I never really intended to publish this  so I have not done proper  gas volume test.

I test gas output by how well the engine runs and how much vaporized gasoline needs to be added.
So I have no numbers for you on this. This is all trial and error type work.
Thickness between plates id 1/8 inch .
The cost is very very high but soon to be lowered as the silver will be replaced with
Nitronic Stainless steel a very low iron content  stainless.
The tungsten alloy was around 200 $ from a local machine shop where I live.

The cell has run the engine alone but not a high throttle  and not as stable as it should be so vaporized gasoline is added.
The gasoline is first filtered through a coconut carbon filter then passed through 4 x 2 inch neodymium magnets .
Also some timing adjustments.

Ironhead-

 Sounds like you have an interesting system there. I am hoping you are happy with your present fuel consumption then?
 I was curious - what does the coconut carbon filter do to your gasoline? or should I say - what is it that it is filterng out?
 I am betting that you aren't far off from soon running on a water-only based system.

Best Of Luck,
 

Hi, Anyone think ultrasonic generator might help the spliting of water? I asked MagDrive about oher maker claims its necessary to heat the fuel and incease tire pressure or it will not ahieve the result. MagDrive did not answer the question but just said "you decide...don't compare apple with orange..."

Quote from: h20power on February 13, 2007, 08:34:16 AM

I'm 39 years old, not a young pup, but your right on a lot of what you said . Yes, I have read the vacuum electrolysis but they where looking to get deuterium D2O, not hydrogen and oxygen for use. They created some black stuff not yet identified. I am going too add to Faradays work with my some of my new theories.

It's good to talk to someone like you, someone who can see the limitations of the books. My friends and I are plaining on changing the world one engine at a time, plus I will go out and start taking people off the grid soon. My dream is to see a day that no one ever dies because they could not afford to turn on their AC or heater, and that the world be a better place for all that live in it, plus this technology will free mankind to explore far off places like Mars and beyond.....

Greed is the one reason why oil is still being wasted, we are just burning it up. How to combat the greedy, when they are so willing to put people to their deaths just to keep the black gold flowing? If you can answer that one I'd be eternally grateful. I know I might be disappeared or killed if I keep this up, but I think it's worth dieing for. What do you think? I am prepared to leave the country at a moments notice. For mankind to advance we need this technology.

 I just want to do my part to help make a difference. Why take all this college just to sit on the knowledge is my thinking, after my time in the army losing some soldiers in this war on terror, I feel I owe it to them and too their families to get off of my butt and do something.

@h2O Power
I love reading your Words.
That worms me up and led me Hope.

Live can be so nice without politicians.

Helmut

HI All, Well if you look on page four(4) on this topic I put some numbers that can be used by anyone that wants to find out the effects of vacuum on electrolysis. I am working with four different theories trying to combine them for this will put you in overunity. The first is Valance electron theory, knowing that oxygen is paramagnetic we can use this to our advantage. The electrolysis unit must be have no magnetizim of it's own so try too use metals that are non-magnetic. The outer case should be postive and you bring the negetive of the engine too the electrolysis unit, make sure you isolate it so it doesn't ground out. This gives a path for the oxygen atoms to follow, just like a magnet they will go to the negetive that you brought over. If you look at my newest design you will see that the top cap is seperate from the rest, that is my negetive (page 5 or 6) The tubing used has steel inside that I was able to get too easly. Now the oxygen produced will go strait to the piston on it's own. Note the unit might have to been magnetically shielded. The Second theory is the phase diagram of water and it's relationship too electrolysis (vacuum theory) that's on page four(4) and was gone over very well. The Third theory is Myers voltage work theories, with his device voltage is set up in a way that it is doing the work and not the current of normal electrolysis go to waterforfuel.com for all of the information on his technology for they have advanced it some. And the fourth and last theory is the hydronium ion build up effect if the cell is set up to do the capacitor effect (charged water for short). When water builds up a charge it has been pushed out of it's normal equilibrium and the auto-ionozation of water has been push to new limits. You can test this for water that is charged will hold a voltage of 0.7-1.5volts on its own. (For safty it is not known if it can blow up like a capacitor can so take some precations.) Now since hydronium ions can not exist in waters vapor form when vapor is pulled off you get a some percentage of that vapor being hydrogen and oxygen gas. Hydronium ions will normally attach too 6-20 water molecules so for every 6-20 water molecules pulled off you will get two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom depending on how the hydronium ions attached to the water molecules.

I thought titainium was a good metal to use, I think I might be wrong on that one, I was doing some research on galvantic action and found out that titainium will get messes up by hydrogen and also why you should not use water that has flurine in it. The hydrogen will combine with the flurine to make HF and this pritty much puts a stop to the electrolysis process all you will end up getting is oxygen and hydrogenflurine gas. So, if your tap water or water source has flurine in it don't use it. It will make hydrogenflurine gas until all of the flurine has been used up. And anoter safty note, make sure to dump out the bottom of the tanks from time to time as it will build up D2O since water natrually has D2O in it at about .015% per every gallon of water. For D2O is harder to break down than water is so it will be left behind, easyest way to test for D2O is too freeze the water in question and put the resulting ice in water if it sinks it D2O. I hope everyone passes on this information and puts it to good use and know it is I, h20power, that made up two of these theories numbers two and four .

And a last note if you feel you have something to add then do so for this is uncharted area here lots more to be found out I'm for sure. Lots of luck everyone take care and God Bless .

 idnick

Couldn't find that website. How many amps does your system use? How much does the system cost?

 At 2.5 gallons per minute, do you mean it will produce around 10 lts gas/min ?

pg46

It's not my system. The website is
waterfuel1978@yahoogroups.com  They are talking massive amounts of gas in seconds not minutes.

Dave

Hi Hdydrogen Revolutionarys , To clarify when I said to use a bigger hose I ment the hoses being used are most of the time too small and that one should use a hose that is .625 inch in diameter or larger this is the place where I get the vacuum tubing with steel inside: http://www.sisweb.com/vacuum/sis/steelhos.htm the prices are not bad too. Now I am being told that my incoming emails are being blocked, seems someone has taken and interest in me, if I can find out who they are I will do the same in return . Remember what we are doing is converting engines to work on hydrogen and oxygen produced on demand. If all goes well I will start selling here where I live and others that I know will start selling in there states, remember the magdrive moto, "One car at a time." Also note we are not looking to fight others designs we are all looking to get the world free of oil wasting. For one day we will run out of oil, and it is needed to make high grade plastics and more, so we must stop just burning it up. Go to waterforfuel.com and do some reading on the reports they have found on hydrogen burning engines, it will save you a lot of waisted time and money if you read that report. Plus doing my studies I found that the 85% rule can be wrong as for we do not use just hydrogen alone, we keep the oxygen so we don't have to drag in massive amounts of air looking for it. For the air is mostly nitrogen and that can make some nitros gasses we don't want, but a simple water mist jet in the intake will take care of that. I have put out a lot of good information for the betterment of mankind. Do know that the guy in Austraila has the design for the future, he has out done us all. But his is for the automotive industry to use for a new head and head gasket has to be made, and that's not very practical for the millions of cars already on the road, that's where we come in, giving them a chance to run on water too , with add-ons. For now my focuse will be on the self ionization of water, the use of deferent metals, and trying to design the best type of electrolizer. Wait until I finish and test my latest design for the more I learn the better I can make the cells to match the breakdown carictoristic's of water. The newest cell should do very well going to use duplex stainless steel. Well take care all and keep up all the good work. God Bless just me h20power.......