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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 2022106 times)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1005 on: May 17, 2014, 02:53:16 PM »
LOL.  Now for our after dinner entertainment:  We are treated to the straw man in bigger bolder letters.

Where's your scientific argument?  LOL.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1006 on: May 17, 2014, 04:29:22 PM »
Well, now that some pent-up frustrations have been released where the "anti troll brigade" became trolls themselves, what's left?

Not much.  There are no legitimate scientific arguments that can explain how the QEG is supposed to allegedly work.  From what I can see so far, the QEG is doing exactly what it is supposed to do, and what it is expected to do - act like a very crappy generator.

James and Naime talked all about some sort of big collaborative effort, and in fact there is no observable collaborative effort at all.  The main QEG forum is like a ghost town on the dark side of the moon with respect to some kind of synergistic collaborative effort taking place about developing this alleged technology.  Plus it should not have to be developed at all, they claimed it was working.

So my prediction is that the whole project has already started to fade away.  You will never hear anything from Taiwan, even though it was made too look like a really big deal just a few weeks ago.  The Moroccan villagers will quickly forget about the visit by the QEGers and go back to normal life - no free energy water pump in sight.

It's already about to go "dark."  And no, that doesn't mean that it has been suppressed by the MIB/PTB.  What it means is a bunch of people went "crazy" and twisted dials and wound coils and chanted and nothing happened.  So they all went home.

The puppet masters are left with the booty in their dozen or more PayPal accounts.

Message to the people that have already gone home or are about to go home:  SPEAK UP!  Post about your experiences here or on other forums.  Tell us how you felt about spending thousands of dollars to travel abound the world believing that you were about to start a revolution in energy and ended up seeing nothing accomplished.   We want to hear your voices!  You have a duty to your fellow man to explain what your experiences were in order to prevent something like this happening in the future!  Just state the truth as you experienced it and let's discuss it.

We as a collective society have a responsibility to try to work together to make things better.  Exposing bad people like James and Naime is an example of a real way to contribute to fixing the world.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1007 on: May 17, 2014, 05:52:13 PM »
Grav,  real or fake is that the question or the sum?   We know for certain it does not work as of yet,  so I for one would like to find a solution to the non working part.  When one day we do find solution for OU there will be a solid understanding developed we will call it a science of course.  Then that science will be applied to many previously discarded devices and they will be perfected into COP > 1.   This device or a past or any it does not matter.  What matters is that we work together sparking each others thoughts and DOING with builds and simulations or whatever it takes to get us there.


In a way trolls provide some positive aspects of letting us know we are on the right track or near it.  It always encourages me to see them appear and the harder they bark the more I know we are getting closer to a working device. On thing is for certain, if COP > 1 exists everyday we work toward it, it is one day closer we are to discovering OU.


One thought I would like to have you all remember is that in many past (thought to be working) devices there were connections to either and earth sink and/or a air sink (meaning we collected or connected to a reservoir).  So where would we place an antenna in this circuit and/or ground?

IMO, OU is everywhere due to the expansion acceleration of mass.  I can show mass is not conserved with the mass-energy equation.  Then I can show energy isn't conserved due to the expansion acceleration of mass.  At the Large Electron-Positron Collider (LEP), which operated at the CERN laboratory near Geneva through the 1990s, electrons and positrons (anti electrons) were accelerated to velocities within about one part in a hundred billionth of the speed of light. Speeding around in opposite directions, the particles smashed into each other, producing a lot of debris. A typical collision might produce ten π mesons, a proton, and an anti-proton. Now let’s compare the total masses, before and after:

electron + positron: 2 × 10^–28 gram
10 pions + proton + anti-proton: 6 × 10^–24 gram

What comes out weighs about thirty thousand times as much as what went in. If mass is not conserved—and it’s not!, then we can seek its origin.

Question: If E = mc^2, then mass is proportional to energy. So if energy is conserved according to the mass-energy equation, doesn’t that mean that mass will be conserved, too?

Answer: The short answer is that E = mc^2 really applies only to isolated bodies at rest. It’s a pity that this equation, the equation of physics that is best known to the general public, is actually a little cheesy. In general, when you have moving bodies, or interacting bodies, energy and mass aren’t proportional. E = mc^2 simply doesn’t apply. E = mc^2 holds for isolated bodies at rest. For moving bodies, the correct mass-energy equation is given in the image below, where v is the velocity. For a body at rest (v = 0), this becomes E = mc^2. When a body, for example, a proton or an electron, is accelerated, v generally changes, but m stays the same. Therefore, the equation tells us, E changes. If energy is conserved according to the mass-energy equation, but mass is not, then what gives?

Conservation of energy applies to systems, not to individual bodies. The total energy of a system of bodies includes contributions from both energy of motion and “potential energy” terms that reflect the interactions among the bodies. The potential energy terms are given by other formulas, which depend on the distances between the bodies, their electric charges, and perhaps other things. It is only the total energy that is conserved according to the mass-energy equation.

An isolated body has a constant velocity. That’s Newton’s first law of motion, which, unlike his zeroth law, still appears to be valid. When a body is isolated, we can regard it as a system unto itself. So the energy of the body should be conserved and from the formula, it is. Conversely, when a body’s velocity changes, that very change is a signal that the body is not isolated. Some other body has to be acting on it to produce the change in velocity. The action of one body on another generally transfers energy between them. Only the total energy is conserved according to the mass-energy equation, not the energy of each body separately.

We considered a dramatic violation of conservation of mass. An electron and a positron annihilate, and out come a collection of particles whose total mass is 30,000 times larger. Nevertheless, energy is conserved. The velocities of the initial electron and positron were very close to the speed of light. Therefore, according to the general mass-energy equation, their energy is very large, much larger than mc^2. The particles that emerge from the collision, although they are more massive, move a bit more slowly. When you add up their energies, calculated using the mass-energy equation, the sum matches the total energy of the original electron and positron. Once the particles fly out and separate, the interaction, or potential, energy becomes negligibly small.  Now, since we have a dramatic violation in the conservation of mass according to the mass-energy equation, and mass is undergoing expansion acceleration and is provided by different equations, then energy isn't conserved either.

Reference:  The above is taken right out of a book written by Frank Wilczek titled, "The Lightness of Being: Mass, Ether, and Unification of the Forces". This book is a must read! He is considered one of the world’s most eminent theoretical physicists. He is known, among other things, for the discovery of asymptotic freedom, the development of quantum chromodynamics (QCD), the invention of axions, and the discovery and exploitation of new forms of quantum statistics (anyons). Frank Wilczek is a Nobel Prize Winner, and is also an official advisor to CERN and to Daedalus.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1008 on: May 17, 2014, 06:05:21 PM »
@ MileHigh:
They've done a crowdfunding campaign and got more than 18000 fucking Dollars !  8)
$$$ https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator $$$
The sad part is that one day if someone who is serious (and have a truly working device) about starting an FE start-up, he will get labeled at scam without analysis.
That kind of things tend to discredit the whole OU research...  >:(

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1009 on: May 17, 2014, 06:56:44 PM »
LOL.  Now for our after dinner entertainment:  We are treated to the straw man in bigger bolder letters.
Where's your scientific argument?  LOL.
Apparently the non-scientific argumentation is not one-sided ;)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1010 on: May 17, 2014, 06:58:19 PM »
What comes out weighs about thirty thousand times as much as what went in. If mass is not conserved—and it’s not!, then we can seek its origin.
OK, but not in this thread

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1011 on: May 17, 2014, 10:10:15 PM »
Gee, I don't see any account of F=Ma.  The particles were, after all, accelerated to near light speed and that required a bunch of energy no?

Why do folk always seem to look at one side of an equation?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1012 on: May 17, 2014, 10:56:00 PM »
Gee, I don't see any account of F=Ma.  The particles were, after all, accelerated to near light speed and that required a bunch of energy no?

Why do folk always seem to look at one side of an equation?

Bill

Verpies has pointed out this is off-topic to the main purpose of this thread, and I agree.  If you want to have a further discussion on this, then feel free to create a thread and let me know the link via a PM or as a small side note in a post that is more meaningful to this topic, so others may follow and participate in the discussion if they are interested.

Thanks,

Gravock 

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1013 on: May 19, 2014, 12:20:43 AM »
Ok. Who wants to be the first to bash this thing?
cheers,
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http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/386-qeg-morocco-overunity

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1015 on: May 19, 2014, 01:19:11 AM »
Why not start out by preserving things for posterity.

This clip is on the Be-Do YouTube page and is called "QEG Morocco Overunity."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0

On HopeGirl's YouTube channel it is called "QEG Overunity."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJkNruMM6tE

Download it before it vanishes!  lol

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1016 on: May 19, 2014, 01:22:57 AM »
Let's preserve Dave Starbuck's posting:

http://www.allegedlydave.com/blog.htm?article_id=5
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/386-qeg-morocco-overunity#1644

By Dave Starbuck Sunday, May 18, 2014
 Source: www.allegedlydave.com/blog.htm?article_id=5

 I, like millions of other people around the world, read the announcement of the open sourcing of a free energy device back in march with a little skepticism, (I’ve been banging on for quite some time that inventors should just ’put it out there’ rather than try and make themselves rich with their invention, and yet here it and I was still skeptical... go figure) but I have been following its progress with mounting excitement, wishing that I could be a part of this historic venture and no sooner than I got back to base I was.   A package of test equipment needed to be taken over to Morocco and it was thought that the courier needed to be someone who could provide a little assistance to Jamie Robitaille the developer of the Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) and next thing I knew I was a plane to Morocco

 I arrived in Tangiers, expecting to be met at the airport by a Moroccan friend of Youssef, the QEG team’s "Fixer", I couldnt say that I was looking forward to a two hour trip with a man that I had no hope of communicating with, although, being met in Tangiers airport by a Moroccan driver holding a sign that read "Mr. Starbuck" would have been cool.

 I had skillfully negotiated the surly looking gendarmes and their associates that looked for all intents and purposes like secret police, (not so skillfully, in hindsight, now that I know that I apparently look like a Moroccan) but now, with the exit gate a mere arms length away, I was halted by a border guard who seemed mildly interested to find out what was in the large instrument case I dragged behind me, filled with oscilloscopes, multimeters, high voltage probes and various other terrorist paraphernalia that would have whipped up American TSA agents into a frenzy and sent them scrambling for their tasers, rubber gloves and KY Jelly.   Thankfully, I had been briefed on how to handle this situation, I was given the cover story that it was equipment for use in a humanitarian project to build a water pump to bring water to the impoverished village of Aoucham, and I felt confident that I could deliver a convincingly casual performance that would not arouse suspicion.   The guard seemed so laid back that I probably could have said "Don’t worry mate, it’s just meters and shit" and he would have rolled his eyes and waved me through, but unfortunately the border guard began asking me questions in French and it was only then that I realised that my near fluent command of the French language, that I had enjoyed two decades earlier, had degenerated to the point where I could barely describe a monkey sitting in a tree (le singe est dans l’arbre... yeah baby I still got it (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/emoticons/laughing.png))

 I managed to explain through a combination of hand gestures and broken, schoolboy french that the case was sealed with metal tags that would require cutting off and that I had no hope of explaining what was in it and now the guard was starting to get agitated, his hand kept straying toward his radio and I began to wonder what life in a Moroccan prison would be like, but then I was saved, Jamie Robitalle himself and an american woman called Whitney (who spoke perfect French) had come to meet me at the airport, and even though, disappointingly, they were not carrying a "Mr. Starbuck" sign, they were able to have us quickly on our way.

 Jamie is a humble, unassuming man with a seemingly perpetual smile and the gentle demeanour of a beloved maths teacher, and the three of us were engaged in easy conversation that evaporated our two hour journey to QEG headquarters, it was at this point that I learned that while the QEG had achieved resonance, it had not yet achieved over-unity, that is, it was still consuming more power than it generated. Even though my role was little more than a courier, I offered my services as Jamie’s assistant and silently stated my intention to see over-unity before I went home.

 I arrived at "The Sanctuary" at 4:00am and a few hours later I was up and being introduced to the members of the community as an honoured guest, and since it was a Sunday there was not much work that would be done and so I found myself slipping into the easy flow of the community as I participated in their activities as if I’d always been a part of them.

 The following day Jamie explained how he had approached Timothy Thrapp from the WITTS "Christian" Ministry who, despite their altruistic claims of releasing free energy to the world, demanded $400 for one hour of his time. Jamie was able to get a basic understanding of this replication of Tesla’s work, but it was clear that he was leaving out a lot of information and being intentionally vague about what he did share, and when Jamie compared notes with someone else, who had paid handsomely for the privilege, there were several contidictions.   It also became obvious that the intent was to seduce customers into repeated "donations" to the Ministry.   Moreover, when Thrapp learned of Jamie’s intent to open source the technology, relations between them became frosty.


 Then I had my first live demo of the QEG, it was loud like an power router, and as it achieved reonance there was a harsh sounding rattle and it did indeed perform distinctly under unity, Jamie showed me his meticulous records of trials of varying rotor speeds and capacitance values and explained his hitherto failure to find a "sweet spot" combination.

 The QEG was, at this point, working at unity, that is, it was producing the same amount of power as it was consuming, which in itself is an astounding achievement since the generators that supply our power now consume something in the region of 18 watts in order to generate 10 watts.

 Later, Jamie began a new series of experiments with much larger arrays of capacitors and testing the location of a grounding wire.   My assistance largely took the form of getting in the way and asking far too many questions.

 On my third day working with the QEG, I was privileged to sit in on a Skype call between Jamie and a German team who are also developing a QEG, some data was exchanged and an accord was reached to have closer ties and regular catch up meetings.

 By the fifth day Jamie’s dogged persistence had paid off, he ran a new sequence where the QEG would initially power the load of six 100 watt light bulbs, he would the add a solar array inverter (high voltage input) to the load and once it initialised he would disconnect the bulbs and the QEG would be running the inverter, unfortunately the badly regulated Moroccan mains power would alter the QEG output and send the inverter into a diagnostic mode, and on the rare occasion that we successfully ran the inverter we soon discovered that the new Earth configuration caused a ground fault condition and would trip the main breaker.
 Eventually this new configuration was tried sucessfully with all the new test equipment I’d brought hooked up, oscilloscopes were oscillating, meters were metering and high voltage probes were probing, the input power meter was showing that the QEG was drawing 600 Watts, the output voltage was holding steady at 380 volts and the output current was peaking at just under 2.4 amps...   Jamie began muttering about adjusting the values of the capacitor array, but then my maths skills, that are as sharp as wet spaghetti, kicked in it was outputting just under 900 watts.... in other words...OVER-UNITY!
 Not an awful lot over but over-unity nonetheless; Jamie smiled and almost reluctantly agreed.   I suggested that since the inverter was now capable of running the drive motor we should aim at having the QEG running in self powered mode, Jamie however, was far more cautious, but he wired up the changeover switch nonetheless.

 On day six, Jamie had been in communication with a QEG team in Canada who had some interesting ideas regarding treating the primary winding as the secondary and drawing power from that winding instead, we studied the new schematics but they didn’t seem to make a lot of sense, but then we mused about the tecniques and methodology one might employ to hide a simple solution, stretching it out so that customers would keep coming back for more, but without making it seem like the customer was being tricked and bled dry and we agreed that switching the primary and secondary might well fit the bill, so Jamie set about rewiring the QEG.

 Day seven, my last day. Jamie had been up late the previous night talking to the Canadian team and he wasn’t around by lunchtime, so I went to Oued Lou, the nearest town with a group from the community, but by the time I arrived back Jamie had already finished rewiring the QEG and was already reporting a significant voltage in the primary in the 1-1.5kv range, and was busy adding a bank of capacitors to the primary winding as per the Canadian design, we didnt have a variable resistor to place in series with the capacitor bank as the design specified but Jamie tried it anyway.   The difference was immediately noticeable, the QEG began to resonate at a much lower RPM around 1625rpm, the loud jarring rattle that had characterised the QEG at resonance had been replaced by a gentle purring as it ran far more smoothly and easily than ever before.

 The QEG was drawing 500 watts, the secondary was still powering its 600 watt load of light bulbs and yet on the primary side we were reading nearly 2000 volts at 1 amp.   If I had gone by Jamie’s furrowed expression alone I might have missed the fact that he had just achieved serious over-unity 500 Watts in and 2000 Watts out... I had to rouse him from his deep contemplation of how to reach his target of 10Kw to remind him to celebrate the fact that he had actually achieved 2.6Kw...   I managed to get a high five out of him before he resumed his tinkering.

 The QEG achieves Over-Unity!!

 At this point, about 1:30 am, members of the community, sensing that something of importance had occurred began to gather in the workshop, more were awakened to witness the event, a rousing round of applause went up for Jamie and we all tucked into Over-unity cake, baked specially for that moment.

 So the next step will be to make the QEG self running from the secondary windings stepping down the voltage using a transformer from a high power microwave oven.

Breaking News:
Hot off the press!!!I just spoke to Jamie and he mentioned that he has now achieved 3kW output, that’s six times over unity!   

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1017 on: May 19, 2014, 01:23:16 AM »
Self looping ?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1018 on: May 19, 2014, 01:32:20 AM »
the plot thickens............
 8)


does this roadshow ever hit the US continent?


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1019 on: May 19, 2014, 01:45:52 AM »
I used the low voltage coil as the resonator. I got 10X60 watts light bulbs in series very bright. The current was 0.83 amps and when I restart to check the voltage check what happened. I should had installed a spark gap but.....
Input at this time was 600 watts..




Cheers


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