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### Author Topic: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy  (Read 3233843 times)

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #225 on: January 24, 2015, 02:02:48 AM »
Suppose someone presents to you a scopeshot like the one below, with no other information, and claims that it shows a voltage and a current trace from some unspecified device. No, not even which trace is which is included in the presentation. No circuitry, no probe connection points, no value of a current viewing resistor, if any, and even much less information than is displayed on my shot below. You don't even know if one trace represents an input and the other an output. It's clear from the scopeshot though, that a trace multiplication of the displayed traces would produce an entirely _negative_ power trace, if the traces are taken as indicating current and voltage, since at every time sample a negative number is being multiplied by a positive number, yielding a negative number as a result.  Do you accept this as evidence that all power is being sent back to the source? With only the scopeshot itself as "evidence" ?  Say the person who presented the original shot tells you that V and I are "in phase" when clearly they are not. What do you conclude?

(Just so you know: this scopeshot was produced using _only_ a signal generator, no external circuitry _at all_. So you already know more about it than is known about the originally presented trace.)

#### poynt99

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #226 on: January 24, 2015, 02:12:35 AM »
What do you conclude?
That I need to have a few more beer (or hoots on my pipe) so I too can appreciate the wisdom and significance of those claims.

#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #227 on: January 24, 2015, 03:03:54 AM »
Hey Cris
two weeks before, I made a setup similar to the one posted by SkyWatcher123
and yes, with similar results.
The issue is I do not have precision instruments, so cannot make accurate measurements.
Nevertheless,  there is no change at input with or without load, which is amazing !

Encouraged, I am setting another setup and will try to send it via ordinary mail, to any expert from this forum residing in Europe, (preferably in Spain)

Attached a pic of the mentioned setup, and a schematic of the next one.
cheers
Alvaro

@Alvaro

Very Nice Work!

Some advice - Loose the CFL and go with NON Inductive Resistors. Makes life so much easier!

Very nice though - How easy is it to get some results?

For the moment, don't worry about Measurements! Just learn the device, what it likes and doesn't like.

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #228 on: January 24, 2015, 03:06:15 AM »
Suppose someone presents to you a scopeshot like the one below, with no other information, and claims that it shows a voltage and a current trace from some unspecified device. No, not even which trace is which is included in the presentation. No circuitry, no probe connection points, no value of a current viewing resistor, if any, and even much less information than is displayed on my shot below. You don't even know if one trace represents an input and the other an output. It's clear from the scopeshot though, that a trace multiplication of the displayed traces would produce an entirely _negative_ power trace, if the traces are taken as indicating current and voltage, since at every time sample a negative number is being multiplied by a positive number, yielding a negative number as a result.  Do you accept this as evidence that all power is being sent back to the source? With only the scopeshot itself as "evidence" ?  Say the person who presented the original shot tells you that V and I are "in phase" when clearly they are not. What do you conclude?

(Just so you know: this scopeshot was produced using _only_ a signal generator, no external circuitry _at all_. So you already know more about it than is known about the originally presented trace.)

Your are not welcome nor wanted!

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
To Reach New Horizons!

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #229 on: January 24, 2015, 03:47:41 AM »
Ordinary 1.2V PNP Joule Thief draws LESS current, or nearly the same, when 24 LED load is CONNECTED, and draws MORE current when load is DISCONNECTED:

Now I can haz cheezburger?

Quote from: ALVARO_CS
Nevertheless,  there is no change at input with or without load, which is amazing !

Yes, amazing ... except when I do it. Then it's just something you can ignore or insult me about.

#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #230 on: January 24, 2015, 03:53:02 AM »
Ordinary 1.2V PNP Joule Thief draws LESS current, or nearly the same, when 24 LED load is CONNECTED, and draws MORE current when load is DISCONNECTED:

Now I can haz cheezburger?

@TinselKoala

Your are not welcome nor wanted!

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
To Reach New Horizons!

#### TinselKoala

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #231 on: January 24, 2015, 03:56:41 AM »
@TinselKoala

Your are not welcome nor wanted!

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
To Reach New Horizons!

Scared? Just because I am showing that your "results" are ordinary and your "measurements" are bogus and you don't know how to use or interpret an oscilloscope? Awww.... you're hurting my feelings now.

YOU CANNOT REFUTE ME, so you are trying to run me off. Brilliant strategy!

#### Cap-Z-ro

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #232 on: January 24, 2015, 03:56:42 AM »

Hey ! I resemble that remark *lights doobie*...this is an insult to the Ambassador !!

That, along with tthe recently done doobie just may possibly lead to more references to Alfred Webre's stolen hair.

Regards...

#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #233 on: January 24, 2015, 04:15:23 AM »
Scared? Just because I am showing that your "results" are ordinary and your "measurements" are bogus and you don't know how to use or interpret an oscilloscope? Awww.... you're hurting my feelings now.

YOU CANNOT REFUTE ME, so you are trying to run me off. Brilliant strategy!

@TinselKoala,

I wish with all my heart that you could succeed at building and testing this project properly!

I know in my heart that you can not! You already have your mind made up! How could you possibly succeed?

A brilliant Mind once said: "Women would learn how to work with energy faster than men because they are more sensitive."

Sensitive to What exactly? I know, I am not a woman but I do know that unless you change your mindset you will never succeed!

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
To Reach New Horizons!

#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #234 on: January 24, 2015, 05:23:24 AM »
Hey ! I resemble that remark *lights doobie*...this is an insult to the Ambassador !!

That, along with tthe recently done doobie just may possibly lead to more references to Alfred Webre's stolen hair.

Regards...

Sorry Cap-Z-ro , not meant for you!

Peace, let the smoke rise up!!!

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
To Reach New Horizons!

#### Cap-Z-ro

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #235 on: January 24, 2015, 06:13:00 AM »
Sorry Cap-Z-ro , not meant for you!

Peace, let the smoke rise up!!!

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
To Reach New Horizons!

Alls swell on the western front Chris.

Just a little self deprecating humor, masking a penchant for the crime of Alfred Webre's hair being stolen...likely at an alternative energy trade show by one of the venders, who made off in a strangely silent scooter.

Nooz @ Elebben

Regards...

#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #236 on: January 24, 2015, 06:17:07 AM »
Alls swell on the western front Chris.

Just a little self deprecating humor, masking a penchant for the crime of Alfred Webre's hair being stolen...likely at an alternative energy trade show by one of the venders, who made off in a strangely silent scooter.

Nooz @ Elebben

Regards...

Hahaha you did warn us! Good humour!

Back at you!

@ALL - Please vote in the pole if you have not already!

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
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#### wistiti

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #237 on: January 24, 2015, 06:21:28 AM »

So, the point of me posting this, is that we need to Maximise the Magnetic Field Interactions! Get the highest Magnetic Fields in the device that are possible.

Hope this helps!

So if i understand correctly you mean more turn in the trigger coil and more turn in the partner coil. Or put and higher voltage to the trigger coil...?

#### EMJunkie

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #238 on: January 24, 2015, 06:35:37 AM »
Hey Wistiti,

So if i understand correctly you mean more turn in the trigger coil and more turn in the partner coil. Or put and higher voltage to the trigger coil...?

Its a little bit of a balancing act! Make sure you have enough turns to get the Magnetic Field up!

The Magnetic Field is calculated by: B=μI*n/l

B = Magnetic Field
μ = Permeability
I = Current
n = number of turns
l = Length of the coil

So one must make sure that the Magnetic Field is enough to start the process going! No, or not enough Magnetic Field, very little or no effect! Same it true if the Magnetic Field is choked off!

Stick to the turns suggested in prior posts. All should be ok with them.

Kind Regards

Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
To Reach New Horizons!

#### wistiti

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##### Re: Partnered Output Coils - Free Energy
« Reply #239 on: January 24, 2015, 06:48:53 AM »
hi all!
my result until now. (with what i have on hand...)

Tv yoke split in 2 part as the core.The 2 peices of the core have a gap of around 2mm with electric tape and paper. Buckink coil wound on each part of the core 400 turns 30awg each coil. Primary (or trigger coil) 2 strand twisted litz like wire 50 turns over one secondary coil. The primary (or trigger coil) is trigger with a joule thief like circuit. I have a 50k resistor to the base of a 2n3055 transistor for adjusting the frequency.

My result clearly depend on the frequency... at some point, when the output is shorted, the amp draw on the input goes higher. But when i tune it to is best, the input went to 400ma no load to 293 shorted! there is definitely something there...