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If that device would work also as Air core  I would say- I do understand. But, because it is not working for me, it means there must be some gap in my understanding.
Back to my Air core bucked coil tube. Thinking about it now, it is like two Tesla coils facing against each other and connected together at the bottoms and at the top. Sure winding is in opposite way.  My HV probe doesn't show HV on neither end of the bucked coil, just in the middle(strongest electric field). And my LED probe (small coil with LED) has highest intensity at the bottom and top (strongest magnetic field) and especially inside of the tube. The  continuos flow of current in the bucket coil has large impact on the intensity of my LED probe. When closed loop (shorted with resisitive load) the intensity of light (magnetic field)is High.  So my understanding of the fields structure around the device  from the bottom is   Amps - HV - Amps?

Hey John.K1,

Yes:

Amps - HV - Amps

is one way to describe a Valve!

Also by definition, Bucking Coils are a Valve!

Another Quote:

"A signal (energy) is transmitted from point A to point B. A and B are separated by a finite distance. Consider three periods of time:
 1) The signal is launched from A.
 2) The signal resides in the space between A and B.
 3) The signal arrives at B.

Now we know that for real space to exist between two points a signal travelling between them will propagate at a finite velocity C, (C = 1/√ue)"

If we were to take a Magnetic Field, Uniform, Two Magnets in attraction Mode, the Flux has a Point A and a Point B!

To Valve this "Signal" means:

"Energy current does have an aspect ratio. If the aspect ratio is forced to change, some of the flowing energy will reflect in order to assure that its total aspect ratio remains constant. Crudely, the aspect ratio is similar to the ratio of E to H, or the same as the ratio of E to u (√e/u ). The aspect ratio of energy current is much like the aspect ratio of space. While the aspect ratio of space can change, it fundamental velocity C = 1/√ue cannot really change. This parameter becomes merely our way of conceptualizing time delay when energy resides in a region of space."

You guys following me?

So here we see Magnetic Gating that has a Time Delay of a particular region of space.

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

EDIT: It is really important to get the devices working First! Then once working, make small improvements! Play with the devices, see what they Like and Don't Like

Hi Conrad,

If I may suggest, for your first device, just aim to get working. I am sure you are already, but keeping expectations at a reasonable level, not to high, will yield a better result over all. I know, because I am guilty of this most of the time!

Remember, we must Start at the Start to get to the finish line.

Do these E Cores have a gap on the centre leg? Some do and some don't.

What you've got looks good!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

The two halves of the E core have no gap at the centre leg, please see the attached photo.

Do not worry, I start at the start. And if I do measurements it would not prove or disprove anything, because your specifications leave room for very many variations which I possibly can not test all.

Whatever I do, I do because I like tinkering with strange devices. I am no expert, whatever I will say has no significance. You can expect (but it takes time) a short video on my YouTube channel https://www.youtube.com/user/conradelektro/videos reporting what I built and measured. After I while I will loose interest, like with all other projects I did in the past.

Greetings, Conrad

@ALL,

About Frequency's, a small experiment:

1: Fuse your input just to be safe first!
2: Slowly drop your running frequency down...
3: Hold in your hand, a small magnet, close to your device.
4: Keep dropping your Frequency until you can Feel the Magnet Jump around.
5: Check all around your device with the Magnet

I found this good to get a feel for what's going on. And, yes easy for the sceptics to go to town here, but it did help me.

Also, on a side Note: Start thinking about the potentials of the Partnered Output Coils! Think about each Coil being a Bucket, How much Water can it hold...

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

P.S: You should hear a Chattering of your device. Aim for around 25 - 40 Hz to do this experiment.

P.P.S: This Experiment is fairly important, so please don't pass it by! Please Run the Experiment and report your Results! 

 Great,


 I am glad you had the time to go over my post.


 Yes Tesla went the excessive rounds when doing his experiments. But it doesn't have to be that way, up to a point. You need to establish an electric field that will go the distance between each coil and unfortunately the electric field is bound to the magnetic field so a core will be needed. Tesla liked to shield his transformer much like Lasersaber is doing with his Tesla torch, that way he could pump in the very high voltage inside of the shielded box and not have to worry about needing a core.


 In fact people have been picking out little things from Tesla's work and using that one thing to get some very interesting results but what if we replicated all of his discoveries from that system.


 You are starting down the very path Tesla set before us. Continue as I am starting to rejuvenate my own exploration of this area.


 Tesla did some very interesting experiments with this purified dynamic electric field and found out it has some very interesting results when different metals are exposed to the field. Aluminum exploded when put inside of a heavy coil that was excited by this disruptive discharge system. The lower the frequency the more dangerous it became to the human condition. Tesla warned to keep it above 2k cycles to keep it safe to us humans.


 Speaking of which, Check out the Chicago worlds fair report. His demonstration will enlighten you to what he was doing.


 In that report you will hear about him passing this electric field through his body and aiming it at a copper mass on a table. The copper mass turned cherry red with no damage to his person. Quite an interesting tale and witnessed by many thousands of people. In fact he asked people from the audience to join him on the stage and they did the experiment passing the field through them and into the copper as well with no damage to their person.
 The cherry red effect was the copper building huge currents and having no where to go it just accumulated and heated the mass up. I'll see if I can find the report... I think it was in one of the books written about Tesla..


 Understand the importance of this above. The field created heavy current in the copper mass. Was it more than what it took to generate the dynamic field??? With his disruptive discharge circuit it most probably was more. Until I restart my investigations I will have to wait to answer that. But I think many others have already gone down that road only to get sniped by the measurement police before they had a chance to work it out fully. Don't let these guys get to you. They are heavily invested in their way of doing things, they don't want people actually doing the discovery again.


 JBignes5

@JBignes5,

Yes Sir, Nikola Tesla was an absolute Genius! Way before his time.

Yes, the Magnetic Field is a wondrous thing! Illusive and mysterious! We think we know a lot about it but it still holds many secrets!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

Jeg,

This may work, but check the turn direction on one of the coils! Best to have one reversed to the other! From what I can see, both coils are wound in the same direction!

Take the Blue input Coil off and wind a 40 turn 32 or similar awg coil as shown:

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

Thanks Emjunkie
I'd like to ask you if by adding more turns at the partner coils side, the output voltage goes higher? Do you think it is a good practice to insulate every layer of the partner coils by some tape so to avoid inter-turn arcing?

And something else for everyone. Is it the right time to consider again this circuit shown at the video? Alexander meissner...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDUpYnA2AY0

Hey Jeg,

I'd like to ask you if by adding more turns at the partner coils side, the output voltage goes higher? Do you think it is a good practice to insulate every layer of the partner coils by some tape so to avoid inter-turn arcing?

Yes this can be helpful sometimes! It does depend on how many turns you already have though! What's the wire gauge you currently have on your Partnered Output Coils?

No, not needed to insulate every layer, not for what we are doing! If this is a problem then too many turns or bad quality wire may be the issue. Try to aim for Voltage output of about 2 times the input, just a little higher than input to start with then later on we can improve!

And something else for everyone. Is it the right time to consider again this circuit shown at the video? Alexander meissner...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDUpYnA2AY0

Yes Good Video!

EDIT: Jeg, use a Power Amplifier: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/180W-180W-2CH-12V-Small-Stereo-High-Power-Amplifier-for-CD-MP3-Car-Audio-Home-/400586923881?pt=AU_Electronics_Audio_Amplifiers&hash=item5d44d75f69

Drive it with a Function Generator, cheap Square/Sine Generator

The Circuit in the video is ok, but it will limit your overall ability to test and learn your device.

My rule is, don't rule anything out!

Please, I really cant stress enough, start simple! Keep it simple and learn as much as you can first!

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

Hi Jeg

It is a new concept for me and i have many questions to be answered through experimentation. One question for example is if this effect can be reversed.

Yes Understand, takes a bit of understanding!

1: Each Coil has its own Magnetic Field
2: When Magnetic Cancels, the Electric can add (Not always!)
3: When Electric Cancels, Magnetic can add (Not always!)

Experiment is as you say the key! That's why I have tried to come at this the way I have. Start at the Start and we will get to the finish!

I guess you could view this as reversed...

I mean if by the same rule we can cancel EM fields and turn our Voltage output to a current source again driving inductive loads..

Current and Voltage are the Electro Motive Force, normally EMF.

Both follow with the EMF, but might be out of phase depending on the load. 

Please see last post I edited it last minute.

Kind Regards

   Chris Sykes - hyiq.org
   To Reach New Horizons!

This clip was mentioned on another thread and it's worthwhile to post it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoqF3gjLIyI

Many of the issues mentioned in this clip apply to what is going on in this thread also.  Probably the biggest issue related to this specific thread is that in this thread there is a claim of more power out than power in coupled with an active discouragement of actually making power out and power in measurements.  That is simply self-defeating logic that makes no sense.

Moving on, just another comment about what is transpiring in this thread.  The claim is based on driving the transformer with an AC waveform and making measurements on the AC power in and the AC power out.  However, you have several people showing Joule Thief/blocking oscillator type designs.  The two circuits are completely different, so what's the point?  In a blocking oscillator type of design, you drive the primary with some kind of pulse waveform.  When the drive signal is ON, you are energizing the primary inductance of the transformer so that it stores energy.  When the drive signal is OFF, then the the primary drive circuitry is completely decoupled from the transformer.  When that happens, you have all of this energy in the transformer that has to go somewhere, and the only place for it to go is via the secondary.  Under these conditions, you can put essentially ANY load resistor on the secondary and the secondary will discharge through that load.  In other words, with a blocking oscillator type design, the concept of a 3:1 turns ratio does not even apply any more.  The output is of a variable voltage that depends on the load resistance exclusively, and has nothing to do with the turns ration.  Also, the output is essentially decoupled from the input so it is perfectly normal and expected that there will be no change in the input power when you chance the load on the output.

So you guys have to decide, is this thread just another free-for-all that goes nowhere, or do you actually try to replicate the circuit and make measurements on it?

All of these postings were you say things like, "I added a load and the input power went down so we are going in the right direction" are claims that we have all been reading on this forum for years and years by now for all sorts of different setups and circuits.  This is nothing new.  If you don't even attempt to figure out why that is happening then it is meaningless.  There is always a logical reason why.   One thing for certain is that "going in the right direction" does not mean that you are going to magically pass the COP 1 barrier and make it past that point.

Try to replicate faithfully and making power in and power out measurements all the time is what you really should be doing if you are serious.

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