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Offline ZeR888

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Magdrive HHO Generators
« on: September 12, 2006, 11:42:34 PM »
Hi,

My name is David, I'm from Belgium. I don't know anything about hydrogen bateries exept a litle part I have been able to understand from this website.
I found this forum when I was looking for information about the Magdrive HHO Generators ( http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/index.html ).
Is this another scam ? Should I order it?

Here is a video of the "working thing"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGYkxX6KwNE&mode=related&search=

Thank you for sharing your brains ^^

Best regards
David

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Magdrive HHO Generators
« on: September 12, 2006, 11:42:34 PM »

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2006, 10:50:52 AM »
I'm not an expert in H2O system, but you wanted advise then it is :  ;)

For making hydrogen, no system can put more power in hydrogen than the power needed to make it. Like to get 50 Watts of power hydrogen, you need 100 Watts (The best system if I remember is 80%)  :-[

Then I don't know for this system, but frequently they ask you to connect on the 12 Volts battery, Then I think you will understand my point of view. Really not a great reduction of power.  ::)

Secondo, personnally, I will not mount H2O system on a engin motor not suited for it ! Why, What you get after combustion with hydrogen ? Water and water = rust in long term, then less life for the engin and all part not made to work with water or vapor of water.  ::)

Alp
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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2006, 10:59:01 AM »
Hi Sergio,

Thank you for your reply.
From what i've been able to read there are no secondary bateries needed for the installation. It seems the batery is your standard batery installed in your car which is recharged by the standard dynamo installed in the car. They just recommend not to start the "hydrogen generator" if the car engine's not running.

Here I found another interesting website "claiming" to have 15-50% of oil reduction costs .
http://www.hydrogen-boost.com/

This one looks verry similar to the other one.

Best regards
David

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2006, 10:59:01 AM »
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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2006, 04:09:30 PM »
I'm not an expert in H2O system, but you wanted advise then it is :  ;)
For making hydrogen, no system can put more power in hydrogen than the power needed to make it. Like to get 50 Watts of power hydrogen, you need 100 Watts (The best system if I remember is 80%)  :-[
Sergio
This is hopelessly oversimplified. There are more variations of H2 than are taught
in schools. There is some very exotic work being discussed here:
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hydroxy/
Paul


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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2006, 05:19:00 PM »
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Offline hartiberlin

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2006, 05:30:40 PM »
Here is more on Denny Klein?s car:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa1meqFFjjM

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2006, 06:28:32 PM »
The 64 trillion dollar question still remains.

Can it produce more power per unit volume of H HO created, than the power  required to create the H HO unit volume?

A simple litmus test would be:

a. Hook up the Hydrogen generator gas out put to a e.g. portable electric generator ( like the small back up ones used for power outage at home 4 cycle piston gasoline powered)

b. Take the electric output from the electric generator and feed it to the Hydrogen generator.

c. If it produces enough H HO to run the piston engine and there is electric power left over then that's it!!!



In the car examples movies the piston engine drives the alternator that feed the car battery which feed the H HO generator who's gas output (H HO fuel) is plumbed into the engine gasoline/air intake.

Is there enough horsepower left (if any) to drive the car after the above loop's requirements are met?

If yes then that's it!!!

If not, an economic study needs to be performed for the usage of the system vs gasoline assuming there is an overall engine efficiency improvement. A customer will only be concerned about overall efficiency improvement without loss of normal power output.

Anyway it seems a lot of people are working in the right direction.

Thx for the links.

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2006, 10:18:42 PM »
You can have a look at their homepage
where all videos are linked to.
http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/index.html

They claim, that they can run a motor just by their
HHO gas, but they say, the motor then rusts too fast,
so it better to mix it with normal gasoline fuel.

It seems they can really produce more gas than is
needed from the alternator as electrical input, so they
have enough power left to run the motor and drive with it
and the alternator keeps on running the electrolysis via the
car battery.
As hydroxy is really much more explosive than gasoline,
it seems to have more power during combustion than gasoline-air
mixes, so there is more power coming from the engine this way.

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2006, 10:42:23 PM »
You can have a look at their homepage
where all videos are linked to.
http://www.fuelfromh2o.com/index.html

They claim, that they can run a motor just by their
HHO gas, but they say, the motor then rusts too fast,
so it better to mix it with normal gasoline fuel.

It seems they can really produce more gas than is
needed from the alternator as electrical input, so they
have enough power left to run the motor and drive with it
and the alternator keeps on running the electrolysis via the
car battery.
As hydroxy is really much more explosive than gasoline,
it seems to have more power during combustion than gasoline-air
mixes, so there is more power coming from the engine this way.
If they can run the car without any gasoline and the battery is still fully charged at the end of the trip, then they have done it! True power from water only.

In regards to rusting effects or possible hydrogen embritlment, maybe use of different materials for the combustion chamber walls, head, and valves would help, or possibly another type of engine all together?

Unless I missed it on that link, their system is an add on to be used along with gasoline with good fuel cost saving according to their tests. Do they have a 100% water powered car demonstrating extended drive and under normal driving conditions?

Stefan, Thx for the link(s).

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2006, 11:07:00 PM »
Yes, they have:

Watch this:

http://www.fuel-from-water.com/inside-super-gen-part2.html

Also they state it in their FAQ, that the biggest SuperGen
can run alone a car:

http://fuelfromh2o.com/cgi-bin/faqgen/faqgen.cgi

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2006, 11:18:40 PM »
Here they are running this car on only the Magdrive SuperGen from Water:

http://www.fuel-from-water.com/installed-super-gen.html

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2006, 11:31:34 PM »
Here they also stated it that they can run the engine solely on water:
http://www.magdrivehydro-gen.com/more-info.html

Also I like their business strategy, that they don?t sell it at too high prizes,
but at a price level anyone can afford !
;) Very nice !

Regards, Stefan.

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #12 on: September 15, 2006, 01:24:27 AM »
Here they also stated it that they can run the engine solely on water:
http://www.magdrivehydro-gen.com/more-info.html

Also I like their business strategy, that they don?t sell it at too high prizes,
but at a price level anyone can afford !
;) Very nice !

Regards, Stefan.
Ok! Got it, thanks. This is it then, except for the engine retrofits to withstand corrosion and/or H2 embritlement.
Very nice.
Maybe usage of a different type powerplant, eg turbine system or implosion engine would improve it even more.
Thx again.

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2006, 06:54:39 AM »
Here are the videos on google video:

http://video.google.de/videosearch?q=magdrive

Looks amazing, that they can drive from water alone !

Offline Walter Hofmann

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Re: Magdrive HHO Generators
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2006, 12:05:40 PM »
Hi stefan,
I dont think that they run the engine solely on hydroxy, at least it is nowhere mentioned.
maybe I am wrong but I looked over the whole describtions and could not find it.
If you found something please let me know.
greetings
walt

 

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