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Title: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: madddann on March 27, 2014, 02:42:27 AM
Hello everyone! Looks like today is a very special day we all were dreaming about.

Today I was looking at Pesn.com and saw this story: http://pesn.com/2014/03/26/9602463_Quantum-Energy-Generator_QEG_Open-Sourced/

"Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced

HopeGirl yesterday announced that they had finally completed their downloadable plans that will enable to world to open source a modified Tesla free energy technology capable of producing a net output of 10 kW -- enough to power a home."


The plans are dowloadable at her blog: http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/qeg-open-sourced/
...and here is her youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/HopeGirl587



...and while I was looking at the videos I just realized that the generator looks very familiar just like... bang... this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU (Self Running 40kW 40,000 Watt Fuelless Generator Full Video [www.witts.ws]


What do you guys think? Did we just hit the jackpot?


Dann
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gyulasun on March 27, 2014, 11:58:00 AM

....

What do you guys think? Did we just hit the jackpot?



Hi Dann,   yes we did...     in the sense that now we know what to avoid.   8) :) 8)

Have you noticed this thread here: http://www.overunity.com/14442/anyone-heard-about-qeg/msg394493/#msg394493

Gyula
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: madddann on March 27, 2014, 01:23:58 PM
OK ... not so excited anymore... didn't notice that thread yesterday...

In the QEG user manual it is written that they were helped by WITTS.

I just noticed that the schematic is missing the bridge rectifier between the variac output and the DC motor.
Also realized that this thing would cost alot to build - not for the average experimenter.


Dann

Hi Dann,   yes we did...     in the sense that now we know what to avoid.   8) :) 8)

Have you noticed this thread here: http://www.overunity.com/14442/anyone-heard-about-qeg/msg394493/#msg394493 (http://www.overunity.com/14442/anyone-heard-about-qeg/msg394493/#msg394493)

Gyula
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on March 27, 2014, 01:48:44 PM
Here is paten with better quality pictures if for somebody needed. http://www.google.com/patents/US511916 (http://www.google.com/patents/US511916)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on March 27, 2014, 03:42:06 PM


 Actually this Patent shown is his Oscillator driven by a gas or steam. How is that applicable to what they are doing?


 They are misdirecting people.


 The real patent is this: http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine


 Every element they mention in their schematic can be linked directly to this patent. 3 section are very distinct, 1 Exciter, 2 Generator, 3 Prime mover(motor) all on a single shaft by Tesla's method.


 I have shown this patent add numb. No one seems to get it. Look at what they are showing and you will see that the link I present is the device they are showing. It IS real! It does work but they are trying to keep it a secret. The patent they are showing is a random Tesla patent made to deceive you till they secure a working model and a bogus patent claim of their own. Tesla owned the patent and it is now in the public domain. No one owns it, So NO ONE could sell it legally! It is an attempt to shirk what Tesla secured in patenting and then letting the patent go to public domain. It is our gift and was in plain sight all along.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on March 27, 2014, 04:57:35 PM
This is 100% BS


http://revolution-green.com/open-sourced-qeg-generator-show-data/


Kind Regards
Mark




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on March 27, 2014, 05:04:23 PM
They are misdirecting people.


 The real patent is this: http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine (http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine)

In this patent no resonant capasitors, so this pattent, I think, is wrong.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on March 27, 2014, 05:16:46 PM
From that maded rotor and stator, maybe somebody knowhn?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on March 27, 2014, 05:23:34 PM
This is 100% BS


http://revolution-green.com/open-sourced-qeg-generator-show-data/ (http://revolution-green.com/open-sourced-qeg-generator-show-data/)


Kind Regards
Mark

Indeed it is, and indeed it is an offshoot of the religious cult scammers WITTS,  and Timothy Thrapp.

But you have an interesting typo in the article....

"The work of Timothy Therapy comes to mind."

Spellcheckers are great comedians sometimes.

 ;D

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on March 27, 2014, 05:31:53 PM
You had better be careful...

Quote
This notice serves the purpose of communicating the serious nature of building a quantum machine, as we are well aware that there have been severe restrictive agencies involved with their suppression. Quantum free energy isn’t taught at University and most designers have heretofore been unsuccessful at mass distribution. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY therefore to make certain you are building the QEG with positive intentions for humanity, and lashing out legally or otherwise to FTW, HopeGirl and/or the designer and his family, is a violation of goodwill and will in no way be attended to. We know of no other way to do this but to go back to the “HONOR SYSTEM.”

In reading this notice I agree that:
1) I WILL NOT ATTEMPT TO BUILD A QEG UNLESS I DO SO APPROPRIATELY WITH AN  ELECTROMECHANCIAL ENGINEERING PROFESSIONAL. (sic)
 
2) I WILL NOT COMMISSION (TURN ON) OR INSTALL THE QEG WITHOUT AN ELECTROMECHANICAL ENGINEERING PROFESSIONAL.

3) UNDER THE ABOVE CONDITIONS, I MAY USE THE QEG INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS FOR PERSONAL USE, AND UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR IMPECCABLE COMMITMENT TO THE BETTERMENT OF HUMANITY.  IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE OF PLANET EARTH, I WILL NOT ATTEMPT TO MISUSE OR MONOPOLIZE  THE QEG INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS IN  ANY CAPACITY, NOR WILL I ATTEMPT TO MAKE A HUGE PROFIT AT THE EXPENSE OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.

IMPORTANT – Please make certain that persons who are to use this equipment thoroughlyr ead and understand these instructions and any additional instructions prior to construction, installation and operation.

In addition, we require you to read this notice again when you are ready to assemble the core.

So if you build it and it doesn't work, that proves that you don't have the right attitude and you probably aren't holding your mouth right, either.


Come on, people. This is just more bait, chumming the waters. Don't be a fish.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vince on March 27, 2014, 05:40:42 PM
Fake or not, the schematic is quite interesting !   I have a question to anybody that may have had a closer look at the drawing and instructions.  Is there an omission in the rotor details. I see a stack of plates mounted to the armature shaft but no mention of windings or magnets. Is this supposed to be just a rotating metal armature that acts as a flux bridge, or did I miss something?  I see that they mention a bridge rectifier on the parts list but omitted it in the schematic for the dc motor.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on March 27, 2014, 07:14:55 PM
Fake or not, the schematic is quite interesting !   I have a question to anybody that may have had a closer look at the drawing and instructions.  Is there an omission in the rotor details. I see a stack of plates mounted to the armature shaft but no mention of windings or magnets. Is this supposed to be just a rotating metal armature that acts as a flux bridge, or did I miss something?  I see that they mention a bridge rectifier on the parts list but omitted it in the schematic for the dc motor.




Hey Vince, this is what I think.
Sometimes ago, I run a 7.5 hp 3 phase motor ( squirrel cage) as a generator just to show to my people. The principle looks like the same. I will build one to test.
I already have the "doesn't work". At least I'm sure that I will learn something....


My YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/jucajosecosta/videos?shelf_id=1&view=0&sort=dd (https://www.youtube.com/user/jucajosecosta/videos?shelf_id=1&view=0&sort=dd)
Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gyulasun on March 27, 2014, 08:43:47 PM
...
I see a stack of plates mounted to the armature shaft but no mention of windings or magnets. Is this supposed to be just a rotating metal armature that acts as a flux bridge, or did I miss something? 
...

Hi Vince,

I also think it can be a stack of (soft iron) plates  (laminations) rotated by the motor and it is supposed to change the permeability of the ring core whenever in alignment with the 2 -2 yokes of the ring core, thus causing a periodic change in the coils inductance (this is also called a parametric excitation).  Whether this gives any extra output, it remains to be tested.

Gyula
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: albator10 on March 28, 2014, 02:14:37 AM
The QEG has a lot of similarity with the John W Ecklin motor/generator patented in 1986 (See the attached files)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on March 28, 2014, 01:41:55 PM




...and while I was looking at the videos I just realized that the generator looks very familiar just like... bang... this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU) (Self Running 40kW 40,000 Watt Fuelless Generator Full Video [www.witts.ws]


What do you guys think? Did we just hit the jackpot?


Dann

If you look closely the WITTS Demo by T. Thrapp shows, that the motor does NOT slow down
when the screws in the bulbs... at minute 7:30
This is the best evidence for a fake...the motor speed
should change !
So the bulbs are just powered by the grid and not the unit...

The cameraman also asked this and then see, what Thrapp says and has some
kind of excuses...
Well I did not hear it slow down... and I watched it several times...
At this huge load the motor
should already slow down, when he only screws in 1 light bulb....

Also the QED circuit digramm does not include the dc rectifier bridge, what is
listed in the parts list, so it is probably a wrong circuit diagramm and can´t work this way...
So how would they drive the DC motor with AC then ??

Don´t fall for this scam until they will show their own unit really selfpowered...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on March 28, 2014, 02:02:52 PM
In this patent no resonant capasitors, so this pattent, I think, is wrong.


 The patent I showed is the basic design. Capacitors could be used to improve the efficiency at the appropriate spots. There is also control circuitry not included in the basic patent.

 With their design the 4 poles would indeed slow the unit down when power is extracted but in the tesla patent that I showed there are no poles per say. In fact Tesla said that the ring generators field cores would act like they had infinite poles. This is accomplished by the many many winds of copper around the ring field core. Each turn of each wind would be considered a pole.

 Another reference to the Tesla method has already been shown by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3b3h2cEbHw

 Now this is not the exact method that the patent That I have shown shows. It is in exact opposite and actually a hybrid. Where the magneto (exciter) and generator sections were merged. I don't believe this will work that well because of the fact that the permanent magnets are inside of the generator ring. The magneto needs to be 2 phase. And the generator field coils utilize the 2 phase from the magentos to create a standard Tesla rotating magnetic field within the toroid. The field cores are excited by High voltage which gets transformed in the rotor core's 2 phase generator coils. When this happens a huge magnetic field is created in the Rotor core and loops back to the toroid field cores generating even more high voltage and continues to do so in a loop. You can tap the loop via the rotor generating coils and utilized in the way Tesla has shown in the patent. Once this process is started no additional energy is required to feed this system once it is up to speed. and because the field cores have no real poles there is very little effect on the speed of the rotor as the prime mover rotates the rotor shaft.

 In the case of the above video he has chosen a pulse motor. Thats fine and dandy but the real power of the system should utilize a motor as shown in the Tesla patent. This will allow for a more robust system that can generate much more then what the video shows above.

 Also you must adhere to transformer rules when utilizing Tesla's methods. Keeping the strong magnetic fields in the rotors core allows conservation of the magnetic field to strengthen the effect of this kind of system.

 Tesla also tried to tell us about the direction of the high voltage field and it's relationship to the rotor's direction of turning. Allowing the field coils to travel in the opposite direction of the rotor allows for a better efficiency of the generators section, especially at lower speeds.

 So lets take this one step at a time:

 Magneto (exciter):  -- A magneto is an electrical generator that uses permanent magnets to produce periodic pulses of alternating current.
      This should be a standard High voltage Magneto in a isolated two phase design. This means there is no common ground. Each phase is completely separated.

 Generator: High voltage field coils on a non polled core: Standard Tesla toroidial transformer 4 subsections. Two coils per phase diametrically opposite per pair.
       The rotor should be Two Phase 90 degrees out of phase in winding. So a cross design. The field coils should be energized in opposition to the rotor turning direction (to increase low speed generation).
       The field cores should be able to channel a good amount of the magnetic field producible by the rotors two phase coils. <- This might be  limiting factor of the total power obtainable from the system.
       The rotor coils should be of heavy gauge and the field coils should be of very light gauge.

 Prime mover (motor): This can be made as strong as one needs. The more powerful the Motor the better it can be tapped for useful energy as mechanical output. It must be of the design Tesla notes in his Patent.

 Both Current and mechanical energy can be taken from this system. This is what Tesla was testing in 1932 with the Pierce Arrow experiment. He had Westinghouse build the motor/generator for him but made the control circuitry himself. This was to control the output of the unit and used up to 12 tubes for that purpose.
 Several other Patents Tesla used were the magnetic control valve for the Gas pedal so to speak and various other patents provided by him. All of the other PAtents were done after he refined his ideas. Each one not directly tied to this device but as a subset of patents.

 Again lets refer to the Patent:

 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine  <--Whole system generic layout without control systems
 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,820-alternate-current-regulator  <--Controller for Prime mover (Gas Pedal)
 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-382,282-electric-converting-distributing  <--This is a more detailed description of the transformer in the system patent

 One other note of interest is that the generator section if shorted would act like an AC motor. Direct shorting should not be employed on the generator section as this would fight the prime mover. So control circuitry must be used to keep it from direct shorting the generating Rotor.

 The reason for the belt in the original patent was for mechanical extraction. The more you retard the rotor the more it becomes unsynchronized and the more current it generates per the text. In this mode it is a constant velocity system and an attempt to retard the rotor via mechanical extraction correspondingly increases the generated currents. Although this would be best in mechanical extraction I doubt this is the design that won in Tesla's mind. The option I allude to creates a symbiotic relationship to variable output without the need to retard the rotor since the Prime mover is included on the same shaft and hence generates a constant current. This would mean that when not in use it would generate huge heat values due to current pooling which was a reported issue in Tesla's Roadster test that made him include a sizable fan to keep it from overheating on the shaft as well.

 One curious point is that when Tesla was looking at the impulses and how they affected static metal is that a huge heat value was attained. This is due to current pooling in the static metal. If the current has no where to go it will build to a point of melting the metal in the field and this is where I draw my conclusions about heat related issues in the Roadster experiment. When the current is not extracted it builds and a high value of heat is generated because it can not flow.

 Tesla also elluded that metal wires even though straight had a variable static capacity. The variable part being the elevation above ground level. When that capacity is overshot it will react in various ways that also include explosions of that variable static capacity just like when you overfill a capacitor it will explode with such violence that he likened it to the best dynamite of the day.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on March 28, 2014, 02:42:27 PM
Yes Vince; I think the rotor is just a flux bridge between field coils on the right and left. The field is oscillating
in resonance which modulates output with the resonant frequency. Note the incredible 25KV Working Voltage
capacitor bank implying a resonant Q of 100. This is what resonance can do to the LC tank voltage in right power
applications. The generator stator core seems to have extra insulation in order to be able to handle this field
voltage. The generator operating in this mode is called a magnetic amplifier. That Stanley guy used an
automobile alternator in the same way by modulating the field coil as part of his hydrogen HHO generator.

Amazingly, I saw a schematic of a standard household generator that was almost exactly the same
as this except that there was no field resonance, it was that simple, AVR automatic voltage regulation
seemed to be implemented by parametric modification. So I think this may be a standard generator
with more insulation on the field and heavy duty resonance on the field.

Nothing in the above implies overunity to me...except the 25KV makes the generator sensitive to incoming
free electrons. I suspect that this is at least part of the overunity being displayed, if any. The belt drive is part
of the static antenna, I think. 25KV is beyond the anode voltage of a BW CRT, but with significant more
power. *HV Caution* is definitely warranted IMHO.

If that Qmogen mechanical theory previously on overunity.com was correct "luging" of the drive motor is critical
which may not happen unless the generator is loaded with a dummy resistive load not shown in the schematic.

----

You will notice that this set up is similar to the generators labeled "prior-art2" and "prior-art3" in the
Ecklin patent but with electromagnet field coils in place of the permanent magnets. The Ecklin generator
main drawing shows a winding on the rotor implying brushes. These other guys are all brush free...OK, I guess.


:S:MarkSCoffman


 
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on March 28, 2014, 05:19:02 PM
Yes Vince; I think the rotor is just a flux bridge between field coils on the right and left. The field is oscillating
in resonance which modulates output with the resonant frequency. Note the incredible 25KV Working Voltage
capacitor bank implying a resonant Q of 100. This is what resonance can do to the LC tank voltage in right power
applications. The generator stator core seems to have extra insulation in order to be able to handle this field
voltage. The generator operating in this mode is called a magnetic amplifier. That Stanley guy used an
automobile alternator in the same way by modulating the field coil as part of his hydrogen HHO generator.

Amazingly, I saw a schematic of a standard household generator that was almost exactly the same
as this except that there was no field resonance, it was that simple, AVR automatic voltage regulation
seemed to be implemented by parametric modification. So I think this may be a standard generator
with more insulation on the field and heavy duty resonance on the field.

Nothing in the above implies overunity to me...except the 25KV makes the generator sensitive to incoming
free electrons. I suspect that this is at least part of the overunity being displayed, if any. The belt drive is part
of the static antenna, I think. 25KV is beyond the anode voltage of a BW CRT, but with significant more
power. *HV Caution* is definitely warranted IMHO.

If that Qmogen mechanical theory previously on overunity.com was correct "luging" of the drive motor is critical
which may not happen unless the generator is loaded with a dummy resistive load not shown in the schematic.

----

You will notice that this set up is similar to the generators labeled "prior-art2" and "prior-art3" in the
Ecklin patent but with electromagnet field coils in place of the permanent magnets. The Ecklin generator
main drawing shows a winding on the rotor implying brushes. These other guys are all brush free...OK, I guess.


:S:MarkSCoffman


 
 


 The reason for the slip rings in the patent I have shown is that the induction in the rotating transformer(generator) is already being used. Any attempt to use induction to make it brushless will kill the loop we are employing to generate any extra current we see from the loop. Unfortunately slip rings are the only way to extract anything useful from this process. If you wrap the field coils with extraction coils it will destroy the loop and a normal transformer action will ensue. Any extraction must be done at the rotor coils in order to increase the loop strength. The more current pulled out of the rotor coils will increase the magnetic coupling of the field coils and the rotor and this will increase the output.


 Alot of this is strictly theory at this point. But when I restart my efforts to build it, it will become proof.


 Some work has been done as the videos show but again traditional applications with slight modifications are what we are seeing. We need to go back to the original setup and start testing this in order to realign ourselves with the designers aims. What we have seen commercialized from these patents is only what they could break and make it so we have to sustain the generation by replacing the loop with fuel consumption. This was a bastardization of the original idea to get them what they wanted (an income stream) and "They", well we all know who "They" are.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pixel on March 31, 2014, 08:27:51 PM
Stefan, the rectifier is mentioned in the description text. Variac->Rectifier->DC motor
QUOTE
The output of the variac is connected to a 600 volt, 25 Amp full-wave bridge rectifier to power the variable speed DC drive motor.
\QUOTE

getting the right capacitors is the first problem (expensive)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 01, 2014, 03:54:10 AM
From PESN regarding the Quantum Energy Generator:

"[8:00:18 PM] Hope Moore: Yes we have a working prototype.

[8:01:02 PM] Sterling D. Allan: Thx for writing. I'll add that to the page. Can you tell me what the longest it's run for?

[8:01:06 PM | Edited 8:01:27 PM] Hope Moore: We just finished it and gave away the plans to the whole world for free. Any engineer can build one.

[8:01:48 PM] Sterling D. Allan: I was impressed with the detail in the plans, though I've not had time to digest it closely.

[8:03:52 PM] Hope Moore: The important thing to understand here is that we got it to produce raw power. And we did it in 5 months. It is now open sourced so anyone will be able to make improvements and humanity will co develop it together.

[8:05:33 PM] Sterling D. Allan: Do you know of anyone who has been able to replicate it per the plans yet? (I know you just posted them publicly, but perhaps you had earlier drafts available privately before.)

[8:07:37 PM] Hope Moore: No. We kept everything confidential until we open sourced a few days ago. We suspect that in about 3 months time QEGs will start popping up everywhere. We are now here in Taiwan in a factory with 30 students teaching them to build QEGs. In two weeks we will be in Morocco doing the same thing.

[8:08:41 PM] Sterling D. Allan: Way to go. Wishing you the best. This news certainly has created a lot of hopeful buzz.

[8:10:18 PM] Hope Moore: Our main concern is getting a simple practical free energy design into the hands of the people. So at the moment we are not focusing our energy on "proving it works". We know it works. We are focusing our energy on teaching others and giving them back the power to build these. Because of this grassroots effort, it will be unstoppable.

[8:14:10 PM] Hope Moore: We are a small family and organization with very little resources, so we do the best we can and all the attention (especially the death threats) have made me protective of my family."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 01, 2014, 07:21:47 AM
Quote
[8:01:02 PM] Sterling D. Allan: Thx for writing. I'll add that to the page. Can you tell me what the longest it's run for?

[8:01:06 PM | Edited 8:01:27 PM] Hope Moore: We just finished it and gave away the plans to the whole world for free. Any engineer can build one.

Yes.... but why didn't you answer Sterling's question, there, WhateverGirl?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 03, 2014, 08:26:50 PM
Anything I say here on this is only my guess,  reading her video expressions I would say she is not being 100% up front and that a working model does not exist.  Of course we have all hear the hype before and in the end nothing, nada, excuses only followed.  If they had or have an working model where is the video of it with measurements?   Certainly if anyone with pride in what work they have done would make a video,  get witnesses and proofs coming out their ears.   Evasive is not conviction so my opinion is that we need to verify this device and/or her claims to teaching groups in other countries.  Why did she not begin here where language would have been much easier to communicate with being now needing translation?  There are many USA based enthusiasts groups she could have chosen from who would have jumped at the chance to proven and learn this technology.   If I was a betting man,  I would not bet on these emperor's new clothes until I could see them.  My bet is she is either right here is the USA and NOT traveling or on other business  (doubtful).  But of course I have been incorrect at least once in my life (LOL).  Anyone who can update any information on this topic, please share as often as possible new news.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jdsanders on April 03, 2014, 10:15:39 PM
QEG Updates:

Hopegirl has updated her blog with more QEG info and backstory:

http://wp.me/p2Gy1r-FT (http://wp.me/p2Gy1r-FT)

Also, link to a new QEG Info & Forum website. Can't tell if it's independent or FTW-sponsored, but it is exploding with building info and forum posts:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/ (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/)

Link to (short) video clip of one Taiwan training session; James Robitaille is present:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Q2i9Ir5vI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Q2i9Ir5vI)

Clip of a new QEG core arriving at Taiwan facility; HopeGirl and James Robitaille are present:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=napK2OYrXZs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=napK2OYrXZs)


APOLOGIES if any of this info is already linked elsewhere.

-Joel D. Sanders
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 03, 2014, 10:40:49 PM
Where is the video of it running itself, providing excess output energy to run other things too? Where's the video of the working independent replication?

These videos here are just more chum for the waters. Don't be a fish.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: albator10 on April 04, 2014, 04:37:50 AM
I also want to see a running prototype.
But if it is a scam it is a very expensive scam.
I have contated Polaris Laser Lamination for a quote for the rotor and stator and the price is :
1 unit = 1314$
20 units = 948$ / units
After that you have to add magnet wire and finish the generator and add 12 big capacitor dc motor and control, etc.
I estimate the cost of 1 unit at least 5000$ - 7000$
In the video we see 1 stator with the winding + 1 other stator...it is a lot of money for a scam....don't know....want to see more.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 04, 2014, 09:36:41 AM
Who can answer, there is permanent magnets in this divice?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 04, 2014, 09:47:47 AM



Here is the prototype.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ztt3R4Bu_0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ztt3R4Bu_0)


No permanent magnets.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 04, 2014, 09:53:37 AM


Here is the prototype.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ztt3R4Bu_0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ztt3R4Bu_0)


No permanent magnets.
Yes, seems exatly, like they divice.  :D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 04, 2014, 10:42:07 AM
http://vimeo.com/90859389 at 55 minutes can look...  ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 04, 2014, 11:51:58 AM
Don't you wonder why he doesn't just take you outside and show you the 20 kW version that has been running his house and workshop for the last 20 years?

This is just more chum for the waters. Don't be a fish.

Think about what you are being shown, what is being claimed, and what the consequences would be if what Thrapp shows and claims is true.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 04, 2014, 12:50:19 PM
Ho Hum,
Once again it will be very entertaining to see what excuses they have when they cant even get it to self loop. they have really painted themselves in a corner .
It is very profitable to sell hope (pun intended)
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on April 04, 2014, 08:20:52 PM
Who can answer, there is permanent magnets in this divice?

No PM's but;

I think you have to initialize a magnetic field with touch of 12Volt battery current into it's core. I've seen designs of very
cheap generators that use small PMM permanent magnet magnetos to do this instead. That is how I would have designed it.
Yet on the other hand I've heard of expensive generators where you needed to reflash their field if they have sat for any
amount of time. This one would need a flashed stator field, I think.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 05, 2014, 06:15:51 AM
Actually the "stator" field is 220 dc pulsed with a Tesla style spark gap and is looped in a lc circuit where the coil is an interestingly large air core coil. And the main core has a independent high voltage primary/secondary that is also in a lc configuration. The plans are available here complete with vendor suggestions:
http://pesn.com/2014/03/26/9602463_Quantum-Energy-Generator_QEG_Open-Sourced/ (http://pesn.com/2014/03/26/9602463_Quantum-Energy-Generator_QEG_Open-Sourced/)
Take a look and you won't have to keep wondering.


I think the idea is to synchronize the rotor cycle in such a way so that the hard hitting torque will always be relieved. The high voltage primary/secondary lc, creates a low current draw for temporary internal energy storage and thus the usual heavy drag in the core can possibly be delayed long enough for the push back to hit after the rotor has passed without seeing the heavy torque usually associated by a brute force generator, as they say timing is everything.


interestingly, the output frequency is said to be 400hz while the rotor spins at ~40hz but must be tuned to just the right speed to maximize output. This 10x frequency differential could account for the claimed 10x performance differential.


Also, the spark gap seems to be set in the circuit in such a way as to relieve the high pressure that would normally be associated to push a large current and additionally help keep it off the rotor maybe even somehow allows for pulling extra electrons from the air.


I thought this was a place for incubating free energy ideas, not for tearing them apart.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 05, 2014, 06:46:33 AM
Very good explanation shinz62.    Trolls are out in force on this one because it is generating a lot of interest.   they must try to crush all hope before it gets bigger cause if the trolls fail they'll get their nuts crushed by their owners.  they are sweating bullets on this one.   video on the front page here shows it running. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi4ldwgfOmk&list=PLO6FJVqlxatdprKQA1BhrJCML2tbomVJ2&feature=player_embedded


They've already got it looped but in their words they aren't focused on proving to everyone right now.   they want to get people building them who really need them.  they will have a better video showing it looped soon enough.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 05, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
I'll tell you what, SteelPU.

Today is the 5th of April. I predict that, by the 5th of May, there will STILL be no credible evidence that this device can "run itself" and provide useful excess power output.

Running itself means, of course, that it isn't running on batteries or a mains connection or anything like that, it is running solely on whatever it is itself producing. Providing useful excess power output... well, let's not expect too much. How about the usual "1 kW" bank of incandescent light bulbs.

So, in one month, if they or anyone else DOES provide credible evidence that it "works" as they claim, I'll stand up in public and make a full and abject apology to you, to HopeGirl, to Timothy Thrapp and whomever else may have been offended or misled by my rabid skepticism. OK?

And in one month, if they DO NOT Provide that kind of credible evidence..... YOU will apologize to ME, publicly and abjectly and so forth, and you will agree to think twice before insulting your critics again.

Fair enough?

Need three months instead of one month? How about a year, would that be more fair? What length of time would be "fair" to you, for this simple wager?

No, the "demonstration" of this device that Thrapp provided in 2010 doesn't count as "credible".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 05, 2014, 10:55:23 AM
LOL   you must be new here,   of course we want success and a replication over and over again.   Mark, MS and most of us have seen this show hundreds of times.  Claims of an OU device and then just excuses.  We HOPE more than ourselves to have this pan out as true,  yet after so many "NOTS" the pattern is VERY evident even to a novice.   Let's see this device self run before we count our blessings.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 05, 2014, 10:57:43 AM
Troll??? Growllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    Your just so funny we must laugh!   
It seems always some new person who has very little time studying the hundreds of devices and claims at is so very ready to jump right in and be convinced of a unsupported claim.   Tell you what,  when this QEG is still unproven in a month  (without excuses) you or we admit the opinion was incorrect.   Personally I think Oil is a smelly business from the ground up  (pun intended) and those energy sellers are death dealers.   Most of us seeing this QEG have the same opinion on that,  we hope all things like this were true.  Yet of course some people just want to have attention how be it short lived and of a false nature.  After all,  everyone gets their 15 secs per lifetime right?   Just sit back SteelTPU and watch a bit before you go spending any money, don't hock the family nest egg just yet.  We don't hope for anything but a working device,  but of course this so far has all the indicators of being just another bogus claim.  If not where is the procedural evidence in video that is straight forward to measure?    Always the new guy we can blame "Trolls!!" on, lol.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 05, 2014, 11:11:38 AM
I think Mark Dansie and TK are right that this is a big Fake.

There is not yet a selflooping prototype from the QEG people,
they just have lighted a few light bulbs, but with lots of input power...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5IdtaqNFBs
Taiwan has resonance ....
but she deactivated the comments, when I asked about output versus input power....


The Witts unit of Thrapp was a fake, as you could see, that using the light bulb loads did not change
the RPMs of the motor and you see, that he screws out the light bulbs first, before shutting his device off,
so the light bulbs were just powered by the grid and not his generator ! Otherwise you would have seen and heard
at least a slight RPM change ! But there was non, so there were hidden cables to the light bulb from the grid...

So I am 100 % sure that the WITTS unit is a fraud to collect donation money as they did until now...
Now Hopegirl started a lot of Hope and collected already almost 27.000 US$ for it from their Indigogo campaign...

Are they paying the money back, if they don´t get it to run selflooped ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 05, 2014, 07:32:25 PM
Troll??? Growllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    Your just so funny we must laugh!   
It seems always some new person who has very little time studying the hundreds of devices and claims at is so very ready to jump right in and be convinced of a unsupported claim.   Tell you what,  when this QEG is still unproven in a month  (without excuses) you or we admit the opinion was incorrect.   Personally I think Oil is a smelly business from the ground up  (pun intended) and those energy sellers are death dealers.   Most of us seeing this QEG have the same opinion on that,  we hope all things like this were true.  Yet of course some people just want to have attention how be it short lived and of a false nature.  After all,  everyone gets their 15 secs per lifetime right?   Just sit back SteelTPU and watch a bit before you go spending any money, don't hock the family nest egg just yet.  We don't hope for anything but a working device,  but of course this so far has all the indicators of being just another bogus claim.  If not where is the procedural evidence in video that is straight forward to measure?    Always the new guy we can blame "Trolls!!" on, lol.

my comment wasn't directed at you.   I don't post much.   I've been reading this forum for years before you signed on.  been looking at free energy before you were born.    I like your name but noticed a shift lately in your mindset.  Don't move to the dark side or they'll trap you there forever.   Keep HOPE.   Universal law states You give power to what you focus on.   

Tinsel your need to be right must be overwhelming.   I have no problem admitting I'm wrong.   give it a year
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Eligos on April 05, 2014, 10:28:19 PM
Let's give it a few more days fellas, we could be happily surprised.
I'm trying to find a blog that the Chinese Engineers could be using to share their info, if anyone finds one, please share it here.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 06, 2014, 12:18:58 AM
Ta DA!!!  Ok, this is just a link to HopeGirls webby AND request for sponsor moneys.   Costs are quoted,  it does not align with the costs we were told.   Maybe the more hard data we gain and present here, the more we can see the overall true picture.


Home Quantum Energy Generator | Indiegogo (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator?c=activity)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 06, 2014, 12:36:03 AM
And I have every HOPE that COP >1 will be discovered and modeled into a working device.  I am only trying to filter the muck from the true worthwhile projects.   It will not come from a group that knowingly misdirects and shares erroneous information.   And please send me "support seekers" need this why?....if they have a working device why not use it to gain all the monies they need?   Logic here reasons that there is something fishy in this stream.  "That link states they need to money to build a working device,  NOT THAT THEY HAVE already built one".
Which statement is the truth?  I mean at one time I was ready to hock my heritage heirlooms just to build a COP > 1 device which was modeled here.  Even videos of it working,  being carried though out a house and yard.  Only to find out later it was a fraud.   People on the edge have needs so great that perhaps they will sink their ship in hopes and belief for a better life.  This is a dangerous thing,  to fool around with peoples lives.  So my "feeling" is to be open to all this information, yet to be cautious and have hard facts before swimming for a supposed shore.   


AND SteelTPU  you know I have been rained on many many times during my lifetime,  yet I do not hide in my house or withdraw from activities just because someone says it might rain.  So don't allow someone (me) to cancel your desire to help and be an active forum commenter.


BTW we both join the forum 13 days apart in July of 2010.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 06, 2014, 03:11:17 AM
Good points on desperate people Hope.  I may be mistakenly assuming no one here is going to jump head first into a pool without first checking to see if it has water.  been wrong before though.  I was reading this forum for a long time before I signed up in 2010.  mostly don't post as I feel I have to spray myself down with Troll-OFF before coming in here. 

please everyone reading don't break the bank to try some new build.  let experimenters who have a little extra $$ give it a try.   other than those reasons I can only think the heavy troll activity is for suppression. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 06, 2014, 03:14:19 AM
hartiberlin please tell us why my browser warns "web site tried to access data on canvas" when I come to overunity.com.  The HTML5 canvas element functionality can be used to try to fingerprint your machine (http://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~hovav/dist/canvas.pdf) and/or track you via assigned identifiers embedded within images.   WHY?

I'm posting this publicly instead of PM to harti because people need to know this.   might be a good reason but I'd like to hear why
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 06, 2014, 04:25:14 AM
Quote from: TinselKoala
And in one month, if they DO NOT Provide that kind of credible evidence..... YOU will apologize to ME, publicly and abjectly and so forth, and you will agree to think twice before insulting your critics again.

Good grief man - now you're sounding like Erron
over at the other place!

The QEG may not be the ultimate answer, but it
is clearly a step in the right direction.  Those who
are experienced in Magnetic Switching should be
able with creativity and innovation to find the way
to get it done.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 06, 2014, 06:16:42 AM
Good grief man - now you're sounding like Erron
over at the other place!

The QEG may not be the ultimate answer, but it
is clearly a step in the right direction.  Those who
are experienced in Magnetic Switching should be
able with creativity and innovation to find the way
to get it done.

OK... I'll give you, SeaMonkey, a YEAR then. If, by April 15, 2015,  any of these "experienced" people can produce a self runner, with excess output power, using the information from HopeGirl.... or Keshe or Bedini or Thrapp or anyone else.... I'll publicly apologize and I'll even STOP POSTING, I'll withdraw totally and disappear.

But if they DON'T.... I'll expect the same from you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 06, 2014, 06:35:11 PM
Hopegirl doing good work! :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Freezer on April 07, 2014, 12:47:57 AM
I'll publicly apologize and I'll even STOP POSTING, I'll withdraw totally and disappear.
You mean like alsetalokin did?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 07, 2014, 12:54:08 AM
Quote from: TinselKoala
OK... I'll give you, SeaMonkey, a YEAR then. If, by April 15, 2015,  any of these "experienced" people can produce a self runner, with excess output power, using the information from HopeGirl.... or Keshe or Bedini or Thrapp or anyone else.... I'll publicly apologize and I'll even STOP POSTING, I'll withdraw totally and disappear.

But if they DON'T.... I'll expect the same from you.

Nay, those demands seem a bit excessive to
my way of thinking.  Your input is just too
important to the fullness of the entire breadth
of discussion here at this forum - to ask you to
disappear is just not possible.** ;)

I fully expect that we'll see some measure of
success relatively soon as work on the modification
of the device with innovation proceeds.  The guys
in Taiwan have already discovered an unexpected
problem and have resolved to make correction.

That it works at all as a generator is encouraging.

[** You'd probably re-appear anyhow. 8)   With a
new persona. ::) ]
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on April 07, 2014, 01:14:35 PM

Yes they apparently have insulation problems with the resonant HV field coil. One should expect this, but why wasn't this worked
out by Tharp? The coil is located very near the metal toroid ring core. This causes the coil to be very long, so layer to
layer voltage is very high, breaking down insulation.


Massive utility power generators produce only 2KVAC then they have to have extensive and expensive transformer
switchyards to step this up. Probably so they don't couple into any untoward "radiant" energy. Customers will gladly
pay though.


----

Also, I noticed too that they lit only two bulbs, a paltry and not necessarily overunity load, but you've got to understand
they've taken on the excessive challange of building a demand oriented generator. The generator has to automatically
adjust it's internal power to the power level of external loads. This automatic system has to be performed heuristically
because before the modern age they could not design discrete systems to do it because the blocks were too expensive.
The Testatika machine had the same problem solved in the same way. Because they probably had not yet adjusted
these parameters they couldn't put more load on it. This is why people say overunity systems tend to catch on fire.
The people designing them don't understand demand systems theory. This is the same reason that critics don't have
a clue.


:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 07, 2014, 03:56:56 PM
Well, from the interview Sterling now did with FTW Hopegirl and parents,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ)

there was released new informations:

1. They don´t yet have a selfrunning prototype, just claiming
2. a 400 Hz unit running on 1/10 the input power. 50 or 60 Hz would also work , but makes too much mechanical wobble problems.
3. Inductance of the core changing between 30 to 40 Henries, so seems to be parametric oscillation.
4. the "Power band with the 10:1 output" as the call it are claimed to come from a mechanical resonance of the core vibrating
at around 400 Hz and is parametrically induced by the spinning iron core rotor.
5. Maximum output power was measured at around 9300 Watts, but the average power is around 3 to 4 KWatts.

What Sterling failed to address is the following:

He did not ask them how much input power the drive motor did draw, when the output operates at the average 3 to 4 KWatts output?
How did they exactly measure the input and output power ? Is there already any 3rd party verification of these power measurements ?
Hope is nice, but as Mark Dansie always says: Show me the data !  Has any 3rd party seen the measurement results data yet ?

==============

I still believe that the WITTS unit was a scam to collect donation money.

Anyway let´s see, what comes out of it...

BTW, here is another forum, where infos are posted about it:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/index (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/index)

If they have new infos. Please also post it here.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 07, 2014, 04:06:38 PM
Delays to test the unit due to coil arcing:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/118-important-update-from-the-taiwan-team-april-6

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 07, 2014, 05:43:24 PM

You mean like alsetalokin did?
You may not believe this, but the _impostor_ called "alsetalokin" who briefly had an account on this forum.... and even copied the _real_ alsetalokin's icon... is not now and never was me. That one was from Italy, iirc, and we really got pissed off by his theft of the icon and the posts he was making. Why do you think I have to use "TinselKoala" here? It's because that sucker already registered "alsetalokin".

Quote
[** You'd probably re-appear anyhow. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/cool.gif)   With a
new persona. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) ]

Nope... when I go, I'm gone.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 07, 2014, 05:57:11 PM
I told you they didn't have a working prototype. They are working on faith alone. They are sure it will work because it was Revealed to them, in a dream or by channelling or something like that.

And I am sure that it won't work. People have been swinging magnets past heavy coils and generating high voltages for quite some time now, so nobody should be excited that they are able to do that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto
And surely they should have been Told by their Source that they could expect arcing if they weren't properly insulated. Heck, I myself could have told them that much. But they didn't ask me, for some reason.

Never fear, in "two or three days" when they have their coil rewound, there will be some other problem that prevents it "temporarily" from running itself. Stock up on popcorn and beer now, it will be a great show!


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 07, 2014, 06:14:52 PM
I told you they didn't have a working prototype. They are working on faith alone. They are sure it will work because it was Revealed to them, in a dream or by channelling or something like that.


They maybe not have self runnig, but man, who build QEG get output 5 kilowats, maximum maybe 9 kilowats. Input motor maybe 500-1000 watss, so Free energy is, if we assume, that he not wery good meshure, then input, let say, 1000 W and output is 2 kilowats. Here also free energy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 07, 2014, 06:58:06 PM
From Sterling: ""...One thing that is important to know is that this QEG is still in the R&D phase of being characterized and optimized. It isn't yet to the point of stability that is ready for people to build and power their homes with it.

 The Fix the World organization wanted to open source this R&D process to speed the development time...""
Also concerns about them asking for donations as proof this is some scam make no sense.   If you had a free energy device or even a good concept and wanted to teach it to others in countries far from home do you think traveling to foreign countries is cheap?   It takes a lot of money to do what they are doing (very altruistic IMO) and so it seems only reasonable they would want to have some contributions to help out.   After all this engineer quit a very good job with Honda to move forward with this.   I don't think for a minute they are scamming any one.  They may or may not have a valid device but I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt to see if it all pans out.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Paul-R on April 07, 2014, 07:08:56 PM
...they should have been Told by their Source...
... to go out and build a boat and put on it two of each species.

They should count themselves lucky that this did not happen. If they jerk us around they may well find that they ARE "Told by their source" to buiild that boat. Then they will be in a right Royal stew.

Why is it that any mention of the Divine seems to be the kiss of death when Tesla told us that the world was so electrical that God must clearly be an electrician.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 07, 2014, 09:15:07 PM
Quote from: TinSelKoAla
People have been swinging magnets past heavy coils and generating high voltages for quite some time now, so nobody should be excited that they are able to do that.

Aye, so they have.  And though it has worked well
the problem of loading dragging down input has
not been solved.

Magnetic Switching, if done properly, will make the
difference.  Those who exercise sufficient creativity
and innovation will find the way.

We've probably all experienced how a strong magnet
can become so firmly attached to a piece of large
metal that it is nearly impossible to pull it off.   But it
can be slid to the edge and removed rather easily.

Is that the concept which we should be paying
attention to?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sterlinga on April 08, 2014, 01:19:12 AM
We've created an open source hub for this project at http://QEG.builders which forwards to PESWiki

Feel free to join in. PESWiki is a publicly editable site.

See also the interview I had recently with the FTW people:
http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ (http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 08, 2014, 01:31:39 AM
I am sorry but I think there are going to be a lot of long faces and HopeGirl is going to become HeatGirl.  These "big coil and secret sauce" deals come around every year like clockwork.

The thing about the relatively new phenomenon of crowd funding is a lot of the deals call for zero accountability from the recipients of the money.  It would not be hard at all to "script" out this whole thing and walk away with your cash bomb and divvy up say two-thirds of the money with your team.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: cheappower2012 on April 08, 2014, 01:38:11 AM
I don't believe this is a scam,more like a delusion by Hopegirl ,her step dad and wife.
Its obvious there never was a working prototype,you are dealing with pure hope,and mass delusion.
In a way its funny,how stupid can people be,more stupid that you can imagine.Before anyone brands me a total skeptic
I believe there are a few real world devices,that appear to be free energy devices but are converters of a
new undiscovered energy source,defeating of conservation of energy and matter is not possible.
A free energy device is not possible however a converter is allowed.This device as pointed out is a replicate of the Witt
ministries device which is a scam and a hoax.Another mass delusion thats going on is in the Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator
thread.People believe that a Russian aka (sharkhead) made a self running device with no evidence  but
crappy videos.This started a mass delusion to replicate a device that can not work,will not work,is a prank by the sharkhead.The hope is theres a magic combination of transformer windings and conditions  that will create free energy,its a mass delusion.
This mass delusion extends to the OUR forum,funny stuff,I bring this up because this mass delusion is very similar to the
Hopegirl (QEG)mass delusion.The only good thing that comes out of this is that if a real device
was created ,it could spread world wide in a very short time,the cooperation of people world wide is really amazing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 08, 2014, 01:50:13 AM
Hi CheapPower 2012
I agree it is more a delusion than a scam, but it has the ingredients of a scam being censorship, mistruths and requests for money.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 08, 2014, 02:05:04 AM
Hi CheapPower 2012
I agree it is more a delusion than a scam, but it has the ingredients of a scam being censorship, mistriths and requests for money.
Kind Regards
Mark
I was chatting with some of them yesterday in their Skype room. Nice people. I asked for some hard data and they promised next week so presumably at the conference. They certainly seem genuine. Will wait and see if they are deluded.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 08, 2014, 02:10:44 AM
I am sorry but I think there are going to be a lot of long faces and HopeGirl is going to become HeatGirl.  These "big coil and secret sauce" deals come around every year like clockwork.

The thing about the relatively new phenomenon of crowd funding is a lot of the deals call for zero accountability from the recipients of the money.  It would not be hard at all to "script" out this whole thing and walk away with your cash bomb and divvy up say two-thirds of the money with your team.
Is there any secret sauce here? Apart from the lack of hard data on performance Is there anything we don't know about construction or operation? They seem to have been fairly open about that. I've spoken to a couple of others who have said they are getting direct help via skype on their replications.
The end result maybe that it does not work as advertised but I'm not seeing anything hidden or dishonest here.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: cheappower2012 on April 08, 2014, 02:33:40 AM
markdansie

People have a tendency to Hope,even if theres no chance that this device will
 work,they may believe
they can fix the problems as they go along,thats why they ask for more money,
its funny and sad, as no amount of money can make this device work.
A friend who studies people and Hope,said to me, Hope is the most powerful force in the world
I think hes right.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 08, 2014, 03:16:21 AM
Is there any secret sauce here? Apart from the lack of hard data on performance Is there anything we don't know about construction or operation? They seem to have been fairly open about that. I've spoken to a couple of others who have said they are getting direct help via skype on their replications.
The end result maybe that it does not work as advertised but I'm not seeing anything hidden or dishonest here.
Then why declare it is real, and all the spin that goes with it.
Kind regards
PS I know others far more worthy than this

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 08, 2014, 03:40:24 AM
I am sorry but I think there are going to be a lot of long faces and HopeGirl is going to become HeatGirl.  These "big coil and secret sauce" deals come around every year like clockwork.

The thing about the relatively new phenomenon of crowd funding is a lot of the deals call for zero accountability from the recipients of the money.  It would not be hard at all to "script" out this whole thing and walk away with your cash bomb and divvy up say two-thirds of the money with your team.
Well they have made $28,595 with crowd funding so far.   Maybe enough for their team fly to Taiwan, pay for food and accommodations and the cost of their initial unit they've spent 6 months building (but little or nothing for their labor).   Sorry you think so low of people and a career engineer no less.   I cannot imagine any way this is going to make them rich with the plans they have laid out.   Except maybe rich in Karma if it all works out to give those who really need energy just to have clean water and heat in the freezing cold.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 08, 2014, 03:52:41 AM
My bad because I did not do my due diligence and check on how much they raised.  I had read about a few other crowd funding campaigns where they raised hundreds of thousands of dollars.  Neil Young just raised a fortune for his high definition audio player.  I assumed that they had raised a few hundred thousand dollars.  (I see it's in the $28K range now (typo?), not just a few thousand.)

On topic, here is a quote from the QED forum:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/157-update-april-7-qeg-team-in-taiwan (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/157-update-april-7-qeg-team-in-taiwan)

Quote
From James from the FTW QEG team in Taiwan:
 
 Hello All, This is James. just wanted to post an update to let you know how we made out with resolving the insulation issue... It was another amazing day! As we said, yesterday we stripped all the wire off the two primary coils to prepare for replacing the insulation and rewinding. Today our host took us to a winding company here in Taiwan that also specializes in developing insulation systems.
 
 This is one of the top 3 companies in the country, and one of the best in Asia (our host has amazing connections). They build coils for some of the biggest names in the world, and we had the entire design team in the conference room! It was amazing to watch their faces as we began to explain what the QEG is and how it works! (we get that all the time).
 
 So they were intrigued and excited, and agreed  to take on the repair. They will also build up Taiwan's second (bare) core with their improved insulation system from the bare core up. They confirmed almost immediately that what was needed was interlayer insulation to prevent this happening again, and to ruggedize the design.
 
 So they will add mylar interlayer insulation and rewind the two primary coils on the first core, and they say they can complete it by end of work day tomorrow. We'll go pick it back up tomorrow evening and put it back together wednesday morning, to resume tuning and testing.

This still is my business and I can tell you, in my opinion, that this whole story is not real sounding at all.  The only way you could get a bunch of engineers in a room is if you were doing real volume business, like you were buying 20,000 typical small transformers a month (and even that is more or less chump change).  "We had the entire design team in the conference room."  One of the few times I use this: ROTFLMAO

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 08, 2014, 04:04:26 AM
Schematic:
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 08, 2014, 04:14:24 AM
Then why declare it is real, and all the spin that goes with it.
Kind regards
PS I know others far more worthy than this


My take on it is that they are idealists that honestly believe they have something that is wondrous for humanity and are doing all they can to get it out there including the spin. I agree with you that the videos and rhetoric make me roll my eyes and I am waiting for the next vid to have unicorns & rainbows.
However I don't think they are dishonest.
If you know others far more worthy lets promote the crap out of them :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: yfree on April 08, 2014, 06:38:08 AM
QEG is real.
This is a parametric oscillator (inductance is the parameter) oscillating at the ferro-resonance frequency of the core. This worked in 1934 when Mandelstam and Papalexi (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf) experimented with it (concentrate on the experimental part of the paper on page 123). The original paper can be found here (http://www.cheniere.org/references/RussianParametric.pdf). It will also work this time. The excess energy is coming from the iron nuclei in the core through acoustic NQR excitation.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 08, 2014, 08:52:17 AM
I was chatting with some of them yesterday in their Skype room. Nice people. I asked for some hard data and they promised next week so presumably at the conference. They certainly seem genuine. Will wait and see if they are deluded.
Dont bealeave any promises, because you not know what be after 5 minutes.  ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 08, 2014, 08:55:34 AM
Who can say, exciter coil only inpruwing free energy, but free energy is without it or without it this divice not generate free energy?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 08, 2014, 09:25:40 AM
Yfree,

Many thanks for the link to the research paper/article (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf).

Fascinating.

Page 123 of the original publication corresponds to page
43 of the .pdf.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 08, 2014, 11:13:48 AM
I feel this topic is moving in a positive result.   There are many people excited about it being possible.  Even if HopeGirls device does or doesn't work.  This force we are are creating is a positive one.  And it will create a positive result.  I am thankful for people who have earned my respect in the forum spending time commenting on this topic. 


It rings true even here that we are the 99%.  99% of the force behind all that is created and we WILL bring this into physical reality as well,  let us remember that and start adding our findings up and build a sum that pegs out at achievement of the goal.  I love that you all do not care about making "the money" on this.  Our hearts are in unison and is a goal worth all we can put into it.  I am proud to be part of this with you all. 


Richard Williams
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 08, 2014, 12:57:00 PM
I feel this topic is moving in a positive result.   There are many people excited about it being possible.  Even if HopeGirls device does or doesn't work.  This force we are are creating is a positive one.  And it will create a positive result.  I am thankful for people who have earned my respect in the forum spending time commenting on this topic. 

It rings true even here that we are the 99%.  99% of the force behind all that is created and we WILL bring this into physical reality as well,  let us remember that and start adding our findings up and build a sum that pegs out at achievement of the goal.  I love that you all do not care about making "the money" on this.  Our hearts are in unison and is a goal worth all we can put into it.  I am proud to be part of this with you all. 

Richard Williams


Nice sentiments and good intentions.  I see this at conferences and various other projects over the years. No amount of wishing, singing Kumbaya will make this a reality. Hard nosed science, being honest and less spin will. Every one was led up the garden path with the declaration that "free energy is now here". This is once again crying wolf and the damage is once again done by a lot of well meaning delusional people. 20,000 people downloaded plans for a device that does not work . However we here all the sales being made of components, the sending of donations and crowd funding.
I called their follya no go from day one back in November last year. The spin used was misleading and dishonest. These people have blown their credibility and all those associated with them. Shame , Shame, Shame, I know dozens of genuine inventors working. on similar projects who choose to work in privacy and only declare what they can repeat and support. they are the real hero's and always will be.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 08, 2014, 12:58:57 PM
markdansie

People have a tendency to Hope,even if theres no chance that this device will
 work,they may believe
they can fix the problems as they go along,thats why they ask for more money,
its funny and sad, as no amount of money can make this device work.
A friend who studies people and Hope,said to me, Hope is the most powerful force in the world
I think hes right.


Your friend is right and its the most profitable as well is sold right.
Kind Regards
PS I like your philosophy and intent
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 08, 2014, 01:02:56 PM
QEG is real.
This is a parametric oscillator (inductance is the parameter) oscillating at the ferro-resonance frequency of the core. This worked in 1934 when Mandelstam and Papalexi (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf) experimented with it (concentrate on the experimental part of the paper on page 123). The original paper can be found here (http://www.cheniere.org/references/RussianParametric.pdf). It will also work this time. The excess energy is coming from the iron nuclei in the core through acoustic NQR excitation.
i was reaching for the word to use. It evades me
Please supply the data to support your hypothesis
However I applaud your efforts and research and original thinking
Mark.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on April 08, 2014, 06:02:22 PM
scematic ...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 08, 2014, 10:05:11 PM

Nice sentiments and good intentions.  I see this at conferences and various other projects over the years. No amount of wishing, singing Kumbaya will make this a reality. Hard nosed science, being honest and less spin will. Every one was led up the garden path with the declaration that "free energy is now here". This is once again crying wolf and the damage is once again done by a lot of well meaning delusional people. 20,000 people downloaded plans for a device that does not work . However we here all the sales being made of components, the sending of donations and crowd funding.
I called their follya no go from day one back in November last year. The spin used was misleading and dishonest. These people have blown their credibility and all those associated with them. Shame , Shame, Shame, I know dozens of genuine inventors working. on similar projects who choose to work in privacy and only declare what they can repeat and support. they are the real hero's and always will be.
Kind Regards
Mark
Here's the thing that puzzles me - wtf are they seeing? Just listened to the interview. 4kw of continuous output?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 09, 2014, 01:23:59 AM
Looking at that schematic it looks like somebody saw a high voltage AC resonance signal at the output and got all excited.  The problem is that it doesn't represent power output!  Put a load on that and the resonant tank will empty.

But there is an engineer backing the project.  If the guy is real it's impossible for him to be fooled by that unless he is either a fraud or a beyond-stupid real engineer.

I am waiting for the tears!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7uC5m-IRns
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 09, 2014, 01:48:26 AM
The guy is an engineer, but he's not a normal "fraud" nor is he beyond-stupid, exactly. He's religiously motivated.

He had a dream or vision; the design and its operation are Channeled or Revealed to him by a Higher Power, so he knows it must be true. I'm not kidding, it's buried in their websites somewhere if they haven't removed it.

Maybe Timmy Thrapp hypnotized him.

WhateverGirl, I don't know about her. I've been watching old episodes of "48 Hours" so I'm ready to believe in all kinds of evil in the hearts of people.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 09, 2014, 01:57:28 AM
Timothy Thrapp must be having an erg-o-gasm!  He probably never got more publicity than this!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 09, 2014, 02:24:59 AM
Timothy Thrapp must be having an erg-o-gasm!  He probably never got more publicity than this!


From what I'm reading the Thrapp bloke is not involved anymore FWIW. Thanks for the explanation of what they might be seeing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: kajunkreations on April 09, 2014, 03:47:12 AM
This guy does have a few patents...not that they pertain to this...http://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/james_m_robitaille_1.html (http://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/james_m_robitaille_1.html)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 09, 2014, 05:51:57 AM
@Jimboot


Your info. on Tharpp is incorrect. Just last Wednesday his broadcast interview shows he's still managing the WITTS organization. (#189)  http://www.witts.ws/189/


At about 45 min. into the video, he gets into some details about the FTW QED.


I am more than convinced the Tharpp and FTW device is real and works. There will be confirmations soon.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: woopy on April 09, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Hi all

I took the time to listen to the interview of James at peswiki , and i was puzzled by the fact that the power could come from the physical steel vibration (or resonance) so i made this small experiment.

http://youtu.be/mLK1VG8h2Wc

hope this helps

laurent
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 10, 2014, 01:34:43 AM
Woopy:

That looks like a "microphone" effect.  If there is even a small amount of remnant magnetic field in the core, then that means you have a "moving coil" and a magnet interacting like any other generator coil.

I know others have stated that this may make the magnetic domains in the core's metal lattice change orientation because of the mechanical/acoustic pressure waves in the core when you strike it.  That would also be similar to the above, but this time it would be more of a "moving magnet" and a coil interacting like any other generator coil.  I don't know anything about this effect though.

Perhaps it is the two effects combined.

A real challenge would be to measure the amount of electrical energy in Joules that you get out of the system when you strike it with the piece of stainless steel.  I am not asking you to pursue that, it's more of an intellectual challenge.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 10, 2014, 03:34:46 AM
Latest German replication https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKGSNFyfodY#t=91 still under unity
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 10, 2014, 03:44:10 AM
Hi Woopy and all,

believe it or not, yesterday I did the same test as you did Woopy. I have many MOTs already cut open, so it was an easy test to do.
I got the same result on the scope as you. Looks like a change in Inductance cause a voltage rise. So, at a fixed rpm and the right capacitance it should bring the tank circuit to resonance.

In a few days I'll make a video of my findings

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 10, 2014, 04:07:40 AM
You may or may not want to read this. I am not kind to HopeGirl in it. not because of the technology but promises made to others less fortunate and raising funds in their name


http://revolution-green.com/false-hopes-qeg-spin-doctors-go-quiet/


Kind Regards
mark




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 10, 2014, 04:29:40 AM
People have been bedazzled into buying into something that has never been proven.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 10, 2014, 04:34:04 AM
Heartfelt post Mark. Good questions to be asked. Typo in no.4 tho
4. If you did where is the evidence, the data and thrid party verification?[/font][/size]

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and here  Personnel Insight
BTW Their skype group is pretty active and I have posted your story in there... now I may get booted :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 10, 2014, 04:58:04 AM
Heartfelt post Mark. Good questions to be asked. Typo in no.4 tho
4. If you did where is the evidence, the data and thrid party verification?[/font][/size]

[/font][/size]
and here  Personnel Insight
BTW Their skype group is pretty active and I have posted your story in there... now I may get booted :)


Thanks Jim, I will fix the typo...I was pretty angry when I write it I will calm down and edit.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 10, 2014, 04:59:43 AM
Its the Keyboard I feel sorry for... ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 10, 2014, 05:05:50 AM
Mark D.,

Near the bottom of your False Hopes critique page (http://revolution-green.com/false-hopes-qeg-spin-doctors-go-quiet/)
you link to a video which is "one of the latest failed att[e]mpts."

The audio portion of the video has the characteristic sound
of QED resonance but no other amplifying detail about what
the video is supposed to represent.

Do you have knowledge about the video?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 10, 2014, 05:30:13 AM
 ;D Just a different way to 'ring' the bell  ;)

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 10, 2014, 05:47:21 AM
Mark D.,

Near the bottom of your False Hopes critique page (http://revolution-green.com/false-hopes-qeg-spin-doctors-go-quiet/)
you link to a video which is "one of the latest failed att[e]mpts."

The audio portion of the video has the characteristic sound
of QED resonance but no other amplifying detail about what
the video is supposed to represent.

Do you have knowledge about the video?
only what i read of the forums and it is under unity, as will be all the videos presented. resonance is about the most commonplace thing you will find in electronics. it is used in this case to baffle people with Bullshit.
Kind Regards

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 10, 2014, 01:42:06 PM
I think the video from Laurent at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc

might be based on stimulated Barckhausen Noise magnetic domain flipping,
when he strikes the core with his other metal bar.

Interesting effect.

Laurent, what are the maximum peak voltages you can achieve this way and when you
load this coil with the same  output resistor value as the high turn coil has itsself
as its ohmic resistance, so Coilresistance = load resistance, what voltage will you get then
at the load resistor ?

Many thanks for showing this interesting effect.

Regards, Stefan.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on April 10, 2014, 01:44:46 PM
COOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLL DOCUMENTS ...

PLYZ TRANSLIATE ENGLIS ...

www.cheniere.org/references/RussianParametric.pdf
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 10, 2014, 01:55:04 PM
Gramme's anchor ring?
http://www.eti.kit.edu/english/1390.php
Look a little like the wimshurst, with collector but without brushes.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 10, 2014, 02:01:01 PM
I was just sent this, it might have been from the Skype room


" Apparently, things have gotten out of hand in this network and we have trolls and too many negative comments. To protect the integrity of this precious project for humanity I must leave this QEG Network room.  For those of you who are sincere, please watch for updated blogposts as this breakthrough rolls out. Thank you and blessings to all. -HopeGirl"


So the questions go unanswered?


Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: lechancel on April 10, 2014, 02:01:32 PM
found that.... hope it's help
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 02:22:19 PM
Mark D.,

Near the bottom of your False Hopes critique page (http://revolution-green.com/false-hopes-qeg-spin-doctors-go-quiet/)
you link to a video which is "one of the latest failed att[e]mpts."

The audio portion of the video has the characteristic sound
of QED resonance but no other amplifying detail about what
the video is supposed to represent.

Do you have knowledge about the video?

You are really funny. What is the "characteristic sound of QED resonance?" Oh... that's right, it's the sound in that video!


It sounds to me like a badly balanced rotating assembly is knocking itself to pieces, actually.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 10, 2014, 02:27:15 PM
TK and others, not trolling! If you not see good in QEG, then just go away.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on April 10, 2014, 02:28:14 PM
found that.... hope it's help

THANKS THANKS THANKS THANKS ..................
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 02:36:17 PM
I was just sent this, it might have been from the Skype room


" Apparently, things have gotten out of hand in this network and we have trolls and too many negative comments. To protect the integrity of this precious project for humanity I must leave this QEG Network room.  For those of you who are sincere, please watch for updated blogposts as this breakthrough rolls out. Thank you and blessings to all. -HopeGirl"


So the questions go unanswered?


Mark
WhateverGirl cannot take the heat. When those Taiwanese finally conclude that they have been defrauded and start looking for her and her minions, she will already be long gone. Next stop Morocco, with the rest of the cultists hiding out there.

Take a really close look at this smug, cynical fraudster. She is laughing inside at all the people who are gullible enough to fund her world travel vacations.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 10, 2014, 02:39:56 PM
I was just sent this, it might have been from the Skype room


" Apparently, things have gotten out of hand in this network and we have trolls and too many negative comments. To protect the integrity of this precious project for humanity I must leave this QEG Network room.  For those of you who are sincere, please watch for updated blogposts as this breakthrough rolls out. Thank you and blessings to all. -HopeGirl"


So the questions go unanswered?


Mark
Hi Mark - that was me - yeah I unleashed a little sh-tstorm I'm afraid. I posted a link to your post and it brought out a number of comments that basically agreed with you. I didn't see anything too negative but we were collectively labelled as trolls because we were off topic as the group was to discuss replications. A bit strong I thought as I have said from day one Hope & her family seem genuine whether they have something or not. I have asked several times in the group about real data and have been told to wait for next week. Which is fine by me.
Some have said they know it works and when I asked how, they said they have faith. Good for them. 
For my part I have been trying to reconcile what seem like good people with your own and Tinselheads comments (love that name now). How could seemingly honest people be so wrong as you guys stated. It kind of feels a bit amwayish now.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 02:49:39 PM
Amwayish. That's an understatement. More like Heaven's-Gate-ish, or Jonestown-ish, if you ask me.

Good people? Well, perhaps some of them are, believing themselves to be promoting a Revealed source of information, a religious fanatic sort of "goodness". But certainly others of them are simply cynical manipulators and fraudsters.

"Tinselhead"? Not many people know my full name, TinselHead Arbuthnot Jaspers Koala the Third. But there's no need to stand on formality, you can just call me TK. But not in the TKapanadze threads, please.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 10, 2014, 02:51:56 PM
Amwayish. That's an understatement. More like Heaven's-Gate-ish, or Jonestown-ish, if you ask me.

Good people? Well, perhaps some of them are, believing themselves to be promoting a Revealed source of information, a religious fanatic sort of "goodness". But certainly others of them are simply cynical manipulators and fraudsters.

"Tinselhead"? Not many people know my full name, TinselHead Arbuthnot Jaspers Koala the Third. But there's no need to stand on formality, you can just call me TK. But not in the TKapanadze threads, please.
Man that made me laugh -
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: woopy on April 10, 2014, 03:06:56 PM
Hi Luc

Happy that you got also the effect.

I will follow what you can do with this


Hi Stefan

The max voltage i could obtain with the cut (dismantled) MOT, is arround 10 volts. But this experiment is only made to check if we can get voltage from vibration of steel and /or rapidly modifying the inductance. And it seems it does.
But i don't think i can go much further with this setup. And probably a more complicated device, with rotating pieces should be engineered to get better results.

To all

just for info, a member of this forum  has PM me that i coul obtain up to 100 volts by tapping an old  big and not dismantled  MOT, with a steel bar.

Voila

laurent
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: DilJalaay on April 10, 2014, 03:09:01 PM
Ahhhh, so what will you say now guys....?


Free Energy April 2014 QEG Processed Core Arrives in Taiwan..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMndbX7PfuA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMndbX7PfuA)


Are they kidding...?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 03:39:29 PM
Ahhhh, so what will you say now guys....?


Free Energy April 2014 QEG Processed Core Arrives in Taiwan..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMndbX7PfuA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMndbX7PfuA)


Are they kidding...?

Are you kidding? That video is old news, it was uploaded on APRIL FOOL'S DAY, 1 April 2014, according to YouTube. There have been developments since then, involving that core, I think.....

 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: DilJalaay on April 10, 2014, 05:02:13 PM
ok, another kidding device...for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dk0cN_U3TM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dk0cN_U3TM)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 05:40:13 PM
Uh-huh. Also published on April 1.  "Do the math...."

 :P


Note to all FE/OU claimants: There are better days to post your videos. Posting them on April Fool's Day.... not recommended if you want to be taken seriously from the outset.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on April 10, 2014, 05:58:26 PM
How do you mean 01-04?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwv_hos3qyI
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 07:31:50 PM
How do you mean 01-04?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwv_hos3qyI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwv_hos3qyI)

This is how:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dk0cN_U3TM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dk0cN_U3TM)

The video in the link that I replied to is not the same link you posted. But the farther back in time you go, the more you have to ask yourself.... what happened? Did the MIB successfully suppress him? Why are we still connected to the grid?

Thrapp demonstrated a "working" QEG in 2010, years ago. So .... ask the questions.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on April 10, 2014, 08:35:01 PM
The movie is the same, so the date is not always what it looks, when reloaded by some.


Forget about the date's!


Next is old, first tests, a 3-Ph driving shaft connected to a Single phase, with exciter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AkApUyOcEg
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ramset on April 10, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
Johan
Thanks for posting your "old" experiment.

It would seem you have achieved results that show OU?



Chet
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on April 11, 2014, 04:54:21 AM
only what i read of the forums and it is under unity, as will be all the videos presented. resonance is about the most commonplace thing you will find in electronics. it is used in this case to baffle people with Bullshit.
Kind Regards

Many who think they have things figured out are going to be eating some humble pie soon. The device does work. Those who think Jim just got off the turnip truck and does not understand the simple basics of power in, and and power out, are sadly mistaken.

The laws of conservation of energy concerning electromagnetic induction are flawed and I will explain exactly why. I spent many years trying to get some free energy out of permanent magnets, and while I was never successful, I did come to understand that the scientific community has misunderstood/misrepresented electromagnetic induction from day one.

The torque/energy etc. applied to a generator shaft is not the electrical energy/torque that comes out of the generator. It appears to be, but it is a 'sleight of hand' if you will. The electrical current coming out of a generator has absolutely nothing to do with the torque applied to the generator shaft. The electrical output comes out of the supplied field which never runs down, and never runs out. The torque supplied to the generator literally 'goes out the window' due to the struggle between the supplied field and the induced field. Back emf has hypnotized people into thinking that the energy going into a generator is the energy coming out of the generator. This thinking is nonsense.

Electrical energy has never been conserved, it comes out of the supplied field over and over again, and it will continue to do so throughout eternity. The fact that we have always had to do a very relative amount of work to induce an electrical output is not relevant to the creation, or the transformation, of electrical energy that is taking place in the conventional generator.

There has never been conservation of energy in our generators and alternators. The supplied field, be it permanent or electromagnetic, pumps it out nonstop. There has always been an endless supply of electrical energy available. Unfortunately, it has always has required a relative amount of work to convert the supplied magnetic energy to electrical current output, because of the back emf encountered in the process. Find a way to get around the back emf and you have an endless supply of free energy. The QEG does not have any back emf, that is why it is able to produce FREE ENERGY! There is plenty of it around, there always has been......

P.S. If you would like to see an extraordinary display of 'supernatural energy' visit http://revelation12.ca You will be absolutely amazed at what is taking place before our very eyes!!!

.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jdsanders on April 11, 2014, 05:20:08 AM
This sounds like it's straight out of Tom Bearden's book.  Just sayin'....   8)

The electrical current coming out of a generator has absolutely nothing to do with the torque applied to the generator shaft. The electrical output comes out of the supplied field which never runs down, and never runs out. The torque supplied to the generator literally 'goes out the window' due to the struggle between the supplied field and the induced field. Back emf has hypnotized people into thinking that the energy going into a generator is the energy coming out of the generator. This thinking is nonsense.

Electrical energy has never been conserved, it comes out of the supplied field over and over again, and it will continue to do so throughout eternity. The fact that we have always had to do a very relative amount of work to induce an electrical output is not relevant to the creation, or the transformation, of electrical energy that is taking place in the conventional generator.

There has never been conservation of energy in our generators and alternators. The supplied field, be it permanent or electromagnetic, pumps it out nonstop. There has always been an endless supply of electrical energy available. Unfortunately, it has always has required a relative amount of work to convert the supplied magnetic energy to electrical current output, because of the back emf encountered in the process. Find a way to get around the back emf and you have an endless supply of free energy.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on April 11, 2014, 05:20:15 AM
If you look closely the WITTS Demo by T. Thrapp shows, that the motor does NOT slow down
when the screws in the bulbs... at minute 7:30
This is the best evidence for a fake...the motor speed
should change !

Regards, Stefan.

Not so fast Stefan, no back emf, no slow down.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on April 11, 2014, 05:28:16 AM
This sounds like it's straight out of Tom Bearden's book.  Just sayin'....   8)

Perhaps it is, I have never read much of Tom Bearden's material but he probably got it from me through Bill Muller in Penticton BC. Back in the early 80's I was working with Bill Muller building stationary armature generators that were the forerunners to Bill's efforts to drive the rotor with the induction coils. Bearden and Bill became friends after I left the venture.

Bill and I ordered four of John Ecklin's cores at that time and were experimenting with them when I had an idea to mount them all together and stagger the frames to eliminate the static losses on the iron rotors. The Ecklin core/rotor setup of course, is similar to the QEG. We never had any success with Johns design, but we only utilized a minimal amount of windings and never had any notions of mechanical resonance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on April 11, 2014, 05:41:48 AM
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 11, 2014, 05:47:27 AM
Imagine you had a setup with a handle connected to a gearbox so you could crank it with your arms.  The output of the gearbox drives a generator connected to a 100-watt light bulb.  When the light bulb starts to light up you will feel the extra mechanical power you have to supply with your bare arms.  It's actually almost shocking to see how much torque you have to apply as the light bulb gets brighter.  That's the way it works.

The way these stories are so far fetched sometimes it's incredible, except it really happens.  I read the snippets of the guy talking about running his 90-minute test supposedly driving 4 kilowatts.  In 10 sentences or less he could have described how he took the raw output from the QED and then used a transformer to drive a load.  What transformer?  What load?  So you interview the 'tech' guy and he has noting substantive to say at all about the output section and the load and his test and his voltages?  ha ha ha

And just as shocking all of the 'replicators' are probably not talking about this either.  The "500 watt load 1000 watts in" clip looks like somebody just playing with coils and discovering them for the first time.  At least from the glimpses that I saw.

You almost have to be 'crazy' to promote this thing and never once having tried to produce a useful output.  Is the output high frequency or is it 400 Hz, I think I read both.  If it is 400 Hz then there must be stuff available off-the-shelf because they use 400 Hz power in aviation.

It's a new Invasion of the Body Snatchers!  Mass hysteria!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on April 11, 2014, 06:30:54 AM


See also the interview I had recently with the FTW people:
http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ (http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ)

Thanks for the interview Sterling it was very helpful to hear Jim discuss his background as well as the ins and outs of the device and his struggles with getting it to operate.  Absolutely no doubt in my mind that it works.

Would also like to add that I believe the Witts device also works. Just very backward/nonsensical thinking there. They should have open sourced a long time ago. There is no way in the world they ever needed 20 million to get into production. It is called tunnel vision, and it happens to the best.

I would like to encourage those with the talent to do so, to look at getting a motor or generator to do this without getting into mechanical resonance and an exotic toroid armature. I have a gut feeling it is not necessary. Induction/resonance without back emf should be possible at 60 cycle with capacitors and trick armature/winding/commutator configurations, utilizing an off the shelf motor or generator, DC or AC for that matter. Look at the YMNEE from Fuel Tech... and also others who have seem to have had success. People need to realize it is possible and start thinking about it and experimenting.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 11, 2014, 03:03:01 PM
Many who think they have things figured out are going to be eating some humble pie soon. The device does work. Those who think Jim just got off the turnip truck and does not understand the simple basics of power in, and and power out, are sadly mistaken.



One problem. You can not support any of these claims withany evidence, no more than I can prove the Easter Bunny is real. (he is he brings me eggs every year)
Here is a little fact. No matter what you believe the stark reality is you or no one else can show a single watt of overunity or excess energy. I have had the humble pie people telling me I will eat it for just on a decade now. I am getting so hungry. I am also happy to take a wager with you for an amount held in escrow. I will donate my winning to charity. So you up for it?


I respect your right to have an opinion and i know HopeGirl just loves people like you....just send the money honey.


Kind Regards
Me of Little Faith
Mark Dansie
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 11, 2014, 03:32:28 PM
Hi everyone,

as I have posted a few pages back, I've been testing the effects of the QEG.
It coincides (like woopy) I have also thought of using a MOT for its high Inductance coil to see if I can produce some of the effects claimed.
I can confirm that there is a real effects and I would strongly suggest to the naysayers to hold off on your critics as you may end up having to eat your words. Best to put your energy in experiments as this looks to have real potential.

I made a video demo of my setup so you can see that I'm not just talking. However, I did not feel comfortable to demonstrate the Resonance as my particular test setup may not be able to handle such vibrations. When it first happened it scared me and I quickly pulled the plug as my 100 pound safety box was vibrating like a jackhammer.

Of course I'll be doing more tests but I thought to share my test rig and basic findings.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE)

Stay tuned for more

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Paul-R on April 11, 2014, 03:54:12 PM
Imagine you had a setup with a handle connected to a gearbox so you could crank it with your arms.  The output of the gearbox drives a generator connected to a 100-watt light bulb.  When the light bulb starts to light up you will feel the extra mechanical power you have to supply with your bare arms.  It's actually almost shocking to see how much torque you have to apply as the light bulb gets brighter.  That's the way it works.


This is quite true if, and only if, energy is not being introduced into the system from an exsternal source which is known (solar panels) or not well known (quantum foam etc).

This drills a hole in the bottom of your boat, Milehigh.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: energy1234hope on April 11, 2014, 04:00:08 PM
Well done luc appreciate everything you do and you are the only gentleman left on this site, that seems to be taken over by people who think they know everything. anyway all the best of luck with your experiments.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Eligos on April 11, 2014, 04:01:16 PM
Excellent Luc, great test. Please keep it coming!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vince on April 11, 2014, 04:04:41 PM
Great test Luc!

The question I have is, does the drive motor experience any greater load when you reach resonance points or when the secondaries see a load. I realize that you have not run the unit long enough to see any power output but it will be interesting to see if the drive motor sees a greater power demand as in conventional generators under load.

Keep up the great work!

Vince


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 11, 2014, 04:55:02 PM
This is quite true if, and only if, energy is not being introduced into the system from an exsternal source which is known (solar panels) or not well known (quantum foam etc).

This drills a hole in the bottom of your boat, Milehigh.

"IF" perhaps, but not "only if".

If the generator is already producing its full possible output, and you simply make some of that output visible by making it light up some lights, would you still expect the generator to change speed or require a different amount of drive power?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 11, 2014, 05:45:37 PM
Hi everyone,

as I have posted a few pages back, I've been testing the effects of the QEG.
It coincides (like woopy) I have also thought of using a MOT for its high Inductance coil to see if I can produce some of the effects claimed.
I can confirm that there is a real effects and I would strongly suggest to the naysayers to hold off on your critics as you may end up having to eat your words. Best to put your energy in experiments as this looks to have real potential.

I made a video demo of my setup so you can see that I'm not just talking. However, I did not feel comfortable to demonstrate the Resonance as my particular test setup may not be able to handle such vibrations. When it first happened it scared me and I quickly pulled the plug as my 100 pound safety box was vibrating like a jackhammer.

Of course I'll be doing more tests but I thought to share my test rig and basic findings.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE)

Stay tuned for more

Luc


 You need to have an output on these devices! You can not run this device without a load. The load is designed to not let a buildup of too much pressure. This is the shaking you are seeing. It is building up more energy then it can dissipate and then leaks to other effects like shaking. It's like blocking certain type of pumps. They will explode if they have no output release. Most have a safety release just in case of a short or block occurs. DO NOT RUN THESE TYPE OF SYSTEMS WITHOUT A RELEASE OR OUTPUT!

 The output has to be isolated from direct shorts. On way is to have an isolation transformer to protect from load shorting. Transformers are one way to isolate a load from source but even spark gaps and the likes also do this. So the choices are many.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 11, 2014, 06:00:22 PM
Luk - great idea!


Finally someone who wants to take a step of faith.


There can be no progress by sitting back and throwing stones.


I just have to say Luk, what is going to happen is that once you get some more power running through your coils and transformer cores become more magnetized momentarily during each cycle it is going to start grabbing harder and this is where all the incredible vibration you spoke of must be coming from considering the tremendous torque of that motor you are using. If don't keep the power levels exactly the same in each core they may start touching down and it will be like disc breaks. I can see why it might get quite frightening. For safety sake I would not necessarily recommend pushing this particular design much further.


I was thinking about something Timothy mentioned... there was no fly wheel and the relatively small rotor was coupled via a belt.


I believe his configuration was chosen for that very reason, to provide give to the grab.


The belt provides additional "capacitance" due to its elasticity.


This results in a physical energy store and release cycle between the belt and drive motor that will have its own resonate points.


So they have two energy store and release systems each with their own resonant points.


I believe the trick is to synchronize the two resonant systems to feed back on each other.


Food for thought.


Thanks!





Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 11, 2014, 06:28:51 PM
Awesome work Luc!   Do you think having only 2 cores may add to the vibration?   Maybe 4 or more will smooth out the effect although I realize with your setup that would be difficult to do.   Might be a thought to get some heavy concrete blocks to put on top of and around your box (fairly cheap from the big hardware stores).   Thanks for confirming there is something of real interest here!   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 11, 2014, 06:39:33 PM
Awesome work Luc!   Do you think having only 2 cores may add to the vibration?   Maybe 4 or more will smooth out the effect although I realize with your setup that would be difficult to do.   Might be a thought to get some heavy concrete blocks to put on top of and around your box (fairly cheap from the big hardware stores).   Thanks for confirming there is something of real interest here!


 Yup that could be it as well. Another half of the system that could be used to balance the system is missing in your experiment Luc. Good call e2matrix...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mikestocks2006 on April 11, 2014, 07:19:10 PM
We've created an open source hub for this project at http://QEG.builders (http://qeg.builders/) which forwards to PESWiki

Feel free to join in. PESWiki is a publicly editable site.

See also the interview I had recently with the FTW people: http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ (http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ)
 
 According to the video:
At about 400Hz, it is fairly stable, and the power output is 9:1 !!!
 
And yet they have not self looped it yet?
 
Shouldn’t they get a 400 Hz to 60Hz 120 V converter, or rectify to dc and invert it 120v 60Hz? (to power the drive motor)
They must have spent many thousands on the core, equipment, and other components not to mention international travel costs and time, so few extra bucks for the ultimate proof of design and performance should be of high priority.
 
Hopefully they will do it soon.
Thanks for posting.
Mike
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 11, 2014, 08:50:19 PM
Hi everyone,

as I have posted a few pages back, I've been testing the effects of the QEG.
It coincides (like woopy) I have also thought of using a MOT for its high Inductance coil to see if I can produce some of the effects claimed.
I can confirm that there is a real effects and I would strongly suggest to the naysayers to hold off on your critics as you may end up having to eat your words. Best to put your energy in experiments as this looks to have real potential.

I made a video demo of my setup so you can see that I'm not just talking. However, I did not feel comfortable to demonstrate the Resonance as my particular test setup may not be able to handle such vibrations. When it first happened it scared me and I quickly pulled the plug as my 100 pound safety box was vibrating like a jackhammer.

Of course I'll be doing more tests but I thought to share my test rig and basic findings.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE)

Stay tuned for more

Luc


Great job Luc. Looking forward to more of your sensible and 'walk the talk' analysis and results. Many people here can and should learn from you. There are too many know it all people who writes crap most of the time.
I know Tim Trapp is real about his faith and knows what he knows but his business sense may not be as sharp as his technical knowledge.


ChrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 11, 2014, 08:54:12 PM
  According to the video:
At about 400Hz, it is fairly stable, and the power output is 9:1 !!!
 
And yet they have not self looped it yet?
 
Shouldn’t they get a 400 Hz to 60Hz 120 V converter, or rectify to dc and invert it 120v 60Hz? (to power the drive motor)
They must have spent many thousands on the core, equipment, and other components not to mention international travel costs and time, so few extra bucks for the ultimate proof of design and performance should be of high priority.
 
Hopefully they will do it soon.
Thanks for posting.
Mike



 I think they want to just get the basic idea proven first before saying it can be looped. This is an excellent way to get around all the anti overunity devices they employ. Once the cat is out of the bag then they now can say how to loop the system of provide the plans to do so. Just focusing on the basic design is enough now without bringing in all the other junk that comes from bringing out this kind of a device as an OU device. Make a strong foundation and nothing else can knock it off. Even if and when they want to loop it, it should hold to scrutiny. Thats a good strategy and the only one in my mind that works in this case.

 From what I am getting from the "Electric Universe" guys is that we are hitting a very large major change coming to our solar system. The Solar minimum is gonna get stalled for a very long time. Things are gonna get very weird around here. They are talking another Ice Age and very radical weather patterns as a norm. What we have been seeing is very indicative of the patterns we will see for over our lifetimes. Energy production better start coming for free if we are to get through this Solar event. All planets are seeing these changes in our solar system. This is inevitable.

 Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MvAnECkaME
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 11, 2014, 10:14:09 PM
Look. Here's the logic behind self-looping with no outside power source.

Measurements made on many different FE devices indicate more power output than input. Great! We've all seen these devices in many different forms in many different YouTube videos, some more plausible than others. Not one _plausible_ and confirmed case of self-looping has happened, though. (I know some of you disagree with this; the problem of explaining Big Oil and Fracking is left to you folks then.)

So, many people believe that the measurements that indicated those big power outputs are somehow flawed. Especially since many of the claims are of such great powers that even the inefficiencies of standard generators or inverters would be easily overcome, to make a net excess power output.

There is one _sure_ measurement that can be made, though: Self-looping. If a "free energy" device produces a _claimed_ power output in excess of the simple losses in a generator or inverter.... but can't be made to self-loop, there is no doubt about it: the measurements of excess power are flawed and there just isn't any.
The electrical power output is weird in some way, longitudinal scalar vortex funnels or something? The mechanical power output is in the form of chaotic pendulum swings and chains of floats in mercury? No problem, really ..... making the input-output interface, even for such difficult forms of output, is "just engineering" and can be solved. IF, that is, there is really excess power in the first place.

In the QEG, whether from Thrapp or Robitaille..... there isn't. You won't see it self-looping, that's for sure, and you won't see any genuine sustained power output that's greater than the power input to the drive motor and "resonant" coils. You will, however, see a lot of money changing hands, and you'll see WhateverGirl and her minions getting a lot of free vacation time.

And here's the kicker: other than "self-looping", there is NOTHING about any of these devices that is contrary to well-known physics principles! That makes them uninteresting UNLESS they can be self-looped!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: woopy on April 12, 2014, 12:11:48 AM
Hi all

After getting some voltage by tapping the core of the MOT, i tried as GOTOLUC, to test  if the inductance switching can also create a stable voltage. And it seems to be the case.

Than i tried to shortcut the coil, and it seems that the prime mover does not draw more current under load??

Is this voltage creation Lenzless ??

http://youtu.be/IssMkABzWD0

voila

Laurent
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 12:27:45 AM
Post deleted by me.

See lower post for update.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 12:51:17 AM

 You need to have an output on these devices! You can not run this device without a load. The load is designed to not let a buildup of too much pressure. This is the shaking you are seeing. It is building up more energy then it can dissipate and then leaks to other effects like shaking. It's like blocking certain type of pumps. They will explode if they have no output release. Most have a safety release just in case of a short or block occurs. DO NOT RUN THESE TYPE OF SYSTEMS WITHOUT A RELEASE OR OUTPUT!

 The output has to be isolated from direct shorts. On way is to have an isolation transformer to protect from load shorting. Transformers are one way to isolate a load from source but even spark gaps and the likes also do this. So the choices are many.

I had 2 light bulbs as load.

The limitation with my simple test design is the rotor I cores hit the E cores when resonance kicks in. This causes a braking action.

I will have to come up with a new heavier design that the rotor will not flex under resonance.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 12:58:29 AM
Luk - great idea!


Finally someone who wants to take a step of faith.


There can be no progress by sitting back and throwing stones.


I just have to say Luk, what is going to happen is that once you get some more power running through your coils and transformer cores become more magnetized momentarily during each cycle it is going to start grabbing harder and this is where all the incredible vibration you spoke of must be coming from considering the tremendous torque of that motor you are using. If don't keep the power levels exactly the same in each core they may start touching down and it will be like disc breaks. I can see why it might get quite frightening. For safety sake I would not necessarily recommend pushing this particular design much further.


I was thinking about something Timothy mentioned... there was no fly wheel and the relatively small rotor was coupled via a belt.


I believe his configuration was chosen for that very reason, to provide give to the grab.


The belt provides additional "capacitance" due to its elasticity.


This results in a physical energy store and release cycle between the belt and drive motor that will have its own resonate points.


So they have two energy store and release systems each with their own resonant points.


I believe the trick is to synchronize the two resonant systems to feed back on each other.


Food for thought.


Thanks!

Hi shinz62,

You are correct!  my design becomes a disk brake at Resonance.

I like your understanding of the possible use and work of the belt. I'll incorporate it in the next design.

Thanks for sharing

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 01:05:50 AM
Awesome work Luc!   Do you think having only 2 cores may add to the vibration?   Maybe 4 or more will smooth out the effect although I realize with your setup that would be difficult to do.   Might be a thought to get some heavy concrete blocks to put on top of and around your box (fairly cheap from the big hardware stores).   Thanks for confirming there is something of real interest here!

Hi e2matrix,

it could very well be that I'm only getting half the effect with my simple test setup. I wasn't expecting to see this much results. The next build will be more complete and not have a disk rotor. I just needed to confirm a few things before going high end.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 01:16:22 AM
Hi everyone,

I was out most of the day but had a chance to further test and video what happens when it hits resonance.

Please note, once I finished this test video the two rotor set screws had worked them self loose with the powerful vibrations.

I don't think I can go any further with this tests device as my design was mostly to confirm the effect Inductance parametric change have and confirm the effects that have been shared. My design becomes a disk brake at Resonance because the powerful vibrations flexes the rotor and the cores rub together, so I can't confirm how it affect the prime mover at Resonance.
I know that's the big question but I ask myself, why would it not be as they say since all the other effects are as shared.

Link to video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY)

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 12, 2014, 01:56:37 AM
Luc, Woopy,

You both have pretty impressive setups.  However, you have to start your investigation from the very beginning.

Your "E" cores and your "I" cores, did you check with a compass to see if there was any residual magnetization in them?  What is another way to check for any possible residual magnetization?  Perhaps you can come up with a better way.

Why should you check for this?

MileHigh

For Luc:  In your clip with the high voltage and the breaking effect I think I know what is going on, or at least I have a theory.  But perhaps that's better left for others to figure out.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 12, 2014, 01:59:27 AM
Hi everyone,

I was out most of the day but had a chance to further test and video what happens when it hits resonance.

Please note, once I finished this test video the two rotor set screws had worked them self loose with the powerful vibrations.

I don't think I can go any further with this tests device as my design was mostly to confirm the effect Inductance parametric change have and confirm the effects that have been shared. My design becomes a disk brake at Resonance because the powerful vibrations flexes the rotor and the cores rub together, so I can't confirm how it affect the prime mover at Resonance.
I know that's the big question but I ask myself, why would it not be as they say since all the other effects are as shared.

Link to video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY)

Luc

Hey Luc

You are a MAD MAN!!    ;D    Great build. ;)    I think the movie was "Seven"    "Whats in the booox?"  ;) just kidding. Looked at your previous vid after this one.

So the output is just from the rotation of the top(removed from ecore) passing the larger part of the transformer at a particular freq(speed)?  Could there be some residual magnetism in the core?

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 12, 2014, 02:12:40 AM
Hi everyone,

I was out most of the day but had a chance to further test and video what happens when it hits resonance.

Please note, once I finished this test video the two rotor set screws had worked them self loose with the powerful vibrations.

I don't think I can go any further with this tests device as my design was mostly to confirm the effect Inductance parametric change have and confirm the effects that have been shared. My design becomes a disk brake at Resonance because the powerful vibrations flexes the rotor and the cores rub together, so I can't confirm how it affect the prime mover at Resonance.
I know that's the big question but I ask myself, why would it not be as they say since all the other effects are as shared.

Link to video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY)

Luc
That is amazing to see and hear Luc.   It leaves a sense that it is a self reinforcing resonance that is feeding itself ....  EXACTLY what I think is needed for a free energy device to function.   It's tapping energy from somewhere and having seen Professor Steven Jones video investigation into the QEG with a simple iron bar and an old Tesla secondary coil it seems there are some effects being noticed that could be very important to free energy.   Maybe something known in the past but overlooked until recent events have refocused attention on this effect.    Thanks for another "WOW" demo  ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 12, 2014, 02:17:10 AM
Hi everyone,

I was out most of the day but had a chance to further test and video what happens when it hits resonance.

Please note, once I finished this test video the two rotor set screws had worked them self loose with the powerful vibrations.

I don't think I can go any further with this tests device as my design was mostly to confirm the effect Inductance parametric change have and confirm the effects that have been shared. My design becomes a disk brake at Resonance because the powerful vibrations flexes the rotor and the cores rub together, so I can't confirm how it affect the prime mover at Resonance.
I know that's the big question but I ask myself, why would it not be as they say since all the other effects are as shared.

Link to video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY)

Luc
Fascinating video Luc thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 12, 2014, 04:48:54 AM
Luc, Woopy,

You both have pretty impressive setups.  However, you have to start your investigation from the very beginning.

Your "E" cores and your "I" cores, did you check with a compass to see if there was any residual magnetization in them?  What is another way to check for any possible residual magnetization?  Perhaps you can come up with a better way.

Why should you check for this?

MileHigh

For Luc:  In your clip with the high voltage and the breaking effect I think I know what is going on, or at least I have a theory.  But perhaps that's better left for others to figure out.


 Residual magnetism from what exactly? That is transformer steel you know a mot? residual magnetism pchhha.. Keep reaching there....


 As for the comment I have a theory but that is left for others to figure out? Hmmm... Shall we say You have no theory... Why would you need a theory if this has already been explained by your science? Why not reach into the golden book of "Facts" and show us what ya got?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: yfree on April 12, 2014, 04:57:13 AM
Luc,
Excellent work!
To make the oscillating system more stable at resonance, you may try to connect a few incandescent bulbs in series with the capacitor in similarity to Fig.62 in this paper (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf).
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 12, 2014, 04:57:14 AM
......  at least I have a theory.  But perhaps that's better left for others to figure out.


Best to leave your theory or whatever you think you understand behind.
Pay attention, don't write too much. Write only if it edifies and you know the stuff to make a difference.
Try to learn something instead of talking too much (crap).


cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 12, 2014, 05:21:41 AM
Jbignes5:

It's really sad when people that claim that they have open minds and want to explore act closed-minded and reject a suggestion to make a test to explore.  You actively don't want to check something?  Why would that be?  You are "sure" it's not there??  It makes no sense for you to say that.

What are your thoughts on the high voltage and the braking effect?  One more time you seem to be demonstrating hostility towards thinking, which is silly.  So feel free to put your thinking cap on if you want and share your thoughts.

ChrisC:

Leave my theory behind?  So does that mean that you too don't want to think and offer up your thoughts?

You allege that I write crap?  Please go ahead and tell me what you think is crap.

You two guys are open-minded Luddites.  Free energy neocons that don't like free thought unless it's your type of free thought.  Also, let's see what you two have to say in six weeks when we can assume perhaps a hundred or more enthusiastic groups have had time to build and test the real QEG.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 05:34:50 AM
Luc,
Excellent work!
To make the oscillating system more stable at resonance, you may try to connect a few incandescent bulbs in series with the capacitor in similarity to Fig.62 in this paper (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf).

Thanks, I'll give it some consideration but somehow I think the bulbs in series on the tank circuit may prevent the resonance effect. Also, to be safe and allow the high voltage to go through it would require more bulbs in series then I have available.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 12, 2014, 05:41:43 AM
Milehigh
we all know where this is heading, as it has 100 times before in this and many other forums.  Logic, science and just plain common sense becomes heresy. I already have the hate mail, threats lol. But the "we will show you brigade" goes very quiet until the next scam comes along.
That is why I like people like Russ Gries. He gets in, tests the claim and calls it as it is not what he wants it to be.
Sadly even at universities some researchers selectively select tests and data that supports their belief rather than take into account all results and data.
So I just chill out, get a few laughs and let people paint themselves in a corner. i then enjoy the silence that always follows. As far as people wanting to experiment, I applaud and encourage you, just cut out the BS.


Speaking of Silence: ""Apparently, things have gotten out of hand in this network and we have trolls and too many negative comments. To protect the integrity of this precious project for humanity I must leave this QEG Network room. For those of you who are sincere, please watch for updated blogposts as this breakthrough rolls out. Thank you and blessings to all." -HopeGirl

The spin doctor has spoken.  The heads are in the sand

Kind Regards
Mark

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 12, 2014, 06:03:06 AM
Jbignes5:

It's really sad when people that claim that they have open minds and want to explore act closed-minded and reject a suggestion to make a test to explore.  You actively don't want to check something?  Why would that be?  You are "sure" it's not there??  It makes no sense for you to say that.

What are your thoughts on the high voltage and the braking effect?  One more time you seem to be demonstrating hostility towards thinking, which is silly.  So feel free to put your thinking cap on if you want and share your thoughts.

ChrisC:

Leave my theory behind?  So does that mean that you too don't want to think and offer up your thoughts?

You allege that I write crap?  Please go ahead and tell me what you think is crap.

You two guys are open-minded Luddites.  Free energy neocons that don't like free thought unless it's your type of free thought.  Also, let's see what you two have to say in six weeks when we can assume perhaps a hundred or more enthusiastic groups have had time to build and test the real QEG.

MileHigh

This is from the home page of this site....

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These words above, from the home page, are why these guys are here. They dont think like you, and apparently dont want to. In case you have not noticed. ::)


From MH's post above....  "You two guys are open-minded Luddites.  Free energy neocons that don't like free thought unless it's your type of free thought. "


Mh, your supposed "free thought" comes from books that dont encourage or engage in the idea that free energy is possible.  That is not free thought. That is called being programmed. Nothing free thought about it. All nice and tight in a little box. ;)

Just like the quote from you above, you belittle people here with name calling. That is why these guys respond to you the way they do, period.  ;)   They know where you are coming from. ;) You never encourage the possibility of free energy. You only degrade it.

Soo, you will get responses such as you are replying to in your post I quoted above. Pretty simple really. ;) Do you think that name calling will change their minds even a smidgin? Like a good spanking?  ::)   Its the wrong approach if you are to get anywhere with your agenda of 'free energy is impossible'. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: yfree on April 12, 2014, 06:04:55 AM
Thanks, I'll give it some consideration but somehow I think the bulbs in series on the tank circuit may prevent the resonance effect. Also, to be safe and allow the high voltage to go through it would require more bulbs in series then I have available.

Luc


The bulbs in series will not prevent the resonance, they will rather limit the current at resonance.
The first thing is to get stable resonance.
Then, the resonance has to be moved to appropriate frequency...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 12, 2014, 06:31:27 AM

 Residual magnetism from what exactly? That is transformer steel you know a mot? residual magnetism pchhha.. Keep reaching there....


 As for the comment I have a theory but that is left for others to figure out? Hmmm... Shall we say You have no theory... Why would you need a theory if this has already been explained by your science? Why not reach into the golden book of "Facts" and show us what ya got?

I had stated this about possible residual magnetism in the core earlier today.  Its not impossible that there is possibly a bit of it in the core.  When that primary gets hit with ac current when the microwave oven begins to cook something, it is possible that when the cooking is finished, the ac input could have been at a high note(peak), leaving some magnetism in the core. Just thoughts of possibility.  We cant just assume there is simply none, never was and never will be, can we? ;) We have to eliminate, by checking all possibilities. ;)   Im not saying there absolutely is. But if we dont check, we may never figure out the whats and whys of it all.  I would have to agree with checking that possibility.

Ever used a degausing coil on and old tv picture tube screen? It takes a few swipes to demagnetize the iron screen behind the glass.  Try unplugging the coil a few times while its in front of the screen.  One time you unplug it the screen may look ok, and another time it will be possibly way off.  It will depend when in the wave of the ac current that it is disconnected as to if the screen is magnetized or demagnetized.
 lol  I was a bad kid. I loved playing with magnets on the family color tv.  But, I eventually found ways of using that same magnet by swiping it(many times and many ways) to get things looking pretty good again.

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 12, 2014, 07:50:57 AM
Hey guys,
If there is no residual magnetism in the cores any other theories why the May be happening. Btwt I hit my in tact mot with a hammer and got nuttin :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 12, 2014, 08:05:30 AM
Mark:

Thanks for your comments.  As you can see, even the suggestion of a test that might somehow affect the agenda of what Gotoluc and Woopy's tests are all about is rejected by some.  Even if it makes perfect sense it is rejected in a disrespectful way.  Looking for an explanation of the phenomenon that Gotoluc and Woopy observe is rejected without wanting to even consider the merits of the test by some people.  I can only guess that it's perceived as something that may go against the wishful and idealized agenda of what the QEG is allegedly about.  That can't be permitted, or so they would like to think.  Meanwhile, some people might lose their shirts putting out the cash to just build the thing.  That's their choice, but at least some of them will want and have the right to consider and read differing opinions.

Quote
I already have the hate mail, threats lol

I admire your courage in the face of that.  One can assume that most of it is harmless.  However, one can never be sure and presume that they are all harmless.  That's why I will not reveal my name, like many other people around here.  I have received a lot of hate myself and I have at times been relentlessly bashed, demeaned, degraded and harassed.

If this whole project was launched after it had been tested and verified to work, then Hopegirl sure as hell should release the plans.  Instead, like you said, it's a new bandwagon.  Many people are already convinced that it's real.  Logic, science and just plain common sense becomes heresy indeed.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on April 12, 2014, 08:26:48 AM
I had 2 light bulbs as load.
The limitation with my simple test design is the rotor I cores hit the E cores when resonance kicks in. This causes a braking action.
I will have to come up with a new heavier design that the rotor will not flex under resonance.
Luc


Good steps, LUC!


Maybe a try: Bring the system first to resonance, slow the loads / lamps with a rheostat to it, The lamp for lamp connecting, look his Timothy's movie again!?


Please, be very carefully with those unbalanced weight at those revolutions!!!!!!


-----


Saver experiment is: Single-phase motor, a MOT with flux-bridge to the secondary as exciter with spark & C, primary for load but again in steps loading!



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: nilrehob on April 12, 2014, 09:19:09 AM
Im not so sure its the change in inductance that generates the voltage, but rather that the moving iron is magnitized ever so slightly and then it builds up because of the resonance, just as when you use an async (no magnets) motor with caps as a generator?


/Hob
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 12, 2014, 09:34:40 AM
Hi shinz62,

You are correct!  my design becomes a disk brake at Resonance.

I like your understanding of the possible use and work of the belt. I'll incorporate it in the next design.

Thanks for sharing

Luc


Luc


Your welcome and thank you for sharing your very exciting results too!



Your video certainly does show dramatically how just flipping the inductance can generate a large AC output. Originally I had thought that the input current on the output coils had a major effect on generating the flux to drive the high impedance LC, but you have demonstrated that is not even necessary.


However, after seeing this latest video of yours it is now obvious to me that the magnetic force is incredible across the EI core so I doubt that this EI configuration can ever work to get free energy, it is too much like a conventional generators internal magnetic resistance.
 
The real trick is probably more about not requiring all the flux from the magnetic path that drives the output coil to cross between a moving rotor and the output coil, but rather providing an alternate path for the huge amount magnetic force from the flux that will be generated by the high inductance LC mains as they reach resonance.


In the QEG, the lion share of the flux will be able to stay in the torroidal outer core with the rotor merely providing a way to flip the inductance back and forth between high and low to keep driving the AC resonance. The belt may play an important part by providing a little bit of slack to prevent the magnetic grab on the rotor from directly impacting the motor speed and this only needs to give for an instant as the magnetic grab should only last a partial cycle considering the 400hz AC output. It probably grabs and releases multiple times as the rotor is in close proximity with the connecting points on the outer core but the ability for the belt to provide a stretch and rebound for each grab keeps the motor from feeling it full force.[size=78%] [/size]This could explain the noise and vibration of the QEG.


Then while the rotor is free the flux path has only one way to go, through the outer core, and not across the rotor thus providing an escape clause from lenz law entirely during this portion of the cycle.


And additionally, with the main outer core providing the main path for the flux while the rotor is in close proximity and merely a secondary path, any magnetic grab on the rotor will be greatly reduced, so says Flynn (https://www.google.com/search?q=flynn+parallel+path&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=a9tIU9uzAu_wyAHwmYHwCA&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=960&bih=499), and I have verified his ideas experimentally myself.


More food for thought.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 12, 2014, 10:07:28 AM
Gotoluc thx you for your efforts.

But  the QEG is made to be built with a toroidal core, and I believe the price of a correct replica was rather high mainly due to the exotic cores.

Im interrested in materials, but I'm waiting for robitaille to come up with a satisfying enough video.

Also, Piezo effect has me worried about the wires.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: nickec on April 12, 2014, 10:45:46 AM
Luc,
Excellent work!
To make the oscillating system more stable at resonance, you may try to connect a few incandescent bulbs in series with the capacitor in similarity to Fig.62 in this paper (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf).

Thank you very much for posting the link to the paper.

If the paper is searched for the word "rupture", two hits result.  Reading near these two sections I note similarities to Luc's experiment and his experience with destructive vibration.

I cannot vouch for the QEG.  My interest is in measurement of seemingly outlying phenomena with a view to explaining them.

The paper is interesting in that a machine is described wherein they claim: 

"The apparatus permitted production of the parametric excitation of rather powerful oscillations in the circuit shown in Figure 62, which has no current or voltage source."

Remarkable?  Nonsensical?  I find it difficult to decide.  Experiment seems required.

The apparatus uses a serrated aluminum disk - not an electrical steel laminated rotor like the QEG.

It is my opinion that investigation of these systems will lead to valuable learning whether they succeed as OU or not.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 12, 2014, 11:29:09 AM
http://revolution-green.com/hopegirl-spins-way-london/

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 12, 2014, 12:27:12 PM
I find it interesting woopys and  lucs experiments but this ftw story is growing smellier by the day.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 12, 2014, 12:45:43 PM
There is _always_ a current/voltage source when you are moving conductors and/or changing reluctance of blocks of metal.

Unless, that is, you are fully surrounded by a proper set of Helmholz coils to cancel out the Earth's geomagnetic field and any other sources of field distortion in your neighborhood.

Don't forget: you can magnetize iron rods, nails, etc. just by lining them up north/south and repeatedly striking them with a hammer or rock.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: nickec on April 12, 2014, 01:03:34 PM
There is _always_ a current/voltage source when you are moving conductors and/or changing reluctance of blocks of metal.

Unless, that is, you are fully surrounded by a proper set of Helmholz coils to cancel out the Earth's geomagnetic field and any other sources of field distortion in your neighborhood.

Don't forget: you can magnetize iron rods, nails, etc. just by lining them up north/south and repeatedly striking them with a hammer or rock.

I agree, though I wonder if Helmholz coils are enough to eliminate interaction with, insane though it may seem, "the rest of the universe".

If matter has an electrical component, as the consensus view insists, then moving matter always moves charge.  A crazy notion, I admit.

When I say "moving matter" I mean relative to other objects, i.e.:  I moved the cube closer to the disk.

When I say "crazy notion" I refer to the phrase "moving matter always moves charge" which could be rewritten as "changing the location of an object is an act that results in moving charge".

I regret any ambiguity my post contains and hope that it communicates something useful.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on April 12, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
about the varying inductance thing, I didn't watch Luc's video but I did watch Woopy's.

Umm, I can sit a transformer on the bench not connected to anything except the scope and get over 5 volts from the two FWBR's connected to it's outputs, it is induced by the house currents, however virtually no power can be utilized from it as the voltage just flat lines on loading. Showing these neat effects are all well and good but have their place and are next to useless.

How much power can the setup dissipate in a resister compared to the input power ? That's what it's all about isn't it ? Is it OU ? Can it be ? How ? These are the questions we must ask ourselves.

Does Hopegirl = Zilano after market research.  ;D She adds up the hopefuls does some sums and sees the dollar signs, maybe not.  ;)

I don't see why the hype considering she hasn't shown anything. But I'm not going to bad mouth her, the way I see it now I say good on her, very enterprising and I may do the same thing. Would be easy, get a new name and make some wacky plan, use a Tesla patent and make claims.  Perfect.

..

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 12, 2014, 02:18:33 PM

Does Hopegirl = Zilano after market research.  ;D She adds up the hopefuls does some sums and sees the dollar signs, maybe not.  ;)

I don't see why the hype considering she hasn't shown anything. But I'm not going to bad mouth her, the way I see it now I say good on her, very enterprising and I may do the same thing. Would be easy, get a new name and make some wacky plan, use a Tesla patent and make claims.  Perfect.

Very Enterprising indeed
And the fund raising/ here we go again, from the same Facebook entry “In full transparency I want everyone to know how important it was to me to present the QEG to all of you today. I spent 17 hours on a plane from Taiwan just to be here in person. I spent hours putting together the presentation. And not only was I not paid to speak, but I spent close to $4,000 of my own money to pay for my travel expenses, including an $835 required donation to the event manager for the privilege of getting up there to present to you. Why? Because IT IS THAT IMPORTANT TO ME TO GET THIS INFORMATION TO THE PEOPLE.:”[/font][/size]
So lets see the definition of her own money. (thanks to Doug for compiling this)  Crowd funding (Fix the World and QEG):[/font][/size]
Bring Hope to Australia and New Zealand ($5,290 of $5,000 goal) (gofundme.com (http://gofundme.com/))
Help Bring Energy and Hope to Morocco! ($8,062 of $6,460 goal) (gofundme.com (http://gofundme.com/))
Fix the World Hope For America Tour ($3,817 of $40,000 goal) (gofundme.com (http://gofundme.com/))
Fix the World Org. Help keep us Going! ($25,762 of $50,000 goal) (gofundme.com (http://gofundme.com/))
Angels in Boston * HopeGirl &amp; Fix The World Documentary ($2,556 of $2,500 goal) (indiegogo.com (http://indiegogo.com/))
December Soft Launch Administration Funding ($1,055 of $85,000 goal) (indiegogo.com (http://indiegogo.com/))
Peoples Fund Administrative Start Up Revised for 2014 ($1,009 of $10,000 goal) (indiegogo.com (http://indiegogo.com/))
HopeGirl: Fix The World Documentary ($4,781 of $26,990 goal) (indiegogo.com (http://indiegogo.com/))
Home Quantum Energy Generator ($18,064 of $7,610 goal) (indiegogo.com (http://indiegogo.com/))
Bring Quantum Generators to the World! ($29,421 of $20,000 goal) (gofundme.com (http://gofundme.com/))[/font][/size]
The above excludes direct donations and other sources we do not even know about.[/font][/size]
Kind Regards[/font][/size]
Mark[/font][/size]
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 12, 2014, 02:35:53 PM
Mark:

Well, I thought that she had taken in about $28,000.  She is taking advantage of a modern marketing trick.  It's easier in this day and age to design and manufacture many variations on the same theme.  You give consumers so much choice that you are bound to make a "hit" and make a sale.   Thirty years ago you might have a choice of three basic types of Crest toothpaste and only one version of Tylenol.  Try going into a pharmacy today and see how many types of Crest toothpaste and Tylenol there are.  It's ridiculous in a way, but you increase your revenue and that's all that counts.

So Hopegirl is casting a wide funding net indeed.  "She" is playing the new "market," crowd funding.  It's another very sobering aspect of the whole drama.  I still have a sneaking suspicion that this is just a few bright individuals that put their minds together and "manufactured" this whole scenario.  Crowd funding is the new frontier in easy money and you have to assume that some unscrupulous people are going to go after that revenue pie.  It could very well be a Yellow free energy pitch.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wattsup on April 12, 2014, 03:15:31 PM
@woopy

Try it with a capacitor across the coil and it will do like @gotolucs because the increase in the cap coil will simply produce an electromagnet that will then seize the rotor.

@Gotoluc

As usual your vids (and @woopys') are the standard of excellence always clear and concise.

Of course both of your tests are a type of analog to the QEG but not in the perfect sense where in your MOT usage your plane of passage in much thicker then the 4 passage points in the QEG. Also your coils are right on the receiving core whereas the QEG coils are further away I guess in a effort to pull away any energy production from the passage cores.

In your set-up, there are still many variables to try out. hehehe Always variables.

Some come to mind.

1) Put primary in series with secondary then to the bulbs to see if the primary polarity can be canceled by the secondary polarities if they were in series to eliminate the inductive force on the E core center. You would have to try in both connection modes.

2) Put primaries in series with the secondaries of the other MOT and try the same things.

3) Put pri to pri in series (try both ways) and put both secs in parallel.

4) etc. etc., there may be an unexpected effect there.

So any energy left in the system will produce an electromagnet and the proverbial drag that we see in standard motors is basically the same thing. Any energy increase in the coils, the metal core becomes an electromagnet that will seize the rotor. This will happen in your and in the QEG but in the QEG they put the coils further away, but this distance from the real change point (point of passage) will produce less output so you find yourself again in a situation of give and take. The only difference here is that the impress is a result of a rapid change in inductance and not the north/south passage of a field in a preset inductance. Basically what you have shown is that both actions create the same problem when done mechanically. I cannot say how much promise this would have.

The thing really boils down to effects and there are millions of ways to generate such effects but do they then deserve all the fanfare in terms of furthering development, maybe, but my gut tells me not. 1, 2, 3 years more on this and I cannot see where there could be enough of an advancement to make a clear difference in this outcome.

You see, any idea is always a potential build, potential effect, potential drawbacks, and more or less, potential dead ends, save the fact that any effect observed is a learning experience.

I prefer to do such exercises in my mind where I have enough experience now to draw on before undertaking a project. If it is not clear in the vision function I will not start. This is why, like you, I always do small effects testing. Each one adding to the next in learn mode.

The other problem I see with the QEG is the promise of replication and easy dissemination will not be that easy because the device requires special machining, materials, huge windings so the end cost would be extremely more expensive and therefore, for me, it is not what the world needs. It will be chock full of breakage problems and there is a limit to how much money one should spend to fight against normal phenomena. The QEG as it is now shown will also require years of R&D just to see how the best method of windings instead of that bloated bunch of windings I see right now. If they do not have a coil winding specialist in their midst, they risk wasting years just on that part of device.

Of course if the QEG intention is to attract investment into a device that may be considered in perpetual R&D, then it will attract perpetual funds and create financial OU for those involved. Wow, did I say that?

Now if this idea also tried to integrate some of the ideas @JackH (Jack Hildenbrand) brought forward in terms of mechanically diverting the lines of force during rotation, then maybe there is some promise but the QEG does not have anything in there along those lines. A group would be much better off following the JH or trying to find where his devices are now located (since his passing away) then to work on a QEG. Much more promise.

- Unrelated -

But your very nice I-Coreless MOTs (ICMs) have given me an unrelated idea if you ever go to that route. Ever consider putting two ICMs like you have, just one on top facing the other, that is, both MOTs held together via the primary sides. This would give you a dual MOT with two pris in center and two secs to play around with. hehehe   That would be even more promising I think in terms of havoc creation. It may be (MAY BE) possible to drive one primary, use the second primary as a return to source, then use both secs to drive a load. Of course the variables are many. This would be an avenue of R&D that I would consider as much more interesting and if shown any promise would be a very simple solution for many OU R&Ders.

I am busy with "TPU studies" so not really considering any more build distractions save the fun I have reading some of these threads. Always a treat.

Keep up the good work.

wattsup

PS: I will be opening a new thread on what I consider as being a new idea (many ideas, not many lives) I have that may be interesting for you and others to consider in small scale. hehehe






Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 12, 2014, 04:21:24 PM
Wattsup:

For Gotoluc and Woopy' test, there is no compelling need to start changing any variables for now.  The standard setups can generate good data.

The most basic test is to run the motor with the coils unloaded and observe the output voltage.  If you are concerned that the voltage may be very high, then start with the coil loaded with something like a 100-ohm resistor.  Then you can increase the value of the resistance and monitor the voltage.  The true goal is to observe the coil output with no load and see how much EMF is being generated.

Then check for residual magnetism.  If you find any residual magnetism in the cores then you want to undertake to completely demagnetize the cores and rerun the EMF generation test to see if there are any changes.  You probably want to demagnetize the cores anyways because you might not have a way to know how sensitive your residual magnetism test is.  So there could be residual magnetism in the cores and you might not be able to measure it.

Then there is another check with respect to the motor itself.  Is the motor emitting any stray magnetic fields while it runs that may interact with one or both cores?  If it does, that could be responsible for the EMF generation in the coils.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 05:05:28 PM
The below was poster by pmgriphone (http://www.energeticforum.com/members/pmgriphone.html) at EF topic

The rotor will vibrate because of the magnetic forces that build up in the core. Simulations show that a force does build up between rotor and core when flux moves through the rotor. These forces can become quite large and thus a sturdy build with tight tolerances is necessary.
 
 I have done quite a few simulations now analyzing the complete system with inductances, mutual inductances, resonances, etc. and here is what I find from the simulations:
 
 1. The system is started up by parametric excitation of the inductance of the primary coils. Quite a few links have been posted in this thread about parametric excitation, so if you wish know what that is all about, read some of those papers (a lot of them were written in the 1930s).
 
 2. Starting up the system is no magic. It can all be explained with normal electrical equations. Current noise (e.g. a pA in my simulations) in the coils will grow to about a few 100mA in the primary coils and the voltages associated with that run in the kV range. In my simulations I have seen voltages oscillate with magnitudes of 1kV to 20kV depending on system parameters that you set (inductances, modulation index of inductances, coil resistances, etc.). The capacitance sets the electrical resonance frequency. Tuning the system (electrically and mechanically), it is very easy to get high voltage spikes that can burn out the isolation on the coils (which is what happened in Taiwan). From my simulations, I find typical stable voltages for the primary coils around 2kV-5kV range. The secondary coils run at a factor Nsec/Nprim = 350/3100 = 0.113 lower than that, so in the couple of 100 volt range.
 
 3. The humming that was witnessed is most likely caused by the enormous flux densities in the transformer core and due to the fact that the core is laminated. A normal transformer also hums. Vibrations occur when the rotor closes in to the core or moves away from it AND a flux is going from core through rotor back to core.
 
 4. Parametric excitation can occur at multiple frequencies. Typically, the inductance is modulated at a frequency of 2v (v= Greek nu) while the electrical resonance is set at f = n*v/2 with n an integer. It is easiest to find a stable region when the electrical resonance is set at the smallest n number (n=1). In this particular case, the rotor runs at frequency v and the inductance is modulated at 4v, so the electrical resonance should be preferably set at 2v. In this case it appears the resonance starts occurring at a rotor speed of 1500rpm (about 25 Hz), so inductance is modulated at 100Hz. James indicates the output frequency is around 400Hz, which would mean he set the electrical frequency at a multiplier of n=8.
 
 5. The second set of coils is basically a copy of the first set of coils and they perform a similar role. I hope to discuss this in more detail later.
 
 I have attached a few figures that show how the high voltage develops in the primary coils. You have to pick the parameters right to get a steady state solution. It is very easy for the voltage to go out of bound (which would fry the coils due to high voltage arcing).
 
 The image QEG_StartUp.jpg shows how the resonance starts from 1pA of noise in the primary coils.
 
 The image QEG_Transient.jpg shows the transient behavior from startup to steady state. You can see the voltage initially overshoot to over 4kV, then settle down to about 2.8kV.
 
 The image QEG_SteadyState.jpg show the steady state in detail: as explained before the inductance is modulated at 4v (4x per rotation). The electrical resonance frequency is tuned to 2v with the capacitance. Both the voltage and current oscillate at 2v (50Hz). Note that the capacitance can be choosen so as to resonate at a higher harmonic (e.g. in James' case n=8).
 
 But now comes the questionable part of all of the above.
 
 The problem with parametric excitation is that it is very hard to get any kind of power out of the system without destroying the resonance condition. The energy in the primary system runs about a 2-3 joules. Energy for each of the elements is 1/2L*i*i for the coils, 1/2C*V*V for the capacitor and power loss is R*i*i in the coil resistance. All these translate to about 125W total in the coil and capacitor together and about 3W loss in the coil resistance.
 
 So the question now remains if it is possible to extract energy from this parametric system without destroying the resonance...
 
 For that I would like to know exactly how the bulbs are hooked up into the system and if the exciter is present or not when Taiwan tried to tune the QEG to resonance.
 
 Enjoy!  PmgR
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 05:16:12 PM
This is a post by john_g (http://www.energeticforum.com/members/john_g.html) of EF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b0xMElhN7c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b0xMElhN7c)
 
 Note - I made a mistake at the end of the video, I should have said 300 to 400 Milli-volts, but I said micro-volts ops!
 
 I wonder what the effect of a tuning fork held onto the case would be?  Related, but I do not want to go off-topic

Link to EF topic:  Wesley Gary Magnetic Motor revisited (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6384-wesley-gary-magnetic-motor-revisited.html#post253925)
 
 Regards
 
 John

Added by gotoluc:

Link to Patent: http://www.google.com/patents/US1909414

Link to patent Image: http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pages/US1909414-0.png
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 12, 2014, 07:11:54 PM



 Luc you might want to get rid of the poles the way you have them. They are the source of the braking effect. Try a toroid instead. The pulling will be from every angle to each pole in the channel. This should get rid of the cogging and braking effect. If there is no poles the rotor channel will be pulled from all sides evenly and no cogging or breaking should happen. The channel will cause the diversion of the field in the core because it has less resistance in a half of the whole circle. Meaning the flux should go with the least resistance pathway. That should be the rotor channel.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: kajunkreations on April 12, 2014, 07:57:49 PM
   Hey Luc, Great test, the ability for resonance is there. As far as the " breaking effect", to me and this is just my observation, it does not sound like breaking as in rubbing or magnetic drag. It sound like the the vibration of resonance is just making the rotor slap the side of the the E core. The rotor comes to a complete stop and then starts up again. I think the rotor is flexing and slamming into the core.  Im sure you are already making your improvements to go on.
   Is there any evidence of the rotor hitting the edges of the E core? Anyway great experiment looking forward to more.

 Nolan

 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: albator10 on April 12, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
Please look this 1986 patent's of of John W. Ecklin.

We see the exact same rotor and stator than the QEG

And in this patent there is no external motor because John W. Ecklin combined both in the same design.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 12, 2014, 09:27:29 PM


 Except there is a coil on the rotor. And this was my suggestion.


 Actually the roots of any of these patents is this:  http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine


               and                                                        :  http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-445,207-electro-magnetic-motor




 There are a huge amount of these produced by Tesla and others.
 With the first example being the unit presented in sections. All of the sections can be built into the Exciter/Generator/Motor unit. EGM for short.


 Here is a quote of note in the first patent:


 "My present invention relates, chiefly, to the alternating-current system invented by me and described in prior patents, notably Nos. 381,968 and 382,280, of May 1, 1888, in which the motors or transformers, or generally the converters, are operated by a progressive shifting or movement of their magnetic poles produced by the co-operative action of independent magnetizing-coils through which pass alternating currents in proper order and direction. In my said system, as I have heretofore shown, I employed a generator of alternating currents in which there were independent induced or generating coils corresponding to the energizing-coils of the converter, and the relations of the generator and converters were generally such that the speed of rotation of the magnetic poles of the converter equaled that of the armature of the generator.To secure the greatest efficiency, it is necessary to run the machines at a high speed, and this is true not only of those generators and motors which are particularly adapted for use in my system, but of others. The practicability of running at very high speeds, however, particularly in the case of large generators, is limited by mechanical conditions, in seeking to avoid which I have devised various plans for operating the system under efficient conditions, although running the generator at a comparatively low rate of speed.
My present invention consists of another way of accomplishing this result, which in certain respects presents many advantages. According to the invention, in lieu of driving the armature of the generator at a high rate of speed, I produce a rotation of the magnetic poles of one element of the generator and drive the other at a different speed, by which similar results are obtained to those secured by a rapid rotation of one of the elements."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gyulasun on April 12, 2014, 10:18:54 PM
Hi Luc,

When I played with normal off-the-shelf mains transformers (with laminated core) by tuning their primary coil to (my mains) 50Hz frequency with some capacitors, I found very similar behaviour: very near to 50Hz the transformer started to buzz up very loudly and snapped through resonance and then started it again. It was impossible to tune to exactly resonate the primary and to manage I had to decrease the input AC voltage to about 20-30V from the 200V-220V with a variac to get a more or less stabil resonance. Any attempt to increase input voltage to the transformer detuned the primary coil and I had to retune it with the capacitor bank.

The explanation was that near or at the resonance frequency, the AC current in the LC tank circuit increased so high (several Ampers, maybe over 10A peak) that I do think the core went into saturation, hence the primary coil inductance changed to a lower value, effectively detuning the L from the vicinity of 50Hz to a higher frequency. When I reduced input AC voltage amplitude, the primary had a much less excitating current when it reached near or at resonance so the circulating AC current in the tank remained "workable" and "acceptable" for the core and it did not saturate. (Notice that a mains transformer designed for 200VA or so power level cannot readily handle several ampers of primary current without pushing the core's magnetic operation point on the B-H curve towards the saturation area.)

I think  the same happens in your setup: near or at resonance the AC current becomes so high in the LC tank (i.e. in the HV coils of the MOTs) that the cores of the MOTs get saturated, thus effectively changing the inductance value of the two HV coils of the MOTs.
In your case the MOTs have a quasi 'open' core vs a normal transformer, this would work against saturation but there should be an "average" inductance developed from the periodically opened and closed core structure which establishes the resonance with your capacitors  (2.5uF in the 2nd video).

I believe that you and some others have noticed that the input AC frequency to the 3ph motor was about twice as high as the resonance frequency of the LC tank shown by the scope: about 61-62Hz input vs the 30.5-30.7Hz shown by the scope nearing to the resonance in your 2nd video. (If I recall correctly, this was also the case in the second half of your first video.)  You got parametric resonance drive: your exciting input was at 2 x f frequency while the output was tuned to f frequency.

Your simple setup included two nonlinear components, the first was the saturating cores of the MOTs and the second was the lamps (the loads).  The lamps make such setups even more difficult to tune: they have a low resistance when they are dim i.e. when the LC tank is not at resonance and although the lamps low resistance is transformed towards the LC tank as a higher value, they still shunt the parallel Z impedance of the LC tank, making the loaded Q relatively low all the way towards reaching the resonant frequency. And when the coils inductance is brought by the rpm of the prime mover near to or on to a value which gives a resonance (a parametric resonance in this case) with the 2.5uF cap, then the impedance of the tank increases, this increases the AC voltage across it, hence the filaments in the lamps can start heating up, this increases their resistance manyfold: the result is a sudden jump in AC voltage amplitude because the shunting effect of the transformed lamp resistances are much reduced when the ligths flash occurs. After these events, the process repeats itself because the filaments cool down, their resistance decreases so their shunting effect returns. In this process the coils wire resistance also heats up, this can explain why you found after a while the repetitive process should be given a "smack" by a slight retuning of the frequency drive: a warmer coil resistance represents more loss for the LC tank so the sudden increase in amplitude is further controlled (kept at bay) with the less Q of the tank.

This is why it is a better "trick" to include the bulb or bulbs in the LC tank itself as yfree referred to: you do not need to worry too much that the bulbs would be 'gutted', the moment the tank reaches to or at the resonant frequency,  the tank circulating current would "see" an increasing filament resistance as the bulbs would light up, so the nonlinearity of the bulbs would somewhat compensate for the nonlinearity of the saturating cores. You can even see a series variable resistor in series with the bulb inside the LC tank in Fig. 62 yfree referred to, that would further control the circulating current (and causing further loss of course) in the tank but the level of core saturation could be kept under certain, further control.

My above "rambling" did not mean to characterize the performance of the QEG in any way, it just refers to your excellent tests shown in your 2 recent videos. I hope that all what I wrote above are understandable, if you have questions, please ask.


...
Also, to be safe and allow the high voltage to go through it would require more bulbs in series then I have available.


Inside the LC tank there is no HV but high current, the HV develops across the tank.  So the lamps would be "treated" by some Ampers at resonance, which they would have to "bare".

Gyula
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 12, 2014, 10:47:15 PM
Quote from: Magluvin
Mh, your supposed "free thought" comes from books that dont encourage or engage in the idea that free energy is possible.  That is not free thought. That is called being programmed. Nothing free thought about it. All nice and tight in a little box. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

Aye, it is tempting to believe that such attitudes
come from the books or the education - but that
is rarely the case.  It's an "individual" thing.

The vast majority of the books and educational
systems do not discourage, but rather, encourage
going where others have not yet gone.

Unfortunately, the Quacks and Fakers who've come
into the community seeking riches and fame have
muddied the waters.  As a consequence some are
exceedingly skeptical and cautious - to the point
of not being able to believe that anything new is
possible.  Until they see proof positive, that is.

Do not be dismayed by any skepticism which enters
into the discussions.  It is ever-present and does serve
a good purpose in the end.

As most already know, our true education begins after
we've been educated in/by the system.

Hang onto the dreams but temper them with reality.

Above all, keep the Ethics strong and perpetual.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 11:35:41 PM
I was testing hitting the MOT cores with metal like woopy did and found what causes the voltage.

I also checked for magnetism in my I cores and could not conclude anything.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3v2d2czTZg

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 12, 2014, 11:45:35 PM
 Luc my friend you are seeing the reflection of the magnet in the compass and not any residual magnetism in the steel. Try attaching a very very small piece of iron to the rotor parts that will tell you if there is any residual magnetism in them. See this is the misdirection people employ to discredit findings. Very bad test indeed...

 FYI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ

 Some descriptions from the originators. And this might let you see I was correct at my guess. I just found this video even though it came out on april 3rd.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: iflewmyown on April 13, 2014, 01:25:56 AM
Luc,
   I am the guy that PMed Woopy about striking the transformer. In my best tests last night I obtained 481 volts from the secondary winding of a 17 pound microwave oven transformer from a 1978 Sharp microwave. I used a 2 1/2 pound rod of hardened steel. Results can be obtained from striking anywhere on the laminations in any direction. The steel is not magnetic but I am aware that the core could be shifting in the bobbin although I can not detect and movement and I have the equipment to do that. Just to be sure I tried a second transformer from an old oscilloscope which have visible runs of hardened varnish still dripped all over it. The winding has taps for 130 120 110 24 12 volt. It weighs about 1.5 lbs and is about the size of my hand. The best it has produced is 108 volts. I have an old choke about the same size with only one winding that makes 10 volts every time.
    Using the microwave transformer I hooked a neon bulb across the secondary and it will blink long enough to see easily. The scope shows six or seven breaks each hit at about 170 volts.
    The first spike wave lasts almost always 250 us.
     When I strike the laminations I use a good blow but power is not as useful as sharpness. Think of striking a bell.
     I am not disputing anyone's results only saying the effect is very interesting to me.
Garry
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on April 13, 2014, 01:39:53 AM

 Except there is a coil on the rotor. And this was my suggestion.


 Actually the roots of any of these patents is this:  http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine


               and                                                        :  http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-445,207-electro-magnetic-motor




There are a huge amount of these produced by Tesla and others.
 With the first example being the unit presented in sections. All of the sections can be built into the Exciter/Generator/Motor unit. EGM for short.



 Here is a quote of note in the first patent:


 "My present invention relates, chiefly, to the alternating-current system invented by me and described in prior patents, notably Nos. 381,968 and 382,280, of May 1, 1888, in which the motors or transformers, or generally the converters, are operated by a progressive shifting or movement of their magnetic poles produced by the co-operative action of independent magnetizing-coils through which pass alternating currents in proper order and direction. In my said system, as I have heretofore shown, I employed a generator of alternating currents in which there were independent induced or generating coils corresponding to the energizing-coils of the converter, and the relations of the generator and converters were generally such that the speed of rotation of the magnetic poles of the converter equaled that of the armature of the generator.To secure the greatest efficiency, it is necessary to run the machines at a high speed, and this is true not only of those generators and motors which are particularly adapted for use in my system, but of others. The practicability of running at very high speeds, however, particularly in the case of large generators, is limited by mechanical conditions, in seeking to avoid which I have devised various plans for operating the system under efficient conditions, although running the generator at a comparatively low rate of speed.
My present invention consists of another way of accomplishing this result, which in certain respects presents many advantages. According to the invention, in lieu of driving the armature of the generator at a high rate of speed, I produce a rotation of the magnetic poles of one element of the generator and drive the other at a different speed, by which similar results are obtained to those secured by a rapid rotation of one of the elements."

There are a huge amount of these produced by Tesla and others. Yes and built to the patent and not one single report of OU generation. I'm not sure but I think the Tesla AC generator system as seen in the 390721 patent was produced in Australia for the Southern Cross company and sold to farms ect., driven by diesel engines or tractors pto drives or by belts from steam engines. If that system was OU we would not be here talking. Seriously.

If I make some steel blocks for between the coils on one of my four coil toroids and make a rotor bar I can have a QEG setup. My best guess is that it would consume more power from the excitation and driving the motor than is dissipated in the output.

Anyone showing any different yet ?

Cheers

P.S. I think the sound SeaMonkey refers to is a 400 Hz hum. But I can't say for sure I've never served in the military.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 13, 2014, 01:43:06 AM
Jbignes5:

It is indeed possible that the compass magnet itself is causing the deflection.  Also, it's undetermined if a small piece of metal will show any residual magnetism because the field can be very weak.

Quote
See this is the misdirection people employ to discredit findings. Very bad test indeed...

You should stop this.  There is no misdirection employed nor is there any intention to discredit findings.  It is a perfectly good test to make.  This is all in your head and you should get over it.  I have indeed stated that I do not expect anything to come from HopeGirl and the QEG project based on my experience.  But Luc's test is a completely different thing and the suggestions are real and done with good intentions.

What almost always happens is that there is a peer pressure to try to use every observation to support the latest free energy proposition.  This is done without doing any due diligence and checking of measurements, considering other explanations, doing or inventing other tests to check hypotheses, etc.  That is the wrong way to experiment and do investigations.  This idea that you put on blinders and use tunnel vision to reach your objective is just plain wrong.

Take a look at the "delayed Lenz effect" as an example.  It's almost certain that everybody got that one wrong.  Farmhand pointed out the problems with that notion over a year ago and more recently Conradelectro replicated it.  We looked at the power dissipation in the pick-up coil and realized that when you add the load resistor the power dissipated in the pick-up coil goes down and therefore rotor speeds up.  The problem is that people replicated it, saw what they were expecting to see, and "confirmed" that there was a "delayed Lenz effect."  I am pretty sure nearly none of them made the total power dissipation measurements in the pick-up coil before and after adding the load resistor.

And I know Luc that you may have originated the "delayed Lenz" tests but there is no offense intended.  It's all just part of a learning experience.  If anybody is going to experiment with electronics you can just about never stop learning.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 13, 2014, 02:34:26 AM
Luc, Gyula,

Guyla made some very interesting comments about the core saturation and effects of the light bulbs.  Those could indeed be a possible explanation for the observations.  It would be a bit tricky to make more tests to confirm or deny these ideas, all part of the fun.

In the second clip you can see that the LC resonator is slowly being "filled" as the motor runs.  Every time the rotor makes a pass, a small amount of new energy is being added to the LC tank circuit.

My thoughts are that there is a stronger magnetic force in the gap when the "I" lines up with the "E" as the energy in the LC tank goes up.  So as the peak-to-peak voltage gets high, the current gets high, the magnetic force gets high, and the rotor bends to the point it starts to hit the MOT.  At the same time, the smaller the gap gets because of the bending, the more pronounced the effective inductance modulation becomes.  Likewise, if there is residual magnetization, the more modulated the residual magnetic flux gets.  That would put more available energy into each EMF pulse that adds energy to the LC tank circuit.

There are also mechanical resonances that may come into play.  The rotor has a front-to-back "wobble" resonance also.  It may be that the on-off attraction forces associated with the gap make the rotor wobble close to it's resonant frequency.  By the same token, the motor itself may be making the rotor wobble.

So mechanical resonance is another possibility to explain the phenomenon.  It might be mechanical resonance that is excited either by the RPM of the physical motor itself, or it might be mechanical resonance excited by the on-off attraction of the rotor to the MOT.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 13, 2014, 02:40:35 AM
Jbignes5:

It is indeed possible that the compass magnet itself is causing the deflection.  Also, it's undetermined if a small piece of metal will show any residual magnetism because the field can be very weak.

You should stop this.  There is no misdirection employed nor is there any intention to discredit findings.  It is a perfectly good test to make.  This is all in your head and you should get over it.  I have indeed stated that I do not expect anything to come from HopeGirl and the QEG project based on my experience.  But Luc's test is a completely different thing and the suggestions are real and done with good intentions.

What almost always happens is that there is a peer pressure to try to use every observation to support the latest free energy proposition.  This is done without doing any due diligence and checking of measurements, considering other explanations, doing or inventing other tests to check hypotheses, etc.  That is the wrong way to experiment and do investigations.  This idea that you put on blinders and use tunnel vision to reach your objective is just plain wrong.

Take a look at the "delayed Lenz effect" as an example.  It's almost certain that everybody got that one wrong.  Farmhand pointed out the problems with that notion over a year ago and more recently Conradelectro replicated it.  We looked at the power dissipation in the pick-up coil and realized that when you add the load resistor the power dissipated in the pick-up coil goes down and therefore rotor speeds up.  The problem is that people replicated it, saw what they were expecting to see, and "confirmed" that there was a "delayed Lenz effect."  I am pretty sure nearly none of them made the total power dissipation measurements in the pick-up coil before and after adding the load resistor.

And I know Luc that you may have originated the "delayed Lenz" tests but there is no offense intended.  It's all just part of a learning experience.  If anybody is going to experiment with electronics you can just about never stop learning.

MileHigh


 I will stop no such thing. It is healthy to be a skeptic even on the current accepted dogma. I do it boths way not just in this example.


 The argument that they should measure this and measure that when they are trying to understand what is happening is not the proper way to experiment. Yes it will help along the way as time and data is present. They are trying to work out the bugs or unthought of hindrances to the system. And if the output is only 25% of what they claim that is still more out then in. I agree that they should have a better knowledge of the unit by testing it out but they are in the process of getting everything else done including structural integrity tests. Obviously you will not be able to snow a trained engineer and fool him. They are doing just that in Taipe. IF this company doesn't know how it is working then obviously they would drop it wouldn't they?


 Just hang on a bit longer and see the results before claiming anything yourself. If they have to teach electrical engineers something in order to build it then it has to be a new "Something".


 This is soo close to the system I am building that I am excited to try to get back to the building of the system I know will work. My excitement wanes fast knowing I can not leave my bed for days at a time. It's depressing to know a good amount of information and not be able to put it into action. I am glad they are doing where I can not. I am glad that the open source theory is proving to be the winner as opposed to keeping this stuff in secret and trying to hoard everything from that work. Keep it open and in the public eye and no one will be able to control it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 13, 2014, 02:53:05 AM
I was testing hitting the MOT cores with metal like woopy did and found what causes the voltage.

I also checked for magnetism in my I cores and could not conclude anything.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3v2d2czTZg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3v2d2czTZg)

Luc

Yeah, the compass may not be the best idea. But, there may be a better way of using it.

The face of the ecore has 3 poles. If you bring the compass close to each of the 3 posts, 1 at a time, if there is residual magnetism, the compass should have a preference as to which end of the needle is attracted to each pole.  Like if the N of the compass points to the center pole, the outer poles should produce a S needle attraction. That is if there is residual mag field in the core.

When you were rotating the core caps of the motor with the compass on top of the ecore, the compass seemed to have N attraction to one cap and S attraction to the other cap.  May have been just the inertia of the needle as you rotated one cap to the next, but I would recheck that also.


The insulated screw driver deal was very interesting.   ;) How much voltage was being produced with that test when you were touching the metal of the screwdriver? And I wonder how much there may be if you had a ground wire attached to the screwdriver and retest. ;D

I have a mot here that I will try some things as you did. Im thinking of setting up a reed relay to buzz at different freqs, connecting and disconnecting ground to the core.  Might be interesting. ;D

Very good thinking on your part there.  Very impressed, as usual. ;)

Mags

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 13, 2014, 02:53:30 AM
Jibgnes5:

You are welcome to question and be a skeptic about the current accepted dogma.  That's a technical issue and don't be surprised if you get technical responses.

Stop trying to allege that I am something that I am not.  I am not a 'bad guy' so get over it.  My discussion about the remnant magnetism is 100% legitimate and you tried to suggest that this was being done to derail this investigation and that is not true.

Going back to the Far East, I thing it's too soon to get a response from the engineers in Taipei.  I assume sometime later we will hear from them.  Based on my real-world experience, it's honesty hard for me to believe that they got an audience with some engineers.  Just like it's hard to believe that Wayne Travis has real engineers working for him.  But that's just me.  So let's hope that we hear from the Taipei engineers directly, and not via HopeGirl's blog.

I am sorry that you have heath issues and I hope that you can devote some time to your projects.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 13, 2014, 03:12:15 AM
Jibgnes5:

You are welcome to question and be a skeptic about the current accepted dogma.  That's a technical issue and don't be surprised if you get technical responses.

Stop trying to allege that I am something that I am not.  I am not a 'bad guy' so get over it.  My discussion about the remnant magnetism is 100% legitimate and you tried to suggest that this was being done to derail this investigation and that is not true.

I am sorry that you have heath issues and I hope that you can devote some time to your projects.

MileHigh


 No i took issue with the method to measure residual magnetism. You knew the compass had a magnet in it and hence why it was designed to look like the core was magnetized. Most uneducated people who are working here believe that crap and hence my comment that this is a bad guy tactic. You proposed that not me nor anyone else. It is what it appears. What was shown is that a self proclaimed professional would even suggest to detect a magnetic field by using a magnet especially if the residual magnet is in steel? Come on you did not know that a magnet reacts to steel?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 13, 2014, 03:44:25 AM
Luc:

I am going to give you a suggestion for using the compass with a simple example that perhaps you can apply in your own way with your setup.

We know the compass is a magnet itself.  So it has the ability to disturb it's own measurements.  This is an issue that comes up all the time in all sorts of applications of sensors.  For an example, when you use an ammeter, it disturbs the current measurement by introducing an extra resistance into the current loop.  However, you understand in most cases the disturbance is insignificant.

The way to overcome this issue with the compass is to make differential measurements.

Suppose you have a rectangular block of metal to check for residual magnetism, and you also have an identical block of metal that is not magnetized.

The compass is lined up North-South and you approach the compass with the unmagnetized metal block and place it so the compass deflects 45 degrees.  Now, since the block of metal is unmagnetized, if you turn it around by 180 degrees and put it in the same position, the compass will still be deflected by 45 degrees.

Now if you do the same test with the slightly magnetized block you will get different results.  In one position the compass might be deflected by 43 degrees.  Turn the block around and the compass might be deflected by 47 degrees.  That is clearly telling you that there is some residual magnetism in the second block of metal.

Note that you don't need the unmagnetized block of metal as a reference.  I simply used it in the description to make the point.

Your box is built so I don't know if you can make this measurement.  If you had the "I" core and the "E" core on your bench you could in theory do these tests.  Note that you have to test for the three main polarization directions for a block also, x, y, and z.  You assume that you don't know what the direction of the polarization is.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 13, 2014, 03:53:43 AM
Jbignes5:

Quote
No i took issue with the method to measure residual magnetism. You knew the compass had a magnet in it and hence why it was designed to look like the core was magnetized. Most uneducated people who are working here believe that crap and hence my comment that this is a bad guy tactic.

If you noticed I just kicked your butt in the previous posting.  No bad guy tactic, your comments are ridiculous.  When it comes to the educational level with respect to electronics and who is educated and who is uneducated, you have to take a good look in the mirror and be honest with yourself.

Take me off of your agenda and let's just discuss the technical aspects of Luc and Woopy's tests.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 13, 2014, 04:02:31 AM

 Ugh Milehigh please come down to earth ok.

 In fact magnetism is the cause of the vibration. When a current is drawn from the coils it creates a magnetic field within the core when they align and to a certain extent when they get a certain degree from alignment. The fact that it doesn't appear to do much in the QEG design means that it might be a locking effect on the rotor of the Luc design. The important thing is that luc is also seeing an event when it goes into resonance. Lucs design isn't rigid enough to handle the abuse and must be pulling the I's into a deadlock position when that resonance is reached. This is due to current flowing in the coils and creating a magnetic field which slowly locks onto the poles.


 Again why not use a toroid like I suggested with no poles. Tesla said that it was like having a toroid with unlimited poles without using poles at all in his designs. Poles create cogging and huge losses. Why not get rid of them?

 I'll search for the specific Tesla saying about the pole issue. Oh and for motors poles work best I would think for maximum torque.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 13, 2014, 04:11:03 AM
Hi everyone,

the suggestion of having the bulbs in series on the high voltage side has helped stabilize the Resonance.

Here is the video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jYPDuueY0

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 13, 2014, 05:19:40 AM
Luc:

I am going to give you a suggestion for using the compass with a simple example that perhaps you can apply in your own way with your setup.

We know the compass is a magnet itself.  So it has the ability to disturb it's own measurements.  This is an issue that comes up all the time in all sorts of applications of sensors.  For an example, when you use an ammeter, it disturbs the current measurement by introducing an extra resistance into the current loop.  However, you understand in most cases the disturbance is insignificant.

The way to overcome this issue with the compass is to make differential measurements.

Suppose you have a rectangular block of metal to check for residual magnetism, and you also have an identical block of metal that is not magnetized.

The compass is lined up North-South and you approach the compass with the unmagnetized metal block and place it so the compass deflects 45 degrees.  Now, since the block of metal is unmagnetized, if you turn it around by 180 degrees and put it in the same position, the compass will still be deflected by 45 degrees.

Now if you do the same test with the slightly magnetized block you will get different results.  In one position the compass might be deflected by 43 degrees.  Turn the block around and the compass might be deflected by 47 degrees.  That is clearly telling you that there is some residual magnetism in the second block of metal.

Note that you don't need the unmagnetized block of metal as a reference.  I simply used it in the description to make the point.

Your box is built so I don't know if you can make this measurement.  If you had the "I" core and the "E" core on your bench you could in theory do these tests.  Note that you have to test for the three main polarization directions for a block also, x, y, and z.  You assume that you don't know what the direction of the polarization is.

MileHigh

Thanks for the suggestions on the better way to use the compass. I'll keep it in mind for next to to check before I close cores up in a box as I think it too late now as there's not enough room to do the tests as you suggest.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 13, 2014, 05:23:36 AM
Luc,
   I am the guy that PMed Woopy about striking the transformer. In my best tests last night I obtained 481 volts from the secondary winding of a 17 pound microwave oven transformer from a 1978 Sharp microwave. I used a 2 1/2 pound rod of hardened steel. Results can be obtained from striking anywhere on the laminations in any direction. The steel is not magnetic but I am aware that the core could be shifting in the bobbin although I can not detect and movement and I have the equipment to do that. Just to be sure I tried a second transformer from an old oscilloscope which have visible runs of hardened varnish still dripped all over it. The winding has taps for 130 120 110 24 12 volt. It weighs about 1.5 lbs and is about the size of my hand. The best it has produced is 108 volts. I have an old choke about the same size with only one winding that makes 10 volts every time.
    Using the microwave transformer I hooked a neon bulb across the secondary and it will blink long enough to see easily. The scope shows six or seven breaks each hit at about 170 volts.
    The first spike wave lasts almost always 250 us.
     When I strike the laminations I use a good blow but power is not as useful as sharpness. Think of striking a bell.
     I am not disputing anyone's results only saying the effect is very interesting to me.
Garry

Hi Garry,

interesting results!... can you make a video demo of your experiment?

Thanks

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on April 13, 2014, 03:49:56 PM
If varying the inductance parameter is all that is required then it can be done without any rotor and with a very small input power. If I take an off the shelf 220 to 15 v transformer that has two 15 volt windings then simply short one of the 15 volt windings the inductance of the 220 volt winding varies from 4.4 H to almost nothing, then if I use a 12 volt bulb with a cold resistance of 5.5 ohms it varies between 4.4 H and 200 mH. Will that excite the transformer if I switch a load in and out at the correct frequency ? I think there is more to it than just varying the inductance, something missing, which is I think input.

..

QEG report from Germany. He has had his for over a year so it must be Witts device. 

Looking at the report below it seems like they don't understand why they can't turn the several thousand watts of oscillating power (accumulated) in the tank into a continuous output. It's comical. Grasping at straws when they resort to the old line of
Quote
"I think it has overunity potential because no matter what you attach to the output ,the QEG draws not more power."


On the other hand that behavior says to me that the output is limited to a bit less than the unloaded input.

From peswiki - http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:04:10#German_Group_achieves_QEG_resonance
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5kV @ 500mA
Somebody built a QEG in Germany and now has resonance.
In fact he writes in the comments that he has been tuning this machine for about a year and also gave up several times, but then with the Plans from Hopegirl he could bring the machine to work.
"A test 3 days ago showed up that we have 9300V at 0.7A. The Problem is somewhere in the Transformation between primary windings and secondary windings. If we start with a higher load attached like 500 Watt lamps we reach resonance but the lamp didn't light up. The machine is producing "raw power".
I think it has overunity potential because no matter what you attach to the output ,the QEG draws not more power. The secret is to get the exciter tank circuit to run properly, only then we can have more power than 150 Watts. Its like in Taiwan they havn't attached more than two bulbs right? Its the same here. Only raw power!"

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: kajunkreations on April 13, 2014, 04:44:52 PM
 Hey Farmhand, you are correct, the germans QEG is a WITTS device. If you go to his forum at http://www.qeg-forum.de/ (http://www.qeg-forum.de/), you will find a little more info there.
His screen name is TeslaTech. You must register to see any images in the post.. In the thread "Construction" he says that he got his info from Tim Thrapp via Skype, but obviously not all the info needed.

 Nolan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 13, 2014, 05:31:13 PM
Hi everyone,

the suggestion of having the bulbs in series on the high voltage side has helped stabilize the Resonance.

Here is the video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jYPDuueY0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jYPDuueY0)

Luc

Do you have any more bulbs to add in series? ;D

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 13, 2014, 05:37:46 PM
If varying the inductance parameter is all that is required then it can be done without any rotor and with a very small input power. If I take an off the shelf 220 to 15 v transformer that has two 15 volt windings then simply short one of the 15 volt windings the inductance of the 220 volt winding varies from 4.4 H to almost nothing, then if I use a 12 volt bulb with a cold resistance of 5.5 ohms it varies between 4.4 H and 200 mH. Will that excite the transformer if I switch a load in and out at the correct frequency ? I think there is more to it than just varying the inductance, something missing, which is I think input.

..

QEG report from Germany. He has had his for over a year so it must be Witts device. 

Looking at the report below it seems like they don't understand why they can't turn the several thousand watts of oscillating power (accumulated) in the tank into a continuous output. It's comical. Grasping at straws when they resort to the old line of 

On the other hand that behavior says to me that the output is limited to a bit less than the unloaded input.

From peswiki - http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:04:10#German_Group_achieves_QEG_resonance (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:04:10#German_Group_achieves_QEG_resonance)
..


 Farmhand,


 The inductances have only a part in the whole machine. What they are saying is the high voltage comes from the Steel as a piezo type effect. Don't know if I agree but that is the source of the voltage. The coils then boost that voltage. The switching of the inductances only is used to route the voltage after it is picked up and is a guide for magnetic forces after the process starts.. Of course after the magnetics start shortcutting and cutting the coil it runs in resonance. The extra generation is from the magnetic field being channeled into the rotor then going into various portions of the toroid. But I will have to look at it way more closely to understand the basic function.


 This is very familiar isn't it Farmhand? The only difference I can see from this and my angle is that they don't have a central Coil on the rotor to pull off Current from the magnetic portion of the device that travels along the rotor. Oh wait the system I was looking at uses two phases and is actively driven from a magneto. With the prime mover already integrated into this system you won't have switching problems like they are having.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 13, 2014, 05:48:37 PM
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/226-update-april-13-from-the-qeg-team-in-taiwan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 13, 2014, 05:57:34 PM
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/226-update-april-13-from-the-qeg-team-in-taiwan (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/226-update-april-13-from-the-qeg-team-in-taiwan)

53 minutes of nothing but Robitaille talking? And then a few minutes at the end on "how to use your computer to do a videoconference"?

Yep, that's the kind of update we need, for sure. I feel a lot more confident now.... don't you?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 13, 2014, 06:00:49 PM
Well, I don't know. It's a free world. You can decide what is crap and what isn't.


Cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 13, 2014, 07:07:19 PM
Do you have any more bulbs to add in series? ;D

Mags

I do!...why?

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 13, 2014, 07:28:04 PM
53 minutes of nothing but Robitaille talking? And then a few minutes at the end on "how to use your computer to do a videoconference"?

Yep, that's the kind of update we need, for sure. I feel a lot more confident now.... don't you?


 Wow obviously you didn't hear what they are working on and all the questions being answered to the best of his ability.


 Why are you constantly attacking this guy. No wonder they left America to do this work. Faced with your cynicism who would want to deal with that. They left because of this attitude and they are spreading this FAR and wide without your or my help.


 Are you jealous that you didn't get to lambaste them with your cynicism?


 That video tells a lot but you choose not to listen. Fine I guess you go back to the end of the line when it comes time to hand out the plans and finished design.


 They have a plan, they are following the plan for an uninterruptible launch. It's a plan that doesn't include fighting nay sayers or defending the device. It is a plan of action, of doing then they will go to the critics and answer them WITH FACTS. They are improving it as we speak and each step is a very important one full of discovery and from what it looks like joy. Their goal is to win against all the odds that is stacked up against them. If the project works as designed then hey MORE POWER to them! Power that they will not be paying for ROFL!


 Your slip is showing. You are showing us every day who's side you are on. It's not ours thats for sure.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 13, 2014, 07:46:53 PM

 Wow obviously you didn't hear what they are working on and all the questions being answered to the best of his ability.


 Why are you constantly attacking this guy. No wonder they left America to do this work. Faced with your cynicism who would want to deal with that. They left because of this attitude and they are spreading this FAR and wide without your or my help.


 Are you jealous that you didn't get to lambaste them with your cynicism?


 That video tells a lot but you choose not to listen. Fine I guess you go back to the end of the line when it comes time to hand out the plans and finished design.


 They have a plan, they are following the plan for an uninterruptible launch. It's a plan that doesn't include fighting nay sayers or defending the device. It is a plan of action, of doing then they will go to the critics and answer them WITH FACTS. They are improving it as we speak and each step is a very important one full of discovery and from what it looks like joy. Their goal is to win against all the odds that is stacked up against them. If the project works as designed then hey MORE POWER to them! Power that they will not be paying for ROFL!


 Your slip is showing. You are showing us every day who's side you are on. It's not ours thats for sure.


jbigness,  Very well said!    I think they have the best overall plan I've seen to get a free energy device out.   It may be part of their plan to get improvements along the way by getting others to build this as they teach the basics.   As each group learns to build it there will undoubtedly be some ideas come up on ways to make it better.     
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 13, 2014, 07:52:14 PM



 Well from the video that is exactly what they are doing. They are using the teaching process to learn from a wide array of professionals or even regular joes. This is the perfect way to introduce a ground breaking device. No one will be able to stop it, no one.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 13, 2014, 08:05:54 PM
can't see any good reason for all the negative comments by some.  it should be obvious fairly soon what they have.  it seems the name Hopegirl is a real hard one for Tinselhead since he can't even call her that instead calling her Whatevergirl.   Hope is like belief.   Belief is too close to religion for Tinsel apparently and we know where aetheists stand on that.  this will be a real crusher for Tinsel once this free energy device really gets big.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 13, 2014, 08:54:00 PM
53 minutes of nothing but Robitaille talking? And then a few minutes at the end on "how to use your computer to do a videoconference"?

Yep, that's the kind of update we need, for sure. I feel a lot more confident now.... don't you?

I don't understand Tinsel's attitude. Is he an oil company shill? It appears that his strategy is to constantly attack people and their ideas with a continual stream of negativity and sarcasm.

Why doesn't he find an under unity forum and hang out there?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 13, 2014, 09:18:57 PM
Why doesn't he find an under unity forum and hang out there?

What kind of fun would be for him ;D

Seriously, I don't mind since they have helped me in many ways over the years. They are here for a reason and we should allow them to voice their opinions without objections. If you don't agree we shouldn't bother arguing to make our point. We should use or time to experiment to try to prove what we believe to be.

Believe it or not, they want the same thing you want!... they just won't believe it until they see all the tests done right and only then they will build it for them self for final proof.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 13, 2014, 09:22:44 PM
I don't understand Tinsel's attitude. Is he an oil company shill? It appears that his strategy is to constantly attack people and their ideas with a continual stream of negativity and sarcasm.

Why doesn't he find an under unity forum and hang out there?


 Well Tinsels attitude is like all others who spent their entire life thinking what they learned was FACT. It's an ego thing really. When something or someone comes along that challenges those beliefs of their FACTS they become Violent or Vindictive or Confrontational because it is basically attacking what they believe is FACT and Truthful.
 As to who he is and where he works is really not important.


 My aim is to give these people a chance to get to the point of Data disclosure. They deserve that just on general respect principles. Even if the device is a flop they should be able to do what they need to do to get the proof and the understanding of that proof these guys desire.


 Maybe they don't want others to build it and find out the truth? Maybe there is a conspiracy here. I don't know the answers to that but it sure does appear to look that way. It seems there is a concerted effort to do damage control here and try to put the cat back in the box. Welp this is why I believe they went to other countries. See America isn't about freedom anymore it is about CONTROL of the masses. LAWS, Regulations, Codes seem to be well meaning but when you are subjects to them outside of their context, well thats CONTROL not freedom.


 I'm waiting in earnest to see something from Morocco, which is there next stop. Maybe a video that can later be seen since internet and phone communications are bad there. Hopefully they will bring a lot of recording material with them so we get a better picture of the work they are doing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 13, 2014, 11:08:24 PM
What kind of fun would be for him ;D

Seriously, I don't mind since they have helped me in many ways over the years. They are here for a reason and we should allow them to voice their opinions without objections. If you don't agree we shouldn't bother arguing to make our point. We should use or time to experiment to try to prove what we believe to be.

Believe it or not, they want the same thing you want!... they just won't believe it until they see all the tests done right and only then they will build it for them self for final proof.

Luc


Well said Luc. Some people just need others to know Physics is never wrong but don't know all the Physics that needs to be known and others have mile high egos and not much more. Hopefully we'll all learn something in the end.


chrisC

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 13, 2014, 11:18:58 PM
ChrisC:

You allege that I write crap?  Please go ahead and tell me what you think is crap.

We will see if you will make a comment in five and a half weeks after many replicators will have had a chance to build and test the thing, as per the actual open-source downloaded plans.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: woopy on April 13, 2014, 11:42:27 PM
Hi all

Just tried something after Gyula information on the Russian(Lanarev )  paper from 1934 , where a crossing alu plate. decreases the inductance of 2 facing coil.

And it seems that by variation of inductance, Increasing it or decreasing it, generate some electricity

And  , by doing it, also seems not to submitted to Lenz    perhaps    ???

My 2 cents

http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k

laurent
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 14, 2014, 12:58:03 AM
What kind of fun would be for him ;D

Seriously, I don't mind since they have helped me in many ways over the years. They are here for a reason and we should allow them to voice their opinions without objections. If you don't agree we shouldn't bother arguing to make our point. We should use or time to experiment to try to prove what we believe to be.

Believe it or not, they want the same thing you want!... they just won't believe it until they see all the tests done right and only then they will build it for them self for final proof.

Luc
Nicely put Luc,
My spideysense is starting to tingle though. Your own experiments have shown much more data on the purported effect than FTW has. Based on Mark's assessment they have collected nearly 100k from crowd sourcing. Still no I/O data as promised. I wish you every success with your experiments.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 14, 2014, 01:57:29 AM
The unfortunate thing is that the QEG group is demonstrating the same pattern that we have all seen many times over.  They clearly and unambiguously claimed that they have a free energy machine.  Then all of a sudden it's "in development" and replicators are welcome to tweak the design and adapt it for themselves.  It's the Internet age, you don't have to physically travel somewhere to demonstrate your concepts.  You can use Skype and email.  The people promoting this idea seem to have limited technical abilities.  Let's assume the majority of the replication teams will be amateurs, and the replicators will go down dozens or hundreds of blind alleyways and do crazy nonsensical variations because they don't know what they are doing.

The system has been claimed to work, outputting 4 kilowatts. But no details were provided about the output voltage and current of the device itself, what transformer or transformers they may have used, and what the actual 4 kilowatt load was.  How come this was not described and the guy that built it didn't say something like, "We used a 10 KVA 10:1 step-down transformer, and built a metal frame to hold 40 100-watt light bulbs, etc, etc.  How come there is no picture of this apparatus?  It's a lot of work to make a load bank to dissipate 4 kilowatts.  Hey, for all I know they could have used toasters and make toast while they ran their test.  I would like to see a picture of of the toasters and all of the data.

The point being that if you are going to actually claim you ran this setup let's say with a motor that drew 500 watts, and you output 4 kilowatts into a load, the first question you should be asking the QEG people is for full details on this test including measurements, video clips, pictures, a description of what was done, the actual data, and so on.

I don't hear any of you guys asking for this data.  It's like you have put on your special tunnel vision blinders and will simply expect it to work - like magic.  You are here to research free energy and you are building things all the time, and yet no one that I am aware of is asking for the hard core details about the 4 kilowatt test.

On one hand, everything about this one seems groovy and flexible and people are free to try different configurations, and yet when you try to replicate other free energy propositions that fail, you are told that you didn't do the replication exactly.  If you didn't use the exact same wire with precisely the same number of turns on the exact same core, then it won't work and you can't blame the inventor, only yourself for failing to replicate.

Those are some of the pieces to the puzzle.  The problem for many of you is that you have seen this puzzle before.  All of the signs in the latest puzzle point in the direction that says it's won't work, because you have seen it all before.  You have seen dozens and dozens of "coil resonance plays" and they never work.  Resonance is not magic and only represents the storage of energy put into the resonating system from a source, like a battery.  Resonance is not and will never be an innate source of energy itself.  You have all been through this over and over and over.

So from my perspective, I am just waiting for the tears to start falling.  Lots of groups will be burnt out, dismayed, and unhappy after spending a few hundred hours and getting nowhere.  Reality is going to hurt them and it's going to bite HopeGirl in the ass.

You guys can do whatever you want and make some tests and I may comment in the genuine spirit of trying to help you.  Meanwhile, the impending disaster of irate groups of replicators, many of them presumably not familiar with the whole free energy forums and all that, they are going to be one group of pissed off people that want results.

This appears to be nothing more than exciting coils into resonance.  The coils are just resonating and waiting for either more energy to be put into them from an outside source, or they will be drained of energy and the resonant amplitude will decrease.  That's all there is to it, there is no magic anywhere, it's nothing more than basic rudimentary electronics.

Let's all watch the show.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced
Post by: Rfacts on April 14, 2014, 02:38:47 AM
gotoluc:

I really appreciate all of your experimental efforts and sharing of your results.  I think many more than you're aware of benefit from the work you openly share.  We learn something from every experiment whether we conduct it ourselves or if it is conducted by someone else who provides the configuration, test protocol and the data needed to replicate the experiment like you do.  You learn whether your results are as you expected or not.  Richard Feynman put it best: The test of all knowledge is experiment.

Your builds are professional and you stand out because you like to confirm things for yourself without letting negative comments deter you from your experimental work.  At times both sides resort to sniping, name calling and sarcasm that is not constructive, it discourages those of us that may have something productive to contribute.  Yet you remain open minded to glean what you can from both sides, bravo!  Kudos to woopy too!  You can't beat hands-on experimental work to learn while enjoying the building experience, but even though both sides have something positive to contribute you do sometimes have to filter out the unproductive background noise.

I'm encouraged by your open and objective approach to post an idea that I had which also makes use of microwave oven transformer cores and would like to know what you think.  I'm attaching a drawing that I made of a QEG Experimental Test Unit to test the effects by utilizing 2 or 3 MOT cores.  I think it would eliminate the flexing problem you're having while bringing it closer to the original QEG toroid design and allows use of bobbins to test with different coil configurations.  One unit design requires three MOT E core pieces of the same size to maintain the same rotor dimensions and other rotor designs would only require two MOTs because one of the left over I core pieces would be used to make two variations of a rotor at the more narrow width of the I core piece.  Some core machining would be required but it may be worth a try.

Also wanted to point out that James Robitaille stated in the recently posted PESN video interview at the 28:00 minute mark that he tested his QEG configuration at the lower frequencies that you're testing at but found that the QEG growled and beat itself up and he didn't think it would last so he stayed away from the low RPMs.  In the QEG Taiwan Update video that was posted today at the 13:00 minute mark James Robitaille states that he is still using a primary LC capacitance of 0.125uF and achieved smooth resonance in Taiwan at a rotor RPM of 1331, he had reported that the first QEG he built back home achieved smooth resonance at 1450 RPM which he considered to be about mid power band and that the QEG will operate on harmonics.

Thanks and as lasersaber well puts it, let's keep experimenting.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 14, 2014, 02:55:30 AM
What kind of fun would be for him ;D

Well, fun is one thing, but fun at another person's expense is quite another thing, and I don't agree with that, and I will call that out because I don't like it.

Seriously, I don't mind since they have helped me in many ways over the years.

If you don't mind that type of behavior, that's okay with me (for you) that you don't mind that type of behavior; however, (not to be counter-oppositional to your position on that type of behavior) I do mind, and I will voice my opinion even if it's unpopular if I see something that I believe is objectionable, and I'm not referring to free energy or the like, I referring to the way we treat one another.

They are here for a reason


Good for them. I am here for a reason, too. I'm here to learn and share ideas, and I'm going to do that as I'm doing it now.

and we should allow them to voice their opinions

They may voice their opinions; however, I, too, will voice my opinions, especially, if I see something I find objectionable.

without objections.

If I have an objection, I will voice it and make it known without reservation.

If you don't agree we shouldn't bother arguing to make our point.

This is what I will agree to: "We are all free to agree or disagree, as we are all free to argue or to not argue, and I will make my choice as I see fit with respect to each particular circumstance."

We should use or time to experiment to try to prove what we believe to be.

Not only experimenting, but researching, writing, sharing ideas, networking and building, be that devices or friendships.

Believe it or not, they want the same thing you want!...

That may be so, and with that, I have no objection. It's how they achieve their ends that matters to me. If it's through attacking people and their ideas, then I will stand against them, and my voice shall be opposition to them.

they just won't believe it until they see all the tests done right and only then they will build it for them self for final proof.

All people are at different levels, and just because "they" want to see "it" be done a certain way, for me, that does not give them license to act in an objectionable manner. If they want to attack a person and their ideas, and they act on that desire, and if what they say is objectionable to me, I will stand up for mine and other people's right not to be attacked.

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 14, 2014, 04:06:45 AM
Missed you at the party VIDBID.

http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/#.U0tCEqLmyzo


Regards...


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 14, 2014, 04:43:12 AM
Missed you at the party VIDBID.

http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/#.U0tCEqLmyzo (http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/#.U0tCEqLmyzo)


Regards...

Why didn't you first offer the same invitation to the person who attacked me?

Be that as it may, whether this QEG technology is valid or not, and only time and effort will tell, no one can dispute that the people of this planet need an energy technology that will not end up destroying the planet. In fact, it may already be too late, and this discussion is only academic.

But if you don't like drinking fracked water, breathing automotive exhaust air, or seeing a sky full of chemtrails, you might consider thinking outside of the box once in a while.

Regards,

VIDBID



 

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 14, 2014, 05:08:01 AM
The unfortunate thing is that the QEG group is demonstrating the same pattern that we have all seen many times over.  They clearly and unambiguously claimed that they have a free energy machine.  Then all of a sudden it's "in development" and replicators are welcome to tweak the design and adapt it for themselves.  It's the Internet age, you don't have to physically travel somewhere to demonstrate your concepts.  You can use Skype and email.  The people promoting this idea seem to have limited technical abilities.  Let's assume the majority of the replication teams will be amateurs, and the replicators will go down dozens or hundreds of blind alleyways and do crazy nonsensical variations because they don't know what they are doing.

The system has been claimed to work, outputting 4 kilowatts. But no details were provided about the output voltage and current of the device itself, what transformer or transformers they may have used, and what the actual 4 kilowatt load was.  How come this was not described and the guy that built it didn't say something like, "We used a 10 KVA 10:1 step-down transformer, and built a metal frame to hold 40 100-watt light bulbs, etc, etc.  How come there is no picture of this apparatus?  It's a lot of work to make a load bank to dissipate 4 kilowatts.  Hey, for all I know they could have used toasters and make toast while they ran their test.  I would like to see a picture of of the toasters and all of the data.

The point being that if you are going to actually claim you ran this setup let's say with a motor that drew 500 watts, and you output 4 kilowatts into a load, the first question you should be asking the QEG people is for full details on this test including measurements, video clips, pictures, a description of what was done, the actual data, and so on.

I don't hear any of you guys asking for this data.  It's like you have put on your special tunnel vision blinders and will simply expect it to work - like magic.  You are here to research free energy and you are building things all the time, and yet no one that I am aware of is asking for the hard core details about the 4 kilowatt test.

On one hand, everything about this one seems groovy and flexible and people are free to try different configurations, and yet when you try to replicate other free energy propositions that fail, you are told that you didn't do the replication exactly.  If you didn't use the exact same wire with precisely the same number of turns on the exact same core, then it won't work and you can't blame the inventor, only yourself for failing to replicate.

Those are some of the pieces to the puzzle.  The problem for many of you is that you have seen this puzzle before.  All of the signs in the latest puzzle point in the direction that says it's won't work, because you have seen it all before.  You have seen dozens and dozens of "coil resonance plays" and they never work.  Resonance is not magic and only represents the storage of energy put into the resonating system from a source, like a battery.  Resonance is not and will never be an innate source of energy itself.  You have all been through this over and over and over.

So from my perspective, I am just waiting for the tears to start falling.  Lots of groups will be burnt out, dismayed, and unhappy after spending a few hundred hours and getting nowhere.  Reality is going to hurt them and it's going to bite HopeGirl in the ass.

You guys can do whatever you want and make some tests and I may comment in the genuine spirit of trying to help you.  Meanwhile, the impending disaster of irate groups of replicators, many of them presumably not familiar with the whole free energy forums and all that, they are going to be one group of pissed off people that want results.

This appears to be nothing more than exciting coils into resonance.  The coils are just resonating and waiting for either more energy to be put into them from an outside source, or they will be drained of energy and the resonant amplitude will decrease.  That's all there is to it, there is no magic anywhere, it's nothing more than basic rudimentary electronics.

Let's all watch the show.

MileHigh


 They have clearly stated the voltage and the amps for the device. 2-4k volts at 5-10 amps. But it depends on the configuration which they are working on. Do you not watch the videos I and others have posted?


 No magic huh? You tell me anyone and I mean anyone that can get power from nothing more then coils on the field cores and just a normal rotor with no magnets or coils on that? The input is mechanical only, so you tell me?


 Just stop already you made your opinion very clear. You state falsely that they have not given the information but yet we have shown the videos explaining the process and the numbers they have done so far. You get others riled up over semantics and BS crap like lying about them not giving the numbers.


 So now it is in your ballpark LIAR. Prove that they didn't give the numbers because they have very clearly stated the number they are getting currently and the numbers they had gotten with the prototype. It's time to put up or shut up! LIAR

 Reference video.. Now this one doesn't go into to much detail but he talks about what they are seeing now and the kind of ideas they have gotten from the discovery process..
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/226-update-april-13-from-the-qeg-team-in-taiwan

 Watch the friken thing and see for yourself.

 Here is a prediction for you. When this starts to ramp up are you gonna tell us your address so we can come congratulate you in person of what a jerk you are?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 14, 2014, 06:20:49 AM
The unfortunate thing is that the QEG group is demonstrating the same pattern that we have all seen many times over.

What are you talking about? From Timothy Thrapp's statements in 2009, it is apparent that the QEG at WITTS Ministries was built sometime 25 years ago. We only finding out how it works now from James, who gave us the construction plans this year, free and to everybody.

So, I must completely disagree with your statement.

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 14, 2014, 06:21:47 AM
Jbignes5:

You can start by toning down the rhetoric.  You don't need to portray this bad ass Marlon Brando character from The Wild One.  It's ridiculous.

I am not aware of any specific details about driving the 4 kilowatt load, are you?

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They have clearly stated the voltage and the amps for the device. 2-4k volts at 5-10 amps.

Yeah, that represents power output between 10 kilowatts and 40 kilowatts.  Please give me the link where they show how they measured this power output.

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No magic huh? You tell me anyone and I mean anyone that can get power from nothing more then coils on the field cores and just a normal rotor with no magnets or coils on that? The input is mechanical only, so you tell me?

I will believe it when I see a) three independent replications by outside parties not associated with HopeGirl and her organization were everything is properly documented and credible, and b) proper validation by a real engineering test lab run by professionals that will sign off on the setup and measurements.

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So now it is in your ballpark LIAR.

We are going to make something perfectly clear right now.  I have read you and debated you over time.  Don't stick your fingers into technical matters with respect to electronics.  The reason for that is that you don't possess the knowledge to make any comments.  You barely have a clue with respect to electronics and you don't have the slightest clue how a coil actually works.  Your comments and suggestions to people about their circuits are nothing more than random pot-shots and once in a while you might get lucky and hit the side of a barn.  Most of the time they are wild misses that don't even make sense.

You got that?  If you want to provide support and motivation to any replicators that's fine.  But for electronics stuff, keep your hands in your pockets and look at the blinking lights, but no more that that.  A foolish, ignorant, or stupid comment from you could cause someone to get a nasty shock because some people may end up playing with high voltage.

Good, now people are fully aware of your limitations and if you were wise you would govern yourself in a way that reflects your limitations.

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Here is a prediction for you. When this starts to ramp up are you gonna tell us your address so we can come congratulate you in person of what a jerk you are?

My prediction is that this is not going to have a happy ending.  If I win do you want a bad-ass leather jacket to compenssate for your unhappiness?

From now on I expect you to be civil with me.  Refrain from making whackadoo electronics suggestions because you don't know what you are talking about.  I am perfectly willing to be civil with you.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 14, 2014, 06:26:55 AM
Vidbid:

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What are you talking about? From Timothy Thrapp's statements in 2009, it is apparent that the QEG at WITTS Ministries was built sometime 25 years ago.

The general concensus on this forum for years from nearly everyone, and I mean everyone, is that WITTS Ministries and Timothy Thrapp are scammers.  They are considered to be low-brow money suckers that have never demonstrated anything credible.

If you don't believe me feel free to ask around.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 14, 2014, 06:30:01 AM
Vidbid:

The general concensus on this forum for years from nearly everyone, and I mean everyone, is that WITTS Ministries and Timothy Thrapp are scammers.  They are considered low-brow money suckers that have never demonstrated anything credible.

If you don't believe me feel free to ask around.

MileHigh


YOU ARE WRONG. You have no permission to speak on my behalf. You seemed to assume everyone thinks you are smart but reality is most people 'avoid' you because you're contentious and a empty vessel. Try to learn something about yourself.


cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 14, 2014, 06:36:55 AM
No, ChrisC, I am RIGHT, I have read it hundreds of times by many posters.  I guess "nearly everyone" doesn't include you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 14, 2014, 06:37:51 AM
Having met Timothy Thrapp in person, and as well as having feedback from other engineers and investors who have also met him over many years, I can assure you that none of us ever saw or was convinced in anyway he had any overunity devices. The generator has or never will be demonstrated to have "overunity or excess power"
It is therefore a flawed assumption to think think they could replicate or base their technology on a flawed design.

I admire the efforts of the people in Taiwan, I do not approve of claims of overunity...especially when it comes to raising funds that have never been demonstrated to work. There is a difference between speculating and claiming.

I have seen many efforts like this over many years from magnetic motors, self running HHO gensets, water powered vehicles,Papp engines, gravity devices and in some cases people devoting over 20 years of their lives. None ever succeeded.
I have no beef with them going ahead doing what they enjoy doing, I wish them every success, but no claims, words or arguments will ever convince or the greater community they have anything of any value unless it can be demonstrated, not speculated about in acceptable manner.
http://revolution-green.com/quantum-energy-generator-taiwan-update/ (http://revolution-green.com/quantum-energy-generator-taiwan-update/)


Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 14, 2014, 06:47:40 AM
Having met Timothy Thrapp in person, and as well as having feedback from other engineers and investors who have over many years, I can assure you that none of us ever saw or was convinced in anyway he had any overunity devices. The generator has or never will be demonstrated to have "overunity or excess power"
I admire the efforts of the people in Taiwan, I do not approve of claims of overunity...especially when it comes to raising funds.
I have seen many efforts like this over many years from magnetic motors, self running HHO gensets, water powered vehicles,Papp engines, gravity devices and in some cases people devoting over 20 years of their lives. None ever succeeded.
I have no beef with them going ahead doing what they enjoy doing, I wish them every success, but no claims, words or arguments will ever convince or the greater community they have anything of any value unless it can be demonstrated, not speculated about in acceptable manner.
http://revolution-green.com/quantum-energy-generator-taiwan-update/ (http://revolution-green.com/quantum-energy-generator-taiwan-update/)


Kind Regards
Mark


Don't be so sure Mark. I admire your persistence in verifying details and you should. Let's just sit tight and wait. If people can't understand this electro-mechanical resonance is different from their grandfather's way of pursuing O.U via magnets and other torroids, then they just need to be patient and wait. The core construction is not something that can be done by normal builders but people with specialized equipment maybe able to construct it once further improvement details are available.
cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on April 14, 2014, 08:15:23 AM

 Farmhand,


 The inductances have only a part in the whole machine. What they are saying is the high voltage comes from the Steel as a piezo type effect. Don't know if I agree but that is the source of the voltage. The coils then boost that voltage. The switching of the inductances only is used to route the voltage after it is picked up and is a guide for magnetic forces after the process starts.. Of course after the magnetics start shortcutting and cutting the coil it runs in resonance. The extra generation is from the magnetic field being channeled into the rotor then going into various portions of the toroid. But I will have to look at it way more closely to understand the basic function.


 This is very familiar isn't it Farmhand? The only difference I can see from this and my angle is that they don't have a central Coil on the rotor to pull off Current from the magnetic portion of the device that travels along the rotor. Oh wait the system I was looking at uses two phases and is actively driven from a magneto. With the prime mover already integrated into this system you won't have switching problems like they are having.

Here's what I think, It won't hurt to build such an arrangement somewhat smaller but make it so that it can be used as an isolation transformer or can be overwound for a step down converter or even used as a regular motor or generator if the QEG fails to work.

I already have made one and partially made another toroidal transformer with coils wound on the four quadrants, I made mine with good core insulation and wound the thousands of turns of 0.5 mm wire neatly by hand with home made saturated bees wax paper in between each layer, with mine I wound a pair of 1 mm wire coils for one layer right on the core first so I can use it as an inverter transformer.

Anyway the point is that such a core and coil set would still be useful to have.

It took me a long time to make them because I did it all by hand, I used induction motor laminated steel from a 8.5 kw motor and cut the pole projections off the individual core plates using metal shears (which did a neat job) but I only used about 20 mm of plates when I should have used about 100 mm then the core would be 100 mm wide and 30 mm radial depth, which would work better for a motor or generator because a wider rotor can be used but not so important for a transformer or converter.

It could probably take the high voltage because of how I made it.

If I used the one I have I could get the spacer blocks to be only about 10 to 15 mm between the coils with a rotor and block width of 40 mm or so it would have an overall core diameter of 220 mm, the smaller the device though, the lower the inductance and that would require a higher frequency/rotor speed.

If I seen any reason to believe it works I would build one. But there is no evidence, only claims or promises or observations whatever they be referred to as. There is reference to two Tesla patents but no Technical explanation as to how these Tesla devices produced OU (which they didn't and were never claimed to by Tesla) or any explanation to even how the Tesla patents actually relate to the device.

Consider this, even if a person was to build a good replication and showed hours of video of it not working and thousands of words explaining what has been done and tried and that it still does not work, it would make little difference to anything.

Cheers

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 14, 2014, 10:39:05 AM
..concensus on this forum..

When did technology start regarding people's opinions?

..have never demonstrated anything credible.

Would that include the two demonstrations of the WITTS generator in videos they produced and of which the current QEG's design is based?

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Chill Pill
Post by: Jimboot on April 14, 2014, 10:55:29 AM
Hi guys,
can I request we take a chill pill here with the name calling on both sides of the fence. Text arguments lead nowhere. Let's stick to data, theories, experiments.
For my part I've seen no real data from FTW. Why? I have no idea but they have lost me.
The work that Luc, Laurent & Gyula are doing though is fascinating and with data. TK & MH - any chance you blokes can be a little less abrasive? I know it must be bloody frustrating when you see us preschoolers in the field make ridiculous assumptions at times but Gyula, Mags et al are able to point out our flaws with a little less ridicule :)
Guys on the FTW side of the fence any chance you can be a little less effusive & look at how Luc handles himself. It will make this thread a lot easier to read.
Thanks

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 14, 2014, 11:05:34 AM
..as well as having feedback from other engineers and investors who have also met him over many years, I can assure you that none of us ever saw or was convinced in anyway he had any overunity devices.

Yes, but does that sample of engineers and investors include any of the people in WITTS Ministries' overunity independent verifications videos?

Those can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/user/WITTS2014

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 14, 2014, 11:20:25 AM
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:04:10#German_Group_achieves_QEG_resonance
Is their support voltage capacitors, because if they have a big quality factor in series  it may be causing the decrease is due to the fact that the capacitors will not longer support a certain voltage.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gyulasun on April 14, 2014, 12:39:21 PM
Hi all

Just tried something after Gyula information on the Russian(Lanarev )  paper from 1934 , where a crossing alu plate. decreases the inductance of 2 facing coil.

And it seems that by variation of inductance, Increasing it or decreasing it, generate some electricity

And  , by doing it, also seems not to submitted to Lenz    perhaps    ???

My 2 cents

http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k (http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k)

laurent

Hi Laurent,

The question of Lenz (though it is not easy) could be figured out from the Lazarev paper,  PDF page 6,  where Foucault current is mentioned: it is eddy current which is induced in the rotating Aluminium plate, just like as Alu disks are used in utility electric power meters.     Quote from page 6:
"The aggregate loss data, via self-induction, represents the total loss in the winding, the iron cores used, and the disk. It then becomes especially necessary to address the question of losses originating in the disk. The role of the disk consists of putting energy into the system. The Foucault currents along the disk’s teeth, which interact with the currents of the coils, causes the teeth to be pushed out from the group of coils. In other words, a tooth “standing” in between coils does not convert energy, and pushing “against” the coils is labile and does convert energy. Hence while the teeth are standing in between the coils, the system possesses an energy minimum, while the in the second position a maxima. When transitioning from the first stance (in between coils) to the second, we expend mechanical energy, and obtain operation E1. And backward, at the next transition, from a labile equilibrium in a non-convertible system would be to return energy E2. The total amount of energy that had been acquired during the system’s transition from the first equilibrium stage to that left by the second stage will be equal to  ΔE = E1 - E2  > 0.   This equation is enacted due to the establishment of a corresponding phase of the position between coil current and a standing disk in space. On the other hand, the disk is a main constituent of the entire vibrating system, and we should not import to it greater current losses, as the requirement of self-excitation (Equation 3 in page 2) otherwise will not be satisfied. In other words, the
relaxation time of the disk should not be less than a certain [specified] quantity."     Unquote


I figure that instead of using Alu disk with teeth, perhaps using flat ferrite rods placed radially onto a non magnetic disk (I mean the flat AM antenna ferrite pieces used in pocket AM radio receivers, often called 'loopstick') so that the alternating gaps and flat ferrite-ends at the outer perimeter of the rotor disk could also change the inductance of the facing coils BUT with a minimal eddy current loss.  I know this is a more expensive solution than the cheap Alu disk but eddy loss is not our friend... At ebay there are such flat ferrite rods and no need for long ferrite pieces, the size is defined by the gap siize (cross section of the facing coil cores)
Using laminated core in the gap may sound also good but one has to consider the direction of the flux hitting the laminations in a normal transformer and in such setups: perhaps the eddy loss increases in such setups

The use of flat ferrite pieces is a suggestion of course, not aimed to do by you or someone else, I just think to avoid or minimize
eddy current losses and actually what is needed for changing periodically the inductance of coils is to cause permeability change, hence L inductance change in the tank coils at a minimal loss level possible. 


For those not yet read the Lazarev paper, here is the link, and choose paper #3 "On Hetero-Parametric Excitation": http://www.nedyn.com/para.html 

Gyula

PS: Laurent, if I noticed it correctly, you left the L meter on the coils when you run the rotor disk? this may influence the induced oscillating level across your tank coils.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 14, 2014, 01:42:11 PM
Quote
Just tried something after Gyula information on the Russian(Lanarev )  paper from 1934 , where a crossing alu plate. decreases the inductance of 2 facing coil.
It's good to know that, maybe it would mean that the energy is stored in the alu plate like a sort of capacitor.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 14, 2014, 01:55:33 PM
The only question is that in these conditions the generator that feeds the input is easier or as easy to turn that than without the alu plate?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 14, 2014, 02:27:51 PM
Yes, but does that sample of engineers and investors include any of the people in WITTS Ministries' overunity independent verifications videos?

Those can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/user/WITTS2014 (http://www.youtube.com/user/WITTS2014)

Regards,

VIDBID
Those video's are a joke and none of those demonstrations could be reproduced live for any visiting engineers, scientists and more importantly investors. Videos are never accepted as evidence. I have seen videos faked that even fooled highly qualified engineers, nothing like a third party validation or live demonstration.
Kind Regards
Mark


PS
why does someone not ask a simple question of Witts or the QEG team, have they got something that can demonstrate overunity????? lol
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 14, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
Hi all

Just tried something after Gyula information on the Russian(Lanarev )  paper from 1934 , where a crossing alu plate. decreases the inductance of 2 facing coil.

And it seems that by variation of inductance, Increasing it or decreasing it, generate some electricity

And  , by doing it, also seems not to submitted to Lenz    perhaps    ???

My 2 cents

http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k (http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k)

laurent

Merci Laurent,

great video demo!

believe it or not, 5 years ago I discovered a coils inductance could be reduce with Aluminum.  I never thought of a practical application ::)

Thanks for your demo

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 14, 2014, 04:31:36 PM
I know how much dificult is to lift an alter of 15 kg to 1 meter in one second with only one hand, so if somebody could produce better more than 15 joules per second with a sort of electric machine with is hand without any dificulty to turn the generator, he won.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced
Post by: gotoluc on April 14, 2014, 05:27:09 PM
gotoluc:

I really appreciate all of your experimental efforts and sharing of your results.  I think many more than you're aware of benefit from the work you openly share.  We learn something from every experiment whether we conduct it ourselves or if it is conducted by someone else who provides the configuration, test protocol and the data needed to replicate the experiment like you do.  You learn whether your results are as you expected or not.  Richard Feynman put it best: The test of all knowledge is experiment.

Your builds are professional and you stand out because you like to confirm things for yourself without letting negative comments deter you from your experimental work.  At times both sides resort to sniping, name calling and sarcasm that is not constructive, it discourages those of us that may have something productive to contribute.  Yet you remain open minded to glean what you can from both sides, bravo!  Kudos to woopy too!  You can't beat hands-on experimental work to learn while enjoying the building experience, but even though both sides have something positive to contribute you do sometimes have to filter out the unproductive background noise.

I'm encouraged by your open and objective approach to post an idea that I had which also makes use of microwave oven transformer cores and would like to know what you think.  I'm attaching a drawing that I made of a QEG Experimental Test Unit to test the effects by utilizing 2 or 3 MOT cores.  I think it would eliminate the flexing problem you're having while bringing it closer to the original QEG toroid design and allows use of bobbins to test with different coil configurations.  One unit design requires three MOT E core pieces of the same size to maintain the same rotor dimensions and other rotor designs would only require two MOTs because one of the left over I core pieces would be used to make two variations of a rotor at the more narrow width of the I core piece.  Some core machining would be required but it may be worth a try.

Also wanted to point out that James Robitaille stated in the recently posted PESN video interview at the 28:00 minute mark that he tested his QEG configuration at the lower frequencies that you're testing at but found that the QEG growled and beat itself up and he didn't think it would last so he stayed away from the low RPMs.  In the QEG Taiwan Update video that was posted today at the 13:00 minute mark James Robitaille states that he is still using a primary LC capacitance of 0.125uF and achieved smooth resonance in Taiwan at a rotor RPM of 1331, he had reported that the first QEG he built back home achieved smooth resonance at 1450 RPM which he considered to be about mid power band and that the QEG will operate on harmonics.

Thanks and as lasersaber well puts it, let's keep experimenting.

Thanks Rfacts for taking the time to write and share your ideas.

It looks to be a good idea. A machine shop service would be needed to cut the circular shapes.  Also, I don't know if you're aware but cutting steel laminations that are already together in a block is not as easy as some may think.  It needs to be held tight in a vice while cutting, if not, the fine metal filling will work their way in between laminations  and your core will look like particle board that got wet.
I would say it would be well worth the investment if we could confirm the effect.
Myself, I have zero income, so I can't do much more then use what I have on hand. My simple test device cost me a $16. part (chain gear) the rest I recycled from things I had.
If someone is willing to pay for the transformers, machining, bearings, shaft, side supports pulleys and belt I'm willing to put my time in for free.

I know about what James Robitaille stated but so far I have not found the correct capacitance to get a powerful resonance effect at a higher frequency. I can't use the uf value he used because my Inductance 12 Henry is lower than his 40 Henry. I'll keep trying and post if I find anything new.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 14, 2014, 05:46:29 PM
Those video's are a joke..

That's why I said the people. Clearly, the people who show their faces in those videos at http://www.witts.ws/verifications/ aren't a joke.

However, I will concede that the following video appears to be a joke IMHO, and granted, that doesn't help WITTS' credibility.

http://youtu.be/vCbZ3CRWx7I (http://youtu.be/vCbZ3CRWx7I)

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 14, 2014, 06:03:07 PM
off topic.  skip if you want technical
Jbignes5:

We are going to make something perfectly clear right now.
MileHigh

you are the one making insults and attacks far above anything jbigness was doing.   

based on your statement above "We are going to make something perfectly clear right now"  it is now obvious what your problem is.   using "WE" is a sure sign of MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER.    It's either that or you just did the Freudian slip to let us know you are part of a group here to suppress all hopeful devices.   I'm not the only one that's observed this behaviour  MileHigh.  mayb time to see a therapist.
Title: Re: Chill Pill
Post by: e2matrix on April 14, 2014, 06:40:19 PM
Hi guys,
can I request we take a chill pill here with the name calling on both sides of the fence. Text arguments lead nowhere. Let's stick to data, theories, experiments.
For my part I've seen no real data from FTW. Why? I have no idea but they have lost me.
The work that Luc, Laurent & Gyula are doing though is fascinating and with data. TK & MH - any chance you blokes can be a little less abrasive? I know it must be bloody frustrating when you see us preschoolers in the field make ridiculous assumptions at times but Gyula, Mags et al are able to point out our flaws with a little less ridicule :)
Guys on the FTW side of the fence any chance you can be a little less effusive & look at how Luc handles himself. It will make this thread a lot easier to read.
Thanks
I tend to agree to an extent and although MH and TK and some others often have valid knowledge to share and seem to want to 'protect' people from wasting money on something they believe is not free energy look at it this way.   If their biggest concern is to save people from losing some money what is the other side of the coin??   

   My biggest concern is that some little different combination of physical setups and/or electronics that has not been tried in just the right way will be missed, lost and forgotten forever because people were swayed to believe it wasn't worth trying.    To assume that everything has been tried already is ridiculous.   There is nearly an infinite combination of designs any one of which could end up breaking the damn holding back free energy.    That is why I believe the people trying to save a few from what they believe is wasting time and money need to see the other side of this and realize what is most important here.    If we simply go by what most engineers believe we won't even be trying to find free energy. 
   
   This is really about SAVING THE ENTIRE WORLD here from planet destroying methods now being used to generate power.   So what if a few people blow their last dollars trying something that didn't work.   If even one of them does work and gets into widespread use than we have saved an entire planet from eventual self destruction. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on April 14, 2014, 07:26:40 PM
"WE" is a sure sign of MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER.   
That was a cheap shot, that has nothing to do with science.
MileHigh was talking on behalf of all scientists and engineers, including myself.

"WE" did not include loose minds like JBignes5 that are driven by emotions instead of experience, logic and analytical thinking.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 14, 2014, 08:46:33 PM
Some pages back I suggested not to bother arguing your views.

It continued just the same!... one even argued my suggestion ???

Pages later of proving your points it has not changed a single thing!!!

Why?....because, you are powerless to change or control others. For every action you take there will be a reaction.
Have you not yet understood this basic principal applies everywhere?  This has always been and will continue to be. You cannot stop it by any actions!.... if you argue in a cave and you hear echo, can you stop it? ... only if you shut up :o

Notice this is a non action but if you were a cave man you could go on for a while before you could come to understand how to stop it.

You can only teach by example. So, if you don't want arguments then don't argue. It's that simple.

How was one single man able to enlighten the British Empire that it would be best for them to leave India?.... by actions, attacks and terrorism?
When you understand and practice the world will transform.

I'll leave it up to you and will accept the path you chose as I know all roads will eventually lead to the same place.

Luc
Title: Re: Chill Pill
Post by: e2matrix on April 14, 2014, 10:58:33 PM
Luc,  I understand what you are saying but did you read my own post I've quoted below?   The biggest problem is when knowledgeable sounding people say it can't work (even though they haven't tried it) others are SWAYED to believe it is not worth trying.   Thus the one person who may have got the right MIX for free energy never tried and it is LOST and FORGOTTEN possibly FOREVER leaving our planet to continue on it's path to eventual self destruction from dirty coal, oil and nuclear power.   I think THAT is worth countering the naysayers.   

I tend to agree to an extent and although MH and TK and some others often have valid knowledge to share and seem to want to 'protect' people from wasting money on something they believe is not free energy look at it this way.   If their biggest concern is to save people from losing some money what is the other side of the coin??   

   My biggest concern is that some little different combination of physical setups and/or electronics that has not been tried in just the right way will be missed, lost and forgotten forever because people were swayed to believe it wasn't worth trying.    To assume that everything has been tried already is ridiculous.   There is nearly an infinite combination of designs any one of which could end up breaking the damn holding back free energy.    That is why I believe the people trying to save a few from what they believe is wasting time and money need to see the other side of this and realize what is most important here.    If we simply go by what most engineers believe we won't even be trying to find free energy. 
   
   This is really about SAVING THE ENTIRE WORLD here from planet destroying methods now being used to generate power.   So what if a few people blow their last dollars trying something that didn't work.   If even one of them does work and gets into widespread use than we have saved an entire planet from eventual self destruction.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 14, 2014, 11:06:19 PM
Just wanted to add since this is a fairly hot topic that we have a full moon (Blood moon even) coming tomorrow night.   Ask any cop who has been around awhile how domestic violence increases during full moons.   I mention this because it seems things are heating up a bit in here so try to keep it civil.   that means you too steeltpu. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 15, 2014, 12:15:31 AM
Gentlemen:

I am not interested in any conflicts.  Based on what I observed from the beginning, I rendered my opinion.  Then the other day I made a long posting that was basically an editorial.  I lamented the fact that no proper measurements were made and that nobody speaks up about things like that.  If you guys don't demand a certain bare minimum of evidence when people present their free energy propositions, then this vicious circle will never stop.  I have said my piece, there is no need to repeat it.  I do not want to be an "issue" on this thread, the issue is the QEG and if it will ever come to fruition.

So I offer to help Luc and Woopy.  I raise the issue of checking for any remnant magnetism in the setup because if there is any remnant magnetism then the setup by definition will be a generator before you even make the first test.  I get beat down for suggesting the test.  Then I suggest using a compass to check for remnant magnetism and I get accused of trying to suggest a fake test that is a setup to fail.  It's not true and I post the proper test.  I use the word "we" and I am accused of having a multiple personality.  I am only human, and I can't know about all of the information about the QEG project.  I mention the 4 kilowatt output test and lack of information about it and I am accused of being a liar.  That crossed a line for me.

This is all ridiculous.  I am not an issue here and I have no desire whatsoever to be an issue.

Now, if in a week or two, somebody posts a video clip and claims over unity and the measurements aren't even done or they are done improperly, I may post that observation.  But it shouldn't only be me, you guys should be saying the same thing.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 15, 2014, 01:20:27 AM
MH,  I think you know this but I'll say it anyway.   The idea behind the QEG is that it will be self running once it is started and flipped over to it's own power without any batteries needed or external power.   So as far as measurements go they won't really be needed once they have a fully working QEG video up it will be obvious there is free energy if it can run itself and even power one light bulb.    The only need for measurement of output would be to let us know how much is available to run external devices. 
    If you are instead referring to the tests some people are doing here to validate the basic concept then yes correct measurements are needed.
    Having seen the latest QEG update video though it seems they have found the resonance point starts producing by far the most output when using higher voltage.  He was talking 500-600 volts or more with the likely greater output power coming at 1000 to 2000 volts.   The output then needs to be stepped down with a transformer or high voltage inverter.   So they have a few new challenges in regards to winding insulation to handle the higher voltages and designing an inverter to step down to the correct voltage and frequency (which he indicated is not hard for an inverter company or engineer to design and something I believe he said he would try doing when he gets time).   
   After seeing that video I sense NO deception at all from the main engineer but rather concern for getting all the challenges resolved as quickly as possible.   Considering the amount of work and effort he is putting into this I find it hard to believe he would even have started this without thoroughly checking out what Witts or Thrapp had to make sure it was indeed a working device.    In the past I had concluded the Witts device built by Thrapp was possibly fake but I do not believe that is the case now. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rfacts on April 15, 2014, 01:23:27 AM
gotoluc:
Thanks for your input on the idea that I posted to test QEG effects, it's good to get technical and fabrication feedback from you and others.  It had not occurred to me that cutting/machining transformer cores will cause them to swell if laminates are not compressed tightly due to the fine metal fillings creeping in between laminations, good thing to know ahead of time to save time and material cost. 

In your recent videos we saw the high voltages that you generated with your MOT test setup and it was reported that high voltage arcing caused winding damage in Taiwan which required rewinding.  The primary winding capacitance is speced for 25kV and James Robitaille reported in the last Taiwan update video that they were now temporarily using a spark plug as a spark gap to protect this windings from arc damage.  He has also concluded that the right way to do it is to vacuum impregnate the windings of the QEG toroid to prevent the arc damage.  I state this because I have a real interest in learning more about this high voltage effect.  I'll PM you about any help I can provide you to conduct further testing.

Others With Technical Interest:
In a recent video James Robitaille states that he tried hundreds of capacitor combinations before he achieved high voltage at high RPM resonance, so no question this effect alone will be a challenge to replicate while testing with different cores, windings and configurations.  I'm interested in reviewing a detailed technical description from someone with good technical knowledge as to how this high voltage is build up and generated with no magnets, no rotor windings, and no external power based on the FTW QEG toroid configuration. 

I understand that residual/low level magnetism could play a role in combination with the primary resonant LC circuit (L=30-40H and C=0.125uF) but could parametric oscillation with the varying inductance parameter be playing a role in achieving 20+kV?  Is the high RPM required to generate short pulses which will abruptly collapse the field?  I'm also puzzled as to how the reported output frequency of ~400Hz is achieved with a single bar rotor and a 4 pole toroid at a rotor RPM of 1330-1450?  Is electrical resonance playing a greater role than mechanical action/resonance? 

No QEG data has been provided that would help explain the high voltage effect at the reported output frequency.  I see no alternative to better understand it than by way of experimental testing - and a good technical description of how the high 20+kV is generated would help us better understand it and the tuning involved thus also help replicate it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MoRo on April 15, 2014, 02:18:40 AM

The QEG is based upon Nikola Tesla's patent #511,916.


Therein, Tesla states:
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I have shown and described a form of engine invented by me, which, under the influence of an applied force such as the elastic tension of steam or a gas under pressure, yields an oscillation of constant period.


A spring or a pendulum, once set into oscillation, requires very little energy input to maintain an isochronous [Equal in duration or interval] oscillation.


Tesla worded it this way in his patent:
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It is a well known mechanical principle that if a spring possessing a sensible inertia be brought under tension, as by being stretched, and then freed, it will perform vibrations which are isochronous, and as to period, in the main, dependent upon the rigidity of the spring, and its own inertia or that of the system of which it may form an immediate part. This is known to be true in all cases where the force which tends to bring the spring or movable system into a given position is proportionate to the displacement.


Joseph Newman stated that his experiments proved to him that:
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Magnetic fields consist of particles which have mechanical characteristics.


I believe the above statement to be incorrect, only that it should be correctly stated in the following way:


Magnetic fields are formed by particles which have mechanical characteristics.


I believe atoms are those particles.


Newman also asserts the following:
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The prior teachings indicate that copper is non-magnetic and that the resulting magnetic field associated with current flow in copper is the result of the current. Those teachings are totally wrong. Copper is extremely magnetic! It is so magnetic that it deceives the observer.


This, I believe to be true. And furthermore, I also believe that it is atom alignment that has to do with any detectable magnetic polarity within a section of wire or core material.


It becomes evident that it is atomic alignment that causes a magnetic field during an applied voltage.
1.) During atomic realignment (from an applied voltage), a moving magnetic field can be detected until the atoms reach their tension point.
2.) If the voltage is slowly removed then the tension on the atoms is also gradually removed and the magnetic field can be seen to gradually collapse.
3.) If the voltage is inverted then one can detect the magnetic field polarity reversal. This means that the atoms are under tension in the opposite direction.


 NOW, HERE IS A KEY INGREDIENT THAT CAN MAKE THE PUZZLE COMPLETE.
4.) If the applied voltage is instantly removed from a coil of wire, then what happens?
 Does the magnetic field merely drop to zero?
or
 Does it oscillate between positive and negative polarities until it drops to zero?


If the latter is true then this means that the atoms and their alignment in a coil of copper wire or in a core ARE like a spring under tension! And, If this is true then merely finding and then resonating the atomic alignment of the spring-like atoms will produce an alternating magnetic field that will in turn produce an AC current.


A piece of steal will attract either pole of a magnet. It is easy to demonstrate how a bar magnet attached to its center-point by a spring can be made to oscillate by cyclically bringing a peace of steel near it each time the poles reverse in a pendulum-like motion.


Can the same be reproduced in a piece of core material with the individual atoms that it is made up of?


Food for thought!


Maybe someone out there can test this out.


MagnaMoRo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 02:40:37 AM
On the QEG from WITTS:

Electrical engineer's verification of WITTS technology:

http://youtu.be/MFrsn--7hxc

Jerry Thomas (JT)
EE Cal Poly
San Luis Obispo
California

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 15, 2014, 02:58:48 AM
Gentlemen:
I raise the issue of checking for any remnant magnetism in the setup because if there is any remnant magnetism then the setup by definition will be a generator before you even make the first test. 

MileHigh

So MileHigh,

are you thinking the QEG puts out power without any magnetisum?
I don't think it's the case, not from my tests device anyways.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 15, 2014, 03:52:46 AM
E2matrix:

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So as far as measurements go they won't really be needed once they have a fully working QEG video up it will be obvious there is free energy if it can run itself and even power one light bulb.    The only need for measurement of output would be to let us know how much is available to run external devices.

No, that is not true at all.  Nobody working on a bench would do that.  The very first thing they would want to do would be to measure the output.  All that they would have to do is step down the voltage and configure the right load resistor bank or use light bulbs.  Nothing should be taken for granted and there is no way in hell that the builder would not want to measure the output.  The problem is there is no documentation that I am aware of about a build and related measurements.

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He was talking 500-600 volts or more with the likely greater output power coming at 1000 to 2000 volts.

Just seeing a voltage waveform on your scope means nothing, and I assume that you are aware of that.  Have you ever been on a stage and stood near a 1000-watt incandescent light bulb?  You feel that power on your skin, it's actually intimidating.  10,000 watts is like a furnace.

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So they have a few new challenges in regards to winding insulation

The business about winding insulation is highly questionable and raises more doubts.   It's a toroidal core and if you wind progressively across the core there will be no issue about insulation breakdown because the potential difference between adjacent turns will not be that high.  On the other hand, if you don't know what you are doing and wind back and forth, layer on top of layer, then the potential difference between turns in close proximity could be very high and cause problems.  But if you were expecting high voltage from the coil and you knew what you were doing you would not make that mistake.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 15, 2014, 03:57:52 AM
Vidbid:

Here is the same engineer Jerry Thomas endorsing a "gravity motor."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45pafuCuIRY

For many people on this forum and elsewhere, that's like the kiss of death for this guy's credibility.  There is no such thing as gravity motors.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 04:26:37 AM
Gravity generator. Not my area of interest. However, Mark Dansie shot a video of the ZED aka Zydro Energy Device which is a gravity generator of sorts. However, the energy output is extremely low as compared to what the QEG is reported to output.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKWpR0seK0A

It depends on the gravity generator JT is talking about. If he is talking about the ZED or something like it, then I don't necessarily believe that it would lessen his credibility.

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 15, 2014, 04:28:40 AM
Luc:

Quote
are you thinking the QEG puts out power without any magnetisum?
I don't think it's the case, not from my tests device anyways.

Isn't the premise for this alleged system that there are no magnets on the spinning rotor and some metal arms of the rotor pass by some coils that can be brought into resonance?

I suspect that a small amount of residual magnetism, no matter how small, will start off by inducing current to flow in the LC tank circuit.  Then the presence of current flow will facilitate the passing rotor inducing even more current to flow.  In other words the current flow allows the system to bootstrap itself.  At resonance then the voltage amplitude can indeed get very high.  This is just a theory.

One possibility is that at resonance when driving a light bulb load to high brightness (like we see in a clip), the rotor and the coils in resonance are acting like a crude inefficient transformer.  It's the motor that is supplying the mechanical energy that couples into the resonant LC tank circuit that drives the load.  It's just a mechanical-to-electrical transformer when you forget about the resonance.

It's possible when the resonance hits the electric motor gets significant back-torque from the resonant coils when the driving of the load kicks in.  It's almost like a car's manual transmission where the clutch is engaged and there is no power transfer.  The spining rotor is just "slipping" by the coils.  Then resonance hits, the voltage goes up, the light bulbs light up, and the clutch disengages and the rotor is not "slipping" by the coils anymore, the clutch is engaged.

What's the first thing I would do to start the investigation into this theory?  I would put a clamp-on ammeter on one of the wires of the electric motor and check the current draw before and after resonance hits and the light bulbs light up.  If you see the current draw take a jump up, that would tend to indicate the "electromagnetic clutch" theory.

There is a possibility that the electric motor they are using is big and beefy.  So between the motor and rotor's huge amount of stored rotational inertia, and the fact that if you ask the motor to put out torque it can do so without flinching - that can all add up to seeing resonance hit, the light bulbs light up, and the motor barely even flinching - it will sound exactly the same before and after resonance hits.

Now, in all the available QEG information out there right now, is there any discussion of making clamp-on measurements of the drive motor current consumption?   If there isn't any discussion or measurements, notice this has been open sourced for about a month now.   In my way of thinking you would have to be "insane" to not have measured the DRIVE MOTOR power consumption before and after resonance hits.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 15, 2014, 05:05:58 AM
Rfacts:

Quote
In a recent video James Robitaille states that he tried hundreds of capacitor combinations before he achieved high voltage at high RPM resonance

Can you provide a link to that clip?  If it's a very long clip can you indicate what time in the clip he states that?  It's an unusual statement so I would like to listen to it for myself.

Thanks,

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 15, 2014, 05:46:55 AM
Luc:

Isn't the premise for this alleged system that there are no magnets on the spinning rotor and some metal arms of the rotor pass by some coils that can be brought into resonance?

Yes, and it does that but once it starts to resonate and current starts building in the coils do you still think there is no magnetism in the cores?

I suspect that a small amount of residual magnetism, no matter how small, will start off by inducing current to flow in the LC tank circuit.  Then the presence of current flow will facilitate the passing rotor inducing even more current to flow.  In other words the current flow allows the system to bootstrap itself.  At resonance then the voltage amplitude can indeed get very high.  This is just a theory.

Good theory! it happens to coincide with what I think and part of what is going on in my test device. However, in mine, as current builds up so does the power requirement to my prime mover, to the point it will stop the rotor if the demand is too high as I limited the voltage an current the VFD is delivering. The 2hp motor I'm using is a 3 phase 600v and I set my VFD to deliver 200 volts at 1 amp max.

One possibility is that at resonance when driving a light bulb load to high brightness (like we see in a clip), the rotor and the coils in resonance are acting like a crude inefficient transformer.  It's the motor that is supplying the mechanical energy that couples into the resonant LC tank circuit that drives the load.  It's just a mechanical-to-electrical transformer when you forget about the resonance.

Could be,  and if that's the case I guess it's a rotary transformer.
We need a real live test with power measurements of input and output

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: cheappower2012 on April 15, 2014, 06:18:18 AM
Good theory Milehigh,remember the earth has a magnetic field ,weak but causes effects,this may or may not be a factor its just a thought.There is nothing to this device its hot air however the hype and spin is interesting.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 06:19:37 AM
Rfacts:

Can you provide a link to that clip?  If it's a very long clip can you indicate what time in the clip he states that?  It's an unusual statement so I would like to listen to it for myself.

Thanks,

MileHigh


http://youtu.be/2nTgfrjnZEY

If you scan through it long enough, you might find it.

 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 15, 2014, 07:13:04 AM
Those who've never been in the near vicinity of any
of these mysterious devices do indeed have a very
difficult time accepting that they may in fact be
possible.

They do exist and have been utilized by certain select
programs/agencies for a considerable time - several
decades.

What is essential to understand with respect to the
QEG is the difference between the resonance frequency
and the power output frequency.  The rotor achieves
four magnetic reversals across the output coils for each
revolution.  It would be very helpful to see a dual trace
oscilloscope display of both the resonant waveform and
the output waveform to make frequency and phase
measurements.

With the QEG even the slightest tiny bit of residual
magnetism is all that is necessary to begin the excitation
of the resonant components which will very quickly build
up to large magnitude oscillations at the proper rotational
frequency.  The resultant magnetic field is incredibly strong
at resonance and it should not saturate the material which
comprises the magnetic circuit or path.

Parametric amplification?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on April 15, 2014, 09:29:34 AM
4.) If the applied voltage is instantly removed from a coil of wire, then what happens?
 Does the magnetic field merely drop to zero?
or
 Does it oscillate between positive and negative polarities until it drops to zero?
Neither.
This scenario represents an RL circuit.  In such circuit, the magnetic flux generated by the coil gradually decreases to zero (or never decreases if the coil is superconducting).
Oscillations occur only when this coil is combined with a capacitance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rfacts on April 15, 2014, 11:21:04 AM
MileHigh:
I've watched all of the videos that I found related to the QEG and think the capacitor comment I was referring to was made in the video that vidbid posted above or the recent PESN QED interview video.  I spot checked these two videos where I thought the comment was made but did not find it, these 2 videos alone are about 2 1/2 hours long, I'll let you know if I come across it again.  I should have been more clear about the context in which that comment was stated.  From what I recall the comment about trying so many capacitor combinations was due to the limited number of film capacitor values at the 2000V rating, the series parallel combinations that were used, testing at different resonance frequencies to find the optimum output power and attempting to run at 50 and 60Hz to avoid having to use an output inverter.  Some transcribed Q&A sessions with James Robitaille were posted on the FTW QED Forum web site, this is a question and answer that refers to the QEG as a variable frequency generator:

Q: What is responsible for that freq? Differently asked: what should/could be changed in the design if we want to change that freq?
A: Briefly, there are 2 main components in setting the frequency: the electrical resonance and the mechanical resonance. This is actually a variable frequency generator so changing capacitor value changes electrical resonant frequency and rpm where resonance is reached.

Question for you.  Is a film capacitor typically required for this type of application, if so why?  It has been stated that the QEG primary and secondary are operating at 400Hz and that the primary capacitance needs to withstand 24kV, so in final circuit 12 capacitors rated at 2kV each are connected in series.  In the FTW QEG User Manual the capacitance value in the schematic is listed as 1.5uF 2kV each for a total of 0.125uF but listed in the parts list and description in the same manual as 2.5uF 2kV for total capacitance of 0.208uF.  I'm primarily asking in reference to replicating the QEG high voltage effect because 1nF and 10nF 30kV ceramic capacitors that can be connected in parallel and series combination for the same total capacitance and higher voltage rating can be found on eBay for a much lower cost.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 15, 2014, 12:14:27 PM



 “ It’s not up to us to prove the technology works, we gave it away, open sourced it, and it’s up to the engineers and the people to make it work.” HopeGirl


I rest my case. For those of you who are spending a lot of money and time on this replication, please bear in mind the plans given to you for free do not work as claimed. I wish you all the best.


Kind Regards
Mark Dansie
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wattsup on April 15, 2014, 02:55:12 PM
@woopy

Saw your youtube. Good experiment. Maybe try rotating your disk so it only cuts one end of the u cores and not both. I think you are just creating cancellation and that's why you see no difference on the feed specs.

Also, maybe consider trying this. With the C cores facing each other, put one or more magnets in between one end where both will meet and hold together to produce a O shape with a slit open for the rotor to turn between. hehehe That would be a good trial just to push more out-of-the-box.

@gotoluc

I left you a post at OUR, Maybe take a read and let me know.

Listen, this QEG is doing what? Producing volts. Just use a Tesla coil and it will do the same thing.

Basically if this QEG requires anything that will rotate, what do you think will be the outcome. Moving a piece of iron to produce an electromagnet, and then we all wonder why it seizes.

My gut tells me this is a group of people that embarked on a build, went a little overboard on costs, did not get the results and now they are trying to recoup as much as they can by convincing others to chime in with some money to get "starter plans" of something that does not work. Chime in on what?

I was in a Quebec group of motor/generator/gearing guys and we spent 250K to find out certain methods won't work. hahaha. We did not afterwards go public to offer to sell the tech slating it as "for further development".

My own hint when planning to make big builds, first establish a small R&D business. I have three companies, two that are in my specialty of water treatment and the third I use only for R&D. All my R&D expenses go into that company and the capital just grows and grows. If I close the company tomorrow, I can get 50% of the capital as personal tax credit. If I use the company to make a big profit on something (it has to be big), then after paying a corporate tax of 20% I can then take all the capital I put in right back into my pocket non-taxable. One day, if I ever decide to actually pay myself a salary for R&D, the Canadian Government will pay me back 50% of that. hahaha

The QEG will work miracles when one day, we find a way to make that piece of iron approach the MOT then disappear. But that is not possible in the foreseeable future. The only other way I can think of is explained at OUR.

The solution I am proposing to you at OUR is to try and push the idea into a more realistic and especially a more out-of-the-box approach. Imagine a huge core having a coil of 20-40 Henries or so, just moving the plate in and out not even at a very fast speed should produce some good output that could be capped and then really be usable. Is it OU, don't know but it has a much better shot at working then turning a wheel.

But as soon as you start playing the rotation game, you are stuck with the progressive rise, peak, progressive fall and during all that time, you are setting up the electromagnetic demise because the approaching iron generates the jail it then gets caught in.

The other main problem with your testing versus QEG is leverage. Since your I core is at the outside of a rotating system, a drag of 1 between the I and E core will be transfered to the motor as a drag of 10 (as an example). So just a slight seizing at the outer end of the rotation will produce great drag force on the motor. That's leverage and the way it is set-up, it is working against you.

The QEG on the other hand has the rotor plates close to the shaft so the reverse leverage from drag will still be felt but not as much as your system. It will however suffer from lower rotor plate speed across the stator plates. This is because at a fixed RPM, a large diameter wheel will provide more end speed then a smaller diameter wheel. So the QEG only had one more option, increase rotation speed, but as you increase rotation speed, if you do not increase the applied horsepower as well, you now will have much less torque. So this game has been played and played and played for so many years and people forget to consider all the chips on the table before placing a bet. They think they are doing something new, spend the bucks, then cry to mommy when it all goes south.

But whatever you do man, I am always loving every minute of it because I appreciate your genuine effort to help the world, like many of us here. Pure intent is what you exude when you are authentic. And, it does not hurt to have friends that check your back. hahaha

The pick up coil wants to see change. Change occurs when the iron plate approaches and it also occurs when it backs away. The small instant of no movement is what I would be interested in that you cannot produce when rotating. hehehe

wattsup
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 15, 2014, 03:15:03 PM
@ seamonkey
"Those who've never been in the near vicinity of any
of these mysterious devices do indeed have a very
difficult time accepting that they may in fact be
possible."


Having spend nearly 10 years and taking up to 40 plus flights a year assessing these devices and claims, I actually tend to think it is less likely as time goes on. My journey has taken me to over 60 locations around the world and the testing, investigating of over 100 devices. Several associates and friends have done  as much if not more as I, and reached the same conclusion.


could you please share how many device you have been up close to to form your opinion????


Kind Regards
Mark


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 03:25:19 PM

“ It’s not up to us to prove the technology works, we gave it away, open sourced it, and it’s up to the engineers and the people to make it work.” HopeGirl

I rest my case. For those of you who are spending a lot of money and time on this replication, please bear in mind the plans given to you for free do not work as claimed. I wish you all the best.

Kind Regards
Mark Dansie


Through your statement is technically true, I would say that in view of the report of how the plans were hurriedly rushed out, those plans are preliminary at best. It's obvious that the omission of the rectifier in the plans was an oversight, easily accounted for.

From my investigation of James' dealings with WITTS in obtaining the information that he was able to obtain about the WITTS' QEG, it's not like like WITTS made an absolute and comprehensive full disclosure to him. As far as I can tell, James is doing the best he can in releasing what had hitherto been concealed from the general public, and for that, he has my appreciation.

The recent statements by James that the QEG is a high voltage generator is something that is amazing to me, and I'm grateful to him for letting me know that, and I hope he will continue to discover new things about the QEG and share them with us.

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 15, 2014, 03:40:26 PM
VIDBID, do you think it's ethical for someone to promote a project and solicit and collect funds for it, over a hundred thousand dollars already that we know about, based on false claims of already having a prototype that produces overunity performance? When there is absolutely no evidence that the design actually works as claimed? And even the claimants now are finding that they cannot produce the performance advertised?

Notice that this is a different question than "does it, or can it, work". 


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 15, 2014, 03:47:08 PM
Through your statement is technically true, I would say that in view of the report of how the plans were hurriedly rushed out, those plans are preliminary at best. It's obvious that the omission of the rectifier in the plans was an oversight, easily accounted for.

From my investigation of James' dealings with WITTS in obtaining the information that he was able to obtain about the WITTS' QEG, it's not like like WITTS made an absolute and comprehensive full disclosure to him. As far as I can tell, James is doing the best he can in releasing what had hitherto been concealed from the general public, and for that, he has my appreciation.

The recent statements by James that the QEG is a high voltage generator is something that is amazing to me, and I'm grateful to him for letting me know that, and I hope he will continue to discover new things about the QEG and share them with us.

Regards,

VIDBID

There are two problems
1. The WITTS device never worked as claimed. I an many others I know who have visited him have never seen a convincing demonstration of the technology in the. last 10 years So there lies the real problem.
2. They claimed they had a working generator publicly many times. This is not the case.
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 04:05:23 PM
There are two problems
1. The WITTS device never worked as claimed. I an many others I know who have visited him have never seen a convincing demonstration of the technology in the. last 10 years So there lies the real problem.
2. They claimed they had a working generator publicly many times. This is not the case.
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie

1. How are you defining the term "worked" and according to who's claim? I don't know what you or the unnamed individuals to whom you refer would consider a convincing demonstration.

2. What are your criteria for a working demonstration of what you are referring to?

3. What exactly are you referring to?

4. I also believe understanding what you mean depends on how you are defining the term "working".

5. Who exactly are "they" that you are referring to?

Regards,

VIDBID 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 04:08:18 PM
VIDBID, do you think it's ethical for someone to promote a project and solicit and collect funds for it, over a hundred thousand dollars already that we know about, based on false claims of already having a prototype that produces overunity performance? When there is absolutely no evidence that the design actually works as claimed? And even the claimants now are finding that they cannot produce the performance advertised?

Notice that this is a different question than "does it, or can it, work".

Do you think it is ethical to criticize people for not allowing comments on their videos?

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 15, 2014, 04:15:19 PM
1. How are you defining the term "worked" and according to who's claim? I don't know what you or the unnamed individuals to whom you refer would consider a convincing demonstration.


The unnamed are under NDA with Witts (so will remain so). Worked means produced more output energy than input energy (direct or stored)

2. What are your criteria for a working demonstration of what you are referring to?


Measuring more output energy than input energy (simple)

3. What exactly are you referring to?


You measure the volts and amps in and measure either the mechanical or electrical energy out

4. I also believe understanding what you mean depends on how you are defining the term "working".


Working means as claimed...more energy out than in

5. Who exactly are "they" that you are referring to?


Scientist, engineers, investors and representatives for the investors

Regards,

VIDBID


So have you tested or viewed a WITTS device first hand "
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 04:16:15 PM
I believe that James indicates that the exciter resonates when 600v is in series with it.

http://youtu.be/2nTgfrjnZEY?t=5m53s

Is that what he is saying?

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 04:19:54 PM

So have you tested or viewed a WITTS device first hand "
Kind Regards
Mark

Did you operate and disassemble the WITTS QEG to see how it worked?

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 15, 2014, 05:12:03 PM
Did you operate and disassemble the WITTS QEG to see how it worked?

Regards,

VIDBID


That was never allowed for good reason......I think you can figure out why lol.
I have been involved in many other failed devices that were pulled apart.
The onus is not on me to prove it worked or did not work, but those making the claims. Without supporting data, evidence or otherwise then their is no supported claim. We have already seen the QED go form a Free Energy device that was claimed to be operational to something that has fallen well short of providing any excess energy. It is fine to have development projects, but call them that from the start.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 05:26:42 PM
I believe that somebody asked about QEG caps: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/qeg-parts-tools/113-qeg-capacitors

In some of my research, I have found some interesting material.

I don't know if I'm reading this article by Sterling Allan correctly but it seems to me from what I read (and I could be wrong about that) that Mr. Dansie doesn't believe that motor-generators are capable of overunity, that, essentially, they are all bogus? Please correct me if I am wrong about that.

http://freeenergynews.com/SmartScarecrow/2013/12/12/

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Congress:Former_Member:Mark_Anthony_Dansie

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 05:46:16 PM
It is fine to have development projects, but call them that from the start.
Kind Regards
Mark

That sounds reasonable enough to me for any type of business.

The beauty for me is I don't know. I don't know if the QEG works, but then again, I don't know that it doesn't work.

If it doesn't work, then what have I lost? Some time and effort. Do I intend to part with my money? Not at this time. However, I am willing to look at this technology with an open mind.

One thing is certain: The genie is out of the bottle, and it isn't going back in.

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 15, 2014, 05:51:31 PM
@gotoluc

I left you a post at OUR, Maybe take a read and let me know.

Listen, this QEG is doing what? Producing volts. Just use a Tesla coil and it will do the same thing.

Basically if this QEG requires anything that will rotate, what do you think will be the outcome. Moving a piece of iron to produce an electromagnet, and then we all wonder why it seizes.

My gut tells me this is a group of people that embarked on a build, went a little overboard on costs, did not get the results and now they are trying to recoup as much as they can by convincing others to chime in with some money to get "starter plans" of something that does not work. Chime in on what?

I was in a Quebec group of motor/generator/gearing guys and we spent 250K to find out certain methods won't work. hahaha. We did not afterwards go public to offer to sell the tech slating it as "for further development".

My own hint when planning to make big builds, first establish a small R&D business. I have three companies, two that are in my specialty of water treatment and the third I use only for R&D. All my R&D expenses go into that company and the capital just grows and grows. If I close the company tomorrow, I can get 50% of the capital as personal tax credit. If I use the company to make a big profit on something (it has to be big), then after paying a corporate tax of 20% I can then take all the capital I put in right back into my pocket non-taxable. One day, if I ever decide to actually pay myself a salary for R&D, the Canadian Government will pay me back 50% of that. hahaha

The QEG will work miracles when one day, we find a way to make that piece of iron approach the MOT then disappear. But that is not possible in the foreseeable future. The only other way I can think of is explained at OUR.

The solution I am proposing to you at OUR is to try and push the idea into a more realistic and especially a more out-of-the-box approach. Imagine a huge core having a coil of 20-40 Henries or so, just moving the plate in and out not even at a very fast speed should produce some good output that could be capped and then really be usable. Is it OU, don't know but it has a much better shot at working then turning a wheel.

But as soon as you start playing the rotation game, you are stuck with the progressive rise, peak, progressive fall and during all that time, you are setting up the electromagnetic demise because the approaching iron generates the jail it then gets caught in.

The other main problem with your testing versus QEG is leverage. Since your I core is at the outside of a rotating system, a drag of 1 between the I and E core will be transfered to the motor as a drag of 10 (as an example). So just a slight seizing at the outer end of the rotation will produce great drag force on the motor. That's leverage and the way it is set-up, it is working against you.

The QEG on the other hand has the rotor plates close to the shaft so the reverse leverage from drag will still be felt but not as much as your system. It will however suffer from lower rotor plate speed across the stator plates. This is because at a fixed RPM, a large diameter wheel will provide more end speed then a smaller diameter wheel. So the QEG only had one more option, increase rotation speed, but as you increase rotation speed, if you do not increase the applied horsepower as well, you now will have much less torque. So this game has been played and played and played for so many years and people forget to consider all the chips on the table before placing a bet. They think they are doing something new, spend the bucks, then cry to mommy when it all goes south.

But whatever you do man, I am always loving every minute of it because I appreciate your genuine effort to help the world, like many of us here. Pure intent is what you exude when you are authentic. And, it does not hurt to have friends that check your back. hahaha

The pick up coil wants to see change. Change occurs when the iron plate approaches and it also occurs when it backs away. The small instant of no movement is what I would be interested in that you cannot produce when rotating. hehehe

wattsup

Thanks wattsup for taking the time to write such a long post.

For some reason I never get email notification of a replied at OUR?

I agree with what you say but since there was a super high value Inductance connected to a capacitor it really got my attention because of my work and experiments on the effects of phase shift.

For the past two days I've been testing a design of my own of a solid state version. I see a little OU but it's small, at most 1 watt, so it could be scope math power calculation error. I'll try to boost it (if I can) to try to eliminate possible error.

I'll look at OUR for your post

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 15, 2014, 05:57:30 PM
I believe that somebody asked about QEG caps: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/qeg-parts-tools/113-qeg-capacitors (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/qeg-parts-tools/113-qeg-capacitors)

In some of my research, I have found some interesting material.

I don't know if I'm reading this article by Sterling Allan correctly but it seems to me from what I read (and I could be wrong about that) that Mr. Dansie doesn't believe that motor-generators are capable of overunity, that, essentially, they are all bogus? Please correct me if I am wrong about that.

http://freeenergynews.com/SmartScarecrow/2013/12/12/ (http://freeenergynews.com/SmartScarecrow/2013/12/12/)

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Congress:Former_Member:Mark_Anthony_Dansie (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Congress:Former_Member:Mark_Anthony_Dansie)

Regards,

VIDBID


I have seen none to date that work, however I am happy to keep my mind open. There are some other interesting anomalies and approaches I have been made aware of that may make the process possible, but not in the form of a magnetic motor generator.
Sterling has an excellent site that has documented hundreds of failed magnetic motors and sell looped gensets over the last decade. Some even ended up in jail.
I personally do not give much credibility to anything Sterling says, especially the numerology nonsense. He does provide a valuable service.
Kind Regards
Mark
PS you can read my articles at Revolution_Green.com
Kind Regards as always


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on April 15, 2014, 07:00:43 PM
Hi Luc and Laurent,

Thank you for those tests. While I'm not really following the QEG I find the change in inductance and the self excitation from it's change through a capacitor fascinating. Luc's test with the oscillation slowly building up reminds me of a flux compression generator. Instead of placing a seed voltage on the coils it is built up internally.

I finally got in the lab and did a very simple test with an electromagnet to see how bringing different material near the coil would change the inductance. Attached is a pdf of the results.

Using the preliminary results it might be possible to make sectors or squirrel cage type design of alternating aluminum and galvanized steel wire (electric fence wire) to pass in front of the inductor to induce parametric change.

A solid state version might be possible by just shorting out a coil. I haven't tried this but an idea is to take a galvanized steel core and wrap a coil (maybe aluminum wire?) around it, then short and un-short with a switch. Would have to do more tests to see how shorting a coil wrapped around the material would effect the inductance. The efficiency is still the question though.

Here are some patents for reference.

4200831 - Compensated pulsed alternator

https://www.google.com/patents/US4200831

4266180 - Method of and means for high performance direct current electrical pulse generation utilizing mechanical energy storage

https://www.google.com/patents/US4266180

4431960 - Current Amplifying Apparatus

https://www.google.com/patents/US4431960

4935708 - High energy pulse forming generator

https://www.google.com/patents/US4935708


Keep experimenting. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wattsup on April 15, 2014, 07:06:55 PM
@gotoluc

I understand completely. You know I am on your side man. I just hate wasting time. Our dearest friend @otto that just passed away in a blink of an eye left many things undone. His departure just kicked me into hyperdrive knowing that at my age (56) even in good enough shape, I can kick the bucket anytime. So who wants to waste any more time. Not me.

About your 1 watt OU testing, watch out for your scope probe ground. It will introduce so much crap into the circuits. Always have a habit of disconnecting the probe ground once in a while to verify if it is the cause of the effect. Because of that problem I always use my scope without the ground. I have learned how to interpret the waveform as being a pointal indication and not a referenced indication because the ground just screws things up especially when you are working on a floating ground system that had no ground of its own going to the mains. Tried explaining that at OUR but I guess I failed. hehehe Can't win them all.

Because you are such a great guy, I have been muddling an idea so I will put it here. It is not QEG related but much better and I personally think it has 1000 times more potential and should be very easy to do, and if it is promising, it can be replicated by anyone in the world.

So here goes nothing...hahaha.

A while back someone on the Energy Amplification thread asked me for new ideas. I did not forget so I'll put this one here. hahaha

OK, the best spinning sphere magnet I have ever seen was on youtube, a guy showing a sphere magnet rotating inside a Rodin coil. That magnet was turning so damn fast. So this proves to us that a Rodin coil produces a great rotating impulse matrix inside the donut hole.

You get that, right. Such great news indeed.

OK, now, the best low cost generator I know is a simple new or used car alternator. Funny that when you take it apart, you end up with this great donut shaped stator coil with three stout wire pairs leaving it.

The funniest thing is the stator looks just like a Rodin coil former (donut) and funny again that all that alternator stator wants is to see is a nice rotating field inside of its hole. hint hint

Due to lack of time, I will not be tackling this idea that has been bundling in the back of my mind for months now, so if anyone wants to tackle it and has some good Rodin winding techniques, because it does demand some discipline in the winding method (see youtube tutorials) and in the pulsing method sweeping for the sweet spot please do so because I think this type of "Spin Conveyance" may be a prime potential method when fine tuned as a low tech OU solution. Imagine an alternator with zero drag.

Why Rodin and a car Alternator?. Both techniques are proven performers so why not meld them into a Rodin Rotorless Alternator or maybe call it a "Rodinator". Maybe if JL Naudin reads this thread and needs a new challenge. hint hint

Why use the alternator stator? Because that part of the build technique is extremely difficult to get right the first time (say impossible) and these ready made stators enjoy millions in R&D and an already solid track record of performance. The winding angles, the armature, the known output all favor the rotating source field and not your regular axial core coupling. Maybe tape up the stator first so the Rodin coil wire does not get shorted on the armature. Or, find a good donut former that will fit the stator and hug the inside wall of the stator and wind the Rodin over that former.

Advanced Rodinators:

1) Maybe eventually add a center axial rotor magnet not too close to the armature so it can just float along pushing the effect with the Rodin providing the lead.  Could be an internal rotor magnet that does the switching that energizes the Rodin coils. Many ways indeed.

2) We may eventually discover that a virtual impress on the alternator armature has to ramp up slowly otherwise the armature may tend to seize or freeze the effect before it can overcome internal cancellations. Like requiring a minimum rpm to push output.

This means maybe a two layer Rodin. You start with one pulsing as a ramp up and when it gets to its maximum the second layer starts pulsing with the first then even a third layer after that one or as many as the design can handle. That stator is known to output 12 volts at 100 amps. Not a bad goal.

Even guys doing Jule Thief works, find a small motor stator, wind a small Rodin coil over it and pulse it. Play the hell out of it to find out what secrets can be discovered. Or take a naked toroid and wind a 2 or more wires Rodin coil style. Pulse one and tank the other(s). That's a new way to think of winding the toroid coils. It's like the Rodin and the Toroid were made for each other, both having the ability to engage in a virtual rotational loop.

Don't know if you heard it here first or not. Don't care. What matters is.... can it be done. All I know is I have not seen this anywhere so maybe this can be a more utilized out of the box approach and another part of the OU puzzle. This is however the type of approach I call realistic. You know where you stand from the start and not based on anything else but your own minds ability to reason out the build in your mind, work out all the bugs that you can in your head before starting a build. It is all pure creative logic in action but always keeping a realistic and open mind.

Everything around us is just yelling out "Please please love me for what I am and see in me the potential of what I can become."

wattsup
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 15, 2014, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: MarkDansie
For those of you who are spending a lot of money and time on this replication, please bear in mind the plans given to you for free do not work as claimed. I wish you all the best.

Of course, all are eager to begin experimentation
with this device and concept but only those who
are able financially and have adequate technical
resources to conduct meaningful research and
development should be engaged at the present time.

Until there is a solid understanding of how the device
actually works and all of its operational parameters
the prospects for success will be greatly limited.

Quote from: MarkDansie
Having spend nearly 10 years and taking up to 40 plus flights a year assessing these devices and claims, I actually tend to think it is less likely as time goes on. My journey has taken me to [color=#0081BD !important][/color] locations around the world and the testing, investigating of over 100 devices. Several associates and friends have done  as much if not more as I, and reached the same conclusion.


could you please share how many device you have been up close to to form your opinion?(http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/huh.gif)

Then you must have come to realize that you're
looking in the wrong places;  you've been following
false claims and perhaps disinfo operatives.

Unfortunately, the vast majority are not yet privy to
look in the right places.  You've perhaps heard that
there are "black ops" programs (mostly military) which
are decades or even a century or more advanced than
the technologies which are available for public
consumption.  It is true.

While I cannot provide specifics to satisfy your curiosity
I can only assure all that the technologies exist as highly
classified and tightly controlled programs.

How quickly they are revealed to the people and made
available for general use is dependent upon how rapidly
world conditions deteriorate as the warring factions
prepare for the next large scale conflict.

The technologies are presently the possession of a small
group of "elites" who are reserving them for their own
uses.

Until then we can only continue as we've been doing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 10:41:36 PM
SeaMonkey,

Those are interesting quotes by MarkDansie that you have there, but I was unable to locate them with a search engine.

Where did you find them?

Could I have a link?

Regards,

VIDBID


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 15, 2014, 10:41:49 PM
Of course, all are eager to begin experimentation
with this device and concept but only those who
are able financially and have adequate technical
resources to conduct meaningful research and
development should be engaged at the present time.

Until there is a solid understanding of how the device
actually works and all of its operational parameters
the prospects for success will be greatly limited.

Then you must have come to realize that you're
looking in the wrong places;  you've been following
false claims and perhaps disinfo operatives.

Unfortunately, the vast majority are not yet privy to
look in the right places.  You've perhaps heard that
there are "black ops" programs (mostly military) which
are decades or even a century or more advanced than
the technologies which are available for public
consumption.  It is true.

While I cannot provide specifics to satisfy your curiosity
I can only assure all that the technologies exist as highly
classified and tightly controlled programs.

How quickly they are revealed to the people and made
available for general use is dependent upon how rapidly
world conditions deteriorate as the warring factions
prepare for the next large scale conflict.

The technologies are presently the possession of a small
group of "elites" who are reserving them for their own
uses.

Until then we can only continue as we've been doing.
The fact that Hope Girl and team don't have one going should send up a lot of caution flags. I always find it curious when people talk of suppressed free energy schemes that they know about.  If someone knows about them and talks about them in public then they haven't been suppressed very well, and there shouldn't be any technical reason keeping one from replicating the supposed working technologies.  As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones.  If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 11:13:10 PM
The fact that Hope Girl and team don't have one going should send up a lot of caution flags.

From the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE , they have something going, but we need to look at the data, but unless I'm mistaken, there was talk of a 10 kW output.

I always find it curious when people talk of suppressed free energy schemes that they know about.

Why is that? I mean somebody has to know about them, right?

If someone knows about them and talks about them in public then they haven't been suppressed very well

Well, human beings are traffickers of information, and what is supposed to be secret is bound to get out sometime, isn't it?

and there shouldn't be any technical reason keeping one from replicating the supposed working technologies.

I doubt there are many people who could actually build a QEG in their basement, and the building of a QEG does require some advanced technical skills, doesn't it?

As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones.

I don't know if that analogy is applicable in this particular case.

If the military was using a type of free energy technology, wouldn't that be classified?

How would you know that it even existed?

If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?

How do you know that they're not? I mean they could be using them in secret, right?

I mean their use in the military would be classified, wouldn't it?

Regards,

VIDBID

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 15, 2014, 11:41:36 PM
The fact that Hope Girl and team don't have one going should send up a lot of caution flags. I always find it curious when people talk of suppressed free energy schemes that they know about.  If someone knows about them and talks about them in public then they haven't been suppressed very well, and there shouldn't be any technical reason keeping one from replicating the supposed working technologies.  As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones.  If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?


 Well I can only tell you what they have presented in the videos so far.


 The prototype was said to put out 9,000 Watts peak, 4,000 watts nominally stable. But there was a problem with the secondaries shorting out at those higher outputs. So they did have a prototype and the video's show that. He was in his garage or workshop in that one.


 At Taipei They had a new core built and wound. In the process of that build they, The original builder and the Manufacturer, found out that they could layer the coils to extend the break down point and increase the stability of the coils. They need to be rewound. But even though they couldn't take the device into a higher output because of the shorts they found out that any additional speed in the motor driver caused a huge swing in the output VOLTAGE without loosing any current. This is where they were having the problem of the secondaries shorting out again. Without the new winding technique they couldn't go higher. This is a discovery period. They did have a prototype and they went on the limited success of the prototype to further interest in this device and secure funds to take it to the next level.


 As for suppressed Technologies we all know the thousands of patents that are confiscated each year under the guise of national security. How about the Coleman device.. Thats one... For sure. Those are suppressions even though some are suppressed for good reasons like public safety Hazardous materials and such. But You have to think about all of the others that do not fall into these categories.


 Suppression can come in many guises. Sudden financial threats. Bank accounts getting locked for no reason. Credit revoking. Foreclosures. And the most recent Suppression of not a technology but of rights, like in Nevada. 52 ranchers manipulated into loosing their right to public land usage. They will use all legal and not so legal avenues in the USA and get away with it if we do not stand up to these power brokers. All for a 3 billion dollar solar farm that will not be for us but for CHINESE interests Sold out by A senator who was promised probably a very good check for doing so. They do it ALL the time. Just open your eyes and you shall see. OPEN your eyes and stop closing them to these tactics.


 As for government having technology higher then us well thats absolutely RIGHT. My father was a civil contractor hired by G.E. He told me not to specific details, because of security clearance issues, about many high tech stuff even before it came out in the civil sectors. Let me tell you some of the stuff I even laughed at but yet here it is... Scarry... He said way back then about 25 years ago that the average difference in technology was 50 years from Military to civilian releases and I trust my fathers word on that. He had a wall of diplomas and certificates that showed me then his extensive education and he worked on many of the nuke subs we have that is a fact. Most military bases have two structures, an upper public structure and an extensive lower structure. The lower structure is where they keep all the hidden tech and the lower structures have dedicated power systems that we could not even dream of to isolate them from things like EMP's weapons to Nukes to name a few and the power systems are not nuclear in nature. Thats what I got from my limited talks with my dad.


 Take it for what it is worth suppression is what they do when it give the normal joe to much power. If we had such power there would be nothing in our way to just up and leave which they do not want us to do. They want us to feel helpless and just take their demands for everything we have or at bare minimum their cut.


 As for this project why not wait and see what happens? Why speculate they are defrauding anyone without one shred of proof that they are doing so? The only proof at this point would be to build the device and apply the updates that they have talked about. Without doing so you are crying foul before the ball is even thrown or to the plate!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 16, 2014, 12:24:11 AM
Let me recap from what I gotten from the PESN interview video and this thread.

1)  We are being presented a device that is driven by parametric excitation of inductance. 

2)  Driving a device with parametric excitation is an obscure method, although it is still a well understood process.  The parametric excitation modulates and builds up the noise currents in the winding of the device, noise currents that are created in the windings by exposure to ambient natural and man-made magnetic fields.

3)  Although there are zero windings on the rotor of the device to create Lenz effects, the build up of magnetic flux within the stator would likely create some magnetic drag on the rotation of the rotor, which in turn would cause at least some loading on the motor driving the rotor.  This load would likely be much less than the Lenz effect in a typical generators.

4) As a result of #3, as more load is place on the output of the device a reduction in the output voltage and or output current would be expected rather than an increase of the loading of the drive motor though the magnetic drag upon the rotor.

5)  As far as over unity capability of the device, the only suggested source for this has been some sort of mechanical-piezo effect involving the atoms of the magnetic core.  As far as I know, piezoelectric effects have yet to be verified as a source of over-unity operation in any device.  Everything else about the device seems common and ordinary in the field of motors and generators with the addition of a voltage limiting spark gap and resonant circuit tuned to a much higher frequency than the rest of the system.

6) In conclusion the device presented employs an unusual method of input, parametric excitation, which has been previously documented to be a viable method for the conversion of mechanical energy to electrical energy and to work with a COP of <  1.  Thus, it is my expectation for this device that it will generate a useful output at a COP of < 1. 

Now we have a least one person, who appears to be reasonably educated and skilled in the art, claiming the device operates at a COP of > 1, and his method of disseminating the information about the device appears to be appropriate for one, who honestly wants to get the information out to the world as fast and directly as possible.  Unfortunately the device described in that information costs upwards of $10,000 to build, making replication attempts cost prohibitive for a lot of would be replicators.  Also the videos presented so far have been less than comprehensive and convincing of any over-unity effects.

To facilitate replication and verification of over or under unity operation in this device, perhaps the core can be scaled down, so that a device would be made that would cost hundreds instead of thousands of dollars to build.  Aside from trying to figure out how to build a similar parametrically excited induction generator on a smaller scale, my take on this will be to just wait and watch.  Results from Taiwan should be rolling in soon enough over the coming days and weeks.

***

For those of you with the interest for it, here is a link to my step by step analysis of the Tesla Hairpin Circuit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7gPeIVVy0A
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 16, 2014, 12:48:16 AM
Quote from: MarkDansie
As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones.  If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?

Only those who are at the very highest levels would
know why they are being reserved for widespread use
at some future time.  Their present use is for the most
part covert although in some instances have been
witnessed by unexpected observers; e.g. Area 51 and
elsewhere.

The present world system of control doesn't permit
anything to compete with the systems already in place
which are being used/manipulated to bring about the
Ultimate Plan.

What exists deep underground to ensure survival of
those "elites" would shock you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 16, 2014, 12:54:45 AM
Quote from: VidBid
Those are interesting quotes by MarkDansie that you have there, but I was unable to locate them with a search engine.

Where did you find them?

Could I have a link?

Aye, here they are:

First (http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg397938/#msg397938)

Second (http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg397978/#msg397978)


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 16, 2014, 12:56:15 AM


 A scaled down version is what I suggested. If this is a principle they are using I don't think scaling down would hurt it in an respect. The problem then becomes what are the ratio of primary and secondary and what is that relation to the core.


 I do have a 10.5" diameter 1" soft iron core but it is not subdivided. It is round stock and slit on the diameter or two halves of a circle. I was gonna use this for the motor/gen that I am building. I wonder if solid stock would work well enough to see the effect.


 I have a 250 watt scooter motor that I could use to drive it and see if this would do anything.


 The other problem for me is the copper wire. I don't have any yet and I don't really know what gauge it needs at the scaled down version.


 I would also need a rotor and mounting stand with brass fittings in between each coil as per my design.


 So I must get a few more things to try this out. In my version I'm gonna not use the big blocks he has for poles and only use the Toroid core I have with mounting hardware and a stand. I'll have to see when I can get additional parts and the huge amount of wire I need for the cores. Oh and in my version I can bobin the coils because the toroid is split. :)  This way I can try different coil setups like wind direction and solenoid versus bifilar as well.


 The core cost me 50 bucks and I need to machine it a bit as well and then have it re-softened after machining. The machining is only to flatten the split planes...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 16, 2014, 01:01:56 AM
From the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE , they have something going, but we need to look at the data, but unless I'm mistaken, there was talk of a 10 kW output.
The hour long internal conference from Korea? indicated that they did not actually make that work.  Hope Girl has declared that they don't need to and suggests that they do not want to show a working unit.
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Why is that? I mean somebody has to know about them, right?
If something has been successfully suppressed then the public would never know about it.  Yet, over and over again we hear stories of supposedly wonderful inventions suppressed by the gov't or PTB or whoever, but none of the people who report these suppressed devices can actually back up the  stories with any actual proof of a device that works.  These suppression tales are like the "big one that got away".
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Well, human beings are traffickers of information, and what is supposed to be secret is bound to get out sometime, isn't it?
Many humans are story tellers.  The difference between a story and reality is evidence.  These suppression stories routinely lack evidence.
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I doubt there are many people who could actually build a QEG in their basement, and the building of a QEG does require some advanced technical skills, doesn't it?
It requires a lot of material.  Building a working one requires skills no one has:  Altering electromagnetics.
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I don't know if that analogy is applicable in this particular case.
Why on earth would a military spend $100/ gallon to move fuel if it had "century ahead" free energy technology?  If one has enough energy, one can suck CO2 and H2O out of the air and make liquid fuels on the spot for those archaic current technology machines that still use liquid fuels instead of free energy directly.
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If the military was using a type of free energy technology, wouldn't that be classified?
Lots of advanced technology is classified.  It does not prevent us from noticing when older technology does and does not get replaced.  When older technology stays in place, it is a safe bet that there is not a new and better technology to replace it.
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How would you know that it even existed?
Again, look at what gets replaced.
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How do you know that they're not? I mean they could be using them in secret, right?
Sure and just to pull the wool over everyone's eyes they keep using the old stuff and subject convoys to great risk.  May I interest you in some ocean front land in Florida?
Quote

I mean their use in the military would be classified, wouldn't it?

Regards,

VIDBID
You said that before.  There are huge contracts and RFQs out there for energy efficiency and mobility.  Those contracts and RFQs would not exist if the military and elites had these claimed miracle energy technologies.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 16, 2014, 01:03:34 AM
jbignes5:

I think the poles will be necessary to get enough flux gating to make the parametric excitation work.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 16, 2014, 01:13:08 AM


 Well from what I understand it wont need the poles but we will see. The pole block would be easy enough to add if need be. I attached a picture of the core in my last post... I am slao thinking that I will need a coil on the rotor in this design to add a very strong magnetic field to the rotor. There would be almost no cogging in this design. My premise is to create a heavy magnetic field on the rotor via a closed looped coil on said rotor. This way it would guide the magnetic field around the toroid and cut the copper and generate a huge voltage depending on the thickness of the coils. But again I'm speculating.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 16, 2014, 01:28:34 AM
Without the very small air gap between the rotor and poles when aligned, I would expect very little magnetic coupling between the rotor and stator.  This looks like a good device to model with FEMM or something similar.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 16, 2014, 02:29:27 AM



 Well this is what I am basing this off of:


 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine


 Tesla said that a toroid in this design would have infinite poles. So seeing that the poles define the machine then it should be way better. But like I said I will have to tinker with the design. By the way the magnets on the toroid I have shown are for the exciter section, If I need that part. Also as Tesla stated the increased capacitance of the bifilar coil should make additional caps not required. But again I'll have to tinker with that too.. First thing will be to try the setup like Hopegirl presents.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 16, 2014, 03:16:19 AM
The patent  you mention and the device you are describing are significantly different from what is presented in James' manual for the QEG.  I would expect that the device you are talking about and James' QEG operate under different principles.  The device you mention may drive current and or flux around the toroid, although it seems to me it would do so without parametric excitation of the stators inductance value.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 16, 2014, 03:46:45 AM
Well at least this thread is not going off in as many random directions as the Akula 30 watt generator thread.

Nonetheless, for Wattsup:  The Rodin coil is just electronics quackery.  There is no vortex, it doesn't do anything special at all.

SeaMonkey:  Thanks for the usual sales pitch for the End of the World.  The End Times and the clash between the Evil Cabal and the Forces of Good and the billions of people that get wiped out and the Rebirth.  Of course the Evil Cabal has these devices.  Not to mention the permanent magnet motors that run all their submarines.

The people in that hour-long clip seem to be decent people.  The engineering guy seems alright, I can't figure out how he is going for this.  They are all a little bit smug at times but the exit plan is a foregone conclusion as far as I am concerned.  The recorded Google/Skype chats will stop.  HopeGirl's blog will stop cold.  A month or two later web pages will start to disappear.  Many people will be left "holding the donut" and you will have to consult the Internet Wayback Machine to find any traces of the perps.  Like so many Facebook pages popping out of existence after the 2011 Vancouver riot.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 16, 2014, 04:50:39 AM
Quote from: MilesHigh
SeaMonkey:  Thanks for the usual sales pitch for the End of the World.  The End Times and the clash between the Evil Cabal and the Forces of Good and the billions of people that get wiped out and the Rebirth.  Of course the Evil Cabal has these devices.  Not to mention the permanent magnet motors that run all their submarines.

You're welcome MH.  But the World isn't going to meet
its end - at least not entirely.  There will be some
re-arrangement of physical features but Planet Earth
will go on and on and on and on...

What is coming to an end is the corruption which has
operated upon the Earth for a good long time; with
the help of some very powerful advanced technologies
it is going to self-destruct.  Given enough time the
psychopaths who devise the power grabs, the tyrannies,
the brutal regimes, the wars, the lop-sided economic
and monetary systems and all things bad, will themselves
go over the edge and fall into the pit.  In fact, many of
the world's "leaders" are now acting as if they were
looped 24/7. 

Speaking of the Submarines, (or "boats" as they're
affectionately referred to in the Navy), their propulsion
systems are truly works of art.  Those electric motors
are the quietest and smoothest you'll ever see anywhere.
Machinery so noiseless that you'd swear it wasn't
rotating.

That "Evil Cabal" has been quite busy these past several
months stirring up turmoil in Syria and now The Ukraine.
They're making Mr. Putin and Russia look very much like
the Good Guys.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 16, 2014, 05:22:17 AM
The hour long internal conference from Korea?

You mean the interview in Taiwan?

indicated that they did not actually make that work. 

That not what I'm taking away from what James said in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE) . Would you please supply me with quote to that effect with the source link and time index if it's on a video?

Hope Girl has declared that they don't need to and suggests that they do not want to show a working unit.

I'm not really certain that she meant that. Would you please supply me with her quote and a source link for that quote?

If something has been successfully suppressed then the public would never know about it. 

Logical, however, if the suppression effort were to fail, then some people in the public might find out about it. Is that not so?

Yet, over and over again we hear stories of supposedly wonderful inventions suppressed by the gov't or PTB or whoever,

I'm not sure that I have heard these stories. Would you please supply a few specific examples of what you are referring to?

but none of the people who report these suppressed devices can actually back up the stories with any actual proof of a device that works.

Would you please name these people whom you are referring to?

Which suppressed devices were you referring to?

These suppression tales are like the "big one that got away".

Would you please give me a specific example of that?

Many humans are story tellers. 

Do you mean like a teller of tails?

The difference between a story and reality is evidence. 

Do you mean the testimony of an eye witness shouldn't be accepted into evidence?

These suppression stories routinely lack evidence.

Which suppression stories are you referring to? Would you please be specific?

It requires a lot of material. 

Are you referring to the QEG?

Building a working one requires skills no one has: Altering electromagnetics.

How would you know that?

Why on earth would a military spend $100/ gallon to move fuel if it had "century ahead" free energy technology?

I really don't understand your question. How much fuel are you talking about moving?

If one has enough energy, one can suck CO2 and H2O out of the air and make liquid fuels on the spot for those archaic current technology machines that still use liquid fuels instead of free energy directly.

Are you suggesting that we should be making fuel on the spot? If we have the energy to make fuel on the spot, why not just use the energy itself for what we need it for and skip making the fuel?

Lots of advanced technology is classified.

Why wouldn't it be, particularly, if the said classified technology had military applications?

It does not prevent us from noticing when older technology does and does not get replaced.

I don't know that it wouldn't. Would you please give a specific example of what you're referring to? 

When older technology stays in place, it is a safe bet that there is not a new and better technology to replace it.

Unless there is a cost issue or if the older technology's performance is not an issue.

Again, look at what gets replaced.

How would I know which classified military technology is replaced? Would you please supply me with a specific example of what you're referring to?

Sure and just to pull the wool over everyone's eyes they keep using the old stuff and subject convoys to great risk.

I'm not sure if that situation is applicable. Since I'm not a military commander faced with these logistical concerns, I'm unconcerned about it, considering that some general would just throw money at it.
 
May I interest you in some ocean front land in Florida?

Got anything in South Beach?

You said that before.

You're saying I already asked you, "Wouldn't the military's use of free energy technology be classified?"

There are huge contracts and RFQs out there for energy efficiency and mobility.

Would you please be specific as to the contracts and RFQs that you are referring to?

Those contracts and RFQs would not exist if the military and elites had these claimed miracle energy technologies.

How do you know that the reverse wouldn't be true? If they didn't have these contracts and RFQs, wouldn't that arouse suspicions? Why would they reveal that they didn't need these existing contracts and RFQs? I mean if they had a type of free energy technology and they wanted it to remain classified, why would they risk its discovery by using it unless they could guarantee that its use could be kept classified?

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 16, 2014, 05:24:54 AM
The patent  you mention and the device you are describing are significantly different from what is presented in James' manual for the QEG.  I would expect that the device you are talking about and James' QEG operate under different principles.  The device you mention may drive current and or flux around the toroid, although it seems to me it would do so without parametric excitation of the stators inductance value.


 Yes it is different but very much the same as well. And yes it does it very differently. Except for one thing. The loop, in the version I picked it takes advantage of magnetic/electric field loop. It is the secret so to speak. The current build up is directly associated with the voltage generation from the exciter. Once this starts the electric field is converted into a magnetic field in the rotor which then loops back to the field cores and generates more electric field which in turn generates more magnetic field. The trick is to pull some of the magnetic field from the rotor and use it for current for your devices via the rotor coils. Kinda like a dam uses the water behind the dam to generate current. Except in this case how the water or voltage gets replaced is from the magneto exciter and the loop. Once this thing gets going it is like a steady state generator. It's limit is based on the coils and the ratio you pick for the gauge of the wires. The outside wires are very thin and the rotor coils are very thick. Tesla called it a rotary transformer. Well the process of the loop anyways. Once Tesla figured out that loop concept it was rather easy to get the rest. But Tesla got diverted from this concept after he did work on the impulse stuff. His vision got pulled away and he put this concept aside until he got taken by J.P. Morgan.


 So Tesla went back to this unit and it is the very unit he used in the Pierce arrow experiment from what I can figure. Although there is a caveat to this, adding impulse methods will greatly enhance the units power output. This is due to the explosive nature of impulse technology.


 Just remember one thing. Iron and steel act like a sponge to the magnetic field. Whats the core made of and what is the rotor made of? Seeing the wire around the core is very fine gauge and the magnetic field in the rotor will be high what kind of inductive loop do you think is gonna happen between the rotor and field core?


 Anyways on my way to building the patent I picked I'll stop by the Hopegirl concept and check it out.


 Cheers guys, I'll see you when I'm done experimenting. It's better then sitting round here and listening to the Einstein worshipers who couldn't tell the truth even if it bit them on the butt.


 jbignes5
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 05:57:55 AM
Lets say we negate the possibility of any field in the cores and are null of magnetic field. Unless possibly Earths field has a part in it.(Rotate the box in different directions to find out?) If the thought of just the changing value of inductance is the effect producer, then there is another way of changing the inductance other than changing the core values as Luc has demonstrated.

Say we have a mot, uncut, and then apply switching on and off across the primary coil. lol, sounds nuts and probably not even worth trying by anyone that read this, but by shorting and opening the primary winding, you are very effectively changing the actual inductance of the secondary.  So in a way, testing this out may possibly show if just the change in inductance is the real root of it all?  lol Still sounds nuts to me, but I had to put it out there. :o

So I suppose the proposed test would involve switching between short and open of the primary at a particular freq, sweeping to find resonance. ??? I would recommend cutting the cap off the transformer and remount it with an insulated spacer, to keep the core open(gapped), just as Lucs core always is more or less as it spins, except for when it goes BVVVVP!   That sound reminds me of the loud 60hz hum of an outside hv power line that goes to ground or to another phase line. BVVVP! ;D Just about exactly like that is how Lucs box sounds.

I was reading a bit on magnetic amplifiers before this post and the thought came to me.

Like who would even think of such a thing? ;)   Magnutty  :o , thats who. ;D

Now that would be clear and 'easy' free energy if it worked.  ;)


Magnutts :o

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 16, 2014, 06:31:41 AM
@gotoluc

About your 1 watt OU testing,

the best spinning sphere magnet I have ever seen was on youtube, a guy showing a sphere magnet rotating inside a Rodin coil. That magnet was turning so damn fast. So this proves to us that a Rodin coil produces a great rotating impulse matrix inside the donut hole.

alternator stator wants is to see is a nice rotating field inside of its hole. hint hint

wattsup

Hi wattsup,

thanks for the details.

Today I was able to confirm there is not a 1 watt gain in my solid state version of the QEG. Ended up I had to use a wheel utility power meter to confirm. Good thing I was using 60Hz and 240vac.

About the Rodin coil idea. Don't you think the ball magnet RPM will be too high of a frequency for the steel lamination of a car Alternator?... also, why would you think the ball magnet rotation won't be affected by Lenz once the Alt. coil are under load?

Thank for sharing

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 06:46:32 AM
Hi wattsup,

thanks for the details.

Today I was able to confirm there is not a 1 watt gain in my solid state version of the QEG. Ended up I had to use a wheel utility power meter to confirm. Good thing I was using 60Hz and 240vac.

About the Rodin coil idea. Don't you think the ball magnet RPM will be too high of a frequency for the steel lamination of a car Alternator?... also, why would you think the ball magnet rotation won't be affected by Lenz once the Alt. coil are under load?

Thank for sharing

Luc


Hmm. Its an interesting thought of using an alternator to have a bunch of coils on the stator with capacitors, and dont even apply power to the field coil in the rotor. The armature fingers will to the closing the gap deal on the stators and changing the inductance.

Rewind the stator with lots of fine wire to simulate or come close to the inductance of the mot sec.

Then just drive/spin the alt to resonance with caps on each of the 3 stator coils, all of different phase.  So this way probably no BVVVP! sounds. ;D   Alternators are pretty sturdy.

Mags
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 16, 2014, 06:51:36 AM
Lets say we negate the possibility of any field in the cores and are null of magnetic field. Unless possibly Earths field has a part in it.(Rotate the box in different directions to find out?) If the thought of just the changing value of inductance is the effect producer, then there is another way of changing the inductance other than changing the core values as Luc has demonstrated.

Say we have a mot, uncut, and then apply switching on and off across the primary coil. lol, sounds nuts and probably not even worth trying by anyone that read this, but by shorting and opening the primary winding, you are very effectively changing the actual inductance of the secondary.  So in a way, testing this out may possibly show if just the change in inductance is the real root of it all?  lol Still sounds nuts to me, but I had to put it out there. :o

So I suppose the proposed test would involve switching between short and open of the primary at a particular freq, sweeping to find resonance. ??? I would recommend cutting the cap off the transformer and remount it with an insulated spacer, to keep the core open(gapped), just as Lucs core always is more or less as it spins, except for when it goes BVVVVP!   That sound reminds me of the loud 60hz hum of an outside hv power line that goes to ground or to another phase line. BVVVP! ;D Just about exactly like that is how Lucs box sounds.

I was reading a bit on magnetic amplifiers before this post and the thought came to me.

Like who would even think of such a thing? ;)   Magnutty  :o , thats who. ;D

Now that would be clear and 'easy' free energy if it worked.  ;)


Magnutts :o

Hey Mags,

I forgot to mention something that may help this magnet flux question.

I was doing more tests on trying to find a different resonating cap value on the high voltage coil and found one that was giving a small rise in voltage, then for some reason I shorted both the low voltage coils and instantly the voltage rise fell to nothing and would not climb back.
Would this not confirm that a magnetic flux was present in the cores until I neutralized it by shorting?

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 07:05:03 AM
Lets say we negate the possibility of any field in the cores and are null of magnetic field. Unless possibly Earths field has a part in it.(Rotate the box in different directions to find out?) If the thought of just the changing value of inductance is the effect producer, then there is another way of changing the inductance other than changing the core values as Luc has demonstrated.

Say we have a mot, uncut, and then apply switching on and off across the primary coil. lol, sounds nuts and probably not even worth trying by anyone that read this, but by shorting and opening the primary winding, you are very effectively changing the actual inductance of the secondary.  So in a way, testing this out may possibly show if just the change in inductance is the real root of it all?  lol Still sounds nuts to me, but I had to put it out there. :o

So I suppose the proposed test would involve switching between short and open of the primary at a particular freq, sweeping to find resonance. ??? I would recommend cutting the cap off the transformer and remount it with an insulated spacer, to keep the core open(gapped), just as Lucs core always is more or less as it spins, except for when it goes BVVVVP!   That sound reminds me of the loud 60hz hum of an outside hv power line that goes to ground or to another phase line. BVVVP! ;D Just about exactly like that is how Lucs box sounds.

I was reading a bit on magnetic amplifiers before this post and the thought came to me.

Like who would even think of such a thing? ;)   Magnutty  :o , thats who. ;D

Now that would be clear and 'easy' free energy if it worked.  ;)


Magnutts :o

Thinking about it a bit more, there may need to be 1 change to shift the inductance more like Lucs test box does.

The way I described above, the sec has a particular inductance on its own with the cap off  and away from the cut ecore containing the mots sec winding. Then when the cap is rotated to where it completely covers the cut ecore, the inductance of the sec coil increases.

In my shorting the primary config, the sec would have its own self inductance, but when the primary is shorted, the sec inductance goes down, opposite of Lucs box demo.

Not sure if it even matters if the inductance is shifted one way or the other to get the effect. But to get the sec inductance to increase by shorting the primary, all we have to do is instead of shorting the primary, just connect another inductor to the primary, and the sec inductance will increase, simulating the increase of sec inductance instead of lowering it. 

Like I said, not sure if it matters one way or the other. Either way, the sec inductance will change by affecting the primary as described. ;)

As I said, if the change in inductance is the prime function of sec output of this device, then this changing of inductance will either work, or possibly it is not just(or not at all) the change of sec inductance that causes the effect. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 07:16:09 AM
Hey Mags,

I forgot to mention something that may help this magnet flux question.

I was doing more tests on trying to find a different resonating cap value on the high voltage coil and found one that was giving a small rise in voltage, then for some reason I shorted both the low voltage coils and instantly the voltage rise fell to nothing and would not climb back.
Would this not confirm that a magnetic flux was present in the cores until I neutralized it by shorting?

Luc

If you are saying you still have the primary on the open ecore with the sec, then I would put an amp meter across the primary(with series resistor as current limiter) to see if current is in the primary.  but thinking about it more, loading/shorting the primary will lower the sec inductance sending your resonant freq much higher. Sooo, larger caps to get back into resonance?  Then just leave the sec and cap alone, and just load the primary, lowering the voltage and increasing the current of the output. As the primary load changes, say when the light bulb goes from cold to hot, the freq will need to be adjusted for the 'hot' load to be in resonance, because changing the load on the primary will affect the sec inductance. The more the primary conducts, the lower the sec inductance will be. ;) So the appropriate cap and freq of spin will be needed to match peak output of the primary.  Seems complicated, but its not, and probably very well worth trying. ;D

Mags

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 07:26:09 AM
Hey Mags,

I forgot to mention something that may help this magnet flux question.

I was doing more tests on trying to find a different resonating cap value on the high voltage coil and found one that was giving a small rise in voltage, then for some reason I shorted both the low voltage coils and instantly the voltage rise fell to nothing and would not climb back.
Would this not confirm that a magnetic flux was present in the cores until I neutralized it by shorting?

Luc

Lol, I said all that and neglected the flux question... ::)


Well it seems we have to operate at resonance of the LC in order to get any output at all.  In your setup, if you remove the capacitor then adjust your scope to a more sensitive level, then if you see 'any' output, even tiny, I would say there may be some week field in the core, and when you do set up the LC for resonance, it is a very pronounced resonance. very.  ;)   Nice big fat resonance affect compared to ordinary 'generator'' action using even a very weak field in the core, shown by looking at the sec without the cap, having no resonance advantages.   

Did you try the compass tests I mentioned earlier?  I think it was yesterday.

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 16, 2014, 07:39:51 AM
Well at least this thread is not going off in as many random directions as the Akula 30 watt generator thread.

Nonetheless, for Wattsup:  The Rodin coil is just electronics quackery.  There is no vortex, it doesn't do anything special at all.


MileHigh
Maybe but they are fun to play with :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 07:43:43 AM
One more thing I just thought of.  have you tried backing off the gap distance at all from what you have shown?  Like open the gap say 1 or 2mm then try again to see if there is output, without BVVVVP! happening at all. Your function gen only goes to 1 decimal point. Once you have the freq that is closest to resonance, you could try doing small adjustments to the capacitance to fine tune even further.  This is what Romero was doing, increasing the spacing of the rotor mags and the pickup coils to 'reduce' lenz drag, but when the speed was up to the resonance of the coils, they would sing well at a distance. He said he spent a lot of time on those coils and tuning.  To get all 16 pickups to sing at the same freq, let alone have the same voltage output for best and equal output of each coil would be a daunting task.  Say if one coil was a bit off from the others, its output may not even add to the output cap due to it doesnt even hit as high a voltage as the others. Daunting task indeedy. ;)   Most people may not even consider those things.  Hand wound, fine litz wire, backing washers and backing magnet adjustments. But he took on that task and look what he made. ;D



Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 07:53:23 AM
Lol, I said all that and neglected the flux question... ::)


Well it seems we have to operate at resonance of the LC in order to get any output at all.  In your setup, if you remove the capacitor then adjust your scope to a more sensitive level, then if you see 'any' output, even tiny, I would say there may be some week field in the core, and when you do set up the LC for resonance, it is a very pronounced resonance. very.  ;)   Nice big fat resonance affect compared to ordinary 'generator'' action using even a very weak field in the core, shown by looking at the sec without the cap, having no resonance advantages.   

Did you try the compass tests I mentioned earlier?  I think it was yesterday.

Mags

Lets see, what would be a good way of getting rid of any magnetism in the core, or at least reduce it to a possible minimum?  Remove the coils and bake in the oven at 500deg for 45 min?  ;D

Remember also, the 'welding' on the core could easily implant a field in the core. ;) ;) Just thinking of possible ways it could have gotten there and if we could get rid of it all, if there is a field, would the box still do the BVVVP! or have any output at all? ;)

Im not trying to debunk. But to me, it would be natural to think along these lines first to eliminate things to find the target cause of effect.  Like I have been posting about since yesterday. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 08:01:39 AM
Lol, if youu added mags to the open ecore poles N S N, glue, what ever it would take, then run the thing, would there be as much or more output than what you are getting? It would be a scene from Jaws, " I think we need a bigger box."  Stronger at least.  ;D   But then more lenz, more BVVVVAAPP!!!
But resonance should be higher freq. Stronger field(stiffer, tighter string on the guitar)
Just thinkin

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on April 16, 2014, 01:42:02 PM
Johan
Thanks for posting your "old" experiment.
It would seem you have achieved results that show OU?
Chet
Hi Chet,
Right, its a standard single phase motor, has 2 coils each over 2 core's, only the rotor also has a coil! ;-))
Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 16, 2014, 03:13:52 PM

You guys are familiar with Rotoverter concept ? Idea is to rewire the stator windings to get stronger electro magnet and reduce current flow through the drive coil. To further reduce power usage parallel capacitor is used to get system into resonance. Problem with this is that there is the rotor that also have coils shorted, so when rotor starts spinning it will create back emf to stator coils putting it out resonance. Proposed solution was to use capacitors adjusted to load: when load changes caps need to be also changed. This could be difficult task, don't know.


So what I am thinking is that what happens if coils in the rotor are just not used at all (disconnected or removed) ? Would the rotor still rotate ? Why not, if it is made of iron. Stator's rotating electro magnet would still attract the iron rotor. There would be less torque but if stator coils are in resonance then they would form stronger electromagnet. Another option is to use higher voltage and more turns in stator coils.


Would the result then be a motor without any drag and low power consumption because of resonance (it would run on reactive power only) ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on April 16, 2014, 06:00:43 PM
Here's a good page with animations for induction motors, if you scroll down nearer the bottom there is rotating fields and squirrel cages.

http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/electricmotors.html

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 16, 2014, 08:14:37 PM



 I know this is off topic a bit but please watch this video of a real explanation that describes the Universe we live in. This is so close to the truth we must understand this completely.


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EguwaPRmamY
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 16, 2014, 08:56:58 PM
jbignes5,

I spent some time thinking about that patent you mentioned.  I have seen that one years ago when I first started looking into Tesla stuff.  The working principle there is rather simple.  It would be a lot easier to understand or at least visualize if 4 permanent magnets were used instead of the four coils on the stator, and then one belt was use to turn the stator, and another belt was use to turn the rotor.  If the belts were turning the two pieces in opposite directions at the same speed, then the effective rotational speed between the two part would be twice the physical speed of each one.  That's the idea of how Tesla was able to generator the equivalent output of higher speed generators with lower speed ones.  Tesla used one more level of complexity than what I described, in that he electrically rotated the pole of the stator coils with an AC generator he called an exciter. 

I having trouble understanding just what you mean by impulse, and how that fits into Tesla's electric dynamo.


Farmhand,

It's good to see you in on this one.  How's things going on the other forum?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 12:30:35 AM
jbignes5,

I spent some time thinking about that patent you mentioned.  I have seen that one years ago when I first started looking into Tesla stuff.  The working principle there is rather simple.  It would be a lot easier to understand or at least visualize if 4 permanent magnets were used instead of the four coils on the stator, and then one belt was use to turn the stator, and another belt was use to turn the rotor.  If the belts were turning the two pieces in opposite directions at the same speed, then the effective rotational speed between the two part would be twice the physical speed of each one.  That's the idea of how Tesla was able to generator the equivalent output of higher speed generators with lower speed ones.  Tesla used one more level of complexity than what I described, in that he electrically rotated the pole of the stator coils with an AC generator he called an exciter. 

I having trouble understanding just what you mean by impulse, and how that fits into Tesla's electric dynamo.


Farmhand,

It's good to see you in on this one.  How's things going on the other forum?


 If you use magnets in any other section of that patent then you loose the loop effect. This would destroy the concept. Tesla had this patent as the AC system he HAD designed. It was an improvement to that system as the text of the patent reads. The rotational fields can be simply adjusted by the wind direction which can be set to rotate in opposite direction the prime mover rotates PLUS the loop can be self maintained in that way. Also the belt was a pony break and he notes that this system was quite impossible to stop but there were limits to this. Those limits are the physical wire itself. Go beyond the current capability or the insulation and poof it would break.

 When the patent is adopted to a single shaft it creates a self pumping loop which you can harvest the extra current for use in the prime mover and additional loads via a transformer. The belt again was used to check the motor and increase the current in the rotor coils. What if you connected the belt to a transmission? Hmmm... This is where I connected this to the Pierce arrow experiment.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 17, 2014, 01:45:54 AM
As a suggestion there is no point in being all over the map, it seems to happen all time on these types of "device" threads.  I think that mining and linking to what the true replicators of the actual device are doing would be the most interesting.  What are their pictures, waveforms, and measurements like?  I am not sure if there is any hard data yet but I am not going to do an exhaustive search.  Perhaps someone really interested will carry that torch.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/136-working-prototype?start=12

Quote
Larry, what does it mean that " we dont have units for powering homes yet " ?????
 The top news asociated with QEG prototype is a free 10 kw device !!!!
 if thats true we got a home powering unit !!!

Will the question be answered I wonder.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 02:15:10 AM



 It was answered in a few of the videos provided. The 10k figure was a very short runtime and it couldn't maintain that power level hence the reason for a discovery period and further funding. The man said he had to back down the power to 4k which it could do easily. The problem being a weak insulation. This problem again showed up in the Taipei prototype which was talked about for the rewinding of the core. These problems were the main reason they went to Taipei. Since the first location was instructing an engineer and manufacturer, it would make learning about design improvement easier working with existing professionals.


 We will have to see about if this holds true and what updates are applied and what actually works.


 I'm still on the fence about the device but to me it sounds legit. But as usual time will only tell. As for the thread following a certain path, well it was sorta related since they look so similar and both are Tesla derived designs.


 I doubt the threads direction will make any difference at all to the outcome since this is not originated from the Device producers and since this thread is basically a bashing thread without the possibility of direct answers from the parties involved, it seems to me any direction is better than the current one.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jdsanders on April 17, 2014, 02:15:39 AM
Cool lecture, jbig.  Thanks for the link.   :)




 I know this is off topic a bit but please watch this video of a real explanation that describes the Universe we live in. This is so close to the truth we must understand this completely.


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EguwaPRmamY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EguwaPRmamY)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 02:18:41 AM
Cool lecture, jbig.  Thanks for the link.   :)


 Yeah this group is actually real scientists who are seeing things in a new light very very informative for re-educating people to the way it really is.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 17, 2014, 02:18:52 AM

 If you use magnets in any other section of that patent then you loose the loop effect. This would destroy the concept. Tesla had this patent as the AC system he HAD designed. It was an improvement to that system as the text of the patent reads. The rotational fields can be simply adjusted by the wind direction which can be set to rotate in opposite direction the prime mover rotates PLUS the loop can be self maintained in that way. Also the belt was a pony break and he notes that this system was quite impossible to stop but there were limits to this. Those limits are the physical wire itself. Go beyond the current capability or the insulation and poof it would break.


This dynamo seems to me to be a straight forward alternator with electrically rotated stator poles that can be used to increase or decrease the effective rotation speed of the armature.  What do you mean by loop effect?   

If one rotates a movable stator with magnets physically, or poles generated by coils in a fixed stator electrically the effect would be the same, provided the the strength of the magnets and the strength of the coils were the same.   

Where does Tesla claim the device is practically impossible to stop, in the patent or somewhere else?

Quote

 When the patent is adopted to a single shaft it creates a self pumping loop which you can harvest the extra current for use in the prime mover and additional loads via a transformer. The belt again was used to check the motor and increase the current in the rotor coils. What if you connected the belt to a transmission? Hmmm... This is where I connected this to the Pierce arrow experiment.

What so you mean by adopting the device to a single shaft?  What exactly would be attached to that shaft?

Also as I understand the Tesla's Pierce Arrow, there was an antenna and have a dozen tubes of some sort.  Are you trying to imply this dynamo was responsible for part or all the the reported self-sustaining operation of the vehicle?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 17, 2014, 02:29:29 AM

WITTS broadcast tonight:




"Fix The World organization has been making progress with their QEG (quantum energy generator) project.  Although the machine is capable of producing significant electrical power without a conventional fuel source, there are safety considerations that builders may not be aware of. Energy being derived with these types of devices is not only electrons like most engineers are familiar, but include other particles and fields not commonly taught in conventional electrical theory.  In addition to high voltages being generated, dominant energy systems can manifest large quantum energy pulses showing up at a distance which could cause fires or harm electronic equipment. WITTS Ministries advises experimenters to exercise extreme caution and urges serious engineers to consider taking a few classes before working at significant power levels.  Sir T will have more information on this week's broadcast."


http://www.witts.ws/
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 02:31:19 AM
This dynamo seems to me to be a straight forward alternator with electrically rotated stator poles that can be used to increase or decrease the effective rotation speed of the armature.  What do you mean by loop effect?   

If one rotates a movable stator with magnets physically, or the pole of fixed stator electrically the effect would be the same, provided the the strength of the magnets and the strength of the coils were the same.   

Where does Tesla claim the device is practically impossible to stop, in the patent or somewhere else?

What so you mean by adopting the device to a single shaft?  What exactly would be attached to that shaft?

Also as I understand the Tesla's Pierce Arrow, there was an antenna and have a dozen tubes of some sort.  Are you trying to imply this dynamo was responsible for part or all the the self-sustaining operation of the vehicle?


 The loop goes like this. It starts in the magneto. then gets put through the field coils. Since the field coils are of high voltage and low current there isn't much magnetic field created. The high voltage field then gets induced into the rotor coils which transform the high voltage field into low voltage high current. This creates a very large magnetic field in the rotor and a heavy current. The magnetic field locks onto the field cores and rotates cutting the field coils and generating more high voltage which then induces into the rotor coils again. This is a loop between the rotor and field cores. The heavy current can be tapped as shown and put through the transformer shown on the patent. Also Tesla states that the motor or prime mover should be made how he specifies in the patent. Yes it can be all done on the same shaft in fact that is probably the best way to do it, for timing issues.


 The antenna is a ruse and there is no indication it was used at all. The box was the impulse controls and Tesla designed special spark gap and diode tubes for the box. The motor control was via Tesla's standard magnetic motor control. He has a patent for it as well and hooked to the gas pedal.
 
The book Secrets of Cold war Technology, i believe has the story about the motors he was developing and had Westinghouse produce them for him. And yes this was all together one unit.

 http://borderlandresearch.com/book/secrets-cold-war-tech/chapter-1
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 17, 2014, 02:37:00 AM
WITTS broadcast tonight:




"Fix The World organization has been making progress with their QEG (quantum energy generator) project.  Although the machine is capable of producing significant electrical power without a conventional fuel source, there are safety considerations that builders may not be aware of. Energy being derived with these types of devices is not only electrons like most engineers are familiar, but include other particles and fields not commonly taught in conventional electrical theory.  In addition to high voltages being generated, dominant energy systems can manifest large quantum energy pulses showing up at a distance which could cause fires or harm electronic equipment. WITTS Ministries advises experimenters to exercise extreme caution and urges serious engineers to consider taking a few classes before working at significant power levels.  Sir T will have more information on this week's broadcast."


http://www.witts.ws/ (http://www.witts.ws/)


Bullshit meter pegged here, they want to cash in as well lol
This is hilarious
Will it ever end?


Just Like John R , Brady and many others they will milk the gullible as long as possible.
Any chance WITTS will show a verifiable working model its only been 20 years lol?


Mark

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 17, 2014, 02:39:10 AM

The book Cold war Secrets i believe has the story about the motors he was developing and had Westinghouse produce them for him. And yes this was all together one unit.


Would that be "Secrets of Cold War Technology" by Gerry Vassilatos?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 17, 2014, 02:41:10 AM

Bullshit meter pegged here, they want to cash in as well lol
This is hilarious
Will it ever end?


Just Like John R , Brady and many others they will milk the gullible as long as possible.
Any chance WITTS will show a verifiable working model its only been 20 years lol?


Mark


Chill out Mark. Just listen to see if you might learn something new?


cheers,


chrisC

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 17, 2014, 02:45:31 AM
Jbignes5,

Try to look at the thread as a thread looking for hard evidence.  The reason you look for hard evidence is that there are some basic facts that go ignored in search of the next free energy proposition.

The basic facts are that an inductor is not a source of free energy.  A mechanical inductor is a spring.  Anybody that plays with a spring quickly realizes you can only get out what you put in less losses.  Pull on a still spring and let go of it and it whips forward.  There is your high velocity/high voltage spike.  A transformer is not a source of free energy.  A mechanical transformer is a car's manual transmission in say third gear.  People intuitively know that a car's transmission is not a source of free energy.  Moving onto a capacitor, a mechanical capacitor is a water tower.  You pump water up into it and then you can get water from it, and people intuitively know that a water tower is not a source of free energy.

It's understandable that people find it hard to see the equivalencies but they are there.  When you put these components together in various ways they just give you compounding losses, not over unity.  That's why there is a very strong burden of proof that is on the shoulders of the proponents of the QEG or any other similar system.

Knowing that the burden of proof is so strong (they have to know it), the people working on the QEG should have gone out of their way to demonstrate and document their results.  Systems should have been demoed on top of glass tables or on solid concrete surfaces.  All measurements and waveforms and videos and live demonstrations in front of qualified observers and any other form of documentation should have been done before a single peep about a 9 kilowatt (10 minus the 1 feeding back) free energy system was even mentioned.

The current status is that you have the belief that the system outputs 4 kilowatts no problem and with proper adjustments to the coil insulation it will be 9 kilowatts.   I am not aware of anything tangible right now, just talk.  No pictures, video clips, and documentation for the allegedly no-issue-fee-running 4 kilowatt system right now - that follows the pattern that we have all seen way too many times before.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 17, 2014, 02:54:12 AM
People often seem to have trouble understanding the nature of resonance and tank circuits, more specifically how voltages and currents can rise numerous orders of magnitude, which can seem quite magical and quite surprising as insufficient capacitors, insulation, and conductors to fail dramatically, as resonance in a tank circuit is approached, and how tanks circuits can store a surprisingly large amount energy once in resonance, energy which can then be drawn off in large or small portions while the system remains in continuous operation.  The fact remains though, that one has to put energy in before one can take it out, and one can only take out as much as was put in minus resistive losses.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 17, 2014, 02:55:03 AM
Mark:

Quote
Bullshit meter pegged here, they want to cash in as well lol

I have to agree with you.  That looks like WITTS wants to feed at the new trough that this buzz is creating so they issue a ridiculous and fake warning and then they say this:

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WITTS Ministries advises experimenters to exercise extreme caution and urges serious engineers to consider taking a few classes before working at significant power levels.

Take a few classes at $1000 an hour?  (It's possible.)  Unbelievable.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 17, 2014, 03:04:36 AM
F_Brown:

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People often seem to have trouble understanding the nature of resonance and tank circuits.   More specifically how voltages and currents can rise numerous orders of magnitude within tank circuits as resonance is approached and how tanks circuits can store a surprising about of energy once in resonance, which can then be drawn off in small portions while the system remains in continuous operation.  The fact remains though, that one has to put energy in before one can take it out, and one can only take out as much as was put in minus resistive losses.

You are absolutely right.  When you think of the child on the swing example, the swing will swing high enough so that the amount of energy you supply with each push is equal to the amount of energy that is burnt off with the air friction.  So in addition to the in-out equation that you reference above, the sobering thought is that the electrically resonant circuit will climb in voltage in proportion to how much power you are able to put into it.  So depending on how you do your excitation, it's possible for a very impressive very high resonant voltage to actually represent a significant burn off of the supplied power.

That suggests a measurement:  When the QEG is resonating at a very high voltage without being connected to a load, how much power burn-off does that represent?  You can measure the DC resistance of your coil or coils, so you are poised to make that extremely important measurement.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 17, 2014, 03:14:10 AM


That suggests a measurement:  When the QEG is resonating at a very high voltage without being connected to a load, how much power burn-off does that represent?  You can measure the DC resistance of your coil or coils, so you are poised to make that extremely important measurement.

MileHigh

Yes.  I've been reflecting on the insulation breakdown in Taiwan.  A repeat of that could be avoided by adding some additional resistance in the HV primary circuit to limit current and dissipate some energy, or the gap of the spark gap could be reduced to limit the HV in the primary by another method.   Building up insulation around the core is sound, although limiting voltages and currents to known safe levels is always good practice too.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 03:15:03 AM



 Read this ok High boy....


http://borderlandresearch.com/book/secrets-cold-war-tech/chapter-1


 Read it all then re read it a few more times. Impulse technology does not conform to your Laws. But then again why would you know anything about it at all? If you can't read then maybe you can get it in preread recording.. Learn something new ok...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 03:22:33 AM
Yes.  I've been reflecting on the insulation breakdown in Taiwan.  A repeat of that could be avoided by adding some additional resistance in the HV primary circuit to limit current and dissipate some energy, or the gap of the spark gap could be reduced to limit the HV in the primary by another method.   Building up insulation around the core is sound, although limiting voltages and currents to known safe levels is always good practice too.


 They opted for insulating wraps in between layers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 17, 2014, 03:35:42 AM
With the QEG resonance is a narrow band of frequencies
because of the cyclical changes in inductance as the
rotor rotates.  It is being pumped.

What is the relationship between the resonant band
of the device and the rotor rate of magnetic reversals?

Or, should we say, what is the desired relationship?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 17, 2014, 03:40:19 AM
Jbignes5:

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Impulse technology does not conform to your Laws.

There is no such thing as "impulse technology."  You are just buying into some BS.

There is this:   [Signal] --> [Circuit]  --> [Response]

The "signal" could be a sine wave, a triangle wave, exponential waveform, pure DC, a pulse train, whatever.   Notice that includes your "impulse technology."

It's all perfectly well understood and analyzed through and through.

Here is a link for you:

http://books.google.ca/books/about/Advanced_Engineering_Mathematics.html?id=UnN8DpXI74EC&redir_esc=y

Quote
If you can't read then maybe you can get it in preread recording..

I advise you to stop that and keep the thread civil.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on April 17, 2014, 03:43:38 AM
Farmhand,

It's good to see you in on this one.  How's things going on the other forum?

I'm in a self imposed exile (forum wise) for a while, I recognized that I was getting obsessive with a certain project and I decided I needed to step back and clear my mind while I take care of some non related stuff and allow others to work on without any distraction from me. My gut told me I was missing something and I needed to step back and let my inspirations hit me rather than chase after it. I'm also kinda stuck in a position where I want to build some mechanical things with some engineering accuracy, but it's a bad time for me, too much to do and no time to think deeply.

I have plans for projects but they require parts made by machining. I intend to go back to building things for love of building, when I post about what I do it distracts my thinking due to the conversations I get into.

Cheers



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 17, 2014, 03:52:08 AM
R_Brown:

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I've been reflecting on the insulation breakdown in Taiwan.

I reposted the schematic.  Notice the four coils wound on the toroidal core.  The schematic suggests that you want to wind "left to right - multi layer" for each of th four coils so that as you go left to right across the coil the voltage rises linearly and there are no turns with excessively high voltage difference between them.  You don't want to wind "zig-zag - layer by layer." So the arcing should be resolvable one way or the other.

Certainly having a load on the system will also reduce the maximum AC voltage.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 17, 2014, 04:50:35 AM


 Read this ok High boy....


http://borderlandresearch.com/book/secrets-cold-war-tech/chapter-1 (http://borderlandresearch.com/book/secrets-cold-war-tech/chapter-1)


 Read it all then re read it a few more times. Impulse technology does not conform to your Laws. But then again why would you know anything about it at all? If you can't read then maybe you can get it in preread recording.. Learn something new ok...

Oh yeah Borderlands stuff.  I thought that sounded familiar.   I've been though that years ago.  I'll have a review.  Poor Eric Dollard, he failed to really get anywhere for all he put into that group.

Yep, insulation between winding layers is standard HV transformer practice, at least for vacuum tube plate and output transformers, and SMPS inductors for that matter.   With kilovolts being developed in the primary, I'm a bit surprised that James neglected to to that in the first place.  Perhaps that's because he's use to working with lower voltage motors.

However, I thought the report from Taiwan stated that they experienced trouble with the primary winding arcing to the core, rather than the primary arcing within itself.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 17, 2014, 04:54:59 AM
I'm in a self imposed exile (forum wise) for a while, I recognized that I was getting obsessive with a certain project and I decided I needed to step back and clear my mind while I take care of some non related stuff and allow others to work on without any distraction from me. My gut told me I was missing something and I needed to step back and let my inspirations hit me rather than chase after it. I'm also kinda stuck in a position where I want to build some mechanical things with some engineering accuracy, but it's a bad time for me, too much to do and no time to think deeply.

I have plans for projects but they require parts made by machining. I intend to go back to building things for love of building, when I post about what I do it distracts my thinking due to the conversations I get into.

Cheers

Yep, me too.  Life's been rougher then usual lately.  Recently, I just got into designing microwave antenna's and wave guides, neat stuff.  I also need to find a way to fabricate things in my shop with a sufficient degree of mechanical precision for those frequencies using only hand tools.  What's life without challenges aye?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 17, 2014, 05:17:11 AM
News about the QEG:
 Only about 420 Watts Output while putting in 1 KW ....
 Output is only about 200 Volts AC and 2.1 Amps ...
 Was expected by me..the whole thing looks like a big donation scam..pretty sad.. http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 17, 2014, 05:23:39 AM
News about the QEG:
 Only about 420 Watts Output while putting in 1 KW ....
 Output is only about 200 Volts AC and 2.1 Amps ...
 Was expected by me..the whole thing looks like a big donation scam..pretty sad.. http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf)
Man who could have seen that coming... *ducks*
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 06:11:18 AM
News about the QEG:
 Only about 420 Watts Output while putting in 1 KW ....
 Output is only about 200 Volts AC and 2.1 Amps ...
 Was expected by me..the whole thing looks like a big donation scam..pretty sad.. http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf)


 Are you saying you built it or taking numbers out of context from the link you posted?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 06:17:07 AM
Jbignes5:

There is no such thing as "impulse technology."  You are just buying into some BS.

There is this:   [Signal] --> [Circuit]  --> [Response]

The "signal" could be a sine wave, a triangle wave, exponential waveform, pure DC, a pulse train, whatever.   Notice that includes your "impulse technology."

It's all perfectly well understood and analyzed through and through.

Here is a link for you:

http://books.google.ca/books/about/Advanced_Engineering_Mathematics.html?id=UnN8DpXI74EC&redir_esc=y (http://books.google.ca/books/about/Advanced_Engineering_Mathematics.html?id=UnN8DpXI74EC&redir_esc=y)

I advise you to stop that and keep the thread civil.

MileHigh


 Wow so you can't read then. You know just don't post to me anymore. I won't post to you. Agreed? Ignorance is bliss.. No impulse technology?? Get a life...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 17, 2014, 06:47:20 AM
News about the QEG:
 Only about 420 Watts Output while putting in 1 KW ....
 Output is only about 200 Volts AC and 2.1 Amps ...
 Was expected by me..the whole thing looks like a big donation scam..pretty sad.. http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf)

Hi Stefan,

I looked through the Q & A link you posted but could not find where they say the input is 1KW

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 17, 2014, 12:11:20 PM
The questions are:
What is the factor Q in serie ?
Is the voltage in resonance is in fact superior to 24000 volts ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 17, 2014, 12:30:30 PM
Jbignes5:

There is no reason that we can't discuss the evolution of this QEG project in a civil way.  The notion that "impulse technology" is something not understood is simply not true.  That book by Gerry Vassilatos is the equivalent of supermarket tabloid trash masquerading as a "serious" book.

Here is a funny quote from an Amazon reviewer of his "Lost Science" book:

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This is the only book that I bought in the authors substantial output and will be the only one.  It suffers from one basic flaw and that is simply put, the author does not give one, not one single source for any claim made on any page in the book.  In the back of the book is a bibliography.  In this he quotes from FIVE of his own books, the Vril Compendium Series. So, the reader of Lost Science has to then hope that those books will have some sources, etc.  Take for example the material on T.T. Brown.  When he writes with great certainty the events he says happened to Brown he does not give a source.

Here is a 976 page serious science book on "impulse technology:"

http://www.introni.it/pdf/Millman%20-%20Taub%20-%20Pulse%20and%20Digital%20Switching%20Waveforms%201965.pdf (http://www.introni.it/pdf/Millman%20-%20Taub%20-%20Pulse%20and%20Digital%20Switching%20Waveforms%201965.pdf)

I could pull up 100 more links on stuff like this.  So believe me when I tell you that there is no basis in fact about the "secret" of "impulse technology."

If you want to disagree, then fine.  Just don't act like a schoolyard bully in grade 6.

Going back to the QEG, I did read a reference somewhere that somebody got about 50% efficiency.  I believe that it was 1000 watts in and 500 (possibly 400) watts out.   I think there is also a related YouTube clip where the system reaches resonance and the light bulb load lights up.

The big question in my mind is if the people that bought into this thing will be upset assuming that it's proven to fail to work.  Will there be a big backlash?   Suppose you have a group of 10 people that put in 500 bucks each.  So with their $5000 they build a faithful replication and it doesn't work as claimed.  If within that group of 10 people you have one person that really knows what they are doing technically, and one or two people that don't come from the culture of the free energy forums and are upset, there could be a lot of heat brought down on HopeGirl and the Fix the World group.

Time will tell.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 17, 2014, 01:40:40 PM
Or the way is to simply do the same resonance frequency to secondary?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wattsup on April 17, 2014, 03:13:56 PM
@MH

Rodin may be a joke if it is only used for spinning a sphere magnet but Rodin is no joke if the effect is real. Vortex, spinning fields or virtual spinning fields do exist and so does the ability of an alternator stator to output from rotation. Just look at how the windings are done in an alternator stator. Very analog to a Rodin. Pairing these would be a natural fit. I am not inferring that there is no R&D involved because there always is. Lastly, when I post, I am usually talking to the majority who never post and I know who are looking for ideas to push them near a new edge which is the basic foundation of OU research. I see a guy doing experiments and I try to push them further along because it is a mutual learning experience.

@stefan

Why am I not surprised. So as usual, we have to do better.

@Magluvin

Lets say we negate the possibility of any field in the cores and are null of magnetic field. Unless possibly Earths field has a part in it.(Rotate the box in different directions to find out?) If the thought of just the changing value of inductance is the effect producer, then there is another way of changing the inductance other than changing the core values as Luc has demonstrated.

Yes I was thinking the same thing. There may be a preferred angle that will produce even slightly more output on the primary or secondary since both are really secondaries if you are considering this.

@gotoluc

I'll energize the solenoid and measure it for you Thursday night. Been busy with other stuff.

Another point is that the solenoid does not have to move the I core flat-to-flat (f2f) (although testing f2f would be good) on the E core. The I core could have a pivot on one end and do the same thing. That would support a good majority of the weight of the I core so the solenoid is free to just provide the motion. Actually the I core on a pivot and then complete I/E core assembly secured at a slight angle to keep the I core centered on its pivot point will lower the movement energy even more. Also, you could have an I core on a pivot (or f2f) between two E cores, so at each back or forth movement an E core is contacted by that one I core. I can go on and on but the basic idea is to not rotate the I core.

This could even be used by ocean waves, pushing then pulling back I core structures.

I consider that the I/E MOT cores plus the copper wires are already energized by the Earth field. What I mean by energized is better said that it is biased by the Earth field. The approaching I core changes the bias of that contact area of the core and that change is sensed by both the primary and secondary that creates a potential difference in the coils, hence output. When the I core leaves, the Earth field then spins, rewinds, resets or re-biases everything back to their original bias so fast thus producing a second change that translates to more output, so half (or more) of the work is being done by the Earth field in this type of setup that would be totally dependent on the Earth fields' contribution to the effect.

By contrast, when you pulse DC or apply AC, the produced fluctuation is continuously controlling all aspects of the biasing polarity changes in the core so the Earth field is just there as an impartial observer and not really participating to any great degree in adding its impress to the overall system. Actually the Earth field would be acting as a constant break or damper in these circumstances because it supplies a its own bias orientation against the two polarities of the pulse. Yes it will be very slight but it will always be there all the same.

So this would be more of a passive system that would be harnessing energy from the Earth field. Cool.

@gotoluc and @woopy

If there is Earth bias at play, maybe consider placing a ground wire at different locations on the MOT core via a remote switch to see if while the I core passes through, does the output change. Maybe the Earth ground can be used on the E core to create an even greater change. With the ground being switched you can try switching in the ground when the I core is at closest position to see if there are not only regions of the core but timing as well to apply the ground against the Earth field bias. Coils love change so the name of the game is to increase the change via any minimal energy consuming method. Also, the I core (on a pivot) could be grounded to see the effect of Earth ground (I core) meeting Earth field (E core). Just more ways to play. hehehe

wattsup
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 17, 2014, 05:18:45 PM
http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg397287/#msg397287
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 17, 2014, 06:31:56 PM

 Are you saying you built it or taking numbers out of context from the link you posted?
Agree.  Nowhere in the pdf did it say they were using 1KW input on that situation.   But another quote from the pdf : "-we are about a day and 1/2 from having a self-running QEG in Taiwan - we'll have a video after that. "
I'd give 'em 5 days.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: woopy on April 17, 2014, 07:27:56 PM
Hi Wattsup

thank's for your input.

I tried your proposal as to close one leg of the 2 opposite U cores and let pass the alu rotor only on the other side. It work also but seems not better than when it cross the 2 cores as per my video. Than i put a magnet between one end of the core , but by simply passing the alu rotor i clearly feel the braking due to Eddy currents, so it will change the basis of the aim of this experiment.

Than i redo the montage with one core/coil as per my first video, (for info, when dismantled, i have checked the magnetism with a compass to be sure there is no residual magnetism in the core ) and i tried to accelerate the rotor
. I have got ,  good result and resonnace tuning, but above 3500 rpm , my rotor began to unbalance , and knocked the core and game over.

So for me this experiment was just to check the variation of inductance and the effect. But i will stop here and wait for further result from the QEG people, if any.

Anyway very interesting stuff, once more, to improve my knowledge.

Good luck to you and all

Laurent
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 17, 2014, 09:44:52 PM
Agree.  Nowhere in the pdf did it say they were using 1KW input on that situation.   But another quote from the pdf : "-we are about a day and 1/2 from having a self-running QEG in Taiwan - we'll have a video after that. "
I'd give 'em 5 days.


True there was no mention of the input wattage, however, that PDF was dated April 4th... it has already been 13 days and counting.


-- Somewhere in the discussion it was mentioned that the machine had to be "re-tuned" each time it is moved. This lends credence to the idea that the earths magnetic fields are influencing the machine in some significant way.[size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 10:47:14 PM


 What does the Q mean in QED?


 Lets look at a very long series on what is currently being seen and the new revelations of what it means...


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7UOCw-FsIc


 This is a 6 part series. Please watch it all to fully understand what is being understood and how they are proving it.

 And I will back out of this discussion. There is a lot being discovered and what is being discovered is a lot of flim flam to make things work with our current models. This is an exciting time to be alive as we start proving the old entrenched theories wrong or skewed. Now it is up to us to admit that we could be wrong and have the courage to put it right.

 I doubt some would even take the time to really understand this video series. Those people are sheeple. They are taught from day one to obey and not question. They will not go along till there is a real device to prove it. They are not my and others concern. Who is our concern are the ones who want the truth or as near as we can see the truth. You want to know what it is all about then watch the whole series of videos. Thank you for your time.

 May the Universe bless you all with abundance,
 jbignes5
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 18, 2014, 01:55:18 AM
Wattsup:

This is off topic but it is worth mentioning.

I am not sure what effect you are referring to for the Rodin coil?  A vortex?

Look, you know what the magnetic field is like around a very long straight wire carrying DC current, right?  You know that a shorter length of straight wire will have approximately the same magnetic field pattern.  You know that the magnetic field at any point in space is represented by a vector.  You know how vectors add together.

So why can't you just crunch this in your head?  Let's look at a "Rodin starship" coil, because it ties directly into what I said above.  The starship coil is just a bunch of straight lengths of wire.  Visualize the field from each wire, and add them all together as a vector addition in your head.  You visualize how on the outer "points" there is quite a bot of vector cancellation.   When you back up a bit and look at it from further away, what do you have?

The answer is just a lousy version of a regular cylindrical coil.  You use more wire to get the same inductance, and there is a lot of useless magnetic vector cancellation.  The Rodin starship coil will always be beat out by a regular coil.

What about a vortex?  When you do the vector addition in your head, do you get a vortex or not?

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 18, 2014, 03:42:46 AM
Quote from: MilesHigher
What about a vortex?  When you do the vector addition in your head, do you get a vortex or not?

You mean, like a headache?  A vortex in the head?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wattsup on April 18, 2014, 04:01:53 PM
@MH

Why are you talking about a Starship coil? And why do I have to get something in my head? Because you said so? That's coming on kind of strong there man.

The Rodin coil is several coils in one, each coil goes around and over several times over the stator, put all the coils together and you do start to produce a turning impress. There is no cancellation and no crossing wires. Call it vortex, call it spinning field, call it what you want, who cares about the name. As long as a pulse can move successively around the inside wall of an alternator, that is exactly the idea.

Whatever it is, it seems like a sphere magnet really likes it. So why not a stator that just loves the same thing. Might require stouter wire and like I explained, it may require a ramping up to get it going and surely there is R&D involved. I think I portrayed the idea as realistically as possible. I will try it eventually but these days my bench is kind of full.

@woopy

Thanks so much for trying those and providing your results. The single side by side one is not that surprising since less core is exposed, but the one with magnets could still require further tests using maybe a single weaker magnet, or two weaker magnets in repulsion (souths out try, then norths out try) held in place between their mutual end. Since in the Northern Hemisphere the south field is predominant using a two magnets with north field facing into both cores ends would be a logical trial. It is when playing with all the variables that an effect can be found. If you don't play, you won't score so thanks again. Sorry to learn about the breakage. Keep well and thanks again.

@gotoluc

Got in late last night. Will do the solenoid throw distance measurement today.

wattsup

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 18, 2014, 05:27:54 PM
Wattsup:

A regular cylindrical coil will make a ball magnet spin much better than a Rodin coil.

Quote
The Rodin coil is several coils in one, each coil goes around and over several times over the stator, put all the coils together and you do start to produce a turning impress. There is no cancellation and no crossing wires.

It's not several coils in one and there is no turning impress.  Put DC through a regular Rodin coil or a starship Rodin coil and you will get a static unchanging magnetic field just like you will for a regular coil.  There is tons of magnetic field self-cancellation going on in a Rodin coil, and there is also self-cancellation happening in a regular coil.  There is no spinning anything happening anywhere in a Rodin coil.  I guess that you can't visualize this so I give up.

Like I said, a Rodin coil is a piece of electronics quackery.

Look, a simple diagram with two parallel wires A and B with DC current in each wire flowing left to right:


[region of addition]

A >---------------->

[region of cancellation]

B >---------------->

[region of addition]


Now, let's have wire A and wire B carry current in opposite directions:



[region of cancellation]

A >---------------->

[region of addition]

B <----------------<

[region of cancellation]


If you can't apply this to a Rodin starship coil or any arrangement of current carrying wire by visualizing this in your mind then you have to go back to basics.  I will repeat that a Rodin starship coil is full of areas where the magnetic field cancels itself out.  That means that some of the wire in the starship coil is not doing anything useful, it's just acting as a resistor burning off power for nothing.  A regular cylindrical coil will be more efficient than a Rodin coil every time.  I define efficiency in this case as how much magnetic fiux you can produce for a given length of wire.  You could also define it as how much magnetic flux you can produce per watt of resistive power loss in the wire.  A cylindrical coil wins out in both cases.

One of the most abused terms on the free energy forums is "efficiency."   An example, "That pulse motor is very efficient."  That statement is meaningless.  Call that a micro rant.

Anyway, this is off topic so back to the QEG.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 18, 2014, 06:01:44 PM
Here are some links to my little look into the Rodin coil.  As far as I can tell any coil wound the "Starship" way with the wires distancing themselves far from the torus would just let the magnetic field escape and dissipate itself every which way.  Only a coil that completely covered the torus form and stayed right up against it would contain and twist the magnetic field in the way I describe in the videos.  I think it was IBM research labs that did a good quantitative study on the Rodin coil and they found the only unusual things about it was that it has a slightly higher than usual amount of inductance for an air core coil, and that the use of a ferrite core fails to increase the inductance of the coil in any significant way.

Part 1:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DyaRzVxp2Y

Part 2:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBrdLYxCisI

Part 3:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdrZB4UTvxI

Please forgive the simple production of these videos.  They were the first ones I made some years ago.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 18, 2014, 09:18:17 PM
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Freezer on April 18, 2014, 09:50:57 PM
@MH

Why are you talking about a Starship coil? And why do I have to get something in my head? Because you said so? That's coming on kind of strong there man.

The Rodin coil is several coils in one, each coil goes around and over several times over the stator, put all the coils together and you do start to produce a turning impress. There is no cancellation and no crossing wires. Call it vortex, call it spinning field, call it what you want, who cares about the name. As long as a pulse can move successively around the inside wall of an alternator, that is exactly the idea.

Whatever it is, it seems like a sphere magnet really likes it. So why not a stator that just loves the same thing. Might require stouter wire and like I explained, it may require a ramping up to get it going and surely there is R&D involved. I think I portrayed the idea as realistically as possible. I will try it eventually but these days my bench is kind of full.

Honestly I don't think anyone has really built a true rodin coil.  I built a couple, but I wouldn't say they are true rodin coils.  He stated that the wire has to be changing in diameter through each winding, but there is no wire available such as this, that I know of, and I have never seen anyone wind a coil with this kind of wire.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 18, 2014, 10:14:08 PM
F_Brown,

Your clips are very nicely done.  Note that Marko Rodin and the QEG team make similar claims that quantum or some kind of zero point energy enters the coil.  There is a clip from a few years ago where Marko rather smugly claims that his coil will solve the world's energy problems.  How long have people been playing with Rodin coils now, perhaps five or more years?

Suppose you do a real "Black Box" experiment.  You put a Rodin coil inside a shoe box and a regular cylindrical coil inside another shoe box.  Each box has two terminal posts.  How do you check if what's in the shoe box is a regular coil or a Rodin coil?

The answer is that you can't, they both will behave approximately the same.  And therein lies the problem with the Rodin coil.  It's a farce.  Plus I bet you that Marko Rodin can't even tell you how a coil actually works.  When people do the "speaker" test and put a magnet on top of the coil to turn it into a speaker when they excite the coil, they are demonstrating something that has absolutely nothing to do with the coil itself.

Transformers for low frequency power applications or for high frequency radio and signal processing applications have been around for a long time.  If there was some sort of "magic secret sauce" it would have been found about 100 years ago.  It would not have been the WITTS group or the QEG group that "discovered" something.

I read that HopeGirl, Naima Feagin, is married to the lead engineer on the project, James Robitaille.  So between "Fix the World" and the QEG and the crowd funding and all the different variations thereof, don't be surprised if there are more than 100 "Donate" buttons that go into their portfolio of Paypal accounts.  That sounds like a two-year paid vacation in the making to me.

If the main claim is that when the QEG is at resonance that quantum energy is magically injected into the core then it won't happen.  A resonating LC circuit and the real quantum energy that physicists research and study have nothing to do with each other.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 18, 2014, 10:26:03 PM
Freezer,

Quote
He stated that the wire has to be changing in diameter through each winding

I find that laughable.  I wonder if anyone ever asked him why.

What is the magnetic field inside a wire of radius R?   What is the magnetic field outside a wire of radius R?  I will assume that Marko would not be able to answer those questions, he would choke.

The answers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUfZR33FblY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef9R3imCesY

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 18, 2014, 10:32:34 PM



 Wow again you have dragged me into this with your ignorant explanations.


" [size=78%]I read that HopeGirl, Naima Feagin, is married to the lead engineer on the project, James Robitaille.  So between "Fix the World" and the QEG and the crowd funding and all the different variations thereof, don't be surprised if there are more than 100 "Donate" buttons that go into their portfolio of Paypal accounts.  That sounds like a two-year paid vacation in the making to me.[/size]If the main claim is that when the QEG is at resonance that quantum energy is magically injected into the core then it won't happen.  A resonating LC circuit and the real quantum energy that physicists research and study have nothing to do with each other."


 It doesn't matter what you "Think" is happening with hopegirl. You are throwing BS in your rants to bring doubt to the claims of hopegirl. Lets stick to the facts like you have said many times.


 Again What is quantum anything? Is it something or nothing at all? Here is my take on this. If you have matter and it is in the quantum realm as atoms are then it has access to all the energy of the quantum world right? If energy could be imparted to the matter then it must come from what connects everything. Learning how to access this energy is the trick. Through resonance we know we can tune to certain frequencies right? Even the harmonic frequencies as well right? It's that simple and you need to stop stating BS about this.


 Again lets wait before you give judgement of a field of work that you have no education in or even the first clue about. You are clueless in this area and hence why you have the same stance as the others who lived over 100 years ago. The earth is flat you cry and now it is time to prove that or shut the yap and let them prove their take on this.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 18, 2014, 10:58:42 PM
Jbignes5:

You have to learn to debate without throwing a hissy fit.  The facts as far as we know right now are that there is no tangible concrete proof that the QEG is real.  The facts are that quantum energy and a resonating coil on a macro scale have nothing to do with each other.  The facts are that the only way to get power out of a coil is to have changing magnetic flux inside the coil.  The facts are that it takes real tangible electric power to create changing magnetic flux inside a coil.  Alternatively it takes real tangible mechanical power moving a magnet past a coil to create changing magnetic flux inside a coil.

You are the one speculating (or throwing BS) when you say this, "If you have matter and it is in the quantum realm as atoms are then it has access to all the energy of the quantum world right? If energy could be imparted to the matter then it must come from what connects everything. Learning how to access this energy is the trick."

That's all just pure speculation on your part.  The answer to our energy problems or the question about the validity of the QEG is not found by linking to a New Age YouTube clip or by singing Kumbaya around a campfire.

Quote
Again lets wait before you give judgement of a field of work that you have no education in or even the first clue about.

You are talking about yourself in the above statement.

Like it or not, many of us are fed up with "quantum plays" and "resonance plays" when it comes to alleged systems that are supposed to produce free energy.  Don't be surprised if the news gets bleaker and gloomier for the QEG proposition as time goes on.  That's my speculation and I have been correct in the past when it comes to things like this.

If that scenario turns out to indeed be true, then what are you left with?  The answer is money in various Paypal accounts where the owners of those Paypal accounts are accountable to nobody.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wattsup on April 18, 2014, 11:38:16 PM
@F_Brown

Thanks for your three videos on the Rodin. Also the little discussion of black holes is interesting. I can provide you with my own take on black holes of which I do not consider a Rodin to be anywhere near this type of level.

My take on the black holes, universe thing can be found here in case there is interest.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/theoreticals/

Your description of the two conductor Rodin, pulse one tank the other is not what I have in mind.  Once the Rodin is in place over an alternator stator, it will be pulsed to the resonance of the stator. This is where I have never seen a Rodin being used. The frequency will be much higher since of course the Rodin will not be able to work at the low rotary alternator frequencies that have drag pushing the effect to high amperage. This would be virtually initiated so lighter impress but higher frequency to try and push the effect.

Eventually I will build this and test it out.

@MH

All coils are useless if you don't find the good mix. Your negativity is not justified.

wattsup
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 19, 2014, 01:49:34 AM
F_Brown,

Your clips are very nicely done.  Note that Marko Rodin and the QEG team make similar claims that quantum or some kind of zero point energy enters the coil.  There is a clip from a few years ago where Marko rather smugly claims that his coil will solve the world's energy problems.  How long have people been playing with Rodin coils now, perhaps five or more years?


Marko states that the black hole formed in the center of the coil radiates photons, and all that one has to do to capture energy from the coil is to put photocells around the center of it to receive the emitted photons.  The trouble with Marko is that he refuses to learn traditional science as understood by credentialed scientists.   On the other hand credentialed scientists that have studied Marko's documents, state that what he presents is more like numerology or combinatorics rather than actual physics.  So, there is this chasm in communication between Marko and trained scientists that Marko has now given up all attempts at trying to cross because trained scientists have simply shown themselves time and time again to be incapable of understanding the validity and applicability of his vortex based mathematics.

Quote
 

Suppose you do a real "Black Box" experiment.  You put a Rodin coil inside a shoe box and a regular cylindrical coil inside another shoe box.  Each box has two terminal posts.  How do you check if what's in the shoe box is a regular coil or a Rodin coil?

The answer is that you can't, they both will behave approximately the same.  And therein lies the problem with the Rodin coil.  It's a farce.  Plus I bet you that Marko Rodin can't even tell you how a coil actually works.  When people do the "speaker" test and put a magnet on top of the coil to turn it into a speaker when they excite the coil, they are demonstrating something that has absolutely nothing to do with the coil itself.


I would expect if one used a hall sensor to map out to a sufficient degree of detail the magnetic field of a Rodin coil, a solenoid coil, and a toroidal coil all built with the same diameter and turns, that differentiating which coil was in the box by the magnetic field emitted from it would probable be possible.

Quote

Transformers for low frequency power applications or for high frequency radio and signal processing applications have been around for a long time.  If there was some sort of "magic secret sauce" it would have been found about 100 years ago.  It would not have been the WITTS group or the QEG group that "discovered" something.

I read that HopeGirl, Naima Feagin, is married to the lead engineer on the project, James Robitaille.  So between "Fix the World" and the QEG and the crowd funding and all the different variations thereof, don't be surprised if there are more than 100 "Donate" buttons that go into their portfolio of Paypal accounts.  That sounds like a two-year paid vacation in the making to me.

If the main claim is that when the QEG is at resonance that quantum energy is magically injected into the core then it won't happen.  A resonating LC circuit and the real quantum energy that physicists research and study have nothing to do with each other.

MileHigh

People seem to be buying delusions and lies like hotcakes these days, while truth is all too often ignored and ever more frequently prosecuted.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 19, 2014, 02:04:54 AM
@F_Brown

Thanks for your three videos on the Rodin. Also the little discussion of black holes is interesting. I can provide you with my own take on black holes of which I do not consider a Rodin to be anywhere near this type of level.

My take on the black holes, universe thing can be found here in case there is interest.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/theoreticals/ (http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/theoreticals/)

Your description of the two conductor Rodin, pulse one tank the other is not what I have in mind.  Once the Rodin is in place over an alternator stator, it will be pulsed to the resonance of the stator. This is where I have never seen a Rodin being used. The frequency will be much higher since of course the Rodin will not be able to work at the low rotary alternator frequencies that have drag pushing the effect to high amperage. This would be virtually initiated so lighter impress but higher frequency to try and push the effect.

Eventually I will build this and test it out.

wattsup

There have been people exploring Rodin coil to Rodin coil transfer of signals and energy.  The I think the IBM group said it might have some potential for use as an antenna for high frequency stuff.  That report was on the web, although one really has to hunt for it.  I have yet to look into such things.  Alas, I also think I was far from creating a bench-top black hole by putting a couple of amps through a hundred or so turns of thin wire.  I do want to build a larger coil with multiple layers of 12 or 10 gauge wire and put some significant power into one, however there are so many other things work on that I find the time and expense that would take to be of low priority, maybe someday.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 19, 2014, 02:09:31 AM
F_Brown:

It's almost funny with Marko talking about a black hole forming at the center of his coil.  It's because black holes do radiate high-energy photons when mass is sucked into them.  Has Marko done the photocell experiment?  Is he talking about a "ring" black hole inside the donut or is he talking about a point black hole at the very center of the donut I wonder.

I am assuming that you are aware of what a black hole is.  How Marko can utter that nonsense with a straight face or how people can listen to him state that with straight faces is beyond me.

I don't expect that Marko will explain how his nano black holes mysteriously appear and where all the extra mass suddenly comes from.  Hey, it might be a million tons of mass that forms the ring inside the donut.  I am surprised that he hasn't sucked himself out of existence and gone out in a blaze of x-ray and gamma ray photon glory.

The chasm is really really wide.  lol

It may indeed be possible to see differences in the magnetic field pattern.  But normally when you are discussing the energy dynamics of a coil, you talk about the electrical properties of a two-terminal device.  You will be able to see different two-terminal behaviour but both behaviours will look like inductors.  Something like observing a 200 millihenry inductor in one shoe box and a 214 millihenry inductor in the other shoe box.  In other words, no tangible difference between the two.

Delusions, indeed.  Let's see how Naima and James manage the next six months in their lives.  I am guessing that they will "go dark" and disappear from the Internet.  Of course the conspiracy theorists will have their own explanation for that.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 19, 2014, 02:32:32 AM
Marko can say that stuff with a straight face because he's never studied physics.  He simple lacks the information required for him to realize just how ridiculous his statements sound to people who have studied physics.  Anyway, it's kind of amusing how the twisted structure of the magnetic field in the center of the coil might possibly be able to have some effect on the fabric of space time, if--and this is a big if--it were sufficient intense.  Apparently the formation of this twisted magnetic field in the center of the coil, that's been called a vortex, has been reasonably shown to occur, although this is quite different from the vortices that Marko talks about forming along the sheer lines of the windings.  Anyway, just how intense would it need to be to form a pseudo black hole, or if it even could, who knows?  I expect though, how ever intense that is, it will remain beyond the means of my workshop.

If this QEG proves to be a dud, I've been wondering what the Taiwanese are going to do to them.  They're kind of stuck there until they let them out. 

Bruce Depalma got people to spend millions to build ever bigger versions of his machine, each and every one of which failed to operate over-unity.  Joseph Neuman went on and on about his machine for decades without ever proving over-unity.  Oh well...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 19, 2014, 03:03:46 AM
Hi Stefan,

I looked through the Q & A link you posted but could not find where they say the input is 1KW

Luc

Yes, that was not in the Q&A section,
but as they have stated before, at the maximum output of about 9300 Watts they had about 1 KWatts of input as stated by
Robitaile in the interview with Sterling Allan ( actually he said only he had around 1/10th the input of the output)

So I assumed, that they now in Taiwan with the second prototype they are building only getting about 420 Watts out at the maximum input, which is supposedly 1 KWatts....

I also wonder, why they at all went through the trouble of travelling to Taiwan to build another
prototype and not just verified their first prototype first, which Robitaille has build himself in his garage ?

Did he make output measurement errors at his home, when he saw and measured the "raw power" ??

Maybe he made the wrong conclusions just measuring open circuit voltage in the  KVolt range and just only
shortcircuit current in the amp range and concluded from it, that just by multiplying he could get 10 KWatts
of output power, but never really measured the actual output power on real loads ?
Although he stated to Sterling Allan in his interview, that he tested it with lamps and heater elements...

Hmm...normally these measurements are not too hard to do to get at least a measurement done without too much
error range..
How did he measure the 9300 Watts he mentioned in the interview ?
Sterling also did not ask him that question, which was unfortunately the only question he really should have pushed and shopuld have demanded answers from him...

So I wonder what they will show in Marrokko and what they will show, when they are back home in the USA again...

Will it then come out, that he just had measurement errors in the garage with his own prototype and maybe they
had better measurement equipment in Taiwan, so they did not make the measurement errors there and saw the
real output, which was only 420 Watts and not 9300 Watts at around 1 KWatts of input power ?

I also wonder, if the people, who donated lots of money will say, if they can not show a selfrunnig device and
all will fail. Will they demand their money back ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 19, 2014, 03:24:00 AM
This whole thing has played out oddly...all this hype, all the visions...and now nothing ?

Hmmm, maybe somebody sent some Malaysian plane tickets to some family members of Robitaille.

Regards...


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 19, 2014, 03:24:28 AM
JL Naudin looked into the vortex stuff some time ago:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/torsion.htm

It's all interesting, although he stopped short of taking it to a useful point.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 19, 2014, 02:39:39 PM
JL Naudin looked into the vortex stuff some time ago:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/torsion.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/torsion.htm)

It's all interesting, although he stopped short of taking it to a useful point.


He did some good work, but as all others are found it always stop short of 100%. I have seen many that never make it to the forums and some have had 25 years work into their devices. perhaps one day it will happen but history has been cruel.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 19, 2014, 02:48:25 PM
If this QEG proves to be a dud, I've been wondering what the Taiwanese are going to do to them.  They're kind of stuck there until they let them out. 
I am a frequent visitor to Taiwan, they are a good country and good people. They are not being held and will leave eventually when their hosts kind of figure out they have been had. i do not think they will be in any through or danger, but will not be welcome back. I think it will be a big embarrassment for the Taiwan Company and Chinese , they will be in damage control.
 I am more concerned about the good people of Morocco who will be left with a non working devcie.
Meantime HopeGirl orders anotehr martini at 30,000 ft lol
Kind Regards
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 19, 2014, 03:49:13 PM
Jbignes5:

You have to learn to debate without throwing a hissy fit.  The facts as far as we know right now are that there is no tangible concrete proof that the QEG is real.  The facts are that quantum energy and a resonating coil on a macro scale have nothing to do with each other.  The facts are that the only way to get power out of a coil is to have changing magnetic flux inside the coil.  The facts are that it takes real tangible electric power to create changing magnetic flux inside a coil.  Alternatively it takes real tangible mechanical power moving a magnet past a coil to create changing magnetic flux inside a coil.

You are the one speculating (or throwing BS) when you say this, "If you have matter and it is in the quantum realm as atoms are then it has access to all the energy of the quantum world right? If energy could be imparted to the matter then it must come from what connects everything. Learning how to access this energy is the trick."

That's all just pure speculation on your part.  The answer to our energy problems or the question about the validity of the QEG is not found by linking to a New Age YouTube clip or by singing Kumbaya around a campfire.

You are talking about yourself in the above statement.

Like it or not, many of us are fed up with "quantum plays" and "resonance plays" when it comes to alleged systems that are supposed to produce free energy.  Don't be surprised if the news gets bleaker and gloomier for the QEG proposition as time goes on.  That's my speculation and I have been correct in the past when it comes to things like this.

If that scenario turns out to indeed be true, then what are you left with?  The answer is money in various Paypal accounts where the owners of those Paypal accounts are accountable to nobody.

MileHigh


 The only speculation going on here is all the comments from people who do not have a device or even facts of the device. You and others are speculating that this is nothing but a scam with no proof.


 There is a reason for not much information right now and sitting round here demanding answers and speculating as to why there is no answers is doing little for anyone at all. Instead what you are doing is throwing flags from the sidelines with nothing as proof. Like I said the only thing we can do at this point is to sit and wait. Time will tell and no amount of speculation is gonna get answers at all.


 My conclusions were a response to all the BS being spread about this device even before they can get concrete evidence.


 One thing is for sure. There are a some here that have a lot to loose from a working device like this. This causes them to go into damage control and throw all kinds of logical fallacies to justify their bad behaviour, without knowing all the facts. We have very little to go on right now. The only thing we can do at this point is to wait and see. No amount of chest beating is gonna get us closer to understanding this process. No amount of character assassination or "Debate" without the facts will help either side. Although there is some credible evidence that this is genuine, there is just to many unanswered questions to fully understand weather it is legitimate at this point. The only thing I see is non factual speculation that this is a scam. Innuendo is not proof of anything but just a tactic by some to discredit something they have very little knowledge about.


 The world is not flat and everyone now knows this. This revelation took time and PROOF. We have Time but we have little proof either way here. So ranting and speculating about this is a big waste of time PERIOD.


 So I am requesting that only the facts be posted here. On that note you and others have no proof of fraud no matter how you look at it. PROOF not speculation. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 19, 2014, 05:02:07 PM
For those who believe the QEG is not possible:
An energy researcher died leaving his 17 pieces of test equipment to his three sons.

When his sons opened up the Will it read:
My eldest son should get 1/2 (half) of total pieces of test equipment;
My middle son should be given 1/3rd (one-third) of the total pieces of test equipment;
My youngest son should be given 1/9th (one-ninth) of the total pieces of test equipment.
 
As it’s impossible to divide 17 into half or 17 by 3 or 17 by 9, the three sons started to fight with each other.
 
So, they decided to go to an energy researcher friend who they considered quite smart, to see if he could work it out for them.
 
The energy researcher friend read the Will patiently, after giving due thought, he brought one of his own pieces of test equipment over and added it to the 17. That increased the total to 18 pieces of test equipment.
 
Now, he divided the pieces of test equipment according to their fathers Will.
 
Half of 18 = 9. So he gave the eldest son 9 pieces of test equipment.
1/3rd of 18 = 6. So he gave the middle son 6 pieces of test equipment.
1/9th of 18 = 2. So he gave the youngest son 2 pieces of test equipment.
 
Now add up how many pieces of test equipment they have:
Eldest son   = 9
Middle son   = 6
Youngest son = 2
 
TOTAL = 17
 
Now this leaves one piece of test equipment left over, so the energy researcher friend takes his piece of test equipment back to his shop.
 
Problem Solved!

Moral:
The attitude of negotiation and problem solving is to find the 18th piece of test equipment i.e. the common ground.  Once a person is able to find the 18th piece of test equipment the issue is resolved. It is difficult at times.
   
   However, to reach a solution, the first step is to believe that there is a solution!!   If we think that there is no solution, we won’t be able to reach any!

 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 19, 2014, 05:08:22 PM





 While we are on the subject of bad behaviors and tactics, lets look at yours and others.


Mark Dansie: "[size=78%] I am more concerned about the good people of Morocco who will be left with a non working devcie.[/size]Meantime HopeGirl orders anotehr martini at 30,000 ft lol"  Seculation and out right lie. Non factual


Cap-Z-Pro "This whole thing has played out oddly...all this hype, all the visions...and now nothing ?Hmmm, maybe somebody sent some Malaysian plane [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important]tickets[/color] to some family members of Robitaille."  Again Speculation and Innuendo.


MileHigh: "[size=78%]Like I said, a Rodin coil is a piece of electronics quackery." Speculation and innuendo.[/size]
[size=78%]                " [/size][size=78%]Transformers for low frequency power applications or for high frequency radio and signal processing applications have been around for a long time.  If there was some sort of "magic secret sauce" it would have been found about 100 years ago.  It would not have been the WITTS group or the QEG group that "discovered" something.[/size]I read that HopeGirl, Naima Feagin, is married to the lead engineer on the project, James Robitaille.  So between "Fix the World" and the QEG and the crowd funding and all the different variations thereof, don't be surprised if there are more than 100 "Donate" buttons that go into their portfolio of Paypal accounts.  That sounds like a two-year paid vacation in the making to me.If the main claim is that when the QEG is at resonance that quantum energy is magically injected into the core then it won't happen.  A resonating LC circuit and the real quantum energy that physicists research and study have nothing to do with each other."   Speculation, out right lies and innuendo.


 "What is the magnetic field inside a wire of radius R?   What is the magnetic field outside a wire of radius R?  I will assume that Marko would not be able to answer those questions, he would choke." Logical fallacy and out right BS.


 Here is a question for you: What is the electric field inside of a wire? What is the electric field outside of the wire? Why do you only focus on the magnetic field and not the ever present electric field we ALL know is there? Why is it that you ignore everything about the electric field yet totally focus on the magnetic? This is the main question! And this is why we have ignored this Electric field for over 100 years. It was Tesla who pointed to the electric field. It was Tesla who taught us that in order to reduce the losses that we must increase the electric potential of the current we want to transport over vast distances. These are FACTS. We use those facts every day in our outdated electrical system, yet you and others choose to ignore and outright lie about those facts.


 All of those quotes are merely from the last two pages or so of this single thread. Not to mention all of the other threads you have corrupted with your narrow minded closed system. FYI there is no such thing as a closed system. That is an ideal system which no real system that you or me use is. All systems are subject to outside interference. In fact most devices state that explicitly on the label. All systems are indeed open to interference although some are more resistant to this interference than others but they are still open to a degree.


 Now resonance is a process of selective openness. This means it has been designed to be more open on one small band. It rejects or filters a good amount of the rest of the band and in this process it amplifies the selected band through resonance. Otherwise Radios and communications would otherwise be impossible.




 We are stuck in our endeavours for over 100 years because they rejected the Ideas of Tesla after he had created sooo many wonderful devices and systems. They took what could make them the most money and rejected the ones that would free us as a civilization. This has retarded most from finding free energy and caused a rift between the ones who know this Universe is infinite and the ones who think it is finite. That rift is waning away and a new understanding of the Universe is unfolding, no matter how you feel about that, it is a reality. No amount of you or others behaving badly will counter this new understanding. What it will do is show how limited you guys think and how limited you think you are keeping us.


 I feel really bad about how you are gonna feel once a system is proven to conform to these FACTS we are discovering. What a shame it will be to hear about your suicide because you felt soo bad to the way you have treated others in your quest to suppress the TRUTH. All of nature does not conform to your close minded system. It runs not on fuel but merely on the whole (unity) of the universe. We live in environments and as we are finding out those environments can be influenced by further out environments. Take for example our own earth. If it is a truly closed system then we have nothing to fear from solar storms but is that statement true at all? ABSOLUTELY NOT! No system is truly closed and hence why we might be headed for some really bad days ahead from our suns activities. All planets in our solar system are being affected by the suns influence, not just the planet earth. All of the planets are heating up due to the suns influence. This is not pseudo-science it is REAL FACTS.


 I have not seen one fact come from your side. NOT ONE. It is all supposition and innuendo and frankly I am choosing to abstain from this community from now on. I have my plan and so do others and you do not fit into those plans. Once I get my system up and running I am leaving this crap behind me and taking my family to a place of caring and love for my fellow man. You in my opinion are not a man but a sheeple. You can not go beyond you limited world and that is not a world I want to belong to anymore. I tire of this crap and I'm tired of hearing your junk science. In your world you will run out of fuel and will wither and die. In my world we have limitless energy and bountiful returns of everything we desire. I choose my world and what you choose is death. So be it.


 I am finally disconnecting from this forum. It is a choice I am forced to do. Not because of some of the other great thinkers and doers here but because I can not stand the bad taste I get from seeing posts like you and others have forced upon us here. I have my course already set and I am not going to deviate from that now.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 19, 2014, 05:20:11 PM

 While we are on the subject of bad behaviors and tactics, lets look at yours and others.

Mark Dansie: "[size=78%] I am more concerned about the good people of Morocco who will be left with a non working devcie.[/size]Meantime HopeGirl orders anotehr martini at 30,000 ft lol"  Seculation and out right lie. Non factual


 I am finally disconnecting from this forum. It is a choice I am forced to do. Not because of some of the other great thinkers and doers here but because I can not stand the bad taste I get from seeing posts like you and others have forced upon us here. I have my course already set and I am not going to deviate from that now.


I agree the martini at 30,000 ft was speculation and a poor attempt at humor. However until they receive a working device in Morocco then the fact they do not have one is fact. I think you have fact mixed up with faith and speculation.
Good luck on your journey and as I always say...enjoy the journey the outcome of destination is secondary.
Kind Regards
Mark


PS why did HopeGirl say they had a free energy working device when fund raising when they did not??? Fact??
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vince on April 19, 2014, 05:49:05 PM
@ GOtoluc


Luc ,I want to ask your opinion on your earlier test with the MOT s and the rotating end plates.
If there was no issue with added motor load and slapping of the end plate on the core do you think that it could have generated usable power?


Vince
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 19, 2014, 06:57:52 PM
Jbignes5:

You are welcome to link to someone doing something useful with a Rodin coil.  Spinning a magnetic ball and making an audio speaker are just parlor tricks.

I can certainly speculate, but I don't make outright lies.  You should be ashamed of yourself for repeatedly making that allegation about me.

You speculate yourself.  People can read threads and get differing opinions.  That is a good thing and I am always concerned about people wasting money on unproven and sometimes ridiculous free energy propositions.  That's just my thing.  I strongly disagree with the laissez faire attitude where people don't care about that.  What do you think the Consumer Reports magazine is all about.  It's to inform people that can't possibly be experts in everything so that they don't buy crappy cars or crappy appliances and instead they can spend their money wisely and get good value.

The electric field inside of a wire is normally incredibly weak because there is no electric field inside an ideal conductor.  A wire is close to an ideal conductor hence the electric field is very weak.

Quote
And this is why we have ignored this Electric field for over 100 years.

You are showing the readers how limited your understanding is.  I am sorry, but I must point it out because it explains the backdrop behind your attitude and world view.  You consume "supermarket tabloid trash" about electronics and energy and believe that it is real.  That's not a good position to be in and it results in you giving advice and rendering judgments that are way off the mark.  If you are really leaving, and you are truly interested in this subject matter, then do yourself a favour and educate yourself.  If you just say, "conventional electronics and engineering is all crap that they want to program into you" then you lose big time.

Quote
Now resonance is a process of selective openness. This means it has been designed to be more open on one small band. It rejects or filters a good amount of the rest of the band and in this process it amplifies the selected band through resonance.

I suggest that you learn what resonance really is.  Start with a bell ringing.  Why does a bell ring?  What's really happening there?  How do you explain a bell ringing in scientific terms?  Then move on to electrical resonance and you will see that they are one in the same.

Tesla was a very smart man and an electrical pioneer.  But from what I can see there are no hidden Tesla secrets that will free us all.  That is the "Tesla tabloid trash" industry that has taken advantage of his name and exploited him and what he did for their own reasons.  Look  at HopeGirl and her group, they are doing it also.  That may be upsetting to you but it's the truth from my perspective.  There was no free energy Tesla car, there was no magic Tesla shaker that almost destroyed a big building.  The whole era that Tesla lived in was a time when journalism was out of control and the public had not yet wised up and incorporated cynicism into their world view.  In other words, the vast majority of the public believed what they read and newspaper men and others exploited this fact for their own personal gain or to advance an agenda.

There are some facts that we can all agree on.  HopeGirl made definitive statements that the QEG works.  Nobody has verified that the QEG works.  HopeGirl and her entourage are running around the world to allegedly teach people how to make their own QEGs.

Good luck in your future endeavours.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wattsup on April 19, 2014, 09:27:55 PM
@gotoluc

About the solenoid, I decided to save hassles and did a quick test myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD-m0ujg88U

Basically there is no effect worth mentioning. I could only pulse the thing up to around 9Hz - hehehe - that was lame but fun to do anyways. I needed a break from my FTPU studies. At least that is coming along well and I have learned  so much with the FTPU.

I could see on the scope some peaks that were pretty good but no output to talk about. Just not fast enough. This would require something with much more speed like a small motor turning a camshaft or an off centered wheel type arrangement and much more precision worksmanship then my hastily made set-up. 

So back to my bench and more FTPUing.

wattsup

PS: Now lets see, an alternator coil and a Rodin coil. Hmmmmmm.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 20, 2014, 05:22:57 AM
@ GOtoluc


Luc ,I want to ask your opinion on your earlier test with the MOT s and the rotating end plates.
If there was no issue with added motor load and slapping of the end plate on the core do you think that it could have generated usable power?


Vince

Hi Vince,

I don't know if you saw test 3 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jYPDuueY0

In this test the cores don't rub at any time since I can control the Resonance by having the bulbs on the high voltage coil. It's clear that as resonance builds, so does the need of more input power to the motor. At a stable Resonant point it was about 10 watts more to the motor then with no resonance. If this device was operating at unity the each bulb would have 5 watts and I know these 40 watt bulbs start to glow at 5 watts. They were not glowing and I estimated about 2 watts to each bulb. My guess is the rest of the power (6 watts) is lost in the 160 Ohm series high voltage coils.

My test device is far from Unity.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 20, 2014, 05:41:12 AM
@gotoluc

About the solenoid, I decided to save hassles and did a quick test myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD-m0ujg88U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD-m0ujg88U)

Basically there is no effect worth mentioning. I could only pulse the thing up to around 9Hz - hehehe - that was lame but fun to do anyways. I needed a break from my FTPU studies. At least that is coming along well and I have learned  so much with the FTPU.

I could see on the scope some peaks that were pretty good but no output to talk about. Just not fast enough. This would require something with much more speed like a small motor turning a camshaft or an off centered wheel type arrangement and much more precision worksmanship then my hastily made set-up. 

So back to my bench and more FTPUing.

wattsup

PS: Now lets see, an alternator coil and a Rodin coil. Hmmmmmm.

Thanks wattsup for going the extra mile and doing the test yourself. I kind of knew you wouldn't be able to get a frequency higher than 10Hz with a solenoid. That's why I asked you to test frequency and movement (distance)

Also, to get Resonance you would have to connect the high voltage coil to a capacitor. I would think you would need quite a large AC capacitor with your Inductance and frequency being lower then my test device. My guess the capacitor could be in the 25uf to 35uf range.

I also don't know how much of an Inductance swing you need for it to kick in.

Anyways, thanks for giving it your best shot and taking the time to make a video demo on top of it all.

Excellent job my friend.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 20, 2014, 08:23:41 PM
Without windings on the rotor there would be very little lenz force on it to slow it down.  Only small eddie currents in the rotor lamination would cause any lenz loading, so the dominant behavior of the motor would be to just drop the output voltage and current rather then slow down due to loading.

I just modeled a tank circuit attempting to simulate the parametric drive of the QEG.  The first thing I found out was that LTSpice refuses to compute a time varying value for an inductor.  So, I ran a steady state sim just to see what happens with the voltages and currents in the tank.  Low and behold I got this, see attached image.

The peak voltage and current that built up with a 15 henry inductor with 50 ohms DC resistance and a 10 nano farad capacitor was about 29kV and the current was about 750mA.  Multiplying these values by 1.414, and then multiplying the results by each other yields an RMS value of about 11kW of recirculating energy in the tank circuit.  I chose the value of 15 henries for the inductance because James said his machine was operating between 10 and 20 henries, and 10 nano-farads for the capacitor because that set the resonant frequency at 411Hz.

In my model I1 is being used to drive the tank circuit, and B1 is being used to add some noise into the circuit.  Since the Inductor has 50 ohms of DC resistance it is dissipating energy.  The cap is also dissipating some energy although I set it's equivalent series resistance at 100 milli-ohms so that dissipation negligible.   

I am sure that the energy dissipated by the inductor is equal to the energy being added to the circuit by the current source driving the circuit, I1.

The value I got for the recirculating energy in my tank sim is so close to what James is claiming as peak output, that I'm getting the impression that James reported the value of the recirculating energy in the tank circuit as dissipated energy in the output load of the circuit.  Perhaps he is thinking of this as "generated energy."  A trained engineer would simply know better than to make that mistake. 

By the way this recirculating energy is what Joseph Newman was showing people.  He would say look, I turn the machine on and in just a few seconds it generates all this energy.  The problem is he failed to ever demonstrate a way to get the energy out of the machine on a continuous basis to do something useful.  It was Senator John Glenn that finally put him on the spot, and showed Newman's claim to be false.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 20, 2014, 10:57:51 PM
F_Brown,

You make a lot of good points and I will make a few comments.

For starters, a varying inductance in a circuit is unusual, but in theory it would be possible to jury-rig somehow.  It will not produce energy in any way, shape, or form.  The classic example is a spinning figure skater with extended arms.  When he or she retracts their arms, they speed up.  They speed up because energy is conserved.  That is literally an example of a mechanical inductor where the inductance changes with time.

I am not comfortable with the concept of power recirculating in an LC tank.  An LC tank is just a dynamic way to store energy, and power is a different thing altogether.   For example, you can say that at the peak voltage, the capacitor is storing 10 Joules of energy.  At peak current, the inductor is storing 10 Joules of energy.  When the energy is transferring from one to the other, it's still just 10 Joules of energy.

So in the real world, and in the case of the QEG, and using arbitrary values for illustrative purposes, you can state that the LC resonator in the QEG stores 10 Joules of energy, and there is a bleed off of power due to the wire resistance of 1 watt of power.  Since we are assuming that the energy in the LC resonator remains constant, then by definition the spinning rotor is injecting 1 watt of power into the LC resonator.  I will repeat, any varying inductance is just a side show, it does not affect the fundamental energy dynamics of what is taking place.

So going back to the QEG, when you are not in resonance, you still have an LC circuit that has the capability of storing energy.  It will be less energy when not in resonance at some given set of frequencies above and below the resonant frequency, hence the bleed off of power will be lower, and the adding of power will be lower.

We will assume the drive motor is 90% efficient.

Something like this:

                                              Energy stored in LC -  Power bleed from LC - Power injection into LC - Drive motor power
Below resonant frequency                 1 Joule                     0.1 watts                     0.1 watts                     0.11 watts
At resonant frequency                      10 Joules                     1 watt                         1 watt                       1.11 watts
Above resonant frequency                 1 Joule                     0.1 watts                     0.1 watts                     0.11 watts

So, if you are following this, the big jump in the LC resonator voltage at resonance just means it will store more energy, and as a result there will be a bigger power drain due to the wire resistance, requiring more power from the drive motor.

Now what happens when you add a light bulb load?  Since there is high voltage in the LC resonator, that will facilitate exporting power into the the light bulb load.  We assume that the peak voltage across the resonator will decrease because of the load.  That means less energy is stored in the resonator.  More critically, since you are at resonance, that means the LC resonator is more "receptive" to pumping more AC power into it at the right AC frequency.  The power is pumped into the LC resonator + light bulbs by the spinning rotor of the drive motor.

So you end up with an energy and power balance that looks something like this:

We will assume that the light bulb load draws 20 watts of power.  (I am always using simplified values for illustrative purposes)

                                              Energy stored in LC -  Power bleed from LC - Power injection into LC - Drive motor power
Resonance will light bulb load:             5 Joules                  20.05 watts                20.05 watts                  22.28 watts

So what this means is that when you hit resonance, the LC resonator facilitates the transfer of the mechanical power supplied by the motor into the the LC resonator and into the light bulbs.

If this is indeed what is truly happening, then the whole thing is either a) a con job to rake in money with no accountability, or b) a complete and total farce by people that have no clue what they are doing.

Note option b) is somewhat akin to a form of criminal negligence.  The law does not or should not allow you to be so stupid or so ignorant that you end up hurting people financially.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 20, 2014, 11:54:26 PM
F_Brown,

Quote
The value I got for the recirculating energy in my tank sim is so close to what James is claiming as peak output, that I'm getting the impression that James reported the value of the recirculating energy in the tank circuit as dissipated energy in the output load of the circuit.  Perhaps he is thinking of this as "generated energy."  A trained engineer would simply know better than to make that mistake.

Somewhere in the FTQ/HopeGirl online information they state that James M. Robitaille's name is on about 20 patents related to his working career.

For starters, I don't know if he truly is an engineer.  Does he have his diploma and is he a member of the engineering governing body in the United States, I don't know.  That is to be determined.

With respect to his name being on about 20 patents, in many cases there is a team of people that get their name on a patent.  It's actually the company's patent because when you work for a high tech company you typically sign an agreement where you give up any intellectual property that you develop over to your employer.

So, that means that James M. Robitaille did not necessarily develop the IP that went into the 20 or more patents.  He could have just been a bench technician that assisted the lead engineer or engineers on a given project.

I am just making it clear that until definitive information about his credentials or lack or credentials comes forth, then don't assume anything.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 21, 2014, 12:02:07 AM
F_Brown,

Somewhere in the FTQ/HopeGirl online information they state that James M. Robitaille's name is on about 20 patents related to his working career.

For starters, I don't know if he truly is an engineer.  Does he have his diploma and is he a member of the engineering governing body in the United States, I don't know.  That is to be determined.

With respect to his name being on about 20 patents, in many cases there is a team of people that get their name on a patent.  It's actually the company's patent because when you work for a high tech company you typically sign an agreement where you give up any intellectual property that you develop over to your employer.

So, that means that James M. Robitaille did not necessarily develop the IP that went into the 20 or more patents.  He could have just been a bench technician that assisted the lead engineer or engineers on a given project.

I am just making it clear that until definitive information about his credentials or lack or credentials comes forth, then don't assume anything.

MileHigh


I think it was in the SA interview, that it was stated he was a "self taught" engineer.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 12:08:01 AM
@MH:
http://emph.com.ua/11/pdf/fowler.pdf
 ;)
 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 12:15:17 AM

I think it was in the SA interview, that it was stated he was a "self taught" engineer.

You can get criminally prosecuted if you try to claim that you are an engineer when you aren't one.  If you are an ethical person you don't call yourself an engineer, even in passing, if you don't have your diploma and your papers.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 12:25:37 AM
TK,

In a slightly related matter, recently I saw somewhere that the US Navy is going in the direction of "Star Wars."  For short to medium range defense of ships they are going to use pulsed LASERs.  It only costs about a buck worth of energy to deliver a lethal pulse of light at an incoming hostile aircraft.  So instead of lobbing a half-million-dollar missile at the threat they will punch a hole into it with a LASER.

I saw how the US Navy just launched a brand new very stealthy destroyer, the USS Zumwalt.  I bet you it has the pulsing LASERs...

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/04/15/orig-jag-uss-zumwalt.cnn.html

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 21, 2014, 01:23:28 AM
TK,

In a slightly related matter, recently I saw somewhere that the US Navy is going in the direction of "Star Wars."  For short to medium range defense of ships they are going to use pulsed LASERs.  It only costs about a buck worth of energy to deliver a lethal pulse of light at an incoming hostile aircraft.  So instead of lobbing a half-million-dollar missile at the threat they will punch a hole into it with a LASER.

I saw how the US Navy just launched a brand new very stealthy destroyer, the USS Zumwalt.  I bet you it has the pulsing LASERs...

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/04/15/orig-jag-uss-zumwalt.cnn.html

MileHigh
I think that the primary concern is how fast and accurately they can target and disable fast moving, close-in threats. Missiles can't both go really fast, and turn tight arcs.

The Zumwalt is scheduled to get rail guns as well.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 21, 2014, 01:26:45 AM
You can get criminally prosecuted if you try to claim that you are an engineer when you aren't one.  If you are an ethical person you don't call yourself an engineer, even in passing, if you don't have your diploma and your papers.

MileHigh
The regulations vary state by state.  In order to set-up shop as an engineer for hire, one usually needs to be a registered, or professional engineer.  That requires having the appropriate degree and passing an examination.  However, in many states, one can be employed as an engineer without any particular documentation.  Only a small percentage of working engineers obtain certifications as professional engineers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on April 21, 2014, 02:00:22 AM
In my model I1 is being used to drive the tank circuit, and B1 is being used to add some noise into the circuit.  Since the Inductor has 50 ohms of DC resistance it is dissipating energy.  The cap is also dissipating some energy although I set it's equivalent series resistance at 100 milli-ohms so that dissipation negligible.   

I am sure that the energy dissipated by the inductor is equal to the energy being added to the circuit by the current source driving the circuit, I1.

The value I got for the recirculating energy in my tank sim is so close to what James is claiming as peak output, that I'm getting the impression that James reported the value of the recirculating energy in the tank circuit as dissipated energy in the output load of the circuit.  Perhaps he is thinking of this as "generated energy."  A trained engineer would simply know better than to make that mistake

By the way this recirculating energy is what Joseph Newman was showing people.  He would say look, I turn the machine on and in just a few seconds it generates all this energy.  The problem is he failed to ever demonstrate a way to get the energy out of the machine on a continuous basis to do something useful.  It was Senator John Glenn that finally put him on the spot, and showed Newman's claim to be false.

No need to be an engineer to understand that or recognize that beforehand.  :) Wouldn't it be more like "oscillating power" rather than recirculating power, it does go back and forth more than round and round.  ;D

Looks like a simple case of measuring the oscillating power and calling it output, not the first one and won't be the last. I think a few of us mentioned already that that was most likely the case. It is the same thing that people claim is evidence of free energy from Tesla's transmission devices, clearly it is not, this is a constant source of annoyance to me and others and it drags down the entire forum and community. You guys can imagine how difficult it is for someone like me to explain try to others about oscillating power/activity, power factor, reactive power and so forth, and that Tesla was not claiming any over unity from any of those transmission devices, it's an accumulation of active power I think because it is in phase, it can be used quickly "like to flash bulb" but then it is gone, depending on the ability of the supply and other circuit parameters depends on how long it will take to re-accumulate the same activity. 

Thank the heavens for the Engineers. Seriously, the same claims in a different box over and over again. The way to get reasonable proof of claims is to demand it and if it doesn't come then ignore them. Thing is people like to go against common sense, it seems like the "thing" to do these days.

Looks like these scammers are making a lot more money than the fake video ad - money / self runner people and in a much shorter period.

Cheers

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 21, 2014, 02:39:30 AM

Quote from: MilesHigher

In a slightly related matter, recently I saw somewhere that the US Navy is going in the direction of "Star Wars."

Aye, that trend has been in progress for quite some
time and it continues now with more public revelation.


Quote from: Generally Reliable Non-Military Source
You must inform the children of the world that this death and destruction is the plan of the evil world leaders, who are going about their demonically influenced ways to subjugate all of you even further than they have already done, and once again, they are planning on unleashing the instruments of death and destruction from their past wars, as well as dangerous new and more technologically advanced weapons, including weapons that have not yet been made known to you.

Even my military sources agree that the soon to come war
will be fought with weapons which until that time will have
been deeply classified devices.  Those military men also
agree that this war has long been planned by the "evil
world leaders."  It will be devastating for the whole planet.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 03:55:39 AM
MarkE:

Thanks for the comments and for the engineering issue it's about the same thing in Canada.

Farmhand:

Also great comments.   I will go back a few weeks and briefly discuss the children's swing "simulation" because it looks like the whole business with the QEG excitation with the rotor is essentially the same thing.  Note it's also the same situation when you have a pick-up coil on a pulse motor that is connected to a capacitor and it is being stimulated at the resonant frequency by the passing rotor magnets.

In all three cases you have a synchronous stimulation of an LC resonator where the stimulus "hits" the LC resonator for a brief time only and then it is completely decoupled from the resonator.  So for most of the time the resonator is free to oscillate without being disturbed or seeing the stimulus as a "back load."   By "back load" I mean that the LC resonator doesn't start discharging back through the stimulus because it's voltage is higher than the stimulus voltage.

Here is the circuit (Rev 0!) in very general terms:

The heart of the circuit is say a 1:100 transformer.  So we will view the transformer as a step-up transformer.  However, that's only for when you apply the stimulus.

The real purpose of the transformer is to act as an inductor, the "L" in the LC resonator.   The higher-turns secondary is the "L."   So as you can imagine you can connect a capacitor across the secondary and create your LC resonator.  All that you have to do is connect a charged capacitor to the secondary and capture the oscillations on your scope to precisely measure the LC resonant frequency.

The implementation of the temporary stimulus, "the swing push" is very easy and very familiar.  Let's assume that you have a 5-volt battery.   So you connect the +5 volts to the top of the primary.  You connect the bottom of the primary to the drain of your MOSFET.  The source of the MOSFET is connected to the battery ground.

With this very simple setup, when the MOSFET is on, you are pumping power into the LC resonator.  When the MOSFET is off, it's an open-circuit.  Therefore the primary "disappears" from the perspective of the LC resonator, it is not seen as a load where the secondary is trying to drive the primary.

Needless to say, if the secondary is open-circuit and you switch on the MOSFET, you will see 500 volts across the secondary.

The suggestion would be to have an LCR circuit on the secondary for initial testing.   The resistor would be across the secondary, i.e.; in parallel with the capacitor.

If you change the value of the R, it's like you're changing the "thickness" of the air using the child on a swing analogy.  The amount of time the MOSFET is on is analogous to the amount of time you push on the swing.

So if you pulse on the MOSFET at the resonant frequency you can play with the pulse length and the resistance, etc, etc.  The issue of the total wire resistance in comparison with how heavily or lightly you load the LC resonator gives insight into how the LC resonator will react, and so on.

So as you can see, this simple setup allows you to explore an LCR resonator below, at, and above the resonance frequency.  And it gives you a simulator for the child on a swing, a pulse motor pickup coil in resonance, or the QEG generator.

The key thing is to completely decouple from the LCR resonator after you apply your stimulus pulse.  The MOSFET going open-circuit when it is switched off does that for you.

This may end up being the sobering reality for the Fix the World/QEG people.  They are just playing with an LCR circuit and believing (or faking) in something that is simply not there.

Here is one more way to look at this whole setup:  Completely forget that there is a transformer.  All that you care about is the LCR resonator.  When the MOSFET switches on, the LCR resonator "experiences" an EMF injection of energy.   Can you see that?   In a synchronous fashion, the inductor in the LCR resonator will produce a "jolt of juice" seemingly from nowhere.  The inductor doesn't "know" that it's coupled to another inductor.  The only thing it "knows" is that an EMF source "appears" like a ghost and then disappears.

The one note of caution would be that if you pulse the setup at resonance with no resistor across the secondary, then you only have the wire resistance to deal with.  There is a possibility that the resonance voltage will get very high and explode your capacitors or damage your scope or something.  So the recommendation would be to start with a relatively low value load resistor to feel things out first.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 04:19:19 AM
Farmhand:

Naturally the easiest way to do this would be to simulate it.  But it could be a fun build also.

One thing that's a gray area for me is the transformer turns ratio.   In my Rev 0 I am sort of "over designing" the transformer turns ratio.

The logic is this:  With a "standard" pulse with and no resistor, the wire resistance itself will keep the resonator voltage below 500 volts.   So in other words, you are pulsing with an EMF pulse that has a theoretical value of 500 volts, but that never happens.   Supposing for the sake of argument the resonant oscillation peaks at 300 volts.  (I am intentionally simplifying and not worrying about peak-to-peak voltages)

Now supposing you change the transformer from a 1:100 transformer to a 1:10 transformer and you pulse with a "standard" pulse width.  Will the LC + wire resistance resonator also go to a peak voltage of 300 volts?  It might, and it might even go higher.  The reason for that is that chances are the 1:10 transformer will have a lower inherent wire resistance on the secondary.  So what if you add a series resistance to compensate and make it the same as the 1:100 transformer, what happens then?

Anyway, it's hopefully an interesting investigation even if it's just a thought experiment.  Doing pSpice simulations would be fun though.

But just to emphasize the point, this whole QEG thing could just be a mirage where a silly mistake is made where they think the observed resonant voltage will also be able to magically drive a 10 kilowatt load at the same voltage or something like that.  Or it's all nefarious.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 21, 2014, 04:53:52 AM
Farmhand,

Yes, oscillating power would be a better term.


Miles Higher,

Well, in my sim at the peak voltage level the cap stores 0.5 * 29,000^2 * 10e-9 = 4.2 joules.  That is perhaps the best indication of what we are dealing with here.  The result is the same for what the inductor stores at peak current:  0.5 * 0.75^2 * 15 = 4.2 joules.

The the 11kw of oscillating power is really an illusion, and falls like a rock when a load is added.  I evolved the model to include a load, see attached image.

With a 1 giga-ohm load the oscillating power results are pretty close to the results just quoted for the model without a load.  Additionally, about 17 watts are being drawn from the current source driving the tank circuit, of which 16.4 watts are being dissipated in the primary and 0.5 watts in the load.  Most of the rest of the dissipation is in the cap with a tiny bit in the secondary winding.  At the same drive level and a 1 mega-ohm load,  the "oscillating power" drops to 121 watts, with 968Vpk and 25mApk.  The input power drawn from the current source drops to 0.59 W.     

So here we have 17 watts of input creating the illusion of 11kw of power, and 0.6 watts of input creating the illusion of 121 watts of power.  With the 1 mega-ohm load and 0.59W of input power 0.57 watts are delivered to the load for an efficiency of 96.6 percent.  That about typical of good laminated transformer efficiency, somewhere in the mid 90's, and I think the design of the QEG will have a good coupling coefficient between the primary and the secondary.  So, if the system is running 40 percent efficiency either the parametric drive works poorly or there is something wrong somewhere.   There is the efficiency of the drive motor to consider.  The QEG could be driven by some other power source such as a water wheel or a windmill.

James did say in the PESN interview he was driving a resistive load from the secondary of the QEG, although I've seen so many of these things over the years that I recognize how they go:  Big claims, fragmented videos, and erroneous schematics.  It's so recurrent it's cliche.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 05:15:43 AM
F_Brown,

Great work!  You are making the picture of what may be transpiring more tangible with your simulations.  It's quite a "shocker" to see how "illusory power" is actually just a small amount of energy circulating in the LC resonator.  It's also extremely interesting to see how much real power is being burned off in the circuit to sustain the resonant amplitude and "sustain the illusion."  Naturally that small amount of energy stored in the LC resonator will get "snuffed out" quite quickly when you connect an external load.

One thought for your consideration is to check your prose for "energy" vs. "power."  For some reason the mind uses the term "energy" as a default when you are preoccupied with describing the process of what you are doing.  I have been writing about electronics for years and I still screw up and use "energy" when I should use "power" or vice-versa.  It's strange in the sense that even with the terms mixed up what you write is perfectly comprehensible by the readers.  But it is still worth going back and trying to get it right as a matter of principle.

Thanks again for the simulation results.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 21, 2014, 05:44:30 AM
That's sharp of you to notice my misuse of word energy when I meant power.  I did notice my mind flip-flopping a few times deciding which term to use.  I do like to avoid repetition when possible.  Thanks for mentioning it.     

I lowered the value of the load resistor in the model to 505k and upped the drive to 50mApk @ 411 Hz .  The result is 775.7 watts drawn as input power and 762.4 watts delivered to the load for an efficiency of 98.3%.  It would be helpful to know what the DC resistance of the primary and secondary windings they are using.  With the 50 ohms of DCR in the primary, 13  watts gets dissipated in the primary winding and less then 0.1 watts gets dissipated in both the cap and secondary winding.  I'm using a 1:1 turns ratio in the model.  That's what makes such a high value load resistance necessary.  I believe James said he was using a 10:1 turns ratio.  For my simple sim I doubt that makes any difference for a rough efficiency analysis.

It's also interesting to note here that in this case with about 1HP of throughput, in the primary the peak voltage is 25.3kV and the peak current is 654mA giving the illusion of 8.3kW of oscillating power therein.  Looking at the peak stored energy can help the interested stay grounded here:  0.5 * 25,300^2 * 10e-9 = 3.2 Joules.  So there's just 3.2 joules of energy sloshing back and forth in the primary 411 times a second.  I wonder how many donations James would get if he mentioned that...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 06:22:08 AM
F_Brown,

I am attaching the schematic that is in the main pdf as a guideline.  I am not sure how accurate this schematic is and of course we don't have any definitive test and setup information from anywhere right now.  For example, I read comments about the dot convention on the schematic and people were questioning if it was valid or not.  In theory, the two separate windings on the core for the LC resonator should put the flux in the same direction through the core.  On the QEG forum some people were speculating that in fact the flux was going in opposite directions to reduce the effective inductance for the LC resonator to bring the resonant frequency up towards 400 Hz.  That would be crazy because that would cause an AC short circuit which would destroy the energy in the capacitors and kill the resonator.

I am not sure how experienced you are with your simulator, but I do know that if you could see their test waveforms and got all of their measurements and setup data, in theory you could do a quite accurate simulation of the performance of the setup.  You have to take liberties of course, for example you can't simulate the physical action of rotor with respect to what it does electrically, but you can come up with some kind of alternative to what the rotor is doing.  For now, I am assuming what others are assuming.  The assumption is that the spinning rotor causes small currents to flow due to a small remnant magnetization in the core and that bootstraps itself into higher amplitudes because of the power injection from the spinning rotor.

One suggestion for you is to try a voltage source as the stimulation instead of a current source.  A current source will output progressively more power the higher the resistance it sees or the higher the EMF or voltage it has to overcome.  If you do try a voltage source as the stimulation, you will probably have to decouple it from the rest of the simulation with a series resistor.  I am assuming that your voltage source model has an output impedance of zero, and that will lock or force whatever it is driving to be in step with it.  Experimenting with different series resistor values may be necessary.  It's possible that a voltage source with a series resistor will make the LC resonator go to high amplitudes also but it will take a lot of cycles.

Going back to my earlier postings, and looking at the QED schematic, you can see how when the rotor rotates through +45 or -45 degrees, that's when you get the "transient" stimulation and then outside those two angles the stimulation is completely disconnected from the funky LC resonator.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 21, 2014, 06:36:37 AM
Good thoughts.  I played around a little with different ways to drive the tank.  The way I do it in the images presented was the easiest and most direct.  I'll see what else I can come up with. 

I think the phase dots are wrong.  My first impression is that if one puts two windings with equal amounts of turns in bucking configuration like that, nothing will happen.  They will cancel each other.  Now, there might be some funky redirection of flux going on, although I it's more probable that they would just cancel each other electrically and magnetically, the secondaries as well.  It would be helpful to be able to build one, and probe just what's going on. 

I have to try and figure out what they are even attempting to accomplish with the exciter.  I have a good spark gap model I got for my Tesla Hair Pin simulation.  So I can model the entire exciter well.

Driving the tank with voltage could be done this way, see attached schematic.  Although I'm at a loss as to how to calculate the input power this way.  My attempts to use a serial resistor and a voltage source fail to work well.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: CANGAS on April 21, 2014, 10:20:05 AM
In some ways this is a rather interesting thread.

I am a hopeful optimist that humanity will discover and embrace a technology or technologies that will deliver us from the limited utility of deadly polluting fossil fuels and the concomitant financial slavery and philosophical coercion. And I also have a strong personal religious belief and believe that it is possible for a Higher Power to intervene and provide help to us.

I believe that IF God wanted to provide us with free energy then God could inspire someone such as the HopeGirl team and foreign groups to meet and work together to refine and develop and distribute workable reiterations of established free energy technology. I have become tentatively convinced that Tesla discovered and refined and produced working free energy generators. So, in summation, I believe it is possible that HopeGirl and associated parties COULD be acting on genuine inspiration from God.

BUT.....granted that my research and insights on Tesla technology is woefully far from complete, I have to say that the HopeGirl team seems to be utterly clueless about the nature of the Tesla technology. I have not read one word about their understanding of the technology that even comes close to matching the theories and engineering principles that Tesla seems to have been using. It is very difficult to determine what Tesla actually did, he did not exactly leave us a Free Energy For Dummies recipe book! But there is a rather large amount of literature that has been published, including many very insightful commentaries and personal conclusions and descriptions of what he must have been thinking compared to what is verifiably known about his results. And there is a large body of quoted Tesla material containing smatterings of his own descriptions of his technology. So it is possible to compare what HopeGirl team knows compares to what he actually did.

Thus far they are not even in the right ballpark. I could have cried in despair when I read about their using a spark plug as Tesla's spark gap. The spark gap is an extremely crucial item, not just an ornament.

It would delight me to see workable and provable free energy made widely available to humanity. I hope and pray that HopeGirl Team does it. I am earnestly trying to do it.  And it would prove that God can inspire people to do something right even if they do not know what they are doing but are simply willing to trust God and try to do a righteous thing.

It would be wonderful if we do see the Tesla free energy technology resurrected out of its tomb and see it freely roaming to every human who can be benefited by it.


CANGAS 21
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 21, 2014, 10:46:46 AM
Which god?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 01:41:01 PM
Indeed.  In a similar vein, I am not a big Tesla reader and all that stuff, but I question the notion of "Tesla free energy technology."  The idea that Tesla left "hints" about this and all that you have to do is "connect the dots" could very well be just wishful thinking mixed together with intentional disinformation.

I can speculate the reason for the intentional disinformation does not from from Big Government or some Evil Cabal, rather it comes from "us" the people that make a living writing books and talking about Tesla and fantasizing about him and worshiping him like he himself is some sort of god.  He did some very great things, like being the first person to engineer the power grid that completely changed society.  But the problem is that it's too "easy" to believe more than that.  So you end up with HopeGirl namedropping "Tesla" and ka-ching!  More people click on the "Donate" button.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 02:09:24 PM
Quantum Tesla scalar vortex! Parametric longitudinal re-gauging! It's the richest kind!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 21, 2014, 05:59:56 PM
MilesHigh,

After some reflecting on the phasing dots this morning I realized that if the coils were arranged in bucking configuration, then when the rotor is in between poles, the coils will cancel out, and when the rotor is aligned with a pole, the flux will then flow though the rotor, allowing the magnetic field in each half of the stator as divided by the rotor to flow in opposite directions. 

This would sort of be similar to what would happen in a typical EI core, if the windings were wound on the out side legs instead of the middle one.  Also for this arrangement to work in the QEG I would expect the rotor to have twice the cross-sectional area of the stator, as the middle leg of an EI core does compared to the outside legs.

Additionally I got LTSpice to calculate a time varying value of inductance, although the resulting model fails to drive the tank circuit into significant oscillation.  Also with the time varying inductance there is a loss of a single sharp resonant peak in the system. 
SPICE is just the wrong application to model this device, because it fails to model the flux gating of the core.  What is needed is a magnetic modeling application that can also handle circuity.  Do we have anyone skilled in the art or magnetic modeling in the house?

Anyway, with the time varying value of inductance, I set it for 15H +/- 5H, I found that the main resonance which was only slightly dominant shifted from 411 Hz to 1328 Hz.  I change the capacitance value to 11 nano-farads and that brought the main resonance to 400 Hz.  Then varying the inductance value at 400 Hz failed to drive the tank into significant oscillation, see attached images. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 22, 2014, 12:23:50 AM
MilesHigh,

After some reflecting on the phasing dots this morning I realized that if the coils were arranged in bucking configuration, then when the rotor is in between poles, the coils will cancel out, and when the rotor is aligned with a pole, the flux will then flow though the rotor, allowing the magnetic field in each half of the stator as divided by the rotor to flow in opposite directions. 

This would sort of be similar to what would happen in a typical EI core, if the windings were wound on the out side legs instead of the middle one.  Also for this arrangement to work in the QEG I would expect the rotor to have twice the cross-sectional area of the stator, as the middle leg of an EI core does compared to the outside legs.

Additionally I got LTSpice to calculate a time varying value of inductance, although the resulting model fails to drive the tank circuit into significant oscillation.  Also with the time varying inductance there is a loss of a single sharp resonant peak in the system. 
SPICE is just the wrong application to model this device, because it fails to model the flux gating of the core.  What is needed is a magnetic modeling application that can also handle circuity.  Do we have anyone skilled in the art or magnetic modeling in the house?

Anyway, with the time varying value of inductance, I set it for 15H +/- 5H, I found that the main resonance which was only slightly dominant shifted from 411 Hz to 1328 Hz.  I change the capacitance value to 11 nano-farads and that brought the main resonance to 400 Hz.  Then varying the inductance value at 400 Hz failed to drive the tank into significant oscillation, see attached images.




F_Brown,


You are correct, in the bucking configuration they do cancel out when the rotor is mis-aligned, and correct again when it is aligned you get flux going through the rotor, which is not large enough to carry all the flux, as you mentioned it should be twice as large to handle it efficiently.


Here are screenshots from a femm simulation built to the dimensions from the drawing and .5 amp dc in the 3100T primary in bucking orientation, nothing in the 350T secondary.


This only requires 18 volts to achieve:


Primary:

Total current = 0.5 Amps
Voltage Drop = 18.3489 Volts
Flux Linkage = 17.8163 Webers
Flux/Current = 35.6327 Henries
Voltage/Current = 36.6978 Ohms
Power = 9.17445 Watts
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 22, 2014, 12:32:41 AM
If you don't set it up to be bucking...then the rotor does absolutely nothing....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 22, 2014, 12:38:44 AM
Here is the snapshot.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 22, 2014, 12:50:05 AM
shinz62,

Very interesting...  I just installed FEMM on my workstation, and have been learning the basics of it all morning.  I've been wanting to learn how to use it for years.  I just lacked sufficient motivation to climb the learning curve. 

At least the FEMM model indicates the correct configuration of the windings.  So, the phasing dots were correct.  That's one piece of the picture demystified.

I'll put myself to the task of designing new laminations that will be smaller overall and have a rotor cross-sectional area that is twice the stator cross-sectional area, then run a FEMM analysis on that.  Seeing that one for the original lamination dimensions were already done.

Cheers,

FB


PS  Do you think the rotor was meant to saturate?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on April 22, 2014, 01:48:07 AM
F_Brown,

Is it possible to simulate the attached circuit in your FEMM?

GL.
Title: Peter Lindemann: Thoughts on QEG
Post by: Stephen Brown on April 22, 2014, 01:59:02 AM
Here's a letter Peter Lindemann wrote addressing people who have asked him about the QEG.



http://www.borderlands.de/Links/QEG-LindemannBoS (http://www.borderlands.de/Links/QEG-LindemannBoS)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 22, 2014, 02:03:40 AM
@ GL,

Has anyone tried placing another looped coil and cap facing opposite to L3 ?

Regards...



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 22, 2014, 02:04:13 AM
I wouldn't think they wanted the rotor to saturate like that, particularly since it should be running at much higher power levels, more like these shots if you go by what they're saying.



They're saying 24,000 volts on that primary, I don't even see how that is possible, could only be peek and very very briefly.


My model shows 50 amps dc is 1800 volts and 45k watts, you can't get much more than about 11 amps through a 20 awg winding without burning it up. http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm) These shots show 50 amps going through, it is so saturated nothing even goes through the rotor and there would be zero output on the secondary as a result of the rotor turning.


But if we clean this up with an appropriately sized rotor this might be a very interesting generator, because it seems quite possible to time the pulsing of the entire system such that there is very little lenz drag on the rotor.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 22, 2014, 02:10:45 AM
F_Brown,

Quote
After some reflecting on the phasing dots this morning I realized that if the coils were arranged in bucking configuration, then when the rotor is in between poles, the coils will cancel out, and when the rotor is aligned with a pole, the flux will then flow though the rotor, allowing the magnetic field in each half of the stator as divided by the rotor to flow in opposite directions.

Yes I looked at that today and came to the same preliminary conclusion.  Notice if you change the dot polarity then you are adding when the rotor is not aligned and then when the rotor is aligned there is flux cancellation in the spinning rotor itself.

To be honest either way you have a transient AC short alternating with normal flux addition.  However, the key thing to keep in mind is that it's the "swipe by" of the rotor that is the key.  You have to be looking at the time-variant aspects because magnetics only work with changes with respect to time.  I can only assume that when you have a "swipe by" event that the rotor experiences Lenz drag.  In fact by definition it has to experience Lenz drag if it is going to pump energy into the LC resonator.

I am not going to push the analysis any further on my end but I welcome you guys to continue on your exploration.  The real way to figure out what is going on would be to actually have the device.

Here is were there is a big problem:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/index

It appears that on the main forum for the QEG it's 95% excited people that don't have a clue about electronics and magnetics.  The other 5% aren't particularly strong in the subject matter themselves.  I am certainly not an expert myself, but just by reading what's going on there, it's more New Age people than electronics people.  So there is barely a serious technical discussion going on on the main QEG forum.

One can only hope that some of the "be-do" people are also lurking here and trying to pick up on some of the discussion by osmosis.  Hopefully they will get a sense that it's not all roses in the purported future QEG free energy paradise that they are all dreaming of (to the tune of at least $100K USD).

The sad thing is that these "subversive discussions" are probably only "secretly whispered" on "be-do."  The ironic thing is that many "open minded" people are actually living in their own form of fear and intimidation and thoughtcrime.  For example, I read somewhere than on some generic "New Age" web site that is promoting the QEG, any negative posting questioning the QEG is nearly instantly deleted by the person that "watches over" the New Age forum.

So my feeling is that right now there is a lot of repressed "negative energy" that will eventually have to come out and people will start asking serious questions like, "Okay, we have been waiting for two months now, please show us proof that it works."

So I think that this thread has been a positive contribution so far with respect to the real truth.  That's what's important, uncovering the real truth whether it be good or bad.  For those with a decent technical background and a lot of experience watching these types of free energy propositions, the "optics" for this one are just about as bad as they can possibly get.  It's only a matter of time before the "newly discovered free energy flower children" start to wake up and smell the true roses.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 22, 2014, 02:26:51 AM
For reference, here is as close as it gets at this point on the "be-do" forum:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/272-how-or-why-does-the-qeg-work

First posting by newbie DrTube:  "TOPIC: How or Why does the QEG work????"

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Hello everybody,
I've been extensively studying the QEG User Manual and reading the Tesla Patent (511.916). Has anyone else actually read this patent? I don't understand how the QEG achieves its over unity effect (or COP>1 performance). This specific Tesla patent only describes a resonant transformer type of generator with a to-and-fro moving core which "someone" (James? WITTS?) has cleverly transformed into a rotational device. Good thinking! But there is no COP>1 performance here yet.

I think that the exciter coil is a crucial part for the COP>1 performance (though I can't see one in the WITTS videos). Now the QEG user manual states:
In the QEG, the exciter coil is used to provide a conduction path through the quantum field (zero point) into the generator core. This has the effect of polarizing the core, which increases power output over time.
This doesn't clarify anything to me. I understand clearly that the "classic" Maxwell-Heaviside-Lorentz EM theory is so heavily curtailed that it is incapable of accurately describing what's happening here. I suspect that the vector potential (A) and/or the scalar potential (Phi) generated by the exciter coil plays an important role here.

Who can shine some light on this important matter?

Response by veteran Larry:

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A thorough understanding of the topics you discuss in regards to how the QEG actually works is still being worked on! There are plenty of theories, with many of them being discussed on this forum, but until the machine is replicated, and all of the details figured out, I don't think anyone will have solid answers to your questions. Once there are multiple working copies of the generator we will have scientific and engineering types providing all of the measurements and theories based on actual observations that everyone has been clamoring for. Remember, the QEG is still in its infancy and will take some time to mature. There were some audio recordings posted today by Shean in which the developer of the QEG discusses various details of its operation that you may want to give a listen to.

Best Regards,

Larry

Quantum schmauntum.  Once there are m u l t i p l e   w  o  r  k  i  n  g      c    o    p    i    e    s.......

So there you have it.  HopeGirl asks for donations to run around the world and "teach" people how to make their own QEG so that they can pump power back into the grid!!!  Please just believe it works!  Just believe!!!!

I would say believe if you want to but don't spend one red cent until you get real proof that it does work..........

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 22, 2014, 02:36:52 AM
I wouldn't think they wanted the rotor to saturate like that, particularly since it should be running at much higher power levels, more like these shots if you go by what they're saying.

They're saying 24,000 volts on that primary, I don't even see how that is possible, could only be peek and very very briefly.

My model shows 50 amps dc is 1800 volts and 45k watts, you can't get much more than about 11 amps through a 20 awg winding without burning it up. http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm) These shots show 50 amps going through, it is so saturated nothing even goes through the rotor and there would be zero output on the secondary as a result of the rotor turning.

But if we clean this up with an appropriately sized rotor this might be a very interesting generator, because it seems quite possible to time the pulsing of the entire system such that there is very little lenz drag on the rotor.

DC Will pump more current though the windings than AC will.  At 400 Hz my simple tank model was showing about 650mA when the peak voltage on the primary was about 25kV.  Can you run your sim at 400 Hz and a peak current of 650mA and see what happens?

The new images seem to show aiding configuration of windings rather than bucking.  Did you change that or is that a result of the higher current?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 22, 2014, 03:58:05 AM
DC Will pump more current though the windings than AC will.  At 400 Hz my simple tank model was showing about 650mA when the peak voltage on the primary was about 25kV.  Can you run your sim at 400 Hz and a peak current of 650mA and see what happens?

The new images seem to show aiding configuration of windings rather than bucking.  Did you change that or is that a result of the higher current?


I did change it to aiding, oops.

I'm also working on an updated model with a double wide rotor, but it doesn't scale nicely. A fat rotor doesn't really fit good, major changes will be necessary.

I accidentally overwrote the model with the rotor gap specified by the blueprint, this has no gap in the rotor, so it is close but not exactly like it. I'll repair it later and try again, if it is significantly different I will re-post the results.

It took 20-25 minutes to compute each run but here are the results in one orientation aligned, bucking, 400hz:

Primary:
Total current = 0.65 Amps
Voltage Drop = 4300.45+I*60259.5 Volts
Flux Linkage = 23.9765-I*1.7016 Webers
Flux/Current = 36.8869-I*2.61785 Henries
Voltage/Current = 6616.08+I*92707 Ohms
Real Power = 1397.65 Watts
Reactive Power = 19584.4 VAr
Apparent Power = 19634.2 VA

Secondary shows:it
Total current = 0 Amps
Voltage Drop = -479.15-I*6091.01 Volts
Flux Linkage = -2.42354+I*0.190648 Webers
Real Power = -0 Watts
Reactive Power = 0 VAr
Apparent Power = 0 VA


I guess 4.3k volts + 60k imaginary could come out to the 24K volts in the primary they say they're getting. This is very interesting, it shows that it takes ~1400 watt to generate nearly 20KVA! that is great! The secondary should have that available  part of the time as the rotor spins, so they could be correct about the 10K, if your talking VA, but that is NOT watts...hard to say how many watts that is.

Nearly 500 volts in the secondary.

I am convinced it would work better with rotor 2x wider.

Here is the numbers from the lower model with the 2x wide rotor at 400hz:

Primary:
Total current = 0.65 Amps
Voltage Drop = 9197.42+I*102845 Volts
Flux Linkage = 40.9206-I*3.65005 Webers
Flux/Current = 62.9547-I*5.61546 Henries
Voltage/Current = 14149.9+I*158222 Ohms
Real Power = 2989.16 Watts
Reactive Power = 33424.5 VAr
Apparent Power = 33557.9 VA

Secondary:
Total current = 0 Amps
Voltage Drop = -1040.79-I*10900.3 Volts
Flux Linkage = -4.33707+I*0.414118 Webers
Real Power = -0 Watts
Reactive Power = 0 VAr
Apparent Power = 0 VA

Wow doubles the output.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 22, 2014, 06:49:23 AM
The below was posted by Peter Lindemann at the Energetic forum

Hey Folks,
 
 Here is an email I have sent to a number of people asking me about the QEG.
 
 Thank you for your email.  The QEG plans show a simple, switched reluctance generator powered by an external electric motor. (page 7)  This has nothing to do with Tesla!!!  This exact design was first proposed by John Ecklin in 1979.  I was a member of a group of researchers in Santa Barbara who built and tested many variations of this class of generator through the 1980s.  These machines are generally called "switched reluctance generators" or more correctly "variable inductance generators."
 
 If you put a capacitor in series with the input, as shown, the unit will "self-excite" if there is a slight amount of magnetism in the rotor or stator material.  There are specific speeds where the electrical output power goes up due to the resonance event, but during these episodes, the requirement of mechanical energy input goes up as well. If you just meter the voltage and the amperage, it looks really good, but it's mostly reactive power as the volts and amps are out of phase.
 
 If the output removes magnetic energy from the core, then there is less to circulate in the resonant tank (LC circuit) created by the input coils and the capacitor bank.  The system has a specific number of joules of energy (real power) circulating in the magnetic core and any real energy removed is produced by the reversal of the field in the output coils by the rotor shifting position.  Rotation of the rotor produces the mechanical shifting of the magnetic fields and reinforces the currents oscillating in the input coils.  One of the patent filings I produced back then was titled "Mechanical Rotary Transformer" and covered a design similar to this in many ways.  The best tests we produced with our prototypes had a COP = 1.2 (120% efficient).  The people involved in the Santa Barbara group included myself, Mike Knox, Bruce DePalma, Chris Carson, and later Eric Dollard.  In a parallel development, John Bedini duplicated much of the same series of experiments and concluded the same thing!  The best the machines could do was about 120%.  All of this happened before the internet, and since the experimental results were disappointing, no final report was ever produced.
 
 Knowing what I know about this class of machine, I do not believe anyone is going to build one of these in their backyard and power their home with it.  We spent over $30k building and $50k testing prototypes of these machines between 1981 and 1987.  This is not going to go where you think it is going.
 
 I stand by what I said in the newsletter.  An "open source" project based on these ideas will not go anywhere.  In fact, this was all "open sourced" in the 1980s by John Ecklin.  Look here at these links, taken from the archive at Rex Research:  John W Ecklin -- Stationary armature generator -- US Patent 3879633, US Patent 4567407, 12 articles (http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin.htm)
 and here:
 http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin1.jpg (http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin1.jpg)
 http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin8.jpg (http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin8.jpg)
 
 In the image of the article "ecklin1", John Ecklin is suggesting 400% efficiency was possible, but it never was experimentally demonstrated. In the image of the article "ecklin8", the design of the machine on the left shows the same structure as the one in the QEG plans.  The drawing on the right is from my patent filing, first reported on by Paul Brown in 1981.  Both Paul and I knew John Ecklin.
 
 Sorry, but I am trying to help people understand that this has been looked at, in depth, over 30 years ago, and it doesn't work well enough to produce a self-running machine.
 
 I have no knowledge of the "Fix the World" group or their motives for putting these plans together, but it is my belief that this sort of machine is not perfected yet, and should not be "open sourced" to a community of enthusiastic people who do not have the machine shop skills or the sophisticated electrical engineering and mathematical background to understand the significant subtleties of a variable inductance machine.
 
 That about covers it!
 
 Best regards,
 Peter __________________
 Peter Lindemann, D.Sc.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 22, 2014, 07:50:12 AM
Luc,

In general terms, that posting by Peter Lindemann is basically correct in his reasoning and discussion of what's taking place from my perspective and from what I have learned over the past week.  However, where he stumbles and falls is in his claim of a COP of 1.2.  Notice he doesn't give any details about what that COP 1.2 even means.

Peter will never meet a challenge when somebody wants to get into an involved discussion with him about electronics and measurements and how a circuit actually words, etc, as far as I am aware.  People like Poynt99 and MarkE and PicoWatt could spin circles around Peter when it comes to electronics and measurements techniques and a whole gamut of hard core electronics and engineering stuff.  Peter is a lightweight that manages to create the illusion that he is very knowledgeable.

I am being somewhat harsh because I view Peter as a "pro" just like HopeGirl and company are crowd-funded pros that are deceiving people and acting unethically while creating the pretense of ethical behaviour.  Are they cons or are they clueless, I am not 100% sure.  But I myself have the common sense to get an expert opinion on something that I don't know much about.  I would be completely mortified to accept donations from people if I didn't know what I was doing.

So sorry to play the Bad Cop but Peter's COP 1.2 claims are junk.  If what he said was true his whole team would have received the Nobel Prize.

A magnetic core in an inductor or a transformer is a lossy mechanism for storing and then recovering magnetic energy by definition.  Even is it is 99.9% efficient at returning the energy that you put into it that is still lossy.  There is no such thing as a magnetic core returning more than you put into it.

Why is Peter claiming COP 1.2?  If you want to be really cynical you can speculate that he says that to keep the
"Peter Lindemann mystique/aura" going to keep those ticket sales high for the next Bedini/Lindemann/Aaron conference.  You play the tease to keep your audience stoked for the next paid live appearance.

Just keeping it real, I hope that you understand.

MileHigh

P.S.:  If any team does a faithful replication of this device the key to understanding it would be to construct a timing diagram that shows in front of your eyes how the thing works.  If there truly was over unity you would literally be able to show a "slice" in a waveform on your timing diagram where the free energy was manifesting itself.  The timing diagram and the associated schematic for any circuit and associated tests rules.  We will see if replication teams actually start reporting their results and if any of them show any timing diagrams.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 22, 2014, 08:55:11 AM
shinz62,

I got a FEMM analysis done.  I scaled the core down by 1/2 in all dimensions.  It should use about 1/4 the material of the full sized one, and weight approximately 1/4 of the original.  I also made the stator a bit narrower and the rotor a bit wider to get the rotor to have twice the cross-sectional area of the stator, without making the rotor so wide as to cause problems with the poles taking up too much winding space.  I'm sure my model needs more work, although it was fun to some initial results with this application.  Perhaps this size core would be buildable for 1/4 of the cost of the full sized unit.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 22, 2014, 03:43:23 PM
This one is hard to build and it will take at least 100 hours to be done, but in my point of view is worthful to try.. Anyway, I'm here to learn and if this generator works, this will be great, if not I'm sure that I'll improve my knowledge...


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 22, 2014, 04:09:56 PM
WOW Ariovaldo... you have a lot of courage and patience.

All the best to you in your tests

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 22, 2014, 04:15:07 PM
Kudos to Lindemann for that report. It is very important for all "QEG" builders to read and understand what Peter is saying in that report. The "QEG" will NOT work as WhateverGirl and Robitaille claim it will. Never, no way Jose, and Peter and his friends explored the entire problem space long ago. I am not too concerned about the paltry claim of COP = 1.2..... that is sufficiently close to the noise floor as to not be exciting or even worth "replicating" his series of experiments to track down the ultimate error. His error analysis and correct recognition of the great reactive power in the system is much more important.

Here is the very most problematic statement in Lindemann's report:

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since the experimental results were disappointing, no final report was ever produced.

Translation: We did not get the results we wanted, so why report anything?

It should be clear that this is egregious pseudoscientific misconduct. When you do an experiment and you get NULL RESULTS.... it is just as important to report those, perhaps even more important than your ... perhaps bogus ... "positive" results that appear to support your hypothesis.
Please refer to the Scientific Method: experiments are done with the purpose of _falsifying_ hypotheses. When you FAIL to falsify your hypothesis, MAYBE it is supported by your results. But when you DO falsify your hypothesis.... by producing "experimental results that are disappointing".... then you KNOW that your experiment does not support the hypothesis. For sure. This is VERY IMPORTANT information, and people who do not publish null results are doing a profound disservice to the community of researchers, as well as violating a fundamental principle, a core component, of the Scientific Method.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 22, 2014, 05:49:40 PM
gotoluc,   Thanks for your input and reference to the Ecklin device as it does seem very similar although not identical.   


MileHigh,  For a change I find you comments on this enlightening.    I still say though we don't know everything and it is possible some small deviation in how this is built could result in free energy.   But I say just let the QEG guys who are already working on this work this out until they either do or do not have a working device.   If it's not at least putting out twice the power it uses within a year I would consider it a lost cause.   I still do not believe they are trying to scam anyone but maybe they have been duped by the Witt's people into believing it works if the Witts device is bogus. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 22, 2014, 06:05:53 PM
This one is hard to build and will take at least 100 hours to finish it, but in my point of view is worthful to try.. Anyway, I'm here to learn and if this generator works, this will be great, if not I'm sure that I'll improve my knowledge...


Cheers


Ariovaldo


One more picture.....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 22, 2014, 07:04:11 PM
WOW Ariovaldo... you have a lot of courage and patience.

All the best to you in your tests

Luc
You are right about courage an patience, but it is ok.
Thanks
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on April 22, 2014, 08:43:29 PM
To ariovaldo and other builders,

I would recommend doubling down if you are building this generator by attempting to bring
the machine up in stages. First by using the constructed core to build a 120VAC/240VAC 60Hz
generator that requires a 40VDC static field regulator. You could then find how much power
one can apply before the rotor saturates (see above). Since you are not competing with
anyone (business competitors) there is no compunction to maintain the lowest cost optimality
in the design. In fact you have exceeded the requirements by having a larger winding
wire gauge and you would have excess insulation then required. This would give you
experience with generator field regulation before continuing.

Next build a 60Hz resonant design using the same core hopefully with a not-so-high 60Hz voltage
field regulation. With this you should be able to attain sub-harmonic locking between the field resonance
and the rotor,s angular velocity. Lets one figure out how the rotor energy feeds the field resonance.

Here is the thing. If either of these above works with *high efficiency* one could consider attempting to
build a qmogen motor/generator as a overunity bail-out position. This would be just as good as the Witts solution,
maybe better and you would have all the components to do this as required except you would add an
intermediate flywheel pulley.

Finally attempt to construct the 400Hertz High Voltage resonant field. The generator itself would never
have to be modified, but only its supporting circuitry. This could very well give you the experience required
to find a solution to 400Hz high voltage resonance. It would allow you to experience easy success with a
working project - or to find any design show-stoppers before doing the hard part or having a high voltage
field burn out. This would be one reason to attempt to get the high voltage vacuum formed field core
if at all possible, even though this could actually inhibit the device from overunity operation.

:S:MarkSCoffman
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 22, 2014, 11:54:18 PM
F_Brown,


Nice job on the simulation,
Of course you had to scale the current and turns too.
can you say what your primary and secondary numbers are at 400hz?


Thanks.





Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 12:42:21 AM
F_Brown,

Is it possible to simulate the attached circuit in your FEMM?

GL.

Since I am just learning FEMM at the moment, I lack the ability to integrate circuit analysis with magnetic analysis in FEMM or if that's even possible.  I could make a pure SPICE model of your device.  You know when using cut cores like that, the coils are usually put on the straight sections of the cores for two reasons:  One it's more difficult to put windings on the curved portion of the cores, and two having windings over the cut sections of the cores helps to reduce magnetic fringing there.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 12:58:17 AM
F_Brown,


Nice job on the simulation,
Of course you had to scale the current and turns too.
can you say what your primary and secondary numbers are at 400hz?


Thanks.

I am only using primary windings at the moment because I still have yet to figure out how to attach a load to the secondary in FEMM.  The secondary would just be open ended and generate a voltage without any current flow. 

The primary I am using for this is 1550 turns of 20awg wire, which is 1/2 the turns of the original 3100.  I set the current at 0.9 amps and raised the frequency of operation to 1kHz to prevent saturating the core.  That is maintaining the flux density under 1.5 Tesla's for the M19 silicon steel laminations.  This type of core is usually only driven to 1.0 T to 1.5 T because the material saturates at around 2 T.  If the core saturates, it would allow large current surges to propagate though the windings and cause bad things to happen.  I set the gap between the stator and rotor at 0.025".

At the moment I am preparing an animation of the flux density during a full rotation of the armature.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on April 23, 2014, 12:58:39 AM
Since I am just learning FEMM at the moment, I lack the ability to integrate circuit analysis with magnetic analysis in FEMM or if that's even possible.  I could make a pure SPICE model of your device.  You know when using cut cores like that, the coils are usually put on the straight sections of the cores for two reasons:  One it's more difficult to put windings on the curved portion of the cores, and two having windings over the cut sections of the cores helps to reduce magnetic fringing there.

F_Brown,

Thanks for taking time to consider a simulation of the circuit. I do not know if Spice has a built in model for
magnetic amplifiers. I have tested this method by using two toroid Ferrite cores. But, as you say, it is much
more easy to wind cores that are cut. Even if you have to wind the curved part. It is my theory that the QEG
is nothing more than a magnetic amplifier with a free running tuned LC tank circuit. So two cores with a mutual
winding will be a good test to see if there is any gain or not. The nice thing with two cores and a mutual winding
is that you can use that as a AC (or pulsed DC) on/off switch. When the center coil is open then there is no
transfer of energy to the right output coil. When you short the center coil then you have a output. And the best
part is that NO energy is used to short the center coil. So you can build a parametric inductance switch and you do
not have to spend a lot of energy such as in any motor driven rotor etc. It is my hope that people read a little
about magnetic amplifiers because I think there is a lot of useful information there.

Information about magnetic amplifiers can be found here: http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Magnetic_Amplifiers/

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 01:09:00 AM
I am familiar with magnetic amplifiers.  I could build a non-linear SPICE model that includes core saturation.  They run quite slowly though.

If James is operating the QEG as a mag-amp, then he's using the wrong core material, because silicon steel saturates quite slowly.  Mag-amps use a sharply saturating nickel-cobalt alloys to get cleaner off/on switching performance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 01:36:24 AM
Luc,

In general terms, that posting by Peter Lindemann is basically correct in his reasoning and discussion of what's taking place from my perspective and from what I have learned over the past week.  However, where he stumbles and falls is in his claim of a COP of 1.2.  Notice he doesn't give any details about what that COP 1.2 even means.

Peter will never meet a challenge when somebody wants to get into an involved discussion with him about electronics and measurements and how a circuit actually words, etc, as far as I am aware.  People like Poynt99 and MarkE and PicoWatt could spin circles around Peter when it comes to electronics and measurements techniques and a whole gamut of hard core electronics and engineering stuff.  Peter is a lightweight that manages to create the illusion that he is very knowledgeable.

I am being somewhat harsh because I view Peter as a "pro" just like HopeGirl and company are crowd-funded pros that are deceiving people and acting unethically while creating the pretense of ethical behaviour.  Are they cons or are they clueless, I am not 100% sure.  But I myself have the common sense to get an expert opinion on something that I don't know much about.  I would be completely mortified to accept donations from people if I didn't know what I was doing.

So sorry to play the Bad Cop but Peter's COP 1.2 claims are junk.  If what he said was true his whole team would have received the Nobel Prize.

A magnetic core in an inductor or a transformer is a lossy mechanism for storing and then recovering magnetic energy by definition.  Even is it is 99.9% efficient at returning the energy that you put into it that is still lossy.  There is no such thing as a magnetic core returning more than you put into it.

Why is Peter claiming COP 1.2?  If you want to be really cynical you can speculate that he says that to keep the
"Peter Lindemann mystique/aura" going to keep those ticket sales high for the next Bedini/Lindemann/Aaron conference.  You play the tease to keep your audience stoked for the next paid live appearance.

Just keeping it real, I hope that you understand.

MileHigh

P.S.:  If any team does a faithful replication of this device the key to understanding it would be to construct a timing diagram that shows in front of your eyes how the thing works.  If there truly was over unity you would literally be able to show a "slice" in a waveform on your timing diagram where the free energy was manifesting itself.  The timing diagram and the associated schematic for any circuit and associated tests rules.  We will see if replication teams actually start reporting their results and if any of them show any timing diagrams.

How thoughtless of Lindermann's group to neglect to document their researcht.  The just forces any other interested party to have to repeat the same work just to get the answers they already found.

In spite that we now have Computational Electro-Magnetics software and laser cut laminations.  Maybe we can do better now than a COP of 1.2.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on April 23, 2014, 01:38:42 AM
I am familiar with magnetic amplifiers.  I could build a non-linear SPICE model that includes core saturation.  They run quite slowly though.

If James is operating the QEG as a mag-amp, then he's using the wrong core material, because silicon steel saturates quite slowly.  Mag-amps use a sharply saturating nickel-cobalt alloys to get cleaner off/on switching performance.

F_Brown,

Don't thinks so much about saturation, think more about parametric inductance switching. The attached drawing
is an attempt to explain what I'm talking about. Here you have to air core coils and a mutual coil between them.
Is it possible to simulate this setup? And do you think it is possible to switch AC or pulsed DC from the input coil
to the output coil by shorting the middle mutual coil? Maybe we need to bend the middle coil flat to the other two
to get a magnetic coupling between them? Just thinking out load here.....

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 01:51:49 AM
In order to do that in spice, with standard linear inductor models, two middle windings would be necessary one one each core that were then put in series or left open, because as far as I know in spice joining two cores with one winding is impossible, although I see what you mean now.

Also I think the proper direction for the arrow on the second core would be the other way.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on April 23, 2014, 02:04:47 AM
In order to do that in spice, with standard linear inductor models, two middle windings would be necessary one one each core that were then put in series or left open, because as far as I know in spice joining two cores with one winding is impossible, although I see what you mean now.

Also I think the proper direction for the arrow on the second core would be the other way.

F_Brown,

In my drawing, no core at all. Just coils on plastic bobbins.
So no saturation and also higher frequencies possible.

OK, it is late night here now, time for bed, nice to talk to you.

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 02:12:19 AM
F_Brown,

In my drawing, no core at all. Just coils on plastic bobbins.
So no saturation and also higher frequencies possible.

OK, it is late night here now, time for bed, nice to talk to you.

GL.

I see.  Coils are considered inductors in spice.  So in the case were all the inductors are air core coils, it would take four to get the job done in s spice model.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on April 23, 2014, 03:51:05 AM
How comes the naysayers have completely taken over this thread?


I don't know if the QEG works and what those people (3) are doing with the 100 grand fundrising cash, but one thing I know for sure:


There are many professional desinformation agents out there, making more than a 100k each one each year, only by badmouthing in the internet. Taxmoney, or from energy industrial complex, we pay it. They are getting emotional from mentioning the latest superiour weapons of the US, good patriots. Economical hitmen maybe, to secure "national security".


After investing so much in the control of oil, free energy would be rather unhandy, right?


Joe Average is my buddy, we are all Joe Average, worldwide, except for those pseudohumans.


I need an ignore button.


Nothing's for granted and time will tell what's the deal with the QEG. But this naysayer dominance is unbearable.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 23, 2014, 04:41:40 AM
Dieter,

If you are insulting people like me that exercise our critical thinking skills and call them "pseudohumans" then you have a problem.  This is not Oz, this is not Middle Earth, this is real life.  Things actually have to work in real life and people have to explain how they work.

Many people turn on their high-definition LED/LCD TV and they don't have the slightest clue how it works.  You could tell them a completely ridiculous explanation for how the hardware inside the TV works and they might believe you.

Some people turn on their high-definition LED/LCD TV and they have a reasonably good understanding of how the hardware and software inside the TV works.

Obviously, some people are at a disadvantage as compared other people when it comes to high-definition LED/LED TVs.  They might believe a crazy story about the TV.  A story crazy enough to make them look like fools without even realizing it.

So you think about that before you start labeling people as "pseudohumans."

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on April 23, 2014, 04:59:18 AM
At the moment I am preparing an animation of the flux density during a full rotation of the armature.

@F_Brown and @shinz62

Glad to see you do some FEMM simulations as this is fundamental to understanding how the device functions. With respect to an animation, I did one a short while back and posted it at the energetic forum. I had to shrink the animation down in size (due to file size limitations), but it is a real size simulation in FEMM. I have attached it to this post. Let me know if you wish me to animate anything else in particular.

With respect to modeling circuits in FEMM, that is not possible. You will have to make a work around outside of FEMM for that. You can do it with SPICE or write some code yourself (which is what I did). In another post of energetic forum, I posted some circuit simulation results as well. It appears this is the more dedicated QEG thread for that topic, so I have attached my results below to keep the record complete. I am currently researching if I can simulate a stable steady state system from which I can calculate power out and also energy consumed by force on the rotor from the coils (I have already confirmed that this is NOT a Lenz less case where there is no force on the rotor by the coils). Under very special conditions, you can make Lenz go away; not really go away, but have it average out to zero over one rotation. However I haven't been able to proof this with my simulations.

Anyway, here are my initial findings:

1. The system is started up by parametric excitation of the inductance of the primary coils. Quite a few links have been posted in this thread about parametric excitation, so if you wish know what that is all about, read some of those papers (a lot of them were written in the 1930s).
 
 2. Starting up the system is no magic. It can all be explained with normal electrical equations. Current noise (e.g. a pA in my simulations) in the coils will grow to about a few 100mA in the primary coils and the voltages associated with that run in the kV range. In my simulations I have seen voltages oscillate with magnitudes of 1kV to 20kV depending on system parameters that you set (inductances, modulation index of inductances, coil resistances, etc.). The capacitance sets the electrical resonance frequency. Tuning the system (electrically and mechanically), it is very easy to get high voltage spikes that can burn out the isolation on the coils (which is what happened in Taiwan). From my simulations, I find typical stable voltages for the primary coils around 2kV-5kV range. The secondary coils run at a factor Nsec/Nprim = 350/3100 = 0.113 lower than that, so in the couple of 100 volt range.
 
 3. The humming that was witnessed is most likely caused by the enormous flux densities in the transformer core and due to the fact that the core is laminated. A normal transformer also hums. Vibrations occur when the rotor closes in to the core or moves away from it AND a flux is going from core through rotor back to core.
 
 4. Parametric excitation can occur at multiple frequencies. Typically, the inductance is modulated at a frequency of 2v (v= Greek nu) while the electrical resonance is set at f = n*v/2 with n an integer. It is easiest to find a stable region when the electrical resonance is set at the smallest n number (n=1). In this particular case, the rotor runs at frequency v and the inductance is modulated at 4v, so the electrical resonance should be preferably set at 2v. In this case it appears the resonance starts occurring at a rotor speed of 1500rpm (about 25 Hz), so inductance is modulated at 100Hz. James indicates the output frequency is around 400Hz, which would mean he set the electrical frequency at a multiplier of n=8.
 
 5. The second set of coils is basically a copy of the first set of coils and they perform a similar role. I hope to discuss this in more detail later.
 
 I have attached a few figures that show how the high voltage develops in the primary coils. You have to pick the parameters right to get a steady state solution. It is very easy for the voltage to go out of bound (which would fry the coils due to high voltage arcing).
 
 The image QEG_StartUp.jpg shows how the resonance starts from 1pA of noise in the primary coils.
 
 The image QEG_Transient.jpg shows the transient behavior from startup to steady state. You can see the voltage initially overshoot to over 4kV, then settle down to about 2.8kV.
 
 The image QEG_SteadyState.jpg show the steady state in detail: as explained before the inductance is modulated at 4v (4x per rotation). The electrical resonance frequency is tuned to 2v with the capacitance. Both the voltage and current oscillate at 2v (50Hz). Note that the capacitance can be choosen so as to resonate at a higher harmonic (e.g. in James' case n=8).
 
 But now comes the questionable part of all of the above.
 
 The problem with parametric excitation is that it is very hard to get any kind of power out of the system without destroying the resonance condition. The energy in the primary system runs about a 2-3 joules. Energy for each of the elements is 1/2L*i*i for the coils, 1/2C*V*V for the capacitor and power loss is R*i*i in the coil resistance. All these translate to about 125W total in the coil and capacitor together and about 3W loss in the coil resistance.
 
 So the question now remains if it is possible to extract energy from this parametric system without destroying the resonance...
 
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 23, 2014, 05:14:11 AM
How comes the naysayers have completely taken over this thread?


.. But this naysayer dominance is unbearable.

Well, my parents always taught me to shut my mouth, watch and learn and only write only when necessary and when it makes a difference in relaying truth. There are some people here with mile high egos who cannot stop talking, always trying so very hard to try impress others with their perceived 'knowledge' . Truth is, it's almost always the opposite. But then, this is a public forum, anyone who can type can participate. Not a lot of skill required, actually

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 23, 2014, 05:22:43 AM
Well, my parents always taught me to shut my mouth, watch and learn and only write only when necessary and when it makes a difference in relaying truth. There are some people here with mile high egos who cannot stop talking, always trying so very hard to try impress others with their perceived 'knowledge' . Truth is, it's almost always the opposite. But then, this is a public forum, anyone who can type can participate. Not a lot of skill required, actually

Well, ChrisC, I guess that you did not learn from your parents at all.  If they are still with us on this Earth they would be pained to see this type of behaviour from you.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 23, 2014, 05:56:35 AM
How comes the naysayers have completely taken over this thread?


I don't know if the QEG works and what those people (3) are doing with the 100 grand fundrising cash, but one thing I know for sure:


There are many professional desinformation agents out there, making more than a 100k each one each year, only by badmouthing in the internet. Taxmoney, or from energy industrial complex, we pay it. They are getting emotional from mentioning the latest superiour weapons of the US, good patriots. Economical hitmen maybe, to secure "national security".


After investing so much in the control of oil, free energy would be rather unhandy, right?


Joe Average is my buddy, we are all Joe Average, worldwide, except for those pseudohumans.


I need an ignore button.


Nothing's for granted and time will tell what's the deal with the QEG. But this naysayer dominance is unbearable.
Have the people promoting the QEG shown any strong evidence that it can work, or that it does?  If the answer is yes, then skeptics have little room to argue.  If the answer is no, then I think the problem is with promoters long on promises and short on supporting facts.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 07:49:59 AM
I just posted a video of flux gating in a QEG style core.  This is a demonstration of flux density in the core as the rotor turns with a steady AC signal applied to the primary coils of the core which are operated in bucking configuration.  The actual operation of the complete QEG in power generation mode would likely to be significantly different. 

http://youtu.be/oVbmNcW5lSk
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 23, 2014, 07:57:37 AM
Have any of you seen the new video showing the device being tuned and going into resonance,   That sound is the only totally harmonic I have ever heard that makes me want to dance!!!    It is pure enthusiasm and now I am very very interested in building this device.


 http://pesn.com/2014/04/05/9602467_QEG-Effect_replicated_by_Taiwan-group/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 23, 2014, 08:19:17 AM
Now I wait for the measurements to be verified.   So many false hopes over the years,  keeping a light on for the real one is not easy.  The wait, the wait     always a wait.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Marshallin on April 23, 2014, 12:37:05 PM
Hi guys.

i still dont understand, how this device should work. But i dont found any explanation of principle here or anywhere else.

My current thoughts:
If change of "flux resitance" produce energy, we can simulate that with less expensive setup without problem.

If movement(or vibration) of feromagnetic(rotor) in earth electromegnetic field can produce some energy in pickup coil, we can again replicate it will non-expensive setup.

Without knowing what we want to achive there is no point of building expensive device.

GL
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 12:57:49 PM
Hi guys.

i still dont understand, how this device should work. But i dont found any explanation of principle here or anywhere else.

My current thoughts:
If change of "flux resitance" produce energy, we can simulate that with less expensive setup without problem.

If movement(or vibration) of feromagnetic(rotor) in earth electromegnetic field can produce some energy in pickup coil, we can again replicate it will non-expensive setup.

Without knowing what we want to achive there is no point of building expensive device.

GL

The only explanation offered so far as to theory is parametric excitation of the inductance value as the method of driving the system and a piezo effect in the steel lamination combining with the electrical resonance of the main tank circuit as contributing to the output of the device. 

I'd like to hear some more as to just what the exciter circuit is suppose to do.  It's put in series with the output.  Maybe that is suppose to backwards through the secondary and then affect the primaries somehow. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Tseak on April 23, 2014, 01:01:10 PM
Hi guys.

i still dont understand, how this device should work. But i dont found any explanation of principle here or anywhere else.

My current thoughts:
If change of "flux resitance" produce energy, we can simulate that with less expensive setup without problem.

If movement(or vibration) of feromagnetic(rotor) in earth electromegnetic field can produce some energy in pickup coil, we can again replicate it will non-expensive setup.

Without knowing what we want to achive there is no point of building expensive device.

GL
The common sense approach. But hold on - If one has a big, expensive setup, claims loudly that it works and shouts about its benefit to all (The fact that you have no idea whether it works is irrelevant at this stage) then one can call for generous donations. There is a word that describes this approach. The word is scam.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 23, 2014, 01:13:46 PM
It's pretty hilarious. Look at the recent "official" statements. Even the main builders cannot tell anyone why or how it is supposed to work. There is no coherent theory, no reasonable explanation... they just "know it will work" if they fool around with it enough. They have no working prototype, never have had. They have no explanation of how it can work. But they claim it will be the answer to everyone's hopes and they have no problem asking people to give them money based on their empty promises!


Come on, people. This is all chum. Don't be fish. INSIST on a WORKING PROTOTYPE or at the very least a COHERENT PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION of why anyone should believe that it will work as claimed, before you start cutting laminations and buying kilometers of wire. If you follow this simple rule you will save yourselves a lot of time and money.

Remember this post, in a week, month, year.... because in a week, month, year you will still see no self-runner, no excess usable power, from this device or these people (Robitaille and WhateverGirl.)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 23, 2014, 02:17:51 PM
Have any of you seen the new video showing the device being tuned and going into resonance,   That sound is the only totally harmonic I have ever heard that makes me want to dance!!!    It is pure enthusiasm and now I am very very interested in building this device.


 http://pesn.com/2014/04/05/9602467_QEG-Effect_replicated_by_Taiwan-group/ (http://pesn.com/2014/04/05/9602467_QEG-Effect_replicated_by_Taiwan-group/)


So is this video showing the device putting out power or not?  Looks like the team there are having success and are showing it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 02:37:08 PM

So is this video showing the device putting out power or not?  Looks like the team there are having success and are showing it.

It's been generally accepted that the device will work as a generator.  The answer being waited on with trepidation is will the device work as an over-unity generator.  As to that some good stats would more convincing than a choppy video of a couple lights lighting up. 

Could you ask James to provide an explanation on just what the exciter is suppose to do? 

Has he tried putting the exciter in the primary side of the device?

Could you post a video of the QEG operating in self-sustaining mode?

Thanks,

FB
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on April 23, 2014, 03:26:23 PM

I'd like to hear some more as to just what the exciter circuit is suppose to do.  It's put in series with the output.  Maybe that is suppose to backwards through the secondary and then affect the primaries somehow.
 


It's obviously a spark gap. During Tesla's time a spark gap was used to generate broadband low frequency RF.

This was used for exciting in Tesla Coils and as an oscillatory function in radio transmitters (no vac. tubes yet).

What is a spark gap doing tied to power line? - Obviously someone expects there will be static electricity there!

Second the motion by the fact that the sides of the machine are not metal but fiberglass. The metal rotor is insulated.

So it functions like the Testatika machine/Wimshurst machine. Static electricity is generated then is somewhat re-structured

form by adding LF RF to it like in a Tesla coil. and again like the Testatika Power RF Oscillator. These machines need to regauge

(change the relationship of voltage x current to power) so they can isolate subsystems. Then you simply run the re-formed

power through the coils to supercharge the internal magnetic motor flux. Note that electron flux often travels backwards

relative to common current flow.  I've always felt that this machine should operate this way without

knowing the details since the Tharpp video showed it in the first place.  There were previously people that

have done this in the 1920's - once they installed a powerful engine/motor in an aircraft - with obvious outcome. My feeling is that

tribiological electricity is inherently overunity. With three force affecting the electron - electrostatic, electromagnetic, and beta nuclear.

Static electricity is a macroscopic apparition of LENR. I will endeavor to prove this when the Shensei makes their ESM65-TR1

electrostatic motor available for sale.


This is why critics are no good for this type of thing, they don't structure incremental evidence for the operation of each device

as it comes along and before long they don't have a clue as to how these thing could even work. Critics need to stop saying

that there is no theory of operation for this device. It's that *they* don't have one.


No question though, I feel that overloading subsystem functions and variable parametric control structures

like in this device is not genius design but half-*ssed engineering practice. Parameters should have operational

margins not tuning. Variable parameters make it both difficult to understand system operation theory as well as

difficulty bringing it up.



:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on April 23, 2014, 04:07:07 PM
James said his prototype was running for 150 hours. The taiwan replication used two bulbs to indicate resonance, while the naysayers said there is Nada. How can nada power two bulbs? Suddently it is accepted to work as a generator. Then a report about COP 1.3. If so then Nobel, mh says, but tk says COP 1.3 not even worth to build. German replication 2500W out. tube. Witts vids, several.


And the Naysayers said nay from the beginning on, without to know any details... "impossible" what are you lurking around here anyway, I double: get an underunity forum and pollute it with your bad vibes. You say they did not proof anything, but in fact you did not proof any believable reason why you are here, acting as the mother of all sh!tstorms on any attempt of free energy,  especially (actually ONLY) when you're afraid it could be real.


I don't know for sure if you're pseudohumans, but they do exist and they make this world a piece of crap.


Beside all technical aspects, I feel that these 3 people, James, Hopegirl and the other woman are of high integrity and said sh!tstorms that you ate so proud of, have hurt them severly. This whole thing must be a tremendous burden. And then lots of Teenies pop up and say "scam!"... what a complex intellectial analysis.


Anyway, especially that older women appears so honest and integer... It's about people. They may fail, but they are no scammers. I really hate people who got that "scam!" quick draw attitude because it happened to me when some psychosect stalkers ruined my software programming business. That's so easy with the web...


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 23, 2014, 04:16:08 PM
James said his prototype was running for 150 hours. The taiwan replication used two bulbs to indicate resonance, while the naysayers said there is Nada. How can nada power two bulbs? Suddently it is accepted to work as a generator. Then a report about COP 1.3. If so then Nobel, mh says, but tk says COP 1.3 not even worth to build. German replication 2500W out. tube. Witts vids, several.


And the Naysayers said nay from the beginning on, without to know any details... "impossible" what are you lurking around here anyway, I double: get an underunity forum and pollute it with your bad vibes. You say they did not proof anything, but in fact you did not proof any believable reason why you are here, acting as the mother of all sh!tstorms on any attempt of free energy,  especially (actually ONLY) when you're afraid it could be real.


I don't know for sure if you're pseudohumans, but they do exist and they make this world a piece of crap.


Beside all technical aspects, I feel that these 3 people, James, Hopegirl and the other woman are of high integrity and said sh!tstirms that you ate so proud of, have hurt them severly. This whole thing must be a tremendous burden. And then lots of Teenies pop up and say "scam!"... what a complex intellectial analysis.


Anyway, especially that older women appears so honest and integer... It's about people. They may fail, but they are no scammers. I really hate people who got that "scam!" quick draw attitude because it happened to me when some psychosect stalkers ruined my software programming business. That's so easy with the web...
Dieter if James said that it was working for almost a week straight (150 hours vs 168 hours in a week) then surely they at least have video of that.  If they had one working for so long, why is it that they were unable to reproduce?

I gauge integrity by the consistency between what people claim and what they deliver.  These guys claim to have a world changing technology.  Where is the delivery?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 04:20:57 PM
I get that they lack a clue as to how the machine could output more energy than it inputs, and that's OK.  Free energy is really a very simple thing.  If one puts a sail on a boat, they are capturing and utilizing free energy.  Same thing here, if the machine works as claimed, it's just using a different kind of sail to capture and utilize EM energy.  Although, in the absence of any satisfying explanation as to just how that works, some some hard statistics are going to be needed by those who lack the ability to go and see the machine working as claimed for themselves.  Thrapp seems to have also shown some lights lighting up, although he seems to have failed to provide any convincing evidence that his machine actually does what he claims it does.

I've been researching new energy science for over a decade, and there are people here on this forum that have been doing that for two or three times that long.  In that time I have reviewed more alleged over-unity devices than I care to think about.  I started my research here on this forum when it was hosted as a yahoo group by spending months reviewing over 10,000 posts to find potential devices to investigate further.  I found there is a very common progression followed by people who claim they have built a device that operate over-unity, and the strongest commonality in that progression is the failure of the claimants to provide sound and verifiable statistics that clearly show over-unity operation.

So to put an end to all the bickering, simply provide some sound and verifiable statistics.

Best regards,

FB
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 23, 2014, 06:12:05 PM
And it would be nice if the actual facts that ARE known aren't continually altered and misrepresented.

1. It was the woman, not James Robitaille, that claimed 150 hours of "working".
2. Her definition of "working" clearly differs from mine -- since every one of the QEG team members will tell you, if asked, that they DO NOT have a working prototype that will run itself and power external loads.
3. Timothy Thrapp and WITTS are known to be.... unreliable. Nobody, nowhere, ever, has reproduced any of his many claimed free energy and overunity devices.
4. There is NOTHING in the present QEG design that resembles or operates like any electrostatic generators, most especially Wimshurst. Don't believe me? Then show some electrostatic work of your own that demonstrates your understanding and how the QEG relates.
5. When a 500 watt lightbulb lights up, that does NOT mean that it is dissipating 500 Watts!
6. The simulations that have been done are matching some of the actual data from the QEG team, and indicate that the measurements are measuring _circulating reactive power_ and not real usable power. If you want to get excited about circulating reactive power that is much greater than the input power..... you can do it much more cheaply and simply than with a QEG.
7. The various Tesla patents that the QEG team have been referring to have nothing to do with what they are trying to build. Tesla is ROFLing in his grave.
8. You dismiss my postings of diagrams of variable reluctance and shaded-pole motors as if you don't see the relevance... but that is exactly what is being built here. Take any motor of this type--- anyone can find them easily enough in AC fans -- and turn the shaft mechanically while monitoring the wires with a scope. You will apparently be amazed that it will act as a generator -- even though it has not a single magnet or brush assembly at all.
9. You can call me all the names you like.... pseudohuman, that's a new one! ..... but in a week, month, year.... there will STILL be no self-runner demonstrated and there will STILL be people sucking up your money claiming to have one. Fraud? Scam? What do they call it in YOUR country when you try to sell something you do not own or possess? Does calling the money you ask for a "donation" help your legal and moral position at all?


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 23, 2014, 07:03:10 PM
I get that they lack a clue as to how the machine could output more energy than it inputs, and that's OK.  Free energy is really a very simple thing.  If one puts a sail on a boat, they are capturing and utilizing free energy.  Same thing here, if the machine works as claimed, it's just using a different kind of sail to capture and utilize EM energy.  Although, in the absence of any satisfying explanation as to just how that works, some some hard statistics are going to be needed by those who lack the ability to go and see the machine working as claimed for themselves.  Thrapp seems to have also shown some lights lighting up, although he seems to have failed to provide any convincing evidence that his machine actually does what he claims it does.

I've been researching new energy science for over a decade, and there are people here on this forum that have been doing that for two or three times that long.  In that time I have reviewed more alleged over-unity devices than I care to think about.  I started my research here on this forum when it was hosted as a yahoo group by spending months reviewing over 10,000 posts to find potential devices to investigate further.  I found there is a very common progression followed by people who claim they have built a device that operate over-unity, and the strongest commonality in that progression is the failure of the claimants to provide sound and verifiable statistics that clearly show over-unity operation.

So to put an end to all the bickering, simply provide some sound and verifiable statistics.

Best regards,

FB
Timothy Thrapp has a long history of making false free energy claims.  Anything that he says that is not independently corroborated is worthless.

I agree with you: Just show hard evidence of the claim.  If the evidence backs the claim then we can try and come up with an explanation of the extraordinary.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Marshallin on April 23, 2014, 08:32:44 PM
"Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded"

Give it break, device is maybe fake. But idea behind it may be interesting.

We all know that earth produce a lot of energy. We are just too stupid to know how to use it right  now...

Exciter circuit on picture dont give to me much sense. I realy dont thnik right now that spak gap with some induction and capacity can make much positive diference. But i need to do still some tests with spark gaps generaly.

I dont like how much people using word "resonance" ... it almost look like magic. ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 23, 2014, 09:32:40 PM
I am only using primary windings at the moment because I still have yet to figure out how to attach a load to the secondary in FEMM.  The secondary would just be open ended and generate a voltage without any current flow. 
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You can simulate a load by putting an apposing current in the secondary, you have to play with the current number until you find the most power/current you can reasonable put through without stopping or reversing the flux going through. In the snapshot below I have tried putting 4.5 amps in the secondary and the simulation shows what that does against a .65 amp push from the primary. with zero amp in the secondary the numbers are still interesting because it will tell you how much voltage you can expect to measure across the coil with no load.


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[/font]The primary I am using for this is 1550 turns of 20awg wire, which is 1/2 the turns of the original 3100.  I set the current at 0.9 amps and raised the frequency of operation to 1kHz to prevent saturating the core.  That is maintaining the flux density under 1.5 Tesla's for the M19 silicon steel laminations.  This type of core is usually only driven to 1.0 T to 1.5 T because the material saturates at around 2 T.  If the core saturates, it would allow large current surges to propagate though the windings and cause bad things to happen.  I set the gap between the stator and rotor at 0.025".



What "bad things" might happen if the core saturates (at any particular frequency)?


The numbers I am interested in are the from the Circuit Properties Results for the Primary:
Voltage Drop
Flux Linkage
Flux/Current
Voltage/Current
Real Power
Reactive Power
Apparent Power
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At the moment I am preparing an animation of the flux density during a full rotation of the armature.


Great! I saw the animation, it is interesting to watch.
May I suggest that you should standardize the color scale for the flux density plot so that it is easier to tell what is actually going on. Otherwise femm will re-scale each frame and that is why you get the flashing color effects. It is also helpful to turn on the magnitude vectors plot "->" (B_re) which will show you north and south and provide additional information as to the strength of the flux.


I'm now wondering how this compares to the actual configuration of SEG since both your model and now mine has a double wide rotor compared to the posted SEG drawing. I would really love to see a scope shot of the WITTS/Trapp prototype QEG output voltage and current under load.




Here is my update, I have slimmed down the main core to 3/4 " and left the rotor at 1 1/2", its original size. It has the .026 diameter gap as described, which is a radius of .013. It has the same number of turns 3100. With the full size core it would look very differently (probably have much less ability to sustain the secondary current) so I don't know if there are any conclusions that can be drawn from this analysis compared to the WITTS prototype QEG.


I have to admit I still don't see how the QEG can work good maybe it doesn't. When you look carefully at the Trapp video you can't really tell if the rotor dimensions are 2:1 like this, or 1:1 like the plans that were posted.


One thing for sure, WITTS/Trapp talks like a Christian free energy evangelist that wants to bring their technology to the world, but acts like every other greedy inventor, because for one thing, they will only "give" out their information and "free licensing to build up to 3 devices" after a required minimum "donation" has been made and they still claim they are not "selling" anything, what a farce.


Here with a simulated load of 4.5 amps at 400hz numbers:
Primary:

Total current = 0.65 Amps
Voltage Drop = 2923.19+I*25197.2 Volts
Flux Linkage = 10.0256-I*1.15361 Webers
Flux/Current = 15.4241-I*1.77478 Henries
Voltage/Current = 4497.21+I*38764.9 Ohms
Real Power = 950.036 Watts
Reactive Power = 8189.08 VAr
Apparent Power = 8244 VA


Secondary:

Total current = 4.5 Amps
Voltage Drop = -316.671-I*1567.72 Volts
Flux Linkage = -0.623777+I*0.126728 Webers
Flux/Current = -0.138617+I*0.0281619 Henries
Voltage/Current = -70.3713-I*348.383 Ohms
Real Power = -712.51 Watts
Reactive Power = -3527.38 VAr
Apparent Power = 3598.62 VA
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 11:41:41 PM

You can simulate a load by putting an apposing current in the secondary, you have to play with the current number until you find the most power/current you can reasonable put through without stopping or reversing the flux going through. In the snapshot below I have tried putting 4.5 amps in the secondary and the simulation shows what that does against a .65 amp push from the primary. with zero amp in the secondary the numbers are still interesting because it will tell you how much voltage you can expect to measure across the coil with no load.


I'll have to try that.

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What "bad things" might happen if the core saturates (at any particular frequency)?

 

As I mentioned current surges.  When a core goes into saturation the control of the current flow by core inductance is lost, and the transformer then starts acting like an air core transformer with much less inductance.  That loss of inductance mean a loss of current control.  When the current is allow to surge it can over heat the windings and cause insulation failure.  When the insulation fails, the coil shorts out either between turns or to the core.  Over heating can also cause the varnish on the transformer if any to burn etc.

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The numbers I am interested in are the from the Circuit Properties Results for the Primary:

Voltage Drop
Flux Linkage
Flux/Current
Voltage/Current
Real Power
Reactive Power
Apparent Power

Great! I saw the animation, it is interesting to watch.

May I suggest that you should standardize the color scale for the flux density plot so that it is easier to tell what is actually going on. Otherwise femm will re-scale each frame and that is why you get the flashing color effects. It is also helpful to turn on the magnitude vectors plot "->" (B_re) which will show you north and south and provide additional information as to the strength of the flux.


Yeah, I'm already on that.  I am also making finer steps between images.  There will now be 144 separate images per rotation.

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I'm now wondering how this compares to the actual configuration of SEG since both your model and now mine has a double wide rotor compared to the posted SEG drawing. I would really love to see a scope shot of the WITTS/Trapp prototype QEG output voltage and current under load.


Yes.  It's frustrating that Hope Girl is talking too much, and James is talking too little.  There is another video posted yesterday or the day before that provides a few more tidbits from James, although sound, comprehensive stats and scope shots still have yet to be forthcoming.  However In the latest vid James does talk a little about using a scope to tune the QEG.

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Here is my update, I have slimmed down the main core to 3/4 " and left the rotor at 1 1/2", its original size. It has the .026 diameter gap as described, which is a radius of .013. It has the same number of turns 3100. With the full size core it would look very differently (probably have much less ability to sustain the secondary current) so I don't know if there are any conclusions that can be drawn from this analysis compared to the WITTS prototype QEG.

I have to admit I still don't see how the QEG can work good maybe it doesn't. When you look carefully at the Trapp video you can't really tell if the rotor dimensions are 2:1 like this, or 1:1 like the plans that were posted.


As transformers go the general rule of thumb is that the lamination stack height to the center tongue width in standard EI cores, which is what the rotor in this case equates too, can be anywhere from 1:1 to 2:1.  So, there is room for adjustment as needed there.

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One thing for sure, WITTS/Trapp talks like a Christian free energy evangelist that wants to bring their technology to the world, but acts like every other greedy inventor, because for one thing, they will only "give" out their information and "free licensing to build up to 3 devices" after a required minimum "donation" has been made and they still claim they are not "selling" anything, what a farce.

Here with a simulated load of 4.5 amps at 400hz numbers:

Primary:

Total current = 0.65 Amps
Voltage Drop = 2923.19+I*25197.2 Volts
Flux Linkage = 10.0256-I*1.15361 Webers
Flux/Current = 15.4241-I*1.77478 Henries
Voltage/Current = 4497.21+I*38764.9 Ohms
Real Power = 950.036 Watts
Reactive Power = 8189.08 VAr
Apparent Power = 8244 VA

Secondary:

Total current = 4.5 Amps
Voltage Drop = -316.671-I*1567.72 Volts
Flux Linkage = -0.623777+I*0.126728 Webers
Flux/Current = -0.138617+I*0.0281619 Henries
Voltage/Current = -70.3713-I*348.383 Ohms
Real Power = -712.51 Watts
Reactive Power = -3527.38 VAr
Apparent Power = 3598.62 VA


Excellent! 

I'll get some numbers up when I finish the second animation.

Cheers,

FB


PS  The dimensions of the QEG core are probably the WITTS dimensions verbatim.  In the Skype chat video or the audio only video from Morocco, James talks about how the rewinding of the Taiwan core after the primary failure resulted in the surface of one of the rewound primaries with interlayer insulation being too close to the rotor.  By thinning the stator by moving the inside surface of the stator laminations that holds the windings farther to the outside, that problem is alleviated.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on April 24, 2014, 01:39:50 AM
Now, after my rant against NSA and/or energy industrial complex stalkers (actually the two are a team anyway), totally coincedently I just received a PM. After several weeks of no interest, suddently somebody want to buy 150g of my gadolinium (see marketplace section).

The user has just opened an account, has zero postings. Am I paranoid when I smell a dead fish here?

That's how it works. They identify you, put you on a dead list, then you'll lose everything: job, home, friends, and most targets die soon after.

The slave planet, run by the pseudohumans is truely a fashist state.

Regards

.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 24, 2014, 02:00:05 AM
You are a real hoot Dieter.  Can't you imagine the headlines on cnn.com, "Pulse Motor Enthusiast Threatens Military-Industrial Complex."

Meanwhile, back in the real world from Sean with the big Karma:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/278-resonance-question-self-running-video?start=6

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Just to be clear to the so-called ´healthy skeptics´ amongst you
 
 This forum supports those who strongly resonate with the impression that the QEG, and the technology involved,  requires more than just an engineer’s degree and logical mechanical thinking to make her work.
 On the one hand the QEG is indeed a machine, but a totally different kind of machine than the ones we are so familiar with. It is true that she may need a skilled technician to build her, but truly requires a shift in consciousness to understand what makes her ´tick´. And that´s where one´s attitude in this whole process can and will make a difference….
 
 Take for example the "double-slit experiment," where the mere act of ´observation´ can completely change the outcome of an event. There are a number of things so far, involving the measurable part of the QEG, which currently may not make any sense… but then perhaps it needs a different level of sensitivity all together. Your presence, your state of mind, your attitude are believed to be key ingredients in observing the successful creation of this free energy device. This forum supports that belief and vision.
 
 In short: There is no place for skepticism in this forum, you won´t get far trying to court a lady with skepticism, cause truly that is what the QEG is, a Lady with a mind and a will of her own.
 
 So, having said that, I am sure there are those who do not agree with the rules and guidelines of the forum, (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/announcement/id-1) which is fine but I suggest to then find another place to continue your discussions.
 The forum moderators already have spent a lot of time and care in explaining to individuals why certain posts do not resonate with the forum rules, which is respectful but at same time to be honest I think they have better things to do with their time. Therefor please note that the decision to edit or remove a post is up to the moderators and not users, moderation doesn´t need further explanation and their decision is not open for debate.
 
 Thank you

Instead, they should make it a crime to make thoughtcrime a crime.  Think of all the possibilities that would open up like the petals of the Flower of Knowledge ushering in a new age.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: CANGAS on April 24, 2014, 08:26:08 AM
Kudos to Lindemann for that report. It is very important for all "QEG" builders to read and understand what Peter is saying in that report. The "QEG" will NOT work as WhateverGirl and Robitaille claim it will. Never, no way Jose, and Peter and his friends explored the entire problem space long ago. I am not too concerned about the paltry claim of COP = 1.2..... that is sufficiently close to the noise floor as to not be exciting or even worth "replicating" his series of experiments to track down the ultimate error. His error analysis and correct recognition of the great reactive power in the system is much more important.

Here is the very most problematic statement in Lindemann's report:

Translation: We did not get the results we wanted, so why report anything?

It should be clear that this is egregious pseudoscientific misconduct. When you do an experiment and you get NULL RESULTS.... it is just as important to report those, perhaps even more important than your ... perhaps bogus ... "positive" results that appear to support your hypothesis.
Please refer to the Scientific Method: experiments are done with the purpose of _falsifying_ hypotheses. When you FAIL to falsify your hypothesis, MAYBE it is supported by your results. But when you DO falsify your hypothesis.... by producing "experimental results that are disappointing".... then you KNOW that your experiment does not support the hypothesis. For sure. This is VERY IMPORTANT information, and people who do not publish null results are doing a profound disservice to the community of researchers, as well as violating a fundamental principle, a core component, of the Scientific Method.


"It should be clear that this is egregious pseudoscientific misconduct. When you do an experiment and you get NULL RESULTS.... it is just as important to report those, perhaps even more important than your ... perhaps bogus ... "positive" results that appear to support your hypothesis.
Please refer to the Scientific Method: experiments are done with the purpose of _falsifying_ hypotheses. When you FAIL to falsify your hypothesis, MAYBE it is supported by your results. But when you DO falsify your hypothesis.... by producing "experimental results that are disappointing".... then you KNOW that your experiment does not support the hypothesis. For sure. This is VERY IMPORTANT information, and people who do not publish null results are doing a profound disservice to the community of researchers, as well as violating a fundamental principle, a core component, of the Scientific Method."



Amen bro. Tin....Though, if I were to speak up every time I ever failed, my vocal cords would be worn out by now. 


CANGAS 23
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 24, 2014, 10:20:18 AM
Quote from: TinselizedKoalala
"It should be clear that this is egregious pseudoscientific misconduct. When you do an experiment and you get NULL RESULTS.... it is just as important to report those, perhaps even more important than your ... perhaps bogus ... "positive" results that appear to support your hypothesis.
Please refer to the Scientific Method: experiments are done with the purpose of _falsifying_ hypotheses. When you FAIL to falsify your hypothesis, MAYBE it is supported by your results. But when you DO falsify your hypothesis.... by producing "experimental results that are disappointing".... then you KNOW that your experiment does not support the hypothesis. For sure. This is VERY IMPORTANT information, and people who do not publish null results are doing a profound disservice to the community of researchers, as well as violating a fundamental principle, a core component, of the Scientific Method."



Amen bro. Tin....Though, if I were to speak up every time I ever failed, my vocal cords would be worn out by now. 


CANGAS 23

Astute observations.

The love of money is capable of compromising
integrity even in the world of "science."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: IBreal on April 24, 2014, 01:23:20 PM
HopeGirl Shares Her Feelings And Sexual Thoughts About The QEG From Morocco

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thecollectiveimagination/2014/04/21/the-one-people-2122-april-2014/scrub/2838

You can't make this stuff up, download it and confirm for yourself towards end of broadcast, time markers and transcript included below:

1:20:57 We call the QEG a she, she is a being.  She has a personality, she has a way of dictating things, she has a way of pulling people into a group to build her and pushing certain people out because they might have hidden agendas.

1:22:10 I personally feel very very connected to the QEG.  I feel very connected to her, I feel that she wants something. she needs something, she wants the people that are working around her to learn a lesson or to discover something about themselves in the process and as soon as we discover that then we can move forward.

1:22:30 So how does this relate to  s e x?  What we are doing here is creation, our sexuality is our power.

1:23:07 The QEG is creating a desire.  A desire in all of our hearts that are here to bring this parts towards us, to pull these parts in.   

1:23:33 The really difficult parts, they are here (Morocco).  The two main parts that are still missing, that we're trying to get a hold off, is the core which is now waiting for us at customs, which we think we're going to get tomorrow, which is a round shape, a female shape.  And the shaft, which is a long pole, that goes into it.  The QEG is creating a desire in the hearts of all of us here.  And the core is desiring her shaft, and these people are getting on airplanes to bring the shaft and the core together.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on April 25, 2014, 12:17:21 AM
Why does a man make 3000 posts on a overunity forum, when he does not believe in overunity at all?


What can we do against the presence of such specisms?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 25, 2014, 12:42:01 AM
We shall know them by their fruits dieter.

Regards...


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 25, 2014, 01:12:37 AM
Dieter,

There have been many interesting debates and lots of free energy propositions discussed.  Many people have been helped to understand their circuits.  That's what makes the place more interesting.  If it was nothing but mass agreement and mass failure and mass agreement and mass failure without end, that would be pretty boring, don't you think so?  I seem to recall that you put forward a proposition and someone else explained to you why it wouldn't work and instead of trying to defend your proposition with solid technical arguments you had a small emotional meltdown.  That's not a way to find free energy, is it?

Captain Zero,

I am not in any way related to the dreaded Blue Meanies in Black.  You are just going to have to cope with that fact.  The vast majority of the experiments that take place here are just electronics beginners that struggle to get by and they didn't buy the "Basic Electronics for Beginners" book.  If you think that the Blue Meanies have to worry about that you are disconnected from reality.  Then the pros come along (or pros in a new guise like HopeGirl) and they are almost at the same level.  If anything ever comes up that has even the tiniest kernel of credibility I will state that, why wouldn't I?  The problem with you is that there is never ever any technical contribution from you.  You are a passive cheerleader on the sidelines presumably cheering on anything that "sounds" good to your nearly tone deaf ears.

Why didn't HopeGirl and company show a credible video of the alleged one-week over unity run of the QEG?  Why didn't they cook hot dogs and run a disco with all of that alleged free energy?  The most likely answer was to prey on people like you.  I am not here to "protect" you, spend all your money on magic beans if you want.  But I like doing what I think is right, even if that is to your chagrin because you are all excited about the 664th circuit that you have seen that uses coils and transistors.  Perhaps if they change the gage of the wire and add 1/4 extra turn to the coil and hop on one foot they will get free energy out of the coil.  Build it yourself and hop, you never know!

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 25, 2014, 01:52:20 AM
MileHigh,

You keep seeing yourself reflected in my words, which is interesting to note...yet i have accused you on nothing.

You know very well it is the opinion of myself and others here that the path to free energy does not pass through an electronics book...yet you go on as if you haven't read those words here, which is also interesting to note.

And I'm reasonably sure everyone else here sees and recognizes this is the same pattern in their dealings with you.

Thow doeth protest too much.

Now if I had your technical knowledge, if I was interested in free energy development, I would restrict my participation to that of an adviser to all these enthusiastic experimenters who require only the odd tip.

There is no imagination in an electronics book...only rigid structure.

It will be interesting to note how you address or avoid addressing this far too long response in a point by point manner.

Regards...

 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 25, 2014, 01:57:32 AM
...

Now if I had your technical knowledge, ...

Regards...


@Cap-Z
This forum does not require a lot of real technical knowledge. Some try real hard to impress others but the truth is often not the case. Just saying.


cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 25, 2014, 02:06:54 AM

" @Cap-Z
This forum does not require a lot of real technical knowledge. Some try real hard to impress others but the truth is often not the case. Just saying.


cheers
chrisC "



"This forum does not require a lot of real technical knowledge."
That was never my assertion chris.

"Some try real hard to impress others but the truth is often not the case. Just saying."
Not sure how often, but I would agree.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 25, 2014, 02:24:47 AM
Why does a man make 3000 posts on a overunity forum, when he does not believe in overunity at all?


What can we do against the presence of such specisms?
Produce evidence.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 25, 2014, 02:46:11 AM
Produce evidence.

That sounds good to me.  Just do it without the 10,000,000 crash dump analysis monkeys at their keyboards randomly hitting keys in the hope of producing Windows 9 by random chance.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 25, 2014, 02:53:00 AM
Goal scored...1 assist on the play.

And the game played on...

'And the band played waltzing Matilda'
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 25, 2014, 03:22:54 AM
Captain Zero, you are a sub human.  You are a specimen.  You are a pseudohuman.  We need to disinfect this place from sub human pseudospecies like you.

That's a hypothetical example.  That's the real root cause for this discussion if you really want to open your eyes.  Screw your Repartee for Dummies and look at the real issue.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 25, 2014, 03:25:11 AM
No goal on the play...deflection missed .
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 25, 2014, 03:37:06 AM
When is the book burning taking place?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 25, 2014, 05:18:14 AM
Personal attack is the last sign of defeat in any form of debate.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 25, 2014, 10:20:48 AM
You are making too much sense.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mixerville on April 25, 2014, 04:35:28 PM
  Hello Mark.  You state that "Timothy Thrapp has a long history of making false free energy claims.  Anything that he says that is not independently corroborated is worthless." Have you looked on the website to see that he has done this very thing? There are many videos and statements to this effect Here is the link.  http://www.witts.ws/verifications/   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 25, 2014, 06:21:55 PM
Some potentially good and very HOPEFUL news.    I'm guessing everyone knows who Billionaire Richard Branson is?   Virgin Mobile entrepreneur, adventurer, guy who is making space flight available to the public etc. ....   A statement from the QEG forum :
"I will be joining the 70 other engineers from 21 countries at the www.fixtheworldproject.net QEG open build party in Morocco with a co-op member who is bringing about £30k worth of scopes and probes to make sure the resonance we are recreating there is accurately measured.

We are working in tandem with the German QEG team who have achieved resonance to create this self looping system.

 If we can get some good results the Virgin plane, train and spaceship engineers are keen for a build party on Nekker island thanks to Richard B and some of his family keeping an open mind and heart to our results.

 Please see the co-op's QEG project page for updates and more information and links to the relevant blogs / team members"
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 25, 2014, 10:50:21 PM
The Big Fish is on the hook!

There will be much fun and expense at the party.... there will be Resonance and big reactive power measured. But there will not be anything that runs itself with excess power left over!

And in a few months, Sir Richard is going to be laughing it off as another drop in the speculative bucket.


Anyone care to make a wager?


(30k Pound worth of scopes and probes... that translates into one good Tek DPSO scope and a matched current probe.   LOL!)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 26, 2014, 04:48:31 AM
A new and improved animation of the QEG core flux gating is now available:

http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNq
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 26, 2014, 06:00:39 AM
I just have to jump in here for a second, as this is getting "Disturbing".

After really looking at the schematic for a few seconds, and making the "Assumption" that the output is standard, useable power (Not something unusual or undefined so that standard measurements and operation of standard devices would be good.), then I see a small problem.  The spark gap IS in series with the output, with a smallish cap and inductor both in parallel with it.  This gives me great pause.

1.  Lots of noise will be in this output, no matter what, even if the freq range were partly filtered by the torrid.
2.  Putting that much power through a spark gap......  Has anyone heard of this thing called an Arc Welder......
3.  Even assuming that one could bypass most of this power around the gap, through the cap and coil, I don't see where the coil pictured (or spec'd...) would be able to be of low enough inductance to allow that much to pass.  The cap, I don't see that even more so.

What this really means to me is;  either the power at this point is NOT standard power, which would make all current SIMS, etc.  very useless and prevent simple use of that power  OR  someone has a neat idea but no real concept of what it really is.

And just to be clear, for those that haven't spent a lot of time with this stuff, ANY COP > 1, even if, say 1.000000000000001, would also have to be considered infinite COP.  Why, you ask?  Over COP 1 could be looped, meaning NO INPUT Required.  What happens when you divide by zero?  (OK, you all know this, but....)

So, we have some facts, here.   I have NO idea what they are.  I can't imagine anyone giving money or time away on this, but could not complain about playing with it on your own, just for the experience.   Either way, with the lack of data, and no real verification of the REAL ckt or specs, and not having built one, I certainly could not state for certain that it worked or not.  I could only state, right now, that if I build it exactly as shown and wire it exactly according to schematic, there is no possible way that it could operate at COP>1 as long as ONLY conventional EM theory was in use.  This eliminate SIMS for full explanations, if they exist.

If it DID operate over COP=1 THEN there would have to be quite a few additions to quite a few texts.  In reality, no one should be ready to accept that so quickly without some firm proofs.  Will this device be the one to open that can of worms?  I have no idea, but It should be interesting to watch (Read?).

For myself, I would prefer to see the theoretical information explained or demonstrated in a much simpler/cheaper/easier form for the initial "Breakthrough", but then again   What do I know about the blurring between aether concepts and quantum theory..... 

(Even the title.  Both of this thread AND the device.  Is it becoming accepted that quantum theory is describing the aether?  Or is that connection being ignored?  Or is no-one even seeing the large gap between those two?  I may very well be totally wrong, but my first thought upon looking at the overall concept would have to be that this draws in aether energy, rather than utilizing quantum entanglement, if it really worked.)

OK, that's enough of my blabbing about things I know nothing about.  In certain ways, I AM a psudohuman, and as such should have no opinion.

I would be interested if someone could mention a method to get 10-15KW through that exciter Ckt, using Conventional, Real power (Not Reactive, etc.) because without that initial understanding, I would be lost as to what was really coming out of the device.  (I hope I am making sense....)

I have been waiting for someone to come along and talk about this magical QUANTUM exciter.  For it is the only Quantum part of the design.  Real problem is the manual is a fishing lure to conjure funding.  Not meant to be analyzed or replicated.  The completely unrelated Tesla patent was tossed in there for show.  The narrative changed from 60hz 240v 42A output in the manual (even 85A stated) to 400hz 2kv 5A output in the conferences.

A link at the serious multi level marketing perspective of the QEG: At 12:50 to save time http://youtu.be/dRstvWGuABM?t=12m50s
Straight to the business, do not pass go, do not collect 200.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 26, 2014, 11:56:44 AM
A new and improved animation of the QEG core flux gating is now available:

http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNq (http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNq)

I get a "An error occurred during validation.This video does not exist" error. Sorry about that...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 26, 2014, 05:16:13 PM
My bad.  I guess I dropped the last "o" when I copied the link the first time. 

The video is working on YT.  Here's a good link:

http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNqo

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 26, 2014, 05:51:11 PM
My bad.  I guess I dropped the last "o" when I copied the link the first time. 

The video is working on YT.  Here's a good link:

http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNqo (http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNqo)

Thanks for correcting the link. I put this comment on the video.... I won't be surprised, or offended, if you remove it!

---begin YT comment---

Did you expect to see something different? Don't you have any shaded pole synchronous AC motors in your home?

I think you are doing good work with FEMM. You are showing that the simulated device performs exactly as expected. But of course FEMM and all other simulation programs are based on ordinary standard physics, so they won't be able to show you any "free energy" or "overunity" performance. Remember Ibison's Law!

You can optimize all you like, but you can't make this thing produce output power sufficient to loop back to the drive motor for self-running. There is neither theoretical nor empirical support for that, the QEG people do not now and never have had a unit that does, and the version that Timothy Thrapp showed "running" years ago is a fake.

Whether you know it or not, you are participating in a cynical scam, by giving credence to the FTW "saviours of mankind". In a week, a month, a year from now, there will still be no self-running device from those people. But I encourage you to keep on, just try to stay away from the Dark Side of the Force. Asking for donations? Fine... as long as you aren't making unsupported, and unsupportable, claims, like the QEG people are making in their pleas for money.

--- end YT comment---
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 26, 2014, 06:49:24 PM
Thanks for correcting the link. I put this comment on the video.... I won't be surprised, or offended, if you remove it!

---begin YT comment---

Did you expect to see something different? Don't you have any shaded pole synchronous AC motors in your home?

I think you are doing good work with FEMM. You are showing that the simulated device performs exactly as expected. But of course FEMM and all other simulation programs are based on ordinary standard physics, so they won't be able to show you any "free energy" or "overunity" performance. Remember Ibison's Law!

You can optimize all you like, but you can't make this thing produce output power sufficient to loop back to the drive motor for self-running. There is neither theoretical nor empirical support for that, the QEG people do not now and never have had a unit that does, and the version that Timothy Thrapp showed "running" years ago is a fake.

Whether you know it or not, you are participating in a cynical scam, by giving credence to the FTW "saviours of mankind". In a week, a month, a year from now, there will still be no self-running device from those people. But I encourage you to keep on, just try to stay away from the Dark Side of the Force. Asking for donations? Fine... as long as you aren't making unsupported, and unsupportable, claims, like the QEG people are making in their pleas for money.

--- end YT comment---

Fair enough, although if you read though the comments on my YT channel in general, you'll find that I tolerate differing views, unless they are profane or disrespectful.  You raise valid issues.  However, do you have any idea how long it took to make those animations, the better part of a week for the two of them.  The analyses take time to generate, then the video editing takes more time.  The second video is composed of 72 individual analyses.  If someone wants to tip me a dollar or two to buy myself a beer for the vids, I'll take it.  If some one wants to give me enough money to build one of these things, perhaps my 1/2 scale one.  I'll that too, and publish the results.  This is just the kind of thing I find interesting, and this is the new social paradigm for people to get things done:  Get 10,000 honest folks to give $1, rather than getting 1 greedy investor to loan $10,000. 

I spent 10 years investigating inertial propulsion.  All of the credentialed people I talked with said that it also was all the rage in the 80's, and they eventually found out it fails to work.  I wrote two papers one on centrifugal propulsion and one on gyroscopic propulsion,  because I had math that said they would work.  I wrote those papers just to give to those people and say, "If this fails to work, show me where exactly I went wrong."  Every one I gave the papers to either refused to even read them or lacked the ability to articulate anything other than Newton's second law says it will fail to work, or point out exactly where I went wrong.  Finally, I realized that "Centrifugal Force" is a misnomer, and that misnomer perpetuates the misconception that inertial propulsion will work.

I had made a subtle mistake in my presumptions, specifically that centrifugal force was an actual force, as it's name implies, rather than just an inertial reaction to the application centripetal force.  The math was all correct, integrals and all, although it was all based on that erroneous presumption, and that's where I went wrong, before the math even started.  Now, I can explain why inertial propulsion will fail to propel anything in freespace in precise detail to anyone who is interested.

My conclusion is that the credentialed people I asked really failed to understand why it failed to work, they just accepted the official opinion of the scientific establishment that inertial propulsion fails to work.  So much for presuming PhDs actually understand what they are talking about.

Hence my motivation to look into the QEG.

Cheers,

FB 

BTW  I think you'll like how I edited the description boxes for the vids.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 26, 2014, 07:47:14 PM
Once you get to the Ph.D. level in research, it's pretty much assured that only three or four other people in the world can actually understand what you are talking about.... and conversely, the PhD will only be able to understand fully a very narrow, focussed research paradigm.

Newton's Laws are so firmly embedded in every moving device we have ever made, so it's pretty natural for scientists and especially engineers to dismiss out of hand anything that appears to violate them. So if you want people to pay attention to inertial (or inertialess) propulsion (which I have been doing seriously since 1999) you should put in bold type, right up front, how it does not violate Conservation of Momentum. If you can do that convincingly, then more of the mainstream scientists will take a second look.

If it does violate CofM, you also have an instant Free Energy generator as well as a reactionless propulsion mechanism.


Yes, I do have some idea of the work involved in the sims and the videos. It's a lot of work, and I think that the QEG people should cut you in on their profits!
 ;)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 26, 2014, 08:17:43 PM
I did actually think you had some idea about the sims.  :)

You might find it interesting that I did find an over-unity result in simulation for one device.  That was the the Milkovic Two-Stage Oscillator.  I made a model with a multi-body dynamics simulator called Freecad, and it showed up to 2x the input power being dissipated in a linear damper on the output of the device.  The video of that seems to have disappeared from my YT channel, and I did that work on another computer.  It might take me a while to locate it again.

Link to the MBD simulator:   http://www.askoh.com/


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 26, 2014, 09:11:47 PM
F_Brown,

That was a very nice simulation and I can see that it was a lot of work.

You state:

Quote
Presented is an improved animation of a series of FEMM, Finite Element Method Magnetics, analyses of the flux density in the QEG laminated, silicon steel core with a steady AC signal applied to the primaries of the genator and the secondaries open circuited.  It clearly shows the flux gating in the stator by the rotation of the amature.

It appears that the flux generated by the primaries is subtractive through the toroid itself, and addictive through the rotor.  The primary coils that generate the flux are in the north-east and south-west parts of the toroid.  You should have stated that for your viewers because this type of material will be totally new to some of them.

I am having a hard time seeing the AC component of the flux generation itself.  I see green through bright pink corresponding to low through high flux density, but I don't necessarily see an AC component in the flux generation by the "invisible" coils.  It almost looks like every frame consists of the same DC flux generation from the coils, and the flux intensity is modulated alone by the position of the rotor.

Also, if there is indeed AC flux generation due to AC current through the "invisible" coils you make no comments about the frequency and phase relationship between the flux generation and the rotation of the rotor.

Note that we are often information starved in the realm of free energy.  You did a great job on the animation, but resolving the issues mentioned above would be very helpful.  One of the problems is that when people present their data they forget that the people reading their postings or watching their video clips are not in the "experimenter's bubble."  What the experimenter is doing seems clear and obvious to the experimenter, and they don't realize that the people looking at their presentation are not in their own bubble.  For a details person like me, it drives me nuts.

Take the example of when people do some sort of bench test and they do a YouTube clip and they don't show a schematic.  Sometimes they give you a verbal description of the schematic like they expect you to keep a visualization of the circuit in your head while they run the experiment.  It's ridiculous and nobody can follow and it's a pain for details people.

One last example is where people play with that green magnetic viewing paper.  I have watched dozens and dozens of clips of people using the magnetic viewing paper and I have never seen someone explain what the different shadings in the paper mean.  EMjunkie points to some lines on the magnetic viewing paper and says, "Look, Bloch walls."  I will get into that debate with him next week.

Okay so let me change postings to actually comment on the animation.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 26, 2014, 10:00:04 PM
F_Brown,

I am going to assume that the coils that generate the flux through the toroid have DC current flowing through them for each individual frame in your animation like I state in my previous posting.  The AC component of the flux is caused by the rotor position.  Even if this assumption is wrong, it won't affect my main points in this posting.

What you can see in your clip is that when the rotor approaches the vertical or horizontal position, there is increasing flux flowing through the rotor.  That would correspond to magnetic attraction between the turning rotor and the mating components of the toroid.  So during this phase there is clockwise torque on the rotor from the the flux source in the toroid.

Likewise when the rotor is leaving the horizontal or vertical position, there is decreasing flux flowing through the rotor and that would also cause attraction between the rotor and the toroid.  During this phase there would be counter-clockwise torque on the rotor and that corresponds to magnetic drag on the external drive motor, Lenz law in action.

In the real QEG setup that magnetic drag/Lenz law will correspond to the rotating rotor giving a "kick" to the LC resonator and that kick requires mechanical energy that is supplied by the drive motor - you can't escape Mother Nature.

Your animation clearly shows that the rotating rotor will modulate the flux through the toroid-rotating rotor system.  That will stir up changing flux and changing currents through the coils of the LC resonator and also through the output coils into the load.  The timing relationships at resonance will stabilize and there will be magnetic drag that resists the rotation of the rotor, there is no doubt.

As was stated before, this is a kind of glorified pick-up coil on a pulse motor that is driving a capacitor to form an LC resonator.  You set up the timing so the pulse motor rotates such that the pick-up coil LC resonator is driven at the resonant frequency by the magnets passing the pick-up coil.   You end up with a large amplitude AC voltage/current set of waveforms in the pick-up coil and that represents a kind of matched load and a huge power drain.  When you add a load to the pick-up coil LC resonator you start to draw some power away from the LC resonator and the total power drain decreases and the pulse motor speeds up.

Going back to the QEG, understanding what it does in the real world will require producing a complete timing diagram for it tracking what is happening at resonance for all of the currents and magnetic flux flows, the whole nine yards.  You could wrap sensing coils around the four quadrants of the toroid and measure the voltages and then use those voltage waveforms to derive the magnetic flux flows through each of the four quadrants.   You simply integrate on the voltage waveforms with respect to time to get the flux waveforms.  That information would allow you to derive the flux flow through the rotor itself.  You would have to pick up a sensing tick from the rotating rotor so that you could track the rotor angle on your timing diagram.  And so on and so on....

There is almost no point in doing this because nobody is going to measure over unity from this $5000 paperweight.

Beyond that, I don't get the sense that James M. Robitaille would be capable of doing this level of analysis even if he wanted to.  One could expect that none of the New Age hangers-on could do this and their eyes glazed over after reading the first few sentences of this posting.

This is not going to have a happy ending.  If it's true that there are 200 orders for the toroid and coils with the fancy dielectric potting compound at $3000 USD each, that's $600,000 USD.  Six-hundred thousand dollars!  Considering how easy it will be for all of these burned replicators to find each other, one possibility is a class action lawsuit against the perpetrators of this farce.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 26, 2014, 10:45:16 PM
F_Brown,

I am going to assume that the coils that generate the flux through the toroid have DC current flowing through them for each individual frame in your animation like I state in my previous posting.  The AC component of the flux is caused by the rotor position.  Even if this assumption is wrong, it won't affect my main points in this posting.



The primaries are energized with fixed AC current, 0.9 A @ 1khz.  The armature rotates much slower than that, so the color plotting represents average flux density in the core over time.  This is much different mode of operation than what James is doing.  The animation is is just to illustrate the flux gating behavior in the core and to explore how much current and applied voltage it take to drive the core to optimal maximum flux density levels, which in this case I have set to in the 1.4 to 1.5 Tesla range, in order to keep the core from going into saturation.

Quote

What you can see in your clip is that when the rotor approaches the vertical or horizontal position, there is increasing flux flowing through the rotor.  That would correspond to magnetic attraction between the turning rotor and he mating components of the toroid.  So during this phase there is clockwise torque on the rotor from the the flux source in the toroid.

Likewise when the rotor is leaving the horizontal or vertical position, there is decreasing flux flowing through the rotor and that would also cause attraction between the rotor and the toroid.  During this phase there would be counter-clockwise torque on the rotor and that corresponds to magnetic drag on the external drive motor, Lenz law in action.

In the real QEG setup that magnetic drag/Lenz law will correspond to the rotating rotor giving a "kick" to the LC resonator and that kick requires mechanical energy that is supplied by the drive motor - you can't escape Mother Nature.

   

In this particular device Lenz force effects are really minimal, since the armature lacks any windings.  An armature without windings was one of James fundamental design parameters, so chosen to minimize Lenz force dragging.  As it is there is only a little bit of Lenz force generated in the rotor by eddy currents in rotor laminations.  Those laminations are designed to minimize the formation of eddy currents. 

Quote

Your animation clearly shows that the rotating rotor will modulate the flux through the toroid-rotating rotor system.  That will stir up changing flux and changing currents through the coils of the LC resonator and also through the output coils into the load.  The timing relationships at resonance will stabilize and there will be magnetic drag that resists the rotation of the rotor, there is no doubt.

   

I imagine there will be significant cogging as the device goes into resonance.  This is probably what causes the change in the sound of the QEG as it starts to light up the light bulbs in the video.  That effect of that cogging could be minimized with the use of a flywheel, and or with multiple QEGs on a single shaft arranged in a staggered configuration.

Quote

As was stated before, this is a kind of glorified pick-up coil on a pulse motor that is driving a capacitor to form an LC resonator.  You set up the timing so the pulse motor rotates such that the pick-up coil LC resonator is driven at the resonant frequency by the magnets passing the pick-up coil.   You end up with a large amplitude AC voltage/current set of waveforms in the pick-up coil and that represents a kind of matched load and a huge power drain.  When you add a load to the pick-up coil LC resonator you start to draw some power away from the LC resonator and the total power drain decreases and the pulse motor speeds up.

Going back to the QEG, understanding what it does in the real world will require producing a complete timing diagram for it tracking what is happening at resonance for all of the currents and magnetic flux flows, the whole nine yards.  You could wrap sensing coils around the four quadrants of the toroid and measure the voltages and then use those voltage waveforms to derive the magnetic flux flows through each of the four quadrants.   You simply integrate on the voltage waveforms with respect to time to get the flux waveforms.  That information would allow you to derive the flux flow through the rotor itself.  You would have to pick up a sensing tick from the rotating rotor so that you could track the rotor angle on your timing diagram.  And so on and so on....

   

Yep.

Quote

There is almost no point in doing this because nobody is going to measure over unity from this $5000 paperweight.

Beyond that, I don't get the sense that James M. Robitaille would be capable of doing this level of analysis even if he wanted to.  One could expect that none of the New Age hangers-on could do this and their eyes glazed over after reading the first few sentences of this posting.

   

I've been wondering about that too.  Supposedly he's a non-degreed motor lamination designer.  Most likely he was educated by the company or companies for which he worked.  Educated that is to use the companies preferred motor core design software to create cores according to customers requested performance specs.  As you mentioned from the comments he has made in his videos and his failure to provide more sophisticated information, I'm also tending to doubt he's ever designed a motor from scratch using just theory and general purpose computational electro-magnetics tools such as FEMM.   

Quote

This is not going to have a happy ending.  If it's true that there are 200 orders for the toroid and coils with the fancy dielectric potting compound at $3000 USD each, that's $600,000 USD.  Six-hundred thousand dollars!  Considering how easy it will be for all of these burned replicators to find each other, one possibility is a class action lawsuit against the perpetrators of this farce.

MileHigh

Probably so as so many devices have had before.  Even if it fails as an over-unity generator is still functions as an under-unity generator.  So, in either case the final product could do more than just hold down papers, and I'd still enjoy building and testing one.

BTW   I re-edited the description boxes for the videos.  Could you recheck them and see if I left out anything you mentioned.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 26, 2014, 11:09:38 PM
F_Brown,

Thanks for your comments.  The thing that comes to my mind front and center is the power cost in sustaining the resonant mode.  When Conradelectro did his own "pick-up coil in resonance" experiments we finally had all of the data, the wire resistance, the RMS voltage and RMS current measurements, the inductance and capacitance values, etc.  We were finally in a position to measure the amount of power dissipated in the pick-up coil LC resonator system.   Note the pick-up coil LC resonator was not doing anything useful, it was just "sitting there" burning off power and causing Lenz drag on the pulse motor.

With the QEG in resonance, and not driving a load (similar to the pulse motor setup) with the extremely high voltages and corresponding currents, I wonder what the power cost will be to just have the QEG "sitting there" in resonance and not driving a load.   Then they can connect a load and make the same measurements again and see how much power is being dissipated in the load and in the LC resonator.  If some of the replicators do have the experience and skill set to do this, I think we may see a lot of raised eyebrows!

I really hope that a lot or official QEG "be-do" forum readers and contributors are "secretly" reading this thread!  lol

MileHigh

P.S.:  I read your updated comments on your YouTube video and they look great.  (Minor typo in the last paragraph - it happens to me all the time!  lol)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 26, 2014, 11:21:21 PM
I did actually think you had some idea about the sims.  :)

You might find it interesting that I did find an over-unity result in simulation for one device.  That was the the Milkovic Two-Stage Oscillator.  I made a model with a multi-body dynamics simulator called Freecad, and it showed up to 2x the input power being dissipated in a linear damper on the output of the device.  The video of that seems to have disappeared from my YT channel, and I did that work on another computer.  It might take me a while to locate it again.

Link to the MBD simulator:   http://www.askoh.com/ (http://www.askoh.com/)

Heh... and I've made several "working" gravity and spring-powered wheels in Algodoo/Phun! Also perpetual chaotic pendulums, which are pretty neat when you also use the function that makes a trace of the motion. Of course these are all done with zero air resistance and zero-friction bearings, and so forth.

Applying Ibison's Law, we conclude that the sims are incorrectly rounding or approximating somewhere, or even making more severe errors.

 :D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 26, 2014, 11:33:30 PM
Miles,

FEMM is quite sophisticated.  It's actually able to calculate the Lenz forces generated by the eddy currents in the M19 and other laminated core materials.  That is. just as soon as I figure out how to ask it to do that...


TinselKoala,

I had trouble getting Phun to run under Linux.  Eventually, I found FreeCAD from Professor Koh.  It's actually pretty neat.  I do still have a video of a Milkovic dual pendulum oscillating in freespace.  That was one of the things that helped me get over the inertial propulsion idea.

http://youtu.be/luH3ab5YjrU

The device was constrained in one plane.  Now that I have a faster computer I might be able to make a better video.

And just for giggles:

http://youtu.be/GUWzPTaa8i0

Ha, I also have some math that says a gravity motor is possible.  It takes a ton of revolving mass to generator 20kW.  I still have yet to figure out how to implement the math in a practical device though...  :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 26, 2014, 11:46:51 PM
Did you ever wonder where the "400 Hz" came from? Why in the world... or at least in countries where the line frequency is 60 Hz not 50 Hz... would any designer select 400 Hz?

Should we go back to WWII and re-study the Dynamotor Power Supply used to make DC from battery/generators into HV AC at 400 Hz for aircraft and marine applications? 400 Hz is used in these applications, of course, because the transformers and other components can be lighter in weight than 50-60 Hz transformers. And... there are many many AC powered instruments of that vintage that are designed to work on 400 Hz as well as on 50-60 Hz.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 26, 2014, 11:49:52 PM
@F_Brown: I use Ubuntu Linux, and algodoo/phun works fine for me.... ??

And of course, power is not energy. 20 kW from a ton of mass? No problem. Keep that output level going for longer than it takes the mass to fall down to the lowest point of its motion... then we can start the party!




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 26, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
Yeah, I know about aviation 400 Hz.  The shuttles had four 90 amp 28V 400Hz power circuits.

Who knows why James chose it?  He just said it had to do with mechanical resonance in the transformer lams... 

It's impossible for me to say anything about it without some hands on time.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 27, 2014, 12:59:04 AM
So the idea is to get everything vibrating mechanically as much as possible? Well, that certainly is "out of the box" thinking.


(Out of the CrackerJack box, maybe?)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 27, 2014, 02:20:03 AM
I figure, if transformer laminations had any kind of piezo-electric or acoustic-electric effect it would be well known by now.

I estimate the DC resistance for each half of the primary winding to be 42 Ohms, that would be 84 ohms for the whole primary.  I figured the mean path length of 16" for each turn, multiplied by 3100 turns, added 48" for leads, divided by 12 to get feet, then multiplied by 0.01015 ohms per foot for 20awg wire to get 42 ohms for each half of the primary winding. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 27, 2014, 03:03:43 AM
I figure, if transformer laminations had any kind of piezo-electric or acoustic-electric effect it would be well known my now.
Lamination stacks and to a greater extent the windings around them exhibit  magnetostrictive effects.  Manufacturers of quality line frequency magnetics adequately vacuum impregnate the finished magnetics with epoxy.  Manufacturers of junk like Hampton Bay ceiling fans from Home Depot save a few pennies by dispensing with good practices and as a result their products exhibit annoying line frequency hum.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tysb3 on April 27, 2014, 04:16:25 AM
resonance of steel creates electricity1 wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 27, 2014, 05:35:05 AM
MarkE,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostriction

I suppose this qualifies as well known, although I have yet to read anything that associates magnostriction with anomalous energy production in transformers.  If James means magnostriction when he says "piezo effect" why avoid just using the proper term?  Also the Taiwan crowd is going to have their next core dipped in epoxy potting material to increase the insulation value of the primary.  Maybe that will cancel out any existing "piezo effect"...


tysb3,

I want to see that guy repeat his experiment by tapping on the transformer with non-magnetic material.  He could have magnetized that piece of metal he is using, or it might just have residual magnetism in it, and so the signal shown on the scope could be from that magnetism interacting with the transformer core.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 27, 2014, 05:46:49 AM
resonance of steel creates electricity1 wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc)



Once again, this calls for my semi regular posted quote from Ed Leedskalnin:

" I made a lot more electricity with steel than I ever made with copper ".

And I believe this one came from Ed also:

" Ring the bell ".


Regards...

 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tysb3 on April 27, 2014, 06:53:09 AM
I consider to do little experiment with MOT and piezo elements
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 27, 2014, 06:54:06 AM
Well, there does seem to be a couple of related phenomenon that might have possibilities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezomagnetism which is a first order effect, and I suppose this is from where James got the "Piezo" term he's been using.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostriction which is a second order effect. and it's counterpart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_magnetostrictive_effect

If the magnetic domains are interacting with the zero point energy field as they are electrically, magnetically, and physically oscillated in a state of resonance that could be a potential doorway for the inflow of anomalous energy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on April 27, 2014, 11:11:34 AM
Is it possible that there is a skin affect taking place once the voltage is high enough?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 27, 2014, 01:07:25 PM
I don't know if it do the same thing with an alternator but with a DC motor when you have a certain totale electrical resistance of the circuit (not too high) you can turn the motor as easy than if you where turning it with no load (with fingers of course), I don't know too if it is the same resistance for differents motors or different speed of the same motor but it is very intersting.

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Mh, no, after mature reflections I do not think this is too interesting
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 27, 2014, 04:46:02 PM
That's the Lenz forces in action, and in the case of the QEG it lacks direct correlation because the DC motor has windings on it's armature that create the bulk of those Lenz forces, while the QEG lacks winding on it's armature and so lacks the same magnitude of Lenz force generation in it armature, only a relatively small amount of Lenz forces are generated in the QEG's rotor by the eddy currents in the rotor laminations in comparision.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 27, 2014, 09:34:50 PM
Here is the text from an email sent to me today...this may be of interest some or many.


"  Many have played with crystals and caused the fields to expand using their own minds and hearts, not calling this a Quantum experience, but that is only vocabulary.
 
 
What the psi community can offer in this, is the comprehension, that over a "vibrational link" such as the one we use to slide into our physical bodies, or a quartz crystal, there is a 2 way access flow.
 
If a person scans me, and I become aware, I can use their link to scan them back. A vibration link is 2 way. Psi links operate between platonic form vibration centers. The outer boundary of the universe is such a vibration center, and the core of every atom is another.
 
 
There is then an extension, where I can learn to scan anything, even a rock, from it's center of gravity, I can then access information. This process can keep moving either larger or smaller through the universe, because it is universal.
 
Years of meditation, discovery of the outer boundary, as well as the atomic levels, and the way coherent fields actually work.
 
We are all familiar with a coherent magnetic field, and how the irons atoms will collectively align in co operation to generate a magnetic field larger then the magnet that can then attract iron inwards to it at some distance through space.
 
This is only one type of field coherence.
 
The electric field can traverse copper medium at c velocity and will surround a piece of copper to some distance outwards, as a coherent electron field [electric].
 
 
The field being missed by all these people who are failing to produce OU, is the tempic field, which they are not yet aware of, and was discovered in the 50s by Wilbert Smith. Lindeman, has never succeeded at this type of field coherence, as Joe of Joe Cell has. A self organizing field, with rings or layering, mirroring an atom.
 
 
He can make statements like "it is impossible" but these statements only apply to him and reflect where he is at in the conscious levels of comprehension.
 
What issues forth from the mouth reflects where we are at, it has no bearing on the real world or where others are at.
 
 
The earth continues to move about the sun, without Lindeman's help.
Just because he cannot understand how that works, does not make his negativity true, that it is "impossible" to understand.
 
"People worship", others knowledge, placing responsibility of defining my truth by their expertise, and this is one of the things we need to get past. I do not care what Lindeman states, I seek only the truth for myself.
 
Lindeman states it is a "fraud" because he already checked it out and it did not work for him! OK. How is that a failure? That is a tidbit of knowledge with reference to him, and coming from him, so it "his truth."
 
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I have continued to explain the path to accessing the quantum levels to seek power from Source. Sensitivity is necessary and we are spreading the techniques to achieve that sensitivity. Resonant rods, feeling vibration, and learning to scan the center of mass of an object, as Arno does with rocks. Joe Cell work, vibration tubes, using calipers .....etc.. This is the bottom of the chain of interactive learning from nature as it actually operates.
 
Healing the body.....
 
This is Quantum access, using a different vocabulary.
 
The fields are intelligent, and conscious. And when you see a group working with that aspect of the fields, where they have realized the quantum energy is intelligent, then that is where truth will be discovered for them.
 
 
There is no way to get there without the Spiritual opening, and the two types of truth become one.
 
 
Bismuth coils with opposing magnetic fields, scalar cancelling, produce psi vibration. This energy works at the pineal area of the brain to sensitize the spherical awareness sense. It is very simple to study and profound to experience.
 
 
 
 
The light rods expose the smaller distance resonances of the atomic layers and bring them up to our level of dimension for study.
 
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Spiritual awareness is perception from the outer boundary of the universe looking inwards to see all things as one. We already exist there!
 
Science awareness, is perception from the small body of the individual that looks out into the same universe and sees only separation of all things. It cannot locate Source energy of the universe from this perception, but can work backwards with assistance from the Spirit perception.
 
This is the construct of the universe!
We are already connected on both ends of it.
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Comprehension in this, by having both awareness's turned on simultaneously, cannot be achieved from Lindeman's perception level. [He does not see where Source energy of the universe comes from.]
 
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QED physics is the closest dead end, to awakening a scientist, but it cannot end there, it must then become experimental, in that one realizes they are "inside the universe" and a part of it, then also exist on its outer boundary and can look in to see all things as one...
 
When you create a vibrational bubble the first time, your body will likely be inside it also.
 
When you discover your own auric field, you wake up inside them.
 
The awareness is larger then the physical body, information can be obtained scientifically from outside the body. My whole path is there in the recorded documents, following Wilbert Smiths example and what I personally found to be true from what he states plainly.
 
There was no place in my progression where I had to use any faith at all. As a matter of fact I had to reject all past faith and only see reality at each step as my truth in the moment. So few Spiritual journeys are recorded in this way, and it take considerable effort to function in Za Zen to allow the recording of a Spiritual journey or a "slide" as it is happening.
 
Do not place the responsibility for success of OU energy on others. It is a reflection of our development as a species to master a thing "personally."
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If I can get OU energy to work on my bench with an autotransformer, a lamp dimmer, a 100 watt light bulb, and a diode bridge, I know others will also if they continue to seek it's solution.
 
I do not believe it can be accomplished by anyone who is unaware of the vibrational paths function in the atomic fields... the nuclear strong force. All the clues are there in the science, and I could go through each one again if it is desired to show the energy levels in the atom are self sustaining, and self correcting, based on what we already know. Science has already shown the location where gravity is a conversion of mass!
 
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[I fail to see how anyone seeking can miss this stuff, if they are willing to just catch up with current science.
Lindeman obviously has no QED understanding. And this is electrical energy at the smallest level humans have studied it, with empirical proofs at each step.]
 
 
Can you answer the following questions?
 
Where is the place in creation where Gravity originates, and has already been recorded by our science?
 
Where is the "location" we have observed mass conversion to energy in our science and in nature?
 
Does it follow Einstein's formula E = MC^2?
 
QED in a physics department of any large college has these answers, and Lindeman is blind to this knowledge. His statements reveal he has no comprehension of what science has already observed, let alone take it any further.
 
The next step, from where QED leaves off, includes, psi phenomena. There is no way past this hurdle.
 
You cannot open the "saucer phenomena" without opening the psi box. Free energy is the side effect of understanding at this level of quantum phenomena, where you are interactive consciously with the devices energy field.
 
That is where our current science is stuck. Wilbert Smith is the next leap after you have comprehension of current sciences "ending point".
 
Wilbert Smith gave us the path for experimental progression, showing exactly how to unite the conscious science with the physical science.
 
Go back to square one, as a seeker of truth, and then learn the correct structure of the universe beginning at the point of "nothing at all." Realize consciousness is step one......the rest is organized in pattern of structure, and without the understanding of consciousness roll in the first paragraphs, none of the rest will be graspable as important.
 
http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci.htm)
 
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I will offer an example of one thing easily verifiable being totally ignored by these seekers working only from the physical level, and ignoring their crystals.
 
1 - fission gives off incredible energy
2 - fusion gives off incredible energy
 
How is it possible to take elements from the periodic table and get energy out by taking them apart, and still get energy out by putting them back together?  Shifting them along the table of elements converting them into other elements, moving either direction, always creates energy out.
 
 
What is more eye opening is when you look at the actual numbers for each process, and realize this is creation of energy as matter is assembled, created, transmuted, or destroyed.
 
How is it a college student cannot see this when it is taught them in its smaller pieces?
It is because they do not see the whole picture at once or ever consider all the experiments simultaneously.
 
 
How is it the strong force of the atom, converts mass into energy, when the atom is assembled? An energy bubble that is self organizing and self recovering? When assembled from its parts looses weight and also increases in energy, the bubble effect that self organizes. Creating a force field that is 137 times stronger then EM to hold itself together as one atom.
 
 
Anyone seeking these answers can now find them. To "comprehend" the knowledge is however something which cannot be taught.
 
Wilbert stated, the Aliens explained, we cannot teach you, will can only assist your learning. You must go through the learning process "alone" as a seeker of "comprehension" at each step for yourself. Then nothing will be able to shake you up, as all you know is based in truth.
 
This is an honest path with self and the universe, and no other presence necessary.
After you do the work for yourself, the answers are more obvious.
 
As with Spirituality, you can not advance on the shirt tail of some expert. You have to put in the personal effort and become the seeker.
 
It is not a surprise to me that Spiritual people will be the first to show this to the world.
 
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Wilbert Smith gave us the method, but as to him, he never truly realized it for himself. He opened a door and proved to himself, it is possible. This was the 50s tech that created craft which eventually worked and was accomplished by Carr a decade later, using the same "conscious techniques" to explore the universe as it works for himself.
 
You can not get there, without addressing the nature of atoms, solar systems, consciousness, and Source power of the universe, for yourself.
 
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Because so much "self education" is necessary, I had pretty much given up attempts to pass it on to others, as I have experienced it for myself. I am not bold enough to present a quantum bubble generator to the world, knowing only a very few out there may be successful at this time in getting it to work.
 
It is a very personal thing to tune into a light rod the size of 44" using a pin to access the points of the GL wavelength, and begin to converse with the GL fractal intelligently at a quantum level. The mass of a 5/8 to 3/4" rod is plenty to have this experience for yourself. Ask Howard, he actually did it too.
 
What is not obvious from the document is that I was on a "path" of which this was only one of the steps along it necessary. This is the part they have not yet accomplished to comprehension of how the universe operates physically.
 
There is no release of energy obvious in the operation of the atomic level, to being at the dimension we occupy in size, other then "us." But we can learn to "see" the motion and the fields operating to sustain matter.
 
 
When I realized this for myself I attempted to share the path with others, but only the "healers" and chi masters  could even understand it. That is because they possess something science has not fostered, personal connection with the experiments. A psi connection. Teach the student, in true learning there is only the person and the universe, and this connection does not involve anyone else. Within it there is everything that is.
 
This is the same level where a person in Karate actually begins to advance radically. They get their "black belt" and start teaching themselves, dropping the teacher as the force that motivates them. All things that slow down their punch will be discovered to be inside them, and that is where they are altered.
 
 
Ultimately it led me to being able to open a Quantum portal approximately 9 feet in diameter that self powered a light bulb. The experience was very personal and very amazing. Then I stopped for a long time, and in a state of awe pondering how it could ever be taught to another human, as a science.
 
I sought a dumb way to do it, so the conscious element could be avoided.
I have not succeeded in that progression, and from all we have observed I no longer believe it could be possible.
 
The Hendershot device, stopped working when he died. None have worked since. The list goes on and on, repeating the same information over and over. Keeley .......etc.
 
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How can an arc be used to access the quantum levels "accurately?"
 
The person doing the accessing, must aim the device to the correct level of connection "consciously." Same as bringing up the field around a quartz crystal.
 
Or the device must be conscious at the level of operation the energy will be released on, set up already by someone else with this ability.
 
Arcs put out a spread spectrum of energy points, and when infinite fractals are used in mixing multiple frequencies it is possible to cross the wavelengths of atomic level, and have the tempic field form a field coherence you can access consciously. Joe Cell work has been teaching this for a long time with water and electrical "taps" on the cells tubes, which is really all you need to master to cause the water to go sparkling clean.
 
 
The coherent field a meditator can generate around a crystal, by connecting with it and then; having the crystal amplify it, is the same as the strong force bubble inside every atom. They all respond to our consciousness.
We can pull them up to our dimension of size because this is where we are conscious and there are infinite fractals possible.
 
 
We must be the conduit to open the devices portal access, after which it can maintain itself as a new CU bubble or self sustaining life form.
 
This last line is where Lindeman fails to have success on every attempt. While an expert with current EM technology, he lacks the comprehension of the Quantum access process from direct experience. He never mentions the tempic field or consciousness at all.
 
I stopped trying to do it after I succeeded, then I came back to the physical and began pondering how to get others to that point, that I not be a target, alone in this advance. It works. "


Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 27, 2014, 09:59:20 PM
Cap-Z-ro,

The thoughts expressed in the email are quite
interesting.

The source of this "free energy" remains a
great mystery and clearly is not what/where
most experimenters believe it to be.  Not
all are able to summon it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: IBreal on April 27, 2014, 11:00:26 PM
HopeGirl Shares Her Feelings And Sexual Thoughts About The QEG From Morocco

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thecollectiveimagination/2014/04/21/the-one-people-2122-april-2014/scrub/2838

You can't make this stuff up, download it and confirm for yourself towards end of broadcast, time markers and transcript included below:

1:20:57 We call the QEG a she, she is a being.  She has a personality, she has a way of dictating things, she has a way of pulling people into a group to build her and pushing certain people out because they might have hidden agendas.

1:22:10 I personally feel very very connected to the QEG.  I feel very connected to her, I feel that she wants something. she needs something, she wants the people that are working around her to learn a lesson or to discover something about themselves in the process and as soon as we discover that then we can move forward.

1:22:30 So how does this relate to  s e x?  What we are doing here is creation, our sexuality is our power.

1:23:07 The QEG is creating a desire.  A desire in all of our hearts that are here to bring this parts towards us, to pull these parts in.   

1:23:33 The really difficult parts, they are here (Morocco).  The two main parts that are still missing, that we're trying to get a hold off, is the core which is now waiting for us at customs, which we think we're going to get tomorrow, which is a round shape, a female shape.  And the shaft, which is a long pole, that goes into it.  The QEG is creating a desire in the hearts of all of us here.  And the core is desiring her shaft, and these people are getting on airplanes to bring the shaft and the core together.

I posted the above 3 days ago but it didn't get approved until today and was inserted way back in this thread.  So I'm posting this reference to it, they are more extreme comments from HopeGirl about the faith based 'touchy feely' direction being taken by Fix The World and being practiced by the moderators at the QEG forum.  It potentially sets up a ready excuse: We can't get the QEG to work because the world is not ready for it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 28, 2014, 01:37:45 AM
The QED Saga continues in Marrocco now.

Here is the latest circuit diagramm:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=641629269244552&set=pb.612141065526706.-2207520000.1398639803.&type=3&permPage=1

Here is a Facebook group where they posted the new build pictures:

https://www.facebook.com/OPCAouchtam

And here are the newest videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsFAF1_8B5cZ7YhpcjFFNfA/videos


Especially this video is hillarious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TbAr-gC9D4

where Fakegirl and her mother cry and shout at the end of the video,
although there is no selflooping going on... just lighting 2 bulbs with no measurements given....

The donation scam continues...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 28, 2014, 05:38:44 AM
Concerning the schematic, I would put smoothing caps and maybe chokes after the rectifiers before the motor and after the rectifiers before the looping circuitry to help obtaining steady results to measure input power verses output power.

Closing the loop would be optional, if they would just show more out then in open loop with sound measuring methods.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on April 28, 2014, 07:22:29 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10202839216796293
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 28, 2014, 07:29:22 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10202839216796293
It looks like a bad joke.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on April 28, 2014, 08:08:01 AM
I know! Surely they do not intend on sending this thing around the world, and putting it together just to light up a few bulbs.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 28, 2014, 08:34:16 AM
The QED Saga continues in Marrocco now.

Here is the latest circuit diagramm:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=641629269244552&set=pb.612141065526706.-2207520000.1398639803.&type=3&permPage=1

Here is a Facebook group where they posted the new build pictures:

https://www.facebook.com/OPCAouchtam

And here are the newest videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsFAF1_8B5cZ7YhpcjFFNfA/videos


Especially this video is hillarious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TbAr-gC9D4

where Fakegirl and her mother cry and shout at the end of the video,
although there is no selflooping going on... just lighting 2 bulbs with no measurements given....

The donation scam continues...

And it will keep going.  Look how long Ke$he is keeping his going.  I am still waiting for just one of countless Americans to be approached by the QEG group to build a unit.  Not your average jane or joe but any of the long since well known experimenters that have put great effort into alternative energy.  People with wonderful building and engineering skills.  People, hint hint, capable of measuring power, power factor, power phase, people who could provide an efficiency number other than the word RESONANCE.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on April 28, 2014, 09:28:13 AM
And check out all 4 of these. Talking about the cart before the horse!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6jI_bvKwrI
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 28, 2014, 02:44:31 PM
Cap-Z-ro,

The thoughts expressed in the email are quite
interesting.

The source of this "free energy" remains a
great mystery and clearly is not what/where
most experimenters believe it to be.  Not
all are able to summon it.



When he mentioned that the Hendershot device hasn't worked since his death, it reminded me of Daniel Pomerlou, who can seemingly create free energy through intent.

Clearly part of the picture is missing.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 28, 2014, 05:18:58 PM
I made one of the related patent scans better though intent.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 28, 2014, 05:21:57 PM
And check out all 4 of these. Talking about the cart before the horse!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6jI_bvKwrI

Core values you will hear many times.  Basic multilevel marketing 101.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 28, 2014, 05:58:47 PM


Once again, this calls for my semi regular posted quote from Ed Leedskalnin:

" I made a lot more electricity with steel than I ever made with copper ".

And I believe this one came from Ed also:

" Ring the bell ".


Regards...

So did "Sweet Sixteen"......
Quote
Now, I am going to tell you what I mean when I say "Ed's Sweet Sixteen". I don't mean a sixteen year old girl, I mean a brand new one. If it had meant a sixteen year old girl, it would have meant at the same time, that I made money for the sweet sixteen while she was making love with a fresh boy.

 :-\ ??? :-[

http://www.leedskalnin.com/Leedskalnins-Writings-A-Book-In-Every-Home.html

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 28, 2014, 06:00:52 PM
And it will keep going.  Look how long Ke$he is keeping his going.  I am still waiting for just one of countless Americans to be approached by the QEG group to build a unit.  Not your average jane or joe but any of the long since well known experimenters that have put great effort into alternative energy.  People with wonderful building and engineering skills.  People, hint hint, capable of measuring power, power factor, power phase, people who could provide an efficiency number other than the word RESONANCE.

That is the very _last_ thing that the QEG people will want or permit. And you and I both know why that is.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 28, 2014, 06:05:31 PM
Is it possible that there is a skin affect taking place once the voltage is high enough?

The only "skin effect" you will see from these people is "skinning" the fish: removing "skins" (paper currency) from the fish and transferring it into Robitaille and WhateverGirl's vacation fund.

QEG "information" is chum, people. Don't be a fish.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 28, 2014, 06:08:04 PM
It looks like a bad joke.

More like a shaggy dog story. Even bad jokes have punchlines. The QEG story winds up going nowhere, and leaving behind a whole bunch of very expensive doorstops.

The good news is.... they make great doorstops! "Have you seen my new doorstop? It's _resonant_."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on April 28, 2014, 11:04:33 PM

What I would do is take a spare QEG generator core as a temp. step down transformer 7:1 to step-down between the field
coils to the main coils. 120VAC / 7 = 17.1VAC. Use a bridge rectifier to rectify that signal and put some DC Electrolytic filter
capacitors on it. Now feed resultant 20VDC or whatever into a 12VDC->24VDC inverter 120VAC output hopefully 2KW max
hopefully sine-wave inverter Then plug the variac from the motor and a 1000Watt room heater load into the inverter. No
waste stabilization incandescent lamps. Plug variac and heater through two x Kilawatt Meters.

Show us the numbers from two Kilawatt meters the demonstrate current overunity energy production levels.

Then let control experts develop a controller for your resonant generator for you to stabilize it.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 29, 2014, 01:35:03 AM
Resonance may not be absolutely essential.

Zimmerman's generator has uncanny similarities
and is capable of operating with permanent
magnets.

Magnetic Field Reversals at the Output Coils
are easily accomplished.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2014, 02:42:44 AM
At this point I'm pretty convinced that when they see resonance they believe that a lot of excess power can be extracted from the system.  The problem has been explained many times now, the very high voltages and currents just represent stored reactive energy, i.e.; the storage of a fixed and relatively small amount of energy in an LC resonator.  To sustain the resonance, the power bleed off is balanced by the power addition, and that's even before you try to connect a load.  The clue that they (possibly) have no idea what they are doing is in the "surprise" that the coils are causing a dielectric breakdown and they have to use some fancy vacuum potting procedure.  That's because nobody would normally operate output coils like this, you are literally defeating the purpose of the output coils if you operate  them at their self-resonant frequency.  You actually want to stay away from the self-resonant frequency so they operate properly and produce output power (provided by some _other_ power source, like a magnet passing a coil and experiencing Lenz drag if and only if the coil is driving a load.)

So the whole thing is just a fake-out due to ignorance and/or stupidity and/or to con people out of money.

There isn't much more to say as far as I am concerned, but it will be fascinating to see how this one plays out because there is a lot of money on the table, and a lot of it is "new money" from New Agers and the like that are not used to seeing this thing happening.

And I know that there are many OU forum regulars that won't believe me and refuse to even acknowledge this explanation for what's happening.  They steadfastly believe in some sort of "magic" associated with resonance or they believe that this setup is truly a portal to "quantum energy" directly or indirectly due to the resonance.

Just watch the story play itself out.  Since the QEG team clearly doesn't understand what electrical resonance actually is and what it means (or that's what they are pretending), it's going to be a bumpy ride.

MileHigh

P.S.:  The notion that you have to believe that it's going to work to make it work is hogwash.  The poor African mother waiting for a QEG to power her water pump so she doesn't have to walk 10 kilometers to get potable water doesn't care about that New Age nonsense.  She just wants the pump to pump water and the power source to provide power to the pump, period.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2014, 02:51:24 AM
How do you get to Carnegie Hall and Nirvana?

Measurements, measurements, measurements.



People like HopeGirl, James M Robitaille, Wayne Travis, James Kwok, John Bedini, Peter Lindemann, the Mighty but Tiny engine guy, and a long host of aspiring free energy performers need to get this into their heads.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 29, 2014, 03:17:20 AM
I've made some progress in understanding how the QEG works by creating a SPICE model that simulates the parametric excitation and resonance.   Here some images from my simulation. 

It's interesting to note that this is only for one half of the QEG primary.  Both halves combined would double the output calculated here.

I also have realized what the exciter coils do.  They inject noise into the system to give the parametric pumping more to work with.  Although I wonder if that actually adds anything since so much current is already resonating in the tank circuit by then.

For me, there is only one question left...

How much input power does it take to do this?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: IBreal on April 29, 2014, 04:45:03 AM
A few days ago I was banned from the QEG Forum when my first post, which is quoted below, was submitted to the moderator for approval.  They must keep track of the computer it came from because another member of the same household which was a QEG Forum member and had received thanks from other members was also banned at the same time.  Since my reasonable post was blocked and got me banned I decided I would publicly post it here so that others who are objectively doing their QEG due diligence are aware that the QEG Forum moderators are not being objective and are NOT following their own QEG Forum Rules & Guidelines by blocking this type of post.

QEG Forum moderators banned me for attempting to start a new QEG Construction thread and post the following:

Quote
New Thread Title: Reasonable Questions/Concerns About QEG Claims and Operation

REQUIREMENT quoted directly from the QEG User Manual 3/25/14:
"The QEG is an electromechanical device and as such, safety for the individual and end user should always be of prime concern.  It is therefore essential that persons assembling the device are experienced in the field of electro-mechanical assembly.  A considerable level of knowledge in quantum physics is also required."

"It is imperative to understand YOU NEED PROFESSIONALS AND EXPERT ADVICE to build a QEG."

As stated in the QEG Users Manual in the above quotes and by James Robitaille, engineers and technical expertise will be required to co-develop, build, tune and install the QEG.  Technical members are needed to improve and/or solve the challenging technical problems that will need to be analyzed and resolved so that the QEG can be efficiently built and implemented to operate safely and reliably. The reasonable questions/concerns that are being raised are due to the claims made by James Robitaille and others from FTW about a free energy 10,000 watt QEG that can power a home, but raising these questions/concerns is starting to be discouraged in the QEG Forum Construction threads. 

Raising common sense questions and making fact based comments is part of doing one's due diligence before spending money or time on anything that could be very time consuming and costly.  Doing one's due diligence does not make one a naysayer or troll and should not be hastily dismissed as bringing 'negative force'.  No one with good common sense would buy something As-Is from someone they did not know without first asking questions and confirming it worked, this would apply even more so if it involved new/unproven technology like is claimed with the QEG. 

Successful technology is not based on faith, it is a major technical undertaking.  Those that make the claim have the burden of proof.  James Robitaille and anyone from FTW (or WITTS) can not reasonably expect that no skeptical questions will be asked before money and/or time is spent on unproven technology.  Reasonable questions should be expected until claims are proven.

CLAIM directly quoted from the QEG User Manual 3/25/14:
In the QEG, input power is used only to maintain resonance in the core, which uses a small fraction of the output power (under 1000 watts to produce 10,000 watts), and once running, the QEG provides this power to its own 1 horsepower motor. This is known as over-unity. Once the machine builds up to the resonant frequency, it powers itself (self-running).

From technical perspective here are just 5 factual challenges for the QEG thus far:
1. James R has not demonstrated a verifiable self running QEG, he stated in the Taiwan video that back home he had tried to manually switch the QEG output power to the DC motor but could not get it to self run.  He stated in the PESN video that he didn't have an inverter and thinks an inverter should provide the hold time needed during the switch over in order to get it to self run.  This was not accomplished at home or Taiwan, next attempt will be made in Morocco.
2. James R has not provided voltage, current, power or waveform measurement data for a running QEG, regardless of the reason it was not provided, this is critical data that would greatly help and needed by technical members.
3. James R reported that he called Torelco to stop production of the processed QEG cores until the high voltage arcing that damaged the QEG core windings in Taiwan could be resolved.
4. James R reported in his last video from Taiwan that while there he realized that the QEG needs to operate  at a higher output voltage which will change the QEG design again, he has already mentioned changes involving: secondary spark gap, interlayer insulation, vacuum impregnated windings, secondary wire gauge and number of windings, capacitance, inductance, RPM, and using higher voltage inverter or step-down transformer.
5. James R is still trying to figure out how the QEG works based on his own comments, others are being trained on a QEG that is not fully understood and which has not powered itself.  Morocco will be the third attempt location.

The QEG Forum Rules & Guidelines state that you're looking for people with constructive feedback and honest questions. That's what my post is about, reasonable questions are justified based on the QEG claims and the above facts alone.  If technical members are discouraged or prevented from raising reasonable questions and concerns the QEG will primarily become a faith based venture that will head in the same direction as the numerous free energy claims of the past.  With the New Paradigm Business Model being promoted for the QEG, it especially does not make sense from a good project management perspective to start to build the QEG before analyzing and addressing these types of questions and concerns which could potentially SAVE many members a great deal of TIME and MONEY.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 29, 2014, 05:05:27 AM
I would add to that something that I have yet to see explicitly mentioned anywhere, and that is by all accounts, regardless if the device operates under-unity or over-unity, there is a lethal combinations of voltages and currents present in the device when it is operating. 

All would be experimenters should be aware, that they are taking their life in their hands just being within arms reach of the QEG when it's running.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 29, 2014, 05:50:55 AM
That's absolutely right. The thing is dangerous on several levels. It has the rapid rotating part that experiences asymmetric loads. It has the bank of capacitors charged up to multi kilovolts. It has a relatively high current capability. That reactive power may not be extractable in a usable constant form but you can bet your bippy it can be discharged all at once into various kinds of short circuits. Capacitors can literally explode, and then _still_ kill you with residual charge in the pieces. Take that reactive power discharge from the caps across your chest and you are dead. Even if you take it from, say, your fingers to your elbow... you will literally cook an arc channel through your meat.

Fourteen years ago I was poking around inside a running dynamotor power supply, and took a discharge into my right thumb at the first knuckle, and out the tip from under the thumbnail. It still hurts and there is a stripe of dead meat under the nail, to this day, and that was a 400 Hz discharge of less than 300 volts.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 29, 2014, 06:01:14 AM
A few days ago I was banned from the QEG Forum when my first post, which is quoted below, was submitted to the moderator for approval.  They must keep track of the computer it came from because another member of the same household which was a QEG Forum member and had received thanks from other members was also banned at the same time.  Since my reasonable post was blocked and got me banned I decided I would publicly post it here so that others who are objectively doing their QEG due diligence are aware that the QEG Forum moderators are not being objective and are NOT following their own QEG Forum Rules & Guidelines by blocking this type of post.

QEG Forum moderators banned me for attempting to start a new QEG Construction thread and post the following:

(a very reasonable post making excellent points, omitted because it's right up above in the thread.)

You have made an error in your basic assumptions. I think you know what it is, too.

You are assuming that the QEG managers and string pullers are honestly trying to develop Robitaille's dream into a reality, and since Jim at least has some kind of technical education and industrial experience with vacuum cleaner motors, you assume that they would go about the process in a rational and straightforward manner.

However, that is not what is really happening. Do not be distracted by the Red Herrings of resonance, high voltage and great reactive power readings. This whole thing is about the Almighty Dollar Bill. The longer and harder it is to "develop" the device, the more money and the more exciting world travel for the QEG principals. There is also the Messiah factor. Who doesn't want to Save the World and go down in history as the single person who most advanced human culture on the planet? Even greater than Jesus F. Christ, who after all only reaches a third of the world. The QEG will reach every single person on the planet and benefit them all. Right?
So there is a cynical manipulation of "hopeful Messiahs" and it's being used to extract money from the faithful. Who is the cynical manipulator? WhateverGirl. Who is the hopeful Messiah? Robitaille.

Remember: the very best Red Herrings are real fish, and they look like they will be easy to catch. Meanwhile.... YOU are the real fish if you spend any money on this project before Robitaille comes up with a self runner on his own. Don't get eaten.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 29, 2014, 06:25:00 AM
@IBreal,
Very good questions.  If you manage to rejoin that forum ask a more simple and less "negative" (hehe) question.

1.  When will the changes be incorporated into the QEG manual released 3-25-2014?

The manual is all about 240v 42A 60hz but the builds are now all about 2kv 5A 400hz (change in narrative the usual smoke screen).
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 29, 2014, 06:57:59 AM
Hi everyone,

I edited a new video demo of the QEG test in Morocco so I could listen to it using headphones with volume maxed out to see if I could detect any change in RPM sound of the prime mover for the first seconds when resonance kicks in and before people start screaming. I repeated it 10 times and added the end segment which is also quiet.
I decide to share this instead of keeping this edited video for my study, so I upload it unlisted on my youtube account to help others who would like to see this. I also kept it in full HD so no Quality is lost.

To the best of my ability I could not detect much change in sound of the prime mover. Nothing compared to my test unit anyways, and they have 500 watts of load!
The thing I notice is the flashing of the bulbs. To me this is hard to believe 400Hz is involved. That is the main thing that does not look right to me at this time.

Please share your observations

Luc

Link to my edited version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y&feature=youtu.be)

Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7--G5qSDag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7--G5qSDag)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 29, 2014, 07:52:40 AM
From playing with the parameters of my SPICE  model, I have found that the parametric resonance is a rather sharp one,  By that I mean a relatively small change in any of the circuit values, results in a significant change in the performance of the device. 

The first image of the onset of parametric resonance I posted is using a heavy load.  That is a load just less than the amount that would stop the tank oscillations.  I noticed that detuning one or more of the circuit values results in an under-damped system.  The is one that over-shoots it's stable operating point then rebounds several times before settling down into stable operation.

Incandescent lights change their resistance value a lot as they heat up.  I would image that the changing resistance of the load combined with the sensitivity of the circuit, creates significant rebounding as things settle into thermally, electrically, and mechanically stable oscillation. 

Attached is an image of my model slightly detuned with a zero load, and this is with a stable resistance for the load.  Just imagine if the generator rebounds because the load is changing value as it heats up.  Then as the generator rebounds, putting out more power then less power the load follows in step, changing its resistance as it heats up and cools down due to the fluctuating output form the generator.  All this happens because the system is operating open loop, in this sense that is without a negative feedback loop and error amplifier as a regulated power supply would have.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: picowatt on April 29, 2014, 08:02:28 AM
Hi everyone,

I edited a new video demo of the QEG test in Morocco so I could listen to it using headphones with volume maxed out to see if I could detect any change in RPM sound of the prime mover for the first seconds when resonance kicks in and before people start screaming. I repeated it 10 times and added the end segment which is also quiet.
I decide to share this instead of keeping this edited video for my study, so I upload it unlisted on my youtube account to help others who would like to see this. I also kept it in full HD so no Quality is lost.

To the best of my ability I could not detect much change in sound of the prime mover. Nothing compared to my test unit anyways, and they have 500 watts of load!
The thing I notice is the flashing of the bulbs. To me this is hard to believe 400Hz is involved. That is the main thing that does not look right to me at this time.

Please share your observations

Luc

Link to my edited version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y&feature=youtu.be)

Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7--G5qSDag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7--G5qSDag)

Luc,

I was also wondering about any speed change but took a different approach.  Direct your attention to the strobe effect visible on the spinning disc on the end of the prime mover (which I am assuming is likely due to camera frame rate aliasing or possibly a nearby fluorescent... I believe the disc is marked for use with a laser tach).

The strobing changes as the speed is adjusted, but does appear fairly stable at the time the bulbs turn on. Even during the ugly sounds produced as the bulbs turn on and throughout the remainder of the time the bulbs are illuminated, the speed seems relatively stable.

Not sure what to make of it though...

PW     
 

   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 29, 2014, 08:19:04 AM
Luc,

I was also wondering about any speed change but took a different approach.  Direct your attention to the strobe effect visible on the spinning disc on the end of the prime mover (which I am assuming is likely due to camera frame rate aliasing or possibly a nearby fluorescent... I believe the disc is marked for use with a laser tach).

The strobing changes as the speed is adjusted, but does appear fairly stable at the time the bulbs turn on. Even during the ugly sounds produced as the bulbs turn on and throughout the remainder of the time the bulbs are illuminated, the speed seems relatively stable.

Not sure what to make of it though...

PW     
 

 

Thanks PW for posting that observation also.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: FixedSys on April 29, 2014, 03:51:56 PM
 :) So, the QEG folk fried the Taiwan model?
 :-\ Yes.
 :) Awesome.

 :) They linked the QEG to S.E.X, right?
 :-\ Yes.
 :) Wow....cool!

:) They got Resonance in Morocco, their data proved OU and now the World has changed forever!!??
:-\ Ah.... Errr....
:) Ah.... So they got Resonance, then set up some basic test equipment to get the summation of input vs output power and it really looks like it could be OU??
:-\ Actually, no. They got Resonance, then had coitus interruptus. You know; turned off the device, went to sleep and we've heard nothing since.
 
::)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 29, 2014, 05:22:33 PM

It's obviously a spark gap. During Tesla's time a spark gap was used to generate broadband low frequency RF.

This was used for exciting in Tesla Coils and as an oscillatory function in radio transmitters (no vac. tubes yet).

What is a spark gap doing tied to power line? - Obviously someone expects there will be static electricity there!

Second the motion by the fact that the sides of the machine are not metal but fiberglass. The metal rotor is insulated.

So it functions like the Testatika machine/Wimshurst machine. Static electricity is generated then is somewhat re-structured

form by adding LF RF to it like in a Tesla coil. and again like the Testatika Power RF Oscillator. These machines need to regauge

(change the relationship of voltage x current to power) so they can isolate subsystems. Then you simply run the re-formed

power through the coils to supercharge the internal magnetic motor flux. Note that electron flux often travels backwards

relative to common current flow.  I've always felt that this machine should operate this way without

knowing the details since the Tharpp video showed it in the first place.  There were previously people that

have done this in the 1920's - once they installed a powerful engine/motor in an aircraft - with obvious outcome. My feeling is that

tribiological electricity is inherently overunity. With three force affecting the electron - electrostatic, electromagnetic, and beta nuclear.

Static electricity is a macroscopic apparition of LENR. I will endeavor to prove this when the Shensei makes their ESM65-TR1

electrostatic motor available for sale.


This is why critics are no good for this type of thing, they don't structure incremental evidence for the operation of each device

as it comes along and before long they don't have a clue as to how these thing could even work. Critics need to stop saying

that there is no theory of operation for this device. It's that *they* don't have one.


No question though, I feel that overloading subsystem functions and variable parametric control structures

like in this device is not genius design but half-*ssed engineering practice. Parameters should have operational

margins not tuning. Variable parameters make it both difficult to understand system operation theory as well as

difficulty bringing it up.



:S:MarkSCoffman




Bravo Mark,  well said.   Your ideas on this device show you have a deep understanding of the unknown or at least untaught principles of energy around us.  Thank you for your sharing these thoughts.


Link to the motor you mentioned:
Technology: High Power Electrostatic Motor - SHINSEI CORPORATION - (http://www.shinsei-motor.com/English/techno/)




And TK     Very Good Advise,  thank you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: IBreal on April 29, 2014, 10:00:10 PM
TinselKoala:

You make valid points about the approach Fix The World is taking.  To improve my chances of posting a 'proceed with caution warning' to others on the QEG Forum I went out of my way to be diplomatic without compromising the points that should be objectively considered about the FTW QEG development thus far and the QEG Forum practices.  This re-enforces the fact that at the QEG Forum you can go out of the way to be thoughtful and reasonable and still be blocked and banned because the QEG Forum moderators are not open to an honest discussion and/or would rather keep their heads in the sand while keeping others there with them.

I've listened to all of James Robitaille's video and audio recordings about the QEG development, he is the only one able to provide technical updates.  I think he was convinced (or scammed) by WITTS and sincerely thinks that he can get the QEG to self run and provide excess power.  He has many years of technical and electronics experience but is out of his area of expertise.  He has openly admitted his failure to self run the QEG at home and admitted the failures he experienced in Taiwan.  He also openly admits that he is still learning and trying to figure out how the QEG works, although at the expense of others.  HopeGirl and some others are cheerleaders with absolutely no technical knowledge, so they are blindly following and are using deception to raise more funds.  Their actions contradict what James Robitaille openly states in technical sessions.  If you read through web sites and listen to broadcasts, HopeGirl and some others would have you believe that they already have a working QEG that self runs and will power a home, which is the opposite of what James Robitaille openly and clearly states.  Bottom line, I was banned from the  QEG Forum for trying to point out what James Robitaille has openly stated.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: IBreal on April 29, 2014, 10:16:02 PM
I would add to that something that I have yet to see explicitly mentioned anywhere, and that is by all accounts, regardless if the device operates under-unity or over-unity, there is a lethal combinations of voltages and currents present in the device when it is operating. 

All would be experimenters should be aware, that they are taking their life in their hands just being within arms reach of the QEG when it's running.


F_Brown:

You make a good point about the need to emphasis the life threatening QEG electrical hazards and TinselKoala provides some good clear examples.  I did not come across discussions about this in the QEG Forum, and it is less likely to be appropriately addressed there as they drive away members with technical knowledge and experience.  In fairness, the QEG User Manual does provide the following safety hazard warnings:

"Electrical / Mechanical devices are inherently dangerous. Electrical shock hazards can cause serious injury and in some cases death. Mechanical hazards can result in dismemberment and in some cases death."

"It is for these reasons that the QEG must be either directly installed or supervised by an experienced electromechanical engineer to ensure the installation is done safely and in accordance with local electrical code, however, the QEG is installed the same way as any commercial generator and does not violate any electrical codes. Anyone who uses the QEG installation instructions (including but not limited to any procedure or method of installation) must first satisfy themselves that neither their safety, nor the safety of the end user, will be endangered over the course of the installation and operation of the QEG."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 29, 2014, 10:23:12 PM
couple of statements from the QEG people:  "gentlemen arrived from the UK a few days ago with a professional video camera AND very high tech equipment for measuring all aspects of the QEG output and "over unity"
 
 
"When all the data has been gathered and tested and measured, and all the information is compiled, and all the instructional videos and recordings etc edited and put together, then everything will be released publicly all at once. Until then, we will be posting updates on all that is happening here, and we will keep you all informed"
 
seems they should still be given the benefit of the doubt. let 'em show the proof without all the nasty accusations. not suggesting anyone run out and buy parts for this yet. just stop the negative remarkst. if anyone had a clue about the big post Cap-Z-ro made you might begin to understand why that's important. some of the mentally castrated individuals here who think we or they already know everything about everything should take a few lessons from history.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 29, 2014, 10:32:53 PM
@ibreal   I agree it would be nice to have some ?'s answered and measurements but I think they are trying to avoid killing their funding before they work out the kinks.   looking at the videos of rotaille you see a guy in grubby jeans, tee shirt and unshaved.   doesn't look like someone living high on donations.   looks like a guy busting his butt to get this all working right.   all I'm asking is for people to give it some time before bashing the sh*t out of them.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2014, 10:42:49 PM
Luc,

About the pitch change or lack of change when the light bulbs light up:

Note the light bulbs are like a load on a secondary coil on a toroidal core where the primary is the LC resonator.  So that means it's like the light bulbs are in parallel with the LC resonator.

One thing that the QEG team haven't looked at is the electrical power draw of the LC resonator when it is in resonance without the light bulb load.  I know that I have been harping on this issue and this may give it some perspective.

We know that there is a high-voltage medium-frequency sine wave observed when in resonance and no light bulb load.

We have lots of data to work with:  We know the peak-to-peak voltage.  We know the capacitance value.  We know the resonant frequency.  We know the wire resistance in the L part of the LC resonator.  All of these things are easily measurable.

You can then easily determine the RMS AC current in the LC resonator.  Once you have that, you know the power dissipation in the LC resonator.  I will leave the crunching to anyone that is interested as an exercise.

Let's say that you crunch the numbers and you determine that the unloaded LC resonator is dissipating 110 watts of power.  Don't be surprised it's possible it could be that high.

Now, you add the light bulb load.  All my numbers are approximations for illustrative purposes.  Let's say they are 60-watt bulbs only partially lit and all four draw 130 watts.   Let's say that under load the LC resonance voltage drops a lot.  You crunch the numbers and now the LC resonator only draws 25 watts.  That means that the power picked up by the LC resonator is now mostly going to the light bulb load.

So the electrical power dissipation is 110 watts no load and (130 + 25) = 155 watts with the light bulb load.

Let's say in both cases there is 25 watts worth of friction power also (bearings, air, etc.)

So the new totals are 135 watts no load and 180 watts with the light bulb load.

The DC motor by design will try to maintain a constant speed with the same DC voltage applied, it just draws more current when there is a tougher mechanical load.

The DC motor and the QEC rotor together store a lot of Joules of rotational energy when at the resonance speed.  That rotational inertia will resist a speed change when the mechanical load changes.

You add the two effects together, the motor self-governing on speed and the rotational inertia and it's very possible that the motor speed change is not perceptible over the first few seconds when the mechanical load changes from 135 watts to 180 watts.

This is the kind of stuff we should be seeing on the real QEG forum.  However, the technical posts are few and far between and you have mostly cheerleading and New Age navel gazing instead.

MileHigh 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 29, 2014, 11:02:17 PM
@ibreal   I agree it would be nice to have some ?'s answered and measurements but I think they are trying to avoid killing their funding before they work out the kinks.   looking at the videos of rotaille you see a guy in grubby jeans, tee shirt and unshaved.   doesn't look like someone living high on donations.   looks like a guy busting his butt to get this all working right.   all I'm asking is for people to give it some time before bashing the sh*t out of them.
Steeltpu, I agree that they are trying to protect the funding.  JR seems to be on the up and up. 

HG is another matter.  HG routinely over represents what they have.  HG is out there drumming up money for these trips. Why spend time and money traveling the globe before there is a working unit of any kind?  Wouldn't JR be better off concentrating on trying to make a unit work?  No one can get a unit until and if JR ever succeeds.  And that is something that he may never do.  So who benefits from the current course of action?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2014, 11:05:45 PM
Steeltpu:

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seems they should still be given the benefit of the doubt. let 'em show the proof without all the nasty accusations. not suggesting anyone run out and buy parts for this yet. just stop the negative remarkst. if anyone had a clue about the big post Cap-Z-ro made you might begin to understand why that's important. some of the mentally castrated individuals here who think we or they already know everything about everything should take a few lessons from history

Mentally castrated my ass.  Rubbing your tummy and humming to make a QEG work is being mentally castrated.   For all we know, the total "haul" after 200 cores are ordered and all the rest of the parts are purchased will be somewhere around a million dollars.   Hypothetically, what if the margin on the $3000 core is 70% and HopeGirl and James have a deal with the core manufacturer to split the profits.  Then HopeGirl and James walk away with $210,000.

With that kind of money on the table I refuse to give them the benefit of the doubt.  The "lessons from history" argument can easily be debunked.  The "flying machine" one is the prime example.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2014, 11:28:52 PM
F_Brown,

There is a fundamental problem with your modeling of the spark gap.  You are modeling it as a noise source.  I am assuming that is an off-the-shelf component where you can set the parameters,  The fundamental problem is that your model is a power source, and it injects power into the system.  That is a component that allows you to simulate the thermal noise power that you have in most circuits (I assume.)

The spark gap is not a power source, it's the opposite.  Let's say that the air when it breaks down looks like a 70 ohm resistor.  This is a very simplified model, because we know that the voltage across the spark gap changes very little for changes in the current through the conducting plasma.

Therefore a simplified model for a spark gap would be a switch in series with a 70-ohm resistor.  It conducts when the switch is closed and dissipates power.   You have the spark gap modeled as a source of power.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 01:04:34 AM
Miles,

Where did you get the impression that I am modeling the spark gap in the CEG simulation?

Quite the contrary, I refrained from putting it in the sim.

On the other hand I did employ a sophisticated spark gap model for my simulation and  analysis of the Tesla Hair-Pin Circuit.

That is featured here:  http://youtu.be/N7gPeIVVy0A

You must be considering the noise source that I used to create a bit of noise in the primary circuit to be a spark gap. 

That's just a noise source to provide a few tens of micro-volts to give the parametric excitation something with which to start.  It is a power source, although a very small one.  I think it could be turned off one the oscillations startup. 

It is to just recreate the ambient noise in the circuit that are generated by ambient magnetic fields acting upon the magnetic core of the device.  Without any noise in the primary of the simulation, the oscillations fail to start up.

Anyway, at the moment I doubt the spark gap is going to do anything useful for the QEG.  Any RF noise that it generates will be damped out by the relative huge inductance, voltages, and currents in the primary tank circuit.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 30, 2014, 01:15:45 AM
Another way I see the spark gap is a maker and collector of scalar waves.  Shouldn't the spark gap be reverse conical with a sharp mid point where the actual plasma arc burns and collapses the ambient air particles and gases. AND should that energy not be transmitter in a straight lines of force manor to the load  (generator)?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 30, 2014, 01:32:26 AM
Another way I see the spark gap is a maker and collector of scalar waves.  Shouldn't the spark gap be reverse conical with a sharp mid point where the actual plasma arc burns and collapses the ambient air particles and gases. AND should that energy not be transmitter in a straight lines of force manor to the load  (generator)?


I agree and think spark gaps can be a way of tapping into an alternative yet unseen power source that mainstream science denies.   I'm not sure where you got the idea for the reverse cone setup but based on some other things I've read I think that is an EXCELLENT idea!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 30, 2014, 02:15:01 AM
Another way I see the spark gap is a maker and collector of scalar waves.  Shouldn't the spark gap be reverse conical with a sharp mid point where the actual plasma arc burns and collapses the ambient air particles and gases. AND should that energy not be transmitter in a straight lines of force manor to the load  (generator)?
What verifiable evidence do you have that a spark gap either generates or collects scalar waves? 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 02:18:17 AM
I'm glad you're being gentle Mark.  We should be honored that Hope Girl is here among us.  If we mind our manners, she might continue to give us direct and timely updates on QEG developments.  Otherwise, we'll have to go looking for them.

By the way, somebody just mentioned to me that the frequency of the exciter circuits is set at the electron spin resonant frequency.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 30, 2014, 02:30:04 AM
Somebody just mentioned to me that the frequency of the exciter circuits is set at the electron spin resonant frequency.

I'm glad you're being gentle Mark.  We should be honored that Hope Girl is here among us.  If we mind our manners, she might continue to give us timely updates on QEG developments directly.  Otherwise, we'll have to go looking for them.
~400Hz is more than seven orders of magnitude below ~10GHz of typical electron spin resonance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 02:55:22 AM
Ha, I guess the person who told me that is wrong then.  He said the electron spin resonance was 1.3 MHz, which is the resonant frequency of the exciter circuits.

I made some more progress with my SPICE model.  I was able to make a model of the full primary circuit, and it generates over 10 kW of output into a resistive load taken directly from the primary. 

James has been mentioning lately that he is learning that the nature of this device is high voltage.  The simulation results I am getting seem to agree with that.

In this case in order to get 10 kW of output, about 53 kilo-volts peak needs to be developed across each half of the primary.  It's also interesting to note that in this case the primary coils together are dissipating about 78 watts.

There are a few things I find interesting about this:

1)  SPICE is able to model the parametric excitation, and it suggests that the claimed 10 kW of output are possible.

2) That output can be drawn off directly from the primaries, making secondary output optional.

3)  The wave form in the primary circuit is a sine wave with little harmonic distortion.

There is one that that still concerns me, and that is how much input power will it take to do this.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 30, 2014, 03:28:35 AM
Ha, I guess the person who told me that is wrong then.  He said the electron spin resonance was 1.3 MHz, which is the resonant frequency of the exciter circuits.
One should check one's sources.  Electron spin resonance is in the GHz.  1.3MHz sounds like a high frequency for anything with the giant windings that are on this machine.  The L*C product for 1.3MHz is down near 1.4E-14.
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I made some more progress with my SPICE model.  I was able to make a model of the full primary circuit, and it generates over 10 kW of output into a resistive load taken directly from the primary. 
Models can be very helpful, provided that the assumptions they are built around are reasonable.  Otherwise they are little more than computer aided hallucinations.  You task is to ensure that your model is representative of something real.
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James has been mentioning lately that he is learning that the nature of this device is high voltage.  The simulation results I am getting seem to agree with that.
I watched the Taiwan session where he said that.  I was not encouraged by those remarks.  Power sources have characteristic impedance.  A high characteristic impedance in a power source means that the maximum power point will be at a relatively higher voltage than a similar capacity source that has a lower characteristic impedance.  Electrodynamic machines are readily scaled in both power and impedance by changing the flux density and the number of turns per unit length.
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In this case in order to get 10 kW of output, about 56 kilo-volts peak needs to be developed across each half of the primary.
So they say.
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There are a few things I find interesting about this:

1)  SPICE is able to model the parametric excitation, and it suggests that the claimed 10 kW of output are possible.
A SPICE model that has certain assumptions that may well be quite dubious gives a result that you want to see.  I highly recommend that you add a power probe to your noise source.
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2) That output can be drawn off directly from the primaries, making secondary output optional.
Transformers operate symmetrically.  If there isn't a reason for an additional winding, then one should question why it exists.
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3)  The wave form in the primary circuit is a sine wave with little harmonic distortion.
The purity of the sine wave is a function of the Q.  The higher the Q the less relative power output.
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There is one that that still concerns me, and that is how much input power will it take to do this.
Adding a power probe to your LT SPICE model noise source will help you figure that out.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 04:18:59 AM
One should check one's sources.  Electron spin resonance is in the GHz.  1.3MHz sounds like a high frequency for anything with the giant windings that are on this machine.  The L*C product for 1.3MHz is down near 1.4E-14.Models can be very helpful, provided that the assumptions they are built around are reasonable.  Otherwise they are little more than computer aided hallucinations.  You task is to ensure that your model is representative of something real.I watched the Taiwan session where he said that.  I was not encouraged by those remarks.  Power sources have characteristic impedance.  A high characteristic impedance in a power source means that the maximum power point will be at a relatively higher voltage than a similar capacity source that has a lower characteristic impedance.  Electrodynamic machines are readily scaled in both power and impedance by changing the flux density and the number of turns per unit length.So they say.A SPICE model that has certain assumptions that may well be quite dubious gives a result that you want to see.  I highly recommend that you add a power probe to your noise source.Transformers operate symmetrically.  If there isn't a reason for an additional winding, then one should question why it exists.The purity of the sine wave is a function of the Q.  The higher the Q the less relative power output.Adding a power probe to your LT SPICE model noise source will help you figure that out.

How about a measure statement on the noise source?

That works out to about 14 milli-watts.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on April 30, 2014, 05:54:21 AM
I made some more progress with my SPICE model.

@F_Brown

Brief note, please take a look at how your calculate your average power. Make sure not to introduce the function abs() anywhere. The signs on I and V should take care of that (in that way you will be able to see real or reactive power) or use I*I*R for a resistor.

Some other remarks: your noise source is OK. It will not consume any power; it is noise, brownian motion. I have run similar parametric excitation simulations and find similar results. No magic here. Noise is what starts the primary. No spark gap needed.

However, what you do need to look at is the (counter) torque on the rotor. You can calculate that with FEMM. It is pretty big for 1amp of current. I have attached a graph. As stated in one of my earlier posts, the only way you can make the overall average force go to zero is by making sure the primary current is anti-symmetric as well and is exactly lined up in space/time with and has the same periodicity as the torque curve so the overall torque effect averages out to zero. This might proof hard to do in practice or maybe it is even impossible as load typically changes and will change the current curve, and thus the torque.

Either way, you should be able to prove if this thing can work or not.  :)

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rfacts on April 30, 2014, 06:26:07 AM
gotoluc (and others interested in QEG audio spectrum):

Appreciate you sharing the QEG Morocco video that you edited, I'm sharing some audio data from that video.  I fed the audio from your edited video to a PC based real time FFT audio spectrum analyzer.  This allowed me to capture and save the audio spectrum of the QEG as it was ramped up with the light bulbs off, when the light bulbs flashed, and when the light bulbs stayed on.  I left the SA settings at default and have attached the screen captures that I saved.  Most of the screen captures were taken with a span of 0-500 Hz (50 Hz per division) to provide more detail of the most significant part of the audio spectrum.  There are some screen captures with a span of 1KHz, 2KHz and 5KHz to show higher order harmonics. 

There is a frequency at 100 Hz that first appears 2 seconds into the video when the variac knob is first rotated to start the QEG and this frequency is present throughout the QEG run.  This 100 Hz frequency must be the hum from the full wave rectifier which is used to rectify the 50 Hz AC input to power the DC motor, so it serves as a good calibration check.  The light bulbs start to flash when ~400 Hz double peak frequencies appears, I happened to capture it at the 30 second mark in one of the repeating cycles that you edited to extend the flashing light bulb view time.  The ~400 Hz double peak frequencies only appears when the light bulbs flash on.  The light bulbs stay on when the 440 Hz frequency is present along with a 400 Hz frequency, at this point both of these frequencies are constantly displayed until the QEG is ramped down.  Most of the screens have a red marker at the 440 Hz frequency, you can see the frequency the marker is set to at the top of the captured screen.  You can also see an 800 Hz and 880 Hz harmonic frequency on the attached file with the 1KHz span.  Regardless of the QEG outcome it will be very interesting to find out how the QEG output is optimized.

It may be that the optimum output is achieved when the 400 Hz and the 440 Hz frequencies are tuned to match.  Is there enough data here to determine which is the mechanical and which is the electrical resonance frequency?  If mechanical resonance and the electrical resonance (or a harmonic frequency for parametric operation) need to be aligned a real time FFT audio spectrum analyzer like this one may prove to be a very useful tuning tool.  The screen capture with the 5KHz span that I've attached was saved to display the whole instrument control panel so you can see the software application was developed by Fatpigdog Industries.  I purchased the Excalibur 4.06 professional version, it has a very intuitive control panel with a very good set of features and the input audio can be from a file or a microphone - technical support is provided by email.  I'm not associated with them, I just think it's a good product, so for anyone interested in more info it can be found, downloaded, and a registration code purchased at this web site:

http://www.fatpigdog.com/SpectrumAnalyzer/Excalibur.html

To insure that we're using the same reference, this video is the source of the audio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y

Note: Attached files were converted from .bmp to .jpg to minimize file size.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 30, 2014, 06:27:32 AM
I'm glad you're being gentle Mark.  We should be honored that Hope Girl is here among us.  If we mind our manners, she might continue to give us direct and timely updates on QEG developments.  Otherwise, we'll have to go looking for them.

By the way, somebody just mentioned to me that the frequency of the exciter circuits is set at the electron spin resonant frequency.


@F_Brown


The 'Hope' here is NOT Hope Girl. Hope Girl is just a figure head with little technical knowledge. It is James R who is trying to build and understand the QEG. Hope Girl is too much 'noise'.


chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 07:22:06 AM
For the average output power the figure was the same with abs and without abs.

Although I realize using abs for the noise power was wrong, because the noise will add and subtract power, it should just negate itself.  Taking out the abs function for the noise power measurement results in now about 129 micro watts. 

Now I'm off to try to figure out how to get FEMM to verify that.

Did you use Lua scripting to get FEMM to generate that nice graphic?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 30, 2014, 09:09:41 AM
The QED Saga continues in Marrocco now.

Here is the latest circuit diagramm:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=641629269244552&set=pb.612141065526706.-2207520000.1398639803.&type=3&permPage=1

Here is a Facebook group where they posted the new build pictures:

https://www.facebook.com/OPCAouchtam

And here are the newest videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsFAF1_8B5cZ7YhpcjFFNfA/videos


Especially this video is hillarious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TbAr-gC9D4

where Fakegirl and her mother cry and shout at the end of the video,
although there is no selflooping going on... just lighting 2 bulbs with no measurements given....

The donation scam continues...

Notice in the latest Morocco video Morocco Has Resonance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd04pD5T88U
I will let people guess what it is that should be noticed.  Lets see who spots the obvious.  A hint is quintessence.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Dog-One on April 30, 2014, 11:15:01 AM
Notice in the latest Morocco video Morocco Has Resonance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd04pD5T88U
I will let people guess what it is that should be noticed.  Lets see who spots the obvious.  A hint is quintessence.

Guess I didn't see it, but I will say this, watching this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIXC1pPQn8

If the stator and rotor have a clearance of 1/1000 of an inch, there is no possible way you can drill holes in plastic with a Dremel tool to get that kind of precision.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 02:25:57 PM
Check this out....


Even I had the "hope" to find out something new, until now, my generator is very inefficient.
I will do some more tests this weekend.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4


Cheers
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on April 30, 2014, 05:36:13 PM
Check this out....


Even I had the "hope" to find out something new, until now, my generator is very inefficient.
I will do some more tests this weekend.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4)


Cheers
Ariovaldo

Ariovaldo,

Good looking machine but I could not make out anything you were saying over the noise of the machine running. I could also not see the reading on the meter. If you do post any further videos, please shut off the machine before you speak.

Hoppy
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 05:52:59 PM
Ariovaldo,

Good looking machine but I could not make out anything you were saying over the noise of the machine running. I could also not see the reading on the meter. If you do post any further videos, please shut off the machine before you speak.

Hoppy


"It's not so easy to teach a new trick for an old horse", but I will try to make a better one in a couple days. Also, the KW-meter positions was not so good.
Making it short, the power consumption was about 1200 watts and the load was not more than 6 x 60 watts lights bulbs. The output voltage in each coil was about 600 volts, but drops with the load. As I said, I'm just testing and is not my intention to make polemics statements.  I'm just an old guy that has as hobby to build and test stuffs..
Independently of the results, is an interesting approach the way that the system works, having the resonance when reach a certain speed. In this case, was about 2800 rpm, but I can bring it down, increasing the capacitance. Also, it is a danger machine, since the voltage is very high in the excitation (high voltage) coils.


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 30, 2014, 05:59:02 PM
Guess I didn't see it, but I will say this, watching this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIXC1pPQn8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIXC1pPQn8)

If the stator and rotor have a clearance of 1/1000 of an inch, there is no possible way you can drill holes in plastic with a Dremel tool to get that kind of precision.

They are claiming 1/1000 inch clearance between rotor and stator in THAT p.o.s.? I call bullshit right there. I'll believe they got 10kW Free Energy from a roll of toilet paper, before I'll believe that.

ETA: I am actually _offended_ by that claim, if it is a claim. Go ahead, QEGers, prove to me that that rotating assembly, shaft and bearing set, in the non-metallic mounting attached to a block of wood, has less than 0.0005 inch run-out. Go ahead. Would you like to borrow my dial indicator? What's a dial indicator, you ask? Oh.... never mind.

SIGH.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Paul-R on April 30, 2014, 06:03:23 PM
They are claiming 1/1000 inch clearance between rotor and stator in THAT p.o.s.? I call bullshit right there. I'll believe they got 10kW Free Energy from a roll of toilet paper, before I'll believe that.
At what temperature?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 30, 2014, 06:05:19 PM
At what temperature?
Toilet paper works best when it's slightly cooler than ambient.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Marshallin on April 30, 2014, 06:13:52 PM
Check this out....


Even I had the "hope" to find out something new, until now, my generator is very inefficient.
I will do some more tests this weekend.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4


Cheers
Ariovaldo

Thx for sharing, good work.
One question:
Doest input power rise when you apply load on generator?
if you put some switch there and test it i will be gratefull :D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 06:30:47 PM
This video is almost the same than the other one.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sli1RCbGs84


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on April 30, 2014, 06:41:42 PM

"It's not so easy to teach a new trick for an old horse", but I will try to make a better one in a couple days. Also, the KW-meter positions was not so good.
Making it short, the power consumption was about 1200 watts and the load was not more than 6 x 60 watts lights bulbs. The output voltage in each coil was about 600 volts, but drops with the load. As I said, I'm just testing and is not my intention to make polemics statements.  I'm just an old guy that has as hobby to build and test stuffs..
Independently of the results, is an interesting approach the way that the system works, having the resonance when reach a certain speed. In this case, was about 2800 rpm, but I can bring it down, increasing the capacitance. Also, it is a danger machine, since the voltage is very high in the excitation (high voltage) coils.


Cheers


Ariovaldo

The thing that amazes me about the QEG is how it is intended to run any practical load and stay in a resonant condition. Surely that James chap who designed this realises that the efficiency of a machine working on this principle is totally load dependent and will be very difficult to stay tuned using manual methods. I get the distinct impression from the videos that he has been pulled into something that he is none too confident about and having received so much attention, now feels committed to seeing this project through. He talks rather sheepishly about an output of 2,000V at 10 Amps (20KW) being possible but makes little mention of how impedance matching is to be achieved to actually transfer this amount of power efficiently to a very variable type of load. Anyway, it is a very brave venture and I wish him every success.

Hoppy
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 30, 2014, 07:24:35 PM
This video is almost the same than the other one.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sli1RCbGs84 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sli1RCbGs84)


Cheers


Ariovaldo

Hello Ariovaldo,
 
 thank you for posting a video of your replication.
 
 Unfortunately the focus is not clear when you show the power meter. Can you please write down in a post the power just before resonance and when resonance lights the bulbs.
 
 I'm also trying to understand what happened at the end when only one bulb lights. Do you know what causes this?
 
 Thank you for sharing

Luc
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 30, 2014, 07:25:35 PM
Excuse me, if I have a primary and a secondary, 10 KWh of electricity and a cos phi of 0,9999, is there theoricaly approximately 20000 jouls of heat in each second if we count the two circuits?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 30, 2014, 07:54:51 PM
Ariovaldo:

Your replication of the QEG generator setup looks very good.

With no light bulb load, have you measured the motor power consumption when you are at resonance?   If you then slightly increase the motor voltage and the system goes out of resonance, have you measured the motor power consumption?   What about if you slightly decrease the motor voltage and the system goes out of resonance, have you measured the motor power consumption?

Do you know how to measure the electrical power dissipation in the LC resonator when the system is in resonance and there is no load?  If yes, can you make that measurement?  If no, do you want to discuss it first before you make the measurement?

Thanks,

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 07:55:34 PM
Hello Ariovaldo,
 
 thank you for posting a video of your replication.
 
 Unfortunately the focus is not clear when you show the power meter. Can you please write down in a post the power just before resonance and when resonance lights the bulbs.
 
 I'm also trying to understand what happened at the end when only one bulb lights. Do you know what causes this?
 
 Thank you for sharing

Luc


Yeah, the video is bad...I have a regular job and I just have time at night or weekend and my intention is to do some more tests. About the end, when just one light bulb still on is because when you increase or bring down the speed we lose the resonance and the system starts to pulse and the result is voltage spikes. The others lights bulbs just blew out.


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 08:00:47 PM
Ariovaldo:

Your replication of the QEG generator setup looks very good.

With no light bulb load, have you measured the motor power consumption when you are at resonance?   If you then slightly increase the motor voltage and the system goes out of resonance, have you measured the motor power consumption?   What about if you slightly decrease the motor voltage and the system goes out of resonance, have you measured the motor power consumption?

Do you know how to measure the electrical power dissipation in the LC resonator when the system is in resonance and there is no load?  If yes, can you make that measurement?  If no, do you want to discuss it first before you make the measurement?

Thanks,

MileHigh


I will write down everything that you suggested and I will do my best this weekend to test it and put in a table that can be understandable.


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 30, 2014, 08:01:28 PM
gotoluc (and others interested in QEG audio spectrum):

Thank you Rfacts for taking the time to do the spectrum analysis and post your results.

I think I better understand why they say 400Hz is the resonating frequency. They are speaking of mechanical resonance and not necessarily electrical resonance.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 30, 2014, 08:01:49 PM
Ariovaldo,

How are the light bulbs connected to your QEG generator replication?  Can you make and post a schematic of your circuit?   Honestly, we need to see an accurate schematic diagram to explain how only a single light bulb can remain lit.

A proper electronics discussion needs to have a schematic diagram of the circuit under test.

Thanks,

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 30, 2014, 08:02:58 PM

I will write down everything that you suggested and I will do my best this weekend to test it and put in a table that can be understandable.


Ariovaldo

Thank you very much.

As a suggestion, if you are concerned about the high voltages when the system is in resonance, you can put an oscilloscope (or a multimeter) across only one of the series capacitors.  That will allow you to verify that the system is in resonance with no load and the measured voltage will be lower and will likely not damage your oscilloscope or multimeter.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 30, 2014, 08:11:12 PM

Yeah, the video is bad...I have a regular job and I just have time at night or weekend and my intention is to do some more tests. About the end, when just one light bulb still on is because when you increase or bring down the speed we lose the resonance and the system starts to pulse and the result is voltage spikes. The others lights bulbs just blew out.


Cheers


Ariovaldo

Thanks Ariovaldo for explaining why the bulbs do that. I'm sorry you are going through so many bulbs.
The QEG in Morocco has spark plugs added to possibly help prevent these spikes.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 30, 2014, 08:16:54 PM
gotoluc (and others interested in QEG audio spectrum):

Appreciate you sharing the QEG Morocco video that you edited, I'm sharing some audio data from that video.  I fed the audio from your edited video to a PC based real time FFT audio spectrum analyzer.  This allowed me to capture and save the audio spectrum of the QEG as it was ramped up with the light bulbs off, when the light bulbs flashed, and when the light bulbs stayed on.  I left the SA settings at default and have attached the screen captures that I saved.  Most of the screen captures were taken with a span of 0-500 Hz (50 Hz per division) to provide more detail of the most significant part of the audio spectrum.  There are some screen captures with a span of 1KHz, 2KHz and 5KHz to show higher order harmonics. 

There is a frequency at 100 Hz that first appears 2 seconds into the video when the variac knob is first rotated to start the QEG and this frequency is present throughout the QEG run.  This 100 Hz frequency must be the hum from the full wave rectifier which is used to rectify the 50 Hz AC input to power the DC motor, so it serves as a good calibration check.  The light bulbs start to flash when ~400 Hz double peak frequencies appears, I happened to capture it at the 30 second mark in one of the repeating cycles that you edited to extend the flashing light bulb view time.  The ~400 Hz double peak frequencies only appears when the light bulbs flash on.  The light bulbs stay on when the 440 Hz frequency is present along with a 400 Hz frequency, at this point both of these frequencies are constantly displayed until the QEG is ramped down.  Most of the screens have a red marker at the 440 Hz frequency, you can see the frequency the marker is set to at the top of the captured screen.  You can also see an 800 Hz and 880 Hz harmonic frequency on the attached file with the 1KHz span.  Regardless of the QEG outcome it will be very interesting to find out how the QEG output is optimized.

It may be that the optimum output is achieved when the 400 Hz and the 440 Hz frequencies are tuned to match.  Is there enough data here to determine which is the mechanical and which is the electrical resonance frequency?  If mechanical resonance and the electrical resonance (or a harmonic frequency for parametric operation) need to be aligned a real time FFT audio spectrum analyzer like this one may prove to be a very useful tuning tool.  The screen capture with the 5KHz span that I've attached was saved to display the whole instrument control panel so you can see the software application was developed by Fatpigdog Industries.  I purchased the Excalibur 4.06 professional version, it has a very intuitive control panel with a very good set of features and the input audio can be from a file or a microphone - technical support is provided by email.  I'm not associated with them, I just think it's a good product, so for anyone interested in more info it can be found, downloaded, and a registration code purchased at this web site:

http://www.fatpigdog.com/SpectrumAnalyzer/Excalibur.html (http://www.fatpigdog.com/SpectrumAnalyzer/Excalibur.html)

To insure that we're using the same reference, this video is the source of the audio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y)

Note: Attached files were converted from .bmp to .jpg to minimize file size.

Nice work. But.... but.... no Linux version! And nonfree.

For us Linux users, there is Audacity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbZa99ocPU
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 08:22:53 PM
Thanks Ariovaldo for explaining why the bulbs do that. I'm sorry you are going through so many bulbs.
The QEG in Morocco has spark plugs added to possibly help prevent these spikes.

Luc


I will, I just didn't have time. The winding was made by hand and my wrist is sore. My wife was my helper and I owe a good dinner ...One more week to recover..


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 08:45:34 PM
Check this out....


Even I had the "hope" to find out something new, until now, my generator is very inefficient.
I will do some more tests this weekend.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4)


Cheers
Ariovaldo

Awesome video Ariovaldo!

From my SPICE simulations I have found that this device has some unusual performance behaviors, One of which is that the more resistance you put in the primary circuit up to a certain point which seem to be roughly around 10% of the the total impedance of the primary at the operating frequency, the more power the device will output.  I am using an 11 k load in my spice simulation. 

I have also found that the system will go through surging oscillations if the resistance of the load is tool light, and that if the resistance of the load is too high the system will simply fail to go into resonance.   So, the moral of the story is more load is generally better than less load.  Additionally, adding load resistance will take voltage off the primary windings, so again more load is better than less load as far as helping the system to avoid over voltage transients in the primary windings.

I'm thinking that your generator would easily light up a series sting of 20 100W light bulbs maybe more put in series with the primary.

Cheers,

FB
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 30, 2014, 08:46:59 PM
Check this out....


Even I had the "hope" to find out something new, until now, my generator is very inefficient.
I will do some more tests this weekend.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4


Cheers
Ariovaldo



Nice build.  Do you have the exciter between the output coil and load?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 08:48:50 PM

"It's not so easy to teach a new trick for an old horse", but I will try to make a better one in a couple days. Also, the KW-meter positions was not so good.
Making it short, the power consumption was about 1200 watts and the load was not more than 6 x 60 watts lights bulbs. The output voltage in each coil was about 600 volts, but drops with the load. As I said, I'm just testing and is not my intention to make polemics statements.  I'm just an old guy that has as hobby to build and test stuffs..
Independently of the results, is an interesting approach the way that the system works, having the resonance when reach a certain speed. In this case, was about 2800 rpm, but I can bring it down, increasing the capacitance. Also, it is a danger machine, since the voltage is very high in the excitation (high voltage) coils.


Cheers


Ariovaldo

Voltage generating in the system I think is related to drive frequency by the relation d/dt, that the rate of change in the inductance of the system created by the rotor speed vs time.  slowing down the system will lower the output voltage.

I'm very glad to see you have a flywheel on the motor.  I think this will be an important part of the system.  Ultimately, I would like to see the motor, flywheel and CEG all on one shaft for the best efficiency on the mechanical side of things.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 30, 2014, 08:49:32 PM
Guess I didn't see it, but I will say this, watching this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIXC1pPQn8

If the stator and rotor have a clearance of 1/1000 of an inch, there is no possible way you can drill holes in plastic with a Dremel tool to get that kind of precision.

Not shown is the very thing for which it is named.  You cannot have a rat trap be effective if there is no rat.
"Ou es le" Quantum exciter coil   ???
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Dog-One on April 30, 2014, 08:59:14 PM
Not shown is the very thing for which it is named.  You cannot have a rat trap be effective if there is no rat.
"Ou es le" Quantum exciter coil   ???

Very true.

But if you build it like Mr. Tesla did, it shouldn't need one.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 09:00:59 PM


Nice build.  Do you have the exciter between the output coil and load?


No...straight from the coil to the load...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 09:04:53 PM
Awesome video Ariovaldo!

From my SPICE simulations I have found that this device has some unusual performance behaviors, One of which is that the more resistance you put in the primary circuit up to a certain point which seem to be roughly around 10% of the the total impedance of the primary at the operating frequency, the more power the device will output.  I am using an 11 k load in my spice simulation. 

I have also found that the system will go through surging oscillations if the resistance of the load is tool light, and that if the resistance of the load is too high the system will simply fail to go into resonance.   So, the moral of the story is more load is generally better than less load.  Additionally, adding load resistance will take voltage off the primary windings, so again more load is better than less load as far as helping the system to avoid over voltage transients in the primary windings.

I'm thinking that your generator would easily light up a series sting of 20 100W light bulbs maybe more put in series with the primary.

Cheers,

FB


About the load, I tried 4 x 500 watts and it didn't work. With 2 x 500 watts, wasn't full bright..


Cheers
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on April 30, 2014, 09:20:52 PM

About the load, I tried 4 x 500 watts and it didn't work. With 2 x 500 watts, wasn't full bright..


Cheers
Ariovaldo

That's because the device is highly load dependent and therefore will be of no real multi-purpose practical use in a fixed resonant and directly output to load coupled condition. The energy needs to be transferred in pulses into an impedance matched load and subsequently stored in an accumulator for practical use via an inverter. However, getting to this stage adds complexity and cost and is only viable if an overall performance gain (COP>1) from can be confirmed by correct measurement.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 30, 2014, 09:45:15 PM

No...straight from the coil to the load...

Any plans on adding the exciter coil?  QEG manual states this is the part of the device that enables most of the energy output.

Or are you doing this in steps so if something goes wrong you know where.   Good effort.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 10:02:11 PM
Any plans on adding the exciter coil?  QEG manual states this is the part of the device that enables most of the energy output.

Or are you doing this in steps so if something goes wrong you know where.   Good effort.


I just need to have time for that. I have the material that I need, and I will build it. I don't know technically, how this coil will helps, but I'm open mind and I'll try.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 10:20:23 PM

About the load, I tried 4 x 500 watts and it didn't work. With 2 x 500 watts, wasn't full bright..


Cheers
Ariovaldo


Hmm, so the equivalent of 10 x 100 watt light bulbs dimly.

Weill, I was only off by a factor of 2 or so.  :)

My SPICE sim is using a CEG rotor speed of 24,000.   I would say for your rotor speed of 2,800, you're doing well.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 30, 2014, 10:24:36 PM

Hmm, so the equivalent of 10 x 100 watt light bulbs dimly.

Weill, I was within an order of magnitude.  :)

My SPICE sim is using a CEG rotor speed of 24,000.   I would say for your rotor speed of 2,800, you're doing well.
Chosen of course because 24,000 RPM is 400 Hz. I would just love to see Robitaille's contraption spinning that fast, with its 0.001 inch clearances and its 28 kV output. I think I'll watch from behind you, though.

Those capacitors crack me up. I can tell he's never blown up a capacitor by overcharging it... yet. They are going to kill someone pretty soon if they keep clowning around with that thing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 10:54:58 PM
Chosen of course because 24,000 RPM is 400 Hz. I would just love to see Robitaille's contraption spinning that fast, with its 0.001 inch clearances and its 28 kV output. I think I'll watch from behind you, though.

Those capacitors crack me up. I can tell he's never blown up a capacitor by overcharging it... yet. They are going to kill someone pretty soon if they keep clowning around with that thing.

In my FEMM analysis I used a 2 x 0.012" gap as shown in the manual.  I had wondered about that too. 

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 30, 2014, 11:14:31 PM
That's because the device is highly load dependent and therefore will be of no real multi-purpose practical use in a fixed resonant and directly output to load coupled condition. The energy needs to be transferred in pulses into an impedance matched load and subsequently stored in an accumulator for practical use via an inverter. However, getting to this stage adds complexity and cost and is only viable if an overall performance gain (COP>1) from can be confirmed by correct measurement.

I agree, I just tested my device same setup as my test 3 video (2 x 40w bulb in series) and added one extra 40w 120v bulb in series and nothing happens. There needs to be enough load (not too much resistance) for it to kick in.
One thing to note is, bulbs are good for this device as when resonance kicks in the bulb resistance rises and keeps the device under control. I tried it with a 78 Ohm 50w resistor instead of the bulbs and when resonance kicks in I get rotor lock up since the resistor is too fixed of a load. I then tried it with a 100 Ohm resistor and nothing happens (too much resistance for resonance to kick in)

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 30, 2014, 11:29:53 PM
All:

Note 0.010" of an inch is roughly the thickness of a sheet of paper.  There is not a chance that the QEG could be built to that dimensional size, not to mention 0.001" which is ridiculous.  If that's in the manual somewhere that's laughable.  Now notice saying "laughable" is not malicious bashing, it's simply a true statement.  Note we haven't even been discussing tolerances.

F_Brown,

I am not sure if you are simulating with ideal components or component models that include hidden parameters to make them "real world."  In reading your statements there is one thing I want to make clear about the switching of the inductance value, where you toggle back and forth between two values.  For starters that's a pretty cool trick that you are doing with the sim.  The big point is that just the act of dynamically switching the value of an inductor that's in a circuit in the "real time" of your simulation cannot be a source of energy.  It simply can't happen.  So I am not sure how you are getting increasing resonant oscillations in your simulation.

Here is something for your consideration, and I will assume we are working with ideal components here:  Your circuit is [12-volt battery] -> [2-ohm resistor] -> [ inductor(t)] ->  [Ground]

Let's say the inductor(t) toggles between 2 Henries and 4 Henries every 30 seconds.   What will the sim show?   How will it handle the abrupt change in the value of the inductance?  It's effectively a discontinuity in the value of the inductance, will the sim be able to cope with it?

Let's forget about the sim for a second and crunch it in our heads.  Let's assume ideal components.  Do you know what will happen when the inductance toggles in value?  It's an important question because if you do know then great, but if you aren't sure, then how can you be sure your sim is running correctly?

MileHigh 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 30, 2014, 11:52:41 PM
Here is a Spectrum Analysis of my MOT QEG test device.

Note that my rotor RPM is in the 1,500 RPM range... But my Electrical Resonance is in the 29Hz range.

My MOT Inductance swings from 6H to 12H and Resonating Capacitor is 2.5uf

From the Spectrum my test devices Mechanical Resonance is in the 225Hz range with a second peak in the 500Hz range.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 01, 2014, 12:04:12 AM
Okay as a follow-up to the previous comments about the fact that the toggling value of the inductance can not possibly be a source of energy, then what are you left with?

The answer is yes, the rotating rotor does indeed change the value of the inductance, but that is not what is ultimately driving the LC resonator and pumping power into it.

The reality is that at the same time this is happening, one can assume some temporary induced magnetism in the spinning rotor is *fighting* with the induced magnetism in the toroidal core.  That *fighting* is better known as Lenz drag.  During the rotor blade passes, there is a "North - North" type of induced magnetic repulsion happening that is against the turning of the rotor, and/or, there is a "North - South" type of magnetic attraction happening that is against the turning of the rotor.

This Lenz drag is the mechanical source of power that pumps up the LC resonator and puts more energy into it.

At the same time, this increased energy in the LC resonator gets pumped into the light bulb load via the magnetic coupling of the toroidal core.

Therefore, the ultimate cause for the Lenz drag is the light bulb load.

The proof of this was already shown in one of today's clips.   It's the part where you see the light bulbs brightening then going out, brightening then going out, roughly once per second.

What is that telling you?   It's telling you that the motor speeds up then the QEG hits LC resonance.  That makes the light bulbs light up.  That causes Lenz drag and the motor slows down.  The motor slowing down means you lose LC resonance.  Losing LC resonance means the light bulbs go out.  The light bulbs going out means the Lenz drag disappears.  The Lenz drag disappearing means the motor can start speeding up again.  And so on, and so on...

The proof of Lenz drag and going in and out of resonance is right there for all to see.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 01, 2014, 12:33:47 AM
Here is a Spectrum Analysis of my MOT QEG test device.

Note that my rotor RPM is in the 1,500 RPM range... But my Electrical Resonance is in the 29Hz range.

My MOT Inductance swings from 6H to 12H and Resonating Capacitor is 2.5uf

From the Spectrum my test devices Mechanical Resonance is in the 225Hz range with a second peak in the 500Hz range.

Luc

Heh.... 1500 RPM is 25 Hz. 25 x 29 is 725. 500 + 225 is.... 725. Numbers don't lie!


( but they do joke around a lot.)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 01, 2014, 01:36:26 AM
All:

Note 0.010" of an inch is roughly the thickness of a sheet of paper.  There is not a chance that the QEG could be built to that dimensional size, not to mention 0.001" which is ridiculous.  If that's in the manual somewhere that's laughable.  Now notice saying "laughable" is not malicious bashing, it's simply a true statement.  Note we haven't even been discussing tolerances.

F_Brown,

I am not sure if you are simulating with ideal components or component models that include hidden parameters to make them "real world."  In reading your statements there is one thing I want to make clear about the switching of the inductance value, where you toggle back and forth between two values.  For starters that's a pretty cool trick that you are doing with the sim.  The big point is that just the act of dynamically switching the value of an inductor that's in a circuit in the "real time" of your simulation cannot be a source of energy.  It simply can't happen.  So I am not sure how you are getting increasing resonant oscillations in your simulation.

Here is something for your consideration, and I will assume we are working with ideal components here:  Your circuit is [12-volt battery] -> [2-ohm resistor] -> [ inductor(t)] ->  [Ground]

Let's say the inductor(t) toggles between 2 Henries and 4 Henries every 30 seconds.   What will the sim show?   How will it handle the abrupt change in the value of the inductance?  It's effectively a discontinuity in the value of the inductance, will the sim be able to cope with it?

Let's forget about the sim for a second and crunch it in our heads.  Let's assume ideal components.  Do you know what will happen when the inductance toggles in value?  It's an important question because if you do know then great, but if you aren't sure, then how can you be sure your sim is running correctly?

MileHigh


In my sim the inductance parameter varies in a smooth, continuous, sine-wave manner, rather than a discontinuous step wise manner.  I read a paper on parametric excitation just enough to be able to model it.  I have yet to read it through enough to be able to discus how it build energy in the system.  I just know it does it does so in an exponential fashion.

The rest of the components what few there are, have real world parasitic values except for the cap.  The ESR of the capacitor I expect would be negligible small, especially if it was a high-quality film-foil cap.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 01, 2014, 03:19:51 AM
Thanks for the extra information.  The fact that you make the inductance value vary like a sine wave is very impressive, and of course it's presumably a much better approximation of what is taking place in the QEG than a step function.

When you switch to a variable mechanical inductor the answer as to what happens is essentially instantly available and seems obvious.  I already mentioned it.   Hint hint...  lol

Just for fun, let me see if I can get through doing it mathematically on 'paper.'   I am going to enter rarely visited waters...

The example circuit to analyze the problem is trivial - it's just an ideal inductor shorted by an ideal wire.

The formula for your inductance as a function of time:

L(t) =  (sin(omega * t) +2)     [inductance varies between 1 and 3 Henries]   Note - I am avoiding a divide-by-zero problem

Let's define the initial conditions and use something simple to illustrate the problem:  When the inductance is 3 henries, say the current is 5 amps.   That means you have 37.5 joules stored in the coil under these conditions.

Everything is ideal, so no energy is lost.   We just need to solve for the current as a function of inductance.  Since the inductance also varies with time, you effectively are also solving for the current as a function of time.   The voltage across the coil is always zero, and that may help us to simplify things.

Let's take a peek at how things look when the inductance is 1 henry.  You still have to have 37.5 joules stored in the inductor therefore the current has to be:

E = 1/2 L I^2
I^2 = 2E/L
I = sqrt(2E/L)

Therefore when L = 1 henry,  i = 8.66 amps.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 01, 2014, 03:57:07 AM
Okay, so...

We are looking for i(l(t)),  the current as a function of the time-varying inductance....   And we know that the energy stored in the time-varying inductance is a constant.   We also know that the voltage is always zero.

l(t) =  (sin(omega * t) +2)

dl(t)/dt = omega * (cos (omega * t))       [not needed]

E = 1/2 L i^2

37.5 = 1/2 * (sin(omega * t) +2) * I^2

75 = (sin(omega * t) + 2) * I^2

i^2 = 75/(sin(omega * t) + 2)

i(t) = sqrt((75/(sin(omega * t) + 2))    - [equation for the current as a function of time]

Let's try punching in the values:

When the inductance is 3 henries, i = 5 amps, that checks out.

When the inductance is 1 henry, i = 8.66 amps, that checks out.

However, I still haven't solved for i(l), the current as a function of inductance,  and I am too tired now.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 01, 2014, 04:07:03 AM
Walk along with  me to the playground. Now you are pushing a child on a swing. You push gently and the child moves up, and back. Each time the swing comes back, you give it another gentle push. The swing swings higher and even higher, but you notice that the intervals between pushes are always the same. Tick tock, another little push, the child goes higher and higher and begins to cry a little. Look! You know your physics and you know that the higher something is, the greater its _potential_ energy, and you know that if something travels further in the same time interval it must be going faster, and you know that the faster something goes the greater its _kinetic_ energy. But you have only been giving precisely timed little gentle pushes!

What is going on here? You are storing energy in a resonant system of high Q. The resonant frequency is determined by the length of the ropes holding the saddle of the swing... nothing else. The system is "integrating" the small gentle low-power pushes into a lot of stored energy. This energy is "circulating" in the same way that reactive power circulates in an RLC circuit. If the R is low and other factors favorable, the system won't dissipate this energy and it will build up and build up. As long as your gentle pushes are replacing the losses on a per-cycle basis, the energy will continue to build and build, until something breaks. When that something breaks, _all_ the stored energy is released, things break or explode or the child goes flying through the air. But you only ever fed it those gentle pushes that could never break anything!

Now it should be clear that you can take real power out of such a system only at a rate equal to your gentle pushing, if you want to keep it at a high energy state. Take out energy faster than it is being put in, and the amplitude of the resonant oscillations will decay... to use a technical term.

 :-\ :'( :-[

 :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 01, 2014, 04:25:07 AM
Thanks for the extra information.  The fact that you make the inductance value vary like a sine wave is very impressive, and of course it's presumably a much better approximation of what is taking place in the QEG than a step function.

When you switch to a variable mechanical inductor the answer as to what happens is essentially instantly available and seems obvious.  I already mentioned it.   Hint hint...  lol

Just for fun, let me see if I can get through doing it mathematically on 'paper.'   I am going to enter rarely visited waters...

The example circuit to analyze the problem is trivial - it's just an ideal inductor shorted by an ideal wire.

The formula for your inductance as a function of time:

L(t) =  (sin(omega * t) +2)     [inductance varies between 1 and 3 Henries]   Note - I am avoiding a divide-by-zero problem

Let's define the initial conditions and use something simple to illustrate the problem:  When the inductance is 3 henries, say the current is 5 amps.   That means you have 37.5 joules stored in the coil under these conditions.

Everything is ideal, so no energy is lost.   We just need to solve for the current as a function of inductance.  Since the inductance also varies with time, you effectively are also solving for the current as a function of time.   The voltage across the coil is always zero, and that may help us to simplify things.

Let's take a peek at how things look when the inductance is 1 henry.  You still have to have 37.5 joules stored in the inductor therefore the current has to be:

E = 1/2 L I^2
I^2 = 2E/L
I = sqrt(2E/L)

Therefore when L = 1 henry,  i = 8.66 amps.

You sort of have the time function right, although you have to keep in mind that parametric excitation only works for some thing like a tank circuit.  So, shorting the coil may be counter productive to elucidating the workings of the phenomenon.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 01, 2014, 04:57:56 AM
Inductance is perhaps not a very convenient parameter here for evaluating energy.  You may be better off using a B element to integrate MMF and flux density. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 01, 2014, 07:34:18 AM
Link to post will be at top: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/323-possible-rotor-construction-in-witts-generator#1296
Can this be confirmed?  Exciter coil is only needed for the first couple of weeks.  I am looking for the audio conference of this statement.  I only see the manual 3-25-2014 instruct to adjust the spark gap every few weeks.

How would that translate into hours?  A weeks time of 5,10,15 hours a day?  The manual where it states the exciter coil is used to conduct power from the quantum zero point into the core and this produces the over unity.  If exciter could be removed then what pray tell what would be the majority of the power production? 

I have yet to see a quantum exciter coil in the Morocco setup.  This is that very thing separating the QEG from any other contemporary generators.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 01, 2014, 09:10:55 AM
Miles,

Pardon the short reply today, I was working on this.  Although first I made some images for you.  The first shows the parametric excitation in relation to the voltage across one primary at the onset of resonance.  The second is part of what I was working on today.  I tried to use FEMM in combination with my QEG SPICE model to calculate the torque on the rotor as a function of rotor angle through one full revolution.  After about 18 hours of work, I managed to generate a graph and integrate the area under the cure to get a total torque figure.  First off it's way too big, although it is interesting that it shows more area under the negative side than it does on the positive side. 

Anyway, here is my methodology in case someone can figure out where I went wrong.

My presumptions:

The peak inductance in the QEG corresponds to when the rotor is lined up with the stator poles.

I used the SPICE model to generate a graph of parametrically varied primary inductance vs primary current. (see image below).  I decided to try to generate a bunch of data points from peak inductance to peak inductance.  One half rotation of the rotor.  This is all that is necessary because of the symmetry of the device.  Basically that would be data would be every 2.5 degrees of the rotation and  indicate the primary current at the moment.

I then put each current data point into a DC FEMM analysis and get a torque figure for the rotor at that position and primary current.

After all that I put the torque figures into my numerical analysis application graphed the numbers and integrated the area under the curve(see image below).

It seems to me the torque figures are excessively high.  It integrated to some -304 N m for the total.  I think that means if the a big enough flywheel was attached to the QEG and it was put into motion, it would accelerate all by itself.  This much be wrong. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on May 01, 2014, 10:07:05 AM