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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1659999 times)

Offline MarkE

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #960 on: May 16, 2014, 09:02:21 AM »
MarkE hasn't been here a long time, as his high post count would otherwise suggest.  His registration to this forum was on January 9, of 2014.  However, his high post count (2,149) in such a very short period of time (less than 5 months) is highly reflective of his true nature for being here.  He is trolling this forum, and a bad troll at that, as evidence by the high volume and poor quality of his posts.  You will find in many of his posts a concept called, "argument by assertion".  Argument by assertion is the logical fallacy where someone tries to argue a point by merely asserting that it is true, regardless of contradiction.  He also uses a technique called "psychological projection", which is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #961 on: May 16, 2014, 09:53:07 AM »
No he is correct.  The amount of energy that we supply from well to wheel is less than the petrol fuel supplies.  The COP is therefore greater than 1.My yard, your yard, some oil field in Nigeria, it doesn't matter where the oil starts.  What matters is how much energy we get out versus how much we supply Slow down there, this is the whole point:  COP > 1 does not mean over unity.Here in the USA, colleges teach COP means:  Heat moved divided by the useful energy consumed to move it.
So, if you have so great misconceptions there, I will not hire you guys in my enterprises.

I had already this kind of discussion with the best scientists in France on the most popular but very rigourous one of Futura-Science and they recognised their confusion.

Anyway, the term "onvernuty": comes historically to design COPs. Then it has been used with all this great confusion of you all there between overunity COPs and hypothetical ABSOLUTE PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY (respect to the whole universe), or "RELATIVE" overunity PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY (respect to a specific, restrained, part of the universe).

But just continue your way if you like so! I no more care and said what I had to say. It is not me who will in go in the wrong direction. I may teach your teachers there anyway...

Cheers and bye for now.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #962 on: May 16, 2014, 09:59:53 AM »
MarkE hasn't been here a long time, as his high post count would otherwise suggest.  His registration to this forum was on January 9, of 2014.  However, his high post count (2,149) in such a very short period of time (less than 5 months) is highly reflective of his true nature for being here.  He is trolling this forum, and a bad troll at that, as evidence by the high volume and poor quality of his posts.  You will find in many of his posts a concept called, "argument by assertion".  Argument by assertion is the logical fallacy where someone tries to argue a point by merely asserting that it is true, regardless of contradiction.  He also uses a technique called "psychological projection", which is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.

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One can only wonder what sort of revelations will
manifest in the future.  What you're suggesting is
certainly within the realm of possibility.  The internet
has made possible the evolution of numerous species
of "Forum Men" who exhibit unusual traits.  Not to
mention that we're presently living in The Age of The
Lie and Disinformation for Fun and Profit...

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #962 on: May 16, 2014, 09:59:53 AM »
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Offline Khwartz

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #963 on: May 16, 2014, 10:10:48 AM »
If a device is OU, it must have an efficiency of over 100%.  Any efficiency over 100% is undefined as net output is possible with no input, the exact thing that we want from OU.  Mr. Murray-Smith's point is that it doesn't matter whether or not some yet to be discovered energy source is OU or a previously unidentified energy source.  If the source has the properties of inexhaustibility, and very low, ideally zero, operating cost then that energy source has the properties that we want from something that is OU.That is a reasonable enough assumption.  It leads to more or less two paths that I can see:  Either declare that searching for OU is a futile endeavor, or simply allowing that whatever is ultimately determined, OU is a convenient term to describe the properties of the kind of desirable new energy source that we would like to find.Unfortunately, it removes the distinction between what we want:  plentiful, cheap, clean new energy source(s) and things we would rather get past such as fossil fuels.  Personally, I do not object to the idea that if anything ever appears OU that it ultimately will almost certainly to be proven otherwise.Do you mean some other overunity site than this one?I think that there are many people who would disagree with us about the transient nature of anything that might appear OU staying that way.  One could qualify the term and say "apparent OU".  I do not think that is necessary and I don't think it adds much in the way of clarity.  It could inspire flame wars between camps who think that the First Law is violable and those who don't.  If a rich relative pays all my bills, then from my point of view everything in the world is free.COP and efficiency are both well defined.  "Free energy" has many interpretations.  In my experience:  OU is commonly understood to mean an energy source that appears to produce more than it consumes.  Some might object to the "appears" qualifier.  I don't see any value in quibbling about that until such a day as something that seems like a working OU machine appears on the scene.Mostly, yes, but there are exceptions.  Consider something like rocket fuel.  We put a lot more energy into making the rocket fuel then we get out of it.  The form of the fuel, its energy density, power density, etc matter more than the efficiency.I think you will find common agreement that each has a COP > 1.  I think that only a small minority would call either is OU.
Saying an device is "OU" or "overunity" means NOTHING in itselt; that is the basic error.

To be correct, one has to precise what one qualifies of "OU" or "overunity": is that a COP or it that a PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY? !

Then, if it is COP, needs to use the right and "on purpose" definition for industrial view.

Then, if PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY, needs to specify THE BOUNDARIES OF THE SYSTEM, and WHICH PARTS OF THE UNIVERSE WE ALLOW US TO CONSIDER.

Unless these specifications are made, nobody knows of what he or she is talking about.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #964 on: May 16, 2014, 10:20:45 AM »
Hi, many of us confound COP and Overunity, I define Overunity as an apparatus that violate the conservation law (first and second) and can create or destroy energy.
Also efficiency is different from COP, you can have a COP of 10 but an overall efficiency of 20% in the end you will get a COP=2 (10*0.2).
So LENR, solar, RF harnessing are not truly OU device since they doesn't create or cohere energy out of nothing.
Also if possible to create energy, the exact reverse must be true (destruction of energy).

Edit: You know about the Dark energy ? She is OU according to our theory.
Our universe expand, but the energy density for a given volume stay exactly the same, so the overall energy increase perpetually, this an example of a truly overunity system which involve creation of energy.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #964 on: May 16, 2014, 10:20:45 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #965 on: May 16, 2014, 10:34:38 AM »
Hi, many of us confound COP and Overunity, I define Overunity as an apparatus that violate the conservation law (first and second) and can create or destroy energy.
Also efficiency is different from COP, you can have a COP of 10 but an overall efficiency of 20% in the end you will get a COP=2 (10*0.2).
So LENR, solar, RF harnessing are not truly OU device since they doesn't create or cohere energy out of nothing.
Also if possible to create energy, the exact reverse must be true (destruction of energy).

Edit: You know about the Dark energy ? She is OU according to our theory.
Our universe expand, but the energy density for a given volume stay exactly the same, so the overall energy increase perpetually, this an example of a truly overunity system which involve creation of energy.
A COP > 1.0 is overunity: the word itself means what it means,  it is a mathematical quality.

A PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY > 1 would be overunity too.

That is why we should always specify of which overunity we are talking about. (And as concerne (PHYSICAL) EFFICIENCY, one should precise which part of the universe one is taking in account, if one would talk about AN ABSOLUTE EFFICIENCY or RELATIVE EFFICIENCY.)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #966 on: May 16, 2014, 10:50:55 AM »
Saying an device is "OU" or "overunity" means NOTHING in itselt; that is the basic error.

To be correct, one has to precise what one qualifies of "OU" or "overunity": is that a COP or it that a PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY? !

Then, if it is COP, needs to use the right and "on purpose" definition for industrial view.

Then, if PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY, needs to specify THE BOUNDARIES OF THE SYSTEM, and WHICH PARTS OF THE UNIVERSE WE ALLOW US TO CONSIDER.

Unless these specifications are made, nobody knows of what he or she is talking about.
Pretty much all the considerations you raise have been covered in the discussion with FarmHand.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #966 on: May 16, 2014, 10:50:55 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #967 on: May 16, 2014, 10:53:45 AM »
Hi, many of us confound COP and Overunity, I define Overunity as an apparatus that violate the conservation law (first and second) and can create or destroy energy.
Also efficiency is different from COP, you can have a COP of 10 but an overall efficiency of 20% in the end you will get a COP=2 (10*0.2).
So LENR, solar, RF harnessing are not truly OU device since they doesn't create or cohere energy out of nothing.
Also if possible to create energy, the exact reverse must be true (destruction of energy).

Edit: You know about the Dark energy ? She is OU according to our theory.
Our universe expand, but the energy density for a given volume stay exactly the same, so the overall energy increase perpetually, this an example of a truly overunity system which involve creation of energy.
I would only qualify that as an apparatus that appears to violate the laws of thermodynamics.  If it were to be a First Law violation, then most probably we wouldn't be recognizing the energy source.  If it were a Second Law violation, then Dr. Sheehan would be correct, and the Second Law: "would be true, except when it isn't".

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #968 on: May 16, 2014, 11:00:40 AM »
MarkE hasn't been here a long time, as his high post count would otherwise suggest.  His registration to this forum was on January 9, of 2014.  However, his high post count (2,149) in such a very short period of time (less than 5 months) is highly reflective of his true nature for being here.  He is trolling this forum, and a bad troll at that, as evidence by the high volume and poor quality of his posts.  You will find in many of his posts a concept called, "argument by assertion".  Argument by assertion is the logical fallacy where someone tries to argue a point by merely asserting that it is true, regardless of contradiction.  He also uses a technique called "psychological projection", which is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.

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Spot on, there are too many doing the same thing, love your analysis


regards


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #968 on: May 16, 2014, 11:00:40 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #969 on: May 16, 2014, 02:58:18 PM »
To centraflow: I did read what you said.
Using an appropriate transmission, you can get almost any torque you want using a non-hydraulic motor. Only mentioning current as input to an electric motor is meaningless.
I watched that video; so similar to most OU motor/generator claims. No meaningful data. Obsession with showing RPMs. Large flywheel. Flickering meters. Lights as a load. No evidence of looping. Here is a question to consider for ALL OU systems: given that every stage in the system can be analysed for efficiency, and total system efficiency is a product of all individual efficiencies, why is the exact point that OU occurs is never identified?
Re: MarkE. I too found him unable/unwilling to just admit that he was wrong. Coming straight out and saying 'I was wrong; I apologise' can be a big deal to others. When (not if) I screw up, I'll say so. Which one of you all is qualified to give an opinion on Mark's mental health?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #970 on: May 16, 2014, 04:10:28 PM »
Yes the mistake that I made and acknowledged further in the thread is that I failed to account for the integration.  Faster speed yields a higher di/dt, but T is proportionally smaller.

Can you provide a reference link or a reply # to where you acknowledged your mistake further in the thread, instead of just asserting as you normally do?  I'm unable to find this acknowledgement on your part, however I may have over looked it.

Thanks,

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #970 on: May 16, 2014, 04:10:28 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #971 on: May 16, 2014, 04:31:58 PM »
To centraflow: I did read what you said.
Using an appropriate transmission, you can get almost any torque you want using a non-hydraulic motor. Only mentioning current as input to an electric motor is meaningless.
I watched that video; so similar to most OU motor/generator claims. No meaningful data. Obsession with showing RPMs. Large flywheel. Flickering meters. Lights as a load. No evidence of looping. Here is a question to consider for ALL OU systems: given that every stage in the system can be analysed for efficiency, and total system efficiency is a product of all individual efficiencies, why is the exact point that OU occurs is never identified?
Re: MarkE. I too found him unable/unwilling to just admit that he was wrong. Coming straight out and saying 'I was wrong; I apologise' can be a big deal to others. When (not if) I screw up, I'll say so. Which one of you all is qualified to give an opinion on Mark's mental health?


See the highlighted above, is not a hydraulic transmission "appropriate"? If the voltage input is constant, then any reduction in current input would result in a lower power input.


The flywheel as you call it is alluminium and holds the magnets, it is an external rotor, I pressume because they needed the space to mount the three phase heavy gauge coils which generate the power to drive the hydralic pump. The white, I presume off the shelf PM generator, is creating the final output. The design is interesting as the loop is in the drive, not from the final output generator, this leaves open several benifits of manipulating the power to the hydralic pump motor without affecting the output, what they are doing in reality I can not say at the moment, but I can guess.


As I have said in my first post here, I am waiting for an invite to see this first hand and just maybe it will not happen ::)


As far as mental health is concerned, I am an industrial engineer with a B.Sc, but I don't think that qualifies me as a "quack", but it does not take much to see where some are coming from. Note my low post count!!!! but I have been a member here for many years, I wonder why my post count is so low :o


I think I will go back to my round table with real thinking people and have a few beers ;)  just maybe we can be constructive and change the world for the better :-\


regards


Mike 8)


Sorry for distracting the thread from the real topic QEG


Here is something to leave you with to think about


Hydralic driven three phase generator with output converted to DC
PWM drive for hydralic pump at a frequency which is in reactive power sync, "hands apart", with the final output generator (no electrical link)
What do you think the output generator would do to the total drive?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #972 on: May 16, 2014, 04:47:35 PM »
Pretty much all the considerations you raise have been covered in the discussion with FarmHand.
Sometimes looks things to be repeated....

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #973 on: May 16, 2014, 04:51:21 PM »
Can you provide a reference link or a reply # to where you acknowledged your mistake further in the thread, instead of just asserting as you normally do?  I'm unable to find this acknowledgement on your part, however I may have over looked it.

Thanks,

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #974 on: May 16, 2014, 04:51:52 PM »
To centraflow: I did read what you said.
Using an appropriate transmission, you can get almost any torque you want using a non-hydraulic motor. Only mentioning current as input to an electric motor is meaningless.
I watched that video; so similar to most OU motor/generator claims. No meaningful data. Obsession with showing RPMs. Large flywheel. Flickering meters. Lights as a load. No evidence of looping. Here is a question to consider for ALL OU systems: given that every stage in the system can be analysed for efficiency, and total system efficiency is a product of all individual efficiencies, why is the exact point that OU occurs is never identified?
Re: MarkE. I too found him unable/unwilling to just admit that he was wrong. Coming straight out and saying 'I was wrong; I apologise' can be a big deal to others. When (not if) I screw up, I'll say so. Which one of you all is qualified to give an opinion on Mark's mental health?
Hi. If you like serious and regourous measurments about possible overunity COP, have a look on the work made on the Richard VIALLE's "autogen" / "autogénarateur".

Cheers.

 

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