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Author Topic: Magdrive HHO Generators  (Read 124627 times)

IronHead

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #90 on: February 27, 2007, 11:14:56 PM »
Great to here from you and good luck on the project.

One thing I must point out. The Break booster is really just a reserve canister that holds vacuum to be used when engine is under accelerated or heavy load. Its vacuum is no higher than where it gets its vacuum from, the manifold. When the manifold vacuum drops do to load ,the booster check valve closes to maintain its vacuum. The highest vacuum is at the throttle body when vehicle is loaded or accelerated. The vacuum is only higher at the intake manifold "Plenum" when at idle.
This is why we use two lines with check valves. The highest value of the 2 will take over and vacuum out that line and what ever is attached to it.

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #91 on: February 28, 2007, 09:49:18 PM »
Hi everyone, Back too the brake booster. Where the brake booster gets its' vacuum is not the higheset source of vacuum, but the most constant source of vacuum. And for those who have cars with boosters the booster is a place to tape into at the manifold, but make sure the system stays sealed or you will lose your brake assistance of the booster. Now when I spoke of the hose that should be use(.625) I was talking about the delivery lines @0.625 or 5/8" minimum, and I gave a site to go to and buy some.

Hypowerfuel.com told me they have pushed the date of the video back too March 9, 2007, and says they are sorry for having to do so :'(. Their are making sure that they dot all the i's and cross all the t's so-to-speak.

Again anyone new to the readings go back too page 4 and read on.  8)

Make sure you do your homework and read what Ironhead and I have said and the information that we put out. I know now the way to do run an engine on water and it is so simple. In my post on this website I have shown clearly how to lower the energy of activation of the breakdown of water with pure science. And gave a very good explaination of how a "JOE CELL" works in the use of charged water. If everyone reading this information doesn't get off of using gasoline then he world is lost. For we are going to run out of oil, and the fight over the last cans of it will be a war that no one wants to be in. Do your part and help the earth's ability to maintain us. For when we finally do die off the earth will still be here even if we turn it into a second sun. So save some money and help the earth, the path has been laid out for you. Now it's up to you to do your part in this Hydrogen Revolution. Take care everyone and God Bless :)
« Last Edit: March 27, 2007, 10:30:30 PM by h20power »

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #92 on: March 01, 2007, 07:50:00 AM »
How about this?
If this 2H2O2 implodes then why not put a venturi device in your exhaust pipe to suck the exhaust out? use a spin chamber near the end of the exhaust pipe to act as a soft check valve, ignite hydroxy with spark plug just as exhaust valve opens.
Suction on exhaust is the same as a pressure on the intake.
Equal but opposite.
and no water/timing problems in the engine
« Last Edit: March 01, 2007, 03:22:20 PM by allcanadian »

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #93 on: March 01, 2007, 02:16:32 PM »
Hi allcanadian

I don't understand the question, but I know the answer !!!

Dave

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #94 on: March 01, 2007, 03:22:07 PM »
I think I was drunk when I wrote that! No it was 4:00 in the morning same thing.

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« Reply #95 on: March 01, 2007, 04:28:51 PM »
 ;D Know what ya mean allcanadian. I've been known to tilt a few myself  ;)

I couldn't help but smile when I read your post  :)  I think that if (we) nope, just you,had continued with this project you would have ended up with about 8 connecting rods that looked like horseshoes  ;D.  And thats the not the worse part.
I just can't bring myself to dawning a fire suit (like they do in nascar) every time I crawl in my truck.  :(
Nope. I think (we), no, you were on the verge of creating a Hi-way Hindenburg!!  ;D

Well back to the fridge for another Hamm's as well as back to the drawing board.  ::)

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #96 on: March 01, 2007, 05:27:54 PM »
Forgot to mention, allcanadian, that all the parts and pieces could be recycled  ;D

That is, If you can find them  ::)

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #97 on: March 02, 2007, 07:23:48 AM »
Hey idnick and anyone else.

I have not built a hydroxy generator yet but am going to very soon, honestly has anyone had actual experience with this and seen an actual implosion? I mean tested it
A few sites said it reaches a certain pressure once ignited then implodes and releasing static charge, is this real? am I wasting my time?

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« Reply #98 on: March 02, 2007, 01:46:59 PM »
Hi allcanadian

Yes I have built a generator 4 or 5 years ago and ran it off a battery charger. Biggest problem is the power supply. I ripped a couple of articles off the net for ya.
Sounds like the fellow in first article might have the answer. I don't belong to the group but it might be worth checking out if you are looking for a circuit.

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Started by steven - Last post by steven 
 :)heres a more simpler to make faster power supply for getting faster hydroxy gas output. before i shock yous i was given this little messy looking pototype  flyback driver which allso has a bottle capacitor some time ago  all i had to do was make the small tesla coil which its ment to power, but i never had the matierial for the coil so i threw it in my projects draw, soon after that i decided to  salvage the  irfp460 trannys from it which was used in place of the originals trannys which was in the circiut allso found on the net , so i decided to try it on my hydroxy gas generator but it dident go so i made a small modification now it goes faster than my other power supply dose , i ran a wire from the inductor which was originally ment to go to the flyback transformer , to the  positive output and it worked great and made gas faster than my other one ,  and even though its ment to run off a car battery which i reckon youll get better reactions ,i ran it from one of my small 12 volts lead acid cell batteries and i left the top off my hydroxy gas generator and it went so fast i though it was gona over flow with the water in it and bubles and mist , i posted this circiut some time back in the high voltage stuff section so it should still be there


"Does Brown's Gas implode ?"


Among the "wonderful" properties of "Brown's Gas" is that when ignited it doesn't explode, it implodes. That is, the reaction product has a smaller volume than the initial gas mixture. Is this true? Is it remarkable? The answers to these two questions are "Not exactly" and "No." Brown's Gas is that you get if you electrolyze water and keep the resulting hydrogen and oxygen mixed together. Let me make two important comments at this point. One is that it would be extremely hazardous to store any large quantity of Brown's Gas, either at atmospheric pressure or in compressed form. A spark, or the presence of any material which catalyzes the hydrogen/oxygen reaction, will cause a devastating explosion. The second comment is that all the energy which comes from burning Brown's Gas was put into it by the electrical energy used to electrolyze the water. In a loose sense, since Brown's Gas could be used as fuel for an engine and, since Brown's Gas is made from water, one could say that one was running a car on water. However, the power driving the car is coming entirely from the electrical input, not from the water. A car "driven" by Brown's Gas would either have to carry a large tank of compressed gas (see my point one) or drag a long power cord behind it. If you had electrical power available you would be much, much better off driving the car with an electric motor than fooling around with a gas generator and a gas powered motor.
   So does Brown's Gas explode? Yes, of course it does. As it happens, in my foolhardy youth I once filled a polyethylene bag with a mixture of hydrogen and oxygen and lit it from a safe distance. It exploded very satisfactorily and made a very loud boom. Many of NASA's rockets, including the Space Shuttle, burn hydrogen and oxygen. If Brown's Gas always imploded, the rockets would be sucked into the ground.

What you may have seen, and I have seen, is some Brown's Gas being put into a cylinder and then being ignited. The piston in the cylinder is sucked in with a thump. However, if the piston was free to move outwards it would fly across the room. Brown's Gas would be great in spud guns. When ignited, Brown's Gas explodes, that is it burns rapidly, generating hot, high pressure gas, in this case, water vapor. Because it is inside a long, narrow, room temperature cylinder the water vapor rapidly condenses into liquid water, heating the cylinder as it does so. Since the water has much less volume than the hot vapor the pressure inside the cylinder drops suddenly, pulling in the piston. The cylinder heats up in the process, the heat energy from the burning Brown's Gas has to go somewhere. If the experiment were to be repeated, for example in a continuously operating engine, the cylinder would get hotter and hotter and eventually the internal pressure would blow it apart. So the answers are: Does Brown's Gas implode? No, Brown's Gas explodes like any other combustible gas mixture. Is this remarkable? No, except that in this case the combustion product, water, readily condenses to a liquid.

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #99 on: March 02, 2007, 03:11:36 PM »
thanks for the info idnick
I found some pretty good web sites by searching Browns Gas Generator.
I think there are so many bizarre effects that I just have to build one of these things. Here is something i don't get--yet

electricity + water = HHO
HHO + ignition =  electricity + water  Or

HHO + ignition = suction + electricity + water
HHO + air + ignition= hot expansion + electricity + water

supposedly you can pull a perfect vacuum and recover 70% of the electrical charge you initially put into the gas. Or you can mix the gas with air and burn it against a piece of iron and get heat + electricity + water.
So if this is true you could produce a cooling effect (suction ) or a heating effect(pressure) and still get 70% ot the electricity back, as static charge I imagine.

As well it is said on most web sites that the gas burns at different temperatures with different metals and remediates radioactivity.
When I read this It becomes apparent that the gas reacts on the atomic level. Converting atomic mass to heat, I think my first test will be burning aluminum then tungsten in a bomb calorimeter, and measure the heat rise, then measure the mass of what left the sample.

This could be interesting, it's all fun until it blows up in my face.




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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #100 on: March 03, 2007, 12:13:36 AM »

As well it is said on most web sites that the gas burns at different temperatures with different metals and remediates radioactivity.
When I read this It becomes apparent that the gas reacts on the atomic level. Converting atomic mass to heat,


I have a theory about this.  If you check out Naudin's site under MAHG, monatomic hydrogen, you will see that he has experimented with greater than 10 X COP.

http://jlnlabs.imars.com/mahg/index.htm

I think that is what we are seeing with this particular type of electrolysis of water.  Probably this is a reaction on the atomic level.

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #101 on: March 03, 2007, 02:03:26 AM »
Looks much different than the one i built.. i can see a few days in the machine shop in my future. Im going to collect all drawings from this thread and plan a build. do you guys have any more plans/ Pics to share??

                                                                Thanks ,, Moab

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« Reply #102 on: March 03, 2007, 03:36:16 AM »
The following was made by a poster on this thread page 9 bottom.
"if your vehicle has a brake vacuum booster, that is the place where the vacuum is the best on your vehicle, for it was engineered that way, for safety reasons."
That quote was for connecting the HHO output to the intake manifold or where to tie in for superior vacuum.
ABSOLUTELY NOT, NEVER, DON'T, WRONG, BIG PROBLEMS ETC.
Never connect it there, HHO when released expands and being 2 parts hydrogen it reacts differently than regular air under vacuum. Your brakes will actually fail from the HHO being allowed to enter the brake booster chamber not even considering the explosive problems if a backfire was to happen and traveled to the brake booster chamber. Once you release that brake pedal there is a very strong tendency for the HHO to migrate into the power brake booster.
The safest way is to connect directly to the intake manifold, or if you must tee into another vacuum line place a liquid/flashback check valve into the connection tee to protect the other item that is connected with the HHO intake hose or tube with flashback protection.
You must, and I repeat "MUST"  provide any and all protection to any other vacuum items that use the intake vacuum of an engine when introducing HHO through a common connection.
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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #103 on: March 03, 2007, 08:26:00 PM »
I find this in another forum:

only copied ( is not my own work !!)
Pese

Hi Guys

Here is my first attempt at a series plate electrolyzer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdyaNmRtUto

I am using about 2 liters of straight tap water with 10 grams of
Sodium Hydroxide.

I have read it in Eagle Research's Hyzor Teck handbook that series
plate electrolyzers are much more efficient than parallel plate
electrolyzers.

So I built one to see the difference.

My current prototype is definitely more efficient than the previous
parallel plate prototype.

I have observed these advantages after 12 hours of running;

? No sludge build up.
? Takes 3 times longer to heat up.
? Less power wasted for heat production.
? No overheating to boiling temperatures.
? Almost no steam production.
? Consequently much lower water usage. (~0.15L/h)
? Higher gas production per Wattage. (more efficient)
? Easier construction.
? No need to interconnect alternating plates.

It seams that the series cell electrolyzer is a much better approach
to HydrOxy generation.

Thanks for your attention.

Has anyone installed one of these in a car and had significant
mileage improvements?

Cheers!
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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #104 on: March 03, 2007, 09:50:41 PM »
Hey pese

The production is good for the size of this cell.
Production is not as much as you would see from
a tungsten cell, 5 times higher maybe from a single
Negative 1/8" Tungsten welding rod and single Positive
1/8" Nitronic Stainless rod.

But for stainless its good. Now pulse it and see what happens.
As far as the temps go  , that is very good.
This must be made much larger to use in your car as a fuel enhancer.
Build a bigger one and run it. Maybe 4 times the plate size in the video.
Also if you run it in a car , hook it up the way I have shown on page 9.
This is also the way a Magdrive is hooked up.
Do not share lines with break booster, vacuum canister or accumulator.


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