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What do you guys think? Did we just hit the jackpot?
Hi Dann, yes we did... in the sense that now we know what to avoid. 8) :) 8)
Have you noticed this thread here: http://www.overunity.com/14442/anyone-heard-about-qeg/msg394493/#msg394493 (http://www.overunity.com/14442/anyone-heard-about-qeg/msg394493/#msg394493)
Gyula
They are misdirecting people.In this patent no resonant capasitors, so this pattent, I think, is wrong.
The real patent is this: http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine (http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine)
This is 100% BS
http://revolution-green.com/open-sourced-qeg-generator-show-data/ (http://revolution-green.com/open-sourced-qeg-generator-show-data/)
Kind Regards
Mark
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Fake or not, the schematic is quite interesting ! I have a question to anybody that may have had a closer look at the drawing and instructions. Is there an omission in the rotor details. I see a stack of plates mounted to the armature shaft but no mention of windings or magnets. Is this supposed to be just a rotating metal armature that acts as a flux bridge, or did I miss something? I see that they mention a bridge rectifier on the parts list but omitted it in the schematic for the dc motor.
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I see a stack of plates mounted to the armature shaft but no mention of windings or magnets. Is this supposed to be just a rotating metal armature that acts as a flux bridge, or did I miss something?
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...and while I was looking at the videos I just realized that the generator looks very familiar just like... bang... this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU) (Self Running 40kW 40,000 Watt Fuelless Generator Full Video [www.witts.ws]
What do you guys think? Did we just hit the jackpot?
Dann
In this patent no resonant capasitors, so this pattent, I think, is wrong.
Yes Vince; I think the rotor is just a flux bridge between field coils on the right and left. The field is oscillating
in resonance which modulates output with the resonant frequency. Note the incredible 25KV Working Voltage
capacitor bank implying a resonant Q of 100. This is what resonance can do to the LC tank voltage in right power
applications. The generator stator core seems to have extra insulation in order to be able to handle this field
voltage. The generator operating in this mode is called a magnetic amplifier. That Stanley guy used an
automobile alternator in the same way by modulating the field coil as part of his hydrogen HHO generator.
Amazingly, I saw a schematic of a standard household generator that was almost exactly the same
as this except that there was no field resonance, it was that simple, AVR automatic voltage regulation
seemed to be implemented by parametric modification. So I think this may be a standard generator
with more insulation on the field and heavy duty resonance on the field.
Nothing in the above implies overunity to me...except the 25KV makes the generator sensitive to incoming
free electrons. I suspect that this is at least part of the overunity being displayed, if any. The belt drive is part
of the static antenna, I think. 25KV is beyond the anode voltage of a BW CRT, but with significant more
power. *HV Caution* is definitely warranted IMHO.
If that Qmogen mechanical theory previously on overunity.com was correct "luging" of the drive motor is critical
which may not happen unless the generator is loaded with a dummy resistive load not shown in the schematic.
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You will notice that this set up is similar to the generators labeled "prior-art2" and "prior-art3" in the
Ecklin patent but with electromagnet field coils in place of the permanent magnets. The Ecklin generator
main drawing shows a winding on the rotor implying brushes. These other guys are all brush free...OK, I guess.
:S:MarkSCoffman
[8:01:02 PM] Sterling D. Allan: Thx for writing. I'll add that to the page. Can you tell me what the longest it's run for?
[8:01:06 PM | Edited 8:01:27 PM] Hope Moore: We just finished it and gave away the plans to the whole world for free. Any engineer can build one.
Yes, seems exatly, like they divice. :D
Here is the prototype.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ztt3R4Bu_0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ztt3R4Bu_0)
No permanent magnets.
Who can answer, there is permanent magnets in this divice?
Troll??? Growllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your just so funny we must laugh!
It seems always some new person who has very little time studying the hundreds of devices and claims at is so very ready to jump right in and be convinced of a unsupported claim. Tell you what, when this QEG is still unproven in a month (without excuses) you or we admit the opinion was incorrect. Personally I think Oil is a smelly business from the ground up (pun intended) and those energy sellers are death dealers. Most of us seeing this QEG have the same opinion on that, we hope all things like this were true. Yet of course some people just want to have attention how be it short lived and of a false nature. After all, everyone gets their 15 secs per lifetime right? Just sit back SteelTPU and watch a bit before you go spending any money, don't hock the family nest egg just yet. We don't hope for anything but a working device, but of course this so far has all the indicators of being just another bogus claim. If not where is the procedural evidence in video that is straight forward to measure? Always the new guy we can blame "Trolls!!" on, lol.
And in one month, if they DO NOT Provide that kind of credible evidence..... YOU will apologize to ME, publicly and abjectly and so forth, and you will agree to think twice before insulting your critics again.
Good grief man - now you're sounding like Erron
over at the other place!
The QEG may not be the ultimate answer, but it
is clearly a step in the right direction. Those who
are experienced in Magnetic Switching should be
able with creativity and innovation to find the way
to get it done.
I'll publicly apologize and I'll even STOP POSTING, I'll withdraw totally and disappear.You mean like alsetalokin did?
OK... I'll give you, SeaMonkey, a YEAR then. If, by April 15, 2015, any of these "experienced" people can produce a self runner, with excess output power, using the information from HopeGirl.... or Keshe or Bedini or Thrapp or anyone else.... I'll publicly apologize and I'll even STOP POSTING, I'll withdraw totally and disappear.
But if they DON'T.... I'll expect the same from you.
You mean like alsetalokin did?You may not believe this, but the _impostor_ called "alsetalokin" who briefly had an account on this forum.... and even copied the _real_ alsetalokin's icon... is not now and never was me. That one was from Italy, iirc, and we really got pissed off by his theft of the icon and the posts he was making. Why do you think I have to use "TinselKoala" here? It's because that sucker already registered "alsetalokin".
[** You'd probably re-appear anyhow. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/cool.gif) With a
new persona. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) ]
I told you they didn't have a working prototype. They are working on faith alone. They are sure it will work because it was Revealed to them, in a dream or by channelling or something like that.They maybe not have self runnig, but man, who build QEG get output 5 kilowats, maximum maybe 9 kilowats. Input motor maybe 500-1000 watss, so Free energy is, if we assume, that he not wery good meshure, then input, let say, 1000 W and output is 2 kilowats. Here also free energy.
...they should have been Told by their Source...... to go out and build a boat and put on it two of each species.
People have been swinging magnets past heavy coils and generating high voltages for quite some time now, so nobody should be excited that they are able to do that.
Hi CheapPower 2012I was chatting with some of them yesterday in their Skype room. Nice people. I asked for some hard data and they promised next week so presumably at the conference. They certainly seem genuine. Will wait and see if they are deluded.
I agree it is more a delusion than a scam, but it has the ingredients of a scam being censorship, mistriths and requests for money.
Kind Regards
Mark
I am sorry but I think there are going to be a lot of long faces and HopeGirl is going to become HeatGirl. These "big coil and secret sauce" deals come around every year like clockwork.Is there any secret sauce here? Apart from the lack of hard data on performance Is there anything we don't know about construction or operation? They seem to have been fairly open about that. I've spoken to a couple of others who have said they are getting direct help via skype on their replications.
The thing about the relatively new phenomenon of crowd funding is a lot of the deals call for zero accountability from the recipients of the money. It would not be hard at all to "script" out this whole thing and walk away with your cash bomb and divvy up say two-thirds of the money with your team.
Is there any secret sauce here? Apart from the lack of hard data on performance Is there anything we don't know about construction or operation? They seem to have been fairly open about that. I've spoken to a couple of others who have said they are getting direct help via skype on their replications.Then why declare it is real, and all the spin that goes with it.
The end result maybe that it does not work as advertised but I'm not seeing anything hidden or dishonest here.
I am sorry but I think there are going to be a lot of long faces and HopeGirl is going to become HeatGirl. These "big coil and secret sauce" deals come around every year like clockwork.Well they have made $28,595 with crowd funding so far. Maybe enough for their team fly to Taiwan, pay for food and accommodations and the cost of their initial unit they've spent 6 months building (but little or nothing for their labor). Sorry you think so low of people and a career engineer no less. I cannot imagine any way this is going to make them rich with the plans they have laid out. Except maybe rich in Karma if it all works out to give those who really need energy just to have clean water and heat in the freezing cold.
The thing about the relatively new phenomenon of crowd funding is a lot of the deals call for zero accountability from the recipients of the money. It would not be hard at all to "script" out this whole thing and walk away with your cash bomb and divvy up say two-thirds of the money with your team.
From James from the FTW QEG team in Taiwan:
Hello All, This is James. just wanted to post an update to let you know how we made out with resolving the insulation issue... It was another amazing day! As we said, yesterday we stripped all the wire off the two primary coils to prepare for replacing the insulation and rewinding. Today our host took us to a winding company here in Taiwan that also specializes in developing insulation systems.
This is one of the top 3 companies in the country, and one of the best in Asia (our host has amazing connections). They build coils for some of the biggest names in the world, and we had the entire design team in the conference room! It was amazing to watch their faces as we began to explain what the QEG is and how it works! (we get that all the time).
So they were intrigued and excited, and agreed to take on the repair. They will also build up Taiwan's second (bare) core with their improved insulation system from the bare core up. They confirmed almost immediately that what was needed was interlayer insulation to prevent this happening again, and to ruggedize the design.
So they will add mylar interlayer insulation and rewind the two primary coils on the first core, and they say they can complete it by end of work day tomorrow. We'll go pick it back up tomorrow evening and put it back together wednesday morning, to resume tuning and testing.
Then why declare it is real, and all the spin that goes with it.
Kind regards
PS I know others far more worthy than this
I was chatting with some of them yesterday in their Skype room. Nice people. I asked for some hard data and they promised next week so presumably at the conference. They certainly seem genuine. Will wait and see if they are deluded.Dont bealeave any promises, because you not know what be after 5 minutes. ;)
I feel this topic is moving in a positive result. There are many people excited about it being possible. Even if HopeGirls device does or doesn't work. This force we are are creating is a positive one. And it will create a positive result. I am thankful for people who have earned my respect in the forum spending time commenting on this topic.
It rings true even here that we are the 99%. 99% of the force behind all that is created and we WILL bring this into physical reality as well, let us remember that and start adding our findings up and build a sum that pegs out at achievement of the goal. I love that you all do not care about making "the money" on this. Our hearts are in unison and is a goal worth all we can put into it. I am proud to be part of this with you all.
Richard Williams
markdansie
People have a tendency to Hope,even if theres no chance that this device will
work,they may believe
they can fix the problems as they go along,thats why they ask for more money,
its funny and sad, as no amount of money can make this device work.
A friend who studies people and Hope,said to me, Hope is the most powerful force in the world
I think hes right.
QEG is real.i was reaching for the word to use. It evades me
This is a parametric oscillator (inductance is the parameter) oscillating at the ferro-resonance frequency of the core. This worked in 1934 when Mandelstam and Papalexi (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf) experimented with it (concentrate on the experimental part of the paper on page 123). The original paper can be found here (http://www.cheniere.org/references/RussianParametric.pdf). It will also work this time. The excess energy is coming from the iron nuclei in the core through acoustic NQR excitation.
Here's the thing that puzzles me - wtf are they seeing? Just listened to the interview. 4kw of continuous output?
Nice sentiments and good intentions. I see this at conferences and various other projects over the years. No amount of wishing, singing Kumbaya will make this a reality. Hard nosed science, being honest and less spin will. Every one was led up the garden path with the declaration that "free energy is now here". This is once again crying wolf and the damage is once again done by a lot of well meaning delusional people. 20,000 people downloaded plans for a device that does not work . However we here all the sales being made of components, the sending of donations and crowd funding.
I called their follya no go from day one back in November last year. The spin used was misleading and dishonest. These people have blown their credibility and all those associated with them. Shame , Shame, Shame, I know dozens of genuine inventors working. on similar projects who choose to work in privacy and only declare what they can repeat and support. they are the real hero's and always will be.
Kind Regards
Mark
Timothy Thrapp must be having an erg-o-gasm! He probably never got more publicity than this!
Heartfelt post Mark. Good questions to be asked. Typo in no.4 tho
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and here Personnel Insight
BTW Their skype group is pretty active and I have posted your story in there... now I may get booted :)
Mark D.,only what i read of the forums and it is under unity, as will be all the videos presented. resonance is about the most commonplace thing you will find in electronics. it is used in this case to baffle people with Bullshit.
Near the bottom of your False Hopes critique page (http://revolution-green.com/false-hopes-qeg-spin-doctors-go-quiet/)
you link to a video which is "one of the latest failed att[e]mpts."
The audio portion of the video has the characteristic sound
of QED resonance but no other amplifying detail about what
the video is supposed to represent.
Do you have knowledge about the video?
Mark D.,
Near the bottom of your False Hopes critique page (http://revolution-green.com/false-hopes-qeg-spin-doctors-go-quiet/)
you link to a video which is "one of the latest failed att[e]mpts."
The audio portion of the video has the characteristic sound
of QED resonance but no other amplifying detail about what
the video is supposed to represent.
Do you have knowledge about the video?
found that.... hope it's help
I was just sent this, it might have been from the Skype roomWhateverGirl cannot take the heat. When those Taiwanese finally conclude that they have been defrauded and start looking for her and her minions, she will already be long gone. Next stop Morocco, with the rest of the cultists hiding out there.
" Apparently, things have gotten out of hand in this network and we have trolls and too many negative comments. To protect the integrity of this precious project for humanity I must leave this QEG Network room. For those of you who are sincere, please watch for updated blogposts as this breakthrough rolls out. Thank you and blessings to all. -HopeGirl"
So the questions go unanswered?
Mark
I was just sent this, it might have been from the Skype roomHi Mark - that was me - yeah I unleashed a little sh-tstorm I'm afraid. I posted a link to your post and it brought out a number of comments that basically agreed with you. I didn't see anything too negative but we were collectively labelled as trolls because we were off topic as the group was to discuss replications. A bit strong I thought as I have said from day one Hope & her family seem genuine whether they have something or not. I have asked several times in the group about real data and have been told to wait for next week. Which is fine by me.
" Apparently, things have gotten out of hand in this network and we have trolls and too many negative comments. To protect the integrity of this precious project for humanity I must leave this QEG Network room. For those of you who are sincere, please watch for updated blogposts as this breakthrough rolls out. Thank you and blessings to all. -HopeGirl"
So the questions go unanswered?
Mark
Amwayish. That's an understatement. More like Heaven's-Gate-ish, or Jonestown-ish, if you ask me.Man that made me laugh -
Good people? Well, perhaps some of them are, believing themselves to be promoting a Revealed source of information, a religious fanatic sort of "goodness". But certainly others of them are simply cynical manipulators and fraudsters.
"Tinselhead"? Not many people know my full name, TinselHead Arbuthnot Jaspers Koala the Third. But there's no need to stand on formality, you can just call me TK. But not in the TKapanadze threads, please.
Ahhhh, so what will you say now guys....?
Free Energy April 2014 QEG Processed Core Arrives in Taiwan..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMndbX7PfuA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMndbX7PfuA)
Are they kidding...?
How do you mean 01-04?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwv_hos3qyI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwv_hos3qyI)
only what i read of the forums and it is under unity, as will be all the videos presented. resonance is about the most commonplace thing you will find in electronics. it is used in this case to baffle people with Bullshit.
Kind Regards
The electrical current coming out of a generator has absolutely nothing to do with the torque applied to the generator shaft. The electrical output comes out of the supplied field which never runs down, and never runs out. The torque supplied to the generator literally 'goes out the window' due to the struggle between the supplied field and the induced field. Back emf has hypnotized people into thinking that the energy going into a generator is the energy coming out of the generator. This thinking is nonsense.
Electrical energy has never been conserved, it comes out of the supplied field over and over again, and it will continue to do so throughout eternity. The fact that we have always had to do a very relative amount of work to induce an electrical output is not relevant to the creation, or the transformation, of electrical energy that is taking place in the conventional generator.
There has never been conservation of energy in our generators and alternators. The supplied field, be it permanent or electromagnetic, pumps it out nonstop. There has always been an endless supply of electrical energy available. Unfortunately, it has always has required a relative amount of work to convert the supplied magnetic energy to electrical current output, because of the back emf encountered in the process. Find a way to get around the back emf and you have an endless supply of free energy.
If you look closely the WITTS Demo by T. Thrapp shows, that the motor does NOT slow down
when the screws in the bulbs... at minute 7:30
This is the best evidence for a fake...the motor speed
should change !
Regards, Stefan.
This sounds like it's straight out of Tom Bearden's book. Just sayin'.... 8)
See also the interview I had recently with the FTW people:http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ (http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ)
Many who think they have things figured out are going to be eating some humble pie soon. The device does work. Those who think Jim just got off the turnip truck and does not understand the simple basics of power in, and and power out, are sadly mistaken.
Imagine you had a setup with a handle connected to a gearbox so you could crank it with your arms. The output of the gearbox drives a generator connected to a 100-watt light bulb. When the light bulb starts to light up you will feel the extra mechanical power you have to supply with your bare arms. It's actually almost shocking to see how much torque you have to apply as the light bulb gets brighter. That's the way it works.
This is quite true if, and only if, energy is not being introduced into the system from an exsternal source which is known (solar panels) or not well known (quantum foam etc).
This drills a hole in the bottom of your boat, Milehigh.
Hi everyone,
as I have posted a few pages back, I've been testing the effects of the QEG.
It coincides (like woopy) I have also thought of using a MOT for its high Inductance coil to see if I can produce some of the effects claimed.
I can confirm that there is a real effects and I would strongly suggest to the naysayers to hold off on your critics as you may end up having to eat your words. Best to put your energy in experiments as this looks to have real potential.
I made a video demo of my setup so you can see that I'm not just talking. However, I did not feel comfortable to demonstrate the Resonance as my particular test setup may not be able to handle such vibrations. When it first happened it scared me and I quickly pulled the plug as my 100 pound safety box was vibrating like a jackhammer.
Of course I'll be doing more tests but I thought to share my test rig and basic findings.
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE)
Stay tuned for more
Luc
Awesome work Luc! Do you think having only 2 cores may add to the vibration? Maybe 4 or more will smooth out the effect although I realize with your setup that would be difficult to do. Might be a thought to get some heavy concrete blocks to put on top of and around your box (fairly cheap from the big hardware stores). Thanks for confirming there is something of real interest here!
We've created an open source hub for this project at http://QEG.builders (http://qeg.builders/) which forwards to PESWikiAccording to the video:
Feel free to join in. PESWiki is a publicly editable site.
See also the interview I had recently with the FTW people: http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ (http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ)
Hi everyone,
as I have posted a few pages back, I've been testing the effects of the QEG.
It coincides (like woopy) I have also thought of using a MOT for its high Inductance coil to see if I can produce some of the effects claimed.
I can confirm that there is a real effects and I would strongly suggest to the naysayers to hold off on your critics as you may end up having to eat your words. Best to put your energy in experiments as this looks to have real potential.
I made a video demo of my setup so you can see that I'm not just talking. However, I did not feel comfortable to demonstrate the Resonance as my particular test setup may not be able to handle such vibrations. When it first happened it scared me and I quickly pulled the plug as my 100 pound safety box was vibrating like a jackhammer.
Of course I'll be doing more tests but I thought to share my test rig and basic findings.
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE)
Stay tuned for more
Luc
According to the video:
At about 400Hz, it is fairly stable, and the power output is 9:1 !!!
And yet they have not self looped it yet?
Shouldn’t they get a 400 Hz to 60Hz 120 V converter, or rectify to dc and invert it 120v 60Hz? (to power the drive motor)
They must have spent many thousands on the core, equipment, and other components not to mention international travel costs and time, so few extra bucks for the ultimate proof of design and performance should be of high priority.
Hopefully they will do it soon.
Thanks for posting.
Mike
You need to have an output on these devices! You can not run this device without a load. The load is designed to not let a buildup of too much pressure. This is the shaking you are seeing. It is building up more energy then it can dissipate and then leaks to other effects like shaking. It's like blocking certain type of pumps. They will explode if they have no output release. Most have a safety release just in case of a short or block occurs. DO NOT RUN THESE TYPE OF SYSTEMS WITHOUT A RELEASE OR OUTPUT!
The output has to be isolated from direct shorts. On way is to have an isolation transformer to protect from load shorting. Transformers are one way to isolate a load from source but even spark gaps and the likes also do this. So the choices are many.
Luk - great idea!
Finally someone who wants to take a step of faith.
There can be no progress by sitting back and throwing stones.
I just have to say Luk, what is going to happen is that once you get some more power running through your coils and transformer cores become more magnetized momentarily during each cycle it is going to start grabbing harder and this is where all the incredible vibration you spoke of must be coming from considering the tremendous torque of that motor you are using. If don't keep the power levels exactly the same in each core they may start touching down and it will be like disc breaks. I can see why it might get quite frightening. For safety sake I would not necessarily recommend pushing this particular design much further.
I was thinking about something Timothy mentioned... there was no fly wheel and the relatively small rotor was coupled via a belt.
I believe his configuration was chosen for that very reason, to provide give to the grab.
The belt provides additional "capacitance" due to its elasticity.
This results in a physical energy store and release cycle between the belt and drive motor that will have its own resonate points.
So they have two energy store and release systems each with their own resonant points.
I believe the trick is to synchronize the two resonant systems to feed back on each other.
Food for thought.
Thanks!
Awesome work Luc! Do you think having only 2 cores may add to the vibration? Maybe 4 or more will smooth out the effect although I realize with your setup that would be difficult to do. Might be a thought to get some heavy concrete blocks to put on top of and around your box (fairly cheap from the big hardware stores). Thanks for confirming there is something of real interest here!
Hi everyone,
I was out most of the day but had a chance to further test and video what happens when it hits resonance.
Please note, once I finished this test video the two rotor set screws had worked them self loose with the powerful vibrations.
I don't think I can go any further with this tests device as my design was mostly to confirm the effect Inductance parametric change have and confirm the effects that have been shared. My design becomes a disk brake at Resonance because the powerful vibrations flexes the rotor and the cores rub together, so I can't confirm how it affect the prime mover at Resonance.
I know that's the big question but I ask myself, why would it not be as they say since all the other effects are as shared.
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY)
Luc
Hi everyone,That is amazing to see and hear Luc. It leaves a sense that it is a self reinforcing resonance that is feeding itself .... EXACTLY what I think is needed for a free energy device to function. It's tapping energy from somewhere and having seen Professor Steven Jones video investigation into the QEG with a simple iron bar and an old Tesla secondary coil it seems there are some effects being noticed that could be very important to free energy. Maybe something known in the past but overlooked until recent events have refocused attention on this effect. Thanks for another "WOW" demo ;)
I was out most of the day but had a chance to further test and video what happens when it hits resonance.
Please note, once I finished this test video the two rotor set screws had worked them self loose with the powerful vibrations.
I don't think I can go any further with this tests device as my design was mostly to confirm the effect Inductance parametric change have and confirm the effects that have been shared. My design becomes a disk brake at Resonance because the powerful vibrations flexes the rotor and the cores rub together, so I can't confirm how it affect the prime mover at Resonance.
I know that's the big question but I ask myself, why would it not be as they say since all the other effects are as shared.
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY)
Luc
Hi everyone,Fascinating video Luc thanks for sharing.
I was out most of the day but had a chance to further test and video what happens when it hits resonance.
Please note, once I finished this test video the two rotor set screws had worked them self loose with the powerful vibrations.
I don't think I can go any further with this tests device as my design was mostly to confirm the effect Inductance parametric change have and confirm the effects that have been shared. My design becomes a disk brake at Resonance because the powerful vibrations flexes the rotor and the cores rub together, so I can't confirm how it affect the prime mover at Resonance.
I know that's the big question but I ask myself, why would it not be as they say since all the other effects are as shared.
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY)
Luc
Luc, Woopy,
You both have pretty impressive setups. However, you have to start your investigation from the very beginning.
Your "E" cores and your "I" cores, did you check with a compass to see if there was any residual magnetization in them? What is another way to check for any possible residual magnetization? Perhaps you can come up with a better way.
Why should you check for this?
MileHigh
For Luc: In your clip with the high voltage and the breaking effect I think I know what is going on, or at least I have a theory. But perhaps that's better left for others to figure out.
...... at least I have a theory. But perhaps that's better left for others to figure out.
Luc,
Excellent work!
To make the oscillating system more stable at resonance, you may try to connect a few incandescent bulbs in series with the capacitor in similarity to Fig.62 in this paper (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf).
Jbignes5:
It's really sad when people that claim that they have open minds and want to explore act closed-minded and reject a suggestion to make a test to explore. You actively don't want to check something? Why would that be? You are "sure" it's not there?? It makes no sense for you to say that.
What are your thoughts on the high voltage and the braking effect? One more time you seem to be demonstrating hostility towards thinking, which is silly. So feel free to put your thinking cap on if you want and share your thoughts.
ChrisC:
Leave my theory behind? So does that mean that you too don't want to think and offer up your thoughts?
You allege that I write crap? Please go ahead and tell me what you think is crap.
You two guys are open-minded Luddites. Free energy neocons that don't like free thought unless it's your type of free thought. Also, let's see what you two have to say in six weeks when we can assume perhaps a hundred or more enthusiastic groups have had time to build and test the real QEG.
MileHigh
Thanks, I'll give it some consideration but somehow I think the bulbs in series on the tank circuit may prevent the resonance effect. Also, to be safe and allow the high voltage to go through it would require more bulbs in series then I have available.
Luc
Residual magnetism from what exactly? That is transformer steel you know a mot? residual magnetism pchhha.. Keep reaching there....
As for the comment I have a theory but that is left for others to figure out? Hmmm... Shall we say You have no theory... Why would you need a theory if this has already been explained by your science? Why not reach into the golden book of "Facts" and show us what ya got?
I already have the hate mail, threats lol
I had 2 light bulbs as load.
The limitation with my simple test design is the rotor I cores hit the E cores when resonance kicks in. This causes a braking action.
I will have to come up with a new heavier design that the rotor will not flex under resonance.
Luc
Hi shinz62,
You are correct! my design becomes a disk brake at Resonance.
I like your understanding of the possible use and work of the belt. I'll incorporate it in the next design.
Thanks for sharing
Luc
Luc,
Excellent work!
To make the oscillating system more stable at resonance, you may try to connect a few incandescent bulbs in series with the capacitor in similarity to Fig.62 in this paper (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf).
There is _always_ a current/voltage source when you are moving conductors and/or changing reluctance of blocks of metal.
Unless, that is, you are fully surrounded by a proper set of Helmholz coils to cancel out the Earth's geomagnetic field and any other sources of field distortion in your neighborhood.
Don't forget: you can magnetize iron rods, nails, etc. just by lining them up north/south and repeatedly striking them with a hammer or rock.
Very Enterprising indeed
Does Hopegirl = Zilano after market research. ;D She adds up the hopefuls does some sums and sees the dollar signs, maybe not. ;)
I don't see why the hype considering she hasn't shown anything. But I'm not going to bad mouth her, the way I see it now I say good on her, very enterprising and I may do the same thing. Would be easy, get a new name and make some wacky plan, use a Tesla patent and make claims. Perfect.
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Also, to be safe and allow the high voltage to go through it would require more bulbs in series then I have available.
Mh, your supposed "free thought" comes from books that dont encourage or engage in the idea that free energy is possible. That is not free thought. That is called being programmed. Nothing free thought about it. All nice and tight in a little box. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Except there is a coil on the rotor. And this was my suggestion.
Actually the roots of any of these patents is this: http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine
and : http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-445,207-electro-magnetic-motor
There are a huge amount of these produced by Tesla and others.
With the first example being the unit presented in sections. All of the sections can be built into the Exciter/Generator/Motor unit. EGM for short.
Here is a quote of note in the first patent:
"My present invention relates, chiefly, to the alternating-current system invented by me and described in prior patents, notably Nos. 381,968 and 382,280, of May 1, 1888, in which the motors or transformers, or generally the converters, are operated by a progressive shifting or movement of their magnetic poles produced by the co-operative action of independent magnetizing-coils through which pass alternating currents in proper order and direction. In my said system, as I have heretofore shown, I employed a generator of alternating currents in which there were independent induced or generating coils corresponding to the energizing-coils of the converter, and the relations of the generator and converters were generally such that the speed of rotation of the magnetic poles of the converter equaled that of the armature of the generator.To secure the greatest efficiency, it is necessary to run the machines at a high speed, and this is true not only of those generators and motors which are particularly adapted for use in my system, but of others. The practicability of running at very high speeds, however, particularly in the case of large generators, is limited by mechanical conditions, in seeking to avoid which I have devised various plans for operating the system under efficient conditions, although running the generator at a comparatively low rate of speed.
My present invention consists of another way of accomplishing this result, which in certain respects presents many advantages. According to the invention, in lieu of driving the armature of the generator at a high rate of speed, I produce a rotation of the magnetic poles of one element of the generator and drive the other at a different speed, by which similar results are obtained to those secured by a rapid rotation of one of the elements."
See this is the misdirection people employ to discredit findings. Very bad test indeed...
Jbignes5:
It is indeed possible that the compass magnet itself is causing the deflection. Also, it's undetermined if a small piece of metal will show any residual magnetism because the field can be very weak.
You should stop this. There is no misdirection employed nor is there any intention to discredit findings. It is a perfectly good test to make. This is all in your head and you should get over it. I have indeed stated that I do not expect anything to come from HopeGirl and the QEG project based on my experience. But Luc's test is a completely different thing and the suggestions are real and done with good intentions.
What almost always happens is that there is a peer pressure to try to use every observation to support the latest free energy proposition. This is done without doing any due diligence and checking of measurements, considering other explanations, doing or inventing other tests to check hypotheses, etc. That is the wrong way to experiment and do investigations. This idea that you put on blinders and use tunnel vision to reach your objective is just plain wrong.
Take a look at the "delayed Lenz effect" as an example. It's almost certain that everybody got that one wrong. Farmhand pointed out the problems with that notion over a year ago and more recently Conradelectro replicated it. We looked at the power dissipation in the pick-up coil and realized that when you add the load resistor the power dissipated in the pick-up coil goes down and therefore rotor speeds up. The problem is that people replicated it, saw what they were expecting to see, and "confirmed" that there was a "delayed Lenz effect." I am pretty sure nearly none of them made the total power dissipation measurements in the pick-up coil before and after adding the load resistor.
And I know Luc that you may have originated the "delayed Lenz" tests but there is no offense intended. It's all just part of a learning experience. If anybody is going to experiment with electronics you can just about never stop learning.
MileHigh
I was testing hitting the MOT cores with metal like woopy did and found what causes the voltage.
I also checked for magnetism in my I cores and could not conclude anything.
Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3v2d2czTZg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3v2d2czTZg)
Luc
Jibgnes5:
You are welcome to question and be a skeptic about the current accepted dogma. That's a technical issue and don't be surprised if you get technical responses.
Stop trying to allege that I am something that I am not. I am not a 'bad guy' so get over it. My discussion about the remnant magnetism is 100% legitimate and you tried to suggest that this was being done to derail this investigation and that is not true.
I am sorry that you have heath issues and I hope that you can devote some time to your projects.
MileHigh
No i took issue with the method to measure residual magnetism. You knew the compass had a magnet in it and hence why it was designed to look like the core was magnetized. Most uneducated people who are working here believe that crap and hence my comment that this is a bad guy tactic.
Luc:
I am going to give you a suggestion for using the compass with a simple example that perhaps you can apply in your own way with your setup.
We know the compass is a magnet itself. So it has the ability to disturb it's own measurements. This is an issue that comes up all the time in all sorts of applications of sensors. For an example, when you use an ammeter, it disturbs the current measurement by introducing an extra resistance into the current loop. However, you understand in most cases the disturbance is insignificant.
The way to overcome this issue with the compass is to make differential measurements.
Suppose you have a rectangular block of metal to check for residual magnetism, and you also have an identical block of metal that is not magnetized.
The compass is lined up North-South and you approach the compass with the unmagnetized metal block and place it so the compass deflects 45 degrees. Now, since the block of metal is unmagnetized, if you turn it around by 180 degrees and put it in the same position, the compass will still be deflected by 45 degrees.
Now if you do the same test with the slightly magnetized block you will get different results. In one position the compass might be deflected by 43 degrees. Turn the block around and the compass might be deflected by 47 degrees. That is clearly telling you that there is some residual magnetism in the second block of metal.
Note that you don't need the unmagnetized block of metal as a reference. I simply used it in the description to make the point.
Your box is built so I don't know if you can make this measurement. If you had the "I" core and the "E" core on your bench you could in theory do these tests. Note that you have to test for the three main polarization directions for a block also, x, y, and z. You assume that you don't know what the direction of the polarization is.
MileHigh
Luc,
I am the guy that PMed Woopy about striking the transformer. In my best tests last night I obtained 481 volts from the secondary winding of a 17 pound microwave oven transformer from a 1978 Sharp microwave. I used a 2 1/2 pound rod of hardened steel. Results can be obtained from striking anywhere on the laminations in any direction. The steel is not magnetic but I am aware that the core could be shifting in the bobbin although I can not detect and movement and I have the equipment to do that. Just to be sure I tried a second transformer from an old oscilloscope which have visible runs of hardened varnish still dripped all over it. The winding has taps for 130 120 110 24 12 volt. It weighs about 1.5 lbs and is about the size of my hand. The best it has produced is 108 volts. I have an old choke about the same size with only one winding that makes 10 volts every time.
Using the microwave transformer I hooked a neon bulb across the secondary and it will blink long enough to see easily. The scope shows six or seven breaks each hit at about 170 volts.
The first spike wave lasts almost always 250 us.
When I strike the laminations I use a good blow but power is not as useful as sharpness. Think of striking a bell.
I am not disputing anyone's results only saying the effect is very interesting to me.
Garry
"I think it has overunity potential because no matter what you attach to the output ,the QEG draws not more power."
5kV @ 500mA
Somebody built a QEG in Germany and now has resonance.
In fact he writes in the comments that he has been tuning this machine for about a year and also gave up several times, but then with the Plans from Hopegirl he could bring the machine to work.
"A test 3 days ago showed up that we have 9300V at 0.7A. The Problem is somewhere in the Transformation between primary windings and secondary windings. If we start with a higher load attached like 500 Watt lamps we reach resonance but the lamp didn't light up. The machine is producing "raw power".
I think it has overunity potential because no matter what you attach to the output ,the QEG draws not more power. The secret is to get the exciter tank circuit to run properly, only then we can have more power than 150 Watts. Its like in Taiwan they havn't attached more than two bulbs right? Its the same here. Only raw power!"
Hi everyone,
the suggestion of having the bulbs in series on the high voltage side has helped stabilize the Resonance.
Here is the video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jYPDuueY0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jYPDuueY0)
Luc
If varying the inductance parameter is all that is required then it can be done without any rotor and with a very small input power. If I take an off the shelf 220 to 15 v transformer that has two 15 volt windings then simply short one of the 15 volt windings the inductance of the 220 volt winding varies from 4.4 H to almost nothing, then if I use a 12 volt bulb with a cold resistance of 5.5 ohms it varies between 4.4 H and 200 mH. Will that excite the transformer if I switch a load in and out at the correct frequency ? I think there is more to it than just varying the inductance, something missing, which is I think input.
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QEG report from Germany. He has had his for over a year so it must be Witts device.
Looking at the report below it seems like they don't understand why they can't turn the several thousand watts of oscillating power (accumulated) in the tank into a continuous output. It's comical. Grasping at straws when they resort to the old line of
On the other hand that behavior says to me that the output is limited to a bit less than the unloaded input.
From peswiki - http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:04:10#German_Group_achieves_QEG_resonance (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:04:10#German_Group_achieves_QEG_resonance)
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http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/226-update-april-13-from-the-qeg-team-in-taiwan (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/226-update-april-13-from-the-qeg-team-in-taiwan)
Do you have any more bulbs to add in series? ;D
Mags
53 minutes of nothing but Robitaille talking? And then a few minutes at the end on "how to use your computer to do a videoconference"?
Yep, that's the kind of update we need, for sure. I feel a lot more confident now.... don't you?
Wow obviously you didn't hear what they are working on and all the questions being answered to the best of his ability.
Why are you constantly attacking this guy. No wonder they left America to do this work. Faced with your cynicism who would want to deal with that. They left because of this attitude and they are spreading this FAR and wide without your or my help.
Are you jealous that you didn't get to lambaste them with your cynicism?
That video tells a lot but you choose not to listen. Fine I guess you go back to the end of the line when it comes time to hand out the plans and finished design.
They have a plan, they are following the plan for an uninterruptible launch. It's a plan that doesn't include fighting nay sayers or defending the device. It is a plan of action, of doing then they will go to the critics and answer them WITH FACTS. They are improving it as we speak and each step is a very important one full of discovery and from what it looks like joy. Their goal is to win against all the odds that is stacked up against them. If the project works as designed then hey MORE POWER to them! Power that they will not be paying for ROFL!
Your slip is showing. You are showing us every day who's side you are on. It's not ours thats for sure.
53 minutes of nothing but Robitaille talking? And then a few minutes at the end on "how to use your computer to do a videoconference"?
Yep, that's the kind of update we need, for sure. I feel a lot more confident now.... don't you?
Why doesn't he find an under unity forum and hang out there?
I don't understand Tinsel's attitude. Is he an oil company shill? It appears that his strategy is to constantly attack people and their ideas with a continual stream of negativity and sarcasm.
Why doesn't he find an under unity forum and hang out there?
What kind of fun would be for him ;D
Seriously, I don't mind since they have helped me in many ways over the years. They are here for a reason and we should allow them to voice their opinions without objections. If you don't agree we shouldn't bother arguing to make our point. We should use or time to experiment to try to prove what we believe to be.
Believe it or not, they want the same thing you want!... they just won't believe it until they see all the tests done right and only then they will build it for them self for final proof.
Luc
What kind of fun would be for him ;DNicely put Luc,
Seriously, I don't mind since they have helped me in many ways over the years. They are here for a reason and we should allow them to voice their opinions without objections. If you don't agree we shouldn't bother arguing to make our point. We should use or time to experiment to try to prove what we believe to be.
Believe it or not, they want the same thing you want!... they just won't believe it until they see all the tests done right and only then they will build it for them self for final proof.
Luc
What kind of fun would be for him ;D
Seriously, I don't mind since they have helped me in many ways over the years.
They are here for a reason
and we should allow them to voice their opinions
without objections.
If you don't agree we shouldn't bother arguing to make our point.
We should use or time to experiment to try to prove what we believe to be.
Believe it or not, they want the same thing you want!...
they just won't believe it until they see all the tests done right and only then they will build it for them self for final proof.
Missed you at the party VIDBID.
http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/#.U0tCEqLmyzo (http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/#.U0tCEqLmyzo)
Regards...
The unfortunate thing is that the QEG group is demonstrating the same pattern that we have all seen many times over. They clearly and unambiguously claimed that they have a free energy machine. Then all of a sudden it's "in development" and replicators are welcome to tweak the design and adapt it for themselves. It's the Internet age, you don't have to physically travel somewhere to demonstrate your concepts. You can use Skype and email. The people promoting this idea seem to have limited technical abilities. Let's assume the majority of the replication teams will be amateurs, and the replicators will go down dozens or hundreds of blind alleyways and do crazy nonsensical variations because they don't know what they are doing.
The system has been claimed to work, outputting 4 kilowatts. But no details were provided about the output voltage and current of the device itself, what transformer or transformers they may have used, and what the actual 4 kilowatt load was. How come this was not described and the guy that built it didn't say something like, "We used a 10 KVA 10:1 step-down transformer, and built a metal frame to hold 40 100-watt light bulbs, etc, etc. How come there is no picture of this apparatus? It's a lot of work to make a load bank to dissipate 4 kilowatts. Hey, for all I know they could have used toasters and make toast while they ran their test. I would like to see a picture of of the toasters and all of the data.
The point being that if you are going to actually claim you ran this setup let's say with a motor that drew 500 watts, and you output 4 kilowatts into a load, the first question you should be asking the QEG people is for full details on this test including measurements, video clips, pictures, a description of what was done, the actual data, and so on.
I don't hear any of you guys asking for this data. It's like you have put on your special tunnel vision blinders and will simply expect it to work - like magic. You are here to research free energy and you are building things all the time, and yet no one that I am aware of is asking for the hard core details about the 4 kilowatt test.
On one hand, everything about this one seems groovy and flexible and people are free to try different configurations, and yet when you try to replicate other free energy propositions that fail, you are told that you didn't do the replication exactly. If you didn't use the exact same wire with precisely the same number of turns on the exact same core, then it won't work and you can't blame the inventor, only yourself for failing to replicate.
Those are some of the pieces to the puzzle. The problem for many of you is that you have seen this puzzle before. All of the signs in the latest puzzle point in the direction that says it's won't work, because you have seen it all before. You have seen dozens and dozens of "coil resonance plays" and they never work. Resonance is not magic and only represents the storage of energy put into the resonating system from a source, like a battery. Resonance is not and will never be an innate source of energy itself. You have all been through this over and over and over.
So from my perspective, I am just waiting for the tears to start falling. Lots of groups will be burnt out, dismayed, and unhappy after spending a few hundred hours and getting nowhere. Reality is going to hurt them and it's going to bite HopeGirl in the ass.
You guys can do whatever you want and make some tests and I may comment in the genuine spirit of trying to help you. Meanwhile, the impending disaster of irate groups of replicators, many of them presumably not familiar with the whole free energy forums and all that, they are going to be one group of pissed off people that want results.
This appears to be nothing more than exciting coils into resonance. The coils are just resonating and waiting for either more energy to be put into them from an outside source, or they will be drained of energy and the resonant amplitude will decrease. That's all there is to it, there is no magic anywhere, it's nothing more than basic rudimentary electronics.
Let's all watch the show.
MileHigh
The unfortunate thing is that the QEG group is demonstrating the same pattern that we have all seen many times over.
They have clearly stated the voltage and the amps for the device. 2-4k volts at 5-10 amps.
No magic huh? You tell me anyone and I mean anyone that can get power from nothing more then coils on the field cores and just a normal rotor with no magnets or coils on that? The input is mechanical only, so you tell me?
So now it is in your ballpark LIAR.
Here is a prediction for you. When this starts to ramp up are you gonna tell us your address so we can come congratulate you in person of what a jerk you are?
What are you talking about? From Timothy Thrapp's statements in 2009, it is apparent that the QEG at WITTS Ministries was built sometime 25 years ago.
Vidbid:
The general concensus on this forum for years from nearly everyone, and I mean everyone, is that WITTS Ministries and Timothy Thrapp are scammers. They are considered low-brow money suckers that have never demonstrated anything credible.
If you don't believe me feel free to ask around.
MileHigh
Having met Timothy Thrapp in person, and as well as having feedback from other engineers and investors who have over many years, I can assure you that none of us ever saw or was convinced in anyway he had any overunity devices. The generator has or never will be demonstrated to have "overunity or excess power"
I admire the efforts of the people in Taiwan, I do not approve of claims of overunity...especially when it comes to raising funds.
I have seen many efforts like this over many years from magnetic motors, self running HHO gensets, water powered vehicles,Papp engines, gravity devices and in some cases people devoting over 20 years of their lives. None ever succeeded.
I have no beef with them going ahead doing what they enjoy doing, I wish them every success, but no claims, words or arguments will ever convince or the greater community they have anything of any value unless it can be demonstrated, not speculated about in acceptable manner.
http://revolution-green.com/quantum-energy-generator-taiwan-update/ (http://revolution-green.com/quantum-energy-generator-taiwan-update/)
Kind Regards
Mark
Farmhand,
The inductances have only a part in the whole machine. What they are saying is the high voltage comes from the Steel as a piezo type effect. Don't know if I agree but that is the source of the voltage. The coils then boost that voltage. The switching of the inductances only is used to route the voltage after it is picked up and is a guide for magnetic forces after the process starts.. Of course after the magnetics start shortcutting and cutting the coil it runs in resonance. The extra generation is from the magnetic field being channeled into the rotor then going into various portions of the toroid. But I will have to look at it way more closely to understand the basic function.
This is very familiar isn't it Farmhand? The only difference I can see from this and my angle is that they don't have a central Coil on the rotor to pull off Current from the magnetic portion of the device that travels along the rotor. Oh wait the system I was looking at uses two phases and is actively driven from a magneto. With the prime mover already integrated into this system you won't have switching problems like they are having.
..concensus on this forum..
..have never demonstrated anything credible.
..as well as having feedback from other engineers and investors who have also met him over many years, I can assure you that none of us ever saw or was convinced in anyway he had any overunity devices.
Hi all
Just tried something after Gyula information on the Russian(Lanarev ) paper from 1934 , where a crossing alu plate. decreases the inductance of 2 facing coil.
And it seems that by variation of inductance, Increasing it or decreasing it, generate some electricity
And , by doing it, also seems not to submitted to Lenz perhaps ???
My 2 cents
http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k (http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k)
laurent
Just tried something after Gyula information on the Russian(Lanarev ) paper from 1934 , where a crossing alu plate. decreases the inductance of 2 facing coil.It's good to know that, maybe it would mean that the energy is stored in the alu plate like a sort of capacitor.
Yes, but does that sample of engineers and investors include any of the people in WITTS Ministries' overunity independent verifications videos?Those video's are a joke and none of those demonstrations could be reproduced live for any visiting engineers, scientists and more importantly investors. Videos are never accepted as evidence. I have seen videos faked that even fooled highly qualified engineers, nothing like a third party validation or live demonstration.
Those can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/user/WITTS2014 (http://www.youtube.com/user/WITTS2014)
Regards,
VIDBID
Hi all
Just tried something after Gyula information on the Russian(Lanarev ) paper from 1934 , where a crossing alu plate. decreases the inductance of 2 facing coil.
And it seems that by variation of inductance, Increasing it or decreasing it, generate some electricity
And , by doing it, also seems not to submitted to Lenz perhaps ???
My 2 cents
http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k (http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k)
laurent
gotoluc:
I really appreciate all of your experimental efforts and sharing of your results. I think many more than you're aware of benefit from the work you openly share. We learn something from every experiment whether we conduct it ourselves or if it is conducted by someone else who provides the configuration, test protocol and the data needed to replicate the experiment like you do. You learn whether your results are as you expected or not. Richard Feynman put it best: The test of all knowledge is experiment.
Your builds are professional and you stand out because you like to confirm things for yourself without letting negative comments deter you from your experimental work. At times both sides resort to sniping, name calling and sarcasm that is not constructive, it discourages those of us that may have something productive to contribute. Yet you remain open minded to glean what you can from both sides, bravo! Kudos to woopy too! You can't beat hands-on experimental work to learn while enjoying the building experience, but even though both sides have something positive to contribute you do sometimes have to filter out the unproductive background noise.
I'm encouraged by your open and objective approach to post an idea that I had which also makes use of microwave oven transformer cores and would like to know what you think. I'm attaching a drawing that I made of a QEG Experimental Test Unit to test the effects by utilizing 2 or 3 MOT cores. I think it would eliminate the flexing problem you're having while bringing it closer to the original QEG toroid design and allows use of bobbins to test with different coil configurations. One unit design requires three MOT E core pieces of the same size to maintain the same rotor dimensions and other rotor designs would only require two MOTs because one of the left over I core pieces would be used to make two variations of a rotor at the more narrow width of the I core piece. Some core machining would be required but it may be worth a try.
Also wanted to point out that James Robitaille stated in the recently posted PESN video interview at the 28:00 minute mark that he tested his QEG configuration at the lower frequencies that you're testing at but found that the QEG growled and beat itself up and he didn't think it would last so he stayed away from the low RPMs. In the QEG Taiwan Update video that was posted today at the 13:00 minute mark James Robitaille states that he is still using a primary LC capacitance of 0.125uF and achieved smooth resonance in Taiwan at a rotor RPM of 1331, he had reported that the first QEG he built back home achieved smooth resonance at 1450 RPM which he considered to be about mid power band and that the QEG will operate on harmonics.
Thanks and as lasersaber well puts it, let's keep experimenting.
Those video's are a joke..
Jbignes5:
We are going to make something perfectly clear right now.
MileHigh
Hi guys,I tend to agree to an extent and although MH and TK and some others often have valid knowledge to share and seem to want to 'protect' people from wasting money on something they believe is not free energy look at it this way. If their biggest concern is to save people from losing some money what is the other side of the coin??
can I request we take a chill pill here with the name calling on both sides of the fence. Text arguments lead nowhere. Let's stick to data, theories, experiments.
For my part I've seen no real data from FTW. Why? I have no idea but they have lost me.
The work that Luc, Laurent & Gyula are doing though is fascinating and with data. TK & MH - any chance you blokes can be a little less abrasive? I know it must be bloody frustrating when you see us preschoolers in the field make ridiculous assumptions at times but Gyula, Mags et al are able to point out our flaws with a little less ridicule :)
Guys on the FTW side of the fence any chance you can be a little less effusive & look at how Luc handles himself. It will make this thread a lot easier to read.
Thanks
"WE" is a sure sign of MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER.That was a cheap shot, that has nothing to do with science.
I tend to agree to an extent and although MH and TK and some others often have valid knowledge to share and seem to want to 'protect' people from wasting money on something they believe is not free energy look at it this way. If their biggest concern is to save people from losing some money what is the other side of the coin??
My biggest concern is that some little different combination of physical setups and/or electronics that has not been tried in just the right way will be missed, lost and forgotten forever because people were swayed to believe it wasn't worth trying. To assume that everything has been tried already is ridiculous. There is nearly an infinite combination of designs any one of which could end up breaking the damn holding back free energy. That is why I believe the people trying to save a few from what they believe is wasting time and money need to see the other side of this and realize what is most important here. If we simply go by what most engineers believe we won't even be trying to find free energy.
This is really about SAVING THE ENTIRE WORLD here from planet destroying methods now being used to generate power. So what if a few people blow their last dollars trying something that didn't work. If even one of them does work and gets into widespread use than we have saved an entire planet from eventual self destruction.
I have shown and described a form of engine invented by me, which, under the influence of an applied force such as the elastic tension of steam or a gas under pressure, yields an oscillation of constant period.
It is a well known mechanical principle that if a spring possessing a sensible inertia be brought under tension, as by being stretched, and then freed, it will perform vibrations which are isochronous, and as to period, in the main, dependent upon the rigidity of the spring, and its own inertia or that of the system of which it may form an immediate part. This is known to be true in all cases where the force which tends to bring the spring or movable system into a given position is proportionate to the displacement.
Magnetic fields consist of particles which have mechanical characteristics.
The prior teachings indicate that copper is non-magnetic and that the resulting magnetic field associated with current flow in copper is the result of the current. Those teachings are totally wrong. Copper is extremely magnetic! It is so magnetic that it deceives the observer.
Gentlemen:
I raise the issue of checking for any remnant magnetism in the setup because if there is any remnant magnetism then the setup by definition will be a generator before you even make the first test.
MileHigh
So as far as measurements go they won't really be needed once they have a fully working QEG video up it will be obvious there is free energy if it can run itself and even power one light bulb. The only need for measurement of output would be to let us know how much is available to run external devices.
He was talking 500-600 volts or more with the likely greater output power coming at 1000 to 2000 volts.
So they have a few new challenges in regards to winding insulation
are you thinking the QEG puts out power without any magnetisum?
I don't think it's the case, not from my tests device anyways.
In a recent video James Robitaille states that he tried hundreds of capacitor combinations before he achieved high voltage at high RPM resonance
Luc:
Isn't the premise for this alleged system that there are no magnets on the spinning rotor and some metal arms of the rotor pass by some coils that can be brought into resonance?
I suspect that a small amount of residual magnetism, no matter how small, will start off by inducing current to flow in the LC tank circuit. Then the presence of current flow will facilitate the passing rotor inducing even more current to flow. In other words the current flow allows the system to bootstrap itself. At resonance then the voltage amplitude can indeed get very high. This is just a theory.
One possibility is that at resonance when driving a light bulb load to high brightness (like we see in a clip), the rotor and the coils in resonance are acting like a crude inefficient transformer. It's the motor that is supplying the mechanical energy that couples into the resonant LC tank circuit that drives the load. It's just a mechanical-to-electrical transformer when you forget about the resonance.
Rfacts:
Can you provide a link to that clip? If it's a very long clip can you indicate what time in the clip he states that? It's an unusual statement so I would like to listen to it for myself.
Thanks,
MileHigh
4.) If the applied voltage is instantly removed from a coil of wire, then what happens?Neither.
Does the magnetic field merely drop to zero?
or
Does it oscillate between positive and negative polarities until it drops to zero?
“ It’s not up to us to prove the technology works, we gave it away, open sourced it, and it’s up to the engineers and the people to make it work.” HopeGirl
I rest my case. For those of you who are spending a lot of money and time on this replication, please bear in mind the plans given to you for free do not work as claimed. I wish you all the best.
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie
Through your statement is technically true, I would say that in view of the report of how the plans were hurriedly rushed out, those plans are preliminary at best. It's obvious that the omission of the rectifier in the plans was an oversight, easily accounted for.
From my investigation of James' dealings with WITTS in obtaining the information that he was able to obtain about the WITTS' QEG, it's not like like WITTS made an absolute and comprehensive full disclosure to him. As far as I can tell, James is doing the best he can in releasing what had hitherto been concealed from the general public, and for that, he has my appreciation.
The recent statements by James that the QEG is a high voltage generator is something that is amazing to me, and I'm grateful to him for letting me know that, and I hope he will continue to discover new things about the QEG and share them with us.
Regards,
VIDBID
There are two problems
1. The WITTS device never worked as claimed. I an many others I know who have visited him have never seen a convincing demonstration of the technology in the. last 10 years So there lies the real problem.
2. They claimed they had a working generator publicly many times. This is not the case.
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie
VIDBID, do you think it's ethical for someone to promote a project and solicit and collect funds for it, over a hundred thousand dollars already that we know about, based on false claims of already having a prototype that produces overunity performance? When there is absolutely no evidence that the design actually works as claimed? And even the claimants now are finding that they cannot produce the performance advertised?
Notice that this is a different question than "does it, or can it, work".
1. How are you defining the term "worked" and according to who's claim? I don't know what you or the unnamed individuals to whom you refer would consider a convincing demonstration.
The unnamed are under NDA with Witts (so will remain so). Worked means produced more output energy than input energy (direct or stored)
2. What are your criteria for a working demonstration of what you are referring to?
Measuring more output energy than input energy (simple)
3. What exactly are you referring to?
You measure the volts and amps in and measure either the mechanical or electrical energy out
4. I also believe understanding what you mean depends on how you are defining the term "working".
Working means as claimed...more energy out than in
5. Who exactly are "they" that you are referring to?
Scientist, engineers, investors and representatives for the investors
Regards,
VIDBID
So have you tested or viewed a WITTS device first hand "
Kind Regards
Mark
Did you operate and disassemble the WITTS QEG to see how it worked?
Regards,
VIDBID
It is fine to have development projects, but call them that from the start.
Kind Regards
Mark
@gotoluc
I left you a post at OUR, Maybe take a read and let me know.
Listen, this QEG is doing what? Producing volts. Just use a Tesla coil and it will do the same thing.
Basically if this QEG requires anything that will rotate, what do you think will be the outcome. Moving a piece of iron to produce an electromagnet, and then we all wonder why it seizes.
My gut tells me this is a group of people that embarked on a build, went a little overboard on costs, did not get the results and now they are trying to recoup as much as they can by convincing others to chime in with some money to get "starter plans" of something that does not work. Chime in on what?
I was in a Quebec group of motor/generator/gearing guys and we spent 250K to find out certain methods won't work. hahaha. We did not afterwards go public to offer to sell the tech slating it as "for further development".
My own hint when planning to make big builds, first establish a small R&D business. I have three companies, two that are in my specialty of water treatment and the third I use only for R&D. All my R&D expenses go into that company and the capital just grows and grows. If I close the company tomorrow, I can get 50% of the capital as personal tax credit. If I use the company to make a big profit on something (it has to be big), then after paying a corporate tax of 20% I can then take all the capital I put in right back into my pocket non-taxable. One day, if I ever decide to actually pay myself a salary for R&D, the Canadian Government will pay me back 50% of that. hahaha
The QEG will work miracles when one day, we find a way to make that piece of iron approach the MOT then disappear. But that is not possible in the foreseeable future. The only other way I can think of is explained at OUR.
The solution I am proposing to you at OUR is to try and push the idea into a more realistic and especially a more out-of-the-box approach. Imagine a huge core having a coil of 20-40 Henries or so, just moving the plate in and out not even at a very fast speed should produce some good output that could be capped and then really be usable. Is it OU, don't know but it has a much better shot at working then turning a wheel.
But as soon as you start playing the rotation game, you are stuck with the progressive rise, peak, progressive fall and during all that time, you are setting up the electromagnetic demise because the approaching iron generates the jail it then gets caught in.
The other main problem with your testing versus QEG is leverage. Since your I core is at the outside of a rotating system, a drag of 1 between the I and E core will be transfered to the motor as a drag of 10 (as an example). So just a slight seizing at the outer end of the rotation will produce great drag force on the motor. That's leverage and the way it is set-up, it is working against you.
The QEG on the other hand has the rotor plates close to the shaft so the reverse leverage from drag will still be felt but not as much as your system. It will however suffer from lower rotor plate speed across the stator plates. This is because at a fixed RPM, a large diameter wheel will provide more end speed then a smaller diameter wheel. So the QEG only had one more option, increase rotation speed, but as you increase rotation speed, if you do not increase the applied horsepower as well, you now will have much less torque. So this game has been played and played and played for so many years and people forget to consider all the chips on the table before placing a bet. They think they are doing something new, spend the bucks, then cry to mommy when it all goes south.
But whatever you do man, I am always loving every minute of it because I appreciate your genuine effort to help the world, like many of us here. Pure intent is what you exude when you are authentic. And, it does not hurt to have friends that check your back. hahaha
The pick up coil wants to see change. Change occurs when the iron plate approaches and it also occurs when it backs away. The small instant of no movement is what I would be interested in that you cannot produce when rotating. hehehe
wattsup
I believe that somebody asked about QEG caps: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/qeg-parts-tools/113-qeg-capacitors (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/qeg-parts-tools/113-qeg-capacitors)
In some of my research, I have found some interesting material.
I don't know if I'm reading this article by Sterling Allan correctly but it seems to me from what I read (and I could be wrong about that) that Mr. Dansie doesn't believe that motor-generators are capable of overunity, that, essentially, they are all bogus? Please correct me if I am wrong about that.
http://freeenergynews.com/SmartScarecrow/2013/12/12/ (http://freeenergynews.com/SmartScarecrow/2013/12/12/)
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Congress:Former_Member:Mark_Anthony_Dansie (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Congress:Former_Member:Mark_Anthony_Dansie)
Regards,
VIDBID
For those of you who are spending a lot of money and time on this replication, please bear in mind the plans given to you for free do not work as claimed. I wish you all the best.
Having spend nearly 10 years and taking up to 40 plus flights a year assessing these devices and claims, I actually tend to think it is less likely as time goes on. My journey has taken me to [color=#0081BD !important][/color] locations around the world and the testing, investigating of over 100 devices. Several associates and friends have done as much if not more as I, and reached the same conclusion.
could you please share how many device you have been up close to to form your opinion?(http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/huh.gif)
Of course, all are eager to begin experimentationThe fact that Hope Girl and team don't have one going should send up a lot of caution flags. I always find it curious when people talk of suppressed free energy schemes that they know about. If someone knows about them and talks about them in public then they haven't been suppressed very well, and there shouldn't be any technical reason keeping one from replicating the supposed working technologies. As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones. If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?
with this device and concept but only those who
are able financially and have adequate technical
resources to conduct meaningful research and
development should be engaged at the present time.
Until there is a solid understanding of how the device
actually works and all of its operational parameters
the prospects for success will be greatly limited.
Then you must have come to realize that you're
looking in the wrong places; you've been following
false claims and perhaps disinfo operatives.
Unfortunately, the vast majority are not yet privy to
look in the right places. You've perhaps heard that
there are "black ops" programs (mostly military) which
are decades or even a century or more advanced than
the technologies which are available for public
consumption. It is true.
While I cannot provide specifics to satisfy your curiosity
I can only assure all that the technologies exist as highly
classified and tightly controlled programs.
How quickly they are revealed to the people and made
available for general use is dependent upon how rapidly
world conditions deteriorate as the warring factions
prepare for the next large scale conflict.
The technologies are presently the possession of a small
group of "elites" who are reserving them for their own
uses.
Until then we can only continue as we've been doing.
The fact that Hope Girl and team don't have one going should send up a lot of caution flags.
I always find it curious when people talk of suppressed free energy schemes that they know about.
If someone knows about them and talks about them in public then they haven't been suppressed very well
and there shouldn't be any technical reason keeping one from replicating the supposed working technologies.
As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones.
If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?
The fact that Hope Girl and team don't have one going should send up a lot of caution flags. I always find it curious when people talk of suppressed free energy schemes that they know about. If someone knows about them and talks about them in public then they haven't been suppressed very well, and there shouldn't be any technical reason keeping one from replicating the supposed working technologies. As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones. If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?
As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones. If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?
Those are interesting quotes by MarkDansie that you have there, but I was unable to locate them with a search engine.
Where did you find them?
Could I have a link?
From the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE , they have something going, but we need to look at the data, but unless I'm mistaken, there was talk of a 10 kW output.The hour long internal conference from Korea? indicated that they did not actually make that work. Hope Girl has declared that they don't need to and suggests that they do not want to show a working unit.
If something has been successfully suppressed then the public would never know about it. Yet, over and over again we hear stories of supposedly wonderful inventions suppressed by the gov't or PTB or whoever, but none of the people who report these suppressed devices can actually back up the stories with any actual proof of a device that works. These suppression tales are like the "big one that got away".
Why is that? I mean somebody has to know about them, right?
Many humans are story tellers. The difference between a story and reality is evidence. These suppression stories routinely lack evidence.
Well, human beings are traffickers of information, and what is supposed to be secret is bound to get out sometime, isn't it?
It requires a lot of material. Building a working one requires skills no one has: Altering electromagnetics.
I doubt there are many people who could actually build a QEG in their basement, and the building of a QEG does require some advanced technical skills, doesn't it?
Why on earth would a military spend $100/ gallon to move fuel if it had "century ahead" free energy technology? If one has enough energy, one can suck CO2 and H2O out of the air and make liquid fuels on the spot for those archaic current technology machines that still use liquid fuels instead of free energy directly.
I don't know if that analogy is applicable in this particular case.
Lots of advanced technology is classified. It does not prevent us from noticing when older technology does and does not get replaced. When older technology stays in place, it is a safe bet that there is not a new and better technology to replace it.
If the military was using a type of free energy technology, wouldn't that be classified?
Again, look at what gets replaced.
How would you know that it even existed?
Sure and just to pull the wool over everyone's eyes they keep using the old stuff and subject convoys to great risk. May I interest you in some ocean front land in Florida?
How do you know that they're not? I mean they could be using them in secret, right?
You said that before. There are huge contracts and RFQs out there for energy efficiency and mobility. Those contracts and RFQs would not exist if the military and elites had these claimed miracle energy technologies.
I mean their use in the military would be classified, wouldn't it?
Regards,
VIDBID
SeaMonkey: Thanks for the usual sales pitch for the End of the World. The End Times and the clash between the Evil Cabal and the Forces of Good and the billions of people that get wiped out and the Rebirth. Of course the Evil Cabal has these devices. Not to mention the permanent magnet motors that run all their submarines.
The hour long internal conference from Korea?
indicated that they did not actually make that work.
Hope Girl has declared that they don't need to and suggests that they do not want to show a working unit.
If something has been successfully suppressed then the public would never know about it.
Yet, over and over again we hear stories of supposedly wonderful inventions suppressed by the gov't or PTB or whoever,
but none of the people who report these suppressed devices can actually back up the stories with any actual proof of a device that works.
These suppression tales are like the "big one that got away".
Many humans are story tellers.
The difference between a story and reality is evidence.
These suppression stories routinely lack evidence.
It requires a lot of material.
Building a working one requires skills no one has: Altering electromagnetics.
Why on earth would a military spend $100/ gallon to move fuel if it had "century ahead" free energy technology?
If one has enough energy, one can suck CO2 and H2O out of the air and make liquid fuels on the spot for those archaic current technology machines that still use liquid fuels instead of free energy directly.
Lots of advanced technology is classified.
It does not prevent us from noticing when older technology does and does not get replaced.
When older technology stays in place, it is a safe bet that there is not a new and better technology to replace it.
Again, look at what gets replaced.
Sure and just to pull the wool over everyone's eyes they keep using the old stuff and subject convoys to great risk.
May I interest you in some ocean front land in Florida?
You said that before.
There are huge contracts and RFQs out there for energy efficiency and mobility.
Those contracts and RFQs would not exist if the military and elites had these claimed miracle energy technologies.
The patent you mention and the device you are describing are significantly different from what is presented in James' manual for the QEG. I would expect that the device you are talking about and James' QEG operate under different principles. The device you mention may drive current and or flux around the toroid, although it seems to me it would do so without parametric excitation of the stators inductance value.
@gotoluc
About your 1 watt OU testing,
the best spinning sphere magnet I have ever seen was on youtube, a guy showing a sphere magnet rotating inside a Rodin coil. That magnet was turning so damn fast. So this proves to us that a Rodin coil produces a great rotating impulse matrix inside the donut hole.
alternator stator wants is to see is a nice rotating field inside of its hole. hint hint
wattsup
Hi wattsup,
thanks for the details.
Today I was able to confirm there is not a 1 watt gain in my solid state version of the QEG. Ended up I had to use a wheel utility power meter to confirm. Good thing I was using 60Hz and 240vac.
About the Rodin coil idea. Don't you think the ball magnet RPM will be too high of a frequency for the steel lamination of a car Alternator?... also, why would you think the ball magnet rotation won't be affected by Lenz once the Alt. coil are under load?
Thank for sharing
Luc
Lets say we negate the possibility of any field in the cores and are null of magnetic field. Unless possibly Earths field has a part in it.(Rotate the box in different directions to find out?) If the thought of just the changing value of inductance is the effect producer, then there is another way of changing the inductance other than changing the core values as Luc has demonstrated.
Say we have a mot, uncut, and then apply switching on and off across the primary coil. lol, sounds nuts and probably not even worth trying by anyone that read this, but by shorting and opening the primary winding, you are very effectively changing the actual inductance of the secondary. So in a way, testing this out may possibly show if just the change in inductance is the real root of it all? lol Still sounds nuts to me, but I had to put it out there. :o
So I suppose the proposed test would involve switching between short and open of the primary at a particular freq, sweeping to find resonance. ??? I would recommend cutting the cap off the transformer and remount it with an insulated spacer, to keep the core open(gapped), just as Lucs core always is more or less as it spins, except for when it goes BVVVVP! That sound reminds me of the loud 60hz hum of an outside hv power line that goes to ground or to another phase line. BVVVP! ;D Just about exactly like that is how Lucs box sounds.
I was reading a bit on magnetic amplifiers before this post and the thought came to me.
Like who would even think of such a thing? ;) Magnutty :o , thats who. ;D
Now that would be clear and 'easy' free energy if it worked. ;)
Magnutts :o
Lets say we negate the possibility of any field in the cores and are null of magnetic field. Unless possibly Earths field has a part in it.(Rotate the box in different directions to find out?) If the thought of just the changing value of inductance is the effect producer, then there is another way of changing the inductance other than changing the core values as Luc has demonstrated.
Say we have a mot, uncut, and then apply switching on and off across the primary coil. lol, sounds nuts and probably not even worth trying by anyone that read this, but by shorting and opening the primary winding, you are very effectively changing the actual inductance of the secondary. So in a way, testing this out may possibly show if just the change in inductance is the real root of it all? lol Still sounds nuts to me, but I had to put it out there. :o
So I suppose the proposed test would involve switching between short and open of the primary at a particular freq, sweeping to find resonance. ??? I would recommend cutting the cap off the transformer and remount it with an insulated spacer, to keep the core open(gapped), just as Lucs core always is more or less as it spins, except for when it goes BVVVVP! That sound reminds me of the loud 60hz hum of an outside hv power line that goes to ground or to another phase line. BVVVP! ;D Just about exactly like that is how Lucs box sounds.
I was reading a bit on magnetic amplifiers before this post and the thought came to me.
Like who would even think of such a thing? ;) Magnutty :o , thats who. ;D
Now that would be clear and 'easy' free energy if it worked. ;)
Magnutts :o
Hey Mags,
I forgot to mention something that may help this magnet flux question.
I was doing more tests on trying to find a different resonating cap value on the high voltage coil and found one that was giving a small rise in voltage, then for some reason I shorted both the low voltage coils and instantly the voltage rise fell to nothing and would not climb back.
Would this not confirm that a magnetic flux was present in the cores until I neutralized it by shorting?
Luc
Hey Mags,
I forgot to mention something that may help this magnet flux question.
I was doing more tests on trying to find a different resonating cap value on the high voltage coil and found one that was giving a small rise in voltage, then for some reason I shorted both the low voltage coils and instantly the voltage rise fell to nothing and would not climb back.
Would this not confirm that a magnetic flux was present in the cores until I neutralized it by shorting?
Luc
Well at least this thread is not going off in as many random directions as the Akula 30 watt generator thread.Maybe but they are fun to play with :)
Nonetheless, for Wattsup: The Rodin coil is just electronics quackery. There is no vortex, it doesn't do anything special at all.
MileHigh
Lol, I said all that and neglected the flux question... ::)
Well it seems we have to operate at resonance of the LC in order to get any output at all. In your setup, if you remove the capacitor then adjust your scope to a more sensitive level, then if you see 'any' output, even tiny, I would say there may be some week field in the core, and when you do set up the LC for resonance, it is a very pronounced resonance. very. ;) Nice big fat resonance affect compared to ordinary 'generator'' action using even a very weak field in the core, shown by looking at the sec without the cap, having no resonance advantages.
Did you try the compass tests I mentioned earlier? I think it was yesterday.
Mags
JohanHi Chet,
Thanks for posting your "old" experiment.
It would seem you have achieved results that show OU?
Chet
jbignes5,
I spent some time thinking about that patent you mentioned. I have seen that one years ago when I first started looking into Tesla stuff. The working principle there is rather simple. It would be a lot easier to understand or at least visualize if 4 permanent magnets were used instead of the four coils on the stator, and then one belt was use to turn the stator, and another belt was use to turn the rotor. If the belts were turning the two pieces in opposite directions at the same speed, then the effective rotational speed between the two part would be twice the physical speed of each one. That's the idea of how Tesla was able to generator the equivalent output of higher speed generators with lower speed ones. Tesla used one more level of complexity than what I described, in that he electrically rotated the pole of the stator coils with an AC generator he called an exciter.
I having trouble understanding just what you mean by impulse, and how that fits into Tesla's electric dynamo.
Farmhand,
It's good to see you in on this one. How's things going on the other forum?
Larry, what does it mean that " we dont have units for powering homes yet " ?????
The top news asociated with QEG prototype is a free 10 kw device !!!!
if thats true we got a home powering unit !!!
I know this is off topic a bit but please watch this video of a real explanation that describes the Universe we live in. This is so close to the truth we must understand this completely.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EguwaPRmamY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EguwaPRmamY)
Cool lecture, jbig. Thanks for the link. :)
If you use magnets in any other section of that patent then you loose the loop effect. This would destroy the concept. Tesla had this patent as the AC system he HAD designed. It was an improvement to that system as the text of the patent reads. The rotational fields can be simply adjusted by the wind direction which can be set to rotate in opposite direction the prime mover rotates PLUS the loop can be self maintained in that way. Also the belt was a pony break and he notes that this system was quite impossible to stop but there were limits to this. Those limits are the physical wire itself. Go beyond the current capability or the insulation and poof it would break.
When the patent is adopted to a single shaft it creates a self pumping loop which you can harvest the extra current for use in the prime mover and additional loads via a transformer. The belt again was used to check the motor and increase the current in the rotor coils. What if you connected the belt to a transmission? Hmmm... This is where I connected this to the Pierce arrow experiment.
This dynamo seems to me to be a straight forward alternator with electrically rotated stator poles that can be used to increase or decrease the effective rotation speed of the armature. What do you mean by loop effect?
If one rotates a movable stator with magnets physically, or the pole of fixed stator electrically the effect would be the same, provided the the strength of the magnets and the strength of the coils were the same.
Where does Tesla claim the device is practically impossible to stop, in the patent or somewhere else?
What so you mean by adopting the device to a single shaft? What exactly would be attached to that shaft?
Also as I understand the Tesla's Pierce Arrow, there was an antenna and have a dozen tubes of some sort. Are you trying to imply this dynamo was responsible for part or all the the self-sustaining operation of the vehicle?
WITTS broadcast tonight:
"Fix The World organization has been making progress with their QEG (quantum energy generator) project. Although the machine is capable of producing significant electrical power without a conventional fuel source, there are safety considerations that builders may not be aware of. Energy being derived with these types of devices is not only electrons like most engineers are familiar, but include other particles and fields not commonly taught in conventional electrical theory. In addition to high voltages being generated, dominant energy systems can manifest large quantum energy pulses showing up at a distance which could cause fires or harm electronic equipment. WITTS Ministries advises experimenters to exercise extreme caution and urges serious engineers to consider taking a few classes before working at significant power levels. Sir T will have more information on this week's broadcast."
http://www.witts.ws/ (http://www.witts.ws/)
The book Cold war Secrets i believe has the story about the motors he was developing and had Westinghouse produce them for him. And yes this was all together one unit.
Bullshit meter pegged here, they want to cash in as well lol
This is hilarious
Will it ever end?
Just Like John R , Brady and many others they will milk the gullible as long as possible.
Any chance WITTS will show a verifiable working model its only been 20 years lol?
Mark
Bullshit meter pegged here, they want to cash in as well lol
WITTS Ministries advises experimenters to exercise extreme caution and urges serious engineers to consider taking a few classes before working at significant power levels.
People often seem to have trouble understanding the nature of resonance and tank circuits. More specifically how voltages and currents can rise numerous orders of magnitude within tank circuits as resonance is approached and how tanks circuits can store a surprising about of energy once in resonance, which can then be drawn off in small portions while the system remains in continuous operation. The fact remains though, that one has to put energy in before one can take it out, and one can only take out as much as was put in minus resistive losses.
That suggests a measurement: When the QEG is resonating at a very high voltage without being connected to a load, how much power burn-off does that represent? You can measure the DC resistance of your coil or coils, so you are poised to make that extremely important measurement.
MileHigh
Yes. I've been reflecting on the insulation breakdown in Taiwan. A repeat of that could be avoided by adding some additional resistance in the HV primary circuit to limit current and dissipate some energy, or the gap of the spark gap could be reduced to limit the HV in the primary by another method. Building up insulation around the core is sound, although limiting voltages and currents to known safe levels is always good practice too.
Impulse technology does not conform to your Laws.
If you can't read then maybe you can get it in preread recording..
Farmhand,
It's good to see you in on this one. How's things going on the other forum?
I've been reflecting on the insulation breakdown in Taiwan.
Read this ok High boy....
http://borderlandresearch.com/book/secrets-cold-war-tech/chapter-1 (http://borderlandresearch.com/book/secrets-cold-war-tech/chapter-1)
Read it all then re read it a few more times. Impulse technology does not conform to your Laws. But then again why would you know anything about it at all? If you can't read then maybe you can get it in preread recording.. Learn something new ok...
I'm in a self imposed exile (forum wise) for a while, I recognized that I was getting obsessive with a certain project and I decided I needed to step back and clear my mind while I take care of some non related stuff and allow others to work on without any distraction from me. My gut told me I was missing something and I needed to step back and let my inspirations hit me rather than chase after it. I'm also kinda stuck in a position where I want to build some mechanical things with some engineering accuracy, but it's a bad time for me, too much to do and no time to think deeply.
I have plans for projects but they require parts made by machining. I intend to go back to building things for love of building, when I post about what I do it distracts my thinking due to the conversations I get into.
Cheers
News about the QEG:Man who could have seen that coming... *ducks*
Only about 420 Watts Output while putting in 1 KW ....
Output is only about 200 Volts AC and 2.1 Amps ...
Was expected by me..the whole thing looks like a big donation scam..pretty sad.. http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf)
News about the QEG:
Only about 420 Watts Output while putting in 1 KW ....
Output is only about 200 Volts AC and 2.1 Amps ...
Was expected by me..the whole thing looks like a big donation scam..pretty sad.. http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf)
Jbignes5:
There is no such thing as "impulse technology." You are just buying into some BS.
There is this: [Signal] --> [Circuit] --> [Response]
The "signal" could be a sine wave, a triangle wave, exponential waveform, pure DC, a pulse train, whatever. Notice that includes your "impulse technology."
It's all perfectly well understood and analyzed through and through.
Here is a link for you:
http://books.google.ca/books/about/Advanced_Engineering_Mathematics.html?id=UnN8DpXI74EC&redir_esc=y (http://books.google.ca/books/about/Advanced_Engineering_Mathematics.html?id=UnN8DpXI74EC&redir_esc=y)
I advise you to stop that and keep the thread civil.
MileHigh
News about the QEG:
Only about 420 Watts Output while putting in 1 KW ....
Output is only about 200 Volts AC and 2.1 Amps ...
Was expected by me..the whole thing looks like a big donation scam..pretty sad.. http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf)
This is the only book that I bought in the authors substantial output and will be the only one. It suffers from one basic flaw and that is simply put, the author does not give one, not one single source for any claim made on any page in the book. In the back of the book is a bibliography. In this he quotes from FIVE of his own books, the Vril Compendium Series. So, the reader of Lost Science has to then hope that those books will have some sources, etc. Take for example the material on T.T. Brown. When he writes with great certainty the events he says happened to Brown he does not give a source.
Lets say we negate the possibility of any field in the cores and are null of magnetic field. Unless possibly Earths field has a part in it.(Rotate the box in different directions to find out?) If the thought of just the changing value of inductance is the effect producer, then there is another way of changing the inductance other than changing the core values as Luc has demonstrated.
Agree. Nowhere in the pdf did it say they were using 1KW input on that situation. But another quote from the pdf : "-we are about a day and 1/2 from having a self-running QEG in Taiwan - we'll have a video after that. "
Are you saying you built it or taking numbers out of context from the link you posted?
Agree. Nowhere in the pdf did it say they were using 1KW input on that situation. But another quote from the pdf : "-we are about a day and 1/2 from having a self-running QEG in Taiwan - we'll have a video after that. "
I'd give 'em 5 days.
What about a vortex? When you do the vector addition in your head, do you get a vortex or not?
The Rodin coil is several coils in one, each coil goes around and over several times over the stator, put all the coils together and you do start to produce a turning impress. There is no cancellation and no crossing wires.
@MH
Why are you talking about a Starship coil? And why do I have to get something in my head? Because you said so? That's coming on kind of strong there man.
The Rodin coil is several coils in one, each coil goes around and over several times over the stator, put all the coils together and you do start to produce a turning impress. There is no cancellation and no crossing wires. Call it vortex, call it spinning field, call it what you want, who cares about the name. As long as a pulse can move successively around the inside wall of an alternator, that is exactly the idea.
Whatever it is, it seems like a sphere magnet really likes it. So why not a stator that just loves the same thing. Might require stouter wire and like I explained, it may require a ramping up to get it going and surely there is R&D involved. I think I portrayed the idea as realistically as possible. I will try it eventually but these days my bench is kind of full.
He stated that the wire has to be changing in diameter through each winding
Again lets wait before you give judgement of a field of work that you have no education in or even the first clue about.
F_Brown,
Your clips are very nicely done. Note that Marko Rodin and the QEG team make similar claims that quantum or some kind of zero point energy enters the coil. There is a clip from a few years ago where Marko rather smugly claims that his coil will solve the world's energy problems. How long have people been playing with Rodin coils now, perhaps five or more years?
Suppose you do a real "Black Box" experiment. You put a Rodin coil inside a shoe box and a regular cylindrical coil inside another shoe box. Each box has two terminal posts. How do you check if what's in the shoe box is a regular coil or a Rodin coil?
The answer is that you can't, they both will behave approximately the same. And therein lies the problem with the Rodin coil. It's a farce. Plus I bet you that Marko Rodin can't even tell you how a coil actually works. When people do the "speaker" test and put a magnet on top of the coil to turn it into a speaker when they excite the coil, they are demonstrating something that has absolutely nothing to do with the coil itself.
Transformers for low frequency power applications or for high frequency radio and signal processing applications have been around for a long time. If there was some sort of "magic secret sauce" it would have been found about 100 years ago. It would not have been the WITTS group or the QEG group that "discovered" something.
I read that HopeGirl, Naima Feagin, is married to the lead engineer on the project, James Robitaille. So between "Fix the World" and the QEG and the crowd funding and all the different variations thereof, don't be surprised if there are more than 100 "Donate" buttons that go into their portfolio of Paypal accounts. That sounds like a two-year paid vacation in the making to me.
If the main claim is that when the QEG is at resonance that quantum energy is magically injected into the core then it won't happen. A resonating LC circuit and the real quantum energy that physicists research and study have nothing to do with each other.
MileHigh
@F_Brown
Thanks for your three videos on the Rodin. Also the little discussion of black holes is interesting. I can provide you with my own take on black holes of which I do not consider a Rodin to be anywhere near this type of level.
My take on the black holes, universe thing can be found here in case there is interest.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/theoreticals/ (http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/theoreticals/)
Your description of the two conductor Rodin, pulse one tank the other is not what I have in mind. Once the Rodin is in place over an alternator stator, it will be pulsed to the resonance of the stator. This is where I have never seen a Rodin being used. The frequency will be much higher since of course the Rodin will not be able to work at the low rotary alternator frequencies that have drag pushing the effect to high amperage. This would be virtually initiated so lighter impress but higher frequency to try and push the effect.
Eventually I will build this and test it out.
wattsup
Hi Stefan,
I looked through the Q & A link you posted but could not find where they say the input is 1KW
Luc
JL Naudin looked into the vortex stuff some time ago:
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/torsion.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/torsion.htm)
It's all interesting, although he stopped short of taking it to a useful point.
If this QEG proves to be a dud, I've been wondering what the Taiwanese are going to do to them. They're kind of stuck there until they let them out.I am a frequent visitor to Taiwan, they are a good country and good people. They are not being held and will leave eventually when their hosts kind of figure out they have been had. i do not think they will be in any through or danger, but will not be welcome back. I think it will be a big embarrassment for the Taiwan Company and Chinese , they will be in damage control.
Jbignes5:
You have to learn to debate without throwing a hissy fit. The facts as far as we know right now are that there is no tangible concrete proof that the QEG is real. The facts are that quantum energy and a resonating coil on a macro scale have nothing to do with each other. The facts are that the only way to get power out of a coil is to have changing magnetic flux inside the coil. The facts are that it takes real tangible electric power to create changing magnetic flux inside a coil. Alternatively it takes real tangible mechanical power moving a magnet past a coil to create changing magnetic flux inside a coil.
You are the one speculating (or throwing BS) when you say this, "If you have matter and it is in the quantum realm as atoms are then it has access to all the energy of the quantum world right? If energy could be imparted to the matter then it must come from what connects everything. Learning how to access this energy is the trick."
That's all just pure speculation on your part. The answer to our energy problems or the question about the validity of the QEG is not found by linking to a New Age YouTube clip or by singing Kumbaya around a campfire.
You are talking about yourself in the above statement.
Like it or not, many of us are fed up with "quantum plays" and "resonance plays" when it comes to alleged systems that are supposed to produce free energy. Don't be surprised if the news gets bleaker and gloomier for the QEG proposition as time goes on. That's my speculation and I have been correct in the past when it comes to things like this.
If that scenario turns out to indeed be true, then what are you left with? The answer is money in various Paypal accounts where the owners of those Paypal accounts are accountable to nobody.
MileHigh
While we are on the subject of bad behaviors and tactics, lets look at yours and others.
Mark Dansie: "[size=78%] I am more concerned about the good people of Morocco who will be left with a non working devcie.[/size]Meantime HopeGirl orders anotehr martini at 30,000 ft lol" Seculation and out right lie. Non factual
I am finally disconnecting from this forum. It is a choice I am forced to do. Not because of some of the other great thinkers and doers here but because I can not stand the bad taste I get from seeing posts like you and others have forced upon us here. I have my course already set and I am not going to deviate from that now.
And this is why we have ignored this Electric field for over 100 years.
Now resonance is a process of selective openness. This means it has been designed to be more open on one small band. It rejects or filters a good amount of the rest of the band and in this process it amplifies the selected band through resonance.
@ GOtoluc
Luc ,I want to ask your opinion on your earlier test with the MOT s and the rotating end plates.
If there was no issue with added motor load and slapping of the end plate on the core do you think that it could have generated usable power?
Vince
@gotoluc
About the solenoid, I decided to save hassles and did a quick test myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD-m0ujg88U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD-m0ujg88U)
Basically there is no effect worth mentioning. I could only pulse the thing up to around 9Hz - hehehe - that was lame but fun to do anyways. I needed a break from my FTPU studies. At least that is coming along well and I have learned so much with the FTPU.
I could see on the scope some peaks that were pretty good but no output to talk about. Just not fast enough. This would require something with much more speed like a small motor turning a camshaft or an off centered wheel type arrangement and much more precision worksmanship then my hastily made set-up.
So back to my bench and more FTPUing.
wattsup
PS: Now lets see, an alternator coil and a Rodin coil. Hmmmmmm.
The value I got for the recirculating energy in my tank sim is so close to what James is claiming as peak output, that I'm getting the impression that James reported the value of the recirculating energy in the tank circuit as dissipated energy in the output load of the circuit. Perhaps he is thinking of this as "generated energy." A trained engineer would simply know better than to make that mistake.
F_Brown,
Somewhere in the FTQ/HopeGirl online information they state that James M. Robitaille's name is on about 20 patents related to his working career.
For starters, I don't know if he truly is an engineer. Does he have his diploma and is he a member of the engineering governing body in the United States, I don't know. That is to be determined.
With respect to his name being on about 20 patents, in many cases there is a team of people that get their name on a patent. It's actually the company's patent because when you work for a high tech company you typically sign an agreement where you give up any intellectual property that you develop over to your employer.
So, that means that James M. Robitaille did not necessarily develop the IP that went into the 20 or more patents. He could have just been a bench technician that assisted the lead engineer or engineers on a given project.
I am just making it clear that until definitive information about his credentials or lack or credentials comes forth, then don't assume anything.
MileHigh
I think it was in the SA interview, that it was stated he was a "self taught" engineer.
TK,I think that the primary concern is how fast and accurately they can target and disable fast moving, close-in threats. Missiles can't both go really fast, and turn tight arcs.
In a slightly related matter, recently I saw somewhere that the US Navy is going in the direction of "Star Wars." For short to medium range defense of ships they are going to use pulsed LASERs. It only costs about a buck worth of energy to deliver a lethal pulse of light at an incoming hostile aircraft. So instead of lobbing a half-million-dollar missile at the threat they will punch a hole into it with a LASER.
I saw how the US Navy just launched a brand new very stealthy destroyer, the USS Zumwalt. I bet you it has the pulsing LASERs...
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/04/15/orig-jag-uss-zumwalt.cnn.html
MileHigh
You can get criminally prosecuted if you try to claim that you are an engineer when you aren't one. If you are an ethical person you don't call yourself an engineer, even in passing, if you don't have your diploma and your papers.The regulations vary state by state. In order to set-up shop as an engineer for hire, one usually needs to be a registered, or professional engineer. That requires having the appropriate degree and passing an examination. However, in many states, one can be employed as an engineer without any particular documentation. Only a small percentage of working engineers obtain certifications as professional engineers.
MileHigh
In my model I1 is being used to drive the tank circuit, and B1 is being used to add some noise into the circuit. Since the Inductor has 50 ohms of DC resistance it is dissipating energy. The cap is also dissipating some energy although I set it's equivalent series resistance at 100 milli-ohms so that dissipation negligible.
I am sure that the energy dissipated by the inductor is equal to the energy being added to the circuit by the current source driving the circuit, I1.
The value I got for the recirculating energy in my tank sim is so close to what James is claiming as peak output, that I'm getting the impression that James reported the value of the recirculating energy in the tank circuit as dissipated energy in the output load of the circuit. Perhaps he is thinking of this as "generated energy." A trained engineer would simply know better than to make that mistake.
By the way this recirculating energy is what Joseph Newman was showing people. He would say look, I turn the machine on and in just a few seconds it generates all this energy. The problem is he failed to ever demonstrate a way to get the energy out of the machine on a continuous basis to do something useful. It was Senator John Glenn that finally put him on the spot, and showed Newman's claim to be false.
In a slightly related matter, recently I saw somewhere that the US Navy is going in the direction of "Star Wars."
You must inform the children of the world that this death and destruction is the plan of the evil world leaders, who are going about their demonically influenced ways to subjugate all of you even further than they have already done, and once again, they are planning on unleashing the instruments of death and destruction from their past wars, as well as dangerous new and more technologically advanced weapons, including weapons that have not yet been made known to you.
MilesHigh,
After some reflecting on the phasing dots this morning I realized that if the coils were arranged in bucking configuration, then when the rotor is in between poles, the coils will cancel out, and when the rotor is aligned with a pole, the flux will then flow though the rotor, allowing the magnetic field in each half of the stator as divided by the rotor to flow in opposite directions.
This would sort of be similar to what would happen in a typical EI core, if the windings were wound on the out side legs instead of the middle one. Also for this arrangement to work in the QEG I would expect the rotor to have twice the cross-sectional area of the stator, as the middle leg of an EI core does compared to the outside legs.
Additionally I got LTSpice to calculate a time varying value of inductance, although the resulting model fails to drive the tank circuit into significant oscillation. Also with the time varying inductance there is a loss of a single sharp resonant peak in the system.
SPICE is just the wrong application to model this device, because it fails to model the flux gating of the core. What is needed is a magnetic modeling application that can also handle circuity. Do we have anyone skilled in the art or magnetic modeling in the house?
Anyway, with the time varying value of inductance, I set it for 15H +/- 5H, I found that the main resonance which was only slightly dominant shifted from 411 Hz to 1328 Hz. I change the capacitance value to 11 nano-farads and that brought the main resonance to 400 Hz. Then varying the inductance value at 400 Hz failed to drive the tank into significant oscillation, see attached images.
After some reflecting on the phasing dots this morning I realized that if the coils were arranged in bucking configuration, then when the rotor is in between poles, the coils will cancel out, and when the rotor is aligned with a pole, the flux will then flow though the rotor, allowing the magnetic field in each half of the stator as divided by the rotor to flow in opposite directions.
Hello everybody,
I've been extensively studying the QEG User Manual and reading the Tesla Patent (511.916). Has anyone else actually read this patent? I don't understand how the QEG achieves its over unity effect (or COP>1 performance). This specific Tesla patent only describes a resonant transformer type of generator with a to-and-fro moving core which "someone" (James? WITTS?) has cleverly transformed into a rotational device. Good thinking! But there is no COP>1 performance here yet.
I think that the exciter coil is a crucial part for the COP>1 performance (though I can't see one in the WITTS videos). Now the QEG user manual states:
In the QEG, the exciter coil is used to provide a conduction path through the quantum field (zero point) into the generator core. This has the effect of polarizing the core, which increases power output over time.
This doesn't clarify anything to me. I understand clearly that the "classic" Maxwell-Heaviside-Lorentz EM theory is so heavily curtailed that it is incapable of accurately describing what's happening here. I suspect that the vector potential (A) and/or the scalar potential (Phi) generated by the exciter coil plays an important role here.
Who can shine some light on this important matter?
A thorough understanding of the topics you discuss in regards to how the QEG actually works is still being worked on! There are plenty of theories, with many of them being discussed on this forum, but until the machine is replicated, and all of the details figured out, I don't think anyone will have solid answers to your questions. Once there are multiple working copies of the generator we will have scientific and engineering types providing all of the measurements and theories based on actual observations that everyone has been clamoring for. Remember, the QEG is still in its infancy and will take some time to mature. There were some audio recordings posted today by Shean in which the developer of the QEG discusses various details of its operation that you may want to give a listen to.
Best Regards,
Larry
I wouldn't think they wanted the rotor to saturate like that, particularly since it should be running at much higher power levels, more like these shots if you go by what they're saying.
They're saying 24,000 volts on that primary, I don't even see how that is possible, could only be peek and very very briefly.
My model shows 50 amps dc is 1800 volts and 45k watts, you can't get much more than about 11 amps through a 20 awg winding without burning it up. http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm) These shots show 50 amps going through, it is so saturated nothing even goes through the rotor and there would be zero output on the secondary as a result of the rotor turning.
But if we clean this up with an appropriately sized rotor this might be a very interesting generator, because it seems quite possible to time the pulsing of the entire system such that there is very little lenz drag on the rotor.
DC Will pump more current though the windings than AC will. At 400 Hz my simple tank model was showing about 650mA when the peak voltage on the primary was about 25kV. Can you run your sim at 400 Hz and a peak current of 650mA and see what happens?
The new images seem to show aiding configuration of windings rather than bucking. Did you change that or is that a result of the higher current?
since the experimental results were disappointing, no final report was ever produced.
This one is hard to build and will take at least 100 hours to finish it, but in my point of view is worthful to try.. Anyway, I'm here to learn and if this generator works, this will be great, if not I'm sure that I'll improve my knowledge...
Cheers
Ariovaldo
WOW Ariovaldo... you have a lot of courage and patience.You are right about courage an patience, but it is ok.
All the best to you in your tests
Luc
F_Brown,
Is it possible to simulate the attached circuit in your FEMM?
GL.
F_Brown,
Nice job on the simulation,
Of course you had to scale the current and turns too.
can you say what your primary and secondary numbers are at 400hz?
Thanks.
Since I am just learning FEMM at the moment, I lack the ability to integrate circuit analysis with magnetic analysis in FEMM or if that's even possible. I could make a pure SPICE model of your device. You know when using cut cores like that, the coils are usually put on the straight sections of the cores for two reasons: One it's more difficult to put windings on the curved portion of the cores, and two having windings over the cut sections of the cores helps to reduce magnetic fringing there.
Luc,
In general terms, that posting by Peter Lindemann is basically correct in his reasoning and discussion of what's taking place from my perspective and from what I have learned over the past week. However, where he stumbles and falls is in his claim of a COP of 1.2. Notice he doesn't give any details about what that COP 1.2 even means.
Peter will never meet a challenge when somebody wants to get into an involved discussion with him about electronics and measurements and how a circuit actually words, etc, as far as I am aware. People like Poynt99 and MarkE and PicoWatt could spin circles around Peter when it comes to electronics and measurements techniques and a whole gamut of hard core electronics and engineering stuff. Peter is a lightweight that manages to create the illusion that he is very knowledgeable.
I am being somewhat harsh because I view Peter as a "pro" just like HopeGirl and company are crowd-funded pros that are deceiving people and acting unethically while creating the pretense of ethical behaviour. Are they cons or are they clueless, I am not 100% sure. But I myself have the common sense to get an expert opinion on something that I don't know much about. I would be completely mortified to accept donations from people if I didn't know what I was doing.
So sorry to play the Bad Cop but Peter's COP 1.2 claims are junk. If what he said was true his whole team would have received the Nobel Prize.
A magnetic core in an inductor or a transformer is a lossy mechanism for storing and then recovering magnetic energy by definition. Even is it is 99.9% efficient at returning the energy that you put into it that is still lossy. There is no such thing as a magnetic core returning more than you put into it.
Why is Peter claiming COP 1.2? If you want to be really cynical you can speculate that he says that to keep the
"Peter Lindemann mystique/aura" going to keep those ticket sales high for the next Bedini/Lindemann/Aaron conference. You play the tease to keep your audience stoked for the next paid live appearance.
Just keeping it real, I hope that you understand.
MileHigh
P.S.: If any team does a faithful replication of this device the key to understanding it would be to construct a timing diagram that shows in front of your eyes how the thing works. If there truly was over unity you would literally be able to show a "slice" in a waveform on your timing diagram where the free energy was manifesting itself. The timing diagram and the associated schematic for any circuit and associated tests rules. We will see if replication teams actually start reporting their results and if any of them show any timing diagrams.
I am familiar with magnetic amplifiers. I could build a non-linear SPICE model that includes core saturation. They run quite slowly though.
If James is operating the QEG as a mag-amp, then he's using the wrong core material, because silicon steel saturates quite slowly. Mag-amps use a sharply saturating nickel-cobalt alloys to get cleaner off/on switching performance.
In order to do that in spice, with standard linear inductor models, two middle windings would be necessary one one each core that were then put in series or left open, because as far as I know in spice joining two cores with one winding is impossible, although I see what you mean now.
Also I think the proper direction for the arrow on the second core would be the other way.
F_Brown,
In my drawing, no core at all. Just coils on plastic bobbins.
So no saturation and also higher frequencies possible.
OK, it is late night here now, time for bed, nice to talk to you.
GL.
At the moment I am preparing an animation of the flux density during a full rotation of the armature.
How comes the naysayers have completely taken over this thread?
.. But this naysayer dominance is unbearable.
Well, my parents always taught me to shut my mouth, watch and learn and only write only when necessary and when it makes a difference in relaying truth. There are some people here with mile high egos who cannot stop talking, always trying so very hard to try impress others with their perceived 'knowledge' . Truth is, it's almost always the opposite. But then, this is a public forum, anyone who can type can participate. Not a lot of skill required, actually
How comes the naysayers have completely taken over this thread?Have the people promoting the QEG shown any strong evidence that it can work, or that it does? If the answer is yes, then skeptics have little room to argue. If the answer is no, then I think the problem is with promoters long on promises and short on supporting facts.
I don't know if the QEG works and what those people (3) are doing with the 100 grand fundrising cash, but one thing I know for sure:
There are many professional desinformation agents out there, making more than a 100k each one each year, only by badmouthing in the internet. Taxmoney, or from energy industrial complex, we pay it. They are getting emotional from mentioning the latest superiour weapons of the US, good patriots. Economical hitmen maybe, to secure "national security".
After investing so much in the control of oil, free energy would be rather unhandy, right?
Joe Average is my buddy, we are all Joe Average, worldwide, except for those pseudohumans.
I need an ignore button.
Nothing's for granted and time will tell what's the deal with the QEG. But this naysayer dominance is unbearable.
Hi guys.
i still dont understand, how this device should work. But i dont found any explanation of principle here or anywhere else.
My current thoughts:
If change of "flux resitance" produce energy, we can simulate that with less expensive setup without problem.
If movement(or vibration) of feromagnetic(rotor) in earth electromegnetic field can produce some energy in pickup coil, we can again replicate it will non-expensive setup.
Without knowing what we want to achive there is no point of building expensive device.
GL
Hi guys.The common sense approach. But hold on - If one has a big, expensive setup, claims loudly that it works and shouts about its benefit to all (The fact that you have no idea whether it works is irrelevant at this stage) then one can call for generous donations. There is a word that describes this approach. The word is scam.
i still dont understand, how this device should work. But i dont found any explanation of principle here or anywhere else.
My current thoughts:
If change of "flux resitance" produce energy, we can simulate that with less expensive setup without problem.
If movement(or vibration) of feromagnetic(rotor) in earth electromegnetic field can produce some energy in pickup coil, we can again replicate it will non-expensive setup.
Without knowing what we want to achive there is no point of building expensive device.
GL
Have any of you seen the new video showing the device being tuned and going into resonance, That sound is the only totally harmonic I have ever heard that makes me want to dance!!! It is pure enthusiasm and now I am very very interested in building this device.
http://pesn.com/2014/04/05/9602467_QEG-Effect_replicated_by_Taiwan-group/ (http://pesn.com/2014/04/05/9602467_QEG-Effect_replicated_by_Taiwan-group/)
So is this video showing the device putting out power or not? Looks like the team there are having success and are showing it.
I'd like to hear some more as to just what the exciter circuit is suppose to do. It's put in series with the output. Maybe that is suppose to backwards through the secondary and then affect the primaries somehow.
James said his prototype was running for 150 hours. The taiwan replication used two bulbs to indicate resonance, while the naysayers said there is Nada. How can nada power two bulbs? Suddently it is accepted to work as a generator. Then a report about COP 1.3. If so then Nobel, mh says, but tk says COP 1.3 not even worth to build. German replication 2500W out. tube. Witts vids, several.Dieter if James said that it was working for almost a week straight (150 hours vs 168 hours in a week) then surely they at least have video of that. If they had one working for so long, why is it that they were unable to reproduce?
And the Naysayers said nay from the beginning on, without to know any details... "impossible" what are you lurking around here anyway, I double: get an underunity forum and pollute it with your bad vibes. You say they did not proof anything, but in fact you did not proof any believable reason why you are here, acting as the mother of all sh!tstorms on any attempt of free energy, especially (actually ONLY) when you're afraid it could be real.
I don't know for sure if you're pseudohumans, but they do exist and they make this world a piece of crap.
Beside all technical aspects, I feel that these 3 people, James, Hopegirl and the other woman are of high integrity and said sh!tstirms that you ate so proud of, have hurt them severly. This whole thing must be a tremendous burden. And then lots of Teenies pop up and say "scam!"... what a complex intellectial analysis.
Anyway, especially that older women appears so honest and integer... It's about people. They may fail, but they are no scammers. I really hate people who got that "scam!" quick draw attitude because it happened to me when some psychosect stalkers ruined my software programming business. That's so easy with the web...
I get that they lack a clue as to how the machine could output more energy than it inputs, and that's OK. Free energy is really a very simple thing. If one puts a sail on a boat, they are capturing and utilizing free energy. Same thing here, if the machine works as claimed, it's just using a different kind of sail to capture and utilize EM energy. Although, in the absence of any satisfying explanation as to just how that works, some some hard statistics are going to be needed by those who lack the ability to go and see the machine working as claimed for themselves. Thrapp seems to have also shown some lights lighting up, although he seems to have failed to provide any convincing evidence that his machine actually does what he claims it does.Timothy Thrapp has a long history of making false free energy claims. Anything that he says that is not independently corroborated is worthless.
I've been researching new energy science for over a decade, and there are people here on this forum that have been doing that for two or three times that long. In that time I have reviewed more alleged over-unity devices than I care to think about. I started my research here on this forum when it was hosted as a yahoo group by spending months reviewing over 10,000 posts to find potential devices to investigate further. I found there is a very common progression followed by people who claim they have built a device that operate over-unity, and the strongest commonality in that progression is the failure of the claimants to provide sound and verifiable statistics that clearly show over-unity operation.
So to put an end to all the bickering, simply provide some sound and verifiable statistics.
Best regards,
FB
I am only using primary windings at the moment because I still have yet to figure out how to attach a load to the secondary in FEMM. The secondary would just be open ended and generate a voltage without any current flow.[/font]
[/font]The primary I am using for this is 1550 turns of 20awg wire, which is 1/2 the turns of the original 3100. I set the current at 0.9 amps and raised the frequency of operation to 1kHz to prevent saturating the core. That is maintaining the flux density under 1.5 Tesla's for the M19 silicon steel laminations. This type of core is usually only driven to 1.0 T to 1.5 T because the material saturates at around 2 T. If the core saturates, it would allow large current surges to propagate though the windings and cause bad things to happen. I set the gap between the stator and rotor at 0.025".
At the moment I am preparing an animation of the flux density during a full rotation of the armature.
You can simulate a load by putting an apposing current in the secondary, you have to play with the current number until you find the most power/current you can reasonable put through without stopping or reversing the flux going through. In the snapshot below I have tried putting 4.5 amps in the secondary and the simulation shows what that does against a .65 amp push from the primary. with zero amp in the secondary the numbers are still interesting because it will tell you how much voltage you can expect to measure across the coil with no load.
What "bad things" might happen if the core saturates (at any particular frequency)?
The numbers I am interested in are the from the Circuit Properties Results for the Primary:
Voltage Drop
Flux Linkage
Flux/Current
Voltage/Current
Real Power
Reactive Power
Apparent Power
Great! I saw the animation, it is interesting to watch.
May I suggest that you should standardize the color scale for the flux density plot so that it is easier to tell what is actually going on. Otherwise femm will re-scale each frame and that is why you get the flashing color effects. It is also helpful to turn on the magnitude vectors plot "->" (B_re) which will show you north and south and provide additional information as to the strength of the flux.
I'm now wondering how this compares to the actual configuration of SEG since both your model and now mine has a double wide rotor compared to the posted SEG drawing. I would really love to see a scope shot of the WITTS/Trapp prototype QEG output voltage and current under load.
Here is my update, I have slimmed down the main core to 3/4 " and left the rotor at 1 1/2", its original size. It has the .026 diameter gap as described, which is a radius of .013. It has the same number of turns 3100. With the full size core it would look very differently (probably have much less ability to sustain the secondary current) so I don't know if there are any conclusions that can be drawn from this analysis compared to the WITTS prototype QEG.
I have to admit I still don't see how the QEG can work good maybe it doesn't. When you look carefully at the Trapp video you can't really tell if the rotor dimensions are 2:1 like this, or 1:1 like the plans that were posted.
One thing for sure, WITTS/Trapp talks like a Christian free energy evangelist that wants to bring their technology to the world, but acts like every other greedy inventor, because for one thing, they will only "give" out their information and "free licensing to build up to 3 devices" after a required minimum "donation" has been made and they still claim they are not "selling" anything, what a farce.
Here with a simulated load of 4.5 amps at 400hz numbers:
Primary:
Total current = 0.65 Amps
Voltage Drop = 2923.19+I*25197.2 Volts
Flux Linkage = 10.0256-I*1.15361 Webers
Flux/Current = 15.4241-I*1.77478 Henries
Voltage/Current = 4497.21+I*38764.9 Ohms
Real Power = 950.036 Watts
Reactive Power = 8189.08 VAr
Apparent Power = 8244 VA
Secondary:
Total current = 4.5 Amps
Voltage Drop = -316.671-I*1567.72 Volts
Flux Linkage = -0.623777+I*0.126728 Webers
Flux/Current = -0.138617+I*0.0281619 Henries
Voltage/Current = -70.3713-I*348.383 Ohms
Real Power = -712.51 Watts
Reactive Power = -3527.38 VAr
Apparent Power = 3598.62 VA
Just to be clear to the so-called ´healthy skeptics´ amongst you
This forum supports those who strongly resonate with the impression that the QEG, and the technology involved, requires more than just an engineer’s degree and logical mechanical thinking to make her work.
On the one hand the QEG is indeed a machine, but a totally different kind of machine than the ones we are so familiar with. It is true that she may need a skilled technician to build her, but truly requires a shift in consciousness to understand what makes her ´tick´. And that´s where one´s attitude in this whole process can and will make a difference….
Take for example the "double-slit experiment," where the mere act of ´observation´ can completely change the outcome of an event. There are a number of things so far, involving the measurable part of the QEG, which currently may not make any sense… but then perhaps it needs a different level of sensitivity all together. Your presence, your state of mind, your attitude are believed to be key ingredients in observing the successful creation of this free energy device. This forum supports that belief and vision.
In short: There is no place for skepticism in this forum, you won´t get far trying to court a lady with skepticism, cause truly that is what the QEG is, a Lady with a mind and a will of her own.
So, having said that, I am sure there are those who do not agree with the rules and guidelines of the forum, (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/announcement/id-1) which is fine but I suggest to then find another place to continue your discussions.
The forum moderators already have spent a lot of time and care in explaining to individuals why certain posts do not resonate with the forum rules, which is respectful but at same time to be honest I think they have better things to do with their time. Therefor please note that the decision to edit or remove a post is up to the moderators and not users, moderation doesn´t need further explanation and their decision is not open for debate.
Thank you
Kudos to Lindemann for that report. It is very important for all "QEG" builders to read and understand what Peter is saying in that report. The "QEG" will NOT work as WhateverGirl and Robitaille claim it will. Never, no way Jose, and Peter and his friends explored the entire problem space long ago. I am not too concerned about the paltry claim of COP = 1.2..... that is sufficiently close to the noise floor as to not be exciting or even worth "replicating" his series of experiments to track down the ultimate error. His error analysis and correct recognition of the great reactive power in the system is much more important.
Here is the very most problematic statement in Lindemann's report:
Translation: We did not get the results we wanted, so why report anything?
It should be clear that this is egregious pseudoscientific misconduct. When you do an experiment and you get NULL RESULTS.... it is just as important to report those, perhaps even more important than your ... perhaps bogus ... "positive" results that appear to support your hypothesis.
Please refer to the Scientific Method: experiments are done with the purpose of _falsifying_ hypotheses. When you FAIL to falsify your hypothesis, MAYBE it is supported by your results. But when you DO falsify your hypothesis.... by producing "experimental results that are disappointing".... then you KNOW that your experiment does not support the hypothesis. For sure. This is VERY IMPORTANT information, and people who do not publish null results are doing a profound disservice to the community of researchers, as well as violating a fundamental principle, a core component, of the Scientific Method.
Quote from: TinselizedKoalala"It should be clear that this is egregious pseudoscientific misconduct. When you do an experiment and you get NULL RESULTS.... it is just as important to report those, perhaps even more important than your ... perhaps bogus ... "positive" results that appear to support your hypothesis.
Please refer to the Scientific Method: experiments are done with the purpose of _falsifying_ hypotheses. When you FAIL to falsify your hypothesis, MAYBE it is supported by your results. But when you DO falsify your hypothesis.... by producing "experimental results that are disappointing".... then you KNOW that your experiment does not support the hypothesis. For sure. This is VERY IMPORTANT information, and people who do not publish null results are doing a profound disservice to the community of researchers, as well as violating a fundamental principle, a core component, of the Scientific Method."
Amen bro. Tin....Though, if I were to speak up every time I ever failed, my vocal cords would be worn out by now.
CANGAS 23
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Now if I had your technical knowledge, ...
Regards...
Why does a man make 3000 posts on a overunity forum, when he does not believe in overunity at all?Produce evidence.
What can we do against the presence of such specisms?
Produce evidence.
I just have to jump in here for a second, as this is getting "Disturbing".
After really looking at the schematic for a few seconds, and making the "Assumption" that the output is standard, useable power (Not something unusual or undefined so that standard measurements and operation of standard devices would be good.), then I see a small problem. The spark gap IS in series with the output, with a smallish cap and inductor both in parallel with it. This gives me great pause.
1. Lots of noise will be in this output, no matter what, even if the freq range were partly filtered by the torrid.
2. Putting that much power through a spark gap...... Has anyone heard of this thing called an Arc Welder......
3. Even assuming that one could bypass most of this power around the gap, through the cap and coil, I don't see where the coil pictured (or spec'd...) would be able to be of low enough inductance to allow that much to pass. The cap, I don't see that even more so.
What this really means to me is; either the power at this point is NOT standard power, which would make all current SIMS, etc. very useless and prevent simple use of that power OR someone has a neat idea but no real concept of what it really is.
And just to be clear, for those that haven't spent a lot of time with this stuff, ANY COP > 1, even if, say 1.000000000000001, would also have to be considered infinite COP. Why, you ask? Over COP 1 could be looped, meaning NO INPUT Required. What happens when you divide by zero? (OK, you all know this, but....)
So, we have some facts, here. I have NO idea what they are. I can't imagine anyone giving money or time away on this, but could not complain about playing with it on your own, just for the experience. Either way, with the lack of data, and no real verification of the REAL ckt or specs, and not having built one, I certainly could not state for certain that it worked or not. I could only state, right now, that if I build it exactly as shown and wire it exactly according to schematic, there is no possible way that it could operate at COP>1 as long as ONLY conventional EM theory was in use. This eliminate SIMS for full explanations, if they exist.
If it DID operate over COP=1 THEN there would have to be quite a few additions to quite a few texts. In reality, no one should be ready to accept that so quickly without some firm proofs. Will this device be the one to open that can of worms? I have no idea, but It should be interesting to watch (Read?).
For myself, I would prefer to see the theoretical information explained or demonstrated in a much simpler/cheaper/easier form for the initial "Breakthrough", but then again What do I know about the blurring between aether concepts and quantum theory.....
(Even the title. Both of this thread AND the device. Is it becoming accepted that quantum theory is describing the aether? Or is that connection being ignored? Or is no-one even seeing the large gap between those two? I may very well be totally wrong, but my first thought upon looking at the overall concept would have to be that this draws in aether energy, rather than utilizing quantum entanglement, if it really worked.)
OK, that's enough of my blabbing about things I know nothing about. In certain ways, I AM a psudohuman, and as such should have no opinion.
I would be interested if someone could mention a method to get 10-15KW through that exciter Ckt, using Conventional, Real power (Not Reactive, etc.) because without that initial understanding, I would be lost as to what was really coming out of the device. (I hope I am making sense....)
A new and improved animation of the QEG core flux gating is now available:
http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNq (http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNq)
My bad. I guess I dropped the last "o" when I copied the link the first time.
The video is working on YT. Here's a good link:
http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNqo (http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNqo)
Thanks for correcting the link. I put this comment on the video.... I won't be surprised, or offended, if you remove it!
---begin YT comment---
Did you expect to see something different? Don't you have any shaded pole synchronous AC motors in your home?
I think you are doing good work with FEMM. You are showing that the simulated device performs exactly as expected. But of course FEMM and all other simulation programs are based on ordinary standard physics, so they won't be able to show you any "free energy" or "overunity" performance. Remember Ibison's Law!
You can optimize all you like, but you can't make this thing produce output power sufficient to loop back to the drive motor for self-running. There is neither theoretical nor empirical support for that, the QEG people do not now and never have had a unit that does, and the version that Timothy Thrapp showed "running" years ago is a fake.
Whether you know it or not, you are participating in a cynical scam, by giving credence to the FTW "saviours of mankind". In a week, a month, a year from now, there will still be no self-running device from those people. But I encourage you to keep on, just try to stay away from the Dark Side of the Force. Asking for donations? Fine... as long as you aren't making unsupported, and unsupportable, claims, like the QEG people are making in their pleas for money.
--- end YT comment---
Presented is an improved animation of a series of FEMM, Finite Element Method Magnetics, analyses of the flux density in the QEG laminated, silicon steel core with a steady AC signal applied to the primaries of the genator and the secondaries open circuited. It clearly shows the flux gating in the stator by the rotation of the amature.
F_Brown,
I am going to assume that the coils that generate the flux through the toroid have DC current flowing through them for each individual frame in your animation like I state in my previous posting. The AC component of the flux is caused by the rotor position. Even if this assumption is wrong, it won't affect my main points in this posting.
What you can see in your clip is that when the rotor approaches the vertical or horizontal position, there is increasing flux flowing through the rotor. That would correspond to magnetic attraction between the turning rotor and he mating components of the toroid. So during this phase there is clockwise torque on the rotor from the the flux source in the toroid.
Likewise when the rotor is leaving the horizontal or vertical position, there is decreasing flux flowing through the rotor and that would also cause attraction between the rotor and the toroid. During this phase there would be counter-clockwise torque on the rotor and that corresponds to magnetic drag on the external drive motor, Lenz law in action.
In the real QEG setup that magnetic drag/Lenz law will correspond to the rotating rotor giving a "kick" to the LC resonator and that kick requires mechanical energy that is supplied by the drive motor - you can't escape Mother Nature.
Your animation clearly shows that the rotating rotor will modulate the flux through the toroid-rotating rotor system. That will stir up changing flux and changing currents through the coils of the LC resonator and also through the output coils into the load. The timing relationships at resonance will stabilize and there will be magnetic drag that resists the rotation of the rotor, there is no doubt.
As was stated before, this is a kind of glorified pick-up coil on a pulse motor that is driving a capacitor to form an LC resonator. You set up the timing so the pulse motor rotates such that the pick-up coil LC resonator is driven at the resonant frequency by the magnets passing the pick-up coil. You end up with a large amplitude AC voltage/current set of waveforms in the pick-up coil and that represents a kind of matched load and a huge power drain. When you add a load to the pick-up coil LC resonator you start to draw some power away from the LC resonator and the total power drain decreases and the pulse motor speeds up.
Going back to the QEG, understanding what it does in the real world will require producing a complete timing diagram for it tracking what is happening at resonance for all of the currents and magnetic flux flows, the whole nine yards. You could wrap sensing coils around the four quadrants of the toroid and measure the voltages and then use those voltage waveforms to derive the magnetic flux flows through each of the four quadrants. You simply integrate on the voltage waveforms with respect to time to get the flux waveforms. That information would allow you to derive the flux flow through the rotor itself. You would have to pick up a sensing tick from the rotating rotor so that you could track the rotor angle on your timing diagram. And so on and so on....
There is almost no point in doing this because nobody is going to measure over unity from this $5000 paperweight.
Beyond that, I don't get the sense that James M. Robitaille would be capable of doing this level of analysis even if he wanted to. One could expect that none of the New Age hangers-on could do this and their eyes glazed over after reading the first few sentences of this posting.
This is not going to have a happy ending. If it's true that there are 200 orders for the toroid and coils with the fancy dielectric potting compound at $3000 USD each, that's $600,000 USD. Six-hundred thousand dollars! Considering how easy it will be for all of these burned replicators to find each other, one possibility is a class action lawsuit against the perpetrators of this farce.
MileHigh
I did actually think you had some idea about the sims. :)
You might find it interesting that I did find an over-unity result in simulation for one device. That was the the Milkovic Two-Stage Oscillator. I made a model with a multi-body dynamics simulator called Freecad, and it showed up to 2x the input power being dissipated in a linear damper on the output of the device. The video of that seems to have disappeared from my YT channel, and I did that work on another computer. It might take me a while to locate it again.
Link to the MBD simulator: http://www.askoh.com/ (http://www.askoh.com/)
I figure, if transformer laminations had any kind of piezo-electric or acoustic-electric effect it would be well known my now.Lamination stacks and to a greater extent the windings around them exhibit magnetostrictive effects. Manufacturers of quality line frequency magnetics adequately vacuum impregnate the finished magnetics with epoxy. Manufacturers of junk like Hampton Bay ceiling fans from Home Depot save a few pennies by dispensing with good practices and as a result their products exhibit annoying line frequency hum.
resonance of steel creates electricity1 wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc)
HopeGirl Shares Her Feelings And Sexual Thoughts About The QEG From Morocco
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thecollectiveimagination/2014/04/21/the-one-people-2122-april-2014/scrub/2838
You can't make this stuff up, download it and confirm for yourself towards end of broadcast, time markers and transcript included below:
1:20:57 We call the QEG a she, she is a being. She has a personality, she has a way of dictating things, she has a way of pulling people into a group to build her and pushing certain people out because they might have hidden agendas.
1:22:10 I personally feel very very connected to the QEG. I feel very connected to her, I feel that she wants something. she needs something, she wants the people that are working around her to learn a lesson or to discover something about themselves in the process and as soon as we discover that then we can move forward.
1:22:30 So how does this relate to s e x? What we are doing here is creation, our sexuality is our power.
1:23:07 The QEG is creating a desire. A desire in all of our hearts that are here to bring this parts towards us, to pull these parts in.
1:23:33 The really difficult parts, they are here (Morocco). The two main parts that are still missing, that we're trying to get a hold off, is the core which is now waiting for us at customs, which we think we're going to get tomorrow, which is a round shape, a female shape. And the shaft, which is a long pole, that goes into it. The QEG is creating a desire in the hearts of all of us here. And the core is desiring her shaft, and these people are getting on airplanes to bring the shaft and the core together.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10202839216796293It looks like a bad joke.
The QED Saga continues in Marrocco now.
Here is the latest circuit diagramm:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=641629269244552&set=pb.612141065526706.-2207520000.1398639803.&type=3&permPage=1
Here is a Facebook group where they posted the new build pictures:
https://www.facebook.com/OPCAouchtam
And here are the newest videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsFAF1_8B5cZ7YhpcjFFNfA/videos
Especially this video is hillarious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TbAr-gC9D4
where Fakegirl and her mother cry and shout at the end of the video,
although there is no selflooping going on... just lighting 2 bulbs with no measurements given....
The donation scam continues...
Cap-Z-ro,
The thoughts expressed in the email are quite
interesting.
The source of this "free energy" remains a
great mystery and clearly is not what/where
most experimenters believe it to be. Not
all are able to summon it.
And check out all 4 of these. Talking about the cart before the horse!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6jI_bvKwrI
Once again, this calls for my semi regular posted quote from Ed Leedskalnin:
" I made a lot more electricity with steel than I ever made with copper ".
And I believe this one came from Ed also:
" Ring the bell ".
Regards...
Now, I am going to tell you what I mean when I say "Ed's Sweet Sixteen". I don't mean a sixteen year old girl, I mean a brand new one. If it had meant a sixteen year old girl, it would have meant at the same time, that I made money for the sweet sixteen while she was making love with a fresh boy.
And it will keep going. Look how long Ke$he is keeping his going. I am still waiting for just one of countless Americans to be approached by the QEG group to build a unit. Not your average jane or joe but any of the long since well known experimenters that have put great effort into alternative energy. People with wonderful building and engineering skills. People, hint hint, capable of measuring power, power factor, power phase, people who could provide an efficiency number other than the word RESONANCE.
Is it possible that there is a skin affect taking place once the voltage is high enough?
It looks like a bad joke.
New Thread Title: Reasonable Questions/Concerns About QEG Claims and Operation
REQUIREMENT quoted directly from the QEG User Manual 3/25/14:
"The QEG is an electromechanical device and as such, safety for the individual and end user should always be of prime concern. It is therefore essential that persons assembling the device are experienced in the field of electro-mechanical assembly. A considerable level of knowledge in quantum physics is also required."
"It is imperative to understand YOU NEED PROFESSIONALS AND EXPERT ADVICE to build a QEG."
As stated in the QEG Users Manual in the above quotes and by James Robitaille, engineers and technical expertise will be required to co-develop, build, tune and install the QEG. Technical members are needed to improve and/or solve the challenging technical problems that will need to be analyzed and resolved so that the QEG can be efficiently built and implemented to operate safely and reliably. The reasonable questions/concerns that are being raised are due to the claims made by James Robitaille and others from FTW about a free energy 10,000 watt QEG that can power a home, but raising these questions/concerns is starting to be discouraged in the QEG Forum Construction threads.
Raising common sense questions and making fact based comments is part of doing one's due diligence before spending money or time on anything that could be very time consuming and costly. Doing one's due diligence does not make one a naysayer or troll and should not be hastily dismissed as bringing 'negative force'. No one with good common sense would buy something As-Is from someone they did not know without first asking questions and confirming it worked, this would apply even more so if it involved new/unproven technology like is claimed with the QEG.
Successful technology is not based on faith, it is a major technical undertaking. Those that make the claim have the burden of proof. James Robitaille and anyone from FTW (or WITTS) can not reasonably expect that no skeptical questions will be asked before money and/or time is spent on unproven technology. Reasonable questions should be expected until claims are proven.
CLAIM directly quoted from the QEG User Manual 3/25/14:
In the QEG, input power is used only to maintain resonance in the core, which uses a small fraction of the output power (under 1000 watts to produce 10,000 watts), and once running, the QEG provides this power to its own 1 horsepower motor. This is known as over-unity. Once the machine builds up to the resonant frequency, it powers itself (self-running).
From technical perspective here are just 5 factual challenges for the QEG thus far:
1. James R has not demonstrated a verifiable self running QEG, he stated in the Taiwan video that back home he had tried to manually switch the QEG output power to the DC motor but could not get it to self run. He stated in the PESN video that he didn't have an inverter and thinks an inverter should provide the hold time needed during the switch over in order to get it to self run. This was not accomplished at home or Taiwan, next attempt will be made in Morocco.
2. James R has not provided voltage, current, power or waveform measurement data for a running QEG, regardless of the reason it was not provided, this is critical data that would greatly help and needed by technical members.
3. James R reported that he called Torelco to stop production of the processed QEG cores until the high voltage arcing that damaged the QEG core windings in Taiwan could be resolved.
4. James R reported in his last video from Taiwan that while there he realized that the QEG needs to operate at a higher output voltage which will change the QEG design again, he has already mentioned changes involving: secondary spark gap, interlayer insulation, vacuum impregnated windings, secondary wire gauge and number of windings, capacitance, inductance, RPM, and using higher voltage inverter or step-down transformer.
5. James R is still trying to figure out how the QEG works based on his own comments, others are being trained on a QEG that is not fully understood and which has not powered itself. Morocco will be the third attempt location.
The QEG Forum Rules & Guidelines state that you're looking for people with constructive feedback and honest questions. That's what my post is about, reasonable questions are justified based on the QEG claims and the above facts alone. If technical members are discouraged or prevented from raising reasonable questions and concerns the QEG will primarily become a faith based venture that will head in the same direction as the numerous free energy claims of the past. With the New Paradigm Business Model being promoted for the QEG, it especially does not make sense from a good project management perspective to start to build the QEG before analyzing and addressing these types of questions and concerns which could potentially SAVE many members a great deal of TIME and MONEY.
A few days ago I was banned from the QEG Forum when my first post, which is quoted below, was submitted to the moderator for approval. They must keep track of the computer it came from because another member of the same household which was a QEG Forum member and had received thanks from other members was also banned at the same time. Since my reasonable post was blocked and got me banned I decided I would publicly post it here so that others who are objectively doing their QEG due diligence are aware that the QEG Forum moderators are not being objective and are NOT following their own QEG Forum Rules & Guidelines by blocking this type of post.
QEG Forum moderators banned me for attempting to start a new QEG Construction thread and post the following:
(a very reasonable post making excellent points, omitted because it's right up above in the thread.)
Hi everyone,
I edited a new video demo of the QEG test in Morocco so I could listen to it using headphones with volume maxed out to see if I could detect any change in RPM sound of the prime mover for the first seconds when resonance kicks in and before people start screaming. I repeated it 10 times and added the end segment which is also quiet.
I decide to share this instead of keeping this edited video for my study, so I upload it unlisted on my youtube account to help others who would like to see this. I also kept it in full HD so no Quality is lost.
To the best of my ability I could not detect much change in sound of the prime mover. Nothing compared to my test unit anyways, and they have 500 watts of load!
The thing I notice is the flashing of the bulbs. To me this is hard to believe 400Hz is involved. That is the main thing that does not look right to me at this time.
Please share your observations
Luc
Link to my edited version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y&feature=youtu.be)
Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7--G5qSDag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7--G5qSDag)
Luc,
I was also wondering about any speed change but took a different approach. Direct your attention to the strobe effect visible on the spinning disc on the end of the prime mover (which I am assuming is likely due to camera frame rate aliasing or possibly a nearby fluorescent... I believe the disc is marked for use with a laser tach).
The strobing changes as the speed is adjusted, but does appear fairly stable at the time the bulbs turn on. Even during the ugly sounds produced as the bulbs turn on and throughout the remainder of the time the bulbs are illuminated, the speed seems relatively stable.
Not sure what to make of it though...
PW
It's obviously a spark gap. During Tesla's time a spark gap was used to generate broadband low frequency RF.
This was used for exciting in Tesla Coils and as an oscillatory function in radio transmitters (no vac. tubes yet).
What is a spark gap doing tied to power line? - Obviously someone expects there will be static electricity there!
Second the motion by the fact that the sides of the machine are not metal but fiberglass. The metal rotor is insulated.
So it functions like the Testatika machine/Wimshurst machine. Static electricity is generated then is somewhat re-structured
form by adding LF RF to it like in a Tesla coil. and again like the Testatika Power RF Oscillator. These machines need to regauge
(change the relationship of voltage x current to power) so they can isolate subsystems. Then you simply run the re-formed
power through the coils to supercharge the internal magnetic motor flux. Note that electron flux often travels backwards
relative to common current flow. I've always felt that this machine should operate this way without
knowing the details since the Tharpp video showed it in the first place. There were previously people that
have done this in the 1920's - once they installed a powerful engine/motor in an aircraft - with obvious outcome. My feeling is that
tribiological electricity is inherently overunity. With three force affecting the electron - electrostatic, electromagnetic, and beta nuclear.
Static electricity is a macroscopic apparition of LENR. I will endeavor to prove this when the Shensei makes their ESM65-TR1
electrostatic motor available for sale.
This is why critics are no good for this type of thing, they don't structure incremental evidence for the operation of each device
as it comes along and before long they don't have a clue as to how these thing could even work. Critics need to stop saying
that there is no theory of operation for this device. It's that *they* don't have one.
No question though, I feel that overloading subsystem functions and variable parametric control structures
like in this device is not genius design but half-*ssed engineering practice. Parameters should have operational
margins not tuning. Variable parameters make it both difficult to understand system operation theory as well as
difficulty bringing it up.
:S:MarkSCoffman
I would add to that something that I have yet to see explicitly mentioned anywhere, and that is by all accounts, regardless if the device operates under-unity or over-unity, there is a lethal combinations of voltages and currents present in the device when it is operating.
All would be experimenters should be aware, that they are taking their life in their hands just being within arms reach of the QEG when it's running.
@ibreal I agree it would be nice to have some ?'s answered and measurements but I think they are trying to avoid killing their funding before they work out the kinks. looking at the videos of rotaille you see a guy in grubby jeans, tee shirt and unshaved. doesn't look like someone living high on donations. looks like a guy busting his butt to get this all working right. all I'm asking is for people to give it some time before bashing the sh*t out of them.Steeltpu, I agree that they are trying to protect the funding. JR seems to be on the up and up.
seems they should still be given the benefit of the doubt. let 'em show the proof without all the nasty accusations. not suggesting anyone run out and buy parts for this yet. just stop the negative remarkst. if anyone had a clue about the big post Cap-Z-ro made you might begin to understand why that's important. some of the mentally castrated individuals here who think we or they already know everything about everything should take a few lessons from history
Another way I see the spark gap is a maker and collector of scalar waves. Shouldn't the spark gap be reverse conical with a sharp mid point where the actual plasma arc burns and collapses the ambient air particles and gases. AND should that energy not be transmitter in a straight lines of force manor to the load (generator)?
Another way I see the spark gap is a maker and collector of scalar waves. Shouldn't the spark gap be reverse conical with a sharp mid point where the actual plasma arc burns and collapses the ambient air particles and gases. AND should that energy not be transmitter in a straight lines of force manor to the load (generator)?What verifiable evidence do you have that a spark gap either generates or collects scalar waves?
Somebody just mentioned to me that the frequency of the exciter circuits is set at the electron spin resonant frequency.~400Hz is more than seven orders of magnitude below ~10GHz of typical electron spin resonance.
I'm glad you're being gentle Mark. We should be honored that Hope Girl is here among us. If we mind our manners, she might continue to give us timely updates on QEG developments directly. Otherwise, we'll have to go looking for them.
Ha, I guess the person who told me that is wrong then. He said the electron spin resonance was 1.3 MHz, which is the resonant frequency of the exciter circuits.One should check one's sources. Electron spin resonance is in the GHz. 1.3MHz sounds like a high frequency for anything with the giant windings that are on this machine. The L*C product for 1.3MHz is down near 1.4E-14.
Models can be very helpful, provided that the assumptions they are built around are reasonable. Otherwise they are little more than computer aided hallucinations. You task is to ensure that your model is representative of something real.
I made some more progress with my SPICE model. I was able to make a model of the full primary circuit, and it generates over 10 kW of output into a resistive load taken directly from the primary.
I watched the Taiwan session where he said that. I was not encouraged by those remarks. Power sources have characteristic impedance. A high characteristic impedance in a power source means that the maximum power point will be at a relatively higher voltage than a similar capacity source that has a lower characteristic impedance. Electrodynamic machines are readily scaled in both power and impedance by changing the flux density and the number of turns per unit length.
James has been mentioning lately that he is learning that the nature of this device is high voltage. The simulation results I am getting seem to agree with that.
So they say.
In this case in order to get 10 kW of output, about 56 kilo-volts peak needs to be developed across each half of the primary.
A SPICE model that has certain assumptions that may well be quite dubious gives a result that you want to see. I highly recommend that you add a power probe to your noise source.
There are a few things I find interesting about this:
1) SPICE is able to model the parametric excitation, and it suggests that the claimed 10 kW of output are possible.
Transformers operate symmetrically. If there isn't a reason for an additional winding, then one should question why it exists.
2) That output can be drawn off directly from the primaries, making secondary output optional.
The purity of the sine wave is a function of the Q. The higher the Q the less relative power output.
3) The wave form in the primary circuit is a sine wave with little harmonic distortion.
Adding a power probe to your LT SPICE model noise source will help you figure that out.
There is one that that still concerns me, and that is how much input power will it take to do this.
One should check one's sources. Electron spin resonance is in the GHz. 1.3MHz sounds like a high frequency for anything with the giant windings that are on this machine. The L*C product for 1.3MHz is down near 1.4E-14.Models can be very helpful, provided that the assumptions they are built around are reasonable. Otherwise they are little more than computer aided hallucinations. You task is to ensure that your model is representative of something real.I watched the Taiwan session where he said that. I was not encouraged by those remarks. Power sources have characteristic impedance. A high characteristic impedance in a power source means that the maximum power point will be at a relatively higher voltage than a similar capacity source that has a lower characteristic impedance. Electrodynamic machines are readily scaled in both power and impedance by changing the flux density and the number of turns per unit length.So they say.A SPICE model that has certain assumptions that may well be quite dubious gives a result that you want to see. I highly recommend that you add a power probe to your noise source.Transformers operate symmetrically. If there isn't a reason for an additional winding, then one should question why it exists.The purity of the sine wave is a function of the Q. The higher the Q the less relative power output.Adding a power probe to your LT SPICE model noise source will help you figure that out.
I made some more progress with my SPICE model.
I'm glad you're being gentle Mark. We should be honored that Hope Girl is here among us. If we mind our manners, she might continue to give us direct and timely updates on QEG developments. Otherwise, we'll have to go looking for them.
By the way, somebody just mentioned to me that the frequency of the exciter circuits is set at the electron spin resonant frequency.
The QED Saga continues in Marrocco now.
Here is the latest circuit diagramm:
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=641629269244552&set=pb.612141065526706.-2207520000.1398639803.&type=3&permPage=1
Here is a Facebook group where they posted the new build pictures:
https://www.facebook.com/OPCAouchtam
And here are the newest videos:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsFAF1_8B5cZ7YhpcjFFNfA/videos
Especially this video is hillarious:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TbAr-gC9D4
where Fakegirl and her mother cry and shout at the end of the video,
although there is no selflooping going on... just lighting 2 bulbs with no measurements given....
The donation scam continues...
Notice in the latest Morocco video Morocco Has Resonance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd04pD5T88U
I will let people guess what it is that should be noticed. Lets see who spots the obvious. A hint is quintessence.
Check this out....
Even I had the "hope" to find out something new, until now, my generator is very inefficient.
I will do some more tests this weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4)
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Ariovaldo,
Good looking machine but I could not make out anything you were saying over the noise of the machine running. I could also not see the reading on the meter. If you do post any further videos, please shut off the machine before you speak.
Hoppy
Guess I didn't see it, but I will say this, watching this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIXC1pPQn8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIXC1pPQn8)
If the stator and rotor have a clearance of 1/1000 of an inch, there is no possible way you can drill holes in plastic with a Dremel tool to get that kind of precision.
They are claiming 1/1000 inch clearance between rotor and stator in THAT p.o.s.? I call bullshit right there. I'll believe they got 10kW Free Energy from a roll of toilet paper, before I'll believe that.At what temperature?
At what temperature?Toilet paper works best when it's slightly cooler than ambient.
Check this out....
Even I had the "hope" to find out something new, until now, my generator is very inefficient.
I will do some more tests this weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4
Cheers
Ariovaldo
"It's not so easy to teach a new trick for an old horse", but I will try to make a better one in a couple days. Also, the KW-meter positions was not so good.
Making it short, the power consumption was about 1200 watts and the load was not more than 6 x 60 watts lights bulbs. The output voltage in each coil was about 600 volts, but drops with the load. As I said, I'm just testing and is not my intention to make polemics statements. I'm just an old guy that has as hobby to build and test stuffs..
Independently of the results, is an interesting approach the way that the system works, having the resonance when reach a certain speed. In this case, was about 2800 rpm, but I can bring it down, increasing the capacitance. Also, it is a danger machine, since the voltage is very high in the excitation (high voltage) coils.
Cheers
Ariovaldo
This video is almost the same than the other one.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sli1RCbGs84 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sli1RCbGs84)
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Hello Ariovaldo,
thank you for posting a video of your replication.
Unfortunately the focus is not clear when you show the power meter. Can you please write down in a post the power just before resonance and when resonance lights the bulbs.
I'm also trying to understand what happened at the end when only one bulb lights. Do you know what causes this?
Thank you for sharing
Luc
Ariovaldo:
Your replication of the QEG generator setup looks very good.
With no light bulb load, have you measured the motor power consumption when you are at resonance? If you then slightly increase the motor voltage and the system goes out of resonance, have you measured the motor power consumption? What about if you slightly decrease the motor voltage and the system goes out of resonance, have you measured the motor power consumption?
Do you know how to measure the electrical power dissipation in the LC resonator when the system is in resonance and there is no load? If yes, can you make that measurement? If no, do you want to discuss it first before you make the measurement?
Thanks,
MileHigh
gotoluc (and others interested in QEG audio spectrum):
I will write down everything that you suggested and I will do my best this weekend to test it and put in a table that can be understandable.
Ariovaldo
Yeah, the video is bad...I have a regular job and I just have time at night or weekend and my intention is to do some more tests. About the end, when just one light bulb still on is because when you increase or bring down the speed we lose the resonance and the system starts to pulse and the result is voltage spikes. The others lights bulbs just blew out.
Cheers
Ariovaldo
gotoluc (and others interested in QEG audio spectrum):
Appreciate you sharing the QEG Morocco video that you edited, I'm sharing some audio data from that video. I fed the audio from your edited video to a PC based real time FFT audio spectrum analyzer. This allowed me to capture and save the audio spectrum of the QEG as it was ramped up with the light bulbs off, when the light bulbs flashed, and when the light bulbs stayed on. I left the SA settings at default and have attached the screen captures that I saved. Most of the screen captures were taken with a span of 0-500 Hz (50 Hz per division) to provide more detail of the most significant part of the audio spectrum. There are some screen captures with a span of 1KHz, 2KHz and 5KHz to show higher order harmonics.
There is a frequency at 100 Hz that first appears 2 seconds into the video when the variac knob is first rotated to start the QEG and this frequency is present throughout the QEG run. This 100 Hz frequency must be the hum from the full wave rectifier which is used to rectify the 50 Hz AC input to power the DC motor, so it serves as a good calibration check. The light bulbs start to flash when ~400 Hz double peak frequencies appears, I happened to capture it at the 30 second mark in one of the repeating cycles that you edited to extend the flashing light bulb view time. The ~400 Hz double peak frequencies only appears when the light bulbs flash on. The light bulbs stay on when the 440 Hz frequency is present along with a 400 Hz frequency, at this point both of these frequencies are constantly displayed until the QEG is ramped down. Most of the screens have a red marker at the 440 Hz frequency, you can see the frequency the marker is set to at the top of the captured screen. You can also see an 800 Hz and 880 Hz harmonic frequency on the attached file with the 1KHz span. Regardless of the QEG outcome it will be very interesting to find out how the QEG output is optimized.
It may be that the optimum output is achieved when the 400 Hz and the 440 Hz frequencies are tuned to match. Is there enough data here to determine which is the mechanical and which is the electrical resonance frequency? If mechanical resonance and the electrical resonance (or a harmonic frequency for parametric operation) need to be aligned a real time FFT audio spectrum analyzer like this one may prove to be a very useful tuning tool. The screen capture with the 5KHz span that I've attached was saved to display the whole instrument control panel so you can see the software application was developed by Fatpigdog Industries. I purchased the Excalibur 4.06 professional version, it has a very intuitive control panel with a very good set of features and the input audio can be from a file or a microphone - technical support is provided by email. I'm not associated with them, I just think it's a good product, so for anyone interested in more info it can be found, downloaded, and a registration code purchased at this web site:
http://www.fatpigdog.com/SpectrumAnalyzer/Excalibur.html (http://www.fatpigdog.com/SpectrumAnalyzer/Excalibur.html)
To insure that we're using the same reference, this video is the source of the audio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y)
Note: Attached files were converted from .bmp to .jpg to minimize file size.
Thanks Ariovaldo for explaining why the bulbs do that. I'm sorry you are going through so many bulbs.
The QEG in Morocco has spark plugs added to possibly help prevent these spikes.
Luc
Check this out....
Even I had the "hope" to find out something new, until now, my generator is very inefficient.
I will do some more tests this weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4)
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Check this out....
Even I had the "hope" to find out something new, until now, my generator is very inefficient.
I will do some more tests this weekend.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4
Cheers
Ariovaldo
"It's not so easy to teach a new trick for an old horse", but I will try to make a better one in a couple days. Also, the KW-meter positions was not so good.
Making it short, the power consumption was about 1200 watts and the load was not more than 6 x 60 watts lights bulbs. The output voltage in each coil was about 600 volts, but drops with the load. As I said, I'm just testing and is not my intention to make polemics statements. I'm just an old guy that has as hobby to build and test stuffs..
Independently of the results, is an interesting approach the way that the system works, having the resonance when reach a certain speed. In this case, was about 2800 rpm, but I can bring it down, increasing the capacitance. Also, it is a danger machine, since the voltage is very high in the excitation (high voltage) coils.
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Guess I didn't see it, but I will say this, watching this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIXC1pPQn8
If the stator and rotor have a clearance of 1/1000 of an inch, there is no possible way you can drill holes in plastic with a Dremel tool to get that kind of precision.
Not shown is the very thing for which it is named. You cannot have a rat trap be effective if there is no rat.
"Ou es le" Quantum exciter coil ???
Nice build. Do you have the exciter between the output coil and load?
Awesome video Ariovaldo!
From my SPICE simulations I have found that this device has some unusual performance behaviors, One of which is that the more resistance you put in the primary circuit up to a certain point which seem to be roughly around 10% of the the total impedance of the primary at the operating frequency, the more power the device will output. I am using an 11 k load in my spice simulation.
I have also found that the system will go through surging oscillations if the resistance of the load is tool light, and that if the resistance of the load is too high the system will simply fail to go into resonance. So, the moral of the story is more load is generally better than less load. Additionally, adding load resistance will take voltage off the primary windings, so again more load is better than less load as far as helping the system to avoid over voltage transients in the primary windings.
I'm thinking that your generator would easily light up a series sting of 20 100W light bulbs maybe more put in series with the primary.
Cheers,
FB
About the load, I tried 4 x 500 watts and it didn't work. With 2 x 500 watts, wasn't full bright..
Cheers
Ariovaldo
No...straight from the coil to the load...
Any plans on adding the exciter coil? QEG manual states this is the part of the device that enables most of the energy output.
Or are you doing this in steps so if something goes wrong you know where. Good effort.
About the load, I tried 4 x 500 watts and it didn't work. With 2 x 500 watts, wasn't full bright..
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Chosen of course because 24,000 RPM is 400 Hz. I would just love to see Robitaille's contraption spinning that fast, with its 0.001 inch clearances and its 28 kV output. I think I'll watch from behind you, though.
Hmm, so the equivalent of 10 x 100 watt light bulbs dimly.
Weill, I was within an order of magnitude. :)
My SPICE sim is using a CEG rotor speed of 24,000. I would say for your rotor speed of 2,800, you're doing well.
Chosen of course because 24,000 RPM is 400 Hz. I would just love to see Robitaille's contraption spinning that fast, with its 0.001 inch clearances and its 28 kV output. I think I'll watch from behind you, though.
Those capacitors crack me up. I can tell he's never blown up a capacitor by overcharging it... yet. They are going to kill someone pretty soon if they keep clowning around with that thing.
That's because the device is highly load dependent and therefore will be of no real multi-purpose practical use in a fixed resonant and directly output to load coupled condition. The energy needs to be transferred in pulses into an impedance matched load and subsequently stored in an accumulator for practical use via an inverter. However, getting to this stage adds complexity and cost and is only viable if an overall performance gain (COP>1) from can be confirmed by correct measurement.
Here is a Spectrum Analysis of my MOT QEG test device.
Note that my rotor RPM is in the 1,500 RPM range... But my Electrical Resonance is in the 29Hz range.
My MOT Inductance swings from 6H to 12H and Resonating Capacitor is 2.5uf
From the Spectrum my test devices Mechanical Resonance is in the 225Hz range with a second peak in the 500Hz range.
Luc
All:
Note 0.010" of an inch is roughly the thickness of a sheet of paper. There is not a chance that the QEG could be built to that dimensional size, not to mention 0.001" which is ridiculous. If that's in the manual somewhere that's laughable. Now notice saying "laughable" is not malicious bashing, it's simply a true statement. Note we haven't even been discussing tolerances.
F_Brown,
I am not sure if you are simulating with ideal components or component models that include hidden parameters to make them "real world." In reading your statements there is one thing I want to make clear about the switching of the inductance value, where you toggle back and forth between two values. For starters that's a pretty cool trick that you are doing with the sim. The big point is that just the act of dynamically switching the value of an inductor that's in a circuit in the "real time" of your simulation cannot be a source of energy. It simply can't happen. So I am not sure how you are getting increasing resonant oscillations in your simulation.
Here is something for your consideration, and I will assume we are working with ideal components here: Your circuit is [12-volt battery] -> [2-ohm resistor] -> [ inductor(t)] -> [Ground]
Let's say the inductor(t) toggles between 2 Henries and 4 Henries every 30 seconds. What will the sim show? How will it handle the abrupt change in the value of the inductance? It's effectively a discontinuity in the value of the inductance, will the sim be able to cope with it?
Let's forget about the sim for a second and crunch it in our heads. Let's assume ideal components. Do you know what will happen when the inductance toggles in value? It's an important question because if you do know then great, but if you aren't sure, then how can you be sure your sim is running correctly?
MileHigh
Thanks for the extra information. The fact that you make the inductance value vary like a sine wave is very impressive, and of course it's presumably a much better approximation of what is taking place in the QEG than a step function.
When you switch to a variable mechanical inductor the answer as to what happens is essentially instantly available and seems obvious. I already mentioned it. Hint hint... lol
Just for fun, let me see if I can get through doing it mathematically on 'paper.' I am going to enter rarely visited waters...
The example circuit to analyze the problem is trivial - it's just an ideal inductor shorted by an ideal wire.
The formula for your inductance as a function of time:
L(t) = (sin(omega * t) +2) [inductance varies between 1 and 3 Henries] Note - I am avoiding a divide-by-zero problem
Let's define the initial conditions and use something simple to illustrate the problem: When the inductance is 3 henries, say the current is 5 amps. That means you have 37.5 joules stored in the coil under these conditions.
Everything is ideal, so no energy is lost. We just need to solve for the current as a function of inductance. Since the inductance also varies with time, you effectively are also solving for the current as a function of time. The voltage across the coil is always zero, and that may help us to simplify things.
Let's take a peek at how things look when the inductance is 1 henry. You still have to have 37.5 joules stored in the inductor therefore the current has to be:
E = 1/2 L I^2
I^2 = 2E/L
I = sqrt(2E/L)
Therefore when L = 1 henry, i = 8.66 amps.
I have yet to see a quantum exciter coil in the Morocco setup. This is that very thing separating the QEG from any other contemporary generators.
Link to post will be at top: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/323-possible-rotor-construction-in-witts-generator#1296 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/323-possible-rotor-construction-in-witts-generator#1296)
Can this be confirmed? Exciter coil is only needed for the first couple of weeks. I am looking for the audio conference of this statement. I only see the manual 3-25-2014 instruct to adjust the spark gap every few weeks.
How would that translate into hours? A weeks time of 5,10,15 hours a day? The manual where it states the exciter coil is used to conduct power from the quantum zero point into the core and this produces the over unity. If exciter could be removed then what pray tell what would be the majority of the power production?
I have yet to see a quantum exciter coil in the Morocco setup. This is that very thing separating the QEG from any other contemporary generators.
The Morocco QEG may have been pre-primed with the exciter before the video of its operation was filmed. :-\
I imagine that once everyone has spent out on the expensive kit of parts, or ready built QEG, maybe the next step could be to loan out the special black-box exciter - ambient energy collector - for a couple of weeks to each builder. This would prime each machine for OU operation on the proviso that the operating instructions must be very carefully followed. The loan of this special piece of equipment would presumably be at a cost, maybe a donation to the Hope organisation.
Heh.... 1500 RPM is 25 Hz. 25 x 29 is 725. 500 + 225 is.... 725. Numbers don't lie!
( but they do joke around a lot.)
So far the demonstration tour has failed to demonstrate a working unit. How much more of this is to go on before people start demanding evidence that they can deliver on their extraordinary claims?
I know why the numbers don't add up. You have ignored the word range... if you use those numbers it won't add up correctly. I cannot measure my rotor RPM since my test device is in a closed box, so I used approximate numbers and knowing this I added the word range.Calm down!
One thing I can tell you is my variable frequency drive controller was set at 58.2Hz during the spectrum analysis test. What exact RPM my motor was able to turn the rotor at considering friction losses? I don't know and not about to open the protective cover to find out when I know my I cores are only holding to the rotor with Epoxy.
Luc
Calm down!
I just noticed the interesting coincidence in the numbers...which as you see _do_ add up just the way I put them in my post. It's an example of how forgetting or not including the units (Hz, V, A, s, etc.) in a calculation can lead to meaningless results that _look_ like they are significant. A highbrow kind of joke it is. You didn't put them together that way... I did! I am not criticizing or objecting to your work, you know I trust you to do the right things.
You can, and should, make an optical tachometer measurement of your rotating parts. It is easy to be fooled by either electrical or optical measurements alone, with certain kinds of rotating assemblies.
Even just a photodiode/LED pair looking at a mark on a shaft, monitored by a scope channel or even the DMM's "frequency" function, would be a good crosscheck on electrical measurements of rotation.
Excuse me, if I have a primary and a secondary, 10 KWh of electricity and a cos phi of 0,9999, is there theoricaly approximately 20000 jouls of heat in each second if we count the two circuits?
If Yildiz and Keshe done it this long I suspect QEG will go for quite some time.Sadly, there is a long list of people who have gotten away with making such unsubstantiated claims for many years. I recently saw where that long time fanciful story teller Mark Goldes has nearly verbatim applied his old magnetic generator schtick to his bull shit ambient heat harvester claims.
Greetings:
I am new to this site and am reposting the following which I have already posted on the QEG be-do.com site.
I am attaching two pdf documents. Please read them in the following order:
1st pdf attachment (our first attempt to reverse engineer the QEG)
this posting
2nd pdf attachment (a description of our construction of a 1/4 scale version of the QEG)
Resonance Achieved!!
Development and Test of Mini-QEG
In this note, Mark and I (George, aka Herm), both electrical engineers continue into our investigation of the operating principals of the QEG.
In our first PDF note, we reverse engineered the design of the QEG to the best of our abilities without having an actual working unit to test. Since obtaining a full-sized core will take some time, we decided to build a smaller test device. Our first attempt was revealed in a note describing a core fabricated from a metal tape-wound toroid with machined, clamp-on pole pieces. This approach proved unusable because testing revealed the lack of sufficient magnetic coupling to the toroid to allow inductive modulation. During the test, we discovered an unexpected 16 Mhz signal on the core resonance winding. It was later discovered that this signal was emanating from the arcing of the DC motor carbon brushes. The signal was being picked up by the core windings acting as a magnetic loop antenna. We issued a note when this was discovered and then abandoned study of this device and constructed a new Mini-QEG.
Later, upon further contemplation, we realized that a signal of this type may have been used in the original QEG to energize the "exciter coil". In the larger (1 HP) motor, brush arcing would produce a lower frequency signal, possibly around 1 Mhz. The resonant "exciter coil" would pick up the signal and develop enough voltage to fire the spark gap providing a current pulse to the output winding thus polarizing the core and helping to initiate core resonance. This possibility was demonstrated by firing a charged capacitor into the output winding of the operating mini-QEG producing a much larger output. This effect could also be produced by using a bar magnet with one pole facing the shaft end of the mini-QEG effectively jump starting phase-locked resonance. This resonance would continue after magnet removal.
See attached PDF for details, schematics, and photos.
Hey Milehigh:
I don't have a Mile High ego. I'm a Electrical Engineer/ software engineer and a inventor who sold my own patents for $ you cannot even imagined. So, can we just leave it at that. What I write to encourage others is none of your business. You can write all kinds of crap and that's what you do best. Keep on doing it. Stay out of thinking on my behalf.
cheers
chrisC
I don't think you know or understand what is being discussed in those papers based on a large number of your previous postings.
So you are booing from the sidelines without understanding the rules of the football game.
ChrisC,
I don't believe you and let's leave it at that. ...
MileHigh
ChrisC,
So you want to puff out you chest? I challenge you right now, no Google, in your own words, write out six full paragraphs that describe how a coil works and two more paragraphs explaining how coils and capacitors are actually very very similar.
Let's see if you are FoS or not.
MileHigh
Greetings:
I am new to this site and am reposting the following which I have already posted on the QEG be-do.com site.
I am attaching two pdf documents. Please read them in the following order:
1st pdf attachment (our first attempt to reverse engineer the QEG)
this posting
2nd pdf attachment (a description of our construction of a 1/4 scale version of the QEG)
Resonance Achieved!!
Development and Test of Mini-QEG
In this note, Mark and I (George, aka Herm), both electrical engineers continue into our investigation of the operating principals of the QEG.
In our first PDF note, we reverse engineered the design of the QEG to the best of our abilities without having an actual working unit to test. Since obtaining a full-sized core will take some time, we decided to build a smaller test device. Our first attempt was revealed in a note describing a core fabricated from a metal tape-wound toroid with machined, clamp-on pole pieces. This approach proved unusable because testing revealed the lack of sufficient magnetic coupling to the toroid to allow inductive modulation. During the test, we discovered an unexpected 16 Mhz signal on the core resonance winding. It was later discovered that this signal was emanating from the arcing of the DC motor carbon brushes. The signal was being picked up by the core windings acting as a magnetic loop antenna. We issued a note when this was discovered and then abandoned study of this device and constructed a new Mini-QEG.
Later, upon further contemplation, we realized that a signal of this type may have been used in the original QEG to energize the "exciter coil". In the larger (1 HP) motor, brush arcing would produce a lower frequency signal, possibly around 1 Mhz. The resonant "exciter coil" would pick up the signal and develop enough voltage to fire the spark gap providing a current pulse to the output winding thus polarizing the core and helping to initiate core resonance. This possibility was demonstrated by firing a charged capacitor into the output winding of the operating mini-QEG producing a much larger output. This effect could also be produced by using a bar magnet with one pole facing the shaft end of the mini-QEG effectively jump starting phase-locked resonance. This resonance would continue after magnet removal.
See attached PDF for details, schematics, and photos.
According to all rigidly conventional minds in the electrical field this QEG will not work.
I am sure there are many sites populated by these 'conventional minds'...that is where they belong - not here, on an 'out of the box' thinking forum.
Unless they are here to derail topical discussion, what purpose do they serve ?
Regards...
I am very suspicious of the motives of people who continually and incessantly disrupt the free flow of tropical discussion by interjecting conventional electrical dogma.
@All,
I'm in no way an expert on these matters. I've been seriously learning electronics and computers for about 14 months now. I recently started learning about MC's. And I'm interested in Zero Point/Free Energy Devices and such.
But don't even try to show me dark/blurry pictures & videos of some device and expect me to take you seriously.lol
It's about the same as someone saying, "I've found Bigfoot!", and then showing me some blurry pictures!
It's the same with too many wires going all over the place, or things cluttering up the space that aren't germane to the subject. Component leads on their breadboard twisted up and looking like tree limbs in a horror flick. That tells me you're hiding something.
If you want intelligent people to take you seriously, then show some clean, well-lit, uncluttered, good quality pictures and videos or you will go on my "suspect", list.
This comment is meant to be on the subject in general and not directed at this thread in particular.
From PDF QEG v2_2, "James Robitaille stated that the exciter is not necessary for the basic operation of the QEG; therefore,
we omitted it from this analysis." What defines basic operation? Is this power produced on the output coil with COP < 1, or resonance regardless of any production of power?
Now if basic operation is to mean functions as a switched reluctance generator (SRG), then I would say yes the exciter is not needed other than to place a small initial remanence magnetism in the core. Where does more out than in fit into this claim? I wonder if experimenters will continue to reinvent the wheel by producing power from a device that long since has be patented and used.
I have no doubt the QEG would produce power as an SR generator, there is no mysticism about them.
Any one know what component of the released manual takes this particular generator a step further from a COP < 1 to a COP ~= 10? The cap bank, the exciter, the 1.5 inch unit dimension of the construction? Surely the QEG team or at least the inventor should know what the special component is and should just come out and say it and be done with the mysticism.
Now I'm off to try to figure out how to get FEMM to verify that.
Did you use Lua scripting to get FEMM to generate that nice graphic?
George and Mark:
Sorry for the side debate but I think that we all have to be real, and reminded of that from time to time.
I screen capped your equation on the EMF generation and it is attached to this posting.
For starters, why are you calling it "Energy" or "Energy transfer?" It looks like it's an equation for EMF generation. I have to read your second paper a few more times and it's late now. Permit me to make a few more comments/questions just the same.
There is the resonating primary inductance (two coils), and the output secondary (also two coils.) Your equation would be clearer if you define if you are talking about the primaries or secondaries for the currents, voltages, and inductance values.
I am not comfortable with your parametric coupling term (i * dL/dt). I am assuming that you are talking about the primary inductance because the primary inductance is not constant. When you state "i" I am also assuming that you are talking about the primary current. The problem is that the primary current "i" is also a function of the primary inductance and the time phase of the LC resonator. The way the equation is written it appears that you are treating the current "i" as a constant.
Sorry for all the issues raised, but if you are basing your discussion on that formula it needs to be clear and the derivation of that formula could use more explanation.
My argument is that the act of somehow varying the primary inductance itself is not a mechanism to produce power. It's the "background" process where within all that LC resonant stuff going on, you still have conventional mechanical-to-electrical generation taking place and the associated back-torque on the motor due to Lenz drag. I think you also state that in your paper.
Thanks,
MileHigh
George and Mark:
Sorry for the side debate but I think that we all have to be real, and reminded of that from time to time.
I screen capped your equation on the EMF generation and it is attached to this posting.
For starters, why are you calling it "Energy" or "Energy transfer?" It looks like it's an equation for EMF generation. I have to read your second paper a few more times and it's late now. Permit me to make a few more comments/questions just the same.
There is the resonating primary inductance (two coils), and the output secondary (also two coils.) Your equation would be clearer if you define if you are talking about the primaries or secondaries for the currents, voltages, and inductance values.
I am not comfortable with your parametric coupling term (i * dL/dt). I am assuming that you are talking about the primary inductance because the primary inductance is not constant. When you state "i" I am also assuming that you are talking about the primary current. The problem is that the primary current "i" is also a function of the primary inductance and the time phase of the LC resonator. The way the equation is written it appears that you are treating the current "i" as a constant.
Sorry for all the issues raised, but if you are basing your discussion on that formula it needs to be clear and the derivation of that formula could use more explanation.
My argument is that the act of somehow varying the primary inductance itself is not a mechanism to produce power. It's the "background" process where within all that LC resonant stuff going on, you still have conventional mechanical-to-electrical generation taking place and the associated back-torque on the motor due to Lenz drag. I think you also state that in your paper.
Thanks,
MileHigh
Greetings:
I am new to this site and am reposting the following which I have already posted on the QEG be-do.com site.
I am attaching two pdf documents. Please read them in the following order:
1st pdf attachment (our first attempt to reverse engineer the QEG)
this posting
2nd pdf attachment (a description of our construction of a 1/4 scale version of the QEG)
It was not overunity at this point, the exciter circuit needs to be completed although they are finding it difficult to find HV caps in Morocco
I just wish I could figure out how to script the process of extracting the coil current vs rotor angle from my SPICE analysis then plugging that figure into the FEMM torque vs rotor angle analysis, and finally integrating the area under the resulting curve. I'm sure octave could do that, although in this case it would probable just be faster to do it manually than to figure out all the necessary scripting.
@F_brown
Yes, I remember first learning FEMM. It's a pretty powerful FREE program. You picked up very quickly yourself! Especially on the movie and animation front!
Regarding what you are trying to do with it, try it the other way around: simulate the static behavior in FEMM as a function of angle. This should give you everything (inductance, mutual inductance, torque/amp). Check the FEMM manual for the "mo_getcircuitproperties" and "mo_blockintegral" function. Then use those static parameters in your SPICE time domain simulation (multiply the static torque/amp by the current to get the torque as a function of angle and time; this assumes we remain in the non-saturated core regime which should be OK for now; we can go back and verify later if we are indeed in that regime). To model the torque in SPICE, write down the equations of motion for the torque: it will be a second order system, one for angle (theta) as a function of time and one for angular speed (S) as a function of time and split the system into two first order differential equations, which you can then model in SPICE with an L or C circuit (I am sure Googling for e.g. "DC motor equations in SPICE" can give you some useful links). Then the angle and angular speed needs to be fed back into your original circuit:
\frac{d(LI)}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{d I}{d t} + I \cdot \frac{d L}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot \frac{dL}{d\theta} \cdot \frac{d \theta}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot \frac{dL}{d\theta} \cdot S = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot R(\theta,S)
(see attached figure for formula).
So in your original circuit you need to add a resistor that gets its value from the other two circuits (theta and S).
Hope this helps!
Glad to see you are one of the few who goes all the way out to try and model things. It's a great learning experience!
Let me know if you have question. Email me directly if that is easier for you (pmgriphone@gmail.com)
:) PmgR
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Not to worry guys! I've got a part of the TPU working and have experimentally tested out other parts. Still a ways to go, but winding every day.
The math was completed some time ago, but the circuit potential has been a booger! But we have made fantastic progress on that part of it.
The secret is definitely in the coils interactions with one another and learning to move electrons. And of course, you have to have a "real" power source. The earth's magnetic waves. ;)
Cheers,
Bruce
Sorry, to burst all your hopes,
but I just heard yeasterday regarding the QEG measurements in Morroco , that Gerhard Roessler, a German electrical engineer has just measured :
500 Watts input power from the drive motor and only 120 Watts maximal output power at the lamps...
so no overunity and no selfrunning...
it seems the claimed "raw power" of Mr. Robitaille was either measurement errors or a
lie to make lots of money with donations...too bad...
Regards, Stefan.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who is not surprised at this news.
I'm sure I'm not the only one who is not surprised at this news.
Just an update...
I got some number for you guys....but before that, I would like to register: don't call me Dumb for spend time and money in project like this one. This is my hobby and I enjoy to do that.[/size]
Input power. :- 1200Watts approximately
Output voltage :- 90 VCA approximately
Output current. :- 2.3 amps
Frequency :- 95 HZ
http://youtu.be/cSNNJyvznAc (http://youtu.be/cSNNJyvznAc)
Cheers
Ariovaldo
120 Watts of output for 500 Watts of input is
uncharacteristic of this type of generator.
Something is clearly wrong with the way it is
being evaluated. Its efficiency should be much
nearer 90% when it is properly driven and tuned.
Their operational RPMs may be too low.
You too can now earn $300/hr by being a consultant on how to make a QED work:
http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html (http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html)
No need for previous experience on proof of working devices. Only true believers need apply.
If you look at these 2 videos:Stefan unfortunately there are a lot of unscrupulous people who cheer and pretend that they have something wonderful, or will, if only people will believe and give them money. I could be wrong, but I think that JR is sincerely trying to make something work. HM has assumed the role of carnival barker and funds solicitor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNh1xyg_8w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd04pD5T88U
You can see, that the lamps are not very bright and that its combined output might really be
only 120 Watts, if you compare their brightness to the other lights in the room.
And 500 Watt input into the drive motor is usual at these speeds and load.
So I trust the measurement Gerhard Rössler has done in Morroco.
The people cheering there behave like a religeous sect.
They act as if they see a selfrunning unit, which is not the case....
Do they do this to even get more donations and hide the truth ??
Regards, Stefan.
Beautiful build, Ariovaldo!Yes, I concur! And it sounds much better than the QEGers Morocco build. Smoooth.
I am not surprised. What might be a surprise is how much money will have been spent on this and where most of that money ends up.So I gather that most people (including me) believe that Robitaille himself is sincere but misguided. Personally I believe that he is religiously motivated, having had a revelatory dream or vision that told him this device would work and Save The World (tm HypeGirl). I also believe that the woman is a cynical, conscious con artist who is manipulating James and egging him onward on their round-the-world junket.
Allegedly there are around 200 replicator teams out there that intend on doing a full-blown replication by purchasing the 'official' core which apparently costs about $3000 USD. Some of them must be reading this thread.
For those replicators that are reading this thread, can you please post directly or indirectly what you current costs are? If you can, please split that into the total parts cost in US dollars and labour costs. For the labour costs, let's say that you estimate the number of man-hours and you 'charge yourself' $25 US dollars per hour.
Any replicators willing to share this basic data with us? It would be very interesting and it will show others how much of a financial and time drain this has become.
Even if you did all of this willingly, I am sure that many of us would like to know how much this adventure has cost.
MileHigh
I am a career Electronics Engineer, who has been designing electronic controls for electric motors for 26+ years. I hold 9 patents and am knowledgeable in many different types of electric motor design. My father was a mechanical designer, so I have been immersed in the field of electro-mechanical motion from my youth. A large part of my work has been in designing rugged, efficient and manufacturable motors and electronic controls for consumer and industrial products. You may have seen some news out of the U.S. from Honda Motor Company about a new option available on the 2014 Odyssey Van - the world’s first built-in cabin vacuum cleaner system! I am the designer of the electronics and motor controls for this product.
James M Robitaille, Robert L Crevling Jr, Mark E Baer: Current regulating switch circuit. Shop Vac Corporation May 5, 1998: US05747973 (25 worldwide citation)
A regulating switch circuit for conditioning operation of a first load upon operation of a second load wherein the first load and the second load consume electrical energy from a power source includes a detecting means for detecting the operation of the second load and a sensing means for sensing an ...
Mark Baer, James M Robitaille: Ground fault interruptor circuit with electronic latch. Felchar Manufacturing Corporation January 5, 1993: US05177657 (24 worldwide citation)
A ground fault interruptor circuit interrupts the flow of current to a pair of lines extending between a source of power and a load. The ground fault interruptor circuit includes a circuit breaker comprising a normally open switch located in one or both of the lines, a relay circuit for selectively ...
James M Robitaille: Power outlet ground integrity and wriststrap monitor circuit. Ericson Manufacturing Company September 24, 1991: US05051732 (22 worldwide citation)
A plug-mounted wriststrap detector and ground monitor includes hot, neutral and ground input terminals which are connected to corresponding terminals of a power outlet when the circuit is plugged in. A jack is provided to plug a wriststrap into the circuit to provide electrostatic protection to the ...
James M Robitaille, Robert W Wilson: Electrical outlet monitor. Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing Company May 29, 1990: US04929887 (20 worldwide citation)
A monitor for detecting miswiring in standard 3-spade AC electrical outlets. The monitor includes a housing, prongs for insertion into the outlet to be tested, outlet ports for an external plug, and a banana jack for a wrist strap or other anti-static device. If the outlet is properly wired, a lamp ...
Edward M Haley, James M Robitaille, Robert L Crevling Jr, Mark E Baer: Intelligent switch control circuit. Shop Vac Corporation April 24, 2001: US06222285 (18 worldwide citation)
A sensing circuit is useful with a power outlet and a power tool having power supplied thereto via the power outlet. The sensing circuit includes a generator, a transmitter, and a detector. A first signal having a high frequency is developed by the generator and supplied to a first terminal of the p ...
Career Electronics Engineer of 26+ years, James M. Robitaille of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, USA recently resigned his position to bring a Home Quantum Energy Generator technology forward.
Do you need help with your QEG plans? FTW will be offering consulting services to assist with QEG and CICU start ups. James Robitaille, the QEG inventor will be available for technical consulting and Hope Girl will be available for business operations related consulting.
You too can now earn $300/hr by being a consultant on how to make a QED work:
http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html
No need for previous experience on proof of working devices. Only true believers need apply.
WOW, more than a page of bashing the QEG team (Jamie, Val & Hope)I for one would not have a problem with these guys if they had not lied about what they had and used those lies to raise money. I do not see any evidence that they have added to our knowledge of anything that is going to help with either energy or pollution.
Do you feel better now?... love and joy for your follows?
The QEG team may not have a working alternative energy solution for the needy of the world at this time or ever... but, I feel they are genuinely trying to help change the pathetic state the world has reached with the general mindset our educatedly certified have reached that there is nothing else then the science they've learned. This is well demonstrated in this topic.
Why not use knowledge and time to think of something that hasn't been tried and post your suggestion or ideas.
If you can't come up with something, then why would you criticize those who try?... seriously, give this some thought to see how it helps.
The day we work together will be the day of change.
I will not debate this nor should anyone who understands.
Just sharing
Luc
...
Finally, if the guy does have all of this motor control experience over 26 years, why is he fiddling with a bloody Flintstones variac with a dumb DC motor with no motor speed control at all? Why doesn't he just spec in a COTS variable-speed servo motor controller + motor with the best bang for your buck to drive the QEG and keep it in resonance under varying loads?
...
MileHigh
Why not use knowledge and time to think of something that hasn't been tried and post your suggestion or ideas.
If you can't come up with something, then why would you criticize those who try?... seriously, give this some thought to see how it helps.
The day we work together will be the day of change.
Well said Luc
Check out post 389
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16584-analysis-witts-generator-13.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16584-analysis-witts-generator-13.html)
It ain't over yet.
I am going to enter rarely visited waters...Now let's complicate it slightly.
The example circuit to analyze the problem is trivial - it's just an ideal inductor shorted by an ideal wire.
The formula for your inductance as a function of time:
L(t) = (sin(omega * t) +2) [inductance varies between 1 and 3 Henries] Note - I am avoiding a divide-by-zero problem
Let's define the initial conditions and use something simple to illustrate the problem: When the inductance is 3 Henries, say the current is 5 amps. That means you have 37.5 joules stored in the coil under these conditions.
Everything is ideal, so no energy is lost. We just need to solve for the current as a function of inductance. Since the inductance also varies with time, you effectively are also solving for the current as a function of time. The voltage across the coil is always zero, and that may help us to simplify things.
Let's take a peek at how things look when the inductance is 1 henry. You still have to have 37.5 joules stored in the inductor therefore the current has to be:
E = 1/2 L I^2
I^2 = 2E/L
I = sqrt(2E/L)
Therefore when L = 1 Henry, i = 8.66 amps.
Of course, now that they are selling their time for 300 dollars an hour plus expenses as consultants to help _others_ get their units up and running.... when they can't get their own units "running"... they are selling something they don't have (the knowledge to do what they claim to teach) therefore: conscious fraud.
One of the things that I think could help is a basic power analyzer that is affordable and reasonably accurate: Say +/-5%. I think that is a doable project that could be done open source so that for less than $200. and perhaps as little as $100. people working with electrical machines could quickly assess actual input and output power precisely enough to know if they have something with real promise, or are just misleading themselves with poor power measurements.Something like this?
WOW, more than a page of bashing the QEG team (Jamie, Val & Hope)
Do you feel better now?... love and joy for your follows?
The QEG team may not have a working alternative energy solution for the needy of the world at this time or ever... but, I feel they are genuinely trying to help change the pathetic state the world has reached with the general mindset our educatedly certified have reached that there is nothing else then the science they've learned. This is well demonstrated in this topic.
Why not use knowledge and time to think of something that hasn't been tried and post your suggestion or ideas.
If you can't come up with something, then why would you criticize those who try?... seriously, give this some thought to see how it helps.
The day we work together will be the day of change.
I will not debate this nor should anyone who understands.
Just sharing
Luc
I didn't mean for you to look in the hole in your head...silly goose.
Question to LUC
These folks that are running this presentation .
What is their previous involvement in benevolent or charitable behavior,do they have a history of helping to open source or giving freely of their time and hard work [Like yourself and many here].
I am being quite serious and honestly do not know the character or these people.
One very big red flag for poor character is the honesty issue which has been referenced here.
or has that been taken out of context??
thx
Chet
Captain Zero:
The problem is that your rebuttal stops after the "holes." You have nothing to say past that point.
Read this and weep: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire)
MileHigh
Well said Luc
Check out post 389
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16584-analysis-witts-generator-13.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16584-analysis-witts-generator-13.html)
It ain't over yet.
Now let's complicate it slightly.
In your example above the cause of the inductance change was not given. It was just abstractly assumed to happen somehow.
In the following exercise, I will attempt to give it a real cause.
Let's propose that the change in inductance is caused by an ideal ferrite core at rest being attracted into that ideal air coil from far away, in absence of gravity, so that its inductance changes from 1H (when the core is away) to 3H (when the core is inside the coil). See the graph below for a realistic relationship between the core's distance and the inductance of the coil (taken from a real linear motor).
According to your calculations when the core is away the current flowing through the coil is 8.66A and when the core is inside the coil the current flowing in it is 5A. ...Fine.
Let's assume that the acceleration of the core into the coil from 10cm away takes 100ms and when the core reaches the middle of the coil its speed is 1m/s.
10µs before the core reaches the middle of the coil, a switch is opened and all of the energy stored in the coil (37.5J) is discharged into an ideal capacitor in 10µs. Now all of the energy is in the capacitor and no current flows through the coil. At this point the capacitor is disconnected from the coil (so it cannot recharge the coil back) and the massive core continues on its path with constant velocity because now the coil is opened and has no current flowing in it, thus it cannot exert any force on the departing core.
But wait! Now, we have all of our input energy recovered in a capacitor but the departing core has significant remaining kinetic energy :o
So the current in the coil will decease due to two factors, 1) the increased inductance, and 2) the internal counter-EMF from the motor action.Yes ℰ=-dΦ/dt but Δi ∝ ΔΦ.
Question to LUC
These folks that are running this presentation .
What is their previous involvement in benevolent or charitable behavior,do they have a history of helping to open source or giving freely of their time and hard work [Like yourself and many here].
I am being quite serious and honestly do not know the character or these people.
One very big red flag for poor character is the honesty issue which has been referenced here.
or has that been taken out of context??
thx
Chet
I would like to register: don't call me Dumb for spend time and money in project like this one. This is my hobby and I enjoy to do that.[/size]I can only imagine the difficulty of fabricating and testing in the days of Tesla. We are so blessed to have such vast amount of information at our finger tips. Thank you Luc. Thank you Ariovoldo. For your replications and for sharing those with us. Thank you all that have shared your simulations and calculations. All of which is information that someday may be used to trigger an overunity device. I do not need a degree to understand and appreciate this.
Something like this?That's sort of the general idea. Analog multiplication has the advantage of being fundamentally synchronous. The alternative is to sample two channels of A/D fast enough. In order to make a practical instrument design, scaling for the current and voltage inputs would be needed along with protection components and such. That particular multiplier you picked is very nice but does not seem to be available.
So what if the Qeg fails to achieve overunity. Does this mean that this has all been a waste of time. Just the opposite. I believe that everyone who has shared their findings should be applauded...
The alternative is to sample two channels of A/D fast enough. In order to make a practical instrument design, scaling for the current and voltage inputs would be neededWhich means simultaneous sampling and analog preamplification to always take advantage of the full dynamic range of these ADCs. Otherwise you'd be multiplying two huge quantization errors...and in some cases that can lead to only 4 discrete power levels, ...an ugly low res staircase!
That particular multiplier you picked is very nice but does not seem to be available.But you can get the ADL5391 from here (http://uk.farnell.com/analog-devices/adl5391acpz/ic-multiplier-2-0ghz-16lfcsp/dp/2072484) for $15.
Do you folks not get it? These people are charging real money ($300/hour) to tell you how to get THEIR unit to get O.U. even though they themselves can not do it. Forget about good attempts or good intentions, this is now their intentions....to get money to tell you how to do something they can not do. Where I come from, this is fraud.
Not too different from Magnacoaster selling you an overunity device for $5,000 and will only accept a return of the device if it is in "working" condition. Forget that it did not work when it left his factory, and he can not make one work himself.
Wake up folks. Once again, these folks give all of us really working on legit stuff a bad name.
Really? 500 watts in and 100 watts out? I can build a circuit to do that in my sleep. Hell, my toaster is more efficient than that. "But they are trying to save the world." Really? You can save the world with a fraud?
Bill
Which means simultaneous sampling and analog preamplification to always take advantage of the full dynamic range of these ADCs. Otherwise you'd be multiplying two huge quantization errors...and in some cases that can lead to only 4 discrete power levels, ...an ugly low res staircase!Thanks for finding the English distributor has it in stock. Lower frequency parts like the AD635 are stock in the USA. The 2GHz capability of the ADL5391 is way beyond what is needed in most cases and would take incredible extra care with the surrounding circuitry to even come close to utilizing it. I do like the linearity on that part. Lower frequency parts like the AD635 are stock in the USA. Those go to 250MHz which is more than adequate. Even though they are an older design and more expensive, I lean towards them a bit for availability and zero reference at circuit common. In either case an instrument can be devised that is within +/-3% or so without great difficulty, and maybe +/-1.5% or so if good care is taken. A final choice on a part requires some study of the noise numbers and some other parameters.
But you can get the ADL5391 from here (http://uk.farnell.com/analog-devices/adl5391acpz/ic-multiplier-2-0ghz-16lfcsp/dp/2072484) for $15.
That one can go up to 2GHz but is unbuffered.
"if... fails"? The claim it to already have produced over unity.Are you suggesting that you might have a means to a possible over unity clocked data bus? I think we should start raising money right now.
Paramatric generators are not new. If I start a campaign in 2014 to use a wire to communicate 2 computers using a clock, data lines would you say its not a waste of time for experimenters out of ignorance to see if such a task can be accomplished? Both serial communication and paramatric generators are history and in use. The claim it to already have produced over unity.
Those who have concluded that the Qeg is a dead end should stop watching.
"But they are trying to save the world." Really? You can save the world with a fraud?
Well, in order for me to assess the relevance of the 'hat' pic, I would have to know the context...
Now they are blaing it on the wrong caps and not yet tuned.Mr. Jalapeno does not sound very much like an independent evaluator to me. He speaks very much as an apologist. The bottom line is that these machines do not do what WITTS and FTW claim: resonance or no resonance.
Here they show 35 % efficiency...
http://sitsshow.blogspot.de/2014/05/status-of-qeg-build-morocco-build-day-9.html
Well, if they tune it up, I still believe, that they don´t get this above 80 % efficiency...
"if... fails"? The claim it to already have produced over unity.
Paramatric generators are not new. If I start a campaign in 2014 to use a wire to communicate 2 computers using a clock, data lines would you say its not a waste of time for experimenters out of ignorance to see if such a task can be accomplished? Both serial communication and paramatric generators are history and in use. The claim it to already have produced over unity.
Now they are blaing it on the wrong caps and not yet tuned.
Here they show 35 % efficiency...
http://sitsshow.blogspot.de/2014/05/status-of-qeg-build-morocco-build-day-9.html (http://sitsshow.blogspot.de/2014/05/status-of-qeg-build-morocco-build-day-9.html)
Well, if they tune it up, I still believe, that they don´t get this above 80 % efficiency...
Why does the Mutual Inductance depend on the Primary Current ?
The mutual inductance is calculated here as Secondary Flux / Primary CurrentBut flux does not generate current in inductors. Only a change in flux does.
Tishatang (http://www.energeticforum.com/members/tishatang.html)
I found some info that I think relates to this discussion thread. This pdf has lots of info re ferro resonance.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/T...%20and%20D.pdf (http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/Trans-verter%20R%20and%20D.pdf)
Also new for me, is this statement on page 26 about "iron loss" the core loses weight. Maybe this is the source of the energy, loss of mass converted?
Quote:Resonance is the fundamental base of ZPE energy transformation.
OU is transformation. On an improper heat treated & aged transformer laminate plates at resonance a phenomenon occurs called Iron loss. (Core looses weight) & no one wants to touch the issue with a ten meter pole. Seike reported weight loss in his ferroxplana cores, proper resonance with nature open door to Unforced sea of energy
Maybe someone can forward this info to the QEG team. Maybe it will help solve some problems?
Tishatang (http://www.energeticforum.com/members/tishatang.html)
I found some info that I think relates to this discussion thread. This pdf has lots of info re ferro resonance.
http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/T...%20and%20D.pdf (http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/Trans-verter%20R%20and%20D.pdf)
Also new for me, is this statement on page 26 about "iron loss" the core loses weight. Maybe this is the source of the energy, loss of mass converted?
Quote:Resonance is the fundamental base of ZPE energy transformation.
OU is transformation. On an improper heat treated & aged transformer laminate plates at resonance a phenomenon occurs called Iron loss. (Core looses weight) & no one wants to touch the issue with a ten meter pole. Seike reported weight loss in his ferroxplana cores, proper resonance with nature open door to Unforced sea of energy
Maybe someone can forward this info to the QEG team. Maybe it will help solve some problems?
An interesting thing is to known what material other than the magnet is capable of diminish or raise the inductance?A ferromagnetic substance can increase the inductance of an air coil and a diamagnetic substance can decrease it.
A ferromagnetic substance can increase the inductance of an air coil and a diamagnetic substance can decrease it.
Shorted conducting loops or bulk conductors can decrease it too.
A very interesting puzzle indeed and I thought about it.This puzzle is still bothering me so I have found a relevant video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvShY8YAis4).
So just before the capacitor charging through the diode will take place, the current flowing in the coil will be _less_ than 5 amperes.
One more data visualization for the QEG rotor torque vs rotor angle and primary current.Very nice surface plot. The inventors should be ashamed that they have not provided data like this
Very nice surface plot. The inventors should be ashamed that they have not provided data like this
Do you think Hope is controlling him against his will, making him commit reputational suicide?I am a very poor judge of character. I'm more often wrong than right about people.
F_Brown,
Great number crunching! It's amazing to think that people may have spent months and months in the 1950s on adding machines to get the same results you got in a few days. If you had a "real" CPU it would take hours. Also, if you have a higher-end AMD/ATI or Nvidea graphics card you might find a modeling package that would use your GPU. Then all of a sudden you have a parallel processing super supercomputer to work with.
Meanwhile, it looks like the forum software has scrambled brains, the formating is all amiss. MIB attack! lol
Meanwhile, no hope for HopeGirl and what will the soon-to-be former-minions do I wonder? Get your pitchforks! lol
MileHigh
I was thinking the same thing. If Jamie was worth his salt as an engineer, he would have.
Do you think Hope is controlling him against his will, making him commit reputational suicide?
If this thing turns out to be a flop, those two are going to get laughed off the planet...
Very interesting points that you raise and you linked to a very interesting video clip. I am going to confess I don't have the answer.Well, at least we had an intelligent conversation. I wish that there was more of that on this forum.
I've priced small count lots from transformer manufacturers, and the price for the QEG core from Torelco actually sounds like a pretty good price all considered.
I want to get my new and improved spice model working so that I can then compare that to the results from the builders.
Well, at least we had an intelligent conversation. I wish that there was more of that on this forum.Lenz' Law enforces CoE for Faraday's Law of Induction.
To tell you the truth I don't feel comfortable with the Lenz law being in conflict with the C.o.E. either.
I watched 3 videos about the Lenz law from Lasseviren1 and I like the way he expresses himself.
I noticed that he wrongly used B where he should have used Φ, because a "hoop wants to minimize" the change in total flux, not a change in flux density.
The "Status Quo" that he mentions should refer to total flux (Φ) through the hoop - not the flux density (B) through the hoop.
I wish I had his email to talk to him, because I am not registered on YT and never will be.
Would a tape wound core work in this application? I understand there are articulations in the center ring, but maybe there are ways around this. The tooling cost would probably be a lot less than a custom die or laser cut laminations. Tapewound cores are often used in large Variacs and toroidal power transformers.
How much does the core weigh?
Lenz' Law enforces CoE for Faraday's Law of Induction.Yes it does, but sth is different in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvShY8YAis4) situation when a closed coil is used with movable ferrite and KE is accounted for.
Yes it does, but sth is different in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvShY8YAis4) situation when a closed coil is used with movable ferrite and KE is accounted for.Lenz' Law only states the direction of the induced EMF that results from Faraday's Law of Induction. Lenz' Law is the "-" sign in: ℰ = -dΦ/dt.
In an ideal shorted coil, any non-zero EMF (ℰ) would result in infinite current because I=ℰ/R.
So Faraday's Law of Induction (ℰ = -dΦ/dt) does not seem to apply in case of ideal shorted coils because the Lenz law always keeps dΦ/dt=0.
Lenz' Law only states the direction of the induced EMF that results from Faraday's Law of Induction. Lenz' Law is the "-" sign in: ℰ = -dΦ/dt.Not only. It also refers to the magnitude of the induced current.
I know. That's why I used the conditional word "would" to illustrate the absurd proposition of non-zero EMF in a zero resistance loop.In an ideal shorted coil, any non-zero EMF (ℰ) would result in infinite current because I=ℰ/R.In the case of a superconducting ring, there is no resistance, but there is inductance. The current does not build to an infinite value.
Consider that in the familiar experiment of a strong magnet suspended above a superconducting plate, the Lorentz force is exactly equal to the acceleration due to gravity. The magnet does not fall, and it does not go shooting towards the sky. The induced current generates a finite magnetic flux.Again, you do not need to prove this to me because I already know that induced flux is finite.
Ariovaldo:
Greatly appreciate your efforts and the info that you've openly shared. No matter the outcome of the QEG you provide many who are naturally curious and inquisitive an opportunity to learn more. Thank you for posting your findings whether they are disappointing or not. You're a true experimenter and do fine work.
In return for sharing your data you deserve constructive feedback that may help you to accurately analyze it and gather more. In case it will help you I'm attaching some audio spectrum screens that I saved of your most recent video titled: Quantum Energy Generator - Ariovaldo Replication > http://youtu.be/cSNNJyvznAc (http://youtu.be/cSNNJyvznAc)
I noticed that on this YouTube video post you listed the frequency as 195 Hz but listed it as 95 Hz on this thread. Perhaps a typo on this thread, because if 195 Hz is the frequency on your oscilloscope at the 1:20 minute mark of your video it matches up with the 193 Hz frequency in the attached audio spectrum file named QEG Ariovaldo 1.20MinMark 0.5K LoadOn Oscope.jpg. I captured that audio spectrum screen as you were zoomed in on your oscilloscope so that this comparison could be made. The other two attached files show a broader audio spectrum span to show the peak audio frequency at 1067 Hz and the higher order harmonics.
Let me know if there are any other specific audio spectrums of your videos that you would like to see. It will be very interesting to find out more about the mechanical resonance frequency and the electrical resonance frequency of your QEG and how the changes you make will affect them. Please confirm if the sinusoidal frequency displayed on your oscilloscope at the 1:20 minute mark of this video is an output frequency of 195 Hz. I understood that your total primary capacitance was 0.125uF, if possible it would also be good to confirm the following:
1. RPM of the QEG rotor during this video run?
2. Inductance of your primary and secondary coils and the wire size and length used?
3. Any deviations from the QEG User Manual and schematic other than DC motor pulley ratio and the end plate material?
Looking forward to the other tests you have planned, be safe first and foremost.
Muy bien hecho, saludos con mucha gratitude.
Would a tape wound core work in this application? I understand there are articulations in the center ring, but maybe there are ways around this. The tooling cost would probably be a lot less than a custom die or laser cut laminations. Tapewound cores are often used in large Variacs and toroidal power transformers.
How much does the core weigh?
So what if the Qeg fails to achieve overunity. Does this mean that this has all been a waste of time. Just the opposite. I believe that everyone who has shared their findings should be applauded. If the tone of this and other forums ever discourage others from experimentation and sharing their results, it will be a lose for all. I can only imagine the difficulty of fabricating and testing in the days of Tesla. We are so blessed to have such vast amount of information at our finger tips. Thank you Luc. Thank you Ariovoldo. For your replications and for sharing those with us. Thank you all that have shared your simulations and calculations. All of which is information that someday may be used to trigger an overunity device. I do not need a degree to understand and appreciate this.
Not only. It also refers to the magnitude of the induced current.No, no, a thousand times no. Lenz' Law only specifies the direction of induced EMF, nothing else.
A superconductor rejects the magnetic field within the conductor. IOW: the internal inductance approaches infinity, the skin depth approaches zero and the the EMF appears entirely on the surface.
In the case of a superconducting ring, there is no resistance, but there is inductance. The current does not build to an infinite value.
I know. That's why I used the conditional word "would" to illustrate the absurd proposition of non-zero EMF in a zero resistance loop.
Again, you do not need to prove this to me because I already know that induced flux is finite.
My point was another one.
Namely, that a closed superconducting loop maintains constant flux through its crossection.
Constant flux also means that dΦ/dt=0 and that EMF is zero.
Your post incorrectly claimed that a superconducting ring violates Lenz' Law. It does not.
Instead of proving the obvious to me,
That is a new question. The answer is yes: changing dB/dt changes the induced current.
you should concentrate on answering this interesting question:
Q: "A magnet is pulled out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvShY8YAis4) of a shorted superconducting aircoil. Does the magnitude of the final current induced in that coil depend on how quickly the magnet is pulled out ?".
No, no, a thousand times no. Lenz' Law only specifies the direction of induced EMF, nothing else.So let's agree to disagree on the interpretation of this law. There is nothing to be gained by arguing over formalities.
A superconductor rejects the magnetic field within the conductor.But the subject of this conversation is a closed superconducting loop with a hole, not some holeless superconducting disk, etc...
Your post incorrectly claimed that a superconducting ring violates Lenz' Law.You misunderstood. It did not.
That is a new question. The answer is yes: changing dB/dt changes the induced current.First of all, changing magnetic flux density (dB/dt) does not cause any voltage to be induced across any coil nor any current in any coil. I guess that dB was a typo.
So let's agree to disagree on the interpretation of this law. There is nothing to be gained by arguing over formalities.No, let's stick to the accepted definitions of established scientific laws. If one decides that one can make up their own definitions for established laws then one can play all kinds of ridiculous games claiming to violate the made up definitions. That is a completely pointless undertaking.
You can decide to adopt the same language that the rest of the world uses to describe induction or not.
Perhaps you call the tendency to minimize the change of flux through the hole of a shorted coil by another name. I am interested to know by what?
Faraday cages still work. If you want one to work in all three axes, then it needs to be a closed surface.
If however you claim that a constant magnetic flux is not maintained through the hole of an ideal closed conductive loop, then let's discuss that.
But the subject of this conversation is a superconducting loop with a hole, not some holeless superconducting disk, etc...The subject as stated was the false assertion that the flat toroid violates Lenz' Law. It does not violate Lenz' Law.
We are discussing the magnetic flux through that hole - not flux within the superconducting material.You seem to keep changing what it is that you wish to discuss. Are we done with Lenz' now?
You do not claim that a superconducting loop rejects all the magnetic flux in that hole, do you?I never said such a thing.
( Note: This is very different from claiming that a superconducting loop rejects all changes to the magnetic flux in that hole )As there is nothing to create an image in the perpendicular axis, I disagree.
You misunderstood. It did not.
I claim that a constant magnetic flux is maintained through the hole of an ideal conductive loop, and any current induced in that loop will achieve the exact magnitude to keep that flux constant.
No.
Tell that to the ignition coil in your automobile. If it is perpendicular to the length of a conductor, dB/dt most certainly induces a voltage.
First of all, changing magnetic flux density (dB/dt) does not cause any voltage to be induced across any coil nor any current in any coil. I guess that dB was a typo.
Which can be found as dB/dt x L and the induction occurs whether or not the coil is shorted.
It is the changing magnetic flux (dΦ/dt) that causes a voltage (EMF) to be induced across a non-shorted coil.
In the plane of the flat torus that is true. Perpendicular to it is a different matter. If that were not true, think of all the money we could save shielding circuits, EMC chambers and the like by leaving two opposite sides open.
Secondly, because a constant magnetic flux is maintained through the hole of an ideal closed conductive loop, then the dΦ/dt=0.
You can decide to adopt the same language that the rest of the world uses to describe induction .So what do you call the tendency to minimize the change of flux through the hole of a shorted coil ?
Faraday cages still work. If you want one to work in all three axes, then it needs to be a closed surface.Now you are changing the subject
The subject as stated was the false assertion that the flat toroid violates Lenz' Law.No you misunderstood. I agree with the Lenz law.
As there is nothing to create an image in the perpendicular axis, I disagree.So are you claiming that this simulation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvShY8YAis4) is incorrect ?
Tell that to the ignition coil in your automobile.I did and she said that it cares about varying flux only. It does not care about local flux density.
If it is perpendicular to the length of a conductor, dB/dt most certainly induces a voltage.Only when magnetic flux lines cut the conductor. That does not happen in a superconductive loop.
Which can be found as dB/dt x L and the induction occurs whether or not the coil is shorted.
In the plane of the flat torus that is true.And the flux penetrating the inside plane of the loop is all that influences the current flowing in the loop.
Perpendicular to it is a different matter. If that were not true, think of all the money we could save shielding circuits, EMC chambers and the like by leaving two opposite sides open.Yes, it is a different matter. The height of the torus is negligible - that's why I call it a loop.
The answer is yes: changing dB/dt changes the induced current.Varying dB/dt was not even the subject of the original question.
It's impossible for anything to achieve an infinite value because no such set value exists by definition. Anything that points to any value that is infinite is inadequate. Infinity cannot even be approached. I say that some folks ought to seriously think about restricting the use of terms like infinite current and approaching infinity because they are impossibilities.Yes but infinity is a useful mathematical and analytical concept.
Would a tape wound core work in this application? I understand there are articulations in the center ring, but maybe there are ways around this. The tooling cost would probably be a lot less than a custom die or laser cut laminations. Tapewound cores are often used in large Variacs and toroidal power transformers.
How much does the core weigh?
Yes but infinity is a useful mathematical and analytical concept.
The word does not warrant a knee-jerk rejection without consideration of the context in which it was used.
Why should I use restrict my usage of the phrase "infinite current" if it can be used to show the absurdity of some situations, such as EMF in zero-resistance loop ?
Did you ever hear about the fine debating technique Reductio ad Absurdum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum) ?
I tried adding clamp on pole pieces to a tape wound core and abandoned it since we only got 8% variation in inductance. Let me know how you do with your mode. A pic of my core is attached.
I tried adding clamp on pole pieces to a tape wound core and abandoned it since we only got 8% variation in inductance. Let me know how you do with your mode. A pic of my core is attached.
Induction.QuoteQuote from: MarkE on Today at 04:36:55 PM
You can decide to adopt the same language that the rest of the world uses to describe induction .
So what do you call the tendency to minimize the change of flux through the hole of a shorted coil ?
Not at all. Induction creates an image current. Ideal induction, IE induction where there are zero losses induces an exact image current. A Faraday cage creates image currents on all sides. That's what makes it work. Your ring is not closed on all sides, cannot generate an image current regardless of the orientation of the changing flux and therefore cannot cancel the flux independent of orientation.QuoteQuote from: MarkE on Today at 04:36:55 PMNow you are changing the subject
Faraday cages still work. If you want one to work in all three axes, then it needs to be a closed surface.
QuoteQuote from: MarkE on Today at 04:36:55 PM
The subject as stated was the false assertion that the flat toroid violates Lenz' Law.
No you misunderstood. I agree with the Lenz law.
QuoteQuote from: MarkE on May 06, 2014, 02:50:42 AM
Lenz' Law enforces CoE for Faraday's Law of Induction.
Yes it does, but sth is different in this situation when a closed coil is used with movable ferrite and KE is accounted for.
In an ideal shorted coil, any non-zero EMF (ℰ) would result in infinite current because I=ℰ/R.
So Faraday's Law of Induction (ℰ = -dΦ/dt) does not seem to apply in case of ideal shorted coils because the Lenz law always keeps dΦ/dt=0.
I have not evaluated the animation.QuoteQuote from: MarkE on Today at 04:36:55 PM
As there is nothing to create an image in the perpendicular axis, I disagree.
So are you claiming that this simulation is incorrect ?
If not, I do not see the total flux in the hole varying as the magnet is pulled out.
Which axis? What image?Flux can change in the Z axis without generation of corresponding matching image currents in the X-Y plane.
Are you unclear what dt means?Quote
Quote from: MarkE on Today at 04:36:55 PM
Tell that to the ignition coil in your automobile.
I did and she said that it cares about varying flux only. It does not care about local flux density.
Now you seem to be unclear about what "x" signifies as in cross product.Quote
Quote from: MarkE on Today at 04:36:55 PM
If it is perpendicular to the length of a conductor, dB/dt most certainly induces a voltage.
Which can be found as dB/dt x L and the induction occurs whether or not the coil is shorted.
Only when magnetic flux lines cut the conductor. That does not happen in a superconductive loop.
But should not be confused for all of the flux from the magnet, much of which easily goes straight through that hole with its permeability of 1. If you are having trouble with this, consider what happens when you make the ID of the donut approach the OD of the donut. For a constant OD, do you think that the current:Quote
Quote from: MarkE on Today at 04:36:55 PM
In the plane of the flat torus that is true.
And the flux penetrating the inside plane of the loop is all that influences the current flowing in the loop.
The distribution of that flux (B) across that plane does not affect the current flowing in that loop.The rate at which the flux changes sure does.
Thin or thick torus is not the issue. Intercepting or not intercepting all the flux is the issue. where a conductor does not intercept flux, it does not intercept that flux when that flux changes and does not in turn generate an image of that changing flux.Quote
Quote from: MarkE on Today at 04:36:55 PM
Perpendicular to it is a different matter. If that were not true, think of all the money we could save shielding circuits, EMC chambers and the like by leaving two opposite sides open.
Yes, it is a different matter. The height of the torus is negligible - that's why I call it a loop.
We are not discussing Faraday's cages.Oh, but we are. If one wants to make it look like there is no changing flux, then one needs to intercept and image all the flux that participates in the change.
We are discussing whether the rate of attempted change of flux (dΦ/dt) penetrating the inside plane of the loop (or a Gaussian surface bounding the inside of that loop) affects the final magnitude of the current induced in that loop.That has been asked and answered. The answer is yes the current depends on the rate of change of the intercepting flux.
Oh but it is.Quote
Quote from: MarkE on Today at 02:39:31 PM
The answer is yes: changing dB/dt changes the induced current.
Varying dB/dt was not even the subject of the original question.
It doesn't happen because the work required for each new withdrawal similarly increases.
However if changing dΦ/dt changes the induced current then inserting the magnet slowly into the hole and pulling it out quickly, and doing that repeatedly would increase the magnitude of the current flowing in the closed superconducting loop with each cycle, until HC was reached and all hell broke loose ... yet somehow this does not happen
The answer is yes the current depends on the rate of change of the intercepting flux.Similarly to what?However if changing dΦ/dt changes the induced current then inserting the magnet slowly into the hole and pulling it out quickly, and doing that repeatedly would increase the magnitude of the current flowing in the closed superconducting loop with each cycle, until HC was reached and all hell broke loose ... yet somehow this does not happenIt doesn't happen because the work required for each new withdrawal similarly increases.
Similarly to the current increasing. For your example of slow in and fast out, after the first cycle the work released pulling in increases each cycle and the work required to withdraw the magnet faster than it gets pulled in increases. This continues until the magnet saturates. Then the rate of change of flux drops way off and the increases each cycle become smaller and smaller.QuoteIt doesn't happen because the work required for each new withdrawal similarly increases.
Similarly to what?
To the work done by the pull-in ?
Ordinary text book induction backs my position. What backs yours? On what basis would you claim that induction fundamentally changes because the conductor gets really really good?
You have answered but you have not proven that the work done during fast withdrawal of a magnet from a closed ideal current loop is greater than the work done by the loop attracting the magnet back into the loop from the same distance.
Lorentz would disagree for the same reasons as Faraday and Maxwell. A different rate of change of flux changes the image current and the Lorentz force.
I claim that not only the integrals of the force over the distance are equal in both of those cases but the functions of force vs distance are equal too.
You are greatly abusing the term "conservative". There is not a fixed quantity of energy stored in a superconductor. Consider that if there were that superconductors would offer no promise for energy storage.
In other words the loop is conservative as far as this work is concerned and it does not matter how fast that work is done on the loop or by the loop.
Well I hope you eventually learn something from this.
Magnet & Superconducting Loop Animated GIF Test
Click here (http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/downfile/id/573/) to see it animated
I am not finished...
"I'd also like to explore a potential misconception about the CEG and harmonic frequencies."
The greatest misconception about the QEG is the idea that it CAN work. There is nothing in the design or concept that even hints at being possible. If Tesla could see the connection with his work, he would come back from the dead to refute this nonsense.
I have yet o work out the math for your magnet and super-conductor gizmo, although I expect the law of conservation of mass and energy would apply to this in such a way that if the super-conducting ring has zero current to begin with, then if the magnet was moved a fixed distance into the center of the loop, then withdrawn exactly the same distance, the current in the loop would return to zero, at the end, regardless of how fast the insertion or withdrawal were each separately done.I just got back.
It doesn't happen because the work required for each new withdrawal similarly increases.But the work done by the pull-in is proportional to the magnitude of current flowing in that SC loop because the current exerts force on the magnet via the magnetic field it generates. So Work ∝ Current.Similarly to what? To the work done by the pull-in ?Similarly to the current increasing.
For your example of slow in and fast out, after the first cycle the work released pulling in increases each cycle and the work required to withdraw the magnet faster than it gets pulled in increases.Why?
This continues until the magnet saturates.Only with a real magnet and it is not saturation but irreversible coercive demagnetization.
Ordinary text book induction backs my position. What backs yours?Logic and empiricism.
On what basis would you claim that induction fundamentally changes because the conductor gets really really good?Logic and empiricism.
Lorentz would disagree for the same reasons as Faraday and Maxwell.Much of their wisdom is not applicable in this case, because flux lines do not cut the loop and non-zero EMF cannot exist across a SC loop.
A different rate of change of flux changes the image current and the Lorentz force.In resistive coils cut by flux lines - yes, but in superconductive coils not cut by flux lines - no.
You are greatly abusing the term "conservative".I don't think so. A magnetic field of a SC loop is conservative analogically to Earth and its gravitation field or mechanical energy stored by a spring..
There is not a fixed quantity of energy stored in a superconductor.I never claimed that energy stored in a SC loop is fixed. I still believe that it is variable and equal to ½LI2
Consider that if there were that superconductors would offer no promise for energy storage.They do because energy stored in them is still proportional to the product of flux and current flowing in them.
Well I hope you eventually learn something from this.One of us will ;)
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What is WITTS ?WITTS is the long running scam of Timothy Thrapp.
The donation concept goes one way for Witts: you can donate to them and MAYBE get something back, but don't expect them to donate their time or knowledge.Then there is Mark Goldes and his sham 501(c)3 Aesop Institute which is nothing more than a marketing front for his sham technology companies.
The 'donate' approach is done for legal (IRS) reasons. Imho, the IRS could (and should) go after Witts for running an tax fraud: having a specific fixed 'donation' for a specific product/service is equivalent to a purchase/sale.
New from Morocco: They seem to have achieve a tank resonance of 88Hz with a 7.75kVrms voltage and COP of 0.35.
http://removingtheshackles.blogspot.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-update-doing-it-differently.html
That would mean a rotor speed of 5280 rpm.
This morning I found that by using a capacitor in parallel with the primary of a step-down transformer in series with the primary circuit, I was able to extract 10.7 kw into a resistive load attached to the secondary of the step down transformer, where earlier without such a cap I was only able to extract about 5.2 kw. The parallel cap nulls the phase shift created by putting the primary of the step-down transformer in series with the primary of the QEG, thus making that step-down transformer appear as a purely resistive load to the primary of the QEG.
After this I tried attaching a full wave rectifier to the secondary of the step-down transformer. The resonance in the primary of the QEG immediately refused to initiate, and I was unable to adjust the circuit values to restore resonance in the QEG primary with the rectifier attached to the secondary of the step-down transformer.
Since none of the replicators have yet to attempt the same with an actual build, and as far as I am aware even James has yet to attempt this, I am very keen to learn just what happens when someone does.
As far as I can determine from the simulations the QEG only likes purely resistive load, regardless if they are connected directly in series with the primary or isolated with a transformer. If this turns out to be true for the physical replications as well, it will be a very limiting characteristic of the QEG.
l have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency. It is well known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self induction; hence, in any coil, however small the capacity', it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured.
A quote from Mr Tesla's patent, http://www.google.com/patents/US512340 .The Tesla quote is a restatement of series resonance where 1/jwC identically equals jwL.
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Where do you get such funny ideas reading things that I have not stated? Work performed is not proportional to the current. It is proportional to the square of the current.
But the work done by the pull-in is proportional to the magnitude of current flowing in that SC loop because the current exerts force on the magnet via the magnetic field it generates. So Work ∝ Current.
Are you claiming that the integral of force over distance is disproportionate to the current flowing in the SC loop?
Why?
Faraday and Maxwell would both beg to differ.
You have not proven yet that a greater dΦ/dt leaves greater current in the SC loop than smaller dΦ/dt, thus you cannot use that to prove the other statement about disproportionality of work between two halves of the cycle.
Actually the one thing that I overlooked is that the coil looking like a perfect inductor will identically integrate the rate of change in flux with respect to time, which should lead to a constant induction for a given magnet starting from a fixed distance. Retracting the magnet in the opposite direction to its initial position relative to the ring reverses out whatever current was induced by bringing the magnet closer to the ring.
Only with a real magnet and it is not saturation but irreversible coercive demagnetization.
If you don't believe Maxwell then it is up to you to show that you have found a violation.
That limit does not occur in our ideal system and in a real system it can be mitigated.
Logic and empiricism.
I do not consider an appeal to authority as proof.
Logic and empiricism.See above.
I don't claim that induction works differently that it does.
I am trying to convince you that induction does not work like you think and a SC loop act like a spring or I'm trying to find a flaw in my thinking with your help.
You seem highly resistant to the notion of BEMF from the inductance of the loop exactly matching the induced EMF.
Much of their wisdom is not applicable in this case, because flux lines do not cut the loop and non-zero EMF cannot exist across a SC loop.
In resistive coils cut by flux lines - yes, but in superconductive coils not cut by flux lines - no.
Please prove that I am wrong.
Then you should consider how E = 0.5*LI2 is derived. The big hint should be that I is the time integral of V/L. The "spring's" energy is defined by the magnet and the path it travels relative to the ring. A different magnet, such as a power source driving a winding coupled to the ring can transfer a variable amount of energy into the ring's field.
I don't think so. A magnetic field of a SC loop is conservative analogically to Earth and its gravitation field or mechanical energy stored by a spring..
I never claimed that energy stored in a SC loop is fixed. I still believe that it is variable and equal to ½LI2
They do because energy stored in them is still proportional to the product of flux and current flowing in them.
Mechanical springs are also conservative yet they can store energy without problems.
One of us will ;)
Yep never trust people with the name Mark. ::) While you may be right about Aesop what proof do you have or are you just expressing your opinion and we all know about opinions ....I have seen written statements of former employees.
A quote from Mr Tesla's patent, http://www.google.com/patents/US512340 (http://www.google.com/patents/US512340) .
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Where do you get such funny ideas reading things that I have not stated?Because you stated:
It doesn't happen because the work required for each new withdrawal similarly increases.And the word "similarly" was later clarified to refer to current, so your revised quote now reads:
Work performed is not proportional to the current. It is proportional to the square of the current.Yes. It is merely more precise to state that work is proportional to the square of the current.
Actually the one thing that I overlooked is that the coil looking like a perfect inductor will identically integrate the rate of change in flux with respect to time,...and the integral of dΦ/dt with respect to time evaluates to Φ.
Retracting the magnet in the opposite direction to its initial position relative to the ring reverses out whatever current was induced by bringing the magnet closer to the ring.Yes, and for clarity for other readers, the word "reverses" in that statement should not mean reversing the direction (sign) of current.
If you don't believe Maxwell then it is up to you to show that you have found a violation.I believe Maxwell. I just don't want to misapply his equations.
You seem highly resistant to the notion of BEMF from the inductance of the loop exactly matching the induced EMF.
Then you should consider how E = 0.5*LI2 is derived. The big hint should be that I is the time integral of V/L.Derivation by Kirchhoff's voltage law is just one of the derivations. Using it means using voltage.
The "spring's" energy is defined by the magnet and the path it travels relative to the ring.Yes, "path" - not the speed along this path.
... a power source driving a winding coupled to the ring can transfer a variable amount of energy into the ring's field....but the energy transferred to the SC loop by such winding does not depend on the risetime or falltime of the current in that winding (as in e.g. sawtooth waveform).
Because you stated:And the word "similarly" was later clarified to refer to current, so your revised quote now reads:Not to the current, to the current squared, which is aside from the point that you asked:
"It doesn't happen because the work required for each new withdrawal increases similarly to current."
So if the work increases than so does the current.
Are you claiming that the integral of force over distance is disproportionate to the current flowing in the SC loop?So you seem bent on asking questions about statements that I never made, and when pressed on that point to invent new junk.
Why?
The rate at which the current increases is proportional to the induced EMF. Move the magnet faster and that rate increases. Where I have corrected myself is to note that the current integrates and therefore for a given magnet and starting position, the end flux will be the same regardless of the time taken.
According to you the work required to move the magnet depends on its speed and so does the current.
Or: If the work required to quickly withdraw the magnet is different than the work required to slowly push in the magnet, then currents must be different, too... and the absurd machine woulld accumulate current without a theoretical limit at the expense of the work performed by the agency turning the Whitworth mechanism. - yet "it does not happen".With a given magnet oscillating between two fixed positions that the current cannot build up.
No, I assert that it depends on the integral of dphi/dt. See the immediate discussion above.
Let's remember what we are discussing here:
You claim that the current left in the superconducting loop after the movement of the magnet
depends on dΦ/dt and I claim that it depends on ΔΦ.
That's what the whole discussion boils down to.It's nice that you are now taking inductance into account instead of only resistance where you started.
As a side note, it worth to remember, that the ratio of to flux to current (a.k.a. inductance) stays constant in that SC loop.
Wrong is wrong. It is not less precise to refer to something that has a square dependency as linearly dependent, it is just wrong.
Yes. It is merely more precise to state that work is proportional to the square of the current.
Where I agree with you is that for a fixed magnet coming from some defined starting position the energy that can be transferred is fixed independent of speed. The speed sets the power of the transfer.
When the current does not change its direction (as in the absurd machine scenario) work increases with the square of the current and also the work increases with the current itself. The derivatives of x an x2 have the same sign for x>0.
I was trying to keep it simple but that lack of precision does not invalidate my line of thinking.
...and the integral of dΦ/dt with respect to time evaluates to Φ.No one should.
Yes, and for clarity for other readers, the word "reverses" in that statement should not mean reversing the direction (sign) of current.
I believe Maxwell. I just don't want to misapply his equations.
I am not resistant to the notion of EMF - BEMF = 0 across a superconducting loop.It solves the problem that you started with. You expressed the idea that since the resistance is zero that there could not be an EMF. In fact there is, and the BEMF results from the inductance. The lack of resistance makes the device completely reactive.
I just do not go the "EMF route" and analyze voltage across zero-resistance because it leads to division by zero.No it does not. See above.
Derivation by Kirchhoff's voltage law is just one of the derivations. Using it means using voltage.As Professor Lewan would say: Faraday is always right. Kirchhoff ( if one fails to account for induction ) is not always right. He has a relatively famous classroom demonstration of this point where he induces a voltage across a wire using a big core in the middle of the table. Your situation differs only in that instead of Lewan's negligible resistance, your problem really has zero resistance. Yet voltage is induced in both cases.
For the energy stored by a coil I prefer to use the derivation that does not involve voltage and uses L=Φ/I to prove that W=½ΦI.Either way you have to account for the fact that it takes an increasing amount of effort to induce each successive increment of current. IE the current that exists at any moment directly affects the effort required to either increase or decrease that current.
Yes, "path" - not the speed along this path.As above the power does. How long one sustains the input power depends on the source one has available.
...but the energy transferred to the SC loop by such winding does not depend on the risetime or falltime of the current in that winding (as in e.g. sawtooth waveform).
Yes a fixed energy source = fixed energy transfer.
For example the energy and current in the secondary superconducting winding (W2) of an aircore transformer shown below does not increase from cycle to cycle and its maximum value is always be proportional to IMAX even if the current in the primary (W1) exhibits different di/dt generating different dΦ/dt.
Over the integer number of cycles the work done by the current source is zero ...+ resistive losses.That's what inductors do.
See above.
Furthermore the line integral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_integral) of the flux penetrating the contour of the SC secondary winding (W2) will be constant, regardless of the dΦ/dt generated by the primary winding (W1).
A quote from Mr Tesla's patent, http://www.google.com/patents/US512340 (http://www.google.com/patents/US512340) .
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Farmhand, of course there is a point that has no opposition. It surely could be when the movement of both the negative going energies and the positive going energies are balanced. Then there would NOT be forces causing "Ringing or Back EMF" seeking to balance (due to it already being in balance). Thank you for that insert from Tesla. You found a one KEY..
Richard Williams (NOT HopeGirl) and WE are all another part of Hope.
In correlation to this non opposition key would be a PMH. Where as when making the PMH (closing the keeper or creating the magnetics) the circuit is complete and the charge placed in the PMH is pure (balanced). This is why it keeps the charge undiminished. So the closer to perfect balance we tune a circuit the less waste from opposition there is.You can make all the unilateral declarations that you want. You have not made and cannot make a self running machine much less one that self runs and delivers surplus energy. You have repeatedly demonstrated your inability to deliver on your blatantly false claims.
And MarkE this is the proof you asked for, when we learn to balance all forces flows and ebbs (in a open circuit) then we can null opposition.
Maybe that is a new definition for COP at 100%, now learning to bump that bloch of perfect balance is where COP>1.
So what happens when you have an ideal battery at 12 volts, and you connect an ideal capacitor charged to 20 volts to the battery?
I called this a scam some weeks ago and no amount of discussion or debate will make this work. I look back at some of the commentators here on past projects trying to defend the impossible. Look at the past..100% failure rate. No harm in trying but in this case someone is cashing in on misrepresenting the truth. My heart goes out to the good people in Taiwan and Morocco that had their hopes built up but people profiteering on false information and promise. Hopegirl is an opportunist lowlife.
How many times have we seen this before and over how many years?
This whole episode is sad and preys on vulnerable people with good intentions.
James need to step up and take some responsibility rather than pandering his ego (and no doubt bank account) as the leader of a new cult. I think the word arsehole would not be out of order. "Show me the data James"
Mark Dansie
@MarkEAsked and answered multiple times now.
So what is your answer to the venerable question, now?
Q: "A magnet is pulled out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvShY8YAis4) of a shorted superconducting aircoil. Does the magnitude of the final current induced in that coil depend on how quickly the magnet is pulled out ?".
You can make all the unilateral declarations that you want. You have not made and cannot make a self running machine much less one that self runs and delivers surplus energy. You have repeatedly demonstrated your inability to deliver on your blatantly false claims.
Oh but there is resistance in the DC resistance of the wires, determining the actual utilized output energy compared to the actual input energy is all that matters. The oscillating power is just a side show, which needs to be known only for the purposes of circuit design ect.
Inductive reactance does not consume energy, it restricts it. It can restrict input and/or output depending on the device and the load.
Nor does counter emf consume energy. ie. if we apply a capacitor charged to 20 volts to a 12 volt battery then we are only really applying 8 volts potential difference to the battery due to the counter emf of 12 volts that the battery possesses, however the capacitor ends up charged to 12 volts not 0 volts so the potential equal to the counter emf is not consumed, it's just a kind of offset to get to the point where a potential difference will happen if more voltage is given to the cap.
Similarly when a transformer sees a high counter emf at idle the input is small, then when loaded the transformer sees less counter emf which allows more current to flow and the transfer of energy happens. If counter emf consumed energy the transformer would use more at idle when the counter emf is high. But it doesn't the counter emf restricts the current and power and saves energy.
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How does Neuman get so much work done with so little amperage?
DC transmissions talk about limits due to wire gauge and resistance in the wire, yet how does that change when the same wire is used for AC transmission? The problem is in the flawed DC theory, not the wire. Imbalance creates a need for nature to balance it and she DOES find a way (really many ways).
Hope,
It's clear from your prose that you don't even know where the box is or what it looks like. You can't say that something is flawed if you are ignorant about the subject matter.
It's the Indy 500 and the main driver for the racing team is sick and can't enter the race. Joe Blow walks in off the street and says, "I drive an ice cream delivery truck, I'll drive!"
It doesn't work like that.
Only then you can violate the Lenz law and thus might get OU...
with the normal output coils as they have it now, you can not violate Lenz, as the output current
drags the rotor down...
I would highly advise the people experimenting with the QEG to try this.
Regards, Stefan.
Unlike you I have not made false claims to a perpetual motion machine. Unlike you I have not raised money to pay for globetrotting trips by building up hopes to help the poor. What I design works.
Yes MarkE still trying as we all are, hope to see your working device soon as well. Have a good one!
Hopeless Girl you are so FoS.
So you agree? DC of course is not a pure energy it is a stored or created potential. All DC storage units discharge.
There is no flaw that you can point to in conventional analysis of either DC or AC circuits. I bet you don't know that the AC resistance of a wire is greater than the DC resistance. In terms of resistance a 30AWG wire is as good / as bad as a 12AWG wire at 1MHz. At DC a 12AWG wire has about 1/64th the resistance of the same length of 30AWG wire.
DC transmissions talk about limits due to wire gauge and resistance in the wire, yet how does that change when the same wire is used for AC transmission? The problem is in the flawed DC theory, not the wire. Imbalance creates a need for nature to balance it and she DOES find a way (really many ways).
Current is neither energy nor power. Current is the amount of charge passing through a cross-section per unit time.
How does Neuman get so much work done with so little amperage? So if you are set to think work=amperage then you must justify all your beliefs based on this theory.
Let's admit the obvious: You are a fraud and your fraud is now well exposed. What is your exit strategy?
Lets admit it, this box called IEEE training is flawed.
Any friction is a result of your continuous lying.
Yet all the believers must rail non-believers and this causes friction here and other (outside that box) forums.
Watts are a measure of power, not energy.
Even if you think watts=work load your going to have box limitations.
Pixies do not run the universe.
The closer truth is when you get a devices unseen forms or "spirits" moving then the physical follows.
Such ideas are rejected because they are unabated BS.
But this is way outside the box limits for most to even accept as possible.
You have no evidence to support your claims. Open mindedness is about fairly evaluating evidence. The only evidence that you present is of just how FoS you are.
I know I just stepped into a pooh pile, but until we are willing to get our minds open we will keep smacking our heads on the brick walls of "closed thinking systems".
Inertia is independent of speed. A mass exhibits the same inertia whether completely at rest or moving 100,000 mph within its frame of reference.
The inertia of mass in motion,
Wrong. Newton's Laws correctly teach us that reaction force is a function of acceleration, not speed.
speed of mass and the unstoppable force ideas are countered by the equal and opposite movements.
Does this BS come to you naturally, or do you work at cooking it up?
So all this "physical" matter can't be the only variables we need to work with, so now we get to the label zero point energies. Nice little package to box up and make unclear what was simply the exact opposite of physical matter.
The BS "it" does not exist. If you think differently, show evidence. So, far the only evidence you have shown is that your claims are false and that you have zero understanding of ordinary physics.
But naming it "the spirit of matter" causes bent attitudes.
You can wish for nature to be different than it is all you want. Nature will be unmoved.
Just keep on keeping on then and like the phrase "do what you always have done and you will get what you always have got" will keep a sturdy little box. Lets remember we want different results than what we have always gotten, lets remember to be inventive without limiting the creative process.
Quite the contrary: You spew worthless nonsense to extract money from gullible people. You are a loathsome individual.
You can bet those who have had success have. I may not be keeper of all knowledge but I am not the limiter of it either.
I think you are misunderstanding what Joseph Neuman actually did. With the little input power he put into his machine, he failed to extract and do any real work with the energy oscillating in the machine. He never power anything with it. He just show people meters displaying the oscillating voltage and current in the system, and that as I explained previously though my examples of tank circuit spice simulations, can be very misleading if interpreted carelessly.Non members can buy papers. Even members have to pay for most papers one way or another.
Now with the QEG, I have found ways in simulation to extract significant power from the primary circuit and do useful work with it. That the QEG is capable of that is clear to me. The question that still remains is how much power needs to be applied to the rotor of the QEG to get that amount of power out of it. So far the best efficiency any replicator has reported is 0.35, and even that was reported without any details about just how that figure was determined.
Could you ask the replicators to be more forthcoming with their data and methods?
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Speaking of the IEEE do we have any members in the house. I need a copy of a paper pulled.
Maybe it was meant good from Robitaille and Hopegirl to really bring something forward....Stefan: Ismael Aviso is another liar just like Hopeless Girl. He has apparently turned his attention to selling bottled water. His various claimed energy inventions were all BS, as was his claims to having developed his own semiconductors.
Maybe Robitaille only did miscalculate his output power and in rushing this out they made
the mistakes by claiming something they never had also thinking they would have achieved the
same as the fake WITTS device, which does not work, cause it is powered by hidden 120 Volts AC wires...
The only way they still could maybe get OU is,
if they would try to use the
Aviso Konehead Coil Shorting Technolgy to chop the output current into spikes and then use the BackEMF to collect the
output energy via bridge rectifiers...
Only then you can violate the Lenz law and thus might get OU...
with the normal output coils as they have it now, you can not violate Lenz, as the output current
drags the rotor down...
I would highly advise the people experimenting with the QEG to try this.
Regards, Stefan.
Non members can buy papers. Even members have to pay for most papers one way or another.
Maybe it was meant good from Robitaille and Hopegirl to really bring something forward....In the case of Hopegirl it is a scam 110% taking advantage of vulnerable people. James may just be delusional, and you are correct he is no competent in measuring things. Just call it what it is a Scam. There is no defense.
Regards, Stefan.
I thought if you paid the $100/yr membership fee or whatever it it now, you were able to get copies of archived papers at zero additional cost.No, that is not true. There are some papers that the $200/year membership will get you. Most are just offered at a discount unless you buy a very expensive subscription to the digital library for north of $600. / year.
Anyway, I found my way to get by without it. It still would be good to read it though.
No, that is not true. There are some papers that the $200/year membership will get you. Most are just offered at a discount unless you buy a very expensive subscription to the digital library for north of $600. / year.
Stefan: Ismael Aviso is another liar just like Hopeless Girl. He has apparently turned his attention to selling bottled water. His various claimed energy inventions were all BS, as was his claims to having developed his own semiconductors.
I don´t think so.
His devices were even tested from the Philipine TUV or something like this...
The bottled special water is probably just a thing to make some extra money
to fund his research.
The coil switching works and produces less Lenz law drag back!
I tried it myself years back with my Newman tests..
You discharge the coils in an instant and get all the stored magnetic energy out via
the BackEMF.
So you also reduce the drag on a rotor.
Regards, Stefan.
Hmmm. Seems like quite a lot of cash for justThe IEEE makes a lot of money from the technical papers that they publish. They do tend to vett prior to publication. Those who buy a lot of papers mitigate the cost with subscriptions. The little guy has to pay for papers one at a time.
papers. Is this some sort of "money making scheme"
then?
Ah, the things the elitists do in the name of their
gods...
I don´t think so.His car was tested at a government lab: VRTL @ UPME on 24 Feb 2011. The mechanical power the car put out was down in the noise of the vehicle dynamometer used: 418W against a 200kW+ dynamometer. The report noted that the reported power from the dynamometer was greater than the crudely measured input power. Additional tests to reconcile the discrepancy were recommended. Ismael Aviso refused additional testing.
His devices were even tested from the Philipine TUV or something like this...
The bottled water is just filtered water. There is actually a big need for filtered water in the Philippines. Aviso being the "honest" operator that he is promotes it among other things as a cancer treatment.
The bottled special water is probably just a thing to make some extra money
to fund his research.
There is nothing notable or special electrodynamically with any of Aviso's coils. I am happy to discuss your experiments at length if you like and explain what you saw.
The coil switching works and produces less Lenz law drag back!
I tried it myself years back with my Newman tests..
You discharge the coils in an instant and get all the stored magnetic energy out via
the BackEMF.
So you also reduce the drag on a rotor.
Regards, Stefan.
Enjoy!!!!Nice work Ariovaldo!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rkwjvotjkC4 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rkwjvotjkC4)
Cheers, Ariovaldo
Nice work Ariovaldo!
You show the motor is consuming 760W. And the current probe shows 1.88Amps (?). What is the voltage on the secondaries? I can't determine it from the video as the motor sound is too loud over your voice.
PmgR
Ari20 AWG has a minimum diameter of 34mils. 500cma is acceptable for many designs and would allow a bit more than 2A.
By my estimation 1.9 Arms in the secondary is pushing the limit for 20AWG in a transformer, where a safe current limit is 3 A/mm^2. 20AWG is about 0.5mm^2, which would work out to 1.5 Arms. So if you ran the thing for a while at the level, you might over heat the primary winding.
My guess is that you could add some more light bulbs. The QEG has the interesting behavior of putting out more power as the output resistance is increased, right up until the point the resonance get damped out.
Did you say the frequency of the primary was 192Hz?
You might want to see what kind of voltage is developing across a single lamp.
What are those 100W lamps?
Cheers,
Fred
20 AWG has a minimum diameter of 34mils. 500cma is acceptable for many designs and would allow a bit more than 2A.
Nice work Ariovaldo!
You show the motor is consuming 760W. And the current probe shows 1.88Amps (?). What is the voltage on the secondaries? I can't determine it from the video as the motor sound is too loud over your voice.
PmgR
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AriFred,
By my estimation 1.9 Arms in the secondary is pushing the limit for 20AWG in a transformer, where a safe current limit is 3 A/mm^2. 20AWG is about 0.5mm^2, which would work out to 1.5 Arms. So if you ran the thing for a while at the level, you might over heat the primary winding.
My guess is that you could add some more light bulbs. The QEG has the interesting behavior of putting out more power as the output resistance is increased, right up until the point the resonance get damped out.
Did you say the frequency of the primary was 192Hz?
You might want to see what kind of voltage is developing across a single lamp.
What are those 100W lamps?
Cheers,
Fred
Ari,MileHigh
Can you make a posting where you state your measurements and observations? Also a simple schematic of your setup and your measurement points?
It's important to present your measurements yourself, along with your YouTube clip. Even if the measurements are disappointing it's very important to state them. Everyone that does a replication should do the same thing. That also applies to the 'official' teams in Taiwan and Morocco and everyone else. I have to assume that some of those teams are also following this thread. Proper measurements and proper documentation are critical issues in understanding what is going on.
For example, what is the output frequency? Are you using a clamp-on meter to measure the current through the light bulbs? Is the clamp-on meter able to properly measure current at the measured output frequency? If you are not sure then what is the manufacturer and part number for the clamp-on meter? Is the clamp-on meter only able to measure the RMS value for a sine wave or is the clamp-on meter a true-RMS clamp-on meter? What is the voltage waveform like across the light bulbs themselves? That's an example of how important it is for any experimenter to properly document what they are doing and how and where they are making their measurements.
MileHigh
MileHigh
Good morning!
I will try to answer the questions!
1) Coils- Primary:- 2 coils of 20 AWG wire 3050 turns each one. The inductance with the rotor installed is about 15 H each one. This change when I run the rotor by hand...
2) Capacitors: The capacitors bank are 7.600 volts rated and I have more than 30KV of insulation calculated and I have 0.156 uF using my " cheap" instrument. Calculated should be 0.125 uF.
3) Coil- Secondary:- 2 coils of 2X16 AWG wire 350 turns each one.
4) The output frequency that I measured (195 Hz) was in the secondary and I need to do some more tests, since something is intriguing me and my tachometer is not working good.
What is intriguing me is: When I start to run and I speed up to reach the resonance point, it looks like that the FREQUENCY JUST LOCK UP in this number ( 192/195 Hz). The more that I try to increase the speed, more increase the output and input power. It is strange, no?
I will post some more information.
About schematic, I will try to send it tomorrow. Here in my home I have just iPad and it's no so friendly for me.
Ari,The inductance when I turn the rotor slowly goes up 20 Henries that is the max scale in my instrument...
As James said the thing will kind of phase lock. Really a wall of resistance to drive torque forms at the resonant frequency. It requires more and more drive torque as the system approaches the exact resonant frequency, and it will output more and more power in proportion to that drive. Then if even more power is applied the rotor speed will exceed the resonant frequency of the primary circuit and the resistance to input drive will fall off sharply and the resonant oscillations in the primary will stop.
What is the inductance of the primary when the rotor is aligned perfectly with a pole, and what is the inductance of the primary when the rotor it aligned perfectly in between poles.
I was also wondering about the DC resistance of the primary and secondary windings.
Thank you for your previous answers.
Cheers,
Fred
By the way, the cogging torque of the QEG is probable causing jitter in the angular velocity of the rotor, and that jitter is probable giving the tachometer a hard time determining a steady state rpm.
The inductance when I turn the rotor slowly goes up 20 Henries that is the max scale in my instrument...
I made a test, disconnecting the primary and put a 15 uF capacitor in the secondary. When I run the system, it resonate in a low speed and lost the resonance after speed up...
1/(2*Pi*SquarR(20*0,000015))=9,19 HzDon't forget that I installed the capacitor in the secondary.....
What is intriguing me is: When I start to run and I speed up to reach the resonance point, it looks like that the FREQUENCY JUST LOCK UP in this number ( 192/195 Hz). The more that I try to increase the speed, more increase the output and input power. It is strange, no?
Ari,You are right..
Thank you for all of the information.
There is a possible explanation for this. Assume that when you have resonance that the power goes into the primary resonator and that couples to light bulb load on the secondary quite well. It's almost like an 'active' coupling because of the LC resonator. The LC resonator will dissipate as much power as you can put into it, in other words it matches it's power drain to be the same as the power supplied by the source. When you add the light bulb load assume the effect is still taking place. (I am assuming that the LC resonator is on the primary like the standard QEG.)
Note that the light bulb load is capable of dissipating more power if you make it available. When you try to increase the motor speed and add more electrical power, the QEG's resonant tank circuit coupled to the light bulb load absorbs the extra power and couples it to the light bulb load. This creates more Lens draz on the motor and keeps it at the same speed.
If this is true then it's like there is a "frequency wall" almost like the sound barrier. If your motor had enough torque it could "break through the wall" and then the LC resonator would go out of resonance and the light bulbs would dim.
This can all be confirmed by making careful measurements. If what I said is correct then as you add motor power you may only detect a very tiny increase in speed while seeing increases in motor power and light bulb power.
MileHigh
From my days of studying output and power transformer design for musical instrument amplifiers, the rule of thumb was 3 A/mm^2, although that was a conservative figure. So, 2 A/mm^2 for the 20AWG would probably work fine without over heating in the QEG, unless the machine was operated for a long time while sitting out in the sun on a hot day. Such a occasion might occur if the QEG ever found its way into common use as a generator, as it does on a regular basis for musical instrument amps sitting out on stage.@F_Brown:
@F_Brown:
Take a look at the table here:
http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm)
AWG20 is listed at 0.8128mm diameter (or 0.5153 mm^2 area) and the maximum amps for chassis wiring (DC) is listed as 11 Amps. Maximum amps for power transmission is 1.5A, or for AWG20 with 0.5153 mm^2 area, 2.9A/mm^2. This is close to your number of 3A/mm^2. Question remains what frequency this 1.5A number that is stated in the table applies to? 60Hz? 27kHz? Or wired in air (chassis) or in a bundle (power transmission).
Same question for the QEG. The secondaries run at 200Hz. Most likely AWG20 can carry amps somewhere in between 1.5A and 11A depending how tightly packed the coils and what frequency it is run at?
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What you should try is to load the secondaries more (less resistance) by adding another 8 bulbs in parallel. This will decrease the secondary resistance to 15ohms and should bump the current up hopefully closer to 0.5A per bulb. The voltage may drop a little, but that's OK. At least you won't burn out any bulbs.
If you can get 16 bulbs to fully light, that would be 16x 60W is 960Watts.
Then let's see what the input power to the motor does. Try to confirm its RPMs as well.
The QEG has an odd behavior of maintaining a somewhat constant current into resistive loads. In simulation I have noticed that to get more power dissipated in a resistive load, I had to to increase the resistance of the load rather than decrease it.
So, I would recommend putting bulbs in series rather than parallel and see what happens.
The QEG has an odd behavior of maintaining a somewhat constant current into resistive loads. In simulation I have noticed that to get more power dissipated in a resistive load, I had to to increase the resistance of the load rather than decrease it.
So, I would recommend putting bulbs in series rather than parallel and see what happens.
In the last few days, several negative posts and comments have been circulating about what we are doing here. This is astonishing to us! Apparently some groups and individuals were expecting a completely finished product to be delivered into their hands, with nothing left to do. We have always said that as soon as we got the basic resonance from the machine, we would open source all the information we had, and that’s what we’ve done. The intent was to co-develop the machine in an open source platform, with input, comments, test data, solutions and suggestions shared transparently between all groups that have chosen to build the machine.
As Promised, here are the open sourced documents for a quantum energy generator. This has been made possible by the people and for the people. It is freely given to the world.
An average modern household requires 5-10KW of power to operate.
A conventional generator needs 15KW to produce 10KW of power.
To produce these 15KW of power we rely on gas, diesel, propane, coal or other products that can be metered creating profits for the oil industry.
130 years ago Nikola Tesla invented and patented an energy generator. This is a resonance machine that only needs 1KW of input power to produce 10KW of output power. His patents are now in the public domain.
The Fix the World Organization has reproduced Teslas design with a few modern twists to generate the same results. Our Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) provides 10KW of power output for less than 1KW input, which it supplies to itself.
We have freely given this technology to the people of the world. We’ve open sourced a full set of instructions, user manual, schematics and parts list for any engineer to follow and reproduce the same results.
Big update from James:
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/366-morocco-qeg-build-general-progress-update-part-1#1533 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/366-morocco-qeg-build-general-progress-update-part-1#1533)
Having looked through Robitaille's report more in detail here's the next irritating issue: His table with measurements doesn't even remotely match his claim of having achieved 80% (1000 W in / 800 W out) efficiency. The results in the table hover around 700 W in / 250 W out, or roughly 35%, with the best result around 700 W in / 308 W out, or 44%. Why always these incongruencies?
And there's still no info how *exactly* he measured output power. Given how problematic AC power measurements can be (phase shift and all) that doesn't inspire confidence in his measurements.
ChrisC,
Thanks for the classy metaphors.
There are two docs that go with James' posting but I can't read them on my home computer.
However, here is comment from somewhere else about the documents:
MileHigh
The QEG has an odd behavior of maintaining a somewhat constant current into resistive loads. In simulation I have noticed that to get more power dissipated in a resistive load, I had to to increase the resistance of the load rather than decrease it.What Ariovaldo needs to do, depends on what Ariovaldo's current resistive load point is (Rc=30ohms in this case) compared to the optimum load point.
So, I would recommend putting bulbs in series rather than parallel and see what happens.
What Ariovaldo needs to do, depends on what Ariovaldo's current resistive load point is (Rc=30ohms in this case) compared to the optimum load point.
There is an optimum load resistance (Ropt) that will give maximum power out. If you go away from this Ropt in either direction (Rc larger or smaller than Ropt), it will decrease the output power.
30 ohms load is actually a pretty high resistance, so in my statement I am assuming that Ropt < 30ohms and that hence the bulb load in parallel should be increased.
The only way to find out for sure where his current operating point is located (Rc > Ropt or Rc < Ropt) is to try both changes: decreasing Rc (higher load, e.g. 12 or 16 bulbs in parallel) or increasing Rc (smaller load, e.g. 4 or 6 bulbs in parallel).
Ariovaldo, can you try both experiments?
Also please let us know what the resistance is of each of the primary and secondary coils. I expect each primary coil (AWG20) to be around 30ohms and each secondary (AWG16) around 1ohm.
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ChrisC: Did you notice that I gave some helpful suggestions about working with the light bulb load in the spirit of helping people understand their QEGs?@MH
There is an optimum load resistance (Ropt) that will give maximum power out. If you go away from this Ropt in either direction (Rc larger or smaller than Ropt), it will decrease the output power.
Pmgr,You gave me one idea!! I do think the windings should be different....
This only applies if the QEG is mainly or fully acting like an AC transformer. If the core of the QEG is acting like a pulse transformer then the concept of an optimal or matched impedance goes away. If the QEG is acting like a pulse transformer then the output impedance is infinity. In that case, the higher the resistance of the load, the faster the magnetic energy in the core will discharge. You can keep increasing the load resistance until the load is an open circuit and then you would expect to see spark discharges in the coils themselves.
MileHigh
@MH
Never thought that you will be that anxious or quick to re-post such 'nonsense'. Maybe the fact that they are only 200W from O.U made you wet your pants? Well, just sit tight and wait. Hopefully you won't crap in your pants if and when they are able to achieve their goal.
cheers,
chrisC
chrisC 200W might as well be the extent of the universe. The incredible barrier that Hope Girl lied when she said they had broken it is the barrier between under unity and over unity. Actually crossing that barrier would be a monumental development. It means the difference between conservative systems and those with infinite COP. FTW hasn't crossed it. FTW's efficiency hasn't even matched ordinary off the shelf equipment. Hope Girl is a scam artist.
@MH
Never thought that you will be that anxious or quick to re-post such 'nonsense'. Maybe the fact that they are only 200W from O.U made you wet your pants? Well, just sit tight and wait. Hopefully you won't crap in your pants if and when they are able to achieve their goal.
cheers,
chrisC
Here is a smoking gun and people should be very concerned....
Apparently some groups and individuals were expecting a completely finished product to be delivered into their hands, with nothing left to do. We have always said that as soon as we got the basic resonance from the machine, we would open source all the information we had, and that’s what we’ve done. The intent was to co-develop the machine in an open source platform, with input, comments, test data, solutions and suggestions shared transparently between all groups that have chosen to build the machine
The Fix the World Organization has reproduced Teslas design with a few modern twists to generate the same results. Our Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) provides 10KW of power output for less than 1KW input, which it supplies to itself.
The later FtWO quote could imply that they have reproduced the design only. If that is the case, then they should have clarified long ago. For if they are genuine, they have left themselves open to rightful criticism and so should not be surprised by it at all.The quote establishes out and out fraud. On the one hand they disclaim ever having had something that works, saying they wished to codevelop, and on the other they claim 10kW out for 1kW in. The whole episode is disgusting.
The quote establishes out and out fraud. On the one hand they disclaim ever having had something that works, saying they wished to codevelop, and on the other they claim 10kW out for 1kW in. The whole episode is disgusting.If they had stated "The Fix the World Organization has reproduced Teslas design with a few modern twists to generate the same results. Our Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) hypothesis and design provides 10KW of power output for less than 1KW input, which it supplies to itself", then that would have been okay...ish.
If they had stated "The Fix the World Organization has reproduced Teslas design with a few modern twists to generate the same results. Our Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) hypothesis and design provides 10KW of power output for less than 1KW input, which it supplies to itself", then that would have been okay...ish.They made claims to things they did not have. They raised money to go globetrotting with their non-working devices with false claims that they were going to help the disadvantaged. Instead of helping any disadvantaged, they have helped themselves to a nice around the world vacation. They are crooks.
My take is it was at least extremely foolish to omit any mention of design / hypothesis, and is likely to be out and out fraud but I don't believe this is established yet.
They made claims to things they did not have. They raised money to go globetrotting with their non-working devices with false claims that they were going to help the disadvantaged. Instead of helping any disadvantaged, they have helped themselves to a nice around the world vacation. They are crooks.I'm playing juror, you are playing judge.
They raised money to go globetrotting with their non-working devices with false claims that they were going to help the disadvantaged. Instead of helping any disadvantaged, they have helped themselves to a nice around the world vacation. They are crooks.
Mark, I would not say that you are wrong but in fact... that you're blowing. Really.Calim no one forces you to read my posts. They have done what they have done. You should be upset with the perpetrators of the fraud, not any messenger.
I read all you technicals posts with good interest but on another hand you can't prevent yourself to openly judge people like this. Please could you stop this, as it is very annoying, at least for me.
Thank you !!!
I'm playing juror, you are playing judge.The facts are plain to see.
I've been putting my multi-dimensional lookup tables through some more paces.You've been doing a lot of detailed work on this for some time. Do you have anything that suggests that the gizmo can break unity?
The starting trace is green in the graphs.
You've been doing a lot of detailed work on this for some time. Do you have anything that suggests that the gizmo can break unity?
Calim no one forces you to read my posts. They have done what they have done. You should be upset with the perpetrators of the fraud, not any messenger.
chrisC 200W might as well be the extent of the universe. The incredible barrier that Hope Girl lied when she said they had broken it is the barrier between under unity and over unity. Actually crossing that barrier would be a monumental development. It means the difference between conservative systems and those with infinite COP. FTW hasn't crossed it. FTW's efficiency hasn't even matched ordinary off the shelf equipment. Hope Girl is a scam artist.@MarkE
Again, you are assuming that Witts ever had an OU device. There is nothing to support that.Are you having memory loss, Mr. Memoryman? Did I not say, 'seemed'?
I feel compelled to point out that a great deal of effort and capital, indeed enormous effort and capital, has been expended to design, test, and construct fusion power systems. I refer here to magnetic confinement fusion. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_confinement_fusion)We know that fusion as a process actually works. What we haven't been able to do is make fusion happen in a way that is net positive without being a bomb. If someone were to declare that they had a working hot fusion reactor that they were going to open source, just give them money and then turned up empty handed like FTW I would be equally critical.
Is it unfair to compare these MCF efforts to QEG trials and tribulations? Perhaps. Yet in many ways they may be reasonably compared.
I do not claim that the average QEG advocate/experimenter has the science chops of the average ITER (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER) employee. I only wish to point out that MCF and QEG both ask for money and show, as yet, little, or in the eyes of some observers, no results.
I apologize for neither the MCF camp nor the QEG camp.
The choice to risk time and money, raised by taxes, donations, or from personal coffers remains problematic yet essential.
I hope that we all appreciate this forum and other forums where our views and critiques may be frankly shared. Let us all wish that progress will result from the actions we take thanks to our interactions.
@MarkEStarting with the established fraud WITTS never boded well. The claimants have all the time in the world until they declare that they actually have something. They set the timeline. FTW came. FTW declared. FTW has shown their declarations were absolutely false. FTW continues to lie. When someone lies to get money or something else of value, and knows that they are lying, that is fraud. There is nothing that FTW can point to that justifies their false claims of possessing working free energy generators. There is nothing that justifies their attempts to sell their "expertise" for $300. per hour. For the money that we know they have collected a food bank could have fed 100 needy families for a year.
Personally, I think HopeGirl has no business writing about technical stuff she does not understand herself and making herself look real silly with all the written promises of a working device. No professional organization would ever do something like that to attract legions of trigger happy lawyers. That said, James R worked his butts off trying to reproduce what may seemed to be a working WITTs device. I believe he is missing some pieces not disclosed by T.T - the difference between O.U and not. Wait and see.
As to the cheap shots angled at FTW for defrauding people so they can have an exotic holiday afar? Seriously, I don't equate exotic holidays with getting stomach flu, living with flies and donkeys. Get real. FTW may be naive in the way they have chosen to do things their own way but that's their choice.
cheers
chrisC
Starting with the established fraud WITTS never boded well. The claimants have all the time in the world until they declare that they actually have something. They set the timeline. FTW came. FTW declared. FTW has shown their declarations were absolutely false. FTW continues to lie. When someone lies to get money or something else of value, and knows that they are lying, that is fraud. There is nothing that FTW can point to that justifies their false claims of possessing working free energy generators. There is nothing that justifies their attempts to sell their "expertise" for $300. per hour. For the money that we know they have collected a food bank could have fed 100 needy families for a year.
We are having some preliminary success with the exciter coil wired in series with the primary, at a nominal RPM/C value of 2700/140nF. The output is loaded with 6 100 Watt, 240V incandescent lamps, wired in series to provide a relatively light load, but allowing the output voltage to rise as high as 1440 volts (240 Volts X 6). While adjusting the rotor speed to provide about 500 Volts output, we have a small spark in the gap. We have been able to tickle the spark gap and keep a small arc going for several seconds at a time.
Pmgr,MileHigh,
This only applies if the QEG is mainly or fully acting like an AC transformer. If the core of the QEG is acting like a pulse transformer then the concept of an optimal or matched impedance goes away. If the QEG is acting like a pulse transformer then the output impedance is infinity. In that case, the higher the resistance of the load, the faster the magnetic energy in the core will discharge. You can keep increasing the load resistance until the load is an open circuit and then you would expect to see spark discharges in the coils themselves.
MileHigh
Not sure how this thing is acting exactly, but definitely not like a normal transformer.
Normally the power of the motor is given by P=T*2*pi*f, where T is the torque and f is the frequency of the motor (RPMs/60).
I think you are misunderstanding what Joseph Neuman actually did. With the little input power he put into his machine, he failed to extract and do any real work with the energy oscillating in the machine. He never power anything with it. He just show people meters displaying the oscillating voltage and current in the system, and that as I explained previously though my examples of tank circuit spice simulations, can be very misleading if interpreted carelessly.
Now with the QEG, I have found ways in simulation to extract significant power from the primary circuit and do useful work with it. That the QEG is capable of that is clear to me. The question that still remains is how much power needs to be applied to the rotor of the QEG to get that amount of power out of it. So far the best efficiency any replicator has reported is 0.35, and even that was reported without any details about just how that figure was determined.
Could you ask the replicators to be more forthcoming with their data and methods?
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Speaking of the IEEE do we have any members in the house. I need a copy of a paper pulled.
Unlike you I have not made false claims to a perpetual motion machine. Unlike you I have not raised money to pay for globetrotting trips by building up hopes to help the poor. What I design works.
You can make all the unilateral declarations that you want. You have not made and cannot make a self running machine much less one that self runs and delivers surplus energy. You have repeatedly demonstrated your inability to deliver on your blatantly false claims.
I have to laugh LOL I have worked as an electronics engineer for years and before that in machine repair both electronic and mechanical. Analog and digital fields. What I am saying is if you stand on the given teachings you will justify every part of how things work on those taught theories. And the storm of comments received proves this. We have instruments designed to show "proofs" so of course we are convinced that is exactly what we see in the data we receive from those instruments. How pure a science Tesla worked in without all that contrived nonsense yet established. He made his own equipment, built his own laboratory to show his work true. So when you come to me with "boxed" arguments we are talking apples vs oranges gentlemen.You claimed to have a working free energy generator. You lied. You did not and you don't. You falsely claim to know how to build a working free energy generator and offer to sell consultations on the construction of such a device for $300. / hour. That is fraud. Trying to ride on the coat tails of the faker John Hutchison does not help rehabilitate your reputation that you have destroyed with your lies. Science is built on evidence, not wishes.
Let me enlighten you on just recent discoveries that will illustrate my point. We have this slightly odd free thinking guy named John Hutchinson combine wavelengths and disrupt molecular bonds of atoms into a unidentified third element. This was in the 1990's and that is what the best labs could tell us. Yet 10 years later we know that element was taken to the single layer form with these waveforms. So where lack of knowledge was they injected a 3rd unidentified element into being. When all along it was the same element just in this single layered form (yet unheard of). All the "measurements" taken are taken from equipment built using incorrect conclusions of what is really going on. So of course, you can just discount anyone not conforming to those "boxes". It is simple, I mean you have hard evidence right? But really what you have are conclusions based on thought correct theories. That is all you really have. How many times have theories of all sorts been revised or even totally remade? MOST is the answer to that. But all the people stand on their soap boxes and spout empirical data taught to them by others who believed others who.....back to the originating theory. If what tools we have will not support the work at hand then we need better tools that WILL model the objectives.
Most of my work has been in electromechanical devices and servo controllers so my mind is full of all these arguments already, but if we just accept nothing is free running then explain the universe or the atom? Like so many churches, lol here lol there, we are right they are wrong blargh! If you have ANY case where a formula does not work then is that formula correct? PI is even flawed and it is nearly the most common formula we use daily. So when people tell you things realize they were taught to believe this and many were. But if all cases can not be solved using the formula then figure out the better tool. Don't say it can't work just because your ego is impaled and you can't solve it. But don't take is so personally, after all you may have been taught an incomplete science to keep you in a box.
And why attack me just for putting down information on flaws in our teaching system.
Want to see something amazing, watch a child playing with something totally new to them. In a very short time they have it mastered, they know the hows and whys and whens. They are not full of this's and that's from others and when they are they are limited in what they try.
So either go happily into paying all your utilities and accepting that is how it is or jump both feet into "pure learning, playing like a child" with your inspirations. This is how dreams come into reality. "It can't or I can't" never do.
But of course you have. A self-running machine would be a working perpetual motion machine. Are you unclear on what the words: "self" and "runner" mean?
LOL i have never claimed to have made such a machine. Like most here who are serious I have worked on ideas hoping for a self runner.
You have claimed to have a QEG that self ran for at least 150 hours. You have never had such a machine.
Which? What claims the only thing I can remember not doing I said I would was make an outline for someone but they quit working on their project. You are good at making false claims against others is all I can see.
Unlike you I have not made false claims to a perpetual motion machine. Unlike you I have not raised money to pay for globetrotting trips by building up hopes to help the poor. What I design works.
Richard, yes I thought you are the crook HopeGirl.
MarkE your attacking me thinking I am HopeGirl??
I have been a member here since what July 2010 and I am Richard Williams not some globetrotter.
AND by forum rules you are not to attack people, we are all here to contribute ideas not attack others. Get a grip on your truth before you break rules.
I imagine you think any one named Clinton is Bill or Hillary too??
WITTS does not and never has had any working technology such as they have claimed. FTW has proven the same to be true of themselves.
MarkE: In the same way, as you say "no one forces you to read my post...", no one forces anyone to contribute to FTW cause. We're all adults and quite capable of making decisions for ourselves. We are all innocent until proven guilty. Same with FTW. Same as Witts. If Witts have something that really works and chose to sell their knowledge through repeated classes, that's their business. Right? There are engineers and others that vouched for the authenticity of Witts O.U devices powering their Armish settlements on YouTube. You can either believe or treat them as loonies. I happen to believe T.T is a true man of faith and is answerable to God for his actions and will leave it as fact he has a O.U device. The fact we can't reproduce it does not mean he's a fraud. He does differently from you and me.
Until this crowd is able to reproduce a working device, bad mouthing is not the solution. Save your time and energy for more worthwhile causes.
cheers,
chrisC
WITTS does not and never has had any working technology such as they have claimed. ....
My statement is correct. Even one time big Timothy Thrapp believer Sterling Allan has been warning people about Timothy Thrapp's scam:
You speak with incredible arrogance.
cheers,
chrisC
My statement is correct.
Here are some more thoughts about my QEG 2.0 model:I think you mean increase here.
1) Core losses and eddy current Lenz drag have been ignored, so that means core losses would show up as a reduction
in the power dissipation of both the primary load and primary winding. I previously estimated core losses at around 900 watts for a CEG putting out something around 10KW, so in my test run results the total output figure would remain the same and a core loss component of about 900 watts would be added and the dissipation for both the primary load and the primary winding would both need to be scaled downward appropriately.I think you have worked out the magnetic field strength. If we also know the materials, then we know the conductivity and can compute the eddy currents and resulting Lorentz forces.
2) Lenz drag due to eddy currents in the rotor would increase the input torque, at this point by an unknown about.
It could also be that the basic behavior is right but that the numerical approximations are not accurate enough. At least for purposes of diagnosing the problem adding series and shunt resistances as you have already started to do could provide a good deal of insight.
3) I now believe I employed the arbitrary inductor model improperly for the primary winding of the CEG 2.0 model. That may be the cause of the parasitic oscillations and the unrealistic behavior. I'll have to do some more magnetic analyses to fix that.
Pmgr:
Because the coupling coefficient of the primary to secondary goes from a maximum, estimated.95, to a minimum of zero 4 times per rotor revolution. I suspect power transfer from the primary to the secondary will be quite poor. Because of that I decided to extract power directly from the primary. The expect the coupling coefficient modulation is also the source of the frequency doubling you see in the secondary of your simulation.
Your average canine has a lot better character than many of the charlatans out there such as Timothy Thrapp.
Yah, I agree. On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog...
cheers,
chrisC
I think you mean increase here.
I think you have worked out the magnetic field strength. If we also know the materials, then we know the conductivity and can compute the eddy currents and resulting Lorentz forces.It could also be that the basic behavior is right but that the numerical approximations are not accurate enough. At least for purposes of diagnosing the problem adding series and shunt resistances as you have already started to do could provide a good deal of insight.
I'm pretty sure I mean decrease. This touches upon something that has been buggering me for a while now. "Over-Unity" as well as "Under-Unity" are quite misleading buzz words. With all factors about a device taken into account any proper efficiency analysis should show that the device operates exactly at unity. If the COP deviates either way from unity, then the analysis is flawed; something is missing. That is to say in a proper analysis all input sources are identified and quantified, and all output sinks are identified and quantified.
Ari,Tomorrow afternoon I can check the resistance. I had done that but I don't recall at this moment. The core has the dimensions as is mentioned in the manual. The intention is to get a HV probe and check the voltage across the capacitors.
Did you mention the DC resistance of the primary and secondary windings some where?
And is your core the same dimensions as is mentioned in the QEG manual?
Cheers,
Fred
Richard, yes I thought you are the crook HopeGirl.
We don't have interns flashing underwear here, Bill has other places to be.
Richard, what part of my direct statement that I mistook you for Hope Girl do you not find to be an admission?
When you realize your wrong and you have made mistakes the adult thing to do is to admit it and apologize. Not make a joke of your mistakes and ignore the consequences.
COP and efficiency coefficients generally refer to the useful output divided by the expended input. Output that is in the form of unused heat is usually considered loss. For the same sunlight, a solar thermal collector where heat is the useful output is around 75% efficient delivering that heat to the heat transfer fluid, while PV where electricity is the useful output is constrained to about 20% for single layer modules. For a machine like the QEG the idea is to be a generator. Anything less than self-running makes it a complicated and noisy heater.
By expended input you mean input provided by us don't you ? Other wise how would a heat pump go over C.O.P. 1 ? How much energy do we provide to a solar panel ?COP and efficiency are related but very distinct concepts.
It would, but for COP it does not. See above.
If expended input meant all input then C.O.P. 1.0 could never be exceeded period. Would that be true ?
That's right. But except for heat pumps COP is generally a pointless metric. In your example of a solar module the COP for any module is indefinite.
My understanding of C.O.P. which I have stated before is that the C.O.P. = useful output divided by the input provided by us.
That's right. But it is not defined that way. See above.
If C.O.P. was defined as useful output divided by the entire expended input from all sources then C.O.P. 1.0 could never be exceeded, as before energy can exit as output it must first either enter as input or be stored in the device (which is input) before it can be output.
COP is not relevant to over unity the way that most people discuss it. If we used COP > 1 to mean over unity, then any mined fuel that produces more thermal energy than required to extract and refine it would also be over unity. Since most people talking about over unity are interested in something to replace fossil and nuclear fuels that already have a COP > 1, COP > 1 doesn't tell us much about any prospective replacement.
ergo solar panels output more than is input by us so they are over C.O.P. 1.0 and over unity. Very simple logic and it makes sense. At least to me.
COP and efficiency are related but very distinct concepts.Hi! I've just discover your discussion and here what I have just posted as comment to a Robert Murray video yesterday and today in YouTube:
COP is a term almost totally exclusive to heat pumps. COP refers to the ratio of heat energy moved from one temperature to another versus the amount of useful work that we have to add in order to effect that move. If we move some quantity of heat: Q from a reservoir at one temperature to another, then we still theoretically have the same quantity of heat Q. We haven't used that heat to do anything. In the ideal case we wouldn't have to add any energy, COP would be a division by zero, and be so large as to be undefined. A COP of only 1 is very poor performance: we have to add as much energy as heat we move.
Efficiency is a measure of the amount of useful output power obtained from the input power source. Efficiency has built into it the presumption that the input is all theoretically useful. In the case of a solar module efficiency tells us a lot about how much material we need, how much area we need to cover, and how hot the materials will get when exposed to a given irradiance.It would, but for COP it does not. See above.That's right. But except for heat pumps COP is generally a pointless metric. In your example of a solar module the COP for any module is indefinite.That's right. But it is not defined that way. See above.COP is not relevant to over unity the way that most people discuss it. If we used COP > 1 to mean over unity, then any mined fuel that produces more thermal energy than required to extract and refine it would also be over unity. Since most people talking about over unity are interested in something to replace fossil and nuclear fuels that already have a COP > 1, COP > 1 doesn't tell us much about any prospective replacement.
Efficiency also ultimately has a problem when talking about over unity. The way that most people discuss over unity is in terms of a device that produces useful output great enough to run itself and provide surplus. Once such a machine is started it would generate useful output without any useful input. The efficiency of such a device would be undefined. Efficiency is a useful metric up to the point that an over unity device is configured as a self-running machine. The meaningful values for efficiency are: 0 - 100%, and undefined.
Tom Valone also stated in an interview on American Anti-Gravity that a heat pump is an OU device. His position is at odds with elementary physics.It is a matter of definition.
If you look closely the WITTS Demo by T. Thrapp shows, that the motor does NOT slow down
when the screws in the bulbs... at minute 7:30
This is the best evidence for a fake...the motor speed
should change !
So the bulbs are just powered by the grid and not the unit...
The cameraman also asked this and then see, what Thrapp says and has some
kind of excuses...
Well I did not hear it slow down... and I watched it several times...
At this huge load the motor
should already slow down, when he only screws in 1 light bulb....
Also the QED circuit digramm does not include the dc rectifier bridge, what is
listed in the parts list, so it is probably a wrong circuit diagramm and can´t work this way...
So how would they drive the DC motor with AC then ??
Don´t fall for this scam until they will show their own unit really selfpowered...
Regards, Stefan.
It is a matter of definition.Indeed, like my countryhood philosopher Voltaire used to say (approximate translation): "if you want to discuss with me then define your term so that we could understand each other!".
When you realize your wrong and you have made mistakes the adult thing to do is to admit it and apologize. Not make a joke of your mistakes and ignore the consequences.
Robert is mistaking about fossils fuel COP > 1 because we pay for.No he is correct. The amount of energy that we supply from well to wheel is less than the petrol fuel supplies. The COP is therefore greater than 1.
My yard, your yard, some oil field in Nigeria, it doesn't matter where the oil starts. What matters is how much energy we get out versus how much we supply
At the extreme viewpoint we would be allow to say that the person who would have petrol oil spontaneously from ground in his garden he/she would have free energy while using a fuel turbine able to convert this oil in electric or heat power for his/her house, through a generator; but of course it would be not necessarily clean energy.
Slow down there, this is the whole point: COP > 1 does not mean over unity.
In the same vane we shall say that a wood heater for the one live in a forest, not considering the cost of one's time, is a "free energy device".
Here in the USA, colleges teach COP means: Heat moved divided by the useful energy consumed to move it.
COP are only related to a ratio between USEFULL ENERGY under COSTLY ENERGY; any other idea comes from non-professional of the domain who have never practiced nor studied the domain and have spread misconceptions about and much confusion. Even Ph. D. often make the same mistake but an engineer in an energetic engineering office should not.
Otherwise, I am fully agree with the PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY viewpoint.
Mr. Murray-Smith restated much of what was in my post. He states as I have that the COP for things such as petrol fuel, solar energy, wind, etc is far greater than 1. When one looks at things that way it brings about a couple of implications. The one that I pointed out is that using COP > 1 as a criteria for a new and better energy source is very dubious since the energy sources that we would like to improve upon already have such a COP.
In the search for an energy source that would be considered over unity in the way that most people use the term, efficiency should be the guide. When and if the apparent efficiency takes that elusive jump from just under 100% to an indefinite value, then we've hit the OU jackpot. If someone were to later determine that we actually have an input energy source to the machine, such as hypothetically ZPE, and one could find a way to measure the input then the apparent efficiency value would fall below 100%.
Looking at the bolded parts of the second paragraph. (my bold)If a device is OU, it must have an efficiency of over 100%. Any efficiency over 100% is undefined as net output is possible with no input, the exact thing that we want from OU. Mr. Murray-Smith's point is that it doesn't matter whether or not some yet to be discovered energy source is OU or a previously unidentified energy source. If the source has the properties of inexhaustibility, and very low, ideally zero, operating cost then that energy source has the properties that we want from something that is OU.
But wouldn't it then be the case that the device was never OU ?
That is a reasonable enough assumption. It leads to more or less two paths that I can see: Either declare that searching for OU is a futile endeavor, or simply allowing that whatever is ultimately determined, OU is a convenient term to describe the properties of the kind of desirable new energy source that we would like to find.
And also that OU is never a permanent situation, and is only a quasi state until the extra input is identified and quantified ( which I have already stated as another way of looking at it ) which means OU is not applicable to describe any actual permanent situation or state as we all know something can not come from nothing so all of the output is at some point part of the input always.
Unfortunately, it removes the distinction between what we want: plentiful, cheap, clean new energy source(s) and things we would rather get past such as fossil fuels. Personally, I do not object to the idea that if anything ever appears OU that it ultimately will almost certainly to be proven otherwise.
I'm ok with whatever definition but we should all know what each other means when they claim OU or discuss it. For me OU means more output energy then is input by us no matter if the extra energy source is known or not. This gives OU a legitimate meaning. Not just a transient quasi meaning.
Do you mean some other overunity site than this one?
Poynt99 has a document on it on the overunity.com site.
I think that there are many people who would disagree with us about the transient nature of anything that might appear OU staying that way. One could qualify the term and say "apparent OU". I do not think that is necessary and I don't think it adds much in the way of clarity. It could inspire flame wars between camps who think that the First Law is violable and those who don't. If a rich relative pays all my bills, then from my point of view everything in the world is free.
If C.O.P. over 1.0 is not OU and if we accept that something cannot come from nothing then what exactly is the actual real lasting meaning for OU ? Not just the definition that only lasts while we are ignorant of the actual extra input, then when we identify and quantify the source of the extra input it is no longer that OU. It's more or less saying that OU is a statement of ignorance , which I am ok with as well as long as I know what people mean by the term OU.
COP and efficiency are both well defined. "Free energy" has many interpretations. In my experience: OU is commonly understood to mean an energy source that appears to produce more than it consumes. Some might object to the "appears" qualifier. I don't see any value in quibbling about that until such a day as something that seems like a working OU machine appears on the scene.
People can give whatever meaning they want for terms but if they want others to understand them they need to define the contentious terms.
Mostly, yes, but there are exceptions. Consider something like rocket fuel. We put a lot more energy into making the rocket fuel then we get out of it. The form of the fuel, its energy density, power density, etc matter more than the efficiency.
If we didn't get more out of fossil fuels than what we put in then we would be mad to do it.
I think you will find common agreement that each has a COP > 1. I think that only a small minority would call either is OU.
Picking up a piece of wood and burning it for heat is OU, depending on how much energy you expend doing it. Same as picking and eating a banana.
Cheers
"I must say that I like the hydralic motor idea of driving the generator, this in itself is an energy saver (huge torque for little input)." that is incorrect; hydraulics don't save energy. Agood electric motor can get >95% efficiency, better than a hydraulic system.
QuoteQ: "A magnet is pulled out of a shorted superconducting aircoil. Does the magnitude of the final current induced in that coil depend on how quickly the magnet is pulled out ?".The answer is yes...
The answer is yes...Yes the mistake that I made and acknowledged further in the thread is that I failed to account for the integration. Faster speed yields a higher di/dt, but T is proportionally smaller.
@MarkE
I am sorry but you are wrong.
I talked to Professor John Belcher (http://web.mit.edu/physics/people/faculty/belcher_john.html) from MIT Department of Physics and his answer to this question was "no".
Inspired by his statements I made a small experiment with a tiny NdFeB cylindrical magnet (OD 3mm, TH 4mm) to avoid flux pinning and a $100 superconducting SrOCaBiCuP hollow tube (model CST-15) from CAN Superconductors.
http://shop.can-superconductors.com/category.php?id_category=12
I "froze" the superconducting tube with LN while the magnet was inside it. The magnet was superglued to a plastic rod (positioned on tube's axis) and I removed it from the superconducting tube with different speeds to a large distance (2m).
The final magnetic flux density (measured by a Hall probe when the magnet was away) inside and near the superconducting tube was always the same regardless of the speed and path that the magnet took during its removal ...and thus the final current flowing in the tube must have been the same, too.
To memoryman thanks !!here is one for you.. it’s “hydraulic” also….
To: centraflow / Mike,thanks for the great comment !!
Thanks Sterling, A. for this post..
Richard, what part of my direct statement that I mistook you for Hope Girl do you not find to be an admission?
I didn't make a joke of my mistake. I made a joke of your suggestion that I might confuse anyone with the handle Clinton for the ex President or former First Lady.
What part of your personality do you find missing? You have a psychopathic denied of social injustice and an ego beyond any picture of a healthy being. You curt venues are just denials of your ability to fit in without acting well beyond your abilities. Being here along time does not give you card blanch authority, but of course you will just be yet kurt again and move along. Get some help of a professional nature, like your ex said.
A phony psychiatric workup topped with a made up claim from an ex that doesn't exist is not impressive.
What part of your personality do you find missing? You have a psychopathic denied of social injustice and an ego beyond any picture of a healthy being. You curt venues are just denials of your ability to fit in without acting well beyond your abilities. Being here along time does not give you card blanch authority, but of course you will just be yet kurt again and move along. Get some help of a professional nature, like your ex said.
MarkE hasn't been here a long time, as his high post count would otherwise suggest. His registration to this forum was on January 9, of 2014. However, his high post count (2,149) in such a very short period of time (less than 5 months) is highly reflective of his true nature for being here. He is trolling this forum, and a bad troll at that, as evidence by the high volume and poor quality of his posts. You will find in many of his posts a concept called, "argument by assertion (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion)". Argument by assertion is the logical fallacy where someone tries to argue a point by merely asserting that it is true, regardless of contradiction. He also uses a technique called "psychological projection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)", which is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.You are free to counter with valid arguments against any arguments of mine you disagree with, including any that you think are based on logical fallacies.
Gravock
No he is correct. The amount of energy that we supply from well to wheel is less than the petrol fuel supplies. The COP is therefore greater than 1.My yard, your yard, some oil field in Nigeria, it doesn't matter where the oil starts. What matters is how much energy we get out versus how much we supply Slow down there, this is the whole point: COP > 1 does not mean over unity.Here in the USA, colleges teach COP means: Heat moved divided by the useful energy consumed to move it.So, if you have so great misconceptions there, I will not hire you guys in my enterprises.
MarkE hasn't been here a long time, as his high post count would otherwise suggest. His registration to this forum was on January 9, of 2014. However, his high post count (2,149) in such a very short period of time (less than 5 months) is highly reflective of his true nature for being here. He is trolling this forum, and a bad troll at that, as evidence by the high volume and poor quality of his posts. You will find in many of his posts a concept called, "argument by assertion (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion)". Argument by assertion is the logical fallacy where someone tries to argue a point by merely asserting that it is true, regardless of contradiction. He also uses a technique called "psychological projection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)", which is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.
Gravock
If a device is OU, it must have an efficiency of over 100%. Any efficiency over 100% is undefined as net output is possible with no input, the exact thing that we want from OU. Mr. Murray-Smith's point is that it doesn't matter whether or not some yet to be discovered energy source is OU or a previously unidentified energy source. If the source has the properties of inexhaustibility, and very low, ideally zero, operating cost then that energy source has the properties that we want from something that is OU.That is a reasonable enough assumption. It leads to more or less two paths that I can see: Either declare that searching for OU is a futile endeavor, or simply allowing that whatever is ultimately determined, OU is a convenient term to describe the properties of the kind of desirable new energy source that we would like to find.Unfortunately, it removes the distinction between what we want: plentiful, cheap, clean new energy source(s) and things we would rather get past such as fossil fuels. Personally, I do not object to the idea that if anything ever appears OU that it ultimately will almost certainly to be proven otherwise.Do you mean some other overunity site than this one?I think that there are many people who would disagree with us about the transient nature of anything that might appear OU staying that way. One could qualify the term and say "apparent OU". I do not think that is necessary and I don't think it adds much in the way of clarity. It could inspire flame wars between camps who think that the First Law is violable and those who don't. If a rich relative pays all my bills, then from my point of view everything in the world is free.COP and efficiency are both well defined. "Free energy" has many interpretations. In my experience: OU is commonly understood to mean an energy source that appears to produce more than it consumes. Some might object to the "appears" qualifier. I don't see any value in quibbling about that until such a day as something that seems like a working OU machine appears on the scene.Mostly, yes, but there are exceptions. Consider something like rocket fuel. We put a lot more energy into making the rocket fuel then we get out of it. The form of the fuel, its energy density, power density, etc matter more than the efficiency.I think you will find common agreement that each has a COP > 1. I think that only a small minority would call either is OU.Saying an device is "OU" or "overunity" means NOTHING in itselt; that is the basic error.
Hi, many of us confound COP and Overunity, I define Overunity as an apparatus that violate the conservation law (first and second) and can create or destroy energy.A COP > 1.0 is overunity: the word itself means what it means, it is a mathematical quality.
Also efficiency is different from COP, you can have a COP of 10 but an overall efficiency of 20% in the end you will get a COP=2 (10*0.2).
So LENR, solar, RF harnessing are not truly OU device since they doesn't create or cohere energy out of nothing.
Also if possible to create energy, the exact reverse must be true (destruction of energy).
Edit: You know about the Dark energy ? She is OU according to our theory.
Our universe expand, but the energy density for a given volume stay exactly the same, so the overall energy increase perpetually, this an example of a truly overunity system which involve creation of energy.
Saying an device is "OU" or "overunity" means NOTHING in itselt; that is the basic error.Pretty much all the considerations you raise have been covered in the discussion with FarmHand.
To be correct, one has to precise what one qualifies of "OU" or "overunity": is that a COP or it that a PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY? !
Then, if it is COP, needs to use the right and "on purpose" definition for industrial view.
Then, if PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY, needs to specify THE BOUNDARIES OF THE SYSTEM, and WHICH PARTS OF THE UNIVERSE WE ALLOW US TO CONSIDER.
Unless these specifications are made, nobody knows of what he or she is talking about.
Hi, many of us confound COP and Overunity, I define Overunity as an apparatus that violate the conservation law (first and second) and can create or destroy energy.I would only qualify that as an apparatus that appears to violate the laws of thermodynamics. If it were to be a First Law violation, then most probably we wouldn't be recognizing the energy source. If it were a Second Law violation, then Dr. Sheehan would be correct, and the Second Law: "would be true, except when it isn't".
Also efficiency is different from COP, you can have a COP of 10 but an overall efficiency of 20% in the end you will get a COP=2 (10*0.2).
So LENR, solar, RF harnessing are not truly OU device since they doesn't create or cohere energy out of nothing.
Also if possible to create energy, the exact reverse must be true (destruction of energy).
Edit: You know about the Dark energy ? She is OU according to our theory.
Our universe expand, but the energy density for a given volume stay exactly the same, so the overall energy increase perpetually, this an example of a truly overunity system which involve creation of energy.
MarkE hasn't been here a long time, as his high post count would otherwise suggest. His registration to this forum was on January 9, of 2014. However, his high post count (2,149) in such a very short period of time (less than 5 months) is highly reflective of his true nature for being here. He is trolling this forum, and a bad troll at that, as evidence by the high volume and poor quality of his posts. You will find in many of his posts a concept called, "argument by assertion (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion)". Argument by assertion is the logical fallacy where someone tries to argue a point by merely asserting that it is true, regardless of contradiction. He also uses a technique called "psychological projection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)", which is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.
Gravock
Yes the mistake that I made and acknowledged further in the thread is that I failed to account for the integration. Faster speed yields a higher di/dt, but T is proportionally smaller.
To centraflow: I did read what you said.
Using an appropriate transmission, you can get almost any torque you want using a non-hydraulic motor. Only mentioning current as input to an electric motor is meaningless.
I watched that video; so similar to most OU motor/generator claims. No meaningful data. Obsession with showing RPMs. Large flywheel. Flickering meters. Lights as a load. No evidence of looping. Here is a question to consider for ALL OU systems: given that every stage in the system can be analysed for efficiency, and total system efficiency is a product of all individual efficiencies, why is the exact point that OU occurs is never identified?
Re: MarkE. I too found him unable/unwilling to just admit that he was wrong. Coming straight out and saying 'I was wrong; I apologise' can be a big deal to others. When (not if) I screw up, I'll say so. Which one of you all is qualified to give an opinion on Mark's mental health?
Pretty much all the considerations you raise have been covered in the discussion with FarmHand.Sometimes looks things to be repeated....
Can you provide a reference link or a reply # to where you acknowledged your mistake further in the thread, instead of just asserting as you normally do? I'm unable to find this acknowledgement on your part, however I may have over looked it.Look at Tuesday's posts about midday.
Thanks,
Gravock
To centraflow: I did read what you said.Hi. If you like serious and regourous measurments about possible overunity COP, have a look on the work made on the Richard VIALLE's "autogen" / "autogénarateur".
Using an appropriate transmission, you can get almost any torque you want using a non-hydraulic motor. Only mentioning current as input to an electric motor is meaningless.
I watched that video; so similar to most OU motor/generator claims. No meaningful data. Obsession with showing RPMs. Large flywheel. Flickering meters. Lights as a load. No evidence of looping. Here is a question to consider for ALL OU systems: given that every stage in the system can be analysed for efficiency, and total system efficiency is a product of all individual efficiencies, why is the exact point that OU occurs is never identified?
Re: MarkE. I too found him unable/unwilling to just admit that he was wrong. Coming straight out and saying 'I was wrong; I apologise' can be a big deal to others. When (not if) I screw up, I'll say so. Which one of you all is qualified to give an opinion on Mark's mental health?
Look at Tuesday's posts about midday.
I looked through all of Tuesday's posts and I found no acknowledgement of a mistake on your part further in the thread, in regards to the question at hand. I'm not chasing the wind. Since you made the extraordinary claim of acknowledging your mistake further in the thread, then the burden of proof is on you.
Gravock
I looked through all of Tuesday's posts and I found no acknowledgement of a mistake on your part further in the thread, in regards to the question at hand. I'm not chasing the wind. Since you made the extraordinary claim of acknowledging your mistake further in the thread, then the burden of proof is on you.There is nothing extraordinary about my statement. It is just a simple statement of fact that you or anyone else can easily verify is true.
Gravock
There is nothing extraordinary about my statement. It is just a simple statement of fact that you or anyone else can easily verify is true.
There is a distinction between a perfect conductor and a superconductor. The Meissner effect in superconductors is distinct from Lenz's law in a perfect conductor. Reply # 764 is in regards to a superconductor where you provided the wrong answer to the question, which the question itself was also in reference to a superconductor. However, reply # 797, which you tried to use as an escape goat, is in regards to a perfect inductor and isn't relevant to the wrong answer you provided in reply # 764. All you did was to muddy the water so you could escape if it was necessary. In other words, you were playing both the "yes" card and the "no" card simultaneously to the same question where it would appear you wasn't wrong, regardless of the correct answer.If you would like to discuss a post, it is easy enough to quote it. Mind reading is a different skill.
Gravock
Oh.. here are the links to the Spanish FREE ENERGY DEVICE MarkE !!What do you think either of those videos establish?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aAjmnVO_Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aAjmnVO_Q)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=387ErfGxpaU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=387ErfGxpaU)
page to the original post..
« Reply #936 on: May 15, 2014, 12:07:22 PM »
Acca…
If you would like to discuss a post, it is easy enough to quote it. Mind reading is a different skill.
Instead of proving the obvious to me, you should concentrate on answering this interesting question:
Q: "A magnet is pulled out of a shorted superconducting aircoil. Does the magnitude of the final current induced in that coil depend on how quickly the magnet is pulled out ?".
The answer is yes: changing dB/dt changes the induced current.
Actually the one thing that I overlooked is that the coil looking like a perfect inductor will identically integrate the rate of change in flux with respect to time, which should lead to a constant induction for a given magnet starting from a fixed distance. Retracting the magnet in the opposite direction to its initial position relative to the ring reverses out whatever current was induced by bringing the magnet closer to the ring.
Yes we have seen this thread diverge into familiar territory the past few pages but what about the QEG? To the recent posters, Gravityblock, Acca, and others, what do you think? Real or fake?
You will find the quotes below.....Red herrings and straw men, it's a midnight feast! And there's a mind reading show after dinner to boot!
Below is a quote from Verpies asking you a question in reference to a superconducting air coil.....
and you replied yes.......
The below quote is your escape goat for the wrong answer you gave above, which references a perfect inductor instead of a superconductor, as per the original question........
Lenz's law in a perfect conductor is distinct from the Meissner effect in superconductors, and you can not mix the two as you have done. All you did was to muddy the water between a perfect conductor and a superconductor, so you could escape if it was necessary. In other words, you were playing both the "yes" card and the "no" card simultaneously to the same question where it would appear you wasn't wrong, regardless of the correct answer.
Gravock
MarkENow the conspiracy theories come out. LOL.
for as may posts that you have in such a short time and the ornate explanations that you have given to discredit QEG, and the very long posts you have to have allot of support to do that.. So you are on who's payroll to do this ? You seem to have run our of words for the critical review of the power generator from Spain, are you waiting for your team to develop an answer, because you seem to have them all !!
You have way too much time to sit and just to do this without compensation (MONEY) ??? "17 posts a day" Who are you ???
Are you part of a "team of" that posts under "MarkE" ???
Acca...
That sounds to me like you are playing the "fake" card and the "real" card at the same time.
Red herrings and straw men, it's a midnight feast! And there's a mind reading show after dinner to boot!
Do you think that a superconductor does not act as a pure inductor?
The occurrence of the Meissner effect indicates that superconductivity cannot be understood simply as the idealization of perfect conductivity in classical physics, as shown in the highlighted portion of the snapshot below (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductivity).
Gravock
The occurrence of the Meissner effect indicates that superconductivity cannot be understood simply as the idealization of perfect conductivity in classical physics, as shown in the highlighted portion of the snapshot below (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductivity).LOL. Now for our after dinner entertainment: We are treated to the straw man in bigger bolder letters.
Gravock
Yes we have seen this thread diverge into familiar territory the past few pages but what about the QEG? To the recent posters, Gravityblock, Acca, and others, what do you think? Real or fake?
A phony psychiatric workup topped with a made up claim from an ex that doesn't exist is not impressive.
If a device is OU, it must have an efficiency of over 100%. Any efficiency over 100% is undefined as net output is possible with no input, the exact thing that we want from OU. Mr. Murray-Smith's point is that it doesn't matter whether or not some yet to be discovered energy source is OU or a previously unidentified energy source. If the source has the properties of inexhaustibility, and very low, ideally zero, operating cost then that energy source has the properties that we want from something that is OU.That is a reasonable enough assumption. It leads to more or less two paths that I can see: Either declare that searching for OU is a futile endeavor, or simply allowing that whatever is ultimately determined, OU is a convenient term to describe the properties of the kind of desirable new energy source that we would like to find.Unfortunately, it removes the distinction between what we want: plentiful, cheap, clean new energy source(s) and things we would rather get past such as fossil fuels. Personally, I do not object to the idea that if anything ever appears OU that it ultimately will almost certainly to be proven otherwise.Do you mean some other overunity site than this one?I think that there are many people who would disagree with us about the transient nature of anything that might appear OU staying that way. One could qualify the term and say "apparent OU". I do not think that is necessary and I don't think it adds much in the way of clarity. It could inspire flame wars between camps who think that the First Law is violable and those who don't. If a rich relative pays all my bills, then from my point of view everything in the world is free.COP and efficiency are both well defined. "Free energy" has many interpretations. In my experience: OU is commonly understood to mean an energy source that appears to produce more than it consumes. Some might object to the "appears" qualifier. I don't see any value in quibbling about that until such a day as something that seems like a working OU machine appears on the scene.Mostly, yes, but there are exceptions. Consider something like rocket fuel. We put a lot more energy into making the rocket fuel then we get out of it. The form of the fuel, its energy density, power density, etc matter more than the efficiency.I think you will find common agreement that each has a COP > 1. I think that only a small minority would call either is OU.
Reply #797 on page 54.
You are questioning where he admits an error on
"Yes the mistake that I made and acknowledged further in the thread is that I failed to account for the integration. Faster speed yields a higher di/dt, but T is proportionally smaller."
and reply 797 contains
"Actually the one thing that I overlooked is that the coil looking like a perfect inductor will identically integrate the rate of change in flux with respect to time, which should lead to a constant induction for a given magnet starting from a fixed distance. Retracting the magnet in the opposite direction to its initial position relative to the ring reverses out whatever current was induced by bringing the magnet closer to the ring."
That sounds to me like you are playing the "fake" card and the "real" card at the same time.
LOL. Now for our after dinner entertainment: We are treated to the straw man in bigger bolder letters.
Grav, real or fake is that the question or the sum? We know for certain it does not work as of yet, so I for one would like to find a solution to the non working part. When one day we do find solution for OU there will be a solid understanding developed we will call it a science of course. Then that science will be applied to many previously discarded devices and they will be perfected into COP > 1. This device or a past or any it does not matter. What matters is that we work together sparking each others thoughts and DOING with builds and simulations or whatever it takes to get us there.
In a way trolls provide some positive aspects of letting us know we are on the right track or near it. It always encourages me to see them appear and the harder they bark the more I know we are getting closer to a working device. On thing is for certain, if COP > 1 exists everyday we work toward it, it is one day closer we are to discovering OU.
One thought I would like to have you all remember is that in many past (thought to be working) devices there were connections to either and earth sink and/or a air sink (meaning we collected or connected to a reservoir). So where would we place an antenna in this circuit and/or ground?
Apparently the non-scientific argumentation is not one-sided ;)LOL. Now for our after dinner entertainment: We are treated to the straw man in bigger bolder letters.Where's your scientific argument? LOL.
What comes out weighs about thirty thousand times as much as what went in. If mass is not conserved—and it’s not!, then we can seek its origin.OK, but not in this thread
Gee, I don't see any account of F=Ma. The particles were, after all, accelerated to near light speed and that required a bunch of energy no?
Why do folk always seem to look at one side of an equation?
Bill
Ari please resize your image to a much smaller size because otherwise it will mess up people's ability to read the thread.
Thanks,
MileHigh
Ok. Who wants to be the first to bash this thing?
cheers,
chrisC
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/386-qeg-morocco-overunity
Let's now just do a very basic crunching of the numbers from the clip. We are going to make two very basic assumptions.
The first assumption is that the voltage and current are perfectly in phase. It's a light bulb load and the frequency is relatively low and that's what we see on the scope display so that's reasonable.
The second assumption is that we are going to multiply the peak values by one divided by the square root of two, which equals 0.7071. That's what's done for a sine wave. This will not be perfectly accurate but we will live with that. If I can get the model of the scope off of the clip I will look it up.
So, 1900 volts peak-to-peak, divided by two equals 950 volts.
950 volts times 0.7071 gives you 671.7 volts RMS.
From looking at the clip, I am going to say the peak-to-peak current range is 0.95 amps.
0.95 amps divided by two gives you 0.475 amps.
0.475 amps times 0.7071 gives you 0.3359 amps RMS.
Therefore the approximate output [color=#0081BD !important][/color] they seem to be measuring in the clip is 671.7 Volts RMS x 0.3359 Amps RMS.
The approximate output [color=#0081BD !important][/color] is 226 watts.
The electric motor is drawing 655 watts of [color=#0081BD !important][/color].
Therefore the efficiency of the QEG is 226/655 x 100 = 34.5%.
Are they a bunch of fools or is this a cynical planned event to stoke up the activity in their suite of PayPal accounts?
MileHigh <end of quote>
Dave's report after the video is confusing. You can be absolutely right with your calculation. I watched the video, the traces are 1.9 V p-p for the voltage, times 1000 for the Tek HV probe; and slightly less than 1 div. p-p for the current (don't know which shunt or current transformer they use).
So that your calculation of 226 W can be real.
I wrote a message to Dave to see if he will answer the following doubts:
- are those voltage and current traces related to a resistor inserted in the primary ? it would make sense, because they are in phase, but the report does not clear if this resistor was effectively connected. He said somewhere in the video "output voltage across the primary tank" showing a multimeter with about 448 V. He says that the 600 W lamps bank was still there (as load on the secondary, if I understood correctly the report ?) and I understood there was a further (resistive ?) load in the primary. If true, then we had 600 + 226 W output, overunit though.
- I asked if 1.9 kV and 1 A were peak to peak values...
Let's give further credit to Jamie and Dave waiting for confirmation; let's assume they were in a hurry and tired and could not report all the details...
Best regards, descripttime
So that your calculation of 226 W can be real.
A few comments:
The E=mc^2 equation is only for energy equivalent of rest mass. For a mass in motion a kinetic energy component most also be added as the posted image shows, for a mass at rest the kinetic energy component is still actually there, it's just zero.
The mass differential between the electron and proton comes in to play in plasma physics, where electrons can be put into motion much more quickly than their positive counter parts. This gives rise to some interesting things as the electrons in a plasma will arrive at a positive terminal before the positive ions will arrive at the negative terminal.
Ari,
Do you have your load attached to the primary or secondary of your QEG, and what is the DC resistance of the primary?
The actual resistance of the filament is temperature dependent. The cold resistance of tungsten-filament lamps is about 1/15 the hot-filament resistance when the lamp is operating. For example, a 100-watt, 120-volt lamp has a resistance of 144 ohms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm) when lit, but the cold resistance is much lower (about 9.5 ohms).
Hi Descripttime,
It looks like the voltages are reasonable for what you would observe on the secondary if you had six light bulbs in series. For example, 120 VAC is 339 volts peak-to-peak. So six times 339 volts is 2034 volts. Likewise it's reasonable to assume that James had a current sensing resistor on the secondary.
The fact that one bulb is dimmer than the rest can be explained if you assume it was a 100-watt bulb and the other five bulbs were 60-watt bulbs.
...Dave said something like "you can get more power from the primary, we discovered that." That's nonsense, the primary and secondary are locked together and if you suck power out of the primary then less power will be available on the secondary. We will see if these misconceptions get cleared up over the next few days.
...Many non-technical people are fully aware of RMS voltage measurements and know that you use RMS values and not peak-to-peak values to measure AC power.
Right now my assumption is that there was no load on the primary, and the light bulb load was on the secondary, and the scope traces were measuring the voltage and the current for the light bulb load.
For me one of the big mysteries is James. ...I think he stated that he is going to try the suggestion about putting the load on the primary. In theory there is no reason to do unusual variations on the design.
Technically, I don't think having a resistive load on the primary or the secondary will make much difference. Either setup should look more or less like the same Lenz drag load to the spinning rotor.
WITTS has no credibility on the free energy forums and are considered by the majority of the forum regulars to be scam artists.
Ari what are we looking at in the picture ? Is it part of the core and windings over wrapped by tape with an arc burn mark between ?Yes...This was an arc in the HV side. I am testing and I forgot to connect my spark gap...
I have to say that people doing this kind of thing should definitely make provision for limiting the voltage in the tanked coils. Similar things can happen with NST's when they are open circuited when tuned by caps or used in resonant transformer supply duties, same with MOT's, MOT's have the secondary electrically joined to the core so the windings closest to the core are tied to the same potential by the inside end of the secondary winding. The potential difference between winding might remain fairly low but the potential difference to the core could be great.
James' voltage limiter is the spark gap which is not good for a home use device as a consistent sparking of a spark gap could interfere with things.
For unqualified people to use it the device needs fail safes and inbuilt protections, which is another concern, people think they can just wire up some 10 kW device
to their homes and hey presto. But it is a bit more complicated than that.
For example James and Hope Girl Turn up and drop off a free QEG to your house but you are not an electrician and cannot wire it to your house. What do you do ?
I doubt any electrician would do it. Not unless he sees a safety certificate and a technical report with clear schematics is my guess.
So then what, if you connect it to your house yourself or get an unqualified or even if you could find a qualified person to install it then if the setup kills someone both you and the installer are liable, if the house burns down you get no insurance.
This is Hillbilly electronics, and even if it was to "work" would have a lot of work to do to be able to install one in a house.
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Well, we must remember here that we have a parametric coupling factor, so that there is not a classical, constant transformer ratio between primary and secondary. And a good quality factor Q of the LC tank permits a much higher voltage on the primary than the turns ratio would predict. But of course, loading the primary with a resistor will decrease the Q to a point where the parametric effet can no longer sustain the oscillation. So that a simultaneous loading of the primary is rather unlikely, as you said.
Again, it can escape to conventional laws here due to the parametric coupling and parametric excitation of the tank. In theory, and you can see this on simulations, you can avoid the Lenz drag in parametric systems.
That is outrageous.
And that's just ONE of her funding sites. They have collected well over a hundred thousand dollars based on this ridiculous claim of having an overunity machine that they don't actually have. Teaching people how to make something they can't make themselves! Showing "overunity" that depends on a hodgepodge set of numbers from abused oscilloscopes.... and can't be demonstrated in any other way.
Well fine, people, if you are happy with overunity that can't actually do anything but make squiggly lines on an expensive digital Etch-a-Sketch... send her more money!
And just keep ignoring people like MileHigh and little old me, who are trying to save you your money so you can spend it on something worthwhile, instead of funding a worldwide vacation for these QEG liars.
You know, I am really feeling concern for James in all of this. I still think that he is a decent guy that is working hard to get results from this device. Some how he has gotten sweeped up in all of this and has been manipulated by others that have other designs on this whole process. By that I mean others like possibly Hope and her mother and maybe others under the radar. James may be in above his head, but I find it hard to believe that he is putting on a front and just waiting to count his money. I personally have not witnessed James actively selling the QEG or soliciting funding. Maybe some one will provide something that I have missed that will change my opinion. But until then my feelings will be more of compassion for James in this challenge. I would not want to be in his shoes for any amount of money.
Four months ago, FTW boldly went where many have tried to go before. We embarked on a mission to create a free energy device that will be distributed directly to the people. We call this device the Quantum Energy Generator, or QEG. I am now here, living on the property where the QEG is being assembled, observing its progress. It is almost complete, and we will soon be flipping the switch that can change the world.
The QEG is a crisp, clean, and modern device based on Tesla's public domain design and built with incredible engineering precision (for example it has over 300 precision cut steel plates each at 18 ½ 1,000ths of an inch thick). The QEG is portable, the size of an average home generator, can easily hook up to your existing electrical system, and weighs approximately 120 pounds. The QEG can power your entire home, several of them can power anything from a skyscraper to a cruise ship, and you will never have to pay an electric bill ever again.
You know, I am really feeling concern for James in all of this. I still think that he is a decent guy that is working hard to get results from this device. Some how he has gotten sweeped up in all of this and has been manipulated by others that have other designs on this whole process. By that I mean others like possibly Hope and her mother and maybe others under the radar. James may be in above his head, but I find it hard to believe that he is putting on a front and just waiting to count his money. I personally have not witnessed James actively selling the QEG or soliciting funding. Maybe some one will provide something that I have missed that will change my opinion. But until then my feelings will be more of compassion for James in this challenge. I would not want to be in his shoes for any amount of money.Sooner or later he has to realize that no matter how good his intentions were or are, that his efforts are propping up Hope Girl's fraud. Unless he is very blind he has to realize that now. He might be tolerating it if he thinks that maybe he can make it work. All that is going to happen is that he will end up wearing the same stain as Hope to take your money Girl.
Bad news. HopeGirl is using the alleged "over unity" clip that is actually under unity to solicit funds. It's simply unethical behaviour.Let's call a cat a cat: it's a scam. :P
MileHigh
Here's what a real resistive load looks like. Note that for under a hundred pounds Sterling one may purchase a genuine 2000 Watt resistive load of 50 ohms resistance.They could always start by purchasing a load that matches the open circuit voltage by the expected current. Even better that if by adding suitable switches or wiring options that they could change the load as needed. For instance they could get a suitable fixed step down transformer and variac combination. Or they could go really simple with: 2000V / 5A = 400 Ohms and buy eight of those 50 Ohm resistors, and stack them in series.
https://www.inverterdrive.com/group/Dynamic-Brake-Resistors/ECOMSA-Dynamic-Braking-Resistor-50-Ohms-2000-Watt/
He just needs to push a bit under six and a half amps through that load to dissipate 2 kW. And it will only take a little over 300 volts to do it.
"But our output voltage is in the multi kV range!" Sure... and what happens when you connect an unregulated voltage source to a low impedance load?
Hi;Under some static operating conditions a static load should be identifiable that results in maximum output. Wind turbines face highly variable source conditions so having a variable load is important. Solar inverters all have MPP controllers for the same reason.
What they need in reality is called a dump-load controller. This has four control levels
that will gate in the next section of dump-load resistance when the voltage goes
above the present dump-load high level preset or exit that level when the voltage goes
below the present low preset level. It acts against the OU devices own internal impedence.
A high voltage DC to AC inverter (90%->98% eff.) has a large DC input range and the dump-load controller
keeps the DC voltage within that range, wasting energy not being used in the load.
This is designed for wind/power operations where excess energy can not be utilized.
Don't have DC level power?: use a power bridge rectifier to make it. Photoflash cap. Filter Keep attaching
incandescent load lamps to the AC output side of the inverter. Please: only count
fully lit 100Watt bulbs as OU output power. Don't measure circulating power in the
OU device to count as overunity...Overunity power is in output dummy load only. Don't use
LED bulbs or CFL's without taking real wattage into account. As load bulbs come on line
the load-dump controller resistances automatically will drop away. Future designs of the
overunity device can self limit power. Working OK?...remove dummy load, reprogram the inverter
and hook it to the grid line and pump energy back toward utility generator.
:S:MarkSCoffman
These guys have to contend with he very dangerous 2KV. I personally would put the output through a step down transformer and then couple to a load through a variac.
"But our output voltage is in the multi kV range!" Sure... and what happens when you connect an unregulated voltage source to a low impedance load?
(PCB)Does anybody present at these gatherings even raise their hand and mention rms or power factor. I for one have not heard these terms in any of their videos or seen them mentioned in blog posts of others reporting back to the masses.
Let's call a cat a cat: it's a scam.
(SchubertReijiMaigo)I'm more worried that kind of things will do a lot af damage in the OU community where I believe that are honest researcher out there...
In fact when I see some new-age hippy things like "HopeGirl", "One People Community", "Our mother Gaia", "Love people",
->put every new age terminology here<- , where demonstration are performed in a village in the middle of nowhere it tend to raise in my head some big red flag.
Hell, doing science is not the same things as preaching in some new age group...
The reason that you do not see any of these things is because they are more of a gathering of "like minded" supporters of Hope Moore. These groups are very supportive of each other and and Hope Girl is using this to rally support in the pretence that they are working to help those who are in need of electricity around the world. Unfortunately she is grabbing every little piece of information that comes her way and sensationalizing it in order to ramp up her following. I am sure that James is not even aware of what she is putting out there until after the fact. There is an increasingly larger number of people all over the world that will be drawn to this. Not because of its technical merits or its breaking new age technology. That is why I think that the majority of the funding is coming in from people who are spiritually snared by the Hope Girl campaign.
PCB,
Here is a proposed posting for you:
Unfortunately this is a false alarm and the QEG is not producing over unity. You do not use the peak-to-peak values for the voltage and the current measurements for the light bulb load to measure the power dissipation. The correct way to do it is to use one-half of the peak-to-peak values and then multiply them by 0.7071. This gives you what is called the "RMS" (Root Mean Square) values for the voltage and current.
The power dissipated in the light bulb load is Vrms x Irms.
The reason you use RMS values is because this factors in the fact that higher voltages (or currents) give you disproportionally higher power dissipation levels.
1900 volts peak-to-peak, divided by two equals 950 volts.
950 volts times 0.7071 gives you 671.7 volts RMS
0.95 amps peak-to-peak divided by two gives you 0.475 amps.
0.475 amps times 0.7071 gives you 0.3359 amps RMS.
671.7 Volts RMS x 0.3359 Amps RMS = 226 watts
The electric motor is drawing 655 watts of power.
Therefore the efficiency of the QEG is 226/655 x 100 = 34.5%.
I read somewhere that HopeGirl (a.k.a "Hope Moore") is James' daughter. I don't know more than reading it just once.
I believe that the claim of free energy is still up on her blog with the donate button, way more than 24 hours after the claim. I can't believe that James and HopeGirl don't talk several times a day. So I have no faith in James. Not that I had faith in him before as I posted a week ago. I doesn't fit for me. I don't believe in James the patsy.Yes, the lying claims are still up and people are still donating by the minute.
For MarkE, yes yes yes! Great idea with the step-down transformer then the variac then the big fat power resistor. That gives you a big fat AC load where you can dial in the impedance! Freaking awesome man!
See then we could all sit around the QEG like boy scouts and toast free energy marshmallows over the resistor and sing Kumbayah!
MileHigh
So what your saying is that this is really a cult? Facts. engineering truths and alike do not really matter here. I'm wondering if Jamie part of the cult or just a tool?
Not in the traditional sense of what you would consider to be a cult. But it is a growing community based around personal spirituality. Frequency and resonance are key here as they are important elements in their spiritual path to enlightenment. This is why the QEG project is so easily assimilated and supported by so many around the world.
PCB,
Here is a proposed posting for you:
Unfortunately this is a false alarm and the QEG is not producing over unity. You do not use the peak-to-peak values for the voltage and the current to measure the power dissipation for the light bulb load. The correct way to do it is to use one-half of the peak-to-peak values and then multiply them by 0.7071. This gives you what is called the "RMS" (Root Mean Square) values for the voltage and current.
The power dissipated in the light bulb load is Vrms x Irms.
The reason you use RMS values is because this factors in the fact that higher voltages (or currents) give you disproportionally higher power dissipation levels.
1900 volts peak-to-peak, divided by two equals 950 volts.
950 volts times 0.7071 gives you 671.7 volts RMS
0.95 amps peak-to-peak divided by two gives you 0.475 amps.
0.475 amps times 0.7071 gives you 0.3359 amps RMS.
671.7 Volts RMS x 0.3359 Amps RMS = 226 watts
The electric motor is drawing 655 watts of power.
Therefore the efficiency of the QEG is 226/655 x 100 = 34.5%.
P.S.: Rearranged one sentence and much better now.
In one of the videos, Jamie says that the QEG is a high voltage device, not a low voltage one as they had first thougth. Interesting statement since he supposedly had already built his own prototype. He then goes on to say that if they can get the output voltage up to 2KV and the current to 5 amps they will have their 10KW generator. Right from the beginning these guys have assumed that the output power is simply volts times amps. Jamie can not be an engineer. No engineer would do this for an AC system, but these guys do. Does anybody present at these gatherings even raise their hand and mention rms or power factor. I for one have not heard these terms in any of their videos or seen them mentioned in blog posts of others reporting back to the masses.
MileHigh did a great job of explaining things. I'd like to see a concise posting formulated and placed on the http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum. If you have posting privileges it will appear immediately. This posting should be screen captured and posted back here. If it later is removed this would indicated that they are knowingly scamming folks.
I would suggest that perhaps MileHigh should take the lead on preparing a concise power cal analysis. I have posting privileges and would be pleased to post it in response to Dave Starbuck Sunday, May 18, 2014 posting.
PCB,
Please check back to my posting again. I improved the prose and made it clearer. I don't think working back from 10 kilowatts is something to mention now. Perhaps in a week or so if the posting stirs up controversy and you still have posting privileges. I suggest that you post my new improved version and see what happens.
There is a chance that the posting will be deleted and you will be banned. Such is life and the HopeStompers can't control the whole Internet.
MileHigh
You've had a reply. Apparently there is another report from Robitaille of new measurements where he actually uses the term "RMS" and gives some details.
One continues to wonder about the elephant in the room: with all this "overunity" power output.... they still can't make it run itself. Even though any competent electrical engineer given, say, a 3000 watt electrical power source on the left end of the table and a 1000 watt electrical load on the right end of the table, can hook them together without much difficulty, no matter in what strange form the 3000 watt source is producing.
Pretty colored lines on an oscilloscope, and columns of spreadsheet numbers, do NOT equal "overunity"! If you are getting an output of three times the input and you still can't make a self-looped system... then you are not measuring something properly, you aren't holding your mouth right, or perhaps you just don't have enough colored clipleads. For sure... you don't have overunity, no matter what your self-generated numbers might say. There are many more ways to measure incorrectly than you have dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio.
Well Jamie does mention 175W rms output in his latest posting so he certainly understands how power in calculated, less in fact then MileHigh estimated. That doesn't change the fact that HopeGirl started fund raising off of a bogus claim of overunity. Jamie now says they are getting 1590W RMS power output for 800W input. At least he is being somewhat more careful in his reporting. This is the first report I believe of excess power so self looping should be there next goal I would think. I wish them luck that they will achieve this shortly.
This part is not encouraging. He insists that everyone should be using peak to peak values, and then he freely mixes in rms labels without stating whether he is still using peak values or has scaled them. He makes no statement as to how he is measuring his input power. If he is reading it from an instrument like a "Kill-a-Watt", that instrument does not report peak to peak voltage times peak to peak current.
Here's that link: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity#1677 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity#1677)
The world should just wait a while and give him a chance, instead of bad mouthing him from the start. James is no dummy. Too many people on these forums just wants to show that they understand some electricity principles like AC measurements and rms values. Maybe there are deeper things they don't understand?
cheers
chrisC
Here's what I've got so far. Firstly, I want to make sure we're all using peak readings at this point. Can you confirm? So here is the data from 3100 turn coils loop wired as secondary: At 2588 RPM (173Hz output frequency), for 1000W input (at the wall), I'm getting 3000W output. At 600W input, It's 1360W, and at 500W in, I've got 836W out. I'm using roughly the same cap value in series (167nF) as the original config., with the six 100W, 240 volt lamps in the loop as the load. So it's just the original C value, in series with the six lamps. For the 350 turn coils loop, I'm using 14.2uF in series, with no R value in the loop. I don't have any high wattage variable resistors here, but I have an 1800 W (30 ohms) heating element that I want to try in the circuit today.
I may be able to move the tap on the heating element... Some things I've noticed: With this configuration, I've actually got 3 resonances as I spin up the rotor (to 2588 RPM). The 1st and 2nd do not phase lock (I can dial right through) and are multi-phasic (power going back and forth as Jeremy mentions), and when I get to the 2588 RPM main resonance, the phase lock is amazing! I can vary the input power between about 500W to over 1000W and RPM change is less than 5. If I increase the cap value (to about 200nF), I get a resonance at very low RPM (about 1200) that really locks in, and has even more power (measured 4200W), but there is some sinewave distortion (peaks are not all the same amplitude) and it's really too slow mechanically. The main resonance has a clean sinewave.
I remembered Evens said there was also power in the 350 turn coils (as primary) with this configuration, so I decided to see how much... and this was a big surprise... at 86Hz (half of output frequency), I measured 9,460W with 600W input, and 13,326W at 800W input! I verified with a current probe, and there is over 6 amps in the circuit! At 800W input, this is about 1590W RMS - enough to power the motor. I measured the output from the 350 turn loop previously with the original configuration, and with 700W input, I had only 1,836W peak (about 175W RMS).
This part is not encouraging. He insists that everyone should be using peak to peak values...
The world should just wait a while and give him a chance.........................
He was just making sure everyone started with some basis measurement that every scope reads ie peak values; after all not everyone has rms enabled sampling scopes. Chill out.
@MileHighVPP*IPP = 2*20.5Vrms*2*20.5Irms = 8*VA.
I just read the youtube comments on that latest overunity claim video from the user accounts "user2718218" (assuming MileHigh) and "EsotericScience ."
"EsotericScience ." right off the back said you are calculating RMS incorrectly. But it looks like you have a victory in clearing up the misconceptions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0
The poster made the mistake of combining divisor 1/2 * 1/2 = 1/2(error). Correct is 1/4
The poster made the mistake of combining multiplier 0.707 * 0.707 = 0.707(error). Correct is 0.499
(2000Vpp/2)0.707 x (1Vpp/2)0.707
Claimed
(2000Vpp x 1App)/2 x (.707) = incorrect 707Wrms
Should be
(2000Vpp x 1App)/2^2 x (.707^2) = correct 250Wrms
If you may, ask "EsotericScience .", I use the space dot name because seems to be multiple accounts, are you aware of this misconception and for how long has this misconception been going? What would be even better is to have the user safely measure on an oscilloscope the peak volts and amps of a 100W light bulb and compare that to a kill-a-watt meter. But then again if the user could perform that it shows the power of the mysticism the QUANTUM has over people.
Here's that link: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity#1677 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity#1677)
The world should just wait a while and give him a chance, instead of bad mouthing him from the start. James is no dummy. Too many people on these forums just wants to show that they understand some electricity principles like AC measurements and rms values. Maybe there are deeper things they don't understand?
cheers
chrisC
Mark:
I really don't think you should intentionally misread him. He was just making sure everyone started with some basis measurement that every scope reads ie peak values; after all not everyone has rms enabled sampling scopes. Chill out. Wait for a while for more solid measurements before pouring hot oil on some hard working soul. As for Hope girl, I can't speak for her - she's probably delusional on some cult goddess.
cheers,
chrisC
Agreed, the world should wait ( Including STOPPING funding ) until such time that something which has been promised or CLAIMED is achieved.
But wait, haven’t we already hit that point.
According to James himself in Sterling Allan’s video interview with him and HopeForMoreFundingGirl back in April
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ
at 20:28 – James states that he has already tested it up to 9300 watts (he corrected himself from 10 Kw, so obviously that is not an estimation of what is possible, but what has been achieved).
He claims 10 more out than in. Not in theory, but already achieved.
And that all it needs is a simple inverter to self loop. He makes it sound like it would take no more than an hour or so to achieve. But they were just so excited to share their discovery……………….
Has James put an inverter on his completed build? 9.3 Kw achieved remember.
Haven’t Taiwan put an inverter on their completed build?
And the hum-dinger for me: Have the 3000 plus (claimed at the gofundme site) engineers from China that worked with them in Taiwan (all sorts of visa issues stated on the video) had time to follow up on this? Would be fairly simple for 3000 engineers to get this going if you have already gone to the trouble of international travel in this involvement.
So since claims have been that OU has been achieved, it must be time to start examining those claims and all associated evidence.
I read his words very carefully. My post did not misread or misrepresent his statements. He started out asking for peak measurements. Then he switched to talking about input measurements that ostensibly come from the "Kill-a-Watt" device which does not report Watts as the product of peak to peak voltage and current. Then he switched to talking about rms power without even a peep of whether he had applied any conversion from his peak to peak measurements. All that ambiguity came from James. Even $400. digital scopes perform rms calculations.
Mark:
I really don't think you should intentionally misread him. He was just making sure everyone started with some basis measurement that every scope reads ie peak values; after all not everyone has rms enabled sampling scopes. Chill out. Wait for a while for more solid measurements before pouring hot oil on some hard working soul. As for Hope girl, I can't speak for her - she's probably delusional on some cult goddess.
cheers,
chrisC
So are you saying that maybe not everyone has RMS capable measuring technology?@PIH123
Fair enough.
So everyone should use peak – to –peak values for both output AND INPUT.
Agree ?
So why is that kill-a-watt device in the “Morrocco overunity achieved” video measuring RMS input.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0) at 1:35
It is used (incorrectly) as the evidence that overunity has been achieved, and to subsequently source more funds.
Please re-read (and digest) post #1034 by TK that explains all about output power.
Once you understand that output power is “drawn” by the load, it may become obvious why some dimly lit bulbs highlight the issues with the output power claims.
We can clearly (visually) see the evidence (without the need for misrepresented scope and / or meter measurements).
At 0:14
In the video above, 6 bulbs of around 100 W stated rating are drawing less than 60 percent of their max load. Output power anyone ? Is it over 655 rms as measured with the “kill-a-watt”.
So I bench tested with the same bulb setup (I only had a box of 75 Watters, but visually, theirs were slightly more dimly lit than mine), whereby the last bulb only just light up as evidenced in the videos. Guess what power was being drawn ?
Hint : it was within 10 watts of one of the values given in MH’s post #1021
I can also tell you it was not in the range 600 to 700 W
If you want to wait and ignore the evidence, fine.
But it is so blatant, and somewhat surprisingly (to me at least) is pointing to the fact that James knows fully well what is going on judging by his words and actions.
I first thought it was the girl that was leading the fraud, either willfully or through ignorance.
But now I know that James is not the claimed skilled Engineer or is a fully paid up, card carrying member of the scam team.
These are very basic mistakes and hence are being willfully made.
@ChrisC:$400. is for a standalone scope. I didn't want to quote a USB scope price and get into a silly battle over the price not including the PC.
You seem to be missing something: the measurements we see in the video are _perfectly valid_ for what they are. And what they actually indicate is an output of about 250W. We don't need to "wait for good measurements", as long as we are shown the raw data from correctly positioned probes with correct settings on the scope. James Robitaille can point to those measurements and make false claims about what they indicate.... but this is not a problem with the measurements!
More precise measurements can certainly be made. Actual power analyzers could and should be used... but why bother? When you are presented with a device that hovers around 100 or 102 percent efficiency, then you need to break out the "big guns". When you have a device that measures roughly 35 percent non-OU and the only indications of OU come from the claimant's blatant misinterpreting of his own data.... a 400 dollar scope and a Rogowski coil current transformer are going to get you close enough for "due diligence".
And nowadays, MarkE's estimate is way too large: even 100 dollar DSOs can calculate RMS values from a trace.
The 1st and 2nd do not phase lock (I can dial right through) and are multi-phasic (power going back and forth as Jeremy mentions)
I measured 9,460W with 600W input, and 13,326W at 800W input
At 800W input, this is about 1590W RMS
and with 700W input, I had only 1,836W peak (about 175W RMS)
We need to better understand the interaction between the primary and secondary, and how to optimally tune the loops.
Interfacing to the real world brings up another item I've been wanting to mention to you guys: Judging from Witts latest (full version) video, the lack of any discernable change in resonance/sound/RPM etc. as he turns on lamp after lamp leads me to believe there is a constant impedance load on the output. In other words, I think the generator is operated at full power, full time, and the load is completely isolated from the output circuit (transformer or inductor as load), and all the power is pulled out of the secondary.
I will be back on around 6pm. Leave me your questions here, and I'll pick them up through the day and we can discuss tonight.
The debate is over: on PESN
Stuart Campbell Mod • 2 hours ago
From Dave Starbruck...
Breaking News: Hot off the press!!!
I just spoke to Jamie and he mentioned that he has now achieved 3kW output, that’s six times over unity!
We all know that Jamie is never wrong.
The debate is over: on PESNThe article was far more circumspect than Stuart's comments. Sterling quoted someone from somewhere on Facebook who calls himself John Gomez. Sterling agreed with Gomez who recited the 8:1 ratio of the product of VPEAK * IPEAK to VA for sinusoidal voltage and current. The math is trivial enough: (2*20.5)2 = 8.
Stuart Campbell Mod • 2 hours ago
From Dave Starbruck...
Breaking News: Hot off the press!!!
I just spoke to Jamie and he mentioned that he has now achieved 3kW output, that’s six times over unity!
We all know that Jamie is never wrong.
Interfacing to the real world brings up another item I've been wanting to mention to you guys: Judging from Witts latest (full version) video, the lack of any discernable change in resonance/sound/RPM etc. as he turns on lamp after lamp leads me to believe there is a constant impedance load on the output. In other words, I think the generator is operated at full power, full time, and the load is completely isolated from the output circuit (transformer or inductor as load), and all the power is pulled out of the secondary. This transformer/inductor load may also be a 3rd resonant (tuned) circuit on the generator side. And possibly, this may need to be set up first, before trying to tune in to the 'sweet spot' (original configuration).[/font][/size]
In Jamie's recent report http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity) he says:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the idea of the tank circuit on the output of the QEG was intended to do just that, that is place the unit under constant load. Correctly tuned (I assume around 400 hz) the tank circuit looks like a pure resistive load, but does not consume power. The last bit of what he says make no sense to me, as his light bulbs are a constant impedance load. If and when he adds a transformer it would replace the tank circuit and he will need to add capacitance. Oh why do I bother....
Its a bit frustrating in that we really have no idea what the present configuration looks like, and the purpose of the tank circuit seems to have been ignored completely, or at least that's how it appears to me. I think that perhaps Jamie has missed the significance of the tank circuit in the design. This hardly feels open source, not unless you pay them $200 - $300K I guess.
@isim Your a bit late to the party. They are starting to use rms values in their actual power calculations, moreover they claim to now have achieved overunity.We don't know what they are using for their calculations. We know only that they are now labeling some reported values as rms.
The message from James freely mixes different power measurement methods. There is no telling whether the correct normalization was performed prior to making comparisons.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity)
The point has been made. AFAIK, FTW has not done anything to clear up the muck that they have stirred.
I already posted want what you just posted which can be sean here [size=78%]http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/386-qeg-morocco-overunity?start=12[/size] together with few comments back. This is not a very active forum, just a handful of postings each day. You can see them here:
This is old news now, and I'm waiting for more details on their new power readings, if and when they provide them. It does not behoove use to keep beating the same drum, the point has already been made and recieved several days ago.
The message from James freely mixes different power measurement methods. There is no telling whether the correct normalization was performed prior to making comparisons.
So with that being said, I can tell you that while there is not a lot of information being directly shared on this forum (or really any other)
Correct normalization means normalizing all measurements correctly to one common standard.
Its fine to mixed things along as your clear. If you are going to use peak-to-peak values use the term instantaneous power. The mistake Dave made was to failed to understand that the power meter on the input side measured true rms value, while he did the math use the instantaneous power value for the output. But we have gone through this already ad nauseum. It needs also to be said that all the posted analysis only applies to sinusoidal waveforms. Its highly likely that the QEG produces harmonics, so the output voltage and current are not strictly sinusoidal, but good enough.
Not really sure what you mean by "the correct normalization", unless your referring to the current sensor. What is clear from the latest Jamie posting it they are claiming overunity, where he did quote the actual power out put to be 1590W for an input of 800W, 2x overunity. However, like every body else, the real proof of onverunity is if they can self loop it.
An EEE is an Electronic and Electrical Engineer. I graduated from Surrey University (England) with a 1st Class Honours. I think we have beaten the peak-to-peak/rms issue to death. See my earlier posting for the calc.There is no reactive (imaginary) power or apparent power here. The load is purely resistive remember, so all the power is active (real) power. You can see this on the scope. The current and voltage are in phase. There is a tank circuit on the output of the QEG. This provides a constant load at resonance (if tuned correctly to the output frequency which is I think around 400 Hz). It too appears as a resitive load to the generator. That is not to say that the QEG is not capable of producing reactive power, but you need to have the right load. Generally reactive power is generated in synchronous AC systems to control the output voltage for inductive loads. I am assuming that at some point they will replace the tank circuit with a step down transformer, this they with need to tuned so that it looks like a resistive load by added parallel capacitance. This is generally refereed to as impedance matching and critical in ensuring max power transfer. If not done correctly power will be reflected back to the generator by the load. From what Jamie last reported, and if I understood him correctly, he was able to produce around 1600W (average power) into a resistive load for an 800W input to the system. So a COP of 2.
from video on youtube it looks like he is still prototyping.No there is no working device. Before their world tour, they lied and said that they had a device working for at least 150 hours. They have not made any of their devices work: run itself and drive a load anywhere that they have gone.
the website claims that he travels around the world.
but i haven't seen any video that shows a home running of this device.
is there any completed device that works?
The energy from the aether is tapped to excite electrons which we then use to perform work. That work converts the energy of the electrons into heat through friction and whatnot. The laws of thermodynamics are not broken. Energy is being conserved and is merely being converted from one form to another. The energy we use is proportional to the number of electrons we excite to do some work for us, which is then given off as mostly heat into our environment. We are not opening up a floodgate of energy that will quickly run out of control and inundate us.
I think of it as the QEG is like a guitar, and we are using the energy of the aether to strum the strings for us. We then use those vibrations of the strings to excite some electrons and make them do some work for us. We don't actually take any energy out of the aether, we only use its vibrational properties to our advantage.
Acca,
The so-called "rotoverter" is just one in on a long line of nearly useless motors or generators or motor-generators. The QEG is in that long line, the mysterious South African Sterling-bamboozler mo-gen is another. There are two huge threads on Energetic Forum about modified motors that don't do anything special. It's a long list.
The rotoverter has been around for years and years now and nothing is happening. The QEG is awaiting the same fate.
MileHigh
Hi, Just a little help needed here. And yes I know this has been discuss in many places. But some times when the terms "overunity ad Cop show up in our discussion it gives me pause. Just to make sure of what is being discussed and compared with the QEG. Below is some thing I copied off the web. Please tell me how this measures up as an explanation between the two.And how if any they belong together. I am just tying to get a basic understanding of the differences in my head.Over unity is where the apparent output energy exceeds the sum of the apparent input and consumed internal energies. Many ordinary things have COPs or apparent COPs > 1: heat pumps, primary batteries, wind, solar, hydro, geothermal, and even fossil fuels.
Thanks :-[
Overunity is not talking about efficiency, and especially not an efficiency greater than 100%. Overunity refers to a system with a COP>1. COP is not the same thing as efficiency because efficiency takes into consideration all of the energy input into a system while COP only takes into consideration the energy input by the operator and not energy input by the environment. Therefore, in a system where some or all of the energy is provided by the environment, it is entirely possible for the COP of the system to be greater than 1, even though its efficiency will always be less than 100%
Dear MH, why a NickName??
Are you talking here out of hands-on knowledge / experience based, or religion-like / writings based?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AkApUyOcEg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AkApUyOcEg)
But thanking you truly for time, and intentions!
Regards, Johan
@Johan:
Thanks for posting your contraption. Care to educate us more on it's merits?
btw, this public forum like others contain the usual number of statistics - 'experts' who tells you they know it all, 'seekers' of information, 'teachers' who wants to teach and of course 'builders' who wants to build and 'mockers' who will always believe the status quo. My take is very simple, the truth will come out and people should be mindful of fakes but they should never totally say they know everything! On the internet you can use any nickname and still be a dog and no one will know!
cheers,
chrisC
The truth does always come out. It is immune to opinion.
Dear MarkE,Do you object that I agree with you that the truth is ultimately known?
Yes, your right, its now so clear!
They can nag easy on lot of people, like last week: Bedini, LindeMann or RotoVerter!
But no building or testing experience!
Regards, Johan
Do you object that I agree with you that the truth is ultimately known?
Don't you know the truth yet about: Bedini, Lindemann, or the Rotoverter? If you don't, just compare the claims made these many years against the evidence.
As to what I've built, you have no knowledge on which to base your claim.
What are you asking?
Your right: Its always coming out, just time!
May I ask: What is your idea about Chemtrails?
Regards, Johan
May I ask: What is your idea about Chemtrails?
Regards, JohanWhat are you asking?
1. What disturbs me is that no evidence has been shown for the supposed overunity case that Jamie reported on this week (1590W out for 800W in). No scope traces, no nothing!They are making progress in their journey! They have learned, from the responses to the May 18 video, that they must NOT show any raw data or scopetraces, along with their claims of OU.
2. I'm willing to believe that the load is not impedance matched to the generator. I doubt that they are using the tank circuit. I doubt that they know why its there in the first place? If they where using it I would expect to see not quite so perfect phase alignment, and more waveform distortion. Why 6 light bulbs? Getting the load impedance right is sort of import is you want to get maximum power transfer.
3. We really do not know what the current circuit arrangement is any more. If this was truly open source they would publish their ideas so others could work with them. Folks who are perhaps actual engineers.
I thought this was the "Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)" thread. I don't think it's about Rotoverters or chemtrails....While it is a very good idea and standard practice to enter the probe attenuation and measurement type: voltage / current so that the oscilloscope displays directly indicate the measured quantities in the correct units, it's OK not to do that provided the attenuation and units are noted elsewhere. On occasion a particular oscilloscope won't have the right attenuation setting to read directly in correct units, although that is not the case here.
Anyhow, here are a couple of frame grabs from the recent "Overunity" video from QEG Morocco.
The first one shows the channel settings and clearly reveals that their oscilloscope has both channels set to "AC Coupled". Is there an electrical engineer in the house? Well, at least this incorrect setting probably does not change the peak-to-peak values computed by the scope, although it usually WILL change the positive and negative peak values and other math performed on the traces.
The second one shows that the scope is indeed computing the peak-to-peak values for both traces and that the claims made in the video of OU are indeed coming from these computed peak-to-peak values. One must assume that the channel attenuations do not match the probes: one High-Voltage probe with 1000:1 attenuation, presumably... and one coil-type current monitor with unknown ratio of sensed current to voltage output but presumed to be 10:1 or 1 Amp:100 mV. They must have both scope channels set to no probe attenuation ie 1:1, since the channel values are reported in milliVolts and we must do the multiplication for the probe attens ourselves. (Misuse of scope).
Regardless, the glaring error of the power computation is confirmed and the evidence for scoposcopic incompetence is preserved for the record.
While it is a very good idea and standard practice to enter the probe attenuation and measurement type: voltage / current so that the oscilloscope displays directly indicate the measured quantities in the correct units, it's OK not to do that provided the attenuation and units are noted elsewhere. On occasion a particular oscilloscope won't have the right attenuation setting to read directly in correct units, although that is not the case here.Agreed, of course. My venerable and trusty HP180A doesn't even have any "probe atten" settings or markings.... the makers assumed that anyone using such an instrument can keep track of... and report properly... such information and its effect on the value of the traces displayed. People who watch my videos showing scope data might note that I always report scope channel and probe attenuations -- but then, I am trying to convey information, rather than obscuring it as the QEG people appear to be doing. It was hell scanning through that video looking for a frame or two where one could actually READ the scope screen... and of course the scope itself can save a screen shot at full resolution. Since there are still shots in the video... why isn't there a clear screenshot from the scope itself displayed as a still frame? I know why... and so do you.
Agreed, of course. My venerable and trusty HP180A doesn't even have any "probe atten" settings or markings.... the makers assumed that anyone using such an instrument can keep track of... and report properly... such information and its effect on the value of the traces displayed. People who watch my videos showing scope data might note that I always report scope channel and probe attenuations -- but then, I am trying to convey information, rather than obscuring it as the QEG people appear to be doing. It was hell scanning through that video looking for a frame or two where one could actually READ the scope screen... and of course the scope itself can save a screen shot at full resolution. Since there are still shots in the video... why isn't there a clear screenshot from the scope itself displayed as a still frame? I know why... and so do you.I have not seen where they have detailed out, much less checked their instrumentation set-up. The 1000:1 voltage probe is obvious in some pictures. I don't know if they have ever identified the particular current sense transformer that they are using. A 100mV/A sensitivity for a current transformer is common. They are reporting values as though that is what they use.
Is there some place where the details of the QEG mob's Current Transformer are noted? I must have missed it. But at least they are now using a proper BNC patch cord to connect this current sensor instead of the banana-jack adapter and clipleads to a scope probe.
We must remember that QEG scope shots show how free energy type power measurements are taken because the peak value of the QEG waveform represent the peak of inrushing aetheric energy, so the units of power are those assumed to do real work termed: 'Wattnots'. These are considered distinctly superior to the ordinary Watts used by conventional electrical engineers and the new revolutionary QEG machines will see the end to the reign of the greedy oil barons by giving Hope to all.
You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
For people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait
ETA: The scope shown in the video, some flavor of the Tektronix 3054, can display a Math trace that computes the instantaneous power curve, and it can further INTEGRATE that result over a selected interval. Why are these people not using this capability of this very expensive and capable oscilloscope? I know why and so do you.
A lot of people do not understand insulation and clearances that are necessary to safely work with voltages above what they have in their homes.
That's what I've done some years ago when testing grabriel device with a 150 $ Chinese scope, it took a couple of minutes to figure that it wasn't OU in the end. Hell, even a newbie like me (and still one) can do that...The key being the "if well used" part. It is possible to fool the most sophisticated scope by making the fundamental measurements incorrectly.
Scope today have a lot of Math functions and are really precise, if well used difficult to fool him !
A measurement pitfall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWDfrzBIxoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWDfrzBIxoQ)
What kind of hysteresis do you mean? B-H kind, where you are moving the magnetism of a core around on a per-cycle basis? I think this turns out to be a power loss mechanism; something tells me you want a really skinny "S" BH curve rather than a squarish fat one if you want to minimize losses in the core especially at high frequencies. I'm not sure about this though and I'll be happy to be educated in the matter by the magnetism experts.
I think this has an effect on the efficiency of the device under test, but measurements involving instantaneous VxI multiplication and integration of the resulting power curve should still be made normally and should still give the true result, whatever the core's BH curve looks like, I think.
Grav, real or fake is that the question or the sum? We know for certain it does not work as of yet, so I for one would like to find a solution to the non working part. When one day we do find solution for OU there will be a solid understanding developed we will call it a science of course. Then that science will be applied to many previously discarded devices and they will be perfected into COP > 1. This device or a past or any it does not matter. What matters is that we work together sparking each others thoughts and DOING with builds and simulations or whatever it takes to get us there.Hi Hope :)
In a way trolls provide some positive aspects of letting us know we are on the right track or near it. It always encourages me to see them appear and the harder they bark the more I know we are getting closer to a working device. On thing is for certain, if COP > 1 exists everyday we work toward it, it is one day closer we are to discovering OU.
One thought I would like to have you all remember is that in many past (thought to be working) devices there were connections to either and earth sink and/or a air sink (meaning we collected or connected to a reservoir). So where would we place an antenna in this circuit and/or ground?
While most have been supportive beyond our wildest dreams, and we are eternally grateful for YOU, there are still those who want to suppress this technology. Many are wolves dressed in sheep’s clothing, and come with notebooks and pens. They make judgments, criticisms and spin stories. They have agendas that do not have humanity’s interest in mind. They are reporters wanting juicy stories, old-timers who are resentful their invention never “made it,” and facebook comments just for the sake of arguing and stirring up strife and division. And then of course, there are the paid trolls who threaten to destroy us and everyone we love – but they’re quite obvious.What? I thought that it was already working??
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We simply cannot understand the wave of demands we receive and the expectations placed on us from any entity beyond our funders, who do not place such demands, but are happy, patient and grateful to give and see the solution manifesting. To those whose demands we have tried our best to fulfill, we ask you to keep in mind that we don’t have big labs and big budgets. (Though the $100,000 worth of equipment required to create this report was lovingly donated to the project)
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PLEASE NOTE: The QEG is still in development with the last important step to go. While our goal was to finish in Morocco, we could not due to the expense of building a modern device in an underdeveloped country. To efficiently complete the next step – self-running – we again call on our friends and supporters to help us fund it. Thank you so very much, awesome planet-changers!
PHASE 3 QEG DEVELOPMENT – PLEASE DONATE HERE (http://gofundme.com/Phase3QEG)
We are making history together! Because of the commitment of The People to bypass the usual production nightmare, set up by the powers that be (were), we were able to build the QEG and achieve the overunity phase of development in Morocco! What began with a conversion of 600 Watts into the generator motor to produce approximately 2000 Watts out (see 1st overunity video here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJkNruMM6tE)), currently James is reporting 3000 Watts (5X), and some points 4500, 9460, 13,326, even 28,000 Watts!” That’s all output with 600Watts input! (More videos to come showing these readings, as well as “How to build a QEG” videos, which can be found on HopeGirl’s youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/HopeGirl587)!) One of the most valuable documents that has come from the Morocco build is the QEG Test & Measurement Report (http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-may-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v1-01.doc). (http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-may-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v1-01.doc)
Building conditions in Morocco (lack of equipment, lack of access to machine parts, tremendous delays, etc.) dictate the 3rd phase of QEG development – self-running – be achieved in an area with readily available resources.
The QEG project continues to be blessed, thanks to a very generous sponsorship offer! Our UK sponsor has agreed to buy all the parts and provide a building environment replete with equipment from one of the biggest systems development companies in the world. We will be building a 4th QEG, bring it to resonance and overunity, design the converter and reach self-running within 1 month. Below is the budget for the build:
For example, five thousand Chinese engineers have given their word to us that they will opensource any QEG building and improvements as they, too, can see the end of suffering for their people.
Please help us ALL get there! To our knowledge this has never been done quite this way before. The end of energy tyranny is in sight and We The People are making it real! We can easily start imagining what life will be like when we are free to live off the grid: no more robbery, no more domination/control by the powers that be (were), and no more feelings of helplessness to stop the suffering on the planet. PLEASE CLICK HERE TO MAKE A DONATION TO THE QEG CAMPAIGN (http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG)Translation: We need twenty thousand dollars American to go from 17% efficiency to 19% efficiency.
there are still those who want to suppress this technologyWhat technology, a really inefficient motor!!!
They make judgments, criticisms and spin stories.Jamie claimed to have a working onverunity prototype. Oh let me guess he didn't calculate the output power properly, used p-p values instead of rms. Oh what a shame, all that money spent. Hopegirl at least had fun jaunting around the globe giving worthless speeches of hope and technology suppression. Let me see I need a few months abroad, some new tech equipment, how about a few of use get together and invent something, go get so crowd funding!!
We simply cannot understand the wave of demands we receive and the expectations placed on us from any entity beyond our fundersYeah selling fantasies of free eternal energy, it's called the sun, cold fusion, LENR, and other things rooted in real science. They clearly approached this like starting a new religion, my guess is that's were it will end up becoming one, the religion of the QEG.
To efficiently complete the next step – self-running – we again call on our friends and supporters to help us fund it.Unbelievable!!
Note that what HopeGirl and her gang have basically admitted to is that the entire Moroccan adventure was a failure and a fiasco. They spent tons of money and interacted with the locals and built another useless hunk of metal and wire that does absolutely nothing. Instead of the QEG, make a direct connection between the wall outlet and your load and you will be better off. In fact, you will always be better off if you make a direct connection between the wall outlet and your load.
Didn't they state that there were "20 or 30 'engineers'" in Morocco? What did they all do considering that the technical report documents one single experiment?
How come James Robitaille is sometimes referred to as an "engineer" and sometimes as an "engineering artist?" What the hell is an "engineering artist" anyways? I have never heard that term before in my life.
The bottom line is that going to Morocco was a nonsensical cash burn and nothing more than that.
There is zero chance that when they set up shop in London that they will achieve over unity. As I have previously stated, there is nothing special about the hunk of metal and wire that they call a QEG. Every single component in the QEG is conventional and respects CoE and all the parts working together are conventional and respect CoE. There is no magic pixie dust or secret sauce anywhere in sight.
Giving HopeGirl and her gang any more money will be tantamount to pouring money down the drain.
MileHigh
On the positive side in going to London they will be able to replace the 5,000 Chinese and 20 - 30 Moroccan Engineers with one good EE or EEE. They will also have near unlimited access to good beer, crisps, pork scratchings and black pudding to feed their souls.
On the positive side in going to London they will be able to replace the 5,000 Chinese and 20 - 30 Moroccan Engineers with one good EE or EEE.
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-morocco-test-and-measurement-report-opensourced/
I have to admit that the result part of the document is pitiful...
More data will be submitted from the QEG Morocco build when all present project engineers compile their findings.
Quoting HopeGirl:The QEG is very quantum: The scam artist Hope Girl exudes lots of positive energy so that cash that once belonged to followers pops out of existence in their wallets and pops back into existence in Hope Girl's purse. The cash is quantized. One can argue as to whether it is conserved during spooky interactions with her spending.
Don't count on that ever coming true. It's arguable that that is just pablum to keep the QEG forum sheeple quiet because now they won't dare ask questions because they have been told that more data will be forthcoming. There hasn't been even the slightest sense that between 20 and 30 "project engineers" have been working on anything in Morocco. All that we saw of substance was the one ad-hoc claimed over unity clip that was filmed by the Facebook user "Allegedly Known as Dave." That's the clip that is clearly and unambiguously under unity and HopeGirl is flogging it as an over unity clip.
We have seen nothing of substance at all from Taiwan and it's been over a month. Where do the alleged 20 or 30 "engineers" in Morocco go now? Do they all move to London? Don't be surprised if you never hear them mentioned again. The 5000 Chinese engineers? If they actually rented a large hall in Taiwan and gave a presentation to 5000 Chinese engineers don't you think there would be some record of it and what transpired?
It's a classic move by professional promoters of fake free energy propositions. Do a failed demo and then claim that there will be more data forthcoming in the future and then beat a hasty retreat and then never deliver the promised follow-up data. I am not saying that this is what the HopeGirl gang will do, I can't predict the future. Just don't be surprised if this is how it plays itself out.
In terms of the presentation of the technical data, so far it has been abysmal. The use of the term "RMS power" is cringe-worthy. Don't forget we are supposed to be dealing with a bunch of engineers. Note that James tried different values of capacitance, which would have changed the resonant frequency of the primary tank circuit. The primary tank is coupled to the secondary and that drives the resistive light bulb load. With that setup it would be expected that there would be no major changes in the power into the load as he tried different capacitance values. It's a very weak amateur-grade experiment in my opinion. He should have tried varying the resistance of the light bulb load and noted the changes in input power and output power. At least there you are investigating how varying the impedance of the load might affect the power throughput and the efficiency of the QEG. In addition, he could have measured the resistance of the pair of secondary coils and at least accounted for his resistive losses in the secondary windings when he analyzed the power throughput as he varied the load impedance.
Not that any testing that I am suggesting is going to make much of a difference in the overall scheme of things. 17% efficiency for that funky WITTS-derived "[electrical]->[motor]->[mechanical]->[LC resonator]->[secondary]->[electrical]" transformer seems about right. There is no quantum anything anywhere associated with that hunk of metal and wire.
MileHigh
The use of the term "RMS power" is cringe-worthy.
Note that James tried different values of capacitance, which would have changed the resonant frequency of the primary tank circuit. The primary tank is coupled to the secondary and that drives the resistive light bulb load. With that setup it would be expected that there would be no major changes in the power into the load as he tried different capacitance values. It's a very weak amateur-grade experiment in my opinion. He should have tried varying the resistance of the light bulb load and noted the changes in input power and output power. At least there you are investigating how varying the impedance of the load might affect the power throughput and the efficiency of the QEG. In addition, he could have measured the resistance of the pair of secondary coils and at least accounted for his resistive losses in the secondary windings when he analyzed the power throughput as he varied the load impedance.
The QEG project continues to be blessed, thanks to a very generous sponsorship offer! Our UK sponsor has agreed to buy all the parts and provide a building environment replete with equipment from one of the biggest systems development companies in the world. We will be building a 4th QEG, bring it to resonance and overunity, design the converter and reach self-running within 1 month.
We got word there was Over Unity achieved within QEG system the other day. We just helped Jamie film another update, with more data points than before, demonstrating this Over Unity Power being generated.
However, this power can not be drawn out of the QEG until the circuit which pulls the power out can be completed. Jamie is en route to another QEG build location to finalize those designs and hopefully we will have a fully functional QEG with self running generator and power outputs at standard household rates soon. Jamie attempted to use parts from a Microwave in order to invert the power but this was not successful.
(3),000 average of expenses per month listed. http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/
derestimate hopegirl. She is a mastermind by all means.
One thing that I noticed but I didn't mentioned in the video. " With the system running (235 Hz) I grabbed a neodymium magnetic and I felt a high vibration 3 feet away from the equipment.
I have made the same test in others equipment, like transformers, (big ones), big motors running in low and high speed using a VFD drives and I never noticed anything like that...
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Hi Ariovaldo,Thanks for the tips...
so you have 675 Watts input and
about 225 Watts output ?
Many thanks for reporting these tests,
so you are also still stuck on about 36 % Efficiency as well as
the last video with Peak to Peak measurements in Morroco
has also shown about 36 % efficiency...
So better you try now the coil shorting method of Aviso-Konehead,
otherwise you will get stuck to this low efficiency.
You can just also easily try just to fastly open and close
the output current and collect BackEMF via a fast rectifier bridge in a load
capacitor.
Good luck !
Regards, Stefan.
It will be fun to watch a mechanical interrupter breaking the current from a 10 or 20 Henry coil at 2 kV ! Please be sure to make a video....
and be sure to wear your safety shades!
8)
Thanks for the tips...
I already have a mechanic switch to test. I just need some time to assemble it...
Do you plan to use any snubbers, flyback, or TVS circuits? The energy stored in your winding inductance has the potential to unleash some really nasty arcs if you don't.Not really... but if I get a ' nasty arcs" as you are saying, I will install a big resistor in series using the same principle that we use in Electrostatic precipitators, that works with HV. 100 kV in many cases.
Well....OK.... then you'll probably go wild over this one I just now made.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcui0K7JZXA
Resonance: calculating, constructing, tuning a small resonant system to harvest electrosmog, ambient power or wirelessly transmitted power:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80D92QaOcM4
But... but.... hundreds of Engineers! Twenty years of experience at ShopVac! Inventions!
Even the 2kV peak-to-peak values they have shown can teach them a powerful lesson. One that only needs to be experienced once. One that _can_ only be experienced... once.
My MOT-DC SGTC coil working has around 2 kV input to the primary tank (from a microwave oven transformer), and something like 170 nF of capacitance charged to that voltage. It scares the crap out of me. One may look at my videos to see how carefully I handle that with layout and procedure, even with bleeders on the cap bank.
I almost died one afternoon. I had charged up a big 30 kV rated Maxwell pulse capacitor, 0.3 uF IIRC, using a Bonetti machine, in preparation for a wire explosion shot. The system was supposed to fire automatically when the main airgap overvolted... but it didn't. So I took my "jesus pole" and shorted the airgap manually... and the capacitor exploded. I estimate that the cap probably charged to over 60 kV. I was wearing a full face guard and earmuffs, a good thing because shards of the capacitor case went flying, oil splattered everywhere, and the main capacitor remnant (an oil-filled stack of paper and copper foil) caught on fire. This is a physically large capacitor, about 2 feet long and six by four inches rectangular, with one terminal on each long end. I put out the fire and was cleaning up, went to put a safety short across the terminals of the remnant... and accidentally brushed against some of the foil hanging out. There was enough charge left in the shattered capacitor to knock me across the room and leave me unconscious. Probably only for a few seconds. This was a good thing because I was completely alone in the lab (Bldg 29, Alameda NAS) with no one around, literally for miles.
"There are no legitimate scientific arguments that can explain how the QEG is supposed to allegedly work. From what I can see so far, the QEG is doing exactly what it is supposed to do, and what it is expected to do - act like a very crappy generator."You can feel whatever you like. The evidence presented to date is in line with MileHigh's assessment.
That is a quote
Only?? I feel this QEG is working and as a scalar wave generator.
And as long as they try to tune it using traditional methods (made for EMF) they will NOT gain much ground. But let us look at it in scalar definitions, then we can see what is causing the now present energy.The energy out evidenced is a small fraction of the input energy.
What behavior of the QEG do you think has not been explained adequately by existing theory?
Tom Bearden should be contacted and sourced to find similarities between the QEG using the known scalar producing theory. You may just move on to any remark you wish and ignore this input. But that will not change the facts that it can not be explained using EMF formulas.[/font]
In circuits, we dissipate energy as heat when we: drive currents through resistances, including eddy currents, or we drive magnetics around their hysteresis loops.
Tesla was fascinated by the bi-filar coils ability to convert massive amounts of EMF into scalar waves which then produced heat. That was caused by the energies flowing in opposite directions and causing EMF friction. So we can make heat, that does not solve for creating energy. I think to vortexes flowing in opposite directions will be the opposite action of the bi-filar coil. We get heat from making the emf moving in opposite directions, of course the will attract to each other and friction makes the heat. Lets make scalar waves repel each other and then make energy.
Tesla was fascinated by the bi-filar coils ability to convert massive amounts of EMF into scalar waves which then produced heat.
What parallels I see in what happened at 911 to cars nowhere near the collapse zone. They caught fire and flipped from some strange whip like snap of scalar waves. You scholars (scalars)+ (lol) of Tesla have read of the odd effects huge discharges have had on close yet not seemingly to close objects. How many similarities do we need to list before we see how scalar waves could be causing all this phenomena. I must have my scalar blind filter glasses on, can anyone else see the parallels?
Aligator31 posted a brilliant design idea using Russian 4x12x62mm ferrite flat bars. I have just finished doing the calculations on that design in a 6 page PDF, which I will post soon.
I show how doubling up on the core stack 6 deep instead of 3 deep to double the cross sectional core area, provides a 1500W device costing less than $400 to build. Further placing a second core stack below the PCB (as just one idea) you have a 3000W device for just a few dollars more.
With only 364 turns on primary coils using 16# wire and 24 turns on o/p gets you a 1.5kW mini-QEG. The calculations show where the problem dissipation areas are, it appears a 27:1 over unity factor is a possibility. Primary voltage is only 200V peak on the primary.
Now when a Lenz law reverse response hits the air-core transformer (the only one that actually exists as a transformer in any real sense driven by a resonance excitation), the effect has nowhere to go in context of the air-core - there aren't any corresponding "air coils", so the effect cascades down upon the coils of the metal-core, and voila - it encounters that dead short, and is slammed to zero excess power. All that happens is a largish reflected load current dissipates plenty of heat in the primary wire, so thick wire is good, but beyond that a BIG FAT ZERO POWER due to the zero volts across that dead short. A 10,000W o/p load is balanced by a 0W power budget in the primary, which is just unheard in the electrical profession. I am an electrical engineer, but in all my born days never would I have ever suspected something like this. All there is in the primary is a few watts in the wire due to the size of the reflected load current. Understanding how that is even possible is the key to appreciating how over unity works
Actually I see a new inverter topology (I have already designed an initial prototype), which incorporates an over unity device built tight into its o/p power section, so the the MOSFETs of the H-Bridge are switching at very low power. The QEG belongs at the input of the inverter, but it is also true an over unity device needs to be built into the inverter itself, to dramatically reduce cost, and heat, power complexity of the H-bridge switching elements.
Don't shoot the messenger. I just received this link and I never saw that before.
http://www.wardenclyffe.es/inicio.html
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Even Sterling thinks this one is a scam. That has to tell you something.
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:05:27#Wardenclyffe.es_Most_Likely_a_Scam_--_Possible_Decoy (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:05:27#Wardenclyffe.es_Most_Likely_a_Scam_--_Possible_Decoy)
wardenclyffe have pictures on their website with their own logo on machines which are regular generators built by
http://www.chin-power.cn/factory.html (http://www.chin-power.cn/factory.html)
Yes, I know.....
Thanks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_kXFGNdANU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_kXFGNdANU)
[size=0px]http://youtu.be/-04V_NIrC0k (http://youtu.be/-04V_NIrC0k)[/size]
Wesley
More from Hope.http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/Yet another lie.
More from Hope.http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/I would like to see the self looped operation that she seems to claim they've achieved.
Thanks for preciding your point of view.
Well, if you did see the rms values it is just because you didn't study the report.
And the claim is not conventional for now, as it is ratio between AVRs output under Real Power consumption, and the VARs go up to 2.05 kVARs rms (see report on the blog after the vid).
But as this very specific claim, the values looks perfectly in agreement and the orders of magnitude too great to be just false reading, imho.
So 2.000 / 600 = "COP"* 30.0.
*: the " " are very intended. COPs are one of my specialities in energetic engineering.
I would like to see the self looped operation that she seems to claim they've achieved.
Thanks for preciding your point of view.
Well, if you did see the rms values it is just because you didn't study the report.
And the claim is not conventional for now, as it is ratio between AVRs output under Real Power consumption, and the VARs go up to 2.05 kVARs rms (see report on the blog after the vid).
But as this very specific claim, the values looks perfectly in agreement and the orders of magnitude too great to be just false reading, imho.
So 2.000 / 600 = "COP"* 30.0.
*: the " " are very intended. COPs are one of my specialities in energetic engineering.
Are you just a troll to state something without demonstrating it?!
I was until now VERY DOUBTFUL about the whole thing, but see this vid and studying the so clear report which fits exactly to the vid, I bet these guys are genuine.
My main arguments are:
1. In this last doc and vid, all is perfectly clear;
2. What is actually claimed is what is indeed demonstrated: not Real Power overunity but VARs overunity.
If indeed they can transform this VARs Power in Real Power, we all win (except off course the main energetical industry and their trolls, off course ;) ).
Well, could be I am wrong, but except the French teems on the Richard Vialle's Autogenerator, I have never seen since I follow this quest of Free Energy, so clear and factual report with so precise usable measurements.
Regards to any honest to this Quest, and Very Well Done for this So Very Clear Vid and professional report like I would have always dreamed to see hete around.
More from Hope.http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/)
Our goal for QEG power out was 10,000 Watts. The tests show that the potential power out far exceeds this goal! The QEG in Morocco as shown in this video has been tested to produce almost 20,000 VARs energy out with 600 Watts energy in. After the output VARs are converted to Watts in the QEG 3rd phase of development, (which is a relatively simple phase) this will be equivalent to over 33 times overunity. This is a conservative rating as the input can be varied to 1,000 Watts energy in to produce 30,000 VARs energy out. There is A LOT of power in the QEG core!
Although the voltage (Ch 1 – yellow) has a fairly regular waveform, the current (Ch 2 – cyan) has an irregular waveform with a ‘double
peak’, possibly indicating that the system is not fully tuned. The voltage is 14kVpk-pk / 4100VRMS (using a 1000X probe) and
the current is 1.63Apk-pk / 0.5ARMS (using a 10X probe). It is difficult to be certain of the phase difference between the
voltage and current due to the double peak nature of the current waveform. This set-up gives a Reactive Power of
22.8kVARpk-pk or 2050kVARRMS, and a Reactive Power Efficiency of 338%.
It is imperative to mention that the people who showed up at the public QEG build where of the highest professional caliber: physicists, and electical engineers from several of the top leading industries. All were there to volunteer their time and talent to the mission of the project of bringing this free energy to the world.
Attaining a large amount of oscillating power in a resonant tank is the easy part thousands of people do it every day.
That oscilloscope has full-on math capability, by the way. It can compute an instantaneous power curve and even the integral of that curve, live on screen. Why aren't these capabilities being used?
The waveform they are talking about is shown below.
MileHigh
There are no experts and there is no documentation from James as to the ability to self run other that old videos from witts that are shown over and again. But I will bet that James is aware of the comments of this post and hopefully address them.Rereading ScamGirl's blog posting she lists O U and self-looping as milestones. Despite the terrible 17% efficiency they calculated, ScamGirl continues to suggest that they achieved O U in Morocco and that self-looping is just around the corner.
The LC cicuit consists of two main coils and a capacitor bank. The coils are 40 H each and the capacitors together make 125 nF.40*125E-9 = 5E-6, 1/(2pi*5E-60.5 = 71.2Hz.
That makes a resonance of 50 Hz !! Of very high voltage also !
Does it? Then why are FTW's efficiencies so low? Is the "quantum" stealing energy from their QEG and giving back waste heat?
And high voltage RF talks to the quantum ! That combined with the mechanical vibration
makes the basis of this invention.
What in that video do you think is special?
See also:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc&feature=em-uploademail
Who has ever received a working free energy machine from WITTS?
and the motherload of Free energy :
www.witts.ws/40kw-self-running-generator-qeg-help/ 8) 8) 8)
And if they do not, then what?
Beware of the shills here like milehigh and farmhand ! Just skip their 'messages' !
They better stay out off my and our way !
I've not looked in for several days and feel that I've missed out on the critique of the latest QEG report. It seems pretty much everything worthwhile has already been said. I too am dumbfounded why Jamie can't see that the I and V wave forms are also if not exactly 90 degrees out of phase (as one would expect to see for an LC circuit). As for the current spikes (noise) I wonder if this is due to the mechanical vibration of the core laminations. As for the double peaks in the primary current waveform, I wonder if this is not due there there being two primary windings.Imaginary and real power are distinct. The energy that goes into a resonant tank can with appropriate circuitry later be delivered into a load. Quasi resonant and fully resonant power converters exploit that fact. I don't think that is what JR is talking about.
In the UK reactive power (VAr) is very often referred to as "imaginary" power. As everybody here knows reactive power is important for balancing the grid system for power distribution but it's not possible to do work with it (in the QEG you are simply parsing energy back and forth between the primary core inductance and the capacitor bank). I was not aware that is is possible to convert "imaginary" power into "real" power as Jamie says they are working on. Can someone please enlighten me. Is the "Transverter" a real or mythical device?
The LC cicuit consists of two main coils and a capacitor bank. The coils are 40 H each and the capacitors together make 125 nF.
That makes a resonance of 50 Hz !! Of very high voltage also !
</blockquote>40*125E-9 = 5E-6, 1/(2pi*5E-60.5 = 71.2Hz.
Eniac5state,
Myself and Farmhand are not shills. In contrast, HopeGirl is the main shill for the QEG project. It's a band of merry pranksters on a magic bus.
Tune in, turn on, and drop cash.
MileHigh
Mark,There are basically two classes of switch mode power converters: Hard switching and soft switching. Hard switching converters generate trapezoidal current waveforms. Soft switching converters are resonant or quasi resonant. They switch at near zero voltage across or near zero current through the switches. Zero voltage switching is more efficient when using MOSFETs than zero current switching.
I thought those converters worked with square waves?
TK:
The two coils that make up the inductance for the primary tank circuit only work together when the spinning rotor is lined up with the extra inner "posts" that form the core. That routes the magnetic flux in an additive way. When the spinning rotor is not lined up with the "posts" the magnetic flux from the two coils will be in self-cancellation.
MileHigh
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But I expect that the QEG will now be well
overunity withgout it.
:S:MarkSCoffman
You can't be serious?
In a way you are correct. The measurements appear valid. To date, I have yet to read anyone question the measurements. You see, the error is in the interpretation. The calculations is what is being questioned. Earlier peak to peaks were announced as the output power. Should have not be calculated that way. Or should have used peak to peak for the input. Now reactive power is being used. Either method is good for keeping the ball rolling. The donations soar after the word is out using incorrect interpretations of power. When you dabble with reactive power you better make it very clear on your calculations and show every phase angle power factor product each step of the way, which by the way no such effort in the report shown. And as seen on the report and video, the phase angle is very high resulting in much lower true power.Maybe, but still they could be genuine.
2,000/600= 3.333, not 30. "COPs are one of my specialities in energetic engineering" maybe not.Indeed the real power is not much on the bulbs. And nice you note my error of deep night mind calculations. Still the ratio is overunity, but yes, as I have insist myself before you, in it not real power under real power.
I did NOT see rms values, but should have.
The VARs are immaterial; the only real power is < 300W.
The QEG failing to achieve over unity will have little affect on Hope Girl and her followers. As this can simply be attributed to all of the negative energy directed at them by the none believers. If only we had believed and focused all of our energy in a positive way the QEG surely would have achieved over unity. Ha!
James looked very tired in his last video. His hair looked pretty greasy also. Maybe he should take a shower and lay off for a few days,
Obviously some people just don't get it.Very thanks for specifying your viewpoint, I think I see now where you wanted to go.
All the activity (oscillating power) in the Tank is input from the power supply. Fact or fiction ?
If not where does it come from ? I'm certain that the energy in the tank can be demonstrated to be "from the supply", by careful measurement.
Attaining a large amount of oscillating power in a resonant tank is the easy part thousands of people do it every day. Seeing the "QEG" showing a larger oscillating power than the input power is not even interesting or out of the ordinary.
Many have claimed that the greater oscillating power than input power is OU but none have shown any evidence or argument that is sensible.
Any half descent resonant tank can show a great amount of oscillating power. That is not output. Before energy can go out, it must go in as we cannot make energy.
There is no mechanism I can see for any external energy to enter the device, then be output to an intended load.
I myself have achieved hundreds of watts activity with under 10 watts input. This is nothing more than accumulated energy from the supply.
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This report is good in the sense that it explains what the setup is exactly and what has been measured and how.Hi! I like your detailed analysis and I am agree with all your arguments in physics, including there is not "true" or "REAL" overnity, except when you looks to say that the oscillating energy exchanged in the tank couldn't be used.
I have read the report in detail and based on the reported measurements (not the reported interpretations), there is no overunity. The analytical analysis of the test results is lacking.
Here is my feedback on the various new experiments they did:
Experiment 2
6x100W bulb load is in the secondary circuit in series with the coil. Resistance of a single bulb is 576ohms (100W at 240V). Or total load is 6x 576 = 3456 ohms (when hot). Their resistance number of 251.5 ohms appears to be the measured cold resistance of one bulb (or 6 bulbs in series; this is not clearly stated).
No efficiency is mentioned for the secondary circuit but it is clearly under unity based on the traces (around 30% max).
Then the power is analyzed in the primary circuit. In this case there is no load in the primary circuit, so of course what is measured is not real power. What seems not to be understood by them is that measuring reactive power in the primary can not be simply assumed as transferable into real power or into extractable power. In fact the energy oscillating in the primary circuit is energy stored in the coils and capacitor; the energy is transferred from the coils to the capacitor, then back from the capacitor to the coils, etc. Some energy is dissipated in the coil's resistance. What is actually measured is the rate (power = energy / second) of energy transfer between the coil and capacitor. They mention a number of 22,800 VAR, or 22,800 Joules going back and forth every second between coil and capacitor. This is certainly possible, but should not be used to claim overunity. With a 100% efficient motor drawing 607W, it would only take 37.5 seconds for the motor to build up this energy into the primary circuit. The question remains, how much real power can one draw from the primary without destroying the resonance and whether this number is more or less than the 607W that the motor puts in. From all experiments done to date, this number has always been less than what the motor consumes.
Experiment 3
This experiment is similar to Experiment 2 except that the load appears in the primary coils.
For the secondary coils, the same logic applies as what is explained above for the primary coils. What is measured is an energy transfer rate between coil and capacitor, not extractable power. In order to determine extractable power, a load has to be placed into the secondary circuit.
For the primary coils, it appears the voltage is measured over the load and capacitor together (or over the coil), so the current shape is very non-sinusoidal and there is no point discussing RMS power in this case. The voltage should instead have been measured over the bulbs to get an estimate of what the real efficiency might have been in this configuration. Here again no over unity is shown. Just some numbers that show the energy transfer rate of energy accumulated in the circuit between coil and capacitor.
Despite the fact that no overunity was shown, I think it is good though for everyone to see the full measurement report and raw data (despite the fact that some of the conclusions drawn in the report are incorrect). People should be able to draw their own conclusions based on the raw data.
PmgR, Ph.D. EE
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.../...So, what have succeed to do guys like Paul Babcok, Jim Murray and Eric Dollard, in your opinion? Aren't they succeed to convert VARs in real power?
With respect to the reactive power, the famous "VARs," they are stating that the goal is to turn the reactive power into real power. The argument is that there is more reactive power than power input, and all that they have to do is convert the mysterious reactive power into real power. Now that might sound plausible to a lay person, (and they may donate) but it's not true.
One more time, this is a nonsensical proposition. It's something that can't be done, and they are trying to suggest that it can be done.
MileHigh
If one can succeed to change the phase of one the these two or both, one may be able the synchronise then and convert themm in real power.
I am not sure of the skills of this team, even if they LOOK genuine to me, but saying it is not possible because the concepts you have learnt and praticed until now say "it is not possible", is a big epistemologic jock at front at the history of Sciences, as I stated before. And if you can't agree with that, you know nothing of your domain cause you don't really know it's past.
I've not looked in for several days and I feel that I've missed out on the critique of the latest QEG report. It seems pretty much everything worthwhile has already been said. I too am dumbfounded why Jamie can't see that the I and V wave forms are almost, if not exactly, 90 degrees out of phase with each other (as one would expect to see for an LC circuit). As for the current spikes (noise) I wonder if this is due to the mechanical vibration of the core laminations. As for the double peaks in the primary current waveform, I wonder if this is not due there there being two primary windings.The specialist of Transvertor was te YouTuber Selfonlypath, based on the work of Hector Perrez. Doug Dozen knows much about too, and it is indeed to store the energy at very specific times and to free it at others.
In the UK reactive power (VAr) is very often referred to as "imaginary" power. As everybody here knows reactive power is important for balancing the grid system for power distribution but it's not possible to do work with it (in the QEG you are simply parsing energy back and forth between the primary core inductance and the capacitor bank). I was not aware that is is possible to convert "imaginary" power into "real" power as Jamie says they are working on. Can someone please enlighten me. Is the "Transverter" a real or mythical device?
Imaginary and real power are distinct. The energy that goes into a resonant tank can with appropriate circuitry later be delivered into a load. Quasi resonant and fully resonant power converters exploit that fact. I don't think that is what JR is talking about.Could you please link me to this technique of convertion of accumulated resonant power in real power?
Resonant rise can be useful, ie. if we have a very low voltage low current low power supply and we want to apply a higher power to a load intermittently, then we might use a resonant tank and apply small power input until the desired voltage or power is achieved then tap the energy in the tank so as to intermittently apply a much higher power to the load than is possible with the low power supply. However the energy in the tank will decrease suddenly and rebuild slowly.So you've said that it is possible to convert imaginary, reactive power, pure resonant, or oscillating power in real one by standard means and classic physics; very thanks for having specified.
Or when the power namely the voltage portion reaches a suitable level an attached load that requires a certain voltage with little current can be powered continuously while limiting the tanks oscillating energy. Tinsel showed this. Resonance could be useful in energy scavenging.
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There are basically two classes of switch mode power converters: Hard switching and soft switching. Hard switching converters generate trapezoidal current waveforms. Soft switching converters are resonant or quasi resonant. They switch at near zero voltage across or near zero current through the switches. Zero voltage switching is more efficient when using MOSFETs than zero current switching.Thanks for these specifications.
Yes... you are now seeing what power arcs can do as opposed to mere sparks.
You can see in the video how the commutator segments are dragging power arcs from the brushes, across several segments. This of course means that the commutator isn't interrupting properly nor addressing the coils in the proper manner or timing. It also means that material of the commutator is burning, and you will have pitting, metal erosion and deposition, and the rough surface thus presented to the brushes themselves will ruin them.
These power arcs are formed by the heavy inductances trying to remain connected as you try to disconnect them. You could try a powerful blast of compressed air onto the commutator with the hope of blowing out the arcs, but with as much inductance as you are switching even this will probably fail.
But I do like your multi-element primary spark gap. This will work much better than the QEG team's silly automotive spark plugs, even if they are platinum. Add elements for even more effectiveness. One of the very best performing stationary spark gaps I have used is an original Tesla design: it's made of six heavy and thick nickel washer-like cylinders, stacked on an insulated shaft, with a small gap between each flat cylinder face. Again, blowing with compressed air can help the effectiveness of even this gap by blowing out the spark to produce rapid fall times in the current through the inductors.
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Just one little example of releasing reactive power (stored resonant energy) as real power:
It's not the voltage that kills you... it's the current. Same goes for the commutator. After all... the power arc is essentially a low-resistance short circuit, there will be only a small voltage drop across it.
Commutator and high voltage doesn't work good. It looks like a 400 HP dc motor out of position ( Point of commutation), Probably if I change the secondary, 30 turns of ticker wire, (1/0) for example, it will work better. After that, just a step up transformer.....I don't know...just wondering....
Khwartz:MileHigh, undestand me BETTER: I am not saying that indeed in the case of these experiments it does occure and there is an infinite "source of pennis", to take your words.
As you can see I answered in my previous post. It has nothing at all to do with "concepts I have learnt." It's just basic nuts and bolts that a good kid in Grade 8 physics class could easily understand. It literally is as trivial as kids passing pennies to each other.
I know my domain reasonably well and I am 100% certain of what I am stating. Just search on "LC resonator" or "LC tank circuit" if you want to get some more information.
MileHigh
No need for a link.Very thanks for these new specifications.
For starters, to be specific and to not induce any misunderstandings, it's accumulated resonant energy, not accumulated resonant power.
1. Connect a resistor across the terminals of the capacitor.
2. Put a coil next to the tank coil and magnetically couple the two coils together. Put a resistor across the new coil.
You can think of the resistor in either case being like applying the brakes on a moving car to slow it down. To be more specific, it would be like a "damper." A damper resists with more power the faster you are moving, and likewise resists with less power the slower that you are moving. Like how a car shock absorber works. The net result in an ideal case is that the damper can never actually make the car stop moving.
MileHigh
Mile High is exactly correct. The analogy that I used before, of the little girl on a swing, should be recalled and considered. You give the little girl a slight push each cycle in time with her swinging and the amplitude of the swing increases to scary heights. Measure the maximum heights of the swing: this is your Peak-to-Peak reactive power. Do you want to extract it? Go stand in front of the swing; when it hits you, you will get all that stored energy dumped into you as real power. Do you want to use the power at a reasonable rate? Fine, you can extract it no faster than it is being resupplied by the per-cycle little pushes.TinselKoala, I do agree with you both on that point and never said the contrary. I was just going further than this and in this case all is about the possible connection to an infinite reservoir (NOT necessary in this experiment).
Bottom line: utilizing reactive power is no big deal. Utilizing it at a faster rate than it is being replaced by the input... and your resonant system will collapse.
There are various circuits out there that are suppose to convert the reactive power to real power from the rotoverter device information (you can do a search on this). The principle is one based on extracting through voltage (capacitor charging) and drawing power from them. Note that voltage is a maximum when current is at a minimum (charging interval near voltage maximum), so BEMF is minimized in terms of impact back to the source, i.e. the motor turning the generator. Also, it is desirable to extract the power from the capacitor when it is not being charged, so this is another way not to impact the source current draw.I am agree with Farhand and MileHigh that theoretically, logically, it needs a connection to an infinite reservoir to add exceeding energy in the system to be able to haverst it in a second time.
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In any case, I believe the QED may yet show OU.
Khwartz:Speak for you! If there WOULD be any true overunity, my conjecture is that it WOULD be because of a connection to an inifinite reservoir, by generation of high votage pics.
I suppose you could say it boils down to the issue of the physical QEG itself. Is it just a normal circuit or is there an infinite source of energy feeding the QEG's LC tank?
The answer is that it is a normal circuit and the concept of an infinite source of energy feeding any circuit is just a hypothetical. There is no reason to link this hypothetical with the QEG.
If someone wants to research this hypothetical concept then fine, but not with a QEG.Why?! Who are you to give orders like that?! Are you kidding?
To pitch to the world that youWhy you say "you"? "I' do not have any (true) overunity device! And not claiming to have any!
have a free energy machine like the QEG is wrong and the test results from the QEG team so far clearly show there is no over unity. They don't want to state this fact directly and instead play a game of smoke and mirrors with the results and the promises.Well, if you don't take time read my bad English, just skip my comments please, cause right at the beginning I have well state the values of the report don't give a true overunity COP but VARs under Real.
MileHigh
TinselKoala, I do agree with you both on that point and never said the contrary. I was just going further than this and in this case all is about the possible connection to an infinite reservoir (NOT necessary in this experiment).
To try to use your analogy, it would be like if when the swin reaches a certain height the girl would have time to take big fruits on the tree and gives it to someone at the lowest height. If done continously, the swin could go on indefinitely while an flow of particles, here the fruits, occurs.
Of course here the tree wouldn't be "an infinite reservoir", but the Ditac's plemun looks to be...
Yes, I get that and I agree. Dirac's plenum, I think you mean.Lol, well, as I told you, I don't know for this experiment/QEG.
But answer me this: IF such a connection could be made, in whatever manner, like using a resonant system somehow ... could a competent engineer with a 10,000 dollar oscilloscope detect the presence of the excess energy fruits in the system, over and above what conventional physics and known sources are providing?
For example, since the behavior of the QEG is fairly accurately modeled by standard circuit theory, and the measurements indicate nothing unusual happening in terms of efficiency, can we conclude that there is no connection to the Fruit Plenum?
Or would the device only be, say, 20 percent efficient without the extra fruit, and the Banana Connection boosts it to 30 percent.... so all we have to do is grab more fruit?
The main objection to the QEG saga isn't that someone wants to research something ridiculous, it is the fraudulent marketing and the outright lies and other misrepresentations made by HypeGirl and whoever else on their "team" emits information. If they had presented it as a research project, speculating about outcomes and asking for donations based on that... well, OK maybe. But that isn't what they did: they proclaimed they had a fully working design and a tested functional prototype, even stating the specific figure of 150 hours running. Everybody "assumed" that meant 150 hours running _itself_ and lighting up the usual loads. But now... some of us realize that wasn't true at all. Yet they drummed up a lot of interest and a huge amount of money. Enough money to fund me and my lab fully for the next five years, and that was just for starters. And that is what is so objectionable about their process. They are selling something they do not have and do not know how to make, while making false claims about its performance. Whether what they claim is impossible or not (it is) is really beside the point, from a mail fraud standpoint. After all, gold exists and can be mined. So will you buy some of these shares in my gold mine? If the shares aren't real or the mine isn't real or I don't have authority to sell them, you are being defrauded, even though gold itself might actually exist somewhere.TinselKoala, I think I get your point.
Khwartz:
Nope, because "reactive power" is a very poor choice of words that people are using for describing what's going on. People hear the word "power" and they think of a continuous stream of power. That leads them to thinking of converting from a continuous stream of "reactive power" into a continuous stream of real power.
The problem is there is no continuous stream of "reactive power." It's just a one-shot corresponding to the fixed amount of energy circulating back and forth in the LC tank. You use it and it's gone. You have to draw more power from the input to fill up the LC tank circuit with "reactive power" before you can supply more power to the output.
It's like this: The "reactive power" is just a middle-man, it takes input power and either stores it or passes it onto the output. The middle-man storage capacity is fixed to a certain maximum.
MileHigh
my conjecture is that it WOULD be because of a connection to an inifinite reservoir, by generation of high votage pics.
The question was: can we transform the reactive "power" (way to say), in active, real power? The answer looks to be "yes".
The main objection to the QEG saga isn't that someone wants to research something ridiculous, it is the fraudulent marketing and the outright lies and other misrepresentations made by HypeGirl and whoever else on their "team" emits information.
The schematic is somewhat confusing so i have redrawn it here.
>>>Beware of the shills here ! They are flooding these forums with crap and can be recognized
with many hundreds or thousands of deflecting and denying posts !! <<<
The "exciter" name is a bit wrong chosen, should be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupter)
When you let the Tsunami doing his job and also respect it: don't kill the dipole or harmony in mutual resonance, to keep it going in harmony with LC and Rev's, with a proper tuned Interrupter, or Thyristor.
Would be a step forward, if the shills would recognize there selves, and seeing they are just a member from another Religion / Moslim or Vatican named: http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763 (http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763)
Regards, Johan
No worries, mate. The Revolution-Green site has some pretty good information about QEG and the early days:Thanks TinselKoala for these new data.
http://revolution-green.com/
Meanwhile, fwiw, here's the operator's manual for the TDS3000 series scopes, including the TDS3054. I was hoping it had an actual image of the Probe Setup menu but it doesn't go quite that deep. This is where the probe type (current or voltage) is set and its attenuation value. They could have set Voltage x1000 and Current x10 here, and the onscreen display labels and values would then be correct. It does also show how to set the math trace to multiply the V and I traces, and it shows how to set up the Measurements to display RMS values for any trace. In other words, the manual for the scope Robitaille is using clearly explains how to use its basic and advanced features, and this manual is available for free on the internet.
Every engineer knows the meaning of the initials "RTFM". Don't they?
http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse466/07wi/labs/l2/Oscope/TDS3000Manual.pdf
But indeed when I checked about WITT demo, I thought it was a scam while the house was not powered by the system while they claimed it was working from long time, and yes, the vid could be faken with a power grid wire at the back of the blue box on the top of the bulbs panel :/
MileHigh, I personally make a definite distinction between "reactive power" in the grid sense (returning unused power) and oscillating power in a tank. Maybe they are the same electrically. But to me they are different situations.Hi Farmhand, I agree with you about the difference of configuration between in a close tank circuit and when connected to the gird.
Here's a couple of scope shots I just captured. I have a 1 Ohm CSR in series and a 1 kOhm resistive load across the capacitor, the probe grounds are together on the transformer side of the CSR the blue trace has the probe across the 1 Ohm and the yellow trace has the probe across the 1 K and capacitor the blue channel is inverted on the scope menu. Purple is the math trace Ch A x Ch B.
To me it appears that there is more power shown below the line than above it. But I'm guessing it is instrument calibration and such things.
The 1k resistor is a metal film type and the 1 Ohm is a carbon type I think.
Not easy to get right on 90 degrees with my silly FG.
Khwartz:Thanks for your comments but you've missed my point.
The damper keeps the two components that produce the power in phase. You can just Google a transformer circuit.
You talk about the "infinite reservoir tapped into by high voltage." Why high voltage? Why not medium voltage? Why not high-voltage, high-slew-rate? Why not voltage that changes exponentially? Why not high AC voltage that has an exponential decay envelope? Do you see the point? Is there any evidence that high voltage taps into an unknown source of power? Not that I am aware of. The argument that goes "anything is possible" is a hollow argument because then literally anything is possible. Why should free energy enter at high voltage? Why not have energy disappearing into the reservoir at high voltage? If a circuit is speculated to be over unity, then just as easily you can look at the last 10 circuits played with around here (like the Akula stuff) and speculate that they are actually under unity. Energy "disappears" when you run them. Why not?
Please don't confuse or reinterpret making a statement with issuing orders or being argumentative about the use of a pronoun. Or if I talk about the QEG and you respond discussing a point about one of your own statements. That's called "constructing a straw man argument."
Not in the context of what we mean when we say "reactive power" for the QEG.
The _real_ meaning of reactive power is determined by the AC impedance of the load in the context of an AC power source flowing into some kind of load. Power flows from the AC source, through the wires, and then into the load where it gets converted into something else. Power has to flow to be power. If it all flows in one direction (source to load) then it's all real power. If the power is bidirectional where power flows from a power station into an electric motor, and then half a cycle later power flows from the motor to the power station then you have a reactive power situation. The power that the motor sends to the power station did not come from the motor itself, it's just the power station's originally supplied power being kicked back by the motor. I am repeating myself here to make the point as clear as possible for the general readers.
The forums have adopted the term "reactive power" for the energy circulating back and forth in a tank circuit. That is not power that is flowing. Rather, it is a static storage of energy in two reactive components. They are not the same thing at all.
The reason the power companies don't like reactive loads is they draw extra current and that heats all of the distribution transformers up needlessly. Extra power is lost in the transformers and the wires for nothing. It also makes the load on the generators in the generating station irregular, and they don't want that. You don't want energy from reactive loads circulating all over the electrical grid, it's simply not good. I am not an expert on this stuff (power distribution and how they balance the grid), so these points are just about the general principles at play.
Even in the case of AC power distribution, the reactive power circulating in the power lines is NOT "extra power that you can convert into real power and get over unity." The reactive power comes from the real power that was supplied by the generating station one-half cycle before in the sine wave. It's nothing more than the power the generating station output being thrown right back at the generating station. Reactive power is just temporally borrowed real power that came from the AC power source. Likewise the "reactive power" in the QEG primary tank is just stored energy that came from the external power source.
In other words, there is no "new power" that can come from reactive power associated with AC mains power distribution, or from the "reactive power" circulating in the primary LC tank circuit in the QEG.
I am writing this all out in detail so the lurkers from the Be-Do forum and all of the QEG replication groups and the QEG team itself can absorb and understand this information. If any lurkers have questions I am sure myself and other people around here can try to answer them. At this point you should all understand that the power conversion proposal from James to convert the "VARs" in the QEG primary resonant tank into real output power will not work because it simply does not work like that. They are proposing converting "reactive watts" into "real watts" and this is WRONG. It's not "reactive watts" it's reactive joules. You can't convert reactive joules into real watts. This reality has to be made abundantly clear to James.
The energy circulating in the QEC primary tank is like an "inflatable balloon" of energy. When you "convert VARs to real power" you deflate the balloon (filled with joules) and that's it, you are done. The resonant tank circuit empties and the resonance is killed or is rendered very feeble. The input power source (the spinning rotor) has to reinflate the balloon before you can even think about outputting real power into a load again.
Finally, just for the sake of completeness: Power can indeed flow though a circuit with a resonant LC tank circuit. Here is an example: An AC power supply outputs 5 watts of power. The five watts of power flow though the resonant tank, then get coupled to a secondary transformer winding, and then the 5 watts of power flow out of the secondary and then flow into the load. While this power flow is happening, at the same time the resonant tank circuit is storing 12 joules of energy. That very simple example can also be scaled up and apply to the QEG.
MileHigh
TK:I challenge you: if I bring you a problem about electricity, a result in an experiment you're not able to explain, will you pay 2.000 € for having denigrate my conjecture while indeed you know nothing of the history of the electrical knowledge to the point you can't recognise that near any fundamental progress have been made against the current "well educated in the domain" of the time?
The objection that it simply won't work is equally valid. What's implicit is the rejection of the argument that "anything is possible, you simply don't know." It's an argument used ad nauseum around here. "Laws are made to be broken, etc." Nobody says to a civil engineer, "Your equations for the minimum girder size in a 40-story office building might not actually be true."
It really won't work because we know how circuits work, and the QEG is just a circuit. We _know_ that the differential equations for the components work, and we know how to put the circuit into a matrix - a linear network, and solve for all the voltage nodes and current loops in the circuit. We _know_ this and we have to stand by it.
Questioning the understanding of how the QEG works and challenging it with the "anything is possible" argument is tantamount to telling a civil engineer he might be wrong about his girder size for the same reason, "anything is possible."
This is _not_ being closed minded. It's actually being open minded and it's about being willing to accept basic principles about matter and energy. The ones being closed minded are the ones that say, "I don't believe a capacitor is just a capacitor, anything is possible."
MileHigh
Albert, perhaps this will make things even simpler than MileHigh has already explained:100 % agree with this; except that IF my conjecture is true, we could use the building of the resonance to produce high pics voltage to break the stability of the Dirac's plenum and haverst exceeding energy; NOT BECAUSE OF THE REACTIVE ENERGY STORED IN THE TANK, but because of the "HARMONIC BUILDING" of high voltage pics.
Reactive energy is energy that is stored. Reactive power is the rate at which energy is moved into and out of an energy store. Resonant circuits shuttle electrical energy between electrostatic potentials: charge stored in a capacitor, and magnetic potentials: the magnetic field surrounding current. A resonant circuit that has a high quality factor: Q, loses only a small fraction of the stored energy on each cycle from maximum voltage across the capacitor to maximum current through the circuit and back to maximum voltage across the capacitor. Such high Q networks can collect up a lot of energy a little bit at a time. All energy that is directed into a resonant network from some source is energy that is not applied to a useful load. If the network is high Q then most but never all of the energy diverted into the resonant network is available to return to the source or perform useful work.
Reactive components and resonant networks made from reactive components:
Store energy.
Dissipate some energy.
Can build up very high voltages and/or currents.
Can release their stored energy at much higher instantaneous power levels than the energy was input, or vice-versa.
Do not create energy.
Do not amplify energy ( same as saying they don't create energy ).
TinselKoala
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To try to use your analogy, it would be like if when the swin reaches a certain height the girl would have time to take big fruits on the tree and gives it to someone at the lowest height. If done continously, the swin could go on indefinitely while an flow of particles, here the fruits, occurs.
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100 % agree with this; except that IF my conjecture is true, we could use the building of the resonance to produce high pics voltage to break the stability of the Dirac's plenum and haverst exceeding energy; NOT BECAUSE OF THE REACTIVE ENERGY STORED IN THE TANK, but because of the "HARMONIC BUILDING" of high voltage pics.Something demonstrable that supports the idea would go a long way towards moving the idea out of the realm of imagination.
But nevermind: to do is better than to discuss, at this point imo.
So see you all in around if I succeed to have anything factual, observable, to present you all here ;) I will probably continue to follow what is going on around but will do need to economise my time if I want to run any experiments, so stop to comment.
I have said for my part all I had to say here and in other threads, so nobody will be fully surprised if I come back "with something"; otherwise, it will be just an other "megalomaniac" from around; any I am, not you? ;)
Cheers.
Now the components of the QEG hve all been researched and have been known for ages. There is however a possibility that a new combination of components may lead to a discovery.
There are various circuits out there that are suppose to convert the reactive power to real power from the rotoverter device information (you can do a search on this). The principle is one based on extracting through voltage (capacitor charging) and drawing power from them. Note that voltage is a maximum when current is at a minimum (charging interval near voltage maximum), so BEMF is minimized in terms of impact back to the source, i.e. the motor turning the generator. Also, it is desirable to extract the power from the capacitor when it is not being charged, so this is another way not to impact the source current draw.
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In any case, I believe the QED may yet show OU.
The main objection to the QEG saga isn't that someone wants to research something ridiculous, it is the fraudulent marketing and the outright lies and other misrepresentations made by HypeGirl and whoever else on their "team" emits information. If they had presented it as a research project, speculating about outcomes and asking for donations based on that... well, OK maybe. But that isn't what they did: they proclaimed they had a fully working design and a tested functional prototype, even stating the specific figure of 150 hours running. Everybody "assumed" that meant 150 hours running _itself_ and lighting up the usual loads. But now... some of us realize that wasn't true at all. Yet they drummed up a lot of interest and a huge amount of money. Enough money to fund me and my lab fully for the next five years, and that was just for starters. And that is what is so objectionable about their process. They are selling something they do not have and do not know how to make, while making false claims about its performance. Whether what they claim is impossible or not (it is) is really beside the point, from a mail fraud standpoint. After all, gold exists and can be mined. So will you buy some of these shares in my gold mine? If the shares aren't real or the mine isn't real or I don't have authority to sell them, you are being defrauded, even though gold itself might actually exist somewhere.
The reason the power companies don't like reactive loads is they draw extra current and that heats all of the distribution transformers up needlessly. Extra power is lost in the transformers and the wires for nothing. It also makes the load on the generators in the generating station irregular, and they don't want that. You don't want energy from reactive loads circulating all over the electrical grid, it's simply not good. I am not an expert on this stuff (power distribution and how they balance the grid), so these points are just about the general principles at play.
There are a handful of QEG clips out there where they achieve resonance and the light bulb array lights up. You notice in all the clips when the light bulbs light up the QEG makes a groaning sound. That groaning sound is parts in the QEG responding to the new internal mechanical stress it is experiencing because of the back torque. There is a decent chance the individual arms of the rotor are vibrating like tuning forks because of this stress. That might be just one component in the groaning sound, if it is happening at all. No matter what is actually happening to create the groaning sound, the groaning sound itself is due to mechanical stresses in the QEG.
@MileHighNo, the problem is as MileHigh states it. Suppose you have a 0.1 PowerFactor, the VA product is basically 10X the real power. The 10X current flows back and forth between the reactive load and the power company's equipment heating everything along the way. Many power utilities bill industrial customers extra for low power factor loads and/or require them to install power factor correctors.
I studied the power grid in gory detail as part of my degree, but that was many moon ago. I think the main thing is if you have inductive loads, like motors or other devices with none unit power factor like refrigerators, you have to balance that out somehow else the voltage will not stay at its nominal value say 240V (vector addition thing). They can do this several ways. You can add capacitance to the grid. In the UK there is a parallel set of transmission lines running the length of the county. They can switch those into the network to add capacitance. Another way is for some power plants to generate reactive power. They use hydro generation in Wales to produce reactive power at key times when its needed. They can turn it on and off quickly as required. The power grid is actually surprising complicated. Don't now how they manage things in the US.
@MarkE
No, the problem is as MileHigh states it. Suppose you have a 0.1 PowerFactor, the VA product is basically 10X the real power. The 10X current flows back and forth between the reactive load and the power company's equipment heating everything along the way. Many power utilities bill industrial customers extra for low power factor loads and/or require them to install power factor correctors.
@MileHIgh
And your best-case scenario presumably is to have a frequency match between the primary LC tank circuit and the mechanical core resonance.
Why don't you just name the shills,Would be great if they could stand up!
and who is paying them ?Do you know, maybe only ego/arm works, no idea YOU?
Then someone can sue you for libel if they choose.There choice, make my day!
No one is fully anonymous, if legal action is taken the site administrators must provide user details if the correct legal procedures are followed. It happens .Would be great, that nagging about every other from there arm-chair, but safe and easy hidden!?
So man up and name names. Or not. Whatever.So maybe nickname's should be banned, me you can find easy, why there fear, maybe most are stealing time from there boring job-Time, who nows!?
We can say Hope girl is a scammer because it is obviously true. Nothing she can do about the truth being uttered.Thats clear and easy, but why not more builders, almost writing more than real-only marketing people, to defend but what ................ ?
Nothing to fear if there is clear evidence, no need to be coy.Thats a good question: Why they have to write so bad over others, safe behind a nicky without own works or proof, just typing and typing new kind of ee, eee, ieee Bible's?
That document refers to reactive current that the utility must absorb and release in order to keep the grid voltage stable in the face of reactive user loads.
NO THE PROBLEM IS YOU NEED REACTIVE POWER IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN VOLTAGE LEVELS ON THE GRID. You missed the point entirely. You can not delivery real power with out reactive power. Industrial users are not billed in Watts but VA (apparent power) . Industrial users are incentivized to correct their power factor else they pay more like you say. Home users do not get penalized but with millions of homes with refrigeraters and other inductive loads this places an aggregated burden on the grid system. You might want to read up on it some time before saying I'm wrong! At least think before going off half cocked. But I see from the multitude of posts you make that that is not your style.
Here's a place you might like to start.
http://www2.nationalgrid.com/uk/services/balancing-services/reactive-power-services/ (http://www2.nationalgrid.com/uk/services/balancing-services/reactive-power-services/)
NO THE PROBLEM IS YOU NEED REACTIVE POWER IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN VOLTAGE LEVELS ON THE GRID.Is at best imprecise. The network must not collapse in the face of reactive loads. That means that the network must absorb reactive customer currents. A network that is completely non reactive and which has a suitably low, only real impedance can do that.
You can not delivery real power with out reactive power.Is simply and completely wrong. An ideal transmission network appears completely resistive. Uncompensated reactive loads are a practical matter that increase the burden on transmission networks. Transmission networks have to put up reactive loads. Reactive currents are not necessary and are undesirable. They are tolerated.
Would be great if they could stand up!The Leyden jar demonstration is very simple: The charge and energy is stored across the dielectric of the beaker walls. The conductive cups carry the charge in the external circuit.
Do you know, maybe only ego/arm works, no idea YOU?
There choice, make my day!
Would be great, that nagging about every other from there arm-chair, but safe and easy hidden!?
So maybe nickname's should be banned, me you can find easy, why there fear, maybe most are stealing time from there boring job-Time, who nows!?
Thats clear and easy, but why not more builders, almost writing more than real-only marketing people, to defend but what ................ ?
Thats a good question: Why they have to write so bad over others, safe behind a nicky without own works or proof, just typing and typing new kind of ee, eee, ieee Bible's?
Would be nice to understand this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckpQW9sdUg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckpQW9sdUg)
Regards, Johan
(snip)
I just Googled "resonant transformer ring" and came up with this interesting snipet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_inductive_coupling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_inductive_coupling) Lots of Tesla references.
Electromechanical resonance is not new. It was discovered 130 years ago by Nikola Tesla and was subsequently locked down to ensure profitability for the electric ‘utility’ companies. Although most of Tesla’s patents have since resurfaced, resonance is not utilized in any of our energy systems today and most people are not even aware of this raw power providing phenomenon….UNTIL NOW.(sic)
Thanks to the opensourcing of the QEG technology provided by FTW, and the brave souls who have embarked on this journey of re-creating and demonstrating Tesla’s concept to the public, the information is finally out and shows that we can create raw power without the control of the energy industry. Even now history is repeating itself and many are attempting to suppress Tesla’s technology by discrediting the QEG. (more to come on this in a follow up blogpost)
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In this “Morocco has Resonance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7--G5qSDag#t=22)” video, you can hear the cheering voices of the people who have a deep understanding that what they are witnessing is the ability to create their own raw power without the energy industry. It is a joyful cry of freedom. Almost 80 people from 24 countries attended the Morocco QEG build that was donated and opened to the public by FTW.
It is imperative to mention that the people who showed up at the public QEG build where of the highest professional caliber: physicists, and electical engineers from several of the top leading industries. All were there to volunteer their time and talent to the mission of the project of bringing this free energy to the world.
How are these people able to emit such utter crap, garbage and lies, while asking people to give them money???
(sic)
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/)
Astounding.
As we know resonance is simply a way to store large amounts of energy a little bit at a time over some extended period of time. As they found out when the QEG primary shorted, left unchecked you can build up very large amounts of energy.. Since it takes a while to build up the energy in the reservoir, I guess you could draw some of it out, but you are never going to get more out then you put in, place you have all that mechanical vibration to feed. These guys have no understanding of physics at all. I could not believe hopGirl's last funding announcement that they had achieved overunity in VArs. They are simply measuring the stored energy in the reservoir. They are ignoring the Watt seconds it took to put it there.
@MarkELOL Don't take any wooden PFCs.
We are talking about grid systems. I'm not going to waste my time responding to you. You clearly have a very limited understanding of electricity and ac power. I very much doubt your have an engineering degree, and if you do your grades were probably extremely bad.
PCB
LOL Don't take any wooden PFCs.
If you don't know, then you might just get stuck with one.
Just having a bit of fun. What's a wooden PFC?
@MarkE
We are talking about grid systems. I'm not going to waste my time responding to you. You clearly have a very limited understanding of electricity and ac power. I very much doubt your have an engineering degree, and if you do your grades were probably extremely bad.
PCB
Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1346 on: Today at 03:41:09 AM »
QuoteQuoteQuote from: PCB on June 02, 2014, 07:53:06 PM
@MarkE
We are talking about grid systems. I'm not going to waste my time responding to you. You clearly have a very limited understanding of electricity and ac power. I very much doubt your have an engineering degree, and if you do your grades were probably extremely bad.
PCB
Spoken like a noob. Oh wait, it says "Newbie" under your name. Makes perfect sense now.
Bill
I'm sorry Mark, I have been an advocate for this group. But there is no defending this comment by Bill ,so why are you. But I will not judge the entire group based on a bad choice of words of one. Unless others follow in his beliefs that newbies are other than new to to your forum.Angelic, if you want to know what PirateBill believes, I suggest that you ask him.
You are right, and tirade right again. My wife said the same thing yesterday afternoon. Running out of Ambein days before your refill date can do that. Please accept my appliqué’s. good night I hope.The good thing about running out of Ambien is that you can pick up a new prescription from the drive through at Walgreen's at 3:00am without ever waking up.
You are talking about myself and other people when you talk about shills and banning people.If you nag about religion, you hurt people like me and for sure Luc, chicken safe behind anonime!
Your comments are unacceptable.Your one's a high science?
Do you have any technical points to make to disagree with what I and others are saying?Did make them!
The only thing we should be hearing from you is a discussion about the QEG project.So why you about Hope and team personal?
Take a look at this link: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/409-major-breakthrough-overunity-demonstrated (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/409-major-breakthrough-overunity-demonstrated)Wise from Stefan: Lets see Jim and Paul, cop20 in Heat, would be nice for every! U2 good band!;-))
You see the title of the thread, "Major Breakthrough: Overunity Demonstrated." There is a big problem Johan, the title of that thread is a LIE, even their own measurements show that it is a LIE.Your complete and RIGHT in this!
Don't give me any more of your crap where you attempt to impugn my character and impugn the character of others around here.Would chance my attitude if I was you, if you talk about crap, than who is ................ ??
BEFORE:
--- QUOTE (HopeGirl on 02/20/2014) ---
Most of the entire research and development process is complete, the only thing we have left to do is the careful write up of the plans for opensourcing.
[...]
The instructions will be complete and correct. For the experienced engineer who should choose to follow them carefully they will produce a safe working product.
--- UNQUOTE ---
--- QUOTE (HopeGirl on 03/25/2014) ---
Our Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) provides 10KW of power output for less than 1KW input, which it supplies to itself.
[...]
We’ve open sourced a full set of instructions, user manual, schematics and parts list for any engineer to follow and reproduce the same results.
--- UNQUOTE ---
AFTER:
--- QUOTE (Sterling Allan interview on 04/03/2014) ---
Sterling Allan: Have you actually run it through an inverter and self-looped it yourself?
James Robitaille: No, we haven't done that yet. We didn't have the inverter.
--- UNQUOTE ---
--- QUOTE (James Robitaille on 05/08/2014) ---
Apparently some groups and individuals were expecting a completely finished product to be delivered into their hands, with nothing left to do. We have always said that as soon as we got the basic resonance from the machine, we would open source all the information we had, and that’s what we’ve done. The intent was to co-develop the machine in an open source platform [...].
--- UNQUOTE ---
Retroactively changing a story massively undermines credibility. Another example:
BEFORE:
--- QUOTE (HopeGirl on 01/27/2014) ---
The inventor of the QEG is my stepfather James Robitaille.
--- UNQUOTE ---
--- QUOTE (FTW QEG Consulting) ---
James Robitaille, the QEG inventor will be available for technical consulting [...].
--- UNQUOTE ---
AFTER:
--- QUOTE (Valerie Robitaille on 04/20/2014) ---
This is not Jamie's invention, this is only Jamie kicking the door open, so that people can have it. Because this company [WITTS] wouldn't do it any way that people could have it. If you wanna buy this generator from them, they charge you a 100,000 dollars. I know, it's really quite a price. So we're just trying to make it accessible, really. Jamie took one class with Sir Timothy Thrapp and they said that they were gonna give us all this information. They gave us a piece of paper drawn like, you know, a very juvenile drawing.
--- UNQUOTE ---
Another issue that upsetted many technically inclined people:
Why are there two completely different Tesla patents (No. 390,414, titled "Dynamo-Electric Machine", from 1888, and No. 511,916, titled "Electric Generator", from 1894) given in different places (the Fix-the-World website and the QEG manual) as the foundation for the QEG? A technical analysis of these patents show that both are ordinary electrical machines, which have nothing to do with free energy or overunity in general and (nearly) nothing with the QEG in particular. It is quite obvious that the QEG team searched for a suitable Tesla patent for marketing purposes *after* they came up with the QEG and had difficulties deciding which one to use, because they couldn't find a really appropriate one.
Concerning transparency:
--- QUOTE (HopeGirl on 06/15/2013) ---
At the Fix the World Organization, we are pioneering a new paradigm way of doing business. Part of this is complete transparency, and we wish to be the example that other organizations can follow.
--- UNQUOTE ---
--- QUOTE (HopeGirl on 09/10/2013) ---
To reiterate: transparency is key, and we continue to set all before you.
--- UNQUOTE ---
--- QUOTE (HopeGirl on 09/10/2013) ---
[W]e are presenting this information in a completely transparent manner. We are letting everyone know up front exactly what has been lined up. No more secrets.
--- UNQUOTE ---
The actual behaviour massively contradicts these promises. There is still nearly no technical information available about the original prototype and the Taiwanese QEG, and only very meager information about the Moroccan QEG. Especially the "Morocco QEG -- May 2014 Test and Measurement Report" was very disappointing in this regard.
--- QUOTE (HopeGirl on 05/25/2014) ---
We know you have been eagerly and excitedly waiting for data and here it is in template form.
--- UNQUOTE ---
This sentence is a contradiction in itself. It is equivalent to: "We know you have been eagerly and excitedly waiting for payment and here you have a piggybank."
--- QUOTE (James Robitaille on 05/08/2014) ---
How close are we to overunity? Well, here in Morocco, we are very close, within about 200 Watts (800 Watts out for 1000 Watts in at this point in development).
--- UNQUOTE ---
This corresponds to 80% efficiency. But the attached table contains only measurements with efficiencies around 35%. This is not transparency. This creates doubt and mistrust.
Probably the most problematic issue is the overunity claim based on the Dave Starbuck article and the corresponding video. As many competent people have already pointed out, the output power calculation used for the overunity claim is just plain wrong. All relevant scope readings are clearly visible at certain points of the video. The setup (as far as it is relevant for the measurement) is sufficiently known for those following the project for some time. The output power is calculated based on peak-to-peak values for voltage and current. This is a fundamental mistake, and makes no sense in any way.
To get to an even remotely accurate output power value (assuming neglectible phase shift, which seems appropriate based on the scope readings), it is neccessary to determine the RMS values for voltage and current. Assuming sine waveforms (which, again, seems appropriate based on the scope readings) the RMS values equal the respective peak-to-peak value divided by 2*squareroot(2). This is basic electrical engineering knowledge. Since voltage and current are multiplied afterwards to determine power, the resulting factor is (2*squareroot(2))^2 = 8. This means the alleged "overunity" output power value in the video is too high by a factor of 8. The actual, practically usable output power in the video equals 1900 W / 8 = about 238 W. At 655 W input power this is way underunity and corresponds to an efficiency of about 36%. This is a credible value, and remarkably similar to the values in the table published on May 10th.
The recently stated even higher power values ("..., 13,326, even 28,000 Watts") are seemingly measured in the primary tank circuit. This doesn't make sense. This is a single "energy packet" circulating between the coils and the capacitors. This isn't usable output power. Trying to take this power out (more than what is added at each oscillation -- which obviously corresponds approximately to what is available on the secondary side) will lead to a breakdown of resonance. It is absolutely irresponsible to publish such values without having ensured that this is actually available output power (which it isn't, as any practical attempt will prove).
Is the intense criticism really surprising?
So perhaps the whole issue devolves down to the well-known lack of a "sarcasm" or "irony" tag. Since you clearly must be aware of MarkE's evident expertise through your long lurking. Unless your visits have just been infrequent until lately.
Johann:
Are you aware of this:
http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html (http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html)
Perhaps you can explain how people can legally offer for sale, that which they do not themselves possess.
A poster called Carl Cunningham made this collection of QEG quotes for Revolution-Green; I hope nobody minds my reproducing it here.
(Thanks, Carl, for pulling all that together with the dates. )
Also, Johann ... was gibt es dann?
The Leyden jar demonstration is very simple: The charge and energy is stored across the dielectric of the beaker walls. The conductive cups carry the charge in the external circuit.
Hi Mark,The Pyrex beaker is safer to work with, but you can prove to yourself that the theory is correct by using a sheet of glass or plexiglass and sheet metal for the conductors. You can do experiments where you use small squares (or any other shape) of metal to draw charge from or deposit charge onto localized areas of the sheet. This sort of thing is routinely done in circuit boards that use exotic high capacitance dielectrics. It is called singulation.
Thanks and sorry, did miss your reply! Thats what we did learn in our prog. camps, meaning we to here in EU! Not knowing where you are!?
My idea feeling and only half prove out old books (Vedi), its more like the earth, core, sphere around, kind off cold plasma state on the suface of the sphere, ionosphere above. So thinking, would be nice if we could see the charged glass, between the cups but wider apart, if there is also a aura around? You any idea?
Sorry, for off topic!!
Regards, Johan
Hi,No that is not true. Many things can be analyzed adequately on the back of a napkin. Others require more detailed analysis to resolve. Few things require physical experiments to prove that the status quo is correct. It is always the burden of those making an extraordinary claim to produce evidence commensurate to the claim.
guys seriosly, so far i dont see any real test about QEG.
Lot of people here have laboratory grade eqipment at home and just flame here and argue about nothing.
Is realy so hard for you to make small scale replica and test it? Maybe it work maybe not.
But you cannot claim stuff until you realy test it.
Magnetostriction is well understood. FTW have not shown any unusual behavior from magnetostriction.
Just think about it, vibrating laminted steel shout not produce so much electricity at all acording current physics !!!!
I do: It doesn't.
Can it produce more energy then consume? Who knows?
It isn't.
I am not telling that QEG "hope girl" team have full funcional OU device. Probably they are bunch of fakers. But still idea may be usable.
that has been circulated. It's crap.
btw, i found new joke from them : https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-june-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v2-011.pdf
Regards
No that is not true. Many things can be analyzed adequately on the back of a napkin. Others require more detailed analysis to resolve. Few things require physical experiments to prove that the status quo is correct. It is always the burden of those making an extraordinary claim to produce evidence commensurate to the claim.Magnetostriction is well understood. FTW have not shown any unusual behavior from magnetostriction.I do: It doesn't.It isn't.that has been circulated. It's crap.
"Magnetostriction (cf. electrostriction) is a property of ferromagnetic materials that causes them to change their shape or dimensions during the process of magnetization." ....Magnetostriction also occurs in non ferromagnetic materials when they carry current perpendicular to a magnetic field. There are any number of loudspeaker designs that capitalize on that fact.
Durning rotation core dont change shape.
I know. Don't believe me? Come up with evidence that I am wrong and that FTW's contraption can ever generate surplus energy.
You know? How? Looks like you just read somethnig somewhere .... between thnikning and knowing is big diference.
Again you claiming somethnig without any proof. You act absolutly same like "hope girl" team.You are victimizing yourself with the fallacy that the known and ordinary are equally likely as the unknown and extraordinary. Our vast experience that has led to the formulation of First Principles tells us that there is no energy surplus to be had. That has been confirmed with countless experiments on other machines and FTW's experiments on their own contraptions.
"Magnetostriction (cf. electrostriction) is a property of ferromagnetic materials that causes them to change their shape or dimensions during the process of magnetization." ....
Durning rotation core dont change shape.
You know? How? Looks like you just read somethnig somewhere .... between thnikning and knowing is big diference.
Again you claiming somethnig without any proof. You act absolutly same like "hope girl" team.
News from HopeGirl about Trolls and Debunkers:
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/)
News from HopeGirl about Trolls and Debunkers:
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/)
News from HopeGirl about Trolls and Debunkers:I think they are going to claim persecution and quietly disappear from the scene, writing is on the wall based on this posting.
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/)
Messages such as the latest from Fraud Girl are common among charlatans. Believers are told that they are the victims of an external plot and so need to band together under the guidance of the leadership. Such techniques can be very effective.
Fraud Girl is particularly unhappy that a former member of their ranks is supposedly speaking against them.
As far as the "newb" label and that whole discussion.... I think the stimulus was when a poster, identified as a "newbie" due to low post count and recent join-up date, poked some fun at MarkE, who indeed is one of the most knowledgeable and evidently well-educated EE-type critical posters around. Then Bill pointed out in his post that perhaps a newcomer might not be fully acquainted with MarkE's level of experience and qualifications. That's all there is to that. If MarkE isn't ruffled by someone calling him ignorant about EE topics when that's false, why should someone else get ruffled about being called a newbie when that's true?
News from HopeGirl about Trolls and Debunkers:
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/)
Whow this really is a subculture thing looking at the myriad of posting and videos. She certainly has a real talent for promotion! I also suspect she is beating Jamie with a stick to make the bloody thing work. "don't you know my reputation is on the line god dammit!" He was looking a bit stressed in the latest photos. Oh know I'm a troll!
MarkE who is this person? Perhaps you can PM me if you do not want to say publicly, I assume that's possible on this forum.Fraud Girl has not named the person. She complained bitterly about them in the cited blather.
There are forums that are run by self-proclaimed free energy experts. One of these individuals attended a QEG build and offered to help the project. They arrived at the build, slept most of the time, showed erratic behavior, provoked arguments and stole public QEG money from the project. This person publically claims to be on the FTW QEG team and is now running a forum that is trying to discredit the QEG. On one given day we will get communications from them stating that they will “make the QEG family’s lives a living hell”, and then on the next day we get love notes from them. It has been discovered that this individual suffers from a severe form of mental illness.
...
Likewise, one of the original QEG prototype designers is engaging in similar behavior towards FTW. It is like a War of the Currents all over again, only this time it’s on the Internet.
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Some folks here might find of this earlier request for money interesting:Well as you may or may not be aware SEGs are subject to spontaneous launches into deep space as well as seizure by the evil Powers That Be. Just ask John Searl!
http://cultureofawareness.com/2013/07/20/hopegirl-urgent-plea-for-help/ (http://cultureofawareness.com/2013/07/20/hopegirl-urgent-plea-for-help/)
She has been at this for some time:
http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/we-did-it-power-to-the-people-free-energy-is-on-the-way/ (http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/we-did-it-power-to-the-people-free-energy-is-on-the-way/) 15 KW generator not the QEG. What ever happened to this one?
Shame she did not bother to get an engineering degree, but that would have gotten in the way anyway.
Whow this really is a subculture thing looking at the myriad of posting and videos. She certainly has a real talent for promotion! I also suspect she is beating Jamie with a stick to make the bloody thing work. "don't you know my reputation is on the line god dammit!" He was looking a bit stressed in the latest photos. Oh know I'm a troll!
Bingo! 100% correct and totally right on. EXACTLY what I meant. I have nothing to add to your words TK as this was almost word for word my response.After 5 1/2 years as a noob I just got promoted to Jr. Member. Celebrating with a beer. Obviously got the posting bug which will be surely be cured when the QEG dies its eventual death.
Thanks,
Bill
After 5 1/2 years as a noob I just got promoted to Jr. Member. Celebrating with a beer. Obviously got the posting bug which will be surely be cured when the QEG dies its eventual death.
@MileHigh
Nice find! I highlighted this issue several pages ago (though not as thoroughly), but this is at least scripted in terms of some calcs. With effort you can probably calculate where all the input energy is going given some of the other areas of loss previously identified.
When the QEG gig crashes and burns hop Girl we simply glum onto the next free energy invention. This could be a real business opportunity for a talented and motivated builder here from this forum. It does not have to actually work, just spin some electrons. You know you will have the support of this forum until the trolls wake up and beat you with the club of truth.
If one of their donors complains I wonder if this would be considered mail fraud? I might be a bit worried if I were them.
FTW has freely created this video with the QEG engineering artist James Robitaille exemplifying how overunity is measured in the QEG. The cost of the equipment needed to test the power in the QEG core and provide these measurements and the accompanying report would be nearly $75,000, and was lovingly lent to the project so that we could show these measurements freely to the people.
No matter how I add those items up I don't get anywhere near 75,000 dollars. Maybe I should be using peak-to-peak values.....
Haha, whats the RMS of 75,000 dollars peak to peak ?$600,000.
We have Artists and Engineers here, but do we have any Engineering Artists ?
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For those that are contemplating a donation, the time is now, see with your heart the intention behind this movement and lend it your support. I know there can be some doubts when the QEG is not completely proven itself yet but what is needed now is momentum.. Even if the QEG doesn't work as originally intended this momentum will help us to see that free energy is given to the people, where it rightfully belongs.
HopeGirl speaks!
http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG (http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG)
"For those that are contemplating a donation, the [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important][size=16px !important]time is now[/color], see with your heart the intention behind this movement and lend it your support. I know there can be some doubts when the QEG is not completely proven itself yet but what is needed now is momentum.. Even if the QEG doesn't work as originally intended this momentum will help us to see that [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important][size=16px !important]free energy[/color][/size] is given to the people, where it rightfully belongs."[/font][/size]
The wheels of contemplation are grinding loudly--no, wait, now we hear sirens. Don't worry about the doubts, they will resolve to certainty, but not the kind you were "hoping" for. [/size]
HopeGirl speaks!
http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG (http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG)
You said that it worked months ago HopeGirl. Now that there is doubt, the burden is on you and Jamie to really prove it to the believers. When you can't prove it you should stop all funding and every single PayPal account or other funding mechanism that you are using to finance this road show should be suspended by you personally. Whatever money you have left over should be given back proportionally to all the people.
MileHigh
This QEG interacts with quantum energy factors in the local environment and can have effects on people in the immediate vicinity up to about 50m away. Effects can be catastrophic. One builder has already suffered massive tissue damage from a high voltage, high current, low frequency, electrical arc that struck without warning from one of the QEGs. In other cases, fires have erupted spontaneously in other electrical circuits (that are not even connected physically) when it has been in an unbalanced state – the actual tuning and balancing of which can take weeks and which the ‘Fix The World’ group does not appear to appreciate. Other effects are less catastrophic, but still concerning. For example, anything containing microcircuits in the immediate vicinity, can be rendered inoperative. Permanently. It is also possible for people who are exposed to unbalanced QE fields, to become contaminated to the point that wherever they go, they will cause failures in electrical devices in their immediate vicinity – including the computers in cars that they travel in. ALL FREE ENERGY DEVICES – INCLUDING OTHERS NOT ON THIS SITE – HAVE DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS ON ELECTRONICS AND ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS AROUND THEM."
In a historical event unlike any other, a free energy device was crowdfunded and open sourced. Then one was donated to an impoverished village in Morocco. The Morocco QEG build was made open to the public with an invitation to anyone who was interested to come and learn how to build a QEG. Close to 80 people from 24 different countries showed up in the little village of Aouchtam Morocco for this unique event which was hosted thanks to the hard work of some of our best friends and fellow truth movement bloggers. Those attending where some of the highest caliber engineers and physicists on the planet. This is what happens when you open source and give away technology! Below is a beautiful recalling of the experience of the QEG in Morocco written by our friend and future blogger Mel B. It begins here in England where the FTW family is busy preparing for our next build and 3rd phase completion of the project. Thank you Mel for capturing the true essence of the miracles that unfolded in Morocco during this unprecedented time in our human history!
-Hope
In a historical event unlike any other, a non-working free energy device was crowdfunded and open sourced. Then rather than pay shipping or disposal fees, we foisted the junk on an impoverished village in Morocco. Now they have a resonant boat anchor! The Morocco QEG build was made open to the public with an invitation to anyone who was interested to come and learn how to place money in our collection basket and build a boat anchor of their own. Close to 80 people from 24 different countries showed up in the little village of Aouchtam Morocco for this unique event which was hosted thanks to the hard work of some of our best friends and fellow truth movement bloggers, otherwise known as gullible donors. Those attending where some of the highest caliber engineers and physicists on the planet who have ever suffered massive head trauma. This is what happens when you open source and give away technology in a back alley! Below is a beautiful recalling of the experience of the QEG in Morocco written by our friend and future electroshock patient Mel B. It begins here in England where the FTW family is busy preparing for our next build and 3rd phase of filling our travel coffers. Thank you Mel for capturing the true essence of the community spirit that unfolded in Morocco: donors folded their money and we unfolded it!
-Hoping to Take Your Cash for My Stash Girl
The "QEG Morocco Overunity" clip on the Be-Do YouTube channel is where there was a lively small debate in the comments section where the values were converted into RMS values and it was proven that in fact the QEG was under unity and the performance was very poor. This clip is the same clip that HopeGirl released on her YouTube channel with comments disabled.
All of the comments have been deleted and comments are now disabled on the Be-Do clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0)
The "QEG Morocco Overunity" clip on the Be-Do YouTube channel is where there was a lively small debate in the comments section where the values were converted into RMS values and it was proven that in fact the QEG was under unity and the performance was very poor. This clip is the same clip that HopeGirl released on her YouTube channel with comments disabled.The word for that is: scienter.
All of the comments have been deleted and comments are now disabled on the Be-Do clip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0
Yes, I think you are being way too kind. At this point: James knows that his step daughter has been telling whopper lies for months. Despite that, he has decided to continue to participate in this charade.
Interesting, Jamie I think points out that these are peak values, I hear the word rms spoken but rest is garbled. He goes on to say it's putting more power out than yesterday, then later some guy shouts "overunity, overunity" and Jamie's response is ya! (said in a away that translated says what the f*uck are you talking about). He fiddles with the scope to presumably measure the power output so he knows that his machine is working at around 38% efficiency. I think Jamie is not one of those guys that will ever correct you no matter what you say. Am I being too kind here?
James knows that his step daughter has been telling whopper lies for months. Despite that, he has decided to continue to participate in this charade.
...But it is his daughter, so he really tries...still clinging to the hope, that maybe a fairy is coming along granting him his wishes...
PIH123:
I reluctantly looked and I did not see anything disconcerting about Bill Feagin. He wore a kilt? So what? It's totally inappropriate on your part to do things like that. Bill seems like a perfectly decent guy from looking at the pictures. More importantly, Bill Feagin and his thoughts and activities aren't relevant to the QEG.
I think that could probably be the one reason, why he continues. His daughter is way too much involved, and maybe he tries to protect her by playing along...not realizing that this makes the whole story getting worse and worse....
Or he really tries hard to believe in his daughter, although everything shows him the contrary and he's losing faith all along...But it is his daughter, so he really tries...still clinging to the hope, that maybe a fairy is coming along granting him his wishes...
I could also imagine, than when he built his first QEG setup, and showing the results to his daughter, that she wrongly interpreted them being happy for OU and he didn't wanna inlfuence negatively her enthusiasm. And then everything took an uncontrolled way, by her ambitious character...
Who knows...one could imagine many things...
But I have serious doubts, that James would continue if Scamgirl wasn't his step-daughter...
Edit:
To me it looks, as if he doesn't seem to be very happy with the current situation. Well would you, if you would have to fiddle all day on that damn QEG with no sign of any real progress???
But maybe Scamgirl is really that ignorant not understanding any electronics and so still really believing they really got something.And noone in the "inner circle" has the courage to tell her the truth?
Cognitive dissonance can be quite powerful. Maybe powerful enough to power a QEG? ;D
"Actually it will work with or without these (shrouds) but ...."
Oh, really? Have you gotten it WORKING without the shrouds, or ever working at all? No, you have not.
So, Jimmy, it's just another LIE. Actually.... it will NOT work, with OR without the "shrouds" .
Do these shrouds appear in any of the complete and comprehensive "open source" plans or drawings that have been released already? You know, the ones that give complete instructions for making one's very own SELF RUNNING, extra energy generating, resonant overunity machine?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX9XMO15ef0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX9XMO15ef0)
They are going to try to keep the shrouds attached to the rotor using threaded rod and nuts: specifically no washers or lockwashers. Just nuts, bearing onto the shroud material, in a rotating assembly that is subject to heavy vibration.
I wouldn't trust these clowns to assemble a bicycle.
Love James's comments: keep the weight down; don't use washers or lockwashers. Note the excessive rod length.
Looking at how the plates were positioned, balancing is not an issue...
You are offering for sale, on the "consulting" webpage, something which you clearly do not possess: the knowledge and skill to make the QEG self-running and producing energy for free.
You also have solicited donations based on clearly false claims: You claimed to have a working prototype that ran for 150 hours... but clearly, again, you do not now nor have you ever had a "working prototype" that runs itself as claimed and makes useful excess power as claimed.
Further, you have claimed that this device has something to do with various Tesla patents, which is also untrue, as anyone who has read the patents and your "open source" plans can see for themselves.
And you have travelled the world, leaving partially-finished projects behind in the hands of hopeful innocents, and lots of people have spent lots of money due to your claims, none of which are true.
Your recent proclamation of "overunity" in VARs is another deliberate falsehood, because many clearly UNDERUNITY systems can produce similar large VAR measurements, and this fact is not an indication of OU performance. Any competent electrical engineer will tell you this. You have never had a QEG device that truly produced "overunity" performance... yet you claim that you have and that your present devices do. And you continue to ask for money based on these false claims, while cynically preying on the hopes of good people who desire real change in the world.
I fervently hope that you get just exactly what you deserve.
Hi Tk,I had forgotten that the rotor was made of laminated sheets. You may be right, although I've done it successfully. It's probably a matter of thread pitch vs. lamination thickness.
I get your point. But I would not do a thread or tap into the laminates, as this would cause them to separate.
Well, I'm not really arguing with you.... but.....
The first image below shows the size of the original hole (on the left) and shows the 1/4-20 plug tap going into the RH hole that has been drilled out to #8 (my #7 drill is missing in action somewhere).
The second image shows the lamination thickness compared to the thread pitch.
The third image shows the slight burr on the top lamination, which is easily removed with, e.g., a light touch with a countersink or spotface or even a few strokes with a file. Lower lams don't show any distortion.
I was able to tighten and remove a 1/4-20 bolt into that hole without further distortion. I would not hesitate doing the same thing on a QEG rotor (except I might use a different thread diameter/pitch) especially since the bolts will be loaded only in shear and barely at all even there.
(I have a little bit of experience with machine tools, field repairs and just generally trying stuff out to see if it will work or not)
Haven't you just "shorted" the laminations and created a lump of iron, thus defeating the purpose of the laminations, which is to reduce eddy currents and associated heat?
Cheers,
Yada
Maybe.
Do you think four 1/2 inch long bolts will short more, or fewer, laminations than two lengths of threaded rod strung all the way through the rotor?
Retired Electronics Engineer, and Process Control Engineer. Working on over unity research, especially new transformer designs. Have been off the grid for over a decade. Currently working on my own 10kW inverter design.
Interested in over unity transformer designs to drive 3 phase AC electric car motors from low power sources. Looking at improvements to split flux tri-coil devices as an interface to high power AC motors. Using QED seems appropriate.
James Robitaille is an electronics engineer whose mechanical skill and inspiration is very similar to that of Nikola Tesla. James just “see’s things” in his mind, like Tesla did. He has an intuition, a gut feeling, and an almost psychic understanding and connection with electrical power and machinery. (An interesting similarity many may not know is that James’ ancestors come from Croatia, the same country Tesla came from!) Many engineers have been learning directly from James in person at the QEG builds. Some have said it’s almost like watching Tesla work.
Well, I'm not really arguing with you.... but.....
The first image below shows the size of the original hole (on the left) and shows the 1/4-20 plug tap going into the RH hole that has been drilled out to #8 (my #7 drill is missing in action somewhere).
The second image shows the lamination thickness compared to the thread pitch.
The third image shows the slight burr on the top lamination, which is easily removed with, e.g., a light touch with a countersink or spotface or even a few strokes with a file. Lower lams don't show any distortion.
I was able to tighten and remove a 1/4-20 bolt into that hole without further distortion. I would not hesitate doing the same thing on a QEG rotor (except I might use a different thread diameter/pitch) especially since the bolts will be loaded only in shear and barely at all even there.
(I have a little bit of experience with machine tools, field repairs and just generally trying stuff out to see if it will work or not)
I'm astonished at the extremely low volume of postings on http://be-do.com/ Barely one a day, and they are mostly "Hello" postings. Is this their main forum or are the builders using a different one? How come with all the all these replication efforts there isn't more activity? Perhaps folks are too embarrassed to share.
I don't buy that at all. 0.010" is a little bit less than the thickness of three sheets of paper. I saw the rotor moving a bit in his clip and I think it was lined up with the posts at the time. By observing the rotor movement, I guesstimate that the separation between the rotor and the posts is about 0.040" minimum.I have noticed your concern about this before. I to agree that this tight of a tolerance would be very difficult to work with, especially using those fiberglass plates. I think I remember on the original plans the clearance was 0.013. But still I would be leery of this at high RPMs. A way to know would be to contact Torelco with your concerns.
0.040" or greater sounds more reasonable. I just don't think you could actually build the QEG to such a tight tolerance with such a small air gap.Quote
ariovaldo
Please provide your tolerances as I believe that you are a trusted source.
Haven't you just "shorted" the laminations and created a lump of iron, thus defeating the purpose of the laminations, which is to reduce eddy currents and associated heat?
Cheers,
Yada
I'd wondered about that, but there again I've seen transformers etc. with a run
of weld across the laminations.
John.
Thank you ariovaldo. So it is closer to 0.026 per side.
No, he has the rotor all the way over, I think, so he's showing that the total gap is 0.026", or 0.013" per side. Very impressive!
Ariovaldo, can you describe for us the difficulties in achieving and maintaining this close clearance?
-The concentricity of the 4 stator pole piece arcs and the rotor bearing mounts and rotor faces.
-The rotor symmetry and balance.
-The rotor shaft bearing mounts.
-Checking clearance after assembly.
-Thermal expansion.
-Vibration when resonance is attained.
-Results of an inevitable rotor crash.
etc.
I have a sobering follow-up to my rant.John Rohner never made an engine run that produced any output power. He did a couple of times use a starter motor to spin some or most of the guts. But that was never able to drive a loaded generator.
How come John Rohner never measured the average power in vs. the average power out from his "pap engine?"
That's right. But because Papp put on a clever display some people think that there s more to it than that.
(In my generation as kids we played with "pop guns." The pap "engine" is just a form of glorified pop gun.)
No, Bob Rohner is cagier than that. He says that he will not disclose measurements because that is trade secret information that he protects for the benefit of his investors. He promised almost two years ago that in the following spring (2013) when the cold winter was over he would take and publish measurements. He instead did a demo that appears to be a complete fake, see Gary Wright's excellent work-up for details.
How come John's arch rival, Bob Rohner, as of my last check about a year ago had never measured the average power-in vs. power-out for his version of a pap "engine." He claims that he is a mechanical guy and he doesn't know how.
I know why and you know why. Find the audio clip of his phone message to Sterling Allan. It's hilarious.[quopte]
How come James Kwok refused an offer to go forward and actually do an installation of his "water gravity generator?"
Because rivals and snake clowns are everywhere trying to steal his fully robotic million unit per year factory.
How come Rossi never generated unambiguous, definitive data?
They are yet another group of free energy grifters.
How come the QEG has not been properly analyzed and proper data presented to the QEG enthusiasts?
Steorn did a similar thing: Appeal to charity while robbing investors blind.
The answers, my friends, are blowing in the aether. They will remain blowing in the aether for the foreseeable future.
The reason for this is that they don't want to present credible, good data because that would show they have nothing, it would stop them in their tracks cold and stop the money flow.
It's all disgusting when you really think about it. It's the dark side of the "Fix the World" pantomime dance.
MileHigh
I don't say that is difficult...I use to work with 7000 hp gearboxes and when we take it apart, to put it back needs adjust to get good contact in the flanks and the clearance right.
Now, trying to answer yours questions...
-The concentricity of the 4 stator pole piece arcs and the rotor bearing mounts and rotor faces.
The concentric are very good. I got tell: It is a beautiful machine. The rotor and the stator was well done.
-The rotor symmetry and balance.
No balance problem. I put the SKF vibration monitor and it was in a very good range..
-The rotor shaft bearing mounts.
This is one problem that I'm having...That shaft was made using one " non" reliable lathe ( my fault), so it is a little bit smaller in diameter that was suppose to be.
-Checking clearance after assembly.
I don't use to check. When I'm putting it together, I use to put the rotor in the lower position, making it touch the stator, after that put up position and bring half way down. Repeat the procedure for the side
-Thermal expansion.
I don't think that is happening in this system so far, since I din't run long enough to have the system hot..Can be a problem...
-Vibration when resonance is attained.
The vibration can be felt in low speed, but this issue is not something that is calling my attention so far.
-Results of an inevitable rotor crash.
That can happen in a long run and when we don't use the right material and as washers for example. Also we need to have right torque and etc..
The difficulties that I'm facing is inherent a system like that, where we have a small clearance, high speed, plastic as support and nothing to lock in the right position.
I hope this can help.
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Thanks for answering the points. It would appear that having the proper, accurate, laser-cut laminations is going to be critical for any builders if they want to get this kind of tight clearance. I'm surprised at the accuracy, frankly. With that kind of care and precision taken with the laminations, it's surprising that the rest of the QEG design is so flaky.
So, if you, or someone else, did have a rotor crash, do you think it would cause unrepairable damage to rotor/stator laminations, bearing mount holes, etc? I can envision a couple loose fasteners at the bearing mounts allowing the shaft to drift over a bit, and then a lot of banging and jumping about....
:'(
Let me touch on the "Tesla issue" for a second. This issue goes beyond the FTW group, you read similar claims made on the forums for various Tesla patents for what appear to me to be early designs for motors and generators.
Yep, i have found the missing link ! The rotor should be made of a magnet and then the
fun begins. It looks like a one to one copy of patent 4904926.
called 'magnetic motion electric generator'.
And skip all shill messages from
'farmhand'
milehigh' ,
Khwartz,
TinselKoala,
Pirate88179,
Mark E,
to name a few ! Heromembers ? The opposite !
I've seen several times questions raised as to whether Jamie is an electrical engineer, mostly I think by MH. I've seen at least one reference by HopeGirl to her step-dad being an electronics engineer, not specifically an electrical engineer. For those who have not studied electrical engineering you might ask what is the difference? OK so I'm an electronic and an electrical engineer, a EEE. I studied both subjects together. I did my degree in the UK where it is usually to do both. However, out of a class of about 100 students or so only 4 specialized in electrical engineering in our final year, the remainder of us went down the electronics path. In the US, at the risk of over generalizing here, I would say it is more usual to study in depth only one or the other. So you get EEs. Electronic or electrical engineers. I would say (except for a few that do rf design) that for the most part electronic engineers live in a DC world, while electrical engineers an AC world. Incidentally, AC power machines, transformers, etc are something of a black art to design, and theory only gets you so far.
I would not be surprised if Jamie originally miss measured the power output of his prototype machine because he is a DC power guy, not an AC power guy. Unfortunately he is now stuck between QEG and a hard place!
Thanks for answering the points. It would appear that having the proper, accurate, laser-cut laminations is going to be critical for any builders if they want to get this kind of tight clearance. I'm surprised at the accuracy, frankly. With that kind of care and precision taken with the laminations, it's surprising that the rest of the QEG design is so flaky.
So, if you, or someone else, did have a rotor crash, do you think it would cause unrepairable damage to rotor/stator laminations, bearing mount holes, etc? I can envision a couple loose fasteners at the bearing mounts allowing the shaft to drift over a bit, and then a lot of banging and jumping about....
:'(
You have to remember, qeg team has no bearing on the fabrication of the metal parts. You can thank Torelco for that.
So .... am I correct in thinking that all "replication" teams world-wide are buying and using the same sets of laminations from Torelco?
Does Torelco know that they are making overunity free energy generator parts?
Is there a money-back guarantee, I wonder?
So .... am I correct in thinking that all "replication" teams world-wide are buying and using the same sets of laminations from Torelco?
Does Torelco know that they are making overunity free energy generator parts?
Is there a money-back guarantee, I wonder?
I didn't get mine from Torelco...I got from Polaris Lamination
They were very kind...
http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com/
I didn't get mine from Torelco...I got from Polaris Lamination
They were very kind...
http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com/ (http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com/)
As long as he isn't misrepresenting his product, I don't see where he would have a legal problem.
Ah... so if the misrepresentation and essential "advertising" and sales pitch is done by a separate legal entity, Torelco is in the clear. I see.As long as that third party is not acting on behalf of Torelco, of course that is true. In order to go after Torelco you have to show that they or someone acting with their authorization is misrepresenting their product. If some super market started advertising on its own that a brand of soda gives eternal life, the soda company wouldn't be liable. Only as a matter of protecting their own reputation they might want to discourage the super market's activities.
Would that still be the case if Torelco and QEG/FTW had some kind of business relationship going? Like a commission to QEG/FTW for each unit sold? I notice that the Torelco page talking about these products features the QEG banner prominently across the top.
I've seen several times questions raised as to whether Jamie is an electrical engineer, mostly I think by MH. I've seen at least one reference by HopeGirl to her step-dad being an electronics engineer, not specifically an electrical engineer. For those who have not studied electrical engineering you might ask what is the difference? OK so I'm an electronic and an electrical engineer, a EEE. I studied both subjects together. I did my degree in the UK where it is usually to do both. However, out of a class of about 100 students or so only 4 specialized in electrical engineering in our final year, the remainder of us went down the electronics path. In the US, at the risk of over generalizing here, I would say it is more usual to study in depth only one or the other. So you get EEs. Electronic or electrical engineers. I would say (except for a few that do rf design) that for the most part electronic engineers live in a DC world, while electrical engineers an AC world. Incidentally, AC power machines, transformers, etc are something of a black art to design, and theory only gets you so far. I would not be surprised if Jamie originally miss measured the power output of his prototype machine because he is a DC power guy, not an AC power guy. Unfortunately he is now stuck between QEG and a hard place!
electric + electronic : http://home.earthlink.net/~fradella/RPMgenerator.htm (http://home.earthlink.net/~fradella/RPMgenerator.htm)
Zero cogging torque and no gearing, plus boost-regulation integral DC power interface electronics, provides useful current and voltage regulated generator output DC power over a very wide speed and torque range. So energy yields from wind can be 100 times more than a conventional generator with its shaft coupled to the same size turbine mounted on a tower ! !
Wind- and other force sources !
Terelco is simply a custom transformer winding company, part of Hunterdon Transformer. The QEG core is not really their product. They buy in the laminations from http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com (http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com/) and wind the cores to Jamie's spec. They are not promoting or claiming anything. simply providing a custom wiring service.
Nice find! Is this a product you buy or is there a spec to build yourself?
If some super market started advertising on its own that a brand of soda gives eternal life, the soda company wouldn't be liable. Only as a matter of protecting their own reputation they might want to discourage the super market's activities.
Ah, but they might indeed be liable. IF it could be proven that the soda company KNEW about the super market's claims and did nothing to discourage them...AND, if the soda company used that super market's logo when advertising that particular soda...that MIGHT appear to be a defacto endorsement of that super market's claims. Very deep waters here and it does not smell good.No, just knowing that someone makes a claim about your product does not make you liable for their claims, even if you know about those claims. What smart people do who find out about shady claims being made is distance themselves from the claims and the people making them because shady claims ultimately hurt one's reputation.
Bill
I have a vision of the rotor in the QEG spinning 24/7 forever. What is the likely hood of this spinning 24/7 day in day out? I imagine these noisy generators in every home. How much can the noise be dampened? Where is the noise generating from? The coil? Does the DC motor keep running once over unity is reached?http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/376-what-happens-when-overunity-is-achieved?start=78 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/376-what-happens-when-overunity-is-achieved?start=78)
I use Maxwell Ansys to simulate QEG, and to me you juste misinterpreted the the torque signal.
Here a torque and speed graphe from a simution.
Notice the 0 Speed is upside left and scale for torque is right.
Note the correlation between negative acceleration and torque...
The load resistor is on the 2 "secondary's" coils.
For me, the QEG is a simple reluctance machine, without mistery....
And yes, this machine needs something to start, noise, little voltage , little current or earth magnetic field, to start.
Major breakthrough!
An anonymous QEG group has modeled the interaction of the QEG with the quantum foam. They also found the particles and anti-particles that are responsible for the very Wheelwork of Nature itself!
Major breakthrough!With those pictures and a bit of medication for glaucoma one could easily find resonance!
An anonymous QEG group has modeled the interaction of the QEG with the quantum foam. They also found the particles and anti-particles that are responsible for the very Wheelwork of Nature itself!
Steman - Very good question. VAR is the measurement unit for reactive or as we often call it in the UK "imaginary" power. The words "real" and "imaginary" come from complex number notation. The power used to light say a light bulb is referred to as "true" or "real" power and is measured in Watts. Real power can be used to do work like drive a motor or other load. Imaginary power can not be used to do work. It's main value to power generation companies is to maintain the correct end customer voltage levels on the national grid when you have inductive loads like refrigerators, motors, and other devices where you do not have unity power factor.
There is a third type of power referred to as apparent or "complex" power and is measured in Volt Amps (VA). It is the vector sum of the "real" and "imaginary" power vectors. You might find this article useful:
http://www.aspowertechnologies.com/resources/pdf/True%20vs.%20Apparent%20Power.pdf
Unfortunately it is not possible to convert imaginary power (VAR) into real power (Watts). So the QEG producing 20 KVAR in the primary coil is not particularly useful. Also when you calculate the efficiency of a device like the QEG you can not divide the imaginary power by the real power. So you can not do this 20000/600 = 33.33 overunity.
My response to a question on http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/451-please-explain-what-does-var-mean#2007When explaining reactive power, I try to emphasize that it is energy that moves in and out of storage. Adding that detail in this case may not be helpful. You are fighting an uphill battle with people who want to proclaim and / or believe that they have a free lunch. I suspect that they will reject what you have told them as "in the box thinking".
Let me know if I should make any editorial changes?
MarkE - You are right of coarse, but the my main objective here is for those reading this forum and who are not technical to understand that the claim of overunity based on VARs is completely bogus, and generating reactive power in large quantities is not particularly useful. I suspect that 20KVAR needs to be divided by 8 also.I understand and agree with the intent. It is not an easy task because there is a huge ignorance coupled with a huge distrust of anyone who understands it. It's a good example of a cult. When you invariably get push back and accusations of being part of some establishment plot then I suppose you can propose a test that will demonstrate the point.
Steman - Very good question. VAR is the measurement unit for reactive or as we often call it in the UK "imaginary" power. The words "real" and "imaginary" come from complex number notation. The power used to light say a light bulb is referred to as "true" or "real" power and is measured in Watts. Real power can be used to do work like drive a motor or other load. Imaginary power can not be used to do work. It's main value to power generation companies is to maintain the correct end customer voltage levels on the national grid when you have inductive loads like refrigerators, motors, and other devices where you do not have unity power factor.
There is a third type of power referred to as apparent or "complex" power and is measured in Volt Amps (VA). It is the vector sum of the "real" and "imaginary" power vectors. You might find this article useful:
http://www.aspowertechnologies.com/resources/pdf/True%20vs.%20Apparent%20Power.pdf (http://www.aspowertechnologies.com/resources/pdf/True%20vs.%20Apparent%20Power.pdf)
Another way to look at VARs in the case of the QEG, is that it represents the stored energy in the primary tank circuit. The VAR is the energy that flows between the inductance of the primary coil and the capacitor bank. A key feature of resonant circuits is that they can build up large amounts of energy from little amounts over an extended period of time. These little amount of energy likely come from the change in reluctance of the the core due to the spinning rotor. However, you can not take out more energy than you put in - so the device will never put out more power than you put in and we see this in the efficiency numbers that Jamie has so far presented. In addition if you attempt to take out the energy then you will disrupt the resonant circuit and it will stop working.
Unfortunately it is not possible either to convert imaginary power (VAR) into real power (Watts). This is because the average reactive power is always zero. So the QEG producing 20 KVAR in the primary coil is not particularly useful. Also when you calculate the efficiency of a device like the QEG you can not divide the imaginary power by the real power. So you can not do this 20000/600 = 33.33 overunity.
@FBrown
Thanks, i will try your setup!
No problem to get V14, but i don't now if i may put à torrent link on this threads!
But i will send you a link, if you send me your address by private mail :)
@+
My response to a question on http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/451-please-explain-what-does-var-mean#2007
Let me know if I should make any editorial changes?
Bill,
So you're Johnny Carson now? lol That was pretty good!
What's next for the QEG??
MH: Well in to beginning my posts were vetted. But my early posts all pertained to helping others find components like caps etc, and I was granted direct posting privileges. Larry is no longer a gate keeper for what I post. I guess he could remove a posting, but I always take a screen shot just in case.
ACG: Bummed out about the Kama thing! I wonder how I can improve my score? I know how to give others a karma point increase, but I guess nobody feels compelled to give me some karma. My thinking is clearly out of alignment with the crowd over at be-do.
A quick update, 20 people have thus far read my post. I feel sure that I will have a major impact. Be-do activity is like watching paint dry or trying to pour out molasses out side on a cold winters day. Snails looks like they are racing by compared with the activity on the QEG forum. Oh we now have a "Hello from the QEG Team Bangalore, India (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/453-hello-from-the-qeg-team-bangalore-india)". This is starting to feel a bit like the Euro-vision song contest!!!
Here's a Larry posting "The QEG does not create energy from nothing, it merely collects it from the environment around it." I've been thinking and researching a bit lately about using balloons to collect radiant energy from the upper atmosphere. The atmospheric "free" charge density at sea level is rather low, but it's much higher is you go up a few thousand feet. I think that Jamie should attach a wire meshed balloon to his primary tank circuit. Just an idea! Trying to be helpful in a positive way!
Very nice! You got the secondary's voltage peaks folding back just as in JR's "Morocco Overunity" shots. MileHigh will be pleased to hear the explanation for these "double peaks".
;)
It comes down to proper handling of a Lenz law reverse flux response, and it is not that somehow Lenz's law is violated or cancelled, but rather harnessed in a different manner so that underlying mechanisms that allow an over unity condition to flourish, are allowed to do their work without disruption.
I suspect the double peaks may be due to the funky nature of the variable coupling coefficient between the primary and the secondary of the QEG. From my FEMM analysis it appears that the function for the coupling coefficient takes three arguments, the current in the primary, the current in the secondary, and the rotor position.I was thinking the double peak was due to the variable inductance of the primary, swinging between two values (12H and 20H). I assume the resonant point is the average of the two extremes??
Vgray35 speaks with a bifilar tongue.
MileHigh
PCB:Wow that quote was hilarious. Someone might ask the poster if he realizes that Lenz' Law only determines direction.
I see that you got a reply:
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/451-please-explain-what-does-var-mean
That sounds like Wayne Travis! lol
Vgray35 speaks with a bifilar tongue.
MileHigh
F_Brown
I appreciate the work you have done in constructing this model and posting it here for others to work with it. I was wondering what the dynamics of the primary tank circuit are in your sim? Ariovaldo has posted some values for the primary in his build. Rotor frequency 235 Hz. High voltage primary coil ( 3100 turns of 20 awg wire) 33 Ohms, 13 Henry without rotor, 18 Henry with the rotor. Primary capacitance 0.16 uF. With these values the time constant for the primary would I guess be that of the inductor. t=L/R or about 0.54 secs. Simon Derricutt calculated that at 7 KV peak-to-peak ( primary ac voltage) that about 4 Joules of energy would build up in the circuit due to the capacitance in the circuit at resonance. What do your simulations show? So I estimate that it would take at least 2 secs to build up that amount of energy (4xt). After time t the amount of energy would be 4J * 0.63 or 2.52J
MH: Need to prepare my response to be-do ;D
There is a great deal of focus on extracting power out of the primary using a "transverter". That is to harvest some of the stored energy in the primary tank circuit. The questions is how much energy could be extracted, while setting aside how this might be done. At 235 Hz the cycle time is 0.0043s (not sure if I'm correctly taking into account the number of poles here?) Then one could only extract 2.52 * (1 -exp (-0.0043/0.54)) = 2.53J *0.00785 = 0.0198 or 0.02J per cycle and for it to be replenished. So total power that could be extracted and replenished because of the time constant of the inductor is 235 * 0.02J = 4.7 Watts. Whow! have I done this right??? Perhaps some folks here might also do the calculation its real late.
They might as well go to Tesla's grave and spit on it, they do him a great injustice. And continue to do so. So it's like returning to spit on his grave every day. Despicable behavior.
Through this whole debacle I have grown progressively more suspicious of anything put forth by FTW. It almost seems as if Jamie is deliberately trying to get the strangest waveform possible before shouting, "Eureka, Over-Unity!"FTW has said that the 179mV reading is the current sense at 10A/V: 1.79A.
If you want to make sense of it all, I suggest examining waveforms from replicators like Ari, whose results are much closer to what my sim produces.
Anyway if I'm reading the scope correctly, the blue trace in the image you posted is only 179mV peak to peak. That's practically noise.
What is that even suppose to be? How is it being measured?
If that is suppose to represent a current, how are they converting the current to a voltage signal?
If they are using a current transformer to convert the current to a voltage, maybe that fold-back dip is an artifact product by the inductance of the CT...
I would think in this case it would be better to use two scope channels in differential mode across a low value current sense resistor, in order to eliminate any interaction of the inductance of a current transformer with the QEG circuit.
Is there a schematic of the test setup, like Ari posted?
Are there additional "exciter" coils connected to that circuit?
I believe I've seen that video, although if you post a link I'll review it.
FTW has said that the 179mV reading is the current sense at 10A/V: 1.79A.
This is similar to what Mylow actually did when he visited Howard Johnson's grave in mock reverence. Mylow had likewise claimed to have designed his phoney magnetic motor based on Howard Johnson's magnetic device and patent. Such drama! I gotta go, even my cat is barfing now.
So, I am going to repost the screen cap of the QEG primary voltage and current from the FTW clip. See if the two of you can put it all together and explain the waveforms in simple terms, and relate that to the "events" that you see in the waveform.
As a reminder for the readers, yellow is the cap voltage and blue is the current.
MileHigh
Can you reduce the size of your graphic to make the page more readable?
@F_Brown
The fold back (dip) will also occur without having a secondary.
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I'm having trouble getting my model to produce such.@F_Brown:
Now a brain teaser for all the QEG emo-builders! (or anybody else except those that voluntarily disqualify themselves!)
What's an equivalent for an infinitely large capacitor?
What's an equivalent for an infinitely large inductor?
@F_Brown:
The location of the dip can be fine tuned by the LCR parameters of the primary. If it goes off to one side, it will look like you have a single current peak with a small bump on it and you will not be able to see a clear dip. You should be able to fine tune the position of the dip with the capacitance value so it will show up exactly in the middle of the primary current peaks and then you should see a clear dip.
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I'll give it a go:
First answer is open circuit.
Second answer is short circuit.
Was I close?
Bill
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F_Brown. I just opened up your simulation, trying to get some familiarity with it. Thank's very much for posting. Not able as yet produce this current wave form. I assume the inductance varies as the rotor passes past the pole? What values does it assume? How can I plot this? I'm an LT novice.
Bill,
You got the answers backwards. Perhaps it was a slip of the keyboard?
An infinitely large capacitor looks like a short circuit, an infinitely large inductor looks like an open circuit.
MileHigh
The QEG core for the UK is done, picture attached. It's looks like the whole thing was put into a mould and then they filled the mould with a transparent epoxy.This is the new MKII potted HV core, being done by I think by a Florida company. It comes I believe with an OU certificate. The next three or four weeks are key as you say MH. No more excuses now that they have a fully equipment lab in a 1st world country with excellent Internet access for reporting minute by minute progress. I'd like to hear from you guys what you think will be the theme of the next fund raising campaign from HopelessGirl. They have successful pitched overunity in VARs, so what next? I do not feel that a sufficiently good job has been done to knock this one down on be-do.
It may look pretty, but it's nothing more than a pretty prop in support of a fake free energy proposition at this point. It will deliver unremarkable performance in the 30% to 40% efficiency range for the standard test were they drive six light bulbs. Of course, it's supposed to be able to drive something like 90 or 100 100-watt light bulbs, I wonder if they are preparing the light bulb load bank for that.
MileHigh
This is the new MKII potted HV core, being done by I think by a Florida company. It comes I believe with an OU certificate. The next three or four weeks are key as you say MH. No more excuses now that they have a fully equipment lab in a 1st world country with excellent Internet access for reporting minute by minute progress. I'd like to hear from you guys what you think will be the theme of the next fund raising campaign from HopelessGirl. They have successful pitched overunity in VARs, so what next? I do not feel that a sufficiently good job has been done to knock this one down on be-do.According to the John Worrell Keely script, the next move will be to claim discovery of a wonderful new improvement that will take more time and money to construct.
This is the new MKII potted HV core, being done by I think by a Florida company. It comes I believe with an OU certificate. The next three or four weeks are key as you say MH. No more excuses now that they have a fully equipment lab in a 1st world country with excellent Internet access for reporting minute by minute progress. I'd like to hear from you guys what you think will be the theme of the next fund raising campaign from HopelessGirl. They have successful pitched overunity in VARs, so what next? I do not feel that a sufficiently good job has been done to knock this one down on be-do.
There is a thread on the Energetic Forum and there will be a presentation at the 2014 conference being done by Aaron Murakami.The only reasons it will be "inconclusive" are 1) Err-on's facile redefinition of what "overunity" actually means... once again he's deliberately confusing it with the legit concept of heat-pump COP. He fails to realize that even a heatpump with, say, a COP of 20 could be "self looped" with an ordinary thermoelectric generator device or steam powerplant ... and then it would be clear that it's really running on the "COP" energy provided by the environment. Instead of moving the energy from outdoors to indoors, it will be running on it.
In the beginning of the clip they talk about the switching timing being the key, and so on. The basic prediction is that it will be an inconclusive demo and it then end up as nothing more than a thread on EF.
It's the same old story - if it was real it would shake the world and possibly be the biggest story of the 21st century. I am betting on the thread.
MileHigh
According to the John Worrell Keely script, the next move will be to claim discovery of a wonderful new improvement that will take more time and money to construct.
The new MKII potted core actually looks beautiful.Every mechanical hard drive in the world has such a switch in it to power a head retract on power fail function.
I think we are already there. With the comments by Jamie about recovering "Reactive Power" via switching in the last video and the topic of discussion in the vid from the be-do page that PCB posted a link to featuring Jim Murray and Paul Babcock I can see the strategic pivot on the horizon.
What the QEG needs now is "Fly-Back Switching" and that's all it needs. Fly-back switching will make it work. Yeah, that's the ticket...
From Paul's brief description of "his" switching method, it sounds like what is called a bi-directional switch. These have been well know for a long time and heavy duty commercial modules are widely available in many sizes for traction drives. Basically it's just two back to back mosfets. so assembled as to block current in both directions when off and allow current in both directions when on.
It is a very useful and widely used construct.
As a matter a fact I spent some months developing my own bidirectional switch modules a couple of years ago when I looked into making a solid state version of the mechanical commutator used in Tesla Switches.
I would disagree with any contention that they have released any useful technical information to the public domain.
To make a bidirectional switch into a "fly-back switch" I presume all one has to do is to just add in some diodes to direct and recapture the transient spike from inductors when the switch turns off.
I find Murray and Babcock particularly hypocritical saying in their interview that independent researchers should refrain from trying hoard and secure their discoveries behind patents, while at the same time that seems to be exactly what both of them have done.
This sounds all too familiar: "We got patents on the way. All we need now are some [perpetually] forward looking investors..."
If any particular free energy device is ever found to work the only way I see it becoming successful is if the developer commits it into the public domain. This seems to be the only thing FTW has managed to do right so far.
I would disagree with any contention that they have released any useful technical information to the public domain.
VARs?VAR is voltage x amperage reactive. :)
What a VARs?
I dunno, but potting the entire coil in clear epoxy was a stroke of genius! It makes the whole coil assembly totally unrepairable and reduces cooling by a whole bunch. Not to mention the fact that it cannot be done "at home" by people who are not skilled and experienced in the art of vacuum impregnation of large items with epoxy.
Most of the QEG videos have now had their comments disabled and removed and even some of the "descriptions" have been removed, like the video from last September where she said they only need 7900 dollars or something like that and will have a working prototype built in "5 weeks".
The process of correcting the past has begun.
The "be-do" website is a real hoot too. Moribund and stultifying. Look at the "technical suggestions" portion..... there are two whole technical suggestions. One to use a telephone modem protector sealed gap for a spark gap..... HOOT! And the other is to _drop a core_ to see if it rings like a bell at 200 Hz, then compute the necessary capacitor based on that.
The "news from morocco": the last post is the lying post from MelB from June 4.... two weeks ago... that claims "overunity" and shows the "QEG team getting ready" sitting around a table in an English pub.
The only person who is actually doing any work and reporting it is our Ariovaldo.
I wanted to present an alternate schematic circuit diagram for attempting to maximize
[color=#0081BD !important][/color] output from the QEG standard core. This attached schematic is based on manual
modification of one of F-Browns schematic but it is not concerned with simulation. It
is suggested by the observation that there was "more [color=#0081BD !important][/color] in the primary coil set rather
than in the secondary side". What happens in this case is that *Both* sides of the QEG
are optimized for resonance and the energy is then extracted from both sides, suggesting
QEG power-core rather then a generator. Energy from both sides are then converted
to DC and summed together. It makes the assumption that both sides have adequately
low output resistance. The other things is the coils are arranged to best facilitate
equivalence of inductance and resistance. Diode bridges convert the DC currents from
both sides and are summed for output.
I base my comments by looking at the level of the technical discussion on Be-Do.com.
I agree with conclusions of this group concerning the QEG. However, I believe that is important to encourage experimentation no matter how silly it may appear to others.Really? Think about that for a moment, in the context of some of the really really silly things we've seen.
Experimentation is the foundation which will lead to the knowledge for future breakthroughs. And many amazing discoveries have been made purely by accident.Not quite "purely". There is a saying that chance favors the prepared mind. This means that amazing discoveries can indeed be made, even unexpected ones, but they will not be made by people who do not understand the basics of the area in which they choose to experiment.
This does not excuse the way that the QEG has been exploited, but it should be a lesson for others that validation is absolutely crucial before making claims.And soliciting money based on unvalidated claims that are claimed to be true and validated... is not only inexcusable, it's criminal. And the people who do such should be treated accordingly, not handled with "kid gloves" because they are "experimenters" who should be tolerated or even encouraged.
And I would hope that others here would encourage open sourcing of ideas without the risk of being made fun of, or ignored.To the extent that one's ideas are far out of the mainstream, one should expect to be ridiculed or ignored. To the extent that one's DATA is repeatable and solid, one should be respected and attention should be paid.
There is no such thing as a stupid question or experiment.I have a theory that if I strap pingpong paddles to my wrists and elbows, and flap my arms hard enough, I can fly. Would you encourage me to go and jump off a 10 story building to "experiment" with my theory? Or would you call that a stupid experiment? Or is this a stupid question?
I enjoy experimentation in many different fields.So do I. Do you waste your time on just any off-the-wall suggestion, or do you know enough to reject certain "possibilities" out of hand as actually being impossible on the face of it? For example, do you have a Bessler wheel in your garage, that you work on for a couple hours every day? How about a permanent magnet motor or SMOT?
I am not being critical in any way toward this forum or its members. As I respect you all and the knowledge and experience you are willing to share with others.
This is exactly what I mean.And why do you think he shouldn't post on this forum? Is there any other forum where people are telling the truth, fully, about the QEG or their work with it?
If I were Ariovaldo or others like him I would avoid posting on this forum. I may be wrong, but I believe his intent was not to disprove the QEG but to share results that many were not.
And soliciting money based on unvalidated claims that are claimed to be true and validated... is not only inexcusable, it's criminal. And the people who do such should be treated accordingly...
There are many, many pretenders who fall into that
category of cheat - including his highness Howdy Doody,
the present occupant of the White House in the District
of Criminals.
Fat chance.
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In basic terms, our machine reverses the conventions used to build electric motors, i.e., instead of using low voltage/high current construction, which wastes energy, our designs use high voltage/low current construction, which gives us a HUGE surplus of energy. A portion of the surplus energy is fed back to self-power the motor, and the excess energy is collected in capacitors and converted into house current (120 or 240 volt, at 50-200 Amperes, depending on scaling). This is known as over-unity (more output than input) which traditional educational institutions have historically taught us was impossible. It is not at all impossible, and does NOT operate outside the laws of physics.
The potential for these systems to alleviate some of the desperation and human suffering in poor countries is immense! For example, the systems can be used to power electric water pumps anywhere that drilling equipment can be brought in to drill water wells for communities with no access to clean water. Electric light (and even satellite internet access) can be provided where people live in darkness and isolation due to lack of access to any source of power, and lack of any means to pay, even if power were available. Governments…or even private benefactors could provide the
equipment, basically one-time, and serve the community for 20-25 years on a
single outlay for the equipment purchase. One of the goals of distributing these systems through the Fix-The-World organization is that we want to give away two machines for each 10 machines that we sell at full price.
Yet "these systems" CANNOT provide power for electric water pumps, they CANNOT provide electric light and even satellite internet access where people live in darkness and isolation due to lack of access to any source of power.
And this was back in September of last year! They couldn't do what they clearly claim, then, or now.
The next major fund generating video and blog will be "UK has RESONANCE!!!" About June 20th - 23th.
It will be uploaded to the following youtube accounts: be-do com, thepowersthatbe, hopegirl587, rewirth
Is the QEG team still soliciting funds based on false claims and promises they cannot keep?
I refer you to the Indiegogo fundraising campaign that closed in mid-Septermber of 2013, where over 18 thousand dollars was raised based on the promise that a working prototype would be constructed with the money, and it would be finished in five weeks.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator)
It has been a bit more than five weeks, the design has changed considerably (shrouds, epoxy potting, heavy wire, extra windings, etc etc) and neither the Taiwan, Morocco, Canada, Germany, UK or any other build of the device has attained even unity performance, much less overunity.
The measurements given by the QEG team indicate rather miserable performance of under 50 percent efficiency, while at the same time they claim overunity from these same measurements. No version of this device has ever run itself, in spite of HopeGirl's claim to have had a prototype running for 150 hours. And they continue to ask for money based on these false claims.
Lo and behold: "UK QEG Has Resonance!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r6gc4mgHs8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r6gc4mgHs8)
The only error in my prediction is that I omitted the qeg in the predicted title. The date was right on track. Give it another day or two and all those listed will mirror the video. Incidentally, if anyone made some wagers of my prediction, I want in on the action. %10 will be fine.
Another pattern to notice for those who have yet to catch on, with each build after RESONANCE!! hopegirl mentions next is tuning and then self running. Though resonance and tuning may not be a verbatim equivalent, for all practical purposes its the same. Ssshhh.... Don't tell the be-do-ers this little secret ;)
It looks like the build quality is improving, at least. I like the transparent endplates a lot better than the silly G-10 stuff. It also doesn't destroy tools when you cut it like the glass-filled resin material. And look... more light bulbs!
Hi All,
Long before the Babcock patent "controllable universal supply with reactive power management" was applied for, a Japanese Professor had already patented a more elegant scheme which basically does the same thing as Babcock's device, except soft switching is used, rather than the hard switching technique that Babcock uses. Both schemes rely on being able to interrupt current and recover the voltage from the inductive load, into a capacitor, which then can be used to assist a rapid rise of current in the next switching cycle. In the AC bridge configuration the MER's device can restore a power factor of close to 1, as seen by the generating source. The timing of switching is dependant on the phase difference between voltage and current and you can see in the example provided in the link above, that the voltage waveform is essentially brought into alignment with the current waveform by essentially chopping it. The MERS's device soft recovers the inductive energy, whereas the Babcock device relies on fast (hard) switching just ahead of current turn off.
The PWM version of this scheme actually allow retention of the sine wave, which is highly distorted in the simple time based switching scheme. Babcock scheme basically does the same thing.
If you can arrange for the source always to see a very low power factor reactive load which either of these devices is coupled to the other side of, feeding say a resistive load, the device could be used to align the voltage and current wave forms to apply real power to the load, assuming phase change is not reflected back to the generating source.
Many papers are available on the MERS device that describe the practical applications and having built a similar device (but with differences) I can confirm the operational principle is effective. This I used on a replication of the power gain SRM that Dave Squires presented two years ago, in place of the choke scheme he utilized. Unfortunately there were some operational considerations that's were not modelled in FEMM, that gave the impression that power gain was possible from this design.
Barry
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Summary:
All of these individuals, and many more left unmentioned, work tirelessly to create the illusion of progress in solving America's growing energy crisis. They sell a vast panoply of books, pamphlets, and DVDs. Each one overflowing with allegedly useful information, and yet completely devoid of any meaningful solution. They hold countless seminars, conferences, round table discussions, and conventions. Each one populated from a constantly revolving list of scientists, consultants, and industry experts. All of whom pontificate for hours on end without offering any practical solution.
REACTIVE POWER – REAL “FREE ENERGY” TECHNOLOGY
We’re going to show you a video soon and it will blow your mind! Many of you may be hearing about a global effort to make some Tesla Generator and there is a lot of hype included. To date, there has been ZERO results showing that there is less coming from the power source than the machine is creating.
The video clip that you’re going to see shows more returning to the power source than is leaving and it is very significant! That is the topic of Paul Babcock and Jim Murray’s upcoming talk at the 2014 Energy Science & Technology Conference – here is the description: Paul Babcock & Jim Murray Presentation Description | 2014 Energy Science & Technology Conference
Last year, John Bedini showed his famous Bedini SSG, but with a modification. As the output battery charged up, SO THE THE INPUT BATTERY! The wheel was just spinning away and BOTH batteries were charged. That is what you get to see at the Energy Science & Technology Conferences.
Hi Nigel,
We are going for full eQEG operation using the flux coil to initiate and maintain electrical resonance, and also the flux coil drive circuit is also configured for automatic self-looping, where a power bleed-off from the QEG's 12V DC o/p will supply power to the flux coil circuit. This is automatic, because as soon as sufficient o/p voltage from the eQEG is available, the lithium batteries are automatically isolated so that the flux coil is fed by eQEG power only - no manual switch over is required.
Cheers Cliff
Initially all QFT/G testing will be done just as a standalone unit using the flux pulse coil to energize the eQEG resonant LC tank, to generate electricity through a self-looped configuration of the device. As matter of interest the flux coil could also be tested as a strictly Bi-TT configuration (i.e. no active QEG component) just to see what Bi-TT OU one achieves, but obviously the eQEG is what the focus will be. At 1100Hz the resonant capacitor will be about 1.5uF/1000V, but that will depend on the final measurement of the primary coil's inductance.
Here, maybe this will help.The first Synchronous motor that I installed 25 years ago was facinating. First all the rheostat was a water rheostat, using ferroform. The motor was 4.000 hp and the motor was used to correct the power factor in our plant. The trick was to get it synchronized....this kind of motor start as an asynchronous motor and we need to " excite" as soon to get the full speed....Actualy, the new version of those motors has electronic exciters and speed sensors....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awrUxv7B-a8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awrUxv7B-a8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiKH48EMgKE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiKH48EMgKE)
Especially:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b24jORRoxEc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b24jORRoxEc)
They forgot to disable comments! (ETA: On the "Awake"radio video. Of course comments are disabled from the start on the "official" UK resonance video.)
So I left this comment, in the interests of full disclosure.
It won't last, I'm sure.
One more simple test....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG8cGV_Iqms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG8cGV_Iqms)
Cheers
Ariovaldo
And why do you think he shouldn't post on this forum? Is there any other forum where people are telling the truth, fully, about the QEG or their work with it?
Do you think that Ariovaldo believes, or has ever believed, that the QEG device would actually ever produce OU? Perhaps we should ask _him_ just what he believes and what his intent is.
Years ago, I was diagnosed with panic attack. To control that, I started to take some strong medicines and this was killing me. To make it short, one year after the diagnosis, I decided to get rid of medication and to help me in this process, I tried to find something to keep my mind working and at the same time, something related toArio ...
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Why do you lie, while asking for money and pretending to sell knowledge you do not possess?
The QEG Canada website says:
"The QEG, based on the work of Nikola Tesla, does not need to be plugged into a centralized power grid. It taps into the quantum field and draws usable electricity from it. A QEG can provide between 10 and 20Kw of power, which exceeds the amount of energy needed to power the average Canadian home."
Note the use of the present tense. This statement is a LIE!
The QEG cannot provide more power than it draws from the mains. There is little resemblance to any of Tesla's patents, and neither you nor anyone else has ever provided any evidence that this device "taps into the quantum field". You cannot even define "the quantum field" in real engineering terms.
Well, nobody bothered to reply to my comment from a week ago, where I asked what those "engineers" thought about the "Overunity in VARs" sillyness.I agree.
If you want to find that out you have to investigate this issue in depth with your scope. The good news is that in the case of the UK group, I am still going to assume that they have that beautiful four-channel DSO. That's the one that can give you real-time RMS measurements on each of the four channels, a really nice processing beast of a scope. I am also assuming that it can export waveforms.
With the DSO there is nothing stopping you from doing that investigation.
For the new UK build, how do you sense the position of the rotor? The same thing applies to other QEG builds. From looking at the other waveforms you can deduce the position of the rotor. But if you are going to be scientific you have to actually measure the position of the rotor to be certain and to make the corelation with your other waveforms.Or you can buy a Honeywell variable reluctance sensor complete with threads, drill the hole, thread it, and screw in the sensor. This is the type of sensor that the hapless John Rohner tried to use but was unable to in farcical his plasma engine. They have been used for a long time in machinery, typically with a gear that has one tooth removed to indicate the zero position.
The answer is to place a "guitar pickup" into the one of the side walls of the QEG. A guitar pickup consists of a small cylindrical magnet wrapped in a coil of wire next to the vibrating string. In the case of the QEG, the rotor passing the pick-up represents the vibrating string. This will generate emf in the coil wrapped around the magnet. That becomes the "tick" that you can see on your oscilloscope.
A small guitar pickup circuit embedded in the Perspex side walls of the UK QEG should work just fine. It will generate a tick on the arrival and departure of the rotor. Note the rotor is quite thick and the small guitar pickup will be perhaps only 5 mm in diameter, so you should have enough resolution to see the arrival and departure of each half of the spinning rotor.
Every single QEG build should have this or something equivalent to this to record the angular position of the rotor relative to all of your other waveforms. If you can't or won't do this then you are just "playing house."
MileHigh
I recommend others do as I did - contribute a bit to the crowd funding projects and wait for the technical details to be worked out. This is an excellent time to get your team together and get your sources of materials worked out as you have been doing. The QEG technology is advancing rapidly, and I am confident that it won't be much longer until we have a set of plans and procedures nailed down.
I think that it is a good idea to wait a bit - let the current teams work out the details and get a good solid tuning procedure established. As you said, one misstep could be a very expensive mistake, so unless you have enough funds available to where a blown core wouldn't hurt you financially, the prudent option is to wait. I recommend others do as I did - contribute a bit to the crowd funding projects and wait for the technical details to be worked out. This is an excellent time to get your team together and get your sources of materials worked out as you have been doing. The QEG technology is advancing rapidly, and I am confident that it won't be much longer until we have a set of plans and procedures nailed down.
Larry
Larry is a hoot. Don't be surprised if Larry becomes Poor Missing Hapless Larry when the house of cards starts to collapse. He will probably be one of the first to run away and vacate the forum never to be heard from again.QuoteI think that it is a good idea to wait a bit - let the current teams work out the details and get a good solid tuning procedure established. As you said, one misstep could be a very expensive mistake, so unless you have enough funds available to where a blown core wouldn't hurt you financially, the prudent option is to wait. I recommend others do as I did - contribute a bit to the crowd funding projects and wait for the technical details to be worked out. This is an excellent time to get your team together and get your sources of materials worked out as you have been doing. The QEG technology is advancing rapidly, and I am confident that it won't be much longer until we have a set of plans and procedures nailed down.
Larry
I do give him credit for advising some people to wait before spending the big bucks. Q: How do you tune a QEG that is already in resonance? A: Hum!
About those blown cores... I can just see it..... A QEG is in resonance and they are pushing that baby with everything they've got. And then all of a sudden *POOF* and there is black powdered soot everywhere!
MileHigh
From be-do SA Team:To TK's point that's as far as anyone ever gets. We will here a lot about the party with pics I'm sure then silence.
The next step is to run the QEG up and achieve resonance, there may be a small party at this point.
Also from SA Team:That being to promote fraud around the world
We intend to have information and training nights where interested people can come for a demonstration. This presents an opportunity to explain the Hope Girl FTW concept, and to raise funds to build more units and to begin to educate people on the truth of our world.
red49er at be-do asking SA team:Nice one! Very sneaky!
I'd be very interested in voltage and current measurements across the primary and separately the secondary coils at fixed rotor speeds. This would be of enormous help in tweeking and modifying the QEG to obtain even better results.
And of the UK team:
Please share with the rest of us some pics. or video of an oscilloscope screen just before and then at resonance. I'd be very interested in voltage and current measurements across the primary and separately the secondary coils at fixed rotor speeds. This would be of enormous help in tweeking and modifying the QEG to obtain even better results
Maybe the QEG causes a rift in the space-time continuum and, in an altered past the team has already achieved O.U. so they are not really lying? Or, possibly they have seen the future and they know they are going to do it so, that makes their statements correct?
Their attorney is going to have to consider defenses like this in order to keep them out of jail before this thing is over.
Bill
All:
It's the familiar pattern repeating itself. That's why I posted my technical stuff, in the hope that someone is helped or is simply motivated to start doing some real investigations and start asking the right questions. Instead, people on the official forum talk about the build material selection and a myriad of other secondary things. Sure, they are valid questions but the most important questions are about getting the thing running as claimed, and making measurements and sharing data. That's why I discussed waveforms and the sensor for detecting the position of the rotor and and other relevant issues. It always seems to fall on deaf ears.
I "can't stand" the notion of "people that want to make a difference" and "people that are outside the regimented and programmed system that controls us" acting like the most passive drones that have adapted to the New Order. Where is their spirit? Where is their individuality? How come it's only the party line? It's like the "rebels" have dissolved into mush, and now they just don't think and take orders instead, or they take "self orders." It borders on a cult, it's almost like a form of Milgram experiment where people reject the authority of the "powers that be, the 'enslavers'" and then submit to the authority of the "New Leaders" and simply take their explicit or implicit marching orders. The "administered shock" is when the "pacified rebels" encourage others to join or make a donation using the FTW storyline.
What's the net result of this "rebel to mush-brain" phenomenon? The net result is that there is no discussion or debate at all about wanting proof of over unity. The net result is that there is no discussion or debate at all about the fact that the two sets of data released by FTW show efficiencies of less than 50%. The net result is that there is no discussion or debate at all about the fact that a high "VARS number" (the primary LC resonator) will not transfer into a continuous over unity power output. It's nuts.
I don't have a solution. In a way I am shocked that people can seemingly lose their individuality and "join the Be-Do hive" to join the "QEGorg Collective."
For those in the QEG realm that still have some working sponge material and you are siting on the fence my advice to you is this: Don't spend a single red cent and instead simply wait. Contribute if you want in other ways but not one red cent until you see convincing proof it actually works. Keep in mind that FTW have made several claims of over unity over the past two months worth of testing and they are all lies.
MileHigh
This is THE GROUND BREAKING POST that we are hoping to make viral. It shows 33 times over unity in the Morocco QEG core. This has been done through a specially made video and a professional report. It should be noted that the equipment needed to take these measurements that many has been demanding cost $75,000 and was donated to the QEG project. We had to wait for this in order to be able to provide these figures freely to the people.
We could not complete the project to show self looping in Morocco because we ran out of time and money. Morocco being an underdeveloped country made accomplishing simple engineering tasks very costly and time consuming as most of the parts we needed we could not find in the country. The last phase of QEG development is simple in comparison to what we have already accomplished. We need to build a transverter (which is already being built) to convert and withdraw the enormous power that is already in the core. We will be completing this phase in the UK at a private build and will open source the results. There are many QEG teams around the world that are co-developing this with us, all of them will be utilizing these results to bring QEG’s to their communities.
Please help us spread this important news by sharing it on your blog. To the best of our knowledge, nothing like this has ever been done in this manner before. The magnitude of what is occurring here is unprecedented. Free energy, opensourced, co-developed, well publicized, over unity demonstrated with professional equipment with a top of the line industry standard report. All of it crowd-funded by the people with a complete detailed and truly transparent report of expenditures.
It's very clever of you to disable comments on the QEG videos you post. This prevents any discussion.... since you've probably noticed that comments, when they are allowed, are overwhelmingly negative.
Your forum is a joke, too.... moribund and full of sycophants and people who are so ignorant of their topic that they cannot even read or interpret the "open source" plans.
You'd think there would be daily progress reports from all the different teams happily building away and obtaining Resonance.... but that's where it stops.
Can you explain the claim of "75 thousand dollars" worth of equipment being necessary to show the "33x Overunity" that has been claimed? Of course you cannot, since it's another blatant lie. The scope can be purchased for less than 5 thousand dollars, for example.
"Free energy, opensourced, co-developed, well publicized, over unity demonstrated with professional equipment with a top of the line industry standard report. All of it crowd-funded by the people with a complete detailed and truly transparent report of expenditures."
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/)
Feel free to post that complete detailed and truly transparent report of expenditures... as soon as you have fabricated it.
FTW has freely created this video with the QEG engineering artist James Robitaille exemplifying how overunity is measured in the QEG. The cost of the equipment needed to test the power in the QEG core and provide these measurements and the accompanying report would be nearly $75,000, and was lovingly lent to the project so that we could show these measurements freely to the people. We would like to thank our anonymous equipment donors, without whom the development and presentation of these measurements would not be possible. We would also ask that all of those in the free energy movement that place demands of proof and measurements on a volunteer humanitarian project please consider and help supply the cost associated with meeting these demands.
AllI'd call that a pretty good fit!
Do you know this QEG simulation:
http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-17 (http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-17)
Here an output of Pspice:
http://static.allmystery.de/upics/83e7c2_QEG_Sim_2014-06-25_Overlay.jpg (http://static.allmystery.de/upics/83e7c2_QEG_Sim_2014-06-25_Overlay.jpg)
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All,
Since it has been a bit quiet on the technical front, I did some more simulations and have made a graph of the locking process of the rotor when the system gets into resonance, see the attached picture.
In this case, the rotor is spun up to about 50Hz (3000rpm, or angular velocity S=50*2*pi=314 rad/sec). When the electrical resonance builds up sufficiently, you can see the stator starting to act on the rotor. In this particular depicted case, the torque between the stator and rotor will cause the rotor to start slowing down and locking into the electrical resonance frequency of about 84Hz (equivalent angular velocity is half of the electrical resonance and is S=42*2*pi=264 rad/s).
Electrical resonance frequency is f = 1/(2*pi*sqrt(L*C)) and should be ideally 100Hz for a rotor spinning at 50Hz, but in this simulation, the actual electrical resonance is at 84Hz and the system is able to pull the mechanical rotation speed into sync with the 84Hz electrical resonance by exerting a negative torque on the rotor and slowing the rotor down until it locks into the electrical resonance.
This locking effect is described by Tesla in his 511,916 patent (that patent IS mentioned in the QEG documents). But that's all this patent is about.... nothing else.....
I thought it was interesting that I am able to reproduce this locking effect with my simulations.
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Do you know this QEG simulation:
http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-17 (http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-17)
Here an output of Pspice:
http://static.allmystery.de/upics/83e7c2_QEG_Sim_2014-06-25_Overlay.jpg (http://static.allmystery.de/upics/83e7c2_QEG_Sim_2014-06-25_Overlay.jpg)
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I finally came up with another test.There are two big sources of loss in machines of this kind: eddy current losses, and resistive losses, otherwise known as: iron losses and copper losses. Iron losses are a runction of the flux swing and the resistance in the eddy current path. The purpose of making stacks of thin, insulated laminations is to divide the eddy current paths into smaller, much higher resistance sections. Orientation of the lamination stack is key. The QEG has been such a bad joke from the start that I never sat down to analyze the flux path. If the jokers from FTW really messed up, the eddy currents circulate in the plane of each lamination, making the laminations little better than a solid ingot and very lossy. Good designs hold down copper losses by keeping: a high form factor, short current paths, and conductors of appropriate diameter for the operating frequency. Lots of power ciculating in a tank leads to both iron and copper losses. But hey, it gives fraud girl and the rest of the Traveling Grifter Robataille clan a chance to hold hands and hum.
Let's keep the numbers simple and assume this:
600 watts electrical-in to power the motor.
Assume the motor outputs 500 watts of mechanical power that is transferred into the rotor.
Assume that 100 watts go into the light bulb load.
So what happens to the "missing" 400 watts? Nobody has discussed this seriously.
The fantasy is that the "tuning" of the QEG that is already operating in resonance will make the "magic jump" from -400 watts to +10,000 watts. They are probably thinking of changing the capacitance values and moving up and down in the resonance frequency as one way to look for the "magic jump." That certainly will not happen. You will recall that James already tried something like this with no results. I can't think off-hand of what other "tuning" they could do.
So let's come back to Earth and discuss the "missing" 400 watts.
The vast majority of the missing power is probably being burnt off in the coil windings. They are resistors at the same time, something that you always have to be conscious of. As the rotor turns and it is between poles, there is a sequence when there is current flowing between both primaries and they are in flux-self cancellation mode. In my opinion this is the ridiculous flaw in the design. As the rotor turns through a full cycle, there are certain rotor angles where the two primaries are in a magnetic short circuit configuration. That causes higher currents and the magnetic energy that is stored in the dynamic core assembly will short itself out in the resistances of the primary coil wires. Then part of the cycle as the rotor spins is to "push" energy back into the core/capacitors to replenish the lost magnetic/electrostatic energy. That causes Lenz drag on the rotor. And every "push" is 80% in vain because only 20% of that push makes it to the light bulb load. 80% of the push energy is destroyed and rendered unusable as it is turned into waste heat.
Next posting for the test.
MileHigh
The test to find the missing 400 watts is a simple thermal test. All that you need is a LASER thermometer and a notepad and a watch.
For starters, don't run the QEG for one full day.
Again, were are going to assume 400 "missing" watts as an illustration. We are going to assume for illustrative purposes the thermal time constant of the center of the toroidal core is two hours. If you don't know what a thermal time constant is then look it up. If you don't know why I am saying the "center of the core" then look that up also.
Then you start the test. You run the QEG for one-half hour and every ten minutes you record the temperature of the core at five locations. You then switch off the QEG and you keep on taking temperature measurements every ten minutes for four more hours.
Then you wait a full day without running the QEG.
For the second part of the test you will not have the QEG running. Instead, you will just put DC current through the coils.
With your bench power supply, you connect it to the coils of the QEG and you dial up the required current so that the power supply is outputting 400 watts. You pump 400 watts DC into the QEG and make the same thermal measurements.
Then you compare the temperature data to see how similar it is between the running QEG and the static QEG connected to the DC power supply.
If the two sets of data are very similar, then with a very high degree of certainty you can say that you have solved the mystery of the "missing" watts - the lost power is all being burned off in the wiring because of periodic magnetic short-circuits in the core assembly.
This test is just as important as any attempted over unity test. The most important thing about testing the QEG is to UNDERSTAND where the power is going. That's what it's all about.
I am not discussing the fine tuning of this experiment, I am just laying out the broad brush strokes. The effects due to the air circulation caused by the spinning rotor may have to be compensated for. Setting up a proper thermal environment is another issue I am not discussing.
Here is a scenario: You do the thermal test and master it. Then you try to tune the QEG for over unity but you never get there. You look at your efficiency numbers and you make some spot thermal checks and because of the knowledge you built up from your own thermal testing, and looking at the RMS current levels in the coils, you KNOW that the missing efficiency is all going into the heating up of the core.
So, that is another challenge for anybody that is truly serious about understanding their QEG build; understand the measured efficiency of the QEG and relate that back to the temperature rise in the core.
MileHigh
MH:
I like your thermal test idea. Alas, they will never perform any test like this. Do you agree that the best test for ANY "claimed" overunity device is self-looping? Maybe this would not work for a devices operating at 101% but, for the numbers "claimed" by Hopeless Girl, self-looping should be a no brainer right?
Of course, they will not be able to do this for all of the reasons posted by you, TK, Mark E, etc.
I read on Hackaday that kickstarter just kicked someone out for raising money for a "fake" device and for making "false claims" about that device. Good thing they did except, that group had already raised about $500,000!!! Will they have to return that money I wonder?
Bill
This particular product was a battery-free tag meant to be attached to anything you may lose in your daily life.
A review of the project uncovered evidence of one or more violations of Kickstarter’s rules, which include:
- A related party posing as an independent, supportive party in project comments or elsewhere
- Misrepresenting support by pledging to your own project
- Misrepresenting or failing to disclose relevant facts about the project or its creator
- Providing inaccurate or incomplete user information to Kickstarter or one of our partners
Bill:
When I read about that Kickstarter campaign a few weeks ago I thought that it was crazy. The reason for that is it basically sounds like a variation on an "RFID" (radio frequency identification) system. These systems have been around for years and years.
RFID systems have been around for a long time. You ping them with a micro burst of RF energy. An RFID tag will absorb some of the ping energy and power a microscopic microcontroller that will broadcast stored bits back to the pinging device. The tiny minuscule of absorbed energy will be consumed to run the micro microcontroller and broadcast back the stored bits. So RFID tags are "awaken from the dead" by the ping, then they spit back their bits and then they die again.
This whole project sounds like a solution to a manufactured problem (for me at least). I personally really do not want to put RFID tags on my possessions. Plus the real solution has existed and has been used in industry for more than 10 years.
It sounds like the Kickstarter scammers simply stole the whole concept and were trying to pitch it as something brand new that they needed lots of money to develop. In other words, they knew the idea itself would generate funding, because the solution already exists and it's a good idea! They also knew that the majority of people would not be aware of the existence of RFID tags.
From your link:
MileHigh
Thanks Mark for reminding me about the core losses, it completely slipped my mind. I assume that the core is made from a stack of flat laminations. So that sounds right for reducing eddy current losses. I am not sure about the rotor. I am assuming hat it is solid and conductive and will have some eddy current losses.One would presume that they are using stock 3% silicon steel laminations like anyone else building low frequency electrodynamic devices, but who knows. In that case hysteresis is pretty much a non-issue. Eddy currents depend on the orientation of the laminations and if oriented correctly: their thickness.
I am posting a graphic that shows two different hysteresis loops for two different types of magnetic core material. The blue area inside each loop represents the total loss of energy when you travel around the hysteresis loop for each AC cycle. This energy loss will heat up the core.
I don't think that there has been that much discussion about magnetic hysteresis loops and eddy current losses on the Be-Do forum. The QEG builders and the Be-Do forum members and the emo fanboys and fangirls that are lurking here will have to do more Google searching if they are unaware of these issues.
MileHigh
ACG:
I can only agree with you. I wonder if the Be-Doers are starting to get frustrated with the general state of affairs. The recurring themes around here about no test data, lack of transparency, and coupled with the technical analysis suggested by the group and the associated recommended tests must be hitting home ("resonating") with the Be-Doers and the actual replicators.
Are we really such "evil" people for pointing out the obvious and using our common sense?
Are we really such "evil" people for discussing all sorts of technical issues about the QEG and proposing some logical testing protocols?
The people on the Be-Do forum have to start thinking about who the good guys really are and who the bad guys really are.
Plus, to all you Be-Doers out there reading this posting, aren't you feeling frustrated by the stifling atmosphere on your forum and the omnipresent sense of oppression and censorship? Don't you just want to scream sometimes?
I am going to link and screen capture for the sample message on your forum below. It's a chilling sample showing you the soft and really unpleasant underbelly on the Be-Do forum:
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and#1750 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and#1750)
Whose interests are really being served on the Be-Do forum? The world's interests or the interests of the Fix the World group?
MileHigh
ACG you may have a spelling error, change durations to countless "donations", it makes more sense. From reading the articles, donations=resonance=OU.
Remember stark believers, the original claim mentions NOTHING about VARS and reactive power. The Pennsylvania prototype was tested up to 9.3k Watts and machine ran for different durations totaling 150 hours in the 4k Watt range.
How do you get (-) negative Karma? Other than direct access to the database of course. But why allow (-) on a forum that does not tolerate negativity ;D
One month ago in Internet time is like a year ago in real time!
TK gets a "Blast from the past screen cap!!!" TK you WIN!!!!!!!
Okay, one last screen capture indulgence.
Reading this guy's postings almost makes me sick because he appears to know his magnetics, yet he still talks complete nonsensical crap about the QEG. He is clearly the most technical person on the Be-Do forum and that's dangerous. It's the perfect recipe for a shill, somebody that has some technical credibility while at the same time he posts wild, speculative, and unproven junk about the QEG to keep people interested and establish credibility with the unaware and pull dollars into the till.
When everything comes crashing down or when Naima and Jamie go dark (because they are sleazes, not because of the MIB) don't expect to hear any more nonsensical BS from Vgray35. It's possible he is not even a shill, rather, this is just Vgray "releasing tension" and getting his thrills about becoming an "online over unity personality."
That's right out of the fake free energy play book. Like Wayne coming up with new models of his fake water and groaning bellows device before the first one was even shown to be working.Speaking of Wayne Travis, is he still waiting for the right phase of the moon for gravity to become non-conservative? Is he still not waiting for new investors to come in and make the old investors whole?
The conference call itself all sounds very legit except for one thing. Nobody in that room would be there unless the first QEG was proven to be working. Note how this could be a psychological ploy, where you move some doubters over the line and turn them into believers because, "they wouldn't be doing this unless it was all true."
I don't know if that was a conference call full of dupes with a few string-pullers or if we were just witness to an early step in a criminal conspiracy to orchestrate a new round of funding.
MileHigh
How do you get (-) negative Karma? Other than direct access to the database of course. But why allow (-) on a forum that does not tolerate negativity ;DThat's what I'm going to get. You have a button and can give both positive and negative karma to other members. Since I'm still at 0 I have know where else to go but likely down after this post.
Speaking of Wayne Travis, is he still waiting for the right phase of the moon for gravity to become non-conservative? Is he still not waiting for new investors to come in and make the old investors whole?
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That what I'm going to get. You have a button and can give both positive and negative karma to other members. Since I'm still at 0 I have know where else to go but likely down after this post.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and)
In the post just above yours, the poster says that sailboats can't go faster than the wind. I guess he must have missed that whole "America's Cup" fake sailboat race, then.It's a same that there is no electrical equivalent to the Bernoulli principle.
I see that the "conference call" video is now "Unlisted" !! And of course, comments are disabled. That's the way to do "open source" ! Keep secret what you know will generate criticism, and don't allow open discussion.Can you post a link? Thanks.
I strongly suggest that interested parties download a copy of that conference call video, because it's probably not going to be up for very long.
Can you post a link? Thanks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxHhsl5z8IU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxHhsl5z8IU)Thanks. Got it archived for posterity!!
Nice work Tinsel, time for a funding campaign for you, sit back we'll do it all for ya. ;) Just kidding.Thanks!
But I can confirm the results you got are good but kinda normal, your setup is a lot more powerful than mine but the same effect is got.
I used a pair of small Tesla transformers with one driven by a "Armstrong oscillator" and with only a few watts input, 12 volts and about 400 mA current,
on the primary of the "transmitter" "in the tank" I was seeing about 40 volts RMS and about 5 amps of current, which made me smile
and say wow but I knew it was accumulated volts and amps, just as the contents of any tank is accumulated.
My voltage and current also appeared to be in phase but I was using a 0.1 Ohm CSR (5 Watts) and so I was not so sure of the accuracy of the
current trace.
Nice video well done.
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In fact, according to WITTS, the exciter circuit can be removed after a couple of weeks of use because the QEG core has become conditioned and no longer needs it.
1.3 MHz would be a typical clock frequency for a 1976 or 1977 microprocessor. Thank God they didn't all genlock together because it would have been the End Days. "Zero Hour of the Microwave Ovens."Thanks, but there's no "trickery" involved other than the same "trickery" used by the QEG measurements. The video is an illustration of measurement and interpretation error, just as the QEG "Overunity in VARs" videos and text reports are.
That information was the result of an $800 donation! You have to knead your coils.
Great clip TK! I have to confess that I have looked at past clips by you where I couldn't figure out how you did it. Even this one has me mystified. Consider that a high compliment!
MileHigh
I have struggled to find my part in this effort to help the QEG to become self-sustaining, after all, I had once been a rather mediocre electronic engineer whose skills do not appear to be relevant, but I do seem to be good at putting elements together and weaving a story that might be an inspiration to others.
@TinselKoala
Thanks.
I try to make another simulation.
Diameter #12 wire= 2.053mm, Area=3.31mm², L=243nH for one wire...(http://emclab.mst.edu/inductance/circular/ (http://emclab.mst.edu/inductance/circular/))
For the 3 wires in parallel the inductance will be lesser.
3 wires Area=10mm²=Pi*D²/4, equivalent diameter of 3 wire=sqrt(4*10/Pi)=3.57mm so L=166.5nH (it's an bad approximation). But L will be <166nH.
"I also don't have that much phase shift showing in my scopeshots, probably because of the lower overall inductance in my apparatus. "
a) if an inductive resistor is used to make your scope shots, the phase sift will be very low. Note, on the third plot pane, how little the phase sift is. This is because the impedance of L2 is much bigger than the resistor. |Z(L2)|= 11 * R (in my circuit)
b) if you use an resistor with L=0, then you "must" have a phase shift between I(the same along the circuit) and the main coil voltage.
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Great SIM work gentlemen!I think his "cannabis journey" must have been right into the heart of LaLa Land. Some people should avoid those kinds of journeys at all cost... they might not be able to find their way back home.
I don't think that Dave's posting advanced the cause.
Bah... I take that with a huge grain of salt. It was Dave that was narrating the first allegedly known as over unity video where he took the peak-to-peak voltage and current measurements to calculate the output power into the light bulb load. Bah....
Visions? What does it mean when you go to a garage sale and they have two kitchen sinks for sale? Dave of Arc. <*rim shot*>
MileHigh
I think his "cannabis journey" must have been right into the heart of LaLa Land. Some people should avoid those kinds of journeys at all cost... they might not be able to find their way back home.
Thanks Mark for reminding me about the core losses, it completely slipped my mind.@MH et al
I don't think that there has been that much discussion about magnetic hysteresis loops and eddy current losses on the Be-Do forum. MileHigh
Why has no one in these interviews ask about the prototype in Pennsylvania, you know the one that ran for 150 combined hours and peaked at 9.3kW with the unknown ambiguous load?Thanks for the idea! I just asked the question over at be-do. My quess is they will ignore the posting. If vgray35@hotmail.com (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/qeg-meet-up-networking/userprofile/757) ignores it then we know he's a definite shill! He writes an essay for nearly every posting.
Thanks for the idea! I just asked the question over at be-do. My quess is they will ignore the posting. If vgray35@hotmail.com (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/qeg-meet-up-networking/userprofile/757) ignores it then we know he's a definite shill! He writes an essay for nearly every posting.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/490-pennsylvania-qeg-prototype (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/490-pennsylvania-qeg-prototype)
Your other post remains unanswered.Let's see what transpires over the 4th of July weekend. I fully expect that there will be no response to either of my most recent posts. The wheels are starting to come off the wagon. I'll make another posting taking umbrage at the rejection of my offer to help with the Penn prototype. I can then get a bit more aggressive about the claims they have previously made, asking some more probing questions I think the softly softly approach is the best way to expose these guys.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and#2187 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and#2187)
@TinselKoala
I think know why you get a discrepancy between the measurement of power in and power out.
The current multimeter is giving a false reading, because the current from the battery to the amplifier("generator") is pulsed and this dvm "does not see all the signal".
- And a simple capacitive filter between the multimeter and amplifier will cure the problem.
Can-you send me the amplifier schematic or it's reference if it's a commercial one?
Just to justify my ideas.
Thank-you.
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During the interview with FTW by alternative energy reporter Sterling Allan, James Robitaille from FTW told that he had about 9kW of equipment running (as a load) on his prototype QEG with less than 1 kW of input:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ .
Initially my business partners and I planned to order components and build one ourselves. However, when FTW released a well documented test report with energy input and output measurements from a new prototype they built in Morocco, we pulled the handbrake. The measurements showed that no more than 590W of usable output was achieved with an input of 607W:
https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-june-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v2-011.pdf
Although the report also stated that this Morocco prototype was not tuned/optimized yet, a new test report showing similar results as mentioned in the Sterling Allan interview has not yet been released. Until such a new report is available, we decided to wait with ordering any components.
Why the FTW team was not able to reproduce similar results with their Morocco prototype as they achieved with their first one, remains an unanswered question for me.
@isim:
I've confirmed that the input power to my system is straight DC. I connected a current viewing resistor in-line with the battery supply and scoped it: total flat-line DC without any ripple or spikes. The input current is DC at the value shown on the DMMs.
I was going to comment yesterday that Your input looked right to me, in my experiences with a lot lesser input and using transformers(emphasis mine)
I found that the readings from my True RMS DMM are pretty mush just as accurate as using the scope and a 0.1 Ohm CSR (wire one)
I also checked with a analogue panel meter. But if the scope shows flat DC and the DMM agrees with the scope then I usually use the DMM.
Tinsels input just looks correct for the power he is developing in the tank.
Only the power dissipated in the tank can be considered output. I would expect to see more power in the tank than is being input.
The bit that makes me wonder with Tinsels setup is the power dissipated in the circuit. Seems to me there would be a bit of juice
dissipated in the circuit.
Will be good to see the sim. Can we run the sims ? I still haven't leaned the basics of Spice.
P.S. Tinsel you usually get a god 21 watts or more out don't you, I seen you show what i think was a 21 Watt auto globe lit right up,
probably over powered.
So 33 Watts input and 23 Watts output with a few Watts feeding the tank losses, a few watts "pumping" up the tank and a few
Watts dissipated in the driving circuit.
The power in the tank is kinda inconsequential compared to input and true output.
Your current sense resistor is more or less your load isn't it ?
The UK word is out!
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/cicu-united-kingdom/495-phase-3-update-uk-build (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/cicu-united-kingdom/495-phase-3-update-uk-build)
Same pattern repeating.
* Hang in there we are almost there.
* Did not self loop.
* Ran out of time. - Humm, perhaps not speeding so much time installing 11 gongs, and overhead curtains, you would have had more time.
* "...we will be releasing in our famous opensource style!" - A.K.A. disabling comments to various youtube channels and banning questions over at be-do.
* The obligatory Tesla reference.
* Fleeing the scene of the crime. - But down worry, the prototype in Pennsylvania is now scheduled to be self running in 30 days. How many times have this been said?
Holding to see the title of the next fund raising caption. Should be something appropriate like "Stick Em Up!"
@TinselKoalaYes, that's a good point. If anyone actually builds this circuit, start it with a switch to direct 12 volts, do not "ramp up" the power slowly with a power supply's voltage control. A good way to see if it is oscillating is to monitor the input current. If it goes really high (over 3 amps or so) when first starting, with no receiver load, it is likely not oscillating and you will blow a mosfet very quickly, so remove the power immediately, and start over.
I was busy this evening, and the sim will be for the end of the WE. I just have the time to draw and adjust the sim parameters.
One problem: the generator does not want start alone, so I will test it with an external command signal on the drain!
And I confirm your measurement: no pulse in the current from the battery... (because C9, L1 and L2)
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Can there really be 40 different QEG Teams all around the world who got suckered into this affair?
I still believe between 10 and 15...You missed Belize.
PCB's two posts about shipping the "working" QEG to the UK have been taken down. I don't think it's because the road show is moving back to Pennsylvania either.I know I just posted this in response to the Phase 3 UK build.
It's because discussing the fact that that they claimed that they had an over unity prototype in Pennsylvania is a THOUGHTCRIME.
The FTW group has already rewritten the history books and the new term to use for proper thought is RESEARCHMODE. The "working prototype" never happened.
You zombies in the Be-Do forum, it's time to start waking up. It's time for your own march.
MileHigh
Here is the video from the UK Build.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnVXSxYT59g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnVXSxYT59g)
Folks here might find hopegirls comments and the response at 6:20 min very interesting. They seem to be claiming the just resonance in itself is a major breakthrough and success in its own right. Never mind the rest.
When the guy gave his speech on "resonance being a breakthorugh" he was squirming in his seat. Besides that I loved the "1966 Be-In vs. Pseudo Nerds" feeling they had going on.
You're built like a car, you've got a hub cap diamond star halo
You're built like a car, oh yeah
You're an untamed youth that's the truth with your cloak full of eagles
You're dirty sweet and you're my girl.
Bring it on, bang a gong, smoke a bong!
Instead of the QEG being driven with a powerful electric motor, I would like to see it being driven by a pedal power. This will give the punters a better idea of what human energy is required to maintain the lights shining. Maybe some volunteers will step forward from the 'team' to give a video demonstration of continuous running over say a one hour period. This demonstration should give some perspective on the input energy requirements. A comparison could then be made using a pedal driven conventional alternator and inverter setup to compare performance. Incorporating fitness into the QEG project, would introduce another important spin off project - 'hope on your bike'. :)
As far as I know, to me it seems as normal generator with resonator so effective output is achieved in resonance only. No quantum phenomenon at all. If I am correct, it should be enough to disconnect capacitors and you can achieve output power even during small RPMs so there is no resonator circuit.
And with very normal motor + generator, there is no overunity, why resonance should change it?
I suspect they are about to ban you.
Higgsfield may just only have a southern growing inward downward expanding karma of -1, -2, then -3.
I've not been banned but I have been summarily warned in a direct email to me, in response to the question asking why my posting had been deleted. There can not be any negativity in the posts and my last one asking for explanations as to why they have not been able to successfully build a working device, given James said he had one in PA, was going just too far he said. Larry pointed to the fact that they are now in R&D mode with the goal of self looping by the end of the month. He made various mentions of trolls, bad people, but affirmed that I am not a troll, thank god!
Narrative update in order:Thank's for the timeline ACG. I'm finding it difficult to keep track of all the changes/rewrites. The problem is they keep pushing the goal posts down the track. Now it's self looping at the end of the month. You notice that with all the fan fair leading up to the UK build, that in the UK videos there are no measurements presented, no osc waveforms, no results given for the Markov coil, really nothing to hang your hat on. Or from their perspective hang yourself by the neck. The only solid report technically from the vid was that the QEG does not produce ionizing radiation. Really not something I would have thought to test for at 400Hz.
1. Output of 240v 42 amps 60hz to be easily connected to your house (from manual 03-25-2014 http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/qeg-user-manual-3-25-14.pdf (http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/qeg-user-manual-3-25-14.pdf)).
2. Output of 2000v 5 amps 400hz (from Taiwan interviews starting @4:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE) notice James said "if")
3. Output of 1400v at lower amps yet 200hz, and may need an aerial? (Morocco May 2014)
4. Output to be supplemented with a Markov coil + transverter to draw power from reactivity of the primary coil (United Kingdom June 2014 http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/)).
5. UK No Go. Return to Pennsylvania prototype. Now classified as Research and Development. Self runner to be completed in a month (July 4, 2014 https://twitter.com/hopegirl587/status/485162445795635200 (https://twitter.com/hopegirl587/status/485162445795635200))
The answer is simple as we have already examined working principle of the Tesla Tower. From the viewpoint of generator, Tesla Tower is not any different from some kind of external ground (connected via active resistance of the Tower). This is due to the fact that generator “sees” only active resistance of the Tower but does not react anyhow at the charge value, which is accumulated in the tower. This is because of capacitive and inductive resistance in the resonance mode compensate each other. In other words, for generator the Tower is some sort of “grounding” via resistance which is equal to active resistance of the Tower. As it was noticed above, such charge evokes distribution of the charges in ground located in direct proximity next to the Tower. However, the higher charge integrator of the Tower is elevated the less important is that factor as capacity Earth-Ground is decreasing. It is enough to elevate charge integrator to the height which is significantly higher that the size of integrator so that the Tesla Tower would really start to serve as “external ground” for the reference generator (i.e. it is enough to minimize the capacity between the Tower and Earth so that own isolated capacity value of the Tower would become at least somewhat equal to that of the capacity Tower-Earth)."
Tesla spoke of ground "standing waves", which he was able to detect and has a Patent as such. These standing waves were present during thunderstorms. If the QEG could be tuned into them via a ground connection, then could it harvest the energy during a thunderstorm. Just fantasizing!!!
“… I was very lucky to discover new and amazing phenomena, such as rotating magnetic field, glowing of wireless vacuum tubes and many other high frequency effects, which amazed the world. (…) But what impressed me as more beautiful than anything else was the discovery of stationary waves, to which I came in 1899, and which showed that that the whole planet on which we live, despite its incomprehensible size, could be made to response with vibration to the lowest whisper of human voice. …”.From: Branimir Jovanovic, “Tesla, Spirit, Work, Vision”, Freemental, 2001.
Bill: Are electric ground standing waves always present? I assume the energy comes from the ionosphere via lighting strikes?
Another thought I just had. It was electicme's idea for me to test my earth battery with my scope by using a 50' extension cord and sticking the probes into the plug. Otherwise I could not run my scope out in the front yard. I wonder if that extension cord was acting as an antenna and that is where those spikes come from? That is the only way I can use my scope outdoors (Leaving the scope inside and using the long cord to extend the reach of my probes) and, now that I think of it, I might have tainted any results by doing so?Don't you have a UPS on your computer? Or an inverter power supply? Surely you can rig up a portable PS for the scope so you can take it outside without the long cord.
Damn! So, my experiments are inconclusive at this time I suppose.
Bill
Don't you have a UPS on your computer? Or an inverter power supply? Surely you can rig up a portable PS for the scope so you can take it outside without the long cord.
The results are phenomenal! Where it would take years to perfect something in a closed environment, the engineers are making quantum leaps in the discoveries of free energy technology. The build in Taiwan exposed dozens of engineers from Taiwan and as many as 5000 engineers in China to the basics of Tesla’s free energy technology. Engineers from 24 countries met us in Morocco for further brain storming and collaboration. Most recently in the UK we have another collaboration of engineers and planet changers from several different countries..
So far the UK QEG has achieved resonance and overunity in VARS. Once again it was proven that there is a tremendous amount of power inside of the core. Hundreds of thousands of dollars of professional equipment were lent to the build to provide unique measurements of some of the most revolutionary finds on harnessing free energy in history. Much of which will be coming out in full technical reports as soon as we can compose them! We are now in the long tuning process, which is necessary to achieve self-running. The engineers worked long hard hours in the most beautiful spirit of collaboration we have ever witnessed. Unfortunately many could only stay for a short period of time and had to return back to their geographic locations before the tuning process and further testing and measurements were complete for self running. So now the project continues on towards self running in several geographic locations simultaneously. What has resulted is the Global Dream Team..
There is no question of “if” we will have self-running free energy around the world. It is only a matter of time now. And this time is coming soon, perhaps in the next few weeks. What is important to focus on now, is how we will adapt to this new way of being. How will we do business together? How will we co-create together? Patents, ownership, secrecy and greed are ways that are becoming obsolete in the new world of open sourcing, co-development and instantaneous sharing of technology across digital platforms and social media.
Donate to the Phase 3 QEG - self running HERE.
Whether the motor is DC, or AC, or a "universal" type, makes no difference at all, because there _is no overunity_ in any of the measurements they have posted! None at all! The claims of overunity, 33x or whatever, are utterly false, and there is no such thing as "overunity in VARs", that's just silly.
When the end of this month comes around, there will be more tales of woe, more excuses (perhaps the personal illness of one of the participants prevented more work) and more solicitation of "donations"... because after all, Timmy Thrapp had one that worked, so we know self-running is just around the corner, Resonance, and Overunity in VARs after all!
@picowatt:
Thrapp has said that the exciter coil / spark gap stuff is only necessary for the first couple weeks of operation, to "condition" the device. Once that has been done these parts can be removed, they are no longer needed.
I am not kidding.
So maybe the device Timmy showed in those old videos had already been properly "conditioned". Uh-huh.
On the other hand, you need a good Red Herring to link this thing to Tesla, somehow, and what better way than to put in an aircore coil and a spark gap! Instant Tesla!
Well then, should not at least one of Jamie's builds be "conditioned" by now?I don't recall seeing them using the coil and spark gap.
Now that Jamie has returned to Pa., maybe he will show everyone the unit he has there doing what he claimed it could do.
PW
The Florida QEG folks just posted these two videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW2bCM90Yms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW2bCM90Yms)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSqXRVuXpFY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSqXRVuXpFY)
From: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/475-myths-about-reactive-power-in-resonant-circuits (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/475-myths-about-reactive-power-in-resonant-circuits)
Clearly there has been a lot of effort done by those folks. But..... are they actually competent?I think we see in the videos that again this device is very inefficient. Now he looks to be using only one of the primary coils, but even so that output looks to be quite low. I'm interested in the transformer idea. I'm not real sure how this works. On the one side we have a mechanically driven oscillator, which feeds into a transformer. I would assume that the C must be adjusted as there are now two parallel inductors. The transformer isolates the resistive load, which will always force the V & I to be inphase. However, there is an additional impedance placed on the primary as a result of the load. I'm sure if he was to show the primary waveform we would see that the V & I are nolonger 90 degrees out of phase (he says 50 degrees in the first video by mistake).
Six light bulbs glowing dimly as the load? AC coupling shown on the scope channel? What exactly is the Hall sensor doing? Certainly not providing a trigger signal for the scope! What is that _battery_ doing there? They think they need a 1000x HV probe because their voltages are so high, and the guy is gesturing around in there and touching stuff randomly with his bare fingers?
I swear, my presentations of frigging JT waveforms on my 2213a are better than these fancy DSO users give.
Note that the light bulb is _brighter_ when powered by the wireless system and battery, than it is when it is connected directly to the same battery.Nice! Very nice! I agree this is essentially the same setup. But no cheezburger yet. I assume the V&I on the primary are close to 90 out of phase. What effect does the load have on these waveforms when you bring the two halves of the air transformer together?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk)
Cheezburger, with fryz?
It seems to me that anyone who wants to claim that the QEG is OU... must have a hard time to explain to me why my system isn't.
Clearly there has been a lot of effort done by those folks. But..... are they actually competent?
I watched the two clips and my Spidey senses are tingling.Absolutely right, could suggestion. I posted early on be-do that post the more waveforms, as has vgrey.
There is another test that I never mentioned because it is "too obvious" so I filtered it out in my head as not worth mentioning:
Measure what happens in the primary tank circuit as you vary the power dissipation in the load connected to the secondary.
Attach load A of 10 watts and measure primary peak-to-peak voltage and the voltage-current phase angle. Measure motor input power.
Attach load B of 20 watts and measure primary peak-to-peak voltage and the voltage-current phase angle. Measure motor input power.
Attach load C of 50 watts and measure primary peak-to-peak voltage and the voltage-current phase angle. Measure motor input power.
For some experimenters it will be a challenge to determine the resistance of the load to draw 10 watts. A bit of experimenting and you should be able to figure that out.
What happens as you increase the output power in regular steps? Get to know your QEG.
If some builders did this it would be a giant leap forward in free energy research and open up new avenues of discovery that have never been seen before. Synergistic modalities.
BeliefBoy
I don't recall seeing them using the coil and spark gap.
But as far as the unit in PA goes... as I have shown, in the interview with Sterling on PESN he tells the truth (sort of) about the PA Prototype.
1. It was never "run" for 150 hours. It was _driven_ for perhaps 1.5 hours, many times, in the "resonance mode", and James estimates a total of about 150 hours being driven in that mode.
2. The _peak_ power measured by clampon meters, DMMs and the oscilloscope was a bit over 9 kW and the _average_ was "probably" between 4 and 5 kW. Although he did not say so specifically I think we know that he is referring once again to peak-to-peak readings multiplied together and not the true "average power" which is Vrms x Irms -- just as they have done with all subsequent "OU in VARs" claims.
3. No... James specifically says the unit never actually ran itself. He complains about building it in his barn, not having the necessary inverter, etc etc but after all the hemming and hawing is done the fact remains: they "released" this device to the "public" based on the "resonance" and misinterpretation of their measurements and the device _never_ in fact produced any OU or ran itself.
So in order to show everyone that the PA prototype does what _he_ claimed, all he need do is show the Resonance and some bulbs lighting up, and some squiggly colored lines on the scope. He really never claimed anything more than that.
When HypeGirl said the thing "works" and had "run for 150 hours" she was deliberately trying to give the impression that she meant "self running while producing extra power output" which is the usual meaning of "working" and "running" in our community. Isn't it? However this was clearly not the case and James himself told us so in the interview. Nothing that has transpired since has trumped that set of statements from JR. And the problems that caused them to be unable to make the PA Prototype "work" remain: the thing has never made any OU and never will, so all efforts trying to make it self-run are futile.
The Florida QEG folks just posted these two videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW2bCM90Yms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW2bCM90Yms)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSqXRVuXpFY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSqXRVuXpFY)
From: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/475-myths-about-reactive-power-in-resonant-circuits (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/475-myths-about-reactive-power-in-resonant-circuits)
It interesting, he passes the output from the primary through a transformer, which is akin the secondary is doing of coarse, to convert VARs to Watts. He references this paper:
http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/772/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/772/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf)
Bolt: You might find the above interesting. I have several large 3 phase motors, around 20 HP. I also have one as a generator set (25 HP 3ph motor that drives a 15 KW gen that outputs at 120 Hz). What can I do with these? Would you consider posting a pdf of your circuit and setup info.
In the image below you see a system that has a high degree of reactive power circulating in the resonant "primary" on the left. It is much greater than the input power drawn as DC from the battery. This reactive power is "transformed" by the air-core transformer whose secondary is now powering a real resistive lightbulb load, on the right. This system is doing exactly the same thing electronically that the QEG device is doing electromechanically, and it's doing it a lot more quietly and a lot cheaper.
I can haz cheezburger now?
For the benefit of Evens' team in Canada... here's the update for the Sciencey types:
Evens, our resident physicist, has proposed a brilliant solution for self running, so we have wound coils around the core, that is 99 turns around the secondary circuit and 18 turns around the primary to make use of something known as an Avector field (discovered by Gennady Markov) that is generated (for free) around the core as it resonates.
We performed a test run and successfully converted 114V of reactive power down to 12V real power, enough to drive a small 12 Volt motor.
We are now gearing up for a the first test where we attempt to convert 2000V down to 240V @ 3A enough to drive the motor that runs the QEG...
Confidence is HIGH
Let's imagine that I have a standard step-down transformer, a pole pig kind of thing with 10k primary and 240V secondary. This transformer is originally designed to work at 50-60 Hz. What will happen if I feed it 10kV p-p at 400Hz instead of 50-60 Hz?Copper losses will be higher due to skin effect, and iron losses should be lower due to less flux swing. The roving grifters Robitaille have no out.
Anyone? Will the fact that the input is 400 Hz rather than 60 Hz make a whole heck of a lot of difference? Or will it simply be a little less efficient and heat up a little more, but still work as a normal transformer, only outputting 240 VAC at 400 Hz rather than 60 Hz? And can I not purchase a commercial off the shelf mo-gen power supply that will take the 400 Hz input and give me 60 Hz output? Anyone able to answer these questions?
Is anyone out there? Are you listening, James Robitaille?
It occurs to me that James cannot ever drop this project now. He has the proverbial tiger by the tail and will not be able to let go without it biting him in the ass. As group after group pauses their own work in frustration, they stare towards Pennsylvania and the barn... er, laboratory of James Robitaille, Engineering Artist Extraordinaire, who designed the first on-board vacuum cleaner system for soccer mom's SUVs... and hope and pray that he will meet HopeGirl's deadline (the third or fourth one) to make a self-runner by the end of July. The pressure is on, Jamie! You had best give up sleep and get to work. The World needs Fixing, and You The Man!!!
Voice stress analysis, anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y)
It's NOT 60 Hertz, dammit! You need an inverter! Not 60 Hertz, it's 400 Hz! Inverter! Uh.... 400 Hertz, not 60, need INVERTER! Smatter wichoo anyhow why you ask me questions?!!?
From Cobra Ground Crew Japan
Meeting of 13 July 2014
Dear Sisters and Brothers,
We met today and we, as a group, Decided to stop the QEG progect.
We ask all the people who donated, to send us Their personal details and phone number so did we will proceed in sending back the money.
see:
https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=fr&rurl=translate.google.fr&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-17 (https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=fr&rurl=translate.google.fr&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-17)
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Very Nice! People are starting to wake up. I can't wait to hear what HopeGirl has to say about that on her blog. Will she ever return any of the money she has acquired by her false claims and promises?
Meanwhile, the process continues. I just noticed that the QEGers think that a random-electrode 1.5 cm gap takes 50-100 kV to break down. Sigh. You would think that someone among them would have a Rubber Bible handy, or even access to WikiPedia. A poor understanding of High Voltage phenomena, techniques and procedures will wind up biting them in the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kJymanpqyQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kJymanpqyQ)
Wow, just wait until those 5,000 Chinese engineers figure out it is bogus. The crap will really hit the fan then.
Bill
Regardless of the voltage at the spark gap, do they think this is special to get a loud spark? I own 2 stunners in the million volt rage so the label says. Easily they put out 500kV open circuit from the internal batteries. These stunners must be saving the world!!!
Here is a video of Orlando’s QEG converting VAR’s into Real Power, by using a transformer as in Herm’s paper.
I misstated in the video 50 degrees out of phase it was actually 90 degrees out of phase until I added the transformer.
Please forgive the poor quality of these videos and having to be in 2 parts.
http://i-uv.com/latest-test-from-orlando-qeg-quantum-energy-generator/
Once all the required research was done and the components finally arrived (in January), he began assembly, went through testing, trial and error, and reached resonance within 5 weeks (February 2014). For the preceding 4 months, James had been in conference with Taiwan, who supported development and wanted to build QEGs in their country. It was clearly communicated and understood that this was a prototype in development, it was not delivery of a finished product.
Please note: The video you have just seen is a short compilation of existing inventions to demonstrate that people have already built these types of machines and they do indeed work! Our prototype is not yet built and that is the reason for this campaign. Once we have a working model we have an investor who will fund the mass manufacturing of the Quantum Energy Generator. We are asking for $7610.00 (see budget below) to build the prototype which will take 5 weeks. ---------------------------------The potential for these systems to alleviate some of the desperation and human suffering in poor countries is immense! For example, the systems can be used to power electric water pumps anywhere that drilling equipment can be brought in to drill water wells for communities with no access to clean water. Electric light (and even satellite internet access) can be provided where people live in darkness and isolation due to lack of access to any source of power, and lack of any means to pay, even if power were available. Governments…or even private benefactors could provide the equipment, basically one-time, and serve the community for 20-25 years on a single outlay for the equipment purchase. One of the goals of distributing these systems through the Fix-The-World organization is that we want to give away two machines for each 10 machines that we sell at full price.From the IndieGoGo fund raiser TEN MONTHS ago. Note the use of the PRESENT TENSE.
Note: Due to a bad signal, we had working internet in Morocco only 3-5% of the time that we were there (which was up to 6 weeks). During this time, the free energy community of believers and non-believers were asking for data and proof of concept. To meet this demand from the public, James stayed on in Morocco and waited for someone from the UK to fly in with £50,000 in equipment necessary to produce the numbers everyone wanted to see. It took him 5 days to tune properly to produce the numbers and create this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJkNruMM6tE). James’ dedication to The People who funded this project motivated him to spend the extra 5 days producing the proof of concept everyone wanted to see. After making the video, the free energy community began a debate over what was considered “usable power vs. raw power” and also debated what the true definition of overunity is. This initiated an additional delay; James spent another 4 days documenting overnunity to provide the numbers people were demanding, and created this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhd0Ebygriw)and report (https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-may-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v1-0.doc).(sic)
As previously mentioned - the technology is known, but here is where our plan differs from all the others, and why we believe it will be successful where others have failed:This is what people believed would happen, when they donated back in September.
- We have an investor who will fund large-scale manufacturing of the QEG - once we have a working prototype - guaranteed! The QEG is the cornerstone of our offering, along with research and development into offshoot products, such as generators without moving parts, and continuous improvement and refinement of existing designs.
Here is a video of Orlando’s QEG converting VAR’s into Real Power, by using a transformer as in Herm’s paper.
I misstated in the video 50 degrees out of phase it was actually 90 degrees out of phase until I added the transformer.
Please forgive the poor quality of these videos and having to be in 2 parts.
http://i-uv.com/latest-test-from-orlando-qeg-quantum-energy-generator/
This whole affair shows what folly people are subject to.
I can't even imagine starting out on a project like this one, involving building large heavy rotating electrical assemblies expected to produce high voltage at a resonant frequency... without already having the appropriate test equipment and the knowledge to use it properly! Yet apparently people all over the world are doing that very thing, since the measurement kit has to be borrowed, flown in on an emergency basis... etc. How does anyone really hope to be able to complete a QEG, tuning and self-running, without "50 thousand pounds" in test kit? Don't worry, you can always have James sell you some of his knowledge at 300 dollars an hour. Be sure to ask him, though... why he hasn't applied all that knowledge to his own prototype to make it run itself.
I'd like to know the count of the failed cores. Three, or more? Somewhere I thought I had seen that the original Pennsylvania Prototype also shorted its core and needed rebuilding. Did the UK fully-potted core fail also, or was it another one?
Perhaps if the qeg did not use the degree of high voltage capacitors it could avoid the high voltage arcing and damage. Use lower voltage higher farads and adjust the windings accordingly. You know doing what is called designing and engineering.The problem is that they have built a machine that rather uselessly stores energy in a relatively high Q tank circuit and the means of limiting the energy is voltage breakdown. They have demonstrated multiple times that the breakdown can be the primary insulation in the core causing permanent damage, or preferentially a spark gap. In both cases, they store and then discard energy. It makes a light show. It does not generate free energy.
It took three weeks to prepare the space for the UK build and order all the parts. This included building a workshop from scratch, ordering a core and having it shipped from the US, and carefully ordering all the other parts.Could it be the construction and erection of 11 (eleven) gongs and overhead drapes that caused the delay in preparing?
One of the engineers at the UK build was invited because he was going to bring the transverter. He came with something else that he thought would do the same thing: a Marcov coil.You mean to tell me the communication between your people is that bad? Could not confirm who was to bring what? And why not bring both items? Repeat, why not bring both items? I cannot believe that. This is equivalent to bringing a Dentist to a heart transplant. And for you be-do folks, do you understand that no coil was brought over? This implemented Marcov coil is an assembled coil, wrapped around the qeg. If anything arrived it may have been a SPOOL of WIRE which surely already existed in the makeshift lab of parts donated by the biggest systems development companies in the world (add on going delusions of grandeur) http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/. Technically this Engineer did not hold their end of the bargain. I find it amazing how the very purpose of UK build was to use a transverter but said transverter was not used and was not present. Next time you turn on a fan to cool off, put a heater in front of the air flow. Do you feel my amazement?
Assembly commenced on the 4th day (assembly takes 3-4 days to complete) but on the fifth day we had special guests come to the build to conduct an unexpected spiritual business exercise. This took up the entire day.A.k.a. a smoke out.
On his last day, James worked late into the night on tuning the exciter coil. He was literally hours away from self-running when he had to leave the UK. Again, he could not finish phase 3 because we ran out of time.If James was once HOURS away from self running, then James should then be SECONDS away by now in Pennsylvania. A week has passed. Where is the self running? And while we are on this topic and James is in the states why not take this approach. Use one of the many free live stream web services to film, demo, and teach not just free energy enthusiast in the states but all over the world? This would not cost $20,000. Second input, invite over said enthusiast locally to personally view, assist, and improve on the design. This would not cost $4,000 in plane tickets.
Data results in U.K.Wait, such a thing was not provided in the wordpress update. Shucks.
James is a non-degreed engineer, meaning, he does not have the same conditioning that the traditional academic system imposes on the entire energy industry.
When they returned with the rewound core, it was discovered that the winding company wound one of the coils in the wrong direction.
If the coil is wound on a toroidal core it's hard to physically invert it. But any JTer knows the trick. Mile High has it right: swapping ends (meaning swapping polarities) of the coil is equivalent to reversing the winding direction. Most of the time. And I'm sure that the QEG would have produced exactly as much energy had they simply swapped coil ends and carried on.The one exception is with respect to the voltage gradient. But these bozos make it pretty clear that they have no understanding of H.V. or proper practices when dealing with it.
Potting the coil in epoxy was a much much bigger mistake.
Over at be-do there have been ZERO comments on Hopeless Girls full disclosure report: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team)
The Orlando team has not made a single post update for 5 days. I think they have discovered that the whole this is a crock. This will hit them hard financially as I believe they bought 3 cores.
TK: The UK team I think had two cores, one of them they blew up, but it's likely they did both of them in. That's why the work can not continue.
For those following BlackLight Power, they are doing a continuous operating power demo on July21st. I do not know if they will have the new concentrated PVs connected, but they believe they can produce between 1 - 10 MW operating off a potato with two electrodes plugged into it. Much better than the QEG for sure.
This is an interesting read if you believe hydrogen atoms can go below the ground state: http://www.scribd.com/doc/11443894/Lattice-Nested-Hydreno (http://www.scribd.com/doc/11443894/Lattice-Nested-Hydreno)
Over at be-do there have been ZERO comments on Hopeless Girls full disclosure report: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team)Sterling Allan recently interviewed Randell Mills for about an hour. After listening, my opinion of Mills could not be lower. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxheTNCDqQk He offers lots and lots of BS far beyond the hydrino fantasy.
The Orlando team has not made a single post update for 5 days. I think they have discovered that the whole this is a crock. This will hit them hard financially as I believe they bought 3 cores.
TK: The UK team I think had two cores, one of them they blew up, but it's likely they did both of them in. That's why the work can not continue.
For those following BlackLight Power, they are doing a continuous operating power demo on July21st. I do not know if they will have the new concentrated PVs connected, but they believe they can produce between 1 - 10 MW operating off a potato with two electrodes plugged into it. Much better than the QEG for sure.
This is an interesting read if you believe hydrogen atoms can go below the ground state: http://www.scribd.com/doc/11443894/Lattice-Nested-Hydreno (http://www.scribd.com/doc/11443894/Lattice-Nested-Hydreno)
Over at be-do there have been ZERO comments on Hopeless Girls full disclosure report: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team)
The Orlando team has not made a single post update for 5 days. I think they have discovered that the whole this is a crock. This will hit them hard financially as I believe they bought 3 cores.
TK: The UK team I think had two cores, one of them they blew up, but it's likely they did both of them in. That's why the work can not continue.
For those following BlackLight Power, they are doing a continuous operating power demo on July21st. I do not know if they will have the new concentrated PVs connected, but they believe they can produce between 1 - 10 MW operating off a potato with two electrodes plugged into it. Much better than the QEG for sure.
This is an interesting read if you believe hydrogen atoms can go below the ground state: http://www.scribd.com/doc/11443894/Lattice-Nested-Hydreno (http://www.scribd.com/doc/11443894/Lattice-Nested-Hydreno)
When resonance first started, it hit hard very quick! Large crack from the spark gap! The best news ...we were all very impressed how little input was needed to get this process going.
There was only 171 Watts needed from the DC motor to get resonance.
Very strong phase lock on the rotor when resonance is happening.
WE ARE ONLY IN THE BEGINNING HERE. WE SUSPECT HOURS POSSIBLY DAYS OF TUNING
Sterling Allan recently interviewed Randell Mills for about an hour. After listening, my opinion of Mills could not be lower. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxheTNCDqQk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxheTNCDqQk) He offers lots and lots of BS far beyond the hydrino fantasy.I have listened to the interview a few days ago. Mills was definitely pretty animated, but I think its due to excitement that after 20 years that he might have something that actually works. Let's wait until the next demo before making any judgments. He is definitely right about going the concentrated PV route in my opinion. Once he gets the firing rate up to about 2400/min he should be able to do a "self-runner". He really does not have to do that of coarse as power-in and power-out are easy to measure here. If there is one technology I'd drop some money into it would be this one, more so than Brillion Energy. I took a long look at the math they have produced some seven or so years ago and I think it hangs together.
It occurs to me that we are nearly in the realm of the Theory of Signal Detection (TSD) here, in the classic Shannon model.Now you are taking my language. Shannon's Rate Distortion Theory baby. Heady stuff!
I have listened to the interview a few days ago. Mills was definitely pretty animated, but I think its due to excitement that after 20 years that he might have something that actually works. Let's wait until the next demo before making any judgments. He is definitely right about going the concentrated PV route in my opinion. Once he gets the firing rate up to about 2400/min he should be able to do a "self-runner". He really does not have to do that of coarse as power-in and power-out are easy to measure here. If there is one technology I'd drop some money into it would be this one, more so than Brillion Energy. I took a long look at the math they have produced some seven or so years ago and I think it hangs together.Mills expressed Mark Goldes' like funny and appalling ideas with respect to his cold electricity generation. The last time I checked even the best triple junction PV is way below 100% efficient. That means that a significant portion of the claimed luminous energy converts to heat. All of a sudden that heat and pressure that Mills claimed was a non-factor becomes a big factor. One can drive tremendous peak power levels into confined spaces without problem as long as the average power level remains within the capacity of the cooling system. Mill's 10MW toaster is completely silly. BLP's history is one of BS beginning with Mill's debunked CQM ideas. His math has been torn to shreds by SMEs.
I have listened to the interview a few days ago. Mills was definitely pretty animated, but I think its due to excitement that after 20 years that he might have something that actually works. Let's wait until the next demo before making any judgments. He is definitely right about going the concentrated PV route in my opinion. Once he gets the firing rate up to about 2400/min he should be able to do a "self-runner". He really does not have to do that of coarse as power-in and power-out are easy to measure here. If there is one technology I'd drop some money into it would be this one, more so than Brillion Energy. I took a long look at the math they have produced some seven or so years ago and I think it hangs together.
No, I did not hear any mention of that.
I couldn't get through it, it made my teeth itch. Can you tell me, though: Did Mills or Sterling refer to the water-arc OU claims of Peter Graneau and Neal Graneau, as evidence for the validity of the BLP project and claims?
This kind of thing just isn't right.
Or, anyone could start a fundraising campaign promising anything at all. I have a starship in my backyard that will take a billion people to the planet Alpha Ophiuchi VIII because there is an asteroid bearing down on Earth that will kill everyone who remains behind. I only need donations of 20,000 dollars to finish painting the hull (and to buy toilet paper for the heads). Donors at the 100 dollar level will receive a frameable digital picture of .... etc. etc. And people will give money! But it's not right.
http://www.gofundme.com/bebbhs (http://www.gofundme.com/bebbhs)
This kind of thing just isn't right.
Or, anyone could start a fundraising campaign promising anything at all. I have a starship in my backyard that will take a billion people to the planet Alpha Ophiuchi VIII because there is an asteroid bearing down on Earth that will kill everyone who remains behind. I only need donations of 20,000 dollars to finish painting the hull (and to buy toilet paper for the heads). Donors at the 100 dollar level will receive a frameable digital picture of .... etc. etc. And people will give money! But it's not right.
http://www.gofundme.com/bebbhs
No, I did not hear any mention of that.OK, thanks. I must admit I'm surprised. Is it possible that Mills might actually not know about Peter Graneau and his water arc OU claims?
Very interesting. These guys use I assume high voltage and high current and pure water, and get a highly kinetic reaction. Mills on the other hand uses very high current, low voltage, and a hydrate catalyst and gets very high frequency light (little or no IR) and almost zero kinetics. It would indeed be interesting to get Mills's take on what difference there might be in the two reactions to current. Mills also uses a microscopic amount of water, he says just the water vapor in the air is enough to power his reaction.
I couldn't get through it, it made my teeth itch. Can you tell me, though: Did Mills or Sterling refer to the water-arc OU claims of Peter Graneau and Neal Graneau, as evidence for the validity of the BLP project and claims?
From Patrick in Taiwan
Aloha, dear FTW family and all friends and partners of active QEG CICU groups:
Today, I want to announce a very important and also wonderful update from Taiwanese QEG CICU. Our lead engineer, Mr. Li, has successfully built a mechanical overunity device prototype which has near 400% efficiency in REAL POWER: the input for drive motor is 3.7kw and the output is 15kw. This prototype can generate AC 220V in three phase and AC 127V in single phase, the current is about 58amp.
This device combines a traditional generator with a 3.7kw coupling drive motor and a set of flywheels (weight: 100kg) added on the generator. The assembling began two weeks ago, and the test run was successfully complete on July 14th. The result is very impressive: we now can load a 15kw tubular heating element in full capability while keep the drive motor running. In other words, this prototype can power every home appliance once it is tuned and hooked with the power grid.
Despite this prototype looks so fantastic, it still leaves much improvement to be done. First, it is NOT YET A SELF-RUNNING device because Mr. Li does not want to provoke too much unfriendly attention either from stubborn trolls or Taipower Company. Mr. Li also said that self-running can be achieved easily once everything is safe and sound. Second, the prototype is already too big to be categorized as a household free energy device. So we might go up the ante and develop it for community, factory, infrastructure…etc. Third, a prototype is just a prototype. Improvements like electro-mechanic control and also safety mechanism will take some time, probably few more weeks. Also, we have to discuss when and how its building instruction can be opensourced to other FTW CICUs around the world. So stay with us and keep your fingers crossed.
Finally, Mr. Li wants to appreciate FTW family for your altruistic effort and consistent support. Although this device does not go with resonance or quantum energy, it is your hands-on training program that inspires him and then comes up with such ground-breaking achievement.
"Little bit of a heads up, we are in the process of planning a free energy fundraiser event here at our home in Pennsylvania. It will be a running demonstration for the QEG and hopefully some great guest speakers. We've got lots of land here and feel confident that people would love to come see the QEG SELF RUNNING in the manger where she was originally built! The fundraiser is to help raise money to save my parents home, which they are in danger of loosing in October."
Very interesting. These guys use I assume high voltage and high current and pure water, and get a highly kinetic reaction. Mills on the other hand uses very high current, low voltage, and a hydrate catalyst and gets very high frequency light (little or no IR) and almost zero kinetics. It would indeed be interesting to get Mills's take on what difference there might be in the two reactions to current. Mills also uses a microscopic amount of water, he says just the water vapor in the air is enough to power his reaction.
I did find this: http://waterarcresearch.blogspot.com/ (http://waterarcresearch.blogspot.com/) TK you have all the components on hand to build this guys setup for sure! Just a thought, I wonder what would happen if you used a piston chamber with spark plug? Would be able to measure more accurately the energy produced by the explosion.
First, it is NOT YET A SELF-RUNNING device because Mr. Li does not want to provoke too much unfriendly attention either from stubborn trolls or Taipower Company. Mr. Li also said that self-running can be achieved easily once everything is safe and sound.
A few questions:
Now word from Taiwan has surfaced. Why now and none before?
Is this admittance Taiwan dropped the qeg project?
Will the Taiwan group under Mr. Li change their group name to something more appropriate of the device since its admitted not to involve quantum?
This device as described has been dubbed by PES Network (peswiki.com) as a QMoGen without the Q (self looping). What separates this MoGen from all the other claims?
Are there any publishing data, videos, reports, blogs, other than this 3rd party "Patrick" post in this forum? Can we be informed directly from Mr. Li?
Inarguably, self-running is the prime directive for a qmogen. I do not understand how if self-running can be easily achieved but at the same time Mr. Li gives self-running a back seat to avoid criticism of "stubborn trolls". Volitional preclusion a desired result to avoid suppression is a case of self fulfilling prophecy. Why not ignore the critics while building the device as intended. Better yet, why inform anyone at all and simply use the device for your enjoyment. That way any suppressors would not get wind of the device. Come to think of it, you BeDoCuckoo and Patrick are taking a big risk with this notification posted here.
PennsylvaniaBlog posts call him "of Harrisburg" but I find some listings in Williamsport on Hepburn ST and Dewey Ave, and also in Jersey Shore on Bear Run Rd.
Its a big state....where in PA is this fundraiser to be held ?
We would Love to help Verify her claims .
thx
ChetKremens@gmail.com
@TinselKoala,Anyone is free to refute me with facts, checkable outside references and/or demonstrations of their own. People who just want to babble like that will be allowed to do so, just so everyone can see that they are ignoring the truth, failing to provide facts of their own, and are lapping up the pablum dished out by HypeGirl/Robitalle/QEGgers. I'll leave their comments up until such posters start becoming personally insulting, which they eventually always do. Then I'll ban them from the channel.
How do you even put up with comments like this at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y)
First, its begins with assumptions. Second the rest is psycho babel jibber jabber having 0 focus on qeg, claims, or anything you said or on anything anyone said in the thread.
Months and months into this mess and the chief bench technician still does not report his power input and output measurements.
Note also that the original "working" QEG has now been taken apart. That's right out of the free energy scammer's cookbook.
Months and months into this mess and the chief bench technician still does not report his power input and output measurements.Notice how large the drive motor is. I would say 3 or 5 HP. The lights seemed brighter as result. He must be imputing between 2 and 3 3/4 KW.
Note also that the original "working" QEG has now been taken apart. That's right out of the free energy scammer's cookbook.
But the expression on Jamie's face in the first shot is priceless, isn't it? Like something from a Bugs Bunny cartoon.
TK:It will be good if he does ultimately report. I would not pin a lot of hope on that. Consider the engineers whom Steorn conned: Rice, Fennelly, and Watson. Of the three only one: Watson eventually came out and said that Steorn were FoS. And even at that he did so over their transformer BS. He still expressed belief in OU from their absurd horizontal axis step motor contraption.
Why would a "blowout" necessitate a change of core? Don't they just have to change the coil that shorted out? Presumably the physical core would be just fine.
I am licking my chops to see if we ever see Jamie at a coil winding machine where the machine goes across the whole width of the coil in a back-and-forth motion and builds up the coil layer by layer. As far as I am concerned, that would be a big mistake, and another demonstration of incompetence.
Meanwhile, I have some faint hope that the Canadian Qweegeer Kevin Blundell will eventually flip and simply report truthfully on his experience in this saga. How much money he spent, his inside information from Evens Abellard who was in Morocco and the UK, what the other groups are measuring and saying, etc.
MileHigh
TK:Finding the short and fixing it requires stripping the wires. Preventing new shorts requires stripping _all_ the wires and re-doing properly. Plus, the "new cores" are potted, to make things even more out of reach.
Why would a "blowout" necessitate a change of core? Don't they just have to change the coil that shorted out? Presumably the physical core would be just fine.
The cores are toroidal and don't separate in a "normal" manner. They need to be professionally wound using a toroidal winding machine. There is really no way to do it by hand. One of the road teams has actually built an impressive toroidal core winding machine of their own; it has my complete approval. Too bad it was done for this project. At any rate, the cores are tightly and neatly wound by professionals, at still more cost to the "replicators".
I am licking my chops to see if we ever see Jamie at a coil winding machine where the machine goes across the whole width of the coil in a back-and-forth motion and builds up a primary coil layer by layer. As far as I am concerned, that would be a big mistake, and another demonstration of incompetence.
Meanwhile, I have some faint hope that the Canadian Qweegeer Kevin Blundell will eventually flip and simply report truthfully on his experience in this saga. How much money he spent, his inside information from Evens Abellard who was in Morocco and the UK, what the other groups are measuring and saying, etc.
MileHigh
From TK
And the wave at the end like bugs saying: "thaaaats all folks"
I just watched the "UK has resonance" video and I must say these guys must be out of their minds, running a heavy rotor at such high speeds in a room full of adults and children.
If the rotor should ever lock up from a mechanical failure, it will transfer all that stored mechanical energy to the stator and take off like a cartoon buzz-saw across the room, but unlike a cartoon, people will get injured. Here is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
Notice how large the drive motor is. I would say 3 or 5 HP. The lights seemed brighter as result. He must be imputing between 2 and 3 3/4 KW.Under the noise he says "400 Watts" presumably claiming that that is what the motor is drawing. Heck, there is probably that much power in the noise, alone.
Under the noise he says "400 Watts" presumably claiming that that is what the motor is drawing. Heck, there is probably that much power in the noise, alone.
;D
I think he was referring to the load... two 200watt light bulbs. Not sure if they were at full brilliance though.
PW
Meanwhile... back at the ranch.... What's that Lassie? Timmy's in the well, again? WooF WooF Grr.... Oh, no, sorry....TK: If you do not object I'd like to post this over at be-do as a solid state alternative to the mechanical QEG with a request that it be up scaled to 10 KW. The world needs to know about this incredible breakthrough. He he! Oh but you are not taking things seriously enough with the posted description, so best not. Interesting that the I & V in the primary are nearly in phase, do you have an explanation for that?
TEXAS HAS RESONANCE !! OVERUNITY IN VARs !! Conversion of reactive power to real power! Woof!
Introducing the TKTickler MicroQEG Solid State Quantum Energy Generator. Microseconds away from self-looping! That's no barking dog!
8) :P
Video uploading now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk)
_Now_ I can haz cheezburger?
TK: If you do not object I'd like to post this over at be-do as a solid state alternative to the mechanical QEG with a request that it be up scaled to 10 KW. The world needs to know about this incredible breakthrough. He he! Oh but you are not taking things seriously enough with the posted description, so best not. Interesting that the I & V in the primary are nearly in phase, do you have an explanation for that?
Meanwhile... back at the ranch.... What's that Lassie? Timmy's in the well, again? WooF WooF Grr.... Oh, no, sorry....
TEXAS HAS RESONANCE !! OVERUNITY IN VARs !! Conversion of reactive power to real power! Woof!
Introducing the TKTickler MicroQEG Solid State Quantum Energy Generator. Microseconds away from self-looping! That's no barking dog!
8) :P
Video uploading now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk)
_Now_ I can haz cheezburger?
Heh...
I just want to make it perfectly clear to those who might not know: there is nothing faked in that video and anyone can reproduce the results themselves. The parts to make the circuit probably cost less than 10 dollars, the mosfets are IRF3205, dirt cheap, and you don't have to use precision caps, just good ones. There are things wrong with the video and the "claims" and I hope people discuss them, but there is nothing wrong with the apparatus or the measurements per se. This is not a "cheese power" demonstration! The measurements and the circuit are 100 percent real and just as I present them in the video.
The EE types and experienced experimenters already know this but I just wanted to make it clear to any lurkers who might be suspicious but not have the experience to judge for themselves.
I've had the Tek 2213a for some years. It's a nice simple and reliable scope with enough bandwidth for my general purposes and has a trigger delay feature that's useful. I wish it could do a mixed straight and delayed screen like the HP180a can do, but one gets what one pays for I suppose. I paid 125 dollars CDN for it at Active Surplus in Toronto, carried it home on the subway. At one point one channel went to the DC offset peg, due to my ambient UHV experimentation, blew an input stage FET and the associated PiN diode. It was relatively easy to replace the parts and re-calibrate once I discovered that the 2213a uses the 2215 front-end, not the 2213 front end.
TK, do you live in the GTA? I used to got ot Toronto Surplu, Electro Sonic, and Sayal a lot.Nope, I'm back in Texas now, probably for good. I know all those stores well, have several items of kit from Marchand at TO Surplus, shopped at the Sayal off Dixie Rd. in Mississauga for routine electronics parts, went into Active Surplus on Queen St in downtown TO every weekend, etc.
Live west of Milton now.
We would like you to come to our monthly inventors meeting in North York; read about it : www.inventorscircle.org/ (http://www.inventorscircle.org/)
I was hoping that the QEG would be an efficient enough generator to use as the generator in a qmogen
solution if it wasn't overunity itself...But Nooooooo. I favor any overunity solution as long as the QEG functions
as more than an expensive hood ornament. JR. firmly believes that the QEG works if only he can buy enough
expensive instrumentation to entice those VARS to come out! So be it.
I am in Houston quite often; are you near there?No, not really, and like a fine wine, I don't travel well. I used to have relatives in Houston though... so I feel your pain.
TK: If you do not object I'd like to post this over at be-do as a solid state alternative to the mechanical QEG with a request that it be up scaled to 10 KW. The world needs to know about this incredible breakthrough. He he! Oh but you are not taking things seriously enough with the posted description, so best not. Interesting that the I & V in the primary are nearly in phase, do you have an explanation for that?
TK: I'm waiting with interest to hear more about the measurement problem. Very insightful. Doing a spice simulation of your circuit. Going to ground it to make it a true OU Tesla machine.Based on history you are going out on quite a long limb. It would be wonderful if Mills could deliver. The problem is that his science is really, really bad. That makes his chances of delivering basically nil. It is not as though after the recent demonstrations some bright bulbs from MIT or Cal-Tech have jumped up and endorsed him.
I feel like I'm watching cubs build the school girl motor. http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/active-qeg-builders-cicus/519-transverter-for-qeg (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/active-qeg-builders-cicus/519-transverter-for-qeg) I think this provides quit a bit of insight into the technical prowess of be-do developers. Its might be time to move on and let the gong banging QEGers do there thing in piece. When folks wake up to BLP in the next few months this, Rossi and the rest will be blown aside. You heard it here first. I might be going out on a bit of of limb, and I know there are many doubters, but Mills is going to give the world of Physics one mighty headache.
Based on history you are going out on quite a long limb. It would be wonderful if Mills could deliver. The problem is that his science is really, really bad. That makes his chances of delivering basically nil. It is not as though after the recent demonstrations some bright bulbs from MIT or Cal-Tech have jumped up and endorsed him.Mark I've followed these guys for a very long time. I disagree that the science is bad. I've looked over it in much detail, as have some of my colleagues. His model has very good predictive qualities for chemistry, material science, etc. Also read this investor comment (most recent) http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/07/11/blacklight-powers-randell-mills-interview-product-deployment-very-quickly/ (http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/07/11/blacklight-powers-randell-mills-interview-product-deployment-very-quickly/) Like I said before best to wait and see. I'm keeping my figures crossed that the video of today's demo is going to be a little more impressive than those presented so far. I'm thinking it will be based on the snippet video I post earlier. I for one appreciate seeing the steps they are going through to make a workable system. This is rapid prototyping in it purest form, and obviously not a real product. He has had many dead ends, but now Mills is all fired up and ready to go!
Mark I've followed these guys for a very long time. I disagree that the science is bad. I've looked over it in much detail, as have some of my colleagues. His model has very good predictive qualities for chemistry, material science, etc. Also read this investor comment (most recent) http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/07/11/blacklight-powers-randell-mills-interview-product-deployment-very-quickly/ (http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/07/11/blacklight-powers-randell-mills-interview-product-deployment-very-quickly/) Like I said before best to wait and see. I'm keeping my figures crossed that the video of today's demo is going to be a little more impressive than those presented so far. I'm thinking it will be based on the snippet video one I post earlier. I for one appreciate seeing the steps they are going through to make a workable system. He has had many dead ends, but now Mills is all fired up and ready to go!I do not wish to derail this thread into a debate about Mills and BLP. Given the amount of time that has passed one could easily argue that time has told the tale. In the final analysis, Mills will either finally deliver, or the game will just continue to go on as it has. If you want to discuss this more at greater length, then please wake up one of the BLP threads.
Scoposcopy: Phase 2: Does a Current Transformer type current sense coil introduce a phase shift into its measurement of current waveforms? How can you tell? How can you measure phase relationships accurately on an analog oscilloscope that does not have "numbers in boxes" for you? Just what the heck are those x-y settings and those marks on the graticule for anyhow? Little red knobs on the attenuator and timebase knobs?Watched part two. I would have expected the phase shift of your Rogowski coil be have been 90 degrees so was surprised to see it was only 72 degrees. I guess it must be being affected by coils own capacitance and resistance?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVwyt0EKHlU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVwyt0EKHlU)
Does the Stangenes current transformer used by the FTW QEGgers introduce phase artifacts of its own? How about their Fluke and Tek current clamps?
Next vid: comparing the toroidal and solenoidal current transformer coils, tomorrow probably.
@TinselKoalaThanks for the links, it is very useful to have them all in one place.
I forgot this link http://www.interferencetechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Wyatt_NA_DDG12.pdf (http://www.interferencetechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Wyatt_NA_DDG12.pdf)
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@TinselKoalaThe principles are good, but the specific clamps are directed at much higher frequencies than in TinselKoala's application.
I forgot this link http://www.interferencetechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Wyatt_NA_DDG12.pdf
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The principles are good, but the specific clamps are directed at much higher frequencies than in TinselKoala's application.Yes, I forgot to mention that. Those are like 10Mhz up, and I'm working at 300 kHz or so. Although I have a 5 MHz system in the works for another purpose.
@TinselKoalaIt is surprisingly tricky to make a really good current sensor that has a wide bandwidth and tight accuracy. Tektronix has an excellent system that works from DC to past 100MHz, but costs about $6000. to get started. Much narrower bandwidths are much easier. Off the shelf $3. Hall Effect sensors manage 80kHz. Many switching power supplies these days need to sense from DC to several MHz for pennies. By far the most popular option is a current sense resistor of some form. If one uses a low inductance configuration and/or compensates for the inductance that is intrinsic then one can get clean measurements without spending much money, all with certain caveats. TinselKoala is running well below 1MHz. There are a number of good options for him.
"The QEG people have also spoken of a Fluke current clamp something like this:
http://www.transcat.com/Catalog/productdetail.aspx?itemnum=I310S&utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&gclid=CMvG-oLi4r8CFZTm7AodxnIAug
and I have no idea about what artifacts it might introduce into a measurement. I'd sure like to own one though."
It Bandwidth is from dc to 1 kHz so it's does not work for 400kHz or 1Mhz!
Her an excerpt from the Manufacturer PDF on the same link:
"Output Sensitivity 10 mV/A (30 A)
1 mV/A (300 A)
Accuracy
(30 A range) ± 1 % of reading ± 50 mA
(300 A range) ± 1 % of reading ± 300 mA
@25 °C, Bandwidth dc to 1 kHz
Bandwidth to Meet Accuracy Specification 1 kHz
Phase Shift below 1 kHz < 2 degrees
Resolution
± 50 mA (30 A)
± 100 mA (300 A)
Load impedance > 10 k Ω and ≤ 100 pF"
@MarkE
"The principles are good, but the specific clamps are directed at much higher frequencies than in TinselKoala's application."
Yes I know, but I had some difficulties to find good links in english.
http://www.coilcraft.com/pwrsense.cfm, a example of industrial 50kHz to 1MHz CT.
http://www.digikey.com/Web%20Export/Common/icons/datasheet.png
For the this range of frequency, the the theory is the same.
Here a link in french: http://books.google.fr/books?id=b3-SFGPYJs4C&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=th%C3%A9orie+transfo+courant+hf&source=bl&ots=R8Yh6Yx8SY&sig=gXhjzx2wvz2-4KODTSU46nNVzN0&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=JanPU_OfMfLZ0QXRu4DQBw&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAzge#v=onepage&q=th%C3%A9orie%20transfo%20courant%20hf&f=false
1) If ωc is the low cutoff frequency ωc=R/L , R must be low and L big to have a low ωc...
More, the tranfert function is Vs/Is= k* ( i*ω/ωc)/(1+ i*ω/ωc) with (i=sqt(-1))
and the phase shift: phi=atn(ωc/ω), so Phi is neat zero if ωc<<ω...
(if i don't make an error...)
2) The high limit is set by the core loss...
And the phase depend mainly of ω/ωc.
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@MarEThere are also methods to use the coil itself as the sensor based on the coil resistance and inductance. A lot of high current power supplies use that sort of method in order to avoid the power loss of a dedicated current sense resistor. I have a colleague who is very good at implementing that method. I'd rather avoid all the work and just use a dedicated current sense resistor of an appropriate value and power rating whenever I can.
"By far the most popular option is a current sense resistor of some form. If one uses a low inductance configuration..."
I agree totally with you. A 0.01 ohm purely resistive load even at 20A is perfect for these frequency.
And the signal it's large enough to make phase measurement...
And it cost nothing if made of thin wire of Cu, brass or even iron, if we keep R low enough. It's even possible to adjust R by scraping the little wire.
Just connect the ground probe between the R and the coil!
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There are also methods to use the coil itself as the sensor based on the coil resistance and inductance. A lot of high current power supplies use that sort of method in order to avoid the power loss of a dedicated current sense resistor. I have a colleague who is very good at implementing that method. I'd rather avoid all the work and just use a dedicated current sense resistor of an appropriate value and power rating whenever I can.That is exactly what I am trying to do, to use the primary coil itself as the sensor for the current magnitude. Its DC resistance is negligible and its inductance is about 4.25 microHenry so its reactance at 303 kHz is about 8.1 Ohms. Neglecting capacitance which, in spite of the TBF winding, is also probably negligible, and solving Ip-p=Vp-p/Z I arrive at the p-p current value of about 10 A in the coil. But phase information is lacking and I thought that the CT method might inform me of the phase shift in the current, and it apparently has done. I think I am measuring a true phase shift of about 87 degrees. So using the Vp-p measured across the coil as both straight V and also for the I by the previous logic, and then solving (Vrms)x(Irms)x(cos87) I arrive at about 5.4 Watts real power in the coil, which tallies well with the input power to the system, being about 80 percent of the input. At least it is of the same order! Please let me know what you all think of the "legitimacy" of this procedure.
That is exactly what I am trying to do, to use the primary coil itself as the sensor for the current magnitude. Its DC resistance is negligible and its inductance is about 4.25 microHenry so its reactance at 303 kHz is about 8.1 Ohms. Neglecting capacitance which, in spite of the TBF winding, is also probably negligible, and solving Ip-p=Vp-p/Z I arrive at the p-p current value of about 10 A in the coil. But phase information is lacking and I thought that the CT method might inform me of the phase shift in the current, and it apparently has done. I think I am measuring a true phase shift of about 87 degrees. So using the Vp-p measured across the coil as both straight V and also for the I by the previous logic, and then solving (Vrms)x(Irms)x(cos87) I arrive at about 5.4 Watts real power in the coil, which tallies well with the input power to the system, being about 80 percent of the input. At least it is of the same order! Please let me know what you all think of the "legitimacy" of this procedure.If you know the wire gauge and length then we can estimate the DC resistance. But if jwL ~= 8.1 Ohms at the operating frequency and you've got 10A p-p ~= 7.1A rms ~= 50W/Ohm then as isim suggested, a 0.01Ohm 1W or larger non-inductive Kelvin resistor would do the job with no muss and no fuss.
Now, all this might just be hand-waving and coincidence of errors, and I'm definitely learning the trade here. But I may be able to make better measurements as I get more information and comments and help as we have been doing here!
Unfortunately the tank circuit is very sensitive and inserting a CSR in series must be done carefully and with the right components. Every time I've tried it, even using the very good Ohmite NI resistors of 0.25 ohm, the resistors heat up rapidly so I only have seconds to take a scopeshot, but when I do I get Vdrop values that are relatively in line with current calculations based on the coil and its inductance alone.
Now... the real issue I am trying to address and that I don't want to bury, is the "real" QEG current measurement using their Stangenes CT. Note that in the image below, the CT is connected to a BNC-to-Banana adapter and a scope probe is connected by its spring clips to the adapter. (insert facepalm here).
What phase artifacts are being introduced here? In later pics they do appear to have the transformer connected with an actual patch cord instead of the kludge, but the issue of _their_ actual and measured phase shift remains to be answered.
ETA: even when they used the actual patch cord... did they remember to set the scope channel's input impedance to 50 ohms instead of the default 1 megohm?
Inquiring minds want to know. Was this item used as C-to-V as I believe, or as C-to-C ?
@TinselKoalaSure, I got it, but I think I'm already ahead of you. See above... I was able to use my 0.25 ohm Ohmite stack without as much disruption and heating as I expected, and I think I have valid results now. I'll try your suggestion anyway, as well, if I have time. Thanks for working on this! Please review my results above and let me know what you think. Why am I not seeing a full 90 degrees phase shift, or at least 87?
R=Rho*l/S with Rho=1.7*E-8 Ohm m, l the lenght in meter, S the surface in m²
3cm of Cu wire solded (inserted), on one of the cutted leg of your air coil, may do the work.
you can even etalon the R with a DC current and a meter.
Don't forget to put 2 perpendiculaires wire on each end of th R, the have 2 goods connections points.
I don't have time this evening, but if you wont I will send you a drawing tomorow if this little schema don't make sens.
One leg: --------------
// : the break in the leg
X : solder
Wire who make resistor R : ____________
And |1 and |2 the 2 connections points well define
_____________
-----------------X------//-------X-------- Wounded coil
|1 |2 | |
| |
------------------------------------------ Wounded coil
R=0.02 ohm is enough, at 10A you get 0.2V with P=0.02W...
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The microQEG primary coil wire is about 171 cm of solid copper wire with diameter 1.59 mm. The coil is wound on a 3.25 inch OD cardboard form, 6 turns "Tesla BiFilar" closewound spaced by insulation, with 3 inch leadin legs. My inductance meter reads it between 4 and 5 microHenry and calculations seem to indicate it is right about 4.25 uH.The DC resistance of that winding is about 15mOhms. It is enough to use directly with a scope that has 20mV/div sensitivity to look at a 7Arms signal.
Unfortunately I am up against the limitations of my kit, I fear. I can't easily measure fractional-ohm resistances precisely so making a custom shunt for 0.01 ohms would be a matter of guesswork.
So what's wrong now with just using the Ohmite 0.25 ohm stack as I have used it? It does produce some droop in the voltage but that is acceptable at this point, since it doesn't overheat very rapidly like I thought it would based on earlier experiments.The resistance that you insert alters the phase angle. 0.25 Ohms against jwL = 8 Ohms is about a 3 degree distortion. 0.25 Ohms is about 6W dissipation per resistor at 7A rms. That's a lot of stress to impose on sub 1W resistors.
Meanwhile, here's another video update, showing what the QEG people have never, to my knowledge, been able to show from their constructions: running a motor from the output of the microQEG, with full and efficient RPM control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXrhRqlQE4
Those slackers! If they can't run a motor off their output, how are they ever going to get to self-looping? Are they tearing their hair (what's left of it) out right now? Or, perhaps they are working feverishly day and night, getting "resonance in the power band" over and over, reading those FAQs on be-do, yet flicking the switch and watching their baby die, deader than a doorknob, each and every time they try it.
The resistance that you insert alters the phase angle. 0.25 Ohms against jwL = 8 Ohms is about a 3 degree distortion. 0.25 Ohms is about 6W dissipation per resistor at 7A rms. That's a lot of stress to impose on sub 1W resistors.
So what's wrong now with just using the Ohmite 0.25 ohm stack as I have used it? It does produce some droop in the voltage but that is acceptable at this point, since it doesn't overheat very rapidly like I thought it would based on earlier experiments.
Meanwhile, here's another video update, showing what the QEG people have never, to my knowledge, been able to show from their constructions: running a motor from the output of the microQEG, with full and efficient RPM control.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXrhRqlQE4
Those slackers! If they can't run a motor off their output, how are they ever going to get to self-looping? Are they tearing their hair (what's left of it) out right now? Or, perhaps they are working feverishly day and night, getting "resonance in the power band" over and over, reading those FAQs on be-do, yet flicking the switch and watching their baby die, deader than a doorknob, each and every time they try it.
Ahah TK, there is the only useful output is the motor or light bulb or other intended useful output. (The reason for the input in a real world situation) is the useful intended output. So what is the DC power output to the motor (just roughly). ;)
And the unloaded and loaded input powers ?
Cheers
The loaded and unloaded input powers can be seen in the video above.
But why are you demanding more from me, than the world is demanding from FTW QEG, James Robitaille and all the rest of the QEG teams around the world? I have already shown you much more than any of them have done, and I haven't even gotten a cheezburger for it. While the FTW people have spent, all told, something like half a million dollars and still haven't even run a motor on their outputs.
I'll tell you what. As soon as any of the big QEG teams demonstrates valid output measurements while their QEG powers a motor (not the other way around), I'll show the power output measurements from the TKTransverter powering MY motor. Fair enough?
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Well I'll tell you why. The reason is because I'm not really interested in what they are doing and claiming, they are full of it.Well, yes, they are but I think many of "them" are just dupes, hopeful believers in what they've been told and what was implied to them by HopeGirl and James Robitaille. I think a lot of those people would not have jumped in with both feet so quickly, had James and HopeGirl made sure that the Truth was fully known to those people in the beginning. At the present time I know that there are still other people and groups who are thinking about taking the plunge and spending thousands of dollars on what we know will be a failed project. If any of those people or groups, viewing my videos, will simply slow down and wait at least until James himself shows the long-promised, only-hours-away self running QEG before spending their own money, then that is a good result. And if it turns out that James _cannot_ in fact demonstrate any self runner, then those people might be a little thankful for my videos. Or maybe not, whatever. I'll know it was all worthwhile, if someone only sends me a cheezburger.
But I am interested in what you are doing and showing and what more you can show and likely will show. I hope I didn't read asNo worries mate, I'm just trying to make things perfectly clear to whoever might be watching. Suppress me, will they? I have tricks I haven't shown anyone yet.
demanding. Just asking.
I might well try a similar setup, but I won't be getting as serious about the measurements, unless I seeThe loop power is shown in the scopeshot above and in the video. This is "loaded", running the light, and running the motor doesn't change it much. Raises the frequency a little bit, draws a bit more current and since the battery is flat, the loop voltage sags a few volts. The loaded input power can be seen in the video above, where I vary the coupling by rotating the inner TransVerter coil while you can hear the motor and see the input DMM readings. What you are (rightly) calling the "output power" will just have to wait, sorry, until we see something like that from FTW QEG builders.
something out of the ordinary.
I'll look closer at the video. :)
I guess I should be asking for
1) The loaded input and output as well as the loop power.
2) The unloaded input and loop power. (No load no output)Unloaded input power is seen at the very beginning of the video. Well, the LEDs are lit but I'm told that that isn't really a load. Right. Loop power, as I said, doesn't change much whether or not the device is loaded. Input power goes up with load, as you might expect, and this is shown in the video.
I must say I'm probably a bit confused. Are you considering the power dissipated by the CSR as "output" ?Not really, although it is included in the loop for measurement purposes.
Because I thinkI am sure that you can run a motor, completely disconnected, from your TCs if you make a resonant receiver according to the principles shown in the video. Use a tank capacitor close to the value of the TC's distributed capacitance, wind a corresponding air core or ferrite core inductor to make the "receiver" resonate at the TC's frequency (doesn't need to be a clean straight single layer solenoid like the TC's secondary), lead an ultrafast, HV diode off one side of the tank into a reservoir cap (very important) and then hook the motor across the reservoir cap.
that is valid. In that case then 2) would include asking for the output.
My small Tesla coils with the bottom of the secondary connected can also run a small DC motor so I think I can not really replicate but show similar. By the time I get the circuit made up this thread might be dead.
I think your TKTransverter looks like the secondary of an air core resonant transformer.
This is exactly my opinion as well. When I found out Ruslan is closely associated with a commercial FM broadcast station, that sealed the deal as far as I am concerned. And the newest Wesley video is a hoot, isn't it? People walking a couple feet away from a kW-class TC with a big toroid on top, video cameras in hand... I am laughing in my coffee.
It is my opinion that some fakers use that method by hiding the primary and just showing the secondary with load. Or they similarly do as some of us have done with two transformers and show the receiver transformer of a two transformer setup
and by hiding (not showing) the transmitter (power supply) they can use one wire and call it the Earth wire and say they are
getting power from the ground. The system will work with both the transmitter and receiver transformers both connected to the same Earth stake (which is more efficient than putting ground between two earth stakes at HF) but that's off topic, slightly related. Akula - Tariel territory.
Less losses to go directly from primary to the secondary with load if no distance is to be overcome.
I agree with your review.
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P.S. I simply think of the "transmitter" of a two transformer setup as the "AC generator" power supply and the receiver as the translating device. AC generator meaning a generator of AC power from a DC input.
So it's basic power supply to transformer stuff with some resonance.
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The resistors are 5 watt resistors, aren't they? WNER50FETwo issues. I misinterpreted the pp as the half peak, so there's a big difference there. RMS is 0.1250.5*pp or 0.354*Vpp. The second is that I thought you were using 1W resistors instead of 5W resistors. 11App = 15.13A2 mean squared, or 15.13W/Ohm. Total dissipation in two 0.5 Ohm resistors in parallel will be 3.78W, and 1.9W in each resistor. So the bottom line is that you should be fine.
And at 11 Amps p-p, that is only about 3.9 A rms, isn't it?
http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/Voltage-rms-calculator.php (http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/Voltage-rms-calculator.php)
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There has been MORE open sourcing and publishing of results and metrics on page 134 of this thread covering the miniqeg than what was came out of the entire 9 months of this FTW qeg boondoggle.
When the tv documentaries cover this qeg craze as they have so many other cults I hope they use this thread and TK efforts to show real open sourcing as a comparison to how FTW should have done it.
Take a look at this video where a guy wakes up to qeg fraud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaTrlfU-Zzg
There has been MORE open sourcing and publishing of results and metrics on page 134 of this thread covering the miniqeg than what was came out of the entire 9 months of this FTW qeg boondoggle.
When the tv documentaries cover this qeg craze as they have so many other cults I hope they use this thread and TK efforts to show real open sourcing as a comparison to how FTW should have done it.
Take a look at this video where a guy wakes up to qeg fraud: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaTrlfU-Zzg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaTrlfU-Zzg)
Two issues. I misinterpreted the pp as the half peak, so there's a big difference there. RMS is 0.1250.5*pp or 0.354*Vpp. The second is that I thought you were using 1W resistors instead of 5W resistors. 11App = 15.13A2 mean squared, or 15.13W/Ohm. Total dissipation in two 0.5 Ohm resistors in parallel will be 3.78W, and 1.9W in each resistor. So the bottom line is that you should be fine.That's good because I feel fine. ;)
The resistance that you insert alters the phase angle. 0.25 Ohms against jwL = 8 Ohms is about a 3 degree distortion. (snip)Ok, that's expected. Now I believe that the true phase angle should be close to 90 degrees, probably around 87 degrees. A couple of different measurements have arrived at the 72 degree value, though, like this most recent one with the CSR. I would like to be able to "balance the books" if you know what I mean. So what can account for the reduced phase angle I seem to be measuring on the scope? How can I tease out the separate contributions to the phase angle measurement, without spending any money or developing special instrumentation buffer amps and filter networks?
Ok, that's expected. Now I believe that the true phase angle should be close to 90 degrees, probably around 87 degrees. A couple of different measurements have arrived at the 72 degree value, though, like this most recent one with the CSR. I would like to be able to "balance the books" if you know what I mean. So what can account for the reduced phase angle I seem to be measuring on the scope? How can I tease out the separate contributions to the phase angle measurement, without spending any money or developing special instrumentation buffer amps and filter networks?I suspect that any erroneous phase shift is caused by:
@TinselKoalaI've tried to keep the tank circuit current paths as short and symmetrical as possible and I'm using heavy conductors and huge copper areas on the PCB. I am pretty sure there isn't any great resistance introduced in this current path by my construction.These most recent measurements were done with IRF830 mosfets though. Could the higher Rdss of these mosfets be the "missing resistance" in the tank circuit to account for the phase discrepancy? But the mosfets are in screw-clamp sockets for ease of replacement, these may be introducing a little bit of series resistance over what a soldered connection would do.
"Ok, that's expected. Now I believe that the true phase angle should be close to 90 degrees, probably around 87 degrees. A couple of different measurements have arrived at the 72 degree value, though, like this most recent one with the CSR. I would like to be able to "balance the books" if you know what I mean. So what can account for the reduced phase angle I seem to be measuring on the scope? How can I tease out the separate contributions to the phase angle measurement, without spending any money or developing special instrumentation buffer amps and filter networks? "
I do a simulation of your miniQEG, and I found that to have a Phase shift of 74° (approximately), I need to load the OC(oscillating circuit) with a serial resistor of approximately r=1.5ohm (plus R=0.25ohm). For me this resistor is:
1) an default in your circuit. (I don't thinks so)
2) an external load, your "receptor" for example.
3) an other parasitic load???
If this resistor is <0.5ohm the shift phase become 87°...
I will give you more information and pictures tomorrow evening.
Can you do a test with and without the "receptor"?
Thanks
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I suspect that any erroneous phase shift is caused by:I think I'm following you here but it would be nice, just to be sure, if you could sketch up a little diagram of the divider and the connections to DUT and scope.
1) Induction loop between scope probe commons and the scope chassis, and/or
2) Parasitic loading of the voltage measurement.
I would try the following:
Make up a 501:1 50 Ohm resistor divider ( 25K Ohm / 50 Ohm ), with the common side of the 50 Ohm reistor to the current probe common and use that with straight coax to the scope set for 50 Ohms at the input. The 25K load will be very light on the 75V pp signal, and you will still have 150mV pp to work with.
I think I'm following you here but it would be nice, just to be sure, if you could sketch up a little diagram of the divider and the connections to DUT and scope.At 50 Ohms, the divider impedance should be low enough that it is essentially unaffected at 300kHz by a normal 10X probe. The 10 Meg resistor is optional. Without it, the attenuation is 501V/V instead of 500V/V.
The Tek 2213a's inputs are hardwired to 1 megohm impedance, and so are the HP180a's and the RM503's. I think I can set the Link DSO's input impedance to 50 ohms, let me fire it up and check.
ETA: Nope, the Link inputs are also hardwired at 1 Meg, 5 pf.
At 50 Ohms, the divider impedance should be low enough that it is essentially unaffected at 300kHz by a normal 10X probe. The 10 Meg resistor is optional. Without it, the attenuation is 501V/V instead of 500V/V.
Ok.. but let's back up a square or two.You are getting loaded down somewhere that is not clear. I ran some numbers on representative scope probe models and garden variety 10X probes should not be causing the amount of phase shift from 90 degrees that you are seeing. Some thought is required.
If I remove the 0R25 CVR and go back to the unadulterated tank circuit, I can get an accurate measure of the voltage swing in the tank simply by connecting the 10x probe with its 1 meg impedance and its about 25 pF capacitance directly across the coil. This measurement will be phase shifted very slightly by the probe, but if both channels use matched probes these shifts should be equal in both channels, right?
But... if I have an accurate measure of the voltage swing in the tank, this is _also_ equivalent to the Vdrop across the tank's impedance, isn't it? And thus this waveform can be converted into the _amplitude_ waveform of the current, by the AC version of Ohm's Law. All that is lacking for the power determination is the true phase of the calculated current waveform wrt the measured voltage waveform. Both have been shown to be pure sinusoids. So, if the impedance is known, and the phase angle is known (from some other measurement that may not provide current amplitude information) the real power can be calculated by the Vrms * Irms * cos(theta) equation. Right?
Several different methods have shown that the current p-p amplitude is in the 8-10 A range. The most best method of determining the true phase angle comes up with right about 90 degrees unloaded and about 72 degrees loaded. I think.
So is it actually possible to dispense with dividers and CSRs and such, and actually use the loop itself as its own current monitor, and derive the true current amplitude as described above? And is there some other, non-intrusive, way of confirming the true phase shift in the signals themselves, as opposed to the measurements of the signals?
I do have a 100x probe, brand new, if that will help at all.
You are getting loaded down somewhere that is not clear. I ran some numbers on representative scope probe models and garden variety 10X probes should not be causing the amount of phase shift from 90 degrees that you are seeing. Some thought is required.Well, think about this then. Phase angle data derived from cursor positions wrt the zero-crossings of the two signals, using the 10x probes, in two conditions: TKTransverter (receptor) in place driving light and motor; and no receptor in place. Measurements taken within minutes of each other, basically just time taking the screenshots.
Any load that dissipates energy should pull the thing off of 90 degrees. That includes internal dissipation. The 90.8 degrees is believable. The greater the actual load power the less the resonator rings, which of course you know.Of course, and that is one of the points of this whole exploration. One can indeed convert the resonant tank's "Overunity in VARs" into Real Power that can power a load and be dissipated in the load. But as one increases the load, the "OU" drops and drops, until one is drawing power out of the tank as fast as the prime mover source can replace it and there is no voltage rise in the resonant tank. The QEG's Q has plummeted, turned into a zero, so to speak.
FIX THE WORLD PUBLIC STATEMENT:
We are not in the prove it business, we are in the do it business. We are doing the work, teaching others how to do it and showing the process so that it is available to all. The most important thing is to get this technology directly into the hands of the people, which is what we are doing. Our working prototype will be proven to the world through the people who believe in free energy enough to do the work needed to bring it out of suppression. Therefore the people will be the ones to make the announcements, which will be more effective, and the people will get all the glory.
130 years ago, Nikola Tesla designed an over unity fuelless generator that could provide enough power to power your home. This technology was heavily suppressed as a way to control the people of this planet through dependence on oil. Tesla’s designs and patents are in the public domain.
Through research, study, help from others, divine inspiration, and over 30 years of electronics engineering experience, James Robitaille of the Fix the World Organization (FTW) took one 1-hour class with an organization who has been building (and suppressing) these generators for over 20 years, and was able to figure out how to build it. We raised the money for the prototype through crowdfunding and donations from over 1,000 people who believed in us. It took us 5 months to build the prototype, and once we got raw power, on March 25th of 2014 we open sourced the plans and gave away the technology to the world. Our Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) provides 10KW of power output for less than 1KW input, which it supplies to itself. Now that this raw power source is achieved and shared so freely, there will be many variations and improvements. Humanity will be co-developing the future of the QEG, and will be free from the enslavement of the oil and energy industries.
Immediately after open sourcing the Fix the World QEG family attended a Prepare for Change Cobra conference in Taipei. We showed a presentation video of the QEG working prototype. Many who attended that conference are spreading the QEG knowledge all over the world. Cobra and his contacts from the light forces came to the factory where we are building QEGs to observe the operation for themselves. They are very impressed and we have the full backing and support of the Resistance Movement. Plans for larger scale production and parts sourcing are underway.
Teams of engineers are forming in more countries than we can count to build QEG’s. Our first hands on experience is here in Taiwan with a group of engineers, many of which came from China who plan to bring the knowledge back to China. These “Men of China” have spent a small fortune and waited for a month just to get Visas to be here in Taiwan for QEG training. They have raised a large sum of money to begin QEG production in China. We were told from a high level contact that the QEG plans will be shared with 5,000 engineers in China who will be making as many innovations on the QEG as possible and open sourcing the plans for each one.
Already we have seen plans for improvements and innovations to the QEG, the engineers of the world are taking full creative license on what can be done once you have achieved an over unity power source. Many are very excited.
One of our suppliers Torelco, is extremely excited about the high demand for processed cores, and many orders have been placed in the last week from all over the world. They are rearranging their workforce to handle the demand and working to get the best possible price for people. They are charging $3,000 for the complete processed core which is a great price, and does not include shipping.
We recommend Torelco for purchasing a finished core which includes laminated steel core and rotor, all mica components, magnet wire, sleeving, spacer blocks, mylar tape and outerwrap tape, 8 inch through-bolts, nuts, washers, Nomex corner insulation and toroidal winding. Since open sourcing, we have learned that our other supplier, Polaris, will charge you double for the bare generator sets. Torelco will give you a much better price for a bare core as well. As FTW continues to roll out the distribution plan, and more connections across the world are made, we think CICUs will be commonplace and hence, QEG parts will be more accessible (many people will be making them!)
Please Watch for Updated User Manuals as development progresses. They will be here: http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/qeg-open-source-documents.html (http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/qeg-open-source-documents.html)
FTW Next Steps for QEG(emphasis mine)
We are getting more questions than we can answer individually, and we want to help as much as we can. To help with this information flow we will be doing a free weekly radio show with James Robitaille and HopeGirl on Mission I’m Possible Radio called “Ask James about the QEG”. Here, people can call in or send questions that James and Hope will answer on the air. The shows will be archived, and we will find a transcriber to type out all of the Questions and Answers and post them in forums for others to find the answers they need. Check the radio station for scheduled show times: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/expandinguradio (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/expandinguradio)
@Tinselkoala,Before I take your money ( maybe ;) ) I would like you to define exactly what you mean by "work" in this context. How will the solenoidal coil work differently than the TBC? I have not yet tried it, so I don't know. But you seem to.... so please, before I start, what is your exact prediction?
"I will also make another loop coil with ordinary solenoidal winding but the same amount of wire, for comparison. But of course that will remove the "tesla magic" from my apparatus".
I'll bet you any amount of money it won't work!
There is a recent post suggesting that successfully "conditioning" the QEG using the exciter coil to achieve OU could take weeks, months and possibly even years - various reference sources are sited to prove there point of view. They point to the fact that the exciter coil is not required once conditioned. We are now in the realm of metaphysics and religion, and this is the perfect out for Hopeless Girl and Jamie. I guess they will set up a commune or some thing on "all that land they have."They won't have all that land very long once a good lawyer or two gets hold of this story. The people who spent their money based on the lies, false claims and promises made were defrauded, plain and simple. Just because much of that money may not have made it directly into the pockets or vacation funds of HopeGirl and James Robitaille doesn't absolve them of legal liability. In my opinion of course; I am not a lawyer. But if I were one of the builders... I would certainly be consulting with one right about now.
The whole thing has already gone tits up. The Florida guys have not been heard from in quite a while after posting several videos measuring reactive power. There is no further news from the UK or from any other place that built one of these boat anchors. Even South Africa which was days away from achieving resonance has been quite for over three weeks. Nothing from Canada either. I think these teams quickly realize that this is a crock of @$#% and are too embarrassed to show their face again on the be-do forum. Activity on be-do has dried up to just a few new posts each day, mostly speculating on what will happen when they achieve OU. After all if I had dumped $10K into three cores like Orlando team did I would not what to show my face again either.
It may be the case that these teams do share their results back on the forum but they get censored out and are never made public. I suspect they are simply cut off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ02XU0tWjw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ02XU0tWjw)
Please I can haz one cheezburger?
Ferro-resonance was demonstrated by Whoppy, who tapped an iron core and got output spikes on his scope. Iron's kind of a Piezo crystal. Shocking a bifilar coil around a ferrite core generates electrical feedback. The QEG may generate power this way. Shock charging a bifilar around a hi perm ferrite core will yield ferro resonance. An air core coil can't generate this kind of resonance.
Well it's just magnetostriction at work. You don't need a bifilar coil for that...
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E.g. if you loosely wind a coil around a core, and tap the core, so that it starts to oscillate mechanically (acoustic wave inside the core) you can very good see this mechanical oscillation with a pickup coil.
The bifilar coils throws a larger spark across a greater spark gap distance than a single wire coil with the same Joules of discharge. Tinselkoala demonstrates just that "Larger spark" feature in his bifilar comparison video. The speed and magnitude of the magnetic field collapse determines the back spike voltage. This is how TK's reaching 500 volts in his capacitor.
@synchro1In this particular case, this is what I think too. The reason that I don't expect any effect due to the TBF winding is just that there aren't very many turns. In a larger cylindrical TBF coil the inter-turn capacitance can become large enough to cause detectable differences in certain applications. But in a six turn coil operating at 300 kHz I don't really expect to see much difference. However I am interested in the issue and of course I will be testing. I just haven't had a chance to make the "normal" test coil yet, have to set up the bandsaw to cut a piece of mailing tube for the form, pull out some more house wiring, etc. Maybe I'll get to it later this evening.
Cylindrique coils, bifilar or not, with same inductance and global overall geometry have the same effects... May be just a very small difference in theirs intrinsic capacitors due to their different voltage repartition!
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THERE IS NO COLLAPSE SPIKE HAPPENING ANY WHERE IN THE ENTIRE microQEG SYSTEM."
A tiny collapse accompanies the current reversal of the sine wave in the coil. Running A.C current through a single wire solenoid will heat the wire up. The tesla series bifilar, as I've pointed out out has no negative micro Henries. This means there is no resistance to the change in current direction from the sine wave, unlike the single wire. This translates into no heat! A caloric measurement would highlight the major difference between the coils. The bifilar is an A.C. current coil, the single wire's not!
THERE IS NO COLLAPSE SPIKE HAPPENING ANY WHERE IN THE ENTIRE microQEG SYSTEM."Synchro1 I don't know where you acquired these wrong ideas. A sine wave has no abrupt changes. There is no sudden disruption of one current path to another. The field builds up and builds down smoothly. There is no tiny collapse even for very large values of zero.
A tiny collapse accompanies the current reversal of the sine wave in the coil. Running A.C current through a single wire solenoid will heat the wire up. The tesla series bifilar, as I've pointed out out has no negative micro Henries. This means there is no resistance to the change in current direction from the sine wave, unlike the single wire. This translates into no heat! A caloric measurement would highlight the major difference between the coils. The bifilar is an A.C. current coil, the single wire's not!
@TinselKoalaI suppose you are talking about the loopstick. I don't know the turn count, I have not unwound one. I am estimating 300-600 turns. It is one continuous winding in two sections, for cooling probably, and is wound in a herringbone kind of pattern which allows it to hold the cylinder shape without a bobbin. The wire is Litz wire, many tiny strands of enameled wire bundled together then wrapped with cotton (I think). I don't know how many strand Litz, either. I suppose I should take one apart, but they are so dear. DC resistance is around 72 Ohms.
May I ask how many turns (approximately) each coil has, their diameter and their length?
Thank you
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When alternating current passes through a component that contains reactance, energy is alternately stored in, and released from, a magnetic field or an electric field. In the case of a magnetic field, the reactance is inductive. In the case of an electric field, the reactance is capacitive. Inductive reactance is assigned positive imaginary number (http://searchcio-midmarket.techtarget.com/definition/imaginary-number)[/u] values. Capacitive reactance is assigned negative imaginary-number values.
Reactance, denoted X, is a form of opposition that electronic components exhibit to the passage of alternating current (http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/alternating-current-AC)[/u] (alternating current) because of capacitance or inductance.
"When alternating current passes through a component that contains reactance, energy is alternately stored in, and released from, a magnetic field or an electric field. In the case of a magnetic field, the reactance is inductive. In the case of an electric field, the reactance is capacitive. Inductive reactance is assigned positive imaginary number (http://searchcio-midmarket.techtarget.com/definition/imaginary-number) values. Capacitive reactance is assigned negative imaginary-number values".The quotes are correct, your conclusion is not. Inductance is not reactance. Inductive reactance is also positive by convention.
"Reactance is a form of opposition that electronic components exhibit to the passage of alternating current (http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/alternating-current-AC) because of capacitance or inductance".
The opposition to A.C. is assigned an imaginary number value. A Negative Micro Henry is a measure of opposition to A.C.
You're putting along fine then a spring pokes out and jams the works up. Look, now another Windmill tilting on the Myth Bust the biflar crusade!
Look, the series bifilar has zero reactance unlike the single wrap that produces a directional field. The cancelled fields don't exert opposition forces like the field that produces Negative Microhenries in the single wrap. This is a measure of reactance. The series biflar does not impede A.C. like the single wrap with Negative Micro Henry reactance value. This value generates waste heat! That's the major difference between these types of coils!
This is a very real and important difference!
More "copy pasta" from China Palace!Just because you find something written on the internet does not mean that it is right. In the USA the AC mains complete an entire sine wave cycle 60 times per second, not 30. In Europe it is 50 times per second. A sine wave has four quarter phases that are each the same shape: true 0-90 deg, mirrored 90-180 degrees, inverted 180-270 degrees, and both mirrored and inverted 270 degrees - 360 degrees. The wave form undulates in beautiful symmetry. It does not collapse.
"Typically, AC current (http://syzygyastro.hubpages.com/hub/Groundbreaking-inventions-of-the-20th-century) “vibrates” at a frequency of 60 Hertz, (50 in Europe). It makes 30 of these complete cycles for an AC current every second. This creates a 30 cycles per second (CPS) sine wave function in the wires that build to a maximum, collapse to zero and rebuild twice in 1/30th of a second for one complete cycle".
@Isim,Context is everything. They are not describing any abrupt change such as occurs in a hard switching circuit. The so-called "collapse" that they refer to follows a nice smooth sine wave.
This is a PBS tutorial:
http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ins/ins_acdc.html (http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ins/ins_acdc.html)
Through the centuries in which electricity remained a natural mystery, and later a fashionable novelty, it turned up only in the form we would term today direct current (DC), that is, with electrons moving in one direction only. The first, cumbersome batteries (called voltaic piles) and mechanical curiosities that built up static charge (like Leyden jars) provide electrons that stream in one direction. Even the famous experiments of Benjamin Franklin utilized a direct current supply—lightning.
There's certainly nothing inferior about a direct current, unless you are trying to solve practical engineering problems concerned with generating power and distributing it over great distances. A few visionaries, Tesla foremost among them, comprehended both that the new science of electricity must be, literally, transformed and that the means already existed in theory—as well as in some wheezy devices usually found in physics labs of that era. The solution lay in alternating currents (AC).
What Is Alternating Current?
An AC source produces currents that flow in one direction and then the other, continuously cycling through peak values in either direction, i.e., first positive, then negative, and so on. The advantages—which turn out to be nothing short of revolutionary—are not immediately obvious; they derive chiefly from that magnetic property of currents, induction.Direct currents don't cause much inductive action. When a switch is thrown and current first flows in a DC circuit, a magnetic field builds up. The field can induce a current to flow in any nearby wire, but only briefly, just during the few instants it takes for the current to get moving. In fact, Michael Faraday was led to his discoveries in induction by first noticing the momentary currents induced by a DC source he had turned on. Once the field is built up, induction stops; the field's force lines are stationary and no longer carrying a change of energy through space and cutting across nearby wires. With an alternating current the magnetic state of affairs is never a settled one. Each time current direction reverses, so must the pole orientation of its associated magnetic field. The entire field collapses and rebuilds in the magnetically opposite direction. If current alternates continuously, the field is never static. Alternating currents do, in a sense, copy their changes of energy into nearby circuits, making energy available there. Though all very clever, it may seem this isn't a prize winning trick; why not just connect the two circuits with a piece of wire? Why complicate matters with induction?
Transforming AC
It's not just a question of getting power to a nearby circuit; induction can be made to change the form in which power is delivered, it can be transformed, in the electrical sense. Manipulating the way fields are concentrated—usually by making coils of the conductor—will change the properties of currents and voltages that a source (the primary) induces in another, nearby set of coils (the secondary). For example, power present in the primary as a large current at a low voltage may be transformed into low current at high voltage in the secondary.
AC Advantages
Generally, engineers would much prefer to send power over long lines at a very high voltage, with comparatively lower current, but deliver it to most users at a safer, lower voltage. Transformers make that possible. Resistance in AC circuits works differently, too, so that with good design, losses in power lines are dramatically lower than in DC lines. (The first DC power stations could only serve an area within a few mile radius.)The same basic AC ideas, a magnetic transfer and transformation of power, can also make highly efficient, reliable motors. One obvious advantage, though there are many, is the spinning part, the rotor, need not be connected physically to any electrical contacts; ever changing fields in the stator (stationary part) convey the power. Nor are AC devices limited to a single AC source; several may be supplied simultaneously in a polyphase arrangement.
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Measurements of two coils of the same size and with the same number of turns, one with a single, the other with a bifilar winding, show differences in voltage gain. These bifilar coils can be explained solely on the basis of their electrical activity. A bifilar coil is capable of holding more charge than a single wound coil. When operated at resonance, the distributed capacitance of the bifilar coil is able to overcome the counter electromotive force (emf) normal to coils - inductive reactance.
Now you've developed some kind of copy paste allergy. How'd you get that chart uploaded? You're the one with the twisted jargon.
Someone machined a costly ferrite toroid, some other "Show Off" fraud slapped together another piece of cardboard crap, called it a QEG and got sanctimonious about their project.Synchro1 you've put the cart way ahead of the horse. The inductance (below saturation) is a matter of the materials and construction. The excitation does not control the inductance below saturation. A bifilar coil is simply two tightly coupled windings. The two windings form a transformer. Like any transformer the windings may be connected in a forward configuration so that load current in the secondary cancels flux in the primary, allowing for low impedance energy transfer between the primary and secondary circuits. Applied voltage still causes magnetization to build up against the primary inductance.
The A.C. field collapse is the source of the inductive reactance that the bifilar coil avoids through field cancellation.
Neither does any other coil.
The bifilar coil has no negative micro henries.
No, reactance in an inductor is the product of the inductance and the angular frequency of the applied voltage across it.
This is a measure of reactance.
No: Reactance stores energy without loss. A perfectly reactive device subjected to AC excitation would not heat one iota.
How do you measure reactance? Inductive reactance causes waste heat.
This is basicly static in the inductor.There are no "negative micro Henries" in a "single wire coil".
There's no way anyone can get the single wire coil to loose it's negative micro henries, and run as cool and efficiently as the Tesla series bifilar with the same A.C. signal.
Is someone else wanting their cut or is this a new cicu sprouting?How can I invest money in this? It's the real thing man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2cHj0CL8_I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2cHj0CL8_I)
May have to use a translator service of YOUR CHOICE ;D .
http://www.qegquickandeasy.com (http://www.qegquickandeasy.com)
Remember today marks the end of July dolla dolla bill girl time frame for self-running.
"Nikola Tesla also worked with such non-inductive windings. For example if we take a Bifilar coil into account, with opposite windings, the magnetic field created by one winding is equal and opposite to that created by the other (under ideal conditions) resulting in a net magnetic field of, which makes the self inductance of the coil zero. However, the self capacitance would be exist and much higher than a single wound coil. Such a coil is capable of holding more charge than a single wound coil. When operated at resonance, the distributed capacitance of the bifilar coil is able to overcome the counter force normal to coils, inductive reactance".Every single turn has mutual capacitance to every other turn. This fact is a real PITA sometimes, because it means that ALL coils exhibit resonance, limiting the frequency range over which they are useful as inductors. Pick a data sheet, any data sheet for any style coil that you like and that coil will have a self-resonant frequency due to distributed capacitance. Bifilar coils have huge parasitic capacitance compared to single wound coils. But then a single wound coil isn't exactly set-up to function as a transformer, is it?
Show us evidence of "Distributed Capacitance" in your super single wrap! Practically everything you say is total bull crap.
"Nikola Tesla also worked with such non-inductive windings. For example if we take a Bifilar coil into account, with opposite windings, the magnetic field created by one winding is equal and opposite to that created by the other (under ideal conditions) resulting in a net magnetic field of, which makes the self inductance of the coil zero. However, the self capacitance would be exist and much higher than a single wound coil. Such a coil is capable of holding more charge than a single wound coil. When operated at resonance, the distributed capacitance of the bifilar coil is able to overcome the counter force normal to coils, inductive reactance".
Show us evidence of "Distributed Capacitance" in your super single wrap! Practically everything you say is total bull crap.
Good afternoon!!
Any good news? ???
After long recovery I'm back...
Since I still have my equipment, any suggestion other then just put it away?
Ariovaldo
@Synchro1
"Show us evidence of "Distributed Capacitance" in your super single wrap! Practically everything you say is total bull crap."
Every body know that even a straight wire has inductance and capacitance, don't you?
This is called linear inductance and distributed capacitance. ( with the earth as second conductor and with others parts of the same wire)
So, when you wind a wire to make a coil, each part of surface has capacity with all other part of the wire and even with all part of universe. Fortunatly, only the parts sufficiently close one to the other have have a significative influences.
So a single coil has "Distributed Capacitance".
(https://www.google.fr/#q=Distributed+Capacitance+of+coil (https://www.google.fr/#q=Distributed+Capacitance+of+coil))
This is also why coils for high frequency are made in a herringbone kind of pattern and are called honeycomb coil or Basket winding (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_winding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_winding)). Just to minimize the "Distributed Capacitance"...
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TK,
There is no better source of materials than salvaged electronics. You never know what you might come across. I just salvaged a dual flyback setup that I wish someone could help me figure out before I end up dissecting.
@TinselKoalaWhen fine wool cloth is woven that way, it is called "herringbone tweed" !
From your post I even learned the sentence "a herringbone kind of pattern"...
Thanks :)
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Hi TK,
First time to post a pic. Hope I did it right. Sony 1970s that I can not find any info on. Do you think it can be used as wired or just components.
I am glad you are back! What I have been demonstrating is the extraction / conversion of the "OU in VARs" that exists in resonant tank circuits, by using an inductively coupled tuned resonating receiver or Receptor circuit. This method loads the primary tank, naturally, but does not result in collapsing the resonance like a direct resistive load will do. Please check out my latest set of videos. I've shown: running a DC motor on the true output of the resonant system; attaining high voltages without the use of any inductive collapse spike collecting; and various methods of constructing Transverters and Receptors for this system. I am operating at much higher frequencies, though, but the principles will be the same. You will just need larger components to get down to your own resonant frequency range.
(grins evilly)
Gotoluc lights an LED at no cost by pulsing a bifilar toroid. The toroid has a maget attached, and the LED's connected to an inductor, with the magnet for coil core. Look at the similarities to Tinselkoala's micro QEG:What, you don't think a function generator is a power source? Now you are misrepresenting Gotoluc's work as well as Tesla's and my own.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQe49jH_3lA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQe49jH_3lA&feature=youtu.be)
"With an alternating current the magnetic state of affairs is never a settled one. Each time current direction reverses, so must the orientation of its associated magnetic field. The entire field collapses and rebuilds in a magnetically opposite direction".Synchro1, you are just embarrassing yourself. TinselKoala's device generates nice, pure, smooth, sine waves. There is no abrupt/violent redirection of current, voltage spike, etc.
"You find some quotes that misuse the word "collapse" for journalistic emphasis",
TinselKoala,
You're full of it! The collapse is not gradual, and furthermore, the reactive current that returns to the system is a negative value. The instant the reverse value shows above the zero line, the "Entire field collapses violently".
Hi TK,You have got a great bunch of stuff there. You definitely have two of the old-style flybacks, I think these will not have an internal diode and so will produce an AC output instead of a pulsed DC. I believe the big box is probably a high voltage rectifier system. The adjustable thing is a HV potentiometer used to control the "screen" voltage that comes out the white wires on the right, I think. The big black wires and the suction cups are the CRT anode connections of course and here is where the flyback's HV output will appear.
First time to post a pic. Hope I did it right. Sony 1970s that I can not find any info on. Do you think it can be used as wired or just components.
Gotoluc lights an LED at no cost by pulsing a bifilar toroid. The toroid has a maget attached, and the LED's connected to an inductor, with the magnet for coil core. Look at the similarities to Tinselkoala's micro QEG:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQe49jH_3lA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQe49jH_3lA&feature=youtu.be)
This scope shot of LUC'S provide additional dimensions over TK's:
Synchro1, you are just embarrassing yourself. TinselKoala's device generates nice, pure, smooth, sine waves. There is no abrupt/violent redirection of current, voltage spike, etc.
Tinselkoala's scope is not showing the 90 degree phase shifted reactive power from the field collapse.
There is really something wrong with you.@TK
@TKThe second question is simple. The display is from the generously donated Link 2100 DSO, which uses the PC as its display/control interface. It is similar to the modern Hantek scope that I have recommended several times to beginning DSO users. Unfortunately the Link's math is very limited, it cannot do trace multiplication. I think the Hantek can, though.
Still learning scopes as you know-but why the DC coupling on an AC system?
And what scope program is that one your using,or do you need a cpu scope card aswell?
Tinselkoala,
Very nice scope shot! We're discussing serial events of charge, field collapse and reactive power that are graphically depicted in two dimensions on the scope. In three dimensions the second sine wave at 90 degrees would produce a blinding flash of light from the A.C. field collapse flyback. This is a negative micro henry, because consumption is positive, so power input measures negative.
Thanks for the input on my salvaged part. I will give it a try. And Tk I do watch all of your videos. Next time I will get my image size right.You're welcome, and thanks for watching!
TK this is how it was wired coming out of the unit (Sony KP-5000) a real dinosaur. Pull it up and you will see what I mean.Cool! I hope you have as much fun with it as the designers did! Have you got the rest of the chassis as well? There may be more good stuff in there.
Now let's take a look at Luc's scopeshot and analyze it
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Is this result equal to the "Math rms" value on the scope screen? Which value is correct for the power represented by the scope V and I traces?
@Tinselkoala,
I noticed with your resonant transverter, output was reflected by input. Gotoluc's magnet core inductor generates it's own current that's not reflected by rise in input.
I noticed the same effect. The noise that is emitted by my QEG when in resonance is like a 5 track Home Theatre surround sound effect. The deep humming very powerful.
The magnet is excited by the bifilar primary magnetic field activity and responds with it's own power generating oscillation that has no return influence on the primary draw.
@TinselKoala
"Is this result equal to the "Math rms" value on the scope screen? Which value is correct for the power represented by the scope V and I traces?"
Answerd 1: NO
Answerd 2: 0
The red scope display is the instantaneous power value, but it does not take it as a power but take it as voltage, so it display "instantaneous power value"max/sqrt(2) : the max on the red curve is when the V and I curve cross, and they croos at 2.5 divisions in Y, so max red curve value is
2.5*100(V/div) * 2.5*0.32(I/div)=82.5
and the MATH RMS displayed is 82.5/1.414=58...
But this is not the power it PowerVA/sqrt(2), it's nothing...
True power is AVG (on one cycle)/T=0 in W
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@tinman: I've got several vids dealing with the issue of AC and DC coupling. Here's one:Thanks for all the info TK,i will go have a look at your video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVFyaQY6pR0
I'm a little annoyed in that video because I've been trying to explain these issues to LTseung for some time, since he is one of the culprits who have shown power measurements from AC-coupled channels, removing the DC contribution to the power he is trying to measure.
Then neither you nor Gotoluc will have any difficulty showing a self-running device. Please post the video link as soon as you have it running itself on its own power generating oscillation.
You are misrepresenting your device when you call it a "QEG". It is neither a self-resonating oscillator nor can it function as a power supply for external circuits. But we know how you like to misrepresent stuff.
4. Interesting Things About Transformers
As discussed above, the impedance ratio is the square of the turns ratio, but this is only one of many interesting things about transformers ... (well, I happen to think they are interesting, anyway ).
For example, one would think that increasing the number of turns would increase the flux density, since there are more turns contributing to the magnetic field. In fact, the opposite is true, and for the same input voltage, an increase in the number of turns will decrease the flux density and vice versa. This is counter-intuitive until you realise that an increase in the number of turns increases the inductance, and therefore reduces the current through each coil.
I have already mentioned that the power factor (and phase shift) varies according to load, and this (although mildly interesting) is not of any real consequence to most of us.
A very interesting phenomenon exists when we draw current from the secondary. Since the primary current increases to supply the load, we would expect that the magnetic flux in the core would also increase (more amps, same number of turns, more flux). In fact, the flux density decreases! In a perfect transformer with no copper loss, the flux would remain the same - the extra current supplies the secondary only. In a real transformer, as the current is increased, the losses increase proportionally, and there is slightly less flux at full power than at no load.
Please Synchro do some research, here's a good link below. Ignore the "beginners" label to the page the info is very good.Why should he ignore the beginner's label? If the shoe fits, he can wear it proudly.
http://sound.westhost.com/xfmr.htm (http://sound.westhost.com/xfmr.htm)
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Meanwhile... here it is August 2 almost and there has been no word from Pennsylvania, no word from the UK, no word from Florida, not from Taiwan or South Africa, not from Morocco or Germany..... but Jamie was only "hours away from self running" weeks ago, and many dollars in donations have been made since then to help get the Philadelphia Prototype to run by the end of July..... and all I hear is the sound of crickets chirping.My sources tell me that Jamie has in fact been successful and has managed to close the loop and create a self runner. Unfortunately in building the QEG he has run foul of QED and has apparently winked out of existence, so I do not think we will be hearing any thing further from him. I'm told that Hopeless Girl is devastated by the loss of her step father and more so by the loss of the knowledge he took with him. Oh well!
Hey, FIX THE WORLD QEG BUILDERS: your world is broken and you are helping to keep it broken by your cynical fraudulent campaign, which sucks up money and other human resources that would be much better spent doing other things.
My sources tell me that Jamie has in fact been successful and has managed to close the loop and create a self runner. Unfortunately in building the QEG he has run foul of QED and has apparently winked out of existence, so I do not think we will be hearing any thing further from him. I'm told that Hopeless Girl is devastated by the loss of her step father and more so by the loss of the knowledge he took with him. Oh well!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djhi8hf47Gg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djhi8hf47Gg)
Thumbs up!
Except for some wildcatters, it's like a ghost town in a Spaghetti Western.
The Good, the Bad, and the Qweegie.... for a Fistful of Dollars!
Some should get a laugh from the video clip below. Might need to turn up the volume to
hear the motor generator hit resonance power level, it's quiet.
I wrote a bit of a description ;)
Central Queensland Has Resonance YaY. Here's a short clip showing the
motor generator light up the lights when the magic resonance is achieved.
That's 2 motors one driving a generator and some lights from energy tapped
out of the resonant tank. :o
Resonant Tank Tapping with Resonance ! Tesla's Bad Dream circuit. ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqqeCtdHyUA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqqeCtdHyUA)
Not all rosy though there is a cost.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djhi8hf47Gg
Thumbs up!
Yeah this guy makes some good points and his QEG looks real nice "picture perfect". I'm not sure I want to see his replication of
the Rattatooee Transvestiter though. :D
Tinsel, I'm afraid I'll have to defer the self running for a while yet, a set up with no AC 50/60 Hz output is not much use, so I
found a multi pole AC permanent magnet generator that will output 240 volts AC at 50/60 Hz if I can gear it right.
Once I get a 50 Hz 240 volt generator going I can run the house from it and sell power back to the power company.
I don't need it to self run if I can run it from a battery charged by solar panels, so the self running is on the back burner, sorry to all my investors, hold tight, the longer we wait the worse the world will get, so then we can fix it more with a bit of hope.
Cheers
Thanks a heap Tinsel, I owe you a cheeseburger. ;)Yes, that is right and I checked the math at several points on the actual scopetrace.
The CSR is 0.1 Ohms. So that would be 500 Watts per division ? Maybe I should make some carbon block resistors at 0.1 Ohm.
I'll check out the probe options and try connecting to the computer later for a closer look.
P.S. Well that doesn't make a lot of sense either when I do the power calculation.
340 RMS x 1.82 RMS = 618 VA
618 x 0.73 = 451 W
618 - 451 = 167 VAR
Must be the phase angle measured is incorrect. The probes have capacitance that I just tune with (use it to tune) it has an effect
as the total capacitance for the HV tank is only about 1 nF. And the resistor is a wire one.
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Tinsel could you please check the current magnitude with the reactance method ? The coil is 320 uH. Frequency is 294 kHz andUh, let's see. 320 uH at 294 kHz is an inductive reactance of 591 Ohms. So neglecting DC resistance, then the current I = V/X = about 0.58 Amps rms. It requires around 900 pF for resonance at that frequency.
the voltage is 340 VRMS. I'm concerned the electric field is influencing the probe.
Or better still can you just give me the formula, some tips, and I'll give it a go.
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Thanks a heap Tinsel, I owe you a cheeseburger. ;)I think you might have errorred here in your calc of Vars. It's a vector triangle so: sqrt(618*618 - 451*451) = 423 var.
The CSR is 0.1 Ohms. So that would be 500 Watts per division ? Maybe I should make some carbon block resistors at 0.1 Ohm.
I'll check out the probe options and try connecting to the computer later for a closer look.
P.S. Well that doesn't make a lot of sense either when I do the power calculation.
340 RMS x 1.82 RMS = 618 VA
618 x 0.73 = 451 W
618 - 451 = 167 VAR
Must be the phase angle measured is incorrect. The probes have capacitance that I just tune with (use it to tune) it has an effect
as the total capacitance for the HV tank is only about 1 nF. And the resistor is a wire one.
I think you might have errorred here in your calc of Vars. It's a vector triangle so: sqrt(618*618 - 451*451) = 423 var.Yep. If you go up aways you'll see that the scope is reporting a phase angle of 42 degrees.
Your pf of 0.73 is a cos(theta) of almost 45 degrees.
I think you might have errorred here in your calc of Vars. It's a vector triangle so: sqrt(618*618 - 451*451) = 423 var.
Your pf of 0.73 is a cos(theta) of almost 45 degrees.
Hah.... since you have all that resonance, I suppose I should post this here just for the record. I'm starting to play in earnest with my own "yolks" and the uQEG as driver. ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OadJX-BVUow
Noah got a message from God that you have to build this Ark, and Jamie got a message from God that we have to build this QEG and make it work... and it will save the planet...
All that’s needed is to spin the machine up to resonance. At that point it will run itself. It can be
started using existing electrical power if available, or a crank mechanism, or a battery powered
motor-start system. A battery start system could also keep its own batteries fully charged, by
tapping some power from the generator.
Tk,
I noticed in one of your videos you are running your "jammer" device that you built for she who wont be named,,, no wonder you are not getting the results that are needed <<<<BEG>>>>
Saaay... you might be onto something there. But what are you talking about? I am getting exactly the results needed. It's Jamie Ratatoooie who isn't. The happiness you see in that last HopeGirl video is rather strained, don't you think? The only one who seems genuinely happy is that Torelco executive. Letting poor Jamie climb all the way up that shaky ladder without anyone steadying it.... that really got to me. Later on she was shown helping out but I'm sure that was just for the camera. I think that all is not copacetic on the farm in Pennsylvania.
Anyway, I turned it off and got a much clearer picture.
"All of this information will be included in the updated manual once we have successfully reached self-running."Really. Just like the UK report that still remains at large.
"When this occurs, we will immediately open source it upon its announcement to ensure that the information is protected from suppression and gets directly to the people."When? She said it would occur hours from now a few times already. Wow, protect the information from suppression by suppressing the information.
"As always, we encourage others to open source their discoveries as well to help everyone in our common mission to bring free energy to the people of this planet that need it."Prevent commentary on videos, censor your forum to death, and made 0 effort to collaborate with many local energy enthusiast. Apparently ENCORAGE has a new meaning these says.
The circuit that is created when the QEG is in resonance, allows us to draw enough energy from the earth to light a light bulb. This is shown in the video.
Interesting extension, Khwartz. The QEG team has yet to integrate the purported 20-50 ft WITTS antenna (and ground circuit). Perhaps when they do, the antenna will help the little girl (QEG) reach the "fruit."
Cheers,
Yada ...
From a skype forum:Those documents demonstrate just what shameless con artists the Robitailles are. I love where our very own "engineering artist" states that they think that the machine gathers energy from the environment via the skin effect. Translation: The Robitailles get free money from the environment via the skin that donors provide.
Jamie's instructions for QEG engineers:
https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/phase-3-qeg-update_august-james.pdf
And update 3 hours ago from HopeGirl:
http://www.gofundme.com/hopegirlfixtheworldqeg
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Those documents demonstrate just what shameless con artists the Robitailles are. I love where our very own "engineering artist" states that they think that the machine gathers energy from the environment via the skin effect. Translation: The Robitailles get free money from the environment via the skin that donors provide.I agree totally with you, it was just for "informations"...
I'm sitting here with my mouth hanging open. That is amazing. Utterly amazing. There is no mention of the fact that, for nearly a year now, they have been saying they fully understood it, all that is needed is to run up to resonance and it will run itself. It "works" not "it will work at some indeterminate point in the future once we get all the guitar strings resonating together". All that is buried under the BS.If some crazy person were to come along and offer a miracle pasta diet, no one could go after the maker of the recommended sauce unless the maker of the sauce joined in the crazy claims.
This is going to look really ripe in six more months. I am amazed by the collusion of Torelco in this madness. I almost wish I had bought one, because I know some hungry lawyers.
If some crazy person were to come along and offer a miracle pasta diet, no one could go after the maker of the recommended sauce unless the maker of the sauce joined in the crazy claims.Did you not watch the video and notice the photograph of James Robitaille and the Torelco principal in the latter's office, arms around each other, smiling like a couple of Amway reps after a big party? Appearing in the long video advertisement touting the Free Energy Overunity Cores that Torelco is churning out by the dozens? No disclaimer anywhere from Torelco, unlike the hypocritical disclaimer on the clearly more legal-savvy and cynical website from Florida.
Did you not watch the video and notice the photograph of James Robitaille and the Torelco principal in the latter's office, arms around each other, smiling like a couple of Amway reps after a big party? Appearing in the long video advertisement touting the Free Energy Overunity Cores that Torelco is churning out by the dozens? No disclaimer anywhere from Torelco, unlike the hypocritical disclaimer on the clearly more legal-savvy and cynical website from Florida.I didn't, but I also don't see how that could matter. In order to be liable for something: Torelco has to promote lies that it knows or should know are lies.
This was posted TODAY (August 6th, 2014) by Naima Feagin:So, they got $17K more than they said they needed the last time through, but need another $20K on top of that. Sure, and in another couple of months they will need another $50k.
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WE HAVE AN URGENT NEED FOR YOUR HELP AT THIS TIME TO COMPLETE THE NEXT STAGE OF THIS PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO TAKE PRE-ORDERS.
At this stage we are trying to raise $20,000 to finish this monumental project and bridge the GAP to its grassroots cottage industry distribution. To do this we want to build 2 more QEG's to present to some of the poorest communities who can receive the highest benefits a device like this can offer. Below is a breakdown of our needs:
$14,000 = all inclusive cost of building 2 QEG's at $7,000 each.
$6,000 = for additional equipment needed: oscilloscope, drill press, arbor press, current clamp.
(the inventor used to work in a fully equipped lab for 26 years and has since left the lab to work on the QEG. This equipment is needed to replace what he no longer has access to)
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It's sickening.
We saw that most of the engineers (including myself) were expecting to make some tweaks, do some rewiring, try things like: resonate both windings, add capacitance in the secondary, move the load around, series or parallel?, add this transverter, or that inverter, shunt, transformer, rheostat, isolate the load so resonance is not disturbed, etc.
With the generator built to the original configuration, there is up to 30 kVAR (peak-to-peak) reactive power available in the primary windings that could be converted to possibly 20 kilowatts (RMS) and used to power normal loads.
But using the secondary (in the original configuration) to provide enough power to self-loop has been a bit of a mystery, since we need 700 to 900 Watts (RMS) to run the motor, and to get that much output from the machine, we would be drawing 900 to 1100 Watts from the wall outlet. That leaves us about 200 watts shy for COP of 1. This has been about the same with all the machines we built including Pennsylvania.
This endeavor has been a technical puzzle for us. Any information we received from websites, technical documents, individuals etc., had to be tested and verified, reduced, converted or extracted to see if it would be applicable to the QEG prototype. We got a lot of useless information, some information missing important details, and even some deliberate misdirection as noted in the previous section. We also gathered quite a bit of good information and history, and made many wonderful personal connections. One of those connections was with Tesla Energy Solutions LLC, who brought us the most useful information so far, and much needed support.
Our path, from the beginning, has been focused on duplicating the self-looping machine we’ve all seen in the “WITTS 40kW fuelless generator” video.
That is because after the core is conditioned
The point is, we believe the secondary is intended to provide the output.
What is the significance of specifying 400Hz / 200Hz generator frequency? WITTS says that M21 type steel should be used because its self-resonant frequency is right around 400Hz.
is the same as the steel’s self-resonant frequency, we will have additional piezoelectric effect, creating additional voltage in the primary.
If any QEG builder out there has access to a steel testing facility, perhaps they would consider having their core tested to determine what the actual self-resonant frequency is.
TK:Voltage, and polarity too. I wonder how this demonstration is affecting you-know-who, since it refutes him, yet again, about five ways from Sunday.
Yes indeed about voltage being relative. That's why the daredevils that fix live high-voltage transmission lines "bounce" along with the line.
It's either that or burnt toast.
On the issue of Torelco's involvement: What if it were discovered that part of the sales price of a QEG core from Torelco, went into the pockets of FTW/Robitaille family? That is, what if there really was some kind of formal business arrangement between Torelco and FTW? How would that affect Torelco's liability situation with respect to the false claims made by FTW and the Robitailles?I don't think that it would matter much. What would matter is if Torelco made specific claims for the product they sell that the product does not satisfy.
I don't think that it would matter much. What would matter is if Torelco made specific claims for the product they sell that the product does not satisfy.
I don't think that it would matter much. What would matter is if Torelco made specific claims for the product they sell that the product does not satisfy.Its unlikely they will cross that line. They see themselves as simply providing a transformer winding service, a transformer specified by Jamie.
In a just world, probably. But, in today's legal atmosphere anything is indeed possible. Lawyers around here have prevailed in somewhat similar cases proclaiming that knowledge of what was going on indeed meant an endorsement. The fact that a representative of Torelco is seen with James in photos, and James sends folks to that company to get the required "overunity core" could easily be read by a jury as some sort of partnership. Especially if any moneys have changed hands, ie commission, for cores sold which is also probably going on as well.
We have disagreed on these points before and that is fine. Only time will tell. Just remember, who would have ever thought that a guy breaking into your house and stealing your stuff could sue, and win, because he tripped on your stairs? Or, sticking a cup of hot coffee between your legs and getting burned...etc, etc. Also, do not forget "Bystander trauma". If you have been in an accident, or even seen an accident, you may suffer from bystander trauma and are entitled to a decent settlement. (Troy McClure, The Simpsons) We have accident/injury attorneys in this town that must have seen that episode.
Bill
Umm here's a phase shift back to almost 90 degrees ...
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I'd be interested in the opinion of people here as to where it might be possible to build a miniQEG (reluctance gen.) using a Laskco fan ($16 at Walmart) motor. I took one apart yesterday to repair and it seems to have the right attributes. All the windings are easily accessible so they could rearranged to create a primary and secondary set perhaps.
$6,000 = for additional equipment needed: oscilloscope, drill press, arbor press, current clamp.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whcVExTxBCs
(the inventor used to work in a fully equipped lab for 26 years and has since left the lab to work on the QEG. This equipment is needed to replace what he no longer has access to)
To do this we want to build 2 more QEG's to present to some of the poorest communities who can receive the highest benefits a device like this can offer.Poor communities again? The same suckers are going to fall for that line again! A suggestion, how about.......maybe actually have a working self-running device first? Oh and how much do you need for two 34ft long antennae? Lets not forget to add those in the cost.
Thanks Tinsel, I should have removed the "Phase B=" measurement from the screen, it was alternating between 220 and 0,
so it wasn't doing anything meaningful I don't think.
Definitely there was an indicated 30 something degrees shift before I went to X - Y mode. maybe it was 37 degrees or so, I didn't
take much notice as I was just trying to get the pattern.
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It's near field effects.Of course. But as someone else once said, simply naming a thing does not explain it. It's an effect, it happens in a field, when nearby. Ergo, near field effect. Heads nod sagely, sound of pencils scribbling in notebooks, one solitary hand rises from the back of the room.... "Yes, you there in the back, you have a question?"
Of course. But as someone else once said, simply naming a thing does not explain it. It's an effect, it happens in a field, when nearby. Ergo, near field effect. Heads nod sagely, sound of pencils scribbling in notebooks, one solitary hand rises from the back of the room.... "Yes, you there in the back, you have a question?"Where are the donuts? We were promised donuts...
Here's a shot of the tank voltage and the current in the ground line (voltage across a 0.8 Ohm resistor in ground line) theHI,
elevated plate is about 1500 mm x 300 mm x 4 mm thick. I think it has some tens of pF capacitance, maybe 100 pF just going by the extra capacitance I need without the antenna connected. Maybe I should put a 100 pF capacitor in series with the antenna.
Not sure how to measure the voltage current and phase in the antenna wire itself.
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Unless you have differential probes, you need to consider what you will use for your instrument common during your measurements. You need to include consideration for whether or not your instrument common will also be a power supply common due to the green safety lead.
The logical place for a CSR is betwen the MOSFET source, and the rest of the circuit common that feeds the 100uF cap, pulse generator and MOSFET driver.
I do not see anything to limit the flyback voltage of your 10uH coil. Is it coupled to the left hand coil? If it isn't, then you need to think about how you would prefer to protect the MOSFET drain.
No Mark the flyback is taken care of, the coil discharges into the 20 nF cap across the switch then reflects back to theYes, but that is the price of only having single ended equipment that doesn't float.
supply capacitor. It can run all by itself with no loads. :) That's why I get a 40 + volt lump from a 12.5 volt supply. ;)
I would almost bet me leftie that the primary has a sine wave on it or close to a sine wave.
The CSR between the mosfet source and circuit ground will only give the current through the mosfet and not the coil discharge
current.
Only a CSR between the coil and the mosfet drain will track the current through the coil and back I think, not sure aboutThe issue is that the voltages you wish to measure do not reference the power supply common. Depending on how your power supply and oscilloscope are grounded you can easily create loops through the green safety wires that will fry your circuit and/or your scope if you connect the black ground clips of your scope probes anywhere other than the power supply common. If you have differential probes and keep them within their common mode range then the only limitation will be common mode rejection limited accuracy.
how to get both the voltage across the coil and the current through and back from the 20 nF capacitor. 20 nF in series with 330 uF
is not much different to 20 nF itself.
Or you can regulate the battery output. The message here is to diagram and verify where your equipment commons connect so that you don't fry anything.
The green safety lead to my tanks you mean ? They are isolated from the supply circuit by 15 to 20 mm at the least. And I think
the DC output of the Power supply is isolated. I could use a good battery as a supply do take the measurements, if I let it run for
some time the battery voltage will stabilize pretty much and I can re-tune.
Again this depends on how your equipment is configured. There are lots of people who have gotten away with disconnecting the green safety wires when measuring. In a nanny state world that is not something anyone can recommend to you because if it goes wrong you can get a shock and/or damage your equipment with ESD.
I can just remove the green safety lead to take measurements on the tanks. But it makes no real difference, I don't think.
I might just add some timing capacitance to the plse generator so I can widen the pulse width a bit to begin with, and add a
FR302 diode to the input + rail from the supply.
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Did you see this? It is hilarious. Don't these people have an internet connection?
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/376-what-happens-when-overunity-is-achieved?start=240#2490
Pretty soon they will be caught up with you Farmhand... to where you were last week! And of course they are completely oblivious to my videos as well.
This would be funny if it weren't so pitiful. Or the other way around, maybe.
Name variations anyone ? The "BiTT of Death" or "BiTTer Sweet" Maybe. ;DQuote
How about: Little BiTT Of O.U.?
Great work Farmhand. I am doing my best to follow along.
Bill
About Isolating the scope and grounding the circuit, rather than removing the Earth lug from the plug or otherwise disconnectingYou could use an inverter intended for automotive use.
the ground wire, what other simple options are there.
Could I just power the scope from a UPS which is supplied by an inverter that is powered by a big battery. The inverter will power
the UPS and the UPS will give good clean power to the scope but the entire setup would have galvanic isolation.
I have a 300 Watt inverter and a small 300 Watt UPS, the UPS has a transformer output but won't work from the battery unless
the mains power lead is plugged in, hopefully it will run from an inverter, but i have doubts. I have a switch mode type inverter
that will run without the power lead plugged in but I think that might be dangerous. Not sure, no schematic.
The small "transformer based UPS" is a good brand in metal case the other is a generic brand in a plastic case.
So if floating the circuit is not appropriate I can float the scope that way I think.
Advice or confirmation is welcome. :-\
The scope is already powered through a large UPS "filter surge protection" section as is the Function generator and the
desktop computer is powered through the battery backup section of the Large UPS. I can just power the scope and FG
from a smaller 300-600 VA UPS and a small 300-600 watt inverter powered from a battery that's charged by Sol. For free ;)
Circuit input power is free as well. :) Surely the output must be free also ? No one is charging me for the energy. That's free
energy to me. Equipment can be very expensive though. Just look at the price of differential probes, current probes and 4 - 8 ch
oscilloscopes. Wow.
Anyone want to donate me, a 4 Channel Tektronix oscilloscope 100 mHz, two current probes that will do up to 1 mHz two
differential probes, two 100 mHz 1000 x probes, and two 100 mHz 100 x probes ? only a few thousand dollars worth of
equipment. ;D I can say it's to replicate Tesla's HF resonant lighting setups, with retro looking mounts /cabinets ect.
I just need to light a fluorescent tube across the top of the wall mounted wooden frame with the device all secured to the
frame and a wall wort, (or a small battery for an emergency) Tesla Room light. I could up the potential by adding extra coils to
the outside of the secondaries, and being a bipolar setup at low power and HF it doesn't really need a ground on the secondary
or at all to be safe enough. There is the novelty of being able to light other fluros near the coils as well. If I show no input
increase when lighting the fluro or a drop in input it will hhpe enough people up to go fund me $6000.00 ?
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Is there something rotten in Denmark?
Hi everyone! There have been several delays, but we are back no track now. We are winding 2 cores in Canada that will be finished by the end of next week. Following that, we will commence our build in Montreal.
We are still very short of our goal and very out of pocket. Please do what you can to help and pass this go fund page around. Thanks.
To witness the build please check in at qegcanada.ca or search qeg canada on face book.
bandwidth
There is one possible problem with a shortened and tuned antenna. If the Q is too high and the bandwidth is too narrow, the
sidebands will be attenuated and the audio quality of the signal will suffer. However, you probably will not have this problem. It's
almost impossible to accidentally build a high-Q antenna system.
If you want or need to experiment with antenna bandwidth, the following actions will lower the Q and increase the bandwidth:
use larger diameter material for the vertical radiator
re-build the loading coil with smaller diameter and increased length
I note they have raised $2015 out of $8000. Even though they are "out of pocket, " when it doesn't work I think that they should return all of the donated money back to the contributors such that they are even more out of pocket.
For the moment the QEG is a prototype, which simply means that it is under development. However, it does achieve over unity, which is why teams of qualified engineers around the world, in Taiwan, Germany, Morroco, Florida, China and else where are building QEGs right now and experimenting with it, modifying it, in order to achieve maximum over unity output of usable clean power.
It takes approximately 1000 watts to run the QEG and when functioning at maximum efficiency can output 40,000 watts of clean non-polluting quantum energy. (The average Canadian home requires 26,000 watts for heating and electical needs).
There is an update from Canada from four days ago on the money page:
http://www.gofundme.com/qegac-quantum-energy-gen (http://www.gofundme.com/qegac-quantum-energy-gen)
I note they have raised $2015 out of $8000. Even though they are "out of pocket, " when it doesn't work I think that they should return all of the donated money back to the contributors such that they are even more out of pocket.
We will *hopefully* see what happens. There might be a boat in a marina somewhere in Montreal that needs a new anchor.
I am involved in a global movement to bring quantum energy to the world.This should be interpreted as: I am involved in a scam to siphon donations from the world.
Seems the V and I phases are almost "in phase", how can that be ? Isn't reactive power "out of phase" ? Even in a tank ?
OK no probs, I'm ordering some tomorrow anyway, just curious, those are measuring 0.1 Ohms. I can look with the scope andSmall packages from Digikey cost about $11.00 postage if sent by US Priority mail to anywhere in the USA. The cheapest FedEx and UPS options are about $21.00.
see if there is a difference between the power resistors I was using and these from the killaWatt meters.
It's not the price of the resistors Mark it's the postage, I'll have to spend an hour tonight listing all the other parts I want as well.
Now will a Lux meter tell me if a lamp is giving off more light ? Or will it only tell me the brightness, not the amount ? I'll probably
just make one of TK's light meters. I'll need parts for that.
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I'm in Australia, it cost me over 30 Dollars last order. But it's ok I'll get some stuff.That really depends on the load. You want the lowest gate charge that you can find that will still yield an acceptable on state resistance. I would get a good feel for the maximum voltage with transients and then start searching MOSFETs from the voltage and up for the lowest total gate charge at the gate drive voltage of interest. The gate charge is what is making your drivers hot. Slow rise and fall times that result from the charge and perhaps layout issues is what is making your MOSFETs hot. At 1MHz and above hard switching losses can be quite a problem. Resonant and quasi-resonant topologies are more complicated, but those that switch at zero voltage really cut down on the switching losses.
Thanks.
P.S. Mark can you please check back here for questions while you can, about components ?
What would be the best mosfets and mosfet driver chips to use for switching up to 24 volts in a setup like this at 840 khz or
1 Mhz tops ?
I ask because the TC 4420 gets hot driving a mosfet at 1 mHz and the power consumption for the switching alone seems
very high. At 840 kHz the driver chip is not too bad but at 1200 kHz it gets quite warm "touchy". I'm using an IRF740 but
the only others I have is one IRF540 some IRF840's And some lower voltage IRF1010's.
I've got some Si7478DP-T1-E3 mosfets but they're only 60 Volt parts. Just wondering if you had a suggestion, maybe some
new line of part or something interesting.
Digikey's postage is very fast so holding back won't hurt. I'll order tomorrow after midday.
2) Capacitors for the primary what are the very best capacitors I could use for the primary capacitance ? I'll need them to take
similar voltages to the mosfets I guess. That's an important one the ones I'm using now do get a bit warm.
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OK no probs, I'm ordering some tomorrow anyway, just curious, those are measuring 0.1 Ohms. I can look with the scope andFarmhand, If you have an Android Smartphone with a light sensor (most of them do to help auto adjust screen brightness) just grab this program of the google play store (free) Androsens ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tritop.androsense2 ) and it will tell you the exact Lux reading from a light source. As long as you keep the same distance and angle (I suggest about 2 feet) you can easily compare brightness levels. The human eye needs nearly twice the Lux reading to even detect a noticeable difference in brightness so when using lights as any sort of measure you really need a way to know the actual output and this will work fairly well. Short of creating a light integrating sphere (a fairly complex job) this is a good way to know your light output.
see if there is a difference between the power resistors I was using and these from the killaWatt meters.
It's not the price of the resistors Mark it's the postage, I'll have to spend an hour tonight listing all the other parts I want as well.
Now will a Lux meter tell me if a lamp is giving off more light ? Or will it only tell me the brightness, not the amount ? I'll probably
just make one of TK's light meters. I'll need parts for that.
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My IRF740 mosfet doesn't get hot,Hi, Farmland!
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Here's a better scope shot of the fluro wave forms.
@Farmhand
In fact, as your tube is in // with -1 the capacitor -2 the inductance in series with the CSR
The current you measure is only the inductance current!
The Tube current is different. So put the CSR in serial with the load. I think that in your circuit, and because you only have one spike current by period, the tube is like a diode and with the capacitor and is in continuous conduction, (with it anode always on the same extremity) !
So to test this hypothesis and have the current in the lamp, it would be necessary to place the CSR in serial with the load with one connection to GND, and a DC connection with the oscilloscope...
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The 0.1 Ohms resistor is in series with the load "outside the tank" The load waveforms are a lot different to the tank wave forms.Yes, you got it. As the Voltage and Current are sinusoidal, we can use the formula:
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Yes, you got it. As the Voltage and Current are sinusoidal, we can use the formula:
Pload=Vload Rms*Vcsr_rms/CSR=84.8 * 0.0922 * cos (12°)=7,65 W
This same very resonable!
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No, it is not:)
Edit: I made an error!
I forget the CSR, so with CSR=0.1ohm
Power in CSR:
Pcsr=I²*R=(Vcsr_rms/CSR)²*CSR=Vcsr_rms²/CSR=(0.0922)²/0.1=0.001W, it's nothing.
and Power in Lamp:
Pload=Vload Rms*Vcsr_rms/CSR=84.8 * 0.0922 * cos (12°) / 0.1 = 76.5 W, with displayed value of the oscilloscope.
with your last measurement file (csv) I got 76.58W, with the log.
Is it compatible with your Lamp?
I was supposing it was a 10W fluorescent lamp...
Ok, I get you Farmhand. Yes, it can be misleading if people show power measurements
and scope waveform shots of internal transformers and whatever in a circuit, but ultimately all that
is important is proper input power measurements right at the power source, and proper output power
measurements of the power being dissipated by the load. If someone is demonstrating a circuit
and not showing proper input power measurements right at the power source and proper output
power measurements on the load, then IMO there is definitely good reason to be suspicious.
Really that is all anyone would want to measure and demonstrate in regards to claims of
overunity for any given circuit. If they are not at least showing power measurements at these
points very clearly, then I think there is very good reason to be suspicious. Either they don't
know what they are doing, or they are possibly trying to hide something. All that becomes
unimportant of course if they can simply feedback some of the output power to the input and make
a self runner.
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Definitely not, not when the grid and reactive power are involved. No way. To make a valid claim of OU all energy used to create
the output simply has to be taken into account. It must. Anything else is cheating. Simple as that. As I see it.
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Then I only need to measure the output of the tank and the load power, then that is the equivalent to a grid system. ;)
Get my point ?
I could ignore the DC input to the primary because we only need the output coil and the load power.
See the problem !
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No, I am agreeing that you need to measure the input power to the circuit, and
I think I made that clear, but if you simply add some power factor components to the
input of the circuit then you don't have to be concerned about the effect that a reactive
load is putting on the line. I think that can be taken out of the equation by simply
adding some power factor correction components at the input of the circuit to bring
the power factor close to 1. Measure the power input just prior to these power factor
components and you are set. Simple and easy.
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What the load circuit ? :) Because I can use an output transformer and do that as well. See !
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No, I don't see that it needs to be any more complicated than what I have described.
If you measure at the power input to your circuit as I am saying, which is either the
line voltage input at the power socket, or at the battery or DC power supply terminals, then
that is all you really need. Of course you have to take into account possible ground loops as well if
not using a battery.
All the best...
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What circuit, the output circuit ? :) You're argument is circular and you are failing to consider properly what I am saying.
My "arrangement" is a set of circuits, it's an AC generator and a load, but I can make it an AC generator then a transformer
then a load and that will show why the reactive power claims are BS.
A circuit can be defined by a current loop ?
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If I just measure the input and output to a transformer connected to the grid I'm only measuring one part of a larger circuit.
Gee wizz.
@Farmhand: Sorry, I've been busy making huge OU in VARs with TKoilVII. The phase question: If you recall my microQEG videos, I at first also got a phase angle that looked like 180 out of phase. This can be due to a lot of things, mostly inverted probes or scope channels, and also if a current transformer is used. If your true phase angle is 90 degrees and you use a current transformer like a Rogowski coil or a plain loop, this will introduce a 90 degree phase shift in the _measurement_ itself. Voila: your scope displays a signal that looks like it is 180 oop, when it is really reading a 90 degree oop signal. I did try to demonstrate this in the first uQEG and the Phase 1 and Phase 2 videos but perhaps I wasn't completely clear.
You are doing awesome work, by the way. Mucho gusto!.
Well when I get an appropriate CSR and ensure no ground loops then if I get this shot below I can claim OU ?
That's 3.8 Watts input and 5.1 Watts out. :) If we use the scope measurements and calculate.
When I get the proper CSR we or I will determine the phase to verify with the scope display.
Don't ask me to explain where the extra energy comes from if it does still show more real power out than in. ;D
I'll let you do that if you want.
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Input 12.4 V x 0.3 A = 3.72 Watts
I figure it like this.
(200 cosine = -0.987 PF)
84.6 volts x 0.987 A = 83.5 VA
83.5 VA x 0.987 = 78.4 VAR
83.5 VA - 78.4 VAR = 5.1 Watts
5.1 Watts output / 3.72 Watts input = 1.37 C.O.P
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I think I did better with the filament light bulb and the previous setup not sure.
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No idea what you are trying to do here.
The scope shot you attached to your post says 'tank traces', but
if that is the secondary tank circuit it has no bearing on the efficiency
of your circuit. You only need to show the voltage waveform across the load
and the current waveform on a CSR connected to one of the load terminals.
Watch out for scope ground loops if you have two scope probes connected
into different points in the circuit at the same time. This can also throw off
your measurements, but I think you showed that you have both scope probes
grounded at the same point.
Void my friend, I got similar results with a filament globe. a 3 Watt incandescent filament light globe, just like most others use and
call resistive loads. But this is 420 kHz. Less dangerous at the same voltages than 50 Hz. It will not kill me unless without any large
capacitors in the arrangement. Makes it more like fun than a chore.
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The difference between VAR and VA is real power in watts, isn't it ?. Doesn't matter where it goes if it's shown to be more
than the input, what matters is where it comes from.
If it is shown to be accurate, then it's anomalous heat or something, but it isn't accurate is it, neither is the load power.
I want to measure the power consumed by the fluro as well as other loads and show the effect on the generator of AC
and the reactive and active powers ect.
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Once you multiply Vrms by Irms by the PF for your load, you get Watts. That is the real power P (AKA True Power),
and real power is expressed in Watts.
VA is used to represent the apparent power, signified as S. This would be your measured Vrms times your measured Irms for your load.
VAR is used to represent the reactive power, signified as Q
Apparent power is the vector sum of the reactive and real power.
Yeah it does change quickly with a frequency change of the primary because it's all tuned. I load the output and the primary max
voltage rises but the average voltage remains about the same, that's because the load changes the primary tune of course.
a load either increases primary power or decreases it depending on how I tune it and the load, I can tune the circuit to a load.
Or tune an inductive load to the circuit ect.
I can vary the input voltage, frequency, pulse width and vary the tank resonant frequency by adjusting the variable capacitor.
The tank and the load circuits are separate but connected circuits.
With this arrangement I can just change the pulse generator frequency and run the primary at a different frequency then tune
the tank to be resonant at or near the primary frequency. I can also tune the tank to double the primary frequency and still get
resonant rise.
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That's exactly what I said. VA - VAR = Watts or Watts = VA - VAR or VAR + Watts = VA, same thing.
ie. 100 VA - 80 VAR leaves 20 Watts missing or dissipated. Fair enough ?
I do understand the concept. But I won't take offense. :)
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Most modestly priced scopes only offer a 20MHz filter.
For stable repetitive waveforms, a better way to remove noise artifacts on a digital scope is to apply averaging. Averaging is usually found in the acquisition menu. Averaging should be used with care. Alwasy look at waveforms with averaging turned off before applying it.
Does anyone even calculate the resistance between your house and the Grid Pole transformer to get an idea of reactive powerDid some research on this.
related losses in the lines just back to that point ? I think the resistance of the grid is more than people realize and quite a bit
of power is consumed by the DC resistance of the lines relating to the current portion of the reactive power.
The losses are real Watts. And so therefore the resistance of the lines converts reactive power to real power. It must or the losses
from reactive power would not exist. It's not an "all either reactive or not thing" it's portions of a whole doing one thing or another
or something else.
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Maybe it was just a typo then, but you wrote:
"83.5 VA x 0.987 = 78.4 VAR"
You also seem to be trying to subtract VAR's from VA's? You can't do that mate.
They are vectors at different phase angles. This is why they all have different units.
You have to use special vector math to add and subtract vector values at different angles.
You can't use ordinary addition and subtraction.
Just Vrms x Irms x PF is all you need to calculate real power,
but of course these measurements have to be accurate.
Using your odd measured numbers, I get:
(A current lag of 200 degrees is the same as a current lead of 160 degrees, and both give the same power factor,
so the phase angle can be expressed as lagging 200 or leading 160 degrees. Either way, same result.)
84.6 Vrms x 0.98 Arms x Cos(160) = -77.91 Watts. Now that's impressive. ;D
(I am assuming you are using a 0.1 ohm CSR)
I can't explain it, but I will think about it. Maybe someone can see what is happening.
The difference in inductance introduced by a wire wound 0.1 ohm CSR and a non inductive CSR
should not make much difference here I wouldn't think, unless whatever you are using has
an unusually large amount of inductance. Probably something else is going on here.
Edit:
Do you have your scope probes set to x10 and your scope channel settings configured for the same multiplication factor of x10 as well?
Just wondering if that might be a factor for the measured voltages? That should not affect phase angle measurement though.
P.S. For your 'betterflurosh.csv' file scope data, I calculated an average power of 2.597 Watts.
I assumed a CSR value of 0.1 ohms for the channel 2 current measurements.
Did some research on this.
I did find this http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf (http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf)
Also, I noticed this calculation "83.5 VA - 78.4 VAR = 5.1 Watts ". I mentioned about fifteen pages back that this was incorrect math. You need to use vector addition and subtraction so sqt(83.5*83.5 - 78.4*78.4) = 28.7 W
Did some research on this.The relation between VA, VAR, and Real power, S, Q, and P is: VA2 = VAR2 + P2 as you applied to derive P = (VA2 - VAR2)0.5. So, since Farmhand isn't observing anything close to 30W of real power dissipation, then probably the 78.4W was obtained incorrectly due to a phase angle error or other measurement anomaly. If his dissipation is in the 5W range and the 83.5VA measurement is correct (should be with good true RMS measurements), then the reactive power should be more like 79.7W. Just 2.7 deg phase error would account for the difference.
I did find this http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf (http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf)
Also, I noticed this calculation "83.5 VA - 78.4 VAR = 5.1 Watts ". I mentioned about fifteen pages back that this was incorrect math. You need to use vector addition and subtraction so sqt(83.5*83.5 - 78.4*78.4) = 28.7 W
To me the FTW claim and the SERPS claim are more or less the same, they are saying that the VAR can be utilized not just continuously but also without paying for it in generation costs.This is why industrial users get penalized for low PF, because it imposes reals costs for the power company. In the 1980s the local power utility: PG&E engineered the AC power distribution in a new building for HP in Silicon Valley. They failed to account for the fact that HP would install computers everywhere. This was before power factor correctors, PFCs, became mandatory above 500W. The AC wiring caught fire because of the reactive current sloshing back and forth between all the non PFC power supplies in the computers and the utility. The red-faced PG&E had to pay for the building repairs. Rather than rewire the place, they paid for PFCs installed in front of every computer.
So it's all relevant.
If I have a 10 klm distribution line (not reality just thinking out loud) just say the line has 10 Ohms DC resistance,
then if we connect a load with a power factor of 0.5 and there is 240 VRMS and 10 amps of current to the load.
So we then have 2400 VA x 0.5 = 1200 Watts and 1200 VAR, so the current supplied is double that which is used.
Now all the current is still there 10 Amps. both ways with AC, so the losses associated with reactive power are not
from the reactive power itself but from the excess current need in the first place. What is dropped is voltage
across the load. The current remains the same. So the potential energy in the volts x amps in phase is all the energy
that gets transferred to the load.
Therefore if a resistive load like a filament bulb is, through some miracle actually made to act "reactive" the filament would
have to pass more current than it should. And the out of phase current would not be "allowed" to heat the filament.
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The relation between VA, VAR, and Real power, S, Q, and P is: VA2 = VAR2 + P2 as you applied to derive P = (VA2 - VAR2)0.5. So, since Farmhand isn't observing anything close to 30W of real power dissipation, then probably the 78.4W was obtained incorrectly due to a phase angle error or other measurement anomaly. If his dissipation is in the 5W range and the 83.5VA measurement is correct (should be with good true RMS measurements), then the reactive power should be more like 79.7W. Just 2.7 deg phase error would account for the difference.
So we then have 2400 VA x 0.5 = 1200 Watts and 1200 VAR, so the current supplied is double that which is used. Now all the current is still there 10 Amps. both ways with AC, so the losses associated with reactive power are not from the reactive power itself but from the excess current need in the first place. What is dropped is voltage across the load. The current remains the same. So the potential energy in the volts x amps in phase is all the energy that gets transferred to the load.Well said. This is also why transformers power ratings are quoted in VA and not watts.
Can't be 5 Watts dissipated Mark, most would be 3.8 Watts which is the input. If we do not consider any input is coming from anywhere else then 3.5 Watts Max under the best possible conditions or so I would say. I get ya though.It is the scale from 25W to 5W that I am concerned with.
Yes, but if you have a filter set at 20MHz and are measuring at 300kHz the difference is pretty much imperceptible.
So whatever that means to the measurement errors I'm not sure, and don't want to confuse myself at this point with it.
But I do think that 2.7 Watts is reasonable and so would be a bit more but I doubt it's less than 2.7 Watts. And regardless
of what the output power is the light is good for the input power.
Another thing I will do is make a checklist for everything I must take into account regarding ground loops ect. for better
measurements. Scope settings ect. ie. turn off the bandwidth filters and whatnot.
Umm, wouldn't the bandwidth filters tend to make the wave form smaller ?
Did some research on this.Yep. And I and Farmhand are using the inductive coupling method of extracting power from the resonating tank. So what is the response of the QEG believers to that PDF?
I did find this http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf (http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf)
Also, I noticed this calculation "83.5 VA - 78.4 VAR = 5.1 Watts ". I mentioned about fifteen pages back that this was incorrect math. You need to use vector addition and subtraction so sqt(83.5*83.5 - 78.4*78.4) = 28.7 W
Does anyone still believe that Torelco isn't fully involved in this fraud?I raise my hand. FTW is co-opting Torelco's reputation. That's bad for Torelco. To show complicity by Torelco, you need to find an endorsement of the QEG and/or FTW by Torelco.
Yes I'm using a 0.1 Ohm - 5W ceramic power resistor, inductance is 119 uH, capacitance is about 1200 pF frequency 420 kHz.
Say what? 119 uH for a 0.1 ohm, 5W wirewound resistor? That seems to be a very high inductance if correct.
Such a high inductance for a CSR at 420 KHz could definitely throw off your scope measurements significantly. If that value of
inductance of your 0.1 ohm CSR resistor is correct and you are aware of it, then it looks like you have deliberately been trying
to make bad measurements to try to make some point? It looks like you are deliberately running your circuit at a frequency
at which your CSR is coming into self resonance, and thus throwing your measurements way off. However, anyone with a
half decent knowledge of doing scope measurements at high frequencies would be aware of this sort of problem and
take steps to avoid it.
Just for comparison, I have a 1 ohm, 5W wirewound ceramic power resistor and its inductance is only about 0.7 uH. Anyway, if the inductance
of your CSR really is 119uH, then it might well explain at least a good part of the strange scope measurements you have been posting here.
Sure, a person has to know how to use their scope well and be aware of various potential problem areas to make accurate measurements,
but that doesn't mean that everyone out there is making bad measurements just because there is a potential for it. ;)
Yes, I know that there are various people out there on the internet who do make bad measurements and thus come to false conclusions about
overunity, but that doesn't make them all 'frauds' and 'scammers'. Some people just are mistaken because they don't
have the proper technical background to realize their measurement errors and incorrect assumptions. Not a big deal to me.
It is a given that many home hobbyists who are not formally trained in electronics or mechanics or whatever they are experimenting with
are going to come to false conclusions sometimes. Heck even many professional engineers and scientists can make measurement
errors or make incorrect assumptions. That's why we have a whole peer review process built into our science vetting process.
Not a big deal mate. It all works out in the wash. Either something really works as described or it doesn't. :D
Sorry Void, My bad, That's 119 uH measured for the coil, the resistor I cannot measure as I don't have a good enough LCR meter. :-[
My apologies. I think I'll be seeing similar but slightly different results to Tinsel, my set up is a little bit different.
Something that's difficult to get an answer to is. Will exposing myself to experimental levels of RF power cause the titanium
screws in my neck to warm up ?
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So Naima is going back to the "business fantasy" side of the operation, just like Rossi fantasizing about a production plant with a fully robotic assembly line. She is "setting up a CICU distribution plan" like some kind of Chicago Prohibition bootlegger. It's all fantasy talk.
Run for the hills and don't spend a single cent. I don't know if the Tesla Energy Solutions QEG clip from a month or so ago is still up on YouTube but the guy clearly barely knew what he was doing.
The illusion that they have a free energy machine or are on the verge of having a free energy machine is still being perpetrated by Naima Feagin. It's a lie.
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Now is the time for major business strategy in a new paradigm manner so that we are all well prepared for what is about to unfold (wink wink)
So Naima is going back to the "business fantasy" side of the operation, just like Rossi fantasizing about a production plant with a fully robotic assembly line. She is "setting up a CICU distribution plan" like some kind of Chicago Prohibition bootlegger. It's all fantasy talk.
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Whats to stop them
from pretending to be another group and asking for more funds for "Phantom" "branch Teams" ? Gee Wizardry.
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Void, that's not really the way it all played out. The antenna is only recent, the tank consists of capacitors across the secondary
coils, the antenna and ground connection were only used and shown in the "Barn video". The antenna and ground only form a
portion of the tank circuit (just as I showed). They were showing light globe loads without an antenna or ground connection in the
other countries. The antenna demonstration showed him powering a bulb from between the HV tank and the ground connection
easily a light can be lit using a ground return in such a setup and without tracing the connections we have no way to tell actually
how it was wired.
The claim is that they can convert the tank VAR value into real output power continuously without using more input, and
in fact self run the device, they claimed to already have done that but lied. A pattern of lying has emerged.
The parametric excitation is likely only a part of the story, there would be residual magnetism in the rotor and also as soon as
some tank activity starts then it would be self exciting in my opinion the currents in the tank would cause loading on the rotor,
and that is obvious when resonance is achieved because of the loading down sound of the rotor. An effect of induced
magnetism in the rotor maybe. The rotor see significant load.
Fact is the input power to the DC drive motor is what is pumping the tank up. Output has never even come close to exceeding
input.
Fact is they are lying to get donations from people, raising money by deception is fraud.
Sounds like you've come to defend them and their actions Void. You asked me what I was trying to achieve here, I think it's fair
I ask you the same.
What is it you are trying to achieve here Void ?
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@Void
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Your statement that the rotor is definitely magnetized
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It is definitely magnetized, by the earth magnetic field! This is enough with the variable reluctance for induce current in coil, and start the system.
Look before in this post the simulation of Ariovaldo, or the mine. Without a very little magnetic field, the system doesn't start.
And please can you indicate a place on earth without a little magnetic field?
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First, we need to express that WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS NOT EASY!August 27, 2014
The QEG is portable, the size of an average home generator, can easily hook up to your existing electrical system, and weighs approximately 120 pounds. The QEG can power your entire home, several of them can power anything from a skyscraper to a cruise ship, and you will never have to pay an electric bill ever again.http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/what-is-the-qeg-.html March 2014.
Between the technical work that James is trying to do, and the intense travel schedule, and providing the most detailed and transparent updates to everyone, we’ve certainly met our share of challenges along the way.Intense travel schedule? That must be con code for 30 day vacation get-aways. Self imposed and non contributing travels at that. Instead of working locally, FTW goes to places lacking both components and building equipment. Places yet to be both ever mentioned again and "Saved" as was the original claim mind you. Uups, I just screwed the pouch on FTW's out of site is out of mind hypnotic money lure.
We gave away this suppressed technology for free through opensourcing.So you gave away a suppressed reluctance generator? The inverse of which is powering the desk fans of houses all over the planet. Open sourcing? You mean a pdf file of an electric circuit had a link to download from? Sort of like the billions of other electrical circuit schematics that can be downloaded for free.
Now engineers all over the world have a starting point for experimenting with this particular way of harnessing energy.They already had a starting point for decades now. But who am I to rain on your delusions of grandeur parade. 72 references to switched reluctance generators: http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=25035#.U6m_nijFKSo
We are transparently reporting our progress DURING the research and co-development stages.If I done so once I done it 100 times. No longer going to comment on that one.
We are not selling anything.Instead you are directing all the heavy cost items to "select" sources for purchase (cough kick cough back). You are structuring a multi level market percent give back to you. You are receiving large donations for over a year, money of which could have installed multiple gas powered or solar power water pump systems in the places you used as bait.
You may or may not have heard about this, but it noteworthy to highlight it here. This special on 60 minutes features the “Bloom Box”. It’s a new energy source that was developed that uses fuel cells. It does require a small amount of fuel to operate, but we have a suspicion that this was only done so that the company would be “allowed” to develop this product.I know I heard about bloom box but those you hopegirl want to target are those who have not and those you know who will not bother to research bloom box. This gets you more funding by using examples that have nothing to so with your qeg scam. As predictable as a meth head without a fix and a pocket full of change your current blog uses yet again the history of non related ventures as support for your revenue. Michael Jordan was once kicked from a team but look at him now? She actually implied the qeg will work because Jordan and a few singers failed once but won out in the end. I cannot believe people fall for hopegirl's Bee Ess. But we have a suspicion? I rest my case.
In our stages of development there were additional expenses that went above and beyond what we originally put in our phase 3 budget.Do tell.
Every contribution no matter how big or small helps us to maintain the work that we do and allows us to report our results to the people....Yet, using paypal. What does she mean by "clean"? The funding sites started to crack down?
To keep our transactions clean, we are closing donations on the QEG phase3 go fund me campaign. [paypal link]
Is it self running yet?That is long winded con code for NO.
We have a well thought out strategy for the announcement of this. It will be opensourced to everyone so that it can be protected from suppression. To do this right, there is a lot of preparation work involved that will take some time, during which we are carefully providing open transparent information on the blogs that is safe to release in the interim.
Where can I buy one?Please walk through this kick back, I mean, this door.
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For engineers that are interested in purchasing and building a QEG so that they can experiment and co-develop with us you can purchase a core from Torelco and the rest of the QEG kit from Tesla Energy Solutions LLC. T
I was aware that the hookup of the antenna and ground wire was done recently, but that is what they areWelcome aboard mate. I'm with you and I feel your frustration with this bunch here. Conditioning the core is a complex set of issues. There has been some discussion on be-do.com that conditioning the core could take weeks, possibly months or even years. It is however known that gongs play an important role, as might humming and meditation to create the necessary local energy field to imbue the QEG core with the necessary qualities so as to achieve OU. Thus far I believe at the last count they had gotten the overall system efficiency (power out to power in) level up to around 30%. Hopegirl and the team in the UK applied a considerable amount of gong energy (from 20 or so gongs), and it was believed Jamie was just minutes away from breaking the OU barrier before they had to leave and catch a flight back home. Unfortunately, now back home in PA he and the others that returned with him have not been able to muster the same level of euphoric gongness. I believe, HopeGirl is hosting a crowd funding event in the fall at their home to save the family homestead. She has announced that there will be a live demo of the QEG, and there should I hope be enough experienced gong and meditation folks to create the right conditions to again try and condition a QEG core.
saying now is what they believe necessary to 'condition the core' over time, to achieve over unity.
Welcome aboard mate. I'm with you and I feel your frustration with this bunch here. Conditioning the core is a complex set of issues. There has been some discussion on be-do.com that conditioning the core could take weeks, possibly months or even years. It is however known that gongs play an important role, as might humming and meditation to create the necessary local energy field to imbue the QEG core with the necessary qualities so as to achieve OU. Thus far I believe at the last count they had gotten the overall system efficiency (power out to power in) level up to around 30%. Hopegirl and the team in the UK applied a considerable amount of gong energy (from 20 or so gongs), and it was believed Jamie was just minutes away from breaking the OU barrier before they had to leave and catch a flight back home. Unfortunately, now back home in PA he and the others that returned with him have not been able to muster the same level of euphoric gongness. I believe, HopeGirl is hosting a crowd funding event in the fall at their home to save the family homestead. She has announced that there will be a live demo of the QEG, and there should I hope be enough experienced gong and meditation folks to create the right conditions to again try and condition a QEG core.
Not all at Morocco fell for the unsupported claims made by Fix The World.
Published on Aug 27, 2014
re: QEG power measurements: Peak to peak power readings Vs RMS power readings
(Mr. Jalepino with Morocco QEG 4:46 time stamp, Techical Moderator for The Sustainable Media Co-operative Consortium)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c6tgywhZpE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c6tgywhZpE)
Published on Apr 27, 2014
QEG - Morocco Has Resonance!!! (James Robitaille with Morocco QEG, FTW )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNh1xyg_8w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNh1xyg_8w)
Root Mean Square of Volts is directly proportional to average of powerRoot Mean Squared voltage is directly proportional to average power, but the proportion is not fixed. Rms voltage * rms current yields apparent power. Where the voltage and current are both sine waves of the same frequency, rms voltage * rms current * cos(theta) yields real power and rms voltage * rms current * sin(theta) yields reactive power.
Root Mean Square of Volts is directly proportional to average of powerI did not ask about RMS Volts or Average Power. I asked "What is RMS Power?"
I did not ask about RMS Volts or Average Power. I asked "What is RMS Power?"That's a stupid question TK. We both know that RMS Power is used by EE's and EEE's with an artistic bent. I personally prefer the term "Quadratic Power". I feel the use of longer and more complex words adds gravitas to what your are saying, especially when talking to the general public or would be investor.
The 'explanation' given in the linked video talks about RMS Power. I want to know what that is, and how it applies to anything. What is the physical meaning of "RMS Power"? Should we trust an explanation of power measurement from someone who talks to us about "RMS Power", even if he is (maybe accidentally) right about some other stuff?
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P.S. I got the non inductive resistors from DIGIKEY and I was wondering some things.
1) Is it Ok to take measurements with my grounded scope if the device is "Isolated", as in running from a battery and not
connected to the ground ?
2) Is there still a chance of "ground loops" at these frequencies even with an isolated scope, due to displacement ?
What would be best practice with respect to isolation for taking scope measurements on this device considering the device
doesn't need to be ground connected ?
I'm also testing extra coils in series with the "Main Tanks" to increase the voltage for fluro's, I used 200 turns of 0.5 mm wire
on an "outer joiner" for 90mm PVC, no real need to tank that coil it works a treat, now I can get over 600 mA at 12.4 volts
input while lighting a 300 mm fluro tube form one side with the extra coil and the fluro is now brighter and looks like it could
get a bit brighter yet still. So I'm making progress on the potential required at this frequency to get the fluro "properly lit up",
Still have an issue, I can't easily produce reasonable video, new phone video is very dark under lights. My old Video camera
won't export to my laptop without a small firewire connection, I've got a USB to firewire but that doesn't work for the video
camera, looks like I need a new digital video camera that uses a micro SD/SD card. grrrr. The old ways are becoming a pain.
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Void your mind is quite obvious stuck in a void. There is a long history to all of this, you need to go back to and take a day or two to read this tread. I suggest starting at around page 65. Some of us here have impacted the public discussion about their claims. We brought to their attention the ignorant use of peak power upon which Jamie claims of OU were originally based. Upon being wholly embarrassed in Morocco, the QEGers adopted the nonsensical use of "RMS" power and very quickly jumped ship from sourcing power from the secondary, and instead lead a crowd funding effort based upon claims of OU reactive power in the primary circuit, which as any 1st year student knows is just the stored energy built up overtime in tank circuit from all that mechanically driven parametric activity. Jamie and the gang have exposed their ignorance of electrical engineering on numerous occasions over the past five or so months as this saga has unfolded. His latest endeavor is to use an antenna to harness power from the local broadcast radio or TV station, which is completely illegal by the way.
Some of you folks seem to be desperately looking for any little small thing to use in your religious crusade against
claims of potential overunity by evil heretics. Perhaps we should be preparing to burn them all at the stake? ;D
Long live the religious crusade! Keep holding on with deep blind faith that all claims of overunity are impossible
and are therefore automatically heresy. Keep hurling the insults and accusations of fraud and scams,
even if you have no solid evidence of such fraud, as it is all OK because our blind faith tells us that all such
claims are absolutely impossible and could never be true. Therefore, based on our deep blind faith,
we are perfectly justified in attacking all those who consider things which are not supported by our faith.
These evil unclean heretics must be attacked and completely annihilated lest horrible heretical thoughts
of overunity and free energy be allowed to spread, and cause others to potentially question the views of
reality as held by us prophets of the one and only true reality. ;) Burn them! Burn the heretics at the stake!
Glory to the only true reality! Death and destruction to all heretics! We must not rest a moment until they are
completely wiped from our midst! :o
Yadda yadda yadda....
PCB, you are barking up the wrong tree mate. I am not the slightest bit interested inWell if that's your position then the answer is simple. No the QEG does not work as claimed. Neither has any deadline ever been met. And yes fraud is a valid way to describe what is transpiring with the solicitations for six figures of mula. What measurements that have been taken demonstrate that in the efficiency numbers, sub 30%. This circuit simulation was able to match also identically the waveforms displayed by Jamie etal.
the belief wars and holy crusades of the true believers here who are imagining that they
are on a Holy mission to save the world, and I mean all those who are on both sides of the belief wars.
That was kind of the point of my comment. ;)
People are making all sorts of bad measurements and/or making incorrect assumptions
in these forums and in youtube videos all the time. it is nothing new at all.
I am only interested in facts. Does something work as claimed, or at least partially as
claimed, or not? If many people seem incapable of understanding constructive suggestions on how
to improve their measurements, or on correcting incorrect assumptions they have, then
that's par for the course. Nothing new. It is the way of this world. Better to relax and
take what is useful, and ignore what is not... Life is too short.
All the best...
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The area under the curve product power. HA, top that :PThat is certainly much longer but not I think quite as catchy as Quadratic Power, you would agree I'm sure?
Incidentally, I have made a good many posts today so why am I stuck at 134. I think that malfeasance might be a foot. Somebody does not want me to reach "hero" status. Actually it appears that every bodies posting counter is stuck. What's going on here? I only do this for the score...
15 min later: OK this is plan wrong, I and everybody else have had their counters frozen for many days, who do I complain to about this?
OK Bill...put the bottle down and call it an evening.
*tucks Bill in*
Well if that's your position then the answer is simple. No the QEG does not work as claimed. Neither has any deadline ever been met. And yes fraud is a valid way to describe what is transpiring with the solicitations for six figures of mula. What measurements that have been taken demonstrate that in the efficiency numbers, sub 30%. This circuit simulation was able to match also identically the waveforms displayed by Jamie etal.
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You have joined us at a time when we are really just treading water. TK, being so bored with the level of activity, took matters into is own hands and created the miraculous solid state miniQEG, which is the only device with the name QEG attached that has been shown through very detailed measurement to be OU. We know in our hearts that is is'nt but TK and the rest of us do not know why. Farmhand, being similarly inspired has done his own exploration, but requires much propping up as he has difficulty with vector math. These are all facts which can be explored in the varied and sometimes detailed pages of this thread. Happy reading.!
PS. Jamie may have been mistaken at the beginning when he first measured the power levels of his device as he undoubtedly used peak-to-peak values (8 time more power than was really present), but he has long since crossed over to the darkside to maintain funding for this charade.
In basic terms, our machine reverses the conventions used to build electric motors, i.e., instead of using low voltage/high current construction, which wastes energy, our designs use high voltage/low current construction, which gives us a HUGE surplus of energy. A portion of the surplus energy is fed back to self-power the motor, and the excess energy is collected in capacitors and converted into house current (120 or 240 volt, at 50-200 Amperes, depending on scaling). This is known as over-unity (more output than input) which traditional educational institutions have historically taught us was impossible. It is not at all impossible, and does NOT operate outside the laws of physics.
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Our system uses no fuel, fossil or otherwise, and produces zero by-products, pollutants or emissions of any kind, except a bit of audible noise, which is similar to that produced in any mechanical generator system, and can easily be minimized in the design and packaging.
All that’s needed is to spin the machine up to resonance. At that point it will run itself. It can beStill up today:
started using existing electrical power if available, or a crank mechanism, or a battery powered
motor-start system. A battery start system could also keep its own batteries fully charged, by
tapping some power from the generator.
"Well past conception and Into actual manifistation" that's what the "sole sisters of the divine feminine" actual believe has happened.I thought it was hilarious. She is truly shameless. She should hook up with Mark Goldes.
You need a strong stomach to listen to this interview. Please beware and have a bowel close by just in case.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/expandinguradio/2014/09/03/an-expose-of-free-energy-whopegirl?AID=CJSource&utm_source=CJ&PID=6156512
Her supporters believe free energy is something you can teach yourself and buy most of what you need on Ebay.
The more she talks, the more frustrated and puzzled the QEG teams in Morocco, Taiwan, the UK, Germany, Canada, South Africa, Florida, and even James, at home in Pennsylvania must be. It's easy, a done deal, just build it according to the plans and start it up, when you get resonance it will run itself and provide 240 volts, 50 amps or more to run your home. You can even start it up with a crank mechanism. It says so right in the FAQs!The podcast was as I said hilarious. She has moved the goal posts. Her current sack of lies is:
So all those teams must be stupid, incompetent, can't even follow simple plans.... OR perhaps there is another explanation.
So why haven't all those teams, who have been working on the device for six months or more, been able to do what HopeGirl claimed was easy and simple, ONE FULL YEAR ago on 3rd September 2013 when the IndieGoGo fundraiser was begun? I know why, and so does everyone else who has watched my microQEG video playlist.
I really cannot listen to the podcast. Did anyone ask her why even James can't get one working, when she said they worked already, a year ago?
The more she talks, the more frustrated and puzzled the QEG teams in Morocco, Taiwan, the UK, Germany, Canada, South Africa, Florida, and even James, at home in Pennsylvania must be. It's easy, a done deal, just build it according to the plans and start it up, when you get resonance it will run itself and provide 240 volts, 50 amps or more to run your home. You can even start it up with a crank mechanism. It says so right in the FAQs!
So all those teams must be stupid, incompetent, can't even follow simple plans.... OR perhaps there is another explanation.
So why haven't all those teams, who have been working on the device for six months or more, been able to do what HopeGirl claimed was easy and simple, ONE FULL YEAR ago on 3rd September 2013 when the IndieGoGo fundraiser was begun? I know why, and so does everyone else who has watched my microQEG video playlist.
I really cannot listen to the podcast. Did anyone ask her why even James can't get one working, when she said they worked already, a year ago?
I think we know that we aren't going to get more than the party line from the Fix the World group. I don't think there is much more to say on the technical level, it was pretty much covered as beast as could be several months ago without having any faithful replicators to work interactively with.Don't you see the democratizing effect of free energy research? A Joe blow with a $100. USB scope and a $25. Arduino is just as likely to discover free energy as all the well financed folks such as John Bedini are. That's what I like about a number of the people who do build stuff. These are folks who enjoy the practice of trying out ideas and seeing what happens. Russ Griese, Tommey Reed, Tinman, Farmhand are all examples of people who get their hands dirty and report openly and honestly what they see. They don't shamelessly misrepresent that they have discovered some secrets that they will sell for $19.95 a pop.
The next real step is for the replicators to report their results honestly and to the best of their abilities on Be-Do or perhaps even here. Will that happen is the real question. It seems the temptation to go dark has a stronger lure. However, being honest trumps the temptation to go dark in my opinion.
Then there is the other problem that certainly affects perhaps the majority of the replicators. It's the problem of jumping into something that you might be enthusiastic about but aren't really competent in. So you have a double whammy where you have an under unity true and faithful replication and a replicator that is simply not competent to do a real analysis. So that represents a significant psychological "double-whammy" hurdle to overcome.
It takes years of study and application to truly understand and design electronic circuuits. It takes years of study and application to become a master chef.
A Joe Blow off the street walks into a store and buys a USB scope and all of a sudden he is a free energy researcher.
A Jow Blow off the street walks into the kitchen of a five-star restaurant and knows that he can only make toast and fry eggs and won't last half a day.
Hi PhotonLexicon,
I want to build an analog scan rotator (for any angle, not just flip X/Y).
Mathematically:
Xrotated = X * COS(angle) - Y * SIN(angle)
Yrotated = X * SIN(angle) + Y * COS(angle)
Can I use an op-amp to compute the COS and SIN functions?
Kind regards,
weartronics
You need 4 - 4 quadrant multiplier chips - we used to use the AD532 from analog devices. You can certainly use opamps to generate the sin/cos signals - it's called a quadrature osc. As an alternative a joystick moving in a circle does the same thing and allows you to "perform"...
Then there is the other problem that certainly affects perhaps the majority of the replicators. It's the problem of jumping into something that you might be enthusiastic about but aren't really competent in. So you have a double whammy where you have an under unity true and faithful replication and a replicator that is simply not competent to do a real analysis. So that represents a significant psychological "double-whammy" hurdle to overcome.
It takes years of study and application to truly understand and design electronic circuuits. It takes years of study and application to become a master chef.
A Joe Blow off the street walks into a store and buys a USB scope and all of a sudden he is a free energy researcher.
A Jow Blow off the street walks into the kitchen of a five-star restaurant and knows that he can only make toast and fry eggs and won't last half a day.
Yes indeed. I had a wonderful time playing with 74LSXX TTL chips and op-amps and writing machine code way back when. Breadboard City. I wasn't looking for free energy but that's besides the point. But I threw it all out 20 years ago. It's great fun to see circuits come to life. The National Semiconductor applications books were great because they were such a "cheat" if you wanted to do something special. So I built the integrator and the differentiator and got a "satisfying" result when I swept the input. Then there was the quadrature oscillator which was cool. You can make a Cartesian coordinate rotator with a quadrature oscillator and some analog multipliers! You can see the atomic energy symbol on your scope display by rotating a sine wave at the right harmonic resonance. lol It really was fun but then then Puff the Magic Dragon effect came into play.2465's are readily available in the used market from around $200. to $1200. TK used to use a similar generation Philips scope. I think the Philips scopes of the era had nicer ergonomics. But I am way past having any of those instruments in front of me anymore.
If there is anything I still lust for is that first generation of analog scopes from the early 90s that had the moving cursors on the display to automate measuring time and frequency. I suspect that there was a separate beam that was on during the main beam fly-back that gave you the moving cursors and the alphanumerics. They were so cool and I haven't ever looked them up. If they aren't making them anymore for sure they are on eBay. They were just beautiful!
This is not a 5 Star restaurant or even close equivalent. :D You're walking into a roadside diner and expecting 5 star meals ?Hey, I am sorry if I left your name off the list that was just off the top of my head. I am sure there are others I missed too.
Take the chef from the 5 star restaurant and put him in the busy diner and he wouldn't last past the first paycheck if even an hour.
No chef will convince me that I am not a good cook, I've been served up food from qualified chefs that should have put in the rubbish bin, but I rarely cook a meal that others don't like.
Some qualified chefs just ruin good ingredients.
Similarly I can build and use stuff electricians I know do not understand. They are not electrical engineers of physicists but nor
am I.
When a trained man like MarkE looks at my drawing and tells me he sees no flyback protection on my primary when it clearly
has a capacitor across the switch for just that tells me that even trained folks miss stuff.
No one on this thread has shown any input to output measurements at all except me, even though mine were not accurate
to date, (correct me if I'm wrong).
Seems I don't rate a mention with the other experimenter guys so I might just make my next set of measurements the last
ones I share and just sit back and criticize some and help others while I do my own thing in private.
If people can't grasp the concept of "energy can't come from no where or no source" now then whats the point ?
There is no OU as far as the big picture is concerned, there is only the utilization of existing energy for free or cheap.
Even posting on a site called OverUnity should cause people to carefully define what they mean by "OU" and they should be
able to explain it simply. To me actual Over Unity would need to involve the creation of energy or some "thing" from nothing
eg, 2 come from 1. But that is impossible so I struggle to justify to myself why I even post on these sites anymore at all.
And that begs the question. Haven't you trained guys got something better to do ?
My experiments to me are fun and very enlightening even though I have never claimed any OU. (except in jest.. joking)
In other words to use the Chef analogy.
I've learned enough that I don't need anyone to cook for me in order to eat well from the raw ingredients. ;D
If I want someone to rate my cooking I'll ask as i usually do. Don't like my food don't eat it, doesn't mean it's contaminated
sustenance though just because people don't like it.
Bottom line is in my opinion these types of forums need two separate sections, one for people who want to create energy, and
a separate one for people who just want to harness energy for free.
The two do not mix well, and I don't need to be a cocktail "engineer" to see that.
Many of us experimenters have broken bodies/physically disabled, if we didn't then many of us would not even have time to post
not to mention do so much experimenting. I intend to try to get some accurate in to out and activity measurements when I am
well enough and post them here, but I doubt I'll be sharing much in future on any OU type forum unless I have practical advice
or a useful comment for those who want to harness energy for free or cheap.
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Just for kicks an I mean no disrespect as I respect knowledge, but what would be a good analogy of an electrical engineer posting on a OverUnity forum. A swan in the chicken coop ?
If it was my coop I'd say the swan was out of place. ;D
In a busy chicken coop sometimes eggs get broken and chooks drop dead, but it doesn't phase the chooks, only the keeper. ;)
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15 thousand dollars USD for a kit. In the comments someone sourced only for quite a bit less.
This would be funny if it was not so sad.
I first saw this film in the late 70's on a Toronto television program devoted to classic cinema. I was joined by friends who always got together on Saturday nights to watch the musicals, comedies, or classic performances offered that week. NIGHTMARE ALLEY came as a surprise. It was a raw, exposed nerve of a film. Instead of the Hollywood diction we had come to expect, this film expressed itself in 1940's carny colloquialisms. And nobody in the cast was soft - they were all hard knocks characters, almost down for the count, but still fighting. After about 15 minutes, nobody in front of that set moved until it was all over, except maybe to look sideways to see if anyone else could believe their eyes. This is a movie clawing your way to the top , and then paying the price for getting there. This is a movie about being careful what you wish for. It is a movie about odd fascinations with people who are actually messengers of your future in disguise. And ultimately, it is a movie about how futile is the love of a good woman if the man is destined for ruin. Needless to say, it was not standard Hollywood fare when made in the 40's, and it is still not standard fare today. It's message is somehow both shocking and familiar. Listen for the last words uttered, as though in offhand comment about our 'hero' by bystanders. Those words haunted me for over 20 years, until I was able to track down another showing of the film on TV (STILL not on VCR or DVD for heaven's sake!). And I remembered them correctly all that time - that's the impact they made. See this film. Surrender to it. It's that good.
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One of the most obscure films produced by classic Hollywood. It's Tyrone Power in the role of his life and the tragedy of an ambitious circus apprentice becoming a con artist and gradually turning into a pseudo-religious guru. Both director Edmund Goulding (Grand Hotel, Dark Victory) and writer W.L. Gresham committed suicide, and one can smell suicide in this gem of a film, that is the story of the embezzlement of a gift. That circus operates as a good metaphor of the B-system Hollywood of the 40's, where geeks worked side by sided with geniuses. The tarot cards foresee the worst: there's a geek in every man's soul, no matter how big one can be, a downfall no imposed `happy ending' can hide. In this nightmare populated by fun-fairs, alcoholism and eccentric millionaires obsessed with the deceased, the film version makes use of the essential from the source novel and provides the best invention: an unscrupulous psychiatrist who records her patients on tape and then blackmails them, a device that Brian de Palma himself would have be proud of.
What if I told you that there is no such thing as a "free energy invention" and after receiving funding it will go into a black box and we will hear some excuse in the coming month as to why nothing happened. The excuse will be some made up story about how the "cabal" felt threatened by it and thus threatened them to stop it. And the idiots who donated, as well as the OPPT sheeple, will buy it.
Why are people so stupid? If you could make a free energy prototype for $6k you could get angel investors to fund it in 5 seconds and none of them would require a patent for it either for that little.
This isn't funding a free energy project, its funding Hope Girl's bank account.
The OPPT people and the FTW people are intimately connected, sometimes even in the same body, like Brian Kelly. OPPT has "officially" disbanded... trying to keep themselves out of jail. Several people connected to the OPPT scams have gone to jail and at least one is still in prison.Yup!. I did read somewhere (I think related to her crowd funded Australasia trip) she was promoting a different free energy generator than the QEG. Perhaps they would not play ball or she felt that it would be better to fund she father. The items in my previous post show that her connection with her step father was not disclosed in the written documentation, and was only revealed verbally under pressure it would appear. This is all very telling. HG and her mother will I'm sure have a few more rounds left to play out, but what then? This does not seem a particularly good way to earn a living. Do the folks at be-do have any connection to OPPT?
"Why Morocco" has been asked about FTW... it turns out the reason is OPPT! Heather has already set herself up in Aouchtam and her friends the Robitailles and FTW just followed her over there.
All of this is connected. The bus tour, RVs supposed to run on water.... but never did.... resulted in a sizable chunk of change in the pockets of certain principals of OPPT and FTW. But people forget, I guess, and so the QEG is actually the SECOND Free Energy scam these people and their friends have engaged in. FTW is being very careful about keeping the connection with OPPT secret, but if you look carefully at the videos and photos from Morocco you will see some faces of OPPT principals like Heather and Brian.
Please see Doziac's video about OPPT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LDJamW4pDU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LDJamW4pDU)
Timeline
The UCC1 filings were made on December 25, 2012, soon after, the Alternative Media begin reporting on it claiming that all world governments and corporations had been foreclosed and promising listeners $10 billion in gold and silver.
Around April, in response to questions by followers asking where their $10 billion is, Heather invents the "courtesy notice" described above. Followers who attempted to use said notices, took the non-response from collection agencies as proof that the notices had worked and the natives were temporarily pacified.
When talk that the courtesy notices were failing two parallel schemes were cooked up by Heather. She would write documents that followers could take to banks to deposit a fraction of their "intrinsic value", convert it to actual currency at the bank and thus followers could finally get a portion of their promised billions. Concurrently, work started on "Project 13" which was advertised as a software that would allow followers to buy and sell goods using their "intrinsic value". The software would be set us as a phone app or desktop program where users would pay a monthly fee to create an account and "access their value".
In July, Kiri Campbell, acting upon OPPT advise, attempts to deposit $15 million of her "value" into her bank account as well as writing $60,000 in bad checks backed by her "value". OPPT originally hails her as a hero and proof that their documents and strategies work. She is later arrested, pleads guilty and is sentenced to 200 hours community service. OPPT ignores the setback and continues.
In October following months of failures, Brian Kelly, Bob Wright and Lisa Harrison (the principal promoters of OPPT in alternative media), launch the OPAL tour. Under the theory that the reason that OPPT had been ineffective was that not enough people were aware of it and thus a publicity tour would finally lead to the prosperity Heather had promised in December 2012. They beg for donations to buy Motor Homes to drive around the USA preaching about the OPPT. Brian promises that the Motor Homes will be powered by engines that run on water and that the tour will spread this new free energy technology. Despite the RVs running on water, throughout the tour they constantly posted on their blogs that they needed more donations to buy gasoline.
In January after the OPAL tour, the free energy technology never materialized but the failure is never mentioned by OPPT. Brian has most of his stuff repossessed, Bill from American Kabuki is divorced from his wife, and moves to Morocco with Heather paid for by donations from followers. In response to this state of disarray, OPPT makes the decision for everyone to move to Morocco to start a commune where they can develop Free Energy technology and be prosperous. Of course, in order to do this they require more donations from followers and they attempt to sell the RVs from the tour on eBay. On March 2, the One Peoples' Community launched its new website (http://www.opcaouchtam.com (http://www.opcaouchtam.com/)). On March 22, it posted its most recent (and likely, final) posting. A member of the Community subsequently posted a message on Facebook stating that there were communication issues between the people still there and that there were hardly any people remaining at the Community. In July, another person posted on the Facebook One People Community that the Community had dissolved, although individuals from the Community still live in Aouchtam, Morocco; however, there are no communal projects at this time.
In May, Brian announced that "Free Energy is Here"; in June, he announced that "we are so close that I can taste it" with regard to free energy; and in July, he was in Spain with Blue Star "Deerwomon" and wondering how on earth he got there. (www.briankellysblog.blogspot.co.nz (http://www.briankellysblog.blogspot.co.nz)) He has now announced his new project called "Even in Doubt Project". His mission is to "inspire the world, especially younger generations, to take a leap in pursuing their purpose, living their passions, and creating global change, even in total doubt".[/size]
D from Removing the Shackles continues to blog from Morocco, although she's using a keyboard that is no longer fully functional. (www.removingtheshackels.blogspot.com (http://www.removingtheshackels.blogspot.com)) Bob also continues to blog from Morocco with hopes that he can generate income from ads incorporated within the blog.
Here is a direct quote of Heather's latest update, as of August 9, 2014: "THE WILL OF I AM: NOW, ALL I AM, BE AND DO I AM!!! THE WORK OF I AM: I AM!!" In other words, nothing has changed with her.
The "Be-Do" reference pops up in the material. I am quite certain there is a connection, but these people have learned some lessons about public disclosure of who they are and what they are doing.I found this interesting in the last line
Here's a segment of the RationalWiki article on OPPT:
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_People%27s_Public_Trust (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_People%27s_Public_Trust)
In one of the other links from posts up above, one of the Aouchtam community members tells the story: It took them a week to figure out that the dishes had to be cleared away and washed after their lovely community meals! And that nobody was going to wait on them, so they had to do it themselves! A wash station was set up... and shortly after that people began leaving the "community." Work has a way of driving rich kid dilettantes away.
BE AND DO I AM!!!
Hi everyone. Just got this photo from our Toronto winding company. Here is our second core now ready to be wound. We did not weld this core. We have used varnish to hold it all together...it was baked in an oven actually. It will be wound and finished, if all goes well, by the end of this week.
Our other core is in Montreal now and is being balanced (you need to balance the rotor and voltage of the core before you can install it, it is a longish process). I will keep you all posted and a quick reminder to please donate to our gofundme page if you can....all funds will go to the build in Montreal and we are still short of our overall costs for the build.
Update message from Kevin:
https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC)
Well, the term "voltage of the core" makes no sense and likewise "balancing the voltage of the core" makes no sense. Don't expect anybody to correct Kevin in QEG La-La land. You just have to beleebe that the core voltage needs to be balanced.
Thanks for doing all the digging and lifting guys. They are all just sleazy carnies like I stated.
Message to Naima, Val, and Jamie: You are scumbags and shame on you.
And when you look around here from lots of people you get mute silence. People like Captain Zero and e2Matrix have nothing to say in the face of this evil and nonsensical idiocy.
The reality distortion zone sucks.
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
"Evil" always has a limited lifetime. "Evil" will alwaysI don't understand why you are putting the word evil in quotes. I think the point of exposing stuff like this - isn't vengence per se but to shut down people who are scamming other people. It might be well and good that the truth comes out eventually but how many people need to get duped in the process?
self-destruct as it becomes arrogant and reckless.
Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear will
learn to discern the bad from the good.
Truth will always manage to find its way out into the
light of day. Men of good will who are honest and
ethical love Truth.
Vengeance is not ours.
It was clear to me day one (March 24 2014) they were all connected. You have to not want to see it to not see it.
And good point about Captain Zero and the gang. Its been a good long time you heard from the qeg cheerleaders. Heck, even the be-dodo forum has gone silent after every update by Shean and Larry. Yet, Vgray is still holding down the fort, keeping the lie alive.
To the 5,000 Engineers in China and long outstanding UK report where art thou?
Now I have seen everything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5lVTHKbPRA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5lVTHKbPRA)
That is the truth, certainly.
I really haven't taken the time to properly look into this issue,
so I purposely never offered an opinion,,,That never stopped you before, and it's not stopping you now.
despite what this troll and the MethHigh troll are asserting.That's funny.... I can't find any user called "MethHigh" asserting anything. Are you perhaps accusing someone of using illegal drugs? Have you got ANY EVIDENCE to support your baseless assertion? No, of course you do not, because the name-calling and insults you spew aren't true.
According to the troll operations handbook, whatever the forum trolls focus the most on usually means there is something they want everyone to stay clear of.Please provide a checkable outside reference for this document to which you refer. Oh... you CANNOT, because you just made it up.
Please feel free to CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING USEFUL by pointing out just which idea you mean, and what could possibly be significant about the QEG's promotion by a bunch of known scammers, some of them who have actually been convicted in court for their scams and others of whom are fugitives from justice and will be arrested as soon as they try to re-enter the USA. But once again... we know you cannot.
So, there may be some aspect to this idea which may cause someone to inadvertently stumble on to something significant...which as we know is usually how great discoveries happen.
And which is what they get paid to prevent.And once again you emit the utter LIE that any of the people you call "Trolls"... you troll.... are paid for their troubles. YOU CANNOT PROVIDE THE LEAST BIT OF SUPPORT for your lying contentions. Your handle is appropriate: CAPTAIN ZERO, because that is what all of your total posts are worth: ZERO.
Regards...
According to the troll operations handbook, whatever the forum trolls focus the most on usually means there is something they want everyone to stay clear of.If by "stay clear of" you mean it's part of a conspiracy to keep people away from good information then I for one would like to see an example of this. Can someone point out to me one case of some of the more skeptically minded folk concentrating on discrediting something that turned out to be actually overunity?
...the utter LIE that any of the people you call "Trolls"... you troll....
are paid for their troubles. YOU CANNOT PROVIDE THE LEAST BIT OF
SUPPORT for your lying contentions.
Your handle is appropriate: CAPTAIN ZERO, because that is what all
of your total posts are worth: ZERO.
Has anyone noticed how upset these trolls get when I speak of their activities and motivations, instead of addressing them directly ?
Regards...
Has anyone noticed how upset these trolls get when I speak of their activities and motivations, instead of addressing them directly ?I think the Z in your name stands for Zeno, a science fiction character that propelled itself with high velocity farts:)
Regards...
An insult from another low post number troll, oh the unmitigated gall,The Zeno in your name could also be related to the QZE (Quantum Zeno Effect) where an unstable particle (or collection of particles in your case) if observed continuously, will never decay (i.e never go away).
From troll called 'PCB'...the name says it all.
Regards...
Translation for those watching in:The said truth is my post counter has been stuck at 141 for I do not know how long. If you look closely you will see yours is too. MileHigh pointed out a while ago out perhaps we are all dead but do not know it; hence, my interest in QZE. So if we continue to be observed on this forum we will continue on.
Lament of an over matched troll.
Regards...
Time and tide wait for no troll.It's become clear to me in this brief exchange that you have some weird obsession with trolls, and moreover lack the intellectual creativity to hold anything other than a five word conversation with the word troll in it. So I'm going to bed. See ya!
Has anyone noticed how upset these trolls get when I speak of their activities and motivations, instead of addressing them directly ?
Regards...
One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument
One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.
A person who, on a message forum of some type, attacks and flames other members of the forum for any of a number of reasons such as rank, previous disagreements, , status, ect.
A troll usually flames threads without staying on topic, unlike a "Flamer" who flames a thread because he/she disagrees with the content of the thread.
A member of an internet forum who continually harangues and harasses others. Someone with nothing worthwhile to add to a certain conversation, but rather continually threadjacks or changes the subject, as well as thinks every member of the forum is talking about them and only them. Trolls often go by multiple names to circumvent getting banned.
The bottom line is that Captain Zero and SeaMonkey will not state that Fix the World are doing something wrong. The issue was raised because there is a need for some balance. The silly "paid trolls" argument certainly does not apply to the case of Fix the World and the QEG, which is an obvious fake and the whole thing is a silly nonsensical enterprise.
I find it sad and frustrating...
In a related matter, there is a huge solar flare coming our way. Time to upgrade your tinfoil hats!
The Court of Public Opinion hasn't yet concluded itsAre you related to Seabiscuit because your a horses .....
session and the Jury continues to review evidence.
While the Court may in due time issue a judgment, it
must be noted that the Court has little impact upon
society at large or the Legal System.
If there are in fact any victims of criminal misconduct
regarding this "case" then they must register a
Complaint with the appropriate Authorities. This is
necessary to initiate any corrective Legal Remedy.
This is only the beginning. There will be more.
It is a sign of our time.
As are the plethora of World Events which have
transpired since the Israeli False Flag Attack known
as 9-11 which has facilitated the move towards
tyranny and the New Order yet to come.
Are you related to Seabiscuit because your a horses .....
I am not sure when the topic was lost. But I would like to share a video that my son shared with me today. It is for sure more on topic than 911 conspiracies involving jews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfbwXx1tOno (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfbwXx1tOno)
explain how the steel supports of 3 buildings were melted by jet fuel barely able to produce enough heat to cook pizza
implying that I am backing the QEG claims...when I made no such claim.
So...to recap:Your clearly a right wing conspiracy theory nut job! I feel sorry for you. If we had easier access to mental healthcare in this country (USA) you could get treatment for your paranoid, delusional, obsessive condition. It seems that the only life you have is making many times cryptic 5 - 10 work quips, it's no wonder your post count is so high. Nothing of any real substance rarely do you say. You need to recognize your problem and seek help. Life is too short.
This piece of excrement drags me into this thread with an insult directed at me...implying that I am backing the QEG claims...when I made no such claim.
After straightening out that issue, I made a well reasoned comment regarding a point made by SeaMonkey and the troll then sticks his well browned nose into it, calling me a dummy, and offering up the same explanation for the building collapses that offered by Bush the stupid offered...just like all the other govt paid shills.
Now that the rat has been cornered, it counters with insinuations that this somehow makes me a child molester.
Where did this come from one might ask ?
The answer...his own twisted mind.
Is he also a child molester is what I am wondering now.
Just google the 'Franklin cover up' and you learn that the US govt is riddled with pedophiles,
The same goes with canadian govt, british govt, the so called royals, and the churches.
They are all into satanic ritual torture and murder of children, with a world wide network in place.
Those creatures hold a distinct advantage...they are highly organized and operate in secret...and have infiltrated every group or organization that has any influence over anything.
I wasn't kidding when I said that i have done a lot of research into how this planet operates.
And what they are involved in is beyond comprehension, and will turn your stomach.
Regards...
Toxic chemical troll quote:Troll at the top. You, the troglodyte, at the bottom. See the difference. The one on the top is happy, carefree and smiling. The one on the bottom hates the world and just wants to do harm were ever he goes.
" At least trolls get out and about. "
Evidently they do...but they still hate it when you refer to then, instead of addressing them directly.
Never look a troll, crazy person, or a drunk in the eye..unless you like being spit, drooled, or slobbered upon when they speak.
Regards...
And of course we can't forget that the entire thing is just a con job masquerading as a fantasy about helping poor people and in a broader sense revolutionizing the world. In that context, no CICU will ever sell a working QEG to a customer, EVER.In the link you posted there is reference to a video that I do not recall seeing. But this guy did make the following observations from the video
Another comedic aspect of this whole farce is that if a fantasy hypothetical QEG was supposed to output the equivalent of mains power, it would have to be UL and CE certified. Certainly Jamie knows this, he worked for an electrical appliance manufacturer. Yet HopeGirl has never mentioned it once.
I have a dream.
The dream is to one day post mug shots of HopeGirl, Jamie, and Val.
In this video (http://youtu.be/y-c57Ib5HaA), they're using a transformer to "filter out" the reactive power, force the voltage and current into phase, and somehow convert reactive into real power. (Actually, they've apparently connected some sort of resistive load to the transformer, for which you expect voltage and current to be in phase, but never mind.)[/size]Thing is, they're connecting to the 3100 turn side of the machine, which is the one that contains the capacitors. And indeed, when they initially scope the leads on that side, it looks (from the relative voltage of the two traces shown) like current is leading voltage, which is precisely what you expect on a capacitor bank. I don't know what help it'd be trying to force current into phase with voltage on that side, given that the output is actually on the other winding, but, y'know, whatever makes you happy.What they are doing, though, is using the cap bank to produce a huge amount of reactive power. It will do that, naturally, and I think that's ultimately the point of the capacitors. They're throwing the caps across one set of windings, and it's generating a lot of VArs back into the machine, and also raising the voltage on those windings in order to support those VArs. Then, you take a semi-ignorant engineer or technician, who measures the current and voltage, multiplies, and, hey presto! Overunity! All this business about "resonance" is bunkum. They could put the same capacitors straight across the wall socket, and get similar results. (Well, not quite, since the reactive power would go back out the wall and into the power grid, but at any rate the rotating part of the machine is more for show than anything.)They're apparently clueful enough to realize that it's reactive power they're seeing, and to realize that the reactive power itself is pretty much useless in this context. So, trying to convert it to real power makes sense, assuming you don't understand how it comes into being, because if you did, you'd know that (a) the relation between the voltage and current is driven by the load, not the source alone, therefore you need to change the load to change the power factor; and (b) once you do change the load, you find that the reactive power doesn't turn into real power, but instead it just sort of vanishes. They are also apparently not clueful enough to realize that waving your hands carelessly around anything requiring a 20 kV probe, or involving an unguarded rotating shaft, is a bad idea.
Just for the heck of it, I posted to Kevin Blundell's YouTube channel. He is the main guy responsible for QEG Canada:
Kevin, you stated this in June, "So, we have the circuit to convert the out of phase power, VARS into usable power...and there is a great deal more of it in the QEG than usable traditional in phase power. It is so simple. All you have to do, is let go of traditional brain washing and see the truth."
Sorry Kevin, but you are just parroting what you have been told, and you have been conned. If Evens really believes this then where is he now, it's three months later, does he have a circuit to convert reactive power into real power? "Reactive power" isn't even power, it's just the energy stored in the QEG's funky LC resonator. There are about four Joules stored in the LC resonator - that's one watt of power for four seconds, or four watts of power for one second. That's it, that's all there is. In the QEG output power must come from the source, the electric motor. In between the input and the output there is the LC resonator that can only store four Joules of energy - your famous "VARS." There is NO conversion of "unphased" power to "phased" power - it's all nonsense.
You are on the verge of doing a real build. Once it is built then you will rely on Evens to "do the magic." Evens will probably try to make it work up until Christmas before giving up in frustration. There will be no road show to demonstrate your amazing free energy device - because it doesn't work and it will never work.
The challenge for you Kevin is to speak out when you finally realize that you have been conned. I read your Skype chats where you wanted to eject someone from the room that was questioning this whole thing. You will realize that he was right the whole time and you became the suppressor. I am just giving you the straight goods. You have been sucked into a total BS vortex. You are fully aware that Be-Do is basically dead and there is no positive development information anywhere. I am begging you to speak out against this crap when you finally realize that you have been conned to prevent it from happening to someone else. That is your real challenge.
Who makes that “renewable” energy?
Did you make it?
How much do you pay to breath air a month?
Who do you pay money to breath air?
Because it is “renewable” means what exactly to you?
QuoteQuote from: MileHigh on September 14, 2014, 06:14:50 AM
And of course we can't forget that the entire thing is just a con job masquerading as a fantasy about helping poor people and in a broader sense revolutionizing the world. In that context, no CICU will ever sell a working QEG to a customer, EVER.
Another comedic aspect of this whole farce is that if a fantasy hypothetical QEG was supposed to output the equivalent of mains power, it would have to be UL and CE certified. Certainly Jamie knows this, he worked for an electrical appliance manufacturer. Yet HopeGirl has never mentioned it once.
I have a dream.
The dream is to one day post mug shots of HopeGirl, Jamie, and Val.
In the link you posted there is reference to a video that I do not recall seeing. But this guy did make the following observations from the videoQuoteQuote
In this video, they're using a transformer to "filter out" the reactive power, force the voltage and current into phase, and somehow convert reactive into real power. (Actually, they've apparently connected some sort of resistive load to the transformer, for which you expect voltage and current to be in phase, but never mind.)[/size]Thing is, they're connecting to the 3100 turn side of the machine, which is the one that contains the capacitors. And indeed, when they initially scope the leads on that side, it looks (from the relative voltage of the two traces shown) like current is leading voltage, which is precisely what you expect on a capacitor bank. I don't know what help it'd be trying to force current into phase with voltage on that side, given that the output is actually on the other winding, but, y'know, whatever makes you happy.What they are doing, though, is using the cap bank to produce a huge amount of reactive power. It will do that, naturally, and I think that's ultimately the point of the capacitors. They're throwing the caps across one set of windings, and it's generating a lot of VArs back into the machine, and also raising the voltage on those windings in order to support those VArs. Then, you take a semi-ignorant engineer or technician, who measures the current and voltage, multiplies, and, hey presto! Overunity! All this business about "resonance" is bunkum. They could put the same capacitors straight across the wall socket, and get similar results. (Well, not quite, since the reactive power would go back out the wall and into the power grid, but at any rate the rotating part of the machine is more for show than anything.)They're apparently clueful enough to realize that it's reactive power they're seeing, and to realize that the reactive power itself is pretty much useless in this context. So, trying to convert it to real power makes sense, assuming you don't understand how it comes into being, because if you did, you'd know that (a) the relation between the voltage and current is driven by the load, not the source alone, therefore you need to change the load to change the power factor; and (b) once you do change the load, you find that the reactive power doesn't turn into real power, but instead it just sort of vanishes. They are also apparently not clueful enough to realize that waving your hands carelessly around anything requiring a 20 kV probe, or involving an unguarded rotating shaft, is a bad idea.
In the link you posted there is reference to a video that I do not recall seeing. But this guy did make the following observations from the videoThis is an important first hand account that you have posted here of ethereal VARs. I think this needs to be posted on be-do.com. Get the juices flowing again over there as it were, put the cat among the pigeons, and so on and so on .... I'd be happy to do that if you would provide me with a brief introduction of the work you are doing. A little background to provide context for this important observation.
I can say I am able to observe the reactive power (activity) disappear when I tune the L/C tank with a fluro light fora load due to
it's nature, the activity builds up to several hundred volts and a couple of amps or so before the fluro strikes into conduction
when the voltage drops to 100 v or less while the current remains similar. A couple to a few hundred "VAR's" just go "poof" and
disappear, while the output is only a couple to a few Watts of real power hundreds of "VAR's" vanish.
It also happens when a resistive load or an inductive load is placed across the tank in slightly different ways-amounts.
Without the resistive load activity can be in the hundreds of vars but with the resistive load no amount of tuning can produce
more than 70 or 80% of the input as dissipated energy or consumed power.
With an inductive load like a transformer the VAR's can be kept fairly high in the L/C tank feeding the transformer but not at the
same level as no load and the load on the transformer can only dissipate at most 70 to 80% of the total input as well.
It's very easy to produce high VAR's in a tank, then load the tank in different ways to observe these things first hand.
What is not so easy is producing results that will be considered valid to an engineer or similar. Simply put nothing shown
that is outside of accepted engineering type results without engineering standard tests and methods can be accepted,
and that is fair and right as we trust these people to make things safe for us..
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I find it hilarious that so many people think they will one day get a free energy device that outputs the energy needs of
their home for next to nothing while going against the laws of physics, considering those same people will be wanting
an electrician trained in the very laws they deny to come and install it even though he would not understand it and have
no way of understanding how he can install it safely without knowing how it produces it's power output. Simply ridiculous.
Unless you can legally connect it to the grid then it needs to be a stand alone system, something the FTW groups will never
show because it is impossible to do the way they claim. It could be a stand alone unit if it had a wind turbine or a generator
of electricity from environmental energy input to supply it be then it would be useless anyway.
The QEG itself has no mechanism to harness environmental energy. And there is no evidence to support that it can.
Zero Evidence !!!!!
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You are a giant (psysical) capacitor...low pf. RF is tough man that's why I went into digital. Too much hocus pocus for me.
So my question is.... Is that safe ? To be close enough to increase the input by approaching the setup with my hand means my
body is causing the setup to be more in tune and therefore I must conclude it might be possible that I'm part of the setup I'm
trying to measure. I'm not sure I;ll ever be able to get truly accurate measurements with my means. :-\ No matter.
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You are a giant (psysical) capacitor...low pf. RF is tough man that's why I went into digital. Too much hocus pocus for me.
I see the post counter is working again. I'm about 200 posts behind.
Again, the QEG is just a way for the poor to “tap” in to the free energy to get away from paying over inflated money for free energy.
PCB:Perhaps I'll contact him and suggest he send me one of the cores. I will be happily build the QEG for him. We are a woodworking business but I have a friend with an engineering workshop close by. I think its interesting the effects that Farmhand recently posted when he tried to draw "real" power and saw his Vars disappear. The same thing will happen with the QEG of course. Like you said per Simon's calc there if only about 2 - 4 Joules of energy stored in the tank circuit. There is no magical way for the energy to enter the system. It seems strange to me that Jamie has not gotten as far as FarmHand, else he has and is just lying about it. Not seen any recent post from HG. The use of an Ariel to capture charge, ground currents, or at least something, is Jamie's desperate attempt to redeem the situation. He now knows that WITTS cond him and FTW gang have egg all over their faces, plus they have pulled down over a $100,000+ from a gullible, but ignorant, crowd of supporters.
Great data mining! lol Yes that is Kevin of QEG Canada. I had just reposted a posting I made on his first YouTube clip. Also, I recalled afterwards reading how his partner Evens was in China of all places. So after London apparently Evens went to China to bring a QEG to life with his (still unproven, not hopeful with the "A" vector nonsense and failure) engineering expertise. Dial twiddling! It makes you wonder.
Kevin seems desperate to get engineering support. If Evens is back in Montreal he may be working full time. There could be a form of "Catch 22" at play. You need a qualified engineer but a qualified engineer wouldn't ever touch it.
It fits the pattern for a presumed typical QEG group. Nobody with real technical knowledge trying to do basic circuit analysis, a phenomenon that you see elsewhere.
Good luck Kevin and I am waiting for you to flip! lol
MileHigh
Perhaps I'll contact him and suggest he send me one of the cores. I will be happily build the QEG for him. We are a woodworking business but I have a friend with an engineering workshop close by. I think its interesting the effects that Farmhand recently posted when he tried to draw "real" power and saw his Vars disappear. The same thing will happen with the QEG of course. Like you said per Simon's calc there if only about 2 - 4 Joules of energy stored in the tank circuit. There is no magical way for the energy to enter the system. It seems strange to me that Jamie has not gotten as far as FarmHand, else he has and is just lying about it. Not seen any recent post from HG. The use of an Ariel to capture charge, ground currents, or at least something, is Jamie's desperate attempt to redeem the situation. He now knows that WITTS cond him and FTW gang have egg all over their faces, plus they have pulled down over a $100,000+ from a gullible, but ignorant, crowd of supporters.
Just for the heck of it, I posted to Kevin Blundell's YouTube channel. He is the main guy responsible for QEG Canada:
Kevin,...
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Milehigh, forget about “renewable energy” which I don't agree is renewable based on the way it is used.
To get back to the Hopegirl QEG, you have to understand the way water ripples work. Where the starting ripple is someone who knows that it is a scam or perhaps does not understand the thing fully. It is the source of the ripple nonetheless. ok.
Lets say that WITTS (the ripple) is just benefiting on it and clamming it works 100%. So then he hides the technology and others are only guessing how it might work. Hopegirl might have fallen for this “hope”.
She may have fallen for this WITTS technology if it actually works and she wants the poor to benefit from it and unplug from the system. What we have here is her being scammed by the beliefs of the technology actually working. Now we have yet a victim with good intentions being scammed. With all of the trips and intentions, it is only a matter of time for the truth to come out eventually.
But then again, WITTS machine may actually works but he does not want to give the secret ingredient to the recipe. This project may have find the truth or may only find out that they where giving false hopes....
Still, I don't see how one can see this movement as something negative...in fact this is all going out to see the truth which is what everyone wants. Don't blame or insult the movement since they never needed your approval to start in the first place. What they are doing is very very brave putting themselves out there like they are. I'm sure you would never find the courage to take such a risk to your reputation.
Pretty simple stuff.
joe
Milehigh, forget about “renewable energy” which I don't agree is renewable based on the way it is used.
To get back to the Hopegirl QEG, you have to understand the way water ripples work. Where the starting ripple is someone who knows that it is a scam or perhaps does not understand the thing fully. It is the source of the ripple nonetheless. ok.
Lets say that WITTS (the ripple) is just benefiting on it and clamming it works 100%. So then he hides the technology and others are only guessing how it might work. Hopegirl might have fallen for this “hope”.
She may have fallen for this WITTS technology if it actually works and she wants the poor to benefit from it and unplug from the system. What we have here is her being scammed by the beliefs of the technology actually working. Now we have yet a victim with good intentions being scammed. With all of the trips and intentions, it is only a matter of time for the truth to come out eventually.
But then again, WITTS machine may actually works but he does not want to give the secret ingredient to the recipe. This project may have find the truth or may only find out that they where giving false hopes....
Still, I don't see how one can see this movement as something negative...in fact this is all going out to see the truth which is what everyone wants. Don't blame or insult the movement since they never needed your approval to start in the first place. What they are doing is very very brave putting themselves out there like they are. I'm sure you would never find the courage to take such a risk to your reputation.
Pretty simple stuff.
joe
Milehigh, forget about “renewable energy” which I don't agree is renewable based on the way it is used.Joe: WITTS have never delivered on the world changing technology that they claim, including their version of this entirely useless contraption. Neither Naima (Hope Girl) nor James, nor anyone else ever obtained one nanoJoule of excess energy from any of their devices. There is nothing in FTW's measurements that suggests surplus energy. Their claims to excess energy have no basis in theory or experiment. That's the truth. What has come from the Robitaille clan is one misrepresentation or outright lie after another. Those lies have induced well intentioned people to part with money thinking it will speed along arrival of a world changing machine. The funds have done nothing of the sort. They have financed the Robitaille's travel and entertainment. For the money invested so far in the Robitaille's false claims, 10,000 families that rely on kerosene could have been provided with solar powered LED lights. That would be 10,000 families that would no longer be spending 30% of their income on kerosene fuel for light. Actions have consequences.
To get back to the Hopegirl QEG, you have to understand the way water ripples work. Where the starting ripple is someone who knows that it is a scam or perhaps does not understand the thing fully. It is the source of the ripple nonetheless. ok.
Lets say that WITTS (the ripple) is just benefiting on it and clamming it works 100%. So then he hides the technology and others are only guessing how it might work. Hopegirl might have fallen for this “hope”.
She may have fallen for this WITTS technology if it actually works and she wants the poor to benefit from it and unplug from the system. What we have here is her being scammed by the beliefs of the technology actually working. Now we have yet a victim with good intentions being scammed. With all of the trips and intentions, it is only a matter of time for the truth to come out eventually.
But then again, WITTS machine may actually works but he does not want to give the secret ingredient to the recipe. This project may have find the truth or may only find out that they where giving false hopes....
Still, I don't see how one can see this movement as something negative...in fact this is all going out to see the truth which is what everyone wants. Don't blame or insult the movement since they never needed your approval to start in the first place. What they are doing is very very brave putting themselves out there like they are. I'm sure you would never find the courage to take such a risk to your reputation.
Pretty simple stuff.
joe
There is an explanation for quantum energy generators. We have alot of them converting atomic binding energy into kinetic energy. There is also a whole slew of low energy nuclear reactions coming in from the fringe. It could be that some of these people like Witt had a transmutation process going like taking some iron isotope and converting it into cobalt. Electron capture initiates neutron decay into a proton and beta radiation. The strong nuclear force keeps the proton at home forming a new element and the fast beta particle loses some of it's energy bumping another electron into the core of adjacent atoms. Not all the beta is absorbed in the collision and you get alot of fast electrons originally moving at relativistic velocities now moving at the snails pace electrons move through a conductor. This is all dictated by the weak nuclear force. It could explain how some of these backyard science people come up with anomalous "heating"effects like hot light bulbs.
Joe: WITTS have never delivered on the world changing technology that they claim, including their version of this entirely useless contraption. Neither Naima (Hope Girl) nor James, nor anyone else ever obtained one nanoJoule of excess energy from any of their devices. There is nothing in FTW's measurements that suggests surplus energy. Their claims to excess energy have no basis in theory or experiment. That's the truth. What has come from the Robitaille clan is one misrepresentation or outright lie after another. Those lies have induced well intentioned people to part with money thinking it will speed along arrival of a world changing machine. The funds have done nothing of the sort. They have financed the Robitaille's travel and entertainment. For the money invested so far in the Robitaille's false claims, 10,000 families that rely on kerosene could have been provided with solar powered LED lights. That would be 10,000 families that would no longer be spending 30% of their income on kerosene fuel for light. Actions have consequences.
There is an explanation for quantum energy generators. We have alot of them converting atomic binding energy into kinetic energy. There is also a whole slew of low energy nuclear reactions coming in from the fringe. It could be that some of these people like Witt had a transmutation process going like taking some iron isotope and converting it into cobalt. Electron capture initiates neutron decay into a proton and beta radiation. The strong nuclear force keeps the proton at home forming a new element and the fast beta particle loses some of it's energy bumping another electron into the core of adjacent atoms. Not all the beta is absorbed in the collision and you get alot of fast electrons originally moving at relativistic velocities now moving at the snails pace electrons move through a conductor. This is all dictated by the weak nuclear force. It could explain how some of these backyard science people come up with anomalous "heating"effects like hot light bulbs.The simple, direct, and correct explanation is that the claims WITTS and FTW make are lies. Come up with the surplus energy first. Then it makes sense to try and explain such a thing. Since neither Witts nor FTW have demonstrated surplus energy, there is nothing to explain beyond the shameless behavior of both.
Dude i'm a newbie to this but I find it unbelievable that someone in here with 3386 posts (like you) not capable of seeing what is really going on.
I seriously find it incredibly hard to understand why you don't understand this simple stuff.
The intentions of hopegirl are just to unplug yourself from the system...
Hope girl just wants to help the non-technical people where the technical people are just cash cows only.
Joe:
That posting was basically a repeat of your discussion about renewable energy. You have been told repeatedly that we are not discussing renewable energy in this thread. What is your problem? There is no connection whatsoever between renewable energy and the QEG.
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Please understand, in this discussion you are free to make real points and make your arguments. But going off topic and talking about renewable energy or making Straw Man arguments about some people or making unsubstantiated allegations about the QEG will not impress anybody.
You have to be real and truthful and stay on topic. Are you capable of seeing what is really going on?
MileHigh
Every sun mass star and below emits a neutrino for *each* hydrogen to hydrogen fusion, in the PEP-II pathway. Also exploding NOVA stars only explode because of incredibly copious production of neutrinos drives the explosion forward. So there are a lot of them around.
They carry away the precise angular momentum energy of constituents to the PEP reaction. Neutrinos are normally ghostlike particles that
move though matter with an extremely low probability of interaction. But in a Planck interaction if the reaction needs just the right
amount of energy available to the neutrino the probabilities go out the window and a neutrino supplies it's energy to the reaction.
Enough energy to bond the proton and electron which then merge into a neutron with => no additional energy left over <= a neutron
drifts away and gets absorbed into another local atomic nucleus, increasing it's neutron count by one, if this neutron makes the nucleus
radioactive, the nuclear process fission proceeds to generate heat. Notice that this reaction is not a chain reaction, but is rate limited
by the presence of additional neutrinos and the conditions of other matter. Which atomic nucleus absorbs the drift neutron can be to
some extent dependent on the material configuration around the reaction site.
Question to knowledgeable physicist: Is there systemic balance that is violated if a neutrino is absorbed by a configuration
of electron and proton to create the neutron? If not the reaction is not accidental as the energy of the PEP-II neutrino has
been calculated as exactly what is required to form the electron and proton into a neutron.
Dude i'm a newbie to this but I find it unbelievable that someone in here with 3386 posts (like you) not capable of seeing what is really going on.
After watching videos upon videos showing how “free energy” is gathered from the earth is amazing how you don't believe it is a fact 100%.
Like the hoover damn...all of that energy is “gathered” from the river flow ENERGY only. ...there are a lot of other “over unity” devices out there that have worked since 30 yrs ago (or more).
Sorry SeaMonkey, I am not buying. Recently you have been pushing "C," "ET," and "J" and making strategic little postings to try to change the subject and get some "action." Just start your own thread or threads instead. There is no connection between renewable energy and the QEG and I am pretty damn sure that you know that too.
“Joe: WITTS have never delivered on the world changing technology that they claim, including their version of this entirely useless contraption. Neither Naima (Hope Girl) nor James, nor anyone else ever obtained one nanoJoule of excess energy from any of their devices. There is nothing in FTW's measurements that suggests surplus energy. Their claims to excess energy have no basis in theory or experiment. That's the truth. What has come from the Robitaille clan is one misrepresentation or outright lie after another. Those lies have induced well intentioned people to part with money thinking it will speed along arrival of a world changing machine. The funds have done nothing of the sort. They have financed the Robitaille's travel and entertainment. For the money invested so far in the Robitaille's false claims, 10,000 families that rely on kerosene could have been provided with solar powered LED lights. That would be 10,000 families that would no longer be spending 30% of their income on kerosene fuel for light. Actions have consequences.”
Dude i'm a newbie to this but I find it unbelievable that someone in here with 3386 posts (like you) not capable of seeing what is really going on.
After watching videos upon videos showing how “free energy” is gathered from the earth is amazing how you don't believe it is a fact 100%.
One can only guess at her intentions. One can observe that her actions are a series of lies. One can observe that the machine she touts can never provide the free lunch that she promises it will for the buyer as opposed to the free travel her promotions have afforded her.
Like the hoover damn...all of that energy is “gathered” from the river flow ENERGY only. Then you have solar power gathering energy from the light. Then you have air power gathering energy from the air...HECK we breath “free energy” when we take a breath each day since the air is a way to gather energy...eating food is a way to gather energy too. Drinking water is yet another way to gather “free energy”...it is all over the place this “free collecting energy” that I find it hard to understand why you have a hard time to understand.
The intentions of hopegirl are just to unplug yourself from the system...that's all....lets say the QEG goes down in the history books...no problem...we have others...”bloom box” rivers to tap too...etc....i mean how hard is it to believe that on every river there can can be a generator? Is it illegal for me to create a small hoover damb for my house?
As there is no evidence of such a thing, it is easy to imagine, but hard to believe.
How hard is it to believe that there are engines that can run on water?
Torches that can create a flame and melt metal when it is fueled by water?Again there is no evidence of such things. Show me the hydrogen torch that operates stand alone from a bucket of water and I'll look very closely.
All of this technology is just being suppressed by greed....i mean just read about the history of money.How is it that you both describe this stuff and claim that it is suppressed? Electrolysis is widely studied. Suppression is a convenient excuse offered for why claims don't match reality.
It started by the exchange of goods...and now there is no exchange of goods....printed paper for infinity only. I think I read the difference between printing a $100 dollar bill VS a $1 dollar bill.. its like ten cents difference between the two.....they pay for the ink to print two zeros and different graphics.Really? Then please identify at least one and let's get it going.
There is so much evidence...if the QEG fails to make it in the masses...there are a lot of other “over unity” devices out there that have worked since 30 yrs ago (or more).
Simple: Where's your evidence to back your bravado?
The problem is that most of the inventors want to get rich but soon get faded out.....their only hope is to make it free for all and then it can't never get faded out because the people are voters. I seriously find it incredibly hard to understand why you don't understand this simple stuff.
So far, Hope Girl has swindled more than $100K from a bunch of wide eyed dreamers. She has in a year of claiming to be just weeks away from offering a free lunch for all delivered nothing but disappointment to those who have funded her.
Hope girl just wants to help the non-technical people where the technical people are just cash cows only. Make it open source...they stop being afraid of being persecuted.
There seems to be a definition issue here. Liars like the Robitaille clan and WITTS claim that they get energy from unrecognized sources. They are unable to show actual surplus energy out in excess or conventional energy measured going in. Renewable sources like: hydro, wind, and solar are all recognized energy sources.
One can only guess at her intentions. One can observe that her actions are a series of lies. One can observe that the machine she touts can never provide the free lunch that she promises it will for the buyer as opposed to the free travel her promotions have afforded her.
As there is no evidence of such a thing, it is easy to imagine, but hard to believe.The army just posted such a find bro. Google it which it makes be feel like you are not being up to date to the technology. The army will power their boats in the future with water from the ocean. Plus other people have raned cars in the past with water only....no gasoline...and i'm a newbie here!
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Again there is no evidence of such things. Show me the hydrogen torch that operates stand alone from a bucket of water and I'll look very closely.youtube it...you are not a GOD.
How is it that you both describe this stuff and claim that it is suppressed? Electrolysis is widely studied. Suppression is a convenient excuse offered for why claims don't match reality.Go interview the manager that priints money and ask them how much does it cost to print a one dollar bill VS a 100 dollar bill...i'll bet you one dollar it is in the 10-20 cents difference. DO you want me to spoon feed you the info...I can't...but the facts are there.
Simple: Where's your evidence to back your bravado?How do you explain the energy the earth gets to sustain itself for millions of years?
You have to see that their QEG is only one of many out there.....if you see in the micro world, from where is the atom getting its energy? From hoover damn?The QEG is indeed only one of many claimed free energy devices that do not work. What you think connects scams like these to nuclear physics or hydroelectric dams escapes me.
Or we can keep things much simpler and and put aside any attempt to divine out intentions. The Robitailles have demonstrated that they lie freely, don't understand basic physics or electronics, and have nothing that substantiates their grandiose claims.
You have to understand how to psychoanalyze a person to understand their intentions. Show me proof of how well you can read peoples intentions, then I can find you as a legit person who understands peoples' intentions. As of now, I feel like you nannot understand peoples' intentions at all.
No, the US Navy has stated that they have been working on a process to use masssive electrical energy to produce liquid fuels from seawater and CO2 from the atmosphere.
The army just posted such a find bro. Google it which it makes be feel like you are not being up to date to the technology. The army will power their boats in the future with water from the ocean.
No, there are people who have made claims to have done such things. No one has ever proven that they have done such a thing. You are establishing a pattern of making false claims.
Plus other people have raned cars in the past with water only....no gasoline...and i'm a newbie here!youtube it...you are not a GOD.
Why would anything to do with a monetary system of policy have the least bearing on the fact that the Robitailles lie shamelessly and cannot deliver on their promises?
Go interview the manager that priints money and ask them how much does it cost to print a one dollar bill VS a 100 dollar bill...i'll bet you one dollar it is in the 10-20 cents difference.
Do you think ranting helps your cause?
DO you want me to spoon feed you the info...I can't...but the facts are there. How do you explain the energy the earth gets to sustain itself for millions of years?
Break it down to magnetism, light, air, sound, and gravity....you can throw in “the big bang” there if you want to...but break it down to the source of all ENERGY!
The QEG is indeed only one of many claimed free energy devices that do not work. What you think connects scams like these to nuclear physics or hydroelectric dams escapes me.
Or we can keep things much simpler and and put aside any attempt to divine out intentions. The Robitailles have demonstrated that they lie freely, don't understand basic physics or electronics, and have nothing that substantiates their grandiose claims.
No, the US Navy has stated that they have been working on a process to use masssive electrical energy to produce liquid fuels from seawater and CO2 from the atmosphere.
No, there are people who have made claims to have done such things. No one has ever proven that they have done such a thing. You are establishing a pattern of making false claims.
Why would anything to do with a monetary system of policy have the least bearing on the fact that the Robitailles lie shamelessly and cannot deliver on their promises?
Do you think ranting helps your cause?
How is not the hoover damn some type of QEG?The Hoover Dam is a hydroelectric power plant. The "Quantum Energy Generator" that is the subject of this thread is a variable reluctance parametric oscillator, and does not involve water at all, is mechanically driven by a big honking ELECTRIC MOTOR that could even run on some of the electricity generated by HOOVER DAM. Hoover Dam is big and has a road across it. The QEG is small, fits in your garage and is potted in plastic. The HOOVER DAM is NOT a QEG.
Well if you know your history, they are just doing something that you are too afraid of doing. Marting luther king, ghandi, tesla. SIMPLE stuff!You cannot provide any reference for this claim. Go ahead, provide some link that supports this contention that "the army" posted such a statement. You cannot. "Do some more digging".... No, YOU MADE THE CLAIM, it is up to you to support it. I can claim that the Moon is made of Green Cheese, NASA issued a press release last month. Did you miss it? DO SOME MORE DIGGING.
NOO! The army posted that they have found a way to power an engine with sea water and will do it in the future. But you will still drive your car with gasoline lol. Do some more digging.
What guy? What mystery? Where is your support for this claim?
Well the guy got killed...mysteriously.
Can you imagine the day when water replaces oil? Imagine you make millions of dollars and all of a sudden this guy comes and says that all you need is water...there goes trillions of dollars in the trash. SIMPLE!
Thats your problem....you cannot see everything being connected together.
Is seeking truth like you are too! Tell me how well you understand the source of the energy? Where does the energy come from?
“O.U. devices "working for 30 years"???? Where is your evidence for such a silly statement? Just show us one...just one...that is all we would like to see. You just claimed that there are "a lot" of them so this should be easy for you to do. You will not be able to do this because there are NONE. Not one single device that has been proven to be overunity...period. So just name one and show the proof and we will all be thrilled.”
It is all over the INTERNET and I don't have time to spoon feed you the information that is 100% common sense out there all over the inter from bits and bits and bits and bits gathered and put them together.
A very well known fact that you can go see for your self and take pictures and maybe buy one and reverse engineer is the “bloom box” which Google and other companies have them.............
The Hoover Dam is a hydroelectric power plant. The "Quantum Energy Generator" that is the subject of this thread is a variable reluctance parametric oscillator, and does not involve water at all, is mechanically driven by a big honking ELECTRIC MOTOR that could even run on some of the electricity generated by HOOVER DAM. Hoover Dam is big and has a road across it. The QEG is small, fits in your garage and is potted in plastic. The HOOVER DAM is NOT a QEG.
You cannot provide any reference for this claim. Go ahead, provide some link that supports this contention that "the army" posted such a statement. You cannot. "Do some more digging".... No, YOU MADE THE CLAIM, it is up to you to support it. I can claim that the Moon is made of Green Cheese, NASA issued a press release last month. Did you miss it? DO SOME MORE DIGGING.
See what I mean? You make a claim, YOU must support it if you want to be taken seriously. But I can tell that you don't, really, since your posts are off topic and make these unsupported claims time and time again.
What guy? What mystery? Where is your support for this claim?
Your problem is that you are trying to connect unrelated things, like the FTW Quantum Energy Generator fraud that is the topic of this thread, with the Hoover Dam and your unsupported claims about running cars on water.
Are you still talking about hydroelectric powerplants like the Hoover Dam? As has been explained to you, the energy for that electricity comes from the sun. It's pretty clear to me that there are people posting on this thread that know a whole lot more than YOU know about "where the energy comes from".
You still have not been able to provide one single reference or link that demonstrates any of the "free energy" or overunity devices you say are so common. Why not? I know why, and so do many other people reading this thread. YOU CANNOT !
Quantum energy generator?
Quantum = In physics, a quantum (plural: quanta) is the minimum amount of any physical entity involved in an interaction. Behind this, one finds the fundamental notion that a physical property may be "quantized," referred to as "the hypothesis of quantization".[1] This means that the magnitude can take on only certain discrete values.
The minimum amount any physical entity is involved in. Apply that to the hoover dam and it is a QEG....unless I'm missing something? The scale of the size does not matter since we have atoms with electrons rotating around them with out a lithium battery. Why? Because the battery it's its surroundings. Simple.
Well I'm not the type to spoon feed food. If you are not capable of seeing the facts in front of your face, too bad. They are out there 100%. What will I gain if I take the trouble to convince you? At the end of the day you will just say “yes, you makes sense” after wasting my energy to convince you...no thanks. But I do speak about it because it is 100% facts.
Well if your intentions where more open minded, I would spend the ENERGY to dig up the facts, but you don't persuade me to do it...so just take my word for my good intentions or not....I'm pretty sure if I show you the evidence, you will thrown a skeptical flag on the field. Then we go back to me trying to convince you the OBVIOUS FACTS!
Well everything is connected together....all life is made in the same pot. Your problem is that you someone how don't see how the universe is all a big home made mama soup. The world is a geometrical puzzle. Everything is connected to everything. When it stops being connected, then it dies and gets recycled.
Please tell me you don't want free energy!!! That is the goal of all animals and the ONLY reason there is EVOLUTION due to free energy.....please clamp your nose to not breath FREE air for a 5 minutes to understand the FREE energy. How is not air free? Hmmmm...lets call it “renewable”! Then if becomes a commodity.
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the apparatus that HopeGirl and James Robitaille have foisted onto the community
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Joel, I am amused.Joel has no point of view worth considering. He is quite simply an idiot, a loon, a moron, get the picture. Let's look at his argument that the Hoover DAM is a QEG. He uses the word quantum and draws the conclusion that at some level water is quanta and therefore they are the same thing. He fails to understand that the its not the water that creates the electricity but the potential energy stored within it that that creates the electricity when the water is run through a turbine. No potential energy, no electricity. The water is just an energy transfer medium, it itself does not produce electricity. Energy is also a continuous thing, it is not quantized. Energy is not comprised of atoms.
I would like to pose one question, so that I might understand your point of view. (I doubt this is fully on-topic,
but it DOES have implications...)
First, the indisputable facts.
1. The name of this forum is... "Overunity.com" which, in a fully closed system, is theoretically impossible. Of
course, if there is any opening in the system, and that opening is currently undefined, then OU is possible, until
the opening IS defined. (Example: Heat pump - Usually COP > 4.0 , if you ignore thermal input from surroundings.)
2. The properties you were just discussing referenced "Free Energy", which is not the same concept.
(Example: Heat pump - If evap coils outside, no cost to you or freely available.)
The ONLY Question at this time: Could you please define what you consider the difference to be, between
OU and Free Energy, and how they can be related to each other? This would really improve my understanding
of what you are trying to say as I really can't make heads or tails of what your true point is.
(Or if you actually have one....)
No proofs... No referenced facts..... Just your opinion.
Only then could I ask where you would place the QEG re: the other devices you mention. I.E. Are the claims
made for it supportable? (and many more...)
Of course, if you're only here for the entertainment factor, feel free to ignore me completely.
I have a lot of engineer friends working on the QEG project. they raise money to build these QEG generators that they believe work. I would suggest that the only real way to prove or disprove the possibility of these machines is to build a generator and see if it works.
1.The name of this forum is... "Overunity.com" which, in a fully closed system, is theoretically impossible. Of course, if there is any opening in the system, and that opening is currently undefined, then OU is possible, until
the opening IS defined. (Example: Heat pump - Usually COP > 4.0 , if you ignore thermal input from surroundings.)
2.The properties you were just discussing referenced "Free Energy", which is not the same concept.
(Example: Heat pump - If evap coils outside, no cost to you or freely available.)
The ONLY Question at this time: Could you please define what you consider the difference to be, between
OU and Free Energy, and how they can be related to each other? This would really improve my understanding
of what you are trying to say as I really can't make heads or tails of what your true point is.
(Or if you actually have one....)
No proofs... No referenced facts..... Just your opinion.
Only then could I ask where you would place the QEG re: the other devices you mention. I.E. Are the claims
made for it supportable? (and many more...)
Of course, if you're only here for the entertainment factor, feel free to ignore me completely.
Well I myself don't believe in “over unity” (snip)
Don't be stupid my friend....(snip)
Like I said, hold your nose and cover your mouth(snip)
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This whole freaking movement and your argasmic love to electronics is to break free from the parasitic system.
He fails to understand that the its not the water that creates the electricity but the potential energy stored within it that that creates the electricity when the water is run through a turbine. No potential energy, no electricity. The water is just an energy transfer medium, it itself does not produce electricity. Energy is also a continuous thing, it is not quantized. Energy is not comprised of atoms.Quote
Well that is very easy to understand and I understood that 30 yrs ago.
If you are such a smart person tell from where does the electricity come from?
From where does the ENERGY come from in the first place? Your only answer can only be “we don't know” so all of this is just all a big domino effect trying to find a way to TAP in to the FREE energy that this world/universe provides.
Of course the water is flowing down due to the cold air that creates ice at the tip of the mountains and then it melts to slithers it's way down....this shyt you learn in middle school. It is all FREE energy going in circles....also water evaporates and creates clouds and moisture in the air makes ELECTRICITY (like a capacitor) and rain.....that is all a circle going and going for millions of years until the ozone layers goes belly up. ETC ETc
Now after you understanding this, don't you see the weather as a QEG?
Go away kid, you bother me. Your posts have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of this thread or of this whole website. Plus, you seem really to like to display your utter ignorance. So go do it somewhere else, where you might find some audience of like - "minded" people.
@TK
Your miniQEG has been cross referenced here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-quantum-energy-generator-qeg-10kw-out-for-1kw-in.3572/page-5 (https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-quantum-energy-generator-qeg-10kw-out-for-1kw-in.3572/page-5)
Yeah I will...you stay here debating till you die about not believing...i will evolve where you just stay here posting 50, 0000 posts with nothing really helpful for the whole earth or even your community or even science...
Quote from Joel321:I was never able to make this kind of sense to the OU snobbery!
"Don't be stupid my friend....when you electronically zap a magnet with magnetism...that magnetic energy gets “stuck” in the metal....I think I have 15 yr old magnets laying around....now use your brain...it is not “over unity”....but it took maybe less of a second to zap the metal to magnesite it for years/decades....prety simple the reasson is being magnetized is due to the metals surroundings. SIMPLE! Unless you can explain a “man made” magnet that stays magnetized for decades when it took less than a second to zap it in the factory"?
Joel, let me start by apologizing for my outrageous slander of your mental acuity in my previous post. It was unwarranted. I have gone back a read carefully your various postings and arguments on the subject of the QEG and renewables. Having thought about this carefully over the past 24 hrs, I must say I find your ideas compelling. Your reasoning on the matter is very subtle, and quite frankly a stroke of genius on your part. I fear the cretins is this forum will not likely appreciate such a profound and deep level of thinking. May I suggest that your share your thougths more broadly, with folks that have demonstrably higher levels of IQ. As as newbie to this forum I do not know how familiar you are with other discussions taking place in other places. I have put together a short list that you may like to look at and consider joining if you have not done so already.QuoteHe fails to understand that the its not the water that creates the electricity but the potential energy stored within it that that creates the electricity when the water is run through a turbine. No potential energy, no electricity. The water is just an energy transfer medium, it itself does not produce electricity. Energy is also a continuous thing, it is not quantized. Energy is not comprised of atoms.Quote
Well that is very easy to understand and I understood that 30 yrs ago.
If you are such a smart person tell from where does the electricity come from?
From where does the ENERGY come from in the first place? Your only answer can only be “we don't know” so all of this is just all a big domino effect trying to find a way to TAP in to the FREE energy that this world/universe provides.
Of course the water is flowing down due to the cold air that creates ice at the tip of the mountains and then it melts to slithers it's way down....this shyt you learn in middle school. It is all FREE energy going in circles....also water evaporates and creates clouds and moisture in the air makes ELECTRICITY (like a capacitor) and rain.....that is all a circle going and going for millions of years until the ozone layers goes belly up. ETC ETc
Now after you understanding this, don't you see the weather as a QEG?
TK, I missed that PESWiki or whatever had bad mouthed you till now, that's kinda weird ! I can't seem to find it. I would love to read that.
I know they claim to "out" fakes when they see them but, I can't get a grip on what they would be trying to get out of doing that,
accusing you of faking that is.
Faking what anyway ? ??? I'm having trouble keeping up even with this one thread, so many pages.
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TK,
The army is going to use water to power their boats. NASA is going to use the HYPER DRIVE to go to mars and other planets. All of this has already been proven in small scales...(snip irrelevant BS)
TK, I missed that PESWiki or whatever had bad mouthed you till now, that's kinda weird ! I can't seem to find it. I would love to read that.They do have a way there of editing, censoring and removing posts, and the maze of pages is a deliberate strategy to confuse and obfuscate their errors and ridiculous claims, while increasing stats for the advertisers.
I know they claim to "out" fakes when they see them but, I can't get a grip on what they would be trying to get out of doing that,
accusing you of faking that is.
Faking what anyway ? ??? I'm having trouble keeping up even with this one thread, so many pages.
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TK,The circuit, and simulations of it, have been posted several times in this thread and in other threads. It is a basic Royer/Mazilli oscillator with some specific component values. Here is one version of the schematic that I have posted.
Can you post the circuit drawing for your micro QEG?
(Or a link to where you posted the drawing).
GL.
TK,
Why not put some kits together. I would buy one!
I'm going to open up a chain of stores called "Radio Shack Classic+." You can buy all your parts for your projects and look at the CB radios and admire the Garrard Zero 100 turntables. Look at how beautiful they are. Yes, there will even be a tube tester. ;D
Our keen employees can even advise you on your projects. You will be in heaven.
I have hired a guaranteed super Internet buzz meister/demand creation _deep_ geek and consciousness and spirituality consultant guy. Wait till you see when we turn on the spigots for the crowd funding! It will be like manna from heaven! Bloated with money.
TK,
Why not put some kits together. I would buy one!
You called the Bloom Box a free energy device before and then it was clearly explained to you that it is a device <b>that consumes fuel.</b> just made reference to it again. Why? It's not relevant and it is not free energy. You have repeatedly been told that renewable energy has nothing to do with the QEG yet you are still talking about renewable energy.
You are the one totally lacking in imagination and you fail to demonstrate any critical thinking skills. You make reference to a magnet and make an implication that it is associated with free energy. That's nothing more than you failing to think.
Care to explain why or where you attained the notion that Bloom Box may be a free energy device?
I can give you the reason for those going under real quick after seeking funding. Its called skipping town, a.k.a. taking the money and running.
@MarkE,Synchro1QuoteQuote from MarkE:
"Energy was imparted to the magnet and the magnet retained that energy. Why is that difficult to understand? We have these things called b u i l d i n g s where we have lifted materials, imparting them with GPE. Some are still going strong after thousands of years, still retaining the GPE that we imparted during construction".
The "Impulse Energy", more accurately, transmutes the ferrite into a higher isotope!
This transmutation involves a quantum leap of electrons into higher atomic orbits. The magnet is a different element then the ferrite. This transmutation is accompanied by an adiabatic transition and a release of electrical power.
@MarkE,Synchro1 you really seem to take great delight in being horribly wrong.
You're the one that needs a dictionary!
Firstly: "Ferrite may refer to: Ferrite (iron)".
"Iron is a chemical element (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element) with the symbol Fe (from Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_language): ferrum and atomic number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_number) 26. It is a metal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal) in the first transition series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_transition_series)".
Secondly: Transition series refers to the isotopes, magnets in line.
Thirdly: "The magnetocaloric effect (MCE, from magnet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet) and calorie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie)) is a magneto-thermodynamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic) phenomenon in which a temperature change of a suitable material is caused by exposing the material to a changing magnetic field".
Fourthly:
ferrite, ferrite [Credit: Omegatron]a ceramic-like material with magnetic properties that are useful in many types of electronic devices. Ferrites are hard, brittle, iron-containing, and generally gray or black and are polycrystalline—i.e., made up of a large number of small crystals. They are composed of iron oxide and one or more other metals in chemical combination.
A ferrite is formed by the reaction of ferric oxide (iron oxide or rust) with any of a number of other metals, including magnesium, aluminum, barium, manganese, copper, nickel, cobalt, or even iron itself.
A ferrite is usually described by the formula M(FexOy), where M represents any metal that forms divalent bonds, such as any of the elements mentioned earlier. Nickel ferrite, for instance, is NiFe2O4, and manganese ferrite is MnFe2O4; both are spinel minerals. The garnet mineral known as YIG, containing the rare-earth element yttrium, has the formula Y3Fe5
@MarkE,I see, so you're going for full-on offensive. When heat is exchanged with the environment, the process is no longer adiabatic.
Quote from MarkE:
"Magnetocaloric effects are not adiabatic".
Clean your glasses off and see if you can read the last two words in this paragraph:
"The magnetocaloric effect (MCE, from magnet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet) and calorie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie)) is a magneto-thermodynamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic) phenomenon in which a temperature change of a suitable material is caused by exposing the material to a changing magnetic field. This is also known by low temperature physicists as adiabatic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_process) demagnetization".
Adiabatic means there's a temperature change without heat transfer. Look MarkE, I want you to stop confusing people while acting as a know it all.
You're really really STUPID!
I see, so you're going for full-on offensive. When heat is exchanged with the environment, the process is no longer adiabatic.
ACG
Well first tell me what is not free?
And then tell me why it is not free?
Then put FREE on a scale and graph it. From the less FREE to the most FREE. IOW, look at the work FREE as not static....but look at it which FREE is more FREE!
In my head it is all pretty simple...to try to make you understands it takes ENERGY...not free (monetary) since my fingers are typing and i'm paying for Internet service...
After we understand the word FREE, then we can look at the rest. YARA YARA YARA.
The media right now has a hold on your brain. One commercial you probably watch 60 times a day if you watch TV. This they do based on science....to desensitize you and make you a zombie. Do you understand this right if you are intelligent? OK you do...so lets move forward.
In order to “break free” from the brain washing you need to try hard...but you will trust me. Etc etc etc.
SO in order for me to take you seriously, you need to tell me how you broke FREE from the media brain washing first. Which I don't know but you can (and I can) prove it real easy with a few words of logic.
Then after you break free then we can have some beers together on week ends and share some ideas. YARAYARAYARA.
Point being....you kind of feel proud that what I said relates to what QEG girl has said....hmmmm....you somehow feel like she is taking advantage of the world...hmmm....if you are for justice and not just a jersey shore (TV show) watcher....you must care that the government is printing money with out repercussions....that is going in to politics....which has to deal with socialism and what not. For another subforum.
Now based on your blind sight, you cannot see the difference between movements that help and that don't help.
OK, TELL ME WHICH MOVEMENT I SHOULD FOLLOW based on your logic ACG?
How can you prove with facts that they run away with their pockets full of money? The only way to do that is if you understand that QEGs don't work 100% or know that some of them do?
Lets hear your answer?
Explain how the bloom box is going away? That 60 min video was from 5 years ago....you realize that right? And it is only taking energy from the air like they explained...the dude explained it is just sand with some other ingredients that one can probably recreate with..I would say 1000 dollars....but they are catering to the rich...fuck the poor. Can you imagine if the "bloom box" inventor online name being greedboy...lol
Joel, I watched the video on the Bloom Box and the inventor clearly states several times that the units consume fuel as in fuel gas in one specific case or some other fuel, as well as inputting fuel air also needs to be supplied. But without the fuel there is no output.
.... and also considering that the units require a continuous fuel supply, which must be paid for.
So before any free energy is produced they need to pay back the tax payers and the investors the hundreds of millions of dollars first.
He should be able to show a zero power bill or an amount of exported power from the unit that powers his home for free with no input of fuel gas, but he cannot because the system requires a supply of fuel which cost money to buy, or costs time and effort to produce at the very least try to make fuel gas for free without spending any money, time or effort
Word to the wise, do not even bother trying to educate Stuart C. at peswiki.com. He is beyond help. You would have a better chance reaching joel321Stuart is perhaps even more of a zealot than Sterling.
You will never see a working QEG, ever.
The you watched when he stated that one cube in his hand can power up a house WHAT!!!!??? and then he managed to get and middle man to find investors for him and google bought one from these crazy claims?Efficiency:
Needing fuel is not really the amazing part. The part that it takes fuel in and then UP_SCALES it is what gets your attention. Then the fact that big honchos bought their units!!!
I believe he mentioned the units gather the energy from the air? Oh by the way, did you hear the part where she mentioned that they have been secretive about their technology for 10 years and that way 5 yrs ago...so this bloom box is still going on till today after fifteen years.
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Why not?...it's illogical to say that like if for some reason you have been in the future...lol
What is you definition of a QEG?
I believe he mentioned the units gather the energy from the air? Oh by the way, did you hear the part where she mentioned that they have been secretive about their technology for 10 years and that way 5 yrs ago...so this bloom box is still going on till today after fifteen years. At any rate....you don't know what fuel it needs until you actually own one and understand the unit...right now your brain is only thinking oil gas prices or electricity gas prices....your mind is not able to see past that in my opinion...not trying to insult at all it is that I imagine your definition of fuel is OIL, GAS, ELECTRIC METER.....those are the top FUEL wasters.@Joel
Efficiency:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_Energy_Server
excerpt:
Bloom claims a conversion efficiency of around 50%.[38] A modern combined cycle gas turbine power plant (CCGT) can reach 60% overall efficiency, using a multi-step process. Sridhar stated that Bloom's products convert chemical energy to electrical energy in one step, are more fuel efficient than current gas-fired power stations and reduce transmission/distribution losses by producing power where it is used.[39]
verdict:
http://www.getreallist.com/my-verdict-on-the-bloom-box.html
Here some lawsuits:
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/money/business/2014/06/30/lawsuit-attacks-bloom-box-energy-claims/11809051/
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/21/884-May-Be-Bloom-Energys-Fatal-Number-Fuel-Cell-Efficiency-Federal-State-Tax-Credits
Without Taxe-Credit, bloom box energy is too expensive! Do not forget also the maintenance costs...
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Oh Deary me, The very worst kind of scam is Bloom, a scam of immense dollar value with much of the funding coming from the tax
payer and the scam is perpetrated by members of the "Above the law elite" probably with access to tax payer funded lawyers to
defend them from the wrath of the taxpayers. Perfect.
Regarding the bloom box, we can only theorize how it really works....that is all.LOL.
Have you considered rabbits, or the larch?
Take for example when I mentioned about the windows 98 200Mhz CPU required. It was taking in 120vAC/240vAC lowering it down to 12vDC/5vDC via the power supply to feed the 200Mhz CPU. Now we have the same input power for a 4Ghz CPU with a 1Ghz video card....could be more by now since I have not been keeping up with the latest CPU and GPU technology. Now we have chips that have 4 CPUs and built in GPU inside the size of the back then 200Mhz CPU.
We have these UFO sightings all over the place. With the technology of video recording and people being more ware of the sky, we get this information that I'm sure NASA and others viewing the skies are fully aware of. When you actually think about it from a elementary brain...the universe created us. How hard is it to believe that there is no other earth twin in the billions of galaxies in the universe? Lol
Now lets take in consideration “EVOLUTION”. We humans evolved from monkeys. Your great great great great great great uncle was a monkey-like mammal. The monkeys' uncle was maybe a dinosaur...their uncle something else all the way down to micro organisms. Breathing the same air eating the same food getting the same light energy for billions of years. Now we have shyt load of humans building machines that can go to the moon/pluto. What I see in my mind is that taping in to this FREE energy is what is making the civilization. You don't see a gorilla that poops and eats the same way as humans do making machines while still consuming the same amount of food (or more) as humans do? Our brains are taping in to this FREE ENERGY to make calculations.
Then we can look at wars. What's the purpose of wars? There are many reasons, from monetary to psychotic to getting but hurt to just wanting to rule everyone. Animals mainly fight to have – ALPHA vs BETA males. Bigger horns to intimidate and get to the females first. This is also for bigger teeth, pretty feathers like the peacock, appealing dancing, body piercings and art like tattoos....etc etc. The main purpose is always geeting more than what you put in...and it works. An alpha male VS a beta male eat the same food and take the same air/light/etc energy while the ALPHA male will reproduce with more females that a beta male – more energy giving out!
The QEG...the QEG to me is everything that makes sense in the world. It is pretty simple to understand. Take little energy in – more energy comes out.
If you believe that, then the QEG is even worse than its measured 30% efficiency.
The fact of the matter is that the energy that is being put in is not from one source only....you need AIR energy (transformer) LIGHT energy (photocell) MOMENTUM energy (gravity) etc etc etc....you need all of the FREE ENERGY to actually step it up. In my mind, you always step up what you put in.
The evolution that the Robitaille clan keep demonstrating is that: "When a person with money meets a person with experience, their roles reverse."
When you buy a brand new car for $20,000 dollars, where did $1,000 dollars go after you drove it off the parking lot to your house? I'm selling a bunch of stuff on craigslist for maybe a ¼ of what I paid for them brand new. I sold 5 PS3 games today for $60 bucks when a couple of years I bought them for $60 each...what the hell happened to my money=gold? At any rate....
Hopegirls' QEG is not the only one out there. But the 100% is that making it free for everyone is what works and the only way it will work...if it's a flop at the end, it's only EVOLUTION for the common people that will eventually happen...to put it bluntly...the common people are way behind the technology, information, data, facts, than the rich people doing experiments behind closed doors that you will find out probably like 20 years from now after the current technology behind closed doors is phased out!!
!!QUICK!!Fascinating!
Get your donations money out and ready to send!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qigx8DhD4TU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qigx8DhD4TU)
Someone is using mains to power a motor to power a bank of bulbs. One-ness is here!!!!
<insert arms up in V icon>
They will just march on as though you never made the comments.Yes, they will march on like QEGings, and like lemmings they will be throwing themselves of off the cliff of despair is a couple of months. Else they will all be in Morocco with the rest of the OPPT having a good laugh.
Yes, they will march on like QEGings, and like lemmings they will be throwing themselves of off the cliff of despair is a couple of months. Else they will all be in Morocco with the rest of the OPPT having a good laugh.
Didn't you hear me mention that the banks can print money? Lol The difference between printing $1 bill and $100 bill costs less than 50 cents. So lets say it costs it costs 20 cents to print a $1 bill and 45 cents to print a $100 bill. The difference between the two would be a whopping 25 cents. You don't want to talk about scams when they can shut you down if you bitch about it...lol
Do you want to look at how much money is taken of your check each week? And then look in to that deeper how it works? Lol The bloom box is the least of your priorities.
But you see how you look at the bloom box “public” data how it makes you iffy....i'm pretty sure if you look at government way of handling money will make your blood boil. lol
Look! I actually got Kevin Blundell to make a response on one of the videos he's posted!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUMSeoYwByg
My advice, wait and see, or get involved and make this happen faster
the website does not say it works…please watch the video again. You are mistaken. I am disengaging from conversation with you now, I think I have provided sufficient info for you. You need to do your own research. oh my, seems I am in error…the site does make that claim…that was not my doing….I will speak to the admin and get him to adjust….thanks.
This is a thread about the QEG, it's not the place to go on about the issuance of currency and the central banking system.
Fortunately for humanity Many people are aware of how the money is created and currency issued ect. Fiat currency and no gold
standard,the petro dollar ect. Ect.
This thread is for discussion of the realities of resonant tank circuits, VAR and real power, input and output and people scamming
others based on lies surrounding those things.
I'm trying not to read your posts but others posts are containing replies to you which is harshing my buzz man, scammers are
scammers the bloom thingy is a bigger scam than the QEG, and I was not aware it was so bad, kinda makes the QEG scam
seem lame.
Maybe the FTW mob cited the bloom box because they aspire to that kind of big money fraud. The legal actions and time will sort it out but in the mean time people do real work to change numbers on the FED's books due to taxes paid, when people go to work and sweat all day building things that's real work and too much of that work pays for bad gov. management and big money scams from those elected to manage things properly.
Kevin Blundell of QEG Canada has disabled the comments on his three YouTube videos. He just responded for the first time to some of TK's and my comments yesterday. So he finally had something to say, and then the next day the debate has been shut down.
sorry dude...I have channelled Arch Angel Michael and Father God and done extensive reading on the Solfeggio Tones...they are real and are healing. They were used by the ancients and are sneaking their way back into modern life. If you are interested in why they disappeared, research the Rockafeller foundation and solfeggio tones...you will get some insight into this issue.
The QEG, based on the work of Nikola Tesla, does not need to be plugged into a centralized power grid. It taps into the quantum field and draws usable electricity from it. We are confident that a QEG will provide between 10 and 20Kw of power, which exceeds the amount of energy needed to power the average Canadian home.
The user "QEG Canada" is another one of the OPPT fanboys. Or girls. And is insane, to boot.Tk you are going to give yourself an aneurysm or something! These guys are too heavily invested in this thing to admit to anything you say or point out to them. They have taken peoples money and to admit that this was all a load of nonsense would mean exposing themselves to legal problems. They are QEGings after all. They march lock step towards their doom. The important thing is to not to let the attention be drawn away from there activities. I'm sure they would all like to fade quietly into the night. After all this this is going to play all over several years. Remember they still have to condition the exciter coil and who knows how long that will take?
Here's a comment left by QEG Canada on someone's video:
Kevin Blundell has censored and closed the comments for a reason: He cannot truthfully answer my questions without "blowing his cover" and revealing that there is NO QEG ANYWHERE that performs as claimed and that there has been NO PROGRESS towards that goal in any of the many QEG builds around the world. He has made a tiny change in the false statement that appears on the front page of the website. It still lies, though.
Now it says,
Really? IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE PLUGGED IN to a centralized power grid -- just to some equivalent source of power. Why hasn't he told the truth here?
IT TAPS INTO THE QUANTUM FIELD. Really? Where is there ANY evidence for that claim? What is the Quantum Field and how does one tap into it? Why hasn't he told the truth here?
IT IS BASED ON THE WORK OF NIKOLA TESLA. Really? The Tesla reference in the OFFICIAL construction manual has no resemblance to the QEG design. One can just as "correctly" claim that the ignition coil in your automobile is based on the work of Nikola Tesla. Or the digital logic gates in your computer: also based on the work of Nikola Tesla. Big deal... if it _doesn't work_ as claimed, what does it matter whose work it is based upon? These fraudsters are using the name of Nikola Tesla as part of the "duping" process, nothing more. My MicroQEG has more DIRECT links to Tesla's actual work than the FTW QEG does: I use a real Tesla Bifilar coil in my construction, for example. So why hasn't Blundell told the truth here?
I know why, and so does he.
They are "confident" that the QEG will provide 20 kW of power which exceeds the amount of energy needed to power the "average" Canadian home.
But Canadian homes consume more electricity than any other country's homes and they need a power supply that will meet the PEAK LOADS not just the "average" load. Why hasn't he told the truth here?
In short, Kevin Blundell is still lying, in order to obtain funding for his part of the QEG scam. Where is the QEG that does not need to be plugged in to a centralized power grid OR ITS EQUIVALENT in terms of continuous power supply?
Nowhere, that's where.
It's hilarious to look at that website, where it claims that there will be continuous progress reports... and the last report is from sometime in June and is just the same old same old interview, by someone who doesn't ask the real questions.
This is interesting, those 5000 engineers are quite clearly working hard after all:Awww... isn't that cute? But... experiments that I've done seem to indicate to me that a small unit like that may not be able to achieve the degree of parametric pumping that a larger unit will have. Let's not forget that the Big QEG's coils have inductances in the tens of Henries and that the turning of the rotor produces changes in the inductance otoo 20-25 percent, from the "rotor aligned" position to the "rotor unaligned" position. It may not be possible for the small unit with the multiple rotor arms actually to start self-resonating by amplifying weak ambient fields and parametric pumping. It would be interesting to simulate this small unit, or at least calculate the expected inductances of the coils and the percentage of inductance change caused by the rotation of the rotor poles.
http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/china/585-assembly-mini-qeg-china (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/china/585-assembly-mini-qeg-china)
Yes, beautiful. These are the ones who built their own huge toroidal winder, too, I think! That, at least, might be useful in the future, if they go into the transformer winding business.
You have to admire the quality of the build on this one:
http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/southafrica2/500-update-qeg-team-cape-town (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/southafrica2/500-update-qeg-team-cape-town)
I've not been able find an open youtube channel for these guys, but I have found a closed part of the be-do.com for South Africa that I do not have permission to access. Interesting!!!! Here's the link:
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/302-updates-from-cape-town-qeg-south-africa-team#1207 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/302-updates-from-cape-town-qeg-south-africa-team#1207)
I wonder if there are behind closed door activities going on?
I guess that Hope, Val, and Jamie figure that they can get away with an update every four to eight weeks. Hope will simply write up some marketing crap that says nothing. So in four updates it will be Spring 2015! In an Orwellian nightmare, chances are the people on the Be-Do forum will behave like perfect sheep.I only looked at the first video and from what I saw this whole thing needs to be turned over to the SEC, FBI and there equivalents in the UK. It's gotten out of control! Jamie, Hopeless girl, and Val are the unwitting (witting) ring leaders. This is some serious criminal intent. I'm going to post this over at be-do.com.
Meanwhile, sleaze attracts sleaze and look what I found coming out of Hungary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzUFGtzeE4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzUFGtzeE4)
http://www.qegquickandeasy.com/english.html (http://www.qegquickandeasy.com/english.html)
https://www.facebook.com/qegquickandeasy (https://www.facebook.com/qegquickandeasy)
You have to wipe the scum from your eyes and ears after looking at that. A double-shot of sleaze!
These are probably fake pics but who knows. If they are real you are looking at actual criminals that want to steal your money.
So how does Jamie spend his days, I wonder? What exactly is he _doing_ on a daily basis in the barn?
@MH: That's astonishing! I'm sitting here just flabbergasted. That is such a blatant scam... it's like a high tech version of the Nigerian 419 thing. They appear to be soliciting investment into a pyramid scheme selling a non-existent product for which utterly false claims are made.Posted at be-do.com Be interesting to see their reaction to the video. Do not forget that the validity for the device is derived from the postings of FTW. I can hear Shean saying Morocco anyone!
And those guys look like they can "take care" of any kind of objections someone might have... permanently.
Get a 2hp. motor and an ammeter and see just how much goes
down the drain when it's running unloaded.
I've been looking at these things for years and haven't even
seen a milliwatt anywhere yet.
MarkE was right some while back, a few solar panels would
help some of these poor people.
What really is needed is an electric storage battery that LASTS.
Get them a solar pump and some plastic pipe, A way of testing
water for arsenic and the like and a filter and uv steriliser.
There are a lot of stupid people out there with a big mouth.
I have asked the so called smart people to do the math in how much energy goes in to the Hoover dam and how much it comes out and no one does the math?
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I have asked the so called smart people to do the math in how much energy goes in to the Hoover dam and how much it comes out and no one does the math?
Honestly there is no need to pander to Joe's navel gazing and renewable energy stream of consciousness musings. The business about the potential energy in a dam is is just a diversion to make the thread seem more "consciousness friendly." It's nonsense that he could have looked up himself without needing anybody's help. He can also look up how the sun produces energy, there is no need to discuss that here.@MH It's quite amazing that my posting of this video on be-do has 28 viewings and not a single comment. Also check this out:
The real news from yesterday is that it looks like hard-core eastern European criminal gangs are taking advantage of the QEG scam by piggybacking their own scam on top of the QEG scam. They made an incredibly slick video that looks like it was professionally done. The purpose of the video is to make people believe that they can invest in a company that will reap great profits by selling QEG kits that will power houses with free and limitless energy. It is presented as fact in the videos.
So you go from "spiritual" and "consciousness raising" post-modern hippie boys and girls that are innocently gullible and want to make the world a better place to gun-packing former Eastern Block criminal gang members that are out to steal money from gullible people in the West by any means possible. The seeds were planted by Naima Feagin and her gang.
Université du Québec - Ecole de Technologie supérieure
Bachelor's degree, Electrical, Electronics and Communications Engineering
1991 – 1992
Grade: Bachelor inengineering
Honestly there is no need to pander to Joe's navel gazing and renewable energy stream of consciousness musings. The business about the potential energy in a dam is is just a diversion to make the thread seem more "consciousness friendly." It's nonsense that he could have looked up himself without needing anybody's help. He can also look up how the sun produces energy, there is no need to discuss that here.
Joel keeps referring to QEG in his posts and nobody has given him a mathematical analysis of one of his examples.Yeah please do not encourage the guy. He's a fool!. Can we keep this about the QEG. There is pretty serious stuff going down at the moment.
But I see it displeases you, so all right then, I'll keep it to myself.
And unless the GoFundMe fraud case involves any reference to OU.com, I won't bother you with that either.
I usually suck at math but the answer to Joel's question about the dam was easily obtained by me after only 10 minutes of calculations.My kid's calculator seemed to have that number permanently fixed in the display. I thought it might be bad batteries.
The answer is:
42
Bill
Strange... I saw a couple of white mice watching me at the computer the other day!Were they unusually fond of dolphins?
I am not claiming to be a "so called smart person", but at 5pm EST on Sep 26th 2014, I will hit "Post" with my answer to your question - detailing the inputs and outputs and sources.
@Joel
http://water.usgs.gov/edu/watercyclesummary.html
http://water.usgs.gov/edu/hyhowworks.html
http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/info/water_cycle/hydrology.cgi
For the math:
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/12/how-much-dam-energy-can-we-get/
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/11/pump-up-the-storage/
or search for ourselve with google and word like: "electric dam math "
good reading
Joel, if you don't want to talk about the TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, why don't you just start your own thread on whatever topic you desire? And then see how many people join you for your discussion.
@MH It occurs to me that the guys in China must be paying consulting fees to FTW. These were pretty hefty if I recall. Also is there a license fee?
Perhaps TK you should send the guys in China an email, you are very lucid on the whole technical set of issues. Also, because they are so far behind the work of TK and FarmHand, they have not even gotten as far as I can tell to trying to tap in to the reactive power in the primary, only to very quickly see it vanish as a real load is applied. These folks are really operating completely behind closed doors at the moment. I've got to believe a sense of panic has started to set in. There is still stone silence on the Hungary video.
WOW, your answer requires very little energy...sorry bro, is all EVOLUTION lol Did you feed you cats yet bro?
You got one thing right: You are sorry.
I consider myself not stupid and not know-it-all, I have an open mind with limits. If I consider myself as if I know EVERYTHING then I miss out on the things that are yet to be leaned, if I consider myself as a stupid person then I miss out on the things yet to learn...it is all SIMPLE stuff. It's just that some people get there faster than others. AT the end of the day, everyones purpose it to go past the finish line....does not matter what the finish line is....what matters is remembering and avoiding road blocks.Joe, could you please do the math to show how gold HOLDS its color for decades without being zapped at all? What I mean is what is the ratio between the weight of the gold bar versus the color longevity. This will be equally germane as your requests.
I would really like to see your mathematical equations showing that the energy that goes in is the same that goes out. Thanks.
Also can you do the math how a man made magnet HOLDS it's magnetism for decades after being zapped by high currents? What i mean is whats the ratio between high current input VS the magnetic ENERGY longevity. For example, How much current does it take to zap a $3000 dollar magnet and how long with the magnetic ENERGY will last in the material?
I consider myself not stupid and not know-it-all, I have an open mind with limits. If I consider myself as if I know EVERYTHING then I miss out on the things that are yet to be leaned, if I consider myself as a stupid person then I miss out on the things yet to learn...it is all SIMPLE stuff. It's just that some people get there faster than others. AT the end of the day, everyones purpose it to go past the finish line....does not matter what the finish line is....what matters is remembering and avoiding road blocks.Joel I have something for you to think about and its going to drive you even more batty than you are already, especially since I know the answer and you will likely never know the answer. Here is my question to you. Why does a magnet not fall off your refrigerator door? How is it possible to hang an object from that magnet and the object just stays there defying gravity. Are magnets QEGs. Do they draw energy from from some quantum realm. Are they portals for that energy, which then flows into the object hanging from it so that that object might defy the force of gravity? How much energy does the magnet use to hold onto the object? Surely the magnet must run out of energy at some point. How long can an object defy the force of gravity? Not forever surely.
I would really like to see your mathematical equations showing that the energy that goes in is the same that goes out. Thanks.
Also can you do the math how a man made magnet HOLDS it's magnetism for decades after being zapped by high currents? What i mean is whats the ratio between high current input VS the magnetic ENERGY longevity. For example, How much current does it take to zap a $3000 dollar magnet and how long with the magnetic ENERGY will last in the material?
Joe, could you please do the math to show how gold HOLDS its color for decades without being zapped at all? What I mean is what is the ratio between the weight of the gold bar versus the color longevity. This will be equally germane as your requests.
....since it's the people who fell for a woman's lies who are getting screwed.
Why does a magnet not fall off your refrigerator door?
-Sixty QEG prototypes are now being built by teams around the world.LOL. And not 1 to show real overunity. What is wrong sixty builds, you not know how to film and upload to a website?
On a more personal note, James and his wife Valerie are losing their home in Pennsylvania.There you have it. This new intel and the mentioning before about demoing the qeg at a fund raiser to help someone else with home cost shows the root incentive behind this scam.
So the QEG project continues to move forward, FTW is working on it, 60 teams around the world are working on it and we are getting closer every day. The QEG already works and has been shown to work by a group of engineers who will not release the technology.If works yet 60 teams are still working on it. Can you say CONTRADICTION? Would WITTS be that group holding back the forbidden fruit?
@TK
This was posted earlier in the month, but I only just saw it. http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/qeg-general-topics/580-solid-state-qeg (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/qeg-general-topics/580-solid-state-qeg)
(http://be-do.com/images/FORUM/parametric_oscillator.jpg (http://be-do.com/images/FORUM/parametric_oscillator.jpg))
I have no idea what they are doing over there. China seems to have taken over since Jamie went dark. Only one or two post a day. China activity represents the top five most active threads for what it's worth. Let's see they were going to have a self running device end of August, now end of Sept. That Hungary video has not drawn a single comment.
China mini QEG: (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/20140924_110843.jpg (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/20140924_110843.jpg))
Other than the pattern M.O. of "at the end of the month", I knew dolla dolla bill girl would be coming out with a blog update when I seen one of her usual suspects updated their youtube account. Same old posting of old updates over at AltherisSpiritEnergy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNYPdt6fWtQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNYPdt6fWtQ)
When you see the elk come out with old videos you can use that as a leading indicator Hope will be posting within 24 hours. Low and behold http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/09/29/ftw-big-update-we-are-growing-and-moving-forward/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/09/29/ftw-big-update-we-are-growing-and-moving-forward/)
I was going to make a very good prediction but its not needed in this forum anymore. We all know what she will say by now.
Still, honestly I have not read it yet, I will lay down the format.
Not withstanding the still elusive at large U.K. data report:
-A touch of big news.
-A dash of hang in there folks. Just around the corner. New bait added to the hook.
-A pinch of Tesla.
-A sprinkle of troll, cabal, suppression.
-A thick layer of new circuitry and the absolute ignoring of all circuitry prior.
-The final glaze and whip cream of CLICK TO DONATE.
Ok, back. LOL. And not 1 to show real overunity. What is wrong sixty builds, you not know how to film and upload to a website?
There you have it. This new intel and the mentioning before about demoing the qeg at a fund raiser to help someone else with home cost shows the root incentive behind this scam.
If works yet 60 teams are still working on it. Can you say CONTRADICTION? Would WITTS be that group holding back the forbidden fruit?
LOL!!! Now they moved over to fundrazr https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3? (https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3?) People starting posting questionable questions at their other funding sites so FTW removed the comments, closed shop, and then said paypal only. Now lookie here. Back at it again moving the goal post. Wonder how long till they are cracked down on fundrazr before they move shop again. And the same M.O. Asking for flight cost, lodging, and test equipment that for some strange reason appears to vanish after 30 days over and over and over.
That circuit will do pretty much the same thing as my microQEG circuit will, but at a much lower frequency
So basically what you are saying is that QEG's do work?
Is that what I'm saying, basically?
Have you even bothered to read this thread? Have you watched my microQEG playlist, from start to finish?
Is English your first language?
Yes! You built a microQEG?
I'm a newbie and when you call your “invention” microQEG I only expect to see a miniQEG. Can you blame me?
of course. I'm a latino guy.
If you rename your microQEG another name will it function differently?
How much input goes in and how much goes out in percentages in your micro device?
LOL!!! Now they moved over to fundrazr https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3? (https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3?) People starting posting questionable questions at their other funding sites so FTW removed the comments, closed shop, and then said paypal only. Now lookie here. Back at it again moving the goal post. Wonder how long till they are cracked down on fundrazr before they move shop again. And the same M.O. Asking for flight cost, lodging, and test equipment that for some strange reason appears to vanish after 30 days over and over and over.This has got to be about funding the OPPT:
$5,000 - FTW Moroccan Business Entity Formation: Includes Bookeeping and legal fees for one year.@TK I see you have already highlighted this fact. Given bedo's interest in a solid state QEG and its similarity to your circut, I'd like to post your work on Be-do, along with the videos showing the challenges associate with measuring reactive power. Put the cat among the pigeons so to speak.
$2,000 - FTW Office space in Tangier Morocco, Rent for one year. (required for business start up)
$5,000 - Airfare to fly two FTW council members to Morocco for business start up
One can suspect that the attached screen cap from the new crowd funding page is a shill posting made by FTW to drum up business.Hey, make the absolute minimum donation and tell them it's for their bail-bond fund, legal defense team or something.
Hey! How about that! I get to call someone a shill as opposed to me being called a shill!
This has got to be about funding the OPPT:Oh, feel free, you don't need to ask my permission. My stuff is genuinely "open source". Somehow I thought you or someone already had done so and they censored it.
@TK I see you have already highlighted this fact. Given bedo's interest in a solid state QEG and its similarity to your circut, I'd like to post your work on Be-do, along with the videos showing the challenges associate with measuring reactive power. Put the cat among the pigeons so to speak.
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I'd build their circuit and demonstrate it myself but sheesh... I don't think I've ever built anything that specified a 50 Watt Zener before. And you know what happens when I make component substitutions....
:o ::) 8)
This exactly why I have encouraged TK to offer kits that would take out substitutions and variations of parts used.
Do your homework before trying to participate in a discussion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk
How dead is the QEG and the Be-Do forum?My be-do posting is number six on the list of most recent. So after five days the level of activity is so low that I'm still near the top. The QEG is dead may indeed be true. As far as I can tell there has been nothing from Jamie in over two months. I think the whole family is doing a runner to Morocco, once their house is foreclosed. Shean, who ever he is, will be left holding the bag. There is some latent activity in China and Canada, but once they get to resonance nothing more will be heard from them any further, just like South Africa. Who wants to admit they have been duped and be out of pocket $10k+
After 5 full days the posting showing the video from the Hungarian criminal gang has had only 64 views and zero comments.
Be-Do is actually Be-Do-Nothing.
You Be-Do forum moderators that are reading here, don't you have a sinking feeling in the pits of your stomachs? Don't you feel uncomfortable and awkward facilitating this fraud considering they just started another campaign to beg for another $22,000 so they can take flight from the United States and hide away in Morocco? Chances are they have put away quite a bit of that crowd funding money and all of the below-the-radar PayPal money.
Assuming the cost of living is very low in Morocco it's possible that the gang, Naima, Val, and Jamie, could live off of the money for several years doing nothing except lazing around and soaking up the sun and dreaming up new crowd funding schemes.
You Be-Do moderators out there, your moral compasses are messed up. You started out as gullible and naive FTW "soldiers" censoring postings thinking that you were doing the right thing. Now look at yourselves, you are nothing but hapless dupes facilitating criminality and you realize that the physical QEG is nothing more than a useless stage prop.
I used you video TK
I hope that is OK
http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/ (http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/)
Kind Regards
Mark
just look at it this way, variac, variable speed motor, drive belt, bearings, heat,
air resistance and sound and I'd guess that's about a third of your energy straight
down the drain.
Looks as if solid state has got to be a winner!
If something could help the deprived people of the world study some of the things
Mark Dansie has put on his revolution green site.
A competent electro mechanical engineer would be able to calculate the performance
of a motor-generator to within a few percent, why waste resources building the silly
things?
For something like this to work the rules as we know them would have to be greatly
altered
Look, she is taking off along with Val and Jamie:
https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3? (https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3?)
If the three stooges take flight then all the folks considering a class action should go after the gofund me site and the other fund
raising sites used, based on the fact that they have aided and abetted a crime, without them it would not have happened to many
so they hold a similar responsibility as the actual scammers. Gofund me and similar should hold some responsibility to check out
claims made to solicit funds, It's one thing for them to say they hold no legal responsibility and get people to sign waivers, but
that line of defence is weak at best, similar to the accountant of a criminal gang, the accountant does not participate in the actual crimes
of theft but is complicit by association and a lack of due diligence. They also profited from the QEG scam, without a doubt.
If they profit from a crime they are criminal as well.
I wonder if Morocco has an extradition treaty with the US? If not, they all may end up over there.
Bill
Well, I do believe I called this one on the 24th. Not really that impressive considering we all knew which direction this scam was heading anyway. I just liked that I picked Morocco and MileHigh has confirmed that there is no US extradition treaty with them. Too bad their passports can not be blocked and then they could be arrested at the airport. Karma will catch up with them I am sure. You can't just pull this type of crap and get away free. Time will tell.Not that its a competition, but your calling it was in fact a response to my post that called it first.
Bill
Yes, they will march on like QEGings, and like lemmings they will be throwing themselves of off the cliff of despair is a couple of months. Else they will all be in Morocco with the rest of the OPPT having a good laugh.
How dead is the QEG and the Be-Do forum?
After 5 full days the posting showing the video from the Hungarian criminal gang has had only 64 views and zero comments.
Be-Do is actually Be-Do-Nothing.
You Be-Do forum moderators that are reading here, don't you have a sinking feeling in the pits of your stomachs? Don't you feel uncomfortable and awkward facilitating this fraud considering they just started another campaign to beg for another $22,000 so they can take flight from the United States and hide away in Morocco? Chances are they have put away quite a bit of that crowd funding money and all of the below-the-radar PayPal money.
Assuming the cost of living is very low in Morocco it's possible that the gang, Naima, Val, and Jamie, could live off of the money for several years doing nothing except lazing around and soaking up the sun and dreaming up new crowd funding schemes.
You Be-Do moderators out there, your moral compasses are messed up. You started out as gullible and naive FTW "soldiers" censoring postings thinking that you were doing the right thing. Now look at yourselves, you are nothing but hapless dupes facilitating criminality and you realize that the physical QEG is nothing more than a useless stage prop.
Not that its a competition, but your calling it was in fact a response to my post that called it first.
http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/welcome-mat/590-qeg-generators-information (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/welcome-mat/590-qeg-generators-information)
Today I was outside watching the rain, the street lamps, and the way how air works. Moisture basically creates clouds, but it also creates lighting and thunder. SO I watch the rain fall down, then I see how the plants sag and I also see how the light rays in the lamp are more obvious....then I see the plants that the sun are not hitting them.
What I gathered from that is that a lot of people don't really understand how things work....and the beauty of understanding how things work, is that we benefit from it as a society with out GREED getting in the way.
It is all geometry! Everything bends around itself...like going in a vortex. The rain is falling down at an angle, light is being reflected at an angle, air is being reflected at an angle.....the difference is that light FADES and BENDS faster than the rest. But if you REALLY think about it, the “light” particles have to be moving faster than the speed of light to create LIGHT...so those particles are moving faster than the speed of light. How is the light created? AND THEN IF FADES!! 60WATT bulb and a 150WATT bulb? One shines farther than the other?
What does that mean? That there are particles moving faster than the speed of light!!!! period 100%.
Free energy is not even a big deal to me! The QEG is just trying to give the poor what the rich already own!!! Can you imagine how would you feel when you print money as you wish? Can you imagine saying that you own a galaxy? That is very childish and GREEDY, I say it first so it belongs to me! They cannot see air the reason why it is still free, i'm sure I can do some company that provides unpolluted air to the healthy conscious and I will make money...but I'm not that type of person. I only seek truth.
Hope girl and james could have stumbled on a WITTS “hopes”....but their energy is good...we need more of these people! If this QEG flops, the goal is to motivate a rich guy or army official to give you their QEG recipe....you army and rich guys should be motivated to show the findings!!! instead of having this nonsense debates. IMO>
Sound of crickets chirping.... what, nobody even has a working 10 kW proof of concept to show the man with the huge market? Awwwww......"toiling away"...well not for much longer. They are all getting evicted right? And did not HopeGirl complain mightily about the poor level of Internet access in Morocco? And I guess the OPPT approach to handling delinquency does not work?
But at least Jamie is still toiling away....
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=392910240862050 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=392910240862050)
https://www.facebook.com/qegsouthafrica (https://www.facebook.com/qegsouthafrica)
What Is wrong with jamie and hope girl is that they are trying to benefit the world....they could be making millions with a good investor instead of asking for donations. Then after they make millions like bill gates, they should give back to the community...simple.
They will be taken out by the Plutoxin 7 virus long before they can ever make anything work.
That plastic QEG walls don't even look stable for their thickness...they should be more thick. If one needs to get power from the FREEE energy, you have to build something that can handle the spin and the vibrations...it is all a matter of looking at the earth and universe experiences....one cannot disobey the universe...those thin plastic walls in the QEG will flex easy....if they are (WIITS) hoping to make a full working one, it needs more hard thinking in to it BUT i'm sure it will work....it's just hard to find those “out side the box” thinkers in a brainwashed world. IMO. (It is obvious by now that WITSS is 100% wrong)
You can be as certain of any of your fantasies as you like.
Do I care if I get overunity? NOPE! Because I poses the knowledge to make money! Will a school teach you how to make money? Nope! They will only teach you if you pay them thousands of dollars and if you can pay them back....there goes EVOLUTION...a way of eliminating the weak. (or they say)
At any rate...I'm sure it can be done but it needs others to grow balls and step in to think hard...who will? None! Unless you are rich, but by then why would you care about the poor when you have millions of dollars?
*** NEW FLASH ***
Cape Town has resonance...Woohoo!!! ...tapping into the quantum energy field...Yeah!!... not over-unity yet...bummer!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSszG7Zt9EM#t=13 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSszG7Zt9EM#t=13)
Primary Coil Voltage Waveform at Resonance...nasty!! Interesting technical snippet: unit goes into resonance at 3000 rpm and phase locks to 2700 rpm. You can hear the sudden drop in speed. Further increasing input drive motor power results in greater output power with no change in speed. If these guys are honest they will do some proper engineering tests, but I doubt we will see anymore videos.
Wow! What a unique event! Not everyone can point to the exact defining moment of their lives, captured on video forever!
But tell me, Peter and Graham... why are the lights so dim? And only four?
Compared with these QEGlers (yet another vocab word) your are superman, and 60% that's pretty good. Did you get around to adding an antenna and harnessing earth currents?
That is very interesting....
I had this test done 5 months ago....and the best result that I got was about 60%.
What else can I do to show this system doesn't work???
Compared with these QEGlers (yet another vocab word) your are superman, and 60% that's pretty good. Did you get around to adding an antenna and harnessing earth currents?Yes I put antenna, but didn't work.
The Fix the World Organization
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What Is wrong with jamie and hope girl is that they are trying to benefit the world....they could be making millions with a good investor instead of asking for donations. Then after they make millions like bill gates, they should give back to the community...simple. ....Perhaps I missed your answer. Not like you answer questions anyway. Which are you? The engineer artist, the wife, or dolla dolla bill girl herself?
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Did you see FleeceGirl's posting of Jamie playing with a fluorescent light and a big Tesla hairpin setup? It's like they are thumbing their noses at everybody by jumping through all of the Tesla hoops just for show to hold off the angry villagers with their pitchforks. What's next?
...
Sound of crickets chirping.... what, nobody even has a working 10 kW proof of concept to show the man with the huge market? Awwwww......
But at least Jamie is still toiling away....
https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=392910240862050 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=392910240862050)
https://www.facebook.com/qegsouthafrica (https://www.facebook.com/qegsouthafrica)
What is CICU certification? Do you have to pay to get it?
http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/welcome-mat/592-monieb-capetown-south-africa (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/welcome-mat/592-monieb-capetown-south-africa)
TK:Could be. But who knows just what Jamie knows and doesn't know. I know one thing though: he doesn't know how to do what God ordered him to do: Build this QEG and get it working, to Save The World.
That looks like a Goldstar OS-904RD 40 MHz scope. (I know because I have one sitting under my Tek 2213) Too bad he does not know how to use it.
I also did not see any Shop-Vacs in this shot....what's up with that?Heck, look at that big brand-new drill press. The thing has probably never been used and can't even be used until a lot of other stuff is moved out of the way! If you aren't making chips you don't need to vacuum.
Bill
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Did you see FleeceGirl's posting of Jamie playing with a fluorescent light and a big Tesla hairpin setup?
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I used you video TK
I hope that is OK
http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/
Kind Regards
Mark
Since there is no working product and won't be any working product to sell, the ONLY money that the Robbing Robitailles can generate will always be gifts whether or not the people supplying the funds understand that or not.
They will be taken out by the Plutoxin 7 virus long before they can ever make anything work
You can be as certain of any of your fantasies as you like.
refer to LC circuit, Wikipedia, should provide a clue!
Is this from skype QEGNetwork is for you:
"
[2014-09-04 21:23:51] mmeta200: Our Arch-Critic, Mark Dansie, may have the video that solves the QEG VAR's problem.
We thank Mark for unwittingly (and I mean that literally) providing this possible solution for us.
The EEngineers need to study this info...see the video called
Electric OU: Micro SS QEG: TEXAS HAS RESONANCE IN VAR's
http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/
"
And an excerpt from 03 to 04 Oct 2014 in attachement.
Joe:
Why don't you start a thread called, "Cloud formation study, QEG fantasy navel gazing and philosophy, and societal and free energy mental masturbation concepts for beginners."
I think that you will be very happy on that thread.
I wonder what is being discussed in that Skype chat. Is it possible to "lurk" and view the conversation without being involved? Is there a link somewhere?
Here is as attachement a record of all the posts on Skype QEGNetwork from 14/02/2014 to today.(PDF file 1.7MB)
But, don't be suprised by the content, for me, all is non sens...
I can't find the right words!
@+
[04/10/2014 22:15:34] sidhabo: Just get a hard time to see this as any solution meta ...
obvious fraud take on the QEG
[22/08/2014 03:48:45] mmeta200: Hole theory is the virtual, spatial potential
[22/08/2014 03:49:22] mmeta200: it goes from negative to postive...backward from
electrons....its the cold energy of the overunity machine
So much for Naima's "fantastic team of engineers."
It's a sad sad state of affairs. Kevin doesn't stand a chance because the QEG is nonsense. Kevin doesn't stand a chance because the Skype chat group are a rag-tag collection of people that have no idea what they are doing. So he doesn't stand a chance-squared.
MileHigh
Isim:
Thanks! I glanced through it and it is just a mish-mash of mostly nonsense and poor hapless Kevin Blundell is taking notes. The poor guy is trying to build a QEG and people are throwing cockamamie suggestions at him from all directions. Why, I thought that all that you had to do was download the plans and build it and it will work!
There was a big discussion about whether they should be winding their coils "clockwise" vs. "counterclockwise" and they were collectively groping around in the dark and clutching at straws and bumping into walls.
So much for Naima's "fantastic team of engineers."
If there is anything that says "absolutely unknowing/clueless group of newbies" it's when a group of people agonize over whether they should wind their coils "clockwise" or "counter-clockwise." From what I saw it looked like the discussion must have spanned several Skype sessions.
It's a sad sad state of affairs. Kevin doesn't stand a chance because the QEG is nonsense. Kevin doesn't stand a chance because the Skype chat group are a rag-tag collection of people that have no idea what they are doing. So he doesn't stand a chance-squared.
From what I saw one of the worst offenders was "meta200." Here is a sample:
He is a dope! (Medium to hard-core techies will get that joke!)
MileHigh
TK:
Yes, I am just implying that counter-clockwise or clockwise, all that they have to do is reverse the two connections to the coil. In the context of their conversation, I somehow doubt that they were aware of this or were taking high-voltage issues into consideration.
For the high-voltage stuff, my thoughts are that winding the coil left-to-right for one layer, and then right-to-left for the layer on top of the first layer is the wrong way to go. You could have loops with a very high potential difference between them quite close to each other. My suggestion would be to wind the coil in "small chunks" left-to-right. Like a 6-layer chunk, and then to the right of that there would be another 6-layer chink, and so on until you got to the right side of the coil. That way the low-potential windings would be in the far-left chunk and the highest potential windings would be in the rightmost chunk. So you would not have the problem of a large potential difference between two loops that were close to each other.
I of course have never done any of this but that seems to be the most logical approach to make sure that the coil avoids any inter-loop shorting. I have never seen this discussed in the QEG realm but I don't follow the technical discussion, or what few crumbs there are of the technical discussion.
In my opinion if Jamie was "real" he would have made this procedure very public so that people would be aware.
I have never played with high voltage stuff, so whatever I say would have to be double-checked. Anything I say about this stuff would have to be followed up by people doing their own due diligence because I am not qualified in this area. I don't want someone to get zapped because of me.
I have a feeling my comments are all moot anyways. It feels like Canada and South Africa are the last kids on the block and everybody else has thrown in the towel.
MileHigh
Why don't you start a thread called, "Cloud formation study, QEG fantasy navel gazing and philosophy, and societal and free energy mental masturbation concepts for beginners."
I think that you will be very happy on that thread.
I have never played with high voltage stuff, so whatever I say would have to be double-checked. Anything I say about this stuff would have to be followed up by people doing their own due diligence because I am not qualified in this area. I don't want someone to get zapped because of me.
Hi TKHi Mark
I thought your brilliant video placed on our Revolution -Green site would help educate people about some of the poor measurement techniques, poor data interpretation and just straight out dumb ass assumptions.
Inadvertently they believe you have provided a solution to one of the QEG issues. I am still laughing about this one it brought tears to my eyes.
Quoting form a QEG Blogg
"[2:23:43 PM] MMeta200: Our Arch-Critic, Mark Dansie, may have the video that solves the QEG VAR's problem. We thank Mark for unwittingly (and I mean that literally) providing this possible solution for us. The EEngineers need to study this info...see the video called Electric OU: Micro SS QEG: TEXAS HAS RESONANCE IN VAR's http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/ (http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/)
[3:15:49 PM] sidhabo: Just having a hard time to see this as any solution meta ... obviously a fraud take on the QEG
[5:29:28 PM] MMeta200: The author shows a tuning of a small device, said to solve the VAR...did you see that or not?
[5:31:36 PM] MMeta200: FREE ENERGY # 35 BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER - 377 % OVER UNITY MOTIONLESS"
The video that MMeta200 is referring to is the one that TK published a few months ago;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk)
It is a satirical response to all of the "Geographical location XYZ Has Got Resonance!!" You Tube videos
Kind Regards
Mark
...
The QEG clip made by the dude at Tesla Energy Solutions clearly and unambiguously showed that the dude could not punch his way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to electronics. It's reasonable to assume that the two guys at Tesla Energy Solutions know next to nothing about electronics and engineering and they simply make their money buy buying and reselling other people's products. In my opinion Naima is lying when she calls them "genius engineers" and she has no personal integrity at all.
(snip)
This: "Fully stocked lab and lots of genius engineers to brainstorm and help out."
The QEG clip made by the dude at Tesla Energy Solutions clearly and unambiguously showed that the dude could not punch his way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to electronics. It's reasonable to assume that the two guys at Tesla Energy Solutions know next to nothing about electronics and engineering and they simply make their money buy buying and reselling other people's products. In my opinion Naima is lying when she calls them "genius engineers" and she has no personal integrity at all.
"There is only one thing I cannot show them how to do with a QEG-type resonant tank system. For that last little step, they will still have to rely on Timothy Thrapp. And find a way to repeal some universal laws of nature.'
Actually they need new blood in the form of Rosemary. Her technology married to the QEG is a match made at the zero point itself. They after all are now both located on the same continent.
I will get those other video's linked.
Perhaps you can consult at $300 per hour? ??? ?
Kind Regards
Mark
PS send me a PM sometime
Renewable energy is provided by the Sun.
Refer to "Total surface area required to fuel the world with solar"
We just need to use it.
Look for a QEG.in nature, nearly everything that can happen does somewhere in the observable universe.
Electrical and magnetic theory can predict the performance of a
generator pretty well these days.
For the QEG. to work there must be a hitherto unknown effect
to be brought into play. Easy really, just show us what it is!
Scam Girl has a sister and they are only after $150,000 this timeThis has got to be some kind of satire. Look at the great rewards you get for large donations!
Mark
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/quantum-energy-generator (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/quantum-energy-generator)
This has got to be some kind of satire. Look at the great rewards you get for large donations!Speaking as Hope Girl's cousin's room mate's hair dresser's grocer's step brother's distant neighbor, I can assure you that Hope Girl's sister is every bit as sincere as Hope Girl herself.
I have a feeling that Hope-you-give-me-more-moneyGirl is going to have to respond to the IndieGoGo crowd funding page for the Quantum Energy Generator.
"They are the fake fakes and we are the real fakes!" ;D
Hi Joel,
thanks for commenting on what my puny brain was able to offer.
I thought you were only capable of spouting puerile gibberish but I could
we'll be wrong.
I'm an old farmer from UK. and you're right, I have no qualifications.
I'm quite interested in the characters who contribute to this forum nearly,
all their ideas and inventions are silly, but there are a few good ones too!
As for the QEG. thingy that poor Robitalie fellow doesn't seem to have a
clue. I would think if you were to give him a moderately complex circuit
to analyse he wouldn't stand a chance, whereas the likes of MarkE, poyntt99,
MH. or TK. would find it easy.
When it comes down to it about the most important thing there out there
is food and water. The Sun makes everything we do possible, it provides us
with everything we need.
John.
Like I already mentioned before, you don't worry about it because you never donated anything to anyone QEG...unless you tell me which QEG have you donated too? If it is none...why are you so incline to say that QEGs don't work if nothing is coming out of your pockets?
So, now I have to donate my hard earned money to a scam before I am allowed to call it a scam? There is 0 logic in that statement, as well as your many other blatherings. Seriously, please look at what you type before posting. Holy crap!
Bill
On what do you spend your "hard earned" money?
Food, Hookers and Beer. Although, I sometimes brew my own beer.
Bill
Aaaand.... another builder reports attaining Resonance... and asks.... now what?Canada too has resonance so says Kevin!
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/recent (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/recent)
Well, Stroke49... now you have an expensive, noisy resonator that puts out less than half the power you put into it. And it's starting to get cold in the Allegheny hills. I sure hope you don't get hit by the QEG Effect: It makes people go silent and disappear, shortly after attaining Resonance. It's worse than the Rapture, I'm telling you. Maybe you had better have people watching you, 24-7, just in case.
Will this survive?They have achieved resonance,and the parametric oscillations are running strong.
They have achieved resonance,and the parametric oscillations are running strong.I think that you will find its a "eludium q-632 space-time modulator" ;D
They have it made now ::)
Once the eludium q-632 space modulator kicks in-it's show over :D
I think that you will find its a "eludium q-632 space-time modulator" ;DIt's actually the elludium pew 36 explosive space modulator lol-oh those were the days of childhood .
You have to have a chuckle on how it's always "RFU" on the empty light bulb sockets for all of the hopeful cottage community associations. I think that "FU" might also have a different meaning for some.
This is my quest!
No matter how hopeless!
No matter how far...
To reach the unreachable............. Qwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegggggg!!!!!
All that’s needed is to spin the machine up to resonance. At that point it will run itself. It can beBut you've Got Resonance (tm)! So how can you be so frigging incompetent? ALL THAT'S NEEDED IS TO SPIN THE MACHINE UP TO RESONANCE. AT THAT POINT IT WILL RUN ITSELF. Says so right there in the FAQs and also on the last pages of the Official Plans document. So what is your major malfunction, Kevin? I say you are incompetent because you believe in this crap... and even if WERE REAL and the lying claims true.... you are STILL utterly incompetent because you cannot make it work!
started using existing electrical power if available, or a crank mechanism, or a battery powered
motor-start system.
To PCB,It's probably pointless to post anything on be-do as there is no conversation taking place there anymore. Just a post, mostly from Shean, every other day or two. But if you have not done so you should watch the South Africa Demo. They bring up the rpm to just above 3000 and it snaps into phase lock in the 2900 to 3000 range. At which point the light bulbs come on. I would suggest that the reason for this is the this is the peak point of parametric excitation and once current starts to flow in the LC circuit a feedback effect is created between the the stator and the rotor. At this point more input power goes directly to the output. But its a very inefficient circuit because it take perhaps 600W to 700W to get the machine to phase lock (resonate), at which point the power need to maintain resonance falls 100W to 200W and goes to the output to light the lamps. If then you try to increase the speed the input power does directly to the output and the bulbs get brighter (by another 100W or so). I suspect they do not like doing this because the voltage in the tank circuit probably starts to climb quite a bit and they then burn out the primary coil. The tank circuit only has a storage capacity of around 2 to 4J or so. This thing in never going to be anything more than it already is, an interesting but inefficient mechanical to electrical converter. The focus of the QEGers seems to be the build process itself and reaching the point of resonance (for the group as a whole) so as as to be "one" with the other successful QEGists. There is no serious attempt to take meaningful measurements (mostly because they are not electrical engineers doing this) for example and report results back to the build community. After the build team gets to the "resonance" point there is no place to go farther and they all dissipate, hence you do not hear from them again. I assume the 70lb block of copper and iron just sits around collecting dust. I think building a QEG is really a spiritual exercise for the people involved, as they feel they are accomplishing the impossible and sticking it to the "man".
If you will please, ask the be-do-ers what do they define as Resonance. Most likely your post again will go untouched.
How many of them would basically come to the conclusion that the bulb lighting defines resonance. LOL!!!
How many of them would say its the highest point on the power curve of in to out ratio or when the inductors and capacitors are operating in harmony.
Either way non of which are worth clapping, shouting, gong banging, or money donating. Every microcontroller, microprocessor, asic, and serial interface ic on earth has resonance. Some in the form of phase lock looping, some with crystals, LC tanks, others with RC clocks. And these actually do useful work as opposed to doubling as weight training equipment and door stops.
(tm)-is that me :D
But you've Got Resonance (tm)! So how can you be so frigging incompetent? ALL THAT'S NEEDED IS TO SPIN THE MACHINE UP TO RESONANCE. AT THAT POINT IT WILL RUN ITSELF. Says so right there in the FAQs and also on the last pages of the Official Plans document. So what is your major malfunction, Kevin? I say you are incompetent because you believe in this crap... and even if WERE REAL and the lying claims true.... you are STILL utterly incompetent because you cannot make it work!
(tm)-is that me :D
Well if i had of know that all you guys wanted to see was a self running motor/generator combo,i would have whiped up one for ya'll. Infact,i'll smash one up next weekend for ya's-the first self running motor/generator combo-hell,i'll even throw in an LED for good look's. For this project we will use my new found energy source-electron drag power generation-lets call it the !QEGquack ultra pack!-no resonance needed with the new electron drag generator,she's all go at any speed.
Will post it here on this thread this coming sunday-along with the other junk here that isnt worth a pinch of sh-t :o
(snip)
One final thought. Where Jamie etal has let everybody down is that he has singularly failed to provide any theoretical framework for what should be done next once the machine is built and resonating. This is not surprising because as TK likes to post, Jamie built this thing believing that all you have to do is to build it and it will self run. When it did not do this he revealed via action and postings from HopeGirl that he has really no engineering capacity as such, being really an engineering "artist". Clearly his attempts to harness ground current or charge in the atmosphere were a total failure. Once you have done all that what else do you do, where do you go?. I would suggest hooking up a bank and potatoes or more aptly lemons to it as a source of power.
Oh, it's worse even than that, far worse than a simple naive belief that Thrapp's thing worked as claimed. As I pointed out at the beginning, this thing of Jamie's is a religious revelatory experience. They don't talk about it much, but in one of the recent videos Naima tells the story to the camera. She says that Noah was told by God to build an ark and save the world from the Flood, and God told Jamie to build this QEG and get it working to Save the World (from the tyranny of Big Oil, presumably.) Jamie had a dream or vision that revealed to him the missing details that he didn't get from Timmy Thrapp during the one-hour demonstration that they paid big bucks for, and now Jamie is acting, not under the orders of Valerie and Naima, but under orders from God Himself.He drove it to resonance. It will drive him to madness.
This does not bode well for James. Since he is doomed to fail (unless his God lets loose with a custom miracle just for him and the other QEGgers) he is also doomed to depression, fear, and physical health problems caused by spending all those cold nights in the lab, driving the machine to resonance and staring at it, shutting it down, turning the trimcap 1/8 of a turn, driving it up again.... take measurements and observe no change..... lather rise repeat. It's a morale-killer of a program, but even Abraham couldn't turn down God's orders.
But can you start it with a crank mechanism? LOL...Who needs a crank start,-she'll be self starting.
Oh, it's worse even than that, far worse than a simple naive belief that Thrapp's thing worked as claimed. As I pointed out at the beginning, this thing of Jamie's is a religious revelatory experience. They don't talk about it much, but in one of the recent videos Naima tells the story to the camera. She says that Noah was told by God to build an ark and save the world from the Flood, and God told Jamie to build this QEG and get it working to Save the World (from the tyranny of Big Oil, presumably.) Jamie had a dream or vision that revealed to him the missing details that he didn't get from Timmy Thrapp during the one-hour demonstration that they paid big bucks for, and now Jamie is acting, not under the orders of Valerie and Naima, but under orders from God Himself.Yes you are right, I totally forgot the vision from God thing. Although I suspect that was HaplessGirl pushing yet another button to get donations.
This does not bode well for James. Since he is doomed to fail (unless his God lets loose with a custom miracle just for him and the other QEGgers) he is also doomed to depression, fear, and physical health problems caused by spending all those cold nights in the lab, driving the machine to resonance and staring at it, shutting it down, turning the trimcap 1/8 of a turn, driving it up again.... take measurements and observe no change..... lather rise repeat. It's a morale-killer of a program, but even Abraham couldn't turn down God's orders.
Here are a few Kevin Blundell quotes from the QEG Canada Facebook page from today, just for the record:
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QEG Canada (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC) resonance does not = over unity. It is a step in the right direction, a very big one. Please get your facts straight before you bash with negative energy.
QEG Canada (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC) Resonance is a step that if required before you work towards over unity. We, and many others, are in the process of pushing the QEG to the next step, which is self running. Before we can do that, now that we have resonance, we need to fine tune the machine to find its sweet spot (best frequency for resonance). There is still much to do and it will take time. There is a great deal of work being done behind the scenes to get the QEG to the next level and, in the end, get it to stable over unity. One step at a time. Anyone who thinks that you can turn the machine on and get to over unity is very misinformed. There is a great deal of misinformation about the QEG flying around. Stay tuned for details when we reach the next step. How long with this take? It will take as long as it takes, that is the only answer I can provide.
QEG Canada (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC) Warren, tingle all you want....when we get to over unity you can contact me with your apology.
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Naima Feagin, the main promoter of this fiasco, must be very misinformed.
Here is a guy that admits that he has no technical background playing the dumb guy with the big ego. It's just the classic case of glazed-eyed blind belief that it will work.
Kevin challenges someone to apologize to him when they "get to over unity" with the QEG. In a few months, after he gains some 20-20 hindsight, will Kevin have enough character and humility to make a public admission that the QEG did not achieve over unity and he poured his money and other people's money down the drain? This would hopefully take place after the Montreal technical team has exhausted all of their options and simply gives up. Also, will his technical team actually make clips and show results with clearly explained and properly documented power-in and power-out measurements, even if the results aren't good? Or will all technical reporting be non-existent and they will simply go dark for months?
This will be a real test of Kevin's character, and his team's character. Will Kevin and the technical team have the guts to make a public admission of the QEG failure?
Who needs a crank start,-she'll be self starting.
If were going to do it,we have to do one better than the QEGer's.
Resonance is a step that if required before you work towards over unity. We, and many others, are in the process of pushing the QEG to the next step, which is self running. Before we can do that, now that we have resonance, we need to fine tune the machine to find its sweet spot (best frequency for resonance).(sic)
Kevin, a person who apparently has no experience building anything, says this:(sic)Have you considered coating resonance with AlO3 to: "Seal in all the goodness."?
But I say this: No, resonance is just the opposite. It is _preventing_ you from attaining OU. I have built and tested MANY MANY resonant systems and I've documented some of that building and testing in various places. No resonant system attains anything close to "overunity" performance but they all give ample opportunities for error, like the "OU in VARs" claims for the QEG. So, contrary to your UNSUPPORTED claim that resonance is a required step, I present hours and hours of evidence, apparatus after apparatus, that say just the opposite: Resonance is a killer, you will never attain OU in any resonating system.
Come on, Kevin... .PROVE ME WRONG. Show me some evidence that resonance is a step that "if" required before you work towards over unity. I say you cannot. PROVE ME WRONG.
I have already done so, in a device with no wasteful moving parts. Not only does it self-start and auto-resonate, but it makes a higher COP of "OU in VARs" than any mechanical QEG has actually demonstrated. And it does it silently, and on a shoestring budget.
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcGTBA7NoVI (included in the playlist above)
Thanks, I'll have to read the whole thing, but at the moment, I see this:
Do you see? These ignoramuses say that my MicroQEG is an "obvious fraud"... yet I stand behind what is in that video 100 percent and can prove that everything in it is real and true. The MicroQEG and all of the associated items that I have demonstrated are 100 percent honest and ANYONE with a few dollars and a soldering iron can prove it for themselves. It is not like the "FTW QEG" where the published materials don't correspond to the actual device, the cost huge and the performance not as stated. My MicroQEG is _more real_ than any FTW QEG!
I told you that this would happen: They have a hard time explaining how my MicroQEG isn't OU, but the FTW QEG is... since the only evidence for any "OU" in either device is the VARs measurement, and I get 27 to one instead of a measly 4 or 10 to one like they do, even in VARs improperly calculated.
Once again, and I hope this gets back to the QEG believers: I challenge you, sidhabo, thusly. My MicroQEG performs exactly as demonstrated in the videos, there is no "fraud" or fakery involved at all. If anyone doubts this they can build it for themselves for less than the cost of dinner and a movie. If they are so incompetent that they can't build and test it themselves, I will gladly send a unit to you or a qualified third party for testing ON THIS CONDITION. If it fails to perform as shown in the videos, I'll apologize publicly and never darken your door again. But if it DOES perform as shown... which it will, the people who have accused me of fraud will apologize publicly to me, loud and clear, and in addition will pay me my regular consulting fee for three days. Call it an even thousand dollars US. And in either case the tester or the accusing party can keep the unit.
But of course that crowd will never back up their claims with anything real. It is such a joke though, that they see my device and call it fake, but they can't tell that the FTW QEG has no hope of duplicating the WITTS fake QEG without cheating, themselves.
TK
I have just started following the QEG research with interest, and would like to say that am both impressed and interested in playing with your Micro-QEG. Is there a circuit available for it, and if so, could you point me in the right direction (where it is located). Normally I would search around and read all of your information presented on the forums and your YouTube channel until I found It, but right now (like a lot of other expermenters and researchers) my lab time is limited to the weekends.
Thank You; for the work that you are doing and for any information.
Thanks for your interest! The current schematic is attached below. The Zeners shown outside the mosfet symbols are not separate parts, they are the internal body diodes which are usually shown inside the mosfet symbol. That part of the drawing is a "legacy" and is left in as a tribute to the great Little Miss Mosfet.
Have fun!
Thanks TK ;
I'm ordering parts.
Have a great day.
@joel321
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I'm not trying to talk nonsense, this is all in the history books and on TV shows such as the history channel or NOVA...also in “ancient aliens....
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And I will think like you? :'( No thanks!
@+
Hi Folks,
At be-do.com I've found a post which includes this: (quote) "Resonance ok, no overunity. Input 2KW, out 0.9kW. What you think?" (unquote)
And the post was already an edited post by the Admin Shean, I wonder what else may have been asked by the original poster, which was censored.
Here is the link to the post:
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/424-hello-from-hungary?start=6#2684
:)
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@TKI have not watched to that point. As I said before, I don't like it when people look me in the eye and then proceed to lie to me. But since you raise the issue I'll have to go back and see what he says.
I do not know if you have listened to the latest QEG Canada video from Kevin, its rather long, but one thing that was mentioned (around 24.35s) was that there was a sudden transfer of energy to the lamps connected to the secondary when the spark gap triggered on the primary. For this particular QEG it happened out 3 KV and it killed the resonance in the primary circuit. What is happening here based on your knowledge of these types of high voltage circuits? I would imagine the collapsing magnetic field due to the sudden short creates a large back EMF which is transferred to the secondary via transformer action. Actually thinking about further, my explanation can not be right as the park gap is limiting the voltage to 3KV.
Thank you fellow for sharing your data. We all must work together to stop these scams.
Just to review.
Here is the compilation video posted by Naima Feagin on July 19, 2014:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9elimG3kN0A
And since then.... nobody has heard anything about the American build, except that it doesn't self run, it doesn't run at 400 Hz, the exciter coil doesn't run at 1.3 MHz, and it doesn't self run. And the first one blew the windings.
And nobody has even heard that much about the Taiwan build. Resonance... then silence.
And the same thing about the Morocco build. Resonance... then everybody goes home and there is no more word from the Morocco build team.
And the same thing from the UK ! "Hours away from Self Running" months ago! And no word whatsoever since then.
Since that compilation we have had some other builds achieving resonance... and vanishing from discussions.
Beware, QEG builders! It seems that attaining resonance isn't such an important step toward OU at all in spite of Kevin Blundell's wishful thinking and proclamations. Rather... it seems to be a death knell for each individual build. Get Resonance... then go dark and silent.
Why is this happening? Is it because Big Oil has crashed into these workshops and confiscated the prototypes and notes... again? Are the builders driven crazy by their successes? Or are they realizing, after a few runs up to resonance, that that is all there is..... and they slink off with tails tucked, not even having the integrity to report and admit failure?
I have not watched to that point. As I said before, I don't like it when people look me in the eye and then proceed to lie to me. But since you raise the issue I'll have to go back and see what he says.You are right there is know way to tell want is going on since there is no video record being shared. Not worth spending the time thinking about it. I do not think that the machine if it drops out of phase lock will suddenly dump more energy into the lamps. But who knows what the transient response they are describing really looks like. I'll post a request for a video showing the effect. I'm using a female pseudonym. A little cross dressing never hurt anybody!
If you can show me the actual circuit diagram in use, including component values (coil inductances and capacitor values) I can probably tell you. But the Official Plans, as far as I can tell, only bear a superficial resemblance to what is actually in use by the various "Open Source" teams. So in order to do any kind of proper failure analysis I need to know the actual schematic and component values.
Possibly what happened is that the spark discharged the stored energy in the capacitors and brought the tank down, and perhaps the actual drive frequency wasn't at the rate necessary to re-attain resonance. Recall that the system phase-locks and increased power doesn't change the speed, while the tank is resonating. But once the resonance is killed the rotation rate is no longer phaselocked and may not be of the right frequency to re-initiate the tank's resonance. This is assuming all components and insulation are still intact after the spark event.
But again, this is only speculation. I really need the exact schematic and component values to perform a credible analysis.
If you see the video at 0:06 http://youtu.be/9elimG3kN0A?t=6s (http://youtu.be/9elimG3kN0A?t=6s) you can clearly see that over unity occurred in less than one second....so the facts are there....it can be done!!! as seen in the video...you saw the light bulbs shine to the point that probably would fail if lit that high for 8 hours? The point being that 100% the ENERGY goes very high for a “resonance” period of time right, I mean these are facts!!?Really mate what you are seeing there is the response of the camera to the sudden brightness of the lights coming on. The camera then adjusts its aperture setting and the lights dim. Are you really, REALLY, that stupid!!!!
Really mate what you are seeing there is the response of the camera to the sudden brightness of the light coming on. The camera then adjusts its aperture setting and the light dims. Are you really, REALLY, that stupid!!!!
If you see the video at 0:06 http://youtu.be/9elimG3kN0A?t=6s (http://youtu.be/9elimG3kN0A?t=6s) you can clearly see that over unity occurred in less than one second....so the facts are there....it can be done!!! as seen in the video...you saw the light bulbs shine to the point that probably would fail if lit that high for 8 hours?Wrong. No overunity was demonstrated and you cannot make any such judgments based on your perceived brightness of light bulbs in any video taken with a video camera using an automatic shutter/iris setting, nor one without such unless it is calibrated to a known standard. If you want to see brilliant light bulbs that are TRULY lit brighter by a resonating device than by a battery alone, you can look at some of my Wireless Power videos, like this one:
The point being that 100% the ENERGY goes very high for a “resonance” period of time right, I mean these are facts!!?
Wrong again. What do you care what I want? I didn't claim that the QEG was a SELF RUNNER in order to collect a hundred and fifty thousand dollars in "donations". I wasn't the one who caused dozens of people all around the world to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on a system that was claimed to SELF RUN. No, that was Naima Feagin, her mother Valerie Robitaille, and James Robitaille himself, who LIED TO THE WORLD about the QEG, saying it would run itself and provide power to run your home, and all you needed was to attain resonance. Do you think these statements from them were the TRUTH? Or are we now once again in the realm of your made-up "facts"?
Why are you sooooooooooo focused on “self running”? It is ovioous the QEG movement is about reaching that goal....it is obvious WITTS was milking money from people, get over it now and try to understand things as things change...are you so much in need of a QEG? Or are you thinking about building one to help the world?
What are you on? What does the Army have to do with the FTW QEG people telling everyone that their plans were complete and operational, all you need to do is build it, get resonance and it will run itself? Nothing, that's what. It is just another one of your silly diversions that makes no sense and is not related to the real context of this thread.
Sigh!! Go bytch about to the army not sharing their secret airplane blue prints! WTF are you bytching about? Are you only basing what everyone speaks instead of basing everything on your own personal experiences? We don't hear nicola tesla speaking, but we understand the AC current (at least we understand the basics = there is more to be learned about AC (electricity)).
What is the “resonance” to print money since life is all about resonating? Lol, open your closed mind!
I'm amazed how such intelligent speak about such things....there is like a resentment to this movement....like somehow you just said “NO! IT IS HOW I SAY IT IS SO SHUT UP!” Which is 100% wrong...in 10 years from now QEGs would be all over the place. No big deal since little QEGs are working now.....no one cares what you say man...as a scitific researcher that is!(sic)
You are missing the BIG FACTS, resonance itself gives OVERUNITY. Are you stupid really, (sorry) is not a start shining in the sky gathering “overunity” from the space? Based on how we make light in the earth, all starts are overunity!!! so that facts are there, energy is FREEEEEE 100%...why are you so blinded about that?
Hi Folks,This is perhaps one of the better builds seen to date. 45% efficiency, not bad. But look here op.iuste.biz/ (http://op.iuste.biz/) the OPPT is right at the top of the page, Ötleteket, javaslatokat várnék, meaning ideas are suggestions are invited. That says it all. They have been working on this since April, got to resonance, now what?
At be-do.com I've found a post which includes this: (quote) "Resonance ok, no overunity. Input 2KW, out 0.9kW. What you think?" (unquote)
And the post was already an edited post by the Admin Shean, I wonder what else may have been asked by the original poster, which was censored.
Here is the link to the post:
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/424-hello-from-hungary?start=6#2684 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/424-hello-from-hungary?start=6#2684)
:)
(snip) I don't understand energy (snip)
I only judge with my eyes man. I don't understand energy that I cannot see...lolJoel that sudden brightness of the lamps coming on saturates the image sensor in the camera. Notice how the image away from the lamp darkens. The camera responds by closing down the aperture and the lamps dim and the rest of the image lightens again. Look at the video of the QEG from Hungary. You do not see this effect. The lamps suddenly switch on when the machine goes into resonance. Also note that the stated efficiency, by them, of this device is around 45%. That is about as a good as it gets. There will never be any OU. They are asking for ideas of what to do next. There is no magical pool of energy to draw upon to make this device do what HopeGirl says it can do. HopeGirl, Jamie and the rest were deceived by Witts. They took the plans and made them public to raise money for themselves. There is no evidence that Jamie built the machine in the video, We never see it gain. I think this was the Witts QEG. I think Jamie got his hands on his own device for the first time when he went to Taiwan. He blew it up because he had no experience with the QEG before that. They fell for the Witts scam hook line and sinker. Please remember HopeGirl was pushing a different Australian OU device before the QEG. That device fell by the way side too! She has been using crowd funding to rise money for herself and her family for several years now. You have fallen for a con Joel.
I'll play along "MATE" is not a light bulb a resistor?
The filament is rated in watts, which is a "fancy" word for it's thickness relating to the vacuum gases inside the incandescent bulb too. BUT!! it still means that the greater the energy, the brighter the bulb.
SO!!! you are telling me that the brightness is only picked up by the video camera VS my eye balls? IOW< my eyeballs would not see a greater shine from the bulbs (resistors) as much as was recorded in a camera? Call me stupid, but video cameras will detect light differences as much as eyeballs...lol
Aside from that, explain to me how a "star" is shining in the sky all alone with no 120/240v AC cord connected to it?
PCB, I will answers all of your remarks one by one eventually, but why did you not say anything about this?
"Aside from that, explain to me how a "star" is shining in the sky all alone with no 120/240v AC cord connected to it? "
That answer it is required to understand a lot of things.
I watched most of the new Kevin clip with the interview with Evens. As can be expected, it's not very confidence inspiring and Evens is wise enough to make no promises.@MH. If you look back on the last page you will see I made a very similar set of comments and gave the same explanation as to the momentary increase in lamp brightness. However, I do not think this can be correct as I assume that the spark gap limits the rise in potential (back emf from collapsing mag field) to 3kV. What about a sudden change transient change in the impedance of the primary coil?
However..... Evens talks about himself and the Montreal group of "engineers" making their preliminary observations after they achieved resonance. They added a spark gap, I believe across the high-voltage primary. When the spark gap engaged they noticed a little extra bright blip from the light bulb load on the secondary. They were all puzzled about this, the group of them, and were searching for an explanation. Naturally Kevin was all excited about this, wanting to believe that it was a "hint" towards unlocking the over unity. Between the two of them in the interview, the train of thought was that this was a "peek" at the "tremendous untapped energy in the primary resonator" or something like that.
Now what the hell? A group of technical people and nobody could offer up a theory or an explanation? The first thing that went through my mind was that the spark gap was quenching the magnetic energy (i.e.; FLUX) in the core. Any other coils wrapped around the core (like the SECONDARY) will see this rapid drop in magnetic flux and also output a higher voltage pulse than normal. That's the kind of thing that comes to my mind in REAL TIME as I hear it, and these "engineers" are all befuddled and can't explain it?
Naturally, these comments would have to be verified on the bench but I am highly confident that it would be a slam-dunk.
A simple very similar example is the "Leedskalnin Perpetual Motion Holder" (I hate that term) where the experimenter has a coil of wire wrapped around the magnetic circuit, and the coil is connected to a small light bulb load. When the experimenter breaks the magnetic circuit the light bulb flashes for exactly the same reason. I am pretty sure that Russ did a clip like this a year or two ago.
Now, assuming that I am correct, that leaves the "Montreal engineering team" in the same class as "bench artist" Jamie himself. In other words, haplessly trying to figure things out without the knowledge and skills and experience to get anywhere. Just a bunch of spinning wheels going nowhere pretending that they know what they are doing. It's just another depressing milestone in this miserable journey.
@Pirate88179
I was thinking that string theory was without pratical application (until now!), you just show I was wrong... Thanks :)
PCB:That sounds like a reasonable explanation. The amazing thing to me is that these so called engineers look to "other world" explanations. Every elec eng knows that a fast collapsing mag field will lead create a voltage spike. I just spent yesterday afternoon working on my Ford 4000 tractor, and replaced the entire ignition system: contact breakers, cap, inductance coil, spark gap (Plugs); found no OU though.
Thanks, I tuned out of the last page or so because of the Joel gibberish so I went back and saw your comment. As others have said, the true explanation for what takes place would require a schematic and a full timing analysis. But let me restate my possible explanation in another way.
For starters, it doesn't matter if you have increasing flux increasing a coil voltage output, or decreasing flux increasing a coil voltage output. The only thing that counts is the rate of change of the flux with respect to time. i.e.; shorting the primary coil from the spark gap event rapidly decreases the magnetic energy in the core and other "agents" (coils) want to parasitically "take advantage" of that event. So the basic premise is that the spark gap engages and creates a very low resistance quasi short circuit across the primary. That creates a rapid decrease in the flux through the core. Any other coils wrapped around the core will also see that flux change and hence produce an increased voltage output. So it's almost like the secondary coil is "hitching a ride" on the spark gap event.
In more basic technical terms, lets say you have a core with AC flux going through it provided by a separate drive coil and three pick-up coils wrapped around the core, L1, L2, and L3. Each one of those coils has a load resistance R1, R2, and R3. So the question is where does the AC power go? Each coil + load resistor coil will have an associated AC impedance. The lowest AC impedance will dissipate more power than the highest AC impedance. The source power is split or cut into three loads, like three pie slices. The same thing will apply to the QEG between the spark gap load and associated primary coils and the light bulb load and associated secondary coils.
Going back to the QEG and the Montreal group, the spark gap event is simply an AC transient event that initiates the dissipation of the energy in the core. The energy in the core is split into two pie slices, one slice goes to the spark gap event, the other slice goes to the light bulb load.
So you can see the analysis "forgets" about various external events in a sense. The only thing that you need to know is the spark gap event starts to rapidly suck the magnetic energy out of the core and the secondary coils that drive the light bulb load "parasitically" take advantage of that fact and grab their own slice of the available energy.
Now of course you have the rotating QEG rotor redirecting the flux in the core, bla, bla, bla. So the actual timing analysis could be done to confirm the "top level" explanation for what is happening to cause the light bulbs to momentarily increase in brightness. Sorry for the long-winded pedantic explanation but perhaps that will help some of the noteworthy lurkers out there.
Speaking of timing analysis, in the interview Evens expresses some frustration in getting a full understanding of the timing analysis of the QEG. What the hell one more time? I actually discussed how to make a proper timing analysis of the QEG months ago on this thread. Doing a full timing analysis of the QEG should be a no-brainer.
MileHigh
The QEG as it presently exists is unimpressive in itsI pointed out the same thing quite some time ago, although I didn't specifically mention the shunt winding. And I also pointed out the reason that it doesn't work, and that is that the variation in inductance experienced in most small induction motors is too small to allow the parametric pumping to resonance to happen. That is, losses in the system are not overcome, because you might be going from 100 mH to 120 mH or so as the rotor spins past the pole pieces, whereas the QEG goes from something like 20 H to 30 H and back.
efficiency. What it obviously needs is a single turn
winding at each end of the rotor, very low resistance
heavy gauge wire. Then it would at least more closely
resemble an 'induction generator' and perhaps show
some increase in efficiency.
In fact, a side by side comparison with an improvised
induction generator made from an induction motor
might reveal some clues.
Speaking of timing analysis, in the interview Evens expresses some frustration in getting a full understanding of the timing analysis of the QEG. What the hell one more time? I actually discussed how to make a proper timing analysis of the QEG months ago on this thread. Doing a full timing analysis of the QEG should be a no-brainer.
The main word is "thermonuclear fusion
Stars spend about 90% of their existence fusing hydrogen into helium in high-temperature and high-pressure reactions near the core.
Enjoy...
I only judge with my eyes man. I don't understand energy that I cannot see...lol
I'll play along "MATE" is not a light bulb a resistor?
The filament is rated in watts, which is a "fancy" word for it's thickness relating to the vacuum gases inside the incandescent bulb too. BUT!! it still means that the greater the energy, the brighter the bulb.
SO!!! you are telling me that the brightness is only picked up by the video camera VS my eye balls? IOW< my eyeballs would not see a greater shine from the bulbs (resistors) as much as was recorded in a camera? Call me stupid, but video cameras will detect light differences as much as eyeballs...lol
Aside from that, explain to me how a "star" is shining in the sky all alone with no 120/240v AC cord connected to it?
Everyone knows that stars do get their power from 240v extension cords. (At 62.365 Hz) They are obviously very long, and there is high resistance in them because of this but, the stars are powered from coal fired electric plants here on earth. This was documented and proven way back in 1926. This is where string theory comes from....the long electric cords are like "strings". This is proven physics and can not be disputed by any intelligent, educated people. If you look very close at NASA photos of stars, you can almost see these cords. The government tried to keep this a secret but, it got out in 1968. A lot of people do not think we should be powering the stars, and that the money could be better spent here on earth but, we are still doing it.
Bill
Holt the fort.It's on You Tube: It couldn't be fake!!! It could not be that there is an RF rectifier in the motor case: no, no, no.
LifeHack2012 had the answer all along-no QEG needed any more.
Honest-it's on youtube :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PveeXv9WCE
It's on You Tube: It couldn't be fake!!! It could not be that there is an RF rectifier in the motor case: no, no, no.No Mark-no RF rectifier in the motor-and that much is true lol-it would have to be one hell of an RF signal to run a motor anyway.Also,i dont think the coil would recieve much of that RF being submurged in such a strong magnetic field.. There is no induction coil hideing under the bench,it works another way-but how? ::)
@tinmanThere is no point in building this device Cell-as i pointed out at the end of the video-your wasteing your time. This was to show how LifeHack2012(and many others) can make things look as though they work-they do not,and nor dose my replication. There are some here that will work out how it was done,and it really wasnt that hard. When you watch any of my video's,just listen carfully at the end,because if it is a non working device,i will say-dont waste your time,just as i did in this video.
In which direction are the neodyms magnetized? North South going through the coil diametrically?
Chose as a load another coil connected with long wires to the FE coil. And position a compass nearby showing the needle is attracted and does not move.RF fields don't generate DC current.
Are the number of turns , or winding direction , or other tings important?
I tried the setup long before with one neodym from an old harddisk an it did not work.
I did it! Send me mega bucks so I can fleece the world.
I remember that neat trick-TK gave me the link. But i could never work out how he did it-until now that is ::) . Never even gave that a thought Mark-cheers.
There was a really neat ruse where the guy set-up LEDs and switches where the apparent operation of the switches made no sense. What he had done was wire little RF traps under each red LED and then concealed that with red nail polish. Each switch shunted a corresponding trap. When the switch was open RF at the trap frequency would radiate and the corresponding trap on one of the receiving LED/trap combinations would capture enough of the radiated power to cause the LED to light up.
I remember that neat trick-TK gave me the link. But i could never work out how he did it-until now that is ::) . Never even gave that a thought Mark-cheers.Henryk Gasperowicz, somebody who _really_ knows his stuff:
Henryk Gasperowicz, somebody who _really_ knows his stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNAAxVKWPAbaZiB90_kjDJw (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNAAxVKWPAbaZiB90_kjDJw)
TK:
Thanks for the link. Pretty amazing to see him drill into an LED and then cover it up with "sealing wax."
Going back to the QEG, I posted two comments on Kevin's latest clip, the legitimate question about "doing the research before you say it's a scam" and the possible explanation for the light bulbs brightening when the spark gap engages. When I look at the clip when I am logged into YouTube, I see my comments. When I am not logged into YouTube the comments are not there. I am guessing that this is a YouTube feature where you can delete comments from people while deceiving the same people that their comments are still there.
Poor Kevin and Evens are the late arrivals at the party, but in fact the party never even started. Meanwhile Evens is being paid by some company in China to develop the QEG. Assuming that is true and there is a deluded Chinese industrialist spending all of this money, that has to eventually break. I would guess maximum two or three more months and then Evens will get booted out of China with nothing delivered and a very unhappy Chinese industrialist with many doorstops to use in his mansion.
There is a little bit of poetic justice in that the crowd begging campaigns are a bust. Clearly the vast majority of people have had enough and the sun is setting on this complete and utter nonsense.
The only question as many have already stated is what new "recipe" will HopeNeedsYourCashGirl dream up to suck in even more money. If she starts a whole new crowd funding campaign next year and it is obviously a bogus con job then it should be nipped in the bud.
MileHigh
Well, I did a huge dump of information about how to make a timing diagram for the QEG at resonance when driving a light bulb load on Kevin's YouTube clip. I talked about how to analyze it, the whole nine yards. He said that he would forward my previous posting to his engineering group so I said what the hell and I went all out. I don't know if it will do any good.Kevin tells a story that I find convincing as far as what he believes. The evidence against those beliefs is massive.
Changing subject a little bit, and getting back to reactive power, have you guys see this video (may have already been posted here, but was posted on be-do recently):Their "discovery" is that they can bamboozle people by ignoring vector math. It's pathetic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUChl7zRzTA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUChl7zRzTA)
They use the definition power = VIQ where Q is the quality factor X/R. In the demo they power a bunch of fluorescence lights, and capture the reactive power produced by the load and convert it to real power driving a separate parallel string of incandescent lamps. I've not sure what the Q of an fluorescence light is?
He shows how he does it in this clip. Installing the RF filters inside the LEDs is shown at around 4 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KMLmpC7-Ls
Okay so I did my big technical multi-posting on Kevin's YouTube clip and there is a follow up.
Here is Kevin's reply:
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+Kevin Blundell can you please contact me direct at qegcanada@gmail.com? I have passed on your comments to the lead researchers and they want to talk to you. Also, they will give you access to all of the tech data.... and, they told me that you are exactly correct and they are aware of all that you have stated here...you are on the same page as them.
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My response:
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Hi Kevin, I have a counter-proposal for you and your team's consideration. I am MileHigh on overunity.com. The thread on the QEG is called, "Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)." Honestly, over the months the thread has been a mixture of technical analysis of the QEG and harsh criticism of the QEG itself and of Fix the World. However, at this point in time the thread has petered out and not much is happening. There is nothing to be gained by repeating stuff that has already been stated. Now there are some really good technical people on overunity.com. At this point in time, I am pretty confident that this good group of people would be willing to engage with your technical team in order to assist them in their analysis of the QEG. Naturally I can't tell anyone what to do, but I think that you will find constructive engagement and a willingness to help. At the same time, your team has to be prepared for honest comments. If something stated makes sense, you will hear that. If something stated is considered to be nonsensical pseudo-tech then you will hear that also. Let me give you an example. If someone builds a pulse motor and says it is tuned to the Schumann resonance, I will challenge them on that. I will state that it is nonsense and there is no possible relationship between a pulse motor and the Schumann resonance. I will challenge them to provide logical reasoning and actual proof to back up their statement. "Blind belief" won't cut it and statements have to be backed up with reasoning and data. Very importantly, both people can state their case and argue out the technology without making ad hominem attacks on the person. Do you understand where I am coming from and does that make sense to you? Honestly I think that it would be a good exercise to engage with your team working on the QEG. This is supposed to be an open source project and it should be done on a public forum without any censorship from either perspective and no attacking of character from either side. I can tell you honestly that on ou.com everybody is burnt out on the QEG thread. I am pretty sure that there will be a willingness to "turn the page" and engage with your technical people with the guidelines I outlined above. Just talking about the QEG itself and what you guys are doing on the bench and how you are analyzing it will be fun. I will post our mini conversation on the thread. You and as many of your tech people that want to register and join in the discussion on the thread are welcome. Any technical information that you wanted to share with me can be shared on the thread. They just have to make "hello" postings on the thread and we will take it from there.
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Thanks for your interest! The current schematic is attached below. The Zeners shown outside the mosfet symbols are not separate parts, they are the internal body diodes which are usually shown inside the mosfet symbol. That part of the drawing is a "legacy" and is left in as a tribute to the great Little Miss Mosfet.TK. Can I please make a request. Can you please post the power triangle for your device based on the measurements you took, and also the input power.
Have fun!
Some notes:
-Don't operate without the output coil load, you'll blow a mosfet or both, instantly.
-Don't ramp up input power slowly, the oscillator might not start. Simply switch on to a 12 volt source that can deliver 5 amps but is fused at 10 amps. The operating draw will be much less but in the event that the oscillator doesn't start one mosfet will simply conduct all the current you can supply until it fails, hence the 10 amp fuse. Or current limiting PSU of course. Until you are familiar with the operation of the circuit it's a good idea to monitor the oscillation somehow.
-Don't create a groundloop with your instrumentation! You can safely scope across the drains with a scope or meter that is isolated from the input power supply but remember that the circuit common negative is not at the Drains! An interesting way to scope the circuit is to look at each Drain with a scope channel, both referenced to the circuit negative rail. If you do this then you don't have to worry about groundloops back through the power supply.
-You can use many different mosfets in this design, but very low Rdss work best of course and the current capacity must be capable of handling the real currents in the tank which can be 40 amps or more. (The voltages and currents in the tank are very real. It is only the _power_ that is imaginary.) The IRFZ44N or IRF3205 are good choices and if you want to boost the input power you can use IRFP260N for 24 VDC in, along with UF4007 for the diodes instead of 4148s, without modifying the circuit otherwise. The circuit will work with cheap IRF830 as well but at less output power and these mosfets should be fancooled. If you go over 24 VDC input you will need some kind of Gate protection for the mosfets.
-The circuit will also sometimes oscillate with only one operational mosfet. This is another reason for monitoring both mosfet Drains until the bugs are shaken out. If you don't have a scope, check the mosfet temperatures with your fingers and if one is much warmer than the other one, stop and find out why.
-Components are soldered to the copper surface of the board, laid out as below. Feel free to design your own board! Keep the drains-tank circuit-output coil heavy and symmetrical.
TK. Can I please make a request. Can you please post the power triangle for your device based on the measurements you took, and also the input power.The information you seek is in the video playlist.
The information you seek is in the video playlist.TK. I'm aware the input is DC (a good thing as it's not controversial with respect to input power), and I admit to being a little lazy is asking for these values. There is some point to my asking for this info. There must be some real power component that I assume is load dependent. It is not possible to gleam what that component value is from the video. I'm guessing here but when the circuit is unloaded all the power is almost all reactive (LC circuit with a very little R). When you load the circuit via the various methods you demonstrate, there must I assume be a visible phase shift between V & I. So yes I guess I am asking for a vector diagram for various load conditions. .
Input power, which is strictly DC with very little ripple, is shown on meters in the first video.
The best measurements I was able to make of the power circulating in the tank, using an inline non-inductive resistor for current measurement, indicate that the power circulating in the tank is purely reactive, with a 90 degree phase angle, or very close to it, between voltage and current. As expected in a resonating tank circuit consisting only of L and C elements. The first video shows the _magnitude_ of these values and demonstrates the error of "OU in VARs". You don't really need me to plot the actual triangle, I hope.
Subsequent videos explore the error and make the current measurements in various ways, finally culminating in the use of the Ohmite precision Ayrton-Perry wound non-inductive CSR installed in series with the output coil to measure the current in the tank. Two videos in the series "detour" a bit and explain the phase angle issue, and how it is measured on the scope in various ways, using Lissajous figure in the scope's XY mode and also by straight measurement of the V and I traces on the scope's time domain display. By the end of the series I am demonstrating how my technique (coupling of tuned air-core coils in the near field) for extracting and converting some of this power to "real power" driving a load, reduces the magnitude of the tank oscillations but doesn't change the reactive nature of the power in the tank.
I have deliberately avoided reporting final output "real" power measurements as I don't want to mislead anyone. My systems are nowhere near as efficient as they could be made with intelligent design, they are simply illustrations of a principle. With a 100 percent efficient circuit, one could transfer all of the input power continuously to the real power driving the final load... and there would still be power circulating in the tank itself as long as it is resonating. All of this power, real or reactive, comes from the input power source; it takes a finite and measurable time for the reactive power to build up in the tank; and the tank can even discharge this power after the main supply is cut off.
It can even discharge the stored, circulating tank power so fast that it will literally blow apart the mosfets, if there is nowhere else for it to go. This proves that the reactive power in the tank is "real" enough to have profound effects when it isn't handled properly. Another proof that the power in the tank is actually there... that is, there really IS, say, 20 amps, 200 volts, available... is that the system works as a wireless power transmitter by inducing currents in air-core, near field coupled receiver coils.
My demonstrations, under another topic, of the relative brightness of a light bulb driven directly by a battery, and the same bulb shining much brighter when driven by the output of a tuned aircore near-field coupled coil, transmitter being powered by the same battery... illustrate the "power" of this technique. Certainly, overall throughput efficiency of my systems is low, the current drawn from the battery increases correspondingly, but even so, one can allow oneself to be slightly amazed at the result.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk)
The transmitter circuit is essentially the same as the microQEG but with different component values.
TK. I'm aware the input is DC (a good thing as it's not controversial with respect to input power), and I admit to being a little lazy is asking for these values. There is some point to my asking for this info. There must be some real power component that I assume is load dependent. It is not possible to gleam what that component value is from the video. I'm guessing here but when the circuit is unloaded all the power is almost all reactive (LC circuit with a very little R). When you load the circuit via the various methods you demonstrate, there must I assume be a visible phase shift between V & I. So yes I guess I am asking for a vector diagram for various load conditions. .Well, the insertion of the Ohmite 0.25 ohm noninductive CSR into the LC tank for current monitoring does cause a little shift away from 90 degrees, and there is definitely power dissipated by this resistor when the thing is operating; I have to be careful not to burn it up in fact, and this is also why the coil-capacitor-drain-source circuit has to be made from heavy conductors for low resistance.
I don't like to insult people but for some reason I've only seen MILHIGH only as some type of person who has everything figured out...as if everyone is wrong until they waste their energy to prove him wrong? If you think about it, that only means that he is able to defunct all QEGs but yet he already stated that he is not even experiences in the technology!!! What do we have left, some type of individual that has been too long in a forum where he feels like he knows everything that it is yet to be discovered! Like he is a filter where truth only comes out of him and NEEDS to go through his filter in order for it to be true.The promoters of the QEG have demonstrated that it does not perform as they claim. MH has offered science based reasons for why that is so.
I don't mind a critic here and there because productive criticisms is basically a little baby tripping and standing up to learn how to walk....but MILEHIGH seems to me like the future has been stagnated and no further technologies will EVOLVE. I already stated if MILEHIGH is not investing any money, why is he so butt hurt about people who do?
He does not understand how investing works, either in the monetary or in the support group in therapy....he DEMANDS proof while very comfortable no one asking him for demands! SO I want to break his IGNORANSE and would peacefully demand MILEHIGH to show me proof of his beliefs.
First I would like to ask mile high how investors are needed for an invention spread to the masses?
Thean after understanding how “investing” works, I would like to hear from MILEHIGH what was the purpose of investing in the first place?
Then I would like to hear MILEHIGH tell me the difference of an investor investing in gold or silver VS investing in the QEG?
Then I would like MILEHIGH to answer is breathing air for a human not some type of FREEE energy?
Sae with the ability to see things since the sun provides FREEE energy! If it was not up to FREEE sun energy rays, how would you be able to see? Or even, as a matter of fact, for eyes to EVOLVE?
MILEHIGH demands FACTS, but it's your turn to step up to the plate to show your qualifications as to who gave you the authority as a judge in a court of law?
The promoters of the QEG have demonstrated that it does not perform as they claim. MH has offered science based reasons for why that is so.
One might rightfully wonder what it is that motivates you to keep defending the Robitaille's false claims. You give the appearance that you have a keen interest in promoting the idea that they have something of value when they have repeatedly demonstrated just the opposite.
With all due respect, I want MILEHIGH to answer! I was not asking you...thanks.
With all due respect, I want MILEHIGH to answer! I was not asking you...thanks.With all due respect, if you want respect then you should show some. In your posts I see a bunch of: ad homs, straw man arguments, and red herrings. If you are interested in civil, respectful discourse, then why do you behave as you do? If MH is wrong about the QEG then why is it that you don't just hold up facts that you can substantiate to refute him? The simple answer is that you can't refute him.
With all due respect, if you want respect then you should show some. In your posts I see a bunch of: ad homs, straw man arguments, and red herrings. If you are interested in civil, respectful discourse, then why do you behave as you do? If MH is wrong about the QEG then why is it that you don't just hold up facts that you can substantiate to refute him? The simple answer is that you can't refute him.
There is no question that the QEG does not today do what the Robitailles claimed that it did a year ago. There is no question that they have only managed to demonstrate it functioning as a power converter with very poor efficiency. There is no question that none of the various replicators have shown either good efficiency or any hint that the device can produce the free power claimed by the Robitailles. So why is it that MH's remarks noting those facts cause you such grief? What's driving your emotional investment in the Robitaille's lies?
Again sir, don't speak for MILEHIGH, he has a mouth of his own... if I want to discuss things further with you I can and will dissect your clains as you type them....right now i'm anoyed with MILEHIGH and with to hear only from him to dissect his credibility and abilities to understand how life works!!!I see more red herrings: I never claimed to speak for Mile High. On this public message board I took you to task for your objectionable behavior. This is a public thread concerning the QEG. You are off topic. You are not discussing the QEG. You are attacking MH who does. One post after appealing for respect you have chosen to engage in abusive insults. Do as you will. You define yourself by your actions.
I don't even find it NORMAL for a person to answer questions for another person lol! Since if you crash a car, the person who is driving is only liable for the consequences. That is very stupid if a judge asked the defendant questions and then have someone from the audience answer for him.... just shut up sir, and allow for the facts to take place!
I know is hard for you “virtual” nerds to disagree from one and the other since you here have thousands of posts here....but, things change!!!! People get old, you probably don't know how to set up a PS4 while the young folks do...
How hard is it to believe that water flowing, air flowing, nuclear flowing, is not just a mater of building something cheaply and get x3 times the output? Lol the evidence is massive that I kind of wonder where your sane mentality is sir! But like I said, don't respond to questions that where not asked specifically for you!!! you can be further psychoanalyzed yourself when it comes to your turn.
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Also for those who want to come for a longer stay, we have established some amazing contacts here that can help people find very affordable villas to rent long term right here in paradise.
Joel, you are the core reason that people restrict access to news groups that I would like to contribute on. Contributing random ideas to a thread about the QEG is not on topic. So you have derailed the thread, bravo.
I already mentioned that the QEG could end up not working and I'm sure most likely it will take more great mind to trim it's fat down and polish it and then come with the QEG 2.0...this happens all over the place that I don't understand why people expect something to work 100% right out of the box. Take for example the game BF4 on PS4 (the gaming console) it came out and millions of people bought it but even till this day, it has many many glitches that it is hard to even play it and have a good time. Then you have the iphone that since the beginning of it, it has had many many glitches ahem “can you hear me now!”....@Joel I have been doing some research and a lot of tinkering and have invented a solar powered QEG that I call the LEG. I'm in the process of building a massive array of these little LEGs to power my home and to send power back to the grid. I will to share this with you and everyone else here provided that you send me some money when you get it going on the honor system, and help with crowd funding efforts to bring my LEG technology to the poor peoples and the world. Here goes... To build this you will need some 12 or 14 gauge copper wire and a galvanized nail. I got the copper wire from the electrical wiring in my house, and pulled the nail(s) from my deck. Take a "L"emon and insert 3 copper wires each about 3" long twisted to together at the top in the right hand side of the lemon. Insert the nail with some copper wire attached in the left hand side of the lemon. Here is this break-though I made. Take about 2ft of copper wire and make a pig tail coil about 1" inch in diameter. This is equivalent to the exciter coil in QEG and captures the quantum energy in the environment. Insert one end of the coil into the center of the lemon between the two electrodes. It is important that the coil is perfectly vertical. For this device to work the coil must be vertically polarized and it acts as a quarter wave antenna. Here is the other important bit. Place the whole assembly inside a cardboard box and bring the electrodes wire out through the sides of the box. Close the lid of the box so that you can physically see it. Now comes the hard bit. Connect a voltmeter across the two electrodes wires and note the voltage. You now need to condition the coil with positive spiritual energy. If you do this right the voltage will start increasing. Like I said I have put together about 1000 of these LEGs connected in series and parallel in a room of my house and have closed the door so that they can't be seen. Through humming and meditation I've been able to get more than 10 KW of power for several weeks now. Also I have found that by capturing quantum energy the lemon self rejuvenates and it never rots. Good luck with your build!
Tinsel...all of your answers are available...ALL OF THEM. I am not an engineer, I am just working with many and following and promoting the QEG because I trust the people I am working with. If you want the answers, they are readily available. I can get you in contact with persons who can answer you straight up...please contact me at qegcanada@gmail.com and I will put you in touch with engineers so that you can discuss your concerns, offer alternative etc. I am sure that they would love to hear your opinion. But they are not on here and they are not planning on coming here for discussion...sorry about that...skype is where they do their chatting, nothing I can do about that sorry. please connect with me.
hahahahaa...incredible, simply incredible..must be a bunch of shills on here I guess. I am not qualified to answer your technical questions...I have stated that very clearly... I can get you in touch with those who can give you qualified answers.....I offer an invitation and you just continue your crappy responses. the invitation is open if you are serious...otherwise....have a nice day and I hope that the money that you are getting paid if worth the pain and suffering that humanity is bearing. bye bye .... may your souls find peace someday... don't forget...the invitation is open....
TinKoa,
You've been given an invitation to participate
in technical conversation via skype. :)
What are you afraid of? ;)
Regarding the question of whether or not you
are a "troll" I'm afraid the answer is affirmative.
Much more 'qualified' than most but the emotional
characteristics you display are otherwise identical... :o
Meet your peers half-way if you have the courage. 8)
hahahahaa...incredible, simply incredible..must be a bunch of shills on here I guess. I am not qualified to answer your technical questions...I have stated that very clearly... I can get you in touch with those who can give you qualified answers.....I offer an invitation and you just continue your crappy responses. the invitation is open if you are serious...otherwise....have a nice day and I hope that the money that you are getting paid if worth the pain and suffering that humanity is bearing. bye bye .... may your souls find peace someday... don't forget...the invitation is open....Kevin, really? You don't know why you believe in the QEG, you just do believe without any reason?
I am supposed to go somewhere private and secret to discuss things with people who insult me from the get-go in public? I am supposed to _donate_ my time to such people, who have spent many thousands of dollars on a system they do not understand, based on clearly proven lies, in secret?
Nothing about the internet is 'secret' or
'private.' Everything is monitored and
recorded for future reference. ???
And just think, you may enjoy discussing
QEG with 'engineers.' Or at least get a
feel for the technical qualifications of those
who are pursuing it. ::)
Seems like it could be an opportunity to make
a real difference in how things go forward. ;)
Unless, of course, you prefer 'trolling' much more. 8)
again, the invitation is open...let me tell you that the research group Skype room has over 100 engineers, scientist, physicists etc in it. QEG Canada Skype room has over 100 people in it as well. The QEG Q and A room has over 300 people in it and the list goes on. What are you afraid of? Join us in trying to make the QEG and other over unity machines a reality, work together with others or go it alone...the choice is yours, the invitation is open and certainly not private in any way. I fully understand why many are against FTW and I discuss that thoroughly in my latest video. They made errors but they are not business men, they are ordinary people that are trying to do something really important. I forgave them their errors and I am pleased that they did one very good thing, they brought together hundreds if not thousands of people all over the globe who are now engaged in trying to get humanity off of dirty fuels, out of the slavery systems, end poverty and war. ..... so, what are you doing? other than bashing those who are trying from the heart.If believing there is merit to the extraordinary claims of the QEG requires either faith or joining some private fan club, count me out. Should anyone ever come up with actual evidence that a QEG could be anything better than the very expensive and terribly inefficient power converter that it has so far been demonstrated to be, then I welcome the news along with the supporting evidence. Until then I will treat the claims as no better than the WITTS BS that begot them.
All of the answer you seek are available in several Skype rooms if you are interested. The choice is yours. All the technical data from Morocco, UK and more is available for anyone who wants it, all of the latest ideas as well. It is up to you...qegcanada@gmail.com
And, Tinsel, the QEG engineers, all of them, have seen your video and are paying attention and actually are working to implement your ideas....so thank you for your work. Why not connect and see if you can help even more?
Really? Where is the link so that I can read the emails of Kevin and his engineers, then?
Really? Do "trolls" do things like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXrhRqlQE4&list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf&index=5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXrhRqlQE4&list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf&index=5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THU86gUJBzM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THU86gUJBzM)
Do trolls do that very much, saving people thousands of dollars?
Consider the fact that the first design did not hold up to the high voltages and had to be unwound, and rewound, and potted... and then look back to before that happened, when I was saying that the HV design and construction was amateurish and likely to fail, or even severely injure someone.
great news MileHigh....I am sorry that can could not attract engineers to this forum...they enjoy the Skype chat rooms and I have to say I find them easier to use than this stype of chat forum as well. Please do not criticize me for my use of the word engineer....I am not an idiot! All of the engineers that I am working with are qualified...most of them have been schooled in engineering and have converted or come to the realization that lots of what they were taught was manipulated or kept from them. They are the converted. And then there are those who are self taught and brilliant. I look forward to hearing from you and once again I am sorry that I could not attract them to this forum.
The QEG enthusiasts? yes there are many...but they have chat rooms where they can chat about the QEG. There is only one technical room that is for qualified engineers and they are selective about who they let in because they are working on the QEG from a technical stand point. Many of them are in other rooms around the world, but that one room is where they come together to help each other as engineers. I am not in that room, but I can get you in, if you think you can contribute to the technical discussion.
Thanks, I'll have to read the whole thing, but at the moment, I see this:
Do you see? These ignoramuses say that my MicroQEG is an "obvious fraud"... yet I stand behind what is in that video 100 percent and can prove that everything in it is real and true. The MicroQEG and all of the associated items that I have demonstrated are 100 percent honest and ANYONE with a few dollars and a soldering iron can prove it for themselves. It is not like the "FTW QEG" where the published materials don't correspond to the actual device, the cost huge and the performance not as stated. My MicroQEG is _more real_ than any FTW QEG!
I told you that this would happen: They have a hard time explaining how my MicroQEG isn't OU, but the FTW QEG is... since the only evidence for any "OU" in either device is the VARs measurement, and I get 27 to one instead of a measly 4 or 10 to one like they do, even in VARs improperly calculated.
Once again, and I hope this gets back to the QEG believers: I challenge you, sidhabo, thusly. My MicroQEG performs exactly as demonstrated in the videos, there is no "fraud" or fakery involved at all. If anyone doubts this they can build it for themselves for less than the cost of dinner and a movie. If they are so incompetent that they can't build and test it themselves, I will gladly send a unit to you or a qualified third party for testing ON THIS CONDITION. If it fails to perform as shown in the videos, I'll apologize publicly and never darken your door again. But if it DOES perform as shown... which it will, the people who have accused me of fraud will apologize publicly to me, loud and clear, and in addition will pay me my regular consulting fee for three days. Call it an even thousand dollars US. And in either case the tester or the accusing party can keep the unit.
But of course that crowd will never back up their claims with anything real. It is such a joke though, that they see my device and call it fake, but they can't tell that the FTW QEG has no hope of duplicating the WITTS fake QEG without cheating, themselves.
(snip)
And, Tinsel, the QEG engineers, all of them, have seen your video and are paying attention and actually are working to implement your ideas....so thank you for your work. Why not connect and see if you can help even more?
If you multiply 400Hz by 3250 (whole number) the result is 1,300,00.000 or 1.3MHz precisely. This means 400Hz is a mathematical harmonic of 1.3MHz. Therefore, 200Hz is also a whole number harmonic (6500). So with that in mind, we made some changes to the original exciter coil to make it a proper power resonant tank circuit. It’s very similar to what we released in March, and can be seen in the accompanying video. Here are the construction details: Using the same 4.75” O.D. Plexiglas tube as in the original release, we cut off 2 inches from one end and wound 60 turns of good quality #14 AWG stranded, jacketed wire (41X30 stranding). We glued a round Plexiglas cap on top of the coil form, and mounted terminals to connect to the generator output, antenna, ground, and spark gap (see video). We reduced the amount of turns from 100 to 60, in order to balance the inductor/capacitor combination for better frequency stability. Your coil should end up with about 190uH inductance. Instead of taking turns off to tune the coil, we used a 50-200pF mica variable capacitor from a high power radio transmitter.
The value at 1.3MHz is about 80pF. Once this is assembled, here’s how to tune it:
The mechanism here, we believe, is that the QEG, running at 200Hz, drives the exciter coil into resonance by generating a strong whole number harmonic signal of 1.3MHz. This is the reason everything must be tuned precisely. Once the coil is resonating, it provides an open door to the 1.3Mhz signal in the atmosphere, much like a band-stop filter. We have information that the energy coming from the atmosphere (we can call it radiant energy) actually modifies the molecular structure of the core steel, causing it to become electrified and produce additional voltage. How can this radiant energy be superimposed on the much lower (200Hz) power frequency? We believe it happens by skin effect.
The whole tread is here: http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/08/14/boffins_hawk_powerless_radio/#c_1925349 (http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/08/14/boffins_hawk_powerless_radio/#c_1925349)
Re: And is illegal in the UK
"As in the celebrated case of a a farmer using fluorescent tubes with some wire attached to the ends to light his cowshed. He was in the near field of a some large (IIRC BBC) transmitter."
You're right but I was told during a lecture that it was in the U.S. and it was signals from the ultra long wave submarine service (in the 10s of kHz). Perhaps, that's just another case.
Anyway, the net result was that it's considered stealing electricity (by longstanding case law). Seriously, this is a potential problem:
(a) with enough RX antennas absorbing energy, the effective service area will be reduced, and;
(b) increasing the TX power to overcome the increased 'absorption' will lead to excessive and necessary power levels, which, in the extreme, will increase the radio spectrum noise floor. (Increasing noise floor in spectrum management is already a significant issue.)
This getting-power-for-nothing idea has been around for some considerable time. Except for induction charging batteries (a la electric toothbrushes etc.) it's not been very effective. Always guaranteeing sufficient Volts/m to power devices is a problem as signal strength can fluctuate wildly. Whilst signal strength fluctuations are unlikely to cause problems to the the RF link (with AGC, limiting etc.), that cannot be said for devices which have to absorb power from surrounding RF to work.
These devices aren't absorbing low frequency stuff, rather UHF (from the antennas). UHF, of course, is much more prone to nodes and anti-nodes thus more unpredictable/unreliable than the ultra low freq. case to which I referred.
Kevin I hope you are still looking in and reading some of the stuff being posted here. Much of this was covered in detail many months ago. James R. grossly miss measured the power output of the QEG in the beginning, and made numerous wild claims. This group pointed this out to him and the rest of his team that his measurements were totally wrong. They then changed their OU claims to power measured in VARs (reactive or imaginary power), which HopeGirl heralded front and center in a fund raiser prior to going to the UK. This was complete nonsense of coarse, as all James was doing was measuring the stored energy in the primary tank circuit, which he had to limit using a spark gap to prevent damage to the core.
TK's point about the phase shift introduced by the current measuring transformer is critically important. They most often introduce a 90 degree phase shift, making you think you are measuring real power (W) when you are really measuring reactive power (VARS).
Lastly, there is no doubt that James R. tried to steal electricity from broadcast stations. Here is a little piece I found on this from the UK that discusses this, and I'm sure the same laws apply in the US:The whole tread is here: http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/08/14/boffins_hawk_powerless_radio/#c_1925349 (http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/08/14/boffins_hawk_powerless_radio/#c_1925349)
Kevin I hope you are still looking in and reading some of the stuff being posted here. Much of this was covered in detail many months ago. James R. grossly miss measured the power output of the QEG in the beginning, and made numerous wild claims. This group pointed this out to him and the rest of his team that his measurements were totally wrong. They then changed their OU claims to power measured in VARs (reactive or imaginary power), which HopeGirl heralded front and center in a fund raiser prior to going to the UK. This was complete nonsense of coarse, as all James was doing was measuring the stored energy in the primary tank circuit, which he had to limit using a spark gap to prevent damage to the core.
TK's point about the phase shift introduced by the current measuring transformer is critically important. They most often introduce a 90 degree phase shift, making you think you are measuring real power (W) when you are really measuring reactive power (VARS).
Lastly, there is no doubt that James R. tried to steal electricity from broadcast stations. Here is a little piece I found on this from the UK that discusses this, and I'm sure the same laws apply in the US:The whole tread is here: http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/08/14/boffins_hawk_powerless_radio/#c_1925349 (http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/08/14/boffins_hawk_powerless_radio/#c_1925349)
Appreciate your efforts. But I am afraid the strain of truth is more than truthseeker could bear.
@Pirate: There is a difference between "near field coupling" and the usual far-field reception of a radio station's broadcast power. If you are in the "near field" of the antenna source your extraction of power will indeed load the source. But the issue with the Robitaille's scheme isn't so much "stealing power" from the radio stations, although it is easy to arrange some little sparks. The real issue is that the system as described, with the exciter circuit connected to the motor-driven QEG, is actually a _transmitter_ not a receiver and will be interfering with the legal broadcasts of the radio stations. Also any detected power around 1.3 MHz is going to be coming from the radio stations, not the "quantum energy zero-point field".
TK:Sort of: In the far field from a non-directional antenna the incident power spreads out evenly perpendicular to the direction of propagation. The power density falls as a square of the distance from the transmitter. You can visualize this as a bubble that just keeps expanding forever. The total power is spread across the surface of the bubble. One does not have to get very far from the source before the power density has gotten very low compared to close to the source. That makes it hard to come up with an antenna large enough to intercept a significant percentage of the radiant power. However, the power that any antenna does intercept (assume matched impedance) gets directed to the receiver and does not propagate further. Otherwise we would be able to multiply the power of a transmitter by setting up one set of receiving antennae after another in the propagation direction.
I thank you for that explanation. It makes perfect sense. So, if I have 50 radios at my home tuned to a certain station, I am not "hogging" the signal and preventing others from receiving it unless the station boosts its output power? That is what I "thought" I had learned a while back.
Bill
@Joel I have been doing some research and a lot of tinkering and have invented a solar powered QEG that I call the LEG. I'm in the process of building a massive array of these little LEGs to power my home and to send power back to the grid. I will to share this with you and everyone else here provided that you send me some money when you get it going on the honor system, and help with crowd funding efforts to bring my LEG technology to the poor peoples and the world. Here goes... To build this you will need some 12 or 14 gauge copper wire and a galvanized nail. I got the copper wire from the electrical wiring in my house, and pulled the nail(s) from my deck. Take a "L"emon and insert 3 copper wires each about 3" long twisted to together at the top in the right hand side of the lemon. Insert the nail with some copper wire attached in the left hand side of the lemon. Here is this break-though I made. Take about 2ft of copper wire and make a pig tail coil about 1" inch in diameter. This is equivalent to the exciter coil in QEG and captures the quantum energy in the environment. Insert one end of the coil into the center of the lemon between the two electrodes. It is important that the coil is perfectly vertical. For this device to work the coil must be vertically polarized and it acts as a quarter wave antenna. Here is the other important bit. Place the whole assembly inside a cardboard box and bring the electrodes wire out through the sides of the box. Close the lid of the box so that you can physically see it. Now comes the hard bit. Connect a voltmeter across the two electrodes wires and note the voltage. You now need to condition the coil with positive spiritual energy. If you do this right the voltage will start increasing. Like I said I have put together about 1000 of these LEGs connected in series and parallel in a room of my house and have closed the door so that they can't be seen. Through humming and meditation I've been able to get more than 10 KW of power for several weeks now. Also I have found that by capturing quantum energy the lemon self rejuvenates and it never rots. Good luck with your build!
I wonder if this thing could be retrofitted to mount on an Auroratek scooter ?Think of the redundancy aspects: One mains powered boat anchor loaded by another.
Hmmm, I can see it now - the Quantum Energy Scooter (QES)..yeah, thats the ticket.
Regards...
I like your sense of sarcasm, but lest get real....those little pesky atoms are getting FREEE energy since millions of years? Humanity has been blinded by human made electricity that you have to pay....while even getting a female pregnant is giving life for free (well you still have to pay for dinner ) but it is FREE energy none-the-less. IOW, you don't understand FREEE energy only “renewable energy” which such definitions come from people whom put an electric meter on your house! You need to step in to the matrix lol (referring to the movie).@Joel. I'm surprised by your cynical response. My LEG is real and does actually work. Lemons grow in the SUN and capture its' energy. Why don't you take 10 Lemons (connected in series) and build my LEG generator as described and it WILL absolutely work. I am not kidding this is totally the real deal. Take some pictures and start your own thread (it's off topic for this one) to get the input from others here. Who knows where this could go. Also my LEG completely fits with your definition of the QEG. In other words, or rather your definitional words, my LEG is a QEG.
Mother nature has all of this FREEE energy evidence, why is it so hard for you to believe in FREEE energy? Hhmmm, let me guess, a-they tell you there is none or b-you don't know about it....
Think about energy?
What is it?
Man made?
What is the SUN paying for it's energy?
And how is the sun getting it's energy from the dark spaces?
Who is giving the sun energy?
What decided to even create the sun?
It is 100% facts that humans did not create the SUN nor the STARS, just little things like taking peoples money and take a las vegas vacation with young females...lol...which does not sound bad, but that's only based on greed and not truth. As a matter of fact, i'm sure if you were ritch, you would not even be here...lol....it is simple....
Seeking truth because you want to see the truth or because the lack of money? (disregarding personal feelings)
Can you explain what evolution means? We all have to be fortune tellers, not just focus on the present.
Trust me, when you understand things further, your life becomes easier....the only hard part is trying to convince the money greedy people to give it to everyone...and then they need to go to therapy about loosing their millions. Pretty simple stuff.
The way you are responding is just a way of resentment when bullies made fun of you when you where young, which makes you a bully now in the your older years...also, has to do with frustration regarding not understanding how to be rich too! If you understand how forensics work, you will understand a lot of things.
Right now this PARTICULAR QEG is being therapy for all of these non-believers......you have the FACTS of the ATOM, SUN, MOON, EARTH, GALAXY, LIGHT, SOUND, ELECTRICITY, and you don't believe in FREEE energy, you must be blinded and not really smart man!
And these guys apparently bought 5 cores, that's $15,000 + shipping.News flash: Free energy machine spontaneously generates black hole in the bank account of Vista residents.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/358-inland-empire-s-cali (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/358-inland-empire-s-cali)
News flash: Free energy machine spontaneously generates black hole in the bank account of Vista residents.
Mark:Fiduciary black holes suck funds in under extreme pressure and then spit out funds to promoters at the periphery in so called Hawker Radiation. These intense jets of funds exert such tremendous force that it often blasts the hawkers off their home continent.
But, as well all know and has been proven many times by folks that no one ever heard of......black holes are Overunity! Right? Therefore, financial black holes must be overunity also. Not to mention that living off of the donations of hard earned money by others is also overunity. 0 work as input and hundreds of thousands of dollars as output.
Bill
@Joel. I'm surprised by your cynical response. My LEG is real and does actually work. Lemons grow in the SUN and capture its' energy. Why don't you take 10 Lemons (connected in series) and build my LEG generator as described and it WILL absolutely work. I am not kidding this is totally the real deal. Take some pictures and start your own thread (it's off topic for this one) to get the input from others here. Who knows where this could go. Also my LEG completely fits with your definition of the QEG. In other words, or rather your definitional words, my LEG is a QEG.
It sounds like some here are trying to rewrite the way resonating Tank circuits operate....is it that hard to believe? Im not claiming the QEG is at WITTS level....but i do think they are close. :) another piece of the puzzle.
You don't understand anything until you understand how the atom works and from where it gets it's energy, until then, you are stupid... :) to put it bluntly...to put it in a nice way, you are just learning and evolving....or to think about it in another way, the time is ticking...since 2 seconds ago times has changed now 2 seconds later.
Stop making fun of things, you sound like a groupie throwing your bra at a rock band, stop and really think how QEGs really work.
Do some studies why the air flows?
Do some studies why the water flows?
Do some studies why the sound waves flow?
Do some studies why there always has to be a positive and negative?
When you understand that, you will understand that the QEG do have somethings to take out from.
It is pretty simple really, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER BUILT ONE DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NOT REAL. I mean, did you built air? Yet your breath it!!! did you built sound? Yet you hear it!!! did you built smell? Yet you smell it!!!!
I'm not Dr. Phil but it only seems like you are getting stuff out your chest by going against hope girl while being blinded from the truth!
Forget about the LEG, you need a HEAD.
[If you are just being a troll here to gain attention...that is one thing, and I can understand that.
Meanwhile...AGAIN, please refrain from going off-topic here. ...snip]
Three things.
1. If everyone stops feeding the troll he will go away. Attention=food.
2. Ranting Rosie could use a man with so many ideas about how things really work. She is busy rewriting physics as we speak, she desperately needs someone with a knack for putting such ideas together. Right now she is having an argument with both Maxwell and Einstein on all the stuff they missed.
3. PESN is always looking for a few good idea people. Maybe Stuart C. needs a break from all the heavy lifting as a moderator and Joel could fill in for a bit. Joel you can go off topic there all you want and no one would even know. As an added bonus you will always have the last word!
Dear Overunity forum members,
Does anyone replicated QEG successfully? Who got what it must to be?
Please post here a link to such a work - QEG replication that work and produce more power than consumes?
Thank you in advance for clear answer.
You are an idiot!!Can you explain to me how the body gathers it's energy? In the modern human you eat breakfast/lunch/dinner... you spend money to buy processed foods...for an adult middle income person that would be about 10-20 dollars a day. If you get payed $14 dollars an hour, that's like one hour of work fueled your body to work for 8 hours...and not only that continue to live till 8 more hours or the next day where you eat breakfast again. I may be thinking out of the box here but the body takes in little fuel and gives greater out put.
There is no way that you actually believe the crap that you post on here....right? Come on, you can tell me...OK? You just make this crap up so you have something to post.....right?
I mean, I took a crap last night....is that free energy to you? Is my ass a working QEG?
Please, please give it a rest son. You called me a "Skunk" here, for whatever reasons you might have had swimming around in your head at the time which obviously make no sense to anyone else, so, I call you an idiot. Anyone that doubts me can go back and read any ONE of your ranting posts.
So...once again, I fail to see any thread of intelligence in your postings. To me they are all ramblings and all over the place making no sense at all to any one....with the possible exception of you, which almost makes me a bit scared.I have been isolated for years and mostly concentrating how the world works. I can fix practically anything with hand tools. HVAC = circuit board, three phase motors, contactors, relays, capacitors, sensors, etc. Automotive, engine, body, paint, suspension, etc. I also took art and didn't like it...too much energy wasted with very little rewards, unless you cater to the rich...i got first place in art many times. What else, computers, electric tools, home theater systems...they all work by the same civilized human knowledge...but they all disregard why is the working light there?
If you are just being a troll here to gain attention...that is one thing, and I can understand that.My main reason for posting here is because of all the bullying towards hopegirl....regarding attention, who doesn't like that lol. I may be wrong but I see her movement as a martin Luther king or ghandi...not as someone who is trying to take advantage of people at all. For that you already have your car/life insurance companies.
- What do you think about: -1+2 = ?????
- Is it négative?
And all your sentences are like this simple statement: simply wrong!
What about 1 + (-2) = ? is it a negative?
It is pretty simple life....BTW, the negative sing is just the same as “the big bang theory” since there is not really anything -0 (understanding past the big bang)....but we can see clearly that the greater the number takes the medal.
Positive one plus a negative two = a negative one.
Negative one plus a positive two = a positive one.
What is a.....
(-1) + (+1) = ?
(-1) + (-1) = ?
(+1) + (+1) = ?
(-1) + (+1) = ?
(-1000000) + (+1000000) = 0
what type of items in the real world are negative numbers?
Is there such a thing that exists that is -1/0 in real life? What is it? A negative human being walking around or what?
So you are contradicting yourself!
- You have 1000000 oranges et you give it to somebody! 0 orange left, normal so what else?
- And I was writing about rule sign multiplication not addition...
It's a convention. Numbers are humain invention, and Arithmetic also. If you put the origin in the middle of a rule, you got positive and negatives number.
Decceleration is the negative of Acceleration, Time before a certain date can be negative, etc...
It's just the négative end of a never ending rule, no problem.
Arithmetics things are used to make a modelisation of the physical word, and are always used in a given physical measurement range...
Joel, do you know how your computer works? Do you know it uses two digits ( 1 and 0) to stock in memory and make calculus on very large numbers.
Even for a microprocessor ten ducks = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 means 1010 (in binary or 10 in decimal) .
Even Babylonian peoples, 5000 years ago, whose using an empty place to mark the absence of a digit and write numbers!
And why do you write : ten ducks = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1
and not 9+1 in decimal?
Or in binary 1001 + 0001 ?
1 duck = 1
2 duck = 10
3 duck = 11
4 duck = 100
5 duck = 101
6 duck = 110
7 duck = 111
8 duck = 1000
9 duck = 1001 and ....
10 duck = 1010 this mean 1*(2^3)+0*(2^2)+1*(2^1)+0*(2^0)
etc...
The Humans invented positional notation long ago...
And you know it...
We are planning to launch TWO NEW SHOWS that we be broadcasted here from the Fix the World Headquarters:
...
"The Peoples Free Energy Show"
The People are taking their power back
Weekly updates on the continued work around the world of new technology and energy devices including the QEG, brought to you by the Fix the World Team.
1 hour Wednesday 8PM EST.
About a month ago Naima said this:
Any sign of this?
I am not feeling it...
For the moment the QEG is a prototype, which simply means that it is under development. However, it does achieve over unity, which is why teams of qualified engineers around the world, in Taiwan, Germany, Morroco, Florida, China and else where are building QEGs right now and experimenting with it, modifying it, in order to achieve maximum over unity output of usable clean power.
It takes approximately 1000 watts to run the QEG and when functioning at maximum efficiency can output 40,000 watts of clean non-polluting quantum energy. (The average Canadian home requires 26,000 watts for heating and electical needs).
No doubt Kevin thought he'd get thousands of dollars instantly based on those false claims, but he waited too long, the well is already poisoned.
Where are my pills?Please take your medications as prescribed daily and hopefully these delusions will get better.
Well, all you smart people who pretend to know that the QEG is a scam, may I ask: have you built one? No? Then how can you say it won't work?
Can you explain, in one sentence, how a goat works?
Why galaxies rotate all by themselves without the help of a giant hamster?
How is it possible that if you add two single digit numbers below five you'll end up with only one single digit number?
Where are my pills?
Generally when you take public funds you feel an obligation to share how that money is being spent and what results you are achieving. Here we have a situation where the activities and results are being keep secrete. There is no transparency or any semblance of honesty here. I find this deeply troubling as it taints the whole concept of miro funding. I guess Kevin feels he has met his obligation by announcing that resonance has been achieved. After all that's all the other groups have done. We hear at OU already know there is nothing more to be gotten from this device. Embarrassment and shame I'm sure begin to set in on those who took money under these shameful pretenses, and who made such outrageous false claims of overunity. Really a 40 to 1 power gain stated as a matter of fact with no device having ever been previously built that shows this to be true. It's been over a week since Kevin invited MileHigh to joint his secrete society. We know that he lacks good engineers to help with the QEG, since he previously asked for such help. The truth must be setting in that he is really just banging his head against a wall. The problem Kevin is that turning on a few light bulbs is all you are going to get out of this device. There is nothing more to be got, and I'm sure your guys are or have exhausted all possibilities for getting better results from this hunk of iron. Your build is likely not even 30% efficient. The million dollar question is will you eventually admit to this fact, or will you just go quietly into the night like HopeGirl and family? What will you say in a month or two when your device gives no substantially better results than is did when you first powered it up?
In the US PE of course stands for Principal Engineer.
Generally when you take public funds you feel an obligation to share how that money is being spent and what results you are achieving. Here we have a situation where the activities and results are being keep secrete. There is no transparency or any semblance of honesty here. I find this deeply troubling as it taints the whole concept of miro funding. I guess Kevin feels he has met his obligation by announcing that resonance has been achieved. After all that's all the other groups have done. We hear at OU already know there is nothing more to be gotten from this device. Embarrassment and shame I'm sure begin to set in on those who took money under these shameful pretenses, and who made such outrageous false claims of overunity. Really a 40 to 1 power gain stated as a matter of fact with no device having ever been previously built that shows this to be true. It's been over a week since Kevin invited MileHigh to joint his secrete society. We know that he lacks good engineers to help with the QEG, since he previously asked for such help. The truth must be setting in that he is really just banging his head against a wall. The problem Kevin is that turning on a few light bulbs is all you are going to get out of this device. There is nothing more to be got, and I'm sure your guys are or have exhausted all possibilities for getting better results from this hunk of iron. Your build is likely not even 30% efficient. The million dollar question is will you eventually admit to this fact, or will you just go quietly into the night like HopeGirl and family? What will you say in a month or two when your device gives no substantially better results than is did when you first powered it up?
In the US PE of course stands for Principal Engineer.
Well, all you smart people who pretend to know that the QEG is a scam, may I ask: have you built one? No? Then how can you say it won't work?EEERRRRGGgggffrgrgrgrgrgrgrg. ALL STOP!! ALL STOP!! FULL BRAKES!!!!
I get an error message when I try to read or download those files. This often seems to happen with .pdf files on this forum. Can you save them in any other format, so peons like myself could read them?Shame TK you missed some good reading. All I have to say is that a girl has got to earn a living some how!!
Now I'm dying with curiosity.
But I've read some posts by that person mmeta200 before and they are kind of ... er.... interesting. At least.
There are at least 60 QEG’s currently being worked on around the globe.For arguments sake, lets stipulate a solid 60. To you 60 1st builder(s). Consider waiting until just 1 of the 60 before you actually build that which is claimed to easily connect to mains and power a house.
The QEG is THE PEOPLES FREE ENERGY DEVICE.....As opposed to the Martian's device?
We are not backed by corporations or governments. We are opensourced and freely sharing the information needed by those who wish to bring this energy through to humanity without fear, greed, lies, secrecy or suppression.LOL! Damn there every word of that quote is hypocrisy. May not be incorporated but you sure are on the fund-me-galore pay role. P.S. Still waiting for the elusive U.K. report and the update to that singular yet always used in plural "open source documents".
Tivon is here in Morocco to assist with moving the Morocco QEG to its new location and gives us updates on the latest developments in the QEG world.But not to actually build, develop, test, measure, improve, manufacture, or produce?
I get an error message when I try to read or download those files. This often seems to happen with .pdf files on this forum. Can you save them in any other format, so peons like myself could read them?
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... Green Pancake ...
Here is a text file! :)
TinselKoala:
I was also curious if there was going to be any further mention of their failure to build a self running QEG as claimed almost a
year ago. I was working on other things at the same time but heard no mention as to why there is not a single working QEG
despite their self imposed and now expired deadlines - not to mention the numerous so called technical builders and soaring
costs. They've fallen back to a 'joint development for humanity' phase in an effort to save face but primarily to open up an
opportunity to scam for more money.
Since you asked, you may not be aware that at the 37:00 minute mark HoaxGirl discusses the topic of trolls with Tivon Rivers
and while doing so an image of your YouTube channel is displayed on the video after displaying an image of Energetic Forum
and Revolution-Green. Probably something you would want to know about, see attached.
The art is to keep the line moving. Push on down the road. Never look behind. Bring in new suckers, I mean marks, I mean CICU's.Kudos to you for QEGpocrisy. I posted these a while back, but missed this one:)
Hopegirl came out in full Queen getup attire. Notice the lack of the very thing claimed to save the world. Not just in this one interview, in them all. Recaping, regrouping, reviewing. Those are like silver, holy water, and sunlight to a scammer as they are to vampires and werewolves. ;D
STILL! waiting for the U.K. report and the update of the open source documents though it be a single file.
Spare your time and go straight to time 36:00. Hopegirl mentions trolls then shows in the background energetic forum and revolution-green. LOL!!! Then follows up with when you are doing something right you get a lot of trolls. She is a cold piece of work. Do you see what I mean when I made the term qegpocrisy? For those who missed it.
Qeqpocrisy:
Etymology mid first decade of the 2nd millennium. Originating from the PA region of North America.
1. The act or state of being that causes one to contradict one self with every breath taken.
2. Commonly used to solicit finances to buy the same test equipment over and over while on vacation.
New entry as of Nov. 13, 2014
3. Twisting truth and troll until unrecognizable so that everyone will be none the wiser.
The QEG may not be self looping yet. Please check the video from the Teacher - Timothy Thrapp of WITTS. That 40KW generator video showd self loop. The mains was unplugged and the generator kept giving power.And oxygen may not be necessary for human life. No one has or will make a QEQ self looping including the serial free energy fraud Timothy Thrapp. Timothy will be happy for you to lead out a lot of money from your bank account.
The resonance leads out Electron Cloud Energy. With lead out energy, it can run forever...
Hey Joel, keep the rotor stationary along with the stator and turn a piece of iron between the two....see if you get a self runner then
The QEG may not be self looping yet. Please check the video from the Teacher - Timothy Thrapp of WITTS. That 40KW generator video showd self loop. The mains was unplugged and the generator kept giving power.
The resonance leads out Electron Cloud Energy. With lead out energy, it can run forever...
QEGThrappment: As seen though the eyes of a "true believer", Thrappist or QEGist, is the conflation of a "known" working OU device invented and demonstrated by Timothy Thrapp, with a poor imitation non working QEG.
That is a good one!I did not quite catch that "We still need a term to perfectly describe both the "wait and see" virus and those it effects.", please elaborate?
We still need a term to perfectly describe both the "wait and see" virus and those it effects.
I do not care about the comments from the trolls. I have working Chan, Yuen and Ting Wheels to improve. Money is not a problem. Huge sums are flowing into Hong Kong. We can easily donate the USD100,000 to WITTS to get a self looped system before the other QEG researchers. It may be a repeat of the funding of the 225 HP Pulse Motor by a Hong Kong Investor.
QEGThrappment: As seen though the eyes of a "true believer", Thrappist or QEGist, is the conflation of a "known" working OU device invented and demonstrated by Timothy Thrapp, with a poor imitation non working QEG.
I have been playing (researching?) resonance for years. The earliest experience was when I was a teenager - knocked down by a swinging punch bag. At that time, I already suspected that there might be more energy than I put in.Lawrence: So many free energy devices that you believe are real, and all lead out nothing but foolishness.
Years later, when we saw video of the Laing Car, Lee Cheung Kin proposed that the energy source was gravity and that the swinging pendulum was the key. I did the simple mathematics of the horizontally pulsed pendulum and realized that two parts of horizontal energy can lead out one part of vertical energy. There is no need to go into quantum mechanics.
Many inventors with claimed Overunity devices then approached us and discussed their inventions. The most notable ones were the Wang She He all magnetic wheel coupled with rotating liquids and magnetic shielding and the 225 HP Pulse Motor. I actually assembled a Wang Wheel and started it running.
The 225 HP Pulse Motor was the most interesting. The Inventor was American but he could not get funding from US sources. (Thanks to trolls and the Establishment). They were supposed to bring a demonstration sample to Tsinghua University (MIT of China) but the prototype was prevented from leaving USA in 2006. However, we had enough photos and videos to convince us that the Motor was no fake. The Lee-Tseung energy lead out theory clearly predicted the leading out of gravitational and electromagnetic energy.
The big mistake we made at that time was the discussing of the Energy Multiplier that was known to Tsinghua University as early as 1996. It was actually a form of the Chas Campbell device using cylinders instead of wheels. I shared that information with the visiting USA team. We also gave a recorded lecture on Lead Out Energy and the various devices.
When we returned to Hong Kong, I found myself suspected as a US spy – disclosing national secrets to US. All support vanished. That actually confirmed that our research was correct.
I started to post on the Internet and funded the Tong Wheel. The Tong Wheel was a copy of one slice of the 225 HP Pulse Motor. After a couple of prototypes, it worked. However, the Input and Output were in the order of watts. Other scientists suggested that it was just experimental error. But Mr. Tong Po Chi helped a factory owner, Mr. Allan Li, to develop a second generation Tong Wheel that can generate 1 HP. That Wheel has been shown to many potential investors.
Dr. Raymond Ting learned our project at the Hong Kong Invention Club and has now developed the Ting Wheel. I and the Investors actually touched, started and tested it. The Input was 50 watts and the Output was 340 watts. I suggested to change the flywheel to an unbalanced wheel. Dr. Ting informed us that the increase in torque was so much that the axle twisted. He believed generating 5KW should not be a problem.
I learned from the Milkovic 2SO that many people looked but did not see. The swing amplitude did not decrease when the weight was lifted. The only explanation is that other energy enters the system. We then build the simple Chan Wheel. We produced the Milkovic effect. The most interesting experiment we did was to replace the pendulum with an unbalanced wheel. With a balanced wheel, we could not lead out gravitational energy. The weight never lifted at whatever rotational speed. But with the unbalanced wheel, the force and the energy lead out was significant. If one put the hand in the way, the hand hurts.
We then build the simpler Yuen Wheel with 2 or more unbalanced wheels. The resonance effect was unmistakable. The number of weights and their positioning clearly influenced the number of completed revolutions. The Bessler Wheel is real. It leads out gravitational energy.
I carefully studied the QEG and the WITTS devices. The resonance effect is evident. The leading out of electromagnetic energy is unmistakable. The source of lead out energy is the electron cloud energy. That is akin to chemical energy. There is no violation of the law of conservation of energy.
I am confident that the Tong, the Ting, the QEG and the WITTS devices are no fakes. The 225 HP Pulse Motor was a definite generator. The reason why such devices did not see day night is greed and the subtle suppression by Governments.
Now that the QEG is open source and over 60 teams have achieved resonance. Timothy Thrapp has already shown self loop and generating much more than 5KW, the hunt for an overunity device is over.
I do not care about the comments from the trolls. I have working Chan, Yuen and Ting Wheels to improve. Money is not a problem. Huge sums are flowing into Hong Kong. We can easily donate the USD100,000 to WITTS to get a self looped system before the other QEG researchers. It may be a repeat of the funding of the 225 HP Pulse Motor by a Hong Kong Investor.
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ie. paid money and received plans that weren't really complete.
Then Robitalie thought he could work it out for himself rather than stump up another load
of cash for the next instalment from Thrapp.
When he realised he couldn't do it and had spent all he had on Thrapp and parts and
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Thanks Bill!
John.
What is the output of the QEG, so that the input for the inverter is clear ? -Range of Voltage: 180-600 volt DC
-Maximum Power: We tested up to 10kW and it’s a conservative rating
The so called free energy, over unity is intiated in the device by the plasma created by the spark gap in this device. YES or NO? If not what is spark gaps function here? NO - the exciter circuit is a tank circuit tuned to 1.3 MHz which is one of Earth's high resonance frequencies (not Schumann). Each 2-3 second spark superimposes 1.3 MHz pulses on top of the 400 Hz sine wave. This conducts local atmospheric energy into the generator core. This has effect of conditioning the core to maximize magnetic flux and output.http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=26 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=26)
The exciter coil/spark gap is only used temporarily to condition the core. After a couple of weeks of use it's removed (not needed anymore).
How is the QEG started up if it doesn’t require fuel? All that’s needed is to spin the machine up to resonance. At that point it will run itself. It can behttp://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=5 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=5)
started using existing electrical power if available, or a crank mechanism, or a battery powered
motor-start system. A battery start system could also keep its own batteries fully charged, by
tapping some power from the generator.
Let me share a scam from evil people that really want to hurt you and just take your money!!!I find your meaningless chattering on off topic matters and your denial of the number zero to be completely turdic. I'd truly like to flush you away from this forum.
I already mentioned that I sell stuff on craigslist, this is just one of the scams I face!
Scams are easy to spot!
In fact I see the negative people here not believing in QEGs as scamers. River + alternator = FREEEE energy!!!!!!
It wood appear joel just doesn't seem to understand that people don't like to be interrupted when they are beating a dead horse or just beating off.Does that mean that you conclude that the QEG is a dead horse?
C'mon joel get with the programming.
Regards...
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg423570/#msg423570 (http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg423570/#msg423570)The Robitailles have demonstrated that the QEG is a low effiency power converter. If you think that you can modify a QEG to make it into the free energy generator that the Robitailles represent, then I am sure many people would love to see a working demonstration. If it is just a theory of yours, you have had many such theories of working free energy machines and none have worked.
The discussion of QEG from the point of view of the LEE-TSEUNG lead out energy theory and the proposed improvements.
I do not care about the comments from the trolls. I have working Chan, Yuen and Ting Wheels to improve. Money is not a problem. Huge sums are flowing into Hong Kong. We can easily donate the USD100,000 to WITTS to get a self looped system before the other QEG researchers. It may be a repeat of the funding of the 225 HP Pulse Motor by a Hong Kong Investor.
People would only be suffering needlessly if the claimed technology were real but not being pursued. Since the claims are BS no one is being harmed by being denied something that doesn't exist in the first place.Therefore.... LTseung is lying -- or deluded -- when he claims he can "easily donate 100000 dollars to WITTS" to buy a self running machine. Fine, let him admit it and retract his lying delusional claim then.
Therefore.... LTseung is lying -- or deluded -- when he claims he can "easily donate 100000 dollars to WITTS" to buy a self running machine. Fine, let him admit it and retract his lying delusional claim then.Generally, Lawrence keeps to his own thread where his promotion of his non-working lead out ideas are more or less innocuous. Why he has chosen to spew BS here about working QEGs and a $100,000. check burning a hole in his under-unity pocket I don't know. He just sets himself up to look silly if he doesn't live up to his big claim.
We do not need this area of research to be cluttered up with false claims from people like LTseung or offtopic silly rants from people like Joel. We do not need false claimants like the FTW QEG people to poison the wells of credibility and financing with their lies and delusions. We do not need constant errors, basic misunderstandings and inadequate testing protocols from people who might mean well but refuse to take the advice of those who are experts in the fields involved. We do not need all this BULLSHIT and gobbledegook from blowhards who think they are the next Tesla but cannot even handle units properly and who have never even done any formal study of the topics.
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"Dolphins are mostly unemployed" Tis true, but they play a very very important role here on earth. In the unlikely event that the earth is destroyed, their principle function is to bridge all probabilities by winking out of existence a picosecond prior to the event so that a new earth can be created.No one can call them ungrateful.
I've come to the conclusion that Joel is the living embodiment of a QEG, in that his intellectual output is far far less than what he inputs from folks here in this forum.
Their philosophy of disclosing and sharing what they know even if that is incomplete starts to excite me.
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg423570/#msg423570 (http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg423570/#msg423570)
The discussion of QEG from the point of view of the LEE-TSEUNG lead out energy theory and the proposed improvements.
Happy to meet you in Hong Kong anytime to see any POC (proof of concept) devices you have that exhibit any overunity, free energy or a COP of more than one (you choose). I was really disappointed when the UFO's did not show up at the Olympic games in 2012 in China.
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie
I see the Joel troll has adopted the Rosemary Ainslie strategy of attempting to bury significant challenges to false claimants and false claims with post after post of irrelevant nonsense.
Let me talk to the most intelligent person in the world and answer why the earth is psining around the sun?Joel it's the "G"force. Same letter "G" as in QEG. Do you see the connection. Pretty spooky hey!
The Milkovic 2SO is already an overunity or lead out energy device. The swing amplitude does not decrease when the weight is lifted.
Joel it's the "G"force. Same letter "G" as in QEG. Do you see the connection. Pretty spooky hey!
This statement is pure "bovine excrement residue". I have build one of those Milkovic machines, have you? My machine had a 1m dia wheel which was driven by a ratchet mechanism activated from the oscillating beam on the fulcrum. As soon as the ratchet mechanism engaged and the wheel started turning (In other words made to perform work), the amplitude of the pendulum started to decrease. Milkovic has not been able to demonstrate overunity at all and neither has anyone trying to replicate his contraption.
This vital link points to the possibility that many pulse motors are actually OU. The efforts of thousands of OU researchers will not be in vain...
QEG and the WITTS devices are likely to be OU already... Ignore the trolls.
Void,Lawrence would you be so kind as to show a working demonstration that offers strong evidence that any of the devices that you have represented over the years as being OU actually is OU? by my recollection each and every device you have represented as OU has been discredited.
Thank you for the good information.
I do not mind that some information is many years old. The Milkovic 2SO must have been around for over 20 years. Why do thousands of scientists look at it and cannot see that it is already an OU or a lead out energy device.
I was told by a mechanical engineer that the Milkovic 2SO was one of their projects when he was an undergraduate over 10 years ago. They, including their lecturer. did not make the link with the unbalanced wheel.
How many who looked at the video made that connection? How many build the equivalent of the Chan Wheel? How many confirmed that a balanced wheel cannot lift the Weight whereas the unbalanced wheel can easily lift the Weight? How many noticed that the amplitude of oscillation of the pendulum does not decrease? How many conclude that the energy must come in from outside? How many realized that gravitational energy must have been brought in?
If gravitational energy can be brought in by the unbalanced wheel Milkovic style, can magnetic or electromagnetic energy be brought in similarly?
This vital link points to the possibility that many pulse motors are actually OU. The efforts of thousands of OU researchers will not be in vain...
QEG and the WITTS devices are likely to be OU already... Ignore the trolls.
Void,
Thank you for the good information.
I do not mind that some information is many years old. The Milkovic 2SO must have been around for over 20 years. Why do thousands of scientists look at it and cannot see that it is already an OU or a lead out energy device.
....
Dear TK and Bill,
Please study the posts from:
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg417148/#msg417148 (http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg417148/#msg417148)
....
Lawrence
Joel it's the "G"force. Same letter "G" as in QEG. Do you see the connection. Pretty spooky hey!
Letter of encouragement to the QEG teams.
Letter of encouragement to the QEG teams.
Letter of encouragement to the QEG teams.Lawrence why do you choose to offer your support to demonstrated frauds? That does not reflect well on your judgement.
I heard the OPPT community that hope girl was associated with there, fell apart.Yep, as soon as they figured out nobody was going to wash their dishes for them, they started fading away. Heather Tucci-Jarraf is still there, though.
Yep, as soon as they figured out nobody was going to wash their dishes for them, they started fading away. Heather Tucci-Jarraf is still there, though.HopeGirl clearly got the idea for her scam from Brian Kelly (OPPT opal tour, engine running on water but needed donations for gas). HG I'm sure believed that with her business background she could take the crowd funding idea to whole other level, and she had a purported free energy device in her back yard (WITTS). Now that I've seen more pictures of Brian I'm sure that he in the guy I said looked like Sterling Allan in her latest video. Actually FIX THE WORLD looks like a joint Brian and HopeGirl idea dating back to summer of 2013: http://joy2theworld2012.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/fix-the-world-documentary-a-quick-update-by-brian-kelly-hope-girl/ (http://joy2theworld2012.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/fix-the-world-documentary-a-quick-update-by-brian-kelly-hope-girl/)
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_People%27s_Public_Trust (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_People%27s_Public_Trust)
In a historical event unlike any other, a free energy device was crowdfunded and open sourced. Then one was donated to an impoverished village in Morocco. The Morocco QEG build was made open to the public with an invitation to anyone who was interested to come and learn how to build a QEG. Close to 80 people from 24 different countries showed up in the little village of Aouchtam Morocco for this unique event which was hosted thanks to the hard work of some of our best friends and fellow truth movement bloggers. Those attending where some of the highest caliber engineers and physicists on the planet. This is what happens when you open source and give away technology! Below is a beautiful recalling of the experience of the QEG in Morocco written by our friend and future blogger Mel B. It begins here in England where the FTW family is busy preparing for our next build and 3rd phase completion of the project. Thank you Mel for capturing the true essence of the miracles that unfolded in Morocco during this unprecedented time in our human history!Aouchtam is were the OPPT set up their community and were Heather and Brian presumably reside. Here is were one of Brian's supporters explicitly claims that they achieved OU in Aouchtam: http://truthseeker1313.com/2014/05/24/brian-kellys-blog-free-energy-is-here/ (http://truthseeker1313.com/2014/05/24/brian-kellys-blog-free-energy-is-here/) These guys live in a complete fantasy world. HG's note above reads like they actually built a working device and handed it over to the villagers to pump water. It's all about creating an illusion to con people into giving them money so they can continue to live in Morocco. Notice how there is a donate button on Brian's page. HG has the same thing going on. It's not all crowd funding events, there is money trickling in all the time. The sad thing is the folks buying the QEG core for $3k a pop are not aware of this intimate connection with the OPPT, and are unaware that this is and was always a carefully choreographed scam to fund a commune in Morocco. I'm sure HG has been planing her move to Morocco for sometime. It didn't just suddenly happen in September when her parents lost their home. Deep down they probably believe they are doing good by the world. They call their place in Morocco the BE and DO sanctuary. I wonder if Kevin is aware of all this history?
-Hope
If they are getting a kickback then Torelco could well have stepped out of the role of an innocent contractor to one of a co-conspirator.
what about our set up? A photon is a quantum of light?
We've got 45 kw. of solar panels and believe me on a reasonable day they put out
some juice. Might describe it more as a quantum energy harvester but I bet it could
power a good few Robitalie resonators.
Anyways to get a bit more out of the deal we have a couple of boreholes,water from
one bore, goes through a heat recovery system and is returned to the other bore.
At times an immersion heater is used to raise the temperature of the circulating
water to sterilise it and prevent the risk of Leigonella.
Now if someone could come up with a decent storage battery!!!
John.
There are many upon many of already made life self runners that one cannot believe in them since they are 100% facts....it is obvious that the SUN is a self runner!!! or are you pumping it trillions of gasoline in it's tank?
Any 15-year-old child can do 20 minutes of research and come back and explain to you that the sun is obviously not a "self runner." The sun burns fuel and eventually it will run out of fuel. 100% facts in your face. Any normal adult with a science background knows that the sun is not a self runner.
It's just like that fist new interview that Hopedestroying Girl did where she interviewed this artist guy about the QEG. It was totally forced and fake and completely uncomfortable. Naima was getting the poor guy to repeat all of the cliches that we started hearing nine months ago. The Be-Do forum is a joke that has been dead and lifeless and idea-less for the past five months.
This whole farcical story is playing out just like many people predicted starting about nine months ago. Poetic justice would be for the Hopedestroyer gang of Naima, Jamie, and Val to run out of money and end up as subsistence farm labourers toiling under the hot sun in Morocco.
If anyone is curious, after having done extensive research and meditation I have solved the age old mystery of what came first...the chicken or the egg.
Regards...
no hope for QEG. unless had a good look Ecklin generator (http://overunitybuilder.com/ecklinpatent.html (http://overunitybuilder.com/ecklinpatent.html)) but something also missing; remember once magnetic flux induced to a transformer core if you cut the electric current there will be flyback spike when magnetic flux collapsing, this is the only way lenz law do not apply! if you create electric current while inducing magnetic current there will be lenz effect but not from collapsing magnetic field.(inducing magnetic field by generator magnets cost no energy!) Look the gif animation below how can we improve this design?Flybacks all conform to Lenz' Law.
In your statement, you clearly mentioned chicken first then the egg. I think the answer is obvious.
Flybacks all conform to Lenz' Law.
The energy in the flyback pulse all comes from the energy required to build-up the magnetic field in the first place.
yes ofcourse this is why we get flyback spikes but I meant it is free of cost, by no means of energy as to my design.
My question to you humanity is: How much do YOU want free energy?LOL
In this interview, James Robitaille, the Senior Engineer of the QEG project, comes out into the public for the first time in many months...Everyone drop your linen! The unreachable, unattainable, rock star presidential king status James is about to allow an audience with his grace.
I could only bear to watch part of those crooks video, but go to 0:56:00 in the video and listen till "Witts" is mentioned, it's hilarious.
James states they are only first seeing the voltage surges that was described to them by Witts, so that is an admission that they
have nothing as yet and never did. An admission to fraud, they must have screws loose. Someone download that video soon, I am unable.
..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF_XpCapmn0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF_XpCapmn0)
I'm downloading it using Download Helper for FF. And I mistakenly clicked twice so I'm getting two copies, and I cannot find out how to cancel a Download Helper DL. I've even tried disabling the addon and restarting FF, and it immediately resumes downloading from the beginning even when "disabled", and it even overwrites the previously downloaded file and starts that one over from the beginning too, whether or not I'm actually on the video page. I guess it will keep doing that until it has finished both copies. I hope it stops then. Very frustrating not to be able to cancel a download; actually a major fail on the part of the add-on. I may have to try to remove it altogether if it keeps up this crap.
It's a Cargo Cult of pseudoscience, and Jamie is John Frum.When did the drummer of RMS die? I didn't even know that he was sick.
I had to stop, from laughing so much, when they lit up the little light bulb with the invisible wires, claiming "transferring voltage without current". Neither one of them actually understands how and why the light bulb lights up from their "Tesla hairpin" setup. And it's a miracle they haven't electrocuted themselves or the cat with the lack of respect they show for high voltage apparatus. I survived my HV accident, barely, but one do-over is all I get. Will they?
I didn't get as far as the Brooks coil stuff. Have they abandoned the teachings of their hero Nikola Tesla, then?
Of course they didn't show any measurements. Did you really think they would? Measurements prove the futility of their cargo cult rituals and posturings. I am so happy that they choose to publish silly videos like this because with every one they do, more and more of their fanbase will come to realize that these people have no clue, that they lied blatantly over and over about having something that worked, and that they will never attain anything like what they promised, and _still_ claim and promise, in the plans and instructions and FAQs and etc.
MH, I have the feeling that those folks wouldn't even have made it as far as your workbench, they'd fail the initial interview. "RMS? Yeah, I loved their music, too bad the drummer died."
Couldn't watch the video for long it was so painful!
Decided to sell my Shopvac, it's only gathering dust.
John.
Any 15-year-old child can do 20 minutes of research and come back and explain to you that the sun is obviously not a "self runner." The sun burns fuel and eventually it will run out of fuel. 100% facts in your face. Any normal adult with a science background knows that the sun is not a self runner.
It's just like that fist new interview that Hopedestroying Girl did where she interviewed this artist guy about the QEG. It was totally forced and fake and completely uncomfortable. Naima was getting the poor guy to repeat all of the cliches that we started hearing nine months ago. The Be-Do forum is a joke that has been dead and lifeless and idea-less for the past five months.
This whole farcical story is playing out just like many people predicted starting about nine months ago. Poetic justice would be for the Hopedestroyer gang of Naima, Jamie, and Val to run out of money and end up as subsistence farm labourers toiling under the hot sun in Morocco.
So you are telling me just because it will stop burning is has not been self running for millions of years?
I'll heed Carlin's advice! " Never argue with an idiot, they'll only bring you down to their
level-and beat you with experience".
Yes.
The QEG is dead and will be forgotten.
if it has not been forgotten since Nicola Tesla, what makes you think it will in 10 more years?
Your judgmental mind is showing along with your ignorance.
First you FAIL to understand FREEE energy, then you FAIL to understand the difference between good intentions VS bad. Then you admitted yourself that you don't even understand the technology WUT, you said that you don't understand the technology but YET you are here saying that it is DEAD! Lol
How can that be....a fake doctor being a judge in a hospital! Lol
I would agree if logic made sense but nothing you say is pleasing to common sense.
Explain to me further why the SUN is not a self runner? You see, if you say thing that are common knowledge, why take you seriously in other things?
I'm still bailed by it....”the sun is NOT a self runner because it will stop running” o.0
that's like saying, the “big bang” is not running right now because it will implode...
fuken of-course the sun will stop burning but not after millions/billions of years....that's pretty obvious....
Something with a little bit of fuel will burn for a little while....something with a shitload of fuel will burn for millions of years. The sun has a shitload of fuel. That Sir, is NOT self-running. Just burning up the fuel it has. Please learn even some basic physics before posting. You are typing to folks that know better.
There is a huge difference between 'self runner' and 'perpetual motion'.
What is a “self runner” in your mind?
Define a “self runner”?
Define "perpetual motion'?
Define the difference of both? ::)
Comments open on the last Robitaille show, but on youtube:
"
The Peoples Free Energy Show Episode 3 James Robitaille QEG Breakthrough
lisamharrison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dRjimuIGkAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dRjimuIGkAM)
"
LOL, so you see when it has SHITLOAD of energy it has been self running until it needs “REFULING”..
That means that it is running by “itself” until it refuels.
My response
http://revolution-green.com/qegdefending-indefensible/#comment-1716393686 (http://revolution-green.com/qegdefending-indefensible/#comment-1716393686)
Good treatise TK. I think that it's fair to assume that the overall message has percolated down to even the most rabid believers in the QEG. Some of them must be having real doubts. Some of them must have a sinking feeling that they are just mindless drones "cheering" the endless stories of the "breakthroughs" of the "leaders" that are in reality just an ongoing string of failures.What about Zarkov?
I just wonder if anyone on the "inside" that flips will ever publicly confront Naima Feagin and her gang? I have always found the "totalitarian regime" aspect of the whole thing to be creepy.
We need to activate one of our fifth column agents within the organization soon. lol (Captain Zero just choked on his Rice Krispies.)
Dr.Hans Zarkov has also retired to Morocco after his many years of work on rocket propulsion. He may be of great assistance and is well connected. It is important "we the people" are able to suppress any new uprising of these forces of tyranny disguised as free energy mercenaries.Le Chaim!
Kind Regards
That is complete and total nonsensical idiocy. It's moronic and totally stupid to pretend that you can redefine the meaning of words to advance your 'argument.'
If 6 was 9, you don't mind?
The evidence is all over the place that there are hundreds of them that don't even get out in to the public and just fade out.
Just one example out of many....http://weburbanist.com/2013/04/23/lunar-power-solar-spheres-energized-by-both-sun-moon/ (http://weburbanist.com/2013/04/23/lunar-power-solar-spheres-energized-by-both-sun-moon/)
lol, you are just sitting in your chair in front of your computer expecting that one day the only answer that can be given is in this forum. Lol..simple minded individual.
Milehigh, tell me how that sphere will never work based on your highly advance intelligence with details?
So, let me get this straight. I put gas in my car and....suddenly, it is an overunity machine? It is self running?
This is, of course, nonsense. Somehow, I am not sure why, but I think you are intelligent enough to know this.
"Self-running" means, a device makes enough energy from its output to overcome the energy required for its input.
"Self-running" means, it does not require new batteries, or a charge, or, additional fuel (energy) input to keep operating. My car does not fit this description. Neither does the sun.
You are not accounting for the energy input which is the mistake most newbies make.
The questions is....do you want to really learn? Or, do you just want to continue to post nonsense that tags you as a newbie?
I am not a chemist but I believe that the sun converts hydrogen to helium3, which is a very efficient way to operate, BUT, it is not making its own fuel, no more than your car does, it will, eventually run out of fuel...just like your car. No magic here.
If you don't believe any of us, as I suggested earlier, please take some physics courses or read some books. You probably have a good mind and you could really benefit from this. The choice is yours.
So, I suppose that means No, you will not read science/physics books and attempt to learn?
I am not sure of your reasoning or even purpose. No amount of words will make a QEG work. No evidence presented so far has indicated it has or ever will. What has been presented is a lot of emotive words and a clear demonstration of ignorance of basic science and electrical engineering concepts. I am not sure why anyone is trying to convince you otherwise of your strong beliefs and acts of faith. It seems pointless and we should leave you in peace with your opinions and convictions.
I do wish you the best but quite frankly its not even worth the time to try and see reason or have a logical argument. As I always say, show me the data. Without it its just hypothetical conjecture with little reflection on reality.
Love and Peace
The Sun has but one gas tank, and it's going to run out of gas. It's going to get bloated and swallow up the inner planets. That's a FREEE bake and shake for the burnt toast Earth. You are going to become plasma. FREEE plasma!
what is FREEE energy?
What is self-runner?
What is a QEG?
What caused “the big bang”
The answer is 42 + j420.
Study this clip and look at all of the energy dynamics and transformations taking place.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w)
Hi Joel,
I am not sure of your reasoning or even purpose. No amount of words will make a QEG work. No evidence presented so far has indicated it has or ever will. What has been presented is a lot of emotive words and a clear demonstration of ignorance of basic science and electrical engineering concepts. I am not sure why anyone is trying to convince you otherwise of your strong beliefs and acts of faith. It seems pointless and we should leave you in peace with your opinions and convictions.
I do wish you the best but quite frankly its not even worth the time to try and see reason or have a logical argument. As I always say, show me the data. Without it its just hypothetical conjecture with little reflection on reality.
Love and Peace
Mark
Working note received from James today:(Fix the World QEG)
"Made an important discovery last night. Remember I told ya the exciter coil has to be resonant in the circuit. That's what we've been trying to make happen. We can tune it fine when it's not wired into the generator. But when you connect to the generator, it behaves differently. I did some research and realized we have to tune it while it's short-circuited. That's what haappens when you wire it into the circuit. The high frequency (1.3Mhz) makes it behave like it's shorted. Which is fine. It still tunes, and it still radiates! Even when it's shorted! So that answers one of the questions we had from the beginning! i.e. how do you tune the exciter coil while it's in circuit? Answer: put a shorting jumper across it, and tune it shorted! So that's what I'm working on today."
I can't be sure what James is doing, but it sounds cockamamie to me! It's one step away from a word salad. 300 MHz is one meter. 1.3 MHz is 230 meters. Doesn't that mean that his small coil will not radiate much at all and will only produce near-field radiation?
*dofts hat in Joel's direction*
I watched silently as he came here, laying low among the weeds, and making leading statements.
To some, he must have appeared to be a midget...then rose up on one knee...nobody seem to notice...he began baiting his trap(placing a 'tar baby' on the grounds), trapping many unwitting feet.
Then he stood up (now taller that first appeared) posing provocative questions.
In chess vernacular, he set up some type of textural Sicilian defense, closing in on checkmate, or at the very least a stalemate.
Great to watch.
Regards...
Culture Critique:
The picture is funny...the caption wanting in relevance.
Regards...
I ask the readership...whats worse than a stupid idiot ?
Answer...a stupid idiot following people on a web site making unamusing and unimaginative gay references and trying to convince himself that everybody doesn't see how stupid he is.
Hey joel...I think this moron needs another lesson in logic.
Regards...
A classic case of projection...the most common and unimaginative of all the psychological conditions.
Good lord...this is getting pathetic.
Each post more dense than the previous.
This has to be a troll or the stupidest person ever seen on a message board.
Regards...
Ummm....you might want to tell your shrink that you are "seeing" people on a message board. I mean...really...I do not think that you have ever seen me....right? But, once again the "Troll" word rears its ugly head. Just as I predicted.
Thank you, I just won $10.00.
Plus, you might want to reconsider admitting that the "stupidest person ever" keeps besting your posts. It does not really do anything to elevate your stature here. Try posting to Joel...you both appear to be about the same level of intelligence. You can have a great conversation. He seems like a decent fellow but, I believe he is straight so...you probably should not hit on him.
Bill
Hard to argue the logic of a troll who's drunk texting... that also happens to be a moron to boot.
- Did you know that "The OPPT Dream Team as come out with the long-awaited apology"?
(from skype QEGnetwork "henryoleary" 29 Nov 2014 ):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI1iZUw8QYQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI1iZUw8QYQ)
- In attachment, chat from QEGNetwork from 2014 11 Nov until 2014 30 Nov 09H23: BS...
- About Joel and Cap-z-ro and mmeta200, some reading:
Believing Bullshit: How Not to Get Sucked into an Intellectual Black Hole. Copyright © 2011 Stephen Law
excerpt:
"My suggestion is that our contemporary cultural landscape contains, if you like, numerous Intellectual Black Holes—belief systems constructed in such a way that unwary passersby can find themselves similarly drawn in. While those of us lacking robust intellectual and other psychological defenses are most easily trapped, we're all potentially vulnerable. If you find yourself encountering a belief system in which one or more of these mechanisms features prominently, be wary. Alarm bells should be going off and warning lights flashing. For you may now be approaching the event horizon of an Intellectual Black Hole"
Here is a torrent links: http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/8895339/ (http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/8895339/)
(you need a torrent program to download this)
Moderator: feel free to erase the torrent link if it's forbiden!
No matter what the trolls say, the QUEG is still a very good Overunity. And unless the critics can't explain why galaxies spin without a diesel engine or a why then they are wrong. Period. Long live openmindedness, hopegirl and the Qeg.No, until "HopeGirl" and the rest of the QEG believers can come up with what they already said they had, back over a year ago, _they_ are wrong, period.
No matter what the trolls say, the QUEG is still a very good Overunity. And unless the critics can't explain why galaxies spin without a diesel engine or a why then they are wrong. Period. Long live openmindedness, hopegirl and the Qeg.If the QEG is a good example of overunity, then overunity is apparently useless as an energy source.
No matter what the trolls say, the QUEG is still a very good Overunity. And unless the critics can't explain why galaxies spin without a diesel engine or a why then they are wrong. Period. Long live openmindedness, hopegirl and the Qeg.I hope you are a strong financial supporter to their cause as they need people like you and people like you need to part with your money. Even the QEG people admit they do not have a self runner???
If 6 was 9, you don't mind?
isim,
I find it really interesting the sort of things that are going on in other peoples' minds.
Everyone who contributes has their own style. I look upon the skeptics as those that believe
in their silly devices and that they'll work. They're obviously skeptical of the well proven
first principles. If there was something in these QEG's or whatever out of the billions of motors
and generators that have been built at least one should have took off on its own now.
John
No matter what the trolls say, the QUEG is still a very good Overunity. And unless the critics can't explain why galaxies spin without a diesel engine or a why then they are wrong. Period. Long live openmindedness, hopegirl and the Qeg.The real reason that the QEG has not self run yet is the lack of funding. If you are a person of means I urge you to make a hefty donation to the cause- $10 to 20 K would be most welcome. With this level of contribution you will immediately become an insider and be privy to what is really happening and the progress really being made. We need this technology like yesterday!. HopeGirl provides many ways to donate to her enterprise. She will open her green door to you. I know her efforts are the real deal. Good luck!
Hey Bill, I can't wait to get well enough to start experimenting again, I kind of left my projects at a standstill now for months due
to illness. I may need to move to the big smoke to get treatment.
We were working on similar projects.
I'm in the process of de-stocking the livestock so I can stop the work that is causing me problems. Finally the breeding stock is gone,
so the animal Over Unity is now stopped ;) and I can get control of the workload ::) , now the work will get less and less.
OU can be hard work to keep under control. Everything evens out in the end though.
All that can be said about OU and free energy is that it's just a quagmire of misunderstandings and differing use of terms ect.
.
isim,
I find it really interesting the sort of things that are going on in other peoples' minds.
Everyone who contributes has their own style. I look upon the skeptics as those that believe
in their silly devices and that they'll work. They're obviously skeptical of the well proven
first principles. If there was something in these QEG's or whatever out of the billions of motors
and generators that have been built at least one should have took off on its own now.
John
Skeptic
adjective
skeptical: used esp. in philosophy
Origin of skeptic
Classical Latin scepticus ; from Classical Greek skeptikos, thoughtful, inquiring ; from skeptesthai, to consider: altered by metathesis ; from Indo-European base an unverified form spe-, to peer from source spy
noun
1. a member of any of the ancient Greek philosophical schools that denied the possibility of any certain knowledge
2. a person who believes in or practices philosophical skepticism
3. a person who habitually doubts, questions, or suspends judgment upon matters generally accepted
4. a person who doubts religious doctrines
Webster's New World College Dictionary Copyright © 2010 by Wiley Publishing, Inc., Cleveland, Ohio.
Used by arrangement with John Wiley & Sons, Inc.
If all the hippies cut off all their hair, would you care? Would you care?!
When you pretend that you can just redefine the meanings of words to advance your argument you fall flat on your face. 100% facts. In your face bb. Your posts are silly and nobody can take them seriously. You need a j420 holiday just like Allegedly Dave.
The bottom line: The QEG never worked, does not work now, and never will work. Prove me wrong and show a working QEG to the forum and then we can talk.
EVERYTHING THAT OUTPUTS REQUIRES LESS INPUT!!!
Joel:
Have you read all of the other people stating that your comments are junk?
Hey joel...that certainly didn't stop him tho...post on.
Regards...
Apparently the drunken sot forgets calling joel an idiot...as he does with anyone he disagrees with who uses too many syllables for him to follow.
This gay sh!t must be looped in his head...there's for sure lots of space for cassette tape in there.
Its painfully obvious thats the only level he can communicate on.
Regards...
Cap has offered one good bit of advice and that is not to feed trolls. By and large I think we should take him up on that piece of advice.
Wrong, you have it BACKWARDS. The output is always LESS THAN THE INPUT.
INPUT = OUTPUT + WASTE HEAT.
OUTPUT = INPUT - WASTE HEAT
IF WASTE HEAT GREATER THAN ZERO THEN OUTPUT LESS THAN INPUT
Take the example of the QEG:
INPUT = 600 WATTS
OUTPUT = 174 WATTS
WASTE HEAT = 426 WATTS
In each ladder of the stream there is less energy since it's a river flowing down the step ladder.
More completely foolish nonsense comparing the QEG that has nothing to do with renewable energy and a hydro dam that makes use of renewable energy. We are not discussing hydro dams, or the flight of the bumblebee, or daisies pushing up out of the ground in the Spring sun.
mr milehigh,you know very well that the QEG is open source technology and I can,t disclose details because the chinese would steal it or the big oil would supress it.
No Joel, I could have answered all of your silly questions if I wanted to. But in this thread we are talking about the QEG, that's just the way it is.
That is a lot of money, and time, and energy wasted by a lot of people because a very small group of people were lying. That is the reality and it's a very unfortunate thing that some people are immoral and commit these types of crimes. This is just another form of "Munich" and it's disgusting.
Keep your bloody navel gazing to yourself and say something about the QEG if you can.
So that South African dude announces that his QEG has reached resonance, pats himself on the back and says that they should all go get a drink and then never returns: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/southafrica2/591-qeg-reaching-resonance-in-cape-town (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/southafrica2/591-qeg-reaching-resonance-in-cape-town)
Ah but hang on, its not time for the cigar yet, as there are now two more levels of resonance to achieve yet! ;DYes that's right! But if he truly reaches the 2nd resonance (mechanical vibration of the core laminations), the machine will likely self destruct and there will be red splatter marks all over the walls. This could also be the reason we do not hear from them anymore. James, being such an incompetent "engineer", has not yet reached this stage of resonance. Just a thought!
FTW and HopeGirl instantly became the target of paid trolls when we opensourced the QEG. This includes trolls that lurk on Youtube, Energetics forum, Overunity.com, Mark Dancey, Tinsel Koala, the list goes on and on. The question we should all ask is: Are these the behaviors that are going to help humanity and bring through free energy? Or are these the behaviors that will continue to suppress it? Perhaps a better use for that $10K would be to find a good cause, like a village of people living in poverty with no water or electricity and use it there.
Alex isn’t the first to attack, and he won’t be the last. At this stage we will continue to do the work that we have been doing all along and will continue to make everything transparent as this is the remedy for the lies secrecy and suppression. We ask for your support and prayers while we tirelessly press on.
Yes that's right! But if he truly reaches the 2nd resonance (mechanical vibration of the core laminations), the machine will likely self destruct and there will be red splatter marks all over the walls. This could also be the reason we do not hear from them anymore. James, being such an incompetent "engineer", has not yet reached this stage of resonance. Just a thought!All that plastic potting sure will wreak havoc with any "core lamination resonance". Did "Sir" Timmy Thrapp's "working" QEG have this stuff glommed all over it? I don't think so.
I'm a guy that is a heavy DIYer, I own many tools and try to buy the most high tech tools. e.g. brushless cordless tools. LED bulb flash lights! Etc etc etc. even in the HVAC systems or automobile engines I understand how they work and to make them last longer, like sticking a magnet in the engine oil filter to catch the micro metal shavings (get rid of the liquid sand paper)...!!! you name it....I probably have more tools than any of you in here.http://www.google.com/patents/US4177779
Now I stand here as a newbie and watch these people just gang up on one idea and say that this idea is a scam!
Then I watch on youtube, and all over the place, the truth since no one will ever shut up socialism...we now have the technology to prove it beyond just word of mouth.
Time and time again things like these repeat themselves....
http://www.editinternational.com/read.php?id=482881ba117d7 (http://www.editinternational.com/read.php?id=482881ba117d7)
http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/e-wall.html (http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/e-wall.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYo1QlvK5g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYo1QlvK5g)
and many more....so if one fails does not mean that such items are not working?
The evidence is all over the place that you have to be either bias or get paid to ignore the truth.
Just like “free checking” accounts! It is free to open one up but with a lot of HIDDEN charges that they feel comfortable to call it FREE because the hidden charges will make a profit from the “free” believers! (corruption - lies)
They want to hide the corruption by humor....so they can leave laughing with their pockets full of money.
At any rate, I thought I was reading intelligent comments here but now i'm disappointed. Lol same old shyt different day. You have the groupies, the know-it-alls, and the have been stuck in the hole people.
NO intelligence what so ever in here just a broken record! Lol
Given that your so handy will you please build one and report back on your results.
um lazy replies require lazy answers, so yes I can.Yes, that is correct, because I'm lazy and really can not be bothered to give anymore time to someone who gets his kicks from verbally masturbating on this forum each and every day.
Lol, you quoted everything I said and just made this non-intelligent answer....lol please!
I can bet you $3000 US dollars that I can fix more stuff in your house than you can? I'm so confident because I have done it many times. If I even begin to picture engine as houses, ohh my, that's so HARD! lol
Let me guess, you did not write that nor have build one yourself you are just being lazy thinking and just using it as a reference to prove a point?
I don't even know what you are trying to point out, but it's a fact theft the USA makes diesel engines that can do 40MPG to the Canadians and the same engine is retarded in the USA to do 20 MPG....FACTS!
Plus, diesel is less refined and takes less ENERGY to make it yet all of a sudden it is expensive.....the trial of bread crumbs bro! all over again!!!
We have backdoors in windows computers, cellphones, phone lines, gaming consoles....yet with all of this supposedly "security" 9/111 happened? you know why, because the "security" is a cover up for cash cow!
Yes, that is correct, because I'm lazy and really can not be bothered to give anymore time to someone who gets his kicks from verbally masturbating on this forum each and every day.
Can you fix your telescope mount motor controller by replacing a 24 pin SMD chip? I can. How about replacing the capacitors and power mosfets in your dark LCD monitor? How about the input FETs of your oscilloscope, got any idea how to fix those? I can. Got a nibbling tool for enlarging holes in sheet metal, so you can replace a burned out switch from a portable electric heater with one of heavier-duty size without making a mess? I do, did that three days ago. Got a frequency counter with nine significant digits in the display, an always-on crystal oven for stability and NIST-traceable calibration? How about a modern Shimpo optical tachometer, also with NIST-traceable calibration? Got a GenRad StroboTac? I do. Ever work with serious high voltages (over 100 kV? Over 1 MEGAVOLT??) I have. Clearing out your plumbing or replacing a switch in your microwave oven is child's play, literally. But can you actually _fix_ anything? I repaired two UPS boxes last week, the kitchen sink faucets the week before that, fixed a Kepco HV power supply last month, replaced my car's entire airconditioner system last year. Overhauled the automatic transmission in my old Chevy pickup truck twenty years ago. Built at least a dozen hot-rod VW engines, completely overhauled the 350 V8 in a '56 Cadillac in the 1980s sometime, including rebuilding the 4-bbl carburetor, sleeving 3 cylinders, grinding the crank and replacing one cylinder head totally due to the dropped valve that killed the engine. And I removed and replaced that engine/transmission assembly _by myself_ without even the aid of an engine hoist. Spent years working in an aircraft engine overhaul facility, building up and then and testing and breaking in engines in the test cells.
You talk about oil filter bypass valves. Do you have a tool designed specifically to _cut open_ an oil filter so you can inspect its filter material for foreign matter, that does not produce shavings or chips of its own while cutting? I do. Does it fit oil filters with different mounting thread sizes? Mine does. Do you have a Snap-On 2 1/8 inch open-end crowsfoot wrench for those Continental oil-filler-tube nuts? How about a set of Mac crowsfoots with 12 drive points? How about some _square_ sockets for pipe plugs? Got an internal pipe nipple extractor set? Diamond drills for drilling glass and ceramics? Got a lathe, do you? A set of 3/4 inch drive impact sockets, and an air impact wrench to drive them with and a big air compressor to drive the tool? I do. Tiny little table saw with a 4 1/2 inch diameter blade? Big 10 inch table saw with carbide teeth and angled guide fences? A nine-inch throat bandsaw? A set of air conditioner service gauges? An aircraft engine compression tester gauge set? Taps and dies, metric and SAE and extra-special ones too? Spark plug hole re-threaders in several different sizes? Thread repair files to cover sixteen different thread pitches? Click-stop torque wrenches in 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 inch drive, torque multipliers, beam-style torque wrenches, box-end "crowsfeet", wobble extensions, tiny tiny screwdrivers and allen keys and drivers for torx and security-torx with the stud in the hole, and three-cornered Philips bits and Robertson drive bits and nutdrivers big and small, I got them all. Screw-machine length (extra short) drill bits? Super long drill bits? Letter, number, fractional inch and metric drill bits? Got them. Safety wire twister pliers in large and small sizes? No? Do you know how to safety-wire a control cable turnbuckle, while lying on your back with your arms up over your head, in the tailcone of a Mooney? I do.
How about aircraft cylinder wrenches for Lycoming and Continental engines? I have a complete set. Cylinder ball hones in sizes to fit just about any ICE cylinder, from 1200 cc VW to PW4360? Ring compressors, ring expanders, ring gap trimmers? Electronic magneto timing indicator light set? Reverse-fluted drill bits in extra-short lengths for extracting broken studs? Helicoil thread repair sets in several different sizes? Air rivet gun and a set of rivet sets? I do. How about a rivet trimming tool for cutting down protruding flush-rivet heads without damaging the surrounding skin? Got one of those? Check, it's in the grey box, seventh drawer down from the top. Chip-chaser for clearing chips from between riveted panels? Spring-cushioned drillstops? A manual rivet shortener so you don't have to stock a bunch of different rivet lengths? Sheet-metal cutting snippers, yellow green and red? Control cable tensiometer?
Can you repair wooden, welded tube-frame and aluminum aircraft structures? Sign them off to return to flight status? Got a FAA license to do that? I do. How about paint? Can you spray catalyzed coatings with your air-spray-gun? How about airbrush for fine detail? Everybody has an airbrush, don't they? How about letter and number stamps in several different sizes? Automatic center punch, precision center finders, toolmaker's right angle standard? 1-2-3 blocks? An abrasive-blast spark plug cleaner? Gapping tool for 4-ground-electrode aviation spark plugs? Got a little numbered tray so you can keep the plugs in the right order for replacement? I do.
Oooh... I see you have an LED flashlight. Do you have one with UV LEDs so you can find uranium glass at the thrift store or garage sales? Do you have MagLites in D, C, AA and AAA sizes? How about a flashlight with a long bendy head so you can stick it where the sun don't shine? I do. How about a set of micrometer calipers readable to the ten-thousandth of an inch, covering the range from 0 to 4 inches of diameter? Hole gauges, pin gauges, precision height blocks? Adjustable hole-hones? How about thread-cutting, internal and external, on a lathe? Can you do that? I can. Can you look around from where you are sitting and see four large rollaround tool cabinets, three top boxes, three smaller hand-boxes, and have another three-layer rollaround just outside your door? I can... and that's not even all the tools YET. How about tools in other locations, like my three layer Kennedy machinist's cabinet stuffed to the gills with tooling for my miniature lathe and milling machine?
I'm not silly enough to claim that I have more tools than anyone else. I actually know a couple of people that have more. But I seriously doubt, Joel, that you are one of them.
I have a 12-inch wrench...
I have a Big, sorry I mean King Dick! See Joel we know our tools, you tool!
That wrench looks shriveled compared to mineI'm really not impressed. Yours looks new and unused. My son handing me the smaller of the two collet wrenchs for my router.
NB:This thread was posted in one of the Skype rooms, with the request from Hopegirl to share this with you on this forum:
[9:27:53 AM] worldimport24 (Alex): HOPE ! I make sure that who ever is typing your name , QEG or FTW in google will find out about your scam , misdeception and fraud you causing and still pushing for , it will be my pleassure to spend an other 10k to put together a team wich will make sure that everybody googles u up is informed and protected, !!!!!!! this will come straight back to you and bite you in your fat ass .....And that will be a REAL breakthrough !!!! PROMISE !!!!
[12:43:44 PM] Hope Moore: With attacks like this, the result is transparency. Alex (worldimport24) is a millionaire located in a lab in Shenzhen China. He assembled a team of engineers and free energy supporters to work on many different devices, including the QEG. I don’t know if he is an engineer himself or just a business man, however he was the main source of funding behind all of it. Recently his group of engineers got into a heated discussion where they spent a lot of time discussing the hierarchy of their team. (how much time was spent actually doing technical work to try to help others working on the QEG we’ll never know) Alex wanted to be CEO, others on the team felt this was too old paradigm and wanted to do it a different way. Apparently the team split up and they are not all working together anymore. Alex was upset because he couldn’t be CEO and decided to take it out on… me and the QEG.
It should be noted that I have never personally met Alex or had any conversations with him directly. So this comment, for me, seemed to come out of no where. I have met and spent time in person with several members of his old team on several occasions. All of them seem like intelligent nice people.
I will keep repeating this: it is the human behaviors of 1) Greed 2) Fear 3) Lies 4) Secrecy 5) Suppression that are the reasons why humanity has waited 130 years to have free energy. Not because it isn’t real, or it’s impossible. There are already devices out there that work, but they are not released to the public.
Our family has acted in the opposite way. We gave away the plans and opened this up for everyone to help us work on it. And we have already paid the price. We lost just about everything material: our car, our home, and a stable source of income, all for the sake of this project. We had to leave our country to move to Morocco because it is one of the few places where we can afford to support our entire family on roughly $1,000 a month. And even with these hardships, WE HAVE NEVER STOPPED WORKING ON THE QEG. Late nights, 16 hour days, 7 days a week for 11 months. That’s how much time we have put into working on the technology to figure it out so that every step of the way we can keep opensourcing it and giving away our findings to humanity. Just last week Jaime finally made a breakthrough that took him months to discover, and we opensourced that too. Because we know that what we are doing is the right thing to do, we have no fear, we communicate with god/creator/source on a daily basis and continue to ask for divine protection and guidance every step of the way.
I am not writing this as a response directly to Alex. I am writing this to all the others in this QEGCICU room. Our family will not stop working on this. We have the diligence to follow through, NO MATTER WHAT. Because we believe that this may be the only way that humanity is going to have free energy: if one group were selfless enough to just DO THE WORK AND GIVE IT AWAY. We’ve already tried all the other ways, the patents, the ownership, the greed, the ego battles. We’ve been doing that for 100 years. IT HASN’T WORKED.
In reference to Alex spending $10,000 to put together a team to ensure that everyone that types my name into google comes up with the word scam next to the QEG, it should be noted that the governments and the energy company’s have already beat you to it. Edward Snowden leaked documents that show proof in the form of actual power point slides from the internal training that they put their paid trolls through in order to discredit anyone on the internet that may do something to disrupt their power structure. I wrote a full report on it here if anyone cares to see the evidence of this fact for themselves. hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/03/02/pu...itive-change-agents/
FTW and HopeGirl instantly became the target of paid trolls when we opensourced the QEG. This includes trolls that lurk on Youtube, Energetics forum, Overunity.com, Mark Dancey, Tinsel Koala, the list goes on and on. The question we should all ask is: Are these the behaviors that are going to help humanity and bring through free energy? Or are these the behaviors that will continue to suppress it? Perhaps a better use for that $10K would be to find a good cause, like a village of people living in poverty with no water or electricity and use it there.
Alex isn’t the first to attack, and he won’t be the last. At this stage we will continue to do the work that we have been doing all along and will continue to make everything transparent as this is the remedy for the lies secrecy and suppression. We ask for your support and prayers while we tirelessly press on.
-Hope
If that's your wrench.. I'd like to see your toolbox! You've probably got drawers big enough to sleep in!My "drawers" are large given what I have to pack into them. ;) ;D
;D
Attached is a cheap solid state QEG.If the capacitor is tuned to resonate with the magnetizing inductance at the line frequency, then the overall circuit will store but not pass much energy at the line frequency. By gosh, I think you've got it!
Maybe something for TK to try out?
If you make the L1 coil with a lot of
turns, then you can get a high voltage
resonant tank circuit, just like in the
motor version of the QEG.
GL.
If the capacitor is tuned to resonate with the magnetizing inductance at the line frequency, then the overall circuit will store but not pass much energy at the line frequency. By gosh, I think you've got it!
Groundloop, yes with two good transformers your coupling should be pretty efficient. Now add the resonating capacitor and tune it to your operating frequency and watch the power transfer fall to a dribble. In essence the magnetizing inductance of the windings and the parallel capacitor forms a parallel tank that has an impedance maximum at the resonant frequency. That impedance appears in series with the load. The higher the Q, IE the better the resonance, the less power that can get to the load.
Mark,Sure it's because I didn't look closely enough. A series resonant configuration imposes minimum series impedance at resonance. If the capacitor were in parallel to the windings then it would be a parallel resonant network and would pass minimum power from the input to the output at resonance. The other thing to note is that it is the uncoupled inductance, IE the apparent leakage inductance that contributes to the LC tank. The coupled portion does not.
As I said, I have not tested the mains version but I have built and tested the solid state low voltage version.
Can you explain to me why I'm seeing the opposite happening when testing my solid state low voltage setup?
When the center coil is tuned close to the oscillator frequency then I get very good output. When the center
coil is tuned far from the oscillator frequency then I get very poor output.
GL.
Sure it's because I didn't look closely enough. A series resonant configuration imposes minimum series impedance at resonance. If the capacitor were in parallel to the windings then it would be a parallel resonant network and would pass minimum power from the input to the output at resonance. The other thing to note is that it is the uncoupled inductance, IE the apparent leakage inductance that contributes to the LC tank. The coupled portion does not.
So where does the "Overunity" leak in, then? ???
That is, what is it about these common circuits that makes people like Thane Heins, Bill Alek, the QEGites and others believe that they are, or could be, OU in any way? How are they seduced into making measurements that indicate, to them, that there is something unusual or new happening in the circuits? Is it simply the voltage rise in the resonant tank?
::)
Hi TK,
Are you talking about my circuits posted here?
I have not claimed any OU in those circuits, ever. My goal with those circuits is to make a low loss
unit for powering mains voltage LED bulbs from one 1,5 Volt D-cell battery.
GL.
I am talking about circuits virtually identical to yours, using coupled toroidal or other styles of transformers, "Bitoroids" or William Alek's transformers or many others we see, such as the QEG itself. I know that _YOU_ do not make such mistakes or claims.From comments I saw at the time the professor's problem was a combination of factors:
But why-how do other people find it so easy to fool themselves with these kinds of circuits involving coupled toroidal transformers, or other shapes of transformers? We see it all the time. You may recall that we have even seen at least one actual Professor of Physics, formerly at a well-respected university, claiming that a simple Joule Thief circuit was massively OU.
I think it is the resonant rise, combined with a lack of understanding of reactive "power", combined with a general misunderstanding or poor understanding of power measurements in general. But it would be good to have a more rigorous analysis of this "fail" than I can provide, so I am asking you and MarkE and whomever else may be interested (and qualified) to help explain how spurious measurements in these circuits can lead to false claims of "overunity".
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Re: Mark Dansie claims this solid-state device works...
« Reply #24 on: 2012-11-23, 18:07:40 »
Perhaps I did not make myself clear, so let me restate: I do not claim that my little reverse-JT device produces 8x more energy out than in; while I continue to pursue various paths seeking a device to benefit mankind.
Hi TK,A NiMH AA would be better than an alkaline D for that application as it has much lower internal resistance.
Are you talking about my circuits posted here?
I have not claimed any OU in those circuits, ever. My goal with those circuits is to make a low loss
unit for powering mains voltage LED bulbs from one 1,5 Volt D-cell battery.
GL.
A NiMH AA would be better than an alkaline D for that application as it has much lower internal resistance.
Mark,The energy stored in a magnetic field is the integral of B*H. In your scenario, H is fixed, but B could potentially go up. In order to make B go up you will have to perform work. A complication is that the energy in the tank is alternating between the electric and magnetic fields. When you change B relative to H, you change the time constant of the network immediately detuning it.
I have a question for you. If you first feed a Ferrite cored tank circuit to store energy in the tank circuit,
and then switch off the input and simultaneous switch in more Ferrite core material, then will the stored
energy in the tank circuit increase because you did change the inductance to a higher value?
(Let us assume that you can switch in more Ferrite material very fast without any losses in this thought experiment.)
GL.
The energy stored in a magnetic field is the integral of B*H. In your scenario, H is fixed, but B could potentially go up. In order to make B go up you will have to perform work. A complication is that the energy in the tank is alternating between the electric and magnetic fields. When you change B relative to H, you change the time constant of the network immediately detuning it.
Mark,Let me rephrase your question then: "Given two tank circuits, one using larger toriods than the other, which circuit stores more energy?" The answer is: "There is not enough information supplied to answer the question." A bigger form can store more energy before it saturates than a smaller toroid. As you change the dimensions of the toroid the inductance per turn changes as does the resistance per turn. The ratio of the inductive reactance to the resistance at the resonant frequency determines hat fraction of stored energy is lost each cycle, IE it determines the Q factor. The inductance and the peak current determine the peak stored energy.
De-tuning the L/C tank circuit is not a problem since the input is turned off before we add core material to the coil.
We only need to know the resonant frequency when the input is running. But I feel you have not answered my
question, does the stored energy in the tank circuit increase or decrease when we "magically" add more core
material to the coil? Let us assume we add that core material very fast and at no energy usage to do so.
GL.
Mark,
De-tuning the L/C tank circuit is not a problem since the input is turned off before we add core material to the coil.
We only need to know the resonant frequency when the input is running. But I feel you have not answered my
question, does the stored energy in the tank circuit increase or decrease when we "magically" add more core
material to the coil? Let us assume we add that core material very fast and at no energy usage to do so.
GL.
Let me rephrase your question then: "Given two tank circuits, one using larger toriods than the other, which circuit stores more energy?" The answer is: "There is not enough information supplied to answer the question." A bigger form can store more energy before it saturates than a smaller toroid. As you change the dimensions of the toroid the inductance per turn changes as does the resistance per turn. The ratio of the inductive reactance to the resistance at the resonant frequency determines hat fraction of stored energy is lost each cycle, IE it determines the Q factor. The inductance and the peak current determine the peak stored energy.
Groundloop:
I usually find simple examples like that fun. There is a limitation or perhaps we can call it a flaw in the logic of your example. However, I would prefer to discuss that later.
Permit me to give you a very simple and related example. Just like in your example, we will assume everything is based on idealized components (zero wire resistance, etc.) I think my example will give you some insight into your example.
You have two coils in series, Coil A and Coil B. The "left side" of Coil A connects to the "right side" of Coil B to form a circuit. In other words, the current flows through Coil A, then through Coil B, and then back to Coil A. There is no magnetic coupling at all between Coil A and Coil B.
When you start the experiment there is a zero-ohm jumper across Coil B, effectively taking it out of the circuit. There is no current flowing through Coil B at the start of the experiment.
To start the experiment, by "magic" you have one ampere of current flowing through the circuit. So that means there is one amp flowing through Coil A, and Coil B is being bypassed because of the zero-ohm jumper.
Now since this is an idealized example, if you do not disturb the circuit, current will flow through Coil A forever.
So the question is, what happens when you remove the shorting jumper across Coil B so that it becomes part of the circuit?
(MarkE and other regulars who know please don't answer.)
MileHigh
Might be wrong but studying magneto restrictive materials along with basic understanding of why magnetism manifests IE organization of domains(which costs energy) plus the realization that what you are asking is actually impossible(" Let us assume we add that core material very fast and at no energy usage to do so") might help you come to a conclusion.
Mile,
I have a question for you, what happen to the stored energy in a not connected L/C tank circuit if you double
the core size after you have charged the tank circuit?
GL.
I will give you a simple answer. I will assume that the core is not saturated in all cases. I will assume that the dimensions of the coil do not change. The permeability of the core affects the inductance of the coil as "seen" by the coil. If you add more core material, then the permeability of the core will not really change, as "seen" by the coil.
So the simple answer is nothing changes.
If you think of the core as a "tank" to sore energy then think if this: You have a 5-liter tank that is filled with two liters of water. Now you change to a 10-liter tank, but it still is filled with two liters of water. Nothing has really changed.
The water represents the stored energy in the (coil + core) combination.
MileHigh
Mark,Inductance per turn goes down, stored energy goes down. Work was done "pulling" the extra core material into the Terminator Inductor.
It IS a very simple question, there is just one coil with a ferrite core and one capacitor in parallel with the coil.
First we connect an oscillator to the L/C tank circuit and store some energy into the tank circuit, then
we disconnect the oscillator. At the same time we increase the Ferrite core to double size and connect
the tank circuit to a load to measure the output. Will the output be higher or lower than the energy inputted
into the tank circuit when we increase the size of the ferrite core?
I do not think I can explain it simpler than this.
GL.
Inductance per turn goes down, stored energy goes down. Work was done "pulling" the extra core material into the Terminator Inductor.
Mile,
Thank you, that was a clear answer. There is one thing that will change and that is the resonant
frequency of the L/C circuit. If will go down when you add the core material.
Thanks,
GL.
Mark,
Thanks, so if we do the opposite, take away core material, then the stored energy will go up?
GL.
Changing the amount of core material by "magic" will not change the amount of stored magnetic energy. Energy does not materialize out of "nowhere."
Mile,
I agree 100%, energy can not be created out of nowhere. But here is some thoughts, if the amperage
flowing in the coil (tank circuit at resonance) has reached its maximum and all the energy is stored in
the magnetic field, and at that exact time we switch in more core material, then the inductance will go
up, and the current has not have any time to go down, then the total energy stored in the magnetic field
must go up, because that is what the math formulas is telling us. Energy stored in a magnetic field = 1/2*L*I*I.
So if the ampere is constant before the added core and after the added core, then the inductance L will be higher
and the stored magnetic energy will be higher. Am I wrong about this?
GL.
My understanding is that inductance is actualized by current. I do not believe that sort of transient phenomenon would be received by the current in the fashion of rise in W.
All,This garden path leads nowhere.
Now the next question.
Do we need to use any energy to switch a AC signal from L1 and to L3 by shorting the L2 coil?
(I know there will be some losses and the output will be lower than the input signal.)
GL.
This garden path leads nowhere.
Mark,GL you are building a house of cards on top of one impossible premise after another. There is no meaningful conclusion that can ultimately result.
Why do you think that? Back to the question, do we need to use any energy to switch the input to the output
by shorting the middle coil?
GL.
All,
Now the next question.
Do we need to use any energy to switch a AC signal from L1 and to L3 by shorting the L2 coil?
(I know there will be some losses and the output will be lower than the input signal.)
GL.
GL you are building a house of cards on top of one impossible premise after another. There is no meaningful conclusion that can ultimately result.
Closing the connection on the middle coil requires energy transfer to magnetize the right hand transformer.
Mark,Whatever scheme you are cooking up the energy required to operate the switches that change the system state is in the noise. It is the system states that matter, and each one of these operations is lossy. Devise any switching mechanism you like and you will find that the First and Second Laws of Energy will not be defeated.
>>Closing the connection on the middle coil requires energy transfer to magnetize the right hand transformer.
Agree 100% on your last sentence, but that was not the question. The question was, do you need to use any energy
(or actually very little energy) to short the middle coil to be able to transport energy from the input
to the output. Don't bother to answer. You can actually transfer AC or pulsed DC from the input
to the output by shorting the middle coil. So this setup is a on/off switch for that energy transfer based
on the status of the middle coil (shorted or not). And you do not need to spend any energy to switch the middle coil.
In real life you need to use an transistor or relay to switch the middle coil, so by using very little energy, you can switch
on and off a large energy from the input to the output. So I'm not building anything based on an impossible premise.
I'm basing my thought process on real life research that I have done on magnetic amplifier setup using
toroid cores and coils during the past two years.
GL.
if the amperage
flowing in the coil (tank circuit at resonance) has reached its maximum and all the energy is stored in
the magnetic field, and at that exact time we switch in more core material, then the inductance will go
up, and the current has not have any time to go down, then the total energy stored in the magnetic field
must go up, because that is what the math formulas is telling us. Energy stored in a magnetic field = 1/2*L*I*I.
So if the ampere is constant before the added core and after the added core, then the inductance L will be higher
and the stored magnetic energy will be higher. Am I wrong about this?
Due to financial issues we have to offer our QEG project parts for sale.
All parts are new and have not been assembled.
We have a Torelco Gen II core, rotor, Shaft, endplates, shrouds, bearings, unopened new certified Loctite 640 and hardener, 2 hp Leeson motor, Variac with Bridge,6- 240v 100w light bulb load board, Pulleys for rotor and motor, Exciter coil built with spark gap and mica variable capacitor, RF meter, 900 ft of 14 AWG wire. We are in the San Diego area. $5,500 If you are interested please send an email
to (email redacted)
Hey Joel! Here's your chance!So the Robbing Robitailles are willing to forgo their very own hold on perpetual energy for just $5500. Demand for their consulting services must not be very strong.
Free Energy, guaranteed by HopeGirl, only 5500 dollars US!
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/wanted-offered/620-qeg-parts-for-sale#2899
So the Robbing Robitailles are willing to forgo their very own hold on perpetual energy for just $5500. Demand for their consulting services must not be very strong.Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the Robitailles were selling out. This offer appears to be from a builder in San Diego who has "lost the faith" and found better uses for the money and time.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the Robitailles were selling out. This offer appears to be from a builder in San Diego who has "lost the faith" and found better uses for the money and time.Oh, it is only one of their victims who wants out.
Hey Joel! Here's your chance!
Free Energy, guaranteed by HopeGirl, only 5500 dollars US!
Hey Joel! I have an idea. This is a sincere offer. I'm not mucking about. Why not buy the QEG on offer in California and have it shipped to me in NJ. I'm actually only about 15 miles from where the core was wound. I'm a fully "vetted" electronic and electrical engineer. I'll get in up and running and ensure that the effort is truly open source (open kimono). I have most if not all the test equipment to get the job done, plus a full industrial workshop. I'm in the manufacturing business. I reckon with a bit of negotiation you could get these parts for quite a bit less then he is asking. Also I have a freight account so I'll pay for the shipping and any additional parts needed to get this thing up and running. What do you think?
$5500 US dollars is not a lot of money to me. What I want is the world to be poverty-freee, ignorance-freee, corruption-freee. But one cannot have it all but this movement is very very very eye opening.
Interesting that Joel has not taken me up on my offer. I guess he is all mouth and no action!
If your down I am totally willing to hunt these folks down and offer them a hand properly testing and analyzing their system. In my opinion they first need help breaking the delusion then a couple years of therapy to undo the damage.From what I deduce from their posting, they have not bothered to assemble the unit. I do not blame them. Its all a bit pointless really, but given the fact that there are zero public reports from any QEG build once they get to resonance, I'd like to at least get some hard data on the real performance of this beastie.
- Dave
Interesting that Joel has not taken me up on my offer. I guess he is all mouth and no action!Did you expect otherwise?
Hey Joel! I have an idea. This is a sincere offer. I'm not mucking about. Why not buy the QEG on offer in California and have it shipped to me in NJ. I'm actually only about 15 miles from where the core was wound. I'm a fully "vetted" electronic and electrical engineer. I'll get in up and running and ensure that the effort is truly open source (open kimono). I have most if not all the test equipment to get the job done, plus a full industrial workshop. I'm in the manufacturing business. I reckon with a bit of negotiation you could get these parts for quite a bit less then he is asking. Also I have a freight account so I'll pay for the shipping and any additional parts needed to get this thing up and running. What do you think?
If I even think about money as being part of “evolution” then I guess the efforts of people trying to help the poor will never help. Since the poor are needed so the GREEDY world can keep on revolving. BUTTTT when I hear the GREEDY believing that they can make SATURN an EARTH planet, then I have to worry. This means that they are mental to be honest. They have their GREEDY head up their ass so far up that they are forgetting how viruses work. Or how farmers work! This is life!Joel I really have idea what your are babbling on about. It seems to me that you are a total and utter fraud, all mouth and zero action. I made you a sincere offer. You buy the QEG parts and I'll build and test it with full public disclosure. You believe this device to be real, this is your chance to make a difference. Sadly, you have just revealed your true colors. You sir are a fallacious (look it up) blowhard. A misanthrope, nothing more. I would give chicken shirt more credence than your nonsensical ramblings. In fact when I look at my chickens poop tomorrow I'll be thinking of you.
The hunter always eats from the source. The prey always eats from the hunters shyt!!! lol
It's a crappy saying, but the hunter eats, shits, then hunts again. But there is a balance since they both are benefiting from the “source”.... when a hunter is like, I want to eat the earths and move to Saturn then move to Neptune then move to Sagittarius, then move to, I ask myself, who are these HUMANS that want to eat worlds? Hmmmm.
a) the rich?
b)the poor?
c)the religious?
d)the scientists?
How big headed do you have to be to say...well lets move to saturn since we are killing the earth?
Or, lets keep on chopping trees for ever baby?
You see people how my mind is wayyyyyyyyyyy thinking more than just this simple “self-loop” stuff. I already said that “self-loop” needs little energy AND THAT IS THERE WAS NO LITTLE INPUT THAN GREATER OUTPUT, everything would collapse! It is the same as walking, ask yourself you idiot how many energy does it take to walk? More energy to walk one step than the energy of the distance of one step? Then ask yourself where did the energy ever come from to even walk one step? ::)
It seems to me that you are a total and utter fraud, all mouth and zero action. I made you a sincere offer. You buy the QEG parts and I'll build and test it with full public disclosure. You believe this device to be real, this is your chance to make a difference. Sadly, you have just revealed your true colors. You sir are a fallacious (look it up) blowhard. A misanthrope, nothing more. I would give chicken shirt more credence than your nonsensical ramblings. In fact when I look at my chickens poop tomorrow I'll be thinking of you.
Please read some science books before posting. This is really getting old now. If your purpose of posting is to convince everyone that you know nothing about science or physics, then, you are doing a great job.
I'm a dinosaur named t-rex that never has read a science book :P
We know. But, thanks for telling us any way.
hear me roaaarr *flaps his little t-rex arms*
Roar? I'm sorry, I just thought you farted. I figured it was just another brain fart. We are getting used to that.
Heyy!!! farting is healthy. Never in your life hold a fart in! Do you want the people not to fart?The littering of forum is not healthy and may be actioned against...
I've been on keshe foundation website. Is the Keshe plasma reactor a free energy generator, as the QEG?says it all.
The littering of forum is not healthy and may be actioned against...
The littering of forum is not healthy and may be actioned against...
Joel, I was actually having a little fun with a vaccine promoting real life troll that I outed over on the Vaccination thread.
I should have realized you would take things the wrong way because of all the ridicule you have been receiving.
And I am a believer that all we have to do is tune in to the energy field that surrounds us.
Take note of the bozo who posted above who has paired us off and judged us to be bores.
You and I agree on many points joel.
I am someone who listens to and watches everything...sooner things start to form a concept.
And until I come across evidence to the contrary, it appears the the world is run by murderous satan worshiping pedophiles.
You and I agree on many points joel.
Regards...
I am someone who listens to and watches everything...sooner things start to form a concept.
And until I come across evidence to the contrary, it appears the the world is run by murderous satan worshiping pedophiles.
Regards...
I can only guess the trolls who's arses he kisses didn't take him asise and advise him that grammar critic's are widely considered the biggest dooshes on the web.
I just thot It'd be kinda funny to just let him be a doosh if he wanted to.
Was that all he was on about ?
Regards...
*doobie nite reminder*
Hmmmm, he didn't go for the low hanging "typo"this time...and I put it in early before he started to fog up too.
Either he's not as incoherent as his posts indicate...or maybe he was somehow able to sense that his brand of dooshiness wasn't exactly perceived as a respectable endeavor.
Regards...
Buffffooooooon
Hey pirate88179 arr arr!
You seem like a smart person and can probably crunch some Einstein numbers, but, in all honesty, I'm tired of the ALPHA males taking advantage of the buffoon scientists.
Time and time again I see this mentality!
A scientists inventor shows the world that engines can be run by water. It gets shut down as a fraud when no oil is involved. Now the USA navy will implement that technology recently and will run their ships and air planes from water in the up coming future. So hat basically says that engines can be run by water....i won't provide a link but google is your friend.....100% facts.
Then I hear about so many other things that have little input with greater output! Then I'm just in this topic about a QEG, being judged as a fraud like all of the rest will be and you will feel like a superman that you have done your deed! You are just here trying to prevent people from supporting the frauds! Thank you!
But then when I look at my crystal ball based on the judgment from the past and judging how the universe works with our monkey brains, we can gather that QEGs do work.
ok...lets say 100% with out a doubt that even if 2000 scientists tackled this QEG, it will never work. Can you 100% say why it will never work or are you judging this QEG by your personal experiences?
What is your definition of overunity?
More output than input. It would be a 2nd law violation. Not to say that I do not believe in free energy, I do. I light my apt. utilizing free energy. But, I know where the energy comes from and it has less output than in...but still free. Like your Hoover dam example, or solar, or wind...free energy but not overunity.
I know where the energy comes from and it has less output than in
Trust me, I am all about obtaining all of the free energy I can get. Overunity is really not a very good term in my opinion. Maybe free energy isn't either...rather, free to me energy might be better. This should not include stealing energy, that would be different. I am talking about solar, wind, JT circuits, Water wheels, etc. It is very hard to nail down some definitions of overunity here on this site. I have tried and it usually ends in arguments.
So, I stick with free energy or, free to me energy.
OK, thanks. Do you know if the person whom stated the second law a GOD? As if, since it was stated it can't never be “broken”?
Uh, Pirate88179, LoT2 has been experimentally broken/violated. (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBp_SPJAOJc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBp_SPJAOJc)).
After all, it is an statistical law.
Pirate88179 arr arr!
The whole purpose of the FREEE energy is to benefit ALL. That's is my mind energy too.
For some reason, when you go against someone, you should know their truth. Which should make you smarter than them. But then I ask myself, can you even repair a dishwasher?
Please answer me with step by step how to repair a dishwasher from a 360* angle way of looking at every dishwasher problem.
It is pretty simple that laws change....if you look at history 100% facts. So it is kind of ignorant to believe that laws will never change!!!!
All laws have 10% of the truth and 90% of wiggle room. This is essential to “evolve”. I already mentioned that none can survive that long being 90% happy. Or making 90% money all of the time. That's will violate the laws of life! You actually don't have to be that smart to understand death!
Dishwashers are fairly well built and dependable these days.
Most of the problems I have seen is a clogged water inlet valve, which is easily repaired by cleaning.
I did repair one where the motor cooling fan blade had come loose from the shaft where the weld had broken.
It was easily repaired with some JB weld and is still working fine 4 years later.
I am not sure what this has to do with overunity though.
I had a dishwasher break down...i fixed it.
Several friends asked me to fix theirs...I did...end of story.
You are the one that claimed I could not even fix a dishwasher so, I gave evidence to the contrary. I am sorry that you could not handle it.
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Bill
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LOL. I just tried to view some of the QEG video series. Got prompted with a name and password box. Based on the description, those should be the same videos that have been on youtube. Tried clicking on the download link. BAM! Show me your Name and Password papers. TK is going to die laughing over this. My bad. Those areThe world balance of power cannot be allowed to shift if some rival cult gets their hands on the secret humming frequency needed to achieve insolence.
"Premium" download links ;D
Yes.
I'm an idiot
Yes.
Yes.
Hey, the SMF software shows me that there was a post by Crap-Z-ro but that I am ignoring this user.
Isn't software great?
Ignore is a wonderful invention.
Now I can only see that he has posted, and not what he has posted.....ahhhhh.
Very nice indeed.
Bill
Just for in case somebody still want to discuss the QEG...
I think a lot of people think it is a flux path switcher. But as far as I see, that is a mistake. It is more likely oscillation exitation by means of parametric inductance change. And therefor it is wrong to use a steel rotor: while the variable inductor as a conductor periodicly lowers the main inductance (which is the goal), the iron that it is made of increases the inductance, resulting in a low total modulation depth. This was also mentioned in that russian 1934 paper.
They should try an Alu or Copper rotor.
BR
Just for in case somebody still want to discuss the QEG...The Robitailles came. They claimed they ahd a working free energy technology that they wished to share with the world. They collected money from people who believed or at least hoped that their lies were true. The Robitailles and their lies have now mostly faded away.
I think a lot of people think it is a flux path switcher. But as far as I see, that is a mistake. It is more likely oscillation exitation by means of parametric inductance change. And therefor it is wrong to use a steel rotor: while the variable inductor as a conductor periodicly lowers the main inductance (which is the goal), the iron that it is made of increases the inductance, resulting in a low total modulation depth. This was also mentioned in that russian 1934 paper.
They should try an Alu or Copper rotor.
BR
They faced a strong opposition from beginning on, they were called a scam at a time when nobody had any proof.As well they should, because: Wait for it ... They were running a scam. They made outrageous claims for which they had no supporting evidence, including that they had a working overunity machine.
The initial support failed when people the Robitailles duped found out that contrary to the Robitailles' false claims, these machines don't produce free energy, and are in fact very inefficient.
The initial support from other QEG replicaters soon vanished after the aggressive propaganda of people like marke, tk, mh. Sure the replications could only be as efficient as the original. And when they didn't reach OU instantly, they left the sinking ship.
One can drink any flavor of tainted Kool-Aid(r) that they want and it doesn't change reality one bit. The Robitailles claimed they had a working free energy machine from the get go. They did not. What is the appropriate label to apply to one who: Tells a story that they know to be false for the purpose of extracting money from people who believe that false story? I offer a hint: It is five letters, begins with the letter "F" and ends with the letter "D".
But for Robespierre it may have been looking very promising. Imagine a dc motor. What does it consume, maybe couple of hundred watt. Then he saw the energy burst at selfoscillation frequency and 4 x 100 watt bulbs lighting up. Knowing such papers as the mentioned russian document, written by highly educted and established scientists at a time when Hysteresis losses, Lenz and Lorentz were already well understood, speaking of "the change of inductance can be obtained obviously with no effort" cetrainly can make one enthusiastic.
And people may believe that Santa Claus is coming to town. The Robitailles' never once said: "Oops, we were wrong. We never tested correctly. We have no idea if we can make this machine work the way we claimed."
So Robespierre may have promised too much to hopegirl and her mother. Hopegirl believed it all and run the crowdfunding side, which is ok for me, unlike taxes for all the shit the authorities force us to eat on a daily base.
Oh dear, do you still believe the Robitailles' demonstrated false stories?
Those people round here who buried the QEG alive may not only be wrong, but in fact they spray the venom that kills any progress, very much for the sake of the energy industrial complex.
What is that supposed to mean?
How many oscilloscopes and measuring equipment needs a guy like TK to run an LED from his rooms electrosmog? Well, power the world with that.
And what evidence do you rely upon for that belief? The highest power conversion efficiency tha they ever demonstrated was down around 35%. By what mechanism do you expect anyone could improve that to the point that it becomes over unity?
In my opinion the qeg still has potential, and (in not understanding the following the notorious naysayers express the poor level of their existence) in a metaphysical way our beliefs have a great impact on the future. This I do not only believe, but I know it by experience.
BR
As I know the mood and often lack of competence of you guys, I even do not read your defences.Well Dieter in determining reliability of someone's judgement on a subject perhaps you should consider their track record on that topic. How have QEG's detractors done compared to QEG's believers?
Like I said, I would really like to discuss further development of excitation by forced parametric inductance fluctuation, or also capacity fluctuation.
For instance, Woopy who reported very good output shortly before the desintegration of his setup due to mechanical stress at 3600 rpm. Laurent, are you still around?
BR
Like I said, I would really like to discuss further development of excitation by forced parametric inductance fluctuation, or also capacity fluctuation.
BR
Ha ha an online course. They won't get more than five people! That's just more arm-flailing in yet another attempt to create a revenue stream. I call it creative begging.I call it astounding. What new information could the _failure_ of James Robitaille to achieve what they promised and claimed, well over a year ago, possibly "teach" anyone about the QEG?
markdansie, so you think it is not possible to obtain selfoscillation by means of periodic change of inductance or capacitance. So you basicly say this 1934 experiment and the document, that you have read, are made up?
Do you have any technical background at all? Don't answer these metaphoricly meant questions, I won't read it.
BR
He certainly contributed more to the community than all the NNs (notorious naysayers) together.Unlikely. Nobody in any OU community anywhere has contributed anything about their field to the body of scientific work ever.
So what are you doing on this forum then?
So what are you doing on this forum then?This is pretty well documented. At one time I would follow some of the postings of Philip Hardcastle who turned out to be something of an enormous fraud...and even more enormous asshole.
Unlikely. Nobody in any OU community anywhere has contributed anything about their field to the body of scientific work ever.
Why? Because the only thing an OU cheerleader can contribute is that OU is clearly and unambiguously real. Every other outcome can be summed up as:
i) You thought it was real but you were mistaken.
ii) You realize it isn't real.
Both of these are already well documented.
Well, it worked overunity until I took it apart, and now it no longer works.The most common one for me is "it works in this small scale, so all I need is money to make a big one".
My breakthrough was so advanced, that the MIB came to my house and threatened me, so , I took it apart.
I only need another $100,000 dollars to get it working again.
I don't have a working model, but I can sell you the plans for one for $25,000.
Whether or not the QEG has or will ever achieve overunity is one issue, but the fact that this forum is dominated by Anti-Free-Energy Activists who use cheap tricks like slander, embarassing, insulting etc. people in order to discourage us is an entirely separate issue. I have to ask myself why Stefan is tolerating such activities and shady motives.
However, discussing with said Activists is a waste of time, therefor I can only repeat to strongly ! suggest to make broad use of the ignore list.
BR
Whether or not the QEG has or will ever achieve overunity is one issue, but the fact that this forum is dominated by Anti-Free-Energy Activists who use cheap tricks like slander, embarassing, insulting etc. people in order to discourage us is an entirely separate issue. I have to ask myself why Stefan is tolerating such activities and shady motives.
However, discussing with said Activists is a waste of time, therefor I can only repeat to strongly ! suggest to make broad use of the ignore list.
BR
the fact that this forum is dominated by Anti-Free-Energy ActivistsI generally think that free-energy people are deluded people who can't do math. That hardly makes me anything close to an activist.
However, discussing with said Activists is a waste of time, therefor I can only repeat to strongly ! suggest to make broad use of the ignore list.Yes because actually dealing with ideas contrary to your own is HARD. Instead surround yourself with people who will only tell you that you're "almost there". :)
I don't consider myself that smartDon't worry. Nobody does. :)
Whether or not the QEG has or will ever achieve overunity is one issue, but the fact that this forum is dominated by Anti-Free-Energy Activists who use cheap tricks like slander, embarassing, insulting etc. people in order to discourage us is an entirely separate issue. I have to ask myself why Stefan is tolerating such activities and shady motives.Do you not find it relevant that the Robitailles, in particular: Hope you will give me money Girl lied from the outset? Do you not find it relevant that they never had any reliable basis on which to believe the stories they told in order to collect money? If you seriously hope that someone can come up with a free energy device, then you should be incensed that charlatans like the Robitailles play on such hopes to commit fraud.
However, discussing with said Activists is a waste of time, therefor I can only repeat to strongly ! suggest to make broad use of the ignore list.
BR
to Dieter
In a way your right,too many people being hyper critical,too many hard line skeptics.
You do need a mix of skeptics and believers,if you have too many believers then
you get fairy dust and magic,
too many hard line skeptics and you destroy all creativity.
Right now a thinning of the herd is needed(hard line skeptics),Stefan
needs to ban some hard line skeptics.If I don't like what someone
says I seemly ignore it,when a roving mad dog skeptic comes into a conversation,where
he wasn't addressed ,pushing hes belief that a device is fake on me,yet can't show that it
is fake, by any way ,forcing there beliefs on me,then its time for Stefan to thin the herd.
I suggest starting a new post on which hard-line skeptics,Stefan should ban and why and vote on who should go,
then present it to Stefan.I suggest leaving one hard-line skeptic,my suggestion is leaving milehigh out of the list to ban.
but banning the others.They will of course be back,but they will get the point,if not the process can be repeated.
There are a lot of moderate skeptics in here I have no problem with them
to Dieter
In a way your right,too many people being hyper critical,too many hard line skeptics.
You do need a mix of skeptics and believers,if you have too many believers then
you get fairy dust and magic,
too many hard line skeptics and you destroy all creativity.
Right now a thinning of the herd is needed(hard line skeptics),Stefan
needs to ban some hard line skeptics.If I don't like what someone
says I seemly ignore it,when a roving mad dog skeptic comes into a conversation,where
he wasn't addressed ,pushing hes belief that a device is fake on me,yet can't show that it
is fake, by any way ,forcing there beliefs on me,then its time for Stefan to thin the herd.
I suggest starting a new post on which hard-line skeptics,Stefan should ban and why and vote on who should go,
then present it to Stefan.I suggest leaving one hard-line skeptic,my suggestion is leaving milehigh out of the list to ban.
but banning the others.They will of course be back,but they will get the point,if not the process can be repeated.
There are a lot of moderate skeptics in here I have no problem with them
Hi dieter ,thanks for sharing.
To answer your question, at the end of the day, when all is said and done, they can't stay away because of fear.
Love never says the ends justify the means, only fear does that, in all its manifestations.
And the rest are just effects or the nuts and bolts.
If one does not grasp what i just said, then it is pointless discussing further, as explaining by the effects, will literally go over ones head.
Meaning, if one is polarized by fear, unconditional loving ways of living will not compute.
Some may know of Einstein, he said something like, the same thinking that caused a problem, cannot the solve the problem.
It really is a matter of one or the masses consciousness state, or some call spirituality.
It's a process to change embedded ways, similar to a freight train, takes time to slow, stop and then go in another direction, especially if people and groups are actively, with all their might, trying to keep that train from slowing and reversing.
peace love light and much wisdom on our journeys
to DieterSo what is a moderate skeptic? Someone who only thinks evidence and reason should drive decisions...sometimes? Which times?
There are a lot of moderate skeptics in here I have no problem with them
Holly cow, we have a pirate that is bitter because his “over unity” machine did no work. Then we have sarkeinzen whom cannot probably be qualified to be a doctor. Who else, well milehigh who is the dictator of this forum!
My god, who else needs to be added to the list of confused scientists wannabes?
Yes your ideas failed mainly mostly because your brain fails on you!
Banning people that do not agree with you is not the way to go.
We need open discussion without the FU.
If anything we should stop the tongue-n-cheek kindness that is really meant as a FU also.
...it's in everyone's interest to keep the discussion honest and educational.
the door is wide open for paid disinfo agents
...the average researcher and builder around here struggles to display even a high school level of competency in the sciences.
People post things like "Please help me I have never wired up a transistor in my life"...
...and you think the government is watching and actively suppressing what is going on?
It's all just in your head.
It's all just in your head.No kidding.
Sarc
I think you should take a few weeks off ,your tooo tightly wound
gonna pull a brain muscle or something.
A holiday!!
go ahead Pull yourself outa the gutter ,you deserve much better.
send us a postcard.
I think you should take a few weeks off ,your tooo tightly woundActually it's pretty relaxing posting here. :)
The only solution is for Stefan to appoint moderators with full authority to place offenders on read only status.
Once the moderator comes in to moderate, then I'm 100% sure there will be BIAS involve or FAVORITISM!There are plenty of forums with light moderation. I'd be the absolutely perfect moderator here. :)
There are plenty of forums with light moderation. I'd be the absolutely perfect moderator here.
Can you imagine who is qualified to be a moderator?
*Crap-Z-ro* You are ignoring this user.
Priceless.
Bill
You just want to moderate me with your bias mushy brain matter!!!joel321 - If I didn't want to talk to you I'd put you on ignore. It's very easy. :)
Indeed!
For me it is rather clear why certain naysayers are so active in this forum since many years, despite the repeated begging of many of us to move on an get out of here.Evidence???
Somebody who continously makes fun of "fools who believe in overunity" has chosen to spend remarkably long time in a forum named Overunity.
These individuals seem to be paid and they need that money, so they can't "quit".
Again: Evidence??? Can you cite even a single case where "such an individual" has been shown to infiltrate a "strategic position"? That would be quite remarkable.
Banning won't keep them away, they got too much chutzge... Moderation is dangerous since such individuals are experts in infiltration of strategic positions...
The only topic I am aware of that has included pedophilia is the one covering Sterling Allan's confessions/not confessions to pedophilia and him expecting arrest at any time. Are you suggesting that pedophilia is a common behavior among "prefered agents"? What are these people "prefered agents" of? Do you mean proponents of free energy are frequently pedophiles vulnerable to blackmail? That too would be extraordinary were it true. How many cases of pedophile blackmail by the nwo can you document?
Interesting how certain subjects suddently became very silent when the topic was pedophilia... a correlation that would not surprise me, as prefered agents are often subject of blackmails by the nwo hierarchy.
Anyway, I most likely will discuss my projects no longer in public, but use PMs and a list of trusted and interested people instead.
BR
These individuals seem to be paid and they need that money, so they can't "quit".So you are absolutely sure that say someone like me. Actually gets a check(or perhaps shadow organizations use direct deposit these days) when I post here. Real. Cash. Money. Absolutely serious. I mean if that's your assertion please just say "yes" but I suspect this is more a disparaging comment than an actual accusation.
Anyway, I most likely will discuss my projects no longer in public, but use PMs and a list of trusted and interested people instead.
BR
Evidence???Again: Evidence??? Can you cite even a single case where "such an individual" has been shown to infiltrate a "strategic position"? That would be quite remarkable. The only topic I am aware of that has included pedophilia is the one covering Sterling Allan's confessions/not confessions to pedophilia and him expecting arrest at any time. Are you suggesting that pedophilia is a common behavior among "prefered agents"? What are these people "prefered agents" of? Do you mean proponents of free energy are frequently pedophiles vulnerable to blackmail? That too would be extraordinary were it true. How many cases of pedophile blackmail by the nwo can you document?
What the hell are you talking about now? I have never attempted, nor have I ever once claimed to having attempted, to build, or have built, an Overunity device. Never. That is never as in not even once.
Please provide me with any evidence that you may claim to have to support your false allegations. You can't and we both know why.
Since I have never attempted to build such a device, logic would dictate therefore that I could not possibly have failed at it. Everyone here that has been around for any amount of time knows that what I am saying is true.
They also know that your claim is false, baseless and made up.
So, to sum up, your sad attempt to point out made up failures of mine that never happened, is in itself a total failure. Ironic isn't it?
Bill
You never responded to this so I take it to mean that yes, you did just make this up, and no, you have no proof that what you claimed was true.
Thank you for this acknowledgement.
you will always be 100% correct 100% of the time!I think we all know who says they are "100% correct" the most around here and it's not pirate. :)
I think we all know who says they are "100% correct" the most around here and it's not pirate
Yeah I make things up because I make more money that way! Lol, I'm not even trying to waste any more energy on you sir. You seem to have learned that you are a hunter here just seeking for attention only to believe you will always be 100% correct 100% of the time! That's not how “evolution” works! And I'm 100% sure you are not even 50% correct most of the time attention seeker! lolNo there are no such plans. The US Navy is working on plans to take energy from nuclear reactors and apply that energy to water and air as feed stocks to produce liquid fuels. All the energy and a lot of waste energy will all come from the nuclear fuel.
Is not the USA army going to power their navy with water and their planes too in the years to come? They told that to the public a few months age you Dumbo! lol
Ohh but you want me to speak about your electronic skills? lol
Do you always defend Pirate88179 even if you don't make sense?No I only defend people when it makes sense. You claimed that someone couldn't accept that they were wrong and I just pointed out that you say "100%" a lot. More than anyone I've ever met.
Sarkeizen, has he helped you to understand anything at all? Please speak the truth!He reminded me that this board has an ignore function. That was very helpful. :)
Why do you feel the need to "defend" him?I'm not really defending him as much as I'm admonishing you. :)
Regarding to Springmeier, the fuckups of the MK usually are turned into Stalkers.Because you have enough information about MK to make a detailed analysis as to it's outcomes. :)
I also just read a blog about a company "Terawatt", in the field of overunity devices, with a former cia director in the executive office. strange, isn't it?Only I suppose if you believe in OU and conspiracies to suppress it. To the rational folks who have worked in a start up or two. It's entirely SOP to staff them with people you know personally or through work. Check. The fact that it might claim to be an OU company just shows that CIA, FBI people are stupid enough to buy in. If we learned anything from MKUltra is that the CIA isn't exactly very bright.
We admit we thought we would have had the answer by now and may in fact have it. Will know more after the analysis of specific additional winding/coil tests performed in Florida.
I don't know if Val's January 2015 update from Morocco on the Be-Do forum was linked to already:
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/627-qeg-update-from-qeg-mom (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/627-qeg-update-from-qeg-mom)
Of course what's stated in the update is in complete contradiction from their own documents on Be-Do, but I have lost the desire to show the glaring lies and deception.
Posted on January 5th, and it is averaging about 15 whole views per day. No Be-Doer zombies have bothered to comment.
Yeah sure. The brainiacs in Florida would fail the "single-component circuit analysis test" with flying colours. Can you imagine them doing winding/coil tests?
I thought they said they already had overunity with the machine built in PA? Where is that machine I wonder?
Bill
I have "1000%" more respect for Bill than I do for Joel.
Magic sea water is turning into fuel! Oops!... I guess that he didn't have enough BRAINS to actually READ the article.
Look at that cantaloupe! It's a QEG! Can't you SEEEE? I went to the beach and looked at all the rocks. The rocks are QEGs! Can't you SEEEE? Are you blind or something? Rocks are FREEE!!!
After about nine months the QEG is totally dead, it's become a farce. There is not a single person or group on planet Earth that can make a credible statement that their QEG has "gone beyond the dimensions of a doorstop" and yet a new guy shows up to convince us that it's all FREEE. What follows is a huge series of nonsensical postings that convince nobody of anything.
Bill has my respect.
I'll 100% sure you believe the sun is not a QEG and there is a guy always supplying it with tree trucks to keep it burning. lol
Well how does that saying goes, “you are what you eat!” lol
You are only speaking about IGNORANSE and basking on the attention you get from your EGO!
Well I have debated with bill and he is not that smart regarding my scientific studies! Scientifically, “you are what you eat” or “who you hang around with”. 8)
I noticed that good old Allegedly Dave has the comments open on one of his YouTube QEG clips. All of the others have the comments disabled so it came as a pleasant surprise.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXA2EMInHJg
Just for the hell of it I dropped him a note:
So Dave, here we are in January 2015. Is it finally dawning on you what a retarded nonsensical mess this is? Can you face the fact that Naima LIED when she said that all you have to do is download the plans and build it and it will start powering itself? The whole thing was a con from the very beginning to solicit money from that segment of people that want to believe no matter what. The rounds of begging are still going on. The big cheers when the QEG finally allowed the mains power to pass through it's LC resonator in order to power a few light bulbs at around 30% efficiency look pretty stupid now, don't they? Have you ever seen any serious power-in vs. power-out measurements done by a replication team? Where is the bloody promised UK report? This criminal sham is simply disgusting. The Be-Do forum is nothing more than a totalitarian ghost town now where nobody has anything to say. The initial ridiculous grandiose claims vs. the reality one year later = LIES. James is no "engineer" he couldn't even decipher his own waveforms. Seeing him climb up a ladder to "tap into" a "7 MHz signal that would be the 'key' to over unity" is nothing more than a black comedy sketch that you might see in the movie Dr. Strangelove. The whole thing is DEAD and $200,000 USD has been poured down the drain so that Naima and her accomplices could run around the world and babble meaningless nonsense to gullible people. I am disgusted.
As far as the atomic world goes, there is no connection to the QEG. None! !Nada!Quantum Energy Generator has NOTHING to do with a QEG!....or “atamic worlds”...ok.
Why does an electron spin around a nucleus forever? Instead of just blindly making a false connection with the QEG, you can look it up and learn for yourself. You have electrical attraction between the positively charged nucleus and the negatively charged spinning electrons. There is even a small amount of gravitational attraction. When you are at the scale of an atom, it's looks like a solar system again. It's like the nucleus is like a sun that is millions of miles away and the electron is orbiting in empty space. There is also the business of wave-particle duality, and that is part of why the s, p, d, f electron shells exist. There is even a Walter Lewin MIT lecture on YouTube where he discusses the example of the hydrogen atom and he calculates the angular velocity of the electron.
So instead of saying, "Doh! The planets and electrons spin forever and that's just like a QEG, so that means the QEG might work for FREEE!" - look it up and learn this stuff about planets and electrons yourself if you want to - it has nothing to do with a QEG. Right now it would appear to me you are bathing in IGNORANCE.
There is no way you can say that QEGS don't work
There is no way you can say that QEGS don't workOnly in the same sense you can't say I don't have an invisible, ethereal dragon in my garage.
However we can talk about someone more useful. When a hypothesis has an EXPECTATION something which is a statistical consequence of the hypothesis being true. We can say that when we don't see QEG then it must reduce our confidence in the QEG.
you can say what ever you want! Even feel that you understand the whole universe.That's exactly what hypothesis testing is, and which is why if a hypothesis has an expectation you need to think the hypothesis is somewhat wrong if expectation is not observed. We expect to see a QEG when someone who is experienced and an expert says "It will be done tomorrow". When we don't see the QEG tomorrow we must say our hypothesis is somewhat wrong. Either the QEG is impossible or the person who said does not have sufficient expertise to make that prediction. :)
But lets do some SCIENTIFIC observations!
For some reason i have a feeling you will not answer all of my questions (not even 1%) because you don't know the answers to them and not even be close to answering YOUR REALITY...go ahead, let me see! :)...I'm doing mental SCIENCE!Again I think I need troll->English translation here. Sure I'm not going to bother with answering your questions about things that don't have to do with hypothesis testing and I fully admit I don't know how completely I could answer them. It's interesting though that clearly these are things you feel competent in and apparently use to make yourself feel better about being ignorant in just about everything else you talk about. :)
You thought the "promoting" was over right?Way back when the Steorn free energy scam was running they managed toget a technician on camera saying something like: "I can smell the free energy."
https://newearthparadigm.wordpress.com/2015/02/07/a-vision-for-free-energy/
I particularly like one of the post saying their intuition is telling them.... Because we all know machines and devices ignore design and bend to the will of random people at great distances simply because they have a gut feeling.
Are you sure it was really her?
I think 2105 is going to be a very bad year for Fleece the World.
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and my electronics background, I could see that the rest of it was pretty simple...
Did you know that HypeGirl has been actively trying to get my YT videos taken down and my account closed? Yep, that's right, she posted some comments under a few of the QEG-exposing vids claiming that I was violating YT Community Guidelines, promoting hatred and so on and that she had reported me to YT trying to get my videos removed and even my account closed. Blah blah blah. Of course none of my videos do what she accused, the Community Guidelines are very clear about what is not allowed and my videos do not infringe at all. She's trying anything she can think of to have the Truth about her and her scams suppressed and removed from public view. Of course nothing has come of that, the moderators at YT are smarter than she thinks they are.She is a scam artist. AFAICT her scam has been waning. She is fading from the seen as Rosemary Ainslie has.
I'm sorry I didn't save the text of her silly comment, and it disappeared when I blocked her new alias. She tried to have the video taken down where I posted screen images of her various fundraising campaigns and added up the totals, and the one where I simply excerpted a few minutes of Jamie's interview with Sterling where Jamie admits that they have no selfrunner and that the "10kW" claim was from "measurements" done in the usual manner just like those from Morocco. LOL... violations of Community Guidelines! Can you imagine that? The poor woman is delusional, vindictive, and stupid as a frog, in addition to her other fine qualities.
Did you know that HypeGirl has been actively trying to get my YT videos taken down and my account closed? Yep, that's right, she posted some comments under a few of the QEG-exposing vids claiming that I was violating YT Community Guidelines, promoting hatred and so on and that she had reported me to YT trying to get my videos removed and even my account closed. Blah blah blah. Of course none of my videos do what she accused, the Community Guidelines are very clear about what is not allowed and my videos do not infringe at all. She's trying anything she can think of to have the Truth about her and her scams suppressed and removed from public view. Of course nothing has come of that, the moderators at YT are smarter than she thinks they are.
I'm sorry I didn't save the text of her silly comment, and it disappeared when I blocked her new alias. She tried to have the video taken down where I posted screen images of her various fundraising campaigns and added up the totals, and the one where I simply excerpted a few minutes of Jamie's interview with Sterling where Jamie admits that they have no selfrunner and that the "10kW" claim was from "measurements" done in the usual manner just like those from Morocco. LOL... violations of Community Guidelines! Can you imagine that? The poor woman is delusional, vindictive, and stupid as a frog, in addition to her other fine qualities.
Did you know that HypeGirl has been actively trying to get my YT videos taken down and my account closed?...
This might be an interesting nearly brand spanking new one-hour clip: (if you are willing to do the work)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97lj-uTTwYo
Brand spanking new. Spanking new.
"QEG Family Speaks on the QEG in 2015. The Peoples Free Energy Show Episode 6."
You can even see the whole thing without having to pay! Yippee!
Working QEG video showing additional coil analyzed in the show:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU
You have not seen the 1/2 of it.
Fresh new release Matrix style: https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/02/12/present-stage-of-qeg-development-latest-findings-and-call-for-experiments/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/02/12/present-stage-of-qeg-development-latest-findings-and-call-for-experiments/)
Its literally painful watching Jamie pile on to the ever growing dung heap of BEE ESS. Its the next big experiment!! Like we have not heard that one before. Or did any of you FTW worshipers somehow forget that Hopegirl uses this same marketing gimmick over and over and over.
Take not of a special related link from above. ITS THE SAME OLD WITTS VIDEO THAT HAS BEEN FLOATING AROUND FOR YEARS!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU)
This might be an interesting nearly brand spanking new one-hour clip: (if you are willing to do the work)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97lj-uTTwYo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97lj-uTTwYo)
Brand spanking new. Spanking new.
"QEG Family Speaks on the QEG in 2015. The Peoples Free Energy Show Episode 6."
You can even see the whole thing without having to pay! Yippee!
Yes, you don't have to pay...but...no comments allowed. Always a good thing for free, open source energy research.I watched the whole thing. There was a narrative at the end where some nut seemed to be suggesting people should be preparing themselves to engage in an armed insurrection. About 40 minutes in they made their pitch for donations.
Bill
PS Is it me? Or has she put on even more weight? I could only last for the first 10 minutes of the video...I could not take any more.
PPS I see she has even closed comments on her blog. Nice to see a free exchange of ideas and comments...oh wait....
Yes, you don't have to pay...but...no comments allowed. Always a good thing for free, open source energy research.That is called open source: Suckers open their wallets, and it sources her supper.
Bill
PS Is it me? Or has she put on even more weight? I could only last for the first 10 minutes of the video...I could not take any more.
PPS I see she has even closed comments on her blog. Nice to see a free exchange of ideas and comments...oh wait....
I watched the whole thing. There was a narrative at the end where some nut seemed to be suggesting people should be preparing themselves to engage in an armed insurrection. About 40 minutes in they made their pitch for donations.
You watched the whole thing? You poor bastard! Thank you for sacrificing yourself for the good of others. That was a very self-less act on your part and I, for one, really appreciate that.The narrative at the end was very disjoint. The speaker kept talking about some "freedom movement" and that its members needed to "prepare for the worst", and how nonviolece would not work. Maybe the plan is to beat the QEG into submission.
Bill
PS Armed insurrections are always called for when scientific laws and common sense stop your flow of income. In other words...the last resort.
Some more links:They claim that they are 80% efficient now. If they got that far then they've gone from having a deplorable transformer to a mediocre one. In the meantime there are two new levels of resonance they say they need to achieve: a piezoelectric one, and then the magic one that is supposed to actually pull energy out of the environment. They want others to chase those rainbows.
Big new tech blurb on Be-Do including new pdf schematics:
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/640-present-stage-of-qeg-development-latest-findings-call-for-experiments
The video talks about the new goal post position and their random ideas on how they will supposedly eventually do what they claimed they had done a year and a half ago.
Related non-YouTube video clip with tech discussion with Jamie, Tivom Rivers, and Naima:
http://fixtheworld.podbean.com/e/episode-7-qeg-synopsis-latest-findings-call-for-experiments/?token=a7067a7fc890db09fccbded530659e86
We used a 20MHz signal/function generator to drive the audio amp with a 50% duty cycle square wave signal, between about 47Hz and 2,000Hz (2kHz). We then connected the scope across the primary windings (also wired in series) and observed the core’s response to the input signals.
That's just a 'smoking gun' moment or call it another brick in the wall.
You don't scan for resonance with a square wave. It's a major faux pas.
I don't think I have the energy to discuss their big tech discussion. In a nutshell they are still talking about the three resonances and adding some more coils on top of the existing coils. That's all a road to nowhere.The high harmonic content of a square wave is a disadvantage, but it is not a show stopper.
Just one I want to discuss:
In the Be-Do posting they talk about trying to find the mechanical resonance of the core and they state this:
<<<
A 600 Watt automotive audio power amplifier (with 12VDC switching power supply) was employed this time, to drive the low impedance (approx. 1.5Ω) secondaries, wired in series. We used a 20MHz signal/function generator to drive the audio amp with a 50% duty cycle square wave signal, between about 47Hz and 2,000Hz (2kHz). We then connected the scope across the primary windings (also wired in series) and observed the core’s response to the input signals. The output level from the signal generator was set to about 18V, just below clipping of the signal, and the rotor was held stationary, in alignment with 2 of the pole pieces (for maximum inductance) – See schematic here:
>>>
That's just a 'smoking gun' moment or call it another brick in the wall.
I am not even going to discuss if their approach to the test itself makes sense but I am not feeling it. You don't scan for resonance with a square wave. It's a major faux pas. It's like really _really_ bad to state that. That shows that Jamie and Tivon don't know what they are doing. So it's still just as depressing as usual.
The high harmonic content of a square wave is a disadvantage, but it is not a show stopper.
Hope he's got his safety goggles on...else he's gonna get MH's jizz in his eye...he's dangerously close and pumping vigorously.
He might even end up spraying the butt plug pirate if he's not careful.
Sorry about the imagery folks, but safety protocol is very important.
Regards...
This is clearly a posting that crosses the line. If you agree and find it very offensive then please report it.
This is clearly a posting that crosses the line. If you agree and find it very offensive then please report it.Outrageous behavior is a way of acting out. Reacting to bad behavior rewards it. I recommend against that.
Outrageous behavior is a way of acting out. Reacting to bad behavior rewards it. I recommend against that.
Cap-Z-ro.
I am a moderator on Revolution-Green. Your postings would not be allowed there,...
Maybe the most unfortunate part of these posts is that the valuable part of your posts gets lost in the garbage.
I will not bother reporting you; any forum that allows advertising by a certain 'expert' on OU devices that he cannot build himself, is clearly not after truth.
I noticed that MH was banned from a thread for asking pointed questions;...
In short, IF you want to contribute, stop the personal stuff and stick to facts.
It's about the method, which can hide the message; unless the message is to get a rise out of people...
It's about the method, which can hide the message; unless the message is to get a rise out of people...I think that the demonstrated behavior pattern unambiguously establishes that the intent is the latter.
And what are you really accomplishing by your method?
What do you WANT to accomplish? n other words, what are you up to in life?
I will not bother reporting you; any forum that allows advertising by a certain 'expert' on OU devices that he cannot build himself, is clearly not after truth.I tend to think of this as a "Care and Feeding of Unicorns" forum. People come and talk about how great unicorns would be how they would feed them, what they would do with them and how one might possibly procure one.
I tend to think of this as a "Care and Feeding of Unicorns" forum. People come and talk about how great unicorns would be how they would feed them, what they would do with them and how one might possibly procure one.
The problem is, simply that unicorns either don't exist or are so difficult to procure they are beyond the reach of the extreme vast majority of people - which often goes double for those who talk about the care and feeding of them.
The only way someone can *cough* profitably run such a forum is by indulging every hairbrain who would advertise on it and those advertisements are only useful to people who BELIEVE IN UNICORNS. So there's absolutely no way to have fair moderation.
Hartberlin allows just about anyone, no matter how little they add, how abusive they are do their thing. People like me get put on moderation for "negativity". Seriously. Direct. Quote. :)
You might as well put Cap-Mo-Ron on ignore. A fair number of people have. He's on ignore with me until he can define a reasonable standard of evidence so I can meet his burden of proof. :)
I'm paid by the NWO and JDIF to find capnzro's posts entertaining. My masters don't allow me to understand why people feel insulted by his silly posts. My handlers think he's one of the most misinformed people on the internet.
I'm paid by the NWO and JDIF to find capnzro's posts entertaining. My masters don't allow me to understand why people feel insulted by his silly posts. My handlers think he's one of the most misinformed people on the internet.You sir, are a fraud. I'm the real paid shill on this forum and everyone knows I'm paid to make SeaMonkey look stupid. Easiest. 50 Grand. Ever.
You sir, are a fraud. I'm the real paid shill on this forum and everyone knows I'm paid to make SeaMonkey look stupid. Easiest. 50 Grand. Ever.
And that POS is a traitor to the human race...if he can even be called human to begin with.
You sir, are a fraud. I'm the real paid shill on this forum and everyone knows I'm paid to make SeaMonkey look stupid. Easiest. 50 Grand. Ever.
You sir, are a fraud. I'm the real paid shill on this forum and everyone knows I'm paid to make SeaMonkey look stupid. Easiest. 50 Grand. Ever.I'm afraid that this man has you all duped. I'm the real shill. Everyone in the biz knows it's all piecework these days. Nobody is on salary.
Je suis Charlie.Vous etes trompez. Je suis avoir une face a claque!
50 grand? Man, I have to get a new agent. I don't even get mileage any more.
Bill
PS I forgot you are working for Big Pharma. I have heard that they pay better.
I believe that we can improve the QEG so that it becomes OU and self-loop.Your belief has no foundation in physics. The QEG is demonstrated to be a very low efficiency generator.
Just add an unbalanced cylinder. See the Milkovic 2SO thread for details.
Your belief has no foundation in physics. The QEG is demonstrated to be a very low efficiency generator.
It has, however, generated a lot of cash. Of course, those days might well be over.
Bill
I believe that we can improve the QEG so that it becomes OU and self-loop.
Just add an unbalanced cylinder. See the Milkovic 2SO thread for details.
I believe that we can improve the QEG so that it becomes a unicorn.See...no difference.
Just add unicorn bait. See the Milkovic 2SO thread for details.
I wonder if Lawrence has donated any money to the QEG folks?I kid you not: He is waiting to have supper with Jesus. http://www.greaterthings.com/Alphabetics/ASCII/MISCELLANEOUS/2015/02/150213_Valentines-Day.htm
If so, I feel bad for him. He is a decent fellow. What amazes me is that there are still people out there that believe this is not a scam.
That is scary to me.
Bill
PS We have not heard from Sterling in a while....has he been arrested?
Is the QEG a scam (hoax)?
Why is FTW in Morocco?Leaving no, selling out by sending local jobs overseas, Yes. Oh, since she volunteered to say cost of living in Morocco is 1/5 of living in U.S. shows she pocketed all that exaggerated budget she claimed dully needed during her "Tour" months in 2014. Tax free mind you.
Many businesses are leaving the US because of increasing regulations and expenses that make it nearly impossible to thrive.
I wonder if Lawrence has donated any money to the QEG folks?
If so, I feel bad for him. He is a decent fellow. What amazes me is that there are still people out there that believe this is not a scam.
That is scary to me.
Bill
PS We have not heard from Sterling in a while....has he been arrested?
That can also be seen as encouraging. Suppose you have tripped and fallen down, and hit your head on the toilet, and in your delirium had a vision of a real genuine workable FLUX CAPACITOR?!! Huh?!! Aren't you glad that it could be EASY to scam needed investors into a REAL legitimate deal? One that really will make the world a better place and help a lot of people.
Know whut I mean, Vern?
cheers
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I am not sure that I understand what you mean here.
Are you saying it is a good thing that there are a lot of gullible investors out there?
Some of whom may accidentally invest in a device that turns out to be real?
If this is indeed what you mean, I would love to see the odds against/for this.
Your question is virtually completely UN-important to me.
CANGAS 143
As was your reply to me.
Bill
Of course!This is CANGAS's answer to "is it good that there are gullible investors". It's certainly not good for them and there's little long term economic benefit getting people to invest in something fake.
From their point of view, it would be lucky, and, it be an accident.Which seems to be an irrelevant point of view to consider. Unless you generally think it's good for people to leave their car doors unlocked because that benefits the population of car thieves.
Your question is virtually completely UN-important to me.Well as long as it's "virtually complete" LOL. So it's unimportant to you if your opinions are correct? That would explain some of your posts. :)
LOL! ;D
I know. That's why you replied , to tell me that my reply was beneath your concern.
LOL.
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Again, you have a weird sense of logic over there.
You posted that my question was beneath your concern
and that made sense to you.
I turned it around saying the same about your answer Duh?
and now you say my post makes no sense?
Do you even read what you post?
Are you posting from Morocco?
Are you invested with these scammers or something?
Anybody having a low IQ is probably not bright enough to understand that somebody who has a much higher IQ is also possessing a much more accurate sense of logic. The low IQ guy almost always reacts by ego and not by logic, and says "That jerk really has weird logic." Scuuuze me; "Over there."
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The low IQ guy almost always reacts by ego and not by logic, and says "That jerk really has weird logic." Scuuuze me; "Over there."I always love looking at strawmen like this.
Bill Gates did say the phrase about memory, but it was 64K, not 640K.This is debatable. http://www.computerworld.com/article/2534312/operating-systems/the--640k--quote-won-t-go-away----but-did-gates-really-say-it-.html
THAT idea died quick, but the PCI bus can still be found, if you look hard enough.an awful lot of motherboards still carry one PCI card. Either for telco or POST codes.
To Think, When I left IBM, the idea of a cpu breaking the 30 MHZ mark was "WOW". (Who remembers the "Clipper" board? It was the first!)Was that a Mod 80 with the last gen 386DX? IIRC it topped out at 40Mhz in regular PGA runs.
If I were to apply all that old stuff, with all this new stuff.......I've done some work on the ARM architecture as I had one of the first Raspberry Pi's in the area. I find it's instruction set reminiscent of earlier days. :)
I always love looking at strawmen like this.
Kind of like the Wizard Of OZ isn't it? If only he had a brain.More entertaining. Cangas when he was pretending that he wasn't pretending to seriously consider my posts to be the work of an AI program. Was one of my fave moments on OU this year. :)
I still have a few 12" floppies. Anyone remember Pertec?
Hi everyone. I have been so busy with MAGGRAV.COM (http://MAGGRAV.COM/) that I have not been here for a while. we are bringing forward technologies that we feel are more promising than the QEG. We have put the QEG aside for now. Plasma technology, magnetic gravitation interaction is where we are focused.
Kevin Blundell & Evens Abellard share Keshe Technology with us!
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1. CO2 gas can be used as a power source – work is underway to harness it’s power right now and we will see energy items, small at first, like batteries, and then larger items in time. (just a note that the engineers exploring this application have shown me a light that is hooked up to gas (two very small cells about the size of two eye lens containers is all that is being used to power the light) and has been lit now 24/7 for 3 and 1/2 weeks! It has never dimmed and is showing no signs of dimming yet, which is pretty amazing!)
Us having your email address is your assurance against any disinformation you may see on the Internet from those who do not want this technology to be known or successful.
I do not even know where to begin. I am just shocked. Seriously at a complete lost for words.
Gotten above and beyond out of hand.
@TK, I advise you have an ambulance standing near by to revive you after this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvf7Gs6_MJ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvf7Gs6_MJ8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Tpyb_u9fI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Tpyb_u9fI)
I do not even know where to begin. I am just shocked. Seriously at a complete lost for words.Who says that you can't re-live the 60's?
Gotten above and beyond out of hand.
@TK, I advise you have an ambulance standing near by to revive you after this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvf7Gs6_MJ8
I do not even know where to begin. I am just shocked. Seriously at a complete lost for words.
Gotten above and beyond out of hand.
@TK, I advise you have an ambulance standing near by to revive you after this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvf7Gs6_MJ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvf7Gs6_MJ8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td1KAgrYUGA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td1KAgrYUGA)
Standard AC transformers can be pulsed to a measurable Over Unity transformation condition
where conventionally the readings are not yet investigated or understood.
Because as you and every body, I don't know one GEG working device(Over unity)! And never it will be...
It's interesting looking at the disinfo job on this "technology".Better yet you can buy kit parts from people who have given up and save yourself thousands of dollars.
"Methinks he protesteth too loudly" - Shakespare or words to that effect.
I'm gonna look into it now.
Better yet you can buy kit parts from people who have given up and save yourself thousands of dollars.
Then you are not interested in a QEG.
I'm not interested in the motorized version.
I'm solid state all the way. 8)
Then you are not interested in a QEG.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk
Good job! This reminds me of SFW!to see if she would let it pass and she did! She don't know what SFW means. So Flipping What.
Fix the World: It's a spay and neuter clinic!
You will not get through this in just 24 hours It's really that good. 'An Engineer'.
The latest promotion on "The Build Manual" (not the device itself) shows the quoteHow much time is allotted for uncontrollable laughter?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3fm-ln19Lw
I guess if it takes more than 24 hours to read a book all its contents are valid and true. The Engineer would better off state something to the effect should work in theory, all checks out, I peer reviewed and give my stamp of approval. Or go in for the kill and say IT WORKS!.
No need for the 'team' to prove anything now as its all in the instructions. Failure to achieve self-running will just be down to not following the instructions correctly. Where have we heard this one before. The only guarantee is that lots of money will be earned by selling the instructions!I obtained the manual. It is hilarious.
I obtained the manual. It is hilarious.
Great news Mark! Now, you too, can save the world.Those were much like "Golden Circles" AKA chain letters that were big in the 1980s and also illegal. I had a next door neighbor get into that.
This reminds me of the folks selling plans on how to "get rich quick" in the 70's. You sent them $20 and you got a one page letter
telling you to place ads offering plans on "How to get rich quick" and get 10,000 idiots to send you $20. So on and so on.
Sad to say, some of those guys made a lot of money before the Postal folks cracked down on them. Of course, I never sent in $20 but, a close friend of mine did.
Bill
Those were much like "Golden Circles" AKA chain letters that were big in the 1980s and also illegal. I had a next door neighbor get into that.
Do you think James Robitaille has read the Manual?I am happy to report that all DampenSat IV vehicles launched and acquired their designated orbits successfully in 2014. All have been performing at and beyond specifications. DampenSat's mission is classified but has been rumored to involve: Generation of opposing acoustic forces proportional to the velocity of impinging acoustic wavefronts by means of triangulated micro heating bursts.
After all.... he can't get his QEG to self-run at all, no matter how many extra coils and etc that he puts onto it... even things that the "original genuine WITTS" device didn't have at all.....
Maybe James, "Engineering Artist" that he is, should go back to Square One and _actually read_ the Manual, the FAQs, and the Tesla Patents (which ones were those, by the way?) so that he can get his build working right. "All you need to do is run it up to resonance, and it will run itself! You can power your home with it! You can even start it with a crank mechanism!"
What's the matter, Jamie? Having trouble putting your own information to work? Why should anyone buy instructions from you when YOU can't even get anything to work using the instructions?
So, what happened to Quebec engineer Evens Abellard? He lent an air of legitimacy to this farce. I would not be surprised if he is now back at his regular job installing and configuring IP telephones and the servers that support them.
Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
An overview of the tuning and detailed exciter coil setup, with conclusion and recommendations, will follow in PART 2 in a day or so. STAY TUNED,
James
The energy that is lighting up the bulb is radiant, or dominant energy (not conventional energy).
QEG TUNING / TECHNICAL UPDATE - PART 1 of 2 19 May 2015 16:47
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/640-present-stage-of-qeg-development-latest-findings-call-for- (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/640-present-stage-of-qeg-development-latest-findings-call-for-)
experiments?start=12#3053
Jamie, it is June 3rd, where is your update?
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Core Surface Voltage Test
Published on 19 May 2015
Testing the surface voltage of a QEG core that is being conditioned, using a fluorescent light. The energy that is lighting up the bulb is radiant, or dominant energy (not conventional energy). For more information download the free QEG manual here: http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/qeg (http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/qeg)...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRAGvQX9wwo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRAGvQX9wwo)
Hardy-har-har..... Play the "radiant energy" card and make a fluorescent light bulb light up. That's really breaking new ground.
Many folks can do that for just a few dollars....not thousands of dollars. Some energy breakthrough. At least the manual is free.
I wonder if it could be used as toilet paper?
Bill
Tesla Energy Solutions has bowed out:Unofficial reports from the possible ground control stations of the possible DampenSat IV orbiting array are alleged to state better than expected performance of the possible array.
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/tes-no-longer-to-supply-qeg-kits-important-qeg-update/
I will state it again, the boys at Tesla Energy Solutions could barely punch their way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to electronics. One assumes that things on the QEG side dried up for them a long time ago and they are not getting a single cent or a single credibility point by continuing to back Hopeless Gurl and the QEG.
Not to mention the fact that the TES boys never got the slightest whiff of free energy from the QEG. I recall that they bought two cores themselves, so they must feel pretty burnt and unhappy. Plus the fact that their "working" on the QEG by Team TES would be at a much lower technical level than Jamie, and Jamie is not exactly a hot shot on the bench.
"QEG Public Relations" (i.e.; Hopeless One) is going to have to enter a spin zone to implement damage control.
It's all downhill, and the hill is getting steeper.
Since it's about the self running qeg; it will likely be self wiping paper ;-)
Once you try a Bidet you'll lose any interest in
"self-wiping paper." The new styles imported
from Korea which install over your commode
are incredible. They're finally catching on in
America.
QEG - The Next Phase (sales)LOL, in his explanation pdf James the liar Robitaille says that he will make no promises. Yet there is his pledged guarantee to any and all buyers. It is hilarious that they are using the John Rohner: "I won't show you that I have what I claim because ... I got a flat tire. My battery was dead. There was a tornado. My iPhone doesn't take good enough video. The Men In Black will come for me. My partners won't let me do it. There was a burglary. ...". They are nothing but con artists who seem to think that Morocco is a good safe haven.
Attached is the new QEG builders complete package limited offer and the personal guarantee from
James Robitaille that the machine will produce OVERUNITY OUTPUT and be SELF-SUSTAINING with
minimum COP 3.9. But don't expect demonstration or electrical measurements, the attached pdf of
a 7/21/15 email explains their reason why.
I'm one of those people that likes to look at both sides of the coin! Now with that said, how is the government for the good of the people from the very rich communities to the poorest of the poor presidents? To me it is the same. The president for the poor takes advantage of them, the president for the rich takes advantage of them = corruption. The ONLY difference is that one has more money than the other and the one that has more money in this world has more “word-of-mouth” value even if they are 100% wrong!All life consumes nutrients to keep going.
I, just, I just can't understand how people cannot see COP> + in the evolution of life? All life has to be producing more than the intake in order to keep on going. This ONLY means that the physical life gathers ENEGY from the “thin air” to continue! I mean, why something so simple of COP > + is so afraid to understand? Unless, we are imploding? Which our history shows that we are EVOLUTING! From “intelligence'? Lol how stupid can you be? As if I'm to believe that our evolution is cop<←…then explain how the "evolution” of life is COP < negative? Explain please!
All life consumes nutrients to keep going.
Yeah I just ate shark fin soup, what's your point regarding COP < negative?
All life has to be producing more than the intake in order to keep on going.Is flat wrong. Nutrients supply the energy that keeps any given form of life going. The caloric energy of the nutrients exceeds the mechanical work performed by the organism. The rest goes out mostly as heat and a teency tiny bit of E/M radiation.
Is flat wrong. Nutrients supply the energy that keeps any given form of life going. The caloric energy of the nutrients exceeds the mechanical work performed by the organism. The rest goes out mostly as heat and a teensy tiny bit of E/M radiation.
OK I agree, but what do you see there? Do you see “food” being given for “freee” to the living which = COP > +?Solar fusion => increasing entropy => sunlight => photosynthesis => increasing entropy => food chain => increasing entropy at each step. All COPs < 1.0.
Did you forget about the sun?
Just think about it, “food to keep on evolving” from the “mother nature” = FREEE = COP>+?
Negative? Try 0 < COP < 1.0. Where do you get negative COPs?
Now we are talking about the food of evolution here. ALL life needs to keep on eating to survive, is the food COP<negative?
Maybe. Perhaps you would like to describe how you get a negative COP. COPs are ratios.
I don't think you are doing your math right?
I have read your answer MarkE before and you are very smart! BUT I cannot believe that FOOD is COP<negative in this world. It has to be COP>positive. Meaning, the mother nature has billions of years of energy in the air to gather. = COP>positive in our earth! If you don't believe in COP>positive then explain COP>negative? It's pretty simple obvious if you pay attention to the life of the universe.
MarkE, I think you are just focusing on my stupid way of expressing myself. What I like to concentrate on most is the “balance” of truth! Which to me = COP>+. Meaning in this earth we are only gathering energy. We live by gathering energy since even the voltage comes from generators. So where do the generators gather the voltage from? The spin right? COP>+! It's like a ladder of FREEE energy from the “mother nature”! There are billions of years of freee energy and billions of years of freee meteors! BUTTT it's just only a mater of GATHERING FREEE energy from “mother nature” to keep on living….POINT BLANK< YOU WOULD NOT BE HERE IF THE EARTH SHIFTED PLACE WITH PLUTO!If you want to speak in a unique dialecct where you use words contrary to their accepted meaning then you will most often find that you converse only with yourself.
SO by COP>+ I mean “over unity”. There is no other way! The galaxy is a bigggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg battery that provides FREEE energy to our world! = COP>+!
Unless you can show me proof how you make your own food? :|
Looks like the Robitailles have now abandoned any possible excuse of "mistake" and have entered into blatant fraud.It would seem so. But what choice does he have? The larder is low and hope to keep her belly full girl keeps looking at him with hungry eyes.
Can you imagine the courtroom scene? When James can't get his "guaranteed" self running device actually to self run, in front of a judge?
Except in CA where soon, they will not be allowed to take a shower due to
their own ignorance about the water shortage. Of course, they could have
installed a pipeline from Canada where there is abundant water supplies, but,
some folks in Calf. blocked it because they were afraid the pipeline might
spring a leak causing untold environmental damage. I mean, it is only
water...what the heck are they talking about out there?
But then the US was able to get the all-time recorder maker to go south of theThat is the part most Americans cannot seem to understand about Canadians and they did not make Gretzky do anything. We are very independent people and free to choose to live wherever we wish. We are not bound nor confined by blind patriotism to our country and while we love our country which is where we choose to live we could be quite happy to live anywhere else in the world. We are not held captive by our own country we are captivated by it which is why we choose to live here. Me Im' going to retire on a beach in Mexico at some point soon once the kids are gone.... goodby snow hello cold beer on a warm beach because I also love Mexico, the coast and fishing. My home is where I choose to live not where others tell me I should live.
49th : Gretzky
@truesearchThat is the part most Americans cannot seem to understand about Canadians and they did not make Gretzky do anything. We are very independent people and free to choose to live wherever we wish. We are not bound nor confined by blind patriotism to our country and while we love our country which is where we choose to live we could be quite happy to live anywhere else in the world. We are not held captive by our own country we are captivated by it which is why we choose to live here. Me Im' going to retire on a beach in Mexico at some point soon once the kids are gone.... goodby snow hello cold beer on a warm beach because I also love Mexico, the coast and fishing. My home is where I choose to live not where others tell me I should live.
AC
If you want to speak in a unique dialecct where you use words contrary to their accepted meaning then you will most often find that you converse only with yourself.
The point is that they are shameless liars who never had what they have claimed to have. It looks like their ability to draw in new money after bad is dwindling.
Canadians are just plain selfish and stupid to instinctively say "no" when it comes to sharing their fresh water resources. Fresh water is like Manna from heaven, and it's a 100% RENEWABLE resource. Fresh water runoff flowing into James Bay is like pouring good water down the drain.[/size]Yes, it will change the environment in the sub-arctic James Bay and who knows, some unique species of snails that live in James Bay will die off. Horror of horrors.
You prove time and again that you know nothing about the U.S. Too bad you have to depend upon America to protect you in the world.
Love it or leave it. Defend it to the death.
America is the greatest and the best.
If you arent' with us you're against us.
Bringing Democracy to the World.
I understand your view however corporations from some country are raping, pillaging and plundering the global financial and resource markets and I shouldn't have to tell you which country this is because I think you already know. Why should we trust them? why should we have any reason to believe them given the destruction they leave behind whenever they get involved in anything?. The problem is it's like sleeping with a rabid dog and no matter how much you may like it at some point you know your going to wake up missing a leg and wondering why you didn't know better.
It's not that we don't like Americans it's just that we know we cannot trust them because their corporations and government are rabid. They are Donald Trump on crystal meth at a fixed poker game and are so radical and extreme in comparison it simply boggles the mind. We may as well be living on different planets in my opinion because we are most definitely not that way yet but everyone seems to be headed in that direction and it's all bad.
Typical "American" arrogance and hubris.
The sentiments of Boobus Americanus...
Love it or leave it. Defend it to the death.
America is the greatest and the best.
If you arent' with us you're against us.
Bringing Democracy to the World.
They are just desperately trying to come up with a way to pull in more money and this is it. You will never see a working QEG from anybody.
What is comical is that in James' message about no demonstrations of over unity (big surprise there) he "guarantees" you that you will get "3kW RMS" output but "RMS power" does not even make sense. After all this time, the man cannot express himself about electrical power properly. That is very telling.
There was much debate last year whether James was in on the scam or just being used by Hopegirl. These last pdf releases and videos should removal all doubt of any passiveness or innocence. He has been on the take day one.
Take a look at the latest Bee Ess from the Que Eee Gee group. How to spot internet scams LOL!!
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/the-art-of-online-scamming-what-you-need-to-know-for-protecting-yourself-and-friends/
There was much debate last year whether James was in on the scam or just being used by Hopegirl. These last pdf releases and videos should removal all doubt of any passiveness or innocence. He has been on the take day one.
Take a look at the latest Bee Ess from the Que Eee Gee group. How to spot internet scams LOL!!
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/the-art-of-online-scamming-what-you-need-to-know-for-protecting-yourself-and-friends/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/the-art-of-online-scamming-what-you-need-to-know-for-protecting-yourself-and-friends/)
They are just desperately trying to come up with a way to pull in more money and this is it. You will never see a working QEG from anybody.
What is comical is that in James' message about no demonstrations of over unity (big surprise there) he "guarantees" you that you will get "3kW RMS" output but "RMS power" does not even make sense. After all this time, the man cannot express himself about electrical power properly. That is very telling.
Can I see a video of the QEG demonstrating overunity?
For those who want to see video/demonstrations: After some tough lessons about the unsavory things that go on in this ‘free energy’ arena, which we had no idea about when we began in 2013, we must inform you that no videos demonstrating overunity, self-sustaining, or live electrical measurements will be forthcoming from us. There are very good reasons for this which will be explained below. The faithful people who are successfully building, doing the work and following our instructions can demonstrate their machines if they so desire.
It’s a funny thing how many are coming out of the woodwork now that we have done all the work, who want us to ‘prove it’ to them, but we have been wisely advised over the past several months – as we were reaching our breakthrough – to never, EVER make any promises of financial return or ‘proof’ of technological success. Even WITTS told us their demo videos have done them little good since people simply assume they are fake, and as such, become more fodder for condemnation. The QEG family has lost enough just by posting all instructions freely on the internet, and we have been publicly beaten up by the naysayers, shills, and trolls quite enough.
Historically, those who have been successful in anything that goes up against Big Energy have had their reputations, labs, and lives destroyed, and have even been murdered. We have been very public up to now because we felt it was our only protection. It’s tempting, but we draw the line at demonstrations, as this is where really bad things start to happen to good people.
We know this is disappointing, but we have been put us up against a wall by those who have their own agendas for control of this splendid technology. We are not manufacturers of QEGs, we are teachers. We are not selling a product, we are sharing technology and asking for compensation for our time. We must maintain our stand.
From the "New FAQs" :It's hilarious. She sounds just like Dr. Dr. Con: John Rohner.
She is so cynical that she believes that intelligent people can't see right through this posturing.
Well, excuse me... I need to go feed my herd of invisible pink flying unicorns, so that they can keep their strength up for saving the world. No... of course I'm not going to show you any PROOF of my invisible pink flying unicorns... just send me more money so that I can keep feeding them. I'm not breeding them, just sharing technology. I'm just asking for compensation for my time !!!
What's that? You don't believe in my invisible pink flying unicorn herd? Why not, I've given you just as much proof of them as you have of the "Guaranteed" QEG self-running and providing excess output power!
How Much Power does the QEG put out?
Once tuned, the QEG’s sinusoidal output energy is a combination of AC, RF, and radiant impulses, which will drive standard loads equivalent to 3kW (guaranteed) up to 10kW RMS or more, depending on the level of tuning. The output frequency I’m running is 150Hz, which is the ½ harmonic of the M19 core steel’s resonant frequency of 300Hz (this may be different for your machine depending on steel type used), and this is the frequency (150Hz) that has to be converted to 50 or 60HZ to be usable as your electrical mains. The output voltage is dependent upon whether the secondary output is wired in series or parallel, and will likely be 300-350 VAC for series wiring, and 150-200 VAC for parallel. Since people seem to expect a COP rating (which is really inappropriate for a self-sustained machine), I have guaranteed output of at least COP 3.9 based on the ratio of motor input power (768 Watts or 1 HP) to total output power (3000/768=3.90625), or at least 3kW RMS output.
They (meaning James Robitaille, Engineering Artiste Extraordinaire) still speak of output in terms of "Watts RMS". There is no mention of the "400 Hz" which was supposed to be the operating frequency.
"Total Output Power" of course must include Reactive Power, measured as pretty colored lines on an oscilloscope, since they can't really drive any real loads at a power greater than the input power to the motor.
Too bad they can't even come close to the "total output power" ratio of my totally solid-state MicroQEG.
Which, by the way, I am NOT afraid to demonstrate, since it performs exactly as I have claimed that it does.
By the way, what happens if someone isn't able to obtain the "guaranteed" output power that Robitaille claims? Do they get their money back? Can the Robitailles be sued? I ask this since _nobody_ has reported anything near that from any QEG build to date -- much less "self-running".
:P
They (meaning James Robitaille, Engineering Artiste Extraordinaire) still speak of output in terms of "Watts RMS". There is no mention of the "400 Hz" which was supposed to be the operating frequency.
"Total Output Power" of course must include Reactive Power, measured as pretty colored lines on an oscilloscope, since they can't really drive any real loads at a power greater than the input power to the motor.
Too bad they can't even come close to the "total output power" ratio of my totally solid-state MicroQEG.
Which, by the way, I am NOT afraid to demonstrate, since it performs exactly as I have claimed that it does.
By the way, what happens if someone isn't able to obtain the "guaranteed" output power that Robitaille claims? Do they get their money back? Can the Robitailles be sued? I ask this since _nobody_ has reported anything near that from any QEG build to date -- much less "self-running".
:P
*** Disclaimer: for entertainment and educational purposes only about how to avoid a scam***Interested parties should be asking the Robitailles the same questions that they should be asking people like Rick Friedrich:
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darn it, i can't afford to buy this much useful information until my tax return cheque comes in on the 11th of this month.
just have to wait until their next store sale over at hopegirls wonderful project website where if its possible to buy their more advanced
training program for the qeg than the one listed above.
or one can always just go over to witts storefront at any time and buy this one that they are helping to share with all the good people everywhere aiming to clean up the planet, but its going to cost you moore money.
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This blah blah blah is getting retiring, lets get down to the point black bullet in your head.LOL, the Hoover Dam has performed reliably against its design since it first went into service. Between the water supply and the electricity generated, the Hoover Dam and the lesser dams down stream such as the Parker Dam have generated huge wealth in California, Arizona, and Nevada. The false promise of the QEG has generated travel funds for the Robitailles.
How much did it cost to build the hoover damn?
How much profit has it made ever since?
Does the damn make more money than it is spent on maintaining it? YAWNN!!!!b But lets hear what these “smart” people mathematicians need to say about that.
Has the QEG become a person now????
They can EASILY bully people like the QEG, lets hear the same people complain after they find out that the generators are only there to take their money...I WANT TO SEE THESE PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN TO THE QEG COMPLAIN TO THE BIG BOYS with the same "balls"!
The backlash against the Robitailles' lies seems to be that they are having a lot more difficulty cheating people than two years ago.
Sadly, I’m pretty sure they only have balls to complain to the low fruit lol. This has been documented by psychologist for decades...nothing new...which means it's their only reality and nothing better for the greater good. I.E. lets say that the QEG is “eliminated” is not like this QEG is the last one NOR they helped humanity in ANY way by going against it! LOL
Well, while you are having such a great time laughing, some folks are out about $200,000. for the lies told by the Robitailles.
HMMM let me look in to my crystal ball, after everyone goes against the QEG there will be truth? Lol And those that went after the QEG need a gold medal! Lol…
OK do they deserve a medal, they are here as gate keepers to try to define what is a QEG and what is not? OK, AGREED! But who are “judging” them and told them that they are qualified enough to be judges of what is a QEG and WHAT IS NOT? Lol
hehehehehe.
Are they just making themselves judges of OU devices by themselves? Well ain't that a bytch! lol
Well, while you are having such a great time laughing, some folks are out about $200,000. for the lies told by the Robitailles.
This blah blah blah is getting retiring, lets get down to the point black bullet in your head.
How much did it cost to build the hoover damn?
How much profit has it made ever since?
Does the damn make more money than it is spent on maintaining it? YAWNN!!!!b But lets hear what these “smart” people mathematicians need to say about that.
They can EASILY bully people like the QEG, lets hear the same people complain after they find out that the generators are only there to take their money...I WANT TO SEE THESE PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN TO THE QEG COMPLAIN TO THE BIG BOYS with the same "balls"!
Sadly, I’m pretty sure they only have balls to complain to the low fruit lol. This has been documented by psychologist for decades...nothing new...which means it's their only reality and nothing better for the greater good. I.E. lets say that the QEG is “eliminated” is not like this QEG is the last one NOR they helped humanity in ANY way by going against it! LOL
HMMM let me look in to my crystal ball, after everyone goes against the QEG there will be truth? Lol And those that went after the QEG need a gold medal! Lol…
OK do they deserve a medal, they are here as gate keepers to try to define what is a QEG and what is not? OK, AGREED! But who are “judging” them and told them that they are qualified enough to be judges of what is a QEG and WHAT IS NOT? Lol
hehehehehe.
Are they just making themselves judges of OU devices by themselves (there is no regulation if you believe you have 1000000 power of over-unity 9 senses in the brain to prove the real senses)? Well ain't that a bytch! lol
Remember _last summer_ when the UK group was "Hours away from self-running"? How many hours are there in _almost 18 months_ I wonder?
Now just take a look at the Be-Do forum. People are bewildered.....
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/682-how-to-get-the-qeg-to-overunity#3121 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/682-how-to-get-the-qeg-to-overunity#3121)
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/294-hi-from-uk?limitstart=0 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/294-hi-from-uk?limitstart=0)
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/681-breaking-news-qeg-phase-3-complete?start=6 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/681-breaking-news-qeg-phase-3-complete?start=6)
This would be hilarious if it weren't so pitiful....
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/692-hi-from-lkcl-submitted-a-slashdot-article#3125 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/692-hi-from-lkcl-submitted-a-slashdot-article#3125)
Note the continuation of the outright lies in the Slashdot posting:
http://slashdot.org/submission/4709629/open-hardware-team-successfully-replicating-tesla-inventions (http://slashdot.org/submission/4709629/open-hardware-team-successfully-replicating-tesla-inventions)
Yep, same old Bee Ess over at Be Do. When you read their post, and I advise spending better time counting cars on the freeway, you cannot help but think there exist a special gene for people like them.
oh, so no being able to finish the well intentioned project because it will not be demonstrated by the creators that are such great and nice people, pure as the falling snow as is commonly believed.
darn it, now i can't build my exact copy of their open sourced project. you guys ruined it, and that has made our leaders walk away.
the cities will just have to remain polluted because of our project leaders most recent decision to just not help bring this great project of theirs as is promoted by them to completion, even though they are still so great and nice helpful people once you get to know them for who they truely are, as pure as the falling snow. you do know they were so close, something about VARS just needed to be adjusted, and then it was time to get the factories busy making sure everyone could have one too. only a few days moore it looked like.
maybe i can see if torelco will be willing to let me return their practically new condition coil to them because i can't figure the darn thing out, that way i can put the money back in my kids college funds. they both want to be neurologists, who would've thought. just so proud of them.
still years later, i'm not discouraged even a little, you just have to keep saving up hope for a as promised better world by our great and unselfishly committed leaders over at witts and the qeg! it really is a for sure thing if the qeg scientific inventors who designed it to work exactly the same way like over at witts, simply just refused giving up on all hope earning the nobel prize which is rightfully theirs.
after all, they have so many other wonderful helpful projects going right now, way more than witts ever did, though if they can't get it tuned, thats ok because its most likely witts anyways, theirs work already.
stop being so negative and just go along with it if you can't say anything nice at all!
they are honest and worthy of such because its true, and because they have good karma.
they wont be the ones going to hell and you know it! you just need to repent a little.
if they just kept holding hope a little higher and kept tuning it its just got to work.
they said this is why too, and that at one time in the past they mentioned the fact that they were able to be successful with it.
ah well, such is life..
i'll just buy one that seems easier, ya instead of trying to make one, probably in about 3 or 4 months from now if not sooner.
The only thing self-running is this scam.
....
Bill
I can honestly say that is the best comment on this entire boondoggle since its inception!
LOL, the Hoover Dam has performed reliably against its design since it first went into service. Between the water supply and the electricity generated, the Hoover Dam and the lesser dams down stream such as the Parker Dam have generated huge wealth in California, Arizona, and Nevada. The false promise of the QEG has generated travel funds for the Robitailles.
Has the QEG become a person now?
The backlash against the Robitailles' lies seems to be that they are having a lot more difficulty cheating people than two years ago.
Well, while you are having such a great time laughing, some folks are out about $200,000. for the lies told by the Robitailles.
The greeeeed is all over the place that i'm sure you see it. CEO makes 1000 times more than the person below him. College books went 100% higher in price. Medical bills charge $20 dollars for a paper cup….bro, really?
Do you see the difference or similarities? “the robitailles” are trying to help the people BREAK FREEE from the corruption of the hoover dam as much as you are. You have to see the generators as simple things as a $100 dollar generator with magnetic coils and bearings right?The Robitailles have helped themselves to the contents of other people's wallets by telling lies. They are just a family of con artists.
The Hoover Dam is owned and operated by the US government, not private investors.
Which is pretty simple to be honest, instead of the “lower class” trying to fight “big brother” they just need to buy the hoover dam? Is the hoover dam for sale? Lol (I’m pretty sure it is not 'cause it is a cash cow).
You are all over the map here. What the Robitailles have in common with all these things you complain about is they want a free ride too. They don't even have a paper cup to offer.
The greeeeed is all over the place that i'm sure you see it. CEO makes 1000 times more than the person below him. College books went 100% higher in price. Medical bills charge $20 dollars for a paper cup….bro, really? You don't see corruption all over the place? Now you are ganging up on these poor people to protect people from their money? I have a feeling that you don't get out much or don't read the news!
The QEG is a 100% lie. The Robitailles borrowed the lie from the liar Thrapp. Now they comically claim that they've made the QEG work, but have come up with really stupid excuses for not showing proof: Bad cell phone camera, men in black ... Why do you defend the Robitailles' blatant fraud?
Ok lets say that the QEG is 100% wrong. Are you going against them cause you got lied to or because you are trying to help other people from not spending their HARD EARNED money?
The QEG is a pile of manure foisted on gullible people by a family of con artists.
The hoover dam is a cop>+, look at all the lights that you can see from a satellite all coming from dam generators. Since it is a cop>+, there is no way in hell it will get sold...lol = freee money in their pocket for their rest of their life. Who in their right mind is going to say that it is easy to maintain a hoover dam…? Only the intelligent people can understand the cop>+ of the situation. Like I said, get out more and learn about how the world works. The QEG are just simple poor people trying to help poor people.
How hard is that to understand?Why is it that you don't understand that the Robitailles are defrauding people?
A CEO just made millions in one day taking advantage of the people while the Robitaille are still poor, c'mon man!How many wrongs make a right? Do you shoplift or dine and dash using exorbitant CEO compensation as a rationalization?
The Robitailles have demonstrated that they are only trying to help themselves. Why does it upset you so that anyone calls them out on their fraud?
Why don't you start reading the news? You are sooo focused on these poor people trying to help that you ignore real life, from different angles, real life scenarios of TRUE corruption!
LOL: "Your honor if you send my client to prison will that end crime? Of course not. So, don't send my client to prison!"
REALLY! If the Robitailles disappear tomorrow, corruption will go away 100%?
You don't even understand what corruption is based on that! Get out more and read the needs and maybe take some psychology classes to be able to understand further what corruption really is. LOL, you believe this is corruption! You need to watch videos where people get their heads cut off with chain saws or get stabbed to death by 20 people all together. Or a person getting mentally and physically abused for 20 years! Get out of your little bubble and look at reality corruption around you smart sir. ::)The House of Windsor when they were better known as the Hapsburgs in 1914.
Let me ask you what started WWII?
SoManyWires, actually you have a lot of wires in your for your own good. Let me guess, you are over 50 years old at least. Close to being scared to die that you need something to distract you from your faith?
How old are you SoManyWires? You see, most people that are old only try to distract themselves from the years catching up to them = selfish = not really focusing on the good of the greater people but only upon themselves! :P
To be honest, there is nothing really hard to psychoanalyze you. It's like you trying to watch squirrels eat nuts cause you have nothing better to do. Then you are like, “i don't like how such and such squirrel eats nuts, but I do like how the other eats them” lol I'm guessing you are old!
The Robitailles borrowed the lie from the liar Thrapp. Now they comically claim that they've made the QEG work, but have come up with really stupid excuses for not showing proof: Bad cell phone camera, men in black ... Why do you defend the Robitailles' blatant fraud?
The QEG is a pile of manure foisted on gullible people by a family of con artists.
Why is it that you don't understand that the Robitailles are defrauding people?
How many wrongs make a right? Do you shoplift or dine and dash using exorbitant CEO compensation as a rationalization?
The Robitailles have demonstrated that they are only trying to help themselves. Why does it upset you so that anyone calls them out on their fraud?
"Your honor if you send my client to prison will that end crime? Of course not. So, don't send my client to prison!"
Yes I remember about Thrapp and watching his videos and I actually did not like the guys attitude nor the way he expressed himself in the videos. But you also have to have at least a the basics of how social people work. You need to understand that in order to understand what is really happening here. If you cannot understand how social people work, then you will never be able to see the truth about the whole situation but just judge it based on your bias views.You are making excuses for frauds. Frauds do not advance society. They are parasites.
Ok let me ask you this, why are you on a OU forum? If you know 100% with out a doubt there is no OU device, then stop looking and move on.
Maybe you are discouraging greater minds to find the “key” to the OU solution. We are are still learning and have yet to figure out “dark energy” “dark mater” and other things we are yet to understand. The simple fact that the galaxy is a self-sustain system actually means it is being sustained for billions of years by FREEE energy, right? Now based on that fact, the mother earth is a “self sustained Eco-system” right? Now based on that we can understand that “the big bang” exploded from this → . and all matter in the galaxy came from this → . right? So we can understand all of that so now lets look what it's in front of our eyes and compare it to the outcome of what will happen 10 years from now or 5 years from now?
My point is/was that “corruption corrupts absolutely” and since you cannot do anything about it your only vie about CEOs (or any higher power than yours) is nothing because your bias views does not other you as much as someone here in a forum talking about OU but in fact the CEO is taking more of your tax dollars than any poor guy here trying to make an OU device to try to “escape” the corruption. Tell me what CEO is interested in an OU device? They are not because they already have one lol.
It bothers me because I don't see them as bullies nor bothering anyone at all. They are making a movement that no people have the courage to make. How do you propose to change the world? Unless you believe that this world is 100% just and fair among all? You are telling me that all of this evidence regarding powering a vehicle with water is just hog wash? How do you explain that cigarettes cause cancer and kill millions yet it is very legal to sell poison?
All I’m saying is that 5-10 years from now you will be complaining about other people and things will not change while around you, other people in their own bubbles have made more advance discoveries than you have behind your chair thinking that you know that something does not exist. We are sort of living in a virtual reality because we are taught since kids to only believe what we are told. For decades I thought that only current/amps killed me but just the other day I found out that 250 amps could pass through my body and I would not die not even make my eye twitch.
a selfish egotistical kid, who cares less.
You are making excuses for frauds. Frauds do not advance society. They are parasites.
First of all, I have a feeling you do not even bothered to understand anything I write and your whole focus is to point fingers.The Robitailles have established themselves as frauds. You keep making up excuses for them and pitching the idea that they are actually developing some technology that they are in no way doing. Why you choose to do that is anyone's guess.
Loaded questions can be so much fun. It all depends on what path the current takes. Even modest currents across the ventricles can induce cardiac arrest. You could always take up your doubts with safety organizations such as UL who set standards for things like leakage currents in patient connected equipment.
How in the world did you not even question me for this lol
“For decades I thought that only current/amps killed me but just the other day I found out that 250 amps could pass through my body and I would not die not even make my eye twitch.”
Which is true. Where you not taught since little that amps is what kills you?
Then start by terminating your support for the established frauds: the Robitailles.
But, Oh!, you want to talk about frauds? Lets! Name all the frauds in the world so we can take care of them. Ok lets deal with the robitailles..DONE! Who's next after them? Because your goal is to make this world just right? I would not mind to join your super powers of getting rid of fraudulent people. So who's next? I'm with you MarkE. :P
The Robitailles have established themselves as frauds.
Loaded questions can be so much fun. It all depends on what path the current takes. Even modest currents across the ventricles can induce cardiac arrest. You could always take up your doubts with safety organizations such as UL who set standards for things like leakage currents in patient connected equipment.
Then start by terminating your support for the established frauds: the Robitailles.
How so, and you forget, what qualifies you to make such judgment? I have myself experience bullying from people based on the social phenomena where they all tag-team and go blindly against someone sort of as groupies throwing their underwear and bras at a concert to boy bands.LOL Start with their claims to working devices in 2013. Carry on to their current false claims of working devices. If you want to support frauds, that is your choice.
LOL Start with their claims to working devices in 2013. Carry on to their current false claims of working devices. If you want to support frauds, that is your choice.
I just told you that I’m going to go against the robitailles fraudulent ways, now i'm asking you who is next to go agaist in the fraudulent ways? Since we are both trying to fight against fraudulence right? Lets forget about robitailles, they are done, trash in the garbage can...who's next to fight against fraudulence MarkE? Lets do it! I have my thoughts ready to debate! Tell me who is next for a better world? But I would also like to see the statistics of how the human population benefited once the robitailles are gone? Cause I'm sure you are writing things down on paper and comparing them based on science right! Yes? 8)LOL you need statistics to convince you that it's a bad idea to support frauds as you have? That's an interesting position to take.
LOL you need statistics to convince you that it's a bad idea to support frauds as you have? That's an interesting position to take.
I just told you that I’m going to go against the robitailles fraudulent ways, now i'm asking you who is next to go agaist in the fraudulent ways? Since we are both trying to fight against fraudulence right? Lets forget about robitailles, they are done, trash in the garbage can...who's next to fight against fraudulence MarkE? Lets do it! I have my thoughts ready to debate! Tell me who is next for a better world? But I would also like to see the statistics of how the human population benefited once the robitailles are gone? Cause I'm sure you are writing things down on paper and comparing them based on science right! Yes? 8)
Well, no one would be relieved of their hard earned dollars to the tune of over $200,000. That is a good start. People like to believe so, they are ripe for the fleecing. The givers have good hearts and good intentions but, they do not realize that they are up against slick con artists.
What if that money was actually donated to a guy that really had something that could benefit the world? What if, folks that got ripped off by HoplessGirl decided to never give to anyone again? There are serious repercussions to scams like this Joel. It gives everyone in this energy research field a bad name. That is not good for anyone except the scammers.
Pirate88179, you actually have a good heart based on how you speak or express yourself, even though you eat Jbweld.
You need to understand the ROOT of any “problem” in order to understand anything!
Can you fix your car engine?
Can you fix your house air conditioning unit?
Can you fix your house refrigerator?
Can you fix your LCD TV if it breaks down?
Can you maintain your body healthy to live to the ripe age of 100?
Can you understand why someone gets bullied?
Do you know what a CEO makes a year?
Have you ever held in your hands 30,000 USD cash?
Knowing most of the answers to these questions will most certainly put you above that the average groupie throwing the panties at concert people. And it will make you see BOTH 1)How easy it is to take advantage of people 2)How easy it is to understand #1
Pirate, please tell me how to fix an air conditioner to take you seriously? ??? ?? (with no jbweld)
It is impossible to fix an air conditioner without using JB Weld. I know a guy that tried it once, and now, he is dead. This is the only way you can do it. This was a trick question right?
Did MarkE laughed with you or at you? ;D
He told me he laughed with you :P pirateI wonder who "he" is. Did you have an imaginary conversation with someone?
I was trying to be a sport marke, I'm sure you did not laughed at him (did you?). :) You seem like you are focused on being right all of the time with out actually looking at the real content. I figured you would find his JBweld adventures entertaining?You and I never had any conversation regarding Pirate Bill's joke. I don't know what motivated you to lie to Bill by saying that we did.
You know what, let me ask you this too marke, how do you fix an air conditioning unit?The appropriate method to repair something depends on: What's broken, and what the circumstances are. Improvised solutions are fine as long as they satisfy the priority requirements. If JB Weld was good enough to fix a leaky fitting and the fix held long enough to get spare fittings or permanently, then the JB Weld did its job. If the enamel insulation in the compressor motor fails, JB Weld isn't going to help.
Lets say that tomorrow you come home after playing a game of golf and your air conditioning in your house is not blowing cold air anymore, how will you go about fixing it? Comic guy pirate says with Jbweld, but you say what? What will be the process of elimination? I'm sure it will be no big deal since you feel like you understand real deep issues. So lets hear you speak about fixing/repairing a simple mechanical/electrical component as an air conditioning unit? 8)
wow you can buy the howto on amazon as well. I thought it was free? http://www.amazon.com/QEG-Build-Manual-Anniversary-Edition-ebook/dp/B00XRHCLUK (http://www.amazon.com/QEG-Build-Manual-Anniversary-Edition-ebook/dp/B00XRHCLUK)
I wonder if Amazon knows it does not work?I doubt that they would care.
Bill
I doubt that they would care.
wow you can buy the howto on amazon as well. I thought it was free? http://www.amazon.com/QEG-Build-Manual-Anniversary-Edition-ebook/dp/B00XRHCLUKThat link throws a 404 now. Searches for QEG do not return anything from the Robitailles.
That link throws a 404 now. Searches for QEG do not return anything from the Robitailles.It's actually a 503 now.
The appropriate method to repair something depends on: What's broken, and what the circumstances are. Improvised solutions are fine as long as they satisfy the priority requirements. If JB Weld was good enough to fix a leaky fitting and the fix held long enough to get spare fittings or permanently, then the JB Weld did its job. If the enamel insulation in the compressor motor fails, JB Weld isn't going to help.
Lets say that tomorrow you come home after playing a game of golf and your air conditioning in your house is not blowing cold air anymore, how will you go about fixing it? Comic guy pirate says with Jbweld, but you say what? What will be the process of elimination? I'm sure it will be no big deal since you feel like you understand real deep issues. So lets hear you speak about fixing/repairing a simple mechanical/electrical component as an air conditioning unit?
LOL 1st i find pirate funny, just a funny man and nothing else. second, that is not what i asked...actually when I said what I said i meant that we both find pirate as a funny man with jbweld...yes jbweld works in certain scenarios (which is pliantly and painfully obvious) that pirate is pushing this further as if jbweld is better than ANYTHING ELSE LULZ!Gee, I was unaware that achieving the status of an HVAC technician represented the epitome of intelligence. Is that what the eggheads at Mensa use as a screening test for membership: an HVAC technician's exam? Perhaps such specialized knowledge is just too much for some people to handle or too dangerous to know. After all the pilot of MH370 liked to post YT videos on how to check and repressurize the Freon in home AC systems.
So now i'm over pirate intelligence, he is funny and not someone to gather real deep information from! DONE! the fat lady has sung! THE SHIT HAS HIT THE FAN! JUST DONE! lol.
Now I'm asking you as an intelligent person to tell me how a simple air conditioner unit works and how to repair it when it stops working! (pirate does not know how to..I've asked him like 5 times already and he keeps on JBweld shit answers lol))
Now you believe you are smart based on your out view in life, from that view point, you should be able to repair simple stuff like an air conditioning unit? IF YOU CAN"T< I"M SORRY BUT YOU ARE GETTING AHEAD OF YOUR PRIDE!
Yes, after defending the indefensible Robitailles you want to talk about AC units.
Now, please explain how to repair your house A/C system? Don't worry, when you do, I have other questions to push your intelligence, I have plenty of question in the back burner...there is not lacking of those...but for now AC systems is on the table! Lets see you ability to fix such simple systems! :P (notice this is my second attempt asking)
LOL you guys look like clowns trying to understand the QEG, like if there is pride to be had...there is no pride in this sad situation. The pride to be had is when you are making millions of dollars of your own. and then get rid of all QEGs in the world with your money and put lipstick on the earths lips. ;DThe QEG is a low efficiency power converter fraudulently marketed as a free energy generator.
Gee, I was unaware that achieving the status of an HVAC technician represented the epitome of intelligence. Is that what the eggheads at Mensa use as a screening test for membership: an HVAC technician's exam? Perhaps such specialized knowledge is just too much for some people to handle or too dangerous to know. After all the pilot of MH370 liked to post YT videos on how to check and repressurize the Freon in home AC systems.
Yes, after defending the indefensible Robitailles you want to talk about AC units.
The QEG is a low efficiency power converter
Please point me to ANY HIGH efficiency power converter? lol (also please understand that QEGs exists all around the savanna desert).Pick any solar inverter manufactured by: enPhase, SMA, or ABB. The average power conversion efficiency is better than 94%. The QEG manages about 30%. It is awful.
lol, no matter what you say, you are still not describing how a simple HVAC unit must be fixed if you are to be such an intelligent person with higher degree of understading. As a matter of fact it is plainly obvious that you have to understand these things to move on forward with anyone actually testing your knowledge...all people that can understand deeper things should be able to understand these simple things down to the root!!!Your propositions are silly.
WUT you just mentioned a pilot of a MH370, mmmm is that what you are marke? a pilot and not an engneer, rememer a monkey pilot was straped on an aircrapt to go to the moon also?
PLEASE JUST TELL ME HOW TO FIX AN AC SYSTEM AND LETS MOVE ONNN FROM THERE SHAL WEE? nothing hard really!
If you cannot understand the HVAC system of the earth how the hell can you of the universe? HECK! even the human body!!!
lol your brain is picky and racist with no hard core math paper work to back it up! I tried to show you that when they go away you will still bytch about others. You are in a comfort zone where no one bothers you to challange your "intelligence" so you keep on blabering about anything and everything, but once one starts to challange you is when you will start to make up excuses and search "back up" from other people to come and help you out. This has been researched and documented in the human psychology for decades. NOw marke, it's time for a wake up call and you have never met a challange before where someone challanges your thinking? lol, you must be 100% right all of the time then right? no need for me to question you at all? nor the rest of the clowns that follow your beliefs should question you?
But we will get there eventually for the rest to see. for now, lets get back to the simplex view of fixing an AC system. Tell me how to fix one cause it is a requirement to understand further..and it should be no big deal to you!
Swissindo, OPPT....... and now FTW QEG. My my, how the world does turn. I think that anyone who is stupid enough to fall for these scams deserves exactly what they get.
http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70324-SwissIndo-The-Scam-Exposed
Your propositions are silly.
They never sent a monkey to the moon. I mean, really, you should read more.
JB Weld, so easy to use, even a monkey can do it.
There is so much safety in the airplanes that they can pretty much fly themselves with little human interaction.
It may be silly to you but your sweaty (stinky?) body needs to stay cool in the hot summer days and nice and warm in the cold days.I am happy that you have learned some skills that you value. What has any of that got to do with the QEG scam that the Robitailles pulled and continue to try and pull?
I spend my free time learning about anything and everything that I can and that is the best way to look at like in every possible angle one human brain can handle (we are social animals) and the studies show that we are all living in a bubble! IOW, a doctor may not even know how to rebuilt and engine while mechanic cannot even understand staple stitches. There is really nothing hard in both to do at all the only thing that is needed is someone to teach you the past LEARNING. That's it. In our modern society, you pay to learn what has been acquired by evolution for millions of years to these new born kids. Which is someway of money making way. All newborns are born gullible, the parent teaches them what best they can, and then they pay what the government can teach them. If kids from their first years where encouraged to learn everything and anything to benefit their future life, our civilization would be 30-40 years ahead of what they are right now and the focus would be more to take care of each other instead of fighting/wars.
But i'm sure you don't know how to rebuilt a motor nor how to fic and A/C system so my questioning for you is still on the table and I know you don't know unless you take some classes for years. I have learned this because out of curiosity I learned what it takes to fix an AC system which is pretty simple. If I learn how to operate, it would be simple too...nothing out of this earth phenomena.
Let me ask you how to fix a car then in all possible ways... that is my next hobby of curiosity and so far I know how they work in the basics of the combustion and the diesel side of things and the so many different type of engine designs like the mazda motor.
The beauty about looking at different angles is that it benefits you in the curiosity of things but it also helps you out in the greedy side corruption of things. Just say that you don't know how to repair an A/C system :P (home or industrial)
I completely overhauled the AC system in my old Chevy a couple of years ago. Replaced the compressor, the dryer, the orifice tube, the condenser and evaporator with new parts. Pumped the new system down with a 2-stage vane pump, and changed the system from the old freon R22 to the new R134. Bought the vacuum pump and an ac service gauge set from Harbor Freight.
I can also bake a cake, machine small parts to 0.0001 inch accuracy, play the guitar, fly a sailplane, and touch-type 40 words per minute. Among other skills. And I'm pretty sure that other, well-rounded and well-educated people like MarkE have similar skill-sets as well. There is really no point in your little cynical "challenges" because I will imagine that it's pretty easy to find complicated things that YOU, joel, cannot do, that other people CAN do. Just as it is for me or for anyone.
I've even repaired a few engine crankcases with J-B Weld.
I am happy that you have learned some skills that you value. What has any of that got to do with the QEG scam that the Robitailles pulled and continue to try and pull?
So what this says is that MarkE does not know how to fix an A/C system as Bill can't either but TinselKoala knows how to.No it doesn't.
LOL, you have two fails in one sentence.
Well, MarkE how can you be soooo sure about something that you don't know how it works 100% if you don't know how an A/C system works 100%?
LOL, No doubt reptilian alien overlords who run the HVAC service community engage in price fixing.
You don't know the corruption that goes on in the GREEED side of corrupted companies that “fix” air conditioning units too right?
As long as you own the mountain you can do what you like.
TinselKoala tell MarkE how much money you saved by doing it yourself?
Oh so can we do a generator by ourselves and power it from the mountain waters? Of course it will be allowed by the government right smart guys? Lol
At an oxygen bar they do. Once again you have failed to establish your claim or any relevance to it.
MarkE, why have they not put a meter on the air you breathe? You probably don't know as you don't know how to fix a simple A/C system?
So what this says is that MarkE does not know how to fix an A/C system as Bill can't either but TinselKoala knows how to.
Well, MarkE how can you be soooo sure about something that you don't know how it works 100% if you don't know how an A/C system works 100%?
You don't know the corruption that goes on in the GREEED side of corrupted companies that “fix” air conditioning units too right?
TinselKoala tell MarkE how much money you saved by doing it yourself?
Oh so can we do a generator by ourselves and power it from the mountain waters? Of course it will be allowed by the government right smart guys? Lol
MarkE, why have they not put a meter on the air you breathe? You probably don't know as you don't know how to fix a simple A/C system?
No it doesn't.
LOL, you have two fails in one sentence.
No doubt reptilian alien overlords who run the HVAC service community engage in price fixing.
As long as you own the mountain you can do what you like.
t an oxygen bar they do. Once again you have failed to establish your claim or any relevance to it.
lol that's it...ok I will respond intelligently with “yes it does” lolLOL
Just say that you don't know how to repair an A/C systems instead of trying to NEVER BE WRONG already. It is a fact that you can't build an LCD TV. The way our world works is because we are social animals and the responsibility of the smart people is to help those that can't so easily. You think I am trying to put you down but I know 100% sure that NO ONE KNOWS EVERYTHING! So you cannot know everything...how can someone feel to understand everything and also predict the future of their non-understanding stuff?
You don't understand the AC systems so you can't understand the GREEED side of them BUT you can understand where you get TAXED AND OVER CHARGED in anything else. How can't you not see that GREEED is in all? I'm amazed I thought you where smart at one point. Or maybe is just a lact of miscommunication. I know for a fact that those working on comission will try to sell you a brand new $4,000 USD unit even if it only needs a $100 AC motor. You would understand this if you know how the system works but I guess you are living in your own little bubble lol = not that smart.
How do you buy a mountain that one can put a hoover damn down the river?
Man, seriously, who makes air? face palm ::)
You make so many unfounded assumptions Joel. Intelligent folks do not tend to do that.
I have owned 6 houses in my lifetime and I have repaired and maintained the heating and cooling systems on all of them. My first home needed a new system, so, I installed it myself.
I spent 20 years as a ceramic machinist, I can fly airplanes (real ones), I play drums and toured in a rock and roll band in the 70's, I play guitar, I play the keyboards as well, I was responsible for all of the maintenance on the machines in my Dad's machine shop where I worked while growing up. I installed and maintained all of the machine tools in my own machine shop and never had to call for an outside repair person, I helped to design and build several parts that have flown on the Space Shuttle, redesigned and built parts for the F-16, My company had parts we made in the first Mars Lander, I have rebuilt automobile engines and, I am about to install a large bore kit onto my scooter taking it from 49cc to 80 cc. I was a Private Investigator for 12 years and ran my own agency specializing in video surveillance, I started and ran my own Advertising agency, I founded Thunder Wood Drivers which built and sold persimmon wood golf clubs utilizing a ceramic Power Concentrator, (Partially stabilized zirconium oxide) I have written 5 novels, 3 of which are available on amazon, (I am working on number 6) I have been shot at, and had guns pulled on me more than once, I now do armed security for a very large company.
So, as you can see, your stupid assumptions are just that. I seriously doubt that you know anything about anything that MarkE does not know much more about. Your youth betrays you.
Bill
***EDIT***
I forgot that I have also been scuba diving in many places around the country, was flying a Cessna that caught fire in mid air, had lunch with a sitting Vice President Of the United States, (after presenting him with one of our inventions) have over 60 inventions, (10 of which have been successfully brought to market) and, since I am old, I will probably think of more stuff that I have done. But, no matter, I suppose you get the point. There are a lot of folks here that have done some incredible things over their lifetime, and for you...a young kid, to try to claim that you know more is ridiculous.
I mean, you do sound like you have a brain and it is good that you are learning to do many different things...good for you. Just think what you will have done and will know when you are in your 50's. So, when some kid then tells you he knows more and has done more than you...you too can just laugh.
LOL
Why are you not a millionaire?
My Mom, God rest her soul, used to ask me the same thing all of the time. My response was, and still is, I do not care that much about money.
You did raise a good point in your post that there are, indeed, a lot of very educated and intelligent folks here. Why have they not invented overunity yet?
Good question. The easy answer is that it may not be possible to do. Maybe it is not possible to do....yet. Who knows? If anyone gets it, it will be a guy like MarkE, or TK, or maybe MileHigh and probably not a guy like me. No matter. IF it can be done it will be done. These smart guys here help in many ways, one of which is to stop folks from going down known dead end paths. They also help to bust false O.U. claims as well. This helps newbs from trying something that has been proven not to work, wasting both time and money.
I have said before, and I will say it again Joel, I know you are not a bad guy, as I said, you are looking for answers, you want to learn how things work, etc. This is the very thing we need our younger generation to be doing. Questioning the status quo is a good thing to do also. Just understand how we got to where we are...learn that...and build upon that. It is the next generation that will make things better...or worse.
Yes, the JB Weld thing turned into a bit of a joke. But, I have used it in the ways I have mentioned, and it does work. Is it a better substitute than replacing the thing with new parts? No. But, I have fixed many things with it meaning to go back and get new parts but...i have forgotten because the device is still working OK.
Just keep learning Joel and keep your mind open. I just wish more younger folks took an interest in how things work that surround them in their every day lives.
Bill
I'm use to my mind being hard to understand bro. I spend most of my time thinking about why this and that. I have been genetically born with "macho man" genetics so don't take it as an insult if I go against you. BUT THIS "LOL", = 100% facts you don't know how A/C systems work. How many times do I have to ask? You think an answer of LOL will make you smart? I'm kind of wondering what motivated a person that does not know how to fix an A/C give an LOL to a person that does and it can be proven 100%...now I'm suppose to believe what your opinion regarding the QEG as of "high quality"?...nah!!!!!!!LOL.
LOL.
My Mom, God rest her soul, used to ask me the same thing all of the time. My response was, and still is, I do not care that much about money.
You did raise a good point in your post that there are, indeed, a lot of very educated and intelligent folks here. Why have they not invented overunity yet?
Good question. The easy answer is that it may not be possible to do. Maybe it is not possible to do....yet. Who knows? If anyone gets it, it will be a guy like MarkE, or TK, or maybe MileHigh and probably not a guy like me. No matter. IF it can be done it will be done. These smart guys here help in many ways, one of which is to stop folks from going down known dead end paths. They also help to bust false O.U. claims as well. This helps newbs from trying something that has been proven not to work, wasting both time and money.
I have said before, and I will say it again Joel, I know you are not a bad guy, as I said, you are looking for answers, you want to learn how things work, etc. This is the very thing we need our younger generation to be doing. Questioning the status quo is a good thing to do also. Just understand how we got to where we are...learn that...and build upon that. It is the next generation that will make things better...or worse.
Just keep learning Joel and keep your mind open. I just wish more younger folks took an interest in how things work that surround them in their every day lives.
JB weld is actually better than it is given credit for have an old water pipe I fixed was told I"ll just be replacing the pipe that it wouldn't hold up here it is years later working like a champ.
The media/ads use a technique called “fear mongering” even when it comes to computer viruses, they employ fear mongering to sell their software...the hackers use the same technique for “phishing”.
Having said that, I worked as a plumber for a few years and I can tell you that the cheap way of fixing any copper/led/galvanized water pipes is to use anything really to fix the leak. This can be jb weld, or this clamp http://www.clampingsolutions.co.za/products/pipe-repair-clamps-2/ (http://www.clampingsolutions.co.za/products/pipe-repair-clamps-2/) that fix will give you more years before another leak develops. You can actually use any type of rubber (like a piece of a tire with a clamp) and it will work too. Actually using rubber and clamp, you do not have to shut down the main water line which you would have to do for any type of epoxy to dry.
So the easiest CHEAP and best thing to do to fix a water pipe leak is clamps with rubber than jbweld. This is coming from a guy that has “repaired” many leaks in water pipes before. Never have I used jbweld to repair a leaky pipe. But over the years, since the pipe is already being corroded from the inside, another leak will develop along the corroding pipe. https://www.google.com/search?q=corrosion+inside+water+pipes&biw=1710&bih=914&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIv6fJka6vxwIVUn6SCh2Fvgot (https://www.google.com/search?q=corrosion+inside+water+pipes&biw=1710&bih=914&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIv6fJka6vxwIVUn6SCh2Fvgot)
Having said that, replacing a CORRODING pipe is not really that big of a deal to replace. Which is way better than patching it in the long run but, again, to just fix leaks as easy as 123 a clamp with rubber is the way to go instead of jbweld. :)
All of these house repairs are not hard all the way down to fixing a phone line, refrigerator, dishwasher, microwave, HVAC system, home structure, electrical wiring, etc...jbweld does not have much value regarding repairing any of those things…. :)
I'm sure your mom/dad smacked you across the head many times and a gilrfriend did too here and there. But money the root of all evil and the solution to all evil. What I mean is that the money system works as a trade system but what is CORRUPTED it giving paper value when it cannot be backed up with mother nature goods.
I have learned that kids learn very quickly...past 20 years old their mentality is kind of engraved in their mind of their beliefs...IOW, it will take like 10 years to change their minds so they can believe something else..and this is a tactic the advertising companies do...the average human being hears a certain commercial at least 30 times a day = this type of repetitiveness works and changes the mentality of the average person (at the age 80 one will remember the advertisement of those products). Now I'm wondering who is trapped in this repetitiveness? It's obvious to me that if they ever intelligent “judges” does not mean that their “filter” is 100% correct. That is not posible so it means that outside of their filter, there can be an OU already working but their beliefs will never allow it to happen. Which is true.
Aha, who else do you know outside MarkE, TK, or MileHigh? Sorry to say that if you where to be more open minded from these guys, you would see better benefits for you! As a matter of fact, how do you benefit believing in their ideology? Have they helped you in any way? Did their beliefs benefit your life in any way?
Well thanks for seeing that I’m not a bad person which I am not, to be honest, I’m a soft guy that can be called a . I'm soft and timid but when it comes to fighting for the rights and understanding Justice, I talk back. A little thing about myself my dad use to hit me and insult me. He would hit me with a belt till the skin of my back would bleed. Of course I could not whoop him back with a belt to seek justice so I specialized in understanding his behavior. Which it all came from GREEED. Allow someone to hit you with a belt hard enough that the impact on the skin breaks it and bleeds. No big deal for me cause I went through that since very little...this is the reason that I have learned to not get abused in the future, either in the mind, or physically.
I just can't see the good side of MarkE, TK, nor MileHIgh….I just see them of saying, shut up and only listen to what I have to say. I mean MarkE is laughing at me right now as I type this. lol
The positive side about learning a lot of things is that you enjoy what you love to do, but the negative side is that you HAVE to make others understand what you have figured out. In a works of GREED this does not sit well and the greedy people like to keep the population watered down in the brain...so when someone tries to oppose “big brother” in any way, you seem like the “odd” person out while you may have lots of information to make their life better as a community...lol but just wait what MarkE, TK, and MileHigh dictate what you should be thinking about? Lol
I was impressed you wrote all of this though. I hope your masters allowed you to express more human emotions in the future?
Leave me out of your false, abusive claims. Anyone who _really_ follows my posts here will tell you that I always encourage people to do their own PROPER experimentation, to make PROPER measurements, and not to waste time and money doing USELESS tail-chasing or re-inventing the wheel.
You, on the other hand, constantly post off-topic comments, especially in this thread: Note the title of the thread, it is "supposed" to be about the Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl). That's a specific set of devices that are promoted by specific individuals. Your comments have nothing whatsoever to do with that topic, but are mostly directed at abusing those of us who do wish to discuss THAT TOPIC. I am sorry that you were abused as a child, but knowing that makes it easier to understand why you want to abuse others, if only verbally on this forum.
The only reason I responded to you is because you insulted me like you feel free like you can insult the QEG.Are you back to defending the indefensible QEG scam?
...By less fortunate do you mean the poor ravenous Robitaille clan? Their QEG claims have always been false.
All i'm saying is to stop bullying these poor QEG people that only are trying to help the less fortunate.
All of the “protestors” are talking about they worry how the people that spent some money on the project just wasted their money and that they are some type of con artists...which is kind of stupid to even say that if you understand how the mentality of Hitler or Marilyn Manson works. These poor people are just being accused HERE (by the "intelligent") for trying to help others POINT BLANK!Yeah, right.
The Robitailles managed to pull their con for the better part of two years. Now they are only able to glean table scraps.
If you are worried about people taking others peoples money with no justification, I already know that the hospitals will charge you $20 dollars for a little paper cup to give you the pills...for someone that has cancer or breaks a bone, that is $6,000 dollars on your bill just for little paper cups! These QEG people don't take advantage of you when you are about to die...and if you find it that you are trying to fight against injustice, why don't you even know about that?
TK has posted many educational videos. He does not ask for donations. For all the good work he posts, I think he should put up a Go Fund Me to pay for parts and an occasional cheeseburger.
As a mater of fact, what are you trying to teach here with your electronics? Something along the lines to save money? Or just for fun?
What are you trying to achieve with your electronics? I'm sure it has to do with making money for you only right?
This JB Weld epoxy is designed to use UNDER WATER and will set just fine under water. Many other epoxies are available that work in a similar manner, but, they are not JB Weld. I know folks that have repaired their $30,000 boat with this while the boat was still in the water. As far as I know, their boat has not sunk.
Typical "American" arrogance and hubris.
The sentiments of Boobus Americanus...
Love it or leave it. Defend it to the death.
America is the greatest and the best.
If you arent' with us you're against us.
Bringing Democracy to the World.You either made that crap up or found something on the net that seemed to be correct, so you copied it.
Why would anyone think that the US would bring "democracy' to other countries around the world when the US is not a democracy itself? See? Your post make 0 sense. The US is, and always has been, a Representative republic. It has never been a democracy. Please study some US history before making such a fool of yourself again when posting.
Also, why does love it or leave it make no sense to you? Why would you, or anyone, stay somewhere that you hate? Well...maybe you would, but a normal person would not. Do you stay in hotels that you hate? Do you eat in restaurants that you hate? Do you work at a job that you hate? Do you stay married to a woman that you hate? See? Try a little common sense next time.
Thank you,
Bill
You just can't take these type of comments serious when it comes to digging your mind in to the thinking of the “big bang”, “dark matter”, or “black holes"...lol
LULZ the BEAUTY about bill is that he is not speaking based on self experience science, he is only speaking because he “fixed” an item with jbweld and now he will never let that go cause new tricks cannot be taught to old dogs. LOL he will continue to believe that till the rest of his life.
Now, sorry bill, instead of going against new technology, you should be judging it FROM EVERY ANGLE, even if your masters don't agree, you have your own brain! LOL which sadly is just stuck on Jbweld stuff….
Show me Jbwelding something underwater? Please Bill show people how to repair a $30,000 leaky boat with under water jbweld? Then show the math and why you don't believe it is OU? Lol I'm seriously you are just picturing someone just taking bubble gum from their mouth and sticking it in the leaky crack...lol...SHOW EVIDENCE IN A COURT OF SMART PEOPLE?
Just because MarkE believes you 100% does not mean that I do (or others) bill.
Or could there be a different explanation for all the conspicuous lack of reports of success?
Maybe they just aren't using enough J-B Weld.
It has now been _two weeks_ since anyone has made a post at the "official" QEG Be-Do Forum.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/recent
You'd think that there would be many reports, by now, of successful self-running QEGs from builder groups all around the world. After all, James Robitaille, Engineering Artiste Extraordinaire, himself, has _guaranteed_ the overunity performance, if you just follow his directions.
Maybe all those successes are being suppressed by the Powers That Be, who cannot reach as far as Morocco with their evil powers of total suppression, but have no problems suppressing FE in the rest of the world.
Or could there be a different explanation for all the conspicuous lack of reports of success?
Maybe they just aren't using enough J-B Weld.
http://www.jbweld.com/products/waterweld-epoxy-putty
Joel, I was simply trying to educate you. You are the one that said no epoxy will work when wet. You stated that as if it were a fact. Now, you claim I made this up? Read the link above to see there are products that indeed set up UNDER WATER.
Quoted from the JB Weld site linked above:
"WaterWeld will plug or seal leaks and patch holes and cracks in almost anything. Ideal for repairing plumbing, fuel tanks, tub and shower, drains, pool and spa, boats and potable water tanks; setup occurs even under water. After curing, it can be drilled, tapped, filed, sanded and painted. WaterWeld has a set time of 15-25 minutes and sets hard in one hour. WaterWeld cures to an off-white color, is rated at a tensile strength of 900 PSI and will withstand temperatures up to 300ºF."
See? Just because you don't know about something does not mean it does not exist. Yes, I have used this to repair my jet ski while it was IN The Water. That means it was wet. Yes, it cured and worked just fine.
So, you can continue to think that I made all of this up and that you are correct that no epoxies can be used that set up under wet conditions...after all, that is what you claimed.
Maybe if you listened to your elders more often, you might learn something useful.
I think that is called trading one fraud for another.
How sure are you sure that you are not living in a fraudulent life?If you wish to assert that I have, I hope you have much better evidence than you have offered in defense of the Robitailles' QEG fraud.
If you wish to assert that I have, I hope you have much better evidence than you have offered in defense of the Robitailles' QEG fraud.
What other evidence do you need when you have “the big bang” theory in your face that is followed by billions of people?So that is a big no on evidence.
I have thought about it many times and they always say that “the big bang” came from this dot → . now that is the “beginning”… if you want to talk about corruption, pffft! Going against the QEG will not save many kids. In the mind of JUSTICE does not even compute what is your purpose going against them...BECAUSE one can look at the OPPOSITE of your intentions and one can see how many people have you helped?
Going against someone does not mean that you help people...it just means that your like upvotes on the internet. You will celebrate when you hit 7000 comments right? And you will do the calculations on how many fraudulent people have you taken out to save the HUMANITY of self destruction right? Well, why are you not working for NASA? = because you are probably living a fraudulent life!
Can you picture your life when you have 20,000 posts? What will you do with all that karma? How about 100,000?
You know how I know, I'm sure you have never even used Jbweld...post a video to use it?
You know how I know, explain why the sun is just sitting in the middle of space just being a sun?
Why are you so pissed Joel?The comedy here is that Joel already acknowledged that the QEG is a scam.
If the QEG works, the Juggernaut will be not able to stop it, let alone MarkE !
Don't lose sleep over it man.
Quote from: joel321 on Today at 10:20:55 AM (http://overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg459569/#msg459569)What other evidence do you need when you have “the big bang” theory in your face that is followed by billions of people?
now that is the “beginning”… if you want to talk about corruption, pffft! Going against the QEG will not save many kids. In the mind of JUSTICE does not even compute what is your purpose going against them...BECAUSE one can look at the OPPOSITE of your intentions and one can see how many people have you helped?
Going against someone does not mean that you help people..[/font]You will celebrate when you hit 7000 comments right?
So that is a big no on evidence.
Think about yourself as garbage collectors.Only you know the value, and only you can recognize potential of your years spend in "looking around"
Wesley:I did not win the lotto, I just was more educated.I could see the potential in it (while other people could possibly see the value in something like gold that was purchased cheap and now it is worth more.)
You are unique to me guys in a very special way ,The rest of people around me ......... is just crowd.
Wesley:
Can we make the machine that makes electricity for free?
Answer:
This machine already exist I have seen it and touch it and smell it and recognize it.
It is only time that is needed to overcome basic mechanism of human nature.
The greed.
http://overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg459421/#msg459421 (http://overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg459421/#msg459421)
So that is a big no on evidence.
You don't understand how climbing a ladder works in the mind do you? You climb and climb then hit a road block which you may fall and die but the climbing never stops. The QEG is just a step in the ladder to climb….BUT WAIT...what is this ladder for? To climb over a roof to repair an HVAC unit or to climb and get a cat down from a tree? Why do we need ladders in this life? Are you climbing a ladder yourself or do you like to stay put static?LOL, you are shooting blanks trying to defend the QEG scam.
We have two things going on here with your “intelligence” 1)you want a QEG for free spoon fed 2)you don't understand corruption, which your stance for that is that the QEG is corrupted...so doing the math, your ladder does not make sense….if you want to find JUSTICE against corruption, how do you feel about this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Sheindlin
Basically judge judy makes 45 million a year BUT only works for 52 days (imagine how much money the producers are making and the CEO?)…..explain the logic and justification regarding that justice and well being for the people, NOW, and this is important, COMPARE the injustice of her earnings with the “earnings” of the QEG?
Sometimes you need to get out of your bubble bro :P
I know your next response won't be that intellectual regarding real life scenarios, but it is what it is the truth of all ladders always prevails :)
You don't understand how climbing a ladder works in the mind do you? You climb and climb then hit a road block which you may fall and die but the climbing never stops. The QEG is just a step in the ladder to climb….BUT WAIT...what is this ladder for? To climb over a roof to repair an HVAC unit or to climb and get a cat down from a tree? Why do we need ladders in this life? Are you climbing a ladder yourself or do you like to stay put static?
We have two things going on here with your “intelligence” 1)you want a QEG for free spoon fed 2)you don't understand corruption, which your stance for that is that the QEG is corrupted...so doing the math, your ladder does not make sense….if you want to find JUSTICE against corruption, how do you feel about this?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Sheindlin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Sheindlin)
Basically judge judy makes 45 million a year BUT only works for 52 days (imagine how much money the producers are making and the CEO?)…..explain the logic and justification regarding that justice and well being for the people, NOW, and this is important, COMPARE the injustice of her earnings with the “earnings” of the QEG?
Sometimes you need to get out of your bubble bro :P
I know your next response won't be that intellectual regarding real life scenarios, but it is what it is the truth of all ladders always prevails :)
Please get real here. Either you do not know how real business works or, you are just trying to act stupid. Judge Judy does not hold a gun to anyone's head to get paid what she gets. She gets ratings, which are closely monitored, and her pay is based upon that. The producers sell advertising based upon these rates. So, she earns her pay. If only 3 people watched her show...she would be fired. They are not paying her this money because they like her. She makes money for them, a lot of money.
Please take a remedial business class before making any more posts like this one. Business is business. You will call it greed. But, how many folks that work on her set are getting paid and have a job? The advertisers make money also, otherwise they would not do it. So, all of the folks that work for those companies also get paid. They can all feed their families. Do you not want them to do that? Do you want everyone to be unemployed?
This is coming from a guy that works TWO jobs to put food on the table and is all set and done with social security pay checks? :P
Plus, you don't understand how advertising commercials work since they are there to brain wash you to the point that you don't know what is right and what is wrong...you just keep on buying and buying you figuring out what works and what is just a bunch of HYPE to make a profit. Remember ShamWow?
Bill, you need to differentiate between what is writen on paper and what is the real life scenarios. Which right now you are trying very hard to make someone understand that your BELIEFS are the ULTIMATE 100% to follow but the LADDER does not make sense in the climbing your mental path!
Why are you not making 4 mill (or 1 mill) a year by working only two month a year? As a matter of fact, you can't see the MEDIA manipulation in that example! There is no justice in that? That is just taking advantage of a loop hole which a lot of greeedy people take advantage off...again, why do you work two jobs to put food on the table if you understand what is going on there? :P
Let me guess, you want to be told that you are right to get chocolate chip cookies and a glass of milk? = selfish (unable to look at different ladders in the world = equality truth!)
I have no idea what you are talking about Joel. I receive no money from the government...social security or otherwise. Where do you get these ideas of yours? I make as much money as I want/need.
What do you mean...."written on paper"? Are you still insisting that JB Weld will not work underwater because they claim it does? What part of I have used it underwater before do you not understand?
I am going to give up on you Joel. Profits to you are evil yet, the profit motive is what has brought ALL of the great advances of our society. All of them. Someone invented and marketed and sold the toilet paper that you use. Should they have done that for free? Why would they? Should the hard working folks at the toilet paper factory also work for free? What sort of dream world do you live in Joel? You need toilet paper so, all of those folks should work for free...is that it Joel? Is this really how you look at life?
I feel very, very sad for you. Just look around at the products that you use and tell me which ones would still be available if no one made any money for thinking of them, producing them, and selling them. Should they all have done so for free just so you can use them? Now it is you that sound greedy Joel. I mean, really, you want all of these people to work for nothing just so you can have free products? What I like to call "The real world" does not work like this Joel. Maybe one day you can learn this.
Just like I predicted LOLNow you have lowered your rhetoric to personal attack. Nice. Through all of this you have offered no evidence, (because there isn't any) that the QEG claims of either Thrapp, or the Robitailles are true. They claim, they collect money, they eventually go away. They never deliver.
me: “I know your next response won't be that intellectual regarding real life scenarios “
you: “you are shooting blanks trying to defend the QEG scam .”
MarkE so predictable...which makes me think, what type of ladder is this guy climbing in a real life reality? hehehehe
WHAT is your HopeGuy? = based on your intelligence you should be able to prescribe a pill to save money to any person being robbed by big brother? Right?
just tell me how much you make an hour?
the difference between peak watts VS RMS watts in a speaker,
tell me how the money system works?I do not know.
you need to understand that GREEED puts a price on everything and anything….to learn something = pay money. To get electricity = pay money. To eat food, pay money. To buy a piece of land, pay money.Very true.
How many property taxes are you paying for your dirt property?I do not understand the question, What is dirt property.
I'm just the type of person that goes straight to the root!I'm not.
I’m sure you are not living a 100% happy life with money!Yes I do not live happy life with money. Very few people does. World progress is based on that unhappiness.
I'm sure you don't have $30,000 US dollars in the bank?
I thought how my response would look like, if I was to answer the questions by myself.
It is always better to be paid for your brain power than for your muscles power.
"root mean square.": A DC voltage that will produce the same heating effect (power output in Watts) as the AC voltage. For a sine wave, the RMS value is equal to 0.707 times the peak value of an AC voltage. Example: divide Peak-to-Peak by 2 (or in half) and multiple by 0.707 = RMS voltage.
speaker's power rating - is just thermal rigidity- how much AC over time can coil withhold before it gets damaged.
peak watts :
that confusing term is not specified enough.
Peak stands for maximum amplitude in given time frame.
Peak power stands for maximum voltage times current in time frame( frequency of given shape of the impulse is based on time frame)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKJckyqo0vc - might help a little (but the guy talks just to to average Joe)
wattsPMPO (peak music power output) - no international standards set. commercially used B.S just forget about it.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/everything-rich-man-trick/
The money is mechanism pushing you to work.
Thanks to that mechanism world is progressing for benefit of wealthy.
You guys get only illusion of better life. For rich you are nobody special.
Just like hammer that is not being disposed as long as there is application, or no other solution was invented.
Greed is a future of human race and human as individual.
Does anyone from you, need to be pointed by someone else finger at your deficiencies ?
Yes I do not live happy life with money. Very few people does.
Thank you for the link.
Now aside from that, I would really like to buy tweeters made from this technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device)
if only the qeg wasn't a scam.
a medically dysfunctional group set themselves dedicated to focusing on disinformation in the name of their own criminally motivated profits,
and willing to walk all over then wipe their feet on the most poor and neediest in order to reach their goals. (morroccan well pump in poor town never installed, yet)
Thank you for the link.
I know most if not all about physics behind it.
I was not aware about extend of possible applications.
I believe that injuring people hearing permanently is crime,
There is no judicial form of punishment in modern world to be compared to Hammurabi law-Babylonian law.
Thank you for the link.
I know most if not all about physics behind it.
I was not aware about extend of possible applications.
I believe that injuring people hearing permanently is crime,
There is no judicial form of punishment in modern world to be compared to Hammurabi law-Babylonian law.
These people/ methods are savages
Wesley
wow, the hammurabi law would not allow for much time spent between taking care of business and letting scamming theives try to run their coarse. perhaps they were a little extreme in their forms of punishment, some of them downright brutal.
never the less, they probably did not have too many scammers willing to act so boldly as the qeg team back in that era.
though maybe installing 10 wells in 10 different poor peoples towns would not be such a bad idea after all as a form of restitution.
In so many different FE devices coming from so many different regions there is some pattern visible to train eye of one skilled in general art of it.Many claims come. All of the claims to date have gone without a single one proving true. Quantity of claims is no measure of truth or falsity of claims. If you don't believe that, I can readily connect you with many self professed corrupt Nigerian bank officials looking to move security cases of money in Amsterdam.
Joe Newman is infamous for his claimed but not actual over unity devices. A few years ago he was performing silly demonstrations in supermarket parking lots to people who don't understand batteries.
Russia and former Soviet Empire Countries.:
Kapanadze like device.
or one of three concept devices known as electrostatic
Three different concept directions in FE.
1 electrostatic
2. magnetic
3. Nuclear
FE (Free Energy) is known also under the name OU (overunity devices)
South America and North America is mostly
1 electrostatic as well.
however different forms of magnetic concept : e.g. Joseph Newman have been present here as well.
Talk is cheap. Devise an energy source that is actually cheaper and/or cleaner than what exists and the world can be your oyster then.
Europe is just "unknown gender"
Africa and most of Asia is chronically " castrated" ( sterilized, fix) in area of FE.
concept 3 Nuclear has a history from Harrison 1924 to Colman 1956 starting from 1901 by implementing par of Thomas Edison patent of pencil battery.
I have made summary of it in video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Cvm_0XEjg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Cvm_0XEjg)
made in three different languages.
In life of many of us there is a chance to get ugly wealthy in no time.
I have got the chance once I have lost it due to my stupid ideological spinal cord.
Perfect deal to me to Arunas and to Aidas.
Exactly what you guys waiting for.
Exactly one hundred mill. of euro, and I did not have to be traitor to the values I respect.
I have lost it because I believed that Tariel Kapanadze has priority in art and he should be beneficiary of the offer.
Generous payer was just big company who makes money on sale of news, and not on devices and manufacturing.
Fricken Kapanadze is just waste life, who never deserves such glory.
Yes he is first who introduced electrostatic device to the world in this extend.
Yes his device works.
other than that just another alcoholic with very limited horizons.
was I able to reverse a time. I would never redirect attention of interested media to TK.
TK would never be elected to the honor of being the hero for the world.
What a shame.
TK- Having perfect tool in your hands and blow it all.
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I'm playing with #3.
it is also easy to discourage people saying it is nuclear.
Most of you and rest of the crowd does not even know what is radioactivity. and that their kitchen salt is radioactive, or their granite countertop or floor is radioactive.
Rich man politics made you to be afraid instead of understanding radioactivity and nuclear processes .
Acid battery in your car can be more dangerous than Colman.
There is a trick however.
I'm untouchable in this area.
Physics says that frequency of 300-500MHz has to low energetic potential in eV to make photon of Electromagnetic Wave to affect matter as to alter it in its nuclear form.
From the other hand I fall into the category of another lunatic dealing with FE.
Government can not punish lunatics.
So I do work slowly and the progress is unknown and unspecified for trolls and other people because of that ...........as for now.
Wesley
Many claims come. ................
All of the claims to date have gone without a single one proving true.
Quantity of claims is no measure of truth or falsity of claims.
Joe Newman is infamous for his claimed but not actual over unity devices. A few years ago he was performing silly demonstrations in supermarket parking lots to people who don't understand batteries.
Talk is cheap. Devise an energy source that is actually cheaper and/or cleaner than what exists and the world can be your oyster then.
When you were at the demonstration in Georgia, did anyone walk around outside and pull the all circuit breakers/fuses to Tariel's whole house?Demonstration was not in the house but in garage that was on the same street around few hundred meters from TK apartment.
Fool me around is next to impossible.
I'm just to good in it.
Can it be that there is magician who is able to do so and I would not be able to detect it?
The answer is :
The chance is as slim as me being hit by meteor in the same fashion as this one.
It is exactly this arrogant attitude that makes you so easy to fool.
You are "so good in it"... you have all your equipment and all your experience, and you've been exposed to all these "self runners" personally, and you've explained them all ... yet you have never made one yourself. It's not too hard for objective observers to figure out why you haven't been successful.
So the demonstration took place in a garage rather than in someone's shared home ... that doesn't answer my question and you know it. Did you bother to _remove all power to the garage_? How can you be so sure? You can't.
Dear.TinselKoala
Your drill in your house is not connected to the grid and It does not work.........
Did you manage to disconnect electricity in your own house to make sure that your drill still will not work and to make sure that it will not start for some reason to work........
yet you have never made one yourself.Tell me how many airplane mechanics examining airplane for its functional performance have build
yet you have never made one yourself.Let's say you questioning random professional in magnetic about the LexusHoverboard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08pSoZMUT10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08pSoZMUT10)
From Wesley to TinselKoala :
What sentence is more polite to you?
sentence #1:Man you need to fly really very high to shoot me down..
sentence #2:Man I suggest you to fly really very high altitude with me.
Fool me around is next to impossible.
I'm just to good in it.
Can it be that there is magician who is able to do so and I would not be able to detect it?
The answer is :
The chance is as slim as me being hit by meteor in the same fashion as this one.
Wesley
Wesley,
I admire your confidence. 8)
Maybe you've been face to face with a very good one.
Turk was a patent attorney who was so sure that TK device works that he decided to make international patent application and pay all of the fee required from his own packet , in exchange for TK assigning 50% of future profit from any future activity of TK to Mr. Turk.
Mr Turk was close to TMZ team but independent.
He was hired at first to examine possibility of patent to be made to TMZ.
After TMZ money was gone he decided to deal with TK on his own.
Example:The reason I'm giving you all of that details is to show you:
I was poisoned by the same entity that TK was dealing with (30k euro) From Riga Latvia.
They have been the guys who payed for TK and his crew expenses. (accommodation and trip from Riga Latvia to Prague , hotel Opera for (2 out of 3 guys)
It was their way to control TK as every single bank transaction must of be first approved, every time TK ask for money.
Riga guys did not have problem to pay TK expenses but they did not want for TK to have money on hand so they did not pay TK before the project is finished.
typical Russian way to keep TK dependent.
TK friends:
TK always have had few guys with him called "Friends".( usually heavy drinkers as well)
they supposed to be TK friends but some of them accepted Lima's money to spy on TK as well.That is how information on my trip to Prague was delivered to them.
TK ( alcoholic) suppose to meet american (Wesley) However if Wesley does not come there was another Czech business guy that never showed up.( I have spoken to him later on he said that TK was impossible to deal with in his alcoholic amok at that time.)
So I was poisoned only to be eliminated as " possible cause of interference" ( based on testimony of Koba nick name David - one of TK crew of 3 He was later on paid by me and decided to give me inside of How that big Riga's chocolate business works - easy to find name , to big to be not found)
That was enough for Russian to evaluate me as to be killed.
They have been professionals in sweat food manufacturing .QuoteI was not yet interfering with their businesses.
I Was just approaching TK for the first time.
and let me stress it again:
That was enough for them to decide about my life or death.
That was also big expense to Riga's company
"of sweet taste murderers" Guys fallowing me in Prague, guy in the airplane poisoning food, guys in airport trying to stop me from flying back (24h delay I was rejected entry by crew of that terminal as I was " to late in gate".)
It turns out that this particular terminal crew did not coordinated in their action, with airport administration, And that explains why everyone from them have been so nervous when dealing with me.( It could be action on their own just known to some guys from that terminal)
However 24 hours later even that I was one of first passengers at the luggage deposit of airlines downstairs, trying to get to the gate, There was a person in uniform , who spot me before I was able to get to the cashier. She ask me for passport while I was still in line, and than put sticker to my passport directing me to immediately live the line and go upstairs.
In the gate I was taken to special control room ( opposite to the gate tunnel entrance) where 3 people have been holding me till the very end .QuoteWhile I was there, I have noticed again that all of them are very stressed and that is unlikely to be noticed in regular airport crew members behavior.I start to protest (using argument of contacting with american authorities) and that made them even more nervous, I was watching examinator hands, and telling him that planting anything into my suitcase will be very foolish move.
Eventually I was allowed at very last moment to go out of the room, and than the lady next to the plane entrance who was not aware of anything got invalid scan on my passport and ticket.
I protested again and she said sorry , she just let me in..as if it was not working properly scanner...
While I was inside the plane I was on american territory and that was just to much for Russian entity to deal with in in such a short time.
http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US3913004
A colleague has got this working.
It is the real reactive power machine.
Eat your heart out Hope Girl scammers.
I advise you to really study the patent.
Wesley any one reading this TK saga will not understand the methods that humans are capable of real evil..
Chocolate is toxic to dogs...
so is the element polonium ingested as russians have done away with state opponents..
public forum is public and informants are here, as a person of interest TK is always being watched...
cash money machines will be defended to the death .... oil, gas, nuclear power, etc...life sucks for most people..
Great account of " your trip" as I have been following this now since you bought your lab equipment, Polish
scientists are the best, my father was also just such a man... r.I.p. 2015
Acca...
sorry to hear about your loss.
you're dad sounds like he was one of the coolest parents ever.
he sure was and still is a good influence for his kids.
Acca my father was a teacher he is now 84 and he is not so well.
I wish you the best.
ya those scammers hopegirl and her dedicated non scientist little team. misinformation 'specialists' such as ones that keep showing up here to ask gb weld questions mixed with direct insults in this qeg forum.
the ones that were not scammers, were the ones who tried to exactly copy the so called 'open source' plans.
those people deserve a medal for effort. the ones that were not scammers tried their best with what information they had.
those are the people who mean well, not the scammers.
are you saying you have a friend who has been able to get over 100% efficiency?
and he did so by only following the 1975 patent in the link you provided?
sounds impressive! is he going to allow a respectable 3rd party tester to verify it just before people that mean well rush out to order building supplies?
that would be great!
First of all...it is JB Weld, not gb weld. Second of all, what do you have against JB Weld? It actually works and is not a scam like the QEG folks.
Misinformation?
HopeGirl takes the cake (not implying anything about her weight here) for that title.
I have never posted any misinformation anywhere at any time. If you think otherwise, please show me where you think I have done so. Please use actual quotes and dates when you do this.
Thank you.
Bill
PS If you were not referring to me, then I apologize. I have been touting the greatness of JB Weld but, that was only in response to Joel who likes to throw things away and buy new instead of fixing them, and thinks he is smart by doing so.
oops, spelling error.
JB Weld.
oh no appology needed, i could not direct my criticism towards you good sir.
you are a good person, rather than use your skills to take advantage of people, you choose to help guide them, and you've been doing so on here without asking for a dime.
with your conscience very much intact, you sleep nights knowing you are not a bad person.
making as a good role model, you give the troubled youth a better direction to venture toward.
they too can develop their own conscience towards others outside of their present narrow scope.
and you are doing a much better job of it than i ever could. please continue! =)
all the best
Did anyone noticed how MarkE...All I know about MarkE is that he has a lot of posts here.
– sound waves can bend light.
--Neutrinos can pass through the most human known dense objects (even through diamonds?).
--The black holes can disintegrate all matter.yes however that is theoretical assumption
[/size]yes however that is theoretical assumption and drifts with time, to new[/size] however that is theoretical assumption.[/size]
--the universe came from a “big bang”.
--A magnetic field needs an unbalance of magnetic fields to attract each other.gush...
An electron spin s = 1/2 is an intrinsic property of electrons. ... atoms directed through an inhomogeneous magnetic field would be forced into two beamsI have made explanation but in Russian language while I tried to correct Akula
Electrons have intrinsic angular momentum characterized by quantum number 1/2.
In the pattern of other quantized angular momenta, this gives total angular momentum
z-component of the angular momentum.
causes an energy splitting because of the magnetic moment of the electron
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/spin.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/spin.html).
--our neurons in the brain are driven by electric pulses that carry a code (who can comprehend this?).
--ETC….ETC…
Man I'm not good in biology or bio-processes.I know as much as you there.We are operating our processes with electrical impulses mostly .
But yes that is general knowledge in it.
One just needs to look at the past and present to understand how the puzzle comes together with out ANYONE having to tell you how the whole puzzle comes together. And this is NOT and easy thing to do in a modern world where the young/old are manipulated by the media and the repetitiveness till you get tired of fighting for what is truth.
Now to this point, with very expensive equipment, do you think, MarkE, that Neutrinos are the ULTIMATE sub atomic particle that is out there? Or are there even more in the lower of the ladder under the neutrino? Elementary stuff in the thinking...hard for those that like to SEE to believe. :P
[/size]To put it in perceptive, we are still discovering deep ocean creatures/animals from the deep see in the year 2015, now multiply the abyss of the ocean with the abyss with the universe….lol….cop>+ all around an exploding star.
All I know about MarkE is that he has a lot of posts here.
He might be smart guy.
I do not know, can not tell.
Sound are waves of higher and lower densities in the air.
You never bend light.
You just change path of photon.the closest term more o less correct will be "deflect" ( change of direction by interposing something; turn aside from a straight course.)
We are made mostly from vacuum
yes however that is theoretical assumption
yes however that is theoretical assumption and drifts with time, to new[/size] however that is theoretical assumption.[/size]
cow needs the cow out of control to be attractive to the cow......... kind of weird isn't it?
I would explain it different..
spin of electron is origin of magnetic field:
We are here because we need to know more and eventually benefit from that
If you understand how social humans work, there are a lot that follow the “group”...Yes* ( read explanation of *)
meaning even if he may be correct in a lot of things as a lone individual, he will still follow the crowd as to not stand out or to not get singled out.
It is the crowd known as:
prestigious or
leading or
smarter in area of science.
It goes all the way up as serious as loosing their jobs for going against the NORM.Yes it is fear (known also as discomfort of non-uniformity with the crowd driven to become temporary standard by stronger fraction, or by the ruler )
It does not matter how you say it, LIGHT MUST CURVE!.No it will not .
[/size]So you are telling me that light is a perfect straight line through all matter?Yes
Even water bends light...even a mirror reflects lightexplanation of word BEND picture below.
.Yes only when it comes to straight line alteration of direction to another straight line form of continuity (or continuation)
Changing the “path” of a photon is bending.
[/size]No such thing as bending photon.
Bending a photon itself is some other type of phenomena.
.. in particular, the photon model accounted for the frequency dependence of light's energy,
and explained the ability of matter and radiation to be in thermal equilibrium.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_equilibrium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_equilibrium)
But maybe I don't understand light that much. How do you explain fiber optic cable bending?photon moves in straight light only
I mean photons bouncing around the cable but still bending? LIGHT BENDS...will it go straight in a black hole?
From what I can understand the neutrinos pass through all KNOWN matter.
BUT WHAT I CAN PREDICT IS THAT THEY REFLECT TOO just like there is a mirror to a laser light.
This reflection = curving. Which means 100% light curves OR REFLECTS in a controlled manner.
some of properties:
Neutrino oscillation is a quantum mechanical phenomenon whereby a neutrino created with
a specific lepton flavor (electron, muon or tau) can later be measured to have a different flavor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_oscillation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_oscillation).
Can a neutrino undergo elastic collision with a particle participating in weak interaction, such as an electron, a nucleon, or other lepton or a hadron,
such that the direction of neutrino movement changes by 180 degrees?
If yes, what is the direction of the neutrino spin relative to its direction of movement before and after the collision?
What is the direction of neutrino spin relative to outside frame of reference before and after collision?
Can a neutrino be reflected by a pi meson, seeing that the pi meson has no spin and therefore cannot change it?
Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/can-neutrinos-be-reflected.815765/ (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/can-neutrinos-be-reflected.815765/)
such that the direction of neutrino movement changes by 180 degrees?
No. The probability for exactly 180 degrees is zero.
The probability for around 180 is very low. This is just Rutherford scattering.
Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/can-neutrinos-be-reflected.815765 (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/can-neutrinos-be-reflected.815765)/
Well yeah that is theoretical but the smartest people in the world believe in them.Yes I explained crowd behavior at very top of article.
And, to be honest, they may be correct but, to me, a black hole could only seem black
because they believe the black is nothing there where it could just be another type of star that is outside the light spectrum of our eye sight.
http://www.crystalinks.com/black_holes.htmlinteresting article I must read it too.
we cannot detect black holes by light that is emitted or reflected
It has been proven that an mantis shrimp sees more colors than a human eye
How about teaching the school kids about multiverses or invisibility? All of that dark matter must have
STRAIGHT RAYS OF LIGHT GOING THROUGH IT EEHHH!
invisibility is the state of an object that cannot be seen. An object in this state is said to be invisible (literally, "not visible").
Two teams of scientists worked separately to create two "Invisibility Cloaks" from 'metamaterials' engineered at the nanoscale level.that information is incorrect.
They demonstrated for the first time the possibility of cloaking three-dimensional (3-D) objects
with artificially engineered materials that redirect radar, light or other waves around an object.
Now, what is making those photons look dark? :Plack of photons
It is 100% fact that a magnet is not 100% balanced...or should I say, the magnetic fields
correlated to the N and S are not 100% balanced...you can call those “legs”.
Can you think of a magnet as ATOM and the atoms magnetic fields? Same thing, just understand that a magnet has two nucleus.
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All I am saying is that the ROOT of “renewable energy” comes from the big bang and THAT we have not discovered 100%
all anymals in the abyss of the oceans to TRY TO GET FAT HEADED
again the phrase is:So that was always true and always will be.
We know not enough .......... to be able to benefit from what we do not know as of yet.[/size]
One single person telling me that there are no aliens in this world while they don't know 100%
all animals in this world? Lol I don't think you know how DEEP I'm thinking :P
Stivep,We discussed so many other things
Everything that you are telling me seems like you do agree with me but at the same time you disagree with me hehehe.
Like bending of light – somehow you are trying to tell me that light cannot bend while at the same time you give me answers that suggest that light does bend.
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IF you think about a laser beam, say, 3mm wide, are not the photons inside the 3mm laser beam bouncing around?
Or ARE ALL photons in the laser going 100% straight in all directions?
If the photons bounce around a light beam, that means that light bends period.
All known human mater bends...rocks, air, glass, plastic, diamonds, human bones, etc bend...ALL matter has a percentage how much they can bend but they all BEND!
It just has too since a photon has to pass through a lot of sub atomic particles. Like,
for example, a light beam going through glass, the clear glass is made of sub atomic particles,
so it has density to keep it's structure...if a photon just goes 100% STRAIGHT
through a piece of glass, how can the photon go through it straight if the glass gas mass?
this one might be little difficult to youbut
Interactions of Photons with Matter
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/nuclear-engineering/22-01-introduction-to-ionizing-radiation-fall-2006/lecture-notes/energy_dep_photo.pdf (http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/nuclear-engineering/22-01-introduction-to-ionizing-radiation-fall-2006/lecture-notes/energy_dep_photo.pdf)
this one will not be difficult to you:
http://www.sprawls.org/ppmi2/INTERACT/ (http://www.sprawls.org/ppmi2/INTERACT/)
Now think how light CANNOT go thought a solid object while sound WAVES CAN!
Sound is a Pressure Wave. Sound is a mechanical wave that results from the back and forth vibration of the particles ofsound wave can move mass without any conversion , while electromagnetic wave can not.
the medium through which the sound-wave is moving.
If you think about the sun producing light, why is the ball of light 360 degrees and not a square? :P
You also have to think in the math and in the brain how black holes BEND LIGHT too.we spoke about it already
But you also have to ask yourself WHAT CREATES BLACK HOLES? And where are the sound waves around the sun?
WHAT CREATES A PHOTON? And does a PHOTON by itself glow in the middle of darkness? IOW, there are no photons in dark spaces?
So that means an over-unity device exists INSIDE the earth, but outside the universe since the universe is
more COP>+ than the earths COP>+…
I mean how does energy work COP←…..that's just 100% truth. There is a COP>+ in order to keep on living via the GIVEN resources
(returnables) from the earth.
Many people, just want to “debate” about their two cents BUT the truth is always there :)
...the truth has road blocks too just like a photon does too?
Wikipedia:
eye can·dy
noun
informal
visual images that are superficially attractive and entertaining but intellectually undemanding.
But what I'm telling you is that light does not bend.
Photons of x-ray have lower frequency than gamma.
Photons of x-ray easily interact with orbital electrons
Photons of X-ray brakes nuclear bonds.
Photons of visible light "can do no harm"
Photons of UV light "can do harm" but can not brake nuclear bonds.
The two types of waves have common descriptor "wave". other than that they are different so much
that " they can not communicate" and they can not be compared to "serve" our discussion,
that has nothing to do with photon and it belongs to different group of subjects discussed.It takes me to much time to go there and explain it.
overunity OU does not exist and never existed
This cannot be true based on all that we know so far. The 100% fact is light curves inside a curved string of glass or a curved string of clear plastic (like I mentioned the optic cable).
How does the optic cable is able to bend the light beam?
do you actually believe that there are no “optic cables” in the galaxy…
One sometimes believes that humans “invent” something when it is just a lie, they don't INVENT anything, they just LEARN from what they see.
How are you 100% sure that light does not bend in space?
You do understand perception right?
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If you look up at a star, it looks like it is “glowing” like if it is blinking...that right there means light bends.
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wait a minute, this is why the galaxy looks like its swirling. Light DISIPATES all around…..as a mater of fact light is like a sound wave...
the ONLY reason a laser beam goes straight is because MIRRORS are used to FOCUS the
intensity towards one area but this is the same like speakers, WiFi antennas, etc. light does BEND period LETS NOT CONFUSE IT WITH the speed.
I'm not talking about the speed.
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What instruments did you use to see a photon?
[/size]Do photons die? Or do they keep going in a “straight” line for ever?
hehehehe you are the master of all known waves. And you know 100% with out a doubt that sounds waves do not communicate with light waves just because you said it.= lol just another guy passing by on his high horse.
the Over Unity name changes, the truth REMAINS THE SAME! lol
sound wave is longitudinal ( pressure wave)
Electromagnetic Wave is longitudinal and is not seen as pressure wave, however
you may find term "electromagnetic pressure" in physics.
for simplicity we are skip this property as it is not important as a factor.
some of them have nice stereo speakers even.
light can not be bend so the rest of discussion exactly related to "light bend" in nonsense .
it does not I explained it in the picture and link but you keep asking questions instead of reading and viewing simple picture that is in front of your eye and does not require from you even to click on the link.
however in intergalactic distances we might see "light curvature "
no light does not dissipate as matter, light collides with matter and is most likely changed to heat.Light does dissipate...hmm...just like the difference between a 20 lumen flashlight VS a 1000lumen flashlight...the light coming out of a 20 lumen flashlight will dissipate faster than a 1000lumen one?
what kind of photon?
Photon can be created or destroyed under certain conditions,
all "I know is that I know nothing."
there is no magic, and for many of scientists, there is no God.
From the perspective of a photon, there is no such thing as time.
there’s zero time elapsed between when it’s emitted and when it’s absorbed again.
It doesn’t experience distance either. Light does not bend it's just an illusion.
Living cells have DNA a Photon has nothing to do with DNA or white blood cells, your mixing things up!
I meant “DNA” GLOBALY not just in the blood strands. Once a photon is living, it will experience TIME….in the DNA conscious. They consciousness may be more advance than our brains... HECK! They are the ingredients of our brains consciousness since we can only understand things via electric pulses in the brain.
Just because you cannot comprehend the “photon” “DNA” does not mean that it does not have one...that is just an opinion coming from a person that has “DNA” blood whom may not even know how to repair an A/C (air conditioning unit) system.
The “photon” must experience time weather it likes it or not. NOT in the time we are familiar with 12hr/24hr clock but by a microscopic second compared to our clocks experienced of time. HECK our time is INVISABLE compare to a “photons” time!!!! (hense why our thinking of time is invisable to a phtons wrist watch) a photon passing our clock/time in the Galaxy is more like .000000000000000000000000000000000001 of a second. BUT if we where to be human photons we would “feel” see their time!!! PLEASE TELL ME THAT YOU FEEL THAT YOUR BODY IS GOING ROTATING AT 1000MPH SITTING iN A CHAIR?
Stivep, I think all the evidence gathered to a singularity ONLY point to that it is TRUE. And the ONLY thing that is getting in the way is GREEED. Therefore there is such a nature law to gather energy from the air...as well from the water, sun light, maybe even sound waves coming in from outer space BUT the ONLY conclusion is that FREEE is the root energy.
I have seen 100% proof with out a shadow of a doubt that poverty in the world can be eradicated with just 30 billion dollars, to the top riches in the world, that is pocket change….BUT the ULTIMATE 100% is that poverty can be eradicated. The ONLY reason they don't do that is because poverty is what makes them money (or wars).
On the other side of the token, the poor people are ingenious in coming up with solutions. And this is part of EVOLUTION which means, the poor people are the most intelligent than the rich since the rich are at the top because they rob the ideas of the poor. This can be debated all around but the truth is 100% that the greatest minds come from the poorest people. This is why their will be a sixth great extinction! This extinction will remove the corruption and a new era will continue where hopefully and GREEEDY life does not born, but if it does, their will be another extinction.
The GREEED is what is stopping us at least 100 years of evolution….we could be all flying UFOs like nothing...simple no big deal….but we are all kept in the dark by those OLD GREEDY, IN THE FAMILY, PEOPLE! I have worked for many companies to know that morality does not play a role….GREEED is what dictates the income. And in a society of GREEED those that have more money are like GODs. Those that can understand what the rich people do are poor outcast people that are labeled as loony, or, if it has not been done, it is not real...lol
Stivep, open your eyes and make a machine yourself once and for all! Stop living in the DOUBT and just make one….there are sooooooooo many mandatory regulations that you will not become rich if you find a better way to harness the FREEE energy….this also goes allllll the way down to WiFi technology….the WiFi signal stregth could be had for miles if it was down to the 900MHZ because the lower frequency waves travel through solids while the higher don't – 2.4GHz.
In my honest opinion, based on alllll of the evidence, we do have an OU device out there BUT it will NEVER be SOLD due to the regulations. THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE IT COME TO LIGHT IS TO MAKE IT OPEN SOURCE! Then we will all enjoy the FREEE energy while at the same time, bring down the stock exchange… plus put pressure on the “higher people” that we cannot be treated as DUMB people any longer?
That is regarding GREEED, Now going back to the BENDING OF LIGHT, the light has to bend! Even bullets curve when they are shot into space. Shoot a bullet around the earth and it will curve and then shoot out in to space? This is OLD news!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z99El4pjUc4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z99El4pjUc4)
question:
if anyone wants to put doubts into it.....
first answer why someone went through all of that problems with patents and expenses of it too.
just the patent as complicated as paper clip costs around 10k
Wesley
Looks likes it is from an not greedy american company,
More than 25 years of experience in everything but what is holding them from releasing?
I'm sure they must have had many 100mill offers over the years?
I have seen 100% proof with out a shadow of a doubt that poverty in the world can be eradicated with just 30 billion dollars, to the top riches in the world, that is pocket change….BUT the ULTIMATE 100% is that poverty can be eradicated. The ONLY reason they don't do that is because poverty is what makes them money (or wars).
Joel, you are dreaming. Guess how much money the US has spent in an attempt to wipe out poverty? This is money spent in the US to fight US poverty since the war on poverty began in the 1960's.
Are you ready?
30 TRILLION dollars...that trillion, not billion. The reason that has not worked, nor will it ever work is that if you pay someone to stay home
and not work yet they still have a house, food, money, cell phone, clothes, etc. they will take the money and stay home. They will not even try to improve themselves at all. History has shown this time and time again. We are now 4 generations into families that never try to find work, they just take the government money which...comes from the taxpayers as the government has no money.
The sad part about this is, this system of paying folks to stay home (I am talking about able bodies folks here) is that you rob them of their humanity. They do not contribute to society and have never even tried to reach their potential. It is a sin. If you don't work, you don't eat. That is the way it used to be, and that worked a lot better than handing out 30 TRILLION dollars so folks can sit at home, drink beer and watch cable that the working man can not afford.
Oh, and your bullet in space theory is also wrong as...if you fire a bullet and it curves around the earth due to gravity, it will never just "shoot out" and go into space. it would have to accelerate to over 25,000 mph which is earth's gravity escape velocity. I have never heard of a bullet going that fast.
Anything that escapes the earths gravitational pull will speed up in to the dark matter. This is how ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the satellites in to space GATHER their momentum! ALLLL satellites that go to outer space USE this you dumbo! Lol….it does not need explanation for those who are satellite engineers. Let me guess, you want people to teach you so you can say “thank you”!!! Which is what it looks like when ever you speak/write. o.0
Stivep, who is TK?
Dear scratchrobot...................... I like your comment here is some response:
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In our case:
The chance was given the time clock was set.
the team decided to redirect it to TK
TK did not responded in time frame
The offer is gone.
The yoke experiment was released to the public
The public did not do much about it.
The possible side effects have been significantly pointed.
That is all story
Personality:
I'm no different to many of you guys.
I have nothing against money.
I did what I did , in hope that TK can give out ready big power device without need of working on it.
I thought that with TK I can make money as well
I thought that without TK I can make money as well as I'm the closest to TK.
I thought that TK device does not have side effects I experienced.
I thought that government can not stop the device that does not give any side effects and with Yoke device They could.
I thought that TK is not such a drunk and idiot he was.
I thought that entity that made an offer will choose me as presenter and translator as TK is incapable of being one.
I thought that by making TK release his secrets to the public I can make for him what no one seem to be able to make.[/size]
Patent!!!
I'm against patents in this area,
but TK demanded patent.
The patent story:
in 2008 Mr.Turk patent attorney (very talented Turkish) prepared
patent application to TK in exchange for 50% of future profits from sale of technology.
The patent application is done so good that no one can patent electrostatic concept device any longer.Unless the law is corrupted.
That was part of my plan to convince TK plus TK gets 100% of the money from the entity.
Temptation of TK was big to me, but how can you Tempt the Drunk?
when he is less drunk or more drunk.?
Unfortunately to TK his application was placed in perpetual motion machines category and patent was not issued.
I explained to TK that if he give it for free than number of people replicating device will be the prove of concept.
The application than could be reinstated.
My plan was that in exchange for my help TK will sign written agreement that device will have single licence for single family free of charge.
All commercial entities must pay licencing fee.
Including me if I decide to become one.
Now I thought TK must be happy.
He is going to get his patent and have money and independence and be celebrity.
He was to simple to process it in given time frame.
So now no Akula nor Ruslan can get the patent as it must be something that is new and not released in any form prior to filing patent application.
TK did not get the patent but he can get the patent any time anyone release his device for free or not for free as TK priority rights are on file.
All TK needs is to prove that given concept , falls into his application category.
That is reality you like it or not.
for that TK does not need to spend one single dollar.
Good lawyers will pay for it from their own pocket in exchange for piece of pie.
Summary:
You call that greed or no greed than , it is your problem.
I wanted TK device to be out to everyone including me.
Your guys problem is that you in your variety represent mostly
- different background
- different culture
-different moral, ethical, environmental, and social spinal cord.
Your standards are not necessarily my standards despite the fact of value of the standards.
Just mostly different.
Your expectations and your dreams are not necessarily the same.
Wesley
You call other people names and don't know who TK is?
Think deep deep thinker... clown.
Just to be completely clear.... some people refer to me as "TK" since those are the initials of my handle here on this forum. However when Wesley or some others refer to "TK" they are talking about Tariel Kapanadze, who has made claims and demonstrations that are simply not credible and which have never been properly tested "at the source".
Oh the jbweld guru again lolz
“since the war began on poverty” that sound lovely….
I'm sure nothing really smart coming out! From you.
Do you even know what your parents taught you in your life? I'm sorry pirate but you CANNOT think that far ahead HENCE you believe that poverty cannot be eradicated? You are just a clown sir in the galaxy of smart people lol :P ...to put it in THE COLD HARD TRUTH, if you had 300,0000000 trillion dollars to get rid of poverty, you CAN'T get rid of it because you don't know that money does not make people smart lol, save your money for your kids when they need it? o.0. Based on my questioning over and over again, nothing smart comes from you so you are trying to tell me COMPLEX stuff ABOUT HOW TO GET RID OF POVERTY? Sorry, that is just a joke!
it is 100% obvious with out a doubt that ONE you cannot manage your OWN money TWO you are not qualified to speak about getting rid of poverty!!!! getting rid of poverty is teaching them...ALL KIDS ARE BORN POOR the parents teach them to succeed or stay poor= it's all in the mind rather than buying them a fast car.
Hehheehe, let me hear pirate how to teach a poor kid to learn something new?
I have already figured you out pirate, you are just struggling with money yourself!!!! Your brain has not capability to look further than your struggles. What would shut you up is if you had one million dollars in your bank account! PLEASE! You speaking about getting id of poverty is just a joke! Clowns only are there to say jokes and not to speak about what deep thinkers find solutions too!
I kind of have a feeling that you have never even held 200,000 dollars cash in your hands?
Anything that escapes the earths gravitational pull will speed up in to the dark matter. This is how ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the satellites in to space GATHER their momentum! ALLLL satellites that go to outer space USE this you dumbo! Lol….it does not need explanation for those who are satellite engineers. Let me guess, you want people to teach you so you can say “thank you”!!! Which is what it looks like when ever you speak/write. o.0 WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THANK YOU ANY MORE< WE WANT TO SEEE SMART PEOPLE CHANGE THE WORLD ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!
Are you telling me that poverty cannot get erased from this earth? You know what is funny, you are a poor person! lol
(snip)
Have you seen that demonstration you'll be at the same state of mind .
Have you seen that demonstration you'll be able to draw your own conclusion, and discuss your experience at the same experience level
Have you seen that demonstration you'll be more of help to me than you are now.
The truth is you have not.
Wesley
I just came from the funeral.
My friend is gone I wish he was alive.
Does that change anything for him?
You are so funny. You actually make me laugh. You make fun of me not having much money at this time in my life yet, you speak out and insult all of those folks that actually do have money. You always say that money is bad, it is greed...etc...etc. But, for some reason, you must think that folks that do not have money are bad too?
Have you ever started a corporation in your garage that, in less than 5 years, was worth over 2 million dollars?
I didn't think so.
Have you ever designed, or helped design and manufactured parts that are actually still in space? Some on Mars as we speak? (First Mars Lander)
Nope, didn't think so.
Maybe, just possibly, you should think about what you have done before calling out others that have obviously done much more than you?
Have you made any parts for the Space Shuttle? Have you ever helped them redesign a part, and then make it so they could keep their launch schedule? (STS-60)
No? Didn't think so.
Have you ever machined pure sapphire rod down to .009" diameter (+ or- .0001 tolerance) to make the first hearing aid implants ever attempted? (Yes, they worked)
No? Didn't think so.
Have you ever machined parts for the NASA Space Plane Project? (Project Aurora)
No? Really? Why not? What about making inertial guidance system parts for DARPA? No as well?
I could go on and on but obviously would be wasting my time. It would be much shorter if you told all of us exactly what you HAVE done...if anything. It is probably a short list I am guessing.
Have you ever started a corporation in your garage that, in less than 5 years, was worth over 2 million dollars?
Oh, and your bullet in space theory is also wrong as...if you fire a bullet and it curves around the earth due to gravity, it will never just "shoot out" and go into space. it would have to accelerate to over 25,000 mph which is earth's gravity escape velocity. I have never heard of a bullet going that fast.
There should be no doubt in anyone's mind, by now, that these scammers do not have what they are claiming to have, "but cannot show". It is no longer possible for anyone with an ounce of brain to think that they are just hopeful and mistaken. They are clearly not telling the truth and are clearly trying to dupe people into supporting their permanent vacation in a place where they are beyond the reach of USA justice.
They are also beyond the protection of USA law, though, and eventually some rich and unscrupulous person whom they have scammed, is going to come looking for them.
Yes, and when they find her, they will be wearing T-shirts that say: "Ain't Karma a Bitch?"
Bill
they have done nothing for experimenters and science, other than to warn people that there is too much room for selective bunches of lying scumbags that seek to enable themselves to litter the streets of progress in a manner that lowers property values in the area.
Joel I can never figure out what you're saying. Do you read what you've written?
Poor old Jamie looks absolutely done for, he's obviously having a hard time trying
invent rubbish for the videos, I'd say the QEG has taken a heavy toll on him.
Hi all
I hope you do not mind I featured some of your comments in the latest QEG Scam Girl story I ran.
http://revolution-green.com/qeg-scam-girl-sinking-in-a-sea-of-lies/
Kind Regards
Mark
Joel,
loads of folk cite the Wright bros. It was the petrol engine that was the key!
The amazing part was that they built their own engine.
Look at Aerial Steam Carriage on wiki for a bit of history.
NONE OF THIS WAS, or is now, TRUE. Yet they made these claims on several different crowdfunding sites in order to get hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations, and they are still making the claims, and as you can see from their recent videos, they are flailing and flopping around trying to convince people even now, with the flimsiest, most implausible excuses imaginable for not being able to demonstrate what they actually DO NOT HAVE. No such shenanigans ever came from the Wright brothers.
BTW: the Wright brothers built and flew man-carrying kites, and even soared for long durations in gliders, before they basically took their best glider design and hung an engine on it to make the first operational airplane. They invented the Wind Tunnel and did many many hours of wind-tunnel testing to perfect aerodynamic control systems, and they spent many hours learning how to control the kites and gliders before they made their first powered airplane flights. They proceeded according to the Scientific Method, they had working examples of powered heavier-than-air flight in the form of birds and insects, and they _never_ made claims that they could not back up with actual demonstrations. Whether or not ignorant journalists or even "scientists" believed them at first is actually irrelevant, since they could, and did, demonstrate the truth of their claims when asked to do so.
We will _NEVER_ see an actual demonstration of a self-running QEG powering a home or even being started with a crank mechanism! From the Robitailles or from anyone else!
Well, thanks to Naima and Jamie Morocco is happening! Really crispy!
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/26/morocco-poised-to-become-a-solar-superpower-with-launch-of-desert-mega-project (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/26/morocco-poised-to-become-a-solar-superpower-with-launch-of-desert-mega-project)
http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/worlds-largest-solar-power-plant-ouarzazate-morocco/ (http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/worlds-largest-solar-power-plant-ouarzazate-morocco/)
Just when you thought it had fully died. It leaps from the spot all thought it would rest forever more, grabs and tightens its vile sickly fingers around your neck for leverage, spreads its legs, then releases the most loudest grotesque violent roar out of its lungs that sends even the most strongest of Beast and the most battled hardened of Men down to their knees in fear. The death of qeg gave birth to...... mini geq teslagen v1!
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/new-the-mini-qeg-teslagen-v1/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/new-the-mini-qeg-teslagen-v1/)
Wow, perhaps some information about the validity of this whole thing got back to the people at fundrazr.com.
Someone should alert the proper folks who can stop these crooks from sucking up
money from decent but gullible people. This just stinks and HopelessGirl has
sunk to yet another new low.
@pirate
It's all relative, 80% of people believe a bearded man in a white dress created the universe in six days. They have no proof of anything, obviously, and these organizations take in billions upon billions of dollars annually. Should we alert the authorities?, should we stop these crooks from sucking up
money from decent but gullible people?
While I agree with all that you say above, this time it is different.
Please notice in the activity of their fundrazr https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/615XY8 (https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/615XY8),
that a certain someone named Wilhelmina gave $1,000 to the campaign.
This is the same Wilhelmina (a 75 year old widow from Canada)
referred to in this article
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/11/03/free-energy-full-disclosure-the-qeg-chronicles-part-1-rbc-bank-and-120k/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/11/03/free-energy-full-disclosure-the-qeg-chronicles-part-1-rbc-bank-and-120k/)
She is in the process of donating $120,000 (that is ONE
HUNDRED and TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS)to these people.
That doesn't sit well with me
I have learned not to get too upset by this kind of thing because it pales in comparison to the scam know as modern civilization.
Should I get upset at everyone and everything?, we will do what we do despite the facts as we have always done and unfortunately I see no end to it. The trick is not to lose your marbles, if you lose your marbles your screwed, lol.
@PIH123
In many ways I have come to see it is all the same. My grandfather found god at 70 and turned into a condescending asshole determined to give everything to the church however my grandmother had the good sense to divorce him first. A good friend has MS and he tells me of all donations less than 25% goes to patients and research not unlike most supposed charities... he will die of MS because the MS society will not help him. Much of the taxes I pay go to people who do nothing of substance or show up as multi-million dollar subsidies to billion dollar companies or fat pensions for corrupt politicians.
I have learned not to get too upset by this kind of thing because it pales in comparison to the scam know as modern civilization. Most everyone pretends to be something they are not and say things they never intend to do and believe things without proof as none is required. It's like watching a global commercial where all the actors play out their part trying to convince everyone their BS is real. Should I get upset at everyone and everything?, we will do what we do despite the facts as we have always done and unfortunately I see no end to it. The trick is not to lose your marbles, if you lose your marbles your screwed, lol.
AC
Come on AC, you are smarter than this. This is a false comparison and a very poor analogy. I believe in God, as many do. No one, NO ONE, has proven God does not exist. It has been proven that the QEG is a scam and does not work. Very big difference there.
@pirate
It's all relative, 80% of people believe a bearded man in a white dress created the universe in six days. They have no proof of anything, obviously, and these organizations take in billions upon billions of dollars annually. Should we alert the authorities?, should we stop these crooks from sucking up
money from decent but gullible people?. I mean their beliefs defy all logic and reason and contradict all we call science so why doesn't anyone do something?. If one cannot see the humor in how ridiculous we all are then your just not trying hard enough. I'm surprise you guys haven't started chanting incantations-- burn the witch, burn the witch, lol.
Obviously it appears to be a scam but from a logical, psychological point of view most things we have come to believe are as well... it's all relative.
AC
@PIH123
In many ways I have come to see it is all the same. My grandfather found god at 70 and turned into a condescending asshole determined to give everything to the church however my grandmother had the good sense to divorce him first. A good friend has MS and he tells me of all donations less than 25% goes to patients and research not unlike most supposed charities... he will die of MS because the MS society will not help him. Much of the taxes I pay go to people who do nothing of substance or show up as multi-million dollar subsidies to billion dollar companies or fat pensions for corrupt politicians.
I have learned not to get too upset by this kind of thing because it pales in comparison to the scam know as modern civilization. Most everyone pretends to be something they are not and say things they never intend to do and believe things without proof as none is required. It's like watching a global commercial where all the actors play out their part trying to convince everyone their BS is real. Should I get upset at everyone and everything?, we will do what we do despite the facts as we have always done and unfortunately I see no end to it. The trick is not to lose your marbles, if you lose your marbles your screwed, lol.
AC
@Bill
So you believe in an all knowing omniscient being that created the whole universe, the whole damn universe mind you, in a matter of days... and yet somehow you cannot believe in a motor/generator made of iron and copper wire? . May God bless you Bill because your sense of belief is fucked up beyond all recognition.
AC
Well, that is your ignorant opinion and, you are entitled to it. But, that once again misses the point. It was not a good analogy and if you can not see that, I guess I can't help you. Look up Apples and Oranges and maybe that will ring a bell.
PS Yes, the device is made up of iron and copper wire but so what? It still does not work as advertised as proven by TK, and others on here. So, the materials of construction are real, the claimed results are not. See the difference? Also look up "Fraud" in the dictionary...you will see HopelessGirl's photo there I think.
@Pirate
I think you have missed the point as well Bill, your religion does not work as advertised nor could any claims be considered tangible. So yes the term fraud does come to mind in that so many would promote something which they cannot prove as real. Unless of course you can show me your God, I would like to meet him and I have a few questions.
What I cannot agree with is that so many would judge others and then when the judgement comes full circle they say... well my belief is different and you cannot talk about my beliefs in the same context as I talk about other's. The fact remains that you believe a bearded man in a white dress created the universe in six days. Who are you to judge the credibility of anyone considering your beliefs and the facts Bill?. Regardless of what you may think this is a two way street and religion is not an exception to the rule. It must to be judged in the same context as any other belief... no better no worse.
You cannot speak of ignorance and analogies, claims and facts rigidly applied to everyone else and think they will never be applied to you. You have no more credibility than anyone else who cannot prove their beliefs as a fact... no better no worse. As a professional I generally see the same response concerning religion and free energy. First the person resorts to a long line of illogical fallicies to try and substantiate their claim. Then when their logic starts falling apart there is an appeal to emotion and authority then the name calling starts generally followed by threats of violence. So let's not go there Bill because your going to lose.
Concerning Free Energy, we have proof no place in the known universe is devoid of Energy...it is everywhere in everything. It is a well proven fact and we are getting better at extracting energy from ambient conditions such as the various forms of solar energy every day. Nanotechnology is improving the extraction of energy from solar, ambient heat, evaporation, EM scavenging etc.. . The trend is pointing to the singular fact that in the future we will not need archaic "fuels" any longer and we will extract an abundance of energy from our environment as Nikola Tesla predicted 100 years ago. All the energy we could ever want has been proven to be there for the taking and not you or anyone else will dictate how we do it. There are an infinite number of ways we do not know of and have yet to fully understand. So before people start going on a god damn witch hunt judging others they may want to think twice about how much they actually understand.
AC
Regarding 'free energy', consider that the real issue is NOT energy, but the FLOW of energy producing WORK, a phenomenon that is. non-conservative.
@memoryman
Here is a thought... what is conservative and non-conservative?. Now let's say I have a closed black box and energy is supposedly conserved within it. Then a high energy particle which has traveled 100 light years from a distance sun randomly collides with the atoms in my box releasing energy. Thus we see the conservation of Energy does not exclude free energy and in fact supports it. As such conservative is just a fancy way of saying we will ignore some facts we don't like to support our beliefs.
Think about it... a universe seething with energy which cannot be created or destroyed only transformed. A star one billion light years away could radiate energy which is just hitting the Earth now...because energy is conserved. The conservation of energy proves the universe must be full of energy everywhere in everything. Which is a problem for Bill because he believes the universe was created about 6000 years ago by a bearded man in a white dress who loves him. However in our world... does it matter if something is conservative/non-conservative if we know as a fact that we are swimming in a sea of energy just waiting for us to understand how to extract it?.
The conservation of Energy, conservative/non-conservative does not discount free energy... it proves it.
AC
For the record, the earth is billions of years old. (I was a geology major in college) I am a man of science and engineering. As all of those other great fellows I mentioned determined, the universe is so beautiful and engineered in such a wonderful way, it can not be an accident.[/size]"God does not play dice". Albert Einstein.Try to be more accurate in the future please.Thank you.
@Bill
You know it's odd that so many intelligent people with such great understanding could have such differences in opinions and beliefs. One would think that if we really did understand all the facts there would be more agreement. In any case I have no less respect for you as a person despite our differences of opinions and I mean that sincerely. As you know I like to mix it up a bit and get people going to see what they really think however I mean no offense. Your one cool dude Bill and didn't come unglued as so many do... I can respect that.
At the least all I expect is a good debate as to why we believe what we do just to keep us honest, lol.
AC
Why is nobody saying that the working plans are now free to download?
A year later. Look for QEG manual. And Peswiki did a nice interview with them.
And a company in Taiwan duplicated the device also.
Where is the energy this device is using coming from ?
The quantum field
Sir
Thank you for the Info , Do you have a contact for Buster?
@pronbo
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Some history behind what's now called "QEG"...
https://vimeo.com/168484487 Video starts at 45:40, but specific to this subject starting at 55:45 "Ecklinator" comments, through end of video at 59:48
Then... continued a bit from there:
https://vimeo.com/169190993 from about 1:04:20 through 1:08-ish
"...the frequency was a little over 900(Hz)..." fine for light bulbs, but would need a post-converter to go from 900Hz very high AC voltage, down to 50/60Hz usable power. At 900Hz, the HV-to-LowV transformer could be MUCH smaller than a 50/60Hz transformer... then rectify it, and run it through a normal off-grid Solar Inverter to get your desired 120/240VAC Mains substitute.
After a few modifications, the above became this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU
Ron Brandt was the public spokesperson for WITTS before Timothy Thrapp, and Ron Brandt's designs are now part of WITTS.
http://www.witts.ws/300-eternitys-joy-ron-brandts-remarkable-perm-mag-motor/
Ron had a interesting history:
http://www.bestenergy.ws/RonBrandtBioHistoryMotor.html
Public information as presented on WITTS Wednesday night webcast several months ago:
The founders of FTWO took some classes from WITTS on building this device, but did not complete the entire course... they apparently decided they had enough info to go off and finish it by themselves. Neither did they receive permission to open source what information they learned from WITTS... so what we have seen is (if you believe in this term) "deserved karma".
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respectfully
ChetKremens@Gmail.com
You really have to wonder about the moral authority and the "deserved karma" of a group that claims, for many years now, to have technology that would truly save mankind from many many of the ills that trouble us... but who withhold that technology and keep it secret, only "selling" it for lots of money to people who nevertheless can't actually get it working.
Of course, if WITTS and them actually do NOT have what they claim to have... then it all makes sense.
Thousands of innocent children starve to death or die of dysentery and other easily-preventable diseases every month. Millions of families are currently displaced from their homes due to the squabbling of major powers over regional oil and uranium resources. WITTS could end all of that instantly.... if only they actually had what they claim to have.
But of course we know that they don't have what they claim. Only the relatively unsophisticated marks continue to fall for their nonsensical claims. But after all, there is a sucker born every minute, so I don't expect to see WITTS or their spin-offs like FTW fade away any time soon.
When you look these messages back, then you know who the SHILLS
are here !
Oh, please, go ahead and download the plans and build a QEG for yourself! I encourage you to do so. Be sure to report all your experiences here. If you can't get it to run itself and your house, or start with a crank mechanism like the FAQs tell you, then you can register for private instruction from the Fix The World people in Morocco. Maybe you can even get those 300 engineers from Taiwan to help you get it running. I think you can still buy core assemblies that are pretty much complete. The UK builds were just hours away from self-running in 2014, so I'm sure they must be running their homes for free by now.Ha! Ha! nice joke, by the way, I have a test for you to see how good your memory is, mine isn't so good on names can you name all the screen names the ' I have a quantum energy oscillator generator on my desk' I'm testing and I live in the UK and I post hieroglyphics diagrams all over this site,' 'well he did' but got chucked off several times! ok, how many names did he reinvent him self with ? your starter for 10 points ;) ;) oh and whats his name now ;) ;) oh and last time he was a moderator! PGHU ;)
So get to work! Nobody is stopping you. Time's a-wasting!
I'm not joking! I'm perfectly serious. I think anybody who still believes that the FTW QEG is not a cynical hoax designed to keep the Robitaille family's permanent Moroccan vacation going, after all that has transpired, should most definitely build one for themselves! And report all the details of this open source project right here. Including reporting the actual amount of money and time spent on this "free energy" project.No ! i thought she lived in Arizona Texas? the new Israel lone star state no! shows how good she is then ;) anyway forget her ! I think the nutty professor is back again (no not me) ha ha! the guy who was selling QEG know how, who wanted everyone's E-Mail address can you remember his screen name other than >>>> Sequental.9, <<<< was 1
As for the rest of your post, I really don't know what, or whom, you are talking about.
Alison Dubois? Who?
Oh, are you talking about the "medium"? As far as I know she does not live in my state, nor I in hers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_DuBois