something is missing there On his picture.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 31, 2015, 09:06:50 AM
TK:

Thanks for your long reply, it was very informative.  I just want to zero in on the point below and make a comment or two:

Okay so that would imply that _some_ of the electronics inside a standard analog scope have to be running off of an isolation transformer, no?

The logic is this:   The scope probes are grounded to the third prong.  Therefore the input amps inside the scope have to be able to "understand" a potential difference between the third-prong ground and the signal lead.  The input amps need power also.  That power must be referenced to the third-prong ground.  Ergo, there must be an isolation transformer inside the scope to convert <neutral - hot> AC power into <third-prong - internal-power> to power the input amps and other things.

Think about a standard analog scope.  The signal input amps and the vertical amp that deflects the electron beam have to have a common voltage reference, which would be the third-prong ground.  So I am assuming that a full analog scope that ostensibly is not isolated, has to have at least one smalish isolation transformer in it so that some of the guts can operate relative to the third-prong ground reference.


Here's the portion of the Tek 2213a/2215 schematic that shows the power input, below. Note the "note"! The big transformer that is off the page to the right does the isolation function that you are talking about, if I am understanding your meaning. Note the FWB that makes DC, and the white triangle arrowheads which indicate a circuit "ground" or common that is different from the chassis ground.

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I am assuming (I stopped looking at schematics years ago) that it is somewhat simpler for digital scopes these days.  Only the on-board A/D converters need to function relative to the third-prong ground reference.  Hence, a very small isolation transformer is needed.   To bridge the communications between the precision A/D and the display frame buffer, they probably use an optical interconnect.  So the main guts of a digital scope are powered from <neutral - hot> and the acquisition data link is optical.

I am just assUming

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: TinselKoala on January 31, 2015, 09:18:45 AM
I've just tried my testbed with LED load. What a truly _nonlinear_ set of responses that gives! Far too many weirdnesses to list quickly, in both bucking and aiding modes. I'll have to shoot a video, probably tomorrow.  But remember that I'm using this op-amp based bipolar driver. Sometimes I think I'm seeing that the op-amp starts oscillating and that is causing some of the weirdness. It sure makes the LEDs glow, both polarities, when that happens.
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 31, 2015, 11:47:03 AM
Sorry, duplicate post (deleted). Conrad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: conradelektro on January 31, 2015, 12:08:16 PM
@MileHigh:

Thank you very much for your explanations and for your advice. It really helps me to do better measurements. It is kind of you to take so much time for this.

The first thing I will do is the "reality check". I will check with the primary and each of the "partnered coils" (while the other "partnered coil" is left open). That should be interesting.

Then I have to go to higher power (1 or 2 Watt input) in order to better see what is going on. As you say, at the 40 mW level (at the input) I am in a difficult area because the transformer properties are dominant.

The 4.3 MHz situation is way beyond my level of expertise, I will leave it for the moment. The core is rated for up to 25 KHz, the 4.3 MHz are clearly not right for this core.

I measured the impedance of the windings with nothing else connected besides the LCR meter, even the "partnered coils" were not connected in series yet. The core was tightly in place (both halves secured with the steel clips):

primary: 23 mH to 25 mH depending on frequency (100 Hz, 1 kHz, 10 kHz)

secondary ("partnered coil") underneath the primary: ~ 240 mH (slight variations depending on frequency)

secondary ("partnered coil") on the side: ~220 mH (slight variations depending on frequency)

There might be a slight difference in the windings of the two "partnered coils", but the difference in impedance could be due to the fact that one has the primary wound over it?

One thinks, that measuring "input" and "output" is quickly and easily done. But as we see, it gets quite involved and needs a lot of knowledge and experience. No wonder, we never see good measurements. For most people it is beyond their capabilities (as one sees in my case, I barely manage) and a good scope is the bare minimum. A function generator might help but brings in more difficulties.


@MileHigh and TinselKoala:

The "GND connection issue" is very involved. At least I know now, that I have to be careful. I was not clearly aware of the problem with the "GND of the mains", the instrument housing and the "GND of the instrument probes or output".

The situation with my Function Generator and my Scope (I just checked again):

All probe and signal GNDs are connected together and with the "mains GND"! The housing is plastic (this is propably the reason why everything is referenced to "mains GND"). In other words, there is only one GND, and it is "mains GND" (which of course is in every mains socket in my house).

So, that means, "signal GND", "TIGGER GND" and "SYNC GND" of the Function generator are connected with "probe GNDs" and "TRIGGER GND" (even test 1 kHz GND) of the Scope via the "mains GND" (since both have to be plugged into a wall socked in order to have electricity). Well, battery operated instruments would be better. The function Generator could be insulated with a separation transformer (but this creates a "frequency issue", a transformer has a limited frequency range, surely not from 10 µHz to 20 MHz). One never stops to learn important things.

There is good news from my laboratory power supply: The Minus Pole of both DC outlets is not connected to "mains GND" and the two "Minus Poles" are also not connected to each other. But there is a "mains GND" socket at the front panel if one needs a connection to "mains GND". The housing is metal and is connected to "mains GND". The front panel with all the sockets, knobs and a little display  is plastic.


Thanks again for the discussion, I definitely learned a lot (and I hope that OU-inventors and OU-replicators take more care with their measurements in the future, they could also learn a lot in this thread).

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: MileHigh on January 31, 2015, 03:06:28 PM
Thanks Conrad for your comments.  I can't respond right now, but I am going to leverage your positive and appreciative comments to do some unpleasant "dirty work."

Synchro1 - this is a call out to you:

Contrast Conrad's comments with your junk comments about me from this thread:

<<<
You're completely full of shit about practically everything!
You're betraying yourself as condescending and obnoxious to everyone on the forum and it's entire membership trivializing us as insignificant. You're that perversely sadistic to practically everyone. You act as though no one can compare to you. All your comments are over padded with conceited drivel. That's why everyone hates your guts.
You're a nut case from hell!
>>>

I am really fed up by your constant harassment and abuse.  This has been taking place off and on for more than a year.

Everyone, please look at this short YouTube clip from Synchro1:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwMwhdJE_Vg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwMwhdJE_Vg)

Listen to his voice, look at his hand, look at his body movements.  Between those three clues I make him to be a man between 45 and 55 years old.

So the question is:  Why is a 50-year-old grown man acting like a psycho on this forum?

It's time for you to stop.  I am issuing a public challenge to you:

I challenge you to post here and state that you will stop harassing and abusing me.

Just make the posting saying that you are going to stop, and that will be the end of it and we can all move on.

If you ignore this posting and continue to harass and abuse me then I will do the following:

1.  When you get abusive I will say nothing except for posting the two "Syncho1 shaming and humiliation links" in response.
2.  I am asking people of good will to email Stefan asking him to kick Synchro1 off of this forum if he continues.  If enough people do this then perhaps that will stop his unacceptable behaviour.

To everyone, I am sorry to even have to make this posting but I am fed up.  I am simply totally fed up and Synchro1's behaviour is totally unacceptable, and it's doubly totally unacceptable because he is a 50-year-old grown man.

It's time for this nonsense to stop.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
Post by: Void on January 31, 2015, 05:51:25 PM
TK, I can try your suggestion when I get the chance, but the waveforms looked to be as expected
when changing to different vertical deflection settings.

John.k1, the effect is very tiny at this point. Will need to see if I can increase the effect in any way first.
So far just a little oddity, and the effect itself is not the most stable. The waveforms looked somewhat different when
I checked again early this morning, but I haven't had time to try more measurements. Don't have a lot of time
for more tests this weekend, but will continue to test when I have time.

Milehigh, the connections were all good. I have alre