Hi Walter,
well I studied all the videos of the Magdrive yeasterday and indeed they claim with their installation of their SuperGen inside their F-150 car, that they can now drive this with just water ! Although they don?t recommend it, cause the rust will make the engine go bad after a while..!

Well,it looks from their videos that they really get now 1 Gallon of Hydroxy per minute from just 12 Volts * 15 Amps, that is just 180 Watts input only, that is a very good gas output for under 200 Watts of input !

 Couple of thoughts on the volume per minute. 1 Gallon is about 3.8 litters. 3.785 to be more exact

As an example, let?s take a 1 Litter (1000 cc) displacement internal combustion 4 stroke engine idling at 1000 rpm.

The air-fuel volume intake per cycle is 250 ccs or ? of Litter. At 1000 rpm (1000 cycles per minute) it requires
1000 x .25 = 250 Litters per minute or about 66 Gallons of volume air-fuel mixture, ofc assuming atmospheric pressure and no supercharger or turbo involved (it would need even more volume then)

To have the 1000 cc engine run at 1000 rpm, would a mixture of 1 part volume H HO and 65 parts AIR do the job without any other hydrocarbon additives? Maybe it is. Does anyone know what type of reaction takes place in these ratios of  1 part H HO  and  65 parts AIR (21% O2 ? 78% N2 approx)? and what are the byproducts of such reaction?
Any combustion engineers in the forum please chime in.

Maybe it?s a new type of reaction largely unexplored and/or the heat generated (would require an exothermic reaction) is so high that the air pressure at that high temp within the chamber?s volume produces the power during the power cycle of the engine.

On a side note,
H-HO by it self at 1 Gallon per min without any air added doesn?t seem to be enough to satisfy the volume intake requirements.
If I recall from the basics, H HO stoichiometricaly is not exploding per se but actually implodes back to liquid water. However; it does create an almost perfect vacuum in the process and if I also recall correctly the reaction is endothermic (absorbs heat from the environment to recombine the gasses back to the liquid form.)

Just a couple of thoughts...

From the videos it seems it?s working on pure water, and that is all it would really matter at the end.!

Hi stefan,
if they would garanty that the unit can power for instance a 10 horsepower generator engine I would order the super mini what they say is for compact cars.
But I still got some problemes from my experience, it is a singele cell unit connectet to the 12V batterie but they claim the unit only works on 1.5V big question mark, the second part is they use similar to my horizontal plate assembly and my tests did show the temperature rises on 12 V above 100 degree F or maybe they mean 100degree C what is pretty high. on the open unit vid what I have seen on bubbles is nothing just springles. My open cells shows big bubbles about 3/4 inch. The next portion is like you allready pointet out without a bubbler is realy dangerous just in the engine compartement from the engine there are temperature of about 160 degree then add about 100 degree and a steel container which heats up too, I dont know.
For the vacuum I have tested a few versions including the engine suctionbut with a bubbler and all of them have failed probably do to the bubbler in the moment if the suction of the engine pulls it stops the gas flow thats my main probleme with this. Maybe it has to do with the orifi what they use, I did try it but it did not work different.
I will try it out with direct drive without a bubbler lets see.
greetings
walt

That is correct, we can run the vehicle's engine on the Super-Gen, we didn't demonstrate or state we were driving it around town but the S-G was capable of running the engine soley on HHO. When you view our videos you are seeing the HHO in the blue water dye test coming directly from the HHO generator being created without any demand and free flowing into the dyed water. It produces pretty good for our standards but when put under 17 -22" of Vac you ought to see it then. Under static conditions you are seeing better than a gallon per/min at appx 3 psi, we say a gallon but its better than 2 but thats no big deal when compared to 22" of VAC. At 22" VAC that HHO comes out like it was coming from a high preasure hose. Using the configuration that we use, both the venturi [duel] tubes in front of the throttle body and the direct injection by vacumn into the intake manifold directly the SG will produce all that the engine calls for. Also at higher speeds the exothermic temps rise to over 200*F and the amperage does increase due to cell activity during demand. Never once in our history have we had a blow back or mishap of back fire. Surprisingly the gas/liquid check valves are of excellent quality and have never failed yet!!! The exhaust actually doesn't have any odor at all and the emissions are at the lowest level on record that the testing facility had ever seen for a 16 year old truck and technology w/178,000 miles, so we must be doing something right. Also to fill you in, the operating temp of the engine does go down appx 3-5 *F when running on the HHO/Fuel mix [hybrid] because the conversion during cumbustion converting the HHO back to h2o and then into super heated steam, it gets the heat from the surrounding cumbustion chamber. So in essence, we start with h2o, we split it into HHO then we combine it with fuel/air and combust it. It then converts back to h2o, then its super heated to high temp steam and is pushed out thru the exhaust where it condenses back into h2o. So we start with h2o and end up with h2o using appx 1.75 quarts per/400 miles. Hope this helps with your investigation.
Soon we will be introducing the Micro-Mini for Jet water craft and Atvs including motorcycles up to 750cc. They will operate on appx 3-4 amps/12vlts DC. Enough to make a 40 mpg vehicle get upwards of 55 miles per/gal. Remember its not how much you can produce, its what and how you distribute the HHO efficiently to get the most out of it, no different than the petrol you are trying to stretch for milage.
Best Regards,
MagDrive

Stephen,

   It sounds like you may have had contact with this company. Alternators under heavy load only draw typically 10 hp. The normally asked questions don't answer any of mine. Would industrial chrome plating .002 thick be sufficient to protect the engine for complete conversion? Does the electrolyte contain or exhaust anything harmful into the enviroment? I realise water does not but there is not pure water in the chamber.

Hi-

 What about aluminum heads? They don't rust. Stainless steel valves, piston sleeves, rings and pistons along with stainless steel exhaust and away you go! free of rust problems forever. Somebody mentioned somewhere about  ceramic coating the parts too. I'd rather pay for the engine upgrade than pay for stinky,polluting ,arab oil thanks very much.
 Hey I was wondering if anybody was able to contact Magdrive via email? I tried their listed email a couple of times but it just bounces back.

Best,

Well it is the way to go, it's more work than it looks like at a glance. You have to tear down a long block and protect it. It's not the hydrogen's processes fault present engine materials aren't up to it. Industrial chrome is hard and has strong bonding characteristics and I was wondering if it would do the job. The engine temperature being cooler will not be high enough to evaperate moisture left in the engine. Gas isn't a waterless fuel either and leaves moisture and when the engine cools it sucks in moist air because of contraction. The heads on unleaded engines have stainless seats and valves. just mask off the valve area and the heads sealing surface, spray engine paint not to thickly on the combustion area and bake it on. The block and pistons need to be plated though, the block can be plated with stainless but I don't think the pistons can be. Chrome is tuffer and bonds better so I was asking?
remember you run water for coolent through the heads. I was under the impressing aluminium reacts and gets brittle in Hydrogen enviroments?

Hi Stephan,
where did you get the gallon per minute. i agee they are using 180 watts but at best all i can see by the rate of bubbles is about 1 litre a minute. Go have a look at the gorrilla cell video which is only producing 2 to 3 litres per minute.
I do believe their product will improve efficency of engines but no way could you power a vehicle on this cell entirly. You need at least 10 fold that to run it at idle.
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