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Title: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: madddann on March 27, 2014, 02:42:27 AM
Hello everyone! Looks like today is a very special day we all were dreaming about.

Today I was looking at Pesn.com and saw this story: http://pesn.com/2014/03/26/9602463_Quantum-Energy-Generator_QEG_Open-Sourced/

"Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced

HopeGirl yesterday announced that they had finally completed their downloadable plans that will enable to world to open source a modified Tesla free energy technology capable of producing a net output of 10 kW -- enough to power a home."


The plans are dowloadable at her blog: http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/qeg-open-sourced/
...and here is her youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/user/HopeGirl587



...and while I was looking at the videos I just realized that the generator looks very familiar just like... bang... this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU (Self Running 40kW 40,000 Watt Fuelless Generator Full Video [www.witts.ws]


What do you guys think? Did we just hit the jackpot?


Dann
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gyulasun on March 27, 2014, 11:58:00 AM

....

What do you guys think? Did we just hit the jackpot?



Hi Dann,   yes we did...     in the sense that now we know what to avoid.   8) :) 8)

Have you noticed this thread here: http://www.overunity.com/14442/anyone-heard-about-qeg/msg394493/#msg394493

Gyula
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: madddann on March 27, 2014, 01:23:58 PM
OK ... not so excited anymore... didn't notice that thread yesterday...

In the QEG user manual it is written that they were helped by WITTS.

I just noticed that the schematic is missing the bridge rectifier between the variac output and the DC motor.
Also realized that this thing would cost alot to build - not for the average experimenter.


Dann

Hi Dann,   yes we did...     in the sense that now we know what to avoid.   8) :) 8)

Have you noticed this thread here: http://www.overunity.com/14442/anyone-heard-about-qeg/msg394493/#msg394493 (http://www.overunity.com/14442/anyone-heard-about-qeg/msg394493/#msg394493)

Gyula
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on March 27, 2014, 01:48:44 PM
Here is paten with better quality pictures if for somebody needed. http://www.google.com/patents/US511916 (http://www.google.com/patents/US511916)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on March 27, 2014, 03:42:06 PM


 Actually this Patent shown is his Oscillator driven by a gas or steam. How is that applicable to what they are doing?


 They are misdirecting people.


 The real patent is this: http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine


 Every element they mention in their schematic can be linked directly to this patent. 3 section are very distinct, 1 Exciter, 2 Generator, 3 Prime mover(motor) all on a single shaft by Tesla's method.


 I have shown this patent add numb. No one seems to get it. Look at what they are showing and you will see that the link I present is the device they are showing. It IS real! It does work but they are trying to keep it a secret. The patent they are showing is a random Tesla patent made to deceive you till they secure a working model and a bogus patent claim of their own. Tesla owned the patent and it is now in the public domain. No one owns it, So NO ONE could sell it legally! It is an attempt to shirk what Tesla secured in patenting and then letting the patent go to public domain. It is our gift and was in plain sight all along.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on March 27, 2014, 04:57:35 PM
This is 100% BS


http://revolution-green.com/open-sourced-qeg-generator-show-data/


Kind Regards
Mark




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on March 27, 2014, 05:04:23 PM
They are misdirecting people.


 The real patent is this: http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine (http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine)

In this patent no resonant capasitors, so this pattent, I think, is wrong.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on March 27, 2014, 05:16:46 PM
From that maded rotor and stator, maybe somebody knowhn?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on March 27, 2014, 05:23:34 PM
This is 100% BS


http://revolution-green.com/open-sourced-qeg-generator-show-data/ (http://revolution-green.com/open-sourced-qeg-generator-show-data/)


Kind Regards
Mark

Indeed it is, and indeed it is an offshoot of the religious cult scammers WITTS,  and Timothy Thrapp.

But you have an interesting typo in the article....

"The work of Timothy Therapy comes to mind."

Spellcheckers are great comedians sometimes.

 ;D

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on March 27, 2014, 05:31:53 PM
You had better be careful...

Quote
This notice serves the purpose of communicating the serious nature of building a quantum machine, as we are well aware that there have been severe restrictive agencies involved with their suppression. Quantum free energy isn’t taught at University and most designers have heretofore been unsuccessful at mass distribution. It is YOUR RESPONSIBILITY therefore to make certain you are building the QEG with positive intentions for humanity, and lashing out legally or otherwise to FTW, HopeGirl and/or the designer and his family, is a violation of goodwill and will in no way be attended to. We know of no other way to do this but to go back to the “HONOR SYSTEM.”

In reading this notice I agree that:
1) I WILL NOT ATTEMPT TO BUILD A QEG UNLESS I DO SO APPROPRIATELY WITH AN  ELECTROMECHANCIAL ENGINEERING PROFESSIONAL. (sic)
 
2) I WILL NOT COMMISSION (TURN ON) OR INSTALL THE QEG WITHOUT AN ELECTROMECHANICAL ENGINEERING PROFESSIONAL.

3) UNDER THE ABOVE CONDITIONS, I MAY USE THE QEG INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS FOR PERSONAL USE, AND UNDERSTAND THE NEED FOR IMPECCABLE COMMITMENT TO THE BETTERMENT OF HUMANITY.  IN THE BEST INTEREST OF THE PEOPLE OF PLANET EARTH, I WILL NOT ATTEMPT TO MISUSE OR MONOPOLIZE  THE QEG INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS IN  ANY CAPACITY, NOR WILL I ATTEMPT TO MAKE A HUGE PROFIT AT THE EXPENSE OF ANOTHER HUMAN BEING.

IMPORTANT – Please make certain that persons who are to use this equipment thoroughlyr ead and understand these instructions and any additional instructions prior to construction, installation and operation.

In addition, we require you to read this notice again when you are ready to assemble the core.

So if you build it and it doesn't work, that proves that you don't have the right attitude and you probably aren't holding your mouth right, either.


Come on, people. This is just more bait, chumming the waters. Don't be a fish.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vince on March 27, 2014, 05:40:42 PM
Fake or not, the schematic is quite interesting !   I have a question to anybody that may have had a closer look at the drawing and instructions.  Is there an omission in the rotor details. I see a stack of plates mounted to the armature shaft but no mention of windings or magnets. Is this supposed to be just a rotating metal armature that acts as a flux bridge, or did I miss something?  I see that they mention a bridge rectifier on the parts list but omitted it in the schematic for the dc motor.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on March 27, 2014, 07:14:55 PM
Fake or not, the schematic is quite interesting !   I have a question to anybody that may have had a closer look at the drawing and instructions.  Is there an omission in the rotor details. I see a stack of plates mounted to the armature shaft but no mention of windings or magnets. Is this supposed to be just a rotating metal armature that acts as a flux bridge, or did I miss something?  I see that they mention a bridge rectifier on the parts list but omitted it in the schematic for the dc motor.




Hey Vince, this is what I think.
Sometimes ago, I run a 7.5 hp 3 phase motor ( squirrel cage) as a generator just to show to my people. The principle looks like the same. I will build one to test.
I already have the "doesn't work". At least I'm sure that I will learn something....


My YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/user/jucajosecosta/videos?shelf_id=1&view=0&sort=dd (https://www.youtube.com/user/jucajosecosta/videos?shelf_id=1&view=0&sort=dd)
Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gyulasun on March 27, 2014, 08:43:47 PM
...
I see a stack of plates mounted to the armature shaft but no mention of windings or magnets. Is this supposed to be just a rotating metal armature that acts as a flux bridge, or did I miss something? 
...

Hi Vince,

I also think it can be a stack of (soft iron) plates  (laminations) rotated by the motor and it is supposed to change the permeability of the ring core whenever in alignment with the 2 -2 yokes of the ring core, thus causing a periodic change in the coils inductance (this is also called a parametric excitation).  Whether this gives any extra output, it remains to be tested.

Gyula
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: albator10 on March 28, 2014, 02:14:37 AM
The QEG has a lot of similarity with the John W Ecklin motor/generator patented in 1986 (See the attached files)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on March 28, 2014, 01:41:55 PM




...and while I was looking at the videos I just realized that the generator looks very familiar just like... bang... this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU) (Self Running 40kW 40,000 Watt Fuelless Generator Full Video [www.witts.ws]


What do you guys think? Did we just hit the jackpot?


Dann

If you look closely the WITTS Demo by T. Thrapp shows, that the motor does NOT slow down
when the screws in the bulbs... at minute 7:30
This is the best evidence for a fake...the motor speed
should change !
So the bulbs are just powered by the grid and not the unit...

The cameraman also asked this and then see, what Thrapp says and has some
kind of excuses...
Well I did not hear it slow down... and I watched it several times...
At this huge load the motor
should already slow down, when he only screws in 1 light bulb....

Also the QED circuit digramm does not include the dc rectifier bridge, what is
listed in the parts list, so it is probably a wrong circuit diagramm and can´t work this way...
So how would they drive the DC motor with AC then ??

Don´t fall for this scam until they will show their own unit really selfpowered...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on March 28, 2014, 02:02:52 PM
In this patent no resonant capasitors, so this pattent, I think, is wrong.


 The patent I showed is the basic design. Capacitors could be used to improve the efficiency at the appropriate spots. There is also control circuitry not included in the basic patent.

 With their design the 4 poles would indeed slow the unit down when power is extracted but in the tesla patent that I showed there are no poles per say. In fact Tesla said that the ring generators field cores would act like they had infinite poles. This is accomplished by the many many winds of copper around the ring field core. Each turn of each wind would be considered a pole.

 Another reference to the Tesla method has already been shown by https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3b3h2cEbHw

 Now this is not the exact method that the patent That I have shown shows. It is in exact opposite and actually a hybrid. Where the magneto (exciter) and generator sections were merged. I don't believe this will work that well because of the fact that the permanent magnets are inside of the generator ring. The magneto needs to be 2 phase. And the generator field coils utilize the 2 phase from the magentos to create a standard Tesla rotating magnetic field within the toroid. The field cores are excited by High voltage which gets transformed in the rotor core's 2 phase generator coils. When this happens a huge magnetic field is created in the Rotor core and loops back to the toroid field cores generating even more high voltage and continues to do so in a loop. You can tap the loop via the rotor generating coils and utilized in the way Tesla has shown in the patent. Once this process is started no additional energy is required to feed this system once it is up to speed. and because the field cores have no real poles there is very little effect on the speed of the rotor as the prime mover rotates the rotor shaft.

 In the case of the above video he has chosen a pulse motor. Thats fine and dandy but the real power of the system should utilize a motor as shown in the Tesla patent. This will allow for a more robust system that can generate much more then what the video shows above.

 Also you must adhere to transformer rules when utilizing Tesla's methods. Keeping the strong magnetic fields in the rotors core allows conservation of the magnetic field to strengthen the effect of this kind of system.

 Tesla also tried to tell us about the direction of the high voltage field and it's relationship to the rotor's direction of turning. Allowing the field coils to travel in the opposite direction of the rotor allows for a better efficiency of the generators section, especially at lower speeds.

 So lets take this one step at a time:

 Magneto (exciter):  -- A magneto is an electrical generator that uses permanent magnets to produce periodic pulses of alternating current.
      This should be a standard High voltage Magneto in a isolated two phase design. This means there is no common ground. Each phase is completely separated.

 Generator: High voltage field coils on a non polled core: Standard Tesla toroidial transformer 4 subsections. Two coils per phase diametrically opposite per pair.
       The rotor should be Two Phase 90 degrees out of phase in winding. So a cross design. The field coils should be energized in opposition to the rotor turning direction (to increase low speed generation).
       The field cores should be able to channel a good amount of the magnetic field producible by the rotors two phase coils. <- This might be  limiting factor of the total power obtainable from the system.
       The rotor coils should be of heavy gauge and the field coils should be of very light gauge.

 Prime mover (motor): This can be made as strong as one needs. The more powerful the Motor the better it can be tapped for useful energy as mechanical output. It must be of the design Tesla notes in his Patent.

 Both Current and mechanical energy can be taken from this system. This is what Tesla was testing in 1932 with the Pierce Arrow experiment. He had Westinghouse build the motor/generator for him but made the control circuitry himself. This was to control the output of the unit and used up to 12 tubes for that purpose.
 Several other Patents Tesla used were the magnetic control valve for the Gas pedal so to speak and various other patents provided by him. All of the other PAtents were done after he refined his ideas. Each one not directly tied to this device but as a subset of patents.

 Again lets refer to the Patent:

 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine  <--Whole system generic layout without control systems
 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,820-alternate-current-regulator  <--Controller for Prime mover (Gas Pedal)
 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-382,282-electric-converting-distributing  <--This is a more detailed description of the transformer in the system patent

 One other note of interest is that the generator section if shorted would act like an AC motor. Direct shorting should not be employed on the generator section as this would fight the prime mover. So control circuitry must be used to keep it from direct shorting the generating Rotor.

 The reason for the belt in the original patent was for mechanical extraction. The more you retard the rotor the more it becomes unsynchronized and the more current it generates per the text. In this mode it is a constant velocity system and an attempt to retard the rotor via mechanical extraction correspondingly increases the generated currents. Although this would be best in mechanical extraction I doubt this is the design that won in Tesla's mind. The option I allude to creates a symbiotic relationship to variable output without the need to retard the rotor since the Prime mover is included on the same shaft and hence generates a constant current. This would mean that when not in use it would generate huge heat values due to current pooling which was a reported issue in Tesla's Roadster test that made him include a sizable fan to keep it from overheating on the shaft as well.

 One curious point is that when Tesla was looking at the impulses and how they affected static metal is that a huge heat value was attained. This is due to current pooling in the static metal. If the current has no where to go it will build to a point of melting the metal in the field and this is where I draw my conclusions about heat related issues in the Roadster experiment. When the current is not extracted it builds and a high value of heat is generated because it can not flow.

 Tesla also elluded that metal wires even though straight had a variable static capacity. The variable part being the elevation above ground level. When that capacity is overshot it will react in various ways that also include explosions of that variable static capacity just like when you overfill a capacitor it will explode with such violence that he likened it to the best dynamite of the day.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on March 28, 2014, 02:42:27 PM
Yes Vince; I think the rotor is just a flux bridge between field coils on the right and left. The field is oscillating
in resonance which modulates output with the resonant frequency. Note the incredible 25KV Working Voltage
capacitor bank implying a resonant Q of 100. This is what resonance can do to the LC tank voltage in right power
applications. The generator stator core seems to have extra insulation in order to be able to handle this field
voltage. The generator operating in this mode is called a magnetic amplifier. That Stanley guy used an
automobile alternator in the same way by modulating the field coil as part of his hydrogen HHO generator.

Amazingly, I saw a schematic of a standard household generator that was almost exactly the same
as this except that there was no field resonance, it was that simple, AVR automatic voltage regulation
seemed to be implemented by parametric modification. So I think this may be a standard generator
with more insulation on the field and heavy duty resonance on the field.

Nothing in the above implies overunity to me...except the 25KV makes the generator sensitive to incoming
free electrons. I suspect that this is at least part of the overunity being displayed, if any. The belt drive is part
of the static antenna, I think. 25KV is beyond the anode voltage of a BW CRT, but with significant more
power. *HV Caution* is definitely warranted IMHO.

If that Qmogen mechanical theory previously on overunity.com was correct "luging" of the drive motor is critical
which may not happen unless the generator is loaded with a dummy resistive load not shown in the schematic.

----

You will notice that this set up is similar to the generators labeled "prior-art2" and "prior-art3" in the
Ecklin patent but with electromagnet field coils in place of the permanent magnets. The Ecklin generator
main drawing shows a winding on the rotor implying brushes. These other guys are all brush free...OK, I guess.


:S:MarkSCoffman


 
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on March 28, 2014, 05:19:02 PM
Yes Vince; I think the rotor is just a flux bridge between field coils on the right and left. The field is oscillating
in resonance which modulates output with the resonant frequency. Note the incredible 25KV Working Voltage
capacitor bank implying a resonant Q of 100. This is what resonance can do to the LC tank voltage in right power
applications. The generator stator core seems to have extra insulation in order to be able to handle this field
voltage. The generator operating in this mode is called a magnetic amplifier. That Stanley guy used an
automobile alternator in the same way by modulating the field coil as part of his hydrogen HHO generator.

Amazingly, I saw a schematic of a standard household generator that was almost exactly the same
as this except that there was no field resonance, it was that simple, AVR automatic voltage regulation
seemed to be implemented by parametric modification. So I think this may be a standard generator
with more insulation on the field and heavy duty resonance on the field.

Nothing in the above implies overunity to me...except the 25KV makes the generator sensitive to incoming
free electrons. I suspect that this is at least part of the overunity being displayed, if any. The belt drive is part
of the static antenna, I think. 25KV is beyond the anode voltage of a BW CRT, but with significant more
power. *HV Caution* is definitely warranted IMHO.

If that Qmogen mechanical theory previously on overunity.com was correct "luging" of the drive motor is critical
which may not happen unless the generator is loaded with a dummy resistive load not shown in the schematic.

----

You will notice that this set up is similar to the generators labeled "prior-art2" and "prior-art3" in the
Ecklin patent but with electromagnet field coils in place of the permanent magnets. The Ecklin generator
main drawing shows a winding on the rotor implying brushes. These other guys are all brush free...OK, I guess.


:S:MarkSCoffman


 
 


 The reason for the slip rings in the patent I have shown is that the induction in the rotating transformer(generator) is already being used. Any attempt to use induction to make it brushless will kill the loop we are employing to generate any extra current we see from the loop. Unfortunately slip rings are the only way to extract anything useful from this process. If you wrap the field coils with extraction coils it will destroy the loop and a normal transformer action will ensue. Any extraction must be done at the rotor coils in order to increase the loop strength. The more current pulled out of the rotor coils will increase the magnetic coupling of the field coils and the rotor and this will increase the output.


 Alot of this is strictly theory at this point. But when I restart my efforts to build it, it will become proof.


 Some work has been done as the videos show but again traditional applications with slight modifications are what we are seeing. We need to go back to the original setup and start testing this in order to realign ourselves with the designers aims. What we have seen commercialized from these patents is only what they could break and make it so we have to sustain the generation by replacing the loop with fuel consumption. This was a bastardization of the original idea to get them what they wanted (an income stream) and "They", well we all know who "They" are.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pixel on March 31, 2014, 08:27:51 PM
Stefan, the rectifier is mentioned in the description text. Variac->Rectifier->DC motor
QUOTE
The output of the variac is connected to a 600 volt, 25 Amp full-wave bridge rectifier to power the variable speed DC drive motor.
\QUOTE

getting the right capacitors is the first problem (expensive)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 01, 2014, 03:54:10 AM
From PESN regarding the Quantum Energy Generator:

"[8:00:18 PM] Hope Moore: Yes we have a working prototype.

[8:01:02 PM] Sterling D. Allan: Thx for writing. I'll add that to the page. Can you tell me what the longest it's run for?

[8:01:06 PM | Edited 8:01:27 PM] Hope Moore: We just finished it and gave away the plans to the whole world for free. Any engineer can build one.

[8:01:48 PM] Sterling D. Allan: I was impressed with the detail in the plans, though I've not had time to digest it closely.

[8:03:52 PM] Hope Moore: The important thing to understand here is that we got it to produce raw power. And we did it in 5 months. It is now open sourced so anyone will be able to make improvements and humanity will co develop it together.

[8:05:33 PM] Sterling D. Allan: Do you know of anyone who has been able to replicate it per the plans yet? (I know you just posted them publicly, but perhaps you had earlier drafts available privately before.)

[8:07:37 PM] Hope Moore: No. We kept everything confidential until we open sourced a few days ago. We suspect that in about 3 months time QEGs will start popping up everywhere. We are now here in Taiwan in a factory with 30 students teaching them to build QEGs. In two weeks we will be in Morocco doing the same thing.

[8:08:41 PM] Sterling D. Allan: Way to go. Wishing you the best. This news certainly has created a lot of hopeful buzz.

[8:10:18 PM] Hope Moore: Our main concern is getting a simple practical free energy design into the hands of the people. So at the moment we are not focusing our energy on "proving it works". We know it works. We are focusing our energy on teaching others and giving them back the power to build these. Because of this grassroots effort, it will be unstoppable.

[8:14:10 PM] Hope Moore: We are a small family and organization with very little resources, so we do the best we can and all the attention (especially the death threats) have made me protective of my family."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 01, 2014, 07:21:47 AM
Quote
[8:01:02 PM] Sterling D. Allan: Thx for writing. I'll add that to the page. Can you tell me what the longest it's run for?

[8:01:06 PM | Edited 8:01:27 PM] Hope Moore: We just finished it and gave away the plans to the whole world for free. Any engineer can build one.

Yes.... but why didn't you answer Sterling's question, there, WhateverGirl?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 03, 2014, 08:26:50 PM
Anything I say here on this is only my guess,  reading her video expressions I would say she is not being 100% up front and that a working model does not exist.  Of course we have all hear the hype before and in the end nothing, nada, excuses only followed.  If they had or have an working model where is the video of it with measurements?   Certainly if anyone with pride in what work they have done would make a video,  get witnesses and proofs coming out their ears.   Evasive is not conviction so my opinion is that we need to verify this device and/or her claims to teaching groups in other countries.  Why did she not begin here where language would have been much easier to communicate with being now needing translation?  There are many USA based enthusiasts groups she could have chosen from who would have jumped at the chance to proven and learn this technology.   If I was a betting man,  I would not bet on these emperor's new clothes until I could see them.  My bet is she is either right here is the USA and NOT traveling or on other business  (doubtful).  But of course I have been incorrect at least once in my life (LOL).  Anyone who can update any information on this topic, please share as often as possible new news.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jdsanders on April 03, 2014, 10:15:39 PM
QEG Updates:

Hopegirl has updated her blog with more QEG info and backstory:

http://wp.me/p2Gy1r-FT (http://wp.me/p2Gy1r-FT)

Also, link to a new QEG Info & Forum website. Can't tell if it's independent or FTW-sponsored, but it is exploding with building info and forum posts:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/ (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/)

Link to (short) video clip of one Taiwan training session; James Robitaille is present:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Q2i9Ir5vI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8Q2i9Ir5vI)

Clip of a new QEG core arriving at Taiwan facility; HopeGirl and James Robitaille are present:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=napK2OYrXZs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=napK2OYrXZs)


APOLOGIES if any of this info is already linked elsewhere.

-Joel D. Sanders
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 03, 2014, 10:40:49 PM
Where is the video of it running itself, providing excess output energy to run other things too? Where's the video of the working independent replication?

These videos here are just more chum for the waters. Don't be a fish.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: albator10 on April 04, 2014, 04:37:50 AM
I also want to see a running prototype.
But if it is a scam it is a very expensive scam.
I have contated Polaris Laser Lamination for a quote for the rotor and stator and the price is :
1 unit = 1314$
20 units = 948$ / units
After that you have to add magnet wire and finish the generator and add 12 big capacitor dc motor and control, etc.
I estimate the cost of 1 unit at least 5000$ - 7000$
In the video we see 1 stator with the winding + 1 other stator...it is a lot of money for a scam....don't know....want to see more.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 04, 2014, 09:36:41 AM
Who can answer, there is permanent magnets in this divice?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 04, 2014, 09:47:47 AM



Here is the prototype.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ztt3R4Bu_0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ztt3R4Bu_0)


No permanent magnets.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 04, 2014, 09:53:37 AM


Here is the prototype.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ztt3R4Bu_0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ztt3R4Bu_0)


No permanent magnets.
Yes, seems exatly, like they divice.  :D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 04, 2014, 10:42:07 AM
http://vimeo.com/90859389 at 55 minutes can look...  ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 04, 2014, 11:51:58 AM
Don't you wonder why he doesn't just take you outside and show you the 20 kW version that has been running his house and workshop for the last 20 years?

This is just more chum for the waters. Don't be a fish.

Think about what you are being shown, what is being claimed, and what the consequences would be if what Thrapp shows and claims is true.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 04, 2014, 12:50:19 PM
Ho Hum,
Once again it will be very entertaining to see what excuses they have when they cant even get it to self loop. they have really painted themselves in a corner .
It is very profitable to sell hope (pun intended)
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on April 04, 2014, 08:20:52 PM
Who can answer, there is permanent magnets in this divice?

No PM's but;

I think you have to initialize a magnetic field with touch of 12Volt battery current into it's core. I've seen designs of very
cheap generators that use small PMM permanent magnet magnetos to do this instead. That is how I would have designed it.
Yet on the other hand I've heard of expensive generators where you needed to reflash their field if they have sat for any
amount of time. This one would need a flashed stator field, I think.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 05, 2014, 06:15:51 AM
Actually the "stator" field is 220 dc pulsed with a Tesla style spark gap and is looped in a lc circuit where the coil is an interestingly large air core coil. And the main core has a independent high voltage primary/secondary that is also in a lc configuration. The plans are available here complete with vendor suggestions:
http://pesn.com/2014/03/26/9602463_Quantum-Energy-Generator_QEG_Open-Sourced/ (http://pesn.com/2014/03/26/9602463_Quantum-Energy-Generator_QEG_Open-Sourced/)
Take a look and you won't have to keep wondering.


I think the idea is to synchronize the rotor cycle in such a way so that the hard hitting torque will always be relieved. The high voltage primary/secondary lc, creates a low current draw for temporary internal energy storage and thus the usual heavy drag in the core can possibly be delayed long enough for the push back to hit after the rotor has passed without seeing the heavy torque usually associated by a brute force generator, as they say timing is everything.


interestingly, the output frequency is said to be 400hz while the rotor spins at ~40hz but must be tuned to just the right speed to maximize output. This 10x frequency differential could account for the claimed 10x performance differential.


Also, the spark gap seems to be set in the circuit in such a way as to relieve the high pressure that would normally be associated to push a large current and additionally help keep it off the rotor maybe even somehow allows for pulling extra electrons from the air.


I thought this was a place for incubating free energy ideas, not for tearing them apart.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 05, 2014, 06:46:33 AM
Very good explanation shinz62.    Trolls are out in force on this one because it is generating a lot of interest.   they must try to crush all hope before it gets bigger cause if the trolls fail they'll get their nuts crushed by their owners.  they are sweating bullets on this one.   video on the front page here shows it running. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi4ldwgfOmk&list=PLO6FJVqlxatdprKQA1BhrJCML2tbomVJ2&feature=player_embedded


They've already got it looped but in their words they aren't focused on proving to everyone right now.   they want to get people building them who really need them.  they will have a better video showing it looped soon enough.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 05, 2014, 10:36:00 AM
I'll tell you what, SteelPU.

Today is the 5th of April. I predict that, by the 5th of May, there will STILL be no credible evidence that this device can "run itself" and provide useful excess power output.

Running itself means, of course, that it isn't running on batteries or a mains connection or anything like that, it is running solely on whatever it is itself producing. Providing useful excess power output... well, let's not expect too much. How about the usual "1 kW" bank of incandescent light bulbs.

So, in one month, if they or anyone else DOES provide credible evidence that it "works" as they claim, I'll stand up in public and make a full and abject apology to you, to HopeGirl, to Timothy Thrapp and whomever else may have been offended or misled by my rabid skepticism. OK?

And in one month, if they DO NOT Provide that kind of credible evidence..... YOU will apologize to ME, publicly and abjectly and so forth, and you will agree to think twice before insulting your critics again.

Fair enough?

Need three months instead of one month? How about a year, would that be more fair? What length of time would be "fair" to you, for this simple wager?

No, the "demonstration" of this device that Thrapp provided in 2010 doesn't count as "credible".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 05, 2014, 10:55:23 AM
LOL   you must be new here,   of course we want success and a replication over and over again.   Mark, MS and most of us have seen this show hundreds of times.  Claims of an OU device and then just excuses.  We HOPE more than ourselves to have this pan out as true,  yet after so many "NOTS" the pattern is VERY evident even to a novice.   Let's see this device self run before we count our blessings.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 05, 2014, 10:57:43 AM
Troll??? Growllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    Your just so funny we must laugh!   
It seems always some new person who has very little time studying the hundreds of devices and claims at is so very ready to jump right in and be convinced of a unsupported claim.   Tell you what,  when this QEG is still unproven in a month  (without excuses) you or we admit the opinion was incorrect.   Personally I think Oil is a smelly business from the ground up  (pun intended) and those energy sellers are death dealers.   Most of us seeing this QEG have the same opinion on that,  we hope all things like this were true.  Yet of course some people just want to have attention how be it short lived and of a false nature.  After all,  everyone gets their 15 secs per lifetime right?   Just sit back SteelTPU and watch a bit before you go spending any money, don't hock the family nest egg just yet.  We don't hope for anything but a working device,  but of course this so far has all the indicators of being just another bogus claim.  If not where is the procedural evidence in video that is straight forward to measure?    Always the new guy we can blame "Trolls!!" on, lol.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 05, 2014, 11:11:38 AM
I think Mark Dansie and TK are right that this is a big Fake.

There is not yet a selflooping prototype from the QEG people,
they just have lighted a few light bulbs, but with lots of input power...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5IdtaqNFBs
Taiwan has resonance ....
but she deactivated the comments, when I asked about output versus input power....


The Witts unit of Thrapp was a fake, as you could see, that using the light bulb loads did not change
the RPMs of the motor and you see, that he screws out the light bulbs first, before shutting his device off,
so the light bulbs were just powered by the grid and not his generator ! Otherwise you would have seen and heard
at least a slight RPM change ! But there was non, so there were hidden cables to the light bulb from the grid...

So I am 100 % sure that the WITTS unit is a fraud to collect donation money as they did until now...
Now Hopegirl started a lot of Hope and collected already almost 27.000 US$ for it from their Indigogo campaign...

Are they paying the money back, if they don´t get it to run selflooped ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 05, 2014, 07:32:25 PM
Troll??? Growllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    Your just so funny we must laugh!   
It seems always some new person who has very little time studying the hundreds of devices and claims at is so very ready to jump right in and be convinced of a unsupported claim.   Tell you what,  when this QEG is still unproven in a month  (without excuses) you or we admit the opinion was incorrect.   Personally I think Oil is a smelly business from the ground up  (pun intended) and those energy sellers are death dealers.   Most of us seeing this QEG have the same opinion on that,  we hope all things like this were true.  Yet of course some people just want to have attention how be it short lived and of a false nature.  After all,  everyone gets their 15 secs per lifetime right?   Just sit back SteelTPU and watch a bit before you go spending any money, don't hock the family nest egg just yet.  We don't hope for anything but a working device,  but of course this so far has all the indicators of being just another bogus claim.  If not where is the procedural evidence in video that is straight forward to measure?    Always the new guy we can blame "Trolls!!" on, lol.

my comment wasn't directed at you.   I don't post much.   I've been reading this forum for years before you signed on.  been looking at free energy before you were born.    I like your name but noticed a shift lately in your mindset.  Don't move to the dark side or they'll trap you there forever.   Keep HOPE.   Universal law states You give power to what you focus on.   

Tinsel your need to be right must be overwhelming.   I have no problem admitting I'm wrong.   give it a year
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Eligos on April 05, 2014, 10:28:19 PM
Let's give it a few more days fellas, we could be happily surprised.
I'm trying to find a blog that the Chinese Engineers could be using to share their info, if anyone finds one, please share it here.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 06, 2014, 12:18:58 AM
Ta DA!!!  Ok, this is just a link to HopeGirls webby AND request for sponsor moneys.   Costs are quoted,  it does not align with the costs we were told.   Maybe the more hard data we gain and present here, the more we can see the overall true picture.


Home Quantum Energy Generator | Indiegogo (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator?c=activity)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 06, 2014, 12:36:03 AM
And I have every HOPE that COP >1 will be discovered and modeled into a working device.  I am only trying to filter the muck from the true worthwhile projects.   It will not come from a group that knowingly misdirects and shares erroneous information.   And please send me "support seekers" need this why?....if they have a working device why not use it to gain all the monies they need?   Logic here reasons that there is something fishy in this stream.  "That link states they need to money to build a working device,  NOT THAT THEY HAVE already built one".
Which statement is the truth?  I mean at one time I was ready to hock my heritage heirlooms just to build a COP > 1 device which was modeled here.  Even videos of it working,  being carried though out a house and yard.  Only to find out later it was a fraud.   People on the edge have needs so great that perhaps they will sink their ship in hopes and belief for a better life.  This is a dangerous thing,  to fool around with peoples lives.  So my "feeling" is to be open to all this information, yet to be cautious and have hard facts before swimming for a supposed shore.   


AND SteelTPU  you know I have been rained on many many times during my lifetime,  yet I do not hide in my house or withdraw from activities just because someone says it might rain.  So don't allow someone (me) to cancel your desire to help and be an active forum commenter.


BTW we both join the forum 13 days apart in July of 2010.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 06, 2014, 03:11:17 AM
Good points on desperate people Hope.  I may be mistakenly assuming no one here is going to jump head first into a pool without first checking to see if it has water.  been wrong before though.  I was reading this forum for a long time before I signed up in 2010.  mostly don't post as I feel I have to spray myself down with Troll-OFF before coming in here. 

please everyone reading don't break the bank to try some new build.  let experimenters who have a little extra $$ give it a try.   other than those reasons I can only think the heavy troll activity is for suppression. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 06, 2014, 03:14:19 AM
hartiberlin please tell us why my browser warns "web site tried to access data on canvas" when I come to overunity.com.  The HTML5 canvas element functionality can be used to try to fingerprint your machine (http://cseweb.ucsd.edu/~hovav/dist/canvas.pdf) and/or track you via assigned identifiers embedded within images.   WHY?

I'm posting this publicly instead of PM to harti because people need to know this.   might be a good reason but I'd like to hear why
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 06, 2014, 04:25:14 AM
Quote from: TinselKoala
And in one month, if they DO NOT Provide that kind of credible evidence..... YOU will apologize to ME, publicly and abjectly and so forth, and you will agree to think twice before insulting your critics again.

Good grief man - now you're sounding like Erron
over at the other place!

The QEG may not be the ultimate answer, but it
is clearly a step in the right direction.  Those who
are experienced in Magnetic Switching should be
able with creativity and innovation to find the way
to get it done.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 06, 2014, 06:16:42 AM
Good grief man - now you're sounding like Erron
over at the other place!

The QEG may not be the ultimate answer, but it
is clearly a step in the right direction.  Those who
are experienced in Magnetic Switching should be
able with creativity and innovation to find the way
to get it done.

OK... I'll give you, SeaMonkey, a YEAR then. If, by April 15, 2015,  any of these "experienced" people can produce a self runner, with excess output power, using the information from HopeGirl.... or Keshe or Bedini or Thrapp or anyone else.... I'll publicly apologize and I'll even STOP POSTING, I'll withdraw totally and disappear.

But if they DON'T.... I'll expect the same from you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 06, 2014, 06:35:11 PM
Hopegirl doing good work! :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Freezer on April 07, 2014, 12:47:57 AM
I'll publicly apologize and I'll even STOP POSTING, I'll withdraw totally and disappear.
You mean like alsetalokin did?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 07, 2014, 12:54:08 AM
Quote from: TinselKoala
OK... I'll give you, SeaMonkey, a YEAR then. If, by April 15, 2015,  any of these "experienced" people can produce a self runner, with excess output power, using the information from HopeGirl.... or Keshe or Bedini or Thrapp or anyone else.... I'll publicly apologize and I'll even STOP POSTING, I'll withdraw totally and disappear.

But if they DON'T.... I'll expect the same from you.

Nay, those demands seem a bit excessive to
my way of thinking.  Your input is just too
important to the fullness of the entire breadth
of discussion here at this forum - to ask you to
disappear is just not possible.** ;)

I fully expect that we'll see some measure of
success relatively soon as work on the modification
of the device with innovation proceeds.  The guys
in Taiwan have already discovered an unexpected
problem and have resolved to make correction.

That it works at all as a generator is encouraging.

[** You'd probably re-appear anyhow. 8)   With a
new persona. ::) ]
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on April 07, 2014, 01:14:35 PM

Yes they apparently have insulation problems with the resonant HV field coil. One should expect this, but why wasn't this worked
out by Tharp? The coil is located very near the metal toroid ring core. This causes the coil to be very long, so layer to
layer voltage is very high, breaking down insulation.


Massive utility power generators produce only 2KVAC then they have to have extensive and expensive transformer
switchyards to step this up. Probably so they don't couple into any untoward "radiant" energy. Customers will gladly
pay though.


----

Also, I noticed too that they lit only two bulbs, a paltry and not necessarily overunity load, but you've got to understand
they've taken on the excessive challange of building a demand oriented generator. The generator has to automatically
adjust it's internal power to the power level of external loads. This automatic system has to be performed heuristically
because before the modern age they could not design discrete systems to do it because the blocks were too expensive.
The Testatika machine had the same problem solved in the same way. Because they probably had not yet adjusted
these parameters they couldn't put more load on it. This is why people say overunity systems tend to catch on fire.
The people designing them don't understand demand systems theory. This is the same reason that critics don't have
a clue.


:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 07, 2014, 03:56:56 PM
Well, from the interview Sterling now did with FTW Hopegirl and parents,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ)

there was released new informations:

1. They don´t yet have a selfrunning prototype, just claiming
2. a 400 Hz unit running on 1/10 the input power. 50 or 60 Hz would also work , but makes too much mechanical wobble problems.
3. Inductance of the core changing between 30 to 40 Henries, so seems to be parametric oscillation.
4. the "Power band with the 10:1 output" as the call it are claimed to come from a mechanical resonance of the core vibrating
at around 400 Hz and is parametrically induced by the spinning iron core rotor.
5. Maximum output power was measured at around 9300 Watts, but the average power is around 3 to 4 KWatts.

What Sterling failed to address is the following:

He did not ask them how much input power the drive motor did draw, when the output operates at the average 3 to 4 KWatts output?
How did they exactly measure the input and output power ? Is there already any 3rd party verification of these power measurements ?
Hope is nice, but as Mark Dansie always says: Show me the data !  Has any 3rd party seen the measurement results data yet ?

==============

I still believe that the WITTS unit was a scam to collect donation money.

Anyway let´s see, what comes out of it...

BTW, here is another forum, where infos are posted about it:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/index (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/index)

If they have new infos. Please also post it here.
Many thanks.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 07, 2014, 04:06:38 PM
Delays to test the unit due to coil arcing:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/118-important-update-from-the-taiwan-team-april-6

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 07, 2014, 05:43:24 PM

You mean like alsetalokin did?
You may not believe this, but the _impostor_ called "alsetalokin" who briefly had an account on this forum.... and even copied the _real_ alsetalokin's icon... is not now and never was me. That one was from Italy, iirc, and we really got pissed off by his theft of the icon and the posts he was making. Why do you think I have to use "TinselKoala" here? It's because that sucker already registered "alsetalokin".

Quote
[** You'd probably re-appear anyhow. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/cool.gif)   With a
new persona. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) ]

Nope... when I go, I'm gone.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 07, 2014, 05:57:11 PM
I told you they didn't have a working prototype. They are working on faith alone. They are sure it will work because it was Revealed to them, in a dream or by channelling or something like that.

And I am sure that it won't work. People have been swinging magnets past heavy coils and generating high voltages for quite some time now, so nobody should be excited that they are able to do that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magneto
And surely they should have been Told by their Source that they could expect arcing if they weren't properly insulated. Heck, I myself could have told them that much. But they didn't ask me, for some reason.

Never fear, in "two or three days" when they have their coil rewound, there will be some other problem that prevents it "temporarily" from running itself. Stock up on popcorn and beer now, it will be a great show!


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 07, 2014, 06:14:52 PM
I told you they didn't have a working prototype. They are working on faith alone. They are sure it will work because it was Revealed to them, in a dream or by channelling or something like that.


They maybe not have self runnig, but man, who build QEG get output 5 kilowats, maximum maybe 9 kilowats. Input motor maybe 500-1000 watss, so Free energy is, if we assume, that he not wery good meshure, then input, let say, 1000 W and output is 2 kilowats. Here also free energy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 07, 2014, 06:58:06 PM
From Sterling: ""...One thing that is important to know is that this QEG is still in the R&D phase of being characterized and optimized. It isn't yet to the point of stability that is ready for people to build and power their homes with it.

 The Fix the World organization wanted to open source this R&D process to speed the development time...""
Also concerns about them asking for donations as proof this is some scam make no sense.   If you had a free energy device or even a good concept and wanted to teach it to others in countries far from home do you think traveling to foreign countries is cheap?   It takes a lot of money to do what they are doing (very altruistic IMO) and so it seems only reasonable they would want to have some contributions to help out.   After all this engineer quit a very good job with Honda to move forward with this.   I don't think for a minute they are scamming any one.  They may or may not have a valid device but I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt to see if it all pans out.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Paul-R on April 07, 2014, 07:08:56 PM
...they should have been Told by their Source...
... to go out and build a boat and put on it two of each species.

They should count themselves lucky that this did not happen. If they jerk us around they may well find that they ARE "Told by their source" to buiild that boat. Then they will be in a right Royal stew.

Why is it that any mention of the Divine seems to be the kiss of death when Tesla told us that the world was so electrical that God must clearly be an electrician.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 07, 2014, 09:15:07 PM
Quote from: TinSelKoAla
People have been swinging magnets past heavy coils and generating high voltages for quite some time now, so nobody should be excited that they are able to do that.

Aye, so they have.  And though it has worked well
the problem of loading dragging down input has
not been solved.

Magnetic Switching, if done properly, will make the
difference.  Those who exercise sufficient creativity
and innovation will find the way.

We've probably all experienced how a strong magnet
can become so firmly attached to a piece of large
metal that it is nearly impossible to pull it off.   But it
can be slid to the edge and removed rather easily.

Is that the concept which we should be paying
attention to?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sterlinga on April 08, 2014, 01:19:12 AM
We've created an open source hub for this project at http://QEG.builders which forwards to PESWiki

Feel free to join in. PESWiki is a publicly editable site.

See also the interview I had recently with the FTW people:
http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ (http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 08, 2014, 01:31:39 AM
I am sorry but I think there are going to be a lot of long faces and HopeGirl is going to become HeatGirl.  These "big coil and secret sauce" deals come around every year like clockwork.

The thing about the relatively new phenomenon of crowd funding is a lot of the deals call for zero accountability from the recipients of the money.  It would not be hard at all to "script" out this whole thing and walk away with your cash bomb and divvy up say two-thirds of the money with your team.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: cheappower2012 on April 08, 2014, 01:38:11 AM
I don't believe this is a scam,more like a delusion by Hopegirl ,her step dad and wife.
Its obvious there never was a working prototype,you are dealing with pure hope,and mass delusion.
In a way its funny,how stupid can people be,more stupid that you can imagine.Before anyone brands me a total skeptic
I believe there are a few real world devices,that appear to be free energy devices but are converters of a
new undiscovered energy source,defeating of conservation of energy and matter is not possible.
A free energy device is not possible however a converter is allowed.This device as pointed out is a replicate of the Witt
ministries device which is a scam and a hoax.Another mass delusion thats going on is in the Akula0083 30 Watt Self Running Generator
thread.People believe that a Russian aka (sharkhead) made a self running device with no evidence  but
crappy videos.This started a mass delusion to replicate a device that can not work,will not work,is a prank by the sharkhead.The hope is theres a magic combination of transformer windings and conditions  that will create free energy,its a mass delusion.
This mass delusion extends to the OUR forum,funny stuff,I bring this up because this mass delusion is very similar to the
Hopegirl (QEG)mass delusion.The only good thing that comes out of this is that if a real device
was created ,it could spread world wide in a very short time,the cooperation of people world wide is really amazing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 08, 2014, 01:50:13 AM
Hi CheapPower 2012
I agree it is more a delusion than a scam, but it has the ingredients of a scam being censorship, mistruths and requests for money.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 08, 2014, 02:05:04 AM
Hi CheapPower 2012
I agree it is more a delusion than a scam, but it has the ingredients of a scam being censorship, mistriths and requests for money.
Kind Regards
Mark
I was chatting with some of them yesterday in their Skype room. Nice people. I asked for some hard data and they promised next week so presumably at the conference. They certainly seem genuine. Will wait and see if they are deluded.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 08, 2014, 02:10:44 AM
I am sorry but I think there are going to be a lot of long faces and HopeGirl is going to become HeatGirl.  These "big coil and secret sauce" deals come around every year like clockwork.

The thing about the relatively new phenomenon of crowd funding is a lot of the deals call for zero accountability from the recipients of the money.  It would not be hard at all to "script" out this whole thing and walk away with your cash bomb and divvy up say two-thirds of the money with your team.
Is there any secret sauce here? Apart from the lack of hard data on performance Is there anything we don't know about construction or operation? They seem to have been fairly open about that. I've spoken to a couple of others who have said they are getting direct help via skype on their replications.
The end result maybe that it does not work as advertised but I'm not seeing anything hidden or dishonest here.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: cheappower2012 on April 08, 2014, 02:33:40 AM
markdansie

People have a tendency to Hope,even if theres no chance that this device will
 work,they may believe
they can fix the problems as they go along,thats why they ask for more money,
its funny and sad, as no amount of money can make this device work.
A friend who studies people and Hope,said to me, Hope is the most powerful force in the world
I think hes right.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 08, 2014, 03:16:21 AM
Is there any secret sauce here? Apart from the lack of hard data on performance Is there anything we don't know about construction or operation? They seem to have been fairly open about that. I've spoken to a couple of others who have said they are getting direct help via skype on their replications.
The end result maybe that it does not work as advertised but I'm not seeing anything hidden or dishonest here.
Then why declare it is real, and all the spin that goes with it.
Kind regards
PS I know others far more worthy than this

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 08, 2014, 03:40:24 AM
I am sorry but I think there are going to be a lot of long faces and HopeGirl is going to become HeatGirl.  These "big coil and secret sauce" deals come around every year like clockwork.

The thing about the relatively new phenomenon of crowd funding is a lot of the deals call for zero accountability from the recipients of the money.  It would not be hard at all to "script" out this whole thing and walk away with your cash bomb and divvy up say two-thirds of the money with your team.
Well they have made $28,595 with crowd funding so far.   Maybe enough for their team fly to Taiwan, pay for food and accommodations and the cost of their initial unit they've spent 6 months building (but little or nothing for their labor).   Sorry you think so low of people and a career engineer no less.   I cannot imagine any way this is going to make them rich with the plans they have laid out.   Except maybe rich in Karma if it all works out to give those who really need energy just to have clean water and heat in the freezing cold.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 08, 2014, 03:52:41 AM
My bad because I did not do my due diligence and check on how much they raised.  I had read about a few other crowd funding campaigns where they raised hundreds of thousands of dollars.  Neil Young just raised a fortune for his high definition audio player.  I assumed that they had raised a few hundred thousand dollars.  (I see it's in the $28K range now (typo?), not just a few thousand.)

On topic, here is a quote from the QED forum:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/157-update-april-7-qeg-team-in-taiwan (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/157-update-april-7-qeg-team-in-taiwan)

Quote
From James from the FTW QEG team in Taiwan:
 
 Hello All, This is James. just wanted to post an update to let you know how we made out with resolving the insulation issue... It was another amazing day! As we said, yesterday we stripped all the wire off the two primary coils to prepare for replacing the insulation and rewinding. Today our host took us to a winding company here in Taiwan that also specializes in developing insulation systems.
 
 This is one of the top 3 companies in the country, and one of the best in Asia (our host has amazing connections). They build coils for some of the biggest names in the world, and we had the entire design team in the conference room! It was amazing to watch their faces as we began to explain what the QEG is and how it works! (we get that all the time).
 
 So they were intrigued and excited, and agreed  to take on the repair. They will also build up Taiwan's second (bare) core with their improved insulation system from the bare core up. They confirmed almost immediately that what was needed was interlayer insulation to prevent this happening again, and to ruggedize the design.
 
 So they will add mylar interlayer insulation and rewind the two primary coils on the first core, and they say they can complete it by end of work day tomorrow. We'll go pick it back up tomorrow evening and put it back together wednesday morning, to resume tuning and testing.

This still is my business and I can tell you, in my opinion, that this whole story is not real sounding at all.  The only way you could get a bunch of engineers in a room is if you were doing real volume business, like you were buying 20,000 typical small transformers a month (and even that is more or less chump change).  "We had the entire design team in the conference room."  One of the few times I use this: ROTFLMAO

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 08, 2014, 04:04:26 AM
Schematic:
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 08, 2014, 04:14:24 AM
Then why declare it is real, and all the spin that goes with it.
Kind regards
PS I know others far more worthy than this


My take on it is that they are idealists that honestly believe they have something that is wondrous for humanity and are doing all they can to get it out there including the spin. I agree with you that the videos and rhetoric make me roll my eyes and I am waiting for the next vid to have unicorns & rainbows.
However I don't think they are dishonest.
If you know others far more worthy lets promote the crap out of them :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: yfree on April 08, 2014, 06:38:08 AM
QEG is real.
This is a parametric oscillator (inductance is the parameter) oscillating at the ferro-resonance frequency of the core. This worked in 1934 when Mandelstam and Papalexi (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf) experimented with it (concentrate on the experimental part of the paper on page 123). The original paper can be found here (http://www.cheniere.org/references/RussianParametric.pdf). It will also work this time. The excess energy is coming from the iron nuclei in the core through acoustic NQR excitation.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 08, 2014, 08:52:17 AM
I was chatting with some of them yesterday in their Skype room. Nice people. I asked for some hard data and they promised next week so presumably at the conference. They certainly seem genuine. Will wait and see if they are deluded.
Dont bealeave any promises, because you not know what be after 5 minutes.  ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 08, 2014, 08:55:34 AM
Who can say, exciter coil only inpruwing free energy, but free energy is without it or without it this divice not generate free energy?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 08, 2014, 09:25:40 AM
Yfree,

Many thanks for the link to the research paper/article (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf).

Fascinating.

Page 123 of the original publication corresponds to page
43 of the .pdf.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 08, 2014, 11:13:48 AM
I feel this topic is moving in a positive result.   There are many people excited about it being possible.  Even if HopeGirls device does or doesn't work.  This force we are are creating is a positive one.  And it will create a positive result.  I am thankful for people who have earned my respect in the forum spending time commenting on this topic. 


It rings true even here that we are the 99%.  99% of the force behind all that is created and we WILL bring this into physical reality as well,  let us remember that and start adding our findings up and build a sum that pegs out at achievement of the goal.  I love that you all do not care about making "the money" on this.  Our hearts are in unison and is a goal worth all we can put into it.  I am proud to be part of this with you all. 


Richard Williams
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 08, 2014, 12:57:00 PM
I feel this topic is moving in a positive result.   There are many people excited about it being possible.  Even if HopeGirls device does or doesn't work.  This force we are are creating is a positive one.  And it will create a positive result.  I am thankful for people who have earned my respect in the forum spending time commenting on this topic. 

It rings true even here that we are the 99%.  99% of the force behind all that is created and we WILL bring this into physical reality as well,  let us remember that and start adding our findings up and build a sum that pegs out at achievement of the goal.  I love that you all do not care about making "the money" on this.  Our hearts are in unison and is a goal worth all we can put into it.  I am proud to be part of this with you all. 

Richard Williams


Nice sentiments and good intentions.  I see this at conferences and various other projects over the years. No amount of wishing, singing Kumbaya will make this a reality. Hard nosed science, being honest and less spin will. Every one was led up the garden path with the declaration that "free energy is now here". This is once again crying wolf and the damage is once again done by a lot of well meaning delusional people. 20,000 people downloaded plans for a device that does not work . However we here all the sales being made of components, the sending of donations and crowd funding.
I called their follya no go from day one back in November last year. The spin used was misleading and dishonest. These people have blown their credibility and all those associated with them. Shame , Shame, Shame, I know dozens of genuine inventors working. on similar projects who choose to work in privacy and only declare what they can repeat and support. they are the real hero's and always will be.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 08, 2014, 12:58:57 PM
markdansie

People have a tendency to Hope,even if theres no chance that this device will
 work,they may believe
they can fix the problems as they go along,thats why they ask for more money,
its funny and sad, as no amount of money can make this device work.
A friend who studies people and Hope,said to me, Hope is the most powerful force in the world
I think hes right.


Your friend is right and its the most profitable as well is sold right.
Kind Regards
PS I like your philosophy and intent
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 08, 2014, 01:02:56 PM
QEG is real.
This is a parametric oscillator (inductance is the parameter) oscillating at the ferro-resonance frequency of the core. This worked in 1934 when Mandelstam and Papalexi (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf) experimented with it (concentrate on the experimental part of the paper on page 123). The original paper can be found here (http://www.cheniere.org/references/RussianParametric.pdf). It will also work this time. The excess energy is coming from the iron nuclei in the core through acoustic NQR excitation.
i was reaching for the word to use. It evades me
Please supply the data to support your hypothesis
However I applaud your efforts and research and original thinking
Mark.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on April 08, 2014, 06:02:22 PM
scematic ...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 08, 2014, 10:05:11 PM

Nice sentiments and good intentions.  I see this at conferences and various other projects over the years. No amount of wishing, singing Kumbaya will make this a reality. Hard nosed science, being honest and less spin will. Every one was led up the garden path with the declaration that "free energy is now here". This is once again crying wolf and the damage is once again done by a lot of well meaning delusional people. 20,000 people downloaded plans for a device that does not work . However we here all the sales being made of components, the sending of donations and crowd funding.
I called their follya no go from day one back in November last year. The spin used was misleading and dishonest. These people have blown their credibility and all those associated with them. Shame , Shame, Shame, I know dozens of genuine inventors working. on similar projects who choose to work in privacy and only declare what they can repeat and support. they are the real hero's and always will be.
Kind Regards
Mark
Here's the thing that puzzles me - wtf are they seeing? Just listened to the interview. 4kw of continuous output?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 09, 2014, 01:23:59 AM
Looking at that schematic it looks like somebody saw a high voltage AC resonance signal at the output and got all excited.  The problem is that it doesn't represent power output!  Put a load on that and the resonant tank will empty.

But there is an engineer backing the project.  If the guy is real it's impossible for him to be fooled by that unless he is either a fraud or a beyond-stupid real engineer.

I am waiting for the tears!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7uC5m-IRns
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 09, 2014, 01:48:26 AM
The guy is an engineer, but he's not a normal "fraud" nor is he beyond-stupid, exactly. He's religiously motivated.

He had a dream or vision; the design and its operation are Channeled or Revealed to him by a Higher Power, so he knows it must be true. I'm not kidding, it's buried in their websites somewhere if they haven't removed it.

Maybe Timmy Thrapp hypnotized him.

WhateverGirl, I don't know about her. I've been watching old episodes of "48 Hours" so I'm ready to believe in all kinds of evil in the hearts of people.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 09, 2014, 01:57:28 AM
Timothy Thrapp must be having an erg-o-gasm!  He probably never got more publicity than this!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 09, 2014, 02:24:59 AM
Timothy Thrapp must be having an erg-o-gasm!  He probably never got more publicity than this!


From what I'm reading the Thrapp bloke is not involved anymore FWIW. Thanks for the explanation of what they might be seeing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: kajunkreations on April 09, 2014, 03:47:12 AM
This guy does have a few patents...not that they pertain to this...http://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/james_m_robitaille_1.html (http://patent.ipexl.com/inventor/james_m_robitaille_1.html)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 09, 2014, 05:51:57 AM
@Jimboot


Your info. on Tharpp is incorrect. Just last Wednesday his broadcast interview shows he's still managing the WITTS organization. (#189)  http://www.witts.ws/189/


At about 45 min. into the video, he gets into some details about the FTW QED.


I am more than convinced the Tharpp and FTW device is real and works. There will be confirmations soon.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: woopy on April 09, 2014, 11:27:09 PM
Hi all

I took the time to listen to the interview of James at peswiki , and i was puzzled by the fact that the power could come from the physical steel vibration (or resonance) so i made this small experiment.

http://youtu.be/mLK1VG8h2Wc

hope this helps

laurent
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 10, 2014, 01:34:43 AM
Woopy:

That looks like a "microphone" effect.  If there is even a small amount of remnant magnetic field in the core, then that means you have a "moving coil" and a magnet interacting like any other generator coil.

I know others have stated that this may make the magnetic domains in the core's metal lattice change orientation because of the mechanical/acoustic pressure waves in the core when you strike it.  That would also be similar to the above, but this time it would be more of a "moving magnet" and a coil interacting like any other generator coil.  I don't know anything about this effect though.

Perhaps it is the two effects combined.

A real challenge would be to measure the amount of electrical energy in Joules that you get out of the system when you strike it with the piece of stainless steel.  I am not asking you to pursue that, it's more of an intellectual challenge.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 10, 2014, 03:34:46 AM
Latest German replication https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKGSNFyfodY#t=91 still under unity
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 10, 2014, 03:44:10 AM
Hi Woopy and all,

believe it or not, yesterday I did the same test as you did Woopy. I have many MOTs already cut open, so it was an easy test to do.
I got the same result on the scope as you. Looks like a change in Inductance cause a voltage rise. So, at a fixed rpm and the right capacitance it should bring the tank circuit to resonance.

In a few days I'll make a video of my findings

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 10, 2014, 04:07:40 AM
You may or may not want to read this. I am not kind to HopeGirl in it. not because of the technology but promises made to others less fortunate and raising funds in their name


http://revolution-green.com/false-hopes-qeg-spin-doctors-go-quiet/


Kind Regards
mark




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 10, 2014, 04:29:40 AM
People have been bedazzled into buying into something that has never been proven.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 10, 2014, 04:34:04 AM
Heartfelt post Mark. Good questions to be asked. Typo in no.4 tho
4. If you did where is the evidence, the data and thrid party verification?[/font][/size]

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and here  Personnel Insight
BTW Their skype group is pretty active and I have posted your story in there... now I may get booted :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 10, 2014, 04:58:04 AM
Heartfelt post Mark. Good questions to be asked. Typo in no.4 tho
4. If you did where is the evidence, the data and thrid party verification?[/font][/size]

[/font][/size]
and here  Personnel Insight
BTW Their skype group is pretty active and I have posted your story in there... now I may get booted :)


Thanks Jim, I will fix the typo...I was pretty angry when I write it I will calm down and edit.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 10, 2014, 04:59:43 AM
Its the Keyboard I feel sorry for... ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 10, 2014, 05:05:50 AM
Mark D.,

Near the bottom of your False Hopes critique page (http://revolution-green.com/false-hopes-qeg-spin-doctors-go-quiet/)
you link to a video which is "one of the latest failed att[e]mpts."

The audio portion of the video has the characteristic sound
of QED resonance but no other amplifying detail about what
the video is supposed to represent.

Do you have knowledge about the video?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 10, 2014, 05:30:13 AM
 ;D Just a different way to 'ring' the bell  ;)

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 10, 2014, 05:47:21 AM
Mark D.,

Near the bottom of your False Hopes critique page (http://revolution-green.com/false-hopes-qeg-spin-doctors-go-quiet/)
you link to a video which is "one of the latest failed att[e]mpts."

The audio portion of the video has the characteristic sound
of QED resonance but no other amplifying detail about what
the video is supposed to represent.

Do you have knowledge about the video?
only what i read of the forums and it is under unity, as will be all the videos presented. resonance is about the most commonplace thing you will find in electronics. it is used in this case to baffle people with Bullshit.
Kind Regards

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 10, 2014, 01:42:06 PM
I think the video from Laurent at:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc

might be based on stimulated Barckhausen Noise magnetic domain flipping,
when he strikes the core with his other metal bar.

Interesting effect.

Laurent, what are the maximum peak voltages you can achieve this way and when you
load this coil with the same  output resistor value as the high turn coil has itsself
as its ohmic resistance, so Coilresistance = load resistance, what voltage will you get then
at the load resistor ?

Many thanks for showing this interesting effect.

Regards, Stefan.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on April 10, 2014, 01:44:46 PM
COOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLL DOCUMENTS ...

PLYZ TRANSLIATE ENGLIS ...

www.cheniere.org/references/RussianParametric.pdf
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 10, 2014, 01:55:04 PM
Gramme's anchor ring?
http://www.eti.kit.edu/english/1390.php
Look a little like the wimshurst, with collector but without brushes.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 10, 2014, 02:01:01 PM
I was just sent this, it might have been from the Skype room


" Apparently, things have gotten out of hand in this network and we have trolls and too many negative comments. To protect the integrity of this precious project for humanity I must leave this QEG Network room.  For those of you who are sincere, please watch for updated blogposts as this breakthrough rolls out. Thank you and blessings to all. -HopeGirl"


So the questions go unanswered?


Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: lechancel on April 10, 2014, 02:01:32 PM
found that.... hope it's help
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 02:22:19 PM
Mark D.,

Near the bottom of your False Hopes critique page (http://revolution-green.com/false-hopes-qeg-spin-doctors-go-quiet/)
you link to a video which is "one of the latest failed att[e]mpts."

The audio portion of the video has the characteristic sound
of QED resonance but no other amplifying detail about what
the video is supposed to represent.

Do you have knowledge about the video?

You are really funny. What is the "characteristic sound of QED resonance?" Oh... that's right, it's the sound in that video!


It sounds to me like a badly balanced rotating assembly is knocking itself to pieces, actually.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on April 10, 2014, 02:27:15 PM
TK and others, not trolling! If you not see good in QEG, then just go away.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: FreeEnergyInfo on April 10, 2014, 02:28:14 PM
found that.... hope it's help

THANKS THANKS THANKS THANKS ..................
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 02:36:17 PM
I was just sent this, it might have been from the Skype room


" Apparently, things have gotten out of hand in this network and we have trolls and too many negative comments. To protect the integrity of this precious project for humanity I must leave this QEG Network room.  For those of you who are sincere, please watch for updated blogposts as this breakthrough rolls out. Thank you and blessings to all. -HopeGirl"


So the questions go unanswered?


Mark
WhateverGirl cannot take the heat. When those Taiwanese finally conclude that they have been defrauded and start looking for her and her minions, she will already be long gone. Next stop Morocco, with the rest of the cultists hiding out there.

Take a really close look at this smug, cynical fraudster. She is laughing inside at all the people who are gullible enough to fund her world travel vacations.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 10, 2014, 02:39:56 PM
I was just sent this, it might have been from the Skype room


" Apparently, things have gotten out of hand in this network and we have trolls and too many negative comments. To protect the integrity of this precious project for humanity I must leave this QEG Network room.  For those of you who are sincere, please watch for updated blogposts as this breakthrough rolls out. Thank you and blessings to all. -HopeGirl"


So the questions go unanswered?


Mark
Hi Mark - that was me - yeah I unleashed a little sh-tstorm I'm afraid. I posted a link to your post and it brought out a number of comments that basically agreed with you. I didn't see anything too negative but we were collectively labelled as trolls because we were off topic as the group was to discuss replications. A bit strong I thought as I have said from day one Hope & her family seem genuine whether they have something or not. I have asked several times in the group about real data and have been told to wait for next week. Which is fine by me.
Some have said they know it works and when I asked how, they said they have faith. Good for them. 
For my part I have been trying to reconcile what seem like good people with your own and Tinselheads comments (love that name now). How could seemingly honest people be so wrong as you guys stated. It kind of feels a bit amwayish now.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 02:49:39 PM
Amwayish. That's an understatement. More like Heaven's-Gate-ish, or Jonestown-ish, if you ask me.

Good people? Well, perhaps some of them are, believing themselves to be promoting a Revealed source of information, a religious fanatic sort of "goodness". But certainly others of them are simply cynical manipulators and fraudsters.

"Tinselhead"? Not many people know my full name, TinselHead Arbuthnot Jaspers Koala the Third. But there's no need to stand on formality, you can just call me TK. But not in the TKapanadze threads, please.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 10, 2014, 02:51:56 PM
Amwayish. That's an understatement. More like Heaven's-Gate-ish, or Jonestown-ish, if you ask me.

Good people? Well, perhaps some of them are, believing themselves to be promoting a Revealed source of information, a religious fanatic sort of "goodness". But certainly others of them are simply cynical manipulators and fraudsters.

"Tinselhead"? Not many people know my full name, TinselHead Arbuthnot Jaspers Koala the Third. But there's no need to stand on formality, you can just call me TK. But not in the TKapanadze threads, please.
Man that made me laugh -
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: woopy on April 10, 2014, 03:06:56 PM
Hi Luc

Happy that you got also the effect.

I will follow what you can do with this


Hi Stefan

The max voltage i could obtain with the cut (dismantled) MOT, is arround 10 volts. But this experiment is only made to check if we can get voltage from vibration of steel and /or rapidly modifying the inductance. And it seems it does.
But i don't think i can go much further with this setup. And probably a more complicated device, with rotating pieces should be engineered to get better results.

To all

just for info, a member of this forum  has PM me that i coul obtain up to 100 volts by tapping an old  big and not dismantled  MOT, with a steel bar.

Voila

laurent
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: DilJalaay on April 10, 2014, 03:09:01 PM
Ahhhh, so what will you say now guys....?


Free Energy April 2014 QEG Processed Core Arrives in Taiwan..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMndbX7PfuA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMndbX7PfuA)


Are they kidding...?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 03:39:29 PM
Ahhhh, so what will you say now guys....?


Free Energy April 2014 QEG Processed Core Arrives in Taiwan..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMndbX7PfuA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMndbX7PfuA)


Are they kidding...?

Are you kidding? That video is old news, it was uploaded on APRIL FOOL'S DAY, 1 April 2014, according to YouTube. There have been developments since then, involving that core, I think.....

 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: DilJalaay on April 10, 2014, 05:02:13 PM
ok, another kidding device...for you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dk0cN_U3TM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dk0cN_U3TM)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 05:40:13 PM
Uh-huh. Also published on April 1.  "Do the math...."

 :P


Note to all FE/OU claimants: There are better days to post your videos. Posting them on April Fool's Day.... not recommended if you want to be taken seriously from the outset.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on April 10, 2014, 05:58:26 PM
How do you mean 01-04?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwv_hos3qyI
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 10, 2014, 07:31:50 PM
How do you mean 01-04?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwv_hos3qyI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pwv_hos3qyI)

This is how:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dk0cN_U3TM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dk0cN_U3TM)

The video in the link that I replied to is not the same link you posted. But the farther back in time you go, the more you have to ask yourself.... what happened? Did the MIB successfully suppress him? Why are we still connected to the grid?

Thrapp demonstrated a "working" QEG in 2010, years ago. So .... ask the questions.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on April 10, 2014, 08:35:01 PM
The movie is the same, so the date is not always what it looks, when reloaded by some.


Forget about the date's!


Next is old, first tests, a 3-Ph driving shaft connected to a Single phase, with exciter: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AkApUyOcEg
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ramset on April 10, 2014, 09:05:00 PM
Johan
Thanks for posting your "old" experiment.

It would seem you have achieved results that show OU?



Chet
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on April 11, 2014, 04:54:21 AM
only what i read of the forums and it is under unity, as will be all the videos presented. resonance is about the most commonplace thing you will find in electronics. it is used in this case to baffle people with Bullshit.
Kind Regards

Many who think they have things figured out are going to be eating some humble pie soon. The device does work. Those who think Jim just got off the turnip truck and does not understand the simple basics of power in, and and power out, are sadly mistaken.

The laws of conservation of energy concerning electromagnetic induction are flawed and I will explain exactly why. I spent many years trying to get some free energy out of permanent magnets, and while I was never successful, I did come to understand that the scientific community has misunderstood/misrepresented electromagnetic induction from day one.

The torque/energy etc. applied to a generator shaft is not the electrical energy/torque that comes out of the generator. It appears to be, but it is a 'sleight of hand' if you will. The electrical current coming out of a generator has absolutely nothing to do with the torque applied to the generator shaft. The electrical output comes out of the supplied field which never runs down, and never runs out. The torque supplied to the generator literally 'goes out the window' due to the struggle between the supplied field and the induced field. Back emf has hypnotized people into thinking that the energy going into a generator is the energy coming out of the generator. This thinking is nonsense.

Electrical energy has never been conserved, it comes out of the supplied field over and over again, and it will continue to do so throughout eternity. The fact that we have always had to do a very relative amount of work to induce an electrical output is not relevant to the creation, or the transformation, of electrical energy that is taking place in the conventional generator.

There has never been conservation of energy in our generators and alternators. The supplied field, be it permanent or electromagnetic, pumps it out nonstop. There has always been an endless supply of electrical energy available. Unfortunately, it has always has required a relative amount of work to convert the supplied magnetic energy to electrical current output, because of the back emf encountered in the process. Find a way to get around the back emf and you have an endless supply of free energy. The QEG does not have any back emf, that is why it is able to produce FREE ENERGY! There is plenty of it around, there always has been......

P.S. If you would like to see an extraordinary display of 'supernatural energy' visit http://revelation12.ca You will be absolutely amazed at what is taking place before our very eyes!!!

.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jdsanders on April 11, 2014, 05:20:08 AM
This sounds like it's straight out of Tom Bearden's book.  Just sayin'....   8)

The electrical current coming out of a generator has absolutely nothing to do with the torque applied to the generator shaft. The electrical output comes out of the supplied field which never runs down, and never runs out. The torque supplied to the generator literally 'goes out the window' due to the struggle between the supplied field and the induced field. Back emf has hypnotized people into thinking that the energy going into a generator is the energy coming out of the generator. This thinking is nonsense.

Electrical energy has never been conserved, it comes out of the supplied field over and over again, and it will continue to do so throughout eternity. The fact that we have always had to do a very relative amount of work to induce an electrical output is not relevant to the creation, or the transformation, of electrical energy that is taking place in the conventional generator.

There has never been conservation of energy in our generators and alternators. The supplied field, be it permanent or electromagnetic, pumps it out nonstop. There has always been an endless supply of electrical energy available. Unfortunately, it has always has required a relative amount of work to convert the supplied magnetic energy to electrical current output, because of the back emf encountered in the process. Find a way to get around the back emf and you have an endless supply of free energy.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on April 11, 2014, 05:20:15 AM
If you look closely the WITTS Demo by T. Thrapp shows, that the motor does NOT slow down
when the screws in the bulbs... at minute 7:30
This is the best evidence for a fake...the motor speed
should change !

Regards, Stefan.

Not so fast Stefan, no back emf, no slow down.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on April 11, 2014, 05:28:16 AM
This sounds like it's straight out of Tom Bearden's book.  Just sayin'....   8)

Perhaps it is, I have never read much of Tom Bearden's material but he probably got it from me through Bill Muller in Penticton BC. Back in the early 80's I was working with Bill Muller building stationary armature generators that were the forerunners to Bill's efforts to drive the rotor with the induction coils. Bearden and Bill became friends after I left the venture.

Bill and I ordered four of John Ecklin's cores at that time and were experimenting with them when I had an idea to mount them all together and stagger the frames to eliminate the static losses on the iron rotors. The Ecklin core/rotor setup of course, is similar to the QEG. We never had any success with Johns design, but we only utilized a minimal amount of windings and never had any notions of mechanical resonance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on April 11, 2014, 05:41:48 AM
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 11, 2014, 05:47:27 AM
Imagine you had a setup with a handle connected to a gearbox so you could crank it with your arms.  The output of the gearbox drives a generator connected to a 100-watt light bulb.  When the light bulb starts to light up you will feel the extra mechanical power you have to supply with your bare arms.  It's actually almost shocking to see how much torque you have to apply as the light bulb gets brighter.  That's the way it works.

The way these stories are so far fetched sometimes it's incredible, except it really happens.  I read the snippets of the guy talking about running his 90-minute test supposedly driving 4 kilowatts.  In 10 sentences or less he could have described how he took the raw output from the QED and then used a transformer to drive a load.  What transformer?  What load?  So you interview the 'tech' guy and he has noting substantive to say at all about the output section and the load and his test and his voltages?  ha ha ha

And just as shocking all of the 'replicators' are probably not talking about this either.  The "500 watt load 1000 watts in" clip looks like somebody just playing with coils and discovering them for the first time.  At least from the glimpses that I saw.

You almost have to be 'crazy' to promote this thing and never once having tried to produce a useful output.  Is the output high frequency or is it 400 Hz, I think I read both.  If it is 400 Hz then there must be stuff available off-the-shelf because they use 400 Hz power in aviation.

It's a new Invasion of the Body Snatchers!  Mass hysteria!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Just..Sayin.. on April 11, 2014, 06:30:54 AM


See also the interview I had recently with the FTW people:
http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ (http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ)

Thanks for the interview Sterling it was very helpful to hear Jim discuss his background as well as the ins and outs of the device and his struggles with getting it to operate.  Absolutely no doubt in my mind that it works.

Would also like to add that I believe the Witts device also works. Just very backward/nonsensical thinking there. They should have open sourced a long time ago. There is no way in the world they ever needed 20 million to get into production. It is called tunnel vision, and it happens to the best.

I would like to encourage those with the talent to do so, to look at getting a motor or generator to do this without getting into mechanical resonance and an exotic toroid armature. I have a gut feeling it is not necessary. Induction/resonance without back emf should be possible at 60 cycle with capacitors and trick armature/winding/commutator configurations, utilizing an off the shelf motor or generator, DC or AC for that matter. Look at the YMNEE from Fuel Tech... and also others who have seem to have had success. People need to realize it is possible and start thinking about it and experimenting.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 11, 2014, 03:03:01 PM
Many who think they have things figured out are going to be eating some humble pie soon. The device does work. Those who think Jim just got off the turnip truck and does not understand the simple basics of power in, and and power out, are sadly mistaken.



One problem. You can not support any of these claims withany evidence, no more than I can prove the Easter Bunny is real. (he is he brings me eggs every year)
Here is a little fact. No matter what you believe the stark reality is you or no one else can show a single watt of overunity or excess energy. I have had the humble pie people telling me I will eat it for just on a decade now. I am getting so hungry. I am also happy to take a wager with you for an amount held in escrow. I will donate my winning to charity. So you up for it?


I respect your right to have an opinion and i know HopeGirl just loves people like you....just send the money honey.


Kind Regards
Me of Little Faith
Mark Dansie
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 11, 2014, 03:32:28 PM
Hi everyone,

as I have posted a few pages back, I've been testing the effects of the QEG.
It coincides (like woopy) I have also thought of using a MOT for its high Inductance coil to see if I can produce some of the effects claimed.
I can confirm that there is a real effects and I would strongly suggest to the naysayers to hold off on your critics as you may end up having to eat your words. Best to put your energy in experiments as this looks to have real potential.

I made a video demo of my setup so you can see that I'm not just talking. However, I did not feel comfortable to demonstrate the Resonance as my particular test setup may not be able to handle such vibrations. When it first happened it scared me and I quickly pulled the plug as my 100 pound safety box was vibrating like a jackhammer.

Of course I'll be doing more tests but I thought to share my test rig and basic findings.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE)

Stay tuned for more

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Paul-R on April 11, 2014, 03:54:12 PM
Imagine you had a setup with a handle connected to a gearbox so you could crank it with your arms.  The output of the gearbox drives a generator connected to a 100-watt light bulb.  When the light bulb starts to light up you will feel the extra mechanical power you have to supply with your bare arms.  It's actually almost shocking to see how much torque you have to apply as the light bulb gets brighter.  That's the way it works.


This is quite true if, and only if, energy is not being introduced into the system from an exsternal source which is known (solar panels) or not well known (quantum foam etc).

This drills a hole in the bottom of your boat, Milehigh.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: energy1234hope on April 11, 2014, 04:00:08 PM
Well done luc appreciate everything you do and you are the only gentleman left on this site, that seems to be taken over by people who think they know everything. anyway all the best of luck with your experiments.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Eligos on April 11, 2014, 04:01:16 PM
Excellent Luc, great test. Please keep it coming!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vince on April 11, 2014, 04:04:41 PM
Great test Luc!

The question I have is, does the drive motor experience any greater load when you reach resonance points or when the secondaries see a load. I realize that you have not run the unit long enough to see any power output but it will be interesting to see if the drive motor sees a greater power demand as in conventional generators under load.

Keep up the great work!

Vince


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 11, 2014, 04:55:02 PM
This is quite true if, and only if, energy is not being introduced into the system from an exsternal source which is known (solar panels) or not well known (quantum foam etc).

This drills a hole in the bottom of your boat, Milehigh.

"IF" perhaps, but not "only if".

If the generator is already producing its full possible output, and you simply make some of that output visible by making it light up some lights, would you still expect the generator to change speed or require a different amount of drive power?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 11, 2014, 05:45:37 PM
Hi everyone,

as I have posted a few pages back, I've been testing the effects of the QEG.
It coincides (like woopy) I have also thought of using a MOT for its high Inductance coil to see if I can produce some of the effects claimed.
I can confirm that there is a real effects and I would strongly suggest to the naysayers to hold off on your critics as you may end up having to eat your words. Best to put your energy in experiments as this looks to have real potential.

I made a video demo of my setup so you can see that I'm not just talking. However, I did not feel comfortable to demonstrate the Resonance as my particular test setup may not be able to handle such vibrations. When it first happened it scared me and I quickly pulled the plug as my 100 pound safety box was vibrating like a jackhammer.

Of course I'll be doing more tests but I thought to share my test rig and basic findings.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE)

Stay tuned for more

Luc


 You need to have an output on these devices! You can not run this device without a load. The load is designed to not let a buildup of too much pressure. This is the shaking you are seeing. It is building up more energy then it can dissipate and then leaks to other effects like shaking. It's like blocking certain type of pumps. They will explode if they have no output release. Most have a safety release just in case of a short or block occurs. DO NOT RUN THESE TYPE OF SYSTEMS WITHOUT A RELEASE OR OUTPUT!

 The output has to be isolated from direct shorts. On way is to have an isolation transformer to protect from load shorting. Transformers are one way to isolate a load from source but even spark gaps and the likes also do this. So the choices are many.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 11, 2014, 06:00:22 PM
Luk - great idea!


Finally someone who wants to take a step of faith.


There can be no progress by sitting back and throwing stones.


I just have to say Luk, what is going to happen is that once you get some more power running through your coils and transformer cores become more magnetized momentarily during each cycle it is going to start grabbing harder and this is where all the incredible vibration you spoke of must be coming from considering the tremendous torque of that motor you are using. If don't keep the power levels exactly the same in each core they may start touching down and it will be like disc breaks. I can see why it might get quite frightening. For safety sake I would not necessarily recommend pushing this particular design much further.


I was thinking about something Timothy mentioned... there was no fly wheel and the relatively small rotor was coupled via a belt.


I believe his configuration was chosen for that very reason, to provide give to the grab.


The belt provides additional "capacitance" due to its elasticity.


This results in a physical energy store and release cycle between the belt and drive motor that will have its own resonate points.


So they have two energy store and release systems each with their own resonant points.


I believe the trick is to synchronize the two resonant systems to feed back on each other.


Food for thought.


Thanks!





Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 11, 2014, 06:28:51 PM
Awesome work Luc!   Do you think having only 2 cores may add to the vibration?   Maybe 4 or more will smooth out the effect although I realize with your setup that would be difficult to do.   Might be a thought to get some heavy concrete blocks to put on top of and around your box (fairly cheap from the big hardware stores).   Thanks for confirming there is something of real interest here!   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 11, 2014, 06:39:33 PM
Awesome work Luc!   Do you think having only 2 cores may add to the vibration?   Maybe 4 or more will smooth out the effect although I realize with your setup that would be difficult to do.   Might be a thought to get some heavy concrete blocks to put on top of and around your box (fairly cheap from the big hardware stores).   Thanks for confirming there is something of real interest here!


 Yup that could be it as well. Another half of the system that could be used to balance the system is missing in your experiment Luc. Good call e2matrix...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mikestocks2006 on April 11, 2014, 07:19:10 PM
We've created an open source hub for this project at http://QEG.builders (http://qeg.builders/) which forwards to PESWiki

Feel free to join in. PESWiki is a publicly editable site.

See also the interview I had recently with the FTW people: http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ (http://youtu.be/RJKE5DJRMFQ)
 
 According to the video:
At about 400Hz, it is fairly stable, and the power output is 9:1 !!!
 
And yet they have not self looped it yet?
 
Shouldn’t they get a 400 Hz to 60Hz 120 V converter, or rectify to dc and invert it 120v 60Hz? (to power the drive motor)
They must have spent many thousands on the core, equipment, and other components not to mention international travel costs and time, so few extra bucks for the ultimate proof of design and performance should be of high priority.
 
Hopefully they will do it soon.
Thanks for posting.
Mike
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 11, 2014, 08:50:19 PM
Hi everyone,

as I have posted a few pages back, I've been testing the effects of the QEG.
It coincides (like woopy) I have also thought of using a MOT for its high Inductance coil to see if I can produce some of the effects claimed.
I can confirm that there is a real effects and I would strongly suggest to the naysayers to hold off on your critics as you may end up having to eat your words. Best to put your energy in experiments as this looks to have real potential.

I made a video demo of my setup so you can see that I'm not just talking. However, I did not feel comfortable to demonstrate the Resonance as my particular test setup may not be able to handle such vibrations. When it first happened it scared me and I quickly pulled the plug as my 100 pound safety box was vibrating like a jackhammer.

Of course I'll be doing more tests but I thought to share my test rig and basic findings.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLiZDQxywqE)

Stay tuned for more

Luc


Great job Luc. Looking forward to more of your sensible and 'walk the talk' analysis and results. Many people here can and should learn from you. There are too many know it all people who writes crap most of the time.
I know Tim Trapp is real about his faith and knows what he knows but his business sense may not be as sharp as his technical knowledge.


ChrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 11, 2014, 08:54:12 PM
  According to the video:
At about 400Hz, it is fairly stable, and the power output is 9:1 !!!
 
And yet they have not self looped it yet?
 
Shouldn’t they get a 400 Hz to 60Hz 120 V converter, or rectify to dc and invert it 120v 60Hz? (to power the drive motor)
They must have spent many thousands on the core, equipment, and other components not to mention international travel costs and time, so few extra bucks for the ultimate proof of design and performance should be of high priority.
 
Hopefully they will do it soon.
Thanks for posting.
Mike



 I think they want to just get the basic idea proven first before saying it can be looped. This is an excellent way to get around all the anti overunity devices they employ. Once the cat is out of the bag then they now can say how to loop the system of provide the plans to do so. Just focusing on the basic design is enough now without bringing in all the other junk that comes from bringing out this kind of a device as an OU device. Make a strong foundation and nothing else can knock it off. Even if and when they want to loop it, it should hold to scrutiny. Thats a good strategy and the only one in my mind that works in this case.

 From what I am getting from the "Electric Universe" guys is that we are hitting a very large major change coming to our solar system. The Solar minimum is gonna get stalled for a very long time. Things are gonna get very weird around here. They are talking another Ice Age and very radical weather patterns as a norm. What we have been seeing is very indicative of the patterns we will see for over our lifetimes. Energy production better start coming for free if we are to get through this Solar event. All planets are seeing these changes in our solar system. This is inevitable.

 Ref: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MvAnECkaME
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 11, 2014, 10:14:09 PM
Look. Here's the logic behind self-looping with no outside power source.

Measurements made on many different FE devices indicate more power output than input. Great! We've all seen these devices in many different forms in many different YouTube videos, some more plausible than others. Not one _plausible_ and confirmed case of self-looping has happened, though. (I know some of you disagree with this; the problem of explaining Big Oil and Fracking is left to you folks then.)

So, many people believe that the measurements that indicated those big power outputs are somehow flawed. Especially since many of the claims are of such great powers that even the inefficiencies of standard generators or inverters would be easily overcome, to make a net excess power output.

There is one _sure_ measurement that can be made, though: Self-looping. If a "free energy" device produces a _claimed_ power output in excess of the simple losses in a generator or inverter.... but can't be made to self-loop, there is no doubt about it: the measurements of excess power are flawed and there just isn't any.
The electrical power output is weird in some way, longitudinal scalar vortex funnels or something? The mechanical power output is in the form of chaotic pendulum swings and chains of floats in mercury? No problem, really ..... making the input-output interface, even for such difficult forms of output, is "just engineering" and can be solved. IF, that is, there is really excess power in the first place.

In the QEG, whether from Thrapp or Robitaille..... there isn't. You won't see it self-looping, that's for sure, and you won't see any genuine sustained power output that's greater than the power input to the drive motor and "resonant" coils. You will, however, see a lot of money changing hands, and you'll see WhateverGirl and her minions getting a lot of free vacation time.

And here's the kicker: other than "self-looping", there is NOTHING about any of these devices that is contrary to well-known physics principles! That makes them uninteresting UNLESS they can be self-looped!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: woopy on April 12, 2014, 12:11:48 AM
Hi all

After getting some voltage by tapping the core of the MOT, i tried as GOTOLUC, to test  if the inductance switching can also create a stable voltage. And it seems to be the case.

Than i tried to shortcut the coil, and it seems that the prime mover does not draw more current under load??

Is this voltage creation Lenzless ??

http://youtu.be/IssMkABzWD0

voila

Laurent
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 12:27:45 AM
Post deleted by me.

See lower post for update.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 12:51:17 AM

 You need to have an output on these devices! You can not run this device without a load. The load is designed to not let a buildup of too much pressure. This is the shaking you are seeing. It is building up more energy then it can dissipate and then leaks to other effects like shaking. It's like blocking certain type of pumps. They will explode if they have no output release. Most have a safety release just in case of a short or block occurs. DO NOT RUN THESE TYPE OF SYSTEMS WITHOUT A RELEASE OR OUTPUT!

 The output has to be isolated from direct shorts. On way is to have an isolation transformer to protect from load shorting. Transformers are one way to isolate a load from source but even spark gaps and the likes also do this. So the choices are many.

I had 2 light bulbs as load.

The limitation with my simple test design is the rotor I cores hit the E cores when resonance kicks in. This causes a braking action.

I will have to come up with a new heavier design that the rotor will not flex under resonance.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 12:58:29 AM
Luk - great idea!


Finally someone who wants to take a step of faith.


There can be no progress by sitting back and throwing stones.


I just have to say Luk, what is going to happen is that once you get some more power running through your coils and transformer cores become more magnetized momentarily during each cycle it is going to start grabbing harder and this is where all the incredible vibration you spoke of must be coming from considering the tremendous torque of that motor you are using. If don't keep the power levels exactly the same in each core they may start touching down and it will be like disc breaks. I can see why it might get quite frightening. For safety sake I would not necessarily recommend pushing this particular design much further.


I was thinking about something Timothy mentioned... there was no fly wheel and the relatively small rotor was coupled via a belt.


I believe his configuration was chosen for that very reason, to provide give to the grab.


The belt provides additional "capacitance" due to its elasticity.


This results in a physical energy store and release cycle between the belt and drive motor that will have its own resonate points.


So they have two energy store and release systems each with their own resonant points.


I believe the trick is to synchronize the two resonant systems to feed back on each other.


Food for thought.


Thanks!

Hi shinz62,

You are correct!  my design becomes a disk brake at Resonance.

I like your understanding of the possible use and work of the belt. I'll incorporate it in the next design.

Thanks for sharing

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 01:05:50 AM
Awesome work Luc!   Do you think having only 2 cores may add to the vibration?   Maybe 4 or more will smooth out the effect although I realize with your setup that would be difficult to do.   Might be a thought to get some heavy concrete blocks to put on top of and around your box (fairly cheap from the big hardware stores).   Thanks for confirming there is something of real interest here!

Hi e2matrix,

it could very well be that I'm only getting half the effect with my simple test setup. I wasn't expecting to see this much results. The next build will be more complete and not have a disk rotor. I just needed to confirm a few things before going high end.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 01:16:22 AM
Hi everyone,

I was out most of the day but had a chance to further test and video what happens when it hits resonance.

Please note, once I finished this test video the two rotor set screws had worked them self loose with the powerful vibrations.

I don't think I can go any further with this tests device as my design was mostly to confirm the effect Inductance parametric change have and confirm the effects that have been shared. My design becomes a disk brake at Resonance because the powerful vibrations flexes the rotor and the cores rub together, so I can't confirm how it affect the prime mover at Resonance.
I know that's the big question but I ask myself, why would it not be as they say since all the other effects are as shared.

Link to video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY)

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 12, 2014, 01:56:37 AM
Luc, Woopy,

You both have pretty impressive setups.  However, you have to start your investigation from the very beginning.

Your "E" cores and your "I" cores, did you check with a compass to see if there was any residual magnetization in them?  What is another way to check for any possible residual magnetization?  Perhaps you can come up with a better way.

Why should you check for this?

MileHigh

For Luc:  In your clip with the high voltage and the breaking effect I think I know what is going on, or at least I have a theory.  But perhaps that's better left for others to figure out.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 12, 2014, 01:59:27 AM
Hi everyone,

I was out most of the day but had a chance to further test and video what happens when it hits resonance.

Please note, once I finished this test video the two rotor set screws had worked them self loose with the powerful vibrations.

I don't think I can go any further with this tests device as my design was mostly to confirm the effect Inductance parametric change have and confirm the effects that have been shared. My design becomes a disk brake at Resonance because the powerful vibrations flexes the rotor and the cores rub together, so I can't confirm how it affect the prime mover at Resonance.
I know that's the big question but I ask myself, why would it not be as they say since all the other effects are as shared.

Link to video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY)

Luc

Hey Luc

You are a MAD MAN!!    ;D    Great build. ;)    I think the movie was "Seven"    "Whats in the booox?"  ;) just kidding. Looked at your previous vid after this one.

So the output is just from the rotation of the top(removed from ecore) passing the larger part of the transformer at a particular freq(speed)?  Could there be some residual magnetism in the core?

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 12, 2014, 02:12:40 AM
Hi everyone,

I was out most of the day but had a chance to further test and video what happens when it hits resonance.

Please note, once I finished this test video the two rotor set screws had worked them self loose with the powerful vibrations.

I don't think I can go any further with this tests device as my design was mostly to confirm the effect Inductance parametric change have and confirm the effects that have been shared. My design becomes a disk brake at Resonance because the powerful vibrations flexes the rotor and the cores rub together, so I can't confirm how it affect the prime mover at Resonance.
I know that's the big question but I ask myself, why would it not be as they say since all the other effects are as shared.

Link to video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY)

Luc
That is amazing to see and hear Luc.   It leaves a sense that it is a self reinforcing resonance that is feeding itself ....  EXACTLY what I think is needed for a free energy device to function.   It's tapping energy from somewhere and having seen Professor Steven Jones video investigation into the QEG with a simple iron bar and an old Tesla secondary coil it seems there are some effects being noticed that could be very important to free energy.   Maybe something known in the past but overlooked until recent events have refocused attention on this effect.    Thanks for another "WOW" demo  ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 12, 2014, 02:17:10 AM
Hi everyone,

I was out most of the day but had a chance to further test and video what happens when it hits resonance.

Please note, once I finished this test video the two rotor set screws had worked them self loose with the powerful vibrations.

I don't think I can go any further with this tests device as my design was mostly to confirm the effect Inductance parametric change have and confirm the effects that have been shared. My design becomes a disk brake at Resonance because the powerful vibrations flexes the rotor and the cores rub together, so I can't confirm how it affect the prime mover at Resonance.
I know that's the big question but I ask myself, why would it not be as they say since all the other effects are as shared.

Link to video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_CN6aE2meY)

Luc
Fascinating video Luc thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 12, 2014, 04:48:54 AM
Luc, Woopy,

You both have pretty impressive setups.  However, you have to start your investigation from the very beginning.

Your "E" cores and your "I" cores, did you check with a compass to see if there was any residual magnetization in them?  What is another way to check for any possible residual magnetization?  Perhaps you can come up with a better way.

Why should you check for this?

MileHigh

For Luc:  In your clip with the high voltage and the breaking effect I think I know what is going on, or at least I have a theory.  But perhaps that's better left for others to figure out.


 Residual magnetism from what exactly? That is transformer steel you know a mot? residual magnetism pchhha.. Keep reaching there....


 As for the comment I have a theory but that is left for others to figure out? Hmmm... Shall we say You have no theory... Why would you need a theory if this has already been explained by your science? Why not reach into the golden book of "Facts" and show us what ya got?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: yfree on April 12, 2014, 04:57:13 AM
Luc,
Excellent work!
To make the oscillating system more stable at resonance, you may try to connect a few incandescent bulbs in series with the capacitor in similarity to Fig.62 in this paper (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf).
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 12, 2014, 04:57:14 AM
......  at least I have a theory.  But perhaps that's better left for others to figure out.


Best to leave your theory or whatever you think you understand behind.
Pay attention, don't write too much. Write only if it edifies and you know the stuff to make a difference.
Try to learn something instead of talking too much (crap).


cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 12, 2014, 05:21:41 AM
Jbignes5:

It's really sad when people that claim that they have open minds and want to explore act closed-minded and reject a suggestion to make a test to explore.  You actively don't want to check something?  Why would that be?  You are "sure" it's not there??  It makes no sense for you to say that.

What are your thoughts on the high voltage and the braking effect?  One more time you seem to be demonstrating hostility towards thinking, which is silly.  So feel free to put your thinking cap on if you want and share your thoughts.

ChrisC:

Leave my theory behind?  So does that mean that you too don't want to think and offer up your thoughts?

You allege that I write crap?  Please go ahead and tell me what you think is crap.

You two guys are open-minded Luddites.  Free energy neocons that don't like free thought unless it's your type of free thought.  Also, let's see what you two have to say in six weeks when we can assume perhaps a hundred or more enthusiastic groups have had time to build and test the real QEG.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 05:34:50 AM
Luc,
Excellent work!
To make the oscillating system more stable at resonance, you may try to connect a few incandescent bulbs in series with the capacitor in similarity to Fig.62 in this paper (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf).

Thanks, I'll give it some consideration but somehow I think the bulbs in series on the tank circuit may prevent the resonance effect. Also, to be safe and allow the high voltage to go through it would require more bulbs in series then I have available.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 12, 2014, 05:41:43 AM
Milehigh
we all know where this is heading, as it has 100 times before in this and many other forums.  Logic, science and just plain common sense becomes heresy. I already have the hate mail, threats lol. But the "we will show you brigade" goes very quiet until the next scam comes along.
That is why I like people like Russ Gries. He gets in, tests the claim and calls it as it is not what he wants it to be.
Sadly even at universities some researchers selectively select tests and data that supports their belief rather than take into account all results and data.
So I just chill out, get a few laughs and let people paint themselves in a corner. i then enjoy the silence that always follows. As far as people wanting to experiment, I applaud and encourage you, just cut out the BS.


Speaking of Silence: ""Apparently, things have gotten out of hand in this network and we have trolls and too many negative comments. To protect the integrity of this precious project for humanity I must leave this QEG Network room. For those of you who are sincere, please watch for updated blogposts as this breakthrough rolls out. Thank you and blessings to all." -HopeGirl

The spin doctor has spoken.  The heads are in the sand

Kind Regards
Mark

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 12, 2014, 06:03:06 AM
Jbignes5:

It's really sad when people that claim that they have open minds and want to explore act closed-minded and reject a suggestion to make a test to explore.  You actively don't want to check something?  Why would that be?  You are "sure" it's not there??  It makes no sense for you to say that.

What are your thoughts on the high voltage and the braking effect?  One more time you seem to be demonstrating hostility towards thinking, which is silly.  So feel free to put your thinking cap on if you want and share your thoughts.

ChrisC:

Leave my theory behind?  So does that mean that you too don't want to think and offer up your thoughts?

You allege that I write crap?  Please go ahead and tell me what you think is crap.

You two guys are open-minded Luddites.  Free energy neocons that don't like free thought unless it's your type of free thought.  Also, let's see what you two have to say in six weeks when we can assume perhaps a hundred or more enthusiastic groups have had time to build and test the real QEG.

MileHigh

This is from the home page of this site....

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These words above, from the home page, are why these guys are here. They dont think like you, and apparently dont want to. In case you have not noticed. ::)


From MH's post above....  "You two guys are open-minded Luddites.  Free energy neocons that don't like free thought unless it's your type of free thought. "


Mh, your supposed "free thought" comes from books that dont encourage or engage in the idea that free energy is possible.  That is not free thought. That is called being programmed. Nothing free thought about it. All nice and tight in a little box. ;)

Just like the quote from you above, you belittle people here with name calling. That is why these guys respond to you the way they do, period.  ;)   They know where you are coming from. ;) You never encourage the possibility of free energy. You only degrade it.

Soo, you will get responses such as you are replying to in your post I quoted above. Pretty simple really. ;) Do you think that name calling will change their minds even a smidgin? Like a good spanking?  ::)   Its the wrong approach if you are to get anywhere with your agenda of 'free energy is impossible'. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: yfree on April 12, 2014, 06:04:55 AM
Thanks, I'll give it some consideration but somehow I think the bulbs in series on the tank circuit may prevent the resonance effect. Also, to be safe and allow the high voltage to go through it would require more bulbs in series then I have available.

Luc


The bulbs in series will not prevent the resonance, they will rather limit the current at resonance.
The first thing is to get stable resonance.
Then, the resonance has to be moved to appropriate frequency...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 12, 2014, 06:31:27 AM

 Residual magnetism from what exactly? That is transformer steel you know a mot? residual magnetism pchhha.. Keep reaching there....


 As for the comment I have a theory but that is left for others to figure out? Hmmm... Shall we say You have no theory... Why would you need a theory if this has already been explained by your science? Why not reach into the golden book of "Facts" and show us what ya got?

I had stated this about possible residual magnetism in the core earlier today.  Its not impossible that there is possibly a bit of it in the core.  When that primary gets hit with ac current when the microwave oven begins to cook something, it is possible that when the cooking is finished, the ac input could have been at a high note(peak), leaving some magnetism in the core. Just thoughts of possibility.  We cant just assume there is simply none, never was and never will be, can we? ;) We have to eliminate, by checking all possibilities. ;)   Im not saying there absolutely is. But if we dont check, we may never figure out the whats and whys of it all.  I would have to agree with checking that possibility.

Ever used a degausing coil on and old tv picture tube screen? It takes a few swipes to demagnetize the iron screen behind the glass.  Try unplugging the coil a few times while its in front of the screen.  One time you unplug it the screen may look ok, and another time it will be possibly way off.  It will depend when in the wave of the ac current that it is disconnected as to if the screen is magnetized or demagnetized.
 lol  I was a bad kid. I loved playing with magnets on the family color tv.  But, I eventually found ways of using that same magnet by swiping it(many times and many ways) to get things looking pretty good again.

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 12, 2014, 07:50:57 AM
Hey guys,
If there is no residual magnetism in the cores any other theories why the May be happening. Btwt I hit my in tact mot with a hammer and got nuttin :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 12, 2014, 08:05:30 AM
Mark:

Thanks for your comments.  As you can see, even the suggestion of a test that might somehow affect the agenda of what Gotoluc and Woopy's tests are all about is rejected by some.  Even if it makes perfect sense it is rejected in a disrespectful way.  Looking for an explanation of the phenomenon that Gotoluc and Woopy observe is rejected without wanting to even consider the merits of the test by some people.  I can only guess that it's perceived as something that may go against the wishful and idealized agenda of what the QEG is allegedly about.  That can't be permitted, or so they would like to think.  Meanwhile, some people might lose their shirts putting out the cash to just build the thing.  That's their choice, but at least some of them will want and have the right to consider and read differing opinions.

Quote
I already have the hate mail, threats lol

I admire your courage in the face of that.  One can assume that most of it is harmless.  However, one can never be sure and presume that they are all harmless.  That's why I will not reveal my name, like many other people around here.  I have received a lot of hate myself and I have at times been relentlessly bashed, demeaned, degraded and harassed.

If this whole project was launched after it had been tested and verified to work, then Hopegirl sure as hell should release the plans.  Instead, like you said, it's a new bandwagon.  Many people are already convinced that it's real.  Logic, science and just plain common sense becomes heresy indeed.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on April 12, 2014, 08:26:48 AM
I had 2 light bulbs as load.
The limitation with my simple test design is the rotor I cores hit the E cores when resonance kicks in. This causes a braking action.
I will have to come up with a new heavier design that the rotor will not flex under resonance.
Luc


Good steps, LUC!


Maybe a try: Bring the system first to resonance, slow the loads / lamps with a rheostat to it, The lamp for lamp connecting, look his Timothy's movie again!?


Please, be very carefully with those unbalanced weight at those revolutions!!!!!!


-----


Saver experiment is: Single-phase motor, a MOT with flux-bridge to the secondary as exciter with spark & C, primary for load but again in steps loading!



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: nilrehob on April 12, 2014, 09:19:09 AM
Im not so sure its the change in inductance that generates the voltage, but rather that the moving iron is magnitized ever so slightly and then it builds up because of the resonance, just as when you use an async (no magnets) motor with caps as a generator?


/Hob
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 12, 2014, 09:34:40 AM
Hi shinz62,

You are correct!  my design becomes a disk brake at Resonance.

I like your understanding of the possible use and work of the belt. I'll incorporate it in the next design.

Thanks for sharing

Luc


Luc


Your welcome and thank you for sharing your very exciting results too!



Your video certainly does show dramatically how just flipping the inductance can generate a large AC output. Originally I had thought that the input current on the output coils had a major effect on generating the flux to drive the high impedance LC, but you have demonstrated that is not even necessary.


However, after seeing this latest video of yours it is now obvious to me that the magnetic force is incredible across the EI core so I doubt that this EI configuration can ever work to get free energy, it is too much like a conventional generators internal magnetic resistance.
 
The real trick is probably more about not requiring all the flux from the magnetic path that drives the output coil to cross between a moving rotor and the output coil, but rather providing an alternate path for the huge amount magnetic force from the flux that will be generated by the high inductance LC mains as they reach resonance.


In the QEG, the lion share of the flux will be able to stay in the torroidal outer core with the rotor merely providing a way to flip the inductance back and forth between high and low to keep driving the AC resonance. The belt may play an important part by providing a little bit of slack to prevent the magnetic grab on the rotor from directly impacting the motor speed and this only needs to give for an instant as the magnetic grab should only last a partial cycle considering the 400hz AC output. It probably grabs and releases multiple times as the rotor is in close proximity with the connecting points on the outer core but the ability for the belt to provide a stretch and rebound for each grab keeps the motor from feeling it full force.[size=78%] [/size]This could explain the noise and vibration of the QEG.


Then while the rotor is free the flux path has only one way to go, through the outer core, and not across the rotor thus providing an escape clause from lenz law entirely during this portion of the cycle.


And additionally, with the main outer core providing the main path for the flux while the rotor is in close proximity and merely a secondary path, any magnetic grab on the rotor will be greatly reduced, so says Flynn (https://www.google.com/search?q=flynn+parallel+path&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=a9tIU9uzAu_wyAHwmYHwCA&ved=0CCcQsAQ&biw=960&bih=499), and I have verified his ideas experimentally myself.


More food for thought.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ARMCORTEX on April 12, 2014, 10:07:28 AM
Gotoluc thx you for your efforts.

But  the QEG is made to be built with a toroidal core, and I believe the price of a correct replica was rather high mainly due to the exotic cores.

Im interrested in materials, but I'm waiting for robitaille to come up with a satisfying enough video.

Also, Piezo effect has me worried about the wires.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: nickec on April 12, 2014, 10:45:46 AM
Luc,
Excellent work!
To make the oscillating system more stable at resonance, you may try to connect a few incandescent bulbs in series with the capacitor in similarity to Fig.62 in this paper (http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Mandelstam_Papalexi/Mandelstam-Papalexi%20-%20Report%20on%20Recent%20Research%20on%20Nonlinear%20Oscillations%20-%201935.pdf).

Thank you very much for posting the link to the paper.

If the paper is searched for the word "rupture", two hits result.  Reading near these two sections I note similarities to Luc's experiment and his experience with destructive vibration.

I cannot vouch for the QEG.  My interest is in measurement of seemingly outlying phenomena with a view to explaining them.

The paper is interesting in that a machine is described wherein they claim: 

"The apparatus permitted production of the parametric excitation of rather powerful oscillations in the circuit shown in Figure 62, which has no current or voltage source."

Remarkable?  Nonsensical?  I find it difficult to decide.  Experiment seems required.

The apparatus uses a serrated aluminum disk - not an electrical steel laminated rotor like the QEG.

It is my opinion that investigation of these systems will lead to valuable learning whether they succeed as OU or not.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 12, 2014, 11:29:09 AM
http://revolution-green.com/hopegirl-spins-way-london/

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 12, 2014, 12:27:12 PM
I find it interesting woopys and  lucs experiments but this ftw story is growing smellier by the day.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 12, 2014, 12:45:43 PM
There is _always_ a current/voltage source when you are moving conductors and/or changing reluctance of blocks of metal.

Unless, that is, you are fully surrounded by a proper set of Helmholz coils to cancel out the Earth's geomagnetic field and any other sources of field distortion in your neighborhood.

Don't forget: you can magnetize iron rods, nails, etc. just by lining them up north/south and repeatedly striking them with a hammer or rock.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: nickec on April 12, 2014, 01:03:34 PM
There is _always_ a current/voltage source when you are moving conductors and/or changing reluctance of blocks of metal.

Unless, that is, you are fully surrounded by a proper set of Helmholz coils to cancel out the Earth's geomagnetic field and any other sources of field distortion in your neighborhood.

Don't forget: you can magnetize iron rods, nails, etc. just by lining them up north/south and repeatedly striking them with a hammer or rock.

I agree, though I wonder if Helmholz coils are enough to eliminate interaction with, insane though it may seem, "the rest of the universe".

If matter has an electrical component, as the consensus view insists, then moving matter always moves charge.  A crazy notion, I admit.

When I say "moving matter" I mean relative to other objects, i.e.:  I moved the cube closer to the disk.

When I say "crazy notion" I refer to the phrase "moving matter always moves charge" which could be rewritten as "changing the location of an object is an act that results in moving charge".

I regret any ambiguity my post contains and hope that it communicates something useful.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on April 12, 2014, 01:26:31 PM
about the varying inductance thing, I didn't watch Luc's video but I did watch Woopy's.

Umm, I can sit a transformer on the bench not connected to anything except the scope and get over 5 volts from the two FWBR's connected to it's outputs, it is induced by the house currents, however virtually no power can be utilized from it as the voltage just flat lines on loading. Showing these neat effects are all well and good but have their place and are next to useless.

How much power can the setup dissipate in a resister compared to the input power ? That's what it's all about isn't it ? Is it OU ? Can it be ? How ? These are the questions we must ask ourselves.

Does Hopegirl = Zilano after market research.  ;D She adds up the hopefuls does some sums and sees the dollar signs, maybe not.  ;)

I don't see why the hype considering she hasn't shown anything. But I'm not going to bad mouth her, the way I see it now I say good on her, very enterprising and I may do the same thing. Would be easy, get a new name and make some wacky plan, use a Tesla patent and make claims.  Perfect.

..

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 12, 2014, 02:18:33 PM

Does Hopegirl = Zilano after market research.  ;D She adds up the hopefuls does some sums and sees the dollar signs, maybe not.  ;)

I don't see why the hype considering she hasn't shown anything. But I'm not going to bad mouth her, the way I see it now I say good on her, very enterprising and I may do the same thing. Would be easy, get a new name and make some wacky plan, use a Tesla patent and make claims.  Perfect.

Very Enterprising indeed
And the fund raising/ here we go again, from the same Facebook entry “In full transparency I want everyone to know how important it was to me to present the QEG to all of you today. I spent 17 hours on a plane from Taiwan just to be here in person. I spent hours putting together the presentation. And not only was I not paid to speak, but I spent close to $4,000 of my own money to pay for my travel expenses, including an $835 required donation to the event manager for the privilege of getting up there to present to you. Why? Because IT IS THAT IMPORTANT TO ME TO GET THIS INFORMATION TO THE PEOPLE.:”[/font][/size]
So lets see the definition of her own money. (thanks to Doug for compiling this)  Crowd funding (Fix the World and QEG):[/font][/size]
Bring Hope to Australia and New Zealand ($5,290 of $5,000 goal) (gofundme.com (http://gofundme.com/))
Help Bring Energy and Hope to Morocco! ($8,062 of $6,460 goal) (gofundme.com (http://gofundme.com/))
Fix the World Hope For America Tour ($3,817 of $40,000 goal) (gofundme.com (http://gofundme.com/))
Fix the World Org. Help keep us Going! ($25,762 of $50,000 goal) (gofundme.com (http://gofundme.com/))
Angels in Boston * HopeGirl &amp; Fix The World Documentary ($2,556 of $2,500 goal) (indiegogo.com (http://indiegogo.com/))
December Soft Launch Administration Funding ($1,055 of $85,000 goal) (indiegogo.com (http://indiegogo.com/))
Peoples Fund Administrative Start Up Revised for 2014 ($1,009 of $10,000 goal) (indiegogo.com (http://indiegogo.com/))
HopeGirl: Fix The World Documentary ($4,781 of $26,990 goal) (indiegogo.com (http://indiegogo.com/))
Home Quantum Energy Generator ($18,064 of $7,610 goal) (indiegogo.com (http://indiegogo.com/))
Bring Quantum Generators to the World! ($29,421 of $20,000 goal) (gofundme.com (http://gofundme.com/))[/font][/size]
The above excludes direct donations and other sources we do not even know about.[/font][/size]
Kind Regards[/font][/size]
Mark[/font][/size]
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 12, 2014, 02:35:53 PM
Mark:

Well, I thought that she had taken in about $28,000.  She is taking advantage of a modern marketing trick.  It's easier in this day and age to design and manufacture many variations on the same theme.  You give consumers so much choice that you are bound to make a "hit" and make a sale.   Thirty years ago you might have a choice of three basic types of Crest toothpaste and only one version of Tylenol.  Try going into a pharmacy today and see how many types of Crest toothpaste and Tylenol there are.  It's ridiculous in a way, but you increase your revenue and that's all that counts.

So Hopegirl is casting a wide funding net indeed.  "She" is playing the new "market," crowd funding.  It's another very sobering aspect of the whole drama.  I still have a sneaking suspicion that this is just a few bright individuals that put their minds together and "manufactured" this whole scenario.  Crowd funding is the new frontier in easy money and you have to assume that some unscrupulous people are going to go after that revenue pie.  It could very well be a Yellow free energy pitch.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wattsup on April 12, 2014, 03:15:31 PM
@woopy

Try it with a capacitor across the coil and it will do like @gotolucs because the increase in the cap coil will simply produce an electromagnet that will then seize the rotor.

@Gotoluc

As usual your vids (and @woopys') are the standard of excellence always clear and concise.

Of course both of your tests are a type of analog to the QEG but not in the perfect sense where in your MOT usage your plane of passage in much thicker then the 4 passage points in the QEG. Also your coils are right on the receiving core whereas the QEG coils are further away I guess in a effort to pull away any energy production from the passage cores.

In your set-up, there are still many variables to try out. hehehe Always variables.

Some come to mind.

1) Put primary in series with secondary then to the bulbs to see if the primary polarity can be canceled by the secondary polarities if they were in series to eliminate the inductive force on the E core center. You would have to try in both connection modes.

2) Put primaries in series with the secondaries of the other MOT and try the same things.

3) Put pri to pri in series (try both ways) and put both secs in parallel.

4) etc. etc., there may be an unexpected effect there.

So any energy left in the system will produce an electromagnet and the proverbial drag that we see in standard motors is basically the same thing. Any energy increase in the coils, the metal core becomes an electromagnet that will seize the rotor. This will happen in your and in the QEG but in the QEG they put the coils further away, but this distance from the real change point (point of passage) will produce less output so you find yourself again in a situation of give and take. The only difference here is that the impress is a result of a rapid change in inductance and not the north/south passage of a field in a preset inductance. Basically what you have shown is that both actions create the same problem when done mechanically. I cannot say how much promise this would have.

The thing really boils down to effects and there are millions of ways to generate such effects but do they then deserve all the fanfare in terms of furthering development, maybe, but my gut tells me not. 1, 2, 3 years more on this and I cannot see where there could be enough of an advancement to make a clear difference in this outcome.

You see, any idea is always a potential build, potential effect, potential drawbacks, and more or less, potential dead ends, save the fact that any effect observed is a learning experience.

I prefer to do such exercises in my mind where I have enough experience now to draw on before undertaking a project. If it is not clear in the vision function I will not start. This is why, like you, I always do small effects testing. Each one adding to the next in learn mode.

The other problem I see with the QEG is the promise of replication and easy dissemination will not be that easy because the device requires special machining, materials, huge windings so the end cost would be extremely more expensive and therefore, for me, it is not what the world needs. It will be chock full of breakage problems and there is a limit to how much money one should spend to fight against normal phenomena. The QEG as it is now shown will also require years of R&D just to see how the best method of windings instead of that bloated bunch of windings I see right now. If they do not have a coil winding specialist in their midst, they risk wasting years just on that part of device.

Of course if the QEG intention is to attract investment into a device that may be considered in perpetual R&D, then it will attract perpetual funds and create financial OU for those involved. Wow, did I say that?

Now if this idea also tried to integrate some of the ideas @JackH (Jack Hildenbrand) brought forward in terms of mechanically diverting the lines of force during rotation, then maybe there is some promise but the QEG does not have anything in there along those lines. A group would be much better off following the JH or trying to find where his devices are now located (since his passing away) then to work on a QEG. Much more promise.

- Unrelated -

But your very nice I-Coreless MOTs (ICMs) have given me an unrelated idea if you ever go to that route. Ever consider putting two ICMs like you have, just one on top facing the other, that is, both MOTs held together via the primary sides. This would give you a dual MOT with two pris in center and two secs to play around with. hehehe   That would be even more promising I think in terms of havoc creation. It may be (MAY BE) possible to drive one primary, use the second primary as a return to source, then use both secs to drive a load. Of course the variables are many. This would be an avenue of R&D that I would consider as much more interesting and if shown any promise would be a very simple solution for many OU R&Ders.

I am busy with "TPU studies" so not really considering any more build distractions save the fun I have reading some of these threads. Always a treat.

Keep up the good work.

wattsup

PS: I will be opening a new thread on what I consider as being a new idea (many ideas, not many lives) I have that may be interesting for you and others to consider in small scale. hehehe






Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 12, 2014, 04:21:24 PM
Wattsup:

For Gotoluc and Woopy' test, there is no compelling need to start changing any variables for now.  The standard setups can generate good data.

The most basic test is to run the motor with the coils unloaded and observe the output voltage.  If you are concerned that the voltage may be very high, then start with the coil loaded with something like a 100-ohm resistor.  Then you can increase the value of the resistance and monitor the voltage.  The true goal is to observe the coil output with no load and see how much EMF is being generated.

Then check for residual magnetism.  If you find any residual magnetism in the cores then you want to undertake to completely demagnetize the cores and rerun the EMF generation test to see if there are any changes.  You probably want to demagnetize the cores anyways because you might not have a way to know how sensitive your residual magnetism test is.  So there could be residual magnetism in the cores and you might not be able to measure it.

Then there is another check with respect to the motor itself.  Is the motor emitting any stray magnetic fields while it runs that may interact with one or both cores?  If it does, that could be responsible for the EMF generation in the coils.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 05:05:28 PM
The below was poster by pmgriphone (http://www.energeticforum.com/members/pmgriphone.html) at EF topic

The rotor will vibrate because of the magnetic forces that build up in the core. Simulations show that a force does build up between rotor and core when flux moves through the rotor. These forces can become quite large and thus a sturdy build with tight tolerances is necessary.
 
 I have done quite a few simulations now analyzing the complete system with inductances, mutual inductances, resonances, etc. and here is what I find from the simulations:
 
 1. The system is started up by parametric excitation of the inductance of the primary coils. Quite a few links have been posted in this thread about parametric excitation, so if you wish know what that is all about, read some of those papers (a lot of them were written in the 1930s).
 
 2. Starting up the system is no magic. It can all be explained with normal electrical equations. Current noise (e.g. a pA in my simulations) in the coils will grow to about a few 100mA in the primary coils and the voltages associated with that run in the kV range. In my simulations I have seen voltages oscillate with magnitudes of 1kV to 20kV depending on system parameters that you set (inductances, modulation index of inductances, coil resistances, etc.). The capacitance sets the electrical resonance frequency. Tuning the system (electrically and mechanically), it is very easy to get high voltage spikes that can burn out the isolation on the coils (which is what happened in Taiwan). From my simulations, I find typical stable voltages for the primary coils around 2kV-5kV range. The secondary coils run at a factor Nsec/Nprim = 350/3100 = 0.113 lower than that, so in the couple of 100 volt range.
 
 3. The humming that was witnessed is most likely caused by the enormous flux densities in the transformer core and due to the fact that the core is laminated. A normal transformer also hums. Vibrations occur when the rotor closes in to the core or moves away from it AND a flux is going from core through rotor back to core.
 
 4. Parametric excitation can occur at multiple frequencies. Typically, the inductance is modulated at a frequency of 2v (v= Greek nu) while the electrical resonance is set at f = n*v/2 with n an integer. It is easiest to find a stable region when the electrical resonance is set at the smallest n number (n=1). In this particular case, the rotor runs at frequency v and the inductance is modulated at 4v, so the electrical resonance should be preferably set at 2v. In this case it appears the resonance starts occurring at a rotor speed of 1500rpm (about 25 Hz), so inductance is modulated at 100Hz. James indicates the output frequency is around 400Hz, which would mean he set the electrical frequency at a multiplier of n=8.
 
 5. The second set of coils is basically a copy of the first set of coils and they perform a similar role. I hope to discuss this in more detail later.
 
 I have attached a few figures that show how the high voltage develops in the primary coils. You have to pick the parameters right to get a steady state solution. It is very easy for the voltage to go out of bound (which would fry the coils due to high voltage arcing).
 
 The image QEG_StartUp.jpg shows how the resonance starts from 1pA of noise in the primary coils.
 
 The image QEG_Transient.jpg shows the transient behavior from startup to steady state. You can see the voltage initially overshoot to over 4kV, then settle down to about 2.8kV.
 
 The image QEG_SteadyState.jpg show the steady state in detail: as explained before the inductance is modulated at 4v (4x per rotation). The electrical resonance frequency is tuned to 2v with the capacitance. Both the voltage and current oscillate at 2v (50Hz). Note that the capacitance can be choosen so as to resonate at a higher harmonic (e.g. in James' case n=8).
 
 But now comes the questionable part of all of the above.
 
 The problem with parametric excitation is that it is very hard to get any kind of power out of the system without destroying the resonance condition. The energy in the primary system runs about a 2-3 joules. Energy for each of the elements is 1/2L*i*i for the coils, 1/2C*V*V for the capacitor and power loss is R*i*i in the coil resistance. All these translate to about 125W total in the coil and capacitor together and about 3W loss in the coil resistance.
 
 So the question now remains if it is possible to extract energy from this parametric system without destroying the resonance...
 
 For that I would like to know exactly how the bulbs are hooked up into the system and if the exciter is present or not when Taiwan tried to tune the QEG to resonance.
 
 Enjoy!  PmgR
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 05:16:12 PM
This is a post by john_g (http://www.energeticforum.com/members/john_g.html) of EF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b0xMElhN7c (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b0xMElhN7c)
 
 Note - I made a mistake at the end of the video, I should have said 300 to 400 Milli-volts, but I said micro-volts ops!
 
 I wonder what the effect of a tuning fork held onto the case would be?  Related, but I do not want to go off-topic

Link to EF topic:  Wesley Gary Magnetic Motor revisited (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/6384-wesley-gary-magnetic-motor-revisited.html#post253925)
 
 Regards
 
 John

Added by gotoluc:

Link to Patent: http://www.google.com/patents/US1909414

Link to patent Image: http://patentimages.storage.googleapis.com/pages/US1909414-0.png
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 12, 2014, 07:11:54 PM



 Luc you might want to get rid of the poles the way you have them. They are the source of the braking effect. Try a toroid instead. The pulling will be from every angle to each pole in the channel. This should get rid of the cogging and braking effect. If there is no poles the rotor channel will be pulled from all sides evenly and no cogging or breaking should happen. The channel will cause the diversion of the field in the core because it has less resistance in a half of the whole circle. Meaning the flux should go with the least resistance pathway. That should be the rotor channel.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: kajunkreations on April 12, 2014, 07:57:49 PM
   Hey Luc, Great test, the ability for resonance is there. As far as the " breaking effect", to me and this is just my observation, it does not sound like breaking as in rubbing or magnetic drag. It sound like the the vibration of resonance is just making the rotor slap the side of the the E core. The rotor comes to a complete stop and then starts up again. I think the rotor is flexing and slamming into the core.  Im sure you are already making your improvements to go on.
   Is there any evidence of the rotor hitting the edges of the E core? Anyway great experiment looking forward to more.

 Nolan

 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: albator10 on April 12, 2014, 08:51:27 PM
Please look this 1986 patent's of of John W. Ecklin.

We see the exact same rotor and stator than the QEG

And in this patent there is no external motor because John W. Ecklin combined both in the same design.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 12, 2014, 09:27:29 PM


 Except there is a coil on the rotor. And this was my suggestion.


 Actually the roots of any of these patents is this:  http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine


               and                                                        :  http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-445,207-electro-magnetic-motor




 There are a huge amount of these produced by Tesla and others.
 With the first example being the unit presented in sections. All of the sections can be built into the Exciter/Generator/Motor unit. EGM for short.


 Here is a quote of note in the first patent:


 "My present invention relates, chiefly, to the alternating-current system invented by me and described in prior patents, notably Nos. 381,968 and 382,280, of May 1, 1888, in which the motors or transformers, or generally the converters, are operated by a progressive shifting or movement of their magnetic poles produced by the co-operative action of independent magnetizing-coils through which pass alternating currents in proper order and direction. In my said system, as I have heretofore shown, I employed a generator of alternating currents in which there were independent induced or generating coils corresponding to the energizing-coils of the converter, and the relations of the generator and converters were generally such that the speed of rotation of the magnetic poles of the converter equaled that of the armature of the generator.To secure the greatest efficiency, it is necessary to run the machines at a high speed, and this is true not only of those generators and motors which are particularly adapted for use in my system, but of others. The practicability of running at very high speeds, however, particularly in the case of large generators, is limited by mechanical conditions, in seeking to avoid which I have devised various plans for operating the system under efficient conditions, although running the generator at a comparatively low rate of speed.
My present invention consists of another way of accomplishing this result, which in certain respects presents many advantages. According to the invention, in lieu of driving the armature of the generator at a high rate of speed, I produce a rotation of the magnetic poles of one element of the generator and drive the other at a different speed, by which similar results are obtained to those secured by a rapid rotation of one of the elements."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gyulasun on April 12, 2014, 10:18:54 PM
Hi Luc,

When I played with normal off-the-shelf mains transformers (with laminated core) by tuning their primary coil to (my mains) 50Hz frequency with some capacitors, I found very similar behaviour: very near to 50Hz the transformer started to buzz up very loudly and snapped through resonance and then started it again. It was impossible to tune to exactly resonate the primary and to manage I had to decrease the input AC voltage to about 20-30V from the 200V-220V with a variac to get a more or less stabil resonance. Any attempt to increase input voltage to the transformer detuned the primary coil and I had to retune it with the capacitor bank.

The explanation was that near or at the resonance frequency, the AC current in the LC tank circuit increased so high (several Ampers, maybe over 10A peak) that I do think the core went into saturation, hence the primary coil inductance changed to a lower value, effectively detuning the L from the vicinity of 50Hz to a higher frequency. When I reduced input AC voltage amplitude, the primary had a much less excitating current when it reached near or at resonance so the circulating AC current in the tank remained "workable" and "acceptable" for the core and it did not saturate. (Notice that a mains transformer designed for 200VA or so power level cannot readily handle several ampers of primary current without pushing the core's magnetic operation point on the B-H curve towards the saturation area.)

I think  the same happens in your setup: near or at resonance the AC current becomes so high in the LC tank (i.e. in the HV coils of the MOTs) that the cores of the MOTs get saturated, thus effectively changing the inductance value of the two HV coils of the MOTs.
In your case the MOTs have a quasi 'open' core vs a normal transformer, this would work against saturation but there should be an "average" inductance developed from the periodically opened and closed core structure which establishes the resonance with your capacitors  (2.5uF in the 2nd video).

I believe that you and some others have noticed that the input AC frequency to the 3ph motor was about twice as high as the resonance frequency of the LC tank shown by the scope: about 61-62Hz input vs the 30.5-30.7Hz shown by the scope nearing to the resonance in your 2nd video. (If I recall correctly, this was also the case in the second half of your first video.)  You got parametric resonance drive: your exciting input was at 2 x f frequency while the output was tuned to f frequency.

Your simple setup included two nonlinear components, the first was the saturating cores of the MOTs and the second was the lamps (the loads).  The lamps make such setups even more difficult to tune: they have a low resistance when they are dim i.e. when the LC tank is not at resonance and although the lamps low resistance is transformed towards the LC tank as a higher value, they still shunt the parallel Z impedance of the LC tank, making the loaded Q relatively low all the way towards reaching the resonant frequency. And when the coils inductance is brought by the rpm of the prime mover near to or on to a value which gives a resonance (a parametric resonance in this case) with the 2.5uF cap, then the impedance of the tank increases, this increases the AC voltage across it, hence the filaments in the lamps can start heating up, this increases their resistance manyfold: the result is a sudden jump in AC voltage amplitude because the shunting effect of the transformed lamp resistances are much reduced when the ligths flash occurs. After these events, the process repeats itself because the filaments cool down, their resistance decreases so their shunting effect returns. In this process the coils wire resistance also heats up, this can explain why you found after a while the repetitive process should be given a "smack" by a slight retuning of the frequency drive: a warmer coil resistance represents more loss for the LC tank so the sudden increase in amplitude is further controlled (kept at bay) with the less Q of the tank.

This is why it is a better "trick" to include the bulb or bulbs in the LC tank itself as yfree referred to: you do not need to worry too much that the bulbs would be 'gutted', the moment the tank reaches to or at the resonant frequency,  the tank circulating current would "see" an increasing filament resistance as the bulbs would light up, so the nonlinearity of the bulbs would somewhat compensate for the nonlinearity of the saturating cores. You can even see a series variable resistor in series with the bulb inside the LC tank in Fig. 62 yfree referred to, that would further control the circulating current (and causing further loss of course) in the tank but the level of core saturation could be kept under certain, further control.

My above "rambling" did not mean to characterize the performance of the QEG in any way, it just refers to your excellent tests shown in your 2 recent videos. I hope that all what I wrote above are understandable, if you have questions, please ask.


...
Also, to be safe and allow the high voltage to go through it would require more bulbs in series then I have available.


Inside the LC tank there is no HV but high current, the HV develops across the tank.  So the lamps would be "treated" by some Ampers at resonance, which they would have to "bare".

Gyula
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 12, 2014, 10:47:15 PM
Quote from: Magluvin
Mh, your supposed "free thought" comes from books that dont encourage or engage in the idea that free energy is possible.  That is not free thought. That is called being programmed. Nothing free thought about it. All nice and tight in a little box. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/wink.gif)

Aye, it is tempting to believe that such attitudes
come from the books or the education - but that
is rarely the case.  It's an "individual" thing.

The vast majority of the books and educational
systems do not discourage, but rather, encourage
going where others have not yet gone.

Unfortunately, the Quacks and Fakers who've come
into the community seeking riches and fame have
muddied the waters.  As a consequence some are
exceedingly skeptical and cautious - to the point
of not being able to believe that anything new is
possible.  Until they see proof positive, that is.

Do not be dismayed by any skepticism which enters
into the discussions.  It is ever-present and does serve
a good purpose in the end.

As most already know, our true education begins after
we've been educated in/by the system.

Hang onto the dreams but temper them with reality.

Above all, keep the Ethics strong and perpetual.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 12, 2014, 11:35:41 PM
I was testing hitting the MOT cores with metal like woopy did and found what causes the voltage.

I also checked for magnetism in my I cores and could not conclude anything.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3v2d2czTZg

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 12, 2014, 11:45:35 PM
 Luc my friend you are seeing the reflection of the magnet in the compass and not any residual magnetism in the steel. Try attaching a very very small piece of iron to the rotor parts that will tell you if there is any residual magnetism in them. See this is the misdirection people employ to discredit findings. Very bad test indeed...

 FYI: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ

 Some descriptions from the originators. And this might let you see I was correct at my guess. I just found this video even though it came out on april 3rd.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: iflewmyown on April 13, 2014, 01:25:56 AM
Luc,
   I am the guy that PMed Woopy about striking the transformer. In my best tests last night I obtained 481 volts from the secondary winding of a 17 pound microwave oven transformer from a 1978 Sharp microwave. I used a 2 1/2 pound rod of hardened steel. Results can be obtained from striking anywhere on the laminations in any direction. The steel is not magnetic but I am aware that the core could be shifting in the bobbin although I can not detect and movement and I have the equipment to do that. Just to be sure I tried a second transformer from an old oscilloscope which have visible runs of hardened varnish still dripped all over it. The winding has taps for 130 120 110 24 12 volt. It weighs about 1.5 lbs and is about the size of my hand. The best it has produced is 108 volts. I have an old choke about the same size with only one winding that makes 10 volts every time.
    Using the microwave transformer I hooked a neon bulb across the secondary and it will blink long enough to see easily. The scope shows six or seven breaks each hit at about 170 volts.
    The first spike wave lasts almost always 250 us.
     When I strike the laminations I use a good blow but power is not as useful as sharpness. Think of striking a bell.
     I am not disputing anyone's results only saying the effect is very interesting to me.
Garry
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on April 13, 2014, 01:39:53 AM

 Except there is a coil on the rotor. And this was my suggestion.


 Actually the roots of any of these patents is this:  http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine


               and                                                        :  http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-445,207-electro-magnetic-motor




There are a huge amount of these produced by Tesla and others.
 With the first example being the unit presented in sections. All of the sections can be built into the Exciter/Generator/Motor unit. EGM for short.



 Here is a quote of note in the first patent:


 "My present invention relates, chiefly, to the alternating-current system invented by me and described in prior patents, notably Nos. 381,968 and 382,280, of May 1, 1888, in which the motors or transformers, or generally the converters, are operated by a progressive shifting or movement of their magnetic poles produced by the co-operative action of independent magnetizing-coils through which pass alternating currents in proper order and direction. In my said system, as I have heretofore shown, I employed a generator of alternating currents in which there were independent induced or generating coils corresponding to the energizing-coils of the converter, and the relations of the generator and converters were generally such that the speed of rotation of the magnetic poles of the converter equaled that of the armature of the generator.To secure the greatest efficiency, it is necessary to run the machines at a high speed, and this is true not only of those generators and motors which are particularly adapted for use in my system, but of others. The practicability of running at very high speeds, however, particularly in the case of large generators, is limited by mechanical conditions, in seeking to avoid which I have devised various plans for operating the system under efficient conditions, although running the generator at a comparatively low rate of speed.
My present invention consists of another way of accomplishing this result, which in certain respects presents many advantages. According to the invention, in lieu of driving the armature of the generator at a high rate of speed, I produce a rotation of the magnetic poles of one element of the generator and drive the other at a different speed, by which similar results are obtained to those secured by a rapid rotation of one of the elements."

There are a huge amount of these produced by Tesla and others. Yes and built to the patent and not one single report of OU generation. I'm not sure but I think the Tesla AC generator system as seen in the 390721 patent was produced in Australia for the Southern Cross company and sold to farms ect., driven by diesel engines or tractors pto drives or by belts from steam engines. If that system was OU we would not be here talking. Seriously.

If I make some steel blocks for between the coils on one of my four coil toroids and make a rotor bar I can have a QEG setup. My best guess is that it would consume more power from the excitation and driving the motor than is dissipated in the output.

Anyone showing any different yet ?

Cheers

P.S. I think the sound SeaMonkey refers to is a 400 Hz hum. But I can't say for sure I've never served in the military.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 13, 2014, 01:43:06 AM
Jbignes5:

It is indeed possible that the compass magnet itself is causing the deflection.  Also, it's undetermined if a small piece of metal will show any residual magnetism because the field can be very weak.

Quote
See this is the misdirection people employ to discredit findings. Very bad test indeed...

You should stop this.  There is no misdirection employed nor is there any intention to discredit findings.  It is a perfectly good test to make.  This is all in your head and you should get over it.  I have indeed stated that I do not expect anything to come from HopeGirl and the QEG project based on my experience.  But Luc's test is a completely different thing and the suggestions are real and done with good intentions.

What almost always happens is that there is a peer pressure to try to use every observation to support the latest free energy proposition.  This is done without doing any due diligence and checking of measurements, considering other explanations, doing or inventing other tests to check hypotheses, etc.  That is the wrong way to experiment and do investigations.  This idea that you put on blinders and use tunnel vision to reach your objective is just plain wrong.

Take a look at the "delayed Lenz effect" as an example.  It's almost certain that everybody got that one wrong.  Farmhand pointed out the problems with that notion over a year ago and more recently Conradelectro replicated it.  We looked at the power dissipation in the pick-up coil and realized that when you add the load resistor the power dissipated in the pick-up coil goes down and therefore rotor speeds up.  The problem is that people replicated it, saw what they were expecting to see, and "confirmed" that there was a "delayed Lenz effect."  I am pretty sure nearly none of them made the total power dissipation measurements in the pick-up coil before and after adding the load resistor.

And I know Luc that you may have originated the "delayed Lenz" tests but there is no offense intended.  It's all just part of a learning experience.  If anybody is going to experiment with electronics you can just about never stop learning.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 13, 2014, 02:34:26 AM
Luc, Gyula,

Guyla made some very interesting comments about the core saturation and effects of the light bulbs.  Those could indeed be a possible explanation for the observations.  It would be a bit tricky to make more tests to confirm or deny these ideas, all part of the fun.

In the second clip you can see that the LC resonator is slowly being "filled" as the motor runs.  Every time the rotor makes a pass, a small amount of new energy is being added to the LC tank circuit.

My thoughts are that there is a stronger magnetic force in the gap when the "I" lines up with the "E" as the energy in the LC tank goes up.  So as the peak-to-peak voltage gets high, the current gets high, the magnetic force gets high, and the rotor bends to the point it starts to hit the MOT.  At the same time, the smaller the gap gets because of the bending, the more pronounced the effective inductance modulation becomes.  Likewise, if there is residual magnetization, the more modulated the residual magnetic flux gets.  That would put more available energy into each EMF pulse that adds energy to the LC tank circuit.

There are also mechanical resonances that may come into play.  The rotor has a front-to-back "wobble" resonance also.  It may be that the on-off attraction forces associated with the gap make the rotor wobble close to it's resonant frequency.  By the same token, the motor itself may be making the rotor wobble.

So mechanical resonance is another possibility to explain the phenomenon.  It might be mechanical resonance that is excited either by the RPM of the physical motor itself, or it might be mechanical resonance excited by the on-off attraction of the rotor to the MOT.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 13, 2014, 02:40:35 AM
Jbignes5:

It is indeed possible that the compass magnet itself is causing the deflection.  Also, it's undetermined if a small piece of metal will show any residual magnetism because the field can be very weak.

You should stop this.  There is no misdirection employed nor is there any intention to discredit findings.  It is a perfectly good test to make.  This is all in your head and you should get over it.  I have indeed stated that I do not expect anything to come from HopeGirl and the QEG project based on my experience.  But Luc's test is a completely different thing and the suggestions are real and done with good intentions.

What almost always happens is that there is a peer pressure to try to use every observation to support the latest free energy proposition.  This is done without doing any due diligence and checking of measurements, considering other explanations, doing or inventing other tests to check hypotheses, etc.  That is the wrong way to experiment and do investigations.  This idea that you put on blinders and use tunnel vision to reach your objective is just plain wrong.

Take a look at the "delayed Lenz effect" as an example.  It's almost certain that everybody got that one wrong.  Farmhand pointed out the problems with that notion over a year ago and more recently Conradelectro replicated it.  We looked at the power dissipation in the pick-up coil and realized that when you add the load resistor the power dissipated in the pick-up coil goes down and therefore rotor speeds up.  The problem is that people replicated it, saw what they were expecting to see, and "confirmed" that there was a "delayed Lenz effect."  I am pretty sure nearly none of them made the total power dissipation measurements in the pick-up coil before and after adding the load resistor.

And I know Luc that you may have originated the "delayed Lenz" tests but there is no offense intended.  It's all just part of a learning experience.  If anybody is going to experiment with electronics you can just about never stop learning.

MileHigh


 I will stop no such thing. It is healthy to be a skeptic even on the current accepted dogma. I do it boths way not just in this example.


 The argument that they should measure this and measure that when they are trying to understand what is happening is not the proper way to experiment. Yes it will help along the way as time and data is present. They are trying to work out the bugs or unthought of hindrances to the system. And if the output is only 25% of what they claim that is still more out then in. I agree that they should have a better knowledge of the unit by testing it out but they are in the process of getting everything else done including structural integrity tests. Obviously you will not be able to snow a trained engineer and fool him. They are doing just that in Taipe. IF this company doesn't know how it is working then obviously they would drop it wouldn't they?


 Just hang on a bit longer and see the results before claiming anything yourself. If they have to teach electrical engineers something in order to build it then it has to be a new "Something".


 This is soo close to the system I am building that I am excited to try to get back to the building of the system I know will work. My excitement wanes fast knowing I can not leave my bed for days at a time. It's depressing to know a good amount of information and not be able to put it into action. I am glad they are doing where I can not. I am glad that the open source theory is proving to be the winner as opposed to keeping this stuff in secret and trying to hoard everything from that work. Keep it open and in the public eye and no one will be able to control it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 13, 2014, 02:53:05 AM
I was testing hitting the MOT cores with metal like woopy did and found what causes the voltage.

I also checked for magnetism in my I cores and could not conclude anything.

Link to video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3v2d2czTZg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3v2d2czTZg)

Luc

Yeah, the compass may not be the best idea. But, there may be a better way of using it.

The face of the ecore has 3 poles. If you bring the compass close to each of the 3 posts, 1 at a time, if there is residual magnetism, the compass should have a preference as to which end of the needle is attracted to each pole.  Like if the N of the compass points to the center pole, the outer poles should produce a S needle attraction. That is if there is residual mag field in the core.

When you were rotating the core caps of the motor with the compass on top of the ecore, the compass seemed to have N attraction to one cap and S attraction to the other cap.  May have been just the inertia of the needle as you rotated one cap to the next, but I would recheck that also.


The insulated screw driver deal was very interesting.   ;) How much voltage was being produced with that test when you were touching the metal of the screwdriver? And I wonder how much there may be if you had a ground wire attached to the screwdriver and retest. ;D

I have a mot here that I will try some things as you did. Im thinking of setting up a reed relay to buzz at different freqs, connecting and disconnecting ground to the core.  Might be interesting. ;D

Very good thinking on your part there.  Very impressed, as usual. ;)

Mags

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 13, 2014, 02:53:30 AM
Jibgnes5:

You are welcome to question and be a skeptic about the current accepted dogma.  That's a technical issue and don't be surprised if you get technical responses.

Stop trying to allege that I am something that I am not.  I am not a 'bad guy' so get over it.  My discussion about the remnant magnetism is 100% legitimate and you tried to suggest that this was being done to derail this investigation and that is not true.

Going back to the Far East, I thing it's too soon to get a response from the engineers in Taipei.  I assume sometime later we will hear from them.  Based on my real-world experience, it's honesty hard for me to believe that they got an audience with some engineers.  Just like it's hard to believe that Wayne Travis has real engineers working for him.  But that's just me.  So let's hope that we hear from the Taipei engineers directly, and not via HopeGirl's blog.

I am sorry that you have heath issues and I hope that you can devote some time to your projects.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 13, 2014, 03:12:15 AM
Jibgnes5:

You are welcome to question and be a skeptic about the current accepted dogma.  That's a technical issue and don't be surprised if you get technical responses.

Stop trying to allege that I am something that I am not.  I am not a 'bad guy' so get over it.  My discussion about the remnant magnetism is 100% legitimate and you tried to suggest that this was being done to derail this investigation and that is not true.

I am sorry that you have heath issues and I hope that you can devote some time to your projects.

MileHigh


 No i took issue with the method to measure residual magnetism. You knew the compass had a magnet in it and hence why it was designed to look like the core was magnetized. Most uneducated people who are working here believe that crap and hence my comment that this is a bad guy tactic. You proposed that not me nor anyone else. It is what it appears. What was shown is that a self proclaimed professional would even suggest to detect a magnetic field by using a magnet especially if the residual magnet is in steel? Come on you did not know that a magnet reacts to steel?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 13, 2014, 03:44:25 AM
Luc:

I am going to give you a suggestion for using the compass with a simple example that perhaps you can apply in your own way with your setup.

We know the compass is a magnet itself.  So it has the ability to disturb it's own measurements.  This is an issue that comes up all the time in all sorts of applications of sensors.  For an example, when you use an ammeter, it disturbs the current measurement by introducing an extra resistance into the current loop.  However, you understand in most cases the disturbance is insignificant.

The way to overcome this issue with the compass is to make differential measurements.

Suppose you have a rectangular block of metal to check for residual magnetism, and you also have an identical block of metal that is not magnetized.

The compass is lined up North-South and you approach the compass with the unmagnetized metal block and place it so the compass deflects 45 degrees.  Now, since the block of metal is unmagnetized, if you turn it around by 180 degrees and put it in the same position, the compass will still be deflected by 45 degrees.

Now if you do the same test with the slightly magnetized block you will get different results.  In one position the compass might be deflected by 43 degrees.  Turn the block around and the compass might be deflected by 47 degrees.  That is clearly telling you that there is some residual magnetism in the second block of metal.

Note that you don't need the unmagnetized block of metal as a reference.  I simply used it in the description to make the point.

Your box is built so I don't know if you can make this measurement.  If you had the "I" core and the "E" core on your bench you could in theory do these tests.  Note that you have to test for the three main polarization directions for a block also, x, y, and z.  You assume that you don't know what the direction of the polarization is.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 13, 2014, 03:53:43 AM
Jbignes5:

Quote
No i took issue with the method to measure residual magnetism. You knew the compass had a magnet in it and hence why it was designed to look like the core was magnetized. Most uneducated people who are working here believe that crap and hence my comment that this is a bad guy tactic.

If you noticed I just kicked your butt in the previous posting.  No bad guy tactic, your comments are ridiculous.  When it comes to the educational level with respect to electronics and who is educated and who is uneducated, you have to take a good look in the mirror and be honest with yourself.

Take me off of your agenda and let's just discuss the technical aspects of Luc and Woopy's tests.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 13, 2014, 04:02:31 AM

 Ugh Milehigh please come down to earth ok.

 In fact magnetism is the cause of the vibration. When a current is drawn from the coils it creates a magnetic field within the core when they align and to a certain extent when they get a certain degree from alignment. The fact that it doesn't appear to do much in the QEG design means that it might be a locking effect on the rotor of the Luc design. The important thing is that luc is also seeing an event when it goes into resonance. Lucs design isn't rigid enough to handle the abuse and must be pulling the I's into a deadlock position when that resonance is reached. This is due to current flowing in the coils and creating a magnetic field which slowly locks onto the poles.


 Again why not use a toroid like I suggested with no poles. Tesla said that it was like having a toroid with unlimited poles without using poles at all in his designs. Poles create cogging and huge losses. Why not get rid of them?

 I'll search for the specific Tesla saying about the pole issue. Oh and for motors poles work best I would think for maximum torque.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 13, 2014, 04:11:03 AM
Hi everyone,

the suggestion of having the bulbs in series on the high voltage side has helped stabilize the Resonance.

Here is the video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jYPDuueY0

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 13, 2014, 05:19:40 AM
Luc:

I am going to give you a suggestion for using the compass with a simple example that perhaps you can apply in your own way with your setup.

We know the compass is a magnet itself.  So it has the ability to disturb it's own measurements.  This is an issue that comes up all the time in all sorts of applications of sensors.  For an example, when you use an ammeter, it disturbs the current measurement by introducing an extra resistance into the current loop.  However, you understand in most cases the disturbance is insignificant.

The way to overcome this issue with the compass is to make differential measurements.

Suppose you have a rectangular block of metal to check for residual magnetism, and you also have an identical block of metal that is not magnetized.

The compass is lined up North-South and you approach the compass with the unmagnetized metal block and place it so the compass deflects 45 degrees.  Now, since the block of metal is unmagnetized, if you turn it around by 180 degrees and put it in the same position, the compass will still be deflected by 45 degrees.

Now if you do the same test with the slightly magnetized block you will get different results.  In one position the compass might be deflected by 43 degrees.  Turn the block around and the compass might be deflected by 47 degrees.  That is clearly telling you that there is some residual magnetism in the second block of metal.

Note that you don't need the unmagnetized block of metal as a reference.  I simply used it in the description to make the point.

Your box is built so I don't know if you can make this measurement.  If you had the "I" core and the "E" core on your bench you could in theory do these tests.  Note that you have to test for the three main polarization directions for a block also, x, y, and z.  You assume that you don't know what the direction of the polarization is.

MileHigh

Thanks for the suggestions on the better way to use the compass. I'll keep it in mind for next to to check before I close cores up in a box as I think it too late now as there's not enough room to do the tests as you suggest.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 13, 2014, 05:23:36 AM
Luc,
   I am the guy that PMed Woopy about striking the transformer. In my best tests last night I obtained 481 volts from the secondary winding of a 17 pound microwave oven transformer from a 1978 Sharp microwave. I used a 2 1/2 pound rod of hardened steel. Results can be obtained from striking anywhere on the laminations in any direction. The steel is not magnetic but I am aware that the core could be shifting in the bobbin although I can not detect and movement and I have the equipment to do that. Just to be sure I tried a second transformer from an old oscilloscope which have visible runs of hardened varnish still dripped all over it. The winding has taps for 130 120 110 24 12 volt. It weighs about 1.5 lbs and is about the size of my hand. The best it has produced is 108 volts. I have an old choke about the same size with only one winding that makes 10 volts every time.
    Using the microwave transformer I hooked a neon bulb across the secondary and it will blink long enough to see easily. The scope shows six or seven breaks each hit at about 170 volts.
    The first spike wave lasts almost always 250 us.
     When I strike the laminations I use a good blow but power is not as useful as sharpness. Think of striking a bell.
     I am not disputing anyone's results only saying the effect is very interesting to me.
Garry

Hi Garry,

interesting results!... can you make a video demo of your experiment?

Thanks

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on April 13, 2014, 03:49:56 PM
If varying the inductance parameter is all that is required then it can be done without any rotor and with a very small input power. If I take an off the shelf 220 to 15 v transformer that has two 15 volt windings then simply short one of the 15 volt windings the inductance of the 220 volt winding varies from 4.4 H to almost nothing, then if I use a 12 volt bulb with a cold resistance of 5.5 ohms it varies between 4.4 H and 200 mH. Will that excite the transformer if I switch a load in and out at the correct frequency ? I think there is more to it than just varying the inductance, something missing, which is I think input.

..

QEG report from Germany. He has had his for over a year so it must be Witts device. 

Looking at the report below it seems like they don't understand why they can't turn the several thousand watts of oscillating power (accumulated) in the tank into a continuous output. It's comical. Grasping at straws when they resort to the old line of
Quote
"I think it has overunity potential because no matter what you attach to the output ,the QEG draws not more power."


On the other hand that behavior says to me that the output is limited to a bit less than the unloaded input.

From peswiki - http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:04:10#German_Group_achieves_QEG_resonance
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5kV @ 500mA
Somebody built a QEG in Germany and now has resonance.
In fact he writes in the comments that he has been tuning this machine for about a year and also gave up several times, but then with the Plans from Hopegirl he could bring the machine to work.
"A test 3 days ago showed up that we have 9300V at 0.7A. The Problem is somewhere in the Transformation between primary windings and secondary windings. If we start with a higher load attached like 500 Watt lamps we reach resonance but the lamp didn't light up. The machine is producing "raw power".
I think it has overunity potential because no matter what you attach to the output ,the QEG draws not more power. The secret is to get the exciter tank circuit to run properly, only then we can have more power than 150 Watts. Its like in Taiwan they havn't attached more than two bulbs right? Its the same here. Only raw power!"

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: kajunkreations on April 13, 2014, 04:44:52 PM
 Hey Farmhand, you are correct, the germans QEG is a WITTS device. If you go to his forum at http://www.qeg-forum.de/ (http://www.qeg-forum.de/), you will find a little more info there.
His screen name is TeslaTech. You must register to see any images in the post.. In the thread "Construction" he says that he got his info from Tim Thrapp via Skype, but obviously not all the info needed.

 Nolan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 13, 2014, 05:31:13 PM
Hi everyone,

the suggestion of having the bulbs in series on the high voltage side has helped stabilize the Resonance.

Here is the video demo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jYPDuueY0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jYPDuueY0)

Luc

Do you have any more bulbs to add in series? ;D

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 13, 2014, 05:37:46 PM
If varying the inductance parameter is all that is required then it can be done without any rotor and with a very small input power. If I take an off the shelf 220 to 15 v transformer that has two 15 volt windings then simply short one of the 15 volt windings the inductance of the 220 volt winding varies from 4.4 H to almost nothing, then if I use a 12 volt bulb with a cold resistance of 5.5 ohms it varies between 4.4 H and 200 mH. Will that excite the transformer if I switch a load in and out at the correct frequency ? I think there is more to it than just varying the inductance, something missing, which is I think input.

..

QEG report from Germany. He has had his for over a year so it must be Witts device. 

Looking at the report below it seems like they don't understand why they can't turn the several thousand watts of oscillating power (accumulated) in the tank into a continuous output. It's comical. Grasping at straws when they resort to the old line of 

On the other hand that behavior says to me that the output is limited to a bit less than the unloaded input.

From peswiki - http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:04:10#German_Group_achieves_QEG_resonance (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:04:10#German_Group_achieves_QEG_resonance)
..


 Farmhand,


 The inductances have only a part in the whole machine. What they are saying is the high voltage comes from the Steel as a piezo type effect. Don't know if I agree but that is the source of the voltage. The coils then boost that voltage. The switching of the inductances only is used to route the voltage after it is picked up and is a guide for magnetic forces after the process starts.. Of course after the magnetics start shortcutting and cutting the coil it runs in resonance. The extra generation is from the magnetic field being channeled into the rotor then going into various portions of the toroid. But I will have to look at it way more closely to understand the basic function.


 This is very familiar isn't it Farmhand? The only difference I can see from this and my angle is that they don't have a central Coil on the rotor to pull off Current from the magnetic portion of the device that travels along the rotor. Oh wait the system I was looking at uses two phases and is actively driven from a magneto. With the prime mover already integrated into this system you won't have switching problems like they are having.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 13, 2014, 05:48:37 PM
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/226-update-april-13-from-the-qeg-team-in-taiwan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 13, 2014, 05:57:34 PM
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/226-update-april-13-from-the-qeg-team-in-taiwan (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/226-update-april-13-from-the-qeg-team-in-taiwan)

53 minutes of nothing but Robitaille talking? And then a few minutes at the end on "how to use your computer to do a videoconference"?

Yep, that's the kind of update we need, for sure. I feel a lot more confident now.... don't you?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 13, 2014, 06:00:49 PM
Well, I don't know. It's a free world. You can decide what is crap and what isn't.


Cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 13, 2014, 07:07:19 PM
Do you have any more bulbs to add in series? ;D

Mags

I do!...why?

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 13, 2014, 07:28:04 PM
53 minutes of nothing but Robitaille talking? And then a few minutes at the end on "how to use your computer to do a videoconference"?

Yep, that's the kind of update we need, for sure. I feel a lot more confident now.... don't you?


 Wow obviously you didn't hear what they are working on and all the questions being answered to the best of his ability.


 Why are you constantly attacking this guy. No wonder they left America to do this work. Faced with your cynicism who would want to deal with that. They left because of this attitude and they are spreading this FAR and wide without your or my help.


 Are you jealous that you didn't get to lambaste them with your cynicism?


 That video tells a lot but you choose not to listen. Fine I guess you go back to the end of the line when it comes time to hand out the plans and finished design.


 They have a plan, they are following the plan for an uninterruptible launch. It's a plan that doesn't include fighting nay sayers or defending the device. It is a plan of action, of doing then they will go to the critics and answer them WITH FACTS. They are improving it as we speak and each step is a very important one full of discovery and from what it looks like joy. Their goal is to win against all the odds that is stacked up against them. If the project works as designed then hey MORE POWER to them! Power that they will not be paying for ROFL!


 Your slip is showing. You are showing us every day who's side you are on. It's not ours thats for sure.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 13, 2014, 07:46:53 PM

 Wow obviously you didn't hear what they are working on and all the questions being answered to the best of his ability.


 Why are you constantly attacking this guy. No wonder they left America to do this work. Faced with your cynicism who would want to deal with that. They left because of this attitude and they are spreading this FAR and wide without your or my help.


 Are you jealous that you didn't get to lambaste them with your cynicism?


 That video tells a lot but you choose not to listen. Fine I guess you go back to the end of the line when it comes time to hand out the plans and finished design.


 They have a plan, they are following the plan for an uninterruptible launch. It's a plan that doesn't include fighting nay sayers or defending the device. It is a plan of action, of doing then they will go to the critics and answer them WITH FACTS. They are improving it as we speak and each step is a very important one full of discovery and from what it looks like joy. Their goal is to win against all the odds that is stacked up against them. If the project works as designed then hey MORE POWER to them! Power that they will not be paying for ROFL!


 Your slip is showing. You are showing us every day who's side you are on. It's not ours thats for sure.


jbigness,  Very well said!    I think they have the best overall plan I've seen to get a free energy device out.   It may be part of their plan to get improvements along the way by getting others to build this as they teach the basics.   As each group learns to build it there will undoubtedly be some ideas come up on ways to make it better.     
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 13, 2014, 07:52:14 PM



 Well from the video that is exactly what they are doing. They are using the teaching process to learn from a wide array of professionals or even regular joes. This is the perfect way to introduce a ground breaking device. No one will be able to stop it, no one.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 13, 2014, 08:05:54 PM
can't see any good reason for all the negative comments by some.  it should be obvious fairly soon what they have.  it seems the name Hopegirl is a real hard one for Tinselhead since he can't even call her that instead calling her Whatevergirl.   Hope is like belief.   Belief is too close to religion for Tinsel apparently and we know where aetheists stand on that.  this will be a real crusher for Tinsel once this free energy device really gets big.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 13, 2014, 08:54:00 PM
53 minutes of nothing but Robitaille talking? And then a few minutes at the end on "how to use your computer to do a videoconference"?

Yep, that's the kind of update we need, for sure. I feel a lot more confident now.... don't you?

I don't understand Tinsel's attitude. Is he an oil company shill? It appears that his strategy is to constantly attack people and their ideas with a continual stream of negativity and sarcasm.

Why doesn't he find an under unity forum and hang out there?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 13, 2014, 09:18:57 PM
Why doesn't he find an under unity forum and hang out there?

What kind of fun would be for him ;D

Seriously, I don't mind since they have helped me in many ways over the years. They are here for a reason and we should allow them to voice their opinions without objections. If you don't agree we shouldn't bother arguing to make our point. We should use or time to experiment to try to prove what we believe to be.

Believe it or not, they want the same thing you want!... they just won't believe it until they see all the tests done right and only then they will build it for them self for final proof.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 13, 2014, 09:22:44 PM
I don't understand Tinsel's attitude. Is he an oil company shill? It appears that his strategy is to constantly attack people and their ideas with a continual stream of negativity and sarcasm.

Why doesn't he find an under unity forum and hang out there?


 Well Tinsels attitude is like all others who spent their entire life thinking what they learned was FACT. It's an ego thing really. When something or someone comes along that challenges those beliefs of their FACTS they become Violent or Vindictive or Confrontational because it is basically attacking what they believe is FACT and Truthful.
 As to who he is and where he works is really not important.


 My aim is to give these people a chance to get to the point of Data disclosure. They deserve that just on general respect principles. Even if the device is a flop they should be able to do what they need to do to get the proof and the understanding of that proof these guys desire.


 Maybe they don't want others to build it and find out the truth? Maybe there is a conspiracy here. I don't know the answers to that but it sure does appear to look that way. It seems there is a concerted effort to do damage control here and try to put the cat back in the box. Welp this is why I believe they went to other countries. See America isn't about freedom anymore it is about CONTROL of the masses. LAWS, Regulations, Codes seem to be well meaning but when you are subjects to them outside of their context, well thats CONTROL not freedom.


 I'm waiting in earnest to see something from Morocco, which is there next stop. Maybe a video that can later be seen since internet and phone communications are bad there. Hopefully they will bring a lot of recording material with them so we get a better picture of the work they are doing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 13, 2014, 11:08:24 PM
What kind of fun would be for him ;D

Seriously, I don't mind since they have helped me in many ways over the years. They are here for a reason and we should allow them to voice their opinions without objections. If you don't agree we shouldn't bother arguing to make our point. We should use or time to experiment to try to prove what we believe to be.

Believe it or not, they want the same thing you want!... they just won't believe it until they see all the tests done right and only then they will build it for them self for final proof.

Luc


Well said Luc. Some people just need others to know Physics is never wrong but don't know all the Physics that needs to be known and others have mile high egos and not much more. Hopefully we'll all learn something in the end.


chrisC

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 13, 2014, 11:18:58 PM
ChrisC:

You allege that I write crap?  Please go ahead and tell me what you think is crap.

We will see if you will make a comment in five and a half weeks after many replicators will have had a chance to build and test the thing, as per the actual open-source downloaded plans.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: woopy on April 13, 2014, 11:42:27 PM
Hi all

Just tried something after Gyula information on the Russian(Lanarev )  paper from 1934 , where a crossing alu plate. decreases the inductance of 2 facing coil.

And it seems that by variation of inductance, Increasing it or decreasing it, generate some electricity

And  , by doing it, also seems not to submitted to Lenz    perhaps    ???

My 2 cents

http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k

laurent
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 14, 2014, 12:58:03 AM
What kind of fun would be for him ;D

Seriously, I don't mind since they have helped me in many ways over the years. They are here for a reason and we should allow them to voice their opinions without objections. If you don't agree we shouldn't bother arguing to make our point. We should use or time to experiment to try to prove what we believe to be.

Believe it or not, they want the same thing you want!... they just won't believe it until they see all the tests done right and only then they will build it for them self for final proof.

Luc
Nicely put Luc,
My spideysense is starting to tingle though. Your own experiments have shown much more data on the purported effect than FTW has. Based on Mark's assessment they have collected nearly 100k from crowd sourcing. Still no I/O data as promised. I wish you every success with your experiments.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 14, 2014, 01:57:29 AM
The unfortunate thing is that the QEG group is demonstrating the same pattern that we have all seen many times over.  They clearly and unambiguously claimed that they have a free energy machine.  Then all of a sudden it's "in development" and replicators are welcome to tweak the design and adapt it for themselves.  It's the Internet age, you don't have to physically travel somewhere to demonstrate your concepts.  You can use Skype and email.  The people promoting this idea seem to have limited technical abilities.  Let's assume the majority of the replication teams will be amateurs, and the replicators will go down dozens or hundreds of blind alleyways and do crazy nonsensical variations because they don't know what they are doing.

The system has been claimed to work, outputting 4 kilowatts. But no details were provided about the output voltage and current of the device itself, what transformer or transformers they may have used, and what the actual 4 kilowatt load was.  How come this was not described and the guy that built it didn't say something like, "We used a 10 KVA 10:1 step-down transformer, and built a metal frame to hold 40 100-watt light bulbs, etc, etc.  How come there is no picture of this apparatus?  It's a lot of work to make a load bank to dissipate 4 kilowatts.  Hey, for all I know they could have used toasters and make toast while they ran their test.  I would like to see a picture of of the toasters and all of the data.

The point being that if you are going to actually claim you ran this setup let's say with a motor that drew 500 watts, and you output 4 kilowatts into a load, the first question you should be asking the QEG people is for full details on this test including measurements, video clips, pictures, a description of what was done, the actual data, and so on.

I don't hear any of you guys asking for this data.  It's like you have put on your special tunnel vision blinders and will simply expect it to work - like magic.  You are here to research free energy and you are building things all the time, and yet no one that I am aware of is asking for the hard core details about the 4 kilowatt test.

On one hand, everything about this one seems groovy and flexible and people are free to try different configurations, and yet when you try to replicate other free energy propositions that fail, you are told that you didn't do the replication exactly.  If you didn't use the exact same wire with precisely the same number of turns on the exact same core, then it won't work and you can't blame the inventor, only yourself for failing to replicate.

Those are some of the pieces to the puzzle.  The problem for many of you is that you have seen this puzzle before.  All of the signs in the latest puzzle point in the direction that says it's won't work, because you have seen it all before.  You have seen dozens and dozens of "coil resonance plays" and they never work.  Resonance is not magic and only represents the storage of energy put into the resonating system from a source, like a battery.  Resonance is not and will never be an innate source of energy itself.  You have all been through this over and over and over.

So from my perspective, I am just waiting for the tears to start falling.  Lots of groups will be burnt out, dismayed, and unhappy after spending a few hundred hours and getting nowhere.  Reality is going to hurt them and it's going to bite HopeGirl in the ass.

You guys can do whatever you want and make some tests and I may comment in the genuine spirit of trying to help you.  Meanwhile, the impending disaster of irate groups of replicators, many of them presumably not familiar with the whole free energy forums and all that, they are going to be one group of pissed off people that want results.

This appears to be nothing more than exciting coils into resonance.  The coils are just resonating and waiting for either more energy to be put into them from an outside source, or they will be drained of energy and the resonant amplitude will decrease.  That's all there is to it, there is no magic anywhere, it's nothing more than basic rudimentary electronics.

Let's all watch the show.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced
Post by: Rfacts on April 14, 2014, 02:38:47 AM
gotoluc:

I really appreciate all of your experimental efforts and sharing of your results.  I think many more than you're aware of benefit from the work you openly share.  We learn something from every experiment whether we conduct it ourselves or if it is conducted by someone else who provides the configuration, test protocol and the data needed to replicate the experiment like you do.  You learn whether your results are as you expected or not.  Richard Feynman put it best: The test of all knowledge is experiment.

Your builds are professional and you stand out because you like to confirm things for yourself without letting negative comments deter you from your experimental work.  At times both sides resort to sniping, name calling and sarcasm that is not constructive, it discourages those of us that may have something productive to contribute.  Yet you remain open minded to glean what you can from both sides, bravo!  Kudos to woopy too!  You can't beat hands-on experimental work to learn while enjoying the building experience, but even though both sides have something positive to contribute you do sometimes have to filter out the unproductive background noise.

I'm encouraged by your open and objective approach to post an idea that I had which also makes use of microwave oven transformer cores and would like to know what you think.  I'm attaching a drawing that I made of a QEG Experimental Test Unit to test the effects by utilizing 2 or 3 MOT cores.  I think it would eliminate the flexing problem you're having while bringing it closer to the original QEG toroid design and allows use of bobbins to test with different coil configurations.  One unit design requires three MOT E core pieces of the same size to maintain the same rotor dimensions and other rotor designs would only require two MOTs because one of the left over I core pieces would be used to make two variations of a rotor at the more narrow width of the I core piece.  Some core machining would be required but it may be worth a try.

Also wanted to point out that James Robitaille stated in the recently posted PESN video interview at the 28:00 minute mark that he tested his QEG configuration at the lower frequencies that you're testing at but found that the QEG growled and beat itself up and he didn't think it would last so he stayed away from the low RPMs.  In the QEG Taiwan Update video that was posted today at the 13:00 minute mark James Robitaille states that he is still using a primary LC capacitance of 0.125uF and achieved smooth resonance in Taiwan at a rotor RPM of 1331, he had reported that the first QEG he built back home achieved smooth resonance at 1450 RPM which he considered to be about mid power band and that the QEG will operate on harmonics.

Thanks and as lasersaber well puts it, let's keep experimenting.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 14, 2014, 02:55:30 AM
What kind of fun would be for him ;D

Well, fun is one thing, but fun at another person's expense is quite another thing, and I don't agree with that, and I will call that out because I don't like it.

Seriously, I don't mind since they have helped me in many ways over the years.

If you don't mind that type of behavior, that's okay with me (for you) that you don't mind that type of behavior; however, (not to be counter-oppositional to your position on that type of behavior) I do mind, and I will voice my opinion even if it's unpopular if I see something that I believe is objectionable, and I'm not referring to free energy or the like, I referring to the way we treat one another.

They are here for a reason


Good for them. I am here for a reason, too. I'm here to learn and share ideas, and I'm going to do that as I'm doing it now.

and we should allow them to voice their opinions

They may voice their opinions; however, I, too, will voice my opinions, especially, if I see something I find objectionable.

without objections.

If I have an objection, I will voice it and make it known without reservation.

If you don't agree we shouldn't bother arguing to make our point.

This is what I will agree to: "We are all free to agree or disagree, as we are all free to argue or to not argue, and I will make my choice as I see fit with respect to each particular circumstance."

We should use or time to experiment to try to prove what we believe to be.

Not only experimenting, but researching, writing, sharing ideas, networking and building, be that devices or friendships.

Believe it or not, they want the same thing you want!...

That may be so, and with that, I have no objection. It's how they achieve their ends that matters to me. If it's through attacking people and their ideas, then I will stand against them, and my voice shall be opposition to them.

they just won't believe it until they see all the tests done right and only then they will build it for them self for final proof.

All people are at different levels, and just because "they" want to see "it" be done a certain way, for me, that does not give them license to act in an objectionable manner. If they want to attack a person and their ideas, and they act on that desire, and if what they say is objectionable to me, I will stand up for mine and other people's right not to be attacked.

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 14, 2014, 04:06:45 AM
Missed you at the party VIDBID.

http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/#.U0tCEqLmyzo


Regards...


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 14, 2014, 04:43:12 AM
Missed you at the party VIDBID.

http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/#.U0tCEqLmyzo (http://www.overunity.com/14167/thread-for-naysayers-nitpickers-and-shills/#.U0tCEqLmyzo)


Regards...

Why didn't you first offer the same invitation to the person who attacked me?

Be that as it may, whether this QEG technology is valid or not, and only time and effort will tell, no one can dispute that the people of this planet need an energy technology that will not end up destroying the planet. In fact, it may already be too late, and this discussion is only academic.

But if you don't like drinking fracked water, breathing automotive exhaust air, or seeing a sky full of chemtrails, you might consider thinking outside of the box once in a while.

Regards,

VIDBID



 

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 14, 2014, 05:08:01 AM
The unfortunate thing is that the QEG group is demonstrating the same pattern that we have all seen many times over.  They clearly and unambiguously claimed that they have a free energy machine.  Then all of a sudden it's "in development" and replicators are welcome to tweak the design and adapt it for themselves.  It's the Internet age, you don't have to physically travel somewhere to demonstrate your concepts.  You can use Skype and email.  The people promoting this idea seem to have limited technical abilities.  Let's assume the majority of the replication teams will be amateurs, and the replicators will go down dozens or hundreds of blind alleyways and do crazy nonsensical variations because they don't know what they are doing.

The system has been claimed to work, outputting 4 kilowatts. But no details were provided about the output voltage and current of the device itself, what transformer or transformers they may have used, and what the actual 4 kilowatt load was.  How come this was not described and the guy that built it didn't say something like, "We used a 10 KVA 10:1 step-down transformer, and built a metal frame to hold 40 100-watt light bulbs, etc, etc.  How come there is no picture of this apparatus?  It's a lot of work to make a load bank to dissipate 4 kilowatts.  Hey, for all I know they could have used toasters and make toast while they ran their test.  I would like to see a picture of of the toasters and all of the data.

The point being that if you are going to actually claim you ran this setup let's say with a motor that drew 500 watts, and you output 4 kilowatts into a load, the first question you should be asking the QEG people is for full details on this test including measurements, video clips, pictures, a description of what was done, the actual data, and so on.

I don't hear any of you guys asking for this data.  It's like you have put on your special tunnel vision blinders and will simply expect it to work - like magic.  You are here to research free energy and you are building things all the time, and yet no one that I am aware of is asking for the hard core details about the 4 kilowatt test.

On one hand, everything about this one seems groovy and flexible and people are free to try different configurations, and yet when you try to replicate other free energy propositions that fail, you are told that you didn't do the replication exactly.  If you didn't use the exact same wire with precisely the same number of turns on the exact same core, then it won't work and you can't blame the inventor, only yourself for failing to replicate.

Those are some of the pieces to the puzzle.  The problem for many of you is that you have seen this puzzle before.  All of the signs in the latest puzzle point in the direction that says it's won't work, because you have seen it all before.  You have seen dozens and dozens of "coil resonance plays" and they never work.  Resonance is not magic and only represents the storage of energy put into the resonating system from a source, like a battery.  Resonance is not and will never be an innate source of energy itself.  You have all been through this over and over and over.

So from my perspective, I am just waiting for the tears to start falling.  Lots of groups will be burnt out, dismayed, and unhappy after spending a few hundred hours and getting nowhere.  Reality is going to hurt them and it's going to bite HopeGirl in the ass.

You guys can do whatever you want and make some tests and I may comment in the genuine spirit of trying to help you.  Meanwhile, the impending disaster of irate groups of replicators, many of them presumably not familiar with the whole free energy forums and all that, they are going to be one group of pissed off people that want results.

This appears to be nothing more than exciting coils into resonance.  The coils are just resonating and waiting for either more energy to be put into them from an outside source, or they will be drained of energy and the resonant amplitude will decrease.  That's all there is to it, there is no magic anywhere, it's nothing more than basic rudimentary electronics.

Let's all watch the show.

MileHigh


 They have clearly stated the voltage and the amps for the device. 2-4k volts at 5-10 amps. But it depends on the configuration which they are working on. Do you not watch the videos I and others have posted?


 No magic huh? You tell me anyone and I mean anyone that can get power from nothing more then coils on the field cores and just a normal rotor with no magnets or coils on that? The input is mechanical only, so you tell me?


 Just stop already you made your opinion very clear. You state falsely that they have not given the information but yet we have shown the videos explaining the process and the numbers they have done so far. You get others riled up over semantics and BS crap like lying about them not giving the numbers.


 So now it is in your ballpark LIAR. Prove that they didn't give the numbers because they have very clearly stated the number they are getting currently and the numbers they had gotten with the prototype. It's time to put up or shut up! LIAR

 Reference video.. Now this one doesn't go into to much detail but he talks about what they are seeing now and the kind of ideas they have gotten from the discovery process..
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/226-update-april-13-from-the-qeg-team-in-taiwan

 Watch the friken thing and see for yourself.

 Here is a prediction for you. When this starts to ramp up are you gonna tell us your address so we can come congratulate you in person of what a jerk you are?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 14, 2014, 06:20:49 AM
The unfortunate thing is that the QEG group is demonstrating the same pattern that we have all seen many times over.

What are you talking about? From Timothy Thrapp's statements in 2009, it is apparent that the QEG at WITTS Ministries was built sometime 25 years ago. We only finding out how it works now from James, who gave us the construction plans this year, free and to everybody.

So, I must completely disagree with your statement.

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 14, 2014, 06:21:47 AM
Jbignes5:

You can start by toning down the rhetoric.  You don't need to portray this bad ass Marlon Brando character from The Wild One.  It's ridiculous.

I am not aware of any specific details about driving the 4 kilowatt load, are you?

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They have clearly stated the voltage and the amps for the device. 2-4k volts at 5-10 amps.

Yeah, that represents power output between 10 kilowatts and 40 kilowatts.  Please give me the link where they show how they measured this power output.

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No magic huh? You tell me anyone and I mean anyone that can get power from nothing more then coils on the field cores and just a normal rotor with no magnets or coils on that? The input is mechanical only, so you tell me?

I will believe it when I see a) three independent replications by outside parties not associated with HopeGirl and her organization were everything is properly documented and credible, and b) proper validation by a real engineering test lab run by professionals that will sign off on the setup and measurements.

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So now it is in your ballpark LIAR.

We are going to make something perfectly clear right now.  I have read you and debated you over time.  Don't stick your fingers into technical matters with respect to electronics.  The reason for that is that you don't possess the knowledge to make any comments.  You barely have a clue with respect to electronics and you don't have the slightest clue how a coil actually works.  Your comments and suggestions to people about their circuits are nothing more than random pot-shots and once in a while you might get lucky and hit the side of a barn.  Most of the time they are wild misses that don't even make sense.

You got that?  If you want to provide support and motivation to any replicators that's fine.  But for electronics stuff, keep your hands in your pockets and look at the blinking lights, but no more that that.  A foolish, ignorant, or stupid comment from you could cause someone to get a nasty shock because some people may end up playing with high voltage.

Good, now people are fully aware of your limitations and if you were wise you would govern yourself in a way that reflects your limitations.

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Here is a prediction for you. When this starts to ramp up are you gonna tell us your address so we can come congratulate you in person of what a jerk you are?

My prediction is that this is not going to have a happy ending.  If I win do you want a bad-ass leather jacket to compenssate for your unhappiness?

From now on I expect you to be civil with me.  Refrain from making whackadoo electronics suggestions because you don't know what you are talking about.  I am perfectly willing to be civil with you.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 14, 2014, 06:26:55 AM
Vidbid:

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What are you talking about? From Timothy Thrapp's statements in 2009, it is apparent that the QEG at WITTS Ministries was built sometime 25 years ago.

The general concensus on this forum for years from nearly everyone, and I mean everyone, is that WITTS Ministries and Timothy Thrapp are scammers.  They are considered to be low-brow money suckers that have never demonstrated anything credible.

If you don't believe me feel free to ask around.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 14, 2014, 06:30:01 AM
Vidbid:

The general concensus on this forum for years from nearly everyone, and I mean everyone, is that WITTS Ministries and Timothy Thrapp are scammers.  They are considered low-brow money suckers that have never demonstrated anything credible.

If you don't believe me feel free to ask around.

MileHigh


YOU ARE WRONG. You have no permission to speak on my behalf. You seemed to assume everyone thinks you are smart but reality is most people 'avoid' you because you're contentious and a empty vessel. Try to learn something about yourself.


cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 14, 2014, 06:36:55 AM
No, ChrisC, I am RIGHT, I have read it hundreds of times by many posters.  I guess "nearly everyone" doesn't include you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 14, 2014, 06:37:51 AM
Having met Timothy Thrapp in person, and as well as having feedback from other engineers and investors who have also met him over many years, I can assure you that none of us ever saw or was convinced in anyway he had any overunity devices. The generator has or never will be demonstrated to have "overunity or excess power"
It is therefore a flawed assumption to think think they could replicate or base their technology on a flawed design.

I admire the efforts of the people in Taiwan, I do not approve of claims of overunity...especially when it comes to raising funds that have never been demonstrated to work. There is a difference between speculating and claiming.

I have seen many efforts like this over many years from magnetic motors, self running HHO gensets, water powered vehicles,Papp engines, gravity devices and in some cases people devoting over 20 years of their lives. None ever succeeded.
I have no beef with them going ahead doing what they enjoy doing, I wish them every success, but no claims, words or arguments will ever convince or the greater community they have anything of any value unless it can be demonstrated, not speculated about in acceptable manner.
http://revolution-green.com/quantum-energy-generator-taiwan-update/ (http://revolution-green.com/quantum-energy-generator-taiwan-update/)


Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 14, 2014, 06:47:40 AM
Having met Timothy Thrapp in person, and as well as having feedback from other engineers and investors who have over many years, I can assure you that none of us ever saw or was convinced in anyway he had any overunity devices. The generator has or never will be demonstrated to have "overunity or excess power"
I admire the efforts of the people in Taiwan, I do not approve of claims of overunity...especially when it comes to raising funds.
I have seen many efforts like this over many years from magnetic motors, self running HHO gensets, water powered vehicles,Papp engines, gravity devices and in some cases people devoting over 20 years of their lives. None ever succeeded.
I have no beef with them going ahead doing what they enjoy doing, I wish them every success, but no claims, words or arguments will ever convince or the greater community they have anything of any value unless it can be demonstrated, not speculated about in acceptable manner.
http://revolution-green.com/quantum-energy-generator-taiwan-update/ (http://revolution-green.com/quantum-energy-generator-taiwan-update/)


Kind Regards
Mark


Don't be so sure Mark. I admire your persistence in verifying details and you should. Let's just sit tight and wait. If people can't understand this electro-mechanical resonance is different from their grandfather's way of pursuing O.U via magnets and other torroids, then they just need to be patient and wait. The core construction is not something that can be done by normal builders but people with specialized equipment maybe able to construct it once further improvement details are available.
cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on April 14, 2014, 08:15:23 AM

 Farmhand,


 The inductances have only a part in the whole machine. What they are saying is the high voltage comes from the Steel as a piezo type effect. Don't know if I agree but that is the source of the voltage. The coils then boost that voltage. The switching of the inductances only is used to route the voltage after it is picked up and is a guide for magnetic forces after the process starts.. Of course after the magnetics start shortcutting and cutting the coil it runs in resonance. The extra generation is from the magnetic field being channeled into the rotor then going into various portions of the toroid. But I will have to look at it way more closely to understand the basic function.


 This is very familiar isn't it Farmhand? The only difference I can see from this and my angle is that they don't have a central Coil on the rotor to pull off Current from the magnetic portion of the device that travels along the rotor. Oh wait the system I was looking at uses two phases and is actively driven from a magneto. With the prime mover already integrated into this system you won't have switching problems like they are having.

Here's what I think, It won't hurt to build such an arrangement somewhat smaller but make it so that it can be used as an isolation transformer or can be overwound for a step down converter or even used as a regular motor or generator if the QEG fails to work.

I already have made one and partially made another toroidal transformer with coils wound on the four quadrants, I made mine with good core insulation and wound the thousands of turns of 0.5 mm wire neatly by hand with home made saturated bees wax paper in between each layer, with mine I wound a pair of 1 mm wire coils for one layer right on the core first so I can use it as an inverter transformer.

Anyway the point is that such a core and coil set would still be useful to have.

It took me a long time to make them because I did it all by hand, I used induction motor laminated steel from a 8.5 kw motor and cut the pole projections off the individual core plates using metal shears (which did a neat job) but I only used about 20 mm of plates when I should have used about 100 mm then the core would be 100 mm wide and 30 mm radial depth, which would work better for a motor or generator because a wider rotor can be used but not so important for a transformer or converter.

It could probably take the high voltage because of how I made it.

If I used the one I have I could get the spacer blocks to be only about 10 to 15 mm between the coils with a rotor and block width of 40 mm or so it would have an overall core diameter of 220 mm, the smaller the device though, the lower the inductance and that would require a higher frequency/rotor speed.

If I seen any reason to believe it works I would build one. But there is no evidence, only claims or promises or observations whatever they be referred to as. There is reference to two Tesla patents but no Technical explanation as to how these Tesla devices produced OU (which they didn't and were never claimed to by Tesla) or any explanation to even how the Tesla patents actually relate to the device.

Consider this, even if a person was to build a good replication and showed hours of video of it not working and thousands of words explaining what has been done and tried and that it still does not work, it would make little difference to anything.

Cheers

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 14, 2014, 10:39:05 AM
..concensus on this forum..

When did technology start regarding people's opinions?

..have never demonstrated anything credible.

Would that include the two demonstrations of the WITTS generator in videos they produced and of which the current QEG's design is based?

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Chill Pill
Post by: Jimboot on April 14, 2014, 10:55:29 AM
Hi guys,
can I request we take a chill pill here with the name calling on both sides of the fence. Text arguments lead nowhere. Let's stick to data, theories, experiments.
For my part I've seen no real data from FTW. Why? I have no idea but they have lost me.
The work that Luc, Laurent & Gyula are doing though is fascinating and with data. TK & MH - any chance you blokes can be a little less abrasive? I know it must be bloody frustrating when you see us preschoolers in the field make ridiculous assumptions at times but Gyula, Mags et al are able to point out our flaws with a little less ridicule :)
Guys on the FTW side of the fence any chance you can be a little less effusive & look at how Luc handles himself. It will make this thread a lot easier to read.
Thanks

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 14, 2014, 11:05:34 AM
..as well as having feedback from other engineers and investors who have also met him over many years, I can assure you that none of us ever saw or was convinced in anyway he had any overunity devices.

Yes, but does that sample of engineers and investors include any of the people in WITTS Ministries' overunity independent verifications videos?

Those can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/user/WITTS2014

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 14, 2014, 11:20:25 AM
http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:04:10#German_Group_achieves_QEG_resonance
Is their support voltage capacitors, because if they have a big quality factor in series  it may be causing the decrease is due to the fact that the capacitors will not longer support a certain voltage.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gyulasun on April 14, 2014, 12:39:21 PM
Hi all

Just tried something after Gyula information on the Russian(Lanarev )  paper from 1934 , where a crossing alu plate. decreases the inductance of 2 facing coil.

And it seems that by variation of inductance, Increasing it or decreasing it, generate some electricity

And  , by doing it, also seems not to submitted to Lenz    perhaps    ???

My 2 cents

http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k (http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k)

laurent

Hi Laurent,

The question of Lenz (though it is not easy) could be figured out from the Lazarev paper,  PDF page 6,  where Foucault current is mentioned: it is eddy current which is induced in the rotating Aluminium plate, just like as Alu disks are used in utility electric power meters.     Quote from page 6:
"The aggregate loss data, via self-induction, represents the total loss in the winding, the iron cores used, and the disk. It then becomes especially necessary to address the question of losses originating in the disk. The role of the disk consists of putting energy into the system. The Foucault currents along the disk’s teeth, which interact with the currents of the coils, causes the teeth to be pushed out from the group of coils. In other words, a tooth “standing” in between coils does not convert energy, and pushing “against” the coils is labile and does convert energy. Hence while the teeth are standing in between the coils, the system possesses an energy minimum, while the in the second position a maxima. When transitioning from the first stance (in between coils) to the second, we expend mechanical energy, and obtain operation E1. And backward, at the next transition, from a labile equilibrium in a non-convertible system would be to return energy E2. The total amount of energy that had been acquired during the system’s transition from the first equilibrium stage to that left by the second stage will be equal to  ΔE = E1 - E2  > 0.   This equation is enacted due to the establishment of a corresponding phase of the position between coil current and a standing disk in space. On the other hand, the disk is a main constituent of the entire vibrating system, and we should not import to it greater current losses, as the requirement of self-excitation (Equation 3 in page 2) otherwise will not be satisfied. In other words, the
relaxation time of the disk should not be less than a certain [specified] quantity."     Unquote


I figure that instead of using Alu disk with teeth, perhaps using flat ferrite rods placed radially onto a non magnetic disk (I mean the flat AM antenna ferrite pieces used in pocket AM radio receivers, often called 'loopstick') so that the alternating gaps and flat ferrite-ends at the outer perimeter of the rotor disk could also change the inductance of the facing coils BUT with a minimal eddy current loss.  I know this is a more expensive solution than the cheap Alu disk but eddy loss is not our friend... At ebay there are such flat ferrite rods and no need for long ferrite pieces, the size is defined by the gap siize (cross section of the facing coil cores)
Using laminated core in the gap may sound also good but one has to consider the direction of the flux hitting the laminations in a normal transformer and in such setups: perhaps the eddy loss increases in such setups

The use of flat ferrite pieces is a suggestion of course, not aimed to do by you or someone else, I just think to avoid or minimize
eddy current losses and actually what is needed for changing periodically the inductance of coils is to cause permeability change, hence L inductance change in the tank coils at a minimal loss level possible. 


For those not yet read the Lazarev paper, here is the link, and choose paper #3 "On Hetero-Parametric Excitation": http://www.nedyn.com/para.html 

Gyula

PS: Laurent, if I noticed it correctly, you left the L meter on the coils when you run the rotor disk? this may influence the induced oscillating level across your tank coils.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 14, 2014, 01:42:11 PM
Quote
Just tried something after Gyula information on the Russian(Lanarev )  paper from 1934 , where a crossing alu plate. decreases the inductance of 2 facing coil.
It's good to know that, maybe it would mean that the energy is stored in the alu plate like a sort of capacitor.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 14, 2014, 01:55:33 PM
The only question is that in these conditions the generator that feeds the input is easier or as easy to turn that than without the alu plate?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 14, 2014, 02:27:51 PM
Yes, but does that sample of engineers and investors include any of the people in WITTS Ministries' overunity independent verifications videos?

Those can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/user/WITTS2014 (http://www.youtube.com/user/WITTS2014)

Regards,

VIDBID
Those video's are a joke and none of those demonstrations could be reproduced live for any visiting engineers, scientists and more importantly investors. Videos are never accepted as evidence. I have seen videos faked that even fooled highly qualified engineers, nothing like a third party validation or live demonstration.
Kind Regards
Mark


PS
why does someone not ask a simple question of Witts or the QEG team, have they got something that can demonstrate overunity????? lol
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 14, 2014, 03:37:00 PM
Hi all

Just tried something after Gyula information on the Russian(Lanarev )  paper from 1934 , where a crossing alu plate. decreases the inductance of 2 facing coil.

And it seems that by variation of inductance, Increasing it or decreasing it, generate some electricity

And  , by doing it, also seems not to submitted to Lenz    perhaps    ???

My 2 cents

http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k (http://youtu.be/gukCFm81K7k)

laurent

Merci Laurent,

great video demo!

believe it or not, 5 years ago I discovered a coils inductance could be reduce with Aluminum.  I never thought of a practical application ::)

Thanks for your demo

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 14, 2014, 04:31:36 PM
I know how much dificult is to lift an alter of 15 kg to 1 meter in one second with only one hand, so if somebody could produce better more than 15 joules per second with a sort of electric machine with is hand without any dificulty to turn the generator, he won.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced
Post by: gotoluc on April 14, 2014, 05:27:09 PM
gotoluc:

I really appreciate all of your experimental efforts and sharing of your results.  I think many more than you're aware of benefit from the work you openly share.  We learn something from every experiment whether we conduct it ourselves or if it is conducted by someone else who provides the configuration, test protocol and the data needed to replicate the experiment like you do.  You learn whether your results are as you expected or not.  Richard Feynman put it best: The test of all knowledge is experiment.

Your builds are professional and you stand out because you like to confirm things for yourself without letting negative comments deter you from your experimental work.  At times both sides resort to sniping, name calling and sarcasm that is not constructive, it discourages those of us that may have something productive to contribute.  Yet you remain open minded to glean what you can from both sides, bravo!  Kudos to woopy too!  You can't beat hands-on experimental work to learn while enjoying the building experience, but even though both sides have something positive to contribute you do sometimes have to filter out the unproductive background noise.

I'm encouraged by your open and objective approach to post an idea that I had which also makes use of microwave oven transformer cores and would like to know what you think.  I'm attaching a drawing that I made of a QEG Experimental Test Unit to test the effects by utilizing 2 or 3 MOT cores.  I think it would eliminate the flexing problem you're having while bringing it closer to the original QEG toroid design and allows use of bobbins to test with different coil configurations.  One unit design requires three MOT E core pieces of the same size to maintain the same rotor dimensions and other rotor designs would only require two MOTs because one of the left over I core pieces would be used to make two variations of a rotor at the more narrow width of the I core piece.  Some core machining would be required but it may be worth a try.

Also wanted to point out that James Robitaille stated in the recently posted PESN video interview at the 28:00 minute mark that he tested his QEG configuration at the lower frequencies that you're testing at but found that the QEG growled and beat itself up and he didn't think it would last so he stayed away from the low RPMs.  In the QEG Taiwan Update video that was posted today at the 13:00 minute mark James Robitaille states that he is still using a primary LC capacitance of 0.125uF and achieved smooth resonance in Taiwan at a rotor RPM of 1331, he had reported that the first QEG he built back home achieved smooth resonance at 1450 RPM which he considered to be about mid power band and that the QEG will operate on harmonics.

Thanks and as lasersaber well puts it, let's keep experimenting.

Thanks Rfacts for taking the time to write and share your ideas.

It looks to be a good idea. A machine shop service would be needed to cut the circular shapes.  Also, I don't know if you're aware but cutting steel laminations that are already together in a block is not as easy as some may think.  It needs to be held tight in a vice while cutting, if not, the fine metal filling will work their way in between laminations  and your core will look like particle board that got wet.
I would say it would be well worth the investment if we could confirm the effect.
Myself, I have zero income, so I can't do much more then use what I have on hand. My simple test device cost me a $16. part (chain gear) the rest I recycled from things I had.
If someone is willing to pay for the transformers, machining, bearings, shaft, side supports pulleys and belt I'm willing to put my time in for free.

I know about what James Robitaille stated but so far I have not found the correct capacitance to get a powerful resonance effect at a higher frequency. I can't use the uf value he used because my Inductance 12 Henry is lower than his 40 Henry. I'll keep trying and post if I find anything new.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 14, 2014, 05:46:29 PM
Those video's are a joke..

That's why I said the people. Clearly, the people who show their faces in those videos at http://www.witts.ws/verifications/ aren't a joke.

However, I will concede that the following video appears to be a joke IMHO, and granted, that doesn't help WITTS' credibility.

http://youtu.be/vCbZ3CRWx7I (http://youtu.be/vCbZ3CRWx7I)

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 14, 2014, 06:03:07 PM
off topic.  skip if you want technical
Jbignes5:

We are going to make something perfectly clear right now.
MileHigh

you are the one making insults and attacks far above anything jbigness was doing.   

based on your statement above "We are going to make something perfectly clear right now"  it is now obvious what your problem is.   using "WE" is a sure sign of MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER.    It's either that or you just did the Freudian slip to let us know you are part of a group here to suppress all hopeful devices.   I'm not the only one that's observed this behaviour  MileHigh.  mayb time to see a therapist.
Title: Re: Chill Pill
Post by: e2matrix on April 14, 2014, 06:40:19 PM
Hi guys,
can I request we take a chill pill here with the name calling on both sides of the fence. Text arguments lead nowhere. Let's stick to data, theories, experiments.
For my part I've seen no real data from FTW. Why? I have no idea but they have lost me.
The work that Luc, Laurent & Gyula are doing though is fascinating and with data. TK & MH - any chance you blokes can be a little less abrasive? I know it must be bloody frustrating when you see us preschoolers in the field make ridiculous assumptions at times but Gyula, Mags et al are able to point out our flaws with a little less ridicule :)
Guys on the FTW side of the fence any chance you can be a little less effusive & look at how Luc handles himself. It will make this thread a lot easier to read.
Thanks
I tend to agree to an extent and although MH and TK and some others often have valid knowledge to share and seem to want to 'protect' people from wasting money on something they believe is not free energy look at it this way.   If their biggest concern is to save people from losing some money what is the other side of the coin??   

   My biggest concern is that some little different combination of physical setups and/or electronics that has not been tried in just the right way will be missed, lost and forgotten forever because people were swayed to believe it wasn't worth trying.    To assume that everything has been tried already is ridiculous.   There is nearly an infinite combination of designs any one of which could end up breaking the damn holding back free energy.    That is why I believe the people trying to save a few from what they believe is wasting time and money need to see the other side of this and realize what is most important here.    If we simply go by what most engineers believe we won't even be trying to find free energy. 
   
   This is really about SAVING THE ENTIRE WORLD here from planet destroying methods now being used to generate power.   So what if a few people blow their last dollars trying something that didn't work.   If even one of them does work and gets into widespread use than we have saved an entire planet from eventual self destruction. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on April 14, 2014, 07:26:40 PM
"WE" is a sure sign of MULTIPLE PERSONALITY DISORDER.   
That was a cheap shot, that has nothing to do with science.
MileHigh was talking on behalf of all scientists and engineers, including myself.

"WE" did not include loose minds like JBignes5 that are driven by emotions instead of experience, logic and analytical thinking.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 14, 2014, 08:46:33 PM
Some pages back I suggested not to bother arguing your views.

It continued just the same!... one even argued my suggestion ???

Pages later of proving your points it has not changed a single thing!!!

Why?....because, you are powerless to change or control others. For every action you take there will be a reaction.
Have you not yet understood this basic principal applies everywhere?  This has always been and will continue to be. You cannot stop it by any actions!.... if you argue in a cave and you hear echo, can you stop it? ... only if you shut up :o

Notice this is a non action but if you were a cave man you could go on for a while before you could come to understand how to stop it.

You can only teach by example. So, if you don't want arguments then don't argue. It's that simple.

How was one single man able to enlighten the British Empire that it would be best for them to leave India?.... by actions, attacks and terrorism?
When you understand and practice the world will transform.

I'll leave it up to you and will accept the path you chose as I know all roads will eventually lead to the same place.

Luc
Title: Re: Chill Pill
Post by: e2matrix on April 14, 2014, 10:58:33 PM
Luc,  I understand what you are saying but did you read my own post I've quoted below?   The biggest problem is when knowledgeable sounding people say it can't work (even though they haven't tried it) others are SWAYED to believe it is not worth trying.   Thus the one person who may have got the right MIX for free energy never tried and it is LOST and FORGOTTEN possibly FOREVER leaving our planet to continue on it's path to eventual self destruction from dirty coal, oil and nuclear power.   I think THAT is worth countering the naysayers.   

I tend to agree to an extent and although MH and TK and some others often have valid knowledge to share and seem to want to 'protect' people from wasting money on something they believe is not free energy look at it this way.   If their biggest concern is to save people from losing some money what is the other side of the coin??   

   My biggest concern is that some little different combination of physical setups and/or electronics that has not been tried in just the right way will be missed, lost and forgotten forever because people were swayed to believe it wasn't worth trying.    To assume that everything has been tried already is ridiculous.   There is nearly an infinite combination of designs any one of which could end up breaking the damn holding back free energy.    That is why I believe the people trying to save a few from what they believe is wasting time and money need to see the other side of this and realize what is most important here.    If we simply go by what most engineers believe we won't even be trying to find free energy. 
   
   This is really about SAVING THE ENTIRE WORLD here from planet destroying methods now being used to generate power.   So what if a few people blow their last dollars trying something that didn't work.   If even one of them does work and gets into widespread use than we have saved an entire planet from eventual self destruction.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 14, 2014, 11:06:19 PM
Just wanted to add since this is a fairly hot topic that we have a full moon (Blood moon even) coming tomorrow night.   Ask any cop who has been around awhile how domestic violence increases during full moons.   I mention this because it seems things are heating up a bit in here so try to keep it civil.   that means you too steeltpu. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 15, 2014, 12:15:31 AM
Gentlemen:

I am not interested in any conflicts.  Based on what I observed from the beginning, I rendered my opinion.  Then the other day I made a long posting that was basically an editorial.  I lamented the fact that no proper measurements were made and that nobody speaks up about things like that.  If you guys don't demand a certain bare minimum of evidence when people present their free energy propositions, then this vicious circle will never stop.  I have said my piece, there is no need to repeat it.  I do not want to be an "issue" on this thread, the issue is the QEG and if it will ever come to fruition.

So I offer to help Luc and Woopy.  I raise the issue of checking for any remnant magnetism in the setup because if there is any remnant magnetism then the setup by definition will be a generator before you even make the first test.  I get beat down for suggesting the test.  Then I suggest using a compass to check for remnant magnetism and I get accused of trying to suggest a fake test that is a setup to fail.  It's not true and I post the proper test.  I use the word "we" and I am accused of having a multiple personality.  I am only human, and I can't know about all of the information about the QEG project.  I mention the 4 kilowatt output test and lack of information about it and I am accused of being a liar.  That crossed a line for me.

This is all ridiculous.  I am not an issue here and I have no desire whatsoever to be an issue.

Now, if in a week or two, somebody posts a video clip and claims over unity and the measurements aren't even done or they are done improperly, I may post that observation.  But it shouldn't only be me, you guys should be saying the same thing.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 15, 2014, 01:20:27 AM
MH,  I think you know this but I'll say it anyway.   The idea behind the QEG is that it will be self running once it is started and flipped over to it's own power without any batteries needed or external power.   So as far as measurements go they won't really be needed once they have a fully working QEG video up it will be obvious there is free energy if it can run itself and even power one light bulb.    The only need for measurement of output would be to let us know how much is available to run external devices. 
    If you are instead referring to the tests some people are doing here to validate the basic concept then yes correct measurements are needed.
    Having seen the latest QEG update video though it seems they have found the resonance point starts producing by far the most output when using higher voltage.  He was talking 500-600 volts or more with the likely greater output power coming at 1000 to 2000 volts.   The output then needs to be stepped down with a transformer or high voltage inverter.   So they have a few new challenges in regards to winding insulation to handle the higher voltages and designing an inverter to step down to the correct voltage and frequency (which he indicated is not hard for an inverter company or engineer to design and something I believe he said he would try doing when he gets time).   
   After seeing that video I sense NO deception at all from the main engineer but rather concern for getting all the challenges resolved as quickly as possible.   Considering the amount of work and effort he is putting into this I find it hard to believe he would even have started this without thoroughly checking out what Witts or Thrapp had to make sure it was indeed a working device.    In the past I had concluded the Witts device built by Thrapp was possibly fake but I do not believe that is the case now. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rfacts on April 15, 2014, 01:23:27 AM
gotoluc:
Thanks for your input on the idea that I posted to test QEG effects, it's good to get technical and fabrication feedback from you and others.  It had not occurred to me that cutting/machining transformer cores will cause them to swell if laminates are not compressed tightly due to the fine metal fillings creeping in between laminations, good thing to know ahead of time to save time and material cost. 

In your recent videos we saw the high voltages that you generated with your MOT test setup and it was reported that high voltage arcing caused winding damage in Taiwan which required rewinding.  The primary winding capacitance is speced for 25kV and James Robitaille reported in the last Taiwan update video that they were now temporarily using a spark plug as a spark gap to protect this windings from arc damage.  He has also concluded that the right way to do it is to vacuum impregnate the windings of the QEG toroid to prevent the arc damage.  I state this because I have a real interest in learning more about this high voltage effect.  I'll PM you about any help I can provide you to conduct further testing.

Others With Technical Interest:
In a recent video James Robitaille states that he tried hundreds of capacitor combinations before he achieved high voltage at high RPM resonance, so no question this effect alone will be a challenge to replicate while testing with different cores, windings and configurations.  I'm interested in reviewing a detailed technical description from someone with good technical knowledge as to how this high voltage is build up and generated with no magnets, no rotor windings, and no external power based on the FTW QEG toroid configuration. 

I understand that residual/low level magnetism could play a role in combination with the primary resonant LC circuit (L=30-40H and C=0.125uF) but could parametric oscillation with the varying inductance parameter be playing a role in achieving 20+kV?  Is the high RPM required to generate short pulses which will abruptly collapse the field?  I'm also puzzled as to how the reported output frequency of ~400Hz is achieved with a single bar rotor and a 4 pole toroid at a rotor RPM of 1330-1450?  Is electrical resonance playing a greater role than mechanical action/resonance? 

No QEG data has been provided that would help explain the high voltage effect at the reported output frequency.  I see no alternative to better understand it than by way of experimental testing - and a good technical description of how the high 20+kV is generated would help us better understand it and the tuning involved thus also help replicate it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MoRo on April 15, 2014, 02:18:40 AM

The QEG is based upon Nikola Tesla's patent #511,916.


Therein, Tesla states:
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I have shown and described a form of engine invented by me, which, under the influence of an applied force such as the elastic tension of steam or a gas under pressure, yields an oscillation of constant period.


A spring or a pendulum, once set into oscillation, requires very little energy input to maintain an isochronous [Equal in duration or interval] oscillation.


Tesla worded it this way in his patent:
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It is a well known mechanical principle that if a spring possessing a sensible inertia be brought under tension, as by being stretched, and then freed, it will perform vibrations which are isochronous, and as to period, in the main, dependent upon the rigidity of the spring, and its own inertia or that of the system of which it may form an immediate part. This is known to be true in all cases where the force which tends to bring the spring or movable system into a given position is proportionate to the displacement.


Joseph Newman stated that his experiments proved to him that:
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Magnetic fields consist of particles which have mechanical characteristics.


I believe the above statement to be incorrect, only that it should be correctly stated in the following way:


Magnetic fields are formed by particles which have mechanical characteristics.


I believe atoms are those particles.


Newman also asserts the following:
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The prior teachings indicate that copper is non-magnetic and that the resulting magnetic field associated with current flow in copper is the result of the current. Those teachings are totally wrong. Copper is extremely magnetic! It is so magnetic that it deceives the observer.


This, I believe to be true. And furthermore, I also believe that it is atom alignment that has to do with any detectable magnetic polarity within a section of wire or core material.


It becomes evident that it is atomic alignment that causes a magnetic field during an applied voltage.
1.) During atomic realignment (from an applied voltage), a moving magnetic field can be detected until the atoms reach their tension point.
2.) If the voltage is slowly removed then the tension on the atoms is also gradually removed and the magnetic field can be seen to gradually collapse.
3.) If the voltage is inverted then one can detect the magnetic field polarity reversal. This means that the atoms are under tension in the opposite direction.


 NOW, HERE IS A KEY INGREDIENT THAT CAN MAKE THE PUZZLE COMPLETE.
4.) If the applied voltage is instantly removed from a coil of wire, then what happens?
 Does the magnetic field merely drop to zero?
or
 Does it oscillate between positive and negative polarities until it drops to zero?


If the latter is true then this means that the atoms and their alignment in a coil of copper wire or in a core ARE like a spring under tension! And, If this is true then merely finding and then resonating the atomic alignment of the spring-like atoms will produce an alternating magnetic field that will in turn produce an AC current.


A piece of steal will attract either pole of a magnet. It is easy to demonstrate how a bar magnet attached to its center-point by a spring can be made to oscillate by cyclically bringing a peace of steel near it each time the poles reverse in a pendulum-like motion.


Can the same be reproduced in a piece of core material with the individual atoms that it is made up of?


Food for thought!


Maybe someone out there can test this out.


MagnaMoRo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 02:40:37 AM
On the QEG from WITTS:

Electrical engineer's verification of WITTS technology:

http://youtu.be/MFrsn--7hxc

Jerry Thomas (JT)
EE Cal Poly
San Luis Obispo
California

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 15, 2014, 02:58:48 AM
Gentlemen:
I raise the issue of checking for any remnant magnetism in the setup because if there is any remnant magnetism then the setup by definition will be a generator before you even make the first test. 

MileHigh

So MileHigh,

are you thinking the QEG puts out power without any magnetisum?
I don't think it's the case, not from my tests device anyways.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 15, 2014, 03:52:46 AM
E2matrix:

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So as far as measurements go they won't really be needed once they have a fully working QEG video up it will be obvious there is free energy if it can run itself and even power one light bulb.    The only need for measurement of output would be to let us know how much is available to run external devices.

No, that is not true at all.  Nobody working on a bench would do that.  The very first thing they would want to do would be to measure the output.  All that they would have to do is step down the voltage and configure the right load resistor bank or use light bulbs.  Nothing should be taken for granted and there is no way in hell that the builder would not want to measure the output.  The problem is there is no documentation that I am aware of about a build and related measurements.

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He was talking 500-600 volts or more with the likely greater output power coming at 1000 to 2000 volts.

Just seeing a voltage waveform on your scope means nothing, and I assume that you are aware of that.  Have you ever been on a stage and stood near a 1000-watt incandescent light bulb?  You feel that power on your skin, it's actually intimidating.  10,000 watts is like a furnace.

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So they have a few new challenges in regards to winding insulation

The business about winding insulation is highly questionable and raises more doubts.   It's a toroidal core and if you wind progressively across the core there will be no issue about insulation breakdown because the potential difference between adjacent turns will not be that high.  On the other hand, if you don't know what you are doing and wind back and forth, layer on top of layer, then the potential difference between turns in close proximity could be very high and cause problems.  But if you were expecting high voltage from the coil and you knew what you were doing you would not make that mistake.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 15, 2014, 03:57:52 AM
Vidbid:

Here is the same engineer Jerry Thomas endorsing a "gravity motor."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45pafuCuIRY

For many people on this forum and elsewhere, that's like the kiss of death for this guy's credibility.  There is no such thing as gravity motors.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 04:26:37 AM
Gravity generator. Not my area of interest. However, Mark Dansie shot a video of the ZED aka Zydro Energy Device which is a gravity generator of sorts. However, the energy output is extremely low as compared to what the QEG is reported to output.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tKWpR0seK0A

It depends on the gravity generator JT is talking about. If he is talking about the ZED or something like it, then I don't necessarily believe that it would lessen his credibility.

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 15, 2014, 04:28:40 AM
Luc:

Quote
are you thinking the QEG puts out power without any magnetisum?
I don't think it's the case, not from my tests device anyways.

Isn't the premise for this alleged system that there are no magnets on the spinning rotor and some metal arms of the rotor pass by some coils that can be brought into resonance?

I suspect that a small amount of residual magnetism, no matter how small, will start off by inducing current to flow in the LC tank circuit.  Then the presence of current flow will facilitate the passing rotor inducing even more current to flow.  In other words the current flow allows the system to bootstrap itself.  At resonance then the voltage amplitude can indeed get very high.  This is just a theory.

One possibility is that at resonance when driving a light bulb load to high brightness (like we see in a clip), the rotor and the coils in resonance are acting like a crude inefficient transformer.  It's the motor that is supplying the mechanical energy that couples into the resonant LC tank circuit that drives the load.  It's just a mechanical-to-electrical transformer when you forget about the resonance.

It's possible when the resonance hits the electric motor gets significant back-torque from the resonant coils when the driving of the load kicks in.  It's almost like a car's manual transmission where the clutch is engaged and there is no power transfer.  The spining rotor is just "slipping" by the coils.  Then resonance hits, the voltage goes up, the light bulbs light up, and the clutch disengages and the rotor is not "slipping" by the coils anymore, the clutch is engaged.

What's the first thing I would do to start the investigation into this theory?  I would put a clamp-on ammeter on one of the wires of the electric motor and check the current draw before and after resonance hits and the light bulbs light up.  If you see the current draw take a jump up, that would tend to indicate the "electromagnetic clutch" theory.

There is a possibility that the electric motor they are using is big and beefy.  So between the motor and rotor's huge amount of stored rotational inertia, and the fact that if you ask the motor to put out torque it can do so without flinching - that can all add up to seeing resonance hit, the light bulbs light up, and the motor barely even flinching - it will sound exactly the same before and after resonance hits.

Now, in all the available QEG information out there right now, is there any discussion of making clamp-on measurements of the drive motor current consumption?   If there isn't any discussion or measurements, notice this has been open sourced for about a month now.   In my way of thinking you would have to be "insane" to not have measured the DRIVE MOTOR power consumption before and after resonance hits.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 15, 2014, 05:05:58 AM
Rfacts:

Quote
In a recent video James Robitaille states that he tried hundreds of capacitor combinations before he achieved high voltage at high RPM resonance

Can you provide a link to that clip?  If it's a very long clip can you indicate what time in the clip he states that?  It's an unusual statement so I would like to listen to it for myself.

Thanks,

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 15, 2014, 05:46:55 AM
Luc:

Isn't the premise for this alleged system that there are no magnets on the spinning rotor and some metal arms of the rotor pass by some coils that can be brought into resonance?

Yes, and it does that but once it starts to resonate and current starts building in the coils do you still think there is no magnetism in the cores?

I suspect that a small amount of residual magnetism, no matter how small, will start off by inducing current to flow in the LC tank circuit.  Then the presence of current flow will facilitate the passing rotor inducing even more current to flow.  In other words the current flow allows the system to bootstrap itself.  At resonance then the voltage amplitude can indeed get very high.  This is just a theory.

Good theory! it happens to coincide with what I think and part of what is going on in my test device. However, in mine, as current builds up so does the power requirement to my prime mover, to the point it will stop the rotor if the demand is too high as I limited the voltage an current the VFD is delivering. The 2hp motor I'm using is a 3 phase 600v and I set my VFD to deliver 200 volts at 1 amp max.

One possibility is that at resonance when driving a light bulb load to high brightness (like we see in a clip), the rotor and the coils in resonance are acting like a crude inefficient transformer.  It's the motor that is supplying the mechanical energy that couples into the resonant LC tank circuit that drives the load.  It's just a mechanical-to-electrical transformer when you forget about the resonance.

Could be,  and if that's the case I guess it's a rotary transformer.
We need a real live test with power measurements of input and output

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: cheappower2012 on April 15, 2014, 06:18:18 AM
Good theory Milehigh,remember the earth has a magnetic field ,weak but causes effects,this may or may not be a factor its just a thought.There is nothing to this device its hot air however the hype and spin is interesting.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 06:19:37 AM
Rfacts:

Can you provide a link to that clip?  If it's a very long clip can you indicate what time in the clip he states that?  It's an unusual statement so I would like to listen to it for myself.

Thanks,

MileHigh


http://youtu.be/2nTgfrjnZEY

If you scan through it long enough, you might find it.

 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 15, 2014, 07:13:04 AM
Those who've never been in the near vicinity of any
of these mysterious devices do indeed have a very
difficult time accepting that they may in fact be
possible.

They do exist and have been utilized by certain select
programs/agencies for a considerable time - several
decades.

What is essential to understand with respect to the
QEG is the difference between the resonance frequency
and the power output frequency.  The rotor achieves
four magnetic reversals across the output coils for each
revolution.  It would be very helpful to see a dual trace
oscilloscope display of both the resonant waveform and
the output waveform to make frequency and phase
measurements.

With the QEG even the slightest tiny bit of residual
magnetism is all that is necessary to begin the excitation
of the resonant components which will very quickly build
up to large magnitude oscillations at the proper rotational
frequency.  The resultant magnetic field is incredibly strong
at resonance and it should not saturate the material which
comprises the magnetic circuit or path.

Parametric amplification?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on April 15, 2014, 09:29:34 AM
4.) If the applied voltage is instantly removed from a coil of wire, then what happens?
 Does the magnetic field merely drop to zero?
or
 Does it oscillate between positive and negative polarities until it drops to zero?
Neither.
This scenario represents an RL circuit.  In such circuit, the magnetic flux generated by the coil gradually decreases to zero (or never decreases if the coil is superconducting).
Oscillations occur only when this coil is combined with a capacitance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rfacts on April 15, 2014, 11:21:04 AM
MileHigh:
I've watched all of the videos that I found related to the QEG and think the capacitor comment I was referring to was made in the video that vidbid posted above or the recent PESN QED interview video.  I spot checked these two videos where I thought the comment was made but did not find it, these 2 videos alone are about 2 1/2 hours long, I'll let you know if I come across it again.  I should have been more clear about the context in which that comment was stated.  From what I recall the comment about trying so many capacitor combinations was due to the limited number of film capacitor values at the 2000V rating, the series parallel combinations that were used, testing at different resonance frequencies to find the optimum output power and attempting to run at 50 and 60Hz to avoid having to use an output inverter.  Some transcribed Q&A sessions with James Robitaille were posted on the FTW QED Forum web site, this is a question and answer that refers to the QEG as a variable frequency generator:

Q: What is responsible for that freq? Differently asked: what should/could be changed in the design if we want to change that freq?
A: Briefly, there are 2 main components in setting the frequency: the electrical resonance and the mechanical resonance. This is actually a variable frequency generator so changing capacitor value changes electrical resonant frequency and rpm where resonance is reached.

Question for you.  Is a film capacitor typically required for this type of application, if so why?  It has been stated that the QEG primary and secondary are operating at 400Hz and that the primary capacitance needs to withstand 24kV, so in final circuit 12 capacitors rated at 2kV each are connected in series.  In the FTW QEG User Manual the capacitance value in the schematic is listed as 1.5uF 2kV each for a total of 0.125uF but listed in the parts list and description in the same manual as 2.5uF 2kV for total capacitance of 0.208uF.  I'm primarily asking in reference to replicating the QEG high voltage effect because 1nF and 10nF 30kV ceramic capacitors that can be connected in parallel and series combination for the same total capacitance and higher voltage rating can be found on eBay for a much lower cost.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 15, 2014, 12:14:27 PM



 “ It’s not up to us to prove the technology works, we gave it away, open sourced it, and it’s up to the engineers and the people to make it work.” HopeGirl


I rest my case. For those of you who are spending a lot of money and time on this replication, please bear in mind the plans given to you for free do not work as claimed. I wish you all the best.


Kind Regards
Mark Dansie
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wattsup on April 15, 2014, 02:55:12 PM
@woopy

Saw your youtube. Good experiment. Maybe try rotating your disk so it only cuts one end of the u cores and not both. I think you are just creating cancellation and that's why you see no difference on the feed specs.

Also, maybe consider trying this. With the C cores facing each other, put one or more magnets in between one end where both will meet and hold together to produce a O shape with a slit open for the rotor to turn between. hehehe That would be a good trial just to push more out-of-the-box.

@gotoluc

I left you a post at OUR, Maybe take a read and let me know.

Listen, this QEG is doing what? Producing volts. Just use a Tesla coil and it will do the same thing.

Basically if this QEG requires anything that will rotate, what do you think will be the outcome. Moving a piece of iron to produce an electromagnet, and then we all wonder why it seizes.

My gut tells me this is a group of people that embarked on a build, went a little overboard on costs, did not get the results and now they are trying to recoup as much as they can by convincing others to chime in with some money to get "starter plans" of something that does not work. Chime in on what?

I was in a Quebec group of motor/generator/gearing guys and we spent 250K to find out certain methods won't work. hahaha. We did not afterwards go public to offer to sell the tech slating it as "for further development".

My own hint when planning to make big builds, first establish a small R&D business. I have three companies, two that are in my specialty of water treatment and the third I use only for R&D. All my R&D expenses go into that company and the capital just grows and grows. If I close the company tomorrow, I can get 50% of the capital as personal tax credit. If I use the company to make a big profit on something (it has to be big), then after paying a corporate tax of 20% I can then take all the capital I put in right back into my pocket non-taxable. One day, if I ever decide to actually pay myself a salary for R&D, the Canadian Government will pay me back 50% of that. hahaha

The QEG will work miracles when one day, we find a way to make that piece of iron approach the MOT then disappear. But that is not possible in the foreseeable future. The only other way I can think of is explained at OUR.

The solution I am proposing to you at OUR is to try and push the idea into a more realistic and especially a more out-of-the-box approach. Imagine a huge core having a coil of 20-40 Henries or so, just moving the plate in and out not even at a very fast speed should produce some good output that could be capped and then really be usable. Is it OU, don't know but it has a much better shot at working then turning a wheel.

But as soon as you start playing the rotation game, you are stuck with the progressive rise, peak, progressive fall and during all that time, you are setting up the electromagnetic demise because the approaching iron generates the jail it then gets caught in.

The other main problem with your testing versus QEG is leverage. Since your I core is at the outside of a rotating system, a drag of 1 between the I and E core will be transfered to the motor as a drag of 10 (as an example). So just a slight seizing at the outer end of the rotation will produce great drag force on the motor. That's leverage and the way it is set-up, it is working against you.

The QEG on the other hand has the rotor plates close to the shaft so the reverse leverage from drag will still be felt but not as much as your system. It will however suffer from lower rotor plate speed across the stator plates. This is because at a fixed RPM, a large diameter wheel will provide more end speed then a smaller diameter wheel. So the QEG only had one more option, increase rotation speed, but as you increase rotation speed, if you do not increase the applied horsepower as well, you now will have much less torque. So this game has been played and played and played for so many years and people forget to consider all the chips on the table before placing a bet. They think they are doing something new, spend the bucks, then cry to mommy when it all goes south.

But whatever you do man, I am always loving every minute of it because I appreciate your genuine effort to help the world, like many of us here. Pure intent is what you exude when you are authentic. And, it does not hurt to have friends that check your back. hahaha

The pick up coil wants to see change. Change occurs when the iron plate approaches and it also occurs when it backs away. The small instant of no movement is what I would be interested in that you cannot produce when rotating. hehehe

wattsup
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 15, 2014, 03:15:03 PM
@ seamonkey
"Those who've never been in the near vicinity of any
of these mysterious devices do indeed have a very
difficult time accepting that they may in fact be
possible."


Having spend nearly 10 years and taking up to 40 plus flights a year assessing these devices and claims, I actually tend to think it is less likely as time goes on. My journey has taken me to over 60 locations around the world and the testing, investigating of over 100 devices. Several associates and friends have done  as much if not more as I, and reached the same conclusion.


could you please share how many device you have been up close to to form your opinion????


Kind Regards
Mark


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 03:25:19 PM

“ It’s not up to us to prove the technology works, we gave it away, open sourced it, and it’s up to the engineers and the people to make it work.” HopeGirl

I rest my case. For those of you who are spending a lot of money and time on this replication, please bear in mind the plans given to you for free do not work as claimed. I wish you all the best.

Kind Regards
Mark Dansie


Through your statement is technically true, I would say that in view of the report of how the plans were hurriedly rushed out, those plans are preliminary at best. It's obvious that the omission of the rectifier in the plans was an oversight, easily accounted for.

From my investigation of James' dealings with WITTS in obtaining the information that he was able to obtain about the WITTS' QEG, it's not like like WITTS made an absolute and comprehensive full disclosure to him. As far as I can tell, James is doing the best he can in releasing what had hitherto been concealed from the general public, and for that, he has my appreciation.

The recent statements by James that the QEG is a high voltage generator is something that is amazing to me, and I'm grateful to him for letting me know that, and I hope he will continue to discover new things about the QEG and share them with us.

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 15, 2014, 03:40:26 PM
VIDBID, do you think it's ethical for someone to promote a project and solicit and collect funds for it, over a hundred thousand dollars already that we know about, based on false claims of already having a prototype that produces overunity performance? When there is absolutely no evidence that the design actually works as claimed? And even the claimants now are finding that they cannot produce the performance advertised?

Notice that this is a different question than "does it, or can it, work". 


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 15, 2014, 03:47:08 PM
Through your statement is technically true, I would say that in view of the report of how the plans were hurriedly rushed out, those plans are preliminary at best. It's obvious that the omission of the rectifier in the plans was an oversight, easily accounted for.

From my investigation of James' dealings with WITTS in obtaining the information that he was able to obtain about the WITTS' QEG, it's not like like WITTS made an absolute and comprehensive full disclosure to him. As far as I can tell, James is doing the best he can in releasing what had hitherto been concealed from the general public, and for that, he has my appreciation.

The recent statements by James that the QEG is a high voltage generator is something that is amazing to me, and I'm grateful to him for letting me know that, and I hope he will continue to discover new things about the QEG and share them with us.

Regards,

VIDBID

There are two problems
1. The WITTS device never worked as claimed. I an many others I know who have visited him have never seen a convincing demonstration of the technology in the. last 10 years So there lies the real problem.
2. They claimed they had a working generator publicly many times. This is not the case.
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 04:05:23 PM
There are two problems
1. The WITTS device never worked as claimed. I an many others I know who have visited him have never seen a convincing demonstration of the technology in the. last 10 years So there lies the real problem.
2. They claimed they had a working generator publicly many times. This is not the case.
Kind Regards
Mark Dansie

1. How are you defining the term "worked" and according to who's claim? I don't know what you or the unnamed individuals to whom you refer would consider a convincing demonstration.

2. What are your criteria for a working demonstration of what you are referring to?

3. What exactly are you referring to?

4. I also believe understanding what you mean depends on how you are defining the term "working".

5. Who exactly are "they" that you are referring to?

Regards,

VIDBID 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 04:08:18 PM
VIDBID, do you think it's ethical for someone to promote a project and solicit and collect funds for it, over a hundred thousand dollars already that we know about, based on false claims of already having a prototype that produces overunity performance? When there is absolutely no evidence that the design actually works as claimed? And even the claimants now are finding that they cannot produce the performance advertised?

Notice that this is a different question than "does it, or can it, work".

Do you think it is ethical to criticize people for not allowing comments on their videos?

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 15, 2014, 04:15:19 PM
1. How are you defining the term "worked" and according to who's claim? I don't know what you or the unnamed individuals to whom you refer would consider a convincing demonstration.


The unnamed are under NDA with Witts (so will remain so). Worked means produced more output energy than input energy (direct or stored)

2. What are your criteria for a working demonstration of what you are referring to?


Measuring more output energy than input energy (simple)

3. What exactly are you referring to?


You measure the volts and amps in and measure either the mechanical or electrical energy out

4. I also believe understanding what you mean depends on how you are defining the term "working".


Working means as claimed...more energy out than in

5. Who exactly are "they" that you are referring to?


Scientist, engineers, investors and representatives for the investors

Regards,

VIDBID


So have you tested or viewed a WITTS device first hand "
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 04:16:15 PM
I believe that James indicates that the exciter resonates when 600v is in series with it.

http://youtu.be/2nTgfrjnZEY?t=5m53s

Is that what he is saying?

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 04:19:54 PM

So have you tested or viewed a WITTS device first hand "
Kind Regards
Mark

Did you operate and disassemble the WITTS QEG to see how it worked?

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 15, 2014, 05:12:03 PM
Did you operate and disassemble the WITTS QEG to see how it worked?

Regards,

VIDBID


That was never allowed for good reason......I think you can figure out why lol.
I have been involved in many other failed devices that were pulled apart.
The onus is not on me to prove it worked or did not work, but those making the claims. Without supporting data, evidence or otherwise then their is no supported claim. We have already seen the QED go form a Free Energy device that was claimed to be operational to something that has fallen well short of providing any excess energy. It is fine to have development projects, but call them that from the start.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 05:26:42 PM
I believe that somebody asked about QEG caps: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/qeg-parts-tools/113-qeg-capacitors

In some of my research, I have found some interesting material.

I don't know if I'm reading this article by Sterling Allan correctly but it seems to me from what I read (and I could be wrong about that) that Mr. Dansie doesn't believe that motor-generators are capable of overunity, that, essentially, they are all bogus? Please correct me if I am wrong about that.

http://freeenergynews.com/SmartScarecrow/2013/12/12/

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Congress:Former_Member:Mark_Anthony_Dansie

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 05:46:16 PM
It is fine to have development projects, but call them that from the start.
Kind Regards
Mark

That sounds reasonable enough to me for any type of business.

The beauty for me is I don't know. I don't know if the QEG works, but then again, I don't know that it doesn't work.

If it doesn't work, then what have I lost? Some time and effort. Do I intend to part with my money? Not at this time. However, I am willing to look at this technology with an open mind.

One thing is certain: The genie is out of the bottle, and it isn't going back in.

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 15, 2014, 05:51:31 PM
@gotoluc

I left you a post at OUR, Maybe take a read and let me know.

Listen, this QEG is doing what? Producing volts. Just use a Tesla coil and it will do the same thing.

Basically if this QEG requires anything that will rotate, what do you think will be the outcome. Moving a piece of iron to produce an electromagnet, and then we all wonder why it seizes.

My gut tells me this is a group of people that embarked on a build, went a little overboard on costs, did not get the results and now they are trying to recoup as much as they can by convincing others to chime in with some money to get "starter plans" of something that does not work. Chime in on what?

I was in a Quebec group of motor/generator/gearing guys and we spent 250K to find out certain methods won't work. hahaha. We did not afterwards go public to offer to sell the tech slating it as "for further development".

My own hint when planning to make big builds, first establish a small R&D business. I have three companies, two that are in my specialty of water treatment and the third I use only for R&D. All my R&D expenses go into that company and the capital just grows and grows. If I close the company tomorrow, I can get 50% of the capital as personal tax credit. If I use the company to make a big profit on something (it has to be big), then after paying a corporate tax of 20% I can then take all the capital I put in right back into my pocket non-taxable. One day, if I ever decide to actually pay myself a salary for R&D, the Canadian Government will pay me back 50% of that. hahaha

The QEG will work miracles when one day, we find a way to make that piece of iron approach the MOT then disappear. But that is not possible in the foreseeable future. The only other way I can think of is explained at OUR.

The solution I am proposing to you at OUR is to try and push the idea into a more realistic and especially a more out-of-the-box approach. Imagine a huge core having a coil of 20-40 Henries or so, just moving the plate in and out not even at a very fast speed should produce some good output that could be capped and then really be usable. Is it OU, don't know but it has a much better shot at working then turning a wheel.

But as soon as you start playing the rotation game, you are stuck with the progressive rise, peak, progressive fall and during all that time, you are setting up the electromagnetic demise because the approaching iron generates the jail it then gets caught in.

The other main problem with your testing versus QEG is leverage. Since your I core is at the outside of a rotating system, a drag of 1 between the I and E core will be transfered to the motor as a drag of 10 (as an example). So just a slight seizing at the outer end of the rotation will produce great drag force on the motor. That's leverage and the way it is set-up, it is working against you.

The QEG on the other hand has the rotor plates close to the shaft so the reverse leverage from drag will still be felt but not as much as your system. It will however suffer from lower rotor plate speed across the stator plates. This is because at a fixed RPM, a large diameter wheel will provide more end speed then a smaller diameter wheel. So the QEG only had one more option, increase rotation speed, but as you increase rotation speed, if you do not increase the applied horsepower as well, you now will have much less torque. So this game has been played and played and played for so many years and people forget to consider all the chips on the table before placing a bet. They think they are doing something new, spend the bucks, then cry to mommy when it all goes south.

But whatever you do man, I am always loving every minute of it because I appreciate your genuine effort to help the world, like many of us here. Pure intent is what you exude when you are authentic. And, it does not hurt to have friends that check your back. hahaha

The pick up coil wants to see change. Change occurs when the iron plate approaches and it also occurs when it backs away. The small instant of no movement is what I would be interested in that you cannot produce when rotating. hehehe

wattsup

Thanks wattsup for taking the time to write such a long post.

For some reason I never get email notification of a replied at OUR?

I agree with what you say but since there was a super high value Inductance connected to a capacitor it really got my attention because of my work and experiments on the effects of phase shift.

For the past two days I've been testing a design of my own of a solid state version. I see a little OU but it's small, at most 1 watt, so it could be scope math power calculation error. I'll try to boost it (if I can) to try to eliminate possible error.

I'll look at OUR for your post

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 15, 2014, 05:57:30 PM
I believe that somebody asked about QEG caps: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/qeg-parts-tools/113-qeg-capacitors (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/qeg-parts-tools/113-qeg-capacitors)

In some of my research, I have found some interesting material.

I don't know if I'm reading this article by Sterling Allan correctly but it seems to me from what I read (and I could be wrong about that) that Mr. Dansie doesn't believe that motor-generators are capable of overunity, that, essentially, they are all bogus? Please correct me if I am wrong about that.

http://freeenergynews.com/SmartScarecrow/2013/12/12/ (http://freeenergynews.com/SmartScarecrow/2013/12/12/)

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Congress:Former_Member:Mark_Anthony_Dansie (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Congress:Former_Member:Mark_Anthony_Dansie)

Regards,

VIDBID


I have seen none to date that work, however I am happy to keep my mind open. There are some other interesting anomalies and approaches I have been made aware of that may make the process possible, but not in the form of a magnetic motor generator.
Sterling has an excellent site that has documented hundreds of failed magnetic motors and sell looped gensets over the last decade. Some even ended up in jail.
I personally do not give much credibility to anything Sterling says, especially the numerology nonsense. He does provide a valuable service.
Kind Regards
Mark
PS you can read my articles at Revolution_Green.com
Kind Regards as always


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: DreamThinkBuild on April 15, 2014, 07:00:43 PM
Hi Luc and Laurent,

Thank you for those tests. While I'm not really following the QEG I find the change in inductance and the self excitation from it's change through a capacitor fascinating. Luc's test with the oscillation slowly building up reminds me of a flux compression generator. Instead of placing a seed voltage on the coils it is built up internally.

I finally got in the lab and did a very simple test with an electromagnet to see how bringing different material near the coil would change the inductance. Attached is a pdf of the results.

Using the preliminary results it might be possible to make sectors or squirrel cage type design of alternating aluminum and galvanized steel wire (electric fence wire) to pass in front of the inductor to induce parametric change.

A solid state version might be possible by just shorting out a coil. I haven't tried this but an idea is to take a galvanized steel core and wrap a coil (maybe aluminum wire?) around it, then short and un-short with a switch. Would have to do more tests to see how shorting a coil wrapped around the material would effect the inductance. The efficiency is still the question though.

Here are some patents for reference.

4200831 - Compensated pulsed alternator

https://www.google.com/patents/US4200831

4266180 - Method of and means for high performance direct current electrical pulse generation utilizing mechanical energy storage

https://www.google.com/patents/US4266180

4431960 - Current Amplifying Apparatus

https://www.google.com/patents/US4431960

4935708 - High energy pulse forming generator

https://www.google.com/patents/US4935708


Keep experimenting. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wattsup on April 15, 2014, 07:06:55 PM
@gotoluc

I understand completely. You know I am on your side man. I just hate wasting time. Our dearest friend @otto that just passed away in a blink of an eye left many things undone. His departure just kicked me into hyperdrive knowing that at my age (56) even in good enough shape, I can kick the bucket anytime. So who wants to waste any more time. Not me.

About your 1 watt OU testing, watch out for your scope probe ground. It will introduce so much crap into the circuits. Always have a habit of disconnecting the probe ground once in a while to verify if it is the cause of the effect. Because of that problem I always use my scope without the ground. I have learned how to interpret the waveform as being a pointal indication and not a referenced indication because the ground just screws things up especially when you are working on a floating ground system that had no ground of its own going to the mains. Tried explaining that at OUR but I guess I failed. hehehe Can't win them all.

Because you are such a great guy, I have been muddling an idea so I will put it here. It is not QEG related but much better and I personally think it has 1000 times more potential and should be very easy to do, and if it is promising, it can be replicated by anyone in the world.

So here goes nothing...hahaha.

A while back someone on the Energy Amplification thread asked me for new ideas. I did not forget so I'll put this one here. hahaha

OK, the best spinning sphere magnet I have ever seen was on youtube, a guy showing a sphere magnet rotating inside a Rodin coil. That magnet was turning so damn fast. So this proves to us that a Rodin coil produces a great rotating impulse matrix inside the donut hole.

You get that, right. Such great news indeed.

OK, now, the best low cost generator I know is a simple new or used car alternator. Funny that when you take it apart, you end up with this great donut shaped stator coil with three stout wire pairs leaving it.

The funniest thing is the stator looks just like a Rodin coil former (donut) and funny again that all that alternator stator wants is to see is a nice rotating field inside of its hole. hint hint

Due to lack of time, I will not be tackling this idea that has been bundling in the back of my mind for months now, so if anyone wants to tackle it and has some good Rodin winding techniques, because it does demand some discipline in the winding method (see youtube tutorials) and in the pulsing method sweeping for the sweet spot please do so because I think this type of "Spin Conveyance" may be a prime potential method when fine tuned as a low tech OU solution. Imagine an alternator with zero drag.

Why Rodin and a car Alternator?. Both techniques are proven performers so why not meld them into a Rodin Rotorless Alternator or maybe call it a "Rodinator". Maybe if JL Naudin reads this thread and needs a new challenge. hint hint

Why use the alternator stator? Because that part of the build technique is extremely difficult to get right the first time (say impossible) and these ready made stators enjoy millions in R&D and an already solid track record of performance. The winding angles, the armature, the known output all favor the rotating source field and not your regular axial core coupling. Maybe tape up the stator first so the Rodin coil wire does not get shorted on the armature. Or, find a good donut former that will fit the stator and hug the inside wall of the stator and wind the Rodin over that former.

Advanced Rodinators:

1) Maybe eventually add a center axial rotor magnet not too close to the armature so it can just float along pushing the effect with the Rodin providing the lead.  Could be an internal rotor magnet that does the switching that energizes the Rodin coils. Many ways indeed.

2) We may eventually discover that a virtual impress on the alternator armature has to ramp up slowly otherwise the armature may tend to seize or freeze the effect before it can overcome internal cancellations. Like requiring a minimum rpm to push output.

This means maybe a two layer Rodin. You start with one pulsing as a ramp up and when it gets to its maximum the second layer starts pulsing with the first then even a third layer after that one or as many as the design can handle. That stator is known to output 12 volts at 100 amps. Not a bad goal.

Even guys doing Jule Thief works, find a small motor stator, wind a small Rodin coil over it and pulse it. Play the hell out of it to find out what secrets can be discovered. Or take a naked toroid and wind a 2 or more wires Rodin coil style. Pulse one and tank the other(s). That's a new way to think of winding the toroid coils. It's like the Rodin and the Toroid were made for each other, both having the ability to engage in a virtual rotational loop.

Don't know if you heard it here first or not. Don't care. What matters is.... can it be done. All I know is I have not seen this anywhere so maybe this can be a more utilized out of the box approach and another part of the OU puzzle. This is however the type of approach I call realistic. You know where you stand from the start and not based on anything else but your own minds ability to reason out the build in your mind, work out all the bugs that you can in your head before starting a build. It is all pure creative logic in action but always keeping a realistic and open mind.

Everything around us is just yelling out "Please please love me for what I am and see in me the potential of what I can become."

wattsup
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 15, 2014, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: MarkDansie
For those of you who are spending a lot of money and time on this replication, please bear in mind the plans given to you for free do not work as claimed. I wish you all the best.

Of course, all are eager to begin experimentation
with this device and concept but only those who
are able financially and have adequate technical
resources to conduct meaningful research and
development should be engaged at the present time.

Until there is a solid understanding of how the device
actually works and all of its operational parameters
the prospects for success will be greatly limited.

Quote from: MarkDansie
Having spend nearly 10 years and taking up to 40 plus flights a year assessing these devices and claims, I actually tend to think it is less likely as time goes on. My journey has taken me to [color=#0081BD !important][/color] locations around the world and the testing, investigating of over 100 devices. Several associates and friends have done  as much if not more as I, and reached the same conclusion.


could you please share how many device you have been up close to to form your opinion?(http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/huh.gif)

Then you must have come to realize that you're
looking in the wrong places;  you've been following
false claims and perhaps disinfo operatives.

Unfortunately, the vast majority are not yet privy to
look in the right places.  You've perhaps heard that
there are "black ops" programs (mostly military) which
are decades or even a century or more advanced than
the technologies which are available for public
consumption.  It is true.

While I cannot provide specifics to satisfy your curiosity
I can only assure all that the technologies exist as highly
classified and tightly controlled programs.

How quickly they are revealed to the people and made
available for general use is dependent upon how rapidly
world conditions deteriorate as the warring factions
prepare for the next large scale conflict.

The technologies are presently the possession of a small
group of "elites" who are reserving them for their own
uses.

Until then we can only continue as we've been doing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 10:41:36 PM
SeaMonkey,

Those are interesting quotes by MarkDansie that you have there, but I was unable to locate them with a search engine.

Where did you find them?

Could I have a link?

Regards,

VIDBID


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 15, 2014, 10:41:49 PM
Of course, all are eager to begin experimentation
with this device and concept but only those who
are able financially and have adequate technical
resources to conduct meaningful research and
development should be engaged at the present time.

Until there is a solid understanding of how the device
actually works and all of its operational parameters
the prospects for success will be greatly limited.

Then you must have come to realize that you're
looking in the wrong places;  you've been following
false claims and perhaps disinfo operatives.

Unfortunately, the vast majority are not yet privy to
look in the right places.  You've perhaps heard that
there are "black ops" programs (mostly military) which
are decades or even a century or more advanced than
the technologies which are available for public
consumption.  It is true.

While I cannot provide specifics to satisfy your curiosity
I can only assure all that the technologies exist as highly
classified and tightly controlled programs.

How quickly they are revealed to the people and made
available for general use is dependent upon how rapidly
world conditions deteriorate as the warring factions
prepare for the next large scale conflict.

The technologies are presently the possession of a small
group of "elites" who are reserving them for their own
uses.

Until then we can only continue as we've been doing.
The fact that Hope Girl and team don't have one going should send up a lot of caution flags. I always find it curious when people talk of suppressed free energy schemes that they know about.  If someone knows about them and talks about them in public then they haven't been suppressed very well, and there shouldn't be any technical reason keeping one from replicating the supposed working technologies.  As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones.  If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 15, 2014, 11:13:10 PM
The fact that Hope Girl and team don't have one going should send up a lot of caution flags.

From the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE , they have something going, but we need to look at the data, but unless I'm mistaken, there was talk of a 10 kW output.

I always find it curious when people talk of suppressed free energy schemes that they know about.

Why is that? I mean somebody has to know about them, right?

If someone knows about them and talks about them in public then they haven't been suppressed very well

Well, human beings are traffickers of information, and what is supposed to be secret is bound to get out sometime, isn't it?

and there shouldn't be any technical reason keeping one from replicating the supposed working technologies.

I doubt there are many people who could actually build a QEG in their basement, and the building of a QEG does require some advanced technical skills, doesn't it?

As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones.

I don't know if that analogy is applicable in this particular case.

If the military was using a type of free energy technology, wouldn't that be classified?

How would you know that it even existed?

If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?

How do you know that they're not? I mean they could be using them in secret, right?

I mean their use in the military would be classified, wouldn't it?

Regards,

VIDBID

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 15, 2014, 11:41:36 PM
The fact that Hope Girl and team don't have one going should send up a lot of caution flags. I always find it curious when people talk of suppressed free energy schemes that they know about.  If someone knows about them and talks about them in public then they haven't been suppressed very well, and there shouldn't be any technical reason keeping one from replicating the supposed working technologies.  As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones.  If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?


 Well I can only tell you what they have presented in the videos so far.


 The prototype was said to put out 9,000 Watts peak, 4,000 watts nominally stable. But there was a problem with the secondaries shorting out at those higher outputs. So they did have a prototype and the video's show that. He was in his garage or workshop in that one.


 At Taipei They had a new core built and wound. In the process of that build they, The original builder and the Manufacturer, found out that they could layer the coils to extend the break down point and increase the stability of the coils. They need to be rewound. But even though they couldn't take the device into a higher output because of the shorts they found out that any additional speed in the motor driver caused a huge swing in the output VOLTAGE without loosing any current. This is where they were having the problem of the secondaries shorting out again. Without the new winding technique they couldn't go higher. This is a discovery period. They did have a prototype and they went on the limited success of the prototype to further interest in this device and secure funds to take it to the next level.


 As for suppressed Technologies we all know the thousands of patents that are confiscated each year under the guise of national security. How about the Coleman device.. Thats one... For sure. Those are suppressions even though some are suppressed for good reasons like public safety Hazardous materials and such. But You have to think about all of the others that do not fall into these categories.


 Suppression can come in many guises. Sudden financial threats. Bank accounts getting locked for no reason. Credit revoking. Foreclosures. And the most recent Suppression of not a technology but of rights, like in Nevada. 52 ranchers manipulated into loosing their right to public land usage. They will use all legal and not so legal avenues in the USA and get away with it if we do not stand up to these power brokers. All for a 3 billion dollar solar farm that will not be for us but for CHINESE interests Sold out by A senator who was promised probably a very good check for doing so. They do it ALL the time. Just open your eyes and you shall see. OPEN your eyes and stop closing them to these tactics.


 As for government having technology higher then us well thats absolutely RIGHT. My father was a civil contractor hired by G.E. He told me not to specific details, because of security clearance issues, about many high tech stuff even before it came out in the civil sectors. Let me tell you some of the stuff I even laughed at but yet here it is... Scarry... He said way back then about 25 years ago that the average difference in technology was 50 years from Military to civilian releases and I trust my fathers word on that. He had a wall of diplomas and certificates that showed me then his extensive education and he worked on many of the nuke subs we have that is a fact. Most military bases have two structures, an upper public structure and an extensive lower structure. The lower structure is where they keep all the hidden tech and the lower structures have dedicated power systems that we could not even dream of to isolate them from things like EMP's weapons to Nukes to name a few and the power systems are not nuclear in nature. Thats what I got from my limited talks with my dad.


 Take it for what it is worth suppression is what they do when it give the normal joe to much power. If we had such power there would be nothing in our way to just up and leave which they do not want us to do. They want us to feel helpless and just take their demands for everything we have or at bare minimum their cut.


 As for this project why not wait and see what happens? Why speculate they are defrauding anyone without one shred of proof that they are doing so? The only proof at this point would be to build the device and apply the updates that they have talked about. Without doing so you are crying foul before the ball is even thrown or to the plate!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 16, 2014, 12:24:11 AM
Let me recap from what I gotten from the PESN interview video and this thread.

1)  We are being presented a device that is driven by parametric excitation of inductance. 

2)  Driving a device with parametric excitation is an obscure method, although it is still a well understood process.  The parametric excitation modulates and builds up the noise currents in the winding of the device, noise currents that are created in the windings by exposure to ambient natural and man-made magnetic fields.

3)  Although there are zero windings on the rotor of the device to create Lenz effects, the build up of magnetic flux within the stator would likely create some magnetic drag on the rotation of the rotor, which in turn would cause at least some loading on the motor driving the rotor.  This load would likely be much less than the Lenz effect in a typical generators.

4) As a result of #3, as more load is place on the output of the device a reduction in the output voltage and or output current would be expected rather than an increase of the loading of the drive motor though the magnetic drag upon the rotor.

5)  As far as over unity capability of the device, the only suggested source for this has been some sort of mechanical-piezo effect involving the atoms of the magnetic core.  As far as I know, piezoelectric effects have yet to be verified as a source of over-unity operation in any device.  Everything else about the device seems common and ordinary in the field of motors and generators with the addition of a voltage limiting spark gap and resonant circuit tuned to a much higher frequency than the rest of the system.

6) In conclusion the device presented employs an unusual method of input, parametric excitation, which has been previously documented to be a viable method for the conversion of mechanical energy to electrical energy and to work with a COP of <  1.  Thus, it is my expectation for this device that it will generate a useful output at a COP of < 1. 

Now we have a least one person, who appears to be reasonably educated and skilled in the art, claiming the device operates at a COP of > 1, and his method of disseminating the information about the device appears to be appropriate for one, who honestly wants to get the information out to the world as fast and directly as possible.  Unfortunately the device described in that information costs upwards of $10,000 to build, making replication attempts cost prohibitive for a lot of would be replicators.  Also the videos presented so far have been less than comprehensive and convincing of any over-unity effects.

To facilitate replication and verification of over or under unity operation in this device, perhaps the core can be scaled down, so that a device would be made that would cost hundreds instead of thousands of dollars to build.  Aside from trying to figure out how to build a similar parametrically excited induction generator on a smaller scale, my take on this will be to just wait and watch.  Results from Taiwan should be rolling in soon enough over the coming days and weeks.

***

For those of you with the interest for it, here is a link to my step by step analysis of the Tesla Hairpin Circuit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7gPeIVVy0A
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 16, 2014, 12:48:16 AM
Quote from: MarkDansie
As to the plausibility of the military possessing these wonderful free energy systems, that would be the same military that spends $100. / gallon to move fuel in war zones.  If they had these wonderful technologies why don't they use them?

Only those who are at the very highest levels would
know why they are being reserved for widespread use
at some future time.  Their present use is for the most
part covert although in some instances have been
witnessed by unexpected observers; e.g. Area 51 and
elsewhere.

The present world system of control doesn't permit
anything to compete with the systems already in place
which are being used/manipulated to bring about the
Ultimate Plan.

What exists deep underground to ensure survival of
those "elites" would shock you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 16, 2014, 12:54:45 AM
Quote from: VidBid
Those are interesting quotes by MarkDansie that you have there, but I was unable to locate them with a search engine.

Where did you find them?

Could I have a link?

Aye, here they are:

First (http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg397938/#msg397938)

Second (http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg397978/#msg397978)


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 16, 2014, 12:56:15 AM


 A scaled down version is what I suggested. If this is a principle they are using I don't think scaling down would hurt it in an respect. The problem then becomes what are the ratio of primary and secondary and what is that relation to the core.


 I do have a 10.5" diameter 1" soft iron core but it is not subdivided. It is round stock and slit on the diameter or two halves of a circle. I was gonna use this for the motor/gen that I am building. I wonder if solid stock would work well enough to see the effect.


 I have a 250 watt scooter motor that I could use to drive it and see if this would do anything.


 The other problem for me is the copper wire. I don't have any yet and I don't really know what gauge it needs at the scaled down version.


 I would also need a rotor and mounting stand with brass fittings in between each coil as per my design.


 So I must get a few more things to try this out. In my version I'm gonna not use the big blocks he has for poles and only use the Toroid core I have with mounting hardware and a stand. I'll have to see when I can get additional parts and the huge amount of wire I need for the cores. Oh and in my version I can bobin the coils because the toroid is split. :)  This way I can try different coil setups like wind direction and solenoid versus bifilar as well.


 The core cost me 50 bucks and I need to machine it a bit as well and then have it re-softened after machining. The machining is only to flatten the split planes...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 16, 2014, 01:01:56 AM
From the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE , they have something going, but we need to look at the data, but unless I'm mistaken, there was talk of a 10 kW output.
The hour long internal conference from Korea? indicated that they did not actually make that work.  Hope Girl has declared that they don't need to and suggests that they do not want to show a working unit.
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Why is that? I mean somebody has to know about them, right?
If something has been successfully suppressed then the public would never know about it.  Yet, over and over again we hear stories of supposedly wonderful inventions suppressed by the gov't or PTB or whoever, but none of the people who report these suppressed devices can actually back up the  stories with any actual proof of a device that works.  These suppression tales are like the "big one that got away".
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Well, human beings are traffickers of information, and what is supposed to be secret is bound to get out sometime, isn't it?
Many humans are story tellers.  The difference between a story and reality is evidence.  These suppression stories routinely lack evidence.
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I doubt there are many people who could actually build a QEG in their basement, and the building of a QEG does require some advanced technical skills, doesn't it?
It requires a lot of material.  Building a working one requires skills no one has:  Altering electromagnetics.
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I don't know if that analogy is applicable in this particular case.
Why on earth would a military spend $100/ gallon to move fuel if it had "century ahead" free energy technology?  If one has enough energy, one can suck CO2 and H2O out of the air and make liquid fuels on the spot for those archaic current technology machines that still use liquid fuels instead of free energy directly.
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If the military was using a type of free energy technology, wouldn't that be classified?
Lots of advanced technology is classified.  It does not prevent us from noticing when older technology does and does not get replaced.  When older technology stays in place, it is a safe bet that there is not a new and better technology to replace it.
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How would you know that it even existed?
Again, look at what gets replaced.
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How do you know that they're not? I mean they could be using them in secret, right?
Sure and just to pull the wool over everyone's eyes they keep using the old stuff and subject convoys to great risk.  May I interest you in some ocean front land in Florida?
Quote

I mean their use in the military would be classified, wouldn't it?

Regards,

VIDBID
You said that before.  There are huge contracts and RFQs out there for energy efficiency and mobility.  Those contracts and RFQs would not exist if the military and elites had these claimed miracle energy technologies.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 16, 2014, 01:03:34 AM
jbignes5:

I think the poles will be necessary to get enough flux gating to make the parametric excitation work.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 16, 2014, 01:13:08 AM


 Well from what I understand it wont need the poles but we will see. The pole block would be easy enough to add if need be. I attached a picture of the core in my last post... I am slao thinking that I will need a coil on the rotor in this design to add a very strong magnetic field to the rotor. There would be almost no cogging in this design. My premise is to create a heavy magnetic field on the rotor via a closed looped coil on said rotor. This way it would guide the magnetic field around the toroid and cut the copper and generate a huge voltage depending on the thickness of the coils. But again I'm speculating.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 16, 2014, 01:28:34 AM
Without the very small air gap between the rotor and poles when aligned, I would expect very little magnetic coupling between the rotor and stator.  This looks like a good device to model with FEMM or something similar.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 16, 2014, 02:29:27 AM



 Well this is what I am basing this off of:


 http://www.teslauniverse.com/nikola-tesla-patents-390,721-dynamo-electric-machine


 Tesla said that a toroid in this design would have infinite poles. So seeing that the poles define the machine then it should be way better. But like I said I will have to tinker with the design. By the way the magnets on the toroid I have shown are for the exciter section, If I need that part. Also as Tesla stated the increased capacitance of the bifilar coil should make additional caps not required. But again I'll have to tinker with that too.. First thing will be to try the setup like Hopegirl presents.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 16, 2014, 03:16:19 AM
The patent  you mention and the device you are describing are significantly different from what is presented in James' manual for the QEG.  I would expect that the device you are talking about and James' QEG operate under different principles.  The device you mention may drive current and or flux around the toroid, although it seems to me it would do so without parametric excitation of the stators inductance value.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 16, 2014, 03:46:45 AM
Well at least this thread is not going off in as many random directions as the Akula 30 watt generator thread.

Nonetheless, for Wattsup:  The Rodin coil is just electronics quackery.  There is no vortex, it doesn't do anything special at all.

SeaMonkey:  Thanks for the usual sales pitch for the End of the World.  The End Times and the clash between the Evil Cabal and the Forces of Good and the billions of people that get wiped out and the Rebirth.  Of course the Evil Cabal has these devices.  Not to mention the permanent magnet motors that run all their submarines.

The people in that hour-long clip seem to be decent people.  The engineering guy seems alright, I can't figure out how he is going for this.  They are all a little bit smug at times but the exit plan is a foregone conclusion as far as I am concerned.  The recorded Google/Skype chats will stop.  HopeGirl's blog will stop cold.  A month or two later web pages will start to disappear.  Many people will be left "holding the donut" and you will have to consult the Internet Wayback Machine to find any traces of the perps.  Like so many Facebook pages popping out of existence after the 2011 Vancouver riot.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 16, 2014, 04:50:39 AM
Quote from: MilesHigh
SeaMonkey:  Thanks for the usual sales pitch for the End of the World.  The End Times and the clash between the Evil Cabal and the Forces of Good and the billions of people that get wiped out and the Rebirth.  Of course the Evil Cabal has these devices.  Not to mention the permanent magnet motors that run all their submarines.

You're welcome MH.  But the World isn't going to meet
its end - at least not entirely.  There will be some
re-arrangement of physical features but Planet Earth
will go on and on and on and on...

What is coming to an end is the corruption which has
operated upon the Earth for a good long time; with
the help of some very powerful advanced technologies
it is going to self-destruct.  Given enough time the
psychopaths who devise the power grabs, the tyrannies,
the brutal regimes, the wars, the lop-sided economic
and monetary systems and all things bad, will themselves
go over the edge and fall into the pit.  In fact, many of
the world's "leaders" are now acting as if they were
looped 24/7. 

Speaking of the Submarines, (or "boats" as they're
affectionately referred to in the Navy), their propulsion
systems are truly works of art.  Those electric motors
are the quietest and smoothest you'll ever see anywhere.
Machinery so noiseless that you'd swear it wasn't
rotating.

That "Evil Cabal" has been quite busy these past several
months stirring up turmoil in Syria and now The Ukraine.
They're making Mr. Putin and Russia look very much like
the Good Guys.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vidbid on April 16, 2014, 05:22:17 AM
The hour long internal conference from Korea?

You mean the interview in Taiwan?

indicated that they did not actually make that work. 

That not what I'm taking away from what James said in this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE) . Would you please supply me with quote to that effect with the source link and time index if it's on a video?

Hope Girl has declared that they don't need to and suggests that they do not want to show a working unit.

I'm not really certain that she meant that. Would you please supply me with her quote and a source link for that quote?

If something has been successfully suppressed then the public would never know about it. 

Logical, however, if the suppression effort were to fail, then some people in the public might find out about it. Is that not so?

Yet, over and over again we hear stories of supposedly wonderful inventions suppressed by the gov't or PTB or whoever,

I'm not sure that I have heard these stories. Would you please supply a few specific examples of what you are referring to?

but none of the people who report these suppressed devices can actually back up the stories with any actual proof of a device that works.

Would you please name these people whom you are referring to?

Which suppressed devices were you referring to?

These suppression tales are like the "big one that got away".

Would you please give me a specific example of that?

Many humans are story tellers. 

Do you mean like a teller of tails?

The difference between a story and reality is evidence. 

Do you mean the testimony of an eye witness shouldn't be accepted into evidence?

These suppression stories routinely lack evidence.

Which suppression stories are you referring to? Would you please be specific?

It requires a lot of material. 

Are you referring to the QEG?

Building a working one requires skills no one has: Altering electromagnetics.

How would you know that?

Why on earth would a military spend $100/ gallon to move fuel if it had "century ahead" free energy technology?

I really don't understand your question. How much fuel are you talking about moving?

If one has enough energy, one can suck CO2 and H2O out of the air and make liquid fuels on the spot for those archaic current technology machines that still use liquid fuels instead of free energy directly.

Are you suggesting that we should be making fuel on the spot? If we have the energy to make fuel on the spot, why not just use the energy itself for what we need it for and skip making the fuel?

Lots of advanced technology is classified.

Why wouldn't it be, particularly, if the said classified technology had military applications?

It does not prevent us from noticing when older technology does and does not get replaced.

I don't know that it wouldn't. Would you please give a specific example of what you're referring to? 

When older technology stays in place, it is a safe bet that there is not a new and better technology to replace it.

Unless there is a cost issue or if the older technology's performance is not an issue.

Again, look at what gets replaced.

How would I know which classified military technology is replaced? Would you please supply me with a specific example of what you're referring to?

Sure and just to pull the wool over everyone's eyes they keep using the old stuff and subject convoys to great risk.

I'm not sure if that situation is applicable. Since I'm not a military commander faced with these logistical concerns, I'm unconcerned about it, considering that some general would just throw money at it.
 
May I interest you in some ocean front land in Florida?

Got anything in South Beach?

You said that before.

You're saying I already asked you, "Wouldn't the military's use of free energy technology be classified?"

There are huge contracts and RFQs out there for energy efficiency and mobility.

Would you please be specific as to the contracts and RFQs that you are referring to?

Those contracts and RFQs would not exist if the military and elites had these claimed miracle energy technologies.

How do you know that the reverse wouldn't be true? If they didn't have these contracts and RFQs, wouldn't that arouse suspicions? Why would they reveal that they didn't need these existing contracts and RFQs? I mean if they had a type of free energy technology and they wanted it to remain classified, why would they risk its discovery by using it unless they could guarantee that its use could be kept classified?

Regards,

VIDBID
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 16, 2014, 05:24:54 AM
The patent  you mention and the device you are describing are significantly different from what is presented in James' manual for the QEG.  I would expect that the device you are talking about and James' QEG operate under different principles.  The device you mention may drive current and or flux around the toroid, although it seems to me it would do so without parametric excitation of the stators inductance value.


 Yes it is different but very much the same as well. And yes it does it very differently. Except for one thing. The loop, in the version I picked it takes advantage of magnetic/electric field loop. It is the secret so to speak. The current build up is directly associated with the voltage generation from the exciter. Once this starts the electric field is converted into a magnetic field in the rotor which then loops back to the field cores and generates more electric field which in turn generates more magnetic field. The trick is to pull some of the magnetic field from the rotor and use it for current for your devices via the rotor coils. Kinda like a dam uses the water behind the dam to generate current. Except in this case how the water or voltage gets replaced is from the magneto exciter and the loop. Once this thing gets going it is like a steady state generator. It's limit is based on the coils and the ratio you pick for the gauge of the wires. The outside wires are very thin and the rotor coils are very thick. Tesla called it a rotary transformer. Well the process of the loop anyways. Once Tesla figured out that loop concept it was rather easy to get the rest. But Tesla got diverted from this concept after he did work on the impulse stuff. His vision got pulled away and he put this concept aside until he got taken by J.P. Morgan.


 So Tesla went back to this unit and it is the very unit he used in the Pierce arrow experiment from what I can figure. Although there is a caveat to this, adding impulse methods will greatly enhance the units power output. This is due to the explosive nature of impulse technology.


 Just remember one thing. Iron and steel act like a sponge to the magnetic field. Whats the core made of and what is the rotor made of? Seeing the wire around the core is very fine gauge and the magnetic field in the rotor will be high what kind of inductive loop do you think is gonna happen between the rotor and field core?


 Anyways on my way to building the patent I picked I'll stop by the Hopegirl concept and check it out.


 Cheers guys, I'll see you when I'm done experimenting. It's better then sitting round here and listening to the Einstein worshipers who couldn't tell the truth even if it bit them on the butt.


 jbignes5
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 05:57:55 AM
Lets say we negate the possibility of any field in the cores and are null of magnetic field. Unless possibly Earths field has a part in it.(Rotate the box in different directions to find out?) If the thought of just the changing value of inductance is the effect producer, then there is another way of changing the inductance other than changing the core values as Luc has demonstrated.

Say we have a mot, uncut, and then apply switching on and off across the primary coil. lol, sounds nuts and probably not even worth trying by anyone that read this, but by shorting and opening the primary winding, you are very effectively changing the actual inductance of the secondary.  So in a way, testing this out may possibly show if just the change in inductance is the real root of it all?  lol Still sounds nuts to me, but I had to put it out there. :o

So I suppose the proposed test would involve switching between short and open of the primary at a particular freq, sweeping to find resonance. ??? I would recommend cutting the cap off the transformer and remount it with an insulated spacer, to keep the core open(gapped), just as Lucs core always is more or less as it spins, except for when it goes BVVVVP!   That sound reminds me of the loud 60hz hum of an outside hv power line that goes to ground or to another phase line. BVVVP! ;D Just about exactly like that is how Lucs box sounds.

I was reading a bit on magnetic amplifiers before this post and the thought came to me.

Like who would even think of such a thing? ;)   Magnutty  :o , thats who. ;D

Now that would be clear and 'easy' free energy if it worked.  ;)


Magnutts :o

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 16, 2014, 06:31:41 AM
@gotoluc

About your 1 watt OU testing,

the best spinning sphere magnet I have ever seen was on youtube, a guy showing a sphere magnet rotating inside a Rodin coil. That magnet was turning so damn fast. So this proves to us that a Rodin coil produces a great rotating impulse matrix inside the donut hole.

alternator stator wants is to see is a nice rotating field inside of its hole. hint hint

wattsup

Hi wattsup,

thanks for the details.

Today I was able to confirm there is not a 1 watt gain in my solid state version of the QEG. Ended up I had to use a wheel utility power meter to confirm. Good thing I was using 60Hz and 240vac.

About the Rodin coil idea. Don't you think the ball magnet RPM will be too high of a frequency for the steel lamination of a car Alternator?... also, why would you think the ball magnet rotation won't be affected by Lenz once the Alt. coil are under load?

Thank for sharing

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 06:46:32 AM
Hi wattsup,

thanks for the details.

Today I was able to confirm there is not a 1 watt gain in my solid state version of the QEG. Ended up I had to use a wheel utility power meter to confirm. Good thing I was using 60Hz and 240vac.

About the Rodin coil idea. Don't you think the ball magnet RPM will be too high of a frequency for the steel lamination of a car Alternator?... also, why would you think the ball magnet rotation won't be affected by Lenz once the Alt. coil are under load?

Thank for sharing

Luc


Hmm. Its an interesting thought of using an alternator to have a bunch of coils on the stator with capacitors, and dont even apply power to the field coil in the rotor. The armature fingers will to the closing the gap deal on the stators and changing the inductance.

Rewind the stator with lots of fine wire to simulate or come close to the inductance of the mot sec.

Then just drive/spin the alt to resonance with caps on each of the 3 stator coils, all of different phase.  So this way probably no BVVVP! sounds. ;D   Alternators are pretty sturdy.

Mags
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 16, 2014, 06:51:36 AM
Lets say we negate the possibility of any field in the cores and are null of magnetic field. Unless possibly Earths field has a part in it.(Rotate the box in different directions to find out?) If the thought of just the changing value of inductance is the effect producer, then there is another way of changing the inductance other than changing the core values as Luc has demonstrated.

Say we have a mot, uncut, and then apply switching on and off across the primary coil. lol, sounds nuts and probably not even worth trying by anyone that read this, but by shorting and opening the primary winding, you are very effectively changing the actual inductance of the secondary.  So in a way, testing this out may possibly show if just the change in inductance is the real root of it all?  lol Still sounds nuts to me, but I had to put it out there. :o

So I suppose the proposed test would involve switching between short and open of the primary at a particular freq, sweeping to find resonance. ??? I would recommend cutting the cap off the transformer and remount it with an insulated spacer, to keep the core open(gapped), just as Lucs core always is more or less as it spins, except for when it goes BVVVVP!   That sound reminds me of the loud 60hz hum of an outside hv power line that goes to ground or to another phase line. BVVVP! ;D Just about exactly like that is how Lucs box sounds.

I was reading a bit on magnetic amplifiers before this post and the thought came to me.

Like who would even think of such a thing? ;)   Magnutty  :o , thats who. ;D

Now that would be clear and 'easy' free energy if it worked.  ;)


Magnutts :o

Hey Mags,

I forgot to mention something that may help this magnet flux question.

I was doing more tests on trying to find a different resonating cap value on the high voltage coil and found one that was giving a small rise in voltage, then for some reason I shorted both the low voltage coils and instantly the voltage rise fell to nothing and would not climb back.
Would this not confirm that a magnetic flux was present in the cores until I neutralized it by shorting?

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 07:05:03 AM
Lets say we negate the possibility of any field in the cores and are null of magnetic field. Unless possibly Earths field has a part in it.(Rotate the box in different directions to find out?) If the thought of just the changing value of inductance is the effect producer, then there is another way of changing the inductance other than changing the core values as Luc has demonstrated.

Say we have a mot, uncut, and then apply switching on and off across the primary coil. lol, sounds nuts and probably not even worth trying by anyone that read this, but by shorting and opening the primary winding, you are very effectively changing the actual inductance of the secondary.  So in a way, testing this out may possibly show if just the change in inductance is the real root of it all?  lol Still sounds nuts to me, but I had to put it out there. :o

So I suppose the proposed test would involve switching between short and open of the primary at a particular freq, sweeping to find resonance. ??? I would recommend cutting the cap off the transformer and remount it with an insulated spacer, to keep the core open(gapped), just as Lucs core always is more or less as it spins, except for when it goes BVVVVP!   That sound reminds me of the loud 60hz hum of an outside hv power line that goes to ground or to another phase line. BVVVP! ;D Just about exactly like that is how Lucs box sounds.

I was reading a bit on magnetic amplifiers before this post and the thought came to me.

Like who would even think of such a thing? ;)   Magnutty  :o , thats who. ;D

Now that would be clear and 'easy' free energy if it worked.  ;)


Magnutts :o

Thinking about it a bit more, there may need to be 1 change to shift the inductance more like Lucs test box does.

The way I described above, the sec has a particular inductance on its own with the cap off  and away from the cut ecore containing the mots sec winding. Then when the cap is rotated to where it completely covers the cut ecore, the inductance of the sec coil increases.

In my shorting the primary config, the sec would have its own self inductance, but when the primary is shorted, the sec inductance goes down, opposite of Lucs box demo.

Not sure if it even matters if the inductance is shifted one way or the other to get the effect. But to get the sec inductance to increase by shorting the primary, all we have to do is instead of shorting the primary, just connect another inductor to the primary, and the sec inductance will increase, simulating the increase of sec inductance instead of lowering it. 

Like I said, not sure if it matters one way or the other. Either way, the sec inductance will change by affecting the primary as described. ;)

As I said, if the change in inductance is the prime function of sec output of this device, then this changing of inductance will either work, or possibly it is not just(or not at all) the change of sec inductance that causes the effect. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 07:16:09 AM
Hey Mags,

I forgot to mention something that may help this magnet flux question.

I was doing more tests on trying to find a different resonating cap value on the high voltage coil and found one that was giving a small rise in voltage, then for some reason I shorted both the low voltage coils and instantly the voltage rise fell to nothing and would not climb back.
Would this not confirm that a magnetic flux was present in the cores until I neutralized it by shorting?

Luc

If you are saying you still have the primary on the open ecore with the sec, then I would put an amp meter across the primary(with series resistor as current limiter) to see if current is in the primary.  but thinking about it more, loading/shorting the primary will lower the sec inductance sending your resonant freq much higher. Sooo, larger caps to get back into resonance?  Then just leave the sec and cap alone, and just load the primary, lowering the voltage and increasing the current of the output. As the primary load changes, say when the light bulb goes from cold to hot, the freq will need to be adjusted for the 'hot' load to be in resonance, because changing the load on the primary will affect the sec inductance. The more the primary conducts, the lower the sec inductance will be. ;) So the appropriate cap and freq of spin will be needed to match peak output of the primary.  Seems complicated, but its not, and probably very well worth trying. ;D

Mags

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 07:26:09 AM
Hey Mags,

I forgot to mention something that may help this magnet flux question.

I was doing more tests on trying to find a different resonating cap value on the high voltage coil and found one that was giving a small rise in voltage, then for some reason I shorted both the low voltage coils and instantly the voltage rise fell to nothing and would not climb back.
Would this not confirm that a magnetic flux was present in the cores until I neutralized it by shorting?

Luc

Lol, I said all that and neglected the flux question... ::)


Well it seems we have to operate at resonance of the LC in order to get any output at all.  In your setup, if you remove the capacitor then adjust your scope to a more sensitive level, then if you see 'any' output, even tiny, I would say there may be some week field in the core, and when you do set up the LC for resonance, it is a very pronounced resonance. very.  ;)   Nice big fat resonance affect compared to ordinary 'generator'' action using even a very weak field in the core, shown by looking at the sec without the cap, having no resonance advantages.   

Did you try the compass tests I mentioned earlier?  I think it was yesterday.

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 16, 2014, 07:39:51 AM
Well at least this thread is not going off in as many random directions as the Akula 30 watt generator thread.

Nonetheless, for Wattsup:  The Rodin coil is just electronics quackery.  There is no vortex, it doesn't do anything special at all.


MileHigh
Maybe but they are fun to play with :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 07:43:43 AM
One more thing I just thought of.  have you tried backing off the gap distance at all from what you have shown?  Like open the gap say 1 or 2mm then try again to see if there is output, without BVVVVP! happening at all. Your function gen only goes to 1 decimal point. Once you have the freq that is closest to resonance, you could try doing small adjustments to the capacitance to fine tune even further.  This is what Romero was doing, increasing the spacing of the rotor mags and the pickup coils to 'reduce' lenz drag, but when the speed was up to the resonance of the coils, they would sing well at a distance. He said he spent a lot of time on those coils and tuning.  To get all 16 pickups to sing at the same freq, let alone have the same voltage output for best and equal output of each coil would be a daunting task.  Say if one coil was a bit off from the others, its output may not even add to the output cap due to it doesnt even hit as high a voltage as the others. Daunting task indeedy. ;)   Most people may not even consider those things.  Hand wound, fine litz wire, backing washers and backing magnet adjustments. But he took on that task and look what he made. ;D



Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 07:53:23 AM
Lol, I said all that and neglected the flux question... ::)


Well it seems we have to operate at resonance of the LC in order to get any output at all.  In your setup, if you remove the capacitor then adjust your scope to a more sensitive level, then if you see 'any' output, even tiny, I would say there may be some week field in the core, and when you do set up the LC for resonance, it is a very pronounced resonance. very.  ;)   Nice big fat resonance affect compared to ordinary 'generator'' action using even a very weak field in the core, shown by looking at the sec without the cap, having no resonance advantages.   

Did you try the compass tests I mentioned earlier?  I think it was yesterday.

Mags

Lets see, what would be a good way of getting rid of any magnetism in the core, or at least reduce it to a possible minimum?  Remove the coils and bake in the oven at 500deg for 45 min?  ;D

Remember also, the 'welding' on the core could easily implant a field in the core. ;) ;) Just thinking of possible ways it could have gotten there and if we could get rid of it all, if there is a field, would the box still do the BVVVP! or have any output at all? ;)

Im not trying to debunk. But to me, it would be natural to think along these lines first to eliminate things to find the target cause of effect.  Like I have been posting about since yesterday. ;)

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on April 16, 2014, 08:01:39 AM
Lol, if youu added mags to the open ecore poles N S N, glue, what ever it would take, then run the thing, would there be as much or more output than what you are getting? It would be a scene from Jaws, " I think we need a bigger box."  Stronger at least.  ;D   But then more lenz, more BVVVVAAPP!!!
But resonance should be higher freq. Stronger field(stiffer, tighter string on the guitar)
Just thinkin

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on April 16, 2014, 01:42:02 PM
Johan
Thanks for posting your "old" experiment.
It would seem you have achieved results that show OU?
Chet
Hi Chet,
Right, its a standard single phase motor, has 2 coils each over 2 core's, only the rotor also has a coil! ;-))
Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jack Noskills on April 16, 2014, 03:13:52 PM

You guys are familiar with Rotoverter concept ? Idea is to rewire the stator windings to get stronger electro magnet and reduce current flow through the drive coil. To further reduce power usage parallel capacitor is used to get system into resonance. Problem with this is that there is the rotor that also have coils shorted, so when rotor starts spinning it will create back emf to stator coils putting it out resonance. Proposed solution was to use capacitors adjusted to load: when load changes caps need to be also changed. This could be difficult task, don't know.


So what I am thinking is that what happens if coils in the rotor are just not used at all (disconnected or removed) ? Would the rotor still rotate ? Why not, if it is made of iron. Stator's rotating electro magnet would still attract the iron rotor. There would be less torque but if stator coils are in resonance then they would form stronger electromagnet. Another option is to use higher voltage and more turns in stator coils.


Would the result then be a motor without any drag and low power consumption because of resonance (it would run on reactive power only) ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on April 16, 2014, 06:00:43 PM
Here's a good page with animations for induction motors, if you scroll down nearer the bottom there is rotating fields and squirrel cages.

http://www.animations.physics.unsw.edu.au/jw/electricmotors.html

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 16, 2014, 08:14:37 PM



 I know this is off topic a bit but please watch this video of a real explanation that describes the Universe we live in. This is so close to the truth we must understand this completely.


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EguwaPRmamY
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 16, 2014, 08:56:58 PM
jbignes5,

I spent some time thinking about that patent you mentioned.  I have seen that one years ago when I first started looking into Tesla stuff.  The working principle there is rather simple.  It would be a lot easier to understand or at least visualize if 4 permanent magnets were used instead of the four coils on the stator, and then one belt was use to turn the stator, and another belt was use to turn the rotor.  If the belts were turning the two pieces in opposite directions at the same speed, then the effective rotational speed between the two part would be twice the physical speed of each one.  That's the idea of how Tesla was able to generator the equivalent output of higher speed generators with lower speed ones.  Tesla used one more level of complexity than what I described, in that he electrically rotated the pole of the stator coils with an AC generator he called an exciter. 

I having trouble understanding just what you mean by impulse, and how that fits into Tesla's electric dynamo.


Farmhand,

It's good to see you in on this one.  How's things going on the other forum?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 12:30:35 AM
jbignes5,

I spent some time thinking about that patent you mentioned.  I have seen that one years ago when I first started looking into Tesla stuff.  The working principle there is rather simple.  It would be a lot easier to understand or at least visualize if 4 permanent magnets were used instead of the four coils on the stator, and then one belt was use to turn the stator, and another belt was use to turn the rotor.  If the belts were turning the two pieces in opposite directions at the same speed, then the effective rotational speed between the two part would be twice the physical speed of each one.  That's the idea of how Tesla was able to generator the equivalent output of higher speed generators with lower speed ones.  Tesla used one more level of complexity than what I described, in that he electrically rotated the pole of the stator coils with an AC generator he called an exciter. 

I having trouble understanding just what you mean by impulse, and how that fits into Tesla's electric dynamo.


Farmhand,

It's good to see you in on this one.  How's things going on the other forum?


 If you use magnets in any other section of that patent then you loose the loop effect. This would destroy the concept. Tesla had this patent as the AC system he HAD designed. It was an improvement to that system as the text of the patent reads. The rotational fields can be simply adjusted by the wind direction which can be set to rotate in opposite direction the prime mover rotates PLUS the loop can be self maintained in that way. Also the belt was a pony break and he notes that this system was quite impossible to stop but there were limits to this. Those limits are the physical wire itself. Go beyond the current capability or the insulation and poof it would break.

 When the patent is adopted to a single shaft it creates a self pumping loop which you can harvest the extra current for use in the prime mover and additional loads via a transformer. The belt again was used to check the motor and increase the current in the rotor coils. What if you connected the belt to a transmission? Hmmm... This is where I connected this to the Pierce arrow experiment.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 17, 2014, 01:45:54 AM
As a suggestion there is no point in being all over the map, it seems to happen all time on these types of "device" threads.  I think that mining and linking to what the true replicators of the actual device are doing would be the most interesting.  What are their pictures, waveforms, and measurements like?  I am not sure if there is any hard data yet but I am not going to do an exhaustive search.  Perhaps someone really interested will carry that torch.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/136-working-prototype?start=12

Quote
Larry, what does it mean that " we dont have units for powering homes yet " ?????
 The top news asociated with QEG prototype is a free 10 kw device !!!!
 if thats true we got a home powering unit !!!

Will the question be answered I wonder.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 02:15:10 AM



 It was answered in a few of the videos provided. The 10k figure was a very short runtime and it couldn't maintain that power level hence the reason for a discovery period and further funding. The man said he had to back down the power to 4k which it could do easily. The problem being a weak insulation. This problem again showed up in the Taipei prototype which was talked about for the rewinding of the core. These problems were the main reason they went to Taipei. Since the first location was instructing an engineer and manufacturer, it would make learning about design improvement easier working with existing professionals.


 We will have to see about if this holds true and what updates are applied and what actually works.


 I'm still on the fence about the device but to me it sounds legit. But as usual time will only tell. As for the thread following a certain path, well it was sorta related since they look so similar and both are Tesla derived designs.


 I doubt the threads direction will make any difference at all to the outcome since this is not originated from the Device producers and since this thread is basically a bashing thread without the possibility of direct answers from the parties involved, it seems to me any direction is better than the current one.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jdsanders on April 17, 2014, 02:15:39 AM
Cool lecture, jbig.  Thanks for the link.   :)




 I know this is off topic a bit but please watch this video of a real explanation that describes the Universe we live in. This is so close to the truth we must understand this completely.


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EguwaPRmamY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EguwaPRmamY)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 02:18:41 AM
Cool lecture, jbig.  Thanks for the link.   :)


 Yeah this group is actually real scientists who are seeing things in a new light very very informative for re-educating people to the way it really is.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 17, 2014, 02:18:52 AM

 If you use magnets in any other section of that patent then you loose the loop effect. This would destroy the concept. Tesla had this patent as the AC system he HAD designed. It was an improvement to that system as the text of the patent reads. The rotational fields can be simply adjusted by the wind direction which can be set to rotate in opposite direction the prime mover rotates PLUS the loop can be self maintained in that way. Also the belt was a pony break and he notes that this system was quite impossible to stop but there were limits to this. Those limits are the physical wire itself. Go beyond the current capability or the insulation and poof it would break.


This dynamo seems to me to be a straight forward alternator with electrically rotated stator poles that can be used to increase or decrease the effective rotation speed of the armature.  What do you mean by loop effect?   

If one rotates a movable stator with magnets physically, or poles generated by coils in a fixed stator electrically the effect would be the same, provided the the strength of the magnets and the strength of the coils were the same.   

Where does Tesla claim the device is practically impossible to stop, in the patent or somewhere else?

Quote

 When the patent is adopted to a single shaft it creates a self pumping loop which you can harvest the extra current for use in the prime mover and additional loads via a transformer. The belt again was used to check the motor and increase the current in the rotor coils. What if you connected the belt to a transmission? Hmmm... This is where I connected this to the Pierce arrow experiment.

What so you mean by adopting the device to a single shaft?  What exactly would be attached to that shaft?

Also as I understand the Tesla's Pierce Arrow, there was an antenna and have a dozen tubes of some sort.  Are you trying to imply this dynamo was responsible for part or all the the reported self-sustaining operation of the vehicle?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 17, 2014, 02:29:29 AM

WITTS broadcast tonight:




"Fix The World organization has been making progress with their QEG (quantum energy generator) project.  Although the machine is capable of producing significant electrical power without a conventional fuel source, there are safety considerations that builders may not be aware of. Energy being derived with these types of devices is not only electrons like most engineers are familiar, but include other particles and fields not commonly taught in conventional electrical theory.  In addition to high voltages being generated, dominant energy systems can manifest large quantum energy pulses showing up at a distance which could cause fires or harm electronic equipment. WITTS Ministries advises experimenters to exercise extreme caution and urges serious engineers to consider taking a few classes before working at significant power levels.  Sir T will have more information on this week's broadcast."


http://www.witts.ws/
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 02:31:19 AM
This dynamo seems to me to be a straight forward alternator with electrically rotated stator poles that can be used to increase or decrease the effective rotation speed of the armature.  What do you mean by loop effect?   

If one rotates a movable stator with magnets physically, or the pole of fixed stator electrically the effect would be the same, provided the the strength of the magnets and the strength of the coils were the same.   

Where does Tesla claim the device is practically impossible to stop, in the patent or somewhere else?

What so you mean by adopting the device to a single shaft?  What exactly would be attached to that shaft?

Also as I understand the Tesla's Pierce Arrow, there was an antenna and have a dozen tubes of some sort.  Are you trying to imply this dynamo was responsible for part or all the the self-sustaining operation of the vehicle?


 The loop goes like this. It starts in the magneto. then gets put through the field coils. Since the field coils are of high voltage and low current there isn't much magnetic field created. The high voltage field then gets induced into the rotor coils which transform the high voltage field into low voltage high current. This creates a very large magnetic field in the rotor and a heavy current. The magnetic field locks onto the field cores and rotates cutting the field coils and generating more high voltage which then induces into the rotor coils again. This is a loop between the rotor and field cores. The heavy current can be tapped as shown and put through the transformer shown on the patent. Also Tesla states that the motor or prime mover should be made how he specifies in the patent. Yes it can be all done on the same shaft in fact that is probably the best way to do it, for timing issues.


 The antenna is a ruse and there is no indication it was used at all. The box was the impulse controls and Tesla designed special spark gap and diode tubes for the box. The motor control was via Tesla's standard magnetic motor control. He has a patent for it as well and hooked to the gas pedal.
 
The book Secrets of Cold war Technology, i believe has the story about the motors he was developing and had Westinghouse produce them for him. And yes this was all together one unit.

 http://borderlandresearch.com/book/secrets-cold-war-tech/chapter-1
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 17, 2014, 02:37:00 AM
WITTS broadcast tonight:




"Fix The World organization has been making progress with their QEG (quantum energy generator) project.  Although the machine is capable of producing significant electrical power without a conventional fuel source, there are safety considerations that builders may not be aware of. Energy being derived with these types of devices is not only electrons like most engineers are familiar, but include other particles and fields not commonly taught in conventional electrical theory.  In addition to high voltages being generated, dominant energy systems can manifest large quantum energy pulses showing up at a distance which could cause fires or harm electronic equipment. WITTS Ministries advises experimenters to exercise extreme caution and urges serious engineers to consider taking a few classes before working at significant power levels.  Sir T will have more information on this week's broadcast."


http://www.witts.ws/ (http://www.witts.ws/)


Bullshit meter pegged here, they want to cash in as well lol
This is hilarious
Will it ever end?


Just Like John R , Brady and many others they will milk the gullible as long as possible.
Any chance WITTS will show a verifiable working model its only been 20 years lol?


Mark

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 17, 2014, 02:39:10 AM

The book Cold war Secrets i believe has the story about the motors he was developing and had Westinghouse produce them for him. And yes this was all together one unit.


Would that be "Secrets of Cold War Technology" by Gerry Vassilatos?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 17, 2014, 02:41:10 AM

Bullshit meter pegged here, they want to cash in as well lol
This is hilarious
Will it ever end?


Just Like John R , Brady and many others they will milk the gullible as long as possible.
Any chance WITTS will show a verifiable working model its only been 20 years lol?


Mark


Chill out Mark. Just listen to see if you might learn something new?


cheers,


chrisC

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 17, 2014, 02:45:31 AM
Jbignes5,

Try to look at the thread as a thread looking for hard evidence.  The reason you look for hard evidence is that there are some basic facts that go ignored in search of the next free energy proposition.

The basic facts are that an inductor is not a source of free energy.  A mechanical inductor is a spring.  Anybody that plays with a spring quickly realizes you can only get out what you put in less losses.  Pull on a still spring and let go of it and it whips forward.  There is your high velocity/high voltage spike.  A transformer is not a source of free energy.  A mechanical transformer is a car's manual transmission in say third gear.  People intuitively know that a car's transmission is not a source of free energy.  Moving onto a capacitor, a mechanical capacitor is a water tower.  You pump water up into it and then you can get water from it, and people intuitively know that a water tower is not a source of free energy.

It's understandable that people find it hard to see the equivalencies but they are there.  When you put these components together in various ways they just give you compounding losses, not over unity.  That's why there is a very strong burden of proof that is on the shoulders of the proponents of the QEG or any other similar system.

Knowing that the burden of proof is so strong (they have to know it), the people working on the QEG should have gone out of their way to demonstrate and document their results.  Systems should have been demoed on top of glass tables or on solid concrete surfaces.  All measurements and waveforms and videos and live demonstrations in front of qualified observers and any other form of documentation should have been done before a single peep about a 9 kilowatt (10 minus the 1 feeding back) free energy system was even mentioned.

The current status is that you have the belief that the system outputs 4 kilowatts no problem and with proper adjustments to the coil insulation it will be 9 kilowatts.   I am not aware of anything tangible right now, just talk.  No pictures, video clips, and documentation for the allegedly no-issue-fee-running 4 kilowatt system right now - that follows the pattern that we have all seen way too many times before.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 17, 2014, 02:54:12 AM
People often seem to have trouble understanding the nature of resonance and tank circuits, more specifically how voltages and currents can rise numerous orders of magnitude, which can seem quite magical and quite surprising as insufficient capacitors, insulation, and conductors to fail dramatically, as resonance in a tank circuit is approached, and how tanks circuits can store a surprisingly large amount energy once in resonance, energy which can then be drawn off in large or small portions while the system remains in continuous operation.  The fact remains though, that one has to put energy in before one can take it out, and one can only take out as much as was put in minus resistive losses.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 17, 2014, 02:55:03 AM
Mark:

Quote
Bullshit meter pegged here, they want to cash in as well lol

I have to agree with you.  That looks like WITTS wants to feed at the new trough that this buzz is creating so they issue a ridiculous and fake warning and then they say this:

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WITTS Ministries advises experimenters to exercise extreme caution and urges serious engineers to consider taking a few classes before working at significant power levels.

Take a few classes at $1000 an hour?  (It's possible.)  Unbelievable.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 17, 2014, 03:04:36 AM
F_Brown:

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People often seem to have trouble understanding the nature of resonance and tank circuits.   More specifically how voltages and currents can rise numerous orders of magnitude within tank circuits as resonance is approached and how tanks circuits can store a surprising about of energy once in resonance, which can then be drawn off in small portions while the system remains in continuous operation.  The fact remains though, that one has to put energy in before one can take it out, and one can only take out as much as was put in minus resistive losses.

You are absolutely right.  When you think of the child on the swing example, the swing will swing high enough so that the amount of energy you supply with each push is equal to the amount of energy that is burnt off with the air friction.  So in addition to the in-out equation that you reference above, the sobering thought is that the electrically resonant circuit will climb in voltage in proportion to how much power you are able to put into it.  So depending on how you do your excitation, it's possible for a very impressive very high resonant voltage to actually represent a significant burn off of the supplied power.

That suggests a measurement:  When the QEG is resonating at a very high voltage without being connected to a load, how much power burn-off does that represent?  You can measure the DC resistance of your coil or coils, so you are poised to make that extremely important measurement.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 17, 2014, 03:14:10 AM


That suggests a measurement:  When the QEG is resonating at a very high voltage without being connected to a load, how much power burn-off does that represent?  You can measure the DC resistance of your coil or coils, so you are poised to make that extremely important measurement.

MileHigh

Yes.  I've been reflecting on the insulation breakdown in Taiwan.  A repeat of that could be avoided by adding some additional resistance in the HV primary circuit to limit current and dissipate some energy, or the gap of the spark gap could be reduced to limit the HV in the primary by another method.   Building up insulation around the core is sound, although limiting voltages and currents to known safe levels is always good practice too.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 03:15:03 AM



 Read this ok High boy....


http://borderlandresearch.com/book/secrets-cold-war-tech/chapter-1


 Read it all then re read it a few more times. Impulse technology does not conform to your Laws. But then again why would you know anything about it at all? If you can't read then maybe you can get it in preread recording.. Learn something new ok...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 03:22:33 AM
Yes.  I've been reflecting on the insulation breakdown in Taiwan.  A repeat of that could be avoided by adding some additional resistance in the HV primary circuit to limit current and dissipate some energy, or the gap of the spark gap could be reduced to limit the HV in the primary by another method.   Building up insulation around the core is sound, although limiting voltages and currents to known safe levels is always good practice too.


 They opted for insulating wraps in between layers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 17, 2014, 03:35:42 AM
With the QEG resonance is a narrow band of frequencies
because of the cyclical changes in inductance as the
rotor rotates.  It is being pumped.

What is the relationship between the resonant band
of the device and the rotor rate of magnetic reversals?

Or, should we say, what is the desired relationship?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 17, 2014, 03:40:19 AM
Jbignes5:

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Impulse technology does not conform to your Laws.

There is no such thing as "impulse technology."  You are just buying into some BS.

There is this:   [Signal] --> [Circuit]  --> [Response]

The "signal" could be a sine wave, a triangle wave, exponential waveform, pure DC, a pulse train, whatever.   Notice that includes your "impulse technology."

It's all perfectly well understood and analyzed through and through.

Here is a link for you:

http://books.google.ca/books/about/Advanced_Engineering_Mathematics.html?id=UnN8DpXI74EC&redir_esc=y

Quote
If you can't read then maybe you can get it in preread recording..

I advise you to stop that and keep the thread civil.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on April 17, 2014, 03:43:38 AM
Farmhand,

It's good to see you in on this one.  How's things going on the other forum?

I'm in a self imposed exile (forum wise) for a while, I recognized that I was getting obsessive with a certain project and I decided I needed to step back and clear my mind while I take care of some non related stuff and allow others to work on without any distraction from me. My gut told me I was missing something and I needed to step back and let my inspirations hit me rather than chase after it. I'm also kinda stuck in a position where I want to build some mechanical things with some engineering accuracy, but it's a bad time for me, too much to do and no time to think deeply.

I have plans for projects but they require parts made by machining. I intend to go back to building things for love of building, when I post about what I do it distracts my thinking due to the conversations I get into.

Cheers



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 17, 2014, 03:52:08 AM
R_Brown:

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I've been reflecting on the insulation breakdown in Taiwan.

I reposted the schematic.  Notice the four coils wound on the toroidal core.  The schematic suggests that you want to wind "left to right - multi layer" for each of th four coils so that as you go left to right across the coil the voltage rises linearly and there are no turns with excessively high voltage difference between them.  You don't want to wind "zig-zag - layer by layer." So the arcing should be resolvable one way or the other.

Certainly having a load on the system will also reduce the maximum AC voltage.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 17, 2014, 04:50:35 AM


 Read this ok High boy....


http://borderlandresearch.com/book/secrets-cold-war-tech/chapter-1 (http://borderlandresearch.com/book/secrets-cold-war-tech/chapter-1)


 Read it all then re read it a few more times. Impulse technology does not conform to your Laws. But then again why would you know anything about it at all? If you can't read then maybe you can get it in preread recording.. Learn something new ok...

Oh yeah Borderlands stuff.  I thought that sounded familiar.   I've been though that years ago.  I'll have a review.  Poor Eric Dollard, he failed to really get anywhere for all he put into that group.

Yep, insulation between winding layers is standard HV transformer practice, at least for vacuum tube plate and output transformers, and SMPS inductors for that matter.   With kilovolts being developed in the primary, I'm a bit surprised that James neglected to to that in the first place.  Perhaps that's because he's use to working with lower voltage motors.

However, I thought the report from Taiwan stated that they experienced trouble with the primary winding arcing to the core, rather than the primary arcing within itself.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 17, 2014, 04:54:59 AM
I'm in a self imposed exile (forum wise) for a while, I recognized that I was getting obsessive with a certain project and I decided I needed to step back and clear my mind while I take care of some non related stuff and allow others to work on without any distraction from me. My gut told me I was missing something and I needed to step back and let my inspirations hit me rather than chase after it. I'm also kinda stuck in a position where I want to build some mechanical things with some engineering accuracy, but it's a bad time for me, too much to do and no time to think deeply.

I have plans for projects but they require parts made by machining. I intend to go back to building things for love of building, when I post about what I do it distracts my thinking due to the conversations I get into.

Cheers

Yep, me too.  Life's been rougher then usual lately.  Recently, I just got into designing microwave antenna's and wave guides, neat stuff.  I also need to find a way to fabricate things in my shop with a sufficient degree of mechanical precision for those frequencies using only hand tools.  What's life without challenges aye?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 17, 2014, 05:17:11 AM
News about the QEG:
 Only about 420 Watts Output while putting in 1 KW ....
 Output is only about 200 Volts AC and 2.1 Amps ...
 Was expected by me..the whole thing looks like a big donation scam..pretty sad.. http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 17, 2014, 05:23:39 AM
News about the QEG:
 Only about 420 Watts Output while putting in 1 KW ....
 Output is only about 200 Volts AC and 2.1 Amps ...
 Was expected by me..the whole thing looks like a big donation scam..pretty sad.. http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf)
Man who could have seen that coming... *ducks*
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 06:11:18 AM
News about the QEG:
 Only about 420 Watts Output while putting in 1 KW ....
 Output is only about 200 Volts AC and 2.1 Amps ...
 Was expected by me..the whole thing looks like a big donation scam..pretty sad.. http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf)


 Are you saying you built it or taking numbers out of context from the link you posted?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 06:17:07 AM
Jbignes5:

There is no such thing as "impulse technology."  You are just buying into some BS.

There is this:   [Signal] --> [Circuit]  --> [Response]

The "signal" could be a sine wave, a triangle wave, exponential waveform, pure DC, a pulse train, whatever.   Notice that includes your "impulse technology."

It's all perfectly well understood and analyzed through and through.

Here is a link for you:

http://books.google.ca/books/about/Advanced_Engineering_Mathematics.html?id=UnN8DpXI74EC&redir_esc=y (http://books.google.ca/books/about/Advanced_Engineering_Mathematics.html?id=UnN8DpXI74EC&redir_esc=y)

I advise you to stop that and keep the thread civil.

MileHigh


 Wow so you can't read then. You know just don't post to me anymore. I won't post to you. Agreed? Ignorance is bliss.. No impulse technology?? Get a life...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 17, 2014, 06:47:20 AM
News about the QEG:
 Only about 420 Watts Output while putting in 1 KW ....
 Output is only about 200 Volts AC and 2.1 Amps ...
 Was expected by me..the whole thing looks like a big donation scam..pretty sad.. http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/QuestionsAnswersQEG4-4-2014-b.pdf)

Hi Stefan,

I looked through the Q & A link you posted but could not find where they say the input is 1KW

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 17, 2014, 12:11:20 PM
The questions are:
What is the factor Q in serie ?
Is the voltage in resonance is in fact superior to 24000 volts ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 17, 2014, 12:30:30 PM
Jbignes5:

There is no reason that we can't discuss the evolution of this QEG project in a civil way.  The notion that "impulse technology" is something not understood is simply not true.  That book by Gerry Vassilatos is the equivalent of supermarket tabloid trash masquerading as a "serious" book.

Here is a funny quote from an Amazon reviewer of his "Lost Science" book:

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This is the only book that I bought in the authors substantial output and will be the only one.  It suffers from one basic flaw and that is simply put, the author does not give one, not one single source for any claim made on any page in the book.  In the back of the book is a bibliography.  In this he quotes from FIVE of his own books, the Vril Compendium Series. So, the reader of Lost Science has to then hope that those books will have some sources, etc.  Take for example the material on T.T. Brown.  When he writes with great certainty the events he says happened to Brown he does not give a source.

Here is a 976 page serious science book on "impulse technology:"

http://www.introni.it/pdf/Millman%20-%20Taub%20-%20Pulse%20and%20Digital%20Switching%20Waveforms%201965.pdf (http://www.introni.it/pdf/Millman%20-%20Taub%20-%20Pulse%20and%20Digital%20Switching%20Waveforms%201965.pdf)

I could pull up 100 more links on stuff like this.  So believe me when I tell you that there is no basis in fact about the "secret" of "impulse technology."

If you want to disagree, then fine.  Just don't act like a schoolyard bully in grade 6.

Going back to the QEG, I did read a reference somewhere that somebody got about 50% efficiency.  I believe that it was 1000 watts in and 500 (possibly 400) watts out.   I think there is also a related YouTube clip where the system reaches resonance and the light bulb load lights up.

The big question in my mind is if the people that bought into this thing will be upset assuming that it's proven to fail to work.  Will there be a big backlash?   Suppose you have a group of 10 people that put in 500 bucks each.  So with their $5000 they build a faithful replication and it doesn't work as claimed.  If within that group of 10 people you have one person that really knows what they are doing technically, and one or two people that don't come from the culture of the free energy forums and are upset, there could be a lot of heat brought down on HopeGirl and the Fix the World group.

Time will tell.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 17, 2014, 01:40:40 PM
Or the way is to simply do the same resonance frequency to secondary?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wattsup on April 17, 2014, 03:13:56 PM
@MH

Rodin may be a joke if it is only used for spinning a sphere magnet but Rodin is no joke if the effect is real. Vortex, spinning fields or virtual spinning fields do exist and so does the ability of an alternator stator to output from rotation. Just look at how the windings are done in an alternator stator. Very analog to a Rodin. Pairing these would be a natural fit. I am not inferring that there is no R&D involved because there always is. Lastly, when I post, I am usually talking to the majority who never post and I know who are looking for ideas to push them near a new edge which is the basic foundation of OU research. I see a guy doing experiments and I try to push them further along because it is a mutual learning experience.

@stefan

Why am I not surprised. So as usual, we have to do better.

@Magluvin

Lets say we negate the possibility of any field in the cores and are null of magnetic field. Unless possibly Earths field has a part in it.(Rotate the box in different directions to find out?) If the thought of just the changing value of inductance is the effect producer, then there is another way of changing the inductance other than changing the core values as Luc has demonstrated.

Yes I was thinking the same thing. There may be a preferred angle that will produce even slightly more output on the primary or secondary since both are really secondaries if you are considering this.

@gotoluc

I'll energize the solenoid and measure it for you Thursday night. Been busy with other stuff.

Another point is that the solenoid does not have to move the I core flat-to-flat (f2f) (although testing f2f would be good) on the E core. The I core could have a pivot on one end and do the same thing. That would support a good majority of the weight of the I core so the solenoid is free to just provide the motion. Actually the I core on a pivot and then complete I/E core assembly secured at a slight angle to keep the I core centered on its pivot point will lower the movement energy even more. Also, you could have an I core on a pivot (or f2f) between two E cores, so at each back or forth movement an E core is contacted by that one I core. I can go on and on but the basic idea is to not rotate the I core.

This could even be used by ocean waves, pushing then pulling back I core structures.

I consider that the I/E MOT cores plus the copper wires are already energized by the Earth field. What I mean by energized is better said that it is biased by the Earth field. The approaching I core changes the bias of that contact area of the core and that change is sensed by both the primary and secondary that creates a potential difference in the coils, hence output. When the I core leaves, the Earth field then spins, rewinds, resets or re-biases everything back to their original bias so fast thus producing a second change that translates to more output, so half (or more) of the work is being done by the Earth field in this type of setup that would be totally dependent on the Earth fields' contribution to the effect.

By contrast, when you pulse DC or apply AC, the produced fluctuation is continuously controlling all aspects of the biasing polarity changes in the core so the Earth field is just there as an impartial observer and not really participating to any great degree in adding its impress to the overall system. Actually the Earth field would be acting as a constant break or damper in these circumstances because it supplies a its own bias orientation against the two polarities of the pulse. Yes it will be very slight but it will always be there all the same.

So this would be more of a passive system that would be harnessing energy from the Earth field. Cool.

@gotoluc and @woopy

If there is Earth bias at play, maybe consider placing a ground wire at different locations on the MOT core via a remote switch to see if while the I core passes through, does the output change. Maybe the Earth ground can be used on the E core to create an even greater change. With the ground being switched you can try switching in the ground when the I core is at closest position to see if there are not only regions of the core but timing as well to apply the ground against the Earth field bias. Coils love change so the name of the game is to increase the change via any minimal energy consuming method. Also, the I core (on a pivot) could be grounded to see the effect of Earth ground (I core) meeting Earth field (E core). Just more ways to play. hehehe

wattsup
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 17, 2014, 05:18:45 PM
http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg397287/#msg397287
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 17, 2014, 06:31:56 PM

 Are you saying you built it or taking numbers out of context from the link you posted?
Agree.  Nowhere in the pdf did it say they were using 1KW input on that situation.   But another quote from the pdf : "-we are about a day and 1/2 from having a self-running QEG in Taiwan - we'll have a video after that. "
I'd give 'em 5 days.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: woopy on April 17, 2014, 07:27:56 PM
Hi Wattsup

thank's for your input.

I tried your proposal as to close one leg of the 2 opposite U cores and let pass the alu rotor only on the other side. It work also but seems not better than when it cross the 2 cores as per my video. Than i put a magnet between one end of the core , but by simply passing the alu rotor i clearly feel the braking due to Eddy currents, so it will change the basis of the aim of this experiment.

Than i redo the montage with one core/coil as per my first video, (for info, when dismantled, i have checked the magnetism with a compass to be sure there is no residual magnetism in the core ) and i tried to accelerate the rotor
. I have got ,  good result and resonnace tuning, but above 3500 rpm , my rotor began to unbalance , and knocked the core and game over.

So for me this experiment was just to check the variation of inductance and the effect. But i will stop here and wait for further result from the QEG people, if any.

Anyway very interesting stuff, once more, to improve my knowledge.

Good luck to you and all

Laurent
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 17, 2014, 09:44:52 PM
Agree.  Nowhere in the pdf did it say they were using 1KW input on that situation.   But another quote from the pdf : "-we are about a day and 1/2 from having a self-running QEG in Taiwan - we'll have a video after that. "
I'd give 'em 5 days.


True there was no mention of the input wattage, however, that PDF was dated April 4th... it has already been 13 days and counting.


-- Somewhere in the discussion it was mentioned that the machine had to be "re-tuned" each time it is moved. This lends credence to the idea that the earths magnetic fields are influencing the machine in some significant way.[size=78%] [/size]
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 17, 2014, 10:47:14 PM


 What does the Q mean in QED?


 Lets look at a very long series on what is currently being seen and the new revelations of what it means...


 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7UOCw-FsIc


 This is a 6 part series. Please watch it all to fully understand what is being understood and how they are proving it.

 And I will back out of this discussion. There is a lot being discovered and what is being discovered is a lot of flim flam to make things work with our current models. This is an exciting time to be alive as we start proving the old entrenched theories wrong or skewed. Now it is up to us to admit that we could be wrong and have the courage to put it right.

 I doubt some would even take the time to really understand this video series. Those people are sheeple. They are taught from day one to obey and not question. They will not go along till there is a real device to prove it. They are not my and others concern. Who is our concern are the ones who want the truth or as near as we can see the truth. You want to know what it is all about then watch the whole series of videos. Thank you for your time.

 May the Universe bless you all with abundance,
 jbignes5
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 18, 2014, 01:55:18 AM
Wattsup:

This is off topic but it is worth mentioning.

I am not sure what effect you are referring to for the Rodin coil?  A vortex?

Look, you know what the magnetic field is like around a very long straight wire carrying DC current, right?  You know that a shorter length of straight wire will have approximately the same magnetic field pattern.  You know that the magnetic field at any point in space is represented by a vector.  You know how vectors add together.

So why can't you just crunch this in your head?  Let's look at a "Rodin starship" coil, because it ties directly into what I said above.  The starship coil is just a bunch of straight lengths of wire.  Visualize the field from each wire, and add them all together as a vector addition in your head.  You visualize how on the outer "points" there is quite a bot of vector cancellation.   When you back up a bit and look at it from further away, what do you have?

The answer is just a lousy version of a regular cylindrical coil.  You use more wire to get the same inductance, and there is a lot of useless magnetic vector cancellation.  The Rodin starship coil will always be beat out by a regular coil.

What about a vortex?  When you do the vector addition in your head, do you get a vortex or not?

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 18, 2014, 03:42:46 AM
Quote from: MilesHigher
What about a vortex?  When you do the vector addition in your head, do you get a vortex or not?

You mean, like a headache?  A vortex in the head?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wattsup on April 18, 2014, 04:01:53 PM
@MH

Why are you talking about a Starship coil? And why do I have to get something in my head? Because you said so? That's coming on kind of strong there man.

The Rodin coil is several coils in one, each coil goes around and over several times over the stator, put all the coils together and you do start to produce a turning impress. There is no cancellation and no crossing wires. Call it vortex, call it spinning field, call it what you want, who cares about the name. As long as a pulse can move successively around the inside wall of an alternator, that is exactly the idea.

Whatever it is, it seems like a sphere magnet really likes it. So why not a stator that just loves the same thing. Might require stouter wire and like I explained, it may require a ramping up to get it going and surely there is R&D involved. I think I portrayed the idea as realistically as possible. I will try it eventually but these days my bench is kind of full.

@woopy

Thanks so much for trying those and providing your results. The single side by side one is not that surprising since less core is exposed, but the one with magnets could still require further tests using maybe a single weaker magnet, or two weaker magnets in repulsion (souths out try, then norths out try) held in place between their mutual end. Since in the Northern Hemisphere the south field is predominant using a two magnets with north field facing into both cores ends would be a logical trial. It is when playing with all the variables that an effect can be found. If you don't play, you won't score so thanks again. Sorry to learn about the breakage. Keep well and thanks again.

@gotoluc

Got in late last night. Will do the solenoid throw distance measurement today.

wattsup

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 18, 2014, 05:27:54 PM
Wattsup:

A regular cylindrical coil will make a ball magnet spin much better than a Rodin coil.

Quote
The Rodin coil is several coils in one, each coil goes around and over several times over the stator, put all the coils together and you do start to produce a turning impress. There is no cancellation and no crossing wires.

It's not several coils in one and there is no turning impress.  Put DC through a regular Rodin coil or a starship Rodin coil and you will get a static unchanging magnetic field just like you will for a regular coil.  There is tons of magnetic field self-cancellation going on in a Rodin coil, and there is also self-cancellation happening in a regular coil.  There is no spinning anything happening anywhere in a Rodin coil.  I guess that you can't visualize this so I give up.

Like I said, a Rodin coil is a piece of electronics quackery.

Look, a simple diagram with two parallel wires A and B with DC current in each wire flowing left to right:


[region of addition]

A >---------------->

[region of cancellation]

B >---------------->

[region of addition]


Now, let's have wire A and wire B carry current in opposite directions:



[region of cancellation]

A >---------------->

[region of addition]

B <----------------<

[region of cancellation]


If you can't apply this to a Rodin starship coil or any arrangement of current carrying wire by visualizing this in your mind then you have to go back to basics.  I will repeat that a Rodin starship coil is full of areas where the magnetic field cancels itself out.  That means that some of the wire in the starship coil is not doing anything useful, it's just acting as a resistor burning off power for nothing.  A regular cylindrical coil will be more efficient than a Rodin coil every time.  I define efficiency in this case as how much magnetic fiux you can produce for a given length of wire.  You could also define it as how much magnetic flux you can produce per watt of resistive power loss in the wire.  A cylindrical coil wins out in both cases.

One of the most abused terms on the free energy forums is "efficiency."   An example, "That pulse motor is very efficient."  That statement is meaningless.  Call that a micro rant.

Anyway, this is off topic so back to the QEG.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 18, 2014, 06:01:44 PM
Here are some links to my little look into the Rodin coil.  As far as I can tell any coil wound the "Starship" way with the wires distancing themselves far from the torus would just let the magnetic field escape and dissipate itself every which way.  Only a coil that completely covered the torus form and stayed right up against it would contain and twist the magnetic field in the way I describe in the videos.  I think it was IBM research labs that did a good quantitative study on the Rodin coil and they found the only unusual things about it was that it has a slightly higher than usual amount of inductance for an air core coil, and that the use of a ferrite core fails to increase the inductance of the coil in any significant way.

Part 1:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DyaRzVxp2Y

Part 2:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBrdLYxCisI

Part 3:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdrZB4UTvxI

Please forgive the simple production of these videos.  They were the first ones I made some years ago.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 18, 2014, 09:18:17 PM
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Freezer on April 18, 2014, 09:50:57 PM
@MH

Why are you talking about a Starship coil? And why do I have to get something in my head? Because you said so? That's coming on kind of strong there man.

The Rodin coil is several coils in one, each coil goes around and over several times over the stator, put all the coils together and you do start to produce a turning impress. There is no cancellation and no crossing wires. Call it vortex, call it spinning field, call it what you want, who cares about the name. As long as a pulse can move successively around the inside wall of an alternator, that is exactly the idea.

Whatever it is, it seems like a sphere magnet really likes it. So why not a stator that just loves the same thing. Might require stouter wire and like I explained, it may require a ramping up to get it going and surely there is R&D involved. I think I portrayed the idea as realistically as possible. I will try it eventually but these days my bench is kind of full.

Honestly I don't think anyone has really built a true rodin coil.  I built a couple, but I wouldn't say they are true rodin coils.  He stated that the wire has to be changing in diameter through each winding, but there is no wire available such as this, that I know of, and I have never seen anyone wind a coil with this kind of wire.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 18, 2014, 10:14:08 PM
F_Brown,

Your clips are very nicely done.  Note that Marko Rodin and the QEG team make similar claims that quantum or some kind of zero point energy enters the coil.  There is a clip from a few years ago where Marko rather smugly claims that his coil will solve the world's energy problems.  How long have people been playing with Rodin coils now, perhaps five or more years?

Suppose you do a real "Black Box" experiment.  You put a Rodin coil inside a shoe box and a regular cylindrical coil inside another shoe box.  Each box has two terminal posts.  How do you check if what's in the shoe box is a regular coil or a Rodin coil?

The answer is that you can't, they both will behave approximately the same.  And therein lies the problem with the Rodin coil.  It's a farce.  Plus I bet you that Marko Rodin can't even tell you how a coil actually works.  When people do the "speaker" test and put a magnet on top of the coil to turn it into a speaker when they excite the coil, they are demonstrating something that has absolutely nothing to do with the coil itself.

Transformers for low frequency power applications or for high frequency radio and signal processing applications have been around for a long time.  If there was some sort of "magic secret sauce" it would have been found about 100 years ago.  It would not have been the WITTS group or the QEG group that "discovered" something.

I read that HopeGirl, Naima Feagin, is married to the lead engineer on the project, James Robitaille.  So between "Fix the World" and the QEG and the crowd funding and all the different variations thereof, don't be surprised if there are more than 100 "Donate" buttons that go into their portfolio of Paypal accounts.  That sounds like a two-year paid vacation in the making to me.

If the main claim is that when the QEG is at resonance that quantum energy is magically injected into the core then it won't happen.  A resonating LC circuit and the real quantum energy that physicists research and study have nothing to do with each other.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 18, 2014, 10:26:03 PM
Freezer,

Quote
He stated that the wire has to be changing in diameter through each winding

I find that laughable.  I wonder if anyone ever asked him why.

What is the magnetic field inside a wire of radius R?   What is the magnetic field outside a wire of radius R?  I will assume that Marko would not be able to answer those questions, he would choke.

The answers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUfZR33FblY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef9R3imCesY

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 18, 2014, 10:32:34 PM



 Wow again you have dragged me into this with your ignorant explanations.


" [size=78%]I read that HopeGirl, Naima Feagin, is married to the lead engineer on the project, James Robitaille.  So between "Fix the World" and the QEG and the crowd funding and all the different variations thereof, don't be surprised if there are more than 100 "Donate" buttons that go into their portfolio of Paypal accounts.  That sounds like a two-year paid vacation in the making to me.[/size]If the main claim is that when the QEG is at resonance that quantum energy is magically injected into the core then it won't happen.  A resonating LC circuit and the real quantum energy that physicists research and study have nothing to do with each other."


 It doesn't matter what you "Think" is happening with hopegirl. You are throwing BS in your rants to bring doubt to the claims of hopegirl. Lets stick to the facts like you have said many times.


 Again What is quantum anything? Is it something or nothing at all? Here is my take on this. If you have matter and it is in the quantum realm as atoms are then it has access to all the energy of the quantum world right? If energy could be imparted to the matter then it must come from what connects everything. Learning how to access this energy is the trick. Through resonance we know we can tune to certain frequencies right? Even the harmonic frequencies as well right? It's that simple and you need to stop stating BS about this.


 Again lets wait before you give judgement of a field of work that you have no education in or even the first clue about. You are clueless in this area and hence why you have the same stance as the others who lived over 100 years ago. The earth is flat you cry and now it is time to prove that or shut the yap and let them prove their take on this.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 18, 2014, 10:58:42 PM
Jbignes5:

You have to learn to debate without throwing a hissy fit.  The facts as far as we know right now are that there is no tangible concrete proof that the QEG is real.  The facts are that quantum energy and a resonating coil on a macro scale have nothing to do with each other.  The facts are that the only way to get power out of a coil is to have changing magnetic flux inside the coil.  The facts are that it takes real tangible electric power to create changing magnetic flux inside a coil.  Alternatively it takes real tangible mechanical power moving a magnet past a coil to create changing magnetic flux inside a coil.

You are the one speculating (or throwing BS) when you say this, "If you have matter and it is in the quantum realm as atoms are then it has access to all the energy of the quantum world right? If energy could be imparted to the matter then it must come from what connects everything. Learning how to access this energy is the trick."

That's all just pure speculation on your part.  The answer to our energy problems or the question about the validity of the QEG is not found by linking to a New Age YouTube clip or by singing Kumbaya around a campfire.

Quote
Again lets wait before you give judgement of a field of work that you have no education in or even the first clue about.

You are talking about yourself in the above statement.

Like it or not, many of us are fed up with "quantum plays" and "resonance plays" when it comes to alleged systems that are supposed to produce free energy.  Don't be surprised if the news gets bleaker and gloomier for the QEG proposition as time goes on.  That's my speculation and I have been correct in the past when it comes to things like this.

If that scenario turns out to indeed be true, then what are you left with?  The answer is money in various Paypal accounts where the owners of those Paypal accounts are accountable to nobody.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wattsup on April 18, 2014, 11:38:16 PM
@F_Brown

Thanks for your three videos on the Rodin. Also the little discussion of black holes is interesting. I can provide you with my own take on black holes of which I do not consider a Rodin to be anywhere near this type of level.

My take on the black holes, universe thing can be found here in case there is interest.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/theoreticals/

Your description of the two conductor Rodin, pulse one tank the other is not what I have in mind.  Once the Rodin is in place over an alternator stator, it will be pulsed to the resonance of the stator. This is where I have never seen a Rodin being used. The frequency will be much higher since of course the Rodin will not be able to work at the low rotary alternator frequencies that have drag pushing the effect to high amperage. This would be virtually initiated so lighter impress but higher frequency to try and push the effect.

Eventually I will build this and test it out.

@MH

All coils are useless if you don't find the good mix. Your negativity is not justified.

wattsup
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 19, 2014, 01:49:34 AM
F_Brown,

Your clips are very nicely done.  Note that Marko Rodin and the QEG team make similar claims that quantum or some kind of zero point energy enters the coil.  There is a clip from a few years ago where Marko rather smugly claims that his coil will solve the world's energy problems.  How long have people been playing with Rodin coils now, perhaps five or more years?


Marko states that the black hole formed in the center of the coil radiates photons, and all that one has to do to capture energy from the coil is to put photocells around the center of it to receive the emitted photons.  The trouble with Marko is that he refuses to learn traditional science as understood by credentialed scientists.   On the other hand credentialed scientists that have studied Marko's documents, state that what he presents is more like numerology or combinatorics rather than actual physics.  So, there is this chasm in communication between Marko and trained scientists that Marko has now given up all attempts at trying to cross because trained scientists have simply shown themselves time and time again to be incapable of understanding the validity and applicability of his vortex based mathematics.

Quote
 

Suppose you do a real "Black Box" experiment.  You put a Rodin coil inside a shoe box and a regular cylindrical coil inside another shoe box.  Each box has two terminal posts.  How do you check if what's in the shoe box is a regular coil or a Rodin coil?

The answer is that you can't, they both will behave approximately the same.  And therein lies the problem with the Rodin coil.  It's a farce.  Plus I bet you that Marko Rodin can't even tell you how a coil actually works.  When people do the "speaker" test and put a magnet on top of the coil to turn it into a speaker when they excite the coil, they are demonstrating something that has absolutely nothing to do with the coil itself.


I would expect if one used a hall sensor to map out to a sufficient degree of detail the magnetic field of a Rodin coil, a solenoid coil, and a toroidal coil all built with the same diameter and turns, that differentiating which coil was in the box by the magnetic field emitted from it would probable be possible.

Quote

Transformers for low frequency power applications or for high frequency radio and signal processing applications have been around for a long time.  If there was some sort of "magic secret sauce" it would have been found about 100 years ago.  It would not have been the WITTS group or the QEG group that "discovered" something.

I read that HopeGirl, Naima Feagin, is married to the lead engineer on the project, James Robitaille.  So between "Fix the World" and the QEG and the crowd funding and all the different variations thereof, don't be surprised if there are more than 100 "Donate" buttons that go into their portfolio of Paypal accounts.  That sounds like a two-year paid vacation in the making to me.

If the main claim is that when the QEG is at resonance that quantum energy is magically injected into the core then it won't happen.  A resonating LC circuit and the real quantum energy that physicists research and study have nothing to do with each other.

MileHigh

People seem to be buying delusions and lies like hotcakes these days, while truth is all too often ignored and ever more frequently prosecuted.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 19, 2014, 02:04:54 AM
@F_Brown

Thanks for your three videos on the Rodin. Also the little discussion of black holes is interesting. I can provide you with my own take on black holes of which I do not consider a Rodin to be anywhere near this type of level.

My take on the black holes, universe thing can be found here in case there is interest.
http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/theoreticals/ (http://purco.qc.ca/ftp/Wattsups%27%20stuff/theoreticals/)

Your description of the two conductor Rodin, pulse one tank the other is not what I have in mind.  Once the Rodin is in place over an alternator stator, it will be pulsed to the resonance of the stator. This is where I have never seen a Rodin being used. The frequency will be much higher since of course the Rodin will not be able to work at the low rotary alternator frequencies that have drag pushing the effect to high amperage. This would be virtually initiated so lighter impress but higher frequency to try and push the effect.

Eventually I will build this and test it out.

wattsup

There have been people exploring Rodin coil to Rodin coil transfer of signals and energy.  The I think the IBM group said it might have some potential for use as an antenna for high frequency stuff.  That report was on the web, although one really has to hunt for it.  I have yet to look into such things.  Alas, I also think I was far from creating a bench-top black hole by putting a couple of amps through a hundred or so turns of thin wire.  I do want to build a larger coil with multiple layers of 12 or 10 gauge wire and put some significant power into one, however there are so many other things work on that I find the time and expense that would take to be of low priority, maybe someday.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 19, 2014, 02:09:31 AM
F_Brown:

It's almost funny with Marko talking about a black hole forming at the center of his coil.  It's because black holes do radiate high-energy photons when mass is sucked into them.  Has Marko done the photocell experiment?  Is he talking about a "ring" black hole inside the donut or is he talking about a point black hole at the very center of the donut I wonder.

I am assuming that you are aware of what a black hole is.  How Marko can utter that nonsense with a straight face or how people can listen to him state that with straight faces is beyond me.

I don't expect that Marko will explain how his nano black holes mysteriously appear and where all the extra mass suddenly comes from.  Hey, it might be a million tons of mass that forms the ring inside the donut.  I am surprised that he hasn't sucked himself out of existence and gone out in a blaze of x-ray and gamma ray photon glory.

The chasm is really really wide.  lol

It may indeed be possible to see differences in the magnetic field pattern.  But normally when you are discussing the energy dynamics of a coil, you talk about the electrical properties of a two-terminal device.  You will be able to see different two-terminal behaviour but both behaviours will look like inductors.  Something like observing a 200 millihenry inductor in one shoe box and a 214 millihenry inductor in the other shoe box.  In other words, no tangible difference between the two.

Delusions, indeed.  Let's see how Naima and James manage the next six months in their lives.  I am guessing that they will "go dark" and disappear from the Internet.  Of course the conspiracy theorists will have their own explanation for that.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 19, 2014, 02:32:32 AM
Marko can say that stuff with a straight face because he's never studied physics.  He simple lacks the information required for him to realize just how ridiculous his statements sound to people who have studied physics.  Anyway, it's kind of amusing how the twisted structure of the magnetic field in the center of the coil might possibly be able to have some effect on the fabric of space time, if--and this is a big if--it were sufficient intense.  Apparently the formation of this twisted magnetic field in the center of the coil, that's been called a vortex, has been reasonably shown to occur, although this is quite different from the vortices that Marko talks about forming along the sheer lines of the windings.  Anyway, just how intense would it need to be to form a pseudo black hole, or if it even could, who knows?  I expect though, how ever intense that is, it will remain beyond the means of my workshop.

If this QEG proves to be a dud, I've been wondering what the Taiwanese are going to do to them.  They're kind of stuck there until they let them out. 

Bruce Depalma got people to spend millions to build ever bigger versions of his machine, each and every one of which failed to operate over-unity.  Joseph Neuman went on and on about his machine for decades without ever proving over-unity.  Oh well...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 19, 2014, 03:03:46 AM
Hi Stefan,

I looked through the Q & A link you posted but could not find where they say the input is 1KW

Luc

Yes, that was not in the Q&A section,
but as they have stated before, at the maximum output of about 9300 Watts they had about 1 KWatts of input as stated by
Robitaile in the interview with Sterling Allan ( actually he said only he had around 1/10th the input of the output)

So I assumed, that they now in Taiwan with the second prototype they are building only getting about 420 Watts out at the maximum input, which is supposedly 1 KWatts....

I also wonder, why they at all went through the trouble of travelling to Taiwan to build another
prototype and not just verified their first prototype first, which Robitaille has build himself in his garage ?

Did he make output measurement errors at his home, when he saw and measured the "raw power" ??

Maybe he made the wrong conclusions just measuring open circuit voltage in the  KVolt range and just only
shortcircuit current in the amp range and concluded from it, that just by multiplying he could get 10 KWatts
of output power, but never really measured the actual output power on real loads ?
Although he stated to Sterling Allan in his interview, that he tested it with lamps and heater elements...

Hmm...normally these measurements are not too hard to do to get at least a measurement done without too much
error range..
How did he measure the 9300 Watts he mentioned in the interview ?
Sterling also did not ask him that question, which was unfortunately the only question he really should have pushed and shopuld have demanded answers from him...

So I wonder what they will show in Marrokko and what they will show, when they are back home in the USA again...

Will it then come out, that he just had measurement errors in the garage with his own prototype and maybe they
had better measurement equipment in Taiwan, so they did not make the measurement errors there and saw the
real output, which was only 420 Watts and not 9300 Watts at around 1 KWatts of input power ?

I also wonder, if the people, who donated lots of money will say, if they can not show a selfrunnig device and
all will fail. Will they demand their money back ?

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 19, 2014, 03:24:00 AM
This whole thing has played out oddly...all this hype, all the visions...and now nothing ?

Hmmm, maybe somebody sent some Malaysian plane tickets to some family members of Robitaille.

Regards...


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 19, 2014, 03:24:28 AM
JL Naudin looked into the vortex stuff some time ago:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/torsion.htm

It's all interesting, although he stopped short of taking it to a useful point.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 19, 2014, 02:39:39 PM
JL Naudin looked into the vortex stuff some time ago:

http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/torsion.htm (http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/torsion.htm)

It's all interesting, although he stopped short of taking it to a useful point.


He did some good work, but as all others are found it always stop short of 100%. I have seen many that never make it to the forums and some have had 25 years work into their devices. perhaps one day it will happen but history has been cruel.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 19, 2014, 02:48:25 PM
If this QEG proves to be a dud, I've been wondering what the Taiwanese are going to do to them.  They're kind of stuck there until they let them out. 
I am a frequent visitor to Taiwan, they are a good country and good people. They are not being held and will leave eventually when their hosts kind of figure out they have been had. i do not think they will be in any through or danger, but will not be welcome back. I think it will be a big embarrassment for the Taiwan Company and Chinese , they will be in damage control.
 I am more concerned about the good people of Morocco who will be left with a non working devcie.
Meantime HopeGirl orders anotehr martini at 30,000 ft lol
Kind Regards
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 19, 2014, 03:49:13 PM
Jbignes5:

You have to learn to debate without throwing a hissy fit.  The facts as far as we know right now are that there is no tangible concrete proof that the QEG is real.  The facts are that quantum energy and a resonating coil on a macro scale have nothing to do with each other.  The facts are that the only way to get power out of a coil is to have changing magnetic flux inside the coil.  The facts are that it takes real tangible electric power to create changing magnetic flux inside a coil.  Alternatively it takes real tangible mechanical power moving a magnet past a coil to create changing magnetic flux inside a coil.

You are the one speculating (or throwing BS) when you say this, "If you have matter and it is in the quantum realm as atoms are then it has access to all the energy of the quantum world right? If energy could be imparted to the matter then it must come from what connects everything. Learning how to access this energy is the trick."

That's all just pure speculation on your part.  The answer to our energy problems or the question about the validity of the QEG is not found by linking to a New Age YouTube clip or by singing Kumbaya around a campfire.

You are talking about yourself in the above statement.

Like it or not, many of us are fed up with "quantum plays" and "resonance plays" when it comes to alleged systems that are supposed to produce free energy.  Don't be surprised if the news gets bleaker and gloomier for the QEG proposition as time goes on.  That's my speculation and I have been correct in the past when it comes to things like this.

If that scenario turns out to indeed be true, then what are you left with?  The answer is money in various Paypal accounts where the owners of those Paypal accounts are accountable to nobody.

MileHigh


 The only speculation going on here is all the comments from people who do not have a device or even facts of the device. You and others are speculating that this is nothing but a scam with no proof.


 There is a reason for not much information right now and sitting round here demanding answers and speculating as to why there is no answers is doing little for anyone at all. Instead what you are doing is throwing flags from the sidelines with nothing as proof. Like I said the only thing we can do at this point is to sit and wait. Time will tell and no amount of speculation is gonna get answers at all.


 My conclusions were a response to all the BS being spread about this device even before they can get concrete evidence.


 One thing is for sure. There are a some here that have a lot to loose from a working device like this. This causes them to go into damage control and throw all kinds of logical fallacies to justify their bad behaviour, without knowing all the facts. We have very little to go on right now. The only thing we can do at this point is to wait and see. No amount of chest beating is gonna get us closer to understanding this process. No amount of character assassination or "Debate" without the facts will help either side. Although there is some credible evidence that this is genuine, there is just to many unanswered questions to fully understand weather it is legitimate at this point. The only thing I see is non factual speculation that this is a scam. Innuendo is not proof of anything but just a tactic by some to discredit something they have very little knowledge about.


 The world is not flat and everyone now knows this. This revelation took time and PROOF. We have Time but we have little proof either way here. So ranting and speculating about this is a big waste of time PERIOD.


 So I am requesting that only the facts be posted here. On that note you and others have no proof of fraud no matter how you look at it. PROOF not speculation. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 19, 2014, 05:02:07 PM
For those who believe the QEG is not possible:
An energy researcher died leaving his 17 pieces of test equipment to his three sons.

When his sons opened up the Will it read:
My eldest son should get 1/2 (half) of total pieces of test equipment;
My middle son should be given 1/3rd (one-third) of the total pieces of test equipment;
My youngest son should be given 1/9th (one-ninth) of the total pieces of test equipment.
 
As it’s impossible to divide 17 into half or 17 by 3 or 17 by 9, the three sons started to fight with each other.
 
So, they decided to go to an energy researcher friend who they considered quite smart, to see if he could work it out for them.
 
The energy researcher friend read the Will patiently, after giving due thought, he brought one of his own pieces of test equipment over and added it to the 17. That increased the total to 18 pieces of test equipment.
 
Now, he divided the pieces of test equipment according to their fathers Will.
 
Half of 18 = 9. So he gave the eldest son 9 pieces of test equipment.
1/3rd of 18 = 6. So he gave the middle son 6 pieces of test equipment.
1/9th of 18 = 2. So he gave the youngest son 2 pieces of test equipment.
 
Now add up how many pieces of test equipment they have:
Eldest son   = 9
Middle son   = 6
Youngest son = 2
 
TOTAL = 17
 
Now this leaves one piece of test equipment left over, so the energy researcher friend takes his piece of test equipment back to his shop.
 
Problem Solved!

Moral:
The attitude of negotiation and problem solving is to find the 18th piece of test equipment i.e. the common ground.  Once a person is able to find the 18th piece of test equipment the issue is resolved. It is difficult at times.
   
   However, to reach a solution, the first step is to believe that there is a solution!!   If we think that there is no solution, we won’t be able to reach any!

 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: jbignes5 on April 19, 2014, 05:08:22 PM





 While we are on the subject of bad behaviors and tactics, lets look at yours and others.


Mark Dansie: "[size=78%] I am more concerned about the good people of Morocco who will be left with a non working devcie.[/size]Meantime HopeGirl orders anotehr martini at 30,000 ft lol"  Seculation and out right lie. Non factual


Cap-Z-Pro "This whole thing has played out oddly...all this hype, all the visions...and now nothing ?Hmmm, maybe somebody sent some Malaysian plane [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important]tickets[/color] to some family members of Robitaille."  Again Speculation and Innuendo.


MileHigh: "[size=78%]Like I said, a Rodin coil is a piece of electronics quackery." Speculation and innuendo.[/size]
[size=78%]                " [/size][size=78%]Transformers for low frequency power applications or for high frequency radio and signal processing applications have been around for a long time.  If there was some sort of "magic secret sauce" it would have been found about 100 years ago.  It would not have been the WITTS group or the QEG group that "discovered" something.[/size]I read that HopeGirl, Naima Feagin, is married to the lead engineer on the project, James Robitaille.  So between "Fix the World" and the QEG and the crowd funding and all the different variations thereof, don't be surprised if there are more than 100 "Donate" buttons that go into their portfolio of Paypal accounts.  That sounds like a two-year paid vacation in the making to me.If the main claim is that when the QEG is at resonance that quantum energy is magically injected into the core then it won't happen.  A resonating LC circuit and the real quantum energy that physicists research and study have nothing to do with each other."   Speculation, out right lies and innuendo.


 "What is the magnetic field inside a wire of radius R?   What is the magnetic field outside a wire of radius R?  I will assume that Marko would not be able to answer those questions, he would choke." Logical fallacy and out right BS.


 Here is a question for you: What is the electric field inside of a wire? What is the electric field outside of the wire? Why do you only focus on the magnetic field and not the ever present electric field we ALL know is there? Why is it that you ignore everything about the electric field yet totally focus on the magnetic? This is the main question! And this is why we have ignored this Electric field for over 100 years. It was Tesla who pointed to the electric field. It was Tesla who taught us that in order to reduce the losses that we must increase the electric potential of the current we want to transport over vast distances. These are FACTS. We use those facts every day in our outdated electrical system, yet you and others choose to ignore and outright lie about those facts.


 All of those quotes are merely from the last two pages or so of this single thread. Not to mention all of the other threads you have corrupted with your narrow minded closed system. FYI there is no such thing as a closed system. That is an ideal system which no real system that you or me use is. All systems are subject to outside interference. In fact most devices state that explicitly on the label. All systems are indeed open to interference although some are more resistant to this interference than others but they are still open to a degree.


 Now resonance is a process of selective openness. This means it has been designed to be more open on one small band. It rejects or filters a good amount of the rest of the band and in this process it amplifies the selected band through resonance. Otherwise Radios and communications would otherwise be impossible.




 We are stuck in our endeavours for over 100 years because they rejected the Ideas of Tesla after he had created sooo many wonderful devices and systems. They took what could make them the most money and rejected the ones that would free us as a civilization. This has retarded most from finding free energy and caused a rift between the ones who know this Universe is infinite and the ones who think it is finite. That rift is waning away and a new understanding of the Universe is unfolding, no matter how you feel about that, it is a reality. No amount of you or others behaving badly will counter this new understanding. What it will do is show how limited you guys think and how limited you think you are keeping us.


 I feel really bad about how you are gonna feel once a system is proven to conform to these FACTS we are discovering. What a shame it will be to hear about your suicide because you felt soo bad to the way you have treated others in your quest to suppress the TRUTH. All of nature does not conform to your close minded system. It runs not on fuel but merely on the whole (unity) of the universe. We live in environments and as we are finding out those environments can be influenced by further out environments. Take for example our own earth. If it is a truly closed system then we have nothing to fear from solar storms but is that statement true at all? ABSOLUTELY NOT! No system is truly closed and hence why we might be headed for some really bad days ahead from our suns activities. All planets in our solar system are being affected by the suns influence, not just the planet earth. All of the planets are heating up due to the suns influence. This is not pseudo-science it is REAL FACTS.


 I have not seen one fact come from your side. NOT ONE. It is all supposition and innuendo and frankly I am choosing to abstain from this community from now on. I have my plan and so do others and you do not fit into those plans. Once I get my system up and running I am leaving this crap behind me and taking my family to a place of caring and love for my fellow man. You in my opinion are not a man but a sheeple. You can not go beyond you limited world and that is not a world I want to belong to anymore. I tire of this crap and I'm tired of hearing your junk science. In your world you will run out of fuel and will wither and die. In my world we have limitless energy and bountiful returns of everything we desire. I choose my world and what you choose is death. So be it.


 I am finally disconnecting from this forum. It is a choice I am forced to do. Not because of some of the other great thinkers and doers here but because I can not stand the bad taste I get from seeing posts like you and others have forced upon us here. I have my course already set and I am not going to deviate from that now.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on April 19, 2014, 05:20:11 PM

 While we are on the subject of bad behaviors and tactics, lets look at yours and others.

Mark Dansie: "[size=78%] I am more concerned about the good people of Morocco who will be left with a non working devcie.[/size]Meantime HopeGirl orders anotehr martini at 30,000 ft lol"  Seculation and out right lie. Non factual


 I am finally disconnecting from this forum. It is a choice I am forced to do. Not because of some of the other great thinkers and doers here but because I can not stand the bad taste I get from seeing posts like you and others have forced upon us here. I have my course already set and I am not going to deviate from that now.


I agree the martini at 30,000 ft was speculation and a poor attempt at humor. However until they receive a working device in Morocco then the fact they do not have one is fact. I think you have fact mixed up with faith and speculation.
Good luck on your journey and as I always say...enjoy the journey the outcome of destination is secondary.
Kind Regards
Mark


PS why did HopeGirl say they had a free energy working device when fund raising when they did not??? Fact??
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vince on April 19, 2014, 05:49:05 PM
@ GOtoluc


Luc ,I want to ask your opinion on your earlier test with the MOT s and the rotating end plates.
If there was no issue with added motor load and slapping of the end plate on the core do you think that it could have generated usable power?


Vince
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 19, 2014, 06:57:52 PM
Jbignes5:

You are welcome to link to someone doing something useful with a Rodin coil.  Spinning a magnetic ball and making an audio speaker are just parlor tricks.

I can certainly speculate, but I don't make outright lies.  You should be ashamed of yourself for repeatedly making that allegation about me.

You speculate yourself.  People can read threads and get differing opinions.  That is a good thing and I am always concerned about people wasting money on unproven and sometimes ridiculous free energy propositions.  That's just my thing.  I strongly disagree with the laissez faire attitude where people don't care about that.  What do you think the Consumer Reports magazine is all about.  It's to inform people that can't possibly be experts in everything so that they don't buy crappy cars or crappy appliances and instead they can spend their money wisely and get good value.

The electric field inside of a wire is normally incredibly weak because there is no electric field inside an ideal conductor.  A wire is close to an ideal conductor hence the electric field is very weak.

Quote
And this is why we have ignored this Electric field for over 100 years.

You are showing the readers how limited your understanding is.  I am sorry, but I must point it out because it explains the backdrop behind your attitude and world view.  You consume "supermarket tabloid trash" about electronics and energy and believe that it is real.  That's not a good position to be in and it results in you giving advice and rendering judgments that are way off the mark.  If you are really leaving, and you are truly interested in this subject matter, then do yourself a favour and educate yourself.  If you just say, "conventional electronics and engineering is all crap that they want to program into you" then you lose big time.

Quote
Now resonance is a process of selective openness. This means it has been designed to be more open on one small band. It rejects or filters a good amount of the rest of the band and in this process it amplifies the selected band through resonance.

I suggest that you learn what resonance really is.  Start with a bell ringing.  Why does a bell ring?  What's really happening there?  How do you explain a bell ringing in scientific terms?  Then move on to electrical resonance and you will see that they are one in the same.

Tesla was a very smart man and an electrical pioneer.  But from what I can see there are no hidden Tesla secrets that will free us all.  That is the "Tesla tabloid trash" industry that has taken advantage of his name and exploited him and what he did for their own reasons.  Look  at HopeGirl and her group, they are doing it also.  That may be upsetting to you but it's the truth from my perspective.  There was no free energy Tesla car, there was no magic Tesla shaker that almost destroyed a big building.  The whole era that Tesla lived in was a time when journalism was out of control and the public had not yet wised up and incorporated cynicism into their world view.  In other words, the vast majority of the public believed what they read and newspaper men and others exploited this fact for their own personal gain or to advance an agenda.

There are some facts that we can all agree on.  HopeGirl made definitive statements that the QEG works.  Nobody has verified that the QEG works.  HopeGirl and her entourage are running around the world to allegedly teach people how to make their own QEGs.

Good luck in your future endeavours.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wattsup on April 19, 2014, 09:27:55 PM
@gotoluc

About the solenoid, I decided to save hassles and did a quick test myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD-m0ujg88U

Basically there is no effect worth mentioning. I could only pulse the thing up to around 9Hz - hehehe - that was lame but fun to do anyways. I needed a break from my FTPU studies. At least that is coming along well and I have learned  so much with the FTPU.

I could see on the scope some peaks that were pretty good but no output to talk about. Just not fast enough. This would require something with much more speed like a small motor turning a camshaft or an off centered wheel type arrangement and much more precision worksmanship then my hastily made set-up. 

So back to my bench and more FTPUing.

wattsup

PS: Now lets see, an alternator coil and a Rodin coil. Hmmmmmm.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 20, 2014, 05:22:57 AM
@ GOtoluc


Luc ,I want to ask your opinion on your earlier test with the MOT s and the rotating end plates.
If there was no issue with added motor load and slapping of the end plate on the core do you think that it could have generated usable power?


Vince

Hi Vince,

I don't know if you saw test 3 video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-jYPDuueY0

In this test the cores don't rub at any time since I can control the Resonance by having the bulbs on the high voltage coil. It's clear that as resonance builds, so does the need of more input power to the motor. At a stable Resonant point it was about 10 watts more to the motor then with no resonance. If this device was operating at unity the each bulb would have 5 watts and I know these 40 watt bulbs start to glow at 5 watts. They were not glowing and I estimated about 2 watts to each bulb. My guess is the rest of the power (6 watts) is lost in the 160 Ohm series high voltage coils.

My test device is far from Unity.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 20, 2014, 05:41:12 AM
@gotoluc

About the solenoid, I decided to save hassles and did a quick test myself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD-m0ujg88U (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YD-m0ujg88U)

Basically there is no effect worth mentioning. I could only pulse the thing up to around 9Hz - hehehe - that was lame but fun to do anyways. I needed a break from my FTPU studies. At least that is coming along well and I have learned  so much with the FTPU.

I could see on the scope some peaks that were pretty good but no output to talk about. Just not fast enough. This would require something with much more speed like a small motor turning a camshaft or an off centered wheel type arrangement and much more precision worksmanship then my hastily made set-up. 

So back to my bench and more FTPUing.

wattsup

PS: Now lets see, an alternator coil and a Rodin coil. Hmmmmmm.

Thanks wattsup for going the extra mile and doing the test yourself. I kind of knew you wouldn't be able to get a frequency higher than 10Hz with a solenoid. That's why I asked you to test frequency and movement (distance)

Also, to get Resonance you would have to connect the high voltage coil to a capacitor. I would think you would need quite a large AC capacitor with your Inductance and frequency being lower then my test device. My guess the capacitor could be in the 25uf to 35uf range.

I also don't know how much of an Inductance swing you need for it to kick in.

Anyways, thanks for giving it your best shot and taking the time to make a video demo on top of it all.

Excellent job my friend.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 20, 2014, 08:23:41 PM
Without windings on the rotor there would be very little lenz force on it to slow it down.  Only small eddie currents in the rotor lamination would cause any lenz loading, so the dominant behavior of the motor would be to just drop the output voltage and current rather then slow down due to loading.

I just modeled a tank circuit attempting to simulate the parametric drive of the QEG.  The first thing I found out was that LTSpice refuses to compute a time varying value for an inductor.  So, I ran a steady state sim just to see what happens with the voltages and currents in the tank.  Low and behold I got this, see attached image.

The peak voltage and current that built up with a 15 henry inductor with 50 ohms DC resistance and a 10 nano farad capacitor was about 29kV and the current was about 750mA.  Multiplying these values by 1.414, and then multiplying the results by each other yields an RMS value of about 11kW of recirculating energy in the tank circuit.  I chose the value of 15 henries for the inductance because James said his machine was operating between 10 and 20 henries, and 10 nano-farads for the capacitor because that set the resonant frequency at 411Hz.

In my model I1 is being used to drive the tank circuit, and B1 is being used to add some noise into the circuit.  Since the Inductor has 50 ohms of DC resistance it is dissipating energy.  The cap is also dissipating some energy although I set it's equivalent series resistance at 100 milli-ohms so that dissipation negligible.   

I am sure that the energy dissipated by the inductor is equal to the energy being added to the circuit by the current source driving the circuit, I1.

The value I got for the recirculating energy in my tank sim is so close to what James is claiming as peak output, that I'm getting the impression that James reported the value of the recirculating energy in the tank circuit as dissipated energy in the output load of the circuit.  Perhaps he is thinking of this as "generated energy."  A trained engineer would simply know better than to make that mistake. 

By the way this recirculating energy is what Joseph Newman was showing people.  He would say look, I turn the machine on and in just a few seconds it generates all this energy.  The problem is he failed to ever demonstrate a way to get the energy out of the machine on a continuous basis to do something useful.  It was Senator John Glenn that finally put him on the spot, and showed Newman's claim to be false.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 20, 2014, 10:57:51 PM
F_Brown,

You make a lot of good points and I will make a few comments.

For starters, a varying inductance in a circuit is unusual, but in theory it would be possible to jury-rig somehow.  It will not produce energy in any way, shape, or form.  The classic example is a spinning figure skater with extended arms.  When he or she retracts their arms, they speed up.  They speed up because energy is conserved.  That is literally an example of a mechanical inductor where the inductance changes with time.

I am not comfortable with the concept of power recirculating in an LC tank.  An LC tank is just a dynamic way to store energy, and power is a different thing altogether.   For example, you can say that at the peak voltage, the capacitor is storing 10 Joules of energy.  At peak current, the inductor is storing 10 Joules of energy.  When the energy is transferring from one to the other, it's still just 10 Joules of energy.

So in the real world, and in the case of the QEG, and using arbitrary values for illustrative purposes, you can state that the LC resonator in the QEG stores 10 Joules of energy, and there is a bleed off of power due to the wire resistance of 1 watt of power.  Since we are assuming that the energy in the LC resonator remains constant, then by definition the spinning rotor is injecting 1 watt of power into the LC resonator.  I will repeat, any varying inductance is just a side show, it does not affect the fundamental energy dynamics of what is taking place.

So going back to the QEG, when you are not in resonance, you still have an LC circuit that has the capability of storing energy.  It will be less energy when not in resonance at some given set of frequencies above and below the resonant frequency, hence the bleed off of power will be lower, and the adding of power will be lower.

We will assume the drive motor is 90% efficient.

Something like this:

                                              Energy stored in LC -  Power bleed from LC - Power injection into LC - Drive motor power
Below resonant frequency                 1 Joule                     0.1 watts                     0.1 watts                     0.11 watts
At resonant frequency                      10 Joules                     1 watt                         1 watt                       1.11 watts
Above resonant frequency                 1 Joule                     0.1 watts                     0.1 watts                     0.11 watts

So, if you are following this, the big jump in the LC resonator voltage at resonance just means it will store more energy, and as a result there will be a bigger power drain due to the wire resistance, requiring more power from the drive motor.

Now what happens when you add a light bulb load?  Since there is high voltage in the LC resonator, that will facilitate exporting power into the the light bulb load.  We assume that the peak voltage across the resonator will decrease because of the load.  That means less energy is stored in the resonator.  More critically, since you are at resonance, that means the LC resonator is more "receptive" to pumping more AC power into it at the right AC frequency.  The power is pumped into the LC resonator + light bulbs by the spinning rotor of the drive motor.

So you end up with an energy and power balance that looks something like this:

We will assume that the light bulb load draws 20 watts of power.  (I am always using simplified values for illustrative purposes)

                                              Energy stored in LC -  Power bleed from LC - Power injection into LC - Drive motor power
Resonance will light bulb load:             5 Joules                  20.05 watts                20.05 watts                  22.28 watts

So what this means is that when you hit resonance, the LC resonator facilitates the transfer of the mechanical power supplied by the motor into the the LC resonator and into the light bulbs.

If this is indeed what is truly happening, then the whole thing is either a) a con job to rake in money with no accountability, or b) a complete and total farce by people that have no clue what they are doing.

Note option b) is somewhat akin to a form of criminal negligence.  The law does not or should not allow you to be so stupid or so ignorant that you end up hurting people financially.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 20, 2014, 11:54:26 PM
F_Brown,

Quote
The value I got for the recirculating energy in my tank sim is so close to what James is claiming as peak output, that I'm getting the impression that James reported the value of the recirculating energy in the tank circuit as dissipated energy in the output load of the circuit.  Perhaps he is thinking of this as "generated energy."  A trained engineer would simply know better than to make that mistake.

Somewhere in the FTQ/HopeGirl online information they state that James M. Robitaille's name is on about 20 patents related to his working career.

For starters, I don't know if he truly is an engineer.  Does he have his diploma and is he a member of the engineering governing body in the United States, I don't know.  That is to be determined.

With respect to his name being on about 20 patents, in many cases there is a team of people that get their name on a patent.  It's actually the company's patent because when you work for a high tech company you typically sign an agreement where you give up any intellectual property that you develop over to your employer.

So, that means that James M. Robitaille did not necessarily develop the IP that went into the 20 or more patents.  He could have just been a bench technician that assisted the lead engineer or engineers on a given project.

I am just making it clear that until definitive information about his credentials or lack or credentials comes forth, then don't assume anything.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 21, 2014, 12:02:07 AM
F_Brown,

Somewhere in the FTQ/HopeGirl online information they state that James M. Robitaille's name is on about 20 patents related to his working career.

For starters, I don't know if he truly is an engineer.  Does he have his diploma and is he a member of the engineering governing body in the United States, I don't know.  That is to be determined.

With respect to his name being on about 20 patents, in many cases there is a team of people that get their name on a patent.  It's actually the company's patent because when you work for a high tech company you typically sign an agreement where you give up any intellectual property that you develop over to your employer.

So, that means that James M. Robitaille did not necessarily develop the IP that went into the 20 or more patents.  He could have just been a bench technician that assisted the lead engineer or engineers on a given project.

I am just making it clear that until definitive information about his credentials or lack or credentials comes forth, then don't assume anything.

MileHigh


I think it was in the SA interview, that it was stated he was a "self taught" engineer.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 12:08:01 AM
@MH:
http://emph.com.ua/11/pdf/fowler.pdf
 ;)
 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 12:15:17 AM

I think it was in the SA interview, that it was stated he was a "self taught" engineer.

You can get criminally prosecuted if you try to claim that you are an engineer when you aren't one.  If you are an ethical person you don't call yourself an engineer, even in passing, if you don't have your diploma and your papers.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 12:25:37 AM
TK,

In a slightly related matter, recently I saw somewhere that the US Navy is going in the direction of "Star Wars."  For short to medium range defense of ships they are going to use pulsed LASERs.  It only costs about a buck worth of energy to deliver a lethal pulse of light at an incoming hostile aircraft.  So instead of lobbing a half-million-dollar missile at the threat they will punch a hole into it with a LASER.

I saw how the US Navy just launched a brand new very stealthy destroyer, the USS Zumwalt.  I bet you it has the pulsing LASERs...

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/04/15/orig-jag-uss-zumwalt.cnn.html

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 21, 2014, 01:23:28 AM
TK,

In a slightly related matter, recently I saw somewhere that the US Navy is going in the direction of "Star Wars."  For short to medium range defense of ships they are going to use pulsed LASERs.  It only costs about a buck worth of energy to deliver a lethal pulse of light at an incoming hostile aircraft.  So instead of lobbing a half-million-dollar missile at the threat they will punch a hole into it with a LASER.

I saw how the US Navy just launched a brand new very stealthy destroyer, the USS Zumwalt.  I bet you it has the pulsing LASERs...

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/04/15/orig-jag-uss-zumwalt.cnn.html

MileHigh
I think that the primary concern is how fast and accurately they can target and disable fast moving, close-in threats. Missiles can't both go really fast, and turn tight arcs.

The Zumwalt is scheduled to get rail guns as well.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 21, 2014, 01:26:45 AM
You can get criminally prosecuted if you try to claim that you are an engineer when you aren't one.  If you are an ethical person you don't call yourself an engineer, even in passing, if you don't have your diploma and your papers.

MileHigh
The regulations vary state by state.  In order to set-up shop as an engineer for hire, one usually needs to be a registered, or professional engineer.  That requires having the appropriate degree and passing an examination.  However, in many states, one can be employed as an engineer without any particular documentation.  Only a small percentage of working engineers obtain certifications as professional engineers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on April 21, 2014, 02:00:22 AM
In my model I1 is being used to drive the tank circuit, and B1 is being used to add some noise into the circuit.  Since the Inductor has 50 ohms of DC resistance it is dissipating energy.  The cap is also dissipating some energy although I set it's equivalent series resistance at 100 milli-ohms so that dissipation negligible.   

I am sure that the energy dissipated by the inductor is equal to the energy being added to the circuit by the current source driving the circuit, I1.

The value I got for the recirculating energy in my tank sim is so close to what James is claiming as peak output, that I'm getting the impression that James reported the value of the recirculating energy in the tank circuit as dissipated energy in the output load of the circuit.  Perhaps he is thinking of this as "generated energy."  A trained engineer would simply know better than to make that mistake

By the way this recirculating energy is what Joseph Newman was showing people.  He would say look, I turn the machine on and in just a few seconds it generates all this energy.  The problem is he failed to ever demonstrate a way to get the energy out of the machine on a continuous basis to do something useful.  It was Senator John Glenn that finally put him on the spot, and showed Newman's claim to be false.

No need to be an engineer to understand that or recognize that beforehand.  :) Wouldn't it be more like "oscillating power" rather than recirculating power, it does go back and forth more than round and round.  ;D

Looks like a simple case of measuring the oscillating power and calling it output, not the first one and won't be the last. I think a few of us mentioned already that that was most likely the case. It is the same thing that people claim is evidence of free energy from Tesla's transmission devices, clearly it is not, this is a constant source of annoyance to me and others and it drags down the entire forum and community. You guys can imagine how difficult it is for someone like me to explain try to others about oscillating power/activity, power factor, reactive power and so forth, and that Tesla was not claiming any over unity from any of those transmission devices, it's an accumulation of active power I think because it is in phase, it can be used quickly "like to flash bulb" but then it is gone, depending on the ability of the supply and other circuit parameters depends on how long it will take to re-accumulate the same activity. 

Thank the heavens for the Engineers. Seriously, the same claims in a different box over and over again. The way to get reasonable proof of claims is to demand it and if it doesn't come then ignore them. Thing is people like to go against common sense, it seems like the "thing" to do these days.

Looks like these scammers are making a lot more money than the fake video ad - money / self runner people and in a much shorter period.

Cheers

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 21, 2014, 02:39:30 AM

Quote from: MilesHigher

In a slightly related matter, recently I saw somewhere that the US Navy is going in the direction of "Star Wars."

Aye, that trend has been in progress for quite some
time and it continues now with more public revelation.


Quote from: Generally Reliable Non-Military Source
You must inform the children of the world that this death and destruction is the plan of the evil world leaders, who are going about their demonically influenced ways to subjugate all of you even further than they have already done, and once again, they are planning on unleashing the instruments of death and destruction from their past wars, as well as dangerous new and more technologically advanced weapons, including weapons that have not yet been made known to you.

Even my military sources agree that the soon to come war
will be fought with weapons which until that time will have
been deeply classified devices.  Those military men also
agree that this war has long been planned by the "evil
world leaders."  It will be devastating for the whole planet.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 03:55:39 AM
MarkE:

Thanks for the comments and for the engineering issue it's about the same thing in Canada.

Farmhand:

Also great comments.   I will go back a few weeks and briefly discuss the children's swing "simulation" because it looks like the whole business with the QEG excitation with the rotor is essentially the same thing.  Note it's also the same situation when you have a pick-up coil on a pulse motor that is connected to a capacitor and it is being stimulated at the resonant frequency by the passing rotor magnets.

In all three cases you have a synchronous stimulation of an LC resonator where the stimulus "hits" the LC resonator for a brief time only and then it is completely decoupled from the resonator.  So for most of the time the resonator is free to oscillate without being disturbed or seeing the stimulus as a "back load."   By "back load" I mean that the LC resonator doesn't start discharging back through the stimulus because it's voltage is higher than the stimulus voltage.

Here is the circuit (Rev 0!) in very general terms:

The heart of the circuit is say a 1:100 transformer.  So we will view the transformer as a step-up transformer.  However, that's only for when you apply the stimulus.

The real purpose of the transformer is to act as an inductor, the "L" in the LC resonator.   The higher-turns secondary is the "L."   So as you can imagine you can connect a capacitor across the secondary and create your LC resonator.  All that you have to do is connect a charged capacitor to the secondary and capture the oscillations on your scope to precisely measure the LC resonant frequency.

The implementation of the temporary stimulus, "the swing push" is very easy and very familiar.  Let's assume that you have a 5-volt battery.   So you connect the +5 volts to the top of the primary.  You connect the bottom of the primary to the drain of your MOSFET.  The source of the MOSFET is connected to the battery ground.

With this very simple setup, when the MOSFET is on, you are pumping power into the LC resonator.  When the MOSFET is off, it's an open-circuit.  Therefore the primary "disappears" from the perspective of the LC resonator, it is not seen as a load where the secondary is trying to drive the primary.

Needless to say, if the secondary is open-circuit and you switch on the MOSFET, you will see 500 volts across the secondary.

The suggestion would be to have an LCR circuit on the secondary for initial testing.   The resistor would be across the secondary, i.e.; in parallel with the capacitor.

If you change the value of the R, it's like you're changing the "thickness" of the air using the child on a swing analogy.  The amount of time the MOSFET is on is analogous to the amount of time you push on the swing.

So if you pulse on the MOSFET at the resonant frequency you can play with the pulse length and the resistance, etc, etc.  The issue of the total wire resistance in comparison with how heavily or lightly you load the LC resonator gives insight into how the LC resonator will react, and so on.

So as you can see, this simple setup allows you to explore an LCR resonator below, at, and above the resonance frequency.  And it gives you a simulator for the child on a swing, a pulse motor pickup coil in resonance, or the QEG generator.

The key thing is to completely decouple from the LCR resonator after you apply your stimulus pulse.  The MOSFET going open-circuit when it is switched off does that for you.

This may end up being the sobering reality for the Fix the World/QEG people.  They are just playing with an LCR circuit and believing (or faking) in something that is simply not there.

Here is one more way to look at this whole setup:  Completely forget that there is a transformer.  All that you care about is the LCR resonator.  When the MOSFET switches on, the LCR resonator "experiences" an EMF injection of energy.   Can you see that?   In a synchronous fashion, the inductor in the LCR resonator will produce a "jolt of juice" seemingly from nowhere.  The inductor doesn't "know" that it's coupled to another inductor.  The only thing it "knows" is that an EMF source "appears" like a ghost and then disappears.

The one note of caution would be that if you pulse the setup at resonance with no resistor across the secondary, then you only have the wire resistance to deal with.  There is a possibility that the resonance voltage will get very high and explode your capacitors or damage your scope or something.  So the recommendation would be to start with a relatively low value load resistor to feel things out first.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 04:19:19 AM
Farmhand:

Naturally the easiest way to do this would be to simulate it.  But it could be a fun build also.

One thing that's a gray area for me is the transformer turns ratio.   In my Rev 0 I am sort of "over designing" the transformer turns ratio.

The logic is this:  With a "standard" pulse with and no resistor, the wire resistance itself will keep the resonator voltage below 500 volts.   So in other words, you are pulsing with an EMF pulse that has a theoretical value of 500 volts, but that never happens.   Supposing for the sake of argument the resonant oscillation peaks at 300 volts.  (I am intentionally simplifying and not worrying about peak-to-peak voltages)

Now supposing you change the transformer from a 1:100 transformer to a 1:10 transformer and you pulse with a "standard" pulse width.  Will the LC + wire resistance resonator also go to a peak voltage of 300 volts?  It might, and it might even go higher.  The reason for that is that chances are the 1:10 transformer will have a lower inherent wire resistance on the secondary.  So what if you add a series resistance to compensate and make it the same as the 1:100 transformer, what happens then?

Anyway, it's hopefully an interesting investigation even if it's just a thought experiment.  Doing pSpice simulations would be fun though.

But just to emphasize the point, this whole QEG thing could just be a mirage where a silly mistake is made where they think the observed resonant voltage will also be able to magically drive a 10 kilowatt load at the same voltage or something like that.  Or it's all nefarious.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 21, 2014, 04:53:52 AM
Farmhand,

Yes, oscillating power would be a better term.


Miles Higher,

Well, in my sim at the peak voltage level the cap stores 0.5 * 29,000^2 * 10e-9 = 4.2 joules.  That is perhaps the best indication of what we are dealing with here.  The result is the same for what the inductor stores at peak current:  0.5 * 0.75^2 * 15 = 4.2 joules.

The the 11kw of oscillating power is really an illusion, and falls like a rock when a load is added.  I evolved the model to include a load, see attached image.

With a 1 giga-ohm load the oscillating power results are pretty close to the results just quoted for the model without a load.  Additionally, about 17 watts are being drawn from the current source driving the tank circuit, of which 16.4 watts are being dissipated in the primary and 0.5 watts in the load.  Most of the rest of the dissipation is in the cap with a tiny bit in the secondary winding.  At the same drive level and a 1 mega-ohm load,  the "oscillating power" drops to 121 watts, with 968Vpk and 25mApk.  The input power drawn from the current source drops to 0.59 W.     

So here we have 17 watts of input creating the illusion of 11kw of power, and 0.6 watts of input creating the illusion of 121 watts of power.  With the 1 mega-ohm load and 0.59W of input power 0.57 watts are delivered to the load for an efficiency of 96.6 percent.  That about typical of good laminated transformer efficiency, somewhere in the mid 90's, and I think the design of the QEG will have a good coupling coefficient between the primary and the secondary.  So, if the system is running 40 percent efficiency either the parametric drive works poorly or there is something wrong somewhere.   There is the efficiency of the drive motor to consider.  The QEG could be driven by some other power source such as a water wheel or a windmill.

James did say in the PESN interview he was driving a resistive load from the secondary of the QEG, although I've seen so many of these things over the years that I recognize how they go:  Big claims, fragmented videos, and erroneous schematics.  It's so recurrent it's cliche.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 05:15:43 AM
F_Brown,

Great work!  You are making the picture of what may be transpiring more tangible with your simulations.  It's quite a "shocker" to see how "illusory power" is actually just a small amount of energy circulating in the LC resonator.  It's also extremely interesting to see how much real power is being burned off in the circuit to sustain the resonant amplitude and "sustain the illusion."  Naturally that small amount of energy stored in the LC resonator will get "snuffed out" quite quickly when you connect an external load.

One thought for your consideration is to check your prose for "energy" vs. "power."  For some reason the mind uses the term "energy" as a default when you are preoccupied with describing the process of what you are doing.  I have been writing about electronics for years and I still screw up and use "energy" when I should use "power" or vice-versa.  It's strange in the sense that even with the terms mixed up what you write is perfectly comprehensible by the readers.  But it is still worth going back and trying to get it right as a matter of principle.

Thanks again for the simulation results.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 21, 2014, 05:44:30 AM
That's sharp of you to notice my misuse of word energy when I meant power.  I did notice my mind flip-flopping a few times deciding which term to use.  I do like to avoid repetition when possible.  Thanks for mentioning it.     

I lowered the value of the load resistor in the model to 505k and upped the drive to 50mApk @ 411 Hz .  The result is 775.7 watts drawn as input power and 762.4 watts delivered to the load for an efficiency of 98.3%.  It would be helpful to know what the DC resistance of the primary and secondary windings they are using.  With the 50 ohms of DCR in the primary, 13  watts gets dissipated in the primary winding and less then 0.1 watts gets dissipated in both the cap and secondary winding.  I'm using a 1:1 turns ratio in the model.  That's what makes such a high value load resistance necessary.  I believe James said he was using a 10:1 turns ratio.  For my simple sim I doubt that makes any difference for a rough efficiency analysis.

It's also interesting to note here that in this case with about 1HP of throughput, in the primary the peak voltage is 25.3kV and the peak current is 654mA giving the illusion of 8.3kW of oscillating power therein.  Looking at the peak stored energy can help the interested stay grounded here:  0.5 * 25,300^2 * 10e-9 = 3.2 Joules.  So there's just 3.2 joules of energy sloshing back and forth in the primary 411 times a second.  I wonder how many donations James would get if he mentioned that...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 06:22:08 AM
F_Brown,

I am attaching the schematic that is in the main pdf as a guideline.  I am not sure how accurate this schematic is and of course we don't have any definitive test and setup information from anywhere right now.  For example, I read comments about the dot convention on the schematic and people were questioning if it was valid or not.  In theory, the two separate windings on the core for the LC resonator should put the flux in the same direction through the core.  On the QEG forum some people were speculating that in fact the flux was going in opposite directions to reduce the effective inductance for the LC resonator to bring the resonant frequency up towards 400 Hz.  That would be crazy because that would cause an AC short circuit which would destroy the energy in the capacitors and kill the resonator.

I am not sure how experienced you are with your simulator, but I do know that if you could see their test waveforms and got all of their measurements and setup data, in theory you could do a quite accurate simulation of the performance of the setup.  You have to take liberties of course, for example you can't simulate the physical action of rotor with respect to what it does electrically, but you can come up with some kind of alternative to what the rotor is doing.  For now, I am assuming what others are assuming.  The assumption is that the spinning rotor causes small currents to flow due to a small remnant magnetization in the core and that bootstraps itself into higher amplitudes because of the power injection from the spinning rotor.

One suggestion for you is to try a voltage source as the stimulation instead of a current source.  A current source will output progressively more power the higher the resistance it sees or the higher the EMF or voltage it has to overcome.  If you do try a voltage source as the stimulation, you will probably have to decouple it from the rest of the simulation with a series resistor.  I am assuming that your voltage source model has an output impedance of zero, and that will lock or force whatever it is driving to be in step with it.  Experimenting with different series resistor values may be necessary.  It's possible that a voltage source with a series resistor will make the LC resonator go to high amplitudes also but it will take a lot of cycles.

Going back to my earlier postings, and looking at the QED schematic, you can see how when the rotor rotates through +45 or -45 degrees, that's when you get the "transient" stimulation and then outside those two angles the stimulation is completely disconnected from the funky LC resonator.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 21, 2014, 06:36:37 AM
Good thoughts.  I played around a little with different ways to drive the tank.  The way I do it in the images presented was the easiest and most direct.  I'll see what else I can come up with. 

I think the phase dots are wrong.  My first impression is that if one puts two windings with equal amounts of turns in bucking configuration like that, nothing will happen.  They will cancel each other.  Now, there might be some funky redirection of flux going on, although I it's more probable that they would just cancel each other electrically and magnetically, the secondaries as well.  It would be helpful to be able to build one, and probe just what's going on. 

I have to try and figure out what they are even attempting to accomplish with the exciter.  I have a good spark gap model I got for my Tesla Hair Pin simulation.  So I can model the entire exciter well.

Driving the tank with voltage could be done this way, see attached schematic.  Although I'm at a loss as to how to calculate the input power this way.  My attempts to use a serial resistor and a voltage source fail to work well.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: CANGAS on April 21, 2014, 10:20:05 AM
In some ways this is a rather interesting thread.

I am a hopeful optimist that humanity will discover and embrace a technology or technologies that will deliver us from the limited utility of deadly polluting fossil fuels and the concomitant financial slavery and philosophical coercion. And I also have a strong personal religious belief and believe that it is possible for a Higher Power to intervene and provide help to us.

I believe that IF God wanted to provide us with free energy then God could inspire someone such as the HopeGirl team and foreign groups to meet and work together to refine and develop and distribute workable reiterations of established free energy technology. I have become tentatively convinced that Tesla discovered and refined and produced working free energy generators. So, in summation, I believe it is possible that HopeGirl and associated parties COULD be acting on genuine inspiration from God.

BUT.....granted that my research and insights on Tesla technology is woefully far from complete, I have to say that the HopeGirl team seems to be utterly clueless about the nature of the Tesla technology. I have not read one word about their understanding of the technology that even comes close to matching the theories and engineering principles that Tesla seems to have been using. It is very difficult to determine what Tesla actually did, he did not exactly leave us a Free Energy For Dummies recipe book! But there is a rather large amount of literature that has been published, including many very insightful commentaries and personal conclusions and descriptions of what he must have been thinking compared to what is verifiably known about his results. And there is a large body of quoted Tesla material containing smatterings of his own descriptions of his technology. So it is possible to compare what HopeGirl team knows compares to what he actually did.

Thus far they are not even in the right ballpark. I could have cried in despair when I read about their using a spark plug as Tesla's spark gap. The spark gap is an extremely crucial item, not just an ornament.

It would delight me to see workable and provable free energy made widely available to humanity. I hope and pray that HopeGirl Team does it. I am earnestly trying to do it.  And it would prove that God can inspire people to do something right even if they do not know what they are doing but are simply willing to trust God and try to do a righteous thing.

It would be wonderful if we do see the Tesla free energy technology resurrected out of its tomb and see it freely roaming to every human who can be benefited by it.


CANGAS 21
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on April 21, 2014, 10:46:46 AM
Which god?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 21, 2014, 01:41:01 PM
Indeed.  In a similar vein, I am not a big Tesla reader and all that stuff, but I question the notion of "Tesla free energy technology."  The idea that Tesla left "hints" about this and all that you have to do is "connect the dots" could very well be just wishful thinking mixed together with intentional disinformation.

I can speculate the reason for the intentional disinformation does not from from Big Government or some Evil Cabal, rather it comes from "us" the people that make a living writing books and talking about Tesla and fantasizing about him and worshiping him like he himself is some sort of god.  He did some very great things, like being the first person to engineer the power grid that completely changed society.  But the problem is that it's too "easy" to believe more than that.  So you end up with HopeGirl namedropping "Tesla" and ka-ching!  More people click on the "Donate" button.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 21, 2014, 02:09:24 PM
Quantum Tesla scalar vortex! Parametric longitudinal re-gauging! It's the richest kind!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 21, 2014, 05:59:56 PM
MilesHigh,

After some reflecting on the phasing dots this morning I realized that if the coils were arranged in bucking configuration, then when the rotor is in between poles, the coils will cancel out, and when the rotor is aligned with a pole, the flux will then flow though the rotor, allowing the magnetic field in each half of the stator as divided by the rotor to flow in opposite directions. 

This would sort of be similar to what would happen in a typical EI core, if the windings were wound on the out side legs instead of the middle one.  Also for this arrangement to work in the QEG I would expect the rotor to have twice the cross-sectional area of the stator, as the middle leg of an EI core does compared to the outside legs.

Additionally I got LTSpice to calculate a time varying value of inductance, although the resulting model fails to drive the tank circuit into significant oscillation.  Also with the time varying inductance there is a loss of a single sharp resonant peak in the system. 
SPICE is just the wrong application to model this device, because it fails to model the flux gating of the core.  What is needed is a magnetic modeling application that can also handle circuity.  Do we have anyone skilled in the art or magnetic modeling in the house?

Anyway, with the time varying value of inductance, I set it for 15H +/- 5H, I found that the main resonance which was only slightly dominant shifted from 411 Hz to 1328 Hz.  I change the capacitance value to 11 nano-farads and that brought the main resonance to 400 Hz.  Then varying the inductance value at 400 Hz failed to drive the tank into significant oscillation, see attached images. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 22, 2014, 12:23:50 AM
MilesHigh,

After some reflecting on the phasing dots this morning I realized that if the coils were arranged in bucking configuration, then when the rotor is in between poles, the coils will cancel out, and when the rotor is aligned with a pole, the flux will then flow though the rotor, allowing the magnetic field in each half of the stator as divided by the rotor to flow in opposite directions. 

This would sort of be similar to what would happen in a typical EI core, if the windings were wound on the out side legs instead of the middle one.  Also for this arrangement to work in the QEG I would expect the rotor to have twice the cross-sectional area of the stator, as the middle leg of an EI core does compared to the outside legs.

Additionally I got LTSpice to calculate a time varying value of inductance, although the resulting model fails to drive the tank circuit into significant oscillation.  Also with the time varying inductance there is a loss of a single sharp resonant peak in the system. 
SPICE is just the wrong application to model this device, because it fails to model the flux gating of the core.  What is needed is a magnetic modeling application that can also handle circuity.  Do we have anyone skilled in the art or magnetic modeling in the house?

Anyway, with the time varying value of inductance, I set it for 15H +/- 5H, I found that the main resonance which was only slightly dominant shifted from 411 Hz to 1328 Hz.  I change the capacitance value to 11 nano-farads and that brought the main resonance to 400 Hz.  Then varying the inductance value at 400 Hz failed to drive the tank into significant oscillation, see attached images.




F_Brown,


You are correct, in the bucking configuration they do cancel out when the rotor is mis-aligned, and correct again when it is aligned you get flux going through the rotor, which is not large enough to carry all the flux, as you mentioned it should be twice as large to handle it efficiently.


Here are screenshots from a femm simulation built to the dimensions from the drawing and .5 amp dc in the 3100T primary in bucking orientation, nothing in the 350T secondary.


This only requires 18 volts to achieve:


Primary:

Total current = 0.5 Amps
Voltage Drop = 18.3489 Volts
Flux Linkage = 17.8163 Webers
Flux/Current = 35.6327 Henries
Voltage/Current = 36.6978 Ohms
Power = 9.17445 Watts
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 22, 2014, 12:32:41 AM
If you don't set it up to be bucking...then the rotor does absolutely nothing....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 22, 2014, 12:38:44 AM
Here is the snapshot.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 22, 2014, 12:50:05 AM
shinz62,

Very interesting...  I just installed FEMM on my workstation, and have been learning the basics of it all morning.  I've been wanting to learn how to use it for years.  I just lacked sufficient motivation to climb the learning curve. 

At least the FEMM model indicates the correct configuration of the windings.  So, the phasing dots were correct.  That's one piece of the picture demystified.

I'll put myself to the task of designing new laminations that will be smaller overall and have a rotor cross-sectional area that is twice the stator cross-sectional area, then run a FEMM analysis on that.  Seeing that one for the original lamination dimensions were already done.

Cheers,

FB


PS  Do you think the rotor was meant to saturate?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on April 22, 2014, 01:48:07 AM
F_Brown,

Is it possible to simulate the attached circuit in your FEMM?

GL.
Title: Peter Lindemann: Thoughts on QEG
Post by: Stephen Brown on April 22, 2014, 01:59:02 AM
Here's a letter Peter Lindemann wrote addressing people who have asked him about the QEG.



http://www.borderlands.de/Links/QEG-LindemannBoS (http://www.borderlands.de/Links/QEG-LindemannBoS)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 22, 2014, 02:03:40 AM
@ GL,

Has anyone tried placing another looped coil and cap facing opposite to L3 ?

Regards...



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 22, 2014, 02:04:13 AM
I wouldn't think they wanted the rotor to saturate like that, particularly since it should be running at much higher power levels, more like these shots if you go by what they're saying.



They're saying 24,000 volts on that primary, I don't even see how that is possible, could only be peek and very very briefly.


My model shows 50 amps dc is 1800 volts and 45k watts, you can't get much more than about 11 amps through a 20 awg winding without burning it up. http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm) These shots show 50 amps going through, it is so saturated nothing even goes through the rotor and there would be zero output on the secondary as a result of the rotor turning.


But if we clean this up with an appropriately sized rotor this might be a very interesting generator, because it seems quite possible to time the pulsing of the entire system such that there is very little lenz drag on the rotor.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 22, 2014, 02:10:45 AM
F_Brown,

Quote
After some reflecting on the phasing dots this morning I realized that if the coils were arranged in bucking configuration, then when the rotor is in between poles, the coils will cancel out, and when the rotor is aligned with a pole, the flux will then flow though the rotor, allowing the magnetic field in each half of the stator as divided by the rotor to flow in opposite directions.

Yes I looked at that today and came to the same preliminary conclusion.  Notice if you change the dot polarity then you are adding when the rotor is not aligned and then when the rotor is aligned there is flux cancellation in the spinning rotor itself.

To be honest either way you have a transient AC short alternating with normal flux addition.  However, the key thing to keep in mind is that it's the "swipe by" of the rotor that is the key.  You have to be looking at the time-variant aspects because magnetics only work with changes with respect to time.  I can only assume that when you have a "swipe by" event that the rotor experiences Lenz drag.  In fact by definition it has to experience Lenz drag if it is going to pump energy into the LC resonator.

I am not going to push the analysis any further on my end but I welcome you guys to continue on your exploration.  The real way to figure out what is going on would be to actually have the device.

Here is were there is a big problem:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/index

It appears that on the main forum for the QEG it's 95% excited people that don't have a clue about electronics and magnetics.  The other 5% aren't particularly strong in the subject matter themselves.  I am certainly not an expert myself, but just by reading what's going on there, it's more New Age people than electronics people.  So there is barely a serious technical discussion going on on the main QEG forum.

One can only hope that some of the "be-do" people are also lurking here and trying to pick up on some of the discussion by osmosis.  Hopefully they will get a sense that it's not all roses in the purported future QEG free energy paradise that they are all dreaming of (to the tune of at least $100K USD).

The sad thing is that these "subversive discussions" are probably only "secretly whispered" on "be-do."  The ironic thing is that many "open minded" people are actually living in their own form of fear and intimidation and thoughtcrime.  For example, I read somewhere than on some generic "New Age" web site that is promoting the QEG, any negative posting questioning the QEG is nearly instantly deleted by the person that "watches over" the New Age forum.

So my feeling is that right now there is a lot of repressed "negative energy" that will eventually have to come out and people will start asking serious questions like, "Okay, we have been waiting for two months now, please show us proof that it works."

So I think that this thread has been a positive contribution so far with respect to the real truth.  That's what's important, uncovering the real truth whether it be good or bad.  For those with a decent technical background and a lot of experience watching these types of free energy propositions, the "optics" for this one are just about as bad as they can possibly get.  It's only a matter of time before the "newly discovered free energy flower children" start to wake up and smell the true roses.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 22, 2014, 02:26:51 AM
For reference, here is as close as it gets at this point on the "be-do" forum:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/272-how-or-why-does-the-qeg-work

First posting by newbie DrTube:  "TOPIC: How or Why does the QEG work????"

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Hello everybody,
I've been extensively studying the QEG User Manual and reading the Tesla Patent (511.916). Has anyone else actually read this patent? I don't understand how the QEG achieves its over unity effect (or COP>1 performance). This specific Tesla patent only describes a resonant transformer type of generator with a to-and-fro moving core which "someone" (James? WITTS?) has cleverly transformed into a rotational device. Good thinking! But there is no COP>1 performance here yet.

I think that the exciter coil is a crucial part for the COP>1 performance (though I can't see one in the WITTS videos). Now the QEG user manual states:
In the QEG, the exciter coil is used to provide a conduction path through the quantum field (zero point) into the generator core. This has the effect of polarizing the core, which increases power output over time.
This doesn't clarify anything to me. I understand clearly that the "classic" Maxwell-Heaviside-Lorentz EM theory is so heavily curtailed that it is incapable of accurately describing what's happening here. I suspect that the vector potential (A) and/or the scalar potential (Phi) generated by the exciter coil plays an important role here.

Who can shine some light on this important matter?

Response by veteran Larry:

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A thorough understanding of the topics you discuss in regards to how the QEG actually works is still being worked on! There are plenty of theories, with many of them being discussed on this forum, but until the machine is replicated, and all of the details figured out, I don't think anyone will have solid answers to your questions. Once there are multiple working copies of the generator we will have scientific and engineering types providing all of the measurements and theories based on actual observations that everyone has been clamoring for. Remember, the QEG is still in its infancy and will take some time to mature. There were some audio recordings posted today by Shean in which the developer of the QEG discusses various details of its operation that you may want to give a listen to.

Best Regards,

Larry

Quantum schmauntum.  Once there are m u l t i p l e   w  o  r  k  i  n  g      c    o    p    i    e    s.......

So there you have it.  HopeGirl asks for donations to run around the world and "teach" people how to make their own QEG so that they can pump power back into the grid!!!  Please just believe it works!  Just believe!!!!

I would say believe if you want to but don't spend one red cent until you get real proof that it does work..........

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 22, 2014, 02:36:52 AM
I wouldn't think they wanted the rotor to saturate like that, particularly since it should be running at much higher power levels, more like these shots if you go by what they're saying.

They're saying 24,000 volts on that primary, I don't even see how that is possible, could only be peek and very very briefly.

My model shows 50 amps dc is 1800 volts and 45k watts, you can't get much more than about 11 amps through a 20 awg winding without burning it up. http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm) These shots show 50 amps going through, it is so saturated nothing even goes through the rotor and there would be zero output on the secondary as a result of the rotor turning.

But if we clean this up with an appropriately sized rotor this might be a very interesting generator, because it seems quite possible to time the pulsing of the entire system such that there is very little lenz drag on the rotor.

DC Will pump more current though the windings than AC will.  At 400 Hz my simple tank model was showing about 650mA when the peak voltage on the primary was about 25kV.  Can you run your sim at 400 Hz and a peak current of 650mA and see what happens?

The new images seem to show aiding configuration of windings rather than bucking.  Did you change that or is that a result of the higher current?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 22, 2014, 03:58:05 AM
DC Will pump more current though the windings than AC will.  At 400 Hz my simple tank model was showing about 650mA when the peak voltage on the primary was about 25kV.  Can you run your sim at 400 Hz and a peak current of 650mA and see what happens?

The new images seem to show aiding configuration of windings rather than bucking.  Did you change that or is that a result of the higher current?


I did change it to aiding, oops.

I'm also working on an updated model with a double wide rotor, but it doesn't scale nicely. A fat rotor doesn't really fit good, major changes will be necessary.

I accidentally overwrote the model with the rotor gap specified by the blueprint, this has no gap in the rotor, so it is close but not exactly like it. I'll repair it later and try again, if it is significantly different I will re-post the results.

It took 20-25 minutes to compute each run but here are the results in one orientation aligned, bucking, 400hz:

Primary:
Total current = 0.65 Amps
Voltage Drop = 4300.45+I*60259.5 Volts
Flux Linkage = 23.9765-I*1.7016 Webers
Flux/Current = 36.8869-I*2.61785 Henries
Voltage/Current = 6616.08+I*92707 Ohms
Real Power = 1397.65 Watts
Reactive Power = 19584.4 VAr
Apparent Power = 19634.2 VA

Secondary shows:it
Total current = 0 Amps
Voltage Drop = -479.15-I*6091.01 Volts
Flux Linkage = -2.42354+I*0.190648 Webers
Real Power = -0 Watts
Reactive Power = 0 VAr
Apparent Power = 0 VA


I guess 4.3k volts + 60k imaginary could come out to the 24K volts in the primary they say they're getting. This is very interesting, it shows that it takes ~1400 watt to generate nearly 20KVA! that is great! The secondary should have that available  part of the time as the rotor spins, so they could be correct about the 10K, if your talking VA, but that is NOT watts...hard to say how many watts that is.

Nearly 500 volts in the secondary.

I am convinced it would work better with rotor 2x wider.

Here is the numbers from the lower model with the 2x wide rotor at 400hz:

Primary:
Total current = 0.65 Amps
Voltage Drop = 9197.42+I*102845 Volts
Flux Linkage = 40.9206-I*3.65005 Webers
Flux/Current = 62.9547-I*5.61546 Henries
Voltage/Current = 14149.9+I*158222 Ohms
Real Power = 2989.16 Watts
Reactive Power = 33424.5 VAr
Apparent Power = 33557.9 VA

Secondary:
Total current = 0 Amps
Voltage Drop = -1040.79-I*10900.3 Volts
Flux Linkage = -4.33707+I*0.414118 Webers
Real Power = -0 Watts
Reactive Power = 0 VAr
Apparent Power = 0 VA

Wow doubles the output.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 22, 2014, 06:49:23 AM
The below was posted by Peter Lindemann at the Energetic forum

Hey Folks,
 
 Here is an email I have sent to a number of people asking me about the QEG.
 
 Thank you for your email.  The QEG plans show a simple, switched reluctance generator powered by an external electric motor. (page 7)  This has nothing to do with Tesla!!!  This exact design was first proposed by John Ecklin in 1979.  I was a member of a group of researchers in Santa Barbara who built and tested many variations of this class of generator through the 1980s.  These machines are generally called "switched reluctance generators" or more correctly "variable inductance generators."
 
 If you put a capacitor in series with the input, as shown, the unit will "self-excite" if there is a slight amount of magnetism in the rotor or stator material.  There are specific speeds where the electrical output power goes up due to the resonance event, but during these episodes, the requirement of mechanical energy input goes up as well. If you just meter the voltage and the amperage, it looks really good, but it's mostly reactive power as the volts and amps are out of phase.
 
 If the output removes magnetic energy from the core, then there is less to circulate in the resonant tank (LC circuit) created by the input coils and the capacitor bank.  The system has a specific number of joules of energy (real power) circulating in the magnetic core and any real energy removed is produced by the reversal of the field in the output coils by the rotor shifting position.  Rotation of the rotor produces the mechanical shifting of the magnetic fields and reinforces the currents oscillating in the input coils.  One of the patent filings I produced back then was titled "Mechanical Rotary Transformer" and covered a design similar to this in many ways.  The best tests we produced with our prototypes had a COP = 1.2 (120% efficient).  The people involved in the Santa Barbara group included myself, Mike Knox, Bruce DePalma, Chris Carson, and later Eric Dollard.  In a parallel development, John Bedini duplicated much of the same series of experiments and concluded the same thing!  The best the machines could do was about 120%.  All of this happened before the internet, and since the experimental results were disappointing, no final report was ever produced.
 
 Knowing what I know about this class of machine, I do not believe anyone is going to build one of these in their backyard and power their home with it.  We spent over $30k building and $50k testing prototypes of these machines between 1981 and 1987.  This is not going to go where you think it is going.
 
 I stand by what I said in the newsletter.  An "open source" project based on these ideas will not go anywhere.  In fact, this was all "open sourced" in the 1980s by John Ecklin.  Look here at these links, taken from the archive at Rex Research:  John W Ecklin -- Stationary armature generator -- US Patent 3879633, US Patent 4567407, 12 articles (http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin.htm)
 and here:
 http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin1.jpg (http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin1.jpg)
 http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin8.jpg (http://www.rexresearch.com/ecklin/ecklin8.jpg)
 
 In the image of the article "ecklin1", John Ecklin is suggesting 400% efficiency was possible, but it never was experimentally demonstrated. In the image of the article "ecklin8", the design of the machine on the left shows the same structure as the one in the QEG plans.  The drawing on the right is from my patent filing, first reported on by Paul Brown in 1981.  Both Paul and I knew John Ecklin.
 
 Sorry, but I am trying to help people understand that this has been looked at, in depth, over 30 years ago, and it doesn't work well enough to produce a self-running machine.
 
 I have no knowledge of the "Fix the World" group or their motives for putting these plans together, but it is my belief that this sort of machine is not perfected yet, and should not be "open sourced" to a community of enthusiastic people who do not have the machine shop skills or the sophisticated electrical engineering and mathematical background to understand the significant subtleties of a variable inductance machine.
 
 That about covers it!
 
 Best regards,
 Peter __________________
 Peter Lindemann, D.Sc.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 22, 2014, 07:50:12 AM
Luc,

In general terms, that posting by Peter Lindemann is basically correct in his reasoning and discussion of what's taking place from my perspective and from what I have learned over the past week.  However, where he stumbles and falls is in his claim of a COP of 1.2.  Notice he doesn't give any details about what that COP 1.2 even means.

Peter will never meet a challenge when somebody wants to get into an involved discussion with him about electronics and measurements and how a circuit actually words, etc, as far as I am aware.  People like Poynt99 and MarkE and PicoWatt could spin circles around Peter when it comes to electronics and measurements techniques and a whole gamut of hard core electronics and engineering stuff.  Peter is a lightweight that manages to create the illusion that he is very knowledgeable.

I am being somewhat harsh because I view Peter as a "pro" just like HopeGirl and company are crowd-funded pros that are deceiving people and acting unethically while creating the pretense of ethical behaviour.  Are they cons or are they clueless, I am not 100% sure.  But I myself have the common sense to get an expert opinion on something that I don't know much about.  I would be completely mortified to accept donations from people if I didn't know what I was doing.

So sorry to play the Bad Cop but Peter's COP 1.2 claims are junk.  If what he said was true his whole team would have received the Nobel Prize.

A magnetic core in an inductor or a transformer is a lossy mechanism for storing and then recovering magnetic energy by definition.  Even is it is 99.9% efficient at returning the energy that you put into it that is still lossy.  There is no such thing as a magnetic core returning more than you put into it.

Why is Peter claiming COP 1.2?  If you want to be really cynical you can speculate that he says that to keep the
"Peter Lindemann mystique/aura" going to keep those ticket sales high for the next Bedini/Lindemann/Aaron conference.  You play the tease to keep your audience stoked for the next paid live appearance.

Just keeping it real, I hope that you understand.

MileHigh

P.S.:  If any team does a faithful replication of this device the key to understanding it would be to construct a timing diagram that shows in front of your eyes how the thing works.  If there truly was over unity you would literally be able to show a "slice" in a waveform on your timing diagram where the free energy was manifesting itself.  The timing diagram and the associated schematic for any circuit and associated tests rules.  We will see if replication teams actually start reporting their results and if any of them show any timing diagrams.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 22, 2014, 08:55:11 AM
shinz62,

I got a FEMM analysis done.  I scaled the core down by 1/2 in all dimensions.  It should use about 1/4 the material of the full sized one, and weight approximately 1/4 of the original.  I also made the stator a bit narrower and the rotor a bit wider to get the rotor to have twice the cross-sectional area of the stator, without making the rotor so wide as to cause problems with the poles taking up too much winding space.  I'm sure my model needs more work, although it was fun to some initial results with this application.  Perhaps this size core would be buildable for 1/4 of the cost of the full sized unit.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 22, 2014, 03:43:23 PM
This one is hard to build and it will take at least 100 hours to be done, but in my point of view is worthful to try.. Anyway, I'm here to learn and if this generator works, this will be great, if not I'm sure that I'll improve my knowledge...


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 22, 2014, 04:09:56 PM
WOW Ariovaldo... you have a lot of courage and patience.

All the best to you in your tests

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 22, 2014, 04:15:07 PM
Kudos to Lindemann for that report. It is very important for all "QEG" builders to read and understand what Peter is saying in that report. The "QEG" will NOT work as WhateverGirl and Robitaille claim it will. Never, no way Jose, and Peter and his friends explored the entire problem space long ago. I am not too concerned about the paltry claim of COP = 1.2..... that is sufficiently close to the noise floor as to not be exciting or even worth "replicating" his series of experiments to track down the ultimate error. His error analysis and correct recognition of the great reactive power in the system is much more important.

Here is the very most problematic statement in Lindemann's report:

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since the experimental results were disappointing, no final report was ever produced.

Translation: We did not get the results we wanted, so why report anything?

It should be clear that this is egregious pseudoscientific misconduct. When you do an experiment and you get NULL RESULTS.... it is just as important to report those, perhaps even more important than your ... perhaps bogus ... "positive" results that appear to support your hypothesis.
Please refer to the Scientific Method: experiments are done with the purpose of _falsifying_ hypotheses. When you FAIL to falsify your hypothesis, MAYBE it is supported by your results. But when you DO falsify your hypothesis.... by producing "experimental results that are disappointing".... then you KNOW that your experiment does not support the hypothesis. For sure. This is VERY IMPORTANT information, and people who do not publish null results are doing a profound disservice to the community of researchers, as well as violating a fundamental principle, a core component, of the Scientific Method.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 22, 2014, 05:49:40 PM
gotoluc,   Thanks for your input and reference to the Ecklin device as it does seem very similar although not identical.   


MileHigh,  For a change I find you comments on this enlightening.    I still say though we don't know everything and it is possible some small deviation in how this is built could result in free energy.   But I say just let the QEG guys who are already working on this work this out until they either do or do not have a working device.   If it's not at least putting out twice the power it uses within a year I would consider it a lost cause.   I still do not believe they are trying to scam anyone but maybe they have been duped by the Witt's people into believing it works if the Witts device is bogus. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 22, 2014, 06:05:53 PM
This one is hard to build and will take at least 100 hours to finish it, but in my point of view is worthful to try.. Anyway, I'm here to learn and if this generator works, this will be great, if not I'm sure that I'll improve my knowledge...


Cheers


Ariovaldo


One more picture.....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 22, 2014, 07:04:11 PM
WOW Ariovaldo... you have a lot of courage and patience.

All the best to you in your tests

Luc
You are right about courage an patience, but it is ok.
Thanks
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on April 22, 2014, 08:43:29 PM
To ariovaldo and other builders,

I would recommend doubling down if you are building this generator by attempting to bring
the machine up in stages. First by using the constructed core to build a 120VAC/240VAC 60Hz
generator that requires a 40VDC static field regulator. You could then find how much power
one can apply before the rotor saturates (see above). Since you are not competing with
anyone (business competitors) there is no compunction to maintain the lowest cost optimality
in the design. In fact you have exceeded the requirements by having a larger winding
wire gauge and you would have excess insulation then required. This would give you
experience with generator field regulation before continuing.

Next build a 60Hz resonant design using the same core hopefully with a not-so-high 60Hz voltage
field regulation. With this you should be able to attain sub-harmonic locking between the field resonance
and the rotor,s angular velocity. Lets one figure out how the rotor energy feeds the field resonance.

Here is the thing. If either of these above works with *high efficiency* one could consider attempting to
build a qmogen motor/generator as a overunity bail-out position. This would be just as good as the Witts solution,
maybe better and you would have all the components to do this as required except you would add an
intermediate flywheel pulley.

Finally attempt to construct the 400Hertz High Voltage resonant field. The generator itself would never
have to be modified, but only its supporting circuitry. This could very well give you the experience required
to find a solution to 400Hz high voltage resonance. It would allow you to experience easy success with a
working project - or to find any design show-stoppers before doing the hard part or having a high voltage
field burn out. This would be one reason to attempt to get the high voltage vacuum formed field core
if at all possible, even though this could actually inhibit the device from overunity operation.

:S:MarkSCoffman
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 22, 2014, 11:54:18 PM
F_Brown,


Nice job on the simulation,
Of course you had to scale the current and turns too.
can you say what your primary and secondary numbers are at 400hz?


Thanks.





Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 12:42:21 AM
F_Brown,

Is it possible to simulate the attached circuit in your FEMM?

GL.

Since I am just learning FEMM at the moment, I lack the ability to integrate circuit analysis with magnetic analysis in FEMM or if that's even possible.  I could make a pure SPICE model of your device.  You know when using cut cores like that, the coils are usually put on the straight sections of the cores for two reasons:  One it's more difficult to put windings on the curved portion of the cores, and two having windings over the cut sections of the cores helps to reduce magnetic fringing there.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 12:58:17 AM
F_Brown,


Nice job on the simulation,
Of course you had to scale the current and turns too.
can you say what your primary and secondary numbers are at 400hz?


Thanks.

I am only using primary windings at the moment because I still have yet to figure out how to attach a load to the secondary in FEMM.  The secondary would just be open ended and generate a voltage without any current flow. 

The primary I am using for this is 1550 turns of 20awg wire, which is 1/2 the turns of the original 3100.  I set the current at 0.9 amps and raised the frequency of operation to 1kHz to prevent saturating the core.  That is maintaining the flux density under 1.5 Tesla's for the M19 silicon steel laminations.  This type of core is usually only driven to 1.0 T to 1.5 T because the material saturates at around 2 T.  If the core saturates, it would allow large current surges to propagate though the windings and cause bad things to happen.  I set the gap between the stator and rotor at 0.025".

At the moment I am preparing an animation of the flux density during a full rotation of the armature.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on April 23, 2014, 12:58:39 AM
Since I am just learning FEMM at the moment, I lack the ability to integrate circuit analysis with magnetic analysis in FEMM or if that's even possible.  I could make a pure SPICE model of your device.  You know when using cut cores like that, the coils are usually put on the straight sections of the cores for two reasons:  One it's more difficult to put windings on the curved portion of the cores, and two having windings over the cut sections of the cores helps to reduce magnetic fringing there.

F_Brown,

Thanks for taking time to consider a simulation of the circuit. I do not know if Spice has a built in model for
magnetic amplifiers. I have tested this method by using two toroid Ferrite cores. But, as you say, it is much
more easy to wind cores that are cut. Even if you have to wind the curved part. It is my theory that the QEG
is nothing more than a magnetic amplifier with a free running tuned LC tank circuit. So two cores with a mutual
winding will be a good test to see if there is any gain or not. The nice thing with two cores and a mutual winding
is that you can use that as a AC (or pulsed DC) on/off switch. When the center coil is open then there is no
transfer of energy to the right output coil. When you short the center coil then you have a output. And the best
part is that NO energy is used to short the center coil. So you can build a parametric inductance switch and you do
not have to spend a lot of energy such as in any motor driven rotor etc. It is my hope that people read a little
about magnetic amplifiers because I think there is a lot of useful information there.

Information about magnetic amplifiers can be found here: http://www.tuks.nl/pdf/Reference_Material/Magnetic_Amplifiers/

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 01:09:00 AM
I am familiar with magnetic amplifiers.  I could build a non-linear SPICE model that includes core saturation.  They run quite slowly though.

If James is operating the QEG as a mag-amp, then he's using the wrong core material, because silicon steel saturates quite slowly.  Mag-amps use a sharply saturating nickel-cobalt alloys to get cleaner off/on switching performance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 01:36:24 AM
Luc,

In general terms, that posting by Peter Lindemann is basically correct in his reasoning and discussion of what's taking place from my perspective and from what I have learned over the past week.  However, where he stumbles and falls is in his claim of a COP of 1.2.  Notice he doesn't give any details about what that COP 1.2 even means.

Peter will never meet a challenge when somebody wants to get into an involved discussion with him about electronics and measurements and how a circuit actually words, etc, as far as I am aware.  People like Poynt99 and MarkE and PicoWatt could spin circles around Peter when it comes to electronics and measurements techniques and a whole gamut of hard core electronics and engineering stuff.  Peter is a lightweight that manages to create the illusion that he is very knowledgeable.

I am being somewhat harsh because I view Peter as a "pro" just like HopeGirl and company are crowd-funded pros that are deceiving people and acting unethically while creating the pretense of ethical behaviour.  Are they cons or are they clueless, I am not 100% sure.  But I myself have the common sense to get an expert opinion on something that I don't know much about.  I would be completely mortified to accept donations from people if I didn't know what I was doing.

So sorry to play the Bad Cop but Peter's COP 1.2 claims are junk.  If what he said was true his whole team would have received the Nobel Prize.

A magnetic core in an inductor or a transformer is a lossy mechanism for storing and then recovering magnetic energy by definition.  Even is it is 99.9% efficient at returning the energy that you put into it that is still lossy.  There is no such thing as a magnetic core returning more than you put into it.

Why is Peter claiming COP 1.2?  If you want to be really cynical you can speculate that he says that to keep the
"Peter Lindemann mystique/aura" going to keep those ticket sales high for the next Bedini/Lindemann/Aaron conference.  You play the tease to keep your audience stoked for the next paid live appearance.

Just keeping it real, I hope that you understand.

MileHigh

P.S.:  If any team does a faithful replication of this device the key to understanding it would be to construct a timing diagram that shows in front of your eyes how the thing works.  If there truly was over unity you would literally be able to show a "slice" in a waveform on your timing diagram where the free energy was manifesting itself.  The timing diagram and the associated schematic for any circuit and associated tests rules.  We will see if replication teams actually start reporting their results and if any of them show any timing diagrams.

How thoughtless of Lindermann's group to neglect to document their researcht.  The just forces any other interested party to have to repeat the same work just to get the answers they already found.

In spite that we now have Computational Electro-Magnetics software and laser cut laminations.  Maybe we can do better now than a COP of 1.2.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on April 23, 2014, 01:38:42 AM
I am familiar with magnetic amplifiers.  I could build a non-linear SPICE model that includes core saturation.  They run quite slowly though.

If James is operating the QEG as a mag-amp, then he's using the wrong core material, because silicon steel saturates quite slowly.  Mag-amps use a sharply saturating nickel-cobalt alloys to get cleaner off/on switching performance.

F_Brown,

Don't thinks so much about saturation, think more about parametric inductance switching. The attached drawing
is an attempt to explain what I'm talking about. Here you have to air core coils and a mutual coil between them.
Is it possible to simulate this setup? And do you think it is possible to switch AC or pulsed DC from the input coil
to the output coil by shorting the middle mutual coil? Maybe we need to bend the middle coil flat to the other two
to get a magnetic coupling between them? Just thinking out load here.....

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 01:51:49 AM
In order to do that in spice, with standard linear inductor models, two middle windings would be necessary one one each core that were then put in series or left open, because as far as I know in spice joining two cores with one winding is impossible, although I see what you mean now.

Also I think the proper direction for the arrow on the second core would be the other way.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on April 23, 2014, 02:04:47 AM
In order to do that in spice, with standard linear inductor models, two middle windings would be necessary one one each core that were then put in series or left open, because as far as I know in spice joining two cores with one winding is impossible, although I see what you mean now.

Also I think the proper direction for the arrow on the second core would be the other way.

F_Brown,

In my drawing, no core at all. Just coils on plastic bobbins.
So no saturation and also higher frequencies possible.

OK, it is late night here now, time for bed, nice to talk to you.

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 02:12:19 AM
F_Brown,

In my drawing, no core at all. Just coils on plastic bobbins.
So no saturation and also higher frequencies possible.

OK, it is late night here now, time for bed, nice to talk to you.

GL.

I see.  Coils are considered inductors in spice.  So in the case were all the inductors are air core coils, it would take four to get the job done in s spice model.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on April 23, 2014, 03:51:05 AM
How comes the naysayers have completely taken over this thread?


I don't know if the QEG works and what those people (3) are doing with the 100 grand fundrising cash, but one thing I know for sure:


There are many professional desinformation agents out there, making more than a 100k each one each year, only by badmouthing in the internet. Taxmoney, or from energy industrial complex, we pay it. They are getting emotional from mentioning the latest superiour weapons of the US, good patriots. Economical hitmen maybe, to secure "national security".


After investing so much in the control of oil, free energy would be rather unhandy, right?


Joe Average is my buddy, we are all Joe Average, worldwide, except for those pseudohumans.


I need an ignore button.


Nothing's for granted and time will tell what's the deal with the QEG. But this naysayer dominance is unbearable.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 23, 2014, 04:41:40 AM
Dieter,

If you are insulting people like me that exercise our critical thinking skills and call them "pseudohumans" then you have a problem.  This is not Oz, this is not Middle Earth, this is real life.  Things actually have to work in real life and people have to explain how they work.

Many people turn on their high-definition LED/LCD TV and they don't have the slightest clue how it works.  You could tell them a completely ridiculous explanation for how the hardware inside the TV works and they might believe you.

Some people turn on their high-definition LED/LCD TV and they have a reasonably good understanding of how the hardware and software inside the TV works.

Obviously, some people are at a disadvantage as compared other people when it comes to high-definition LED/LED TVs.  They might believe a crazy story about the TV.  A story crazy enough to make them look like fools without even realizing it.

So you think about that before you start labeling people as "pseudohumans."

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on April 23, 2014, 04:59:18 AM
At the moment I am preparing an animation of the flux density during a full rotation of the armature.

@F_Brown and @shinz62

Glad to see you do some FEMM simulations as this is fundamental to understanding how the device functions. With respect to an animation, I did one a short while back and posted it at the energetic forum. I had to shrink the animation down in size (due to file size limitations), but it is a real size simulation in FEMM. I have attached it to this post. Let me know if you wish me to animate anything else in particular.

With respect to modeling circuits in FEMM, that is not possible. You will have to make a work around outside of FEMM for that. You can do it with SPICE or write some code yourself (which is what I did). In another post of energetic forum, I posted some circuit simulation results as well. It appears this is the more dedicated QEG thread for that topic, so I have attached my results below to keep the record complete. I am currently researching if I can simulate a stable steady state system from which I can calculate power out and also energy consumed by force on the rotor from the coils (I have already confirmed that this is NOT a Lenz less case where there is no force on the rotor by the coils). Under very special conditions, you can make Lenz go away; not really go away, but have it average out to zero over one rotation. However I haven't been able to proof this with my simulations.

Anyway, here are my initial findings:

1. The system is started up by parametric excitation of the inductance of the primary coils. Quite a few links have been posted in this thread about parametric excitation, so if you wish know what that is all about, read some of those papers (a lot of them were written in the 1930s).
 
 2. Starting up the system is no magic. It can all be explained with normal electrical equations. Current noise (e.g. a pA in my simulations) in the coils will grow to about a few 100mA in the primary coils and the voltages associated with that run in the kV range. In my simulations I have seen voltages oscillate with magnitudes of 1kV to 20kV depending on system parameters that you set (inductances, modulation index of inductances, coil resistances, etc.). The capacitance sets the electrical resonance frequency. Tuning the system (electrically and mechanically), it is very easy to get high voltage spikes that can burn out the isolation on the coils (which is what happened in Taiwan). From my simulations, I find typical stable voltages for the primary coils around 2kV-5kV range. The secondary coils run at a factor Nsec/Nprim = 350/3100 = 0.113 lower than that, so in the couple of 100 volt range.
 
 3. The humming that was witnessed is most likely caused by the enormous flux densities in the transformer core and due to the fact that the core is laminated. A normal transformer also hums. Vibrations occur when the rotor closes in to the core or moves away from it AND a flux is going from core through rotor back to core.
 
 4. Parametric excitation can occur at multiple frequencies. Typically, the inductance is modulated at a frequency of 2v (v= Greek nu) while the electrical resonance is set at f = n*v/2 with n an integer. It is easiest to find a stable region when the electrical resonance is set at the smallest n number (n=1). In this particular case, the rotor runs at frequency v and the inductance is modulated at 4v, so the electrical resonance should be preferably set at 2v. In this case it appears the resonance starts occurring at a rotor speed of 1500rpm (about 25 Hz), so inductance is modulated at 100Hz. James indicates the output frequency is around 400Hz, which would mean he set the electrical frequency at a multiplier of n=8.
 
 5. The second set of coils is basically a copy of the first set of coils and they perform a similar role. I hope to discuss this in more detail later.
 
 I have attached a few figures that show how the high voltage develops in the primary coils. You have to pick the parameters right to get a steady state solution. It is very easy for the voltage to go out of bound (which would fry the coils due to high voltage arcing).
 
 The image QEG_StartUp.jpg shows how the resonance starts from 1pA of noise in the primary coils.
 
 The image QEG_Transient.jpg shows the transient behavior from startup to steady state. You can see the voltage initially overshoot to over 4kV, then settle down to about 2.8kV.
 
 The image QEG_SteadyState.jpg show the steady state in detail: as explained before the inductance is modulated at 4v (4x per rotation). The electrical resonance frequency is tuned to 2v with the capacitance. Both the voltage and current oscillate at 2v (50Hz). Note that the capacitance can be choosen so as to resonate at a higher harmonic (e.g. in James' case n=8).
 
 But now comes the questionable part of all of the above.
 
 The problem with parametric excitation is that it is very hard to get any kind of power out of the system without destroying the resonance condition. The energy in the primary system runs about a 2-3 joules. Energy for each of the elements is 1/2L*i*i for the coils, 1/2C*V*V for the capacitor and power loss is R*i*i in the coil resistance. All these translate to about 125W total in the coil and capacitor together and about 3W loss in the coil resistance.
 
 So the question now remains if it is possible to extract energy from this parametric system without destroying the resonance...
 
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 23, 2014, 05:14:11 AM
How comes the naysayers have completely taken over this thread?


.. But this naysayer dominance is unbearable.

Well, my parents always taught me to shut my mouth, watch and learn and only write only when necessary and when it makes a difference in relaying truth. There are some people here with mile high egos who cannot stop talking, always trying so very hard to try impress others with their perceived 'knowledge' . Truth is, it's almost always the opposite. But then, this is a public forum, anyone who can type can participate. Not a lot of skill required, actually

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 23, 2014, 05:22:43 AM
Well, my parents always taught me to shut my mouth, watch and learn and only write only when necessary and when it makes a difference in relaying truth. There are some people here with mile high egos who cannot stop talking, always trying so very hard to try impress others with their perceived 'knowledge' . Truth is, it's almost always the opposite. But then, this is a public forum, anyone who can type can participate. Not a lot of skill required, actually

Well, ChrisC, I guess that you did not learn from your parents at all.  If they are still with us on this Earth they would be pained to see this type of behaviour from you.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 23, 2014, 05:56:35 AM
How comes the naysayers have completely taken over this thread?


I don't know if the QEG works and what those people (3) are doing with the 100 grand fundrising cash, but one thing I know for sure:


There are many professional desinformation agents out there, making more than a 100k each one each year, only by badmouthing in the internet. Taxmoney, or from energy industrial complex, we pay it. They are getting emotional from mentioning the latest superiour weapons of the US, good patriots. Economical hitmen maybe, to secure "national security".


After investing so much in the control of oil, free energy would be rather unhandy, right?


Joe Average is my buddy, we are all Joe Average, worldwide, except for those pseudohumans.


I need an ignore button.


Nothing's for granted and time will tell what's the deal with the QEG. But this naysayer dominance is unbearable.
Have the people promoting the QEG shown any strong evidence that it can work, or that it does?  If the answer is yes, then skeptics have little room to argue.  If the answer is no, then I think the problem is with promoters long on promises and short on supporting facts.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 07:49:59 AM
I just posted a video of flux gating in a QEG style core.  This is a demonstration of flux density in the core as the rotor turns with a steady AC signal applied to the primary coils of the core which are operated in bucking configuration.  The actual operation of the complete QEG in power generation mode would likely to be significantly different. 

http://youtu.be/oVbmNcW5lSk
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 23, 2014, 07:57:37 AM
Have any of you seen the new video showing the device being tuned and going into resonance,   That sound is the only totally harmonic I have ever heard that makes me want to dance!!!    It is pure enthusiasm and now I am very very interested in building this device.


 http://pesn.com/2014/04/05/9602467_QEG-Effect_replicated_by_Taiwan-group/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 23, 2014, 08:19:17 AM
Now I wait for the measurements to be verified.   So many false hopes over the years,  keeping a light on for the real one is not easy.  The wait, the wait     always a wait.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Marshallin on April 23, 2014, 12:37:05 PM
Hi guys.

i still dont understand, how this device should work. But i dont found any explanation of principle here or anywhere else.

My current thoughts:
If change of "flux resitance" produce energy, we can simulate that with less expensive setup without problem.

If movement(or vibration) of feromagnetic(rotor) in earth electromegnetic field can produce some energy in pickup coil, we can again replicate it will non-expensive setup.

Without knowing what we want to achive there is no point of building expensive device.

GL
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 12:57:49 PM
Hi guys.

i still dont understand, how this device should work. But i dont found any explanation of principle here or anywhere else.

My current thoughts:
If change of "flux resitance" produce energy, we can simulate that with less expensive setup without problem.

If movement(or vibration) of feromagnetic(rotor) in earth electromegnetic field can produce some energy in pickup coil, we can again replicate it will non-expensive setup.

Without knowing what we want to achive there is no point of building expensive device.

GL

The only explanation offered so far as to theory is parametric excitation of the inductance value as the method of driving the system and a piezo effect in the steel lamination combining with the electrical resonance of the main tank circuit as contributing to the output of the device. 

I'd like to hear some more as to just what the exciter circuit is suppose to do.  It's put in series with the output.  Maybe that is suppose to backwards through the secondary and then affect the primaries somehow. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Tseak on April 23, 2014, 01:01:10 PM
Hi guys.

i still dont understand, how this device should work. But i dont found any explanation of principle here or anywhere else.

My current thoughts:
If change of "flux resitance" produce energy, we can simulate that with less expensive setup without problem.

If movement(or vibration) of feromagnetic(rotor) in earth electromegnetic field can produce some energy in pickup coil, we can again replicate it will non-expensive setup.

Without knowing what we want to achive there is no point of building expensive device.

GL
The common sense approach. But hold on - If one has a big, expensive setup, claims loudly that it works and shouts about its benefit to all (The fact that you have no idea whether it works is irrelevant at this stage) then one can call for generous donations. There is a word that describes this approach. The word is scam.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 23, 2014, 01:13:46 PM
It's pretty hilarious. Look at the recent "official" statements. Even the main builders cannot tell anyone why or how it is supposed to work. There is no coherent theory, no reasonable explanation... they just "know it will work" if they fool around with it enough. They have no working prototype, never have had. They have no explanation of how it can work. But they claim it will be the answer to everyone's hopes and they have no problem asking people to give them money based on their empty promises!


Come on, people. This is all chum. Don't be fish. INSIST on a WORKING PROTOTYPE or at the very least a COHERENT PLAUSIBLE EXPLANATION of why anyone should believe that it will work as claimed, before you start cutting laminations and buying kilometers of wire. If you follow this simple rule you will save yourselves a lot of time and money.

Remember this post, in a week, month, year.... because in a week, month, year you will still see no self-runner, no excess usable power, from this device or these people (Robitaille and WhateverGirl.)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 23, 2014, 02:17:51 PM
Have any of you seen the new video showing the device being tuned and going into resonance,   That sound is the only totally harmonic I have ever heard that makes me want to dance!!!    It is pure enthusiasm and now I am very very interested in building this device.


 http://pesn.com/2014/04/05/9602467_QEG-Effect_replicated_by_Taiwan-group/ (http://pesn.com/2014/04/05/9602467_QEG-Effect_replicated_by_Taiwan-group/)


So is this video showing the device putting out power or not?  Looks like the team there are having success and are showing it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 02:37:08 PM

So is this video showing the device putting out power or not?  Looks like the team there are having success and are showing it.

It's been generally accepted that the device will work as a generator.  The answer being waited on with trepidation is will the device work as an over-unity generator.  As to that some good stats would more convincing than a choppy video of a couple lights lighting up. 

Could you ask James to provide an explanation on just what the exciter is suppose to do? 

Has he tried putting the exciter in the primary side of the device?

Could you post a video of the QEG operating in self-sustaining mode?

Thanks,

FB
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on April 23, 2014, 03:26:23 PM

I'd like to hear some more as to just what the exciter circuit is suppose to do.  It's put in series with the output.  Maybe that is suppose to backwards through the secondary and then affect the primaries somehow.
 


It's obviously a spark gap. During Tesla's time a spark gap was used to generate broadband low frequency RF.

This was used for exciting in Tesla Coils and as an oscillatory function in radio transmitters (no vac. tubes yet).

What is a spark gap doing tied to power line? - Obviously someone expects there will be static electricity there!

Second the motion by the fact that the sides of the machine are not metal but fiberglass. The metal rotor is insulated.

So it functions like the Testatika machine/Wimshurst machine. Static electricity is generated then is somewhat re-structured

form by adding LF RF to it like in a Tesla coil. and again like the Testatika Power RF Oscillator. These machines need to regauge

(change the relationship of voltage x current to power) so they can isolate subsystems. Then you simply run the re-formed

power through the coils to supercharge the internal magnetic motor flux. Note that electron flux often travels backwards

relative to common current flow.  I've always felt that this machine should operate this way without

knowing the details since the Tharpp video showed it in the first place.  There were previously people that

have done this in the 1920's - once they installed a powerful engine/motor in an aircraft - with obvious outcome. My feeling is that

tribiological electricity is inherently overunity. With three force affecting the electron - electrostatic, electromagnetic, and beta nuclear.

Static electricity is a macroscopic apparition of LENR. I will endeavor to prove this when the Shensei makes their ESM65-TR1

electrostatic motor available for sale.


This is why critics are no good for this type of thing, they don't structure incremental evidence for the operation of each device

as it comes along and before long they don't have a clue as to how these thing could even work. Critics need to stop saying

that there is no theory of operation for this device. It's that *they* don't have one.


No question though, I feel that overloading subsystem functions and variable parametric control structures

like in this device is not genius design but half-*ssed engineering practice. Parameters should have operational

margins not tuning. Variable parameters make it both difficult to understand system operation theory as well as

difficulty bringing it up.



:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on April 23, 2014, 04:07:07 PM
James said his prototype was running for 150 hours. The taiwan replication used two bulbs to indicate resonance, while the naysayers said there is Nada. How can nada power two bulbs? Suddently it is accepted to work as a generator. Then a report about COP 1.3. If so then Nobel, mh says, but tk says COP 1.3 not even worth to build. German replication 2500W out. tube. Witts vids, several.


And the Naysayers said nay from the beginning on, without to know any details... "impossible" what are you lurking around here anyway, I double: get an underunity forum and pollute it with your bad vibes. You say they did not proof anything, but in fact you did not proof any believable reason why you are here, acting as the mother of all sh!tstorms on any attempt of free energy,  especially (actually ONLY) when you're afraid it could be real.


I don't know for sure if you're pseudohumans, but they do exist and they make this world a piece of crap.


Beside all technical aspects, I feel that these 3 people, James, Hopegirl and the other woman are of high integrity and said sh!tstorms that you ate so proud of, have hurt them severly. This whole thing must be a tremendous burden. And then lots of Teenies pop up and say "scam!"... what a complex intellectial analysis.


Anyway, especially that older women appears so honest and integer... It's about people. They may fail, but they are no scammers. I really hate people who got that "scam!" quick draw attitude because it happened to me when some psychosect stalkers ruined my software programming business. That's so easy with the web...


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 23, 2014, 04:16:08 PM
James said his prototype was running for 150 hours. The taiwan replication used two bulbs to indicate resonance, while the naysayers said there is Nada. How can nada power two bulbs? Suddently it is accepted to work as a generator. Then a report about COP 1.3. If so then Nobel, mh says, but tk says COP 1.3 not even worth to build. German replication 2500W out. tube. Witts vids, several.


And the Naysayers said nay from the beginning on, without to know any details... "impossible" what are you lurking around here anyway, I double: get an underunity forum and pollute it with your bad vibes. You say they did not proof anything, but in fact you did not proof any believable reason why you are here, acting as the mother of all sh!tstorms on any attempt of free energy,  especially (actually ONLY) when you're afraid it could be real.


I don't know for sure if you're pseudohumans, but they do exist and they make this world a piece of crap.


Beside all technical aspects, I feel that these 3 people, James, Hopegirl and the other woman are of high integrity and said sh!tstirms that you ate so proud of, have hurt them severly. This whole thing must be a tremendous burden. And then lots of Teenies pop up and say "scam!"... what a complex intellectial analysis.


Anyway, especially that older women appears so honest and integer... It's about people. They may fail, but they are no scammers. I really hate people who got that "scam!" quick draw attitude because it happened to me when some psychosect stalkers ruined my software programming business. That's so easy with the web...
Dieter if James said that it was working for almost a week straight (150 hours vs 168 hours in a week) then surely they at least have video of that.  If they had one working for so long, why is it that they were unable to reproduce?

I gauge integrity by the consistency between what people claim and what they deliver.  These guys claim to have a world changing technology.  Where is the delivery?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 04:20:57 PM
I get that they lack a clue as to how the machine could output more energy than it inputs, and that's OK.  Free energy is really a very simple thing.  If one puts a sail on a boat, they are capturing and utilizing free energy.  Same thing here, if the machine works as claimed, it's just using a different kind of sail to capture and utilize EM energy.  Although, in the absence of any satisfying explanation as to just how that works, some some hard statistics are going to be needed by those who lack the ability to go and see the machine working as claimed for themselves.  Thrapp seems to have also shown some lights lighting up, although he seems to have failed to provide any convincing evidence that his machine actually does what he claims it does.

I've been researching new energy science for over a decade, and there are people here on this forum that have been doing that for two or three times that long.  In that time I have reviewed more alleged over-unity devices than I care to think about.  I started my research here on this forum when it was hosted as a yahoo group by spending months reviewing over 10,000 posts to find potential devices to investigate further.  I found there is a very common progression followed by people who claim they have built a device that operate over-unity, and the strongest commonality in that progression is the failure of the claimants to provide sound and verifiable statistics that clearly show over-unity operation.

So to put an end to all the bickering, simply provide some sound and verifiable statistics.

Best regards,

FB
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 23, 2014, 06:12:05 PM
And it would be nice if the actual facts that ARE known aren't continually altered and misrepresented.

1. It was the woman, not James Robitaille, that claimed 150 hours of "working".
2. Her definition of "working" clearly differs from mine -- since every one of the QEG team members will tell you, if asked, that they DO NOT have a working prototype that will run itself and power external loads.
3. Timothy Thrapp and WITTS are known to be.... unreliable. Nobody, nowhere, ever, has reproduced any of his many claimed free energy and overunity devices.
4. There is NOTHING in the present QEG design that resembles or operates like any electrostatic generators, most especially Wimshurst. Don't believe me? Then show some electrostatic work of your own that demonstrates your understanding and how the QEG relates.
5. When a 500 watt lightbulb lights up, that does NOT mean that it is dissipating 500 Watts!
6. The simulations that have been done are matching some of the actual data from the QEG team, and indicate that the measurements are measuring _circulating reactive power_ and not real usable power. If you want to get excited about circulating reactive power that is much greater than the input power..... you can do it much more cheaply and simply than with a QEG.
7. The various Tesla patents that the QEG team have been referring to have nothing to do with what they are trying to build. Tesla is ROFLing in his grave.
8. You dismiss my postings of diagrams of variable reluctance and shaded-pole motors as if you don't see the relevance... but that is exactly what is being built here. Take any motor of this type--- anyone can find them easily enough in AC fans -- and turn the shaft mechanically while monitoring the wires with a scope. You will apparently be amazed that it will act as a generator -- even though it has not a single magnet or brush assembly at all.
9. You can call me all the names you like.... pseudohuman, that's a new one! ..... but in a week, month, year.... there will STILL be no self-runner demonstrated and there will STILL be people sucking up your money claiming to have one. Fraud? Scam? What do they call it in YOUR country when you try to sell something you do not own or possess? Does calling the money you ask for a "donation" help your legal and moral position at all?


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 23, 2014, 07:03:10 PM
I get that they lack a clue as to how the machine could output more energy than it inputs, and that's OK.  Free energy is really a very simple thing.  If one puts a sail on a boat, they are capturing and utilizing free energy.  Same thing here, if the machine works as claimed, it's just using a different kind of sail to capture and utilize EM energy.  Although, in the absence of any satisfying explanation as to just how that works, some some hard statistics are going to be needed by those who lack the ability to go and see the machine working as claimed for themselves.  Thrapp seems to have also shown some lights lighting up, although he seems to have failed to provide any convincing evidence that his machine actually does what he claims it does.

I've been researching new energy science for over a decade, and there are people here on this forum that have been doing that for two or three times that long.  In that time I have reviewed more alleged over-unity devices than I care to think about.  I started my research here on this forum when it was hosted as a yahoo group by spending months reviewing over 10,000 posts to find potential devices to investigate further.  I found there is a very common progression followed by people who claim they have built a device that operate over-unity, and the strongest commonality in that progression is the failure of the claimants to provide sound and verifiable statistics that clearly show over-unity operation.

So to put an end to all the bickering, simply provide some sound and verifiable statistics.

Best regards,

FB
Timothy Thrapp has a long history of making false free energy claims.  Anything that he says that is not independently corroborated is worthless.

I agree with you: Just show hard evidence of the claim.  If the evidence backs the claim then we can try and come up with an explanation of the extraordinary.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Marshallin on April 23, 2014, 08:32:44 PM
"Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. Even if you win, you're still retarded"

Give it break, device is maybe fake. But idea behind it may be interesting.

We all know that earth produce a lot of energy. We are just too stupid to know how to use it right  now...

Exciter circuit on picture dont give to me much sense. I realy dont thnik right now that spak gap with some induction and capacity can make much positive diference. But i need to do still some tests with spark gaps generaly.

I dont like how much people using word "resonance" ... it almost look like magic. ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shinz62 on April 23, 2014, 09:32:40 PM
I am only using primary windings at the moment because I still have yet to figure out how to attach a load to the secondary in FEMM.  The secondary would just be open ended and generate a voltage without any current flow. 
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You can simulate a load by putting an apposing current in the secondary, you have to play with the current number until you find the most power/current you can reasonable put through without stopping or reversing the flux going through. In the snapshot below I have tried putting 4.5 amps in the secondary and the simulation shows what that does against a .65 amp push from the primary. with zero amp in the secondary the numbers are still interesting because it will tell you how much voltage you can expect to measure across the coil with no load.


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[/font]The primary I am using for this is 1550 turns of 20awg wire, which is 1/2 the turns of the original 3100.  I set the current at 0.9 amps and raised the frequency of operation to 1kHz to prevent saturating the core.  That is maintaining the flux density under 1.5 Tesla's for the M19 silicon steel laminations.  This type of core is usually only driven to 1.0 T to 1.5 T because the material saturates at around 2 T.  If the core saturates, it would allow large current surges to propagate though the windings and cause bad things to happen.  I set the gap between the stator and rotor at 0.025".



What "bad things" might happen if the core saturates (at any particular frequency)?


The numbers I am interested in are the from the Circuit Properties Results for the Primary:
Voltage Drop
Flux Linkage
Flux/Current
Voltage/Current
Real Power
Reactive Power
Apparent Power
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At the moment I am preparing an animation of the flux density during a full rotation of the armature.


Great! I saw the animation, it is interesting to watch.
May I suggest that you should standardize the color scale for the flux density plot so that it is easier to tell what is actually going on. Otherwise femm will re-scale each frame and that is why you get the flashing color effects. It is also helpful to turn on the magnitude vectors plot "->" (B_re) which will show you north and south and provide additional information as to the strength of the flux.


I'm now wondering how this compares to the actual configuration of SEG since both your model and now mine has a double wide rotor compared to the posted SEG drawing. I would really love to see a scope shot of the WITTS/Trapp prototype QEG output voltage and current under load.




Here is my update, I have slimmed down the main core to 3/4 " and left the rotor at 1 1/2", its original size. It has the .026 diameter gap as described, which is a radius of .013. It has the same number of turns 3100. With the full size core it would look very differently (probably have much less ability to sustain the secondary current) so I don't know if there are any conclusions that can be drawn from this analysis compared to the WITTS prototype QEG.


I have to admit I still don't see how the QEG can work good maybe it doesn't. When you look carefully at the Trapp video you can't really tell if the rotor dimensions are 2:1 like this, or 1:1 like the plans that were posted.


One thing for sure, WITTS/Trapp talks like a Christian free energy evangelist that wants to bring their technology to the world, but acts like every other greedy inventor, because for one thing, they will only "give" out their information and "free licensing to build up to 3 devices" after a required minimum "donation" has been made and they still claim they are not "selling" anything, what a farce.


Here with a simulated load of 4.5 amps at 400hz numbers:
Primary:

Total current = 0.65 Amps
Voltage Drop = 2923.19+I*25197.2 Volts
Flux Linkage = 10.0256-I*1.15361 Webers
Flux/Current = 15.4241-I*1.77478 Henries
Voltage/Current = 4497.21+I*38764.9 Ohms
Real Power = 950.036 Watts
Reactive Power = 8189.08 VAr
Apparent Power = 8244 VA


Secondary:

Total current = 4.5 Amps
Voltage Drop = -316.671-I*1567.72 Volts
Flux Linkage = -0.623777+I*0.126728 Webers
Flux/Current = -0.138617+I*0.0281619 Henries
Voltage/Current = -70.3713-I*348.383 Ohms
Real Power = -712.51 Watts
Reactive Power = -3527.38 VAr
Apparent Power = 3598.62 VA
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 23, 2014, 11:41:41 PM

You can simulate a load by putting an apposing current in the secondary, you have to play with the current number until you find the most power/current you can reasonable put through without stopping or reversing the flux going through. In the snapshot below I have tried putting 4.5 amps in the secondary and the simulation shows what that does against a .65 amp push from the primary. with zero amp in the secondary the numbers are still interesting because it will tell you how much voltage you can expect to measure across the coil with no load.


I'll have to try that.

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What "bad things" might happen if the core saturates (at any particular frequency)?

 

As I mentioned current surges.  When a core goes into saturation the control of the current flow by core inductance is lost, and the transformer then starts acting like an air core transformer with much less inductance.  That loss of inductance mean a loss of current control.  When the current is allow to surge it can over heat the windings and cause insulation failure.  When the insulation fails, the coil shorts out either between turns or to the core.  Over heating can also cause the varnish on the transformer if any to burn etc.

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The numbers I am interested in are the from the Circuit Properties Results for the Primary:

Voltage Drop
Flux Linkage
Flux/Current
Voltage/Current
Real Power
Reactive Power
Apparent Power

Great! I saw the animation, it is interesting to watch.

May I suggest that you should standardize the color scale for the flux density plot so that it is easier to tell what is actually going on. Otherwise femm will re-scale each frame and that is why you get the flashing color effects. It is also helpful to turn on the magnitude vectors plot "->" (B_re) which will show you north and south and provide additional information as to the strength of the flux.


Yeah, I'm already on that.  I am also making finer steps between images.  There will now be 144 separate images per rotation.

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I'm now wondering how this compares to the actual configuration of SEG since both your model and now mine has a double wide rotor compared to the posted SEG drawing. I would really love to see a scope shot of the WITTS/Trapp prototype QEG output voltage and current under load.


Yes.  It's frustrating that Hope Girl is talking too much, and James is talking too little.  There is another video posted yesterday or the day before that provides a few more tidbits from James, although sound, comprehensive stats and scope shots still have yet to be forthcoming.  However In the latest vid James does talk a little about using a scope to tune the QEG.

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Here is my update, I have slimmed down the main core to 3/4 " and left the rotor at 1 1/2", its original size. It has the .026 diameter gap as described, which is a radius of .013. It has the same number of turns 3100. With the full size core it would look very differently (probably have much less ability to sustain the secondary current) so I don't know if there are any conclusions that can be drawn from this analysis compared to the WITTS prototype QEG.

I have to admit I still don't see how the QEG can work good maybe it doesn't. When you look carefully at the Trapp video you can't really tell if the rotor dimensions are 2:1 like this, or 1:1 like the plans that were posted.


As transformers go the general rule of thumb is that the lamination stack height to the center tongue width in standard EI cores, which is what the rotor in this case equates too, can be anywhere from 1:1 to 2:1.  So, there is room for adjustment as needed there.

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One thing for sure, WITTS/Trapp talks like a Christian free energy evangelist that wants to bring their technology to the world, but acts like every other greedy inventor, because for one thing, they will only "give" out their information and "free licensing to build up to 3 devices" after a required minimum "donation" has been made and they still claim they are not "selling" anything, what a farce.

Here with a simulated load of 4.5 amps at 400hz numbers:

Primary:

Total current = 0.65 Amps
Voltage Drop = 2923.19+I*25197.2 Volts
Flux Linkage = 10.0256-I*1.15361 Webers
Flux/Current = 15.4241-I*1.77478 Henries
Voltage/Current = 4497.21+I*38764.9 Ohms
Real Power = 950.036 Watts
Reactive Power = 8189.08 VAr
Apparent Power = 8244 VA

Secondary:

Total current = 4.5 Amps
Voltage Drop = -316.671-I*1567.72 Volts
Flux Linkage = -0.623777+I*0.126728 Webers
Flux/Current = -0.138617+I*0.0281619 Henries
Voltage/Current = -70.3713-I*348.383 Ohms
Real Power = -712.51 Watts
Reactive Power = -3527.38 VAr
Apparent Power = 3598.62 VA


Excellent! 

I'll get some numbers up when I finish the second animation.

Cheers,

FB


PS  The dimensions of the QEG core are probably the WITTS dimensions verbatim.  In the Skype chat video or the audio only video from Morocco, James talks about how the rewinding of the Taiwan core after the primary failure resulted in the surface of one of the rewound primaries with interlayer insulation being too close to the rotor.  By thinning the stator by moving the inside surface of the stator laminations that holds the windings farther to the outside, that problem is alleviated.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on April 24, 2014, 01:39:50 AM
Now, after my rant against NSA and/or energy industrial complex stalkers (actually the two are a team anyway), totally coincedently I just received a PM. After several weeks of no interest, suddently somebody want to buy 150g of my gadolinium (see marketplace section).

The user has just opened an account, has zero postings. Am I paranoid when I smell a dead fish here?

That's how it works. They identify you, put you on a dead list, then you'll lose everything: job, home, friends, and most targets die soon after.

The slave planet, run by the pseudohumans is truely a fashist state.

Regards

.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 24, 2014, 02:00:05 AM
You are a real hoot Dieter.  Can't you imagine the headlines on cnn.com, "Pulse Motor Enthusiast Threatens Military-Industrial Complex."

Meanwhile, back in the real world from Sean with the big Karma:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/278-resonance-question-self-running-video?start=6

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Just to be clear to the so-called ´healthy skeptics´ amongst you
 
 This forum supports those who strongly resonate with the impression that the QEG, and the technology involved,  requires more than just an engineer’s degree and logical mechanical thinking to make her work.
 On the one hand the QEG is indeed a machine, but a totally different kind of machine than the ones we are so familiar with. It is true that she may need a skilled technician to build her, but truly requires a shift in consciousness to understand what makes her ´tick´. And that´s where one´s attitude in this whole process can and will make a difference….
 
 Take for example the "double-slit experiment," where the mere act of ´observation´ can completely change the outcome of an event. There are a number of things so far, involving the measurable part of the QEG, which currently may not make any sense… but then perhaps it needs a different level of sensitivity all together. Your presence, your state of mind, your attitude are believed to be key ingredients in observing the successful creation of this free energy device. This forum supports that belief and vision.
 
 In short: There is no place for skepticism in this forum, you won´t get far trying to court a lady with skepticism, cause truly that is what the QEG is, a Lady with a mind and a will of her own.
 
 So, having said that, I am sure there are those who do not agree with the rules and guidelines of the forum, (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/announcement/id-1) which is fine but I suggest to then find another place to continue your discussions.
 The forum moderators already have spent a lot of time and care in explaining to individuals why certain posts do not resonate with the forum rules, which is respectful but at same time to be honest I think they have better things to do with their time. Therefor please note that the decision to edit or remove a post is up to the moderators and not users, moderation doesn´t need further explanation and their decision is not open for debate.
 
 Thank you

Instead, they should make it a crime to make thoughtcrime a crime.  Think of all the possibilities that would open up like the petals of the Flower of Knowledge ushering in a new age.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: CANGAS on April 24, 2014, 08:26:08 AM
Kudos to Lindemann for that report. It is very important for all "QEG" builders to read and understand what Peter is saying in that report. The "QEG" will NOT work as WhateverGirl and Robitaille claim it will. Never, no way Jose, and Peter and his friends explored the entire problem space long ago. I am not too concerned about the paltry claim of COP = 1.2..... that is sufficiently close to the noise floor as to not be exciting or even worth "replicating" his series of experiments to track down the ultimate error. His error analysis and correct recognition of the great reactive power in the system is much more important.

Here is the very most problematic statement in Lindemann's report:

Translation: We did not get the results we wanted, so why report anything?

It should be clear that this is egregious pseudoscientific misconduct. When you do an experiment and you get NULL RESULTS.... it is just as important to report those, perhaps even more important than your ... perhaps bogus ... "positive" results that appear to support your hypothesis.
Please refer to the Scientific Method: experiments are done with the purpose of _falsifying_ hypotheses. When you FAIL to falsify your hypothesis, MAYBE it is supported by your results. But when you DO falsify your hypothesis.... by producing "experimental results that are disappointing".... then you KNOW that your experiment does not support the hypothesis. For sure. This is VERY IMPORTANT information, and people who do not publish null results are doing a profound disservice to the community of researchers, as well as violating a fundamental principle, a core component, of the Scientific Method.


"It should be clear that this is egregious pseudoscientific misconduct. When you do an experiment and you get NULL RESULTS.... it is just as important to report those, perhaps even more important than your ... perhaps bogus ... "positive" results that appear to support your hypothesis.
Please refer to the Scientific Method: experiments are done with the purpose of _falsifying_ hypotheses. When you FAIL to falsify your hypothesis, MAYBE it is supported by your results. But when you DO falsify your hypothesis.... by producing "experimental results that are disappointing".... then you KNOW that your experiment does not support the hypothesis. For sure. This is VERY IMPORTANT information, and people who do not publish null results are doing a profound disservice to the community of researchers, as well as violating a fundamental principle, a core component, of the Scientific Method."



Amen bro. Tin....Though, if I were to speak up every time I ever failed, my vocal cords would be worn out by now. 


CANGAS 23
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 24, 2014, 10:20:18 AM
Quote from: TinselizedKoalala
"It should be clear that this is egregious pseudoscientific misconduct. When you do an experiment and you get NULL RESULTS.... it is just as important to report those, perhaps even more important than your ... perhaps bogus ... "positive" results that appear to support your hypothesis.
Please refer to the Scientific Method: experiments are done with the purpose of _falsifying_ hypotheses. When you FAIL to falsify your hypothesis, MAYBE it is supported by your results. But when you DO falsify your hypothesis.... by producing "experimental results that are disappointing".... then you KNOW that your experiment does not support the hypothesis. For sure. This is VERY IMPORTANT information, and people who do not publish null results are doing a profound disservice to the community of researchers, as well as violating a fundamental principle, a core component, of the Scientific Method."



Amen bro. Tin....Though, if I were to speak up every time I ever failed, my vocal cords would be worn out by now. 


CANGAS 23

Astute observations.

The love of money is capable of compromising
integrity even in the world of "science."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: IBreal on April 24, 2014, 01:23:20 PM
HopeGirl Shares Her Feelings And Sexual Thoughts About The QEG From Morocco

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thecollectiveimagination/2014/04/21/the-one-people-2122-april-2014/scrub/2838

You can't make this stuff up, download it and confirm for yourself towards end of broadcast, time markers and transcript included below:

1:20:57 We call the QEG a she, she is a being.  She has a personality, she has a way of dictating things, she has a way of pulling people into a group to build her and pushing certain people out because they might have hidden agendas.

1:22:10 I personally feel very very connected to the QEG.  I feel very connected to her, I feel that she wants something. she needs something, she wants the people that are working around her to learn a lesson or to discover something about themselves in the process and as soon as we discover that then we can move forward.

1:22:30 So how does this relate to  s e x?  What we are doing here is creation, our sexuality is our power.

1:23:07 The QEG is creating a desire.  A desire in all of our hearts that are here to bring this parts towards us, to pull these parts in.   

1:23:33 The really difficult parts, they are here (Morocco).  The two main parts that are still missing, that we're trying to get a hold off, is the core which is now waiting for us at customs, which we think we're going to get tomorrow, which is a round shape, a female shape.  And the shaft, which is a long pole, that goes into it.  The QEG is creating a desire in the hearts of all of us here.  And the core is desiring her shaft, and these people are getting on airplanes to bring the shaft and the core together.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on April 25, 2014, 12:17:21 AM
Why does a man make 3000 posts on a overunity forum, when he does not believe in overunity at all?


What can we do against the presence of such specisms?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 25, 2014, 12:42:01 AM
We shall know them by their fruits dieter.

Regards...


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 25, 2014, 01:12:37 AM
Dieter,

There have been many interesting debates and lots of free energy propositions discussed.  Many people have been helped to understand their circuits.  That's what makes the place more interesting.  If it was nothing but mass agreement and mass failure and mass agreement and mass failure without end, that would be pretty boring, don't you think so?  I seem to recall that you put forward a proposition and someone else explained to you why it wouldn't work and instead of trying to defend your proposition with solid technical arguments you had a small emotional meltdown.  That's not a way to find free energy, is it?

Captain Zero,

I am not in any way related to the dreaded Blue Meanies in Black.  You are just going to have to cope with that fact.  The vast majority of the experiments that take place here are just electronics beginners that struggle to get by and they didn't buy the "Basic Electronics for Beginners" book.  If you think that the Blue Meanies have to worry about that you are disconnected from reality.  Then the pros come along (or pros in a new guise like HopeGirl) and they are almost at the same level.  If anything ever comes up that has even the tiniest kernel of credibility I will state that, why wouldn't I?  The problem with you is that there is never ever any technical contribution from you.  You are a passive cheerleader on the sidelines presumably cheering on anything that "sounds" good to your nearly tone deaf ears.

Why didn't HopeGirl and company show a credible video of the alleged one-week over unity run of the QEG?  Why didn't they cook hot dogs and run a disco with all of that alleged free energy?  The most likely answer was to prey on people like you.  I am not here to "protect" you, spend all your money on magic beans if you want.  But I like doing what I think is right, even if that is to your chagrin because you are all excited about the 664th circuit that you have seen that uses coils and transistors.  Perhaps if they change the gage of the wire and add 1/4 extra turn to the coil and hop on one foot they will get free energy out of the coil.  Build it yourself and hop, you never know!

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 25, 2014, 01:52:20 AM
MileHigh,

You keep seeing yourself reflected in my words, which is interesting to note...yet i have accused you on nothing.

You know very well it is the opinion of myself and others here that the path to free energy does not pass through an electronics book...yet you go on as if you haven't read those words here, which is also interesting to note.

And I'm reasonably sure everyone else here sees and recognizes this is the same pattern in their dealings with you.

Thow doeth protest too much.

Now if I had your technical knowledge, if I was interested in free energy development, I would restrict my participation to that of an adviser to all these enthusiastic experimenters who require only the odd tip.

There is no imagination in an electronics book...only rigid structure.

It will be interesting to note how you address or avoid addressing this far too long response in a point by point manner.

Regards...

 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 25, 2014, 01:57:32 AM
...

Now if I had your technical knowledge, ...

Regards...


@Cap-Z
This forum does not require a lot of real technical knowledge. Some try real hard to impress others but the truth is often not the case. Just saying.


cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 25, 2014, 02:06:54 AM

" @Cap-Z
This forum does not require a lot of real technical knowledge. Some try real hard to impress others but the truth is often not the case. Just saying.


cheers
chrisC "



"This forum does not require a lot of real technical knowledge."
That was never my assertion chris.

"Some try real hard to impress others but the truth is often not the case. Just saying."
Not sure how often, but I would agree.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 25, 2014, 02:24:47 AM
Why does a man make 3000 posts on a overunity forum, when he does not believe in overunity at all?


What can we do against the presence of such specisms?
Produce evidence.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 25, 2014, 02:46:11 AM
Produce evidence.

That sounds good to me.  Just do it without the 10,000,000 crash dump analysis monkeys at their keyboards randomly hitting keys in the hope of producing Windows 9 by random chance.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 25, 2014, 02:53:00 AM
Goal scored...1 assist on the play.

And the game played on...

'And the band played waltzing Matilda'
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 25, 2014, 03:22:54 AM
Captain Zero, you are a sub human.  You are a specimen.  You are a pseudohuman.  We need to disinfect this place from sub human pseudospecies like you.

That's a hypothetical example.  That's the real root cause for this discussion if you really want to open your eyes.  Screw your Repartee for Dummies and look at the real issue.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 25, 2014, 03:25:11 AM
No goal on the play...deflection missed .
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 25, 2014, 03:37:06 AM
When is the book burning taking place?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 25, 2014, 05:18:14 AM
Personal attack is the last sign of defeat in any form of debate.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 25, 2014, 10:20:48 AM
You are making too much sense.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mixerville on April 25, 2014, 04:35:28 PM
  Hello Mark.  You state that "Timothy Thrapp has a long history of making false free energy claims.  Anything that he says that is not independently corroborated is worthless." Have you looked on the website to see that he has done this very thing? There are many videos and statements to this effect Here is the link.  http://www.witts.ws/verifications/   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 25, 2014, 06:21:55 PM
Some potentially good and very HOPEFUL news.    I'm guessing everyone knows who Billionaire Richard Branson is?   Virgin Mobile entrepreneur, adventurer, guy who is making space flight available to the public etc. ....   A statement from the QEG forum :
"I will be joining the 70 other engineers from 21 countries at the www.fixtheworldproject.net QEG open build party in Morocco with a co-op member who is bringing about £30k worth of scopes and probes to make sure the resonance we are recreating there is accurately measured.

We are working in tandem with the German QEG team who have achieved resonance to create this self looping system.

 If we can get some good results the Virgin plane, train and spaceship engineers are keen for a build party on Nekker island thanks to Richard B and some of his family keeping an open mind and heart to our results.

 Please see the co-op's QEG project page for updates and more information and links to the relevant blogs / team members"
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 25, 2014, 10:50:21 PM
The Big Fish is on the hook!

There will be much fun and expense at the party.... there will be Resonance and big reactive power measured. But there will not be anything that runs itself with excess power left over!

And in a few months, Sir Richard is going to be laughing it off as another drop in the speculative bucket.


Anyone care to make a wager?


(30k Pound worth of scopes and probes... that translates into one good Tek DPSO scope and a matched current probe.   LOL!)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 26, 2014, 04:48:31 AM
A new and improved animation of the QEG core flux gating is now available:

http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNq
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 26, 2014, 06:00:39 AM
I just have to jump in here for a second, as this is getting "Disturbing".

After really looking at the schematic for a few seconds, and making the "Assumption" that the output is standard, useable power (Not something unusual or undefined so that standard measurements and operation of standard devices would be good.), then I see a small problem.  The spark gap IS in series with the output, with a smallish cap and inductor both in parallel with it.  This gives me great pause.

1.  Lots of noise will be in this output, no matter what, even if the freq range were partly filtered by the torrid.
2.  Putting that much power through a spark gap......  Has anyone heard of this thing called an Arc Welder......
3.  Even assuming that one could bypass most of this power around the gap, through the cap and coil, I don't see where the coil pictured (or spec'd...) would be able to be of low enough inductance to allow that much to pass.  The cap, I don't see that even more so.

What this really means to me is;  either the power at this point is NOT standard power, which would make all current SIMS, etc.  very useless and prevent simple use of that power  OR  someone has a neat idea but no real concept of what it really is.

And just to be clear, for those that haven't spent a lot of time with this stuff, ANY COP > 1, even if, say 1.000000000000001, would also have to be considered infinite COP.  Why, you ask?  Over COP 1 could be looped, meaning NO INPUT Required.  What happens when you divide by zero?  (OK, you all know this, but....)

So, we have some facts, here.   I have NO idea what they are.  I can't imagine anyone giving money or time away on this, but could not complain about playing with it on your own, just for the experience.   Either way, with the lack of data, and no real verification of the REAL ckt or specs, and not having built one, I certainly could not state for certain that it worked or not.  I could only state, right now, that if I build it exactly as shown and wire it exactly according to schematic, there is no possible way that it could operate at COP>1 as long as ONLY conventional EM theory was in use.  This eliminate SIMS for full explanations, if they exist.

If it DID operate over COP=1 THEN there would have to be quite a few additions to quite a few texts.  In reality, no one should be ready to accept that so quickly without some firm proofs.  Will this device be the one to open that can of worms?  I have no idea, but It should be interesting to watch (Read?).

For myself, I would prefer to see the theoretical information explained or demonstrated in a much simpler/cheaper/easier form for the initial "Breakthrough", but then again   What do I know about the blurring between aether concepts and quantum theory..... 

(Even the title.  Both of this thread AND the device.  Is it becoming accepted that quantum theory is describing the aether?  Or is that connection being ignored?  Or is no-one even seeing the large gap between those two?  I may very well be totally wrong, but my first thought upon looking at the overall concept would have to be that this draws in aether energy, rather than utilizing quantum entanglement, if it really worked.)

OK, that's enough of my blabbing about things I know nothing about.  In certain ways, I AM a psudohuman, and as such should have no opinion.

I would be interested if someone could mention a method to get 10-15KW through that exciter Ckt, using Conventional, Real power (Not Reactive, etc.) because without that initial understanding, I would be lost as to what was really coming out of the device.  (I hope I am making sense....)

I have been waiting for someone to come along and talk about this magical QUANTUM exciter.  For it is the only Quantum part of the design.  Real problem is the manual is a fishing lure to conjure funding.  Not meant to be analyzed or replicated.  The completely unrelated Tesla patent was tossed in there for show.  The narrative changed from 60hz 240v 42A output in the manual (even 85A stated) to 400hz 2kv 5A output in the conferences.

A link at the serious multi level marketing perspective of the QEG: At 12:50 to save time http://youtu.be/dRstvWGuABM?t=12m50s
Straight to the business, do not pass go, do not collect 200.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 26, 2014, 11:56:44 AM
A new and improved animation of the QEG core flux gating is now available:

http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNq (http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNq)

I get a "An error occurred during validation.This video does not exist" error. Sorry about that...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 26, 2014, 05:16:13 PM
My bad.  I guess I dropped the last "o" when I copied the link the first time. 

The video is working on YT.  Here's a good link:

http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNqo

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 26, 2014, 05:51:11 PM
My bad.  I guess I dropped the last "o" when I copied the link the first time. 

The video is working on YT.  Here's a good link:

http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNqo (http://youtu.be/fGRFoADcNqo)

Thanks for correcting the link. I put this comment on the video.... I won't be surprised, or offended, if you remove it!

---begin YT comment---

Did you expect to see something different? Don't you have any shaded pole synchronous AC motors in your home?

I think you are doing good work with FEMM. You are showing that the simulated device performs exactly as expected. But of course FEMM and all other simulation programs are based on ordinary standard physics, so they won't be able to show you any "free energy" or "overunity" performance. Remember Ibison's Law!

You can optimize all you like, but you can't make this thing produce output power sufficient to loop back to the drive motor for self-running. There is neither theoretical nor empirical support for that, the QEG people do not now and never have had a unit that does, and the version that Timothy Thrapp showed "running" years ago is a fake.

Whether you know it or not, you are participating in a cynical scam, by giving credence to the FTW "saviours of mankind". In a week, a month, a year from now, there will still be no self-running device from those people. But I encourage you to keep on, just try to stay away from the Dark Side of the Force. Asking for donations? Fine... as long as you aren't making unsupported, and unsupportable, claims, like the QEG people are making in their pleas for money.

--- end YT comment---
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 26, 2014, 06:49:24 PM
Thanks for correcting the link. I put this comment on the video.... I won't be surprised, or offended, if you remove it!

---begin YT comment---

Did you expect to see something different? Don't you have any shaded pole synchronous AC motors in your home?

I think you are doing good work with FEMM. You are showing that the simulated device performs exactly as expected. But of course FEMM and all other simulation programs are based on ordinary standard physics, so they won't be able to show you any "free energy" or "overunity" performance. Remember Ibison's Law!

You can optimize all you like, but you can't make this thing produce output power sufficient to loop back to the drive motor for self-running. There is neither theoretical nor empirical support for that, the QEG people do not now and never have had a unit that does, and the version that Timothy Thrapp showed "running" years ago is a fake.

Whether you know it or not, you are participating in a cynical scam, by giving credence to the FTW "saviours of mankind". In a week, a month, a year from now, there will still be no self-running device from those people. But I encourage you to keep on, just try to stay away from the Dark Side of the Force. Asking for donations? Fine... as long as you aren't making unsupported, and unsupportable, claims, like the QEG people are making in their pleas for money.

--- end YT comment---

Fair enough, although if you read though the comments on my YT channel in general, you'll find that I tolerate differing views, unless they are profane or disrespectful.  You raise valid issues.  However, do you have any idea how long it took to make those animations, the better part of a week for the two of them.  The analyses take time to generate, then the video editing takes more time.  The second video is composed of 72 individual analyses.  If someone wants to tip me a dollar or two to buy myself a beer for the vids, I'll take it.  If some one wants to give me enough money to build one of these things, perhaps my 1/2 scale one.  I'll that too, and publish the results.  This is just the kind of thing I find interesting, and this is the new social paradigm for people to get things done:  Get 10,000 honest folks to give $1, rather than getting 1 greedy investor to loan $10,000. 

I spent 10 years investigating inertial propulsion.  All of the credentialed people I talked with said that it also was all the rage in the 80's, and they eventually found out it fails to work.  I wrote two papers one on centrifugal propulsion and one on gyroscopic propulsion,  because I had math that said they would work.  I wrote those papers just to give to those people and say, "If this fails to work, show me where exactly I went wrong."  Every one I gave the papers to either refused to even read them or lacked the ability to articulate anything other than Newton's second law says it will fail to work, or point out exactly where I went wrong.  Finally, I realized that "Centrifugal Force" is a misnomer, and that misnomer perpetuates the misconception that inertial propulsion will work.

I had made a subtle mistake in my presumptions, specifically that centrifugal force was an actual force, as it's name implies, rather than just an inertial reaction to the application centripetal force.  The math was all correct, integrals and all, although it was all based on that erroneous presumption, and that's where I went wrong, before the math even started.  Now, I can explain why inertial propulsion will fail to propel anything in freespace in precise detail to anyone who is interested.

My conclusion is that the credentialed people I asked really failed to understand why it failed to work, they just accepted the official opinion of the scientific establishment that inertial propulsion fails to work.  So much for presuming PhDs actually understand what they are talking about.

Hence my motivation to look into the QEG.

Cheers,

FB 

BTW  I think you'll like how I edited the description boxes for the vids.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 26, 2014, 07:47:14 PM
Once you get to the Ph.D. level in research, it's pretty much assured that only three or four other people in the world can actually understand what you are talking about.... and conversely, the PhD will only be able to understand fully a very narrow, focussed research paradigm.

Newton's Laws are so firmly embedded in every moving device we have ever made, so it's pretty natural for scientists and especially engineers to dismiss out of hand anything that appears to violate them. So if you want people to pay attention to inertial (or inertialess) propulsion (which I have been doing seriously since 1999) you should put in bold type, right up front, how it does not violate Conservation of Momentum. If you can do that convincingly, then more of the mainstream scientists will take a second look.

If it does violate CofM, you also have an instant Free Energy generator as well as a reactionless propulsion mechanism.


Yes, I do have some idea of the work involved in the sims and the videos. It's a lot of work, and I think that the QEG people should cut you in on their profits!
 ;)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 26, 2014, 08:17:43 PM
I did actually think you had some idea about the sims.  :)

You might find it interesting that I did find an over-unity result in simulation for one device.  That was the the Milkovic Two-Stage Oscillator.  I made a model with a multi-body dynamics simulator called Freecad, and it showed up to 2x the input power being dissipated in a linear damper on the output of the device.  The video of that seems to have disappeared from my YT channel, and I did that work on another computer.  It might take me a while to locate it again.

Link to the MBD simulator:   http://www.askoh.com/


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 26, 2014, 09:11:47 PM
F_Brown,

That was a very nice simulation and I can see that it was a lot of work.

You state:

Quote
Presented is an improved animation of a series of FEMM, Finite Element Method Magnetics, analyses of the flux density in the QEG laminated, silicon steel core with a steady AC signal applied to the primaries of the genator and the secondaries open circuited.  It clearly shows the flux gating in the stator by the rotation of the amature.

It appears that the flux generated by the primaries is subtractive through the toroid itself, and addictive through the rotor.  The primary coils that generate the flux are in the north-east and south-west parts of the toroid.  You should have stated that for your viewers because this type of material will be totally new to some of them.

I am having a hard time seeing the AC component of the flux generation itself.  I see green through bright pink corresponding to low through high flux density, but I don't necessarily see an AC component in the flux generation by the "invisible" coils.  It almost looks like every frame consists of the same DC flux generation from the coils, and the flux intensity is modulated alone by the position of the rotor.

Also, if there is indeed AC flux generation due to AC current through the "invisible" coils you make no comments about the frequency and phase relationship between the flux generation and the rotation of the rotor.

Note that we are often information starved in the realm of free energy.  You did a great job on the animation, but resolving the issues mentioned above would be very helpful.  One of the problems is that when people present their data they forget that the people reading their postings or watching their video clips are not in the "experimenter's bubble."  What the experimenter is doing seems clear and obvious to the experimenter, and they don't realize that the people looking at their presentation are not in their own bubble.  For a details person like me, it drives me nuts.

Take the example of when people do some sort of bench test and they do a YouTube clip and they don't show a schematic.  Sometimes they give you a verbal description of the schematic like they expect you to keep a visualization of the circuit in your head while they run the experiment.  It's ridiculous and nobody can follow and it's a pain for details people.

One last example is where people play with that green magnetic viewing paper.  I have watched dozens and dozens of clips of people using the magnetic viewing paper and I have never seen someone explain what the different shadings in the paper mean.  EMjunkie points to some lines on the magnetic viewing paper and says, "Look, Bloch walls."  I will get into that debate with him next week.

Okay so let me change postings to actually comment on the animation.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 26, 2014, 10:00:04 PM
F_Brown,

I am going to assume that the coils that generate the flux through the toroid have DC current flowing through them for each individual frame in your animation like I state in my previous posting.  The AC component of the flux is caused by the rotor position.  Even if this assumption is wrong, it won't affect my main points in this posting.

What you can see in your clip is that when the rotor approaches the vertical or horizontal position, there is increasing flux flowing through the rotor.  That would correspond to magnetic attraction between the turning rotor and the mating components of the toroid.  So during this phase there is clockwise torque on the rotor from the the flux source in the toroid.

Likewise when the rotor is leaving the horizontal or vertical position, there is decreasing flux flowing through the rotor and that would also cause attraction between the rotor and the toroid.  During this phase there would be counter-clockwise torque on the rotor and that corresponds to magnetic drag on the external drive motor, Lenz law in action.

In the real QEG setup that magnetic drag/Lenz law will correspond to the rotating rotor giving a "kick" to the LC resonator and that kick requires mechanical energy that is supplied by the drive motor - you can't escape Mother Nature.

Your animation clearly shows that the rotating rotor will modulate the flux through the toroid-rotating rotor system.  That will stir up changing flux and changing currents through the coils of the LC resonator and also through the output coils into the load.  The timing relationships at resonance will stabilize and there will be magnetic drag that resists the rotation of the rotor, there is no doubt.

As was stated before, this is a kind of glorified pick-up coil on a pulse motor that is driving a capacitor to form an LC resonator.  You set up the timing so the pulse motor rotates such that the pick-up coil LC resonator is driven at the resonant frequency by the magnets passing the pick-up coil.   You end up with a large amplitude AC voltage/current set of waveforms in the pick-up coil and that represents a kind of matched load and a huge power drain.  When you add a load to the pick-up coil LC resonator you start to draw some power away from the LC resonator and the total power drain decreases and the pulse motor speeds up.

Going back to the QEG, understanding what it does in the real world will require producing a complete timing diagram for it tracking what is happening at resonance for all of the currents and magnetic flux flows, the whole nine yards.  You could wrap sensing coils around the four quadrants of the toroid and measure the voltages and then use those voltage waveforms to derive the magnetic flux flows through each of the four quadrants.   You simply integrate on the voltage waveforms with respect to time to get the flux waveforms.  That information would allow you to derive the flux flow through the rotor itself.  You would have to pick up a sensing tick from the rotating rotor so that you could track the rotor angle on your timing diagram.  And so on and so on....

There is almost no point in doing this because nobody is going to measure over unity from this $5000 paperweight.

Beyond that, I don't get the sense that James M. Robitaille would be capable of doing this level of analysis even if he wanted to.  One could expect that none of the New Age hangers-on could do this and their eyes glazed over after reading the first few sentences of this posting.

This is not going to have a happy ending.  If it's true that there are 200 orders for the toroid and coils with the fancy dielectric potting compound at $3000 USD each, that's $600,000 USD.  Six-hundred thousand dollars!  Considering how easy it will be for all of these burned replicators to find each other, one possibility is a class action lawsuit against the perpetrators of this farce.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 26, 2014, 10:45:16 PM
F_Brown,

I am going to assume that the coils that generate the flux through the toroid have DC current flowing through them for each individual frame in your animation like I state in my previous posting.  The AC component of the flux is caused by the rotor position.  Even if this assumption is wrong, it won't affect my main points in this posting.



The primaries are energized with fixed AC current, 0.9 A @ 1khz.  The armature rotates much slower than that, so the color plotting represents average flux density in the core over time.  This is much different mode of operation than what James is doing.  The animation is is just to illustrate the flux gating behavior in the core and to explore how much current and applied voltage it take to drive the core to optimal maximum flux density levels, which in this case I have set to in the 1.4 to 1.5 Tesla range, in order to keep the core from going into saturation.

Quote

What you can see in your clip is that when the rotor approaches the vertical or horizontal position, there is increasing flux flowing through the rotor.  That would correspond to magnetic attraction between the turning rotor and he mating components of the toroid.  So during this phase there is clockwise torque on the rotor from the the flux source in the toroid.

Likewise when the rotor is leaving the horizontal or vertical position, there is decreasing flux flowing through the rotor and that would also cause attraction between the rotor and the toroid.  During this phase there would be counter-clockwise torque on the rotor and that corresponds to magnetic drag on the external drive motor, Lenz law in action.

In the real QEG setup that magnetic drag/Lenz law will correspond to the rotating rotor giving a "kick" to the LC resonator and that kick requires mechanical energy that is supplied by the drive motor - you can't escape Mother Nature.

   

In this particular device Lenz force effects are really minimal, since the armature lacks any windings.  An armature without windings was one of James fundamental design parameters, so chosen to minimize Lenz force dragging.  As it is there is only a little bit of Lenz force generated in the rotor by eddy currents in rotor laminations.  Those laminations are designed to minimize the formation of eddy currents. 

Quote

Your animation clearly shows that the rotating rotor will modulate the flux through the toroid-rotating rotor system.  That will stir up changing flux and changing currents through the coils of the LC resonator and also through the output coils into the load.  The timing relationships at resonance will stabilize and there will be magnetic drag that resists the rotation of the rotor, there is no doubt.

   

I imagine there will be significant cogging as the device goes into resonance.  This is probably what causes the change in the sound of the QEG as it starts to light up the light bulbs in the video.  That effect of that cogging could be minimized with the use of a flywheel, and or with multiple QEGs on a single shaft arranged in a staggered configuration.

Quote

As was stated before, this is a kind of glorified pick-up coil on a pulse motor that is driving a capacitor to form an LC resonator.  You set up the timing so the pulse motor rotates such that the pick-up coil LC resonator is driven at the resonant frequency by the magnets passing the pick-up coil.   You end up with a large amplitude AC voltage/current set of waveforms in the pick-up coil and that represents a kind of matched load and a huge power drain.  When you add a load to the pick-up coil LC resonator you start to draw some power away from the LC resonator and the total power drain decreases and the pulse motor speeds up.

Going back to the QEG, understanding what it does in the real world will require producing a complete timing diagram for it tracking what is happening at resonance for all of the currents and magnetic flux flows, the whole nine yards.  You could wrap sensing coils around the four quadrants of the toroid and measure the voltages and then use those voltage waveforms to derive the magnetic flux flows through each of the four quadrants.   You simply integrate on the voltage waveforms with respect to time to get the flux waveforms.  That information would allow you to derive the flux flow through the rotor itself.  You would have to pick up a sensing tick from the rotating rotor so that you could track the rotor angle on your timing diagram.  And so on and so on....

   

Yep.

Quote

There is almost no point in doing this because nobody is going to measure over unity from this $5000 paperweight.

Beyond that, I don't get the sense that James M. Robitaille would be capable of doing this level of analysis even if he wanted to.  One could expect that none of the New Age hangers-on could do this and their eyes glazed over after reading the first few sentences of this posting.

   

I've been wondering about that too.  Supposedly he's a non-degreed motor lamination designer.  Most likely he was educated by the company or companies for which he worked.  Educated that is to use the companies preferred motor core design software to create cores according to customers requested performance specs.  As you mentioned from the comments he has made in his videos and his failure to provide more sophisticated information, I'm also tending to doubt he's ever designed a motor from scratch using just theory and general purpose computational electro-magnetics tools such as FEMM.   

Quote

This is not going to have a happy ending.  If it's true that there are 200 orders for the toroid and coils with the fancy dielectric potting compound at $3000 USD each, that's $600,000 USD.  Six-hundred thousand dollars!  Considering how easy it will be for all of these burned replicators to find each other, one possibility is a class action lawsuit against the perpetrators of this farce.

MileHigh

Probably so as so many devices have had before.  Even if it fails as an over-unity generator is still functions as an under-unity generator.  So, in either case the final product could do more than just hold down papers, and I'd still enjoy building and testing one.

BTW   I re-edited the description boxes for the videos.  Could you recheck them and see if I left out anything you mentioned.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 26, 2014, 11:09:38 PM
F_Brown,

Thanks for your comments.  The thing that comes to my mind front and center is the power cost in sustaining the resonant mode.  When Conradelectro did his own "pick-up coil in resonance" experiments we finally had all of the data, the wire resistance, the RMS voltage and RMS current measurements, the inductance and capacitance values, etc.  We were finally in a position to measure the amount of power dissipated in the pick-up coil LC resonator system.   Note the pick-up coil LC resonator was not doing anything useful, it was just "sitting there" burning off power and causing Lenz drag on the pulse motor.

With the QEG in resonance, and not driving a load (similar to the pulse motor setup) with the extremely high voltages and corresponding currents, I wonder what the power cost will be to just have the QEG "sitting there" in resonance and not driving a load.   Then they can connect a load and make the same measurements again and see how much power is being dissipated in the load and in the LC resonator.  If some of the replicators do have the experience and skill set to do this, I think we may see a lot of raised eyebrows!

I really hope that a lot or official QEG "be-do" forum readers and contributors are "secretly" reading this thread!  lol

MileHigh

P.S.:  I read your updated comments on your YouTube video and they look great.  (Minor typo in the last paragraph - it happens to me all the time!  lol)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 26, 2014, 11:21:21 PM
I did actually think you had some idea about the sims.  :)

You might find it interesting that I did find an over-unity result in simulation for one device.  That was the the Milkovic Two-Stage Oscillator.  I made a model with a multi-body dynamics simulator called Freecad, and it showed up to 2x the input power being dissipated in a linear damper on the output of the device.  The video of that seems to have disappeared from my YT channel, and I did that work on another computer.  It might take me a while to locate it again.

Link to the MBD simulator:   http://www.askoh.com/ (http://www.askoh.com/)

Heh... and I've made several "working" gravity and spring-powered wheels in Algodoo/Phun! Also perpetual chaotic pendulums, which are pretty neat when you also use the function that makes a trace of the motion. Of course these are all done with zero air resistance and zero-friction bearings, and so forth.

Applying Ibison's Law, we conclude that the sims are incorrectly rounding or approximating somewhere, or even making more severe errors.

 :D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 26, 2014, 11:33:30 PM
Miles,

FEMM is quite sophisticated.  It's actually able to calculate the Lenz forces generated by the eddy currents in the M19 and other laminated core materials.  That is. just as soon as I figure out how to ask it to do that...


TinselKoala,

I had trouble getting Phun to run under Linux.  Eventually, I found FreeCAD from Professor Koh.  It's actually pretty neat.  I do still have a video of a Milkovic dual pendulum oscillating in freespace.  That was one of the things that helped me get over the inertial propulsion idea.

http://youtu.be/luH3ab5YjrU

The device was constrained in one plane.  Now that I have a faster computer I might be able to make a better video.

And just for giggles:

http://youtu.be/GUWzPTaa8i0

Ha, I also have some math that says a gravity motor is possible.  It takes a ton of revolving mass to generator 20kW.  I still have yet to figure out how to implement the math in a practical device though...  :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 26, 2014, 11:46:51 PM
Did you ever wonder where the "400 Hz" came from? Why in the world... or at least in countries where the line frequency is 60 Hz not 50 Hz... would any designer select 400 Hz?

Should we go back to WWII and re-study the Dynamotor Power Supply used to make DC from battery/generators into HV AC at 400 Hz for aircraft and marine applications? 400 Hz is used in these applications, of course, because the transformers and other components can be lighter in weight than 50-60 Hz transformers. And... there are many many AC powered instruments of that vintage that are designed to work on 400 Hz as well as on 50-60 Hz.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 26, 2014, 11:49:52 PM
@F_Brown: I use Ubuntu Linux, and algodoo/phun works fine for me.... ??

And of course, power is not energy. 20 kW from a ton of mass? No problem. Keep that output level going for longer than it takes the mass to fall down to the lowest point of its motion... then we can start the party!




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 26, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
Yeah, I know about aviation 400 Hz.  The shuttles had four 90 amp 28V 400Hz power circuits.

Who knows why James chose it?  He just said it had to do with mechanical resonance in the transformer lams... 

It's impossible for me to say anything about it without some hands on time.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 27, 2014, 12:59:04 AM
So the idea is to get everything vibrating mechanically as much as possible? Well, that certainly is "out of the box" thinking.


(Out of the CrackerJack box, maybe?)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 27, 2014, 02:20:03 AM
I figure, if transformer laminations had any kind of piezo-electric or acoustic-electric effect it would be well known by now.

I estimate the DC resistance for each half of the primary winding to be 42 Ohms, that would be 84 ohms for the whole primary.  I figured the mean path length of 16" for each turn, multiplied by 3100 turns, added 48" for leads, divided by 12 to get feet, then multiplied by 0.01015 ohms per foot for 20awg wire to get 42 ohms for each half of the primary winding. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 27, 2014, 03:03:43 AM
I figure, if transformer laminations had any kind of piezo-electric or acoustic-electric effect it would be well known my now.
Lamination stacks and to a greater extent the windings around them exhibit  magnetostrictive effects.  Manufacturers of quality line frequency magnetics adequately vacuum impregnate the finished magnetics with epoxy.  Manufacturers of junk like Hampton Bay ceiling fans from Home Depot save a few pennies by dispensing with good practices and as a result their products exhibit annoying line frequency hum.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tysb3 on April 27, 2014, 04:16:25 AM
resonance of steel creates electricity1 wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 27, 2014, 05:35:05 AM
MarkE,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostriction

I suppose this qualifies as well known, although I have yet to read anything that associates magnostriction with anomalous energy production in transformers.  If James means magnostriction when he says "piezo effect" why avoid just using the proper term?  Also the Taiwan crowd is going to have their next core dipped in epoxy potting material to increase the insulation value of the primary.  Maybe that will cancel out any existing "piezo effect"...


tysb3,

I want to see that guy repeat his experiment by tapping on the transformer with non-magnetic material.  He could have magnetized that piece of metal he is using, or it might just have residual magnetism in it, and so the signal shown on the scope could be from that magnetism interacting with the transformer core.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 27, 2014, 05:46:49 AM
resonance of steel creates electricity1 wmv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc)



Once again, this calls for my semi regular posted quote from Ed Leedskalnin:

" I made a lot more electricity with steel than I ever made with copper ".

And I believe this one came from Ed also:

" Ring the bell ".


Regards...

 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tysb3 on April 27, 2014, 06:53:09 AM
I consider to do little experiment with MOT and piezo elements
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 27, 2014, 06:54:06 AM
Well, there does seem to be a couple of related phenomenon that might have possibilities:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piezomagnetism which is a first order effect, and I suppose this is from where James got the "Piezo" term he's been using.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostriction which is a second order effect. and it's counterpart

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse_magnetostrictive_effect

If the magnetic domains are interacting with the zero point energy field as they are electrically, magnetically, and physically oscillated in a state of resonance that could be a potential doorway for the inflow of anomalous energy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on April 27, 2014, 11:11:34 AM
Is it possible that there is a skin affect taking place once the voltage is high enough?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 27, 2014, 01:07:25 PM
I don't know if it do the same thing with an alternator but with a DC motor when you have a certain totale electrical resistance of the circuit (not too high) you can turn the motor as easy than if you where turning it with no load (with fingers of course), I don't know too if it is the same resistance for differents motors or different speed of the same motor but it is very intersting.

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Mh, no, after mature reflections I do not think this is too interesting
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 27, 2014, 04:46:02 PM
That's the Lenz forces in action, and in the case of the QEG it lacks direct correlation because the DC motor has windings on it's armature that create the bulk of those Lenz forces, while the QEG lacks winding on it's armature and so lacks the same magnitude of Lenz force generation in it armature, only a relatively small amount of Lenz forces are generated in the QEG's rotor by the eddy currents in the rotor laminations in comparision.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 27, 2014, 09:34:50 PM
Here is the text from an email sent to me today...this may be of interest some or many.


"  Many have played with crystals and caused the fields to expand using their own minds and hearts, not calling this a Quantum experience, but that is only vocabulary.
 
 
What the psi community can offer in this, is the comprehension, that over a "vibrational link" such as the one we use to slide into our physical bodies, or a quartz crystal, there is a 2 way access flow.
 
If a person scans me, and I become aware, I can use their link to scan them back. A vibration link is 2 way. Psi links operate between platonic form vibration centers. The outer boundary of the universe is such a vibration center, and the core of every atom is another.
 
 
There is then an extension, where I can learn to scan anything, even a rock, from it's center of gravity, I can then access information. This process can keep moving either larger or smaller through the universe, because it is universal.
 
Years of meditation, discovery of the outer boundary, as well as the atomic levels, and the way coherent fields actually work.
 
We are all familiar with a coherent magnetic field, and how the irons atoms will collectively align in co operation to generate a magnetic field larger then the magnet that can then attract iron inwards to it at some distance through space.
 
This is only one type of field coherence.
 
The electric field can traverse copper medium at c velocity and will surround a piece of copper to some distance outwards, as a coherent electron field [electric].
 
 
The field being missed by all these people who are failing to produce OU, is the tempic field, which they are not yet aware of, and was discovered in the 50s by Wilbert Smith. Lindeman, has never succeeded at this type of field coherence, as Joe of Joe Cell has. A self organizing field, with rings or layering, mirroring an atom.
 
 
He can make statements like "it is impossible" but these statements only apply to him and reflect where he is at in the conscious levels of comprehension.
 
What issues forth from the mouth reflects where we are at, it has no bearing on the real world or where others are at.
 
 
The earth continues to move about the sun, without Lindeman's help.
Just because he cannot understand how that works, does not make his negativity true, that it is "impossible" to understand.
 
"People worship", others knowledge, placing responsibility of defining my truth by their expertise, and this is one of the things we need to get past. I do not care what Lindeman states, I seek only the truth for myself.
 
Lindeman states it is a "fraud" because he already checked it out and it did not work for him! OK. How is that a failure? That is a tidbit of knowledge with reference to him, and coming from him, so it "his truth."
 
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I have continued to explain the path to accessing the quantum levels to seek power from Source. Sensitivity is necessary and we are spreading the techniques to achieve that sensitivity. Resonant rods, feeling vibration, and learning to scan the center of mass of an object, as Arno does with rocks. Joe Cell work, vibration tubes, using calipers .....etc.. This is the bottom of the chain of interactive learning from nature as it actually operates.
 
Healing the body.....
 
This is Quantum access, using a different vocabulary.
 
The fields are intelligent, and conscious. And when you see a group working with that aspect of the fields, where they have realized the quantum energy is intelligent, then that is where truth will be discovered for them.
 
 
There is no way to get there without the Spiritual opening, and the two types of truth become one.
 
 
Bismuth coils with opposing magnetic fields, scalar cancelling, produce psi vibration. This energy works at the pineal area of the brain to sensitize the spherical awareness sense. It is very simple to study and profound to experience.
 
 
 
 
The light rods expose the smaller distance resonances of the atomic layers and bring them up to our level of dimension for study.
 
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Spiritual awareness is perception from the outer boundary of the universe looking inwards to see all things as one. We already exist there!
 
Science awareness, is perception from the small body of the individual that looks out into the same universe and sees only separation of all things. It cannot locate Source energy of the universe from this perception, but can work backwards with assistance from the Spirit perception.
 
This is the construct of the universe!
We are already connected on both ends of it.
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Comprehension in this, by having both awareness's turned on simultaneously, cannot be achieved from Lindeman's perception level. [He does not see where Source energy of the universe comes from.]
 
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QED physics is the closest dead end, to awakening a scientist, but it cannot end there, it must then become experimental, in that one realizes they are "inside the universe" and a part of it, then also exist on its outer boundary and can look in to see all things as one...
 
When you create a vibrational bubble the first time, your body will likely be inside it also.
 
When you discover your own auric field, you wake up inside them.
 
The awareness is larger then the physical body, information can be obtained scientifically from outside the body. My whole path is there in the recorded documents, following Wilbert Smiths example and what I personally found to be true from what he states plainly.
 
There was no place in my progression where I had to use any faith at all. As a matter of fact I had to reject all past faith and only see reality at each step as my truth in the moment. So few Spiritual journeys are recorded in this way, and it take considerable effort to function in Za Zen to allow the recording of a Spiritual journey or a "slide" as it is happening.
 
Do not place the responsibility for success of OU energy on others. It is a reflection of our development as a species to master a thing "personally."
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If I can get OU energy to work on my bench with an autotransformer, a lamp dimmer, a 100 watt light bulb, and a diode bridge, I know others will also if they continue to seek it's solution.
 
I do not believe it can be accomplished by anyone who is unaware of the vibrational paths function in the atomic fields... the nuclear strong force. All the clues are there in the science, and I could go through each one again if it is desired to show the energy levels in the atom are self sustaining, and self correcting, based on what we already know. Science has already shown the location where gravity is a conversion of mass!
 
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[I fail to see how anyone seeking can miss this stuff, if they are willing to just catch up with current science.
Lindeman obviously has no QED understanding. And this is electrical energy at the smallest level humans have studied it, with empirical proofs at each step.]
 
 
Can you answer the following questions?
 
Where is the place in creation where Gravity originates, and has already been recorded by our science?
 
Where is the "location" we have observed mass conversion to energy in our science and in nature?
 
Does it follow Einstein's formula E = MC^2?
 
QED in a physics department of any large college has these answers, and Lindeman is blind to this knowledge. His statements reveal he has no comprehension of what science has already observed, let alone take it any further.
 
The next step, from where QED leaves off, includes, psi phenomena. There is no way past this hurdle.
 
You cannot open the "saucer phenomena" without opening the psi box. Free energy is the side effect of understanding at this level of quantum phenomena, where you are interactive consciously with the devices energy field.
 
That is where our current science is stuck. Wilbert Smith is the next leap after you have comprehension of current sciences "ending point".
 
Wilbert Smith gave us the path for experimental progression, showing exactly how to unite the conscious science with the physical science.
 
Go back to square one, as a seeker of truth, and then learn the correct structure of the universe beginning at the point of "nothing at all." Realize consciousness is step one......the rest is organized in pattern of structure, and without the understanding of consciousness roll in the first paragraphs, none of the rest will be graspable as important.
 
http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci.htm (http://www.rexresearch.com/smith/newsci.htm)
 
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I will offer an example of one thing easily verifiable being totally ignored by these seekers working only from the physical level, and ignoring their crystals.
 
1 - fission gives off incredible energy
2 - fusion gives off incredible energy
 
How is it possible to take elements from the periodic table and get energy out by taking them apart, and still get energy out by putting them back together?  Shifting them along the table of elements converting them into other elements, moving either direction, always creates energy out.
 
 
What is more eye opening is when you look at the actual numbers for each process, and realize this is creation of energy as matter is assembled, created, transmuted, or destroyed.
 
How is it a college student cannot see this when it is taught them in its smaller pieces?
It is because they do not see the whole picture at once or ever consider all the experiments simultaneously.
 
 
How is it the strong force of the atom, converts mass into energy, when the atom is assembled? An energy bubble that is self organizing and self recovering? When assembled from its parts looses weight and also increases in energy, the bubble effect that self organizes. Creating a force field that is 137 times stronger then EM to hold itself together as one atom.
 
 
Anyone seeking these answers can now find them. To "comprehend" the knowledge is however something which cannot be taught.
 
Wilbert stated, the Aliens explained, we cannot teach you, will can only assist your learning. You must go through the learning process "alone" as a seeker of "comprehension" at each step for yourself. Then nothing will be able to shake you up, as all you know is based in truth.
 
This is an honest path with self and the universe, and no other presence necessary.
After you do the work for yourself, the answers are more obvious.
 
As with Spirituality, you can not advance on the shirt tail of some expert. You have to put in the personal effort and become the seeker.
 
It is not a surprise to me that Spiritual people will be the first to show this to the world.
 
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Wilbert Smith gave us the method, but as to him, he never truly realized it for himself. He opened a door and proved to himself, it is possible. This was the 50s tech that created craft which eventually worked and was accomplished by Carr a decade later, using the same "conscious techniques" to explore the universe as it works for himself.
 
You can not get there, without addressing the nature of atoms, solar systems, consciousness, and Source power of the universe, for yourself.
 
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Because so much "self education" is necessary, I had pretty much given up attempts to pass it on to others, as I have experienced it for myself. I am not bold enough to present a quantum bubble generator to the world, knowing only a very few out there may be successful at this time in getting it to work.
 
It is a very personal thing to tune into a light rod the size of 44" using a pin to access the points of the GL wavelength, and begin to converse with the GL fractal intelligently at a quantum level. The mass of a 5/8 to 3/4" rod is plenty to have this experience for yourself. Ask Howard, he actually did it too.
 
What is not obvious from the document is that I was on a "path" of which this was only one of the steps along it necessary. This is the part they have not yet accomplished to comprehension of how the universe operates physically.
 
There is no release of energy obvious in the operation of the atomic level, to being at the dimension we occupy in size, other then "us." But we can learn to "see" the motion and the fields operating to sustain matter.
 
 
When I realized this for myself I attempted to share the path with others, but only the "healers" and chi masters  could even understand it. That is because they possess something science has not fostered, personal connection with the experiments. A psi connection. Teach the student, in true learning there is only the person and the universe, and this connection does not involve anyone else. Within it there is everything that is.
 
This is the same level where a person in Karate actually begins to advance radically. They get their "black belt" and start teaching themselves, dropping the teacher as the force that motivates them. All things that slow down their punch will be discovered to be inside them, and that is where they are altered.
 
 
Ultimately it led me to being able to open a Quantum portal approximately 9 feet in diameter that self powered a light bulb. The experience was very personal and very amazing. Then I stopped for a long time, and in a state of awe pondering how it could ever be taught to another human, as a science.
 
I sought a dumb way to do it, so the conscious element could be avoided.
I have not succeeded in that progression, and from all we have observed I no longer believe it could be possible.
 
The Hendershot device, stopped working when he died. None have worked since. The list goes on and on, repeating the same information over and over. Keeley .......etc.
 
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How can an arc be used to access the quantum levels "accurately?"
 
The person doing the accessing, must aim the device to the correct level of connection "consciously." Same as bringing up the field around a quartz crystal.
 
Or the device must be conscious at the level of operation the energy will be released on, set up already by someone else with this ability.
 
Arcs put out a spread spectrum of energy points, and when infinite fractals are used in mixing multiple frequencies it is possible to cross the wavelengths of atomic level, and have the tempic field form a field coherence you can access consciously. Joe Cell work has been teaching this for a long time with water and electrical "taps" on the cells tubes, which is really all you need to master to cause the water to go sparkling clean.
 
 
The coherent field a meditator can generate around a crystal, by connecting with it and then; having the crystal amplify it, is the same as the strong force bubble inside every atom. They all respond to our consciousness.
We can pull them up to our dimension of size because this is where we are conscious and there are infinite fractals possible.
 
 
We must be the conduit to open the devices portal access, after which it can maintain itself as a new CU bubble or self sustaining life form.
 
This last line is where Lindeman fails to have success on every attempt. While an expert with current EM technology, he lacks the comprehension of the Quantum access process from direct experience. He never mentions the tempic field or consciousness at all.
 
I stopped trying to do it after I succeeded, then I came back to the physical and began pondering how to get others to that point, that I not be a target, alone in this advance. It works. "


Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 27, 2014, 09:59:20 PM
Cap-Z-ro,

The thoughts expressed in the email are quite
interesting.

The source of this "free energy" remains a
great mystery and clearly is not what/where
most experimenters believe it to be.  Not
all are able to summon it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: IBreal on April 27, 2014, 11:00:26 PM
HopeGirl Shares Her Feelings And Sexual Thoughts About The QEG From Morocco

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/thecollectiveimagination/2014/04/21/the-one-people-2122-april-2014/scrub/2838

You can't make this stuff up, download it and confirm for yourself towards end of broadcast, time markers and transcript included below:

1:20:57 We call the QEG a she, she is a being.  She has a personality, she has a way of dictating things, she has a way of pulling people into a group to build her and pushing certain people out because they might have hidden agendas.

1:22:10 I personally feel very very connected to the QEG.  I feel very connected to her, I feel that she wants something. she needs something, she wants the people that are working around her to learn a lesson or to discover something about themselves in the process and as soon as we discover that then we can move forward.

1:22:30 So how does this relate to  s e x?  What we are doing here is creation, our sexuality is our power.

1:23:07 The QEG is creating a desire.  A desire in all of our hearts that are here to bring this parts towards us, to pull these parts in.   

1:23:33 The really difficult parts, they are here (Morocco).  The two main parts that are still missing, that we're trying to get a hold off, is the core which is now waiting for us at customs, which we think we're going to get tomorrow, which is a round shape, a female shape.  And the shaft, which is a long pole, that goes into it.  The QEG is creating a desire in the hearts of all of us here.  And the core is desiring her shaft, and these people are getting on airplanes to bring the shaft and the core together.

I posted the above 3 days ago but it didn't get approved until today and was inserted way back in this thread.  So I'm posting this reference to it, they are more extreme comments from HopeGirl about the faith based 'touchy feely' direction being taken by Fix The World and being practiced by the moderators at the QEG forum.  It potentially sets up a ready excuse: We can't get the QEG to work because the world is not ready for it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on April 28, 2014, 01:37:45 AM
The QED Saga continues in Marrocco now.

Here is the latest circuit diagramm:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=641629269244552&set=pb.612141065526706.-2207520000.1398639803.&type=3&permPage=1

Here is a Facebook group where they posted the new build pictures:

https://www.facebook.com/OPCAouchtam

And here are the newest videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsFAF1_8B5cZ7YhpcjFFNfA/videos


Especially this video is hillarious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TbAr-gC9D4

where Fakegirl and her mother cry and shout at the end of the video,
although there is no selflooping going on... just lighting 2 bulbs with no measurements given....

The donation scam continues...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 28, 2014, 05:38:44 AM
Concerning the schematic, I would put smoothing caps and maybe chokes after the rectifiers before the motor and after the rectifiers before the looping circuitry to help obtaining steady results to measure input power verses output power.

Closing the loop would be optional, if they would just show more out then in open loop with sound measuring methods.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on April 28, 2014, 07:22:29 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10202839216796293
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 28, 2014, 07:29:22 AM
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10202839216796293
It looks like a bad joke.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on April 28, 2014, 08:08:01 AM
I know! Surely they do not intend on sending this thing around the world, and putting it together just to light up a few bulbs.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 28, 2014, 08:34:16 AM
The QED Saga continues in Marrocco now.

Here is the latest circuit diagramm:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=641629269244552&set=pb.612141065526706.-2207520000.1398639803.&type=3&permPage=1

Here is a Facebook group where they posted the new build pictures:

https://www.facebook.com/OPCAouchtam

And here are the newest videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsFAF1_8B5cZ7YhpcjFFNfA/videos


Especially this video is hillarious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TbAr-gC9D4

where Fakegirl and her mother cry and shout at the end of the video,
although there is no selflooping going on... just lighting 2 bulbs with no measurements given....

The donation scam continues...

And it will keep going.  Look how long Ke$he is keeping his going.  I am still waiting for just one of countless Americans to be approached by the QEG group to build a unit.  Not your average jane or joe but any of the long since well known experimenters that have put great effort into alternative energy.  People with wonderful building and engineering skills.  People, hint hint, capable of measuring power, power factor, power phase, people who could provide an efficiency number other than the word RESONANCE.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on April 28, 2014, 09:28:13 AM
And check out all 4 of these. Talking about the cart before the horse!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6jI_bvKwrI
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on April 28, 2014, 02:44:31 PM
Cap-Z-ro,

The thoughts expressed in the email are quite
interesting.

The source of this "free energy" remains a
great mystery and clearly is not what/where
most experimenters believe it to be.  Not
all are able to summon it.



When he mentioned that the Hendershot device hasn't worked since his death, it reminded me of Daniel Pomerlou, who can seemingly create free energy through intent.

Clearly part of the picture is missing.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 28, 2014, 05:18:58 PM
I made one of the related patent scans better though intent.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 28, 2014, 05:21:57 PM
And check out all 4 of these. Talking about the cart before the horse!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6jI_bvKwrI

Core values you will hear many times.  Basic multilevel marketing 101.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 28, 2014, 05:58:47 PM


Once again, this calls for my semi regular posted quote from Ed Leedskalnin:

" I made a lot more electricity with steel than I ever made with copper ".

And I believe this one came from Ed also:

" Ring the bell ".


Regards...

So did "Sweet Sixteen"......
Quote
Now, I am going to tell you what I mean when I say "Ed's Sweet Sixteen". I don't mean a sixteen year old girl, I mean a brand new one. If it had meant a sixteen year old girl, it would have meant at the same time, that I made money for the sweet sixteen while she was making love with a fresh boy.

 :-\ ??? :-[

http://www.leedskalnin.com/Leedskalnins-Writings-A-Book-In-Every-Home.html

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 28, 2014, 06:00:52 PM
And it will keep going.  Look how long Ke$he is keeping his going.  I am still waiting for just one of countless Americans to be approached by the QEG group to build a unit.  Not your average jane or joe but any of the long since well known experimenters that have put great effort into alternative energy.  People with wonderful building and engineering skills.  People, hint hint, capable of measuring power, power factor, power phase, people who could provide an efficiency number other than the word RESONANCE.

That is the very _last_ thing that the QEG people will want or permit. And you and I both know why that is.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 28, 2014, 06:05:31 PM
Is it possible that there is a skin affect taking place once the voltage is high enough?

The only "skin effect" you will see from these people is "skinning" the fish: removing "skins" (paper currency) from the fish and transferring it into Robitaille and WhateverGirl's vacation fund.

QEG "information" is chum, people. Don't be a fish.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 28, 2014, 06:08:04 PM
It looks like a bad joke.

More like a shaggy dog story. Even bad jokes have punchlines. The QEG story winds up going nowhere, and leaving behind a whole bunch of very expensive doorstops.

The good news is.... they make great doorstops! "Have you seen my new doorstop? It's _resonant_."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on April 28, 2014, 11:04:33 PM

What I would do is take a spare QEG generator core as a temp. step down transformer 7:1 to step-down between the field
coils to the main coils. 120VAC / 7 = 17.1VAC. Use a bridge rectifier to rectify that signal and put some DC Electrolytic filter
capacitors on it. Now feed resultant 20VDC or whatever into a 12VDC->24VDC inverter 120VAC output hopefully 2KW max
hopefully sine-wave inverter Then plug the variac from the motor and a 1000Watt room heater load into the inverter. No
waste stabilization incandescent lamps. Plug variac and heater through two x Kilawatt Meters.

Show us the numbers from two Kilawatt meters the demonstrate current overunity energy production levels.

Then let control experts develop a controller for your resonant generator for you to stabilize it.

:S:MarkSCoffman

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on April 29, 2014, 01:35:03 AM
Resonance may not be absolutely essential.

Zimmerman's generator has uncanny similarities
and is capable of operating with permanent
magnets.

Magnetic Field Reversals at the Output Coils
are easily accomplished.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2014, 02:42:44 AM
At this point I'm pretty convinced that when they see resonance they believe that a lot of excess power can be extracted from the system.  The problem has been explained many times now, the very high voltages and currents just represent stored reactive energy, i.e.; the storage of a fixed and relatively small amount of energy in an LC resonator.  To sustain the resonance, the power bleed off is balanced by the power addition, and that's even before you try to connect a load.  The clue that they (possibly) have no idea what they are doing is in the "surprise" that the coils are causing a dielectric breakdown and they have to use some fancy vacuum potting procedure.  That's because nobody would normally operate output coils like this, you are literally defeating the purpose of the output coils if you operate  them at their self-resonant frequency.  You actually want to stay away from the self-resonant frequency so they operate properly and produce output power (provided by some _other_ power source, like a magnet passing a coil and experiencing Lenz drag if and only if the coil is driving a load.)

So the whole thing is just a fake-out due to ignorance and/or stupidity and/or to con people out of money.

There isn't much more to say as far as I am concerned, but it will be fascinating to see how this one plays out because there is a lot of money on the table, and a lot of it is "new money" from New Agers and the like that are not used to seeing this thing happening.

And I know that there are many OU forum regulars that won't believe me and refuse to even acknowledge this explanation for what's happening.  They steadfastly believe in some sort of "magic" associated with resonance or they believe that this setup is truly a portal to "quantum energy" directly or indirectly due to the resonance.

Just watch the story play itself out.  Since the QEG team clearly doesn't understand what electrical resonance actually is and what it means (or that's what they are pretending), it's going to be a bumpy ride.

MileHigh

P.S.:  The notion that you have to believe that it's going to work to make it work is hogwash.  The poor African mother waiting for a QEG to power her water pump so she doesn't have to walk 10 kilometers to get potable water doesn't care about that New Age nonsense.  She just wants the pump to pump water and the power source to provide power to the pump, period.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2014, 02:51:24 AM
How do you get to Carnegie Hall and Nirvana?

Measurements, measurements, measurements.



People like HopeGirl, James M Robitaille, Wayne Travis, James Kwok, John Bedini, Peter Lindemann, the Mighty but Tiny engine guy, and a long host of aspiring free energy performers need to get this into their heads.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 29, 2014, 03:17:20 AM
I've made some progress in understanding how the QEG works by creating a SPICE model that simulates the parametric excitation and resonance.   Here some images from my simulation. 

It's interesting to note that this is only for one half of the QEG primary.  Both halves combined would double the output calculated here.

I also have realized what the exciter coils do.  They inject noise into the system to give the parametric pumping more to work with.  Although I wonder if that actually adds anything since so much current is already resonating in the tank circuit by then.

For me, there is only one question left...

How much input power does it take to do this?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: IBreal on April 29, 2014, 04:45:03 AM
A few days ago I was banned from the QEG Forum when my first post, which is quoted below, was submitted to the moderator for approval.  They must keep track of the computer it came from because another member of the same household which was a QEG Forum member and had received thanks from other members was also banned at the same time.  Since my reasonable post was blocked and got me banned I decided I would publicly post it here so that others who are objectively doing their QEG due diligence are aware that the QEG Forum moderators are not being objective and are NOT following their own QEG Forum Rules & Guidelines by blocking this type of post.

QEG Forum moderators banned me for attempting to start a new QEG Construction thread and post the following:

Quote
New Thread Title: Reasonable Questions/Concerns About QEG Claims and Operation

REQUIREMENT quoted directly from the QEG User Manual 3/25/14:
"The QEG is an electromechanical device and as such, safety for the individual and end user should always be of prime concern.  It is therefore essential that persons assembling the device are experienced in the field of electro-mechanical assembly.  A considerable level of knowledge in quantum physics is also required."

"It is imperative to understand YOU NEED PROFESSIONALS AND EXPERT ADVICE to build a QEG."

As stated in the QEG Users Manual in the above quotes and by James Robitaille, engineers and technical expertise will be required to co-develop, build, tune and install the QEG.  Technical members are needed to improve and/or solve the challenging technical problems that will need to be analyzed and resolved so that the QEG can be efficiently built and implemented to operate safely and reliably. The reasonable questions/concerns that are being raised are due to the claims made by James Robitaille and others from FTW about a free energy 10,000 watt QEG that can power a home, but raising these questions/concerns is starting to be discouraged in the QEG Forum Construction threads. 

Raising common sense questions and making fact based comments is part of doing one's due diligence before spending money or time on anything that could be very time consuming and costly.  Doing one's due diligence does not make one a naysayer or troll and should not be hastily dismissed as bringing 'negative force'.  No one with good common sense would buy something As-Is from someone they did not know without first asking questions and confirming it worked, this would apply even more so if it involved new/unproven technology like is claimed with the QEG. 

Successful technology is not based on faith, it is a major technical undertaking.  Those that make the claim have the burden of proof.  James Robitaille and anyone from FTW (or WITTS) can not reasonably expect that no skeptical questions will be asked before money and/or time is spent on unproven technology.  Reasonable questions should be expected until claims are proven.

CLAIM directly quoted from the QEG User Manual 3/25/14:
In the QEG, input power is used only to maintain resonance in the core, which uses a small fraction of the output power (under 1000 watts to produce 10,000 watts), and once running, the QEG provides this power to its own 1 horsepower motor. This is known as over-unity. Once the machine builds up to the resonant frequency, it powers itself (self-running).

From technical perspective here are just 5 factual challenges for the QEG thus far:
1. James R has not demonstrated a verifiable self running QEG, he stated in the Taiwan video that back home he had tried to manually switch the QEG output power to the DC motor but could not get it to self run.  He stated in the PESN video that he didn't have an inverter and thinks an inverter should provide the hold time needed during the switch over in order to get it to self run.  This was not accomplished at home or Taiwan, next attempt will be made in Morocco.
2. James R has not provided voltage, current, power or waveform measurement data for a running QEG, regardless of the reason it was not provided, this is critical data that would greatly help and needed by technical members.
3. James R reported that he called Torelco to stop production of the processed QEG cores until the high voltage arcing that damaged the QEG core windings in Taiwan could be resolved.
4. James R reported in his last video from Taiwan that while there he realized that the QEG needs to operate  at a higher output voltage which will change the QEG design again, he has already mentioned changes involving: secondary spark gap, interlayer insulation, vacuum impregnated windings, secondary wire gauge and number of windings, capacitance, inductance, RPM, and using higher voltage inverter or step-down transformer.
5. James R is still trying to figure out how the QEG works based on his own comments, others are being trained on a QEG that is not fully understood and which has not powered itself.  Morocco will be the third attempt location.

The QEG Forum Rules & Guidelines state that you're looking for people with constructive feedback and honest questions. That's what my post is about, reasonable questions are justified based on the QEG claims and the above facts alone.  If technical members are discouraged or prevented from raising reasonable questions and concerns the QEG will primarily become a faith based venture that will head in the same direction as the numerous free energy claims of the past.  With the New Paradigm Business Model being promoted for the QEG, it especially does not make sense from a good project management perspective to start to build the QEG before analyzing and addressing these types of questions and concerns which could potentially SAVE many members a great deal of TIME and MONEY.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 29, 2014, 05:05:27 AM
I would add to that something that I have yet to see explicitly mentioned anywhere, and that is by all accounts, regardless if the device operates under-unity or over-unity, there is a lethal combinations of voltages and currents present in the device when it is operating. 

All would be experimenters should be aware, that they are taking their life in their hands just being within arms reach of the QEG when it's running.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 29, 2014, 05:50:55 AM
That's absolutely right. The thing is dangerous on several levels. It has the rapid rotating part that experiences asymmetric loads. It has the bank of capacitors charged up to multi kilovolts. It has a relatively high current capability. That reactive power may not be extractable in a usable constant form but you can bet your bippy it can be discharged all at once into various kinds of short circuits. Capacitors can literally explode, and then _still_ kill you with residual charge in the pieces. Take that reactive power discharge from the caps across your chest and you are dead. Even if you take it from, say, your fingers to your elbow... you will literally cook an arc channel through your meat.

Fourteen years ago I was poking around inside a running dynamotor power supply, and took a discharge into my right thumb at the first knuckle, and out the tip from under the thumbnail. It still hurts and there is a stripe of dead meat under the nail, to this day, and that was a 400 Hz discharge of less than 300 volts.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 29, 2014, 06:01:14 AM
A few days ago I was banned from the QEG Forum when my first post, which is quoted below, was submitted to the moderator for approval.  They must keep track of the computer it came from because another member of the same household which was a QEG Forum member and had received thanks from other members was also banned at the same time.  Since my reasonable post was blocked and got me banned I decided I would publicly post it here so that others who are objectively doing their QEG due diligence are aware that the QEG Forum moderators are not being objective and are NOT following their own QEG Forum Rules & Guidelines by blocking this type of post.

QEG Forum moderators banned me for attempting to start a new QEG Construction thread and post the following:

(a very reasonable post making excellent points, omitted because it's right up above in the thread.)

You have made an error in your basic assumptions. I think you know what it is, too.

You are assuming that the QEG managers and string pullers are honestly trying to develop Robitaille's dream into a reality, and since Jim at least has some kind of technical education and industrial experience with vacuum cleaner motors, you assume that they would go about the process in a rational and straightforward manner.

However, that is not what is really happening. Do not be distracted by the Red Herrings of resonance, high voltage and great reactive power readings. This whole thing is about the Almighty Dollar Bill. The longer and harder it is to "develop" the device, the more money and the more exciting world travel for the QEG principals. There is also the Messiah factor. Who doesn't want to Save the World and go down in history as the single person who most advanced human culture on the planet? Even greater than Jesus F. Christ, who after all only reaches a third of the world. The QEG will reach every single person on the planet and benefit them all. Right?
So there is a cynical manipulation of "hopeful Messiahs" and it's being used to extract money from the faithful. Who is the cynical manipulator? WhateverGirl. Who is the hopeful Messiah? Robitaille.

Remember: the very best Red Herrings are real fish, and they look like they will be easy to catch. Meanwhile.... YOU are the real fish if you spend any money on this project before Robitaille comes up with a self runner on his own. Don't get eaten.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 29, 2014, 06:25:00 AM
@IBreal,
Very good questions.  If you manage to rejoin that forum ask a more simple and less "negative" (hehe) question.

1.  When will the changes be incorporated into the QEG manual released 3-25-2014?

The manual is all about 240v 42A 60hz but the builds are now all about 2kv 5A 400hz (change in narrative the usual smoke screen).
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 29, 2014, 06:57:59 AM
Hi everyone,

I edited a new video demo of the QEG test in Morocco so I could listen to it using headphones with volume maxed out to see if I could detect any change in RPM sound of the prime mover for the first seconds when resonance kicks in and before people start screaming. I repeated it 10 times and added the end segment which is also quiet.
I decide to share this instead of keeping this edited video for my study, so I upload it unlisted on my youtube account to help others who would like to see this. I also kept it in full HD so no Quality is lost.

To the best of my ability I could not detect much change in sound of the prime mover. Nothing compared to my test unit anyways, and they have 500 watts of load!
The thing I notice is the flashing of the bulbs. To me this is hard to believe 400Hz is involved. That is the main thing that does not look right to me at this time.

Please share your observations

Luc

Link to my edited version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y&feature=youtu.be)

Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7--G5qSDag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7--G5qSDag)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 29, 2014, 07:52:40 AM
From playing with the parameters of my SPICE  model, I have found that the parametric resonance is a rather sharp one,  By that I mean a relatively small change in any of the circuit values, results in a significant change in the performance of the device. 

The first image of the onset of parametric resonance I posted is using a heavy load.  That is a load just less than the amount that would stop the tank oscillations.  I noticed that detuning one or more of the circuit values results in an under-damped system.  The is one that over-shoots it's stable operating point then rebounds several times before settling down into stable operation.

Incandescent lights change their resistance value a lot as they heat up.  I would image that the changing resistance of the load combined with the sensitivity of the circuit, creates significant rebounding as things settle into thermally, electrically, and mechanically stable oscillation. 

Attached is an image of my model slightly detuned with a zero load, and this is with a stable resistance for the load.  Just imagine if the generator rebounds because the load is changing value as it heats up.  Then as the generator rebounds, putting out more power then less power the load follows in step, changing its resistance as it heats up and cools down due to the fluctuating output form the generator.  All this happens because the system is operating open loop, in this sense that is without a negative feedback loop and error amplifier as a regulated power supply would have.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: picowatt on April 29, 2014, 08:02:28 AM
Hi everyone,

I edited a new video demo of the QEG test in Morocco so I could listen to it using headphones with volume maxed out to see if I could detect any change in RPM sound of the prime mover for the first seconds when resonance kicks in and before people start screaming. I repeated it 10 times and added the end segment which is also quiet.
I decide to share this instead of keeping this edited video for my study, so I upload it unlisted on my youtube account to help others who would like to see this. I also kept it in full HD so no Quality is lost.

To the best of my ability I could not detect much change in sound of the prime mover. Nothing compared to my test unit anyways, and they have 500 watts of load!
The thing I notice is the flashing of the bulbs. To me this is hard to believe 400Hz is involved. That is the main thing that does not look right to me at this time.

Please share your observations

Luc

Link to my edited version: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y&feature=youtu.be)

Link to original video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7--G5qSDag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7--G5qSDag)

Luc,

I was also wondering about any speed change but took a different approach.  Direct your attention to the strobe effect visible on the spinning disc on the end of the prime mover (which I am assuming is likely due to camera frame rate aliasing or possibly a nearby fluorescent... I believe the disc is marked for use with a laser tach).

The strobing changes as the speed is adjusted, but does appear fairly stable at the time the bulbs turn on. Even during the ugly sounds produced as the bulbs turn on and throughout the remainder of the time the bulbs are illuminated, the speed seems relatively stable.

Not sure what to make of it though...

PW     
 

   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 29, 2014, 08:19:04 AM
Luc,

I was also wondering about any speed change but took a different approach.  Direct your attention to the strobe effect visible on the spinning disc on the end of the prime mover (which I am assuming is likely due to camera frame rate aliasing or possibly a nearby fluorescent... I believe the disc is marked for use with a laser tach).

The strobing changes as the speed is adjusted, but does appear fairly stable at the time the bulbs turn on. Even during the ugly sounds produced as the bulbs turn on and throughout the remainder of the time the bulbs are illuminated, the speed seems relatively stable.

Not sure what to make of it though...

PW     
 

 

Thanks PW for posting that observation also.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: FixedSys on April 29, 2014, 03:51:56 PM
 :) So, the QEG folk fried the Taiwan model?
 :-\ Yes.
 :) Awesome.

 :) They linked the QEG to S.E.X, right?
 :-\ Yes.
 :) Wow....cool!

:) They got Resonance in Morocco, their data proved OU and now the World has changed forever!!??
:-\ Ah.... Errr....
:) Ah.... So they got Resonance, then set up some basic test equipment to get the summation of input vs output power and it really looks like it could be OU??
:-\ Actually, no. They got Resonance, then had coitus interruptus. You know; turned off the device, went to sleep and we've heard nothing since.
 
::)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 29, 2014, 05:22:33 PM

It's obviously a spark gap. During Tesla's time a spark gap was used to generate broadband low frequency RF.

This was used for exciting in Tesla Coils and as an oscillatory function in radio transmitters (no vac. tubes yet).

What is a spark gap doing tied to power line? - Obviously someone expects there will be static electricity there!

Second the motion by the fact that the sides of the machine are not metal but fiberglass. The metal rotor is insulated.

So it functions like the Testatika machine/Wimshurst machine. Static electricity is generated then is somewhat re-structured

form by adding LF RF to it like in a Tesla coil. and again like the Testatika Power RF Oscillator. These machines need to regauge

(change the relationship of voltage x current to power) so they can isolate subsystems. Then you simply run the re-formed

power through the coils to supercharge the internal magnetic motor flux. Note that electron flux often travels backwards

relative to common current flow.  I've always felt that this machine should operate this way without

knowing the details since the Tharpp video showed it in the first place.  There were previously people that

have done this in the 1920's - once they installed a powerful engine/motor in an aircraft - with obvious outcome. My feeling is that

tribiological electricity is inherently overunity. With three force affecting the electron - electrostatic, electromagnetic, and beta nuclear.

Static electricity is a macroscopic apparition of LENR. I will endeavor to prove this when the Shensei makes their ESM65-TR1

electrostatic motor available for sale.


This is why critics are no good for this type of thing, they don't structure incremental evidence for the operation of each device

as it comes along and before long they don't have a clue as to how these thing could even work. Critics need to stop saying

that there is no theory of operation for this device. It's that *they* don't have one.


No question though, I feel that overloading subsystem functions and variable parametric control structures

like in this device is not genius design but half-*ssed engineering practice. Parameters should have operational

margins not tuning. Variable parameters make it both difficult to understand system operation theory as well as

difficulty bringing it up.



:S:MarkSCoffman




Bravo Mark,  well said.   Your ideas on this device show you have a deep understanding of the unknown or at least untaught principles of energy around us.  Thank you for your sharing these thoughts.


Link to the motor you mentioned:
Technology: High Power Electrostatic Motor - SHINSEI CORPORATION - (http://www.shinsei-motor.com/English/techno/)




And TK     Very Good Advise,  thank you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: IBreal on April 29, 2014, 10:00:10 PM
TinselKoala:

You make valid points about the approach Fix The World is taking.  To improve my chances of posting a 'proceed with caution warning' to others on the QEG Forum I went out of my way to be diplomatic without compromising the points that should be objectively considered about the FTW QEG development thus far and the QEG Forum practices.  This re-enforces the fact that at the QEG Forum you can go out of the way to be thoughtful and reasonable and still be blocked and banned because the QEG Forum moderators are not open to an honest discussion and/or would rather keep their heads in the sand while keeping others there with them.

I've listened to all of James Robitaille's video and audio recordings about the QEG development, he is the only one able to provide technical updates.  I think he was convinced (or scammed) by WITTS and sincerely thinks that he can get the QEG to self run and provide excess power.  He has many years of technical and electronics experience but is out of his area of expertise.  He has openly admitted his failure to self run the QEG at home and admitted the failures he experienced in Taiwan.  He also openly admits that he is still learning and trying to figure out how the QEG works, although at the expense of others.  HopeGirl and some others are cheerleaders with absolutely no technical knowledge, so they are blindly following and are using deception to raise more funds.  Their actions contradict what James Robitaille openly states in technical sessions.  If you read through web sites and listen to broadcasts, HopeGirl and some others would have you believe that they already have a working QEG that self runs and will power a home, which is the opposite of what James Robitaille openly and clearly states.  Bottom line, I was banned from the  QEG Forum for trying to point out what James Robitaille has openly stated.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: IBreal on April 29, 2014, 10:16:02 PM
I would add to that something that I have yet to see explicitly mentioned anywhere, and that is by all accounts, regardless if the device operates under-unity or over-unity, there is a lethal combinations of voltages and currents present in the device when it is operating. 

All would be experimenters should be aware, that they are taking their life in their hands just being within arms reach of the QEG when it's running.


F_Brown:

You make a good point about the need to emphasis the life threatening QEG electrical hazards and TinselKoala provides some good clear examples.  I did not come across discussions about this in the QEG Forum, and it is less likely to be appropriately addressed there as they drive away members with technical knowledge and experience.  In fairness, the QEG User Manual does provide the following safety hazard warnings:

"Electrical / Mechanical devices are inherently dangerous. Electrical shock hazards can cause serious injury and in some cases death. Mechanical hazards can result in dismemberment and in some cases death."

"It is for these reasons that the QEG must be either directly installed or supervised by an experienced electromechanical engineer to ensure the installation is done safely and in accordance with local electrical code, however, the QEG is installed the same way as any commercial generator and does not violate any electrical codes. Anyone who uses the QEG installation instructions (including but not limited to any procedure or method of installation) must first satisfy themselves that neither their safety, nor the safety of the end user, will be endangered over the course of the installation and operation of the QEG."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 29, 2014, 10:23:12 PM
couple of statements from the QEG people:  "gentlemen arrived from the UK a few days ago with a professional video camera AND very high tech equipment for measuring all aspects of the QEG output and "over unity"
 
 
"When all the data has been gathered and tested and measured, and all the information is compiled, and all the instructional videos and recordings etc edited and put together, then everything will be released publicly all at once. Until then, we will be posting updates on all that is happening here, and we will keep you all informed"
 
seems they should still be given the benefit of the doubt. let 'em show the proof without all the nasty accusations. not suggesting anyone run out and buy parts for this yet. just stop the negative remarkst. if anyone had a clue about the big post Cap-Z-ro made you might begin to understand why that's important. some of the mentally castrated individuals here who think we or they already know everything about everything should take a few lessons from history.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steeltpu on April 29, 2014, 10:32:53 PM
@ibreal   I agree it would be nice to have some ?'s answered and measurements but I think they are trying to avoid killing their funding before they work out the kinks.   looking at the videos of rotaille you see a guy in grubby jeans, tee shirt and unshaved.   doesn't look like someone living high on donations.   looks like a guy busting his butt to get this all working right.   all I'm asking is for people to give it some time before bashing the sh*t out of them.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2014, 10:42:49 PM
Luc,

About the pitch change or lack of change when the light bulbs light up:

Note the light bulbs are like a load on a secondary coil on a toroidal core where the primary is the LC resonator.  So that means it's like the light bulbs are in parallel with the LC resonator.

One thing that the QEG team haven't looked at is the electrical power draw of the LC resonator when it is in resonance without the light bulb load.  I know that I have been harping on this issue and this may give it some perspective.

We know that there is a high-voltage medium-frequency sine wave observed when in resonance and no light bulb load.

We have lots of data to work with:  We know the peak-to-peak voltage.  We know the capacitance value.  We know the resonant frequency.  We know the wire resistance in the L part of the LC resonator.  All of these things are easily measurable.

You can then easily determine the RMS AC current in the LC resonator.  Once you have that, you know the power dissipation in the LC resonator.  I will leave the crunching to anyone that is interested as an exercise.

Let's say that you crunch the numbers and you determine that the unloaded LC resonator is dissipating 110 watts of power.  Don't be surprised it's possible it could be that high.

Now, you add the light bulb load.  All my numbers are approximations for illustrative purposes.  Let's say they are 60-watt bulbs only partially lit and all four draw 130 watts.   Let's say that under load the LC resonance voltage drops a lot.  You crunch the numbers and now the LC resonator only draws 25 watts.  That means that the power picked up by the LC resonator is now mostly going to the light bulb load.

So the electrical power dissipation is 110 watts no load and (130 + 25) = 155 watts with the light bulb load.

Let's say in both cases there is 25 watts worth of friction power also (bearings, air, etc.)

So the new totals are 135 watts no load and 180 watts with the light bulb load.

The DC motor by design will try to maintain a constant speed with the same DC voltage applied, it just draws more current when there is a tougher mechanical load.

The DC motor and the QEC rotor together store a lot of Joules of rotational energy when at the resonance speed.  That rotational inertia will resist a speed change when the mechanical load changes.

You add the two effects together, the motor self-governing on speed and the rotational inertia and it's very possible that the motor speed change is not perceptible over the first few seconds when the mechanical load changes from 135 watts to 180 watts.

This is the kind of stuff we should be seeing on the real QEG forum.  However, the technical posts are few and far between and you have mostly cheerleading and New Age navel gazing instead.

MileHigh 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 29, 2014, 11:02:17 PM
@ibreal   I agree it would be nice to have some ?'s answered and measurements but I think they are trying to avoid killing their funding before they work out the kinks.   looking at the videos of rotaille you see a guy in grubby jeans, tee shirt and unshaved.   doesn't look like someone living high on donations.   looks like a guy busting his butt to get this all working right.   all I'm asking is for people to give it some time before bashing the sh*t out of them.
Steeltpu, I agree that they are trying to protect the funding.  JR seems to be on the up and up. 

HG is another matter.  HG routinely over represents what they have.  HG is out there drumming up money for these trips. Why spend time and money traveling the globe before there is a working unit of any kind?  Wouldn't JR be better off concentrating on trying to make a unit work?  No one can get a unit until and if JR ever succeeds.  And that is something that he may never do.  So who benefits from the current course of action?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2014, 11:05:45 PM
Steeltpu:

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seems they should still be given the benefit of the doubt. let 'em show the proof without all the nasty accusations. not suggesting anyone run out and buy parts for this yet. just stop the negative remarkst. if anyone had a clue about the big post Cap-Z-ro made you might begin to understand why that's important. some of the mentally castrated individuals here who think we or they already know everything about everything should take a few lessons from history

Mentally castrated my ass.  Rubbing your tummy and humming to make a QEG work is being mentally castrated.   For all we know, the total "haul" after 200 cores are ordered and all the rest of the parts are purchased will be somewhere around a million dollars.   Hypothetically, what if the margin on the $3000 core is 70% and HopeGirl and James have a deal with the core manufacturer to split the profits.  Then HopeGirl and James walk away with $210,000.

With that kind of money on the table I refuse to give them the benefit of the doubt.  The "lessons from history" argument can easily be debunked.  The "flying machine" one is the prime example.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 29, 2014, 11:28:52 PM
F_Brown,

There is a fundamental problem with your modeling of the spark gap.  You are modeling it as a noise source.  I am assuming that is an off-the-shelf component where you can set the parameters,  The fundamental problem is that your model is a power source, and it injects power into the system.  That is a component that allows you to simulate the thermal noise power that you have in most circuits (I assume.)

The spark gap is not a power source, it's the opposite.  Let's say that the air when it breaks down looks like a 70 ohm resistor.  This is a very simplified model, because we know that the voltage across the spark gap changes very little for changes in the current through the conducting plasma.

Therefore a simplified model for a spark gap would be a switch in series with a 70-ohm resistor.  It conducts when the switch is closed and dissipates power.   You have the spark gap modeled as a source of power.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 01:04:34 AM
Miles,

Where did you get the impression that I am modeling the spark gap in the CEG simulation?

Quite the contrary, I refrained from putting it in the sim.

On the other hand I did employ a sophisticated spark gap model for my simulation and  analysis of the Tesla Hair-Pin Circuit.

That is featured here:  http://youtu.be/N7gPeIVVy0A

You must be considering the noise source that I used to create a bit of noise in the primary circuit to be a spark gap. 

That's just a noise source to provide a few tens of micro-volts to give the parametric excitation something with which to start.  It is a power source, although a very small one.  I think it could be turned off one the oscillations startup. 

It is to just recreate the ambient noise in the circuit that are generated by ambient magnetic fields acting upon the magnetic core of the device.  Without any noise in the primary of the simulation, the oscillations fail to start up.

Anyway, at the moment I doubt the spark gap is going to do anything useful for the QEG.  Any RF noise that it generates will be damped out by the relative huge inductance, voltages, and currents in the primary tank circuit.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on April 30, 2014, 01:15:45 AM
Another way I see the spark gap is a maker and collector of scalar waves.  Shouldn't the spark gap be reverse conical with a sharp mid point where the actual plasma arc burns and collapses the ambient air particles and gases. AND should that energy not be transmitter in a straight lines of force manor to the load  (generator)?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on April 30, 2014, 01:32:26 AM
Another way I see the spark gap is a maker and collector of scalar waves.  Shouldn't the spark gap be reverse conical with a sharp mid point where the actual plasma arc burns and collapses the ambient air particles and gases. AND should that energy not be transmitter in a straight lines of force manor to the load  (generator)?


I agree and think spark gaps can be a way of tapping into an alternative yet unseen power source that mainstream science denies.   I'm not sure where you got the idea for the reverse cone setup but based on some other things I've read I think that is an EXCELLENT idea!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 30, 2014, 02:15:01 AM
Another way I see the spark gap is a maker and collector of scalar waves.  Shouldn't the spark gap be reverse conical with a sharp mid point where the actual plasma arc burns and collapses the ambient air particles and gases. AND should that energy not be transmitter in a straight lines of force manor to the load  (generator)?
What verifiable evidence do you have that a spark gap either generates or collects scalar waves? 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 02:18:17 AM
I'm glad you're being gentle Mark.  We should be honored that Hope Girl is here among us.  If we mind our manners, she might continue to give us direct and timely updates on QEG developments.  Otherwise, we'll have to go looking for them.

By the way, somebody just mentioned to me that the frequency of the exciter circuits is set at the electron spin resonant frequency.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 30, 2014, 02:30:04 AM
Somebody just mentioned to me that the frequency of the exciter circuits is set at the electron spin resonant frequency.

I'm glad you're being gentle Mark.  We should be honored that Hope Girl is here among us.  If we mind our manners, she might continue to give us timely updates on QEG developments directly.  Otherwise, we'll have to go looking for them.
~400Hz is more than seven orders of magnitude below ~10GHz of typical electron spin resonance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 02:55:22 AM
Ha, I guess the person who told me that is wrong then.  He said the electron spin resonance was 1.3 MHz, which is the resonant frequency of the exciter circuits.

I made some more progress with my SPICE model.  I was able to make a model of the full primary circuit, and it generates over 10 kW of output into a resistive load taken directly from the primary. 

James has been mentioning lately that he is learning that the nature of this device is high voltage.  The simulation results I am getting seem to agree with that.

In this case in order to get 10 kW of output, about 53 kilo-volts peak needs to be developed across each half of the primary.  It's also interesting to note that in this case the primary coils together are dissipating about 78 watts.

There are a few things I find interesting about this:

1)  SPICE is able to model the parametric excitation, and it suggests that the claimed 10 kW of output are possible.

2) That output can be drawn off directly from the primaries, making secondary output optional.

3)  The wave form in the primary circuit is a sine wave with little harmonic distortion.

There is one that that still concerns me, and that is how much input power will it take to do this.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 30, 2014, 03:28:35 AM
Ha, I guess the person who told me that is wrong then.  He said the electron spin resonance was 1.3 MHz, which is the resonant frequency of the exciter circuits.
One should check one's sources.  Electron spin resonance is in the GHz.  1.3MHz sounds like a high frequency for anything with the giant windings that are on this machine.  The L*C product for 1.3MHz is down near 1.4E-14.
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I made some more progress with my SPICE model.  I was able to make a model of the full primary circuit, and it generates over 10 kW of output into a resistive load taken directly from the primary. 
Models can be very helpful, provided that the assumptions they are built around are reasonable.  Otherwise they are little more than computer aided hallucinations.  You task is to ensure that your model is representative of something real.
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James has been mentioning lately that he is learning that the nature of this device is high voltage.  The simulation results I am getting seem to agree with that.
I watched the Taiwan session where he said that.  I was not encouraged by those remarks.  Power sources have characteristic impedance.  A high characteristic impedance in a power source means that the maximum power point will be at a relatively higher voltage than a similar capacity source that has a lower characteristic impedance.  Electrodynamic machines are readily scaled in both power and impedance by changing the flux density and the number of turns per unit length.
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In this case in order to get 10 kW of output, about 56 kilo-volts peak needs to be developed across each half of the primary.
So they say.
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There are a few things I find interesting about this:

1)  SPICE is able to model the parametric excitation, and it suggests that the claimed 10 kW of output are possible.
A SPICE model that has certain assumptions that may well be quite dubious gives a result that you want to see.  I highly recommend that you add a power probe to your noise source.
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2) That output can be drawn off directly from the primaries, making secondary output optional.
Transformers operate symmetrically.  If there isn't a reason for an additional winding, then one should question why it exists.
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3)  The wave form in the primary circuit is a sine wave with little harmonic distortion.
The purity of the sine wave is a function of the Q.  The higher the Q the less relative power output.
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There is one that that still concerns me, and that is how much input power will it take to do this.
Adding a power probe to your LT SPICE model noise source will help you figure that out.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 04:18:59 AM
One should check one's sources.  Electron spin resonance is in the GHz.  1.3MHz sounds like a high frequency for anything with the giant windings that are on this machine.  The L*C product for 1.3MHz is down near 1.4E-14.Models can be very helpful, provided that the assumptions they are built around are reasonable.  Otherwise they are little more than computer aided hallucinations.  You task is to ensure that your model is representative of something real.I watched the Taiwan session where he said that.  I was not encouraged by those remarks.  Power sources have characteristic impedance.  A high characteristic impedance in a power source means that the maximum power point will be at a relatively higher voltage than a similar capacity source that has a lower characteristic impedance.  Electrodynamic machines are readily scaled in both power and impedance by changing the flux density and the number of turns per unit length.So they say.A SPICE model that has certain assumptions that may well be quite dubious gives a result that you want to see.  I highly recommend that you add a power probe to your noise source.Transformers operate symmetrically.  If there isn't a reason for an additional winding, then one should question why it exists.The purity of the sine wave is a function of the Q.  The higher the Q the less relative power output.Adding a power probe to your LT SPICE model noise source will help you figure that out.

How about a measure statement on the noise source?

That works out to about 14 milli-watts.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on April 30, 2014, 05:54:21 AM
I made some more progress with my SPICE model.

@F_Brown

Brief note, please take a look at how your calculate your average power. Make sure not to introduce the function abs() anywhere. The signs on I and V should take care of that (in that way you will be able to see real or reactive power) or use I*I*R for a resistor.

Some other remarks: your noise source is OK. It will not consume any power; it is noise, brownian motion. I have run similar parametric excitation simulations and find similar results. No magic here. Noise is what starts the primary. No spark gap needed.

However, what you do need to look at is the (counter) torque on the rotor. You can calculate that with FEMM. It is pretty big for 1amp of current. I have attached a graph. As stated in one of my earlier posts, the only way you can make the overall average force go to zero is by making sure the primary current is anti-symmetric as well and is exactly lined up in space/time with and has the same periodicity as the torque curve so the overall torque effect averages out to zero. This might proof hard to do in practice or maybe it is even impossible as load typically changes and will change the current curve, and thus the torque.

Either way, you should be able to prove if this thing can work or not.  :)

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rfacts on April 30, 2014, 06:26:07 AM
gotoluc (and others interested in QEG audio spectrum):

Appreciate you sharing the QEG Morocco video that you edited, I'm sharing some audio data from that video.  I fed the audio from your edited video to a PC based real time FFT audio spectrum analyzer.  This allowed me to capture and save the audio spectrum of the QEG as it was ramped up with the light bulbs off, when the light bulbs flashed, and when the light bulbs stayed on.  I left the SA settings at default and have attached the screen captures that I saved.  Most of the screen captures were taken with a span of 0-500 Hz (50 Hz per division) to provide more detail of the most significant part of the audio spectrum.  There are some screen captures with a span of 1KHz, 2KHz and 5KHz to show higher order harmonics. 

There is a frequency at 100 Hz that first appears 2 seconds into the video when the variac knob is first rotated to start the QEG and this frequency is present throughout the QEG run.  This 100 Hz frequency must be the hum from the full wave rectifier which is used to rectify the 50 Hz AC input to power the DC motor, so it serves as a good calibration check.  The light bulbs start to flash when ~400 Hz double peak frequencies appears, I happened to capture it at the 30 second mark in one of the repeating cycles that you edited to extend the flashing light bulb view time.  The ~400 Hz double peak frequencies only appears when the light bulbs flash on.  The light bulbs stay on when the 440 Hz frequency is present along with a 400 Hz frequency, at this point both of these frequencies are constantly displayed until the QEG is ramped down.  Most of the screens have a red marker at the 440 Hz frequency, you can see the frequency the marker is set to at the top of the captured screen.  You can also see an 800 Hz and 880 Hz harmonic frequency on the attached file with the 1KHz span.  Regardless of the QEG outcome it will be very interesting to find out how the QEG output is optimized.

It may be that the optimum output is achieved when the 400 Hz and the 440 Hz frequencies are tuned to match.  Is there enough data here to determine which is the mechanical and which is the electrical resonance frequency?  If mechanical resonance and the electrical resonance (or a harmonic frequency for parametric operation) need to be aligned a real time FFT audio spectrum analyzer like this one may prove to be a very useful tuning tool.  The screen capture with the 5KHz span that I've attached was saved to display the whole instrument control panel so you can see the software application was developed by Fatpigdog Industries.  I purchased the Excalibur 4.06 professional version, it has a very intuitive control panel with a very good set of features and the input audio can be from a file or a microphone - technical support is provided by email.  I'm not associated with them, I just think it's a good product, so for anyone interested in more info it can be found, downloaded, and a registration code purchased at this web site:

http://www.fatpigdog.com/SpectrumAnalyzer/Excalibur.html

To insure that we're using the same reference, this video is the source of the audio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y

Note: Attached files were converted from .bmp to .jpg to minimize file size.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on April 30, 2014, 06:27:32 AM
I'm glad you're being gentle Mark.  We should be honored that Hope Girl is here among us.  If we mind our manners, she might continue to give us direct and timely updates on QEG developments.  Otherwise, we'll have to go looking for them.

By the way, somebody just mentioned to me that the frequency of the exciter circuits is set at the electron spin resonant frequency.


@F_Brown


The 'Hope' here is NOT Hope Girl. Hope Girl is just a figure head with little technical knowledge. It is James R who is trying to build and understand the QEG. Hope Girl is too much 'noise'.


chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 07:22:06 AM
For the average output power the figure was the same with abs and without abs.

Although I realize using abs for the noise power was wrong, because the noise will add and subtract power, it should just negate itself.  Taking out the abs function for the noise power measurement results in now about 129 micro watts. 

Now I'm off to try to figure out how to get FEMM to verify that.

Did you use Lua scripting to get FEMM to generate that nice graphic?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 30, 2014, 09:09:41 AM
The QED Saga continues in Marrocco now.

Here is the latest circuit diagramm:

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=641629269244552&set=pb.612141065526706.-2207520000.1398639803.&type=3&permPage=1

Here is a Facebook group where they posted the new build pictures:

https://www.facebook.com/OPCAouchtam

And here are the newest videos:

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsFAF1_8B5cZ7YhpcjFFNfA/videos


Especially this video is hillarious:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TbAr-gC9D4

where Fakegirl and her mother cry and shout at the end of the video,
although there is no selflooping going on... just lighting 2 bulbs with no measurements given....

The donation scam continues...

Notice in the latest Morocco video Morocco Has Resonance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd04pD5T88U
I will let people guess what it is that should be noticed.  Lets see who spots the obvious.  A hint is quintessence.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Dog-One on April 30, 2014, 11:15:01 AM
Notice in the latest Morocco video Morocco Has Resonance http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd04pD5T88U
I will let people guess what it is that should be noticed.  Lets see who spots the obvious.  A hint is quintessence.

Guess I didn't see it, but I will say this, watching this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIXC1pPQn8

If the stator and rotor have a clearance of 1/1000 of an inch, there is no possible way you can drill holes in plastic with a Dremel tool to get that kind of precision.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 02:25:57 PM
Check this out....


Even I had the "hope" to find out something new, until now, my generator is very inefficient.
I will do some more tests this weekend.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4


Cheers
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on April 30, 2014, 05:36:13 PM
Check this out....


Even I had the "hope" to find out something new, until now, my generator is very inefficient.
I will do some more tests this weekend.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4)


Cheers
Ariovaldo

Ariovaldo,

Good looking machine but I could not make out anything you were saying over the noise of the machine running. I could also not see the reading on the meter. If you do post any further videos, please shut off the machine before you speak.

Hoppy
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 05:52:59 PM
Ariovaldo,

Good looking machine but I could not make out anything you were saying over the noise of the machine running. I could also not see the reading on the meter. If you do post any further videos, please shut off the machine before you speak.

Hoppy


"It's not so easy to teach a new trick for an old horse", but I will try to make a better one in a couple days. Also, the KW-meter positions was not so good.
Making it short, the power consumption was about 1200 watts and the load was not more than 6 x 60 watts lights bulbs. The output voltage in each coil was about 600 volts, but drops with the load. As I said, I'm just testing and is not my intention to make polemics statements.  I'm just an old guy that has as hobby to build and test stuffs..
Independently of the results, is an interesting approach the way that the system works, having the resonance when reach a certain speed. In this case, was about 2800 rpm, but I can bring it down, increasing the capacitance. Also, it is a danger machine, since the voltage is very high in the excitation (high voltage) coils.


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 30, 2014, 05:59:02 PM
Guess I didn't see it, but I will say this, watching this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIXC1pPQn8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIXC1pPQn8)

If the stator and rotor have a clearance of 1/1000 of an inch, there is no possible way you can drill holes in plastic with a Dremel tool to get that kind of precision.

They are claiming 1/1000 inch clearance between rotor and stator in THAT p.o.s.? I call bullshit right there. I'll believe they got 10kW Free Energy from a roll of toilet paper, before I'll believe that.

ETA: I am actually _offended_ by that claim, if it is a claim. Go ahead, QEGers, prove to me that that rotating assembly, shaft and bearing set, in the non-metallic mounting attached to a block of wood, has less than 0.0005 inch run-out. Go ahead. Would you like to borrow my dial indicator? What's a dial indicator, you ask? Oh.... never mind.

SIGH.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Paul-R on April 30, 2014, 06:03:23 PM
They are claiming 1/1000 inch clearance between rotor and stator in THAT p.o.s.? I call bullshit right there. I'll believe they got 10kW Free Energy from a roll of toilet paper, before I'll believe that.
At what temperature?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 30, 2014, 06:05:19 PM
At what temperature?
Toilet paper works best when it's slightly cooler than ambient.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Marshallin on April 30, 2014, 06:13:52 PM
Check this out....


Even I had the "hope" to find out something new, until now, my generator is very inefficient.
I will do some more tests this weekend.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4


Cheers
Ariovaldo

Thx for sharing, good work.
One question:
Doest input power rise when you apply load on generator?
if you put some switch there and test it i will be gratefull :D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 06:30:47 PM
This video is almost the same than the other one.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sli1RCbGs84


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on April 30, 2014, 06:41:42 PM

"It's not so easy to teach a new trick for an old horse", but I will try to make a better one in a couple days. Also, the KW-meter positions was not so good.
Making it short, the power consumption was about 1200 watts and the load was not more than 6 x 60 watts lights bulbs. The output voltage in each coil was about 600 volts, but drops with the load. As I said, I'm just testing and is not my intention to make polemics statements.  I'm just an old guy that has as hobby to build and test stuffs..
Independently of the results, is an interesting approach the way that the system works, having the resonance when reach a certain speed. In this case, was about 2800 rpm, but I can bring it down, increasing the capacitance. Also, it is a danger machine, since the voltage is very high in the excitation (high voltage) coils.


Cheers


Ariovaldo

The thing that amazes me about the QEG is how it is intended to run any practical load and stay in a resonant condition. Surely that James chap who designed this realises that the efficiency of a machine working on this principle is totally load dependent and will be very difficult to stay tuned using manual methods. I get the distinct impression from the videos that he has been pulled into something that he is none too confident about and having received so much attention, now feels committed to seeing this project through. He talks rather sheepishly about an output of 2,000V at 10 Amps (20KW) being possible but makes little mention of how impedance matching is to be achieved to actually transfer this amount of power efficiently to a very variable type of load. Anyway, it is a very brave venture and I wish him every success.

Hoppy
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 30, 2014, 07:24:35 PM
This video is almost the same than the other one.....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sli1RCbGs84 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sli1RCbGs84)


Cheers


Ariovaldo

Hello Ariovaldo,
 
 thank you for posting a video of your replication.
 
 Unfortunately the focus is not clear when you show the power meter. Can you please write down in a post the power just before resonance and when resonance lights the bulbs.
 
 I'm also trying to understand what happened at the end when only one bulb lights. Do you know what causes this?
 
 Thank you for sharing

Luc
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on April 30, 2014, 07:25:35 PM
Excuse me, if I have a primary and a secondary, 10 KWh of electricity and a cos phi of 0,9999, is there theoricaly approximately 20000 jouls of heat in each second if we count the two circuits?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 30, 2014, 07:54:51 PM
Ariovaldo:

Your replication of the QEG generator setup looks very good.

With no light bulb load, have you measured the motor power consumption when you are at resonance?   If you then slightly increase the motor voltage and the system goes out of resonance, have you measured the motor power consumption?   What about if you slightly decrease the motor voltage and the system goes out of resonance, have you measured the motor power consumption?

Do you know how to measure the electrical power dissipation in the LC resonator when the system is in resonance and there is no load?  If yes, can you make that measurement?  If no, do you want to discuss it first before you make the measurement?

Thanks,

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 07:55:34 PM
Hello Ariovaldo,
 
 thank you for posting a video of your replication.
 
 Unfortunately the focus is not clear when you show the power meter. Can you please write down in a post the power just before resonance and when resonance lights the bulbs.
 
 I'm also trying to understand what happened at the end when only one bulb lights. Do you know what causes this?
 
 Thank you for sharing

Luc


Yeah, the video is bad...I have a regular job and I just have time at night or weekend and my intention is to do some more tests. About the end, when just one light bulb still on is because when you increase or bring down the speed we lose the resonance and the system starts to pulse and the result is voltage spikes. The others lights bulbs just blew out.


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 08:00:47 PM
Ariovaldo:

Your replication of the QEG generator setup looks very good.

With no light bulb load, have you measured the motor power consumption when you are at resonance?   If you then slightly increase the motor voltage and the system goes out of resonance, have you measured the motor power consumption?   What about if you slightly decrease the motor voltage and the system goes out of resonance, have you measured the motor power consumption?

Do you know how to measure the electrical power dissipation in the LC resonator when the system is in resonance and there is no load?  If yes, can you make that measurement?  If no, do you want to discuss it first before you make the measurement?

Thanks,

MileHigh


I will write down everything that you suggested and I will do my best this weekend to test it and put in a table that can be understandable.


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 30, 2014, 08:01:28 PM
gotoluc (and others interested in QEG audio spectrum):

Thank you Rfacts for taking the time to do the spectrum analysis and post your results.

I think I better understand why they say 400Hz is the resonating frequency. They are speaking of mechanical resonance and not necessarily electrical resonance.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 30, 2014, 08:01:49 PM
Ariovaldo,

How are the light bulbs connected to your QEG generator replication?  Can you make and post a schematic of your circuit?   Honestly, we need to see an accurate schematic diagram to explain how only a single light bulb can remain lit.

A proper electronics discussion needs to have a schematic diagram of the circuit under test.

Thanks,

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 30, 2014, 08:02:58 PM

I will write down everything that you suggested and I will do my best this weekend to test it and put in a table that can be understandable.


Ariovaldo

Thank you very much.

As a suggestion, if you are concerned about the high voltages when the system is in resonance, you can put an oscilloscope (or a multimeter) across only one of the series capacitors.  That will allow you to verify that the system is in resonance with no load and the measured voltage will be lower and will likely not damage your oscilloscope or multimeter.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 30, 2014, 08:11:12 PM

Yeah, the video is bad...I have a regular job and I just have time at night or weekend and my intention is to do some more tests. About the end, when just one light bulb still on is because when you increase or bring down the speed we lose the resonance and the system starts to pulse and the result is voltage spikes. The others lights bulbs just blew out.


Cheers


Ariovaldo

Thanks Ariovaldo for explaining why the bulbs do that. I'm sorry you are going through so many bulbs.
The QEG in Morocco has spark plugs added to possibly help prevent these spikes.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 30, 2014, 08:16:54 PM
gotoluc (and others interested in QEG audio spectrum):

Appreciate you sharing the QEG Morocco video that you edited, I'm sharing some audio data from that video.  I fed the audio from your edited video to a PC based real time FFT audio spectrum analyzer.  This allowed me to capture and save the audio spectrum of the QEG as it was ramped up with the light bulbs off, when the light bulbs flashed, and when the light bulbs stayed on.  I left the SA settings at default and have attached the screen captures that I saved.  Most of the screen captures were taken with a span of 0-500 Hz (50 Hz per division) to provide more detail of the most significant part of the audio spectrum.  There are some screen captures with a span of 1KHz, 2KHz and 5KHz to show higher order harmonics. 

There is a frequency at 100 Hz that first appears 2 seconds into the video when the variac knob is first rotated to start the QEG and this frequency is present throughout the QEG run.  This 100 Hz frequency must be the hum from the full wave rectifier which is used to rectify the 50 Hz AC input to power the DC motor, so it serves as a good calibration check.  The light bulbs start to flash when ~400 Hz double peak frequencies appears, I happened to capture it at the 30 second mark in one of the repeating cycles that you edited to extend the flashing light bulb view time.  The ~400 Hz double peak frequencies only appears when the light bulbs flash on.  The light bulbs stay on when the 440 Hz frequency is present along with a 400 Hz frequency, at this point both of these frequencies are constantly displayed until the QEG is ramped down.  Most of the screens have a red marker at the 440 Hz frequency, you can see the frequency the marker is set to at the top of the captured screen.  You can also see an 800 Hz and 880 Hz harmonic frequency on the attached file with the 1KHz span.  Regardless of the QEG outcome it will be very interesting to find out how the QEG output is optimized.

It may be that the optimum output is achieved when the 400 Hz and the 440 Hz frequencies are tuned to match.  Is there enough data here to determine which is the mechanical and which is the electrical resonance frequency?  If mechanical resonance and the electrical resonance (or a harmonic frequency for parametric operation) need to be aligned a real time FFT audio spectrum analyzer like this one may prove to be a very useful tuning tool.  The screen capture with the 5KHz span that I've attached was saved to display the whole instrument control panel so you can see the software application was developed by Fatpigdog Industries.  I purchased the Excalibur 4.06 professional version, it has a very intuitive control panel with a very good set of features and the input audio can be from a file or a microphone - technical support is provided by email.  I'm not associated with them, I just think it's a good product, so for anyone interested in more info it can be found, downloaded, and a registration code purchased at this web site:

http://www.fatpigdog.com/SpectrumAnalyzer/Excalibur.html (http://www.fatpigdog.com/SpectrumAnalyzer/Excalibur.html)

To insure that we're using the same reference, this video is the source of the audio:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ALGxtNZ_2Y)

Note: Attached files were converted from .bmp to .jpg to minimize file size.

Nice work. But.... but.... no Linux version! And nonfree.

For us Linux users, there is Audacity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZbZa99ocPU
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 08:22:53 PM
Thanks Ariovaldo for explaining why the bulbs do that. I'm sorry you are going through so many bulbs.
The QEG in Morocco has spark plugs added to possibly help prevent these spikes.

Luc


I will, I just didn't have time. The winding was made by hand and my wrist is sore. My wife was my helper and I owe a good dinner ...One more week to recover..


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 08:45:34 PM
Check this out....


Even I had the "hope" to find out something new, until now, my generator is very inefficient.
I will do some more tests this weekend.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4)


Cheers
Ariovaldo

Awesome video Ariovaldo!

From my SPICE simulations I have found that this device has some unusual performance behaviors, One of which is that the more resistance you put in the primary circuit up to a certain point which seem to be roughly around 10% of the the total impedance of the primary at the operating frequency, the more power the device will output.  I am using an 11 k load in my spice simulation. 

I have also found that the system will go through surging oscillations if the resistance of the load is tool light, and that if the resistance of the load is too high the system will simply fail to go into resonance.   So, the moral of the story is more load is generally better than less load.  Additionally, adding load resistance will take voltage off the primary windings, so again more load is better than less load as far as helping the system to avoid over voltage transients in the primary windings.

I'm thinking that your generator would easily light up a series sting of 20 100W light bulbs maybe more put in series with the primary.

Cheers,

FB
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 30, 2014, 08:46:59 PM
Check this out....


Even I had the "hope" to find out something new, until now, my generator is very inefficient.
I will do some more tests this weekend.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8x0Zpb67Uw4


Cheers
Ariovaldo



Nice build.  Do you have the exciter between the output coil and load?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 08:48:50 PM

"It's not so easy to teach a new trick for an old horse", but I will try to make a better one in a couple days. Also, the KW-meter positions was not so good.
Making it short, the power consumption was about 1200 watts and the load was not more than 6 x 60 watts lights bulbs. The output voltage in each coil was about 600 volts, but drops with the load. As I said, I'm just testing and is not my intention to make polemics statements.  I'm just an old guy that has as hobby to build and test stuffs..
Independently of the results, is an interesting approach the way that the system works, having the resonance when reach a certain speed. In this case, was about 2800 rpm, but I can bring it down, increasing the capacitance. Also, it is a danger machine, since the voltage is very high in the excitation (high voltage) coils.


Cheers


Ariovaldo

Voltage generating in the system I think is related to drive frequency by the relation d/dt, that the rate of change in the inductance of the system created by the rotor speed vs time.  slowing down the system will lower the output voltage.

I'm very glad to see you have a flywheel on the motor.  I think this will be an important part of the system.  Ultimately, I would like to see the motor, flywheel and CEG all on one shaft for the best efficiency on the mechanical side of things.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 30, 2014, 08:49:32 PM
Guess I didn't see it, but I will say this, watching this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysIXC1pPQn8

If the stator and rotor have a clearance of 1/1000 of an inch, there is no possible way you can drill holes in plastic with a Dremel tool to get that kind of precision.

Not shown is the very thing for which it is named.  You cannot have a rat trap be effective if there is no rat.
"Ou es le" Quantum exciter coil   ???
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Dog-One on April 30, 2014, 08:59:14 PM
Not shown is the very thing for which it is named.  You cannot have a rat trap be effective if there is no rat.
"Ou es le" Quantum exciter coil   ???

Very true.

But if you build it like Mr. Tesla did, it shouldn't need one.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 09:00:59 PM


Nice build.  Do you have the exciter between the output coil and load?


No...straight from the coil to the load...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 09:04:53 PM
Awesome video Ariovaldo!

From my SPICE simulations I have found that this device has some unusual performance behaviors, One of which is that the more resistance you put in the primary circuit up to a certain point which seem to be roughly around 10% of the the total impedance of the primary at the operating frequency, the more power the device will output.  I am using an 11 k load in my spice simulation. 

I have also found that the system will go through surging oscillations if the resistance of the load is tool light, and that if the resistance of the load is too high the system will simply fail to go into resonance.   So, the moral of the story is more load is generally better than less load.  Additionally, adding load resistance will take voltage off the primary windings, so again more load is better than less load as far as helping the system to avoid over voltage transients in the primary windings.

I'm thinking that your generator would easily light up a series sting of 20 100W light bulbs maybe more put in series with the primary.

Cheers,

FB


About the load, I tried 4 x 500 watts and it didn't work. With 2 x 500 watts, wasn't full bright..


Cheers
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on April 30, 2014, 09:20:52 PM

About the load, I tried 4 x 500 watts and it didn't work. With 2 x 500 watts, wasn't full bright..


Cheers
Ariovaldo

That's because the device is highly load dependent and therefore will be of no real multi-purpose practical use in a fixed resonant and directly output to load coupled condition. The energy needs to be transferred in pulses into an impedance matched load and subsequently stored in an accumulator for practical use via an inverter. However, getting to this stage adds complexity and cost and is only viable if an overall performance gain (COP>1) from can be confirmed by correct measurement.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 30, 2014, 09:45:15 PM

No...straight from the coil to the load...

Any plans on adding the exciter coil?  QEG manual states this is the part of the device that enables most of the energy output.

Or are you doing this in steps so if something goes wrong you know where.   Good effort.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on April 30, 2014, 10:02:11 PM
Any plans on adding the exciter coil?  QEG manual states this is the part of the device that enables most of the energy output.

Or are you doing this in steps so if something goes wrong you know where.   Good effort.


I just need to have time for that. I have the material that I need, and I will build it. I don't know technically, how this coil will helps, but I'm open mind and I'll try.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 10:20:23 PM

About the load, I tried 4 x 500 watts and it didn't work. With 2 x 500 watts, wasn't full bright..


Cheers
Ariovaldo


Hmm, so the equivalent of 10 x 100 watt light bulbs dimly.

Weill, I was only off by a factor of 2 or so.  :)

My SPICE sim is using a CEG rotor speed of 24,000.   I would say for your rotor speed of 2,800, you're doing well.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 30, 2014, 10:24:36 PM

Hmm, so the equivalent of 10 x 100 watt light bulbs dimly.

Weill, I was within an order of magnitude.  :)

My SPICE sim is using a CEG rotor speed of 24,000.   I would say for your rotor speed of 2,800, you're doing well.
Chosen of course because 24,000 RPM is 400 Hz. I would just love to see Robitaille's contraption spinning that fast, with its 0.001 inch clearances and its 28 kV output. I think I'll watch from behind you, though.

Those capacitors crack me up. I can tell he's never blown up a capacitor by overcharging it... yet. They are going to kill someone pretty soon if they keep clowning around with that thing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on April 30, 2014, 10:54:58 PM
Chosen of course because 24,000 RPM is 400 Hz. I would just love to see Robitaille's contraption spinning that fast, with its 0.001 inch clearances and its 28 kV output. I think I'll watch from behind you, though.

Those capacitors crack me up. I can tell he's never blown up a capacitor by overcharging it... yet. They are going to kill someone pretty soon if they keep clowning around with that thing.

In my FEMM analysis I used a 2 x 0.012" gap as shown in the manual.  I had wondered about that too. 

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 30, 2014, 11:14:31 PM
That's because the device is highly load dependent and therefore will be of no real multi-purpose practical use in a fixed resonant and directly output to load coupled condition. The energy needs to be transferred in pulses into an impedance matched load and subsequently stored in an accumulator for practical use via an inverter. However, getting to this stage adds complexity and cost and is only viable if an overall performance gain (COP>1) from can be confirmed by correct measurement.

I agree, I just tested my device same setup as my test 3 video (2 x 40w bulb in series) and added one extra 40w 120v bulb in series and nothing happens. There needs to be enough load (not too much resistance) for it to kick in.
One thing to note is, bulbs are good for this device as when resonance kicks in the bulb resistance rises and keeps the device under control. I tried it with a 78 Ohm 50w resistor instead of the bulbs and when resonance kicks in I get rotor lock up since the resistor is too fixed of a load. I then tried it with a 100 Ohm resistor and nothing happens (too much resistance for resonance to kick in)

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 30, 2014, 11:29:53 PM
All:

Note 0.010" of an inch is roughly the thickness of a sheet of paper.  There is not a chance that the QEG could be built to that dimensional size, not to mention 0.001" which is ridiculous.  If that's in the manual somewhere that's laughable.  Now notice saying "laughable" is not malicious bashing, it's simply a true statement.  Note we haven't even been discussing tolerances.

F_Brown,

I am not sure if you are simulating with ideal components or component models that include hidden parameters to make them "real world."  In reading your statements there is one thing I want to make clear about the switching of the inductance value, where you toggle back and forth between two values.  For starters that's a pretty cool trick that you are doing with the sim.  The big point is that just the act of dynamically switching the value of an inductor that's in a circuit in the "real time" of your simulation cannot be a source of energy.  It simply can't happen.  So I am not sure how you are getting increasing resonant oscillations in your simulation.

Here is something for your consideration, and I will assume we are working with ideal components here:  Your circuit is [12-volt battery] -> [2-ohm resistor] -> [ inductor(t)] ->  [Ground]

Let's say the inductor(t) toggles between 2 Henries and 4 Henries every 30 seconds.   What will the sim show?   How will it handle the abrupt change in the value of the inductance?  It's effectively a discontinuity in the value of the inductance, will the sim be able to cope with it?

Let's forget about the sim for a second and crunch it in our heads.  Let's assume ideal components.  Do you know what will happen when the inductance toggles in value?  It's an important question because if you do know then great, but if you aren't sure, then how can you be sure your sim is running correctly?

MileHigh 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on April 30, 2014, 11:52:41 PM
Here is a Spectrum Analysis of my MOT QEG test device.

Note that my rotor RPM is in the 1,500 RPM range... But my Electrical Resonance is in the 29Hz range.

My MOT Inductance swings from 6H to 12H and Resonating Capacitor is 2.5uf

From the Spectrum my test devices Mechanical Resonance is in the 225Hz range with a second peak in the 500Hz range.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 01, 2014, 12:04:12 AM
Okay as a follow-up to the previous comments about the fact that the toggling value of the inductance can not possibly be a source of energy, then what are you left with?

The answer is yes, the rotating rotor does indeed change the value of the inductance, but that is not what is ultimately driving the LC resonator and pumping power into it.

The reality is that at the same time this is happening, one can assume some temporary induced magnetism in the spinning rotor is *fighting* with the induced magnetism in the toroidal core.  That *fighting* is better known as Lenz drag.  During the rotor blade passes, there is a "North - North" type of induced magnetic repulsion happening that is against the turning of the rotor, and/or, there is a "North - South" type of magnetic attraction happening that is against the turning of the rotor.

This Lenz drag is the mechanical source of power that pumps up the LC resonator and puts more energy into it.

At the same time, this increased energy in the LC resonator gets pumped into the light bulb load via the magnetic coupling of the toroidal core.

Therefore, the ultimate cause for the Lenz drag is the light bulb load.

The proof of this was already shown in one of today's clips.   It's the part where you see the light bulbs brightening then going out, brightening then going out, roughly once per second.

What is that telling you?   It's telling you that the motor speeds up then the QEG hits LC resonance.  That makes the light bulbs light up.  That causes Lenz drag and the motor slows down.  The motor slowing down means you lose LC resonance.  Losing LC resonance means the light bulbs go out.  The light bulbs going out means the Lenz drag disappears.  The Lenz drag disappearing means the motor can start speeding up again.  And so on, and so on...

The proof of Lenz drag and going in and out of resonance is right there for all to see.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 01, 2014, 12:33:47 AM
Here is a Spectrum Analysis of my MOT QEG test device.

Note that my rotor RPM is in the 1,500 RPM range... But my Electrical Resonance is in the 29Hz range.

My MOT Inductance swings from 6H to 12H and Resonating Capacitor is 2.5uf

From the Spectrum my test devices Mechanical Resonance is in the 225Hz range with a second peak in the 500Hz range.

Luc

Heh.... 1500 RPM is 25 Hz. 25 x 29 is 725. 500 + 225 is.... 725. Numbers don't lie!


( but they do joke around a lot.)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 01, 2014, 01:36:26 AM
All:

Note 0.010" of an inch is roughly the thickness of a sheet of paper.  There is not a chance that the QEG could be built to that dimensional size, not to mention 0.001" which is ridiculous.  If that's in the manual somewhere that's laughable.  Now notice saying "laughable" is not malicious bashing, it's simply a true statement.  Note we haven't even been discussing tolerances.

F_Brown,

I am not sure if you are simulating with ideal components or component models that include hidden parameters to make them "real world."  In reading your statements there is one thing I want to make clear about the switching of the inductance value, where you toggle back and forth between two values.  For starters that's a pretty cool trick that you are doing with the sim.  The big point is that just the act of dynamically switching the value of an inductor that's in a circuit in the "real time" of your simulation cannot be a source of energy.  It simply can't happen.  So I am not sure how you are getting increasing resonant oscillations in your simulation.

Here is something for your consideration, and I will assume we are working with ideal components here:  Your circuit is [12-volt battery] -> [2-ohm resistor] -> [ inductor(t)] ->  [Ground]

Let's say the inductor(t) toggles between 2 Henries and 4 Henries every 30 seconds.   What will the sim show?   How will it handle the abrupt change in the value of the inductance?  It's effectively a discontinuity in the value of the inductance, will the sim be able to cope with it?

Let's forget about the sim for a second and crunch it in our heads.  Let's assume ideal components.  Do you know what will happen when the inductance toggles in value?  It's an important question because if you do know then great, but if you aren't sure, then how can you be sure your sim is running correctly?

MileHigh


In my sim the inductance parameter varies in a smooth, continuous, sine-wave manner, rather than a discontinuous step wise manner.  I read a paper on parametric excitation just enough to be able to model it.  I have yet to read it through enough to be able to discus how it build energy in the system.  I just know it does it does so in an exponential fashion.

The rest of the components what few there are, have real world parasitic values except for the cap.  The ESR of the capacitor I expect would be negligible small, especially if it was a high-quality film-foil cap.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 01, 2014, 03:19:51 AM
Thanks for the extra information.  The fact that you make the inductance value vary like a sine wave is very impressive, and of course it's presumably a much better approximation of what is taking place in the QEG than a step function.

When you switch to a variable mechanical inductor the answer as to what happens is essentially instantly available and seems obvious.  I already mentioned it.   Hint hint...  lol

Just for fun, let me see if I can get through doing it mathematically on 'paper.'   I am going to enter rarely visited waters...

The example circuit to analyze the problem is trivial - it's just an ideal inductor shorted by an ideal wire.

The formula for your inductance as a function of time:

L(t) =  (sin(omega * t) +2)     [inductance varies between 1 and 3 Henries]   Note - I am avoiding a divide-by-zero problem

Let's define the initial conditions and use something simple to illustrate the problem:  When the inductance is 3 henries, say the current is 5 amps.   That means you have 37.5 joules stored in the coil under these conditions.

Everything is ideal, so no energy is lost.   We just need to solve for the current as a function of inductance.  Since the inductance also varies with time, you effectively are also solving for the current as a function of time.   The voltage across the coil is always zero, and that may help us to simplify things.

Let's take a peek at how things look when the inductance is 1 henry.  You still have to have 37.5 joules stored in the inductor therefore the current has to be:

E = 1/2 L I^2
I^2 = 2E/L
I = sqrt(2E/L)

Therefore when L = 1 henry,  i = 8.66 amps.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 01, 2014, 03:57:07 AM
Okay, so...

We are looking for i(l(t)),  the current as a function of the time-varying inductance....   And we know that the energy stored in the time-varying inductance is a constant.   We also know that the voltage is always zero.

l(t) =  (sin(omega * t) +2)

dl(t)/dt = omega * (cos (omega * t))       [not needed]

E = 1/2 L i^2

37.5 = 1/2 * (sin(omega * t) +2) * I^2

75 = (sin(omega * t) + 2) * I^2

i^2 = 75/(sin(omega * t) + 2)

i(t) = sqrt((75/(sin(omega * t) + 2))    - [equation for the current as a function of time]

Let's try punching in the values:

When the inductance is 3 henries, i = 5 amps, that checks out.

When the inductance is 1 henry, i = 8.66 amps, that checks out.

However, I still haven't solved for i(l), the current as a function of inductance,  and I am too tired now.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 01, 2014, 04:07:03 AM
Walk along with  me to the playground. Now you are pushing a child on a swing. You push gently and the child moves up, and back. Each time the swing comes back, you give it another gentle push. The swing swings higher and even higher, but you notice that the intervals between pushes are always the same. Tick tock, another little push, the child goes higher and higher and begins to cry a little. Look! You know your physics and you know that the higher something is, the greater its _potential_ energy, and you know that if something travels further in the same time interval it must be going faster, and you know that the faster something goes the greater its _kinetic_ energy. But you have only been giving precisely timed little gentle pushes!

What is going on here? You are storing energy in a resonant system of high Q. The resonant frequency is determined by the length of the ropes holding the saddle of the swing... nothing else. The system is "integrating" the small gentle low-power pushes into a lot of stored energy. This energy is "circulating" in the same way that reactive power circulates in an RLC circuit. If the R is low and other factors favorable, the system won't dissipate this energy and it will build up and build up. As long as your gentle pushes are replacing the losses on a per-cycle basis, the energy will continue to build and build, until something breaks. When that something breaks, _all_ the stored energy is released, things break or explode or the child goes flying through the air. But you only ever fed it those gentle pushes that could never break anything!

Now it should be clear that you can take real power out of such a system only at a rate equal to your gentle pushing, if you want to keep it at a high energy state. Take out energy faster than it is being put in, and the amplitude of the resonant oscillations will decay... to use a technical term.

 :-\ :'( :-[

 :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 01, 2014, 04:25:07 AM
Thanks for the extra information.  The fact that you make the inductance value vary like a sine wave is very impressive, and of course it's presumably a much better approximation of what is taking place in the QEG than a step function.

When you switch to a variable mechanical inductor the answer as to what happens is essentially instantly available and seems obvious.  I already mentioned it.   Hint hint...  lol

Just for fun, let me see if I can get through doing it mathematically on 'paper.'   I am going to enter rarely visited waters...

The example circuit to analyze the problem is trivial - it's just an ideal inductor shorted by an ideal wire.

The formula for your inductance as a function of time:

L(t) =  (sin(omega * t) +2)     [inductance varies between 1 and 3 Henries]   Note - I am avoiding a divide-by-zero problem

Let's define the initial conditions and use something simple to illustrate the problem:  When the inductance is 3 henries, say the current is 5 amps.   That means you have 37.5 joules stored in the coil under these conditions.

Everything is ideal, so no energy is lost.   We just need to solve for the current as a function of inductance.  Since the inductance also varies with time, you effectively are also solving for the current as a function of time.   The voltage across the coil is always zero, and that may help us to simplify things.

Let's take a peek at how things look when the inductance is 1 henry.  You still have to have 37.5 joules stored in the inductor therefore the current has to be:

E = 1/2 L I^2
I^2 = 2E/L
I = sqrt(2E/L)

Therefore when L = 1 henry,  i = 8.66 amps.

You sort of have the time function right, although you have to keep in mind that parametric excitation only works for some thing like a tank circuit.  So, shorting the coil may be counter productive to elucidating the workings of the phenomenon.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 01, 2014, 04:57:56 AM
Inductance is perhaps not a very convenient parameter here for evaluating energy.  You may be better off using a B element to integrate MMF and flux density. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 01, 2014, 07:34:18 AM
Link to post will be at top: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/323-possible-rotor-construction-in-witts-generator#1296
Can this be confirmed?  Exciter coil is only needed for the first couple of weeks.  I am looking for the audio conference of this statement.  I only see the manual 3-25-2014 instruct to adjust the spark gap every few weeks.

How would that translate into hours?  A weeks time of 5,10,15 hours a day?  The manual where it states the exciter coil is used to conduct power from the quantum zero point into the core and this produces the over unity.  If exciter could be removed then what pray tell what would be the majority of the power production? 

I have yet to see a quantum exciter coil in the Morocco setup.  This is that very thing separating the QEG from any other contemporary generators.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 01, 2014, 09:10:55 AM
Miles,

Pardon the short reply today, I was working on this.  Although first I made some images for you.  The first shows the parametric excitation in relation to the voltage across one primary at the onset of resonance.  The second is part of what I was working on today.  I tried to use FEMM in combination with my QEG SPICE model to calculate the torque on the rotor as a function of rotor angle through one full revolution.  After about 18 hours of work, I managed to generate a graph and integrate the area under the cure to get a total torque figure.  First off it's way too big, although it is interesting that it shows more area under the negative side than it does on the positive side. 

Anyway, here is my methodology in case someone can figure out where I went wrong.

My presumptions:

The peak inductance in the QEG corresponds to when the rotor is lined up with the stator poles.

I used the SPICE model to generate a graph of parametrically varied primary inductance vs primary current. (see image below).  I decided to try to generate a bunch of data points from peak inductance to peak inductance.  One half rotation of the rotor.  This is all that is necessary because of the symmetry of the device.  Basically that would be data would be every 2.5 degrees of the rotation and  indicate the primary current at the moment.

I then put each current data point into a DC FEMM analysis and get a torque figure for the rotor at that position and primary current.

After all that I put the torque figures into my numerical analysis application graphed the numbers and integrated the area under the curve(see image below).

It seems to me the torque figures are excessively high.  It integrated to some -304 N m for the total.  I think that means if the a big enough flywheel was attached to the QEG and it was put into motion, it would accelerate all by itself.  This much be wrong. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on May 01, 2014, 10:07:05 AM


I have yet to see a quantum exciter coil in the Morocco setup.  This is that very thing separating the QEG from any other contemporary generators.

The Morocco QEG may have been pre-primed with the exciter before the video of its operation was filmed.  :-\

I imagine that once everyone has spent out on the expensive kit of parts, or ready built QEG, maybe the next step could be to loan out the special black-box exciter - ambient energy collector - for a couple of weeks to each builder. This would prime each machine for OU operation on the proviso that the operating instructions must be very carefully followed. The loan of this special piece of equipment would presumably be at a cost, maybe a donation to the Hope organisation.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 01, 2014, 12:05:12 PM
Link to post will be at top: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/323-possible-rotor-construction-in-witts-generator#1296 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/323-possible-rotor-construction-in-witts-generator#1296)
Can this be confirmed?  Exciter coil is only needed for the first couple of weeks.  I am looking for the audio conference of this statement.  I only see the manual 3-25-2014 instruct to adjust the spark gap every few weeks.

How would that translate into hours?  A weeks time of 5,10,15 hours a day?  The manual where it states the exciter coil is used to conduct power from the quantum zero point into the core and this produces the over unity.  If exciter could be removed then what pray tell what would be the majority of the power production? 

I have yet to see a quantum exciter coil in the Morocco setup.  This is that very thing separating the QEG from any other contemporary generators.

Have you seen a quantum exciter coil somewhere else? Please enlighten me.

The only separation happening in the QEG is people being separated from their money.

Does the manual explain just _how_ the Quantum Exciter Coil conducts power from the Quantum Zero Point into the core? Does it even define the Quantum Zero Point? What the heck is a Quantum Zero Point anyway?

There is a real meaning to "zero point energy" but apparently none of these people know what that meaning actually is, and there is no hope whatsoever that WhateverGirl and Robitaille will get anywhere close to conditions that would allow exploitation of it.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 01, 2014, 12:08:21 PM
The Morocco QEG may have been pre-primed with the exciter before the video of its operation was filmed.  :-\

I imagine that once everyone has spent out on the expensive kit of parts, or ready built QEG, maybe the next step could be to loan out the special black-box exciter - ambient energy collector - for a couple of weeks to each builder. This would prime each machine for OU operation on the proviso that the operating instructions must be very carefully followed. The loan of this special piece of equipment would presumably be at a cost, maybe a donation to the Hope organisation.

Insert ROFL here!
How about we wait until Robitaille and WhateverGirl report and demonstrate a self-running machine? Then we can worry about sending them here and there around the world with a special secret Quantum Vibrator to hump-start everyone else's non-self-runners.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 01, 2014, 01:21:36 PM
So far the demonstration tour has failed to demonstrate a working unit.  How much more of this is to go on before people start demanding evidence that they can deliver on their extraordinary claims?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on May 01, 2014, 07:55:41 PM
Heh.... 1500 RPM is 25 Hz. 25 x 29 is 725. 500 + 225 is.... 725. Numbers don't lie!


( but they do joke around a lot.)

I know why the numbers don't add up. You have ignored the word range... if you use those numbers it won't add up correctly. I cannot measure my rotor RPM since my test device is in a closed box, so I used approximate numbers and knowing this I added the word range.

One thing I can tell you is my variable frequency drive controller was set at 58.2Hz during the spectrum analysis test. What exact RPM my motor was able to turn the rotor at considering friction losses?  I don't know and not about to open the protective cover to find out when I know my I cores are only holding to the rotor with Epoxy.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 01, 2014, 09:55:18 PM
So far the demonstration tour has failed to demonstrate a working unit.  How much more of this is to go on before people start demanding evidence that they can deliver on their extraordinary claims?

If Yildiz and Keshe done it this long I suspect QEG will go for quite some time.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 01, 2014, 10:06:17 PM
I know why the numbers don't add up. You have ignored the word range... if you use those numbers it won't add up correctly. I cannot measure my rotor RPM since my test device is in a closed box, so I used approximate numbers and knowing this I added the word range.

One thing I can tell you is my variable frequency drive controller was set at 58.2Hz during the spectrum analysis test. What exact RPM my motor was able to turn the rotor at considering friction losses?  I don't know and not about to open the protective cover to find out when I know my I cores are only holding to the rotor with Epoxy.

Luc
Calm down!
I just noticed the interesting coincidence in the numbers...which as you see _do_ add up just the way I put them in my post. It's an example of how forgetting or not including the units (Hz, V, A, s, etc.)  in a calculation can lead to meaningless results that _look_ like they are significant. A highbrow kind of joke it is. You didn't put them together that way... I did! I am not criticizing or objecting to your work, you know I trust you to do the right things.

You can, and should, make an optical tachometer measurement of your rotating parts. It is easy to be fooled by either electrical or optical measurements alone, with certain kinds of rotating assemblies.
Even just a photodiode/LED pair looking at a mark on a shaft, monitored by a scope channel or even the DMM's "frequency" function, would be a good crosscheck on electrical measurements of rotation.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on May 01, 2014, 11:25:52 PM
Calm down!
I just noticed the interesting coincidence in the numbers...which as you see _do_ add up just the way I put them in my post. It's an example of how forgetting or not including the units (Hz, V, A, s, etc.)  in a calculation can lead to meaningless results that _look_ like they are significant. A highbrow kind of joke it is. You didn't put them together that way... I did! I am not criticizing or objecting to your work, you know I trust you to do the right things.

You can, and should, make an optical tachometer measurement of your rotating parts. It is easy to be fooled by either electrical or optical measurements alone, with certain kinds of rotating assemblies.
Even just a photodiode/LED pair looking at a mark on a shaft, monitored by a scope channel or even the DMM's "frequency" function, would be a good crosscheck on electrical measurements of rotation.

Okay, no problem

here's a 1 ohm shunt power scope shot of the two 40w 120v bulbs in series on the mot hv coils at stable resonance.

The input power to frequency drive controller is 104 watts and frequency is set to 58.1Hz. This gives an electrical frequency of 28.4Hz  and about 2.5 watts of power is dissipated in the bulbs.
If I open the circuit then the power to the drive drops to 90 watts.

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on May 01, 2014, 11:39:43 PM
Quote
Excuse me, if I have a primary and a secondary, 10 KWh of electricity and a cos phi of 0,9999, is there theoricaly approximately 20000 jouls of heat in each second if we count the two circuits?

Finally an answer in another site, phew.

Thus, primary and secondary apparently not produce heat if almost all of the energy is transmitted, only the charge product it, so my reasoning was not correct.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: herm on May 02, 2014, 01:02:20 AM
Greetings:
I am new to this site and am reposting the following which I have already posted on the QEG be-do.com site.
I am attaching two pdf documents.  Please read them in the following order:

1st pdf attachment (our first attempt to reverse engineer the QEG)
this posting
2nd pdf attachment (a description of our construction of a 1/4 scale version of the QEG)


Resonance Achieved!!
Development and Test of Mini-QEG
In this note, Mark and I (George, aka Herm), both electrical engineers continue into our investigation of the operating principals of the QEG. 
In our first PDF note, we reverse engineered the design of the QEG to the best of our abilities without having an actual working unit to test.  Since obtaining a full-sized core will take some time, we decided to build a smaller test device.  Our first attempt was revealed in a note describing a core fabricated from a metal tape-wound toroid with machined, clamp-on pole pieces.  This approach proved unusable because testing revealed the lack of sufficient magnetic coupling to the toroid to allow inductive modulation.  During the test, we discovered an unexpected 16 Mhz signal on the core resonance winding.  It was later discovered that this signal was emanating from the arcing of the DC motor carbon brushes.   The signal was being picked up by the core windings acting as a magnetic loop antenna.  We issued a note when this was discovered and then abandoned study of this device and constructed a new Mini-QEG.
Later, upon further contemplation, we realized that a signal of this type may have been used in the original QEG to energize the "exciter coil".  In the larger (1 HP) motor, brush arcing would produce a lower frequency signal, possibly around 1 Mhz.    The resonant "exciter coil" would pick up the signal and develop enough voltage to fire the spark gap providing a current pulse to the output winding thus polarizing the core and helping to initiate core resonance.  This possibility was demonstrated by firing a charged capacitor into the output winding of the operating mini-QEG producing a much larger output.  This effect could also be produced by using a bar magnet with one pole facing the shaft end of the mini-QEG effectively jump starting phase-locked resonance.  This resonance would continue after magnet removal.
See attached PDF  for details, schematics, and photos.
 



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 02, 2014, 01:13:30 AM
If Yildiz and Keshe done it this long I suspect QEG will go for quite some time.
Sadly, there is a long list of people who have gotten away with making such unsubstantiated claims for many years.  I recently saw where that long time fanciful story teller Mark Goldes has nearly verbatim applied his old magnetic generator schtick to his bull shit ambient heat harvester claims.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 02, 2014, 01:34:09 AM
Thank you George AKA Herm...you da man.

Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 02, 2014, 02:46:22 AM
Greetings:
I am new to this site and am reposting the following which I have already posted on the QEG be-do.com site.
I am attaching two pdf documents.  Please read them in the following order:

1st pdf attachment (our first attempt to reverse engineer the QEG)
this posting
2nd pdf attachment (a description of our construction of a 1/4 scale version of the QEG)


Resonance Achieved!!
Development and Test of Mini-QEG
In this note, Mark and I (George, aka Herm), both electrical engineers continue into our investigation of the operating principals of the QEG. 
In our first PDF note, we reverse engineered the design of the QEG to the best of our abilities without having an actual working unit to test.  Since obtaining a full-sized core will take some time, we decided to build a smaller test device.  Our first attempt was revealed in a note describing a core fabricated from a metal tape-wound toroid with machined, clamp-on pole pieces.  This approach proved unusable because testing revealed the lack of sufficient magnetic coupling to the toroid to allow inductive modulation.  During the test, we discovered an unexpected 16 Mhz signal on the core resonance winding.  It was later discovered that this signal was emanating from the arcing of the DC motor carbon brushes.   The signal was being picked up by the core windings acting as a magnetic loop antenna.  We issued a note when this was discovered and then abandoned study of this device and constructed a new Mini-QEG.
Later, upon further contemplation, we realized that a signal of this type may have been used in the original QEG to energize the "exciter coil".  In the larger (1 HP) motor, brush arcing would produce a lower frequency signal, possibly around 1 Mhz.    The resonant "exciter coil" would pick up the signal and develop enough voltage to fire the spark gap providing a current pulse to the output winding thus polarizing the core and helping to initiate core resonance.  This possibility was demonstrated by firing a charged capacitor into the output winding of the operating mini-QEG producing a much larger output.  This effect could also be produced by using a bar magnet with one pole facing the shaft end of the mini-QEG effectively jump starting phase-locked resonance.  This resonance would continue after magnet removal.
See attached PDF  for details, schematics, and photos.


Thank you. You guys are the reason why we should not dismiss everything we think we've already been taught!
Keep up the great work - hopefully we'll see whether the QEG has real merits.


cheers,
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 02, 2014, 06:07:40 AM
Captain Zero and ChrisC,

We have to get real, whether that be on the debunking side of the equation or that be on supporting side of the equation.

What that means is this:  If you endorse something as a bare minimum that should mean that you read through the material and understand it to a reasonable extent and have rendered your honest opinion about the material.

What that should not mean is this:  You endorse anything that is positive with respect to something even if you don't understand it.

When you guys say, "you da man" or "keep up the great work" you make it sound like you guys know what George and Mark are discussing in their papers.

I don't think either of you guys know or understand what is being discussed in those papers based on a large number of your previous postings.  So you are being cheerleaders without understanding the rules of the football game.

If you are going to cheerlead, then don't mislead.  If you said something like "I don't understand it but you da man" then that would be a more honest statement.  We can't go around misleading the readers now, can we?

I am not even directly discussing what is being said in the papers, I am making a generic point that is a very important issue.

I hope that you get it.  Let's not drown ourselves in B.S. and become an equally bad mirror image of your many alleged false fronts and fifth columns and paid shills.  Be truthful in your comments, and that truth must include being truthful about yourselves.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 02, 2014, 06:13:19 AM
Hey Milehigh:


I don't have a Mile High ego. I'm a Electrical Engineer/ software engineer and a inventor who sold my own patents for $ you cannot even imagined. So, can we just leave it at that. What I write to encourage others is none of your business. You can write all kinds of crap and that's what you do best. Keep on doing it. Stay out of thinking on my behalf.


cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 02, 2014, 06:17:57 AM
@MH

The man presents himself well (take note)...claims he has resonance...who says he doesn't ?

Not you...but yet you dismiss it as BS.

Do you actually read what you write on here ?

I don't think you know or understand what is being discussed in those papers based on a large number of your previous postings. 

So you are booing from the sidelines without understanding the rules of the football game.

Oy vey...

Regards...


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 02, 2014, 06:33:49 AM
Hey Milehigh:

I don't have a Mile High ego. I'm a Electrical Engineer/ software engineer and a inventor who sold my own patents for $ you cannot even imagined. So, can we just leave it at that. What I write to encourage others is none of your business. You can write all kinds of crap and that's what you do best. Keep on doing it. Stay out of thinking on my behalf.

cheers
chrisC

ChrisC,

I don't believe you and let's leave it at that.  What I have consistently observed from you are postings alleging that I don't know what I am talking about when the truth is for the most part I do know what I am talking about and when I am not sure of what I am talking about I readily admit it.  So I interpret your postings about me as just pure sour grapes.  You propagandize about me and lie about my qualifications and I have to assume that it's obvious to many people.  So if you lie about me, and you do it repeatedly, why should anyone believe you when you say you are an electrical engineer with many patents that made you rich?  I can't recall a single sound technical posting from you, which would be very strange if you claim that you are an engineer.  Look at your quoted posting, where you state that I "write all kinds of crap."  In my opinion that's just sour grapes from a free energy enthusiast that has no technical background.  I stand by my opinion that you just made a mindless cheerleading posting about the two papers.

And I am the real (ex) engineer, and you have read many of my postings and I am pretty sure that you realize that.  So no more silly sour-grapes comments from the peanut gallery from you like, "You can write all kinds of crap and that's what you do best."  That's pure B.S.  Get over it and just be real.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 02, 2014, 06:38:37 AM
" ChrisC,

I don't believe you and let's leave it at that.  "



But he didn't, did he...he never does.

Hey everybody, I think I have just discovered free energy...this guy is looped.

Regards...


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 02, 2014, 06:41:50 AM
Captain Zero,

Quoting you parroting me:

Quote
I don't think you know or understand what is being discussed in those papers based on a large number of your previous postings. 

So you are booing from the sidelines without understanding the rules of the football game.

I haven't even commented on either of those postings, yet you play your "Repartee for Dummies" game again.  Plus in your parroting you are lying also.

What a joke.

That's the end of it, I won't spar with either of you any more in this thread.  I made the point that for both of you, you were mindlessly cheerleading.  That's just being an unpaid shill for your longing for free energy.  Wouldn't it be nice if one day the free energy dream comes true.  However, unpaid shilling to promote free energy will not help the cause.  Rather, it will hurt the cause.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 02, 2014, 06:45:37 AM
ChrisC,

I don't believe you and let's leave it at that. ...
MileHigh


Good for you. There are things in life you'll never understand. You try so so hard to write so much crap or half truths and you are so convinced to believe that others are equally impressed by the 'volumes' of your postings. Very sad. It's like this. In software the least amount of code you write to solve the problem the better is the quality of software. So, you're a 'ex-engineer'. I presumed your 'technical' knowledge is not too good and no one wants to employ an old engineer? Especially one that talks too much crap? Truth?
As to my qualifications and success - these things are more real than you have brain cells. But you are not in the position to know either. So, you'll just have to keep guessing.


cheers,
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 02, 2014, 06:51:38 AM
ChrisC,

So you want to puff out your chest?   I challenge you right now, no Google, in your own words, write out six full paragraphs that describe how a coil works and two more paragraphs explaining how coils and capacitors are actually very very similar.

Let's see if you are FoS or not.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 02, 2014, 06:54:10 AM
ChrisC,

So you want to puff out you chest?   I challenge you right now, no Google, in your own words, write out six full paragraphs that describe how a coil works and two more paragraphs explaining how coils and capacitors are actually very very similar.

Let's see if you are FoS or not.

MileHigh


Get a life man. Not only do you write crap and talk too much, you're also childish. Try to learn something solid instead.
cheers
chrisC

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 02, 2014, 06:56:42 AM
According to all rigidly conventional minds in the electrical field this QEG will not work.

I am sure there are many sites populated by these 'conventional minds'...that is where they belong - not  here, on an 'out of the box' thinking forum.

Unless they are here to derail topical discussion, what purpose do they serve ?

Regards...


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 02, 2014, 06:56:57 AM
ChrisC:  Thank you for confirming that you are FoS.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 02, 2014, 07:20:45 AM
Greetings:
I am new to this site and am reposting the following which I have already posted on the QEG be-do.com site.
I am attaching two pdf documents.  Please read them in the following order:

1st pdf attachment (our first attempt to reverse engineer the QEG)
this posting
2nd pdf attachment (a description of our construction of a 1/4 scale version of the QEG)


Resonance Achieved!!
Development and Test of Mini-QEG
In this note, Mark and I (George, aka Herm), both electrical engineers continue into our investigation of the operating principals of the QEG. 
In our first PDF note, we reverse engineered the design of the QEG to the best of our abilities without having an actual working unit to test.  Since obtaining a full-sized core will take some time, we decided to build a smaller test device.  Our first attempt was revealed in a note describing a core fabricated from a metal tape-wound toroid with machined, clamp-on pole pieces.  This approach proved unusable because testing revealed the lack of sufficient magnetic coupling to the toroid to allow inductive modulation.  During the test, we discovered an unexpected 16 Mhz signal on the core resonance winding.  It was later discovered that this signal was emanating from the arcing of the DC motor carbon brushes.   The signal was being picked up by the core windings acting as a magnetic loop antenna.  We issued a note when this was discovered and then abandoned study of this device and constructed a new Mini-QEG.
Later, upon further contemplation, we realized that a signal of this type may have been used in the original QEG to energize the "exciter coil".  In the larger (1 HP) motor, brush arcing would produce a lower frequency signal, possibly around 1 Mhz.    The resonant "exciter coil" would pick up the signal and develop enough voltage to fire the spark gap providing a current pulse to the output winding thus polarizing the core and helping to initiate core resonance.  This possibility was demonstrated by firing a charged capacitor into the output winding of the operating mini-QEG producing a much larger output.  This effect could also be produced by using a bar magnet with one pole facing the shaft end of the mini-QEG effectively jump starting phase-locked resonance.  This resonance would continue after magnet removal.
See attached PDF  for details, schematics, and photos.

From PDF QEG v2_2, "James Robitaille stated that the exciter is not necessary for the basic operation of the QEG; therefore,
we omitted it from this analysis."  What defines basic operation?  Is this power produced on the output coil with COP < 1, or resonance regardless of any production of power?

Now if basic operation is to mean functions as a switched reluctance generator (SRG), then I would say yes the exciter is not needed other than to place a small initial remanence magnetism in the core.  Where does more out than in fit into this claim?  I wonder if experimenters will continue to reinvent the wheel by producing power from a device that long since has be patented and used.

I have no doubt the QEG would produce power as an SR generator, there is no mysticism about them. 
Any one know what component of the released manual takes this particular generator a step further from a COP < 1 to a COP ~= 10?  The cap bank, the exciter, the 1.5 inch unit dimension of the construction?  Surely the QEG team or at least the inventor should know what the special component is and should just come out and say it and be done with the mysticism.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 02, 2014, 07:26:33 AM
George and Mark:

Sorry for the side debate but I think that we all have to be real, and reminded of that from time to time.

I screen capped your equation on the EMF generation and it is attached to this posting.

For starters, why are you calling it "Energy" or "Energy transfer?"  It looks like it's an equation for EMF generation.  I have to read your second paper a few more times and it's late now.  Permit me to make a few more comments/questions just the same.

There is the resonating primary inductance (two coils), and the output secondary (also two coils.)  Your equation would be clearer if you define if you are talking about the primaries or secondaries for the currents, voltages, and inductance values.

I am not comfortable with your parametric coupling term (i * dL/dt).   I am assuming that you are talking about the primary inductance because the primary inductance is not constant.  When you state "i" I am also assuming that you are talking about the primary current.  The problem is that the primary current "i" is also a function of the primary inductance and the time phase of the LC resonator.  The way the equation is written it appears that you are treating the current "i" as a constant.

Sorry for all the issues raised, but if you are basing your discussion on that formula it needs to be clear and the derivation of that formula could use more explanation.

My argument is that the act of somehow varying the primary inductance itself is not a mechanism to produce power.  It's the "background" process where within all that LC resonant stuff going on, you still have conventional mechanical-to-electrical generation taking place and the associated back-torque on the motor due to Lenz drag.  I think you also state that in your paper.

Thanks,

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 02, 2014, 07:34:13 AM
According to all rigidly conventional minds in the electrical field this QEG will not work.

I am sure there are many sites populated by these 'conventional minds'...that is where they belong - not  here, on an 'out of the box' thinking forum.

Unless they are here to derail topical discussion, what purpose do they serve ?

Regards...

Will not work as claimed, 10x power out than in?  As it stands QEG has all the bells and whistles of a parametric generator.  PGs do work.  Illuminating light bulbs does not = more out than in.  A hand cracked generator can turn on a few bulbs but can you make it crank on its one without the hand.  You see that is the underlying question and has yet to be clearly demonstrated. 

I hope you don't think those who question the QEG deny that it actually provides power.  I for one want to know which of the off the shelf parts or arrangement there of is responsible for the claimed excess power.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 02, 2014, 07:41:30 AM
I remain positively optomistic, with an open mind.

Mindful of the fact that free energy will come via out of the box thinking.

I am very suspicious of the motives of people who continually and incessantly disrupt the free flow of tropical discussion by interjecting conventional electrical dogma.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 02, 2014, 08:01:52 AM
Before I go to bed I have a final thought for you Captain Zero,

Quoting you:

Quote
I am very suspicious of the motives of people who continually and incessantly disrupt the free flow of tropical discussion by interjecting conventional electrical dogma.

For starters, debating and discussing technical points is not disrupting.  But more importantly, every single circuit I have ever seen presented on forums like this one behave according to "conventional electric dogma."  Do you get that?  Just because someone says it's so for his 'magic' circuit doesn't necessarily mean it's so.  Look at all of the Akula devices, it's the same pattern yet again.  "Conventional electric dogma" is what is real, and that's what's been staring you in the face for years.

It's like you and your counterparts have a co-dependent symbiotic relationship going on and it's not healthy.  You have the hoaxers and/or the obsessive-compulsives putting button batteries into circuits and making YouTube clips on one side, and the chronic believers that just want and need to believe on the other side.  Then there is a third angle, the criminal element that sees this taking place and they want in on the action to monetize it.

You desperately need people to give you a dose of "dogma" because the busted obsessive-compulsives then need to regroup and come up with another clip.  On second thought, it almost sounds like we are in the loop also.

Stop pretending circuits are "unconventional" until they are properly vetted.  There are no unconventional circuits on the horizon and there may never be.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 02, 2014, 08:16:01 AM
I have stated numerous times (and this guy continually pretends he missed it) that all these redirects by closed minds, in a discussion among the open minded here serves only to discourage otheres from attempting a replication, where they may potentially stumble upon a break through, which also happens to be how most break throughs are discovered.

But that process isn't so likely to properly develop amid the constant negative interruptions.

But noooo, he is helping the dumb replicators here, to save their hard earned money...horray!

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: rc3po on May 02, 2014, 11:40:25 AM
@All,
I'm in no way an expert on these matters. I've been seriously learning electronics and computers for about 14 months now. I recently started learning about MC's. And I'm interested in Zero Point/Free Energy Devices and such.
But don't even try to show me dark/blurry pictures & videos of some device and expect me to take you seriously.lol
It's about the same as someone saying, "I've found Bigfoot!", and then showing me some blurry pictures!
It's the same with too many wires going all over the place, or things cluttering up the space that aren't germane to the subject. Component leads on their breadboard twisted up and looking like tree limbs in a horror flick. That tells me you're hiding something.
If you want intelligent people to take you seriously, then show some clean, well-lit, uncluttered, good quality pictures and videos or you will go on my "suspect", list.
This comment is meant to be on the subject in general and not directed at this thread in particular.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on May 02, 2014, 12:05:36 PM
@All,
I'm in no way an expert on these matters. I've been seriously learning electronics and computers for about 14 months now. I recently started learning about MC's. And I'm interested in Zero Point/Free Energy Devices and such.
But don't even try to show me dark/blurry pictures & videos of some device and expect me to take you seriously.lol
It's about the same as someone saying, "I've found Bigfoot!", and then showing me some blurry pictures!
It's the same with too many wires going all over the place, or things cluttering up the space that aren't germane to the subject. Component leads on their breadboard twisted up and looking like tree limbs in a horror flick. That tells me you're hiding something.
If you want intelligent people to take you seriously, then show some clean, well-lit, uncluttered, good quality pictures and videos or you will go on my "suspect", list.
This comment is meant to be on the subject in general and not directed at this thread in particular.

Excellent comments!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: herm on May 02, 2014, 01:32:30 PM
From PDF QEG v2_2, "James Robitaille stated that the exciter is not necessary for the basic operation of the QEG; therefore,
we omitted it from this analysis."  What defines basic operation?  Is this power produced on the output coil with COP < 1, or resonance regardless of any production of power?

Now if basic operation is to mean functions as a switched reluctance generator (SRG), then I would say yes the exciter is not needed other than to place a small initial remanence magnetism in the core.  Where does more out than in fit into this claim?  I wonder if experimenters will continue to reinvent the wheel by producing power from a device that long since has be patented and used.

I have no doubt the QEG would produce power as an SR generator, there is no mysticism about them. 
Any one know what component of the released manual takes this particular generator a step further from a COP < 1 to a COP ~= 10?  The cap bank, the exciter, the 1.5 inch unit dimension of the construction?  Surely the QEG team or at least the inventor should know what the special component is and should just come out and say it and be done with the mysticism.

By basic operation, I mean producing output power and phase-locked resonance taking place but not necessarily COP >1.  My purpose in this endeavor is to discover all of the conventional operating principles of this device which will lead me to uncovering the unconventional aspects of its operation. To my knowledge, no one knows how COP >1 occurs in this device , if indeed it does.  In an SRG the switched reluctance usually gates a source of magnetic field, either electro-magnetic or permanent, to the generating coil.  This device does not have this characteristic.  I believe that there may not be a mysterious or mystical source of energy leading to overunity in this device and it may prove to be a result of reduction of back MMF.  The reality of this is yet to be proven.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on May 02, 2014, 05:03:24 PM
Now I'm off to try to figure out how to get FEMM to verify that.

Did you use Lua scripting to get FEMM to generate that nice graphic?

@F_Brown

Been out for a few days. Kind of insane how quickly pages get added to this thread. Have some catching up to do...

Regarding your question, I use the Octave/Lua interface for FEMM, so the graph is automated (192points). In FEMM, just define a surface around the rotor with the borderline in the air gap and use the steady-state weighted stress sensor torque. Just make sure there is air on both sides of your defined integration surface for the weighted stress sensor method.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: steveyj on May 02, 2014, 05:48:00 PM
Hi,

My name is Steven Jones, I'm an entrepreneur based of out the Dallas Fort Worth area.
I'm looking to put together a research and development team for the purposes of creating a hybrid QEGs.
All personal will be required to work in Dallas, TX for a minimum of 12 months maximum of 36 months.

The following positions are needed:

(2) Senior Electrical Engineers - 90K year
(4) Junior Engineers - 60k year

(1) Senior Software Developer (C++) 90k year
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All supplies and equipment will be provided or ordered if deemed necessary by senior personnel.
* Medical benefits are also included.

Please PM me personally with your resume if interested.

Thanks,

Steven

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: herm on May 02, 2014, 06:29:01 PM
George and Mark:

Sorry for the side debate but I think that we all have to be real, and reminded of that from time to time.

I screen capped your equation on the EMF generation and it is attached to this posting.

For starters, why are you calling it "Energy" or "Energy transfer?"  It looks like it's an equation for EMF generation.  I have to read your second paper a few more times and it's late now.  Permit me to make a few more comments/questions just the same.

There is the resonating primary inductance (two coils), and the output secondary (also two coils.)  Your equation would be clearer if you define if you are talking about the primaries or secondaries for the currents, voltages, and inductance values.

I am not comfortable with your parametric coupling term (i * dL/dt).   I am assuming that you are talking about the primary inductance because the primary inductance is not constant.  When you state "i" I am also assuming that you are talking about the primary current.  The problem is that the primary current "i" is also a function of the primary inductance and the time phase of the LC resonator.  The way the equation is written it appears that you are treating the current "i" as a constant.

Sorry for all the issues raised, but if you are basing your discussion on that formula it needs to be clear and the derivation of that formula could use more explanation.

My argument is that the act of somehow varying the primary inductance itself is not a mechanism to produce power.  It's the "background" process where within all that LC resonant stuff going on, you still have conventional mechanical-to-electrical generation taking place and the associated back-torque on the motor due to Lenz drag.  I think you also state that in your paper.

Thanks,

MileHigh

You are correct the E in the " energy transfer equation" does stand for emf or voltage and only indirectly indicates energy or
power (instantaneous voltage times current) capability. I am talking about the resonating primary inductance coils. As both
L and i are variables in time, taking the derivative of their product is covered by the chain rule which expands to the two terms
to the right of the equal sign. I contend that in this device the primary energy transfer from mechanical to electrical is by
parametric means and only incidentally thru normal induction, such as during starting. Since all magnetic fields are AC in this device, its components tend to loose any residual magnetism during operation.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 02, 2014, 07:37:31 PM
George and Mark:

Sorry for the side debate but I think that we all have to be real, and reminded of that from time to time.

I screen capped your equation on the EMF generation and it is attached to this posting.

For starters, why are you calling it "Energy" or "Energy transfer?"  It looks like it's an equation for EMF generation.  I have to read your second paper a few more times and it's late now.  Permit me to make a few more comments/questions just the same.

There is the resonating primary inductance (two coils), and the output secondary (also two coils.)  Your equation would be clearer if you define if you are talking about the primaries or secondaries for the currents, voltages, and inductance values.

I am not comfortable with your parametric coupling term (i * dL/dt).   I am assuming that you are talking about the primary inductance because the primary inductance is not constant.  When you state "i" I am also assuming that you are talking about the primary current.  The problem is that the primary current "i" is also a function of the primary inductance and the time phase of the LC resonator.  The way the equation is written it appears that you are treating the current "i" as a constant.

Sorry for all the issues raised, but if you are basing your discussion on that formula it needs to be clear and the derivation of that formula could use more explanation.

My argument is that the act of somehow varying the primary inductance itself is not a mechanism to produce power.  It's the "background" process where within all that LC resonant stuff going on, you still have conventional mechanical-to-electrical generation taking place and the associated back-torque on the motor due to Lenz drag.  I think you also state that in your paper.

Thanks,

MileHigh



pmgr,

Yes, things took a biit of a wild turn here.  Thank you for help with FEMM.  I'm beginning to get the hang of it now.  I just wish I could figure out how to script the process of extracting the coil current vs rotor angle from my SPICE analysis then plugging that figure into the FEMM torque vs rotor angle analysis, and finally integrating the area under the resulting curve.  I'm sure octave could do that, although in this case it would probable just be faster to do it manually than to figure out all the necessary scripting. 



Miles,

The Russian paper on parametric excitation I read used a mechanical system for the fundamental build up of the math.  In the mechanical system is was easier to intuit that physical parametric excitation of the system would require the input of energy.   In the electrical equivalent of that mechanical system this is less obvious.     

To to complete the full picture of the QEG, it is required to add in an equation that provides the torque on shaft of the system operating in resonance as a function of angle.  I'm working on that.  I identified a number of mistakes in my previous torque analysis, the next should be much better.  It just takes a long time to manually iterating all the data.

Stay turned for more results...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on May 02, 2014, 09:31:02 PM
Greetings:
I am new to this site and am reposting the following which I have already posted on the QEG be-do.com site.
I am attaching two pdf documents.  Please read them in the following order:

1st pdf attachment (our first attempt to reverse engineer the QEG)
this posting
2nd pdf attachment (a description of our construction of a 1/4 scale version of the QEG)


@herm

I am impressed with your theoretical analysis so far and the mini build! The inductance of the primaries indeed varies more like a triangle, see the attached graph. (@F_brown, no need to model your inductance as a triangle shape; a triangle can be modelled by a finite Fourier series of sinusoidals, so for the principal of proof this is not necessary; it will only make your calculations longer).

I believe I have a working time domain model for the QEG now and would like to help you speeding up your experimental work in figuring out theoretical design parameters that would optimize output power and minimize back MMF. The shape of your voltage and current traces look very similar to what my simulations show for the original design (another indication that things can be scaled). Some more detailed measurements from your end would be helpful in confirming my model as well and making a mini 1/4 scale simulation).

On a side note, this thread is getting quite jumbled with all kinds of stuff. It might be a good idea to start a separate QEG modeling thread to keep all the modeling/experiments in one place? @F_Brown, @herm, what do you guys think?

Do you have a direct email address (I sent you a PM on the forum here). Mine is pmgriphone@gmail.com.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on May 02, 2014, 10:31:06 PM
Hi every  body!
@herm
 May be this pdf will help you:
http://muir.massey.ac.nz/bitstream/handle/10179/4834/02_whole.pdf?sequence=1

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Acca on May 02, 2014, 10:31:23 PM
 What this thing ?? why is there no magnetic core in the center of the generator to generate power ??
 
 link to the new post video of the QEG from Morocco..
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Qb8y_OSIg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Qb8y_OSIg)
 Acca...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on May 02, 2014, 10:46:34 PM
Just another angle of view, for the moment nothing is proven, no self runing, just a black plug in a source.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on May 02, 2014, 10:57:39 PM
Quote

It was not overunity at this point, the exciter circuit needs to be completed although they are finding it difficult to find HV caps in Morocco

So, nothing or insufficient dielectric strength.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on May 02, 2014, 11:38:10 PM
I just wish I could figure out how to script the process of extracting the coil current vs rotor angle from my SPICE analysis then plugging that figure into the FEMM torque vs rotor angle analysis, and finally integrating the area under the resulting curve.  I'm sure octave could do that, although in this case it would probable just be faster to do it manually than to figure out all the necessary scripting. 

@F_brown
Yes, I remember first learning FEMM. It's a pretty powerful FREE program. You picked up very quickly yourself! Especially on the movie and animation front!

Regarding what you are trying to do with it, try it the other way around: simulate the static behavior in FEMM as a function of angle. This should give you everything (inductance, mutual inductance, torque/amp). Check the FEMM manual for the "mo_getcircuitproperties" and "mo_blockintegral" function. Then use those static parameters in your SPICE time domain simulation (multiply the static torque/amp by the current to get the torque as a function of angle and time; this assumes we remain in the non-saturated core regime which should be OK for now; we can go back and verify later if we are indeed in that regime). To model the torque in SPICE, write down the equations of motion for the torque: it will be a second order system, one for angle (theta) as a function of time and one for angular speed (S) as a function of time and split the system into two first order differential equations, which you can then model in SPICE with an L or C circuit (I am sure Googling for e.g. "DC motor equations in SPICE" can give you some useful links). Then the angle and angular speed needs to be fed back into your original circuit:

\frac{d(LI)}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{d I}{d t} + I \cdot \frac{d L}{dt} =  L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot \frac{dL}{d\theta} \cdot \frac{d \theta}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot \frac{dL}{d\theta} \cdot S = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot R(\theta,S)

(see attached figure for formula).

So in your original circuit you need to add a resistor that gets its value from the other two circuits (theta and S).

Hope this helps!

Glad to see you are one of the few who goes all the way out to try and model things. It's a great learning experience!

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 02, 2014, 11:58:14 PM
@F_brown
Yes, I remember first learning FEMM. It's a pretty powerful FREE program. You picked up very quickly yourself! Especially on the movie and animation front!

Regarding what you are trying to do with it, try it the other way around: simulate the static behavior in FEMM as a function of angle. This should give you everything (inductance, mutual inductance, torque/amp). Check the FEMM manual for the "mo_getcircuitproperties" and "mo_blockintegral" function. Then use those static parameters in your SPICE time domain simulation (multiply the static torque/amp by the current to get the torque as a function of angle and time; this assumes we remain in the non-saturated core regime which should be OK for now; we can go back and verify later if we are indeed in that regime). To model the torque in SPICE, write down the equations of motion for the torque: it will be a second order system, one for angle (theta) as a function of time and one for angular speed (S) as a function of time and split the system into two first order differential equations, which you can then model in SPICE with an L or C circuit (I am sure Googling for e.g. "DC motor equations in SPICE" can give you some useful links). Then the angle and angular speed needs to be fed back into your original circuit:

\frac{d(LI)}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{d I}{d t} + I \cdot \frac{d L}{dt} =  L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot \frac{dL}{d\theta} \cdot \frac{d \theta}{dt} = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot \frac{dL}{d\theta} \cdot S = L \cdot \frac{dI}{dt} + I \cdot R(\theta,S)

(see attached figure for formula).

So in your original circuit you need to add a resistor that gets its value from the other two circuits (theta and S).

Hope this helps!

Glad to see you are one of the few who goes all the way out to try and model things. It's a great learning experience!

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I ran out of money to do anything with a while ago, so I got into modeling things alot.  I'm have near 10 years experience with SPICE now.  One can explore the behavior of a circuit very quickly without having to mess with a soldering irons,  bread boards, or scope and meter probes.  Then when I feel I understand the circuit, I'll build it if I can afford to and see how it differs from the model.  It's been quite interesting. 

A separate modeling thread would be welcome.  At this point the "discussion" of whether the CEG is  going to be under unity or over unity is moot to me. :)

At the moment I am redesigning the rotor profile to fit the parametric parameters I got to work in SPICE.  Then I take on the new equations.

Cheers,

FB


PS  After getting half-way though my second torque analysis, I have noticed that the QEG core is acting quite non-linear concerning inductance vs. current.  I think to get an accurate model we'll have to do exactly what you mentioned, which is to use FEMM to map out the inductance of the core and create a current vs angle inductance table, then use that in the SPICE model.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on May 03, 2014, 04:22:30 PM
Sorry, to burst all your hopes,
but I just heard yeasterday regarding the QEG measurements in Morroco , that Gerhard Roessler, a German electrical engineer has just measured :

500 Watts input power from the drive motor and only 120 Watts maximal output power at the lamps...

so no overunity and no selfrunning...

it seems the claimed "raw power" of Mr. Robitaille was either measurement errors or a
lie to make lots of money with donations...too bad...

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Bruce_TPU on May 03, 2014, 04:30:09 PM
Not to worry guys!  I've got a part of the TPU working and have experimentally tested out other parts.  Still a ways to go, but winding every day.

The math was completed some time ago, but the circuit potential has been a booger!  But we have made fantastic progress on that part of it.

The secret is definitely in the coils interactions with one another and learning to move electrons.  And of course, you have to have a "real" power source.  The earth's magnetic waves.   ;)


Cheers,

Bruce
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tysb3 on May 03, 2014, 05:12:16 PM
Not to worry guys!  I've got a part of the TPU working and have experimentally tested out other parts.  Still a ways to go, but winding every day.

The math was completed some time ago, but the circuit potential has been a booger!  But we have made fantastic progress on that part of it.

The secret is definitely in the coils interactions with one another and learning to move electrons.  And of course, you have to have a "real" power source.  The earth's magnetic waves.   ;)


Cheers,

Bruce

I think the secret is ferromagnetic core resonance. there is the "zero point" energy pump. it's need to be 2 resonances in one time, - resonance in resonance, like told Kapanadze to Melnichenko long time ago. the QEG guys get only LC resonance. they need to check QEG cores ferromagnetic resonance and tune LC resonance on 1/2 or 1/4 or 1/8 cores harmonic of ferromagnetic resonance.

http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/6159/opredelenie_MR.pdf (http://realstrannik.ru/media/kunena/attachments/6159/opredelenie_MR.pdf)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on May 03, 2014, 08:07:00 PM
Sorry, to burst all your hopes,
but I just heard yeasterday regarding the QEG measurements in Morroco , that Gerhard Roessler, a German electrical engineer has just measured :

500 Watts input power from the drive motor and only 120 Watts maximal output power at the lamps...

so no overunity and no selfrunning...

it seems the claimed "raw power" of Mr. Robitaille was either measurement errors or a
lie to make lots of money with donations...too bad...

Regards, Stefan.

I'm sure I'm not the only one who is not surprised at this news.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 03, 2014, 08:30:34 PM
I'm sure I'm not the only one who is not surprised at this news.

I am not surprised.  What might be a surprise is how much money will have been spent on this and where most of that money ends up.

Allegedly there are around 200 replicator teams out there that intend on doing a full-blown replication by purchasing the 'official' core which apparently costs about $3000 USD.  Some of them must be reading this thread.

For those replicators that are reading this thread, can you please post directly or indirectly what you current costs are?  If you can, please split that into the total parts cost in US dollars and labour costs.  For the labour costs, let's say that you estimate the number of man-hours and you 'charge yourself' $25 US dollars per hour.

Any replicators willing to share this basic data with us?  It would be very interesting and it will show others how much of a financial and time drain this has become.

Even if you did all of this willingly, I am sure that many of us would like to know how much this adventure has cost.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 03, 2014, 10:52:01 PM
I'm sure I'm not the only one who is not surprised at this news.

Surprised?  I am shocked...shocked I tell you.  Measurement error?  How can this be?

Seriously though, the real measurements do not seem to be even close so, that was one hell of an error over there.  I really wish folks would have others check their measurements before claiming O.U. and causing some good believing people to spend hard earned money on fruitless replications.

Now just wait, someone will claim that the MIB shut them down.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 03, 2014, 11:03:00 PM
120 Watts of output for 500 Watts of input is
uncharacteristic of this type of generator.

Something is clearly wrong with the way it is
being evaluated.   Its efficiency should be much
nearer 90% when it is properly driven and tuned.
Their operational RPMs may be too low to achieve
the proper frequencies and phase relationships.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 03, 2014, 11:21:50 PM
Just an update...
I got some number for you guys....but before that, I would like to register: don't call me Dumb for spend time and money in project like this one. This is my hobby and I enjoy to do that.[/size]


Input power.    :- 1200Watts approximately
Output voltage :- 90 VCA approximately 
Output current. :- 2.3 amps
Frequency         :- 95 HZ


http://youtu.be/cSNNJyvznAc (http://youtu.be/cSNNJyvznAc)


Cheers
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 03, 2014, 11:35:04 PM
Just an update...
I got some number for you guys....but before that, I would like to register: don't call me Dumb for spend time and money in project like this one. This is my hobby and I enjoy to do that.[/size]


Input power.    :- 1200Watts approximately
Output voltage :- 90 VCA approximately 
Output current. :- 2.3 amps
Frequency         :- 95 HZ


http://youtu.be/cSNNJyvznAc (http://youtu.be/cSNNJyvznAc)


Cheers
Ariovaldo


Just one more thing: I will do some more tests, changing the capacitance, connections, installing the " exciter " coil, with capacitor and so one. Also, my dc motor is " dying" . This motor is rated for 1.5 hp and I' m overloading the system...the generator sheave is smaller than should be and I need to change...


Cheers
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 03, 2014, 11:38:52 PM
Beautiful build, Ariovaldo!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 03, 2014, 11:47:58 PM
SeaMonkey:

Quote
120 Watts of output for 500 Watts of input is
uncharacteristic of this type of generator.

Something is clearly wrong with the way it is
being evaluated.   Its efficiency should be much
nearer 90% when it is properly driven and tuned.
Their operational RPMs may be too low.

I don't think so, those numbers seem to be in the right ballpark and were roughly what I was expecting.  You saw the plot of the effective primary inductance with respect to angle?  When the rotor is not lined up the two primary coils cancel each other out, and if there is any energy in the capacitors at that time, then the capacitors have "free reign" to short themselves out and burn off their stored energy in the wire resistance of the coils.  If someone constructs a proper timing diagram then we will be able to see if the capacitors are indeed discharging into "nothingness" during this "dead band."

The further this design deviates from a modern well-designed high-efficiency precision-manufactured tight-tolerance alternator, the lower the expected mechanical-to-electrical conversion efficiency we can expect to see.  Remember, in terms of the efficiency of this device as a generator, the resonance is needed.  Without resonance the performance is likely to be absolutely abysmal.  This device needs resonance to get it's performance to go from abysmal to poor.  That's in contrast with an alternator, where the design is only about trying to ensure that the magnetic flux cuts the pick-up coils with a bare minimum of stray flux.  In the overall scheme of things when it comes to converting mechanical power to electrical power, you don't need resonance at all.  It's arguable that resonance is just a "hook" to draw in QEG converts.

Don't shoot the messenger.  As far as I am aware this is the second credible measurement that has been made available.  The first measurement was 1000 watts in, 500 watts out.  This measurement is 500 watts in, 120 watts out.  Ariovaldo has provided the third credible measurement of 1200 watts in, 207 watts out.  My expectation is that as more credible measurements come in, they will be in the same ballpark.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 04, 2014, 12:24:04 AM
Well, here is a table of primary inductance versus primary current when the rotor is aligned with a pole.

Amps     Henries

0.0001   55.06277720336362   
0.2501   57.6387   
0.5001   34.93331877876074   
0.7501   25.50009391476067   
1.0001   20.3906   
1.2501   17.1876   
1.5001   15.0017   
1.7501   13.4158   
2.0001   12.21168917605118   
2.2501   11.26430599658938   
2.5001   10.4973   
2.7501    9.861351969119122   
3.0001    9.32271   
3.2501    8.857569903666759   
3.5001    8.448837591752412   
3.7501    8.084681690739767   
4.0001    7.757196680838231   
4.2501    7.46103   
4.5001    7.19207

This certainly promises to be a fun challenge for which to create an accurate model...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 04, 2014, 12:57:23 AM
F_Brown,

Interesting data for sure.  You can look at Itsu's clips where he has an amazing four-channel oscilloscope and he has the ability to make a four-signal timing diagram with the push of a button.  However, even with a low-bandwidth two-channel oscilloscope, there is nothing preventing a replicator from making a true timing diagram including analysis and interpretation of the data, and the derivation of the relevant data that's required to truly understand what is going on.

Let's take the example of the "dead band" which corresponds to certain angular ranges of the turning rotor.  Okay, so you figure out a way to get a "tick" from the spinning rotor to establish a baseline that all the other signals follow.   So you lay out some graph paper on your desk and you mark out horizontal divisions that correspond to the angular displacement of the rotor.  That also corresponds to advancing through time, but that is secondary to tracking the rotor angle.

Then, you plot how the capacitor voltage varies on your graph paper with respect to the rotor angle.  So all of a sudden you know at what angles the capacitor bank is charging and discharging, and how fast that is taking place.  You "close your eyes" and plot the capacitor current also.  Then you can "close your eyes" and plot the instantaneous capacitor charging and discharging power.  These two plots are derived from the capacitor voltage variation and the capacitance value, it's all a no-brainer if you know what you are doing.

Then you can record the light bulb voltage waveform.  If you were smart you would switch the light bulb for a high-power resistor bank that is approximately the same resistance of the hot filament of the light bulb.  That's to get the annoyance of the variability of the resistance of the light bulb load out of the way.

Once you have the light bulb (or resistive load) voltage waveform plot with respect to the rotor angle you are almost done for the "dead band" power investigation.  You "close your eyes" and you then plot the light bulb (or resistive load) power consumption with respect to to rotor angle.

Now, this is not necessarily the complete power picture with respect to the "dead band."  I think it is, but hey, this is just the very first go at working out this investigation on the bench in live streaming consciousness mode.

Here is the key thing:  You do the work above and here is what you have during the "dead band:"  You have a plot of the capacitor bank power versus rotor angle and you compare that to the light bulb power versus rotor angle.

If you see a lot of capacitor power lined up with much less light bulb power then the preliminary conclusion is that during the "dead band" the capacitor power is being lost and is heating the primary coils due to the flux-cancellation in the primary coils.

In other words, the capacitor energy is not making it's way to the load (where you want it to go) and is instead being wasted resistively heating the primary coils.

I could stream out proposed test after test if I wanted.  I could analyze the QEG inside-out with a cheap scope and a few days worth of work on the bench.  That would solve the QEG mystery.  The challenge is for the real QEG replicators to do the same thing following their own path.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 04, 2014, 01:07:20 AM
Miles,

This device is kind of interesting in that it modulates the coupling coefficient between the primary and secondary from max what ever that turns out to be to zero at the modulation frequency.  That's why in my SPICE sim I measured the power dissipated by a resistive load in the primary circuit.

Because the thing is so non-linear, I'm in the process of working up a full lookup table for primary inductance and rotor torque vs primary current and rotor position.  If I am successful in being able to use that to create an accurate SPICE model, all will be revealed, except why some may people spent so much money on something before the saw it actually work...

Hmm, I suppose I shoulc include the primary to secondary coupling coefficient in with that as well.

Here's with a few more data points:
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 04, 2014, 01:23:11 AM
F_Brown,

Good luck on the simulations.  I have to confess I ran some Spice simulations for one or two electronics courses, and I submitted my Spice programs in the form of a stack of punched cards wrapped in a big elastic band.  Yikes!

Will any group of replicators do an analysis of the their real QEG replications like I am alluding to?  I think that there is a chance if there are people in the replication groups that are engineers, people that are outside of the culture of the free energy forums.  In terms of the people on the free energy forums themselves, I don't hold out much hope.  The best you can expect would be decent measurements of power-in to the electric motor, and power-out to the light bulb load.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 04, 2014, 02:01:43 AM
Fortran SPICE on punch cards.  Ha, I remember those things.  Text based SPICE was a freaking nightmare.  It has gotten a lot easier now that graphical SPICE apps have been developed, and numerical apps like matlab.  I'm hooked on them.  :|

It's just happens that I was contacted by a group that bought a core, and plans to do some good analysis with it.  So, chances are good that you might see some of those questions answered in the next few weeks.  :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 04, 2014, 02:04:41 AM
You too can now earn $300/hr by being a consultant on how to make a QED work:
http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html
No need for previous experience on proof of working devices. Only true believers need apply.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 04, 2014, 02:07:36 AM
You too can now earn $300/hr by being a consultant on how to make a QED work:
http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html (http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html)
No need for previous experience on proof of working devices. Only true believers need apply.

Sounds like a job for Tom Bearden or Peter Lindermann...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 04, 2014, 02:27:13 AM
Wow!  The price of "fixing the world" at the grass-roots level is cheap when you consider the true value that you are getting.

If you want your consultant to bring along a heat gun, that's another $150 per hour.   :( :( :( :(

If you want your consultant to bring along a can of freeze spray, that's $250 per can, one can minimum.   :( :( :( :( :(   After that it's $25 per puff of freeze spray.  :( :( :( :( :( :(

Think of the people that live on $3 a day that need your help!  You can always crowd fund from them to get the services of the engineering artist formerly known as the technician.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by FakeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on May 04, 2014, 02:35:11 AM
If you look at these 2 videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNh1xyg_8w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd04pD5T88U



You can see, that the lamps are not very bright and that its combined output might really be
only 120 Watts, if you compare their brightness to the other lights in the room.

And 500 Watt input into the drive motor is usual at these speeds and load.

So I trust the measurement Gerhard Rössler has done in Morroco.

The people cheering there behave like a religeous sect.
They act as if they see a selfrunning unit, which is not the case....

Do they do this to even get more donations and hide the truth ??

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by FakeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 04, 2014, 03:05:57 AM
If you look at these 2 videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNh1xyg_8w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd04pD5T88U



You can see, that the lamps are not very bright and that its combined output might really be
only 120 Watts, if you compare their brightness to the other lights in the room.

And 500 Watt input into the drive motor is usual at these speeds and load.

So I trust the measurement Gerhard Rössler has done in Morroco.

The people cheering there behave like a religeous sect.
They act as if they see a selfrunning unit, which is not the case....

Do they do this to even get more donations and hide the truth ??

Regards, Stefan.
Stefan unfortunately there are a lot of unscrupulous people who cheer and pretend that they have something wonderful, or will, if only people will believe and give them money.  I could be wrong, but I think that JR is sincerely trying to make something work.  HM has assumed the role of carnival barker and funds solicitor.

Shortly before he decided to throw in the towel looking at free energy claims Mark Dansie was talking about working on a way for sincere experimenters to be able to measure or get their inventions measured properly at low cost.  I think that the idea is similar to how some people have been trying to help Sterling Allan find ways to measure his H-Cat properly on a tight budget. 

One of the things that I think could help is a basic power analyzer that is affordable and reasonably accurate:  Say +/-5%.  I think that is a doable project that could be done open source so that for less than $200. and perhaps as little as $100. people working with electrical machines could quickly assess actual input and output power precisely enough to know if they have something with real promise, or are just misleading themselves with poor power measurements.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rfacts on May 04, 2014, 05:12:59 AM
Ariovaldo:

Greatly appreciate your efforts and the info that you've openly shared.  No matter the outcome of the QEG you provide many who are naturally curious and inquisitive an opportunity to learn more.  Thank you for posting your findings whether they are disappointing or not.  You're a true experimenter and do fine work.

In return for sharing your data you deserve constructive feedback that may help you to accurately analyze it and gather more.  In case it will help you I'm attaching some audio spectrum screens that I saved of your most recent video titled: Quantum Energy Generator - Ariovaldo Replication > http://youtu.be/cSNNJyvznAc

I noticed that on this YouTube video post you listed the frequency as 195 Hz but listed it as 95 Hz on this thread.  Perhaps a typo on this thread, because if 195 Hz is the frequency on your oscilloscope at the 1:20 minute mark of your video it matches up with the 193 Hz frequency in the attached audio spectrum file named QEG Ariovaldo 1.20MinMark 0.5K LoadOn Oscope.jpg.  I captured that audio spectrum screen as you were zoomed in on your oscilloscope so that this comparison could be made.  The other two attached files show a broader audio spectrum span to show the peak audio frequency at 1067 Hz and the higher order harmonics.

Let me know if there are any other specific audio spectrums of your videos that you would like to see.  It will be very interesting to find out more about the mechanical resonance frequency and the electrical resonance frequency of your QEG and how the changes you make will affect them.  Please confirm if the sinusoidal frequency displayed on your oscilloscope at the 1:20 minute mark of this video is an output frequency of 195 Hz.  I understood that your total primary capacitance was 0.125uF, if possible it would also be good to confirm the following:

1. RPM of the QEG rotor during this video run?
2. Inductance of your primary and secondary coils and the wire size and length used?
3. Any deviations from the QEG User Manual and schematic other than DC motor pulley ratio and the end plate material?

Looking forward to the other tests you have planned, be safe first and foremost.

Muy bien hecho, saludos con mucha gratitude.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 04, 2014, 05:26:42 AM
Beautiful build, Ariovaldo!
Yes, I concur! And it sounds much better than the QEGers Morocco build. Smoooth.

But I'll bet he doesn't have 0.001 inch clearance between his rotor and stator!

 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 04, 2014, 05:33:02 AM
I am not surprised.  What might be a surprise is how much money will have been spent on this and where most of that money ends up.

Allegedly there are around 200 replicator teams out there that intend on doing a full-blown replication by purchasing the 'official' core which apparently costs about $3000 USD.  Some of them must be reading this thread.

For those replicators that are reading this thread, can you please post directly or indirectly what you current costs are?  If you can, please split that into the total parts cost in US dollars and labour costs.  For the labour costs, let's say that you estimate the number of man-hours and you 'charge yourself' $25 US dollars per hour.

Any replicators willing to share this basic data with us?  It would be very interesting and it will show others how much of a financial and time drain this has become.

Even if you did all of this willingly, I am sure that many of us would like to know how much this adventure has cost.

MileHigh
So I gather that most people (including me) believe that Robitaille himself is sincere but misguided. Personally I believe that he is religiously motivated, having had a revelatory dream or vision that told him this device would work and Save The World (tm HypeGirl). I also believe that the woman is a cynical, conscious con artist who is manipulating James and egging him onward on their round-the-world junket.

So what will be the reaction from James as he conducts more and more trials, works harder and harder, but always fails to make that thing run itself? I already detect a certain hang-dog look of depression, and that was in images from a week or more ago. I think James is headed for a big psychological fall.

Of course, now that they are selling their time for 300 dollars an hour plus expenses as consultants to help _others_ get their units up and running.... when they can't get their own units "running"...  they are selling something they don't have (the knowledge to do what they claim to teach) therefore: conscious fraud.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 04, 2014, 06:16:22 AM
TK:

I am pretty sure that they haven't sold their consulting time to anyone.  The price of $300 an hour is just ridiculous.  That's the price of something like a retired Pentagon general with 40 years of experience. (Two-grand-plus a day???)

I am not sure of this but I don't get the vibe that James Robitaille is a real engineer.  They take an "escape clause" on the consulting web page and call him an "engineering artist" which is a title that nobody ever heard of before.  The vibe I get from him is that of an engineering support technician.  I forget but.... okay I looked it up:

Quote
I am a career Electronics Engineer, who has been designing electronic controls for electric motors for 26+ years. I hold 9 patents and am knowledgeable in many different types of electric motor design. My father was a mechanical designer, so I have been immersed in the field of electro-mechanical motion from my youth. A large part of my work has been in designing rugged, efficient and manufacturable motors and electronic controls for consumer and industrial products. You may have seen some news out of the U.S. from Honda Motor Company about a new option available on the 2014 Odyssey Van - the world’s first built-in cabin vacuum cleaner system! I am the designer of the electronics and motor controls for this product.

Okay, let me quote some more and then comment in a new posting.

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James M Robitaille, Robert L Crevling Jr, Mark E Baer: Current regulating switch circuit. Shop Vac Corporation May 5, 1998: US05747973 (25 worldwide citation)

A regulating switch circuit for conditioning operation of a first load upon operation of a second load wherein the first load and the second load consume electrical energy from a power source includes a detecting means for detecting the operation of the second load and a sensing means for sensing an ...

Mark Baer, James M Robitaille: Ground fault interruptor circuit with electronic latch. Felchar Manufacturing Corporation January 5, 1993: US05177657 (24 worldwide citation)

A ground fault interruptor circuit interrupts the flow of current to a pair of lines extending between a source of power and a load. The ground fault interruptor circuit includes a circuit breaker comprising a normally open switch located in one or both of the lines, a relay circuit for selectively ...

James M Robitaille: Power outlet ground integrity and wriststrap monitor circuit. Ericson Manufacturing Company September 24, 1991: US05051732 (22 worldwide citation)

A plug-mounted wriststrap detector and ground monitor includes hot, neutral and ground input terminals which are connected to corresponding terminals of a power outlet when the circuit is plugged in. A jack is provided to plug a wriststrap into the circuit to provide electrostatic protection to the ...

James M Robitaille, Robert W Wilson: Electrical outlet monitor. Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing Company May 29, 1990: US04929887 (20 worldwide citation)

A monitor for detecting miswiring in standard 3-spade AC electrical outlets. The monitor includes a housing, prongs for insertion into the outlet to be tested, outlet ports for an external plug, and a banana jack for a wrist strap or other anti-static device. If the outlet is properly wired, a lamp ...

Edward M Haley, James M Robitaille, Robert L Crevling Jr, Mark E Baer: Intelligent switch control circuit. Shop Vac Corporation April 24, 2001: US06222285 (18 worldwide citation)

A sensing circuit is useful with a power outlet and a power tool having power supplied thereto via the power outlet. The sensing circuit includes a generator, a transmitter, and a detector. A first signal having a high frequency is developed by the generator and supplied to a first terminal of the p ...

Our buddy Sterling Allen says this:

Quote
Career Electronics Engineer of 26+ years, James M. Robitaille of Harrisburg, Pennsylvania, USA recently resigned his position to bring a Home Quantum Energy Generator technology forward.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 04, 2014, 07:02:59 AM
You know when you work for a big enough company sometimes they get a little patent crazy.  It's a boasting feature and also boosts the perceived value of the company's IP if they are on the chopping block.  Companies may even patent their production line test jigs.

The first patent looks like a test jig for monitoring an appliance when you change the motor speed or something like that.  The second patent looks like a production test jig adaptation of a ground fault interrupter (GFI).  The third patent is some kind of wrist strap integrity detector coupled with a GFI.  That one is definitely for the production line.  The fourth patent is very similar, a production line tester to make sure they wired up the three-pronged plug correctly.  The last patent quoted looks something like a wireless monitor to check a hand-held power drill's start-up power-draw profile at the final functional test station to make sure it falls withing an acceptable range.  So if there is a bad bearing or something like that it will be rejected off the line because they sense the abnormal current draw when the fully assembled power drill is powered up for the first time.

Certainly all of the above requires a production test engineer.  However, there is a big but:

Back to the $300/hr consulting page:

Quote
Do you need help with your QEG plans? FTW will be offering consulting services to assist with QEG and CICU start ups. James Robitaille, the QEG inventor will be available for technical consulting and Hope Girl will be available for business operations related consulting.

If the guy was really and truly an engineer, and he invented the QEG, then he would never in a million years have signed off on the QEG as working before this whole dog and pony show started.  It's just farking impossible.  No engineer would do this.  I was one and I still work with them and it's just freaking impossible.

With that being said, I can imagine that James was a senior production support technician that contributed his share to the patents, and it's hard to know if he actually developed any IP or if he just found the parts, and built and tested the prototypes, and so on.  The point being it's possible that he never was responsible for signing off on a design.

Don't forget that HopeGirl and James are married.  HopeGirl is always "on."  I envision James as a senior motor technician that's in on the fraud, or he could be an engineer that's in on the fraud.  But when he claims that he is an engineer, and there is a paper trail where they claim that it works, and they clearly have no proof that it works - that just does not jive if you are an engineer.

So I think that HopeGirl is always "on" and that means that she is acting.  However, she doesn't have to act too hard.  James, on the other hand, is acting and he is acting hard and doing a very good job of it.  He comes off as being totally legit as a "cool and good guy" but the kiss of death for that act is the claim he himself makes that it worked months ago.

I know that I am rambling.  Final verdict:  It doesn't add up.  They are both frauds.  HopeGirl has the easy acting job as the non-technical marketing girl, and James has the tough acting job as the cool, laid-back sincere engineer that has done something that no engineer with 20+ years of experience (or even one year of experience) would ever do:  Say something works and then make video clips where he fiddles with a low-tech variac like some hippy in his first Electronics 101 lab - with no proof that it works.

Finally, if the guy does have all of this motor control experience over 26 years, why is he fiddling with a bloody Flintstones variac with a dumb DC motor with no motor speed control at all?  Why doesn't he just spec in a COTS variable-speed servo motor controller + motor with the best bang for your buck to drive the QEG and keep it in resonance under varying loads?  The setup is low-tech just like Bedini almost certainly takes very low tech electronics and hides it all in potting compound!  WTF!!!!???

So TK, I guess we agree with each other!  lol

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on May 04, 2014, 08:18:55 AM
WOW, more than a page of bashing the QEG team (Jamie, Val & Hope)

Do you feel better now?...  love and joy for your follows?


The QEG team may not have a working alternative energy solution for the needy of the world at this time or ever...  but, I feel they are genuinely trying to help change the pathetic state the world has reached with the general mindset our educatedly certified have reached that there is nothing else then the science they've learned. This is well demonstrated in this topic.

Why not use knowledge and time to think of something that hasn't been tried and post your suggestion or ideas.
If you can't come up with something,  then why would you criticize those who try?...  seriously, give this some thought to see how it helps.

The day we work together will be the day of change.

I will not debate this nor should anyone who understands.

Just sharing

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 04, 2014, 08:39:57 AM
Well said Luc
Check out post 389
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16584-analysis-witts-generator-13.html
It ain't over yet.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 04, 2014, 10:39:17 AM
You too can now earn $300/hr by being a consultant on how to make a QED work:
http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html
No need for previous experience on proof of working devices. Only true believers need apply.

Same dollar value AND wording of WITTs.  Hummm.   And I did see WITTs mentioned in the manual.  Obviously the same design style of core and rotor of WITTs.

Would it be off base for one to think that perhaps they are one in the same?  ;)
Verum Vulnero
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 04, 2014, 10:43:07 AM
WOW, more than a page of bashing the QEG team (Jamie, Val & Hope)

Do you feel better now?...  love and joy for your follows?


The QEG team may not have a working alternative energy solution for the needy of the world at this time or ever...  but, I feel they are genuinely trying to help change the pathetic state the world has reached with the general mindset our educatedly certified have reached that there is nothing else then the science they've learned. This is well demonstrated in this topic.

Why not use knowledge and time to think of something that hasn't been tried and post your suggestion or ideas.
If you can't come up with something,  then why would you criticize those who try?...  seriously, give this some thought to see how it helps.

The day we work together will be the day of change.

I will not debate this nor should anyone who understands.

Just sharing

Luc
I for one would not have a problem with these guys if they had not lied about what they had and used those lies to raise money.  I do not see any evidence that they have added to our knowledge of anything that is going to help with either energy or pollution.

I think that it is perfectly fine to have an unusual idea.  There are people who are willing to fund very high risk ideas.  Those investors be they deep pockets or someone giving to an Indiegogo campaign deserve to be told what the inventor has actually realized and what the inventor only hopes they can eventually do. 

I spend a lot of my time working on improving our energy and pollution situation.  Neither I nor anyone I work with pitch investors based on claims of results that we haven't realized.  There is so much good monetizeable work to do that there are plenty of investors around willing to fund legitimate efforts.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 04, 2014, 11:13:47 AM
...
Finally, if the guy does have all of this motor control experience over 26 years, why is he fiddling with a bloody Flintstones variac with a dumb DC motor with no motor speed control at all?  Why doesn't he just spec in a COTS variable-speed servo motor controller + motor with the best bang for your buck to drive the QEG and keep it in resonance under varying loads?
...


MileHigh

Stole the words right out of my mouth.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Ben57 on May 04, 2014, 11:39:12 AM

Why not use knowledge and time to think of something that hasn't been tried and post your suggestion or ideas.
If you can't come up with something,  then why would you criticize those who try?...  seriously, give this some thought to see how it helps.

The day we work together will be the day of change.


Hi Luc
I fully agree with you, working together will be the way of change from a global 'virtual hobbyist' to a 'virtual prof'.
However we need both the 'critics' and the 'creatives' in a winning team. The purpose of a 'peer review' in regular science is just to have a critical reviewer which weeds out the errors made, before something is being published.
Creative minds tent to develop a tunnel vision while working on an interesting development and sometimes do not see that they are missing something. Discussions between the 'creatives' and 'critics' very often end in ego driven arguments. Sometimes someone gets banned from a discussion for being critical.

'critics' and 'creatives' are like yin and yang; north and south; plus and minus.....etc
Best regards,
Ben
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: lancaIV on May 04, 2014, 11:57:55 AM
Well said Luc
Check out post 389
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16584-analysis-witts-generator-13.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16584-analysis-witts-generator-13.html)
It ain't over yet.

                                  to Ufopolitics #363



http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&ST=advanced&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&PA=kango+iida (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&ST=advanced&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&PA=kango+iida)

from epo.org inventor Kango Iida :
PROBLEM TO BE SOLVED: To obtain a multipole conversion device and a conversion method by which the efficiency of more than 95% for converting a mechanical energy into an electrical energy can be realized in comparison with the efficiency of less then 50% with a conventional constitution, one apparatus can function both as a generator and a motor, a speed-up device is eliminated and the manufacturing cost can be reduced easily. SOLUTION: Magnets 23 are provided on both the sides of cores 21 on which coils 22 are wound so as to have the polarities of the magnets 23 same as the polarities N1-N2 and S1-S2. The respective cores of N1, N2, S1 and S2 are extended, N1, N2, S1 and S2 are used as one set and a multipole construction consisting of poles integer times of the one set is provided. A core 24 which has polarities corresponding to the polarities of the multipole construction and has no poles is provided inside or outside the multipole construction. A motor magnet wires are applied to the core 24 without poles to form coils 29 and commentators and brushes are attached to the coils 29 and a DC voltage is applied.


My question : ....... in comparision with the efficiency of less then 50% with a conventional constitution,......
Mister Iida scientifical standart,japanese science standart ? Mental error ?



http://www.geminielectricmotor.com/What%60s%20NEW.htm (http://www.geminielectricmotor.com/What%60s%20NEW.htm)
With the cost of oil increasing the urgency to find an alternate source of reliable, sustainable electric energy has never been more important. With dire weather and global warming, green house effects, already  being felt in most parts of the world, a few inventors, and some  electrical engineers are asking was the original electric motor design  the right one ? After millions of dollars, and millions of man hours by electrical engineers, the basic design has changed very little. In the conventional electric motor only the outside magnetic poles are used, resulting in 50% of the magnetic flux created being wasted. The  Gemini Electric Motor effectively uses both inner and outer magnetic poles, resulting in 100% of the magnetic flux being used to create  torque or generate an electric current.


"... resulting in 50% of the magnetic flux created being waste.."


 Waste energy recuperation source No.1

         

          resonance : how many different kinds ?
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 04, 2014, 01:09:32 PM
I am going to enter rarely visited waters...
The example circuit to analyze the problem is trivial - it's just an ideal inductor shorted by an ideal wire.

The formula for your inductance as a function of time:
L(t) =  (sin(omega * t) +2)     [inductance varies between 1 and 3 Henries]   Note - I am avoiding a divide-by-zero problem

Let's define the initial conditions and use something simple to illustrate the problem:  When the inductance is 3 Henries, say the current is 5 amps.   That means you have 37.5 joules stored in the coil under these conditions.

Everything is ideal, so no energy is lost.   We just need to solve for the current as a function of inductance.  Since the inductance also varies with time, you effectively are also solving for the current as a function of time.   The voltage across the coil is always zero, and that may help us to simplify things.

Let's take a peek at how things look when the inductance is 1 henry.  You still have to have 37.5 joules stored in the inductor therefore the current has to be:

E = 1/2 L I^2
I^2 = 2E/L
I = sqrt(2E/L)
Therefore when L = 1 Henry,  i = 8.66 amps.
Now let's complicate it slightly.
In your example above the cause of the inductance change was not given.  It was just abstractly assumed to happen somehow.
In the following exercise, I will attempt to give it a real cause.

Let's propose that the change in inductance is caused by an ideal ferrite core at rest being attracted into that ideal air coil from far away, in absence of gravity, so that its inductance changes from 1H (when the core is away) to 3H (when the core is inside the coil).  See the graph below for a realistic relationship between the core's distance and the inductance of the coil (taken from a real linear motor).
According to your calculations when the core is away the current flowing through the coil is 8.66A and when the core is inside the coil the current flowing in it is 5A. ...Fine.

Let's assume that the acceleration of the core into the coil from 10cm away takes 100ms and when the core reaches the middle of the coil its speed is 1m/s.
10µs before the core reaches the middle of the coil, a switch is opened and all of the energy stored in the coil (37.5J) is discharged into an ideal capacitor in 10µs.  Now all of the energy is in the capacitor and no current flows through the coil. At this point the capacitor is disconnected from the coil (so it cannot recharge the coil back) and the massive core continues on its path with constant velocity because now the coil is opened and has no current flowing in it, thus it cannot exert any force on the departing core.

But wait!  Now, we have all of our input energy recovered in a capacitor but the departing core has significant remaining kinetic energy  :o
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Vortex1 on May 04, 2014, 01:59:39 PM
TK said:
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Of course, now that they are selling their time for 300 dollars an hour plus expenses as consultants to help _others_ get their units up and running.... when they can't get their own units "running"...  they are selling something they don't have (the knowledge to do what they claim to teach) therefore: conscious fraud.

Bob Dylan wrote:

"Do you take me for such a fool to think I'd make contact
 With the one who tries to hide what he don't know to begin with?"

Regarding their consulting, you could change "hide" to "sell"
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by FakeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 04, 2014, 02:25:39 PM
One of the things that I think could help is a basic power analyzer that is affordable and reasonably accurate:  Say +/-5%.  I think that is a doable project that could be done open source so that for less than $200. and perhaps as little as $100. people working with electrical machines could quickly assess actual input and output power precisely enough to know if they have something with real promise, or are just misleading themselves with poor power measurements.
Something like this?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ramset on May 04, 2014, 02:53:58 PM
Question to LUC


These folks that are running this presentation .
What is their previous involvement in benevolent or charitable behavior,do they have a history of helping to open source or giving freely of their time and hard work [Like yourself and many here].


I am being quite serious and honestly do not know the character or these people.
One very big red flag for poor character is the honesty issue which has been referenced here.


or has that been taken out of context??





thx
Chet



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 04, 2014, 05:17:27 PM
WOW, more than a page of bashing the QEG team (Jamie, Val & Hope)

Do you feel better now?...  love and joy for your follows?


The QEG team may not have a working alternative energy solution for the needy of the world at this time or ever...  but, I feel they are genuinely trying to help change the pathetic state the world has reached with the general mindset our educatedly certified have reached that there is nothing else then the science they've learned. This is well demonstrated in this topic.

Why not use knowledge and time to think of something that hasn't been tried and post your suggestion or ideas.
If you can't come up with something,  then why would you criticize those who try?...  seriously, give this some thought to see how it helps.

The day we work together will be the day of change.

I will not debate this nor should anyone who understands.

Just sharing

Luc

Luc,

It's ironic if you state that you want to share and in the previous line you state that you will not debate.

The appraisal of what is transpiring with the QEG is negative based on the evidence as myself and others see it.  That is NOT bashing.  It's only looked upon as bashing if you don't want to confront the issues.  You are well aware how many free energy enthusiasts find it incredibly difficult to express something negative about someone's free energy proposition.  That's like being in a straight jacket.

Sometimes you have to decide between right and wrong and if you are going to speak up.  I once went to a health club in a building where there was an entrance on the first floor, a food court on the second floor, and the health club was on the fifth floor.  There was an elevator serving all the floors, and an escalator between the first floor and the second floor.  The food court was not getting enough business and they reprogrammed the elevator so when you went down, you could not stop on the first floor.  The elevator only stopped on the second floor to force you to pass by the food court.

I spoke to the girl behind the health club counter and told her to follow up with the building manager because the elevator might be a way out of the building if there was a fire on the second floor and other ways were blocked.  She refused.  During 9/11, the building manager in the second tower told everybody to remain at their desks after the first tower was hit.  In the recent Korean ferry disaster, the idiot on the PA system told everybody not to move while the ferry was listing and sinking.  You have to have the f*cking guts to say what is right sometimes, and DO what you believe is right, and not tow the "company line" if it doesn't make sense.  Some stupid asshole told people not to move on the ferry and now 236 people are dead.  Everyone in that chain of command should be sentenced to 25 years in prison.

So I don't believe that the QEG team is trying to make the world a better place and I refuse to put on rose-coloured glasses.  I don't believe that they are genuine.  I would never design and build something that does not work and claim that it works, period.  The QEG story has holes in it like a Swiss cheese and they have NO CREDIBLE DATA to prove what they are claiming.  The credible data so far is showing so far that they DO NO HAVE what they are claiming.

If you want to play with a new circuit, go ahead and play.  But that doesn't mean that myself and others can't express our honest opinions about the real QEG team and their proposition.  Money and even lives can be on the line sometimes.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 04, 2014, 05:25:42 PM
" The QEG story has holes in it like a Swiss cheese "


*hint*  Look in the holes.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 04, 2014, 05:43:41 PM
Captain Zero:

The problem is that your rebuttal stops after the "holes."  You have nothing to say past that point.

Read this and weep:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire)

MileHigh

P.S.:  Quoting Captain Zero:

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I didn't mean for you to look in the hole in your head...silly goose.

Taken from Repartee for Dummies, second edition.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 04, 2014, 05:59:53 PM
Question to LUC


These folks that are running this presentation .
What is their previous involvement in benevolent or charitable behavior,do they have a history of helping to open source or giving freely of their time and hard work [Like yourself and many here].


I am being quite serious and honestly do not know the character or these people.
One very big red flag for poor character is the honesty issue which has been referenced here.


or has that been taken out of context??





thx
Chet

Does James Robitaille have an actual engineering degree, or is he self-taught? Like "patent", the term "engineer" has a pretty specific legal meaning in many locations. If he were calling himself a "PE" or Professional Engineer, he would actually have to have a degree and some certification licensing. But he's not doing that, is he. And to say that HE is the "inventor" of the QEG apparatus is simply a lie.

And then there is the "consulting fee" web solicitation, where they are offering for sale that which they do not have: the knowledge to make a QEG self-running.

And running the DC motor off a Variac/FWB is just silly, as others have pointed out, since a PWM speed controller is a far more efficient way to control the speed of a DC motor.


By the way, there are "universal motors" that look like DC motors (brushes, magnets, armature, etc) but will run on either AC or DC. It is common for ... vacuum cleaners.... to use this type of universal motor.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 04, 2014, 06:03:53 PM
Captain Zero:

The problem is that your rebuttal stops after the "holes."  You have nothing to say past that point.

Read this and weep:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iroquois_Theatre_fire)

MileHigh



I didn't mean for you to look in the hole in your head...silly goose.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 04, 2014, 06:09:35 PM
Well said Luc
Check out post 389
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16584-analysis-witts-generator-13.html (http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/16584-analysis-witts-generator-13.html)
It ain't over yet.

That is hilarious! UFOPolitics has been carrying on his motor-rewinding thread for well over a year, hasn't made a single Joule of "free energy" and hasn't made any improvements over standard motor winding efficiencies, but a lot of people have spent a lot of time and money entertaining him and giving him a platform for his pronouncements. How many blown mosfets have that group accumulated, I wonder?

So now he's got time to spare, and he's telling everyone about the QEG and how it's supposed to work. What a laugh! He should join their "Team"... he needs a vacation to exotic foreign lands, I can tell.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 04, 2014, 06:28:20 PM
Now let's complicate it slightly.
In your example above the cause of the inductance change was not given.  It was just abstractly assumed to happen somehow.
In the following exercise, I will attempt to give it a real cause.

Let's propose that the change in inductance is caused by an ideal ferrite core at rest being attracted into that ideal air coil from far away, in absence of gravity, so that its inductance changes from 1H (when the core is away) to 3H (when the core is inside the coil).  See the graph below for a realistic relationship between the core's distance and the inductance of the coil (taken from a real linear motor).
According to your calculations when the core is away the current flowing through the coil is 8.66A and when the core is inside the coil the current flowing in it is 5A. ...Fine.

Let's assume that the acceleration of the core into the coil from 10cm away takes 100ms and when the core reaches the middle of the coil its speed is 1m/s.
10µs before the core reaches the middle of the coil, a switch is opened and all of the energy stored in the coil (37.5J) is discharged into an ideal capacitor in 10µs.  Now all of the energy is in the capacitor and no current flows through the coil. At this point the capacitor is disconnected from the coil (so it cannot recharge the coil back) and the massive core continues on its path with constant velocity because now the coil is opened and has no current flowing in it, thus it cannot exert any force on the departing core.

But wait!  Now, we have all of our input energy recovered in a capacitor but the departing core has significant remaining kinetic energy  :o

Verpies,

A very interesting puzzle indeed and I thought about it.

Think about this:  When the ideal core is being attracted to the ideal coil, that's a linear motor action that's taking place.  The ideal core still has mass.  The coil is transferring some of its stored energy and it's being converted into the kinetic energy of the moving core.  So just before the capacitor charging through the diode will take place, the current flowing in the coil will be _less_ than 5 amperes.  We know that a "motor action" will cause a voltage drop inside a coil.  In the case of this example, as the core accelerates towards the ideal coil, there will be an "internal counter-EMF" taking place inside the loop of the ideal coil that effectively reduces the current to lower than 5 amperes.   So the current in the coil will decease due to two factors, 1) the increased inductance, and 2) the internal counter-EMF from the motor action.

After the capacitor is charged up and the mass of the core continues past the now-dead ideal coil, the kinetic energy in the core plus the potential energy in the capacitor will still total to 37.5 joules.

Sounds reasonable?   ;D

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 04, 2014, 07:15:43 PM
So the current in the coil will decease due to two factors, 1) the increased inductance, and 2) the internal counter-EMF from the motor action.
Yes ℰ=-dΦ/dt but ΔiΔΦ.
If ΔidΦ/dt that would mean that the current in the coil depends on how quickly you'd allow the core to be attracted into the coil.

What if masses of two ferrites are different but their permeabilities are the same?
Different acceleration, different acceleration period and different dΦ/dt.
...but the same attraction force, the same flux change attempt, the same current change, the same inductance change.

What if the ferrite core collides with a plastic ball of equal mass sitting in the middle of the coil and transfers all of its kinetic energy to it.  Now the ferrite sits motionless inside the middle of the coil and the plastic ball is speeding away.  How does the system "know" that the ferrite was moving just a moment ago, and less energy is supposed to be transferred from a coil loaded with motionless ferrite to the recovery capacitor?

What if a ferrite is repeatedly inserted into a superconducting coil very slowly but withdrawn very quickly (by an external worker) - will the current in the superconductor increase with each cycle until the coil breaks down?

Isn't the decrease of current in the coil simply proportional the integral of the CEMF generated during the attempt to increase the total flux (e.g. the approach) ?
The Lenz law that is responsible for the CEMF doesn't care whether the attempted increase of the magnetic flux happens quickly or slowly (disregarding the dΦ/dt)... as long as the total flux through the coil remains constant before and after approach.

The decrease of current in the coil that follows the increased inductance can be explained in two ways:
1) Energy conservation.
2) Lenz Law's reaction to an attempt to increase the total flux through the coil by the hi-perm core.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on May 04, 2014, 07:47:54 PM
Question to LUC


These folks that are running this presentation .
What is their previous involvement in benevolent or charitable behavior,do they have a history of helping to open source or giving freely of their time and hard work [Like yourself and many here].


I am being quite serious and honestly do not know the character or these people.
One very big red flag for poor character is the honesty issue which has been referenced here.


or has that been taken out of context??





thx
Chet

Hi Chet,

I don't know the answer to that question. So not knowing, why judge. Even if I knew! why judge?  All actions are accounted for. None can escape cause and effect.

I may use a different approach based on what I understand. Does that make me better then the QEG team?... only if I judge it to be.
Judgement is an action and in time cause and effect will come into play.

Each create and experience their own play based on their actions

Luc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tim123 on May 04, 2014, 08:38:10 PM
fix (verb)

1. fasten (something) securely in a particular place or position.

2. decide or settle on (a specific price, date, course of action, etc.).

3. mend or repair.

4. make arrangements for (something); organize.

5. make (a dye, photographic image, or drawing) permanent.

6. (informal) influence the outcome of (something, especially a race, match, or election) by illegal or underhand means.

7. (informal) take an injection of a narcotic drug.

8. (NORTH AMERICAN) castrate or spay (an animal).

So... which definition of 'fix' do 'Fix the World' have in mind?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tim123 on May 04, 2014, 08:50:16 PM
And another few things, while I'm at it...

 - 'Hope Moore' has to be a 'stage-name'. It's an instruction not a name.
 - 'Hope' is wearing a *tin-foil hat* in a pic on the home page! Red flag!
 - Illuminati pyramid - with all-seeing-eye on the home page. Flags don't get any redder than this!

They are telling us - very clearly, with symbolism - that this is a lucrative joke at the expense of the stupid.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tim123 on May 04, 2014, 08:55:40 PM
Right, and their corporate logo. Looks a bit like a nice flower, eh...

The petals of the flower are coins. The logo is all about money...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 04, 2014, 09:21:35 PM
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 04, 2014, 09:27:30 PM
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 04, 2014, 11:28:25 PM
Well, in order  for me to assess the relevance of the 'hat' pic, I would have to know the context...the 'flower' certainly could represent coinage, just add imagination and stir, but the same applies with the flower imagry.

Now that pyramid this is a bit of a problem.

But that doesn't mean that the concept does not have potential...it may only mean there's nothing in the back of this particular delivery truck. 

All this calls for a viewpoint adjustment...I have left the state of cautiously optimistic and am now in the neighboring state of suspiciously optimistic.

I remain waiting patiently.

Regards...


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 05, 2014, 12:13:50 AM
So what if the Qeg fails to achieve overunity. Does this mean that this has all been a waste of time. Just the opposite. I believe that everyone who has shared their findings should be applauded. If the tone of this and other forums ever discourage others from experimentation and sharing their results, it will be a lose for all.
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I would like to register: don't call me Dumb for spend time and money in project like this one. This is my hobby and I enjoy to do that.[/size]   
I can only imagine the difficulty of fabricating and testing in the days of Tesla. We are so blessed to have such vast amount of information at our finger tips. Thank you Luc. Thank you Ariovoldo. For your replications and for sharing those with us. Thank you all that have shared your simulations and calculations. All of which is information that someday may be used to trigger an overunity device. I do not need a degree to understand and appreciate this. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by FakeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 05, 2014, 12:41:25 AM
Something like this?
That's sort of the general idea.  Analog multiplication has the advantage of being fundamentally synchronous.    The alternative is to sample two channels of A/D fast enough.  In order to make a practical instrument design, scaling for the current and voltage inputs would be needed along with protection components and such.  That particular multiplier you picked is very nice but does not seem to be available.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 05, 2014, 12:44:38 AM
Do you folks not get it?  These people are charging real money ($300/hour) to tell you how to get THEIR unit to get O.U. even though they themselves can not do it.  Forget about good attempts or good intentions, this is now their intentions....to get money to tell you how to do something they can not do.  Where I come from, this is fraud.

Not too different from Magnacoaster selling you an overunity device for $5,000 and will only accept a return of the device if it is in "working" condition.  Forget that it did not work when it left his factory, and he can not make one work himself.

Wake up folks.  Once again, these folks give all of us really working on legit stuff a bad name.

Really?  500 watts in and 100 watts out?  I can build a circuit to do that in my sleep.  Hell, my toaster is more efficient than that.  "But they are trying to save the world."  Really?  You can save the world with a fraud?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 05, 2014, 12:54:31 AM
So what if the Qeg fails to achieve overunity. Does this mean that this has all been a waste of time. Just the opposite. I believe that everyone who has shared their findings should be applauded...

"if... fails"?  The claim it to already have produced over unity.

Paramatric generators are not new.  If I start a campaign in 2014 to use a wire to communicate 2 computers using a clock, data lines would you say its not a waste of time for experimenters out of ignorance to see if such a task can be accomplished?  Both serial communication and paramatric generators are history and in use.  The claim it to already have produced over unity.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by FakeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 05, 2014, 12:59:06 AM
The alternative is to sample two channels of A/D fast enough.  In order to make a practical instrument design, scaling for the current and voltage inputs would be needed
Which means simultaneous sampling and analog preamplification to always take advantage of the full dynamic range of these ADCs.  Otherwise you'd be multiplying two huge quantization errors...and in some cases that can lead to only 4 discrete power levels, ...an ugly low res staircase!

That particular multiplier you picked is very nice but does not seem to be available.
But you can get the ADL5391 from here (http://uk.farnell.com/analog-devices/adl5391acpz/ic-multiplier-2-0ghz-16lfcsp/dp/2072484) for $15.
That one can go up to 2GHz but is unbuffered.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by FAKEGirl)
Post by: john_doe on May 05, 2014, 02:14:46 AM
Do you folks not get it?  These people are charging real money ($300/hour) to tell you how to get THEIR unit to get O.U. even though they themselves can not do it.  Forget about good attempts or good intentions, this is now their intentions....to get money to tell you how to do something they can not do.  Where I come from, this is fraud.

Not too different from Magnacoaster selling you an overunity device for $5,000 and will only accept a return of the device if it is in "working" condition.  Forget that it did not work when it left his factory, and he can not make one work himself.

Wake up folks.  Once again, these folks give all of us really working on legit stuff a bad name.

Really?  500 watts in and 100 watts out?  I can build a circuit to do that in my sleep.  Hell, my toaster is more efficient than that.  "But they are trying to save the world."  Really?  You can save the world with a fraud?

Bill

This sums it up.

I'd be embarrassed to be in the same room as Tesla let alone make the claims they have about understanding and improving on his work.
Humility would go along way with these projects.
Keep this in mind:
Most people would fear themselves crazy to understand 5% of what Tesla understood about the universe. I'm being very generous at 5%.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by FakeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 05, 2014, 03:28:42 AM
Which means simultaneous sampling and analog preamplification to always take advantage of the full dynamic range of these ADCs.  Otherwise you'd be multiplying two huge quantization errors...and in some cases that can lead to only 4 discrete power levels, ...an ugly low res staircase!
But you can get the ADL5391 from here (http://uk.farnell.com/analog-devices/adl5391acpz/ic-multiplier-2-0ghz-16lfcsp/dp/2072484) for $15.
That one can go up to 2GHz but is unbuffered.
Thanks for finding the English distributor has it in stock.  Lower frequency parts like the AD635 are stock in the USA.  The 2GHz capability of the ADL5391 is way beyond what is needed in most cases and would take incredible extra care with the surrounding circuitry to even come close to utilizing it.  I do like the linearity on that part.  Lower frequency parts like the AD635 are stock in the USA.  Those go to 250MHz which is more than adequate.  Even though they are an older design and more expensive, I lean towards them a bit for availability and zero reference at circuit common.  In either case an instrument can be devised that is within +/-3% or so without great difficulty, and maybe +/-1.5% or so if good care is taken.  A final choice on a part requires some study of the noise numbers and some other parameters.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 05, 2014, 03:30:35 AM
"if... fails"?  The claim it to already have produced over unity.

Paramatric generators are not new.  If I start a campaign in 2014 to use a wire to communicate 2 computers using a clock, data lines would you say its not a waste of time for experimenters out of ignorance to see if such a task can be accomplished?  Both serial communication and paramatric generators are history and in use.  The claim it to already have produced over unity.
Are you suggesting that you might have a means to a possible over unity clocked data bus?  I think we should start raising money right now.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 05, 2014, 04:15:08 AM
Here are the most recent results of my ongoing analysis of the QEG.

It's interesting to note that for a small amount of distance around +/-22.5 degrees from each pole the torque on the rotor is for all practical purposes linear with regard to the primary current.

It took my single core machine two days to crunch all the numbers for these graphs.  Anyone care to donate me a multi-core machine?  A 4 core Phenom system would be a much appreciated upgrade. :)

Now that I have most of the data, I'll have see about creating a better SPICE model...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 05, 2014, 07:39:07 AM
Ok, Those that find this device interesting should keep watching and experimenting. Those who have concluded that the Qeg is a dead end should stop watching. And those who are sure they are frauds and are only trying to separate a fool from his money should start a campaign to educate those poor people. Personally I do not feel that James is a crook and am willing to wait and see where this leads.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on May 05, 2014, 09:55:43 AM

 Those who have concluded that the Qeg is a dead end should stop watching.


   ??? Why!?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tim123 on May 05, 2014, 09:59:16 AM
"But they are trying to save the world."  Really?  You can save the world with a fraud?

No Bill, they're trying to 'fix' the world - not save it...

Perhaps this is the definition they intended?

fix... (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fix?s=t)
11.   slang  to take revenge on; get even with, esp by killing

Of course, if they intended to: save, mend, help, heal, repair, aid, free, etc. etc. they could have said that,. But they didn't. They chose the word 'fix'...

Perhaps they mean it in the sense of: "I'm gonna fix you up real good..."?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tim123 on May 05, 2014, 10:08:03 AM
Well, in order  for me to assess the relevance of the 'hat' pic, I would have to know the context...

http://uk.ask.com/wiki/Tin_foil_hat?lang=en

 "The notion of wearing homemade headgear for protection has become a popular stereotype and byword for paranoia, persecutory delusions, and belief in conspiracy theories. "
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on May 05, 2014, 10:29:52 AM
Now they are blameing it on the wrong caps and not yet tuned.

Here they show 35 % efficiency...

http://sitsshow.blogspot.de/2014/05/status-of-qeg-build-morocco-build-day-9.html (http://sitsshow.blogspot.de/2014/05/status-of-qeg-build-morocco-build-day-9.html)

Well, if they tune it up, I still believe, that they don´t get this above 80 % efficiency...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 05, 2014, 01:08:00 PM
Now they are blaing it on the wrong caps and not yet tuned.

Here they show 35 % efficiency...

http://sitsshow.blogspot.de/2014/05/status-of-qeg-build-morocco-build-day-9.html

Well, if they tune it up, I still believe, that they don´t get this above 80 % efficiency...
Mr. Jalapeno does not sound very much like an independent evaluator to me.  He speaks very much as an apologist.  The bottom line is that these machines do not do what WITTS and FTW claim:  resonance or no resonance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 05, 2014, 01:19:32 PM
"if... fails"?  The claim it to already have produced over unity.

Paramatric generators are not new.  If I start a campaign in 2014 to use a wire to communicate 2 computers using a clock, data lines would you say its not a waste of time for experimenters out of ignorance to see if such a task can be accomplished?  Both serial communication and paramatric generators are history and in use.  The claim it to already have produced over unity.

They might claim it, but they are .... well.... let's just say that their claim is unsupported by evidence or data, and they fully know it. On this side of the Red River, we have a descriptive term for that set of circumstances.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 05, 2014, 01:48:28 PM
Now they are blaing it on the wrong caps and not yet tuned.

Here they show 35 % efficiency...

http://sitsshow.blogspot.de/2014/05/status-of-qeg-build-morocco-build-day-9.html (http://sitsshow.blogspot.de/2014/05/status-of-qeg-build-morocco-build-day-9.html)

Well, if they tune it up, I still believe, that they don´t get this above 80 % efficiency...

Those pictures are very revealing. The portable Hantek scope is indicating many kV in the yellow channel, working through that impressively phallic High Voltage Probe..... and the other channel is indicating some few milliVolts. Pickup? Noise? Current in a CSR? Voltage in their improperly connected Current Transformer? Who knows.... perhaps the Shadow knows.
Now consider the construction of that HV probe. It is made that way for a really good reason. Now look around that workbench. You see all the pretty colored clipleads, the scattered wiring, the thin insulation, the absurd air-core coil? You see all the high-voltage capacitors connected in a string? You see the safety bleeder resistors.... no, wait.... you _don't_ see the safety bleeders, or crowd control, or good HV layout and operator discipline....


Can anyone tell me the actual value or approximate range of the capacitors that their build allegedly requires? I have a large box of actual HV capacitors, strontium titanate dielectric, each one 400 pF at 30 kV, they are commonly referred to as "doorknob" caps.

High voltage current monitoring ala QEGgers:

 :-[
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 05, 2014, 01:51:49 PM
Them folks gonna find out one day just what 28 kV and a bunch of charged up capacitors can rilly do. They gwine think they God hissef done reached out and smote them.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 05, 2014, 02:26:31 PM
Those little silver microwave capacitors in all likelihood are polyester.  They were designed for 50Hz/60Hz use.  The have significant ESR compared to polypropylene or air core door knob caps designed for HF use,  Above 50Hz/60Hz the microwave caps can heat up to much, and perhaps fail during a long run.  On the other hand, they usually have an internal 10meg bleeder resistor.

Miles,

I think you were wondering about this:
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 05, 2014, 04:06:41 PM
Why does the Mutual Inductance depend on the Primary Current ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 05, 2014, 04:17:23 PM
Why does the Mutual Inductance depend on the Primary Current ?

The mutual inductance is calculated here as

Secondary Flux / Primary Current

or equivalently,

Primary Flux / Secondary Current
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tysb3 on May 05, 2014, 04:57:19 PM
Tishatang (http://www.energeticforum.com/members/tishatang.html)

I found some info that I think relates to this discussion thread.  This pdf has lots of info re ferro resonance.
 
 http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/T...%20and%20D.pdf (http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/Trans-verter%20R%20and%20D.pdf)
 
 Also new for me, is this statement on page 26 about "iron loss" the core loses weight.  Maybe this is the source of the energy, loss of mass converted?
 
  Quote:
  Resonance is the fundamental base of ZPE energy transformation.
 OU is transformation. On an improper heat treated & aged transformer laminate plates at resonance a phenomenon occurs called Iron loss. (Core looses weight) & no one wants to touch the issue with a ten meter pole. Seike reported weight loss in his ferroxplana cores, proper resonance with nature open door to Unforced sea of energy


Maybe someone can forward this info to the QEG team.  Maybe it will help solve some problems?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 05, 2014, 05:00:42 PM
The mutual inductance is calculated here as  Secondary Flux / Primary Current
But flux does not generate current in inductors.  Only a change in flux does.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on May 05, 2014, 05:06:17 PM
In fact it is only the varation of the inductance who produce electricity in coil, the more this variation is the more you get electricity.
An intersting thing is to known what material other than the magnet is capable of diminish or raise the inductance?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 05, 2014, 05:07:35 PM
Tishatang (http://www.energeticforum.com/members/tishatang.html)

I found some info that I think relates to this discussion thread.  This pdf has lots of info re ferro resonance.
 
 http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/T...%20and%20D.pdf (http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/Trans-verter%20R%20and%20D.pdf)
 
 Also new for me, is this statement on page 26 about "iron loss" the core loses weight.  Maybe this is the source of the energy, loss of mass converted?
 
  Quote:
  Resonance is the fundamental base of ZPE energy transformation.
 OU is transformation. On an improper heat treated & aged transformer laminate plates at resonance a phenomenon occurs called Iron loss. (Core looses weight) & no one wants to touch the issue with a ten meter pole. Seike reported weight loss in his ferroxplana cores, proper resonance with nature open door to Unforced sea of energy


Maybe someone can forward this info to the QEG team.  Maybe it will help solve some problems?

Speaking of iron loss, the M19 laminations used in he QEG have a loss figure of 2 watts/lbs at 60Hz when driven 10,000 Gauss.  In the QEG running at 400Hz loss figure will float upwards of 1 kilo-watt of heat dissipated in the core.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 05, 2014, 05:08:54 PM
Tishatang (http://www.energeticforum.com/members/tishatang.html)

I found some info that I think relates to this discussion thread.  This pdf has lots of info re ferro resonance.
 
 http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/T...%20and%20D.pdf (http://www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/Trans-verter%20R%20and%20D.pdf)
 
 Also new for me, is this statement on page 26 about "iron loss" the core loses weight.  Maybe this is the source of the energy, loss of mass converted?
 
  Quote:
  Resonance is the fundamental base of ZPE energy transformation.
 OU is transformation. On an improper heat treated & aged transformer laminate plates at resonance a phenomenon occurs called Iron loss. (Core looses weight) & no one wants to touch the issue with a ten meter pole. Seike reported weight loss in his ferroxplana cores, proper resonance with nature open door to Unforced sea of energy


Maybe someone can forward this info to the QEG team.  Maybe it will help solve some problems?

Speaking of iron loss, the M19 laminations used in he QEG have a loss figure of 2 watts/lbs at 60Hz when driven 10,000 Gauss.  In the QEG running at 400Hz the total core loss figure will float upwards of 1 kilo-watt of energy dissipated as heat in the core.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 05, 2014, 05:11:50 PM
An interesting thing is to known what material other than the magnet is capable of diminish or raise the inductance?
A ferromagnetic substance can increase the inductance of an air coil and a diamagnetic substance can decrease it.
Shorted conducting loops or bulk conductors can decrease it too.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on May 05, 2014, 05:15:46 PM
Quote
A ferromagnetic substance can increase the inductance of an air coil and a diamagnetic substance can decrease it.

Yes, for ferromagnetic you are right, for the diamagnetic I do not know but I think it is.

Quote
Shorted conducting loops or bulk conductors can decrease it too.

Oops, yes it is perfectly exact, and with my multimeter there is no current heven in the minimum. :(
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 05, 2014, 08:16:25 PM
A very interesting puzzle indeed and I thought about it.

So just before the capacitor charging through the diode will take place, the current flowing in the coil will be _less_ than 5 amperes. 
This puzzle is still bothering me so I have found a relevant video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvShY8YAis4).
Unfortunately it depicts a hard ferromagnet instead of a soft one.

If the current induced in a superconducting coil after a magnet was pulled out of it were proportional to -dΦ/dt instead of ΔΦ, then after the magnet was returned back inside the coil, the current flowing in it would be non-zero if the pull-out speed was greater than the pull-in speed.

An interesting argument that I heard in support of this behavior was from forest who noticed that the current induced in the coil is proportional to the number of "flux lines" that would cut the coil if it was open.  The number of "flux lines" attempting to cut the coil is the same during the pull-out as during the pull-in, thus the net current at the end of this cycle is zero.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 05, 2014, 09:11:27 PM
One more data visualization for the QEG rotor torque vs rotor angle and primary current.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 05, 2014, 09:21:58 PM
One more data visualization for the QEG rotor torque vs rotor angle and primary current.
Very nice surface plot.  The inventors should be ashamed that they have not provided data like this
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 05, 2014, 09:27:06 PM
Very nice surface plot.  The inventors should be ashamed that they have not provided data like this

I was thinking the same thing.  If Jamie was worth his salt as an engineer, he would have. 

Do you think Hope is controlling him against his will, making him commit reputational suicide?

If this thing turns out to be a flop, those two are going to get laughed off the planet...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 05, 2014, 09:42:13 PM
Do you think Hope is controlling him against his will, making him commit reputational suicide?
I am a very poor judge of character.  I'm more often wrong than right about people.
I am successful only with machines: circuits, computers, etc...

Can't be good at everything...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 06, 2014, 01:28:03 AM
Verpies,

Very interesting points that you raise and you linked to a very interesting video clip.  I am going to confess I don't have the answer.  I might be able to get it but I was never very good at doing my own differential or integral analysis from scratch.  I could do the basic stuff but to solve this riddle I would have to review the standard EM formulas and then try to do the analysis.  It would be like doing a calculus problem based on an electric circuit example and it would take me hours and hours to make any headway.  I don't have the fire in the belly to do that or the time.  Plus when you get out of school how many people actually "exercise" their brains for this material when they start to work?

For what it's worth, I can follow and understand simple to moderately complex examples and I find them so elegant to watch and I do appreciate.

I stumbled upon this teacher's YouTube clips and I enjoy watching them from time to time, he is such a great communicator:

https://www.youtube.com/user/lasseviren1/videos

I have linked to his elegant clips a few times in the past.

That's my cop-out and I am sticking to it!  lol

Meanwhile,

F_Brown,

Great number crunching!  It's amazing to think that people may have spent months and months in the 1950s on adding machines to get the same results you got in a few days.  If you had a "real" CPU it would take hours.  Also, if you have a higher-end AMD/ATI or Nvidea graphics card you might find a modeling package that would use your GPU.  Then all of a sudden you have a parallel processing super supercomputer to work with.

Meanwhile, it looks like the forum software has scrambled brains, the formating is all amiss.  MIB attack!  lol

Meanwhile, no hope for HopeGirl and what will the soon-to-be former-minions do I wonder?   Get your pitchforks!  lol

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 06, 2014, 01:40:36 AM
F_Brown,

Great number crunching!  It's amazing to think that people may have spent months and months in the 1950s on adding machines to get the same results you got in a few days.  If you had a "real" CPU it would take hours.  Also, if you have a higher-end AMD/ATI or Nvidea graphics card you might find a modeling package that would use your GPU.  Then all of a sudden you have a parallel processing super supercomputer to work with.



I know, I know.  Such are the things I dream of...

Quote

Meanwhile, it looks like the forum software has scrambled brains, the formating is all amiss.  MIB attack!  lol

Meanwhile, no hope for HopeGirl and what will the soon-to-be former-minions do I wonder?   Get your pitchforks!  lol

MileHigh

I was having trouble with the site too, and was wondering about that. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Vortex1 on May 06, 2014, 01:47:13 AM
I was thinking the same thing.  If Jamie was worth his salt as an engineer, he would have. 

Do you think Hope is controlling him against his will, making him commit reputational suicide?

If this thing turns out to be a flop, those two are going to get laughed off the planet...

Maybe they won't care if they are laughing all the way to the bank, and had a lot of nice vacations and meals in foreign lands. I wonder who (what relative) is making $3K a pop for those lamination samples.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 06, 2014, 02:00:17 AM
I've priced small count lots from transformer manufacturers, and the price for the QEG core from Torelco actually sounds like a pretty good price all considered.

I want to get my new and improved spice model working so that I can then compare that to the results from the builders.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 06, 2014, 02:35:20 AM
Very interesting points that you raise and you linked to a very interesting video clip.  I am going to confess I don't have the answer. 
Well, at least we had an intelligent conversation.  I wish that there was more of that on this forum.

To tell you the truth I don't feel comfortable with the Lenz law being in conflict with the C.o.E. either.

I watched 3 videos about the Lenz law from Lasseviren1 and I like the way he expresses himself.
I noticed that he wrongly used B where he should have used Φ, because a "hoop wants to minimize" the change in total flux, not a change in flux density. 
The "Status Quo" that he mentions should refer to total flux (Φ) through the hoop - not the flux density (B) through the hoop.

I wish I had his email to talk to him, because I am not registered on YT and never will be.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Vortex1 on May 06, 2014, 02:48:44 AM
I've priced small count lots from transformer manufacturers, and the price for the QEG core from Torelco actually sounds like a pretty good price all considered.

I want to get my new and improved spice model working so that I can then compare that to the results from the builders.

Would a tape wound core work in this application? I understand there are articulations in the center ring, but maybe there are ways around this. The tooling cost would probably be a lot less than a custom die or laser cut laminations. Tapewound cores are often used in large Variacs and toroidal power transformers.

How much does the core weigh?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 06, 2014, 02:50:42 AM
Well, at least we had an intelligent conversation.  I wish that there was more of that on this forum.

To tell you the truth I don't feel comfortable with the Lenz law being in conflict with the C.o.E. either.

I watched 3 videos about the Lenz law from Lasseviren1 and I like the way he expresses himself.
I noticed that he wrongly used B where he should have used Φ, because a "hoop wants to minimize" the change in total flux, not a change in flux density. 
The "Status Quo" that he mentions should refer to total flux (Φ) through the hoop - not the flux density (B) through the hoop.

I wish I had his email to talk to him, because I am not registered on YT and never will be.
Lenz' Law enforces CoE for Faraday's Law of Induction.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 06, 2014, 03:05:28 AM
Would a tape wound core work in this application? I understand there are articulations in the center ring, but maybe there are ways around this. The tooling cost would probably be a lot less than a custom die or laser cut laminations. Tapewound cores are often used in large Variacs and toroidal power transformers.

How much does the core weigh?

The rotor and core laminations total 33 kgs.  The windings add another 20 kgs.

I tend to doubt a tape wound core would work.  I thought about that too.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 06, 2014, 09:57:50 AM
Lenz' Law enforces CoE for Faraday's Law of Induction.
Yes it does, but sth is different in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvShY8YAis4) situation when a closed coil is used with movable ferrite and KE is accounted for.

In an ideal shorted coil, any non-zero EMF (ℰ) would result in infinite current because I=ℰ/R.
So Faraday's Law of Induction (ℰ = -dΦ/dt) does not seem to apply in case of ideal shorted coils because the Lenz law always keeps dΦ/dt=0.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 06, 2014, 11:57:15 AM
Yes it does, but sth is different in this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvShY8YAis4) situation when a closed coil is used with movable ferrite and KE is accounted for.

In an ideal shorted coil, any non-zero EMF (ℰ) would result in infinite current because I=ℰ/R.
So Faraday's Law of Induction (ℰ = -dΦ/dt) does not seem to apply in case of ideal shorted coils because the Lenz law always keeps dΦ/dt=0.
Lenz' Law only states the direction of the induced EMF that results from Faraday's Law of Induction.  Lenz' Law is the "-" sign in:  ℰ = -dΦ/dt.

In the case of a superconducting ring, there is no resistance, but there is inductance.  The current does not build to an infinite value.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/farlaw.html

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/farlaw.html#c2

Consider that in the familiar experiment of a strong magnet suspended above a superconducting plate, the Lorentz force is exactly equal to the acceleration due to gravity.  The magnet does not fall, and it does not go shooting towards the sky.  The induced current generates a finite magnetic flux.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/solids/maglev.html


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 06, 2014, 01:07:01 PM
Lenz' Law only states the direction of the induced EMF that results from Faraday's Law of Induction.  Lenz' Law is the "-" sign in:  ℰ = -dΦ/dt.
Not only.  It also refers to the magnitude of the induced current.

In an ideal shorted coil, any non-zero EMF (ℰ) would result in infinite current because I=ℰ/R.
In the case of a superconducting ring, there is no resistance, but there is inductance.  The current does not build to an infinite value.
I know.  That's why I used the conditional word "would" to illustrate the absurd proposition of non-zero EMF in a zero resistance loop.

Consider that in the familiar experiment of a strong magnet suspended above a superconducting plate, the Lorentz force is exactly equal to the acceleration due to gravity.  The magnet does not fall, and it does not go shooting towards the sky.  The induced current generates a finite magnetic flux.
Again, you do not need to prove this to me because I already know that induced flux is finite.

My point was another one.
Namely, that a closed superconducting loop maintains constant flux through its crossection.
Constant flux also means that dΦ/dt=0 and that EMF is zero.

Instead of proving the obvious to me, you should concentrate on answering this interesting question:
Q: "A magnet is pulled out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvShY8YAis4) of a shorted superconducting aircoil.  Does the magnitude of the final current induced in that coil depend on how quickly the magnet is pulled out ?".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 06, 2014, 01:45:18 PM
Ariovaldo:

Greatly appreciate your efforts and the info that you've openly shared.  No matter the outcome of the QEG you provide many who are naturally curious and inquisitive an opportunity to learn more.  Thank you for posting your findings whether they are disappointing or not.  You're a true experimenter and do fine work.

In return for sharing your data you deserve constructive feedback that may help you to accurately analyze it and gather more.  In case it will help you I'm attaching some audio spectrum screens that I saved of your most recent video titled: Quantum Energy Generator - Ariovaldo Replication > http://youtu.be/cSNNJyvznAc (http://youtu.be/cSNNJyvznAc)

I noticed that on this YouTube video post you listed the frequency as 195 Hz but listed it as 95 Hz on this thread.  Perhaps a typo on this thread, because if 195 Hz is the frequency on your oscilloscope at the 1:20 minute mark of your video it matches up with the 193 Hz frequency in the attached audio spectrum file named QEG Ariovaldo 1.20MinMark 0.5K LoadOn Oscope.jpg.  I captured that audio spectrum screen as you were zoomed in on your oscilloscope so that this comparison could be made.  The other two attached files show a broader audio spectrum span to show the peak audio frequency at 1067 Hz and the higher order harmonics.

Let me know if there are any other specific audio spectrums of your videos that you would like to see.  It will be very interesting to find out more about the mechanical resonance frequency and the electrical resonance frequency of your QEG and how the changes you make will affect them.  Please confirm if the sinusoidal frequency displayed on your oscilloscope at the 1:20 minute mark of this video is an output frequency of 195 Hz.  I understood that your total primary capacitance was 0.125uF, if possible it would also be good to confirm the following:

1. RPM of the QEG rotor during this video run?
2. Inductance of your primary and secondary coils and the wire size and length used?
3. Any deviations from the QEG User Manual and schematic other than DC motor pulley ratio and the end plate material?

Looking forward to the other tests you have planned, be safe first and foremost.

Muy bien hecho, saludos con mucha gratitude.


Thank you for the incentive words!!
You are right. The frequency was about 195 Hz and I had problems with my tachometer, so I'm no sure about the speed. I have a new tachometer and a new motor coming. I hope this weekend I can have some more tests done. One thing that I will try to do, is to install the inductor, the capacitor and the spark gap as their suggestion and run the system in 400 Hz. Let to see how that will works.


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 06, 2014, 01:54:41 PM
Would a tape wound core work in this application? I understand there are articulations in the center ring, but maybe there are ways around this. The tooling cost would probably be a lot less than a custom die or laser cut laminations. Tapewound cores are often used in large Variacs and toroidal power transformers.

How much does the core weigh?


The price is about U$ 1300.00 from Polaris lamination.


Cheers


Ariovaldo

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 06, 2014, 02:03:54 PM
So what if the Qeg fails to achieve overunity. Does this mean that this has all been a waste of time. Just the opposite. I believe that everyone who has shared their findings should be applauded. If the tone of this and other forums ever discourage others from experimentation and sharing their results, it will be a lose for all.  I can only imagine the difficulty of fabricating and testing in the days of Tesla. We are so blessed to have such vast amount of information at our finger tips. Thank you Luc. Thank you Ariovoldo. For your replications and for sharing those with us. Thank you all that have shared your simulations and calculations. All of which is information that someday may be used to trigger an overunity device. I do not need a degree to understand and appreciate this.


Thank my friend !!
Even if the QEG does't get OU, I'm learning a lot with the process.
In a project like that we can't stop and think what we are doing. If we do that, we will not going to start anything. There is nothing in what we learn that can give technical and theoretical support  for that.


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 06, 2014, 02:39:31 PM
Not only.  It also refers to the magnitude of the induced current.
No, no, a thousand times no.  Lenz' Law only specifies the direction of induced EMF, nothing else.
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In the case of a superconducting ring, there is no resistance, but there is inductance.  The current does not build to an infinite value.

I know.  That's why I used the conditional word "would" to illustrate the absurd proposition of non-zero EMF in a zero resistance loop.
Again, you do not need to prove this to me because I already know that induced flux is finite.


My point was another one.
Namely, that a closed superconducting loop maintains constant flux through its crossection.
Constant flux also means that dΦ/dt=0 and that EMF is zero.
A superconductor rejects the magnetic field within the conductor.  IOW: the internal inductance approaches infinity, the skin depth approaches zero and the the EMF appears entirely on the surface.
Quote

Instead of proving the obvious to me,
Your post incorrectly claimed that a superconducting ring violates Lenz' Law.  It does not.
Quote

you should concentrate on answering this interesting question:
Q: "A magnet is pulled out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvShY8YAis4) of a shorted superconducting aircoil.  Does the magnitude of the final current induced in that coil depend on how quickly the magnet is pulled out ?".
That is a new question.  The answer is yes: changing dB/dt changes the induced current.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 06, 2014, 03:56:47 PM
No, no, a thousand times no.  Lenz' Law only specifies the direction of induced EMF, nothing else.
So let's agree to disagree on the interpretation of this law.  There is nothing to be gained by arguing over formalities.
Perhaps you call the tendency to minimize the change of flux through the hole of a shorted coil by another name. I am interested to learn by what?

If however you claim that a constant magnetic flux is not maintained through the hole of an closed ideal conductive loop, then let's discuss that.

A superconductor rejects the magnetic field within the conductor. 
But the subject of this conversation is a closed superconducting loop with a hole, not some holeless superconducting disk, etc...
We are discussing the magnetic flux through that hole - not flux within the superconducting material.
You do not claim that a closed superconducting loop rejects all the magnetic flux in that hole, do you?
( Note: This is very different from claiming that a  closed superconducting loop rejects all changes to the magnetic flux in that hole )

Your post incorrectly claimed that a superconducting ring violates Lenz' Law. 
You misunderstood. It did not.
I claim that a constant magnetic flux is maintained through the hole of a closed ideal conductive loop, and any electric current induced in that loop will achieve the exact magnitude to keep that flux constant.

That is a new question.  The answer is yes: changing dB/dt changes the induced current.
First of all, changing magnetic flux density (dB/dt) does not cause any voltage to be induced across any coil nor any current in any coil.  I guess that dB was a typo.
It is the changing magnetic flux (dΦ/dt) that causes a voltage (EMF) to be induced across a non-shorted coil. 
Magnetic flux lines must attempt to cut the coil in order to change the current flowing in it.  Mere attempt to change the density of those lines does nothing.

Secondly, because a constant magnetic flux is maintained through the hole of an closed ideal conductive loop, then the dΦ/dt=0.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 06, 2014, 04:36:55 PM
So let's agree to disagree on the interpretation of this law.  There is nothing to be gained by arguing over formalities.
No, let's stick to the accepted definitions of established scientific laws.  If one decides that one can make up their own definitions for established laws then one can play all kinds of ridiculous games claiming to violate the made up definitions.  That is a completely pointless undertaking.
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Perhaps you call the tendency to minimize the change of flux through the hole of a shorted coil by another name. I am interested to know by what?
You can decide to adopt the same language that the rest of the world uses to describe induction or not.
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If however you claim that a constant magnetic flux is not maintained through the hole of an ideal closed conductive loop, then let's discuss that.
Faraday cages still work.  If you want one to work in all three axes, then it needs to be a closed surface.
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But the subject of this conversation is a superconducting loop with a hole, not some holeless superconducting disk, etc...
The subject as stated was the false assertion that the flat toroid violates Lenz' Law.  It does not violate Lenz' Law.
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We are discussing the magnetic flux through that hole - not flux within the superconducting material.
You seem to keep changing what it is that you wish to discuss.  Are we done with Lenz' now?
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You do not claim that a superconducting loop rejects all the magnetic flux in that hole, do you?
I never said such a thing.
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( Note: This is very different from claiming that a superconducting loop rejects all changes to the magnetic flux in that hole )
You misunderstood. It did not.
I claim that a constant magnetic flux is maintained through the hole of an ideal conductive loop, and any current induced in that loop will achieve the exact magnitude to keep that flux constant.
No.
As there is nothing to create an image in the perpendicular axis, I disagree.
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First of all, changing magnetic flux density (dB/dt) does not cause any voltage to be induced across any coil nor any current in any coil.  I guess that dB was a typo.
Tell that to the ignition coil in your automobile.  If it is perpendicular to the length of a conductor, dB/dt most certainly induces a voltage.
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It is the changing magnetic flux (dΦ/dt) that causes a voltage (EMF) to be induced across a non-shorted coil. 
Which can be found as dB/dt x L and the induction occurs whether or not the coil is shorted.
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Secondly, because a constant magnetic flux is maintained through the hole of an ideal closed conductive loop, then the dΦ/dt=0.
In the plane of the flat torus that is true.  Perpendicular to it is a different matter.  If that were not true, think of all the money we could save shielding circuits, EMC chambers and the like by leaving two opposite sides open.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 06, 2014, 05:31:03 PM
You can decide to adopt the same language that the rest of the world uses to describe induction .
So what do you call the tendency to minimize the change of flux through the hole of a shorted coil ?

Faraday cages still work.  If you want one to work in all three axes, then it needs to be a closed surface.
Now you are changing the subject

The subject as stated was the false assertion that the flat toroid violates Lenz' Law.
No you misunderstood.  I agree with the Lenz law.

As there is nothing to create an image in the perpendicular axis, I disagree.
So are you claiming that this simulation (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvShY8YAis4) is incorrect ?
If not, I do not see the total flux in the hole varying as the magnet is pulled out.
Which axis? What image?

Tell that to the ignition coil in your automobile. 
I did and she said that it cares about varying flux only.  It does not care about local flux density.

If it is perpendicular to the length of a conductor, dB/dt most certainly induces a voltage.
Which can be found as dB/dt x L and the induction occurs whether or not the coil is shorted.
Only when magnetic flux lines cut the conductor.  That does not happen in a superconductive loop.

In the plane of the flat torus that is true. 
And the flux penetrating the inside plane of the loop is all that influences the current flowing in the loop.
The distribution of that flux (B) across that plane does not affect the current flowing in that loop.

Perpendicular to it is a different matter.  If that were not true, think of all the money we could save shielding circuits, EMC chambers and the like by leaving two opposite sides open.
Yes, it is a different matter.  The height of the torus is negligible - that's why I call it a loop.
We are not discussing Faraday's cages. We are discussing whether the rate of attempted change of flux (dΦ/dt) penetrating the inside plane of the loop (or a Gaussian surface bounding the inside of that loop) affects the final magnitude of the current induced in that loop.

The answer is yes: changing dB/dt changes the induced current.
Varying dB/dt was not even the subject of the original question.

However if changing dΦ/dt changes the induced current then inserting the magnet slowly into the hole and pulling it out quickly, and doing that repeatedly would increase the magnitude of the current flowing in the closed superconducting loop with each cycle, until HC was reached and all hell broke loose ... yet somehow this does not happen
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 06, 2014, 08:17:49 PM
It's impossible for anything to achieve an infinite value because no such set value exists by definition. Anything that points to any value that is infinite is inadequate. Infinity cannot even be approached. I say that some folks ought to seriously think about restricting the use of terms like infinite current and approaching infinity because they are impossibilities.

Only the continuance of events in the Universe will go on without end, that is the only infinity, and that isn't time either, "time" as a human contrivance will end when people do.

Bottom line is that any output energy is simply captured or transformed, if a device can capture energy and produce over unity operation of some tens or hundreds of watts it should be able to be measured easily and if the C.O.P. is over 2 looping to self power should be a simple process.

Everything else is just people experimenting and or making claims for various reasons, the actual reasons behind the claims are not as important as the actual performance of the device compared to the claims made.

No OU has been shown by the claimants of OU, they lied. Apparently routinely they lie.

They need to fess up and admit what they have. Their scam is so very similar to Witts it's painful to see, make false claims to get "donations" not legitimate investment. It's a scam pure and simple.

Others seeing this will want to get in on the action so we can expect even more scams because of the success of previous ones.

Cheers
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 06, 2014, 09:00:01 PM
It's impossible for anything to achieve an infinite value because no such set value exists by definition. Anything that points to any value that is infinite is inadequate. Infinity cannot even be approached. I say that some folks ought to seriously think about restricting the use of terms like infinite current and approaching infinity because they are impossibilities.
Yes but infinity is a useful mathematical and analytical concept. 
The word does not warrant a knee-jerk rejection without consideration of the context in which it was used.

Why should I use restrict my usage of the phrase "infinite current" if it can be used to show the absurdity of some situations, such as EMF in zero-resistance loop ?
Did you ever hear about the fine debating technique Reductio ad Absurdum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum) ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on May 06, 2014, 09:05:16 PM

Wouldn't it make sense to have F_Brown try an evolutionary design to put one turn of each
coil "on" then take one turn "off" in an attempt to tune the design for maximum (non ou)
power. The measured .2KVA output relative to the amount of copper and iron (steel) in this
device does not seem to be correct when the original device seemed targeted to 20KVA.
This would suggest to people how to adjust their efficiency of their core upward. While
no-one truly understands the OU paradigmn of this device, I would expect it to start with
the most efficient underlying normal generator possible. I would try this before I varried
steel amounts in the core. One run could target maximum power. Another the maximum
power efficiency relative to drive horse-power near maximum power.


:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 06, 2014, 09:12:49 PM
Would a tape wound core work in this application? I understand there are articulations in the center ring, but maybe there are ways around this. The tooling cost would probably be a lot less than a custom die or laser cut laminations. Tapewound cores are often used in large Variacs and toroidal power transformers.

How much does the core weigh?


My first QEG using material that I had in my shop... Now I will test it in my motionless version.
The weigh is 40 pounds, diameter 11 inches,






Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 06, 2014, 09:36:24 PM
Yes but infinity is a useful mathematical and analytical concept. 
The word does not warrant a knee-jerk rejection without consideration of the context in which it was used.

Why should I use restrict my usage of the phrase "infinite current" if it can be used to show the absurdity of some situations, such as EMF in zero-resistance loop ?
Did you ever hear about the fine debating technique Reductio ad Absurdum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reductio_ad_absurdum) ?

I didn't say you should restrict it, I said you should consider it. I would say that many people on here are not engineers and some would take it literally that there is infinite current. I just thought it might be a good idea to consider modifying the way it is used. People can do as they please and they will, including myself. I probably should have said it might be helpful to add that these values are theoretically impossible.

It is impossible to approach infinity or to have infinite current. Am I wrong? Maybe just adding the word theoretically could help.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: herm on May 06, 2014, 10:42:04 PM
I tried adding clamp on pole pieces to a tape wound core and abandoned it since we only got 8% variation in inductance.  Let me know how you do with your mode.  A pic of my core is attached.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: T-1000 on May 06, 2014, 11:29:39 PM
I tried adding clamp on pole pieces to a tape wound core and abandoned it since we only got 8% variation in inductance.  Let me know how you do with your mode.  A pic of my core is attached.

Then you might try this one in the left:
http://filebin.net/84mauc7noc/00555190-1-generator.png (http://filebin.net/84mauc7noc/00555190-1-generator.png)
The bifilar coils F are electromagnets in Tesla patent. The coils E are generator coils. The "a" is iron on 90 degrees to the magnet. The electromagnets are for redirecting Lenz force around the ring instead of magnet. Also the rotor is very close to coils.
I assume if to keep balance you can have 0 reaction to magnet and electromagnets will help to spin rotor there... ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 07, 2014, 02:12:00 AM
I tried adding clamp on pole pieces to a tape wound core and abandoned it since we only got 8% variation in inductance.  Let me know how you do with your mode.  A pic of my core is attached.

Is that a toroidal core with pole pieces bolted on?

You should find that the inductance varies greatly with current.   You'd have to put some power through the thing to see the self-inductance drop as the power goes up, or maybe less to see a greater difference.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 07, 2014, 03:07:35 AM
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    You can decide to adopt the same language that the rest of the world uses to describe induction .

So what do you call the tendency to minimize the change of flux through the hole of a shorted coil ?
Induction.
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    Faraday cages still work.  If you want one to work in all three axes, then it needs to be a closed surface.

Now you are changing the subject
Not at all.  Induction creates an image current.  Ideal induction, IE induction where there are zero losses induces an exact image current.  A Faraday cage creates image currents on all sides.  That's what makes it work.  Your ring is not closed on all sides, cannot generate an image current regardless of the orientation of the changing flux and therefore cannot cancel the flux independent of orientation.
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    The subject as stated was the false assertion that the flat toroid violates Lenz' Law.

No you misunderstood.  I agree with the Lenz law.

First you have claimed that Lenz' Law states things that it does not.  Who knows whether you are saying that you agree with the actual Lenz' Law or the one that you have made up for yourself.  Second, here is your post that started this: 
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    Lenz' Law enforces CoE for Faraday's Law of Induction.

Yes it does, but sth is different in this situation when a closed coil is used with movable ferrite and KE is accounted for.

In an ideal shorted coil, any non-zero EMF (ℰ) would result in infinite current because I=ℰ/R.
So Faraday's Law of Induction (ℰ = -dΦ/dt) does not seem to apply in case of ideal shorted coils because the Lenz law always keeps dΦ/dt=0.

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    As there is nothing to create an image in the perpendicular axis, I disagree.

So are you claiming that this simulation is incorrect ?
If not, I do not see the total flux in the hole varying as the magnet is pulled out.
I have not evaluated the animation.
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Which axis? What image?
Flux can change in the Z axis without generation of corresponding matching image currents in the X-Y plane.
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    Tell that to the ignition coil in your automobile.

I did and she said that it cares about varying flux only.  It does not care about local flux density.
Are you unclear what dt means?
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    If it is perpendicular to the length of a conductor, dB/dt most certainly induces a voltage.
    Which can be found as dB/dt x L and the induction occurs whether or not the coil is shorted.

Only when magnetic flux lines cut the conductor.  That does not happen in a superconductive loop.
Now you seem to be unclear about what "x" signifies as in cross product.
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    In the plane of the flat torus that is true.

And the flux penetrating the inside plane of the loop is all that influences the current flowing in the loop.
But should not be confused for all of the flux from the magnet, much of which easily goes straight through that hole with its permeability of 1.  If you are having trouble with this, consider what happens when you make the ID of the donut approach the OD of the donut.  For a constant OD, do you think that  the current: 

a. gets bigger
b. stays the same
c. gets smaller

than with a small ID?
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The distribution of that flux (B) across that plane does not affect the current flowing in that loop.
The rate at which the flux changes sure does.
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Quote from: MarkE on Today at 04:36:55 PM

    Perpendicular to it is a different matter.  If that were not true, think of all the money we could save shielding circuits, EMC chambers and the like by leaving two opposite sides open.

Yes, it is a different matter.  The height of the torus is negligible - that's why I call it a loop.
Thin or thick torus is not the issue.  Intercepting or not intercepting all the flux is the issue.  where a conductor does not intercept flux, it does not intercept that flux when that flux changes and does not in turn generate an image of that changing flux.
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We are not discussing Faraday's cages.
Oh, but we are.  If one wants to make it look like there is no changing flux, then one needs to intercept and image all the flux that participates in the change.
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We are discussing whether the rate of attempted change of flux (dΦ/dt) penetrating the inside plane of the loop (or a Gaussian surface bounding the inside of that loop) affects the final magnitude of the current induced in that loop.
That has been asked and answered.  The answer is yes the current depends on the rate of change of the intercepting flux.
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    The answer is yes: changing dB/dt changes the induced current.

Varying dB/dt was not even the subject of the original question.
Oh but it is.
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However if changing dΦ/dt changes the induced current then inserting the magnet slowly into the hole and pulling it out quickly, and doing that repeatedly would increase the magnitude of the current flowing in the closed superconducting loop with each cycle, until HC was reached and all hell broke loose ... yet somehow this does not happen
It doesn't happen because the work required for each new withdrawal similarly increases.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 07, 2014, 12:11:35 PM
The answer is yes the current depends on the rate of change of the intercepting flux.
However if changing dΦ/dt changes the induced current then inserting the magnet slowly into the hole and pulling it out quickly, and doing that repeatedly would increase the magnitude of the current flowing in the closed superconducting loop with each cycle, until HC was reached and all hell broke loose ... yet somehow this does not happen
It doesn't happen because the work required for each new withdrawal similarly increases.
Similarly to what?
To the work done by the pull-in ?

You have answered but you have not proven that the work done during fast withdrawal of a magnet from a closed ideal current loop is greater than the work done by the loop attracting the magnet back into the loop from the same distance.

Are you stating that if you connected that magnet to an ideal Whitworth mechanism (click here to see it animated (http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/downfile/id/574/)) then it would take non zero work to turn that crank over integer number of revolutions and after a while the superconducting loop would explode?

I claim that not only the integrals of the force over the distance are equal in both of those cases but the functions of force vs distance are equal too.

In other words the loop is conservative as far as this work is concerned and it does not matter how fast that work is done on the loop or by the loop.

Magnet & Superconducting Loop Animated GIF Test
Click here (http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/downfile/id/573/) to see it animated

I am not finished...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 07, 2014, 01:16:29 PM
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It doesn't happen because the work required for each new withdrawal similarly increases.

Similarly to what?
To the work done by the pull-in ?
Similarly to the current increasing.  For your example of slow in and fast out, after the first cycle the work released pulling in increases each cycle and the work required to withdraw the magnet faster than it gets pulled in increases.  This continues until the magnet saturates.  Then the rate of change of flux drops way off and the increases each cycle become smaller and smaller.
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You have answered but you have not proven that the work done during fast withdrawal of a magnet from a closed ideal current loop is greater than the work done by the loop attracting the magnet back into the loop from the same distance.
Ordinary text book induction backs my position.  What backs yours?  On what basis would you claim that induction fundamentally changes because the conductor gets really really good?
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I claim that not only the integrals of the force over the distance are equal in both of those cases but the functions of force vs distance are equal too.
Lorentz would disagree for the same reasons as Faraday and Maxwell.  A different rate of change of flux changes the image current and the Lorentz force.
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In other words the loop is conservative as far as this work is concerned and it does not matter how fast that work is done on the loop or by the loop.
You are greatly abusing the term "conservative".  There is not a fixed quantity of energy stored in a superconductor.  Consider that if there were that superconductors would offer no promise for energy storage.
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Magnet & Superconducting Loop Animated GIF Test
Click here (http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/downfile/id/573/) to see it animated

I am not finished...
Well I hope you eventually learn something from this.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 07, 2014, 04:51:43 PM
I have yet o work out the math for your magnet and super-conductor gizmo, although I expect the law of conservation of mass and energy would apply to this in such a way that if the super-conducting ring has zero current to begin with, then if the magnet was moved a fixed distance into the center of the loop, then withdrawn exactly the same distance, the current in the loop would return to zero, at the end, regardless of how fast the insertion or withdrawal were each separately done.

In simple terms a faster motion might take a higher value of instantaneous energy to accomplish although since the action is happening at a faster rate, the total amount of power used will equal the amount required to move the magnet in the opposite direction at a slower speed.  Fast action means more energy for less time, and slow action means less energy for more time.  I would expect the area under the curves for both cases to equal the same amount. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 07, 2014, 05:30:58 PM
I'd also like to explore a potential misconception about the CEG and harmonic frequencies.

People have been saying they they intend to or that he CEG can operate with its fundamental resonant frequency higher than the modulating or driving frequency.  Such a state would be like a rotor rpm of 100Hz and a tank resonance of 400Hz.

The Russian paper on parametric excitation that I read, http://faculty.ifmo.ru/butikov/Parexcit.pdf, only talks about modulating the system with harmonic frequencies that are higher than the primary resonant frequency.  In other words it avoids discussion of modulating the system with sub-harmonic frequencies, that is frequencies that are lower than the fundamental resonant frequency of the system.
The paper goes on to say the best way to drive the system is with a modulating frequency that is twice the fundamental resonance, that is with the 2nd harmonic, and that driving the system with higher harmonics is possible, although that works significantly less well.

Now, driving the system with a sub-harmonic may be possible, however if it was a useful and or efficient way to do so, my guess is that the paper, which was quite thorough otherwise, would have mentioned so.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 07, 2014, 07:54:51 PM
"I'd also like to explore a potential misconception about the CEG and harmonic frequencies."

The greatest misconception about the QEG is the idea that it CAN work. There is nothing in the design or concept that even hints at being possible. If Tesla could see the connection with his work, he would come back from the dead to refute this nonsense.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 07, 2014, 08:10:59 PM
"I'd also like to explore a potential misconception about the CEG and harmonic frequencies."

The greatest misconception about the QEG is the idea that it CAN work. There is nothing in the design or concept that even hints at being possible. If Tesla could see the connection with his work, he would come back from the dead to refute this nonsense.

Until it is shown otherwise by sound methods, I mean work as an under-unity generator.  For that's all I can say about it with certainty at the moment.

After another couple days of number crunching, here's the latest for the secondary side of things. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 07, 2014, 09:17:27 PM
I have yet o work out the math for your magnet and super-conductor gizmo, although I expect the law of conservation of mass and energy would apply to this in such a way that if the super-conducting ring has zero current to begin with, then if the magnet was moved a fixed distance into the center of the loop, then withdrawn exactly the same distance, the current in the loop would return to zero, at the end, regardless of how fast the insertion or withdrawal were each separately done.
I just got back.

Yes, I think so too. 
I guess I will have to connect that Whitworth Mechanism (http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/downfile/id/574/) to that Magnet over a SC hoop  (http://www.overunity.com/downloads/sa/downfile/id/573/) in order to make an absurd machine that will accumulate current in that SC loop.  (see the diagram below - yes I know its a little backwards but turning it around takes a lot of drawing).

...or better yet - an ordinary solenoid winding powered by an asymmetrical sawtooth waveform instead of the reciprocating magnet, to absurdly pump the superconducting loop into destruction with asymmetrical dΦ/dt between two halves of one cycle.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 07, 2014, 11:39:55 PM
It doesn't happen because the work required for each new withdrawal similarly increases.
Similarly to what?   To the work done by the pull-in ?
Similarly to the current increasing. 
But the work done by the pull-in is proportional to the magnitude of current flowing in that SC loop because the current exerts force on the magnet via the magnetic field it generates.  So Work ∝ Current.
Are you claiming that the integral of force over distance is disproportionate to the current flowing in the SC loop?

For your example of slow in and fast out, after the first cycle the work released pulling in increases each cycle and the work required to withdraw the magnet faster than it gets pulled in increases.
Why?
You have not proven yet that a greater dΦ/dt leaves greater current in the SC loop than smaller dΦ/dt, thus you cannot use that to prove the other statement about disproportionality of work between two halves of the cycle.

This continues until the magnet saturates. 
Only with a real magnet and it is not saturation but irreversible coercive demagnetization.
That limit does not occur in our ideal system and in a real system it can be mitigated.

Ordinary text book induction backs my position.  What backs yours? 
Logic and empiricism.
I do not consider an appeal to authority as proof.

On what basis would you claim that induction fundamentally changes because the conductor gets really really good?
Logic and empiricism.
I don't claim that induction works differently that it does.
I am trying to convince you that induction does not work like you think and a SC loop act like a spring or I'm trying to find a flaw in my thinking with your help.

Lorentz would disagree for the same reasons as Faraday and Maxwell. 
Much of their wisdom is not applicable in this case, because flux lines do not cut the loop and non-zero EMF cannot exist across a SC loop.

A different rate of change of flux changes the image current and the Lorentz force.
In resistive coils cut by flux lines - yes, but in superconductive coils not cut by flux lines - no.
Please prove that I am wrong.

You are greatly abusing the term "conservative".
I don't think so. A magnetic field of a SC loop is conservative analogically to Earth and its gravitation field or mechanical energy stored by a spring..

There is not a fixed quantity of energy stored in a superconductor. 
I never claimed that energy stored in a SC loop is fixed.  I still believe that it is variable and equal to ½LI2

Consider that if there were that superconductors would offer no promise for energy storage.
They do because energy stored in them is still proportional to the product of flux and current flowing in them.
Mechanical springs are also conservative yet they can store energy without problems.

Well I hope you eventually learn something from this.
One of us will ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 08, 2014, 01:00:31 AM
Has this wiring scheme been discussed here yet?

I tried using an additional transformer in the primary to decouple output in my SPICE model and that resulted in only a total of 5kw of output whereas using just a resistive load yielded 10kw output.   I use a transformer without a bypass capacitor though.

On the site they talk about the "black boxes" that WITS uses to decouple output power.

http://www.sustainablemedia.co/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Self-Looping-principle-2.jpg

http://www.sustainablemedia.co/qeg/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 08, 2014, 05:05:32 AM
Why is anyone working on anything associated with WITTS?  Years ago on this site, it was evident (to me specifically and also to many others) that they had nothing,  All they had was a way of raising money by getting folks to "donate" just to ask questions about their devices.  Stefan did so and interviewed them.  Well, you have never heard such gobbltygook as what Stefan got in that interview.  He tried his best but alas, the money he spent was wasted.

Just ask yourself why WITTS is still on the grid after all of these years in having free electricity and charging other folks to tell them how to make it?  Is the MIB making them stay on the grid?  Are they doing this to try to keep a low profile?  (Hard to do when advertising for more donations)  Or, are they doing it because none of their devices works as advertised?   Make up you own damn minds (Gary Hendershot) I already have years ago.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 08, 2014, 12:18:38 PM
Why is anyone working on anything associated with WITTS? 
What is WITTS ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: vasik041 on May 08, 2014, 12:22:46 PM
http://www.witts.ws/ (http://www.witts.ws/)

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This page is for those who have already donated.
If you haven’t already donated, you need to study the other pages at witts.ws first, then pray about it,
and do as God leads your heart. ONLY donate because God’s leading you to donate. DON’T donate because
you’re trying to buy something, because we do not sell anything.

I like this text ;-)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 08, 2014, 01:54:15 PM
What is WITTS ?
WITTS is the long running scam of Timothy Thrapp.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 08, 2014, 03:08:30 PM
The donation concept goes one way for Witts: you can donate to them and MAYBE get something back, but don't expect them to donate their time or knowledge.
The 'donate' approach is done for legal (IRS) reasons. Imho, the IRS could (and should) go after Witts for running an tax fraud: having a specific fixed 'donation' for a specific product/service is equivalent to a purchase/sale.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 08, 2014, 03:20:40 PM
The donation concept goes one way for Witts: you can donate to them and MAYBE get something back, but don't expect them to donate their time or knowledge.
The 'donate' approach is done for legal (IRS) reasons. Imho, the IRS could (and should) go after Witts for running an tax fraud: having a specific fixed 'donation' for a specific product/service is equivalent to a purchase/sale.
Then there is Mark Goldes and his sham 501(c)3 Aesop Institute which is nothing more than a marketing front for his sham technology companies.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on May 08, 2014, 08:08:42 PM
Yep never trust people with the name Mark.    ::)    While you may be right about Aesop what proof do you have or are you just expressing your opinion and we all know about opinions ....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on May 08, 2014, 08:12:17 PM
A couple tidbits I came across in my saved energy files that I think may have relevancy to the QEG and other motor generators:
"The question to be answered: is there any gravitational effect from rotation, or is gravitation a special interaction of mass with its environment? I would tend to believe gravitation is a special interaction of real mass with its environment. This is not to say that artificial gravitation fields cannot be created, but they would always be distinguishable from the real thing through some physical test. An artificial gravitational field would be non-isotropic and anisotropic."
And perhaps more important a quote from Bruce DePalma:

"...mechanical energy of motion, stored in the created inertial property, od, appears as an inertial field. This inertial field has the property of conferring inertia on surrounding material objects - and a reduction in the frequency of oscillating electrical circuits placed in the vicinity of the energized machine..."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 08, 2014, 11:36:36 PM
New from Morocco:  They seem to have achieve a tank resonance of 88Hz with a 7.75kVrms voltage and COP of 0.35. 

http://removingtheshackles.blogspot.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-update-doing-it-differently.html

That would mean a rotor speed of 5280 rpm.

This morning I found that by using a capacitor in parallel with the primary of a step-down transformer in series with the primary circuit, I was able to extract 10.7 kw into a resistive load attached to the secondary of the step down transformer, where earlier without such a cap I was only able to extract about 5.2 kw.  The parallel cap nulls the phase shift created by putting the primary of the step-down transformer in series with the primary of the QEG, thus making that step-down transformer appear as a purely resistive load to the primary of the QEG.

After this I tried attaching a full wave rectifier to the secondary of the step-down transformer.  The resonance in the primary of the QEG immediately refused to initiate, and I was unable to adjust the circuit values to restore resonance in the QEG primary with the rectifier attached to the secondary of the step-down transformer.

Since none of the replicators have yet to attempt the same with an actual build, and as far as I am aware even James has yet to attempt this, I am very keen to learn just what happens when someone does. 

As far as I can determine from the simulations the QEG only likes purely resistive load, regardless if they are connected directly in series with the primary or isolated with a transformer.  If this turns out to be true for the physical replications as well, it will be a very limiting characteristic of the QEG.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 09, 2014, 02:05:47 AM
New from Morocco:  They seem to have achieve a tank resonance of 88Hz with a 7.75kVrms voltage and COP of 0.35. 

http://removingtheshackles.blogspot.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-update-doing-it-differently.html

That would mean a rotor speed of 5280 rpm.

This morning I found that by using a capacitor in parallel with the primary of a step-down transformer in series with the primary circuit, I was able to extract 10.7 kw into a resistive load attached to the secondary of the step down transformer, where earlier without such a cap I was only able to extract about 5.2 kw.  The parallel cap nulls the phase shift created by putting the primary of the step-down transformer in series with the primary of the QEG, thus making that step-down transformer appear as a purely resistive load to the primary of the QEG.

After this I tried attaching a full wave rectifier to the secondary of the step-down transformer.  The resonance in the primary of the QEG immediately refused to initiate, and I was unable to adjust the circuit values to restore resonance in the QEG primary with the rectifier attached to the secondary of the step-down transformer.

Since none of the replicators have yet to attempt the same with an actual build, and as far as I am aware even James has yet to attempt this, I am very keen to learn just what happens when someone does. 

As far as I can determine from the simulations the QEG only likes purely resistive load, regardless if they are connected directly in series with the primary or isolated with a transformer.  If this turns out to be true for the physical replications as well, it will be a very limiting characteristic of the QEG.

A quote from Mr Tesla's patent, http://www.google.com/patents/US512340 .

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l have found that in every coil there exists a certain relation between its self-induction and capacity that permits a current of given frequency and potential to pass through it with no other opposition than that of ohmic resistance, or, in other words, as though it possessed no self-induction. This is due to the mutual relations existing between the special character of the current and the self-induction and capacity of the coil, the latter quantity being just capable of neutralizing the self-induction for that frequency. It is well known that the higher the frequency or potential difference of the current the smaller the capacity required to counteract the self induction; hence, in any coil, however small the capacity', it may be sufficient for the purpose stated if the proper conditions in other respects be secured.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 09, 2014, 02:16:30 AM
A quote from Mr Tesla's patent, http://www.google.com/patents/US512340 .

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The Tesla quote is a restatement of series resonance where 1/jwC identically equals jwL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 09, 2014, 02:34:20 AM


But the work done by the pull-in is proportional to the magnitude of current flowing in that SC loop because the current exerts force on the magnet via the magnetic field it generates.  So Work ∝ Current.
Are you claiming that the integral of force over distance is disproportionate to the current flowing in the SC loop?
Why?
Where do you get such funny ideas reading things that I have not stated?  Work performed is not proportional to the current.  It is proportional to the square of the current.
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You have not proven yet that a greater dΦ/dt leaves greater current in the SC loop than smaller dΦ/dt, thus you cannot use that to prove the other statement about disproportionality of work between two halves of the cycle.
Faraday and Maxwell would both beg to differ. 
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Only with a real magnet and it is not saturation but irreversible coercive demagnetization.
Actually the one thing that I overlooked is that the coil looking like a perfect inductor will identically integrate the rate of change in flux with respect to time, which should lead to a constant induction for a given magnet starting from a fixed distance.  Retracting the magnet in the opposite direction to its initial position relative to the ring reverses out whatever current was induced by bringing the magnet closer to the ring.
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That limit does not occur in our ideal system and in a real system it can be mitigated.
Logic and empiricism.
I do not consider an appeal to authority as proof.
If you don't believe Maxwell then it is up to you to show that you have found a violation.
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Logic and empiricism.
I don't claim that induction works differently that it does.
I am trying to convince you that induction does not work like you think and a SC loop act like a spring or I'm trying to find a flaw in my thinking with your help.
See above.
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Much of their wisdom is not applicable in this case, because flux lines do not cut the loop and non-zero EMF cannot exist across a SC loop.
In resistive coils cut by flux lines - yes, but in superconductive coils not cut by flux lines - no.
Please prove that I am wrong.
You seem highly resistant to the notion of BEMF from the inductance of the loop exactly matching the induced EMF.
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I don't think so. A magnetic field of a SC loop is conservative analogically to Earth and its gravitation field or mechanical energy stored by a spring..
I never claimed that energy stored in a SC loop is fixed.  I still believe that it is variable and equal to ½LI2
Then you should consider how E = 0.5*LI2 is derived.  The big hint should be that I is the time integral of V/L.  The "spring's" energy is defined by the magnet and the path it travels relative to the ring.  A different magnet, such as a power source driving a winding coupled to the ring can transfer a variable amount of energy into the ring's field.
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They do because energy stored in them is still proportional to the product of flux and current flowing in them.
Mechanical springs are also conservative yet they can store energy without problems.
One of us will ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 09, 2014, 02:35:34 AM
Yep never trust people with the name Mark.    ::)    While you may be right about Aesop what proof do you have or are you just expressing your opinion and we all know about opinions ....
I have seen written statements of former employees.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 09, 2014, 03:29:14 AM
A quote from Mr Tesla's patent, http://www.google.com/patents/US512340 (http://www.google.com/patents/US512340) .

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Yep, Nicola know all about this.  In the case of the QEG with its tune tank circuit, adding any reactance to that tuned primary either capacitive or inductive would throw off the tune of the circuit.  Thus the inductive reactance of the added transformer must be offset with added capacitive reactance in order to maintain the balance of the circuit at it intended operating point.

I just realized a little while ago that the double winding pattern found in that patent rather then maximizing the capacitance of the winding, which I expect to remain relative the same regardless of single wound or double wound, maximizes the energy that is capacitively stored in the winding by maximizing the voltage difference between each adjacent turn.  Tesla might even had said that in the patent, it's been a while since I've read it, although it just clicked about the energy storage difference. 

Now, what effect would that have on things?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 09, 2014, 10:33:25 AM
Where do you get such funny ideas reading things that I have not stated? 
Because you stated:
It doesn't happen because the work required for each new withdrawal similarly increases.
And the word "similarly" was later clarified to refer to current, so your revised quote now reads:
"It doesn't happen because the work required for each new withdrawal increases similarly to current."
So if the work increases than so does the current.

According to you the work required to move the magnet depends on its speed and so does the current.
Or: If the work required to quickly withdraw the magnet is different than the work required to slowly push in the magnet, then currents must be different, too... and the absurd machine woulld accumulate current without a theoretical limit at the expense of the work performed by the agency turning the Whitworth mechanism.  - yet "it does not happen".

Let's remember what we are discussing here:
You claim that the current left in the superconducting loop after the movement of the magnet
depends on dΦ/dt and I claim that it depends on ΔΦ. 
That's what the whole discussion boils down to.

As a side note, it worth to remember, that the ratio of to flux to current (a.k.a. inductance) stays constant in that SC loop.

Work performed is not proportional to the current.  It is proportional to the square of the current.
Yes. It is merely more precise to state that work is proportional to the square of the current.
When the current does not change its direction (as in the absurd machine scenario) work increases with the square of the current and also the work increases with the current itself.  The derivatives of x an x2 have the same sign for x>0.
I was trying to keep it simple but that lack of precision does not invalidate my line of thinking.

Actually the one thing that I overlooked is that the coil looking like a perfect inductor will identically integrate the rate of change in flux with respect to time,
...and the integral of dΦ/dt with respect to time evaluates to Φ.

Retracting the magnet in the opposite direction to its initial position relative to the ring reverses out whatever current was induced by bringing the magnet closer to the ring.
Yes, and for clarity for other readers, the word "reverses" in that statement should not mean reversing the direction (sign) of current.

If you don't believe Maxwell then it is up to you to show that you have found a violation.
You seem highly resistant to the notion of BEMF from the inductance of the loop exactly matching the induced EMF.
I believe Maxwell. I just don't want to misapply his equations.
I am not resistant to the notion of EMF - BEMF = 0 across a superconducting loop. 
I just do not go the "EMF route" and analyze voltage across zero-resistance because it leads to division by zero.

Then you should consider how E = 0.5*LI2 is derived.  The big hint should be that I is the time integral of V/L.
Derivation by Kirchhoff's voltage law is just one of the derivations. Using it means using voltage.
For the energy stored by a coil I prefer to use the derivation that does not involve voltage and uses L=Φ/I to prove that W=½ΦI.

The "spring's" energy is defined by the magnet and the path it travels relative to the ring. 
Yes, "path" - not the speed along this path.

... a power source driving a winding coupled to the ring can transfer a variable amount of energy into the ring's field.
...but the energy transferred to the SC loop by such winding does not depend on the risetime or falltime of the current in that winding (as in e.g. sawtooth waveform).

For example the energy and current in the secondary superconducting winding (W2) of an aircore transformer shown below does not increase from cycle to cycle and its maximum value is always be proportional to IMAX even if the current in the primary (W1) exhibits different di/dt generating different dΦ/dt. 
Over the integer number of cycles the work done by the current source is zero ...+ resistive losses.

Furthermore the line integral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_integral) of the flux penetrating the contour of the SC secondary winding (W2) will be constant, regardless of the dΦ/dt generated by the primary winding (W1).
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: lancaIV on May 09, 2014, 11:07:46 AM
Teslas coil for e-magnets  http://www.google.com/patents/US512340 (http://www.google.com/patents/US512340)  has his users/applicators/modernizers :
cited as reference:  http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments;jsessionid=248A077BDB818423145DA935A48B840D.espacenet_levelx_prod_1?CC=US&NR=512340A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=&date=18940109&DB=&&locale=en_EP (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/citingDocuments;jsessionid=248A077BDB818423145DA935A48B840D.espacenet_levelx_prod_1?CC=US&NR=512340A&KC=A&FT=D&ND=&date=18940109&DB=&&locale=en_EP)


Probably new findings ? Internal statements ?


Sincerely
              OCWL
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 09, 2014, 12:27:57 PM
Because you stated:And the word "similarly" was later clarified to refer to current, so your revised quote now reads:
"It doesn't happen because the work required for each new withdrawal increases similarly to current."
So if the work increases than so does the current.
Not to the current, to the current squared, which is aside from the point that you asked:
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Are you claiming that the integral of force over distance is disproportionate to the current flowing in the SC loop?
Why?
  So you seem bent on asking questions about statements that I never made, and when pressed on that point to invent new junk.
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According to you the work required to move the magnet depends on its speed and so does the current.
The rate at which the current increases is proportional to the induced EMF.  Move the magnet faster and that rate increases.  Where I have corrected myself is to note that the current integrates and therefore for a given magnet and starting position, the end flux will be the same regardless of the time taken.
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Or: If the work required to quickly withdraw the magnet is different than the work required to slowly push in the magnet, then currents must be different, too... and the absurd machine woulld accumulate current without a theoretical limit at the expense of the work performed by the agency turning the Whitworth mechanism.  - yet "it does not happen".
With a given magnet oscillating between two fixed positions that the current cannot build up.
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Let's remember what we are discussing here:
You claim that the current left in the superconducting loop after the movement of the magnet
depends on dΦ/dt and I claim that it depends on ΔΦ. 
No, I assert that it depends on the integral of dphi/dt.  See the immediate discussion above.
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That's what the whole discussion boils down to.

As a side note, it worth to remember, that the ratio of to flux to current (a.k.a. inductance) stays constant in that SC loop.
It's nice that you are now taking inductance into account instead of only resistance where you started.
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Yes. It is merely more precise to state that work is proportional to the square of the current.
Wrong is wrong.  It is not less precise to refer to something that has a square dependency as linearly dependent, it is just wrong. 
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When the current does not change its direction (as in the absurd machine scenario) work increases with the square of the current and also the work increases with the current itself.  The derivatives of x an x2 have the same sign for x>0.
I was trying to keep it simple but that lack of precision does not invalidate my line of thinking.
Where I agree with you is that for a fixed magnet coming from some defined starting position the energy that can be transferred is fixed independent of speed.  The speed sets the power of the transfer.
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...and the integral of dΦ/dt with respect to time evaluates to Φ.
Yes, and for clarity for other readers, the word "reverses" in that statement should not mean reversing the direction (sign) of current.
I believe Maxwell. I just don't want to misapply his equations.
No one should.
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I am not resistant to the notion of EMF - BEMF = 0 across a superconducting loop. 
It solves the problem that you started with.  You expressed the idea that since the resistance is zero that there could not be an EMF.  In fact there is, and the BEMF results from the inductance.  The lack of resistance makes the device completely reactive.
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I just do not go the "EMF route" and analyze voltage across zero-resistance because it leads to division by zero.
No it does not.  See above.
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Derivation by Kirchhoff's voltage law is just one of the derivations. Using it means using voltage.
As Professor Lewan would say:  Faraday is always right.  Kirchhoff ( if one fails to account for induction ) is not always right.  He has a relatively famous classroom demonstration of this point where he induces a voltage across a wire using a big core in the middle of the table.  Your situation differs only in that instead of Lewan's negligible resistance, your problem really has zero resistance.  Yet voltage is induced in both cases.
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For the energy stored by a coil I prefer to use the derivation that does not involve voltage and uses L=Φ/I to prove that W=½ΦI.
Either way you have to account for the fact that it takes an increasing amount of effort to induce each successive increment of current.  IE the current that exists at any moment directly affects the effort required to either increase or decrease that current.
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Yes, "path" - not the speed along this path.
...but the energy transferred to the SC loop by such winding does not depend on the risetime or falltime of the current in that winding (as in e.g. sawtooth waveform).
As above the power does.  How long one sustains the input power depends on the source one has available.
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For example the energy and current in the secondary superconducting winding (W2) of an aircore transformer shown below does not increase from cycle to cycle and its maximum value is always be proportional to IMAX even if the current in the primary (W1) exhibits different di/dt generating different dΦ/dt. 
Yes a fixed energy source = fixed energy transfer.
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Over the integer number of cycles the work done by the current source is zero ...+ resistive losses.
That's what inductors do.
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Furthermore the line integral (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_integral) of the flux penetrating the contour of the SC secondary winding (W2) will be constant, regardless of the dΦ/dt generated by the primary winding (W1).
See above.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on May 09, 2014, 01:55:28 PM



  Professor Lewin.
                  John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 09, 2014, 06:51:57 PM
A quote from Mr Tesla's patent, http://www.google.com/patents/US512340 (http://www.google.com/patents/US512340) .

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Farmhand,  of course there is a point that has no opposition.  It surely could be when the movement of both the negative going energies and the positive going energies are balanced.  Then there would NOT be forces causing "Ringing or Back EMF" seeking to balance (due to it already being in balance).  Thank you for that insert from Tesla.  You found a one KEY..




Richard Williams  (NOT HopeGirl) and WE are all another part of Hope.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 09, 2014, 07:09:44 PM
In correlation to this non opposition key would be a PMH.  Where as when making the PMH (closing the keeper or creating the magnetics) the circuit is complete and the charge placed in the PMH is pure (balanced).  This is why it keeps the charge undiminished.   So the closer to perfect balance we tune a circuit the less waste from opposition there is. 


And MarkE this is the proof you asked for, when we learn to balance all forces flows and ebbs (in a open circuit) then we can null opposition.
Maybe that is a new definition for COP at 100%,  now learning to bump that bloch of perfect balance is where COP>1.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 09, 2014, 11:01:20 PM

Farmhand,  of course there is a point that has no opposition.  It surely could be when the movement of both the negative going energies and the positive going energies are balanced.  Then there would NOT be forces causing "Ringing or Back EMF" seeking to balance (due to it already being in balance).  Thank you for that insert from Tesla.  You found a one KEY..




Richard Williams  (NOT HopeGirl) and WE are all another part of Hope.

Oh but there is resistance in the DC resistance of the wires, determining the actual utilized output energy compared to the actual input energy is all that matters. The oscillating power is just a side show, which needs to be known only for the purposes of circuit design ect.

Inductive reactance does not consume energy, it restricts it. It can restrict input and/or output depending on the device and the load.

Nor does counter emf consume energy. ie. if we apply a capacitor charged to 20 volts to a 12 volt battery then we are only really applying 8 volts potential difference to the battery due to the counter emf of 12 volts that the battery possesses, however the capacitor ends up charged to 12 volts not 0 volts so the potential equal to the counter emf is not consumed, it's just a kind of offset to get to the point where a potential difference will happen if more voltage is given to the cap.

Similarly when a transformer sees a high counter emf at idle the input is small, then when loaded the transformer sees less counter emf which allows more current to flow and the transfer of energy happens. If counter emf consumed energy the transformer would use more at idle when the counter emf is high. But it doesn't the counter emf restricts the current and power and saves energy.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 10, 2014, 12:47:02 AM
So what happens when you have an ideal battery at 12 volts, and you connect an ideal capacitor charged to 20 volts to the battery?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 10, 2014, 02:19:49 AM
In correlation to this non opposition key would be a PMH.  Where as when making the PMH (closing the keeper or creating the magnetics) the circuit is complete and the charge placed in the PMH is pure (balanced).  This is why it keeps the charge undiminished.   So the closer to perfect balance we tune a circuit the less waste from opposition there is. 


And MarkE this is the proof you asked for, when we learn to balance all forces flows and ebbs (in a open circuit) then we can null opposition.
Maybe that is a new definition for COP at 100%,  now learning to bump that bloch of perfect balance is where COP>1.
You can make all the unilateral declarations that you want.  You have not made and cannot make a self running machine much less one that self runs and delivers surplus energy.  You have repeatedly demonstrated your inability to deliver on your blatantly false claims.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 10, 2014, 04:34:19 AM
So what happens when you have an ideal battery at 12 volts, and you connect an ideal capacitor charged to 20 volts to the battery?

Not a whole lot. ;D

My observations tell me that with real components the voltages equalize and some energy is transferred from the capacitor to the battery and it gains some charge, some energy is lost and some energy remains as charge in the capacitor. Not sure if I can be any more vague than that.  ;D


Give me a minute I'll see if I can work out a better answer.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 10, 2014, 12:02:53 PM
@MarkE

So what is your answer to the venerable question, now?

Q: "A magnet is pulled out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvShY8YAis4) of a shorted superconducting aircoil.  Does the magnitude of the final current induced in that coil depend on how quickly the magnet is pulled out ?".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on May 10, 2014, 01:22:56 PM
I called this a scam some weeks ago and no amount of discussion or debate will make this work. I look back at some of the commentators here on past projects trying to defend the impossible. Look at the past..100% failure rate. No harm in trying but in this case someone is cashing in on misrepresenting the truth. My heart goes out to the good people in Taiwan and Morocco that had their hopes built up but people profiteering on false information and promise. Hopegirl is an opportunist lowlife.
How many times have we seen this before and over how many years?
This whole episode is sad and preys on vulnerable people with good intentions.
James need to step up and take some responsibility rather than pandering his ego (and no doubt bank account) as the leader of a new cult. I think the word arsehole would not be out of order. "Show me the data James"
Mark Dansie

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 10, 2014, 04:53:18 PM
I called this a scam some weeks ago and no amount of discussion or debate will make this work. I look back at some of the commentators here on past projects trying to defend the impossible. Look at the past..100% failure rate. No harm in trying but in this case someone is cashing in on misrepresenting the truth. My heart goes out to the good people in Taiwan and Morocco that had their hopes built up but people profiteering on false information and promise. Hopegirl is an opportunist lowlife.
How many times have we seen this before and over how many years?
This whole episode is sad and preys on vulnerable people with good intentions.
James need to step up and take some responsibility rather than pandering his ego (and no doubt bank account) as the leader of a new cult. I think the word arsehole would not be out of order. "Show me the data James"
Mark Dansie

So, I suppose she should have called herself FalseHopeGirl then? (Grin)

I will never figure out why folks do such things...greed and ego I guess.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 10, 2014, 05:08:59 PM
@MarkE

So what is your answer to the venerable question, now?

Q: "A magnet is pulled out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvShY8YAis4) of a shorted superconducting aircoil.  Does the magnitude of the final current induced in that coil depend on how quickly the magnet is pulled out ?".
Asked and answered multiple times now.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 10, 2014, 06:03:31 PM
You can make all the unilateral declarations that you want.  You have not made and cannot make a self running machine much less one that self runs and delivers surplus energy.  You have repeatedly demonstrated your inability to deliver on your blatantly false claims.


Yes MarkE still trying as we all are,  hope to see your working device soon as well.  Have a good one!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 10, 2014, 07:13:17 PM
Oh but there is resistance in the DC resistance of the wires, determining the actual utilized output energy compared to the actual input energy is all that matters. The oscillating power is just a side show, which needs to be known only for the purposes of circuit design ect.

Inductive reactance does not consume energy, it restricts it. It can restrict input and/or output depending on the device and the load.

Nor does counter emf consume energy. ie. if we apply a capacitor charged to 20 volts to a 12 volt battery then we are only really applying 8 volts potential difference to the battery due to the counter emf of 12 volts that the battery possesses, however the capacitor ends up charged to 12 volts not 0 volts so the potential equal to the counter emf is not consumed, it's just a kind of offset to get to the point where a potential difference will happen if more voltage is given to the cap.

Similarly when a transformer sees a high counter emf at idle the input is small, then when loaded the transformer sees less counter emf which allows more current to flow and the transfer of energy happens. If counter emf consumed energy the transformer would use more at idle when the counter emf is high. But it doesn't the counter emf restricts the current and power and saves energy.

..


So you agree?  DC of course is not a pure energy it is a stored or created potential.  All DC storage units discharge. 


DC transmissions talk about limits due to wire gauge and resistance in the wire, yet how does that change when the same wire is used for AC transmission?   The problem is in the flawed DC theory,  not the wire.   Imbalance creates a need for nature to balance it and she DOES find a way (really many ways).


How does Neuman get so much work done with so little amperage?  So if you are set to think work=amperage then you must justify all your beliefs based on this theory.   Lets admit it,  this box called IEEE training is flawed.  Yet all the believers must rail non-believers and this causes friction here and other (outside that box) forums. 


Even if you think watts=work load your going to have box limitations.  The closer truth is when you get a devices unseen forms or "spirits" moving then the physical follows.   But this is way outside the box limits for most to even accept as possible. 


I know I just stepped into a pooh pile,  but until we are willing to get our minds open we will keep smacking our heads on the brick walls of "closed thinking systems".


The inertia of mass in motion, speed of mass and the unstoppable force ideas are countered by the equal and opposite movements.  So all this "physical" matter can't be the only variables we need to work with,  so now we get to the label zero point energies.   Nice little package to box up and make unclear what was simply the exact opposite of physical matter.


But naming it "the spirit of matter" causes bent attitudes.   Just keep on keeping on then and like the phrase "do what you always have done and you will get what you always have got" will keep a sturdy little box.  Lets remember we want different results than what we have always gotten,  lets remember to be inventive without limiting the creative process.  You can bet those who have had success have.   I may not be keeper of all knowledge but I am not the limiter of it either.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 10, 2014, 08:06:46 PM

How does Neuman get so much work done with so little amperage? 


I think you are misunderstanding what Joseph Neuman actually did.  With the little input power he put into his machine, he failed to extract and do any real work with the energy oscillating in the machine.   He never power anything with it.  He just show people meters displaying the oscillating voltage and current in the system, and that as I explained previously though my examples of tank circuit spice simulations, can be very misleading if interpreted carelessly.

Now with the QEG, I have found ways in simulation to extract significant power from the primary circuit and do useful work with it.  That the QEG is capable of that is clear to me.  The question that still remains is how much power needs to be applied to the rotor of the QEG to get that amount of power out of it.  So far the best efficiency any replicator has reported is 0.35, and even that was reported without any details about just how that figure was determined.

Could you ask the replicators to be more forthcoming with their data and methods?

***

Speaking of the IEEE do we have any members in the house.  I need a copy of a paper pulled.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 10, 2014, 10:01:52 PM
Hope,

Quote
DC transmissions talk about limits due to wire gauge and resistance in the wire, yet how does that change when the same wire is used for AC transmission?   The problem is in the flawed DC theory,  not the wire.   Imbalance creates a need for nature to balance it and she DOES find a way (really many ways).

It's clear from your prose that you don't even know where the box is or what it looks like.  You can't say that something is flawed if you are ignorant about the subject matter.

It's the Indy 500 and the main driver for the racing team is sick and can't enter the race.  Joe Blow walks in off the street and says, "I drive an ice cream delivery truck, I'll drive!"

It doesn't work like that.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 10, 2014, 10:40:13 PM
Hope,

It's clear from your prose that you don't even know where the box is or what it looks like.  You can't say that something is flawed if you are ignorant about the subject matter.

It's the Indy 500 and the main driver for the racing team is sick and can't enter the race.  Joe Blow walks in off the street and says, "I drive an ice cream delivery truck, I'll drive!"

It doesn't work like that.

What about Danny Sullivan?  He was a NY cab driver and won Indy.

But seriously, I totally agree with the point you made.  A solid foundation of knowledge of what has been done before is needed before one can speak about being "out of the box."  I am glad that guys like you, TK, .99 and Mark E. provide that for those of us still learning about what the box is.  Only then can we think out of it.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on May 10, 2014, 11:45:54 PM
Maybe it was meant good from Robitaille and Hopegirl to really bring something forward....
Maybe Robitaille  only did miscalculate his output power and in rushing this out they made
the mistakes by claiming something they never had also thinking they would have achieved the
same as the fake WITTS device, which does not work, cause it is powered by hidden 120 Volts AC wires...

The only way they still could maybe get OU is,
if they would try to use the
Aviso Konehead Coil Shorting Technolgy to chop the output current into spikes and then use the BackEMF to collect the
output energy via bridge rectifiers...

Only then you can violate the Lenz law and thus might get OU...
with the normal output coils as they have it now, you can not violate Lenz, as the output current
drags the rotor down...

I would highly advise the people experimenting with the QEG to try this.

Regards, Stefan.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 11, 2014, 12:57:11 AM

Only then you can violate the Lenz law and thus might get OU...
with the normal output coils as they have it now, you can not violate Lenz, as the output current
drags the rotor down...

I would highly advise the people experimenting with the QEG to try this.

Regards, Stefan.

I tend to doubt Lenz drag will be the most significant factor in the loading of the system driving the QEG.  From my analysis so far, it appears that the fundamental mechanism for loading the system driving the QEG will be cogging torque.  That is the amount of power required to pull the rotor away from a pole.  The more the current in the primary circuit of the QEG builds, the more strongly the poles attract the rotor, and the more power it requires to move the rotor away from the poles. 

There will be some drag created by eddy currents in the laminations of the rotor, although as I have mentioned before those laminations are designed to minimize the formation of eddy currents.  Because the rotor is devoid of windings by design, and because armature windings are the primary source of Lenz drag in electric machines, I expect the cogging torque in the QEG to be many times greater then the Lenz drag created by any eddy currents that form in the rotor. 

In any case core losses in M19 24 gauge laminations is listed at 2 watt/lbs when the material is driven to 10,000 Gauss at 60Hz.  This figure includes both hysteresis and eddy current losses.  In a previous post I believe I mentioned that I estimated the core loss figure for the M19 material operating at 400Hz to be in the range of 12 to 15 W/lbs.  That would put the core loss figure for the entire 72.6 lbs QEG core in the range of 871 to 1089 watts.   

I now have all the information needed to construct the multi-dimensional interpolation tables required for my QEG SPICE Model 2.0.  This new model will be able to calculate input power as well as output power for the QEG.

Stayed tuned, same OU forum, same OU thread...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 11, 2014, 01:12:51 AM

Yes MarkE still trying as we all are,  hope to see your working device soon as well.  Have a good one!
Unlike you I have not made false claims to a perpetual motion machine.  Unlike you I have not raised money to pay for globetrotting trips by building up hopes to help the poor.  What I design works.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 11, 2014, 01:29:22 AM

So you agree?  DC of course is not a pure energy it is a stored or created potential.  All DC storage units discharge. 
Hopeless Girl you are so FoS.
Quote


DC transmissions talk about limits due to wire gauge and resistance in the wire, yet how does that change when the same wire is used for AC transmission?   The problem is in the flawed DC theory,  not the wire.   Imbalance creates a need for nature to balance it and she DOES find a way (really many ways).
There is no flaw that you can point to in conventional analysis of either DC or AC circuits.  I bet you don't know that the AC resistance of a wire is greater than the DC resistance.  In terms of resistance a 30AWG wire is as good / as bad as a 12AWG wire at 1MHz.  At DC a 12AWG wire has about 1/64th the resistance of the same length of 30AWG wire.
Quote


How does Neuman get so much work done with so little amperage?  So if you are set to think work=amperage then you must justify all your beliefs based on this theory.
Current is neither energy nor power.  Current is the amount of charge passing through a cross-section per unit time.
Quote

   Lets admit it,  this box called IEEE training is flawed.
Let's admit the obvious:  You are a fraud and your fraud is now well exposed.  What is your exit strategy?
Quote
 

Yet all the believers must rail non-believers and this causes friction here and other (outside that box) forums. 
Any friction is a result of your continuous lying.
Quote


Even if you think watts=work load your going to have box limitations.
Watts are a measure of power, not energy.
Quote

  The closer truth is when you get a devices unseen forms or "spirits" moving then the physical follows.
Pixies do not run the universe.
Quote
 

 But this is way outside the box limits for most to even accept as possible. 
Such ideas are rejected because they are unabated BS.
Quote


I know I just stepped into a pooh pile,  but until we are willing to get our minds open we will keep smacking our heads on the brick walls of "closed thinking systems".
You have no evidence to support your claims.  Open mindedness is about fairly evaluating evidence.  The only evidence that you present is of just how FoS you are.
Quote


The inertia of mass in motion,
Inertia is independent of speed.  A mass exhibits the same inertia whether completely at rest or moving 100,000 mph within its frame of reference.
Quote


speed of mass and the unstoppable force ideas are countered by the equal and opposite movements.
Wrong.  Newton's Laws correctly teach us that reaction force is a function of acceleration, not speed.
Quote
 

So all this "physical" matter can't be the only variables we need to work with,  so now we get to the label zero point energies.   Nice little package to box up and make unclear what was simply the exact opposite of physical matter. 
Does this BS come to you naturally, or do you work at cooking it up?
Quote


But naming it "the spirit of matter" causes bent attitudes.
The BS "it" does not exist.  If you think differently, show evidence.  So, far the only evidence you have shown is that your claims are false and that you have zero understanding of ordinary physics.
Quote
   

Just keep on keeping on then and like the phrase "do what you always have done and you will get what you always have got" will keep a sturdy little box.  Lets remember we want different results than what we have always gotten,  lets remember to be inventive without limiting the creative process.
You can wish for nature to be different than it is all you want.  Nature will be unmoved.
Quote
 

You can bet those who have had success have.   I may not be keeper of all knowledge but I am not the limiter of it either.
Quite the contrary:  You spew worthless nonsense to extract money from gullible people.  You are a loathsome individual.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 11, 2014, 01:31:10 AM
I think you are misunderstanding what Joseph Neuman actually did.  With the little input power he put into his machine, he failed to extract and do any real work with the energy oscillating in the machine.   He never power anything with it.  He just show people meters displaying the oscillating voltage and current in the system, and that as I explained previously though my examples of tank circuit spice simulations, can be very misleading if interpreted carelessly.

Now with the QEG, I have found ways in simulation to extract significant power from the primary circuit and do useful work with it.  That the QEG is capable of that is clear to me.  The question that still remains is how much power needs to be applied to the rotor of the QEG to get that amount of power out of it.  So far the best efficiency any replicator has reported is 0.35, and even that was reported without any details about just how that figure was determined.

Could you ask the replicators to be more forthcoming with their data and methods?

***

Speaking of the IEEE do we have any members in the house.  I need a copy of a paper pulled.
Non members can buy papers.  Even members have to pay for most papers one way or another.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 11, 2014, 01:33:53 AM
Maybe it was meant good from Robitaille and Hopegirl to really bring something forward....
Maybe Robitaille  only did miscalculate his output power and in rushing this out they made
the mistakes by claiming something they never had also thinking they would have achieved the
same as the fake WITTS device, which does not work, cause it is powered by hidden 120 Volts AC wires...

The only way they still could maybe get OU is,
if they would try to use the
Aviso Konehead Coil Shorting Technolgy to chop the output current into spikes and then use the BackEMF to collect the
output energy via bridge rectifiers...

Only then you can violate the Lenz law and thus might get OU...
with the normal output coils as they have it now, you can not violate Lenz, as the output current
drags the rotor down...

I would highly advise the people experimenting with the QEG to try this.

Regards, Stefan.
Stefan:  Ismael Aviso is another liar just like Hopeless Girl.  He has apparently turned his attention to selling bottled water.  His various claimed energy inventions were all BS, as was his claims to having developed his own semiconductors.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 11, 2014, 01:50:29 AM
Non members can buy papers.  Even members have to pay for most papers one way or another.

I thought if you paid the $100/yr membership fee or whatever it it now, you were able to get copies of archived papers at zero additional cost.

Anyway, I found my way to get by without it.  It still would be good to read it though.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on May 11, 2014, 02:51:25 AM
Maybe it was meant good from Robitaille and Hopegirl to really bring something forward....
Regards, Stefan.
In the case of Hopegirl it is a scam 110% taking advantage of vulnerable people. James may just be delusional, and you are correct he is no competent in measuring things. Just call it what it is a Scam. There is no defense.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 11, 2014, 03:15:35 AM
I thought if you paid the $100/yr membership fee or whatever it it now, you were able to get copies of archived papers at zero additional cost.

Anyway, I found my way to get by without it.  It still would be good to read it though.
No, that is not true.  There are some papers that the $200/year membership will get you.  Most are just offered at a discount unless you buy a very expensive subscription to the digital library for north of $600. / year.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 11, 2014, 03:29:25 AM
Quote from: MarkE
No, that is not true.  There are some papers that the $200/year membership will get you.  Most are just offered at a discount unless you buy a very expensive subscription to the digital library for north of $600. / year.

Hmmm.  Seems like quite a lot of cash for just
papers.  Is this some sort of "money making scheme"
then?

Ah, the things the elitists do in the name of their
gods...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on May 11, 2014, 04:23:29 AM
Stefan:  Ismael Aviso is another liar just like Hopeless Girl.  He has apparently turned his attention to selling bottled water.  His various claimed energy inventions were all BS, as was his claims to having developed his own semiconductors.

I don´t think so.
His devices were even tested from the Philipine TUV or something like this...

The bottled special water is probably just a thing to make some extra money
to fund his research.

The coil switching works and produces less Lenz law drag back!
I tried it myself years back with my Newman tests..
You discharge the coils in an instant and get all the stored magnetic energy out via
the BackEMF.
So you also reduce the drag on a rotor.

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on May 11, 2014, 04:59:42 AM
I don´t think so.
His devices were even tested from the Philipine TUV or something like this...

The bottled special water is probably just a thing to make some extra money
to fund his research.

The coil switching works and produces less Lenz law drag back!
I tried it myself years back with my Newman tests..
You discharge the coils in an instant and get all the stored magnetic energy out via
the BackEMF.
So you also reduce the drag on a rotor.

Regards, Stefan.


He is a scam and the agency was not like TUV and said some further testing was required, but all in all nothing was there. He lives 30 minutes from me and last time I had any correspondence he was demanding $10,000 USD for me to look or test anything He has a history of ripping of other ideas and pretending they are his own, and in many cases does not understand the basic science.
I can not be bothered with him as there are many great developers and inventors here working on renewable projects.
Feel free to contact him and arrange for me to evaluate any of his technologies
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 11, 2014, 05:03:41 AM
Hmmm.  Seems like quite a lot of cash for just
papers.  Is this some sort of "money making scheme"
then?

Ah, the things the elitists do in the name of their
gods...
The IEEE makes a lot of money from the technical papers that they publish.  They do tend to vett prior to publication.  Those who buy a lot of papers mitigate the cost with subscriptions.  The little guy has to pay for papers one at a time.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 11, 2014, 05:09:09 AM
I don´t think so.
His devices were even tested from the Philipine TUV or something like this...
His car was tested at a government lab: VRTL @ UPME on 24 Feb 2011.  The mechanical power the car put out was down in the noise of the vehicle dynamometer used: 418W against a 200kW+ dynamometer.  The report noted that the reported power from the dynamometer was greater than the crudely measured input power.  Additional tests to reconcile the discrepancy were recommended.  Ismael Aviso refused additional testing.
Quote

The bottled special water is probably just a thing to make some extra money
to fund his research.
The bottled water is just filtered water.  There is actually a big need for filtered water in the Philippines.  Aviso being the "honest" operator that he is promotes it among other things as a cancer treatment.
Quote

The coil switching works and produces less Lenz law drag back!
I tried it myself years back with my Newman tests..
You discharge the coils in an instant and get all the stored magnetic energy out via
the BackEMF.
So you also reduce the drag on a rotor.
There is nothing notable or special electrodynamically with any of Aviso's coils.  I am happy to discuss your experiments at length if you like and explain what you saw.
Quote

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 11, 2014, 05:24:43 AM
Enjoy!!!!





https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rkwjvotjkC4 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rkwjvotjkC4)


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on May 11, 2014, 06:33:00 AM
Enjoy!!!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rkwjvotjkC4 (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rkwjvotjkC4)
Cheers, Ariovaldo
Nice work Ariovaldo!

You show the motor is consuming 760W. And the current probe shows 1.88Amps (?). What is the voltage on the secondaries? I can't determine it from the video as the motor sound is too loud over your voice.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gotoluc on May 11, 2014, 06:59:21 AM
Nice work Ariovaldo!

You show the motor is consuming 760W. And the current probe shows 1.88Amps (?). What is the voltage on the secondaries? I can't determine it from the video as the motor sound is too loud over your voice.

PmgR

I'll save Ari the need to reply as the information is in the video.
Here is the calculations I posted in another forum

Thanks for sharing your results Ari.
 
 So 760 watts in and 1.88 Amps at 120v = 225 watts out
 
 Is this correct?
 
 Luc

Ari reply:

 Yes Luc....
 Not so good.
 One more test that I intend to do: try to get the resonance at 400 Hz
 
 Cheers
 
 Ari   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 11, 2014, 08:16:11 AM
Ari

By my estimation 1.9 Arms in the secondary is pushing the limit for 20AWG in a transformer, where a safe current limit is 3 A/mm^2.  20AWG is about 0.5mm^2, which would work out to 1.5 Arms.  So if you ran the thing for a while at the level, you might over heat the primary winding. 

My guess is that you could add some more light bulbs.  The QEG has the interesting behavior of putting out more power as the output resistance is increased, right up until the point the resonance get damped out. 

Did you say the frequency of the primary was 192Hz?

You might want to see what kind of voltage is developing across a single lamp.

What are those 100W lamps?

Cheers,

Fred
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 11, 2014, 10:17:01 AM
Ari,

Can you make a posting where you state your measurements and observations?  Also a simple schematic of your setup and your measurement points?

It's important to present your measurements yourself, along with your YouTube clip.  Even if the measurements are disappointing it's very important to state them.  Everyone that does a replication should do the same thing.  That also applies to the 'official' teams in Taiwan and Morocco and everyone else.  I have to assume that some of those teams are also following this thread.  Proper measurements and proper documentation are critical issues in understanding what is going on.

For example, what is the output frequency?  Are you using a clamp-on meter to measure the current through the light bulbs?  Is the clamp-on meter able to properly measure current at the measured output frequency?  If you are not sure then what is the manufacturer and part number for the clamp-on meter?  Is the clamp-on meter only able to measure the RMS value for a sine wave or is the clamp-on meter a true-RMS clamp-on meter?  What is the voltage waveform like across the light bulbs themselves?  That's an example of how important it is for any experimenter to properly document what they are doing and how and where they are making their measurements.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 11, 2014, 10:35:39 AM
About the spark gap, Woopy gets the credit for doing that one the best.  He bought sealed spark gap components, real electrical components, and they are rated by voltage.  He was using them in his clips months ago.  I suppose you can get them on DigiKey.  I also assume that they are rated for average and peak handling power and you may have to pay attention to that if you want to purchase some for the QEG.

From what I gather, a spark gap is principally used as a high-voltage switch.  Unfortunately, the spark gap has taken on a life of its own on the forums, and people seem to think that a spark gap itself can do something special.

In looking at the schematic for the QEG, you can see how the spark gap will just short out the secondary Neutral with L1.  So I view that as an output power killer.  It will suck energy out of the QEG and burn it off in the plasma of the gap every time it fires.  From what I can see on paper it appears that it will do nothing to improve the performance of the QEG.

If you believe that it will improve the performance of the QEG then you should try to show full measurements with and without the spark gap.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 11, 2014, 12:04:59 PM
Ari

By my estimation 1.9 Arms in the secondary is pushing the limit for 20AWG in a transformer, where a safe current limit is 3 A/mm^2.  20AWG is about 0.5mm^2, which would work out to 1.5 Arms.  So if you ran the thing for a while at the level, you might over heat the primary winding. 

My guess is that you could add some more light bulbs.  The QEG has the interesting behavior of putting out more power as the output resistance is increased, right up until the point the resonance get damped out. 

Did you say the frequency of the primary was 192Hz?

You might want to see what kind of voltage is developing across a single lamp.

What are those 100W lamps?

Cheers,

Fred
20 AWG has a minimum diameter of 34mils.  500cma is acceptable for many designs and would allow a bit more than 2A.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 11, 2014, 02:28:50 PM
20 AWG has a minimum diameter of 34mils.  500cma is acceptable for many designs and would allow a bit more than 2A.

From my days of studying output and power transformer design for musical instrument amplifiers, the rule of thumb was 3 A/mm^2, although that was a conservative figure.  So, 2 A/mm^2 for the 20AWG would probably work fine without over heating in the QEG, unless the machine was operated for a long time while sitting out in the sun on a hot day.  Such a occasion might occur if the QEG ever found its way into common use as a generator, as it does on a regular basis for musical instrument amps sitting out on stage.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 11, 2014, 02:37:17 PM
Nice work Ariovaldo!

You show the motor is consuming 760W. And the current probe shows 1.88Amps (?). What is the voltage on the secondaries? I can't determine it from the video as the motor sound is too loud over your voice.

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120/125 volts.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 11, 2014, 02:58:39 PM
Ari

By my estimation 1.9 Arms in the secondary is pushing the limit for 20AWG in a transformer, where a safe current limit is 3 A/mm^2.  20AWG is about 0.5mm^2, which would work out to 1.5 Arms.  So if you ran the thing for a while at the level, you might over heat the primary winding. 

My guess is that you could add some more light bulbs.  The QEG has the interesting behavior of putting out more power as the output resistance is increased, right up until the point the resonance get damped out. 

Did you say the frequency of the primary was 192Hz?

You might want to see what kind of voltage is developing across a single lamp.

What are those 100W lamps?

Cheers,

Fred
Fred,
The frequency is in the secondary . 192/195 Hz. The current is in the secondary. My secondary is the same that the "hope girl" shows in the schematics, just the wires has diferent size. Instead 350 turns of 10 Awg, I had 350 turns of 2X16 awg that is a little bit less amps than 10 Awg, but enough for the load..The lights bulbs are in parallel, so has 120 volts across.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on May 11, 2014, 03:21:13 PM
Is it close to the resonance frequency by calculation?
Apparently you use supercap no?
They not have a realy high dielectric strength.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 11, 2014, 03:41:59 PM
Ari,

Can you make a posting where you state your measurements and observations?  Also a simple schematic of your setup and your measurement points?

It's important to present your measurements yourself, along with your YouTube clip.  Even if the measurements are disappointing it's very important to state them.  Everyone that does a replication should do the same thing.  That also applies to the 'official' teams in Taiwan and Morocco and everyone else.  I have to assume that some of those teams are also following this thread.  Proper measurements and proper documentation are critical issues in understanding what is going on.

For example, what is the output frequency?  Are you using a clamp-on meter to measure the current through the light bulbs?  Is the clamp-on meter able to properly measure current at the measured output frequency?  If you are not sure then what is the manufacturer and part number for the clamp-on meter?  Is the clamp-on meter only able to measure the RMS value for a sine wave or is the clamp-on meter a true-RMS clamp-on meter?  What is the voltage waveform like across the light bulbs themselves?  That's an example of how important it is for any experimenter to properly document what they are doing and how and where they are making their measurements.

MileHigh
MileHigh
Good morning!
I will try to answer the questions!
1) Coils- Primary:- 2 coils of 20 AWG wire 3050 turns each one. The inductance with the rotor installed is about 15 H each one. This change when I run the rotor by hand...
2) Capacitors: The capacitors bank are 7.600 volts rated and I have more than 30KV of insulation calculated and I have 0.156 uF using my " cheap"  instrument. Calculated should be 0.125 uF.
3) Coil- Secondary:- 2 coils of 2X16 AWG wire 350 turns each one.
4) The output frequency that I measured (195 Hz) was in the secondary and I need to do some more tests, since something is intriguing me and my tachometer is not working good.
What is intriguing me is: When I start to run and I speed up to reach the resonance point, it looks like that the FREQUENCY JUST LOCK UP in this number ( 192/195 Hz). The more that I try to increase the speed, more increase the output and input power. It is strange, no?


I will post some more information.
About schematic, I will try to send it tomorrow. Here in my home I have just iPad and it's no so friendly for me.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 11, 2014, 04:18:45 PM
Ari,

As James said the thing will kind of phase lock.  Really a wall of resistance to drive torque forms at the resonant frequency.  It requires more and more drive torque as the system approaches the exact resonant frequency, and it will output more and more power in proportion to that drive.  Then if even more power is applied the rotor speed will exceed the resonant frequency of the primary circuit and the resistance to input drive will fall off sharply and the resonant oscillations in the primary will stop.

What is the inductance of the primary when the rotor is aligned perfectly with a pole, and what is the inductance of the primary when the rotor it aligned perfectly in between poles.

I was also wondering about the DC resistance of the primary and secondary windings.

Thank you for your previous answers.

Cheers,

Fred

By the way, the cogging torque of the QEG is probable causing jitter in the angular velocity of the rotor, and that jitter is probable giving the tachometer a hard time determining a steady state rpm.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 11, 2014, 04:26:22 PM
MileHigh
Good morning!
I will try to answer the questions!
1) Coils- Primary:- 2 coils of 20 AWG wire 3050 turns each one. The inductance with the rotor installed is about 15 H each one. This change when I run the rotor by hand...
2) Capacitors: The capacitors bank are 7.600 volts rated and I have more than 30KV of insulation calculated and I have 0.156 uF using my " cheap"  instrument. Calculated should be 0.125 uF.
3) Coil- Secondary:- 2 coils of 2X16 AWG wire 350 turns each one.
4) The output frequency that I measured (195 Hz) was in the secondary and I need to do some more tests, since something is intriguing me and my tachometer is not working good.
What is intriguing me is: When I start to run and I speed up to reach the resonance point, it looks like that the FREQUENCY JUST LOCK UP in this number ( 192/195 Hz). The more that I try to increase the speed, more increase the output and input power. It is strange, no?


I will post some more information.
About schematic, I will try to send it tomorrow. Here in my home I have just iPad and it's no so friendly for me.


5) The instruments a) Clamp-meter :- I'm using a cheap one just for amps, but is true rms.
b) Scope:- I'm using a RIGOL DS1102E, for volts and frequency. The lead scale that I'm using is 10X.
6) The load:- I'm using 8X60 watts lights bulbs.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on May 11, 2014, 04:38:59 PM
@ariovaldo
"4) The output frequency that I measured (195 Hz) was in the secondary and I need to do some more tests, since something is intriguing me and my tachometer is not working good.
What is intriguing me is: When I start to run and I speed up to reach the resonance point, it looks like that the FREQUENCY JUST LOCK UP in this number ( 192/195 Hz). The more that I try to increase the speed, more increase the output and input power. It is strange, no?"

This is exactely what Tesla write in is 511916 patent claim's: see the last words of his patent.

http://exvacuo.free.fr/div/Sciences/Brevets/Tesla/US000511916%20-%20N%20Tesla%20-%20Electric%20generator%20-%201894.pdf

"6. The method of producing electric currents of constant period herein described
which consists in imparting the oscillations of an engine to the moving element of an electric generator and regulating the period of mechanical oscillation by an adjustment of
the reaction of the electric generator, as herein set forth. "

"The method of producing electric currents of constant period herein described   ...   and regulating the period of mechanical oscillation by an adjustment of the reaction of the electric generator" :

He never pretend something else...

Bravo for your work, your are the first to got and describe the result!
Maurice BERNARD

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 11, 2014, 04:40:32 PM
Ari,

As James said the thing will kind of phase lock.  Really a wall of resistance to drive torque forms at the resonant frequency.  It requires more and more drive torque as the system approaches the exact resonant frequency, and it will output more and more power in proportion to that drive.  Then if even more power is applied the rotor speed will exceed the resonant frequency of the primary circuit and the resistance to input drive will fall off sharply and the resonant oscillations in the primary will stop.

What is the inductance of the primary when the rotor is aligned perfectly with a pole, and what is the inductance of the primary when the rotor it aligned perfectly in between poles.

I was also wondering about the DC resistance of the primary and secondary windings.

Thank you for your previous answers.



Cheers,

Fred

By the way, the cogging torque of the QEG is probable causing jitter in the angular velocity of the rotor, and that jitter is probable giving the tachometer a hard time determining a steady state rpm.
The inductance when I turn the rotor slowly goes up 20 Henries that is the max scale in my instrument...
I made a test, disconnecting the primary and put a 15 uF capacitor in the secondary. When I run the system, it resonate in a low speed and lost the resonance after speed up...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on May 11, 2014, 05:29:44 PM
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The inductance when I turn the rotor slowly goes up 20 Henries that is the max scale in my instrument...
I made a test, disconnecting the primary and put a 15 uF capacitor in the secondary. When I run the system, it resonate in a low speed and lost the resonance after speed up...

1/(2*Pi*SquarR(20*0,000015))=9,19 Hz
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 11, 2014, 05:37:24 PM
1/(2*Pi*SquarR(20*0,000015))=9,19 Hz
Don't forget that I installed the capacitor in the secondary.....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 11, 2014, 06:14:14 PM
I would like to register that I'm not here to judge somebody that is claim overunity and I'm not claim anything...I'm just an old guy that use the spare time to build and to test stuff. I never found any overunity since I beginning 8 years ago.
I mentioned somewhere in this forum, that I'm getting some high voltage leakage in the secondary. This is the same that happened in the witts movie ( start at 4 minutes)
Check it out..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDIFbcy6WC0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDIFbcy6WC0)


Cheers,


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 11, 2014, 06:53:34 PM
Ari,

Thank you for all of the information.

Quote
What is intriguing me is: When I start to run and I speed up to reach the resonance point, it looks like that the FREQUENCY JUST LOCK UP in this number ( 192/195 Hz). The more that I try to increase the speed, more increase the output and input power. It is strange, no?

There is a possible explanation for this.  Assume that when you have resonance that the power goes into the primary resonator and that couples to light bulb load on the secondary quite well.  It's almost like an 'active' coupling because of the LC resonator.  The LC resonator will dissipate as much power as you can put into it, in other words it matches it's power drain to be the same as the power supplied by the source.  When you add the light bulb load assume the effect is still taking place.  (I am assuming that the LC resonator is on the primary like the standard QEG.)

Note that the light bulb load is capable of dissipating more power if you make it available.  When you try to increase the motor speed and add more electrical power, the QEG's resonant tank circuit coupled to the light bulb load absorbs the extra power and couples it to the light bulb load.  This creates more Lens draz on the motor and keeps it at the same speed.

If this is true then it's like there is a "frequency wall" almost like the sound barrier.   If your motor had enough torque it could "break through the wall" and then the LC resonator would go out of resonance and the light bulbs would dim.

This can all be confirmed by making careful measurements.  If what I said is correct then as you add motor power you may only detect a very tiny increase in speed while seeing increases in motor power and light bulb power.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 11, 2014, 07:13:04 PM
Ari,

Thank you for all of the information.

There is a possible explanation for this.  Assume that when you have resonance that the power goes into the primary resonator and that couples to light bulb load on the secondary quite well.  It's almost like an 'active' coupling because of the LC resonator.  The LC resonator will dissipate as much power as you can put into it, in other words it matches it's power drain to be the same as the power supplied by the source.  When you add the light bulb load assume the effect is still taking place.  (I am assuming that the LC resonator is on the primary like the standard QEG.)

Note that the light bulb load is capable of dissipating more power if you make it available.  When you try to increase the motor speed and add more electrical power, the QEG's resonant tank circuit coupled to the light bulb load absorbs the extra power and couples it to the light bulb load.  This creates more Lens draz on the motor and keeps it at the same speed.

If this is true then it's like there is a "frequency wall" almost like the sound barrier.   If your motor had enough torque it could "break through the wall" and then the LC resonator would go out of resonance and the light bulbs would dim.

This can all be confirmed by making careful measurements.  If what I said is correct then as you add motor power you may only detect a very tiny increase in speed while seeing increases in motor power and light bulb power.

MileHigh
You are right..
For now my motor doesn't have more power to "break this barrier" I can add some resistance in the primary, between the  inductor and the capacitor bank.
Last night, as I said in one of my post, I disconnect the primary and I installed a capacitor in the secondary. The resonant point was in a low speed. At this time, the motor was strong enough to "break the barrier" and  and the lights in the other secondary coil start to dim as the speed increased until the point to lose the resonance.


Cheers


Ariovaldo.


By the way, so far it looks like a normal generator.....nothing new as I expected. But I'm learning a lot...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 11, 2014, 07:28:27 PM
Some effects that I noticed...
1) With the circuit open the secondary voltage is very high....I found this last week and I confirmed that now in a hard way. I burned some more lights bulbs.
2) The above effect was proved to be right by disconnecting one of the six lights bulbs. The voltage increased. ( normal)
3) With load or without load, once the resonance is locked, the input is the same...


http://youtu.be/yFr20PLUs6A


That is all for today...


Cheers


Ariovaldo


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on May 11, 2014, 08:31:36 PM
From my days of studying output and power transformer design for musical instrument amplifiers, the rule of thumb was 3 A/mm^2, although that was a conservative figure.  So, 2 A/mm^2 for the 20AWG would probably work fine without over heating in the QEG, unless the machine was operated for a long time while sitting out in the sun on a hot day.  Such a occasion might occur if the QEG ever found its way into common use as a generator, as it does on a regular basis for musical instrument amps sitting out on stage.
@F_Brown:

Take a look at the table here:

http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm

AWG20 is listed at 0.8128mm diameter (or 0.5153 mm^2 area) and the maximum amps for chassis wiring (DC) is listed as 11 Amps. Maximum amps for power transmission is 1.5A, or for AWG20 with 0.5153 mm^2 area, 2.9A/mm^2. This is close to your number of 3A/mm^2. Question remains what frequency this 1.5A number that is stated in the table applies to? 60Hz? 27kHz? Or wired in air (chassis) or in a bundle (power transmission).

Same question for the QEG. The secondaries run at 200Hz. Most likely AWG20 can carry amps somewhere in between 1.5A and 11A depending how tightly packed the coils and what frequency it is run at?

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on May 11, 2014, 09:16:14 PM
@Ariovaldo

A summary here:

1. Inductance varies from 15H at lowest to 20H at highest value (maybe a little higher since it is instrument limilt). Let's assume a mean value of maybe 17.5H.
2. Tuned capacitance is 0.156uF
3. This translates to a tank circuit resonance of 1/(2*pi*sqrt(L*C) = 96.325Hz
4. Parametric excitation occurs at 4x the rotor speed while the tank resonance occurs at 2x the rotor speed
5. Hence the rotor is most likely running around 48Hz, or 2880rpm. Can you confirm this Ariovaldo? If not, e.g. the rotor is running at 24Hz (1440rpm), it means you are running the tank circuit at the second harmonic (which is less efficient) and should increase the capacitance by a factor of 4 to 0.624uF.
6. Secondary output oscillates at twice the primary frequency so should be around 2*96.325 = 193Hz, which is what you measured.

So it appears you are driving the machine correctly if you can confirm the motor runs at 2880rpm. If not, adjust your capacitance as stated in 5. above.

Let's take a look at the secondary load:

1. 60W light bulb. Each light bulb (assuming they are rated for 120V), will have a resistance of 240ohms and can carry a current of 0.5A.
2. 8x 60W light bulb in parallel is equivalent to a secondary load of 30 Ohms and should draw a current of 4A when fully lit.
3. From your measurement, eight bulbs only draw about 1.9amps, so about 0.25amps per bulb.

What you should try is to load the secondaries more (less resistance) by adding another 8 bulbs in parallel. This will decrease the secondary resistance to 15ohms and should bump the current up hopefully closer to 0.5A per bulb. The voltage may drop a little, but that's OK. At least you won't burn out any bulbs.

If you can get 16 bulbs to fully light, that would be 16x 60W is 960Watts.

Then let's see what the input power to the motor does. Try to confirm its RPMs as well.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 11, 2014, 11:29:51 PM
@F_Brown:

Take a look at the table here:

http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm (http://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm)

AWG20 is listed at 0.8128mm diameter (or 0.5153 mm^2 area) and the maximum amps for chassis wiring (DC) is listed as 11 Amps. Maximum amps for power transmission is 1.5A, or for AWG20 with 0.5153 mm^2 area, 2.9A/mm^2. This is close to your number of 3A/mm^2. Question remains what frequency this 1.5A number that is stated in the table applies to? 60Hz? 27kHz? Or wired in air (chassis) or in a bundle (power transmission).

Same question for the QEG. The secondaries run at 200Hz. Most likely AWG20 can carry amps somewhere in between 1.5A and 11A depending how tightly packed the coils and what frequency it is run at?

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My reference material used the 3A/mm^2 figure for both EI core 60Hz power amps and EI core audio output transformers, which would be considered to cover at best -3db at 30Hz - 30kHz.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 11, 2014, 11:41:50 PM
I completed a mulit-dimensional interpolation table for SPICE simulation of the QEG inductance based the data generated by the FEMM analysis, and it seems to have passed it's sanity check.

The first image was created by stepping through the current and angle in SPICE as the FEMM analysis did, the y axis represent henries, and the x axis represents amps.  The second image is the reference from the FEMM analysis.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 12, 2014, 01:40:21 AM

What you should try is to load the secondaries more (less resistance) by adding another 8 bulbs in parallel. This will decrease the secondary resistance to 15ohms and should bump the current up hopefully closer to 0.5A per bulb. The voltage may drop a little, but that's OK. At least you won't burn out any bulbs.

If you can get 16 bulbs to fully light, that would be 16x 60W is 960Watts.

Then let's see what the input power to the motor does. Try to confirm its RPMs as well.


The QEG has an odd behavior of maintaining a somewhat constant current into resistive loads.  In simulation I have noticed that to get more power dissipated in a resistive load, I had to to increase the resistance of the load rather than decrease it. 

So, I would recommend putting bulbs in series rather than parallel and see what happens.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 12, 2014, 01:55:16 AM
The QEG has an odd behavior of maintaining a somewhat constant current into resistive loads.  In simulation I have noticed that to get more power dissipated in a resistive load, I had to to increase the resistance of the load rather than decrease it. 

So, I would recommend putting bulbs in series rather than parallel and see what happens.


I will try, but I need install a spark gap across the phases to avoid sparks when I start the generator. Also I need to play a little bit more with the frequency ( capacitors X speed )


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 12, 2014, 02:33:23 AM
The QEG has an odd behavior of maintaining a somewhat constant current into resistive loads.  In simulation I have noticed that to get more power dissipated in a resistive load, I had to to increase the resistance of the load rather than decrease it. 

So, I would recommend putting bulbs in series rather than parallel and see what happens.

Indeed the 'odd behavior' is exactly how a discharging inductor behaves.  In the real QEG if the simulation is accurate it would suggest that the spinning rotor induces magnetic energy into the core because it is exciting the primary.  That causes Lenz drag on the rotor.  Then when the rotor is out of contact with the core the magnetic energy in the core has to go somewhere, and the exit path is through the secondary into the light bulb load.  I will repeat that all of this would have to be confirmed on the real QEG by doing a detailed timing analysis.

The above behaviour describes a transformer operating in pulse mode, i.e.; somewhat akin to an ignition coil.  That's opposed to AC coupling where the primary and secondary transfer power simultaneously like a set of meshed gears.  Since it is unusual in design, it may have properties of both.

That ties in directly to the subject of the light bulb load.  Do you connect the light bulbs in series or do you connect them in parallel to put a heavier load on the QEG and have it transfer more power into the load?  The answer to that is not determined and tests would have to be made.  It's a huge mistake for an experimenter with this setup to "know" head of time one way or the other.  The first step is to measure the resistance of the secondary coils.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 12, 2014, 02:35:13 AM
Big update from James:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/366-morocco-qeg-build-general-progress-update-part-1#1533

Hi everyone! We've not had internet for the past couple of days since I promised an update. Here it is from Jamie:
 
 Morocco QEG Build – General Progress Update – Part 1                                           10-May-2014
 From: Jamie
 To: All our Amazing Supporters and Followers
 
 As I’m sure everyone is aware, we have had many engineers and technicians here in Morocco working on the QEG with us in the last 3 weeks. Of particular note are the guys from Germany and the German speaking countries, Holland, UK, Canada, and Slovenia. Thanks to these dedicated individuals for their time, effort, and support, spiritually as well as technically… And thanks also to all the amazing and selfless people who brought us parts for the QEG in their suitcases and carry-ons without regard for risk involved. All have contributed to this endeavor, and all are greatly appreciated!
 
 I must personally apologize to all for not publishing more material and more of my own comments on progress etc., to date. It has been a struggle to keep the build and the development process moving forward due mostly to difficulty sourcing parts here, and researching design questions. There has been little choice but to just keep working and try to catch up with your questions, comments and communication whenever internet/phone are available (which is only about 3% of the time in Aouchtam). The engineers and residents here have just made some improvements with the internet hardware, so we’re expecting communications to be a bit better now going forward. And hopefully this update will clear up most of the technical concerns and lack of documentation.
 
 I’m sure the question in everyone’s mind is: How close are we to overunity? Well, here in Morocco, we are very close, within about 200 Watts (800 Watts out for 1000 Watts in at this point in development). We have heard yesterday and today that (2) other groups have completed the basic QEG build, and have resonance. This is good news, since the more people we have working on the development, the faster we will reach our goal.
 
 In the last few days, several negative posts and comments have been circulating about what we are doing here. This is astonishing to us! Apparently some groups and individuals were expecting a completely finished product to be delivered into their hands, with nothing left to do. We have always said that as soon as we got the basic resonance from the machine, we would open source all the information we had, and that’s what we’ve done. The intent was to co-develop the machine in an open source platform, with input, comments, test data, solutions and suggestions shared transparently between all groups that have chosen to build the machine.
 
 Continuing in that spirit, here is a snapshot of our current status…
 As we’ve said before, after the mechanical build, it’s not too difficult to get the machine into resonance, since it is a variable frequency generator. We were instructed (by WITTS) to ’match’ the electrical resonance (‘tank’ circuit resonant frequency), with the mechanical resonance (self-resonant frequency of the steel core) which was stated to be around 400 Hz. It was also stated that type M21 steel should be used for the core (however, M21 has been obsolete for many years), and that type M19 could also be used, but the resonant frequency would be lower. It was stated that a ‘harmonic’ could be used, such as 200 Hz, and that would work also. We decided to look for a peak power point (fundamental resonant frequency) between 1733 RPM (116 Hz output frequency) and 3008 RPM (200 Hz output), as this seemed a reasonable speed range for the mechanical setup (Witts’ machine is running about 2450 RPM in the latest video).
 
 We arranged a test using small increments of capacitance (about 7 nF each) starting at the low RPM end (about 1733 RPM, with C of 332 nF). We did 45 iterations, in order of increasing frequency, with the input power fixed at 700 watts. The target was to plot output power against input power to try to develop a bell curve showing a peak resonant frequency. After 43 iterations, we went back to the first C/RPM value to verify it had not changed, and added one more iteration at an extra-low frequency (1727 Hz = 115Hz output frequency). We also did one shot with the input power fixed at 900 Watts (see attached tabbed spreadsheet “QEG Resonance Plot.xlsx”).
 
 As can be seen from the data, the expected trend did not really emerge from this test. The curve is quite flat (no curve) in the targeted speed range, and there is no obvious increase in power. The extreme low RPM end has the best power output and phase lock effect, which also seems to increase linearly as frequency is reduced. However this result doesn’t really fit with the mechanical setup (machine is running too slow) or with expectations from the WITTS instructions.   We are currently testing at 3000 RPM (200 Hz) and above, to determine whether or not there is a peak power point in this range (which seems too fast).
 
 It’s possible the 7nF steps we used were too large, but not likely that the peak resonant point would be that sharp. If we do not find a peak in the range of 200 Hz and above, we will assume that the exciter coil must be in place and operational to be able to find the ‘sweet spot’ in tuning the capacitors to the core resonance. We are determined to document and publish the technique necessary to do this ‘etheric’ tuning.
 
 We have also heard from others who have taken the WITTS classes, that an antenna of 20 to 50 feet in length, along with the earth ground(s), are important to bring energy in from the environment, and that the exciter coil can be connected in the primary circuit or the secondary circuit. We will try all possible combinations of these connections, and report our findings in Part 2 of this update.
 
 We are having some preliminary success with the exciter coil wired in series with the primary, at a nominal RPM/C value of 2700/140nF. The output is loaded with 6 100 Watt, 240V incandescent lamps, wired in series to provide a relatively light load, but allowing the output voltage to rise as high as 1440 volts (240 Volts X 6). While adjusting the rotor speed to provide about 500 Volts output, we have a small spark in the gap. We have been able to tickle the spark gap and keep a small arc going for several seconds at a time.
 
 We will continue with testing for a max resonance point in the speed range of 200 Hz and above, and also with examining exciter coil effects on power output. We will provide results and analysis of testing in Part 2 of this update, in a few days.
 
 We are very grateful to 3 of our UK guys who have provided a complete array of test equipment, delivered personally last night here in Morocco. This will be invaluable to us for ongoing development, and to publish readings and results.
 
 (Also attaching the update word document here and the QEG Resonance Plot excel spreadsheet.)
 
 Stay ‘tuned’ for more…
 Much Love and Light!
 Jamie

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 12, 2014, 02:45:59 AM
What James has to say is not confidence inspiring.

Here is a smoking gun and people should be very concerned:

Quote
In the last few days, several negative posts and comments have been circulating about what we are doing here. This is astonishing to us! Apparently some groups and individuals were expecting a completely finished product to be delivered into their hands, with nothing left to do. We have always said that as soon as we got the basic resonance from the machine, we would open source all the information we had, and that’s what we’ve done. The intent was to co-develop the machine in an open source platform, with input, comments, test data, solutions and suggestions shared transparently between all groups that have chosen to build the machine.

Straight from the HopeGirl blog:

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/qeg-open-sourced/

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As Promised, here are the open sourced documents for a quantum energy generator. This has been made possible by the people and for the people. It is freely given to the world.

An average modern household requires 5-10KW of power  to operate.

A conventional generator needs   15KW to produce 10KW of power.

To produce these 15KW of power we rely on gas, diesel, propane, coal or other products that can be metered creating profits for the oil industry.

130 years ago Nikola Tesla invented and patented an energy generator. This is a resonance machine that only needs 1KW of input power to produce 10KW of output power.  His patents are now in the public domain.

The Fix the World Organization has reproduced Teslas design with a few modern twists to generate the same results.   Our Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) provides 10KW of power output for less than 1KW input, which it supplies to itself.

We have freely given this technology to the people of the world.  We’ve open sourced a full set of instructions, user manual, schematics and parts list for any engineer to follow and reproduce the same results.

So they are caught in a lie, and presumably hundreds of thousands of dollars have already been spent by many people.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 12, 2014, 02:47:41 AM
Big update from James:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/366-morocco-qeg-build-general-progress-update-part-1#1533 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/366-morocco-qeg-build-general-progress-update-part-1#1533)



@MH
Never thought that you will be that anxious or quick to re-post such 'nonsense'. Maybe the fact that they are only 200W from O.U made you wet your pants? Well, just sit tight and wait. Hopefully you won't crap in your pants if and when they are able to achieve their goal.


cheers,
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 12, 2014, 02:59:02 AM
ChrisC,

Thanks for the classy metaphors.

There are two docs that go with James' posting but I can't read them on my home computer.

However, here is comment from somewhere else about the documents:

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Having looked through Robitaille's report more in detail here's the next irritating issue: His table with measurements doesn't even remotely match his claim of having achieved 80% (1000 W in / 800 W out) efficiency. The results in the table hover around 700 W in / 250 W out, or roughly 35%, with the best result around 700 W in / 308 W out, or 44%. Why always these incongruencies?

And there's still no info how *exactly* he measured output power. Given how problematic AC power measurements can be (phase shift and all) that doesn't inspire confidence in his measurements.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 12, 2014, 03:04:33 AM
ChrisC,

Thanks for the classy metaphors.

There are two docs that go with James' posting but I can't read them on my home computer.

However, here is comment from somewhere else about the documents:

MileHigh


That's why I advised you to sit tight and wait. For all I know, they may just be rather stupid to spend all their time and $ chasing after a wild goose and you can just be thankful that your esteemed ego continues to fly high. But then sh** may happen?
cheers,
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 12, 2014, 03:22:38 AM
ChrisC:  Did you notice that I gave some helpful suggestions about working with the light bulb load in the spirit of helping people understand their QEGs?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on May 12, 2014, 03:23:07 AM
The QEG has an odd behavior of maintaining a somewhat constant current into resistive loads.  In simulation I have noticed that to get more power dissipated in a resistive load, I had to to increase the resistance of the load rather than decrease it. 

So, I would recommend putting bulbs in series rather than parallel and see what happens.
What Ariovaldo needs to do, depends on what Ariovaldo's current resistive load point is (Rc=30ohms in this case) compared to the optimum load point.

There is an optimum load resistance (Ropt) that will give maximum power out. If you go away from this Ropt in either direction (Rc larger or smaller than Ropt), it will decrease the output power.

30 ohms load is actually a pretty high resistance, so in my statement I am assuming that Ropt < 30ohms and that hence the bulb load in parallel should be increased.

The only way to find out for sure where his current operating point is located (Rc > Ropt or Rc < Ropt) is to try both changes: decreasing Rc (higher load, e.g. 12 or 16 bulbs in parallel) or increasing Rc (smaller load, e.g. 4 or 6 bulbs in parallel).

Ariovaldo, can you try both experiments?

Also please let us know what the resistance is of each of the primary and secondary coils. I expect each primary coil (AWG20) to be around 30ohms and each secondary (AWG16) around 1ohm.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 12, 2014, 03:26:40 AM
What Ariovaldo needs to do, depends on what Ariovaldo's current resistive load point is (Rc=30ohms in this case) compared to the optimum load point.

There is an optimum load resistance (Ropt) that will give maximum power out. If you go away from this Ropt in either direction (Rc larger or smaller than Ropt), it will decrease the output power.

30 ohms load is actually a pretty high resistance, so in my statement I am assuming that Ropt < 30ohms and that hence the bulb load in parallel should be increased.

The only way to find out for sure where his current operating point is located (Rc > Ropt or Rc < Ropt) is to try both changes: decreasing Rc (higher load, e.g. 12 or 16 bulbs in parallel) or increasing Rc (smaller load, e.g. 4 or 6 bulbs in parallel).

Ariovaldo, can you try both experiments?

Also please let us know what the resistance is of each of the primary and secondary coils. I expect each primary coil (AWG20) to be around 30ohms and each secondary (AWG16) around 1ohm.

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Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 12, 2014, 03:35:47 AM
ChrisC:  Did you notice that I gave some helpful suggestions about working with the light bulb load in the spirit of helping people understand their QEGs?
@MH
Yes I did notice but I somehow cannot fathom how and why you would even consider helping make this thing called the QEG work since it was very obvious to you not so long ago that this 'thing' cannot possibly work - it's against all known theory. Maybe I'm not good at understanding all these long long posts? Well, that said, I hope you can meaningfully contribute. Any good contribution is a good contribution. Thanks.
cheers,
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 12, 2014, 03:38:21 AM
Pmgr,

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There is an optimum load resistance (Ropt) that will give maximum power out. If you go away from this Ropt in either direction (Rc larger or smaller than Ropt), it will decrease the output power.

This only applies if the QEG is mainly or fully acting like an AC transformer.  If the core of the QEG is acting like a pulse transformer then the concept of an optimal or matched impedance goes away.  If the QEG is acting like a pulse transformer then the output impedance is infinity.  In that case, the higher the resistance of the load, the faster the magnetic energy in the core will discharge.  You can keep increasing the load resistance until the load is an open circuit and then you would expect to see spark discharges in the coils themselves.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 12, 2014, 04:38:19 AM
Pmgr,

This only applies if the QEG is mainly or fully acting like an AC transformer.  If the core of the QEG is acting like a pulse transformer then the concept of an optimal or matched impedance goes away.  If the QEG is acting like a pulse transformer then the output impedance is infinity.  In that case, the higher the resistance of the load, the faster the magnetic energy in the core will discharge.  You can keep increasing the load resistance until the load is an open circuit and then you would expect to see spark discharges in the coils themselves.

MileHigh
You gave me one idea!! I do think the windings should be different....
This will take time but but I will try.....
Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 12, 2014, 06:03:11 AM
The multi-dimensional interpolation table for the QEG torque is now complete, and it also passed its sanity test.  I only made a FEMM image for the negative torque for reference.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 12, 2014, 07:59:37 AM

@MH
Never thought that you will be that anxious or quick to re-post such 'nonsense'. Maybe the fact that they are only 200W from O.U made you wet your pants? Well, just sit tight and wait. Hopefully you won't crap in your pants if and when they are able to achieve their goal.


cheers,
chrisC


Did you post "when they are able to achieve their goal"?

200W from O.U. when 100,000W are in question may be close, but as of know that is 80% close.  80%+ could and is achieved with most generators.  Did you look at the link and the included attachments of measurements?  Had you bothered you would see the calculations peaked at 307W.  So that there is going to spawn more questions to this mysticism.

Its being played out as if this is a first build and not as a reproduction.
The narrative has changed again. In narrative order:
1. Output of 240v 42 amps 60hz. (from manual 03-25-2014)
2. Output of 2000v 5 amps 400hz. (from interviews)
3. Output of 1400v lower amps due to not over unity yet 200hz, and may need an aerial? (Morocco)

I don't fault the lower amps because its not over unity. Still, this is the third narrative. Also the third build of the machine by the QEG team. If a forth build is attempted by the QEG team at a forth location, will the narrative change again? At what point does one not just pack up, return home, copy the existing claimed over unity machine verbatim, and then proceed. Then disassemble the working prototypes and have the parts shipped in advance to next installation site. Or perhaps the unspeakable, ship the unit as a whole securely fastened with all moving parts removed of course.

For the 100th+ time (o.u. pun intended) I ask the question to those from forums to blogs who keep saying "wait".  As you put it "when they are able to achieve their goal".  I ask what is it again that you are waiting for?  There is supposed to be an existing prototype that ran for 150 discreet hours.  Read all the hopegirl wordpages and FTW domain claims.  The claim is not that of attempting to build, the claim it of HAVE NOW A WORKING device.  But instead of acknowledging this and putting focus on the prototype, some how the growing band wagon jumpers are infected with that new virus I hereby dub the Wait See virus.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 12, 2014, 10:33:30 AM

@MH
Never thought that you will be that anxious or quick to re-post such 'nonsense'. Maybe the fact that they are only 200W from O.U made you wet your pants? Well, just sit tight and wait. Hopefully you won't crap in your pants if and when they are able to achieve their goal.


cheers,
chrisC
chrisC 200W might as well be the extent of the universe.  The incredible barrier that Hope Girl lied when she said they had broken it is the barrier between under unity and over unity.  Actually crossing that barrier would be a monumental development.  It means the difference between conservative systems and those with infinite COP.  FTW hasn't crossed it.  FTW's efficiency hasn't even matched ordinary off the shelf equipment.  Hope Girl is a scam artist.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: FixedSys on May 12, 2014, 12:15:57 PM
Here is a smoking gun and people should be very concerned....

Apparently some groups and individuals were expecting a completely finished product to be delivered into their hands, with nothing left to do. We have always said that as soon as we got the basic resonance from the machine, we would open source all the information we had, and that’s what we’ve done. The intent was to co-develop the machine in an open source platform, with input, comments, test data, solutions and suggestions shared transparently between all groups that have chosen to build the machine

The Fix the World Organization has reproduced Teslas design with a few modern twists to generate the same results.   Our Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) provides 10KW of power output for less than 1KW input, which it supplies to itself.


The later FtWO quote could imply that they have reproduced the design only. If that is the case, then they should have clarified long ago. For if they are genuine, they have left themselves open to rightful criticism and so should not be surprised by it at all.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 12, 2014, 12:25:17 PM
The later FtWO quote could imply that they have reproduced the design only. If that is the case, then they should have clarified long ago. For if they are genuine, they have left themselves open to rightful criticism and so should not be surprised by it at all.
The quote establishes out and out fraud.  On the one hand they disclaim ever having had something that works, saying they wished to codevelop, and on the other they claim 10kW out for 1kW in.  The whole episode is disgusting.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: CANGAS on May 12, 2014, 12:25:30 PM
In all the excitement , I have lost count myself.

When was the last post made by Hope Girl or somebody associated with her?

Were they lost on that airplane that vanished?


CANGAS 31
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: FixedSys on May 12, 2014, 01:40:26 PM
The quote establishes out and out fraud.  On the one hand they disclaim ever having had something that works, saying they wished to codevelop, and on the other they claim 10kW out for 1kW in.  The whole episode is disgusting.
If they had stated "The Fix the World Organization has reproduced Teslas design with a few modern twists to generate the same results.   Our Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) hypothesis and design provides 10KW of power output for less than 1KW input, which it supplies to itself", then that would have been okay...ish.
My take is it was at least extremely foolish to omit any mention of design / hypothesis, and is likely to be out and out fraud but I don't believe this is established yet.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 12, 2014, 01:47:17 PM
If they had stated "The Fix the World Organization has reproduced Teslas design with a few modern twists to generate the same results.   Our Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) hypothesis and design provides 10KW of power output for less than 1KW input, which it supplies to itself", then that would have been okay...ish.
My take is it was at least extremely foolish to omit any mention of design / hypothesis, and is likely to be out and out fraud but I don't believe this is established yet.
They made claims to things they did not have.  They raised money to go globetrotting with their non-working devices with false claims that they were going to help the disadvantaged.  Instead of helping any disadvantaged, they have helped themselves to a nice around the world vacation.  They are crooks.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: FixedSys on May 12, 2014, 02:06:27 PM
They made claims to things they did not have.  They raised money to go globetrotting with their non-working devices with false claims that they were going to help the disadvantaged.  Instead of helping any disadvantaged, they have helped themselves to a nice around the world vacation.  They are crooks.
I'm playing juror, you are playing judge.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: calim on May 12, 2014, 02:08:27 PM
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They raised money to go globetrotting with their non-working devices with false claims that they were going to help the disadvantaged.  Instead of helping any disadvantaged, they have helped themselves to a nice around the world vacation.  They are crooks.

Mark, I would not say that you are wrong but in fact... that you're blowing. Really.
I read all you technicals posts with good interest but on another hand you can't prevent yourself to openly judge people like this. Please could you stop this, as it is very annoying, at least for me.

Thank you !!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 12, 2014, 02:59:48 PM
Mark, I would not say that you are wrong but in fact... that you're blowing. Really.
I read all you technicals posts with good interest but on another hand you can't prevent yourself to openly judge people like this. Please could you stop this, as it is very annoying, at least for me.

Thank you !!!
Calim no one forces you to read my posts.  They have done what they have done.  You should be upset with the perpetrators of the fraud, not any messenger.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 12, 2014, 03:00:36 PM
I'm playing juror, you are playing judge.
The facts are plain to see. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 12, 2014, 05:36:20 PM
I've been putting my multi-dimensional lookup tables through some more paces. 

The starting trace is green in the graphs.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 12, 2014, 05:44:08 PM
I've been putting my multi-dimensional lookup tables through some more paces. 

The starting trace is green in the graphs.
You've been doing a lot of detailed work on this for some time.  Do you have anything that suggests that the gizmo can break unity?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 12, 2014, 05:55:09 PM
You've been doing a lot of detailed work on this for some time.  Do you have anything that suggests that the gizmo can break unity?

Let me wait until I get the next step of my analysis done before I answer that.

The next step is to plug these XD tables into a SPICE simulation of the QEG primary and tally up the input power vs the output power.

Stay tuned, results soon...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: calim on May 12, 2014, 06:24:55 PM
Calim no one forces you to read my posts.  They have done what they have done.  You should be upset with the perpetrators of the fraud, not any messenger.

Mark, this time I would say you're wrong.
When I read your posts, I read it in full, because they are interesting. Unfortunately you can't restrain yourself to introduce noisy words. I just can't ignore those words, because you do it so wisely and you know this very well. I understand you're upset and the reasons for it but I'm afraid it doesn't help anyone.

When they have exhausted the money, we'll see... anyway what is done, is done.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: nickec on May 12, 2014, 08:51:54 PM
I feel compelled to point out that a great deal of effort and capital, indeed enormous effort and capital, has been expended to design, test, and construct fusion power systems.  I refer here to magnetic confinement fusion. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_confinement_fusion)

Is it unfair to compare these MCF efforts to QEG trials and tribulations?  Perhaps.  Yet in many ways they may be reasonably compared.

I do not claim that the average QEG advocate/experimenter has the science chops of the average ITER (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER) employee.  I only wish to point out that MCF and QEG both ask for money and show, as yet, little, or in the eyes of some observers, no results.

I apologize for neither the MCF camp nor the QEG camp.

The choice to risk time and money, raised by taxes, donations, or from personal coffers remains problematic yet essential.

I hope that we all appreciate this forum and other forums where our views and critiques may be frankly shared.  Let us all wish that progress will result from the actions we take thanks to our interactions.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 12, 2014, 09:44:21 PM
The major difference is that QEG has no theoretical basis to to work from. There is nothing to suggest that resonance either creates energy or even acts as a trigger for another process to release energy. This is not the case with fusion.
 IMHO, Hopegirl IS a fraud by lying about having obtained OU. Many people spent much time and effort on this project with NO hope of ever getting OU.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 12, 2014, 10:01:49 PM
chrisC 200W might as well be the extent of the universe.  The incredible barrier that Hope Girl lied when she said they had broken it is the barrier between under unity and over unity.  Actually crossing that barrier would be a monumental development.  It means the difference between conservative systems and those with infinite COP.  FTW hasn't crossed it.  FTW's efficiency hasn't even matched ordinary off the shelf equipment.  Hope Girl is a scam artist.
@MarkE
Personally, I think HopeGirl has no business writing about technical stuff she does not understand herself and making herself look real silly with all the written promises of a working device. No professional organization would ever do something like that to attract legions of trigger happy lawyers.  That said, James R worked his butts off trying to reproduce what may seemed to be a working WITTs device. I believe he is missing some pieces not disclosed by T.T - the difference between O.U and not. Wait and see.
As to the cheap shots angled at FTW for defrauding people so they can have an exotic holiday afar? Seriously, I don't equate exotic holidays with getting stomach flu, living with flies and donkeys. Get real. FTW may be naive in the way they have chosen to do things their own way but that's their choice.
cheers
chrisC

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 12, 2014, 10:26:44 PM
Again, you are assuming that Witts ever had an OU device. There is nothing to support that.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 12, 2014, 10:29:29 PM
Again, you are assuming that Witts ever had an OU device. There is nothing to support that.
Are you having memory loss, Mr. Memoryman? Did I not say, 'seemed'?
cheers,
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 12, 2014, 10:37:09 PM
No Chris, my memory is fine. In what way did it SEEM to be a working OU device? Does Witts use them to power their facilities? Did they show it self-looped for days? I am just curious. It SEEMS to me that Witts are frauds.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 12, 2014, 10:45:05 PM
I feel compelled to point out that a great deal of effort and capital, indeed enormous effort and capital, has been expended to design, test, and construct fusion power systems.  I refer here to magnetic confinement fusion. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_confinement_fusion)

Is it unfair to compare these MCF efforts to QEG trials and tribulations?  Perhaps.  Yet in many ways they may be reasonably compared.

I do not claim that the average QEG advocate/experimenter has the science chops of the average ITER (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER) employee.  I only wish to point out that MCF and QEG both ask for money and show, as yet, little, or in the eyes of some observers, no results.

I apologize for neither the MCF camp nor the QEG camp.

The choice to risk time and money, raised by taxes, donations, or from personal coffers remains problematic yet essential.

I hope that we all appreciate this forum and other forums where our views and critiques may be frankly shared.  Let us all wish that progress will result from the actions we take thanks to our interactions.
We know that fusion as a process actually works.  What we haven't been able to do is make fusion happen in a way that is net positive without being a bomb.  If someone were to declare that they had a working hot fusion reactor that they were going to open source, just give them money and then turned up empty handed like FTW I would be equally critical.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 12, 2014, 10:52:48 PM
@MarkE
Personally, I think HopeGirl has no business writing about technical stuff she does not understand herself and making herself look real silly with all the written promises of a working device. No professional organization would ever do something like that to attract legions of trigger happy lawyers.  That said, James R worked his butts off trying to reproduce what may seemed to be a working WITTs device. I believe he is missing some pieces not disclosed by T.T - the difference between O.U and not. Wait and see.
As to the cheap shots angled at FTW for defrauding people so they can have an exotic holiday afar? Seriously, I don't equate exotic holidays with getting stomach flu, living with flies and donkeys. Get real. FTW may be naive in the way they have chosen to do things their own way but that's their choice.
cheers
chrisC
Starting with the established fraud WITTS never boded well.  The claimants have all the time in the world until they declare that they actually have something.  They set the timeline.  FTW came.  FTW declared.  FTW has shown their declarations were absolutely false.  FTW continues to lie.  When someone lies to get money or something else of value, and knows that they are lying, that is fraud.  There is nothing that FTW can point to that justifies their false claims of possessing working free energy generators.  There is nothing that justifies their attempts to sell their "expertise" for $300. per hour.    For the money that we know they have collected a food bank could have fed 100 needy families for a year.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 12, 2014, 11:48:27 PM
Starting with the established fraud WITTS never boded well.  The claimants have all the time in the world until they declare that they actually have something.  They set the timeline.  FTW came.  FTW declared.  FTW has shown their declarations were absolutely false.  FTW continues to lie.  When someone lies to get money or something else of value, and knows that they are lying, that is fraud.  There is nothing that FTW can point to that justifies their false claims of possessing working free energy generators.  There is nothing that justifies their attempts to sell their "expertise" for $300. per hour.    For the money that we know they have collected a food bank could have fed 100 needy families for a year.


MarkE: In the same way, as you say  "no one forces you to read my post...", no one forces anyone to contribute to FTW cause. We're all adults and quite capable of making decisions for ourselves. We are all innocent until proven guilty. Same with FTW. Same as Witts. If Witts have something that really works and chose to sell their knowledge through repeated classes, that's their business. Right? There are engineers and others that vouched for the authenticity of Witts O.U devices powering their Armish settlements on YouTube. You can either believe or treat them as loonies. I happen to believe T.T is a true man of faith and is answerable to God for his actions and will leave it as fact he has a O.U device. The fact we can't reproduce it does not mean he's a fraud. He does differently from you and me.
Until this crowd is able to reproduce a working device, bad mouthing is not the solution. Save your time and energy for more worthwhile causes.
cheers,
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 13, 2014, 12:52:57 AM
Indeed, ChrisC, bad mouthing is not the solution.

People like MarkE, myself, and others make comments on the evidence that we have seen presented so far.  We have a right to do that, just like people who disagree and have differing opinions have the same rights.  When you work to suppress that right, then you are a "bad guy" no matter what side of the fence you are on.

For this narrative, analyzing the "story" is a very important part of the picture.  There are so many signs already.  For example, they make references to two different Tesla patents, and neither one has a direct relationship to the QEG.  These things are staring people in the face and if they want to ignore them so be it.  It's worthwhile stating just the same, it's evidence that questions their credibility.

Take the example of the "30 engineers" in Morocco.  In my mind I think this:  An engineer is approached by a friend about the QEG.  The next thing the engineer would do is go online and do searching and reading.  After an hour, it's highly doubtful that any engineer would make himself available for this project.  There is something amiss.  Beyond that, what pray tell are 30 engineers doing in Morocco?  That in and of itself does not even make sense.  It's essentially impossible to have 30 engineers working on the QEG.  Look at James' last report about what he was doing.  Do you smell the work of 30 engineers when you read his report?  Why pray tell go to a remote part of Morocco to assemble a QEG from scratch?  Why not build one in your own lab, get it working, then go to Morocco with a small team and a bill of materials and then take it apart and put it back together and show them how it works?  Instead you have what sounds like Woodstock III with a room crammed with people sleeping on the floor.

If you have enough charisma and a good story and get lucky you can pull these things off.  You can set up a social peer pressure from the group dynamic and the ambient environment to create your own temporary reality.  Look at the example of Yildiz in that university setting a few years back presumably in a room with many educated people around and nobody said anything.

If I was an engineer in Morocco, by this point I would be challenging my peers to look at this rationally.  You can't possibly have 30 engineers on board with this project unless they are a gathering of engineers on the extreme fringe.  I have looked at free energy propositions for years now, and the QEG is a typical weak-ass proposition that has no legs at all.  What's happening now is exactly what would be happening if their proposition was not real.  It's fitting the pattern like a glove.

Myself and others care about the people being hurt by this, and by the principle involved.  People will be hurt financially, and some of the New Agers that really bought into this are going to be hurt emotionally by this.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 13, 2014, 04:12:22 AM
Well, here are some results.  Although instead of being more realistic, I think it actually turned out less realistic in some ways.

First off, the resonance at 0.5 times drive frequency has disappeared in this model and now the tanks oscillates at 2.0 times the drive frequency which is 1.6 kHz..  I lack a clue as to why at this time.

Also at my initial attempt to run the model, it went into oscillations in the 500MHz to several GHz range.  Apparently the interaction between the induction table and the primary current feedback is extremely sensitive.  I finally got the model to run without HF oscillations by introducing some damping features into the circuit.  I put an RC network on the end of the table output and added a small choke into the primary circuit.  These two features allow the model to run without the parasitic oscillations. 

Additionally the wave form in the primary circuit has taken on a very asymmetric shape.  I lack a clue about why that happened too.

Yet more is that the model runs extremely slow.  It take nearly 10 minutes to simulate 100 rotor revolutions in 64ms, and there is an absence of an exponential build up of voltage and current.  This model starts with full voltage and current abruptly. 
 
Here's some images and test run results(note that the results text file link is in between the first and second images and is quite small):

I'd like to see some scope shots of the primary wave forms in some replications to compare with this.  One thing that did turn out as I expected is that the cogging torque is asymmetrical, meaning that there is a calculable difference between the amount of torque when the rotor is moving toward the poles and when the rotor is moving away from the poles.  This supports my view that it is cogging torque that is the fundamental mechanism loading the system driving the QEG.

One other interesting thing is that in this model there is a small DC current flow in one direction around the primary circuit.  I suspect that is present in the replications too.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 13, 2014, 05:38:30 AM
The work you are doing is commendable. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 13, 2014, 06:23:36 AM
More speculation from James' posting:

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We are having some preliminary success with the exciter coil wired in series with the primary, at a nominal RPM/C value of 2700/140nF. The output is loaded with 6 100 Watt, 240V incandescent lamps, wired in series to provide a relatively light load, but allowing the output voltage to rise as high as 1440 volts (240 Volts X 6). While adjusting the rotor speed to provide about 500 Volts output, we have a small spark in the gap. We have been able to tickle the spark gap and keep a small arc going for several seconds at a time.

I mentioned before that the spark gap does nothing more than short out the Neutral and L1 on the secondary side.  Is it possible that when the spark gap starts sparking that it is sucking pulses of energy out of the QEG and as a result the voltage in resonant tank circuit on the primary side starts to decrease?  You can imagine this possibility.

Like this:  The QEG is running and they slowly bring he spark gap electrodes together and the sparking starts.  Note the QEG had enough time to build up the voltage in the primary tank circuit ahead of time.  Now that the sparking is taking place, the "excess" voltage in the tank circuit is drained away to the point where the sparking stops.  Effectively the sparking happening on the secondary is draining some energy out of the primary LC tank circuit.

Is it possible to reach a quiescent point where the system sparks continuously?  It may indeed be possible.  However, if you have a scope and you watch the voltage on the secondary, you may indeed see the secondary AC voltage also slowly decreases when the spark gap is engaged.

If you do indeed measure this, then some people would argue that that is proving that the spark gap is useless, it's nothing more than another load on the system that is draining power from system in a continuous train of pulses.  Each "pulse" looks like a resistor has been connected as a temporary load.  In other words, it's nothing more than electrical quackery.

Remember, I believe Tesla used the spark gap as a high-voltage switch.  You Tesla experts can confirm this.  The spark gap was used to switch on a load only when the voltage got high enough.  It was just used as a switch to connect things together, a tool.  That's all, there is nothing more to read into it than that.  So using a spark gap to short Neutral with L1 is nonsensical.

People reading this posting should not whine about negative things being stated.  This is just an honest speculation about why the spark gap only fired for a few seconds.  It's honest to state that it's possible that it is nonsensical.  I even suggest a test to see if it is indeed sucking power out of the QEG.  Just looking at it on the schematic it looks nonsensical.  Argue this on it's technical merits, even if you are a HopeGirl fan.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on May 13, 2014, 06:53:36 AM
Pmgr,

This only applies if the QEG is mainly or fully acting like an AC transformer.  If the core of the QEG is acting like a pulse transformer then the concept of an optimal or matched impedance goes away.  If the QEG is acting like a pulse transformer then the output impedance is infinity.  In that case, the higher the resistance of the load, the faster the magnetic energy in the core will discharge.  You can keep increasing the load resistance until the load is an open circuit and then you would expect to see spark discharges in the coils themselves.

MileHigh
MileHigh,

Not sure how this thing is acting exactly, but definitely not like a normal transformer. Take a look at the attached graph of primary and secondary currents according to my simulations.

Simulations indeed show the odd frequency behavior that James describes: secondary coil current has twice the frequency of primary coil current. They also show that the primary current is symmetric (positive currents versus negative currents), but the secondary is not.

When I vary the load in my simulations, it clearly shows an optimum load resistance under which power output over the load is maximum. From simulations it seems that the secondary "prefers" a fairly high load (low resistance).

I also see the phase locking in my simulations. If you increase the torque such that the rotor speed would go past the tank resonance frequency if it were to run freely, the speed of the motor gets locked back down into the resonance frequency and output power over the load increases. If the torque is increased too much, the motor will be able to go past the locking range and resonance will stop once it does.

The question is now, how much energy does it take for the motor to turn the rotor. Normally the power of the motor is given by P=T*2*pi*f, where T is the torque and f is the frequency of the motor (RPMs/60). So other than the resonance frequency, this power does not depend on the what the QEG is doing (unless you try to drive it past resonance in which case the QEG puts counter torque on the motor to keep it in resonance).

But let's assume you exactly run the motor at resonance speed. It then appears that if a certain motor is chosen that can turn the rotor at that required speed for the minimum amount possible input Watts P, the rest of the QEG can be designed in such a way that the output power over the resistive load is maximized. At the moment I can not make a definite statement yet whether that power can potentially be larger than the power required to run the motor.

In any case the following guidelines should be followed for picking a motor and winding the coils:

1. A small as possible motor should be picked that has just enough torque to overcome any friction losses and spin the rotor at the required speed for resonance. A motor with more torque will consume more energy; unless it can be proven that this added energy can be transferred into more energy into the load (which is the case) AND that this added energy into the load is more than the additional energy the motor consumes to produce the higher torque (it is not clear yet if this last part is the case).

2. The resistance of each of the coils in the QEG (both primary and secondary) should be minimized, i.e. the wire used to wrap the coils should be as large a diameter as possible and resistivity as low as possible. In fact, the ratio 2*pi*f*L/R should be as large as possible. However, increasing f is not a solution as the power consumed by the motor will in that case also increase, so L/R should be maximized.

Hopefully (no pun intended) more to come...

PmgR
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 13, 2014, 07:55:53 AM
Pmgr,

I don't recall seeing your simulation so it's very hard to comment.  For simulations, trying to tweak your simulation against waveforms from the real thing is the way to go.  I feel it would be very hard to "fly blind" for this simulation but that's just my feeling, I have no experience playing with simulators in a serious way.

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Not sure how this thing is acting exactly, but definitely not like a normal transformer.

You are looking at this the wrong way.  If you give a normal transformer a wacky stimulation on the input you will see the wacky reaction on the output.  In this case we have some kind of electrical transformer where the properties of the transformer are a function of time (or rotor angle).  Then assume that the stimulation from the spinning rotor and how the setup interacts with the tank circuit and then you get some kind of wonky looking waveform on the output.

All of the above strangeness is all a secondary consideration.  When you factor this all in the core and input and output windings are acting _exactly_ like a transformer and the circuit is doing _exactly_ what it is supposed to be doing.  In your simulation, you can see the 1:1 correspondence for various waveform features on the primary being reflected on the secondary.

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Normally the power of the motor is given by P=T*2*pi*f, where T is the torque and f is the frequency of the motor (RPMs/60).

In this case though you can say that torque T is a function of angle, and angular speed, T(theta, omega).  But in the realm of the math you say big deal, at a given angular speed you can then calculate T(theta) and calculate the work and power required to do one full rotation (work) or to do a continuous number of rotations per second (power).

If your simulation is good and valid, then it will show you this setup doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing, even if it appears to be unusual.  And what's implicit is that this generator will have an efficiency somewhere on the "poor side" in the overall scheme of things.  I will put it another way:  The QEG will never outperform a comparable quality commercial-off-the-shelf alternator.  That's what James and HopeGirl are up against.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 13, 2014, 08:19:48 AM
I think you are misunderstanding what Joseph Neuman actually did.  With the little input power he put into his machine, he failed to extract and do any real work with the energy oscillating in the machine.   He never power anything with it.  He just show people meters displaying the oscillating voltage and current in the system, and that as I explained previously though my examples of tank circuit spice simulations, can be very misleading if interpreted carelessly.

Now with the QEG, I have found ways in simulation to extract significant power from the primary circuit and do useful work with it.  That the QEG is capable of that is clear to me.  The question that still remains is how much power needs to be applied to the rotor of the QEG to get that amount of power out of it.  So far the best efficiency any replicator has reported is 0.35, and even that was reported without any details about just how that figure was determined.

Could you ask the replicators to be more forthcoming with their data and methods?

***

Speaking of the IEEE do we have any members in the house.  I need a copy of a paper pulled.


So you got to be joking about he didn't get any power out of his machine.  Then how did he pump all that water, mere though I guess.   Have you ever watched his machine work?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 13, 2014, 09:08:17 AM
I have to laugh LOL  I have worked as an electronics engineer for years and before that in machine repair both electronic and mechanical.  Analog and digital fields.   What I am saying is if you stand on the given teachings you will justify every part of how things work on those taught theories.   And the storm of comments received proves this.   We have instruments designed to show "proofs" so of course we are convinced that is exactly what we see in the data we receive from those instruments.   How pure a science Tesla worked in without all that contrived nonsense yet established.  He made his own equipment, built his own laboratory to show his work true.   So when you come to me with "boxed" arguments we are talking apples vs oranges gentlemen.


Let me enlighten you on just recent discoveries that will illustrate my point.   We have this slightly odd free thinking guy named John Hutchinson combine wavelengths and disrupt molecular bonds of atoms into a unidentified third element.  This was in the 1990's and that is what the best labs could tell us.   Yet 10 years later we know that element was taken to the single layer form with these waveforms.   So where lack of knowledge was they injected a 3rd unidentified element into being.  When all along it was the same element just in this single layered form  (yet unheard of).  All the "measurements" taken are taken from equipment built using incorrect conclusions of what is really going on.   So of course, you can just discount anyone not conforming to those "boxes".  It is simple, I mean you have hard evidence right?  But really what you have are conclusions based on thought correct theories.   That is all you really have.  How many times have theories of all sorts been revised or even totally remade?  MOST is the answer to that.  But all the people stand on their soap boxes and spout empirical data taught to them by others who believed others who.....back to the originating theory.   If what tools we have will not support the work at hand then we need better tools that WILL model the objectives. 


Most of my work has been in electromechanical devices and servo controllers so my mind is full of all these arguments already, but if we just accept nothing is free running then explain the universe or the atom?   Like so many churches,  lol here lol there,  we are right they are wrong    blargh!  If you have ANY case where a formula does not work then is that formula correct?  PI is even flawed and it is nearly the most common formula we use daily.  So when people tell you things realize they were taught to believe this and many were.  But if all cases can not be solved using the formula then figure out the better tool.  Don't say it can't work just because your ego is impaled and you can't solve it.  But don't take is so personally, after all you may have been taught an incomplete science to keep you in a box.


And why attack me just for putting down information on flaws in our teaching system.   


Want to see something amazing,  watch a child playing with something totally new to them.  In a very short time they have it mastered,  they know the hows and whys and whens.  They are not full of this's and that's from others and when they are they are limited in what they try.   


So either go happily into paying all your utilities and accepting that is how it is or jump both feet into "pure learning, playing like a child" with your inspirations.  This is how dreams come into reality.   "It can't or I can't" never do.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 13, 2014, 10:02:52 AM
Unlike you I have not made false claims to a perpetual motion machine.  Unlike you I have not raised money to pay for globetrotting trips by building up hopes to help the poor.  What I design works.


LOL  i have never claimed to have made such a machine.   Like most here who are serious I have worked on ideas hoping for a self runner.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 13, 2014, 10:08:01 AM
You can make all the unilateral declarations that you want.  You have not made and cannot make a self running machine much less one that self runs and delivers surplus energy.  You have repeatedly demonstrated your inability to deliver on your blatantly false claims.


Which?   What claims the only thing I can remember not doing I said I would was make an outline for someone but they quit working on their project.   You are good at making false claims against others is all I can see.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 13, 2014, 10:09:29 AM
I have to laugh LOL  I have worked as an electronics engineer for years and before that in machine repair both electronic and mechanical.  Analog and digital fields.   What I am saying is if you stand on the given teachings you will justify every part of how things work on those taught theories.   And the storm of comments received proves this.   We have instruments designed to show "proofs" so of course we are convinced that is exactly what we see in the data we receive from those instruments.   How pure a science Tesla worked in without all that contrived nonsense yet established.  He made his own equipment, built his own laboratory to show his work true.   So when you come to me with "boxed" arguments we are talking apples vs oranges gentlemen.


Let me enlighten you on just recent discoveries that will illustrate my point.   We have this slightly odd free thinking guy named John Hutchinson combine wavelengths and disrupt molecular bonds of atoms into a unidentified third element.  This was in the 1990's and that is what the best labs could tell us.   Yet 10 years later we know that element was taken to the single layer form with these waveforms.   So where lack of knowledge was they injected a 3rd unidentified element into being.  When all along it was the same element just in this single layered form  (yet unheard of).  All the "measurements" taken are taken from equipment built using incorrect conclusions of what is really going on.   So of course, you can just discount anyone not conforming to those "boxes".  It is simple, I mean you have hard evidence right?  But really what you have are conclusions based on thought correct theories.   That is all you really have.  How many times have theories of all sorts been revised or even totally remade?  MOST is the answer to that.  But all the people stand on their soap boxes and spout empirical data taught to them by others who believed others who.....back to the originating theory.   If what tools we have will not support the work at hand then we need better tools that WILL model the objectives. 


Most of my work has been in electromechanical devices and servo controllers so my mind is full of all these arguments already, but if we just accept nothing is free running then explain the universe or the atom?   Like so many churches,  lol here lol there,  we are right they are wrong    blargh!  If you have ANY case where a formula does not work then is that formula correct?  PI is even flawed and it is nearly the most common formula we use daily.  So when people tell you things realize they were taught to believe this and many were.  But if all cases can not be solved using the formula then figure out the better tool.  Don't say it can't work just because your ego is impaled and you can't solve it.  But don't take is so personally, after all you may have been taught an incomplete science to keep you in a box.


And why attack me just for putting down information on flaws in our teaching system.   


Want to see something amazing,  watch a child playing with something totally new to them.  In a very short time they have it mastered,  they know the hows and whys and whens.  They are not full of this's and that's from others and when they are they are limited in what they try.   


So either go happily into paying all your utilities and accepting that is how it is or jump both feet into "pure learning, playing like a child" with your inspirations.  This is how dreams come into reality.   "It can't or I can't" never do.
You claimed to have a working free energy generator.  You lied.  You did not and you don't.  You falsely claim to know how to build a working free energy generator and offer to sell consultations on the construction of such a device for $300. / hour.  That is fraud.  Trying to ride on the coat tails of the faker John Hutchison does not help rehabilitate your reputation that you have destroyed with your lies.  Science is built on evidence, not wishes.

Let's see how much faith you have in your own claims:  Why don't you set a date beyond which you will rely solely on your machine running with no external power source for all of your electricity needs?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 13, 2014, 10:10:43 AM

LOL  i have never claimed to have made such a machine.   Like most here who are serious I have worked on ideas hoping for a self runner.
But of course you have.  A self-running machine would be a working perpetual motion machine.  Are you unclear on what the words:  "self" and "runner" mean?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 13, 2014, 10:12:14 AM

Which?   What claims the only thing I can remember not doing I said I would was make an outline for someone but they quit working on their project.   You are good at making false claims against others is all I can see.
You have claimed to have a QEG that self ran for at least 150 hours.  You have never had such a machine.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 13, 2014, 10:15:05 AM
Thank you Hope,
We will all be looked at as cavemen at some point in time, with our primitive measuring equipment and electronic theory. Hopefully not to far in the future. I Hope
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 13, 2014, 10:15:27 AM
Unlike you I have not made false claims to a perpetual motion machine.  Unlike you I have not raised money to pay for globetrotting trips by building up hopes to help the poor.  What I design works.


MarkE   your attacking me thinking I am HopeGirl??


I have been a member here since what July 2010 and I am Richard Williams not some globetrotter.


AND by forum rules you are not to attack people,  we are all here to contribute ideas  not attack others.   Get a grip on your truth before you break rules.


I imagine you think any one named Clinton is Bill or Hillary too?? 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 13, 2014, 11:42:12 AM

MarkE   your attacking me thinking I am HopeGirl??


I have been a member here since what July 2010 and I am Richard Williams not some globetrotter.


AND by forum rules you are not to attack people,  we are all here to contribute ideas  not attack others.   Get a grip on your truth before you break rules.


I imagine you think any one named Clinton is Bill or Hillary too??
Richard, yes I thought you are the crook HopeGirl. 
We don't have interns flashing underwear here, Bill has other places to be.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 13, 2014, 11:46:33 AM

MarkE: In the same way, as you say  "no one forces you to read my post...", no one forces anyone to contribute to FTW cause. We're all adults and quite capable of making decisions for ourselves. We are all innocent until proven guilty. Same with FTW. Same as Witts. If Witts have something that really works and chose to sell their knowledge through repeated classes, that's their business. Right? There are engineers and others that vouched for the authenticity of Witts O.U devices powering their Armish settlements on YouTube. You can either believe or treat them as loonies. I happen to believe T.T is a true man of faith and is answerable to God for his actions and will leave it as fact he has a O.U device. The fact we can't reproduce it does not mean he's a fraud. He does differently from you and me.
Until this crowd is able to reproduce a working device, bad mouthing is not the solution. Save your time and energy for more worthwhile causes.
cheers,
chrisC
WITTS does not and never has had any working technology such as they have claimed.  FTW has proven the same to be true of themselves.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 13, 2014, 05:21:15 PM
Here are some more thoughts about my QEG 2.0 model:

1)  Core losses and eddy current Lenz drag have been ignored, so that means core losses would show up as a reduction in the power dissipation of both the primary load and primary winding.  I previously estimated core losses at around 900 watts for a CEG putting out something around 10KW, so in my test run results the total output figure would remain the same and a core loss component of about 900 watts would be added and the dissipation for both the primary load and the primary winding would both need to be scaled downward appropriately.

2)  Lenz drag due to eddy currents in the rotor would increase the input torque, at this point by an unknown about.

3)  After some reflection this morning, I believe I improperly employed the arbitrary inductor model for the primary winding of the CEG 2.0 model.  That may be the cause of the parasitic oscillations and the unrealistic behavior.  I'll have to do some more FEMM analyses to generate the data necessary to fix that. 


Pmgr:

Because the coupling coefficient of the primary to secondary goes from a maximum, estimated.95, to a minimum of zero 4 times per rotor revolution.  I suspect power transfer from the primary to the secondary will be quite poor.  Because of that I decided to extract power directly from the primary.  The expect the coupling coefficient modulation is also the source of the frequency doubling you see in the secondary of your simulation.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 13, 2014, 05:28:49 PM
WITTS does not and never has had any working technology such as they have claimed. ....


You speak with incredible arrogance.
cheers,
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 13, 2014, 05:31:45 PM

You speak with incredible arrogance.
cheers,
chrisC
My statement is correct.  Even one time big Timothy Thrapp believer Sterling Allan has been warning people about Timothy Thrapp's scam:

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:World_Improvement_Through_The_Spirit_Ministries

"BUYER BEWARE: "I know people who have given Tim a lot of money and have never gotten anything for it." -- a pillar in the community, Sept. 5, 2012 "

The WITTS site itself is a hoot.  They claim to be responsible for most of modern technology.  If that were so then they would also be responsible for putting it into the hands to the very powers that be that they rail against. 

http://www.witts.ws/about-us/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 13, 2014, 05:33:56 PM
My statement is correct.


Yah, I agree. On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog...
cheers,
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 13, 2014, 05:40:02 PM
Here are some more thoughts about my QEG 2.0 model:

1)  Core losses and eddy current Lenz drag have been ignored, so that means core losses would show up as a reduction
I think you mean increase here.
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in the power dissipation of both the primary load and primary winding.  I previously estimated core losses at around 900 watts for a CEG putting out something around 10KW, so in my test run results the total output figure would remain the same and a core loss component of about 900 watts would be added and the dissipation for both the primary load and the primary winding would both need to be scaled downward appropriately.

2)  Lenz drag due to eddy currents in the rotor would increase the input torque, at this point by an unknown about. 
I think you have worked out the magnetic field strength.  If we also know the materials, then we know the conductivity and can compute the eddy currents and resulting Lorentz forces.
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3)  I now believe I employed the arbitrary inductor model improperly for the primary winding of the CEG 2.0 model.  That may be the cause of the parasitic oscillations and the unrealistic behavior.  I'll have to do some more magnetic analyses to fix that. 
It could also be that the basic behavior is right but that the numerical approximations are not accurate enough.  At least for purposes of diagnosing the problem adding series and shunt resistances as you have already started to do could provide a good deal of insight.
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Pmgr:

Because the coupling coefficient of the primary to secondary goes from a maximum, estimated.95, to a minimum of zero 4 times per rotor revolution.  I suspect power transfer from the primary to the secondary will be quite poor.  Because of that I decided to extract power directly from the primary.  The expect the coupling coefficient modulation is also the source of the frequency doubling you see in the secondary of your simulation.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 13, 2014, 05:52:52 PM

Yah, I agree. On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog...
cheers,
chrisC
Your average canine has a lot better character than many of the charlatans out there such as Timothy Thrapp.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 13, 2014, 06:01:20 PM

I think you mean increase here.


I'm pretty sure I mean decrease.  This touches upon something that has been buggering me for a while now.  "Over-Unity" as well as "Under-Unity" are quite misleading buzz words.  With all factors about a device taken into account any proper efficiency analysis should show that the device operates exactly at unity.  If the COP deviates either way from unity, then the analysis is flawed; something is missing.  That is to say in a proper analysis all input sources are identified and quantified, and all output sinks are identified and quantified.

So my view on the core losses is that for the same input power, core losses would have reduced the power available to be dissipated by the DC resistance of both the primary winding and the load before the power even got that far, because the power has to go through the core first in order to get there.  Just as easily one could say for the same amount of power dissipated in the primary winding and load with core losses added on top, then the input power would have to be adjusted upward to accommodate that increase in the total output power. 

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I think you have worked out the magnetic field strength.  If we also know the materials, then we know the conductivity and can compute the eddy currents and resulting Lorentz forces.It could also be that the basic behavior is right but that the numerical approximations are not accurate enough.  At least for purposes of diagnosing the problem adding series and shunt resistances as you have already started to do could provide a good deal of insight.

Yes, the damping circuitry is a band-aid and will affect the accuracy of the resulting simulation.  Ultimately, I would like to run the simulation without any "stabilizing" additions.

The FEMM analyses took into account the the properties of the M19 core material, although FEMM lacks the facilities to calculate eddy currents created by motion.  So some other application would have to be used to determine the magnitude of those rotor currents and drag forces they create.   

What I missed was to collect data on the saturation current level for the primary winding at various rotor angles and include that data in the arbitrary inductor model.  That's going to require another round of FEMM analyses and the creation of a third look up table to properly implement.

Also, I noticed I really should have run the FEMM analyses for the primary inductance and rotor torque out to primary current of 10 amperes instead of just 4, in order to have sufficient headroom for transient current spikes.  So for now it's one step back...


Pmgr:

Have you considered that the entire secondary of the QEG may be a "Red Herring" created by Timothy Thrapp, in order to misdirect people about where power may be successfully extracted from the device.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 13, 2014, 11:03:12 PM
Well, I did a few more FEMM analyses and found that the saturation current for the QEG primary only varies from 4.5A when the rotor is aligned with a pole to 6.5A when the rotor is aligned in between poles.  So, I set the saturation current level in the arbitrary inductor model for the median value of 5.5A, and all the simulation problems went away.

I was able to remove all the "stabilizing" additions.  The QEG model 2.1 now runs 10 times faster, which is about the same speed the 1.0 version ran at, has exponential build up of current and voltage, has a roughly sinusoidal wave form in the primary, has asymmetrical cogging torque.  I think my tables are working as intended now.

More tests under way...

And I do still need to generate the saturation current vs rotor angle data and create a third table for that.   

I also slowed down the rotor drive to see what would happen

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Date: Tue May 13 17:19:51 2014
Total elapsed time: 42.525 seconds.

RPM 6,000 Load 1k5 Tank 200 Hz

torque: AVG(v(nm))=-21.6878 FROM 0.4 TO 0.9
load_rms_volts: RMS(v(load))=3476.13 FROM 0.4 TO 0.9
load_rms_amps: RMS(i(load))=2.31742 FROM 0.4 TO 0.9
load_avg_va: AVG(v(load)*i(load))=8055.65 FROM 0.4 TO 0.9
load_avg_volts: AVG(v(load))=0.19909 FROM 0.4 TO 0.9
load_avg_amps: AVG(i(load))=0.000132727 FROM 0.4 TO 0.9
coil_avg_va: AVG(84*i(l1)**2)=451.117 FROM 0.4 TO 0.9

13,677 watts input
8,507 watt output
0.624 COP
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 14, 2014, 12:55:23 AM
Ari,

I tried to match your setup, with 30 ohm load, and about 900 watts draw at the motor.  This is what I got. 
I think it's in the neighborhood aye?

Date: Tue May 13 18:38:54 2014
Total elapsed time: 36.147 seconds.

Load 30 Ohms (in series with primary)
Rotor speed 100 RPS
Tank Resonance 200Hz

torque: AVG(v(nm))=-1.2249 FROM 0.3 TO 0.8
load_rms_volts: RMS(v(load))=73.9814 FROM 0.3 TO 0.8
load_rms_amps: RMS(i(load))=2.46605 FROM 0.3 TO 0.8
load_avg_va: AVG(v(load)*i(load))=182.441 FROM 0.3 TO 0.8
load_avg_volts: AVG(v(load))=0.00585677 FROM 0.3 TO 0.8
load_avg_amps: AVG(i(load))=0.000195224 FROM 0.3 TO 0.8
coil_avg_va: AVG(84*i(l1)**2)=510.836 FROM 0.3 TO 0.8

769.7 Watts input to rotor shaft
182.4 Watts dissipated in 30 ohm load, COP 0.237
693.2 Watts dissipated in load and primary winding, COP 0.901

769.7 watts provided by a 85% efficient motor means motor
will draw 905 watts from mains.

Here is image of voltage and current waveforms across the load:
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 14, 2014, 01:22:14 AM
I'm pretty sure I mean decrease.  This touches upon something that has been buggering me for a while now.  "Over-Unity" as well as "Under-Unity" are quite misleading buzz words.  With all factors about a device taken into account any proper efficiency analysis should show that the device operates exactly at unity.  If the COP deviates either way from unity, then the analysis is flawed; something is missing.  That is to say in a proper analysis all input sources are identified and quantified, and all output sinks are identified and quantified.


You're quite right Mr Brown, if all input and outputs + losses are considered everything runs at unity. This only leaves one logical definition for over unity and that is anything with a C.O.P. of over 1.0 is over unity, this can be done as C.O.P. is a function of our input to actual output.

An example of very high C.O.P. devices are wind turbines and solar panels.

An example of a self runner is a solar system with storm shutters or solar position tracking where the shutters or the tracking motor is powered by energy collected by the solar panels themselves. Or a solar powered vehicle even. Self runners already exist.

I believe the holy grail is a machine that can self run 24/7 and output excess power by utilizing an environmental energy input so that the fickle sun and wind become obsolete.

However I don't think the QEG has any such facility for any free environmental energy to be input. Although there are other possibilities but not many people think of the actual mechanism of harnessing extra energy from a given source and set out to do so, most are hell bent on replicating shaky claims in the hope they will be the one to show over unity and save the world.

I wish all the thousands of minds would think in their own way about how energy can be utilized from the environment.

Some see lighting LED's for extended periods as useful, I wish them well but I don't agree, considering our environment is so rich in man made electrical noise LEDs can be lit in a lot of funky ways but OU it isn't and not very useful. If I run a bought from the shop 300 Watt inverter from one 12 volt battery with another next to it the unused battery can excite a coil and light an LED from one battery pole due to the HF noise. Ala Stiffler ect.

When my electric fence was in good shape and had no grass shorts I de energised it and scoped the open wires and ground, I was able to see three or more different frequencies on there. I can pick up the electric fence pulses on my scope from over 50 meters away by scoping the ground and a coil. I'm thinking of a way to calibrate the scope trace when the fence is working well without shorts from branches or breaks, so that I can diagnose the fence's operation from my experiment hut, check for shorts.  ;)

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 14, 2014, 02:02:39 AM
COP and efficiency coefficients generally refer to the useful output divided by the expended input.  Output that is in the form of unused heat is usually considered loss.  For the same sunlight, a solar thermal collector where heat is the useful output is around 75% efficient delivering that heat to the heat transfer fluid, while PV where electricity is the useful output is constrained to about 20% for single layer modules.  For a machine like the QEG the idea is to be a generator.  Anything less than self-running makes it a complicated and noisy heater.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 14, 2014, 04:41:38 AM
One more simple update
Correction: In the video I said the capacitance was 0.125 uF and now is 0.83 uF, but isn't. It was 0.125, and now is 0.083




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akf-DZU1_-o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Akf-DZU1_-o)


Cheers
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 14, 2014, 04:50:47 AM
Ari,

Did you mention the DC resistance of the primary and secondary windings some where?

And is your core the same dimensions as is mentioned in the QEG manual?

Cheers,

Fred
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 14, 2014, 05:02:43 AM
Ari,

Did you mention the DC resistance of the primary and secondary windings some where?

And is your core the same dimensions as is mentioned in the QEG manual?

Cheers,

Fred
Tomorrow afternoon I can check the resistance. I had done that but I don't recall at this moment. The core has the dimensions as is mentioned in the manual. The intention is to get a HV probe and check the voltage across the capacitors.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 14, 2014, 10:36:13 AM
Richard, yes I thought you are the crook HopeGirl. 
We don't have interns flashing underwear here, Bill has other places to be.


When you realize your wrong and you have made mistakes the adult thing to do is to admit it and apologize.  Not make a joke of your mistakes and ignore the consequences. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 14, 2014, 01:06:33 PM

When you realize your wrong and you have made mistakes the adult thing to do is to admit it and apologize.  Not make a joke of your mistakes and ignore the consequences.
Richard, what part of my direct statement that I mistook you for Hope Girl do you not find to be an admission?

I didn't make a joke of my mistake.  I made a joke of your suggestion that I might confuse anyone with the handle Clinton for the ex President or former First Lady.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 14, 2014, 11:22:54 PM
I'm glad to announce QEG SPICE Model 2.1!

It turned out that a third table was unnecessary after all.  I found that the arbitrary inductor model can be used in linear mode, the explanation of how to do the is just missing from the manual.  The solution is easier than I expected. 

So, without further adieu, here's the model:
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 15, 2014, 01:10:40 AM
COP and efficiency coefficients generally refer to the useful output divided by the expended input.  Output that is in the form of unused heat is usually considered loss.  For the same sunlight, a solar thermal collector where heat is the useful output is around 75% efficient delivering that heat to the heat transfer fluid, while PV where electricity is the useful output is constrained to about 20% for single layer modules.  For a machine like the QEG the idea is to be a generator.  Anything less than self-running makes it a complicated and noisy heater.

By expended input you mean input provided by us don't you ? Other wise how would a heat pump go over C.O.P. 1 ? How much energy do we provide to a solar panel ?

If expended input meant all input then C.O.P. 1.0 could never be exceeded period. Would that be true ?

My understanding of C.O.P. which I have stated before is that the C.O.P. = useful output divided by the input provided by us.

If C.O.P. was defined as useful output divided by the entire expended input from all sources then C.O.P. 1.0 could never be exceeded, as before energy can exit as output it must first either enter as input or be stored in the device (which is input) before it can be output.

ergo solar panels output more than is input by us so they are over C.O.P. 1.0 and over unity. Very simple logic and it makes sense. At least to me.

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Using the logic that says solar panels are not O.U. is saying that once a self runner powers itself and there is no input from us then it has no C.O.P. because there is no expended input.

Imagine a mythical self runner that was given a small starting charge 12 months ago and now stores it's own starting energy so that all that is needed is to flick a switch and it starts to output 5 kW. What is it's C.O.P. today after starting ? infinite ?  Would it be O.U. or would it be just like a solar panel in that none of it's output is provided by us ?

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All that matters to us is the amount we input compared to the useful work performed.

However that is defined makes little to no difference the result is the same.

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Solar panels are about 20 % efficient at utilizing the energy provided by the Sun. Not about 20% efficient at utilizing the energy provided by us. The actual input to the solar panel is the (about 20% of the energy that hits the panel) not the 100 % of energy that it is exposed to. The other 80% or so never entered the solar system as active energy so it is not really input, only the about 20% energy input is input.

How can energy that never entered a system be considered input or losses ?

The actual losses in a solar system are part of the 20% or so input, which is not our input anyway.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 15, 2014, 02:06:13 AM
By expended input you mean input provided by us don't you ? Other wise how would a heat pump go over C.O.P. 1 ? How much energy do we provide to a solar panel ?
COP and efficiency are related but very distinct concepts. 

COP is a term almost totally exclusive to heat pumps.  COP refers to the ratio of heat energy moved from one temperature to another versus the amount of useful work that we have to add in order to effect that move.  If we move some quantity of heat:  Q from a reservoir at one temperature to another, then we still theoretically have the same quantity of heat Q.  We haven't used that heat to do anything.  In the ideal case we wouldn't have to add any energy, COP would be a division by zero, and be so large as to be undefined.  A COP of only 1 is very poor performance:  we have to add as much energy as heat we move.

Efficiency is a measure of the amount of useful output power obtained from the input power source.  Efficiency has built into it the presumption that the input is all theoretically useful.  In the case of a solar module efficiency tells us a lot about how much material we need, how much area we need to cover, and how hot the materials will get when exposed to a given irradiance.
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If expended input meant all input then C.O.P. 1.0 could never be exceeded period. Would that be true ?
It would, but for COP it does not.  See above.
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My understanding of C.O.P. which I have stated before is that the C.O.P. = useful output divided by the input provided by us.
That's right.  But except for heat pumps COP is generally a pointless metric.  In your example of a solar module the COP for any module is indefinite.
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If C.O.P. was defined as useful output divided by the entire expended input from all sources then C.O.P. 1.0 could never be exceeded, as before energy can exit as output it must first either enter as input or be stored in the device (which is input) before it can be output.
That's right.  But it is not defined that way.  See above.
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ergo solar panels output more than is input by us so they are over C.O.P. 1.0 and over unity. Very simple logic and it makes sense. At least to me.
COP is not relevant to over unity the way that most people discuss it.  If we used COP > 1 to mean over unity, then any mined fuel that produces more thermal energy than required to extract and refine it would also be over unity.  Since most people talking about over unity are interested in something to replace fossil and nuclear fuels that already have a COP > 1, COP > 1 doesn't tell us much about any prospective replacement.

Efficiency also ultimately has a problem when talking about over unity.  The way that most people discuss over unity is in terms of a device that produces useful output great enough to run itself and provide surplus.  Once such a machine is started it would generate useful output without any useful input.  The efficiency of such a device would be undefined.  Efficiency is a useful metric up to the point that an over unity device is configured as a self-running machine.  The meaningful values for efficiency are:  0 - 100%, and undefined.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 15, 2014, 06:26:31 AM
Here is another take on a heat pump:

You have a big cart that holds a bunch of big metal trays.  Each tray contains burning coal.

You are in a large room.  You have a small motorcycle battery and the big cart has a small drive motor.  You connect the battery and the big cart full of burning coal slowly moves from one side of the room to the other side of the room.

There is your heat pump but you have changed your relative positions on the "temperature elevator" when you look at the energy dynamics.  It's still a heat pump.  Are you supposed to measure the battery energy used to move the cart and compare that to the heat energy in the fire and brimstone and burning coals?  What's the COP?

We know our buddy Aaron pitches a heat pump as an OU device.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 15, 2014, 07:22:17 AM
Tom Valone also stated in an interview on American Anti-Gravity that a heat pump is an OU device.  His position is at odds with elementary physics.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Acca on May 15, 2014, 12:07:22 PM
 To all and  S. Wesley:
Here I have posted a new loopback generator effect that may work to explain the of  Dr.Umberto Stranieri (http://www.youtube.com/user/Umbeby) of Platinum Invests in Spain, who is now in production of  the “loopback” generator, links are at the bottom of this post.. and pics of that production..
I am posting this on the QEG forum because it’s here where it’s most debated…
Putin has now began to increase the price of natural gas to Ukraine and these guys in Kiev need help..
Inventors from Kiev Ukraine, and Gorlovki in late 2013 registered a patent for the invention of the motor-generator, which on load does not slow down your work as usual motors, but rather accelerated.
http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/en_docs/experiments_en.pdf (http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/en_docs/experiments_en.pdf)
http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/en_docs/principle_en.pdf (http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/en_docs/principle_en.pdf)
http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/en_docs/invention_formula_en.pdf (http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/en_docs/invention_formula_en.pdf)
patent in english: http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/docs/wipo_pct_info.pdf (http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/docs/wipo_pct_info.pdf)
patent in russian: http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/docs/patent_description_ua.pdf (http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/docs/patent_description_ua.pdf)
 
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     Due to the non-standard method of generating , and the original design of the motor - generator , electric motor and generator modes are combined in one process, and are inextricably linked. As a result , while connecting the load , the interaction of the magnetic fields of the stator and rotor forms a torque in the direction which coincides with the moment generated by the external drive.
 
     In other words, when the power consumed by a load generator , the rotor of the motor generator begins to accelerate , and thus lowers the power consumption of an external drive .
 
 Important! Two days ago I personally met with Sergey - one of the authors of the patent number 102808 "Method and the motor-generator to generate electricity ." At the moment, the inventors have a demo model , and actively looking for designers who are ready to calculate the sample engine. Need specialists who can conduct a series of development activities on the instructions of inventors to create a working prototype of the device . After creating a prototype it can repeat anyone.
http://generator-motor.info/contacts/ (http://generator-motor.info/contacts/)
http://generator-motor.info/ (http://generator-motor.info/)
http://generator-motor.info/about/ (http://generator-motor.info/about/)
 
With suggestions may be directed to the contact information on the site or to me at «anton.mnko @ pure-energy.info» or on Skype «sermountain«.
 
 To your attention the video experiments , which are clearly visible demonstration model and the testimony of all devices - voltage, current , engine speed before and after the connection of the load :
Motor-generator with an annular winding.
 Patent on the motor-generator, which when connected to the generator load is not slowing down, and vice versa - without requiring accelerated increase the power.

 overview
 Written by: Anton Miroshnichenko
 Date Published: 03/13/2014
 Overview of the patent and a method for producing electricity using the motor-generator with an annular winding.
http://www.pure-energy.info/?p=234 (http://www.pure-energy.info/?p=234)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M92tbG2VOr4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M92tbG2VOr4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFXecIxEqR4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFXecIxEqR4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz_yZ3tMiLY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jz_yZ3tMiLY)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iCCYqIvHzk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iCCYqIvHzk)
http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/docs/2_video_comments_new.pdf (http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/docs/2_video_comments_new.pdf)
 
 
  Here is the loopback generator made by
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M89QnJaPY8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M89QnJaPY8)
here is the web sight:
http://platinum-invests.eu/ (http://platinum-invests.eu/)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aAjmnVO_Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aAjmnVO_Q)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=387ErfGxpaU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=387ErfGxpaU)


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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on May 15, 2014, 04:08:38 PM
COP and efficiency are related but very distinct concepts. 

COP is a term almost totally exclusive to heat pumps.  COP refers to the ratio of heat energy moved from one temperature to another versus the amount of useful work that we have to add in order to effect that move.  If we move some quantity of heat:  Q from a reservoir at one temperature to another, then we still theoretically have the same quantity of heat Q.  We haven't used that heat to do anything.  In the ideal case we wouldn't have to add any energy, COP would be a division by zero, and be so large as to be undefined.  A COP of only 1 is very poor performance:  we have to add as much energy as heat we move.

Efficiency is a measure of the amount of useful output power obtained from the input power source.  Efficiency has built into it the presumption that the input is all theoretically useful.  In the case of a solar module efficiency tells us a lot about how much material we need, how much area we need to cover, and how hot the materials will get when exposed to a given irradiance.It would, but for COP it does not.  See above.That's right.  But except for heat pumps COP is generally a pointless metric.  In your example of a solar module the COP for any module is indefinite.That's right.  But it is not defined that way.  See above.COP is not relevant to over unity the way that most people discuss it.  If we used COP > 1 to mean over unity, then any mined fuel that produces more thermal energy than required to extract and refine it would also be over unity.  Since most people talking about over unity are interested in something to replace fossil and nuclear fuels that already have a COP > 1, COP > 1 doesn't tell us much about any prospective replacement.

Efficiency also ultimately has a problem when talking about over unity.  The way that most people discuss over unity is in terms of a device that produces useful output great enough to run itself and provide surplus.  Once such a machine is started it would generate useful output without any useful input.  The efficiency of such a device would be undefined.  Efficiency is a useful metric up to the point that an over unity device is configured as a self-running machine.  The meaningful values for efficiency are:  0 - 100%, and undefined.
Hi! I've just discover your discussion and here what I have just posted as comment to a Robert Murray video yesterday and today in YouTube:

Is Free Energy Possible : http://youtu.be/q2VDdkolU1U (http://Is Free Energy Possible : http://youtu.be/q2VDdkolU1U)

To Robert Murray-Smith:

No, it is of course related but not "necessary" the same.

Q anyway is the heat we provide, if you use this ratio "Q/W", and it is NOT the same than the energy "taken in the reservoir"; why? Because the normally heat loses of the compressor are for most of the part used and added to, what we should label "Q-out". So "Q-out" always > "Q-in".

But, COP is here for FINANCIAL reason fondamentally, this is what everybody non-professional in the domain miss. E.g., win-turbines, solar panels, hydrau-electric power plants are all of INFINITE COP.

Regarding what is "Free Energy", I would say that partial "free energy systems" are all those of COP ] 1.00 ; infinite [, and true ones when COP = infinite. But is indeed only based on the viewpoint of THE ENERGY COST, while we use in engineering other kind of "COPs" which take care of the costs of the installation, of the financial of the maintenance, reduced to the year and kWh produced.

This last is for me THE REAL ONE, the real interesting and final COP; why again? Because it permits us to really compare different systems respect to the financial point of view: few systems could be cheap to construct, use, finance and having poor overunity COP but still good for poor people, and for those who has financial means, skills for, etc., more costly systems at the beginning may be much more interesting in the long run and in term of $/kWh/year (you know solar panels and wins turbines doesn't last for ever and need maintenance in industrial power plants... but heat pumps too, even if not infinite COP.).

Of course, COPs has few to have with "PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY" which are, theoretically, ALWAYS underunity at the scale of the universe but may be considered overunity if we restrain our point of view to a specific part of the universe (as Robert very well illustrates in his vid).

Wishing it could help.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 15, 2014, 05:20:58 PM
Mr. Murray-Smith restated much of what was in my post.  He states as I have that the COP for things such as petrol fuel, solar energy, wind, etc is far greater than 1.  When one looks at things that way it brings about a couple of implications.  The one that I pointed out is that using COP > 1 as a criteria for a new and better energy source is very dubious since the energy sources that we would like to improve upon already have such a COP. 

In the search for an energy source that would be considered over unity in the way that most people use the term, efficiency should be the guide. When and if the apparent efficiency takes that elusive jump from just under 100% to an indefinite value, then we've hit the OU jackpot.  If someone were to later determine that we actually have an input energy source to the machine, such as hypothetically ZPE, and one could find a way to measure the input then the apparent efficiency value would fall below 100%.





Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on May 15, 2014, 05:42:15 PM
Robert is mistaking about fossils fuel COP > 1 because we pay for.

At the extreme viewpoint we would be allow to say that the person who would have petrol oil spontaneously from ground in his garden he/she would have free energy while using a fuel turbine able to convert this oil in electric or heat power for his/her house, through a generator; but of course it would be not necessarily clean energy.

In the same vane we shall say that a wood heater for the one live in a forest, not considering the cost of one's time, is a "free energy device".

COP are only related to a ratio between USEFULL ENERGY under COSTLY ENERGY; any other idea comes from non-professional of the domain who have never practiced nor studied the domain and have spread misconceptions about and much confusion. Even Ph. D. often make the same mistake but an engineer in an energetic engineering office should not.

Otherwise, I am fully agree with the PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY viewpoint.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Paul-R on May 15, 2014, 06:06:25 PM
Tom Valone also stated in an interview on American Anti-Gravity that a heat pump is an OU device.  His position is at odds with elementary physics.
It is a matter of definition.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on May 15, 2014, 06:36:49 PM
If you look closely the WITTS Demo by T. Thrapp shows, that the motor does NOT slow down
when the screws in the bulbs... at minute 7:30
This is the best evidence for a fake...the motor speed
should change !
So the bulbs are just powered by the grid and not the unit...

The cameraman also asked this and then see, what Thrapp says and has some
kind of excuses...
Well I did not hear it slow down... and I watched it several times...
At this huge load the motor
should already slow down, when he only screws in 1 light bulb....

Also the QED circuit digramm does not include the dc rectifier bridge, what is
listed in the parts list, so it is probably a wrong circuit diagramm and can´t work this way...
So how would they drive the DC motor with AC then ??

Don´t fall for this scam until they will show their own unit really selfpowered...

Regards, Stefan.


No my friend  Stefan It is NOT the case at this time. You making wrong assumption in regards to power equation. Where  components are brought to your particular envisioned parameters.
You might fight over QED.                                     I'm talking about Russian  guy and  Witts


fluctuation will not happened   
if  current produced by the generator is t strong enough  for actual and much stronger load  than the one that is connected to the generator.


The same story is if you switch on in your house, all of the light bulbs instead of one, or regular motor  that is lower in power , than your grid  on demand current.




In  2  motor devices  or motor with balance wheel
Although  the mechanism  of  electric current production  is not much clear and it does not make much sense to  one skilled in science the important is to mention
Perpetual Motion


Every mechanism goes from
-enough  of power  delivery for  motion
to
- enough of power delivery for motion with increased load
to
 power delivery= maximum load to be able to  withhold.
than we will see "perpetual motion""(PM)" with the minimum  losses compensated by external energy.
If that energy of 2 motor configuration under the load of 2000W is compensated by any of unknown mechanisms  Perpetual Motion  PM will be sustained.
At that Point  "(PM)" for us will look like PM till the source of energy compensation is found and described.
In one of concepts there is video showing Balance wheel to increase mechanical motion acting  as  energy storage for period of time where there is consumption of energy while waiting for compensation.


Again my  example with  15 of 15 years old girls pushing small  car to speed.
The vector of force is summary of all of 15  girls.  divided by 15= 1/15 per girl.


After a while there is a need  for one girl to  compensate and still accelerate.
After a while there is a need for one finger of the girl to compensate a losses
And acceleration is inversely proportional to the force in time.




I have options:
- to stay with Colman project
- to go back to Lithuania experiment
- to build 2 motor  configuration with or without success.
- to contact the people from Russian area and try convince them or try to buy working device.
 so for now I'm staying at the course of Colman and possibly Lithuania Experiment.


 So far I'm in access to EDXRF to find accurate and precise periodic table components of any given specimen from Sodium to Uranium.
 Scintillators and HPGe portable and  fixed based on LN cooling for  Any decay monitoring and measurement and acquire data  of spectrum in qualitative and quantitative    measurement and high level professional software traceable to the bureau.
 
That  all above gives me  the tools to see any possible transmutation, or  decay if one is present :) :) in spectrum from X-ray to Gamma as well as particles ( mass)activity as well.
I do not rush.
Not I do, care to be famous or beneficiary of any kind.
And that is me  differing  a lot  from may of  others.










 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on May 15, 2014, 06:52:41 PM
It is a matter of definition.
Indeed, like my countryhood philosopher Voltaire used to say (approximate translation): "if you want to discuss with me then define your term so that we could understand each other!".

But definitions have purposes. If we have create this COP in our heat-pump engineering offices, it is to focus on the right target. That why we have other kind of COP caring on financial investment costs and maintenance costs that we have to take in account to know the real performance of the whole system.

Heat pump ARE indeed O.U. but in term of COP, NOT in term of PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY!  And unless you guys you start to make the difference you will stay in confusion about :/

Regards.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: centraflow on May 15, 2014, 07:05:37 PM
@ Acca and all


Platinum investments is 20min from me here in Valencia, they are a public floated company and seem to be government backed. Their main business is in industrial waste processing, be it radioactive or typical household waste. They use a system of plasma in a reactor and from the waste produce fuel/energy which is resold again.


I have been trying to have a vist to them to see for myself these generators (they are expensive), but as of yet I have not had a reply to my e-mail, I have heard that scientists are not welcome from one source, so I am not holding my breath, and for sure if I did get an invite it would be without testing equipment.


I must say that I like the hydralic motor idea of driving the generator, this in itself is an energy saver (huge torque for little input).


The batteries I would presume are just to start the hydralic pump until the generator is up to speed.


The generator itself is anyones guess at the moment, though a lot can be seen from the videos and pic's.


regards


Mike 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 15, 2014, 07:35:10 PM
"I must say that I like the hydralic motor idea of driving the generator, this in itself is an energy saver (huge torque for little input)." that is incorrect; hydraulics don't save energy. Agood electric motor can get >95% efficiency, better than a hydraulic system.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 15, 2014, 07:40:49 PM
Deleted.........Double post

Gravock
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 15, 2014, 07:43:09 PM

When you realize your wrong and you have made mistakes the adult thing to do is to admit it and apologize.  Not make a joke of your mistakes and ignore the consequences.

It appears MarkE has a bad habit of wrongly assuming due to his/her own pre-conceived ideas which are based on false-hoods.  He/She likes to condemn before investigating.  Some wish to remain willfully ignorant, so I wouldn't take it personally.

Gravock
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 15, 2014, 09:32:41 PM
Robert is mistaking about fossils fuel COP > 1 because we pay for.
No he is correct.  The amount of energy that we supply from well to wheel is less than the petrol fuel supplies.  The COP is therefore greater than 1.
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At the extreme viewpoint we would be allow to say that the person who would have petrol oil spontaneously from ground in his garden he/she would have free energy while using a fuel turbine able to convert this oil in electric or heat power for his/her house, through a generator; but of course it would be not necessarily clean energy.
My yard, your yard, some oil field in Nigeria, it doesn't matter where the oil starts.  What matters is how much energy we get out versus how much we supply
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In the same vane we shall say that a wood heater for the one live in a forest, not considering the cost of one's time, is a "free energy device".
Slow down there, this is the whole point:  COP > 1 does not mean over unity.
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COP are only related to a ratio between USEFULL ENERGY under COSTLY ENERGY; any other idea comes from non-professional of the domain who have never practiced nor studied the domain and have spread misconceptions about and much confusion. Even Ph. D. often make the same mistake but an engineer in an energetic engineering office should not.
Here in the USA, colleges teach COP means:  Heat moved divided by the useful energy consumed to move it.
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Otherwise, I am fully agree with the PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY viewpoint.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 15, 2014, 11:23:39 PM
Mr. Murray-Smith restated much of what was in my post.  He states as I have that the COP for things such as petrol fuel, solar energy, wind, etc is far greater than 1.  When one looks at things that way it brings about a couple of implications.  The one that I pointed out is that using COP > 1 as a criteria for a new and better energy source is very dubious since the energy sources that we would like to improve upon already have such a COP. 

In the search for an energy source that would be considered over unity in the way that most people use the term, efficiency should be the guide. When and if the apparent efficiency takes that elusive jump from just under 100% to an indefinite value, then we've hit the OU jackpot.  If someone were to later determine that we actually have an input energy source to the machine, such as hypothetically ZPE, and one could find a way to measure the input then the apparent efficiency value would fall below 100%.

Looking at the bolded parts of the second paragraph. (my bold)

But wouldn't it then be the case that the device was never OU ?

And also that OU is never a permanent situation, and is only a quasi state until the extra input is identified and quantified ( which I have already stated as another way of looking at it ) which means OU is not applicable to describe any actual permanent situation or state as we all know something can not come from nothing so all of the output is at some point part of the input always.

I'm ok with whatever definition but we should all know what each other means when they claim OU or discuss it. For me OU means more output energy then is input by us no matter if the extra energy source is known or not. This gives OU a legitimate meaning. Not just a transient quasi meaning.

Poynt99 has a document on it on the overunity.com site.

If C.O.P. over 1.0 is not OU and if we accept that something cannot come from nothing then what exactly is the actual real lasting meaning for OU ? Not just the definition that only lasts while we are ignorant of the actual extra input, then when we identify and quantify the source of the extra input it is no longer that OU. It's more or less saying that OU is a statement of ignorance , which I am ok with as well as long as I know what people mean by the term OU.

People can give whatever meaning they want for terms but if they want others to understand them they need to define the contentious terms.

If we didn't get more out of fossil fuels than what we put in then we would be mad to do it.

Picking up a piece of wood and burning it for heat is OU, depending on how much energy you expend doing it. Same as picking and eating a banana.

Cheers

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 16, 2014, 12:03:38 AM
Looking at the bolded parts of the second paragraph. (my bold)

But wouldn't it then be the case that the device was never OU ?
If a device is OU, it must have an efficiency of over 100%.  Any efficiency over 100% is undefined as net output is possible with no input, the exact thing that we want from OU.  Mr. Murray-Smith's point is that it doesn't matter whether or not some yet to be discovered energy source is OU or a previously unidentified energy source.  If the source has the properties of inexhaustibility, and very low, ideally zero, operating cost then that energy source has the properties that we want from something that is OU.
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And also that OU is never a permanent situation, and is only a quasi state until the extra input is identified and quantified ( which I have already stated as another way of looking at it ) which means OU is not applicable to describe any actual permanent situation or state as we all know something can not come from nothing so all of the output is at some point part of the input always.
That is a reasonable enough assumption.  It leads to more or less two paths that I can see:  Either declare that searching for OU is a futile endeavor, or simply allowing that whatever is ultimately determined, OU is a convenient term to describe the properties of the kind of desirable new energy source that we would like to find.
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I'm ok with whatever definition but we should all know what each other means when they claim OU or discuss it. For me OU means more output energy then is input by us no matter if the extra energy source is known or not. This gives OU a legitimate meaning. Not just a transient quasi meaning.
Unfortunately, it removes the distinction between what we want:  plentiful, cheap, clean new energy source(s) and things we would rather get past such as fossil fuels.  Personally, I do not object to the idea that if anything ever appears OU that it ultimately will almost certainly to be proven otherwise.
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Poynt99 has a document on it on the overunity.com site.
Do you mean some other overunity site than this one?
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If C.O.P. over 1.0 is not OU and if we accept that something cannot come from nothing then what exactly is the actual real lasting meaning for OU ? Not just the definition that only lasts while we are ignorant of the actual extra input, then when we identify and quantify the source of the extra input it is no longer that OU. It's more or less saying that OU is a statement of ignorance , which I am ok with as well as long as I know what people mean by the term OU.
I think that there are many people who would disagree with us about the transient nature of anything that might appear OU staying that way.  One could qualify the term and say "apparent OU".  I do not think that is necessary and I don't think it adds much in the way of clarity.  It could inspire flame wars between camps who think that the First Law is violable and those who don't.  If a rich relative pays all my bills, then from my point of view everything in the world is free.
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People can give whatever meaning they want for terms but if they want others to understand them they need to define the contentious terms.
COP and efficiency are both well defined.  "Free energy" has many interpretations.  In my experience:  OU is commonly understood to mean an energy source that appears to produce more than it consumes.  Some might object to the "appears" qualifier.  I don't see any value in quibbling about that until such a day as something that seems like a working OU machine appears on the scene.
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If we didn't get more out of fossil fuels than what we put in then we would be mad to do it.
Mostly, yes, but there are exceptions.  Consider something like rocket fuel.  We put a lot more energy into making the rocket fuel then we get out of it.  The form of the fuel, its energy density, power density, etc matter more than the efficiency.
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Picking up a piece of wood and burning it for heat is OU, depending on how much energy you expend doing it. Same as picking and eating a banana.
I think you will find common agreement that each has a COP > 1.  I think that only a small minority would call either is OU.
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Cheers
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: centraflow on May 16, 2014, 01:04:31 AM
"I must say that I like the hydralic motor idea of driving the generator, this in itself is an energy saver (huge torque for little input)." that is incorrect; hydraulics don't save energy. Agood electric motor can get >95% efficiency, better than a hydraulic system.


You did not read what I said (huge torque for little input) I never mentioned efficiency, you did, and yes you can get electric motors up to 95%, but for the same torque NO, they will draw huge currents in a "direct drive", hydralics are the best variable torque direct drive that you can get.


regards


Mike 8)







Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: NoBull on May 16, 2014, 01:22:27 AM
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Q: "A magnet is pulled out of a shorted superconducting aircoil.  Does the magnitude of the final current induced in that coil depend on how quickly the magnet is pulled out ?".
The answer is yes...

@MarkE

I am sorry but you are wrong.


I talked to Professor John Belcher (http://web.mit.edu/physics/people/faculty/belcher_john.html) from MIT Department of Physics and his answer to this question was "no".

Inspired by his statements I made a small experiment with a tiny NdFeB cylindrical magnet (OD 3mm, TH 4mm) to avoid flux pinning and a $100 superconducting SrOCaBiCuP hollow tube (model CST-15) from CAN Superconductors.
http://shop.can-superconductors.com/category.php?id_category=12


I "froze" the superconducting tube with LN while the magnet was inside it.  The magnet was superglued to a plastic rod (positioned on tube's axis) and I removed it from the superconducting tube with different speeds to a large distance (2m).
The final magnetic flux density (measured by a Hall probe when the magnet was away) inside and near the superconducting tube was always the same regardless of the speed and path that the magnet took during its removal ...and thus the final current flowing in the tube must have been the same, too.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 16, 2014, 01:40:09 AM
Did you try to measure the attraction force that the SC ring exerted on the departing magnet as a function of distance?
If "yes", did the F(d) function varied with speed of the magnet?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: NoBull on May 16, 2014, 01:46:33 AM
Sorry, I did not - it was just a quick mock-up with a loaned superconducting tube that I had to return before the lab closed.  I had no time for time-consuming plots of force vs. distance.
However I can write that the force felt constant to my hand and it seemed to be independent of magnet's speed.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 16, 2014, 03:40:36 AM
The answer is yes...


@MarkE

I am sorry but you are wrong.
Yes the mistake that I made and acknowledged further in the thread is that I failed to account for the integration.  Faster speed yields a higher di/dt, but T is proportionally smaller.
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I talked to Professor John Belcher (http://web.mit.edu/physics/people/faculty/belcher_john.html) from MIT Department of Physics and his answer to this question was "no".

Inspired by his statements I made a small experiment with a tiny NdFeB cylindrical magnet (OD 3mm, TH 4mm) to avoid flux pinning and a $100 superconducting SrOCaBiCuP hollow tube (model CST-15) from CAN Superconductors.
http://shop.can-superconductors.com/category.php?id_category=12


I "froze" the superconducting tube with LN while the magnet was inside it.  The magnet was superglued to a plastic rod (positioned on tube's axis) and I removed it from the superconducting tube with different speeds to a large distance (2m).
The final magnetic flux density (measured by a Hall probe when the magnet was away) inside and near the superconducting tube was always the same regardless of the speed and path that the magnet took during its removal ...and thus the final current flowing in the tube must have been the same, too.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Acca on May 16, 2014, 05:04:47 AM
 To all:
 
I have just posted another loopback power generator here on the QEG thread as to get  “free energy” experts to express more opinions why this works as well as my  previous post of mine was ignored  ( ??  Maybe it’s possible that the free energy experts are gagging as they just are too mute to answer.. 
 
Well !!! lost your  enthusiasim to discredit this also ??? 
 
I am sick of the petty fighting here !! Grow up !! unless your are a kid here…
 
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To memoryman thanks !!
here is one for you.. it’s “hydraulic” also….
 
 
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To: centraflow / Mike,
thanks for the great comment !!
 
You will have to get to Valencia and get specifics on these generators as the fate of the world will depend on making these power generators by the millions, it will solve human problem of over population..  and I am NOT making light of this situation.. I have cousins in Spain also.. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Bg3cfdnCM&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Bg3cfdnCM&feature=youtu.be)
 
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Thanks Sterling, A. for this post..

http://pesn.com/2014/05/15/9602500_FOUND--350kVA-QMoGen_by_AG-Energies-India-Pvt-Ltd/ (http://pesn.com/2014/05/15/9602500_FOUND--350kVA-QMoGen_by_AG-Energies-India-Pvt-Ltd/)
 
AG Energies India Pvt Ltd is an Indian company, which produces pollution free hydraulic cylinder power generator, is an alternate energy which uses less fuel requires minimum space for installation at an attractive price.[/color]
 [/color]
This pollution free hydraulic cylinder power generator, for the first time in history, a hydraulic cylinder is being used for obtaining a circular or rotary motion, which can be obtained either vertically or horizontally, depending upon the configuration of the machine.[/color]
 
This Invention is about an alternate power generating unit which is Fuel Less, Cost Effective & Pollution Free. It is very effective way of Generating Energy which does not consume any fuel and is Pollution free, as compared to the present conventional methods of generating energy, which are very expensive and at the same time pollute the atmosphere. There may be several methods of generating power; however none of these are not cost effective, as this newly developed Power Generating Unit. This Invention is a boon for the rural segment in particular and remote areas, such as hilly regions where installation is very difficult.[/color]
 
Acca…..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 16, 2014, 06:35:41 AM
Wow that looks like real generating equipment!  It looks to me like some big pieces were connected together.

Do you have test data to back up your claim?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 16, 2014, 06:44:06 AM
They have their story that they tell which includes selling working units.  Let's hear from some of the happy customers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 16, 2014, 07:02:16 AM
Richard, what part of my direct statement that I mistook you for Hope Girl do you not find to be an admission?

I didn't make a joke of my mistake.  I made a joke of your suggestion that I might confuse anyone with the handle Clinton for the ex President or former First Lady.


What part of your personality do you find missing?   You have a psychopathic denied of social injustice and an ego beyond any picture of a healthy being.   You curt venues are just denials of your ability to fit in without acting well beyond your abilities.  Being here along time does not give you card blanch authority, but of course you will just be yet kurt again and move along.   Get some help of a professional nature, like your ex said.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 16, 2014, 07:37:48 AM

What part of your personality do you find missing?   You have a psychopathic denied of social injustice and an ego beyond any picture of a healthy being.   You curt venues are just denials of your ability to fit in without acting well beyond your abilities.  Being here along time does not give you card blanch authority, but of course you will just be yet kurt again and move along.   Get some help of a professional nature, like your ex said.

MarkE hasn't been here a long time, as his high post count would otherwise suggest.  His registration to this forum was on January 9, of 2014.  However, his high post count (2,149) in such a very short period of time (less than 5 months) is highly reflective of his true nature for being here.  He is trolling this forum, and a bad troll at that, as evidence by the high volume and poor quality of his posts.  You will find in many of his posts a concept called, "argument by assertion (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion)".  Argument by assertion is the logical fallacy where someone tries to argue a point by merely asserting that it is true, regardless of contradiction.  He also uses a technique called "psychological projection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)", which is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.

Gravock
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 16, 2014, 08:59:34 AM

What part of your personality do you find missing?   You have a psychopathic denied of social injustice and an ego beyond any picture of a healthy being.   You curt venues are just denials of your ability to fit in without acting well beyond your abilities.  Being here along time does not give you card blanch authority, but of course you will just be yet kurt again and move along.   Get some help of a professional nature, like your ex said.
A phony psychiatric workup topped with a made up claim from an ex that doesn't exist is not impressive.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 16, 2014, 09:02:21 AM
MarkE hasn't been here a long time, as his high post count would otherwise suggest.  His registration to this forum was on January 9, of 2014.  However, his high post count (2,149) in such a very short period of time (less than 5 months) is highly reflective of his true nature for being here.  He is trolling this forum, and a bad troll at that, as evidence by the high volume and poor quality of his posts.  You will find in many of his posts a concept called, "argument by assertion (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion)".  Argument by assertion is the logical fallacy where someone tries to argue a point by merely asserting that it is true, regardless of contradiction.  He also uses a technique called "psychological projection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)", which is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.

Gravock
You are free to counter with valid arguments against any arguments of mine you disagree with, including any that you think are based on logical fallacies.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on May 16, 2014, 09:53:07 AM
No he is correct.  The amount of energy that we supply from well to wheel is less than the petrol fuel supplies.  The COP is therefore greater than 1.My yard, your yard, some oil field in Nigeria, it doesn't matter where the oil starts.  What matters is how much energy we get out versus how much we supply Slow down there, this is the whole point:  COP > 1 does not mean over unity.Here in the USA, colleges teach COP means:  Heat moved divided by the useful energy consumed to move it.
So, if you have so great misconceptions there, I will not hire you guys in my enterprises.

I had already this kind of discussion with the best scientists in France on the most popular but very rigourous one of Futura-Science and they recognised their confusion.

Anyway, the term "onvernuty": comes historically to design COPs. Then it has been used with all this great confusion of you all there between overunity COPs and hypothetical ABSOLUTE PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY (respect to the whole universe), or "RELATIVE" overunity PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY (respect to a specific, restrained, part of the universe).

But just continue your way if you like so! I no more care and said what I had to say. It is not me who will in go in the wrong direction. I may teach your teachers there anyway...

Cheers and bye for now.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 16, 2014, 09:59:53 AM
MarkE hasn't been here a long time, as his high post count would otherwise suggest.  His registration to this forum was on January 9, of 2014.  However, his high post count (2,149) in such a very short period of time (less than 5 months) is highly reflective of his true nature for being here.  He is trolling this forum, and a bad troll at that, as evidence by the high volume and poor quality of his posts.  You will find in many of his posts a concept called, "argument by assertion (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion)".  Argument by assertion is the logical fallacy where someone tries to argue a point by merely asserting that it is true, regardless of contradiction.  He also uses a technique called "psychological projection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)", which is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.

Gravock

One can only wonder what sort of revelations will
manifest in the future.  What you're suggesting is
certainly within the realm of possibility.  The internet
has made possible the evolution of numerous species
of "Forum Men" who exhibit unusual traits.  Not to
mention that we're presently living in The Age of The
Lie and Disinformation for Fun and Profit...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on May 16, 2014, 10:10:48 AM
If a device is OU, it must have an efficiency of over 100%.  Any efficiency over 100% is undefined as net output is possible with no input, the exact thing that we want from OU.  Mr. Murray-Smith's point is that it doesn't matter whether or not some yet to be discovered energy source is OU or a previously unidentified energy source.  If the source has the properties of inexhaustibility, and very low, ideally zero, operating cost then that energy source has the properties that we want from something that is OU.That is a reasonable enough assumption.  It leads to more or less two paths that I can see:  Either declare that searching for OU is a futile endeavor, or simply allowing that whatever is ultimately determined, OU is a convenient term to describe the properties of the kind of desirable new energy source that we would like to find.Unfortunately, it removes the distinction between what we want:  plentiful, cheap, clean new energy source(s) and things we would rather get past such as fossil fuels.  Personally, I do not object to the idea that if anything ever appears OU that it ultimately will almost certainly to be proven otherwise.Do you mean some other overunity site than this one?I think that there are many people who would disagree with us about the transient nature of anything that might appear OU staying that way.  One could qualify the term and say "apparent OU".  I do not think that is necessary and I don't think it adds much in the way of clarity.  It could inspire flame wars between camps who think that the First Law is violable and those who don't.  If a rich relative pays all my bills, then from my point of view everything in the world is free.COP and efficiency are both well defined.  "Free energy" has many interpretations.  In my experience:  OU is commonly understood to mean an energy source that appears to produce more than it consumes.  Some might object to the "appears" qualifier.  I don't see any value in quibbling about that until such a day as something that seems like a working OU machine appears on the scene.Mostly, yes, but there are exceptions.  Consider something like rocket fuel.  We put a lot more energy into making the rocket fuel then we get out of it.  The form of the fuel, its energy density, power density, etc matter more than the efficiency.I think you will find common agreement that each has a COP > 1.  I think that only a small minority would call either is OU.
Saying an device is "OU" or "overunity" means NOTHING in itselt; that is the basic error.

To be correct, one has to precise what one qualifies of "OU" or "overunity": is that a COP or it that a PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY? !

Then, if it is COP, needs to use the right and "on purpose" definition for industrial view.

Then, if PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY, needs to specify THE BOUNDARIES OF THE SYSTEM, and WHICH PARTS OF THE UNIVERSE WE ALLOW US TO CONSIDER.

Unless these specifications are made, nobody knows of what he or she is talking about.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on May 16, 2014, 10:20:45 AM
Hi, many of us confound COP and Overunity, I define Overunity as an apparatus that violate the conservation law (first and second) and can create or destroy energy.
Also efficiency is different from COP, you can have a COP of 10 but an overall efficiency of 20% in the end you will get a COP=2 (10*0.2).
So LENR, solar, RF harnessing are not truly OU device since they doesn't create or cohere energy out of nothing.
Also if possible to create energy, the exact reverse must be true (destruction of energy).

Edit: You know about the Dark energy ? She is OU according to our theory.
Our universe expand, but the energy density for a given volume stay exactly the same, so the overall energy increase perpetually, this an example of a truly overunity system which involve creation of energy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on May 16, 2014, 10:34:38 AM
Hi, many of us confound COP and Overunity, I define Overunity as an apparatus that violate the conservation law (first and second) and can create or destroy energy.
Also efficiency is different from COP, you can have a COP of 10 but an overall efficiency of 20% in the end you will get a COP=2 (10*0.2).
So LENR, solar, RF harnessing are not truly OU device since they doesn't create or cohere energy out of nothing.
Also if possible to create energy, the exact reverse must be true (destruction of energy).

Edit: You know about the Dark energy ? She is OU according to our theory.
Our universe expand, but the energy density for a given volume stay exactly the same, so the overall energy increase perpetually, this an example of a truly overunity system which involve creation of energy.
A COP > 1.0 is overunity: the word itself means what it means,  it is a mathematical quality.

A PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY > 1 would be overunity too.

That is why we should always specify of which overunity we are talking about. (And as concerne (PHYSICAL) EFFICIENCY, one should precise which part of the universe one is taking in account, if one would talk about AN ABSOLUTE EFFICIENCY or RELATIVE EFFICIENCY.)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 16, 2014, 10:50:55 AM
Saying an device is "OU" or "overunity" means NOTHING in itselt; that is the basic error.

To be correct, one has to precise what one qualifies of "OU" or "overunity": is that a COP or it that a PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY? !

Then, if it is COP, needs to use the right and "on purpose" definition for industrial view.

Then, if PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY, needs to specify THE BOUNDARIES OF THE SYSTEM, and WHICH PARTS OF THE UNIVERSE WE ALLOW US TO CONSIDER.

Unless these specifications are made, nobody knows of what he or she is talking about.
Pretty much all the considerations you raise have been covered in the discussion with FarmHand.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 16, 2014, 10:53:45 AM
Hi, many of us confound COP and Overunity, I define Overunity as an apparatus that violate the conservation law (first and second) and can create or destroy energy.
Also efficiency is different from COP, you can have a COP of 10 but an overall efficiency of 20% in the end you will get a COP=2 (10*0.2).
So LENR, solar, RF harnessing are not truly OU device since they doesn't create or cohere energy out of nothing.
Also if possible to create energy, the exact reverse must be true (destruction of energy).

Edit: You know about the Dark energy ? She is OU according to our theory.
Our universe expand, but the energy density for a given volume stay exactly the same, so the overall energy increase perpetually, this an example of a truly overunity system which involve creation of energy.
I would only qualify that as an apparatus that appears to violate the laws of thermodynamics.  If it were to be a First Law violation, then most probably we wouldn't be recognizing the energy source.  If it were a Second Law violation, then Dr. Sheehan would be correct, and the Second Law: "would be true, except when it isn't".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: centraflow on May 16, 2014, 11:00:40 AM
MarkE hasn't been here a long time, as his high post count would otherwise suggest.  His registration to this forum was on January 9, of 2014.  However, his high post count (2,149) in such a very short period of time (less than 5 months) is highly reflective of his true nature for being here.  He is trolling this forum, and a bad troll at that, as evidence by the high volume and poor quality of his posts.  You will find in many of his posts a concept called, "argument by assertion (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Argument_by_assertion)".  Argument by assertion is the logical fallacy where someone tries to argue a point by merely asserting that it is true, regardless of contradiction.  He also uses a technique called "psychological projection (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection)", which is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.

Gravock


Spot on, there are too many doing the same thing, love your analysis


regards


Mike 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 16, 2014, 02:58:18 PM
To centraflow: I did read what you said.
Using an appropriate transmission, you can get almost any torque you want using a non-hydraulic motor. Only mentioning current as input to an electric motor is meaningless.
I watched that video; so similar to most OU motor/generator claims. No meaningful data. Obsession with showing RPMs. Large flywheel. Flickering meters. Lights as a load. No evidence of looping. Here is a question to consider for ALL OU systems: given that every stage in the system can be analysed for efficiency, and total system efficiency is a product of all individual efficiencies, why is the exact point that OU occurs is never identified?
Re: MarkE. I too found him unable/unwilling to just admit that he was wrong. Coming straight out and saying 'I was wrong; I apologise' can be a big deal to others. When (not if) I screw up, I'll say so. Which one of you all is qualified to give an opinion on Mark's mental health?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 16, 2014, 04:10:28 PM
Yes the mistake that I made and acknowledged further in the thread is that I failed to account for the integration.  Faster speed yields a higher di/dt, but T is proportionally smaller.

Can you provide a reference link or a reply # to where you acknowledged your mistake further in the thread, instead of just asserting as you normally do?  I'm unable to find this acknowledgement on your part, however I may have over looked it.

Thanks,

Gravock 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: centraflow on May 16, 2014, 04:31:58 PM
To centraflow: I did read what you said.
Using an appropriate transmission, you can get almost any torque you want using a non-hydraulic motor. Only mentioning current as input to an electric motor is meaningless.
I watched that video; so similar to most OU motor/generator claims. No meaningful data. Obsession with showing RPMs. Large flywheel. Flickering meters. Lights as a load. No evidence of looping. Here is a question to consider for ALL OU systems: given that every stage in the system can be analysed for efficiency, and total system efficiency is a product of all individual efficiencies, why is the exact point that OU occurs is never identified?
Re: MarkE. I too found him unable/unwilling to just admit that he was wrong. Coming straight out and saying 'I was wrong; I apologise' can be a big deal to others. When (not if) I screw up, I'll say so. Which one of you all is qualified to give an opinion on Mark's mental health?


See the highlighted above, is not a hydraulic transmission "appropriate"? If the voltage input is constant, then any reduction in current input would result in a lower power input.


The flywheel as you call it is alluminium and holds the magnets, it is an external rotor, I pressume because they needed the space to mount the three phase heavy gauge coils which generate the power to drive the hydralic pump. The white, I presume off the shelf PM generator, is creating the final output. The design is interesting as the loop is in the drive, not from the final output generator, this leaves open several benifits of manipulating the power to the hydralic pump motor without affecting the output, what they are doing in reality I can not say at the moment, but I can guess.


As I have said in my first post here, I am waiting for an invite to see this first hand and just maybe it will not happen ::)


As far as mental health is concerned, I am an industrial engineer with a B.Sc, but I don't think that qualifies me as a "quack", but it does not take much to see where some are coming from. Note my low post count!!!! but I have been a member here for many years, I wonder why my post count is so low :o


I think I will go back to my round table with real thinking people and have a few beers ;)  just maybe we can be constructive and change the world for the better :-\


regards


Mike 8)


Sorry for distracting the thread from the real topic QEG


Here is something to leave you with to think about


Hydralic driven three phase generator with output converted to DC
PWM drive for hydralic pump at a frequency which is in reactive power sync, "hands apart", with the final output generator (no electrical link)
What do you think the output generator would do to the total drive?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on May 16, 2014, 04:47:35 PM
Pretty much all the considerations you raise have been covered in the discussion with FarmHand.
Sometimes looks things to be repeated....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 16, 2014, 04:51:21 PM
Can you provide a reference link or a reply # to where you acknowledged your mistake further in the thread, instead of just asserting as you normally do?  I'm unable to find this acknowledgement on your part, however I may have over looked it.

Thanks,

Gravock
Look at Tuesday's posts about midday.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on May 16, 2014, 04:51:52 PM
To centraflow: I did read what you said.
Using an appropriate transmission, you can get almost any torque you want using a non-hydraulic motor. Only mentioning current as input to an electric motor is meaningless.
I watched that video; so similar to most OU motor/generator claims. No meaningful data. Obsession with showing RPMs. Large flywheel. Flickering meters. Lights as a load. No evidence of looping. Here is a question to consider for ALL OU systems: given that every stage in the system can be analysed for efficiency, and total system efficiency is a product of all individual efficiencies, why is the exact point that OU occurs is never identified?
Re: MarkE. I too found him unable/unwilling to just admit that he was wrong. Coming straight out and saying 'I was wrong; I apologise' can be a big deal to others. When (not if) I screw up, I'll say so. Which one of you all is qualified to give an opinion on Mark's mental health?
Hi. If you like serious and regourous measurments about possible overunity COP, have a look on the work made on the Richard VIALLE's "autogen" / "autogénarateur".

Cheers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 16, 2014, 05:01:40 PM
centraflow, looping inside the system is meaningless wrt OU of the whole system.
The only thing that truly matters to me is: does it deliver more energy over an extended period than is supplied? Even if the system uses some type of fuel, that is fine.
E.g. a system using violation of LoT2 is of great interest to me.
As to evaluating MarkE's mentality, I have better things to do. I accept him as he is and is not. The number/frequency of posts have no intrinsic meaning.
I made a commitment to myself to make a difference in the world; that involves being active researching different energy sources. Even when I don't think that it will work, I will help others.
You an contact me via an email or message if you wish.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 16, 2014, 05:18:18 PM
Look at Tuesday's posts about midday.

I looked through all of Tuesday's posts and I found no acknowledgement of a mistake on your part further in the thread, in regards to the question at hand.  I'm not chasing the wind.  Since you made the extraordinary claim of acknowledging your mistake further in the thread, then the burden of proof is on you.

Gravock
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on May 16, 2014, 06:47:45 PM
I looked through all of Tuesday's posts and I found no acknowledgement of a mistake on your part further in the thread, in regards to the question at hand.  I'm not chasing the wind.  Since you made the extraordinary claim of acknowledging your mistake further in the thread, then the burden of proof is on you.

Gravock

Reply #797 on page 54.

You are questioning where he admits an error on
"Yes the mistake that I made and acknowledged further in the thread is that I failed to account for the integration.  Faster speed yields a higher di/dt, but T is proportionally smaller."


and reply 797 contains
"Actually the one thing that I overlooked is that the coil looking like a perfect inductor will identically integrate the rate of change in flux with respect to time, which should lead to a constant induction for a given magnet starting from a fixed distance.  Retracting the magnet in the opposite direction to its initial position relative to the ring reverses out whatever current was induced by bringing the magnet closer to the ring."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 16, 2014, 07:44:33 PM
I looked through all of Tuesday's posts and I found no acknowledgement of a mistake on your part further in the thread, in regards to the question at hand.  I'm not chasing the wind.  Since you made the extraordinary claim of acknowledging your mistake further in the thread, then the burden of proof is on you.

Gravock
There is nothing extraordinary about my statement.  It is just a simple statement of fact that you or anyone else can easily verify is true. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Acca on May 16, 2014, 10:31:29 PM
MarkE

for as may posts that you have in such a short time and the ornate explanations that you have given to discredit QEG,  and the very long posts you have to have allot of support to do that..  So you are on who's payroll to do this ?  You seem to have run our of words for the critical review of the power generator from Spain,  are you waiting for your team to develop an answer, because you seem to have them all !!
   

You have way too much time to sit and just to do this without  compensation (MONEY) ???  "17 posts a day"    Who are you ???

Are you part of a "team of" that posts under "MarkE"  ???

Acca...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 16, 2014, 10:35:26 PM
There is nothing extraordinary about my statement.  It is just a simple statement of fact that you or anyone else can easily verify is true.

There is a distinction between a perfect conductor and a superconductor.  The Meissner effect in superconductors is distinct from Lenz's law in a perfect conductor.  Reply # 764 is in regards to a superconductor where you provided the wrong answer to the question, which the question itself was also in reference to a superconductor.  However, reply # 797, which you tried to use as an escape goat, is in regards to a perfect inductor and isn't relevant to the wrong answer you provided in reply # 764.  All you did was to muddy the water so you could escape if it was necessary.  In other words, you were playing both the "yes" card and the "no" card simultaneously to the same question where it would appear you wasn't wrong, regardless of the correct answer.

Gravock
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Acca on May 16, 2014, 10:36:15 PM
 Oh.. here are the links to the Spanish FREE ENERGY DEVICE  MarkE !!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aAjmnVO_Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aAjmnVO_Q)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=387ErfGxpaU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=387ErfGxpaU)
 
 
page to the original post..
 
« Reply #936 on: May 15, 2014, 12:07:22 PM »
 
 
 
Acca…
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 16, 2014, 11:34:04 PM
There is a distinction between a perfect conductor and a superconductor.  The Meissner effect in superconductors is distinct from Lenz's law in a perfect conductor.  Reply # 764 is in regards to a superconductor where you provided the wrong answer to the question, which the question itself was also in reference to a superconductor.  However, reply # 797, which you tried to use as an escape goat, is in regards to a perfect inductor and isn't relevant to the wrong answer you provided in reply # 764.  All you did was to muddy the water so you could escape if it was necessary.  In other words, you were playing both the "yes" card and the "no" card simultaneously to the same question where it would appear you wasn't wrong, regardless of the correct answer.

Gravock
If you would like to discuss a post, it is easy enough to quote it.  Mind reading is a different skill.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 16, 2014, 11:59:15 PM
Oh.. here are the links to the Spanish FREE ENERGY DEVICE  MarkE !!
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aAjmnVO_Q (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0aAjmnVO_Q)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=387ErfGxpaU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=387ErfGxpaU)
 
 
page to the original post..
 
« Reply #936 on: May 15, 2014, 12:07:22 PM »
 
 
 
Acca…
What do you think either of those videos establish?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 17, 2014, 12:41:52 AM
If you would like to discuss a post, it is easy enough to quote it.  Mind reading is a different skill.

You will find the quotes below.....

Below is a quote from Verpies asking you a question in reference to a superconducting air coil.....
Instead of proving the obvious to me, you should concentrate on answering this interesting question:
Q: "A magnet is pulled out of a shorted superconducting aircoil.  Does the magnitude of the final current induced in that coil depend on how quickly the magnet is pulled out ?".

and you replied yes.......
The answer is yes: changing dB/dt changes the induced current.

The below quote is your escape goat for the wrong answer you gave above, which references a perfect inductor instead of a superconductor, as per the original question........
Actually the one thing that I overlooked is that the coil looking like a perfect inductor will identically integrate the rate of change in flux with respect to time, which should lead to a constant induction for a given magnet starting from a fixed distance.  Retracting the magnet in the opposite direction to its initial position relative to the ring reverses out whatever current was induced by bringing the magnet closer to the ring.

Lenz's law in a perfect conductor is distinct from the Meissner effect in superconductors, and you can not mix the two as you have done.  All you did was to muddy the water between a perfect conductor and a superconductor, so you could escape if it was necessary.  In other words, you were playing both the "yes" card and the "no" card simultaneously to the same question where it would appear you wasn't wrong, regardless of the correct answer.

Gravock
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 17, 2014, 12:56:24 AM
deleted for now.....

Gravock
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 17, 2014, 03:52:13 AM
Yes we have seen this thread diverge into familiar territory the past few pages but what about the QEG?  To the recent posters, Gravityblock, Acca, and others, what do you think?  Real or fake?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 17, 2014, 04:47:40 AM
Yes we have seen this thread diverge into familiar territory the past few pages but what about the QEG?  To the recent posters, Gravityblock, Acca, and others, what do you think?  Real or fake?

The sad fact of the matter is the people behind the QEG is probably delusional like MarkE and his minions.  That's why I created a similar thread which is currently titled, "The Charged Field of a Resonant Quantum Energy Generator (TCF-QEG) (http://www.overunity.com/14605/the-charged-field-of-a-resonant-quantum-energy-generator-tcf-qeg/)", which is based on the charge field as described by Miles Mathis.

Gravock
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 17, 2014, 05:28:24 AM
That sounds to me like you are playing the "fake" card and the "real" card at the same time.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 17, 2014, 06:10:17 AM
You will find the quotes below.....

Below is a quote from Verpies asking you a question in reference to a superconducting air coil.....
and you replied yes.......
The below quote is your escape goat for the wrong answer you gave above, which references a perfect inductor instead of a superconductor, as per the original question........
Lenz's law in a perfect conductor is distinct from the Meissner effect in superconductors, and you can not mix the two as you have done.  All you did was to muddy the water between a perfect conductor and a superconductor, so you could escape if it was necessary.  In other words, you were playing both the "yes" card and the "no" card simultaneously to the same question where it would appear you wasn't wrong, regardless of the correct answer.

Gravock
Red herrings and straw men, it's a midnight feast!  And there's a mind reading show after dinner to boot!

Do you think that a superconductor does not act as a pure inductor?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 17, 2014, 06:12:34 AM
MarkE

for as may posts that you have in such a short time and the ornate explanations that you have given to discredit QEG,  and the very long posts you have to have allot of support to do that..  So you are on who's payroll to do this ?  You seem to have run our of words for the critical review of the power generator from Spain,  are you waiting for your team to develop an answer, because you seem to have them all !!
   

You have way too much time to sit and just to do this without  compensation (MONEY) ???  "17 posts a day"    Who are you ???

Are you part of a "team of" that posts under "MarkE"  ???

Acca...
Now the conspiracy theories come out.  LOL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 17, 2014, 06:23:17 AM
That sounds to me like you are playing the "fake" card and the "real" card at the same time.

That's because you don't have all of the information.  As long as we have a closed loop circuit, we will always face the same problem, and that is what we gain at some point we will lose at another. This can be because of the kirchhoff rule for current, what arrives at a point must leave from that point. If we can break that rule even for a fraction of a second we can have a wire piece, for example, that will momentarily have a magnetic field around it without using a disc or return wire.  I don't see why this can't be achieved through the photon induced electric field (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon_induced_electric_field_poling) via Miles Mathis's charge field.

Gravock
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 17, 2014, 06:41:30 AM
Red herrings and straw men, it's a midnight feast!  And there's a mind reading show after dinner to boot!

Do you think that a superconductor does not act as a pure inductor?

The occurrence of the Meissner effect indicates that superconductivity cannot be understood simply as the idealization of perfect conductivity in classical physics, as shown in the highlighted portion of the snapshot below (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductivity).

Gravock
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 17, 2014, 07:20:48 AM
The occurrence of the Meissner effect indicates that superconductivity cannot be understood simply as the idealization of perfect conductivity in classical physics, as shown in the highlighted portion of the snapshot below (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductivity).

Gravock

Attached a more respectable size of the image of which you continue to post.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 17, 2014, 09:05:02 AM
The occurrence of the Meissner effect indicates that superconductivity cannot be understood simply as the idealization of perfect conductivity in classical physics, as shown in the highlighted portion of the snapshot below (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superconductivity).

Gravock
LOL.  Now for our after dinner entertainment:  We are treated to the straw man in bigger bolder letters.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: centraflow on May 17, 2014, 10:00:11 AM
Yes we have seen this thread diverge into familiar territory the past few pages but what about the QEG?  To the recent posters, Gravityblock, Acca, and others, what do you think?  Real or fake?


I think they are playing with something they really don't know anything about, and nor does anybody else as far as mixing electrical and mechanical resonance along with reactive power, this really has to be done in the lab under strict measurement to tune where the wave form interreaction is and then see if there is any merit to this.


I jumped in on the post of the Valencia company Platinum Investments due to  certain aspects which are incorporated into both machines, but the key is a hands apart of driver and generator.


Now to answer the question, real or fake, well you won't like the answer, neither real or fake, just let it play out. ;)
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: centraflow on May 17, 2014, 10:02:37 AM
Seems to be a gug in the system!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Mike 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on May 17, 2014, 10:09:29 AM
No, it's OU: 3 inputs - 12 output so X6
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 17, 2014, 10:21:33 AM
A phony psychiatric workup topped with a made up claim from an ex that doesn't exist is not impressive.




Yet again your exact nature hits you in the face and you try to place it on another.   I have gotten many messages from WORKING members with their complaints about your lack of knowledge and obvious attempts to derail or discourage a person's enthusiasm.   Your covers are pulled and will stay pulled by me and anyone else who sees your comments again MarkE.   We aren't buying crazy here, people like you have us full up already.  Go peddle your anguish elsewhere or better yet STOP!  I suppose you are from a wealthy family professional abilities, yet you seem to be the underachiever and try to subject that on to others.   Good luck with that one,  hope you grow past that and face yourself. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 17, 2014, 10:28:17 AM
If a device is OU, it must have an efficiency of over 100%.  Any efficiency over 100% is undefined as net output is possible with no input, the exact thing that we want from OU.  Mr. Murray-Smith's point is that it doesn't matter whether or not some yet to be discovered energy source is OU or a previously unidentified energy source.  If the source has the properties of inexhaustibility, and very low, ideally zero, operating cost then that energy source has the properties that we want from something that is OU.That is a reasonable enough assumption.  It leads to more or less two paths that I can see:  Either declare that searching for OU is a futile endeavor, or simply allowing that whatever is ultimately determined, OU is a convenient term to describe the properties of the kind of desirable new energy source that we would like to find.Unfortunately, it removes the distinction between what we want:  plentiful, cheap, clean new energy source(s) and things we would rather get past such as fossil fuels.  Personally, I do not object to the idea that if anything ever appears OU that it ultimately will almost certainly to be proven otherwise.Do you mean some other overunity site than this one?I think that there are many people who would disagree with us about the transient nature of anything that might appear OU staying that way.  One could qualify the term and say "apparent OU".  I do not think that is necessary and I don't think it adds much in the way of clarity.  It could inspire flame wars between camps who think that the First Law is violable and those who don't.  If a rich relative pays all my bills, then from my point of view everything in the world is free.COP and efficiency are both well defined.  "Free energy" has many interpretations.  In my experience:  OU is commonly understood to mean an energy source that appears to produce more than it consumes.  Some might object to the "appears" qualifier.  I don't see any value in quibbling about that until such a day as something that seems like a working OU machine appears on the scene.Mostly, yes, but there are exceptions.  Consider something like rocket fuel.  We put a lot more energy into making the rocket fuel then we get out of it.  The form of the fuel, its energy density, power density, etc matter more than the efficiency.I think you will find common agreement that each has a COP > 1.  I think that only a small minority would call either is OU.






blagh blagh blagh blagh blagh        see a doctor and get meds your overworking yourself into an early grave trying to force your opinion on others.    You must of been the nah nah, nah nah nah kid and never grew out of it.  (my opinion also of you)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 17, 2014, 10:37:26 AM
Reply #797 on page 54.

You are questioning where he admits an error on
"Yes the mistake that I made and acknowledged further in the thread is that I failed to account for the integration.  Faster speed yields a higher di/dt, but T is proportionally smaller."


and reply 797 contains
"Actually the one thing that I overlooked is that the coil looking like a perfect inductor will identically integrate the rate of change in flux with respect to time, which should lead to a constant induction for a given magnet starting from a fixed distance.  Retracting the magnet in the opposite direction to its initial position relative to the ring reverses out whatever current was induced by bringing the magnet closer to the ring."


MarkE strikes again? and now counters his arguments with his Sybil seconds?  lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 17, 2014, 10:42:54 AM
That sounds to me like you are playing the "fake" card and the "real" card at the same time.




Yet we digress another moment, lol.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 17, 2014, 11:00:47 AM
Grav,  real or fake is that the question or the sum?   We know for certain it does not work as of yet,  so I for one would like to find a solution to the non working part.  When one day we do find solution for OU there will be a solid understanding developed we will call it a science of course.  Then that science will be applied to many previously discarded devices and they will be perfected into COP > 1.   This device or a past or any it does not matter.  What matters is that we work together sparking each others thoughts and DOING with builds and simulations or whatever it takes to get us there.


In a way trolls provide some positive aspects of letting us know we are on the right track or near it.  It always encourages me to see them appear and the harder they bark the more I know we are getting closer to a working device. On thing is for certain, if COP > 1 exists everyday we work toward it, it is one day closer we are to discovering OU.


One thought I would like to have you all remember is that in many past (thought to be working) devices there were connections to either and earth sink and/or a air sink (meaning we collected or connected to a reservoir).  So where would we place an antenna in this circuit and/or ground?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: T-1000 on May 17, 2014, 11:22:48 AM
67 pages, lots of buzz and fighting, almost no replications.. what people are doing here?

To make small scale mechanical toroidal resonator as per spec + window pulse motor attached does not take so much resources, so if someone wants to prove their points in this thread - build it first ;) Otherwise the posts in this thread have no value...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 17, 2014, 02:31:59 PM
I for one would prefer if all arguments with MarkE on the public forum were kept on the scientific level, without Ad Hominem remarks and psychoanalysis.

IMO opinion it is fine to refute what MarkE states with scientific arguments, logic and empirical evidence but anyting more than that is unbecoming of scientists ...even if he is really paid by MiBs ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 17, 2014, 02:53:16 PM
LOL.  Now for our after dinner entertainment:  We are treated to the straw man in bigger bolder letters.

Where's your scientific argument?  LOL.

Gravock
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 17, 2014, 04:29:22 PM
Well, now that some pent-up frustrations have been released where the "anti troll brigade" became trolls themselves, what's left?

Not much.  There are no legitimate scientific arguments that can explain how the QEG is supposed to allegedly work.  From what I can see so far, the QEG is doing exactly what it is supposed to do, and what it is expected to do - act like a very crappy generator.

James and Naime talked all about some sort of big collaborative effort, and in fact there is no observable collaborative effort at all.  The main QEG forum is like a ghost town on the dark side of the moon with respect to some kind of synergistic collaborative effort taking place about developing this alleged technology.  Plus it should not have to be developed at all, they claimed it was working.

So my prediction is that the whole project has already started to fade away.  You will never hear anything from Taiwan, even though it was made too look like a really big deal just a few weeks ago.  The Moroccan villagers will quickly forget about the visit by the QEGers and go back to normal life - no free energy water pump in sight.

It's already about to go "dark."  And no, that doesn't mean that it has been suppressed by the MIB/PTB.  What it means is a bunch of people went "crazy" and twisted dials and wound coils and chanted and nothing happened.  So they all went home.

The puppet masters are left with the booty in their dozen or more PayPal accounts.

Message to the people that have already gone home or are about to go home:  SPEAK UP!  Post about your experiences here or on other forums.  Tell us how you felt about spending thousands of dollars to travel abound the world believing that you were about to start a revolution in energy and ended up seeing nothing accomplished.   We want to hear your voices!  You have a duty to your fellow man to explain what your experiences were in order to prevent something like this happening in the future!  Just state the truth as you experienced it and let's discuss it.

We as a collective society have a responsibility to try to work together to make things better.  Exposing bad people like James and Naime is an example of a real way to contribute to fixing the world.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 17, 2014, 05:52:13 PM
Grav,  real or fake is that the question or the sum?   We know for certain it does not work as of yet,  so I for one would like to find a solution to the non working part.  When one day we do find solution for OU there will be a solid understanding developed we will call it a science of course.  Then that science will be applied to many previously discarded devices and they will be perfected into COP > 1.   This device or a past or any it does not matter.  What matters is that we work together sparking each others thoughts and DOING with builds and simulations or whatever it takes to get us there.


In a way trolls provide some positive aspects of letting us know we are on the right track or near it.  It always encourages me to see them appear and the harder they bark the more I know we are getting closer to a working device. On thing is for certain, if COP > 1 exists everyday we work toward it, it is one day closer we are to discovering OU.


One thought I would like to have you all remember is that in many past (thought to be working) devices there were connections to either and earth sink and/or a air sink (meaning we collected or connected to a reservoir).  So where would we place an antenna in this circuit and/or ground?

IMO, OU is everywhere due to the expansion acceleration of mass.  I can show mass is not conserved with the mass-energy equation.  Then I can show energy isn't conserved due to the expansion acceleration of mass.  At the Large Electron-Positron Collider (LEP), which operated at the CERN laboratory near Geneva through the 1990s, electrons and positrons (anti electrons) were accelerated to velocities within about one part in a hundred billionth of the speed of light. Speeding around in opposite directions, the particles smashed into each other, producing a lot of debris. A typical collision might produce ten π mesons, a proton, and an anti-proton. Now let’s compare the total masses, before and after:

electron + positron: 2 × 10^–28 gram
10 pions + proton + anti-proton: 6 × 10^–24 gram

What comes out weighs about thirty thousand times as much as what went in. If mass is not conserved—and it’s not!, then we can seek its origin.

Question: If E = mc^2, then mass is proportional to energy. So if energy is conserved according to the mass-energy equation, doesn’t that mean that mass will be conserved, too?

Answer: The short answer is that E = mc^2 really applies only to isolated bodies at rest. It’s a pity that this equation, the equation of physics that is best known to the general public, is actually a little cheesy. In general, when you have moving bodies, or interacting bodies, energy and mass aren’t proportional. E = mc^2 simply doesn’t apply. E = mc^2 holds for isolated bodies at rest. For moving bodies, the correct mass-energy equation is given in the image below, where v is the velocity. For a body at rest (v = 0), this becomes E = mc^2. When a body, for example, a proton or an electron, is accelerated, v generally changes, but m stays the same. Therefore, the equation tells us, E changes. If energy is conserved according to the mass-energy equation, but mass is not, then what gives?

Conservation of energy applies to systems, not to individual bodies. The total energy of a system of bodies includes contributions from both energy of motion and “potential energy” terms that reflect the interactions among the bodies. The potential energy terms are given by other formulas, which depend on the distances between the bodies, their electric charges, and perhaps other things. It is only the total energy that is conserved according to the mass-energy equation.

An isolated body has a constant velocity. That’s Newton’s first law of motion, which, unlike his zeroth law, still appears to be valid. When a body is isolated, we can regard it as a system unto itself. So the energy of the body should be conserved and from the formula, it is. Conversely, when a body’s velocity changes, that very change is a signal that the body is not isolated. Some other body has to be acting on it to produce the change in velocity. The action of one body on another generally transfers energy between them. Only the total energy is conserved according to the mass-energy equation, not the energy of each body separately.

We considered a dramatic violation of conservation of mass. An electron and a positron annihilate, and out come a collection of particles whose total mass is 30,000 times larger. Nevertheless, energy is conserved. The velocities of the initial electron and positron were very close to the speed of light. Therefore, according to the general mass-energy equation, their energy is very large, much larger than mc^2. The particles that emerge from the collision, although they are more massive, move a bit more slowly. When you add up their energies, calculated using the mass-energy equation, the sum matches the total energy of the original electron and positron. Once the particles fly out and separate, the interaction, or potential, energy becomes negligibly small.  Now, since we have a dramatic violation in the conservation of mass according to the mass-energy equation, and mass is undergoing expansion acceleration and is provided by different equations, then energy isn't conserved either.

Reference:  The above is taken right out of a book written by Frank Wilczek titled, "The Lightness of Being: Mass, Ether, and Unification of the Forces". This book is a must read! He is considered one of the world’s most eminent theoretical physicists. He is known, among other things, for the discovery of asymptotic freedom, the development of quantum chromodynamics (QCD), the invention of axions, and the discovery and exploitation of new forms of quantum statistics (anyons). Frank Wilczek is a Nobel Prize Winner, and is also an official advisor to CERN and to Daedalus.

Gravock
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on May 17, 2014, 06:05:21 PM
@ MileHigh:
They've done a crowdfunding campaign and got more than 18000 fucking Dollars !  8)
$$$ https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator) $$$
The sad part is that one day if someone who is serious (and have a truly working device) about starting an FE start-up, he will get labeled at scam without analysis.
That kind of things tend to discredit the whole OU research...  >:(
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 17, 2014, 06:56:44 PM
LOL.  Now for our after dinner entertainment:  We are treated to the straw man in bigger bolder letters.
Where's your scientific argument?  LOL.
Apparently the non-scientific argumentation is not one-sided ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: verpies on May 17, 2014, 06:58:19 PM
What comes out weighs about thirty thousand times as much as what went in. If mass is not conserved—and it’s not!, then we can seek its origin.
OK, but not in this thread
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 17, 2014, 10:10:15 PM
Gee, I don't see any account of F=Ma.  The particles were, after all, accelerated to near light speed and that required a bunch of energy no?

Why do folk always seem to look at one side of an equation?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 17, 2014, 10:56:00 PM
Gee, I don't see any account of F=Ma.  The particles were, after all, accelerated to near light speed and that required a bunch of energy no?

Why do folk always seem to look at one side of an equation?

Bill

Verpies has pointed out this is off-topic to the main purpose of this thread, and I agree.  If you want to have a further discussion on this, then feel free to create a thread and let me know the link via a PM or as a small side note in a post that is more meaningful to this topic, so others may follow and participate in the discussion if they are interested.

Thanks,

Gravock 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 19, 2014, 12:20:43 AM
Ok. Who wants to be the first to bash this thing?
cheers,
chrisC


http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/386-qeg-morocco-overunity
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: FR Turbo on May 19, 2014, 12:45:09 AM
Also:

http://www.allegedlydave.com/blog.htm?article_id=5
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 19, 2014, 01:19:11 AM
Why not start out by preserving things for posterity.

This clip is on the Be-Do YouTube page and is called "QEG Morocco Overunity."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0)

On HopeGirl's YouTube channel it is called "QEG Overunity."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJkNruMM6tE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJkNruMM6tE)

Download it before it vanishes!  lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 19, 2014, 01:22:57 AM
Let's preserve Dave Starbuck's posting:

http://www.allegedlydave.com/blog.htm?article_id=5
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/386-qeg-morocco-overunity#1644

By Dave Starbuck Sunday, May 18, 2014
 Source: www.allegedlydave.com/blog.htm?article_id=5 (http://www.allegedlydave.com/blog.htm?article_id=5)

 I, like millions of other people around the world, read the announcement of the open sourcing of a free energy device back in march with a little skepticism, (I’ve been banging on for quite some time that inventors should just ’put it out there’ rather than try and make themselves rich with their invention, and yet here it and I was still skeptical... go figure) but I have been following its progress with mounting excitement, wishing that I could be a part of this historic venture and no sooner than I got back to base I was.   A package of test equipment needed to be taken over to Morocco and it was thought that the courier needed to be someone who could provide a little assistance to Jamie Robitaille the developer of the Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) and next thing I knew I was a plane to Morocco

 I arrived in Tangiers, expecting to be met at the airport by a Moroccan friend of Youssef, the QEG team’s "Fixer", I couldnt say that I was looking forward to a two hour trip with a man that I had no hope of communicating with, although, being met in Tangiers airport by a Moroccan driver holding a sign that read "Mr. Starbuck" would have been cool.

 I had skillfully negotiated the surly looking gendarmes and their associates that looked for all intents and purposes like secret police, (not so skillfully, in hindsight, now that I know that I apparently look like a Moroccan) but now, with the exit gate a mere arms length away, I was halted by a border guard who seemed mildly interested to find out what was in the large instrument case I dragged behind me, filled with oscilloscopes, multimeters, high voltage probes and various other terrorist paraphernalia that would have whipped up American TSA agents into a frenzy and sent them scrambling for their tasers, rubber gloves and KY Jelly.   Thankfully, I had been briefed on how to handle this situation, I was given the cover story that it was equipment for use in a humanitarian project to build a water pump to bring water to the impoverished village of Aoucham, and I felt confident that I could deliver a convincingly casual performance that would not arouse suspicion.   The guard seemed so laid back that I probably could have said "Don’t worry mate, it’s just meters and shit" and he would have rolled his eyes and waved me through, but unfortunately the border guard began asking me questions in French and it was only then that I realised that my near fluent command of the French language, that I had enjoyed two decades earlier, had degenerated to the point where I could barely describe a monkey sitting in a tree (le singe est dans l’arbre... yeah baby I still got it (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/emoticons/laughing.png))

 I managed to explain through a combination of hand gestures and broken, schoolboy french that the case was sealed with metal tags that would require cutting off and that I had no hope of explaining what was in it and now the guard was starting to get agitated, his hand kept straying toward his radio and I began to wonder what life in a Moroccan prison would be like, but then I was saved, Jamie Robitalle himself and an american woman called Whitney (who spoke perfect French) had come to meet me at the airport, and even though, disappointingly, they were not carrying a "Mr. Starbuck" sign, they were able to have us quickly on our way.

 Jamie is a humble, unassuming man with a seemingly perpetual smile and the gentle demeanour of a beloved maths teacher, and the three of us were engaged in easy conversation that evaporated our two hour journey to QEG headquarters, it was at this point that I learned that while the QEG had achieved resonance, it had not yet achieved over-unity, that is, it was still consuming more power than it generated. Even though my role was little more than a courier, I offered my services as Jamie’s assistant and silently stated my intention to see over-unity before I went home.

 I arrived at "The Sanctuary" at 4:00am and a few hours later I was up and being introduced to the members of the community as an honoured guest, and since it was a Sunday there was not much work that would be done and so I found myself slipping into the easy flow of the community as I participated in their activities as if I’d always been a part of them.

 The following day Jamie explained how he had approached Timothy Thrapp from the WITTS "Christian" Ministry who, despite their altruistic claims of releasing free energy to the world, demanded $400 for one hour of his time. Jamie was able to get a basic understanding of this replication of Tesla’s work, but it was clear that he was leaving out a lot of information and being intentionally vague about what he did share, and when Jamie compared notes with someone else, who had paid handsomely for the privilege, there were several contidictions.   It also became obvious that the intent was to seduce customers into repeated "donations" to the Ministry.   Moreover, when Thrapp learned of Jamie’s intent to open source the technology, relations between them became frosty.


 Then I had my first live demo of the QEG, it was loud like an power router, and as it achieved reonance there was a harsh sounding rattle and it did indeed perform distinctly under unity, Jamie showed me his meticulous records of trials of varying rotor speeds and capacitance values and explained his hitherto failure to find a "sweet spot" combination.

 The QEG was, at this point, working at unity, that is, it was producing the same amount of power as it was consuming, which in itself is an astounding achievement since the generators that supply our power now consume something in the region of 18 watts in order to generate 10 watts.

 Later, Jamie began a new series of experiments with much larger arrays of capacitors and testing the location of a grounding wire.   My assistance largely took the form of getting in the way and asking far too many questions.

 On my third day working with the QEG, I was privileged to sit in on a Skype call between Jamie and a German team who are also developing a QEG, some data was exchanged and an accord was reached to have closer ties and regular catch up meetings.

 By the fifth day Jamie’s dogged persistence had paid off, he ran a new sequence where the QEG would initially power the load of six 100 watt light bulbs, he would the add a solar array inverter (high voltage input) to the load and once it initialised he would disconnect the bulbs and the QEG would be running the inverter, unfortunately the badly regulated Moroccan mains power would alter the QEG output and send the inverter into a diagnostic mode, and on the rare occasion that we successfully ran the inverter we soon discovered that the new Earth configuration caused a ground fault condition and would trip the main breaker.
 Eventually this new configuration was tried sucessfully with all the new test equipment I’d brought hooked up, oscilloscopes were oscillating, meters were metering and high voltage probes were probing, the input power meter was showing that the QEG was drawing 600 Watts, the output voltage was holding steady at 380 volts and the output current was peaking at just under 2.4 amps...   Jamie began muttering about adjusting the values of the capacitor array, but then my maths skills, that are as sharp as wet spaghetti, kicked in it was outputting just under 900 watts.... in other words...OVER-UNITY!
 Not an awful lot over but over-unity nonetheless; Jamie smiled and almost reluctantly agreed.   I suggested that since the inverter was now capable of running the drive motor we should aim at having the QEG running in self powered mode, Jamie however, was far more cautious, but he wired up the changeover switch nonetheless.

 On day six, Jamie had been in communication with a QEG team in Canada who had some interesting ideas regarding treating the primary winding as the secondary and drawing power from that winding instead, we studied the new schematics but they didn’t seem to make a lot of sense, but then we mused about the tecniques and methodology one might employ to hide a simple solution, stretching it out so that customers would keep coming back for more, but without making it seem like the customer was being tricked and bled dry and we agreed that switching the primary and secondary might well fit the bill, so Jamie set about rewiring the QEG.

 Day seven, my last day. Jamie had been up late the previous night talking to the Canadian team and he wasn’t around by lunchtime, so I went to Oued Lou, the nearest town with a group from the community, but by the time I arrived back Jamie had already finished rewiring the QEG and was already reporting a significant voltage in the primary in the 1-1.5kv range, and was busy adding a bank of capacitors to the primary winding as per the Canadian design, we didnt have a variable resistor to place in series with the capacitor bank as the design specified but Jamie tried it anyway.   The difference was immediately noticeable, the QEG began to resonate at a much lower RPM around 1625rpm, the loud jarring rattle that had characterised the QEG at resonance had been replaced by a gentle purring as it ran far more smoothly and easily than ever before.

 The QEG was drawing 500 watts, the secondary was still powering its 600 watt load of light bulbs and yet on the primary side we were reading nearly 2000 volts at 1 amp.   If I had gone by Jamie’s furrowed expression alone I might have missed the fact that he had just achieved serious over-unity 500 Watts in and 2000 Watts out... I had to rouse him from his deep contemplation of how to reach his target of 10Kw to remind him to celebrate the fact that he had actually achieved 2.6Kw...   I managed to get a high five out of him before he resumed his tinkering.

 The QEG achieves Over-Unity!!

 At this point, about 1:30 am, members of the community, sensing that something of importance had occurred began to gather in the workshop, more were awakened to witness the event, a rousing round of applause went up for Jamie and we all tucked into Over-unity cake, baked specially for that moment.

 So the next step will be to make the QEG self running from the secondary windings stepping down the voltage using a transformer from a high power microwave oven.

Breaking News:
Hot off the press!!!I just spoke to Jamie and he mentioned that he has now achieved 3kW output, that’s six times over unity!   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on May 19, 2014, 01:23:16 AM
Self looping ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ramset on May 19, 2014, 01:32:20 AM
the plot thickens............
 8)


does this roadshow ever hit the US continent?


Thx
Chet
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 19, 2014, 01:45:52 AM
I used the low voltage coil as the resonator. I got 10X60 watts light bulbs in series very bright. The current was 0.83 amps and when I restart to check the voltage check what happened. I should had installed a spark gap but.....
Input at this time was 600 watts..




Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 19, 2014, 01:53:27 AM
Let's now just do a very basic crunching of the numbers from the clip.  We are going to make two very basic assumptions.

The first assumption is that the voltage and current are perfectly in phase.  It's a light bulb load and the frequency is relatively low and that's what we see on the scope display so that's reasonable.

The second assumption is that we are going to multiply the peak values by one divided by the square root of two, which equals 0.7071.  That's what's done for a sine wave.  This will not be perfectly accurate but we will live with that.  If I can get the model of the scope off of the clip I will look it up.

So, 1900 volts peak-to-peak, divided by two equals 950 volts.
950 volts times 0.7071 gives you 671.7 volts RMS.

From looking at the clip, I am going to say the peak-to-peak current range is 0.95 amps.
0.95 amps divided by two gives you 0.475 amps.
0.475 amps times 0.7071 gives you 0.3359 amps RMS.

Therefore the approximate output power they seem to be measuring in the clip is 671.7 Volts RMS x 0.3359 Amps RMS.

The approximate output power is 226 watts.

The electric motor is drawing 655 watts of power.

Therefore the efficiency of the QEG is 226/655 x 100 = 34.5%.

Are they a bunch of fools or is this a cynical planned event to stoke up the activity in their suite of PayPal accounts?

MileHigh


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 19, 2014, 01:56:25 AM
Ari please resize your image to a much smaller size because otherwise it will mess up people's ability to read the thread.

Thanks,

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 19, 2014, 02:06:06 AM
Ari please resize your image to a much smaller size because otherwise it will mess up people's ability to read the thread.

Thanks,

MileHigh


I still learning.......
Thanks
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on May 19, 2014, 02:20:41 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knq_jIyWxhY&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Knq_jIyWxhY&feature=youtu.be)[/font]





Some  more of  secrets of Vasmus Free Energy Device part #9.
Free Energy is the energy that is Free of charge but energy must come from somewhere and be converted to usable form of energy
at minute 5:46 please note that 0.44 A current is clearly showing that voltage must be high  on the tungsten light bulbs.  Total power written in the light-bulbs divided  at 0.44A gives you voltage.
at 5:17 minute Vasmus is increasing  current on the ground wire using  potentiometer.
That clearly states about   push- pull electron pump mechanism with  time  delay.
The inertia of the mass particles  electrons  once activated has its own free flow mass delay.
Once activated electrons flow ( move) from the ground and loosely coupled     coil of load winding ( big coil) is dissipating that energy at "pull' interaction not allowing mass to stop as next demand for electrons flow is just continuation of inertia.
The low frequency carrier is modulated with high frequency picks at very top  of the amplitude presenting as DC of given with.
The amplitude of that square pics is much bigger as low amplitude carrier.


Modulation:
You could picture it as very narrow very high square picks of DC at frequency higher that the carrier.
The rising edge  and falling edge of such impulse is very short however for us the important is that  in the sloping down time there is at certain point the carrier of its very unique time base  amplitude level.
The picks are present only    - from  0 to maximum  of the carrier.


That is very much like Lithuania Experiment.







Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 19, 2014, 02:33:59 AM
It appears to me that the oscilloscope that they are using is an older-generation Tektronix DPO3054 model.  I am really out of touch with this stuff but I will assume the scope is somewhere between three and 10 years old.

I am going to assume that the scope they are using could display real-time RMS values for each scope channel.  I am also assuming that it may be able to do multiplication and averaging.

So in other words with RMS values, or with multiply + average, you could get a near-instant or instant reading for the average power going into the light bulb load.

If James has been working in tech for so long, and also very recently, how come he can't drive that scope like an expert and make his life easier?

For me the jury is out on this, and I give them the benefit of the doubt in the sense that they were very busy experimenting and they were not tinkering with the scope.

However, James could do exactly the same "paper napkin" calculations that I just did and see the truth staring him in the face.

The next logical step from the QEG team is a retraction of the over unity claim made in the recently posted clip and an apology.  If they don't do that then it will be the nail in the coffin for them with respect to their character, integrity,  and motivation.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 19, 2014, 02:46:00 AM
Finally, I made a comment on the Be-Do YouTube clip.  I was surprised that comments were allowed.  Comments aren't allowed on HopeGirl's YouTube clip.

Will my comment get vaporized?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 19, 2014, 02:56:49 AM
Ok. Who wants to be the first to bash this thing?
cheers,
chrisC


http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/386-qeg-morocco-overunity

How many paragraphs of pointless typing was done before beginning with meaningful information?  Classic m.o.
Trying more to get a novel publishing it seems to me.  Just disgusting.  Some people have no shame.

Who has noticed that neigther the FTW project domain nor the hopegirl2012 wordpress pages never provide an update?  Each update is at some other website.  Now this one at http://www.allegedlydave.com   Is this to cut down on the paper trail if the lawsuits begin?

And I thought Yello Journalism was dead.  Nothing says full of it like using "Hot off the press!!!"
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 19, 2014, 05:09:07 PM
A few comments:

The E=mc^2 equation is only for energy equivalent of rest mass.  For a mass in motion a kinetic energy component most also be added as the posted image shows, for a mass at rest the kinetic energy component is still actually there, it's just zero.

The mass differential between the electron and proton comes in to play in plasma physics, where electrons can be put into motion much more quickly than their positive counter parts.  This gives rise to some interesting things as the electrons in a plasma will arrive at a positive terminal before the positive ions will arrive at the negative terminal. 


Ari,

Do you have your load attached to the primary or secondary of your QEG, and what is the DC resistance of the primary?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: descripttime on May 19, 2014, 10:03:22 PM

Hi MileHigh

thanks for your pertinent comment I quote hereafter:

Quote
Let's now just do a very basic crunching of the numbers from the clip.  We are going to make two very basic assumptions.

The first assumption is that the voltage and current are perfectly in phase.  It's a light bulb load and the frequency is relatively low and that's what we see on the scope display so that's reasonable.

The second assumption is that we are going to multiply the peak values by one divided by the square root of two, which equals 0.7071.  That's what's done for a sine wave.  This will not be perfectly accurate but we will live with that.  If I can get the model of the scope off of the clip I will look it up.

So, 1900 volts peak-to-peak, divided by two equals 950 volts.
950 volts times 0.7071 gives you 671.7 volts RMS.

From looking at the clip, I am going to say the peak-to-peak current range is 0.95 amps.
0.95 amps divided by two gives you 0.475 amps.
0.475 amps times 0.7071 gives you 0.3359 amps RMS.

Therefore the approximate output [color=#0081BD !important][/color] they seem to be measuring in the clip is 671.7 Volts RMS x 0.3359 Amps RMS.

The approximate output [color=#0081BD !important][/color] is 226 watts.

The electric motor is drawing 655 watts of [color=#0081BD !important][/color].

Therefore the efficiency of the QEG is 226/655 x 100 = 34.5%.

Are they a bunch of fools or is this a cynical planned event to stoke up the activity in their suite of PayPal accounts?

MileHigh <end of quote>


Dave's report after the video is confusing. You can be absolutely right with your calculation. I watched the video, the traces are 1.9 V p-p for the voltage, times 1000 for the Tek HV probe; and slightly less than 1 div. p-p for the current (don't know which shunt or current transformer they use).

So that your calculation of 226 W can be real.

I wrote a message to Dave to see if he will answer the following doubts:
- are those voltage and current traces related to a resistor inserted in the primary ? it would make sense, because they are in phase, but the report does not clear if this resistor was effectively connected. He said somewhere in the video "output voltage across the primary tank"  showing a multimeter with about 448 V. He says that the 600 W lamps bank was still there (as load on the secondary, if I understood correctly the report ?) and I understood there was a further (resistive ?) load in the primary. If true, then we had 600 + 226 W output, overunit though.
- I asked if 1.9 kV and 1 A were peak to peak values...

Let's give further credit to Jamie and Dave waiting for confirmation; let's assume they were in a hurry and tired and could not report all the details...

Best regards, descripttime
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: descripttime on May 19, 2014, 10:05:22 PM
Hi MileHigh,

the last part of my message was inserted in the quote, I repeat it here:

Dave's report after the video is confusing. You can be absolutely right with your calculation. I watched the video, the traces are 1.9 V p-p for the voltage, times 1000 for the Tek HV probe; and slightly less than 1 div. p-p for the current (don't know which shunt or current transformer they use).

So that your calculation of 226 W can be real.

I wrote a message to Dave to see if he will answer the following doubts:
- are those voltage and current traces related to a resistor inserted in the primary ? it would make sense, because they are in phase, but the report does not clear if this resistor was effectively connected. He said somewhere in the video "output voltage across the primary tank"  showing a multimeter with about 448 V. He says that the 600 W lamps bank was still there (as load on the secondary, if I understood correctly the report ?) and I understood there was a further (resistive ?) load in the primary. If true, then we had 600 + 226 W output, overunit though.
- I asked if 1.9 kV and 1 A were peak to peak values...

Let's give further credit to Jamie and Dave waiting for confirmation; let's assume they were in a hurry and tired and could not report all the details...

Best regards, descripttime
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 19, 2014, 11:34:03 PM
Hi Descripttime,

It looks like the voltages are reasonable for what you would observe on the secondary if you had six light bulbs in series.   For example, 120 VAC is 339 volts peak-to-peak.  So six times 339 volts is 2034 volts.  Likewise it's reasonable to assume that James had a current sensing resistor on the secondary. At the same time I acknowledge that this is not an official report from the QEG team.  At the same time HopeGirl posted it on her YouTube channel with the title "QEG Overunity."

The fact that one bulb is dimmer than the rest can be explained if you assume it was a 100-watt bulb and the other five bulbs were 60-watt bulbs.

On Facebook Dave stated that someone loaned him the equipment.  It looks like it is pretty certain that Dave is not technical and that's why he did the incorrect power calculation.  Why didn't James correct him?  It's the same phenomenon with respect to Dave that you see on the forums; he likely doesn't know what he is talking about for the technical stuff but he assumes that he is correct anyway and has not admitted his lack of knowledge.  Dave said something like "you can get more power from the primary, we discovered that."  That's nonsense, the primary and secondary are locked together and if you suck power out of the primary then less power will be available on the secondary.  We will see if these misconceptions get cleared up over the next few days.

Carl Cunningham posted my power calculation in Dave's Facebook comment thread eight hours ago, it's now 5:30 PM EDT, and 10:30 PM BST in London, England.  Not a single person in the Facebook comment thread has commented on the power calculation or even acknowledged that it was posted.  I find that disconcerting.  Many non-technical people are fully aware of RMS voltage measurements and know that you use RMS values and not peak-to-peak values to measure AC power.

Right now my assumption is that there was no load on the primary, and the light bulb load was on the secondary, and the scope traces were measuring the voltage and the current for the light bulb load.

For me one of the big mysteries is James.  Was he really an engineer, or is he bluffing and he has always worked as a bench technician?  Was he building test jigs and making the measurements that he was directed to make by the engineers that he worked with?  He is on very shaky ground, he is improvising on the fly and I think he stated that he is going to try the suggestion about putting the load on the primary.  In theory there is no reason to do unusual variations on the design.

Technically, I don't think having a resistive load on the primary or the secondary will make much difference.  Either setup should look more or less like the same Lenz drag load to the spinning rotor.  Either setup will be under unity, and the efficiency is likely to be somewhere between 30% and 40% no matter what they do.  It all goes back to the WITTS gang, they never had anything either.  WITTS has no credibility on the free energy forums and are considered by the majority of the forum regulars to be scam artists.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 20, 2014, 01:16:19 AM
Descripttime,

One more comment from your statement:

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So that your calculation of 226 W can be real.

Indeed it can be real and when you look at the apparent brightness of the six light bulbs, 226 watts seems to be about right.

In contrast to that, if Dave's wild estimate of nearly 2 kilowatts was actually true, the six light bulbs would simply not be able to sustain that amount of AC power and one of them would quickly burn out and open the circuit.

By the same token if you actually had six 400-watt incandescent light bulbs plugged into the setup, and the power was nearly 2 kilowatts, they would be blindingly bright and they would also produce a lot of heat.  Clearly that didn't happen.

I will just repeat that these are "disconnects" in the testing process that should not be happening if James really knew what he was doing.  James and HopeGirl are on the "professional" side of free energy experimenters.  From my perspective, if you are a pro, then you will be scrutinized in more detail and mistakes will be pointed out.

We will see if any group that builds a QEG will be able to present their data in a credible and professional way.  That includes even if they fail to get over unity.  Unfortunately, there is a good chance that groups that fail to achieve over unity simply won't present any data at all.  They will simply "run away."  That's a possible explanation for the silence from the engineering group in Taiwan.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 20, 2014, 02:02:01 AM
A few comments:

The E=mc^2 equation is only for energy equivalent of rest mass.  For a mass in motion a kinetic energy component most also be added as the posted image shows, for a mass at rest the kinetic energy component is still actually there, it's just zero.

The mass differential between the electron and proton comes in to play in plasma physics, where electrons can be put into motion much more quickly than their positive counter parts.  This gives rise to some interesting things as the electrons in a plasma will arrive at a positive terminal before the positive ions will arrive at the negative terminal. 


Ari,

Do you have your load attached to the primary or secondary of your QEG, and what is the DC resistance of the primary?


A) High voltage coil ( 3100 turns of 20 awg wire)
33 Ohms
13 Farad without rotor
18 Farad With the rotor


B) Low voltage coil ( 350 turns of 2X16 awg wire)
1.0 ohms
0.26 Farad without the rotor
0.32 Farad with the rotor


Cheers
Ariovaldo



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 20, 2014, 02:33:37 AM
I am continually amazed by how these people, and others of their ilk, measure "output power". They all act as if the measured output power was a property of the device under test, rather than the load itself.

Consider this: You have a power source, the mains outlets in your home. Plug in a 100 Watt nameplate value incandescent bulb, and _measure_ the power output of the wall socket. What do you get? 100 Watts or thereabouts, if you have done it right.
Now unplug that bulb and plug in a 1500 Watt electric heater. Measure the power output. What do you get? 1500 Watts, or thereabouts. But NOTHING about your mains plug has changed! It is still the same plug connected to the same wiring all the way back to the power plant.

So what gives? Why didn't this source put 1500 watts into the light bulb, why didn't it put 100 watts into the electric heater? Because the power drawn from the source is determined by the LOAD, not the supply, that's why,  as long as the load doesn't want more power than the supply can provide. With a purely resistive load, it is the _resistance_ of the load that determines the _current drawn_ by the load at the _supply voltage_. 

Is this starting to make sense? So for someone to claim "2 kW" power output.... one MUST have a real load that will draw enough current at the supplied voltage to result in 2 kW power dissipation in the load.

Wiki says,
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The actual resistance of the filament is temperature dependent. The cold resistance of tungsten-filament lamps is about 1/15 the hot-filament resistance when the lamp is operating. For example, a 100-watt, 120-volt lamp has a resistance of 144 ohms (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohm) when lit, but the cold resistance is much lower (about 9.5 ohms).

So to keep six 100 Watt incandescents in series fully lit, you need to supply 720 volts to a resistance of 864 ohms.... and the current will be I=V/R= 0.83 Amps, and the power dissipation will be.... wait for it..... I2R= 600 Watts. And this power is determined by the LOAD, not the source, as long as the source is capable of providing the current that the load demands.

So a real 2kW power output would be, say, 20 ea.  100 Watt bulbs in a 10-series, 2- parallel arrangement? So you "only" need to supply 1,200 volts to a resistance of  720 ohms.... resulting in a current demand of 1.67 Amps.... and the power dissipation will be 2000 Watts. How about that.

So where is the instrumental measurement that shows, simultaneously and in-circuit, the 1,200 volt output of the device and a current of 1.67 amps being drawn by the load?

And then.... when you realize that all of the above voltage and current values are RMS.... and that the peak voltages will be 1.4 times the RMS and the peak-to-peak of the AC signal will be nearly 3 times the RMS values..... you will be looking at some mighty large values on the oscilloscope traces to show a true 2 kW output.

As an aside note, in the most recent photos from Morocco I can see a current sense transformer of the Rogowski coil type being used for current monitoring. Are they using it properly? Highly unlikely, judging from the photos.

The bottom line is that, once again, we are being treated to outlandish claims of overunity, being made on the basis of incorrect and improperly performed measurements done with equipment that is being used improperly _but which is capable of making the proper measurements_. Yet the individuals doing the measuring will NOT listen to advice and use the equipment that they have, properly, to make and interpret measurements correctly. Meanwhile the naive cheering section continues to chant and moan in ecstasy over a few light bulbs lighting up, poorly and with lots of noise.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 20, 2014, 03:01:49 AM
Ari what are we looking at in the picture ? Is it part of the core and windings over wrapped by tape with an arc burn mark between ?

I have to say that people doing this kind of thing should definitely make provision for limiting the voltage in the tanked coils. Similar things can happen with NST's when they are open circuited when tuned by caps or used in resonant transformer supply duties, same with MOT's, MOT's have the secondary electrically joined to the core so the windings closest to the core are tied to the same potential by the inside end of the secondary winding. The potential difference between winding might remain fairly low but the potential difference to the core could be great.

James' voltage limiter is the spark gap which is not good for a home use device as a consistent sparking of a spark gap could interfere with things.

For unqualified people to use it the device needs fail safes and inbuilt protections, which is another concern, people think they can just wire up some 10 kW device
to their homes and hey presto. But it is a bit more complicated than that.

For example James and Hope Girl Turn up and drop off a free QEG to your house but you are not an electrician and cannot wire it to your house. What do you do ?

I doubt any electrician would do it. Not unless he sees a safety certificate and a technical report with clear schematics is my guess.

So then what, if you connect it to your house yourself or get an unqualified or even if you could find a qualified person to install it then if the setup kills someone both you and the installer are liable, if the house burns down you get no insurance.

This is Hillbilly electronics, and even if it was to "work" would have a lot of work to do to be able to install one in a house.

..
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: descripttime on May 20, 2014, 03:15:54 AM

Hi MileHigh

Quote
Hi Descripttime,

It looks like the voltages are reasonable for what you would observe on the secondary if you had six light bulbs in series.   For example, 120 VAC is 339 volts peak-to-peak.  So six times 339 volts is 2034 volts.  Likewise it's reasonable to assume that James had a current sensing resistor on the secondary.

The fact that one bulb is dimmer than the rest can be explained if you assume it was a 100-watt bulb and the other five bulbs were 60-watt bulbs.

Yes, very well observed. All this makes sense and is highly probable.

Quote
...Dave said something like "you can get more power from the primary, we discovered that."  That's nonsense, the primary and secondary are locked together and if you suck power out of the primary then less power will be available on the secondary.  We will see if these misconceptions get cleared up over the next few days.

Well, we must remember here that we have a parametric coupling factor, so that there is not a classical, constant transformer ratio between primary and secondary. And a good quality factor Q of the LC tank permits a much higher voltage on the primary than the turns ratio would predict. But of course, loading the primary with a resistor will decrease the Q to a point where the parametric effet can no longer sustain the oscillation. So that a simultaneous loading of the primary is rather unlikely, as you said.

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...Many non-technical people are fully aware of RMS voltage measurements and know that you use RMS values and not peak-to-peak values to measure AC power.

Yes, and very probably that scope has a real time multiplier capability to display an active power trace... it had killed the doubt.

Quote
Right now my assumption is that there was no load on the primary, and the light bulb load was on the secondary, and the scope traces were measuring the voltage and the current for the light bulb load.

Highly probable... :-(

Quote
For me one of the big mysteries is James.  ...I think he stated that he is going to try the suggestion about putting the load on the primary.  In theory there is no reason to do unusual variations on the design.

Well, in non conventional research one may and should try everything...

Quote
Technically, I don't think having a resistive load on the primary or the secondary will make much difference.  Either setup should look more or less like the same Lenz drag load to the spinning rotor. 

Again, it can escape to conventional laws here due to the parametric coupling and parametric excitation of the tank. In theory, and you can see this on simulations, you can avoid the Lenz drag in parametric systems. But it is not sufficient to be parametric, a correct phase relationship between the variables must be held, by topological configuration or by a kind of phase locking.

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WITTS has no credibility on the free energy forums and are considered by the majority of the forum regulars to be scam artists.

I was not aware of Witts credibility, but I cannot believe James and his team will risk so big discredit after so much boasting... anyway all is possible on this planet, including fooling some people all the time... it would deliver once more big arguments to discredit the F.E.  R & D   :-(


There are very few serious researchers-finders in this field who can do correct measurements... but I am sure some of them will keep trying... let's hope this saga will not end like most alleged inventions...

best, descripttime
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 20, 2014, 04:22:33 AM
Ari what are we looking at in the picture ? Is it part of the core and windings over wrapped by tape with an arc burn mark between ?

I have to say that people doing this kind of thing should definitely make provision for limiting the voltage in the tanked coils. Similar things can happen with NST's when they are open circuited when tuned by caps or used in resonant transformer supply duties, same with MOT's, MOT's have the secondary electrically joined to the core so the windings closest to the core are tied to the same potential by the inside end of the secondary winding. The potential difference between winding might remain fairly low but the potential difference to the core could be great.

James' voltage limiter is the spark gap which is not good for a home use device as a consistent sparking of a spark gap could interfere with things.

For unqualified people to use it the device needs fail safes and inbuilt protections, which is another concern, people think they can just wire up some 10 kW device
to their homes and hey presto. But it is a bit more complicated than that.

For example James and Hope Girl Turn up and drop off a free QEG to your house but you are not an electrician and cannot wire it to your house. What do you do ?

I doubt any electrician would do it. Not unless he sees a safety certificate and a technical report with clear schematics is my guess.

So then what, if you connect it to your house yourself or get an unqualified or even if you could find a qualified person to install it then if the setup kills someone both you and the installer are liable, if the house burns down you get no insurance.

This is Hillbilly electronics, and even if it was to "work" would have a lot of work to do to be able to install one in a house.

..
Yes...This was an arc in the HV side.  I am testing and I forgot to connect my spark gap...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 20, 2014, 04:23:45 AM
Descripttime,

Quote
Well, we must remember here that we have a parametric coupling factor, so that there is not a classical, constant transformer ratio between primary and secondary. And a good quality factor Q of the LC tank permits a much higher voltage on the primary than the turns ratio would predict. But of course, loading the primary with a resistor will decrease the Q to a point where the parametric effet can no longer sustain the oscillation. So that a simultaneous loading of the primary is rather unlikely, as you said.

Thanks for reminding me about the physical architecture of the QEG and I also have some statements to further qualify what is going on inside the QEG in terms of the magnetic coupling.

You are right that there is not a classical, constant transformer ratio between primary and secondary.  But we have to explore that in more detail to see what is hidden behind the curtains, in a manner of speaking.

For starters I am not comfortable with the term "parametric coupling."  For the eager free energy experimenter or for the lay person interested in the QEG, this sounds like some kind of amazing 'alternative' technology.  You might believe that this gives you a "Get out of Jail Free" card.  As in your comment below:

Quote
Again, it can escape to conventional laws here due to the parametric coupling and parametric excitation of the tank. In theory, and you can see this on simulations, you can avoid the Lenz drag in parametric systems.

You can't avoid the Lenz drag and I will explain why.

Let's change the QEG in order to illustrate a point.  Let's remove the rotor completely and replace it with a small "exciter coil."  Let's have a single primary coil and a single secondary coil, very conventional.  The exciter coil provides an AC stimulus at the resonant frequency.  That makes the primary LC tank resonate to high voltage and of course the secondary drives the load.

Here is the key thing:  Let's "forget about" the exciter coil.  All that you know is that there is a "black box" power source and you have a toroid with a primary and a secondary.  It's obvious that the black box is the source of the power.

So the above is a pretty conventional setup, it's essentially a toroid with three coils.  Certainly this setup will act 100% conventionally.  The flux going through the core is used to drive the load, nothing fancy going on.

I will continue this in a second posting because it is getting long.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 20, 2014, 04:47:15 AM
Continued...

So let's go back to the real QEG with the spinning rotor.  Okay, so we know that the rotor is the source of the power and we also know that at certain angles the rotor will redirect magnetic flux.  In fact, we need the rotor to complete the magnetic circuit because otherwise the two halves of the primary coil will be in magnetic opposition and their flux will cancel.

You may be surprised by what I am going to say, but in essence you can ignore all of the fancy flux routing done by the spinning rotor.  Take the point of view of the primary coils and the secondary coils.  The only thing the coils "care about" is that they either see changing flux from a black box source, or they pump flux into the toroid and they don't care where that flux goes.

Now, what about the point of view for the coils for the conventional setup with the exciter coil?  It's essentially the same, the coils either "see" changing flux or the they pump changing flux into the toroid.

In other words, in all cases, the coils either sense changing flux or they generate changing flux and that's it.

This will be a bit of a leap, but I hope you can follow me:  You can also replace the spinning rotor by a black box.  This black box is also the source of power for the QEG.  This particular black box does something a bit unconventional at the same time, it reroutes flux that is traveling though the core.  However, from the point of view of the coils themselves, they couldn't care less about the flux rerouting - all they care about is seeing changing flux or pumping flux into the core and nothing else.

Sorry this is getting long.  The bottom line is this:  The funky flux rerouting and the fact that the spinning rotor supplies the power is essentially meaningless.  The coils will still perform and act like normal coils do - this is absolutely metaphysically certain.

If the spinning rotor is supplying power to the QEG to make the flux move and ultimately drive a load, then by definition there will be Lenz drag on the rotor.  There is simply no other way for this to work.  The rotor is converting rotational energy into magnetic energy.  It's a form of transformer.  The output of the transformer the entire QEG as a "load."  The input to the transformer is rotational power - torque times angular velocity.  The torque is the Lenz drag due to the fact that the mechanical power is driving the entire QEG as a "load."  This is inescapable.

Just one more posting....

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on May 20, 2014, 04:50:36 AM
Gee, I wonder why they neglected to give figures for the secondary that is presumably powering the light bulbs. 

I also wonder if that is 35% efficiency is imaginary efficiency.  Since they are quoting numbers from the primary, current and voltage my be 90 degrees out of phase making the real part of the efficiency significantly lower.

In any case my SPICE model 2.0 generally yields anywhere from 35% to 70% efficiency depending on load and drive.   Strange how that seems to roughly match the results from Morocco and from Ari as well.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 20, 2014, 05:06:57 AM
Finally....

Here is another way of looking at it:

Setup with exciter coil:   The exciter coil provides 100 units of power.  The LC resonator burns off 20 units of power to sustain the resonance where the power is burnt off in the resistance of the wires and in core losses.  80 units of power flow into the secondary coil.  5 units of power are burnt of in the wire resistance of the secondary coil.  75 units of power are transfered into the load.  So the system is 75% efficient.

Setup with spinning rotor:  100 units of power are provided to the motor.  5 units of power are burnt off in the coils of the motor and 95 units of mechanical power are supplied to the rotor.  The rotor coupling to the QEG is vastly inferior to the the exciter coil coupling to the core in the previous example.  Let's say we lose 40 units of power because of the poor coupling and I don't know exactly where it goes, so let's just say it goes into a "power sinkhole."  (Note there is likely a lot of flux self-cancellation going on which translates into excessive resistive losses in the two primary coils.)  So you are left with 55 units of power to feed to the primary coils.  In the chain of [primary coils] -> [through the spinning rotor] -> [secondary coils] -> [load] you lose another 20 units of power so that only 35 units of power go to the load.  So the system is 35% efficient.

Very simple hypothetical example:

With exciter coil:   You have magnetic power (changing flux) supplied by the primary that flows into the secondary to drive a load.

With spinning rotor:  You have magnetic power (changing flux) supplied by the primary that flows into two places at the same time.  Part of the magnetic power is rerouted and travels through the spinning rotor and part of the magnetic power goes into the secondary to drive a load.

So in the second case, some of the flux gets "stolen" by the flux rerouting process and less goes to the secondary coil.

Here is the key point:  The secondary coil doesn't care about the missing flux and will still do exactly what it is supposed to do and act like a normal secondary of a transformer, but with less flux.

This whole "flux rerouting game" along with the "mechanical flux stimulus" in the QEG is just a form of "eye candy for the brain."  It doesn't actually do anything significant.  All of the coils in the system will still act like conventional coils.  If you are going to use a mechanical source of power to pump power through the QEG so that the power ends up driving a load, then you will have to supply torque no matter what, and that is the Lenz drag from the QEG.  The more power you pump into the load, the more Lenz drag there will be.

Nothing unconventional is happening in the QEG.  Every single component that makes up the QEG acts conventionally and all of the components working together act conventionally.  This highly unusual architecture of the QEG is just a "smoke screen" to make you believe that it is an "unconventional generator with parametric coupling and no Lenz drag."  There is not a chance in hell that that is true and the data will clearly prove what I am saying is true.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 20, 2014, 05:35:08 AM
F_Brown,

Note when I did the simple power analysis for the most recent clip where they claim over unity it is presumed to be all based on measurements of the secondary coil output.  The 35% efficiency is not "imaginary" efficiency.  The assumption is that the power factor is very very close to one when driving the light bulb load at the relatively low frequency of operation.

With respect to the efficiency of different replications, based on the data that we have seen so far, I doubt that we will see efficiencies of greater than 40% and I would be very surprised if we see efficiencies above 50%.

I am basing my comments on seeing properly presented clips with current and voltage scoped for the load and a Kill-a-Watt meter on the drive motor.  Even though the "over unity" clip was done on the fly and was not a serious presentation of input and output power measurements, I think it's the best data we have seen so far.  I know there has been anecdotal claims of higher efficiencies, but nothing with scope shots and Kill-a-Watt readings.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 20, 2014, 06:05:03 AM
Bad news.  HopeGirl is using the alleged "over unity" clip that is actually under unity to solicit funds.  It's simply unethical behaviour.

MileHigh

http://www.gofundme.com/HopeGirlFixtheworldQEG
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 20, 2014, 06:49:24 AM
That is outrageous.

And that's just ONE of her funding sites. They have collected well over a hundred thousand dollars based on this ridiculous claim of having an overunity machine that they don't actually have. Teaching people how to make something they can't make themselves! Showing "overunity" that depends on a hodgepodge set of numbers from abused oscilloscopes.... and can't be demonstrated in any other way.

Well fine, people, if you are happy with overunity that can't actually do anything but make squiggly lines on an expensive digital Etch-a-Sketch... send her more money!

And just keep ignoring people like MileHigh and little old me, who are trying to save you your money so you can spend it on something worthwhile, instead of funding a worldwide vacation for these QEG liars.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 20, 2014, 09:09:09 AM
That is outrageous.

And that's just ONE of her funding sites. They have collected well over a hundred thousand dollars based on this ridiculous claim of having an overunity machine that they don't actually have. Teaching people how to make something they can't make themselves! Showing "overunity" that depends on a hodgepodge set of numbers from abused oscilloscopes.... and can't be demonstrated in any other way.

Well fine, people, if you are happy with overunity that can't actually do anything but make squiggly lines on an expensive digital Etch-a-Sketch... send her more money!

And just keep ignoring people like MileHigh and little old me, who are trying to save you your money so you can spend it on something worthwhile, instead of funding a worldwide vacation for these QEG liars.

Great post about loads and power.  See the new monies coming in to the crow funding after that latest video?
I said from day one, this will play out for years as I referenced Keshe. Just you wait and see the response to people politely asking honest questions of how the calculations were made. This is going to be a long ride. Now in full run away mode. No one at the controls.

I am now selling over unity light bulbs:
When I put a scope on a 120v 100W light bulb the reading of Vpp is approximately 330v with 2.3 App.  330 x 2.3 is 759W.
My over unity bulb draws 760W from the wall!!!
Get this, the power company only charges for 100 Watts!!!
California Has Over Unity!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 20, 2014, 09:14:17 AM
You know, I am really feeling concern for James in all of this. I still think that he is a decent guy that is working hard to get results from this device. Some how he has gotten sweeped up in all of this and has been manipulated by others that have other designs on this whole process. By that I mean others like possibly Hope and her mother and maybe others under the radar. James may be in above his head, but I find it hard to believe that he is putting on a front and just waiting to count his money. I personally have not witnessed James actively selling the QEG or soliciting funding. Maybe some one will provide something that I have missed that will change my opinion. But until then my feelings will be more of compassion for James in this challenge. I would not want to be in his shoes for any amount of money. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on May 20, 2014, 09:32:22 AM
You know, I am really feeling concern for James in all of this. I still think that he is a decent guy that is working hard to get results from this device. Some how he has gotten sweeped up in all of this and has been manipulated by others that have other designs on this whole process. By that I mean others like possibly Hope and her mother and maybe others under the radar. James may be in above his head, but I find it hard to believe that he is putting on a front and just waiting to count his money. I personally have not witnessed James actively selling the QEG or soliciting funding. Maybe some one will provide something that I have missed that will change my opinion. But until then my feelings will be more of compassion for James in this challenge. I would not want to be in his shoes for any amount of money.

I had the same impression when I saw the first videos.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 20, 2014, 10:00:21 AM
Hoppy,
Thanks for sharing that!
I just noticed that Hope Girl and her mother have already left Morocco.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 20, 2014, 10:53:16 AM
Posted by HypeGirl on January 24, 2014:

Quote
Four months ago, FTW boldly went where many have tried to go before. We embarked on a mission to create a free energy device that will be distributed directly to the people. We call this device the Quantum Energy Generator, or QEG. I am now here, living on the property where the QEG is being assembled, observing its progress. It is almost complete, and we will soon be flipping the switch that can change the world.

 The QEG is a crisp, clean, and modern device based on Tesla's public domain design and built with incredible engineering precision (for example it has over 300 precision cut steel plates each at 18 ½  1,000ths of an inch thick). The QEG is portable, the size of an average home generator, can easily hook up to your existing electrical system, and weighs approximately 120 pounds. The QEG can power your entire home, several of them can power anything from a skyscraper to a cruise ship, and you will never have to pay an electric bill ever again.

Note the use of the PRESENT TENSE in all the claims.

I don't know if James Robitaille is anything other than an innocent dupe. But it should be obvious to everyone that "Hope Moore" or whatever her real name is, is a big fat liar.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 20, 2014, 01:06:17 PM
You know, I am really feeling concern for James in all of this. I still think that he is a decent guy that is working hard to get results from this device. Some how he has gotten sweeped up in all of this and has been manipulated by others that have other designs on this whole process. By that I mean others like possibly Hope and her mother and maybe others under the radar. James may be in above his head, but I find it hard to believe that he is putting on a front and just waiting to count his money. I personally have not witnessed James actively selling the QEG or soliciting funding. Maybe some one will provide something that I have missed that will change my opinion. But until then my feelings will be more of compassion for James in this challenge. I would not want to be in his shoes for any amount of money.
Sooner or later he has to realize that no matter how good his intentions were or are, that his efforts are propping up Hope Girl's fraud.  Unless he is very blind he has to realize that now.  He might be tolerating it if he thinks that maybe he can make it work.  All that is going to happen is that he will end up wearing the same stain as Hope to take your money Girl.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 20, 2014, 01:34:54 PM
In one of the videos, Jamie says that the QEG is a high voltage device, not a low voltage one as they had first thougth. Interesting statement since he supposedly had already built his own prototype. He then goes on to say that if they can get the output voltage up to 2KV and the current to 5 amps they will have their 10KW generator. Right from the beginning these guys have assumed that the output power is simply volts times amps. Jamie can not be an engineer. No engineer would do this for an AC system, but these guys do. Does anybody present at these gatherings even raise their hand and mention rms or power factor.  I for one have not heard these terms in any of their videos or seen them mentioned in blog posts of others reporting back to the masses. 
 
MileHigh did a great job of explaining things. I'd like to see a concise posting formulated and placed on the http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum. If you have posting privileges it will appear immediately. This posting should be screen captured and posted back here. If it later is removed this would indicated that they are knowingly scamming folks.

I would suggest that perhaps MileHigh should take the lead on preparing a concise power cal analysis. I have posting privileges and would be pleased to post it in response to Dave Starbuck Sunday, May 18, 2014 posting.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on May 20, 2014, 02:37:41 PM
WTF ? 35000 $ without counting indiegogo 18000 $.
Quote
Bad news.  HopeGirl is using the alleged "over unity" clip that is actually under unity to solicit funds.  It's simply unethical behaviour.

MileHigh
Let's call a cat a cat: it's a scam.  :P
I'm more worried that kind of things will do a lot af damage in the OU community where I believe that are honest researcher out there...
In fact when I see some new-age hippy things like "HopeGirl", "One People Community", "Our mother Gaia", "Love people",
->put every new age terminology here<- , where demonstration are performed in a village in the middle of nowhere it tend to raise in my head some big red flag.  ;D
Hell, doing science is not the same things as preaching in some new age group...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 20, 2014, 02:57:29 PM

This was posted yesterday here by Hope More. A press release of sorts probably not written my hope moor herself, but clearly meant to keep the money machine going.

http://www.gofundme.com/HopeGirlFixtheworldQEG (http://www.gofundme.com/HopeGirlFixtheworldQEG)
 

Updated posted by Hope Moore 1 day ago
Important QEG update: The word from Aouchtam is OVERUNITY!!! Made possible by YOU - The People!Hope and Val left Morocco last Monday and are in the UK preparing for the next QEG build. We tried to remain in Morocco with Jamie until the goals of overunity and self-running were reached, but could not. More details coming soon (see last update for list) but we wanted to get you the good news!In this update, please open the link and watch the video of the all-important overunity step being reached. Blessings to all who helped make this possible - together we are creating the world we want to live in!

They screen says they have raise more than $34,000 and there goal is to raise an additional $20K, and they will likely do it based on this posting. "Dave" who reported the output power at 2.6 KW and later updated his number to 3 KW after supposedly talking to Jamie. Why did Jamie not correct Dave and explain that this number represented the instantaneous power and not the average power. Hope girl etal is clearly having a great time in the limelight jaunting around the globe. But its a total sham.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 20, 2014, 06:02:36 PM
Here's what a real resistive load looks like. Note that for under a hundred pounds Sterling one may purchase a genuine 2000 Watt resistive load of 50 ohms resistance.

https://www.inverterdrive.com/group/Dynamic-Brake-Resistors/ECOMSA-Dynamic-Braking-Resistor-50-Ohms-2000-Watt/

He just needs to push a bit under six and a half amps through that load to dissipate 2 kW. And it will only take a little over 300 volts to do it.

"But our output voltage is in the multi kV range!" Sure... and what happens when you connect an unregulated voltage source to a low impedance load?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 20, 2014, 08:25:20 PM
Here's what a real resistive load looks like. Note that for under a hundred pounds Sterling one may purchase a genuine 2000 Watt resistive load of 50 ohms resistance.

https://www.inverterdrive.com/group/Dynamic-Brake-Resistors/ECOMSA-Dynamic-Braking-Resistor-50-Ohms-2000-Watt/

He just needs to push a bit under six and a half amps through that load to dissipate 2 kW. And it will only take a little over 300 volts to do it.

"But our output voltage is in the multi kV range!" Sure... and what happens when you connect an unregulated voltage source to a low impedance load?
They could always start by purchasing a load that matches the open circuit voltage by the expected current.  Even better that if by adding suitable switches or wiring options that they could change the load as needed.  For instance they could get a suitable fixed step down transformer and variac combination.  Or they could go really simple with:  2000V / 5A = 400 Ohms and buy eight of those 50 Ohm resistors, and stack them in series.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on May 20, 2014, 11:15:44 PM
Hi;

What they need in reality is called a dump-load controller. This has four control levels
that will gate in the next section of dump-load resistance when the voltage goes
above the present dump-load high level preset or exit that level when the voltage goes
below the present low preset level. It acts against the OU devices own internal impedence.
A high voltage DC to AC inverter (90%->98% eff.) has a large DC input range and the dump-load controller
keeps the DC voltage within that range, wasting energy not being used in the load.
This is designed for wind/power operations where excess energy can not be utilized.
Don't have DC level power?: use a power bridge rectifier to make it. Photoflash cap. Filter Keep attaching
incandescent load lamps to the AC output side of the inverter. Please: only count
fully lit 100Watt bulbs as OU output power. Don't measure circulating power in the
OU device to count as overunity...Overunity power is in output dummy load only. Don't use
LED bulbs or CFL's without taking real wattage into account. As load bulbs come on line
the load-dump controller resistances automatically will drop away. Future designs of the
overunity device can self limit power. Working OK?...remove dummy load, reprogram the inverter
and hook it to the grid line and pump energy back toward utility generator.


:S:MarkSCoffman

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 20, 2014, 11:26:17 PM
Which OU device are you referring to, mscoffman? I have yet to see one.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 20, 2014, 11:46:38 PM
Hi;

What they need in reality is called a dump-load controller. This has four control levels
that will gate in the next section of dump-load resistance when the voltage goes
above the present dump-load high level preset or exit that level when the voltage goes
below the present low preset level. It acts against the OU devices own internal impedence.
A high voltage DC to AC inverter (90%->98% eff.) has a large DC input range and the dump-load controller
keeps the DC voltage within that range, wasting energy not being used in the load.
This is designed for wind/power operations where excess energy can not be utilized.
Don't have DC level power?: use a power bridge rectifier to make it. Photoflash cap. Filter Keep attaching
incandescent load lamps to the AC output side of the inverter. Please: only count
fully lit 100Watt bulbs as OU output power. Don't measure circulating power in the
OU device to count as overunity...Overunity power is in output dummy load only. Don't use
LED bulbs or CFL's without taking real wattage into account. As load bulbs come on line
the load-dump controller resistances automatically will drop away. Future designs of the
overunity device can self limit power. Working OK?...remove dummy load, reprogram the inverter
and hook it to the grid line and pump energy back toward utility generator.


:S:MarkSCoffman
Under some static operating conditions a static load should be identifiable that results in maximum output.  Wind turbines face highly variable source conditions so having a variable load is important.  Solar inverters all have MPP controllers for the same reason. 

These guys have to contend with he very dangerous 2KV.  I personally would put the output through a step down transformer and then couple to a load through a variac.  That way the load can just be dialed in.  If the phase is fixed then a voltmeter and ammeter combination is enough to indicate relative power so that the operator can dial the variac to the maximum power point.  Step wise resistors are just a poor man's approximation for the variac.  If they aren't going to use a step-down transformer, then the resistor stack is a more practical and safe way to deal with that 2KV than trying to locate and then operate a 2KV variac.  Such a thing is likely to be quite expensive.  I don't think that even stage lighting equipment goes that high.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: T-1000 on May 20, 2014, 11:53:13 PM
These guys have to contend with he very dangerous 2KV.  I personally would put the output through a step down transformer and then couple to a load through a variac.

Please show your replication, the 17 posts per day will not make you "expert" in this field... ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 20, 2014, 11:56:25 PM
(PCB)Does anybody present at these gatherings even raise their hand and mention rms or power factor.  I for one have not heard these terms in any of their videos or seen them mentioned in blog posts of others reporting back to the masses.
Let's call a cat a cat: it's a scam.  :P
(SchubertReijiMaigo)I'm more worried that kind of things will do a lot af damage in the OU community where I believe that are honest researcher out there...
In fact when I see some new-age hippy things like "HopeGirl", "One People Community", "Our mother Gaia", "Love people",
->put every new age terminology here<- , where demonstration are performed in a village in the middle of nowhere it tend to raise in my head some big red flag.  ;D
Hell, doing science is not the same things as preaching in some new age group...

The reason that you do not see any of these things is because they are more of a gathering of "like minded" supporters of Hope Moore. These groups are very supportive of each other and and Hope Girl is using this to rally support in the pretence that they are working to help those who are in need of electricity around the world. Unfortunately she is grabbing every little piece of information that comes her way and sensationalizing it in order to ramp up her following. I am sure that James is not even aware of what she is putting out there until after the fact. There is an increasingly larger number of people all over the world that will be drawn to this. Not because of its technical merits or its breaking new age technology. That is why I think that the majority of the funding is coming in from people who are spiritually snared by the Hope Girl campaign.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on May 21, 2014, 12:02:15 AM
"But our output voltage is in the multi kV range!" Sure... and what happens when you connect an unregulated voltage source to a low impedance load?

Impedance mismatch, maybe in this case the voltage will collapse (like loading any LC).
A Buck-Boost converter could do the job to match impedance.
A solar inverter will be more appropriate (they have a chip to regulate power).
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 21, 2014, 01:57:07 AM
(PCB)Does anybody present at these gatherings even raise their hand and mention rms or power factor.  I for one have not heard these terms in any of their videos or seen them mentioned in blog posts of others reporting back to the masses.
Let's call a cat a cat: it's a scam.
(SchubertReijiMaigo)I'm more worried that kind of things will do a lot af damage in the OU community where I believe that are honest researcher out there...
In fact when I see some new-age hippy things like "HopeGirl", "One People Community", "Our mother Gaia", "Love people",
->put every new age terminology here<- , where demonstration are performed in a village in the middle of nowhere it tend to raise in my head some big red flag.
Hell, doing science is not the same things as preaching in some new age group...

The reason that you do not see any of these things is because they are more of a gathering of "like minded" supporters of Hope Moore. These groups are very supportive of each other and and Hope Girl is using this to rally support in the pretence that they are working to help those who are in need of electricity around the world. Unfortunately she is grabbing every little piece of information that comes her way and sensationalizing it in order to ramp up her following. I am sure that James is not even aware of what she is putting out there until after the fact. There is an increasingly larger number of people all over the world that will be drawn to this. Not because of its technical merits or its breaking new age technology. That is why I think that the majority of the funding is coming in from people who are spiritually snared by the Hope Girl campaign.


So what your saying is that this is really a cult? Facts. engineering truths and alike do not really matter here. I'm wondering if Jamie part of the cult or just a tool?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 21, 2014, 01:59:33 AM
PCB,

Here is a proposed posting for you:

Unfortunately this is a false alarm and the QEG is not producing over unity.  You do not use the peak-to-peak values for the voltage and the current to measure the power dissipation for the light bulb load.  The correct way to do it is to use one-half of the peak-to-peak values and then multiply them by 0.7071.  This gives you what is called the "RMS" (Root Mean Square) values for the voltage and current.

The power dissipated in the light bulb load is Vrms x Irms.

The reason you use RMS values is because this factors in the fact that higher voltages (or currents) give you disproportionally higher power dissipation levels.

1900 volts peak-to-peak, divided by two equals 950 volts.
950 volts times 0.7071 gives you 671.7 volts RMS
0.95 amps peak-to-peak divided by two gives you 0.475 amps.
0.475 amps times 0.7071 gives you 0.3359 amps RMS.
671.7 Volts RMS x 0.3359 Amps RMS = 226 watts
The electric motor is drawing 655 watts of power.
Therefore the efficiency of the QEG is 226/655 x 100 = 34.5%.


P.S.:  Rearranged one sentence and much better now.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on May 21, 2014, 02:00:30 AM
The problem with a transformer or variac is it acts like a CVT which will pass unused power back to a previous stage, but if that stage
can't regulate, then passing the power back to it serves no purpose. The first stage where power comes from drive motor can regulate
but I think we can bet it won't do so with full stability. If the machine comes up non segmented (no-adjustments except for final load)
then it will come up cleanly for step resistance too. As far as converter impedence mismatch, that is the problem, the unit needs to
be able suport the low impedence of the load with stability so that it can claim to have powered that load.

Fortunately for photovoltaics they tend to behave with stability whether one uses their energy or not. I believe the MPP alogrithm used
might introduce instability into a sensitive source.

----

One additional thing. It may be desirable to have an RFI "hash" filter between QEG (dc) output and an inverter
to delete spikes from static and out of band noise like from 400Hz ripple. You may want to look up the following
TE.CORCOM component under the the title of;; It's not necessarily designed to be used on the DC side but
after checking that is where I would put it. These are generally inexpensive insurance. I didn't check price on
this one. Again this low impedence to "noise" might mess with QEG operation.

Single Phase Power Line Filter for Frequency Converters


:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 21, 2014, 02:12:04 AM
I read somewhere that HopeGirl (a.k.a "Hope Moore") is James' daughter.  I don't know more than reading it just once.

I believe that the claim of free energy is still up on her blog with the donate button, way more than 24 hours after the claim.  I can't believe that James and HopeGirl don't talk several times a day.  So I have no faith in James.  Not that I had faith in him before as I posted a week ago.  I doesn't fit for me.  I don't believe in James the patsy.

For MarkE, yes yes yes!  Great idea with the step-down transformer then the variac then the big fat power resistor.  That gives you a big fat AC load where you can dial in the impedance!  Freaking awesome man!

See then we could all sit around the QEG like boy scouts and toast free energy marshmallows over the resistor and sing Kumbayah!

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: descripttime on May 21, 2014, 02:15:24 AM

 Hi MileHigh
Thanks for your messages 1038, 1039 and 1041. I followed your argumentation, and I will try to induce some more technical hope towards that kind of electromagnetic device.
I am not sure if I understood the configuration of your virtual exciter coil (is it spinning or wound on the toroid somewhere ?) but anyway your argumentation is based on a conventional analysis mixing normal alternator behaviour (with Lenz law unavoidable) and variable reluctance or flux switch alternator (used in aircrafts, but none replicated, to my knowledge, showing overunit energetic balance).
However, other researchers in the past have demonstrated that when you have simultaneously variable reluctance, relatively quick varying current di/dt in the coil(s), and mechanical movement (for example of a ferromagnetic pole piece) you can tap non conventional energy (aether energy, ZPE, the name is not important).
For example, you might want to check this article which is written by a serious researcher:
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/jap77.pdf (http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/jap77.pdf)
Osamu Ide is no fancy charlatan, he has also applied for a patent on a super-efficient inverter (alleged to be 400% O.U. in other publications, not in the patent), you might want to give a look; it is a static device, however:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_CH&FT=D&date=20130522&CC=EP&NR=2595300A1&KC=A1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_CH&FT=D&date=20130522&CC=EP&NR=2595300A1&KC=A1)
you have also this link (mentioned by a member of this forum, if I remember right) where a non scammer researcher (Art Porter) is disclosing practically all the details of a > 200% prototype based also on variable reluctance:
http://gap-power.com (http://gap-power.com/)
and I had a regretted friend in Europe who developed an improved version of the Raymond Kromrey’s machine. He could achieve 138%.
These mentioned devices are not parametric; when you add this effect, you can obtain better COPs, but for this, you must increase the voltage and the frequency (as the effect is proportional to the square of the LC tank voltage and the square of the frequency).
I do not say it is easy task to get high COPs with such electromagnetic devices. Trying to explain their operation with conventional physics is a dead end, and there is no consistent new theory able to predict those effects, only preliminary attempts. And please, a recommendation to all who still are citing the 1st principle of energy conservation to say that free energy is impossible: this 1st principle is only valid for closed systems... has somebody seen already a closed system ? just a closed mental fiction... think about nuclear energy; in 1850, it did not exist... in 1950, it is obvious... because the systems and the minds were opened !
There are also many losses mechanisms in electromagnetic machines. Much research and skill is needed to decrease them. But of course with a cut and try amateur way like James is doing, no wonder he gets 35%.
Best, descripttime.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 21, 2014, 02:24:49 AM
PCB,

Here is a proposed posting for you:

Unfortunately this is a false alarm and the QEG is not producing over unity.  You do not use the peak-to-peak values for the voltage and the current measurements for the light bulb load to measure the power dissipation.  The correct way to do it is to use one-half of the peak-to-peak values and then multiply them by 0.7071.  This gives you what is called the "RMS" (Root Mean Square) values for the voltage and current.

The power dissipated in the light bulb load is Vrms x Irms.

The reason you use RMS values is because this factors in the fact that higher voltages (or currents) give you disproportionally higher power dissipation levels.

1900 volts peak-to-peak, divided by two equals 950 volts.
950 volts times 0.7071 gives you 671.7 volts RMS
0.95 amps peak-to-peak divided by two gives you 0.475 amps.
0.475 amps times 0.7071 gives you 0.3359 amps RMS.
671.7 Volts RMS x 0.3359 Amps RMS = 226 watts
The electric motor is drawing 655 watts of power.
Therefore the efficiency of the QEG is 226/655 x 100 = 34.5%.


Thanks, I very much appreciate you taking time to write this. Having most of the day to ruminate about this, perhaps what would be more powerful is to reverse things and calculate backwards, starting with a real power output of 10 KW. What would be the Vp-p on the secondary and on the primary given 5 Amps at the output (limits of the gauge of wired used)?  I think that the primary voltage would not be achievable due to breakdown. The core is being reworked for higher voltages, even so I'm sure that the voltage levels would be way too high even for the new core. Approaching things from this angle might get more attention from Jamie etal, and others following the QEG story on the Internet. What do you think?



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 21, 2014, 02:27:36 AM
I read somewhere that HopeGirl (a.k.a "Hope Moore") is James' daughter.  I don't know more than reading it just once.

Daughter, or wife? Sterling's web page gives several links to her blog and donation pages and calls her his wife. Which probably means she's really his daughter.
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I believe that the claim of free energy is still up on her blog with the donate button, way more than 24 hours after the claim.  I can't believe that James and HopeGirl don't talk several times a day.  So I have no faith in James.  Not that I had faith in him before as I posted a week ago.  I doesn't fit for me.  I don't believe in James the patsy.
Yes, the lying claims are still up and people are still donating by the minute.
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For MarkE, yes yes yes!  Great idea with the step-down transformer then the variac then the big fat power resistor.  That gives you a big fat AC load where you can dial in the impedance!  Freaking awesome man!

See then we could all sit around the QEG like boy scouts and toast free energy marshmallows over the resistor and sing Kumbayah!

MileHigh

MOT.

Rip apart a microwave oven, use the transformer's 2kV winding as the "primary" by hooking it directly to the output of the QEG. It will work on 400 Hz, just not quite as efficiently as on 50-60 Hz, but MOTs are not designed for efficiency anyway, they are designed to be cheap to make.
Now you can draw off high-amperage 120 or 220 VAC from the "secondary" of the MOT. Run your Variac on this output and then go and light up your load bank of bulbs. 



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 21, 2014, 02:35:06 AM
@descripttime: none of the "overunity" devices you mention have been self-looped to function without any external source of power. Why is that? I know for an absolute fact that if someone shows me a 200 percent OU electrical device, I can take the output power, store and convert it to whatever the input power requirement is, and make it run itself. I believe from your posts that you probably have the knowledge to do this too. Even a 138 percent OU electrical device should be capable of self-looping, because conversion losses can be made very small with good design. For example, a QMo-Gen that makes 38 percent more output power than input should be easily self-looped, because the drive motor can be as much as 90 or more percent efficient in turning input power to torque.

So if you want to claim that those devices and measurements are real and valid.... you should also be able to explain why none of them have ever been self-looped... and why their inventors are still paying electric bills on their homes.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 21, 2014, 02:35:46 AM
PCB,

Please check back to my posting again.  I improved the prose and made it clearer.  I don't think working back from 10 kilowatts is something to mention now.  Perhaps in a week or so if the posting stirs up controversy and you still have posting privileges.  I suggest that you post my new improved version and see what happens.

There is a chance that the posting will be deleted and you will be banned.  Such is life and the HopeStompers can't control the whole Internet.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 21, 2014, 02:43:40 AM
Descripttime,

I may look but I can't guarantee it.  My instincts are telling me "No!"  I pay no attention to the whole open system/closed system argument.  Note the over unity claim was made about 20 years ago and still nothing.  That should tell you something.

Imagine you have an ideal inductor in your hands made of pliable wire with current flowing through it.  As you change the shape of the wire, that changes the inductance, and therefore the current flow has to change to respect COE.

You see that every time you watch a figure skating competition on TV.  While the figure skater spins they can modulate their speed by moving their arms in and out.  That's an analog of the ideal inductor mentioned above.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 21, 2014, 03:35:25 AM
So what your saying is that this is really a cult? Facts. engineering truths and alike do not really matter here. I'm wondering if Jamie part of the cult or just a tool?

Not in the traditional sense of what you would consider to be a cult. But it is a growing community based around personal spirituality. Frequency and resonance are key here as they are important elements in their spiritual path to enlightenment. This is why the QEG project is so easily assimilated and supported by so many around the world.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on May 21, 2014, 04:06:37 AM
So what your saying is that this is really a cult? Facts. engineering truths and alike do not really matter here. I'm wondering if Jamie part of the cult or just a tool?

Not in the traditional sense of what you would consider to be a cult. But it is a growing community based around personal spirituality. Frequency and resonance are key here as they are important elements in their spiritual path to enlightenment. This is why the QEG project is so easily assimilated and supported by so many around the world.   


I have seen this many times from the Joe Cell supporters and even the Mylow Magentic motor fan club. They act and behave like a cult in many ways. Sad but true, and cults are an easy way to pander the ego and scam for money.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 21, 2014, 05:57:03 AM
PCB,

Here is a proposed posting for you:

Unfortunately this is a false alarm and the QEG is not producing over unity.  You do not use the peak-to-peak values for the voltage and the current to measure the power dissipation for the light bulb load.  The correct way to do it is to use one-half of the peak-to-peak values and then multiply them by 0.7071.  This gives you what is called the "RMS" (Root Mean Square) values for the voltage and current.

The power dissipated in the light bulb load is Vrms x Irms.

The reason you use RMS values is because this factors in the fact that higher voltages (or currents) give you disproportionally higher power dissipation levels.

1900 volts peak-to-peak, divided by two equals 950 volts.
950 volts times 0.7071 gives you 671.7 volts RMS
0.95 amps peak-to-peak divided by two gives you 0.475 amps.
0.475 amps times 0.7071 gives you 0.3359 amps RMS.
671.7 Volts RMS x 0.3359 Amps RMS = 226 watts
The electric motor is drawing 655 watts of power.
Therefore the efficiency of the QEG is 226/655 x 100 = 34.5%.


P.S.:  Rearranged one sentence and much better now.

And if opposition arises to the question of using RMS such as:
1.  We need to thing outside the box.
2.  That is the old wasteful oil cabal way of power wattage.
3.  Quantum does not work that way.

then state RMS is how the meter is measuring the motor power, in Watt mode as opposed to VA mode.  You trust RMS for the motor but not for the QEG?
Just in case, have that at the ready.

Another way of approaching the group is this, have them not use the kill-a-watt meter and instead manually measure the motor's power using the way they do, Peak to Peak.  When their erroneous calculation of a 240V 1000W motor (given power factor of 0.99) shows 7989W, what could the QEG group say to explain this away.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 21, 2014, 08:20:42 AM
You really need to take the time to review all of this information below.
FYI this is a quotes taken from this site. http://z13.invisionfree.com/HARD_Qs/index.php?showtopic=100

If you dig a bit, you will find that Naicheval Robitai, is Hopegirl's MOTHER (!!!)
So it seems she has raised money for a project "invented" by her father, or her mother's partner

Raising Money for a step-father's project.
: and not revealing the familial connection in the promotion - is NOT KOSHER imho!

This isn't funding a free energy project, its funding Hope Girl's bank account.
   
 
All about Hopegirl http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/about-hopegirl.html
Who's going to blow the whistle on her? For misappropriation of funds???
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: CANGAS on May 21, 2014, 10:45:29 AM
At first i was greatly cheered and hopeful. Because of the reference to Tesla technology, which I believe is probably correct.

But, as time goes by, there are far too many serious danger signs.

Tesla technology was VASTLY DIFFERENT  than conventional present day electrical technology. These Hopegirl (possible) (scammers) have only written of small variations of present day technology. 

And they seem to have vanished. Sucking pina coladas sitting on the beach in Bali Hai?

Next?


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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: CANGAS on May 21, 2014, 11:23:27 AM
In one of the videos, Jamie says that the QEG is a high voltage device, not a low voltage one as they had first thougth. Interesting statement since he supposedly had already built his own prototype. He then goes on to say that if they can get the output voltage up to 2KV and the current to 5 amps they will have their 10KW generator. Right from the beginning these guys have assumed that the output power is simply volts times amps. Jamie can not be an engineer. No engineer would do this for an AC system, but these guys do. Does anybody present at these gatherings even raise their hand and mention rms or power factor.  I for one have not heard these terms in any of their videos or seen them mentioned in blog posts of others reporting back to the masses. 
 
MileHigh did a great job of explaining things. I'd like to see a concise posting formulated and placed on the http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum. If you have posting privileges it will appear immediately. This posting should be screen captured and posted back here. If it later is removed this would indicated that they are knowingly scamming folks.

I would suggest that perhaps MileHigh should take the lead on preparing a concise power cal analysis. I have posting privileges and would be pleased to post it in response to Dave Starbuck Sunday, May 18, 2014 posting.


LOOK!
These (possible) HopeGirl scammers have traded on the Tesla name.

Tesla technology was based on very high frequency, very high voltage , parameters.

HopeGirl (possible) scammers are promoting low frequency, low voltage, technology.

No matter how many pink tutus you pin on the pig, it is still just a pig in a pink tutu.


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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 21, 2014, 01:26:45 PM
PCB,

Please check back to my posting again.  I improved the prose and made it clearer.  I don't think working back from 10 kilowatts is something to mention now.  Perhaps in a week or so if the posting stirs up controversy and you still have posting privileges.  I suggest that you post my new improved version and see what happens.

There is a chance that the posting will be deleted and you will be banned.  Such is life and the HopeStompers can't control the whole Internet.

MileHigh
 
Posted with a few editorial changes:
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 21, 2014, 02:28:33 PM
You've had a reply. Apparently there is another report from Robitaille of new measurements where he actually uses the term "RMS" and gives some details.

One continues to wonder about the elephant in the room: with all this "overunity" power output.... they still can't make it run itself. Even though any competent electrical engineer given, say, a 3000 watt electrical power source on the left end of the table and a 1000 watt electrical load on the right end of the table, can hook them together without much difficulty, no matter in what strange form the 3000 watt source is producing.

Pretty colored lines on an oscilloscope, and columns of spreadsheet numbers, do NOT equal "overunity"! If you are getting an output of three times the input and you still can't make a self-looped system... then you are not measuring something properly, you aren't holding your mouth right, or perhaps you just don't have enough colored clipleads. For sure... you don't have overunity, no matter what your self-generated numbers might say. There are many more ways to measure incorrectly than you have dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 21, 2014, 04:29:25 PM
You've had a reply. Apparently there is another report from Robitaille of new measurements where he actually uses the term "RMS" and gives some details.

One continues to wonder about the elephant in the room: with all this "overunity" power output.... they still can't make it run itself. Even though any competent electrical engineer given, say, a 3000 watt electrical power source on the left end of the table and a 1000 watt electrical load on the right end of the table, can hook them together without much difficulty, no matter in what strange form the 3000 watt source is producing.

Pretty colored lines on an oscilloscope, and columns of spreadsheet numbers, do NOT equal "overunity"! If you are getting an output of three times the input and you still can't make a self-looped system... then you are not measuring something properly, you aren't holding your mouth right, or perhaps you just don't have enough colored clipleads. For sure... you don't have overunity, no matter what your self-generated numbers might say. There are many more ways to measure incorrectly than you have dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio.


Well Jamie does mention 175W rms output in his latest posting so he certainly understands how power in calculated, less in fact then MileHigh estimated. That doesn't change the fact that HopeGirl started fund raising off of a bogus claim of overunity. Jamie now says they are getting 1590W RMS power output for 800W input. At least he is being somewhat more careful in his reporting. This is the first report I believe of excess power so self looping should be there next goal I would think. I wish them luck that they will achieve this shortly.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 21, 2014, 05:43:42 PM

Well Jamie does mention 175W rms output in his latest posting so he certainly understands how power in calculated, less in fact then MileHigh estimated. That doesn't change the fact that HopeGirl started fund raising off of a bogus claim of overunity. Jamie now says they are getting 1590W RMS power output for 800W input. At least he is being somewhat more careful in his reporting. This is the first report I believe of excess power so self looping should be there next goal I would think. I wish them luck that they will achieve this shortly.


Here's that link:  http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity#1677 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity#1677)


The world should just wait a while and give him a chance, instead of bad mouthing him from the start. James is no dummy. Too many people on these forums just wants to show that they understand some electricity principles like AC measurements and rms values. Maybe there are deeper things they don't understand?


cheers
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 21, 2014, 06:08:08 PM

Here's that link:  http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity#1677 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity#1677)


The world should just wait a while and give him a chance, instead of bad mouthing him from the start. James is no dummy. Too many people on these forums just wants to show that they understand some electricity principles like AC measurements and rms values. Maybe there are deeper things they don't understand?


cheers
chrisC
This part is not encouraging.  He insists that everyone should be using peak to peak values, and then he freely mixes in rms labels without stating whether he is still using peak values or has scaled them.  He makes no statement as to how he is measuring his input power.  If he is reading it from an instrument like a "Kill-a-Watt", that instrument does not report peak to peak voltage times peak to peak current. 

There is no good reason not to use consistent measurements.  Is this choice to mix in peak to peak voltage and current readings a problem with naivete, or is it an intentional effort to mislead?

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Here's what I've got so far. Firstly, I want to make sure we're all using peak readings at this point. Can you confirm? So here is the data from 3100 turn coils loop wired as secondary: At 2588 RPM (173Hz output frequency), for 1000W input (at the wall), I'm getting 3000W output. At 600W input, It's 1360W, and at 500W in, I've got 836W out. I'm using roughly the same cap value in series (167nF) as the original config., with the six 100W, 240 volt lamps in the loop as the load. So it's just the original C value, in series with the six lamps. For the 350 turn coils loop, I'm using 14.2uF in series, with no R value in the loop. I don't have any high wattage variable resistors here, but I have an 1800 W (30 ohms) heating element that I want to try in the circuit today.

I may be able to move the tap on the heating element... Some things I've noticed: With this configuration, I've actually got 3 resonances as I spin up the rotor (to 2588 RPM). The 1st and 2nd do not phase lock (I can dial right through) and are multi-phasic (power going back and forth as Jeremy mentions), and when I get to the 2588 RPM main resonance, the phase lock is amazing! I can vary the input power between about 500W to over 1000W and RPM change is less than 5. If I increase the cap value (to about 200nF), I get a resonance at very low RPM (about 1200) that really locks in, and has even more power (measured 4200W), but there is some sinewave distortion (peaks are not all the same amplitude) and it's really too slow mechanically. The main resonance has a clean sinewave.

I remembered Evens said there was also power in the 350 turn coils (as primary) with this configuration, so I decided to see how much... and this was a big surprise... at 86Hz (half of output frequency), I measured 9,460W with 600W input, and 13,326W at 800W input! I verified with a current probe, and there is over 6 amps in the circuit! At 800W input, this is about 1590W RMS - enough to power the motor. I measured the output from the 350 turn loop previously with the original configuration, and with 700W input, I had only 1,836W peak (about 175W RMS).
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 21, 2014, 07:03:46 PM
This part is not encouraging.  He insists that everyone should be using peak to peak values...


Mark:
I really don't think you should intentionally misread him. He was just making sure everyone started with some basis measurement that every scope reads ie peak values; after all not everyone has rms enabled sampling scopes. Chill out. Wait for a while for more solid measurements before pouring hot oil on some hard working soul. As for Hope girl, I can't speak for her - she's probably delusional on some cult goddess.
cheers,
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on May 21, 2014, 07:07:04 PM

The world should just wait a while and give him a chance.........................



Agreed, the world should wait ( Including STOPPING funding ) until such time that something which has been promised or CLAIMED is achieved.


But wait, haven’t we already hit that point.

According to James himself in Sterling Allan’s video interview with him and HopeForMoreFundingGirl back in April
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ
at  20:28 – James states that he has already tested it up to 9300 watts  (he corrected himself from 10 Kw, so obviously that is not an estimation of what is possible, but what has been achieved).
He claims 10 more out than in. Not in theory, but already achieved.

And that all it needs is a simple inverter to self loop. He makes it sound like it would take no more than an hour or so to achieve. But they were just so excited to share their discovery……………….

Has James put an inverter on his completed build?     9.3 Kw achieved remember.
Haven’t Taiwan put an inverter on their completed build?
And the hum-dinger for me:      Have the 3000 plus (claimed at the gofundme site) engineers from China that worked with them in Taiwan (all sorts of visa issues stated on the video) had time to follow up on this? Would be fairly simple for 3000 engineers to get this going if you have already gone to the trouble of international travel in this involvement.

So since claims have been that OU has been achieved, it must be time to start examining those claims and all associated evidence.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on May 21, 2014, 08:07:41 PM

He was just making sure everyone started with some basis measurement that every scope reads ie peak values; after all not everyone has rms enabled sampling scopes. Chill out.


So are you saying that maybe not everyone has RMS capable measuring technology?
Fair enough.
So everyone should use peak – to –peak values for both output AND INPUT.
Agree ?

So why is that kill-a-watt device in the “Morrocco overunity achieved” video measuring RMS input.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0 at 1:35

It is used (incorrectly) as the evidence that overunity has been achieved, and to subsequently source more funds.

Please re-read (and digest) post #1034 by TK that explains all about output power.
Once you understand that output power is “drawn” by the load, it may become obvious why some dimly lit bulbs highlight the issues with the output power claims.
We can clearly (visually) see the evidence (without the need for misrepresented scope and / or meter measurements).
At 0:14
In the video above, 6 bulbs of around 100 W stated rating are drawing less than 60 percent of their max load.  Output power anyone ?  Is it over 655 rms as measured with the “kill-a-watt”.

So I bench tested with the same bulb setup (I only had a box of 75 Watters, but visually, theirs were slightly more dimly lit than mine), whereby the last bulb only just light up as evidenced in the videos. Guess what power was being drawn ?
Hint : it was within 10 watts of one of the values given in MH’s post #1021
I can also tell you it was not in the range 600 to 700 W

If you want to wait and ignore the evidence, fine.
But it is so blatant, and somewhat surprisingly (to me at least) is pointing to the fact that James knows fully well what is going on judging by his words and actions.
I first thought it was the girl that was leading the fraud, either willfully or through ignorance.
But now I know that James is not the claimed skilled Engineer or is a fully paid up, card carrying member of the scam team.
These are very basic mistakes and hence are being willfully made.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 21, 2014, 08:09:02 PM
@MileHigh

I just read the youtube comments on that latest overunity claim video from the user accounts "user2718218" (assuming MileHigh) and "EsotericScience ."
"EsotericScience ." right off the back said you are calculating RMS incorrectly.  But it looks like you have a victory in clearing up the misconceptions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0

The poster made the mistake of combining divisor 1/2 * 1/2 = 1/2(error).  Correct is 1/4
The poster made the mistake of combining multiplier 0.707 * 0.707 = 0.707(error).  Correct is 0.499

(2000Vpp/2)0.707 x (1Vpp/2)0.707
Claimed
(2000Vpp x 1App)/2 x (.707) = incorrect 707Wrms

Should be
(2000Vpp x 1App)/2^2 x (.707^2) = correct 250Wrms

If you may, ask "EsotericScience .", I use the space dot name because seems to be multiple accounts, are you aware of this misconception and for how long has this misconception been going?  What would be even better is to have the user safely measure on an oscilloscope  the peak volts and amps of a 100W light bulb and compare that to a kill-a-watt meter.  But then again if the user could perform that it shows the power of the mysticism the QUANTUM has over people.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 21, 2014, 08:20:58 PM
@MileHigh

I just read the youtube comments on that latest overunity claim video from the user accounts "user2718218" (assuming MileHigh) and "EsotericScience ."
"EsotericScience ." right off the back said you are calculating RMS incorrectly.  But it looks like you have a victory in clearing up the misconceptions.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0

The poster made the mistake of combining divisor 1/2 * 1/2 = 1/2(error).  Correct is 1/4
The poster made the mistake of combining multiplier 0.707 * 0.707 = 0.707(error).  Correct is 0.499

(2000Vpp/2)0.707 x (1Vpp/2)0.707
Claimed
(2000Vpp x 1App)/2 x (.707) = incorrect 707Wrms

Should be
(2000Vpp x 1App)/2^2 x (.707^2) = correct 250Wrms

If you may, ask "EsotericScience .", I use the space dot name because seems to be multiple accounts, are you aware of this misconception and for how long has this misconception been going?  What would be even better is to have the user safely measure on an oscilloscope  the peak volts and amps of a 100W light bulb and compare that to a kill-a-watt meter.  But then again if the user could perform that it shows the power of the mysticism the QUANTUM has over people.
VPP*IPP = 2*20.5Vrms*2*20.5Irms = 8*VA.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 21, 2014, 08:34:42 PM

Here's that link:  http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity#1677 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity#1677)


The world should just wait a while and give him a chance, instead of bad mouthing him from the start. James is no dummy. Too many people on these forums just wants to show that they understand some electricity principles like AC measurements and rms values. Maybe there are deeper things they don't understand?


cheers
chrisC

chrisC, what is not you before I made the comment on the Wait See virus?  I will have to do a scour search.  But for the now in short form.  Existing Running Working Over Unity.  Again, what is it you are waiting for again?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 21, 2014, 08:41:36 PM

Mark:
I really don't think you should intentionally misread him. He was just making sure everyone started with some basis measurement that every scope reads ie peak values; after all not everyone has rms enabled sampling scopes. Chill out. Wait for a while for more solid measurements before pouring hot oil on some hard working soul. As for Hope girl, I can't speak for her - she's probably delusional on some cult goddess.
cheers,
chrisC

Are you referring to any DSO scopes that do not have rms enabled?  And why mention what others may or may not have.  And from where do you derive James was making sure of anything.  There are people who do not own a pair of shoes.  What does this have to do with James?.  Again this Wait See virus has taken hold of you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 21, 2014, 08:44:20 PM

Agreed, the world should wait ( Including STOPPING funding ) until such time that something which has been promised or CLAIMED is achieved.


But wait, haven’t we already hit that point.

According to James himself in Sterling Allan’s video interview with him and HopeForMoreFundingGirl back in April
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ
at  20:28 – James states that he has already tested it up to 9300 watts  (he corrected himself from 10 Kw, so obviously that is not an estimation of what is possible, but what has been achieved).
He claims 10 more out than in. Not in theory, but already achieved.

And that all it needs is a simple inverter to self loop. He makes it sound like it would take no more than an hour or so to achieve. But they were just so excited to share their discovery……………….

Has James put an inverter on his completed build?     9.3 Kw achieved remember.
Haven’t Taiwan put an inverter on their completed build?
And the hum-dinger for me:      Have the 3000 plus (claimed at the gofundme site) engineers from China that worked with them in Taiwan (all sorts of visa issues stated on the video) had time to follow up on this? Would be fairly simple for 3000 engineers to get this going if you have already gone to the trouble of international travel in this involvement.

So since claims have been that OU has been achieved, it must be time to start examining those claims and all associated evidence.

People infected with the Wait See virus cannot process the claim of an Existing Running Working Over Unity machine.  Ignoring history is the symptom of the sickness.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 21, 2014, 08:57:21 PM

Mark:
I really don't think you should intentionally misread him. He was just making sure everyone started with some basis measurement that every scope reads ie peak values; after all not everyone has rms enabled sampling scopes. Chill out. Wait for a while for more solid measurements before pouring hot oil on some hard working soul. As for Hope girl, I can't speak for her - she's probably delusional on some cult goddess.
cheers,
chrisC
I read his words very carefully.  My post did not misread or misrepresent his statements.  He started out asking for peak measurements.  Then he switched to talking about input measurements that ostensibly come from the "Kill-a-Watt" device which does not report Watts as the product of peak to peak voltage and current.  Then he switched to talking about rms power without even a peep of whether he had applied any conversion from his peak to peak measurements.  All that ambiguity came from James.  Even $400. digital scopes perform rms calculations.

The recent Morocco video offers clues as to what is going on.  In the video clip the "Kill-a-Watt" measured input power at 655W, the scope read 1900VPP and 920mA - 1APP, indicating ~250VA.  James and Dave joyfully declared that demonstrated ~36% efficiency result was over unity.  James had complete control over what measurements to take and how to interpret those measurements.  His conclusions were completely wrong.  Does that mean he hasn't the slightest clue as to what he is doing, that he is actively scamming or both?  Does it matter when we can see that what he declares as over unity does not even exhibit pedestrian efficiency?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 21, 2014, 09:05:27 PM
So are you saying that maybe not everyone has RMS capable measuring technology?
Fair enough.
So everyone should use peak – to –peak values for both output AND INPUT.
Agree ?

So why is that kill-a-watt device in the “Morrocco overunity achieved” video measuring RMS input.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0) at 1:35

It is used (incorrectly) as the evidence that overunity has been achieved, and to subsequently source more funds.

Please re-read (and digest) post #1034 by TK that explains all about output power.
Once you understand that output power is “drawn” by the load, it may become obvious why some dimly lit bulbs highlight the issues with the output power claims.
We can clearly (visually) see the evidence (without the need for misrepresented scope and / or meter measurements).
At 0:14
In the video above, 6 bulbs of around 100 W stated rating are drawing less than 60 percent of their max load.  Output power anyone ?  Is it over 655 rms as measured with the “kill-a-watt”.

So I bench tested with the same bulb setup (I only had a box of 75 Watters, but visually, theirs were slightly more dimly lit than mine), whereby the last bulb only just light up as evidenced in the videos. Guess what power was being drawn ?
Hint : it was within 10 watts of one of the values given in MH’s post #1021
I can also tell you it was not in the range 600 to 700 W

If you want to wait and ignore the evidence, fine.
But it is so blatant, and somewhat surprisingly (to me at least) is pointing to the fact that James knows fully well what is going on judging by his words and actions.
I first thought it was the girl that was leading the fraud, either willfully or through ignorance.
But now I know that James is not the claimed skilled Engineer or is a fully paid up, card carrying member of the scam team.
These are very basic mistakes and hence are being willfully made.
@PIH123
I really don't have a lot of time but i will try to respond to your post above.
No good engineer would measure output power based on light bulbs. Standard practices have already been 'taught' by electrical engineering text books and also from the likes of TK. I don't know enough of what James is doing in details to comment further on his power measurements. That said, all of you can either wait until proper results are released and then start your finger pointing exercise or continue what you're doing - after all it's a public forum and nobody knows you're a dog on the other side of the web browser. But just assuming the QEG is a standard transformer should tell you not to waste your time. As for ACG, I don't understand your English and can't comment further.
cheers,
chrisC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 21, 2014, 09:33:09 PM
@ChrisC:
You seem to be missing something: the measurements we see in the video are _perfectly valid_ for what they are. And what they actually indicate is an output of about 250W. We don't need to "wait for good measurements", as long as we are shown the raw data from correctly positioned probes with correct settings on the scope. James Robitaille can point to those measurements and make false claims about what they indicate.... but this is not a problem with the measurements!

More precise measurements can certainly be made. Actual power analyzers could and should be used... but why bother? When you are presented with a device that hovers around 100 or 102 percent efficiency, then you need to break out the "big guns". When you have a device that measures roughly 35 percent non-OU and the only indications of OU come from the claimant's blatant misinterpreting of his own data.... a 400 dollar scope and a Rogowski coil current transformer are going to get you close enough for "due diligence".

And nowadays, MarkE's estimate is way too large: even 100 dollar DSOs can calculate RMS values from a trace.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 21, 2014, 09:56:33 PM
@ChrisC:
You seem to be missing something: the measurements we see in the video are _perfectly valid_ for what they are. And what they actually indicate is an output of about 250W. We don't need to "wait for good measurements", as long as we are shown the raw data from correctly positioned probes with correct settings on the scope. James Robitaille can point to those measurements and make false claims about what they indicate.... but this is not a problem with the measurements!

More precise measurements can certainly be made. Actual power analyzers could and should be used... but why bother? When you are presented with a device that hovers around 100 or 102 percent efficiency, then you need to break out the "big guns". When you have a device that measures roughly 35 percent non-OU and the only indications of OU come from the claimant's blatant misinterpreting of his own data.... a 400 dollar scope and a Rogowski coil current transformer are going to get you close enough for "due diligence".

And nowadays, MarkE's estimate is way too large: even 100 dollar DSOs can calculate RMS values from a trace.
$400. is for a standalone scope.  I didn't want to quote a USB scope price and get into a silly battle over the price not including the PC. 

I see absolutely no reason that they report their output values using peak rather than rms values.  Their scope reports rms.  If someone did not have rms reporting equipment, then it is easy enough to instruct them how to convert peak sine wave values to their rms values.  Recording in different units invites error and misinterpretation.  Is it just happen stance that the FTW people massively misinterpret their measurements so as to report over unity when they really have just very poor efficiency?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 21, 2014, 10:32:04 PM
Yes I have a little battery powered hand held nano scope and it can calculate RMS fairly well at up to a few kHz.

They are using the measurements to claim OU, and have already claimed OU, previously even though they don't seem to be able to show anything even approaching 50% efficient yet.

Either they can make the measurements already or they lied about the OU they claimed to have already, before asking for donations, or they are trying on a ruse or they have no idea what they are measuring. There may be other possibilities but none that would make them look good.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 21, 2014, 10:45:12 PM
There are at least two possible interpretations, one more charitable than the other.

Giving Robitaille the benefit of the doubt: He had a vision, a revelation, a spiritual awakening. The "fact" that the QEG would work as claimed was revealed to him by a higher power. This is documented somewhere in the maze of blogs and forums that HopeGirl has set up over the past year. His utter faith, combined with the usual psychological observer biases, cause him to exhibit some characteristic behaviours. Contrary evidence is considered to be invalid or is simply ignored. Demonstrations that "prove" claims are performed instead of true experiments that actually examine the claims and the relationships between experimental variables. Data that appears to support the claims is accepted without question while data that does not is "wrong", the apparatus isn't working right or some other reason is found to disregard it. Protestations are made that for some reason ordinary measurement techniques must be modified in order to provide data that supports the claim. True experts in the field are ignored or not given proper consideration, because after all, the original information came from a Higher Source. So the process boils down to one of self-delusion, with religious overtones. As Richard Feynman probably didn't really say, "The easiest person to fool is yourself." And when one is surrounded by a support group that doesn't think critically or have the education or experience to examine the claims honestly for themselves, the delusional process snowballs. The next step is full-blown cult status.

On the other hand.... a less charitable interpretation gives Robitaille the engineer, 20 years at ShopVac Corp. with motor patents and lots of bench time..... full credit and faith that he knows exactly what he is doing wrt power measurements and all the rest of it, knows exactly that the early QEG claim to have a working prototype running for 150 hours.... working meaning _self-running as claimed_ .... is false and was made to drum up interest and donations, and is having a grand old time, vacationing in exotic places, keeping his own hours for a change and tinkering with a cheering section instead of slaving on assigned projects with deadlines and supervisors. In short, James Robitaille the experienced engineer is conducting an operation that he knows full well will not and cannot succeed, and he's having the veritable time of his life doing it, and it's not costing him, personally, a cent. He's Famous! He's travelling the world! He's met by cheering crowds whenever he gets off an airplane, and his schedule is so tightly planned that he's long gone... as from Taiwan... by the time anyone figures out they've been had, bigtime. And like all con marks world wide since cons began, those conned in Taiwan aren't about to come out and talk about it, demonstrating how gullible and naive they were.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on May 22, 2014, 01:36:49 AM
The illusion grows


By Dave Starbuck Sunday, May 18, 2014[/font][/size]Source: [/size]www.allegedlydave.com/blog.htm?article_id=5 (http://www.allegedlydave.com/blog.htm?article_id=5)[/font][/size]I, like millions of other people around the world, read the announcement of the open sourcing of a free energy device back in march with a little skepticism, (I’ve been banging on for quite some time that inventors should just ’put it out there’ rather than try and make themselves rich with their invention, and yet here it and I was still skeptical... go figure) but I have been following its progress with mounting excitement, wishing that I could be a part of this historic venture and no sooner than I got back to base I was. A package of test equipment needed to be taken over to Morocco and it was thought that the courier needed to be someone who could provide a little assistance to Jamie Robitaille the developer of the Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) and next thing I knew I was a plane to MoroccoI arrived in Tangiers, expecting to be met at the airport by a Moroccan friend of Youssef, the QEG team’s "Fixer", I couldnt say that I was looking forward to a two hour trip with a man that I had no hope of communicating with, although, being met in Tangiers airport by a Moroccan driver holding a sign that read "Mr. Starbuck" would have been cool.I had skillfully negotiated the surly looking gendarmes and their associates that looked for all intents and purposes like secret police, (not so skillfully, in hindsight, now that I know that I apparently look like a Moroccan) but now, with the exit gate a mere arms length away, I was halted by a border guard who seemed mildly interested to find out what was in the large instrument case I dragged behind me, filled with oscilloscopes, multimeters, high voltage probes and various other terrorist paraphernalia that would have whipped up American TSA agents into a frenzy and sent them scrambling for their tasers, rubber gloves and KY Jelly. Thankfully, I had been briefed on how to handle this situation, I was given the cover story that it was equipment for use in a humanitarian project to build a water pump to bring water to the impoverished village of Aoucham, and I felt confident that I could deliver a convincingly casual performance that would not arouse suspicion. The guard seemed so laid back that I probably could have said "Don’t worry mate, it’s just meters and shit" and he would have rolled his eyes and waved me through, but unfortunately the border guard began asking me questions in French and it was only then that I realised that my near fluent command of the French language, that I had enjoyed two decades earlier, had degenerated to the point where I could barely describe a monkey sitting in a tree (le singe est dans l’arbre... yeah baby I still got it )[/size]I managed to explain through a combination of hand gestures and broken, schoolboy french that the case was sealed with metal tags that would require cutting off and that I had no hope of explaining what was in it and now the guard was starting to get agitated, his hand kept straying toward his radio and I began to wonder what life in a Moroccan prison would be like, but then I was saved, Jamie Robitalle himself and an american woman called Whitney (who spoke perfect French) had come to meet me at the airport, and even though, disappointingly, they were not carrying a "Mr. Starbuck" sign, they were able to have us quickly on our way.Jamie is a humble, unassuming man with a seemingly perpetual smile and the gentle demeanour of a beloved maths teacher, and the three of us were engaged in easy conversation that evaporated our two hour journey to QEG headquarters, it was at this point that I learned that while the QEG had achieved resonance, it had not yet achieved over-unity, that is, it was still consuming more power than it generated. Even though my role was little more than a courier, I offered my services as Jamie’s assistant and silently stated my intention to see over-unity before I went home.I arrived at "The Sanctuary" at 4:00am and a few hours later I was up and being introduced to the members of the community as an honoured guest, and since it was a Sunday there was not much work that would be done and so I found myself slipping into the easy flow of the community as I participated in their activities as if I’d always been a part of them.The following day Jamie explained how he had approached Timothy Thrapp from the WITTS "Christian" Ministry who, despite their altruistic claims of releasing free energy to the world, demanded $400 for one hour of his time. Jamie was able to get a basic understanding of this replication of Tesla’s work, but it was clear that he was leaving out a lot of information and being intentionally vague about what he did share, and when Jamie compared notes with someone else, who had paid handsomely for the privilege, there were several contidictions. It also became obvious that the intent was to seduce customers into repeated "donations" to the Ministry. Moreover, when Thrapp learned of Jamie’s intent to open source the technology, relations between them became frosty.Then I had my first live demo of the QEG, it was loud like an power router, and as it achieved reonance there was a harsh sounding rattle and it did indeed perform distinctly under unity, Jamie showed me his meticulous records of trials of varying rotor speeds and capacitance values and explained his hitherto failure to find a "sweet spot" combination.The QEG was, at this point, working at unity, that is, it was producing the same amount of power as it was consuming, which in itself is an astounding achievement since the generators that supply our power now consume something in the region of 18 watts in order to generate 10 watts.Later, Jamie began a new series of experiments with much larger arrays of capacitors and testing the location of a grounding wire. My assistance largely took the form of getting in the way and asking far too many questions.On my third day working with the QEG, I was privileged to sit in on a Skype call between Jamie and a German team who are also developing a QEG, some data was exchanged and an accord was reached to have closer ties and regular catch up meetings.By the fifth day Jamie’s dogged persistence had paid off, he ran a new sequence where the QEG would initially power the load of six 100 watt light bulbs, he would the add a solar array inverter (high voltage input) to the load and once it initialised he would disconnect the bulbs and the QEG would be running the inverter, unfortunately the badly regulated Moroccan mains power would alter the QEG output and send the inverter into a diagnostic mode, and on the rare occasion that we successfully ran the inverter we soon discovered that the new Earth configuration caused a ground fault condition and would trip the main breaker.Eventually this new configuration was tried sucessfully with all the new test equipment I’d brought hooked up, oscilloscopes were oscillating, meters were metering and high voltage probes were probing, the input power meter was showing that the QEG was drawing 600 Watts, the output voltage was holding steady at 380 volts and the output current was peaking at just under 2.4 amps... Jamie began muttering about adjusting the values of the capacitor array, but then my maths skills, that are as sharp as wet spaghetti, kicked in it was outputting just under 900 watts.... in other words...OVER-UNITY!Not an awful lot over but over-unity nonetheless; Jamie smiled and almost reluctantly agreed. I suggested that since the inverter was now capable of running the drive motor we should aim at having the QEG running in self powered mode, Jamie however, was far more cautious, but he wired up the changeover switch nonetheless.[/size]On day six, Jamie had been in communication with a QEG team in Canada who had some interesting ideas regarding treating the primary winding as the secondary and drawing power from that winding instead, we studied the new schematics but they didn’t seem to make a lot of sense, but then we mused about the tecniques and methodology one might employ to hide a simple solution, stretching it out so that customers would keep coming back for more, but without making it seem like the customer was being tricked and bled dry and we agreed that switching the primary and secondary might well fit the bill, so Jamie set about rewiring the QEG.Day seven, my last day. Jamie had been up late the previous night talking to the Canadian team and he wasn’t around by lunchtime, so I went to Oued Lou, the nearest town with a group from the community, but by the time I arrived back Jamie had already finished rewiring the QEG and was already reporting a significant voltage in the primary in the 1-1.5kv range, and was busy adding a bank of capacitors to the primary winding as per the Canadian design, we didnt have a variable resistor to place in series with the capacitor bank as the design specified but Jamie tried it anyway. The difference was immediately noticeable, the QEG began to resonate at a much lower RPM around 1625rpm, the loud jarring rattle that had characterised the QEG at resonance had been replaced by a gentle purring as it ran far more smoothly and easily than ever before.The QEG was drawing 500 watts, the secondary was still powering its 600 watt load of light bulbs and yet on the primary side we were reading nearly 2000 volts at 1 amp. If I had gone by Jamie’s furrowed expression alone I might have missed the fact that he had just achieved serious over-unity 500 Watts in and 2000 Watts out... I had to rouse him from his deep contemplation of how to reach his target of 10Kw to remind him to celebrate the fact that he had actually achieved 2.6Kw... I managed to get a high five out of him before he resumed his tinkering.The QEG achieves Over-Unity!!At this point, about 1:30 am, members of the community, sensing that something of importance had occurred began to gather in the workshop, more were awakened to witness the event, a rousing round of applause went up for Jamie and we all tucked into Over-unity cake, baked specially for that moment.So the next step will be to make the QEG self running from the secondary windings stepping down the voltage using a transformer from a high power microwave oven.Breaking News:[/size] Hot off the press!!!I just spoke to Jamie and he mentioned that he has now achieved 3kW output, that’s six times over unity![/size]
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on May 22, 2014, 01:56:44 AM
I also think that either Robitaille is no engineer and does not know
how to measure AC correctly or this is really
a scam on purpose to try to scam the most money out of hopeful
people...

I am looking forward to see a video about the things
he has written here to see, how he has measured this...

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity#1677

Until then I would advise everybody to stop any no further donations for now...


Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 22, 2014, 02:22:08 AM
Great contributions from many people.  I just have a little bit of colour commentary.  Hopefully for a few smiles.

Some select pickings from James' big posting:

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The 1st and 2nd do not phase lock (I can dial right through) and are multi-phasic (power going back and forth as Jeremy mentions)

Multi-phasic?  This is not electrical engineering speak.  It's more like "eager free energy experimenter with no relevant education or experience" speak.  Set your Phasers on "Dumb!"

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I measured 9,460W with 600W input, and 13,326W at 800W input

Thirteen thousand watts!  The bench must have caught fire!  They must have got singed from the radiant heat!

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At 800W input, this is about 1590W RMS


Some people made the same mistake here but James is the one that has to be responsible for what he says.  To say "RMS power" is a no-no.  In theory you can calculate "RMS power" but there is no logical reason to do that. When you deal with AC power, what is implicit is that you are talking about average power.  "RMS voltage" or "RMS current" makes sense.  "RMS power" should never have been uttered by James, especially considering his alleged long experience as an engineer.

Notice also that his first ever mention of "RMS" came after the posting showing the under unity calculation made in onto the Be-Do forum.  (Thanks and we made it by the censors!)

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and with 700W input, I had only 1,836W peak (about 175W RMS)

I need an RMS, oops I mean RMA number for my core!  lol

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We need to better understand the interaction between the primary and secondary, and how to optimally tune the loops.

I will translate that:  Every single QEG group across the world is going to undergo three or four months of excruciating and agonizing trial and error tests where they try every single possible combination of caps and coils and numbers of turns of wire until they collapse from frustration and exhaustion.

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Interfacing to the real world brings up another item I've been wanting to mention to you guys: Judging from Witts latest (full version) video, the lack of any discernable change in resonance/sound/RPM etc. as he turns on lamp after lamp leads me to believe there is a constant impedance load on the output. In other words, I think the generator is operated at full power, full time, and the load is completely isolated from the output circuit (transformer or inductor as load), and all the power is pulled out of the secondary.

I can't bend my mind around that statement.  I thought that if you were switching on more lamps then you were changing the impedance of the load.  But hey, if you can actually believe one of the WITTS hillbillies then you need Jethro Bodine on your team.

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I will be back on around 6pm. Leave me your questions here, and I'll pick them up through the day and we can discuss tonight.

The average Be-Doer is going to say, "Throw some crystals at the thing and run it sitting in a shallow tub of structured water!"

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 22, 2014, 03:40:02 AM
Earlier I said that their measurements in that video were "perfectly adequate". What I meant was that they can be taken at face value and interpreted correctly to give a valid conclusion: no OU is present and efficiency is actually rather low.

However there are other considerations. After thinking about it and reviewing their physical setup and layout, I can say this: some of their measured amplitudes may be spurious as well. Long unshielded wires dangling all over the place, a current transformer Rogowski coil with a 50-ohm BNC connection hooked up through an adapter and clipped to a scope probe by unshielded wires.... the big HV probe just sitting on the table with wires all over the place.... it's a nightmare of stray inductance and will almost certainly be giving artifact-ridden measurements.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 22, 2014, 04:02:49 AM
The debate is over: on PESN
 Stuart Campbell Mod • 2 hours ago

From Dave Starbruck...

Breaking News: Hot off the press!!!
I just spoke to Jamie and he mentioned that he has now achieved 3kW output, that’s six times over unity!

We all know that Jamie is never wrong.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 22, 2014, 04:45:25 AM
The debate is over: on PESN
 Stuart Campbell Mod • 2 hours ago

From Dave Starbruck...

Breaking News: Hot off the press!!!
I just spoke to Jamie and he mentioned that he has now achieved 3kW output, that’s six times over unity!

We all know that Jamie is never wrong.

So what's the current excuse (no pun intended...) for the stone cold glaringly obvious fact that the device _still_ cannot be self-looped, to provide its own power to the drive motor?

Are there no microwave ovens that can be gutted for their transformers in Morocco?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 22, 2014, 05:04:07 AM
The debate is over: on PESN
 Stuart Campbell Mod • 2 hours ago

From Dave Starbruck...

Breaking News: Hot off the press!!!
I just spoke to Jamie and he mentioned that he has now achieved 3kW output, that’s six times over unity!

We all know that Jamie is never wrong.
The article was far more circumspect than Stuart's comments.  Sterling quoted someone from somewhere on Facebook who calls himself  John Gomez.  Sterling agreed with Gomez who recited the 8:1 ratio of the product of VPEAK * IPEAK to VA for sinusoidal voltage and current.  The math is trivial enough:  (2*20.5)2 = 8. 

It never ceases to amaze me how people believe what they want.  A few days ago FTW put out the video Sterling included in the article where it is blatant that the best case output power was 250VA, only ~36% of the "Kill-a-Watt's" reported input power.  Jamie and Dave ecstatically declared that terrible result as over unity.  Now just a couple of days later people choose to believe that because Jamie is again claiming over unity and with no video or other evidence to see on what basis he makes that claim that somehow this time he is right.  These are the folks that fall into James Randi's infamous "believers" class.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 22, 2014, 06:41:06 AM
In Jamie's recent report http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity) he says:

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Interfacing to the real world brings up another item I've been wanting to mention to you guys: Judging from Witts latest (full version) video, the lack of any discernable change in resonance/sound/RPM etc. as he turns on lamp after lamp leads me to believe there is a constant impedance load on the output. In other words, I think the generator is operated at full power, full time, and the load is completely isolated from the output circuit (transformer or inductor as load), and all the power is pulled out of the secondary. This transformer/inductor load may also be a 3rd resonant (tuned) circuit on the generator side. And possibly, this may need to be set up first, before trying to tune in to the 'sweet spot' (original configuration).[/font][/size]


Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the idea of the tank circuit on the output of the QEG was intended to do just that, that is place the unit under constant load. Correctly tuned (I assume around 400 hz) the tank circuit looks like a pure resistive load, but does not consume power. The last bit of what he says make no sense to me, as his light bulbs are a constant impedance load. If and when he adds a transformer it would replace the tank circuit and he will need to add capacitance. Oh why do I bother....

Its a bit frustrating in that we really have no idea what the present configuration looks like, and the purpose of the tank circuit seems to have been ignored completely, or at least that's how it appears to me. I think that perhaps Jamie has missed the significance of the tank circuit in the design.  This hardly feels open source, not unless you pay them $200 - $300K I guess.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 22, 2014, 09:12:39 AM
In Jamie's recent report http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity) he says:


Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought the idea of the tank circuit on the output of the QEG was intended to do just that, that is place the unit under constant load. Correctly tuned (I assume around 400 hz) the tank circuit looks like a pure resistive load, but does not consume power. The last bit of what he says make no sense to me, as his light bulbs are a constant impedance load. If and when he adds a transformer it would replace the tank circuit and he will need to add capacitance. Oh why do I bother....

Its a bit frustrating in that we really have no idea what the present configuration looks like, and the purpose of the tank circuit seems to have been ignored completely, or at least that's how it appears to me. I think that perhaps Jamie has missed the significance of the tank circuit in the design.  This hardly feels open source, not unless you pay them $200 - $300K I guess.

Welcome to the QEG version of so called Open Source.  Where you get to pay 300 an hour for a skype consultation.  No update of instruction manual.  No clear diagram of test points.  Information sparsely leaked out on third party blogs, and no updates from the original source making the claim: FTW project domain and hopegirl wordpress.  Other than Got Resonance!! of course.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on May 22, 2014, 01:31:28 PM
Thanks for yours criticals comments.

New step for FixTheWord  ...  Perou:
http://xi4.com/nikola-telsa-q-e-g/
 
I have post there, to report the QEG fails!
See the attachement!

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 22, 2014, 04:22:08 PM
@isim Your a bit late to the party. They are starting to use rms values in their actual power calculations, moreover they claim to now have achieved overunity.


http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity)


I already posted want what you just posted which can be sean here  http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/386-qeg-morocco-overunity?start=12  together with few comments back. This is not a very active forum, just a handful of postings each day. You can see them here:
 
This is old news now, and I'm waiting for more details on their new power readings, if and when they provide them. It does not behoove use to keep beating the same drum, the point has already been made and recieved several days ago.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 22, 2014, 05:39:10 PM
@isim Your a bit late to the party. They are starting to use rms values in their actual power calculations, moreover they claim to now have achieved overunity.
We don't know what they are using for their calculations.  We know only that they are now labeling some reported values as rms.
Quote


http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/393-qeg-morocco-overunity)

The message from James freely mixes different power measurement methods.  There is no telling whether the correct normalization was performed prior to making comparisons.
Quote


I already posted want what you just posted which can be sean here  [size=78%]http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/386-qeg-morocco-overunity?start=12[/size] together with few comments back. This is not a very active forum, just a handful of postings each day. You can see them here:
 
This is old news now, and I'm waiting for more details on their new power readings, if and when they provide them. It does not behoove use to keep beating the same drum, the point has already been made and recieved several days ago.
The point has been made.  AFAIK, FTW has not done anything to clear up the muck that they have stirred.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 22, 2014, 06:06:38 PM
Quote
The message from James freely mixes different power measurement methods.  There is no telling whether the correct normalization was performed prior to making comparisons.


Its fine to mixed things along as your clear.  If you are going to use peak-to-peak values use the term instantaneous power.  The mistake Dave made was to failed to understand that the power meter on the input side measured true rms value, while he did the math use the instantaneous power value for the output. But we have gone through this already ad nauseum.  It needs also to be said that all the posted analysis only applies to sinusoidal waveforms. Its highly likely that the QEG produces harmonics, so the output voltage and current are not strictly sinusoidal, but good enough.


Not really sure what you mean by "the correct normalization", unless your referring to the current sensor. What is clear from the latest Jamie posting it they are claiming overunity, where he did quote the actual power out put to be 1590W for an input of 800W, 2x overunity. However, like every body else, the real proof of onverunity is if they can self loop it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: FR Turbo on May 22, 2014, 06:30:41 PM
I've been lurking for a while on this forum, while following the QEG development.  Just a background, I have a BS EE and my PE in EE/Power but that really doesn't mean jack because A) I wasn't the greatest student B) I haven't really used anything I learned since graduating C) that was almost 20 years ago D) I work in the design/consulting field on commercial construction (so I size service and branch feeders for construction documents, that's about as complex as it gets).  But, I do have a scientific mind and I am an out-of-the-box thinker.  Perhaps this has been to my detriment in the past as I have been involved in things like MLMs, but I learned a lot from all of that, #1 being the ability to spot that mentality immediately, and being aware of that pattern and the ability to sift through to get the real information (notably, being able to know when someone is intentionally evading a legitimate question).

My initial interest in OU was sparked by the Aquagen HHO system oh, about a decade or so back.  It was a fleeting interest that never really took off but I would occasionally check up on that technology, then I got married and had a kid and all my free time was gone.  The QEG has re-sparked my interest and now I see that it is a whole new world of thought, thanks to this and many other forums, etc.  So if anything, it's pulled me back into this subject, and if in the end that's all I get out of it, so be it.

So with that being said, I can tell you that while there is not a lot of information being directly shared on this forum (or really any other) relative to the work being done, that does not mean that nothing is being done and that does not mean that the intent of those working on the QEG is to keep everything secret.  There are many teams that are working to get things together for initial builds and testing.  I know that at least one of these teams is planning to do a wide array of testing and troubleshooting and they will be sharing what they have found with all.  The intent of these groups is to collaborate and develop the system and provide results, whether they prove or disprove the machine.

The generally accepted philosophy of any of the groups that I am in touch with is to maintain this system fully as open source.  Whether or not everyone subscribes to the methodologies of FTW is a topic that I would prefer to stay away from, personally, but let's just say that my past experiences in life in general as previously stated will come in useful - been there, done that, not drinking it, ever again.  Sharing the concept as an open source, yeah I can do that, and if it works, I'm the one that will want to understand why and how and be able to explain it.

In my lurking time here I can see that there are many brilliant and insightful minds at work here.  It is my hope that those willing to help will do so with a certain level of patience for me at least, as I will likely have many questions that will make me look like I have no clue what I am talking about, but that's not because I'm stupid, it's because I'm scraping off a lot of rust and putting to work an area of my intellect that I have not really exercised in a long time.  This is mainly due to trauma induced by my 2 semester long course on electromagnetic field theory taught by John Basart at Iowa State University in which every single problem in the textbook was assigned and we all had to meet 3 times a week for 2 hours to separate out the problems and teach each other how we got the answers because he taught the course like we were working on our masters degrees, I'm telling you, it was hell.  Only now, I wish I hadn't sold the textbook.  Actually, now I wonder if I might still have it in a box in the basement.........

Anyways, I believe, from what I've seen on here (across many, many threads that I have spent hours reading), that there are those who are willing to help with solving various issues that will undoubtedly arise.  I've seen some great insights made on this thread already.  I will also state here that I cannot totally disagree with the opinions many have shared, but I am really only interested in the mechanics and workings of the machine and finding solutions.  I do not really plan on debating and/or defending anything that is outside of that.  I'm looking for the proof and I'm looking for that in replication by multiple teams and if I can afford it, myself as well.

There are more builds scheduled to be done by various independent teams.  These are the teams to watch for.  I know that Torelco is working on the issues related to the core insulation and incorporating vacuum impregnation.  People are working on parts sourcing to reduce cost, some have said that they might be able to get the cost reduced by a significant margin, meaning more people will be able to perform builds and testing.  The more teams do this, the better - as long as everyone is willing to share their data and solutions.

Having said all of that, I find myself awash in a sea of information on this site.  There is so much information on here to absorb, it's crazy.  I also find myself dealing with the harsh reality that I am really behind.  I mean, I haven't touched an oscilloscope since college in 1996.  I used SPICE and MATLAB back then, back when you pretty much had to write the code like you were programming...it's a little different now!  I've never hand-wound a core, not that I can recall at least (maybe to make an electromagnet in high school or something).  I got myself a breadboard and an arduino and a bunch of parts from the Shack last year and had about 2 days to play with it until life re-directed me.  Everyone on here talks in a technical language that I can generally follow, but I sometimes have a hard time understanding fully (which is why I say be gentle).

So anyways...back to work for the rest of the day, cheers...Bud
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on May 22, 2014, 07:01:17 PM
So with that being said, I can tell you that while there is not a lot of information being directly shared on this forum (or really any other)

I like your enthusiasm (and attitude from other posts of yours that I have read), but .....................

As you already know, you are right that there is not a lot of info being shared on be-do.com. Most factual posts that paint a grim picture of this endeavor and co-conspirators is quickly deleted.
But there is a lot of stuff being shared here. It covers both sides (positive and negative).

Just the last five pages of this thread alone should be enough to tell you whether this thing is real.
Most of it has been gleaned from text and videos provided by the QEG team.

Personally, I don't find much, if any, to be conjecture / hearsay.

So if you have an "open mind" and accept the good with the bad evidence, you should find lots of real info and very little ignorant cheerleading (without obvious proven reason) to take back to be-do.com.

Please be prepared to be slammed back there for negativity.
On that site, it only works if you believe in a higher something (don't recall this weeks new-age buzzword).
Or if you donate of course.


Regards

E.T.A.
By the way, you must have noticed that there is well in excess of a thousand posts on this site about the QEG (more if you count the multiple threads.
Doesn't it seem odd that the QEG official forum contains less posts than here. What does that alone tell you ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 22, 2014, 07:16:35 PM

Its fine to mixed things along as your clear.  If you are going to use peak-to-peak values use the term instantaneous power.  The mistake Dave made was to failed to understand that the power meter on the input side measured true rms value, while he did the math use the instantaneous power value for the output. But we have gone through this already ad nauseum.  It needs also to be said that all the posted analysis only applies to sinusoidal waveforms. Its highly likely that the QEG produces harmonics, so the output voltage and current are not strictly sinusoidal, but good enough.


Not really sure what you mean by "the correct normalization", unless your referring to the current sensor. What is clear from the latest Jamie posting it they are claiming overunity, where he did quote the actual power out put to be 1590W for an input of 800W, 2x overunity. However, like every body else, the real proof of onverunity is if they can self loop it.
Correct normalization means normalizing all measurements correctly to one common standard. 

Ideally, that standard would be average real power since that is the only thing that is really meaningful.  The "Kill-a-Watt" devices used on the input can report average real power.  FTW need to convert their output measurements to average real power.  It is not that hard to do.  The scope that they are using is completely capable of outputting a CSV dump that they can then import into a spreadsheet and use that to calculate the average real power.  If they don't want to take the time, then given waveforms that look reasonably close to sine waves where the phase angle is known they can in a few seconds take the readings right off the scope punch a couple of keys on a hand calculator to get estimated VA and then estimated real power.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: shimondoodkin on May 22, 2014, 09:04:52 PM
from video on youtube it looks like he is still prototyping.
the website claims that he travels around the world.
but i haven't seen any video that shows a home running of this device.
is there any completed device  that works?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 22, 2014, 09:51:34 PM
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An EEE is an Electronic and Electrical Engineer. I graduated from Surrey University (England) with a 1st Class Honours. I think we have beaten the peak-to-peak/rms issue to death. See my earlier posting for the calc.There is no reactive (imaginary) power or apparent power here. The load is purely resistive remember, so all the power is active (real) power. You can see this on the scope. The current and voltage are in phase. There is a tank circuit on the output of the QEG. This provides a constant load at resonance (if tuned correctly to the output frequency which is I think around 400 Hz). It too appears as a resitive load to the generator. That is not to say that the QEG is not capable of producing reactive power, but you need to have the right load. Generally reactive power is generated in synchronous AC systems to control the output voltage for inductive loads. I am assuming that at some point they will replace the tank circuit with a step down transformer, this they with need to tuned so that it looks like a resistive load by added parallel capacitance. This is generally refereed to as impedance matching and critical in ensuring max power transfer. If not done correctly power will be reflected back to the generator by the load. From what Jamie last reported, and if I understood him correctly, he was able to produce around 1600W (average power) into a resistive load for an 800W input to the system. So a COP of 2.


I just posted this over at http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/386-qeg-morocco-overunity?start=18#1706 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/386-qeg-morocco-overunity?start=18#1706)

I just hope somebody is listening at QEG HQ. I want to speed things along a bit. I getting impatient waiting for them to close the loop. Enough already a COP of 2 is more than sufficient - if its real of coarse! 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 22, 2014, 11:14:36 PM
from video on youtube it looks like he is still prototyping.
the website claims that he travels around the world.
but i haven't seen any video that shows a home running of this device.
is there any completed device  that works?
No there is no working device.  Before their world tour, they lied and said that they had a device working for at least 150 hours.  They have not made any of their devices work:  run itself and drive a load anywhere that they have gone.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 23, 2014, 01:39:56 AM
It's so interesting how people in this day and age can still get away with the "Big Lie."  Think about the "5000 mainland Chinese engineers."  Besides the fact that working engineers (or people in general) just don't get up and leave their jobs to go on a last-minute jaunt to investigate a highly dubious claim, what about the logistics?

Was there a giant beer hall in Taiwan and they gave speeches?  Was it a free energy flash mob?  Did Jamie and Hope do "speed dating" with them?  Also, isn't it extremely difficult for a person from mainland China to go to Taiwan?  As far as I know they didn't present a single shred of evidence about the "5000 engineers."

There must be a lot of Be-Do lurkers around here, it's seems logical.  A lot of them must be in a tizzy.

Meanwhile, a little cameo from the far side from Larry Karma12:

Quote
The energy from the aether is tapped to excite electrons which we then use to perform work. That work converts the energy of the electrons into heat through friction and whatnot. The laws of thermodynamics are not broken. Energy is being conserved and is merely being converted from one form to another.  The energy we use is proportional to the number of electrons we excite to do some work for us, which is then given off as mostly heat into our environment. We are not opening up a floodgate of energy that will quickly run out of control and inundate us.
 
 I think of it as the QEG is like a guitar, and we are using the energy of the aether to strum the strings for us. We then use those vibrations of the strings to excite some electrons and make them do some work for us. We don't actually take any energy out of the aether, we only use its vibrational properties to our advantage.

It's the good old "portal to abundant energy" fantasy.  It's right on the tip of your nose all that you need is a slab of iron and wire and some feeling groovy vibes and the portal will open.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 23, 2014, 02:08:32 AM
FR Turbo:

Welcome to the forums Sir.  You are correct that there is a ton of great information in all of the topic areas.  One thing that the Smart guys here on OU have done many times now, is to de-bunk and expose outright frauds in the energy research field.  I have lost track of how many thus far but, they have done a great service by showing exactly how something was faked, explaining why it could not work as described or shown, and even finding out that some of these guys have done jail time in the past for fraud.

So, I tend to listen to these guys as their track record is excellent.  I have learned a lot from all of them. 

This device being discussed here already has too many very bright red flags to hold my interest but, to each his own.  Time will tell and they will be exposed for what they really are, one way or the other...good or bad.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Acca on May 23, 2014, 02:35:30 AM
 Woo Hooo……”It's the good old "portal to abundant energy" fantasy.  It's right on the tip of your nose all that you need is a slab of iron and wire and some feeling groovy vibes and the portal will open.” And WoW !!!
 
ROTOVERTER ….. Yea…. It uses a steel /iron rotor ….  And it is a round slug…
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-6unOMgYmo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7-6unOMgYmo)
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IoRAFEmfbY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IoRAFEmfbY)
 
Sooo this is a 2007 version of the Rotoverter….
http://www.overunity.com/2551/rotoverter-initial-idle-results/#.U36XGKyLN8V (http://www.overunity.com/2551/rotoverter-initial-idle-results/#.U36XGKyLN8V)
 
 
 
 
 Acca…[/font]
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 23, 2014, 03:40:24 AM
Acca,

The so-called "rotoverter" is just one in on a long line of nearly useless motors or generators or motor-generators.  The QEG is in that long line, the mysterious South African Sterling-bamboozler mo-gen is another.  There are two huge threads on Energetic Forum about modified motors that don't do anything special.  It's a long list.

The rotoverter has been around for years and years now and nothing is happening.  The QEG is awaiting the same fate.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on May 23, 2014, 08:19:32 AM
Acca,

The so-called "rotoverter" is just one in on a long line of nearly useless motors or generators or motor-generators.  The QEG is in that long line, the mysterious South African Sterling-bamboozler mo-gen is another.  There are two huge threads on Energetic Forum about modified motors that don't do anything special.  It's a long list.

The rotoverter has been around for years and years now and nothing is happening.  The QEG is awaiting the same fate.

MileHigh


Dear MH, why a NickName??


Are you talking here out of hands-on knowledge / experience based, or religion-like / writings based?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AkApUyOcEg


But thanking you truly for time, and intentions!


Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 23, 2014, 11:06:28 AM
Hi, Just a little help needed here. And yes I know this has been discuss in many places. But some times when the terms "overunity ad Cop show up in our discussion it gives me pause. Just to make sure of what is being discussed and compared with the QEG. Below is some thing I copied off the web. Please tell me how this measures up as an explanation between the two.And how if any they belong together. I am just tying to get a basic understanding of the differences in my head.
Thanks :-[


Overunity is not talking about efficiency, and especially not an efficiency greater than 100%. Overunity refers to a system with a COP>1. COP is not the same thing as efficiency because efficiency takes into consideration all of the energy input into a system while COP only takes into consideration the energy input by the operator and not energy input by the environment. Therefore, in a system where some or all of the energy is provided by the environment, it is entirely possible for the COP of the system to be greater than 1, even though its efficiency will always be less than 100%
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 23, 2014, 03:53:09 PM
Hi, Just a little help needed here. And yes I know this has been discuss in many places. But some times when the terms "overunity ad Cop show up in our discussion it gives me pause. Just to make sure of what is being discussed and compared with the QEG. Below is some thing I copied off the web. Please tell me how this measures up as an explanation between the two.And how if any they belong together. I am just tying to get a basic understanding of the differences in my head.
Thanks :-[


Overunity is not talking about efficiency, and especially not an efficiency greater than 100%. Overunity refers to a system with a COP>1. COP is not the same thing as efficiency because efficiency takes into consideration all of the energy input into a system while COP only takes into consideration the energy input by the operator and not energy input by the environment. Therefore, in a system where some or all of the energy is provided by the environment, it is entirely possible for the COP of the system to be greater than 1, even though its efficiency will always be less than 100%
Over unity is where the apparent output energy exceeds the sum of the apparent input and consumed internal energies.  Many ordinary things have COPs or apparent COPs > 1:  heat pumps, primary batteries, wind, solar, hydro, geothermal, and even fossil fuels. 

If the First Law of Thermodynamics holds then anything that looks like it is over unity will eventually be shown to have an efficiency of less than 100%.  Today, we cannot know such a thing for certain no matter how likely that is.  If someone discovers a cheat on the First Law, or if they discover a new cheap, ubiquitous and clean energy source the impacts are still the same and still what folks here would like to see.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: chrisC on May 23, 2014, 05:34:20 PM

Dear MH, why a NickName??


Are you talking here out of hands-on knowledge / experience based, or religion-like / writings based?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AkApUyOcEg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AkApUyOcEg)


But thanking you truly for time, and intentions!


Regards, Johan


@Johan:
Thanks for posting your contraption. Care to educate us more on it's merits?


btw, this public forum like others contain the usual number of statistics - 'experts' who tells you they know it all, 'seekers' of information, 'teachers' who wants to teach and of course 'builders' who wants to build and 'mockers' who will always believe the status quo. My take is very simple, the truth will come out and people should be mindful of fakes but they should never totally say they know everything! On the internet you can use any nickname and still be a dog and no one will know!
cheers,
chrisC

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 23, 2014, 06:14:11 PM
The truth does always come out.  It is immune to opinion.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on May 23, 2014, 08:32:19 PM

@Johan:
Thanks for posting your contraption. Care to educate us more on it's merits?


btw, this public forum like others contain the usual number of statistics - 'experts' who tells you they know it all, 'seekers' of information, 'teachers' who wants to teach and of course 'builders' who wants to build and 'mockers' who will always believe the status quo. My take is very simple, the truth will come out and people should be mindful of fakes but they should never totally say they know everything! On the internet you can use any nickname and still be a dog and no one will know!
cheers,
chrisC


Hi Chris,


Did do this RV awhile ago, its for me lots of KG's for a bit of Power, and that should than run 24/7!? :-((
-----------
Drive is a 3ph Inverter, but only 2ph wires of 220vac to a 3ph 380vac Motor on Delta 220vac, 0.33Kw, 1380r/m, and small cap making the 3e ph.


Gen. is 220vac SinglePh, 1.5Kw, 1340r/m, load is on the Main and Sec. coils, with switches to get it going.
Main-Coil load was 4 lamps total 300w, and Cap + switch.
Secondary-Coil load, was Heating-Element, with a Cap in serie, and Short switch over the Heating-Element.


Later with some adjustable Triac's, it was a bit more easy to adjust the load to the different frequency's.


Can say its real working, only the Output low, would be a big installation in KG if you want the needed KW's, and that than a 24/7 and ~8000 hours a year. But I never did try the other halve-wave Diode solutions?


Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on May 23, 2014, 08:34:17 PM
The truth does always come out.  It is immune to opinion.

Dear MarkE,

Yes, your right, its now so clear!
They can nag easy on lot of people, like last week: Bedini, LindeMann or RotoVerter!
But no building or testing experience!

Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 23, 2014, 10:14:21 PM
Dear MarkE,

Yes, your right, its now so clear!
They can nag easy on lot of people, like last week: Bedini, LindeMann or RotoVerter!
But no building or testing experience!

Regards, Johan
Do you object that I agree with you that the truth is ultimately known?

Don't you know the truth yet about:  Bedini, Lindemann, or the Rotoverter?  If you don't, just compare the claims made these many years against the evidence.

As to what I've built, you have no knowledge on which to base your claim.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on May 24, 2014, 08:02:58 AM
Do you object that I agree with you that the truth is ultimately known?

Don't you know the truth yet about:  Bedini, Lindemann, or the Rotoverter?  If you don't, just compare the claims made these many years against the evidence.

As to what I've built, you have no knowledge on which to base your claim.


Your right: Its always coming out, just time!


May I ask: What is your idea about Chemtrails?


Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 24, 2014, 08:23:22 AM

Your right: Its always coming out, just time!


May I ask: What is your idea about Chemtrails?


Regards, Johan
What are you asking?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on May 24, 2014, 09:50:56 AM
May I ask: What is your idea about Chemtrails?

Regards, Johan

What are you asking?

@ AI,
This is an interesting and fascinating question for one to ask who has participated in this discussion, titled "German Scientists Proves Chemtrails (http://www.overunity.com/6346/german-scientists-proves-chemtrails/msg394310/#msg394310)".

@ All,
The original question asked, "What is your idea about Chemtrails?", is off-topic and totally irrelevant to this discussion, so this question probably has no real meaning to the AI or it's sybil seconds in regards to the QEG discussion.

Gravock
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 24, 2014, 02:45:43 PM
I thought this was the "Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)" thread. I don't think it's about Rotoverters or chemtrails....


Anyhow, here are a couple of frame grabs from the recent "Overunity" video from QEG Morocco.

The first one shows the channel settings and clearly reveals that their oscilloscope has both channels set to "AC Coupled".  Is there an electrical engineer in the house? Well, at least this incorrect setting probably does not change the peak-to-peak values computed by the scope, although it usually WILL change the positive and negative peak values and other math performed on the traces.

The second one shows that the scope is indeed computing the peak-to-peak values for both traces and that the claims made in the video of OU are indeed coming from these computed peak-to-peak values. One must assume that the channel attenuations do not match the probes: one High-Voltage probe with 1000:1 attenuation, presumably... and one coil-type current monitor with unknown ratio of sensed current to voltage output but presumed to be  10:1 or 1 Amp:100 mV. They must have both scope channels set to no probe attenuation ie 1:1, since the channel values are reported in milliVolts and we must do the multiplication for the probe attens ourselves. (Misuse of scope).

Regardless, the glaring error of the power computation is confirmed and the evidence for scoposcopic incompetence is preserved for the record.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 24, 2014, 03:18:17 PM
1. What disturbs me is that no evidence has been shown for the supposed overunity case that Jamie reported on this week (1590W out for 800W in). No scope traces, no nothing!


2. I'm willing to believe that the load is not impedance matched to the generator. I doubt that they are using the tank circuit. I doubt that they know why its there in the first place? If they where using it I would expect to see not quite so perfect phase alignment, and more waveform distortion. Why 6 light bulbs? Getting the load impedance right is sort of import is you want to get maximum power transfer.


3. We really do not know what the current circuit arrangement is any more. If this was truly open source they would publish their ideas so others could work with them. Folks who are perhaps actual engineers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 24, 2014, 03:33:01 PM
1. What disturbs me is that no evidence has been shown for the supposed overunity case that Jamie reported on this week (1590W out for 800W in). No scope traces, no nothing!
They are making progress in their journey! They have learned, from the responses to the May 18 video, that they must NOT show any raw data or scopetraces, along with their claims of OU.

It's typical for scoposcopic incompetents to forget that people -- some of them -- can actually read the _traces_ rather than just the numbers in boxes on a DSO, and they also forget that some people actually do know how to use a modern, high bandwidth, expensive math-capable DSO effectively and can interpret readings and scope settings in order to draw valid conclusions from the raw data.

The QEG crew now realize that is true, so they won't be showing any more raw data.

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2. I'm willing to believe that the load is not impedance matched to the generator. I doubt that they are using the tank circuit. I doubt that they know why its there in the first place? If they where using it I would expect to see not quite so perfect phase alignment, and more waveform distortion. Why 6 light bulbs? Getting the load impedance right is sort of import is you want to get maximum power transfer.

All true. Why 6 light bulbs? Because anyone can read the nameplate on the bulbs and see that six of them in series, lighting up, MUST represent 600 Watts of power! Why else?
Choosing a non-linear load like a filament--- whose resistance changes radically with temperature -- is also SOP for OverUnity claimants. Using a proper loadbank of power resistors with low temperature coefficients of resistance is not impressive because it doesn't light up.  Why not put the QEG's output thru a HV FWB and then charge up some capacitors with the ripply DC, then run an inverter off the cap charge? I know why, and so do you.

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3. We really do not know what the current circuit arrangement is any more. If this was truly open source they would publish their ideas so others could work with them. Folks who are perhaps actual engineers.

Open Source? Give me a break. This is only "open source" if you have the time and money to go to wherever Robitaille happens to be working at the moment, which is probably Peru by now.

Besides, they have claimed repeatedly that they have many actual engineers working with them, already, both on-site and around the world. And James Robitaille himself is a Great Engineer, we are told, with patents and lots of experience at ShopVac Corporation and everything.

Do you think that this claim is somehow... false?  I do. I str we haven't seen anybody display credentials like a P.E. licence or even an engineering degree from an accredited school....


ETA: The scope shown in the video, some flavor of the Tektronix 3054, can display a Math trace that computes the instantaneous power curve, and it can further INTEGRATE that result over a selected interval. Why are these people not using this capability of this very expensive and capable oscilloscope? I know why and so do you.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 24, 2014, 03:45:39 PM
I thought this was the "Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)" thread. I don't think it's about Rotoverters or chemtrails....


Anyhow, here are a couple of frame grabs from the recent "Overunity" video from QEG Morocco.

The first one shows the channel settings and clearly reveals that their oscilloscope has both channels set to "AC Coupled".  Is there an electrical engineer in the house? Well, at least this incorrect setting probably does not change the peak-to-peak values computed by the scope, although it usually WILL change the positive and negative peak values and other math performed on the traces.

The second one shows that the scope is indeed computing the peak-to-peak values for both traces and that the claims made in the video of OU are indeed coming from these computed peak-to-peak values. One must assume that the channel attenuations do not match the probes: one High-Voltage probe with 1000:1 attenuation, presumably... and one coil-type current monitor with unknown ratio of sensed current to voltage output but presumed to be  10:1 or 1 Amp:100 mV. They must have both scope channels set to no probe attenuation ie 1:1, since the channel values are reported in milliVolts and we must do the multiplication for the probe attens ourselves. (Misuse of scope).

Regardless, the glaring error of the power computation is confirmed and the evidence for scoposcopic incompetence is preserved for the record.
While it is a very good idea and standard practice to enter the probe attenuation  and measurement type:  voltage / current so that the oscilloscope displays directly indicate the measured quantities in the correct units, it's OK not to do that provided the attenuation and units are noted elsewhere.  On occasion a particular oscilloscope won't have the right attenuation setting to read directly in correct units, although that is not the case here.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 24, 2014, 03:55:49 PM
While it is a very good idea and standard practice to enter the probe attenuation  and measurement type:  voltage / current so that the oscilloscope displays directly indicate the measured quantities in the correct units, it's OK not to do that provided the attenuation and units are noted elsewhere.  On occasion a particular oscilloscope won't have the right attenuation setting to read directly in correct units, although that is not the case here.
Agreed, of course. My venerable and trusty HP180A doesn't even have any "probe atten" settings or markings.... the makers assumed that anyone using such an instrument can keep track of... and report properly... such information and its effect on the value of the traces displayed.  People who watch my videos showing scope data might note that I always report scope channel and probe attenuations -- but then, I am trying to convey information, rather than obscuring it as the QEG people appear to be doing. It was hell scanning through that video looking for a frame or two where one could actually READ the scope screen... and of course the scope itself can save a screen shot at full resolution. Since there are still shots in the video... why isn't there a clear screenshot from the scope itself displayed as a still frame? I know why... and so do you.

Is there some place where the details of the QEG mob's Current Transformer are noted? I must have missed it. But at least they are now using a proper BNC patch cord to connect this current sensor instead of the banana-jack adapter and clipleads to a scope probe.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 24, 2014, 04:23:17 PM
Agreed, of course. My venerable and trusty HP180A doesn't even have any "probe atten" settings or markings.... the makers assumed that anyone using such an instrument can keep track of... and report properly... such information and its effect on the value of the traces displayed.  People who watch my videos showing scope data might note that I always report scope channel and probe attenuations -- but then, I am trying to convey information, rather than obscuring it as the QEG people appear to be doing. It was hell scanning through that video looking for a frame or two where one could actually READ the scope screen... and of course the scope itself can save a screen shot at full resolution. Since there are still shots in the video... why isn't there a clear screenshot from the scope itself displayed as a still frame? I know why... and so do you.

Is there some place where the details of the QEG mob's Current Transformer are noted? I must have missed it. But at least they are now using a proper BNC patch cord to connect this current sensor instead of the banana-jack adapter and clipleads to a scope probe.
I have not seen where they have detailed out, much less checked their instrumentation set-up.  The 1000:1 voltage probe is obvious in some pictures.  I don't know if they have ever identified the particular current sense transformer that they are using.  A 100mV/A sensitivity for a current transformer is common.  They are reporting values as though that is what they use.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 24, 2014, 04:40:12 PM
Here are the best views I could find in the May 18 video of the current transformer. It sure doesn't look to me like anyone is really expecting voltages in the tens of kV to appear in this apparatus.


ETA: The automotive spark plugs used as a spark gap are cute, aren't they? I wonder if those are Bosch brand Platinum electrode plugs, like I'm running in my car. They really do last longer and give better mileage performance!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on May 24, 2014, 04:50:33 PM
We must remember that QEG scope shots show how free energy type power measurements are taken because the peak value of the QEG waveform represent the peak of inrushing aetheric energy, so the units of power are those assumed to do real work termed: 'Wattnots'. These are considered distinctly superior to the ordinary Watts used by conventional electrical engineers and the new revolutionary QEG machines will see the end to the reign of the greedy oil barons by giving Hope to all.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 24, 2014, 05:23:25 PM
A lot of people do not understand insulation and clearances that are necessary to safely work with voltages above what they have in their homes.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 24, 2014, 06:37:47 PM
We must remember that QEG scope shots show how free energy type power measurements are taken because the peak value of the QEG waveform represent the peak of inrushing aetheric energy, so the units of power are those assumed to do real work termed: 'Wattnots'. These are considered distinctly superior to the ordinary Watts used by conventional electrical engineers and the new revolutionary QEG machines will see the end to the reign of the greedy oil barons by giving Hope to all.


I think the output power equation for the overunity QEG is something like this;

Pout (Wattnots) =  Vrms x Irms x cos(angle) + Phope where Phope = n x Pinput(W)  and where n>= 1
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 24, 2014, 06:45:33 PM
Other possible equations are:

PSTATED = PINPUT * $GULLIBLE DONOR'S POCKET2
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 24, 2014, 06:56:19 PM
One of the ironic things about this subculture is that from time to time you read accusatory tirades against "normal" gas-guzzling grid-electricity-using people, calling them "sheeple."  Note there has need no discernible chatter about the clip claiming over unity that is clearly a failure, and is under unity.  There has been no chatter about the lack of transparency from the "pro" QEG team.

The ironic thing is it's often many of the rabid free energy enthusiasts that are the "sheeple."  There is so much about this story that is wrong, and you barely hear a peep of frustration from any of the believers.

I still hold to my prediction that this whole orchestrated exercise in foolishness is going under and starting to fade away.  HopeGirl and James and the rest of the QEG gang will dissolve and disappear into nothingness.  A few dozen or more QEG development teams will be left holding the bag, a big fat useless core and a bunch of other crap and be out of pocket for a few thousand dollars per team.

The sheeple will say that they don't feel bad about the QEG failure to produce over unity and power their houses, because "they learnt something."  Ask them what they learnt and you are likely going to get blank stares.

That's the way the cookie crumbles when you strip the glam off of the whole QEG endeavour and show it naked to the world.

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You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're doing what we can
But when you want money
For people with minds that hate
All I can tell is brother you have to wait

It ain't gunna be all right.  It's going to end in a whimper with many people out of pocket and the QEG world tour in the free energy history book of notable cons.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on May 24, 2014, 07:33:34 PM
ETA: The scope shown in the video, some flavor of the Tektronix 3054, can display a Math trace that computes the instantaneous power curve, and it can further INTEGRATE that result over a selected interval. Why are these people not using this capability of this very expensive and capable oscilloscope? I know why and so do you.

That's what I've done some years ago when testing grabriel device with a 150 $ Chinese scope, it took a couple of minutes to figure that it wasn't OU in the end. Hell, even a newbie like me (and still one) can do that...
Scope today have a lot of Math functions and are really precise, if well used difficult to fool him !
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 24, 2014, 08:33:10 PM
A lot of people do not understand insulation and clearances that are necessary to safely work with voltages above what they have in their homes.

But... but.... hundreds of Engineers! Twenty years of experience at ShopVac! Inventions!


Even the 2kV peak-to-peak values they have shown can teach them a powerful lesson. One that only needs to be experienced once. One that _can_ only be experienced... once.

My MOT-DC SGTC coil working has around 2 kV input to the primary tank (from a microwave oven transformer), and something like 170 nF of capacitance charged to that voltage. It scares the crap out of me. One may look at my videos to see how carefully I handle that with layout and procedure, even with bleeders on the cap bank.

I almost died one afternoon. I had charged up a big 30 kV rated Maxwell pulse capacitor, 0.3 uF IIRC, using a Bonetti machine, in preparation for a wire explosion shot. The system was supposed to fire automatically when the main airgap overvolted... but it didn't. So I took my "jesus pole" and shorted the airgap manually... and the capacitor exploded.  I estimate that the cap probably charged to over 60 kV. I was wearing a full face guard and earmuffs, a good thing because shards of the capacitor case went flying, oil splattered everywhere, and the main capacitor remnant (an oil-filled stack of paper and copper foil) caught on fire. This is a physically large capacitor, about 2 feet long and six by four inches rectangular, with one terminal on each long end.  I put out the fire and was cleaning up, went to put a safety short across the terminals of the remnant... and accidentally brushed against some of the foil hanging out. There was enough charge left in the shattered capacitor to knock me across the room and leave me unconscious. Probably only for a few seconds. This was a good thing because I was completely alone in the lab (Bldg 29, Alameda NAS) with no one around, literally for miles.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 24, 2014, 08:51:26 PM
" Ask them what they learnt and you are likely going to get blank stares."

They've at least learnt not to be so free with their actual raw data!  From now on all data they release will be filtered through the OU filter and only numbers which solidly indicate OU will be presented. How those numbers are gathered and how they can be verified... will not be shared in detail.

We have all been here before, remember? The only things that are unique different or special about this incident are the crowd-funding solicitations and the world travel junkets. I don't understand how they can get away with lying about having a working device in order to collect all that money.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 24, 2014, 09:05:57 PM
That's what I've done some years ago when testing grabriel device with a 150 $ Chinese scope, it took a couple of minutes to figure that it wasn't OU in the end. Hell, even a newbie like me (and still one) can do that...
Scope today have a lot of Math functions and are really precise, if well used difficult to fool him !
The key being the "if well used" part. It is possible to fool the most sophisticated scope by making the fundamental measurements incorrectly.

All scopes have the ability to pick up noise and/or induced voltages in their probe leads themselves. With some apparatus and signals it is actually possible to get large amplitude readings on a scope channel that is grounded at the probe tip and not actually connected to anything! Then there can be errors in the scope itself that cause spurious math and wrong interpretations. Recently some of the users of this forum tracked down a small DC offset error in a persistent claimant's oscilloscope that caused him to see false indications of overunity in his devices. This was a tiny offset error on the most sensitive input setting and it would not normally have affected anything. But making the delicate measurements and carrying them through the math resulted in pushing the device calculated performance into the "OU" region... falsely.

I myself have demonstrated two different instances where the scope's full math ability is used to go all the way from V and I measurements, through the calculation of instantaneous power curves and integrations, that falsely showed _decreasing_ energy integrals. These resulted, in one case, from badly contaminated input signals, and in the other case, from improperly time-compensated current and differential voltage probes in use (probe skew).  One on a basic LeCroy DSO and one on a high-end Tek DPSO. Garbage in, expensive garbage out.

A measurement pitfall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWDfrzBIxoQ
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 24, 2014, 11:23:14 PM
Hi Tinsel, I've also have performed an apparent OU measurement on a small transformer using function generator to input a sine wave and sensed input current, measured input voltage and phase angle with a RIGOL DS1052E as well as sense the output current and measure output voltage and phase angle (in phase resistive load). I used a calculator to calculate the real (true) powers from the scope measurements. That exercise convinced me that Thanes "tiny power" BiTT OU claim was easy to reproduce.

Of course it was simply small measurement errors for the calculations of tiny power figures. I declined to video the measurement because I was certain other people would claim it was OU and I would need to keep explaining myself. It wasn't difficult to do and I, think I might know why it happens, but I'm not up for an argument over trying to explain my thoughts.

What is the effect if any of hysteresis on AC power measurements ? 

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 25, 2014, 04:55:25 AM
What kind of hysteresis do you mean? B-H kind, where you are moving the magnetism of a core around on a per-cycle basis? I think this turns out to be a power loss mechanism; something tells me you want a really skinny "S" BH curve rather than a squarish fat one if you want to minimize losses in the core especially at high frequencies. I'm not sure about this though and I'll be happy to be educated in the matter by the magnetism experts.
I think this has an effect on the efficiency of the device under test, but measurements involving instantaneous VxI multiplication and integration of the resulting power curve should still be made normally and should still give the true result, whatever the core's BH curve looks like, I think.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 25, 2014, 05:32:12 AM
An ideal linear magnetics has zero hysteresis.  Apply H, get a corresponding B with no memory.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SchubertReijiMaigo on May 25, 2014, 11:24:30 AM
A measurement pitfall:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWDfrzBIxoQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWDfrzBIxoQ)

Stray inductance ? You must be really in HF for just a small wire to have a huge impact like that.
When I tested G.device I was around 50 HZ, so the frequency was to low to notice any RF effect.
Your probe are shielded ? Can it act like an antenna and make false reading ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 25, 2014, 11:26:51 AM
What kind of hysteresis do you mean? B-H kind, where you are moving the magnetism of a core around on a per-cycle basis? I think this turns out to be a power loss mechanism; something tells me you want a really skinny "S" BH curve rather than a squarish fat one if you want to minimize losses in the core especially at high frequencies. I'm not sure about this though and I'll be happy to be educated in the matter by the magnetism experts.
I think this has an effect on the efficiency of the device under test, but measurements involving instantaneous VxI multiplication and integration of the resulting power curve should still be made normally and should still give the true result, whatever the core's BH curve looks like, I think.

Yeah that kind, thanks.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on May 25, 2014, 12:01:07 PM
Grav,  real or fake is that the question or the sum?   We know for certain it does not work as of yet,  so I for one would like to find a solution to the non working part.  When one day we do find solution for OU there will be a solid understanding developed we will call it a science of course.  Then that science will be applied to many previously discarded devices and they will be perfected into COP > 1.   This device or a past or any it does not matter.  What matters is that we work together sparking each others thoughts and DOING with builds and simulations or whatever it takes to get us there.


In a way trolls provide some positive aspects of letting us know we are on the right track or near it.  It always encourages me to see them appear and the harder they bark the more I know we are getting closer to a working device. On thing is for certain, if COP > 1 exists everyday we work toward it, it is one day closer we are to discovering OU.


One thought I would like to have you all remember is that in many past (thought to be working) devices there were connections to either and earth sink and/or a air sink (meaning we collected or connected to a reservoir).  So where would we place an antenna in this circuit and/or ground?
Hi Hope :)

Sorry for late response, I am here far less than I wish and even less in experimenting :/

For COP > 1 (and So Great you specify you talk about "COP" and not "physical efficiency", imo): I remember you THEY DO EXIST IN REAL LIFE.

The most known are those of the heat pumps but there are too win turbines, solar panels, etc., which are indeed INFINITE COPs.

Here our Quest is very specific:

WE LOOK FOR A VERY SPECIAL DEVICE ALLOWING US TO HAVE:

• Yes CLEAN, SAFE and RENEWABLE ENERGY and FREE RESERVOIR  but
ON A COUNTINOUS BASIS (not weather or Sun dependent)
AS CHEAP AS POSSIBLE TO BUILT AND PRODUCE
• with VERY CHEAP or NO COST RUNNING ENERGY
• we can have AT HOME (been "OFF GRID").

An other very specific here is that most of the attempts we run here, is that we try to get a device WITH THE SAME KIND OF ENERGY IN INPUT THAN "THE RUNNING ENERGY".

Indeed, what makes the COP of heat pumps is that THE RUNNING ENERGY (often electricity), COSTS LESS THAN THE ENERGY WE SHOULD EXPENSE TO PRODUCE DIRECTLY (by electricity or costly fuels) THE SAME AMOUNT OF USEFULL HEAT; BUT THEY ARE 2 KINDS OF = 2 DIFFERENT ENERGIES.

In case of INFINITE COP like win turbine or solar panels, IT IS THE RESERVOIR ITSELF WHICH PROVIDES ALL THE ENERGY FOR THE RUN, that why we may call them CONVERTORS (often with huge waste = LOW PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY).

But a possible COP >1 "Akula device", for example, would be something VERY SPECIFIC IN TERM OF "KIND OF COP", because it would be A RATIO EM/EM ENERGY OF SAME RANGE OF FREQUENCIES (solar panels are EM/EM too if we consider photons as EM energy, but ELECTRICITY and LIGHT are far to be on the same RANGE OF FREQUENCIES).

BTW, a "Akula device" kind would be, as I see it, A RADIANT EM ENERGY SELF-CONVERTOR (OR AN ASSISTED-CONVERTOR if not selrunning) to ELECTRICAL EM ENERGY:

● FROM SPREADING WAVES (EM-WAVES)

TO

● CLUSTER-WAVES (ELECTRONS).


I would see then 2 kinds of:

1. "SELFRUNNERS", so basically SELF-CONVERTORS (INFINITE COPs);

2. "ASSISTED RUNNERS", so basically PUMPS (I mean with a PUMP SYSTEM FEED WITH AN OTHER EM SOURCE OF ENERGY THAN THE FREE RESERVOIR), or "ASSISTED CONVERTORS".

What do you think?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 25, 2014, 03:36:34 PM
Well we have some data from Morocco!

We can start off with a taste of the whine-and-beg psychological programming for the masses:

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-morocco-test-and-measurement-report-opensourced/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-morocco-test-and-measurement-report-opensourced/)

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While most have been supportive beyond our wildest dreams, and we are eternally grateful for YOU, there are still those who want to suppress this technology. Many  are wolves dressed in sheep’s clothing, and come with notebooks and pens. They make judgments, criticisms and spin stories. They have agendas that do not have humanity’s interest in mind. They are reporters wanting juicy stories, old-timers who are resentful their invention never “made it,” and facebook comments just for the sake of arguing and stirring up strife and division. And then of course, there are the paid trolls who threaten to destroy us and everyone we love – but they’re quite obvious.
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We simply cannot understand the wave of demands we receive and the expectations placed on us  from any entity beyond our funders, who  do not place such demands, but are happy, patient and grateful to give and see the solution manifesting. To those whose demands we have tried our best to fulfill, we ask you to keep in mind that we don’t have big labs and big budgets. (Though the $100,000 worth of equipment required to create this report was lovingly donated to the project)
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PLEASE NOTE: The QEG is still in development with the last important step to go. While our goal was to finish in Morocco, we could not due to the expense of building a modern device in an underdeveloped country.  To efficiently complete the next step – self-running – we again call on our friends and supporters to help us fund it.  Thank you so very much, awesome planet-changers!
PHASE 3 QEG DEVELOPMENT – PLEASE DONATE HERE  (http://gofundme.com/Phase3QEG)
What?  I thought that it was already working??

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 25, 2014, 04:05:47 PM
More stuff:

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/)

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We are making history together! Because of the commitment of The People to bypass the usual production nightmare, set up by the powers that be (were), we were able to build the QEG and achieve the overunity phase of development in Morocco! What began with a conversion of 600 Watts into the generator motor to produce approximately 2000 Watts out (see 1st overunity video here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJkNruMM6tE)), currently James is reporting 3000 Watts (5X), and some points 4500, 9460, 13,326, even 28,000 Watts!” That’s all output with 600Watts input! (More videos to come showing these readings, as well as “How to build a QEG” videos, which can be found on HopeGirl’s youtube channel (https://www.youtube.com/user/HopeGirl587)!) One of the most valuable documents that has come from the Morocco build is the QEG Test & Measurement Report (http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-may-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v1-01.doc). (http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-may-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v1-01.doc)

The "1st overunity video" is under unity, HopeGirl.

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Building conditions in Morocco (lack of equipment, lack of access to machine parts, tremendous delays, etc.) dictate the 3rd phase of QEG development – self-running – be achieved in an area with readily available resources.

DOH!

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The QEG project continues to be blessed, thanks to a very generous sponsorship offer! Our UK sponsor has agreed to buy all the parts and provide a building environment replete with equipment from one of the biggest systems development companies in the world. We will be building a 4th QEG, bring it to resonance and overunity, design the converter and reach self-running within 1 month. Below is the budget for the build:

The budget says, "Please give us another $20,000, please!"

It doesn't work and it works!  It works and it doesn't work!  It's amazing!

The HopeGirl Army:

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For example, five thousand Chinese engineers have given their word to us that they will opensource any QEG building and improvements as they, too, can see the end of suffering for their people.

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Please help us ALL get there! To our knowledge this has never been done quite this way before. The end of energy tyranny is in sight and We The People are making it real! We can easily start imagining what life will be like when we are free to live off the grid: no more robbery, no more domination/control by the powers that be (were), and no more feelings of helplessness to stop the suffering on the planet. PLEASE CLICK HERE TO MAKE A DONATION TO THE QEG CAMPAIGN (http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG)
Translation:  We need twenty thousand dollars American to go from 17% efficiency to 19% efficiency.
MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 25, 2014, 04:16:10 PM

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-morocco-test-and-measurement-report-opensourced (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-morocco-test-and-measurement-report-opensourced/)

These results are appalling. Way worse than @MileHigh estimated even!

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there are still those who want to suppress this technology
What technology, a really inefficient motor!!!

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They make judgments, criticisms and spin stories.
Jamie claimed to have a working onverunity prototype. Oh let me guess he didn't calculate the output power properly, used p-p values instead of rms. Oh what a shame, all that money spent. Hopegirl at least had fun jaunting around the globe giving worthless speeches of hope and technology suppression.  Let me see I need a few months abroad, some new tech equipment, how about a few of use get together and invent something, go get so crowd funding!!

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We simply cannot understand the wave of demands we receive and the expectations placed on us  from any entity beyond our funders
Yeah selling fantasies of free eternal energy, it's called the sun, cold fusion, LENR, and other things rooted in real science. They clearly approached this like starting a new religion, my guess is that's were it will end up becoming one, the religion of the QEG.

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To efficiently complete the next step – self-running – we again call on our friends and supporters to help us fund it. 
Unbelievable!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 25, 2014, 04:38:01 PM
You would think that at least one of the "5,000 Engineers" would know how to measure power in and power out.  Of course, if they did it correctly, and arrived at the 17% efficiency figure, Hope would then label them MIB, Trolls, Powers That Be, Paid Shills, and other free energy suppressive types.

I can't believe this.  First they have achieved overunity for 150 hours and now, they need more money so they can try to build a machine that will reach overunity?  What?

To me, this has SCAM written all over it.  They should be ashamed of themselves.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on May 25, 2014, 04:52:43 PM
That's the open sourced legal protection document rushed out before the lynch mob descend upon them.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 25, 2014, 05:18:10 PM
Note that what HopeGirl and her gang have basically admitted to is that the entire Moroccan adventure was a failure and a fiasco.  They spent tons of money and interacted with the locals and built another useless hunk of metal and wire that does absolutely nothing.  Instead of the QEG, make a direct connection between the wall outlet and your load and you will be better off.  In fact, you will always be better off if you make a direct connection between the wall outlet and your load.

Didn't they state that there were "20 or 30 'engineers'" in Morocco?  What did they all do considering that the technical report documents one single experiment?

How come James Robitaille is sometimes referred to as an "engineer" and sometimes as an "engineering artist?"  What the hell is an "engineering artist" anyways?  I have never heard that term before in my life.

The bottom line is that going to Morocco was a nonsensical cash burn and nothing more than that.

There is zero chance that when they set up shop in London that they will achieve over unity.  As I have previously stated, there is nothing special about the hunk of metal and wire that they call a QEG.  Every single component in the QEG is conventional and respects CoE and all the parts working together are conventional and respect CoE.  There is no magic pixie dust or secret sauce anywhere in sight.

Giving HopeGirl and her gang any more money will be tantamount to pouring money down the drain.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Vortex1 on May 25, 2014, 06:34:31 PM
Totally agree, MH

I don't know what the term engineering artist means, seems like an oxymoron, but I can understand "electronics artist"  as one who can occasionally put together some clever stuff, but are not able to understand, analyze or optimize the device thoroughly. That takes the skill of engineering.

I also understand the term "con artist"

Hopefully this exercise will make the FE community more wary when the snake oil salesman comes to town.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 25, 2014, 06:42:52 PM
Note that what HopeGirl and her gang have basically admitted to is that the entire Moroccan adventure was a failure and a fiasco.  They spent tons of money and interacted with the locals and built another useless hunk of metal and wire that does absolutely nothing.  Instead of the QEG, make a direct connection between the wall outlet and your load and you will be better off.  In fact, you will always be better off if you make a direct connection between the wall outlet and your load.

Didn't they state that there were "20 or 30 'engineers'" in Morocco?  What did they all do considering that the technical report documents one single experiment?

How come James Robitaille is sometimes referred to as an "engineer" and sometimes as an "engineering artist?"  What the hell is an "engineering artist" anyways?  I have never heard that term before in my life.

The bottom line is that going to Morocco was a nonsensical cash burn and nothing more than that.

There is zero chance that when they set up shop in London that they will achieve over unity.  As I have previously stated, there is nothing special about the hunk of metal and wire that they call a QEG.  Every single component in the QEG is conventional and respects CoE and all the parts working together are conventional and respect CoE.  There is no magic pixie dust or secret sauce anywhere in sight.

Giving HopeGirl and her gang any more money will be tantamount to pouring money down the drain.

MileHigh

On the positive side in going to London they will be able to replace the 5,000 Chinese and 20 - 30 Moroccan Engineers with one good EE or EEE. They will also have near unlimited access to good beer, crisps, pork scratchings and black pudding to feed their souls.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on May 25, 2014, 06:49:52 PM

On the positive side in going to London they will be able to replace the 5,000 Chinese and 20 - 30 Moroccan Engineers with one good EE or EEE. They will also have near unlimited access to good beer, crisps, pork scratchings and black pudding to feed their souls.

And free accommodation on the state if they conveniently lose their passports!  ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rigel4 on May 25, 2014, 07:11:08 PM
Since we are beating this scam to death. Maybe we should crud-fund some $$ to buy the  one of the existing QEG and send it to either Russ G. or TK. I am sure we can get it on the cheap. Some village in Morocco has an extra one  on craigslist and they need the cash.
-note I post as Rigel on other forums. It was taken here at ou. So Rigel4 it is.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 25, 2014, 07:19:58 PM


On the positive side in going to London they will be able to replace the 5,000 Chinese and 20 - 30 Moroccan Engineers with one good EE or EEE.


But, as I mentioned in a previous post, if the London EE, or EEE claims only 17% efficiency, then he will be labeled a naysayer anti-free energy closed minded dupe for big oil.  Just wait and see.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: calim on May 25, 2014, 07:55:07 PM
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http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-morocco-test-and-measurement-report-opensourced/

I have to admit that the result part of the document is pitiful...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: calim on May 25, 2014, 09:56:16 PM
I have to admit that the result part of the document is pitiful...

"We have entered partial QEG Morocco data as an example to show you how you can enter yours using the same form. More data will be submitted from the QEG Morocco build when all present project engineers compile their findings."

Ok...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 25, 2014, 11:24:11 PM
Quoting HopeGirl:

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More data will be submitted from the QEG Morocco build when all present project engineers compile their findings.

Don't count on that ever coming true.  It's arguable that that is just pablum to keep the QEG forum sheeple quiet because now they won't dare ask questions because they have been told that more data will be forthcoming.  There hasn't been even the slightest sense that between 20 and 30 "project engineers" have been working on anything in Morocco.  All that we saw of substance was the one ad-hoc claimed over unity clip that was filmed by the Facebook user "Allegedly Known as Dave."  That's the clip that is clearly and unambiguously under unity and HopeGirl is flogging it as an over unity clip.

We have seen nothing of substance at all from Taiwan and it's been over a month.  Where do the alleged 20 or 30 "engineers" in Morocco go now?  Do they all move to London?  Don't be surprised if you never hear them mentioned again.  The 5000 Chinese engineers?  If they actually rented a large hall in Taiwan and gave a presentation to 5000 Chinese engineers don't you think there would be some record of it and what transpired?

It's a classic move by professional promoters of fake free energy propositions.  Do a failed demo and then claim that there will be more data forthcoming in the future and then beat a hasty retreat and then never deliver the promised follow-up data.  I am not saying that this is what the HopeGirl gang will do, I can't predict the future.  Just don't be surprised if this is how it plays itself out.

In terms of the presentation of the technical data, so far it has been abysmal.  The use of the term "RMS power" is cringe-worthy.  Don't forget we are supposed to be dealing with a bunch of engineers.  Note that James tried different values of capacitance, which would have changed the resonant frequency of the primary tank circuit.  The primary tank is coupled to the secondary and that drives the resistive light bulb load.  With that setup it would be expected that there would be no major changes in the power into the load as he tried different capacitance values.  It's a very weak amateur-grade experiment in my opinion.  He should have tried varying the resistance of the light bulb load and noted the changes in input power and output power.  At least there you are investigating how varying the impedance of the load might affect the power throughput and the efficiency of the QEG.  In addition, he could have measured the resistance of the pair of secondary coils and at least accounted for his resistive losses in the secondary windings when he analyzed the power throughput as he varied the load impedance.

Not that any testing that I am suggesting is going to make much of a difference in the overall scheme of things.  17% efficiency for that funky WITTS-derived "[electrical]->[motor]->[mechanical]->[LC resonator]->[secondary]->[electrical]" transformer seems about right.  There is no quantum anything anywhere associated with that hunk of metal and wire.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 25, 2014, 11:36:12 PM
They should be in Jail but then so should 95 % of the politicians and high level bankers who con us for billions...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 26, 2014, 12:17:23 AM
Perhaps the rotor is configured wrongly.

As an alternative why not try another
approach?

A couple of possibilities come to mind
which may make some difference.

Permanent magnets may still be a
necessity in order to achieve the
desired mode of operation.

Resonance may be a handicap rather than
a panacea.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 26, 2014, 12:31:28 AM
Quoting HopeGirl:

Don't count on that ever coming true.  It's arguable that that is just pablum to keep the QEG forum sheeple quiet because now they won't dare ask questions because they have been told that more data will be forthcoming.  There hasn't been even the slightest sense that between 20 and 30 "project engineers" have been working on anything in Morocco.  All that we saw of substance was the one ad-hoc claimed over unity clip that was filmed by the Facebook user "Allegedly Known as Dave."  That's the clip that is clearly and unambiguously under unity and HopeGirl is flogging it as an over unity clip.

We have seen nothing of substance at all from Taiwan and it's been over a month.  Where do the alleged 20 or 30 "engineers" in Morocco go now?  Do they all move to London?  Don't be surprised if you never hear them mentioned again.  The 5000 Chinese engineers?  If they actually rented a large hall in Taiwan and gave a presentation to 5000 Chinese engineers don't you think there would be some record of it and what transpired?

It's a classic move by professional promoters of fake free energy propositions.  Do a failed demo and then claim that there will be more data forthcoming in the future and then beat a hasty retreat and then never deliver the promised follow-up data.  I am not saying that this is what the HopeGirl gang will do, I can't predict the future.  Just don't be surprised if this is how it plays itself out.

In terms of the presentation of the technical data, so far it has been abysmal.  The use of the term "RMS power" is cringe-worthy.  Don't forget we are supposed to be dealing with a bunch of engineers.  Note that James tried different values of capacitance, which would have changed the resonant frequency of the primary tank circuit.  The primary tank is coupled to the secondary and that drives the resistive light bulb load.  With that setup it would be expected that there would be no major changes in the power into the load as he tried different capacitance values.  It's a very weak amateur-grade experiment in my opinion.  He should have tried varying the resistance of the light bulb load and noted the changes in input power and output power.  At least there you are investigating how varying the impedance of the load might affect the power throughput and the efficiency of the QEG.  In addition, he could have measured the resistance of the pair of secondary coils and at least accounted for his resistive losses in the secondary windings when he analyzed the power throughput as he varied the load impedance.

Not that any testing that I am suggesting is going to make much of a difference in the overall scheme of things.  17% efficiency for that funky WITTS-derived "[electrical]->[motor]->[mechanical]->[LC resonator]->[secondary]->[electrical]" transformer seems about right.  There is no quantum anything anywhere associated with that hunk of metal and wire.

MileHigh
The QEG is very quantum:  The scam artist Hope Girl exudes lots of positive energy so that cash that once belonged to followers pops out of existence in their wallets and pops back into existence in Hope Girl's purse.  The cash is quantized.  One can argue as to whether it is conserved during spooky interactions with her spending.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 26, 2014, 01:12:11 AM
@MileHigh
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The use of the term "RMS power" is cringe-worthy.

The use of the rms power is clearly an attempt to legitimized their original instantaneous peak power numbers they where quoting as a valid way to measure power (that is there are two ways to measure power in his eyes), and which set Jamie off on his quest believing he had an overunity machine. Like you have said before no Engineer would use the term rms power.

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Note that James tried different values of capacitance, which would have changed the resonant frequency of the primary tank circuit.  The primary tank is coupled to the secondary and that drives the resistive light bulb load.  With that setup it would be expected that there would be no major changes in the power into the load as he tried different capacitance values.  It's a very weak amateur-grade experiment in my opinion.  He should have tried varying the resistance of the light bulb load and noted the changes in input power and output power.  At least there you are investigating how varying the impedance of the load might affect the power throughput and the efficiency of the QEG.  In addition, he could have measured the resistance of the pair of secondary coils and at least accounted for his resistive losses in the secondary windings when he analyzed the power throughput as he varied the load impedance.

Right. They seem to have made no effort to properly impedance match the load to the secondary. They did not use the "exciter circuit" in there test that they published. I think they may have only recently understood what the output tank circuit is supposed to do, when he said that the Witts machine applied a constant loaded. I've got to believe that this is not an easy task since everything probably reflects through to the tuning of the primary tank circuit as well. It would be nice to have a couple of high voltage variable caps to do the tuning of the two tank circuits. They should have perhaps put in step down transformer on the output feeding an ac or dc inverter or something so that they could tune to a constant load impedance. i.e get rid of the light bulbs. It would be nice to get ones hands on a QEG to just play with it for a couple of days. I'm sure I could do much better than a pitiful 17%. May be 35 -40%.

To be fair to the process we really need to see a report from last week. I do not know why they published this report. It's a big big fail. Strategically a huge mistake. Why not use the more recent measurements post Dave's posting of his nonsense power boast. Jamie must be completely out of the loop or something!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 26, 2014, 02:21:27 AM
Q(£)G and Ke$he sitting in a tree...

I cannot keep in my seat this time.
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress....
$19,601 budget just to get a self runner, something that already should have been from the word go.

Oh and look here.... Round Trip (vacation) for 3 people again. We know James is the only one getting his hands dirty, why is it the other two must always tag along.

$3,150 a month - to feed 3 people in a poor impoverished location?
$1,000 taxi fees a month - where are you going to... the clubs, the movie theaters, the ocean front restaurants?
$2,500 a month - for maintaining what? and house sitting where?

Quote "Morocco is only one example of ending the insanity of poverty..." End quote
We know of 3 people in Morocco that lived up the good life and plan to return living extravagantly.

But most important of all if you have not noticed where is the money for the very thing in question where is the QEG purchases of parts?

Looks like QEG team is back at it with the 5,000 Chinese engineers again. They given their word they will open source their builds. All 5,000 of them? not 4,998 or 4,900 but all 5,0000. By the way of which I yet to see one peep out of one of them.

Quote "currently James is reporting 3000 Watts (5X), and some points 4500, 9460, 13,326, even 28,000 Watts!”" End quote
I fell of of my chair. I really fell of and hit the ground rolling.

At least we get a decent good looking report. Nothing special about the outcome. This report is before the magical Quantum coil was added and the OU claims started to come out of the wood works. Now, will a report on the current OU values be presented?

[Insert donation link]
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 26, 2014, 02:29:16 AM
HypeGirl said,
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The QEG project continues to be blessed, thanks to a very generous sponsorship offer! Our UK sponsor has agreed to buy all the parts and provide a building environment replete with equipment from one of the biggest systems development companies in the world. We will be building a 4th QEG, bring it to resonance and overunity, design the converter and reach self-running within 1 month.

Today's date is the 25th of May.

ROLL ON 25 JUNE!!!


I'll bet they don't. They will NOT reach self-running within 1 month. I'll bet they will also not return any of the money they collect based on that promise.

Any takers?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 26, 2014, 03:41:28 AM
TK:

I am posting a pic and quoting from this blog:

http://sitsshow.blogspot.ca/2014/05/status-of-qeg-build-morocco-build-day_24.html (http://sitsshow.blogspot.ca/2014/05/status-of-qeg-build-morocco-build-day_24.html)

The pic is in slightly higher resolution on the blog if you want to scrutinize it.  I am assuming the big vertical air coil (yellow) is part of the resonator associated with the spark gap.  I mentioned before that the spark gap is just plain silly IMO, it will just short out the peaks on the secondary output and drain energy away, including draining energy from the magnetically coupled primary tank circuit.  If that is indeed happening then James must be scratching his whiskers and twiddling and tweaking.  Like I stated previously, I have generic issues with the "Cult of the Spark Gap" that you see on the forums.  No secret sauce, no pixie dust with the spark gap.

Comment by "Justin" from the blog:

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We got word there was Over Unity achieved within QEG system the other day. We just helped Jamie film another update, with more data points than before, demonstrating this Over Unity Power being generated.

However, this power can not be drawn out of the QEG until the circuit which pulls the power out can be completed. Jamie is en route to another QEG build location to finalize those designs and hopefully we will have a fully functional QEG with self running generator and power outputs at standard household rates soon. Jamie attempted to use parts from a Microwave in order to invert the power but this was not successful.

Who knows, Justin may be in Morocco.  I hope that there will be another clip with more data points.  That line about Jamie playing with an MOT is not confidence inspiring, one more time.

Question:  I think I read somewhere that when they go to England they will build another QEG from scratch.  WHY?  WHY?  Bawahwahwah....  *snif*  I can't stand it!  Why wouldn't they just ship the one they built in Morocco to England?  Why start from scratch all over again?   Bahwahwahwah!!!

The line about "drawing power out" of the QEG.  That sounds like Jamie and company are going to embark on a step-down-transformer to a rectifier to a DC filter to an inverter input so that they can feed the inverter output back to the input to make the "self runner."

Now, based on the observations so far, that would be an "insane" thing to do because it would be fairly complicated and it appears that Jamie, if alone, would not have the wherewithal to do that.  If they have been "bluffing" about "engineers" on the team the whole time that puts Jamie in charge.

Considering where Team QEG stands right now, the most logical thing to do would be to simply measure the output power into a light bulb or resistive load.  You know that you can go on eBay and buy a knock-off 1500-watt electric oven heating element for about $30 USD.  Two oven heating elements and MarkE's great idea about running the secondary into another variac and then connecting the variac output to the oven heating elements would be a perfect solution for verifying the power output of the device.

However, reading between the lines from above, it looks like Jamie is going to go the transformer-rectifier-inverter route, WITHOUT doing the simple no-brainer due diligence of measuring the AC power output FIRST.

If all the above is indeed true, then we will have a two-week QEG build, followed by four or more weeks of Jamie stumbling through the process of trying to get an inverter output looping back to the input - all on the dime of the crowd funding wanna believers.

It's will be a sad story if this does indeed take place.  Plus NONE of this should be taking place because they claimed they had a working over unity QEG.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 26, 2014, 04:27:19 AM
Found one of a few patterns.  Something for you numerologist to ponder over.

(3),000 average of expenses per month listed.  http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/
(3)0 engineers in Morocco.
(3)rd phase development donation funding.  http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG
(3)00 dollars an hour charge to consult over skype.  http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html
(3)000 dollars for a complete processed core.
(3)0+ years of electronics engineering experience by James http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/04/03/if-you-build-it-and-give-it-away-they-will-come-qeg-full-disclosure/
(3)0+ countries are starting up CICUs specifically for the production of QEG’s http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/qeg-open-sourced/
(3) round trip plane tickets to all the spots they go.
(3)0 day vacations under the guise of free energy.
(3)00 poor people in Aouchtam to have a well to provide water powered by the QEG.  http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/10/what-its-like-to-try-to-build-a-free-energy-device-in-an-underdeveloped-country/

Anyone interested enough could read and see much more of this 3 pattern from hopegirls blog posts.  I know about favorite colors.  Seems there is also a favorite in numbers.

Don't underestimate hopegirl.  She is a mastermind by all means.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 26, 2014, 04:37:53 AM
3 strikes and you're out?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on May 26, 2014, 04:38:17 AM
I don't have the information to form a definate opinion on hopegirl.

But I know for sure that hope/changegirl is a big time scammer.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on May 26, 2014, 05:06:39 AM
(3),000 average of expenses per month listed.  http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/
derestimate hopegirl.  She is a mastermind by all means.


Shouldn't all of the other world replicators (wasn't that the idea of open sourcing prior to self looping
per the Sterling Allan Interview) be allowed to crowd fund also.
Since they are now sharing in "Phase 3 - Self Looping" of the QEG dream.



I know that most replicators must be viewing this thread, especially since there are more technical (real replication results, suggested testing parameters, safety tips - thanks TK and a myriad of other positive and negative info) details here than any other entire website in internet christendom - including the official be-do.com forum with all of 4 posts per day excluding "welcome mat" bumpf.
And that is post overunity announcement.



jbignes5, this would have been a much more entertaining thread if you had divulged how much your cash conribution was.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Artoj on May 26, 2014, 05:48:59 AM
ACG, well picked up, I look for those signs every time I see bloated claims for F(th)ree Energy. This is an old Masonic trick that is used to entrain the followers into a belief system. It can also be used to break the chains of deception, when you can see what they are really doing. We have now seeing all the lies, the fraud and the smoke and mirrors played out in a clear light, best to define the parameters that term "Free Energy" implies and then we can put to rest all the deception that goes with its terminology. COP - Free Energy - Overunity - are three terms as well, if anything good comes from all this then we need to Codify these terms, no ambiguity, hard FACTS, provable equations, straight forward procedures, simple instrumentation - minimum requirements for any replication. These are things we can all contribute to, after all, are we all not researchers? This is why we are here. Regards Arto.
   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 26, 2014, 08:34:38 AM
Well, since it's a slow night and there isn't much else happening...

What kind of system
-follows one or more Tesla patents, with unique improvements
-depends on resonance to operate
-uses about 150-200 nF high-voltage capacitance in a tank circuit
-uses a carefully constructed spark gap
-uses a mains-powered Variac to regulate input power
-has a "primary" circuit operating in the 2 kV range
-has a tuned "secondary" circuit with outrageous output values
-makes a lot of noise when operating
-lights stuff up

Answer: The QEG !   No, that's not the one I had in mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTaIj5qLoH0
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on May 26, 2014, 09:53:16 AM



  Koala,
          brilliant video!   Build quality and photography outstanding, the ripples are plain
  to see.
     If some of these folk could show similar qualities to back up their claims you wouldn't
  have to doubt their results.
                     John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 26, 2014, 02:55:53 PM
Thanks!

While I posted the video mostly for entertainment purposes, there are a few important points associated with it as well.

First and foremost: If someone ever actually does achieve not just "resonance" but VRSWR... that is, Voltage Rise by Standing Wave Resonance .... the whole point of seeking "resonance" IMHO .... in a system with 2kV in the "primary" circuit, they had better watch out. There is no insulation other than distance that will protect your equipment and your person from instant destruction when that true VRSWR point is reached in a tuned set of coils with a quarter-wave secondary resonator. The QEG people are saved from this -- so far at least -- by several things: First, any truly high voltages will instantly short out by arcing, as they have already discovered to their cost even with only moderate voltages, due to their naive HV component and wiring layout. Second, they have a saturable core reactor. When the core saturates from high currents in the windings no further increase in output power can be attained no matter what happens on the input side. The vacuum (or air) cores in a Tesla resonant system do not saturate.

Next: Real "Tesla Systems" are deceptive in their simplicity. It might look like a bunch of scavenged hardware junk bolted and glued together but there are actually some very sophisticated design and construction principles in play. One of my original purposes in constructing that particular coil was to illustrate how important the Spark Gap construction and performance is to a Tesla VRSWR system. Recalling our basic electromagnetic physics, we remember that the voltage induced in a secondary coil is proportional to the rate of change of the current in the primary coil. This translates into the practical requirement of fast rise and fall times of the primary's current: rapid onset and rapid quenching of the interruptor spark. The Spark Gap is very critical to success with this kind of system. Tesla spent a lot of time and thought on spark gaps and other circuit interruptors and I think this work is neglected these days. A simple 2-element adjustable gap "barely works" in a powerful system because a power arc forms and the gap doesn't strike or interrupt rapidly and winds up wasting a lot of power. This kind of gap can be made to work well, as I show in the video, by literally blowing the spark out with a powerful blast of compressed air. But you will literally never see a simple 2-element gap being used in a real fullblown SGTC. High-speed rotary gaps, multiple electrode gaps, and other types of gap will be used to attain the same result: sharp striking and as rapid quenching as possible. MileHigh, the Spark Gap is a sophisticated bit of kit and really is critical! And a couple of automotive spark plugs in a little plastic display case are just not going to provide the performance needed to attain real VRSWR in a resonant Tesla system.

Things like coil aspect ratio, adjustable magnetic coupling, primary tank inductance tuning, secondary flashover insulation, secondary terminal capacitance, Earth grounding, and even the local environment like distance from ground plane and other environmental factors... all are important for performance of a true Tesla VRSWR system like a traditional SGTC.

The QEG is not a Tesla coil, of course, in spite of the people invoking the "holy name" of Tesla and the "holy miracle" of Resonance. However many of the same design and operating principles must come into play.  I do not believe that their present construction and layout, as shown in the nice photo up above, will allow their system safely to reach the kinds of voltages they have been talking about, if at all, and they are likely to have some very expensive equipment failures along the way should they attempt to do so with their present layout.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 26, 2014, 05:25:19 PM
One more simple test:


http://youtu.be/20MhbKBjCmA (http://youtu.be/20MhbKBjCmA)




Improvements/changes made since my last run:


1) Installed 2 sparks plugs to protect the high voltage coils against  voltage surge that happened when the system starts to resonate.
2) Installed a capacitor bank in the low voltage coils


Results:
Input : 10.23 Amps X 66 Volts
Output : 2.53 amps X 97 Volts
Frequency = 235 Hz


Coils values:
A) High voltage coil ( 3100 turns of 20 awg wire)
33 Ohms
13 Henry without rotor
18 Henry with rotor




B) Low voltage coil ( 350 turns of 2X16 awg wire)
1.0 ohm
0.26 Henry without rotor
0.32 Henry with rotor


One thing that I noticed but I didn't mentioned in the video. " With the system running (235 Hz) I grabbed a neodymium magnetic and I felt a high vibration 3 feet away from the equipment.
I have made the same test in others equipment, like transformers, (big ones), big motors running in low and high speed using a VFD drives and I never noticed anything like that...
Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on May 26, 2014, 08:20:28 PM
Hi Ariovaldo,

so you have 675 Watts input and
about 225 Watts output ?

Many thanks for reporting these tests,
so you are also still stuck on about 36 % Efficiency as well as
the last video with  Peak to Peak measurements in Morroco
has also shown about 36 % efficiency...

So better you try now the coil shorting method of Aviso-Konehead,
otherwise you will get stuck to this low efficiency.

You can just also easily try just to fastly open and close
the output current and collect BackEMF via a fast rectifier bridge in a load
capacitor.
Good luck !

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 26, 2014, 08:41:34 PM




One thing that I noticed but I didn't mentioned in the video. " With the system running (235 Hz) I grabbed a neodymium magnetic and I felt a high vibration 3 feet away from the equipment.
I have made the same test in others equipment, like transformers, (big ones), big motors running in low and high speed using a VFD drives and I never noticed anything like that...
Cheers


Ariovaldo

All of my Bedeni motors do that, especially the JohnnyDavro no bearing type.  I can hold a large 1" dia. neo 3 feet away (a little further and the effect goes away) and it is like and invisible hammer is hitting it.  Funny thing is that as fast as my rotors are turning (10,000-15,000 rpm) the "hammering" does not appear to correlate with the rotor rpm, it is much, much less.  It might be some % of rpm, I have never tested it.  It is a very weird sensation.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 26, 2014, 09:01:48 PM
Hi Ariovaldo,

so you have 675 Watts input and
about 225 Watts output ?

Many thanks for reporting these tests,
so you are also still stuck on about 36 % Efficiency as well as
the last video with  Peak to Peak measurements in Morroco
has also shown about 36 % efficiency...

So better you try now the coil shorting method of Aviso-Konehead,
otherwise you will get stuck to this low efficiency.

You can just also easily try just to fastly open and close
the output current and collect BackEMF via a fast rectifier bridge in a load
capacitor.
Good luck !

Regards, Stefan.
Thanks for the tips...
I already have a mechanic switch to test. I just need some time to assemble it...
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 26, 2014, 11:02:37 PM
It will be fun to watch a mechanical interrupter breaking the current from a 10 or 20 Henry coil at 2 kV ! Please be sure to make a video....

and be sure to wear your safety shades!

 8)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 26, 2014, 11:15:46 PM
It will be fun to watch a mechanical interrupter breaking the current from a 10 or 20 Henry coil at 2 kV ! Please be sure to make a video....

and be sure to wear your safety shades!

 8)


I will test it in the low voltage coil.....in the high voltage side, I had installed the spark gaps and I know what you mean about " fun". The first running with the spark gaps open whit 5 mm gave me a " start " even waiting for the sparks, it was funny to watch.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 26, 2014, 11:33:11 PM
Thanks for the tips...
I already have a mechanic switch to test. I just need some time to assemble it...


This is what I have.
I need to prepare my PWM drive


Cheers
Ariovaldo

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 27, 2014, 02:36:00 AM
Do you plan to use any snubbers, flyback, or TVS circuits?  The energy stored in your winding inductance has the potential to unleash some really nasty arcs if you don't.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 27, 2014, 02:55:12 AM
Do you plan to use any snubbers, flyback, or TVS circuits?  The energy stored in your winding inductance has the potential to unleash some really nasty arcs if you don't.
Not really... but if I get a ' nasty arcs"  as you are saying, I will install a big resistor in series using the same principle that we use in Electrostatic precipitators, that works with HV. 100 kV in many cases.


Thanks
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 27, 2014, 04:35:35 AM
It's a dark and rainy night here, so I thought I would dig up some more High Voltage stuff for your amusement. I was doing this work a little over a year ago. It's not really that far off-topic if people are starting to work with high voltages and large capacitances and inductances.

Here is some more EHV experimentation: Water drop triggered spark gap overview, showing the difference between a power arc and a true spark:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KGvwn_T8Ww

A slide show of some photos of the spark-arc going _around not through_ the falling water drops, captured by the light of the spark itself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aGIcIgtrLk (watch in HD)
I was very surprised by these results; I thought that the arc would go through the water droplets and vaporize them and I'd be able to catch that process. It turns out that the drops do shatter, but a little later than the instant captured by the spark flash.


Now this is a tiny system, less than 100 W input even during the power arc, but it does charge up the 2 or 4 nF of capacitance to 15 - 18 kV pretty quickly as you can tell from the first video at high droplet rate. I hope that these little demos can give some idea of what working with high voltages is like. Mechanical commutation with conductive parts close together requires some advanced trickery to be successful.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 27, 2014, 04:46:18 AM
You know the phenomenon of the believers.  I found this amazing clip about perception.  Use this clip as a metaphor for what people may see when they watch a free energy clip or in this case believe in HopeGirl and the Fix the World vision and the QEG.

Look at this clip and focus on the perception and then try to visualize what some people "see" when they see something that they believe in.  Sometimes I look at a clip and I am stone cold unimpressed, and there are others that are so convinced that it's real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tnlveKfDuyk&feature=player_embedded
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 27, 2014, 05:01:11 AM
Well....OK.... then you'll probably go wild over this one I just now made.

Resonance: calculating, constructing, tuning a small resonant system to harvest electrosmog, ambient power or wirelessly transmitted power:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80D92QaOcM4
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on May 27, 2014, 09:11:19 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NVBiY13osE&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NVBiY13osE&feature=youtu.be)






Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Lakes on May 27, 2014, 09:33:25 AM
Well....OK.... then you'll probably go wild over this one I just now made.

Resonance: calculating, constructing, tuning a small resonant system to harvest electrosmog, ambient power or wirelessly transmitted power:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80D92QaOcM4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gcui0K7JZXA

Note: the circuit he links to, is not the correct one.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 27, 2014, 10:25:23 AM
"There are no legitimate scientific arguments that can explain how the QEG is supposed to allegedly work.  From what I can see so far, the QEG is doing exactly what it is supposed to do, and what it is expected to do - act like a very crappy generator."


That is a quote


Only?? I feel this QEG is working and as a scalar wave generator.  And as long as they try to tune it using traditional methods (made for EMF) they will NOT gain much ground.  But let us look at it in scalar definitions, then we can see what is causing the now present energy.   Tom Bearden should be contacted and sourced to find similarities between the QEG using the known scalar producing theory.   You may just move on to any remark you wish and ignore this input.  But that will not change the facts that it can not be explained using EMF formulas.


Tesla was fascinated by the bi-filar coils ability to convert massive amounts of EMF into scalar waves which then produced heat.  That was caused by the energies flowing in opposite directions and causing EMF friction.  So we can make heat,  that does not solve for creating energy.  I think to vortexes flowing in opposite directions will be the opposite action of the bi-filar coil.   We get heat from making the emf moving in opposite directions, of course the will attract to each other and friction makes the heat.  Lets make scalar waves repel each other and then make energy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on May 27, 2014, 10:41:26 AM
But... but.... hundreds of Engineers! Twenty years of experience at ShopVac! Inventions!


Even the 2kV peak-to-peak values they have shown can teach them a powerful lesson. One that only needs to be experienced once. One that _can_ only be experienced... once.

My MOT-DC SGTC coil working has around 2 kV input to the primary tank (from a microwave oven transformer), and something like 170 nF of capacitance charged to that voltage. It scares the crap out of me. One may look at my videos to see how carefully I handle that with layout and procedure, even with bleeders on the cap bank.

I almost died one afternoon. I had charged up a big 30 kV rated Maxwell pulse capacitor, 0.3 uF IIRC, using a Bonetti machine, in preparation for a wire explosion shot. The system was supposed to fire automatically when the main airgap overvolted... but it didn't. So I took my "jesus pole" and shorted the airgap manually... and the capacitor exploded.  I estimate that the cap probably charged to over 60 kV. I was wearing a full face guard and earmuffs, a good thing because shards of the capacitor case went flying, oil splattered everywhere, and the main capacitor remnant (an oil-filled stack of paper and copper foil) caught on fire. This is a physically large capacitor, about 2 feet long and six by four inches rectangular, with one terminal on each long end.  I put out the fire and was cleaning up, went to put a safety short across the terminals of the remnant... and accidentally brushed against some of the foil hanging out. There was enough charge left in the shattered capacitor to knock me across the room and leave me unconscious. Probably only for a few seconds. This was a good thing because I was completely alone in the lab (Bldg 29, Alameda NAS) with no one around, literally for miles.


What parallels I see in what happened at 911 to cars nowhere near the collapse zone.  They caught fire and flipped from some strange whip like snap of scalar waves.  You scholars (scalars)+ (lol) of Tesla have read of the odd effects huge discharges have had on close yet not seemingly to close objects.  How many similarities do we need to list before we see how scalar waves could be causing all this phenomena.   I must have my scalar blind filter glasses on,  can anyone else see the parallels?
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 27, 2014, 10:54:22 AM
"There are no legitimate scientific arguments that can explain how the QEG is supposed to allegedly work.  From what I can see so far, the QEG is doing exactly what it is supposed to do, and what it is expected to do - act like a very crappy generator."


That is a quote


Only?? I feel this QEG is working and as a scalar wave generator. 
You can feel whatever you like.  The evidence presented to date is in line with MileHigh's assessment.
Quote
And as long as they try to tune it using traditional methods (made for EMF) they will NOT gain much ground.  But let us look at it in scalar definitions, then we can see what is causing the now present energy.
The energy out evidenced is a small fraction of the input energy.
Quote
 

Tom Bearden should be contacted and sourced to find similarities between the QEG using the known scalar producing theory.   You may just move on to any remark you wish and ignore this input.  But that will not change the facts that it can not be explained using EMF formulas.[/font]
What behavior of the QEG do you think  has not been explained adequately by existing theory?
Quote


Tesla was fascinated by the bi-filar coils ability to convert massive amounts of EMF into scalar waves which then produced heat.  That was caused by the energies flowing in opposite directions and causing EMF friction.  So we can make heat,  that does not solve for creating energy.  I think to vortexes flowing in opposite directions will be the opposite action of the bi-filar coil.   We get heat from making the emf moving in opposite directions, of course the will attract to each other and friction makes the heat.  Lets make scalar waves repel each other and then make energy.
In circuits, we dissipate energy as heat when we: drive currents through resistances, including eddy currents, or we drive magnetics around their hysteresis loops. 

A bifilar coil forms a tightly coupled winding.  Particularly when wound on a core the mutual inductance is many times the leakage inductance.  In exchange, the mutal capacitance is much higher than for other winding structures.  While bifilar windings are useful for many applications, there is nothing mysterious or magic about them.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Shanti on May 27, 2014, 11:06:11 AM
I'm always puzzled what people always tell Tesla said or did...

Quote
Tesla was fascinated by the bi-filar coils ability to convert massive amounts of EMF into scalar waves which then produced heat.

Please quote, the original article from Tesla, where he said anything like that. If you are not able to, then better not just proclaim things about Tesla, for which you do not have any support to back it.

As has been said, the famous bifilar coils are nothing fancy. Tesla mentions them as a possibility to increase the capacitance in the coil, which is useful for certain applications.

And BTW: AS read from all the articles from Tesla, it doesn't seem he has made a lot of use of them...

E.g. in a typical Tesla Coil or Magnifier you actually want exactly the opposite. There you have to get rid of as much capacitance in your coil as possible. That's why Tesla even describes in his CS-Notes how already the insulation of the wire unnecessarily increases the capacity in the coil, and that it's advantageous  to take bare wire with air in between the windings.
There it's a hard trade-off between more inductance, and more capacitance you get by winding them closer. But I get offtopic...


@Tinsel:
It's also a bit offtopic, OK, but I could well believe the reason for the spark going around the water drop is, that the water surface is highly ionized.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on May 27, 2014, 11:35:00 AM

What parallels I see in what happened at 911 to cars nowhere near the collapse zone.  They caught fire and flipped from some strange whip like snap of scalar waves.  You scholars (scalars)+ (lol) of Tesla have read of the odd effects huge discharges have had on close yet not seemingly to close objects.  How many similarities do we need to list before we see how scalar waves could be causing all this phenomena.   I must have my scalar blind filter glasses on,  can anyone else see the parallels?


Hi Hope,
Good, and in only a few minutes directly 2 times reacted with a firm "no", from ........ ?
Maybe the Vars are a magnet for Scalar, make order, VARS and order again, look also at EF.
Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 28, 2014, 02:53:38 AM
Scalar wave energy cars!  ;D


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 28, 2014, 03:15:29 AM
On a more serious note, there is a poster on Be-Do that is in the "QEG zone."

Quote
Aligator31 posted a brilliant design idea using Russian 4x12x62mm ferrite flat bars. I have just finished doing the calculations on that design in a 6 page PDF, which I will post soon.
 
 I show how doubling up on the core stack 6 deep instead of 3 deep to double the cross sectional core area, provides a 1500W device costing less than $400 to build. Further placing a second core stack below the PCB (as just one idea) you have a 3000W device for just a few dollars more.
 
 With only 364 turns on primary coils using 16# wire and 24 turns on o/p gets you a 1.5kW mini-QEG. The calculations show where the problem dissipation areas are, it appears a 27:1 over unity factor is a possibility. Primary voltage is only 200V peak on the primary.

Quote
Now when a Lenz law reverse response hits the air-core transformer (the only one that actually exists as a transformer in any real sense driven by a resonance excitation), the effect has nowhere to go in context of the air-core - there aren't any corresponding "air coils", so the effect cascades down upon the coils of the metal-core, and voila - it encounters that dead short, and is slammed to zero excess power. All that happens is a largish reflected load current dissipates plenty of heat in the primary wire, so thick wire is good, but beyond that a BIG FAT ZERO POWER due to the zero volts across that dead short. A 10,000W o/p load is balanced by a 0W power budget in the primary, which is just unheard in the electrical profession. I am an electrical engineer, but in all my born days never would I have ever suspected something like this. All there is in the primary is a few watts in the wire due to the size of the reflected load current. Understanding how that is even possible is the key to appreciating how over unity works

Quote
Actually I see a new inverter topology (I have already designed an initial prototype), which incorporates an over unity device built tight into its o/p power section, so the the MOSFETs of the H-Bridge are switching at very low power. The QEG belongs at the input of the inverter, but it is also true an over unity device needs to be built into the inverter itself, to dramatically reduce cost, and heat, power complexity of the H-bridge switching elements.

And so on.  If there are QEG builders reading, especially newbies, the user "vgray35" might be wowing you with his technical knowledge and he claims he is a retired engineer.  He is sounding very technical and some things he says make sense but he is using a really contorted way of expressing himself which is a red flag.  He is also tripping into the electronics fantasy zone, and that makes no sense.  So, in all honesty, don't give any credence to his multiple claims of over unity circuits.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 28, 2014, 04:33:35 AM
Don't shoot the messenger. I just received this link and I never saw that before.


http://www.wardenclyffe.es/inicio.html


Cheers
Ariovaldo


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on May 28, 2014, 04:54:59 AM
Don't shoot the messenger. I just received this link and I never saw that before.


http://www.wardenclyffe.es/inicio.html


Cheers
Ariovaldo

Even Sterling thinks this one is a scam. That has to tell you something.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:05:27#Wardenclyffe.es_Most_Likely_a_Scam_--_Possible_Decoy



wardenclyffe have pictures on their website with their own logo on machines, claming them as theirs,  which are regular generators built by
http://www.chin-power.cn/factory.html
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 28, 2014, 04:56:02 AM
Even Sterling thinks this one is a scam. That has to tell you something.

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:05:27#Wardenclyffe.es_Most_Likely_a_Scam_--_Possible_Decoy (http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:05:27#Wardenclyffe.es_Most_Likely_a_Scam_--_Possible_Decoy)



wardenclyffe have pictures on their website with their own logo on machines which are regular generators built by
http://www.chin-power.cn/factory.html (http://www.chin-power.cn/factory.html)


Yes, I know.....
Thanks
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on May 28, 2014, 05:14:09 AM

Yes, I know.....
Thanks

Glad to hear.  :)

That is what makes you different from the other posters at be-do.com.

Willing to hear evidence that goes against the "message".




By the way. How long do you think you would last over there if you posted actual efficiency figures regarding you replication efforts.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on May 28, 2014, 07:01:50 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_kXFGNdANU




[size=0px]http://youtu.be/-04V_NIrC0k (http://youtu.be/-04V_NIrC0k)[/size]




Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 30, 2014, 01:24:26 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_kXFGNdANU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_kXFGNdANU)




[size=0px]http://youtu.be/-04V_NIrC0k (http://youtu.be/-04V_NIrC0k)[/size]




Wesley

But have you got five thousand Chinese engineers who have promised to Open Source your project? HopeGirl does.

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/

You are "sharking" up the wrong tree.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 30, 2014, 11:03:24 PM
More from Hope.http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 30, 2014, 11:46:14 PM
More from Hope.http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/
Yet another lie.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on May 31, 2014, 01:15:51 AM
Are you just a troll to state something without demonstrating it?!

I was until now VERY DOUBTFUL about the whole thing, but see this vid and studying the so clear report which fits exactly to the vid, I bet these guys are genuine.

My main arguments are:

1. In this last doc and vid, all is perfectly clear;

2. What is actually claimed is what is indeed demonstrated: not Real Power overunity but VARs overunity.

If indeed they can transform this VARs Power in Real Power, we all win (except off course the main energetical industry and their trolls, off course ;) ).

Well, could be I am wrong, but except the French teems on the Richard Vialle's Autogenerator, I have never seen since I follow this quest of Free Energy, so clear and factual report with so precise usable measurements.

Regards to any honest to this Quest, and Very Well Done for this So Very Clear Vid and professional report like I would have always dreamed to see hete around.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 31, 2014, 01:40:21 AM
Since I don't know your level of competency in electricity/electronics, I will explain in simple terms.
All V and I values were mentioned as p-p, not rms. That give a very distorted idea of OU. The ONLY real, useful power was dissipated into the lights; judging from the intensity (one was dim) maybe 300W. vs 600W in, gives 50% efficiency, tops.
Where did you see a promise of OU?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 31, 2014, 01:44:43 AM
I think that this is the best video that has been released so far. And should be a great help as to what is going on with the QEG.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on May 31, 2014, 01:54:06 AM
Thanks for preciding your point of view.

Well, if you did see the rms values it is just because you didn't study the report.

And the claim is not conventional for now, as it is ratio between AVRs output under Real Power consumption, and the VARs go up to 2.05 kVARs rms (see report on the blog after the vid).

But as this very specific claim, the values looks perfectly in agreement and the orders of magnitude too great to be just false reading, imho.

So 2.000 / 600 = "COP"* 30.0.

*: the " " are very intended. COPs are one of my specialities in energetic engineering.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 31, 2014, 02:45:55 AM
More from Hope.http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/
I would like to see the self looped operation that she seems to claim they've achieved.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on May 31, 2014, 03:25:11 AM
Thanks for preciding your point of view.

Well, if you did see the rms values it is just because you didn't study the report.

And the claim is not conventional for now, as it is ratio between AVRs output under Real Power consumption, and the VARs go up to 2.05 kVARs rms (see report on the blog after the vid).

But as this very specific claim, the values looks perfectly in agreement and the orders of magnitude too great to be just false reading, imho.

So 2.000 / 600 = "COP"* 30.0.

*: the " " are very intended. COPs are one of my specialities in energetic engineering.

2,000/600= 3.333, not 30. "COPs are one of my specialities in energetic engineering" maybe not.
I did NOT see rms values, but should have.
The VARs are immaterial; the only real power is < 300W.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 31, 2014, 03:32:23 AM
Yes it would be great to see the QEG self looped. But that is not going to happen. My hope is that now they will move forward and attempt the self looping. It will be very interesting to see how this is done.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rigel4 on May 31, 2014, 03:33:07 AM
I would like to see the self looped operation that she seems to claim they've achieved.

Well what are you wait'n for close your eyes click you heels.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 31, 2014, 04:32:44 AM
In the most recent video James mentions that there
are three resonances in certain configurations but
that only one is "phase locked."

In the demonstration as he is adjusting the Variac
to bring the motor up to speed it appears that one
resonance point is briefly transitioned through as
the lamps flash momentarily before the resonance
lock occurs, with its characteristic sound, where the
lamps once again illuminate steadily.

Have the other resonances been explored to see
what their characteristics are?  It is possible that
their present efforts may be focused on the wrong
resonance.  Or that the other resonances may have
a critical relationship which is being missed.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 31, 2014, 04:33:35 AM
Thanks for preciding your point of view.

Well, if you did see the rms values it is just because you didn't study the report.

And the claim is not conventional for now, as it is ratio between AVRs output under Real Power consumption, and the VARs go up to 2.05 kVARs rms (see report on the blog after the vid).

But as this very specific claim, the values looks perfectly in agreement and the orders of magnitude too great to be just false reading, imho.

So 2.000 / 600 = "COP"* 30.0.

*: the " " are very intended. COPs are one of my specialities in energetic engineering.

In a way you are correct.  The measurements appear valid.  To date, I have yet to read anyone question the measurements.  You see, the error is in the interpretation.  The calculations is what is being questioned.  Earlier peak to peaks were announced as the output power.  Should have not be calculated that way.  Or should have used peak to peak for the input.  Now reactive power is being used.  Either method is good for keeping the ball rolling.  The donations soar after the word is out using incorrect interpretations of power.  When you dabble with reactive power you better make it very clear on your calculations and show every phase angle power factor product each step of the way, which by the way no such effort in the report shown.  And as seen on the report and video, the phase angle is very high resulting in much lower true power.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 31, 2014, 04:39:04 AM
I too had the same thought on the other resonant points. The second one (I think) showed to be very bright.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 31, 2014, 04:45:20 AM
Are you just a troll to state something without demonstrating it?!

I was until now VERY DOUBTFUL about the whole thing, but see this vid and studying the so clear report which fits exactly to the vid, I bet these guys are genuine.

My main arguments are:

1. In this last doc and vid, all is perfectly clear;

2. What is actually claimed is what is indeed demonstrated: not Real Power overunity but VARs overunity.

If indeed they can transform this VARs Power in Real Power, we all win (except off course the main energetical industry and their trolls, off course ;) ).

Well, could be I am wrong, but except the French teems on the Richard Vialle's Autogenerator, I have never seen since I follow this quest of Free Energy, so clear and factual report with so precise usable measurements.

Regards to any honest to this Quest, and Very Well Done for this So Very Clear Vid and professional report like I would have always dreamed to see hete around.

Obviously some people just don't get it.

All the activity (oscillating power) in the Tank is input from the power supply. Fact or fiction ?

If not where does it come from ? I'm certain that the energy in the tank can be demonstrated to be "from the supply", by careful measurement.

Attaining a large amount of oscillating power in a resonant tank is the easy part thousands of people do it every day. Seeing the "QEG" showing a larger oscillating power than the input power is not even interesting or out of the ordinary.

Many have claimed that the greater oscillating power than input power is OU but none have shown any evidence or argument that is sensible.

Any half descent resonant tank can show a great amount of oscillating power. That is not output. Before energy can go out, it must go in as we cannot make energy.

There is no mechanism I can see for any external energy to enter the device, then be output to an intended load.

I myself have achieved hundreds of watts activity with under 10 watts input. This is nothing more than accumulated energy from the supply.

...


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 31, 2014, 05:08:54 AM
At this point I just want to see their attempt to self loop. And wouldn't all agree that this last post is the most detail that has been provided to-date on their set-up and the measuring procedures used. I am not saying that the have achieved OU yet. I am only saying that this is the most information that has been provided so far.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on May 31, 2014, 05:16:42 AM
More from Hope.http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/)

This report is good in the sense that it explains what the setup is exactly and what has been measured and how.

I have read the report in detail and based on the reported measurements (not the reported interpretations), there is no overunity. The analytical analysis of the test results is lacking.

Here is my feedback on the various new experiments they did:

Experiment 2
6x100W bulb load is in the secondary circuit in series with the coil. Resistance of a single bulb is 576ohms (100W at 240V). Or total load is 6x 576 = 3456 ohms (when hot). Their resistance number of 251.5 ohms appears to be the measured cold resistance of one bulb (or 6 bulbs in series; this is not clearly stated).

No efficiency is mentioned for the secondary circuit but it is clearly under unity based on the traces (around 30% max).

Then the power is analyzed in the primary circuit. In this case there is no load in the primary circuit, so of course what is measured is not real power. What seems not to be understood by them is that measuring reactive power in the primary can not be simply assumed as transferable into real power or into extractable power. In fact the energy oscillating in the primary circuit is energy stored in the coils and capacitor; the energy is transferred from the coils to the capacitor, then back from the capacitor to the coils, etc. Some energy is dissipated in the coil's resistance. What is actually measured is the rate (power = energy / second) of energy transfer between the coil and capacitor. They mention a number of 22,800 VAR, or 22,800 Joules going back and forth every second between coil and capacitor. This is certainly possible, but should not be used to claim overunity. With a 100% efficient motor drawing 607W, it would only take 37.5 seconds for the motor to build up this energy into the primary circuit. The question remains, how much real power can one draw from the primary without destroying the resonance and whether this number is more or less than the 607W that the motor puts in. From all experiments done to date, this number has always been less than what the motor consumes.

Experiment 3
This experiment is similar to Experiment 2 except that the load appears in the primary coils.
For the secondary coils, the same logic applies as what is explained above for the primary coils. What is measured is an energy transfer rate between coil and capacitor, not extractable power. In order to determine extractable power, a load has to be placed into the secondary circuit.
For the primary coils, it appears the voltage is measured over the load and capacitor together (or over the coil), so the current shape is very non-sinusoidal and there is no point discussing RMS power in this case. The voltage should instead have been measured over the bulbs to get an estimate of what the real efficiency might have been in this configuration. Here again no over unity is shown. Just some numbers that show the energy transfer rate of energy accumulated in the circuit between coil and capacitor.

Despite the fact that no overunity was shown, I think it is good though for everyone to see the full measurement report and raw data (despite the fact that some of the conclusions drawn in the report are incorrect). People should be able to draw their own conclusions based on the raw data.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 31, 2014, 05:41:11 AM
It's pretty much the status quo being hyped by HopeGirl:

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/)

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Our goal for QEG power out was 10,000 Watts. The tests show that the potential power out far exceeds this goal! The QEG in Morocco as shown in this video has been tested to produce almost 20,000 VARs energy out with 600 Watts energy in. After the output VARs are converted to Watts in the QEG 3rd phase of development, (which is a relatively simple phase) this will be equivalent to over 33 times overunity. This is a conservative rating as the input can be varied to 1,000 Watts energy in to produce 30,000 VARs energy out.  There is A LOT of power in the QEG core!

The above is hardcore snake oil salesman talk.  There is NO power in the QEG core.

The new clip:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhd0Ebygriw&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhd0Ebygriw&feature=youtu.be)

The new "Version 2" test document:  https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-june-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v2-011.pdf (https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-june-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v2-011.pdf)

Note the results in the first test in the clip are even worse:  The input power is about 600 watts, and the output power is 93 watts.   That's about 16% efficiency.  Nothing positive there.  (I am making a reasonable assumption that they are getting the RMS voltage and current values from the DSO, but they never show the real-time RMS values being displayed on the DSO in the clip itself.)

This quote from Version 2:

Quote
Although the voltage (Ch 1 – yellow) has a fairly regular waveform, the current (Ch 2 – cyan) has an irregular waveform with a ‘double
peak’, possibly indicating that the system is not fully tuned. The voltage is 14kVpk-pk / 4100VRMS (using a 1000X probe) and
the current is 1.63Apk-pk  /  0.5ARMS  (using a 10X probe).  It is difficult to be certain of the  phase difference between the
voltage and current  due to the double peak nature of the  current waveform.  This  set-up  gives a  Reactive Power  of
22.8kVARpk-pk or 2050kVARRMS, and a Reactive Power Efficiency of 338%.

The waveform they are talking about is shown below.

"due to the double peak nature of the  current waveform."  They think there is a "double peak" but in fact there is not truly a double peak at all.

"Possibly indicating that the system is not fully tuned."  What the heck, this waveform was captured when they were IN RESONANCE.  That's just an amateur speculation on the part of the Fix the World gang.

"It is difficult to be certain of the  phase difference between the voltage and current  due to the double peak nature of the  current waveform."  Hah!  Caught again!  It's is plain as day that the phase difference is almost exactly 90 degrees.  James Robitaille, you have met your match in this circuit and you can forget about all claims to being an "engineer" as far as I am concerned.

"Reactive Power Efficiency."  WHAT?  Never heard that term in my life.  It's a made-up BS term.

So, James and the "team of engineers" are failing to understand the scope waveforms.  BUSTED!

With respect to the reactive power, the famous "VARs," they are stating that the goal is to turn the reactive power into real power. The argument is that there is more reactive power than power input, and all that they have to do is convert the mysterious reactive power into real power.  Now that might sound plausible to a lay person, (and they may donate) but it's not true.

One more time, this is a nonsensical proposition.  It's something that can't be done, and they are trying to suggest that it can be done.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 31, 2014, 05:50:58 AM
This quote from HopeGirl:

Quote
It is imperative to mention that the people who showed up at the public QEG build where of the highest professional caliber: physicists, and electical engineers from several of the top leading industries. All were there to volunteer their time and talent to the mission of the project of bringing this free energy to the world.

I don't for a second believe that serious physicists and engineers were there.  Look at the report, they are admitting that they can't see a 90 degree phase shift in the bloody waveforms for a CAPACITOR!

This is just like John Rohner claiming that he designed the spark plug timing and firing circuit and then when he is chatting about it with someone on Facebook he falls flat on his face and it's abundantly clear that he doesn't even understand how a spark plug circuit actually works.  Or like Wayne Travis speaking in some fluid gobbly-gook that makes no sense at all.  The QEG team and Fix the World drag themselves down when they release stuff like this, possibly without even realizing it.  What is abundantly clear is that the "technical team" does not know what it is doing and it just shows how a crash and burn is inevitable.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 31, 2014, 06:02:42 AM
And yes, with very high confidence I can explain the "double peak" waveform from my armchair after twenty minutes of looking and reading and meanwhile James and company can't explain it after months working with the REAL THING on the bench.  And this is not "high level" analysis by any means.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on May 31, 2014, 06:04:06 AM
MH,

The scope shot you provided shows numerous very
sharp impulse spikes riding on the waveforms.

Any thoughts on what those may indicate?

Quote from: FarmHand
Attaining a large amount of oscillating power in a resonant tank is the easy part thousands of people do it every day.

Aye, that is certainly the truth!  The "Tank"
is analogous to the flywheel in mechanical
devices insofar as energy storage is concerned.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 31, 2014, 06:30:59 AM
SeaMonkey:

Thanks for the excellent question.  I saw the spikes of course but wasn't really considering them in my previous postings.  I thought about it for a few minutes.  For starters, the current is not taking those spikes.  It's most likely something disturbing the voltage output from the current probe itself, or the cable is picking up some noise.  It's most likely the latter or it could be a combination of both.  So the next question is what would the source of the noise most likely be?  My bet is on the big DC motor just a few inches away.

Also, it's not a flywheel that models the LC tank circuit, it's a flywheel connected to a torsion spring.  So like the little flywheel and spring that you see in a mechanical watch.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 31, 2014, 06:38:13 AM
What an amazing forum this is!!!!!!!! Thank you all!!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 31, 2014, 06:56:10 AM
Note that their scope has both channels set to AC coupled.

This is probably the most misunderstood and misused feature of oscilloscopes. It is about as unfortunate as Franklin's choice of current direction naming. Had the early scope makers called it "Direct Coupling" and "Capacitor Coupling" instead of DC Coupling and AC coupling, we would be a lot better off.

AC coupling moves the Average value of the waveform down, or up, to the channel's baseline setting. This pretty much destroys most math done on the traces, except for Peak-to-Peak, which obviously doesn't change when you offset a waveform. But it means the positive and negative _peak_ values themselves are most likely wrong. For a pure AC waveform that is actually symmetrical about the zero baseline, there isn't any difference. But as soon as there is any asymmetry, setting the scope to "ac coupled" removes information and gives false math computations.

I'm not saying this is a huge effect in the QEG measurements that would affect conclusions very much, but it does show some questionable scoposcopy and possible oscilloscope abuse on the part of the QEG folks.

That oscilloscope has full-on math capability, by the way. It can compute an instantaneous power curve and even the integral of that curve, live on screen. Why aren't these capabilities being used? I really hate to see an oscilloscope that costs more than my house is worth, being used like a toy etch-a-sketch, useful only for its pretty squiggles and its numbers in boxes.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 31, 2014, 06:57:38 AM
I think the spikes on the current trace are probably just hash from the drive motor.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 31, 2014, 07:10:42 AM
TK:

Quote
That oscilloscope has full-on math capability, by the way. It can compute an instantaneous power curve and even the integral of that curve, live on screen. Why aren't these capabilities being used?

Another great question, and I can only think of the harshest answer: They (James) don't know how to do it.  For every person there is a "competency threshold" for things like this.  I can't go very far with Word or Excel, and I am mad at myself about that sometimes.  I can't "drive" Excel and Word and demonstrate real competency to someone that is proficient, I can only do decent "hunting and pecking" with it, and I often have to plunge into the "help" maze.  There is a chance that that's the case for The QEG world tour with respect to the DSO.

MileHigh

P.S.:  Another clue or inference is that they only reported the cold filament resistance for the light bulb array in their report, essentially useless data.  Why didn't they report the hot filament resistance in their report also, something much more useful?  I know I am being picky, but it suggests a pattern.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on May 31, 2014, 07:11:08 AM
The waveform they are talking about is shown below.
MileHigh

Compare their measured waveform for primary current with my simulated waveform (see http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg402334/#msg402334 ) for primary current and see the similarities (only look at the shape and forget about the axis numbers and their primary voltage and my secondary current, only look at the primary current in both graphs).

Similar "double" peak behavior. And no, you can't tune the double peak away by tuning the resonance. It will remain in place; but you can move it slightly left left and right relatively within the main peak.

@Milehigh, I am curious at what your explanation is for the "double" peak. Should be pretty easy to guess  ;)

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 31, 2014, 07:18:51 AM
PmgR:

Yes indeed, you can see the similarity in your simulation.

I actually don't want to offer up my explanation for the double peak right now.  I honestly think James should explain the double peak, not me.

If someone else explains it, so be it, but I would rather let the "experts" that had an over unity QEG running for 150 hours explain it to us.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 31, 2014, 08:02:15 AM
There are no experts and there is no documentation from James as to the ability to self run other that old videos from witts that are shown over and again. But I will bet that James is aware of the comments of this post and hopefully address them.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 31, 2014, 09:10:24 AM
There are no experts and there is no documentation from James as to the ability to self run other that old videos from witts that are shown over and again. But I will bet that James is aware of the comments of this post and hopefully address them.   
Rereading ScamGirl's blog posting she lists O U and self-looping as milestones.  Despite the terrible 17%  efficiency they calculated, ScamGirl continues to suggest that they achieved O U in Morocco and that self-looping is just around the corner.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Eniac5state on May 31, 2014, 09:21:44 AM
The LC cicuit consists of two main coils and a capacitor bank. The coils are 40 H each and the capacitors together make 125 nF.
That makes a resonance of 50 Hz !!  Of very high voltage also !

And high voltage RF talks to the quantum !  That combined with the mechanical vibration
makes the basis of this invention.

See also:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc&feature=em-uploademail

and the motherload of Free energy :

www.witts.ws/40kw-self-running-generator-qeg-help/   8) 8) 8)

Beware of the shills here like milehigh and farmhand ! Just skip their 'messages' !
They better stay out off my and our way !
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 31, 2014, 09:49:01 AM
HV RF talks to the quantum hey. I must ask then do you consider 50 Hz to be RF ? Cause it isn't.

No one is getting in anyone's way, you do your thing we'll do ours.

I advise you to choose your words carefully else you be considered making threats. But I don't scare easy, I have no reason to.

Not interested in Witts video's, won't even watch them. There is ample evidence that they are crooks. And using the Amish is disgusting - abhorrent.

Let me know where you will be operating in Australia and I may have some hope of getting in your way, otherwise it is impossible for me to do.

Anyway pay no attention to us skeptics just go ahead and show the accumulated energy output continuously, I'll bet my goulies you cannot do it.

..

People have free will and if they want they can take your advice and skip my posts, won't bother me. I encourage people to read your posts to see how silly they read.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 31, 2014, 11:04:24 AM
Honestly,
I wish that Hope Girl had never been allow to become involved in anything to do with the QEG. She has only muddied the waters with her flamboyant publications on which she has no back ground or expertise. The QEG is only a tool that she is using in order to exploit and further her own agenda. If Hope Girl is actually the author and composer of the last youtube post ,she is getting very good at this. But other than a very detailed video by James and his measurement process I see little else of importance and simply discount the rest as Hope Girls attempt to steal the show. I look forward to more detailed videos from James in the future.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on May 31, 2014, 11:17:16 AM
I've not looked in for several days and I feel that I've missed out on the critique of the latest QEG report. It seems pretty much everything worthwhile has already been said.  I too am dumbfounded why Jamie can't see that the I and V wave forms are almost, if not exactly, 90 degrees out of phase with each other (as one would expect to see for an LC circuit). As for the current spikes (noise) I wonder if this is due to the mechanical vibration of the core laminations. As for the double peaks in the primary current waveform, I wonder if this is not due there there being two primary windings.


In the UK reactive power (VAr) is very often referred to as "imaginary" power. As everybody here knows reactive power is important for balancing the grid system for power distribution but it's not possible to do work with it (in the QEG you are simply parsing energy back and forth between the primary core inductance and the capacitor bank). I was not aware that is is possible to convert "imaginary" power into "real" power as Jamie says they are working on. Can someone please enlighten me. Is the "Transverter" a real or mythical device?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 31, 2014, 11:17:58 AM
The LC cicuit consists of two main coils and a capacitor bank. The coils are 40 H each and the capacitors together make 125 nF.
That makes a resonance of 50 Hz !!  Of very high voltage also !
40*125E-9 = 5E-6, 1/(2pi*5E-60.5 = 71.2Hz.
Quote

And high voltage RF talks to the quantum !  That combined with the mechanical vibration
makes the basis of this invention.
Does it?  Then why are FTW's efficiencies so low?  Is the "quantum" stealing energy from their QEG and giving back waste heat?
Quote

See also:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLK1VG8h2Wc&feature=em-uploademail
What in that video do you think is special?
Quote

and the motherload of Free energy :

www.witts.ws/40kw-self-running-generator-qeg-help/   8) 8) 8)
Who has ever received a working free energy machine from WITTS?
Quote

Beware of the shills here like milehigh and farmhand ! Just skip their 'messages' !
They better stay out off my and our way !
And if they do not, then what?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 31, 2014, 11:25:53 AM
The QEG failing to achieve over unity will have little affect on Hope Girl and her followers. As this can simply be attributed to all of the negative energy directed at them by the none believers. If only we had believed and focused all of our energy in a positive way the QEG surely would have achieved over unity. Ha!

James looked very tired in his last video. His hair looked pretty greasy also. Maybe he should take a shower and lay off for a few days,   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 31, 2014, 11:25:58 AM
I've not looked in for several days and feel that I've missed out on the critique of the latest QEG report. It seems pretty much everything worthwhile has already been said.  I too am dumbfounded why Jamie can't see that the I and V wave forms are also if not exactly 90 degrees out of phase (as one would expect to see for an LC circuit). As for the current spikes (noise) I wonder if this is due to the mechanical vibration of the core laminations. As for the double peaks in the primary current waveform, I wonder if this is not due there there being two primary windings.


In the UK reactive power (VAr) is very often referred to as "imaginary" power. As everybody here knows reactive power is important for balancing the grid system for power distribution but it's not possible to do work with it (in the QEG you are simply parsing energy back and forth between the primary core inductance and the capacitor bank). I was not aware that is is possible to convert "imaginary" power into "real" power as Jamie says they are working on. Can someone please enlighten me. Is the "Transverter" a real or mythical device?
Imaginary and real power are distinct.  The energy that goes into a resonant tank can with appropriate circuitry later be delivered into a load.  Quasi resonant and fully resonant power converters exploit that fact.  I don't think that is what JR is talking about. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on May 31, 2014, 11:59:17 AM
Mark,
I thought those converters worked with square waves?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on May 31, 2014, 12:10:15 PM
Resonant rise can be useful, ie. if we have a very low voltage low current low power supply and we want to apply a higher power to a load intermittently, then we might use a resonant tank and apply small power input until the desired voltage or power is achieved then tap the energy in the tank so as to intermittently apply a much higher power to the load than is possible with the low power supply. However the energy in the tank will decrease suddenly and rebuild slowly.

Or when the power namely the voltage portion reaches a suitable level an attached load that requires a certain voltage with little current can be powered continuously while limiting the tanks oscillating energy. Tinsel showed this. Resonance could be useful in energy scavenging.

.




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 31, 2014, 02:53:07 PM
Quote from: Eniac5state on Today at 09:21:44 AM (http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg404591/#msg404591)<blockquote>
Quote
The LC cicuit consists of two main coils and a capacitor bank. The coils are 40 H each and the capacitors together make 125 nF.
That makes a resonance of 50 Hz !!  Of very high voltage also !

And MarkE replied:
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</blockquote>40*125E-9 = 5E-6, 1/(2pi*5E-60.5 = 71.2Hz.

Which curiously is very close to the frequency shown in the scope shot.

However, if one uses "80H" in the calculation instead of 40H ... since there are two coils... one arrives at the resonant frequency of 50 Hz ( 50.329 )  as noted by Eniac. 
Are the coils wired in the tank so that their inductances add, though? This is not clear to me.

http://www.1728.org/resfreq.htm
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 31, 2014, 02:55:51 PM
Eniac5state,

Myself and Farmhand are not shills.  In contrast, HopeGirl is the main shill for the QEG project.  It's a band of merry pranksters on a magic bus.

Turn on, tune in, and drop cash.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 31, 2014, 03:04:02 PM
TK:

The two coils that make up the inductance for the primary tank circuit only work together when the spinning rotor is lined up with the extra inner "posts" that form the core.  That routes the magnetic flux in an additive way.  When the spinning rotor is not lined up with the "posts" the magnetic flux from the two coils will be in self-cancellation.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 31, 2014, 03:18:41 PM
Eniac5state,

Myself and Farmhand are not shills.  In contrast, HopeGirl is the main shill for the QEG project.  It's a band of merry pranksters on a magic bus.

Tune in, turn on, and drop cash.

MileHigh

Right. There's an undertone in the most recent set of money-grubbing lies from HypeGirl, too. The affair is beginning to fall apart; even people who don't understand the electrical engineering issues are beginning to notice that the Emperor's ass is hanging out in the breeze. That is... the early claims of free energy, self-running and all of that were clearly not true and it's also clearly not true that the QEGers have the knowledge that they are trying to sell via the "consulting" bit. Offering for sale something that is not actually possessed is a real crime in many locales.

Hey, James Robitaille! If you ARE reading here, why don't you contact ME. I'm offering my services to you as a consultant, and my fees are only 2/3 of yours. So you can take my advice and re-sell it for a profit! I actually DO have the knowledge and skills and even the materials to provide you with some very important advice.

I can teach you how to use your oscilloscope to obtain accurate and precise readings, and how to use its advanced math capabilities. I can teach you the proper use of the AC-coupling feature of your scope, how it works and why it does what it does, and its effect on computations derived from the trace values.
I can teach you how to display your data effectively.
I can teach you how to set up a spreadsheet for recording and reporting your data... using a text "word doc" for that is just...er.... inefficient (and silly).
I can teach you basic HV bench safety.
I can tell you how to find and use the _correct_ capacitor types for your project. I can even _sell_ you the correct capacitors from my stock. (Strontium titanate doorknobs rated 30 kV each, which can easily be stacked in a series-parallel stack to obtain the correct value with low losses, and immersed in oil for safety and further isolation.)
I can teach you how to make and use an effective spark gap, and how to protect yourself from the UV, X-rays and toxic nitrogen oxides that it will produce.
And more... I can even invoke the name of Nikola Tesla and _properly_ apply some of his principles to your project.

And I can do all of this without needing airfare, hotel accommodations or restaurant meals. I just need some of that nice juicy cash you lot have been raking in with your false claims and incorrectly interpreted data from your unsafe, ineffective, noisy and expensive kludge. Er, sorry, I mean your Tesla QEG Free Energy Generator.

Send me a PM, Jimmy. It's clear that you are in way over your head and you really _REALLY_ need some good advice. You may be able to save some face, if you start your damage control now.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 31, 2014, 03:20:12 PM
Mark,
I thought those converters worked with square waves?
There are basically two classes of switch mode power converters:  Hard switching and soft switching.  Hard switching converters generate trapezoidal current waveforms.  Soft switching converters are resonant or quasi resonant.  They switch at near zero voltage across or near zero current through the switches.  Zero voltage switching is more efficient when using MOSFETs than zero current switching.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 31, 2014, 03:20:33 PM
TK:

The two coils that make up the inductance for the primary tank circuit only work together when the spinning rotor is lined up with the extra inner "posts" that form the core.  That routes the magnetic flux in an additive way.  When the spinning rotor is not lined up with the "posts" the magnetic flux from the two coils will be in self-cancellation.

MileHigh

Giving away a bit much there, aren't you?

 ;)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 31, 2014, 03:26:06 PM
Quote
Little Joe never once gave it away
Everybody had to pay and pay
A hustle here and a hustle there
New York City's the place
Where they said, "Hey, babe,
Take a walk on the wild side."
I said, "Hey, Joe,
Take a walk on the wild side."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 31, 2014, 03:54:36 PM
Hmmmm.... a song about the seedier side of life and another form of deception for money.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 31, 2014, 05:03:35 PM
Hmmmm.... a song about the seedier side of life and another form of deception for money.

It is a shame that "DopeGirl" appears to be representing the seedier side of life by taking money for something that does not work.  (RIP Lou Reed)

Hell, 13% efficiency equals O.U.?  I have many devices here on my bench that beat that by a mile.  I think this makes DopeGirl a Free Energy prostitute.  If not, what else would you call it?  Folks are spending money to get screwed so...

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on May 31, 2014, 05:15:34 PM
It is clear that a physically disk shaped generator can intercept signicant amounts
of static electricity from the environment. Even more if one was to add a long
antenna wire. Once it is intercepted it can be used to enhance the current flow
in the field coils of the generator thorugh the use of capacitors which will have
a direct bearing on the power output by the generator. There is so much
enhancement that it appears it would be difficult to entirely supress this effect
in a normal generator design. This means that various commercial generators will
almost certainly show *some* enhancement of their output level based on the
detailes of opportunistic physical design criteria qmogen operation exist in certain
cases.

It is clear that a horrendous miscount in the number of turns of wire on the coils of
the QEG generator has led to the fact that the labels on the primary and secondary
coils were initially interchanged. The first effect of this is that the #10 gauge wire is not
necessary and that a unitary wire gauge number could be used throuhout the entire
QEG generator to good effect. Next is the probablity that tuning will require both sides
of the QEG to have capacitors and both sides to have dummy load lightbulbs. This means
that power will be extracted from both sides of the QEG. So with  the QEG one abandons
the concept of a stand alone AC generator, but that it is an excellent  *a power source*
powering an HV DC- AC interter to produce output and self-loop energy.

The way to combine both coil sets power into one is to understand the electronic
concept of "center-tap" with a center-tap operation the output voltage will be halved
and the fast HV rectifier bridge will require only two diodes. The lightbulb voltage should
then also be halved. The rectifer bridge and 3000uf capacitors with adaquate working voltage
as measures on the lightbulbs should be asserted so that both the voltage and the current
and DC and have vanishingly small AC ripple. Then the two coil sets DC can be combined
and connected in series and the voltage of both sides summed and the current of both
will be summed.  All of the lightbulbs can then be moved to the net DC circuit. A DC sides
voltmeter and a DC milliamp meter with a 1000:1 current shunt can be used to measure
voltage times current and DC power computed both readings. Note that by measruring
power in DC, all argruments associated with Power Facter, Vars, RMS, voltage vs current
phase, and AC instrument accuracies, and insane agruments about AC waveforms goes
away, eaten by diodes. Current transformers cannot be used with DC, and shut resistance
used instead beacuse current is now DC and won't flow though current transformers.
Once this has occured one can substitue non-inductive power resistors for lightbulbs and
carefully tune the system again but this time maximizing *computed* DC power readings.
When the system is alligned for maximum power output one should expect this to be
OU over input. One should note the total load resistance as this is the resistive *output
impedance* of the QEG power source.

The system will be ready to have power directed through a high voltage DC-AC (solar)
inverter to power the input motor with extra energy left over to be dissipated in resistive
(wind power) dump load resistors or directed out to power the ever-hungry power grid.
At this is the motor driver self  looping effect.

Note that the above has been done without varying the QEG wire turn counts which could
still be done to good effect for output power. But I expect that the QEG will now be well
overunity withgout it.


:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 31, 2014, 05:27:46 PM


But I expect that the QEG will now be well
overunity withgout it.


:S:MarkSCoffman

You can't be serious?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Shanti on May 31, 2014, 06:41:53 PM
Quote
You can't be serious?

I wanna have the same drink, as he got... ;D

But seriously mscoffman:

Did you ever test out anything of what you're theorizing?
It seems to me your mind has wandered far off the experimental evidence... ;D
(the mind often likes to do that... ;D )

Actually, it is quite easy, at least to make a basic QEG setup.
And quite some experimenters already did. But all had to conclude: No OU.
But I encourage you, to replicate it yourself and show us all  that your theory is valid.

Maybe it is...
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on May 31, 2014, 06:47:48 PM
Good morning !!


As suggested, I made a test in my QEG device, adding a mechanic commutator in series with the load.
As TinselKoala said, this was funny to see....a lot of sparks...


Enjoy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2V5n_zZYnI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2V5n_zZYnI)


No values for now. This was just to see the effects.


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rigel4 on May 31, 2014, 09:07:02 PM
That's a nice rig, good work. I hope you are doing this for fun and to learn, not for OU. Since Hope is now claiming 33x, it will be nice for a control like yours.
Thanks
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 31, 2014, 11:32:09 PM
Yes... you are now seeing what power arcs can do as opposed to mere sparks.

You can see in the video how the commutator segments are dragging power arcs from the brushes, across several segments. This of course means that the commutator isn't interrupting properly nor addressing the coils in the proper manner or timing. It also means that material of the commutator is burning, and you will have pitting, metal erosion and deposition, and the rough surface thus presented to the brushes themselves will ruin them.

These power arcs are formed by the heavy inductances trying to remain connected as you try to disconnect them. You could try a powerful blast of compressed air onto the commutator with the hope of blowing out the arcs, but with as much inductance as you are switching even this will probably fail.

But I do like your multi-element primary spark gap. This will work much better than the QEG team's silly automotive spark plugs, even if they are platinum. Add elements for even more effectiveness. One of the very best performing stationary spark gaps I have used is an original Tesla design: it's made of six heavy and thick nickel washer-like cylinders, stacked on an insulated shaft, with a small gap between each flat cylinder face. Again, blowing with compressed air can help the effectiveness of even this gap by blowing out the spark to produce rapid fall times in the current through the inductors.

 8)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on May 31, 2014, 11:52:35 PM
In a way you are correct.  The measurements appear valid.  To date, I have yet to read anyone question the measurements.  You see, the error is in the interpretation.  The calculations is what is being questioned.  Earlier peak to peaks were announced as the output power.  Should have not be calculated that way.  Or should have used peak to peak for the input.  Now reactive power is being used.  Either method is good for keeping the ball rolling.  The donations soar after the word is out using incorrect interpretations of power.  When you dabble with reactive power you better make it very clear on your calculations and show every phase angle power factor product each step of the way, which by the way no such effort in the report shown.  And as seen on the report and video, the phase angle is very high resulting in much lower true power.
Maybe, but still they could be genuine.

The question is: can we convert reactive power in real power? Or can they?!

Looks it is what Jim Murray looks having succeeded to do. I don't understand how he has but him and Eric Dollard or Bob BABCOK, look to be guys who knows and understand what they do.

For the Morocco QEG, if they know how to do, thinking back to it, it looks to me illogical that the many engineers in Asia would have not be able to provide the means, but who knows!

Cheers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 12:13:16 AM
2,000/600= 3.333, not 30. "COPs are one of my specialities in energetic engineering" maybe not.
I did NOT see rms values, but should have.
The VARs are immaterial; the only real power is < 300W.
Indeed the real power is not much on the bulbs. And nice you note my error of deep night mind calculations. Still the ratio is overunity, but yes, as I have insist myself before you, in it not real power under real power.

For the rms values, I told you they in the report.

For you saying "VARs" are immaterial, so how they can be readed?

They are only VARs because of phase shift between current and voltage. If one can succeed to change the phase of one the these two or both, one may be able the synchronise then and convert themm in real power. This may be probably acheived by instent stockage and instant feeding back, I conjecture from Paul Babcok work.

But saying it can't be done just because it doesn't fit with our present personal concepts, is a big jock at the front of History while any true basic breakthrough have been done, from Faraday to Teslat, including Maxwell,  against the concepts of the "so called well educated contempories". You are free to argue against but you will never know what you indeed don't know.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 01, 2014, 12:15:55 AM
The QEG failing to achieve over unity will have little affect on Hope Girl and her followers. As this can simply be attributed to all of the negative energy directed at them by the none believers. If only we had believed and focused all of our energy in a positive way the QEG surely would have achieved over unity. Ha!

James looked very tired in his last video. His hair looked pretty greasy also. Maybe he should take a shower and lay off for a few days,

That brings to mind a good question.  The report version 2 appeared to have taken roughly 20 minutes to film and measure.  Lets say it took 1 hour.  This report is one of the most detailed information we have gotten.  If so much can come from 1 hour of work, what is it they did for 30 days or however long they were on vacation?  Report version 1 I can imagine took 1 to 2 days because the capacitor to the primary tank was varied to track output.  I'd give them a generous 3 days to do that included the 1 for report version 2.

I'd still like to know where these 30 engineers are and why they have not said one peep.  Same for the 5,000.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 12:28:22 AM
Obviously some people just don't get it.

All the activity (oscillating power) in the Tank is input from the power supply. Fact or fiction ?

If not where does it come from ? I'm certain that the energy in the tank can be demonstrated to be "from the supply", by careful measurement.

Attaining a large amount of oscillating power in a resonant tank is the easy part thousands of people do it every day. Seeing the "QEG" showing a larger oscillating power than the input power is not even interesting or out of the ordinary.

Many have claimed that the greater oscillating power than input power is OU but none have shown any evidence or argument that is sensible.

Any half descent resonant tank can show a great amount of oscillating power. That is not output. Before energy can go out, it must go in as we cannot make energy.

There is no mechanism I can see for any external energy to enter the device, then be output to an intended load.

I myself have achieved hundreds of watts activity with under 10 watts input. This is nothing more than accumulated energy from the supply.

...
Very thanks for specifying your viewpoint, I think I see now where you wanted to go.

Indeed, we can store a huge amount of resonant activity by means of a very little input and I am fully agree with you it would be not "creation of energy".

Nevertheless, if it was the case we would have a countinous rise that we have not; right?

Then, it is not because you don't see an extra input it doesn't exists; still agree?

This extra input may comes of a, as I call it "electromagnetic venturi like effet": high very sharp or short pics of voltage may impide a capture in the possible "zero point energy", or "Dirac's plenum".

But still the problem is the conversion: to "re-phase" for output, imo.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 12:48:28 AM
This report is good in the sense that it explains what the setup is exactly and what has been measured and how.

I have read the report in detail and based on the reported measurements (not the reported interpretations), there is no overunity. The analytical analysis of the test results is lacking.

Here is my feedback on the various new experiments they did:

Experiment 2
6x100W bulb load is in the secondary circuit in series with the coil. Resistance of a single bulb is 576ohms (100W at 240V). Or total load is 6x 576 = 3456 ohms (when hot). Their resistance number of 251.5 ohms appears to be the measured cold resistance of one bulb (or 6 bulbs in series; this is not clearly stated).

No efficiency is mentioned for the secondary circuit but it is clearly under unity based on the traces (around 30% max).

Then the power is analyzed in the primary circuit. In this case there is no load in the primary circuit, so of course what is measured is not real power. What seems not to be understood by them is that measuring reactive power in the primary can not be simply assumed as transferable into real power or into extractable power. In fact the energy oscillating in the primary circuit is energy stored in the coils and capacitor; the energy is transferred from the coils to the capacitor, then back from the capacitor to the coils, etc. Some energy is dissipated in the coil's resistance. What is actually measured is the rate (power = energy / second) of energy transfer between the coil and capacitor. They mention a number of 22,800 VAR, or 22,800 Joules going back and forth every second between coil and capacitor. This is certainly possible, but should not be used to claim overunity. With a 100% efficient motor drawing 607W, it would only take 37.5 seconds for the motor to build up this energy into the primary circuit. The question remains, how much real power can one draw from the primary without destroying the resonance and whether this number is more or less than the 607W that the motor puts in. From all experiments done to date, this number has always been less than what the motor consumes.

Experiment 3
This experiment is similar to Experiment 2 except that the load appears in the primary coils.
For the secondary coils, the same logic applies as what is explained above for the primary coils. What is measured is an energy transfer rate between coil and capacitor, not extractable power. In order to determine extractable power, a load has to be placed into the secondary circuit.
For the primary coils, it appears the voltage is measured over the load and capacitor together (or over the coil), so the current shape is very non-sinusoidal and there is no point discussing RMS power in this case. The voltage should instead have been measured over the bulbs to get an estimate of what the real efficiency might have been in this configuration. Here again no over unity is shown. Just some numbers that show the energy transfer rate of energy accumulated in the circuit between coil and capacitor.

Despite the fact that no overunity was shown, I think it is good though for everyone to see the full measurement report and raw data (despite the fact that some of the conclusions drawn in the report are incorrect). People should be able to draw their own conclusions based on the raw data.

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Hi! I like your detailed analysis and I am agree with all your arguments in physics, including there is not "true" or "REAL" overnity, except when you looks to say that the oscillating energy exchanged in the tank couldn't be used.

I assume you say that while using the ordinary concepts in EM. But don't you remember that the "classic contemporary teaching" in electricity, forget the greatest part of the founders of the domain used? What about Faraday saying that the electrical energy is not located in the conductor but around it? Why Maxwell with his quaternions and "the potential vector" broadly ignored? Why Tesla has followed this guys in their concepts and went even further with his longitudinal waves (if I remember well)?

Anyway, as I said in my previous post: you never (or rarely) know what you don't know.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 01:01:54 AM
.../...

With respect to the reactive power, the famous "VARs," they are stating that the goal is to turn the reactive power into real power. The argument is that there is more reactive power than power input, and all that they have to do is convert the mysterious reactive power into real power.  Now that might sound plausible to a lay person, (and they may donate) but it's not true.

One more time, this is a nonsensical proposition.  It's something that can't be done, and they are trying to suggest that it can be done.

MileHigh
So, what have succeed to do guys like Paul Babcok, Jim Murray and Eric Dollard, in your opinion? Aren't they succeed to convert VARs in real power?

I am not sure of the skills of this team, even if they LOOK genuine to me, but saying it is not possible because the concepts you have learnt and praticed until now say "it is not possible", is a big epistemologic jock at front at the history of Sciences, as I stated before. And if you can't agree with that, you know nothing of your domain cause you don't really know it's past.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 01, 2014, 01:13:31 AM
Khwartz:

Quote
If one can succeed to change the phase of one the these two or both, one may be able the synchronise then and convert themm in real power.

Nope, because "reactive power" is a very poor choice of words that people are using for describing what's going on.  People hear the word "power" and they think of a continuous stream of power.  That leads them to thinking of converting from a continuous stream of "reactive power" into a continuous stream of real power.

The problem is there is no continuous stream of "reactive power."  It's just a one-shot corresponding to the fixed amount of energy circulating back and forth in the LC tank.  You use it and it's gone.  You have to draw more power from the input to fill up the LC tank circuit with "reactive power" before you can supply more power to the output.

It's like this:  The "reactive power" is just a middle-man, it takes input power and either stores it or passes it onto the output.  The middle-man storage capacity is fixed to a certain maximum.

It's like three five-year-olds in a line.  The first kid has pennies and he passes some pennies to the middle kid.  The middle kid might keep five pennies and say stop, or he may pass the pennies to the third kid in the line.

Do you think the kid in the middle has a magic infinite source of pennies?   If you still believe in "reactive power" like you originally stated then you believe that the middle kid has a magic infinite source of pennies.

Forget about playing the "exotic energy" card also, this is all basic electronics and nothing more than that.

James should also realize that the primary tank circuit in the QEG does not hold a magic infinite source of pennies.

It really is as simple as kids passing pennies.  It's doom and gloom for the whole project - the stress and pressure of failure to deliver is going to build up.  They are pros and lied from the very beginning.  If they have bruised egos from the "negative energy from bad people" then they should just tell the real truth and get it over with.  If some of the people that gave them money are mad, and they have a real desire and the resources to go after them, then they may face legal action.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 01, 2014, 01:19:03 AM
Khwartz:

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I am not sure of the skills of this team, even if they LOOK genuine to me, but saying it is not possible because the concepts you have learnt and praticed until now say "it is not possible", is a big epistemologic jock at front at the history of Sciences, as I stated before. And if you can't agree with that, you know nothing of your domain cause you don't really know it's past.

As you can see I answered in my previous post.  It has nothing at all to do with "concepts I have learnt."  It's just basic nuts and bolts that a good kid in Grade 8 physics class could easily understand.  It literally is as trivial as kids passing pennies to each other.

I know my domain reasonably well and I am 100% certain of what I am stating.  Just search on "LC resonator" or "LC tank circuit" if you want to get some more information.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 01:29:07 AM
I've not looked in for several days and I feel that I've missed out on the critique of the latest QEG report. It seems pretty much everything worthwhile has already been said.  I too am dumbfounded why Jamie can't see that the I and V wave forms are almost, if not exactly, 90 degrees out of phase with each other (as one would expect to see for an LC circuit). As for the current spikes (noise) I wonder if this is due to the mechanical vibration of the core laminations. As for the double peaks in the primary current waveform, I wonder if this is not due there there being two primary windings.


In the UK reactive power (VAr) is very often referred to as "imaginary" power. As everybody here knows reactive power is important for balancing the grid system for power distribution but it's not possible to do work with it (in the QEG you are simply parsing energy back and forth between the primary core inductance and the capacitor bank). I was not aware that is is possible to convert "imaginary" power into "real" power as Jamie says they are working on. Can someone please enlighten me. Is the "Transverter" a real or mythical device?
The specialist of Transvertor was te YouTuber Selfonlypath, based on the work of Hector Perrez. Doug Dozen knows much about too, and it is indeed to store the energy at very specific times and to free it at others.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 01:33:43 AM
Imaginary and real power are distinct.  The energy that goes into a resonant tank can with appropriate circuitry later be delivered into a load.  Quasi resonant and fully resonant power converters exploit that fact.  I don't think that is what JR is talking about.
Could you please link me to this technique of convertion of accumulated resonant power in real power?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 01:44:43 AM
Resonant rise can be useful, ie. if we have a very low voltage low current low power supply and we want to apply a higher power to a load intermittently, then we might use a resonant tank and apply small power input until the desired voltage or power is achieved then tap the energy in the tank so as to intermittently apply a much higher power to the load than is possible with the low power supply. However the energy in the tank will decrease suddenly and rebuild slowly.

Or when the power namely the voltage portion reaches a suitable level an attached load that requires a certain voltage with little current can be powered continuously while limiting the tanks oscillating energy. Tinsel showed this. Resonance could be useful in energy scavenging.

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So you've said that it is possible to convert imaginary, reactive power, pure resonant, or oscillating power in real one by standard means and classic physics; very thanks for having specified.

If I have well read and care of your technical objections on the demo and report, but looked to me many here were saying the convertion was not possible.

Nevertheless, still need to show that the tank can be feeded back as fast as we need, than we take from it, and this, in a greater amount than the mechanical input of the motor; that I conjecture it could be possible by a ventury like effect.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 01, 2014, 01:51:32 AM
No need for a link.

For starters, to be specific and to not induce any misunderstandings, it's accumulated resonant energy, not accumulated resonant power.

1.  Connect a resistor across the terminals of the capacitor.
2.  Put a coil next to the tank coil and magnetically couple the two coils together.  Put a resistor across the new coil.

You can think of the resistor in either case being like applying the brakes on a moving car to slow it down.  To be more specific, it would be like a "damper."  A damper resists with more power the faster you are moving, and likewise resists with less power the slower that you are moving.  Like how a car shock absorber works.  The net result in an ideal case is that the damper can never actually make the car stop moving.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 01, 2014, 01:52:09 AM
Mile High is exactly correct. The analogy that I used before, of the little girl on a swing, should be recalled and considered. You give the little girl a slight push each cycle in time with her swinging and the amplitude of the swing increases to scary heights.  Measure the maximum heights of the swing: this is your Peak-to-Peak reactive power. Do you want to extract it? Go stand in front of the swing; when it hits you, you will get all that stored energy dumped into you as real power. Do you want to use the power at a reasonable rate? Fine, you can extract it no faster than it is being resupplied by the per-cycle little pushes.


Bottom line: utilizing reactive power is no big deal. Utilizing it at a faster rate than it is being replaced by the input... and your resonant system will collapse.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 01:53:13 AM
There are basically two classes of switch mode power converters:  Hard switching and soft switching.  Hard switching converters generate trapezoidal current waveforms.  Soft switching converters are resonant or quasi resonant.  They switch at near zero voltage across or near zero current through the switches.  Zero voltage switching is more efficient when using MOSFETs than zero current switching.
Thanks for these specifications.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 01, 2014, 01:57:23 AM
Just one little example of releasing reactive power (stored resonant energy) as real power:


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 01, 2014, 01:58:29 AM
Yes... you are now seeing what power arcs can do as opposed to mere sparks.

You can see in the video how the commutator segments are dragging power arcs from the brushes, across several segments. This of course means that the commutator isn't interrupting properly nor addressing the coils in the proper manner or timing. It also means that material of the commutator is burning, and you will have pitting, metal erosion and deposition, and the rough surface thus presented to the brushes themselves will ruin them.

These power arcs are formed by the heavy inductances trying to remain connected as you try to disconnect them. You could try a powerful blast of compressed air onto the commutator with the hope of blowing out the arcs, but with as much inductance as you are switching even this will probably fail.

But I do like your multi-element primary spark gap. This will work much better than the QEG team's silly automotive spark plugs, even if they are platinum. Add elements for even more effectiveness. One of the very best performing stationary spark gaps I have used is an original Tesla design: it's made of six heavy and thick nickel washer-like cylinders, stacked on an insulated shaft, with a small gap between each flat cylinder face. Again, blowing with compressed air can help the effectiveness of even this gap by blowing out the spark to produce rapid fall times in the current through the inductors.

 8)


Commutator and high voltage doesn't work good. It looks like a 400 HP dc motor out of position ( Point of commutation), Probably if I change the secondary, 30 turns of ticker wire, (1/0) for example, it will work better. After that, just a step up transformer.....I don't know...just wondering....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wayne49s on June 01, 2014, 01:59:52 AM
There are various circuits out there that are suppose to convert the reactive power to real power from the rotoverter device information (you can do a search on this).  The principle is one based on extracting through voltage (capacitor charging) and drawing power from them. Note that voltage is a maximum when current is at a minimum (charging interval near voltage maximum), so BEMF is minimized in terms of impact back to the source, i.e. the motor turning the generator.  Also, it is desirable to extract the power from the capacitor when it is not being charged, so this is another way not to impact the source current draw.


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In any case, I believe the QED may yet show OU.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 01, 2014, 02:01:16 AM
Just one little example of releasing reactive power (stored resonant energy) as real power:


I had a lot of that....hard way to learn, but at least I learned a lot of: " don't do that"   :-[
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 01, 2014, 02:02:12 AM
ACG,
I hope that you understand that my post that you referenced was directed toward Hope and the spiritual spin that she is using to further her agenda. She may be the acting editor/producer of everything that is released concerning the QEG. I am no fan of hers..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 01, 2014, 02:10:49 AM

Commutator and high voltage doesn't work good. It looks like a 400 HP dc motor out of position ( Point of commutation), Probably if I change the secondary, 30 turns of ticker wire, (1/0) for example, it will work better. After that, just a step up transformer.....I don't know...just wondering....
It's not the voltage that kills you... it's the current. Same goes for the commutator. After all... the power arc is essentially a low-resistance short circuit, there will be only a small voltage drop across it.

 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 02:22:57 AM
Khwartz:

As you can see I answered in my previous post.  It has nothing at all to do with "concepts I have learnt."  It's just basic nuts and bolts that a good kid in Grade 8 physics class could easily understand.  It literally is as trivial as kids passing pennies to each other.

I know my domain reasonably well and I am 100% certain of what I am stating.  Just search on "LC resonator" or "LC tank circuit" if you want to get some more information.

MileHigh
MileHigh, undestand me BETTER: I am not saying that indeed in the case of these experiments it does occure and there is an infinite "source of pennis", to take your words.

I know about tank energy and resonance, you teach me nothing new about that, expect if specifications for electronic or electromechanical way to extract the energy stored in the tank.

But I confirm you are obviously stuck in your own learnt concepts when you can accept nor apparently imagine that an infinite source of energy could feed an energy tank. This is precisely what is going on in an heat pump but it needs to know in with boundaries we place. I will not essay again on this subject, just read please my post on COPs for more details.

As for Farafay, Maxwell, Dirac or Tesla, the said "vacuum" is not empty but full of energy and I see no evidence it would not be possible to harvest it.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 01, 2014, 02:37:47 AM
Khwartz:

I suppose you could say it boils down to the issue of the physical QEG itself.  Is it just a normal circuit or is there an infinite source of energy feeding the QEG's LC tank?

The answer is that it is a normal circuit and the concept of an infinite source of energy feeding any circuit is just a hypothetical.  There is no reason to link this hypothetical with the QEG.  If someone wants to research this hypothetical concept then fine, but not with a QEG.

To pitch to the world that you have a free energy machine like the QEG is wrong and the test results from the QEG team so far clearly show there is no over unity.  They don't want to state this fact directly and instead play a game of smoke and mirrors with the results and the promises.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 02:41:04 AM
No need for a link.

For starters, to be specific and to not induce any misunderstandings, it's accumulated resonant energy, not accumulated resonant power.

1.  Connect a resistor across the terminals of the capacitor.
2.  Put a coil next to the tank coil and magnetically couple the two coils together.  Put a resistor across the new coil.

You can think of the resistor in either case being like applying the brakes on a moving car to slow it down.  To be more specific, it would be like a "damper."  A damper resists with more power the faster you are moving, and likewise resists with less power the slower that you are moving.  Like how a car shock absorber works.  The net result in an ideal case is that the damper can never actually make the car stop moving.

MileHigh
Very thanks for these new specifications.

Understand when you say the exchange between the two opposite parts of the tank is not power in the sense it couldn't be used and sustained simultaneously, but still as a flow in can be calculated in terms of energy by unit of time, not consumed, we agree, but indeed exchanged.

Isn't your analogy of the damper like what I said about to realign the phases between current and voltage by shifting one or both? But would be odd to me cause a resistor is not supposed to shift any phase? So, would the resistor would be more like a barrage on a river not letting floods occuring but delivering only the flow we need?

Could you upload a schematic, even handwritten, of example of transformer circuit?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 02:53:38 AM
Mile High is exactly correct. The analogy that I used before, of the little girl on a swing, should be recalled and considered. You give the little girl a slight push each cycle in time with her swinging and the amplitude of the swing increases to scary heights.  Measure the maximum heights of the swing: this is your Peak-to-Peak reactive power. Do you want to extract it? Go stand in front of the swing; when it hits you, you will get all that stored energy dumped into you as real power. Do you want to use the power at a reasonable rate? Fine, you can extract it no faster than it is being resupplied by the per-cycle little pushes.


Bottom line: utilizing reactive power is no big deal. Utilizing it at a faster rate than it is being replaced by the input... and your resonant system will collapse.
TinselKoala, I do agree with you both on that point and never said the contrary. I was just going further than this and in this case all is about the possible connection to an infinite reservoir (NOT necessary in this experiment).

To try to use your analogy, it would be like if when the swin reaches a certain height the girl would have time to take big fruits on the tree and gives it to someone at the lowest height. If done continously,  the swin could go on indefinitely while an flow of particles, here the fruits, occurs.

Of course here the tree wouldn't be "an infinite reservoir", but the Ditac's plemun looks to be...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 03:04:14 AM
There are various circuits out there that are suppose to convert the reactive power to real power from the rotoverter device information (you can do a search on this).  The principle is one based on extracting through voltage (capacitor charging) and drawing power from them. Note that voltage is a maximum when current is at a minimum (charging interval near voltage maximum), so BEMF is minimized in terms of impact back to the source, i.e. the motor turning the generator.  Also, it is desirable to extract the power from the capacitor when it is not being charged, so this is another way not to impact the source current draw.


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In any case, I believe the QED may yet show OU.
I am agree with Farhand and MileHigh that theoretically, logically,  it needs a connection to an infinite reservoir to add exceeding energy in the system to be able to haverst it in a second time.

But yes, the transvertor system is as you say: capacitors are connected at specific times to be exposed to the reactive voltage.

An essential part is the "diod plug", the switching system which will one time exposes the capacitors to the reative voltage and when disconnected, feeds the load with these same capacitors.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 03:25:14 AM
Khwartz:

I suppose you could say it boils down to the issue of the physical QEG itself.  Is it just a normal circuit or is there an infinite source of energy feeding the QEG's LC tank?

The answer is that it is a normal circuit and the concept of an infinite source of energy feeding any circuit is just a hypothetical.  There is no reason to link this hypothetical with the QEG. 
Speak for you! If there WOULD be any true overunity, my conjecture is that it WOULD be because of a connection to an inifinite reservoir, by generation of high votage pics.

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If someone wants to research this hypothetical concept then fine, but not with a QEG.
Why?! Who are you to give orders like that?! Are you kidding?

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To pitch to the world that you
Why you say "you"? "I' do not have any (true) overunity device! And not claiming to have any!

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have a free energy machine like the QEG is wrong and the test results from the QEG team so far clearly show there is no over unity.  They don't want to state this fact directly and instead play a game of smoke and mirrors with the results and the promises.

MileHigh
Well, if you don't take time read my bad English, just skip my comments please, cause right at the beginning I have well state the values of the report don't give a true overunity COP but VARs under Real.

The question was: can we transform the reactive "power" (way to say), in active, real power? The answer looks to be "yes".

Then, can it sustain itself while we would pump this energy from the tank;  the answer is: no, IF any connection to an infinite reservoir is not made, while this connection could be made through high voltage pics; BUT NOT SAYING THAT OCCURS IN THESE EXPERIMENT.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 01, 2014, 03:29:14 AM
TinselKoala, I do agree with you both on that point and never said the contrary. I was just going further than this and in this case all is about the possible connection to an infinite reservoir (NOT necessary in this experiment).

To try to use your analogy, it would be like if when the swin reaches a certain height the girl would have time to take big fruits on the tree and gives it to someone at the lowest height. If done continously,  the swin could go on indefinitely while an flow of particles, here the fruits, occurs.

Of course here the tree wouldn't be "an infinite reservoir", but the Ditac's plemun looks to be...

Yes, I get that and I agree. Dirac's plenum, I think you mean.

But answer me this: IF such a connection could be made, in whatever manner, like using a resonant system somehow ... could a competent engineer with a 10,000 dollar oscilloscope detect the presence of the excess energy fruits in the system, over and above what conventional physics and known sources are providing?

For example, since the behavior of the QEG is fairly accurately modeled by standard circuit theory, and the measurements indicate nothing unusual happening in terms of efficiency, can we conclude that there is no connection to the Fruit Plenum?

Or would the device only be, say, 20 percent efficient without the extra fruit, and the Banana Connection boosts it to 30 percent.... so all we have to do is grab more fruit?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 01, 2014, 03:36:01 AM
The main objection to the QEG saga isn't that someone wants to research something ridiculous, it is the fraudulent marketing and the outright lies and other misrepresentations made by HypeGirl and whoever else on their "team" emits information. If they had presented it as a research project, speculating about outcomes and asking for donations based on that... well, OK maybe. But that isn't what they did: they proclaimed they had a fully working design and a tested functional prototype, even stating the specific figure of 150 hours running. Everybody "assumed" that meant 150 hours running _itself_ and lighting up the usual loads. But now... some of us realize that wasn't true at all. Yet they drummed up a lot of interest and a huge amount of money. Enough money to fund me and my lab fully for the next five years, and that was just for starters. And that is what is so objectionable about their process. They are selling something they do not have and do not know how to make, while making false claims about its performance. Whether what they claim is impossible or not (it is) is really beside the point, from a mail fraud standpoint. After all, gold exists and can be mined. So will you buy some of these shares in my gold mine? If the shares aren't real or the mine isn't real or I don't have authority to sell them, you are being defrauded, even though gold itself might actually exist somewhere.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 03:47:52 AM
Yes, I get that and I agree. Dirac's plenum, I think you mean.

But answer me this: IF such a connection could be made, in whatever manner, like using a resonant system somehow ... could a competent engineer with a 10,000 dollar oscilloscope detect the presence of the excess energy fruits in the system, over and above what conventional physics and known sources are providing?

For example, since the behavior of the QEG is fairly accurately modeled by standard circuit theory, and the measurements indicate nothing unusual happening in terms of efficiency, can we conclude that there is no connection to the Fruit Plenum?

Or would the device only be, say, 20 percent efficient without the extra fruit, and the Banana Connection boosts it to 30 percent.... so all we have to do is grab more fruit?
Lol, well, as I told you, I don't know for this experiment/QEG.

My idea (not for this specific device), is that we may construct high sharp pics voltage by resonnance with little input, and by saturating certain levels of energy previously totally balanced in the plenum, we could possibly harvest a part of this energy; still like in the venturi effect where particles (molecules) of an outside aera are pumped by the primary flow, the outside/secondary flow adding to the first.

I recognise it is mainly an intuition but it is based of several years of studying what looked worked to produce possible free energy in EM/EM configuration. You are of course completely free to not follow this line but I won't accept an opposition to this possibility if not with good arguments and an enough open mind, not able to accept new concepts.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 03:56:42 AM
The main objection to the QEG saga isn't that someone wants to research something ridiculous, it is the fraudulent marketing and the outright lies and other misrepresentations made by HypeGirl and whoever else on their "team" emits information. If they had presented it as a research project, speculating about outcomes and asking for donations based on that... well, OK maybe. But that isn't what they did: they proclaimed they had a fully working design and a tested functional prototype, even stating the specific figure of 150 hours running. Everybody "assumed" that meant 150 hours running _itself_ and lighting up the usual loads. But now... some of us realize that wasn't true at all. Yet they drummed up a lot of interest and a huge amount of money. Enough money to fund me and my lab fully for the next five years, and that was just for starters. And that is what is so objectionable about their process. They are selling something they do not have and do not know how to make, while making false claims about its performance. Whether what they claim is impossible or not (it is) is really beside the point, from a mail fraud standpoint. After all, gold exists and can be mined. So will you buy some of these shares in my gold mine? If the shares aren't real or the mine isn't real or I don't have authority to sell them, you are being defrauded, even though gold itself might actually exist somewhere.
TinselKoala, I think I get your point.

True I was maily about the "technical" or "epistemological" aspects of the question.

Regarding fraud and selling what they don't have,  I may agree with you.

The fact is I came obviously late on this QEG and didn't see indeed any shift in the claims as I was basing near all on the last vid and report.

Thanks for your time and insistence on that specific ethical aspect.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 01, 2014, 04:23:44 AM
No worries, mate. The Revolution-Green site has some pretty good information about QEG and the early days:
http://revolution-green.com/

Meanwhile, fwiw, here's the operator's manual for the TDS3000 series scopes, including the TDS3054. I was hoping it had an actual image of the Probe Setup menu but it doesn't go quite that deep. This is where the probe type (current or voltage) is set and its attenuation value. They could have set Voltage x1000 and Current x10 here, and the onscreen display labels and values would then be correct. It does also show how to set the math trace to multiply the V and I traces, and it shows how to set up the Measurements to display RMS values for any trace.  In other words, the manual for the scope Robitaille is using clearly explains how to use its basic and advanced features, and this manual is available for free on the internet.

Every engineer knows the meaning of the initials "RTFM". Don't they?

http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse466/07wi/labs/l2/Oscope/TDS3000Manual.pdf
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 01, 2014, 06:04:43 AM
Khwartz:

Nope, because "reactive power" is a very poor choice of words that people are using for describing what's going on.  People hear the word "power" and they think of a continuous stream of power.  That leads them to thinking of converting from a continuous stream of "reactive power" into a continuous stream of real power.

The problem is there is no continuous stream of "reactive power."  It's just a one-shot corresponding to the fixed amount of energy circulating back and forth in the LC tank.  You use it and it's gone.  You have to draw more power from the input to fill up the LC tank circuit with "reactive power" before you can supply more power to the output.

It's like this:  The "reactive power" is just a middle-man, it takes input power and either stores it or passes it onto the output.  The middle-man storage capacity is fixed to a certain maximum.

MileHigh

MileHigh, I personally make a definite distinction between "reactive power" in the grid sense (returning unused power) and oscillating power in a tank. Maybe they are the same electrically. But to me they are different situations.

Here's a couple of scope shots I just captured. I have a 1 Ohm CSR in series and a 1 kOhm resistive load across the capacitor, the probe grounds are together on the transformer side of the CSR the blue trace has the probe across the 1 Ohm and the yellow trace has the probe across the 1 K and capacitor the blue channel is inverted on the scope menu. Purple is the math trace Ch A x Ch B.

To me it appears that there is more power shown below the line than above it. But I'm guessing it is instrument calibration and such things.

The 1k resistor is a metal film type and the 1 Ohm is a carbon type I think.

Not easy to get right on 90 degrees with my silly FG.




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Eniac5state on June 01, 2014, 09:11:09 AM
 The schematic is somewhat confusing so i have redrawn it here.

 
 >>>Beware of the shills here ! They are flooding these forums with crap and can be recognized
with many hundreds or thousands of deflecting and denying posts !! <<<
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 01, 2014, 09:51:55 AM
Khwartz:

The damper keeps the two components that produce the power in phase.  You can just Google a transformer circuit.

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my conjecture is that it WOULD be because of a connection to an inifinite reservoir, by generation of high votage pics.

You talk about the "infinite reservoir tapped into by high voltage."  Why high voltage?  Why not medium voltage?  Why not high-voltage, high-slew-rate?  Why not voltage that changes exponentially?  Why not high AC voltage that has an exponential decay envelope?  Do you see the point?  Is there any evidence that high voltage taps into an unknown source of power?  Not that I am aware of.  The argument that goes "anything is possible" is a hollow argument because then literally anything is possible.  Why should free energy enter at high voltage?  Why not have energy disappearing into the reservoir at high voltage?  If a circuit is speculated to be over unity, then just as easily you can look at the last 10 circuits played with around here  (like the Akula stuff) and speculate that they are actually under unity.  Energy "disappears" when you run them.  Why not?

Please don't confuse or reinterpret making a statement with issuing orders or being argumentative about the use of a pronoun.  Or if I talk about the QEG and you respond discussing a point about one of your own statements.  That's called "constructing a straw man argument."

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The question was: can we transform the reactive "power" (way to say), in active, real power? The answer looks to be "yes".

Not in the context of what we mean when we say "reactive power" for the QEG.

The _real_ meaning of reactive power is determined by the AC impedance of the load in the context of an AC power source flowing into some kind of load.  Power flows from the AC source, through the wires, and then into the load where it gets converted into something else.   Power has to flow to be power.  If it all flows in one direction (source to load) then it's all real power.  If the power is bidirectional where power flows from a power station into an electric motor, and then half a cycle later power flows from the motor to the power station then you have a reactive power situation.  The power that the motor sends to the power station did not come from the motor itself, it's just the power station's originally supplied power being kicked back by the motor.  I am repeating myself here to make the point as clear as possible for the general readers.

The forums have adopted the term "reactive power" for the energy circulating back and forth in a tank circuit.  That is not power that is flowing.  Rather, it is a static storage of energy in two reactive components.  They are not the same thing at all.

The reason the power companies don't like reactive loads is they draw extra current and that heats all of the distribution transformers up needlessly.  Extra power is lost in the transformers and the wires for nothing.  It also makes the load on the generators in the generating station irregular, and they don't want that.  You don't want energy from reactive loads circulating all over the electrical grid, it's simply not good.  I am not an expert on this stuff (power distribution and how they balance the grid), so these points are just about the general principles at play.

Even in the case of AC power distribution, the reactive power circulating in the power lines is NOT "extra power that you can convert into real power and get over unity."  The reactive power comes from the real power that was supplied by the generating station one-half cycle before in the sine wave.  It's nothing more than the power the generating station output being thrown right back at the generating station.  Reactive power is just temporally borrowed real power that came from the AC power source.  Likewise the "reactive power" in the QEG primary tank is just stored energy that came from the external power source.

In other words, there is no "new power" that can come from reactive power associated with AC mains power distribution, or from the "reactive power" circulating in the primary LC tank circuit in the QEG.

I am writing this all out in detail so the lurkers from the Be-Do forum and all of the QEG replication groups and the QEG team itself can absorb and understand this information.  If any lurkers have questions I am sure myself and other people around here can try to answer them.   At this point you should all understand that the power conversion proposal from James to convert the "VARs" in the QEG primary resonant tank into real output power will not work because it simply does not work like that.  They are proposing converting "reactive watts" into "real watts" and this is WRONG.  It's not "reactive watts" it's reactive joules.  You can't convert reactive joules into real watts.  This reality has to be made abundantly clear to James.

The energy circulating in the QEC primary tank is like an "inflatable balloon" of energy.  When you "convert VARs to real power" you deflate the balloon (filled with joules) and that's it, you are done.  The resonant tank circuit empties and the resonance is killed or is rendered very feeble.  The input power source (the spinning rotor) has to reinflate the balloon before you can even think about outputting real power into a load again.

Finally, just for the sake of completeness:  Power can indeed flow though a circuit with a resonant LC tank circuit.   Here is an example:   An AC power supply outputs 5 watts of power.   The five watts of power flow though the resonant tank, then get coupled to a secondary transformer winding, and then the 5 watts of power flow out of the secondary and then flow into the load.   While this power flow is happening, at the same time the resonant tank circuit is storing 12 joules of energy.  That very simple example can also be scaled up and apply to the QEG.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 01, 2014, 10:22:15 AM
Farmhand:

As you can see from my previous posting i agree with you about the "two forms of reactive power."  It's not your function generator that is deficient in generating the 90 degree phase shift, it's the nature of the load itself.

If you attach a capacitor to the function generator output and have your probes all hooked up and you have your current sensing resistor, what is the actual load?  There will be a real component and a reactive component.   So the real component prevents the phase shift from being 90 degrees.  The big question is what happens to the phase shift as the frequency changes.  That's typically uncharted territory for the forums.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 01, 2014, 10:40:14 AM
TK:

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The main objection to the QEG saga isn't that someone wants to research something ridiculous, it is the fraudulent marketing and the outright lies and other misrepresentations made by HypeGirl and whoever else on their "team" emits information.

The objection that it simply won't work is equally valid.  What's implicit is the rejection of the argument that "anything is possible, you simply don't know."  It's an argument used ad nauseum around here.  "Laws are made to be broken, etc."  Nobody says to a civil engineer, "Your equations for the minimum girder size in a 40-story office building might not actually be true."

It really won't work because we know how circuits work, and the QEG is just a circuit.  We _know_ that the differential equations for the components work, and we know how to put the circuit into a matrix - a linear network, and solve for all the voltage nodes and current loops in the circuit.  We _know_ this and we have to stand by it.

Questioning the understanding of how the QEG works and challenging it with the "anything is possible" argument is tantamount to telling a civil engineer he might be wrong about his girder size for the same reason, "anything is possible."

This is _not_ being closed minded.  It's actually being open minded and it's about being willing to accept basic principles about matter and energy.  The ones being closed minded are the ones that say, "I don't believe a capacitor is just a capacitor, anything is possible."

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 01, 2014, 11:03:05 AM
MileHigh, that makes perfect sense, since there is a load the phase shift cannot possibly stay at 90 degrees, power must be input due to the load, which indicates to me that any transformer with a tank with any loss or a load cannot stay at exactly 90 degrees phase difference between voltage and current.

Of course when the load is off the setup can be adjusted closer to 90 degrees by adjusting the input frequency and then when a load is applied the phase shifts so power can be input. Seems fairly simple.

With my small solid state Tesla coils I never compared voltage and current phase, I simply tuned for max voltage or max power with a given load. When the load is capacitive and the phase is off a bit the right way the load can cause the phase to go closer to 90 degrees and reduce input power, while reducing tank losses which then power the load.

Ta.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on June 01, 2014, 11:03:23 AM
The schematic is somewhat confusing so i have redrawn it here.

 >>>Beware of the shills here ! They are flooding these forums with crap and can be recognized
with many hundreds or thousands of deflecting and denying posts !! <<<


The "exciter" name is a bit wrong chosen, should be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupter)
When you let the Tsunami doing his job and also respect it: don't kill the dipole or harmony in mutual resonance, to keep it going in harmony with LC and Rev's, with a proper tuned Interrupter, or Thyristor.

Would be a step forward, if the shills would recognize there selves, and seeing they are just a member from another Religion / Moslim or Vatican named: http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763 (http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763)

Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 01, 2014, 11:16:59 AM
The "exciter" name is a bit wrong chosen, should be: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interrupter)
When you let the Tsunami doing his job and also respect it: don't kill the dipole or harmony in mutual resonance, to keep it going in harmony with LC and Rev's, with a proper tuned Interrupter, or Thyristor.

Would be a step forward, if the shills would recognize there selves, and seeing they are just a member from another Religion / Moslim or Vatican named: http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763 (http://www.nature.com/news/publishers-withdraw-more-than-120-gibberish-papers-1.14763)

Regards, Johan

Why don't you just name the shills, and who is paying them ? Then someone can sue you for libel if they choose. No one is fully anonymous, if legal action is taken the site administrators must provide user details if the correct legal procedures are followed. It happens .

So man up and name names. Or not. Whatever.

We can say Hope girl is a scammer because it is obviously true. Nothing she can do about the truth being uttered.

Nothing to fear if there is clear evidence, no need to be coy.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: albert on June 01, 2014, 11:40:58 AM
Hi to everyone here on this thread,

I have been following this discussion for a while. MileHigh you are indeed correct in assuming that many people from other forums are following the discussion here. The problems with the marketing and publication strategy of the HopeGirl group are being discussed to death. I would very much like to leave this out at the moment and focus on the technical questions.

Now your last piece about reactive power was clear and concise. Well explained "for dummies."You took a motor as an example.

"If the power is bidirectional where power flows from a power station into an electric motor, and then half a cycle later power flows from the motor to the power station then you have a reactive power situation.  The power that the motor sends to the power station did not come from the motor itself, it's just the power station's originally supplied power being kicked back by the motor."

Clear and agreed upon!

I have read about transmission lines, power being reflected to the source.

Do you agree with me that the reactive power situation corresponds to a standing wave situation in the wire? You are getting an interference pattern with voltage and current nodes. The energy reflected back to the source interferes with itself. This might heat up a transformer because it might be in a place where it basically has DC flowing thru it.

Do you agree that a standing wave phenomenon can happen at any frequency and is not limited to RF?

Do you agree that in a standing wave situation the GEOMETRY of the output circuit comes into play? Different values for voltage and current can be read in the circuit at different places.

This means that in a series circuit the lamps could be unevenly lit although they are...in series.

what I want to know is whether the Tesla Hairpin Circuit or the "Lecher" circuit can be applied here to extract energy.

I am also thinking about a LASER type phenomenon where you pump energy into an optical or electrical resonator and get coherent light at the output that does not occur in nature and has different capabilites from  normal light. A laser is under unity but no one can say this discovery has not changed the world nonetheless.
think about a magnetron...resonant cavity...if you look at the history of RADAR the importance of resonance and GEOMETRY of the resonator was the key to unlock the shortest wavelengths.

There are so many cases where the geometry is of utmost importance. A lens concentrates light. A prism splits light into its components. Who can say we have reached the end of possible discoveries in the electrical realm?

Now the components of the QEG hve all been researched and have been known for ages. There is however a possibility that a new combination of components may lead to a discovery.

If these thoughts come from the "QEG Twilight ZONE" I apologize. But perhaps its food for thought.
 


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PiCéd on June 01, 2014, 11:57:36 AM
Yes the Qeg is all reactif for now, but if they have there variac is the input power will stay to 600 watts or it will rise to almost 2000 ?
Unfortunatly I think it will be 2000 watt input if all the reactive power become active...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 01, 2014, 12:53:15 PM
Albert, perhaps this will make things even simpler than MileHigh has already explained:

Reactive energy is energy that is stored.  Reactive power is the rate at which energy is moved into and out of an energy store.  Resonant circuits shuttle electrical energy between electrostatic potentials:  charge stored in a capacitor, and magnetic potentials:  the magnetic field surrounding current.  A resonant circuit that has a high quality factor: Q, loses only a small fraction of the stored energy on each cycle from maximum voltage across the capacitor to maximum current through the circuit and back to maximum voltage across the capacitor.  Such high Q networks can collect up a lot of energy a little bit at a time.  All energy that is directed into a resonant network from some source is energy that is not applied to a useful load.  If the network is high Q then most but never all of the energy diverted into the resonant network is available to return to the source or perform useful work.

Reactive components and resonant networks made from reactive components:

Store energy.
Dissipate some energy.
Can build up very high voltages and/or currents.
Can release their stored energy at much higher instantaneous power levels than the energy was input, or vice-versa.
Do not create energy.
Do not amplify energy ( same as saying they don't create energy ).
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 06:41:38 PM
No worries, mate. The Revolution-Green site has some pretty good information about QEG and the early days:
http://revolution-green.com/

Meanwhile, fwiw, here's the operator's manual for the TDS3000 series scopes, including the TDS3054. I was hoping it had an actual image of the Probe Setup menu but it doesn't go quite that deep. This is where the probe type (current or voltage) is set and its attenuation value. They could have set Voltage x1000 and Current x10 here, and the onscreen display labels and values would then be correct. It does also show how to set the math trace to multiply the V and I traces, and it shows how to set up the Measurements to display RMS values for any trace.  In other words, the manual for the scope Robitaille is using clearly explains how to use its basic and advanced features, and this manual is available for free on the internet.

Every engineer knows the meaning of the initials "RTFM". Don't they?

http://courses.cs.washington.edu/courses/cse466/07wi/labs/l2/Oscope/TDS3000Manual.pdf
Thanks TinselKoala for these new data.

I paying my studies and family needs, while working as independent electrician from other professional activities I have, I've trained me in this job in this financial purpose, but I have a very basic training in and I am not skill in anything in oscilloscopes and even more in electronics. I am more about the "genie énergétique" we say in France (energetic engineering) and study of Sciences in general, their history, "genetics", methodology, and logic. So, I am afraid that these technical data you provide to me, I won't be able to use it before long cause my own job and studies already take more time than I would wish.  lol But thanks for your attention, anyway :) Only have very basic Vellam PSGU250 combo scope+gen home.

For the scam possibility, I recognise there is very good argument to think it is, or they are not technically enough educated and they have too much "enthusiasted" themselves. But indeed when I checked about WITT demo, I thought it was a scam while the house was not powered by the system while they claimed it was working from long time, and yes, the vid could be faken with a power grid wire at the back of the blue box on the top of the bulbs panel :/

But I mind: WHAT THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE MADE DONATIONS TO WITT SINCE YEARS FOR THEIR SAID "FREE ENERGY DEVICES", DO IF THEY'VE DONATED BUT HAVEN'T THEN ANY ACTUAL WORKABLE DEVICE? I am surprised to not find any record of complains against them on justice court, this puzzle me so.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 01, 2014, 07:01:14 PM


 But indeed when I checked about WITT demo, I thought it was a scam while the house was not powered by the system while they claimed it was working from long time, and yes, the vid could be faken with a power grid wire at the back of the blue box on the top of the bulbs panel :/



Yes, exactly what I thought when I first saw their first demo.  Here you have this source of endless free energy that you are "selling" (donations...) to others and yet, you are still on the grid.  That was my first big red flag.  Then, when Stefan Hartmann (Our gracious host of this website) payed money to interview them, and all they gave as far as info goes were overunity generalities, theories, etc. I knew it was a scam.  So, when Dopegirl, et al, sites Witts as the inspiration for their device, and praises their brilliant work, another huge red flag was raised.

I have no idea why folks that "donated" to Witts have not taken action against them and I don't understand why Dopegirl is not being sued either.  I guess folks just want to believe.  Very sad.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 07:01:47 PM
MileHigh, I personally make a definite distinction between "reactive power" in the grid sense (returning unused power) and oscillating power in a tank. Maybe they are the same electrically. But to me they are different situations.

Here's a couple of scope shots I just captured. I have a 1 Ohm CSR in series and a 1 kOhm resistive load across the capacitor, the probe grounds are together on the transformer side of the CSR the blue trace has the probe across the 1 Ohm and the yellow trace has the probe across the 1 K and capacitor the blue channel is inverted on the scope menu. Purple is the math trace Ch A x Ch B.

To me it appears that there is more power shown below the line than above it. But I'm guessing it is instrument calibration and such things.

The 1k resistor is a metal film type and the 1 Ohm is a carbon type I think.

Not easy to get right on 90 degrees with my silly FG.
Hi Farmhand, I agree with you about the difference of configuration between in a close tank circuit and when connected to the gird.

But in a way, isn't it the same thing, except the two parts are the grid line and the installations, going back and forth too?

For you scope shots, I don't understand the relationship with your grid difference of concept about reactive power; I see phases shifts but  could you develop a little bit more the idea you wanted to communicate?  Please.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 07:34:39 PM
Khwartz:

The damper keeps the two components that produce the power in phase.  You can just Google a transformer circuit.

You talk about the "infinite reservoir tapped into by high voltage."  Why high voltage?  Why not medium voltage?  Why not high-voltage, high-slew-rate?  Why not voltage that changes exponentially?  Why not high AC voltage that has an exponential decay envelope?  Do you see the point?  Is there any evidence that high voltage taps into an unknown source of power?  Not that I am aware of.  The argument that goes "anything is possible" is a hollow argument because then literally anything is possible.  Why should free energy enter at high voltage?  Why not have energy disappearing into the reservoir at high voltage?  If a circuit is speculated to be over unity, then just as easily you can look at the last 10 circuits played with around here  (like the Akula stuff) and speculate that they are actually under unity.  Energy "disappears" when you run them.  Why not?

Please don't confuse or reinterpret making a statement with issuing orders or being argumentative about the use of a pronoun.  Or if I talk about the QEG and you respond discussing a point about one of your own statements.  That's called "constructing a straw man argument."

Not in the context of what we mean when we say "reactive power" for the QEG.

The _real_ meaning of reactive power is determined by the AC impedance of the load in the context of an AC power source flowing into some kind of load.  Power flows from the AC source, through the wires, and then into the load where it gets converted into something else.   Power has to flow to be power.  If it all flows in one direction (source to load) then it's all real power.  If the power is bidirectional where power flows from a power station into an electric motor, and then half a cycle later power flows from the motor to the power station then you have a reactive power situation.  The power that the motor sends to the power station did not come from the motor itself, it's just the power station's originally supplied power being kicked back by the motor.  I am repeating myself here to make the point as clear as possible for the general readers.

The forums have adopted the term "reactive power" for the energy circulating back and forth in a tank circuit.  That is not power that is flowing.  Rather, it is a static storage of energy in two reactive components.  They are not the same thing at all.

The reason the power companies don't like reactive loads is they draw extra current and that heats all of the distribution transformers up needlessly.  Extra power is lost in the transformers and the wires for nothing.  It also makes the load on the generators in the generating station irregular, and they don't want that.  You don't want energy from reactive loads circulating all over the electrical grid, it's simply not good.  I am not an expert on this stuff (power distribution and how they balance the grid), so these points are just about the general principles at play.

Even in the case of AC power distribution, the reactive power circulating in the power lines is NOT "extra power that you can convert into real power and get over unity."  The reactive power comes from the real power that was supplied by the generating station one-half cycle before in the sine wave.  It's nothing more than the power the generating station output being thrown right back at the generating station.  Reactive power is just temporally borrowed real power that came from the AC power source.  Likewise the "reactive power" in the QEG primary tank is just stored energy that came from the external power source.

In other words, there is no "new power" that can come from reactive power associated with AC mains power distribution, or from the "reactive power" circulating in the primary LC tank circuit in the QEG.

I am writing this all out in detail so the lurkers from the Be-Do forum and all of the QEG replication groups and the QEG team itself can absorb and understand this information.  If any lurkers have questions I am sure myself and other people around here can try to answer them.   At this point you should all understand that the power conversion proposal from James to convert the "VARs" in the QEG primary resonant tank into real output power will not work because it simply does not work like that.  They are proposing converting "reactive watts" into "real watts" and this is WRONG.  It's not "reactive watts" it's reactive joules.  You can't convert reactive joules into real watts.  This reality has to be made abundantly clear to James.

The energy circulating in the QEC primary tank is like an "inflatable balloon" of energy.  When you "convert VARs to real power" you deflate the balloon (filled with joules) and that's it, you are done.  The resonant tank circuit empties and the resonance is killed or is rendered very feeble.  The input power source (the spinning rotor) has to reinflate the balloon before you can even think about outputting real power into a load again.

Finally, just for the sake of completeness:  Power can indeed flow though a circuit with a resonant LC tank circuit.   Here is an example:   An AC power supply outputs 5 watts of power.   The five watts of power flow though the resonant tank, then get coupled to a secondary transformer winding, and then the 5 watts of power flow out of the secondary and then flow into the load.   While this power flow is happening, at the same time the resonant tank circuit is storing 12 joules of energy.  That very simple example can also be scaled up and apply to the QEG.

MileHigh
Thanks for your comments but you've missed my point.

ALL WHAT YOU'VE TRIED TO EXPLAIN TO ME ABOUT REACTIVE POWER KNEW! And I know how to tune a line to avoid the reactive power and make that all the power of the power supply be absorbed by the installation or the device, even in electronic I am not skill at all.

For harvesting extra energy by high voltage pics, I have very precise reasons to think it could work like this, but sorry, I don't think you worth for now to share it with you. But your true, and again you taught me nothing about: anything can be imagine as workable but it doesn't mean it is pertinent. But again, I don't think your, imo close mind and fixed concepts attitude I see from you now, even you're obviously skill in electronics,  worth the sharing. Just up to me now to create time and meanst (which is far to be done, I think :/) to try my own ideas and see if my analysis of the possibilities is correct.  But if I could succeed, sure you would be a very useful opponent to hepl me to improve the quality of my experiments! Lol

Have fun!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 07:55:45 PM
TK:

The objection that it simply won't work is equally valid.  What's implicit is the rejection of the argument that "anything is possible, you simply don't know."  It's an argument used ad nauseum around here.  "Laws are made to be broken, etc."  Nobody says to a civil engineer, "Your equations for the minimum girder size in a 40-story office building might not actually be true."

It really won't work because we know how circuits work, and the QEG is just a circuit.  We _know_ that the differential equations for the components work, and we know how to put the circuit into a matrix - a linear network, and solve for all the voltage nodes and current loops in the circuit.  We _know_ this and we have to stand by it.

Questioning the understanding of how the QEG works and challenging it with the "anything is possible" argument is tantamount to telling a civil engineer he might be wrong about his girder size for the same reason, "anything is possible."

This is _not_ being closed minded.  It's actually being open minded and it's about being willing to accept basic principles about matter and energy.  The ones being closed minded are the ones that say, "I don't believe a capacitor is just a capacitor, anything is possible."

MileHigh
I challenge you: if I bring you a problem about electricity, a result in an experiment you're not able to explain, will you pay 2.000 € for having denigrate my conjecture while indeed you know nothing of the history of the electrical knowledge to the point you can't recognise that near any fundamental progress have been made against the current "well educated in the domain" of the time?

I am not a newbie who don't know anything on the subject science;  epistemology, philosophy of sciences are ones of my main subjects, when I say "you often don't know what you don't know", it is meaningful and proved by history, it is not used by abuse.

But so very thanks to motivate me to shout off your mouse one of these days with something factual you won't be able to explain with your poor Heaviside's equations (erroneously nammed Maxwell's equations BTW) of civil possible engineer. You even not imagine how you just have helped me! Lol Very thanks MileHigh! :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Khwartz on June 01, 2014, 08:33:30 PM
Albert, perhaps this will make things even simpler than MileHigh has already explained:

Reactive energy is energy that is stored.  Reactive power is the rate at which energy is moved into and out of an energy store.  Resonant circuits shuttle electrical energy between electrostatic potentials:  charge stored in a capacitor, and magnetic potentials:  the magnetic field surrounding current.  A resonant circuit that has a high quality factor: Q, loses only a small fraction of the stored energy on each cycle from maximum voltage across the capacitor to maximum current through the circuit and back to maximum voltage across the capacitor.  Such high Q networks can collect up a lot of energy a little bit at a time.  All energy that is directed into a resonant network from some source is energy that is not applied to a useful load.  If the network is high Q then most but never all of the energy diverted into the resonant network is available to return to the source or perform useful work.

Reactive components and resonant networks made from reactive components:

Store energy.
Dissipate some energy.
Can build up very high voltages and/or currents.
Can release their stored energy at much higher instantaneous power levels than the energy was input, or vice-versa.
Do not create energy.
Do not amplify energy ( same as saying they don't create energy ).
100 % agree with this; except that IF my conjecture is true, we could use the building of the resonance to produce high pics voltage to break the stability of the Dirac's plenum and haverst exceeding energy; NOT BECAUSE OF THE REACTIVE ENERGY STORED IN THE TANK, but because of the "HARMONIC BUILDING" of high voltage pics.

But nevermind: to do is better than to discuss, at this point imo.

So see you all in around if I succeed to have anything factual, observable, to present you all here ;) I will probably continue to follow what is going on around but will do need to economise my time if I want to run any experiments, so stop to comment.

I have said for my part all I had to say here and in other threads, so nobody will be fully surprised if I come back "with something"; otherwise, it will be just an other "megalomaniac" from around; any I am, not you? ;)

Cheers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Yadaraf on June 01, 2014, 09:37:23 PM
TinselKoala
...

To try to use your analogy, it would be like if when the swin reaches a certain height the girl would have time to take big fruits on the tree and gives it to someone at the lowest height. If done continously,  the swin could go on indefinitely while an flow of particles, here the fruits, occurs.
...


Interesting extension, Khwartz.  The QEG team has yet to integrate the purported 20-50 ft WITTS antenna (and ground circuit).  Perhaps when they do, the antenna will help the little girl (QEG) reach the "fruit." 


Cheers,
Yada ...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 01, 2014, 09:56:14 PM
It will certainly help the local communications regulators (FCC in the USA) to find them and their illegal noise/jamming transmitter which is disrupting radio and TV reception for many meters around.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 01, 2014, 11:28:41 PM
100 % agree with this; except that IF my conjecture is true, we could use the building of the resonance to produce high pics voltage to break the stability of the Dirac's plenum and haverst exceeding energy; NOT BECAUSE OF THE REACTIVE ENERGY STORED IN THE TANK, but because of the "HARMONIC BUILDING" of high voltage pics.

But nevermind: to do is better than to discuss, at this point imo.

So see you all in around if I succeed to have anything factual, observable, to present you all here ;) I will probably continue to follow what is going on around but will do need to economise my time if I want to run any experiments, so stop to comment.

I have said for my part all I had to say here and in other threads, so nobody will be fully surprised if I come back "with something"; otherwise, it will be just an other "megalomaniac" from around; any I am, not you? ;)

Cheers.
Something demonstrable that supports the idea would go a long way towards moving the idea out of the realm of imagination.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 01, 2014, 11:36:35 PM
Just one other comment about the QEG.  I believe that some people believe that it can be a generator without mechanical back torque that resists the driving motor.  Something about the variable inductance in the primary, or the variable reluctance, or calling it a "parametric" device, etc.  Also the fact that the rotor is just a spinning piece of metal without magnets or coils might lead some to believe that the "problem" of back torque under load has been "bypassed" by the QEG.

There are a handful of QEG clips out there where they achieve resonance and the light bulb array lights up.  You notice in all the clips when the light bulbs light up the QEG makes a groaning sound.  That groaning sound is parts in the QEG responding to the new internal mechanical stress it is experiencing because of the back torque.  There is a decent chance the individual arms of the rotor are vibrating like tuning forks because of this stress.  That might be just one component in the groaning sound, if it is happening at all.  No matter what is actually happening to create the groaning sound, the groaning sound itself is due to mechanical stresses in the QEG.

When you think of an individual rotor arm, as it rotates it's like it is getting a "ping" of tangential mechanical force when it passes the four extra "posts" that form the toroidal core.  That ping of force bends the rotor arm and then it resonates.  How much it resonates depends on the individual build.  Note some of the mechanical energy supplied by the motor is lost in the mechanical ring-down of the rotor arms.

When this happens, of course that's when the rotor arm is injecting a "nugget of energy" into the primary coil.  A "ping of EMF" happens inside the primary coil when the rotor arm passes and that is what sustains the LC tank circuit.  Then of course some of that energy nugget makes its way through the secondary and then into the light bulb load.

So, for all the "fancy" mechanical architecture of the device, it still places back torque on the drive motor when it is driving a load just like any conventional generator.  The groaning sound is giving you auditory confirmation that this is happening.

The idea that the "parametric inductance," or whatever, changes things and "reduces or eliminates the mechanical load" is not true.

I once asked for a measurement of the drive motor power draw just before resonance hits and at resonance.  The main reason I asked for that was to get confirmation that the QEG was putting a greatly increased mechanical load on the drive motor when resonance happens.  Every single group building a QEG should make these types of measurements and share them freely with the other groups and share them online.  It's almost shocking how little data there is out there.  I read Stuart on PESN stating that everybody decided to not share any data because of the online comments and critiques.  My response to that is if you truly believe in what you are doing and you believe in open-sourcing this design then you just have to bite the bullet and share your data because it is the right thing to do.  Comments from people cannot "ruin your experiments."  I am also assuming that many teams were created where the members are not really that familiar with electronics.  You still have to go forward if you believe in your project.  James was chastised for failing to understand his waveform and for not identifying the phase shift in the tank circuit.  This is not overly harsh or unwarranted criticism, it's just the truth.  Plus don't forget he wants to charge people $300/hr for his services.

I will close by repeating the fact that we are a few months into the QEG project and we have barely seen any preliminary data or hard test data shared publicly from the different QEG build groups.  The challenge for all of you is to be transparent and take the bad with the good, that's what peer review is all about and that's how real progress is made.  Believe it or not, if you all share your data and share it publicly, and the majority of you arrive at the conclusion that it doesn't work as claimed, then that is a good thing and that represents real progress.  That represents a bunch of people around the world that got together and looked past the hype and in a responsible fashion they made their measurements, analyzed their data, and collectively arrived at a conclusion.  That's the real challenge.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 02, 2014, 12:01:30 AM
I can think of one more public challenge to the QEG replicators, and this includes the Fix the World group:

Whenever you make a QEG clip and you are driving a load, you must show your power input measurement on the Kill-a-Watt meter and your power output measurement into the load.  You have to show how you measured the current and the voltage through the light bulb load and do the calculations.  Then you must calculate and state your efficiency.

This is what the whole project is about, there is no point beating around the bush and ignoring the the most important measurement of all.

There is no valid reason to try self-looping before you complete the power-in vs. power-out measurements.  You will just be wasting your time if you jump straight into the self-looping.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 02, 2014, 12:09:36 AM
From my FEMM analysis and QEG SPICE 2.1 model the claim or believe that the parametric excitation of the QEG reduces or eliminates "back torque" or what I call cogging torque appears false.   From the FEMM analysis that I posted graphs of a couple of weeks ago it is plain to see that that more the current in the primary rises the more the rotor is attracted back toward the poles as it is driven away from them. 

Now one might argue that the timing of the current in the primary and the relationship between the rotor and the poles is such that the attraction of the rotor to the poles is minimized as the rotor moves away from the pole, although again the SPICE simulation made from the FEMM analysis data seems to suggest this belief is also false.

From my SPICE 2.1 simulation along with what the replicators have reported, it would seem that more load on the output generates more load on the drive motor though this cogging torque phenomena.  So it would appear that hopes that the QEG will operate without cogging torque loading down the drive motor will remain unsatisfied.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 02, 2014, 12:11:36 AM
More of a challenge than most of the QEG people and builders are up for, I'm afraid.

Consider. You (generic) are an electronics tinkerer and FE/OU fervent believer. You kind of believe in Timmy Thrapp but aren't really sure and are turned off by his ... er... marketing strategy. Now HypeGirl comes along and proclaims that they actually have a successful running version of the device demonstrated years ago by Timmy. And they are going to travel around teaching and giving them away so send money etc. Then you read about the Taiwan group and all the excitement and so you go and spend your three or four thousand dollars for the core and other parts, along with your generous donation to the FTW travel fund. Then you build and test, read and consider, build and test. And you come up empty and increasingly frustrated. And you notice that the very same thing is happening to James Robitaille himself, and you recall your EE classes from many years ago and you can see plainly that he is flailing, either deliberately lying about what the traces mean or is so incompetent that it's clear he's in waaaay over his head.

Now... you have the opportunity to report your folly, your negative findings and all the money you spent, or you can just remain silent and sweep it all under the rug, put the stuff on a shelf in the garage and show it off during weekend tailgate parties. Your choice....

"It's better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 02, 2014, 12:23:10 AM
F_Brown:

Thanks for your comments, great stuff.  It's like I did a "top-down" analysis, and you did a "bottoms-up" analysis and they agree.

It's funny sometimes because I think a lot of people don't realize how powerful a top-down analysis can be.  I don't have to literally know that the rotors experience tangential pings of force or that there is an injection of EMF into the primary coils, but I know that it has to happen like that.  It's just a question of making the measurements to confirm it.

TK:

Your analysis was compelling and I love the quote at the end!  I never read it before.  Nonetheless, I am going to be an idealist and hope.  Hope hope hope hope hope.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 02, 2014, 02:29:55 AM
Hi Albert,
I am a firm believer in this statement that you made and not limited to the QEG.

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Now the components of the QEG hve all been researched and have been known for ages. There is however a possibility that a new combination of components may lead to a discovery.

My hope is that through forums like this and others that this will be possible.
I also wonder as many OU claims that have been made due to poor test procedures that eventually were found to be incorrect.
How many discoveries were missed by experimenters like ourselves and discounted as equipment errors or not having the equipment to make proper measurements. Tesla resorted to making his own. I can not believe that everything has now been discovered and that is why I do think unconventionally. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 02, 2014, 02:33:44 AM
There are various circuits out there that are suppose to convert the reactive power to real power from the rotoverter device information (you can do a search on this).  The principle is one based on extracting through voltage (capacitor charging) and drawing power from them. Note that voltage is a maximum when current is at a minimum (charging interval near voltage maximum), so BEMF is minimized in terms of impact back to the source, i.e. the motor turning the generator.  Also, it is desirable to extract the power from the capacitor when it is not being charged, so this is another way not to impact the source current draw.


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I'm not sure how that could work. Jamie would like to extract real  power from the primary as I understand him.  This being a tank circuit the energy is going back and forth between the cap and the inductor, we are simply moving charge between two storage elements, no work is being done, there is no power there either hence the reason its called "imaginary" power.  Also if you switch in capacitance at specific times to harvest some of the charge, you are going to chance the resonance of the circuit.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 02, 2014, 02:44:36 AM
The main objection to the QEG saga isn't that someone wants to research something ridiculous, it is the fraudulent marketing and the outright lies and other misrepresentations made by HypeGirl and whoever else on their "team" emits information. If they had presented it as a research project, speculating about outcomes and asking for donations based on that... well, OK maybe. But that isn't what they did: they proclaimed they had a fully working design and a tested functional prototype, even stating the specific figure of 150 hours running. Everybody "assumed" that meant 150 hours running _itself_ and lighting up the usual loads. But now... some of us realize that wasn't true at all. Yet they drummed up a lot of interest and a huge amount of money. Enough money to fund me and my lab fully for the next five years, and that was just for starters. And that is what is so objectionable about their process. They are selling something they do not have and do not know how to make, while making false claims about its performance. Whether what they claim is impossible or not (it is) is really beside the point, from a mail fraud standpoint. After all, gold exists and can be mined. So will you buy some of these shares in my gold mine? If the shares aren't real or the mine isn't real or I don't have authority to sell them, you are being defrauded, even though gold itself might actually exist somewhere.


Well said!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 02, 2014, 02:55:34 AM
Is there anyway to stabilize and maintain the resonance so this could be possible?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 02, 2014, 03:08:00 AM
@MileHigh
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The reason the power companies don't like reactive loads is they draw extra current and that heats all of the distribution transformers up needlessly.  Extra power is lost in the transformers and the wires for nothing.  It also makes the load on the generators in the generating station irregular, and they don't want that.  You don't want energy from reactive loads circulating all over the electrical grid, it's simply not good.  I am not an expert on this stuff (power distribution and how they balance the grid), so these points are just about the general principles at play.


I studied the power grid in gory detail as part of my degree, but that was many moon ago. I think the main thing is if you have inductive loads, like motors or other devices with none unit power factor like refrigerators, you have to balance that out somehow else the voltage will not stay at its nominal value say 240V (vector addition thing). They can do this several ways. You can add capacitance to the grid. In the UK there is a parallel set of transmission lines running the length of the county. They can switch those into the network to add capacitance. Another way is for some power plants to generate reactive power. They use hydro generation in Wales to produce reactive power at key times when its needed. They can turn it on and off quickly as required. The power grid is actually surprising complicated. Don't now how they manage things in the US.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 02, 2014, 03:25:53 AM
@MileHigh
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There are a handful of QEG clips out there where they achieve resonance and the light bulb array lights up.  You notice in all the clips when the light bulbs light up the QEG makes a groaning sound.  That groaning sound is parts in the QEG responding to the new internal mechanical stress it is experiencing because of the back torque.  There is a decent chance the individual arms of the rotor are vibrating like tuning forks because of this stress.  That might be just one component in the groaning sound, if it is happening at all.  No matter what is actually happening to create the groaning sound, the groaning sound itself is due to mechanical stresses in the QEG.

I think that we have all forgot that the extra energy in the QEG was supposed to be coming from the mechanical vibration of the laminations, it was advertised as an electro-mechanical device. There are a bunch of Youtube videos that show voltage pikes resulting from tapping a transformer for example.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 02, 2014, 05:22:15 AM
@MileHigh

I studied the power grid in gory detail as part of my degree, but that was many moon ago. I think the main thing is if you have inductive loads, like motors or other devices with none unit power factor like refrigerators, you have to balance that out somehow else the voltage will not stay at its nominal value say 240V (vector addition thing). They can do this several ways. You can add capacitance to the grid. In the UK there is a parallel set of transmission lines running the length of the county. They can switch those into the network to add capacitance. Another way is for some power plants to generate reactive power. They use hydro generation in Wales to produce reactive power at key times when its needed. They can turn it on and off quickly as required. The power grid is actually surprising complicated. Don't now how they manage things in the US.
No, the problem is as MileHigh states it.  Suppose you have a 0.1 PowerFactor, the VA product is basically 10X the real power.  The 10X current flows back and forth between the reactive load and the power company's equipment heating everything along the way.  Many power utilities bill industrial customers extra for low power factor loads and/or require them to install power factor correctors.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 02, 2014, 05:41:05 AM
@MarkE


No, the problem is as MileHigh states it.  Suppose you have a 0.1 PowerFactor, the VA product is basically 10X the real power.  The 10X current flows back and forth between the reactive load and the power company's equipment heating everything along the way.  Many power utilities bill industrial customers extra for low power factor loads and/or require them to install power factor correctors.


NO THE PROBLEM IS YOU NEED REACTIVE POWER IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN VOLTAGE LEVELS ON THE GRID. You missed the point entirely. You can not delivery real power with out reactive power. Industrial users are not billed in Watts but VA (apparent power) . Industrial users are incentivized to correct their power factor else they pay more like you say. Home users do not get penalized but with millions of homes with refrigeraters and other inductive loads this places an aggregated  burden on the grid system.  You might want to read up on it some time before saying I'm wrong! At least think before going off half cocked. But I see from the multitude of posts you make that that is not your style. 


Here's a place you might like to start.


http://www2.nationalgrid.com/uk/services/balancing-services/reactive-power-services/ (http://www2.nationalgrid.com/uk/services/balancing-services/reactive-power-services/)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 02, 2014, 05:46:22 AM
PCB:

Sometimes in a radio or an amplifier a connection opens.  Then when you listen to the speaker and tap the circuit board you hear the tap on the loudspeaker.  An open-circuit input somewhere in the circuit can be very sensitive to any EMF that might be generated from the mechanical tapping.  The input acts like a microphone.  The same thing can happen with tubes.  So for the clips you are talking about, you can do something analogous with your scope input.  If you hit a transformer or a coil core it's possible to generate a very tiny EMF signal of very high impedance. That means it so weak it can't even drive a 10 kohm resistor as a load, it would get shorted out.

The discussion above is not about mechanical resonance of the core.  However, something analogous would likely happen.  The only way for the coils to output power is for large amounts of changing flux to be traveling through the core.  We are talking real tangible power, hundreds of watts requiring massive amounts of changing flux.  If the core resonates mechanically, chances are it will be akin to the microphone effect.  I can't imagine any useful output from core resonance being more than a milliwatt.  It might more likely be a few microwatts.

Some people state that the resonance will modulate the permeability of the core.  If you can develop the mechanical stress levels to do that I suppose it can be done, I don't really know or have experience.  Nonetheless, modulating the permeability of the core is not expected to be a mechanism that will produce massive amounts of changing flux.  If there is flux already flowing and you modulate it, that's fine but somebody else is expending power to create the flux in the first place.

Going back to the mechanical aspect, you have to supply power to modulate the permeability in the first place.  I assume the theory is that the electrical resonance is supposed to match the mechanical resonance.  That's easier said than done, you would have to tweak the primary capacitance.  The coils themselves will put a small amount of mechanical stress on the core, so by changing the coil excitation frequency you might be able to detect when the core is resonating.  You could do a whole separate test with a signal generator and an amplifier if you wanted too.

In my opinion the whole business about the mechanical resonance of the core is not a real proposition.  Again, there is the real energy analysis:  Somebody has to provide the power to make the core mechanically resonate.  The resonating core probably is quite damped, meaning there will be losses to heat.  The power source for the mechanical resonance has to come from the input.  So that means you use input electrical power to make the core mechanically resonate to produce very weak electrical power output in the primary and secondary coils.  And your best-case scenario presumably is to have a frequency match between the primary LC tank circuit and the mechanical core resonance.  In my opinion, if you do all that you won't fund anything special.

It's a concept that I personally find to not be credible.  Sometimes in technology there are very specialized applications for things like this, but they are never touted as being sources of energy.  I believe that they have used and may still use acoustic delay lines in all sorts of applications.  It's just a slab of material that they beam signals through and with a microphone they pick up a delayed signal.  The answer is just a search away.

To go full circle, if there is a QEG replication group that believes that mechanical resonance of the core will produce over unity or aid in its production, then just do the research, design a set of experiments, and make your measurements and document your findings and find out if it's true.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 02, 2014, 06:04:15 AM
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@MileHIgh

And your best-case scenario presumably is to have a frequency match between the primary LC tank circuit and the mechanical core resonance.

I only mentioned it because this was the explanation Jamie was giving for the extra energy back when he thought the secondary output was 240V , not high voltage pics or what ever as at least one other person is now proposing. I actually think that the resonant frequency of the primary was supposed to be at the mechanical resonance of the core. But I think things might have drifted a bit lately. The fact that Jamie later said that this was a high voltage output device is also pretty good evidence that he really never had a working prototype before going forth into the world I think. It is possible to resonate a transformer and make it sing. It would be interesting to look at the output on a scope under those conditions.


I just Googled "resonant transformer ring" and came up with this interesting snipet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_inductive_coupling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_inductive_coupling)  Lots of Tesla references.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 02, 2014, 06:21:43 AM
I also did not think about the fact that the spinning rotor is also a possible driver of the mechanical resonance of the core, much more so than any mechanical excitation caused by the coils themselves.

Whatever, I am not expecting this to amount to anything.  There are already enough alleged "secret sauces" for the QEG and the test results so far are significantly under unity.  It's really annoying actually that Fix the World is trying to claim that they have gotten positive results.  It goes back to my challenge to all of the replicators to accurately and honestly report their input and output power measurements.  These monkeyshines are not earning FTW any credibility.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 02, 2014, 06:30:33 AM

MileHigh

Something more germane to the "problem" of mechanical vibration in transformer laminations: 
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/228995021_On_the_influence_of_core_laminations_upon_power_transformer_noise/file/72e7e52f11847de3bc.pdf (http://www.researchgate.net/publication/228995021_On_the_influence_of_core_laminations_upon_power_transformer_noise/file/72e7e52f11847de3bc.pdf)

From reading the above we have: Alternating Electro-magnetic flux giving rise to Magnetostrictive forces (vibration of core due to magnetism) and Magneto-motive forces (Transverse motion of core laminations). This can lead to a lot of mechanical vibration and electrical noise. I would say most engineers would view the vibration and noise as loss components (a source of inefficiency) and not a source of energy. This could explain why their posted efficiency numbers are so low. After all when they get "resonance" the input power jumps up. It's got to be going some place, i.e. a lot of mechanical vibration.


PCB
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on June 02, 2014, 10:43:45 AM
Why don't you just name the shills,
Would be great if they could stand up!

and who is paying them ?
Do you know, maybe only ego/arm works, no idea YOU?

Then someone can sue you for libel if they choose.
There choice, make my day!

No one is fully anonymous, if legal action is taken the site administrators must provide user details if the correct legal procedures are followed. It happens .
Would be great, that nagging about every other from there arm-chair, but safe and easy hidden!?

So man up and name names. Or not. Whatever.
So maybe nickname's should be banned, me you can find easy, why there fear, maybe most are stealing time from there boring job-Time, who nows!?

We can say Hope girl is a scammer because it is obviously true. Nothing she can do about the truth being uttered.
Thats clear and easy, but why not more builders, almost writing more than real-only marketing people, to defend but what ................ ?

Nothing to fear if there is clear evidence, no need to be coy.
Thats a good question: Why they have to write so bad over others, safe behind a nicky without own works or proof, just typing and typing new kind of ee, eee, ieee Bible's?

Would be nice to understand this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckpQW9sdUg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckpQW9sdUg)


Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 02, 2014, 02:02:03 PM
Johan,

You are talking about myself and other people when you talk about shills and banning people.  Your comments are unacceptable.  Do you have any technical points to make to disagree with what I and others are saying?

The only thing we should be hearing from you is a discussion about the QEG project.

Take a look at this link:  http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/409-major-breakthrough-overunity-demonstrated

You see the title of the thread, "Major Breakthrough: Overunity Demonstrated."  There is a big problem Johan, the title of that thread is a LIE, even their own measurements show that it is a LIE.

Don't give me any more of your crap where you attempt to impugn my character and impugn the character of others around here.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 02, 2014, 02:40:27 PM

NO THE PROBLEM IS YOU NEED REACTIVE POWER IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN VOLTAGE LEVELS ON THE GRID. You missed the point entirely. You can not delivery real power with out reactive power. Industrial users are not billed in Watts but VA (apparent power) . Industrial users are incentivized to correct their power factor else they pay more like you say. Home users do not get penalized but with millions of homes with refrigeraters and other inductive loads this places an aggregated  burden on the grid system.  You might want to read up on it some time before saying I'm wrong! At least think before going off half cocked. But I see from the multitude of posts you make that that is not your style. 


Here's a place you might like to start.


http://www2.nationalgrid.com/uk/services/balancing-services/reactive-power-services/ (http://www2.nationalgrid.com/uk/services/balancing-services/reactive-power-services/)
That document refers to reactive current that the utility must absorb and release in order to keep the grid voltage stable in the face of reactive user loads. 

Your shouted claim: 
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NO THE PROBLEM IS YOU NEED REACTIVE POWER IN ORDER TO MAINTAIN VOLTAGE LEVELS ON THE GRID.
Is at best imprecise.  The network must not collapse in the face of reactive loads.  That means that the network must absorb reactive customer currents.  A network that is completely non reactive and which has a suitably low, only real impedance can do that.

Your claim: 
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You can not delivery real power with out reactive power.
Is simply and completely wrong.  An ideal transmission network appears completely resistive.  Uncompensated reactive loads are a practical matter that increase the burden on transmission networks.  Transmission networks have to put up reactive loads.  Reactive currents are not necessary and are undesirable.  They are tolerated.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 02, 2014, 02:52:14 PM
Would be great if they could stand up!
Do you know, maybe only ego/arm works, no idea YOU?
There choice, make my day!
Would be great, that nagging about every other from there arm-chair, but safe and easy hidden!?
So maybe nickname's should be banned, me you can find easy, why there fear, maybe most are stealing time from there boring job-Time, who nows!?
Thats clear and easy, but why not more builders, almost writing more than real-only marketing people, to defend but what ................ ?
Thats a good question: Why they have to write so bad over others, safe behind a nicky without own works or proof, just typing and typing new kind of ee, eee, ieee Bible's?

Would be nice to understand this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckpQW9sdUg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ckpQW9sdUg)


Regards, Johan
The Leyden jar demonstration is very simple:  The charge and energy is stored across the dielectric of the beaker walls.  The conductive cups carry the charge in the external circuit. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 02, 2014, 04:49:59 PM
(snip)
I just Googled "resonant transformer ring" and came up with this interesting snipet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_inductive_coupling (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_inductive_coupling)  Lots of Tesla references.

That article is hilarious. Good, and bad. It's informative but I find it funny.  I am laughing really hard at the image they chose to include to illustrate resonant inductive coupling. The image is titled "Resonant inductive coupling experiment conducted by CT&T Laboratories, december 2012, 13 inch transmission distance.jpg", reproduced below.

Compare their ugly bulky apparatus lighting a few LEDs, made in December of 2012, with what I show with my resonant inductive coupling system in this video below, made in July of 2012:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaVmTeaU4Io (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaVmTeaU4Io)

By the way... the circulating reactive or resonant power in the transmission loop of my apparatus is quite amazing. James Robitaille would be measuring p-p voltages of 200 volts and currents of 10-20 amps in the loop. But I'm only applying 12 VDC at a maximum of 5 amps or so on the input. Therefore: We have attained Resonance! And we have _massive_ Overunity! Please send me twenty thousand dollars so I can string a wire from the receiver over to the transmitter input and remove the battery!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 02, 2014, 05:10:18 PM
Mechanically vibrating the core laminations by electromechanical resonance is a Loss Mechanism. Also a Damage Mechanism. Good luck with that. It's definitely NOT going to help the "bottom line" energetically... but as another Red Herring, it will help keep the Vacation Fund solvent.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 02, 2014, 05:24:34 PM
How are these people able to emit such utter crap, garbage and lies, while asking people to give them money???

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Electromechanical resonance is not new. It was discovered 130 years ago by Nikola Tesla and was subsequently locked down to ensure profitability for the electric ‘utility’ companies. Although most of Tesla’s patents have since resurfaced, resonance is not utilized in any of our energy systems today and most people are not even aware of this raw power providing phenomenon….UNTIL NOW.
Thanks to the opensourcing of the QEG technology provided by FTW, and the brave souls who have embarked on this journey of re-creating and demonstrating Tesla’s concept to the public, the information is finally out and shows that we can create raw power without the control of the energy industry.  Even now history is repeating itself and many are attempting to suppress Tesla’s technology by discrediting the QEG. (more to come on this in a follow up blogpost)
......................
In this “Morocco has Resonance (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7--G5qSDag#t=22)” video, you can hear the cheering voices of the people who have a deep understanding that what they are witnessing is the ability to create their own raw power without the energy industry. It is a joyful cry of freedom. Almost 80 people from 24 countries attended the Morocco QEG build that was donated and opened to the public by FTW.
It is imperative to mention that the people who showed up at the public QEG build where of the highest professional caliber: physicists, and electical engineers from several of the top leading industries. All were there to volunteer their time and talent to the mission of the project of bringing this free energy to the world.
(sic)
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/)

Astounding.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 02, 2014, 07:53:06 PM
@MarkE


We are talking about grid systems. I'm not going to waste my time responding to you. You clearly have a very limited understanding of electricity and ac power. I very much doubt your have an engineering degree, and if you do your grades were probably extremely bad.


PCB
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 02, 2014, 08:25:51 PM
How are these people able to emit such utter crap, garbage and lies, while asking people to give them money???
 (sic)
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/)

Astounding.


As we know resonance is simply a way to store large amounts of energy a little bit at a time over some extended period of time. As they found out when the QEG primary shorted, left unchecked you can build up very large amounts of energy..  Since it takes a while to build up the energy in the reservoir, I guess you could draw some of it out, but you are never going to get more out then you put in, place you have all that mechanical vibration to feed. These guys have no understanding of physics at all. I could not believe hopGirl's last funding announcement that they had achieved overunity in VArs. They are simply measuring the stored energy in the reservoir.  They are ignoring the Watt seconds it took to put it there.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 03, 2014, 12:49:38 AM
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As we know resonance is simply a way to store large amounts of energy a little bit at a time over some extended period of time. As they found out when the QEG primary shorted, left unchecked you can build up very large amounts of energy..  Since it takes a while to build up the energy in the reservoir, I guess you could draw some of it out, but you are never going to get more out then you put in, place you have all that mechanical vibration to feed. These guys have no understanding of physics at all. I could not believe hopGirl's last funding announcement that they had achieved overunity in VArs. They are simply measuring the stored energy in the reservoir.  They are ignoring the Watt seconds it took to put it there.

Question:
Has the watt seconds been determined?
Question:
Reservoir?
Mainly I am wondering, once discharged how long it would take to recharge to original.
Thanks
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 03, 2014, 01:00:57 AM
@MarkE


We are talking about grid systems. I'm not going to waste my time responding to you. You clearly have a very limited understanding of electricity and ac power. I very much doubt your have an engineering degree, and if you do your grades were probably extremely bad.


PCB
LOL  Don't take any wooden PFCs.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 03, 2014, 01:33:03 AM
TK:

You and others have mentioned that Jamie may be faking not understanding the current waveform or faking not seeing the phase shift.  I suppose that is also possible but honestly it didn't occur to me.  I am so used to seeing low-tech stuff pitched by people that are faking their experience and overall knowledge.  i.e.; John R as a prime example.  Many in the Bee-Deenie crowd also.  My gut feel is he doesn't know but of course this is just an opinion based on what I have seen so far.

PCB:

You have misread MarkE.

Angelic:

The reservoir is the primary LC tank circuit.  The input energy is measured in the standard way, voltage x current x time.

Going back to the QEG, a report came in from Taiwan.  They reported 50% efficiency, but no measurements or clip.  It seems like the progress is very slow in Taiwan.  The Be-Do forum continues to be a study of Molasses in January.

How much real activity is going on is under debate in my mind.  I find the best litmus test for that is when someone uploads a new and hot video that you expect everyone building and following will want to see.  Some videos have come out where after a few days the view count is between 250-350.  So then perhaps divide by 10 to estimate the number of replicators.  That's a typical forum read count for a relatively hot thread.  So they ain't so big.  Naturally, it would not be surprising if HopeGirl has been exaggerating about the activity level the whole time.  (5000 engineers, how much salary does 5000 man-weeks represent?)  The crowd-funding pie is much bigger but I assume that a lot of them may be passive observers and they don't go and check out the new videos.

I suppose the replicators will start to post videos soon and that will at least be something new.  Each replicator will have their respective "expiry date."

MileHigh

P.S.: OMG I just realized that the last phrase can be interpreted in multiple ways.  That could set people off!  lol  It's a reference to shelf life - when they will give up.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hartiberlin on June 03, 2014, 01:43:34 AM
I have not seen this posted yet or I missed it.
Here are the last 2 screenshots that were posted in the last video of Fakegirl:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhd0Ebygriw

They show the test data, but no circuit diagram was posted nor the test points
they were taken from.
From the light output you can see, that the lamps are much dimmer than the
used 600 Watts input.

If these lamps would have put out more than 600 Watts the room would really have lit up and
the lights would be brighter than the small table lamp...

Anyway, here are these screenshots rotated , so one can read them.
Also Robitaile admitted, that they still have to work out how to extract the
reactive power....but if this is possible only time will tell...
Maybe he needs to go to the Bedini conference, where this Reactive Power transformation
circuit from Murray and Babcock will be shown....

Regards, Stefan.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 03, 2014, 01:45:36 AM
Thanks MH,
I know how it is calculated. But has this been done or has the information been provided to make that calculation? I may have missed it and it may have no bearings here. I would just like to know!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 03, 2014, 02:52:01 AM
LOL  Don't take any wooden PFCs.


Just having a bit of fun. What's a wooden PFC?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 03, 2014, 03:20:27 AM

Just having a bit of fun. What's a wooden PFC?
If you don't know, then you might just get stuck with one.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 03, 2014, 03:41:09 AM
@MarkE


We are talking about grid systems. I'm not going to waste my time responding to you. You clearly have a very limited understanding of electricity and ac power. I very much doubt your have an engineering degree, and if you do your grades were probably extremely bad.


PCB

Spoken like a noob.  Oh wait, it says "Newbie" under your name.  Makes perfect sense now.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 03, 2014, 04:03:35 AM
Spoken like a noob.  Oh wait, it says "Newbie" under your name.  Makes perfect sense now.

Ok is this the standard that is being set. This is the most disappointing comment ever. Really, please just for future Newbies would you restate the requirements to participate in your forum. It is ok to attack one another as long as you qualify! Whay not make this a closed discussion to only meet your specific requirements. Does everyone other than nubies feel this way?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 03, 2014, 04:21:36 AM
Really,
Ok I got it. I thought maybe this was a group that included all.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 03, 2014, 04:38:32 AM
I hope most of you will have the balls to stand up and acknowledge that this is not the way that you want this forum to be ran. If not Nubies beware and find another group that will accept your noob comments. Good Bye!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 03, 2014, 07:24:48 AM
It's funny how you've gone on this tirade.  PirateBill didn't say new member posts aren't welcome.  He criticized a particular post by PCB for its content.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 03, 2014, 08:02:21 AM
PirateBill didn't say new member posts aren't welcome.  He criticized a particular post by PCB for its content.


No! He did not limit his negativity to PCB, but included that this was an expected response from Nudies. That was uncalled for and will discourage participation from new members.
Do not try to defend the undependable as Hopegirl is doing!     
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 03, 2014, 08:15:58 AM
His post is right here:

Quote
Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1346 on: Today at 03:41:09 AM »

    Quote

Quote
Quote from: PCB on June 02, 2014, 07:53:06 PM

    @MarkE


    We are talking about grid systems. I'm not going to waste my time responding to you. You clearly have a very limited understanding of electricity and ac power. I very much doubt your have an engineering degree, and if you do your grades were probably extremely bad.


    PCB


Spoken like a noob.  Oh wait, it says "Newbie" under your name.  Makes perfect sense now.

Bill

He did not say anything about all newbie comments, or all newbies.   He did not say that newbies should not post.  He did not say that newbies are not welcome.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 03, 2014, 08:45:27 AM
I can't some do not understand the word Noob.

Did you not say good bye?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 03, 2014, 08:59:47 AM
I will accept the newbie label are you a noob http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Noob
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 03, 2014, 09:19:15 AM
I'm sorry Mark, I have been an advocate for this group. But there is no defending this comment by Bill ,so why are you.  But I will not judge the entire group based on a bad choice of words of one. Unless others follow in his beliefs that newbies are other than new to to your forum.   

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 03, 2014, 09:57:46 AM
I'm sorry Mark, I have been an advocate for this group. But there is no defending this comment by Bill ,so why are you.  But I will not judge the entire group based on a bad choice of words of one. Unless others follow in his beliefs that newbies are other than new to to your forum.
Angelic, if you want to know what PirateBill believes, I suggest that you ask him.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 03, 2014, 10:35:17 AM
You are right, and tirade right again. My wife said the same thing yesterday afternoon. Running out of Ambein days before your refill date can do that. Please accept my appliqué’s. good night I hope.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 03, 2014, 10:41:39 AM
You are right, and tirade right again. My wife said the same thing yesterday afternoon. Running out of Ambein days before your refill date can do that. Please accept my appliqué’s. good night I hope.
The good thing about running out of Ambien is that you can pick up a new prescription from the drive through at Walgreen's at 3:00am without ever waking up.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on June 03, 2014, 11:01:26 AM
Dear x,

Did not wanted to do this in-public, your choice!?

But agreed, Hope-Team did make a bit very HopeFull claims! :-((

Like Farmhand correct did write:
We are all the gast in Stefan Hartmann's house, thinking for every equal rights, newby or hero-old, darwin or religious?
----

To explain what you should know, before pointing to a person like Hope or others, personally & religious:

For example in NY-US, there are Lawyer-Offices creating there own Business, with there own Case-Building departments.
They find the case, research, contact one side, the Plaintiff, for both making a real profitable deal! ;-))
Find, from the US-Inland product turnover, is a huge 5% only Court-case's!

RA did blow that chance here selves, with here own material spread in direction of some members, good for Stefan! ;-))

The case of Hope: Could still be picked up by such a Case-Builder, with all here fan's around the world, meaning if there is one or more reading here, like some of the members are hoping!?

Hope-Team, for sure can use some extra budget, from your money is that what you want?

Stefan would get some real BIG problems, like some others, do you want to lose this OU-forum?

Just trying to avoid, the brake dow of OU and some of you, also protecting you with this, blondy!

I'm learning very much here, also from you, only ................. please, please focus on technics!!

------

You are talking about myself and other people when you talk about shills and banning people.
If you nag about religion, you hurt people like me and for sure Luc, chicken safe behind anonime!

Your comments are unacceptable.
Your one's a high science?

Do you have any technical points to make to disagree with what I and others are saying?
Did make them!

The only thing we should be hearing from you is a discussion about the QEG project.
So why you about Hope and team personal?
You with Rense: Look first the ad's on this OU-site frontpage, thats Stefan choice and we only gast!
Why about Lindemann, Bedini, focus on your qualities also for our joy?

Take a look at this link:  http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/409-major-breakthrough-overunity-demonstrated (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/409-major-breakthrough-overunity-demonstrated)
Wise from Stefan: Lets see Jim and Paul, cop20 in Heat, would be nice for every! U2 good band!;-))

You see the title of the thread, "Major Breakthrough: Overunity Demonstrated."  There is a big problem Johan, the title of that thread is a LIE, even their own measurements show that it is a LIE.
Your complete and RIGHT in this!

But that is marketing always, if you smoke, you also can ride a horse, get awake and let them!

HD-Marketing: 100 years Know-How, blurp, the engine van the latest Harley V-Rod, is developed in Germany by Porsche, so maybe 100 years sleeping after steeling the Old Indian design's?

Don't give me any more of your crap where you attempt to impugn my character and impugn the character of others around here.
Would chance my attitude if I was you, if you talk about crap, than who is ................ ??

Loving you, really when your on point or line, so learn-full for me to, the side tracks are disgusting like Hot-Air self marketing.

Thanking every one for giving me, mine learn-full moments here, also the nicks, THANKS!

Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 03, 2014, 11:09:51 AM
After 1955's post I might have to start all over again. :P
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 03, 2014, 12:24:59 PM
Johann:

Are you aware of this:

http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html

Perhaps you can explain how people can legally offer for sale, that which they do not themselves possess.


A poster called Carl Cunningham made this collection of QEG quotes for Revolution-Green; I hope nobody minds my reproducing it here.

Quote
BEFORE:
--- QUOTE (HopeGirl on 02/20/2014) ---
Most of the entire research and development process is complete, the only thing we have left to do is the careful write up of the plans for opensourcing.
[...]
The instructions will be complete and correct. For the experienced engineer who should choose to follow them carefully they will produce a safe working product.
--- UNQUOTE ---
--- QUOTE (HopeGirl on 03/25/2014) ---
Our Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) provides 10KW of power output for less than 1KW input, which it supplies to itself.
[...]
We’ve open sourced a full set of instructions, user manual, schematics and parts list for any engineer to follow and reproduce the same results.
--- UNQUOTE ---
AFTER:
--- QUOTE (Sterling Allan interview on 04/03/2014) ---
Sterling Allan: Have you actually run it through an inverter and self-looped it yourself?
James Robitaille: No, we haven't done that yet. We didn't have the inverter.
--- UNQUOTE ---
--- QUOTE (James Robitaille on 05/08/2014) ---
Apparently some groups and individuals were expecting a completely finished product to be delivered into their hands, with nothing left to do. We have always said that as soon as we got the basic resonance from the machine, we would open source all the information we had, and that’s what we’ve done. The intent was to co-develop the machine in an open source platform [...].
--- UNQUOTE ---
Retroactively changing a story massively undermines credibility. Another example:
BEFORE:
--- QUOTE (HopeGirl on 01/27/2014) ---
The inventor of the QEG is my stepfather James Robitaille.
--- UNQUOTE ---
--- QUOTE (FTW QEG Consulting) ---
James Robitaille, the QEG inventor will be available for technical consulting [...].
--- UNQUOTE ---
AFTER:
--- QUOTE (Valerie Robitaille on 04/20/2014) ---
This is not Jamie's invention, this is only Jamie kicking the door open, so that people can have it. Because this company [WITTS] wouldn't do it any way that people could have it. If you wanna buy this generator from them, they charge you a 100,000 dollars. I know, it's really quite a price. So we're just trying to make it accessible, really. Jamie took one class with Sir Timothy Thrapp and they said that they were gonna give us all this information. They gave us a piece of paper drawn like, you know, a very juvenile drawing.
--- UNQUOTE ---
Another issue that upsetted many technically inclined people:
Why are there two completely different Tesla patents (No. 390,414, titled "Dynamo-Electric Machine", from 1888, and No. 511,916, titled "Electric Generator", from 1894) given in different places (the Fix-the-World website and the QEG manual) as the foundation for the QEG? A technical analysis of these patents show that both are ordinary electrical machines, which have nothing to do with free energy or overunity in general and (nearly) nothing with the QEG in particular. It is quite obvious that the QEG team searched for a suitable Tesla patent for marketing purposes *after* they came up with the QEG and had difficulties deciding which one to use, because they couldn't find a really appropriate one.
Concerning transparency:
--- QUOTE (HopeGirl on 06/15/2013) ---
At the Fix the World Organization, we are pioneering a new paradigm way of doing business. Part of this is complete transparency, and we wish to be the example that other organizations can follow.
--- UNQUOTE ---
--- QUOTE (HopeGirl on 09/10/2013) ---
To reiterate: transparency is key, and we continue to set all before you.
--- UNQUOTE ---
--- QUOTE (HopeGirl on 09/10/2013) ---
[W]e are presenting this information in a completely transparent manner. We are letting everyone know up front exactly what has been lined up. No more secrets.
--- UNQUOTE ---
The actual behaviour massively contradicts these promises. There is still nearly no technical information available about the original prototype and the Taiwanese QEG, and only very meager information about the Moroccan QEG. Especially the "Morocco QEG -- May 2014 Test and Measurement Report" was very disappointing in this regard.
--- QUOTE (HopeGirl on 05/25/2014) ---
We know you have been eagerly and excitedly waiting for data and here it is in template form.
--- UNQUOTE ---
This sentence is a contradiction in itself. It is equivalent to: "We know you have been eagerly and excitedly waiting for payment and here you have a piggybank."
--- QUOTE (James Robitaille on 05/08/2014) ---
How close are we to overunity? Well, here in Morocco, we are very close, within about 200 Watts (800 Watts out for 1000 Watts in at this point in development).
--- UNQUOTE ---
This corresponds to 80% efficiency. But the attached table contains only measurements with efficiencies around 35%. This is not transparency. This creates doubt and mistrust.
Probably the most problematic issue is the overunity claim based on the Dave Starbuck article and the corresponding video. As many competent people have already pointed out, the output power calculation used for the overunity claim is just plain wrong. All relevant scope readings are clearly visible at certain points of the video. The setup (as far as it is relevant for the measurement) is sufficiently known for those following the project for some time. The output power is calculated based on peak-to-peak values for voltage and current. This is a fundamental mistake, and makes no sense in any way.
To get to an even remotely accurate output power value (assuming neglectible phase shift, which seems appropriate based on the scope readings), it is neccessary to determine the RMS values for voltage and current. Assuming sine waveforms (which, again, seems appropriate based on the scope readings) the RMS values equal the respective peak-to-peak value divided by 2*squareroot(2). This is basic electrical engineering knowledge. Since voltage and current are multiplied afterwards to determine power, the resulting factor is (2*squareroot(2))^2 = 8. This means the alleged "overunity" output power value in the video is too high by a factor of 8. The actual, practically usable output power in the video equals 1900 W / 8 = about 238 W. At 655 W input power this is way underunity and corresponds to an efficiency of about 36%. This is a credible value, and remarkably similar to the values in the table published on May 10th.
The recently stated even higher power values ("..., 13,326, even 28,000 Watts") are seemingly measured in the primary tank circuit. This doesn't make sense. This is a single "energy packet" circulating between the coils and the capacitors. This isn't usable output power. Trying to take this power out (more than what is added at each oscillation -- which obviously corresponds approximately to what is available on the secondary side) will lead to a breakdown of resonance. It is absolutely irresponsible to publish such values without having ensured that this is actually available output power (which it isn't, as any practical attempt will prove).
Is the intense criticism really surprising?

(Thanks, Carl, for pulling all that together with the dates. )


Also, Johann ... was gibt es dann?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 03, 2014, 12:32:23 PM
As far as the "newb" label and that whole discussion.... I think the stimulus was when a poster, identified as a "newbie" due to low post count and recent join-up date, poked some fun at MarkE, who indeed is one of the most knowledgeable and evidently well-educated EE-type critical posters around.  Then Bill pointed out in his post that perhaps a newcomer might not be fully acquainted with MarkE's level of experience and qualifications. That's all there is to that. If MarkE isn't ruffled by someone calling him ignorant about EE topics when that's false, why should someone else get ruffled about being called a newbie when that's true?


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 03, 2014, 01:08:34 PM
I'm a very old noob. My membership dates back about 5 1/2 years.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 03, 2014, 01:25:19 PM
So perhaps the whole issue devolves down to the well-known lack of a "sarcasm" or "irony" tag. Since you clearly must be aware of MarkE's evident expertise through your long lurking. Unless your visits have just been infrequent until lately.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 03, 2014, 01:35:59 PM
In my opinion I think this is what happened. Did Jamie build a prototype? Yes. Did he measure power levels? Yes, but he used Peak-to-peak values by mistake and drew the wrong conclusion.  Did his prototype run for long? No. The Hopegirl train left the station and Jamie has been frantically trying to do In Taiwan and Morocco what he should have done at home with his prototype. This is evidenced buy comments like "this is not a low voltage device but A high voltage device" and the fact that they are now trying to draw the power out of the primary instead of the secondary.


Jamie clearly had very limited understanding of how his device really worked or of its characteristics. My posting at the be-do forum of the efficiency analysis (provided by @MileHigh and modified by me) did get noticed. They immediately started to reference rms voltage values. This put them in a box as they now new how bad the efficiency of this device really is, so in order to keep the gravy train going and not look like complete fools they switched to saying overunity in terms of VArs. I think it might be time for another carefully worded posting to knock this one down.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 03, 2014, 01:51:19 PM
Or perhaps just a simple demonstration. Does anyone have access to an induction furnace and a modern DSO? Take some measurements on the heating loop of a typical lab induction furnace and compare those to the "kill-o-watt" readings of the input power to the furnace.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 03, 2014, 02:01:24 PM
I agree with most of that assessment except for the wording:  "how his device really worked".  That is only because the device never did really work as claimed:  The device it is patterned after did not work at WITTS and the devices that JR has build have not worked anywhere the traveling troupe of cultists have gone no matter how many people his scamming daughter gets to hum together.

JR may have been a Dunning-Kruger example at one point.  I think he is fully into the scam now.  Either that or his step daughter has been secretly giving him concussions in his sleep.  Letting them in on little secrets like that they have to square and integrate their funky waveforms to get the Vrms and Irms values needed to calculate VAR may have little or no effect for several reasons:  They probably don't understand.  They probably couldn't figure out how to perform the task even if shown.  They aren't likely to admit that they should be doing something that they do not know how to do.  That is especially so if the suggestion that they need to do it comes from an "in the box" person:  IE anyone with technical competence.  Of course if they had the where with all to square and integrate the voltage and the current they could easily multiply them together first and integrate to get the real power.  Or they could do something sensible like rent a power analyzer.  Figuring out how to use one would keep them busy for months if not years.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 03, 2014, 02:01:43 PM
So perhaps the whole issue devolves down to the well-known lack of a "sarcasm" or "irony" tag. Since you clearly must be aware of MarkE's evident expertise through your long lurking. Unless your visits have just been infrequent until lately.

Yes. Brits are big into sarcasm. Much of British humor revolved around outrageous speech and insults. MarkE was choosing to not see that big picture and instead was nit picking. He somehow thought I was disagreeing with @MileHigh, when in fact I was not, but instead I was highlighting that the primary imperative of the power distribution network as mandated by law is to ensure grid voltage levels within set limits. I am familiar with your stuff and many others that post Youtube videos. I rarely comment. My main interest he, and the reason for getting involved in this discussion is that four or so weeks ago I had in-depth talks with another forum to build a crowd funded QEG - I actually live only a few miles from Terelco, I will not say any more. However, as things have progressed I'm not sure its worth the time spent.

As for lurking. To make meaningful comments you have to invest considerable time getting involved with a specific project. I rarely have that time. My last stint was the informous Mylow magnetic motor.

Angelic

I'm a big boy so do not get upset. MarkE did not take my comment personally, nor did I his, even though I have no idea what a wooden PFC is other than "power factor correction". He is clearly has a great deal of knowledge and experience as I do read his posts. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 03, 2014, 02:05:39 PM
A wooden PFC would not be very effective.  But who cares when it's organic?  Maybe Richard Weir of EESTOR infamy can make that his next project as his company even with the new parent should be broke in another quarter or two.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 03, 2014, 02:33:56 PM
I think membership status should not be solely based on the number of posts you make. There should be a time component also, else one is incentivated  to respond to everything. These forums would possibly have many few pages if that were the case. The QEG forum folks are poking fun at the fact that this forum is already so long!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on June 03, 2014, 02:34:34 PM
Johann:
Are you aware of this:
http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html (http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/ftw-qeg-consulting.html)
Perhaps you can explain how people can legally offer for sale, that which they do not themselves possess.
A poster called Carl Cunningham made this collection of QEG quotes for Revolution-Green; I hope nobody minds my reproducing it here.
(Thanks, Carl, for pulling all that together with the dates. )
Also, Johann ... was gibt es dann?

Hi x,

Basically very simple like: MicroSoft, Apple, .......... Merck, Bayer, Pfizer, after using is agreeing with the licence / user therms, your basically done in your rights!

Would be nice if we could study a copy of such a Hope-contract / agreement, below are sure some very small corps!

Not German but is OK, from NL and did escape, banditos!

Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Johan_1955 on June 03, 2014, 02:53:36 PM
The Leyden jar demonstration is very simple:  The charge and energy is stored across the dielectric of the beaker walls.  The conductive cups carry the charge in the external circuit.

Hi Mark,

Thanks and sorry, did miss your reply! Thats what we did learn in our prog. camps, meaning we to here in EU! Not knowing where you are!?

My idea feeling and only half prove out old books (Vedi), its more like the earth, core, sphere around, kind off cold plasma state on the suface of the sphere, ionosphere above. So thinking, would be nice if we could see the charged glass, between the cups but wider apart, if there is also a aura around? You any idea?

Sorry, for off topic!!

Regards, Johan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Artoj on June 03, 2014, 03:44:34 PM
I posted this originally on April 13, I figured now that they have proved themselves to be true scammers, here is my post on OU. Regards Arto.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Marshallin on June 03, 2014, 04:05:07 PM
Hi,

guys seriosly, so far i dont see any real test about QEG.
Lot of people here have laboratory grade eqipment at home and just flame here and argue about nothing.
Is realy so hard for you to make small scale replica and test it? Maybe it work maybe not.
But you cannot claim stuff until you realy test it.

Just think about it, vibrating laminted steel shout not produce so much electricity at all acording current physics !!!!
Can it produce more energy then consume? Who knows?

I am not telling that QEG "hope girl" team have full funcional OU device. Probably they are bunch of fakers. But still idea may be usable.

btw, i found new joke from them : https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-june-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v2-011.pdf

Regards
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 03, 2014, 04:16:30 PM
Hi Mark,

Thanks and sorry, did miss your reply! Thats what we did learn in our prog. camps, meaning we to here in EU! Not knowing where you are!?

My idea feeling and only half prove out old books (Vedi), its more like the earth, core, sphere around, kind off cold plasma state on the suface of the sphere, ionosphere above. So thinking, would be nice if we could see the charged glass, between the cups but wider apart, if there is also a aura around? You any idea?

Sorry, for off topic!!

Regards, Johan
The Pyrex beaker is safer to work with, but you can prove to yourself that the theory is correct by using a sheet of glass or plexiglass and sheet metal for the conductors.  You can do experiments where you use small squares (or any other shape) of metal to draw charge from or deposit charge onto localized areas of the sheet.   This sort of thing is routinely done in circuit boards that use exotic high capacitance dielectrics.  It is called singulation.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 03, 2014, 04:24:47 PM
Hi,

guys seriosly, so far i dont see any real test about QEG.
Lot of people here have laboratory grade eqipment at home and just flame here and argue about nothing.
Is realy so hard for you to make small scale replica and test it? Maybe it work maybe not.
But you cannot claim stuff until you realy test it.
No that is not true.  Many things can be analyzed adequately on the back of a napkin.  Others require more detailed analysis to resolve.  Few things require physical experiments to prove that the status quo is correct.  It is always the burden of those making an extraordinary claim to produce evidence commensurate to the claim.
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Just think about it, vibrating laminted steel shout not produce so much electricity at all acording current physics !!!!
Magnetostriction is well understood.  FTW have not shown any unusual behavior from magnetostriction.
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Can it produce more energy then consume? Who knows?
I do:  It doesn't.
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I am not telling that QEG "hope girl" team have full funcional OU device. Probably they are bunch of fakers. But still idea may be usable.
It isn't.
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btw, i found new joke from them : https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-june-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v2-011.pdf

Regards
that has been circulated.  It's crap.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Marshallin on June 03, 2014, 04:39:44 PM
No that is not true.  Many things can be analyzed adequately on the back of a napkin.  Others require more detailed analysis to resolve.  Few things require physical experiments to prove that the status quo is correct.  It is always the burden of those making an extraordinary claim to produce evidence commensurate to the claim.Magnetostriction is well understood.  FTW have not shown any unusual behavior from magnetostriction.I do:  It doesn't.It isn't.that has been circulated.  It's crap.

"Magnetostriction (cf. electrostriction) is a property of ferromagnetic materials that causes them to change their shape or dimensions during the process of magnetization." ....
Durning rotation core dont change shape.

You know? How? Looks like you just read somethnig somewhere .... between thnikning and knowing is big diference.
Again you claiming somethnig without any proof. You act absolutly same like "hope girl" team.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 03, 2014, 05:01:36 PM
"Magnetostriction (cf. electrostriction) is a property of ferromagnetic materials that causes them to change their shape or dimensions during the process of magnetization." ....
Durning rotation core dont change shape.
Magnetostriction also occurs in non ferromagnetic materials when they carry current perpendicular to a magnetic field.  There are any number of loudspeaker designs that capitalize on that fact.
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You know? How? Looks like you just read somethnig somewhere .... between thnikning and knowing is big diference.
I know.  Don't believe me?  Come up with evidence that I am wrong and that FTW's contraption can ever generate surplus energy.
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Again you claiming somethnig without any proof. You act absolutly same like "hope girl" team.
You are victimizing yourself with the fallacy that the known and ordinary are equally likely as the unknown and extraordinary.  Our vast experience that has led to the formulation of First Principles tells us that there is no energy surplus to be had.  That has been confirmed with countless experiments on other machines and FTW's experiments on their own contraptions.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 03, 2014, 06:33:14 PM
"Magnetostriction (cf. electrostriction) is a property of ferromagnetic materials that causes them to change their shape or dimensions during the process of magnetization." ....
Durning rotation core dont change shape.

You know? How? Looks like you just read somethnig somewhere .... between thnikning and knowing is big diference.
Again you claiming somethnig without any proof. You act absolutly same like "hope girl" team.

At the point of resonance a large amount of energy is built up in the primary tank circuit, leading to strong magnetic fields being generated. As already mentioned this gives rise to two things. Magetostrictive forces and Mageto-motive forces. Since this is a variable reluctance device I suspect that the Mageto-motive forces are quite large coursing significant movement of the core laminations. The QEG appears to experience considerable vibration at resonance which kind of supports this idea. The QEG is a very heavy piece of gear and a lot of energy is going into those vibrations, perhaps several hundred Watts or so. We do see the input power jump up at resonance.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetomotive_force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetomotive_force) for the equations.

 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on June 03, 2014, 08:48:35 PM
News from HopeGirl about Trolls and Debunkers:
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: conradelektro on June 03, 2014, 09:00:10 PM
News from HopeGirl about Trolls and Debunkers:
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/)

It would be very easy to silence Trolls and Debunkers: just show good measurements and let some one else repeat the mesurements on a working machine.

But that never seems to be possible, we get hot air insted.

The hall mark of a scam is "words instead of measurements". We see it several times per year. And always, some followers show up and want to believe no matter what.

Greetings, Conrad
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 03, 2014, 09:25:20 PM
News from HopeGirl about Trolls and Debunkers:
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/)

That is truly hilarious. It also indicates that the curtain is beginning to lift, the Emperor is being questioned about his invisible wardrobe... and it repeats the same old tired arguments about "trolls".

What is never explained in these standard apologetics is just how "trolls" posting from, say, the USA and Australia, on an internet forum hosted in Germany, can possibly prevent people in California, Taiwan, Canada, Morocco and London from successfully constructing a working QEG from the plans and "advice" given by the QEGers.  This is certainly some kind of weird psychic power we must possess, turning "working prototypes that run for 150 hours" into a non-self-looping doorstop just by making a few internet posts.

Perhaps the real TROLLS are those who make false claims of extraordinary performance, who misuse expensive test equipment by studiously AVOIDING using its built in math and measurement capabilities, who start and then abandon "Free Energy" builds around the world, who censor, insult and misrepresent the work of others and who blatantly lie about what Tesla did and what he believed.

Oh... and who fail miserably to produce evidence for their claims. They claimed already to have fully developed this SELF RUNNING OVERUNITY GENERATOR... but of course that was a lie. They claim that the Plans they have released will allow anyone with a Good Heart to build such a WORKING device.... and that is also a lie, as James Robitaille himself proves each and every day. Or is it that Jimbo himself doesn't have a pure enough heart?

HypeGirl's post earns a ROFL, for sure.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 03, 2014, 10:57:35 PM
Messages such as the latest from Fraud Girl are common among charlatans.  Believers are told that they are the victims of an external plot and so need to band together under the guidance of the leadership.  Such techniques can be very effective.

Fraud Girl is particularly unhappy that a former member of their ranks is supposedly speaking against them.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 03, 2014, 11:38:52 PM
News from HopeGirl about Trolls and Debunkers:
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/)
I think they are going to claim persecution and quietly disappear from the scene, writing is on the wall based on this posting.

If one of their donors complains I wonder if this would be considered mail fraud? I might be a bit worried if I were them. Meanwhile South African seems to be going hot and heavy. Anyone seen "I got resonance" yet from these guys. This seems to be the last thing we hear before they realized they have been duped having just spent ten grand on worthless parts.

https://www.facebook.com/qegsouthafrica (https://www.facebook.com/qegsouthafrica)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 03, 2014, 11:46:52 PM
Messages such as the latest from Fraud Girl are common among charlatans.  Believers are told that they are the victims of an external plot and so need to band together under the guidance of the leadership.  Such techniques can be very effective.

Fraud Girl is particularly unhappy that a former member of their ranks is supposedly speaking against them.

MarkE who is this person? Perhaps you can PM me if you do not want to say publicly, I assume that's possible on this forum.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 04, 2014, 12:17:28 AM
Some folks here might find of this earlier request for money interesting:

http://cultureofawareness.com/2013/07/20/hopegirl-urgent-plea-for-help/ (http://cultureofawareness.com/2013/07/20/hopegirl-urgent-plea-for-help/)

She has been at this for some time:

http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/we-did-it-power-to-the-people-free-energy-is-on-the-way/ (http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/we-did-it-power-to-the-people-free-energy-is-on-the-way/)   15 KW generator not the QEG. What ever happened to this one?

Shame she did not bother to get an engineering degree, but that would have gotten in the way anyway.

Whow this really is a subculture thing looking at the myriad of posting and videos. She certainly has a real talent for promotion! I also suspect she is beating Jamie with a stick to make the bloody thing work. "don't you know my reputation is on the line god dammit!" He was looking a bit stressed in the latest photos. Oh know I'm a troll!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Acca on June 04, 2014, 12:31:53 AM
 Here is my response to the QEG.. and it’s now a public forum.. Thanks !!
 
Tinsel Koala…this one is for the best response..
 
Kudos to you !!  BTW this is my clip...below..

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R2-lFtJOmU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R2-lFtJOmU)
 
and a Tesla AC motor.. below..
 
Acca..
 
And now for some fun !! below !!
 
Note about magnetostrictive terfenol-D steel and Garfenol steel…
 
New magnetostrictive material captures minute amounts of energy from vibrations and other physical phenomena to make possible new kinds of energy-harvesting schemes
 
 
Galfenol energy-harvester designs also have magnetic considerations. Galfenol needs a permanent magnet to supply magnetic bias and, in so doing, maximize changes in flux density. Other components which make up the magnetic circuit include high-flux-density magnetic return paths and air gaps. The goal is to maximize the changing magnetic flux in the Galfenol, so designers should minimize air gaps and pay particular attention to the overall efficiency of the magnetic circuit.
The changing magnetic flux is converted to useful electrical energy via a wire-wound coil. Voltage induced in a coil from a changing flux density is given by Faraday’s law:
 
http://machinedesign.com/news/designing-galfenol (http://machinedesign.com/news/designing-galfenol)
 
 
Tunable magnetoelectric resonance devices
 
http://iopscience.iop.org/0022-3727/42/12/122001/fulltext/ (http://iopscience.iop.org/0022-3727/42/12/122001/fulltext/)
 
 
http://www.jonasr.com/terfenol-d.html (http://www.jonasr.com/terfenol-d.html)
sound of megnetoelectric resonance speakers driven by “TERFENOL-D”
http://www.jonasr.com/music/bortgangexcerpt.mp3 (http://www.jonasr.com/music/bortgangexcerpt.mp3)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 04, 2014, 12:59:50 AM
Well if we are going to dig down low one can say that there is a "free energy cottage industry" and there are the "supporters of the free energy cottage industry" and that means there is a big annual revenue pie out there and you can compete for it too!  Whether it be selling DVDs or hosting conferences or crowd funding or you are Mr. Queue-Moe-Gen in Moldavia.  I suppose that you could widen the definition and throw in the "magic pills and magic devices and magic water" industry and include the magnetic wristband people and ilk like that.

If you want to be cynical, you rationalize that all that you have to do is make a pitch, and if you are skilled and lucky then you might get your slice of the annual revenue pie for this year.

Seeing that older blogpost from HopeGirl where she is begging people to pay her rent and her cell phone bill is gross.  To me that is glorified panhandling.  So it's possible, or it would seem, that HopeGirl has been "playing the field" to tap into the supporters of the free energy cottage industry.  You make a pitch and hope for a score.

Now she is attempting to demonize myself and others that are just commenting on what's going on, just ordinary people surfing the net and looking at the pitches.  The Fix the World gang make it so easy to point out the fallacy of what's going on.

The "technical group" at FTW is between a rock and a hard place also.  Fortunately, in this realm, if you don't know your stuff then you are going to be outed by people that do know their stuff.  Like I stated before, it's like people that are just learning a new language.  It only takes a few seconds when you speak to someone to quickly realize that their English skills are limited.  Hence James Robitaille quickly falling from "technical grace" by presenting his data and findings.  Rick Friedrich of the Bee-Deenie crowd fell from "technical grace" like a stone several years ago when I watched one or two of his clips.

That's the way the cookie crumbles.

To the QEG builders and the Be-Do forum enthusiasts:  You have to realize that the majority of the people discussing the QEG and the promoters of the QEG on this thread are just real, normal people.  For many of you, your gut instinct surely must be telling you this.  The rant from HopeGirl is nonsense.  That's just the way it is.   Many of you have spent time and money on this, sorry, but it's just not so.  You have built a laughable generator that produces more thermal heat energy than it produces useful electrical output.  The entire project is bogus.  Don't be enslaved by the peer pressure of the rabid believers.  Speak your mind.  Shake off the Orwellian overtones that are coming from within your own peer group.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 04, 2014, 01:45:09 AM
Here is a great technical posting from Simon Derricutt from Revolution-Green:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

Reference https://hopegirl2012.files.wor... (https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-june-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v2-011.pdf) here are some back-of-envelope calculations.With the measured 7kV peak voltage (half the pk-pk) the energy stored in the primary coil/capacitor would be 0.5CV² and thus around 4.09J. We're feeding it somewhat less than 600J/s. I don't know the efficiency here, but given overall efficiency of less than 40% we could estimate this feed rate of somewhere around 240J/s. We can thus get oscillation built up in around 1/60 second. If we take that 4J or so out, then the oscillation is stopped and will need to be rebuilt. Given that the primary is oscillating at about 168.4Hz, we can get the energy out of it in about 1/4 cycle or 1/674 of a second or 1.48ms. 4.09J in 1.48ms is a rate of 2755W.
That 2.8kW rate James is quoting is therefore just about right here, but he's missing something. It's only 2.8kW or so for a fraction of the time, with the rest of the time the oscillations having to rebuild and to restore the energy in the oscillations. Over 1 second he's only getting that 240J out, since he can only pull around 4J 60 times in a second.
In reality, we won't actually be building the oscillation energy to a peak and then taking all of it at once, and instead a small percentage will be taken out of each cycle. Because of the energy storage, though, the peak rate of 2.8kW could be achieved. It just can't be sustained, since if you try that you don't build up the energy. A standard photographic flash-gun can take in mW of power and output a few kW, but still won't output more joules than is put into it.
Note that the 240J, and thus the 2.8kW, are only a rough estimate, and the real figures could be double or half this quite easily. It won't however be more than the 607Wrms he's feeding in.
I don't think James or FTW will accept this calculation, and will continue to think that they can pull out more than they put in. It will however become obvious when the transverter fails to do what they say it will.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 04, 2014, 02:01:09 AM
As far as the "newb" label and that whole discussion.... I think the stimulus was when a poster, identified as a "newbie" due to low post count and recent join-up date, poked some fun at MarkE, who indeed is one of the most knowledgeable and evidently well-educated EE-type critical posters around.  Then Bill pointed out in his post that perhaps a newcomer might not be fully acquainted with MarkE's level of experience and qualifications. That's all there is to that. If MarkE isn't ruffled by someone calling him ignorant about EE topics when that's false, why should someone else get ruffled about being called a newbie when that's true?

Bingo!  100% correct and totally right on.  EXACTLY what I meant.  I have nothing to add to your words TK as this was almost word for word my response.

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 04, 2014, 02:11:22 AM
News from HopeGirl about Trolls and Debunkers:
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/)

Geeze, now she will have to beg...umm...I mean ask for even MORE money so they can continue their work in spite of the trolls.  As we all know, trolls can cost you tens of thousands of dollars.  Heck, just one person posting that they do not think the device works can cost maybe $50,000?  One troll can undo the expertise of 5,000 Chinese engineers in less time then it took me to write this.  Folks are going to really have to ante up now.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 04, 2014, 02:17:32 AM
PCB
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Whow this really is a subculture thing looking at the myriad of posting and videos. She certainly has a real talent for promotion! I also suspect she is beating Jamie with a stick to make the bloody thing work. "don't you know my reputation is on the line god dammit!" He was looking a bit stressed in the latest photos. Oh know I'm a troll!

Below a quote from Hope Girl which says to me that I have found someone who can easily be used because they have a good heart.
 
First, we have found the perfect, trusted inventor who’s heart is in the right place. He has 30 years of experience in technology developments, and has won awards and recognition for his work. In his spare time he is creating free energy devices in his garage. His intentions are pure, he has been fully vetted by the Fix the World Screening process. He is also a highly awakened being, who understands the corruption and has a deep compassion for the suffering people of this planet. He has a technical, mechanical brain that is wired like none other I’ve ever seen before. He thinks, speaks, acts and breathes the mechanics of energy devices. In his own meditations he’s received a special understanding or “download” that has given him the knowledge necessary to create a quantum generator that will create its own power without sun, wind, water or fuel.  He wants to create this generator so he can give it to the people.



Below another quote from Hope that says to me that she is going to run this show and it finances.


For me, I wish to get behind the wheel of the vehicle of finance in its enlightened form

Below and this quote shows that yes she is very talented and capable of spinning this any way that she wants.

I have experience in Corporate Finance, Government Administration and Management, Human Resources, Payroll, Project Management and Small Business Management. I hold an MBA in Human Resources Administration, I have also gone through Wall Street Training for Financial Modeling and Project Management Institute coursework.

Given my experiences in the professional world, I’ve learned a lot about how the old ways of doing business are harmful to humanity and the planet. I created the New Paradigm Business Model as a way to help change this. Ending financial suffering and helping others to help themselves live abundance thriving lives is my passion that created the Fix the World Organization



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 04, 2014, 02:48:04 AM
MarkE who is this person? Perhaps you can PM me if you do not want to say publicly, I assume that's possible on this forum.
Fraud Girl has not named the person.  She complained bitterly about them in the cited blather.

Quote
There are forums that are run by self-proclaimed free energy experts. One of these individuals attended a QEG build and offered to help the project. They arrived at the build, slept most of the time, showed erratic behavior, provoked arguments and stole public QEG money from the project. This person publically claims to be on the FTW QEG team and is now running a forum that is trying to discredit the QEG. On one given  day we will get communications from them stating that they will “make the QEG family’s lives a living hell”, and then on the next day we get love notes from them.  It has been discovered that this individual suffers from a severe form of mental illness.

...

Likewise, one of the original QEG prototype designers is engaging in similar behavior towards FTW. It is like a War of the Currents all over again, only this time it’s on the Internet.

...




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 04, 2014, 02:51:15 AM
Some folks here might find of this earlier request for money interesting:

http://cultureofawareness.com/2013/07/20/hopegirl-urgent-plea-for-help/ (http://cultureofawareness.com/2013/07/20/hopegirl-urgent-plea-for-help/)

She has been at this for some time:

http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/we-did-it-power-to-the-people-free-energy-is-on-the-way/ (http://2012thebigpicture.wordpress.com/2013/09/11/we-did-it-power-to-the-people-free-energy-is-on-the-way/)   15 KW generator not the QEG. What ever happened to this one?

Shame she did not bother to get an engineering degree, but that would have gotten in the way anyway.

Whow this really is a subculture thing looking at the myriad of posting and videos. She certainly has a real talent for promotion! I also suspect she is beating Jamie with a stick to make the bloody thing work. "don't you know my reputation is on the line god dammit!" He was looking a bit stressed in the latest photos. Oh know I'm a troll!
Well as you may or may not be aware SEGs are subject to spontaneous launches into deep space as well as seizure by the evil Powers That Be.  Just ask John Searl!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 04, 2014, 03:45:52 AM
Bingo!  100% correct and totally right on.  EXACTLY what I meant.  I have nothing to add to your words TK as this was almost word for word my response.

Thanks,

Bill
After 5 1/2 years as a noob I just got promoted to Jr. Member. Celebrating with a beer. Obviously got the posting bug which will be surely be cured when the QEG dies its eventual death.

@MileHigh

Nice find! I highlighted this issue several pages ago (though not as thoroughly), but this is at least scripted in terms of some calcs. With effort you can probably calculate where all the input energy is going given some of the other areas of loss previously identified.

When the QEG gig crashes and burns hop Girl we simply glum onto the next free energy invention. This could be a real business opportunity for a talented and motivated builder here from  this forum. It does not have to actually work, just spin some electrons. You know you will have the support of this forum until the trolls wake up and beat you with the club of truth.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 04, 2014, 04:25:48 AM
After 5 1/2 years as a noob I just got promoted to Jr. Member. Celebrating with a beer. Obviously got the posting bug which will be surely be cured when the QEG dies its eventual death.

@MileHigh

Nice find! I highlighted this issue several pages ago (though not as thoroughly), but this is at least scripted in terms of some calcs. With effort you can probably calculate where all the input energy is going given some of the other areas of loss previously identified.

When the QEG gig crashes and burns hop Girl we simply glum onto the next free energy invention. This could be a real business opportunity for a talented and motivated builder here from  this forum. It does not have to actually work, just spin some electrons. You know you will have the support of this forum until the trolls wake up and beat you with the club of truth.

Congratulations on the promotion.  I meant no offense other than to attempt to point out (as TK so eloquently put it) that Mark, aside from being very well educated in the electronics field, has been very helpful here and shares his knowledge freely with us. 

If you had just appeared on the scene and did not know this, it would be understandable.  There are a lot of these smart guys here who, over the years, have busted and exposed many frauds in the OU field.  Some folks do not like the truth....others can't handle the truth but, I have never seen any of these smart guys do anything but attempt to explain electronics, proper testing procedures and expose scams.  These scams hurt all of us interested in energy research.  I too, was once a "newbie" here and I surely did not intend to cast dispersions on all newbies.  I have no idea what the hell that other fellow was going off about.

I have learned a lot from these fellows over the years and I am grateful that they share their knowledge with us.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on June 04, 2014, 04:39:33 AM
If one of their donors complains I wonder if this would be considered mail fraud? I might be a bit worried if I were them.

I hope their donors are not smart enough to use google, or they might find

http://www.ip-adress.com/whois/fixtheworldproject.net




But, on a positive note, they could also stumble across this

http://www.stik.com/p/financial+planning/massachusetts.salem/p/naima.feagin

which yields :
"I cannot say enough good things about my beloved wife - she is one of the hardest workers I know, quite intelligent and very qualified in financial analysis."


followed by a facebook link to the above person which reveals someone into wearing skirts and thigh length leather boots. (pictures 1, 3, 7 and 8 of 8)  :o
Not that there is anything wrong with that.
But good for a chuckle nonetheless.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 04, 2014, 05:24:21 AM
You assume that there might be idealistic QEG newbies lurking here and they might not have a sense of scale.  Some emo chicks with blue hair!  lol

We just learned from Simon Derricutt that there are about 4 joules of energy circulating in the primary resonant tank circuit.  All that impressive sounding high voltage and there are four measly joules.  What does that mean?

If you had a standard 1/4 watt resistor between your thumb and forefinger, and 4 joules of energy went into the resistor in a one-half second pulse, you might just feel a brief warming sensation for a second.  Then the 4 joules would then be gone.

How about a humble carbon-zinc AA battery, how many joules in it?   The answer is about 1270 joules.

http://www.allaboutbatteries.com/Energy-tables.html (http://www.allaboutbatteries.com/Energy-tables.html)

So it seems impressive, with all that high voltage and the "limbo" inductor, but the amount of energy circulating in the LC tank is actually very small.

Think about that in the context of the claimed 10 kilowatt output.  10 kilowatts is 10,000 joules per second, every second continuously.

What's the frequency of the LC resonator?  A few hundred hertz?  4 joules in the resonator bouncing back and forth a few hundred times every second and there is a claimed output of 10,000 joules per second.

The numbers I quoted above don't compute.  I just named a few data points to give you a sense of perspective.

Here is the perspective you should be thinking about:  600 watts in, a measly 4 joules circulating in the LC tank, and let's be generous and say 300 watts out electrical, and 300 watts out of heat.

In very abstract terms (for the artistically inclined), if you can imagine the flow of power being like a flowing river, you start off with one main flow.  The main flow is the source.  You see the water flowing by and that represents the flow of power.  The river splits into two big branches, the "Red River Heat" and the "Blue River Electro."   So where is the LC resonator in this scheme of things?  The LC resonator is like a tiny permanent whirlpool at the river junction.  Most of the river water flows past the tiny whirlpool and doesn't even take notice.

Somehow, that little whirlpool along with "something" is supposed to create a new river flow that's 10 times the size of the existing river and it's two tributaries.  You need Cecil B. DeMille to make that happen, but those days are gone!  It's all CGI nowadays - not real.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 04, 2014, 05:59:18 AM
http://www.gofundme.com/phase3qeg
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 04, 2014, 07:35:23 AM
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FTW has freely created this video with the QEG engineering artist James Robitaille exemplifying how overunity is measured in the QEG. The cost of the equipment needed to test the power in the QEG core and provide these measurements and the accompanying report would be nearly $75,000, and was lovingly lent to the project so that we could show these measurements freely to the people.

ORLY? Seventy five thousand dollars? Come, let us do a bit of research.

The most expensive item of test kit they have is the Tek TDS3054 digital oscilloscope. These are available on the used market for between 5 and 7 thousand dollars. Fully refurbished with current NIST-traceable calibration, including passive probes, for under 12,000.

The 1000:1 high voltage probe is probably next on the "cost" list. This item comes in at just under 2 thousand dollars.

The Stangenes 10:1 current transformer .... I can't find the exact cost of that item with a casual search but others of the same kind by other manufacturers are under 200 dollars... some "well under" like 35 dollars.

The Kill-a-Watt meter is under 100 dollars.

Did I leave anything out? Oh...yes.... sorry. Six 100 Watt light bulbs...... a dollar each.


No matter how I add those items up I don't get anywhere near 75,000 dollars. Maybe I should be using peak-to-peak values.....

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 04, 2014, 09:43:15 AM
No matter how I add those items up I don't get anywhere near 75,000 dollars. Maybe I should be using peak-to-peak values.....

Haha, whats the RMS of 75,000 dollars peak to peak ?

We have Artists and Engineers here, but do we have any Engineering Artists ?

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 04, 2014, 10:11:03 AM
Haha, whats the RMS of 75,000 dollars peak to peak ?

We have Artists and Engineers here, but do we have any Engineering Artists ?

..
$600,000.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 05, 2014, 12:55:53 AM
HopeGirl speaks!

http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG

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For those that are contemplating a donation, the time is now, see with your heart the intention behind this movement and lend it your support. I know there can be some doubts when the QEG is not completely proven itself yet but what is needed now is momentum.. Even if the QEG doesn't work as originally intended this momentum will help us to see that free energy is given to the people, where it rightfully belongs.

You said that it worked months ago HopeGirl.  Now that there is doubt, the burden is on you and Jamie to really prove it to the believers.  When you can't prove it you should stop all funding and every single PayPal account or other funding mechanism that you are using to finance this road show should be suspended by you personally.  Whatever money you have left over should be given back proportionally to all the people.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cisco on June 05, 2014, 02:10:59 AM
HopeGirl speaks!

http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG (http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG)


"For those that are contemplating a donation, the [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important][size=16px !important]time is now[/color], see with your heart the intention behind this movement and lend it your support. I know there can be some doubts when the QEG is not completely proven itself yet but what is needed now is momentum.. Even if the QEG doesn't work as originally intended this momentum will help us to see that [color=rgb(27, 142, 222) !important][size=16px !important]free energy[/color][/size] is given to the people, where it rightfully belongs."[/font][/size]

The wheels of contemplation are grinding loudly--no, wait, now we hear sirens. Don't worry about the doubts, they will resolve to certainty, but not the kind you were "hoping" for. [/size]
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 05, 2014, 04:43:49 AM
HopeGirl speaks!

http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG (http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG)

You said that it worked months ago HopeGirl.  Now that there is doubt, the burden is on you and Jamie to really prove it to the believers.  When you can't prove it you should stop all funding and every single PayPal account or other funding mechanism that you are using to finance this road show should be suspended by you personally.  Whatever money you have left over should be given back proportionally to all the people.

MileHigh

I agree totally but, I'll bet she does not do it.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 05, 2014, 06:13:58 AM
And just for fun, let's look at the WITTS whackadoo roots to this whole deal...

http://peswiki.com/index.php/Free_Energy_Blog:2014:06:01#WITTS_Issues_QEG_Danger_Caution

Apparently below is from the WITTS web page.  It seems the WITS boys are miffed that HopeGirl created a revenue stream from their useless hunk of iron and wire.

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This QEG interacts with quantum energy factors in the local environment and can have effects on people in the immediate vicinity up to about 50m away. Effects can be catastrophic. One builder has already suffered massive tissue damage from a high voltage, high current, low frequency, electrical arc that struck without warning from one of the QEGs. In other cases, fires have erupted spontaneously in other electrical circuits (that are not even connected physically) when it has been in an unbalanced state – the actual tuning and balancing of which can take weeks and which the ‘Fix The World’ group does not appear to appreciate. Other effects are less catastrophic, but still concerning. For example, anything containing microcircuits in the immediate vicinity, can be rendered inoperative. Permanently. It is also possible for people who are exposed to unbalanced QE fields, to become contaminated to the point that wherever they go, they will cause failures in electrical devices in their immediate vicinity – including the computers in cars that they travel in. ALL FREE ENERGY DEVICES – INCLUDING OTHERS NOT ON THIS SITE – HAVE DETRIMENTAL EFFECTS ON ELECTRONICS AND ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS AROUND THEM."

Ha ha ha ha ha....  I saw that Star Trek episode too.

The poor WITTS boys have <<revenue envy>> and they are not happy campers so they are firing a whackadoo shot across the bow at HopeGirl.

It's always amusing when the crackpots allege what the other crackpots are doing is crackpot.  However, in my opinion, both parties in this case are not crackpots.  Rather, they both are just pantomime actors on a stage fighting for free money.  The real goal is to not have to work in a conventional sense.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 05, 2014, 06:28:42 AM
If you have not already seen.
http://libraryofalexandria1979.wordpress.com/2014/04/16/the-depths-of-the-new-age-deception-co-opted-awareness/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 05, 2014, 06:46:44 AM
Thanks MH,
I knew that the QEG was infectious. But now I see how it may be transmitted to others. Oh My God it might become an epidemic for which there is no cure. May be Witts should be contacting the CDC to see if they could stop them from  re-entering the US. Or may be the president to send a Seal Team to bring them back so that this technology does not fall into the hands of our enemies. I can't stand this nonsense anymore! 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 05, 2014, 12:42:19 PM
Hot off the press:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/cottage-industry-community-units-cicu/427-the-amazing-story-of-the-qeg-build-in-morocco (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/cottage-industry-community-units-cicu/427-the-amazing-story-of-the-qeg-build-in-morocco)

Included among the talented present were "alchemists". What!! Also, "everyone in Aouchtam Morocco who came for the build witnessed the QEG reaching resonance". So not a total waste of time, money and effort. Tank circuits are such wonderful things aren't they! So under appreciated for their people power effects, radiating calming good feelings.

"I am sat on a balcony in a quaint little village in England surrounded by exquisite greenery. The birds are chirping and on the lawn in front I can see momma horse and her little baby playing joyfully. I am feeling truly blessed that I have been invited here. Hope and her mum Val are sat to my behind in the living room working on a list of articles, uploads and data that needs to be released so that you are all up to date." Life is always good when you have a little money! I bet these guys simply can not stop smiling to themselves and breaking out into fits of spontaneous laughter -- "Can you really believe what we are pulling off here" hope says to her mum over some scones and clotted cream.

Sorry I have to stop writing here I just vomited.

"And guess what…………WE REACHED OVERUNITY!!!!! On 17th May 2014 in Morocco they reached 6 times overunity, which basically meant that the machine was capable of putting out six times more than than that which was coming in, and this figure has now risen to 33 times overunity!!!!Thus FREE ENERGY IS HERE! I’m no techy but I know what the implications of this are, and I understand that the engineers are now going to have to acknowledge quantum physics in a big way!" Sorry have to vomit again!

They need to be careful in the UK, they still actually have mental asylums there.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 05, 2014, 01:08:04 PM
The way it was written:
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In a historical event unlike any other, a free energy device was crowdfunded and open sourced. Then one was donated to an impoverished village in Morocco. The Morocco QEG build was made open to the public with an invitation to anyone who was interested to come and learn how to build a QEG. Close to 80 people from 24 different countries showed up in the little village of Aouchtam Morocco for this unique event which was hosted thanks to the hard work of some of our best friends and fellow truth movement bloggers. Those attending where some of the highest caliber engineers and physicists on the planet. This is what happens when you open source and give away technology! Below is a beautiful recalling of the experience of the QEG in Morocco written by our friend and future blogger Mel B. It begins here in England where the FTW family is busy preparing for our next build and 3rd phase completion of the project. Thank you Mel for capturing the true essence of the miracles that unfolded in Morocco during this unprecedented time in our human history!

-Hope

After decoding the Fraud Girl Speak:


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In a historical event unlike any other, a non-working free energy device was crowdfunded and open sourced. Then rather than pay shipping or disposal fees, we foisted the junk on an impoverished village in Morocco. Now they have a resonant boat anchor!  The Morocco QEG build was made open to the public with an invitation to anyone who was interested to come and learn how to place money in our collection basket and build a boat anchor of their own. Close to 80 people from 24 different countries showed up in the little village of Aouchtam Morocco for this unique event which was hosted thanks to the hard work of some of our best friends and fellow truth movement bloggers, otherwise known as gullible donors. Those attending where some of the highest caliber engineers and physicists on the planet who have ever suffered massive head trauma. This is what happens when you open source and give away technology in a back alley! Below is a beautiful recalling of the experience of the QEG in Morocco written by our friend and future electroshock patient Mel B. It begins here in England where the FTW family is busy preparing for our next build and 3rd phase of filling our travel coffers. Thank you Mel for capturing the true essence of the community spirit that unfolded in Morocco: donors folded their money and we unfolded it!

-Hoping to Take Your Cash for My Stash Girl

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 05, 2014, 02:04:22 PM
The "QEG Morocco Overunity" clip on the Be-Do YouTube channel is where there was a lively small debate in the comments section where the values were converted into RMS values and it was proven that in fact the QEG was under unity and the performance was very poor.  This clip is the same clip that HopeGirl released on her YouTube channel with comments disabled.

All of the comments have been deleted and comments are now disabled on the Be-Do clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 05, 2014, 02:45:18 PM
The "QEG Morocco Overunity" clip on the Be-Do YouTube channel is where there was a lively small debate in the comments section where the values were converted into RMS values and it was proven that in fact the QEG was under unity and the performance was very poor.  This clip is the same clip that HopeGirl released on her YouTube channel with comments disabled.

All of the comments have been deleted and comments are now disabled on the Be-Do clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0)


Interesting, Jamie I think points out that these are peak values, I hear the word rms spoken but rest is garbled. He goes on to say it's putting more power out than yesterday, then later some guy shouts "overunity, overunity" and Jamie's response is ya! (said in a away that translated says what the f*uck are you talking about). He fiddles with the scope to presumably measure the power output so he knows that his machine is working at around 38% efficiency. I think Jamie is not one of those guys that will ever correct you no matter what you say. Am I being too kind here?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 05, 2014, 03:16:59 PM
The "QEG Morocco Overunity" clip on the Be-Do YouTube channel is where there was a lively small debate in the comments section where the values were converted into RMS values and it was proven that in fact the QEG was under unity and the performance was very poor.  This clip is the same clip that HopeGirl released on her YouTube channel with comments disabled.

All of the comments have been deleted and comments are now disabled on the Be-Do clip.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwgkCweVpt0
The word for that is:  scienter.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 05, 2014, 03:21:04 PM

Interesting, Jamie I think points out that these are peak values, I hear the word rms spoken but rest is garbled. He goes on to say it's putting more power out than yesterday, then later some guy shouts "overunity, overunity" and Jamie's response is ya! (said in a away that translated says what the f*uck are you talking about). He fiddles with the scope to presumably measure the power output so he knows that his machine is working at around 38% efficiency. I think Jamie is not one of those guys that will ever correct you no matter what you say. Am I being too kind here?
Yes, I think you are being way too kind.   At this point:  James knows that his step daughter has been telling whopper lies for months.  Despite that, he has decided to continue to participate in this charade.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Shanti on June 05, 2014, 05:38:32 PM
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James knows that his step daughter has been telling whopper lies for months.  Despite that, he has decided to continue to participate in this charade.

I think that could probably be the one reason, why he continues. His daughter is way too much involved, and maybe he tries to protect her by playing along...not realizing that this makes the whole story getting worse and worse....

Or he really tries hard to believe in his daughter, although everything shows him the contrary and he's losing faith all along...But it is his daughter, so he really tries...still clinging to the hope, that maybe a fairy is coming along granting him his wishes...

I could also imagine, than when he built his first QEG setup, and showing the results to his daughter, that she wrongly interpreted them being happy for OU and he didn't wanna inlfuence negatively her enthusiasm. And then everything took an uncontrolled way, by her ambitious character...

Who knows...one could imagine many things...

But I have serious doubts, that James would continue if Scamgirl wasn't his step-daughter...

Edit:
To me it looks, as if he doesn't seem to be very happy with the current situation. Well would you, if you would have to fiddle all day on that damn QEG with no sign of any real progress???

But maybe Scamgirl is really that ignorant not understanding any electronics and so still really believing they really got something. And noone in the "inner circle" has the courage to tell her the truth?
Cognitive dissonance can be quite powerful. Maybe powerful  enough to power a QEG?  ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on June 05, 2014, 05:58:27 PM
...But it is his daughter, so he really tries...still clinging to the hope, that maybe a fairy is coming along granting him his wishes...


Let us hope so
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on June 05, 2014, 10:49:00 PM
Got it as you wish

Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 06, 2014, 12:09:58 AM
PIH123:

I reluctantly looked and I did not see anything disconcerting about Bill Feagin.  He wore a kilt?  So what?  It's totally inappropriate on your part to do things like that.  Bill seems like a perfectly decent guy from looking at the pictures.  More importantly, Bill Feagin and his thoughts and activities aren't relevant to the QEG.

Stivep:

Daly and all those Akula projects have nothing to do with the QEG.  If you think that stuff is real then please post it along with the proof that it's real on an appropriate thread.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on June 06, 2014, 12:34:16 AM
PIH123:

I reluctantly looked and I did not see anything disconcerting about Bill Feagin.  He wore a kilt?  So what?  It's totally inappropriate on your part to do things like that.  Bill seems like a perfectly decent guy from looking at the pictures.  More importantly, Bill Feagin and his thoughts and activities aren't relevant to the QEG.


Apologies

I have edited the previous comment.

 
But in that case, speaking as a true celt from the north of the country, I am insulted that the person chose to wear calf length leather boots with his prticular brand of kilt.
He probably has undies on too  ::)

Sacrelige !!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 06, 2014, 05:40:46 AM
I think that could probably be the one reason, why he continues. His daughter is way too much involved, and maybe he tries to protect her by playing along...not realizing that this makes the whole story getting worse and worse....

Or he really tries hard to believe in his daughter, although everything shows him the contrary and he's losing faith all along...But it is his daughter, so he really tries...still clinging to the hope, that maybe a fairy is coming along granting him his wishes...

I could also imagine, than when he built his first QEG setup, and showing the results to his daughter, that she wrongly interpreted them being happy for OU and he didn't wanna inlfuence negatively her enthusiasm. And then everything took an uncontrolled way, by her ambitious character...

Who knows...one could imagine many things...

But I have serious doubts, that James would continue if Scamgirl wasn't his step-daughter...

Edit:
To me it looks, as if he doesn't seem to be very happy with the current situation. Well would you, if you would have to fiddle all day on that damn QEG with no sign of any real progress???

But maybe Scamgirl is really that ignorant not understanding any electronics and so still really believing they really got something.And noone in the "inner circle" has the courage to tell her the truth?
Cognitive dissonance can be quite powerful. Maybe powerful  enough to power a QEG?  ;D

The fact is that they are all adults and are responsible for their actions. They need to fess up and explain what they did and did
not have and do and do not have still. They should be prosecuted by class action for some kind of fraud or investigated by the
appropriate authority, ie. "consumer protection agency".

Raising money under false pretenses is fraud.

The authorities in the respective countries should also look into them. Jail in Morocco sounds fitting. But most importantly as far as
I can tell their base of operation is in the U.S., and as far as I can tell they are U.S. citizens.

If I was duped to donate a large sum of money based on lies, I would be informing the appropriate authority first to investigate
them and if that failed I would try to gather enough other ripped off donors to initiate a class action.

For me (if I was duped) the criminal prosecution road by the authorities would be more fitting than getting my money back.

All are adults and supposedly of sound mind so all bear the consequences of their own actions.

My message to the duped donors is to suck it up get over the embarrassment and do what is best for mankind which is to show
scammers there is consequences for fraud.

If anyone donates to a charity and the charity "people" lied to get the donation that is fraud. Plain and simple.

If the Q.E.G. group was to admit they made a mistake and attempt to repay what they can people might leave them be, if they
continue to defraud people I do not think the outcome will be "beer and skittles" for them. But who knows maybe all the donors
are too proud and rich with money to bother. I'd say that is what the scammers hope more for.

..

It is heartening to see that they were outed here. And that many of us can see through them.

May the people have mercy on them.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Shanti on June 06, 2014, 09:19:48 AM
@Farm:

Full Ack. I just tried to give some possibilities, why James is still continueing, although he doesn't seem too enthusiastic in the vid.

But, as has been said before: I'm also actually quite surprised, that noone has yet started any legal action against them.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 06, 2014, 09:40:36 AM
Shanti I must apologize to you, my quoting you was not meant to be personal, I could have quoted other posts to the same effect.

It was just a way to respond with my opinion on the why and who, is all. An effort to direct my opinion toward the points I was talking on.

I am sorry if it seemed like I meant anything personal. That was not my intention. I respect your opinions and your right to have them.

Cheers
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 06, 2014, 01:13:55 PM
I'm astonished at the extremely low volume of postings on http://be-do.com/  Barely one a day, and they are mostly "Hello" postings. Is this their main forum or are the builders using a different one? How come with all the all these replication efforts there isn't more activity? Perhaps folks are too embarrassed to share.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 06, 2014, 05:24:05 PM
"Actually it will work with or without these (shrouds) but ...."

Oh, really? Have you gotten it WORKING without the shrouds, or ever working at all? No, you have not.

So, Jimmy, it's just another LIE. Actually.... it will NOT work, with OR without the "shrouds" .

Do these shrouds appear in any of the complete and comprehensive "open source" plans or drawings that have been released already? You know, the ones that give complete instructions for making one's very own SELF RUNNING, extra energy generating, resonant overunity machine?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX9XMO15ef0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX9XMO15ef0)

They are going to try to keep the shrouds attached to the rotor using threaded rod and nuts: specifically no washers or lockwashers. Just nuts, bearing onto the shroud material, in a rotating assembly that is subject to heavy vibration.

I wouldn't trust these clowns to assemble a bicycle.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Eniac5state on June 06, 2014, 06:11:34 PM
Talking about quacks, that Stive P is the biggest QUACK of them all !
He can lie better then all the shills combined.
Also from poland ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 06, 2014, 06:52:44 PM
"Actually it will work with or without these (shrouds) but ...."

Oh, really? Have you gotten it WORKING without the shrouds, or ever working at all? No, you have not.

So, Jimmy, it's just another LIE. Actually.... it will NOT work, with OR without the "shrouds" .

Do these shrouds appear in any of the complete and comprehensive "open source" plans or drawings that have been released already? You know, the ones that give complete instructions for making one's very own SELF RUNNING, extra energy generating, resonant overunity machine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX9XMO15ef0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX9XMO15ef0)

They are going to try to keep the shrouds attached to the rotor using threaded rod and nuts: specifically no washers or lockwashers. Just nuts, bearing onto the shroud material, in a rotating assembly that is subject to heavy vibration.

I wouldn't trust these clowns to assemble a bicycle.


Looks like they are building from scratch yet another QEG, this time in the UK. This is really fish or cut bait time for these guys. No more excuses because they are trying to build in a third world country. I like the crowd of onlookers. True believers I'm sure. Would not want to be a skeptic in that room.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on June 06, 2014, 07:11:50 PM
Love James's comments: keep the weight down; don't use washers or lockwashers. Note the excessive rod length. 
Looking at how the plates were positioned, balancing is not an issue...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 06, 2014, 07:28:17 PM
Love James's comments: keep the weight down; don't use washers or lockwashers. Note the excessive rod length. 
Looking at how the plates were positioned, balancing is not an issue...

Oh how I'd love to be a "fly on the wall" in that lab!  Red herring after red herring.... pretty soon the foul odor of "fishiness" will be impossible to ignore, even by the most dedicated vegans in the QEG mob.


HypeGirl has disabled comments on her YT video uploads in a plain attempt to squelch discussion of this "Open Source" project, but she apparently forgot about the "Discussion" area on her channel page itself. I see there are a couple of older, negative or skeptical comments still there. So I left this comment, and we'll see how long it lasts:

Quote
You are offering for sale, on the "consulting" webpage, something which you clearly do not possess: the knowledge and skill to make the QEG self-running and producing energy for free.
You also have solicited donations based on clearly false claims: You claimed to have a working prototype that ran for 150 hours... but clearly, again, you do not now nor have you ever had a "working prototype" that runs itself as claimed and makes useful excess power as claimed.
Further, you have claimed that this device has something to do with various Tesla patents, which is also untrue, as anyone who has read the patents and your "open source" plans can see for themselves.
And you have travelled the world, leaving partially-finished projects behind in the hands of hopeful innocents, and lots of people have spent lots of money due to your claims, none of which are true.
Your recent proclamation of "overunity" in VARs is another deliberate falsehood, because many clearly UNDERUNITY systems can produce similar large VAR measurements, and this fact is not an indication of OU performance. Any competent electrical engineer will tell you this. You  have never had a QEG device that truly produced "overunity" performance... yet you claim that you have and that your present devices do. And you continue to ask for money based on these false claims, while cynically preying on the hopes of good people who desire real change in the world.
I fervently hope that you get just exactly what you deserve.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 06, 2014, 07:55:28 PM
On the matter of hardware: Another unbelievable gaffe from the Great Engineering Artiste James Robitaille.

Five minutes of Internet searching pulls up _many_ sources of , for example, Grade 8 (aircraft quality) 1/4-28 thread 4 or 4 1/2 inch bolts, costing under a dollar each usually, that could be delivered anywhere in the world with a post office in a few days. If they are in London, they could have the hardware in under two hours.

(I just estimated the size required from the video, but of course whatever sizes are needed can be obtained easily enough.)

One must ask, though: why not just tap out threads into the holes in the rotor to, say, 1/2 inch depth and then use much shorter, cheaper, LIGHTER IN WEIGHT bolts to hold the shroud plates on? Can't get taps in London either?

I am ROFLing at these "engineering artists".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: nickec on June 07, 2014, 04:37:42 AM
Compare these two fundraising efforts:

Approximately $11,500 USD before fees in 13 days for QEG (http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG).

versus

About $99,500 USD before fees in 30 days for Focus Fusion. (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/focus-fusion-empowertheworld--3)

1,180 donors for Focus Fusion.  133 donations for QEG.

Eye opening is it not?


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 07, 2014, 05:07:53 AM
Hi Tk,
I get your point. But I would not do a thread or tap into the laminates, as this would cause them to separate.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 07, 2014, 06:08:44 AM
Hi Tk,
I get your point. But I would not do a thread or tap into the laminates, as this would cause them to separate.
I had forgotten that the rotor was made of laminated sheets. You may be right, although I've done it successfully. It's probably a matter of thread pitch vs. lamination thickness.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 07, 2014, 06:18:28 AM
Yes, It can be done but not without some distortion. The tighter you go the more upward force is exhibited to the upper laminates.  The male thread will push as well as pull into the laminate if tightly threaded. And a sloppy thread until the head was seated would still exert force upwards when tightened. A perfect fit is impossible. Sorry for the modifications to this post. More experience in machining than electronics. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 07, 2014, 02:06:28 PM
Well, I'm not really arguing with you.... but.....

The first image below shows the size of the original hole (on the left) and shows the 1/4-20 plug tap going into the RH hole that has been drilled out to #8 (my #7 drill is missing in action somewhere).
The second image shows the lamination thickness compared to the thread pitch.
The third image shows the slight burr on the top lamination, which is easily removed with, e.g., a light touch with a countersink or spotface or even a few strokes with a file. Lower lams don't show any distortion.
I was able to tighten and remove a 1/4-20 bolt into that hole without further distortion. I would not hesitate doing the same thing on a QEG rotor (except I might use a different thread diameter/pitch) especially since the bolts will be loaded only in shear and barely at all even there.

(I have a little bit of experience with machine tools, field repairs and just generally trying stuff out to see if it will work or not)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Yadaraf on June 07, 2014, 04:28:30 PM
Well, I'm not really arguing with you.... but.....

The first image below shows the size of the original hole (on the left) and shows the 1/4-20 plug tap going into the RH hole that has been drilled out to #8 (my #7 drill is missing in action somewhere).
The second image shows the lamination thickness compared to the thread pitch.
The third image shows the slight burr on the top lamination, which is easily removed with, e.g., a light touch with a countersink or spotface or even a few strokes with a file. Lower lams don't show any distortion.
I was able to tighten and remove a 1/4-20 bolt into that hole without further distortion. I would not hesitate doing the same thing on a QEG rotor (except I might use a different thread diameter/pitch) especially since the bolts will be loaded only in shear and barely at all even there.

(I have a little bit of experience with machine tools, field repairs and just generally trying stuff out to see if it will work or not)


Haven't you just "shorted" the laminations and created a lump of iron, thus defeating the purpose of the laminations, which is to reduce eddy currents and associated heat?


Cheers,
Yada
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on June 07, 2014, 05:01:58 PM



   I'd wondered about that, but there again I've seen transformers etc. with a run
of weld across the laminations.
                                    John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 07, 2014, 07:02:58 PM

Haven't you just "shorted" the laminations and created a lump of iron, thus defeating the purpose of the laminations, which is to reduce eddy currents and associated heat?


Cheers,
Yada

Maybe.
Do you think four 1/2 inch long bolts will short more, or fewer, laminations than two lengths of threaded rod strung all the way through the rotor?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on June 07, 2014, 07:24:55 PM
Maybe.
Do you think four 1/2 inch long bolts will short more, or fewer, laminations than two lengths of threaded rod strung all the way through the rotor?

Quantum energy does not care. Neither does Hope energy. Neither needs conductive materials to function, just money...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 07, 2014, 08:57:14 PM
Someone mentioned the activity level on the Be-Do forum for the QEG.  Not to mention the dearth of technical postings.  Then we have that "whackadoo technical posting" guy vgray35@hotmail.com that is cranking out reams and reams of pseudo technobabble gibberish that is pure junk.  The scary thing is that there may be some emo newbies that don't know squat about electronics and energy and believe everything he posts.

His profile:

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Retired Electronics Engineer, and Process Control Engineer. Working on over unity research, especially new transformer designs. Have been off the grid for over a decade. Currently working on my own 10kW inverter design.
 
Interested in over unity transformer designs to drive 3 phase AC electric car motors from low power sources. Looking at improvements to split flux tri-coil devices as an interface to high power AC motors. Using QED seems appropriate.

I don't believe that he is a retired electronics engineer.  Just like I don't believe that James was an electrical engineer.

He says he is from Idaho.  That gives me a chill because I wonder if he is from or closely affiliated with the Bee-deenie gang.

Serious message to the Be-Do and other QEG lurkers:  Ignore vgray35@hotmail.com, almost everything he says is complete and utter crap.

Are you also lurking Larry?  Are you starting to have doubts?  Are you feeling uncomfortable about doing things like letting vgray35 post his nonsense and at the same time deleting all rational and reasonable postings from people that make technical arguments that show the myriad of problems associated with the QEG, the biggest one being that it doesn't work as claimed?  Are you starting to get uncomfortable with Naima Feagin's ridiculous claims of over unity when the actual data generated by the FTW team itself shows under unity?  Are you starting to feel like a dupe and you resent the fact that you are "under orders" to exterminate dissenting opinion like a bloody programmed drone?

Going back to the serious level of inactivity on the Be-Do forum, I am willing to bet you that there are less than 25 serious replications going on around the world.  If they are claiming more my opinion is that they are lying.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 07, 2014, 09:22:58 PM
Going back to the issue of James Robitaille allegedly being an electrical engineer:

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/03/free-energy-trolls-and-debunkers-a-new-paradigm-guide/)

From the Hopeblog:

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James Robitaille is an electronics engineer whose mechanical skill and inspiration is very similar to that of Nikola Tesla. James just “see’s things” in his mind, like Tesla did. He has an intuition, a gut feeling, and an almost psychic understanding and connection with electrical power and machinery. (An interesting similarity many may not know is that James’ ancestors come from Croatia, the same country Tesla came from!) Many engineers have been learning directly from James in person at the QEG builds. Some have said it’s almost like watching Tesla work.

Weeks ago I speculated that James was just an engineering lab technician, doing some of the research and grunt work in support of the design engineering departments wherever he worked.  I don't see a public Linkedin profile for him, and I am not a Linkedin member, so I am not sure.  He may not even have a Linkedin profile.  However, if I was going to take a guess, it would be that he doesn't have one because he knows it would be uncomfortable and possibly worse if he had a Linkedin profile where he lied and claimed he is an electrical engineer (presuming that he isn't) because many of his peers that he worked with over the years would see this.

In my opinion Naima Feagin is spinning yet another BS story, this one is about James.  In reviewing James' technical output so far, it looks like something that would have been produced by a bench technician, not by an electrical engineer.

I am reposting the scope capture of the primary resonant tank waveforms that James clearly could not understand as per the two technical reports put out by FTW.

There are several people around here that I will ask to disqualify themselves from explaining the waveforms, they know who they are.  Anybody else that wants to take a crack at at, go ahead.

However, my real wish is for James M. Robitaille to explain the waveforms.  It has been a few weeks or perhaps even a month since you have observed this waveform on your high-end DSO.  What do you have to say?  Or, anybody from the Be-Do forum want to try to explain the waveforms?  In your little straitjacket of a forum I doubt the issue has ever even been discussed.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 07, 2014, 10:08:18 PM
 :P
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 07, 2014, 10:43:41 PM
More working in the lab researching free energy light bulb devices....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on June 07, 2014, 11:05:39 PM
MH, I could not find James on Linkedin. He has shown a great lack of basic understanding of electricity, and at best was a low level technician.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 07, 2014, 11:43:35 PM
Well, I'm not really arguing with you.... but.....

The first image below shows the size of the original hole (on the left) and shows the 1/4-20 plug tap going into the RH hole that has been drilled out to #8 (my #7 drill is missing in action somewhere).
The second image shows the lamination thickness compared to the thread pitch.
The third image shows the slight burr on the top lamination, which is easily removed with, e.g., a light touch with a countersink or spotface or even a few strokes with a file. Lower lams don't show any distortion.
I was able to tighten and remove a 1/4-20 bolt into that hole without further distortion. I would not hesitate doing the same thing on a QEG rotor (except I might use a different thread diameter/pitch) especially since the bolts will be loaded only in shear and barely at all even there.

(I have a little bit of experience with machine tools, field repairs and just generally trying stuff out to see if it will work or not)

Well the logical solution is to make the rotor itself become "round" even though the laminated "magnetic" section is a "bar" of sorts, I would be considering molding the rotor into a strong resin so that the resin covers the sides for a 1/2 inch or so to maintain some structural strength, alternatively some sections could be machined from a strong laminate like carbon fiber then bolted and bonded into the open sections to displace the air and make the rotor round to the air.

the sections to displace the air could be made so one half is on/or part of each half of the shroud, then when the two halves are bolted together over the rotor it would be impossible for it to come off, I would use "Loctite" on the threads and a bonding agent to back up the bolts and prevent any vibration between parts.

Placement of the bolts and matching weights should keep the rotor in balance. If it is balanced that is, any good rotor should be finely balanced, this can be done painstakingly by hand or done by pros with machines.

Cheers
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 08, 2014, 12:06:57 AM
Perhaps one more "lie detector" test that the people that are more familiar with the mechanical assembly issues would agree with:

In one of James' QEG assembly videos, I think it's the shroud assembly video, he states that the clearance between the rotor ends and the "posts" (or "poles") is 10 thousandths of an inch - 0.010".

I don't buy that at all.  0.010" is a little bit less than the thickness of three sheets of paper.  I saw the rotor moving a bit in his clip and I think it was lined up with the posts at the time.  By observing the rotor movement, I guesstimate that the separation between the rotor and the posts is about 0.040" minimum.

0.040" or greater sounds more reasonable.  I just don't think you could actually build the QEG to such a tight tolerance with such a small air gap.

This is just gut feel.  If I am correct, then what is the point of lying like that in a clip?  Why?  It all relates back to the credibility of the whole proposition.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 08, 2014, 01:28:08 AM
I'm astonished at the extremely low volume of postings on http://be-do.com/  Barely one a day, and they are mostly "Hello" postings. Is this their main forum or are the builders using a different one? How come with all the all these replication efforts there isn't more activity? Perhaps folks are too embarrassed to share.

Very good question.  I keep reading the number of groups, not individuals but groups, raising from 100, 200, to 300.  Each time someone post the number of that day, I ask them why have the efforts of these groups not been known on any of the forums other than the German forums.  And what happened to the 5,000 engineers in China, and the reports of the Morocco 30 in Aouchtam.  Same on "wait see" virus kicks in and they say the same symptom of be patient and sit back don't judge.

Only qeg videos being released of substance was that last report Version 1.0, not included the now ever growing Click To Donate videos hope is putting out for money.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 08, 2014, 03:05:48 AM
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I don't buy that at all.  0.010" is a little bit less than the thickness of three sheets of paper.  I saw the rotor moving a bit in his clip and I think it was lined up with the posts at the time.  By observing the rotor movement, I guesstimate that the separation between the rotor and the posts is about 0.040" minimum.

0.040" or greater sounds more reasonable.  I just don't think you could actually build the QEG to such a tight tolerance with such a small air gap.
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I have noticed your concern about this before. I to agree that this tight of a tolerance would be very difficult to work with, especially using those fiberglass plates. I think I remember on the original plans the clearance was 0.013. But still I would be leery of this at high RPMs. A way to know would be to contact Torelco with your concerns.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 08, 2014, 03:44:46 AM
Yes, that's another thing I noticed too. With the materials and the assembly techniques they are using I doubt very seriously that a gap of 0.010 " could actually be used. You would almost need dowel pins in metal to achieve the necessary alignment repeatability and stability for the rotor shaft bearing blocks, and a well balanced rotor and shaft and pulley assembly to boot.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 08, 2014, 07:46:07 AM
Having a control surface point is needed. It could be a machined shoulder, slot or even a tightly controlled pin arrangement. But it would need to be a carefully plotted around the core and rotor measurements. Joining two flat surfaces at 90 degrees with a bolt and nuts through a hole does not make it likely. After rethinking about what I have seen. No way!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 08, 2014, 08:19:34 AM
ariovaldo
Please provide your tolerances as I believe that you are a trusted source. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 08, 2014, 02:07:00 PM
ariovaldo
Please provide your tolerances as I believe that you are a trusted source.


I didn't check it, but the tolerance are suppose to be 0.013 in each side. Total, 0.026 inches.
That isn't easy to ajust and get it running using UHMW sheet like I'm using.
Next time that I take it apart I can check it out.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 08, 2014, 04:59:22 PM
How much will that rotor piece expand when it gets hot, I wonder?


Here's what a gap of 0.013 inch looks like:


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 08, 2014, 06:27:02 PM
TK:

I am trying to make your pic approximately 1:1 scale on my 24-inch 16:10 monitor.

I tweaked the image to 400 x 264 and at least on my monitor it looks roughly right.   Now we are talking about one big rotor fitting into one big donut.  With thermal expansion and the imperfect balancing, and the fact that as it spins up it may go through some mechanical resonance peaks.....  The stated gap looks like another tall tale.

I looked at some clips and I didn't see anything to precisely tweak the positions of the bearings and axle but I look with an untrained eye.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 08, 2014, 07:39:37 PM
Nice job. It still displays a little bit large on my monitor, perhaps 10 percent, judged by holding the actual caliper up against your screen image.

Yes, it appears that the rotor shaft bearing blocks are mounted with a triangular bolt hole pattern to the material of the main side frames. How is it possible to have enough clearance in the holes for the bolts to go through, but still not have so much slop that the alleged tight rotor clearance can be accurately adjusted and maintained? How can mere bolts through a soft material maintain a secure mounting through the vibration that the device evidently experiences?

At that spacing, even the issue of whether the facing surfaces of stator poles and rotor ends are squared-off flat, or whether they follow the curve of the circular "donut hole" becomes important. Is the clearance 0.013" uniform all the way across like it might be with curved bits, or is it a "minimum" figure for the closest approach of the corners of squared-off facing ends?

I'll bet a "rotor crash" when running at speed could ruin your whole afternoon.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 08, 2014, 07:54:59 PM

Haven't you just "shorted" the laminations and created a lump of iron, thus defeating the purpose of the laminations, which is to reduce eddy currents and associated heat?


Cheers,
Yada



   I'd wondered about that, but there again I've seen transformers etc. with a run
of weld across the laminations.
                                    John.


Are these welds that connect all the laminations together?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 08, 2014, 08:07:13 PM
I must have missed something.  Is .013 the supposed gap or, is it the tolerance as was mentioned in a few posts?  To me, a tolerance is a range expressed as + or- a specific value.  It can also be + a certain value and -0 and visa versa.

Either way, there is no way possible that that gap is anywhere near .013.  The coefficient of thermal expansion of the materials used would change that in a measurable way even if it really was a .013 gap.

Maybe the tolerance is really .013  +.100 and -0?  Possibly the engineering artist does not know how to express a real tolerance?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 08, 2014, 09:29:59 PM
Good Afternoon everybody!


Since I'm doing some changes in my QEG, I took it apart and I shot some pictures that can show the gap between rotor and stator.
Once again, I'm just trying to help and learn....
This picture, (rotor gap 2)  shows the rotor inside the stator. In this one you can see clear the gap..


Cheers


Ariovaldo

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 08, 2014, 09:30:06 PM
On the QEG build document on the stator page it clearly says "Stack and tig weld stator and rotor" And this is the same diagram that shows all of the measurements in question.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 08, 2014, 09:33:11 PM
In this picture, since I misplaced my tool to check the gap measurement, I used a 22 AWG magnetic wire. I put the rotor in all the way in on side and I insert the wire in the other side. The wire was pretty much tight..


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 08, 2014, 09:34:43 PM
This other picture, is just to show the wire real size.....


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 08, 2014, 09:36:14 PM
Thank you ariovaldo. So it is closer to 0.026 per side.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 08, 2014, 09:45:00 PM
No, he has the rotor all the way over, I think, so he's showing that the total gap is 0.026", or 0.013" per side. Very impressive!


Ariovaldo, can you describe for us the difficulties in achieving and maintaining this close clearance?
-The concentricity of the 4 stator pole piece arcs and the rotor bearing mounts and rotor faces.
-The rotor symmetry and balance.
-The rotor shaft bearing mounts.
-Checking clearance after assembly.
-Thermal expansion.
-Vibration when resonance is attained.
-Results of an inevitable rotor crash.

etc.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 08, 2014, 10:05:35 PM
TK
I see what you mean. My be I misunderstood ariovaldo. I to am curious as to the set up procedure. Once the side plates are up how do you measure your gap?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 08, 2014, 10:08:46 PM
Thank you ariovaldo. So it is closer to 0.026 per side.


Nope. It is closer 0.013 per side. I inserted the wire just one side. The other side the rotor and stator was touching each other..


Ariovaldo



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 08, 2014, 10:32:56 PM
No, he has the rotor all the way over, I think, so he's showing that the total gap is 0.026", or 0.013" per side. Very impressive!


Ariovaldo, can you describe for us the difficulties in achieving and maintaining this close clearance?
-The concentricity of the 4 stator pole piece arcs and the rotor bearing mounts and rotor faces.
-The rotor symmetry and balance.
-The rotor shaft bearing mounts.
-Checking clearance after assembly.
-Thermal expansion.
-Vibration when resonance is attained.
-Results of an inevitable rotor crash.

etc.


I don't say that is difficult...I use to work with 7000 hp gearboxes and when we take it apart, to put it back needs adjust to get good contact in the flanks and the clearance right.


Now, trying to answer yours questions...
-The concentricity of the 4 stator pole piece arcs and the rotor bearing mounts and rotor faces.
The concentric are very good. I got tell: It is a beautiful machine. The rotor and the stator was well done.

-The rotor symmetry and balance.
No balance problem. I put the SKF vibration monitor and it was in a very good range..

-The rotor shaft bearing mounts.
This is one problem that I'm having...That shaft was made using one " non"  reliable lathe ( my fault), so it is a little bit smaller in diameter that was suppose to be.


-Checking clearance after assembly.
I don't use to check. When I'm putting it together, I use to put the rotor in the lower position, making it touch the stator, after that put up position and bring half way down. Repeat the procedure for the side

-Thermal expansion.
I don't think that is happening in this system so far, since I din't run long enough to have the system hot..Can be a problem...

-Vibration when resonance is attained.
The vibration can be felt in low speed, but this issue is not something that is calling my attention so far.

-Results of an inevitable rotor crash.
That can happen in a long run and when we don't use the right material and as washers for example. Also we need to have right torque and etc..


The difficulties that I'm facing is inherent a system like that, where we have a small clearance, high speed, plastic as support and nothing to lock in the right position.


I hope this can help.


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 08, 2014, 10:48:41 PM
Thanks
Right now it works just as an experimental device. But 150 hr run time would be scary unless there were some really solid control points. Would you agree?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 08, 2014, 10:59:21 PM
Ari,

Thank you for your measurements.

I remember our teacher explaining to us how in big electrical generating stations there are worries when they have to bring a rotor up to speed and get it on line.  For starters, the rotors are massive, thousands of tons.  So the mechanical rotational inertia is part and parcel of stabilizing the grid and keeping the line frequency close to 60 Hz.  The line frequency actually drifts very slowly above and below 60 Hz and they make sure that the net frequency averaged over a very long period of time is exactly 60 Hz.

The worries come from the process of bringing the massive rotors up to speed.  As they increase in speed they may pass through the resonant frequency of the power station building itself, as an example.  So there may be a "mini resonant earthquake" as the 5000-ton rotor passes though the mechanical resonant peak of the building.  When the rotor speed is past the resonant peak then things calm down and there is no more resonance to worry about when the rotor is at speed.

Naturally the more solidly built the QEG is the less you have to worry about these mechanical resonance points.  I give FTW credit for a pretty solid looking build but they lose points if they do indeed claim the rotor-stator gap in their recent build is 10 mils because it just doesn't feel right.

MileHigh

AS an addendum I note that your setup has 13 mils of clearance per side so I could be wrong.  I will get my "satisfaction" in the next posting where I discuss the electrical analysis.  lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 08, 2014, 11:09:40 PM
Okay here is the electrical rant, beware QEG teams!  lol

Going back to the electrical analysis of the QEG, let me touch on a Bedini motor as an example.  I am going to have to toot my own horn to make this point.  I have never built a Bedini motor, but several years ago I watched a bunch of Bedini motor clips.  A while back someone was giving me a hard time about "armchair vs. builder" and I made an estimate that I have about 3500 hours of direct experience on the bench.  Now that's not a lot in terms of a lifetime, but it's still nothing to sneeze at.  Another thing worth mentioning is that the last time I actually worked on a bench was about 1990, a generation ago.

Nonetheless, right now, today, if I had access to a bench with equipment, and a Bedini motor, I could do a better, more in-depth analysis of how one works then I have ever seen in six years of online Bedinidom.  I could explain exactly how it works to a level of depth and detail that has never been done before that I am aware of.  Bedini motor builders would be *shocked* if I produced 10 clips and associated lab reports.  I would analyze the thing inside-out and open whole new areas of discussion that have never even been touched upon.  I would generate analysis data that would blow some people's minds and I would crush a whole bunch of silly myths about Bedini motors that have been around seemingly forever.  I would explain how the coil actually works and what it does.  I would go into depth about all of the timing issues around the coil which are barely even discussed among Bedini enthusiasts.  I would optimize the implementation of the pickup coil and base resistor and discuss all of the timing issues there also, and discuss the trade-offs.  I would offer up a solution that is 10 times better than the crude pick-up coil driving a base resistor as an alternative.  Analyzing a Bedini motor setup would be close to child's play for me if I had the run of a lab.

So, we are talking about the QEG.  James is supposed to be an "electrical engineer" or an "engineering artist," depending on the day.  If James really is an engineer, how come he isn't doing to a QEG what I could do to a Bedini motor practically with my eyes closed?  Where are his timing diagrams?  Where is his analysis of the QEG and where is his leadership to guide the replicators?  Where is his detailed power-in vs. power-out analysis?  Where is his detailed timing diagram that includes the tracking of the rotor as it spins through two Pi radians?  WHERE IS IT?

I could do the same thing to the QEG that I could do with a Bedini motor.  So what are we waiting for?  We are supposed to be in the hands of a professional and if you believe Hope's hype, James is a bloody engineering god!

Well, as we look at the situation as it stands today, James and FTW come off as typical free energy proposition bluffers that don't demonstrate technical competence up to the level that has been pitched to the masses.  "Take everything that Hope says and divide by 10."  So far James appears to be an ordinary bench technician that got his name on some patents because he put thermocouples on some vacuum cleaner motors and put them into the temperature cycling oven and ran the software to record all of the datum points.

Make no mistake all of you QEG lurkers and especially the QEG builders - some people have convinced you to spend thousands of dollars of your own hard-earned money and to invest your precious time into this dubious free energy proposition, and you will be lucky if you get out of this with a lousy Fix the World t-shirt (that cost you $250 USD.)

The burden is on the shoulders of the people that promised you all of this "magic."  When they don't deliver you can look at that - "non-delivery, not working" - as being the truth.  Therefore the deduction is that the promisers were liars.  Not that they were misguided or overly optimistic or that they have good hearts but were unsuccessful - they are liars.  The full Internet paper trail is there, and I assume that the Internet Wayback Machine has already gobbled it all up.

MileHigh

P.S.:  I certainly don't consider myself to be an electronics expert.  There are people around here and people that I have met in real life that make me look quite lousy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 08, 2014, 11:32:02 PM
I have a sobering follow-up to my rant.

How come John Rohner never measured the average power in vs. the average power out from his "pap engine?"

(In my generation as kids we played with "pop guns."  The pap "engine" is just a form of glorified pop gun.)

How come John's arch rival, Bob Rohner, as of my last check about a year ago had never measured the average power-in vs. power-out for his version of a pap "engine."  He claims that he is a mechanical guy and he doesn't know how.

How come James Kwok refused an offer to go forward and actually do an installation of his "water gravity generator?"

How come in all of John Bedini's conferences and DVDs he has never explained how a coil actually works to his followers?

How come Rossi never generated unambiguous, definitive data?

How come the QEG has not been properly analyzed and proper data presented to the QEG enthusiasts?



The answers, my friends, are blowing in the aether.  They will remain blowing in the aether for the foreseeable future.

The reason for this is that they don't want to present credible, good data because that would show they have nothing, it would stop them in their tracks cold and stop the money flow.

It's all disgusting when you really think about it.  It's the dark side of the "Fix the World" pantomime dance.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 09, 2014, 12:00:08 AM
I have a sobering follow-up to my rant.

How come John Rohner never measured the average power in vs. the average power out from his "pap engine?"
John Rohner never made an engine run that produced any output power.  He did a couple of times use a starter motor to spin some or most of the guts.  But that was never able to drive a loaded generator.
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(In my generation as kids we played with "pop guns."  The pap "engine" is just a form of glorified pop gun.)
That's right.  But because Papp put on a clever display some people think that there s more to it than that.
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How come John's arch rival, Bob Rohner, as of my last check about a year ago had never measured the average power-in vs. power-out for his version of a pap "engine."  He claims that he is a mechanical guy and he doesn't know how.
No, Bob Rohner is cagier than that.  He says that he will not disclose measurements because that is trade secret information that he protects for the benefit of his investors.  He promised almost two years ago that in the following spring (2013) when the cold winter was over he would take and publish measurements.  He instead did a demo that appears to be a complete fake, see Gary Wright's excellent work-up for details.
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How come James Kwok refused an offer to go forward and actually do an installation of his "water gravity generator?"
I know why and you know why.  Find the audio clip of his phone message to Sterling Allan.  It's hilarious.[quopte]

How come in all of John Bedini's conferences and DVDs he has never explained how a coil actually works to his followers?[/quote]Bedini has been scamming as long as Goldes.
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How come Rossi never generated unambiguous, definitive data?
Because rivals and snake clowns are everywhere trying to steal his fully robotic million unit per year factory.
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How come the QEG has not been properly analyzed and proper data presented to the QEG enthusiasts?
They are yet another group of free energy grifters.
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The answers, my friends, are blowing in the aether.  They will remain blowing in the aether for the foreseeable future.

The reason for this is that they don't want to present credible, good data because that would show they have nothing, it would stop them in their tracks cold and stop the money flow.

It's all disgusting when you really think about it.  It's the dark side of the "Fix the World" pantomime dance.

MileHigh
Steorn did a similar thing:  Appeal to charity while robbing investors blind.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 09, 2014, 12:09:25 AM

I don't say that is difficult...I use to work with 7000 hp gearboxes and when we take it apart, to put it back needs adjust to get good contact in the flanks and the clearance right.


Now, trying to answer yours questions...
-The concentricity of the 4 stator pole piece arcs and the rotor bearing mounts and rotor faces.
The concentric are very good. I got tell: It is a beautiful machine. The rotor and the stator was well done.

-The rotor symmetry and balance.
No balance problem. I put the SKF vibration monitor and it was in a very good range..

-The rotor shaft bearing mounts.
This is one problem that I'm having...That shaft was made using one " non"  reliable lathe ( my fault), so it is a little bit smaller in diameter that was suppose to be.


-Checking clearance after assembly.
I don't use to check. When I'm putting it together, I use to put the rotor in the lower position, making it touch the stator, after that put up position and bring half way down. Repeat the procedure for the side

-Thermal expansion.
I don't think that is happening in this system so far, since I din't run long enough to have the system hot..Can be a problem...

-Vibration when resonance is attained.
The vibration can be felt in low speed, but this issue is not something that is calling my attention so far.

-Results of an inevitable rotor crash.
That can happen in a long run and when we don't use the right material and as washers for example. Also we need to have right torque and etc..


The difficulties that I'm facing is inherent a system like that, where we have a small clearance, high speed, plastic as support and nothing to lock in the right position.


I hope this can help.


Cheers


Ariovaldo

Thanks for answering the points. It would appear that having the proper, accurate, laser-cut laminations is going to be critical for any builders if they want to get this kind of tight clearance. I'm surprised at the accuracy, frankly. With that kind of care and precision taken with the laminations, it's surprising that the rest of the QEG design is so flaky.

So, if you, or someone else, did have a rotor crash, do you think it would cause unrepairable damage to rotor/stator laminations, bearing mount holes, etc? I can envision a couple loose fasteners at the bearing mounts allowing the shaft to drift over a bit, and then a lot of banging and jumping about....
 :'(

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 09, 2014, 12:27:46 AM
Thanks for answering the points. It would appear that having the proper, accurate, laser-cut laminations is going to be critical for any builders if they want to get this kind of tight clearance. I'm surprised at the accuracy, frankly. With that kind of care and precision taken with the laminations, it's surprising that the rest of the QEG design is so flaky.

So, if you, or someone else, did have a rotor crash, do you think it would cause unrepairable damage to rotor/stator laminations, bearing mount holes, etc? I can envision a couple loose fasteners at the bearing mounts allowing the shaft to drift over a bit, and then a lot of banging and jumping about....
 :'(


In my experience in system like that, several crashes can be bad. Just a couple can be reparable...Also, depend of flywheel and belt tightness. Anyhow, crashes are not good, bend the shaft, smash the lamination and so one. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on June 09, 2014, 05:41:52 AM
I think there may be needless over anylizing the rotor / stator gap.

According to this be-do (official) video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L640w3k3xdA

at 2:24 James states that the bearing mounting holes can be drilled "larger" to provide some adjustability.
That and the lack of lock nuts / washers as TK alluded to should do the trick (or not).

But it probably will be ok since at 2:55 he clarifies that they were drilled by eye, so again, probably ok (or maybe not).
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 09, 2014, 07:51:45 AM
No, the thickness of three sheets of paper as MH stated is very relevant to the operation of the QEG. And drilling the holes larger  adds to the adjust ability, it also would add to the fail ability.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 09, 2014, 08:08:12 AM
Yes I think the gap may have been over-analyzed, what can you do.  Perhaps one can say it's better to throw too many words at an issue as compared to near-zero words on the other forums.  The root cause for the discussion is the continuous hyperbole and ridiculous misrepresentation of what has transpired in the few technical clips put up by the Fix the World group, and their overall outrageous claims.

Let me touch on the "Tesla issue" for a second.  This issue goes beyond the FTW group, you read similar claims made on the forums for various Tesla patents for what appear to me to be early designs for motors and generators.

I don't read all of Tesla's patents, but I have read a few.  Nonetheless, let me put forward a viewpoint.

Tesla worked with Westinghouse to do the Niagara Falls power dam and develop all of the first-generation AC electrical distribution technology and hardware.  FTW is referencing two Tesla patents that on just a glance at the drawings look like early designs for AC motors, or AC generators, or perhaps generic motor-generators.  In the real world there are various different types of motors and generators using different architectures, both for AC and DC hardware.  I believe that Tesla did some preliminary designs and then patented them.

The reason for Tesla applying for patents for this kind of stuff is pretty obvious.  There would soon be an explosive demand for both motors and generators and Tesla wanted to have his designs patented so he could collect royalties.

In my preliminary opinion, without doing the in-depth research, that is the essence of the story behind these types of motor/generator patents by Tesla.

All of these Tesla patents are for early designs for UNDER UNITY motors and generators in anticipation of the upcoming electrification of the world.  THAT'S IT - NO MORE THAN THAT.

And what do we have?  We have the FTW gang pitching these Tesla patents as embryonic QEG designs or as the inspiration for the the design of the QEG.  I am willing to bet you it's not true, it's a lie.   I have read several people state that the two Tesla patents referenced by the FTW gang have NOTHING to do with the QEG.

You also have people on the forums that are so hyped with the concept of Tesla that if you tell them that the patents are for over unity hardware they will believe it without questioning it - sheeple.

You also have people that believe that these patents and other patents are over unity designs but Tesla intentionally left something out so as to not be "caught" by the Powers that Be.

In my opinion, they are just patents for ordinary motors and generators, period.  There is no "secret sauce," and there is NOTHING at all related to that hunk of metal and wire called the QEG.

So you are left with gratuitous cynical manipulation of the "free energy enthusiast masses" by the FTW gang and the ongoing "Cult of Tesla" sheeple that will believe almost anything with respect to free energy or "hidden messages" in the various Tesla patents.

Again, in the context of today, the various Tesla patents for motors and generators are just that - early zeroth-generation-design motors and generators.  THAT'S IT!

This whole cynical manipulation and use of Tesla's name by the Fix the World group amounts to another black mark in their book.  Beware of these people, they are trying to sell you snake oil.  The QEG is what it is.  As you see more test results come in, the rational and scientific analysis of the results will continue to show you that the QEG is a crappy generator, and nothing more than that.  There is an analogy with a Bedini motor, it's a crappy battery charger, and no more that that.  Both devices have about the same power-in to power-out efficiency, somewhere between 30% and 40%.  That sucks.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Shanti on June 09, 2014, 09:23:58 AM
Lol, I also thought you kinda overthink the gap thing...
It seems there's not enough entertaining news from the QEG-team, so people are running kinda empty... ;D

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Let me touch on the "Tesla issue" for a second.  This issue goes beyond the FTW group, you read similar claims made on the forums for various Tesla patents for what appear to me to be early designs for motors and generators.

I completely "full ack" your rant post, although kinda offtopic.
And I'm also always very suprised about these Tesla myths.
But it's not only about his motors/generators patents. If you make any device, just propose it is an idea/patent from Tesla and you will have quickly a bunch of followers. Even if there's no real tie to Tesla, or the tie corresponds to a completely misinterpreted device.
Hell, even the esoteric scene (dowsers etc) is relating to Tesla...(although they have NIL knowledge about this subject)
I'm wondering who started these Tesla myths. Was it Vassilatos with his book, making crazy claims about Tesla without any indication of verifiable source?
Or did the myth start out earlier, maybe influenced by the Borderland-group in general?
Or even still earlier?
E.g. I cannot understand, how one can make a myth out of the "Hairpin"-Circuit, or out of the monopolar motor/generator...
But now I got way too much offtopic...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: lancaIV on June 09, 2014, 10:26:29 AM
                                        Nikola Tesla without him :


                   http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_P._Steinmetz (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_P._Steinmetz)
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCharles_P._Steinmetz&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCharles_P._Steinmetz&edit-text=)
                                                                     
                                                      Less success !
It was Edwin W. Rice (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=de&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php%3Ftitle%3DEdwin_W._Rice%26action%3Dedit%26redlink%3D1&usg=ALkJrhgNVbq4nnxMpvuxk0CIr7obwJ6m4g) of the newly formed General Electric Company attentive, and took over in 1892 Eicke Meyers company to get Steinmetz.

Sincerely
              OCWL

p.s.: Rudolf Eicke Meyer
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRudolf_Eickemeyer_%28Erfinder%29&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FRudolf_Eickemeyer_%28Erfinder%29&edit-text=)


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_W._Rice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_W._Rice)


             Charles Proteus Steinmetz ( AC,Eicke Meyer) )/Thomson-Houston Electric Company 
                                                              and
                                            Edison General Electric (DC) :     
                                                         
                        G.E.                                                                          ~ A.E.G.           
              Geral/General Electric                                       a. ::)  A.us E.rfahrung "G.ut"  ::)   
                                                                                       b. A.llgemeine E.lektrizitaet(s-) G.esellschaft

                                                            A.E.G.
                         https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAEG&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FAEG&edit-text=)

             http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michail_Ossipowitsch_Doliwo-Dobrowolski (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michail_Ossipowitsch_Doliwo-Dobrowolski)
                                                           translated:
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMichail_Ossipowitsch_Doliwo-Dobrowolski&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMichail_Ossipowitsch_Doliwo-Dobrowolski&edit-text=)

                   What have they to tell us about Tesla("Telsa") "Technologgy"(Technology) ?

                                               The A.E.G. Kleinmotoren
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&PN=de&ST=advanced&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&PA=aeg+kleinmotoren (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/searchResults?compact=false&PN=de&ST=advanced&locale=en_EP&DB=EPODOC&PA=aeg+kleinmotoren)


               has published a nice idea, less energy=less mass , universal useable
                                                            AC or DC I think so
                                            for each Kg/1KW power density


                                                           Probably this !
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=15&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19961010&CC=DE&NR=19513134A1&KC=A1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=15&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19961010&CC=DE&NR=19513134A1&KC=A1)
                                                           Free,open source !               


Tesla,Steinmetz,Doliwo-Dobrowolski ,.... :             honor to whom honor is due
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 09, 2014, 02:25:24 PM
I've seen several times questions raised as to whether Jamie is an electrical engineer, mostly I think by MH. I've seen at least one reference by HopeGirl to her step-dad being an electronics engineer, not specifically an electrical engineer. For those who have not studied electrical engineering you might ask what is the difference? OK so I'm an electronic and an electrical engineer, a EEE.  I studied both subjects together.  I did my degree in the UK where it is usually to do both. However, out of a class of about 100 students or so only 4 specialized in electrical engineering in our final year, the remainder of us went down the electronics path. In the US, at the risk of over generalizing here, I would say it is more usual to study in depth only one or the other. So you get EEs. Electronic or electrical engineers. I would say (except for a few that do rf design) that for the most part electronic engineers live in a DC world, while electrical engineers an AC world.  Incidentally, AC power machines, transformers, etc are something of a black art to design, and theory only gets you so far. I would not be surprised if Jamie originally miss measured the power output of his prototype machine because he is a DC power guy, not an AC power guy. Unfortunately he is now stuck between QEG and a hard place!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Eniac5state on June 09, 2014, 03:26:46 PM

Yep, i have found the missing link !  The rotor should be made of a magnet and then the
fun begins. It looks like a one to one copy of patent 4904926.
called 'magnetic motion electric generator'.

And skip all shill messages from
'farmhand'
milehigh' ,
Khwartz,
TinselKoala,
Pirate88179,
Mark E,

to name a few ! Heromembers ? The opposite !
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on June 09, 2014, 03:59:46 PM
Well, Eniac5state, did/does this patent result in an OU device? I'll give good odds that it never did.
As to calling people shills, do you always do that to people that you disagree with?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 09, 2014, 04:10:29 PM
Yep, i have found the missing link !  The rotor should be made of a magnet and then the
fun begins. It looks like a one to one copy of patent 4904926.
called 'magnetic motion electric generator'.

And skip all shill messages from
'farmhand'
milehigh' ,
Khwartz,
TinselKoala,
Pirate88179,
Mark E,

to name a few ! Heromembers ? The opposite !

ROFL!

You have no credibility here, Eniac5state. You have produced nothing of your own and you have zero insight into what is actually going on. And you cannot refute anything that any of the people you mention have said, with checkable outside references, valid facts or demonstrations of your own.

Why don't you take your "suggestion" over to the QEG forum sites and tell _them_ that they should be using a magnet for their rotors? 

Of course.... that would be like telling someone who is building a bicycle that they should build a locomotive instead.

Not only that... but also, you are WRONG about the patent number you list! Anyone who looks at the drawings and claims can see for themselves that the QEG is NOT a "one to one copy" of that patent, even if you substitute a magnet for the laminated rotor of the QEG.

You think there are "shills" on this forum? You apparently don't even know the definition of "shill"... because YOU are one.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 09, 2014, 04:20:22 PM
I've seen several times questions raised as to whether Jamie is an electrical engineer, mostly I think by MH. I've seen at least one reference by HopeGirl to her step-dad being an electronics engineer, not specifically an electrical engineer. For those who have not studied electrical engineering you might ask what is the difference? OK so I'm an electronic and an electrical engineer, a EEE.  I studied both subjects together.  I did my degree in the UK where it is usually to do both. However, out of a class of about 100 students or so only 4 specialized in electrical engineering in our final year, the remainder of us went down the electronics path. In the US, at the risk of over generalizing here, I would say it is more usual to study in depth only one or the other. So you get EEs. Electronic or electrical engineers. I would say (except for a few that do rf design) that for the most part electronic engineers live in a DC world, while electrical engineers an AC world.  Incidentally, AC power machines, transformers, etc are something of a black art to design, and theory only gets you so far.

As someone who has invested some years into the study of transformer design and has had numerous conversations with commercial transformer winders I know this to be true.

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I would not be surprised if Jamie originally miss measured the power output of his prototype machine because he is a DC power guy, not an AC power guy. Unfortunately he is now stuck between QEG and a hard place!

Since Jamie has apparently worked for companies like ShopVac involved in some capacity with motor design and testing, I believe he is familiar with rotational AC machines.  I will however stop short of speculating any further on why he is doing and saying the things he is, because it's already been well established there are only two possibilities, ignorance and deception, and in view of his work history ignorance seems the less likely.

I've read articles that say there is now a big movement in the EE work these days away from analog AC stuff into digital DC stuff, and that this is creating a relative scarciity in competently trained analog engineers, because our institutions of higher education have all but stopped teaching it.  I learned what I know about the nitty-gritty of the design and actual winding of low frequency power transformers and audio output transformers from hard to find material published in the 40's and 50's.  For the most part, this particular field, laminated core low frequency transformers, stopped evolving decades ago, and now just follows well established although closely held guide lines that were determined through a horrendous amount of trial and error work over the years.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 09, 2014, 08:09:37 PM
The mysticism has no bounds.

No point in inserting the facebook source since I cannot read its link due to not being a member of its gangship.  Here is the relink:
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/443-comment-to-ftw-about-transverter

"Dear Hopegirl Just want you to know that you are on the right track and that their are already many people using free energy devices out here. Please tell Jamie that the transverter or what we call the diode extraction plug is the correct device for extracting the radiant or reactive power from the QEG!"


What part of that is amazing?  Do you know what amazing would have been, to have provided any approach path FROM DAY ONE.  But no..... This amazing advise just so happens to come months later and only AFTER word of a transverter to be made and come in the wake of the 3rd phase funding campaign.  Well which is it, radiant or reactive?  Now on narrative #4.

In narrative order:
1. Output of 240v 42 amps 60hz  (from manual 03-25-2014).
2. Output of 2000v 5 amps 400hz (from Taiwan interviews starting @4:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE notice James said "if")
3. Output of 1400v lower amps due to not over unity yet 200hz, and may need an aerial? (Morocco)
4. Output to be supplemented with a transverter to draw power from reactivity of the primary coil (to be done in United Kingdom http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/).

Note that in narrative #1 the quantum exciter coil's function was "to provide a conduction path through the quantum field (zero point) into the
generator core." - page 2 http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/qeg-user-manual-3-25-14.pdf 

Equally note the exciter coil was not used in Morocco from where the variations of over unity were said to been measured. 
Report: https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-june-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v2-011.pdf,
- section 3.1.1, "the exciter circuit had not yet been included"
- section 3.1.2 table 7, Exciter coil No for primary coil and No for secondary coil
- section 3.2.1, "At this stage the system was tested without the exciter coil"  That test result reported Reactive Power of 22.8kVAR pk-pk / 2050kVAR RMS 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 09, 2014, 08:19:41 PM
Thanks for answering the points. It would appear that having the proper, accurate, laser-cut laminations is going to be critical for any builders if they want to get this kind of tight clearance. I'm surprised at the accuracy, frankly. With that kind of care and precision taken with the laminations, it's surprising that the rest of the QEG design is so flaky.

So, if you, or someone else, did have a rotor crash, do you think it would cause unrepairable damage to rotor/stator laminations, bearing mount holes, etc? I can envision a couple loose fasteners at the bearing mounts allowing the shaft to drift over a bit, and then a lot of banging and jumping about....
 :'(

You have to remember, qeg team has no bearing on the fabrication of the metal parts.  You can thank Torelco for that.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on June 09, 2014, 08:23:12 PM
Could the mysterious post have come from Hypegirl herself? Sort of self promotion? Would she stoop that low?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 09, 2014, 08:33:22 PM
You have to remember, qeg team has no bearing on the fabrication of the metal parts.  You can thank Torelco for that.

So .... am I correct in thinking that all "replication" teams world-wide are buying and using the same sets of laminations from Torelco? 


Does Torelco know that they are making overunity free energy generator parts?
Is there a money-back guarantee, I wonder?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 09, 2014, 08:37:52 PM
So .... am I correct in thinking that all "replication" teams world-wide are buying and using the same sets of laminations from Torelco? 


Does Torelco know that they are making overunity free energy generator parts?
Is there a money-back guarantee, I wonder?

Seems most are coming from them.  Torelco knows all about the qeg and are backed up.  In one of the great many :) hopegirl post she mentions 200 cores were ordered.
http://www.torelco.com/QEG-Generator.html
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 09, 2014, 08:48:48 PM
So .... am I correct in thinking that all "replication" teams world-wide are buying and using the same sets of laminations from Torelco? 


Does Torelco know that they are making overunity free energy generator parts?
Is there a money-back guarantee, I wonder?


I didn't get mine from Torelco...I got from Polaris Lamination
They were very kind...
http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com/

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 09, 2014, 08:51:21 PM

I didn't get mine from Torelco...I got from Polaris Lamination
They were very kind...
http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com/

Adding Polaris to the thank list of tolerances :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 09, 2014, 09:01:18 PM

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/443-comment-to-ftw-about-transverter (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/443-comment-to-ftw-about-transverter)[/font]

"Diode Extraction Plug"  Dr Stiffer perhaps??? 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 09, 2014, 09:08:22 PM

I didn't get mine from Torelco...I got from Polaris Lamination
They were very kind...
http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com/ (http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com/)


Torelco is a transformer winding company, about 10 mile or so from where I live, although you can get the whole thing from them for about $3000. The cores going out to UK, Morocco etc are coming from them. I believe they halted production for a while due to high voltage breakdown issues. I think they are potting them now. Cost may have gone up a bit.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 09, 2014, 09:55:14 PM
I wonder if mpeterson@torelco.com is aware that his company's product is being falsely promoted as a "free energy" Quantum Energy Generator, and that virtually everyone who buys one believes it will run itself and produce excess energy while doing so.


I'm not completely sure about the legalities of such an interconnected web of deceit.  Maybe mpeterson@torelco.com knows how to distance his company from having any legal liability for HypeGirl's false claims about his product.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 09, 2014, 10:02:09 PM
As long as he isn't misrepresenting his product, I don't see where he would have a legal problem.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on June 09, 2014, 10:02:32 PM
Torelco will just claim that another part is at fault, or the core is not used as designed. Standard liability/warranty disclaimers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 09, 2014, 10:18:57 PM
As long as he isn't misrepresenting his product, I don't see where he would have a legal problem.

Ah... so if the misrepresentation and essential "advertising" and sales pitch is done by a separate legal entity, Torelco is in the clear. I see.

Would that still be the case if Torelco and QEG/FTW had some kind of business relationship going? Like a commission to QEG/FTW for each unit sold? I notice that the Torelco page talking about these products features the QEG banner prominently across the top.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on June 09, 2014, 10:24:53 PM
As long as Torelco does not claim OU, they are not misrepresenting the product. Having a business relationship does not mean endorsing the claims of the other party.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 09, 2014, 10:25:36 PM
Ah... so if the misrepresentation and essential "advertising" and sales pitch is done by a separate legal entity, Torelco is in the clear. I see.

Would that still be the case if Torelco and QEG/FTW had some kind of business relationship going? Like a commission to QEG/FTW for each unit sold? I notice that the Torelco page talking about these products features the QEG banner prominently across the top.
As long as that third party is not acting on behalf of Torelco, of course that is true.  In order to go after Torelco you have to show that they or someone acting with their authorization is misrepresenting their product.  If some super market started advertising on its own that a brand of soda gives eternal life, the soda company wouldn't be liable.  Only as a matter of protecting their own reputation they might want to discourage the super market's activities.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on June 09, 2014, 11:08:55 PM
About price of QEG core, an excerpt from Skype QEGNetwork :

[20:04:47] xxxx3000: is this machine working?
[20:05:53] xxxx3000: if yes, where can i get this large coil core?
[20:30:02] xxxxorker-SXM: I have built the Bedini wheel and the V gate drive neodimium perpetual motor model and it works
[20:55:47] xxxxdell: looks like we will have our core Thursday this week.....we will film the process and post at the end of the build.  We will be working with 3 engineers via remote Skype viewing and there will be 3 more engineers on hand at the build. 

If anyone is looking for a core, please let me know.  The more orders we get, the cheaper the cost is gonna be.
[21:49:16] xxxxtion: how much is the core?
[21:49:36] xxxxtion: what country is produced?
[21:55:26] xxxxdell: in Canada.  please contact me directly.
[21:56:20] xxxxtion: ok, thanks
[22:48:38] xxxxtion: still no answer, can anyone answer that? hope is not a secret.
[22:51:19] xxxxver: Zee, just send a private message to Kevin. He is getting some cores made in Montreal and has 2 available.
[22:55:49] xxxxell: @xxxxtion I think if you PM kevin blundell directly, he might have some answers for you.....
[22:56:05] xxxxtion: ok i sent him a message but no answer. i'll wait his answer. thanks a lot
[22:56:53] xxxxtion: i understood that overall construction raise at about 5-6000$ am I right?
[22:58:19] xxxxver: He's away from his computer for now it seems but he'll get back to you soon.
                              I think that's about right for the price, kevin knows.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: lancaIV on June 10, 2014, 12:41:33 AM
I've seen several times questions raised as to whether Jamie is an electrical engineer, mostly I think by MH. I've seen at least one reference by HopeGirl to her step-dad being an electronics engineer, not specifically an electrical engineer. For those who have not studied electrical engineering you might ask what is the difference? OK so I'm an electronic and an electrical engineer, a EEE.  I studied both subjects together.  I did my degree in the UK where it is usually to do both. However, out of a class of about 100 students or so only 4 specialized in electrical engineering in our final year, the remainder of us went down the electronics path. In the US, at the risk of over generalizing here, I would say it is more usual to study in depth only one or the other. So you get EEs. Electronic or electrical engineers. I would say (except for a few that do rf design) that for the most part electronic engineers live in a DC world, while electrical engineers an AC world.  Incidentally, AC power machines, transformers, etc are something of a black art to design, and theory only gets you so far. I would not be surprised if Jamie originally miss measured the power output of his prototype machine because he is a DC power guy, not an AC power guy. Unfortunately he is now stuck between QEG and a hard place!




electric + electronic :    http://home.earthlink.net/~fradella/RPMgenerator.htm (http://home.earthlink.net/~fradella/RPMgenerator.htm)

Zero cogging torque and no gearing, plus boost-regulation integral DC power interface electronics, provides useful current and voltage regulated generator output DC power over a very wide speed and torque range.  So energy yields from wind can be 100 times more than a conventional generator with its shaft coupled to the same size turbine mounted on a tower ! !


                                 Wind- and other force sources !
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 10, 2014, 12:58:51 AM
Terelco is simply a custom transformer winding company, part of Hunterdon Transformer.  The QEG core is not really their product. They buy in the laminations from http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com (http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com/) and wind the cores to Jamie's spec. They are not promoting or claiming anything. simply providing a custom wiring service. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 10, 2014, 01:08:03 AM



electric + electronic :    http://home.earthlink.net/~fradella/RPMgenerator.htm (http://home.earthlink.net/~fradella/RPMgenerator.htm)

Zero cogging torque and no gearing, plus boost-regulation integral DC power interface electronics, provides useful current and voltage regulated generator output DC power over a very wide speed and torque range.  So energy yields from wind can be 100 times more than a conventional generator with its shaft coupled to the same size turbine mounted on a tower ! !


                                 Wind- and other force sources !


Nice find! Is this a product you buy or is there a spec to build yourself?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 10, 2014, 02:21:14 AM
Terelco is simply a custom transformer winding company, part of Hunterdon Transformer.  The QEG core is not really their product. They buy in the laminations from http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com (http://www.polarislaserlaminations.com/) and wind the cores to Jamie's spec. They are not promoting or claiming anything. simply providing a custom wiring service.

That might be true but it's not really the impression that jumps out at one from their webpage.
http://www.torelco.com/QEG-Generator.html

"Torelco is working with FTW on best pricing available." And it sure seems like they, Torelco, are offering the product for sale. Since they list a price and even ask for half in advance when ordering.

QEG :FTW/Quantum Energy Generator banner at the top of the page.

This would seem to me to imply that what they are selling is some kind of "quantum energy generator" finished coil. Since that's what they show and that's what they call it.

What, exactly, is "quantum energy" and how does it manifest itself in this product?

I would like to know if the management at Torelco is aware of the claims made for the product they are selling under the name "Quantum Energy Generator finished coil" and whether or not they agree with the claims made for the product.  If they agree, let them say so. If they don't agree.... well, that should be made known too, don't you think?


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: lancaIV on June 10, 2014, 02:22:11 AM

Nice find! Is this a product you buy or is there a spec to build yourself?


from their page :
Status of the our broad-speed-range generator and flywheel battery
We developed and tested the generator and  flywheel battery prototypes shown above; but none are in production. Prototype tests and demonstrations have been conducted for our 2 wind powered generator versions and 3 flywheel battery versions. Our 3rd version flywheel battery prototype tests are not completed.
The technology shown and described above is described in Fradella's U.S. Patents 4085355, 4520300, 6566775, 6794777, 7646178, 8242649, plus U.S. patent pending 13/080,488 and others in preparation.


If I will need it for several projects I will correspond with Mr.Fradella and Co. !

Sincerely
              OCWL
     
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 10, 2014, 03:13:04 AM
IancaIV:

It might be an interesting system integration.  But the standard calculations for how much power can be picked up by the wind generator to spin up the flywheel or charge the battery bank will apply.

MileHigh


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 10, 2014, 04:40:20 AM

If some super market started advertising on its own that a brand of soda gives eternal life, the soda company wouldn't be liable.  Only as a matter of protecting their own reputation they might want to discourage the super market's activities.


Ah, but they might indeed be liable.  IF it could be proven that the soda company KNEW about the super market's claims and did nothing to discourage them...AND, if the soda company used that super market's logo when advertising that particular soda...that MIGHT appear to be a defacto endorsement of that super market's claims.  Very deep waters here and it does not smell good.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 10, 2014, 05:39:16 AM
Ah, but they might indeed be liable.  IF it could be proven that the soda company KNEW about the super market's claims and did nothing to discourage them...AND, if the soda company used that super market's logo when advertising that particular soda...that MIGHT appear to be a defacto endorsement of that super market's claims.  Very deep waters here and it does not smell good.

Bill
No, just knowing that someone makes a claim about your product does not make you liable for their claims, even if you know about those claims.  What smart people do who find out about shady claims being made is distance themselves from the claims and the people making them because shady claims ultimately hurt one's reputation.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 10, 2014, 07:27:29 PM
Quote
I have a vision of the rotor in the QEG spinning 24/7 forever. What is the likely hood of this spinning 24/7 day in day out? I imagine these noisy generators in every home. How much can the noise be dampened? Where is the noise generating from? The coil? Does the DC motor keep running once over unity is reached?
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/376-what-happens-when-overunity-is-achieved?start=78 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/376-what-happens-when-overunity-is-achieved?start=78)

Priceless! So cute! Jamie can I have one of these too I don't mind the noise!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: lancaIV on June 10, 2014, 08:40:56 PM
                                        "when overunity is achieved"
                                        the Lorentz-Force reactor
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLorentzkraft&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLorentzkraft&edit-text=)

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLorentzkraft&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FLorentzkraft&edit-text=)
                                     (after force* controling bugs) 
                                             will be standart


                  Lorentz-force shortly( as elektromotive f.) e=mc²
                  m=M1-M2 Tesla: t=M1-M2 Halbwertzeit-Effekt also called decay     
 
                  elementary pooring or enrichment ( Valenz/Electronegativity )     

           usefull raio-/radio-active materials like Cobalt/Samarium/Neodymium
                                    in future also NITROGEN(+Iron)

                                                     or/and


 periodicly/switchable excitation of/for radioactivation by EMPulses or EMSurges
                                       (betavoltaic,magnetic voltage/noise)


                                                mass to energy
                                                energy to mass
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Faktuell%2Fwissen%2Fphysik-chemie%2Fquantenverwandlung-es-werde-das-licht-zur-materie-12969264.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Faktuell%2Fwissen%2Fphysik-chemie%2Fquantenverwandlung-es-werde-das-licht-zur-materie-12969264.html&edit-text=)

                       over the time partial consuming of reactor parts (recycleable)


My view Cheers
                         OCWL   


p.s.: force* : I do not mean MIB forces,simply technological machine improvements


                     The first Quantum Lorentz/Biot-Savart/Coloumb/Ampère-law force motor was
                     here in Portugal INPI-tested and approved/granted :

 
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091223&CC=WO&NR=2009154492A2&KC=A2 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20091223&CC=WO&NR=2009154492A2&KC=A2)
                                 
                                the main part : the magnet,electrostrictive, as seen in the mosaics

development after visit with demonstration of a capacive magnet concept by Dr.Pavel Imris,Csc.
                                   in Hassleben/Brandenburg


                                Lorentz-force is simple:nuclear force ,nucleus=Kern
                                                               + Spin
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/World_line.svg/250px-World_line.svg.png (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/16/World_line.svg/250px-World_line.svg.png)

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDebye-Modell&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FDebye-Modell&edit-text=)

                             http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnon (http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnon)

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMagnon&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FMagnon&edit-text=)


                  the photon-      phonon-Dualism : the quantum couple
                        Licht/Light   Welle/Wave           Quantenpaar          e=hv
                             Anti-/Materie

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCompton-Effekt&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FCompton-Effekt&edit-text=)

Under Telecracy-Conditions,Buckminster Fuller,his student Patrick Flanagan showed the first possibilities : Neurophone -neuronal Teleportation
following Teleportation as kind of "new" AbioGENesis
also materialmodification: sugar-cristals as Anti-Baby-pill
https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Faktuell%2Fwissen%2Fphysik-chemie%2Fbeamen-elektronen-fluestern-ueber-grosse-distanzen-12969260.html&edit-text= (https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.faz.net%2Faktuell%2Fwissen%2Fphysik-chemie%2Fbeamen-elektronen-fluestern-ueber-grosse-distanzen-12969260.html&edit-text=)
                                            ( NITROGEN use,one time more)

                                for improvements also important
Kern=Keim=Cell GEN-Spin-Orientierung ac-/de-celeration/orientation change :
        Core-/Kern-Informationszugabe/-Entfernung
          van der Waals-Bonding-forces: Memory(-effect) 
          Dielectricum = Pseudo-Vacuum  Basis:Casimir(Sparnay) -Generator
          THETA-waves-spectrum modification

Human and machine exploration possibilites for the good and clearly also for the bad


                                   Designing our future -science fictive   
       
                                       Repeating Mr.Jorge Ferreiras statement:   


         The technical range of this system stands in the present electromagnetic spectre, nevertheless is different owing the coils not having a standard behaviour in relation to the power consumption, they have not internal resistance, placing several questions of theoretical quality: According to the ohm's formula R=V/ I. With R=O and having a tension V on the coil, appear us the first theoretical difficulty to solve this equation, impossibility or irresolution. According to the Joule's formula w=I<2>xR, appears the same impossibility. According to Weber's formula Um= [psi]xRm we see that the magnetic tension (Um) is the result of the multiplication of phi ([phi]) by the reluctance (Rm) . We go on with the same impossibility. According to Lenz's formula [Delta](cos[psi])/[Delta]t we obtain that the induced electro-motive power (Ei) is the result of the division of the rate of the cosine of phi ([Delta]cos[phi]) by time variation. As cosine of phi is equal to zero, the irresolution is maintained. In practice submitted to several measures and tests we obtained a residual power consumption of 6 mA resulting more from cable feed then coil power consumption. The value of phi ([psi]) stands unaltered and equal to zero.


                      Practical situation without theoretical justification known.


                      That is the Nobel-Award-trial : Chemistry or Physics ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 10, 2014, 09:38:09 PM
It would seem mass production is the only real problem blocking the freeing of the universe.  If you do not have time to watch the video dont bother.  Same old copy paste point and click haphazard stop motion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFYd_SXB4h4


Some of the description:
1. "Much to the dismay and denial of all the arm chair quarterbacks, do nothings and know nothings and nay sayers, free energy has been achieved. Humanity had free energy before and now it has it again."

I say its better to be a non jailed non scamming arm chair warrior than the contrary.  And on the aspect of arm chair, why is this being tossed around (pun intended) against people who have in fact done many experiments.  How many experiments has this bot account on youtube or the person who set up the bot account or has the queen herself HopeGirl done?


2. "The overunity factor is 1 to 10 and 1 to 40. That is, at 1 kW of power for the drive motor produces QEG 10-15 Kw output or more."

Cannot even get the simple math correct.  Should be 10-40kW.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 11, 2014, 02:42:37 AM
It's the Propaganda Warz!  lol  Infowarz!

Something is happening, but you don't know what it is...

Do you?

Mr. Jones.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 11, 2014, 06:27:45 AM
A little waxing poetic with Stuart on PESN:

What you and many others are in denial of Stuart is the rational analysis of a circuit.  Look at the QEG schematic, there is practically nothing to it.  You literally just have to look at it to know how it will work in the energy scheme of things.  Then the QEG team shared some test data and it corresponded exactly to what the rational analysis says it should have been.  And that's the great tragicomic underbelly to this story and many other stories.  This subtext is almost always there, electronic circuits doing exactly what they are supposed to be doing in a spin zone of a vortex that sucks people into the free energy narrative.  Right now as we speak, all of the QEG data is saying this is just a hunk of metal and wire.  There is no "magic cycle" that you can show on a scope display that shows a small low-energy pulse in and a large high-energy pulse out.  They literally will never be able to show this on their DSO because it is simply not there.  The way caps, coils, and transformers work is known and understood.  Almost every pitch like this relies on a supposed "magic pulse cycle" with more out than in.  But they never show it.  Literally hundreds of proposed free energy circuits and devices relay on this supposed "magic pulse cycle."  If it really is there, you should be able to show exactly where it is.  You should be able to pin-point it right on your scope display.  You don't have to explain it, just showing it actually exists would be good enough for starters,  But you never see it.  Almost like a dance of the absurd.

Let me state it like this:  Every motion, every interaction, every voltage, every current is absolutely real and doing exactly what it is supposed to be doing.  There is no "portal" happening somewhere in the rotor's rotational cycle that is "letting energy in from somewhere else."  It's just a pile of metal and wire, it simply will not happen.  There is no denying the reality of how the circuit works, period.  No matter what somebody says.  That leaves the proponents in the "Burden of Proof Doghouse."  Show something extraordinary with no hype and no pantomime and make your proof extraordinary, or remain in the Doghouse.

Now, on the other hand, if you have a team of engineers working on the QEG, they should easily be able to identify the "magic pulse cycle."  They have all the equipment.  It it actually worked, even a bench technician should be able to identify the "magic pulse cycle."  Then we are back in the dance of the absurd territory.  How many QEG engineers does it take to construct and analyze a QEG timing diagram?  Answer:  0 + j21.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 11, 2014, 07:09:42 AM
Miles,

Just what is it you want to see in a timing diagram?

I got this:

Purple is the voltage across a 2k resistive load in series with the primary.

Green is the rotor angle.  I ramp it four times from 0 to 90 degrees in the model to simulate 360 degrees of rotation.  The rotor angle is read on the volt scale in degrees.

Red is current through the primary.

Blue is torque on the rotor shaft.  Torque is read on the volt scale as newton meters.  Negative torque equals load on the drive motor.  Notice that the torque is mostly negative, meaning there is a lot of load transfered to the drive motor.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 11, 2014, 07:33:13 AM
F_Brown:

Anther fascinating simulation.  I am only glancing, it's late.

What the builders of the QEG have to do is first demonstrate over unity for real, not the nonsensical foolishness and lies taking place right now.  Right now is like a bad pulp sci fi novel where there is a fatal flaw in the premise of the whole society.

Measure the input power flow over a single cycle.  Then measure the output power flow over a singe cycle.  Explain the waveforms in detail.

If you haven't achieved over unity do it just the same because that is exactly what you are supposed to do anyway.

Now the QEG is a slightly different beast, there is no set of electrical input waveforms.  That doesn't matter, you push forward nonetheless.  You look inside the QEG and find the waveforms that are as close to the input as possible and go from there.  Since the circuit is so simple, you will end up analyzing the entire guts for the QEG, so much the better.

If you are going to be real, and considering how ridiculously simple the circuit is, the logical thing is to analyze ALL the guts and audit the power trail, and at the same time you could be leveraging the power of your simulation.  Anybody that is a real engineer and is serious would have to analyze this thing inside-out and it will not be that difficult.

It's a quest for the Magic Pulse Cycle and you leave no stone unturned.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: lancaIV on June 11, 2014, 08:55:22 AM
     
 http://pesn.com/2013/08/03/9602351_TMR-Effect--Tunnel_MagnetoResistance--New_Source_of_Clean_Energy/ (http://pesn.com/2013/08/03/9602351_TMR-Effect--Tunnel_MagnetoResistance--New_Source_of_Clean_Energy/)


                                      would be very funny,isn't it ?!
                                                          what ?

In 2001, Butler and Mathon independently made the theoretical prediction that tunnel magnetoresistance can reach an efficiency of several thousand percent when using the proper materials. In 2004, Parkin and Yuasa were able to make an MTJ (Magnetic Tunnel Junction) that reached over 200% TMR at room temperature. In 2009, TMR effects of up to 600% at room temperature and more than 1100% at cold temperatures were reached.



                   These percentages under R.oom T.emperature conditions ::) 
                                feeding an electro-magnet

Sincerely
              OCWL

              ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
              The Joseph Yater or Dr.Helmut Reichelt Cell-array as coil wrapping the magnet core
              ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

From this article in 2011, it can be seen that the same quantum effect can be applied to the development of new solar cells which can be more than 100% efficient.http://www.nrel.gov/news/press/2011/1667.html (http://www.nrel.gov/news/press/2011/1667.html)This third article from 2012 shows that LED’s can also be coerced to behave in a way which is over 100% efficient.http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.108.097403 (http://physics.aps.org/synopsis-for/10.1103/PhysRevLett.108.097403)  In very simple terms, when most people think of alternative energy, they think of things like “solar power”, “wind power”, “hydroelectric energy”, "thermoelectric energy”, so in keeping with this spirit of simplicity, a generator which derives it energy from a magnet could be termed as either “magnet power”, or “magnet energy”. So, how does this “magnet energy” work?A quantum particle of solar energy is known as a “photon”. A quantum particle of thermal energy is known as a “phonon”. And in the same way, a quantum particle of magnetic energy is known as a “magnon”. The Quantum Tunneling of electrons occurring in Magnetic Tunnel Junctions which results in the excitation of the magnons, is similar to the way a photon is responsible for the electron diffusion which occurs in the P-N Junction of a solar cell, or a phonon is responsible for the electron diffusion which occurs in the P-N Junction of a TEG (Thermal Electric Generator).


                      The "hidden" TMR-effect magnet publication,but not lost :
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=16&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20040226&CC=DE&NR=20317795U1&KC=U1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=16&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=20040226&CC=DE&NR=20317795U1&KC=U1)
                                     he,Dr.Pavel Imris prefered foil

                               This  Jorge Ferreira applied on the rotor 
                                                     as coil   
                                 and repeating his statement 
         The technical range of this system stands in the present electromagnetic spectre, nevertheless is different owing the coils not having a standard behaviour in relation to the consumption, they have not internal resistance, placing several questions of theoretical quality: According to the ohm's formula R=V/ I. With R=O and having a tension V on the coil, appear us the first theoretical difficulty to solve this equation, impossibility or irresolution. According to the Joule's formula w=I<2>xR, appears the same impossibility. According to Weber's formula Um= [psi]xRm we see that the magnetic tension (Um) is the result of the multiplication of phi ([phi]) by the reluctance (Rm) . We go on with the same impossibility. According to Lenz's formula [Delta](cos[psi])/[Delta]t we obtain that the induced electro-motive (Ei) is the result of the division of the rate of the cosine of phi ([Delta]cos[phi]) by time variation. As cosine of phi is equal to zero, the irresolution is maintained. In practice submitted to several measures and tests we obtained a residual consumption of 6 mA resulting more from cable feed then coil consumption. The value of phi ([psi]) stands unaltered and equal to zero.                 Practical situation without theoretical justification known.


                                                 Theory: TMR-Effect


                            or also identified as: the applied Biot-Savart-law Effect
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19780601&CC=DE&NR=2653497A1&KC=A1 (http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_EP&FT=D&date=19780601&CC=DE&NR=2653497A1&KC=A1)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on June 11, 2014, 11:50:44 AM
@ F_Brown
"Blue is torque on the rotor shaft.  Torque is read on the volt scale as newton meters.  Negative torque equals load on the drive motor.  Notice that the torque is mostly negative, meaning there is a lot of load transfered to the drive motor."

I use Maxwell Ansys to simulate QEG, and to me you juste misinterpreted the the torque signal.
Here a torque and speed graphe from a simution.

Notice the 0 Speed is upside left and scale for torque is right.
Note the correlation between negative acceleration and torque...
The load resistor is on the 2 "secondary's"  coils.
For me, the QEG is a simple reluctance machine, without mistery....
And yes, this machine needs something to start, noise, little voltage , little current or earth magnetic field, to start.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 11, 2014, 04:30:05 PM
I use Maxwell Ansys to simulate QEG, and to me you juste misinterpreted the the torque signal.
Here a torque and speed graphe from a simution.

My simulation is somewhat limited in a few ways.  One of those ways is that it presumes a massive flywheel.  One that is so massive that there is zero variation in the rotational speed of the rotor.  In other words in my sim the rotor maintains a constant angular velocity, which in the case of the image I posted is 6000 rpm +/- 0.000... 

Another way in which my sim is limited is that it fails to take into account frictional losses.
 
When the torque data from my sim is integrated over time, it clearly shows that significant input power is required to drive the system, and the input to output power or COP for this case is about 0.756.  When my sim is set up, meaning the value of the resistor in series with the primary is adjusted, to match the parameters of replication systems, the COP drops roughly to about 0.35 +/- about 0.1, giving a crude agreement with replication results.

Just how is it you think I am misinterpreting the torque data?

Quote
Notice the 0 Speed is upside left and scale for torque is right.
Note the correlation between negative acceleration and torque...
The load resistor is on the 2 "secondary's"  coils.
For me, the QEG is a simple reluctance machine, without mistery....
And yes, this machine needs something to start, noise, little voltage , little current or earth magnetic field, to start.

I agree the QEG is a simple variable reluctance machine.

I inject a little voltage noise into the primary circuit to give the parametric modulation something with which to start.

Also I noticed that when the value of the load resistor is made zero or very small.  Strange things start to happen like large and on going surging oscillations in the primary current.  With some values of low load resistance I have seen the efficiency of the system slightly exceed 1.  This I believe is due to discretation of time and error margins in the math used in the SPICE simulation engine.

In your sim what kind of a load have you placed on the system?

***

Come to think of it you mentioned you placed the load on the secondary coil. 

Just what value did you use for that load, and how did you determine the variable coupling coefficient between the primary to secondary?

***

Thinking more about this, you are graphing angular velocity rather than angular acceleration.  Why you mention the term acceleration is making me wonder what you mean by using that term.

Presuming negative torque in you graph means positive load on the drive motor, looking at your speed vs torque graph a drop in speed correlates to an increase in load upon the drive motor.  You neglected to show the primary current trace, although this increase in load upon the drive motor generally correlates with the time of high current flow in the primary.  Thus the loading pulse on the drive motor relate to the power required to pump AC current through the primary on each half of its cycle. 

This is what is expected.

Since the torque is negative, this action might be more intuitively interpreted as pulling current through the primary rather than pushing it, since the rotor at this time is being pulled or attracted back toward a pole by cogging force as the drive motor is moving the rotor away from the pole.

The positive torque peaks correlate to when the rotor is approaching a pole while current is still flowing in the primary due to its resonant nature and causing the rotor to be attracted toward the pole by cogging force.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on June 11, 2014, 06:20:34 PM
It's me who misinterpreted yours graphic, excuse-me... :)
English is not my native language!


"Also I noticed that when the value of the load resistor is made zero or very small.  Strange things start to happen like large and on going surging oscillations in the primary current.  With some values of low load resistance I have seen the efficiency of the system slightly exceed 1.  This I believe is due to discretation of time and error margins in the math used in the SPICE simulation engine. "
Ok, to get a good and reproductive sim, I need to put a 0.02 µs step for a 12000RPM rotating stator(5ms)(250 steps by revolution) . And as you,  i think yours "Stranges things" are "due  to discretization of time". With 0.5µs steps the sim is not correct.
I put my the Spice part of my sim in attachement. The 4 coils are used in the main Maxwell Ansys program (see second attachement).
I can put a constante speed or a torque.

Here is some info on this sim: QEG size and Coils as in the "official pdf" with
Primary coils = 2*3500T; R=2*35ohms
Secondary coils = 2*350T; R=2*0.25 ohms
Load= 250 ohms

Torque= 0.4Kg m
Damping= 2e-005  N m s / rad
Stator inertia=0.000173 kg m²

Initial speed = 11045 RPM (in this sim)
Initial Vco=-15000V
Initial Current in "primary" Coils=-0.75 A

The switch on the schema is there to simulate (very badly, i must said) one spark plug if Vco>25kV...
And no suprise: no OV  Efficience< 35%

I will try to with a 6000RPM speed but with a load on the two "secondary" coils.

Is you send me yours schema, i can test it, to make a comparaison...
@+




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 11, 2014, 07:24:36 PM
Maxwell 3D huh...

I wish I had a copy of that.  :)

Anyway, here is a copy of my version 2.1 QEG SPICE model.  It's for LTSpice.  If you unzip the file into a folder and open QEG_V2.1.asc with LTSpice it should run. 

I've got easily over a couple hundred hours invested into research and development for this model.  Any and all gratuities would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on June 11, 2014, 08:00:46 PM
@FBrown
Thanks, i will try your setup!
No problem to get V14, but i don't now if i may put à torrent link on this threads!
But i will send you a link, if you send me your address by private mail :)
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 11, 2014, 09:07:34 PM
Thanks, my email is on the SPICE model schematic.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 12, 2014, 04:30:47 AM
Since James has stated that he worked at Shop-Vac as an engineer (or artist?)  would it be safe to say that all of the products he worked on sucked?

Bill

ETA:  Maybe the QEG is really energy from the vacuum?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 12, 2014, 05:20:42 AM
Bill,

So you're Johnny Carson now?  lol  That was pretty good!

What's next for the QEG??
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 12, 2014, 05:41:05 AM
Major breakthrough!

An anonymous QEG group has modeled the interaction of the QEG with the quantum foam.  They also found the particles and anti-particles that are responsible for the very Wheelwork of Nature itself!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: lancaIV on June 12, 2014, 08:44:29 AM
Major breakthrough!

An anonymous QEG group has modeled the interaction of the QEG with the quantum foam.  They also found the particles and anti-particles that are responsible for the very Wheelwork of Nature itself!


                      Superluminal : "faster than light velocity"(book from 1912,not QEG) : copper use
                                              making it-the path- from copper anti-/particles view
                                                           Translucent
                                            =             Superlucent
                                            =             Transluminal 


                       over light : Plasma 

                                               #1515 outside ~ #1523 inside

                               1D-2D-3D to 4/5...D  Hyperraum-Teleporter 
                                                        over Hyperraum : Zeit            TIME(+...D pos./....D-neg. from X)

                             Zwillingsparadoxon~Twilight-Paradoxon
                                                      the path              : Reise          Journey


                                                        Spacetime 
                                                        espacenet     net=foam-gitter Pearce/Fuller


                                    through entering the "black/white" whole

                                                   the Re-Port(-ation)


                                      to ( australian a(r)bor(or)iginal)
                                                        T-RAUMZEIT                   ,wo ALL "ES" begann

                                                        T~ THETA

        Milehigh, there is a quantum(Dialektik=Translation:das Quentchen) truth in your irony
        making Seelen(Soul/content)wanderung(journey/walking) of and about your "ex-/im-pression"


                              dialektischer Materialismus und dialektischer Antimaterialismus


                                 arbor : Stamm "stem"           Origen : Keim-Zelle
 

                                                                       O
                                                     bulum                  vulum


                                                                    OOO
                                                                   
                                                                    urbs           
                                                                    orbs
                                                                  o-az-is   


                                                             vox pop-ulis
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 12, 2014, 09:24:58 AM
Major breakthrough!

An anonymous QEG group has modeled the interaction of the QEG with the quantum foam.  They also found the particles and anti-particles that are responsible for the very Wheelwork of Nature itself!
With those pictures and a bit of medication for glaucoma one could easily find resonance!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 12, 2014, 02:16:30 PM
My response to a question on http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/451-please-explain-what-does-var-mean#2007


Quote
Steman - Very good question. VAR is the measurement unit for reactive or as we often call it in the UK "imaginary" power. The words "real" and "imaginary" come from complex number notation. The power used to light say a light bulb is referred to as "true" or "real" power and is measured in Watts. Real power can be used to do work like drive a motor or other load. Imaginary power can not be used to do work. It's main value to power generation companies is to maintain the correct end customer voltage levels on the national grid when you have inductive loads like refrigerators, motors, and other devices where you do not have unity power factor.


There is a third type of power referred to as apparent or "complex" power and is measured in Volt Amps (VA). It is the vector sum of the "real" and "imaginary" power vectors. You might find this article useful:


http://www.aspowertechnologies.com/resources/pdf/True%20vs.%20Apparent%20Power.pdf


Unfortunately it is not possible to convert imaginary power (VAR) into real power (Watts). So the QEG producing 20 KVAR in the primary coil is not particularly useful. Also when you calculate the efficiency of a device like the QEG you can not divide the imaginary power by the real power. So you can not do this 20000/600 = 33.33 overunity.


Let me know if I should make any editorial changes?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 12, 2014, 02:51:33 PM
My response to a question on http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/451-please-explain-what-does-var-mean#2007



Let me know if I should make any editorial changes?
When explaining reactive power, I try to emphasize that it is energy that moves in and out of storage.  Adding that detail in this case may not be helpful.  You are fighting an uphill battle with people who want to proclaim and / or believe that they have a free lunch.  I suspect that they will reject what you have told them as "in the box thinking". 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 12, 2014, 03:09:25 PM
MarkE -  You are right of coarse, but the my main objective here is for those reading this forum and who are not technical to understand that the claim of overunity based on VARs is completely bogus, and generating reactive power in large quantities is not particularly useful.  I suspect that 20KVAR needs to be divided by 8 also.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Shanti on June 12, 2014, 03:34:19 PM
@PCB:
I think especially for a non technical educated person, it would be easier to understand it in the way Mark pointed out.
I would explain  it anyways not generally, but just in relation to the QEG:
It is the energy cycling back and forth, which is steadily accumulating energy, when the output power and the losses are smaller than the input power

Maybe one could it explain it to them even simpler: If e.g. you charge a capacitor with a certain energy, again and again, the energy in the capacitor obviously will accumulate.
Now you have much more energy in the capacitor. But that doesn't mean that you have generated more output energy, you have just accumulated it.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 12, 2014, 03:59:13 PM
MarkE -  You are right of coarse, but the my main objective here is for those reading this forum and who are not technical to understand that the claim of overunity based on VARs is completely bogus, and generating reactive power in large quantities is not particularly useful.  I suspect that 20KVAR needs to be divided by 8 also.
I understand and agree with the intent.  It is not an easy task because there is a huge ignorance coupled with a huge distrust of anyone who understands it.  It's a good example of a cult.  When you invariably get push back and accusations of being part of some establishment plot then I suppose you can propose a test that will demonstrate the point.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 12, 2014, 04:32:23 PM
Thanks, I'll make some wording changes to highlight the stored energy issue of the resonant circuit.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 12, 2014, 04:42:14 PM
Updated response:
Quote
Steman - Very good question. VAR is the measurement unit for reactive or as we often call it in the UK "imaginary" power. The words "real" and "imaginary" come from complex number notation. The power used to light say a light bulb is referred to as "true" or "real" power and is measured in Watts. Real power can be used to do work like drive a motor or other load. Imaginary power can not be used to do work. It's main value to power generation companies is to maintain the correct end customer voltage levels on the national grid when you have inductive loads like refrigerators, motors, and other devices where you do not have unity power factor.


There is a third type of power referred to as apparent or "complex" power and is measured in Volt Amps (VA). It is the vector sum of the "real" and "imaginary" power vectors. You might find this article useful:


http://www.aspowertechnologies.com/resources/pdf/True%20vs.%20Apparent%20Power.pdf (http://www.aspowertechnologies.com/resources/pdf/True%20vs.%20Apparent%20Power.pdf)


Another way to look at VARs in the case of the QEG, is that it represents the stored energy in the primary tank circuit. The VAR is the energy that flows between the inductance of the primary coil and the capacitor bank. A key feature of resonant circuits is that they can build up large amounts of energy from little amounts over an extended period of time. These little amount of energy likely come from the change in reluctance of the the core due to the spinning rotor. However, you can not take out more energy than you put in - so the device will never put out more power than you put in and we see this in the efficiency numbers that Jamie has so far presented. In addition if you attempt to take out the energy then you will disrupt the resonant circuit and it will stop working.


Unfortunately it is not possible either to convert imaginary power (VAR) into real power (Watts). This is because the average reactive power is always zero. So the QEG producing 20 KVAR in the primary coil is not particularly useful. Also when you calculate the efficiency of a device like the QEG you can not divide the imaginary power by the real power. So you can not do this 20000/600 = 33.33 overunity.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 12, 2014, 06:18:58 PM
@FBrown
Thanks, i will try your setup!
No problem to get V14, but i don't now if i may put à torrent link on this threads!
But i will send you a link, if you send me your address by private mail :)
@+

To get the spice model to run you may have to copy the symbol "three_port.asy" into the ".../LTC/LTspiceIV/lib/sym/Misc" folder.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 12, 2014, 11:05:33 PM
My response to a question on http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/451-please-explain-what-does-var-mean#2007



Let me know if I should make any editorial changes?

Good effort.  I cannot wait to see the replies.  I noticed you have thank you's and a few post but 0 karma over at be-do.  By the way how does the karma work over there?  The admins decide who they like or some grand formulation like a FICO score?  Could not find it anywhere and when reading the registration guidelines I do completely agree with the first sentence "Tesla technology already exists, has for over a century and it's just a matter of time, conscious intention, inspired creativity, some hard work and dedication from people all over the world before we having working units in homes and business."  Yes, Tesla technology does exist.  Its not a matter of time.  We have motors and power transmission world wide.  What does that have to do with any qeg?

I have been using the water method:
Reactive is simply then energy from the source to the load that did not make it to the load. Sort of like passing buckets of water from one water well to another well. Some of it get spilled and the spilled water runs back to the source well. But for electricity instead of being spilled it is returned to the source. Problem is the source then needs to put out more energy to fully power the load. None of this is extra power by means of reactivity. The coils of motors cause this reactivity.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 13, 2014, 01:01:39 AM
PCB:

You never know, I don't want to prejudge, but there is a possibility that Larry's eyes glaze over when he reads your posting.  So he might not be aware that it is a "bad" posting and you squeeze by!

I laugh, because I just invented the "Boing!" test.  See the attached image...

Now, what percentage of QEG enthusiasts can describe what happens in the "Boing!" test?  And by that I mean the energy dynamics and the energy audit trail in time and space.  How many can "see" why, how, when, and where the energy is going when you do a Boing!?

If you can't pass the "Boing!" test then how can you build and analyze a QEG?  Chanting Boings! in harmony with a syncopated beat does not get you any points.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 13, 2014, 01:35:56 AM
MH: Well in to beginning my posts were vetted. But my early posts all pertained to helping others find components like caps etc, and I was granted direct posting privileges. Larry is no longer a gate keeper for what I post. I guess he could remove a posting, but I always take a screen shot just in case.

ACG: Bummed out about the Kama thing! I wonder how I can improve my score?  I know how to give others a karma point increase, but I guess nobody feels compelled to give me some karma. My thinking is clearly out of alignment with the crowd over at be-do.

A quick update, 20 people have thus far read my post. I feel sure that I will have a major impact. Be-do activity is like watching paint dry or trying to pour out molasses out side on a cold winters day. Snails looks like they are racing by compared with the activity on the QEG forum. Oh we now have a "Hello from the QEG Team Bangalore, India (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/453-hello-from-the-qeg-team-bangalore-india)". This is starting to feel a bit like the Euro-vision song contest!!!

Here's a Larry posting "The QEG does not create energy from nothing, it merely collects it from the environment around it." I've been thinking and researching a bit lately about using balloons to collect radiant energy from the upper atmosphere. The atmospheric "free" charge density at sea level is rather low, but it's much higher is you go up a few thousand feet. I think that Jamie should attach a wire meshed balloon to his primary tank circuit. Just an idea! Trying to be helpful in a positive way!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 13, 2014, 03:54:03 AM
Bill,

So you're Johnny Carson now?  lol  That was pretty good!

What's next for the QEG??

MH:

Thanks.  I was not sure if anyone would "get it".  I am glad that you did.  I was going to put "energy from the vacuum cleaner", or, "energy from the shop-vac." but I am happy that I did not have to spell it out.

Bill

PS  In my 8th grade year book, (1972) the answer to the question..."What celebrity does Bill most resemble?"  The class voted Johnny Carson.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 13, 2014, 04:40:10 AM
MH: Well in to beginning my posts were vetted. But my early posts all pertained to helping others find components like caps etc, and I was granted direct posting privileges. Larry is no longer a gate keeper for what I post. I guess he could remove a posting, but I always take a screen shot just in case.

ACG: Bummed out about the Kama thing! I wonder how I can improve my score?  I know how to give others a karma point increase, but I guess nobody feels compelled to give me some karma. My thinking is clearly out of alignment with the crowd over at be-do.

A quick update, 20 people have thus far read my post. I feel sure that I will have a major impact. Be-do activity is like watching paint dry or trying to pour out molasses out side on a cold winters day. Snails looks like they are racing by compared with the activity on the QEG forum. Oh we now have a "Hello from the QEG Team Bangalore, India (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/453-hello-from-the-qeg-team-bangalore-india)". This is starting to feel a bit like the Euro-vision song contest!!!

Here's a Larry posting "The QEG does not create energy from nothing, it merely collects it from the environment around it." I've been thinking and researching a bit lately about using balloons to collect radiant energy from the upper atmosphere. The atmospheric "free" charge density at sea level is rather low, but it's much higher is you go up a few thousand feet. I think that Jamie should attach a wire meshed balloon to his primary tank circuit. Just an idea! Trying to be helpful in a positive way!

Sounds just like Larry.  Seems Shean is doing all the quick interference moves now.  Larry may just be on vacation :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 13, 2014, 04:40:38 AM
"In my 8th grade year book, (1972) the answer to the question..."What celebrity does Bill most resemble?"  The class voted Johnny Carson."

They call it resonance.   ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on June 13, 2014, 09:57:29 AM
@F_Brown
Thanks.
Did you get my pm ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on June 13, 2014, 11:31:04 AM
@F-Brown
Here is: 10ms sim, with as initials conditions:
Speed=6000rpm
Rp=2000ohms  Rs=2Mohms
VCO=7.5KV   ICO=0  I



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 13, 2014, 01:30:56 PM
Very nice! You got the secondary's voltage peaks folding back just as in JR's "Morocco Overunity" shots. MileHigh will be pleased to hear the explanation for these "double peaks".

 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on June 13, 2014, 02:48:48 PM
@TinselKoala
It's d/dt of the flux linkage of the "output" coils '(here.without load).
In the no alignement configuration, the d/dt of the flux is lesser and give these "double peaks".
But why it's only visible 1 time on 2 ?
Because F primary is 1/2 of F secondary. The double pic signal is only visible when max(IPrimary) coïncide with max(Vsecondary), this is only 2 time in one cycle.
So is the QEG geometry. (and for me bad geometry, so bad efficiency!) :)
Good picture later with better time resolution....
And don't forget this sim is with a constant speed (6000rpm), a load (2000ohms) in the HT coil ("primary", 2*3100Turns) and no load on the low voltage (2*350 turns) coils, juste to compare with the good simulation of F_Brown posr: http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg406095/#msg406095.
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 13, 2014, 11:25:25 PM
The Be-Doers and the QEG proponents need to understand the difference between "reactive power" in the sense of the power sent back to the grid, and "activity" in a tank, which is stored in the device and remains active in the device and dissipating energy at our expense not the grid supply power company's expense.

Reactive Power (power grid sense of the term) = power exiting the residence and returned along the lines back to some part of the grid.

Reactive power or Activity, (activity in a tank sense of the term) = Power stored in oscillation between L and C within the device. So the power supply (grid) does not see that as reactive power, and to the grid or energy meter the power factor could be close to 1.0 because not much energy is being returned to the grid. Instead it is being stored in the L/C tank and dissipating energy at our expense.

eg. I can run my spark gap Tesla coil at a power factor of over 0.95 while there is no output except noise, light (from streamers), radiations and heat. 

So if the difference between those two can be explained and understood then it would go a long way to fixing their thinking flaws.

All power released from a "reactor" is "reactive power", per se.

It would be far more efficient to just rewind the QEG core as a transformer and use it as one. Could get over 90% efficiency.

OK Power Factor and transformers is a way to explain it, with an efficient power transformer at idle (unloaded) the power factor is very low because the phase is "away from 0.0 degrees "towards 90 degrees. The idle power consumed is only a small fraction of the power applied. As the load is increased the phase becomes closer to 0.0 degrees and a greater % of the applied power is consumed so the power factor is increased ( meaning the reactive power is reduced in %). And the device is more efficient because at idle there is no output.

Basically the tank circuit stores energy in the device and dissipates some at our expense, Alternatively allowing reactive power back to the grid stores it in the grid and the expense is more theirs. Although we pay for all losses anyway in our billings.

Now without the oscillating power figures what do they have as a team. Nothing much at all.

They might as well go to Tesla's grave and spit on it, they do him a great injustice. And continue to do so. So it's like returning to spit on his grave every day. Despicable behavior.

Fess up or the Karma will get you James, Tell Hope Girl to find another revenue stream. The risk is jail time, think about it.

.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 14, 2014, 04:29:07 AM
qeg in UK coming soon.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrMDAPTiegc

Notice the same m.o.  Filming the arrival of parts just like in Taiwan and Morocco.  Who other than those reaping the benefits of free money care about a truck or van rolling up a driveway unloading a box?  I know I know, going for the whole realism aspect.

I have some advise to cut down on the building time.  Since July is when the qeg team should be heading back to Morocco, instead of starting over from scratch a 3rd time, why not just use the core assembly from Morocco?  Or one of the two that was done in Taiwan.  Oh here is a good one.  How about using the prototype from Pennsylvania!  That way you can skip all the building and all the transverting because the PA qeg is a running working quantum energy over unity generator.
[insert some hours some VARS and some Vpp]
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 14, 2014, 04:37:51 AM
Very nice! You got the secondary's voltage peaks folding back just as in JR's "Morocco Overunity" shots. MileHigh will be pleased to hear the explanation for these "double peaks".

 ;)

I suspect the double peaks may be due to the funky nature of the variable coupling coefficient between the primary and the secondary of the QEG.  From my FEMM analysis it appears that the function for the coupling coefficient takes three arguments, the current in the primary, the current in the secondary, and the rotor position. 

That is another limitation of my SPICE model, it can only simulate the primary of the QEG.

For my SPICE model to handle the secondary it would require the construction of a three dimensional lookup table for the coupling coefficient, which would be a major hassle to even generate the data for let alone actually construct.

Fortunately, Maxwell 3D seems to take this situation easily in stride and just calculates the coupling coefficient right from the CAD model and integrated SPICE functionality.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 14, 2014, 05:30:10 AM
Note the double peak in the FTW video is for the current in the primary, and the double peak in Isim's simulation is for a voltage.  Unfortunately I can't say more than that, I don't know exactly what the circuit is nor do I know where the voltage and current probes are.  English is not Isim's first language also so that makes it a challenge.

F_Brown, you are on the right track for the explanation of the double peaks but I don't think that you are quite there.  The art of simulation is to have it do a somewhat decent replication of the waveforms of the actual device.  Then you can tweak the simulation to make your waveforms more closely match the actual waveforms by playing with component values and stuff like that.  I watched Poynt99 do this several times for another series of ciruits.  Of course this thing is hard to simulate with a basic circuit simulator.  On top of that you don't have a "clean" set of waveforms for a standard QEG device as a reference.

Not much on the news front in terms of real progress either.  It looks like Jamie is outputting a partial technical bulletin about once per month.  We are in glacier territory, which is not a surprise.  The art of drawing stuff out for years is common in the "industry."

We will see if any QEG teams can put out a clean set of waveforms, including a waveform for the angular position of the rotor.  A very interesting set of waveforms would be for the flux through the different quadrants of the core.  That's a tangible and realizable challenge for all of the QEG groups.  They could compare their waveform sets and see if they are all on the same track.  The real question is are there qualified people in the groups to do this, or, are there people that are willing to learn?

Let's be idealistic and assume that you have 10 QEG groups that all share their waveforms and they are all about the same.  Let's assume that that they are all running between 30% and 40% efficient for the standard setup with the six light bulbs for the load.

That establishes a "QEG baseline" that all of the ardent QEG groups start at.  They let them all go nuts and twist dials and change loads and try anything they can.  Then they can record their new sets of waveforms and see if there is any sign of the Magic Spike.

If that actually happened, they would soon start to converge on the conclusion - the conclusion that the Magic Spike is nowhere to be seen and every attempted tweak will change their waveforms, but not fundamentally alter the bacic properties of the setup - a lousy generator.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 14, 2014, 05:39:36 AM
PCB:

I see that you got a reply:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/451-please-explain-what-does-var-mean

Quote
It comes down to proper handling of a Lenz law reverse flux response, and it is not that somehow Lenz's law is violated or cancelled, but rather harnessed in a different manner so that underlying mechanisms that allow an over unity condition to flourish, are allowed to do their work without disruption.

That sounds like Wayne Travis!  lol

Vgray35 speaks with a bifilar tongue.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 14, 2014, 05:44:21 AM
Quote
I suspect the double peaks may be due to the funky nature of the variable coupling coefficient between the primary and the secondary of the QEG.  From my FEMM analysis it appears that the function for the coupling coefficient takes three arguments, the current in the primary, the current in the secondary, and the rotor position. 
I was thinking the double peak was due to the variable inductance of the primary, swinging between two values (12H and 20H). I assume the resonant point is the average of the two extremes??


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 14, 2014, 05:46:04 AM


Vgray35 speaks with a bifilar tongue.

MileHigh

Did you just come up with this term?  That is excellent and should be adapted to bumper stickers and t-shirts and become part of our lexicon and vernacular.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 14, 2014, 05:52:22 AM
Bill:

Yes just made it up.

PCB:

You are close, but you are just making an observation and not actually explaining, similar to F_Brown.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 14, 2014, 07:05:08 AM
F_Brown 

I appreciate the work you have done in constructing this model and posting it here for others to work with it.  I was wondering what the dynamics of the primary tank circuit are in your sim?  Ariovaldo has posted some values for the primary in his build. Rotor frequency 235 Hz. High voltage primary coil ( 3100 turns of 20 awg wire) 33 Ohms, 13 Henry without rotor, 18 Henry with the rotor. Primary capacitance 0.16 uF. With these values the time constant for the primary would I guess be that of the inductor. t=L/R or about 0.54 secs.  Simon Derricutt calculated that at 7 KV peak-to-peak ( primary ac voltage)  that about 4 Joules of energy would build up in the circuit due to the capacitance in the circuit at resonance. What do your simulations show? So I estimate that it would take at least 2 secs to build up that amount of energy (4xt). After time t the amount of energy would be 4J * 0.63 or 2.52J

MH: Need to prepare my response to be-do  ;D

There is a great deal of focus on extracting power out of the primary using a "transverter". That is to harvest some of the stored energy in the primary tank circuit. The questions is how much energy could be extracted, while setting aside how this might be done.  At 235 Hz the cycle time is 0.0043s (not sure if I'm correctly taking into account  the number of poles here?)   Then one could only extract 2.52 * (1 -exp (-0.0043/0.54)) = 2.53J *0.00785 = 0.0198 or  0.02J per cycle and for it to be replenished. So total power that could be extracted and replenished because of the time constant of the inductor is 235 * 0.02J =  4.7 Watts. Whow! have I done this right??? Perhaps some folks here might also do the calculation its real late. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 14, 2014, 08:26:26 AM
PCB:

I see that you got a reply:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/451-please-explain-what-does-var-mean

That sounds like Wayne Travis!  lol

Vgray35 speaks with a bifilar tongue.

MileHigh
Wow that quote was hilarious.  Someone might ask the poster if he realizes that Lenz' Law only determines direction.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 14, 2014, 03:44:58 PM
F_Brown 

I appreciate the work you have done in constructing this model and posting it here for others to work with it.  I was wondering what the dynamics of the primary tank circuit are in your sim?  Ariovaldo has posted some values for the primary in his build. Rotor frequency 235 Hz. High voltage primary coil ( 3100 turns of 20 awg wire) 33 Ohms, 13 Henry without rotor, 18 Henry with the rotor. Primary capacitance 0.16 uF. With these values the time constant for the primary would I guess be that of the inductor. t=L/R or about 0.54 secs.  Simon Derricutt calculated that at 7 KV peak-to-peak ( primary ac voltage)  that about 4 Joules of energy would build up in the circuit due to the capacitance in the circuit at resonance. What do your simulations show? So I estimate that it would take at least 2 secs to build up that amount of energy (4xt). After time t the amount of energy would be 4J * 0.63 or 2.52J

In this situation a simple measurement with a hand-held inductance meter at a single tiny current level is going to be of very little use because the inductance of the primary as well secondary vary greatly with current.  You have to go back in this thread I think around the pages in the 80's or so to find the graphs from my FEMM analysis data that shows the winding inductances vs rotor position and winding current.  I'm unsure of where I put them at the moment.

As for my SPICE model, it fails to indicate the inductance range explicitly on the schematic, because the inductance data is buried in the inductance lookup table, although if you run the model and display a trace of the H node you can see the dynamic value of the primary inductance in the circuit(see attached image)

Quote

MH: Need to prepare my response to be-do  ;D

There is a great deal of focus on extracting power out of the primary using a "transverter". That is to harvest some of the stored energy in the primary tank circuit. The questions is how much energy could be extracted, while setting aside how this might be done.  At 235 Hz the cycle time is 0.0043s (not sure if I'm correctly taking into account  the number of poles here?)   Then one could only extract 2.52 * (1 -exp (-0.0043/0.54)) = 2.53J *0.00785 = 0.0198 or  0.02J per cycle and for it to be replenished. So total power that could be extracted and replenished because of the time constant of the inductor is 235 * 0.02J =  4.7 Watts. Whow! have I done this right??? Perhaps some folks here might also do the calculation its real late.


I believe I found what may be a better way to get energy out of the QEG primary.  That is with an external step-down transformer with a parallel phase correction capacitor placed in series with the primary.  In this case the secondary on the QEG core can be omitted.  Also this method completely avoids having to deal with the funky variable coupling coefficient between the primary and secondary of the QEG.   In simulation this method is able to extract greater than 10kW of power from the primary of the QEG at up to about 70% efficiency. 

In the image here, the green trace is the inductance of the primary in henrys read on the voltage scale, the blue trace is the rotor position ramping repeated through 90 degrees rotation read on the voltage scale(this is because the FEMM analysis only generated data for 90 degrees of rotation and this works because of the symmetric and repetitive nature of the rest of the rotation), and the red trace is the current in the primary read on the amp scale after the system has stablized.

Looking at this myself, it's interesting to note that the primary inductance peaks when the rotor is best aligned with a pole.  The FEMM analysis showed that the primary inductance peaked when the rotor was best aligned with a pole and the primary current was at about 138mA.  This also seem to be close to the primary current in the simulation when the inductance is peaking in the image below.

Another interesting thing to note is that the current in the primary is rising when the inductance is falling.  Somebody previously mentioned in their analysis of variable inductance that in order for the energy in a circuit to be conserved during a decrease in the value of an inductor, the current in the circuit would have to increase, and vice-versa, with increasing here meaning moving away from zero for AC current.  The image below correlates well with that idea considering the inductor here is also part of a tank circuit.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cisco on June 14, 2014, 07:20:49 PM

They might as well go to Tesla's grave and spit on it, they do him a great injustice. And continue to do so. So it's like returning to spit on his grave every day. Despicable behavior.


This is similar to what Mylow actually did when he visited Howard Johnson's grave in mock reverence. Mylow had likewise claimed to have designed his phoney magnetic motor based on Howard Johnson's magnetic device and patent. Such drama! I gotta go, even my cat is barfing now.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 14, 2014, 08:28:40 PM
F_Brown:

That last set of waveforms you posted along with your observations is very informative and does does a great job of summarizing the general dynamics and principles at play in the QEG.  Between yourself and PCB I think that you are 80% of the way there.

So, I am going to repost the screen cap of the QEG primary voltage and current from the FTW clip.  See if the two of you can put it all together and explain the waveforms in simple terms, and relate that to the "events" that you see in the waveform.

As a reminder for the readers, yellow is the cap voltage and blue is the current.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 14, 2014, 09:08:55 PM
Through this whole debacle I have grown progressively more suspicious of anything put forth by FTW.  It almost seems as if Jamie is deliberately trying to get the strangest waveform possible before shouting, "Eureka, Over-Unity!"

If you want to make sense of it all, I suggest examining waveforms from replicators like Ari, whose results are much closer to what my sim produces.

Anyway if I'm reading the scope correctly, the blue trace in the image you posted is only 179mV peak to peak.  That's practically noise.

What is that even suppose to be?  How is it being measured?

If that is suppose to represent a current, how are they converting the current to a voltage signal?

If they are using a current transformer to convert the current to a voltage, maybe that fold-back dip is an artifact product by the inductance of the CT...

I would think in this case it would be better to use two scope channels in differential mode across a low value current sense resistor, in order to eliminate any interaction of the inductance of a current transformer with the QEG circuit.

Is there a schematic of the test setup, like Ari posted?

Are there additional "exciter" coils connected to that circuit?

I believe I've seen that video, although if you post a link I'll review it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 14, 2014, 10:07:03 PM
Through this whole debacle I have grown progressively more suspicious of anything put forth by FTW.  It almost seems as if Jamie is deliberately trying to get the strangest waveform possible before shouting, "Eureka, Over-Unity!"

If you want to make sense of it all, I suggest examining waveforms from replicators like Ari, whose results are much closer to what my sim produces.

Anyway if I'm reading the scope correctly, the blue trace in the image you posted is only 179mV peak to peak.  That's practically noise.

What is that even suppose to be?  How is it being measured?

If that is suppose to represent a current, how are they converting the current to a voltage signal?

If they are using a current transformer to convert the current to a voltage, maybe that fold-back dip is an artifact product by the inductance of the CT...

I would think in this case it would be better to use two scope channels in differential mode across a low value current sense resistor, in order to eliminate any interaction of the inductance of a current transformer with the QEG circuit.

Is there a schematic of the test setup, like Ari posted?

Are there additional "exciter" coils connected to that circuit?

I believe I've seen that video, although if you post a link I'll review it.
FTW has said that the 179mV reading is the current sense at 10A/V: 1.79A.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 14, 2014, 10:21:01 PM
FTW has said that the 179mV reading is the current sense at 10A/V: 1.79A.

It's my impression that current sense transformers are for AC sinewave currents rather then arbitrary waveform signals.  I believe they said on one point there were using a CT to track the current.  So, is the one they are using going to accurately track at that frequency?

Anyway, with the voltage at 15V peak to peak and the current at 1.8A peak to peak what is that supposed to be the primary or the secondary?

There are too many unknowns here to really say anything definite about it at all.  I think that's the point and the strategy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 14, 2014, 10:29:15 PM

This is similar to what Mylow actually did when he visited Howard Johnson's grave in mock reverence. Mylow had likewise claimed to have designed his phoney magnetic motor based on Howard Johnson's magnetic device and patent. Such drama! I gotta go, even my cat is barfing now.

Excellent comparison!  But, there is one major difference...Mylow (That scumbag) was not selling anything, although he did cause a lot of folks to waste a lot of their hard earned money on doomed replications which is also terrible and despicable.  The FTW folks are doing the same thing AND profiting nicely from it.  Shameful...very shameful indeed.  Karma will indeed catch up with them one day...and soon I hope.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on June 15, 2014, 12:42:11 AM
So, I am going to repost the screen cap of the QEG primary voltage and current from the FTW clip.  See if the two of you can put it all together and explain the waveforms in simple terms, and relate that to the "events" that you see in the waveform.

As a reminder for the readers, yellow is the cap voltage and blue is the current.

MileHigh

I will give a little bit more input here. Take a look at the attached waveforms which I posted earlier. At integer rotation numbers (e.g. 181, 182, 183 in the graph), the rotor is aligned with the stator tip (0deg, 90deg, 180deg, 360deg). This is exactly when you see the dips in the primary current....
Also note that when half way in between two stator tips (45deg, 135deg, 225deg, 315deg), you see an extreme in the secondary current....

 8) PmgR
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 15, 2014, 01:24:56 AM
You guys basically got it.

Here is the clip:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhd0Ebygriw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhd0Ebygriw)

I will do a repost of the screen capture and explain it in terms of energy and cause and effect.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 15, 2014, 02:11:17 AM
The entire process can be explained by looking at the the positive sloped portion of the voltage waveform in the center of the scope display.  The exact same thing happens in the reverse direction when the voltage waveform has a negative slope.

Looking at the LC resonator from the capacitor's viewpoint, you can see the current is leading the voltage by a bit less than 90 degrees.  It's a little less than 90 degrees because of the resistive losses and resistive coupling into the light bulb load through the transformer action.  We will ignore that to keep it simple.

At 3.4 divisions, the capacitor is fully charged and the blue current has stopped flowing.  That's the start of the discharge cycle of the cap into the variable-inductance coil.

You can see how the current takes off at a very high rate at 3.4 divisions.  This is due to the fact that the inductance is low, and you know that low inductance happens when the rotor is not aligned with the poles.

The cap continues to discharge and at the first current "peak" it starts to decrease.  That's when the rotor is starting to align with the poles and the effective inductance starts to increase.  So the current decreases because of the conservation of energy, it has to decrease because the magnetic energy in the inductance is rising slowly, and the inductance is increasing much more quickly than the magnetic energy is increasing.  The only way for the energy to be conserved is for the current to decrease.  This is like the spinning figure skater extending his or her arms and slowing down.

Again:  Note that during this whole time the capacitor is still discharging into the inductor.  So although you see the current decreasing, the magnetic energy stored in the inductor is still increasing.

Note that the slope of the capacitor waveform decreases when the inductance starts to increase, which makes perfect sense.

So the bottom of the current trough at 5.2 divisions or thereabouts corresponds to when the rotor is aligned with the poles in the QEG toroid.

At 5.0 divisions we see that the capacitor is discharged.  This is the "hand off" point where the variable inductance takes over and starts to dump its magnetic energy into the capacitor.

Now you have a similar "contrarian" process taking place.  Starting at 5.2 divisions, you see the current in the variable inductor increasing, but the amount of magnetic energy is decreasing and being used to charge the capacitor.  This is all due to conservation of energy one more time.  This is the time when the rotor is starting to leave the poles and go out of alignment again and therefore the value of inductance is decreasing.

Then at about 6.0 divisions, the rotor moves out of alignment with the poles and the inductance drops dramatically.  At the same time, the inductance is running out of stored energy, and the voltage on the capacitor is very high, meaning its absolute equivalent resistance is high, and so the current drops like a stone.

At about 6.7 divisions the inductor is fully discharged, and the capacitor is fully charged, and the whole process starts all over again, but in the opposite direction.

So, sorry for the long winded explanation but I think it's a good exercise, especially for the QEG builder-lurkers.

In simplified terms we are still looking at an energy exchange like any LC resonator.  The current may appear to have a funky double-peak waveform, but that's just a fake-out from Mother Nature.  The magnetic energy and electrostatic energy is still cycling back and forth in a smooth fashion.

Anyway, to be conservative, this would have to be verified on the bench.  You would want to set up something to verify the angular position of the rotor.  However, the logic and the simulations indicate this, so I will be so bold as to suggest that it would just be a formality.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 15, 2014, 02:26:49 AM
Pmgr:

Can you reduce the size of your graphic to make the page more readable?

Thanks,

MileHigh

P.S.:  Thank you!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 15, 2014, 02:46:58 AM
Now a brain teaser for all the QEG emo-builders!  (or anybody else except those that voluntarily disqualify themselves!)

What's an equivalent for an infinitely large capacitor?

What's an equivalent for an infinitely large inductor?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 15, 2014, 02:48:12 AM
Hey Roger, good to see you chiming in.  How did you work out the variable coupling coefficient?

If the foldback is due to some interaction between the primary and secondary, my model without any secondary consideration is going to fail to simulate that phenomenon.  Because the foldback is showing up in Jamie's video as well as the models that take the secondary in to account, I expect now that is the case.

I watched half of the video then decided to download it because it kept halting over my slow internet connection.  At about 10:30 it sounds like Jamie said there's 14.4 kilo watts of reactive power in the primary.  I find this absurd, for there is only a few joules of energy oscillating in the primary at the resonant frequency.  We've been all through this earlier on in this thread about how misleading it can be to attempt to claim that the RMS current in the primary times the RMS voltage in the primary yields any kind of a useful figure, because the current and voltage are 90 degree out of phase.  This was Joseph Newman's strategy, and he failed in spite of over two decades of claiming and trying to prove that his device could ever convert the huge amount of "Reactive Power" oscillating in it to a form that could be used to do something more useful than just deflecting meter needles.  In other words he failed to show his device ever output any more power than was input to it.

Aside from that Jamie appears to have a four channel scope there.  That is capable of using two channels in differential mode with a current sense resistor to display current data, and the other two channels for voltage tracking.  I would ground the connection between the two starts of the windings, and insert the current sense resistor on one side of that ground connection.  The voltage there would be low.  I been wondering all along why Jamie's allowed that point to float in the first place.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on June 15, 2014, 02:59:14 AM
Can you reduce the size of your graphic to make the page more readable?

@MH:

Shrunk the picture.

Very nice write up. I don't think I could have written it down that clearly!

@F_Brown

The fold back (dip) will also occur without having a secondary.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 15, 2014, 03:08:54 AM
Pmgr:

Thanks and thanks and I hope that James M. is reading!  lol

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 15, 2014, 03:11:37 AM
@F_Brown

The fold back (dip) will also occur without having a secondary.

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I'm having trouble getting my model to produce such.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on June 15, 2014, 03:29:46 AM
I'm having trouble getting my model to produce such.
@F_Brown:

The location of the dip can be fine tuned by the LCR parameters of the primary. If it goes off to one side, it will look like you have a single current peak with a small bump on it and you will not be able to see a clear dip. You should be able to fine tune the position of the dip with the capacitance value so it will show up exactly in the middle of the primary current peaks and then you should see a clear dip.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 15, 2014, 03:31:01 AM
Well, Well done to all who have helped to analyse the QEG, this thread has shed more light on the operation of the QEG than the QEG team ever could or I should say would.

It seems kind of a waste of time to spend too much more time analysing the hell out of a less than 50% efficient machine.

But i'm not here to suggest what people should do with their time, as long as there is no crazy claim attributed to Tesla and no one is being scammed I say go for it. If they didn't include Tesla's good name and piss on it while duping people out of their money a lot less people would have cared, they might have gone unnoticed. But when they use Tesla's name for no good reason to promote a scam they get people real angry. Seriously, if I was a conspiracy suspicious person I might think they actually work for some agency in a weird, "make the entire free energy movement look all nuts" type conspiracy, paid by the same folks that pay Keshe and Meyl and Don Smith ect. ect. and a guy whose name begins with J.B. and cohorts and so on and so on.

I mean really come on, lets be realistic. Why would anyone think there is any possibility of the device becoming over 100% efficient ?

They have claimed to already have OU, I propose the OU they thought they had was just oscillating power in the tank. So there was never any OU in the first place and the efficiency of the so called OU prototype was almost definitely less than 50%. So to me it looks like a definite scam.

And going by the "rules" of the "pie in the skyer's" I say they should provide proof that it isn't a scam, if they can't then it must be a scam. Same as when they say prove it is a scam or it isn't.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 15, 2014, 03:47:45 AM
Now a brain teaser for all the QEG emo-builders!  (or anybody else except those that voluntarily disqualify themselves!)

What's an equivalent for an infinitely large capacitor?

What's an equivalent for an infinitely large inductor?

I'll give it a go:

First answer is open circuit.

Second answer is short circuit.

Was I close?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 15, 2014, 04:00:04 AM
@F_Brown:

The location of the dip can be fine tuned by the LCR parameters of the primary. If it goes off to one side, it will look like you have a single current peak with a small bump on it and you will not be able to see a clear dip. You should be able to fine tune the position of the dip with the capacitance value so it will show up exactly in the middle of the primary current peaks and then you should see a clear dip.

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The best I get is some sight asymmetrical deformations one way or the other, although significantly less than a dip.  Light load, heavy load, drive speed sift, etc all the variables I can think of to tweak fail to produce a dip like that.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on June 15, 2014, 04:18:11 AM
I'll give it a go:

First answer is open circuit.

Second answer is short circuit.

Was I close?

Bill

I'll give a hint:

Impedance of a capacitor is Z = 1/(j omega C)
Impedance of an inductor is Z = j omega L

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 15, 2014, 05:56:26 AM
What's an equivalent for an infinitely large inductor?

Not sure about size but infinite Farad is today's national debt and infinite Henry is infinite Ohm.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 15, 2014, 07:13:53 AM
Inductors are analagous to inertial mass.  It is very hard to quickly change the current in a really big inductor.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gravityblock on June 15, 2014, 08:23:41 AM
Deleted.  Posted in wrong thread by accident.

Gravock
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 15, 2014, 12:26:51 PM

(http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/dlattach/attach/139337/image// (http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/dlattach/attach/139337/image//))

F_Brown. I just opened up your simulation, trying to get some familiarity with it. Thank's very much for posting. Not able as yet produce this current wave form. I assume the inductance varies as the rotor passes past the pole? What values does it assume? How can I plot this? I'm an LT novice.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 15, 2014, 03:23:47 PM
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/14/uk-qeg-coming-soon/

UK QEG coming soon!

Or so HopeGirl would like you to believe.  So Team FTW is setting up in the UK and they are finishing off the work on their new lab space.

The pressure is now really on for James to build (yet another) QEG and demonstrate over unity and make it self-run.  They have to "really get it this time."  Then they are supposed to go back to Morocco to finish of their QEG.

There is no rational reason to go back to Morocco unless they get the QEG to self-run and output power in the UK first.

I can feel the stress in the FTW psychic bubble already.  It's going to be an interesting few weeks.  I think that the vibe is going to be a lot different from the ardent followers and from the money donators by the end of July.

QEG 2016!

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 15, 2014, 04:52:47 PM
(http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/dlattach/attach/139337/image// (http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/dlattach/attach/139337/image//))

F_Brown. I just opened up your simulation, trying to get some familiarity with it. Thank's very much for posting. Not able as yet produce this current wave form. I assume the inductance varies as the rotor passes past the pole? What values does it assume? How can I plot this? I'm an LT novice.

My model apparently fails to produce that wave form.  You can plot the inductance value of the primary by running the model then clicking on the H node.  It's on the right side of the inductance table symbol.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 15, 2014, 10:19:52 PM
The QEG core for the UK is done, picture attached.  It's looks like the whole thing was put into a mould and then they filled the mould with a transparent epoxy.

It may look pretty, but it's nothing more than a pretty prop in support of a fake free energy proposition at this point.  It will deliver unremarkable performance in the 30% to 40% efficiency range for the standard test were they drive six light bulbs.   Of course, it's supposed to be able to drive something like 90 or 100 100-watt light bulbs, I wonder if they are preparing the light bulb load bank for that.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 15, 2014, 10:36:29 PM
MH:

What is the answer to the questions that you asked?

Was I close?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 15, 2014, 10:38:29 PM
Bill,

You got the answers backwards.  Perhaps it was a slip of the keyboard?

An infinitely large capacitor looks like a short circuit, an infinitely large inductor looks like an open circuit.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 15, 2014, 10:47:50 PM
Bill,

You got the answers backwards.  Perhaps it was a slip of the keyboard?

An infinitely large capacitor looks like a short circuit, an infinitely large inductor looks like an open circuit.

MileHigh

More like a slip of the brain.  But thanks...at least I was close....sort of. (in a dyslexic sort of way)

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 16, 2014, 12:31:16 AM
Well, at least they will be able to gong Jamie when he fails to produce OU in the UK...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 16, 2014, 01:57:52 AM
The QEG core for the UK is done, picture attached.  It's looks like the whole thing was put into a mould and then they filled the mould with a transparent epoxy.

It may look pretty, but it's nothing more than a pretty prop in support of a fake free energy proposition at this point.  It will deliver unremarkable performance in the 30% to 40% efficiency range for the standard test were they drive six light bulbs.   Of course, it's supposed to be able to drive something like 90 or 100 100-watt light bulbs, I wonder if they are preparing the light bulb load bank for that.

MileHigh
This is the new MKII potted HV core, being done by I think by a Florida company. It comes I believe with an OU certificate.  The next three or four weeks are key as you say MH. No more excuses now that they have a fully equipment lab in a 1st world country with excellent Internet access for reporting minute by minute progress. I'd like to hear from you guys what you think will be the theme of the next fund raising campaign from HopelessGirl. They have successful pitched overunity in VARs, so what next? I do not feel that a sufficiently good  job has been done to knock this one down on be-do. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 16, 2014, 02:03:27 AM
This is the new MKII potted HV core, being done by I think by a Florida company. It comes I believe with an OU certificate.  The next three or four weeks are key as you say MH. No more excuses now that they have a fully equipment lab in a 1st world country with excellent Internet access for reporting minute by minute progress. I'd like to hear from you guys what you think will be the theme of the next fund raising campaign from HopelessGirl. They have successful pitched overunity in VARs, so what next? I do not feel that a sufficiently good  job has been done to knock this one down on be-do.
According to the John Worrell Keely script, the next move will be to claim discovery of a wonderful new improvement that will take more time and money to construct.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 16, 2014, 05:15:12 AM
Somebody on be-do brought the to my attention:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDjWwoD83Rk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDjWwoD83Rk)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 16, 2014, 05:45:59 AM
There is a thread on the Energetic Forum and there will be a presentation at the 2014 conference being done by Aaron Murakami.

In the beginning of the clip they talk about the switching timing being the key, and so on.  The basic prediction is that it will be an inconclusive demo and it then end up as nothing more than a thread on EF.

It's the same old story - if it was real it would shake the world and possibly be the biggest story of the 21st century.  I am betting on the thread.

MileHigh

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 16, 2014, 05:50:57 AM
This is the new MKII potted HV core, being done by I think by a Florida company. It comes I believe with an OU certificate.  The next three or four weeks are key as you say MH. No more excuses now that they have a fully equipment lab in a 1st world country with excellent Internet access for reporting minute by minute progress. I'd like to hear from you guys what you think will be the theme of the next fund raising campaign from HopelessGirl. They have successful pitched overunity in VARs, so what next? I do not feel that a sufficiently good  job has been done to knock this one down on be-do.

The next major fund generating video and blog will be "UK has RESONANCE!!!"  About June 20th - 23th.
It will be uploaded to the following youtube accounts: be-do com, thepowersthatbe, hopegirl587, rewirth
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 16, 2014, 06:04:02 AM
I was researching into resonance when I was just five!  I was also heavily into flywheel power at six.   ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 16, 2014, 06:50:21 AM
There is a thread on the Energetic Forum and there will be a presentation at the 2014 conference being done by Aaron Murakami.

In the beginning of the clip they talk about the switching timing being the key, and so on.  The basic prediction is that it will be an inconclusive demo and it then end up as nothing more than a thread on EF.
The only reasons it will be "inconclusive" are 1) Err-on's facile redefinition of what "overunity" actually means... once again he's deliberately confusing it with the legit concept of heat-pump COP. He fails to realize that even a heatpump with, say, a COP of 20 could be "self looped" with an ordinary thermoelectric generator device or steam powerplant ... and then it would be clear that it's really running on the "COP" energy provided by the environment. Instead of moving the energy from outdoors to indoors, it will be running on it.
And 2) They won't make proper measurements or interpretations. But we know that some of them, at least, do know how to do it right. So there will be a certain amount of apologetics and hand-waving to explain why, in this particular instance, it wasn't done.

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It's the same old story - if it was real it would shake the world and possibly be the biggest story of the 21st century.  I am betting on the thread.

MileHigh

Meanwhile.... Luc knows what end of the stick to shake, and how.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJQvqTpBdiQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJQvqTpBdiQ)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on June 16, 2014, 03:45:08 PM

I in my air transformers be get overunity in VARs 100 times maybe more output, than input, but this in VARs.
Maybe they never get overunity.
In VARs overunity is not overunity.  :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 16, 2014, 08:11:57 PM
VARs?

What a VARs?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on June 16, 2014, 08:24:28 PM
Value Added Reseller or Voltage Amps Reactive.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on June 16, 2014, 09:35:28 PM
The problem is that VARS in a network is different than VARS in a generator.
Vars in a network is an extra cost option.

In a generator; OU = fgen(VARS)     ";" = could well be      In which case VARS would not be available.

OU energy must come out.   No fair running in your own space.  8)

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 16, 2014, 10:55:09 PM
The new MKII potted core actually looks beautiful.

According to the John Worrell Keely script, the next move will be to claim discovery of a wonderful new improvement that will take more time and money to construct.

I think we are already there.  With the comments by Jamie about recovering "Reactive Power" via switching in the last video and the topic of discussion in the vid from the be-do page that PCB posted a link to featuring Jim Murray and Paul Babcock I can see the strategic pivot on the horizon.

What the QEG needs now is "Fly-Back Switching" and that's all it needs.  Fly-back switching will make it work.  Yeah, that's the ticket...

From Paul's brief description of "his" switching method, it sounds like what is called a bi-directional switch.  These have been well know for a long time and heavy duty commercial modules are widely available in many sizes for traction drives.   Basically it's just two back to back mosfets. so assembled as to block current in both directions when off and allow current in both directions when on.

As a matter a fact I spent some months developing my own bidirectional switch modules a couple of years ago when I looked into making a solid state version of the mechanical commutator used in Tesla Switches.

To make a bidirectional switch into a "fly-back switch" I presume all one has to do is to just add in some diodes to direct and recapture the transient spike from inductors when the switch turns off.

I find Murray and Babcock particularly hypocritical saying in their interview that independent researchers should refrain from trying hoard and secure their discoveries behind patents, while at the same time that seems to be exactly what both of them have done.

This sounds all too familiar:  "We got patents on the way.  All we need now are some [perpetually] forward looking investors..."

If any particular free energy device is ever found to work the only way I see it becoming successful is if the developer commits it into the public domain.  This seems to be the only thing FTW has managed to do right so far.
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Post by: F_Brown on June 16, 2014, 10:55:32 PM
Double post removed.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 17, 2014, 02:20:40 AM
Scammers?
https://www.facebook.com/hope.moore.965
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 17, 2014, 04:24:37 AM
The new MKII potted core actually looks beautiful.

I think we are already there.  With the comments by Jamie about recovering "Reactive Power" via switching in the last video and the topic of discussion in the vid from the be-do page that PCB posted a link to featuring Jim Murray and Paul Babcock I can see the strategic pivot on the horizon.

What the QEG needs now is "Fly-Back Switching" and that's all it needs.  Fly-back switching will make it work.  Yeah, that's the ticket...

From Paul's brief description of "his" switching method, it sounds like what is called a bi-directional switch.  These have been well know for a long time and heavy duty commercial modules are widely available in many sizes for traction drives.   Basically it's just two back to back mosfets. so assembled as to block current in both directions when off and allow current in both directions when on.
Every mechanical hard drive in the world has such a switch in it to power a head retract on power fail function.
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As a matter a fact I spent some months developing my own bidirectional switch modules a couple of years ago when I looked into making a solid state version of the mechanical commutator used in Tesla Switches.
It is a very useful and widely used construct.
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To make a bidirectional switch into a "fly-back switch" I presume all one has to do is to just add in some diodes to direct and recapture the transient spike from inductors when the switch turns off.

I find Murray and Babcock particularly hypocritical saying in their interview that independent researchers should refrain from trying hoard and secure their discoveries behind patents, while at the same time that seems to be exactly what both of them have done.

This sounds all too familiar:  "We got patents on the way.  All we need now are some [perpetually] forward looking investors..."

If any particular free energy device is ever found to work the only way I see it becoming successful is if the developer commits it into the public domain.  This seems to be the only thing FTW has managed to do right so far.
I would disagree with any contention that they have released any useful technical information to the public domain.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 17, 2014, 06:27:19 AM
I would disagree with any contention that they have released any useful technical information to the public domain.

It would be difficult to argue with that.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 17, 2014, 06:58:16 AM
What next on the tech front?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 17, 2014, 09:49:15 AM
I dunno, but potting the entire coil in clear epoxy was a stroke of genius! It makes the whole coil assembly totally unrepairable and reduces cooling by a whole bunch. Not to mention the fact that it cannot be done "at home" by people who are not skilled and experienced in the art of vacuum impregnation of large items with epoxy. Any clue as to how much it cost to have that done by professionals?

I wonder if JR is the ShopVac "engineering artist" responsible for the silly "1x1" small vacuum. This size vac is very convenient but the folks at SV must never actually use this product at home. Maybe they use a Rigid instead.
The line cord is too short; you need an extension cord in order to have a reasonable range from a socket. There is no convenient cord storage method for the line cord itself much less the needed extension. But at least they provided a clip on the line plug so the cord can be wrapped around and clipped. Unsightly but at least possible.
The hose is _not detachable_ without opening the unit, so it's not possible to just unplug the hose for storage. And of course there is no convenient place to stow the hose while it's connected.
But worse... the hose is _too short_. You cannot set the unit on the ground, you have to hold it in one hand, otherwise the hose won't reach what you are trying to vacuum.
And even worse... where the hose attaches to the vacuum body, there is a flow restriction, so the vacuum clogs at this point frequently. So not only does the hose not detach without opening, you have to open the body frequently, detach the hose and clear this clog caused by their choice of location for the fitting! And of course the volume is so small and most of it is taken up by the motor and mechanism, which comes out when you open and raise the top part... debris and dust comes spilling out when you do.
And the brush attachment for the hose is just stupid. After a few uses the bristles all bend inward toward the hose opening and block it.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 17, 2014, 12:00:21 PM
Even better, just think what it does for static and dynamic balance!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MenofFather on June 17, 2014, 03:22:02 PM
VARs?

What a VARs?
VAR is voltage x amperage reactive. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 17, 2014, 04:42:36 PM
I dunno, but potting the entire coil in clear epoxy was a stroke of genius! It makes the whole coil assembly totally unrepairable and reduces cooling by a whole bunch. Not to mention the fact that it cannot be done "at home" by people who are not skilled and experienced in the art of vacuum impregnation of large items with epoxy.

I got that the moment I looked at it.

Back when I was a teenager in the late seventies, the kids in my neighborhood use to have a saying about cars:  "If it don't go fast, chrome it."  You know, put a chrome air cleaner, valve covers, and other aesthetically pleasing items on engine to at least make it look like it goes fast.   

Well, the new core is very shiny!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 18, 2014, 02:39:48 AM
They can surround it with Peltier modules!  That is the quantum key!  lol

In my destructo career one of the fun things was to carefully pull a voicecoil out of an old speaker.  Then fold it up into a tight ball and connect a D cell across it and wait.  In a few seconds it starts to glow a nice orange.

I must have ripped apart stuff from about five to about fifteen.  Ah the smell of the inside of a Japanese transistor radio!  lol  It's interesting how a whole way of manufacturing things has gone away.  There were guts inside a transistor radio!  I ripped apart every toy tin car I had when the gearbox failed to get at the flywheel.  The flywheel became a miniature top to play with.

That's a perfect segue to playing veejay....  Toy cars and mayhem...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sjee_Rj-ERk

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 18, 2014, 09:06:07 AM
Did anyone pull this up before she deleted it.
https://www.facebook.com/hope.moore.965
The last line was a call to expose all scams and scammers to be exposed.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 19, 2014, 12:12:20 AM
Most of the QEG videos have now had their comments disabled and removed and even some of the "descriptions" have been removed, like the video from last September where she said they only need 7900 dollars or something like that and will have a working prototype built in "5 weeks".

The process of correcting the past has begun.

The "be-do" website is a real hoot too. Moribund and stultifying. Look at the "technical suggestions" portion..... there are two whole technical suggestions. One to use a telephone modem protector sealed gap for a spark gap..... HOOT! And the other is to _drop a core_ to see if it rings like a bell at 200 Hz, then compute the necessary capacitor based on that.

The "news from morocco": the last post is the lying post from MelB from June 4.... two weeks ago... that claims "overunity" and shows the "QEG team getting ready" sitting around a table in an English pub.

The only person who is actually doing any work and reporting it is our Ariovaldo.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 19, 2014, 12:52:04 AM
There is a nice guy on YouTube named Kevin Blundell.  He is a QEG builder.  There was some debate on one of his QEG clips over the past few  weeks and a few days ago he commented and expressed his opinion.  So I commented back today and I thought it might be worth it to repost it here.

You see the two attitudes and the two sides of the debate.  It's the famous struggle of the "two cultures," the Great Divide, illustrated with this micro-example:

Kevin Blundell:

"For all you doubters,all I can say is wait and see.  This is not a scam.  It is a humanitarian mission. But go ahead and keep on bashing.....nothing you say here is going to stop the inevitable.  Free energy is coming to planet earth so you might as well collect you pay from the oil companies and cash out now, shills.  Have a nice day.  The future belongs to the people of this planet and you can't stop us anymore."

Me:

"Kevin, you owe it to yourself to read all of the QEG thread on overunity dawt calm.  I am MileHigh on that thread.  I also was an electrical engineer.  Look at the technology being discussed in detail on that thread.  Sure there are crazy moments on the thread and cat calls and attitude at times, but there is also solid technical information beyond anything you see on the Be-Do forum.  I also am a person of this planet and my aims and my goals are just as pure and true as yours are.  You have to see another viewpoint on this whole thing.  Go ahead and build it, nobody is stopping you.  It's your choice.  But the reality of what you have or will build will not change from anything I say, anything you say, or anything FTW says.  The actual real truth of what the QEG is will be staring back at you on the bench.  Because of my engineering background, I can spin circles around most neophytes on an electronics bench.  But I already know what you are going to see because I understand what is under the hood and it's pretty much a crystal clear understanding.  The QEG is what it is, and it's not what you want to believe it can be.  Clearly from your comment you want to believe what it can be, from your own gathering of information from outside sources.  I am an outside source that has worked on an electronics bench for years, and I sat in class for years.  It's my years of experience that give me the ability to tell you the QEG will do exactly what it is supposed to do, no more and no less.  That's the reality that you will have to come to terms with.  If you put 600 watts of electrical power into the drive motor, you will NOT be able to drive 6 kilowatts worth of light bulbs to full power.  I know this from every fiber of my being because this is from my former profession.  I am not a shill, I am one of the good guys.  Take that step and read the thread on overunity, you owe it to yourself.  You are some nice guy in Ottawa, I don't want to see you burned really badly financially.  More importantly, I want you to see the truth for yourself.  Please inform yourself."

And in the end, the energy you make, is equal to the energy you take.....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 19, 2014, 01:11:45 AM
Most of the QEG videos have now had their comments disabled and removed and even some of the "descriptions" have been removed, like the video from last September where she said they only need 7900 dollars or something like that and will have a working prototype built in "5 weeks".

The process of correcting the past has begun.

The "be-do" website is a real hoot too. Moribund and stultifying. Look at the "technical suggestions" portion..... there are two whole technical suggestions. One to use a telephone modem protector sealed gap for a spark gap..... HOOT! And the other is to _drop a core_ to see if it rings like a bell at 200 Hz, then compute the necessary capacitor based on that.

The "news from morocco": the last post is the lying post from MelB from June 4.... two weeks ago... that claims "overunity" and shows the "QEG team getting ready" sitting around a table in an English pub.

The only person who is actually doing any work and reporting it is our Ariovaldo.


Ariovaldo got some time off to watch " his Brazil "  struggling in the World Cup.
 8) 8)
To say the truth, I'd made some more tests and one was to winding 4 more coils in the top of the existent coils. The number of turns was 80 turns of 14 gauge wire each one. The existent coils was connected in series and the resonance was made at 70 Hz. The new coils was connect in several configurations for trials, and the best number that I got was about 40% of the input power.
One thing that I was wondering is to have a rotor with 4 poles instead 2....just one wondering...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 19, 2014, 02:19:55 AM
Ariovaldo,
I to had thought about that. It would be interesting to play with. But I'm sure those things aren't cheap. Another crazy thought would be to cut the weld on the rotor and rotate 1/2 of it 90 degrees.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 19, 2014, 05:28:37 PM
A lot to chew on here. Had no time to read in detail. May have to go back a few pages to start of discussion.


http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/376-what-happens-when-overunity-is-achieved?start=108
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 19, 2014, 07:44:13 PM
Seems some still actually believe the simple uploading of a single PDF file has something to do with the actions of others.

8th comment down over at http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/04/the-amazing-story-of-the-qeg-build-in-morocco/

"You have now started a movement for Tesla Electric Car to let go of their patents and open source their cars." - https://autos.yahoo.com/news/musk-tesla-going-open-source-lifting-patents-good-181914074.html

Poster completely ignores what the article says about Elon Musk's reasoning.  How after his Zip2 patent he wanted to avoid them whenever possible, too many lawsuits.  Technology leadership is not patent pending  :D but is based on a companies engineers.  Publisher finishes up with electric cars can learn from smart phone wars.

Notice not one peep about qeg.  Billions of PDF files can be clicked on irrelevant of closed or open sourcing.  The Open Source initiative has been around since 1998.  FTW, is one of a billion downloadable PDF files.  Tesla Electric must have seen the "qeg-user-manual-3-25-14.pdf" called it a movement and jumped on the qeg bandwagon .  That sounds about right.  :P
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on June 19, 2014, 08:24:32 PM
Hi,

I wanted to present an alternate schematic circuit diagram for attempting to maximize
power output from the QEG standard core. This attached schematic is based on manual
modification of one of F-Browns schematic but it is not concerned with simulation. It
is suggested by the observation that there was "more power in the primary coil set rather
than in the secondary side". What happens in this case is that *Both* sides of the QEG
are optimized for resonance and the energy is then extracted from both sides, suggesting
QEG power-core rather then a generator. Energy from both sides are then converted
to DC and summed together. It makes the assumption that both sides have adequately
low output resistance. The other things is the coils are arranged to best facilitate
equivalence of inductance and resistance. Diode bridges convert the DC currents from
both sides and are summed for output.

Hopefully the output voltage will not be too high, if it exist above 600VDC then it suggests
a lower total turns count QEG could be attempted. If this design supplies more power than
the previous record it is suggested that a unitary wire gauge #18 with all coils having the
same 1:1 ratio QEG be attempted. 

Purpose made bridge diodes should be used with fast, high voltage and high current
diodes. (somewhat pricey).   OU seems to like overloading, so starting with a large
number of incandescent bulbs is suggested before proceeding down the optimization
pathway that should ultimately replace all bulbs with low inductance wire resistors.
Once optimized one should record the final load resistance should be recorded as this
is the devices output impedance.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 19, 2014, 09:46:11 PM
Do you realize it has been _nine months_, roughly, since HypeGirl begged for money so that they could complete their _working prototype_ in five weeks?

That's massive OU, for sure, turning "5 weeks" into nine MONTHS... count 'em:
Mid-September 2013
October
November
December
January 2014
February
March
April
May
and half of June 2014 and still no "working prototype" anywhere in sight... but the Proven-to-Work Design keeps getting more and more expensive, harder and harder to build, the circuit gets modified, the travel schedule must be maintained, so good luck with your expensive non-working doorstop, we've got to move on now to another venue.

But people still keep pouring money into the pockets of these blatant scammers. Timmy Thrapp must be very envious. I'll bet he's revising his business plan right now. Or maybe he's waiting, to see if the QEGers get thrown in jail first.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 20, 2014, 12:33:52 AM
Mark:

Quote
I wanted to present an alternate schematic circuit diagram for attempting to maximize
[color=#0081BD !important][/color] output from the QEG standard core. This attached schematic is based on manual
modification of one of F-Browns schematic but it is not concerned with simulation. It
is suggested by the observation that there was "more [color=#0081BD !important][/color] in the primary coil set rather
than in the secondary side". What happens in this case is that *Both* sides of the QEG
are optimized for resonance and the energy is then extracted from both sides, suggesting
QEG power-core rather then a generator. Energy from both sides are then converted
to DC and summed together. It makes the assumption that both sides have adequately
low output resistance. The other things is the coils are arranged to best facilitate
equivalence of inductance and resistance. Diode bridges convert the DC currents from
both sides and are summed for output.

Drawing power simultaneously from the primary and the secondary will not get you anywhere.  The primary and the secondary get their power from the same power source and they share the same flux in the core.  With absolute certainty your theory will not work.  Have you ever seen an experimenter's clip where they work with multiple secondaries?   They remove a light bulb load from one secondary and they observe that the other two light bulbs get brighter.  That's the law of conservation of energy in action.  The frustrating thing is most experimenters simply observe this type of effect but they almost never try to explain it.

Also, there is no need for super-fast diodes when the AC waveforms are a few hundred Hertz.  That's just another "crazy" bias that you often see in builder's threads.  You may want to use an exotic high-speed diode for a high-frequency application.  A high-speed diode will do nothing for you for some kind of QEG rectification scheme.

The QEG is a dead end and it's as dead as a doornail.  Everybody's test results will clearly show this with the huge caveat that you actually have to have proper electronics knowledge and good enough bench skills to test the QEG properly.  There is a decent chance that many QEG builder's groups don't possess the required knowledge and experience.  I base my comments by looking at the level of the technical discussion on Be-Do.com.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 20, 2014, 01:12:57 AM
Yep. If you don't have high frequency components in your waveform, you aren't going to benefit from using fast diodes over ordinary rectifiers.
Fast diodes are great for snubbing or siphoning off the inductive spike energy that bounces at your semiconductor switches from shutting off the current in a big inductor, which has the abrupt rise and fall times, meaning HF. Or if you are operating at actual high frequencies, like the DC extraction section of a wireless inductive receiver for example, where you want to rectify a 1 MHz power-carrying waveform with low losses.

But there doesn't seem to be anything like that in the QEG yet. At least, not until they figure out how to hook up that tickler coil and the spark plugs.
(I know how, and I'll gladly tell the QEG builders.... for an appropriate fee.)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 20, 2014, 01:15:32 AM
MH said,
Quote
I base my comments by looking at the level of the technical discussion on Be-Do.com.

'Smatter, don't you think that dropping a core to see if it will ring like a bell at 200 Hz is a good idea?


Just don't drop it on your foot, is my advice.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 20, 2014, 01:51:41 AM
Don't you just find it hilarious when the scammers (QEG mob) begin to clutch at straws and refer to other scammers (Thane Heins)
that claimed OU but didn't have it either, to try to give themselves legitimacy ?

I think its real funny, I wonder how many they'll go through.

There was.

1) The C.O.P. = 20.0 Mob at the EF conference.
2) Thane Heins
3) Timothy Thrapp himself.

who else will they refer to to try to cling to the ruse ?

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 20, 2014, 02:00:17 AM
I agree with conclusions of this group concerning the QEG. However, I believe that is important to encourage experimentation no matter how silly it may appear to others. Experimentation is the foundation which will lead to the knowledge for future breakthroughs. And many amazing discoveries have been made purely by accident. This does not excuse the way that the QEG has been exploited, but it should be a lesson for others that validation is absolutely crucial before making claims. And I would hope that others here would encourage open sourcing of ideas without the risk of being made fun of, or ignored. There is no such thing as a stupid question or experiment. I enjoy experimentation in many different fields.

I am not being critical in any way toward this forum or its members. As I respect you all and the knowledge and experience you are willing to share with others.           
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 20, 2014, 02:23:00 AM

I agree with conclusions of this group concerning the QEG. However, I believe that is important to encourage experimentation no matter how silly it may appear to others.
Really? Think about that for a moment, in the context of some of the really really silly things we've seen.
Quote
Experimentation is the foundation which will lead to the knowledge for future breakthroughs. And many amazing discoveries have been made purely by accident.
Not quite "purely". There is a saying that chance favors the prepared mind. This means that amazing discoveries can indeed be made, even unexpected ones, but they will not be made by people who do not understand the basics of the area in which they choose to experiment.
Quote
This does not excuse the way that the QEG has been exploited, but it should be a lesson for others that validation is absolutely crucial before making claims.
And soliciting money based on unvalidated claims that are claimed to be true and validated... is not only inexcusable, it's criminal. And the people who do such should be treated accordingly, not handled with "kid gloves" because they are "experimenters" who should be tolerated or even encouraged.
Quote
And I would hope that others here would encourage open sourcing of ideas without the risk of being made fun of, or ignored.
To the extent that one's ideas are far out of the mainstream, one should expect to be ridiculed or ignored. To the extent that one's DATA is repeatable and solid, one should be respected and attention should be paid.
Quote
There is no such thing as a stupid question or experiment.
I have a theory that if I strap pingpong paddles to my wrists and elbows, and flap my arms hard enough, I can fly. Would you encourage me to go and jump off a 10 story building to "experiment" with my theory? Or would you call that a stupid experiment? Or is this a stupid question?
Quote
I enjoy experimentation in many different fields.
So do I. Do you waste your time on just any off-the-wall suggestion, or do you know enough to reject certain "possibilities" out of hand as actually being impossible on the face of it? For example, do you have a Bessler wheel in your garage, that you work on for a couple hours every day? How about a permanent magnet motor or SMOT?

See what I mean? Every body has limits. I hope... even you.

The QEG and the HypeGirl story exceeded my limits long ago. These people and their sycophants deserve no respect at all, they are not even "experimenting" in a scientific manner and yet... they are still soliciting funds based on false claims and promises they will never fulfil.
Quote
I am not being critical in any way toward this forum or its members. As I respect you all and the knowledge and experience you are willing to share with others. 
         
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 20, 2014, 02:47:35 AM
This is exactly what I mean.
If I were Ariovaldo or others like him I would avoid posting on this forum. I may be wrong, but I believe his intent was not to disprove the QEG but to share results that many were not.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 20, 2014, 02:54:17 AM
This is exactly what I mean.
If I were Ariovaldo or others like him I would avoid posting on this forum. I may be wrong, but I believe his intent was not to disprove the QEG but to share results that many were not.
And why do you think he shouldn't post on this forum? Is there any other forum where people are telling the truth, fully, about the QEG or their work with it?

Do you think that Ariovaldo believes, or has ever believed, that the QEG device would actually ever produce OU? Perhaps we should ask _him_ just what he believes and what his intent is.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 20, 2014, 03:08:49 AM
I believe that the QEG was intriguing enough, that Ariovaldo invested his time and money in it to further his own knowledge and understanding. And shared it with this group, looking for suggestions from those that he noticed who contribute to his experimentation. But Ariovaldo is the only one who knows for sure. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on June 20, 2014, 04:44:33 AM
Quote from: TinKoa
And soliciting money based on unvalidated claims that are claimed to be true and validated... is not only inexcusable, it's criminal. And the people who do such should be treated accordingly...

There are many, many pretenders who fall into that
category of cheat - including his highness Howdy Doody,
the present occupant of the White House in the District
of Criminals.

Fat chance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 21, 2014, 04:18:32 AM
There are many, many pretenders who fall into that
category of cheat - including his highness Howdy Doody,
the present occupant of the White House in the District
of Criminals.

Fat chance.

Well, I have to agree with this post 100%!  Of course, this means both of us are now on a list but, no matter.  I am probably on many lists already.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 21, 2014, 05:52:13 AM
I can't contain myself. Add one more for that list.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 21, 2014, 08:37:04 AM
If there's a list I wanna be on it too.  8) But considering some of the things I've written online if I'm not on a list already then there probably isn't one. They are all a bunch of criminals.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 21, 2014, 07:21:19 PM
From IndieGogo's Terms of Use:
 
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Prohibited Campaigns Campaign Owners are not permitted to create a Campaign to raise funds for illegal activities, to cause harm to people or property, or to scam other Users.  If you know that your Campaign is claiming to do the impossible or it's just plain phony, don't post it.  You must comply with all applicable laws and regulations in carrying out your Campaign, offering Perks and using Contributions.

From the project page on Indiegogo:

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In basic terms, our machine reverses the conventions used to build electric motors, i.e., instead of using low voltage/high current construction, which wastes energy, our designs use high voltage/low current construction, which gives us a HUGE surplus of energy. A portion of the surplus energy is fed back to self-power the motor, and the excess energy is collected in capacitors and converted into house current (120 or 240 volt, at 50-200 Amperes, depending on scaling). This is known as over-unity (more output than input) which traditional educational institutions have historically taught us was impossible. It is not at all impossible, and does NOT operate outside the laws of physics.

The campaign is clearly claiming that they have _already done_ the impossible. Yet it clearly violates the Indiegogo TOS. They claim you can power your home with a QEG. Not "maybe in the future" but using what they are selling now.

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The potential for these systems to alleviate some of the desperation and human suffering in poor countries is immense! For example, the systems can be used to power electric water pumps anywhere that drilling equipment can be brought in to drill water wells for communities with no access to clean water. Electric light (and even satellite internet access) can be provided where people live in darkness and isolation due to lack of access to any source of power, and lack of any means to pay, even if power were available. Governments…or even private benefactors could provide the
equipment, basically one-time, and serve the community for 20-25 years on a
single outlay for the equipment purchase. One of the goals of distributing these systems through the Fix-The-World organization is that we want to give away two machines for each 10 machines that we sell at full price.

Yet "these systems" CANNOT provide power for electric water pumps, they CANNOT provide electric light and even satellite internet access where people live in darkness and isolation due to lack of access to any source of power.

And this was back in September of last year! They couldn't do what they clearly claim, then, or now.


Please send a report to IndieGogo about this campaign (which of course is closed, having raised over twice the amount of their goal...).

https://www.indiegogo.com/contact/questions?category=FBCT_GNRL&comments=Prohibited+Content%3A+https%3A%2F%2Fwww.indiegogo.com%2Fprojects%2F517179

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 21, 2014, 08:01:17 PM

 

Yet "these systems" CANNOT provide power for electric water pumps, they CANNOT provide electric light and even satellite internet access where people live in darkness and isolation due to lack of access to any source of power.

And this was back in September of last year! They couldn't do what they clearly claim, then, or now.



Heck, the "system" can not even provide enough "extra" energy to run itself much less water pumps, lights, or anything else.

Where are these folks "fundraising" now?  They should be reported there as well.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 22, 2014, 12:53:38 AM
Here is a full two hour and twenty minute interview with the UK QEG group by Awake Radio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdTV8lG_hTQ

I only listened to parts of it, I did not hear anything about making measurements confirming over unity.  Perhaps somebody will have the stamina to get through all of it.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 22, 2014, 01:51:33 AM
The next major fund generating video and blog will be "UK has RESONANCE!!!"  About June 20th - 23th.
It will be uploaded to the following youtube accounts: be-do com, thepowersthatbe, hopegirl587, rewirth

Lo and behold:  "UK QEG Has Resonance!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r6gc4mgHs8

The only error in my prediction is that I omitted the qeg in the predicted title.  The date was right on track.  Give it another day or two and all those listed will mirror the video.  Incidentally, if anyone made some wagers of my prediction, I want in on the action.  %10 will be fine.

Another pattern to notice for those who have yet to catch on, with each build after RESONANCE!! hopegirl mentions next is tuning and then self running.  Though resonance and tuning may not be a verbatim equivalent, for all practical purposes its the same.  Ssshhh.... Don't tell the be-do-ers this little secret ;)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 22, 2014, 02:03:41 AM
They forgot to disable comments! (ETA: On the "Awake"radio video. Of course comments are disabled from the start on the "official" UK resonance video.)

So I left this comment, in the interests of full disclosure.

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Is the QEG team still soliciting funds based on false claims and promises they cannot keep?
I refer you to the Indiegogo fundraising campaign that closed in mid-Septermber of 2013, where over 18 thousand dollars was raised based on the promise that a working prototype would be constructed with the money, and it would be finished in five weeks.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator)
It has been a bit more than five weeks, the design has changed considerably (shrouds, epoxy potting, heavy wire, extra windings, etc etc) and neither the Taiwan, Morocco, Canada, Germany, UK or any other build of the device has attained even unity performance, much less overunity.
The measurements given by the QEG team indicate rather miserable performance of under 50 percent efficiency, while at the same time they claim overunity from these same measurements. No version of this device has ever run itself, in spite of HopeGirl's claim to have had a prototype running for 150 hours. And they continue to ask for money based on these false claims.

It won't last, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 22, 2014, 02:48:59 AM
Lo and behold:  "UK QEG Has Resonance!!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r6gc4mgHs8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r6gc4mgHs8)

The only error in my prediction is that I omitted the qeg in the predicted title.  The date was right on track.  Give it another day or two and all those listed will mirror the video.  Incidentally, if anyone made some wagers of my prediction, I want in on the action.  %10 will be fine.

Another pattern to notice for those who have yet to catch on, with each build after RESONANCE!! hopegirl mentions next is tuning and then self running.  Though resonance and tuning may not be a verbatim equivalent, for all practical purposes its the same.  Ssshhh.... Don't tell the be-do-ers this little secret ;)

It looks like the build quality is improving, at least. I like the transparent endplates a lot better than the silly G-10 stuff.  It also doesn't destroy tools when you cut it like the glass-filled resin material. And look... more light bulbs!

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 22, 2014, 02:58:29 AM
It looks like the build quality is improving, at least. I like the transparent endplates a lot better than the silly G-10 stuff.  It also doesn't destroy tools when you cut it like the glass-filled resin material. And look... more light bulbs!

Only 6 lit.  Damn TK, they starting to get to you too  ;D

The radio interview starts off with the obligatory jump to a Tesla patent.  I have seen at least 2 different patents be reference by FTW.  Ask if its patent 511,916 Electric Generator.  If they say yes, they have no foundation to stand on.  One day is from WITTS, another day is from Tesla.  I wish the would make up their mind.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 22, 2014, 03:55:49 AM
The C.O.P. = 20.0 Thread is unresponsive for me so I'll post this patent here as it is directly related to reactive power/power factor correction.

I think the EF Conference demo is simply talking of a slightly different version of this, I found this patent after reading one post in the thread at EF, I have not read the patent as yet but I did look at the pretty pictures.  ;D

Any thoughts on this patent in relation to all this reactive power OU nonsense ?

Do this search (copy and paste) and the patent is there under the heading "Alternating Voltage Control Apparatus", The guy's
Name is R Shimada - ‎2013. The PDF is 2.8 megs. So I won't upload it as an attachment.

https://www.google.com.au/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Patent%203%2C735%2C673

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 22, 2014, 07:05:38 AM
Here is the post from EF  that goes with the post above, I'll quote it here. From user "Listener192". [All bold text is emphasis by myself].

http://www.energeticforum.com/257852-post66.html

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Hi All,

Long before the Babcock patent "controllable universal supply with reactive power management" was applied for, a Japanese Professor had already patented a more elegant scheme which basically does the same thing as Babcock's device, except soft switching is used, rather than the hard switching technique that Babcock uses. Both schemes rely on being able to interrupt current and recover the voltage from the inductive load, into a capacitor, which then can be used to assist a rapid rise of current in the next switching cycle. In the AC bridge configuration the MER's device can restore a power factor of close to 1, as seen by the generating source. The timing of switching is dependant on the phase difference between voltage and current and you can see in the example provided in the link above, that the voltage waveform is essentially brought into alignment with the current waveform by essentially chopping it. The MERS's device soft recovers the inductive energy, whereas the Babcock device relies on fast (hard) switching just ahead of current turn off.

The PWM version of this scheme actually allow retention of the sine wave, which is highly distorted in the simple time based switching scheme. Babcock scheme basically does the same thing.

If you can arrange for the source always to see a very low power factor reactive load which either of these devices is coupled to the other side of, feeding say a resistive load, the device could be used to align the voltage and current wave forms to apply real power to the load, assuming phase change is not reflected back to the generating source.

Many papers are available on the MERS device that describe the practical applications and having built a similar device (but with differences) I can confirm the operational principle is effective. This I used on a replication of the power gain SRM that Dave Squires presented two years ago, in place of the choke scheme he utilized. Unfortunately there were some operational considerations that's were not modelled in FEMM, that gave the impression that power gain was possible from this design.

Barry

All I can say is where is the common sense ? All of the reactive power originates from the supply and if we retain it convert it (change it's phase) and use it as real power we pay for it. It's very simple. As far as the scope showing power is being returned to the grid, well that can be achieved a few ways, but simply storing the magnetizing current/power released from the inductors then applying it later for some time a bit at a time by a fancy switching scheme could show that and suck in investors.

It would go like this the demo shows less than power factor 1.00 operation then the switching system is applied and the power factor goes to 1.00 or near but the power may not be getting reapplied rather it could be built up until it can be released a bit at a time to show a returning power situation for a period of time releasing back to the grid the excess of power reapplied in phase. This would show what was shown in the video clip I think.

Still all power comes originally from the grid, of course, even common sense tells us that. Sheez Louise. The other mob ought to be reported to the authorities as well. That is if they don't work for disinfo agency to make a lot of people mental over weather there is OU or not.  I say someone in the U.S. report these people to the appropriate authorities. The EF group are using this guys lies to sell conference tickets and other merchandise, it's fraud. Plain and simple. Con Men. If they were operating out of Australia I would report them and follow it up to see if they are prosecuted and if not why not.

There is no end to ways people could be tricked with electronics demo's, there is absolutely no reason to believe anything unless it is verified. Either by yourself or by a neutral trusted third party. These investment scams in free energy need to be resisted because if we do nothing they will ruin the entire (search for free alternative energy sources into a farce and a joke to all who watch with any common sense or learning about them).

This web article was brought to light over at The Heretical Builders forum.
At the bottom of the article he explains his theory based on the info he gathered.

Subversion of Alternitive Energy. [He made a spelling mistake, i'll blame his pencil]  ;)
Maintaining America's oil addiction,
by Steven J. Smith.
http://www.whale.to/b/subversion_of_alternitive_energy.html

Link to discussion there, need to be logged in there to read that thread.
http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=523

Any thoughts on that ? Is this why some of the Scams are so well done and why some of the "scammers" seem to be "protected".
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Here I'll quote his conclusions.

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1.2.1
Summary:
All of these individuals, and many more left unmentioned, work tirelessly to create the illusion of progress in solving America's growing energy crisis.  They sell a vast panoply of books, pamphlets, and DVDs.  Each one overflowing with allegedly useful information, and yet completely devoid of any meaningful solution.  They hold countless seminars, conferences, round table discussions, and conventions.  Each one populated from a constantly revolving list of scientists, consultants, and industry experts.  All of whom pontificate for hours on end without offering any practical solution.

True that.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on June 22, 2014, 08:52:56 AM
Aye, very true.

The Love of Money will drive weak men to do
unethical "business."

Stand by for either a "ban" or a "block"
when Erron is apprised of this truth.

The spotlight of exposure is too much for them.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on June 22, 2014, 08:54:04 AM
Very strange - dunno how this got here.

Must have hit a wrong key or sumthin'.

On reflection - I now know how this got
here - it was a wrong key...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 22, 2014, 09:35:48 AM
Standing by ...... I probably won't know until I try to log in to "try" to help someone over there that does not post here. I don't see any point to posting like this over there because all I would get is abuse and argument.

It makes me wonder..... How can Eric Dollard take part in these conferences when other speakers are claiming these crazy things.

A curious situation for sure.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on June 22, 2014, 10:24:13 AM
Aye, so it is.

Eric is a "victim" who's endured many hardships at
the alleged hands of others.  His scars and resentments
plus extreme financial difficulty will demolish any
barriers that might otherwise minimize the temptation
to deviate from the straight path.  Easy pickin's for those
who know how to manipulate for gain.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 22, 2014, 03:59:45 PM
Farmhand:

The Error Guy is shameless.  Look at the "advanced hucksterism" he openly displays for all to see:

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REACTIVE POWER – REAL “FREE ENERGY” TECHNOLOGY

We’re going to show you a video soon and it will blow your mind! Many of you may be hearing about a global effort to make some Tesla Generator and there is a lot of hype included. To date, there has been ZERO results showing that there is less coming from the power source than the machine is creating.

The video clip that you’re going to see shows more returning to the power source than is leaving and it is very significant! That is the topic of Paul Babcock and Jim Murray’s upcoming talk at the 2014 Energy Science & Technology Conference – here is the description: Paul Babcock & Jim Murray Presentation Description | 2014 Energy Science & Technology Conference

Notice the "crackpot bashing the crackpot" effect?  "The QEG is a fake reactive power device but our fake reactive power device is the real thing."

Badonk-a-donk musings:

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Last year, John Bedini showed his  famous Bedini SSG, but with a modification. As the output battery  charged up, SO THE THE INPUT BATTERY! The wheel was just spinning away  and BOTH batteries were charged. That is what you get to see at the  Energy Science & Technology Conferences.

Will Bedini ever explain to his followers how an inductor actually works?  Even the ones that pay several hundred dollars for the privilege of watching him display his under unity and typically 30% efficient pulse motors? The answer is no!

The Error Guy's web sites are always totally shameless in look and feel, a study in an online form of tabloid trash.  Hopeless Babe and Error Guy are like two peas in a pod - a zombie we-ate-your-brain-and-picked-your-pockets pod.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 22, 2014, 07:42:35 PM
So let's dissect a new clip!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r6gc4mgHs8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r6gc4mgHs8)

What is the probe that the Montreal engineer is putting on the QEG?  It's connected to a blue box.

Jamie asks how much capacitance and then he comments that the setup will have to run fast and he seems to be a bit uncomfortable with the high speed that the QEG will have to sustain.

At the end of the clip you see the "wall" effect were as they add motor power the speed does not appear to change.

There is the setup for the critical test:  Let's say 200 watts motor electrical-in when they hit resonance.  Lets assume 80 watts bulb power.   You then measure the bulb power at motor electrical-in of 220 watts, 280 watts, and 300 watts.

That gives you four measurements for the absolute efficiency of power in to power out.

You can also measure (delta out)/(delta in) between 200 and 220 watts, and (delta out)/(delta in) between 280 and 300 watts.

You are looking at the marginal efficiency of the QEG.  Is it different from the absolute efficiency?

When you compare the two delta efficiencies, you are looking to see which way that is trending.  The "delta-delta."

So it's the power derivatives that you are looking at in your attempt to extract information about how the device performs.  You do a few different types of measurements along these lines, (varying the load and looking for the impedance match would be another very import series of measurements) and what you should start to see is a convergence.

The convergence is that all of the data is pointing at under unity.  When you increase the power input does any series of measurements trend towards over unity?  When you vary the resistance of the load up and down does any series of measurements trend towards over unity?

The answer is that you will see a convergence, a convergence in the data sets that all point towards under unity.  Some QEG fans might be offended that the results are being prejudged.  The real response is to roll up your shirtsleeves and do the required testing on the bench to see for yourselves.  The QEG will not lie.  The challenge is to do the measurements and share them (good or bad) in the true spirit of open source.  People without access to energy in underdeveloped countries, your "cause célèbre," are more important than the naysayers, or your egos.

So the time is nigh, time to actually generate good data with proper documentation from your built QEGs.

Like Speakers' Corner in Hyde Park!    ;D

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 22, 2014, 08:01:22 PM
Now let's look more closely at the differential efficiency of the QEG.

Here is some hypothetical data:

motor electrical-in:   200 watts     bulb-out:   40 watts
motor electrical-in:   220 watts     bulb-out:   55 watts

You can see how the marginal efficiency in this example is (15 watts)/(20 watts) = 75%.

So, the challenge is, can you hunt down the 25% loss in an ideal marginal efficiency of 100%?

Well, you can measure the resistances of all of the coils you are working with.   You can even measure the resistances of all of the interconnect wiring.

You have a DSO, you can measure all of the RMS currents in all of the wires.  Therefore you can calculate the differential power loss in the setup and see if it is close to the measured 25% loss in efficiency.   Perhaps you will be able to account for up to 90% of the efficiency losses as being due to the wire resistance.  Perhaps the remaining 10% would be due to the air and bearing friction?

You can can keep analyzing how the QEG works to get a deeper understanding of what is going on.

If there is over unity, your DSO or scope is capable of showing it to you.  So these types of investigations are extremely important if your goal is presumably to understand how the thing ticks.  If you understand how it ticks that allows you to build replications with more confidence that they will "work."  Or, the data is all going to point in a different direction, as previously stated.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 22, 2014, 08:36:48 PM
Now supposing you have a complete sent of measurements on the QEG at different speeds and load values, and so on.  Then you add the device that hasn't been talked about much, the extra LC resonator with the spark gap. You adjust the QEG so that you are in resonance with the extra LC resonator and the sparking is regular and "satisfying."

Now go ahead and look at your power-in and power-out measurements and compare them with when you have the extra LC resonator and spark gap in the circuit.  Do you get better results?  The reality is that you will not.  The spark gap represents a resistor sucking up power and turning it into heat.  The "disruptive switching inducing some kind of 'special' response from the coils" is just a fantasy.  The coils will do exactly what they are supposed to do when in the presence of a spark gap, no more, no less.

I am assuming that the FTW team will "fall back" to the LC resonator and spark gap as "part of the tuning" as things continue along their gloomy path.  So the investigation into the addition of the extra LC resonator and spark gap is not a difficult thing to do at all.  It would all be part of sharing and open sourcing your data, be it good or bad.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 22, 2014, 10:47:51 PM
Speaking of documenting yourself in the spirit of open source, this is from the Be-Do forum:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/376-what-happens-when-overunity-is-achieved?start=138

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Hi Nigel,

We are going for full eQEG operation using the flux coil to initiate and maintain electrical resonance, and also the flux coil drive circuit is also configured for automatic self-looping, where a power bleed-off from the QEG's 12V DC o/p will supply power to the flux coil circuit. This is automatic, because as soon as sufficient o/p voltage from the eQEG is available, the lithium batteries are automatically isolated so that the flux coil is fed by eQEG power only - no manual switch over is required.

Cheers Cliff

Let's see if Cliff, a.k.a. vgray35, will document himself and share his measurements on his "no moving parts QEG."  Like I said before, Cliff talks the talk, and most of the time it is fantasy talk, so let's see if he can walk the walk.

He is discussing a self-looping thingamajig:

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Initially all QFT/G testing will be done just as a standalone unit using the flux pulse coil to energize the eQEG resonant LC tank, to generate electricity through a self-looped configuration of the device. As matter of interest the flux coil could also be tested as a strictly Bi-TT configuration (i.e. no active QEG component) just to see what Bi-TT OU one achieves, but obviously the eQEG is what the focus will be. At 1100Hz the resonant capacitor will be about 1.5uF/1000V, but that will depend on the final measurement of the primary coil's inductance.

We have seen this movie before but for some reason we never see the ending of the movie.  The protagonists invariably seem to go dark.  Anybody remember "Panacea University" testing the eOrbo?

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 22, 2014, 11:24:57 PM
WITTS has their line of expert testimonials who do not demonstrate but just testify.
Its only natural FTW has its line of expert testimonials doing the same.

With both groups and both modeled after WITTs:
- Save the world.
- An MTBT of 1 hour.  Mean time between Tesla.
- Only we have the technology.
- You must think good thoughts or the machine will harm you.
- Charge copious amounts for counseling.
- Supported by their own hand picked experts.
- Working units yet not being used for their intended purpose.
- Never ending donations.
- Claim to have, be involved, or have access to large numbers of technologies.  Most of which have no association with their organization but are used to fluff up legitimacy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 22, 2014, 11:46:23 PM
One more simple test....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG8cGV_Iqms


Cheers


Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 23, 2014, 12:03:19 AM
Here, maybe this will help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awrUxv7B-a8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awrUxv7B-a8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiKH48EMgKE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiKH48EMgKE)

Especially:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b24jORRoxEc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 23, 2014, 01:07:42 AM
Here, maybe this will help.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awrUxv7B-a8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awrUxv7B-a8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiKH48EMgKE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiKH48EMgKE)

Especially:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b24jORRoxEc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b24jORRoxEc)
The first Synchronous  motor that I installed 25 years ago was facinating. First all the rheostat was a water rheostat, using ferroform. The motor was 4.000 hp and the motor was used to correct the power factor in our plant. The trick was to get it synchronized....this kind of motor start as an asynchronous motor and we need to " excite" as soon to get the full speed....Actualy, the new version of those motors has electronic exciters and speed sensors....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 23, 2014, 01:30:22 AM
Thanks for the links TK and I looked up my favourite guy for going back to basics.

When you reduce the QEG down to it's bare-bones nakedness, what is the essence of how it works?  The answer is that there is changing magnetic flux in the toroidal core, and that changing magnetic flux produces emf.  When you wrap a coil around the core, each turn in the coil picks up the induced emf. You connect a load across the coil and the emf in the coil drives a load.  In the case of the QEG the load is a bank of light bulbs.

That's what's left when you strip it down to the simplest explanation for how it works; changing magnetic flux in the core inducing emf in the coils.

That's an application of Faraday's Law.  The FTW group want you to believe that the QEG does not behave in a way that is consistent with Faraday's Law.  They want you to believe that the output from the coils is greater than what it actually is, as described by Faraday's Law.

The problem is that the QEG is the same as any other transformer, and the output will be in line with Faraday's Law.  So if there is no "magic" in terms of the coils interacting with the changing flux, then your only other option is that there is "magic" in the rotor-core interaction.  In other words the "jump" has to take place between the mechanical power supplied by the rotor and the amount of changing flux induced in the toroidal core.  Good luck with that.

Here is a back-to-basics review of Faraday's Law by a YouTuber.  You will see, that when you have changing flux in the toroid, you can calculate the value of the electric field vector at any point in 3D space around the toroid.  If you put a single turn of a coil in this electric field, it will pick up emf.   It is so well understood that it is literally impossible for the way the QEG toroid interacts with the coils to be different.  There is just no way that is going to happen.  The relationship in the QEG between the changing flux in the core and the output coils and the load will be under unity and follow Faraday's Law to the 't.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DH7ufrkeHM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DH7ufrkeHM)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de4CWQoJ684 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de4CWQoJ684)

MleHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 23, 2014, 04:31:04 AM
They forgot to disable comments! (ETA: On the "Awake"radio video. Of course comments are disabled from the start on the "official" UK resonance video.)

So I left this comment, in the interests of full disclosure.

It won't last, I'm sure.

Your comment is no longer.  I am shocked.  Very little traffic on that channel so I thought it would remain longer.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 23, 2014, 03:09:16 PM
One more simple test....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG8cGV_Iqms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vG8cGV_Iqms)


Cheers


Ariovaldo


The schematics


Ariovaldo

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on June 23, 2014, 11:51:17 PM
And why do you think he shouldn't post on this forum? Is there any other forum where people are telling the truth, fully, about the QEG or their work with it?

Do you think that Ariovaldo believes, or has ever believed, that the QEG device would actually ever produce OU? Perhaps we should ask _him_ just what he believes and what his intent is.




Years ago, I was diagnosed with panic attack. To control that, I started to take some strong medicines and this was killing me. To make it short, one year after the diagnosis,  I decided to get rid of medication and to help me in this process, I tried to find something to keep my mind working and at the same time, something related to my background. That is why I started to replicate everything that I thought was “different”. In the last 6 years, I built so many “dumb” stuff that I’m ashamed to say here in this forum……
Now the question: If I really knew the theory behind of generators why did I  start to build the QEGt? Yes, I knew, but I tried not go so deep on that since my kids, both engineers, saw this project in the internet and bought  me the stator/rotor to see me working, testing and etc…. ( cheaper than the medicine and any ER  ;D ).
If I had stopped to think, if I had calculated the magnetic flux and if I had done the others pertinent calculus to build a normal generator, I never had started this project.
Also, you can check: I never said that the QEG works, but to me it was a very exciting equipment to be checked and the fact to need to resonate was very interesting.
 
Cheers
 
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 24, 2014, 12:50:22 AM
Thanks Ariovaldo,
No shame here, experimenting is healthy and broadens our understanding. Keep it up!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 24, 2014, 01:43:14 AM
I agree completely. I think most of what we really know about most of the devices we have seen has come from people who are doing just the same, and not from the "rabid fans" or the original "overunity" claimants themselves.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Yadaraf on June 24, 2014, 03:30:02 AM
Years ago, I was diagnosed with panic attack. To control that, I started to take some strong medicines and this was killing me. To make it short, one year after the diagnosis,  I decided to get rid of medication and to help me in this process, I tried to find something to keep my mind working and at the same time, something related to
...
Ario ...


Panic attacks can be caused by a magnesium deficiency, which -- depending on your genes -- can worsen with age.  Mg deficiency can also be caused by stress and excessive sugar consumption.  To make matters worse, Mg has been depleted from the topsoil, and so it is difficult to obtain through the diet.


Have you tried a magnesium supplement?  (e.g. Natural Calm @ naturalvitality.com)


Cheers,
Yada
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on June 24, 2014, 04:01:15 AM
My wife swears by this stuff and takes it before bedtime. I can't use it my system is to delicate. But it is worth a try.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 24, 2014, 04:29:39 AM
I posted this on the QEG Canada YouTube page:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Kevin,

Your friend Evens Abellard is now in England working with Jamie.  That means that you have a direct line on how the project is progressing.  I am going to presume that Evens will eventually be returning to Montreal to continue working on your own QEG project.

I am asking you and Evens to share what will have eventually transpired in the UK with the greater community interested in the QEG.  If you want to be real and you want to be honest then you have a moral obligation to do this.  If Evens comes back declaring victory, then great, share that good news with the world and lets see more replications and testing and properly documented and properly measured results.  If Evens comes back with no success, then share that bad news with the world, including the test results.  Please, don't just go dark if the news is bad.  That will just help perpetuate schemes like this in the future and hurt even more people.

There are some very important principles that come up from time to time in life, and it's up to each individual to make the morally correct decisions.  This is one of those times.

The reality is that you can expect Evens to come back to Canada without reporting any over unity.  We desperately need transparency when it comes to things like this.  The FTW group is not being transparent, they have already claimed over unity when their results clearly have shown under unity.  That kind of "madness" has to stop.

I am also going to post this on the overunity web site.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 24, 2014, 07:48:07 AM
Well, nobody bothered to reply to my comment from a week ago, where I asked what those "engineers" thought about the "Overunity in VARs" sillyness.

So today I left this comment:

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Why do you lie, while asking for money and pretending to sell knowledge you do not possess?

The QEG Canada website says:
"The QEG, based on the work of Nikola Tesla, does not need to be plugged into a centralized power grid. It taps into the quantum field and draws usable electricity from it. A QEG can provide between 10 and 20Kw of power, which exceeds the amount of energy needed to power the average Canadian home."

Note the use of the present tense. This statement is a LIE!

The QEG cannot provide more power than it draws from the mains. There is little resemblance to any of Tesla's patents, and neither you nor anyone else has ever provided any evidence that this device "taps into the quantum field". You cannot even define "the quantum field" in real engineering terms.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: fritz on June 24, 2014, 09:09:46 AM
Well, nobody bothered to reply to my comment from a week ago, where I asked what those "engineers" thought about the "Overunity in VARs" sillyness.
I agree.

Its  mix of plot #5 and plot#8 OU scam.
Plot #5 is a quite efficient device - and the vision to achieve OU once scaled up to certain point.
Plot #8 is the attempt to alter the timeline - and promote everything expected as already achieved.
A commercial 20kW generator may achieve 97% efficiency, huge ones 99% - 5kW may operate @93% -
so a small generator with few kw achieving 98% is already some invention.
The entire PR with "Tesla Inside" statement is highly questionable.
From electrodynamics point of view -  there is no price to win until you tap and exploit special material properties which allow some net gain.
Its probably nice to play with - but difficult to "believe" as demonstrated.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 24, 2014, 05:33:39 PM
At least Kevin has not deleted the comments on his clips, which I view as a good sign.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 24, 2014, 06:06:23 PM
How does the spinning rotor affect the magnetic flux in the four quadrants of the QEG toroidal core?

If you want to find that out you have to investigate this issue in depth with your scope.  The good news is that in the case of the UK group, I am still going to assume that they have that beautiful four-channel DSO.  That's the one that can give you real-time RMS measurements on each of the four channels, a really nice processing beast of a scope.  I am also assuming that it can export waveforms.

With the DSO there is nothing stopping you from doing that investigation.

So instead of explaining how to do it, which was my first intention, instead I will issue a challenge to James M. Robitaille and Evens Abellard who are working on the new Perspex QEG right now as I post this.

James and Evens:  Please produce various plots (no load, under load, etc.) of the magnetic flux in each of the four quadrants of the QEG and also corelate that with the angular position of the rotor and the power that is flowing into the light bulb load.  Then look at the data and draw conclusions about the flux in each quadrant and the interaction with the spinning rotor.  Do you see a signature that indicates that flux is traveling through the spinning rotor?  What other observations can you give us and what are your conclusions and why are you arriving at them?

All that I can say is that's what I would do.  I am assuming that if the DSO can't integrate on a waveform, then you can export the waveform and do an integration on your PC.

What is the reason for doing all of this?   The reason is that you are looking for alleged "quantum" effects.  Will you see any alleged "quantum" effects or will you see a pure behaviour in the QEG that is in accord with Faraday's Law?

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 24, 2014, 06:09:54 PM
Ariovaldo, can you reduce the size of your posted image?

Oops, the point is moot, we are at the top of a new page.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: fritz on June 24, 2014, 06:53:10 PM
If you want to find that out you have to investigate this issue in depth with your scope.  The good news is that in the case of the UK group, I am still going to assume that they have that beautiful four-channel DSO.  That's the one that can give you real-time RMS measurements on each of the four channels, a really nice processing beast of a scope.  I am also assuming that it can export waveforms.
With the DSO there is nothing stopping you from doing that investigation.

Tektronix TDS30x4 has a floppy disk ;-))
It has a vertical precision of about 2%, and the RMS bandwith is limited, as well as the math function.
Calibrating the DC signal path (utility section) might be useful.
BTW its a nice scope but my floppy is broken.

rgds.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 24, 2014, 06:54:23 PM
For the new UK build, how do you sense the position of the rotor?  The same thing applies to other QEG builds.  From looking at the other waveforms you can deduce the position of the rotor.  But if you are going to be scientific you have to actually measure the position of the rotor to be certain and to make the corelation with your other waveforms.

The answer is to place a "guitar pickup" into the one of the side walls of the QEG.   A guitar pickup consists of a small cylindrical magnet wrapped in a coil of wire next to the vibrating string.  In the case of the QEG, the rotor passing the pick-up represents the vibrating string.  This will generate emf in the coil wrapped around the magnet.  That becomes the "tick" that you can see on your oscilloscope.

A small guitar pickup circuit embedded in the Perspex side walls of the UK QEG should work just fine.  It will generate a tick on the arrival and departure of the rotor.  Note the rotor is quite thick and the small guitar pickup will be perhaps only 5 mm in diameter, so you should have enough resolution to see the arrival and departure of each half of the spinning rotor.

Every single QEG build should have this or something equivalent to this to record the angular position of the rotor relative to all of your other waveforms.  If you can't or won't do this then you are just "playing house."

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 24, 2014, 08:40:41 PM
Gong update.
The gong count is now at 11.  Yes, 10 + 1.  12 - 1.  Dual vertical line segments in close proximity.

Look at the claim of video uploader dmurphy25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXA2EMInHJg
"The moment that the UK QEG first achieved resonance, an astounding feat since according to the scientific establishment there should not be any power generated since there are no magnets employed in this system"

There you have it.  Out right lie.  I do not attribute this lie to the FTW group.  The youtube account uploader dmurphy25 or whoever wrote the description has just proven ignorance of the subject matter and the desire not to research.  Had uploader perused the many forums including an official qeg be-do.com, without bothering to do a Wiki or read an actual book, that person would be introduced to parametric excitation and variable reluctance motors / generators.  In short, the spinning steel rotor varies the inductance of the steel core.  The coils wrapped around the core are influenced by this change in inductance and respond with magnetic force and current. This is not a case of wood moving passed a wire coil miraculously generating power as some would have you believe.  This is known acknowledge documented proven utilized technology.

No magnets.  Are you kidding me?  Variable reluctance motors are mass produced.  Anyone not familiar with one can just look left or right to see the fan sitting on a desktop.  Oh, it was no magnets!  Disassemble it, manually spin the blades and watch as power is generated on the coil without one single magnet in the assembly.

Here is a few hits when taking the time to bother to do an internet search engine query for variable and switched reluctance generator before claiming pioneering miracles.  Seems the "scientific establishment" has this "astounding feat" covered already.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_Motors_and_Generators
- Patent 5705918 : http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5705918.pdf
- Patent http://www.faqs.org/patents/app/20100033029
- 72 references review to usages and improvements of switched reluctance generators: http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=25035#.U6m_nijFKSo

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 24, 2014, 08:47:29 PM
For the new UK build, how do you sense the position of the rotor?  The same thing applies to other QEG builds.  From looking at the other waveforms you can deduce the position of the rotor.  But if you are going to be scientific you have to actually measure the position of the rotor to be certain and to make the corelation with your other waveforms.

The answer is to place a "guitar pickup" into the one of the side walls of the QEG.   A guitar pickup consists of a small cylindrical magnet wrapped in a coil of wire next to the vibrating string.  In the case of the QEG, the rotor passing the pick-up represents the vibrating string.  This will generate emf in the coil wrapped around the magnet.  That becomes the "tick" that you can see on your oscilloscope.

A small guitar pickup circuit embedded in the Perspex side walls of the UK QEG should work just fine.  It will generate a tick on the arrival and departure of the rotor.  Note the rotor is quite thick and the small guitar pickup will be perhaps only 5 mm in diameter, so you should have enough resolution to see the arrival and departure of each half of the spinning rotor.

Every single QEG build should have this or something equivalent to this to record the angular position of the rotor relative to all of your other waveforms.  If you can't or won't do this then you are just "playing house."

MileHigh
Or you can buy a Honeywell variable reluctance sensor complete with threads, drill the hole, thread it, and screw in the sensor.  This is the type of sensor that the hapless John Rohner tried to use but was unable to in farcical his plasma engine.  They have been used for a long time in machinery, typically with a gear that has one tooth removed to indicate the zero position.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 24, 2014, 09:21:44 PM
Larry @ be-do.com says:
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I recommend others do as I did - contribute a bit to the crowd funding projects and wait for the technical details to be worked out. This is an excellent time to get your team together and get your sources of materials worked out as you have been doing. The QEG technology is advancing rapidly, and I am confident that it won't be much longer until we have a set of plans and procedures nailed down.


For those who do not frequent be-do, there is a current discussion that the QEG could be dangerous, as it could open a gate through which energy might flow uncontrolled from the aether and destroy the world. I think they might be onto something here. Just to be on the safe side I think they should put an immediate stop to things right now before its too late and we all fry.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 24, 2014, 09:28:09 PM
Tell Larry that set of plans and procedures are called:
http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/qeg-user-manual-3-25-14.pdf

Or did he forget.
"Due diligence has been applied to ensure that the QEG instructions are complete and correct." Page 3.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 24, 2014, 09:55:22 PM
Larry is a hoot.  Don't be surprised if Larry becomes Poor Missing Hapless Larry when the house of cards starts to collapse.  He will probably be one of the first to run away and vacate the forum never to be heard from again.

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I think that it is a good idea to wait a bit - let the current teams work out the details and get a good solid tuning procedure established. As you said, one misstep could be a very expensive mistake, so unless you have enough funds available to where a blown core wouldn't hurt you financially, the prudent option is to wait. I recommend others do as I did - contribute a bit to the crowd funding projects and wait for the technical details to be worked out. This is an excellent time to get your team together and get your sources of materials worked out as you have been doing. The QEG technology is advancing rapidly, and I am confident that it won't be much longer until we have a set of plans and procedures nailed down.

Larry

I do give him credit for advising some people to wait before spending the big bucks.  Q: How do you tune a QEG that is already in resonance?  A:  Hum!

About those blown cores...  I can just see it..... A QEG is in resonance and they are pushing that baby with everything they've got.  And then all of a sudden *POOF* and there is black powdered soot everywhere!

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 24, 2014, 10:52:04 PM
Here you go MileHigh.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 24, 2014, 11:35:57 PM
The QEG is da bomb!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 25, 2014, 12:30:11 AM
Larry is a hoot.  Don't be surprised if Larry becomes Poor Missing Hapless Larry when the house of cards starts to collapse.  He will probably be one of the first to run away and vacate the forum never to be heard from again.

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I think that it is a good idea to wait a bit - let the current teams work out the details and get a good solid tuning procedure established. As you said, one misstep could be a very expensive mistake, so unless you have enough funds available to where a blown core wouldn't hurt you financially, the prudent option is to wait. I recommend others do as I did - contribute a bit to the crowd funding projects and wait for the technical details to be worked out. This is an excellent time to get your team together and get your sources of materials worked out as you have been doing. The QEG technology is advancing rapidly, and I am confident that it won't be much longer until we have a set of plans and procedures nailed down.

Larry

I do give him credit for advising some people to wait before spending the big bucks.  Q: How do you tune a QEG that is already in resonance?  A:  Hum!

About those blown cores...  I can just see it..... A QEG is in resonance and they are pushing that baby with everything they've got.  And then all of a sudden *POOF* and there is black powdered soot everywhere!

MileHigh

These are professional scammers, Larry is probably a fictitious entity and not an individual, and his posts are probably done by either Hopegirl, James or they have someone else just post what Hopegirl or James wants them to post. This is par for the course in these situations, A fictitious entity is created to make it seem some unconnected person is totally convinced and it also gives an outlet for all kinds of weird and crazy ideas to be put forward. It happens all the time in other situations.

It's also a way to give encouragement to donate and to "be patient", by using a proxy they don't look quite so much like money hungry shameless scammers.

If he is real then maybe Larry is getting a cut, which would make him one of them..

Larry should end up in court as well as he is virtually soliciting funds for them. Be careful Larry.  :D

..

His advice is telling, he is saying " don't build a QEG yourself (because then you can test it and see the efficiency yourself), rather just donate and wait till the already "working" QEG gets worked out so it works". He's gotta be one of them or he's just a shill for them, paid or not.

....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 25, 2014, 01:59:52 AM

Maybe the QEG causes a rift in the space-time continuum and, in an altered past the team has already achieved O.U. so they are not really lying?  Or, possibly they have seen the future and they know they are going to do it so, that makes their statements correct?

Their attorney is going to have to consider defenses like this in order to keep them out of jail before this thing is over.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 25, 2014, 04:25:16 AM
 :D Maybe they'll run a crowd funding campaign to raise money so they can pay a lawyer.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 25, 2014, 08:10:51 AM
When I was working on my Orbette 2.0 I used a 3600-line optical encoder wheel and sensor from USDigital, a great company with great products. In fact I stacked two optical wheels and sensors: one for easy pulse timing and the other for precise position sensing. Using the fine-line wheel, a DAC converter (also USDigital) and a chart recorder, I was able precisely to determine things like rotor power dissipation, acceleration-deceleration profiles and such like that. Counting the lines digitally will allow precise rotor position reporting.

http://www.usdigital.com/products/encoders

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 25, 2014, 05:48:02 PM
My how time flies. Looking for current news on the QEG builds, there isn't much. But I see all these ecstatic reports of Resonance!

For example, the Taiwan team reported Resonance on April 4, and the German QEG builders reported getting Resonance back on April 10. Two and a half months ago.
Resonance in Morocco on April 28, nearly two months ago.

How long does it take to make a completed self-runner, using the complete and correct plans (which don't mention insulation problems, potting, shrouds, etc.)? You'd think that with three thousand Chinese engineers, and teams all over the world reporting Resonance _months ago_ that there would be self-runners all over the place by now.

Maybe the engineers are all distracted by the football or something.

Or maybe..... just maybe..... they are realizing that this whole affair is a scam and that "resonance" is just another Red Herring and all they really have for their thousands and thousands of dollars investment is a big, grossly inefficient variable reluctance generator operating on well known principles and there is _no hope whatsoever_ of creating a "self runner" or even anything approaching modern generator efficiencies with this silly doorstop design.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 25, 2014, 08:47:22 PM
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From be-do SA Team:
The next step is to run the QEG up and achieve resonance, there may be a small party at this point.
To TK's point that's as far as anyone ever gets. We will here a lot about the party with pics I'm sure then silence.

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Also from SA Team:
We intend to have information and training nights where interested people can come for a demonstration. This presents an opportunity to explain the Hope Girl FTW concept, and to raise funds to build more units and to begin to educate people on the truth of our world.
That being to promote fraud around the world

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red49er at be-do asking SA team:
I'd be very interested in voltage and current measurements across the primary and separately the secondary coils at fixed rotor speeds. This would be of enormous help in tweeking and modifying the QEG to obtain even better results.

And of the UK team:
Please share with the rest of us some pics. or video of an oscilloscope screen just before and then at resonance. I'd be very interested in voltage and current measurements across the primary and separately the secondary coils at fixed rotor speeds. This would be of enormous help in tweeking and modifying the QEG to obtain even better results
Nice one! Very sneaky!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 25, 2014, 10:52:35 PM
Information and training nights! To see a demonstration of what, a Self-Runner that was claimed to work, already last September? I laugh in my coffee at these liars.

But they don't know how to use oscilloscopes properly, they don't know anything about high voltage safety, they have brushed away the blatant lies about 150 hours, working prototypes, five weeks, water pumps, giving working units away to poor villages... all of that has been brushed under the carpet and cannot be discussed at the "information and training nights". And when someone asks them to show a working unit, just to demonstrate they have the "information" they pretend to, and the skills and techniques to make a self runner that they will "train" others to have..... will there be an honest answer, or will there be more partying, chanting, bong, er gong clanging and group humms?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 26, 2014, 12:39:23 AM
All:

It's the familiar pattern repeating itself.  That's why I posted my technical stuff, in the hope that someone is helped or is simply motivated to start doing some real investigations and start asking the right questions. Instead, people on the official forum talk about the build material selection and a myriad of other secondary things.  Sure, they are valid questions but the most important questions are about getting the thing running as claimed, and making measurements and sharing data.  That's why I discussed waveforms and the sensor for detecting the position of the rotor and and other relevant issues.  It always seems to fall on deaf ears.

I "can't stand" the notion of "people that want to make a difference" and "people that are outside the regimented and programmed system that controls us" acting like the most passive drones that have adapted to the New Order.  Where is their spirit?  Where is their individuality?  How come it's only the party line?  It's like the "rebels" have dissolved into mush, and now they just don't think and take orders instead, or they take "self orders."  It borders on a cult, it's almost like a form of Milgram experiment where people reject the authority of the "powers that be, the 'enslavers'" and then submit to the authority of the "New Leaders" and simply take their explicit or implicit marching orders.  The "administered shock" is when the "pacified rebels" encourage others to join or make a donation using the FTW storyline.

What's the net result of this "rebel to mush-brain" phenomenon?   The net result is that there is no discussion or debate at all about wanting proof of over unity.  The net result is that there is no discussion or debate at all about the fact that the two sets of data released by FTW show efficiencies of less than 50%.  The net result is that there is no discussion or debate at all about the fact that a high "VARS number" (the primary LC resonator) will not transfer into a continuous over unity power output.  It's nuts.

I don't have a solution.  In a way I am shocked that people can seemingly lose their individuality and "join the Be-Do hive" to join the "QEGorg Collective."

For those in the QEG realm that still have some working sponge material and you are siting on the fence my advice to you is this:  Don't spend a single red cent and instead simply wait.  Contribute if you want in other ways but not one red cent until you see convincing proof it actually works.  Keep in mind that FTW have made several claims of over unity over the past two months worth of testing and they are all lies.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 26, 2014, 01:08:05 AM
Maybe the QEG causes a rift in the space-time continuum and, in an altered past the team has already achieved O.U. so they are not really lying?  Or, possibly they have seen the future and they know they are going to do it so, that makes their statements correct?

Their attorney is going to have to consider defenses like this in order to keep them out of jail before this thing is over.

Bill

Can you throw in a 1967 version of Joan Collins?  That will spice up the narrative!  (Throw in a green chick also!)
Title: Tesla patent and QEG
Post by: pmgr on June 27, 2014, 08:09:08 AM
All,

Since it has been a bit quiet on the technical front, I did some more simulations and have made a graph of the locking process of the rotor when the system gets into resonance, see the attached picture.

In this case, the rotor is spun up to about 50Hz (3000rpm, or angular velocity S=50*2*pi=314 rad/sec). When the electrical resonance builds up sufficiently, you can see the stator starting to act on the rotor. In this particular depicted case, the torque between the stator and rotor will cause the rotor to start slowing down and locking into the electrical resonance frequency of about 84Hz (equivalent angular velocity is half of the electrical resonance and is S=42*2*pi=264 rad/s).

Electrical resonance frequency is f = 1/(2*pi*sqrt(L*C)) and should be ideally 100Hz for a rotor spinning at 50Hz, but in this simulation, the actual electrical resonance is at 84Hz and the system is able to pull the mechanical rotation speed into sync with the 84Hz electrical resonance by exerting a negative torque on the rotor and slowing the rotor down until it locks into the electrical resonance.

This locking effect is described by Tesla in his 511,916 patent (that patent IS mentioned in the QEG documents). But that's all this patent is about.... nothing else.....

I thought it was interesting that I am able to reproduce this locking effect with my simulations.


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Title: Re:Tesla patent and QEG
Post by: isim on June 27, 2014, 01:25:25 PM
@pmgr

Glad to read your post.
"This locking effect is described by Tesla in his 511,916 patent (that patient IS mentioned in the QEG documents). But that's all this patent is about.... nothing else.....
I thought it was interesting that I am able to reproduce this locking effect with my simulations."
This is exactly my thinking...
Please, Is it possible to have more information on your simulation?
(even by private mail...) (program, and model used)
Thanks

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 27, 2014, 09:31:51 PM
All:

It's the familiar pattern repeating itself.  That's why I posted my technical stuff, in the hope that someone is helped or is simply motivated to start doing some real investigations and start asking the right questions. Instead, people on the official forum talk about the build material selection and a myriad of other secondary things.  Sure, they are valid questions but the most important questions are about getting the thing running as claimed, and making measurements and sharing data.  That's why I discussed waveforms and the sensor for detecting the position of the rotor and and other relevant issues.  It always seems to fall on deaf ears.

I "can't stand" the notion of "people that want to make a difference" and "people that are outside the regimented and programmed system that controls us" acting like the most passive drones that have adapted to the New Order.  Where is their spirit?  Where is their individuality?  How come it's only the party line?  It's like the "rebels" have dissolved into mush, and now they just don't think and take orders instead, or they take "self orders."  It borders on a cult, it's almost like a form of Milgram experiment where people reject the authority of the "powers that be, the 'enslavers'" and then submit to the authority of the "New Leaders" and simply take their explicit or implicit marching orders.  The "administered shock" is when the "pacified rebels" encourage others to join or make a donation using the FTW storyline.

What's the net result of this "rebel to mush-brain" phenomenon?   The net result is that there is no discussion or debate at all about wanting proof of over unity.  The net result is that there is no discussion or debate at all about the fact that the two sets of data released by FTW show efficiencies of less than 50%.  The net result is that there is no discussion or debate at all about the fact that a high "VARS number" (the primary LC resonator) will not transfer into a continuous over unity power output.  It's nuts.

I don't have a solution.  In a way I am shocked that people can seemingly lose their individuality and "join the Be-Do hive" to join the "QEGorg Collective."

For those in the QEG realm that still have some working sponge material and you are siting on the fence my advice to you is this:  Don't spend a single red cent and instead simply wait.  Contribute if you want in other ways but not one red cent until you see convincing proof it actually works.  Keep in mind that FTW have made several claims of over unity over the past two months worth of testing and they are all lies.

MileHigh

They are indeed astounding liars, aren't they. I've just been going over this page:
http://pesn.com/2014/05/31/9502505_33-x-overunity_QEG_claimed/ (http://pesn.com/2014/05/31/9502505_33-x-overunity_QEG_claimed/)

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This is THE GROUND BREAKING POST that we are hoping to make viral. It shows 33 times over unity in the Morocco QEG core. This has been done through a specially made video and a professional report. It should be noted that the equipment needed to take these measurements that many has been demanding cost $75,000 and was donated to the QEG project.  We had to wait for this in order to be able to provide these figures freely to the people.
 
 We could not complete the project to show self looping in Morocco because we ran out of time and money.  Morocco  being an underdeveloped country  made accomplishing simple engineering tasks very costly and time consuming as most of the parts we needed we could not find in the country.  The last phase of QEG development is simple in comparison to what we have already accomplished. We need to build a transverter (which is already being built) to convert and withdraw the enormous power that is already in the core. We will be completing this phase in the UK at a private build and will open source the results. There are many QEG teams around the world that are co-developing this with us, all of them will be utilizing these results to bring QEG’s to their communities.
 
 Please help us spread this important news by sharing it on your blog. To the best of our knowledge, nothing like this has ever been done in this manner before. The magnitude of what is occurring here is unprecedented. Free energy, opensourced, co-developed, well publicized, over unity demonstrated with professional equipment with a top of the line industry standard report. All of it crowd-funded by the people with a complete detailed and truly transparent report of expenditures.
 

It's a real hoot to read the comments, to see where MileHigh's excellent analyses have been DELETED and replaced by Stuart's silly rants... but posts by other people making outrageous and paranoid _false claims_ are allowed to stand without editing, or rather CENSORING.

But let's just look at the "75,000 dollars" worth of test equipment they claim is necessary to show 33x overunity. Is there no ability to reason left amongst these fakers and their hangers-on?

Give me a system.... ANY SYSTEM... that actually really genuinely produces 33x OU... or even THREE TIMES OU... and I guarantee, absolutely, that I will be able to demonstrate that fact for a lot less than 75,000 dollars in test equipment.

But let's look at the actual workbench test equipment that they are using. How do you get 75 thousand dollars? The most expensive item is the oscilloscope and I've already shown that the exact same model is available on the used market for well under 5 thousand dollars and can be had in fully refurbished condition complete with current NIST-traceable calibration for under 15 thousand dollars. The next most expensive bit of kit is likely the High-Voltage Scope Probe which costs, brand new, about 2 thousand dollars.

So I want to see  "a complete detailed and truly transparent report of expenditures" detailing the actual costs paid for the:

Tektronix Oscilloscope (which I believe was _loaned_ to the QEGers, not purchased by them)
High-Voltage Probe Set
Stangenes Current Transformer
Fluke DMM
Kill-a-Watt mains supply wattmeter
Assorted Variacs, power supplies, etc.
Banks of light bulbs, whatever.

Seventy-five thousand dollars worth of kit. NO F****ING WAY.
33x Overunity.... another blatant and outrageous lie.

"Content removed" in MileHigh's posts: Censorship of the kind typical of fascists the world over.

Measurements provided freely to the people..... I laugh at the "measurements". I give better daily progress reports on frigging JOULE THIEFS than these people do on their seventyfive thousand dollars of test equipment and their using of it to make their daily tests.

Speaking of the daily activity of the QEG building teams around the world.... what do you suppose a typical day looks like for James Robitaille right now? Just what does he actually DO in the "lab" all day long? Run the machine until the rotor phase-locks and the light bulbs come on? Then everybody goes to lunch? Then in the afternoon... do it again?

Whheeeee! Resonance!......

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 27, 2014, 09:46:25 PM
The "Be-Do Com" YT videos concerning the QEG of course have "comments disabled". This kind of pre-censorship is also typical of these scammers. But they forgot to disable comments on the channel itself (easy to do since nobody looks at these very much, YT has made them hard to find.)

So I left this comment there, just now. Let's see if it lasts.

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It's very clever of you to disable comments on the QEG videos you post. This prevents any discussion.... since you've probably noticed that comments, when they are allowed, are overwhelmingly negative.

Your forum is a joke, too.... moribund and full of sycophants and people who are so ignorant of their topic that they cannot even read or interpret the "open source" plans.

You'd think there would be daily progress reports from all the different teams happily building away and obtaining Resonance.... but that's where it stops.

Can you explain the claim of "75 thousand dollars" worth of equipment being necessary to show the "33x Overunity" that has been claimed? Of course you cannot, since it's another blatant lie. The scope can be purchased for less than 5 thousand dollars, for example.

 "Free energy, opensourced, co-developed, well publicized, over unity demonstrated with professional equipment with a top of the line industry standard report. All of it crowd-funded by the people with a complete detailed and truly transparent report of expenditures."

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/)

Feel free to post that complete detailed and truly transparent report of expenditures... as soon as you have fabricated it.


https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsFAF1_8B5cZ7YhpcjFFNfA/discussion (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsFAF1_8B5cZ7YhpcjFFNfA/discussion)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on June 27, 2014, 10:37:29 PM
All
Do you know this  QEG simulation:

http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-17

Here an output of Pspice:
http://static.allmystery.de/upics/83e7c2_QEG_Sim_2014-06-25_Overlay.jpg
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 27, 2014, 10:38:51 PM
Come, let us research and calculate together.

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FTW has freely created this video with the QEG engineering artist James Robitaille exemplifying how overunity is measured in the QEG. The cost of the equipment needed to test the power in the QEG core and provide these measurements and the accompanying report would be nearly $75,000, and was lovingly lent to the project so that we could show these measurements freely to the people. We would like to thank our anonymous equipment donors, without whom the development and presentation of these measurements would not be possible. We would also ask that all of those in the free energy movement that place demands of proof and measurements on a volunteer humanitarian project please consider and help supply the cost associated with meeting these demands.

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/

Equipment referred to is listed here:

https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-june-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v2-011.pdf
Page 5.

Prices of all that equipment gathered from half an hour's web searching:

Tektronix P6015 1000x HV Probe $1980.00

Stangenes 0.5-0.1W Current Transformer Probe
Models range from 200 to 500 dollars

Fluke 187 TRMS DMM
Originally sold for $419.95, now replaced by Fluke 287 for $449.95

Tektronix TDS3054 Oscilloscope
Refurbished with calibration, $12,757.50

Maplins Plug-in Energy Saving Monitor
about $17.00

Fluke i30S Current Probe
about $600.00

Total cost $16,304. Add in misc. apparatus, shipping and taxes and call it a round $20,000 for all the test equipment listed in the official QEG report of the Morocco "33x" experience.

Let's see.... 75,000/20,000 = a COP of 3.75! This is as close to "overunity" as the QEGgers will ever get.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 27, 2014, 11:00:58 PM
All
Do you know this  QEG simulation:

http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-17 (http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-17)

Here an output of Pspice:
http://static.allmystery.de/upics/83e7c2_QEG_Sim_2014-06-25_Overlay.jpg (http://static.allmystery.de/upics/83e7c2_QEG_Sim_2014-06-25_Overlay.jpg)
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I'd call that a pretty good fit!

So another claim of the QEGgers is proven to be a lie: this "resonance" effect in variable reluctance motors/generators is ordinary, is expected, has been fully described in the literature for many years, and is precisely repeatable in simulations.

And it clearly has nothing whatsoever to do with "overunity" performance. You cannot run a motor -- or a household -- on pretty colored squiggly lines of VARs no  matter how large the numbers are when you multiply them all together.
Title: Re: Tesla patent and QEG
Post by: F_Brown on June 28, 2014, 03:58:40 AM
All,

Since it has been a bit quiet on the technical front, I did some more simulations and have made a graph of the locking process of the rotor when the system gets into resonance, see the attached picture.

In this case, the rotor is spun up to about 50Hz (3000rpm, or angular velocity S=50*2*pi=314 rad/sec). When the electrical resonance builds up sufficiently, you can see the stator starting to act on the rotor. In this particular depicted case, the torque between the stator and rotor will cause the rotor to start slowing down and locking into the electrical resonance frequency of about 84Hz (equivalent angular velocity is half of the electrical resonance and is S=42*2*pi=264 rad/s).

Electrical resonance frequency is f = 1/(2*pi*sqrt(L*C)) and should be ideally 100Hz for a rotor spinning at 50Hz, but in this simulation, the actual electrical resonance is at 84Hz and the system is able to pull the mechanical rotation speed into sync with the 84Hz electrical resonance by exerting a negative torque on the rotor and slowing the rotor down until it locks into the electrical resonance.

This locking effect is described by Tesla in his 511,916 patent (that patent IS mentioned in the QEG documents). But that's all this patent is about.... nothing else.....

I thought it was interesting that I am able to reproduce this locking effect with my simulations.


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Hey Roger,

Can you increase the input power, and see what happens?

Are you including the moments of inertia for both the motor and the rotor?

Maybe the dip in the waveform that my model lacks might be due to inertial interaction with the electrical/magnetic forces in the generator.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on June 28, 2014, 04:11:47 AM
All
Do you know this  QEG simulation:

http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-17 (http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-17)

Here an output of Pspice:
http://static.allmystery.de/upics/83e7c2_QEG_Sim_2014-06-25_Overlay.jpg (http://static.allmystery.de/upics/83e7c2_QEG_Sim_2014-06-25_Overlay.jpg)
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It's interesting that he is also getting the dip.  Here is a translation of the page from Google:

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Translate (https://translate.google.com/)   Due to the oddities that have emerged in the analysis of QEG primary resonant circuit, I'm all for more complex simulations than they are practicable possible with Excel, switched to the circuit simulation program LTspice. LTspice can here (for Windows, WINE, and Mac) free download: http://www.linear.com/designtools/software/. Provided that the existing ambiguities can be clarified satisfactorily, I would, however, still also create an Excel simulation, as they mE is accessible to more people.

This is the LTspice circuit that I designed for the simulation of QEG primary resonant circuit:

The voltage source Vinit far left is used to charge the capacitor C1 to a defined starting voltage. The two timer TSW1 and TSW2 provide top left a timed Y switcher Represent are - a more elegant way we do not seem to be in LTspice - imaged by formulaic controlled resistors that after a set period (1 microsecond), their resistance of 1 nOhm ("on") on 1 Gohms ("off") change, and vice versa. First TSW1 and TSW2 a turned off, whereby the capacitor C1 is connected to the power source Vinit and is separated from the resonant circuit. After the period is TSW1 turns off and a TSW2, which separated from C1 Vinit, and is connected to the resonant circuit.

The somewhat peculiar construct in the dashed rectangle in the right half of the circuit is a variable inductance. Between the inductance VLX VLY and is controlled by the voltage LCtrl, where 1 volt corresponds to an inductance of 1 LCtrl Henry. I have taken the concept of the variable inductance of the following paper, in which you will also find a detailed derivation of this: Energy Accumulation in Waves Travelling through a Checkerboard Dielectric Material Structure in Space-time (p. 26 ff.)

Although the LTspice Standard inductance also allows a modeling of inductance, but only in an indirect way. You can specify an expression for the flux, which for example may be represent a magnetic saturation depends on the current flow can be (which indirectly corresponds to an inductance). For a variable inductance in the form as it is used here, this method seems however to be not suitable.

Besides the two main elements capacitor and inductor are in the resonant circuit nor a series load resistor RSeR and a parallel load resistance Rpar. RSeR also has the task of imaging the ohmic resistance of the inductor.

The "monster" formula at the bottom of the circuit used to control the Induktivitätsverlaufs. I had this controller first with a generated in Excel PWL file (PWL = piecewise linear = piecewise linear, ie, the curve is composed of short linear sections) realized, but this was quite impractical, since each parameter change required quite a few steps. Finally, it is, however, I managed to gather all the necessary elements in a closed formula.

The basis of the Induktivitätsverlaufs is a normal sine wave (specifically an inverted cosine oscillation, so that the course starts at a minimum). The. Param row below the circuit contains the appropriate control parameters. Lmin is the Induktivitätsminimum, Lmax at the Induktivitätsmaximum. Lfreq is the target frequency of the resonant circuit, where (important!) the frequency of the inductance is exactly twice as high. Lhold indicates a percentage (0 to 1), while the inductor is maintained at each half-wave (at the beginning or end of the total vibration) is at its minimum. This corresponds to my theory described herein, that the inductance of the primary coil QEG probably remains in the movement of the rotor between the stator poles near its minimum. Lhold = 0 corresponds to a normal sine oscillation. Lexp indicates an additional potentiation, which is applied to the pure harmonic component (without offset). Values​​> 1 (eg, 2 = square) lead to a narrower curve, values ​​<1 (eg 0.5 = square root) to a wider curve compared to a normal sine wave (Lexp = 1).

A few examples:

In the simulation, the voltage curve is green and the power curve blue, while the superposed QEG-oscilloscope measurement the voltage curve yellow, and the power curve is turquoise. The gray curve represents the (enlarged) the course of the inductance dar. Considering the deliberate vertical displacement of the superimposed QEG-oscilloscope measurement by half a small tick (as explained here) are in the scale height of the simulation and the oscilloscope's almost exactly the same. For the curve of Induktivitätsverlaufs the combination has = 0.35 and = 0.5 Lexp experimentally proven from Lhold as well suited to the - recreate "Batman" waveform of the oscilloscope measurement of the real QEG - as I call it;) . RSeR is set to the estimated ohmic resistance of the primary coils QEG of 50 ohms, Rpar an experimentally determined value of 252 ohms representing the load (light bulb) to the secondary coil QEG.

Also, the simulation of Asterix's resonant generator (based on the same principle as the QEG, but was designed completely independent of a few years ago of Asterix) gives a good agreement with the real experiment (but again, only with a much higher set Induktivitätsmaximum, instead of 350 mH in the range around 900 mH):


In the simulation again, the voltage curve and the current curve is green blue, while the superimposed real oscilloscope measurement apparatus, the voltage curve red, and the power curve is yellow. The gray curve represents the (enlarged) History of the inductor represents the scale height of the simulation and the oscilloscope agree almost exactly the same. The curve of the Induktivitätsverlaufs is here, as measured by Asterix, a normal sine curve (Asterix's apparatus is significantly different in this respect from QEG). RSeR is set to the specified Asterix 11 ohms (10 ohms + 1 ohm) (the ohmic resistance of the coil is likely to be negligible in this apparatus), Rpar is disabled (1 Gohms).

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Shanti on June 28, 2014, 01:08:36 PM
BTW, the main thread is on the german forum http://www.energiederzukunft.org/forum/5-allgemeines-forum/2988-quantum-energy-generator?start=198#6862 (http://www.energiederzukunft.org/forum/5-allgemeines-forum/2988-quantum-energy-generator?start=198#6862)

But this user also posts in the allmystery forum, you mentioned. But on the main forum is also the user Asterix, which replicated a QEG (not 1:1) and made measurements, and together they are now simulating it...
So all interested might take sometimes take a short look into that german thread...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 29, 2014, 07:56:42 AM
I finally came up with another test.

Let's keep the numbers simple and assume this:

600 watts electrical-in to power the motor.
Assume the motor outputs 500 watts of mechanical power that is transferred into the rotor.
Assume that 100 watts go into the light bulb load.

So what happens to the "missing" 400 watts?  Nobody has discussed this seriously.

The fantasy is that the "tuning" of the QEG that is already operating in resonance will make the "magic jump" from -400 watts to +10,000 watts.  They are probably thinking of changing the capacitance values and moving up and down in the resonance frequency as one way to look for the "magic jump."  That certainly will not happen.  You will recall that James already tried something like this with no results.  I can't think off-hand of what other "tuning" they could do.

So let's come back to Earth and discuss the "missing" 400 watts.

The vast majority of the missing power is probably being burnt off in the coil windings.  They are resistors at the same time, something that you always have to be conscious of.  As the rotor turns and it is between poles, there is a sequence when there is current flowing between both primaries and they are in flux-self cancellation mode.  In my opinion this is the ridiculous flaw in the design.  As the rotor turns through a full cycle, there are certain rotor angles where the two primaries are in a magnetic short circuit configuration.  That causes higher currents and the magnetic energy that is stored in the dynamic core assembly will short itself out in the resistances of the primary coil wires.  Then part of the cycle as the rotor spins is to "push" energy back into the core/capacitors to replenish the lost magnetic/electrostatic energy.  That causes Lenz drag on the rotor.  And every "push" is 80% in vain because only 20% of that push makes it to the light bulb load.  80% of the push energy is destroyed and rendered unusable as it is turned into waste heat.

Next posting for the test.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 29, 2014, 08:23:03 AM
The test to find the missing 400 watts is a simple thermal test.  All that you need is a LASER thermometer and a notepad and a watch.

For starters, don't run the QEG for one full day.

Again, were are going to assume 400 "missing" watts as an illustration.  We are going to assume for illustrative purposes the thermal time constant of the center of the toroidal core is two hours.  If you don't know what a thermal time constant is then look it up.  If you don't know why I am saying the "center of the core" then look that up also.

Then you start the test.  You run the QEG for one-half hour and every ten minutes you record the temperature of the core at five locations.  You then switch off the QEG and you keep on taking temperature measurements every ten minutes for four more hours.

Then you wait a full day without running the QEG.

For the second part of the test you will not have the QEG running.  Instead, you will just put DC current through the coils.

With your bench power supply, you connect it to the coils of the QEG and you dial up the required current so that the power supply is outputting 400 watts.  You pump 400 watts DC into the QEG and make the same thermal measurements.

Then you compare the temperature data to see how similar it is between the running QEG and the static QEG connected to the DC power supply.

If the two sets of data are very similar, then with a very high degree of certainty you can say that you have solved the mystery of the "missing" watts - the lost power is all being burned off in the wiring because of periodic magnetic short-circuits in the core assembly.

This test is just as important as any attempted over unity test.  The most important thing about testing the QEG is to UNDERSTAND where the power is going.  That's what it's all about.

I am not discussing the fine tuning of this experiment, I am just laying out the broad brush strokes.  The effects due to the air circulation caused by the spinning rotor may have to be compensated for.  Setting up a proper thermal environment is another issue I am not discussing.

Here is a scenario:  You do the thermal test and master it.  Then you try to tune the QEG for over unity but you never get there.  You look at your efficiency numbers and you make some spot thermal checks and because of the knowledge you built up from your own thermal testing, and looking at the RMS current levels in the coils, you KNOW that the missing efficiency is all going into the heating up of the core.

So, that is another challenge for anybody that is truly serious about understanding their QEG build;  understand the measured efficiency of the QEG and relate that back to the temperature rise in the core.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 29, 2014, 10:27:20 AM
I finally came up with another test.

Let's keep the numbers simple and assume this:

600 watts electrical-in to power the motor.
Assume the motor outputs 500 watts of mechanical power that is transferred into the rotor.
Assume that 100 watts go into the light bulb load.

So what happens to the "missing" 400 watts?  Nobody has discussed this seriously.

The fantasy is that the "tuning" of the QEG that is already operating in resonance will make the "magic jump" from -400 watts to +10,000 watts.  They are probably thinking of changing the capacitance values and moving up and down in the resonance frequency as one way to look for the "magic jump."  That certainly will not happen.  You will recall that James already tried something like this with no results.  I can't think off-hand of what other "tuning" they could do.

So let's come back to Earth and discuss the "missing" 400 watts.

The vast majority of the missing power is probably being burnt off in the coil windings.  They are resistors at the same time, something that you always have to be conscious of.  As the rotor turns and it is between poles, there is a sequence when there is current flowing between both primaries and they are in flux-self cancellation mode.  In my opinion this is the ridiculous flaw in the design.  As the rotor turns through a full cycle, there are certain rotor angles where the two primaries are in a magnetic short circuit configuration.  That causes higher currents and the magnetic energy that is stored in the dynamic core assembly will short itself out in the resistances of the primary coil wires.  Then part of the cycle as the rotor spins is to "push" energy back into the core/capacitors to replenish the lost magnetic/electrostatic energy.  That causes Lenz drag on the rotor.  And every "push" is 80% in vain because only 20% of that push makes it to the light bulb load.  80% of the push energy is destroyed and rendered unusable as it is turned into waste heat.

Next posting for the test.

MileHigh
There are two big sources of loss in machines of this kind:  eddy current losses, and resistive losses, otherwise known as: iron losses and copper losses.  Iron losses are a runction of the flux swing and the resistance in the eddy current path. The purpose of making stacks of thin, insulated laminations is to divide the eddy current paths into smaller, much higher resistance sections.  Orientation of the lamination stack is key.  The QEG has been such a bad joke from the start that I never sat down to analyze the flux path.  If the jokers from FTW really messed up, the eddy currents circulate in the plane of each lamination, making the laminations little better than a solid ingot and very lossy.  Good designs hold down copper losses by keeping: a high form factor, short current paths, and conductors of appropriate diameter for the operating frequency.  Lots of power ciculating in a tank leads to both iron and copper losses.  But hey, it gives fraud girl and the rest of the Traveling Grifter Robataille clan a chance to hold hands and hum.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 29, 2014, 03:25:37 PM
Thanks Mark for reminding me about the core losses, it completely slipped my mind.  I assume that the core is made from a stack of flat laminations.  So that sounds right for reducing eddy current losses.  I am not sure about the rotor.  I am assuming hat it is solid and conductive and will have some eddy current losses.

I am posting a graphic that shows two different hysteresis loops for two different types of magnetic core material.  The blue area inside each loop represents the total loss of energy when you travel around the hysteresis loop for each AC cycle.  This energy loss will heat up the core.

I don't think that there has been that much discussion about magnetic hysteresis loops and eddy current losses on the Be-Do forum.  The QEG builders and the Be-Do forum members and the emo fanboys and fangirls that are lurking here will have to do more Google searching if they are unaware of these issues.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 29, 2014, 03:40:02 PM
The test to find the missing 400 watts is a simple thermal test.  All that you need is a LASER thermometer and a notepad and a watch.

For starters, don't run the QEG for one full day.

Again, were are going to assume 400 "missing" watts as an illustration.  We are going to assume for illustrative purposes the thermal time constant of the center of the toroidal core is two hours.  If you don't know what a thermal time constant is then look it up.  If you don't know why I am saying the "center of the core" then look that up also.

Then you start the test.  You run the QEG for one-half hour and every ten minutes you record the temperature of the core at five locations.  You then switch off the QEG and you keep on taking temperature measurements every ten minutes for four more hours.

Then you wait a full day without running the QEG.

For the second part of the test you will not have the QEG running.  Instead, you will just put DC current through the coils.

With your bench power supply, you connect it to the coils of the QEG and you dial up the required current so that the power supply is outputting 400 watts.  You pump 400 watts DC into the QEG and make the same thermal measurements.

Then you compare the temperature data to see how similar it is between the running QEG and the static QEG connected to the DC power supply.

If the two sets of data are very similar, then with a very high degree of certainty you can say that you have solved the mystery of the "missing" watts - the lost power is all being burned off in the wiring because of periodic magnetic short-circuits in the core assembly.

This test is just as important as any attempted over unity test.  The most important thing about testing the QEG is to UNDERSTAND where the power is going.  That's what it's all about.

I am not discussing the fine tuning of this experiment, I am just laying out the broad brush strokes.  The effects due to the air circulation caused by the spinning rotor may have to be compensated for.  Setting up a proper thermal environment is another issue I am not discussing.

Here is a scenario:  You do the thermal test and master it.  Then you try to tune the QEG for over unity but you never get there.  You look at your efficiency numbers and you make some spot thermal checks and because of the knowledge you built up from your own thermal testing, and looking at the RMS current levels in the coils, you KNOW that the missing efficiency is all going into the heating up of the core.

So, that is another challenge for anybody that is truly serious about understanding their QEG build;  understand the measured efficiency of the QEG and relate that back to the temperature rise in the core.

MileHigh

MH:

I like your thermal test idea.  Alas, they will never perform any test like this.  Do you agree that the best test for ANY "claimed" overunity device is self-looping?  Maybe this would not work for a devices operating at 101% but, for the numbers "claimed" by Hopeless Girl, self-looping should be a no brainer right?

Of course, they will not be able to do this for all of the reasons posted by you, TK, Mark E, etc.

I read on Hackaday that kickstarter just kicked someone out for raising money for a "fake" device and for making "false claims" about that device.  Good thing they did except, that group had already raised about $500,000!!!  Will they have to return that money I wonder?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 29, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
Hi Bill,

Thanks for the comments.  I am not a fan at all of self-looping being the "ultimate test."  I feel it over complicates things.  Most of the time the output is not compatible with the input and you have to make some kind of conversion circuitry.  That's the case with the QEG.

There is no reason in the world to not simply "prove over unity" for the QEG by driving a big 10 kilowatt resistive or lightbulb load while the Kill-a-Watt meter shows the drive motor is drawing about one kilowatt worth of mains power.  It's the simplest and easiest "no brainer" way to prove the thing works as claimed.

There were some mutterings from FTW about building some kind of power conversion device, a "transverter," to do a self-looping demo.  If they go that route without measuring the power output into a "big dumb 10 kilowatt load" first, then that would just be another layer of insanity on top of Naima Feagin's already prodigious output.

The thermal test is the fourth or fifth serious test that I have proposed for understanding the operation of the QEG.  To date, I am not aware of any of them being attempted by FTQ or any other QEG builders' group.  The intention for suggesting these tests is three-fold.  Firstly, it's to inspire any QEG builders' group to get serious and really do something tangible and share their data with others.  Secondly, it's to implicitly highlight the inadequacies of the FTW group and their ongoing total lack of transparency and failure to do any serious experiments and share any serious data beyond the paltry tidbits that they have provided so far.  Thirdly, it's to help any serious researchers in the QEG builders' groups find out for themselves with 100% certainty that the entire QEG, and the FTW group that are behind it, are a croc of crap.

You figure that many of the people in the independent groups involved in the QEG are not aware of the free energy cottage industry and how it works.  They are not aware of the consistent pattern of propositions coming forward, the ensuing excitement, then the failed replications, then the original promoters going dark and eventually disappearing, and the replicators who spent all that time and all that money left holding the bag with absolutely nothing to show for it.

That's what's happening with the QEG as we speak, no surprise there.  If let's say three of the independent replication groups had some good technical people and they actually implemented some of my proposed tests and shared their data and made it public, then that would put considerable heat on Naima Feagin and James M. Robitaille.  It might help advance the onset of the "big crash" and put Naima and James out of business more quickly.

My prediction is that in July 2015 we will be discussing FTW and the QEG in the same way we discuss Mylow and Steorn and John Rohner and a whole other cast of questionable characters.  To put it bluntly, they will be dirt.

I know this is upsetting for the QEG lurkers.  Prove me wrong or prove me right by running proper tests and generating and sharing good data.  You can moan and groan all you want with your suppression fantasies, just do the tests and generate the data.  I don't have to spin anything, your own QEG will not lie to you.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 29, 2014, 06:18:22 PM
Both the stator structure and the rotor are made of laminations. I don't know if anyone took the trouble to varnish or anodize the surfaces of the lams before assembly though. Electrically they may still be just big lumps of iron if they haven't electrically isolated the lams from one another. The rotor has some welds across edges of all the laminations that of course will provide that single "turn" current path all the way around the rotor. I don't know if the stator assembly also has welds to hold its lams all in alignment.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 29, 2014, 06:23:18 PM
@MH:

You are missing an accounting trick. Consider this: Before the point of "resonance", there is little or no "output" and the thing cannot even light the lightbulb load bank at all. Yet the input power is still, say, 500 Watts to the drive motor. Now increase the drive motor power to 600 Watts and speed up to the point of resonance where the bulbs come on and the rotor phase-locks. This only cost you 100 (additional) Watts!


Therefore the QEG teams are actually _understating_ their OverUnity Ratio by a factor of six, since they are using the full 600 watts of input in their calcs when they really are only using 100 Watts (additional) to make all of that output "energy".

Right?

 :P
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 29, 2014, 07:27:30 PM
MH:

I like your thermal test idea.  Alas, they will never perform any test like this.  Do you agree that the best test for ANY "claimed" overunity device is self-looping?  Maybe this would not work for a devices operating at 101% but, for the numbers "claimed" by Hopeless Girl, self-looping should be a no brainer right?

Of course, they will not be able to do this for all of the reasons posted by you, TK, Mark E, etc.

I read on Hackaday that kickstarter just kicked someone out for raising money for a "fake" device and for making "false claims" about that device.  Good thing they did except, that group had already raised about $500,000!!!  Will they have to return that money I wonder?

Bill

Here is the link to what I spoke about in the above quoted post.  I did not have time then to hunt it up.

http://hackaday.com/2014/06/26/the-ifind-kickstarter-campaign-was-just-suspended/ (http://hackaday.com/2014/06/26/the-ifind-kickstarter-campaign-was-just-suspended/)

1/2 million dollars on a fraudulent device?  I ask again, will they have to return this money now that it has been determined that their device does not do as claimed? (and never could)

Where is kickstarter on Hopeless Girl's scam?  Good to see that they are at least looking at some of these things over there.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 29, 2014, 08:17:13 PM
Bill:

When I read about that Kickstarter campaign a few weeks ago I thought that it was crazy.  The reason for that is it basically sounds like a variation on an "RFID" (radio frequency identification) system.  These systems have been around for years and years.

Quote
This particular product was a battery-free tag meant to be attached to anything you may lose in your daily life.

RFID systems have been around for a long time.  You ping them with a micro burst of RF energy.  An RFID tag will absorb some of the ping energy and power a microscopic microcontroller that will broadcast stored bits back to the pinging device.  The tiny minuscule of absorbed energy will be consumed to run the micro microcontroller and broadcast back the stored bits.  So RFID tags are "awaken from the dead" by the ping, then they spit back their bits and then they die again.

This whole project sounds like a solution to a manufactured problem (for me at least).  I personally really do not want to put RFID tags on my possessions.  Plus the real solution has existed and has been used in industry for more than 10 years.

It sounds like the Kickstarter scammers simply stole the whole concept and were trying to pitch it as something brand new that they needed lots of money to develop.  In other words, they knew the idea itself would generate funding, because the solution already exists and it's a good idea!  They also knew that the majority of people would not be aware of the existence of RFID tags.

From your link:

Quote
A review of the project uncovered evidence of one or more violations of Kickstarter’s rules, which include:

- A related party posing as an independent, supportive party in project comments or elsewhere
- Misrepresenting support by pledging to your own project
- Misrepresenting or failing to disclose relevant facts about the project or its creator
- Providing inaccurate or incomplete user information to Kickstarter or one of our partners

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 29, 2014, 09:04:17 PM
Bill:

When I read about that Kickstarter campaign a few weeks ago I thought that it was crazy.  The reason for that is it basically sounds like a variation on an "RFID" (radio frequency identification) system.  These systems have been around for years and years.

RFID systems have been around for a long time.  You ping them with a micro burst of RF energy.  An RFID tag will absorb some of the ping energy and power a microscopic microcontroller that will broadcast stored bits back to the pinging device.  The tiny minuscule of absorbed energy will be consumed to run the micro microcontroller and broadcast back the stored bits.  So RFID tags are "awaken from the dead" by the ping, then they spit back their bits and then they die again.

This whole project sounds like a solution to a manufactured problem (for me at least).  I personally really do not want to put RFID tags on my possessions.  Plus the real solution has existed and has been used in industry for more than 10 years.

It sounds like the Kickstarter scammers simply stole the whole concept and were trying to pitch it as something brand new that they needed lots of money to develop.  In other words, they knew the idea itself would generate funding, because the solution already exists and it's a good idea!  They also knew that the majority of people would not be aware of the existence of RFID tags.

From your link:

MileHigh

But, RFID is a passive device that depends upon power from an outside source...like an RFID key fob getting the juice to run from the reader device on the door.  This device, as sold to the investors, was supposed to utilize energy harvesting from the "electro smog" (TK's term) in order to power itself.

The boys at Hackaday determined that this would never meet the device's power requirements and...they were correct.

So, yes, RFID has been around a while and it works BUT, this device was supposed to power itself without any external power source as used by all RFID systems today.

So, my question still stands....1/2 million dollars....do they keep that or do they have to return it?

Will Hopeless Girl have to return her thousands one day?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 29, 2014, 09:33:49 PM
Thanks Mark for reminding me about the core losses, it completely slipped my mind.  I assume that the core is made from a stack of flat laminations.  So that sounds right for reducing eddy current losses.  I am not sure about the rotor.  I am assuming hat it is solid and conductive and will have some eddy current losses.

I am posting a graphic that shows two different hysteresis loops for two different types of magnetic core material.  The blue area inside each loop represents the total loss of energy when you travel around the hysteresis loop for each AC cycle.  This energy loss will heat up the core.

I don't think that there has been that much discussion about magnetic hysteresis loops and eddy current losses on the Be-Do forum.  The QEG builders and the Be-Do forum members and the emo fanboys and fangirls that are lurking here will have to do more Google searching if they are unaware of these issues.

MileHigh
One would presume that they are using stock 3% silicon steel laminations like anyone else building low frequency electrodynamic devices, but who knows.  In that case hysteresis is pretty much a non-issue.  Eddy currents depend on the orientation of the laminations and if oriented correctly:  their thickness.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 29, 2014, 10:00:10 PM
http://peswiki.com/index.php/OS:QEG:FAQ
Q: Does the QEG run hot or cold when operating?

A: The QEG does not run hot. You can touch the motor and the bearings after you shut it down.

I am sure you can touch them, question is for how long of a run and how fast of a touch.  Notice the answer was motor and bearings.  2 factor deception.  The motor is not what is in question.  Should have answered with the rotor or the core.  The bearings are going to get warm regardless of any or no "quantum energy" being conducted from the zero point to the core.  Bearing operating temperature will be based on speed, load, and heat dissipation.  Is the qeg reducing its weight as it generates more power?  Is the qeg cooling down?  Was any temperature measurements even attempted as MileHigh suggested?

If the qeg team was interested in reducing core loss, they would source a lower M rating steel from the current M19 to M15 or M4.  May cost more.  But then again, its all paid for by donations.  Other than humming, shouting, gonging, and disseminating "LOCATION has Resonance!" videos I m not seeing any genuine research or engineering efforts.  They are only replicating the same over and over while expecting different results.

Remember stark believers, the original claim mentions NOTHING about VARS and reactive power.  The Pennsylvania prototype was tested up to 9.3k Watts and machine ran for different durations totaling 150 hours in the 4k Watt range.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 29, 2014, 10:41:19 PM
ACG:

I can only agree with you.  I wonder if the Be-Doers are starting to get frustrated with the general state of affairs.  The recurring themes around here about no test data, lack of transparency, and coupled with the technical analysis suggested by the group and the associated recommended tests must be hitting home ("resonating") with the Be-Doers and the actual replicators.

Are we really such "evil" people for pointing out the obvious and using our common sense?

Are we really such "evil" people for discussing all sorts of technical issues about the QEG and proposing some logical testing protocols?

The people on the Be-Do forum have to start thinking about who the good guys really are and who the bad guys really are.

Plus, to all you Be-Doers out there reading this posting, aren't you feeling frustrated by the stifling atmosphere on your forum and the omnipresent sense of oppression and censorship?  Don't you just want to scream sometimes?

I am going to link and screen capture for the sample message on your forum below.  It's a chilling sample showing you the soft and really unpleasant underbelly on the Be-Do forum:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and#1750

Whose interests are really being served on the Be-Do forum?  The world's interests or the interests of the Fix the World group?

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 29, 2014, 10:49:40 PM
ACG:

I can only agree with you.  I wonder if the Be-Doers are starting to get frustrated with the general state of affairs.  The recurring themes around here about no test data, lack of transparency, and coupled with the technical analysis suggested by the group and the associated recommended tests must be hitting home ("resonating") with the Be-Doers and the actual replicators.

Are we really such "evil" people for pointing out the obvious and using our common sense?

Are we really such "evil" people for discussing all sorts of technical issues about the QEG and proposing some logical testing protocols?

The people on the Be-Do forum have to start thinking about who the good guys really are and who the bad guys really are.

Plus, to all you Be-Doers out there reading this posting, aren't you feeling frustrated by the stifling atmosphere on your forum and the omnipresent sense of oppression and censorship?  Don't you just want to scream sometimes?

I am going to link and screen capture for the sample message on your forum below.  It's a chilling sample showing you the soft and really unpleasant underbelly on the Be-Do forum:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and#1750 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and#1750)

Whose interests are really being served on the Be-Do forum?  The world's interests or the interests of the Fix the World group?

MileHigh

Nice.  Banned for asking questions and seeking the truth.  Well, they can't have that now can they?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rigel4 on June 29, 2014, 10:51:56 PM

Remember stark believers, the original claim mentions NOTHING about VARS and reactive power.  The Pennsylvania prototype was tested up to 9.3k Watts and machine ran for different durations totaling 150 hours in the 4k Watt range.
ACG you may have a spelling error, change durations to countless "donations", it makes more sense. From reading the articles, donations=resonance=OU.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 29, 2014, 11:01:26 PM
How do you get (-) negative Karma?  Other than direct access to the database of course.  But why allow (-) on a forum that does not tolerate negativity  ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 29, 2014, 11:05:31 PM
How do you get (-) negative Karma?  Other than direct access to the database of course.  But why allow (-) on a forum that does not tolerate negativity  ;D

Good point. 

I think that you get negative karma by bilking the public out of tens of thousands of dollars in an overunity scam.

Just my opinion.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 29, 2014, 11:05:53 PM
One month ago in Internet time is like a year ago in real time!

TK gets a "Blast from the past screen cap!!!"    TK you WIN!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 29, 2014, 11:09:17 PM
I don't know.  I think they have a good chance of making it by June 25th....oh...wait...
Nevermind.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 29, 2014, 11:58:48 PM
Did you see the part where HypeGirl brags about donating the QEG to the poor Moroccan village?

That was very nice and generous of the QEGgers ... but do the Moroccans really need another doorstop?

Whatever. It certainly saved the QEG team the cost and hassle of transporting the _non-working_ but very expensive Free Energy machine back out of the country and into some other one. Can you imagine the fun they'd have at the Customs counter?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 30, 2014, 12:00:18 AM
Okay, one last screen capture indulgence.

Reading this guy's postings almost makes me sick because he appears to know his magnetics, yet he still talks complete nonsensical crap about the QEG.  He is clearly the most technical person on the Be-Do forum and that's dangerous.  It's the perfect recipe for a shill, somebody that has some technical credibility while at the same time he posts wild, speculative, and unproven junk about the QEG to keep people interested and establish credibility with the unaware and pull dollars into the till.

When everything comes crashing down or when Naima and Jamie go dark (because they are sleazes, not because of the MIB) don't expect to hear any more nonsensical BS from Vgray35.  It's possible he is not even a shill, rather, this is just Vgray "releasing tension" and getting his thrills about becoming an "online over unity personality."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 30, 2014, 12:14:52 AM
One month ago in Internet time is like a year ago in real time!

TK gets a "Blast from the past screen cap!!!"    TK you WIN!!!!!!!

It wasn't a difficult prediction to make. Can you imagine how James Robitaille must be feeling right about now? Losing some sleep, I imagine. As HypeGirl is exposed in lie after lie, he is still somehow expected to produce a miracle on her schedule, to retain any credibility among his marks, er, supporters at all.



Hey, QEG Teams worldwide: I am offering a special deal. I'll put together the complete 75 thousand dollar instrument package that HypeGirl states was used for the  33x overunity runs and that was described in their recent Report. HypeGirl says these instruments are necessary and cost over 75,000 dollars! And I'll do it for ONE_THIRD the cost. That's right, for a mere 25 thousand dollars, plus shipping and handling, you too can own your very own set of the very same test equipment that HypeGirl says is worth over 75 thousand dollars and is necessary to show overunity in a QEG. Cut me a check for $ 25,000 USD and all the equipment will be drop-shipped to your preferred location as soon as the check clears.

Offer includes:

Tek DSO (refurbished and calibrated)
4 passive probes for above
Fluke TRMS DMM (new)
Stangenes current transformer (new)
Fluke AC-DC Clampon Current Probe (new)
Mains wattmeter (new)
Tek High-Voltage 1000x scope probe (new)

And I'll even throw in a 1kW variac and a noncontact optical tachometer and a laser thermometer, at no extra charge, just for you.

As a special perk, this week only, I'll throw in a dozen very rare and hard to find genuine glass 100 Watt tungsten filament light bulbs.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: BeDoCuckoo on June 30, 2014, 01:23:10 AM
Now they are pivoting to a mini qeg.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/mini-qeg/476-conversation-and-update-about-building-a-mini-qeg
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 30, 2014, 03:27:06 AM
That's right out of the fake free energy play book.  Like Wayne coming up with new models of his fake water and groaning bellows device before the first one was even shown to be working.

The conference call itself all sounds very legit except for one thing.  Nobody in that room would be there unless the first QEG was proven to be working.  Note how this could be a psychological ploy, where you move some doubters over the line and turn them into believers because, "they wouldn't be doing this unless it was all true."

I don't know if that was a conference call full of dupes with a few string-pullers or if we were just witness to an early step in a criminal conspiracy to orchestrate a new round of funding.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 30, 2014, 03:27:35 AM
Okay, one last screen capture indulgence.

Reading this guy's postings almost makes me sick because he appears to know his magnetics, yet he still talks complete nonsensical crap about the QEG.  He is clearly the most technical person on the Be-Do forum and that's dangerous.  It's the perfect recipe for a shill, somebody that has some technical credibility while at the same time he posts wild, speculative, and unproven junk about the QEG to keep people interested and establish credibility with the unaware and pull dollars into the till.

When everything comes crashing down or when Naima and Jamie go dark (because they are sleazes, not because of the MIB) don't expect to hear any more nonsensical BS from Vgray35.  It's possible he is not even a shill, rather, this is just Vgray "releasing tension" and getting his thrills about becoming an "online over unity personality."

"online over unity personality" is what I noticed early on.  That is one of the shortest vgray35 messages I have seen!
How does Cliff know a 90kW qeg is easy to build, has he built prior 90kW qeg's?  Back here on earth the qeg is still a struggle at 10kW.  Has not even gotten that high yet.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 30, 2014, 03:43:17 AM
ACG:

This just occurred to me and it is just pure speculation without any evidence.  Just some thoughts...

Who in the gang might know a lot about magnetics but not necessarily a lot about the actual power generation dynamics (like deciphering a waveform) because that requires a true electrical engineering education and background?

Who in the gang has a tendency to make very long postings?

The Church Lady from Saturday Night Live might say something like, "Would that be..... JAMIE?"

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 30, 2014, 03:45:51 AM
That's right out of the fake free energy play book.  Like Wayne coming up with new models of his fake water and groaning bellows device before the first one was even shown to be working.

The conference call itself all sounds very legit except for one thing.  Nobody in that room would be there unless the first QEG was proven to be working.  Note how this could be a psychological ploy, where you move some doubters over the line and turn them into believers because, "they wouldn't be doing this unless it was all true."

I don't know if that was a conference call full of dupes with a few string-pullers or if we were just witness to an early step in a criminal conspiracy to orchestrate a new round of funding.

MileHigh
Speaking of Wayne Travis, is he still waiting for the right phase of the moon for gravity to become non-conservative?  Is he still not waiting for new investors to come in and make the old investors whole?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 30, 2014, 04:01:02 AM
Here is a fun quote, a "second opinion" if you will.  I am just poking around on the web to see what's going on.  I even read some German threads with the help of Google Translate.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2540471/pg4#44052161

gomeroski
User ID: 432365
United States
04/30/2014 01:44 PM

Re: QUANTUM ENERGY GENERATOR: FREE ENERGY is here?.PDF inside and live DEMO VID inside!!! CALLING ALL FREE ENERGY TARDS!! RIGHT NOW! I Mean it

Let me state at the outset that I am an electronic engineer.

It seems as if that if you can get them to give a technical description at all rather than platitudes and features, that is rampant with jargon unintelligible to even highly educated engineers. Meaningless drivel deliberately written to make intelligent, educated engineers and scientists to ask ourselves: "Am I insane, or is the writer insane?"

In fact, there is a phrase in engineering:

"Not even wrong"

This describes many of these free energy adventures.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 30, 2014, 04:40:33 AM
How do you get (-) negative Karma?  Other than direct access to the database of course.  But why allow (-) on a forum that does not tolerate negativity  ;D
That's what I'm going to get.  You have a button and can give both positive and negative karma to other members. Since I'm still at 0 I have know where else to go but likely down after this post.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and)

Of coarse vgray35@hotmail.com will step forward to play defense!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 30, 2014, 04:50:13 AM
Speaking of Wayne Travis, is he still waiting for the right phase of the moon for gravity to become non-conservative?  Is he still not waiting for new investors to come in and make the old investors whole?

I dunno about that.... but you know that pretty picture of a candle with water instead of a flame that he uses on his websites?
http://mrwaynesbrain.com/
This appears to be the source:
http://www.snoron.com/candle_with_water_flame-wallpapers.html
And here's a quote from that website:
Quote
This Candle with Water Flame is available only for personal use as desktop wallpaper, You can download Candle with Water Flame desktop wallpaper by clicking on the wallpaper thumbnail above.

I just watched the "recruitment" slideshow and it appears that there has been no change in that website in months. Certainly no change in the "job openings." Having trouble filling some of those positions with right-thinking engineers, there Honest Wayne Travis?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 30, 2014, 04:56:49 AM
That what I'm going to get.  You have a button and can give both positive and negative karma to other members. Since I'm still at 0 I have know where else to go but likely down after this post.


http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and)

In the post just above yours, the poster says that sailboats can't go faster than the wind. I guess he must have missed that whole "America's Cup" fake sailboat race, then.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 30, 2014, 05:10:37 AM
In the post just above yours, the poster says that sailboats can't go faster than the wind. I guess he must have missed that whole "America's Cup" fake sailboat race, then.
It's a same that there is no electrical equivalent to the Bernoulli principle.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 30, 2014, 05:22:43 AM
I see that the "conference call" video is now "Unlisted" !! And of course, comments are disabled. That's the way to do "open source" ! Keep secret what you know will generate criticism, and don't allow open discussion.

The conference call shows a big change in perspective, doesn't it? A week after the date that HypeGirl promised a completed, self-running QEG.... we have the admission that this is a "research and development" project rather than a simple construction of a proven self running QEG, there is no self-runner and they aren't even close to having one, anywhere in the world. And I had to LOL violently towards the end when Jimbo admits that potting the core in epoxy was a Grand Mistake. I would have told them that for free if they'd asked me before they did it, and as soon as I found out that they had done it, I pointed out it was a mistake. It has taken them a week to realize and admit it to themselves.

Now they are trying to do what real researchers should have done a long time ago: make a small, easily reconfigurable test bed that can be easily altered, is safe to operate, is much less expensive and less hassle than the giant doorstops they have been selling as "working" FE devices. What a fiasco! And that conference call is damning evidence that they DO NOT HAVE what they claimed to have when they solicited funds bases on the FALSE CLAIMS.

I strongly suggest that interested parties download a copy of that conference call video, because it's probably not going to be up for very long.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 30, 2014, 05:34:17 AM
I see that the "conference call" video is now "Unlisted" !! And of course, comments are disabled. That's the way to do "open source" ! Keep secret what you know will generate criticism, and don't allow open discussion.
 
I strongly suggest that interested parties download a copy of that conference call video, because it's probably not going to be up for very long.
Can you post a link? Thanks.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 30, 2014, 06:08:18 AM
Can you post a link? Thanks.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxHhsl5z8IU
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 30, 2014, 06:26:09 AM
Expanded and harder hitting version using a bit of TK info reported from "conference call":  http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and#2187 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and#2187)

Note this thread had some 475 reads at the time I posted my comments, so you can be sure that a lot of folks will likely view this thread.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on June 30, 2014, 06:33:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxHhsl5z8IU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxHhsl5z8IU)
Thanks. Got it archived for posterity!!
 
I did it using http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001002.htm (http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch001002.htm) should anyone else wish to grab it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on June 30, 2014, 07:01:01 AM
Link to a qeg fund separate from FTW.  Half way in the comments doubt begins to emerge.  As you read closer to the top the tension grows.
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/very-soon-free-energy-your-house-help-fund-the-initial-step-today#comments

Seems at least one donator is getting the picture and requesting funds be reimbursed. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 30, 2014, 09:04:20 AM
And that was a month ago! Sounds like the originator did it in good faith and is pretty disappointed to learn that there isn't any working (self running) prototype after all.


Meanwhile, can someone help me with my little power measurement problem? It seems that I have Overunity In Vars to an embarrassing degree right here on my workbench. Er, work _chair_.

Input: DC at 11.83 V and 2.70 A = 31.9 W
Output: 633 kHz sine wave, 68 V p-p and 21.6 A p-p, in phase, = 1469 W p-p, and divided by eight = 183.6 W

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI2r85CeCaw

The purpose of this video is to deliberately illustrate some pitfalls in measurement, and also to show that having large VxI measurements on your output in a resonant and reactive system isn't unusual. I present it as a sort of exercise or quiz for contemplation. I assure you that there is no trickery, all is as presented in the video.

But I would like a cheeseburger, anyway.

(I know, I know, the impedance of that current monitoring resistor is likely pretty high at 630 kHz. But my ProsKit meter wouldn't measure its inductance, so I really don't know what it actually is. Anybody have any idea? It did get very hot during the demonstration. This would be the first target for 'debunk' or correction in the numbers. )
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on June 30, 2014, 11:38:29 AM
Nice work Tinsel, time for a funding campaign for you, sit back we'll do it all for ya.  ;) Just kidding.

But I can confirm the results you got are good but kinda normal, your setup is a lot more powerful than mine but the same effect is got.
I used a pair of small Tesla transformers with one driven by a "Armstrong oscillator" and with only a few watts input, 12 volts and about 400 mA current,
on the primary of the "transmitter" "in the tank" I was seeing about 40 volts RMS and about 5 amps of current, which made me smile
and say wow but I knew it was accumulated volts and amps, just as the contents of any tank is accumulated.
My voltage and current also appeared to be in phase but I was using a 0.1 Ohm CSR (5 Watts) and so I was not so sure of the accuracy of the
current trace.

Nice video well done.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on June 30, 2014, 11:19:08 PM
Just for fun:
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/active-qeg-builders-cicus/481-the-role-of-the-exciter-circuit

"Having been part of the team who have completed the UK build of the QEG, I am now most puzzled by the role of the Exciter Circuit, or what Jamie calls the Etheric Tuning Device. This is an LC circuit with a spark gap in parallel tuned to exactly 1.3MHz, which is supposed to be a harmonic of a frequency they used to build the pyramids. The exciter coil is placed between the QEG and motor, and is supposed to 'condition' the QEG with a spark every few seconds. In fact, according to WITTS, the exciter circuit can be removed after a couple of weeks of use because the QEG core has become conditioned and no longer needs it. So, there is a mystery here - what is this Exciter Circuit, and what is it doing? Is the exciter circuit responsible for the Overunity? Will the QEG produce overunity without it? "

etc....
no more comment!
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 30, 2014, 11:24:19 PM
So the UK build of the QEG is completed, then? It is sitting there running itself, like a completed FE device should do?

I am laughing in my coffee.

Etheric Tuning Device? Harmonic of the Pyramids? "According to WITTS"..... OMG, is the fate of the world really in the hands of people who cannot think their way out of a paper sack, much less out of the toothpaste aisle?


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on June 30, 2014, 11:32:44 PM
Nice work Tinsel, time for a funding campaign for you, sit back we'll do it all for ya.  ;) Just kidding.

But I can confirm the results you got are good but kinda normal, your setup is a lot more powerful than mine but the same effect is got.
I used a pair of small Tesla transformers with one driven by a "Armstrong oscillator" and with only a few watts input, 12 volts and about 400 mA current,
on the primary of the "transmitter" "in the tank" I was seeing about 40 volts RMS and about 5 amps of current, which made me smile
and say wow but I knew it was accumulated volts and amps, just as the contents of any tank is accumulated.
My voltage and current also appeared to be in phase but I was using a 0.1 Ohm CSR (5 Watts) and so I was not so sure of the accuracy of the
current trace.

Nice video well done.

..
Thanks!
A couple of different calculations have come up with a total impedance of around 2.8 ohms for the resistor I used at 630 kHz. This of course means that the p-p currents are 11/2.8 = a bit under 4 amps, which brings the computed output power down to... something just a little bit over the measured input power.
In is 11.83 V x 2.70 A = 31.9 W
Out is (68 V x 3.9 A)/8 =  33.2 W
... but the radiated power and the heating of the components still isn't taken into account.

 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 01, 2014, 12:28:15 AM
1.3 MHz would be a typical clock frequency for a 1976 or 1977 microprocessor.  Thank God they didn't all genlock together because it would have been the End Days.  "Zero Hour of the Microwave Ovens."

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In fact, according to WITTS, the exciter circuit can be removed after a couple of weeks of use because the QEG core has become conditioned and no longer needs it.

That information was the result of an $800 donation!  You have to knead your coils.

Great clip TK!  I have to confess that I have looked at past clips by you where I couldn't figure out how you did it.  Even this one has me mystified.  Consider that a high compliment!

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 01, 2014, 01:08:12 AM
1.3 MHz would be a typical clock frequency for a 1976 or 1977 microprocessor.  Thank God they didn't all genlock together because it would have been the End Days.  "Zero Hour of the Microwave Ovens."

That information was the result of an $800 donation!  You have to knead your coils.

Great clip TK!  I have to confess that I have looked at past clips by you where I couldn't figure out how you did it.  Even this one has me mystified.  Consider that a high compliment!

MileHigh
Thanks, but there's no "trickery" involved other than the same "trickery" used by the QEG measurements. The video is an illustration of measurement and interpretation error, just as the QEG "Overunity in VARs" videos and text reports are.

When the reactance of the power resistor used as CVR is taken into account, as above, the "OU" drops down into the instrumental measurement error range. I am currently setting up to repeat the demonstration but using the DSO to obtain more precise "numbers in boxes" and a commercial non-inductive resistor for the CVR (if it can handle the power). Inserting a resistor in series with the transmitting loop is not really a legit way to measure this circuit though, as the resistor messes up the tuning match and the thing isn't working fully well in that situation.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on July 01, 2014, 06:53:35 AM
Just curious TK. Are you taking any output with any receiver ?

I figured using a very small resistance for the CSR would be better but I think in my case it made the voltage across the resistor quite small
and so I doubted my accuracy that way as well.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on July 01, 2014, 06:21:23 PM
Nice work TK!   I'd buy you a cheeseburger if I was in Texas ;)     So you really think it is just measurement error?   Or can't believe in OU and yourself?   LOL.    Why not try looping the output back to charge the battery and see what happens?   I dare you ...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 01, 2014, 07:06:34 PM
For info.
 A Message To The QEG Engineers By Dave Starbuck Tuesday, Jul 1, 2014
on http://www.allegedlydave.com/blog.htm?article_id=6
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 01, 2014, 09:25:58 PM
Seems Dave has published a long winded article just to say sorry we have over unity but still not working under their "time limit".
http://www.allegedlydave.com/blog.htm?article_id=6

Here is where its mentioned a transverter needs to be added to achieve 10kW self looping which was achieved by WITTs linking the infamous 40kW video.  Yes, the video that shows no transverter and the 2.3kW light bulb load.  WITTS could have at least filmed a demo of 40kW.  I suspect that 2.3kW was done due to mains and breaker limits.
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/30/major-breakthrough-in-free-energy-overunity-demonstrated-in-the-qeg/

Will the next hook will be crop circles and the obligatoryTesla?  For the second time, over unity being declared by Dave.   When any are to be provided are we to see the same calculation errors as we did before?

The configuration has changed many times especially with the addition of this new external windings over the core.  I would like to comment on the break down at the alleged spark gap but until an updated schematic is brought forth I would be no different than claiming over unity.  I do know that Dave should not be the one making the claims as he stated prior his math skills are as sharp as wet spaghetti and made the wrong calculations before.  Dave got smart this time, he disabled comments on this release of videos  ;)  One of which is to display a resonance cascade waveform which can not be properly viewed for analysis.

Note, he mentions having a cannabis journey where he envisioned the qeg would "sustain itself in a chain reaction that caused the QEG to explode, killing all in attendance".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 01, 2014, 10:52:28 PM
@TinselKoala
To answers your little power measurement problem
( http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg408251/#msg408251 )
"Meanwhile, can someone help me with my little power measurement problem? It seems that I have Overunity In Vars to an embarrassing degree right here on my workbench. Er, work _chair_.

Input: DC at 11.83 V and 2.70 A = 31.9 W
Output: 633 kHz sine wave, 68 V p-p and 21.6 A p-p, in phase, = 1469 W p-p, and divided by eight = 183.6 W

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wI2r85CeCaw

The purpose of this video is to deliberately illustrate some pitfalls in measurement, and also to show that having large VxI measurements on your output in a resonant and reactive system isn't unusual. I present it as a sort of exercise or quiz for contemplation. I assure you that there is no trickery, all is as presented in the video."

Your resistor(R=0.5ohm) was a wound resistor. If we suppose a diameter of 1cm, a length of 5cm and the resistive core made of 20 turns, it's inductance is 0.8uH (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/electric/indsol.html)
With a main coil made of 4 turns, a diameter 20cm and a diameter wire=1.2mm --> L=4.5uH
http://emclab.mst.edu/inductance/circular/
If you put these approximations values in LTspice we get:
  In the first plot pane the true power in the main Coil
   - In blue, abs(Vmain_coil*Itrue_resistor)   
  In the second plot pane:
   - In green Voltage of the main coil= 24Vrms  --> 68Vpp
   - In red, your measure, current in the bad resistor with R=0.5ohm and inductance=0.7uH V/R=I calculed=7.346Vrms or 21Vpp
  In the third plot pane:
   - In purple, V/R=I with the true resistor R=0.5ohm L=0H  I=0.650 Arms
   - In blue, your measure, V/R=I with the bad resistor R=0.5ohm L=0.7uH  I=7.346 Arms
   
Note the phase between the current and the Main Coil Voltage.
The true power in the main coil is 19W.

Don't forget it's just an approximation... like my English words!
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 01, 2014, 11:29:01 PM
@isim:
Thanks for running that sim!
A couple of other calculations and measurements by other methods have determined that the resistor's inductance is 530-580 nH, a bit less than your value. My meter doesn't go low enough, and my function generator doesn't go high enough, to get a very precise reading on inductors below 1 microHenry!
The main coil's inductance is also much lower than your value; it is only a single loop of 3 parallel (twisted) separately insulated strands of #12 solid copper house wire, 22 cm in diameter. It is also below 1 microHenry; my meter won't read it. But I agree that the circulating power is actually in the 20-30W range.
I also don't have that much phase shift showing in my scopeshots, probably because of the lower overall inductance in my apparatus.
I'll be uploading a second test with a better current-monitoring setup later this evening.
Thanks again for your work!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 02, 2014, 12:34:22 AM
@TinselKoala
Thanks.
I try to make another simulation.
Diameter #12 wire= 2.053mm,   Area=3.31mm², L=243nH for one wire...(http://emclab.mst.edu/inductance/circular/)
For the 3 wires in parallel the inductance will be lesser.
3 wires Area=10mm²=Pi*D²/4, equivalent diameter of 3 wire=sqrt(4*10/Pi)=3.57mm  so L=166.5nH (it's an bad approximation). But L will be <166nH.

"I also don't have that much phase shift showing in my scopeshots, probably because of the lower overall inductance in my apparatus. "
   a) if an inductive resistor is used to make your scope shots, the phase sift will be very low. Note, on the third plot pane, how little the phase sift is. This is because the impedance of L2 is much bigger than the resistor.     |Z(L2)|= 11 * R (in my circuit)
   b) if you use an resistor with L=0, then you "must" have a phase shift between I(the same along the circuit) and the main coil voltage.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 02, 2014, 01:07:55 AM
Great SIM work gentlemen!

I don't think that Dave's posting advanced the cause.

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I have struggled to find my part in this effort to help the QEG to become self-sustaining, after all, I had once been a rather mediocre electronic engineer whose skills do not appear to be relevant, but I do seem to be good at putting elements together and weaving a story that might be an inspiration to others.

Bah... I take that with a huge grain of salt.  It was Dave that was narrating the first allegedly known as over unity video where he took the peak-to-peak voltage and current measurements to calculate the output power into the light bulb load. Bah....

Visions?  What does it mean when you go to a garage sale and they have two kitchen sinks for sale?  Dave of Arc.  <*rim shot*>

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 02, 2014, 01:12:04 AM
The *real* RESONANCE CASCADE!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwGcKFMxrmI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwGcKFMxrmI)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 02, 2014, 01:31:47 AM
@TinselKoala
Thanks.
I try to make another simulation.
Diameter #12 wire= 2.053mm,   Area=3.31mm², L=243nH for one wire...(http://emclab.mst.edu/inductance/circular/ (http://emclab.mst.edu/inductance/circular/))
For the 3 wires in parallel the inductance will be lesser.
3 wires Area=10mm²=Pi*D²/4, equivalent diameter of 3 wire=sqrt(4*10/Pi)=3.57mm  so L=166.5nH (it's an bad approximation). But L will be <166nH.

"I also don't have that much phase shift showing in my scopeshots, probably because of the lower overall inductance in my apparatus. "
   a) if an inductive resistor is used to make your scope shots, the phase sift will be very low. Note, on the third plot pane, how little the phase sift is. This is because the impedance of L2 is much bigger than the resistor.     |Z(L2)|= 11 * R (in my circuit)
   b) if you use an resistor with L=0, then you "must" have a phase shift between I(the same along the circuit) and the main coil voltage.
@+

Excellent!

Here is some fresh data, using a non-inductive CVR. The resistor is 2 Ohmite WNER50FE in parallel for a DC resistance of 0.25 ohms and I used a slightly better probe hookup with less wire in the ground lead. As you indicate, now the phase shift shows up quite well in the scopeshots.

I also made the measurement with a fresh battery charge and while the transmitter was powering a wireless load (but I didn't retune for optimum match).


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 02, 2014, 01:44:04 AM
Great SIM work gentlemen!

I don't think that Dave's posting advanced the cause.

Bah... I take that with a huge grain of salt.  It was Dave that was narrating the first allegedly known as over unity video where he took the peak-to-peak voltage and current measurements to calculate the output power into the light bulb load. Bah....

Visions?  What does it mean when you go to a garage sale and they have two kitchen sinks for sale?  Dave of Arc.  <*rim shot*>

MileHigh
I think his "cannabis journey" must have been right into the heart of LaLa Land. Some people should avoid those kinds of journeys at all cost... they might not be able to find their way back home.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 02, 2014, 01:59:24 AM
The point of all this stuff about my system is just to illustrate that you cannot take the raw scopeshots at face value. Corrections must be applied, that depend on load and source parameters as well as measurement techniques and instrumentation. The QEG folks really need to tone down their proclamations of OU based on their uncorrected scope measurements. They are wondering why it's so hard to self-loop a system that gives the measurements they are getting. The answer is simple: their measurements are what they are, and must be examined carefully and corrected as necessary to give correct values. When this is done, it's easy to see why they can't make a self runner: there is in fact no OU in their system.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 02, 2014, 02:23:11 AM
Yes indeed TK, and I will throw out a mechanical analogy.  Sometimes mechanical analogies will help people, especially people that have no experience or understanding with electronics.

I suppose the first thing to say is that this mechanical analogy is not pie-in-the-sky, it literally is a simplified representation of what is taking place in the QEG.

Think of a large church bell at ground level mounted in a frame.  If you hit it with a hammer it will ring (resonate) for a few minutes.  Let's say the note is 'C,' which is 440 Hz.

The bell represents the primary LC tank circuit.

The spinning rotor can be represented by someone holding a hand-drill that spins an octagonal block of wood.  Let's imagine that the hand drill always spins at a rate of 440/8 Hz.  Since you have 8 faces on the wooden octagon, that means that the individual faces pass a fixed point at 440 Hz.

So if someone holding the drill touches the edge of the bell with the spinning octagon, the bell will ring louder and louder over time because it is being lightly struck at its resonant frequency.

Now the analogy for the light bulb load.  On the other side of the bell there is a person with big rubber gloves on.  You know intuitively that if this person grabs the edge of the bell with their big rubber gloves, they will feel the vibrations in their hands and arms and they will make the bell ring lower and lower over time.  They are sucking stored energy out of the bell when they grab it with their hands.  That's just like the light bulb load is sucking energy out of the primary LC tank circuit.

So there you have it:

This is the QEG:   A guy is making the bell ring with a spinning wooden block.  On the other side of the bell a guy is grabbing onto the bell with big rubber gloves and muffling it because he is draining vibrational energy out of the bell.

As you can imagine using your common sense, eventually things will stabilize and the power put into the bell by the drill guy will be in balance with the power sucked out of the bell by the rubber gloves guy.

Forget about quantum anything, it's not happening, the simplified mechanical description above is deadly accurate.

Here is the current problem:  The FTW group is just measuring the amplitude of the ringing bell when it is not being touched by the rubber gloves guy and calling it "over unity."

Just use your common sense and think it out.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 02, 2014, 04:09:44 AM
OK...so let's look at my "current" set of measurements in the images above.

The DC input is easy: 12.25V x 2.78 A = 34.1 W

The output V and I are sinusoidal and phase-shifted by about 55 degrees. The average power is then given by (Vrms x Irms)cos(phase angle). The non-inductive 0.5 ohm parallel resistors I used have a special winding and according to the data sheets have inductance below 1 nH, which should result in an impedance of less than 0.010 Ohm at 793 kHz.  But when I run the numbers using that as the impedance ( or 0.26 ohm) I get crazy values, so the impedance of the resistor+the probe setup must be a lot higher than that.

But even if I use 3 ohms as the impedance of the "non inductive" CVR at 793 kHz I still get A = 6.5/3 = 2.17 A p-p, so:
(64/1.414)x(2.17/1.414)x0.573 = 39.8 W
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on July 02, 2014, 04:45:26 AM
I think his "cannabis journey" must have been right into the heart of LaLa Land. Some people should avoid those kinds of journeys at all cost... they might not be able to find their way back home.

It's not good enough that they make the Free energy searchers look bad, now they make all the pot smokers look like
hallucinating hippies on Acid. >:( >:(  ;D ;D
It's not the pot that is the problem it is the freakshow of a human that smoked it or ate it whatever his preference.
TK's right some people shouldn't drink alcohol or take drugs before getting a grip on what is real and what isn't first,
it's a recipe for Visions, hallucinations, incoherent ramblings and possibly panic attacks.

What other group will they vilify I wonder.

Certainly didn't do himself or the cause any favors. Engineer my arse, what a crock of drivel.
If he qualified as an Engineer then may God help us all.

..

P.S. This thread needs a moderator to take care of the oversized image problem, it makes the thread very difficult to read
for those with smaller screens. I am paragraphing my posts so that they can be read without scrolling sideways.

I often disregard posts that require I scroll across the screen. It annoys me so. I'm sure I'm not the only one,
so if you don't want your post read then have it spread right across the page so people need to continuously
scroll from side to side.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 02, 2014, 05:12:31 AM
Okay TK:

I will get serious about your setup.  Some of these points may have already been mentioned.
I haven't poured over every detail with a fine-toothed comb so please give me some
latitude.

In your first clip there was no observable phase shift.  Would that be because of the inductive
current viewing resistor?  I am not sure.  Needless to say I found that puzzling.

Now with a proper CVR you are getting a phase shift but the numbers still apparently crunch to over unity.

Then, Isim invoked the "back door check."  The power dissipated in the loop is just Irms-squared*R.  So
presumably the resistance of the loop is much less then either CVR and so the total power dissipated
in the CVR plus the loop resistance should be quite low - under unity.

But then shouldn't that mean that your cosine multiplication resultant should be equal to the
Irms-squared*R measurement?  If they don't then something is amiss.

With the ordinary wire-wound resistor exaggerating the current measurement, I felt the echos of the
aetheric streams of you know who.  She drove a Plymouth Satellite at twice the speed of light.   8)

Anyway, not sure what you think, but I have an idea for you!

It's get out of the box time!  Are you experienced?

Why not try sensing the current phase another way?  Can you simply tack on a sensor coil to the
main coil and set up a transformer coupling?  Perhaps even just a single turn.  Connect the output
to a high-impedance scope channel.  It will show you the rate of change of the current in the main
loop.  Since you are in pure sine wave territory, a 90 phase shift of the sensor coil output will
give you the exact phase of the actual current.  Perhaps a sensor coil like this eliminates the
problems of the inductance of the CVR?

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pmgr on July 02, 2014, 05:18:00 AM
Thanks Mark for reminding me about the core losses, it completely slipped my mind.

I don't think that there has been that much discussion about magnetic hysteresis loops and eddy current losses on the Be-Do forum. MileHigh
@MH et al

I am planning on addressing the core losses and hysteresis losses in my model.

I have done some research online, but would like to get input from people who are familiar with these terms.

For M19 steel, I have found the following numbers:

For 0.014" laminations (29 gauge), core loss at 15kG (1.5T) is 1.55 Watts/lb.

I couldn't find any numbers for the hysteresis loss for M19 steel, but did find it for M15 steel and it is 0.0068 Joule/(lb*cycle) at 10kG (1T).

Now here are my notes and questions:

1. Total core loss can be calculated by multiplying 1.55 Watts with the weight of the core/stator.

2. The unit of hysteresis loss is Joule/(lb*cycle), which is equivalent to Watts*sec/(lb*cycle) = Watts/(lb*cycle/sec)

Assuming the rotor turns at 2400rpm (f=40 RPS) and thus inductance modulation at 4*f cycles per sec, hysteresis losses would be 0.0068*4*f times weight of the rotor/stator (losses in Watts).

Not sure how heavy the QEG is, but let's say it is 80lbs.  Then we get the following:

1. Rotor/stator losses are 1.55*80 = 124 Watts
2. Hysteresis losses are 0.0068*4*40*80 = 87 Watts
3. Resistive heating losses in primary coils are I*I*Rcoils equal approximately  1*1*36 = 36 Watts assuming a 1 Amp (rms) tank current.

So total steel losses are then about 211 Watts. Heat loss of 36 Watts for a total of 247 Watts.

Now, here is where I need your feedback. How can I implement the core and steel losses into my model?

Can I simply model them as an additional resistance in the primary tank circuit in series with the coil resistance? In this particular case that would translate to changing the coil resistance from 36 ohms to 247 ohms? Of course assuming the tank current remains at 1A rms.

Or should this be modeled as an external load, e.g. in parallel with the capacitor? Or maybe it can be appropriately modeled either way?

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 02, 2014, 05:45:32 AM
Pmgr:

I am not a modeling expert.  But my sense is that putting small resistances in parallel across tank circuits could suffice.

Also, we know that hysteresis losses should increase as frequency increases.  I don't see that in the formulas so I am somewhat confused.  I noticed they are using interesting "rationalized industrial" units which is pretty cool.

I have a feeling that core losses are probably not linear with respect to things like AC Tesla strength and probably frequency.  So my suggestion would be to do some experiments around a fixed operating frequency.

Perhaps there are transformer and choke models in pSpice that factor in core losses?  It's pretty much uncharted territory for me, I did like three or four Spice simulations in my life and that was back in the Eighties!

I also note that the wattages you are estimating sound like you are on the right track.  It all harks back to my thermal profiling experiment that probably nobody will ever do!

Poor Team FTW.  If various analyses converge on a unified description of the operation of the QEG, you will be left with a naked QEG with no secrets!  Where is a supercomputer when you need one?  It's in your graphics card!

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 02, 2014, 12:33:00 PM
@TinselKoala
Your implémentation is on the left of my attachement.
May i suggest you to use the rigth implementation, if your generator as floating output!

So the Probe of the MainCoil does not see the voltage of the resistor. ;)
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 02, 2014, 02:58:03 PM
@TinselKoala
Here is the sim with your new info:
R=3 ohms Lmain_coil=160n Vgenerator=68pp
Calculed Power generator=185.92W
Power generator=Power MainCoil + Power Resistor
                         =1.8172W-184.1W=185.9172W ~ 185.92W
(forget about minus sign in Power average, it come from I(V1), It must be I(R1))

Do you want the same sim with R=0.25ohm  ?
@+

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 03, 2014, 02:56:47 AM
Here is an alternate view of UK has Resonance!!  If it was in black and white, it would look like an old Twilight Zone episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IrdOmNDpUss

The comments are pretty funny and apparently unmoderated.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 03, 2014, 03:21:12 AM
All that I can say is "Eeeek!"

http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/evens-abellard/11/731/a75 (http://ca.linkedin.com/pub/evens-abellard/11/731/a75)

Evens Abellard, Telephony Specialist at Bath Fitter

Université du Québec - Ecole de Technologie supérieure
Bachelor's degree, Electrical, Electronics and Communications Engineering
1991 – 1992


Profile
• Bachelor’s degree in Information Technology (Electrical Engineering).
• Over eight years experience in project management.
• Training in Architecture: design and engineering of Nortel’s CS 1000 E system.
• Management and development of a project for the operation of a network “WIMAX Operator”.
• Management and development of a project for providing a cellular service, MVNO.
• Development of a project for the distribution of Prepaid service cards.
• Management of a project for the Integration of banking payments solutions.
• Design and Integration of VOIP solutions on servers, under Linux.
• Technological watch and ongoing technical training.

Current:
Telephony Specialist at Bath Fitter
ITC, Telecom project manager at CSPQ - Gouvernement du Québec
Trainer at Cegep de Saint-Laurent

His career went in the direction of IP Telephony.  That is a long ways away from playing with
pulse circuits and capacitors and coils on a bench.  Also, with computers taking over, the course
syllabus started changing a lot.  That started in the early to mid Eighties.  You could get an
electrical engineering degree with a bare minimum of electronics courses.  There is a very good
chance that Evens hasn't worked on a bench setup like you are seeing in the QEG clips in 20 years.

The bottom line:  It looks like Evens Abellard in real life sets up and manages a network of
IP telephones in a big company that makes bathroom products.

http://www.bathfitter.com/ (http://www.bathfitter.com/)

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: picowatt on July 03, 2014, 05:01:08 AM
Turn it up 'til it squeals... and then down one.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 03, 2014, 05:12:54 AM
Thanks for the comment, PW!

You know what Spinal Tap said, "Our amps go up to eleven."

It allowed me to fix a crazy typo.  It's funny how it is so hard to proofread something that you just
composed.  The eyes can read words in whole groups and I guess the effect is more pronounced
when you are reading what you just wrote.

Are you Qweegeeing?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 03, 2014, 01:35:46 PM
The long version of the UK conference call.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STKCu6qnhEE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STKCu6qnhEE)

With listening only up to 5 minutes, I will hear it all eventually, James Robitaille has revealed much info.  Admitting this is at the research and development phase.  This blows hopegirls repeated timelines of promised self-running out of the water.  James just had to include the exorbitant price of the oscilloscope, because we all know large numbers are the hallmark of convincing people of your claim (marks).  But at least he touched on some very important points.  Calculations.  Power cannot simply be calculated by multiplying Vrms and Irms when the signals are not standard sinusoids and are out of phase.  Its about time he came out of the peak-to-peak closet.  Actually I am not sure if James is speaking, the audio is not the best.  After he says you cannot find a team like the qeg groups anywhere else on the planet and they would at some point have good news I could not continue.

It goes on about them not having time and resource, the rigors and hassle of building and capacitors and tuning and yada yada yada (Pay no attention the huge free money that went their way behind the curtain).  Why has no one in these interviews ask about the prototype in Pennsylvania, you know the one that ran for 150 combined hours and peaked at 9.3kW with the unknown ambiguous load?


http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/what-is-the-qeg-.html
"The QEG is portable, the size of an average home generator, CAN easily hook up to your existing electrical system..."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 03, 2014, 02:40:40 PM
The whole thing is a load of old bollocks!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 03, 2014, 04:01:38 PM
Why has no one in these interviews ask about the prototype in Pennsylvania, you know the one that ran for 150 combined hours and peaked at 9.3kW with the unknown ambiguous load?
Thanks for the idea! I just asked the question over at be-do.  My quess is they will ignore the posting. If vgray35@hotmail.com (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/qeg-meet-up-networking/userprofile/757) ignores it then we know he's a definite shill! He writes an essay for nearly every posting.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/490-pennsylvania-qeg-prototype (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/490-pennsylvania-qeg-prototype)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 03, 2014, 11:12:23 PM
That forum cracks me up. You would think, with a crowd-funded Open Source project with Teams working all around the world on the same problems, that there would be at least one Team Member from each Team who would make a post every day detailing their progress, setbacks, findings, tests performed, results, and so forth to help the "Research and Development" project to bring the Clearly Overunity By Itself QEG to the self-running stage. Wouldn't you? I know I would.

The veritable absence of any reporting from the various teams, the dearth of posters on the site, the false information and unsubstantiated claims that do arise when someone takes the bother to make a post... why, all that might lead an outside observer to conclude that those folks don't really have what they claim, and can't figure out what to do with whatever it is they _do_ have.

Hey Jerry, or Fritz, or Chewy, or Wen Ho Li or Abdullah .... run that thing up to "resonance" again! Wheee!  Looky! We can light up some light bulbs with great noise and fanfare! Gongs, even!

But for some reason we can't compare the brightness of these bulbs, to their brightness when supplied with straight power from the wall at the same level we are giving to the QEG drive motor. No, can't do that at all, that would be expressing negative thoughtforms and the whole scheme is liable to stop working.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 03, 2014, 11:27:14 PM
Thanks for the idea! I just asked the question over at be-do.  My quess is they will ignore the posting. If vgray35@hotmail.com (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/qeg-meet-up-networking/userprofile/757) ignores it then we know he's a definite shill! He writes an essay for nearly every posting.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/490-pennsylvania-qeg-prototype (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/490-pennsylvania-qeg-prototype)

Your other post remains unanswered.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and#2187
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 03, 2014, 11:33:29 PM
@TinselKoala
I think know why you get a discrepancy between the measurement of power in and power out.
The current multimeter is giving a false reading, because the current from the battery to the amplifier("generator") is pulsed and this dvm "does not see all the signal".
   - And a simple capacitive filter between the multimeter and amplifier will cure the problem.
Can-you send me the amplifier schematic or it's reference if it's a commercial one?
Just to justify my ideas.
Thank-you.
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 04, 2014, 01:37:01 AM
Your other post remains unanswered.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and#2187 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/399-reasonable-questions-concerns-about-qeg-claims-and#2187)
Let's see what transpires over the 4th of July weekend. I fully expect that there will be no response to either of my most recent posts. The wheels are starting to come off the wagon. I'll make another posting taking umbrage at the rejection of my offer to help with the Penn prototype. I can then get a bit more aggressive about the claims they have previously made, asking some more probing questions  I think the softly softly approach is the best way to expose these guys.

TK

If all about the light bulbs man and the vibrations you get from the QEG just before they light up! These guys clearly feed off it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 04, 2014, 01:43:11 AM
@TinselKoala
I think know why you get a discrepancy between the measurement of power in and power out.
The current multimeter is giving a false reading, because the current from the battery to the amplifier("generator") is pulsed and this dvm "does not see all the signal".
   - And a simple capacitive filter between the multimeter and amplifier will cure the problem.
Can-you send me the amplifier schematic or it's reference if it's a commercial one?
Just to justify my ideas.
Thank-you.
@+


HI isim
Thanks again for taking a look at my data.
I'll post the results of the new tests in a little while, after doing some household chores. I'll also post the schematic of the circuit I'm using. Since the inductances I am working with are so small, physical layout is also going to be important for the tank part of the circuit and inserting the measurement resistor in there may not be the best way to do the measuring.

I'll also determine the waveform of the DC input and smooth it if necessary. Meanwhile, you may be interested in looking at these videos from Poynt99, concerning the DMMs accuracy when measuring pulsed signals:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2KhGpmXPjc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2KhGpmXPjc)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXTbcToC5T4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXTbcToC5T4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70sPnpG2JO4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70sPnpG2JO4)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 04, 2014, 01:57:39 AM
It's interesting my last post at be-do was also completely ignored where I pointed folks to the results of the "German" QEG simulation matching the oscilloscope output from Morocco. Vgray, the techno fantasist and essay writer, normally comes right back with a comment. He chose this time to steer well clear.  It's interesting that  the two most recent postings are his and he has chosen to ignore mine. I think I will make an explicit offer to ship the Penn QEG prototype on my own buck.  Also a lot of these guys posting at be-do are ostriches, with their head down researching materials, etc, and not looking at the broader horizon where they would clearly see that this whole thing is a giant con.

I changed the title of my posting http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/490-pennsylvania-qeg-prototype-ship-to-the-uk (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/490-pennsylvania-qeg-prototype-ship-to-the-uk)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 04, 2014, 05:25:53 AM
It's still Year Zero in Queegeeland.  Soon you will have to queue up for toilet paper.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 04, 2014, 09:31:23 AM
@isim:
I've confirmed that the input power to my system is straight DC. I connected a current viewing resistor in-line with the battery supply and scoped it: total flat-line DC without any ripple or spikes. The input current is DC at the value shown on the DMMs.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 04, 2014, 01:40:16 PM
Hi TimselKoala,
This is intriguing!
Ok, may be you already have a capacitor at the input of your Amplifier!

I know these DVM's test video, it's a good job. But with pulse you can have & saturation in the input stage, witch give bad measurement.

I intend to simulate all your system, if you agree, so I need a very detailed information on it.
Thank-you,
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 04, 2014, 06:27:58 PM
A group in Europe has put the brakes on their build because of the results of FTW's Morocco attempt.  PDF path in the post.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/manuals-documents-and-tutorials/493-full-set-of-mechanical-drawings-for-qeg

Second section under My Own Development explains the initial claim of 9kW with the decision to stop their order of parts.  Followed by a very good question.
"Why the FTW team was not able to reproduce similar results with their Morocco prototype as they achieved with their first one, remains an unanswered question for me."


What will Shean, Larry, or Vgray35 have as a response if any at all or just ignore the all important question.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 04, 2014, 09:18:04 PM
From the pdf:

Quote
During the interview with FTW by alternative energy reporter Sterling Allan, James Robitaille from FTW told that he had about 9kW of equipment running (as a load) on his prototype QEG with less than 1 kW of input:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ .

Initially my business partners and I planned to order components and build one ourselves. However, when FTW released a well documented test report with energy input and output measurements from a new prototype they built in Morocco, we pulled the handbrake. The measurements showed that no more than 590W of usable output was achieved with an input of 607W:

https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-june-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v2-011.pdf

Although the report also stated that this Morocco prototype was not tuned/optimized yet, a new test report showing similar results as mentioned in the Sterling Allan interview has not yet been released. Until such a new report is available, we decided to wait with ordering any components.

Why the FTW team was not able to reproduce similar results with their Morocco prototype as they achieved with their first one, remains an unanswered question for me.

I can answer the "unanswered question" and I'll do it for a lot less than "three hundred dollars an hour".

Are you ready, QEGers? Here you go.

The claim that there ever existed a "working prototype" that ran itself, for any amount of time much less 150 hours, and/or also provided 9 kW power to an external load while drawing only 1 kW from its supply is FALSE.

And there is nothing wrong with the "reproductions" in the other QEG builds around the world: they are performing exactly as expected and exactly in line with Robitaille's "prototype".

To put it very plainly: You, QEG builders around the world.... have been misled. The information you were given that caused your interest and donations in the first place was, and remains, UTTERLY FALSE.

Don't believe me? Then pool your resources and send one person, with all your money, to TIMOTHY THRAPP and pay him to see his "working prototype". Since James R. cannot under any circumstances show you his, because he hasn't got one. Or don't you believe in Timmy Thrapp and WITTS either?


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 04, 2014, 10:09:27 PM
@isim:
Thanks for your interest in this little measurement problem. Hopefully the QEGers are also following along and will take this experience to heart when making their own measurements and interpretations.

Here's the schematic for the wireless power transmitter system, with the voltage and current monitoring points indicated. The output current viewing resistor is the 2 parallel 0.5 ohm Ohmite noninductive ones, datasheet posted earlier. The input CVR is just an ordinary cement power resistor (to confirm DC waveform on the scope) or the DMM in ammeter mode (impedance about 1.8 ohm).
I apologize for the non-conventional schematic! I did it this way some time ago for a reason that isn't really relevant here... poking at LMM!

Also, another picture of the underside of that particular circuit board showing the layout. Note that the output side of the circuit: mosfet Drains, capacitors and connection to output loop/coil, is made with heavy conductors and direct, low inductance pathways as far as possible.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 04, 2014, 10:27:44 PM
Ugh. I do hate that pad-per-hole prototyping method and I rarely use it, but I was experimenting with different methods and that was the result.

But here is another much cleaner layout following the same principles (before mounting the chokes):
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on July 04, 2014, 11:51:42 PM
@isim:
I've confirmed that the input power to my system is straight DC. I connected a current viewing resistor in-line with the battery supply and scoped it: total flat-line DC without any ripple or spikes. The input current is DC at the value shown on the DMMs.

I was going to comment yesterday that Your input looked right to me, in my experiences with a lot lesser input and using transformers
I found that the readings from my True RMS DMM are pretty mush just as accurate as using the scope and a 0.1 Ohm CSR (wire one)
I also checked with a analogue panel meter. But if the scope shows flat DC and the DMM agrees with the scope then I usually use the DMM.

Tinsels input just looks correct for the power he is developing in the tank.

Only the power dissipated in the tank can be considered output. I would expect to see more power in the tank than is being input.

The bit that makes me wonder with Tinsels setup is the power dissipated in the circuit. Seems to me there would be a bit of juice
dissipated in the circuit.

Will be good to see the sim. Can we run the sims ? I still haven't leaned the basics of Spice.

..

P.S. Tinsel you usually get a god 21 watts or more out don't you, I seen you show what i think was a 21 Watt auto globe lit right up,
probably over powered.
So 33 Watts input and 23 Watts output with a few Watts feeding the tank losses, a few watts "pumping" up the tank and a few
Watts dissipated in the driving circuit.

The power in the tank is kinda inconsequential compared to input and true output.

Your current sense resistor is more or less your load isn't it ?

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 04, 2014, 11:58:15 PM
I was going to comment yesterday that Your input looked right to me, in my experiences with a lot lesser input and using transformers
I found that the readings from my True RMS DMM are pretty mush just as accurate as using the scope and a 0.1 Ohm CSR (wire one)
I also checked with a analogue panel meter. But if the scope shows flat DC and the DMM agrees with the scope then I usually use the DMM.

Tinsels input just looks correct for the power he is developing in the tank.

Only the power dissipated in the tank can be considered output. I would expect to see more power in the tank than is being input.

The bit that makes me wonder with Tinsels setup is the power dissipated in the circuit. Seems to me there would be a bit of juice
dissipated in the circuit.

Will be good to see the sim. Can we run the sims ? I still haven't leaned the basics of Spice.
(emphasis mine)

Hello, QEGgers! Is the light beginning to dawn upon you yet? Are you beginning to see the point of this "pointless diversion"?

(ETA: Actually if there is a receiver in use, coupled to the output loop across an air gap, the power in the receiver is also considered output, and can be seen as a corresponding rise in the DC input current.)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 05, 2014, 12:29:11 AM
Grr. I am forcing myself to listen carefully to the "long version" of the Sterling interview of James Robitaille.
It is maddening. I am trying to catch the moments when JR actually says that the prototype ran itself, how long it ran, and what kind of load it powered.
I have rarely heard such a waffling about. I am 20 minutes in, Sterling has asked the questions three times already, and Robitaille hasn't answered yet, although he has clearly dodged about trying to avoid stating the actual facts of the matter.

But.... at 22 minutes in.... we finally get the truth.

JR:  ... but in resonance we've got about 150 hours on it.
SA:  And ah, during that time, um... the output was...ah, I would imagine you didn't necessarily have it at the full, you know, 9300 Watts, you mentioned that's the highest you got, what would you say that was maybe the average output that you were, um, producing...
JR:  .... Ah.... probably about ah, about 4 kiloWatts most of the time, so that most of the time, between 4 and 5 kiloWatts
SA:  And, in terms of, you talked about, the generator only required about one tenth of what is, on the input side, what is coming on the output side... Have you actually um, run it through an inverter and self-looped it yourself?
JR:  Ah, no, we ha, no, we haven't done that yet. Ahm.... we didn't, we didn't have the inverter, ahm, we put, I put this thing together in like a barn (laughter) and uh it was done with basic tools and....

And so on and so forth. NO, the prototype did not "run, operating a load of instruments of 9300 W for 150 hours" at all.

It was _tested_ in the resonant mode for perhaps 1.5 hours at a time, many times, estimated to total 150 hours. The PEAK output measured was 9300 watts... and we have good reason to believe that this was the usual peak-to-peak measurement as we have recently seen, thus overestimating the output power by a factor of at least 8. The "average" was "probably" 4-5 kW. Again, as usual and again most likely a gross overstatement. The decision was made to release it to the public... meaning to start the hyped up funding campaign and the crowdfunded world travel tour... at the point that the resonance phenomenon was reliably repeatable in the prototype. HE NEVER SELF-LOOPED the prototype. No "inverter"? Please give me a break. What is the next step after "have no inverter"? Hint: YOU GO OUT AND BUY ONE. G. Zis Cripes, how hard is that to figure out?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 05, 2014, 12:37:43 AM
The UK word is out!
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/cicu-united-kingdom/495-phase-3-update-uk-build

Same pattern repeating.
* Hang in there we are almost there.
* Did not self loop.
* Ran out of time.  -  Humm, perhaps not speeding so much time installing 11 gongs, and overhead curtains, you would have had more time.
* "...we will be releasing in our famous opensource style!" - A.K.A. disabling comments to various youtube channels and banning questions over at be-do.
* The obligatory Tesla reference.
* Fleeing the scene of the crime.  - But down worry, the prototype in Pennsylvania is now scheduled to be self running in 30 days.  How many times have this been said?

Holding to see the title of the next fund raising caption.  Should be something appropriate like "Stick Em Up!"
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 05, 2014, 12:44:45 AM
Farmhand said,
Quote
P.S. Tinsel you usually get a god 21 watts or more out don't you, I seen you show what i think was a 21 Watt auto globe lit right up,
probably over powered.
So 33 Watts input and 23 Watts output with a few Watts feeding the tank losses, a few watts "pumping" up the tank and a few
Watts dissipated in the driving circuit.

The power in the tank is kinda inconsequential compared to input and true output.

Your current sense resistor is more or less your load isn't it ?

Yes, if you count the output as what the receiver outputs to the light bulb or the DC output to a motor or something, that is probably about right.  But if you look at the power circulating in the _receiver's_ tank circuit it also will seem quite a bit higher!

Yes, the CSR sitting where it is probably represents the highest impedance portion of the output load, even with the non-inductive Ohmite current-sense resistor pair. Taking the known value of the capacitor stack and the measured resonant frequency of the output tank (around 800 kHz when the battery is full) I get a total inductance in the output side of something like 0.7 microHenry, and the loop itself in isim's calculation is estimated to be only under 0.2 microHenry.

So I think you got the point of the whole exercise. The QEG folks are measuring power circulating in a tank, as well as overestimating that power by citing peak-to-peak values. The way to measure the true output power of such a resonating system is to measure the power dissipated in a load, and this does _not_ mean measuring the V and I "supplied" to the load!

ETA: The current sense resistor does get really hot, really fast, and so I can only operate the circuit a few seconds at a time when it is in there, I don't have any spares of this item. With only the loop itself as output, I can operate for some minutes before the loop warms up much. Three parallel strands of #12 solid copper wire and it does warm up perceptibly. The capacitors are the parts that heat up the most, and that's why they should be high quality, poly film, overrated for voltage, and built up total capacitance from smaller units in parallel.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 05, 2014, 01:08:34 AM
@TinselKoala
 I was busy this evening, and the sim will be for the end of the WE. I just have the time to draw and adjust the sim parameters.
One problem: the generator does not want start alone, so I will test it with an external command signal on the drain!
And I confirm  your measurement: no pulse in the current from the battery...  (because C9, L1 and L2)
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 05, 2014, 01:12:19 AM
The UK word is out!
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/cicu-united-kingdom/495-phase-3-update-uk-build (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/cicu-united-kingdom/495-phase-3-update-uk-build)

Same pattern repeating.
* Hang in there we are almost there.
* Did not self loop.
* Ran out of time.  -  Humm, perhaps not speeding so much time installing 11 gongs, and overhead curtains, you would have had more time.
* "...we will be releasing in our famous opensource style!" - A.K.A. disabling comments to various youtube channels and banning questions over at be-do.
* The obligatory Tesla reference.
* Fleeing the scene of the crime.  - But down worry, the prototype in Pennsylvania is now scheduled to be self running in 30 days.  How many times have this been said?

Holding to see the title of the next fund raising caption.  Should be something appropriate like "Stick Em Up!"

Can there really be 40 different QEG Teams all around the world who got suckered into this affair?

I'd like to know this: if they had known the real facts of the "Pennsylvania Prototype" would they have bothered to donate and build? If they had known that no self running had ever been attained, that the power measurements were incorrectly done and reported, and that it was a "research" operation rather than the claimed "just build it and it will work" operation, would they have been so willing to contribute to the "research" and start their own expensive projects?

 Just raise your hands for a count.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 05, 2014, 01:16:53 AM
@TinselKoala
 I was busy this evening, and the sim will be for the end of the WE. I just have the time to draw and adjust the sim parameters.
One problem: the generator does not want start alone, so I will test it with an external command signal on the drain!
And I confirm  your measurement: no pulse in the current from the battery...  (because C9, L1 and L2)
@+
Yes, that's a good point. If anyone actually builds this circuit, start it with a switch to direct 12 volts, do not "ramp up" the power slowly with a power supply's voltage control. A good way to see if it is oscillating is to monitor the input current. If it goes really high (over 3 amps or so) when first starting, with no receiver load, it is likely not oscillating and you will blow a mosfet very quickly, so remove the power immediately, and start over.
But if you just switch it on, to a pre-set 12 volt supply or a battery, it will start up without problems. At least I have never had one not start when switched on like that.
If you have a "noisy switch" option in the simulator you might try that to get the circuit to start oscillating when turned on.

ETA: Also, don't try to operate without the loop installed, or with bad connections to the loop! See image below:
 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 05, 2014, 02:19:00 AM
Well, I suggested that the pressure would be on them to deliver in the UK, and they failed to deliver.

Be afraid..... Be very afraid....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GVrgQWJ6gc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 05, 2014, 03:13:48 AM
Well, at least the deadlines are getting closer. On May 25 she said they would have a self runner in one month, and got more money based on that. June 25 came and went with no self runner. Now she says "by the end of the month" they will have the Pennsylvania Project self-running. Thirtyone days has July, so in four weeks HypeGirl says they'll have a self-runner.

And I say they won't. Why not? Because, dear readers, there is no overunity in their output, for the same reason there is no overunity in the output of my device in spite of the measurements we have seen. They have _never yet_ actually even measured the output, as far as I can tell. The closest we have seen to an output measurement is the bank of lightbulbs, and they sure have not been giving more than a few hundred watts output at most.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 05, 2014, 04:54:17 AM
Quote
Can there really be 40 different QEG Teams all around the world who got suckered into this affair?

I still believe between 10 and 15...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 05, 2014, 05:16:30 AM
As I said  previously the whole thing is a load of bollocks. MH activity dump says it all. TK thanks for the info on James returning to US.  Just posted this on be-do.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/490-pennsylvania-qeg-prototype-ship-to-the-uk#2260 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/490-pennsylvania-qeg-prototype-ship-to-the-uk#2260)

These scammers need to be held to account.  Up to 100 views, the curtain is closing. James will soon be in the shit house, Hopegirl will latch onto another OU scam!

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 05, 2014, 05:23:15 AM
I still believe between 10 and 15...
You missed Belize.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pavqw on July 05, 2014, 12:45:04 PM
As far as I know, to me it seems as normal generator with resonator so effective output is achieved in resonance only. No quantum phenomenon at all. If I am correct, it should be enough to disconnect capacitors and you can achieve output power even during small RPMs so there is no resonator circuit.
And with very normal motor + generator, there is no overunity, why resonance should change it?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 05, 2014, 02:30:36 PM
PCB's two posts about shipping the "working" QEG to the UK have been taken down.  I don't think it's because the road show is moving back to Pennsylvania either.

It's because discussing the fact that that they claimed that they had an over unity prototype in Pennsylvania is a THOUGHTCRIME.

The FTW group has already rewritten the history books and the new term to use for proper thought is RESEARCHMODE.  The "working prototype" never happened.

You zombies in the Be-Do forum, it's time to start waking up.  It's time for your own march.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 05, 2014, 02:41:37 PM
PCB's two posts about shipping the "working" QEG to the UK have been taken down.  I don't think it's because the road show is moving back to Pennsylvania either.

It's because discussing the fact that that they claimed that they had an over unity prototype in Pennsylvania is a THOUGHTCRIME.

The FTW group has already rewritten the history books and the new term to use for proper thought is RESEARCHMODE.  The "working prototype" never happened.

You zombies in the Be-Do forum, it's time to start waking up.  It's time for your own march.

MileHigh
I know I just posted this in response to the Phase 3 UK build.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/cicu-united-kingdom/495-phase-3-update-uk-build
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 05, 2014, 03:26:35 PM
I suspect they are about to ban you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 05, 2014, 03:29:50 PM
Here is the video from the UK Build.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnVXSxYT59g


Folks here might find hopegirls comments and the response at 6:20 min very interesting. They seem to be claiming the just resonance in itself is a major breakthrough and success in its own right. Never mind the rest.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 05, 2014, 03:50:21 PM
Here is the video from the UK Build.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnVXSxYT59g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnVXSxYT59g)


Folks here might find hopegirls comments and the response at 6:20 min very interesting. They seem to be claiming the just resonance in itself is a major breakthrough and success in its own right. Never mind the rest.

A good Red Herring has got to be a real fish, anyhow. The Resonance, being the only form of output effect possible with their design, is of course a milestone to be celebrated. Work hard, struggle, change things, sweat a little, make some more measurements, then... suddenly... Resonance! So the sycophants cheer, and go home for dinner or out for drinks and they celebrate! And they say to one another, "Man, if we only had that inverter everyone is talking about, we'd show them all." And the Resonance can be demonstrated whenever desired.

But they will still never measure the actual output of the system, by immersing their light bulbs in a container of, say, mineral oil and then measuring the rate of temperature rise or the final equilibrium temperature, so that an actual power _output_ figure may be derived. The measurements that they have been making and citing are not ...  as I hope we have shown up above, they are not actually measuring output power but rather are measuring circulating power in the tank circuit.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 05, 2014, 04:17:59 PM
When the guy gave his speech on "resonance being a breakthorugh" he was squirming in his seat.  Besides that I loved the "1966 Be-In vs. Pseudo Nerds" feeling they had going on.

You're built like a car, you've got a hub cap diamond star halo
 You're built like a car, oh yeah
 You're an untamed youth that's the truth with your cloak full of eagles
 You're dirty sweet and you're my girl.

Bring it on, bang a gong, smoke a bong!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 05, 2014, 04:38:54 PM
Also, on a serious technical note, this business about the "Markov coil," is that the business about the "A vector?"  I think it is.

Bollocks, pure idiotic quackery.  Wrapping a big coil around the entire QEG core like that means nothing.  It's just another coil that will respond to net changes in the flux through its loop and produce emf.  That's it, point final!

If you suck power off of the "Markov coil" then you will be removing power from the QEG.  That's it, there is nothing more to it that that.  There will be no free energy to be found there.  There is no such thing as the "A vector" and you certainly cannot draw power from something that does not exist.  It's just a big dumb coil wrapped around the QEG.  Don't expect to see it in future builds.  Speaking of future builds, I can't imagine there being more than five new upstarts over the next six months.  The momentum is ebbing.  Potential builders will be watching what happens with the dozen or so builds that exist right now before drinking the Kool-Aid.

If you take the point of view of a science educator as an example, or as an electrical engineer, it's actually infuriating to see this kind of nonsensical junk science being promoted by people.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 05, 2014, 05:16:54 PM
When the guy gave his speech on "resonance being a breakthorugh" he was squirming in his seat.  Besides that I loved the "1966 Be-In vs. Pseudo Nerds" feeling they had going on.

You're built like a car, you've got a hub cap diamond star halo
 You're built like a car, oh yeah
 You're an untamed youth that's the truth with your cloak full of eagles
 You're dirty sweet and you're my girl.

Bring it on, bang a gong, smoke a bong!

Wow, a blast from the past from T.Rex which is, of course, the first band ever to achieve resonance on stage.  It happened in either Pennsylvania or Morocco, I can't remember which.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on July 05, 2014, 05:20:36 PM
Instead of the QEG being driven with a powerful electric motor, I would like to see it being driven by a pedal power. This will give the punters a better idea of what human energy is required to maintain the lights shining. Maybe some volunteers will step forward from the 'team' to give a video demonstration of continuous running over say a one hour period. This demonstration should give some perspective on the input energy requirements. A comparison could then be made using a pedal driven conventional alternator and inverter setup to compare performance. Incorporating fitness into the QEG project, would introduce another important spin off project - 'hope on your bike'.  :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Magluvin on July 05, 2014, 06:45:36 PM
Instead of the QEG being driven with a powerful electric motor, I would like to see it being driven by a pedal power. This will give the punters a better idea of what human energy is required to maintain the lights shining. Maybe some volunteers will step forward from the 'team' to give a video demonstration of continuous running over say a one hour period. This demonstration should give some perspective on the input energy requirements. A comparison could then be made using a pedal driven conventional alternator and inverter setup to compare performance. Incorporating fitness into the QEG project, would introduce another important spin off project - 'hope on your bike'.  :)

From what I read, a decent biker can put out an average of about 100w.   ;) Average bikers about 65w.  Just for reference.  ;D

Mags
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 05, 2014, 08:01:24 PM
As far as I know, to me it seems as normal generator with resonator so effective output is achieved in resonance only. No quantum phenomenon at all. If I am correct, it should be enough to disconnect capacitors and you can achieve output power even during small RPMs so there is no resonator circuit.
And with very normal motor + generator, there is no overunity, why resonance should change it?

Good question.  What values and arrangement of these copper, capacitors, and steel makes this different from any other arrangement.
I have been waiting to see if the qeg team would ever get around to varying the load.  I suspect lower loads would "ignite" at a lower rotor RPM and higher loads at a higher.  If so I see why this has not been demonstrated, would take the MAGIC out of the show.  I do remember in one of the recent UK interviews someone outside of the qeg team saying that resonance can happen at any rotor speed when you change the capacitors and coil to match the speed.  Which is true.  You want see this detail of operating according to the establishments laws and formulas be mentioned by Hopegirl.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 05, 2014, 08:03:52 PM
I suspect they are about to ban you.

Higgsfield may just only have a southern growing inward downward expanding karma of -1, -2, then -3.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 05, 2014, 08:13:55 PM
Higgsfield may just only have a southern growing inward downward expanding karma of -1, -2, then -3.

Well, I happen to like Higgsfield.  He is only posting the truth over there.  In my mind his karma is about +1,000.  I understand that you, ACG, are very close to this Higgsfield fellow.  As a matter of fact, it could be said that you, ACG, and your knowledge and longing for the truth, actually made up what Higgsfield is today.  I sure hope that he does not get banned over there.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 05, 2014, 10:17:00 PM
Well, if nobody will tell Higgsfield the Truth, maybe he could try posting some Truth himself.

For example, as I have shown, James Robitaille himself told the (approximate) truth about: the 150 hours, the load, the power output, the self-running, the attainment of Resonance and so forth, concerning the Pennsylvania Prototype, in the interview he gave to Sterling Allan that was published on April 6, 2014. 

From about 20:00 on in the interview James finally answers the question Sterling has been asking him since the beginning of the interview.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ)

Surely the doobie-do webmasters would not censor the very Words of James Robitaille, Engineering Artist Extraordinaire, himself, would they?

(But by 25:00 or so it should be clear to anyone who has ever worked with "inverters", back-up power systems or even Electric OU devices of any kind, that James is flailing around trying to avoid using the terms "capacitor energy storage", if he even understands the issue that far. If I grit my teeth any harder they will break, so that's where I have to stop.)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 05, 2014, 11:23:51 PM
This issue of having to have some startup time reserve, or however they put it, for the thing to switch over from running from the mains to running from the magic elusive "inverter" that is so hard to find cracks me up.
(Searching Google for "400 Hz inverter" returns over three million hits, Ebay stores, aviation supply houses, homebrew circuits, you name it).
http://www.kgselectronics.com/
Hey, sillies, instead of using a break-before-make switch or contactor to do the switchover, use separate switches and do this: First you have the thing running on the motor driven by the mains power. Then when you are "in resonance" and your squiggly colored lines are indicating the proper degree of OU, you switch in the inverter supply in parallel with the mains supply to the motor. THEN you turn off the mains supply to the motor. So for a short time, the inverter and the mains are both in parallel powering the motor drive circuit.

Oh of course the QEGgers will hand-wave and wail that you cannot have the inverter and the mains connected at the same time, and I'll say.... of course you can, in any other system than the QEG, apparently.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 06, 2014, 12:11:16 AM
I've not been banned but I have been summarily warned in a direct email to me, in response to the question asking why my posting had been deleted.  There can not be any negativity in the posts and my last one asking for explanations as to why they have not been able to successfully build a working device, given James said he had one in PA, was going just too far he said. Larry pointed to the fact that they are now in R&D mode with the goal of self looping by the end of the month. He made various mentions of trolls, bad people, but affirmed that I am not a troll, thank god!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 06, 2014, 12:53:12 AM
Well, that's all well and good, and I cracked up at the wolf.... but as I've shown, James did _not_ in fact say that he had the Pennsylvania Prototype running as a "successfully built working device".

He was driving it with external power the whole time, it never actually ran for 150 hours, it never was selflooped, and he didn't do proper output testing, and the output testing he did do is most probably similar to what he reported for Morocco.

Anyone who is interested can hear James himself clearing up these issues in the interview with Sterling Allan, three months ago.

I think that the claims to have a "self-running for 150 hours at 10 kW output overunity prototype" was actually a HypeGirl ... er.... slight exaggeration of the facts. And I also think that, had the TRUTH been known at the outset, things might have progressed a bit differently. They might have had to pay for their own vacations, for example.


ETA:  Have _any_ of the present builds actually been run, at resonance producing output lighting up bulbs and heaters, for 1.5 hours continuously without a break or adjustment, I wonder?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 06, 2014, 06:24:17 AM
I've not been banned but I have been summarily warned in a direct email to me, in response to the question asking why my posting had been deleted.  There can not be any negativity in the posts and my last one asking for explanations as to why they have not been able to successfully build a working device, given James said he had one in PA, was going just too far he said. Larry pointed to the fact that they are now in R&D mode with the goal of self looping by the end of the month. He made various mentions of trolls, bad people, but affirmed that I am not a troll, thank god!

One swift reply of "Implementing (-) Karma is in direct violation to the policy laid forth".
The be-do czars would have a fit.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 06, 2014, 06:40:12 AM
Narrative update in order:

1. Output of 240v 42 amps 60hz to be easily connected to your house (from manual 03-25-2014 http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/qeg-user-manual-3-25-14.pdf).
2. Output of 2000v 5 amps 400hz (from Taiwan interviews starting @4:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE notice James said "if")
3. Output of 1400v at lower amps yet 200hz, and may need an aerial? (Morocco May 2014)
4. Output to be supplemented with a Markov coil + transverter to draw power from reactivity of the primary coil (United Kingdom June 2014 http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/).
5. UK No Go.  Return to Pennsylvania prototype.  Now classified as Research and Development.  Self runner to be completed in a month (July 4, 2014 https://twitter.com/hopegirl587/status/485162445795635200)


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 06, 2014, 07:23:46 AM
Narrative update in order:

1. Output of 240v 42 amps 60hz to be easily connected to your house (from manual 03-25-2014 http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/qeg-user-manual-3-25-14.pdf (http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/qeg-user-manual-3-25-14.pdf)).
2. Output of 2000v 5 amps 400hz (from Taiwan interviews starting @4:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE) notice James said "if")
3. Output of 1400v at lower amps yet 200hz, and may need an aerial? (Morocco May 2014)
4. Output to be supplemented with a Markov coil + transverter to draw power from reactivity of the primary coil (United Kingdom June 2014 http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/)).
5. UK No Go.  Return to Pennsylvania prototype.  Now classified as Research and Development.  Self runner to be completed in a month (July 4, 2014 https://twitter.com/hopegirl587/status/485162445795635200 (https://twitter.com/hopegirl587/status/485162445795635200))
Thank's for the timeline ACG. I'm finding it difficult to keep track of all the changes/rewrites.  The problem is they keep pushing the goal posts down the track. Now it's self looping at the end of the month. You notice that with all the fan fair leading up to the UK build, that in the UK videos there are no measurements presented, no osc waveforms, no results given for the Markov coil, really nothing to hang your hat on. Or from their perspective hang yourself by the neck.  The only solid report technically from the vid was that the QEG does not produce ionizing radiation. Really not something I would have thought to test for at 400Hz.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 06, 2014, 04:09:53 PM
Getting serious for a moment. My thoughts here are inspired from reading this article:

http://globalenergytransmission.com/index.php/en/latest-news/27-examining-working-principle-of-tesla-tower (http://globalenergytransmission.com/index.php/en/latest-news/27-examining-working-principle-of-tesla-tower)

1. The QEG is a mechanically driven resonator, whereby a standing wave is created in the primary via parametric excitation.
2. The QEG is also a transformer than allows energy to be drawn off from via the secondary.
3. At resonance the primary is a "charge" or "current buffer"

In the present design there is no way for charge to be brought into the buffer, except via the parametric excitation process. So what if the primary is connected to the ground? Could the QEG be made to work like Tesla's tower?

So notes:

"Active Resistance" http://books.google.com/books?id=ejzScufwDRUC&pg=PA913&lpg=PA913&dq=lc+circuit+%22active+resistance%22+resonance&source=bl&ots=nIpCGrxWlb&sig=RF89qQnFbRWJ_j2FaOgXeKyM3ZY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FFq5U5qgCMeQyASn14HAAg&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=lc%20circuit%20%22active%20resistance%22%20resonance&f=false (http://books.google.com/books?id=ejzScufwDRUC&pg=PA913&lpg=PA913&dq=lc+circuit+%22active+resistance%22+resonance&source=bl&ots=nIpCGrxWlb&sig=RF89qQnFbRWJ_j2FaOgXeKyM3ZY&hl=en&sa=X&ei=FFq5U5qgCMeQyASn14HAAg&ved=0CDoQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=lc%20circuit%20%22active%20resistance%22%20resonance&f=false)

Taken from above article:
Quote
The answer is simple as we have already examined working principle of the Tesla Tower. From the viewpoint of generator, Tesla Tower is not any different from some kind of external ground (connected via active resistance of the Tower). This is due to the fact that generator “sees” only active resistance of the Tower but does not react anyhow at the charge value, which is accumulated in the tower. This is because of capacitive and inductive resistance in the resonance mode compensate each other. In other words, for generator the Tower is some sort of “grounding” via resistance which is equal to active resistance of the Tower.  As it was noticed above, such charge evokes distribution of the charges in ground located in direct proximity next to the Tower. However, the higher charge integrator of the Tower is elevated the less important is that factor as capacity Earth-Ground is decreasing. It is enough to elevate charge integrator to the height which is significantly higher that the size of integrator so that the Tesla Tower would really start to serve as “external ground” for the reference generator (i.e. it is enough to minimize the capacity between the Tower and Earth so  that own isolated capacity value of the Tower would become at least somewhat equal to that of the capacity Tower-Earth)."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 06, 2014, 06:01:59 PM
PCB:

In the culture of free energy you often see this notion of making a connection to a true earth ground as somehow being part of the configuration to give you a free energy device.  They talk about the ground being a "supplier of electrons" and stuff like that.  It's all foolishness.  Part of the explanation for the foolishness was about five years ago when people played with CFLs and automotive ignition coils in a "reverse configuration" where the high voltage output of the coil was connected to earth ground.  The net result was the entire test apparatus was made to bounce up and down at a high AC potential with respect to the earth ground.  With that type of setup you can touch any part of the setup with a neon light and it will glow, and it means nothing.

I am no expert on Tesla but I seem to recall reading some writings by Tesla about the Wardenclyffe tower.  He was trying to make a Morse code transmitter that could go all around the world.  So he was just trying to transmit dots and dashes that everybody could receive.  And that's the end of the story.  In my opinion everything else that you read about the tower is nothing more than untrue wild speculation that has taken on a life of its own.  It was not an attempt to transmit large scale electromagnetic energy around the world so that you could put up an antenna and power your house.  That is simply ridiculous and wrong.

The QEG and the Wardenclyffe Tower have nothing to do with each other.  Connecting the QEG to a true earth ground is meaningless.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 06, 2014, 06:18:11 PM
It's July 6th 2014 and Naima and Jamie will not succeed in making a self-looping QEG by July 31st, 2014 in Pennsylvania.  It's won't happen because the QEG is just a ridiculous inefficient mechanical-to-electrical generator.  That is the reality and that is what all of the replicators are seeing on their test benches as I write this.

So, on August 1st, 2014, I am challenging all of the Be-Doers to start speaking their minds on the forum.  Stop acting like sheeple drones.  You know that things look bleak right now.  They will be really bleak on August 1st.  Stand up against your oppressors on the Be-Do forum that have you clamped in a fake "hugs and resonance and granola" fantasy.  Some of you have invested a lot of time and money because of the false claims and promises of Naima and Jamie.  Stand up for your rights.

When Naima and Jamie fail to deliver by July 31st they deserve to get their asses kicked in a virtual sense on the Be-Do forum.  You Be-Doers and other QEG replicators know this is true.

On August 1st, 2014, it's time for you guys and girls to break out of your straitjackets and rise up and fight for the truth, and stop fighting for this mindless pablum that Naima and Jamie are feeding you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 06, 2014, 06:53:49 PM
Tesla spoke of ground "standing waves", which he was able to detect and has a Patent as such. These standing waves were present during thunderstorms. If the QEG could be tuned into them via a ground connection, then could it harvest the energy during a thunderstorm. Just fantasizing!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 06, 2014, 06:59:45 PM
Tesla spoke of ground "standing waves", which he was able to detect and has a Patent as such. These standing waves were present during thunderstorms. If the QEG could be tuned into them via a ground connection, then could it harvest the energy during a thunderstorm. Just fantasizing!!!

You need to see the spikes from my earth battery when there is a thunderstorm anywhere near my area.  I mean like even 100 miles away I can tell it is out there somewhere.  These, and other large "normal" spikes are why, I believe, my supercaps charge up higher than the voltage I can read from my dmm's.

A long time ago, I tried to get folks to replicate my system all over the world and then keep track of really high spikes to see if there was a correlation with any earthquake event or major storm system  somewhere on the planet.  Electricme (Jim) did some great work on this also but we never got enough folks involved at various places on the planet to make any kind of sense out of the data.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 06, 2014, 07:17:25 PM
Maybe we are looking at this all wrong. Who really designed the QEG and what does the extra exciter coil do? (I'm viewing the QEG as being a mini Wardenclyffe Tower, which also had a extra exciter coil in its design). To me the two appear very similar, a resonant charge pumping device, whereas the tower was to transmit energy, the QEG is a receiver in my way of thinking) . While I ponder this question, I have one needing an answer.

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“… I was very lucky to discover new and amazing phenomena, such as rotating magnetic field, glowing of wireless vacuum tubes and many other high frequency effects, which amazed the world. (…) But what impressed me as more beautiful than anything else was the discovery of stationary waves, to which I came in 1899, and which showed that that the whole planet on which we live, despite its incomprehensible size, could be made to response with vibration to the lowest whisper of human voice. …”.
  From: Branimir Jovanovic, “Tesla, Spirit, Work, Vision”, Freemental, 2001.

Bill: Are electric ground standing waves always present? I assume the energy comes from the ionosphere via lighting strikes?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 06, 2014, 08:28:34 PM


Bill: Are electric ground standing waves always present? I assume the energy comes from the ionosphere via lighting strikes?

Yes, there are always big spikes as viewed on the scope but, if a storm is anywhere around they get much larger.  Some claim these spikes (the "normal" ones) are leakage from ac cables and ground wires.  I can not prove this nor disprove this at this time.  I don't think they are but, I have never moved my system to an area far away from grid power to test this so, I am just making somewhat of a guess here.

A good test for anyone is to take your dmm outside and place the + probe into a tree and the - into the ground.  Set it on volts, in the lower scale area.  If your trees are like mine, you will see a - voltage reading of somewhere near 1 volt.  This astounds me as I always thought the "ground" was negative.  But, I have only tested the trees in my area, possibly other areas have positive trees?

It just occurred to me that I never hooked my scope up to a tree.  I wonder if those spikes are there also?
Hmmmm....

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 06, 2014, 08:34:11 PM
Another thought I just had.  It was electicme's idea for me to test my earth battery with my scope by using a 50' extension cord and sticking the probes into the plug.  Otherwise I could not run my scope out in the front yard.  I wonder if that extension cord was acting as an antenna and that is where those spikes come from?  That is the only way I can use my scope outdoors (Leaving the scope inside and using the long cord to extend the reach of my probes) and, now that I think of it, I might have tainted any results by doing so?

Damn!  So, my experiments are inconclusive at this time I suppose.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 06, 2014, 08:38:25 PM
The "exciter coil" is another Red Herring, doing absolutely nothing in reality. Witness Timmy Thrapp's claim that it only needs to be used for the first couple of weeks, until the QEG is "conditioned". Then you don't need the exciter coil or spark gap any more.

This is so comical it's beyond belief. Some people will just believe anything you tell them, if it goes along with their hopes and preconceptions. Data isn't needed at all! Contradictions don't matter! Critical thinking is suspended, it's only for trolls! Negativity in thought and comment prevents OU success!


Of course a good connection to the actual Earth ground is important for medium-wave RF EM systems; the ground functions as both a Source and a Sink for electric charge and provides a virtual return path. I should have thought this was relatively uncontroversial. Systems that seek to entrain energy in the form of electric charge (electrons mostly) have to get it from somewhere, and it's not disputable that the Earth-ground-atmosphere is a great reservoir of charge; there are _always_ lightning storms happening somewhere on the planet. So it makes sense to try to use antennas and proper ground connections if you think you can harvest environmental energy from the Earth-atmosphere-ground system.

There is a complicating factor that many of us in the "first world" may not realize, and that is that some countries use, in their national electric grids and urban power grids, a type of system that actually uses the ground as a _real_ current path. With these systems it really is possible to power devices from the "ground" connection, as it is actually tapping into the distribution grid and bypassing any domestic supply  metering system that way.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 06, 2014, 08:39:52 PM
Another thought I just had.  It was electicme's idea for me to test my earth battery with my scope by using a 50' extension cord and sticking the probes into the plug.  Otherwise I could not run my scope out in the front yard.  I wonder if that extension cord was acting as an antenna and that is where those spikes come from?  That is the only way I can use my scope outdoors (Leaving the scope inside and using the long cord to extend the reach of my probes) and, now that I think of it, I might have tainted any results by doing so?

Damn!  So, my experiments are inconclusive at this time I suppose.

Bill
Don't you have a UPS on your computer? Or an inverter power supply? Surely you can rig up a portable PS for the scope so you can take it outside without the long cord.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 06, 2014, 09:43:34 PM
Don't you have a UPS on your computer? Or an inverter power supply? Surely you can rig up a portable PS for the scope so you can take it outside without the long cord.

Well, if I go out my window, I suppose I could use a 20' cord to power the scope (after carrying it outside) and use the probes as they were designed?  I know there are spikes there as my dmm shows 1.9 volts yet I can charge up fully my 650F 2.7 volt cap.  So, something is charging it.  I will look into this and report back in the proper topic area.

Thanks,

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 07, 2014, 01:21:42 AM
Now hopegirl is hinting that her group is the reason why Tesla motors decided to open source.
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/07/06/the-new-paradigm-has-begun-open-source-co-development-global-dream-team-qeg-update/
"Since the open sourcing of the QEG, many other inventors have gained the courage to opensource their inventions to the world. A great example of a more well known recent open sourcing is with Tesla Motors."

The reason she added that was because of a comment someone left to her claiming the qeg "effect" is why Elon Musk open sourced.  I already squashed that in a prior post.  http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg407218/#msg407218
Self quoting--
"8th comment down over at http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/06/04/the-amazing-story-of-the-qeg-build-in-morocco/
"You have now started a movement for Tesla Electric Car to let go of their patents and open source their cars." - https://autos.yahoo.com/news/musk-tesla-going-open-source-lifting-patents-good-181914074.html

Poster completely ignores what the article says about Elon Musk's reasoning.  How after his Zip2 patent he wanted to avoid them whenever possible, too many lawsuits.  Technology leadership is not patent pending  :D but is based on a companies engineers.  Publisher finishes up with electric cars can learn from smart phone wars.

Notice not one peep about qeg.  Billions of PDF files can be clicked on irrelevant of closed or open sourcing.  The Open Source initiative has been around since 1998.  FTW, is one of a billion downloadable PDF files.  Tesla Electric must have seen the "qeg-user-manual-3-25-14.pdf" called it a movement and jumped on the qeg bandwagon .  That sounds about right.  :P"
--End quote


She is back to mentioning the 5,000 engineers in China.  They must be like the 300 Spartans, they just keep going and going and going.  What is this making quantum leaps she rambles on about?  Notice the word choice she used.  Its a clear case of subliminal suggestion.  Hopegirl will hold nothing back in her multi-level marketing "Stick Em Up" plan.

I cannot wait to see this magnanimous world saving report.
"...measurements of some of the most revolutionary finds on harnessing free energy in history. Much of which will be coming out in full technical reports as soon as we can compose them!"

The delusions of grandeur has not dropped one valence shell with this one.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rigel4 on July 07, 2014, 03:07:34 AM
5. UK No Go.  Return to Pennsylvania prototype.  Now classified as Research and Development.  Self runner to be completed in a month (July 4, 2014 https://twitter.com/hopegirl587/status/485162445795635200)

The above twitter link  goes to a gofundme video. I could not get though much of the video , but  I was skipping through to the end, where they say that they do not want to fund "hindu kush" anymore. Can someone please double check me on this? Is this the next build location? A very good pick for a secret hideout for sure.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 07, 2014, 03:21:50 AM
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The results are phenomenal! Where it would take years to perfect something in a closed environment, the engineers are making quantum leaps in the discoveries of free energy technology. The build in Taiwan exposed dozens of engineers from Taiwan and as many as 5000 engineers in China to the basics of Tesla’s free energy technology. Engineers from 24 countries met us in Morocco for further brain storming and collaboration. Most recently in the UK we have another collaboration of engineers and planet changers from several different countries.
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So far the UK QEG has achieved resonance and overunity in VARS. Once again it was proven that there is a tremendous amount of power inside of the core. Hundreds of thousands of dollars of professional equipment were lent to the build to provide unique measurements of some of the most revolutionary finds on harnessing free energy in history. Much of which will be coming out in full technical reports as soon as we can compose them! We are now in the long tuning process, which is necessary to achieve self-running. The engineers worked long hard hours in the most beautiful spirit of collaboration we have ever witnessed. Unfortunately many could only stay for a short period of time and had to return back to their geographic locations before the tuning process and further testing and measurements were complete for self running. So now the project continues on towards self running in several geographic locations simultaneously. What has resulted is the Global Dream Team.
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There is no question of “if” we will have self-running free energy around the world. It is only a matter of time now. And this time is coming soon, perhaps in the next few weeks. What is important to focus on now, is how we will adapt to this new way of being. How will we do business together? How will we co-create together? Patents, ownership, secrecy and greed are ways that are becoming obsolete in the new world of open sourcing, co-development and instantaneous sharing of technology across digital platforms and social media.

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Donate to the Phase 3 QEG - self running HERE.

Everything that was highlighted in bold is simply pure crap coming out of Naima's mouth.

The two items that are highlighted in the red glow are the setup for Naima and Jamie failing to achieve self-running by the end of July.  In fact, they are foreshadowing the fact that they will never achieve self running.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 07, 2014, 03:38:56 AM
It appears that over the last month they raised $20K for "Phase 3."

I am not keeping track of all of the "funding" efforts but if this "Phase 3" one is new, it just goes to show you that a sucker is born every minute and there is gold in them thar suckers.

It's called mining people in my book.  After all, these are naive people that are donating money after being told that there will be a big return in making the Earth a better place.

It's called "Pious Fraud."

http://www.gofundme.com/phase3qeg (http://www.gofundme.com/phase3qeg)

P.S.:  I put "funding" in quotations because it's money being poured down the drain that will never achieve any results.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 07, 2014, 06:01:13 AM
I sneaked in a comment under user ACG.  Notice the first letter of each sentence.
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/07/06/the-new-paradigm-has-begun-open-source-co-development-global-dream-team-qeg-update/

Free energy is ours. Thank you FTW!!
Remember electric bills? That is what my grandchildren will ask me!
All good things come from the heart.
Universe has smiled on us today.
Dreams are now a reality. I am bursting in excitement!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 09, 2014, 03:18:25 PM
Bump.

It's not time to let this topic fade away! I have a picture in my mind of dozens of QEG teams all over the world, all praying towards Pennsylvania, waiting for the Engineering Artist James Robitaille to show them how to Fix the World by making their expensive doorstops into Self-Runners.

The Pressure is ON, Jamie! You can no longer play the excuse that you--
-- don't have good internet access
-- can't get proper materials or supplies
-- don't have the tools you need
-- can't depend on the local electric grid (ironic, that one, eh? A free energy device that depends on the local grid..... I am laughing in my coffee.)
-- can't eat the local food without getting dysentery
-- don't have anyone competent to help you or give you advice

Feel free to post your daily progress reports on this Open Source project. Don't keep your world-wide groups of the faithful, waiting and guessing and stubbing their toes on their big expensive doorstops. How much does a completed wound core assembly weigh, I wonder? Have they all been potted, before you changed your mind and decided that was a mistake? Can't even re-use the wire from one that's potted. But you can probably still turn them in to a metal recycler for scrap value and recover some of your expenses that way.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pavqw on July 09, 2014, 05:59:30 PM
I am very interested in what comes at the end of this month.
Open source project concept was'nt understood there at all. First there should be access to all stuff they did and what's a plan exactly. Which configuration was tested with all the details.
And especially there is nothing like community. There are maybe 4 "active" (in a closed circle) ppl and few around them without any knowledge.
If they want to succeed, it has to be really open. Why they need money when community can do such tests for free? But if there are no details about it, there is nothing to test.
Why the latest videos are demonstrating resonance only as demonstrated few months ago? Whats a problem with inverter?
If I am correct and if motor is DC and there is really overunity, where is a problem to use 1-4 diodes to transform AC->DC?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 09, 2014, 11:42:06 PM
Whether the motor is DC, or AC, or a "universal" type, makes no difference at all, because there _is no overunity_ in any of the measurements they have posted! None at all! The claims of overunity, 33x or whatever, are utterly false, and there is no such thing as "overunity in VARs", that's just silly.

When the end of this month comes around, there will be more tales of woe, more excuses (perhaps the personal illness of one of the participants prevented more work) and more solicitation of "donations"... because after all, Timmy Thrapp had one that worked, so we know self-running is just around the corner, Resonance, and Overunity in VARs after all!



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: picowatt on July 10, 2014, 01:46:36 AM
Whether the motor is DC, or AC, or a "universal" type, makes no difference at all, because there _is no overunity_ in any of the measurements they have posted! None at all! The claims of overunity, 33x or whatever, are utterly false, and there is no such thing as "overunity in VARs", that's just silly.

When the end of this month comes around, there will be more tales of woe, more excuses (perhaps the personal illness of one of the participants prevented more work) and more solicitation of "donations"... because after all, Timmy Thrapp had one that worked, so we know self-running is just around the corner, Resonance, and Overunity in VARs after all!

I would like to see Jamie come forward with more details regarding his time at WITTS and be more open and honest regarding the testing and measurement of the OU he claimed to have achieved with the Pa. unit he built.  I do not really understand why the QEG believers do not also insist on this. 

The two videos I have seen of the Witts generator are very consistent with power being fed to the lamp board switch via hidden wires in the wood added to the bench supports.  Note the switch sequencing and how/when the bulbs are screwed in and out (and the 60Hz output claim).

In the newer of the two videos, towards the end after the gen has been shut down when the camera man is getting close to the lamp board, the demonstrator says, "let me turn off the inverter", where it appears that he switches off the switch on the lamp board (the only other switches involved remain in frame and untouched).  You wouldn't want anyone to accidentally bump a slightly unscrewed bulb and make it flash on revealing that the lamps still have power even after the gen has been turned off!

Also, as the camera man pans about, no where is there anything that looks like the spark gaps or exciter coil in the QEG.  For that matter, neither is an inverter or "transverter" evident.  So why are these additional components required when Witts was supposedly able to achieve OU without them? 

It would be interesting to know exactly what was demonstrated to Jamie while he was at Witts.  Was some other unit demonstrated that did have an exciter coil and spark gap?  If so, did anyone think to ask why they were apparently not required in the two videos?  Was his time at Witts a prayer filled, mantra chanting, cult like atmosphere where participants are brainwashed into believing what is told and shown to them without question?  Were any "real" questions treated similarly to the bad Karma awarded at Be-Do?

Months ago I thought it might be possible that Jamie himself had been hoodwinked by trickery at Witts and altruistically believed that this technology needed to be given to the world.  But, the claims stated regarding the QEG by Hopegirl during the pre-Morocco trip fund raiser and in the subsequent interview of Jamie on PESN, sure made it sound like this was a done deal.  OU achieved and load tested!  So what has changed?  Could Jamie really have simply mixed up peak to peak and RMS?  Were his claims of achieving OU actually related to the Pa. unit he built or more so to do with his time at Witts and demos he witnessed while there?  Or, at the worst, was this all about making some money via donations, Witts on steroids if you will.

If the QEG folks believe that the QEG can be a real source of OU, do they also by extension believe the Witts videos are real?  If so, why is the extra effort and components (exciter coil, spark gap, inverter, transverter, etc) required to achieve OU with the QEG when it was apparently not required in the Witts videos?

The best thing Jamie can do at this point is either demonstrate and allow independent verification of his Pa. unit while it is achieving OU (as he stated in the PESN interview that it can do), or admit that he was either hoodwinked by Witts or simply made a mistake and mixed up peak to peak and RMS when measuring his output.

Personally, to save face, I think that at some point they will all throw Witts under the bus, blaming the whole fiasco on Witts and forcing Witts to back up their claims or at the least be discredited.  "I'm sorry that we spent all the donated money and that there is none to give back, but this is all Witts fault, they tricked us into believing something that we honestly felt the world should have for "free".  Shame on them..." (and bad karma points as well for Witts...)  Alternately, they could claim that Witts must be holding out on the "secret sauce" (which might be ideal if FTW and Witts decide to call a truce and go in on the money machine together if they haven't already).  And of course, there is always that MIB fall back position.

PW

One more thing, why in the heck is the exciter coil and spark gap in series with one secondary?  At the very least, if the exciter coil and spark gap were instead in parallel with the primary, a narrow spark gap across the primary might prevent all the issues they are having with primary insulation breakdown by limiting primary voltage, and with a proper exciter coil, they might actually be able to produce that often mentioned but never seen 1.3MHz as the gap fires.  But then again, Witts apparently managed just fine without all that... 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: bolt on July 10, 2014, 02:52:46 AM
If you want access to "cheap" or "free"   VARS then use Rotoverter system from scrap or low cost used 3 phase standard off the shelf motors.  Even a brand new motor only cost about 200 bucks.   I dunno how much the QEG cost to build must be hundreds of perhaps couple of thousand dollars. I  tell you now i can produce  VARs  in the order of  3 to 5 KVARS from my 5 hp 3 phase motor that cost me 20 bucks from garage sale and runs on just 50 watts.  The o/p is clean pure sine VARS no squigles or double top humps!

Is it OU in this setup?  well no but for 20 bucks it pisses over any test the QEG can offer.   For a start they need 600 watts versus my 50 watts and mine makes KVAR'S :)

Best thing to do is wait till they perfected the "VARS to WATTS transverter" then we all get free energy without building an expensive Witts Boat Anchor!!



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 10, 2014, 04:51:37 AM
@picowatt:

Thrapp has said that the exciter coil / spark gap stuff is only necessary for the first couple weeks of operation, to "condition" the device. Once that has been done these parts can be removed, they are no longer needed.

I am not kidding.

So maybe the device Timmy showed in those old videos had already been properly "conditioned". Uh-huh.


On the other hand, you need a good Red Herring to link this thing to Tesla, somehow, and what better way than to put in an aircore coil and a spark gap! Instant Tesla!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: picowatt on July 10, 2014, 05:06:02 AM
@picowatt:

Thrapp has said that the exciter coil / spark gap stuff is only necessary for the first couple weeks of operation, to "condition" the device. Once that has been done these parts can be removed, they are no longer needed.

I am not kidding.

So maybe the device Timmy showed in those old videos had already been properly "conditioned". Uh-huh.


On the other hand, you need a good Red Herring to link this thing to Tesla, somehow, and what better way than to put in an aircore coil and a spark gap! Instant Tesla!

Well then, should not at least one of Jamie's builds be "conditioned" by now?

Now that Jamie has returned to Pa., maybe he will show everyone the unit he has there doing what he claimed it could do.

PW
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 10, 2014, 06:00:49 AM
Well then, should not at least one of Jamie's builds be "conditioned" by now?

Now that Jamie has returned to Pa., maybe he will show everyone the unit he has there doing what he claimed it could do.

PW
I don't recall seeing them using the coil and spark gap.
But as far as the unit in PA goes... as I have shown, in the interview with Sterling on PESN he tells the truth (sort of) about the PA Prototype.
1. It was never "run" for 150 hours. It was _driven_ for perhaps 1.5 hours, many times, in the "resonance mode", and James estimates a total of about 150 hours being driven in that mode.
2. The _peak_ power measured by clampon meters, DMMs and the oscilloscope was a bit over 9 kW and the _average_ was "probably" between 4 and 5 kW. Although he did not say so specifically I think we know that he is referring once again to peak-to-peak readings multiplied together and not the true "average power" which is Vrms x Irms -- just as they have done with all subsequent "OU in VARs" claims.
3. No... James specifically says the unit never actually ran itself.  He complains about building it in his barn, not having the necessary inverter, etc etc but after all the hemming and hawing is done the fact remains: they "released" this device to the "public" based on the "resonance" and misinterpretation of their measurements and the device _never_ in fact produced any OU or ran itself.

So in order to show everyone that the PA prototype does what _he_ claimed, all he need do is show the Resonance and some bulbs lighting up, and some squiggly colored lines on the scope. He really never claimed anything more than that.

When HypeGirl said the thing "works" and had "run for 150 hours" she was deliberately trying to give the impression that she meant "self running while producing extra power output" which is the usual meaning of "working" and "running" in our community. Isn't it? However this was clearly not the case and James himself told us so in the interview. Nothing that has transpired since has trumped that set of statements from JR. And the problems that caused them to be unable to make the PA Prototype "work" remain: the thing has never made any OU and never will, so all efforts trying to make it self-run are futile.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 10, 2014, 06:03:26 AM
The Florida QEG folks just posted these two videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW2bCM90Yms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW2bCM90Yms)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSqXRVuXpFY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSqXRVuXpFY)

From: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/475-myths-about-reactive-power-in-resonant-circuits (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/475-myths-about-reactive-power-in-resonant-circuits)

It interesting, he passes the output from the primary through a transformer, which is akin the secondary is doing of coarse, to convert VARs to Watts. He references this paper:

http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/772/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/772/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf)

Bolt: You might find the above interesting. I have several large 3 phase motors, around 20 HP. I also have one as a generator set (25 HP 3ph motor that drives a 15 KW gen that outputs at 120 Hz). What can I do with these? Would you consider posting a pdf of your circuit and setup info.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 10, 2014, 06:16:57 AM
The Florida QEG folks just posted these two videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW2bCM90Yms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW2bCM90Yms)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSqXRVuXpFY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSqXRVuXpFY)

From: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/475-myths-about-reactive-power-in-resonant-circuits (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/475-myths-about-reactive-power-in-resonant-circuits)

Clearly there has been a lot of effort done by those folks. But..... are they actually competent?

Six light bulbs glowing dimly as the load? AC coupling shown on the scope channel? What exactly is the Hall sensor doing? Certainly not providing a trigger signal for the scope! What is that _battery_ doing there?  They think they need a 1000x HV probe because their voltages are so high, and the guy is gesturing around in there and touching stuff randomly with his bare fingers?

I swear, my presentations of frigging JT waveforms on my 2213a are better than these fancy DSO users give.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 10, 2014, 06:35:01 AM
Clearly there has been a lot of effort done by those folks. But..... are they actually competent?

Six light bulbs glowing dimly as the load? AC coupling shown on the scope channel? What exactly is the Hall sensor doing? Certainly not providing a trigger signal for the scope! What is that _battery_ doing there?  They think they need a 1000x HV probe because their voltages are so high, and the guy is gesturing around in there and touching stuff randomly with his bare fingers?

I swear, my presentations of frigging JT waveforms on my 2213a are better than these fancy DSO users give.
I think we see in the videos that again this device is very inefficient. Now he looks to be using only one of the primary coils, but even so that output looks to be quite low. I'm interested in the transformer idea. I'm not real sure how this works. On the one side we have a mechanically driven oscillator, which feeds into a transformer. I would assume that the C must be adjusted as there are now two parallel inductors. The transformer isolates the resistive load, which will always force the  V & I to be inphase. However, there is an additional impedance placed on the primary as a result of the load. I'm sure if he was to show the primary waveform we would see that the V & I are nolonger 90 degrees out of phase (he says 50 degrees in the first video by mistake).

This guys is building three QEGs. He clearly thinks he can do what Jamie could not. Lets see if he post further videos, or will he stop once he realizes he is on a hiding to nothing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 10, 2014, 06:41:58 AM
In the image below you see a system that has a high degree of reactive power circulating in the resonant "primary" on the left. It is much greater than the input power drawn as DC from the battery. This reactive power is "transformed" by the air-core transformer whose secondary is now powering a real resistive lightbulb load, on the right. This system is doing exactly the same thing electronically that the QEG device is doing electromechanically, and it's doing it a lot more quietly and a lot cheaper.

I can haz cheezburger now?





Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 10, 2014, 06:44:35 AM
Note that the light bulb is _brighter_ when powered by the wireless system and battery,  than it is when it is connected directly to the same battery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk)

Cheezburger, with fryz?




It seems to me that anyone who wants to claim that the QEG is OU... must have a hard time to explain to me why my system isn't. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 10, 2014, 06:58:06 AM
Note that the light bulb is _brighter_ when powered by the wireless system and battery,  than it is when it is connected directly to the same battery.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk)

Cheezburger, with fryz?

It seems to me that anyone who wants to claim that the QEG is OU... must have a hard time to explain to me why my system isn't.
Nice! Very nice! I agree this is essentially the same setup.  But no cheezburger yet.  I assume the V&I on the primary are close to 90 out of phase. What effect does the load have on these waveforms when you bring the two halves of the air transformer together?

I'm sitting on the edge of my seat right now. You video appears to show OU but is not, correct? I think a video showing the effect of the load on the primary could short circuit the whole QEG effort, and using only a few dollars in parts, and a few cheezburgers!

Also, have you posted a circuit diagram anyplace of your circuit setup, I'd really like to build one of these guys?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 10, 2014, 07:04:22 AM
Quote
Clearly there has been a lot of effort done by those folks. But..... are they actually competent?

I watched the two clips and my Spidey senses are tingling.

There is another test that I never mentioned because it is "too obvious" so I filtered it out in my head as not worth mentioning:

Measure what happens in the primary tank circuit as you vary the power dissipation in the load connected to the secondary.

Attach load A of 10 watts and measure primary peak-to-peak voltage and the voltage-current phase angle.  Measure motor input power.
Attach load B of 20 watts and measure primary peak-to-peak voltage and the voltage-current phase angle.  Measure motor input power.
Attach load C of 50 watts and measure primary peak-to-peak voltage and the voltage-current phase angle.  Measure motor input power.

For some experimenters it will be a challenge to determine the resistance of the load to draw 10 watts.  A bit of experimenting and you should be able to figure that out.

What happens as you increase the output power in regular steps?  Get to know your QEG.

If some builders did this it would be a giant leap forward in free energy research and open up new avenues of discovery that have never been seen before.  Synergistic modalities.

BeliefBoy
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 10, 2014, 07:14:54 AM
TK: I just watched your video. I do see the difference in the brightness. I would explain it as  the coil voltage (ac) is greater than the battery (dc) and you will see a commiserate increase in the current from the battery when you bring the load coil close to the primary coil.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 10, 2014, 07:17:54 AM
I watched the two clips and my Spidey senses are tingling.

There is another test that I never mentioned because it is "too obvious" so I filtered it out in my head as not worth mentioning:

Measure what happens in the primary tank circuit as you vary the power dissipation in the load connected to the secondary.

Attach load A of 10 watts and measure primary peak-to-peak voltage and the voltage-current phase angle.  Measure motor input power.
Attach load B of 20 watts and measure primary peak-to-peak voltage and the voltage-current phase angle.  Measure motor input power.
Attach load C of 50 watts and measure primary peak-to-peak voltage and the voltage-current phase angle.  Measure motor input power.

For some experimenters it will be a challenge to determine the resistance of the load to draw 10 watts.  A bit of experimenting and you should be able to figure that out.

What happens as you increase the output power in regular steps?  Get to know your QEG.

If some builders did this it would be a giant leap forward in free energy research and open up new avenues of discovery that have never been seen before.  Synergistic modalities.

BeliefBoy
Absolutely right, could suggestion. I posted early on be-do that post the more waveforms, as has vgrey.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: picowatt on July 10, 2014, 07:32:21 AM
I don't recall seeing them using the coil and spark gap.
But as far as the unit in PA goes... as I have shown, in the interview with Sterling on PESN he tells the truth (sort of) about the PA Prototype.
1. It was never "run" for 150 hours. It was _driven_ for perhaps 1.5 hours, many times, in the "resonance mode", and James estimates a total of about 150 hours being driven in that mode.
2. The _peak_ power measured by clampon meters, DMMs and the oscilloscope was a bit over 9 kW and the _average_ was "probably" between 4 and 5 kW. Although he did not say so specifically I think we know that he is referring once again to peak-to-peak readings multiplied together and not the true "average power" which is Vrms x Irms -- just as they have done with all subsequent "OU in VARs" claims.
3. No... James specifically says the unit never actually ran itself.  He complains about building it in his barn, not having the necessary inverter, etc etc but after all the hemming and hawing is done the fact remains: they "released" this device to the "public" based on the "resonance" and misinterpretation of their measurements and the device _never_ in fact produced any OU or ran itself.

So in order to show everyone that the PA prototype does what _he_ claimed, all he need do is show the Resonance and some bulbs lighting up, and some squiggly colored lines on the scope. He really never claimed anything more than that.

When HypeGirl said the thing "works" and had "run for 150 hours" she was deliberately trying to give the impression that she meant "self running while producing extra power output" which is the usual meaning of "working" and "running" in our community. Isn't it? However this was clearly not the case and James himself told us so in the interview. Nothing that has transpired since has trumped that set of statements from JR. And the problems that caused them to be unable to make the PA Prototype "work" remain: the thing has never made any OU and never will, so all efforts trying to make it self-run are futile.

TK,

I realize Jamie never said he had accomplished a self-runner, but did he not say in the PESN interview that he had connected loads to the output (a heater or the like) that supposedly drew more than the input to the motor?  I'll try to find the time to listen to it again more closely.

If all the claims are in error because of his misuse of pk to pk vs. rms values, then he should just own up to that.

PW
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on July 10, 2014, 07:37:01 AM
The Florida QEG folks just posted these two videos:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW2bCM90Yms (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW2bCM90Yms)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSqXRVuXpFY (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSqXRVuXpFY)

From: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/475-myths-about-reactive-power-in-resonant-circuits (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/475-myths-about-reactive-power-in-resonant-circuits)

It interesting, he passes the output from the primary through a transformer, which is akin the secondary is doing of coarse, to convert VARs to Watts. He references this paper:

http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/772/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/772/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf)

Bolt: You might find the above interesting. I have several large 3 phase motors, around 20 HP. I also have one as a generator set (25 HP 3ph motor that drives a 15 KW gen that outputs at 120 Hz). What can I do with these? Would you consider posting a pdf of your circuit and setup info.

Thanks for posting these video clips, it is appreciated. Now when I watched the two video's my first thought was what was the difference in the input power between the two runs and what was the output on both runs if any.

These video's show nothing to prove anything.

Then I listened  ;), and the sound is different in the two clips, the second clip sounded like the prime mover was more loaded,
I'ma gunna say that the input was likely more during the second clip. And at no stage was the output more than the input and
that no matter how they convert VAR's to VA the result will be that they will convert accumulated oscillating power originally from
the supply into real power in a load but the total energy in compared to total energy out over a period of ie. 1 hour
will be unity, and when losses are factored in the arrangement will show well under unity.

If it was as easy as they make out then people would be doing it already for years.

No cheesburgers for the QEG'ers that is for certain. Ikea meatballs for them.  ;D

haha, How many horses have they flogged to death now ? Are they planning to wail on another one, or is that it all done but for
the payed consultations. with the Con-non-engineering Artist.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: picowatt on July 10, 2014, 08:00:21 AM
In the image below you see a system that has a high degree of reactive power circulating in the resonant "primary" on the left. It is much greater than the input power drawn as DC from the battery. This reactive power is "transformed" by the air-core transformer whose secondary is now powering a real resistive lightbulb load, on the right. This system is doing exactly the same thing electronically that the QEG device is doing electromechanically, and it's doing it a lot more quietly and a lot cheaper.

I can haz cheezburger now?

TK,

Nobody trusts you around cheese anymore...

PW
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 10, 2014, 10:41:22 AM
Someone ask Polarisz Tesla to compare apples to apples.
* Measure the voltage and current of the lamp bank placed in the Primary coil circuit.
* Measure the voltage and current of the lamp bank connected to this transformer.

As is, they are comparing a no load reactive condition to a loaded resistive condition.  Does not make any sense.  It would have and can still take the whole of 2 minutes to do this comparison.  Would be nice to have actually taken MEASUREMENTS to.  Seems like comparison was not even the goal.  More of an effort to give validation to one of the be-do pdf files as mentioned.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on July 10, 2014, 11:09:46 AM
Some reference pages for the Be-Do-er's about the "Magic" of resonance.

The Physics of Resonance
http://www.intuitor.com/resonance/circuits.html

Scholarly Articles on resonance.
http://scholar.google.com.au/scholar?q=oscillating+power+in+resonant+systems&hl=en&as_sdt=0&as_vis=1&oi=scholart&sa=X&ei=sFa-U5joCIrLkwXe-oC4BA&ved=0CBoQgQMwAA
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 11, 2014, 01:00:37 AM
Did somebody say "magic?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKRj-T4l-e8
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on July 11, 2014, 01:22:53 AM
Yes the true magic of resonance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sahani on July 11, 2014, 12:12:41 PM
can any one know about tesla free energy device and its working principle if yes disscuss it fully
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 11, 2014, 12:29:09 PM
@TinselKoala:
Hi,
Just a basic calculus to start with a parallel tank circuit: i=sqrt(-1) and ω=2*Pi*F
Zc=i/(C*ω) and Zl=i*L*ω, Zr=R so Zlr=R+i*L*ω
1/Z=1/Zc+1/Zlr
and with the help of MatLab
Z=R/(ω^2*(C^2*R^2 + 2*L*C) + C^2*L^2* ω ^4 + 1) + i *( ω *(C*R^2 + L) + C*L^2* ω ^3)/(C^2*L^2* ω ^4 + C^2* ω ^2*R^2 + 2*C*L* ω ^2 + 1)
This is the complex impedance of the tank, and can be use to calculate the voltages and currents
in the tank circuit when voltages and currents are sinusoidal. (With excel for example, I do
and it's in perfect accord with the simulation).
With L=160nH, C=60nF, R=0.25 ohm, F=793kHz: and ω=2*Pi*F you get:
  Z=0.162+i*0.654 |Z|=0.6735 Phase shift=76°

As V input=24Vrms=68Vpp   then I input= 35,6Arms !!! (yes 35.6)
and Power input=206W really....
Vc= 24rms           VL= 23.9Vrms       VR=21.1Vrms
Ic = 7.2Arms        IL = 29.8Arms       IR=28.7Arms
phase Shift=90°   phase shift=-90°    Phase=0
Power(C)=0W       Power(L)=0W        Power(R)=206W

So, with this near perfect circuit, we need 206W input to have 24 Vrms=68 Vpp on the entire
tank...
But how much current out of the battery?

2- Your DVM max input current  is = 10A and Vbat=12A, the max power the DVM can measure is 120W!
With an efficiency of 100%(as hypotheses), all the power goes to the tank output (C in // with
L+R). So 120W to the tank is 10Arms and 206W is 17.6Arms...

If the DVM is overload, it can continue to display bad information. Some of this low prices devices do not block the display, and you can read anything....
Did you test the DVM with this this LCRF values?
And can you let me know the R of the to 2 coils L1 and L2?

Do not hesitate to ask me any more information on this simulation.
See the simulation in attachement...
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on July 11, 2014, 04:02:18 PM



 MileHigh, you're right-absolute magic. At least after all this time something good
has come from this thread,
                  John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 12, 2014, 02:59:51 AM
Sigh....

Not to much exciting happening....  "The bench technician and the IP telephony guy and the teleported hippie girl that changed the world."

The Florida clips..... what can I say?   You should see what it's like when I try to play a guitar.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 12, 2014, 04:20:59 AM
@isim:

Thanks for running those numbers. I just checked the capacitors in the tank on the unit I measured: there are 10 ea. 0.0056 uF poly-film caps in parallel, so the total capacitance should be 56 nf instead of 60 nf (but also there will be tolerances). I can't actually measure the total without unsoldering stuff, though...

I have confirmed the Input Power DMM readings using the oscilloscope and a 1-ohm current viewing resistor. The DMM readings of input current and voltage are correct as shown on the meters!

Around  30-40 A rms in the tank is what I have always figured for this apparatus, and it looks like your calculations are coming close to that.

Below, you can see the R and L measurements of one of the L1, L2 chokes. These are Radio Shack brand 100 uH chokes. In other versions of this apparatus I have used choke values down to 60 uH without problems.


 :o
 :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on July 12, 2014, 09:25:33 AM
Here is a dodgy video showing a large tank activity with a tiny input. At about 2:45 in the video I scope the primary coil and show
150 volts point to point but it's not sinusoidal, primary coil is ten turns of 1 mm wire. Frequency about 840 kHz around about.

The input is in the order of 4 watts with all that tank activity. I would not call it reactive power, I call it oscillating power.

Video is from 2 years ago take it easy on me.  :-[ I still have the equipment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJd8TNC75AI

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 02:05:38 AM
This dates from June 19th from Dave's Not Here:

https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC

Quote
For the benefit of Evens' team in Canada... here's the update for the Sciencey types:
 
 Evens, our resident physicist, has proposed a brilliant solution for self running, so we have wound coils around the core, that is 99 turns around the secondary circuit and 18 turns around the primary to make use of something known as an Avector field (discovered by Gennady Markov) that is generated (for free) around the core as it resonates.
 
 We performed a test run and successfully converted 114V of reactive power down to 12V real power, enough to drive a small 12 Volt motor.
 
 We are now gearing up for a the first test where we attempt to convert 2000V down to 240V @ 3A enough to drive the motor that runs the QEG...
 
 Confidence is HIGH

What happened?!

They probably drove a small unloaded 12-volt motor.  Perhaps less than 0.5 watts?

0.5 watts to 720 watts!  Waiting for the great leap forwards!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjLXyqD3lvI
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 13, 2014, 02:28:16 AM
The Robitaille fraud clan have been having a big joke on their followers for some time. 

Volts are neither a measure of power nor energy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 13, 2014, 06:06:00 AM
Voice stress analysis, anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y)

It's NOT 60 Hertz, dammit! You need an inverter! Not 60 Hertz, it's 400 Hz! Inverter! Uh.... 400 Hertz, not 60, need INVERTER! Smatter wichoo anyhow why you ask me questions?!!?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 13, 2014, 06:16:56 AM
Let's imagine that I have a standard step-down transformer, a  pole pig kind of thing with 10k primary and 240V secondary. This transformer is originally designed to work at 50-60 Hz. What will happen if I feed it 10kV p-p at 400Hz instead of 50-60 Hz?

Anyone? Will the fact that the input is 400 Hz rather than 60 Hz make a whole heck of a lot of difference? Or will it simply be a little less efficient and heat up a little more, but still work as a normal transformer, only outputting 240 VAC at 400 Hz rather than 60 Hz? And can I not purchase a commercial off the shelf mo-gen power supply that will take the 400 Hz input and give me 60 Hz output? Anyone able to answer these questions?

Is anyone out there? Are you listening, James Robitaille?


It occurs to me that James cannot ever drop this project now. He has the proverbial tiger by the tail and will not be able to let go without it biting him in the ass. As group after group pauses their own work in frustration, they stare towards Pennsylvania and the barn... er, laboratory of James Robitaille, Engineering Artist Extraordinaire, who designed the first on-board vacuum cleaner system for soccer mom's SUVs... and hope and pray that he will meet HopeGirl's deadline (the third or fourth one) to make a self-runner by the end of July. The pressure is on, Jamie! You had best give up sleep and get to work. The World needs Fixing, and You The Man!!!

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 13, 2014, 06:31:20 AM
Just lies.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 13, 2014, 06:34:25 AM
Let's imagine that I have a standard step-down transformer, a  pole pig kind of thing with 10k primary and 240V secondary. This transformer is originally designed to work at 50-60 Hz. What will happen if I feed it 10kV p-p at 400Hz instead of 50-60 Hz?

Anyone? Will the fact that the input is 400 Hz rather than 60 Hz make a whole heck of a lot of difference? Or will it simply be a little less efficient and heat up a little more, but still work as a normal transformer, only outputting 240 VAC at 400 Hz rather than 60 Hz? And can I not purchase a commercial off the shelf mo-gen power supply that will take the 400 Hz input and give me 60 Hz output? Anyone able to answer these questions?

Is anyone out there? Are you listening, James Robitaille?


It occurs to me that James cannot ever drop this project now. He has the proverbial tiger by the tail and will not be able to let go without it biting him in the ass. As group after group pauses their own work in frustration, they stare towards Pennsylvania and the barn... er, laboratory of James Robitaille, Engineering Artist Extraordinaire, who designed the first on-board vacuum cleaner system for soccer mom's SUVs... and hope and pray that he will meet HopeGirl's deadline (the third or fourth one) to make a self-runner by the end of July. The pressure is on, Jamie! You had best give up sleep and get to work. The World needs Fixing, and You The Man!!!
Copper losses will be higher due to skin effect, and iron losses should be lower due to less flux swing.  The roving grifters  Robitaille have no out.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 13, 2014, 06:53:58 AM
Voice stress analysis, anyone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y)

It's NOT 60 Hertz, dammit! You need an inverter! Not 60 Hertz, it's 400 Hz! Inverter! Uh.... 400 Hertz, not 60, need INVERTER! Smatter wichoo anyhow why you ask me questions?!!?

James said in the video"Its really an amazing thing".  Everyone can draw their own conclusions.  I for one read that as existing.  I don't call a car amazing if I first have not driven it.  Conceptually, the qeg must have been putting out 10x the input why else would it be amazing.  But of course it is now in R&D mode with the hopes of self looping.  A complete contradiction to "its really an amazing thing".

Back to the chick or the egg conundrum.  Which came first?  The amazing or the thing?

As for this need of an inverter to self loop madness.  If you want to be cruel and crush the qeg world view of the be-do member just tell them this.
Full wave bridge rectify whatever Hz into DC and run it to a DC motor controller.  Watch as they burst into smoke and steam as they scream WHAT A WORLD WHAT A WORLD!!.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 06:57:07 AM
I did a bit more surfing around.  FTW and Naima Feagin have definitely not won the "Info Warz" online battle.  There is a significant amount of questioning about what is really going on in many places.  The themes mentioned here are independently being echoed elsewhere.  Even on Be-Do there is a whiff of dissent in the air.

The pressure is indeed on, and Jamie will not make it by the end of July.  There will be no "entry" of "quantum energy" into that hunk of metal and wire.  The fact that they have made what amounts to a 180-degree about face in the way they have pitched this project, from "100% working, just build it" to "this is an R&D project and we need the 'QEG pods' to help us get the thing to actually work" is infuriating, especially to those that dropped thousands of dollars into this project.

Did Jamie design motors as an electrical engineer or did he build production test jigs and do other assigned engineering technician tasks?  One can read the paper trail and so far it seems to point to the latter and not the former.  Likewise, so far there does not seem to be a single replicator out there that really knows what they are doing on a bench.

If you added up the number of mendacities, falsehoods, and lies coming from Fix the World and associates over the past 18 months it would be a mighty long list.................................................................in my opinion.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 13, 2014, 08:58:51 AM
"It's 400 Hz". You hear him say that a number of times in the PESN interview segment above with his own voice coming out of his mouth. As if it were true!


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 13, 2014, 11:09:07 AM
Where do people find the time, I wonder.

James tells us in that interview that they first achieved resonance in the power band in February, "toward the end of February". Right? And the interview was uploaded to YT on the 4th of April. So that is what, six or seven weeks? And in that seven weeks, James ran the QEG in the resonance mode for 150 hours. Surely he took Sundays off. So in 7x6=42 days, they ran 150 hours. That's about 3 1/2 hours per day, six days a week for seven weeks straight. Running in resonance mode an hour and a half at a time, powering a load, being reconfigured to try various things. OK, I suppose you can set up in the morning, do an hour and a half of actual running, take lunch, do it again in the afternoon and accumulate 3 1/2 hours of run time in a day. It's a rough schedule but it does seem possible. Barely. Maybe he didn't take Sundays off and had no apparatus down time at all during the seven weeks.

Has anyone ever seen any of the present set of builds, running in resonance, for an hour and a half at a time? Twice a day? Six days a week? Before being professionally balanced?

 ???
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 02:42:47 PM
As far as I am concerned Jamie is just as bad as Naima.  There is simply no wiggle room for him to claim he was a dupe.  The whole thing is rotten to the core.  I really hope that there are real consequences.

This story about it allegedly running for 150 hours on an off is a blatant lie as far as I am concerned.  It's always the same Bizarro story on the same Bizarro channel:

"Man runs world-changing free energy machine in his workshop for two months but makes no video and records no data."   MY ASS!  We live in a world where everybody has a video camera in their pocket.  The story is pure BS.  Jamie is now at home base and back in the barn where the allegedly working device is located.  Well?  Put up or forever bow your head in shame.

I have already read some statements that we are now in the "tuning" phase.  Our good old friend "tuning."  That's the junk fantasy that they can twiddle dials and hop on one foot and eventually they will find the right combination of dial twiddling and foot hopping to reach over unity.

It's not going to happen.  The idea that the grossly under unity QEG is just going to suddenly "pop" and over unity will magically manifest itself, like finding a needle in an under unity haystack, is junk.

It's time for everybody in QEG land that is still banging a gong and trying to get it on to wake up.

And for all of the QEG replicators out there:  SOMEBODY START PRODUCING DECENT AND CREDIBLE TEST DATA, even if it is "bad" test data that shows under unity.  If you don't have the electronics knowledge and bench experience then ASK SOMEBODY TO HELP YOU.

And that especially includes YOU, JAMIE.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 13, 2014, 05:24:27 PM
There is some interesting discussion on a German forum, and I will post the link and the Google translation:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.qeg-forum.de/&sandbox=0&usg=ALkJrhgoQvOBvZ7cU2yp7HTiszHsM1d-2A

From PhysikFan today:

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

My opinion: The QEG has no capacity to produce over unity, and also can not obtain such.  Why?

  Technical.
  As often discussed, it is a simple generator with not even a high efficiency.  Not a single effect until now shows even begin to overunity.  All measured values ​​far to the contrary.  All effects can be explained in electrical engineering and simulate with known formulas.  No room for Over Unity - where do they come from?

  Explanatory reasons.
  You have only given a patent by Tesla, then another.  In none of these patents, it goes even begin to overunity.  It has used the name Tesla only for advertising purposes.  You can not explain where Overunity is to come.  Enter "from the quantum field" to.  The term alone is meaningless.  There is neither the quantum as the quantum field.  It lacks, to what this refers.  Is like "This tastes because it was grown in a field."  Corn field?  Kornfeld?   field?  Turnip field?  Vegetable field?

  Sociological reasons.
  FTW have lied repeatedly.  You have Overunity announced without having them.  They said their prototype in the home show overunity, but the can not show.  You have spoken of world-class engineers, and then showed that they do not even know how to measure power in an AC circuit.  The statements on this became more violent and credible way to claim that James Robitaille is moving and how was the incarnation of Tesla.  They have promised several times to have Over Unity and Self Running in a given period and then had not.  They have their equipment too expensive given than it is.

  Witts reasons.
  Almost no one deals with it, what is Witts ("World Improvement Through The Spirit").  This is a typical religious faith sect that wants to perform miracles their proof of legitimacy.  It will be announced technical miracles that lead to paradise and to wealth.  What we really see is a spider Riger man in a cluttered den.  No evidence, only videos such as this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rc9ORlXQVI0 (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sandbox=0&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Drc9ORlXQVI0&usg=ALkJrhhg8DUnKtNuXPGHqt4XX1iUenVJYw) in which Thrapp cites what he has done everything: cars running with water and air.  Mechanical generators that once triggered run continuously (ie perpetuum mobile).  Antigravity machines.  Flying Saucers.  Machine which converts harmful CO2 and methane from the atmosphere in other elements.  Water desalination units, gain any amount of fresh water from the ocean.  Growth factories where fresh food is produced in masses.  Transmutation of elements.  What is missing is that he can make it rain manna and goes over the water.  Oh no, something he can not: he is also a healer, cancer, Alzheimer's, arthritis, and can heal anything else: http://www.witts.ws/jesus-heals-all-cancers-and-all-diseases / (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sandbox=0&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.witts.ws/jesus-heals-all-cancers-and-all-diseases/&usg=ALkJrhiohqKlcr4z_x4uRTHXa55cs2fUcw) .  Ice T - uh - Sir T wants only one thing "improven": his wallet.

  Other reasons
  In Minotech to Morocco QEG: "It provides no overunity, but proves that the QEG should be further researched and produced energy." - My Bicycle Dynamo also provides no overunity, but proves that the bicycle dynamo produces energy.  Should he be therefore further explored?  Or so loud arguments, which are increasingly abstruse, just because you do not want to admit it to be the victim of an enormous fake and charlatans.

  Greeting, physics fan
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 14, 2014, 01:27:34 AM
The very claim that the thing "runs" at all is a lie, really. It is _driven_ by a running motor. The "150 hours run time" is actually ZERO HOURS RUN TIME because the QEG was not ever "running".... it was BEING DRIVEN.

Sorry to shout but it seems that the QEGers are rather hard of hearing, and half-blind too.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 14, 2014, 03:44:45 AM
It will be interesting to see Naima's pitch when the month of July times out!

I think that there is that term..... "Moving the goalposts."   But presumably there is nowhere to go.  Can Jamie hit the side of a barn?  I say no.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 14, 2014, 01:29:46 PM
From Cobra Ground Crew Japan

Meeting of 13 July 2014
Dear Sisters and Brothers,

We met today and we, as a group, Decided to stop the QEG progect.

We ask all the people who donated, to send us Their personal details and phone number so did we will proceed in sending back the money.

see:
https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=fr&rurl=translate.google.fr&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-17
@+

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 14, 2014, 11:21:38 PM
From Cobra Ground Crew Japan

Meeting of 13 July 2014
Dear Sisters and Brothers,

We met today and we, as a group, Decided to stop the QEG progect.

We ask all the people who donated, to send us Their personal details and phone number so did we will proceed in sending back the money.

see:
https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=fr&rurl=translate.google.fr&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-17 (https://translate.google.com/translate?depth=1&hl=fr&rurl=translate.google.fr&sl=de&tl=en&u=http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-17)
@+

Very Nice! People are starting to wake up. I can't wait to hear what HopeGirl has to say about that on her blog. Will she ever return any of the money she has acquired by her false claims and promises?

Meanwhile, the process continues. I just noticed that the QEGers think that a random-electrode 1.5 cm gap takes 50-100 kV to break down. Sigh. You would think that someone among them would have a Rubber Bible handy, or even access to WikiPedia. A poor understanding of High Voltage phenomena, techniques and procedures will wind up biting them in the end. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kJymanpqyQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kJymanpqyQ)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 15, 2014, 01:08:36 AM
Very positive sign!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 15, 2014, 02:57:59 AM
Wow, just wait until those 5,000 Chinese engineers figure out it is bogus.  The crap will really hit the fan then.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 15, 2014, 04:57:29 AM
Very Nice! People are starting to wake up. I can't wait to hear what HopeGirl has to say about that on her blog. Will she ever return any of the money she has acquired by her false claims and promises?

Meanwhile, the process continues. I just noticed that the QEGers think that a random-electrode 1.5 cm gap takes 50-100 kV to break down. Sigh. You would think that someone among them would have a Rubber Bible handy, or even access to WikiPedia. A poor understanding of High Voltage phenomena, techniques and procedures will wind up biting them in the end. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kJymanpqyQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kJymanpqyQ)

Regardless of the voltage at the spark gap, do they think this is special to get a loud spark?  I own 2 stunners in the million volt rage so the label says.  Easily they put out 500kV open circuit from the internal batteries.  These stunners must be saving the world!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 15, 2014, 04:58:59 AM
Wow, just wait until those 5,000 Chinese engineers figure out it is bogus.  The crap will really hit the fan then.

Bill

This is China we are talking about.  Bogus is the gross domestic product.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 15, 2014, 05:10:28 AM
So we see clearly that a real spark gap breakdown of 15-40 kV becomes "50-100 kV" in the QEG official reports.
We have seen that their measured Peak-to-Peak Overunity in VARs (tm QEG) reduces by a factor of at least 8 to become the actual power output of the QEG units.
We have seen that the "150 hours run time" was no such thing: it never "ran" at all, it was always driven by a big honking motor, and the "150 hours" was in chunks of perhaps 1.5 hours each, performed between "toward the end of February" and the first of April. Right.
We have heard James admit that they never did thorough output testing before release.
We have seen the alterations in design, the disappearance of the "plans", the references to Tesla that actually have nothing to do with the QEG design or construction or operation.

Now I've just reviewed the "morocco OU demonstration" here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm1l9IZYFI8
and I'm specifically looking at all the scopeshots to see what the frequency of Holy Resonance is. We have been told it is 400 Hz, right? 400 Hz, over and over. So where are the screens that show a 400 Hz oscillation at resonance? Nowhere that I can find. Every scope screen that I can make out shows resonant oscillations between about 70 Hz and about 120 Hz. Did I miss something?

Can anyone show me a QEG scopeshot at resonance that shows a 400 Hz signal? Anyone, anywhere real, not from a simulation?

I am losing sleep over this. What if you really _need_ 400 Hz for the Magic Quantum Field to open up and couple into the QEG? It's hopeless unless you can actually produce the resonance at 400 Hz. Without tearing the apparatus apart from vibration, I mean.

And maybe my herd of invisible unicorns is hungry, too.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 15, 2014, 05:18:56 AM
Regardless of the voltage at the spark gap, do they think this is special to get a loud spark?  I own 2 stunners in the million volt rage so the label says.  Easily they put out 500kV open circuit from the internal batteries.  These stunners must be saving the world!!!

Who knows what they think? I have never seen such lax HV safety anywhere. Usually people who are that sloppy with wiring layout never manage actually to get to the really high voltages, so they survive. Will James and his crew survive?  There may only be four Joules stored in the tank, being released in the discharge all at once. But that's still enough to make you twitch into something and bust your head open, if not exactly enough to kill you. Although it only takes 10 Joules across the chest to do the job if it's applied right.


For your amusement: The circuit used here is a very slight variation on the circuit whose "OU in VARs" measurements I posted earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KGvwn_T8Ww
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: BeDoCuckoo on July 16, 2014, 05:30:09 AM
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Here is a video of Orlando’s QEG converting VAR’s into Real Power, by using a transformer as in Herm’s paper.

I misstated in the video 50 degrees out of phase it was actually 90 degrees out of phase until I added the transformer.

Please forgive the poor quality of these videos and having to be in 2 parts.

http://i-uv.com/latest-test-from-orlando-qeg-quantum-energy-generator/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 16, 2014, 04:45:14 PM
New massage from Hopelessgirl. You guys are going to love this, especially the unlearning bit:

https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/07/16/transparent-assessment-of-challenges-faced-during-ftw-qeg-3-month-global-build-tour-plus-target-date-for-phase-3-self-running-completion/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/07/16/transparent-assessment-of-challenges-faced-during-ftw-qeg-3-month-global-build-tour-plus-target-date-for-phase-3-self-running-completion/)

I think we are seeing the QEG fade to black here
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 16, 2014, 07:04:35 PM
What an amazing screed!

"It's not our fault! It's not our fault! It's not our fault!" over and over.

Had to leave the UK, just hours away from self-running! And none of the people left behind in the UK are competent to proceed on their own without James, to finish up the "just hours" to get it self-running.  Shorted what, three cores now, due to the lack of HV experience and planning. But it's not our fault!

And we never said it was a done deal, just build out our published plans and run your house... no we never said that, it has _always been made clear_ that this is a prototype in development...

What a liar she is!

She fails to mention the Japan QEG bailout and still has "Japan" listed in her country list.

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Once all the required research was done and the components finally arrived (in January), he began assembly, went through testing, trial and error, and reached resonance within 5 weeks (February 2014). For the preceding 4 months, James had been in conference with Taiwan, who supported development and wanted to build QEGs in their country. It was clearly communicated and understood that this was a prototype in development, it was not delivery of a finished product.

No, HopeGirl, that's not true at all. It was CLEARLY COMMUNICATED that all anyone had to do was to build it according to the plans, then it would run itself and you could run your house from it. That is how you got all the interest drummed up in September 2013, TEN MONTHS AGO, when you said that a self-running prototype would be completed in 5 weeks once you got the money, and you got over TWICE what you asked for. You would not have gotten anywhere near that much if you hadn't lied about there already being self-running devices of this type already built.

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Please note: The video you have just seen is a short compilation of existing inventions to demonstrate that people have already built these types of machines and they do indeed work! Our prototype is not yet built and that is the reason for this campaign. Once we have a working model we have an investor who will fund the mass manufacturing of the Quantum Energy Generator. We are asking for $7610.00 (see budget below) to build the prototype which will take 5 weeks. ---------------------------------The potential for these systems to alleviate some of the desperation and human suffering in poor countries is immense! For example, the systems can be used to power electric water pumps anywhere that drilling equipment can be brought in to drill water wells for communities with no access to clean water. Electric light (and even satellite internet access) can be provided where people live in darkness and isolation due to lack of access to any source of power, and lack of any means to pay, even if power were available. Governments…or even private benefactors could provide the equipment, basically one-time, and serve the community for 20-25 years on a single outlay for the equipment purchase. One of the goals of distributing these systems through the Fix-The-World organization is that we want to give away two machines for each 10 machines that we sell at full price.
From the IndieGoGo fund raiser TEN MONTHS ago. Note the use of the PRESENT TENSE.

HEY QEGers... I have the solution. I have here a BLACK BOX TKTransverter that I absolutely GUARANTEE will match up an overunity electrical output with the input. If you have ANY electrical OU system that produces more than 1.3 times the input power, my TKTransverter will do the job for you and make it self-looped, self-running. I'll be glad to come to your location with my Black Box to demonstrate. Contact me here by PM to arrange compensation, airfare and expenses. It will cost you a lot less than you have spent on the HopeGirl fantasy vacation. And it's guaranteed! If your device actually produces OU and my box can't make it self-loop, then you can have all your money back.




(On the other hand, if your device does NOT ACTUALLY produce any OU... then you will not be getting any money back, because you will have wasted my time as well as your own.)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on July 16, 2014, 07:09:15 PM
Note that Amsterdam is now considered a country...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: xybob on July 16, 2014, 07:26:08 PM
"Bulgary"  ??? ... lol!
Yeah, I wanna go live there...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 16, 2014, 07:26:15 PM
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Note: Due to a bad signal, we had working internet in Morocco only 3-5% of the time that we were there (which was up to 6 weeks). During this time, the free energy community of believers and non-believers were asking for data and proof of concept. To meet this demand from the public, James stayed on in Morocco and waited for someone from the UK to fly in with £50,000 in equipment necessary to produce the numbers everyone wanted to see. It took him 5 days to tune properly to produce the numbers and create this video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJkNruMM6tE). James’ dedication to The People who funded this project motivated him to spend the extra 5 days producing the proof of concept everyone wanted to see. After making the video, the free energy community began a debate over what was considered “usable power vs. raw power” and also debated what the true definition of overunity is. This initiated an additional delay; James spent another 4 days documenting overnunity to provide the numbers people were demanding, and created this video  (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jhd0Ebygriw)and report (https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-may-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v1-0.doc).
(sic)

More lies!
As I have shown several times, ALL the equipment and more, used to "produce the numbers everyone wanted to see" can be obtained for under 16,000 dollars. The false claims made by HopeGirl of "75 thousand dollars" and now "50 thousand pound" worth of equipment are simply lies, or ignorant babble from someone who is trying to give an impression that is not congruent with reality. Duh.

Dedication to the People.... huh. Why didn't this "Dedicated" researcher do what he said in the IndieGoGo campaign: build a WORKING prototype at home where all your resources are, then get your Big Daddy funder to fully fund the rest of the project? Huh? Why didn't you do that, back in September of 2013?

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As previously mentioned - the technology is known, but here is where our plan differs from all the others, and why we believe it will be successful where others have failed:
- We have an investor who will fund large-scale manufacturing of the QEG - once we have a working prototype - guaranteed! The QEG is the cornerstone of our offering, along with research and development into offshoot products, such as generators without moving parts, and continuous improvement and refinement of existing designs.
This is what people believed would happen, when they donated back in September.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on July 16, 2014, 07:49:33 PM
I think its only a matter of time before 'the family' starts arguing loudly and locking doors. Will Hopegirl and James escape unscathed? Keep tuned-in folks.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 16, 2014, 08:09:57 PM
This whole affair shows what folly people are subject to.

I can't even imagine starting out on a project like this one, involving building large heavy rotating electrical assemblies expected to produce high voltage at a resonant frequency... without already having the appropriate test equipment and the knowledge to use it properly! Yet apparently people all over the world are doing that very thing, since the measurement kit has to be borrowed, flown in on an emergency basis... etc.  How does anyone really hope to be able to complete a QEG, tuning and self-running, without "50 thousand pounds" in test kit?  Don't worry, you can always have James sell you some of his knowledge at 300 dollars an hour. Be sure to ask him, though... why he hasn't applied all that knowledge to his own prototype to make it run itself.


I'd like to know the count of the failed cores. Three, or more? Somewhere I thought I had seen that the original Pennsylvania Prototype also shorted its core and needed rebuilding. Did the UK fully-potted core fail also, or was it another one?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 16, 2014, 08:50:25 PM
The bottom line:

The concept is borrowed from the liar Timothy Thrapp and his phony WITTS operation.
The machine didn't work when they said it did.
The machine does not work now.
They have been caught in one lie after another.
If they attempt another Indiegogo campaign or similar, their current statements that contradict earlier campaign claims can be used to boot them for TOS violations.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 16, 2014, 09:04:41 PM
I have a few questions. I'll put them in separate posts since they concern photos.

In the Morocco Overunity Video of May 17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJkNruMM6tE
this device appears. The camera person does not want to show what it is. It has the "AEC" logo on it, they make inverters and UPS power supplies, but I can't find this particular unit on their website. Can anyone help identify it?

http://aecprova.weebly.com/


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 16, 2014, 09:12:00 PM
Next, from the Spark Event video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7Vy3g7BAdI

... where is the spark gap? Just what is sparking? I think it is the capacitor bank itself, because I don't see any formal spark gap (like the two spark plugs in the Taiwan build).
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 16, 2014, 09:14:02 PM
And last, is the core in the Spark Event image above, the same potted core as this one below which is definitely potted? Or is it an unpotted core? I can't quite tell from the images.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: xybob on July 16, 2014, 09:19:53 PM
inverter:
'http://www.allis.com.tw/style/frame/templates8/product_detail.asp?lang=2&customer_id=2064&name_id=82215&content_set=color_7&rid=59375&id=346654'

product line: Tough Series
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on July 16, 2014, 09:37:53 PM
 
Jeff  Armitage asks; "what will the big power companies think of this machine?"
I think they'll love it, the more of them the better, Q.E.G.'s are hungry for
power. James could end up as toast!
                           John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 16, 2014, 10:45:44 PM
Hopegirl put up another long long long winded post at her wordpress page.  I can tell is full of B.S by a quick blink look at it. 
Will return after I wade through its muck.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 16, 2014, 10:46:54 PM
Here is a video of Orlando’s QEG converting VAR’s into Real Power, by using a transformer as in Herm’s paper.

I misstated in the video 50 degrees out of phase it was actually 90 degrees out of phase until I added the transformer.

Please forgive the poor quality of these videos and having to be in 2 parts.

http://i-uv.com/latest-test-from-orlando-qeg-quantum-energy-generator/

We know.  About a full page of analyzing of that post in this thread.  Sans (-) karma, warnings, and bans to boot, unlike some other places.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 16, 2014, 10:57:17 PM
This whole affair shows what folly people are subject to.

I can't even imagine starting out on a project like this one, involving building large heavy rotating electrical assemblies expected to produce high voltage at a resonant frequency... without already having the appropriate test equipment and the knowledge to use it properly! Yet apparently people all over the world are doing that very thing, since the measurement kit has to be borrowed, flown in on an emergency basis... etc.  How does anyone really hope to be able to complete a QEG, tuning and self-running, without "50 thousand pounds" in test kit?  Don't worry, you can always have James sell you some of his knowledge at 300 dollars an hour. Be sure to ask him, though... why he hasn't applied all that knowledge to his own prototype to make it run itself.


I'd like to know the count of the failed cores. Three, or more? Somewhere I thought I had seen that the original Pennsylvania Prototype also shorted its core and needed rebuilding. Did the UK fully-potted core fail also, or was it another one?

Perhaps if the qeg did not use the degree of high voltage capacitors it could avoid the high voltage arcing and damage.  Use lower voltage higher farads and adjust the windings accordingly.  You know doing what is called designing and engineering.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 16, 2014, 11:47:40 PM
Perhaps if the qeg did not use the degree of high voltage capacitors it could avoid the high voltage arcing and damage.  Use lower voltage higher farads and adjust the windings accordingly.  You know doing what is called designing and engineering.
The problem is that they have built a machine that rather uselessly stores energy in a relatively high Q tank circuit and the means of limiting the energy is voltage breakdown.  They have demonstrated multiple times that the breakdown can be the primary insulation in the core causing permanent damage, or preferentially a spark gap.  In both cases, they store and then discard energy.  It makes a light show.  It does not generate free energy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 17, 2014, 12:17:07 AM
Finally finished reading her B.S. at http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/07/16/transparent-assessment-of-challenges-faced-during-ftw-qeg-3-month-global-build-tour-plus-target-date-for-phase-3-self-running-completion/comment-page-1/#comment-6772

Most of it is a repeat of her prior post.  Some high lights for those who have a mind to question:

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It took three weeks to prepare the space for the UK build and order all the parts. This included building a workshop from scratch, ordering a core and having it shipped from the US, and carefully ordering all the other parts.
Could it be the construction and erection of 11 (eleven) gongs and overhead drapes that caused the delay in preparing?

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One of the engineers at the UK build was invited because he was going to bring the transverter. He came with something else that he thought would do the same thing: a Marcov coil.
You mean to tell me the communication between your people is that bad?  Could not confirm who was to bring what?  And why not bring both items?  Repeat, why not bring both items?  I cannot believe that.  This is equivalent to bringing a Dentist to a heart transplant.  And for you be-do folks, do you understand that no coil was brought over?  This implemented Marcov coil is an assembled coil, wrapped around the qeg.  If anything arrived it may have been a SPOOL of WIRE which surely already existed in the makeshift lab of parts donated by the biggest systems development companies in the world (add on going delusions of grandeur) http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/.  Technically this Engineer did not hold their end of the bargain.  I find it amazing how the very purpose of UK build was to use a transverter but said transverter was not used and was not present.  Next time you turn on a fan to cool off, put a heater in front of the air flow.  Do you feel my amazement?

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Assembly commenced on the 4th day (assembly takes 3-4 days to complete) but on the fifth day we had special guests come to the build to conduct an unexpected spiritual business exercise. This took up the entire day.
A.k.a. a smoke out.

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On his last day, James worked late into the night on tuning the exciter coil. He was literally hours away from self-running when he had to leave the UK. Again, he could not finish phase 3 because we ran out of time.
If James was once HOURS away from self running, then James should then be SECONDS away by now in Pennsylvania.  A week has passed.  Where is the self running?  And while we are on this topic and James is in the states why not take this approach.  Use one of the many free live stream web services to film, demo, and teach not just free energy enthusiast in the states but all over the world?  This would not cost $20,000.  Second input, invite over said enthusiast locally to personally view, assist, and improve on the design.  This would not cost $4,000 in plane tickets.

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Data results in U.K.
Wait, such a thing was not provided in the wordpress update.  Shucks.


I do not blame the qeg team for lies.  I blame the donators.  Time after time they are feed a spoon of b.s. and they swallow it smiling followed by the usual "Thank!! You!!".  I wonder what will fill the spoon to feed the mouths of the donators come August 2014.  Hopegirl again promises self running end of July.  I promise you another long long long winded write up from her end of July.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 12:27:32 AM
And on the seventh day....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVEhDrJzM8E

Queege-a-Go-Go!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XspsJACj8WY
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 12:54:41 AM
Some additional colour commentary!

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James is a non-degreed engineer, meaning, he does not have the same conditioning that the traditional academic system imposes on the entire energy industry.

Doh!  That's why he didn't understand the primary tank waveform!  Take his hourly consulting fee and divide by 20.  In 1998 it took him three weeks to resolder the connections on 2000 defective shaded pole motors.  They had to keep the line running and it didn't make sense to send them back to China. (okay that last part was pure invention)

The only 'conditioning' going in is in Brave b'Do World.  Antiestablishmentarianism gone haywire!

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When they returned with the rewound core, it was discovered that the winding company wound one of the coils in the wrong direction.

Gasp!  This outdoes the Titanic JL Naudin gaffe from 2010 that surfaced on another thread recently.

(For the Be-Doers reading this thread with a creeping anxiety:  There is no such thing as "winding a coil in the wrong direction."  If you wired your coil clockwise but you wanted counter-clockwise all that you have to do is swap the two connections for the coil.)

Presumably Naima Feagin is being supplied with the technical content for her posting.  So what does that say about James and FTW if someone told Naima that the coil was wound in the wrong direction?

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 17, 2014, 02:39:07 AM
MH:

Or, could you simply invert the coil?  I have done that on JT circuits just to keep everything clockwise so as to not add any additional variables when testing.  I guess this never came up at Shop-Vac?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 17, 2014, 03:06:03 AM
If the coil is wound on a toroidal core it's hard to physically invert it. But any JTer knows the trick. Mile High has it right: swapping ends (meaning swapping polarities) of the coil is equivalent to reversing the winding direction. Most of the time. And I'm sure that the QEG would have produced exactly as much energy had they simply swapped coil ends and carried on.
Potting the coil in epoxy was a much much bigger mistake.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 17, 2014, 03:20:26 AM
I did it again!  Got another one through:
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/07/16/transparent-assessment-of-challenges-faced-during-ftw-qeg-3-month-global-build-tour-plus-target-date-for-phase-3-self-running-completion/

Self Quote:
So much love has been spread thanks to QEG.
Corporations are now on the run in fear.
At last we are free.
Monumental change around the corner.
Energy is ours is everyone’s.
Remember you get out what you put in.


Notice anything  ;D  Could not muster enough phoney baloney for 2 M's.
Notice the last line.  Hint Hint.  Hopegirl is slipping.  Still waiting for the report version 3 pdf.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 17, 2014, 04:50:07 AM
She loves using temptation!  Behold, it takes consciousness home!

When we all unite in the new consciousness of the dawn of QEG era, then we will all have come home to the warm hearth of a new age of human understanding!  There will be a new temptation bringing the world together in peace, love, and harmony.  No more temptation for wars and money, it will be the temptation of the One Whole.

Ommmmmmmmmm......... OooooOooOooommmmmmmmmmmm......
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 17, 2014, 05:26:19 AM
The List cracks me up. Japan is listed, but has officially dropped out, given up and is trying to return donations.
Amsterdam is listed, and so is "Netherlands".
Three for one, OU in countries, that's not too shabby, is it. I'm surprised she didn't list UK, Britain and London along with England.
Bulgary. Is that any where near Buggery?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 17, 2014, 05:50:01 AM
If the coil is wound on a toroidal core it's hard to physically invert it. But any JTer knows the trick. Mile High has it right: swapping ends (meaning swapping polarities) of the coil is equivalent to reversing the winding direction. Most of the time. And I'm sure that the QEG would have produced exactly as much energy had they simply swapped coil ends and carried on.
Potting the coil in epoxy was a much much bigger mistake.
The one exception is with respect to the voltage gradient.  But these bozos make it pretty clear that they have no understanding of H.V. or proper practices when dealing with it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 17, 2014, 06:32:06 AM
I'm actually surprised there haven't been injuries. In the videos I see James poking around with his fingers into that capacitor stack and other parts of the circuit. I realize that the coil itself should keep the caps drained when the apparatus isn't in use... if all the wires are connected properly. Right. Still... I grit my teeth at every video demonstration. The device isn't OU of course but when it's operating "at resonance" it will be capable of delivering a hell of a jolt if someone touches it in the wrong place at the right time. It could conceivably deliver a fatal shock under ideal circumstances, but even non-ideally it will toss you back on your haunches, for sure.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 17, 2014, 07:00:10 AM
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 17, 2014, 04:05:00 PM
Over at be-do there have been ZERO comments on Hopeless Girls full disclosure report: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team)

The Orlando team has not made a single post update for 5 days. I think they have discovered that the whole this is a crock. This will hit them hard financially as I believe they bought 3 cores.

TK: The UK team I think had two cores, one of them they blew up, but it's likely they did both of them in. That's why the work can not continue. 
 
For those following BlackLight Power, they are doing a continuous operating power demo on July21st. I do not know if they will have  the new concentrated PVs connected, but they believe they can produce between 1 - 10 MW operating off a potato with two electrodes plugged into it. Much better than the QEG for sure.

This is an interesting read if you believe hydrogen atoms can go below the ground state: http://www.scribd.com/doc/11443894/Lattice-Nested-Hydreno (http://www.scribd.com/doc/11443894/Lattice-Nested-Hydreno)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 17, 2014, 11:01:49 PM
@TinselKoala
I got a problem, so i will send this post tomorrow!
excuse- me
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on July 17, 2014, 11:26:23 PM
Over at be-do there have been ZERO comments on Hopeless Girls full disclosure report: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team)

The Orlando team has not made a single post update for 5 days. I think they have discovered that the whole this is a crock. This will hit them hard financially as I believe they bought 3 cores.

TK: The UK team I think had two cores, one of them they blew up, but it's likely they did both of them in. That's why the work can not continue. 
 
For those following BlackLight Power, they are doing a continuous operating power demo on July21st. I do not know if they will have  the new concentrated PVs connected, but they believe they can produce between 1 - 10 MW operating off a potato with two electrodes plugged into it. Much better than the QEG for sure.

This is an interesting read if you believe hydrogen atoms can go below the ground state: http://www.scribd.com/doc/11443894/Lattice-Nested-Hydreno (http://www.scribd.com/doc/11443894/Lattice-Nested-Hydreno)

All those who have been conned by the FTW group through (go-fund-me) or (kick starter) should begin their complaints and
begin seeking compensation through those crowd funding organisations. Just like the guy who provides the venue for dog fights
and gambling, they provided the venue for the (vehicle) for the fraud to be perpetrated and so they share the responsibility.
Being that they are a legit company they have a solid base to go after. Then they should take action against the FTW group in
order to force them to refund the money solicited by fraud. Regardless of the records kept by the FTW group, the crowd funding
organisations should have the donation records ect. as well the donators should have receipts either electronic or paper.

There is no two ways about it they solicited funds by fraudulent means for profit, with full knowledge of such and all funds ought
to be refunded and the people responsible that are culpable should be prosecuted by the crowd funding organisations in order to
save some credibility, they would not need any high priced lawyers to get the job done.

People ought ot be able to take legal action to recoup costs involved for the cores and other costs as well. Although I would
concentrate on getting back all the donations as a baseline. And work from there.

If the conned donators do nothing they not only fail themselves and allow crooks to go free, but they also leave open the door for the same people to do it all again in another iteration.

Get together and pressure the crowd funding sites and threaten them with indirect involvement and therefore open to legal
action as well.

All the scammers, BS book sellers and liars should fear the same thing.

..



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 17, 2014, 11:46:21 PM
Over at be-do there have been ZERO comments on Hopeless Girls full disclosure report: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team)

The Orlando team has not made a single post update for 5 days. I think they have discovered that the whole this is a crock. This will hit them hard financially as I believe they bought 3 cores.

TK: The UK team I think had two cores, one of them they blew up, but it's likely they did both of them in. That's why the work can not continue. 
 
For those following BlackLight Power, they are doing a continuous operating power demo on July21st. I do not know if they will have  the new concentrated PVs connected, but they believe they can produce between 1 - 10 MW operating off a potato with two electrodes plugged into it. Much better than the QEG for sure.

This is an interesting read if you believe hydrogen atoms can go below the ground state: http://www.scribd.com/doc/11443894/Lattice-Nested-Hydreno (http://www.scribd.com/doc/11443894/Lattice-Nested-Hydreno)
Sterling Allan recently interviewed Randell Mills for about an hour.  After listening, my opinion of Mills could not be lower.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxheTNCDqQk  He offers lots and lots of BS far beyond the hydrino fantasy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 18, 2014, 01:13:25 AM
Over at be-do there have been ZERO comments on Hopeless Girls full disclosure report: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team)

The Orlando team has not made a single post update for 5 days. I think they have discovered that the whole this is a crock. This will hit them hard financially as I believe they bought 3 cores.

TK: The UK team I think had two cores, one of them they blew up, but it's likely they did both of them in. That's why the work can not continue. 
 
For those following BlackLight Power, they are doing a continuous operating power demo on July21st. I do not know if they will have  the new concentrated PVs connected, but they believe they can produce between 1 - 10 MW operating off a potato with two electrodes plugged into it. Much better than the QEG for sure.

This is an interesting read if you believe hydrogen atoms can go below the ground state: http://www.scribd.com/doc/11443894/Lattice-Nested-Hydreno (http://www.scribd.com/doc/11443894/Lattice-Nested-Hydreno)

Heh... I checked and found that on May 7, the Orlando team announced:

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When resonance first started, it hit hard very quick! Large crack from the spark gap!  The best news ...we were all very impressed how little input was needed to get this process going.
 There was only 171 Watts needed from the DC motor to get resonance.
 Very strong phase lock on the rotor when resonance is happening.
 
 WE ARE ONLY IN THE BEGINNING HERE.  WE SUSPECT HOURS POSSIBLY DAYS OF TUNING

[/i].... Or weeks or possibly even months, eh there Orlando? How about years?  Here we are on the 17th of July already, "possibly" 71 days later....When are you going to realize that you have been had, bigtime? What data could you, in principle, obtain that might make you give up and concede the impossibility of what you are trying to do? Are you going to keep on "tuning" forever? The more money  you outlay in the beginning the harder it is to stop, and you Florida folks are going to find it very hard indeed to stop, unless you think about this issue very carefully: What kind of data would be sufficient for you to conclude the falsity of the QEG claims?  Once you have decided that, then you should perform experiments designed to show that that data cannot come from a QEG. That is, you should be attempting to falsify your "null hypothesis" by actual experimentation, rather than the useless demonstrations that have been performed.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 18, 2014, 01:24:33 AM
It occurs to me that we are nearly in the realm of the Theory of Signal Detection (TSD) here, in the classic Shannon model.

Consider: in the "real world" the QEG either actually works as a Free Energy device , or it does not.
In the laboratories of the researchers, the QEG research can produce OU measurements, or non-OU measurements.

If the QEG Does produce OU in reality, and the researchers DO detect measurements that indicate this, that is a "HIT". (technical term from TSD.)
If the QEG Does produce OU in reality but the researchers DO NOT detect it, that is a "MISS".
If the QEG Does NOT produce OU in reality, but the researchers DO make measurements that indicate OU, that is a "FALSE ALARM".
If the QEG Does NOT produce OU in reality, and the researchers confirm this fact by measurements that do not indicate OU, this is a "CORRECT REJECTION".

So there are really 4 elements in a TSD matrix to consider. What data would produce a HIT, what data would produce a CORRECT REJECTION. People who do the research we are interested in will always tell you what a "HIT" will look like in terms of data. But they seldom consider what a CORRECT REJECTION would look like.
And let's not forget that the Data that indicates "HIT" is the same data that would indicate "FALSE ALARM"... the difference being the _actual reality_ of the QEG's overunity output -- the measurements are the same. Only "bulletproof" true experimentation can tell the difference, in this paradigm.

Right now we are seeing FALSE ALARM data from the QEGgers. We need them to imagine what CORRECT REJECTION data would look like.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 18, 2014, 01:27:39 AM
Sterling Allan recently interviewed Randell Mills for about an hour.  After listening, my opinion of Mills could not be lower.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxheTNCDqQk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxheTNCDqQk)  He offers lots and lots of BS far beyond the hydrino fantasy.
I have listened to the interview a few days ago. Mills was definitely pretty animated, but I think its due to excitement that after 20 years that he might have something that actually works. Let's wait until the next demo before making any judgments. He is definitely right about going the concentrated PV route in my opinion. Once he gets the firing rate up to about 2400/min he should be able to do a "self-runner". He really does not have to do that of coarse as power-in and power-out are easy to measure here. If there is one technology I'd drop some money into it would be this one, more so than Brillion Energy. I took a long look at the math they have produced some seven or so years ago and I think it hangs together.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 18, 2014, 01:32:30 AM
It occurs to me that we are nearly in the realm of the Theory of Signal Detection (TSD) here, in the classic Shannon model. 
Now you are taking my language. Shannon's Rate Distortion Theory baby. Heady stuff!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 18, 2014, 02:50:23 AM
I have listened to the interview a few days ago. Mills was definitely pretty animated, but I think its due to excitement that after 20 years that he might have something that actually works. Let's wait until the next demo before making any judgments. He is definitely right about going the concentrated PV route in my opinion. Once he gets the firing rate up to about 2400/min he should be able to do a "self-runner". He really does not have to do that of coarse as power-in and power-out are easy to measure here. If there is one technology I'd drop some money into it would be this one, more so than Brillion Energy. I took a long look at the math they have produced some seven or so years ago and I think it hangs together.
Mills expressed Mark Goldes' like funny and appalling ideas with respect to his cold electricity generation.  The last time I checked even the best triple junction PV is way below 100% efficient.  That means that a significant portion of the claimed luminous energy converts to heat.  All of a sudden that heat and pressure that Mills claimed was a non-factor becomes a big factor.  One can drive tremendous peak power levels into confined spaces without problem as long as the average power level remains within the capacity of the cooling system.  Mill's 10MW toaster is completely silly.   BLP's history is one of BS beginning with Mill's debunked CQM ideas.  His math has been torn to shreds by SMEs.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Dave45 on July 18, 2014, 03:19:09 AM
Hey Marky troll I see your trolling
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 18, 2014, 04:53:43 AM
I have listened to the interview a few days ago. Mills was definitely pretty animated, but I think its due to excitement that after 20 years that he might have something that actually works. Let's wait until the next demo before making any judgments. He is definitely right about going the concentrated PV route in my opinion. Once he gets the firing rate up to about 2400/min he should be able to do a "self-runner". He really does not have to do that of coarse as power-in and power-out are easy to measure here. If there is one technology I'd drop some money into it would be this one, more so than Brillion Energy. I took a long look at the math they have produced some seven or so years ago and I think it hangs together.


I couldn't get through it, it made my teeth itch. Can you tell me, though: Did Mills or Sterling refer to the water-arc OU claims of Peter Graneau and Neal Graneau, as evidence for the validity of the BLP project and claims?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 18, 2014, 05:00:23 AM
This kind of thing just isn't right.

Or, anyone could start a fundraising campaign promising anything at all. I have a starship in my backyard that will take a billion people to the planet Alpha Ophiuchi VIII because there is an asteroid bearing down on Earth that will kill everyone who remains behind. I only need donations of 20,000 dollars to finish painting the hull (and to buy toilet paper for the heads). Donors at the 100 dollar level will receive a frameable digital picture of .... etc. etc. And people will give money! But it's not right.

http://www.gofundme.com/bebbhs
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 18, 2014, 05:00:36 AM

I couldn't get through it, it made my teeth itch. Can you tell me, though: Did Mills or Sterling refer to the water-arc OU claims of Peter Graneau and Neal Graneau, as evidence for the validity of the BLP project and claims?
No, I did not hear any mention of that.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 18, 2014, 05:14:47 AM
This kind of thing just isn't right.

Or, anyone could start a fundraising campaign promising anything at all. I have a starship in my backyard that will take a billion people to the planet Alpha Ophiuchi VIII because there is an asteroid bearing down on Earth that will kill everyone who remains behind. I only need donations of 20,000 dollars to finish painting the hull (and to buy toilet paper for the heads). Donors at the 100 dollar level will receive a frameable digital picture of .... etc. etc. And people will give money! But it's not right.

http://www.gofundme.com/bebbhs (http://www.gofundme.com/bebbhs)

Excellent!  But instead of save the world, you would have to call it Save Alpha Ophiuchi VIII.  Also, you would need to make a bunch of really inane videos that would show everything except evidence to back up your claim to having this Starship.  If you do this there is no telling how much money you might raise.  Oh, and you would need a really cool name for the ship too. 

Unicorn 1? 
USS Overunity?
Scamship 7?


Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 18, 2014, 05:26:27 AM
This kind of thing just isn't right.

Or, anyone could start a fundraising campaign promising anything at all. I have a starship in my backyard that will take a billion people to the planet Alpha Ophiuchi VIII because there is an asteroid bearing down on Earth that will kill everyone who remains behind. I only need donations of 20,000 dollars to finish painting the hull (and to buy toilet paper for the heads). Donors at the 100 dollar level will receive a frameable digital picture of .... etc. etc. And people will give money! But it's not right.

http://www.gofundme.com/bebbhs

Fraud is one contagious monster.  The listing is copying hopegirl's style down to the "Round trip for 3 FTW people".  Would be great if someone posted there to build units first, then ship to location to save tons of money.  But of course that would take all the fun of out scamming.  Or even a better post such as "buy the parts your damn self".  That would be classic.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 18, 2014, 09:09:43 AM
No, I did not hear any mention of that.
OK, thanks. I must admit I'm surprised. Is it possible that Mills might actually not know about Peter Graneau and his water arc OU claims?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 18, 2014, 09:54:40 AM
Some critics of BlackLight Power with some links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackLight_Power#Commentaries
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 18, 2014, 02:43:52 PM

I couldn't get through it, it made my teeth itch. Can you tell me, though: Did Mills or Sterling refer to the water-arc OU claims of Peter Graneau and Neal Graneau, as evidence for the validity of the BLP project and claims?
Very interesting. These guys use I assume high voltage and high current and pure water, and get a highly kinetic reaction. Mills on the other hand uses very high current, low voltage, and a hydrate catalyst and gets very high frequency light (little or no IR) and almost zero kinetics.  It would indeed be interesting to get Mills's take on what difference there might be in the two reactions to current. Mills also uses a microscopic amount of water, he says just the water vapor in the air is enough to power his reaction.

I did find this: http://waterarcresearch.blogspot.com/ (http://waterarcresearch.blogspot.com/)  TK you have all the components on hand to build this guys setup for sure! Just a thought, I wonder what would happen if you used a piston chamber with spark plug? Would be able to measure more accurately the energy produced by the explosion.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: BeDoCuckoo on July 18, 2014, 05:34:29 PM
From Patrick in Taiwan

Aloha, dear FTW family and all friends and partners of active QEG CICU groups:

Today, I want to announce a very important and also wonderful update from Taiwanese QEG CICU. Our lead engineer, Mr. Li, has successfully built a mechanical overunity device prototype which has near 400% efficiency in REAL POWER: the input for drive motor is 3.7kw and the output is 15kw. This prototype can generate AC 220V in three phase and AC 127V in single phase, the current is about 58amp.

This device combines a traditional generator with a 3.7kw coupling drive motor and a set of flywheels (weight: 100kg) added on the generator. The assembling began two weeks ago, and the test run was successfully complete on July 14th. The result is very impressive: we now can load a 15kw tubular heating element in full capability while keep the drive motor running. In other words, this prototype can power every home appliance once it is tuned and hooked with the power grid.

Despite this prototype looks so fantastic, it still leaves much improvement to be done. First, it is NOT YET A SELF-RUNNING device because Mr. Li does not want to provoke too much unfriendly attention either from stubborn trolls or Taipower Company. Mr. Li also said that self-running can be achieved easily once everything is safe and sound. Second, the prototype is already too big to be categorized as a household free energy device. So we might go up the ante and develop it for community, factory, infrastructure…etc. Third, a prototype is just a prototype. Improvements like electro-mechanic control and also safety mechanism will take some time, probably few more weeks. Also, we have to discuss when and how its building instruction can be opensourced to other FTW CICUs around the world. So stay with us and keep your fingers crossed.

Finally, Mr. Li wants to appreciate FTW family for your altruistic effort and consistent support. Although this device does not go with resonance or quantum energy, it is your hands-on training program that inspires him and then comes up with such ground-breaking achievement.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 18, 2014, 08:20:28 PM
From Patrick in Taiwan

Aloha, dear FTW family and all friends and partners of active QEG CICU groups:

Today, I want to announce a very important and also wonderful update from Taiwanese QEG CICU. Our lead engineer, Mr. Li, has successfully built a mechanical overunity device prototype which has near 400% efficiency in REAL POWER: the input for drive motor is 3.7kw and the output is 15kw. This prototype can generate AC 220V in three phase and AC 127V in single phase, the current is about 58amp.

This device combines a traditional generator with a 3.7kw coupling drive motor and a set of flywheels (weight: 100kg) added on the generator. The assembling began two weeks ago, and the test run was successfully complete on July 14th. The result is very impressive: we now can load a 15kw tubular heating element in full capability while keep the drive motor running. In other words, this prototype can power every home appliance once it is tuned and hooked with the power grid.

Despite this prototype looks so fantastic, it still leaves much improvement to be done. First, it is NOT YET A SELF-RUNNING device because Mr. Li does not want to provoke too much unfriendly attention either from stubborn trolls or Taipower Company. Mr. Li also said that self-running can be achieved easily once everything is safe and sound. Second, the prototype is already too big to be categorized as a household free energy device. So we might go up the ante and develop it for community, factory, infrastructure…etc. Third, a prototype is just a prototype. Improvements like electro-mechanic control and also safety mechanism will take some time, probably few more weeks. Also, we have to discuss when and how its building instruction can be opensourced to other FTW CICUs around the world. So stay with us and keep your fingers crossed.

Finally, Mr. Li wants to appreciate FTW family for your altruistic effort and consistent support. Although this device does not go with resonance or quantum energy, it is your hands-on training program that inspires him and then comes up with such ground-breaking achievement.

A few questions:
Now word from Taiwan has surfaced.  Why now and none before? 
Is this admittance Taiwan dropped the qeg project?
Will the Taiwan group under Mr. Li change their group name to something more appropriate of the device since its admitted not to involve quantum?
This device as described has been dubbed by PES Network (peswiki.com) as a QMoGen without the Q (self looping).  What separates this MoGen from all the other claims?
Are there any publishing data, videos, reports, blogs, other than this 3rd party "Patrick" post in this forum?  Can we be informed directly from Mr. Li?

Inarguably, self-running is the prime directive for a qmogen.  I do not understand how if self-running can be easily achieved but at the same time Mr. Li gives self-running a back seat to avoid criticism of "stubborn trolls".  Volitional preclusion a desired result to avoid suppression is a case of self fulfilling prophecy.  Why not ignore the critics while building the device as intended.  Better yet, why inform anyone at all and simply use the device for your enjoyment.  That way any suppressors would not get wind of the device.  Come to think of it, you BeDoCuckoo and Patrick are taking a big risk with this notification posted here.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 18, 2014, 09:03:25 PM
A bit of an eye opener over at be-do forum.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team#2359

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"Little bit of a heads up, we are in the process of planning a free energy fundraiser event here at our home in Pennsylvania. It will be a running demonstration for the QEG and hopefully some great guest speakers.  We've got lots of land here and feel confident that people would love to come see the QEG SELF RUNNING in the manger where she was originally built! The fundraiser is to help raise money to save my parents home, which they are in danger of loosing in October."

When this fundraising takes place lets see if this same reason is provided.  Always something new with this group.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 18, 2014, 09:05:08 PM
Hopeless girl restates that Jamie was just hours away from self-running before having to leave the UK:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/514-juli-16-qeg-update-fix-the-world-team)

She is going to do a QEG fund raiser to help save her parents home!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 18, 2014, 09:15:20 PM
Found the Taiwan claim of qmogen.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=759930114029827&set=vb.100000385362184&type=2&theater

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TheCell on July 18, 2014, 10:39:56 PM
And I found this QMoGen demonstration of a Turkish firm:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CmKQSbDx5o
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ramset on July 18, 2014, 11:30:19 PM
Pennsylvania


Its a big state....where in PA is this fundraiser to be held ?
We would Love to help Verify her claims .


thx
ChetKremens@gmail.com 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 18, 2014, 11:49:52 PM
Very interesting. These guys use I assume high voltage and high current and pure water, and get a highly kinetic reaction. Mills on the other hand uses very high current, low voltage, and a hydrate catalyst and gets very high frequency light (little or no IR) and almost zero kinetics.  It would indeed be interesting to get Mills's take on what difference there might be in the two reactions to current. Mills also uses a microscopic amount of water, he says just the water vapor in the air is enough to power his reaction.

I did find this: http://waterarcresearch.blogspot.com/ (http://waterarcresearch.blogspot.com/)  TK you have all the components on hand to build this guys setup for sure! Just a thought, I wonder what would happen if you used a piston chamber with spark plug? Would be able to measure more accurately the energy produced by the explosion.

I have done literally thousands of high-energy water arc explosion "shots" as they are called, working directly with Peter Graneau himself, over a period of several years in the early 2000s. Unfortunately there is no "there" there. The Graneau claims are a classic case of pseudoscientific misconduct. The link you posted illustrates exactly why: it uses the same Conservation of Momentum argument that Graneau put forth and stuck to for years, in spite of all experimental evidence to the contrary. According to him, if your experimental apparatus does not produce the results predicted by the CofM argument and calculations, then your experiment is wrong. However, the truth is the other way around. When a proper analysis of the situation in the arc chamber is performed the "ou" goes away and the proper model predicts experimental results very accurately.

This is one topic that I know a whole lot about.  I constructed many different apparatuses, from underwater rocket-propelled boat-like things, to various secondary projectile apparatuses, to piston things, Pelton Wheel and other turbine designs including Tesla turbines, etc. Everything anybody could think of to try to extract the excess momentum that PG was sure was there. But it really isn't. The PG thesis is actually subtly circular and depends on a key assumption that turns out not to be true.

But if that weren't enough... there is of course a "legend" that has been built up, just as with the QEG. Anyone looking into Graneau will come across the claim that at MIT a fast fog jet punched a hole in a 1/4 inch thick aluminum plate. And the impression is allowed to form that the plate was suspended above an arc chamber as depicted in the photo in the link above, and a jet shot up, hit the suspended plate and punched through it. But that is not what happened at all. The shot was what we called a "contact shot". The chamber was completely full of water, the aluminum plate was rigidly in contact, sealing off the arc chamber, and a clamped or weighted  _punch die_ was on the upper surface of the plate. What happened was a shock-wave metal forming incident, a process that is in widespread commercial use to form metals.

Also you will encounter the Richard Hull claims of supersonic fog jets, based on a single photograph that shows a triangular pointed plume. The velocity of the jet was never actually measured-- by Hull. However the group I worked with did extensive measurements of the "fog" plumes and never saw anything truly supersonic, even at huge energies (a 3 uF cap bank charged to 20 kV and discharged through the best, super-low-impedance triggered spark gap arrangement I have ever encountered). And much of this work was performed in the actual physical presence of Peter Graneau as consultant/principal investigator.

What finally got my complete goat was his habit of realtime data selection. If a shot did not produce the measurements he liked, he would wave his hands and declare that shot to be "failed" or invalid and it would not go into his data set. Only shots that produced results he liked, were considered "keepers".

Oh, I could go on and on. PG was a Panzer battalion commander during WWII and later went to MIT, worked there as a respected physicist and finally attained Professor Emeritus status there, with lab privileges, and his son Neal went on to Oxford with a PhD and worked in a lab there for a while. But having an overbearing personality and impressive academic credentials does not make one's whacky reverse-thermodynamics theory right.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 19, 2014, 12:09:01 AM
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First, it is NOT YET A SELF-RUNNING device because Mr. Li does not want to provoke too much unfriendly attention either from stubborn trolls or Taipower Company. Mr. Li also said that self-running can be achieved easily once everything is safe and sound.

That is so hilarious. Do these people all work from the exact same script? This is THE SAME THING that Kohei Minato told me in 1999 when he brought his magic PMMs and other Minato Motors to San Francisco to be evaluated by Joe Firmage's ISSO group. Except it was the Japanese power company, and God, that he didn't want to provoke.

Of course Mr. Li's device will also never honestly run itself. But since it uses a big flywheel, it will _appear_ to run itself for a little while, just as Minato's big motor did.

It is very instructive to compute the energy stored in a 100 kg brass flywheel 50 cm or 1m in diameter. How much energy must be taken from that flywheel, coasting along, to reduce its speed from 2500 RPM to 2498 RPM? Will your common handheld optical tachometer detect a tiny change in RPM over a few minutes? Will you even _look_ at the flywheel speed and rotational MoI when performing your energy balance calculations, Mister Li?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 19, 2014, 12:15:23 AM
A few questions:
Now word from Taiwan has surfaced.  Why now and none before? 
Is this admittance Taiwan dropped the qeg project?
Will the Taiwan group under Mr. Li change their group name to something more appropriate of the device since its admitted not to involve quantum?
This device as described has been dubbed by PES Network (peswiki.com) as a QMoGen without the Q (self looping).  What separates this MoGen from all the other claims?
Are there any publishing data, videos, reports, blogs, other than this 3rd party "Patrick" post in this forum?  Can we be informed directly from Mr. Li?

Inarguably, self-running is the prime directive for a qmogen.  I do not understand how if self-running can be easily achieved but at the same time Mr. Li gives self-running a back seat to avoid criticism of "stubborn trolls".  Volitional preclusion a desired result to avoid suppression is a case of self fulfilling prophecy.  Why not ignore the critics while building the device as intended.  Better yet, why inform anyone at all and simply use the device for your enjoyment.  That way any suppressors would not get wind of the device.  Come to think of it, you BeDoCuckoo and Patrick are taking a big risk with this notification posted here.

Of course the device does not work as claimed. How can anyone still put credence in the claim "It will self run but I'm not going to do it because I'm afraid of Big Oil"? Surely Big Oil already knows about your claim and would have already suppressed it IF IT WERE TRUE. The very fact that you are out talking about conspiracies suppressing you means two things: there are no such conspiracies, and you need a big excuse for your failure to self-run.

Hey, I've got devices that, just like Mr. Li's, will self run. Unfortunately... just like Mr. Li's, they stop running in a few time units. But that's just an engineering problem. Isn't it Mister Li.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 19, 2014, 12:25:27 AM
Pennsylvania


Its a big state....where in PA is this fundraiser to be held ?
We would Love to help Verify her claims .


thx
ChetKremens@gmail.com
Blog posts call him "of Harrisburg" but I find some listings in Williamsport on Hepburn ST and Dewey Ave, and also in Jersey Shore on Bear Run Rd.
I have no idea if any of these listings are for our Jamie, though.

I'd like to see someone reliable there too. The claim of "running" QEG... no QEG has ever "run". They have all, always, been driven by a big honking drive motor connected to the mains or a big bank of batteries. The QEG has never run. Not in self-powered mode or any other mode. It is a _motor driven_ variable reluctance generator. Driven, not run.
Anyone who refers to a QEG "running" when they are actually driving it with a motor is engaging in subtle neurolinguistic programming designed to give a false impression of validity when none exists.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 12:35:30 AM
I still wince when I think of that Florida guy and his two clips.  I bet you he never posted any follow-up videos even though several people made requests for more tests and data.  I wince because to be brutally honest the guy was clearly clueless around a scope and around circuits.  Yet Naima Feagin says that hey are part a team of amazing engineering experts or something to that effect.

Oh!  What a wonderful global team of experts!  Self running real soon now!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ramset on July 19, 2014, 12:45:30 AM
TK
Thanks


some things would stop real quick when a 200K load is applied !


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Z1S_1GlxA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_Z1S_1GlxA) [From OUR user Matt   Via "Russ"]


Thx
Chet
PS
MH
Not answering questions about or for Bill,you should not assume so much .
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 19, 2014, 02:19:28 AM
Oh ho ho.... look at this. Be sure to read the Description. Why Morocco of all places, for the QEG? Here is an answer... and much much more.

There is mention of a Home foreclosure, a crowd-funded trip around the USA in a water-powered bus .... sound familiar?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LDJamW4pDU
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 19, 2014, 05:25:46 PM
TK:

That clip shows how grotesque the behaviour of some people can be.  It's simply disgusting.  I note that they draw a parallel at the end of the clip with Naima Faegin and her little enterprise.  It's just too bad that some people can't see through the charade.

Ten days to go and I bet you that all is not well in the barn.  Naima Faegin and James Robitaille, what are they doing?  Is James in the barn feverishly trying different combinations of capacitors and light bulbs in a frenzied desperate attempt to make it work?  Is Naima looking over his shoulders egging him on with urgency as the clock ticks down?  Or are they both doing nothing because they couldn't care less about the hunk of metal and wire in the barn?  Instead are they sitting around the kitchen table working on the end-of-month script and trying out different storylines and trying to find the one that makes the best fit - move the goalposts and figure out a creative new way to beg for more money?

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on July 19, 2014, 07:00:29 PM


Maybe with a final gong banging, they will attempt to hoodwink their remaining naive punters into believing that an even bigger core is needed to achieve efficient self-running loop back. This should raise shed more cash and give them time to slowly disappearing underground.  ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on July 19, 2014, 10:48:29 PM
I can just imagine the possible dialogue in court.  ;D

Judge- So James, before asking for donations for the self running generator project how long did you run the device in testing ?

James R - 150 Hours your Honor.

Judge- So that's 150 hours of self running ?

James r- Ummm no that was 150 hours showing OU in VARS.

Judge- So you lied !

James R- Eeerrrr no, it was showing oU in VARS.

Judge- That was a statement not a question. You lied !

James R- But Judge, it was showing OU.

Judge- You lied ! Period ! It did not self run for 150 Hours prior to asking for donations for a self running generator project.

James- But but  but but....

Judge- Please be quiet James while I make the ruling.

If he front's a Judge he's toast.

..



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 19, 2014, 11:17:11 PM
@TinselKoala,

How do you even put up with comments like this at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y

First, its begins with assumptions.  Second the rest is psycho babel jibber jabber having 0 focus on qeg, claims, or anything you said or on anything anyone said in the thread.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 20, 2014, 04:04:39 AM
ACG: You are just one post away from becoming a "Full Member"!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 20, 2014, 06:22:46 AM
@TinselKoala,

How do you even put up with comments like this at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y)

First, its begins with assumptions.  Second the rest is psycho babel jibber jabber having 0 focus on qeg, claims, or anything you said or on anything anyone said in the thread.
Anyone is free to refute me with facts, checkable outside references and/or demonstrations of their own. People who just want to babble like that will be allowed to do so, just so everyone can see that they are ignoring the truth, failing to provide facts of their own, and are lapping up the pablum dished out by HypeGirl/Robitalle/QEGgers. I'll leave their comments up until such posters start becoming personally insulting, which they eventually always do. Then I'll ban them from the channel.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 20, 2014, 05:05:22 PM
Jamie back home with his 5th QEG!

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/pennsylvania-usa/518-pennsylvania-resonance-with-new-core (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/pennsylvania-usa/518-pennsylvania-resonance-with-new-core)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 05:14:02 PM
Months and months into this mess and the chief bench technician still does not report his power input and output measurements.

Note also that the original "working" QEG has now been taken apart.  That's right out of the free energy scammer's cookbook.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Vortex1 on July 20, 2014, 05:53:58 PM
Months and months into this mess and the chief bench technician still does not report his power input and output measurements.

Note also that the original "working" QEG has now been taken apart.  That's right out of the free energy scammer's cookbook.

Accurately measuring and reporting "power out vs. power in" would be a game ender. This must be avoided at all cost. Rather, the word "resonance" is substituted and the lemmings all give a cheer and get a chill up their spine to anesthetize them from the sting of their wallets being emptied.

The bait and switch game continues, when will the insanity end? I almost don't feel sorry anymore for those that got ripped by the con men (and women). When everyone wakes up and all the hoopla dies down, the sting of loss will hopefully make for a more scientifically demanding outlook for the OU community.

But then, there is always a new group of initiates waiting and wanting to part with their money for a cheap thrill.

The latest of the PA videos is laughable.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 20, 2014, 07:03:28 PM
Months and months into this mess and the chief bench technician still does not report his power input and output measurements.

Note also that the original "working" QEG has now been taken apart.  That's right out of the free energy scammer's cookbook.
Notice how large the drive motor is. I would say 3 or 5 HP. The lights seemed brighter as result. He must be imputing between 2 and 3 3/4 KW.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 20, 2014, 10:10:26 PM
Notice only 2 bulbs lit just as when this first started.  Where is the 4kW range to 9.3kW loads?

From hopegirls upload.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMYt4jBn_5M
"Literally minutes after posting the last compilation of 4 QEGs reaching resonance, here's the 5th! Self-running is next!"

This is the 3 or 4th "next".  How many next can there be?  And what is the importance between the time one video is uploaded to the time a machine turns on 2 light bulbs?  None.  Placing grandeur on nothing is her M.O.  Well since James was minutes away from self-running in UK, he should be seconds away from self-running in PA, USA.  One thousand one.  One thousand two.  One thousand three.  Self-running yet?  Is that the fable quantum exciter coil in the backdrop in blue?  As with all the builds, not being used though its the source to pull power from the quantum zero point to the core.  Hey if it could do that why have a core.  Send that Q energy directly to the load at 60hz.

I know a few that say they are still not sure of James is in on this scam with hopegirl.  Take a look at the latest upload linked.  Do you have any reserves now?

I literally just got off the commode before witching one of her videos.  Use your own judgment to the significance of that.

I reach full membership RESONANCE!!  Thanks goes to qeg because I never posted here before March 2014.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 20, 2014, 10:21:51 PM
So that is probably the evidence I was looking for that the original Penn Prototype has also had a "blowout" event that shorted the windings, so a new core had to be made.

Something is wrong with my internet feed today, I am having really slow loads, so I haven't watched the whole video yet. But the expression on Jamie's face in the first shot is priceless, isn't it? Like something from a Bugs Bunny cartoon.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 20, 2014, 11:51:21 PM
TK:

Why would a "blowout" necessitate a change of core?  Don't they just have to change the coil that shorted out?  Presumably the physical core would be just fine.

I am licking my chops to see if we ever see Jamie at a coil winding machine where the machine goes across the whole width of the coil in a back-and-forth motion and builds up a primary coil layer by layer.  As far as I am concerned, that would be a big mistake, and another demonstration of incompetence.

Meanwhile, I have some faint hope that the Canadian Qweegeer Kevin Blundell will eventually flip and simply report truthfully on his experience in this saga.  How much money he spent, his inside information from Evens Abellard who was in Morocco and the UK, what the other groups are measuring and saying, etc.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Vortex1 on July 20, 2014, 11:58:49 PM
From TK

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But the expression on Jamie's face in the first shot is priceless, isn't it? Like something from a Bugs Bunny cartoon.

And the wave at the end like bugs saying: "thaaaats all folks"

I just watched the "UK has resonance" video and I must say these guys must be out of their minds, running a heavy rotor at such high speeds in a room full of adults and children.

 If the rotor should ever lock up from a mechanical failure, it will transfer all that stored mechanical energy to the stator and take off like a cartoon buzz-saw across the room,  but unlike a cartoon, people will get injured. Here is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 21, 2014, 12:01:20 AM
TK:

Why would a "blowout" necessitate a change of core?  Don't they just have to change the coil that shorted out?  Presumably the physical core would be just fine.

I am licking my chops to see if we ever see Jamie at a coil winding machine where the machine goes across the whole width of the coil in a back-and-forth motion and builds up the coil layer by layer.  As far as I am concerned, that would be a big mistake, and another demonstration of incompetence.

Meanwhile, I have some faint hope that the Canadian Qweegeer Kevin Blundell will eventually flip and simply report truthfully on his experience in this saga.  How much money he spent, his inside information from Evens Abellard who was in Morocco and the UK, what the other groups are measuring and saying, etc.

MileHigh
It will be good if he does ultimately report.  I would not pin a lot of hope on that.  Consider the engineers whom Steorn conned:  Rice, Fennelly, and Watson.  Of the three only one:  Watson eventually came out and said that Steorn were FoS.  And even at that he did so over their transformer BS.  He still expressed belief in OU from  their absurd horizontal axis step motor contraption.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 03:19:36 AM
TK:

Why would a "blowout" necessitate a change of core?  Don't they just have to change the coil that shorted out?  Presumably the physical core would be just fine.
Finding the short and fixing it requires stripping the wires. Preventing new shorts requires stripping _all_ the wires and re-doing properly. Plus, the "new cores" are potted, to make things even more out of reach.
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I am licking my chops to see if we ever see Jamie at a coil winding machine where the machine goes across the whole width of the coil in a back-and-forth motion and builds up a primary coil layer by layer.  As far as I am concerned, that would be a big mistake, and another demonstration of incompetence.

The cores are toroidal and don't separate in a "normal" manner. They need to be professionally wound using a toroidal winding machine. There is really no way to do it by hand. One of the road teams has actually built an impressive toroidal core winding machine of their own; it has my complete approval. Too bad it was done for this project. At any rate, the cores are tightly and neatly wound by professionals, at still more cost to the "replicators".
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Meanwhile, I have some faint hope that the Canadian Qweegeer Kevin Blundell will eventually flip and simply report truthfully on his experience in this saga.  How much money he spent, his inside information from Evens Abellard who was in Morocco and the UK, what the other groups are measuring and saying, etc.

MileHigh

Psychological factors mitigate against your hopes, I am afraid. The more money and "face" that one invests in folly, the harder it is to let go and admit to yourself that you are a fool. I envision these people in the more expensive and sophisticated groups like Canada and Florida and South Africa to still be struggling with their doorstops, over in the dedicated workbench taking up half the lab/garage/basement, in a year's time, and with precisely the same results they are getting now: no selfie runnie.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 03:30:57 AM
From TK

And the wave at the end like bugs saying: "thaaaats all folks"

I just watched the "UK has resonance" video and I must say these guys must be out of their minds, running a heavy rotor at such high speeds in a room full of adults and children.

 If the rotor should ever lock up from a mechanical failure, it will transfer all that stored mechanical energy to the stator and take off like a cartoon buzz-saw across the room,  but unlike a cartoon, people will get injured. Here is a lawsuit waiting to happen.
 

Fooking amaxing. The way they stand directly in the plane of the rotating pulleys: a broken belt will take out an arm or an eye. A rotor crash at speed will send fragments flying. Poking your fingers around a HV capacitor stack without using a "jesus pole" first will eventually result in an adverse electrical event to the bodddy.

I could not believe my eyes. At the end of this most recent video, Jamie actually gestures to the lights and says "twelve hundred watts" and then actually waves his hands around in the air and says "so there you have it". Literal hand-waving! Not a measurement in the room. Of course buried under the noise he says "400 Watts" claiming that that big motor is only drawing that much, and of course he's going by the nameplate value of the bulbs. Hey, on the box it says 600 Watt bulbs. So if they light up at all, that means 600 Watts per bulb. Right? That's why they are so much brighter than the overhead room lighting. Oh... wait.... they aren't actually, they are just blooming the camera sensor locally. Oops.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 03:52:34 AM
Notice how large the drive motor is. I would say 3 or 5 HP. The lights seemed brighter as result. He must be imputing between 2 and 3 3/4 KW.
Under the noise he says "400 Watts" presumably claiming that that is what the motor is drawing. Heck, there is probably that much power in the noise, alone.
 ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: picowatt on July 21, 2014, 03:55:09 AM
Under the noise he says "400 Watts" presumably claiming that that is what the motor is drawing. Heck, there is probably that much power in the noise, alone.
 ;D

I think he was referring to the load... two 200watt light bulbs.  Not sure if they were at full brilliance though.

PW
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 04:16:56 AM
Meanwhile... back at the ranch.... What's that Lassie? Timmy's in the well, again? WooF WooF Grr....  Oh, no, sorry....

TEXAS HAS RESONANCE !! OVERUNITY IN VARs !! Conversion of reactive power to real power! Woof!
 
Introducing the TKTickler MicroQEG Solid State Quantum Energy Generator. Microseconds away from self-looping! That's no barking dog!

 8) :P

Video uploading now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk)


_Now_ I can haz cheezburger?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 04:24:24 AM
I think he was referring to the load... two 200watt light bulbs.  Not sure if they were at full brilliance though.

PW

OMG... You are right! I at first thought he said "twelve hundred watts" meaning the output there but in fact he is saying four hundred watts for the output. I have got to remember that trick of using nameplate values. It is so much simpler than actually measuring things. For example, I have some LEDs here, rated 30 mA. So that means when the LED is emitting light, it is drawing 30 mA and I don't have to measure it any more. Whew that will save a lot of time.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 21, 2014, 05:30:09 AM
Meanwhile... back at the ranch.... What's that Lassie? Timmy's in the well, again? WooF WooF Grr....  Oh, no, sorry....

TEXAS HAS RESONANCE !! OVERUNITY IN VARs !! Conversion of reactive power to real power! Woof!
 
Introducing the TKTickler MicroQEG Solid State Quantum Energy Generator. Microseconds away from self-looping! That's no barking dog!

 8) :P

Video uploading now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk)




_Now_ I can haz cheezburger?
TK: If you do not object I'd like to post this over at be-do as a solid state alternative to the mechanical QEG with a request that it be up scaled to 10 KW. The world needs to know about this incredible breakthrough. He he! Oh but you are not taking things seriously enough with the posted description, so best not. Interesting that the  I & V in the primary are nearly in phase, do you have an explanation for that? 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 05:59:13 AM
TK: If you do not object I'd like to post this over at be-do as a solid state alternative to the mechanical QEG with a request that it be up scaled to 10 KW. The world needs to know about this incredible breakthrough. He he! Oh but you are not taking things seriously enough with the posted description, so best not. Interesting that the  I & V in the primary are nearly in phase, do you have an explanation for that?

I wish someone would post it over there. I doubt if anyone will actually read the Description. Since it's not an alt.snakeoil video report I have to tell it "like it is" in the Description but we know the truth don't we: the device is actually massively OU and I'm just pretending it's not because I'm too dumb to realize otherwise.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: picowatt on July 21, 2014, 06:06:13 AM
Meanwhile... back at the ranch.... What's that Lassie? Timmy's in the well, again? WooF WooF Grr....  Oh, no, sorry....

TEXAS HAS RESONANCE !! OVERUNITY IN VARs !! Conversion of reactive power to real power! Woof!
 
Introducing the TKTickler MicroQEG Solid State Quantum Energy Generator. Microseconds away from self-looping! That's no barking dog!

 8) :P

Video uploading now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk)


_Now_ I can haz cheezburger?

Damn it TK!

When you know you are editing in some zingers, you really need to put some kind of warning at the lead of your videos telling us to put down all liquids.  I spit coffee all over the place when I heard the first "yay... we have resonance..." edited into your video.  Still laughing... 

As for the "cheezburger", having seen what you can do with a piece of cheese, the MIB will never let you near a cheeseburger.

PW

Hey, is that Tek 'scope a recent acquisition?  Don't rem seeing it before...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 07:02:09 AM
Heh...
I just want to make it perfectly clear to those who might not know: there is nothing faked in that video and anyone can reproduce the results themselves. The parts to make the circuit probably cost less than 10 dollars, the mosfets are IRF3205, dirt cheap, and you don't have to use precision caps, just good ones.  There are things wrong with the video and the "claims" and I hope people discuss them,  but there is nothing wrong with the apparatus or the measurements per se.  This is not a "cheese power" demonstration! The measurements and the circuit are 100 percent real and just as I present them in the video.
The EE types and experienced experimenters already know this but I just wanted to make it clear to any lurkers who might be suspicious but not have the experience to judge for themselves.

I've had the Tek 2213a for some years. It's a nice simple and reliable scope with enough bandwidth for my general purposes and has a trigger delay feature that's useful. I wish it could do a mixed straight and delayed screen like the HP180a can do, but one gets what one pays for I suppose. I paid 125 dollars CDN for it at Active Surplus in Toronto, carried it home on the subway. At one point one channel went to the DC offset peg, due to my ambient UHV experimentation, blew an input stage FET and the associated PiN diode. It was relatively easy to replace the parts and re-calibrate once I discovered that the 2213a uses the 2215 front-end, not the 2213 front end.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: picowatt on July 21, 2014, 07:16:01 AM
Heh...
I just want to make it perfectly clear to those who might not know: there is nothing faked in that video and anyone can reproduce the results themselves. The parts to make the circuit probably cost less than 10 dollars, the mosfets are IRF3205, dirt cheap, and you don't have to use precision caps, just good ones.  There are things wrong with the video and the "claims" and I hope people discuss them,  but there is nothing wrong with the apparatus or the measurements per se.  This is not a "cheese power" demonstration! The measurements and the circuit are 100 percent real and just as I present them in the video.
The EE types and experienced experimenters already know this but I just wanted to make it clear to any lurkers who might be suspicious but not have the experience to judge for themselves.

I've had the Tek 2213a for some years. It's a nice simple and reliable scope with enough bandwidth for my general purposes and has a trigger delay feature that's useful. I wish it could do a mixed straight and delayed screen like the HP180a can do, but one gets what one pays for I suppose. I paid 125 dollars CDN for it at Active Surplus in Toronto, carried it home on the subway. At one point one channel went to the DC offset peg, due to my ambient UHV experimentation, blew an input stage FET and the associated PiN diode. It was relatively easy to replace the parts and re-calibrate once I discovered that the 2213a uses the 2215 front-end, not the 2213 front end.

TK,

I in no way meant to infer any "cheeziness" was going on in this video!  But you do keep asking for "cheezburgers", and that cannot be allowed to happen...

But seriously, I had to change my shirt...

The Tek scope has a nice looking and bright display that shows up very well in your video.

Great work, as usual...  at the least, you deserve a bucket of wings...

PW
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 21, 2014, 01:38:02 PM
TK: Any chance you could post a circuit diagram for the setup?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 02:04:02 PM
I've posted it several times already but OK, here it is again.

Differences: I am using IRF3205 mossfeet and a TBF primary coil of six turns of heavy solid copper house wire. #12, I think. The bifilar winding of this coil is either critical, or a Red Herring, or both. 6 caps to make up about 60 nF. TBF coil in place of "transfer loop", and about 4.25-5.0 uH of inductance. The chokes are Radio Shack 100 uH chokes rewound with heavier wire but measuring the same 100 uH.

Please excuse the unconventional format of the schematic. It's a long.... long..... story. But there it is.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on July 21, 2014, 03:19:20 PM
TK, do you live in the GTA? I used to got ot Toronto Surplu, Electro Sonic, and Sayal a lot.
Live west of Milton now.
We would like you to come to our monthly inventors meeting in North York; read about it : www.inventorscircle.org/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 03:54:35 PM
TK, do you live in the GTA? I used to got ot Toronto Surplu, Electro Sonic, and Sayal a lot.
Live west of Milton now.
We would like you to come to our monthly inventors meeting in North York; read about it : www.inventorscircle.org/ (http://www.inventorscircle.org/)
Nope, I'm back in Texas now, probably for good. I know all those stores well, have several items of kit from Marchand at TO Surplus, shopped at the Sayal off Dixie Rd. in Mississauga for routine electronics parts, went into Active Surplus on Queen St in downtown TO every weekend, etc.
Would love to join you lot but am geographically indisposed.... I do miss the snow sometimes though.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 21, 2014, 04:13:04 PM
Within the valley of shadowless death
They pray for thunderclouds and rain,
But to the multitude who stand in the rain
Heaven is where the sun shines.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on July 21, 2014, 05:07:17 PM
I am in Houston quite often; are you near there?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 21, 2014, 05:13:25 PM
You are about 200 miles east.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on July 21, 2014, 05:49:03 PM



 Over at Pes. Mr. Li has got 400%! I only hope they haven't missed the e
off of the end of his name.
   He hasn't self looped for fear of the power companies!
         John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on July 21, 2014, 07:02:47 PM

I was hoping that the QEG would be an efficient enough generator to use as the generator in a qmogen
solution if it wasn't overunity itself...But Nooooooo. I favor any overunity solution as long as the QEG functions
as more than an expensive hood ornament. JR. firmly believes that the QEG works if only he can buy enough
expensive instrumentation to entice those VARS to come out! So be it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 08:26:03 PM
I was hoping that the QEG would be an efficient enough generator to use as the generator in a qmogen
solution if it wasn't overunity itself...But Nooooooo. I favor any overunity solution as long as the QEG functions
as more than an expensive hood ornament. JR. firmly believes that the QEG works if only he can buy enough
expensive instrumentation to entice those VARS to come out! So be it.

And yet, in Jamie's latest video, the scope sits unused, propped up dangerously on the bench. Not a measurement in sight, just lots of cheering and handwaving. Meanwhile, it's another day later.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 21, 2014, 08:28:18 PM
I am in Houston quite often; are you near there?
No, not really, and like a fine wine, I don't travel well. I used to have relatives in Houston though... so I feel your pain.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 21, 2014, 09:20:02 PM
Found another BLP video showing process running much faster: http://vimeo.com/97775042 (http://vimeo.com/97775042)

Latest demo supposedly being done today. No vid yet.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 22, 2014, 04:20:37 AM
TK: If you do not object I'd like to post this over at be-do as a solid state alternative to the mechanical QEG with a request that it be up scaled to 10 KW. The world needs to know about this incredible breakthrough. He he! Oh but you are not taking things seriously enough with the posted description, so best not. Interesting that the  I & V in the primary are nearly in phase, do you have an explanation for that?

Interesting info from BLP. Not very significant, but innnteresting.  (trike falls over)   ;)



Meanwhile, the measurement problem represented by my microQEG video has generated some controversy, as I knew it would. A few people have picked up on the presence of a "trick" or error that causes the phase angle to look so small. The question that we must ask is whether or not the QEG teams are making the same "error" or trick with their reports of OU in VARs.  I myself simply do not have enough information about their "open source" procedures to know if they are or not. 
Is their Stangenes CT oriented properly? Does the Fluke or other Current Clamp probe introduce a time delay phase difference and have the teams "de-skewed" their active probes in the scope's internal settings?  Is one or more of their scope channels inverted? Do they actually know how to measure large or small phase shifts, so as to include the "cos theta" term in their Real Power calculations from the measured p-p values they are getting?  I just don't know.

I realize now that I should have "disabled comments" on the original MicroQEG video. That would have been true to form, emulating the FTW-QEG style as closely as possible. Too late now, I suppose.

Here is Part 1 of the "reveal" or explanation of the phase measurement problem using Current Transformers for monitoring current in a reactive system. Part 1 just explains what we are talking about, for the folks who might not be completely clear on what "phase shift" means and how it looks on a scope. Part 2, ready later on this evening, will apply the knowledge to demonstrate and explain the measurement pitfall "trick" or error that resulted in the microQEG's apparent small phase shift.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq_NWxyL8ro (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq_NWxyL8ro)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 22, 2014, 05:47:49 AM
TK: I'm waiting with interest to hear more about the measurement problem. Very insightful. Doing a spice simulation of your circuit. Going to ground it to make it a true OU Tesla machine.

I feel like I'm watching cubs build the school girl motor.  http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/active-qeg-builders-cicus/519-transverter-for-qeg (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/active-qeg-builders-cicus/519-transverter-for-qeg)  I think this provides quit a bit of insight into the technical prowess of be-do developers.  Its might be time to move on and let the gong banging QEGers do their thing in peace. When folks wake up to BLP in the next few months this, Rossi and the rest will be blown aside. You heard it here first.  I might be going out on a bit of of limb, and I know there are many doubters, but Mills is going to give the world of Physics one mighty headache.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 22, 2014, 05:56:47 AM
TK: I'm waiting with interest to hear more about the measurement problem. Very insightful. Doing a spice simulation of your circuit. Going to ground it to make it a true OU Tesla machine.

I feel like I'm watching cubs build the school girl motor.  http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/active-qeg-builders-cicus/519-transverter-for-qeg (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/active-qeg-builders-cicus/519-transverter-for-qeg)  I think this provides quit a bit of insight into the technical prowess of be-do developers.  Its might be time to move on and let the gong banging QEGers do there thing in piece. When folks wake up to BLP in the next few months this, Rossi and the rest will be blown aside. You heard it here first.  I might be going out on a bit of of limb, and I know there are many doubters, but Mills is going to give the world of Physics one mighty headache.
Based on history you are going out on quite a long limb.  It would be wonderful if Mills could deliver.  The problem is that his science is really, really bad. That makes his chances of delivering  basically nil.  It is not as though after the recent demonstrations some bright bulbs from MIT or Cal-Tech have jumped up and endorsed him.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 22, 2014, 06:07:42 AM
Based on history you are going out on quite a long limb.  It would be wonderful if Mills could deliver.  The problem is that his science is really, really bad. That makes his chances of delivering  basically nil.  It is not as though after the recent demonstrations some bright bulbs from MIT or Cal-Tech have jumped up and endorsed him.
Mark I've followed these guys for a very long time. I disagree that the science is bad. I've looked over it in much detail, as have some of my colleagues. His model has very good predictive qualities for chemistry, material science, etc.  Also read this investor comment (most recent)  http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/07/11/blacklight-powers-randell-mills-interview-product-deployment-very-quickly/ (http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/07/11/blacklight-powers-randell-mills-interview-product-deployment-very-quickly/) Like I said before best to wait and see. I'm keeping my figures crossed that the video of today's demo is going to be a little more impressive than those presented so far. I'm thinking it will be based on the snippet video I post earlier. I for one appreciate seeing the steps they are going through to make a workable system. This is rapid prototyping in it purest form, and obviously not a real product. He has had many dead ends, but now Mills is all fired up and ready to go!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 22, 2014, 06:13:22 AM
Mark I've followed these guys for a very long time. I disagree that the science is bad. I've looked over it in much detail, as have some of my colleagues. His model has very good predictive qualities for chemistry, material science, etc.  Also read this investor comment (most recent)  http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/07/11/blacklight-powers-randell-mills-interview-product-deployment-very-quickly/ (http://www.e-catworld.com/2014/07/11/blacklight-powers-randell-mills-interview-product-deployment-very-quickly/) Like I said before best to wait and see. I'm keeping my figures crossed that the video of today's demo is going to be a little more impressive than those presented so far. I'm thinking it will be based on the snippet video one I post earlier. I for one appreciate seeing the steps they are going through to make a workable system. He has had many dead ends, but now Mills is all fired up and ready to go!
I do not wish to derail this thread into a debate about Mills and BLP.  Given the amount of time that has passed one could easily argue that time has told the tale.  In the final analysis, Mills will either finally deliver, or the game will just continue to go on as it has.  If you want to discuss this more at greater length, then please wake up one of the BLP threads.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 22, 2014, 11:40:45 AM
Scoposcopy: Phase 2: Does a Current Transformer type current sense coil introduce a phase shift into its measurement of current waveforms?  How can you tell? How can you measure phase relationships accurately on an analog oscilloscope that does not have "numbers in boxes" for you? Just what the heck are those x-y settings and those marks on the graticule for anyhow? Little red knobs on the attenuator and timebase knobs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVwyt0EKHlU

Does the Stangenes current transformer used by the FTW QEGgers introduce phase artifacts of its own? How about their Fluke and Tek current clamps?

Next vid: comparing the toroidal and solenoidal current transformer coils, tomorrow probably.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 22, 2014, 02:47:24 PM
Scoposcopy: Phase 2: Does a Current Transformer type current sense coil introduce a phase shift into its measurement of current waveforms?  How can you tell? How can you measure phase relationships accurately on an analog oscilloscope that does not have "numbers in boxes" for you? Just what the heck are those x-y settings and those marks on the graticule for anyhow? Little red knobs on the attenuator and timebase knobs?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVwyt0EKHlU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVwyt0EKHlU)

Does the Stangenes current transformer used by the FTW QEGgers introduce phase artifacts of its own? How about their Fluke and Tek current clamps?

Next vid: comparing the toroidal and solenoidal current transformer coils, tomorrow probably.
Watched part two. I would have expected the phase shift of your Rogowski coil be have been 90 degrees so was surprised to see it was only 72 degrees. I guess it must be being affected by coils own capacitance and resistance?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 23, 2014, 07:48:36 AM
I guess you can tell by my tone of voice that I was a bit surprised and frustrated too, because I thought to see more like 90 degrees of phase shift too. But there is more residual inductance in the whole system than I would like, for a calibration fixture, especially the way I have the non-inductive resistor stack connected, and of course lots of stray capacitance too. I will be refining this setup slightly and remeasuring for the next video.
In that last video I only showed the phase measurement for the loopstick solenoidal winding: I'll test the toroidal CT and compare the two in the next video. The toroidal CT produces a much stronger cleaner signal than the loopstick does, that's a plus.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 26, 2014, 07:24:40 AM
It turns out that the small ferrite bead that I made into a current transformer produces a great signal when used in the CT calibration fixture driven by FG as shown in the last video. But when I tried it on the MicroQEG itself, it killed the resonance completely, made the circuit act like the primary was open, and this destroyed a couple of mosfets before I figured it out and pulled the plug. I think this is because the bead acts as an effective choke when mounted on the leg of the MQEG's primary coil. There are some very interesting effects and consequences; I can light a neon on the output of this little choke slipped over the primary leg, and have pulled 1/8 inch RF arc from it! Briefly...   :-[

At any rate, I can only use the coreless loopstick windings for current sense transformer at the moment. This simulates a real Rogowski coil without the integrating/phase shifting buffer amp usually used with these things. And here is the "explanation" for the phase shift data that I showed in the very first vid: The total phase shift seen on the oscilloscope is the sum of the actual phase shift of current wrt voltage in the tank's circulating reactive power (90 degrees) plus the phase shift in the output signal from the current sense transformer (another 90 degrees). So when this system is reporting a perfectly "in phase" pair of signals, it means that one scope channel is inverted or connected to the coil backwards, and the true picture should look 180 degrees or very nearly so out-of-phase, and this in turn means the _true_ phase relationship is the near 90 degrees shift that is expected in the reactive power circuit. I think. I would welcome hearing from (a few) other people on this issue.

The good news is that the circuit operates just fine on IRF830 mosfets; perhaps there is slightly more heating in the transistors after long running and various transverter load experiments but it's hard to tell since they are only very slightly above ambient temp. I intend to put 3205s back in but I'm out of stock at the moment; I should have more by Monday or Tuesday, 9 dollars for ten pieces from Thai Shine, free shipping.

Meanwhile, the silence of the QEG teams is deafening, wot? And I see at be-do forum that tangents are being followed. Too bad their approach to a solid state system is ... er... uninformed, shall we say, by what I've been demonstrating.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ8Gl8KXXto


I am in casual consultation with a friend of vast power supply design experience, who may be able to guide me through the process of making some rock-solid, fully lab-grade, ultra-reliable power measurements of just what is going on in the resonant tank. Something to look forward to, perhaps, and something that will certainly be applicable to power measurements in larger systems like the "real" QEG. (Is that an oxymoron or what?)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 26, 2014, 09:25:37 AM
From the Official QEG FAQs:

All that's needed is to spin the machine up to resonance. At that point it will run itself. 

You can use a crank mechanism! Hey James, maybe that's what's wrong with all those QEGs that can't run even though they can resonate: not enough crank mechanism.   ;D ;D

Come on Jimmy... spin that crank! You can do it! Six days left until August, plenty of time.  Isn't it? Man, I'd like to be a fly on the wall in Jamie's barn/lab right about now.

But I think it's time for a major revision in your FAQs, don't you, FTWits?  You can save a lot of trouble by just renaming the page FTL: Frequently Told Lies.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/frequently-asked-questions?faqid=5 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/frequently-asked-questions?faqid=5)

Here's a FAQ that isn't on the list: Has anyone, anywhere, actually run a 3/4 HP MOTOR on the output of their QEG? (Anyone besides Timmy Thrapp I mean. ) I think I already know the answer to that one.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 26, 2014, 11:27:28 AM
Hi TinselKoala,
In your video2 you got some troubles to use current transformer(CT). It seem that you confound "current to voltage transformer" and "current to current transformer". Actually they are the same, the difference is in the load. In your video2, the "load" is the 1Mohm probe, so you have the first transformer with a strong voltage and the phase shift of near 90°.
To transform your tranformer in a "current to current transformer" with a very little phase shift, you need to put a very low resistor in parallel with the secondary, specialy with a ferrite tor as core.
If you call Zp the extra serial load with the transmitting air coil due to the CT, n=Np/Ns and R the resistor on the secondary, then:
               Zp= n²*R
Due to n², you need to keep R very low!
(In fact, you can even C/C the secondary to disconnect fictitiously the CT)...

May be these links can help you,
1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer
2) http://www.electronics-tutorials.ws/transformer/current-transformer.html
, look the Current Transformer Example No1.
3) Or http://www.cigre.nl/media/47010/arvind_srinivasan.pdf, see Transformer Loading (1) and (2) at the very begining.
And on radio frequency CT:
http://www.ets-lindgren.com/manuals/9445_20399265_B%5B1%5D.pdf
http://www.g3ynh.info/zdocs/bridges/Xformers/part_1.html
http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/vol_2/chpt_9/7.html

Can-you send me some more information on your CT?
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 26, 2014, 11:54:51 AM
@TinselKoala
I forgot this link http://www.interferencetechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Wyatt_NA_DDG12.pdf
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 26, 2014, 12:29:22 PM
@TinselKoala
I forgot this link http://www.interferencetechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Wyatt_NA_DDG12.pdf (http://www.interferencetechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Wyatt_NA_DDG12.pdf)
@+
Thanks for the links, it is very useful to have them all in one place.
The QEG people have shown the use of the Stangenes current transformer, I think this one:
http://electricalproducts.stangenes.com/item/current-transformers/wide-band-current-transformers/0-5-0-1w#Specifications (http://electricalproducts.stangenes.com/item/current-transformers/wide-band-current-transformers/0-5-0-1w#Specifications)
and I believe this to be a straight current-to-voltage type without any electronics inside. At least the ones I have used before, from a different maker but otherwise looking the same and with same specs, were current-to-voltage. I think that this will produce the 90 degree phase shift in the measurement, but I'm not sure, and that's what I'm trying to find out. My own resources are very limited and I can't just go and buy the same transformer, although one would come in very handy in my lab. So I'm using what I've got and what I can make.
The item I used in the latest video and which I tested in the "Phase 2 video" is the coil section, without ferrite core of course, of a "loopstick variable inductor" that is wound with one continuous winding in two sections of very fine Litz wire wound in a herringbone kind of pattern.  Without the core it measures about 2  milliHenry on my meter and with the core all the way in it is about 9 mH. I am not using the core. It gives a good voltage signal as you can see in the "Part 2" latest video and this signal is phase-shifted 90 degrees... or I am making lots of real FE, one or the other!  ;)
This loopstick sense coil doesn't seem to disturb the output of the circuit or the voltage across the primary coil.

The QEG people have also spoken of a Fluke current clamp something like this:
http://www.transcat.com/Catalog/productdetail.aspx?itemnum=I310S&utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&gclid=CMvG-oLi4r8CFZTm7AodxnIAug (http://www.transcat.com/Catalog/productdetail.aspx?itemnum=I310S&utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&gclid=CMvG-oLi4r8CFZTm7AodxnIAug)
and I have no idea about what artifacts it might introduce into a measurement. I'd sure like to own one though.

Thanks again for the links and for your analysis. Every little bit helps. I sure wish we could get some kind of action from the "real" QEG builders. It's like they are in some fantasy world, or are actors in a movie, or something, completely isolated from reality.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 26, 2014, 12:30:46 PM
@TinselKoala
I forgot this link http://www.interferencetechnology.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Wyatt_NA_DDG12.pdf
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The principles are good, but the specific clamps are directed at much higher frequencies than in TinselKoala's application.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 26, 2014, 12:32:22 PM
The principles are good, but the specific clamps are directed at much higher frequencies than in TinselKoala's application.
Yes, I forgot to mention that. Those are like 10Mhz up, and I'm working at 300 kHz or so. Although I have a 5 MHz system in the works for another purpose.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 26, 2014, 02:32:36 PM
@TinselKoala
"The QEG people have also spoken of a Fluke current clamp something like this:
http://www.transcat.com/Catalog/productdetail.aspx?itemnum=I310S&utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&gclid=CMvG-oLi4r8CFZTm7AodxnIAug
and I have no idea about what artifacts it might introduce into a measurement. I'd sure like to own one though."
It  Bandwidth is from  dc to 1 kHz so it's does not work for 400kHz or 1Mhz!

Her an excerpt from the Manufacturer PDF on the same link:
"Output Sensitivity 10 mV/A (30 A)
                            1 mV/A (300 A)
Accuracy
(30 A range) ± 1 % of reading ± 50 mA
(300 A range) ± 1 % of reading ± 300 mA
@25 °C, Bandwidth dc to 1 kHz
Bandwidth to Meet Accuracy Specification 1 kHz
Phase Shift below 1 kHz  < 2 degrees
Resolution
                                       ± 50 mA (30 A)
                                       ± 100 mA (300 A)
Load impedance > 10 k Ω and ≤ 100 pF"

@MarkE
"The principles are good, but the specific clamps are directed at much higher frequencies than in TinselKoala's application."
Yes I know, but I had some difficulties to find good links in english.
http://www.coilcraft.com/pwrsense.cfm, a example of industrial 50kHz to 1MHz CT.
http://www.digikey.com/Web%20Export/Common/icons/datasheet.png
For the this range of frequency, the the theory is the same.
Here a link in french: http://books.google.fr/books?id=b3-SFGPYJs4C&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=th%C3%A9orie+transfo+courant+hf&source=bl&ots=R8Yh6Yx8SY&sig=gXhjzx2wvz2-4KODTSU46nNVzN0&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=JanPU_OfMfLZ0QXRu4DQBw&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAzge#v=onepage&q=th%C3%A9orie%20transfo%20courant%20hf&f=false

1) If ωc is the low cutoff frequency ωc=R/L , R must be low and L big to have a low ωc...
More, the tranfert function  is Vs/Is=  k* ( i*ω/ωc)/(1+ i*ω/ωc)     with (i=sqt(-1))
and the phase shift: phi=atn(ωc/ω), so Phi is neat zero if ωc<<ω...
(if i don't make an error...)

2) The high limit is set by the core loss...
And the phase depend mainly of  ω/ωc.

@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 26, 2014, 02:54:35 PM
@TinselKoala
"The QEG people have also spoken of a Fluke current clamp something like this:
http://www.transcat.com/Catalog/productdetail.aspx?itemnum=I310S&utm_source=google&utm_medium=base&gclid=CMvG-oLi4r8CFZTm7AodxnIAug
and I have no idea about what artifacts it might introduce into a measurement. I'd sure like to own one though."
It  Bandwidth is from  dc to 1 kHz so it's does not work for 400kHz or 1Mhz!

Her an excerpt from the Manufacturer PDF on the same link:
"Output Sensitivity 10 mV/A (30 A)
                            1 mV/A (300 A)
Accuracy
(30 A range) ± 1 % of reading ± 50 mA
(300 A range) ± 1 % of reading ± 300 mA
@25 °C, Bandwidth dc to 1 kHz
Bandwidth to Meet Accuracy Specification 1 kHz
Phase Shift below 1 kHz  < 2 degrees
Resolution
                                       ± 50 mA (30 A)
                                       ± 100 mA (300 A)
Load impedance > 10 k Ω and ≤ 100 pF"

@MarkE
"The principles are good, but the specific clamps are directed at much higher frequencies than in TinselKoala's application."
Yes I know, but I had some difficulties to find good links in english.
http://www.coilcraft.com/pwrsense.cfm, a example of industrial 50kHz to 1MHz CT.
http://www.digikey.com/Web%20Export/Common/icons/datasheet.png
For the this range of frequency, the the theory is the same.
Here a link in french: http://books.google.fr/books?id=b3-SFGPYJs4C&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=th%C3%A9orie+transfo+courant+hf&source=bl&ots=R8Yh6Yx8SY&sig=gXhjzx2wvz2-4KODTSU46nNVzN0&hl=fr&sa=X&ei=JanPU_OfMfLZ0QXRu4DQBw&ved=0CDEQ6AEwAzge#v=onepage&q=th%C3%A9orie%20transfo%20courant%20hf&f=false

1) If ωc is the low cutoff frequency ωc=R/L , R must be low and L big to have a low ωc...
More, the tranfert function  is Vs/Is=  k* ( i*ω/ωc)/(1+ i*ω/ωc)     with (i=sqt(-1))
and the phase shift: phi=atn(ωc/ω), so Phi is neat zero if ωc<<ω...
(if i don't make an error...)

2) The high limit is set by the core loss...
And the phase depend mainly of  ω/ωc.

@+
It is surprisingly tricky to make a really good current sensor that has a wide bandwidth and tight accuracy.  Tektronix has an excellent system that works from DC to past 100MHz, but costs about $6000. to get started.  Much narrower bandwidths are much easier.  Off the shelf $3. Hall Effect sensors manage 80kHz.  Many switching power supplies these days need to sense from DC to several MHz for pennies.  By far the most popular option is a current sense resistor of some form.  If one uses a low inductance configuration and/or compensates for the inductance that is intrinsic then one can get clean measurements without spending much money, all with certain caveats.  TinselKoala is running well below 1MHz.  There are a number of good options for him.

The sorts of problems that he is trying to solve and therefore the sorts of things that Ken Wyatt usually wants to measure are at frequencies well above what TinselKoala is interested in measuring.  TinselKoala will need a current sense transformer that has a cut-off frequency is well below those that Ken Wyatt would ordinarily use.  If TK could get one, a used Tektronix P6021 or P6022 would be nearly ideal.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 26, 2014, 03:08:03 PM
@TinselKoala
"The QEG people have shown the use of the Stangenes current transformer, I think this one:
http://electricalproducts.stangenes.com/item/current-transformers/wide-band-current-transformers/0-5-0-1w#Specifications (http://electricalproducts.stangenes.com/item/current-transformers/wide-band-current-transformers/0-5-0-1w#Specifications)
and I believe this to be a straight current-to-voltage type without any electronics inside."
 - No electronics inside, yes, and very good spec, yes, but don't forget it's a a "current to current" transformer, you need to connect it directly to the BNC 50ohm input of your oscilloscope to get this spec, and do not use the 1Mohm probe!
                       0.1Volt/Amp is with nominal R(50ohm). As for all other CT!
"Accuracy : ±0.5% initial pulse response for all models. Specifications for transformer ratio, accuracy, and droop are at open circuit. Rise time and bandwidth are when terminated with 50 ohms. All models are electrostatically shielded and have a 50 ohm output impedance."

@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 26, 2014, 04:01:07 PM
@MarE
"By far the most popular option is a current sense resistor of some form. If one uses a low inductance configuration..."
I agree totally with you. A 0.01 ohm purely resistive load even at 20A is perfect for these frequency.
And the signal it's large enough to make phase measurement...
And it cost nothing if made of thin wire of Cu, brass or even iron, if we keep R low enough. It's even possible to adjust R by scraping the little wire.
Just connect the ground probe between the R and the coil!
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 26, 2014, 04:44:35 PM
@MarE
"By far the most popular option is a current sense resistor of some form. If one uses a low inductance configuration..."
I agree totally with you. A 0.01 ohm purely resistive load even at 20A is perfect for these frequency.
And the signal it's large enough to make phase measurement...
And it cost nothing if made of thin wire of Cu, brass or even iron, if we keep R low enough. It's even possible to adjust R by scraping the little wire.
Just connect the ground probe between the R and the coil!
@+
There are also methods to use the coil itself as the sensor based on the coil resistance and inductance.  A lot of high current power supplies use that sort of method in order to avoid the power loss of a dedicated current sense resistor.  I have a colleague who is very good at implementing that method.  I'd rather avoid all the work and just use a dedicated current sense resistor of an appropriate value and power rating whenever I can.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 26, 2014, 09:19:57 PM
There are also methods to use the coil itself as the sensor based on the coil resistance and inductance.  A lot of high current power supplies use that sort of method in order to avoid the power loss of a dedicated current sense resistor.  I have a colleague who is very good at implementing that method.  I'd rather avoid all the work and just use a dedicated current sense resistor of an appropriate value and power rating whenever I can.
That is exactly what I am trying to do, to use the primary coil itself as the sensor for the current magnitude. Its DC resistance is negligible and its inductance is about 4.25 microHenry so its reactance at 303 kHz is about 8.1 Ohms. Neglecting capacitance which, in spite of the TBF winding, is also probably negligible, and solving Ip-p=Vp-p/Z I arrive at the p-p current value of about 10 A in the coil. But phase information is lacking and I thought that the CT method might inform me of the phase shift in the current, and it apparently has done. I think I am measuring a true phase shift of about 87 degrees. So using the Vp-p measured across the coil as both straight V and also for the I by the previous logic, and then solving (Vrms)x(Irms)x(cos87) I arrive at about 5.4 Watts real power in the coil, which tallies well with the input power to the system, being about 80 percent of the input. At least it is of the same order! Please let me know what you all think of the "legitimacy" of this procedure.

Now, all this might just be hand-waving and coincidence of errors, and I'm definitely learning the trade here. But I may be able to make better measurements as I get more information and comments and help as we have been doing here!

Unfortunately the tank circuit is very sensitive and inserting a CSR in series must be done carefully and with the right components. Every time I've tried it, even using the very good Ohmite NI resistors of 0.25 ohm, the resistors heat up rapidly so I only have seconds to take a scopeshot, but when I do I get Vdrop values that are relatively in line with current calculations based on the coil and its inductance alone.

Now... the real issue I am trying to address and that I don't want to bury, is the "real" QEG current measurement using their Stangenes CT.  Note that in the image below, the CT is connected to a BNC-to-Banana adapter and a scope probe is connected by its spring clips to the adapter. (insert facepalm here).
What phase artifacts are being introduced here? In later pics they do appear to have the transformer connected with an actual patch cord instead of the kludge, but the issue of _their_ actual and measured phase shift remains to be answered.

ETA: even when they used the actual patch cord... did they remember to set the scope channel's input impedance to 50 ohms instead of the default 1 megohm?
Inquiring minds want to know. Was this item used as C-to-V as I believe, or as C-to-C ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 26, 2014, 09:42:55 PM
Output of a web-based Z calculator, given the microQEG's 64 nanoFarad tank cap value and the (rounded) 4 microHenry primary inductance:

Ain't theory wonderful? Bada-bing!

ETA: Recall that I have measured the operating frequency as 303.59 kHz with the Philips counter, my most accurate instrument.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 26, 2014, 10:13:35 PM
That is exactly what I am trying to do, to use the primary coil itself as the sensor for the current magnitude. Its DC resistance is negligible and its inductance is about 4.25 microHenry so its reactance at 303 kHz is about 8.1 Ohms. Neglecting capacitance which, in spite of the TBF winding, is also probably negligible, and solving Ip-p=Vp-p/Z I arrive at the p-p current value of about 10 A in the coil. But phase information is lacking and I thought that the CT method might inform me of the phase shift in the current, and it apparently has done. I think I am measuring a true phase shift of about 87 degrees. So using the Vp-p measured across the coil as both straight V and also for the I by the previous logic, and then solving (Vrms)x(Irms)x(cos87) I arrive at about 5.4 Watts real power in the coil, which tallies well with the input power to the system, being about 80 percent of the input. At least it is of the same order! Please let me know what you all think of the "legitimacy" of this procedure.

Now, all this might just be hand-waving and coincidence of errors, and I'm definitely learning the trade here. But I may be able to make better measurements as I get more information and comments and help as we have been doing here!

Unfortunately the tank circuit is very sensitive and inserting a CSR in series must be done carefully and with the right components. Every time I've tried it, even using the very good Ohmite NI resistors of 0.25 ohm, the resistors heat up rapidly so I only have seconds to take a scopeshot, but when I do I get Vdrop values that are relatively in line with current calculations based on the coil and its inductance alone.

Now... the real issue I am trying to address and that I don't want to bury, is the "real" QEG current measurement using their Stangenes CT.  Note that in the image below, the CT is connected to a BNC-to-Banana adapter and a scope probe is connected by its spring clips to the adapter. (insert facepalm here).
What phase artifacts are being introduced here? In later pics they do appear to have the transformer connected with an actual patch cord instead of the kludge, but the issue of _their_ actual and measured phase shift remains to be answered.

ETA: even when they used the actual patch cord... did they remember to set the scope channel's input impedance to 50 ohms instead of the default 1 megohm?
Inquiring minds want to know. Was this item used as C-to-V as I believe, or as C-to-C ?
If you know the wire gauge and length then we can estimate the DC resistance.  But if jwL ~= 8.1 Ohms at the operating frequency and you've got 10A p-p ~= 7.1A rms ~= 50W/Ohm then as isim suggested, a 0.01Ohm 1W or larger non-inductive Kelvin resistor would do the job with no muss and no fuss.

The formula:  PREAL = VRMS * IRMS * COS(theta) is valid for undistorted sine waves.  You're waveforms look  pretty clean, so you're estimate passes basic sanity checks.

A 6" clip lead adds very roughly 60-120nH.  What they did was poor practice but would hardly create a gross error against a 4-5uH UUT.  The bigger problem is stray pick-up.  Lots of current and voltage switching around makes it easy to pollute the instrumentation.  Eliminating antennas, and suppressing common mode currents gets important.

Something like this mounted to a PCB would work: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/SR10-0.010-1%25/SR10-0.010-FCT-ND/2138980

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 26, 2014, 11:27:42 PM
The microQEG primary coil wire is about 171 cm of solid copper wire with diameter 1.59 mm. The coil is wound on a 3.25 inch OD cardboard form, 6 turns "Tesla BiFilar" closewound spaced by insulation, with 3 inch leadin legs. My inductance meter reads it between 4 and 5 microHenry and calculations seem to indicate it is right about 4.25 uH.

Unfortunately I am up against the limitations of my kit, I fear. I can't easily measure fractional-ohm resistances precisely so making a custom shunt for 0.01 ohms would be a matter of guesswork.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2014, 12:58:50 AM
OK, here is some more data. I was able to mount up the 0.25R precision Ohmite non-inductive resistor stack, and the insertion loss and heating wasn't as bad as I thought. (The traces of overheat on the resistors are from an earlier unfortunate event, but the resistors are still OK.) The data is noted on the scopeshot below. The CSR gives me the honest phase relationship as wired in, I think, but I am only measuring about 70-72 degrees. This is embarrassing because if it is correct, the real power in the coil is over 30 Watts, but I'm only putting in about 6 Watts DC power.

 :-\

The shot is taken with the TKTransverter in place and the light bulb glowing brightly.

ETA: The measured frequency is now 340.46 kHz, due to the insertion of the resistor, so there is some added inductance there.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 27, 2014, 01:21:42 AM
@TinselKoala
R=Rho*l/S   with Rho=1.7*E-8 Ohm m,  l the lenght in meter, S the surface in m²

3cm of Cu wire solded (inserted), on one of the cutted  leg of your air coil, may do the work.
you can even etalon the R with a DC current and a meter.
Don't forget to put 2 perpendiculaires wire on each end of th R, the have 2 goods connections points.
I don't have time this evening, but if you wont I will send you a drawing tomorow if this little schema don't make sens.
One leg: --------------
//  : the break in the leg
X  : solder
Wire who make resistor R : ____________
And |1 and |2 the 2 connections points well define
                     _____________
-----------------X------//-------X-------- Wounded coil
                      |1                  |2         |                 |
                                                       |                 |
------------------------------------------ Wounded coil

R=0.02 ohm is enough, at 10A you get 0.2V with P=0.02W...
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2014, 01:27:19 AM
Input for that run=
Straight DC, 11.95 V @ 0.58 A = 6.93 Watts

Output by scope measurement=
Vrms x Irms x cos72 =
26.51 V x 3.82 A x 0.309 = 31.3 Watts !!

COP = Out/In = 31.3/6.93 = 4.5

 :P

ETA: Phase angle from Lissajous figure:

sin ⁻¹(25.6÷27) = 71.47
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2014, 01:42:27 AM
@TinselKoala
R=Rho*l/S   with Rho=1.7*E-8 Ohm m,  l the lenght in meter, S the surface in m²

3cm of Cu wire solded (inserted), on one of the cutted  leg of your air coil, may do the work.
you can even etalon the R with a DC current and a meter.
Don't forget to put 2 perpendiculaires wire on each end of th R, the have 2 goods connections points.
I don't have time this evening, but if you wont I will send you a drawing tomorow if this little schema don't make sens.
One leg: --------------
//  : the break in the leg
X  : solder
Wire who make resistor R : ____________
And |1 and |2 the 2 connections points well define
                     _____________
-----------------X------//-------X-------- Wounded coil
                      |1                  |2         |                 |
                                                       |                 |
------------------------------------------ Wounded coil

R=0.02 ohm is enough, at 10A you get 0.2V with P=0.02W...
@+
Sure, I got it, but I think I'm already ahead of you. See above... I was able to use my 0.25 ohm Ohmite stack without as much disruption and heating as I expected, and I think I have valid results now. I'll try your suggestion anyway, as well, if I have time. Thanks for working on this! Please review my results above and let me know what you think. Why am I not seeing a full 90 degrees phase shift, or at least 87?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 27, 2014, 04:39:58 AM
The microQEG primary coil wire is about 171 cm of solid copper wire with diameter 1.59 mm. The coil is wound on a 3.25 inch OD cardboard form, 6 turns "Tesla BiFilar" closewound spaced by insulation, with 3 inch leadin legs. My inductance meter reads it between 4 and 5 microHenry and calculations seem to indicate it is right about 4.25 uH.

Unfortunately I am up against the limitations of my kit, I fear. I can't easily measure fractional-ohm resistances precisely so making a custom shunt for 0.01 ohms would be a matter of guesswork.
The DC resistance of that winding is about 15mOhms.  It is enough to use directly with a scope that has 20mV/div sensitivity to look at a 7Arms signal.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2014, 05:39:15 AM
So what's wrong now with just using the Ohmite 0.25 ohm stack as I have used it? It does produce some droop in the voltage but that is acceptable at this point, since it doesn't overheat very rapidly like I thought it would based on earlier experiments.

Meanwhile, here's another video update, showing what the QEG people have never, to my knowledge, been able to show from their constructions: running a motor from the output of the microQEG, with full and efficient RPM control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXrhRqlQE4

Those slackers! If they can't run a motor off their output, how are they ever going to get to self-looping? Are they tearing their hair (what's left of it) out right now? Or, perhaps they are working feverishly day and night, getting "resonance in the power band" over and over, reading those FAQs on be-do, yet flicking the switch and watching their baby die, deader than a doorknob, each and every time they try it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 27, 2014, 06:09:12 AM
So what's wrong now with just using the Ohmite 0.25 ohm stack as I have used it? It does produce some droop in the voltage but that is acceptable at this point, since it doesn't overheat very rapidly like I thought it would based on earlier experiments.

Meanwhile, here's another video update, showing what the QEG people have never, to my knowledge, been able to show from their constructions: running a motor from the output of the microQEG, with full and efficient RPM control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXrhRqlQE4

Those slackers! If they can't run a motor off their output, how are they ever going to get to self-looping? Are they tearing their hair (what's left of it) out right now? Or, perhaps they are working feverishly day and night, getting "resonance in the power band" over and over, reading those FAQs on be-do, yet flicking the switch and watching their baby die, deader than a doorknob, each and every time they try it.
The resistance that you insert alters the phase angle.  0.25 Ohms against jwL = 8 Ohms is about a 3 degree distortion.  0.25 Ohms is about 6W dissipation per resistor at 7A rms.  That's a lot of stress to impose on sub 1W resistors.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2014, 06:24:53 AM
The resistance that you insert alters the phase angle.  0.25 Ohms against jwL = 8 Ohms is about a 3 degree distortion.  0.25 Ohms is about 6W dissipation per resistor at 7A rms.  That's a lot of stress to impose on sub 1W resistors.

The resistors are 5 watt resistors, aren't they? WNER50FE

And at 11 Amps p-p, that is only about 3.9 A rms, isn't it?

http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/Voltage-rms-calculator.php (http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/Voltage-rms-calculator.php)

 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on July 27, 2014, 06:47:05 AM
So what's wrong now with just using the Ohmite 0.25 ohm stack as I have used it? It does produce some droop in the voltage but that is acceptable at this point, since it doesn't overheat very rapidly like I thought it would based on earlier experiments.

Meanwhile, here's another video update, showing what the QEG people have never, to my knowledge, been able to show from their constructions: running a motor from the output of the microQEG, with full and efficient RPM control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXrhRqlQE4

Those slackers! If they can't run a motor off their output, how are they ever going to get to self-looping? Are they tearing their hair (what's left of it) out right now? Or, perhaps they are working feverishly day and night, getting "resonance in the power band" over and over, reading those FAQs on be-do, yet flicking the switch and watching their baby die, deader than a doorknob, each and every time they try it.

Ahah TK, there is the only useful output is the motor or light bulb or other intended useful output. (The reason for the input in a real world situation) is the useful intended output. So what is the DC power output to the motor (just roughly).  ;)

And the unloaded and loaded input powers ?

Cheers
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2014, 06:56:52 AM
Ahah TK, there is the only useful output is the motor or light bulb or other intended useful output. (The reason for the input in a real world situation) is the useful intended output. So what is the DC power output to the motor (just roughly).  ;)

And the unloaded and loaded input powers ?

Cheers

The loaded and unloaded input powers can be seen in the video above.

But why are you demanding more from me, than the world is demanding from FTW QEG, James Robitaille and all the rest of the QEG teams around the world? I have already shown you much more than any of them have done, and I haven't even gotten a cheezburger for it. While the FTW people have spent, all told, something like half a million dollars and still haven't even run a motor on their outputs.

I'll tell you what. As soon as any of the big QEG teams demonstrates valid output measurements while their QEG powers a motor (not the other way around), I'll show the power output measurements from the TKTransverter powering MY motor. Fair enough?

 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2014, 07:17:09 AM
OK, let's do a quick review.

The MicroQEG produces pure sine wave outputs of current and voltage, so the equation Vrms * Irms * cos(phase angle) = Real Power is valid.
The FTW QEG.... not so much.

The MicroQEG is designed to oscillate at around 300-350 kHz... and it does, and plugging the measured values of its tank L and C into the resonant frequency equation yields X, Z, and F values that correspond with standard theory to within a few percent. And of course the performance (resonant frequency) is just as predicted.
The FTW QEG is supposed to resonate at 400 Hz, but every build we have seen resonates at between 90 and 150 Hz.

The MicroQEG has been demonstrated to be fully capable of driving a standard, commutated, DC motor with full speed control.
The FTW QEGs have never been shown to power anything other than light bulbs.

The MicroQEG is silent, except when driving its motor.
The FTW QEG.... not so much.

The MicroQEG is economical, compact, portable and safe to operate.
The FTW QEG... not so much.

The MicroQEG destroys about three dollars in parts if it should fail and "melt down" due to operator error. These parts are readily available world wide and are easily replaced.
The FTW QEG.... should the potted windings short out as many have already done, the whole thing becomes a big lump of useless mass and will cost thousands of dollars to restore to "functionality".

But.... the FTW QEG produces "Overunity in VARs!" by the principle of mechanically pumped parametric oscillation (the only conceivable link to anything Nikola Tesla ever patented).
The MicroQEG uses an ordinary type of auto-resonating oscillator that does not need varying parameters to work, and produces exactly the same kind of "evidence" for OU that the FTW QEG does: "Overunity in VARs!"  Furthermore the principle of extracting real power from this "OU in VARs" is clearly demonstrated by the MicroQEG and its matching TKTransverter, running the DC motor with full control. All we have that corresponds to this from FTW QEGs is the report from Florida, with no real measurements attached, and the usual light bulb loads. And of course the MicroQEG uses another, much less obscure Tesla patent, the Bifilar Primary Winding, disposed in a cylindrical form.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on July 27, 2014, 08:12:10 AM
The loaded and unloaded input powers can be seen in the video above.

But why are you demanding more from me, than the world is demanding from FTW QEG, James Robitaille and all the rest of the QEG teams around the world? I have already shown you much more than any of them have done, and I haven't even gotten a cheezburger for it. While the FTW people have spent, all told, something like half a million dollars and still haven't even run a motor on their outputs.

I'll tell you what. As soon as any of the big QEG teams demonstrates valid output measurements while their QEG powers a motor (not the other way around), I'll show the power output measurements from the TKTransverter powering MY motor. Fair enough?

 8)

Well I'll tell you why. The reason is because I'm not really interested in what they are doing and claiming, they are full of it.

But I am interested in what you are doing and showing and what more you can show and likely will show. I hope I didn't read as
demanding. Just asking. I might well try a similar setup, but I won't be getting as serious about the measurements, unless I see
something out of the ordinary.

I'll look closer at the video.  :)

I guess I should be asking for

1) The loaded input and output as well as the loop power.
2) The unloaded input and loop power. (No load no output)

I must say I'm probably a bit confused. Are you considering the power dissipated by the CSR as "output" ? Because I think
that is valid. In that case then 2) would include asking for the output.

My small Tesla coils with the bottom of the secondary connected can also run a small DC motor so I think I can not really replicate but show similar. By the time I get the circuit made up this thread might be dead.

I think your TKTransverter looks like the secondary of an air core resonant transformer.

It is my opinion that some fakers use that method by hiding the primary and just showing the secondary with load. Or they similarly do as some of us have done with two transformers and show the receiver transformer of a two transformer setup
and by hiding (not showing) the transmitter (power supply) they can use one wire and call it the Earth wire and say they are
getting power from the ground. The system will work with both the transmitter and receiver transformers both connected to the same Earth stake (which is more efficient than putting ground between two earth stakes at HF) but that's off topic, slightly related. Akula - Tariel territory.
Less losses to go directly from primary to the secondary with load if no distance is to be overcome.

I agree with your review.

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P.S. I simply think of the "transmitter" of a two transformer setup as the "AC generator" power supply and the receiver as the translating device. AC generator meaning a generator of AC power from a DC input.
So it's basic power supply to transformer stuff with some resonance.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2014, 08:49:44 AM
Well I'll tell you why. The reason is because I'm not really interested in what they are doing and claiming, they are full of it.
Well, yes, they are but I think many of "them" are just dupes, hopeful believers in what they've been told and what was implied to them by HopeGirl and James Robitaille. I think a lot of those people would not have jumped in with both feet so quickly, had James and HopeGirl made sure that the Truth was fully known to those people in the beginning. At the present time I know that there are still other people and groups who are thinking about taking the plunge and spending thousands of dollars on what we know will be a failed project. If any of those people or groups, viewing my videos, will simply slow down and wait at least until James himself shows the long-promised, only-hours-away self running QEG before spending their own money, then that is a good result. And if it turns out that James _cannot_ in fact demonstrate any self runner, then those people might be a little thankful for my videos. Or maybe not, whatever. I'll know it was all worthwhile, if someone only sends me a cheezburger.
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But I am interested in what you are doing and showing and what more you can show and likely will show. I hope I didn't read as
demanding. Just asking.
No worries mate, I'm just trying to make things perfectly clear to whoever might be watching. Suppress me, will they? I have tricks I haven't shown anyone yet.
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I might well try a similar setup, but I won't be getting as serious about the measurements, unless I see
something out of the ordinary.

I'll look closer at the video.  :)

I guess I should be asking for

1) The loaded input and output as well as the loop power.
The loop power is shown in the scopeshot above and in the video. This is "loaded", running the light, and running the motor doesn't change it much. Raises the frequency a little bit, draws a bit more current and since the battery is flat, the loop voltage sags a few volts. The loaded input power can be seen in the video above, where I vary the coupling by rotating the inner TransVerter coil while you can hear the motor and see the input DMM readings. What you are (rightly) calling the "output power" will just have to wait, sorry, until we see something like that from FTW QEG builders.
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2) The unloaded input and loop power. (No load no output)
Unloaded input power is seen at the very beginning of the video. Well, the LEDs are lit but I'm told that that isn't really a load. Right. Loop power, as I said, doesn't change much whether or not the device is loaded. Input power goes up with load, as you might expect, and this is shown in the video.
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I must say I'm probably a bit confused. Are you considering the power dissipated by the CSR as "output" ?
Not really, although it is included in the loop for measurement purposes.
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Because I think
that is valid. In that case then 2) would include asking for the output.

My small Tesla coils with the bottom of the secondary connected can also run a small DC motor so I think I can not really replicate but show similar. By the time I get the circuit made up this thread might be dead.
I am sure that you can run a motor, completely disconnected, from your TCs if you make a resonant receiver according to the principles shown in the video. Use a tank capacitor close to the value of the TC's distributed capacitance, wind a corresponding air core or ferrite core inductor to make the "receiver" resonate at the TC's frequency (doesn't need to be a clean straight single layer solenoid like the TC's secondary), lead an ultrafast, HV diode off one side of the tank into a reservoir cap (very important) and then hook the motor across the reservoir cap.
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I think your TKTransverter looks like the secondary of an air core resonant transformer.

D'ya think? But what about those other components, the HWB and reservoir cap? That makes it a full-on AC-to-DC receiver/inverter, doesn't it?
 ;)
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It is my opinion that some fakers use that method by hiding the primary and just showing the secondary with load. Or they similarly do as some of us have done with two transformers and show the receiver transformer of a two transformer setup
and by hiding (not showing) the transmitter (power supply) they can use one wire and call it the Earth wire and say they are
getting power from the ground. The system will work with both the transmitter and receiver transformers both connected to the same Earth stake (which is more efficient than putting ground between two earth stakes at HF) but that's off topic, slightly related. Akula - Tariel territory.
Less losses to go directly from primary to the secondary with load if no distance is to be overcome.
This is exactly my opinion as well. When I found out Ruslan is closely associated with a commercial FM broadcast station, that sealed the deal as far as I am concerned. And the newest Wesley video is a hoot, isn't it? People walking a couple feet away from a kW-class TC with a big toroid on top, video cameras in hand... I am laughing in my coffee.
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I agree with your review.

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P.S. I simply think of the "transmitter" of a two transformer setup as the "AC generator" power supply and the receiver as the translating device. AC generator meaning a generator of AC power from a DC input.
So it's basic power supply to transformer stuff with some resonance.

..

Yep, that's what it is. But it turns out to be an interesting learning opportunity, once again. Some lessons are just more expensive than others, I suppose. I just wish I had a cheezburger now and then.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 27, 2014, 10:08:22 AM
The resistors are 5 watt resistors, aren't they? WNER50FE

And at 11 Amps p-p, that is only about 3.9 A rms, isn't it?

http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/Voltage-rms-calculator.php (http://www.learningaboutelectronics.com/Articles/Voltage-rms-calculator.php)

 ;)
Two issues.  I misinterpreted the pp as the half peak, so there's a big difference there.  RMS is 0.1250.5*pp or 0.354*Vpp.  The second is that I thought you were using 1W resistors instead of 5W resistors.  11App = 15.13A2 mean squared, or 15.13W/Ohm.  Total dissipation in two 0.5 Ohm resistors in parallel will be 3.78W, and 1.9W in each resistor.  So the bottom line is that you should be fine.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 27, 2014, 10:36:24 AM
There has been MORE open sourcing and publishing of results and metrics on page 134 of this thread covering the miniqeg than what was came out of the entire 9 months of this FTW qeg boondoggle.

When the tv documentaries cover this qeg craze as they have so many other cults I hope they use this thread and TK efforts to show real open sourcing as a comparison to how FTW should have done it.

Take a look at this video where a guy wakes up to qeg fraud:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaTrlfU-Zzg
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on July 27, 2014, 05:38:37 PM
There has been MORE open sourcing and publishing of results and metrics on page 134 of this thread covering the miniqeg than what was came out of the entire 9 months of this FTW qeg boondoggle.

When the tv documentaries cover this qeg craze as they have so many other cults I hope they use this thread and TK efforts to show real open sourcing as a comparison to how FTW should have done it.

Take a look at this video where a guy wakes up to qeg fraud:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaTrlfU-Zzg

That video is very good to see. It shows just how easy it is to scam people with hope and little logic or understanding
of power and energy. I'm no expert just an amateur hack but I can understand the basics of energy delivery and
reactive power only because I learned some by free tuition from SeaMonkey on a different site. Still it took some
research and experiments before things clicked and the logic was seen.

It also shows the value of the technical guys and that they do save a lot of people from wasting money on scams.
The guy in the video is only interested in free energy he doesn't seem to care too much about the details. But he has
some discretion and he used it well. Good on him for making the video to tell of his experience.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 27, 2014, 05:48:39 PM
There has been MORE open sourcing and publishing of results and metrics on page 134 of this thread covering the miniqeg than what was came out of the entire 9 months of this FTW qeg boondoggle.

When the tv documentaries cover this qeg craze as they have so many other cults I hope they use this thread and TK efforts to show real open sourcing as a comparison to how FTW should have done it.

Take a look at this video where a guy wakes up to qeg fraud:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaTrlfU-Zzg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaTrlfU-Zzg)

Good video.  And so it begins...

The truth is hard to suppress so hopefully, many others will finally get it and folks will stop investing in this mess.

What about the 5,000 Chinese engineers?  I wonder if they "get it" yet?  (Of course, they probably never existed anyway)

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2014, 05:55:43 PM
Two issues.  I misinterpreted the pp as the half peak, so there's a big difference there.  RMS is 0.1250.5*pp or 0.354*Vpp.  The second is that I thought you were using 1W resistors instead of 5W resistors.  11App = 15.13A2 mean squared, or 15.13W/Ohm.  Total dissipation in two 0.5 Ohm resistors in parallel will be 3.78W, and 1.9W in each resistor.  So the bottom line is that you should be fine.
That's good because I feel fine.   ;)

It's clear to me that you have "forgotten" more than I will ever know about power electronics! No worries mate, I think it's like swimming or riding a bike, it comes back quickly when needed.   :D

The resistors didn't heat excessively during the few minutes of off and on that I spent collecting the data. This puzzles me a bit since I tried the same resistors in another version of the same kind of device, only optimized more for distance transmission at around 800 kHz with a much lower inductance transmitting loop, and with that one the resistors became too hot really quickly, in just a few seconds. This experience is why I was hesitant to try them in the MicroQEG. But evidently the difference in frequency and the higher loop inductance in the MicroQEG made a big difference in how much of the "VARs" the resistors dissipate as real power.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 27, 2014, 06:08:31 PM
The resistance that you insert alters the phase angle.  0.25 Ohms against jwL = 8 Ohms is about a 3 degree distortion.  (snip)
Ok, that's expected. Now I believe that the true phase angle should be close to 90 degrees, probably around 87 degrees. A couple of different measurements have arrived at the 72 degree value, though, like this most recent one with the CSR. I would like to be able to "balance the books" if you know what I mean. So what can account for the reduced phase angle I seem to be measuring on the scope? How can I tease out the separate contributions to the phase angle measurement, without spending any money or developing special instrumentation buffer amps and filter networks?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 27, 2014, 09:50:41 PM
I popped over to the Be-Do forum and it is as moribund as ever.  Like usual, there is almost nothing going on.

The "new thread" with the link to Naima Feagin's big blog post "Transparent Assessment of Challenges Faced During FTW QEG 3-Month Global Build Tour. Plus, target date for Phase 3 (Self Running) Completion." has one single reply and 393 views after 10 days.

Jamie has been back in Pa. for several weeks now and there is no news from him at all.  Laughingly, there is that clip of the fifth QEG to reach resonance.  That means that there are four non-working QEGs around the world and one non-working one in Pa.

August is just around the corner.  There will be no announcement of a self-runner that outputs nine kilowatts into a series of electric baseboard heaters sitting on the floor in the barn.  There will be nothing.

I can only imagine an "attempt to save face" video put out come early August that shows that they are "actually trying to do something."

The one question is if the poor limp noodles on the Be-Do forum (many of them presumably still reading here (like Germans in WWII putting their ears up to their radios to listen to the BBC)) will start to grow spines and cast off the "thoughtcrime" chains and actually speak their minds.  If poor Larry has to continuously delete postings the users on Be-do could share that information with IMs and eventually the truth about what people really think will have to come out.

I would not shed a tear if the whole thing implodes and the forum shuts down and a new forum starts up called "Survivors of the QEG Fiasco."   People could share their thoughts and talk about all the money they lost and all of the FTW promises that were broken.

Like the smell of napalm in the morning.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 27, 2014, 10:06:00 PM
Ok, that's expected. Now I believe that the true phase angle should be close to 90 degrees, probably around 87 degrees. A couple of different measurements have arrived at the 72 degree value, though, like this most recent one with the CSR. I would like to be able to "balance the books" if you know what I mean. So what can account for the reduced phase angle I seem to be measuring on the scope? How can I tease out the separate contributions to the phase angle measurement, without spending any money or developing special instrumentation buffer amps and filter networks?
I suspect that any erroneous phase shift is caused by:

1) Induction loop between scope probe commons and the scope chassis, and/or
2) Parasitic loading of the voltage measurement.

I would try the following:

Make up a 501:1 50 Ohm resistor divider ( 25K Ohm / 50 Ohm ), with the common side of the 50 Ohm reistor to the current probe common and use that with straight coax to the scope set for 50 Ohms at the input.  The 25K load will be very light on the 75V pp signal, and you will still have 150mV pp to work with.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 28, 2014, 12:10:13 AM
@TinselKoala
"Ok, that's expected. Now I believe that the true phase angle should be close to 90 degrees, probably around 87 degrees. A couple of different measurements have arrived at the 72 degree value, though, like this most recent one with the CSR. I would like to be able to "balance the books" if you know what I mean. So what can account for the reduced phase angle I seem to be measuring on the scope? How can I tease out the separate contributions to the phase angle measurement, without spending any money or developing special instrumentation buffer amps and filter networks? "

I do a simulation of your miniQEG, and I found that to have a Phase shift of 74° (approximately), I need to load the OC(oscillating circuit) with a serial resistor of approximately r=1.5ohm (plus R=0.25ohm). For me this resistor is:
1) an default in your circuit. (I don't thinks so)
2) an external load, your "receptor" for example.
3) an other parasitic load???
If this resistor is <0.5ohm the shift phase become 87°...
I will give you more information and pictures tomorrow evening.
Can you do a test with and without the "receptor"?
Thanks
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 28, 2014, 01:52:37 AM
@TinselKoala
"Ok, that's expected. Now I believe that the true phase angle should be close to 90 degrees, probably around 87 degrees. A couple of different measurements have arrived at the 72 degree value, though, like this most recent one with the CSR. I would like to be able to "balance the books" if you know what I mean. So what can account for the reduced phase angle I seem to be measuring on the scope? How can I tease out the separate contributions to the phase angle measurement, without spending any money or developing special instrumentation buffer amps and filter networks? "

I do a simulation of your miniQEG, and I found that to have a Phase shift of 74° (approximately), I need to load the OC(oscillating circuit) with a serial resistor of approximately r=1.5ohm (plus R=0.25ohm). For me this resistor is:
1) an default in your circuit. (I don't thinks so)
2) an external load, your "receptor" for example.
3) an other parasitic load???
If this resistor is <0.5ohm the shift phase become 87°...
I will give you more information and pictures tomorrow evening.
Can you do a test with and without the "receptor"?
Thanks
@+
I've tried to keep the tank circuit current paths as short and symmetrical as possible and I'm using heavy conductors and huge copper areas on the PCB. I am pretty sure there isn't any great resistance introduced in this current path by my construction.These most recent measurements were done with IRF830 mosfets though. Could the higher Rdss of these mosfets be the "missing resistance" in the tank circuit to account for the phase discrepancy? But the mosfets are in screw-clamp sockets for ease of replacement, these may be introducing a little bit of series resistance over what a soldered connection would do.

As far as I can tell by casually looking at the scope, the presence or absence of an external load, the "receptor" driving a lamp or motor, doesn't affect the phase angle, just the amplitudes of V and I and the frequency slightly. The phase measurements above were made with the receptor and light bulb in place but not driving the motor.

ETA: This turns out to be incorrect, there is a phase difference whether or not the motor load is being driven. See below.

Yes, later this evening I will be happy to do some actual phase angle measurements with and without the receptor driving a heavy load. But I am all out of really low Rdss mosfets and will have to stay with the 830s until tomorrow, when my replacement 3205s are scheduled to arrive.

In your simulation, I imagine you cannot simulate the Tesla Bifilar winding of the primary tank's loop. I will also make another loop coil with ordinary solenoidal winding but the same amount of wire, for comparison. But of course that will remove the "tesla magic" from my  apparatus.
 :-[
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 28, 2014, 02:04:46 AM
I suspect that any erroneous phase shift is caused by:

1) Induction loop between scope probe commons and the scope chassis, and/or
2) Parasitic loading of the voltage measurement.

I would try the following:

Make up a 501:1 50 Ohm resistor divider ( 25K Ohm / 50 Ohm ), with the common side of the 50 Ohm reistor to the current probe common and use that with straight coax to the scope set for 50 Ohms at the input.  The 25K load will be very light on the 75V pp signal, and you will still have 150mV pp to work with.
I think I'm following you here but it would be nice, just to be sure, if you could sketch up a little diagram of the divider and the connections to DUT and scope.

The Tek 2213a's inputs are hardwired to 1 megohm impedance, and so are the HP180a's and the RM503's. I think I can set the Link DSO's input impedance to 50 ohms, let me fire it up and check.

ETA: Nope, the Link inputs are also hardwired at 1 Meg, 5 pf.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 28, 2014, 02:34:27 AM
I think I'm following you here but it would be nice, just to be sure, if you could sketch up a little diagram of the divider and the connections to DUT and scope.

The Tek 2213a's inputs are hardwired to 1 megohm impedance, and so are the HP180a's and the RM503's. I think I can set the Link DSO's input impedance to 50 ohms, let me fire it up and check.

ETA: Nope, the Link inputs are also hardwired at 1 Meg, 5 pf.
At 50 Ohms, the divider impedance should be low enough that it is essentially unaffected at 300kHz by a normal 10X probe.  The 10 Meg resistor is optional.  Without it, the attenuation is 501V/V instead of 500V/V.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 28, 2014, 03:43:48 AM
OK.... thanks for making the diagram... I'll see what I can do.

Meanwhile the motor load in the "receptor" or TKTransverter does cause some phase shift from the non-loaded state. Here are two shots comparing "receptor with motor load" and "no receptor at all". The external loopstick lighting the three LEDs is operating for both shots though.

This is the best x-y display that the old Link DSO will give me. I can't make quantitative measurements of phase angle from that Lissajous figure, except to say that the "no load" one is almost perfectly circular indicating 90 degrees phase angle. But I may be able to do it with cursors and math on the time-domain screen. Let me fiddle around a bit.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 28, 2014, 04:08:45 AM
At 50 Ohms, the divider impedance should be low enough that it is essentially unaffected at 300kHz by a normal 10X probe.  The 10 Meg resistor is optional.  Without it, the attenuation is 501V/V instead of 500V/V.

Ok.. but let's back up a square or two.

If I remove the 0R25 CVR and go back to the unadulterated tank circuit, I can get an accurate measure of the voltage swing in the tank simply by connecting the 10x probe with its 1 meg impedance and its about 25 pF capacitance directly across the coil. This measurement will be phase shifted very slightly by the probe, but if both channels use matched probes these shifts should be equal in both channels, right?

But... if I have an accurate measure of the voltage swing in the tank, this is _also_ equivalent to the Vdrop across the tank's impedance, isn't it? And thus this waveform can be converted into the _amplitude_ waveform of the current, by the AC version of Ohm's Law. All that is lacking for the power determination is the true phase of the calculated current waveform wrt the measured voltage waveform. Both have been shown to be pure sinusoids. So, if the impedance is known, and the phase angle is known (from some other measurement that may not provide current amplitude information) the real power can be calculated by the Vrms * Irms * cos(theta) equation.  Right?
Several different methods have shown that the current p-p amplitude is in the 8-10 A range. The most best method of determining the true phase angle comes up with right about 90 degrees unloaded and about 72 degrees loaded. I think.

So is it actually possible to dispense with dividers and CSRs and such, and actually use the loop itself as its own current monitor, and derive the true current amplitude as described above? And is there some other, non-intrusive, way of confirming the true phase shift in the signals themselves, as opposed to the measurements of the signals?

I do have a 100x probe, brand new, if that will help at all.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 28, 2014, 04:50:05 AM
Ok.. but let's back up a square or two.

If I remove the 0R25 CVR and go back to the unadulterated tank circuit, I can get an accurate measure of the voltage swing in the tank simply by connecting the 10x probe with its 1 meg impedance and its about 25 pF capacitance directly across the coil. This measurement will be phase shifted very slightly by the probe, but if both channels use matched probes these shifts should be equal in both channels, right?

But... if I have an accurate measure of the voltage swing in the tank, this is _also_ equivalent to the Vdrop across the tank's impedance, isn't it? And thus this waveform can be converted into the _amplitude_ waveform of the current, by the AC version of Ohm's Law. All that is lacking for the power determination is the true phase of the calculated current waveform wrt the measured voltage waveform. Both have been shown to be pure sinusoids. So, if the impedance is known, and the phase angle is known (from some other measurement that may not provide current amplitude information) the real power can be calculated by the Vrms * Irms * cos(theta) equation.  Right?
Several different methods have shown that the current p-p amplitude is in the 8-10 A range. The most best method of determining the true phase angle comes up with right about 90 degrees unloaded and about 72 degrees loaded. I think.

So is it actually possible to dispense with dividers and CSRs and such, and actually use the loop itself as its own current monitor, and derive the true current amplitude as described above? And is there some other, non-intrusive, way of confirming the true phase shift in the signals themselves, as opposed to the measurements of the signals?

I do have a 100x probe, brand new, if that will help at all.
You are getting loaded down somewhere that is not clear.  I ran some numbers on representative scope probe models and garden variety 10X probes should not be causing the amount of phase shift from 90 degrees that you are seeing.  Some thought is required.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 28, 2014, 05:01:07 AM
You are getting loaded down somewhere that is not clear.  I ran some numbers on representative scope probe models and garden variety 10X probes should not be causing the amount of phase shift from 90 degrees that you are seeing.  Some thought is required.
Well, think about this then. Phase angle data derived from cursor positions wrt the zero-crossings of the two signals, using the 10x probes, in two conditions: TKTransverter (receptor) in place driving light and motor; and no receptor in place. Measurements taken within minutes of each other, basically just time taking the screenshots.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 28, 2014, 06:11:55 AM
Ah... how about this as a source of artifact:

I used my two newest probes, a matched set of cheapo P6100 100 MHz labeled items, for the Link DSO measurements above. But for the earlier, analog measurements I used a different set of probes, not matched, one is marked P2100 100 MHz and is switchable 1x/10x and has the trimcap in the BNC connector end, and the other is "API" brand, 10x only, not switchable and has the trimcap in the probe body.

So this is probably a big "fail" and I need to repeat the analog measurements with the matched p6100s, or the digital measurements with the unmatched set, to check for probe artifacts. Ah well, another pot of coffee....


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ETA: Nope, that's not it. I used the unmatched probes to make the same measurements as above, and got the same results: Unloaded, right at 90 degrees, and Loaded, around 82 degrees.

So, is my Tek 2213a somehow lying to me?

ETA2: Hmmmmmm.... maybe it's just my technique, or the phase of the moon or something. Now, the Tek is giving me almost the same result as the DSO, quite near 90 degrees unloaded and a few degrees less, not 18 or 20, for the loaded situation, using the unmatched probe set as before.

So I'm assigning a possible range, based on these more precise measurements: Unloaded, the phase angle is between 88 and 90 degrees. Loaded it is between 81 and 83 degrees.  I may be able to get more precise than that with more careful use of the DSO, but this is actually close enough for my purposes.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 28, 2014, 07:07:53 AM
Any load that dissipates energy should pull the thing off of 90 degrees.  That includes internal dissipation.  The 90.8 degrees is believable.  The greater the actual load power the less the resonator rings, which of course you know. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 28, 2014, 07:20:06 AM
Any load that dissipates energy should pull the thing off of 90 degrees.  That includes internal dissipation.  The 90.8 degrees is believable.  The greater the actual load power the less the resonator rings, which of course you know.
Of course, and that is one of the points of this whole exploration. One can indeed convert the resonant tank's "Overunity in VARs" into Real Power that can power a load and be dissipated in the load. But as one increases the load, the "OU" drops and drops, until one is drawing power out of the tank as fast as the prime mover source can replace it and there is no voltage rise in the resonant tank. The QEG's Q has plummeted, turned into a zero, so to speak.

Note that the MicroQEG automagically adjusts its resonant frequency, compensating for the changes in load, to stay in a true resonant condition. The FTW QEG, being mechanically pumped at its resonant frequency, will require some kind of phase-locked motor controller system to compensate for the change in the tank resonant frequency as the load on its output changes. But of course they will never even get that far, since they won't be able to extract anything like 100 percent of the mechanical input power to the parametric oscillator, their system is so lossy.

ETA: Internal dissipation: So the use of the IRF830, with its Rdss of 1.5 ohms, is probably the source of the "problem". The IRF3205, which I started with and will use again as soon as they arrive, has 0.008 ohm Rdss.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 28, 2014, 09:44:58 AM
Wow. Just wow.
Here are a couple quotes from HypeGirl back in April.

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FIX THE WORLD PUBLIC STATEMENT:
We are not in the prove it business, we are in the do it business. We are doing the work, teaching others how to do it and showing the process so that it is available to all. The most important thing is to get this technology directly into the hands of the people, which is what we are doing. Our working prototype will be proven to the world through the people who believe in free energy enough to do the work needed to bring it out of suppression. Therefore the people will be the ones to make the announcements, which will be more effective, and the people will get all the glory.
130 years ago, Nikola Tesla designed an over unity fuelless generator  that could provide enough power to power your home. This technology was heavily suppressed as a way to control the people of this planet through dependence on oil.  Tesla’s designs and patents are in the public domain.
Through research, study, help from others, divine inspiration, and over 30 years of electronics engineering experience, James Robitaille of the Fix the World Organization (FTW) took one 1-hour class with an organization who has been building (and suppressing) these generators for over 20 years, and was able to figure out how to build it.  We raised the money for the prototype through crowdfunding and donations from over 1,000 people who believed in us. It took us 5 months to build the prototype, and once we got raw power, on March 25th of 2014 we open sourced the plans and gave away the technology to the world.  Our Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) provides 10KW of power output for less than 1KW input, which it supplies to itself. Now that this raw power source is achieved and shared so freely, there will be many variations and improvements. Humanity will be co-developing the future of the QEG, and will be free from the enslavement of the oil and energy industries.


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Immediately after open sourcing the Fix the World QEG family attended a Prepare for Change Cobra conference in Taipei. We showed a presentation video of the QEG working prototype. Many who attended that conference are spreading the QEG knowledge all over the world. Cobra and his contacts from the light forces came to the factory where we are building QEGs to observe the operation for themselves. They are very impressed and we have the full backing and support of the Resistance Movement. Plans for larger scale production and parts sourcing are underway.
 
Teams of engineers are forming in more countries than we can count to build QEG’s.  Our first hands on experience is here in Taiwan with a group of engineers, many of which came from China who plan to bring the knowledge back to China. These “Men of China” have spent a small fortune and waited for a month just to get Visas to be here in Taiwan for QEG training. They have raised a large sum of money to begin QEG production in China. We were told from a high level contact that the QEG plans will be shared with 5,000 engineers in China who will be making as many innovations on the QEG as possible and open sourcing the plans for each one.
 Already we have seen plans for improvements and innovations to the QEG, the engineers of the world are taking full creative license on what can be done once you have achieved an over unity power source. Many are very excited.
One of our suppliers Torelco, is extremely excited about the high demand for processed cores, and many orders have been placed in the last week from all over the world. They are rearranging their workforce  to handle the demand and working to get the best possible price for people.  They are charging $3,000 for the complete processed core which is a great price, and does not include shipping.
 We recommend Torelco for purchasing a finished core which includes laminated steel core and rotor, all mica components, magnet wire, sleeving, spacer blocks, mylar tape and outerwrap tape, 8 inch through-bolts, nuts, washers, Nomex corner insulation and toroidal winding. Since open sourcing, we have learned that our other supplier, Polaris, will charge you double for the bare generator sets. Torelco will give you a much better price for a bare core as well.   As FTW continues to roll out the distribution plan, and more connections across the world are made, we think CICUs will be commonplace and hence, QEG parts will be more accessible (many people will be making them!)
 Please Watch for Updated User Manuals as development progresses. They will be here: http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/qeg-open-source-documents.html (http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/qeg-open-source-documents.html)


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FTW Next Steps for QEG
We are getting more questions than we can answer individually, and we want to help as much as we can. To help with this information flow we will be doing a free weekly radio show with James Robitaille and HopeGirl on Mission I’m Possible Radio called “Ask James about the QEG”. Here, people can call in or send questions that James and Hope will answer on the air. The shows will be archived, and we will find a transcriber to type out all of the Questions and Answers and post them in forums for others to find the answers they need. Check the radio station for scheduled show times: http://www.blogtalkradio.com/expandinguradio (http://www.blogtalkradio.com/expandinguradio)
(emphasis mine)

All this, and more, back in April.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/14-sample-data-articles/119-the-quantum-energy-generator (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/14-sample-data-articles/119-the-quantum-energy-generator)


But now we see the origins: Robitaille took a one hour class from Timmy Thrapp, during which he no doubt saw a brief presentation of Timmy's "running" QEG. And since Jamie paid (or had someone else pay) a _lot_ of money for the class, of course the information received is highly valued. It's an old trick of marketing.


There is one good thing that will come of all of this, once the dust settles and everyone admits that the things just won't actually work and never have. It will make people more skeptical of Timothy Thrapp and WITTS and their stable full of OU FE machines... that somehow don't prevent them from having to pay an electric bill every month just like everyone else.




 



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 28, 2014, 06:11:24 PM
@Tinselkoala,


"I will also make another loop coil with ordinary solenoidal winding but the same amount of wire, for comparison. But of course that will remove the "tesla magic" from my  apparatus".

I'll bet you any amount of money it won't work!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 28, 2014, 08:40:31 PM
There is a recent post suggesting that successfully "conditioning" the QEG using the exciter coil to achieve OU could take weeks, months and possibly even years - various reference sources are sited to prove there point of view. They point to the fact that the exciter coil is not required once conditioned. We are now in the realm of metaphysics and religion, and this is the perfect out for Hopeless Girl and Jamie. I guess they will set up a commune or some thing on "all that land they have."

The whole thing has already gone tits up. The Florida guys have not been heard from in quite a while after posting several videos measuring reactive power. There is no further news from the UK or from any other place that built one of these boat anchors. Even South Africa which was days away from achieving resonance has been quite for over three weeks. Nothing from Canada either. I think these teams quickly realize that this is a crock of @$#% and are too embarrassed to show their face again on the be-do forum. Activity on be-do has dried up to just a few new posts each day, mostly speculating on what will happen when they achieve OU. After all if I had dumped $10K into three cores like Orlando team did I would not what to show my face again either.

It may be the case that these teams do share their results back on the forum but they get censored out and are never made public. I suspect they are simply cut off.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 28, 2014, 08:47:12 PM
Don't be too surprised if the next revelation from the  from the Robitailles is that there machine will only achieve overunity when it incorporates a working EESTOR capacitor.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 28, 2014, 09:43:38 PM
@Tinselkoala,


"I will also make another loop coil with ordinary solenoidal winding but the same amount of wire, for comparison. But of course that will remove the "tesla magic" from my  apparatus".

I'll bet you any amount of money it won't work!
Before I take your money ( maybe  ;) ) I would like you to define exactly what you mean by "work" in this context. How will the solenoidal coil work differently than the TBC? I have not yet tried it, so I don't know. But you seem to.... so please, before I start, what is your exact prediction?

(No, I won't really take your bet. But if there isn't any difference that we can detect (I'll gladly do tests you suggest if I can manage them) then you can haz me a cheezburger. Fair enough?)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 28, 2014, 09:57:52 PM
There is a recent post suggesting that successfully "conditioning" the QEG using the exciter coil to achieve OU could take weeks, months and possibly even years - various reference sources are sited to prove there point of view. They point to the fact that the exciter coil is not required once conditioned. We are now in the realm of metaphysics and religion, and this is the perfect out for Hopeless Girl and Jamie. I guess they will set up a commune or some thing on "all that land they have."
They won't have all that land very long once a good lawyer or two gets hold of this story. The people who spent their money based on the lies, false claims and promises made were defrauded, plain and simple. Just because much of that money may not have made it directly into the pockets or vacation funds of HopeGirl and James Robitaille doesn't absolve them of legal liability. In my opinion of course; I am not a lawyer. But if I were one of the builders... I would certainly be consulting with one right about now.

The "conditioning" story is the classic out. Imagine: all over the world, we know teams of QEG builders will be "conditioning" their devices -- IF they can take the HV strain without shorting out as several or many cores already have done -- for weeks and weeks, and still will never obtain any self-runner. What data will convince them that they are pissing up a rope? Somebody needs to sit down and figure that out: how will you know you have failed and that the effort is and has always been futile?  I can tell them, for a small fee of course.

Quote

The whole thing has already gone tits up. The Florida guys have not been heard from in quite a while after posting several videos measuring reactive power. There is no further news from the UK or from any other place that built one of these boat anchors. Even South Africa which was days away from achieving resonance has been quite for over three weeks. Nothing from Canada either. I think these teams quickly realize that this is a crock of @$#% and are too embarrassed to show their face again on the be-do forum. Activity on be-do has dried up to just a few new posts each day, mostly speculating on what will happen when they achieve OU. After all if I had dumped $10K into three cores like Orlando team did I would not what to show my face again either.

I really really feel sorry for those people who have ordered cores and paid their deposits to Torelco and are in the five-week waiting period. They spent their money, or half of it anyhow, they know already that the thing won't work, but they don't even have their cores yet! That has got to hurt.

Quote
It may be the case that these teams do share their results back on the forum but they get censored out and are never made public. I suspect they are simply cut off.

Maybe... but it is more likely that work has paused and that all eyes are turned towards Pennsylvania, waiting. Can you imagine the pressure Jamie must be feeling right now? I'd love to see a webcam streaming live from that barn/laboratory.  Of course that assumes that he is still honestly trying to make it self run, rather than adopting the real Thrapp-WITTS method of using a concealed mains line cord.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 28, 2014, 10:14:46 PM
@TinselKoala
- "Note that the MicroQEG automagically adjusts its resonant frequency, compensating for the changes in load,
to stay in a true resonant condition. The FTW QEG, being mechanically pumped at its resonant frequency,
will require some kind of phase-locked motor controller system to compensate for the change in the tank resonant
frequency as the load on its output changes."

Don't forget that Tesla was using the OC only to stabilise the frequency of an electric generator! The power come
 from another source and efficience was not their first concern.
The OC was here to slow the system if necessary.  ;)

-" In your simulation, I imagine you cannot simulate the Tesla Bifilar winding of the primary tank's loop.
I will also make another loop coil with ordinary solenoidal winding but the same amount of wire, for comparison.
But of course that will remove the "tesla magic" from my  apparatus."

Please, make your new winding with the same inductance! Only this is pertinent, no magic tricks in a "Tesla Bifilar
 winding", only inductance. only turn . With the same overall geometry...
Yes, with Maxwell, we can simulate near every winding. If you can draw it, you can simulate it!
I test that with your 3 wires air coil of your transmitter.

- " ETA: Internal dissipation: So the use of the IRF830, with its Rdss of 1.5 ohms, is probably the source of the
 "problem". The IRF3205, which I started with and will use again as soon as they arrive, has 0.008 ohm Rdss. "

I run a simulation with 1.5ohm resistors in serial with the drain of each Transistor. Nothing on the phase shift.
No change in the dissipation of the transitors...
It's normal, because the commutation is with voltage and current are near zero on the drain.   
See Fig: Drains 1.5-CSR0.25-.jpg and Drains 1.5-CSR0.25-.jpg

- So now you have a 82° phase lag with your load. I get this value in the simulation, with  R2=0.918   
(serial r with the air coil=0.9ohm and 0.018ohm for the coil).
This correspond to a power transmitted of  10W and F=290Khz!
   See fig: Phase82-CSR0.25Load0.9-.jpg
Notes: Pbat=16.581W  ~ 16.52W= Total Power OC +Pgates+PQ1+PQ2
and Total Power OC = Pcsr + POC=13.208W
The Power form of   Total Power OC=0.11913   so Phi=83,2°

Q: May I know the power  of your load?

- Oscillation at the start with 35us period (F=28571Hz ) due to all the components, in particular to the two
100uH and C on the battery.
   See fig: StartOscillations.jpg

OK, may be this is enough for now!
Your cheezburger is not very far now...
@+
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 28, 2014, 10:29:58 PM
@isim
That is really impressive! Your sim is reproducing the behaviour of my MicroQEG very nearly exactly. As my own measurements get better and your approximations of my stray impedances get better, your results and mine are converging nicely.

I will not yet report the load measurements, as I am not yet comfortable with them, nor do I believe I have yet optimized the "receptor" for the best power transfer from the primary coil. I believe that the motor/lightbulb final load should actually run better on the output of the receptor than it does by connecting it directly to the battery, when the receptor is properly tuned to the primary tank. See my video comparing bulb brightnesses for an example of this phenomenon. It is caused by the voltage boost of the system combined with the high frequency of oscillation.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk)

I have already measured over 50 volts in a storage cap connected to a different receptor tuned to the MicroQEG.

ETA: My systems have a noticeable very slight delay before they come to full power oscillation after being switched on. This also is shown in your simulation in the last measurement! 

Here might be a good place to mention that these circuits need to be _switched on_  to the full supply voltage, rather than having the power applied gradually by ramping up the voltage. With a slow ramp-up it is possible for it not to "start" and in that event one mosfet carries the entire short-circuit DC current that the source can supply, and will fail in short order. This is also true if you try to operate without the loop or with the tank circuit otherwise open.
A fuse in the DC supply line is a good idea if you are using this circuit for anything stressful.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 28, 2014, 11:44:33 PM
Wee-hoo!
My order from Thai Shine just arrived in the mail.
 ;D
 Ordered on Thursday night via Ebay, and in my box, free shipping, Monday afternoon.
So I'll be changing out the IRF830s back to IRF3205s like I started out with, and I'll put up some comparisons later on this evening.
 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 29, 2014, 12:03:47 AM
@TinselKoala
-  "Here might be a good place to mention that these circuits need to be _switched on_  to the full supply voltage,
rather than having the power applied gradually  ..."
Yes, and if the total load in the OC is > 1.39+0.25 ohms it doesn't start.
1) With Resistor Gate to battery=100ohm, R apparent=1.385 and CSR=0.25 
     Fig: StartOscillations_Rload1.385_CSR0.25ohm.jpg
     - it Start
2) With Resistor Gate to battery=100ohm, R apparent=1.39 and CSR=0.25
     Fig: StartOscillations_Rload1.39_CSR0.25ohm.jpg
     - It doesn't  start and blow... :)
3) With Resistor Gate to battery=90ohm, R apparent=1.39 and CSR=0.25 
     Fig: StartOscillations_Rload1.39_CSR0.25ohmButRgate90ohm.jpg
     - It start, but I change the resistors Gate to battery from 100ohm to 90ohms!

- "I believe that the motor/lightbulb final load should actually run better on the output of the receptor than it does
by connecting it directly to the battery, when the receptor is properly tuned to the primary tank. See my video
comparing bulb brightnesses for an example of this phenomenon. It is caused by the voltage boost of the system
combined with the high frequency of oscillation. ..."
Hum... I don't know how interpret this...
So, no comments...
- May be will you be interested by this study on Wireless Power Transfer from Ansys Maxwell?
http://www.ansys.com/staticassets/ANSYS/staticassets/resourcelibrary/presentation/kettering-design-reactive-power.pdf
http://www.ansys.com/staticassets/ANSYS/staticassets/resourcelibrary/presentation/wireless-power-transfer-ansys-enginsoft2.pdf
http://www.infinite.nl/assets/Uploads/Designing-wireless-power-supply-systems.pdf
@+

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 29, 2014, 12:25:03 AM
Thanks for the links! More study material can't hurt.

Meanwhile, research continues.....

The Big QEG needs to have its core spark-conditioned, eh? OK... if that is the way they want to play, fine. It took me a little while to figure out how to spark-condition my _air cored_ MicroQEG from its own power, but I did. Here is the apparatus I came up with, and a video demonstration is processing and being uploaded now, should be ready in an hour or so.

This is the uQEG's TKCoreConditioner:  a loopstick tuned to 5 mH, two 30 pF caps in parallel across the loopstick, a UF4007 diode leading to a 47 uF, 160 V capacitor--- I should have used a higher voltage value and will be replacing this one with a 250 V cap shortly. I may have already blown the 160V cap by overvolting. The neon is deliberately NOT soldered to the circuit, it is just dangling by wire contact.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 29, 2014, 02:12:01 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ02XU0tWjw


Please I can haz one cheezburger?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 29, 2014, 03:28:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ02XU0tWjw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ02XU0tWjw)


Please I can haz one cheezburger?

I ordered you one online from a Chinese site.  They said it has shipped but shipping usually takes between 8-10 weeks.  If/when it gets there, I would not eat it if I were you, ha ha.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 29, 2014, 04:10:44 AM
It's bound to be better than what I've been eating, lately.

But really... that's all the comment I get? I'm getting over 500 volts of resonant rise in that _receiver_ tank, and all I get for it is a stale Chinese cheezburger? That is 12.5 volts input and 500 volts output charging up a capacitor, and not with little skinny spikes either. That's a voltage multiplication factor of 40 to 1, across thin air with no cores and no inductive collapse spikes -- AND dumping half of the energy in the first place, because I'm just using half-wave rectification.

 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 29, 2014, 03:22:24 PM
I think the "Shock conditioning" of the bifilar primary may involve a shock through the inductor, nor in close adjacency. I've spoken of the "Shock charging of the bifilar"  and the subsequent ringing. The spontaneous rising of Ohmic resistance in the coil signals increasing resonance from the shock, a sign the charging event occurred. 

Remember that the bifilar has it's own resonant frequency between it's natural inductance and high internal self capacitance. A Hi voltage potential is generated between the windings of the bifilar, in self resonance, that is many thousands of times greater then the voltage produced between the wraps of the single wire solenoid. This charge needs to be induced in the bifilar coil from shocking! We can shock a single wire coil with much lower resonant tank capacity then the bifilar, and get nothing in return. It may take several trys!


By the way, a dead fly showed up in my Burgesa!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 29, 2014, 04:21:11 PM
Ferro-resonance was demonstrated by Whoppy, who tapped an iron core and got output spikes on his scope. Iron's kind of a Piezo crystal. Shocking a bifilar coil around a ferrite core generates electrical feedback. The QEG may generate power this way. Shock charging a bifilar around a hi perm ferrite core will yield ferro resonance. An air core coil can't generate this kind of resonance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on July 29, 2014, 05:08:02 PM
Well I set up a small spiral coil 1mm wire and 11 turns I think, it's 18 uH and with only 1 Watt or so input, (12 volts at 80 mA ) I get
about 90 volt DC pulsations which excite the receptor coil when tuned to almost 600 volts point to point.  :) Sine wave. Looks like
about 550 mA of current in the receptor tank. I'll set up some loads tomorrow. Neaten it up. I was surprised how well the spiral
coupled with the bifilar "solenoids" at some inches distance. Power input is tiny 1 Watt, with all that activity.  8) Video clip
shows the receptor wave forms of voltage and current but it's hard to see, quality is bad (using stills camera).

EDIT: Yeah so no load is about 180 volts RMS and about 550 mA RMS in the receptor tank but i can't work out the phase and no load.

Video clip (bit rough and image quality isn;t good either)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN-8wNK3vv0

First image is the drain wave form on the primary.

Second image just shows the set up, the neon is between the center of the bifilar and one end.

Third image is how the setup was oriented for the video.

Oh I forgot, I got no core to condition.
.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Shanti on July 29, 2014, 06:49:15 PM
Quote
Ferro-resonance was demonstrated by Whoppy, who tapped an iron core and got output spikes on his scope. Iron's kind of a Piezo crystal. Shocking a bifilar coil around a ferrite core generates electrical feedback. The QEG may generate power this way. Shock charging a bifilar around a hi perm ferrite core will yield ferro resonance. An air core coil can't generate this kind of resonance.

Well it's just magnetostriction at work. You don't need a bifilar coil for that...

Edit:
E.g. if you loosely wind a coil around a core, and tap the core, so that it starts to oscillate mechanically (acoustic wave inside the core) you can very good see this mechanical oscillation with a pickup coil.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 29, 2014, 08:26:41 PM
Well it's just magnetostriction at work. You don't need a bifilar coil for that...

Edit:
E.g. if you loosely wind a coil around a core, and tap the core, so that it starts to oscillate mechanically (acoustic wave inside the core) you can very good see this mechanical oscillation with a pickup coil.


The bifilar coils throws a larger spark across a greater spark gap distance than a single wire coil with the same Joules of discharge. Tinselkoala demonstrates just that "Larger spark" feature in his bifilar comparison video. The speed and magnitude of the magnetic field collapse determines the back spike voltage. This is how TK's reaching 500 volts in his capacitor.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 29, 2014, 09:56:34 PM
@synchro1
Cylindrique coils, bifilar or not, with same inductance and global overall geometry have the same effects... May be just a very small difference in theirs intrinsic capacitors due to their different voltage repartition!
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 01:37:57 AM

The bifilar coils throws a larger spark across a greater spark gap distance than a single wire coil with the same Joules of discharge. Tinselkoala demonstrates just that "Larger spark" feature in his bifilar comparison video. The speed and magnitude of the magnetic field collapse determines the back spike voltage. This is how TK's reaching 500 volts in his capacitor.

Synchro, I have asked you several times to stop misrepresenting my work.



THERE IS NO COLLAPSE SPIKE HAPPENING ANY WHERE IN THE ENTIRE microQEG SYSTEM, including the 500 volt receptor. The system is _sinusoidal_ all the way through. The 500 volts + is a result, I believe, of simple transformer action, combined with the usual VRSWR: voltage rise due to standing wave resonance.

NO INDUCTIVE COLLAPSE SPIKES are used to pump up any capacitors in this system. I am simply half-wave rectifying a 300 -350 kHz AC sine wave with the UF4007 and feeding the resulting voltage pulses to the capacitor in the ordinary AC-to-DC method, except it is happening at high frequencies. Since I am not using metal cores, I don't experience magnetic saturation effects that limit the performance of the system.

ETA: That is Tesla's biggest and most neglected "open secret" by the way: the use of non-saturable cores in inductors. This allows magnetic fields to build without practical limit and allows full action from the highest frequency components of any signal.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 01:43:35 AM
@synchro1
Cylindrique coils, bifilar or not, with same inductance and global overall geometry have the same effects... May be just a very small difference in theirs intrinsic capacitors due to their different voltage repartition!
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In this particular case, this is what I think too. The reason that I don't expect any effect due to the TBF winding is just that there aren't very many turns. In a larger cylindrical TBF coil the inter-turn capacitance can become large enough to cause detectable differences in certain applications. But in a six turn coil operating at 300 kHz I don't really expect to see much difference. However I am interested in the issue and of course I will be testing. I just haven't had a chance to make the "normal" test coil yet, have to set up the bandsaw to cut a piece of mailing tube for the form, pull out some more house wiring, etc. Maybe I'll get to it later this evening.
Some people believe the co-resonant tuning will be easier with the TBF coil, but it's pretty easy already so I may not be able to detect such an effect.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 01:59:39 AM
@Farmhand: Looks pretty good already! You may get better results with fewer turns of heavier wire, and a larger capacitor to re-tune to the present frequency, in your transmitter section. I think there is some optimum "balance" between the inductance of the transmitting loop (should be low I think) and the capacitor in the tank. I don't know what the right relationship is though. I think of it as two reservoirs with fluid sloshing back and forth between them. If the reservoirs are unmatched--- one big shallow lake and one small deep pit -- the calculated resonant frequency will be the same as one with matched reservoirs of equal size, but I think the matched situation will result in better voltage rise in the resonant tank. Maybe this is the concept of "Q" working through my muddled brain. So the reservoirs of the inductance and the capacitance should be somehow matched in this way for best performance, even though an infinite number of L and C pairs will give the same resonant frequency.
Am I making sense? Maybe I need more coffee.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 02:49:57 AM
As an aside: some other folks are using similar circuits (Royer-Mazilli-ZVS oscillators) for various purposes and are having trouble with mosfet heating and failing and other issues. It's clear that my mosfets are not heating significantly, but that's because I've destroyed  many dollars worth of mosfets finding out what makes ZVS circuits into non-zero switchers. Even though you might be operating at below 1 MHz, things that you might not expect will throw the switchpoints off the zero voltage, and this more than anything will make the mosfets heat up. That is, in the normal operation of these circuits, one mosfet turns on and the other one turns off at the zero-crossings of the oscillator's waveform. It doesn't take much asymmetry in components/construction/etc. to throw off this zero-voltage switching from the zero-crossings and cause the mosfets to heat up excessively.

In fact the uQEG is less symmetrical than I would usually build, because the board is designed to mount to the miniSlayer base and I had to be able to get to the screw connector block for the primary coil. Full symmetry would have caused this socket to be inaccessible once mounted to the miniSlayer base.

And obviously one should use low Rdss mosfets to begin with. I was kind of surprised to see the IRF830s work so well. But the IRF3205 works great, even though it is being operated close to its voltage limit in this circuit. With different mosfets the input voltage can be boosted to 24 volts without other changes in the circuit and then you will really see some powerful effects downstream. If you put in Gate Zener VR diodes you can go to 36 VDC input and start melting things down.
 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 03:40:59 AM
Here's the "nonprinted" circuit board layout for the uQEG. (pronounced Moo-Kweeg, of course, or perhaps Myou-Kweeg.)

This is my "macro SMD" prototype technology, no drilling or etching needed. I removed the copper with a hacksaw and I solder stuff directly to the surface of the copper, using elevated pads also made of cut-out circuit board material glued on, if needed.

Or you can use packing tape or a Sharpie marker for a resist, and etch normally with ferric chloride.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 04:43:07 AM
Here's the latest version of the HV "receptor". I've made a FWB of UF4007 diodes, and installed a Siemens 470 volt sparkgap type surge protector across the 2 series 22 uf 250 V capacitor stack (11 uF 500 V). When inserted into the uQEG's core, the gap flashes nicely at a rate of about 1 Hz.

ETA: OOOOH, I just got a helluva shock from the damned receptor thing, moving it from where I took the photo. Zapped my right hand from thumb to forefinger, it's still tingling. Be careful people! I'm going to have to put a bleeder resistor and some insulation on it. Now I'm _really really_ glad I didn't use more capacitance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on July 30, 2014, 06:29:56 AM
Yeah Tinsel, I agree, with too much inductance and too little capacitance there is a lot of voltage but the power throughput is less.

I don't even have resonance on the primary spiral. It's 18 uH with a 2.5 nF cap across the switch ala "Armstrong oscillator style".

Quasi resonance isn't it ?  ;)

It seems to give a good lump at any frequency near 1/3 resonant frequency, resonant frequency should be 750 kHz, I get the
oscillations of ring down then if I tune a bit suddenly it jumps from several oscillations to one big lump, I can tune that to lower or
higher, but it takes a nudge to get it to lock into the one lump mode. Once in it's pretty solid and the voltage remains at 92 volts
when a load like 20 x 5 mm LED's is put on the receptor the input current increases. smaller loads make little difference.

Still just a tester. This setup bangs 10 uF through a 200 volts Gas discharge tube, which gave me a surprise shock it was loud.
I might get it popping soon and get a video of that.

The receptor lights the Neon even at a harmonic when I reduce the capacitance to very small.

More capacitance more power, the balance with 18 uh and 2.5 nF on the primary is better than the 320 uH and the 0.8 nF on the
receptor but the primary is at just over 1/3 it resonance frequency. Somehow it's locking in with a nudge but it's off tune still.

If I increase frequency it locks into the one lump mode above 300 kHz then if I reduce frequency the lump gets bigger but too
much reducing and it unlocks from the one lump mode.

On tuning the receptor there is sharp tuning with a definite strong resonance coupling which can tolerate a shift in capacitance of a
fair bit which shows a shifting of receptor to primary voltage phase in a band where it's strongly coupled even though the distance.

I think if I load the receptor much the waveform will distort because I've only got small DC lumps to the primary, on a side note
a couple of more caps across the mosfet driver fixed the gate oscillations and the circuit seems to be working with few losses
which is a plus. I thought of the primary as the motor and the receptor as the tank (with tuning) a tuning inductor there is much
better on space than a tuning capacitor, I've got variable inductors on a TV board, I'll check them out.

Of course I need the AC primary circuit and will set one up.

I've got two IRF 740's/840's/540's and some others and I can organize almost everything except the several Watt resistors.

That setup from last night is just using coils I had handy.

Still interesting. I noticed some things.

Thats a 1 to 100 VA magnification from 12 volts and 0.8 A to 180 volts and 0.55 A. Big OU there.  ;)

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 30, 2014, 09:02:46 AM
 perhaps Myou-Kweeg.

That name appeared in the obituary of the dead cat found by food inspectors at the China Palace!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 30, 2014, 09:16:18 AM
THERE IS NO COLLAPSE SPIKE HAPPENING ANY WHERE IN THE ENTIRE microQEG SYSTEM."


A tiny collapse accompanies the current reversal of the sine wave in the coil. Running A.C current through a single wire solenoid will heat the wire up. The tesla series bifilar, as I've pointed out out has no negative micro Henries. This means there is no resistance to the change in current direction from the sine wave, unlike the single wire. This translates into no heat! A caloric measurement would highlight the major difference between the coils. The bifilar is an A.C. current coil, the single wire's not!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 30, 2014, 10:04:20 AM
@synchro1
"A tiny collapse accompanies the current reversal of the sine wave in the coil. Running A.C current through a single wire solenoid will heat the wire up. The tesla series bifilar, as I've pointed out out has no negative micro Henries. This means there is no resistance to the change in current direction from the sine wave, unlike the single wire. This translates into no heat! A caloric measurement would highlight the major difference between the coils. The bifilar is an A.C. current coil, the single wire's not!"

This is a very curious theory.
- If you speak of the "collapse" on the pictures of uQEG:
The collapses are due to a bad command of the gate!
- Otherwise can you indicate some information on where we can learn more on this things, and in particular on  "negative micro Henries" and "there is no resistance to the change in current direction from the sine wave, unlike the single wire"?
Thanks
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 10:41:14 AM
THERE IS NO COLLAPSE SPIKE HAPPENING ANY WHERE IN THE ENTIRE microQEG SYSTEM."


A tiny collapse accompanies the current reversal of the sine wave in the coil. Running A.C current through a single wire solenoid will heat the wire up. The tesla series bifilar, as I've pointed out out has no negative micro Henries. This means there is no resistance to the change in current direction from the sine wave, unlike the single wire. This translates into no heat! A caloric measurement would highlight the major difference between the coils. The bifilar is an A.C. current coil, the single wire's not!

Whatever, dude.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xyVZWkYAvkk
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 30, 2014, 11:12:03 AM
@TinselKoala
May I ask how many turns (approximately) each coil has, their diameter and their  length?
Thank you
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 30, 2014, 12:20:36 PM
THERE IS NO COLLAPSE SPIKE HAPPENING ANY WHERE IN THE ENTIRE microQEG SYSTEM."


A tiny collapse accompanies the current reversal of the sine wave in the coil. Running A.C current through a single wire solenoid will heat the wire up. The tesla series bifilar, as I've pointed out out has no negative micro Henries. This means there is no resistance to the change in current direction from the sine wave, unlike the single wire. This translates into no heat! A caloric measurement would highlight the major difference between the coils. The bifilar is an A.C. current coil, the single wire's not!
Synchro1 I don't know where you acquired these wrong ideas.  A sine wave has no abrupt changes.  There is no sudden disruption of one current path to another.  The field builds up and builds down smoothly.  There is no tiny collapse even for very large values of zero.

There is no negative inductance in a coil of any construction. 

Until we get into very high frequencies where we need to take things like proximity effect into account, the resistance of a conductor is a function of the material bulk resistivity, the shape of the conductor, and the frequency (components for non-sinusoid) of applied voltage across the conductor's length.  One can wrap a wire into any shape one wants and for a given current wave shape through the wire, the I2*R losses will be constant.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 01:30:43 PM
@TinselKoala
May I ask how many turns (approximately) each coil has, their diameter and their  length?
Thank you
@+
I suppose you are talking about the loopstick. I don't know the turn count, I have not unwound one. I am estimating 300-600 turns. It is one continuous winding in two sections, for cooling probably, and is wound in a herringbone kind of pattern which allows it to hold the cylinder shape without a bobbin. The wire is Litz wire, many tiny strands of enameled wire bundled together then wrapped with cotton (I think). I don't know how many strand Litz, either. I suppose I should take one apart, but they are so dear. DC resistance is around 72 Ohms.

However I do know the inductance of the loopstick. As I show in the electrosmog harvester video, they measure somewhat under 2 milliHenry with the core removed, and with the core all the way in they are 9 to 10 milliHenry. The one I am using as the HV Receptor (thanks for that word!) is set to about 5 milliHenry or a bit less.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 30, 2014, 02:22:40 PM
@TenselKoala
"I suppose you are talking about the loopstick  ..... "
Yes, may be I will do a simulation. These tools are extraordinary. No electric shock or what so ever else...  :D
Thanks
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 03:41:07 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSoZSXX4TJM

 8)

OK, I took one apart. The cotton wire outer insulation didn't hold up too well but maybe I can reuse the wire for something.   :-\

It is 15 or 16 strand Litz. The strands are so fine I can barely see them even with 3x magnifying glasses, hence the uncertain count. Cotton wrap covering. It is wound in two groups of 260 turns each, on a phenolic tube former that is 7mm outside diameter. The groups are about 9 mm long and are separated by a gap of 2-3 mm. The core is a ferrite rod 1/4 inch (6mm) diameter x 28 mm long with a brass #4-40 threaded rod in one end.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 30, 2014, 03:53:09 PM
"When alternating current passes through a component that contains reactance, energy is alternately stored in, and released from, a magnetic field or an electric field.  In the case of a magnetic field, the reactance is inductive.  In the case of an electric field, the reactance is capacitive.  Inductive reactance is assigned positive imaginary number (http://searchcio-midmarket.techtarget.com/definition/imaginary-number) values.  Capacitive reactance is assigned negative imaginary-number values".


"Reactance is a form of opposition that electronic components exhibit to the passage of alternating current (http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/alternating-current-AC) because of capacitance or inductance".


The opposition to A.C. is assigned an imaginary number value. A Negative Micro Henry is a measure of opposition to A.C.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 03:59:14 PM
When alternating current passes through a component that contains reactance, energy is alternately stored in, and released from, a magnetic field or an electric field.  In the case of a magnetic field, the reactance is inductive.  In the case of an electric field, the reactance is capacitive.  Inductive reactance is assigned positive imaginary number (http://searchcio-midmarket.techtarget.com/definition/imaginary-number)[/u] values.  Capacitive reactance is assigned negative imaginary-number values.


Reactance, denoted X, is a form of opposition that electronic components exhibit to the passage of alternating current (http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/alternating-current-AC)[/u] (alternating current) because of capacitance or inductance.

Careful, you are about to choke on all that copy-pasta.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 30, 2014, 04:21:59 PM
You're putting along fine then a spring pokes out and jams the works up. Look, now another Windmill tilting on the Myth Bust the biflar crusade!


Look, the series bifilar has zero reactance unlike the single wrap that produces a directional field. The cancelled fields don't exert opposition forces like the field that produces Negative Microhenries in the single wrap. This is a measure of reactance. The series biflar does not impede A.C. like the single wrap with Negative Micro Henry reactance value. This value generates waste heat! That's the major difference between these types of coils!


This is a very real and important difference!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 04:25:28 PM
The scope, in the video above, is indicating + and - peaks of 470 volts. The peak-to-peak voltage indicated is 940 volts. This voltage is full-wave rectified (the flat tops of the peaks). I should have shown the DC side of the FWB too, sorry. It's not nearly as exciting, being a totally flat line that goes from zero volts to 470 volts at the discharge, over and over again.
My capacitor is only rated 500 volts and I don't want to blow it, so I don't really know how high the peak-to-peak voltage can go, as I am operating with the 470 volt limiting GDT in there. It looks like it could easily go to 600 V, or 1200 V p-p.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 30, 2014, 04:25:43 PM
"When alternating current passes through a component that contains reactance, energy is alternately stored in, and released from, a magnetic field or an electric field.  In the case of a magnetic field, the reactance is inductive.  In the case of an electric field, the reactance is capacitive.  Inductive reactance is assigned positive imaginary number (http://searchcio-midmarket.techtarget.com/definition/imaginary-number) values.  Capacitive reactance is assigned negative imaginary-number values".


"Reactance is a form of opposition that electronic components exhibit to the passage of alternating current (http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/alternating-current-AC) because of capacitance or inductance".


The opposition to A.C. is assigned an imaginary number value. A Negative Micro Henry is a measure of opposition to A.C.
The quotes are correct, your conclusion is not.  Inductance is not reactance.  Inductive reactance is also positive by convention.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 04:31:32 PM
You're putting along fine then a spring pokes out and jams the works up. Look, now another Windmill tilting on the Myth Bust the biflar crusade!


Look, the series bifilar has zero reactance unlike the single wrap that produces a directional field. The cancelled fields don't exert opposition forces like the field that produces Negative Microhenries in the single wrap. This is a measure of reactance. The series biflar does not impede A.C. like the single wrap with Negative Micro Henry reactance value. This value generates waste heat! That's the major difference between these types of coils!


This is a very real and important difference!

Don't be silly. I measured the inductance of the BIFILAR COIL as something between 4 and 5 microHenry on my cheap ProsKit RLC meter, which only has 1 uH precision. I measured the tank capacitor on the same meter as 64.5 nanoFarad. I measured the oscillating frequency using the Philips counter, which is my master instrument, has an always-on oven stabilized crystal oscillator and is precise to NINE significant digits. The frequency measured at that time was 303.45 kHz. I invite you to plug some numbers in here:
http://www.1728.org/resfreq.htm (http://www.1728.org/resfreq.htm)
Try 4.25 uH for the inductance.

Now... reconcile this result with your last post.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 04:43:20 PM
Look.... you know that I know that the true TBF winding on a flat pancake coil or a many turn solenoid form does have a difference, due to its greatly increased distributed capacitance. It requires _less_ external capacitance to resonate at a specific frequency and in fact can self-resonate at its own LC frequency without external caps at all, just as any other coil can. The TBF's no-cap resonant frequency will be lower than the straight winding's no-cap resonant frequency because of the increased selfcapacitance.

HOWEVER: in this particular case the TBF winding is a RED HERRING! There are only six turns, ffs, and they are separated by two layers of heavy plastic house wire insulation! The increase in selfcapacitance is not measurable, much less can it be significant or have any detectable effects _in this case_.  Don't forget that I am "replificating" the FTW QEG, and I needed to put in some Tesla patents! Right?


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 30, 2014, 06:33:40 PM
pure sine wave in uQEG tank

voltage across coil, 20 V/div vertically, 10x probe, 500 ns/div horizontally

There are no inductive collapse spikes in this system.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 30, 2014, 08:10:38 PM

More "copy pasta" from China Palace!

"Typically, AC current (http://syzygyastro.hubpages.com/hub/Groundbreaking-inventions-of-the-20th-century) “vibrates” at a frequency of 60 Hertz, (50 in Europe). It makes 30 of these complete cycles for an AC current every second. This creates a 30 cycles per second (CPS) sine wave function in the wires that build to a maximum, collapse to zero and rebuild twice in 1/30th of a second for one complete cycle".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 30, 2014, 08:49:47 PM
@synchro1
"Typically, AC current “vibrates” at a frequency of 60 Hertz, (50 in Europe). It makes 30 of these complete cycles for an AC current every second. This creates a 30 cycles per second (CPS) sine wave function in the wires that build to a maximum, collapse to zero and rebuild twice in 1/30th of a second for one complete cycle".

???
Are you really sure?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 30, 2014, 08:56:17 PM
More "copy pasta" from China Palace!

"Typically, AC current (http://syzygyastro.hubpages.com/hub/Groundbreaking-inventions-of-the-20th-century) “vibrates” at a frequency of 60 Hertz, (50 in Europe). It makes 30 of these complete cycles for an AC current every second. This creates a 30 cycles per second (CPS) sine wave function in the wires that build to a maximum, collapse to zero and rebuild twice in 1/30th of a second for one complete cycle".
Just because you find something written on the internet does not mean that it is right.  In the USA the AC mains complete an entire sine wave cycle 60 times per second, not 30.  In Europe it is 50 times per second.  A sine wave has four quarter phases that are each the same shape: true 0-90 deg, mirrored 90-180 degrees, inverted 180-270 degrees, and both mirrored and inverted 270 degrees - 360 degrees.  The wave form undulates in beautiful symmetry.  It does not collapse.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 30, 2014, 10:06:58 PM

Standard text book descriptions like this one below are more then "something just written on internet:



"With an alternating current the magnetic state of affairs is never a settled one. Each time current direction reverses, so must the pole orientation of its associated magnetic field. The entire field collapses and rebuilds in the magnetically opposite direction".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 30, 2014, 10:31:41 PM
@Synchro1
"Standard text book descriptions like this one below are more then "something just written on internet: "

Ok, can you give me the book name and the writer, even if it is in an another langage? I like curious  books.
Thanks
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 30, 2014, 11:06:46 PM

@Isim,


This is a PBS tutorial:

http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ins/ins_acdc.html (http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ins/ins_acdc.html)




Through the centuries in which electricity remained a natural mystery, and later a fashionable novelty, it turned up only in the form we would term today direct current (DC), that is, with electrons moving in one direction only. The first, cumbersome batteries (called voltaic piles) and mechanical curiosities that built up static charge (like Leyden jars) provide electrons that stream in one direction. Even the famous experiments of Benjamin Franklin utilized a direct current supply—lightning.
There's certainly nothing inferior about a direct current, unless you are trying to solve practical engineering problems concerned with generating power and distributing it over great distances. A few visionaries, Tesla foremost among them, comprehended both that the new science of electricity must be, literally, transformed and that the means already existed in theory—as well as in some wheezy devices usually found in physics labs of that era. The solution lay in alternating currents (AC).

What Is Alternating Current?
An AC source produces currents that flow in one direction and then the other, continuously cycling through peak values in either direction, i.e., first positive, then negative, and so on. The advantages—which turn out to be nothing short of revolutionary—are not immediately obvious; they derive chiefly from that magnetic property of currents, induction.Direct currents don't cause much inductive action. When a switch is thrown and current first flows in a DC circuit, a magnetic field builds up. The field can induce a current to flow in any nearby wire, but only briefly, just during the few instants it takes for the current to get moving. In fact, Michael Faraday was led to his discoveries in induction by first noticing the momentary currents induced by a DC source he had turned on. Once the field is built up, induction stops; the field's force lines are stationary and no longer carrying a change of energy through space and cutting across nearby wires. With an alternating current the magnetic state of affairs is never a settled one. Each time current direction reverses, so must the pole orientation of its associated magnetic field. The entire field collapses and rebuilds in the magnetically opposite direction. If current alternates continuously, the field is never static. Alternating currents do, in a sense, copy their changes of energy into nearby circuits, making energy available there. Though all very clever, it may seem this isn't a prize winning trick; why not just connect the two circuits with a piece of wire? Why complicate matters with induction?

Transforming AC
It's not just a question of getting power to a nearby circuit; induction can be made to change the form in which power is delivered, it can be transformed, in the electrical sense. Manipulating the way fields are concentrated—usually by making coils of the conductor—will change the properties of currents and voltages that a source (the primary) induces in another, nearby set of coils (the secondary). For example, power present in the primary as a large current at a low voltage may be transformed into low current at high voltage in the secondary.

AC Advantages
Generally, engineers would much prefer to send power over long lines at a very high voltage, with comparatively lower current, but deliver it to most users at a safer, lower voltage. Transformers make that possible. Resistance in AC circuits works differently, too, so that with good design, losses in power lines are dramatically lower than in DC lines. (The first DC power stations could only serve an area within a few mile radius.)The same basic AC ideas, a magnetic transfer and transformation of power, can also make highly efficient, reliable motors. One obvious advantage, though there are many, is the spinning part, the rotor, need not be connected physically to any electrical contacts; ever changing fields in the stator (stationary part) convey the power. Nor are AC devices limited to a single AC source; several may be supplied simultaneously in a polyphase arrangement.
(http://www.pbs.org/tesla/images/blank.gif (http://www.pbs.org/tesla/images/blank.gif))
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 30, 2014, 11:37:33 PM
The Great Current Collapse o 2014.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 30, 2014, 11:46:30 PM
@Isim,


This is a PBS tutorial:

http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ins/ins_acdc.html (http://www.pbs.org/tesla/ins/ins_acdc.html)




Through the centuries in which electricity remained a natural mystery, and later a fashionable novelty, it turned up only in the form we would term today direct current (DC), that is, with electrons moving in one direction only. The first, cumbersome batteries (called voltaic piles) and mechanical curiosities that built up static charge (like Leyden jars) provide electrons that stream in one direction. Even the famous experiments of Benjamin Franklin utilized a direct current supply—lightning.
There's certainly nothing inferior about a direct current, unless you are trying to solve practical engineering problems concerned with generating power and distributing it over great distances. A few visionaries, Tesla foremost among them, comprehended both that the new science of electricity must be, literally, transformed and that the means already existed in theory—as well as in some wheezy devices usually found in physics labs of that era. The solution lay in alternating currents (AC).

What Is Alternating Current?
An AC source produces currents that flow in one direction and then the other, continuously cycling through peak values in either direction, i.e., first positive, then negative, and so on. The advantages—which turn out to be nothing short of revolutionary—are not immediately obvious; they derive chiefly from that magnetic property of currents, induction.Direct currents don't cause much inductive action. When a switch is thrown and current first flows in a DC circuit, a magnetic field builds up. The field can induce a current to flow in any nearby wire, but only briefly, just during the few instants it takes for the current to get moving. In fact, Michael Faraday was led to his discoveries in induction by first noticing the momentary currents induced by a DC source he had turned on. Once the field is built up, induction stops; the field's force lines are stationary and no longer carrying a change of energy through space and cutting across nearby wires. With an alternating current the magnetic state of affairs is never a settled one. Each time current direction reverses, so must the pole orientation of its associated magnetic field. The entire field collapses and rebuilds in the magnetically opposite direction. If current alternates continuously, the field is never static. Alternating currents do, in a sense, copy their changes of energy into nearby circuits, making energy available there. Though all very clever, it may seem this isn't a prize winning trick; why not just connect the two circuits with a piece of wire? Why complicate matters with induction?

Transforming AC
It's not just a question of getting power to a nearby circuit; induction can be made to change the form in which power is delivered, it can be transformed, in the electrical sense. Manipulating the way fields are concentrated—usually by making coils of the conductor—will change the properties of currents and voltages that a source (the primary) induces in another, nearby set of coils (the secondary). For example, power present in the primary as a large current at a low voltage may be transformed into low current at high voltage in the secondary.

AC Advantages
Generally, engineers would much prefer to send power over long lines at a very high voltage, with comparatively lower current, but deliver it to most users at a safer, lower voltage. Transformers make that possible. Resistance in AC circuits works differently, too, so that with good design, losses in power lines are dramatically lower than in DC lines. (The first DC power stations could only serve an area within a few mile radius.)The same basic AC ideas, a magnetic transfer and transformation of power, can also make highly efficient, reliable motors. One obvious advantage, though there are many, is the spinning part, the rotor, need not be connected physically to any electrical contacts; ever changing fields in the stator (stationary part) convey the power. Nor are AC devices limited to a single AC source; several may be supplied simultaneously in a polyphase arrangement.
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Context is everything.  They are not describing any abrupt change such as occurs in a hard switching circuit.    The so-called "collapse" that they refer to follows a nice smooth sine wave.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 31, 2014, 01:58:13 AM
Measurements of two coils of the same size and with the same number of turns, one with a single, the other with a bifilar winding, show differences in voltage gain. These bifilar coils can be explained solely on the basis of their electrical activity. A bifilar coil is capable of holding more charge than a single wound coil. When operated at resonance, the distributed capacitance of the bifilar coil is able to overcome the counter electromotive force (emf) normal to coils - inductive reactance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 31, 2014, 02:01:18 AM
Synchro, why are you copy-pasting all that stuff, that just shows your own ignorance? You find some quotes that misuse the word "collapse" for journalistic emphasis, and you are trying to use _that_ to tell EEs and other experienced researchers what AC is and how the magnetic field it produces behaves? Trying to tell me, with a working apparatus on my bench, that it makes inductive collapse spikes or voltage amplification by that mechanism, IN SPITE OF ALL THE EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE I have shown you to the contrary?

Why are you doing this? Is it because MY devices work as I say they do, in stark contrast to many other experimenters on this forum? Is it because you cannot perform experiments of your own to support your claims?


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 31, 2014, 02:11:46 AM
Measurements of two coils of the same size and with the same number of turns, one with a single, the other with a bifilar winding, show differences in voltage gain. These bifilar coils can be explained solely on the basis of their electrical activity. A bifilar coil is capable of holding more charge than a single wound coil. When operated at resonance, the distributed capacitance of the bifilar coil is able to overcome the counter electromotive force (emf) normal to coils - inductive reactance.

Your last sentence is incorrect, as I have pointed out MANY TIMES before. That phenomenon occurs only at one specific frequency, not "At resonance" but at the coil's self-resonant frequency, and it's not a matter of "overcoming" but rather that the inductive and capacitive reactances match. The bifilar coil has more capacitance. This means that AT A GIVEN RESONANT FREQUENCY it will require, IF IT HAS BEEN CORRECTLY CONSTRUCTED, less external capacitance than a straight-wound coil of the same dimensions would. It also means that the SELF_RESONANT FREQUENCY with no external caps will be LOWER than the straight wound coil's. This was important to Tesla because large high voltage capacitors were expensive, bulky and dangerous in his day, and using a bifilar flat pancake primary allowed him to use less or even no external caps to make a resonant tank for his primary circuits using this type of coil.

Here: Meditate on this graph for a while. Perhaps you will note from that that, at resonance, for any coil, the inductive and capacitive reactances match. This is why the reactance calculator here only gives a single value for the reactance.
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-XLC.htm (http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-XLC.htm)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 31, 2014, 03:50:36 AM
Now you've developed some kind of copy paste allergy. How'd you get that chart uploaded? You're the one with the twisted jargon. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 31, 2014, 04:58:26 AM
Now you've developed some kind of copy paste allergy. How'd you get that chart uploaded? You're the one with the twisted jargon.

No, synchro my dear.

I am the one with devices that WORK, sitting on my desk, and which behave according to the standard formulae we have been discussing. And I am the one with devices that are accurately SIMULATED by Isim.

YOU are the one who does the twisting. How many times is it now that you have outrageously misrepresented my work?  You are indeed twisting-- in the wind.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Shanti on July 31, 2014, 11:02:40 AM
@synchro1:

I get the impression you fell into the Bedini/Lindemann trap, meaning there's anything special and mysterious going on, on the collapse af a magnetic field.
But as has been said and explained here, all is perfectly within expected results.
The terminology that is used by some people, what is now the "definition" of a field collapse, and now debating about it is IMHO futile.
Not the wording is the important part, but the behaviour and it's effects. And here everything is as expected.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 31, 2014, 12:16:29 PM
Someone machined a  costly ferrite toroid, some other "Show Off" fraud slapped together another piece of cardboard crap, called it a QEG and got sanctimonious about their project.


The A.C. field collapse is the source of the inductive reactance that the bifilar coil avoids through field cancellation. The bifilar coil has no negative micro henries. This is a measure of reactance. How do you measure reactance? Inductive reactance causes waste heat. This is basicly static in the inductor.
There's no way anyone can get the single wire coil to loose it's negative micro henries, and run as cool and efficiently as the Tesla series bifilar with the same A.C. signal.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 31, 2014, 12:42:46 PM
That's right synchro, get mad and start slinging it when you can't support your argument with facts or demonstrations of your own. Garage sale equipment, cardboard crap, and all the rest: you are not the first one to accuse me of such things... but nobody has actually refuted anything I've shown, and UNLIKE the claims of the QEG heavy machined core costing thousands of dollars that fail as soon as you get decent voltage output... my systems illustrate the same resonance and OU in VARs that they have claimed AND cost much less AND are robust AND can be fully duplicated AND fully simulated by anyone with the skills and knowledge to do so. Sorry if that doesn't include you, but there it is.


Meanwhile, some people seem to be doubting this fact: Only the negative electrode of a neon actually glows. When the bulb is powered by DC, it's easy to see. When the bulb is powered by AC, it _looks_ like they both glow but in fact only the one that is negative glows, and it switches from side to side faster than you can see. If a circuit is resonating it is making AC, if the circuit is just discharging a capacitor it is DC. The Neon will tell you which, for a few pennies.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 31, 2014, 01:23:09 PM
Someone machined a  costly ferrite toroid, some other "Show Off" fraud slapped together another piece of cardboard crap, called it a QEG and got sanctimonious about their project.


The A.C. field collapse is the source of the inductive reactance that the bifilar coil avoids through field cancellation.

Synchro1 you've put the cart way ahead of the horse.  The inductance (below saturation) is a matter of the materials and construction.  The excitation does not control the inductance below saturation.  A bifilar coil is simply two tightly coupled windings.  The two windings form a transformer.  Like any transformer the windings may be connected in a forward configuration so that load current in the secondary cancels flux in the primary, allowing for low impedance energy transfer between the primary and secondary circuits.  Applied voltage still causes magnetization to build up against the primary inductance.
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The bifilar coil has no negative micro henries.
Neither does any other coil.
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This is a measure of reactance.
No, reactance in an inductor is the product of the inductance and the angular frequency of the applied voltage across it.
Quote

How do you measure reactance? Inductive reactance causes waste heat.
No:  Reactance stores energy without loss.  A perfectly reactive device subjected to AC excitation would not heat one iota.
Quote
  This is basicly static in the inductor.
There's no way anyone can get the single wire coil to loose it's negative micro henries, and run as cool and efficiently as the Tesla series bifilar with the same A.C. signal.
There are no "negative micro Henries" in a "single wire coil".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 31, 2014, 02:42:17 PM
@Synchro1
(excuse me, but english is not my language...)
Thanks for the link, but I can not accept this web site as a reference text to explain physic and electricity. To make simple, after one hundred year of progress who allow you each day to use  all the gadgets and also more serious physical thing that Tesla had never dream of, you keep this as as reférence?
How these gadgets have been studied, builds? With this old reference text?
The link you provided is pointing to a popularization site dedicated to tesla works, full off words from an another time, nothing  for calculate an electric circuit, and make a forecast on his behavior. Science allow this, not this popularization text. The only interest of this text is historic about Tesla work, his think and philosphy(may be!).
You have numerous web sites to learn electricity and electronic, and more especially many book to download, from good scientific writers. And yes, they are full of equations to learn...
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 31, 2014, 03:57:31 PM
@Isim: do not apologize for your English. It is better than that of many native speakers! And you are perfectly understandable. SO no worries there.


Meanwhile, here is another Supplement showing the HV Receptor powering those 4 neons up above, with some tuning demonstration.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcGTBA7NoVI
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 31, 2014, 06:42:51 PM
Is someone else wanting their cut or is this a new cicu sprouting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2cHj0CL8_I

May have to use a translator service of YOUR CHOICE  ;D.
http://www.qegquickandeasy.com

Remember today marks the end of July dolla dolla bill girl time frame for self-running.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on July 31, 2014, 06:48:55 PM
Is someone else wanting their cut or is this a new cicu sprouting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2cHj0CL8_I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2cHj0CL8_I)

May have to use a translator service of YOUR CHOICE  ;D .
http://www.qegquickandeasy.com (http://www.qegquickandeasy.com)

Remember today marks the end of July dolla dolla bill girl time frame for self-running.
How can I invest money in this? It's the real thing man.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 31, 2014, 08:43:44 PM
"Nikola Tesla also worked with such non-inductive windings. For example if we take a Bifilar coil into account, with opposite windings, the magnetic field created by one winding is equal and opposite to that created by the other (under ideal conditions) resulting in a net magnetic field of, which makes the self inductance of the coil zero. However, the self capacitance would be exist and much higher than a single wound coil. Such a coil is capable of holding more charge than a single wound coil. When operated at resonance, the distributed capacitance of the bifilar coil is able to overcome the counter force normal to coils, inductive reactance".


Show us evidence of "Distributed Capacitance" in your super single wrap! Practically everything you say is total bull crap.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on July 31, 2014, 09:35:51 PM
Good afternoon!!


Any good news? ???


After long recovery I'm back...

Since I still have my equipment, any suggestion other then just put it away?

Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on July 31, 2014, 09:36:20 PM

@MarkE,


How do you measure reactance? Inductive reactance causes waste heat.

No:  Reactance stores energy without loss.  A perfectly reactive device subjected to AC excitation would not heat one iota.

Quote


Please forgive me! I'm dead wrong about that. I appreciate your remedial help.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 31, 2014, 10:07:21 PM
"Nikola Tesla also worked with such non-inductive windings. For example if we take a Bifilar coil into account, with opposite windings, the magnetic field created by one winding is equal and opposite to that created by the other (under ideal conditions) resulting in a net magnetic field of, which makes the self inductance of the coil zero. However, the self capacitance would be exist and much higher than a single wound coil. Such a coil is capable of holding more charge than a single wound coil. When operated at resonance, the distributed capacitance of the bifilar coil is able to overcome the counter force normal to coils, inductive reactance".


Show us evidence of "Distributed Capacitance" in your super single wrap! Practically everything you say is total bull crap.
Every single turn has mutual capacitance to every other turn.  This fact is a real PITA sometimes, because it means that ALL coils exhibit resonance, limiting the frequency range over which they are useful as inductors.  Pick a data sheet, any data sheet for any style coil that you like and that coil will have a self-resonant frequency due to distributed capacitance.   Bifilar coils have huge parasitic capacitance compared to single wound coils.  But then a single wound coil isn't exactly set-up to function as a transformer, is it?

It is not my fault that you keep having trouble understanding the references you find on the web.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on July 31, 2014, 11:02:26 PM
@Synchro1
"Show us evidence of "Distributed Capacitance" in your super single wrap! Practically everything you say is total bull crap."
Every body know that even a straight wire has inductance and capacitance, don't you?
This is called linear inductance and distributed capacitance. ( with the earth as second conductor and with others parts of the same wire)
So, when you wind a wire to make a coil, each part of  surface has capacity with all other part of the wire and even with all part of universe. Fortunatly, only the parts sufficiently close one to the other have have a significative influences.

So a single coil has "Distributed Capacitance".
(https://www.google.fr/#q=Distributed+Capacitance+of+coil)

This is also why coils for high frequency are made in a herringbone kind of pattern and are called honeycomb coil or Basket winding (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_winding). Just to minimize the "Distributed Capacitance"...
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 31, 2014, 11:41:53 PM
"Nikola Tesla also worked with such non-inductive windings. For example if we take a Bifilar coil into account, with opposite windings, the magnetic field created by one winding is equal and opposite to that created by the other (under ideal conditions) resulting in a net magnetic field of, which makes the self inductance of the coil zero. However, the self capacitance would be exist and much higher than a single wound coil. Such a coil is capable of holding more charge than a single wound coil. When operated at resonance, the distributed capacitance of the bifilar coil is able to overcome the counter force normal to coils, inductive reactance".


Show us evidence of "Distributed Capacitance" in your super single wrap! Practically everything you say is total bull crap.

The web page you keep citing is full of errors and misconceptions about Tesla's work, as I have tried to explain to you before. The passage you quote here is a perfect example. If you examine the Bifilar Patent you will see that the windings of the Tesla Bifilar flat pancake coil are NOT OPPOSITE. The current flows in the same direction in all adjacent windings. The passage above describes a HAIRPIN BIFILAR when it says "opposite" and "zero inductance". This is not a TBF winding characteristic, as I have demonstrated several times with both flat and solenoidal forms. Then it jumps the track and starts talking about a characteristic of the true TBF winding. The author confounds the two types of winding. From MarkE's transformer comment above, I am not even sure that he knows just which winding we are talking about. I have "multifilar" toroidal gate transformers in my TinselKoil 2.0 for example, as an easy way to get oppositely phased drive signals for the main H-bridge mosfets. These trifilar phase transformers have three separate and equal windings: one 16 turn "primary" and two 16 turn "secondaries" that are not electrically connected to each other. But both the Hairpin Bifilar and the TBF windings are actually Monofilar: there is one continuous piece of wire with only two ends.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 31, 2014, 11:47:52 PM
Good afternoon!!


Any good news? ???


After long recovery I'm back...

Since I still have my equipment, any suggestion other then just put it away?

Ariovaldo

I am glad you are back! What I have been demonstrating is the extraction / conversion of the "OU in VARs" that exists in resonant tank circuits, by using an inductively coupled tuned resonating receiver or Receptor circuit. This method loads the primary tank, naturally, but does not result in collapsing the resonance like a direct resistive load will do. Please check out my latest set of videos. I've shown: running a DC motor on the true output of the resonant system; attaining high voltages without the use of any inductive collapse spike collecting; and various methods of constructing Transverters and Receptors for this system. I am operating at much higher frequencies, though, but the principles will be the same. You will just need larger components to get down to your own resonant frequency range.
(grins evilly)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 31, 2014, 11:49:21 PM
@Synchro1
"Show us evidence of "Distributed Capacitance" in your super single wrap! Practically everything you say is total bull crap."
Every body know that even a straight wire has inductance and capacitance, don't you?
This is called linear inductance and distributed capacitance. ( with the earth as second conductor and with others parts of the same wire)
So, when you wind a wire to make a coil, each part of  surface has capacity with all other part of the wire and even with all part of universe. Fortunatly, only the parts sufficiently close one to the other have have a significative influences.

So a single coil has "Distributed Capacitance".
(https://www.google.fr/#q=Distributed+Capacitance+of+coil (https://www.google.fr/#q=Distributed+Capacitance+of+coil))

This is also why coils for high frequency are made in a herringbone kind of pattern and are called honeycomb coil or Basket winding (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_winding (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basket_winding)). Just to minimize the "Distributed Capacitance"...
@+

Heh.... and people think I use cardboard crap and random garage sale technology.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on August 01, 2014, 12:13:41 AM
TK,
There is no better source of materials than salvaged electronics. You never know what you might come across. I just salvaged a dual flyback setup that I wish someone could help me figure out before I end up dissecting.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 01, 2014, 12:22:03 AM
@TinselKoala
 From your post I even learned the sentence "a herringbone kind of pattern"...
Thanks  :)
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 12:27:09 AM
TK,
There is no better source of materials than salvaged electronics. You never know what you might come across. I just salvaged a dual flyback setup that I wish someone could help me figure out before I end up dissecting.

Yes for sure. Although nowadays the parts are so small and fragile there isn't much to salvage.
But I'll help you figure it out if I can. What's the issue? Can you post a photo? I like flybacks, have you seen my videos of flyback Jacob's Ladder?  :D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 12:40:28 AM
@TinselKoala
 From your post I even learned the sentence "a herringbone kind of pattern"...
Thanks  :)
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When fine wool cloth is woven that way, it is called "herringbone tweed" !

(It was the only word I could come up with at the time to describe how it was constructed. The "basketweave" word just didn't occur to me! Getting old I guess...   ;) )
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 01, 2014, 01:49:57 AM
In four hours HopeGirl turns into PumpkinGirl!  Jamie becomes StepDadPumpkin!

QEG forever!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on August 01, 2014, 01:55:41 AM
Hi TK,
First time to post a pic. Hope I did it right. Sony 1970s that I can not find any info on. Do you think it can be used as wired or just components.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 01, 2014, 02:20:25 AM
Can I buy one with carbon credits?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 01, 2014, 09:35:08 AM
@Angelic
Hi TK,
First time to post a pic. Hope I did it right. Sony 1970s that I can not find any info on. Do you think it can be used as wired or just components.

May be this schema from an old TV (1974) with Triniton from SONY will give you some ideas.
http://radio-piffret.pagesperso-orange.fr/Materiels_SONY_KV1220DF.pdf
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 01, 2014, 02:07:49 PM
"With an alternating current the magnetic state of affairs is never a settled one. Each time current direction reverses, so must the orientation of its associated magnetic field. The entire field collapses and rebuilds in a magnetically opposite direction".

"You find some quotes that misuse the word "collapse" for journalistic emphasis",

TinselKoala,

You're full of it! The collapse is not gradual, and furthermore, the reactive current that returns to the system is a negative value. The instant the reverse value shows above the zero line, the "Entire field collapses violently".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on August 01, 2014, 03:00:03 PM
I am glad you are back! What I have been demonstrating is the extraction / conversion of the "OU in VARs" that exists in resonant tank circuits, by using an inductively coupled tuned resonating receiver or Receptor circuit. This method loads the primary tank, naturally, but does not result in collapsing the resonance like a direct resistive load will do. Please check out my latest set of videos. I've shown: running a DC motor on the true output of the resonant system; attaining high voltages without the use of any inductive collapse spike collecting; and various methods of constructing Transverters and Receptors for this system. I am operating at much higher frequencies, though, but the principles will be the same. You will just need larger components to get down to your own resonant frequency range.
(grins evilly)


Thank you.
I'm catching up !
Cheers
Ariovaldo
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 01, 2014, 03:03:41 PM

Gotoluc lights an LED at no cost by pulsing a bifilar toroid. The toroid has a maget attached, and the LED's connected to an inductor, with the magnet for coil core. Look at the similarities to Tinselkoala's micro QEG:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQe49jH_3lA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQe49jH_3lA&feature=youtu.be)




This scope shot of LUC'S provide additional dimensions over TK's:
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 03:09:29 PM
Gotoluc lights an LED at no cost by pulsing a bifilar toroid. The toroid has a maget attached, and the LED's connected to an inductor, with the magnet for coil core. Look at the similarities to Tinselkoala's micro QEG:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQe49jH_3lA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQe49jH_3lA&feature=youtu.be)
What, you don't think a function generator is a power source? Now you are misrepresenting Gotoluc's work as well as Tesla's and my own.

Your statement above is also completely wrong. A sinusoidal signal does not produce any abrupt "collapse" in a magnetic field. In fact, a sinusoidal _response_ is the inevitable RESULT of attempting to drive a resonant system with pulses or spikes at its resonant frequency. You are simply wrong.

You also find yourself in the rather embarrassing position of having to explain why _my_ devices work as I say and demonstrate that they do, since what they do contradicts your predictions.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 01, 2014, 03:14:13 PM
"With an alternating current the magnetic state of affairs is never a settled one. Each time current direction reverses, so must the orientation of its associated magnetic field. The entire field collapses and rebuilds in a magnetically opposite direction".

"You find some quotes that misuse the word "collapse" for journalistic emphasis",

TinselKoala,

You're full of it! The collapse is not gradual, and furthermore, the reactive current that returns to the system is a negative value. The instant the reverse value shows above the zero line, the "Entire field collapses violently".
Synchro1, you are just embarrassing yourself.  TinselKoala's device generates nice, pure, smooth, sine waves.  There is no abrupt/violent redirection of current, voltage spike, etc.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 03:16:48 PM
Hi TK,
First time to post a pic. Hope I did it right. Sony 1970s that I can not find any info on. Do you think it can be used as wired or just components.
You have got a great bunch of stuff there. You definitely have two of the old-style flybacks, I think these will not have an internal diode and so will produce an AC output instead of a pulsed DC. I believe the big box is probably a high voltage rectifier system. The adjustable thing is a HV potentiometer used to control the "screen" voltage that comes out the white wires on the right, I think. The big black wires and the suction cups are the CRT anode connections of course and here is where the flyback's HV output will appear.
If the thing were mine, I would remove the two flybacks proper and wind heavy primaries on the exposed parts of the ferrites, immerse them in mineral oil and then drive them with a Royer/Mazilli/ZVS driver and make lots of high voltage arcs and sparks. Maybe do a "dueling flyback" kind of display with the arcs singing (audio modulated).  It's not too hard to find the HV secondary "ground" which will be one or more of the pins facing the camera, and the HV "high" is obvious. But definitely it is best to use your own primary rather than the one that is already in the flyback.

Best to limit the horizontal width of pictures to 1024 pixels or less. 800x600 displays well unless there is fine detail you want to emphasize. Wider pix push page controls and text off the right edge of most screens, as you can probably tell by now.
 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 03:24:28 PM
How to find the HV ground pin:
Wrap a 2-turn primary around the exposed section of the ferrite.
Take your voltmeter and set it to the very highest voltage range and connect one lead to the HV output and the other lead to one of the pins.
Use the Function Generator to send a 20 kHz square wave into the primary loop you have made. Start at zero output from the FG and _gently_ give it a little power.
Watch the meter. If you have the right ground pin you will _very quickly_ see a large voltage appear on the meter. 600 volts from just a tiny voltage in from the FG is not unusual.
If you don't have the right ground pin you will see no voltage rise or very little. So _carefully_ power down, move to another pin, and repeat the FG feed.

ETA: Since your flybacks are AC, I just realized you probably should use a rectifier diode like 1n4007 in series with the meter leads, and the DC voltage setting on your meter. All the flybacks I have here have internal diodes so I forget.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 03:31:17 PM
Gotoluc lights an LED at no cost by pulsing a bifilar toroid. The toroid has a maget attached, and the LED's connected to an inductor, with the magnet for coil core. Look at the similarities to Tinselkoala's micro QEG:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQe49jH_3lA&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQe49jH_3lA&feature=youtu.be)




This scope shot of LUC'S provide additional dimensions over TK's:

What do you mean, "additional dimensions"? The scope shots show a completely reactive system at 60 Hz. You can produce a screen that looks identical to this with a myriad of systems INCLUDING TBF and ordinary coils. In fact except for the values of the numbers, ALL reactive systems will produce a screen that looks like this. Resonant tanks produce sinusoidal V and I  measurements!  Although there is some asymmetrical distortion in Luc's traces that is not in mine.
Why don't you ask Luc if his coil's inductance and the added capacitance and the resulting frequency of resonance conform to the formulae I have posted?

ETA: Gotoluc's scope is computing the RMS value of the Math VA trace. Why? What physical meaning does "RMS power" have?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 01, 2014, 03:34:23 PM
Synchro1, you are just embarrassing yourself.  TinselKoala's device generates nice, pure, smooth, sine waves.  There is no abrupt/violent redirection of current, voltage spike, etc.


Tinselkoala's scope is not showing the 90 degree phase shifted reactive power from the field collapse.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 03:37:15 PM

Tinselkoala's scope is not showing the 90 degree phase shifted reactive power from the field collapse.

There is really something wrong with you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tinman on August 01, 2014, 03:48:01 PM
There is really something wrong with you.
@TK
Still learning scopes as you know-but why the DC coupling on an AC system?
And what scope program is that one your using,or do you need a cpu scope card aswell?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 01, 2014, 04:01:13 PM
Tinselkoala,


Very nice scope shot! We're discussing serial events of charge, field collapse and reactive power that are graphically depicted in two dimensions on the scope. In three dimensions the second sine wave at 90 degrees would produce a blinding flash of light from the A.C. field collapse flyback. This is a negative micro henry, because  consumption is positive, so power input measures negative.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 04:04:40 PM
@TK
Still learning scopes as you know-but why the DC coupling on an AC system?
And what scope program is that one your using,or do you need a cpu scope card aswell?
The second question is simple. The display is from the generously donated Link 2100 DSO, which uses the PC as its display/control interface. It is similar to the modern Hantek scope that I have recommended several times to beginning DSO users. Unfortunately the Link's math is very limited, it cannot do trace multiplication. I think the Hantek can, though.

The first question.
AC versus DC coupling is the most misunderstood feature of scoposcopy by far. 
All the "AC coupling" function does is to put a capacitor, usually 0.1 microFarad or so, in strict series with the probe's input lead. That is all it does. Period. The "DC coupled" setting is Direct Coupled, duh, without the capacitor.
Now, what effect does this have on the measurements you make with the scope? It should be obvious to you: the capacitor does not permit DC to pass, but it does permit AC to pass. So it effectively _removes_ any DC offset to an oscillating signal, and brings the _average_ of the oscillating part down to the zero reference of the scope's channel. This of course wreaks havok with almost all trace math and measurements, except for p-p amplitudes. You lose the DC offset information and the true amplitude of peak voltages when you use "AC coupled" settings.
OK, what are they for then?
The most often-used reason for AC coupling is to look at small ripples riding on top of large DC offset voltages. If you are DC-coupled and simply select high amplification settings on the vertical control, the DC offset will take your trace off the screen and you may not be able to move it back down with the vertical position controls... and you already know what your DC offset is anyhow. So you select "AC coupled" and bingo! The whole DC component is blocked, your vertical position control stays centered and the _average_ of the Ripple Only is now moved to your trace reference baseline position.

Now-- consider the times we have seen people making claims about power when one or more of their scope measurement came from a channel that is AC-coupled. You could literally have any amount of DC power flowing as offset, and you would never see it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 04:06:00 PM
Tinselkoala,


Very nice scope shot! We're discussing serial events of charge, field collapse and reactive power that are graphically depicted in two dimensions on the scope. In three dimensions the second sine wave at 90 degrees would produce a blinding flash of light from the A.C. field collapse flyback. This is a negative micro henry, because  consumption is positive, so power input measures negative.

Sigh.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 04:40:36 PM
@tinman: I've got several vids dealing with the issue of AC  and DC coupling. Here's one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVFyaQY6pR0
I'm a little annoyed in that video because I've been trying to explain these issues to LTseung for some time, since he is one of the culprits who have shown power measurements from AC-coupled channels, removing the DC contribution to the power he is trying to measure.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 01, 2014, 04:41:30 PM
Both the "Field collapse" and the polarity shift occur at the constant velocity of light. Tinselkoala has tested a "Transverter" that receives and rectifies the phase shifted  reactive power inductively. Gotoluc harvests this same kind of LED power in his video with a magnet core inductor from a pulsed bifilar toroid, with no apparent rise in input.   


The question arises wether or not the reactive power follows the power formula for radio waves!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 01, 2014, 05:18:23 PM
@Tinselkoala,


I think it would be especially interesting to see if a magnet core inductor wired to a load, LED or fast diode and electrolytic capacitor, like Gototluc's would work as well or better then your resonant transverter when placed inside the the bifilar primary! Notice that the magnet core inductor rectifies as well as transverts!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 08:32:08 PM
I think it would be especially interesting for you to do some actual experimentation of your own for a change.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 08:53:19 PM
Now let's take a look at Luc's scopeshot and analyze it.

First, it shows a Voltage and a Current trace that are, to first order, sinusoidal, and 90 degrees of phase shift, approximately.

We know that if you do the instantaneous multiplication of V and I you get an accurate and true _instantaneous power_ curve. That is what is shown as the Red Math trace. This is correct. At any instant you can look at that math trace and see what the actual power is at that moment.

But is this also the "average" or mean power that can be dissipated in a load? We know how to find that, from the RMS values of sinusoidal V and I:

V rms x I rms x cosine (phase angle) = average power

Right?

Solving this equation from the scope's reported Vrms and Irms and the 90 degree phase angle.... what is the result?

Is this result equal to the "Math rms" value on the scope screen? Which value is correct for the power represented by the scope V and I traces?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on August 01, 2014, 09:28:49 PM
Thanks for the input on my salvaged part. I will give it a try. And Tk I do watch all of your videos. Next time I will get my image size right.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 09:41:21 PM
Thanks for the input on my salvaged part. I will give it a try. And Tk I do watch all of your videos. Next time I will get my image size right.
You're welcome, and thanks for watching!
It looks like that part has already been used for some "nefarious purpose", it seems to be rewired somewhat.
If you haven't already found it, the flyback HV section in the Sony TV circuit diagram is at the very lower left corner. It's not too helpful though; I think that one is a single FBT design.


ETA: You can use the exact same circuit I am using here, except use IRFP260n mosfets and around 600 nF tank capacitance. Wind 6-8 turns of heavy wire around the exposed leg of the ferrite core of the FBT and connect that as the "loop". But be very careful... only one mistake is all it takes and you really will be "angelic"...   ;) .
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 10:01:54 PM
We also know another way to get to the average power shown on Gotoluc's scopeshot, and that is to _integrate_ the Instantaneous Power function (the red Math trace) over a time interval (answer will be in Joules), then divide that value by the time (result will be in Joules per second, ie Watts).  What do you get when you do that? Does that answer resemble the "Math RMS" value?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on August 01, 2014, 10:03:29 PM
TK this is how it was wired coming out of the unit (Sony KP-5000) a real dinosaur. Pull it up and you will see what I mean.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 10:11:00 PM
TK this is how it was wired coming out of the unit (Sony KP-5000) a real dinosaur. Pull it up and you will see what I mean.
Cool! I hope you have as much fun with it as the designers did! Have you got the rest of the chassis as well? There may be more good stuff in there.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 01, 2014, 10:38:57 PM
@Tinselkoala,


Here's my version of the QEG: The Primary is a 16 & 32 gauge bifilar.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 11:14:24 PM
Looks like a synchronous magnetball spinner to me. Where is your drive circuit, your scopeshots, your output driving a separate motor?


Meanwhile, back at the ranch...

http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG


No word of any "self runner" from Pennsylvania or anywhere else... but the lies keep spewing out and the money keeps rolling in.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 01, 2014, 11:14:25 PM
Now let's take a look at Luc's scopeshot and analyze it
...
Is this result equal to the "Math rms" value on the scope screen? Which value is correct for the power represented by the scope V and I traces?

@TinselKoala
"Is this result equal to the "Math rms" value on the scope screen? Which value is correct for the power represented by the scope V and I traces?"
Answerd 1: NO
Answerd 2: 0
The red scope display is the instantaneous power value, but it does not take it as a power but take it as voltage, so it display "instantaneous power value"max/sqrt(2) : the max on the red curve is when the V and I curve cross, and they croos at 2.5 divisions in Y, so max red curve value is 
2.5*100(V/div) * 2.5*0.32(I/div)=82.5 
and the MATH RMS displayed is 82.5/1.414=58...
But this is not the power it PowerVA/sqrt(2), it's nothing...
True power is AVG (on one cycle)/T=0  in W
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 01, 2014, 11:20:56 PM

@Tinselkoala,


I noticed with your resonant transverter, output was reflected by input. Gotoluc's magnet core inductor generates it's own current that's not reflected by rise in input.


I noticed the same effect. The noise that is emitted by my QEG when in resonance is like a 5 track Home Theatre surround sound effect. The deep humming very powerful.
 
The magnet is excited by the bifilar primary magnetic field  activity and responds with it's own power generating oscillation that has no return influence on the primary draw.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 11:35:22 PM
@Tinselkoala,


I noticed with your resonant transverter, output was reflected by input. Gotoluc's magnet core inductor generates it's own current that's not reflected by rise in input.


I noticed the same effect. The noise that is emitted by my QEG when in resonance is like a 5 track Home Theatre surround sound effect. The deep humming very powerful.
 
The magnet is excited by the bifilar primary magnetic field  activity and responds with it's own power generating oscillation that has no return influence on the primary draw.

Then neither you nor Gotoluc will have any difficulty showing a self-running device. Please post the video link as soon as you have it running itself on its own power generating oscillation.

You are misrepresenting your device when you call it a "QEG". It is neither a self-resonating oscillator nor can it function as a power supply for external circuits. But we know how you like to misrepresent stuff.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 01, 2014, 11:38:18 PM
@TinselKoala
"Is this result equal to the "Math rms" value on the scope screen? Which value is correct for the power represented by the scope V and I traces?"
Answerd 1: NO
Answerd 2: 0
The red scope display is the instantaneous power value, but it does not take it as a power but take it as voltage, so it display "instantaneous power value"max/sqrt(2) : the max on the red curve is when the V and I curve cross, and they croos at 2.5 divisions in Y, so max red curve value is 
2.5*100(V/div) * 2.5*0.32(I/div)=82.5 
and the MATH RMS displayed is 82.5/1.414=58...
But this is not the power it PowerVA/sqrt(2), it's nothing...
True power is AVG (on one cycle)/T=0  in W
@+

Exactly.

I wanted Synchro to answer those questions for himself, though, since he posted the scopeshot in the first place as evidence of... what I'm not sure, but there is NO real power shown on that scopeshot and the "MATH rms" value is meaningless.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tinman on August 02, 2014, 12:51:32 AM
@tinman: I've got several vids dealing with the issue of AC  and DC coupling. Here's one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVFyaQY6pR0
I'm a little annoyed in that video because I've been trying to explain these issues to LTseung for some time, since he is one of the culprits who have shown power measurements from AC-coupled channels, removing the DC contribution to the power he is trying to measure.
Thanks for all the info TK,i will go have a look at your video.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 02, 2014, 01:53:35 AM
Then neither you nor Gotoluc will have any difficulty showing a self-running device. Please post the video link as soon as you have it running itself on its own power generating oscillation.

You are misrepresenting your device when you call it a "QEG". It is neither a self-resonating oscillator nor can it function as a power supply for external circuits. But we know how you like to misrepresent stuff.


I ran pulse current through the primary bifilar from a Vellamen PWM I built from kit form, and recovered output from my magnet core bifilar toroid. I designed this kind  of device in theory on the "Solid State Synchro Coil" thread. I've been experimenting with magnet coil output recievers for over a decade.


Just because I have a photo voltaic panel that generates power dosn't mean I have to cover my roof with them to show it works. Gotoluc demonstrates the effect sufficiently, without pioneering a Power Company!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 02, 2014, 03:09:01 AM
Please Synchro do some research, here's a good link below. Ignore the "beginners" label to the page the info is very good.

http://sound.westhost.com/xfmr.htm

Snippet
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4.   Interesting Things About Transformers

As discussed above, the impedance ratio is the square of the turns ratio, but this is only one of many interesting things about transformers ... (well, I happen to think they are interesting, anyway ).

For example, one would think that increasing the number of turns would increase the flux density, since there are more turns contributing to the magnetic field. In fact, the opposite is true, and for the same input voltage, an increase in the number of turns will decrease the flux density and vice versa. This is counter-intuitive until you realise that an increase in the number of turns increases the inductance, and therefore reduces the current through each coil.

I have already mentioned that the power factor (and phase shift) varies according to load, and this (although mildly interesting) is not of any real consequence to most of us.

A very interesting phenomenon exists when we draw current from the secondary. Since the primary current increases to supply the load, we would expect that the magnetic flux in the core would also increase (more amps, same number of turns, more flux). In fact, the flux density decreases! In a perfect transformer with no copper loss, the flux would remain the same - the extra current supplies the secondary only. In a real transformer, as the current is increased, the losses increase proportionally, and there is slightly less flux at full power than at no load.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 02, 2014, 04:19:59 AM
Please Synchro do some research, here's a good link below. Ignore the "beginners" label to the page the info is very good.

http://sound.westhost.com/xfmr.htm (http://sound.westhost.com/xfmr.htm)

Snippet
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Why should he ignore the beginner's label? If the shoe fits, he can wear it proudly.

A decade of constructing confirmatory demonstrations can be completely invalidated by a single proper TRUE EXPERIMENT.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 02, 2014, 04:30:56 AM
Meanwhile... here it is August 2 almost and there has been no word from Pennsylvania, no word from the UK, no word from Florida, not from Taiwan or South Africa, not from Morocco or Germany..... but Jamie was only "hours away from self running" weeks ago, and many dollars in donations have been made since then to help get the Philadelphia Prototype to run by the end of July..... and all I hear is the sound of crickets chirping.

Hey, FIX THE WORLD QEG BUILDERS: your world is broken and you are helping to keep it broken by your cynical fraudulent campaign, which sucks up money and other human resources that would be much better spent doing other things.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 02, 2014, 04:42:11 AM
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Continuous, 600HZ, 12vdc input, 120VAC output, runs 160-328ft EL, Dimensions: 2 7/8" x 5 1/8" x 1 3/4", Weight: 2lb 3oz. Use at least 2.1 amp power supply when running 200+ feet. Made in USA. Our Price: $89.00

This electroluminescent inverter produces a 120 volt AC current at 600 hertz. This is pretty close to the signal Gotoluc uses in his toroid 2 experiment.


Large diametric tube magnets wrapped in trifilar coils, one series bifilar to run the hi frequency current through and a third for output to diode and capacitor, should generate the same kind of free energy Gotoluc's bifilar toroid does. These magnet generators could be wired in series.


The frequency is is magnifying the field, resulting in the increased reactive current. The field fluctuation and intensity oscillates the output core magnet through the bifilar and generates a current in the output winding free of charge, if the current goes to run the light panel.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 02, 2014, 05:03:21 AM
Here's a scope capture below of the "HV tank" in the set up I had going last night, the setup was,

1) the 18 uH spiral coil with 20 nF across the single mosfet switch, which produces DC "lumps".
2) the coupled tank circuit which is 320 uH - 56 turns and the variable tuning capacitor 40 pF to 1300 pF.
3) the output coil of about 24 uH about 16 turns (wound next to the tank coil)with a tuning inductor with
moveable core (2 to 18 uH) and 20 nF across it all with a FR FWBR and 6.8 uF output cap.

This setup pulled between 80 mA and 200 mA from the 12.5 volt supply, with different loads and tuning.
Tank phase changed only slightly.

I was able to power a small disk drive motor with 10.5 volts and 80 mA from the output or light LED's.

The tank coil voltage is high enough at full tune to make neon's held in the hand near the coil glow. Fluro's can be lit by
touching them to one tank conductor ect.

With this arrangement if the loads are right for the output and the tank is tuned the setup draws more power to
supply the load while maintaining a quite high tank activity.

I've dismantled it to try halving the tank and output coil resistances as well as increase their capacitance.

Yellow trace is the tank voltage. 199 Volts RMS sine wave

Blue trace is the voltage sensed across a 5 Watt 0.1 Ohm resistor. 0.121 v RMS / 0.1 Ohms = 1.2 Amps.

Phase is showing real power being consumed.

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Or could the phase be a result of the fact that the tank coil is a serial connected bifilar "wound" coil with about 400 pF capacitance
between the windings ?
The output coil is also serial connected bifilar "wound". But it's only small.

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Maybe a significant amount of energy is staying in the coil and not oscillating between the external cap and the coil but also
between the coils own capacitance and the coils inductance ?

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 02, 2014, 05:54:06 AM
Meanwhile... here it is August 2 almost and there has been no word from Pennsylvania, no word from the UK, no word from Florida, not from Taiwan or South Africa, not from Morocco or Germany..... but Jamie was only "hours away from self running" weeks ago, and many dollars in donations have been made since then to help get the Philadelphia Prototype to run by the end of July..... and all I hear is the sound of crickets chirping.

Hey, FIX THE WORLD QEG BUILDERS: your world is broken and you are helping to keep it broken by your cynical fraudulent campaign, which sucks up money and other human resources that would be much better spent doing other things.
My sources tell me that Jamie has in fact been successful and has managed to close the loop and create a self runner. Unfortunately in building the QEG he has run foul of QED and has apparently winked out of existence, so I do not think we will be hearing any thing further from him. I'm told that Hopeless Girl is devastated by the loss of her step father and more so by the loss of the knowledge he took with him. Oh well!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: picowatt on August 02, 2014, 06:00:55 AM
My sources tell me that Jamie has in fact been successful and has managed to close the loop and create a self runner. Unfortunately in building the QEG he has run foul of QED and has apparently winked out of existence, so I do not think we will be hearing any thing further from him. I'm told that Hopeless Girl is devastated by the loss of her step father and more so by the loss of the knowledge he took with him. Oh well!

That was good for a chuckle!  Thanks...

You know, TT warned people not to play, if you could not pay, for the proper training.

This could be the best "out" yet, it's done, it worked, but everyone involved winked out to another dimension.

Sorry...

PW
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 02, 2014, 06:58:24 AM
I think I've noticed an odd quirk with my circuit to do with the power factor, the tank and the supply.
I'll make a drawing and explain my thoughts.

I'm using a bench power supply that will take a reverse current. Power can be taken and returned but it's a DC supply.

Maybe someone can help with understanding the phase relationship and what is causing it.

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P.S. Here's the setup below. Question could power be transferred back to the supply from the tank during part of each cycle ?

The supply circuit closes the switch which energizes the coil then the switch closes and the coil discharges into the cap.
Then the cap discharges back through the spiral coil to the supply ? All the while transferring some energy to the tank.

Anyway the phase angle is either 33 or -147 or so in the tank with some load.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 02, 2014, 09:15:19 AM
Have you opened up your bench power supply to look at its output circuit? Mine includes electrolytic capacitors and reverse-biased Schottky diodes across the output terminals.

@Synchro: Notice that Farmhand is sowing a square or spiky pulse, and reaping a sine wave response in his resonant tank. And of course since his stimulating pulses have fast rise and fall times the _voltage_ in the coupled tank is greater than in a system like mine that is strictly sinusoidal (or half-sine) throughout. Also I think he is getting substantial transformer effect as well. The Farmhand coupled tank is halfway between my two PTO circuits: the loopstick based HV Receptor, and the motor driving low voltage high current TKTransverter.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 02, 2014, 09:37:00 AM
@Farmhand: Is the negative of your Pulse Generator grounded? IE will the 330 uF capacitor be connected to the negative rail through the Pulse Generator?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 02, 2014, 10:06:53 AM
Yeah Tinsel, The 330 uF cap might be a 470 uF I think and it is grounded to circuit ground, the negative of the cap goes to circuit
ground and the positive goes to the positive rail. the pulse generator has another 100 uF cap which is fed through a diode for the
logic oscillator.

I have a loop made from 4 x 1 mm wires about 200 diameter it shows about 1.5 volts when near the setup, maybe I can use it for a feedback for a resonance seeking logic circuit of some kind, maybe AC.

Here's the setup lighting some LED's and the fluro in the hand deal for fun. The 10 LED's voltage required means the output is near
it's upper voltage level and not much power is drawn. The motor runs at 10 volts or so and draws the most power as a load so far.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 02, 2014, 10:28:04 AM
No I haven't pulled the top off the supply but I will, it's a 3 in 1 rework station (cheap one). It detects RF apparently the signal
topped out during one experiment.  :)

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 02, 2014, 10:46:48 AM
Ah, I must be getting senile. I should have included some CFLs and other fluorescents in my last video. Didn't even think of it.

Here's what I think. Although I didn't show it in the video, both the TKSlayer and the uQEG are oscillating at about the same frequency. The difference, and the key to the different performance of the receiver-probes, is that the Slayer is oscillating at high voltage and low current, and the uQEG is oscillating at low voltage and high current. So even though both are emitting an RF electromagnetic field, the E field predominates with the Slayer output and the B field with the uQEG. I think.

Your coupled tank is also a radiator at the same time it is a receiver and because of your geometry and driving, I think you are generating enough E field to light the neons  and fluorescents and all of that, and also enough B field to drive the third coil and give you the current needed to run a motor. I think. Maybe.

(What is different about the miniTKSlayer from the "regular" Slayer Exciter is that the TKSlayer is bottom-loaded and center-driven and the primary is a TBF winding. Also some slightly different components, but the tunable bottom  loading and center excitation are the main differences and are why/how I am able to resonate at ~300 kHz with such a physically small coil and no external tank capacitor.)

ETA: You should be able to take that loop of 1mm wires, figure out its inductance, put the right cap value across it to make it into a resonant tank, and then drive a light bulb! The voltage won't build until you have the right capacitance across the loop, then it will go up from your measured 1.5 volts and should drive a resistive load no problem. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 02, 2014, 11:32:02 AM
Yeah I can tune the loop with the setup now running and find the capacitance that way.

You're right about the power supply it does have a diode at the output, but it also has some big resistors there.

The "RF" detector in this unit has a open ended "antenna" wire inside the box.

What are your thoughts on a resonant tank that has 320 uH and 400 pF "inherent" distributed capacitance and 800 pF external
tank capacitance, what would go on there as far as the current and the oscillating power goes because I would think that 1/3 of
the total tank energy would not see the external capacitor. Any thoughts on that. Can't be good. Unless to improve power factor
on some device. 1/3 of the energy is "locked" up in the coil and does not leave (more or less). As Tesla said the higher the
voltage and frequency the more energy that distributed capacitance "locks" out of the output.

If I had zero distributed capacitance and 1200 pF would the tank current not be more ?

What effect would that have on the phase between voltage and current in the tank ?

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P.S. Since my input is DC lumps I didn't want to distort the tank wave forms too much so thats why I used the output coil.

Gotta love tuned circuits. Fun to play with when the voltage on a 60 turn coil goes off the scope screen at 100 volts per division
with about 3 Watts input.  ;D

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 02, 2014, 01:21:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djhi8hf47Gg

Thumbs up!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 02, 2014, 01:28:35 PM
I've built a tiny motor/generator which runs from the output, the generator is belt driven and puts out a fairly steady voltage to run
LED's from, it's hilarious. I can even measure the generator output. Printer motors can be fun.

Just waiting for the camera batteries to charge to get a piccie.  ;D Tank V and I phase is now 56 degrees or so. Max activity I can get is almost 1000 volts and about 1.45 Amps at about 45 degrees I think, scope trace is off the screen, need to try out the 100 x probe.

None of the measurements make much sense to me.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 02, 2014, 03:50:42 PM
Some should get a laugh from the video clip below. Might need to turn up the volume to
hear the motor generator hit resonance power level, it's quiet.

I wrote a bit of a description  ;)

Central Queensland Has Resonance YaY. Here's a short clip showing the
motor generator light up the lights when the magic resonance is achieved.
That's 2 motors one driving a generator and some lights from energy tapped
out of the resonant tank.  :o

Resonant Tank Tapping with Resonance ! Tesla's Bad Dream circuit.  ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqqeCtdHyUA

Not all rosy though there is a cost.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on August 02, 2014, 04:50:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djhi8hf47Gg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djhi8hf47Gg)

Thumbs up!

LOL. We need to follow this guys progress  :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 02, 2014, 06:49:45 PM
Except for some wildcatters, it's like a ghost town in a Spaghetti Western.

The Good, the Bad, and the Qweegie.... for a Fistful of Dollars!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 02, 2014, 07:36:13 PM
Except for some wildcatters, it's like a ghost town in a Spaghetti Western.

The Good, the Bad, and the Qweegie.... for a Fistful of Dollars!

Exactly!  Also, let's not forget the sequel..."For A Few Dollars More."  Will James be The Man With No Name soon?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 02, 2014, 08:56:42 PM
Their face is gaunt their eyes were blurred and shirts all soaked with sweat
They're ridin' hard to catch that herd but they ain't caught 'em yet
'Cause they've got to ride forever on that range up in the sky
On horses snorting fire as they ride on hear their cry

Yipie I ayyyyy Yipie I ohhhhhh
Ghost riders in the sky

As the riders rode on by him he heard one call his name
If you want to save your soul from hell a riding on our range
Then cowboy change your ways today or with us you will ride
Tryin' to catch this devil's herd across these endless skies

Yipie I ayyyyy Yipie I ohhhhh
Ghost riders in the sky
Ghost riders in the sky
Ghost riders in the sky

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xsfw9CEQITA
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 03, 2014, 01:24:06 AM
Some should get a laugh from the video clip below. Might need to turn up the volume to
hear the motor generator hit resonance power level, it's quiet.

I wrote a bit of a description  ;)

Central Queensland Has Resonance YaY. Here's a short clip showing the
motor generator light up the lights when the magic resonance is achieved.
That's 2 motors one driving a generator and some lights from energy tapped
out of the resonant tank.  :o

Resonant Tank Tapping with Resonance ! Tesla's Bad Dream circuit.  ;)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqqeCtdHyUA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqqeCtdHyUA)

Not all rosy though there is a cost.

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Well Done ! It looks like you are only Minutes Away from Self Running! 

Now you can get that little mo-gen setup to charge up a big bank of capacitors, and when it's charged, you can swap out your main power supply and put in the capacitor bank as PS and demonstrate your apparatus running on its own power, that came from itself! And nobody, no where, will be able to argue with you.

 ;)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 03, 2014, 05:04:21 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djhi8hf47Gg

Thumbs up!

Yeah this guy makes some good points and his QEG looks real nice "picture perfect". I'm not sure I want to see his replication of
the Rattatooee Transvestiter though.  :D

Tinsel, I'm afraid I'll have to defer the self running for a while yet, a set up with no AC 50/60 Hz output is not much use, so I
found a multi pole AC permanent magnet generator that will output 240 volts AC at 50/60 Hz if I can gear it right.
Once I get a 50 Hz 240 volt generator going I can run the house from it and sell power back to the power company.

I don't need it to self run if I can run it from a battery charged by solar panels, so the self running is on the back burner, sorry to all my investors, hold tight, the longer we wait the worse the world will get, so then we can fix it more with a bit of hope.

Cheers
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 03, 2014, 06:24:50 AM
Yeah this guy makes some good points and his QEG looks real nice "picture perfect". I'm not sure I want to see his replication of
the Rattatooee Transvestiter though.  :D

Tinsel, I'm afraid I'll have to defer the self running for a while yet, a set up with no AC 50/60 Hz output is not much use, so I
found a multi pole AC permanent magnet generator that will output 240 volts AC at 50/60 Hz if I can gear it right.
Once I get a 50 Hz 240 volt generator going I can run the house from it and sell power back to the power company.

I don't need it to self run if I can run it from a battery charged by solar panels, so the self running is on the back burner, sorry to all my investors, hold tight, the longer we wait the worse the world will get, so then we can fix it more with a bit of hope.

Cheers

Farmhand:

But what about all of those folks just waiting, check book in hand, to donate to you?  What will they do?  They will be very disappointed if you do not take their money.  You might want to re-think this.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 03, 2014, 08:27:44 AM
Actually Pirate, I still need to experiment with the lower inductance - higher capacitance tank, lower voltage more current.
Not sure it will work as well as far as output voltage goes but maybe better efficiency since the resistance will be halved in the coil,
and the radiative and distributed capacitance losses will be less. I can run the primary coil from up to 100 volts, the circuit 15v.
bit the capacitor is still the same. I'll need to choose good capacitors and employ a tuning coil in the tank with a fixed capacitance.
That will save space as well as be less sensitive, easier to tune, ( the variable capacitor is very touchy ). When the tank voltage is
very high the presence of the body and other things become an issue.

I intend now to scrap the mechanical AC 240 volt generator idea as too lossy.

Now I intend to "stiffen" the output with a bigger good quality capacitor and simply design an inverter circuit to run from
the voltage on that, I'll design it to run from 5 volts but tolerate more and output 120<0>120 with a 14 volt winding or something.
Maybe 60<0>60 might be better. I might already have one.
 
There is a design for a relay that outputs a sine wave efficiently but I'm not keen on that (noise) I'll use push pull mosfets, maybe uC.

I'm interested in setting up a small exhibit showing energy collection - power generation - transformation - transmission and then
the down transformation and translation devices and various loads, which can all be measured, then the effect of the end use
can be seen in the generator and so forth.

The little AC motor is from a microwave turntable and has a single coil with upper and lower "pole plates" which bend around the
coil and make 8 - N-S poles, 4 cycles per revolution, slow motor, maybe mini wind turbine. It might need rewinding with better wire.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 03, 2014, 01:56:47 PM
I maintain that: Ferrite cores transform A.C current, and Magnet cores multiply A.C. current.


Tinsel Koala mentioned "Standing wave resonance" in his QEG. How do these standing waves differ from the longitudinal magnet wave?


The magnet core multiplier is a trifilar solinoid with same core diameter diametric tube magnets in the bore hole. A high frequency sign wave oscillation sent through the series bifilar coil, made from the trifilar coil, at resonance,  should deliver equal power through the 3rd coil, with no rise in input, through reactive flux transfer, not induction.   


A magnet placed next to a live wire carrying A.C. current has no effect on the current. However, I maintain the inverse is not true; "The magnet's effected by the A.C. current"! 


That's the underlying principle that delivered Mega OU from Floyd Sweet's "Vacuum Triode Amplifier". My "Magnet Core Multiplier" is practically identical to Floyd's initial design, and Bedini's first coil approach. Then Bedini seperated and redistributed the inductance of the output coil with a cross pattern. Note that both VTA output and input coils are series bifilar in the schematic below:
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Bob Smith on August 03, 2014, 04:56:15 PM
Sorry, posted by mistake.
B
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 03, 2014, 05:06:02 PM
Tinselkoala defies me to perform my own tests. I don't have his sensing equipment. Here's what he needs to do: First he needs to shop out a beat up old Gauss meter at one his yard sales on special deal.


Hook a wire up to the scope. Run A.C. current through it, then Move a permanent magnet around the wire and monitor scope activity. I can save him the time cause I already tried it. Nada!


Next, attach a Gauss meter probe to the magnet, and measure field fluctuation from the A.C. current. Now the needle moves! What's going on here? Floyd has trouble explaining this. It's the reactive magnetic field at work on the magnet! The magnet has no effect on the reactive field or the current, but the reactive magnetic field causes an effect on the permanent magnet. This is an overunity effect.


TK needs to perform this radical experiment. This is free power folks! The VTA tested out at millions of times OU!


The A.C. current wire can't see the permanent magnet, but the permanent magnet can see the A.C. current wire!

TK already uploaded a video of A.C current spinning a compass needle, so we don't need a second test. Also Tesla's A.C. induction motor in practically every home appliance makes this test overly redundant.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 03, 2014, 05:36:53 PM
Well it seems at a glance ( could be wrong ) that I've broken the 1 kV, the 1 kW, and the 1.4 kVAR mark with my HV tank.  ;D

What does this mean ? Where is the 1 kW of real power going and where is the 400 Watts of reactive power going ?
Seems odd. Input was 14 volts and 450 mA = 6.3 Watts.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 03, 2014, 06:28:14 PM
"In the case of AC currents, the geometry or position of the magnet and the wire will determine whether it contributes what is known as impedance to the circuit and therefore decrease the amount of power to the load".


Notice that Bedini positions his bifilar input exciter coil on the perpendicular between the opposing permanent magnet fields, completely eliminating field related impedance in the VTA input coil.


The "Magnet Core Multiplier" vectors the diametric magnet solinoid core field by 90 degrees, through the side of the wire, not end to end. This perpendicular field vectoring achieves zero impedance form the PM field in the coil, like Bedini's spiral at 90 degrees. Coupled with running the bifilar at self resonant frequency, we can eliminate reactive Ohms as well, and the gain in coil voltage. That makes the output all gravy.


I think a Quadfilar wrap with a series bifilar output coil would improve the MCM "Synchro Coil".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 03, 2014, 08:32:54 PM
Synchro

STOP MISREPRESENTING MY WORK.  I have asked you time and time again to STOP MISREPRESENTING MY WORK.

You have shown amply that you are stuck in some fantasy mindset involving Tesla, multiple coil windings and now Bedini, and you have a remarkable facility for ignoring experimental evidence that you don't like.

If there was some way I could prevent you from watching any of my videos I would do it. You completely IGNORE the actual messages in my videos and you add your own BOGUS interpretations and then you come on here and spew your garbage about what you think you see and what you think you  know, but it's garbage.  You continue to prove the old adage: You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make him drink. Or, in your case, think. You do nothing more than confuse the  issue, and when you start talking about BEDINI, ffs, you are even more off the mark than when you misrepresent Tesla's work. Why don't you start your OWN DAMN THREAD and talk about YOUR OWN WORK, and stop referring to me at all. Then you can misinterpret Bedini and lie about Tesla all you like, and maybe your sycophant script-kiddies will go along with you.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 03, 2014, 08:34:54 PM
St. John's wort!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 03, 2014, 10:23:23 PM
Wierd rumblings coming down through attic! Maybe the monkey got loose?


The newly revised "Synchro (VTA) Coil" has a magnet wire series bifilar over dielectric tape next to the magnet coating, then a thick insulated wire series bifilar of few turns on top. The primary's supplied oscillating sine wave power, of high frequency and high amperage. A Quadfilar! The output can be transformed down, rectified and looped back to storage capacitors for input. 


The input only has to pass through the primary on a loop back to source capacitor. The actual input comes down to the cost to run the signal generator, (Inverter  and high frequency generator), and the overall loss to reistance. The output would equal the strength of the entire signal. Therefore, the COP depends on the efficiency of the input recovery circuit. The PM field can't work backwards on the primary current, like Lenz drag!










 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 03, 2014, 11:50:09 PM
Synchro1:

You have indeed been in 'fantasy mode' for a few days now and that pollutes this thread about the QEG.  So perhaps revive the bifilar thread and have fun posting your fantasies there.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 03, 2014, 11:59:57 PM
The QEG hit the obituary column with a resounding thud three days ago. I am here with a safety net for all the disillusioned. There's hope! Every cloud has a silver lining:




                                                                   "THE VACUUM QUADRODE AMPLIFIER"!



(Temporarily unavailable due to shortfall of inventory)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on August 04, 2014, 04:01:01 AM
I'm relocated on the old Solid State "Synchro Coil" thread.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 04, 2014, 04:46:08 AM
Here's a shot I took this morning, the purple trace is (X times Y) Math, but I have no idea how to interpret that to an actual
power value (scope doesn't do it). I need to connect to the computer and really get a grip on the UltraScope program, maybe
that will help.

Anyway. What does MATH Scale - 50.0 Vz mean ? User guide doesn't say what it means or anything about MATH except FFT.

I'm not sure but I think I should be inverting the current sense (blue) trace because it's common ground, but I'm not sure
it matters in a tank, I'll play more later.

First shot is the HV tank. Second shot is the Output tank with no load.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 04, 2014, 05:02:56 AM
AHAH, I thought the measurement for current was too hig, so I took the measurements again and it seems I had an issue with the
blue probe. It seems the current is much less, only 1.8 amps. I also inverted the blue trace for the current.
.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 04, 2014, 09:31:41 AM
@Farmhand:
The Math trace is showing you "V2" not "Vz". Since you are multiplying two voltage traces! It probably does that instead of "VV" like some scopes do, for reasons that should be clear: VV looks a lot like W.

But that's kind of encouraging. Perhaps the channel you are using for "current" has, in the "probe type" menu, an option for "Current Probe" and some choices under that. If you choose one of these, the Channel display should then read out in Amps and the Math trace will give you W instead of V2 .  At least many DSOs with math operate that way.


So to get from your "Vz" or really V x V trace to power, you have to know the value of the CSR to scale the reading. The reading on the scope will be (50 / Rcsr) Watts per division since the second V is really I = Vdrop/Rcsr. At least if I did the algebra right.... please check.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 04, 2014, 09:48:19 AM
Thanks a heap Tinsel, I owe you a cheeseburger.  ;)

The CSR is 0.1 Ohms. So that would be 500 Watts per division ? Maybe I should make some carbon block resistors at 0.1 Ohm.

I'll check out the probe options and try connecting to the computer later for a closer look.

P.S. Well that doesn't make a lot of sense either when I do the power calculation.

340 RMS x 1.82 RMS = 618 VA
618 x 0.73 = 451 W
618 - 451 = 167 VAR

Must be the phase angle measured is incorrect. The probes have capacitance that I just tune with (use it to tune) it has an effect
as the total capacitance for the HV tank is only about 1 nF. And the resistor is a wire one.

.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 04, 2014, 10:12:12 AM
Tinsel could you please check the current magnitude with the reactance method ? The coil is 320 uH. Frequency is 294 kHz and
the voltage is 340 VRMS. I'm concerned the electric field is influencing the probe.

Or better still can you just give me the formula, some tips, and I'll give it a go.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 04, 2014, 11:15:28 AM
@Farmland
May be a schematic with where the probes are, and components value will be better to understand the problem and help you.  :)
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 04, 2014, 11:17:43 AM
Thanks a heap Tinsel, I owe you a cheeseburger.  ;)

The CSR is 0.1 Ohms. So that would be 500 Watts per division ? Maybe I should make some carbon block resistors at 0.1 Ohm.
Yes, that is right and I checked the math at several points on the actual scopetrace.
Quote
I'll check out the probe options and try connecting to the computer later for a closer look.

P.S. Well that doesn't make a lot of sense either when I do the power calculation.

340 RMS x 1.82 RMS = 618 VA
618 x 0.73 = 451 W
618 - 451 = 167 VAR

Must be the phase angle measured is incorrect. The probes have capacitance that I just tune with (use it to tune) it has an effect
as the total capacitance for the HV tank is only about 1 nF. And the resistor is a wire one.

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Getting the phase angle right is the biggest problem, all right. That's what I suspect is going on with Bill Alek's demonstration as well. Small errors can accumulate. For example that current monitor he is using: the spec sheet says it has a 3 microsecond response delay. This works out to about 3 degrees or so at 3200 Hz, if I did _that_ math right. Now many good DSOs have a "probe deskew" calibration function that is supposed to compensate for timing errors like this; of course I don't know about Alek's in that regard or if they appreciate its use. This turned out to be the source of the Steorn OU measurements: they did not de-skew their active probes so they would be truly synchronous. Of course no DSO is truly synchronous anyway, since they only take one sample at a time, no matter how many channels there are.

I should think that probe capacitances on the order of a few tens of pF wouldn't hurt much, but you are right, with tiny tank caps the probes become more significant.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 04, 2014, 11:29:26 AM
Tinsel could you please check the current magnitude with the reactance method ? The coil is 320 uH. Frequency is 294 kHz and
the voltage is 340 VRMS. I'm concerned the electric field is influencing the probe.

Or better still can you just give me the formula, some tips, and I'll give it a go.

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Uh, let's see. 320 uH at 294 kHz is an inductive reactance of 591 Ohms. So neglecting DC resistance, then the current I = V/X = about 0.58 Amps rms. It requires around 900 pF for resonance at that frequency.

Can that be right?

Here are my favorite calculators:
http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-XLC.htm (http://www.sengpielaudio.com/calculator-XLC.htm)
http://www.1728.org/resfreq.htm (http://www.1728.org/resfreq.htm)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 04, 2014, 11:38:04 AM
Thanks a heap Tinsel, I owe you a cheeseburger.  ;)

The CSR is 0.1 Ohms. So that would be 500 Watts per division ? Maybe I should make some carbon block resistors at 0.1 Ohm.

I'll check out the probe options and try connecting to the computer later for a closer look.

P.S. Well that doesn't make a lot of sense either when I do the power calculation.

340 RMS x 1.82 RMS = 618 VA
618 x 0.73 = 451 W
618 - 451 = 167 VAR

Must be the phase angle measured is incorrect. The probes have capacitance that I just tune with (use it to tune) it has an effect
as the total capacitance for the HV tank is only about 1 nF. And the resistor is a wire one.

I think you might have errorred here in your calc of Vars.  It's a vector triangle so: sqrt(618*618 - 451*451) =  423 var.
Your pf of 0.73 is a cos(theta) of almost 45 degrees.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 04, 2014, 11:46:19 AM
There is also the issue of the proper "average" to take from the computed power trace. And it should also be clear that DC offsets are important in where that power trace average winds up. So if there is a DC offset it must be measured by the scope, it can't be filtered out by selecting "AC coupled" on an input. Some scopes also are very sensitive to where the baseline is positioned vertically, oddly enough, so I recommend using the center graticule marker for the baseline for all traces used in scope math power computations.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 04, 2014, 11:47:23 AM
I think you might have errorred here in your calc of Vars.  It's a vector triangle so: sqrt(618*618 - 451*451) =  423 var.
Your pf of 0.73 is a cos(theta) of almost 45 degrees.
Yep. If you go up aways you'll see that the scope is reporting a phase angle of 42 degrees.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 04, 2014, 11:49:58 AM
@Farmland
"And the resistor is a wire one."
Do you mean made of a wound  wire or not?
All CSR must be without inductance!
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 04, 2014, 11:58:41 AM
The ones I'm using are the Ohmite non-inductive Ayrton-Perry wirewound, they are supposed to be less than 1 nH each according to the spec sheet. They were generously donated to the lab for the LMM project. They are about 80 cents US apiece from DigiKey.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 04, 2014, 01:22:07 PM
I think you might have errorred here in your calc of Vars.  It's a vector triangle so: sqrt(618*618 - 451*451) =  423 var.
Your pf of 0.73 is a cos(theta) of almost 45 degrees.

Yes of course you're right, I got confused. And if I use the current value of 0.58 amps from the calculation I get ie. 340 x 0.58 = 197
then 197 x 0.73 = 144, so that is 144 VAR ? Sounds better. pweww.ee with 6.3 Watts input. = 22 to 1.

The resistor is a 5 Watt power resistor 0.1 Ohms.

Tinsel that sounds about right except the frequency might be a tad lower and the capacitance more. I'll need to get more accurate measurements of inductance ect. thanks for the links.

..

P.S. What about the the CSR from a killo watt meter.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 04, 2014, 07:57:59 PM
I found the "second edition" of the Measurement Report from the FTW people.
https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-june-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v2-011.pdf (https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/morocco-qeg-june-2014-test-and-measurement-report-v2-011.pdf)

Below I show the Figure 14 scopeshot. This is an actual output scopeshot, showing the secondary voltage and current while driving a full load of light bulbs. Just above this shot is a photo of their input wattmeter showing 607.4 W input to the motor drive.

Let's analyze this shot and the numbers that appear above it.
First we note, as usual, that the channels are AC-coupled. Fail, but ignore that for the moment. Next we note that the attenuations appear to be set to 1x, not to  match the probes of 1000 x (voltage) and 10x (the current transformer). Another fail but not serious as long as we know the probe factors.

OK, so the screen shows a distorted kind-of-sine wave, and the zero-crossings are coincident, or near enough, so we can say that the phase angle is zero, as expected for the resistive light bulb load. And the frequency checks out as about 145 Hz (not 400!).

Now the numbers: the scope says 1.59 V p-p and 88.8 mV p-p. Applying the probe adjustments and type conversion we then have indicated 1590 V p-p and 0.89 A p-p. Right so far? And in agreement with the text.

What are the rms values associated with those peak-to-peak values, assuming sine waves? 1590 V p-p = 562 V rms. But the text has 405 V rms.  ???
0.89 A p-p = 0.315 A rms. But the text has 0.23 A rms. ??? 
Then they go on to calculate "peak" and "rms" POWER, giving those values as 1415 W p-p and 93 V rms (sic) as these values. WHAAT ??? ???

The AVERAGE POWER of a zero-phase shifted sinusoidal current and voltage measurement is equal to Vrms x I rms. This represents the real power that is dissipated in a resistive load.  In this case, again fudging and using the sine wave calculation on the distorted waveforms, 562 x 0.315 = 177 Watts average power. "RMS Power" is meaningless in this context and shows that whoever wrote the report doesn't really understand what he or she is writing about.

This results in an efficiency of 177/607 = 0.29 or 29 percent.  But unlike in the disconnected, large VARs measurements that come after, they do not go to the step of computing efficiency for this _actual output_ measurement in the report.

Please check my work.  Can anyone explain to me the discrepancies in the calculated numbers?

http://www.referencedesigner.com/rfcal/vrms-to-vpeak-conversion.php (http://www.referencedesigner.com/rfcal/vrms-to-vpeak-conversion.php)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 04, 2014, 10:52:22 PM
Secondary: 1590 Vpp = 562 Vrms.  Report showing 405 Vrms.
Primary: 14kVpp = 4949Vrms, 1.63App = 0.58Arms.  Report showing 4100Vrms X 0.5Arms = 22.8kVARpp / 2050kVARrms

When I read the report back when it was released I realized all the Vrms must have either come from the scope but not the screen shots shown or from an exported file that is later processed on a computer.  I stopped bothering trying to analyze after that.  With top notch Fleece The World open sourcing like this who needs CIA.  Secrecy has been a major factor in this entire boondoggle.  This is not a failure to present the calculations this is the refusal.  Never bothering to explain the math, whether cos of the phase was used, or automation by machine or software.  Even more disturbing was the 0 discussion of this by the be-do forum.  STILL waiting for that elusive fabled UK report of which James was hours away from self-running.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 05, 2014, 02:21:54 AM
They are lost.

As the riders rode on by him he heard one call his name
If you want to save your soul from hell a riding on our range
Then cowboy change your ways today or with us you will ride
Tryin' to catch this devil's herd across these endless skies

aasaaaaaaaayyyyooooooooooo.......
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 05, 2014, 07:14:31 AM
I'm up to my ears in resonance here. I've got the HV tank, the output tank, I guess the primary is kinda resonant.

Now I've taken a TV yolk with about 100 turns on each half (around 3.3 mH each) then on one half I wound a 38 micro Henry primary
8 turns.
Which I am driving with a 10 nF series capacitor from the output tank AC, the secondaries are close enough to resonance as it is.

The Yolk transformer primary current and voltage is in phase and develops a higher voltage across it's primary than the driving voltage it goes up to 30 volts RMS and about 1 amp in that primary and it's in phase apparently. This transformer idling without tuning the HV tank develops over 100 volts p to p, each secondary can produce about 1000 volts p to p.

The secondaries are 0.5 mm wire and have not much DC resistance. I tuned the inductance of the coils by inserting some paper in the gap which reduced the secondary and primary inductance but was too much reduction, I need to make the coils a bit less than resonance frequency so that a load will reduce the inductance and bring the coils closer to resonance parameters.

So I think If I call the primary a series resonance, I have 6 coils in resonance at once.

1) The primary (driver). Series res
2) The HV tank (converts the primary excitation to clean sine waves) Parallel res
3) The output tank (taps the HV tank to output DC and AC LV) Parallel res
4) The ferrite core transformer primary (utilizes the LV AC from the output tank) Series res
5) The two secondary coils on the ferrite transformer. (produce from 100 to 1000 volts each) (self resonance) will
be tuned to loads.

Oh I've also got a small portable air core coil I tuned with a cap and put an LED across it as an indicator light to tell when the
setup is on and oscillating, that resonant as well.  :D

So I can take my pick when it come to which coil to measure.  :)

Next I'll setup an inverter circuit to run from the DC output and produce a 50 or 60 Hz output.

To think they can't take some output and rectify to run the DC motor or then invert it to get 60 Hz for the variac is a joke.

Either everyone that got burned will just shut up and write off the losses or they'll man up and hold hope girl and James to
account somehow.

By the way those QEG wave forms are very distorted sine waves. The RMS calculations for sine wave AC cannot possible apply
to those.

I'll make a drawing of my setup and show the probe points I use now and go from there.

Tinsel the 0.58 you quoted was the resistance in Ohms for the reactance I think.

..

If I get enough resonances all going at once from the one supply all the oscillating power OU will open a portal to the Quantum
and if I anchor myself to the bench when I get sucked through I might be able to drag myself back from the other side and tell
how it looks over there. hahahahaha

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 07:53:25 AM
"Tinsel the 0.58 you quoted was the resistance in Ohms for the reactance I think."

Huh? No, I put the inductance and frequency you gave me, in to the reactance calculator I linked and it gave me the figure of X= 591 ohms or something like that, neglecting DC resistance, then I solved I = V/X using the voltage value you gave, and the answer was 0.58 amps.

Hah.... since you have all that resonance, I suppose I should post this here just for the record. I'm starting to play in earnest with my own "yolks" and the uQEG as driver.   ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OadJX-BVUow
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 05, 2014, 08:28:04 AM
OK Thanks a heap again Tinsel, I just need to work out how to do that trick myself, I must have done something wrong.

Got coffee for video now. Ta for that as well.

Cheers
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 05, 2014, 08:49:15 AM

Hah.... since you have all that resonance, I suppose I should post this here just for the record. I'm starting to play in earnest with my own "yolks" and the uQEG as driver.   ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OadJX-BVUow

Wow cool vid, with flames. I like it !  8) What are your plans as far as tanks and so forth go ?

My setup is restricted input, I can get into the driver circuit about .5 amps at 14 volts without widening the driving pulses or
using a regulator for the pulse generator and utilizing a higher voltage supply.

I want to stick with a rough "analogue" of the QEG setup elements.

1) A driver device (QEG DC motor) my circuit driver board with spiral.
2) A HV tank.
3) A second LV coupled winding. (output coil).
4) A translating device to produce whatever character of power is desired ie, HF AC - LF AC - DC.

And I might also use the output to charge a capacitor and dump it through some stuff. for fun.

..

P.S. Tinsel, I think you just did a rapid "conditioning" of your core. Should be set to go now. watch out for that quantum vortex
funnel though. The TV yolk will tempt it out due to it's shape.  ;) Be careful which way you point that thing or you might get more
cheese than you can deal with.  :D

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 05, 2014, 09:02:53 AM
I notice I can do the same thing with this setup as with others I've had. Depending on how the HV tank is tuned when a load is connected to the output the input either stays the same, or it increases or it can decrease as well, depending on tuning.

I have the end of the tank closest to the Driver spiral grounded, as well as the end of the output closest to the HV tank is
grounded too.

With a motor connected to the DC output the highest speed "tune" a bit different to the highest torque "tune".

This can demonstrate the reduced input under load BS as well as many other fallacies, with the help of you learned guys I might
be able to get some meaningful measurements. So far the only thing I trust is the tank Voltage Measurements and the DC input
power measurements.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 05, 2014, 11:27:23 AM
Got a hit on hopegirl activity.
So we know she is still making post at least to other people's facebook.
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.744719685584790.1073741831.680750941981665&type=1

"Here are some photos from the team’s latest stop in Spain where an agreement was made with a research group to cooperate on a transverter / energy savings / gateway to self-running device."

Good old bait and switch.  The trick this time is to associate the images of prior existing power and motor control systems with that of qeg as if one had anything to do with the other.  Notice hopegirl said 0 about her end of July self-running.  Come to think of it, what is the world with Kevin Blundell from Canada?  He upoaded a video for funding and has been silent for 2 months.  I will wager 1 Torelco core that hopegirl puts this Spain info in her next eventual blog release.  Any takers?

I remember many people in all the forums chanting "wait and see" so I coined the term the "wait see" virus.  Where are all those wait see zombies? 

Something MileHigh would appreciate:
You have waited and you have seen. 
Pockets of your, fleece the world has picked clean.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 05, 2014, 11:55:46 AM
Here's a rough drawing (bottom section of top picture) to show the setup and scope placement points "A", "B", "C", "D" and "G" for
the scope grounds, these are to measure the power in the output tank Point "C" and "D" and the transformer primary Point "A" and
"B". I've just got some 470 uF capacitors there for now just to see the GDT's go...pop.....pop....pop..... :)

Input is restricted to 7 Watts Max for the time being.

Also is a picture of the actual output setup to drive the yolk transformer, when I want to use it i'll solder the primary
to the 0.1 Ohm resistor.

..

P.S. Am I allowed to add up all the VARs from all the tanks ? And the yolk primary power and add that to the power output ? And
add those values to the power developed when the capacitors discharge "added up over time and averaged" ? Then with all that
added together compare that to the 7 Watts input power ? To get an over unity value in VARs and Watts both together from all
the power points I can measure. Anything I missed ?  :P

I would almost bet I can get an oscillating power VAR value close to what Rattatooee gets from his setup and I think I can do it
with less than 20 Watts input. Can I count an antenna output as output ?

Can I use lights and devices rated values as an output value ?

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 05, 2014, 11:58:04 AM
Just after I posted about hopegirl being spotted she puts up a video!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzSlQnpiCAs

I am so anxious on the edge of my seat I cannot even contain myself  ;D

Will return.

Back!  ROTFLMAO and spilling every container of liquid within my arms reach!  I cannot believe my eyes and ears.  I cannot believe some guy on the camera tells us what a transistor is and that they switch on and off.  "If you use the right size resistors you can create an inverter"  Right size resistors?  There are no words there are no words.  Who does he think his intended viewers are, a group of 5th graders?  And thanks to the pointless music overlay I can catch but a few words James says.

I found the angle now.  Its a promotional video linking Torelco and a relatively new website on the qeg front that will be selling qeg parts and kits.  Its all coming clear.  Over priced $129 solid state relay boards galore.
http://teslaenergysolutionsllc.com/

Notice not one peep about the fundraiser, about the self-running demonstration at said fundraiser, and about self-running period.  Nothing.  But had time to mention Noah and the arc.  I told everyone months about her delusions of grandeur.  Now officially confirmed.

In narrative order and now on #6:
1. Output of 240v 42 amps 60hz to be easily connected to your house (from manual 03-25-2014 http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/qeg-user-manual-3-25-14.pdf).
2. Output of 2000v 5 amps 400hz (from Taiwan interviews starting @4:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atLN-mkmqBE notice James said "if")
3. Output of 1400v at lower amps yet 200hz, and may need an aerial? (Morocco May 2014)
4. Output to be supplemented with a Markov coil + transverter to draw power from reactivity of the primary coil (United Kingdom June 2014 http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/05/25/qeg-3rd-phase-development-self-running/).
5. UK No Go.  Return to Pennsylvania prototype.  Now classified as Research and Development.  Self runner to be completed in a month (July 4, 2014 https://twitter.com/hopegirl587/status/485162445795635200)
6. Use of a 34ft antenna to the qeg. (August 5, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzSlQnpiCAs)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 12:21:18 PM
I am laughing so hard I can barely type.

Look at all those cores being fully potted at Torelco! Look at the happy businessman and the happy James Robitaille together! Look at the weeks-old running to resonance video!

Look at the maze of wiring and the big black battery! And clipleads! Yessir.... progress is being made in leaps and bounds! Why... they must be only  minutes away from self running now!

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 12:31:57 PM
Look! The thing can leak so much current into its groundloop that James can light up a light bulb, drawing down the actual output accordingly. But isn't it August 5, and weren't we supposed to see it running itself? Instead... the drive motor seems to be getting bigger.

OOh... the "exciter spark gap" in action!  Every once in a while a tiny leeetle spark jumps across the tiny leetle gap. Awww isn't that just so cute! But what happened to the 1.5 cm "100kV" sparks??? And what about that trimcap? I don't remember seeing that in the Open Source Plans.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 12:48:39 PM
OMG.
At about 8:20...
Quote
Noah got a message from God that you have to build this Ark, and Jamie got a message from God that we have to build this QEG and make it work... and it will save the planet...

And more. It took Noah a hundred years to build that Ark...

They are justified in whatever they do because God told Jamie to build the modern version of Noah's Ark: the QEG.


At least Bill Cosby made it funny. This is beyond sad, now.

(She is yapping, the camera is rolling, and poor Jamie is slowly climbing a very shaky ladder and nobody is steadying it for him....)

All those groups around the world are now going... huh? you need a 34 foot tall longwire antenna and an Earth ground fit for a 2kW ham station? Where is this mentioned in the plans? How could the UK group have been hours away from self running, without an antenna and ground?
At least they finally figured out he could use some help steadying the ladder.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 12:59:32 PM
Not expecting much heat in the tiny leetle exciter spark gap, I suppose. Or is that a borosilicate glass plate instead of acrylic plastic?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 01:04:22 PM
For shame.

"Nothing can stop it now".... followed by this:

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 05, 2014, 01:17:04 PM
I have a funny feeling that God will speak to James and whoever else is around him one more time, but this time it might be by
way of a bright flash and a puff of human smoke due to the lightning strike he is asking for with that antenna  :o.

I can use a small antenna and light things up in the ground line as well but I use a small toroid so it acts as a capacitance, all
kinds of odd and interesting things can be done.

They made an inverter to run from a battery, Wowee what an advancement for humankind.

Luckily for me I had no coffee when I watched that video. I think I might need a shot of 120 proof rum to get over that video.
Truly shocking.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 01:19:31 PM
That's not the only thing that is shocking about this affair.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 05, 2014, 01:20:56 PM
"they must be only  minutes away from self running now!"

Yes because:

"The extra energy needed to condition the core (change its molecular structure) is now applied. The timeframe for this is being determined. We are working with natural laws; the energy is coming in from the atmosphere... and nothing can stop it now!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzSlQnpiCAs   at mn14!
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 01:43:28 PM
But... but... the be-do FAQs state quite plainly:

Quote
All that’s needed is to spin the machine up to resonance. At that point it will run itself. It can be
started using existing electrical power if available, or a crank mechanism, or a battery powered
motor-start system. A battery start system could also keep its own batteries fully charged, by
tapping some power from the generator.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/frequently-asked-questions?faqid=5

I'd pay money to see HopeGirl start up a QEG by turning a crank mechanism.

   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 04:42:58 PM
All right, the gloves are coming off. No more pussyfooting around. I'm ready to get serious now.

I just had a talk with God and He tells me He hasn't talked to Jamie in a long long time. However, it seems that Satan has hacked into God's iPhone and has copied His contact list and phonebook. So it was probably Old Nick that talked to Jamie, just pretending to be YHVH. He does that, the Father of Lies, you know.

At any rate, I figured out how to couple my Yolk into the uQEG for atmospheric energy excitation (I'm picking up good vibrations now....). Since I am operating at around 300 kHz I need either more, or less, antenna length than Jamie does, so I'm compromising: no antenna at all.

Normally I wouldn't post a motionblurred photo but this one has some artistic feel to it, from the strangely organic protuberances and curvatures. Note the HV arc.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 05, 2014, 05:24:09 PM
Tk,

I noticed in one of your videos you are running your "jammer" device that you built for she who wont be named,,, no wonder you are not getting the results that are needed <<<<BEG>>>>

Saaay... you might be onto something there.  But what are you talking about? I am getting exactly the results needed. It's Jamie Ratatoooie who isn't. The happiness you see in that last HopeGirl video is rather strained, don't you think? The only one who seems genuinely happy is that Torelco executive. Letting poor Jamie climb all the way up that shaky ladder without anyone steadying it.... that really got to me. Later on she was shown helping out but I'm sure that was just for the camera. I think that all is not copacetic on the farm in Pennsylvania.

Anyway, I turned it off and got a much clearer picture.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 06, 2014, 03:05:14 AM
ACG:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzSlQnpiCAs

That was a non-update update if I ever saw one!  They just mined through the last few months of video and then threw in the antenna and the ladder.

HopeGirl fail, Jamie fail.  Also, that Tesla-selling guy in Florida, is the same guy that put up those "QEG Orlando" clips where he had no clue what the phase shift was on his scope.  His body language and what he said and did clearly, and I mean really clearly, showed that he barely had a clue.  People asked him for follow-up clips with real power-in and power-out measurements but for two weeks he said nothing.  I lost track of him on YouTube so I don't know if he had anything more to say.

Ghost riders in the sky chasing after QEG's of the imagination.... That they will never catch...   ....aaaaaaaayyyoooooooooo....

As the riders rode on by him he heard one call his name
If you want to save your soul from hell a riding on our range
Then cowboy change your ways today or with us you will ride
Tryin' to catch this devil's herd across these endless skies....

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 06, 2014, 03:20:56 AM
When I use an antenna or a elevated capacitance with a grounded resonator, I get radiative losses and energy lost to the ground
with an antenna or the elevated capacitance in different ratio's, both actions increase the losses and reduce tank power.

Where exactly is he connecting his antenna ? Because grounding one leg of the tank and output coils is a good idea I think, then
you get a neutral and an active. When the antenna is added some of the oscillating circuit capacitance is (the ground and the
antenna). This is a radio transmitter if a radiating antenna is used and a Tesla transmitter if a elevated capacitance is used.
Both setups will cause increased losses.

I find a more stable resonance can be got if the resonating coils are grounded at the bottoms. But a powered antenna will give off energy.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 06, 2014, 03:29:01 AM
Certainly: the better that one couple's one's AC circuit to the far field, the less power one has left to use in the near field.  Still there are those who believe and/or merely claim that if they make an apparatus with just the right characteristics that driving that circuit will cause some unidentified "wheel work of nature" to sympathetically apply energy of its own, seemingly out of nowhere.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 06, 2014, 03:33:35 AM
Saaay... you might be onto something there.  But what are you talking about? I am getting exactly the results needed. It's Jamie Ratatoooie who isn't. The happiness you see in that last HopeGirl video is rather strained, don't you think? The only one who seems genuinely happy is that Torelco executive. Letting poor Jamie climb all the way up that shaky ladder without anyone steadying it.... that really got to me. Later on she was shown helping out but I'm sure that was just for the camera. I think that all is not copacetic on the farm in Pennsylvania.

Anyway, I turned it off and got a much clearer picture.

TK:

I know that I do not even know as much as you have forgotten about electronics...BUT...I clearly see that in your experiments that you are not using enough very long clip leads.  Long clip leads are essential to making free energy as has been proven time and time again in many videos from some famous experimenters.  None of James's device would work without them.  Also, please note that when you start using them, you have to avoid placing them in any organized manner on the bench...they MUST be laid all over the place on top of one another and in a very haphazard way otherwise...no O.U.

I hope that you appreciate my input and will do this right away so you can save the world.  Also, please leave any capacitance that the clip leads might provide out of your calculations, otherwise, your calculations will be far too accurate.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 06, 2014, 04:46:50 AM
Yep. I have long noticed that electrical OU devices almost always involve three common elements: the maze of colored clipleads, the push-in breadboard or other hasty prototype method, and.... one or more batteries, LA or SLA type preferred. The recent QEG video is a case in point, as I have reproduced above with the "inverter" kludge.  "This... is a Transistor." ORLY?  I have voltage regulators and op-amps that come in TO-3 packages, not just transistors. And of course, the transistors they actually use are in TO-247 packages and look completely different.
--Daddy, I'm confused. Why don't they just use TK's or Farmhand's system and go directly from the secondary output to DC? Not a single transistor or power wasting power resistor is needed for that, just some capacitors and a HV diode or four. This is a low loss system and the motors and such are supposed to be DC anyway, aren't they? So they will have to convert their "60 Hz" into DC at some point. Why include an unnecessary lossy stage in between?
--Be quiet son, you bother me.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 06, 2014, 02:23:36 PM
OK I found that I got pretty good efficiency with the yolk transformer when it is directly connected to the HF AC output. If tuned to
a resistive load on the secondary of the yolk for max power then when the load is removed the current reduces a lot.

For these shots the load resistor is on the secondary under the primary (same side of yolk) it measures 266 Ohms. I also reduced
the input voltage and coupling so as to limit the power to minimal, (keep the field smallish) the input was 12.3 volts and 200 mA
max under load, 2.5 to 3 Watts input.

Load resistor had 16volts RMS across it.

TK, Notice in the red circle of the picture there is a Quantum vortex trying to get me,  ;) hilarious.  ;D

The picture shows the output coil and the yolk ect. the scope was connected as per the previous drawing but without the 10 nF
series capacitor, direct connection of yolk primary to output AC. I didn't want to change any setting so the unloaded wave forms
show almost no current and power traces, for effect, mainly to show the power difference between loaded and unloaded.

Yellow is voltage. Blue is voltage drop across a 0.1 Ohm resistor. I forgot about the channel 2 (current sense) invert. It remained
the same for all shots.

The scope shots are labeled and go
1)output coil with no load
2)output coil with load
3)yolk primary with no load
4)yolk primary with load.

..

P.S> going on input to output figures alone I get about 40% efficiency with .96 Watt out and 2.46 Watts in.
So I beat them on that. Na na na naa naa  :P

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 06, 2014, 02:25:39 PM
@Farmhand
About your circuit, I try to simulate it, and I need some more informations. Can-you post a picture of the voltage on the drain
of the switch with and without load?
Thank
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 06, 2014, 03:00:50 PM
Certainly Sir, Here they are. I bumped the circuit connecting the scope and the coupling was altered as well the power supply voltage
was also bumped but I got it close to the same again, I included a trace from the load resistor for good measure. The input was
actually a tad over 200 ma, maybe 220 mA. and the primary spiral has only 10 nF across the switch, at one point I wrote 20 nF on
one drawing it's actually 10 nF. IRF740.

These shots come directly from the scope so a little lower quality. sorry.

P.S. The unloaded average is very close to the input voltage.  8)

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2ND P.S. The driving pulse width is around 1 uS, you can see on the drain wave form where the voltage levels up to 0v for about
1 uS just before the discharge begins.

Any other values you want just ask and I'll try to get them.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 06, 2014, 07:41:56 PM
Somebody said antenna and ground line energy tapping ? James needs a big toroid. I had to use a flat plate to get a big enough
capacitance for a bit of power and my voltage is not so high because of it, it must leak off charge around the edges because it lights
neon's (no contact) at the edges but not away from the edges toward the center.

Anyway I put a tanked coil in series with the ground line and if I tune the coil the HV tank gets tuned as well  ;), it can act as a
filter I think and can control the entire setup just as with the variable capacitor. Tuning tank with output.

Some pictures of the tuning tank/ground line tap, the wave form while lighting the neon's and the elevated plate (antenna).

Took a short video but will take some hour or more.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 06, 2014, 08:15:50 PM
The latest "release" from dolla dolla bill girl.  Behold, she used the latest spain spin off just as I wagered.  You all owe me 1 Torelco core.  FTW has secured another kickback supplier.
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/08/06/opensourced-latest-discoveries-in-qeg-technology/

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"All of this information will be included in the updated manual once we have successfully reached self-running."
Really.  Just like the UK report that still remains at large.

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"When this occurs, we will immediately open source it upon its announcement to ensure that the information is protected from suppression and gets directly to the people."
When?  She said it would occur hours from now a few times already.  Wow, protect the information from suppression by suppressing the information.

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"As always, we encourage others to open source their discoveries as well to help everyone in our common mission to bring free energy to the people of this planet that need it."
Prevent commentary on videos, censor your forum to death, and made 0 effort to collaborate with many local energy enthusiast.  Apparently ENCORAGE has a new meaning these says.

Filled with b.s. and lies. 
I had it. 
Getting off this ride. 
Farewell and enjoy the scammers picking your pocket over and over like a coastal tide.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 06, 2014, 08:30:14 PM
Hot of the press, Jamie explains why they missed the self-looping deadline.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/manuals-documents-and-tutorials/542-qeg-instructions-for-engineers

And this, which has a great diagram of where the excess energy comes from:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/541-august-6-fix-the-world-qeg-update

I'm a bit aghast since they haven't  shown any excess energy, but putting that small trifle aside, ..... great reading, truly inspiring, I just want to give them more money!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 06, 2014, 09:01:46 PM
Well here's a rough setup of an elevated capacitance (antenna) and tapping/tuning from the ground line. The ground goes to my
own stake not the house ground stake. Of course the coil is made from too thin wire and the core heats up a bit too. The antenna
increases the current in the ground line, as Tesla said it would ? Needs testing ?

Ground line tuning energy tapping.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi7EoWseVGQ

.........

P.S. Ha wow, look at the lies they spew ! From the page linked here. Outright lies.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/541-august-6-fix-the-world-qeg-update

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The circuit that is created when the QEG is in resonance, allows us to draw enough energy from the earth to light a light bulb. This is shown in the video.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Yadaraf on August 06, 2014, 09:13:48 PM

Interesting extension, Khwartz.  The QEG team has yet to integrate the purported 20-50 ft WITTS antenna (and ground circuit).  Perhaps when they do, the antenna will help the little girl (QEG) reach the "fruit." 


Cheers,
Yada ...


It appears the little girl on the swing is finally reaching the fruit.  TBC.


Cheers.
Yada :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 06, 2014, 10:24:03 PM
From a skype forum:

Jamie's instructions for QEG engineers:
https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/phase-3-qeg-update_august-james.pdf

And  update 3 hours ago from HopeGirl:
http://www.gofundme.com/hopegirlfixtheworldqeg

@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 06, 2014, 10:45:29 PM
From a skype forum:

Jamie's instructions for QEG engineers:
https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/phase-3-qeg-update_august-james.pdf

And  update 3 hours ago from HopeGirl:
http://www.gofundme.com/hopegirlfixtheworldqeg

@+
Those documents demonstrate just what shameless con artists the Robitailles are.  I love where our very own "engineering artist" states that they think that the machine gathers energy from the environment via the skin effect.  Translation:  The Robitailles get free money from the environment via the skin that donors provide.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 06, 2014, 10:51:07 PM
Those documents demonstrate just what shameless con artists the Robitailles are.  I love where our very own "engineering artist" states that they think that the machine gathers energy from the environment via the skin effect.  Translation:  The Robitailles get free money from the environment via the skin that donors provide.
I agree totally with you, it was just for "informations"...
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 06, 2014, 10:56:33 PM
I'm sitting here with my mouth hanging open. That is amazing. Utterly amazing. There is no mention of the fact that, for nearly a year now, they have been saying they fully understood it, all that is needed is to run up to resonance and it will run itself. It "works" not "it will work at some indeterminate point in the future once we get all the guitar strings resonating together". All that is buried under the BS.

This is going to look really ripe in six more months. I am amazed by the collusion of Torelco in this madness. I almost wish I had bought one, because I know some hungry lawyers.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 06, 2014, 11:00:17 PM
@Farmhand: that is great work you are doing, a shining example of real research with good documentation. Keep it up! I agree with your analyses completely.

Somewhere back in my videos I show lighting a 25 watt incandescent bulb to full brilliance with one wire connected to a SSTC and the other just to an elevated sheet of aluminum foil. After I performed that experiment several times, I noticed that the filament in the bulb was actually open.... it would not light in a proper socket. But still worked fine with the SSTC and the elevated capacity!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 06, 2014, 11:01:40 PM
If I sounded like I was suggesting that you believe or promote them, that was not my intent.  Thanks for the links.  They are hilarious.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 06, 2014, 11:04:37 PM
I'm sitting here with my mouth hanging open. That is amazing. Utterly amazing. There is no mention of the fact that, for nearly a year now, they have been saying they fully understood it, all that is needed is to run up to resonance and it will run itself. It "works" not "it will work at some indeterminate point in the future once we get all the guitar strings resonating together". All that is buried under the BS.

This is going to look really ripe in six more months. I am amazed by the collusion of Torelco in this madness. I almost wish I had bought one, because I know some hungry lawyers.
If some crazy person were to come along and offer a miracle pasta diet, no one could go after the maker of the recommended sauce unless the maker of the sauce joined in the crazy claims.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 07, 2014, 12:47:00 AM
If some crazy person were to come along and offer a miracle pasta diet, no one could go after the maker of the recommended sauce unless the maker of the sauce joined in the crazy claims.
Did you not watch the video and notice the photograph of James Robitaille and the Torelco principal in the latter's office, arms around each other, smiling like a couple of Amway reps after a big party? Appearing in the long video advertisement touting the Free Energy Overunity Cores that Torelco is churning out by the dozens? No disclaimer anywhere from Torelco, unlike the hypocritical disclaimer on the clearly more legal-savvy and cynical website from Florida.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 07, 2014, 01:04:01 AM
Did you not watch the video and notice the photograph of James Robitaille and the Torelco principal in the latter's office, arms around each other, smiling like a couple of Amway reps after a big party? Appearing in the long video advertisement touting the Free Energy Overunity Cores that Torelco is churning out by the dozens? No disclaimer anywhere from Torelco, unlike the hypocritical disclaimer on the clearly more legal-savvy and cynical website from Florida.
I didn't, but I also don't see how that could matter.  In order to be liable for something: Torelco has to promote lies that it knows or should know are lies. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 07, 2014, 01:37:04 AM
I just opened a bunch of tabs which I will read or skim through.  As far as I am concerned this has descended into the classic form of free energy fiasco, where the proponents start clutching at straws in willy-nilly fashion and moving the goal posts haphazardly.

Jamie tried to get it working and failed, so they are going the farcical antenna route.  - OR - Jamie has been sitting on his ass watching the PayPal and crowd funding revenue stream in, and now it's time for another 'event' to move the goal posts and stoke the free money fires, hence the Black Comedy of going through the motions of putting up an antenna.

I am willing to bet we are being lurked on heavily in this thread by anyone interested in the QEG because of the news.  I am willing to bet that there are people that have donated a lot and are realizing that they have been had.

My advice:  Call the police, or call the local media in Pennsylvania and get a reporter to write them up and expose them.  If you are lucky the story will be picked up by the big media outlets and poor hopeless biatch and the the mashed potato artist (Devil's Tower?) formerly known as Jamie will have satellite media trucks parked just off their property with hungry reporters sticking microphones in their faces.  Now that would be sweet.

Bust them.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 07, 2014, 01:43:24 AM
Money literally poured down the drain.

Johnny will get no new shoes for school this September and Annie will not get to take ballerina classes because mommy foolishly spent the money for her kids on "Fixing the World" not realizing that all that she was doing was pouring her hard-earned money down the drain.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 07, 2014, 01:59:16 AM
This was posted TODAY (August 6th, 2014) by Naima Feagin:

<<<
WE HAVE AN URGENT NEED FOR YOUR HELP AT THIS TIME TO COMPLETE THE NEXT STAGE OF THIS PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO TAKE PRE-ORDERS.

At this stage we are trying to raise $20,000 to finish this monumental project and bridge the GAP to its grassroots cottage industry distribution. To do this we want to build 2 more QEG's to present to some of the poorest communities who can receive the highest benefits a device like this can offer. Below is a breakdown of our needs:

$14,000 = all inclusive cost of building 2 QEG's at $7,000 each.
$6,000 = for additional equipment needed: oscilloscope, drill press, arbor press, current clamp.
(the inventor used to work in a fully equipped lab for 26 years and has since left the lab to work on the QEG. This equipment is needed to replace what he no longer has access to)
>>>

It's sickening.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 07, 2014, 02:02:12 AM
This was posted TODAY (August 6th, 2014) by Naima Feagin:

<<<
WE HAVE AN URGENT NEED FOR YOUR HELP AT THIS TIME TO COMPLETE THE NEXT STAGE OF THIS PROCESS SO THAT WE CAN BEGIN TO TAKE PRE-ORDERS.

At this stage we are trying to raise $20,000 to finish this monumental project and bridge the GAP to its grassroots cottage industry distribution. To do this we want to build 2 more QEG's to present to some of the poorest communities who can receive the highest benefits a device like this can offer. Below is a breakdown of our needs:

$14,000 = all inclusive cost of building 2 QEG's at $7,000 each.
$6,000 = for additional equipment needed: oscilloscope, drill press, arbor press, current clamp.
(the inventor used to work in a fully equipped lab for 26 years and has since left the lab to work on the QEG. This equipment is needed to replace what he no longer has access to)
>>>

It's sickening.
So, they got $17K more than they said they needed the last time through, but need another $20K on top of that.  Sure, and in another couple of months they will need another $50k.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 07, 2014, 02:19:31 AM
Man, they are sucking up the bucks like a Shop-Vac....hey, wait a minute...


Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 07, 2014, 02:40:55 AM
Oh, man that is disgusting indeed. Another one, that I didn't know about. I am now estimating that these people have sucked up around half a million dollars US in the past year, taking into account the groups that have bought cores and other supplies. The irony is that the QEG itself has no other use! And once you get it to resonate, that is it! There is no more "magic" in it. It is now a big lump of stuff, taking up a full car garage space all its own, and there is _nothing_ you can do with it except light up a few bulbs or a heater with extreme noisiness not only acoustically but now also right smack dab in the middle (practically) of the AM Standard Broadcast band !!
You can't even re-use the wire because of the potting. It is literally useless. Too heavy to be easily moved by one person, it doesn't even make a good doorstop or boat anchor.

Hey, I've got a great idea. If nobody will pay me for the work I do, maybe FTW will pay me to _stop_ working. How about that, QEEGers? Pay me one-third of what you want to charge for Jamie's advice and I'll stop working and posting on your subject and you can be free to conduct your fleecing without having to worry about this old tired Koala.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 07, 2014, 02:49:17 AM
I wanted to have a little discussion about this subtopic, but I can't post it in the "death thread" because I want it taken seriously. Examine the image below carefully. It shows 4 NE-2 neons connected in strict series. The leftmost electrode is connected to the  negative pole of an electrolytic capacitor and the anodes of a FWB. The rightmost electrode is connected to the positive cap terminal and the cathodes of the bridge. The neons themselves are connected in strict series, and there is nothing else connected to the neons, the bridge output or the capacitors. It is just a stack of 4 series NE-2s.

The negative electrode of any neon is the only one that glows. AC powered neons flicker back and forth at the AC frequency but only the  negative side is actually glowing at any time.

So the glowing electrode in one neon is directly connected to the non-glowing electrode in the next neon by an inch of wire. These two electrodes are therefore at the same potential. They carry the same charge. Right?

Yet one glows and the other does not.

This indicates that voltage and in fact even _polarity_ is relative. The exact same charge can be either Negative, or Positive, depending on the _reference level_ of charge.

Discuss.....
 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 07, 2014, 02:53:18 AM
How about starting a QEG recycling business?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 07, 2014, 02:58:35 AM
Well, there are easier things to do than chopping up a bunch of transformer-grade steel laminations, but I suppose an industrial chipper could probably do it. Personally I think the cores should be killed with fire: the cores melted down, cast into mixed iron-copper ingots and then made into finger rings (or nose rings as appropriate) and distributed to all the believers, like Canadian engineer's rings, to remind them always of their folly.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 07, 2014, 03:01:59 AM
Yes indeed, the QEG follies.

Something like THIS:
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 07, 2014, 03:06:01 AM
TK:

Yes indeed about voltage being relative.  That's why the daredevils that fix live high-voltage transmission lines "bounce" along with the line.

It's either that or burnt toast.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 07, 2014, 03:41:11 AM
Just a few comments about Jame's (Mr. 17 Year Cicada) posting:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/manuals-documents-and-tutorials/542-qeg-instructions-for-engineers

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We saw that most of the engineers (including myself) were expecting to make some tweaks, do some rewiring, try things like: resonate both windings, add capacitance in the secondary, move the load around, series or parallel?, add this transverter, or that inverter, shunt, transformer, rheostat, isolate the load so resonance is not disturbed, etc.

That sounds like Electronics Romper Room to me.  I don't think any real engineers would be doing that.  Nor do I believe that Jamie is an engineer.  I believe that he is a bench technician.

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With the generator built to the original configuration, there is up to 30 kVAR (peak-to-peak) reactive power available in the primary windings that could be converted to possibly 20 kilowatts (RMS) and used to power normal loads.

The "VARS to real power" nonsense again.  And the "RMS" gaffe again!!!!  Dyslexic bench technicians of the world desolder!

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But using the secondary (in the original configuration) to provide enough power to self-loop has been a bit of a mystery, since we need 700 to 900 Watts (RMS) to run the motor, and to get that much output from the machine, we would be drawing 900 to 1100 Watts from the wall outlet. That leaves us about 200 watts shy for COP of 1. This has been about the same with all the machines we built including Pennsylvania.

We have been telling you this since the beginning you fool!  But truly Jamie you have known this since the beginning also.  Perhaps one day that will come out in court.

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This endeavor has been a technical puzzle for us. Any information we received from websites, technical documents, individuals etc., had to be tested and verified, reduced, converted or extracted to see if it would be applicable to the QEG prototype. We got a lot of useless information, some information missing important details, and even some deliberate misdirection as noted in the previous section. We also gathered quite a bit of good information and history, and made many wonderful personal connections. One of those connections was with Tesla Energy Solutions LLC, who brought us the most useful information so far, and much needed support.

It's been a puzzle?  What the hell do you mean it has been a puzzle?  We will remind you for the 500th time that you and hope-i-don't-go-to-jail girl clearly stated that IT WORKS, ALL THAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS DOWNLOAD THE PLANS AND BUILD IT.

You Be-Do forum scared and demoralized zombies:  Start speaking your true feelings.  We don't live in a society where thoughtcrime is a crime.  Your forum is creepy and horrible and it's time you did something about it.

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Our path, from the beginning, has been focused on duplicating the self-looping machine we’ve all seen in the “WITTS 40kW fuelless generator” video.

For anyone that still has any doubt, the WITTS video is a FAKE.

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That is because after the core is conditioned

Don't make me laugh with that nonsensical idiocy talk about "conditioning the core."  You are talking crap to play to your audience, the ones with money to burn.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 07, 2014, 03:59:12 AM
OK I showed in my shots that I can use an output coil to power a resistive load with 1 watt while the primary shows 6 Watts of
"in Phase" power and the HV tank shows hundreds of VAR, while the input is only about 2.5 to 3 Watts.

The only thing that matters is the 1 Watt out and the 3 Watts in.

Forget about quoting VAR values and just show the output power and input power.

..

And the "antenna", if I disconnect my antenna I cannot get enough ground line current to light up the neons. A clear case of
the antenna capacitance displacement currents causes ground line currents. The effect is marked. Clear as can be.

..

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 07, 2014, 04:00:55 AM
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The point is, we believe the secondary is intended to provide the output.

So people are giving money to a Joe Blow so he can "investigate" a useless hunk of metal and wire to see if his beliefs are true?  More self-incriminating talk Jamie - see you in jail!

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What is the significance of specifying 400Hz / 200Hz generator frequency? WITTS says that M21 type steel should be used because its self-resonant frequency is right around 400Hz.

I am not aware of the concept of "the self-resonance of a certain type of steel."  I don't think he is talking about the mechanical resonance of a bar of steel of certain dimensions, mass, and stiffness.  As far as I am concerned that is just junk pseudoscience nonsensical talk.  It's outrageous to think a group of a dozen or so grown men can be in a room and talk like that.

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is the same as the steel’s self-resonant frequency, we will have additional piezoelectric effect, creating additional voltage in the primary.

The piezoelectric effect is as dead as a doornail when it comes to producing energy from nowhere.  More nonsense.

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If any QEG builder out there has access to a steel testing facility, perhaps they would consider having their core tested to determine what the actual self-resonant frequency is.

Even though it's all nonsense, if Jamie, the artist formerly known as a bench technician, had any brains, he would put a very tiny microphone on his core and whack it with a ball peen hammer.

I can't be bothered and I am too tired to go any further.  Perhaps another day.

For anyone sitting on the fence:  Do not spend a single cent.

For the Be-Doers:  "10 Posts that Shook the World."

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 07, 2014, 04:16:59 AM
Take a solid chunk of metal, suspend it with a rope and strike it with a hammer. Hear that nice pure ringing, high pitch, goes on for a while? Now take a bunch of laminations, bundle them together and secure with through-bolts. Repeat steps 1 and 2 above. What do you hear?

Clunk. Or maybe, Thud. Or, in the best case... Thwack, perhaps.  You for sure won't hear a "core resonance" because the laminations make very effective acoustic-- read "mechanical resonance" -- dampers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 07, 2014, 04:21:52 AM
The be-do FAQs:
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq)

Image below taken just now.


I'll donate a hundred dollars but only after I see HopeGirl start up a QEG with a crank mechanism.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 07, 2014, 04:27:59 AM
On the issue of Torelco's involvement: What if it were discovered that part of the sales price of a QEG core from Torelco, went into the pockets of FTW/Robitaille family? That is, what if there really was some kind of formal business arrangement between Torelco and FTW? How would that affect Torelco's liability situation with respect to the false claims made by FTW and the Robitailles?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 07, 2014, 04:30:55 AM
TK:

Yes indeed about voltage being relative.  That's why the daredevils that fix live high-voltage transmission lines "bounce" along with the line.

It's either that or burnt toast.
Voltage, and polarity too. I wonder how this demonstration is affecting you-know-who, since it refutes him, yet again, about five ways from Sunday.

I know, I know, it's rude to make fun of the mentally ill.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 07, 2014, 04:33:35 AM
On the issue of Torelco's involvement: What if it were discovered that part of the sales price of a QEG core from Torelco, went into the pockets of FTW/Robitaille family? That is, what if there really was some kind of formal business arrangement between Torelco and FTW? How would that affect Torelco's liability situation with respect to the false claims made by FTW and the Robitailles?
I don't think that it would matter much.  What would matter is if Torelco made specific claims for the product they sell that the product does not satisfy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 07, 2014, 05:13:34 AM
I don't think that it would matter much.  What would matter is if Torelco made specific claims for the product they sell that the product does not satisfy.

In a just world, probably.  But, in today's legal atmosphere anything is indeed possible.  Lawyers around here have prevailed in somewhat similar cases proclaiming that knowledge of what was going on indeed meant an endorsement.  The fact that a representative of Torelco is seen with James in photos, and James sends folks to that company to get the required "overunity core" could easily be read by a jury as some sort of partnership.  Especially if any moneys have changed hands, ie commission, for cores sold which is also probably going on as well.

We have disagreed on these points before and that is fine.  Only time will tell.  Just remember, who would have ever thought that a guy breaking into your house and stealing your stuff could sue, and win, because he tripped on your stairs?  Or, sticking a cup of hot coffee between your legs and getting burned...etc, etc.  Also, do not forget "Bystander trauma".   If you have been in an accident, or even seen an accident, you may suffer from bystander trauma and are entitled to a decent settlement.  (Troy McClure, The Simpsons)  We have accident/injury attorneys in this town that must have seen that episode.

Bill   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 07, 2014, 05:26:07 AM
I don't think that it would matter much.  What would matter is if Torelco made specific claims for the product they sell that the product does not satisfy.
Its unlikely they will cross that line. They see themselves as simply providing a transformer winding service, a transformer specified by Jamie.
Bill: You make so good points and I would have to agree there could be legal jeopardy here.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 07, 2014, 05:41:26 AM
Here's a shot of the tank voltage and the current in the ground line (voltage across a 0.8 Ohm resistor in ground line) the
elevated plate is about 1500 mm x 300 mm x 4 mm thick. I think it has some tens of pF capacitance, maybe 100 pF just going by the extra capacitance I need without the antenna connected. Maybe I should put a 100 pF capacitor in series with the antenna.

Not sure how to measure the voltage current and phase in the antenna wire itself.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 07, 2014, 06:28:24 AM
In a just world, probably.  But, in today's legal atmosphere anything is indeed possible.  Lawyers around here have prevailed in somewhat similar cases proclaiming that knowledge of what was going on indeed meant an endorsement.  The fact that a representative of Torelco is seen with James in photos, and James sends folks to that company to get the required "overunity core" could easily be read by a jury as some sort of partnership.  Especially if any moneys have changed hands, ie commission, for cores sold which is also probably going on as well.

We have disagreed on these points before and that is fine.  Only time will tell.  Just remember, who would have ever thought that a guy breaking into your house and stealing your stuff could sue, and win, because he tripped on your stairs?  Or, sticking a cup of hot coffee between your legs and getting burned...etc, etc.  Also, do not forget "Bystander trauma".   If you have been in an accident, or even seen an accident, you may suffer from bystander trauma and are entitled to a decent settlement.  (Troy McClure, The Simpsons)  We have accident/injury attorneys in this town that must have seen that episode.

Bill

The video starts with a nice visit to Torelco and a tour of the factory and various shots of the core assemblies being built, wound, potted. Several shots at stages of construction. At 1:32 we are presented with the image below. The video goes on to explain what the QEG is and how it will be made to self-run and produce overunity and power itself. A light bulb is shown illuminated and some bogus explanation is given. The video continues on, until finally we see the text slides that say  in rapid sequence: the energy is coming in from outside to condition the core, nothing can stop it now, the website of teslaenergysolutionsllc... and then a big slide with Torelco's contact info saying "QEG Fully Processed Cores and Exciter Coils". And fade to black.
The whole video is actually a commercial advertisement for Torelco !!If there was no voiceover you would not be blamed for thinking the video was _produced_ by Torelco.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 07, 2014, 07:49:51 AM
So now FTW has qeg shirts.  That is putting the carriage in front of the horse.  I once said early in this fiasco, this will linger for years just as Ke$he.  The scammers seem to have won for the now.  So many suckers its a damn shame.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 07, 2014, 08:20:16 AM
Looking at the photo above, it is hard to avoid thinking the phrase "Joined at the hip".  And if they aren't also joined at the wallet, I badly miss my guess.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 07, 2014, 02:13:21 PM
The instructions for engineers document is a real hoot! It is "cargo cult pseudoscience". I half expect coconuts and bamboo construction, after reading that. Some weird math involving, apparently, simply pulling a number out of a hat (3250) and multiplying 400 Hz by it, and you get 1.3 MHz. And this is the frequency your Exciter Coil is supposed to use, to Collect Energy from the air and charge up (somehow) the core so it will be ready to create superenergy in the secondary. It has to be exactly tuned, too. And the spectrum analyzer display certainly showed a signal peak at 1300 kHz, didn't it.

1.3 MHz. Hmmm.


List of AM radio stations in Pennsylvania between 1270 and 1330 khz:

WFBG, 1290, Altoona, 5 kW
WBFD, 1310, Bedford, 2.5 kW
WWCH, 1300, Clarion, 0.85 kW
WFNN, 1330, Erie, 5 kW
WGET, 1320, Gettysburg, 1 kW
WHVR, 1280, Hanover, 5 kW
WLBR, 1270, Lebanon, 5 kW
WJST, 1280, Newcastle, 4.9 kW
WJAS, 1320, Pittsburgh, 7.0 kW
WTZN, 1310, Troy, 1 kW
WNAE, 1310, Warren, 5 kW

Does anyone know the approximate location of the Robitaille homestead? What's the nearest town? Wouldn't it be a hoot if they were just outside of Clarion? Or Bedford?

The exact geographic location of the transmitter antennae for those stations can be looked up easily.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 07, 2014, 09:14:31 PM
Umm here's a phase shift back to almost 90 degrees under load with an increasing input power when the DC motor shaft stopped
by force. This is with the setup tuned to give maximum motor torque under shaft load.

It costs someone to make reactive power if we look back far enough.

Phase shift to reactive power in output tank under load.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1_llp5QUSM

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 08, 2014, 02:36:00 PM
Umm here's a phase shift back to almost 90 degrees ...
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May I know which motor you use (magnet? serial?), is resistor and how are connected the blue LEDs (in serial with the motor?) and their power?
Is the adjustment of the 2-18uH inductance critics? or it is very loose?
Thanks
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 08, 2014, 02:55:59 PM
Oh the motor is just a DC "can" PM motor, it's powered through a FWBR and a 6.8 uF cap so I guess the load there is capacitive.

Those LED's are just connected in parallel across a separate detector coil which is about 35 uH with 10 nF tuning cap.

The tuning inductance is not that critical in the low voltage output circuit, I actually changed to 22 nF tuning capacitance across
the output coil and spread the tuning coil out to reduce it's inductance, so it's not really needed.

I've temporarily changed out the 18 uH primary spiral to a 10 uH spaced solenoid with 8 Turns and I'm using 20 nF across the
switch now. I'll try 22 nF there too later.

Power is a lot more now but the voltage in the HV tank is still about 1000 volts max, I think my adjustable air cap might be
leaking at 1000 volts or something. Input can go to 0.72 Amp at 12.6 volts 9 Watts. Could go more and max out the power
supply.

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Do you mean the LED's in the video that come on when the motor is stalled by force ?

Oh and it's a low speed high torque motor so it won't ever spin very fast. I can measure the motor power no problem, but the
LED power might be difficult.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 08, 2014, 04:59:00 PM
I'd be interested in the opinion of people here as to where it might be possible to build a miniQEG  (reluctance gen.) using a Laskco fan ($16 at Walmart) motor. I took one apart yesterday to repair and it seems to have the right attributes. All the windings are easily accessible so they could rearranged to create a primary and secondary set perhaps. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 08, 2014, 05:10:55 PM
I'd be interested in the opinion of people here as to where it might be possible to build a miniQEG  (reluctance gen.) using a Laskco fan ($16 at Walmart) motor. I took one apart yesterday to repair and it seems to have the right attributes. All the windings are easily accessible so they could rearranged to create a primary and secondary set perhaps.

I thought of this back when this whole thing started, and even made a few posts showing that the shaded-pole motor is practically a QEG already. I did some experimentation and sure, when you spin the thing with an external motor, it generates some AC voltage, very little though since there aren't any magnets in the rotor, just those optimally angled flux shunts that pull the rotor around.  I concluded that there just wasn't enough inductance nor enough parametric pumping (range of variation of inductance) for it to work at reasonable RPMs. You might be able to get one to resonate if you could spin it 100,000 RPM or something, but at "normal" speeds there just isn't enough variation in inductance. Maybe with a redesigned rotor with only the single flux shunt it might be a little better. But Solid State is definitely the way to go, no wasteful motor to drive, just pure clean OU in VARs wherever you need it, and silently too.
 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 08, 2014, 05:55:47 PM
http://www.gofundme.com/hopegirlfixtheworldqeg

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$6,000 = for additional equipment needed: oscilloscope, drill press, arbor press, current clamp.
(the inventor used to work in a fully equipped lab for 26 years and has since left the lab to work on the QEG. This equipment is needed to replace what he no longer has access to)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whcVExTxBCs
Just once would like to see dolla dolla bill hopegirl not mention 26 years.  It actually weakens her case.
- Oscilloscope:  What is that seen at time 2:40?
- Drill press:  What is that seen at time 1:50?
- Current clamp:  Could not clearly see one in the video but why not use the one that was used from the get-go.  Or one that surely would have been bought sometime in 26 years of engineering.

Given they have none of the above which is a pointless assumption since proven false, still, these tools requested can be had for 2 grand tops including shipping.

But be sure you donate so that:
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To do this we want to build 2 more QEG's to present to some of the poorest communities who can receive the highest benefits a device like this can offer.
Poor communities again?  The same suckers are going to fall for that line again!  A suggestion, how about.......maybe actually have a working self-running device first?  Oh and how much do you need for two 34ft long antennae?  Lets not forget to add those in the cost.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 08, 2014, 06:28:52 PM
OK now I'm getting some good voltages with the yolk transformer. And with a 270 Ohm resistor on the secondary of the yolk
transformer I get about 7 degrees off phase. And the resistor gets real hot but it only has about 25 volts across it. With no load
it still goes to about 30 degrees off phase, even with the transformer connected. The yolk transformer idle power seems small.

That's 1600 volts with the two secondaries in series.

And the output coil tank while one yolk transformer secondary is loaded with the 270 Ohm resistor. (measures 266 Ohms).

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 08, 2014, 07:47:50 PM
Neat! I love high voltages.
Can your scope do x-y mode? It's neat to see the Lissajous figure change as you vary inductance or capacitance to make phase shifts.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 08, 2014, 09:41:11 PM
Yes the scope can do the Lissajous figure, the manual explains how to do that. I'll give it a go. I've been meaning to try it.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 09, 2014, 02:49:53 AM
I was wondering if someone might help me with determining roughly the capacitance and inductance of James' antenna ? If we
calculate roughly the antenna capacitance and inductance and know the frequency then we can estimate the ground line
currents, antenna voltage distribution ect.

I can say one thing and that is that without the elevated capacitance (antenna) connected to my HV side of the HV resonant tank
or the HV side of the grounded yolk transformer secondary there are practically no currents in the ground line. If I disconnect the
antenna but leave the grounded side of the HV coil grounded then re-tune the coil to max voltage then the voltage is more
because the elevated capacitance is not there to distribute charge, and the ground line currents disappear because there is no
antenna to charge and discharge, which is what causes the ground line currents.

ie. I've estimated my antenna to be about 80 to 120 pF based on the extra capacitance I need without it to get the HV tank
into "tune". So if the antenna is 100 pF and is charged to say 1000 volts then it has about 0.00005 Joules of energy stored
on it, 50 micro Joules. So then we multiply that by the frequency of 295000 Hz to get 14.75 Joules per second of energy is
moved through the antenna wire and a similar amount of energy is moved in the ground line. About 15 Watts of power.

About 15 mA at 1000 volts is 15 Watts. This is estimations for my setup only, and using arbitrary figures, I don't claim those
figures though I think they are close to what I can do, and I can change the voltage to vary the antenna power.

The power in the antenna and the ground line currents are both a result of our input to the circuit, and when tuned right
I can draw power from my antenna with either, 1) a resulting increase in input power (circuit trying to maintain antenna voltage),
2) input power remaining the same (finely tuned) or 3) input power reducing as I draw power (tuned to max no load voltage),
It all depends on tuning of the circuit and the effect of that antenna capacitance and inductance on the circuit.

All in all James' antenna is a BS (watch this hand) type deal. Unless he has intention for causing the ground currents there is no
use for them and unless he wants to cause the ground line currents there is no use for them specifically. 

Basically this antenna BS from James is like another big spit in the face of Nikola Tesla's Legacy. Shame on him.

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Just for fun I used the yolk transformer to charge a 6.8 uF - 250 volt audio capacitor and dumped it through a single loop using a
Gas discharge tube 180 volt, I kept the dump rate slow and put my small detector coil with the LED's in the loop and promptly
blew an LED. Then for some reason the audio capacitor blew up like a balloon and failed as well, making a crackling noise.
hilarious the flash of the LED was very bright, they are placed oppositely oriented so they Use AC. The dump blew only one
and left it shorted.  :)

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 09, 2014, 07:02:09 AM
I'm confused  ;D When driving a transformer for OU which coil do we want the 90 degrees shift on
and which coil do we want the 0 degrees shift on ? The supply coil 90 and the driven coil 1 degree ok ?

At 90 degree shift on the supply coil the 270 Ohm resistor on one secondary had 7.5 volts RMS across it if I remember correctly or
was it 15 volts, not sure now did a lot of messing about, I'll need to do the entire experiment again. Not that important. I burned
the paint off of one resistor earlier I should check the resistances again as well, use new resistors, I think they are 1 Watt parts.

No antenna was used.  :D

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 09, 2014, 07:24:59 AM
90 degree phase shift between voltage and current means zero average transferred power.  You want that for the input.  On the output you definitely want something other than 90 degrees, such that you actually deliver net power to the load.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 09, 2014, 11:27:39 AM
Ok Mark I did kind of gather that, so at any point between the supply and the load if there is a phase difference between voltage
and current of 90 degrees then average power transferred is zero so theoretically the load consumes no power from the supply.

If you look at my 90 degree scope shot there is more area under the zero line than there is above it, but I cannot recall if I had the
current phase inverted or not, I think I should have. Anyway it must represent some power transferred to the load from the supply
so the phase is off.

Which brings me back to a question I asked before. If 1/3 of the resonant tanks capacitance is "distributed capacitance" then
does that not mean that 1/3 of the tank energy is stored in that distributed capacitance ?
 
And therefore 1/3 less current involved in the oscillations will be seen on the current trace to the external capacitor ?

And also that this 1/3 of the LC capacitance that is "distributed" kind of "locks up" some energy in the coil itself ?

Would that 1/3 less current to the external capacitor not affect the phase difference ?

And finally could that 1/3 of the LC capacitance being "distributed" be what is causing my main HV tank phase to be remaining at
about 30 degrees ? Or whatever the actual value is. The main HV tank coil is a serial connected bifilar wound coil and I measured
about 300 or 400 pF between the windings, the external capacitance required for resonance is what I need to measure
accurately. 

Anyway at max activity and voltage on the HV tank the phase always says about 30 degrees.
Shouldn't it be closer to 90 degrees at "parallel resonance ?
Isn't "distributed capacitance considered series capacitance ?

I could not think of three more questions to make ten questions so 7 will do.  :-[ Sorry.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 09, 2014, 03:55:25 PM
Well I can get 60% efficiency into a real load of a 3 Watt rated filament globe. I can get 12.2 volts across across the globe with
0.515 A of current at a phase angle of 56 degrees, which funnily enough works out to a power factor of almost 0.56 so that works
out to about 3.5 Watts consumed by the globe. The input was 12.7 volts at 0.45 A DC = 5.7 Watts input. 3.5 / 5.7 = 0.61 or 61 % efficiency.
Light was bright.

The globe was powered directly from the LV Output tank AC. And the phase was measured on that output coil only.
I'll try to get a good quality shot to try to see the phase better than just reading the number on the scope.
The solenoid primary (same diameter as the other coils) is much better than the wrong sized spiral for a primary.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 09, 2014, 06:28:49 PM
There. You see? It is just as I predicted. You have attained double the end-to-end efficiency of any FTW QEG build that has reported credible measurements. Their best is, as I recall, around 30 percent or even less.
Not having to turn a motor, push air around, overcome bearing friction, make a lot of noise and vibration, and all of that allows more of the input power to make it through the system to drive the real load. Using efficient solid-state resonant oscillators to produce the high "OU in VARs" is much better than using the mechanically driven parametric oscillator in terms of generating and maintaining the high circulating power in the tank circuit, and our small demonstration devices can be simply and easily scaled up to equivalent power levels to what the FTW people are actually showing, for a lot less expense and hassle.
Why anyone would want to do that is a different story.
There is a lot that the FTW QEG people could learn from Farmhand's work on this topic, and maybe even from mine as well.

So, at this point I think we have demonstrated that there really isn't any exploitable magic in ordinary resonant tank circuits with massive "OU in VARs" happening in them. So for someone to believe in the OU power of the FTW QEG but not in the same OU power of Farmhand's or my systems, they have to find another place for it to come in, something our systems don't have. Conditioning the core with AM radio station power? Only possibly having any OU effect at very low frequencies like 400Hz? I'm serious. What have they got, that we need?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 09, 2014, 08:33:58 PM
I agree Tinsel, if I may say so. You inspired me, I seen your massive OU in VARs and had to get me some of that. Well actually it was
a good opportunity to practice some AC measurements and realize what some of the pitfalls are, (which are many), these things are
very methodical, great patience is needed to get truly accurate measurements, mine are not accurate and I can list a couple of
reasons why not. 1) is that with the HV and HF and my scope where it is the probe leads have to go around the DUT. and that
might be affecting the current determinations, the voltage is fairly close I think, it's just at the very low vertical division values.

Definitely HF air core transformers have losses there are more efficient ways, but for "tank" activity no metal core is a real bonus.

Anyway I did manage to get a Lissajous pattern which turns out to be fairly easy, and I fixed my scope to computer connection
issues with a new usb cable.
What does it mean ? Looks to me like the ellipse shows an angle of just under or over 45 degree's maybe 40 - 50 degrees.
I'll need to read up on that. This shot is just from the virtual panel, better resolution can be got by saving wfm. files ect.
I need to read up on that as well.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 10, 2014, 08:41:21 AM
Nice!

I don't know what the "Pha_B = 0" means though, the figure shows a definite phase shift. 0 degrees will give you a straight line like this  /  and 90 degrees gives a perfect circle and 180 degrees a straight line like \  .   See below for some examples.

Here's how to get to the precise phase angle from the Lissajous figure:

ETA: Here's some more material:
http://www.physics.brocku.ca/courses/3P92/lab-manual/392/node11.html
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 10, 2014, 09:00:13 AM
Thanks Tinsel, I should have removed the "Phase B=" measurement from the screen, it was alternating between 220 and 0,
so it wasn't doing anything meaningful I don't think.
Definitely there was an indicated 30 something degrees shift before I went to X - Y mode. maybe it was 37 degrees or so, I didn't
take much notice as I was just trying to get the pattern.

Ta..

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 10, 2014, 09:18:33 AM
Thanks Tinsel, I should have removed the "Phase B=" measurement from the screen, it was alternating between 220 and 0,
so it wasn't doing anything meaningful I don't think.
Definitely there was an indicated 30 something degrees shift before I went to X - Y mode. maybe it was 37 degrees or so, I didn't
take much notice as I was just trying to get the pattern.

Ta..

Just roughly looking at your figure, I count Yo=10.5 and Ym=22.5, so Yo/Ym= 0.466something and arcsin of that is about 27.8 degrees. This will be somewhat sensitive to centering and your vertical amp settings but should be pretty close. It would be interesting to compare the same input in the time domain by carefully measuring the zerocrossings with the scope's cursors.

ETA: The figure sure looks fat enough to be near 45 degrees, so that's why I'd like a second measurement if it's not too inconvenient.


 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 10, 2014, 09:29:06 AM
I see now, click, light on. OK so I will try to get that done. I just realized that I should be able to show the 1:2 frequency pattern
as well because if I reduce the HV tank capacitance enough it resonates at double the frequency of the primary.  :) Of course, as
it must.
When I do that I think the LV tank filters out most of the power and it's output becomes almost nothing. But if I made the output
tank so it could be tuned to double the Res frequency then I might get an output at 590 kHz with a 295 kHz input frequency.
Not that I can see any use for that at this point in time. Unless I can claim double the "OU in VARs" for it. hahahaha

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P.S. Yes I might have fiddled with the vertical divisions on one channel after going to X - Y mode, I did get both signals the same
before I went to X - Y mode though, I'll repeat with more documentation and the comparison. Important not to change vertical
divisions after going to X - Y mode it seems.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 10, 2014, 11:33:49 AM
I need to optimize my documentation of this so I can get onto other experiments and try some other things, so I'll get the 3 Watt
globe powered up and show the input ( loaded and unloaded ) and the setup and then mount the camera to show the virtual
panel on the computer.

That way it can be seen that the wave forms remain the same, and I won't need to show input or anything as the setup won't
need to be touched I hope. Then I can go through the settings I'm using on the Ultrascope software, maybe get some tips after.  :)

To go from loaded wave forms to unloaded wave forms I'll need to adjust the vertical divisions due to resonance rise.

I hope to get back in a few hours with the results. Maybe much sooner with a pattern or two. I have to use my stills camera for
video for now so quality and battery time is limited.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 10, 2014, 03:12:26 PM
Now this is interesting, I'm glad you asked me to do the experiment again TK, I couldn't work out what was going on as I was
making the video but noticed the phases looked odd for the load and the tank. I worked out later why .... [Resonance] ! Looks
like the light globe is almost resonant and it's inductance is causing a quite reactive filament light globe.  8) Lucky I didn't blow it.
Light globe and clip lead had a cold inductance of 58 uH.

Check the the two power traces they are all labeled, "tank loaded" - "globe loaded" ect. and the last figure for the load is
almost round  ;D .

Attached is a Zip file of the Jpegs I saved from the computer during video part 2.

Here is the first part of the video (setup fine tune and some scope phases loaded and unloaded and input shown.

Test 1Globe load reactive power Part 1 :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5mLALutgqCc

Video part 2 Shows load phase and power ect.

Test 1- 2 Globe load reactive power Part 2 :-)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDs128Q64lc
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P.S. I'll post the two scope shots showing-
1) The loaded output tank voltage, current and power.
2) The load voltage, current and power.
Globe inductance cold is 58 uH.  :)
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 11, 2014, 04:43:12 AM
Wow! Look at that math trace, it is approaching +/- symmetry. When you can get that thing perfectly symmetrical and still have a brilliant bulb, that will be something that will make the QEG folks stand up and take notice, I think.

I've noticed with my wireless power transmission systems that the receiver bulb can often be much brighter than the same bulb is when connected directly to the battery powering the transmitter. I haven't bothered to explore this phenomenon other than to note it and demonstrate it in several different instances. Also my WP systems exhibit what we have been calling "Supernova Mode" where the thing will abruptly switch into a mode where the bulb is much brighter and also the received power does not show the expected 1/r2 distance dependence, over a short span.

In the "normal" mode as the receiver is moved away the received power decreases and also the input power to the transmitter decreases. In Supernova Mode as the receiver is moved away the received power doesn't decrease and the input power to the transmitter increases. It is as if a more direct link between transmitter and receiver is in effect. Near-field direct EM coupling, instead of broadcast and received power? Truly resonant load including the bulb filament? I dunno but the issue is an interesting one and probably should be explored.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaVmTeaU4Io
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 11, 2014, 04:58:02 AM
It's near field effects.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 11, 2014, 05:09:49 AM
It's near field effects.
Of course. But as someone else once said, simply naming a thing does not explain it. It's an effect, it happens in a field, when nearby. Ergo, near field effect.  Heads nod sagely, sound of pencils scribbling in notebooks, one solitary hand rises from the back of the room.... "Yes, you there in the back, you have a question?"

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 11, 2014, 05:38:42 AM
Of course. But as someone else once said, simply naming a thing does not explain it. It's an effect, it happens in a field, when nearby. Ergo, near field effect.  Heads nod sagely, sound of pencils scribbling in notebooks, one solitary hand rises from the back of the room.... "Yes, you there in the back, you have a question?"
Where are the donuts?  We were promised donuts...

Seriously, id you want to dive deeper then one thing that you can do is to drop the carrier frequency down.  This will extend the distance where you are in the near field and should make it easier to get consistent near field behavior.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 11, 2014, 08:31:44 AM
The light bulb would seem to be experiencing about 0.7 amp RMS of current in a part designed for 0.25 Amp, the math trace
shows about 11 VA applied and 7 VA returned leaving about 4 VA consumed or 4 Watts output. But the math trace doesn't
seem to jive with the calculated power.

EDIT: Mistake on the input power it was actually 12.7 volts at 0.4 Amp input or 5 Watts. 4 / 5 = .8 or 80% efficiency.

Yeah this setup can slay a few fallacies I think, there is the reduced input under load effect, the load not reflecting to the primary
effect, it can demonstrate some reactive power issues that get misunderstood, it can show resonant activity in the tanks that is
no where near 90 degree shift between voltage and current and it can show in phase inductive loads and out of phase inductive
loads.

I think I can get up to 77 % real efficiency end to end with some loads. Or very low efficiency when caused.

I think the output and input impedance can be varied for different loads.

I think I will apply the "Thevenin's theorum" test to try to determine the maximum and minimum output impedance.

I'll need to reduce the coupling so that the output short circuit doesn't max out my power supply or I can use a battery, but the
pulsing circuit is frequency sensitive to supply voltage so the circuit needs a regulated supply to stay stable on the right
frequency as well as a supply of 12.5 volts or so that's unrestricted for the primary coil. If it's an issue depends on if the
frequency rises with a reducing voltage or drops with a reducing voltage and how much it varies with 0.1 volt supply change.

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Post edited to rectify reported input power value.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 11, 2014, 03:39:55 PM
OK here's the result of a "moderate" input power level of about 12.5 volts and 0.09 A input open circuit
and 12.5 volts and 0.5 A input shorted, resulting in the following output conditions respectively from left to right.

So the Thevenin resistance Rth is the open circuit voltage Vab divided by the short circuit current Iab. Or - Vth / Ith = Rth .

Vth - 7.86 / Ith - 0.363 = Rth - 21.6 Ohms.

It can vary quite a bit, and with a small adjustment it maxes out the 1 amp current meter. So I think it can go well below 10 Ohms.

I wonder what will happen when I short it with a low resistance high inductance coil that has a core.  :-\

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 11, 2014, 05:14:47 PM
Here's some Lissajous patterns resulting from the 1:2 harmonics causing a double frequency on the HV tank while the LV tank
remains at about 300 kHz, the bottom right scope shot shows the LV tank when continued reduction of capacitance on the HV tank
begins to force the LV tank into a similar but less than perfect double frequency of almost 600 kHz. The HV double frequency is fairly
even voltage but low current.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 11, 2014, 11:59:20 PM
Here's a shot of the tank voltage and the current in the ground line (voltage across a 0.8 Ohm resistor in ground line) the
elevated plate is about 1500 mm x 300 mm x 4 mm thick. I think it has some tens of pF capacitance, maybe 100 pF just going by the extra capacitance I need without the antenna connected. Maybe I should put a 100 pF capacitor in series with the antenna.

Not sure how to measure the voltage current and phase in the antenna wire itself.
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HI,
I don't find a formula for your elevated plate, but what import is the plate area and his height .
This capacitor have 3 components
  a) Capacitor plate relative to the Univers, C1.
  b) Capacitor plate relative to the Earth, C2.
  c) Capacitor of the Earth relative to the Univers, C3. (760uF, http://web.mit.edu/sahughes/www/8.022/lec06.pdf)
So your Plate capacitor, C, is the sum of C2+ C1 in serial with C3.
  C=C2+C1*C3/(C1+C3)  and if C3>> C1   C=C2+C1

Here is a formula for a disc in space, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitance , find "Circular disc".
       C= 8 * epsilon0 * a,   with epsilon0=8.84e-12 and a=rayon  in m
Your plate has an surface of 1.5*0.3=0.45m² and a disc of same surface has  a rayon r=sqrt(A/Pi) = sqrt(0.45/Pi) = 0.378m
so for  a=0.378m --> C1=8*8,84e-12*0,378 pF=26,7 pF
You must add the Plate to earth  capacitor C2=epsilon* A/d  with A=Area(m²) and d=disque to earth length in m.
 C2=8,84e-12*1.5*0.3/d   but I don't know D!
  - if d=5m then C2=79.56pf
As C3>> C1  (760uF>>26.7pF) , your capacitor plate is
   C=C1+C2=79.6pf+26,7 pf=106.3pF
Don"t forget, this is a raw calculus but it's approximately your conclusion!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 12, 2014, 12:04:10 AM
This is an error...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 12, 2014, 10:15:42 AM
Well, I made a good estimation the antenna capacitance it I think. Anyway here is a circuit sketch and a new picture of the setup
in case it might help anyone to see what's going on. The wave drawing for the ground potential/current is only a conceptual aid
I expect the wave would be very much damped before the 250 meter mark.  ;) I got the 0.5 v p to p by scoping the ground stake for
the DUT and another stake at 5 meters distance from it. Signal was at circuit frequency and kinda sinusoidal, my portable nano
scope can't deal with HF very well and shows a triangular wave form instead of a sinus.

And an unrelated odd Lissajous pattern for curiosity caused by "harmonics", I can't find another that resembles it.  :D

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P.S I've replaced the circuit diagram with the modified one so it's last now.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 12, 2014, 11:56:05 AM
I'm thinking about modifying the primary coil switching circuit so that I can measure the primary coil current and voltage as well as
the supply current. So I can use batteries and allow return currents oscillations, either to a capacitor near the coil or to the battery.

I've drawn a proposed arrangement and I'm only concerned with the "power" section, the signal section does have various
capacitors and such to damp unwanted oscillations.

I'm unsure if I need or want the inductor to act as a "filter" or part of a resonant charging element.

Any suggestions ? Basically the circuit now just has the 470 uF capacitor near the coil. And 20 nF across the switch.

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I've got a resonance seeking circuit I could try to set up, a kind of an "Armstrong oscillator" circuit. I like the manual tuning though.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 12, 2014, 12:53:19 PM
Unless you have differential probes, you need to consider what you will use for your instrument common during your measurements.  You need to include consideration for whether or not your instrument common will also be a power supply common due to the green safety lead.

The logical place for a CSR is betwen the MOSFET source, and the rest of the circuit common that feeds the 100uF cap, pulse generator and MOSFET driver.

I do not see anything to limit the flyback voltage of your 10uH coil.  Is it coupled to the left hand coil?  If it isn't, then you need to think about how you would prefer to protect the MOSFET drain.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 12, 2014, 01:14:18 PM
All three of my main power supplies: Topward, Elenco and HP, have their + and - outputs isolated from chassis/line ground. There is a third banana jack for chassis ground and a strap that can be used to strap either positive or negative to chassis and line ground on the Topward and the HP. The Elenco also has a Chassis ground jack but its jacks aren't in the neat standard triangle on 3/4" centers so it can't be easily strapped. But I prefer using batteries on these circuits anyhow, just so there won't be any doubt about the nature of the input.

My Interstate F43 has an "isolation" feature that allows isolating the "negative" or BNC shields from the chassis ground. It has all these neat isolated bulkhead BNC connectors, and the switch. But it is really easy to forget during a complicated hookup and inadvertently connect the FG to a chassis ground when it shouldn't otta be. Like when using the FG's synch output to drive the external trigger of one of the scopes-- which of course have the BNC shields grounded back to their chassis and to the mains green wire. I have in my time created some mean groundloops through probe references and instrument chassis.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 12, 2014, 01:20:35 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtR63-ecUNo&list=PLFgoUhNvMLrow9cmljUZWLdHiE5hzl8c2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtR63-ecUNo&list=PLFgoUhNvMLrow9cmljUZWLdHiE5hzl8c2)

Gaahh... I just fed that audio into my own scope and it does make the same patterns! Not as clear of course but definitely, it survives the transcoding, the headphone jack, the scope probes... and it paints on my own screen!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 12, 2014, 01:54:37 PM
Unless you have differential probes, you need to consider what you will use for your instrument common during your measurements.  You need to include consideration for whether or not your instrument common will also be a power supply common due to the green safety lead.

The logical place for a CSR is betwen the MOSFET source, and the rest of the circuit common that feeds the 100uF cap, pulse generator and MOSFET driver.

I do not see anything to limit the flyback voltage of your 10uH coil.  Is it coupled to the left hand coil?  If it isn't, then you need to think about how you would prefer to protect the MOSFET drain.

No Mark the flyback is taken care of, the coil discharges into the 20 nF cap across the switch then reflects back to the
supply capacitor. It can run all by itself with no loads.  :) That's why I get a 40 + volt lump from a 12.5 volt supply.  ;)

I would almost bet me leftie that the primary has a sine wave on it or close to a sine wave.

The CSR between the mosfet source and circuit ground will only give the current through the mosfet and not the coil discharge
current. Only a CSR between the coil and the mosfet drain will track the current through the coil and back I think, not sure about
how to get both the voltage across the coil and the current through and back from the 20 nF capacitor. 20 nF in series with 330 uF
is not much different to 20 nF itself.

The green safety lead to my tanks you mean ? They are isolated from the supply circuit by 15 to 20 mm at the least. And I think
the DC output of the Power supply is isolated. I could use a good battery as a supply do take the measurements, if I let it run for
some time the battery voltage will stabilize pretty much and I can re-tune.

I can just remove the green safety lead to take measurements on the tanks. But it makes no real difference, I don't think.

I might just add some timing capacitance to the plse generator so I can widen the pulse width a bit to begin with, and add a
FR302 diode to the input + rail from the supply.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 12, 2014, 03:00:56 PM
Here's some shots of the Drain not loaded by the resonant tanks (with the tanks de-tuned the input is almost the same as when
there is no coil at all near it), and the input is minimal, when I put a tanked coil near the primary and tune the tanked coil the input
power to the primary increases to power the tanks, and-or the load. Depending on the tuning of the coupled tank.

When the primary is loaded by the tanks alone and there is no actual load the drain voltage rises rather than falls, but
input current increases of course. So there is input current and there is primary coil current, different measurements.

The shape of the DC lump trace on the drain shows the voltage rising due to the flyback charging the 20 nF capacitor across
the switch, then the voltage declining as the 20 nF capacitor discharges back through the coil to the circuit capacitor on the
supply positive rail. And I think that results in an almost sine wave or even a true sine wave across the primary, but that
won't be seen scoping the drain of the mosfet.
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Of course many of the "unguided" might call that OU if the seen it. hahahaa


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 12, 2014, 03:40:45 PM
I guess if the DC power supply is isolated then I can just connect the negative end of the primary coil (mosfet drain) to the same
ground as everything else. Then all coils are grounded to the same point, and I can disconnect the ground connection from my
ground stake, but then the scope will be the ground, I won;t be using any elevated antenna : )

So is that OK ? Or what should I do to be able to measure the primary coil voltage and current together ? Not the current through
the mosfet or the input current but the oscillating current in the primary coil. Ground it's negative (Drain) end I think is the way.

The DC circuit ground would then swing negative isolated wouldn't it ?

Then I can then isolate it if I want to measure the gate or Drain wave forms. I think.

I'll modify the drawing, I think I have the entire thing final, except for accurate component values, I will need to re measure
anything that I want to get accurate as far as components like the tunign coils and actual capacitor values ect.

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P.S. If I just use a DMM on the battery voltage and return current that will work, or I could use and Isolated scope, or change the
primary circuit ground to scope the drain and gate. Or scope them backwards.  :)

And I tested my DC power supply, neither the positive nor the negative of the power supply set to 12.5 volts causes any currents
to the scope ground or to my ground, there is a DC off set between the scope (house ground and my ground of a few mV.

Can I use a 270 or 540 Ohm resistor there to make sure that my ground does not affect the measurements while keeping
my ground connected ? Just while I do the measurements on everything ? Or any suggestions ?
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Oh dear ! But it does cause currents if I try to connect the scope ground to the drain of the mosfet ! I used a resistor to test .  :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 12, 2014, 05:24:39 PM
Here's my drain wave form using the positive rail as the scope ground. Doing so caused no change in the power supply current.
Funnily if I scope betwenn the positive rail and the negative rail I get hardly anything and no change to the power supply current.
But if I try to connect the scope ground to the mosfet drain then the power supply current will change.

Not a sine wave but it wants to be one.  ;D..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 12, 2014, 05:38:26 PM
No Mark the flyback is taken care of, the coil discharges into the 20 nF cap across the switch then reflects back to the
supply capacitor. It can run all by itself with no loads.  :) That's why I get a 40 + volt lump from a 12.5 volt supply.  ;)

I would almost bet me leftie that the primary has a sine wave on it or close to a sine wave.

The CSR between the mosfet source and circuit ground will only give the current through the mosfet and not the coil discharge
current.
Yes, but that is the price of only having single ended equipment that doesn't float.
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Only a CSR between the coil and the mosfet drain will track the current through the coil and back I think, not sure about
how to get both the voltage across the coil and the current through and back from the 20 nF capacitor. 20 nF in series with 330 uF
is not much different to 20 nF itself.
The issue is that the voltages you wish to measure do not reference the power supply common.  Depending on how your power supply and oscilloscope are grounded you can easily create loops through the green safety wires that will fry your circuit and/or your scope if you connect the black ground clips of your scope probes anywhere other than the power supply common.  If you have differential probes and keep them within their common mode range then the only limitation will be common mode rejection limited accuracy.
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The green safety lead to my tanks you mean ? They are isolated from the supply circuit by 15 to 20 mm at the least. And I think
the DC output of the Power supply is isolated. I could use a good battery as a supply do take the measurements, if I let it run for
some time the battery voltage will stabilize pretty much and I can re-tune.
Or you can regulate the battery output.  The message here is to diagram and verify where your equipment commons connect so that you don't fry anything.
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I can just remove the green safety lead to take measurements on the tanks. But it makes no real difference, I don't think.
Again this depends on how your equipment is configured.  There are lots of people who have gotten away with disconnecting the green safety wires when measuring.  In a nanny state world that is not something anyone can recommend to you because if it goes wrong you can get a shock and/or damage your equipment with ESD.
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I might just add some timing capacitance to the plse generator so I can widen the pulse width a bit to begin with, and add a
FR302 diode to the input + rail from the supply.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 12, 2014, 05:57:48 PM
OK I think I got all that. I'll make up a proper schematic so I can show better the scope ground and probe placement. And change
the indicated placement on the same drawing.

Thanks

P.S. The power supply has a transformer, and I measured over 10 Megaohms between the scope ground and each DC positive
and negative rail, also my scope has even more resistance to the power supply, might be faulty (have to check it),  my ground
shows a large resistance to the scope ground as well. Maybe the house ground has a high resistance I think mine is good
unless it has a connection fault somewhere. I'll do some checking of the grounds they should have a fairly low resistance to
each other.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 13, 2014, 04:34:28 AM
OK here is a base Schematic of how I think the circuit should be configured so as to take power measurements from all coils with
the scope. all grounds to the same ground point. My ground stake is galvanized coated steel and the house ground is copper so
they form an Earth battery and there is about .6 volt DC between them, my stake measures negative with respect to the house
ground. but wetting the house ground with waste fluid (pee)  :-[  removed most of the AC noise on the grounds. If I want to
measure the DC input power I can smooth it and use a DMM or do it separately. I want the scope the voltage and current through
the primary coil so I can see the effect of loads on the supply voltage, current, phase and if there is return currents or not ect.

Nothing much has values, yet. being tuned circuit it can be made to operate at whatever frequency is required if the correct
components are chosen and tuned.

All resistors shown are CSR's and I will need to guy them. Any suggestions ? I guess I need at least 2.5 Watt CSR's and 0.1 Ohm.
Other values I would use if there is a reason. I find 0.1 Ohm has little effect on the circuit.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 13, 2014, 05:36:14 AM
If you are running less than 1MHz then the WNExxx Aryton Perry wound resistors from Ohmite are pretty good.  They are less than $1.00 each.  Pick the largest resistance value that won't mess up your circuit.  To do better than these you need to go to a non-inductive four terminal resistor.

http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/resistors/through-hole-resistors/66690?k=wne (http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en/resistors/through-hole-resistors/66690?k=wne)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 13, 2014, 06:07:23 AM
Awesome thanks Mark, I'll endeavor to get some of those or similar in 0.1 Ohm - 0.5 Ohm and 1 Ohm for different applications, I
think the 0.1 Ohms is a bit low for the LV measurements. And I should get a few non inductive load resistors, maybe I can make
sliding - variable ones with my rectangle cross section carbon arc gouging rods.  :-\  They are about 300 mm long but they don't
have much resistance each due to how thick they are I think. For the LV load I think I would want about 5 to 20 Ohms maybe
more.

What if I wind a non inductive high resistance coil ? And carefully tune any inductance out ? I guess it will still have capacitance then. 

Anyway I think the setup is a fairly good HF AC generator for experimenting and I'll make some better coils, I will try to replicate
the frequency of the setup with single strand wound coils of thicker wire and make it so I can move all the coils with respect to
each other as well as set up some kind of a mount board with mounting for the coils so finer adjustments can be made to the
coupling ect. and fastened (locked in place).

I can always change to using a TK primary driver circuit or a H Bridge or something later. I've got a H bridge prototyped using
IRS2110 Hi-Lo mosfet drivers. Just need to work out the details for 300 kHz and make some boards and so forth.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 13, 2014, 06:58:37 AM
Did you see this? It is hilarious. Don't these people have an internet connection?

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/376-what-happens-when-overunity-is-achieved?start=240#2490


Pretty soon they will be caught up with you Farmhand... to where you were last week!  And of course they are completely oblivious to my videos as well.

This would be funny if it weren't so pitiful. Or the other way around, maybe.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 13, 2014, 07:07:50 AM
@Farmhand there are several advantages and several drawbacks to using the Royer/Mazilli ZVS oscillator circuits I use. A big advantage is that the same basic circuit works over a really wide range of frequencies, just by changing the tank values, and also over a big range of power values, by choosing the right mosfets and chokes.
The autoresonating and more or less pure sine wave outputs have their advantages and disadvantages too. For great VRSWR in a  loosely coupled aircore resonator you really want a spike or pulse train with rapid rise and fall times, narrow for efficiency and tall for voltage. The sine output of the circuit doesn't make a great SSTC primary driver without further pulse shaping. And the autoresonating feature means you can't really experiment easily by turning a simple knob to get different frequencies. However a tunable inductor or big air-variable cap takes care of that.
One big plus is that the mosfets are little stressed when the circuit is working right, since they are switching at the zero crossings. There are also single mosfet versions of autoresonating circuits but I find those trickier. There is something quite pleasing to me about the symmetry of the ZVS drivers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 13, 2014, 08:06:01 AM
Did you see this? It is hilarious. Don't these people have an internet connection?

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/376-what-happens-when-overunity-is-achieved?start=240#2490


Pretty soon they will be caught up with you Farmhand... to where you were last week!  And of course they are completely oblivious to my videos as well.

This would be funny if it weren't so pitiful. Or the other way around, maybe.

Well That's just great, now I will have to make a 300 kHz BiTT to power from my HF generator output and see what happens
at the input if I get the results he got.  :) Shouldn't be too difficult.

Name variations anyone ? The "BiTT of Death" or "BiTTer Sweet" Maybe.  ;D

Anyone think it can work with an "Air core Toroid" with the appropriate spacings and an Air core solenoid as the primary ?

Would that be a miracle to see the same results with an Air core setup or just impossible ?

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 13, 2014, 11:35:31 AM
Here's a web page from National Instruments about ground loops and so forth with scopes.

http://www.ni.com/white-paper/3394/en/

Attached is one diagram to show the do and do not's.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 13, 2014, 08:12:19 PM
Your set-up is the one in the lower right hand corner, provided that you have floated your scope.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 14, 2014, 03:27:40 AM
New setup is more like the center one on the left hand side now. I've built what I think is a much better setup, i dug out a set of
pretty coils I wound for a different project a long time ago, it has two 20 turn coils of 2 x strands of 1 mm wire spaced by string
between each turn of the double 1 mm winding. The two coils are 70 mm apart on a 90 mm former and measure about 28 uH
each. I simply wound the double strands of 1 mm wire from the old output coil into an 8 turn primary coil between the two 20 turn
coils.

So all coils so far are made from double 1 mm magnet wire, The primary has 8 uH inductance and I kept the 20 nF across the
switch and it works almost exactly the same as before. I can move the primary from side to side.
The two secondaries I can put in series and have a center tap.

The online calculator said I would need 10 nF for a single side 28 uH coil and so I put a 10 nF capacitor across one side and got a
rise of over 120 volts from it and the capacitor got so hot in about 30 seconds it nearly burned my finger.  :) 600 v cap

So of course I decided to put both coils in series and use two x 2.5 nF caps in parallel which worked well too.
I've got a 20 mm wide primary between two secondaries with a coupling space of 25 mm on each side to each secondary.

25 mm is plenty close enough to get good coupling at resonance.

TK, I get the supanova mode now that I've fixed the pulse generator so I can get right up to 50% duty, I think I am using 42%.
The circuit slowly gains "tune" as I adjust until - boom - input goes to maximum and the voltage and current on the tanks does too.

It definitely tries to "lock" in. I also tested my circuit for frequency variation due to voltage changes and found that the frequency
lowers by only a few kHz over 1 volts and being that it lowers with a dropping voltage that's good. Brings the primary closer to
resonance frequency so input power actually rises as the voltage drops.  :)

The setup is already mounted on a wooden frame and has room for more coils as well as plenty of space for the primary circuit,
a battery, the output circuit, and other stuff.

With 12 volts input voltage and a transformation ratio of 1:5 I get over 120 volts on each secondary so resonant rise is there.
If I use 10 nF on each secondary the tank activity should be buku.

Coils have almost no resistance and the secondaries parasitic capacitance is reduced by the spacing of the turns.
Should work well. I'll use the variable capacitors to tune and de tune the tanks so I can adjust the input power ect.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 14, 2014, 03:38:08 AM


Name variations anyone ? The "BiTT of Death" or "BiTTer Sweet" Maybe.  ;D

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How about: Little BiTT Of O.U.?

Great work Farmhand.  I am doing my best to follow along.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 14, 2014, 07:32:11 AM
About Isolating the scope and grounding the circuit, rather than removing the Earth lug from the plug or otherwise disconnecting
the ground wire, what other simple options are there.

Could I just power the scope from a UPS which is supplied by an inverter that is powered by a big battery. The inverter will power
the UPS and the UPS will give good clean power to the scope but the entire setup would have galvanic isolation.

I have a 300 Watt inverter and a small 300 Watt UPS, the UPS has a transformer output but won't work from the battery unless
the mains power lead is plugged in, hopefully it will run from an inverter, but i have doubts. I have a switch mode type inverter
that will run without the power lead plugged in but I think that might be dangerous. Not sure, no schematic.

The small "transformer based UPS" is a good brand in metal case the other is a generic brand in a plastic case.

So if floating the circuit is not appropriate I can float the scope that way I think.
Advice or confirmation is welcome.  :-\

The scope is already powered through a large UPS "filter surge protection" section as is the Function generator and the
desktop computer is powered through the battery backup section of the Large UPS. I can just power the scope and FG
from a smaller 300-600 VA UPS and a small 300-600 watt inverter powered from a battery that's charged by Sol. For free  ;)

Circuit input power is free as well.  :) Surely the output must be free also ? No one is charging me for the energy. That's free
energy to me.  Equipment can be very expensive though. Just look at the price of differential probes, current probes and 4 - 8 ch
oscilloscopes. Wow.

Anyone want to donate me, a 4 Channel Tektronix oscilloscope 100 mHz, two current probes that will do up to 1 mHz two
differential probes, two 100 mHz 1000 x probes, and two 100 mHz 100 x probes ? only a few thousand dollars worth of
equipment.  ;D I can say it's to replicate Tesla's HF resonant lighting setups, with retro looking mounts /cabinets ect.

I just need to light a fluorescent tube across the top of the wall mounted wooden frame with the device all secured to the
frame and a wall wort, (or a small battery for an emergency) Tesla Room light. I could up the potential by adding extra coils to
the outside of the secondaries, and being a bipolar setup at low power and HF it doesn't really need a ground on the secondary
or at all to be safe enough. There is the novelty of being able to light other fluros near the coils as well. If I show no input
increase when lighting the fluro or a drop in input it will hhpe enough people up to go fund me $6000.00 ?
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 14, 2014, 09:15:16 AM
About Isolating the scope and grounding the circuit, rather than removing the Earth lug from the plug or otherwise disconnecting
the ground wire, what other simple options are there.

Could I just power the scope from a UPS which is supplied by an inverter that is powered by a big battery. The inverter will power
the UPS and the UPS will give good clean power to the scope but the entire setup would have galvanic isolation.

I have a 300 Watt inverter and a small 300 Watt UPS, the UPS has a transformer output but won't work from the battery unless
the mains power lead is plugged in, hopefully it will run from an inverter, but i have doubts. I have a switch mode type inverter
that will run without the power lead plugged in but I think that might be dangerous. Not sure, no schematic.

The small "transformer based UPS" is a good brand in metal case the other is a generic brand in a plastic case.

So if floating the circuit is not appropriate I can float the scope that way I think.
Advice or confirmation is welcome.  :-\

The scope is already powered through a large UPS "filter surge protection" section as is the Function generator and the
desktop computer is powered through the battery backup section of the Large UPS. I can just power the scope and FG
from a smaller 300-600 VA UPS and a small 300-600 watt inverter powered from a battery that's charged by Sol. For free  ;)

Circuit input power is free as well.  :) Surely the output must be free also ? No one is charging me for the energy. That's free
energy to me.  Equipment can be very expensive though. Just look at the price of differential probes, current probes and 4 - 8 ch
oscilloscopes. Wow.

Anyone want to donate me, a 4 Channel Tektronix oscilloscope 100 mHz, two current probes that will do up to 1 mHz two
differential probes, two 100 mHz 1000 x probes, and two 100 mHz 100 x probes ? only a few thousand dollars worth of
equipment.  ;D I can say it's to replicate Tesla's HF resonant lighting setups, with retro looking mounts /cabinets ect.

I just need to light a fluorescent tube across the top of the wall mounted wooden frame with the device all secured to the
frame and a wall wort, (or a small battery for an emergency) Tesla Room light. I could up the potential by adding extra coils to
the outside of the secondaries, and being a bipolar setup at low power and HF it doesn't really need a ground on the secondary
or at all to be safe enough. There is the novelty of being able to light other fluros near the coils as well. If I show no input
increase when lighting the fluro or a drop in input it will hhpe enough people up to go fund me $6000.00 ?
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You could use an inverter intended for automotive use. 

I have no guess on what you might be able to raise with a GFM campaign.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 14, 2014, 11:03:12 AM
My Bad, I meant to write I have a "switch mode UPS" a cheap one, that will run from the battery without the mains lead being
plugged in.

The 300 Watt inverter is a "true sine wave inverter", (it has a filter on the output of a H bridge). Not a pure sine wave inverter,
but it does output a sine wave, however the voltage can be quite high 260 volts or so, same with the grid during the day, due to
our 5 kW grid tie solar system the line voltage can go above 260 volts during the daytime in full sun. We've had trouble with low
voltage for a long time then they changed the phase we are on from the pole transformer and changed out transformer back down
the line for a bigger one, that fixed the low voltage, some VAR was needed I think to keep the voltage up. Then we got the solar
system and the voltage on our lines gets quite high now. I think I've seen 265 volts at the wall outlet.  ;D

Just kidding about the go fund me stuff. I couldn't take the pressure. Although maybe there is a market for it with the fake antique
look things.

Cheers
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 14, 2014, 12:16:40 PM
Quality solar inverters do not drive the line outside the regulatory limits.  265V is getting there for a 240VAC line.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 14, 2014, 01:01:53 PM
Yeah still it does fluctuate a lot, maybe the inverter and/or UPS way will give a stable voltage as well. I know the line voltage
fluctuations affect the output of the power supply because the input changes, probably because it's cheap, a big battery will give
a fairly stable voltage for an amp or two for the circuit.

I still need to make a final drawing for any testing.

I'm getting too far off topic here so I'll look for or start a HF HV AC Tesla lighting thread. I have almost planned out this wall mounted
Fluorescent globe lighting setup. I already have an appropriate boost converter to double the input voltage and will "replicate" this
Tesla Patent device in principal, Tesla regularly said more or less "this is what is intended and here are a few ways to do it, but any
way that produces the same results will work", he knew better methods like solid state switching would come along. I often use
several of his ways for the control of a circuits resonance from his "methods for regulating HF currents" Patent.

Lighting Patent (input voltage doubling).
http://www.google.com/patents/US583953

Regulating methods Patent. To see the 2nd image you need to click on it directly, it has the HV capacitor "tank" cap.
http://www.google.com/patents/US568178

This setup will resemble in practice his last HF lighting Patent with the fancy looking cabinet thing.  :)

I still have full intention of doing an in out measurement and circuit analysis to see what is happening and if it can be improved in
efficiency for the intended load, long fluorescent globes/tubes whatever they be called. I'll take this else where so the discussion
can go back to the scammers and their dastardly deeds.  :(
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 17, 2014, 06:50:38 PM
TK and FH you guys might find this interesting:


http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/free-energy-not-qeg/551-solid-state-generator-akula-dally-cheap-to-build


Cheers!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 17, 2014, 08:26:49 PM
Yah I saw that, someone is pushing the Akula and Kapanadze non-replicable devices. There are also posts concerning a mini QEG, a tri-transformer solid state QEG that is at least a month behind Farmhand and me, and someone else is trying to use the term "micro QEG" without referring to my videos at all. The guy who is satirically building a QEG "on the cheap" is still in there somewhere, and my videos are linked from his, so perhaps there is still hope that they will reach their target audience and help someone understand, and save some money.

There is still no report of "progress" from Pennsylvania or from any of the other building teams. Is there something rotten in Denmark?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 17, 2014, 08:54:34 PM


Is there something rotten in Denmark?


I heard that Denmark has achieved resonance.  (Maybe it was PA?) So, free energy for everyone over there...unless someone actually decides to do real measurements of input/output.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 17, 2014, 09:13:31 PM
It's kinda odd but then again it's kinda run of the mill, really. TK's had his device name stolen now as well, the lowies ! My setup is
coming along, it might not play enough tunes to be a "harmonica". And HV parallel plate air variable capacitors are expensive. The
ones I've got are not for HV but have been holding out until earlier, maybe an insect flew into it, it did sound like a zapper. A fly was
sitting on a small sphere I had on the HV end of my spark gap Tesla coil, I energized the coil and the streamer came right out
through the fly's head and it dropped trailing a small streamer between it and the top load.  :) I videotaped it and tagged it on the
end of one of my video's but I cannot find it :(.  The fly was like a bump on the sphere and so the initial streamer formed at the fly.
Looked like it pulled the fly down initially. Was very quick demise.

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P.S. I think I need a micro controller and a pair of servo or stepper motors to turn my variable capacitor knobs for me. It's a dodgy
deal leaning over the setup and touching the caps, I've had a few HF arc burns from the HF LV on the other arrangement but no
HV HF arc burns yet, they're hot as Hades.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 17, 2014, 09:28:03 PM
There is an update from Canada from four days ago on the money page:

http://www.gofundme.com/qegac-quantum-energy-gen (http://www.gofundme.com/qegac-quantum-energy-gen)

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Hi everyone! There have been several delays, but we are back no track now. We are winding 2 cores in Canada that will be finished by the end of next week. Following that, we will commence our build in Montreal.

We are still very short of our goal and very out of pocket. Please do what you can to help and pass this go fund page around. Thanks.

To witness the build please check in at qegcanada.ca or search qeg canada on face book.

I note they have raised $2015 out of $8000.  Even though they are "out of pocket, " when it doesn't work I think that they should return all of the donated money back to the contributors such that they are even more out of pocket.

We will *hopefully* see what happens.  There might be a boat in a marina somewhere in Montreal that needs a new anchor.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 17, 2014, 09:28:53 PM
I think Jamie putting up an antenna/transmitter is Three Stooges comedy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 18, 2014, 05:48:53 AM
Sure was, Mo was working the camera, just in case Larry fell so they could get it on camera and run a "go fund me" hospital
and rehab fees campaign. Curly has to stay safe, Curly is the "Face" of the campaign.  :D

Here's a page with a list of different antenna types. Can anyone spot what type of antenna is Jamies from the list and what type
was the one I used ?

List of antenna's. Some interesting info on there.
http://www.antenna-theory.com/antennas/main.php

And here's a page on "Shortened Verticals" as in vertical antenna's, capacitive and inductive elements are used and for radiating
the ground is important and is covered first and in detail but for RF grounding it's just general info really I guess.
http://www.radiobrandy.com/AM-Short-Vertical-ants-2.html

I found this section interesting and the parts below that are good too, it's all good, as far as RF goes. My Tesla coils generally
have very sharp tuning, and with even the small ones I can "block out" a narrow band in the middle of the reception range
for the local 840 kHz station so that I can receive the radio and listen to it on a portable Transistor radio on both sides of a blank
or "silent" section. If I could modulate my voice on there i could do a very small area local radio broadcast in by breaking into the
radio station people are listening to, but I would not do that and my power is always very low when experimenting like that. I'll
bet the coils on my new setup have a fairly high Q. I'll use a radio tuned to 840 Khz and 1260 kHz and see what effect the
420 kHz fundamental has as well as tuning one secondary to 840kHz then the other opposite polarity one as well ect..
Even the laptop makes the radio scream if it's held too close so the trick is to get the distance right to hear the effect clearly.

Note also a 1:1 aspect ratio has a higher "Q" than a long narrow aspect ratio coil. I try to build experimental coils fairly large
diameter and close to a 1:1 aspect ratio.
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bandwidth

There is one possible problem with a shortened and tuned antenna. If the Q is too high and the bandwidth is too narrow, the
sidebands will be attenuated and the audio quality of the signal will suffer. However, you probably will not have this problem. It's
almost impossible to accidentally build a high-Q antenna system.

If you want or need to experiment with antenna bandwidth, the following actions will lower the Q and increase the bandwidth:

    use larger diameter material for the vertical radiator
    re-build the loading coil with smaller diameter and increased length

Note the radiating (radio) effect is greater (more efficient) above 1600 kHz and so we can understand why Tesla considered using
relatively low frequencies of around 30 to 40 kHz up to 100 kHz or a bit more for his proposed Ground power transmission system.

So the higher the resonating frequency of the coil/ antenna combo the higher is the "radiated power" in the atmosphere, kinda.
How it's made matters a lot as well.

The capacity of Jamies antenna compared to his frequency didn't seem to me to be enough to cause the current we seen, he
probably faked it anyway.


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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on August 18, 2014, 09:16:35 AM


I note they have raised $2015 out of $8000.  Even though they are "out of pocket, " when it doesn't work I think that they should return all of the donated money back to the contributors such that they are even more out of pocket.


Absolutely!  ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 18, 2014, 09:57:40 AM
Quote below from the QEG Canada web link MileHigh gave. Outright lies in bold, it's donation fraud I tells ta !

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For the moment the QEG is a prototype, which simply means that it is under development. However, it does achieve over unity, which is why teams of qualified engineers around the world, in Taiwan, Germany, Morroco, Florida, China and else where are building QEGs right now and experimenting with it, modifying it, in order to achieve maximum over unity output of usable clean power

It takes approximately 1000 watts to run the QEG and when functioning at maximum efficiency can output 40,000 watts of clean non-polluting quantum energy.  (The average Canadian home requires 26,000 watts for heating and electical needs). 

What exactly are "electical" needs ? hahahahhaa Proof read the post to encourage people to donate their hard earned money
their fraud did they ? Nup no one will notice, target market won't anyway.  ;)

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 18, 2014, 02:24:45 PM
So here are some wave forms from the right tank of my new setup while driving a fluro and also the bottom right wave form is
the left tank tuned to double the frequency of the primary and secondary, Also the scope reference and probe placement is at
the top. I inverted channel 2 otherwise the voltage and current was about 180 out of phase, I found that interesting.
And eventually turned on the bandwidth limit on channel two it was set to off, so I turned it on at some stage, not sure when.  :-[

Seems the V and I phases are almost "in phase", how can that be ? Isn't reactive power "out of phase" ? Even in a tank ?

I know it's still rough but I think the measurements are close surely.
Current trace is still the voltage sensed across a 0.1 Ohm 5 Watt power resistor.  :-[
I can provide larger images of any particular wave form if any one want's it.

DOH !! I made another mistake with the scope the Math trace is still set to A + B from some differential measurements I tried
earlier.
.
P.S. Top right hand shot shows "475 Watts of in phase power" in the tank, the input was 12.4 volts at 0.3 Amps = 3.72 Watts in.
So just say 3.8 Watts input. 475 Watts divided by 3.8 Watts = '125 x OU in VARS'.  ;)  ::)

I wonder if I can double that to 250 x the input power. OU in VARs pffft.

Actually with no load the tank activity capable on each side will be enormous, but the input will go to around 20 Watts I'll wager.
.

Umm, anyone want a look at the lamp power ? Or should I not even look just in case it shows 10 Watts or something. rofl. It's a
10 Watt Lamp anyway, not good enough.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 18, 2014, 05:01:21 PM
There is an update from Canada from four days ago on the money page:

http://www.gofundme.com/qegac-quantum-energy-gen (http://www.gofundme.com/qegac-quantum-energy-gen)

I note they have raised $2015 out of $8000.  Even though they are "out of pocket, " when it doesn't work I think that they should return all of the donated money back to the contributors such that they are even more out of pocket.

We will *hopefully* see what happens.  There might be a boat in a marina somewhere in Montreal that needs a new anchor.

If any of the "Canada" team is reading this.  Consider this suggestion.... Buy the damn parts yourself.  <Gasp> such shocking words!  Did he just suggest to do what people have been doing for thousands of years, and actually spend money?  Yes I Did.

Should not have taken 3 months for a team of engineers to accumulate a few grand of their own money.

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I am involved in a global movement to bring quantum energy to the world.
  This should be interpreted as: I am involved in a scam to siphon donations from the world.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 18, 2014, 05:54:33 PM
FH:
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Seems the V and I phases are almost "in phase", how can that be ? Isn't reactive power "out of phase" ? Even in a tank ?


Not sure what current probe you are using but:

"The output voltage of the Rogowski coil is equal to the derivative of the instantaneous primary current. In
the case of a sinusoidal primary current this voltage output is 90 degrees out of phase with the primary current"

http://www.dynamp.com/ldadocum.nsf/c2270fbdd892ac3e86256e75000ad88a/e710af6d3e0f6255862565d7004b19db/$FILE/Report.pdf

Hope this helps!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 18, 2014, 06:34:41 PM
Well I don't have any non inductive resistors as yet so I'm still using a 5 Watt power resistor of 0.1 Ohms resistance, I try to
measure it's inductance with my meter but my meter doesn't have low enough resolution 2 mH lowest setting with three decimal
places so it should read in single uH and it does down to a few uH. Surely that cannot cause a 90 degree phase shift.

The secondary voltage probably is 90 degrees out of phase with the primary current. But the tank itself at resonance. What
should the phase relationship between the voltage and current be nearest ?

Does anyone else think it's odd that in the scope shot of the left tank the harmonic oscillations show more current during the
lower voltage free ringing cycle than during the higher voltage driven cycle ? Would that be because the free ringing cycle in
the left tank is 90 degrees out of phase to the right hand driven phase and 90 degrees out of phase to the fundamental or
the primary frequency and so no back emf comes from them to restrict it or something ?

I'll try not to ruin anything and get some load shots with the scope set properly this time.
I'll get the current voltage phase and power before any HF light activity, during the first HF light activity before enough power
is applied to "strike" the tube into full conduction, and during full conduction to try to get roughly the load power resulting from
the 3.8 Watts input.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 18, 2014, 07:37:13 PM
Maybe this looks better, Bottom right is the tank traces when the fluro is in full conduction mode. The rest are the fluro scoped in the
same way just the voltage is sensed across a 0.1 Ohm resistor in series with the load to determine the current rather than the
tank, both resistors are connected to the ground reference point. Don't ask me to even estimate roughly the load power going by
the wave forms.  :-\

Just doing the sums based on the scope measurements it works out to about 11.4 Watts load power with 3.8 Watts input.

That's cop = 3.0 or three times OU. Real in to out figures. Can it be that far off ? Yay anyway. The right hand top shot shows
that the bulb was lit with HF and substantial current at 90 degrees shift between voltage and current. So no load power but
light was emitted. yay again.

Now I will definitely have to buy the good CSR's. What load resistance should I use because that is the load voltage I want
around about and some either way as well.

I should make a video for a go fund me for better equipment. I've got better evidence than the QEG mob for real OU. And with a
legit Tesla inspired "replication" too.  ;) Just need to pretty up the primary and some other stuff.

Don't forget folks that's just one side of the output tuned and used, the other side idled at minimum activity.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 18, 2014, 11:36:49 PM
@Farmhand
Does your oscilloscope has a function for integrate the power trace?
Otherwise, it's possible to calculate the power from your scope pictures, but it's low and time consuming because on must count the pixels between the time axes and the power blue trace!
An other possibility is to save your traces from your scope in a text file and import this file in excel (for example) to integrate and get the power.
Can you do that and publish the data?
Thank you,
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 18, 2014, 11:52:22 PM
Hi Isim, I can save different types of files from the scope CSV, WFM, and spreadsheet data as well but I might need to connect to
the computer for that. I will do it shortly. Not busy today as yet.

Will CSV do the job or do I need the text file from the computer ?

Here's a video where I performed more or less the same experiment and show stuff. I'm not making any claims because I know
the measurements are not yet as accurate as they could be. The color coding on the drawing does not match the traces as you
will have noticed, don't know what I was thinking if at all.

Theoretically for 10 Watts input the current should have remained at 0.82 A, but it didn't. Light seemed to stay the same or improve.

Video clip shows input behavior, wave forms, the Lamp and setup ect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFOHk_0IDZg

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 19, 2014, 12:34:14 AM
@FarmLand
CSV it's OK.

I will look your post tomorow, it's to late for me now...
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 19, 2014, 01:08:37 AM
Some more Canadian bacon tidbits:

https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC/timeline?ref=page_internal (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC/timeline?ref=page_internal)

From July 23rd, 2014:

<<<
Greetings fellow Qeggers!  My name is Kevin Blundell and I will be making regular posts here to update you on the latest QEG news.  Here is the first installment.
 
 The Montreal winding machine is now completed and we will begin winding Friday.  All is in place and I would like to send out a big thank you to Daniel Cool for taking the time to build the winder for us.  He is an angel!
 
 As well, a second core will be wound in Toronto and will be ready in two weeks time. when it is ready it will come back to Montreal to be put into the QEG there.  The two cores will be wound differently and this is being controlled by the international research group.
 
 Sooooo... we are getting very close now.  The international research group is in charge of the build in Montreal and will be in contact during the build via Skype.
 
 In a couple of weeks everyone is going to see more news about the QEG.  Also, three cores are being put together in Hong Kong right now... they are connected to QEG Canada.
 
 When the time comes, I will travel to Montreal and over see the build and will video aspects of it.   As well, we will be using the transverter and other things that the international research team suggest to get us to self looping and over unity.  We are almost there and exciting times are ahead.
 
 We are still very much in R and D mode.  The very good news is that all of the engineers agree that the QEG will work and that the answers to get it to over unity are within our grasp.  With each build we get a little closer to that goal.  Keep your fingers crossed and please send light and love to this project.  When you think on the QEG, visualize it working.  Pray and meditate on this... be positive and help bring that energy to this project please.  It will indeed help.
>>>

It's going to be a rough and disappointing ride for the Canuks!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 19, 2014, 01:23:06 AM
My comment on Kevin Blondell's YouTube channel before I click the "post" button:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Kevin, from your Facebook on July 27th:

<<<We are still very much in R and D mode. The very good news is that all of the engineers agree that the QEG will work and that the answers to get it to over unity are within our grasp. With each build we get a little closer to that goal. Keep your fingers crossed and please send light and love to this project. When you think on the QEG, visualize it working. Pray and meditate on this... be positive and help bring that energy to this project please. It will indeed help.>>>

Like I said, I was an engineer too and I am telling you that you are going to be so disappointed when this whole thing implodes on you.  It's really a shame.

As far as the "engineers" you refer to go, I have a small favour to ask of you.  After the big disappointment ask each one individually what qualifications that they have to call themselves "engineers."  Don't be surprised if they are "self-named" engineers with no formal education in engineering and no membership in organizations like the IEEE or the OIQ.

http://www.ieee.org/index.html
http://www.oiq.qc.ca/pages/accueil.aspx?lang=en

Don't be surprised if the vast majority of them are imposters that are unlawfully calling themselves engineers.  For example, Jamie is no engineer, I can assure you of that.  Any alleged "engineer" that agrees that the QEG should work deserves a virtual bitch-slapping.  That's a comment coming from a person that was once a REAL engineer that can see through the "feel good" smoke screen and is able to evaluate the technology on its merits (or lack thereof) alone.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 19, 2014, 01:38:51 AM
Isim, I have the text files, but I have no idea what to do with them.  :-[ Is it complicated ? txt files attached.
The input dropped while I was working out how to do it on the computer and I forgot to bump it up but it's pretty close to 300 mA
input by the power supply at 12.3 volts. The spike is so big the screen won't accommodate it with the current wave at any
reasonable amplitude. If the files are wrong or no good let me know.  :)

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 19, 2014, 01:51:28 AM
Farmhand:

I may help to bootstrap you.   I have Excel 2000, which is old but still perfectly useful.  I simply copied and pasted one of your text files into an Excel spreadsheet.  The text was recognized as numbers and not plain text by the spreadsheet.   So that is the first step.  If you know how to drive Excel then you can plot the data, measure energy, do curve fitting, just about anything.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 19, 2014, 02:01:48 AM
I'm a metal fabricator I've never used Excel. Never had a need before. But I have microsoft works on this laptop, or I could get
what I need if I can work out how to "drive" the program. I've got zero experience there.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 19, 2014, 02:29:35 AM
Farmhand:

Here is a link for free Microsoft Office equivalents:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/2010005/5-free-open-source-alternatives-to-microsoft-office.html

Let's assume that each one includes a spreadsheet program that's equivalent to Excel.  Most or all of them should be able to read Excel files.  A cautionary note is that there are Excel 2013 and beyond spreadsheets and older format spreadsheets.

I am not sure what you want to do.  For example, you might have a voltage vs. time file that represents voltage.   You might have another voltage vs. time file that represents current.  Obviously the CSR voltage values have to be converted into actual current values by multiplying by a conversion factor.

To calculate instantaneous power values and to accumulate those values so that you can calculate energy over a cycle or average power is a very trivial thing to do with a spreadsheet.   If you are a more advanced user you can do curve fitting to smoothen out the sampled data and then you can calculate the time differential data on the smooth curve to do differentiation and integration and so on.

A classic example would be to make a sensor coil to measure flux changes in a transformer winding.  Then with your spreadsheet you could do curve fitting and then integration to plot the actual flux vs. time going through the transformer winding.

A great place to start would be on YouTube with a search on something like "Excel basics" or "Introduction to Excel."  If you put your mind to it you should be getting results relatively soon.

As an example, with Excel (or equivalent) you can add up a long column of numbers with nothing more than a few mouse clicks and a mouse drag/select operation.  It makes you wonder how the world got along before spreadsheets.

Yet another challenge!

For myself personally I can only do basic spreadsheets with simple formulas and stuff like adding columns of numbers.  That's all I really need.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 19, 2014, 10:14:01 AM
There are people who are expert spreadsheet users who may be able to help. I'm a "basic" user and I think that spreadsheets are what make computers into real computers. But.... send a message to Redmond:

Forget MicroShaft! Use LibreOffice Calc, a fully functional fully compatible free and opensource spreadsheet.  That also comes along with the rest of "Office" too, like a word processor like Word, a presentation manager like PowerPoint, and etc.

If you are familiar with Exel, you will fit into Calc seamlessly. If you are new to spreadsheets _do not waste time and money_ on Microsoft! Start right away with Calc.

http://www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-fresh/

While this is primarily a Linux system they also have Mac and Windows ports available at the download site.

It is easy to import CSV or other kinds of saved data files into the spreadsheet for analysis.

Here's an example spreadsheet using Calc that I made for the Ainslie thermal efficiency runs: (You will have to unzip it as the forum won't allow .ods type files)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 19, 2014, 10:14:07 AM
@Farmhand
Good, I will do the calculus for you this evening (for me). But is the problem is what you can not scale down the big spîke(" The spike is so big the screen won't accommodate it with the current wave at any reasonable amplitude"). Because this spike is (I think) the amorcage current of your fluorescent tube. Also, to have a good measurement of the spike (pulse), you absolutely need of a purely resistive CSR...
Edit: For the graph:    Yellow = Current * 1000  with (CSR=0.1ohm and inductance=?)
                           and   Blue = InstantPower * 2
  to get visible trace on the same graph...
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 19, 2014, 12:07:30 PM
Yes definitely isim don't go to too much effort, this is just a test to see if there is efficiency or not, just to get an idea whats
probably going on and I can choose and buy/find the correct loading resistors and CSR's for better testing.

I think it could be possible that there could be a fair amount of displacement current going on as well due to the frequency and

I still need to decide and set up with all correct ground reference and scope isolation to rule out any ground loop situation as
much as is possible with such a setup. Thank you very much isim. Looking at the wave form again I can't believe the scope
could get a proper phase angle for that wave shape and display it. But real loads are not all purely resistive. Would be good
to be able to get better accuracy with odd shaped waves.

Tinsel, I found I already have Open Office, But I've got plenty of HDD space so I'll try Libre, not too confident that I'll get the
hang of it quickly though. Like with The Gimp I gotta learn what I need as I need it, there is so much to it.

Anyway, while I await parts for further testing I can see what happens when I put the two secondaries in series with one tuned
to 420 kHz and one tuned to 840 kHz. I can also get a Lissajous pattern with the two frequencies separate. Maybe I can find
some reasonable load resistors in the parts pile. I've got about 10 roller door motor units yet to strip for motor run capacitors,
one had a 24 volt DC motor in it and a transformer. Most are small "split phase" induction motors. Busy tomorrow.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 19, 2014, 02:01:50 PM
@Farmland

"Yes definitely isim don't go to too much effort,..."
No problem; It's a pleasure to help somebody full of good will!
Here is the power from your capture scope:
For the full conduction i got 0.5W (blue curve) . Don't forget the CSR is (maybe) inductive.
With 12.3Vdc et 0.300A as input,
          Pout=3.69W, the efficiency is very low, but for me it's normal.
I am curious to know wich fluorescent tube you use and also can you confirme that you connect this tube between the GND and the output phase 2...

Excel, or all free programs like this one, are excellent to do calculus. It's very easy to get the power from voltage and current log of your scope, do only voltage and current multiplication of each line for the instant power;  then there is a built in function to calculate the power on one period (MEAN(instant power of one period of the voltage or currant)). You can even plot the curve easily.  I will try to find a tutorial for you( in english).
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 19, 2014, 06:49:27 PM
Hi isim, The fluro tube is a 300 mm F10T8CW = 10 watt - type T8 - cool white. And yes it was connected between the grounded
end of the secondary and the right hand phase 2, yes definitely.

Thank you isim .

Well if power out = 0.5 Watts then there is a problem, does the video look like 0.5 watts powering the fluro tube ? Not to me.

If I can get that light with 0.5 watts power consumed by the lamp then that is incredible. The input is irrelevant if we just look
at the light produced and the calculated consumed power things do not add up.  :) So either there is a miracle going on and
3.2 watts of the input is wasted while the fluro is lit brightly by 0.5 watts. Or the output of the odd shaped waveform cannot
be measured accurately by my scope captures. That 0.5 Watts doesn't make much sense to me.
Did you watch the video of the circuit behavior and the input and the light ? Whats your opinion ?

If the output to the fluro cannot be calculated then we just cannot say what the efficiency actually is. 0.5 Watts is not right
it can't be. So I'm not bothered at all. Definitely not OU but it shows how difficult it is to accurately measure the power from
an odd shaped current wave form. That's a win for one.

The problem is that I can't get an accurate current wave form as yet I think.

So does the output tank look as though it gives and takes or just gives ? How much does it give and to what ?
There is that to look at.

Anyway I'll get some resistors and measure a resistive load so I have all sine waves.

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P.S. When I look at the wave form zoomed, it does look like the majority of the current is "out of phase' except for the spike.
It looks like a sine wave until the peak at almost 90 degrees then just after is the spike, the spike goes negative from
the positive side of the Zero crossing just after the sine peak and just after 90 degrees. So The consumed power you
calculated seems it could be correct and accurate, and probably a bit less even than is calculated without the CSR
inductance taken into account. Wow.  Kinda makes sense because the primary is DC and no power can be input on the
second half of the cycle- hence the current sine below the line for the second half of the cycle is more distorted.
Kinda does the opposite of the SERPS setup.
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EDIT: CLICK !! I think I just got it, I'll arrange some scope shot sections from tank and load to try to show where I think the
power goes and how it seems the load uses only 0.5 Watt of power and how the load is powered.
This might help explain how the reactive device OU claimed by some is actually still coming from the grid. Maybe. I'll be back.
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Basically the tube itself is the capacitor in this case and discharges it's charge at the beginning of the second half of the cycle.
That upsets the power calculations. The first half power trace is almost symmetrical and the second half is almost all positive.

And ... If I had an AC primary driver circuit then that spike would not appear I don't think, but the lamp would still light up brightly.
Power would then be symmetrical. Wow again. I need to test that.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 19, 2014, 10:26:18 PM
All this reactive power stuff is becoming a real interesting subject. if we look back to the post linked below we see the top left
shot is the fluro traces, and the bottom right shot is the tank traces feeding it.
http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg414843/#msg414843

Volt x amps in the tank is 84.8 x .922 = 78.18 VA and power factor is (192 cosine) = -0.978,
so 78.18 VA x 0.978 PF = 76.46 VAR.
So 78.14 VA - 76.14 VAR = 1.72 Watts missing from the tank.
With 3.8 Watts to run the AC generator
and a load power of 0.5 W

while the fluro is struck, lit up and conducting out of phase current as well as receiving a spike of positive power and some.

The 3.8 Watts input minus the 1.72 Watts missing from the tank = 2.08 Watts generating losses running the tank at 78.18 VA.
The 0.5 Watts output divided by the 1.72 Watts missing from the tank = 0.29 or 30% efficiency.
But the light is lighting like it's powered by almost 10 Watts = doesn't add up.
  ;D

Very interesting.

My setup includes the cost of generating the HF AC power from stored potential "energy". We could think of the
output tank as the grid wall outlet.  ;D And the primary circuit as the HF AC generator, with the DC as the fuel
.

A complete system to analyze.

The QEG mob and the other reactive power OU claimants plug in to the grid, which is equivalent to the output of my tank.
They don't take into account the cost of generating the AC in the first place from the stored energy. But they get billed for
the costs in their bill. That's cheating. That cost should be included in the efficiency of running the device.

I can simply use a battery for the 12 volt supply. And charged by a solar system as well. Our grid power is free as well
since our solar array feeds my power supply. Suck it up claimants and include the real costs of running the devices.
Calculate it out or generate your own AC power from stored energy.
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EDIT: I need to clear up some things on how I confused some people unintentionally,  :-[

1) In the video I show the drawing but I indicate I'm going to scope the tank current when I actually scoped the current out of the
tank to the load. The other two resistors on the board to the left of the right variable cap are for scoping the tank currents.
I moved the reference grounds so as to scope the load to a different spot, but "electrically" the same reference point.

2)On the drawing I use color coding with yellow for the current probe placement, when on the scope the current trace is actually
the blue trace, and on the drawing I use red to show where the voltage is scoped and the voltage trace on the scope is actually
the yellow trace.  :) Power is the purple trace "V2", the "shown value is divided by 0.1" to get VA.

Video clip of the test referred to. The shots are from a previous test but the values are pretty much the same.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFOHk_0IDZg

I hope I got all that right.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 19, 2014, 11:59:49 PM
@Farmland « Reply #2356 on: Today at 06:49:27 PM »
I need a little reflexion about your circuit and the fluorescent tube. May be I can find a spice model for the tube and simulate your circuit. You will never have a sinusoidal current with a load like this, because a fluorescent tube is a highly not linear device. you need high voltage to initiates the fluorescent tube then the voltage goes down to something like 30V.
 - So I don't understand why you have a sinusoidal voltage on the output 2. This is my main problem!

"
Basically the tube itself is the capacitor in this case and discharges it's charge at the beginning of the second half of the cycle.
That upsets the power calculations. The first half power trace is almost symmetrical and the second half is almost all positive.
"
 - I don't think so, when the power is "active" the power trace is mainly disymetric. So in the first half trace have only "reactive power and only the second half is "active"

"
And ... If I had an AC primary driver circuit then that spike would not appear I don't think, but the lamp would still light up brightly.
Power would then be symmetrical. Wow again. I need to test that.
"
 - If the  power trace is symmetrical with GND, the power is "reactive", no real power.
For an example, look at the curves:

 Voltage: yellow
 Current: blue
 Power: purple
1) phase shift = 0° degre
2) phase shift = 45° degre
3) phase shift = 90° degre


Excuse me but I will study your last post tomorow, its already to late for me! :)
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 20, 2014, 12:22:16 AM
Yeah ok, fair enough, but how does the fluro give off so much light with 0.5 Watts power consumption ? Even if it was consuming
the entire 3.8 watts I think it was still too bright for that input power from the supply. The V x A in the tank is either almost all
active or almost all reactive. But there is real power there in the "Watts range", I think, gone from the tank.

The tank does remain having sine waves but the current trace gets jagged when the fluorescent lights "in any way", so the light
output has a reflection to the tank current. It doesn't distort the tank current or voltage trace because the oscillating power
is so much more in magnitude than the load power I think, If I load the tank with a large capacitor or an inductive load then
the trace can be distorted if the inductive load is not tuned to the tank.  ;)
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Resonant rise.
With 12.3 volts input I have 85 volts across the load.
Primary turns = 8
Secondary turns = 40
Transformation ratio = 1:5

EDIT: Coupling is not 1  :D, but I do not know what is, the distance between primary ends and secondary bottoms is
about 12 to 15 mm. End to end coupling distance 12 to 15 mm. I estimate 0.2 to 0.3 "k" to each side, maybe a bit more.


12.3 volts x 5 = 61.5
85v minus 61.5v = 23.4 volts resonant rise still on the secondary tank and load.

The resonant rise is what "strikes" the fluro and the declining Q diminishes V to an equilibrium with the load and input.
The different factors determine if there is resonant rise left applied to the tank and the load or not.
.
The primary reflecting capacitor gets charged to over 40 volts each cycle and that calculates to 7.4 joules per second is put
on the primary "reflecting" capacitor that's across the switch somehow. Exactly double the input. Should be the other way round.
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It's bizarro world today, everything is back to front and upside down.
.

P.S. Isim if there is more any information/data at all that I can provide to help with a simulation just say and I'll get it as quick as
possible, due to our time differences I need to make an effort to be "in time" for you.

Circuit values measured -
The drawing shows the secondary coils have 112 uH but they turned out to be 119 uH each measured. 1 mm Magnet wire. 40 tuns.
The frequency is now around 420 Khz.
The measured capacitance for resonance with the fluro load in place is 957 pF. Parallel plate air variable capacitor 1350 pF max.
 
Values by estimation and logic.  ;D
Calculator says 119 uH should need 1207 pF for resonance at 420 kHz.
so inter-winding capacitance must be between 200 to 300 pF I estimate. 
The primary inductance now that I've spaced the primary turns does not read on my meter.  :( 2 x 1 mm wire in parallel 8 turns.
The primary switch has a 20 nF capacitor across it and it seems fairly close to resonance so primary should be
in the 5 to 7 uH range.
Fluorescent Lamp is a - F10T8CW also has 40H written on it. Info sheet attached.

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Coils are all clock wise wound and I'm using the secondary coil at the mosfet drain side of the primary coil.
.
This attached saved  and zipped web page of a solid state Tesla coil calculator models my transformers input power and
output voltage from one side with the fluro load fairly well.

Solid State Tesla coil calculator
http://www.extremeelectronics.co.uk/calcs/index.php?page=sstc_calc.php
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 20, 2014, 02:07:03 PM
These any good for CSR's ? The shunt is a 75 mV one. The other ones come from KillaWatt meters.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 20, 2014, 02:30:03 PM
The only limitation is the inductance.  The 75mV shunt has lots of inductance and shouldn't be used above mains frequency.  The smaller shunts fro the Kill-a-Watt will be better but depending on their values will probably distort in the high audio range.  The Ohmite WNE's are only about $1.00 each from Digikey and the 0.5 Ohm and 1Ohm will both easily be accurate at 1MHz.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 20, 2014, 03:46:17 PM
OK no probs, I'm ordering some tomorrow anyway, just curious, those are measuring 0.1 Ohms. I can look with the scope and
see if there is a difference between the power resistors I was using and these from the killaWatt meters.

It's not the price of the resistors Mark it's the postage, I'll have to spend an hour tonight listing all the other parts I want as well.

Now will a Lux meter tell me if a lamp is giving off more light ? Or will it only tell me the brightness, not the amount ? I'll probably
just make one of TK's light meters. I'll need parts for that.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 20, 2014, 03:49:24 PM
OK no probs, I'm ordering some tomorrow anyway, just curious, those are measuring 0.1 Ohms. I can look with the scope and
see if there is a difference between the power resistors I was using and these from the killaWatt meters.

It's not the price of the resistors Mark it's the postage, I'll have to spend an hour tonight listing all the other parts I want as well.

Now will a Lux meter tell me if a lamp is giving off more light ? Or will it only tell me the brightness, not the amount ? I'll probably
just make one of TK's light meters. I'll need parts for that.

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Small packages from Digikey cost about $11.00 postage if sent by US Priority mail to anywhere in the USA.  The cheapest FedEx and UPS options are about $21.00.

LUX meters report intensity in LUX.  To get total light, you have to measure in all directions around the source and integrate.  The $10. digital photometers on eBay aren't bad.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 20, 2014, 04:00:05 PM
I'm in Australia, it cost me over 30 Dollars last order. But it's ok I'll get some stuff.
Thanks.


P.S. Mark can you please check back here for questions while you can, about components ?

What would be the best mosfets and mosfet driver chips to use for switching up to 24 volts in a setup like this at 840 khz or
1 Mhz tops ?
I ask because the TC 4420 gets hot driving a mosfet at 1 mHz and the power consumption for the switching alone seems
very high. At 840 kHz the driver chip is not too bad but at 1200 kHz it gets quite warm "touchy". I'm using an IRF740 but
the only others I have is one IRF540 some IRF840's And some lower voltage IRF1010's.
I've got some Si7478DP-T1-E3 mosfets but they're only 60 Volt parts. Just wondering if you had a suggestion, maybe some
new line of part or something interesting.

Digikey's postage is very fast so holding back won't hurt. I'll order tomorrow after midday.

2) Capacitors for the primary what are the very best capacitors I could use for the primary capacitance ? I'll need them to take
similar voltages to the mosfets I guess. That's an important one the ones I'm using now do get a bit warm.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 20, 2014, 06:25:14 PM
I'm in Australia, it cost me over 30 Dollars last order. But it's ok I'll get some stuff.
Thanks.


P.S. Mark can you please check back here for questions while you can, about components ?

What would be the best mosfets and mosfet driver chips to use for switching up to 24 volts in a setup like this at 840 khz or
1 Mhz tops ?
That really depends on the load.  You want the lowest gate charge that you can find that will still yield an acceptable on state resistance.  I would get a good feel for the maximum voltage with transients and then start searching MOSFETs from the voltage and up for the lowest total gate charge at the gate drive voltage of interest.  The gate charge is what is making your drivers hot. Slow rise and fall times that result from the charge and perhaps layout issues is what is making your MOSFETs hot.  At 1MHz and above hard switching losses can be quite a problem.  Resonant and quasi-resonant topologies are more complicated, but those that switch at zero voltage really cut down on the switching losses.
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I ask because the TC 4420 gets hot driving a mosfet at 1 mHz and the power consumption for the switching alone seems
very high. At 840 kHz the driver chip is not too bad but at 1200 kHz it gets quite warm "touchy". I'm using an IRF740 but
the only others I have is one IRF540 some IRF840's And some lower voltage IRF1010's.
I've got some Si7478DP-T1-E3 mosfets but they're only 60 Volt parts. Just wondering if you had a suggestion, maybe some
new line of part or something interesting.

Digikey's postage is very fast so holding back won't hurt. I'll order tomorrow after midday.

2) Capacitors for the primary what are the very best capacitors I could use for the primary capacitance ? I'll need them to take
similar voltages to the mosfets I guess. That's an important one the ones I'm using now do get a bit warm.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 20, 2014, 06:41:20 PM
My IRF740 mosfet doesn't get hot, there's only 1 amp or a bit more max so far but I run it for a long time at 0.5 amp and it stays
only just above ambient, only the mosfet driver got very warm when I was running this circuit at over 1 mHz on a previous occasion.

I would think I could get better mosfets to take about 200 volts or so than IRF740's, with only 12 or so volts input the drain only
sees about 45 volts max no spikes that I've seen. Loading the secondary just causes more current, the wave shape stays almost
the same. 100 volt mosfets would be enough for just 12 volts input but I want to be able to use 24v I guess I should just keep
using the IRF740. It's working well enough. Was thinking of lower resistance. The coils have very low resistance and so high Q
if I use too high a resitance value for the CSR the Q will drop more, I guess with loads that won't be an issue at all. I need a decent size trace without going to 50 and 20 mV per division and still have a small trace.

Here's a better scope shot of the fluro wave forms.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 20, 2014, 06:59:02 PM
STP19NF20 is a 200V part has a maximum gate charge of 24nC compared to 63nC for the IRF740.  It has an on state resistance of 0.16 Ohms @ 10V drive versus 0.55 Ohms for the IRF740.  So it should cut the driver losses by almost 2/3s, and run cooler itself.

You can cut the gate charge in half again if you are willing to use 150V rated parts:  IPP530N15N3 G.  Gate charge on those is just 12nC which would reduce the driver work load by more than 80%.  The on resistance is under 100mOhms.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: e2matrix on August 20, 2014, 07:07:04 PM
OK no probs, I'm ordering some tomorrow anyway, just curious, those are measuring 0.1 Ohms. I can look with the scope and
see if there is a difference between the power resistors I was using and these from the killaWatt meters.

It's not the price of the resistors Mark it's the postage, I'll have to spend an hour tonight listing all the other parts I want as well.

Now will a Lux meter tell me if a lamp is giving off more light ? Or will it only tell me the brightness, not the amount ? I'll probably
just make one of TK's light meters. I'll need parts for that.

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Farmhand,   If you have an Android Smartphone with a light sensor (most of them do to help auto adjust screen brightness) just grab this program of the google play store (free) Androsens (  https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.tritop.androsense2  )  and it will tell you the exact Lux reading from a light source.   As long as you keep the same distance and angle (I suggest about 2 feet) you can easily compare brightness levels.   The human eye needs nearly twice the Lux reading to even detect a noticeable difference in brightness so when using lights as any sort of measure you really need a way to know the actual output and this will work fairly well.   Short of creating a light integrating sphere (a fairly complex job) this is a good way to know your light output. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 20, 2014, 07:44:21 PM
Funny, as it happens I was fair dinkum planning to buy this Blackview-JK890-Android phone this week. I decide it was time to get
a smart phone to replace several devices for most applications, my old Motorola Razr flip phone still works like a charm, but it's
about 8 years old now I think. I'll be keeping it working and getting a new sim for the unlocked phone with a different carrier.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Big-5-5-IPS-Dual-Core-SIM-Android-4-2-3G-GPS-Mobile-Phone-Smartphone-Unlocked-/161386679896?pt=AU_Mobile_Phones&hash=item2593654e58

That phone doesn't have a light sensor by the looks of it. I would love any suggestions for a better phone about the same price
or cheaper preferably. I want the bigger type screen though, nothing smaller than 5".


Thanks.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 20, 2014, 09:18:14 PM
My IRF740 mosfet doesn't get hot,
...
...
Here's a better scope shot of the fluro wave forms.
Hi, Farmland!
Well, I am searching a good SPICE model to simulate your circuit. And it is not easy to find a good model wich work at frequency near 200KHz. I need this because there is a great difference in function of the operating frequency and the power of the fluorescent Lamp.
In the mean time may be you have the scope log(CSV file) for the " better scope shot of the fluro wave forms" you juste get!
It may be interesting to compare it with the previous!
Thanks
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 20, 2014, 10:10:03 PM
yeah no problem, I think this is it attached. I'll find a tutorial and get myself trained sooner or later. I need to label well any files
I want to keep.
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I just lit up a 4 foot fluro tube using both sides and it struck up well but it's not quite at the same brightness as the one powered
by the grid in the hut here. Maybe an AC primary circuit will make 1 spike each half cycle and light the tubes better, using only one
secondary causes the tube to be lit from only one end due to the DC primary circuit and the only 1 spike per full cycle. But using
both secondaries the 4' tube strikes real easy. Input was exactly double the input for the single 1 foot tube lit from one
secondary. I need to use a voltage booster on the primary of some kind, to adjust the primary voltage to the load as well.

Adjusting the tuning of the separate sides before full conduction makes those funny looking dark rings go from the sides to the
middle or stand still or one can move and the other stand still, depends on adjustment, curious but that's all.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 20, 2014, 10:40:12 PM
Thanks guys, for all the tips, I've found a light meter that reads in Lux and Foot Candles and has a laser pointer so it can be put
in the same place repeatedly, just a cheap one but will do for comparisons to gauge improvements for the same Lamp or not ect.

Not wanting anything "official". Can't afford it. It's a red one so it should be fast enough to catch the light.  ;)
New "smart" phone should allow me to get short video's and pictures quickly and easily, wifi as well which could be handy in
the future. Whats a free energy device if we can't turn it on with an Android phone ! screw Apple, and MicroHarsh.  >:(

Might even get one of those "micro computer systems", the tiny ones.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 20, 2014, 11:55:24 PM
@Farmhand
The power calculated from "betterfluroshot" is near 1.5W
This, with CSR=0.1ohm and CH1, CH2 in volt,
so Power=Vch1 * Vch2/CSR  in Watt.
I take the means on one periode.
I think I found a spice model from  https://initkms.ru/umk/etf/d/A_dynamic_pspice_model_for_high-frequency_fluorescent...%28Tao_F.,_etc.%29.pdf
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 21, 2014, 04:00:30 AM
Farmhand:

Here is an easy way to measure/compare light output.  Take a solar cell and place it in a fixed position from your light.  Measure the output voltage and then you have a good baseline.  Try another circuit and then, using the same light, at the same distance, measure the output voltage and...there you have it.  Actually, this method is only good for comparing light output and is not really a measurement, but, it is very accurate and, as long as the tests are done in the same place with the same amount of ambient light, you get real, hard numbers.  Obviously solar cells respond better to some wavelengths over others but you can get around this by using the same set-up for all tests.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 21, 2014, 08:34:28 AM
@Farmhand
In fact, as your tube is in // with -1 the capacitor -2 the inductance in series with the CSR
The current you measure is only the inductance current!
The Tube current is different. So put the CSR in serial with the load. I think that in your circuit, and because you only have one spike current by period, the tube is like a diode and with the capacitor and is in continuous conduction, (with it anode always on the same extremity) !
So to test this hypothesis and have the current in the lamp, it would be necessary to place the CSR in serial with the load with one connection to GND, and a DC connection with the oscilloscope...
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 09:37:17 AM
@Farmhand
In fact, as your tube is in // with -1 the capacitor -2 the inductance in series with the CSR
The current you measure is only the inductance current!
The Tube current is different. So put the CSR in serial with the load. I think that in your circuit, and because you only have one spike current by period, the tube is like a diode and with the capacitor and is in continuous conduction, (with it anode always on the same extremity) !
So to test this hypothesis and have the current in the lamp, it would be necessary to place the CSR in serial with the load with one connection to GND, and a DC connection with the oscilloscope...
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The 0.1 Ohms resistor is in series with the load "outside the tank" The load waveforms are a lot different to the tank wave forms.

I'll make a more proper measurement drawing of how I got the wave forms, I use three CSR's one for sensing the current in
each tank and one for sensing the current from the resonant tank to the load. SO to get the tank and the load (fluro) traces I
used two different CSR's one inside the tank circuit and one inside the load circuit.
The tank current is about 900 mA and there is about 75 VA or more in the tank. The tank power and the load power are related
but very different. many magnitudes different.

My bad, I assumed everyone would just know what I was doing.
.
Sorry for the bold but I can't work out how to do "italics" here.
P.S. Here is how I got the traces, and can again, the color coded dot's match the scope connections in this drawing.

Green = grounds
Yellow = Voltage
Blue = Current sense points, one for tank current "Rs2" and one for load current Rs3.
I just move the blue probe between the sense points Rs2 and Rs3 to get a value for the tank current and for the load current sense.

The sine wave current trace through the load must be displacement current through the tube capacitance or stray inductance
in the leads. My bet is a bit of both.  :)

Umm, is it possible to calculate the total VA to the tube or in the load circuit ?
I've only got two probes so I can only use one current sense point at a time. I don't invert during the measurement, I just
move the probe.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 10:47:43 AM
Here's another way to look at the load circuit configuration. No one mention Mr D Smith pleeeaasse !
Basically the tube can be a very lossy transmission medium, another load could be connected between
the fluorescent tube and the ground using the ground as a return. SWER. So the fluro current can be
measured that way as well, if one had the correct equipment.

@ all reactive power OU claimants.

1) The tank is the source of AC power, but the battery supplies the energy.
2) This is where the reactive power OU claimants fall very short !
3) They need to understand that power is not energy and a generator only makes power not energy.
4) The battery supplies the energy which is stored potential energy in some form depending on the battery,
or potential source.
5) The AC generator dissipates energy just to make the AC power available.
6) The energy is transferred from the source of stored potential.
7) The tank is a "tank" as in a storage tank.
.

The power generating facility cannot turn reactive power back into coal then reverse the energy it took to dig the coal up
and burn it to make the heat to generate the power so the reactive device can reverse it.

That's the problem with reactive power.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 11:36:57 AM
This circuit should be able to do something to see if the "currents" before full conduction and/or if the reactive portion
of the tube power can be rectified and consumed. If I test with a small motor when the tube activity seems highest
before full conduction and during full conduction then I should see some result.

Second Schematic-

Similarly I could put a small capacitor in series with the tube and that should shift the phase of the currents.
Shouldn't it ? And improve the "real" power factor.
EDIT: DoH ! the load sense resistor should be below the PFC capacitor.  :-[
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 21, 2014, 11:40:28 AM
The 0.1 Ohms resistor is in series with the load "outside the tank" The load waveforms are a lot different to the tank wave forms.
....
Yes, you got it. As the Voltage and Current are sinusoidal, we can use the formula:
Pload=Vload Rms*Vcsr_rms/CSR=84.8 * 0.0922 * cos (12°)=7,65 W
This same very resonable!
And I think it is...
Look at the power curve, no symetry, the GND is near the peak value of the curve! the CF is cos(12°) = 0.978 ~ 1
Just for the fun, can you send me the CSV file of this mesureament?
I would like to compare it with the simulation.
Here a link on a direct drive of fluorescent lamp:
http://www.ee.bgu.ac.il/~pel/pdf-files/conf79.pdf

PS: I don't think it's a good idea to take a bigger CSR, It value must be very low compared with the others impedances. Otherwise you change the functioning point.

Thanks
@+

Edit: I made an error!
 I forget the CSR, so with CSR=0.1ohm

Pcsr=I²*R=(Vcsr_rms/CSR)²*CSR=Vcsr_rms²/CSR=(0.0922)²/0.1=0.001W, it's nothing.
and
Pload=Vload Rms*Vcsr_rms/CSR=84.8 * 0.0922 * cos (12°) / 0.1 = 76.5 W
with your last measurement file (csv) I got 76.58W.
Is it compatible with your Lamp?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 12:11:46 PM
No, Thank you Isim. You are very kind.  :) I appreciate all the help I can get.

I personally think everything will add up real nice and neat once we take everything into consideration. Hopefully we can do that.

I will get the CSV. But I'll have to do the measurement again, the traces should be very similar. Ta.

For "Real and proper measurements" I would also need to take into account all the ground currents pre existing with a resonant
relationship to my working frequency if the output coils are connected to ground, as well as AC displacement from the grid influence and all kinds if stuff, I imagine. ie. my working frequency is exactly half the radio station frequency. Not that I believe
much power can come from that to this arrangement.  :) Not without a massive capacitive antenna and good Earth ground.
hahaha. on the other secondary of course as a receiver. Power Adder, rofl.  ;D Is that a serpent ?
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 21, 2014, 12:43:53 PM
Erreur, I cancel it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 12:58:39 PM
As i said I had to repeat the experiment and got a variation unfortunately but it's for the better, overall.
I worked out I could get more data depth so I got one max data depth CSV, one displayed data depth CSV and one shot from
the output tank. There is more current this time in the tank and the light is brighter which I can't explain except for power supply
variation or I somehow made a better connection or the tube is hotter or colder or something. Input still said 12.3 volts at 0.3 A
but it could be almost 12.38 or something so I think I should use 12.4 volts x 0.3 Amp for the input = 3.72 Watts input !
Effect of the tube on the tank can be seen.
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P.S. Give me some days until I can get the appropriate CSR's and I'll redo the experiment showing all measurements done at
one time. Hope I can also get the input voltage, current and phase on the primary coil as well but not so concerned with that
unless I can do it all at the same session.
.

Umm, It's been raining so maybe a ground loop is coming into my measurements or something now. or "Clip leads to load grrrrr".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 01:57:18 PM
 ;D Both actors in this could clip represent myself or others.  ;) Some comic relief.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc6Vu-NLu0M

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 21, 2014, 02:04:25 PM
Yes, you got it. As the Voltage and Current are sinusoidal, we can use the formula:
Pload=Vload Rms*Vcsr_rms/CSR=84.8 * 0.0922 * cos (12°)=7,65 W
This same very resonable!
......


No, it is not:)

Edit: I made an error!
 I forget the CSR, so with CSR=0.1ohm
Power in CSR:
Pcsr=I²*R=(Vcsr_rms/CSR)²*CSR=Vcsr_rms²/CSR=(0.0922)²/0.1=0.001W, it's nothing.
and Power in Lamp:
Pload=Vload Rms*Vcsr_rms/CSR=84.8 * 0.0922 * cos (12°) / 0.1 = 76.5 W
with your last measurement file (csv) I got 76.58W.
Is it compatible with your Lamp?
I was supposing it was a 10W fluorescent lamp...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 21, 2014, 02:06:24 PM
No, it is not:)

Edit: I made an error!
 I forget the CSR, so with CSR=0.1ohm
Power in CSR:
Pcsr=I²*R=(Vcsr_rms/CSR)²*CSR=Vcsr_rms²/CSR=(0.0922)²/0.1=0.001W, it's nothing.
and Power in Lamp:
Pload=Vload Rms*Vcsr_rms/CSR=84.8 * 0.0922 * cos (12°) / 0.1 = 76.5 W, with displayed value of the oscilloscope.
with your last measurement file (csv) I got 76.58W, with the log.
Is it compatible with your Lamp?
I was supposing it was a 10W fluorescent lamp...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 02:28:02 PM
That's what makes things a bit complicated Isim, the 76 Watts or so is the oscillating power in the tank because the tank cannot be
consuming all that VA either and the supply can't be supplying it all at once, SO the only logical explanation is that the 76 Watts or
so is oscillating power "in phase" but out of Phase by almost 180 degrees and the difference is the tank and load circuit losses
and the output load power combined I guess in Watts. Which is why it makes no sense the 10 Watt fluro lights up so bright. It
might be Half brightness but definitely not less than that surely. Difficult to show brightness on the camera, it compensates.

The"out" of phase "load" power it sees should be returned to the tank just like a grid connected load with a poor power factor.
But no power can return to the battery only to the primary circuit. As would be analogous with a power generating facility.

Hence why I wanted to experiment with a "complete system".
from Stored Potential = (battery), = (Pile of Coal)
to Prime mover of generator = (Primary coil), = ( Turbine)
to the AC power generator/converter = (The HV Tank)
to the load = Fluro or (whatever is used)
and back to the AC generator = (The HV Tank)  :)

What we won't see is the battery recharged or the Sun or Moon get brighter from power back through the solar panels hehehee.

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I should really use a transformer between the HV Tank and the loads as if I was plugging a transformer into the grid and
measure only the input and output of that transformer and the load power to be doing the same as most reactive power OU claims.
 :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 21, 2014, 02:57:57 PM
Here are some of my thoughts. The tank is just that: a resonant tank that can be pumped up with tiny pulses at its resonant frequency, until it is "full" or carrying as much energy as it can hold. This carrying capacity is determined by the electrical parameters of the tank and the power supply but in all cases it is quite a bit more than the supply itself can supply on a constant basis. Just like pushing a child on a swing, your small pushes timed correctly get stored in the amplitude of the swing. The electrical tank is _resonant by definition_ and in a resonating tank the phase angle is 90 degrees, as we have demonstrated in this thread and in others time and time again. The _voltage_ and the _current_ themselves in the tank are very real. How could there be the strong oscillating magnetic field that allows coupling and real power extraction, were the current not real? How could the current be real without real voltage to push it through the impedance of the inductor? They are both real, it is only the "power" product that is unreal. It is the resonant tank that creates the voltage and current rise: The inductor's impedance causes the voltage to build up before the current flows; when the current is flowing heavily the voltage drops accordingly... lather rinse repeat. So when the tank is resonating, it is causing the 90 degree phase shift by the interplay of inductance and capacitance.
In order to get any usable power out of this, one must couple into the resonance without disturbing it, by the methods Farmhand has been demonstrating.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 04:35:08 PM
But TK how do you explain the voltage and current in my tank being closer to 180 degrees and showing resonant rise on the load ?

Surely the phase shown cannot be that far off of what the phase actually is, almost 70 degrees or more.

I am stating "almost all" when I do.

And in the last setup when tuned to maximum voltage the phase indicated was close to 27 degrees, the voltage declined either
side of maximum tuning and the frequency matches the LC in the resonating L C section, I say that's at resonance. No.

I agree when the voltage and current are out of Phase by 90 degrees the real power is zero.

I've ordered some 0.1 Ohm and 0.5 Ohm CSR's as well as some new primary capacitors and some of those mosfets.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 04:47:00 PM
Is a phase anything outside of zero to 90 degrees impossible ?

For example if we turn the math trace upside down and the phase was 20 degrees rather than 200 degrees then what ?
Is the tank consuming the 70 plus VA ? Nup
Is the load consuming it ? nup
Is it returned to the primary ? I doubt it, maybe some.
Is it returned to the supply ? nup can't FR blocking diode in place.

It's 84 volts and 0.98 A and the phase shows either 200 or 20 degree as far as I can tell. But I have the recommended resistors
ordered and on the way. I will also take whatever other step I need to to get reasonable measurements within my abilities.

I've been mainly joking and sarcastic, I make no claims to any accurate measurements, only demonstration results.

As I wrote, I think everything will add up all neat when everything is taken into account. That is the aim.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 21, 2014, 04:51:33 PM
Hi Farmhand. I don't understand what you are trying to do.
Why do you care what is going on in the secondary tank circuit?
Why not simply measure the power into the primary coil, and the power
being dissipated by the load. What am I missing here? How are you
driving the primary coil?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 05:02:03 PM
Void, Input power is 3.72 Watts, it's from a DC supply, easily measured fairly accurately. Output power is difficult to measure, first
calculation was 0.5 Watts and the second calculation was 1.5 Watts so you tell me.

What is the output power indicated ?

I'm trying to show that "reactive power" cannot power loads. Only real power can power loads. SO far I'm doing great, even
 if no one sees it yet.  :)
.
Here's the basic circuit layout with no load shown.

It's an entire HF generation arrangement from stored potential energy to load for the investigation of reactive power.

I'm also showing where a lot of "reactive OU claimants" are cheating. And the effect it has on the AC generator (Grid) ect.
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And I'm using my own dang money to facilitate it.  ;D What a silly concept that is. I should be using others money shouldn't I ?
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 21, 2014, 05:34:47 PM
Ok, I get you Farmhand. Yes, it can be misleading if people show power measurements
and scope waveform shots of internal transformers and whatever in a circuit, but ultimately all that
is important is proper input power measurements right at the power source, and proper output power
measurements of the power being dissipated by the load. If someone is demonstrating a circuit
and not showing proper input power measurements right at the power source and proper output
power measurements on the load, then IMO there is definitely good reason to be suspicious.
Really that is all anyone would want to measure and demonstrate in regards to claims of
overunity for any given circuit.   If they are not at least showing power measurements at these
points very clearly, then I think there is very good reason to be suspicious. Either they don't
know what they are doing, or they are possibly trying to hide something. Of course all this becomes
not so important if they can simply feedback some of the output power to the input and make
a self runner.

:)




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 05:40:46 PM
Ok, I get you Farmhand. Yes, it can be misleading if people show power measurements
and scope waveform shots of internal transformers and whatever in a circuit, but ultimately all that
is important is proper input power measurements right at the power source, and proper output power
measurements of the power being dissipated by the load. If someone is demonstrating a circuit
and not showing proper input power measurements right at the power source and proper output
power measurements on the load, then IMO there is definitely good reason to be suspicious.
Really that is all anyone would want to measure and demonstrate in regards to claims of
overunity for any given circuit.   If they are not at least showing power measurements at these
points very clearly, then I think there is very good reason to be suspicious. Either they don't
know what they are doing, or they are possibly trying to hide something. All that becomes
unimportant of course if they can simply feedback some of the output power to the input and make
a self runner.

:)

Definitely not, not when the grid and reactive power are involved. No way. To make a valid claim of OU all energy used to create
the output simply has to be taken into account. It must. Anything else is cheating. Simple as that. As I see it.

You cannot use AC power unless you first generate it. So energy expended for the generation of the power must be included.
You cannot generate power without dissipating energy so that energy must also be included. It's all in the electricity bill.
Line fees' or connection cost ect. we get billed for just having the AC at the wall even when we don't use it because it
costs money and energy to generate the power even when none is consumed.

See ?

So you see part of the cost of running grid connected devices is in the bill before you use any power.
I'm factoring in the cost of the generation of the AC.

It doesn't matter what the majority of people say is ok. What matters is the reality of the situation. Isn't it ?

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 21, 2014, 05:47:55 PM
Definitely not, not when the grid and reactive power are involved. No way. To make a valid claim of OU all energy used to create
the output simply has to be taken into account. It must. Anything else is cheating. Simple as that. As I see it.
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No, I don't think it is that complicated man.  ;D If the input to a circuit is being powered
from an AC outlet, and the input to the circuit is showing a power factor less than 1, then you
can simply add some power factor correction components at the input to the circuit and measure
the input power to the circuit just prior to the power factor correction components.
Then you should show the actual power being consumed by the circuit, and you are not putting any reactive
load on the line as well, if you don't trust a power meter to accurately take into account the power factor
at the input to the circuit when measuring the real power into the circuit.

 :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 21, 2014, 05:48:54 PM
Crikey, dup post.  Hit quote instead of modify.  ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 05:51:40 PM
Then I only need to measure the output of the tank and the load power, then that is the equivalent to a grid system.  ;)

Get my point ?

I could ignore the DC input to the primary because we only need the output coil and the load power.

See the problem ! The grid outlet is the output of a transformer, people claiming OU from Grid powered devices need to measure
the power into the Grid's generator to be equal to me measuring the DC input.
.

It can be a local grid or a modeled grid like mine but the real cost is not seen just measuring the output coil on my arrangement
or with the grid.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 21, 2014, 05:57:58 PM
Then I only need to measure the output of the tank and the load power, then that is the equivalent to a grid system.  ;)

Get my point ?

I could ignore the DC input to the primary because we only need the output coil and the load power.

See the problem !
.

No, I am agreeing that you need to measure the input power to the circuit, and
I think I made that clear, but if you simply add some power factor correction components to the
input of the circuit then you don't have to be concerned about the effect that a reactive
load is putting on the line. I think that can be taken out of the equation by simply
adding some power factor correction components at the input of the circuit to bring
the power factor close to 1. Measure the power input just prior to these power factor
components and you are set. Simple and easy.

I guess the exception would be where the circuit is causing a lot of distortion on the line voltage
or current. Power factor correction might be tougher to implement in that case.

 :)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 06:00:09 PM
No, I am agreeing that you need to measure the input power to the circuit, and
I think I made that clear, but if you simply add some power factor components to the
input of the circuit then you don't have to be concerned about the effect that a reactive
load is putting on the line. I think that can be taken out of the equation by simply
adding some power factor correction components at the input of the circuit to bring
the power factor close to 1. Measure the power input just prior to these power factor
components and you are set. Simple and easy.

 :)

What the load circuit ?  :) Because I can use an output transformer and do that as well. See !

P.S. Then I would only need to measure the input to the output transformer and the load power but not the cost of producing
the AC from stored energy.

I've got a Ferrite core transformer and it works well from the output of this type of setup if I tune it.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 21, 2014, 06:06:09 PM
What the load circuit ?  :) Because I can use an output transformer and do that as well. See !
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No, I don't see that it needs to be any more complicated than what I have described.
If you measure at the power input to your circuit as I am saying, which is either the
line voltage input at the power socket, or at the battery or DC power supply terminals, then
that is all you really need. Of course you have to take into account possible ground loops as well if
not using a battery.

All the best...
 :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 06:11:39 PM
No, I don't see that it needs to be any more complicated than what I have described.
If you measure at the power input to your circuit as I am saying, which is either the
line voltage input at the power socket, or at the battery or DC power supply terminals, then
that is all you really need. Of course you have to take into account possible ground loops as well if
not using a battery.

All the best...
 :)

What circuit, the output circuit ?  :)  You're argument is circular and you are failing to consider properly what I am saying.
My "arrangement" is a set of circuits, it's an AC generator and a load, but I can make it an AC generator then a transformer
then a load and that will show why the reactive power claims are BS.

A circuit can be defined by a current loop ?
.

If I just measure the input and output to a transformer connected to the grid I'm only measuring one part of a larger circuit.

Gee wizz.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 06:56:58 PM
Does anyone even calculate the resistance between your house and the Grid Pole transformer to get an idea of reactive power
related losses in the lines  just back to that point ? I think the resistance of the grid is more than people realize and quite a bit
of power is consumed by the DC resistance of the lines relating to the current portion of the reactive power.

The losses are real Watts. And so therefore the resistance of the lines converts reactive power to real power. It must or the losses
from reactive power would not exist. It's not an "all either reactive or not thing" it's portions of a whole doing one thing or another
or something else.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 21, 2014, 07:41:13 PM
What circuit, the output circuit ?  :)  You're argument is circular and you are failing to consider properly what I am saying.
My "arrangement" is a set of circuits, it's an AC generator and a load, but I can make it an AC generator then a transformer
then a load and that will show why the reactive power claims are BS.

A circuit can be defined by a current loop ?
.

If I just measure the input and output to a transformer connected to the grid I'm only measuring one part of a larger circuit.

Gee wizz.

You are not making any sense man.  ;)
Of course it all depends on what you want to measure.
As long as you are measuring correctly then you should have correct results. :)
For overunity devices we only really need to measure power input to the device,
and power dissipated by the load. It is of no concern at all what the power
company is doing or what their costs are, for such measurement purposes. For the most part, we
can make a device that looks reactive at its input appear non-reactive using power factor correction components,
so we don't have to worry about any effects on the line.

If I want to buy the most efficient vacuum cleaner for a given power level, I just need
to know what the efficiency is of the different comparable power vacuum cleaners. The one that
consumes less power for about the same performance is the one that is more efficient.
If one vacuum cleaner has a lower power factor than another, this can be corrected
with some power factor correction components if a person really wanted, but it makes no difference
whatsoever on the efficiency and actual performance of the vacuum cleaners. The true efficiency of
the devices is all that really matters to the consumer. Saying that one introduces a bit more
losses in the power lines or requires more generator capacity than the other due to differences in
power factor is not any concern at all in regards to the efficiency of the vacuum cleaners. I won't
repeat myself further, but it looks to me like you are chasing windmills.  :)

All the best...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 21, 2014, 07:53:29 PM
@Farmhand: Sorry, I've been busy making huge OU in VARs with TKoilVII. The phase question: If you recall my microQEG videos, I at first also got a phase angle that looked like 180 out of phase. This can be due to a lot of things, mostly inverted probes or scope channels, and also if a current transformer is used. If your true phase angle is 90 degrees and you use a current transformer like a Rogowski coil or a plain loop, this will introduce a 90 degree phase shift in the _measurement_ itself. Voila: your scope displays a signal that looks like it is 180 oop, when it is really reading a 90 degree oop signal. I did try to demonstrate this in the first uQEG and the Phase 1 and Phase 2 videos but perhaps I wasn't completely clear.

You are doing awesome work, by the way. Mucho gusto!.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 07:55:30 PM
Well when I get an appropriate CSR and ensure no ground loops then if I get this shot below I can claim OU ?
That's 3.8 Watts input and 5.1 Watts out.  :) If we use the scope measurements and calculate.
When I get the proper CSR we or I will determine the phase to verify with the scope display.

Don't ask me to explain where the extra energy comes from if it does still show more real power out than in.   ;D
I'll let you do that if you want.
..
Input 12.4 V x 0.3 A = 3.72 Watts
I figure it like this.
(200 cosine = -0.987 PF)
84.6 volts x 0.987 A = 83.5 VA
83.5 VA x 0.987 = 78.4 VAR
83.5 VA - 78.4 VAR = 5.1 Watts
5.1 Watts output / 3.72 Watts input = 1.37 C.O.P
..
I think I did better with the filament light bulb and the previous setup not sure.
.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 08:09:12 PM
@Farmhand: Sorry, I've been busy making huge OU in VARs with TKoilVII. The phase question: If you recall my microQEG videos, I at first also got a phase angle that looked like 180 out of phase. This can be due to a lot of things, mostly inverted probes or scope channels, and also if a current transformer is used. If your true phase angle is 90 degrees and you use a current transformer like a Rogowski coil or a plain loop, this will introduce a 90 degree phase shift in the _measurement_ itself. Voila: your scope displays a signal that looks like it is 180 oop, when it is really reading a 90 degree oop signal. I did try to demonstrate this in the first uQEG and the Phase 1 and Phase 2 videos but perhaps I wasn't completely clear.

You are doing awesome work, by the way. Mucho gusto!.

Oh OK I see now, I did miss that part of what you explained and showed. That does make perfect sense, and I do believe I
will get the correct result if I do the measurement correctly in order to show the reality of the situation.

Thanks very much.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 21, 2014, 08:13:04 PM
Farmhand, certain types of loads can be tricky to measure power consumption on.
I have also seen some strange phase shift effects when trying to measure input and output power
using different kinds of odd transformer windings and that sort of thing, and with different kinds of loads.
When I run into that situation I try to see if there is another way to approach the measurements
such as say converting the output to DC or something else.  There is not always an easy solution. :)

Off hand I don't know what the best solution is for the load you are trying to measure.  I think it
is a fluorescent tube? Maybe a fluorescent tube introduces a lot of phase shift on the current, I don't know,
but once you get your non inductive CSR's we can see what kind of waveforms you are left with. It may
take further analysis and testing to get a better idea what is happening there if you don't just
have a probe reversed or whatever.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 21, 2014, 08:24:29 PM
Well when I get an appropriate CSR and ensure no ground loops then if I get this shot below I can claim OU ?
That's 3.8 Watts input and 5.1 Watts out.  :) If we use the scope measurements and calculate.
When I get the proper CSR we or I will determine the phase to verify with the scope display.

Don't ask me to explain where the extra energy comes from if it does still show more real power out than in.   ;D
I'll let you do that if you want.
..
Input 12.4 V x 0.3 A = 3.72 Watts
I figure it like this.
(200 cosine = -0.987 PF)
84.6 volts x 0.987 A = 83.5 VA
83.5 VA x 0.987 = 78.4 VAR
83.5 VA - 78.4 VAR = 5.1 Watts
5.1 Watts output / 3.72 Watts input = 1.37 C.O.P
..
I think I did better with the filament light bulb and the previous setup not sure.
.

No idea what you are trying to do here.
The scope shot you attached to your post says 'tank traces', but
if that is the secondary tank circuit it has no bearing on the efficiency
of your circuit. You only need to show the voltage waveform across the load
and the current waveform on a CSR connected to one of the load terminals.
Watch out for scope ground loops if you have two scope probes connected
into different points in the circuit at the same time. This can also throw off
your measurements, but I think you showed that you have both scope probes
grounded at the same point.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 08:29:13 PM
Void my friend, I got similar results with a filament globe. a 3 Watt incandescent filament light globe, just like most others use and
call resistive loads. But this is 420 kHz. Less dangerous at the same voltages than 50 Hz. It will not kill me unless without any large
capacitors in the arrangement. Makes it more like fun than a chore.
.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 08:39:53 PM
No idea what you are trying to do here.
The scope shot you attached to your post says 'tank traces', but
if that is the secondary tank circuit it has no bearing on the efficiency
of your circuit. You only need to show the voltage waveform across the load
and the current waveform on a CSR connected to one of the load terminals.
Watch out for scope ground loops if you have two scope probes connected
into different points in the circuit at the same time. This can also throw off
your measurements, but I think you showed that you have both scope probes
grounded at the same point.

The difference between VAR and VA is real power in watts, isn't it ?. Doesn't matter where it goes if it's shown to be more
than the input, what matters is where it comes from.
If it is shown to be accurate, then it's anomalous heat or something, but it isn't accurate is it, neither is the load power.

I want to measure the power consumed by the fluro as well as other loads and show the effect on the generator of AC
and the reactive and active powers ect.

P.S. At the moment it's cold here so I can count all the heat output as useful output. If I want to.  ;D I have no master. When it's
cold I can consider what is usually waste heat to be useful because it is, it adds heat to my hut.
.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 21, 2014, 08:40:32 PM
Void my friend, I got similar results with a filament globe. a 3 Watt incandescent filament light globe, just like most others use and
call resistive loads. But this is 420 kHz. Less dangerous at the same voltages than 50 Hz. It will not kill me unless without any large
capacitors in the arrangement. Makes it more like fun than a chore.
.

Ok, I looked at your last scope probe placement diagram you posted a while back, and I think I
understand how you are measuring the load current and load voltage waveforms. The scope probe placement looks correct.
I don't know how to explain it either. I need to think about it. I have also seen strange phase shifts like this before, and I
have seen in some such cases that a small change in frequency can completely change the measured results. If you change the frequency of the driver
somewhat does the measured phase shift on the load current change quickly? 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 21, 2014, 08:47:57 PM
The difference between VAR and VA is real power in watts, isn't it ?. Doesn't matter where it goes if it's shown to be more
than the input, what matters is where it comes from.
If it is shown to be accurate, then it's anomalous heat or something, but it isn't accurate is it, neither is the load power.

I want to measure the power consumed by the fluro as well as other loads and show the effect on the generator of AC
and the reactive and active powers ect.

..


Once you multiply  Vrms by Irms by the PF for your load, you get Watts. That is the real power P (AKA True Power),
and real power is expressed in Watts.
VA is used to represent the apparent power, signified as S. This would be your measured Vrms times your measured Irms for your load.
VAR is used to represent the reactive power, signified as Q
Apparent power is the vector sum of the reactive and real power.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 08:53:24 PM
Yeah it does change quickly with a frequency change of the primary because it's all tuned. I load the output and the primary max
voltage rises but the average voltage remains about the same, that's because the load changes the primary tune of course.
a load either increases primary power or decreases it depending on how I tune it and the load, I can tune the circuit to a load.
Or tune an inductive load to the circuit ect.

I can vary the input voltage, frequency, pulse width and vary the tank resonant frequency by adjusting the variable capacitor.
The tank and the load circuits are separate but connected circuits.

With this arrangement I can just change the pulse generator frequency and run the primary at a different frequency then tune
the tank to be resonant at or near the primary frequency. I can also tune the tank to double the primary frequency and still get
resonant rise.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 21, 2014, 09:04:35 PM

Once you multiply  Vrms by Irms by the PF for your load, you get Watts. That is the real power P (AKA True Power),
and real power is expressed in Watts.
VA is used to represent the apparent power, signified as S. This would be your measured Vrms times your measured Irms for your load.
VAR is used to represent the reactive power, signified as Q
Apparent power is the vector sum of the reactive and real power.

That's exactly what I said. VA - VAR = Watts or Watts = VA - VAR or VAR + Watts = VA, same thing.
ie. 100 VA - 80 VAR leaves 20 Watts missing or dissipated. Fair enough ?

I do understand the concept. But I won't take offense.  :)
.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 21, 2014, 09:06:15 PM
Yeah it does change quickly with a frequency change of the primary because it's all tuned. I load the output and the primary max
voltage rises but the average voltage remains about the same, that's because the load changes the primary tune of course.
a load either increases primary power or decreases it depending on how I tune it and the load, I can tune the circuit to a load.
Or tune an inductive load to the circuit ect.

I can vary the input voltage, frequency, pulse width and vary the tank resonant frequency by adjusting the variable capacitor.
The tank and the load circuits are separate but connected circuits.

With this arrangement I can just change the pulse generator frequency and run the primary at a different frequency then tune
the tank to be resonant at or near the primary frequency. I can also tune the tank to double the primary frequency and still get
resonant rise.
..

Yes, OK. As I have mentioned, I have seen cases like this where I measure odd phase shifts like this, but I have
noticed that if I change the frequency a little bit so that the phase shift comes more into a normal range that there
doesn't appear to be any noticeable change in input and output power. If the tube gives off about the same
amount of light when the frequency is shifted a bit where the phase shift on the load current looks more reasonable,
then although I can't explain it, it would seem to be some just some weird phase effect which doesn't really accurately reflect the
actual load power.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 21, 2014, 09:07:44 PM
That's exactly what I said. VA - VAR = Watts or Watts = VA - VAR or VAR + Watts = VA, same thing.
ie. 100 VA - 80 VAR leaves 20 Watts missing or dissipated. Fair enough ?

I do understand the concept. But I won't take offense.  :)
.

Maybe it was just a typo then, but you wrote:
"83.5 VA x 0.987 = 78.4 VAR"
You also seem to be trying to subtract VAR's from VA's? You can't do that mate. 
They are vectors at different phase angles. This is why they all have different units.
You have to use special vector math to add and subtract vector values at different angles.
You can't use ordinary addition and subtraction.
Just Vrms x Irms x PF is all you need to calculate real power,
but of course these measurements have to be accurate.

Using your odd measured numbers, I get:
(A current lag of 200 degrees is the same as a current lead of 160 degrees, and both give the same power factor,
so the phase angle can be expressed as lagging 200 or leading 160 degrees. Either way, same result.)
84.6 Vrms x 0.98 Arms x Cos(160) =  -77.91 Watts.  Now that's impressive.  ;D
(I am assuming you are using a 0.1 ohm CSR)

I can't explain it, but I will think about it. Maybe someone can see what is happening.
The difference in inductance introduced by a wire wound 0.1 ohm CSR and a non inductive CSR
should not make much difference here I wouldn't think, unless whatever you are using has
an unusually large amount of inductance.  Probably something else is going on here.

Edit:
Do you have your scope probes set to x10 and your scope channel settings configured for the same multiplication factor of x10 as well?
Just wondering if that might be a factor for the measured voltages? That should not affect phase angle measurement though.

P.S. For your 'betterflurosh.csv' file scope data, I calculated an average power of 2.597 Watts.
I assumed a CSR value of 0.1 ohms for the channel 2 current measurements.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 22, 2014, 12:31:21 AM
Most modestly priced scopes only offer a 20MHz filter.

For stable repetitive waveforms, a better way to remove noise artifacts on a digital scope is to apply averaging.  Averaging is usually found in the acquisition menu.  Averaging should be used with care.  Alwasy look at waveforms with averaging turned off before applying it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 22, 2014, 02:52:40 AM
Most modestly priced scopes only offer a 20MHz filter.

For stable repetitive waveforms, a better way to remove noise artifacts on a digital scope is to apply averaging.  Averaging is usually found in the acquisition menu.  Averaging should be used with care.  Alwasy look at waveforms with averaging turned off before applying it.

I just remembered that some scopes will automatically turn on the bandwidth filters
if there is too much noise on the measured signals. That may be why the bandwidth filters are
showing as enabled on Farmhand's scope channels.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 22, 2014, 03:17:21 AM
I hope that you don't have to dig too deep in the menus to unselect that feature.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 22, 2014, 05:20:55 AM
Does anyone even calculate the resistance between your house and the Grid Pole transformer to get an idea of reactive power
related losses in the lines  just back to that point ? I think the resistance of the grid is more than people realize and quite a bit
of power is consumed by the DC resistance of the lines relating to the current portion of the reactive power.

The losses are real Watts. And so therefore the resistance of the lines converts reactive power to real power. It must or the losses
from reactive power would not exist. It's not an "all either reactive or not thing" it's portions of a whole doing one thing or another
or something else.

..
Did some research on this.

I did find this http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf (http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf)

Also, I noticed this calculation "83.5 VA - 78.4 VAR = 5.1 Watts ". I mentioned about fifteen pages back that this was incorrect math. You need to use vector addition and subtraction so sqt(83.5*83.5 - 78.4*78.4) = 28.7 W
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 22, 2014, 06:39:27 AM
He is right.  But far be it for the QEG folks to understand.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 22, 2014, 06:56:51 AM
Set your phasors on stun.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 22, 2014, 08:57:24 AM
Post #11 from hopegirl's blog:  http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/08/06/opensourced-latest-discoveries-in-qeg-technology/#comments
Quote
Dear James and family and teams around the world, your Faith and your Persistence is seeing results! I never doubted that it will work and make history. Thank you so much James for your strike of genius on coming out on open surce and help begin a new era for humanity. Like very much the parallel of Noha and the ark, now it will be done in 100 days! Thank you also for the latest updates, you are Bellissimo! From QEG forming team in Middletown NY.
August 21, 2014


It is this type of excuse my language, horse shit, that keeps the scam funds rolling.  Rebuttal in the same sequence as quoted.  What results?  What results does this poster see or has been seen by James and family?  Under unity and deliberate miscalculations to fool the uninformed?  Ah, the results of free money perhaps. 

What strike of genius?  Perhaps the originators of the concept of open source but qeg open source falls far from the height of genius.  And by the way, having a file downloadable does not constitute open source.  If so every file on the world wide universe web would be open source.  Poster should have said closed source.  FTW group does not come out with any updates until after a deadline and then only to ask for more money.  After the suckers fork it over and over again FTW goes missing and return like a vampire when the lust for more is insatiable.  The report from U.K. is still at large.  The be-do forum is the antithesis of open source as for as genuine analysis of qeg.  The very people claiming to fix the world stifle comments on their blogs and refuse free information exchange on their video uploads.  Must be that new age open source I guess.

Done in 100 days delusion of grandeur?  Does this poster not know how to add the dates of months?  Thank you for the latest updates.  Really.  Lets see, the latest update this time around is that there has not been a change since May 2014 or even far back as September 2013.  I few light bulbs are lit under unity.  Yes, thank you James and family for your latest updates.


A good con learns to adapt.  Thanks to true open source places like this forum, pressure is placed on FTW forcing them to change up their story line ever 30 days.  And adapt the dolla dolla bill girl is doing.  She dropped the fixed dates schtick and now leaves it open ended as to when the world is to be saved.  Real smart move.  She can no longer be questioned why as was done numerous times already to not accomplishing what she said was to be done every 30 days that was claimed to be only hours away from completion.  Various groups have backed out after not seeing the results chanted to exist by the qeg elk.  The effects of hopium laced drinks are subsiding.  Still, there will be those who cling to the qeg hype years after its all over.  Mark my words, I 100% guarantee, if undeniable evidence were to surface and the ftw admitted to premeditated fraud, there will !!STILL!! be a few qeg factions that linger saying well yeah they were crooks but maybe... maybe if we make a few adjustments to the windings the qeg will work.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 22, 2014, 09:25:17 AM
Maybe it was just a typo then, but you wrote:
"83.5 VA x 0.987 = 78.4 VAR"
You also seem to be trying to subtract VAR's from VA's? You can't do that mate. 
They are vectors at different phase angles. This is why they all have different units.
You have to use special vector math to add and subtract vector values at different angles.
You can't use ordinary addition and subtraction.
Just Vrms x Irms x PF is all you need to calculate real power,
but of course these measurements have to be accurate.


Yes Ok I can grasp that.

Using your odd measured numbers, I get:
(A current lag of 200 degrees is the same as a current lead of 160 degrees, and both give the same power factor,
so the phase angle can be expressed as lagging 200 or leading 160 degrees. Either way, same result.)
84.6 Vrms x 0.98 Arms x Cos(160) =  -77.91 Watts.  Now that's impressive.  ;D
(I am assuming you are using a 0.1 ohm CSR)

I can't explain it, but I will think about it. Maybe someone can see what is happening.
The difference in inductance introduced by a wire wound 0.1 ohm CSR and a non inductive CSR
should not make much difference here I wouldn't think, unless whatever you are using has
an unusually large amount of inductance.  Probably something else is going on here.

It might look impressive to some but that figure is very small compared to what the figure is with other loads.
It's not minus 77.9 Watts is it ? Because it can't be can it ? That is what I am showing, that "activity" does very little
except oscillate, and if we load the tank we can only get so much out before the resonant rise is reduced to transformation ratio.
Yes I'm using a 0.1 Ohm - 5W ceramic power resistor, inductance is 119 uH, capacitance is about 1200 pF frequency 420 kHz.
I have a 2 kV probe on the yellow channel so that is set to 100 x and the regular probe is set to 10 x. The voltages are close
and expected from resonant rise, the tank current is also not that much considering that the secondary coils have only less than
0.3 Ohms DC resistance and the primary has only 0.06 Ohms resistance. I used a calculator for the Q of the coils only and the
secondary calculates at 1046 while the primary calculates to 369.

Edit:
Do you have your scope probes set to x10 and your scope channel settings configured for the same multiplication factor of x10 as well?
Just wondering if that might be a factor for the measured voltages? That should not affect phase angle measurement though.

P.S. For your 'betterflurosh.csv' file scope data, I calculated an average power of 2.597 Watts.
I assumed a CSR value of 0.1 ohms for the channel 2 current measurements.

2.59 Watts sounds pretty good to me.  :) 68 % efficiency indicated in that. The other side tank is taking some energy to run
from the input as well. With both loaded the efficiency should be better.

Yes I turned on the bandwidth filters only because the current trace at times can be scratchy looking. I can turn them off no
probs but it doesn't make much difference.

My main goal here is to show that using the grid as the input is cheating. Also when people use a transformer then measure
the output of that and the input of the device the transformer efficiency is completely ignored but it is part of their circuit.

People don't want to believe anything you educated guys say. And I am sick and tired of all the B.S. reactive power claims
ruining the minds of so many people it makes trying to collaborate anywhere almost impossible, so many are infected.
So if I being a amateur can show what would appear to a beginner as OU then correct the measurements and get a proper
result then it might hold some weight.

So If I connect a transformer to one of the outputs of my setup while the other output is doing something else then
I can just measure the transformer in and out to get an efficiency figure for powering that load can I ? because that
is exactly what people do when they plug into the grid and test any device be it a BiTT or a SERPS ect. The actual input
to my device is not relevant ? Only the transformer input and output will give a full and true cost of running the load ?

No it will not. it will give the efficiency of the transformer, but it definitely will not reflect the cost of running the load
with anything else but the grid. If we use an inverter, there is the idle power to add in and battery charging losses. ect.

If the grid was to evaporate and we had to generate all our own power then the cost of running a transformer just went up
and if you load that generator with a lot of reactive devices it will not be able to output as much power as when all devices
are PF 1.0 the efficiency of running the generator will go down.

So I say pull the plug out of the wall and use either a fuel powered generator or something powered by a battery, then they will
see the full cost of running things and realize that loads with poor power factor are bad. And that if they had to run the
generator they would be better off correcting the power factor of the loads they can.

..
The FTW teams claim "OU in VARS" we know how silly that is but many people posting here think that's great and real.
Who except for TK and myself are showing that to be a major load of BS.

Minus 77.9 Watts means 77.9 Watts is being returned to my primary ? I don't think so somehow.

Now we see why the subject need to be simplified. And why so many bogus claims arise especially when they use the grid,
because I can see the input to the device from a Battery or DC supply I can tell that is not happening, but others would claim
it was sending energy back to the grid. hahahahahaha

Resonant rise with these setups can go to over 1600 Volts p to p and several Amps RMS with 12.3 volts input at about .6 to .7 A.
Transformation ratio is 1:5, with 8 primary turns and 40 secondary turns. So it is good for fluro's which is what I want it for
but while I'm experimenting I am trying to show even I can out do the FTW teams as far as the silly "OU in VARS" goes.

"Magnification factor" would outdo a lot of peoples Tesla coils.  :)
..

If I connect an efficient transformer to an output with a resistive load attached I would get high efficiency like any good
transformer. But that doesn't reflect the full cost of powering the resistive load. To get the true cost we need to factor in
the cost of generating the AC power. And I think even the cost of charging the battery (in dissipated energy) is part of
the cost if a battery is used as the source of stored potential energy, so the cost in energy of digging up the coal and
burning it to turn the turbine is also part of the cost (in energy expended).
.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 22, 2014, 11:19:37 AM
Did some research on this.

I did find this http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf (http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf)

Also, I noticed this calculation "83.5 VA - 78.4 VAR = 5.1 Watts ". I mentioned about fifteen pages back that this was incorrect math. You need to use vector addition and subtraction so sqt(83.5*83.5 - 78.4*78.4) = 28.7 W

28.7 Watts where ? That is more "out"of reality than the result I got. If Watts is real power than that is serious OU.
3.8 Watts input don't forget. It can't be Watts it must be something else. The only logical thing it can be is reactive power
or "activity".

It doesn't matter really if it's 76 or 28 if those are Watts it's wrong isn't it. There isn't 28 Watts of heat leaving the
device that's for certain. The output is not 28 Watts either.

At least 5.1 Watts sounds about right and correlates somewhat with the brightness of the fluro, it's brighter
than 2.7 Watts. It's more like about the equivalent brightness as 6 Watts makes a 10 Watt tube. That doesn't
mean 6 Watts was consumed.
Edit: I meant to say there that it doesn't mean i am claiming my device was powering
the fluro with 6 Watts. Just that it looked like it was being powered by 6 Watts of power kind of thing. It shines pretty bright.

If I connect a 6 Watt fluro and power it then it lights just like one does with over 6 Watts input from a small fluro driver I
bought to my eye. No joke with 3.8 Watts input. Actually until the light meter arrives I use can use a small fluro driver for
a light "brightness" comparison.

So my best guess is that it is very efficient at lighting small fluro's with that input level. I can easily double the input by
doubling the input voltage. But I don't think the small 6 Watt one could get much brighter, the 10 Watt tube could get
brighter by a bit but it doesn't look like 2.7 watts would do what is is doing, must be closer to the input power than that.
I'd say it's fairly efficient for fluro's.  :) A 36 Watt 4 foot fluro strikes and lights up but it's not as bright as the 10 Watt one
but I think it gives off more light overall.

Brightness to look at is different to light to see by in a room.

You see for the practical use of the device the output power measurement is irrelevant only the input and the
light output matters everything else is just finding out for curiosity or for preserving the life of the tube.

It could be possible that if driven in certain ways the fluro could give off more light for the same or less input. And I
don't mean just the HF aspect because the small fluro driver works at 20 kHz or something anyway.

Applying spikes of voltage higher than I am using will produce larger spikes of current than I get but less often and
no applied sine wave of voltage.

I should scope the small fluro driver I guess and have a look at least at the voltage trace.

If someone says 28 Watts that's fine, if someone else says 76 Watts that's all good too, but it's wrong. No ?

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 22, 2014, 11:56:45 AM
To me the FTW claim and the SERPS claim are more or less the same, they are saying that the VAR can be utilized not just
continuously but also without paying for it in generation costs.

So it's all relevant.

If I have a 10 klm distribution line (not reality just thinking out loud) just say the line has 10 Ohms DC resistance,
then if we connect a load with a power factor of 0.5 and there is 240 VRMS and 10 amps of current to the load.

So we then have 2400 VA x 0.5 = 1200 Watts and 1200 VAR, so the current supplied is double that which is used.
Now all the current is still there 10 Amps. both ways with AC, so the losses associated with reactive power are not
from the reactive power itself
but from the excess current need in the first place. What is dropped is voltage
across the load. The current remains the same. So the potential energy in the volts x amps in phase is all the energy
that gets transferred to the load.

Therefore if a resistive load like a filament bulb is, through some miracle actually made to act "reactive" the filament would
have to pass more current than it should. And the out of phase current would not be "allowed" to heat the filament.

As for the QEG we ought to be able to roughly calculate the Q of the coils and the resonant rise while loaded with the bulbs
he's using in a video then we should be able to calculate the drop in Q due to more load roughly, and predict fairly well
the required circumstances to get 20 kW out of it.

I think MileHigh did do some calculations along those lines.

Anyway I'll wind an output coil so I can drive the ferrite transformer and remove the measurements from the device a bit.
Then I can measure the efficiency of the transformer when driven like that. A resistive load on the output of that transformer
will allow me to just measure the input and output of that transformer for an efficiency figure same as many others do.  :)
.

If the FTW team get a hold of a SERPS device then they will be in seventh heaven. See my point !

They won't even need to measure their device any more just a transformer between it and the SERPS or "SERPS like" device.

Set Phasers to "kill" Mr Spock. These space critters are dangerous !  :)

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 22, 2014, 12:04:48 PM
Did some research on this.

I did find this http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf (http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf)

Also, I noticed this calculation "83.5 VA - 78.4 VAR = 5.1 Watts ". I mentioned about fifteen pages back that this was incorrect math. You need to use vector addition and subtraction so sqt(83.5*83.5 - 78.4*78.4) = 28.7 W
The relation between VA, VAR, and Real power, S, Q, and P is:  VA2 = VAR2 + P2 as you applied to derive P = (VA2 - VAR2)0.5.  So, since Farmhand isn't observing anything close to 30W of real power dissipation, then probably the 78.4W was obtained incorrectly due to a phase angle error or other measurement anomaly.  If his dissipation is in the 5W range and the 83.5VA measurement is correct (should be with good true RMS measurements), then the reactive power should be more like 79.7W.   Just 2.7 deg phase error would account for the difference.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 22, 2014, 12:16:13 PM
To me the FTW claim and the SERPS claim are more or less the same, they are saying that the VAR can be utilized not just continuously but also without paying for it in generation costs.

So it's all relevant.

If I have a 10 klm distribution line (not reality just thinking out loud) just say the line has 10 Ohms DC resistance,
then if we connect a load with a power factor of 0.5 and there is 240 VRMS and 10 amps of current to the load.

So we then have 2400 VA x 0.5 = 1200 Watts and 1200 VAR, so the current supplied is double that which is used.
Now all the current is still there 10 Amps. both ways with AC, so the losses associated with reactive power are not
from the reactive power itself
but from the excess current need in the first place. What is dropped is voltage
across the load. The current remains the same. So the potential energy in the volts x amps in phase is all the energy
that gets transferred to the load.

Therefore if a resistive load like a filament bulb is, through some miracle actually made to act "reactive" the filament would
have to pass more current than it should. And the out of phase current would not be "allowed" to heat the filament.



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This is why industrial users get penalized for low PF, because it imposes reals costs for the power company.  In the 1980s the local power utility:  PG&E engineered the AC power distribution in a new building for HP in Silicon Valley.  They failed to account for the fact that  HP would install computers everywhere.  This was before power factor correctors, PFCs, became mandatory above 500W.  The AC wiring caught fire because of the reactive current sloshing back and forth between all the non PFC power supplies in the computers and the utility.  The red-faced PG&E had to pay for the building repairs.  Rather than rewire the place, they paid for PFCs installed in front of every computer.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 22, 2014, 12:44:21 PM
Yeah, I forgot Thane Heins because he's a has been but still has a strong following. All these scammers need skinning.  ;)
Just like they're trying to do to others and they use places like this to make better their exposure. With no regard for the
safety or the expense it causes all the unwitting but very good intentioned experimenters. To me it looks like they should be
prosecuted in some way and jailed in some cases.

Anyone not trying to perpetuate a ruse or not actively and knowingly supporting one should have nothing to be concerned about.

I made a comment to one person that if they want to use their house wiring for central heating then using a Barbosa and Leal
device might work.
hahahhahahha

I think Thane Heins started this virus.

Someone should keep a tally of the reactive power OU claims since Thane first made his, just for curiosity. Quite a few.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 22, 2014, 01:00:26 PM
The relation between VA, VAR, and Real power, S, Q, and P is:  VA2 = VAR2 + P2 as you applied to derive P = (VA2 - VAR2)0.5.  So, since Farmhand isn't observing anything close to 30W of real power dissipation, then probably the 78.4W was obtained incorrectly due to a phase angle error or other measurement anomaly.  If his dissipation is in the 5W range and the 83.5VA measurement is correct (should be with good true RMS measurements), then the reactive power should be more like 79.7W.   Just 2.7 deg phase error would account for the difference.

Can't be 5 Watts dissipated Mark, most would be 3.8 Watts which is the input. If we do not consider any input is coming from anywhere else then 3.5 Watts Max under the best possible conditions or so I would say. I get ya though.

So whatever that means to the measurement errors I'm not sure, and don't want to confuse myself at this point with it.
But I do think that 2.7 Watts is reasonable and so would be a bit more but I doubt it's less than 2.7 Watts. And regardless
of what the output power is the light is good for the input power.

Another thing I will do is make a checklist for everything I must take into account regarding ground loops ect. for better
measurements. Scope settings ect. ie. turn off the bandwidth filters and whatnot.

Umm, wouldn't the bandwidth filters tend to make the wave form smaller ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 22, 2014, 01:14:11 PM
Quote
So we then have 2400 VA x 0.5 = 1200 Watts and 1200 VAR, so the current supplied is double that which is used. Now all the current is still there 10 Amps. both ways with AC, so the losses associated with reactive power are not from the reactive power itself but from the excess current need in the first place. What is dropped is voltage across the load. The current remains the same. So the potential energy in the volts x amps in phase is all the energy that gets transferred to the load.
Well said. This is also why transformers power ratings are quoted in VA and not watts.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 22, 2014, 01:51:21 PM
Can't be 5 Watts dissipated Mark, most would be 3.8 Watts which is the input. If we do not consider any input is coming from anywhere else then 3.5 Watts Max under the best possible conditions or so I would say. I get ya though.
It is the scale from 25W to 5W that I am concerned with.
Quote

So whatever that means to the measurement errors I'm not sure, and don't want to confuse myself at this point with it.
But I do think that 2.7 Watts is reasonable and so would be a bit more but I doubt it's less than 2.7 Watts. And regardless
of what the output power is the light is good for the input power.

Another thing I will do is make a checklist for everything I must take into account regarding ground loops ect. for better
measurements. Scope settings ect. ie. turn off the bandwidth filters and whatnot.

Umm, wouldn't the bandwidth filters tend to make the wave form smaller ?
Yes, but if you have a filter set at 20MHz and are measuring at 300kHz the difference is pretty much imperceptible.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 22, 2014, 03:08:09 PM
Did some research on this.

I did find this http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf (http://www.pure-energy.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/DispellingMythsAboutReactivePowerinResonantCircuits.pdf)

Also, I noticed this calculation "83.5 VA - 78.4 VAR = 5.1 Watts ". I mentioned about fifteen pages back that this was incorrect math. You need to use vector addition and subtraction so sqt(83.5*83.5 - 78.4*78.4) = 28.7 W
Yep. And I and Farmhand are using the inductive coupling method of extracting power from the resonating tank. So what is the response of the QEG believers to that PDF?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 22, 2014, 03:24:54 PM
As I discovered,the difference between a wirewound resistor used as a current sense resistor and a real noninductive one like the Ohmites we have mentioned, is indeed enough to introduce a couple or three degrees of phase shift in the current measurement.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 22, 2014, 03:30:38 PM
Does anyone still believe that Torelco isn't fully involved in this fraud?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 22, 2014, 03:42:00 PM
Does anyone still believe that Torelco isn't fully involved in this fraud?
I raise my hand.  FTW is co-opting Torelco's reputation.  That's bad for Torelco.  To show complicity by Torelco, you need to find an endorsement of the QEG and/or FTW by Torelco.
This is their page for the QEG toroids:

http://www.torelco.com/QEG-Generator.html (http://www.torelco.com/QEG-Generator.html)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 22, 2014, 04:19:24 PM
Yes I'm using a 0.1 Ohm - 5W ceramic power resistor, inductance is 119 uH, capacitance is about 1200 pF frequency 420 kHz.

Say what?  119 uH for a 0.1 ohm, 5W  wirewound resistor? That seems to be a very high inductance if correct.
Such a high inductance for a CSR at 420 KHz could definitely throw off your scope measurements significantly. If that value of
inductance of your 0.1 ohm CSR resistor is correct and you are aware of it, then it looks like you have deliberately been trying
to make bad measurements to try to make some point?  It looks like you are deliberately running your circuit at a frequency
at which your CSR is coming into self resonance, and thus throwing your measurements way off. However, anyone with a
half decent knowledge of doing scope measurements at high frequencies would be aware of this sort of problem and
take steps to avoid it.

Just for comparison, I have a 1 ohm, 5W wirewound ceramic power resistor and its inductance  is only about 0.7 uH. Anyway, if the inductance
of your CSR really is 119uH, then it might well explain at least a good part of the strange scope measurements you have been posting here.
Sure, a person has to know how to use their scope well and be aware of various potential problem areas to make accurate measurements,
but that doesn't mean that everyone out there is making bad measurements just because there is a potential for it.  ;)
Yes, I know that there are various people out there on the internet who do make bad measurements and thus come to false conclusions about
overunity, but that doesn't make them all 'frauds' and 'scammers'. Some people just are mistaken because they don't
have the proper technical background to realize their measurement errors and incorrect assumptions. Not a big deal to me.
It is a given that many home hobbyists who are not formally trained in electronics or mechanics or whatever they are experimenting with
are going to come to false conclusions sometimes. Heck even many professional engineers and scientists can make measurement
errors or make incorrect assumptions. That's why we have a whole peer review process built into our science vetting process.
Not a big deal mate. It all works out in the wash. Either something really works as described or it doesn't.  :D



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 22, 2014, 04:50:12 PM
Sorry Void, My bad, That's 119 uH measured for the coil, the resistor I cannot measure as I don't have a good enough LCR meter.  :-[
My apologies. I think I'll be seeing similar but slightly different results to Tinsel, my set up is a little bit different.

Tinsel has a primary with the resonance capacitors directly across the primary switched by a Royer. But my setup has just a
capacitor across the switch. My primary is not tuned to full resonance, it's capacitor is smaller than it would need be for that
so I get a DC lump of 40 volts which resembles a Half of a sine wave across the drain and primary circuit ground. Then I use
the secondary (tanked and tunable) to get the sine waves and so I can tune for power with the variable capacitor across the
secondary, an output coil can go to the positive end of the secondary and produce nice sine waves even under load, that coil
I tune with a variable inductor in the tank. Tuning the main tank takes the input from idle at about eg. 0.08 A @12.4 v up to full
power which is limited by different things with different loads and input voltages.

From the lower turn thicker wire output coil I can drive transformers or rectify to DC and such things, using a capacitor in series
with a transformer can have benefits as well. All coils have very low resistance except the output coils of the, separate ferrite
transformer which has 0.5 mm wire secondaries, but it's not much R either.

I've got a diode to block any reverse currents to a battery or other supply, this could cause some loss by forcing a higher input
power, due to no return. I intend to use a resonant charging circuit on the primary circuit to boost input voltage and limit current
if it works well. That always tends to boost the input a bit.  :)

The small 12 volt powered fluro driver uses 0.5 A @ 12.4 volts to drive a 6 Watt fluro, and it's bright but it was designed for
8 Watts however I only have one 8 Watt tube and it uses the same input when driven by the same little fluro driver. 6.2 Watts.

I'll be wanting to light 2 x 18 Watt fluro's with my device eventually, one tube the other or both I hope.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 22, 2014, 05:04:24 PM
Say what?  119 uH for a 0.1 ohm, 5W  wirewound resistor? That seems to be a very high inductance if correct.
Such a high inductance for a CSR at 420 KHz could definitely throw off your scope measurements significantly. If that value of
inductance of your 0.1 ohm CSR resistor is correct and you are aware of it, then it looks like you have deliberately been trying
to make bad measurements to try to make some point?  It looks like you are deliberately running your circuit at a frequency
at which your CSR is coming into self resonance, and thus throwing your measurements way off. However, anyone with a
half decent knowledge of doing scope measurements at high frequencies would be aware of this sort of problem and
take steps to avoid it.

Just for comparison, I have a 1 ohm, 5W wirewound ceramic power resistor and its inductance  is only about 0.7 uH. Anyway, if the inductance
of your CSR really is 119uH, then it might well explain at least a good part of the strange scope measurements you have been posting here.
Sure, a person has to know how to use their scope well and be aware of various potential problem areas to make accurate measurements,
but that doesn't mean that everyone out there is making bad measurements just because there is a potential for it.  ;)
Yes, I know that there are various people out there on the internet who do make bad measurements and thus come to false conclusions about
overunity, but that doesn't make them all 'frauds' and 'scammers'. Some people just are mistaken because they don't
have the proper technical background to realize their measurement errors and incorrect assumptions. Not a big deal to me.
It is a given that many home hobbyists who are not formally trained in electronics or mechanics or whatever they are experimenting with
are going to come to false conclusions sometimes. Heck even many professional engineers and scientists can make measurement
errors or make incorrect assumptions. That's why we have a whole peer review process built into our science vetting process.
Not a big deal mate. It all works out in the wash. Either something really works as described or it doesn't.  :D

Now Void, Buddy I've got non inductive "Ohmite" resistors on the way, if you think I'm deliberately running the setup at a
frequency to cause the resistor be in self resonance, then you're dead wrong about the deliberate part ! And that is a slurring my
name.
Why do that ?

I'm not a half wit I'm just a boilermaker. You think I would use a resistor with 119 uH in a resonant setup like this ? OMG
Get off my back champ. Are you in Aus ?
Wanna come to my house and measure the resistor for me ?  ;D You're welcome to do that.
While you're here you can spend a few hours teaching me how to use the scope correctly, don't expect payment though
and I might get you to help me do some farm work !

You are free to ignore me. But I have no intention of wasting more time. I haven't made any "claims" except sarcastically.
unless you want to pay me then you are not my boss, even then I need to allow you to pay me before that can happen.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 22, 2014, 05:20:45 PM
Just to be fair, here's another offer, you get whatever quotes of me you want that you think are not appropriate and link the post
they are in so the context can be seen. And I will either defend them or retract them. Otherwise, whats the problem ?

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 22, 2014, 05:24:40 PM
Hi Farmhand. Ok, I would be inclined to think that if you are knowingly using a CSR with an
inductance of 119 uH that you would likely know that this is going to throw off your scope measurements.
That's why I was asking if you were doing this deliberately to try to make a point.

How did you measure the inductance of your 0.1 ohm resistor?
If it is measuring that high of an inductance with a half decent inductance meter, then it may very
well be the cause of your odd scope measurement results. At an inductance value of 119uH at 420 KHz,
it could be at or near self resonance which can give the kind of strange phase shift and unusually
high scope voltage readings you are seeing.

One way to check if a resistor (or coil) is at or close to self resonance is (only if the voltage levels are safe) is to
slowly bring your hand or finger near, or put it right on the body of the resistor, while you are monitoring
the voltage waveform across it with your scope probe, and see if the voltage fluctuates up and down as
you touch and move your finger close to and away from the resistor body. If the voltage amplitude across
the resistor does fluctuate when doing this then your resistor is definitely showing resonance effects.

Anyway, 119uH, if correct, will definitely throw off your scope measurements at a frequency of 420 KHz.
Your non inductive CSR resistors should make a big difference in your measurements if that is the case.


Edit: Ignore the above. I see you posted that the 119 uH is not correct for your CSR...



All the best...

 :)


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 22, 2014, 05:42:08 PM
Sorry Void, My bad, That's 119 uH measured for the coil, the resistor I cannot measure as I don't have a good enough LCR meter.  :-[
My apologies. I think I'll be seeing similar but slightly different results to Tinsel, my set up is a little bit different.

Ok, then it looks like we are back to square one unless someone has spotted what is causing this.  ;) 119 uH sounded awfully
high for a 0.1 ohm wire wound resistor. 119 uH sounds more like an air core coil.  :)  So, if that is the case then I am still
not sure why you are seeing such an unusual phase shift in your load current measurements.

No, I am not in Aus.  I would have to build a similar arrangement and do some measurements to see if I can identify
what is going on. I have seen close to 180 degree phase shifts on the current when sweeping ferrite transformers with different
winding arrangements from low KHz into the MHz range. You can sometimes hit certain frequencies where you can see strange phase
shifts like that, but changing the frequency just a bit makes the phase change very fast back to more normal ranges. I don't know why
exactly that happens, maybe due to hitting resonance points in the transformer windings, but I guess maybe it can happen using certain air
core transformer winding arrangements as well. I can't recall if I have ever seen close to a 180 degree current phase shift with an air core
transformer setup before.
All the best...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 23, 2014, 12:38:35 PM
Thanks for the replies and tips Void and everyone, I will need to read back in the thread to get things sorted in my head better, I
have a few questions but I'll do some re-reading first.

I've adjusted the primary capacitance to 25 nF and now I can get more input under load, with no load the input still goes to max on the power supply before I can tune the secondary to full resonance. If I connect a battery instead for the supply I should get lot's
of "activity" in the secondary tank. Any guesses on the max p to p voltage and current in the secondary tank at say 12.4 volts @ 1 A
input ? Last one got 1600 v p to p and 1.9 A I think but it had 16 more secondary turns and thinner wire.

And would the 12 watts input while there is no actual "load" be dissipated in the secondary circuit or the primary circuit mainly ?
Should be able to feel some warm somewhere after a few minutes dissipating 12 Watts.

I hope not too much of that is RF or EMR or whatever.

Something that's difficult to get an answer to is. Will exposing myself to experimental levels of RF power cause the titanium
screws in my neck to warm up ?
.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on August 23, 2014, 07:32:52 PM

Something that's difficult to get an answer to is. Will exposing myself to experimental levels of RF power cause the titanium
screws in my neck to warm up ?
.
 

If they are made of the same stuff as the metal in my ankles then they might  :o Mine are an alloy of titanium, steel and another metal which I cannot remember. The titanium is considered too brittle for surgical screws on its own.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 24, 2014, 07:32:44 AM
Yeah Hoppy, You're Right, it would be an alloy of titanium and stainless steel basically, there would be
a few different ingredients, like most metals titanium is alloyed for different reasons. Steel itself is just
a mixture of Iron Carbon and whatever else is needed to get the properties required. Stainless steel
has a lot of Chromium or other bright metals to resist oxidization ect. Mostly we call metal alloys by the
general name of the most relevant metal or the most % metal, but we usually do add the suffix "alloy".
Not many pure metals are used for fasteners or construction.

Stainless steel and regular steel as well as aluminium being widely used metals for building things
have many different "grades" or "alloy ingredients". I forget most all the numbers and uses but
there are quite a few.

Say Molybdenum three times fast.  :)

I was thinking eddy currents or something. I do get odd feelings in there at times.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 24, 2014, 06:26:09 PM
I remember a few years ago that some folks working on the Dr. Stiffler device (SEC) replications reported some feelings of nausea and headaches.  Some people are more sensitive to this than others.  This was one of the reasons I never really fooled with it even though I still have an original SEC-18 board.

Of course, if you factor in all of the signals we are being bombarded with on a daily basis (electro smog) it probably does not make any real difference.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 25, 2014, 05:54:16 AM
Hot off the presses:

<<<<
Exciting Progress is being made!  Hope Girl is on the road again! I’m headed off to Florida to work with Tesla Energy Solutions in preparation for the future of the QEG. 
 
 Tesla Energy Solutions LLC. One of our main supporters and partners is now offering QEG Kits and QEG Training Programs.   They are an amazing company that work with methods to obtain or generate free energy from the environment, exploring the original ideas of “Nikola Tesla”, “Don Smith”, “T. Henry Moray”, “Steven Mark”, and many others.
 This collaboration comes at a divine moment in time for the QEG project. Just know that even though we’ve been quiet, we are avidly doing the necessary work to make sure this opensourced technology makes it directly to the people. Now is the time for major business strategy in a new paradigm manner so that we are all well prepared for what is about to unfold (wink wink)
 
 Please stay tuned to my FB page for updates on the QEG progress and our CICU major distribution plan.
 Much Love,
 Hope
>>>

What?

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Now is the time for major business strategy in a new paradigm manner so that we are all well prepared for what is about to unfold (wink wink)

So Naima is going back to the "business fantasy" side of the operation, just like Rossi fantasizing about a production plant with a fully robotic assembly line.  She is "setting up a CICU distribution plan" like some kind of Chicago Prohibition bootlegger.  It's all fantasy talk.

Quote
Tesla Energy Solutions LLC. One of our main supporters and partners is now offering QEG Kits and QEG Training Programs.

Run for the hills and don't spend a single cent.  I don't know if the Tesla Energy Solutions QEG clip from a month or so ago is still up on YouTube but the guy clearly barely knew what he was doing.

The illusion that they have a free energy machine or are on the verge of having a free energy machine is still being perpetrated by Naima Feagin.  It's a lie.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 25, 2014, 09:30:59 AM
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/china/559-mass-production-in-china#2554
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We would like to get involved with mass production of the units.We would like to work closely with the engineers heading this field of experts.Please contact me for any possible cooperation.


jm02 must not have heard about the open source "documents" that say inside, the single document, due diligence was done to insure the completeness and accuracy of the document.  Just mass produce the easy to build 240Vac 10kW generator that is ready to connect to your house.  jm02, you need not have anyone contact you at all.  Buy the Torelco cores by the boat load and start producing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 25, 2014, 03:27:32 PM
Hot off the presses:

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Exciting Progress is being made!  Hope Girl is on the road again! I’m headed off to Florida to work with Tesla Energy Solutions in preparation for the future of the QEG. 
 
 Tesla Energy Solutions LLC. One of our main supporters and partners is now offering QEG Kits and QEG Training Programs.   They are an amazing company that work with methods to obtain or generate free energy from the environment, exploring the original ideas of “Nikola Tesla”, “Don Smith”, “T. Henry Moray”, “Steven Mark”, and many others.
 This collaboration comes at a divine moment in time for the QEG project. Just know that even though we’ve been quiet, we are avidly doing the necessary work to make sure this opensourced technology makes it directly to the people. Now is the time for major business strategy in a new paradigm manner so that we are all well prepared for what is about to unfold (wink wink)
 
 Please stay tuned to my FB page for updates on the QEG progress and our CICU major distribution plan.
 Much Love,
 Hope
>>>

What?

So Naima is going back to the "business fantasy" side of the operation, just like Rossi fantasizing about a production plant with a fully robotic assembly line.  She is "setting up a CICU distribution plan" like some kind of Chicago Prohibition bootlegger.  It's all fantasy talk.

Run for the hills and don't spend a single cent.  I don't know if the Tesla Energy Solutions QEG clip from a month or so ago is still up on YouTube but the guy clearly barely knew what he was doing.

The illusion that they have a free energy machine or are on the verge of having a free energy machine is still being perpetrated by Naima Feagin.  It's a lie.

MileHigh


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What?

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    Now is the time for major business strategy in a new paradigm manner so that we are all well prepared for what is about to unfold (wink wink)


So Naima is going back to the "business fantasy" side of the operation, just like Rossi fantasizing about a production plant with a fully robotic assembly line.  She is "setting up a CICU distribution plan" like some kind of Chicago Prohibition bootlegger.  It's all fantasy talk.

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Maybe we should interpret that as being "Now is the time to get all the donation monies into untouchable accounts and employ
a lawyer for advice on how to avoid any legal problems and maximize the number of different funding campaigns."

Next the "branch teams" will be adding the cost of the "QEG Kits and QEG Training Programs" to the individual gofund me
campaigns.  ;D That way they can have the donators pay for the kit's and training upfront, bang done. Whats to stop them
from pretending to be another group and asking for more funds for "Phantom" "branch Teams" ? Gee Wizardry.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on August 25, 2014, 03:40:54 PM

Whats to stop them
from pretending to be another group and asking for more funds for "Phantom" "branch Teams" ? Gee Wizardry.
...

That's all part of the game!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 26, 2014, 01:42:55 AM
Florida has resonance!!!!! 

What a sham.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 26, 2014, 04:30:39 AM
More bursting news!

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/china/560-shenzhen-resonance-qeg-china-omegaquantum#2558 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/china/560-shenzhen-resonance-qeg-china-omegaquantum#2558)

Yesterday 25 Aug we got resonance in Shenzhen our first QEG is working and our inhouse chief engineer/scientist Evens is working on measurments and ideas to convert the reactive energy from the QEG into usable power. In the upcoming weeks we are going to update people with technical details in our progress. Some ideas has been suggested by various members of the Quantum Energy Research group that we are going to apply.
 
 Our team has for the last 2 months been involved in the QEG network where we visited QEG UK and got in touch with the wonderful people that has brought this idea to humanity , We are involved in a startup called Omega Quantum where we are going to produce energy saving technologies at lowcost in China, as well as develop a platform where open source ideas can be realized through our programs.
 
 Some freshly taken pictures from our QEG build here in Shenzhen.
 
 Our company website is Omegaquantum.com - Still in development.
 
 Attached some pictures , excuse the quality . Will be able to post video this week with some updates.   

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So Evens is in China in reactive energy brainstorming mode!  (Play with a bell instead!)  Who paid?  lol  The Omegaquantum web site is currently a shell in innovation overdrive!

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 26, 2014, 09:11:43 AM
That's amazing. Think of the money being spent! I have tried, I really have, but with PESN flat-out lying about me and my videos, and the total lack of discussion of the real issues by any of the QEG builders.... I'm beating my head against the wall, apparently.

It's just three weeks now from being ONE FULL YEAR since HopeGirl announced being five weeks away from having a running prototype.

I wonder if there will be a big party at the one year mark. Wheee ! Look! We are Lighting Up some light bulbs with a _motor connected to the mains_ !!! Send more money, we are just moments, inches, instants away from Self-Running!

Note the continued lying even in the announcement from China. They have NOT achieved "working" or "running" at all! They have achieved Resonance in a system that is DRIVEN by a big honking electric motor connected to the local grid!

NO QEG anywhere in the world has ever "run" or "worked". They have always, every one of them, been driven by their big electric motors. Motors so big that in many cases special wiring, outlets and circuit breakers have had to be installed in the MAINS WIRING to the various labs in order to run the motors!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 26, 2014, 09:35:52 AM
What ever happened to that one place, you know that place called Morocco?  Oh... FTW thought we forgot.  Lets not even mention Taiwan.
Still waiting on the UK report that has been at large.  Must be that new age open source.  Disallow comments on videos, stifle analyses on their forum, go silent for weeks on end and then pop up only for more money, never look back at the places that were so called to be helped.  And this phoney baloney omegaquantum site speaks for itself.

Innovate, turnkey, Tesla, global, canned images of actors taking photo shots, yep, you cannot get more cookie cutter multilevel marketing than that.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 26, 2014, 03:53:01 PM
If I read MH's posting correctly, they now have given themselves "within 10 years" as a new deadline.  That gives them a lot of room to collect more money.  Forget that they have missed all of their other "deadlines" and "projections" for a completed, working unit producing a real energy gain, much less a self-looped device.

This boggles the mind.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 26, 2014, 06:59:58 PM
While it is probably true that considering they are developing a product which is supposed to be
basically breaking new ground, WITTS aside, I agree they probably should not have been giving such
hard and fast dates for achieving goals. However, considering they appear to be crowd funded to a large part,
I guess they do have an obligation to give some at least ballpark deadlines. It would have made more sense
to get to a point first where they have an actual self runner, and then start the crowd funding campaigns, IMO. 

Something to consider though, if I am understanding the construction details correctly, this
generator contains no magnets, and the coils on the steel core are also not electrically excited from
an external power source.  It is just a steel rotor spinning inside the core and altering the flux path for
the large coils mounted on the steel toroid. The 'exciter tank circuit' is actually just connected to ground at one side and
an antenna wire at the other side for external connections. If I have that correct, and I believe that is correct from reviewing the
design docs and related, and over unity claims aside, it is very interesting that this generator device produces the
output power that it does with no internal magnets, and no external electrical excitation of the toroid coils other than
the ground and antenna wire connected to the exciter tank circuit. I don't know a whole lot about generators,
but that seems like a very interesting accomplishment in itself.

Regarding getting the units self running, the latest for the month of August is apparently that they believe the
cores need to go through a conditioning time using the exciter tank circuit, in which they are saying they think the core 
is altered somehow by continued exposure to this 'quantum energy' coming from the exciter tank circuit,
and that once this conditioning period is completed they are hoping the units can then produce over unity.
Until they accomplish self running I guess they really can't say for sure what it will take to achieve over unity,
but they are saying that they believe they are only about 200 Watts or so short of being able to get the units self running.
I know their approach of putting a lot of emphasis on collecting crowd source money and donations seems suspicious
considering they don't have a self runner yet, but I personally am taking a wait and see attitude with this thing.
The device concept at least seems to have similarities in some ways to other devices that have been
reported over the years to have been self runners. You just never know.  ;)



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 27, 2014, 04:46:17 AM
Void, that's not really the way it all played out. The antenna is only recent, the tank consists of capacitors across the secondary
coils, the antenna and ground connection were only used and shown in the "Barn video". The antenna and ground only form a
portion of the tank circuit (just as I showed).  They were showing light globe loads without an antenna or ground connection in the
other countries. The antenna demonstration showed him powering a bulb from between the HV tank and the ground connection
easily a light can be lit using a ground return in such a setup and without tracing the connections we have no way to tell actually
how it was wired.

The claim is that they can convert the tank VAR value into real output power continuously without using more input, and
in fact self run the device, they claimed to already have done that but lied.
A pattern of lying has emerged.

The parametric excitation is likely only a part of the story, there would be residual magnetism in the rotor and also as soon as
some tank activity starts then it would be self exciting in my opinion  the currents in the tank would cause loading on the rotor,
and that is obvious when resonance is achieved because of the loading down sound of the rotor.  An effect of induced
magnetism in the rotor maybe. The rotor see significant load.

Fact is the input power to the DC drive motor is what is pumping the tank up. Output has never even come close to exceeding
input.

Fact is they are lying to get donations from people, raising money by deception is fraud.

Sounds like you've come to defend them and their actions Void. You asked me what I was trying to achieve here, I think it's fair
I ask you the same.

What is it you are trying to achieve here Void ?

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 27, 2014, 03:43:36 PM
Void, that's not really the way it all played out. The antenna is only recent, the tank consists of capacitors across the secondary
coils, the antenna and ground connection were only used and shown in the "Barn video". The antenna and ground only form a
portion of the tank circuit (just as I showed).  They were showing light globe loads without an antenna or ground connection in the
other countries. The antenna demonstration showed him powering a bulb from between the HV tank and the ground connection
easily a light can be lit using a ground return in such a setup and without tracing the connections we have no way to tell actually
how it was wired.

The claim is that they can convert the tank VAR value into real output power continuously without using more input, and
in fact self run the device, they claimed to already have done that but lied.
A pattern of lying has emerged.

The parametric excitation is likely only a part of the story, there would be residual magnetism in the rotor and also as soon as
some tank activity starts then it would be self exciting in my opinion  the currents in the tank would cause loading on the rotor,
and that is obvious when resonance is achieved because of the loading down sound of the rotor.  An effect of induced
magnetism in the rotor maybe. The rotor see significant load.

Fact is the input power to the DC drive motor is what is pumping the tank up. Output has never even come close to exceeding
input.

Fact is they are lying to get donations from people, raising money by deception is fraud.

Sounds like you've come to defend them and their actions Void. You asked me what I was trying to achieve here, I think it's fair
I ask you the same.

What is it you are trying to achieve here Void ?

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Ha ha, Farmhand. Relax mate.  :)  I have no purpose posting here beyond just giving my opinion on this topic.
As I said, I am going to wait and see what they can come up with before I try to draw any definite conclusions about this device.
Can you point me to exactly where they claimed that they already had a self runner?

I was aware that the hookup of the antenna and ground wire was done recently, but that is what they are
saying now is what they believe necessary to  'condition the core' over time, to achieve over unity.

It is possible that the exciter tank coil is picking up the magnetic field from the drive motor, and using that as
some excitation for the toroid coils, but in some of the demos the device appears to be delivering
about at least a couple of hundred watts to the light bulb loads. That would seem to be a lot of power
to be drawing off the electric motor's surrounding magnetic field. Your statement that the rotor is definitely magnetized
appears to be speculation only. If you said that you think that could be a possibility, that seems reasonable
to me as a possibility. However, to state this as if it is absolute fact rather than speculation, does not really seem
reasonable. The rotor might become magnetized somewhat, but a person would have to test the rotor for magnetization
after it has been in use for a while to say one way or the other with certainty if it is becoming magnetized, and how much
it is magnetized if it is becoming magnetized. 
All the best...


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 27, 2014, 05:21:17 PM
Reluctance Generator:

72 references to usages and improvements of switched reluctance generators: http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=25035#.U6m_nijFKSo
http://bib.convdocs.org/v11950/?download=2
http://www.ijcaonline.org/journal/number3/pxc387189.pdf
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/7394229.pdf
http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperDownload.aspx?paperID=4036

Nothing new.  The core is initially energized to build a remnant magnetism in the steel if one is not present or naturally decays after periods of time of non usage.  Therein lies the genuine function of the mythical magical "quantum exciter coil".  Had the rotor been made of wood, that would indeed be very interesting.

I just might have to break out another can of "wait see" virus prevention.  Last can damn there took me out.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on August 27, 2014, 06:36:21 PM
@Void
"...
Your statement that the rotor is definitely magnetized
appears to be speculation only.
....
"
It is definitely magnetized, by the earth magnetic field! This is enough with the variable reluctance for induce current in coil, and start the system.
Look before in this post the simulation of Ariovaldo, or the mine. Without a very little magnetic field, the system doesn't start.
And please can you indicate a place on earth without a little magnetic field?
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 27, 2014, 07:17:24 PM
@Void
"...
Your statement that the rotor is definitely magnetized
appears to be speculation only.
....
"
It is definitely magnetized, by the earth magnetic field! This is enough with the variable reluctance for induce current in coil, and start the system.
Look before in this post the simulation of Ariovaldo, or the mine. Without a very little magnetic field, the system doesn't start.
And please can you indicate a place on earth without a little magnetic field?
@+

Hi Isim. I personally don't have a lot of faith in simulations as being hard evidence.
It would be nice if Mr. Robitaille could take the rotor out of his core after
running the device for a while, and measure the magnetization on the rotor
with a suitable gauss meter. It could be that the device does produce a significant
amount of electricity with only a low magnetization on the rotor, but it would
nice to confirm with some actual measurements of residual magnetization on the
rotor immediately after running the device for a while under load. I am not sure if
the rotor is difficult to remove from the assembly however.
 :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 27, 2014, 08:38:14 PM
Extra! Extra! read all about it!   http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/08/27/qeg-project-updates-and-transformations

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First, we need to express that WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS NOT EASY!
  August 27, 2014

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The QEG is portable, the size of an average home generator, can easily hook up to your existing electrical system, and weighs approximately 120 pounds. The QEG can power your entire home, several of them can power anything from a skyscraper to a cruise ship, and you will never have to pay an electric bill ever again.
http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/what-is-the-qeg-.html  March 2014.


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Between the technical work that James is trying to do, and the intense travel schedule, and providing the most detailed and transparent updates to everyone, we’ve certainly met our share of challenges along the way.
Intense travel schedule?  That must be con code for 30 day vacation get-aways.  Self imposed and non contributing travels at that.  Instead of working locally, FTW goes to places lacking both components and building equipment.  Places yet to be both ever mentioned again and "Saved" as was the original claim mind you.  Uups, I just screwed the pouch on FTW's out of site is out of mind hypnotic money lure.

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We gave away this suppressed technology for free through opensourcing.
So you gave away a suppressed reluctance generator?  The inverse of which is powering the desk fans of houses all over the planet.  Open sourcing?  You mean a pdf file of an electric circuit had a link to download from?  Sort of like the billions of other electrical circuit schematics that can be downloaded for free.

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Now engineers all over the world have a starting point for experimenting with this particular way of harnessing energy.
They already had a starting point for decades now.  But who am I to rain on your delusions of grandeur parade.  72 references to switched reluctance generators: http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?PaperID=25035#.U6m_nijFKSo

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We are transparently reporting our progress DURING the research and co-development stages.
If I done so once I done it 100 times.  No longer going to comment on that one.

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We are not selling anything.
Instead you are directing all the heavy cost items to "select" sources for purchase (cough kick cough back).  You are structuring a multi level market percent give back to you.  You are receiving large donations for over a year, money of which could have installed multiple gas powered or solar power water pump systems in the places you used as bait.

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You may or may not have heard about this, but it noteworthy to highlight it here. This special on 60 minutes features the “Bloom Box”. It’s a new energy source that was developed that uses fuel cells. It does require a small amount of fuel to operate, but we have a suspicion that this was only done so that the company would be “allowed” to develop this product.
I know I heard about bloom box but those you hopegirl want to target are those who have not and those you know who will not bother to research bloom box.  This gets you more funding by using examples that have nothing to so with your qeg scam.  As predictable as a meth head without a fix and a pocket full of change your current blog uses yet again the history of non related ventures as support for your revenue.  Michael Jordan was once kicked from a team but look at him now?  She actually implied the qeg will work because Jordan and a few singers failed once but won out in the end.  I cannot believe people fall for hopegirl's Bee Ess.  But we have a suspicion?  I rest my case.

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In our stages of development there were additional expenses that went above and beyond what we originally put in our phase 3 budget.
Do tell.

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Every contribution no matter how big or small helps us to maintain the work that we do and allows us to report our results to the people....
To keep our transactions clean, we are closing donations on the QEG phase3 go fund me campaign. [paypal link]
Yet, using paypal.  What does she mean by "clean"?  The funding sites started to crack down?


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Is it self running yet?

We have a well thought out strategy for the announcement of this. It will be opensourced to everyone so that it can be protected from suppression. To do this right, there is a lot of preparation work involved that will take some time, during which we are carefully providing open transparent information on the blogs that is safe to release in the interim.
That is long winded con code for NO.

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Where can I buy one?
...
For engineers that are interested in purchasing and building a QEG so that they can experiment and co-develop with us you can purchase a core from Torelco and the rest of the QEG kit from Tesla Energy Solutions LLC. T
Please walk through this kick back, I mean, this door.

Cough, clears throat...  And what of the UK report?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 27, 2014, 09:38:54 PM
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 27, 2014, 10:00:13 PM
I was aware that the hookup of the antenna and ground wire was done recently, but that is what they are
saying now is what they believe necessary to  'condition the core' over time, to achieve over unity.
Welcome aboard mate. I'm with you and I feel your frustration with this bunch here. Conditioning the core is a complex set of issues. There has been some discussion on be-do.com that conditioning the core could take weeks, possibly months or even years. It is however known that gongs play an important role, as might humming and meditation to create the necessary local energy field to imbue the QEG core with the necessary qualities so as to achieve OU.  Thus far I believe at the last count they had gotten the overall system efficiency (power out to power in) level up to around 30%. Hopegirl and the team in the UK applied a considerable amount of gong energy (from 20 or so gongs), and it was believed Jamie was just minutes away from breaking the OU barrier before they had to leave and catch a flight back home. Unfortunately, now back home in PA he and the others that returned with him have not been able to muster the same level of euphoric gongness. I believe, HopeGirl is hosting a crowd funding event in the fall at their home to save the family homestead. She has announced that there will be a live demo of the QEG, and there should I hope be enough experienced gong and meditation folks to create the right conditions to again try and condition a QEG core.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 27, 2014, 10:23:49 PM
Ahhh, well going from memory it is the "exciter" coil and the 1.3 Mhz frquency is supposed to condition the core, I think the sparks
are supposed to help as well.

What I think James actually said was, "the Energy for the conditioning of the core is coming from the Earth", he stated that
I think, just after showing the bulb being lit between the machine and the ground stake, supposedly made possible by the antenna.
I think is the line he's pushing. However, there is no reason for us to believe that he didn't just light the bulb by connecting one
end of the output directly to ground then connect the bulb between the ground (another stake) and the "hot" end of the output coil.
Creating the illusion that he lit the bulb between the machine and the ground or between the antenna and the ground. Simple.

So his claim with the antenna was that it was allowing the energy from the ground to light the bulb and also that that energy he
demonstrates lighting the bulb is the energy that he will use to "condition" the core.

Saying the core is being conditioned by "OU Free energy",
( Oooooohhhhh look the bulb lights connected to the ground and I have an antenna up so that's free energy proof, conditioning
the core with free energy )  yay. Send money quick !!! Noah Built an Ark, ok. 

Trust Me .  ;D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1ILPl5FQaM

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 28, 2014, 12:52:00 AM
Welcome aboard mate. I'm with you and I feel your frustration with this bunch here. Conditioning the core is a complex set of issues. There has been some discussion on be-do.com that conditioning the core could take weeks, possibly months or even years. It is however known that gongs play an important role, as might humming and meditation to create the necessary local energy field to imbue the QEG core with the necessary qualities so as to achieve OU.  Thus far I believe at the last count they had gotten the overall system efficiency (power out to power in) level up to around 30%. Hopegirl and the team in the UK applied a considerable amount of gong energy (from 20 or so gongs), and it was believed Jamie was just minutes away from breaking the OU barrier before they had to leave and catch a flight back home. Unfortunately, now back home in PA he and the others that returned with him have not been able to muster the same level of euphoric gongness. I believe, HopeGirl is hosting a crowd funding event in the fall at their home to save the family homestead. She has announced that there will be a live demo of the QEG, and there should I hope be enough experienced gong and meditation folks to create the right conditions to again try and condition a QEG core.

Whoaaaoooooommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........

Are you Experienced?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0JvF9vpqx8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0JvF9vpqx8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 28, 2014, 01:07:02 AM
That last blurb by Naima was so transparently awful that I don't have the stomach to comment.  I will just curl up in a ball instead....

Moving on...  I am finding all of this humming and humming in rresonannnce with big ggongs and all that stuff is curiously and surprisingly pleasurable.  I tingle just thinking about it.  Who would have thought humming could be so pleasurable?

So I am starting a new business and latching onto the QEG bandwagon!  Jump on suckers before you miss the wave!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 28, 2014, 01:55:55 AM
@MH. Great fan of TP. Not sure from whence you hail, but if you are in the area perhaps we could trip along together to visit HG, via Terelco for a factory tour.........I'm sure they would invest in mass producing your device, could be sold as a value added extra to their cores or something.....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rfacts on August 28, 2014, 09:56:18 AM
Not all at Morocco fell for the unsupported claims made by Fix The World.

Published on Aug 27, 2014
re: QEG power measurements: Peak to peak power readings Vs RMS power readings
(Mr. Jalepino with Morocco QEG 4:46 time stamp, Techical Moderator for The Sustainable Media Co-operative Consortium)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c6tgywhZpE

Published on Apr 27, 2014 
QEG - Morocco Has Resonance!!!  (James Robitaille with Morocco QEG,  FTW )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNh1xyg_8w

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 28, 2014, 03:01:38 PM
WARMING DO NOT READ IF IN A WEEKEND STATE OF MIND OR ARE FEELING BILIOUS....

Hot off the press: "It's not easy.." "We gave away this suppressed technology....." "We are sharing the benefits with everyone..." "Something similar has already been done on the corporate level..." " We are harnessing ZPE..." "We have brought forth engineerings that no longer need to hide..." "We’ve discovered that the energy principles we are working with on the QEG will apply to many different devices as well..."  HG snippets..

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/08/27/qeg-project-updates-and-transformations/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/08/27/qeg-project-updates-and-transformations/)

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/pennsylvania-usa/561-technical-update-from-james-robitaille (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/pennsylvania-usa/561-technical-update-from-james-robitaille)

@MH: Are you still curled up in the fetal position humming to yourself? You might wish to stay like that and not read these latest statements, less you further damage your mind.... If you have hair you will be ripping it out, I've already lost an eyebrow and can no longer go out in public.  I've also developed on unsettling twitch...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 28, 2014, 04:13:06 PM
Not all at Morocco fell for the unsupported claims made by Fix The World.

Published on Aug 27, 2014
re: QEG power measurements: Peak to peak power readings Vs RMS power readings
(Mr. Jalepino with Morocco QEG 4:46 time stamp, Techical Moderator for The Sustainable Media Co-operative Consortium)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c6tgywhZpE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-c6tgywhZpE)

Published on Apr 27, 2014 
QEG - Morocco Has Resonance!!!  (James Robitaille with Morocco QEG,  FTW )
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNh1xyg_8w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BgNh1xyg_8w)

What is "RMS Power" ?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TheCell on August 28, 2014, 04:17:47 PM
Root Mean Square of Volts is directly proportional to average of power
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 28, 2014, 04:54:14 PM
Root Mean Square of Volts is directly proportional to average of power
Root Mean Squared voltage is directly proportional to average power, but the proportion is not fixed.  Rms voltage * rms current yields apparent power.  Where the voltage and current are both sine waves of the same frequency, rms voltage * rms current * cos(theta) yields real power and rms voltage * rms current * sin(theta) yields reactive power.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 28, 2014, 05:59:05 PM
Root Mean Square of Volts is directly proportional to average of power
I did not ask about RMS Volts or Average Power. I asked "What is RMS Power?"

The 'explanation' given in the linked video talks about RMS Power. I want to know what that is, and how it applies to anything. What is the physical meaning of "RMS Power"? Should we trust an explanation of power measurement from someone who talks to us about "RMS Power", even if he is (maybe accidentally) right about some other stuff?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 28, 2014, 06:05:31 PM
RMS Power ??? haha, I seen a small expensive portable oscilloscope in one of Mr cleans video's where he shows a value on the
scope of "RMS Power" if I remember correctly, I think it was Gyula that questioned it then, he asked what resistor he was using
and to see the menu's, so it had a Current sensing ability and calculated power based on the resistor value selected  ect.
I think mr clean claimed RMS power and the concept of RMS power was questioned by someone not sure if it was Gyula or
some other poster. Mr clean was reading what the scope said. ( by the way mr clean has multiple OU claims), almost everything
he builds he has claimed as "OU by measurement", although he was far less clueless than I was at the time regarding AC power
measurement.

RMS Power doesn't make much sense even to me. We only use "Volts RMS" or "RMS Volts" when dealing with sine waves and only
for voltage or "Voltage drop across a resistor" to determine "RMS Current" don't we ? If we apply the RMS calculation to the voltage
and "current sense" sine waves then the VA is already "RMS'ed" and everything coming from that must also be already "RMS'ed".

I can see how VA might be mistakenly quoted as P to p VA but personally I see that as a pointless value.
Any V x A I do is always RMS values for sine waves.

P.S. I got the non inductive resistors from DIGIKEY and I was wondering some things.

1) Is it Ok to take measurements with my grounded scope if the device is "Isolated", as in running from a battery and not
connected to the ground ?

2) Is there still a chance of "ground loops" at these frequencies even with an isolated scope, due to displacement ?

What would be best practice with respect to isolation for taking scope measurements on this device considering the device
doesn't need to be ground connected ?

I'm also testing extra coils in series with the "Main Tanks" to increase the voltage for fluro's, I used 200 turns of 0.5 mm wire
on an "outer joiner" for 90mm PVC, no real need to tank that coil it works a treat, now I can get over 600 mA at 12.4 volts
input while lighting a 300 mm fluro tube form one side with the extra coil and the fluro is now brighter and looks like it could
get a bit brighter yet still. So I'm making progress on the potential required at this frequency to get the fluro "properly lit up",

Still have an issue, I can't easily produce reasonable video, new phone video is very dark under lights. My old Video camera
won't export to my laptop without a small firewire connection, I've got a USB to firewire but that doesn't work for the video
camera, looks like I need a new digital video camera that uses a micro SD/SD card. grrrr. The old ways are becoming a pain.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 28, 2014, 07:31:53 PM
I did not ask about RMS Volts or Average Power. I asked "What is RMS Power?"

The 'explanation' given in the linked video talks about RMS Power. I want to know what that is, and how it applies to anything. What is the physical meaning of "RMS Power"? Should we trust an explanation of power measurement from someone who talks to us about "RMS Power", even if he is (maybe accidentally) right about some other stuff?
That's a stupid question TK. We both know that RMS Power is used by EE's and EEE's with an artistic bent. I personally prefer the term "Quadratic Power". I feel the use of longer and more complex words adds gravitas to what your are saying, especially when talking to the general public or would be investor.


Getting serious for moment: I think RMS power is a vestige of the audio amp wars. http://www.hifi-writer.com/he/misc/rmspower.htm (http://www.hifi-writer.com/he/misc/rmspower.htm)  It's a meaningless marketing term, which is why Hopeless Girl and Jamie us it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 28, 2014, 07:52:59 PM
I don't think the guy who was talking in the video used the term 'RMS power',
although I just watched the video through once and may have missed it. Whoever posted up the
video used the term 'RMS power' in the video title and video comment, but the person
who posted the video may be a different person than the person who is talking in the video. I don't know.

What the person who was talking in the video spoke about sounds about right.
Whoever posted up the video is apparently not aware of the correct terminology, so mistakenly called
it 'RMS Power'. Of course it is termed average power. The RMS values of the voltage and current
times the power factor gives the average (true/real) power for sinusoidal waveforms.

Some of you folks seem to be desperately looking for any little small thing to use in your religious crusade against
claims of potential overunity by evil heretics. Perhaps we should be preparing to burn them all at the stake?  ;D
Long live the religious crusade! Keep holding on with deep blind faith that all claims of overunity are impossible
and are therefore automatically heresy. Keep hurling the insults and accusations of fraud and scams,
even if you have no solid evidence of such fraud, as it is all OK because our blind faith tells us that all such
claims are absolutely impossible and could never be true. Therefore, based on our deep blind faith,
we are perfectly justified in attacking all those who consider things which are not supported by our faith.
These evil unclean heretics must be attacked and completely annihilated lest horrible heretical thoughts
of overunity and free energy be allowed to spread, and cause others to potentially question the views of
reality as held by us prophets of the one and only true reality.  ;) Burn them! Burn the heretics at the stake!
Glory to the only true reality! Death and destruction to all heretics!  We must not rest a moment until they are
completely wiped from our midst!  :o
Yadda yadda yadda....

Something either works as claimed, or it doesn't.
People can often be mistaken. It is normal in this world.
It doesn't mean they are necessarily frauds or scammers, although sometimes they may
turn out to be so.
Sometimes people turn out to be right about new concepts. That may
not be so common, but it is good when that happens.

 :)




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 28, 2014, 08:14:42 PM
...

P.S. I got the non inductive resistors from DIGIKEY and I was wondering some things.

1) Is it Ok to take measurements with my grounded scope if the device is "Isolated", as in running from a battery and not
connected to the ground ?

2) Is there still a chance of "ground loops" at these frequencies even with an isolated scope, due to displacement ?

What would be best practice with respect to isolation for taking scope measurements on this device considering the device
doesn't need to be ground connected ?

I'm also testing extra coils in series with the "Main Tanks" to increase the voltage for fluro's, I used 200 turns of 0.5 mm wire
on an "outer joiner" for 90mm PVC, no real need to tank that coil it works a treat, now I can get over 600 mA at 12.4 volts
input while lighting a 300 mm fluro tube form one side with the extra coil and the fluro is now brighter and looks like it could
get a bit brighter yet still. So I'm making progress on the potential required at this frequency to get the fluro "properly lit up",

Still have an issue, I can't easily produce reasonable video, new phone video is very dark under lights. My old Video camera
won't export to my laptop without a small firewire connection, I've got a USB to firewire but that doesn't work for the video
camera, looks like I need a new digital video camera that uses a micro SD/SD card. grrrr. The old ways are becoming a pain.

..

Hi Farmhand.

1) Yes, it should be OK if the scope is earth grounded if using a battery, but if you are also using an earth
ground connection in your circuitry then you will still have to watch out for possible ground loops, depending
where you connect the scope probe ground connectors. Connecting earth ground at certain points in a circuit can also
alter the behavior of high voltage AC circuits as you no doubt are already aware, so that can potentially alter
measurement results as well.

2) Not sure, but connecting in a scope ground into a high voltage AC circuit even if you have the scope
isolated from ground can still act as a sort of ground to the circuit and potentially alter circuit behavior somewhat.
Depends on the exact circuit configuration and voltages and frequencies and connection point. Something to consider if you
are getting strange or unexpected measurement results.

If you isolate your scope from earth ground it might help in the case where you have an earth ground
also connected into the circuit being measured, but if you place the scope probe ground clip connectors
at the earth ground point when measuring you should still be OK. If you have more than one earth
ground connection in the circuit then you might have issues. The way you have been connecting
your scope probes when measuring across your load looked OK to me, based on the diagram you posted previously.
Always when making measurements we should be comparing results to what would seem to make
sense, and if we are getting measured results that don't seem to make sense then we need
to investigate and see if there could be something wrong with the way we are measuring, or something
else that we may be overlooking. 

All the best...
 :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 28, 2014, 08:43:42 PM

Some of you folks seem to be desperately looking for any little small thing to use in your religious crusade against
claims of potential overunity by evil heretics. Perhaps we should be preparing to burn them all at the stake?  ;D
Long live the religious crusade! Keep holding on with deep blind faith that all claims of overunity are impossible
and are therefore automatically heresy. Keep hurling the insults and accusations of fraud and scams,
even if you have no solid evidence of such fraud, as it is all OK because our blind faith tells us that all such
claims are absolutely impossible and could never be true. Therefore, based on our deep blind faith,
we are perfectly justified in attacking all those who consider things which are not supported by our faith.
These evil unclean heretics must be attacked and completely annihilated lest horrible heretical thoughts
of overunity and free energy be allowed to spread, and cause others to potentially question the views of
reality as held by us prophets of the one and only true reality.  ;) Burn them! Burn the heretics at the stake!
Glory to the only true reality! Death and destruction to all heretics!  We must not rest a moment until they are
completely wiped from our midst!  :o
Yadda yadda yadda....
Void your mind is quite obvious stuck in a void. There is a long history to all of this, you need to go back to and take a day or two to read this tread. I suggest starting at around page 65. Some of us here have impacted the public discussion about their claims. We brought to their attention the ignorant use of peak power upon which Jamie claims of OU were originally based. Upon being wholly embarrassed in Morocco, the QEGers adopted the nonsensical use of "RMS" power and very quickly jumped ship from sourcing power from the secondary, and instead lead a crowd funding effort based upon claims of OU reactive power in the primary circuit, which as any 1st year student knows is just the stored energy built up overtime in tank circuit from all that mechanically driven parametric activity. Jamie and the gang have exposed their ignorance of electrical engineering on numerous occasions over the past five or so months as this saga has unfolded. His latest endeavor is to use an antenna to harness power from the local broadcast radio or TV station, which is completely illegal by the way.


I think you might feel better if you signed up to be-do.com, where your appreciation will be much better received and where your explanations of electrical engineering terms might be less insulting to the general audience.  In fact I'm a member and I have a great time over there, although the one-a-day posting gets a bit boring, much like watching paint dry with all the activity and intellectual commentary and such.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Void on August 28, 2014, 10:01:41 PM
PCB, you are barking up the wrong tree mate. I am not the slightest bit interested in
the belief wars and holy crusades of the true believers here who are imagining that they
are on a Holy mission to save the world, and I mean all those who are on both sides of the belief wars. 
That was kind of the point of my comment.   ;)

People are making all sorts of bad measurements and/or making incorrect assumptions
in these forums and in youtube videos all the time. it is nothing new at all.
I am only interested in facts. Does something work as claimed, or at least partially as
claimed, or not? If many people seem incapable of understanding constructive suggestions on how
to improve their measurements, or on correcting incorrect assumptions they have, then
that's par for the course. Nothing new. It is the way of this world. Better to relax and
take what is useful, and ignore what is not... Life is too short.

All the best...
 :)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 28, 2014, 10:59:16 PM
PCB, you are barking up the wrong tree mate. I am not the slightest bit interested in
the belief wars and holy crusades of the true believers here who are imagining that they
are on a Holy mission to save the world, and I mean all those who are on both sides of the belief wars. 
That was kind of the point of my comment.   ;)

People are making all sorts of bad measurements and/or making incorrect assumptions
in these forums and in youtube videos all the time. it is nothing new at all.
I am only interested in facts. Does something work as claimed, or at least partially as
claimed, or not? If many people seem incapable of understanding constructive suggestions on how
to improve their measurements, or on correcting incorrect assumptions they have, then
that's par for the course. Nothing new. It is the way of this world. Better to relax and
take what is useful, and ignore what is not... Life is too short.

All the best...
 :)
Well if that's your position then the answer is simple. No the QEG does not work as claimed. Neither has any deadline ever been met. And yes fraud is a valid way to describe what is transpiring with the solicitations for six figures of mula. What measurements that have been taken demonstrate that in the efficiency numbers, sub 30%.  This circuit simulation was able to match also identically the waveforms displayed by Jamie etal.

www.energiederzukunft.org/forum/5-allgem...-generator?start=198 (http://www.energiederzukunft.org/forum/5-allgemeines-forum/2988-quantum-energy-generator?start=198)[/font][/size]

You have joined us at a time when we are really just treading water. TK, being so bored with the level of activity, took matters into is own hands and created the miraculous solid state miniQEG, which is the only device with the name QEG attached that has been shown through very detailed measurement to be OU. We know in our hearts that is is'nt but TK and the rest of us do not know why.  Farmhand, being similarly inspired has done his own exploration, but requires much propping up as he has difficulty with vector math. These are all facts which can be explored in the varied and sometimes detailed pages of this thread. Happy reading.!

PS. Jamie may have been mistaken at the beginning when he first measured the power levels of his device as he undoubtedly used peak-to-peak values (8 time more power than was really present), but he has long since crossed over to the darkside to maintain funding for this charade.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 28, 2014, 11:29:56 PM
The area under the curve product power.  HA, top that  :P
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 29, 2014, 01:28:46 AM
PCB:

I am slowly recovering from the read.  Too much work for a full rebuttal, plus most of my my comments would be repeats if one was to read the full thread.  But seriously, if I was just to copy the text and then paste and put in bold everything that was offensive and/or just plain wrong, probably about 2/3 of the text would be highlighted.  It was like ingesting toxins!

But I can just go ooooommmmmmmm... and flip on the switch and dial in my "excitation" frequency; you might get harmonic resonance ectoplasm.  (They can use it for tacking down the magnet wire when they make coils.)

Farmhand:

A battery-scope lead directly across a CSR anywhere in the circuit would be fine and there are no displacement currents to worry about.  The real term is just "stray capacitance."  Then you do a simple thought experiment: How much stray capacitance is there between my multimeter leads and the rest of the circuit?  Well, that's a giant air capacitor with tiny tiny plates.  If you know the formula for the capacitance between two metal plates you see that keeping the distance between the plates is the key to getting high capacitance.  When the distance is 12 inches and the "plates" are thin wires, the brain does a pseudo crunch and you say to yourself "it must be pico pico pico farads or something like that."  So you can ignore it.  Then the brain takes a different tack.   You know that capacitance between two wires that are far apart is minuscule.  Therefore the only way for that to have any affect would be for the frequencies to be insanely high, way higher than the frequencies that you are operating at.

When you start working with your scope, you notice that high frequencies can have small affects on the scope waveform when the probe is close but not touching.  You notice when the probe is more than two inches away the high frequency on your display disappears.  You start develop a sixth sense about stray capacitance and the frquency content and amplitude of your waveform.  Just like you become aware that large currents in wires will produce magnetic fields that may cause unwanted couplings.  Likewise, you are aware when you have high current in a pair of wires going in opposite directions (like a power cord) that the two fields are canceling each other out.

That leads to an interesting observation:  If you look at the signal layers of a multi-layer PCB, you will notice that the traces in adjacent layers are often at right angles to each other.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 29, 2014, 01:58:38 AM
@MH

Sorry to put you into toxic shock, but if you go back a page you will see the links I posted from HG on be-do that got me going on this frenetic series of postings.  Remember its mostly  tongue in cheek... not to be taken too seriously...  sipping a small brandy, calmed down abit now, wife talking about mating slugs and them eating slim..  Incidentally, are you saying it's not illegal to hive power off your local broadcaster, and exactly which bits were incorrect?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on August 29, 2014, 02:05:36 AM
The area under the curve product power.  HA, top that  :P
That is certainly much longer but not I think quite as catchy as Quadratic Power, you would agree I'm sure?

Incidentally, I have made a good many posts today so why am I stuck at 134. I think that malfeasance might be a foot. Somebody does not want me to reach "hero" status. Actually it appears that every bodies posting counter is stuck. What's going on here? I only do this for the score...

15 min later: OK this is plan wrong, I and everybody else have had their counters frozen for many days, who do I complain to about this?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 29, 2014, 06:20:00 PM
Blind faith against and the automatic dismissal of evidence, measurements, reproduction is also important to the crusade.  WE spit on predictable repeatable accurate results.  WE have no place for such evil science and that blasphemy vial virus of manipulation called engineering.  Hummmmmm
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 30, 2014, 02:49:00 AM

Incidentally, I have made a good many posts today so why am I stuck at 134. I think that malfeasance might be a foot. Somebody does not want me to reach "hero" status. Actually it appears that every bodies posting counter is stuck. What's going on here? I only do this for the score...

15 min later: OK this is plan wrong, I and everybody else have had their counters frozen for many days, who do I complain to about this?

It appears that you are still at 134.  Perhaps you are not really posting?  Maybe you just think you are posting, or you intended to post but forgot to do so?  Possibly all of us have not really posted anything in the past few days?  I know that we think that we have but obviously, we have not.  Maybe we just need to focus our energies better when posting and then, we will have really posted?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on August 30, 2014, 03:16:57 AM
OK Bill...put the bottle down and call it an evening.

*tucks Bill in*


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 30, 2014, 03:21:10 AM
OK Bill...put the bottle down and call it an evening.

*tucks Bill in*

Hell Cap, I just got home from work.  Of course, I may not have really posted this.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on August 30, 2014, 03:24:48 AM
* applies cold compress to suppress Bill's bad dream*

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 30, 2014, 07:01:21 AM
Well if that's your position then the answer is simple. No the QEG does not work as claimed. Neither has any deadline ever been met. And yes fraud is a valid way to describe what is transpiring with the solicitations for six figures of mula. What measurements that have been taken demonstrate that in the efficiency numbers, sub 30%.  This circuit simulation was able to match also identically the waveforms displayed by Jamie etal.

www.energiederzukunft.org/forum/5-allgem...-generator?start=198 (http://www.energiederzukunft.org/forum/5-allgemeines-forum/2988-quantum-energy-generator?start=198)[/font][/size]

You have joined us at a time when we are really just treading water. TK, being so bored with the level of activity, took matters into is own hands and created the miraculous solid state miniQEG, which is the only device with the name QEG attached that has been shown through very detailed measurement to be OU. We know in our hearts that is is'nt but TK and the rest of us do not know why.  Farmhand, being similarly inspired has done his own exploration, but requires much propping up as he has difficulty with vector math. These are all facts which can be explored in the varied and sometimes detailed pages of this thread. Happy reading.!

PS. Jamie may have been mistaken at the beginning when he first measured the power levels of his device as he undoubtedly used peak-to-peak values (8 time more power than was really present), but he has long since crossed over to the darkside to maintain funding for this charade.

I didn't see anyone post any proof of any OU. The reality of the situation is that no matter how much Volts and Amps we see
in a tank and regardless of the indicated phase and the input power the actual output is not possible to be OU. It's just stored
"activity" in the tank and the output can only be a portion of that and that is all "from the supply".

I thought TK showed that the phase in his primary tank was at 90 degrees and so that would mean no real power or energy
could leave the tank or enter it. Truth is that the phase must be not quite 90 degrees in order for the tank to accept input.
The phase can never in practice stay at 90 degree exactly.

What I think should be shown is the phase variations when a tiny load is on the tank as well as when a larger load is on it.
Now if the V and A in the tank was to remain at 90 degrees no output could be got from it.

TK showed measurements on a "primary tank", whereas I am more or less ignoring the primary and measuring the induced
V and A in a secondary tank as well as the output tank which is induced by the main tank. And load powers.

Without measuring the output how can we know what it is ?

Without measuring the output we have no way of knowing any efficiency ratings.

I seen no in-out measurements indicating OU on this thread. Or any other for that matter.

I don't just have difficulty with vector maths I have never learned it never been taught it and only pick up what I can
which is difficult without any background in advanced maths.

The reality is that I don't need to know it to be able to produce the effects, I would only need the maths to try to make sense of
the measurements, the circuit continues to do what it does regardless of measurements.

Knowing how much energy it should take to get a light to a certain brightness allows us to know by just looking if something is
very efficient or very inefficient, it's the values close to 100 % that require close and careful measurement and only then if we
want to know exactly the efficiency.

So we have not seen any input to output measurements before during and after a load is taken from a resonant tank type
arrangement. That would show exactly how the phase and tank activity changes with the loads.

And as I've noticed if a low enough resistive load is placed on a resonating tank then the low resistance loading will destroy the
"Quality" factor of the tank and also destroy the resonant rise on the tank. In other words not enough energy can be input to
overcome the load and pump up the tank. Don't need vector maths to see that happen.

My main point has been that the resonant tank activity is a considerable load in itself, and that to produce and maintain that activity is a constant "cost" which most experimenters ignore. Also that just measuring the input and output to a device is
not a true indication of what it costs to be able to run it if it is connected to the paid for grid.

If one has a solar array feeding the grid and net energy exported is more than energy consumed then the grid input to a small
DC supply can be ignored and considered as a battery with a blocking diode. Same thing if we have a battery charged by the
sun, the input is already free and so measuring the efficiency of the device alone is a valid indicator of the true cost.

If there is input to output measurements I missed them.  :) I'm not slacking off by the way, I've just been quite ill again.
Almost in recovery and hope to be able to show soon the tank measurements using non inductive CSR's while under no
output loading and while under light and heavy output loading.

Fact is "right or wrong" that many readers don't believe what the educated guys say and not many educated folks show
experiments. TK being one obvious exception to that of course. What TK wants to show and what others want to see
to convince them of no OU from a resonant tank or reactive "power" might be different, maybe people want to see how
the tank activity and phase relationship between voltage and current changes with different loads and see it happen in
real time with real loads.

I've managed to increase the input to about 6 Watts while powering a fluro and increase it brightness as well, more input
means more accurate measurements. As well as that I can now show a "tank" with an extra coil in series with the tank
and the load so that coil is not "tanked" or part of the tank, I can show the voltage distribution on that coil and the tank
coil with a neon. The extra coil has a lot more inductance and resistance but not more self capacitance.

Fact is that people trained in electrical engineering and such have no more authority over the experimenters here, than a
tradesman boilermaker has over people building a steel framed go-cart in their back yard. I don't get the god given right to
make fun of people or belittle people trying to do metal fabricating in their backyard, if they were making dangerous repairs
to a vehicle that travels on public roads then that is different. With electronics the grid is that line not to cross, if we mess
with it we should do things properly and listen to advice from people educated in that discipline.

Most experimenters are only manipulating power to get odd measurements from conventional measuring equipment. Not many
are actively looking to harness energy from the environment for cheap of free.

The numbers next to the posts make no difference to me, they only indicate how often a person posts based on when the registered, and only for that account anyway, I'm sure many of the "cheer leading gate keepers" have multiple accounts.

A misconception that manipulating power will show OU has been introduced by the reactive power OU claimants and the people
claiming Tesla's power magnification methods are OU for him don't help either.

..





Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 30, 2014, 07:49:51 AM
The tank holds two forms of energy that slosh back and forth.  You can imagine that as a rotating phasor with voltage on one axis and current on the other axis.  The tip of the phasor, the rotating arrow, shows you the instantaneous voltage and current, like you see with a Lissajous figure on your scope.

There are two ways to extract energy from the tank.  When the capacitor is at the peak voltage, a load resistor across the capacitor will extract energy.  When the coil is at maximum current, a load resistor in series with the coil will extract energy.  It's just like the child on the spring-horse in a playground.  When the child is vertical, he or she is at maximum velocity, maximum kinetic energy.  So if the child is stopped quickly by a parent's hands, that's the energy discharge.  Likewise, when the child is at the bottom of the swing, all of the energy is stored in the bent spring as potential energy.  That bent spring could also be discharged by having it do some form of mechanical work.

So the QEG tank circuit is like a chlld swinging on a spring-horse in a playground.  Like Farmhand said, the energy is always seeping out of the system, and therefore to keep the same amplitude, power has to be supplied and it seeps into the tank circuit.

The QEG tank circuit is like any other LC tank circuit.  For example, tank circuits have been used in tube radios since the 1920s.  Nothing special is going on, may as well move along.

One would hope that more and more Qweegeeers that are doing the builds and working on the technical side of things would do their own research about this and figure it out for themselves.  It's really not rocket science.

The heart-breaker for the enthusiasts is that there is just no magic here.  It's all just a wild goose chase.  You are networked together and some of you might be disheartened and also feel used.  You never know what a small critical group of people that think alike can do under these circumstances.  Like, go see a lawyer.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 30, 2014, 08:19:17 AM
Yes many of these fraudsters are kind of fortunate that there is so much mayhem and evil going on in the world right now. Were
it not for all that death and misery and fear then there would be much more attention put on the frauds. However since the people
running this world are the biggest criminals of all then the FTW teams pale in comparison to murderous scum killing innocents
including women children and even babies due to the lust for control over people and money. Although a crime is a crime is a crime.
Logic tells me that by common law if a person lies to solicit funds from others based on a falsity then that is a crime and it is not
just a breach of common law, but in my opinion it's also a breach of contract law, U.C.C.. It's easy to see why the Authorities don't
act without complaint, (that's work), and the fraud is also commerce which reaps taxes. If the Authorities ignore it then tax revenue
is got from it, if they prosecute the tax stops and it costs all the tax payers money to prosecute and to punish.

It's all about the money, not about right and wrong. Looking from most angles the money rules. But from my angle, both the FTW
teams and the Authorities at fault, Witts should have been shut down long ago but they are allowed to continue. That's a big
green light to anyone that desires to scam people on the "free energy front".

While Witts ministries scams people continuously without consequences they are a big shiny beacon of hope for all the free
energy scammers, and many would like to emulate them. If Timothy doesn't face consequences, then why should any other
scammers ? He's been doing it for years. No worries at all. No free energy either.  :D

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A free energy Ponzi scheme on a couple of levels.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on August 30, 2014, 02:28:32 PM
Filming experiments involving lights can have results that would appear almost other worldly at first glance. Here's a clip from my
telephone camera showing the "extra" coil but I uploaded it mainly to show how bright the camera makes the light appear to be.
The fluro is bright, it appears much the same brightness as the grid powered fluro and has some purple near the blackened ends
but it doesn't saturate my eyes like it appears in the video. Phone camera makes it look like a light sabre type glow emanating
from it, it's not really looking like that. I don't want people to think I'm trying to make the light look brighter than it actually is, but
the other camera's adjust for the light to make the lights appear to be dim and I can use the camera to look at the writing on the
tube because the camera adjusts to darken the image.

Extra coil- Phone video light test.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ty5JUFfVEI

Shows the importance of a good light meter if it is actually a lot of light a person wants. The phones light meter has a ridiculous
resolution of what appears to be about 40 Lux. Both the grid powered fluro and the device powered fluro read 320 Lux. Going
by the table in Wiki 320 Lux would be on the lower end of "office lighting". Seems close, so an accurate light meter will be useful
to me since I am interested in the actual light emitted. Not just power in to out, but it's all interesting and relevant.

No claims just a light discussion.  ;)

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 01, 2014, 11:07:10 AM
The FTW QEG is nearly One Year Old! The 3rd of September, 2013, is the official birthday of the FTW QEG. Just five weeks from receiving their 8 thousand dollars funding, they were supposed to produce a Working Prototype. Since the campaign closed on September 13, with over twice what they asked for, you would think that they would have had no problems fulfilling the promise. Of course, since the promise was based on lies in the first place...

I wonder if there will be a big party at the Robitaille compound in Pennsylvania.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator#home (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator#home)

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In basic terms, our machine reverses the conventions used to build electric motors, i.e., instead of using low voltage/high current construction, which wastes energy, our designs use high voltage/low current construction, which gives us a HUGE surplus of energy. A portion of the surplus energy is fed back to self-power the motor, and the excess energy is collected in capacitors and converted into house current (120 or 240 volt, at 50-200 Amperes, depending on scaling). This is known as over-unity (more output than input) which traditional educational institutions have historically taught us was impossible. It is not at all impossible, and does NOT operate outside the laws of physics.
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Our system uses no fuel, fossil or otherwise, and produces zero by-products, pollutants or emissions of any kind, except a bit of audible noise, which is similar to that produced in any mechanical generator system, and can easily be minimized in the design and packaging.


One year ago! Imagine that. This fiasco has been going on for an entire YEAR and people are still ordering cores from Torelco. Can the obsolete first generation cores be traded in for credit on the newer core designs that can withstand the voltage? What about all those people who have bought and erected 1.3 MHz antenna-exciter coil systems? Can they be exchanged for the new 7 MHz system?

Oh... by the way, how was the 7MHz frequency determined? We had a calculation presented that justified the 1.3MHz figure... what happened to that calculation, and what is the new method for calculating the 7MHz value?

"120 or 240 volt, at 50-200 Amperes", all you need to do is spin up to Resonance and it will run itself, and it can be started with a crank mechanism.
 
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All that’s needed is to spin the machine up to resonance. At that point it will run itself. It can be
started using existing electrical power if available, or a crank mechanism, or a battery powered
motor-start system. A battery start system could also keep its own batteries fully charged, by
tapping some power from the generator.
Still up today:
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=5


Hey, I'll donate a hundred dollars if they'll post a video showing HopeGirl starting up a QEG using a crank mechanism. If they can show it putting out 200 amps at 240 volts, I'll sell my car and buy a core from Torelco myself.
Until then I'll just continue rolling on the floor, laughing my ass off.




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 03, 2014, 02:18:59 AM
Hopeless Girl is doing a phone interview tomorrow:


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/expandinguradio/2014/09/03/an-expose-of-free-energy-whopegirl
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 03, 2014, 06:31:21 PM
"Well past conception and Into actual manifistation"  that's what the "sole sisters of the divine feminine" actual believe has happened.


You need a strong stomach to listen to this interview. Please beware and have a bowel close by just in case.


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/expandinguradio/2014/09/03/an-expose-of-free-energy-whopegirl?AID=CJSource&utm_source=CJ&PID=6156512


Her supporters believe free energy is something you can teach yourself and buy most of what you need on Ebay. 



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 03, 2014, 08:11:10 PM
"Well past conception and Into actual manifistation"  that's what the "sole sisters of the divine feminine" actual believe has happened.


You need a strong stomach to listen to this interview. Please beware and have a bowel close by just in case.


http://www.blogtalkradio.com/expandinguradio/2014/09/03/an-expose-of-free-energy-whopegirl?AID=CJSource&utm_source=CJ&PID=6156512


Her supporters believe free energy is something you can teach yourself and buy most of what you need on Ebay.
I thought it was hilarious.  She is truly shameless.  She should hook up with Mark Goldes.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 03, 2014, 09:46:34 PM
The more she talks, the more frustrated and puzzled the QEG teams in Morocco, Taiwan, the UK, Germany, Canada, South Africa, Florida, and even James, at home in Pennsylvania must be. It's easy, a done deal, just build it according to the plans and start it up, when you get resonance it will run itself and provide 240 volts, 50 amps or more to run your home. You can even start it up with a crank mechanism. It says so right in the FAQs!

So all those teams must be stupid, incompetent, can't even follow simple plans.... OR perhaps there is another explanation.

So why haven't all those teams, who have been working on the device for six months or more, been able to do what HopeGirl claimed was easy and simple, ONE FULL YEAR ago on 3rd September 2013 when the IndieGoGo fundraiser was begun? I know why, and so does everyone else who has watched my microQEG video playlist.

I really cannot listen to the podcast. Did anyone ask her why even James can't get one working, when she said they worked already, a year ago?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 03, 2014, 10:21:05 PM
The more she talks, the more frustrated and puzzled the QEG teams in Morocco, Taiwan, the UK, Germany, Canada, South Africa, Florida, and even James, at home in Pennsylvania must be. It's easy, a done deal, just build it according to the plans and start it up, when you get resonance it will run itself and provide 240 volts, 50 amps or more to run your home. You can even start it up with a crank mechanism. It says so right in the FAQs!

So all those teams must be stupid, incompetent, can't even follow simple plans.... OR perhaps there is another explanation.

So why haven't all those teams, who have been working on the device for six months or more, been able to do what HopeGirl claimed was easy and simple, ONE FULL YEAR ago on 3rd September 2013 when the IndieGoGo fundraiser was begun? I know why, and so does everyone else who has watched my microQEG video playlist.

I really cannot listen to the podcast. Did anyone ask her why even James can't get one working, when she said they worked already, a year ago?
The podcast was as I said hilarious.  She has moved the goal posts.  Her current sack of lies is:

They no longer claim OU.
They claim a COP > 1.
They are on Phase III, the hunt for a self-runner.  (Of course this phase will never complete.)
She is a victim of others who: a. Are public speakers, b. Have working free energy machines of their own but rather than make trillions generating power, these people keep their secrets hidden so that they can sell books and DVDs.  These people also bad mouth new entrants like fraud girl.  c. Operatives paid by the government and the energy industry to hold off free energy by criticizing the likes of fraud girl.

You should really listen to the podcast, because it really is hilarious how self-congratulatory they are even though they've blown every promise.  and there is the special bonus of a ctachy free energy rap tune.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 04, 2014, 08:20:03 AM
Till this day, still, the infamous open source "documents" in all its incorrect plural usage glory spread throughout the web has neither been updated with the various mutations of qeg or corrected to at least include a full wave bridge rectifier to the DC motor.  It was done in cut and paste smash and grab style.  How the typical scammer rolls.

Just as I said it will not be updated so shall it remain.  As for her interviews, alley cats screeching into the night sound better.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 04, 2014, 08:33:42 AM
The more she talks, the more frustrated and puzzled the QEG teams in Morocco, Taiwan, the UK, Germany, Canada, South Africa, Florida, and even James, at home in Pennsylvania must be. It's easy, a done deal, just build it according to the plans and start it up, when you get resonance it will run itself and provide 240 volts, 50 amps or more to run your home. You can even start it up with a crank mechanism. It says so right in the FAQs!

So all those teams must be stupid, incompetent, can't even follow simple plans.... OR perhaps there is another explanation.

So why haven't all those teams, who have been working on the device for six months or more, been able to do what HopeGirl claimed was easy and simple, ONE FULL YEAR ago on 3rd September 2013 when the IndieGoGo fundraiser was begun? I know why, and so does everyone else who has watched my microQEG video playlist.

I really cannot listen to the podcast. Did anyone ask her why even James can't get one working, when she said they worked already, a year ago?

Don't rule out the 5,000 Engineers in China working under the High Level men in China.  Or the other High Level contacts monitoring the web feeding her search statistics.  Or her every 30 days "major updates" insinuated she is ready to flip the switch!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 05, 2014, 01:03:21 AM
I think we know that we aren't going to get more than the party line from the Fix the World group.  I don't think there is much more to say on the technical level, it was pretty much covered as beast as could be several months ago without having any faithful replicators to work interactively with.

The next real step is for the replicators to report their results honestly and to the best of their abilities on Be-Do or perhaps even here.  Will that happen is the real question.  It seems the temptation to go dark has a stronger lure.  However, being honest trumps the temptation to go dark in my opinion.

Then there is the other problem that certainly affects perhaps the majority of the replicators.  It's the problem of jumping into something that you might be enthusiastic about but aren't really competent in.   So you have a double whammy where you have an under unity true and faithful replication and a replicator that is simply not competent to do a real analysis.  So that represents a significant psychological "double-whammy" hurdle to overcome.

It takes years of study and application to truly understand and design electronic circuuits.  It takes years of study and application to become a master chef.

A Joe Blow off the street walks into a store and buys a USB scope and all of a sudden he is a free energy researcher.

A Jow Blow off the street walks into the kitchen of a five-star restaurant and knows that he can only make toast and fry eggs and won't last half a day.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 05, 2014, 01:16:30 AM
I think we know that we aren't going to get more than the party line from the Fix the World group.  I don't think there is much more to say on the technical level, it was pretty much covered as beast as could be several months ago without having any faithful replicators to work interactively with.

The next real step is for the replicators to report their results honestly and to the best of their abilities on Be-Do or perhaps even here.  Will that happen is the real question.  It seems the temptation to go dark has a stronger lure.  However, being honest trumps the temptation to go dark in my opinion.

Then there is the other problem that certainly affects perhaps the majority of the replicators.  It's the problem of jumping into something that you might be enthusiastic about but aren't really competent in.   So you have a double whammy where you have an under unity true and faithful replication and a replicator that is simply not competent to do a real analysis.  So that represents a significant psychological "double-whammy" hurdle to overcome.

It takes years of study and application to truly understand and design electronic circuuits.  It takes years of study and application to become a master chef.

A Joe Blow off the street walks into a store and buys a USB scope and all of a sudden he is a free energy researcher.

A Jow Blow off the street walks into the kitchen of a five-star restaurant and knows that he can only make toast and fry eggs and won't last half a day.
Don't you see the democratizing effect of free energy research?  A Joe blow with a $100. USB scope and a $25. Arduino is just as likely to discover free energy as all the well financed folks such as John Bedini are.  That's what I like about a number of the people who do build stuff.   These are folks who enjoy the practice of trying out ideas and seeing what happens.  Russ Griese, Tommey Reed, Tinman, Farmhand are all examples of people who get their hands dirty and report openly and honestly what they see.  They don't shamelessly misrepresent that they have discovered some secrets that they will sell for $19.95 a pop.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 05, 2014, 01:36:12 AM
Yes indeed.  I had a wonderful time playing with 74LSXX TTL chips and op-amps and writing machine code way back when.  Breadboard City.  I wasn't looking for free energy but that's besides the point.  But I threw it all out 20 years ago.  It's great fun to see circuits come to life.  The National Semiconductor applications books were great because they were such a "cheat" if you wanted to do something special.  So I built the integrator and the differentiator and got a "satisfying" result when I swept the input.  Then there was the quadrature oscillator which was cool.  You can make a Cartesian coordinate rotator with a quadrature oscillator and some analog multipliers!  You can see the atomic energy symbol on your scope display by rotating a sine wave at the right harmonic resonance.  lol  It really was fun but then then Puff the Magic Dragon effect came into play.

If there is anything I still lust for is that first generation of analog scopes from the early 90s that had the moving cursors on the display to automate measuring time and frequency.  I suspect that there was a separate beam that was on during the main beam fly-back that gave you the moving cursors and the alphanumerics.  They were so cool and I haven't ever looked them up.  If they aren't making them anymore for sure they are on eBay.  They were just beautiful!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 05, 2014, 01:58:04 AM
Go analog!

http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/showthread.php/4996-Analog-scan-rotator?s=b7b044a5f337bcbee21d67474364412a (http://www.photonlexicon.com/forums/showthread.php/4996-Analog-scan-rotator?s=b7b044a5f337bcbee21d67474364412a)

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Hi PhotonLexicon,

I want to build an analog scan rotator (for any angle, not just flip X/Y).

Mathematically:
Xrotated = X * COS(angle) - Y * SIN(angle)
Yrotated = X * SIN(angle) + Y * COS(angle)

Can I use an op-amp to compute the COS and SIN functions?

Kind regards,

weartronics

Yes you can!  (But easier if you use analog multiplier chips!)    Tinman?  Farmhand?   ;D

You will get the most mind-blowing scope displays by exploring how all sorts of frequency ratios between the rotation speed and the input frequency line up in time and space.  For example, you have your x voltage input and your y voltage input.  The output of your circuit goes to the x and y inputs of your scope.  You can start with leaving the y input at zero, and just play with the x input.   Say you put a 1 kHz sine wave into the x input with zero offset.  Then you play with the rotation frequency of your analog rotator and you will get circular flower-like patterns on your display.  In this day and age, you could probably do the whole thing on an Arduino in software.  I am assuming that they have a fast multiplication instruction.  However, just having the Arduino generate the sine and cosine waveforms and giving you the variable frequency would be perfect to use as the control signals for the analog multiplier section of your mostly analog circuit.

What will this accomplish in the quest for free energy?  That is for you to find out.  Perhaps excite the QEG with a set of quadrature sine waves and that puppy will take off!  lol

P.S.:  A sneak peak....

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You need 4 - 4 quadrant multiplier chips - we used to use the AD532 from analog devices. You can certainly use opamps to generate the sin/cos signals - it's called a quadrature osc. As an alternative a joystick moving in a circle does the same thing and allows you to "perform"...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on September 05, 2014, 05:22:12 AM
Then there is the other problem that certainly affects perhaps the majority of the replicators.  It's the problem of jumping into something that you might be enthusiastic about but aren't really competent in.   So you have a double whammy where you have an under unity true and faithful replication and a replicator that is simply not competent to do a real analysis.  So that represents a significant psychological "double-whammy" hurdle to overcome.

It takes years of study and application to truly understand and design electronic circuuits.  It takes years of study and application to become a master chef.

A Joe Blow off the street walks into a store and buys a USB scope and all of a sudden he is a free energy researcher.

A Jow Blow off the street walks into the kitchen of a five-star restaurant and knows that he can only make toast and fry eggs and won't last half a day.

This is not a 5 Star restaurant or even close equivalent.  :D You're walking into a roadside diner and expecting 5 star meals ?

Take the chef from the 5 star restaurant and put him in the busy diner and he wouldn't last past the first paycheck if even an hour.

No chef will convince me that I am not a good cook, I've been served up food from qualified chefs that should have put in the rubbish bin, but I rarely cook a meal that others don't like.

Some qualified chefs just ruin good ingredients.

Similarly I can build and use stuff electricians I know do not understand. They are not electrical engineers of physicists but nor
am I.

When a trained man like MarkE looks at my drawing and tells me he sees no flyback protection on my primary when it clearly
has a capacitor across the switch for just that tells me that even trained folks miss stuff.

No one on this thread has shown any input to output measurements at all except me, even though mine were not accurate
to date, (correct me if I'm wrong).

Seems I don't rate a mention with the other experimenter guys so I might just make my next set of measurements the last
ones I share and just sit back and criticize some and help others while I do my own thing in private.

If people can't grasp the concept of "energy can't come from no where or no source" now then whats the point ?
There is no OU as far as the big picture is concerned, there is only the utilization of existing energy for free or cheap.

Even posting on a site called OverUnity should cause people to carefully define what they mean by "OU" and they should be
able to explain it simply. To me actual Over Unity would need to involve the creation of energy or some "thing" from nothing
eg, 2 come from 1. But that is impossible so I struggle to justify to myself why I even post on these sites anymore at all.

And that begs the question. Haven't you trained guys got something better to do ?

My experiments to me are fun and very enlightening even though I have never claimed any OU. (except in jest.. joking)

In other words to use the Chef analogy.

I've learned enough that I don't need anyone to cook for me in order to eat well from the raw ingredients.  ;D
If I want someone to rate my cooking I'll ask as i usually do. Don't like my food don't eat it, doesn't mean it's contaminated
sustenance though just because people don't like it.

Bottom line is in my opinion these types of forums need two separate sections, one for people who want to create energy, and
a separate one for people who just want to harness energy for free.

The two do not mix well, and I don't need to be a cocktail "engineer" to see that.

Many of us experimenters have broken bodies/physically disabled, if we didn't then many of us would not even have time to post
not to mention do so much experimenting. I intend to try to get some accurate in to out and activity measurements when I am
well enough and post them here, but I doubt I'll be sharing much in future on any OU type forum unless I have practical advice
or a useful comment for those who want to harness energy for free or cheap.
..

Just for kicks an I mean no disrespect as I respect knowledge, but what would be a good analogy of an electrical engineer posting on a OverUnity forum. A swan in the chicken coop ?
If it was my coop I'd say the swan was out of place.  ;D

In a busy chicken coop sometimes eggs get broken and chooks drop dead, but it doesn't phase the chooks, only the keeper.  ;)
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 05, 2014, 06:07:42 AM
Well Farmhand, using energy wisely and harnessing it and storing it for later use it in itself considered "over unity" by many people around here.  It's a question of semantics.  The sun will last "forever" for all practical intents and purposes.

If I could have a system that is relatively maintenance free that gives me some or all of my real power for daily use, that would be progress.  I seem to recall about 10 years ago you could set yourself up for about $15,000 USD with a solar array and a windmill and batteries and inverter and a smart controller.  My dark horse winning solution has a carbon fiber flywheel in a near vacuum connected to a motor-generator to store solar energy.  Then you don't have to deal with batteries.  It's simply too expensive right now.  If you imagine every rooftop and the cladding on buildings having solar arrays, and underground flywheels spread around, that might work.  Sort of like the whole city is a giant solar array with massive amounts of energy storage in a network of underground carbon fiber flywheels.  The extra energy collected during the sunny days gives you your power during the cloudy days.

You could do a demonstration project; a housing development of say 1000 energy efficient houses with the solar collectors, windmills and the flywheels, the intelligent power management and load balancing of the flywheels, the whole nine yards.  That would be an over unity community.  Assume the people drive electric cars.   So you would reduce the carbon footprint of the community as a whole.  I realize that it would probably take more energy to build a community like that but there would presumably be an carbon break-even point and then you go carbon positive.

There is no QEG in this picture.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/new-flywheel-design/

http://web.stanford.edu/group/gcep/cgi-bin/gcep-research/all/low-cost-flywheel-energy-storage/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 05, 2014, 06:08:43 AM
Yes indeed.  I had a wonderful time playing with 74LSXX TTL chips and op-amps and writing machine code way back when.  Breadboard City.  I wasn't looking for free energy but that's besides the point.  But I threw it all out 20 years ago.  It's great fun to see circuits come to life.  The National Semiconductor applications books were great because they were such a "cheat" if you wanted to do something special.  So I built the integrator and the differentiator and got a "satisfying" result when I swept the input.  Then there was the quadrature oscillator which was cool.  You can make a Cartesian coordinate rotator with a quadrature oscillator and some analog multipliers!  You can see the atomic energy symbol on your scope display by rotating a sine wave at the right harmonic resonance.  lol  It really was fun but then then Puff the Magic Dragon effect came into play.

If there is anything I still lust for is that first generation of analog scopes from the early 90s that had the moving cursors on the display to automate measuring time and frequency.  I suspect that there was a separate beam that was on during the main beam fly-back that gave you the moving cursors and the alphanumerics.  They were so cool and I haven't ever looked them up.  If they aren't making them anymore for sure they are on eBay.  They were just beautiful!
2465's are readily available in the used market from around $200. to $1200.  TK used to use a similar generation Philips scope.  I think the Philips scopes of the era had nicer ergonomics.  But I am way past having any of those instruments in front of me anymore.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 05, 2014, 06:16:01 AM
This is not a 5 Star restaurant or even close equivalent.  :D You're walking into a roadside diner and expecting 5 star meals ?

Take the chef from the 5 star restaurant and put him in the busy diner and he wouldn't last past the first paycheck if even an hour.

No chef will convince me that I am not a good cook, I've been served up food from qualified chefs that should have put in the rubbish bin, but I rarely cook a meal that others don't like.

Some qualified chefs just ruin good ingredients.

Similarly I can build and use stuff electricians I know do not understand. They are not electrical engineers of physicists but nor
am I.

When a trained man like MarkE looks at my drawing and tells me he sees no flyback protection on my primary when it clearly
has a capacitor across the switch for just that tells me that even trained folks miss stuff.

No one on this thread has shown any input to output measurements at all except me, even though mine were not accurate
to date, (correct me if I'm wrong).

Seems I don't rate a mention with the other experimenter guys so I might just make my next set of measurements the last
ones I share and just sit back and criticize some and help others while I do my own thing in private.

If people can't grasp the concept of "energy can't come from no where or no source" now then whats the point ?
There is no OU as far as the big picture is concerned, there is only the utilization of existing energy for free or cheap.

Even posting on a site called OverUnity should cause people to carefully define what they mean by "OU" and they should be
able to explain it simply. To me actual Over Unity would need to involve the creation of energy or some "thing" from nothing
eg, 2 come from 1. But that is impossible so I struggle to justify to myself why I even post on these sites anymore at all.

And that begs the question. Haven't you trained guys got something better to do ?

My experiments to me are fun and very enlightening even though I have never claimed any OU. (except in jest.. joking)

In other words to use the Chef analogy.

I've learned enough that I don't need anyone to cook for me in order to eat well from the raw ingredients.  ;D
If I want someone to rate my cooking I'll ask as i usually do. Don't like my food don't eat it, doesn't mean it's contaminated
sustenance though just because people don't like it.

Bottom line is in my opinion these types of forums need two separate sections, one for people who want to create energy, and
a separate one for people who just want to harness energy for free.

The two do not mix well, and I don't need to be a cocktail "engineer" to see that.

Many of us experimenters have broken bodies/physically disabled, if we didn't then many of us would not even have time to post
not to mention do so much experimenting. I intend to try to get some accurate in to out and activity measurements when I am
well enough and post them here, but I doubt I'll be sharing much in future on any OU type forum unless I have practical advice
or a useful comment for those who want to harness energy for free or cheap.
..

Just for kicks an I mean no disrespect as I respect knowledge, but what would be a good analogy of an electrical engineer posting on a OverUnity forum. A swan in the chicken coop ?
If it was my coop I'd say the swan was out of place.  ;D

In a busy chicken coop sometimes eggs get broken and chooks drop dead, but it doesn't phase the chooks, only the keeper.  ;)
..
Hey, I am sorry if I left your name off the list that was just off the top of my head.  I am sure there are others I missed too.

Everyone makes mistakes and overlooks things no matter how well trained and/or skilled. 

There is absolutely nothing wrong with experimenting.  It can be a lot of fun just to try a new twist on old themes.  Experimenting is a good way to learn things and keep one's mind sharp.  Things in the lab are a lot dirtier and messier than they are in the pristine world of paper and computer simulation.  That's part of the reason that everyone should get some lab experience.  And who knows every once in awhile playing around may find something that at least seems unusual.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 06, 2014, 02:07:52 AM
I will address this just once more to the QEG replicators that are following Naima Feagin and Fix the World.  I am assuming that many replicators are still dropping in here to see what is going on.

Time to step up to the plate and make video clips and report your results.  That means showing power-in and power-out and precisely how you made those measurements.  Nobody is interested in seeing resonance or talking about nonsensical "over unity in VARs."

How come you barely see any results from true replicators on Be-Do?  Many of you surely thought that "this one's the real thing" and took heed of the advice given out by Fix the World, namely "don't listen to the trolls."

Step up to the plate and be real.  Can any of you do that?  We are waiting and we hope to see the results from the true replicators that downloaded the plans, bought the core, and are trying out stuff for yourselves, as well as following Jamie's "research."

I dare you replicators to show your stuff.  It's time to stop being Orwellian zombies cowering in fear from the peer pressure on Be-Do.

And I have a special shout-out to Kevin Blundell and Evens Abellard who are high-profile replicators from QEG Canada.  Show us your results, be they good or bad.

It's time to find out who the bad guys really are.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 06, 2014, 06:16:13 AM
Prep for a lOl ROTFLYAO moment.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/wanted-offered/546-q-e-g-kits-for-sale-with-the-new-cores#2608
15,000 kits.  Kits mind you, not assembled and definitely not working.

Here is a better idea, how about instead of selling your kits, you build a working device.  Get all the metals, honors, accolades, and novels up the wazzu.  That way you will be financially set for life, 10 life times and not depend on market and economy whims for the kit sales.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rigel4 on September 06, 2014, 09:44:26 PM
15 thousand dollars USD for a kit. In the comments someone sourced only for quite a bit less.
This  would be funny if it was not so sad.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 06, 2014, 11:30:16 PM
15 thousand dollars USD for a kit. In the comments someone sourced only for quite a bit less.
This  would be funny if it was not so sad.

I agree that it is sad, and it is also fraud.  Most folks work very hard for their money and for these folks to be pulling this crap is terrible.  They are preying on folks that want to "save the world" which I guess is a good intention...but they would be better off just using some really efficient Joule Thief circuits that, while are not O.U., can be very useful for saving energy.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 08, 2014, 09:22:06 PM
The Official "Open Source" QEG User Manual is here:
http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/qeg-open-source-documents.html


The last page of this 35-page document is the FAQs, as reproduced below. This image was made today, 8 September 2014, a bit over One Year since Naima Feagin (HopeGirl) began making the FALSE CLAIMS that you can still see in the FAQs.


Yet no QEG builders anywhere have ever been able to get a QEG to run at all. No "10 kW" power output, no "start with a crank mechanism", not even "quantum field energy".


What's the explanation for all of this, Naima?


Also, it is interesting to note that even before the IndieGoGo campaign of September 2013, Naima got several thousands of dollars in donations for her Australia trip in the summer of 2013 (winter in OZ). ($5,290)
http://www.gofundme.com/HopeinAustralia


And of course there is the Documentary from early May, 2013 ($2,556)
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/angels-in-boston-hopegirl-fix-the-world-documentary#home


http://www.gofundme.com/HopeGirlFixtheworldQEG ($38,128 so far)


http://www.gofundme.com/7hyss4 ($8,122)


http://www.gofundme.com/Fix-The-World ($28,858 so far)


http://www.gofundme.com/Phase3QEG ($21,682 so far)


https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/hopegirl-fix-the-world-documentary#home ($4,781)


and this isn't even including the original IndieGoGo campaign from September of 2013:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/home-quantum-energy-generator ($18,064)


Well over $100,000 in donations. Over an eighth of a million dollars! Not bad income for making a few blog posts and travelling the world, Naima.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on September 08, 2014, 09:57:06 PM
I haven't had the time to read through that whole site.  Is there any explanation as to why the global markets didn't crash in October/December 2012
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 08, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
Add a few more thousands of dollars into the family from other campaigns under the name of Naicheval Robitai (sic):
https://www.indiegogo.com/individuals/1821039 (https://www.indiegogo.com/individuals/1821039)


These people (Naicheval/Valerie Robitai/Robitaille and HopeGirl/Hope Moore/Naima Feagin) have been doing the crowdfunding thing for at least two years, under several different aliases/organizations/campaign names, on IndieGoGo and Gofundme. If anyone knows of any other crowdfunding campaigns connected to these people, whether related to the QEG project or not, please let me know.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 09, 2014, 12:58:47 AM
They are nothing more than 21st century carnies with a virtual concession and virtual peep show on the road.  I can smell that disgusting smell of rancid oil used for cooking popcorn.

They can feign that all is well as much as they want, but less and less people are being fooled.  If only someone directly affected that lost money would file a complaint against them with the police.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039661/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

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I first saw this film in the late 70's on a Toronto television program devoted to classic cinema. I was joined by friends who always got together on Saturday nights to watch the musicals, comedies, or classic performances offered that week. NIGHTMARE ALLEY came as a surprise. It was a raw, exposed nerve of a film. Instead of the Hollywood diction we had come to expect, this film expressed itself in 1940's carny colloquialisms. And nobody in the cast was soft - they were all hard knocks characters, almost down for the count, but still fighting. After about 15 minutes, nobody in front of that set moved until it was all over, except maybe to look sideways to see if anyone else could believe their eyes. This is a movie clawing your way to the top , and then paying the price for getting there. This is a movie about being careful what you wish for. It is a movie about odd fascinations with people who are actually messengers of your future in disguise. And ultimately, it is a movie about how futile is the love of a good woman if the man is destined for ruin. Needless to say, it was not standard Hollywood fare when made in the 40's, and it is still not standard fare today. It's message is somehow both shocking and familiar. Listen for the last words uttered, as though in offhand comment about our 'hero' by bystanders. Those words haunted me for over 20 years, until I was able to track down another showing of the film on TV (STILL not on VCR or DVD for heaven's sake!). And I remembered them correctly all that time - that's the impact they made. See this film. Surrender to it. It's that good.

----

One of the most obscure films produced by classic Hollywood. It's Tyrone Power in the role of his life and the tragedy of an ambitious circus apprentice becoming a con artist and gradually turning into a pseudo-religious guru. Both director Edmund Goulding (Grand Hotel, Dark Victory) and writer W.L. Gresham committed suicide, and one can smell suicide in this gem of a film, that is the story of the embezzlement of a gift. That circus operates as a good metaphor of the B-system Hollywood of the 40's, where geeks worked side by sided with geniuses. The tarot cards foresee the worst: there's a geek in every man's soul, no matter how big one can be, a downfall no imposed `happy ending' can hide. In this nightmare populated by fun-fairs, alcoholism and eccentric millionaires obsessed with the deceased, the film version makes use of the essential from the source novel and provides the best invention: an unscrupulous psychiatrist who records her patients on tape and then blackmails them, a device that Brian de Palma himself would have be proud of.

Naima, Val, and Jamie are just (pseudo) tech carnies.   Nothing more.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 09, 2014, 10:06:07 PM
There is this piece from Sep 2013:

http://crackedscience.com/2013/09/23/follow-up-18000-given-over-to-quantum-fraud/ (http://crackedscience.com/2013/09/23/follow-up-18000-given-over-to-quantum-fraud/)

Somebody else call foul in Sept last year:  http://skepticalbear.com/home-quantum-energy-generator-oh-dear-here-we-go/ (http://skepticalbear.com/home-quantum-energy-generator-oh-dear-here-we-go/)

I think you will find this an interesting read, there are quite a few tidbits if you read it through. It sound like this scam started out as a magnetic pulse motor?

http://z13.invisionfree.com/HARD_Qs/index.php?showtopic=100 (http://z13.invisionfree.com/HARD_Qs/index.php?showtopic=100)

Here is the last post in late Oct last year:
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What if I told you that there is no such thing as a "free energy invention" and after receiving funding it will go into a black box and we will hear some excuse in the coming month as to why nothing happened. The excuse will be some made up story about how the "cabal" felt threatened by it and thus threatened them to stop it. And the idiots who donated, as well as the OPPT sheeple, will buy it.


Why are people so stupid? If you could make a free energy prototype for $6k you could get angel investors to fund it in 5 seconds and none of them would require a patent for it either for that little.


This isn't funding a free energy project, its funding Hope Girl's bank account.


And more stuff about how what HG is doing is all tied up with the OPPT: There is a lot of good stuff in this thread later on: There is a strong Moroccan connection here:


http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9038&sid=32f1ca4035bf79565f3d3677f9d46a0a&start=1140 (http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=9038&sid=32f1ca4035bf79565f3d3677f9d46a0a&start=1140)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 10, 2014, 05:00:20 AM
PCB:

Nice research there.  This appears that it was never to be a working device from the get go.  Just a fund raising effort to scam money from deluded people.  This is incredible.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 10, 2014, 04:15:59 PM
The OPPT people and the FTW people are intimately connected, sometimes even in the same body, like Brian Kelly. OPPT has "officially" disbanded... trying to keep themselves out of jail. Several people connected to the OPPT scams have gone to jail and at least one is still in prison.
"Why Morocco" has been asked about FTW... it turns out the reason is OPPT! Heather has already set herself up in Aouchtam and her friends the Robitailles and FTW just followed her over there.


All of this is connected. The bus tour, RVs supposed to run on water.... but never did.... resulted in a sizable chunk of change in the pockets of certain principals of OPPT and FTW. But people forget, I guess, and so the QEG is actually the SECOND Free Energy scam these people and their friends have engaged in. FTW is being very careful about keeping the connection with OPPT secret, but if you look carefully at the videos and photos from Morocco you will see some faces of OPPT principals like Heather and Brian.


Please see Doziac's video about OPPT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LDJamW4pDU
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 10, 2014, 05:24:28 PM
The OPPT people and the FTW people are intimately connected, sometimes even in the same body, like Brian Kelly. OPPT has "officially" disbanded... trying to keep themselves out of jail. Several people connected to the OPPT scams have gone to jail and at least one is still in prison.
"Why Morocco" has been asked about FTW... it turns out the reason is OPPT! Heather has already set herself up in Aouchtam and her friends the Robitailles and FTW just followed her over there.


All of this is connected. The bus tour, RVs supposed to run on water.... but never did.... resulted in a sizable chunk of change in the pockets of certain principals of OPPT and FTW. But people forget, I guess, and so the QEG is actually the SECOND Free Energy scam these people and their friends have engaged in. FTW is being very careful about keeping the connection with OPPT secret, but if you look carefully at the videos and photos from Morocco you will see some faces of OPPT principals like Heather and Brian.


Please see Doziac's video about OPPT:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LDJamW4pDU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LDJamW4pDU)
Yup!. I did read somewhere (I think related to her crowd funded Australasia trip) she was promoting a different free energy generator than the QEG. Perhaps they would not play ball or she felt that it would be better to fund she father. The items in my previous post show that her connection with her step father was not disclosed in the written documentation, and was only revealed verbally under pressure it would appear. This is all very telling. HG and her mother will I'm sure have a few more rounds left to play out, but what then? This does not seem a particularly good way to earn a living. Do the folks at be-do have any connection to OPPT?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 10, 2014, 05:57:58 PM
The "Be-Do" reference pops up in the material. I am quite certain there is a connection, but these people have learned some lessons about public disclosure of who they are and what they are doing.


Here's a segment of the RationalWiki article on OPPT:


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_People%27s_Public_Trust (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_People%27s_Public_Trust)


Quote
Timeline
The UCC1 filings were made on December 25, 2012, soon after, the Alternative Media begin reporting on it claiming that all world governments and corporations had been foreclosed and promising listeners $10 billion in gold and silver.
Around April, in response to questions by followers asking where their $10 billion is, Heather invents the "courtesy notice" described above. Followers who attempted to use said notices, took the non-response from collection agencies as proof that the notices had worked and the natives were temporarily pacified.
When talk that the courtesy notices were failing two parallel schemes were cooked up by Heather. She would write documents that followers could take to banks to deposit a fraction of their "intrinsic value", convert it to actual currency at the bank and thus followers could finally get a portion of their promised billions. Concurrently, work started on "Project 13" which was advertised as a software that would allow followers to buy and sell goods using their "intrinsic value". The software would be set us as a phone app or desktop program where users would pay a monthly fee to create an account and "access their value".
In July, Kiri Campbell, acting upon OPPT advise, attempts to deposit $15 million of her "value" into her bank account as well as writing $60,000 in bad checks backed by her "value". OPPT originally hails her as a hero and proof that their documents and strategies work. She is later arrested, pleads guilty and is sentenced to 200 hours community service. OPPT ignores the setback and continues.
In October following months of failures, Brian Kelly, Bob Wright and Lisa Harrison (the principal promoters of OPPT in alternative media), launch the OPAL tour. Under the theory that the reason that OPPT had been ineffective was that not enough people were aware of it and thus a publicity tour would finally lead to the prosperity Heather had promised in December 2012. They beg for donations to buy Motor Homes to drive around the USA preaching about the OPPT. Brian promises that the Motor Homes will be powered by engines that run on water and that the tour will spread this new free energy technology. Despite the RVs running on water, throughout the tour they constantly posted on their blogs that they needed more donations to buy gasoline.
In January after the OPAL tour, the free energy technology never materialized but the failure is never mentioned by OPPT. Brian has most of his stuff repossessed, Bill from American Kabuki is divorced from his wife, and moves to Morocco with Heather paid for by donations from followers. In response to this state of disarray, OPPT makes the decision for everyone to move to Morocco to start a commune where they can develop Free Energy technology and be prosperous. Of course, in order to do this they require more donations from followers and they attempt to sell the RVs from the tour on eBay. On March 2, the One Peoples' Community launched its new website (http://www.opcaouchtam.com (http://www.opcaouchtam.com/)). On March 22, it posted its most recent (and likely, final) posting. A member of the Community subsequently posted a message on Facebook stating that there were communication issues between the people still there and that there were hardly any people remaining at the Community. In July, another person posted on the Facebook One People Community that the Community had dissolved, although individuals from the Community still live in Aouchtam, Morocco; however, there are no communal projects at this time.
In May, Brian announced that "Free Energy is Here"; in June, he announced that "we are so close that I can taste it" with regard to free energy; and in July, he was in Spain with Blue Star "Deerwomon" and wondering how on earth he got there. (www.briankellysblog.blogspot.co.nz (http://www.briankellysblog.blogspot.co.nz)) He has now announced his new project called "Even in Doubt Project". His mission is to "inspire the world, especially younger generations, to take a leap in pursuing their purpose, living their passions, and creating global change, even in total doubt".[/size]
D from Removing the Shackles continues to blog from Morocco, although she's using a keyboard that is no longer fully functional. (www.removingtheshackels.blogspot.com (http://www.removingtheshackels.blogspot.com)) Bob also continues to blog from Morocco with hopes that he can generate income from ads incorporated within the blog.
Here is a direct quote of Heather's latest update, as of August 9, 2014: "THE WILL OF I AM: NOW, ALL I AM, BE AND DO I AM!!! THE WORK OF I AM: I AM!!" In other words, nothing has changed with her.

In one of the other links from posts up above, one of the Aouchtam community members tells the story: It took them a week to figure out that the dishes had to be cleared away and washed after their lovely community meals! And that nobody was going to wait on them, so they had to do it themselves! A wash station was set up... and shortly after that people began leaving the "community."  Work has a way of driving rich kid dilettantes away.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 10, 2014, 06:16:27 PM
The "Be-Do" reference pops up in the material. I am quite certain there is a connection, but these people have learned some lessons about public disclosure of who they are and what they are doing.


Here's a segment of the RationalWiki article on OPPT:


http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_People%27s_Public_Trust (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_People%27s_Public_Trust)


In one of the other links from posts up above, one of the Aouchtam community members tells the story: It took them a week to figure out that the dishes had to be cleared away and washed after their lovely community meals! And that nobody was going to wait on them, so they had to do it themselves! A wash station was set up... and shortly after that people began leaving the "community."  Work has a way of driving rich kid dilettantes away.
I found this interesting in the last line
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BE AND DO I AM!!!
   
It seems to me that some of the OPPT folks have teamed up with HopeGirl.

Perhaps FTW is the metamorphosis of OPPT under HG.
 
http://goldenageofgaia.com/building-nova-earth-toward-a-world-that-works-for-everyone/nova-earth-society/hopegirl-fix-the-world-organization-business-plan/ (http://goldenageofgaia.com/building-nova-earth-toward-a-world-that-works-for-everyone/nova-earth-society/hopegirl-fix-the-world-organization-business-plan/)

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/the-public-trust-1776-resurrection-of-forgotten-principles/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2013/02/26/the-public-trust-1776-resurrection-of-forgotten-principles/)

Has she and her mother taken over from Heather?

http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2013/02/09/oppt-questions-from-the-people/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2013/02/09/oppt-questions-from-the-people/)


I wonder if Terelco knows any of this background?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 11, 2014, 12:33:29 AM
Thanks for doing all the digging and lifting guys.  They are all just sleazy carnies like I stated.

Message to Naima, Val, and Jamie:  You are scumbags and shame on you.

And when you look around here from lots of people you get mute silence.  People like Captain Zero and e2Matrix have nothing to say in the face of this evil and nonsensical idiocy.

The reality distortion zone sucks.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 11, 2014, 03:47:23 AM
Update message from Kevin:

https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC

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Hi everyone.  Just got this photo from our Toronto winding company.  Here is our second core now ready to be wound. We did not weld this core.  We have used varnish to hold it all together...it was baked in an oven actually.  It will be wound and finished, if all goes well, by the end of this week.
 
 Our other core is in Montreal now and is being balanced (you need to balance the rotor and voltage of the core before you can install it, it is a longish process).  I will keep you all posted and a quick reminder to please donate to our gofundme page if you can....all funds will go to the build in Montreal and we are still short of our overall costs for the build.

Well, the term "voltage of the core" makes no sense and likewise "balancing the voltage of the core" makes no sense.  Don't expect anybody to correct Kevin in QEG La-La land.  You just have to beleebe that the core voltage needs to be balanced.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 11, 2014, 05:03:37 AM
Update message from Kevin:

https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC)

Well, the term "voltage of the core" makes no sense and likewise "balancing the voltage of the core" makes no sense.  Don't expect anybody to correct Kevin in QEG La-La land.  You just have to beleebe that the core voltage needs to be balanced.

MH:

You didn't get it.  It is their bank account that needs to be balanced, ha ha.  Hence the Gofundme reference.  Once the account is balanced, I predict that the core will be balanced as well.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 11, 2014, 06:57:56 AM
Thanks for doing all the digging and lifting guys.  They are all just sleazy carnies like I stated.

Message to Naima, Val, and Jamie:  You are scumbags and shame on you.

And when you look around here from lots of people you get mute silence.  People like Captain Zero and e2Matrix have nothing to say in the face of this evil and nonsensical idiocy.

The reality distortion zone sucks.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

It was clear to me day one (March 24 2014) they were all connected.  You have to not want to see it to not see it.
And good point about Captain Zero and the gang.  Its been a good long time you heard from the qeg cheerleaders.  Heck, even the be-dodo forum has gone silent after every update by Shean and Larry.  Yet, Vgray is still holding down the fort, keeping the lie alive.

To the 5,000 Engineers in China and long outstanding UK report where art thou?


Now I have seen everything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5lVTHKbPRA
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on September 11, 2014, 08:00:07 AM
"Evil" always has a limited lifetime.  "Evil" will always
self-destruct as it becomes arrogant and reckless.

Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear will
learn to discern the bad from the good.

Truth will always manage to find its way out into the
light of day.  Men of good will who are honest and
ethical love Truth.

Vengeance is not ours.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on September 11, 2014, 01:08:05 PM
"Evil" always has a limited lifetime.  "Evil" will always
self-destruct as it becomes arrogant and reckless.

Those who have eyes to see and ears to hear will
learn to discern the bad from the good.

Truth will always manage to find its way out into the
light of day.  Men of good will who are honest and
ethical love Truth.

Vengeance is not ours.
I don't understand why you are putting the word evil in quotes.  I think the point of exposing stuff like this - isn't vengence per se but to shut down people who are scamming other people.  It might be well and good that the truth comes out eventually but how many people need to get duped in the process?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 11, 2014, 03:02:21 PM
It was clear to me day one (March 24 2014) they were all connected.  You have to not want to see it to not see it.
And good point about Captain Zero and the gang.  Its been a good long time you heard from the qeg cheerleaders.  Heck, even the be-dodo forum has gone silent after every update by Shean and Larry.  Yet, Vgray is still holding down the fort, keeping the lie alive.

To the 5,000 Engineers in China and long outstanding UK report where art thou?


Now I have seen everything: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5lVTHKbPRA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B5lVTHKbPRA)




I really haven't taken the time to properly look into this issue, so I purposely never offered an opinion,,,despite what this troll and the MethHigh troll are asserting.

According to the troll operations handbook, whatever the forum trolls focus the most on usually means there is something they want everyone to stay clear of.

So, there may be some aspect to this idea which may cause someone to inadvertently stumble on to something significant...which as we know is usually how great discoveries happen.

And which is what they get paid to prevent.

Regards...

 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 11, 2014, 06:43:19 PM



I really haven't taken the time to properly look into this issue,
That is the truth, certainly.
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so I purposely never offered an opinion,,,
That never stopped you before, and it's not stopping you now.
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despite what this troll and the MethHigh troll are asserting.
That's funny.... I can't find any user called "MethHigh" asserting anything. Are you perhaps accusing someone of using illegal drugs? Have you got ANY EVIDENCE to support your baseless assertion? No, of course you do not, because the name-calling and insults you spew aren't true.
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According to the troll operations handbook, whatever the forum trolls focus the most on usually means there is something they want everyone to stay clear of.
Please provide a checkable outside reference for this document to which you refer. Oh... you CANNOT, because you just made it up.
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So, there may be some aspect to this idea which may cause someone to inadvertently stumble on to something significant...which as we know is usually how great discoveries happen.
Please feel free to CONTRIBUTE SOMETHING USEFUL by pointing out just which idea you mean, and what could possibly be significant about the QEG's promotion by a bunch of known scammers, some of them who have actually been convicted in court for their scams and others of whom are fugitives from justice and will be arrested as soon as they try to re-enter the USA. But once again... we know you cannot.
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And which is what they get paid to prevent.

Regards...
And once again you emit the utter LIE that any of the people you call "Trolls"... you troll.... are paid for their troubles. YOU CANNOT PROVIDE THE LEAST BIT OF SUPPORT for your lying contentions. Your handle is appropriate: CAPTAIN ZERO, because that is what all of your total posts are worth: ZERO.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on September 11, 2014, 07:04:09 PM
According to the troll operations handbook, whatever the forum trolls focus the most on usually means there is something they want everyone to stay clear of.
If by "stay clear of" you mean it's part of a conspiracy to keep people away from good information then I for one would like to see an example of this.  Can someone point out to me one case of some of the more skeptically minded folk concentrating on discrediting something that turned out to be actually overunity?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 11, 2014, 07:14:30 PM
*guffaws-then yawns*
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on September 11, 2014, 08:09:51 PM
Quote from: TinKoa
...the utter LIE that any of the people you call "Trolls"... you troll....
are paid for their troubles. YOU CANNOT PROVIDE THE LEAST BIT OF
SUPPORT for your lying contentions.

"Payment" might possibly exist in several forms other than in the
receipt of Federal Reserve Debt Notes.  Whatever one receives as
pleasure or gratification, real or imagined, may be all the payment
one is seeking. ;)

Quote from: TinKoa
Your handle is appropriate: CAPTAIN ZERO, because that is what all
of your total posts are worth: ZERO.

Ah yes, the screechy refrains of a woman scorned... ::)

You've been shooting more emotional "blanks" lately T.K. :o


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 11, 2014, 08:25:29 PM
SeaMonkey quote:

" You've been shooting more emotional "blanks" lately T.K. (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/shocked.gif) "



Add verbal mental blanks (emphasis on the mental), and I'd say that wood about sum things up.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 12, 2014, 12:33:15 AM
Well that's a big fail, Captain Zero.  You don't have the courage or the character to speak out against scammers.  You know, people that steal money from other people?

Instead you play your ridiculous "millions of monkeys at typewriters" card, and the boring tired old "MIB" card, which I specifically asked you to stop playing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 12, 2014, 01:22:16 AM
Captain Zero, Brine Shrimp:


Feel free to REFUTE me, my "mental and emotional blanks", with facts, checkable outside references, valid data, and/or demonstrations of your own.


Of course you cannot. Mock away then, impotent trolls. Meanwhile, QEG scammers continue to collect money from their fraudulent activities and Torelco reaps the profits from sales of the useless QEG "second generation" potted core assemblies. And scams like these continue, in part thanks to trolls like yourselves, who cannot contribute anything useful so you just try to attack people like me and MileHigh.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on September 12, 2014, 01:44:52 AM
TinKoa,

Regarding the technical content of your postings
there is no dissatisfaction;  in most cases your
observations and explanations are spot on. 8)

What is so captivating and entertaining about your
postings is their emotional content.  High Strung
and then some... ::)

Miles Higher has similar traits and it often seems that
the two of you are joined at the hip. :o

In any case, the two of you perform a valued service to
the readership here at the Overunity Forum.  Diversity
of viewpoints and experiences is a huge plus. :-*

Carry on.  What goes on here is a whole lot better than
Daytime Drama TV. ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 12, 2014, 02:28:32 AM
Has anyone noticed how upset these trolls get when I speak of their activities and motivations, instead of addressing them directly ?

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 12, 2014, 03:10:30 AM
Has anyone noticed how upset these trolls get when I speak of their activities and motivations, instead of addressing them directly ?

Regards...

No.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 12, 2014, 05:19:32 AM
Has anyone noticed how upset these trolls get when I speak of their activities and motivations, instead of addressing them directly ?

Regards...
I think the Z in your name stands for Zeno, a science fiction character that propelled itself with high velocity farts:)


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 12, 2014, 05:32:18 AM
An insult from another low post number troll, oh the unmitigated gall,

From troll called 'PCB'...the name says it all.


Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 12, 2014, 05:33:51 AM
An insult from another low post number troll, oh the unmitigated gall,

From troll called 'PCB'...the name says it all.


Regards...
The Zeno in your name could also be related to the QZE (Quantum Zeno Effect) where an unstable particle (or collection of particles in your case) if observed continuously, will never decay (i.e never go away).

Low post number perhaps but I'm nearly as old on this site as you! I favor quality rather than quantity.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 12, 2014, 05:37:11 AM
Translation for those watching in:

Lament of an over matched troll.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 12, 2014, 05:42:54 AM
Translation for those watching in:

Lament of an over matched troll.

Regards...
The said truth is my post counter has been stuck at 141 for I do not know how long. If you look closely you will see yours is too. MileHigh pointed out a while ago out perhaps we are all dead but do not know it; hence, my interest in QZE. So if we continue to be observed on this forum we will continue on.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 12, 2014, 05:45:31 AM
Time and tide wait for no troll.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 12, 2014, 05:50:22 AM
Time and tide wait for no troll.
It's become clear to me in this brief exchange that you have some weird obsession with trolls, and moreover lack the intellectual creativity to hold anything other than a five word conversation with the word troll in it. So I'm going to bed. See ya!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 12, 2014, 05:58:24 AM
Dress up another one.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 12, 2014, 06:42:07 AM
All I see next to Cap-Z-ro is "You are ignoring this user. Show me the post."
Should there be something there to read, correction, worth reading?  ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 12, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
Has anyone noticed how upset these trolls get when I speak of their activities and motivations, instead of addressing them directly ?

Regards...


Has anyone noticed who the TRUE TROLLS are, around here?


http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=troll)
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One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument

One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue.

A person who, on a message forum of some type, attacks and flames other members of the forum for any of a number of reasons such as rank, previous disagreements, , status, ect.
A troll usually flames threads without staying on topic, unlike a "Flamer" who flames a thread because he/she disagrees with the content of the thread.

A member of an internet forum who continually harangues and harasses others. Someone with nothing worthwhile to add to a certain conversation, but rather continually threadjacks or changes the subject, as well as thinks every member of the forum is talking about them and only them. Trolls often go by multiple names to circumvent getting banned.






Wear the label proudly, Captain Zero, because YOU are the Big Troll on this thread. Have you EVER made a post on this thread concerning the QEG, your analysis and criticism of it, your comments about the FTW fundraising scams, their links to the criminal organization OPPT? No, of course you haven't. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Your posts seem to consist entirely of insults, attacks on me and MileHigh and other scientifically oriented critics. In short.... the definitions in the Urban Dictionary seem to have been written specifically with your behaviour in mind.








Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on September 12, 2014, 03:42:44 PM
TinKoa,

Thanks for the cogent clarification.  You're
really ticked that you've been labeled a TROLL
when in fact you'd been carrying on as a
FLAMER? :o

Or, words to that effect. ::)

Oh well, as The World Turns... ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 12, 2014, 04:36:43 PM
I'd say he's a troll SeaMonkey...being a 'flamer' is just one of a troll's traits.

'You shall know them by their fruits'.

Some of them are...when bested in a 'flame war', in desperation, falsely accusing your adversary by implication, of being a criminal...and when outed on that, seeking pity by citing a laundry list of physical ailments...when the real issue is purely one of mental impairment.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on September 12, 2014, 04:58:07 PM
Thanks to Grimm's Fairy Tales, when most think of
Troll they see in their minds an ugly, masculine
stalking creature living under the footbridge waiting
to capture hapless victims. :( :'(

On the other hand a Flamer may come to mind as
an attractive feminine wise-cracking waitress type
who stands up to aggressive Trolls with her sharp tongue. ;)

Some Forum Men are wrankled out if their "image"
feedback isn't to their liking. ::) >:( :( ::)

It's obviously a New Age thingy... 8)

Time for a Coffee Break. ;D



 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 12, 2014, 05:07:22 PM
Old terms have taken on a new meaning in todays world for sure.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 12, 2014, 06:47:49 PM
The bottom line is that Captain Zero and SeaMonkey will not state that Fix the World are doing something wrong.  The issue was raised because there is a need for some balance.  The silly "paid trolls" argument certainly does not apply to the case of Fix the World and the QEG, which is an obvious fake and the whole thing is a silly nonsensical enterprise.

I find it sad and frustrating.  It's like, you order a tube amplifier off off eBay and you pay $3000 for it.  The box arrives and it's empty.  Nobody would argue that that was not criminal activity.  Then you read that all that you have to do is download the plans and purchase a $3000 core and you will have free energy - present tense.  You spend your $3000 and end up with a useless hunk of metal that does nothing.  That is also criminal activity.

Some people simply cannot process information in their heads properly.  They manage to navigate their way through society, but they still have problems processing information.

In a related matter, there is a huge solar flare coming our way.  Time to upgrade your tinfoil hats!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 12, 2014, 07:52:25 PM
Trolls like MethHigh etal process information to the effect that I am backing supporting or behind this QEG deal...when the simple fact of the matter is, that I have neither formed nor offered an opinion on the subject one way or the other.

And I believe those scoring at home have likely correctly processed that already...next troll please.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on September 12, 2014, 08:46:32 PM
Quote from: MilesHigher
The bottom line is that Captain Zero and SeaMonkey will not state that Fix the World are doing something wrong.  The issue was raised because there is a need for some balance.  The silly "paid trolls" argument certainly does not apply to the case of Fix the World and the QEG, which is an obvious fake and the whole thing is a silly nonsensical enterprise.

I find it sad and frustrating...

The Court of Public Opinion hasn't yet concluded its
session and the Jury continues to review evidence.

While the Court may in due time issue a judgment, it
must be noted that the Court has little impact upon
society at large or the Legal System.

If there are in fact any victims of criminal misconduct
regarding this "case" then they must register a
Complaint with the appropriate Authorities.  This is
necessary to initiate any corrective Legal Remedy.

Quote from: MilesHigher
In a related matter, there is a huge solar flare coming our way.  Time to upgrade your tinfoil hats!

This is only the beginning.  There will be more.
It is a sign of our time.

As are the plethora of World Events which have
transpired since the Israeli False Flag Attack known
as 9-11 which has facilitated the move towards
tyranny and the New Order yet to come.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 12, 2014, 09:07:16 PM
The Court of Public Opinion hasn't yet concluded its
session and the Jury continues to review evidence.

While the Court may in due time issue a judgment, it
must be noted that the Court has little impact upon
society at large or the Legal System.

If there are in fact any victims of criminal misconduct
regarding this "case" then they must register a
Complaint with the appropriate Authorities.  This is
necessary to initiate any corrective Legal Remedy.

This is only the beginning.  There will be more.
It is a sign of our time.

As are the plethora of World Events which have
transpired since the Israeli False Flag Attack known
as 9-11 which has facilitated the move towards
tyranny and the New Order yet to come.
Are you related to Seabiscuit because your a horses .....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 13, 2014, 02:44:46 AM
Are you related to Seabiscuit because your a horses .....

I'll say it...ASS!  So, now the Jews took down the towers on 9-11?  Why kind of drugs are you on man? (Directed toward Seamonkey)  No, I do not trust our government, especially now with who is in charge but...claiming the Jews had anything to do with 9-11 is just plain nuts, and very hateful toward the Jewish people, who have suffered enough throughout history.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on September 13, 2014, 04:21:56 AM
There are many in the deceived masses who may sympathize
with your beliefs.  In due time, however, the Truth will out.

That Israel with inside assistance from U.S. Government
resources planned and executed the 9-11 deception is
well known in North American Intelligence and European
Intelligence agencies.

A cover-up has been ordered from the highest levels in
the same fashion that the Israeli attack on U.S.S. Liberty
(AGTR-5) off the coast of Egypt in June 1967 was covered
up.

As is too often the case, TRUTH is sacrificed (temporarily)
to the gambit of National Security.    So long as the present
criminals remain in office their secrets are secure.  But only
for the time being...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on September 13, 2014, 04:31:57 AM
I am not sure when the topic was lost. But I would like to share a video that my son shared with me today. It is for sure more on topic than 911 conspiracies involving jews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfbwXx1tOno
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 13, 2014, 05:20:58 AM
A gentleman over at be-do has taken the initiative to offer QEG kits for $15,000. He has kindly left a phone number to call.  I plan to place my order on the condition that I can order a fully assembled and tested QEG if I agree to pay little more for it. I'll report back my results. 

I think if enough people call he might be motivated to sell a fully operational QEG, given he could make more money. I would suggest not asking any difficult questions, just be sincere in your believe in the device.  Bang a gong perhaps just before you call to endure you are infused with the right kind of energy, and perhaps drop that you are a great fan on the OPPT, Heather, HopeGirl and the rest of the gang.

Here is the ad so that you too might order your own QEG: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/wanted-offered/546-q-e-g-kits-for-sale-with-the-new-cores (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/wanted-offered/546-q-e-g-kits-for-sale-with-the-new-cores)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 13, 2014, 06:29:40 AM
“I am not sure when the topic was lost. But I would like to share a video that my son shared with me today. It is for sure more on topic than 911 conspiracies involving jews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfbwXx1tOno”


When I see a STEP UP transformer, all I see it the transformer taking EXTRA energy from the air...SIMPLE SIMPLE SIMPLE. The law of taking extra energy from the AIR  just depends on the windings....BUT FREE ENERGY from the air.

AIR current is FREE ENERGY.
COLD is FREE ENERGY.
SUN is FREE ENERGY.
FIRE is FREE ENERGY.
MAGNETISM is FREE ENERGY.

Why? Because we all are created from the same thing.

Take for example those hoover dam power plants. They are harvesting river flow ENERGY and applying it to generators.

River current FREE ENERGY → generators that gather FREE ENERGY from air → distribute that FREE ENERGY to you and me.

IOW....they tap to FREE ENERGY and sell that FREE ENERGY to the people...for infinity!

Makes absolutely 100% basic sense.

Air, light, motion, magnetism, is all free...what only needs spending is human energy to create a devise that harvests that energy...and then be done with it...

Like the hoover damb generators......gathering FREE ENERGY from the river....and now they can be there for years/decades with no trouble or maintenance....for infinity to profit?

I kind of understood when he said the SUN is producing lots of ENERGY and the atmosphere acts as a “step down” transformer for the earth. Magnetism is part of the “step down transformer” and the air molecules.

Wake up people.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 13, 2014, 06:37:57 AM
A QEG to me is just “tapping” in to an unknown “river” in the frequency. IOW, instead of gathering the river current energy, we are tapping in to a frequency energy river.

So river frequency → transformer/generators = huge amounts of step up energy.

Same like Hoover damn (water flow)→ transformers/generators = huge amounts of step up energy.

Facts!

The hoover damb should belong to the people after we payed the cost of building it plus a percentage of profit. Does anyone know if the hoover damb has been paded yet by consumers money yet and they are just making FREE MONEY from FREE ENERGY?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 13, 2014, 06:44:43 AM
Joel you make no sense at all.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 13, 2014, 06:46:15 AM
I am not sure when the topic was lost. But I would like to share a video that my son shared with me today. It is for sure more on topic than 911 conspiracies involving jews.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfbwXx1tOno (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfbwXx1tOno)


That's a pretty long video. Can you please just tell me where he actually demonstrates the Free Energy device he is talking about?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 13, 2014, 06:47:45 AM
To shed some light upon some recent unfinished 'off topic' points, below is a link to an article called the "dancing Israeli's"...also can be found on youtube.

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html (http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html)


Further:  These so called "jews" involved are no more jewish than I am...and my roots on both sides go back to Scotland.

They are in fact 'Zionists', something entirely different...they merely wrap themselves in the so called jewish flag...which itself has nothing in common with the jewish people, but is a Zionist symbol of masonic origin.

Any true jewish flag would depict the menorah, and not some bizarre octogonal geometric symbol...which by the way the mason's are noted for.

It might interest some to google how many members of the US govt are dual israeli citizens.

Even 'architects and 'real' engineers' for 9/11 truth are unable to explain how the steel supports of 3 buildings were melted by jet fuel barely able to produce enough heat to cook pizza.

Perhaps the engineers here can offer an explanation.no one else can certainly.

And no plane ever hit building 7...or did the 2 planes somehow pull off a 3 pin split like in bowling ?

On 9/11 I was of the same mind as everyone else when the news bullitin came out...I concluded that it was the work of terrorists.

Something started to smell when it was reported that a plane struck the pentagon 40 minutes after the sec ond tower began burning.

I was no military expert, but even I was aware that the airspace around Washington was restricted air space...meaning ANY plane violating that zone without the proper access code would be immediately shot down.

Thing reallY began to smell as I watched the BBC feed from ABC fade into pixels as soon as building 7 began to fall directly behind the reporter in front of a window overlooking the 2 burning towers.

The problem she was well into 20 minutes of discussing all the ins and outs and reports of how building went down....BIG PROBLEM !!!

Then I watched Bush the stupid sit there for nearly fifteen minutes in a classroom during a well publisized 'book reading' at an elementary school, after his chief of staff Andrew Card whispered in his ear that the second tower hat been hit.

First order of business would have been to get the next possible target (Bush the stupid) to a safe location...especially considering that everybody knew where he was.

The only logical conclusion as to why they did not follow protocol is, that they knew he was in no danger...why ???

Because it was a inside job, thats why.

I might not know a whole lot about electronics, but I have learned a helluva lot about whats going on in this world...because I took the time to do the research...and rather thoroughly I might add.

Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 13, 2014, 07:12:27 AM
“Joel you make no sense at all.”

The air in your vehicle tires is FREE AIR gathered from the atmosphere where there is plenty of it all over.

Is there a power plant making AIR?

Is there a power plant making LIGHT?

Is there a power plant making WATER?

Your automobile is free energy compressed in to a bunch of FREE atoms together.

Does not the hoover tham gets it's energy from the river flowing?

The river does not belong to them since that water circulates around the world. Their structure can belong to them but the water does not because it is flowing all around the world.

SIMPLE.

Taping in to the earths free energy is what is all about. 100% facts. No human creates energy, they just gather it and distribute it from abudance of free energy all over the place.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 13, 2014, 08:18:05 AM
Joel:  This thread is not about renewable energy.  Most people understand quite well how solar energy ends up in the form of a hot cup of coffee.

Captain Zero:

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explain how the steel supports of 3 buildings were melted by jet fuel barely able to produce enough heat to cook pizza

Easy as pie.  You live in a dumbed-down era so many simple things don't make it "out" and even engineers can be bozos.  And you are one of the teeming millions sucking on the dumb-down-teat blissfully unaware.

The answer is that if you have a continuous source of heat in one place and no way for the heat to escape then the temperature must go up.  It one of the the most basic basic fundamentals.  That whole argument is complete nonsense because there is a ridiculously simple explanation.

I see a 9/11 thread has come back to life, further discussion should go there.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 13, 2014, 12:51:25 PM
"Joel:  This thread is not about renewable energy.  Most people understand quite well how solar energy ends up in the form of a hot cup of coffee."

What the hell is "renewable energy"?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 13, 2014, 02:01:19 PM
What the troll MethHigh would have you believe is that it is possible to warm up steel girders slowly in an isolated area enough to cause the entire structure to collapse and drop at free fall speed no less...and burn so uniformly, that 3, count 'em 3 buildings, fell uniformly and conveniently into their own confined footprints.

I guess nature is into burning things evenly now.

And notice how he failed to address all other points....they call that strategy 'cherry picking'.

And there you have it folks, a paid government shill exposed right before your very eyes, without a shadow of a doubt.

Just as i said he was all along.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 13, 2014, 03:06:16 PM
Captain Zero:

This thread has been derailed enough and there is another thread for 9/11 so go there.  I only wanted to address one point and you are dumbfounded.

As far as your stupid-ass comments go, kiss my ass you stupid bitch.   It's a wonder that you can even make it to the local shopping mall and back to buy milk considering how defective your cognitive function is.  You are handicapped for sure, the proof is right here for all to see.

You stop making an ass of yourself and you stop calling me a government shill.   Because if you persist in doing it I may as well claim that you are a child molester that gets a dripping dick whenever you walk into the children's clothing department at Walmart.  Shut your pathetic "I can't process information properly" mouth.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 13, 2014, 04:41:52 PM
So...to recap:

This piece of excrement drags me into this thread with an insult directed at me...implying that I am backing the QEG claims...when I made no such claim.

After straightening out that issue, I made a well reasoned comment regarding a point made by SeaMonkey and the troll then sticks his well browned nose into it, calling me a dummy, and offering up the same explanation for the building collapses that offered by Bush the stupid offered...just like all the other govt paid shills.

Now that the rat has been cornered, it counters with insinuations that this somehow makes me a child molester.

Where did this come from one might ask ?

The answer...his own twisted mind.

Is he also a child molester is what I am wondering now.

Just google the 'Franklin cover up' and you learn that the US govt is riddled with pedophiles,

The same goes with canadian govt, british govt, the so called royals, and the churches.

They are all into satanic ritual torture and murder of children, with a world wide network in place.

Those creatures hold a distinct advantage...they are highly organized and operate in secret...and have infiltrated every group or organization that has any influence over anything.

I wasn't kidding when I said that i have done a lot of research into how this planet operates.

And what they are involved in is beyond comprehension, and will turn your stomach.

Regards...





Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 13, 2014, 06:51:56 PM
Thanks for showing us all what a paranoid dysfunctional nutcase you are.  Now please just go to the 9/11 thread and go crazy.

Quote
implying that I am backing the QEG claims...when I made no such claim.

To be clear I stated that you would not, and don't have the guts, to denounce an obvious fraud like the QEG.  There is a distinct difference so stop spinning.  And it does have relevance.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing."

And you do nothing.  Please discuss 9/11 on the 9/11 thread.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 13, 2014, 07:53:31 PM
More projection of his attributes from the govt troll...when it is actually he who does absolutely nothing.


I highly doubt that this projecting piece of trash has nearly 25 years of work exposing pedophiles as I as a health care professional have...which is far from 'doing nothing'.

All done with the knowledge that it would come at great personal and financial sacrifice.

And...I will post what I want to post where ever it IO feel it is relevant to do so.

This thread has progressed far enough that it can do with more content than incessant troll bullsh!t.

Excuse me while I get back to doing "nothing".

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 13, 2014, 08:24:31 PM
So...to recap:

This piece of excrement drags me into this thread with an insult directed at me...implying that I am backing the QEG claims...when I made no such claim.

After straightening out that issue, I made a well reasoned comment regarding a point made by SeaMonkey and the troll then sticks his well browned nose into it, calling me a dummy, and offering up the same explanation for the building collapses that offered by Bush the stupid offered...just like all the other govt paid shills.

Now that the rat has been cornered, it counters with insinuations that this somehow makes me a child molester.

Where did this come from one might ask ?

The answer...his own twisted mind.

Is he also a child molester is what I am wondering now.

Just google the 'Franklin cover up' and you learn that the US govt is riddled with pedophiles,

The same goes with canadian govt, british govt, the so called royals, and the churches.

They are all into satanic ritual torture and murder of children, with a world wide network in place.

Those creatures hold a distinct advantage...they are highly organized and operate in secret...and have infiltrated every group or organization that has any influence over anything.

I wasn't kidding when I said that i have done a lot of research into how this planet operates.

And what they are involved in is beyond comprehension, and will turn your stomach.

Regards...
Your clearly a right wing conspiracy theory nut job! I feel sorry for you.  If we had easier access to mental healthcare in this country (USA) you could get treatment for your paranoid, delusional, obsessive condition. It seems that the only life you have is making many times cryptic  5 - 10 work quips, it's no wonder your post count is so high. Nothing of any real substance rarely do you say. You need to recognize your problem and seek help. Life is too short.

And a note on trolls: I'd rather be one than a troglodyte which you are. At least trolls get out and about.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on September 13, 2014, 08:39:42 PM
Toxic chemical troll quote:

" At least trolls get out and about. "



Evidently they do...but they still hate it when you refer to then, instead of addressing them directly.

Never look a troll, crazy person, or a drunk in the eye..unless you like being spit, drooled, or slobbered upon when they speak.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 13, 2014, 08:50:34 PM
Toxic chemical troll quote:

" At least trolls get out and about. "



Evidently they do...but they still hate it when you refer to then, instead of addressing them directly.

Never look a troll, crazy person, or a drunk in the eye..unless you like being spit, drooled, or slobbered upon when they speak.

Regards...
Troll at the top. You, the troglodyte, at the bottom. See the difference.  The one on the top is happy, carefree and smiling. The one on the bottom hates the world and just wants to do harm were ever he goes.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 14, 2014, 06:06:23 AM
This is the "Fix the World QEG CICU Giveback Agreement"

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
ICU Contact Name:
CICU Contact Email:
CICU Location:

CICU Website:
Todays Date:

This agreement is a free will choice made by the CICU to give to the Fix the World Organization (FTW) a portion of the profits of QEG’s sold by the CICU.  The amount of the giveback agreement can change or be cancelled at any time according to the needs of the CICU.  FTW will use proceeds of give back amounts to fund humanitarian projects and their operations.

Give back Agreement Terms (please choose one of the following)

____A) CICU agrees to give a % of the sale of each QEG to FTW.
If CICU Chose Option A then the % of the sale of each QEG is:______ and disbursed on______date

____B) CICU agrees to give a set $ amount of the sale of each QEG to FTW.

If CICU Chose Option B then the $ amount the sale of each QEG is:_____ and disbursed on ______ date

____C) CICU agrees to give a one-time lump sum  amount to FTW.

If CICU chose option C, the one-time lump sum amount will be $______ and disbursed on ______date


If Option A or B is chosen then CICU agrees to send give back amounts to FTW on the following basis: (choose one)

___Weekly
___Monthly
___Quarterly

Giveback amounts can be sent to FTW via paypal at the following email address: hopegirl587@gmail.com
Please complete this form and send to: fixtheworldproject@hotmail.com

Thank you!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Disgusting!  You have Hopeless Girl begging, and for the above you have a Hopeless Girl shakedown!

They actually used to state that you had to choose two out of three pay-back options!

http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10010&start=140

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
When you make your own QEG machine you are now agreeing to fund the Fix The World Organization, AKA Hope Girl's bank account. You must choose AT LEAST TWO of the following:
- A percentage of each QEG sale
- A fixed dollar amount of each QEG sale
- A lump sum dollar amount

So, even though Hope Girl has scammed $100k out of idiots on the internet to fund a free energy machine which doesn't work, she has already drawn up agreements to ensure she gets money out of every fellow scammer who tries this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Those poor New Age emo boys and girls that bought into this scam must be in a tizzy and they are running en masse for their candy pacifiers.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 14, 2014, 06:14:50 AM
And of course we can't forget that the entire thing is just a con job masquerading as a fantasy about helping poor people and in a broader sense revolutionizing the world.  In that context, no CICU will ever sell a working QEG to a customer, EVER.

Another comedic aspect of this whole farce is that if a fantasy hypothetical QEG was supposed to output the equivalent of mains power, it would have to be UL and CE certified.  Certainly Jamie knows this, he worked for an electrical appliance manufacturer.  Yet HopeGirl has never mentioned it once.

I have a dream.

The dream is to one day post mug shots of HopeGirl, Jamie, and Val.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 14, 2014, 06:50:25 AM
And of course we can't forget that the entire thing is just a con job masquerading as a fantasy about helping poor people and in a broader sense revolutionizing the world.  In that context, no CICU will ever sell a working QEG to a customer, EVER.

Another comedic aspect of this whole farce is that if a fantasy hypothetical QEG was supposed to output the equivalent of mains power, it would have to be UL and CE certified.  Certainly Jamie knows this, he worked for an electrical appliance manufacturer.  Yet HopeGirl has never mentioned it once.

I have a dream.

The dream is to one day post mug shots of HopeGirl, Jamie, and Val.
In the link you posted there is reference to a video that I do not recall seeing. But this guy did make the following observations from the video

Quote
In this video (http://youtu.be/y-c57Ib5HaA), they're using a transformer to "filter out" the reactive power, force the voltage and current into phase, and somehow convert reactive into real power. (Actually, they've apparently connected some sort of resistive load to the transformer, for which you expect voltage and current to be in phase, but never mind.)[/size]Thing is, they're connecting to the 3100 turn side of the machine, which is the one that contains the capacitors. And indeed, when they initially scope the leads on that side, it looks (from the relative voltage of the two traces shown) like current is leading voltage, which is precisely what you expect on a capacitor bank. I don't know what help it'd be trying to force current into phase with voltage on that side, given that the output is actually on the other winding, but, y'know, whatever makes you happy.What they are doing, though, is using the cap bank to produce a huge amount of reactive power. It will do that, naturally, and I think that's ultimately the point of the capacitors. They're throwing the caps across one set of windings, and it's generating a lot of VArs back into the machine, and also raising the voltage on those windings in order to support those VArs. Then, you take a semi-ignorant engineer or technician, who measures the current and voltage, multiplies, and, hey presto! Overunity! All this business about "resonance" is bunkum. They could put the same capacitors straight across the wall socket, and get similar results. (Well, not quite, since the reactive power would go back out the wall and into the power grid, but at any rate the rotating part of the machine is more for show than anything.)They're apparently clueful enough to realize that it's reactive power they're seeing, and to realize that the reactive power itself is pretty much useless in this context. So, trying to convert it to real power makes sense, assuming you don't understand how it comes into being, because if you did, you'd know that (a) the relation between the voltage and current is driven by the load, not the source alone, therefore you need to change the load to change the power factor; and (b) once you do change the load, you find that the reactive power doesn't turn into real power, but instead it just sort of vanishes. They are also apparently not clueful enough to realize that waving your hands carelessly around anything requiring a 20 kV probe, or involving an unguarded rotating shaft, is a bad idea.


Hey this was a great find! Some good stuff here.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 14, 2014, 10:58:17 AM
Is “renewable energy” the air that we breath all day every day? Kind of find it harddd to believe like “renewable” means anything of significance. OK.....I take one breath in....then I take another from the “renewable air”...What the hell.

So I always eat renewable food? Some how milehigh makes it seem like renewable is something majestic when it is basic air that he breaths...

What is the difference between “renewable” air VS regular air that you breath?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 14, 2014, 11:03:15 AM
Who makes that “renewable” energy?

Did you make  it?

How much do you pay to breath air a month?

Who do you pay money to breath air?

Because it is “renewable” means what exactly to you?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 14, 2014, 08:55:13 PM
Just for the heck of it, I posted to Kevin Blundell's YouTube channel.  He is the main guy responsible for QEG Canada:

Kevin, you stated this in June, "So, we have the circuit to convert the out of phase power, VARS into usable power...and there is a great deal more of it in the QEG than usable traditional in phase power.  It is so simple.  All you have to do, is let go of traditional brain washing and see the truth."

Sorry Kevin, but you are just parroting what you have been told, and you have been conned.  If Evens really believes this then where is he now, it's three months later, does he have a circuit to convert reactive power into real power?  "Reactive power" isn't even power, it's just the energy stored in the QEG's funky LC resonator.  There are about four Joules stored in the LC resonator - that's one watt of power for four seconds, or four watts of power for one second.  That's it, that's all there is.  In the QEG output power must come from the source, the electric motor.  In between the input and the output there is the LC resonator that can only store four Joules of energy - your famous "VARS."  There is NO conversion of "unphased" power to "phased" power - it's all nonsense.

You are on the verge of doing a real build.  Once it is built then you will rely on Evens to "do the magic."  Evens will probably try to make it work up until Christmas before giving up in frustration.   There will be no road show to demonstrate your amazing free energy device - because it doesn't work and it will never work.

The challenge for you Kevin is to speak out when you finally realize that you have been conned.  I read your Skype chats where you wanted to eject someone from the room that was questioning this whole thing.  You will realize that he was right the whole time and you became the suppressor.  I am just giving you the straight goods.  You have been sucked into a total BS vortex.  You are fully aware that Be-Do is basically dead and there is no positive development information anywhere.  I am begging you to speak out against this crap when you finally realize that you have been conned to prevent it from happening to someone else.  That is your real challenge.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 14, 2014, 10:46:00 PM
Just for the heck of it, I posted to Kevin Blundell's YouTube channel.  He is the main guy responsible for QEG Canada:

Kevin, you stated this in June, "So, we have the circuit to convert the out of phase power, VARS into usable power...and there is a great deal more of it in the QEG than usable traditional in phase power.  It is so simple.  All you have to do, is let go of traditional brain washing and see the truth."

Sorry Kevin, but you are just parroting what you have been told, and you have been conned.  If Evens really believes this then where is he now, it's three months later, does he have a circuit to convert reactive power into real power?  "Reactive power" isn't even power, it's just the energy stored in the QEG's funky LC resonator.  There are about four Joules stored in the LC resonator - that's one watt of power for four seconds, or four watts of power for one second.  That's it, that's all there is.  In the QEG output power must come from the source, the electric motor.  In between the input and the output there is the LC resonator that can only store four Joules of energy - your famous "VARS."  There is NO conversion of "unphased" power to "phased" power - it's all nonsense.

You are on the verge of doing a real build.  Once it is built then you will rely on Evens to "do the magic."  Evens will probably try to make it work up until Christmas before giving up in frustration.   There will be no road show to demonstrate your amazing free energy device - because it doesn't work and it will never work.

The challenge for you Kevin is to speak out when you finally realize that you have been conned.  I read your Skype chats where you wanted to eject someone from the room that was questioning this whole thing.  You will realize that he was right the whole time and you became the suppressor.  I am just giving you the straight goods.  You have been sucked into a total BS vortex.  You are fully aware that Be-Do is basically dead and there is no positive development information anywhere.  I am begging you to speak out against this crap when you finally realize that you have been conned to prevent it from happening to someone else.  That is your real challenge.

MH:

Well put.  I would bet that your post gets removed but, it was a good effort and maybe, just maybe, he will think about what you said when he finally figures out that it will not work as advertised.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 14, 2014, 10:51:23 PM
Who makes that “renewable” energy?

Did you make  it?

How much do you pay to breath air a month?

Who do you pay money to breath air?

Because it is “renewable” means what exactly to you?

The air you breath is renewed, otherwise you would be dead.  Humans require oxygen and breath out CO2, plants and trees take in CO2 and emit oxygen hence, it is renewed.  Renewable energy has nothing to do with whom you pay, it has to do with using energy from a source that continually makes it, or, renews it.  The sun, for example.  Wind, geothermal, hydro (which is actually solar as is the wind)...etc.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on September 15, 2014, 01:18:58 AM
Quote
Quote from: MileHigh on September 14, 2014, 06:14:50 AM

    And of course we can't forget that the entire thing is just a con job masquerading as a fantasy about helping poor people and in a broader sense revolutionizing the world.  In that context, no CICU will ever sell a working QEG to a customer, EVER.

    Another comedic aspect of this whole farce is that if a fantasy hypothetical QEG was supposed to output the equivalent of mains power, it would have to be UL and CE certified.  Certainly Jamie knows this, he worked for an electrical appliance manufacturer.  Yet HopeGirl has never mentioned it once.

    I have a dream.

    The dream is to one day post mug shots of HopeGirl, Jamie, and Val.

In the link you posted there is reference to a video that I do not recall seeing. But this guy did make the following observations from the video

Quote
Quote

    In this video, they're using a transformer to "filter out" the reactive power, force the voltage and current into phase, and somehow convert reactive into real power. (Actually, they've apparently connected some sort of resistive load to the transformer, for which you expect voltage and current to be in phase, but never mind.)[/size]Thing is, they're connecting to the 3100 turn side of the machine, which is the one that contains the capacitors. And indeed, when they initially scope the leads on that side, it looks (from the relative voltage of the two traces shown) like current is leading voltage, which is precisely what you expect on a capacitor bank. I don't know what help it'd be trying to force current into phase with voltage on that side, given that the output is actually on the other winding, but, y'know, whatever makes you happy.What they are doing, though, is using the cap bank to produce a huge amount of reactive power. It will do that, naturally, and I think that's ultimately the point of the capacitors. They're throwing the caps across one set of windings, and it's generating a lot of VArs back into the machine, and also raising the voltage on those windings in order to support those VArs. Then, you take a semi-ignorant engineer or technician, who measures the current and voltage, multiplies, and, hey presto! Overunity! All this business about "resonance" is bunkum. They could put the same capacitors straight across the wall socket, and get similar results. (Well, not quite, since the reactive power would go back out the wall and into the power grid, but at any rate the rotating part of the machine is more for show than anything.)They're apparently clueful enough to realize that it's reactive power they're seeing, and to realize that the reactive power itself is pretty much useless in this context. So, trying to convert it to real power makes sense, assuming you don't understand how it comes into being, because if you did, you'd know that (a) the relation between the voltage and current is driven by the load, not the source alone, therefore you need to change the load to change the power factor; and (b) once you do change the load, you find that the reactive power doesn't turn into real power, but instead it just sort of vanishes. They are also apparently not clueful enough to realize that waving your hands carelessly around anything requiring a 20 kV probe, or involving an unguarded rotating shaft, is a bad idea.

I can say I am able to observe the reactive power (activity) disappear when I tune the L/C tank with a fluro light fora load due to
it's nature, the activity builds up to several hundred volts and a couple of amps or so before the fluro strikes into conduction
when the voltage drops to 100 v or less while the current remains similar. A couple to a few hundred "VAR's" just go "poof" and
disappear, while the output is only a couple to a few Watts of real power hundreds of "VAR's" vanish.

It also happens when a resistive load or an inductive load is placed across the tank in slightly different ways-amounts.
Without the resistive load activity can be in the hundreds of vars but with the resistive load no amount of tuning can produce
more than 70 or 80% of the input as dissipated energy or consumed power.

With an inductive load like a transformer the VAR's can be kept fairly high in the L/C tank feeding the transformer but not at the
same level as no load and the load on the transformer can only dissipate at most 70 to 80% of the total input as well.

It's very easy to produce high VAR's in a tank, then load the tank in different ways to observe these things first hand.

What is not so easy is producing results that will be considered valid to an engineer or similar. Simply put nothing shown
that is outside of accepted engineering type results without engineering standard tests and methods can be accepted,
and that is fair and right as we trust these people to make things safe for us..

.............

I find it hilarious that so many people think they will one day get a free energy device that outputs the energy needs of
their home for next to nothing while going against the laws of physics, considering those same people will be wanting
an electrician trained in the very laws they deny to come and install it even though he would not understand it and have
no way of understanding how he can install it safely without knowing how it produces it's power output. Simply ridiculous.

Unless you can legally connect it to the grid then it needs to be a stand alone system, something the FTW groups will never
show because it is impossible to do the way they claim. It could be a stand alone unit if it had a wind turbine or a generator
of electricity from environmental energy input to supply it be then it would be useless anyway.

The QEG itself has no mechanism to harness environmental energy. And there is no evidence to support that it can.

Zero Evidence !!!!!

.........
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 15, 2014, 01:38:54 AM
Hay guys I have to whisper, but I the happy go lucky troll,  has I think slayed that zero of a troglodyte.  ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 15, 2014, 01:49:31 AM
In the link you posted there is reference to a video that I do not recall seeing. But this guy did make the following observations from the video


I can say I am able to observe the reactive power (activity) disappear when I tune the L/C tank with a fluro light fora load due to
it's nature, the activity builds up to several hundred volts and a couple of amps or so before the fluro strikes into conduction
when the voltage drops to 100 v or less while the current remains similar. A couple to a few hundred "VAR's" just go "poof" and
disappear, while the output is only a couple to a few Watts of real power hundreds of "VAR's" vanish.

It also happens when a resistive load or an inductive load is placed across the tank in slightly different ways-amounts.
Without the resistive load activity can be in the hundreds of vars but with the resistive load no amount of tuning can produce
more than 70 or 80% of the input as dissipated energy or consumed power.

With an inductive load like a transformer the VAR's can be kept fairly high in the L/C tank feeding the transformer but not at the
same level as no load and the load on the transformer can only dissipate at most 70 to 80% of the total input as well.

It's very easy to produce high VAR's in a tank, then load the tank in different ways to observe these things first hand.

What is not so easy is producing results that will be considered valid to an engineer or similar. Simply put nothing shown
that is outside of accepted engineering type results without engineering standard tests and methods can be accepted,
and that is fair and right as we trust these people to make things safe for us..

.............

I find it hilarious that so many people think they will one day get a free energy device that outputs the energy needs of
their home for next to nothing while going against the laws of physics, considering those same people will be wanting
an electrician trained in the very laws they deny to come and install it even though he would not understand it and have
no way of understanding how he can install it safely without knowing how it produces it's power output. Simply ridiculous.

Unless you can legally connect it to the grid then it needs to be a stand alone system, something the FTW groups will never
show because it is impossible to do the way they claim. It could be a stand alone unit if it had a wind turbine or a generator
of electricity from environmental energy input to supply it be then it would be useless anyway.

The QEG itself has no mechanism to harness environmental energy. And there is no evidence to support that it can.

Zero Evidence !!!!!

.........
This is an important first hand account that you have posted here of ethereal VARs. I think this needs to be posted on be-do.com. Get the juices flowing again over there as it were, put the cat among the pigeons, and so on and so on ....  I'd be happy to do that if you would provide me with a brief introduction of the work you are doing.  A little background to provide context for this important observation.


Like MH. TK, me, and others have been saying, there is no magic here. This is really 2nd year electrical engineering stuff.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 15, 2014, 01:54:57 AM
 Duplicate... Removed
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on September 15, 2014, 02:21:00 AM
Hi PCB, I'm just referring to my experiments form a month or so ago with the HF setup, I came to the conclusion that unless i could
show fairly accurate results I should show nothing, I don't need accurate measurements to know there is no extra energy, only to
show it. I can't spare the time yet still to get accurate results that will cost me a lot of time to discuss on the forum.

I should also say that of course when the Fluro strikes into conduction and a few hundred VAR's disappear the input also reduces
so it's obvious to me that the HF set up I have radiates quite a bit of power at full tilt with no load, about ten Watts in radiations very little heat to speak of so only possibility is radiations. It can make my head hurt, so I am wary of using it like that.

Except for radiations and heat the only other way the energy could escape when no load is present I can think of is stray
currents or ionization or something along those lines, I mean input from DC supply is say 1 Amp at 13 volts input with no output
but nothing gets hot enough to dissipate anywhere near that 13 Watts input to get high VAR's with no load, so to my thinking
about 10 Watts is being radiated or transferred out of the system by some mechanism.

So my question is.... Is that safe ? To be close enough to increase the input by approaching the setup with my hand means my
body is causing the setup to be more in tune and therefore I must conclude it might be possible that I'm part of the setup I'm
trying to measure. I'm not sure I;ll ever be able to get truly accurate measurements with my means.  :-\ No matter.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 15, 2014, 02:29:02 AM
 
So my question is.... Is that safe ? To be close enough to increase the input by approaching the setup with my hand means my
body is causing the setup to be more in tune and therefore I must conclude it might be possible that I'm part of the setup I'm
trying to measure. I'm not sure I;ll ever be able to get truly accurate measurements with my means.  :-\ No matter.

..
You are a giant (psysical) capacitor...low pf. RF is tough man that's why I went into digital. Too much hocus pocus for me.
I see the post counter is working again. I'm about 200 posts behind.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on September 15, 2014, 02:56:51 AM
You are a giant (psysical) capacitor...low pf. RF is tough man that's why I went into digital. Too much hocus pocus for me.
I see the post counter is working again. I'm about 200 posts behind.

Yes I'm a big cap.  ;D I wonder what my ESR is ? And if I can improve my ESR and Q ? Not my IQ just my Q,  hahahhaha.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 15, 2014, 05:34:48 AM
Bill:

Thanks for your comments.  It would be nice to see one of these misadventures end with truthful reporting of the results such that the instigators of this debacle and the main participants have to come face-to-face with the truth from the people who spent all the money to replicate.  An honest discussion of what transpired among all of them would be amazing.  Can you imagine a high-profile Be-Doer making a public posting to Naima Feagin saying, "HopeGirl, six teams that bought the core and made faithful replications and they all reported under unity results.  You said that it would work and I now see that you were misleading us."  And if they got bumped off of Be-Do they could post on Facebook and get the real message out.  That's what never happens.  You look around the web in general and all over the place people are discussing how this is junk.  But Be-Do and perhaps some Facebook pages are little North Koreas, insulated from the rest of the web by imaginary walls.  But you can't insulate all of Facebook, or the wider web.

Farmhand:

You might want to do some more research.  Your body is a big saline solution that conducts electricity.  So if you are in the presence of a near-field AC electric field it will induce AC currents in your body.  So your body can act like an AC resistor.  Naturally the amount of radiation emitted by your setup is amplitude and frequency dependent.  How your body reacts is amplitude and frequency dependent.  Naturally amplitude is also dependent on distance.  I don't know what your setup is or the frequencies you are operating at are.  In general terms for most of the setups you see where frequencies are under 1 MHz, I am pretty sure that the RF emanation is very low, like microwatts.  With that in mind I would suspect that most of you power is dissipating as heat.  MarkE or Picowatt would be the experts on that topic.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 15, 2014, 09:03:58 AM
“The air you breath is renewed, otherwise you would be dead.  Humans require oxygen and breath out CO2, plants and trees take in CO2 and emit oxygen hence, it is renewed.  Renewable energy has nothing to do with whom you pay, it has to do with using energy from a source that continually makes it, or, renews it.  The sun, for example.  Wind, geothermal, hydro (which is actually solar as is the wind)...etc.

Bill”

That was exactly my point. There is all of this energy all over the place that one just needs to gather in a big jar. Like the energy of the river of the Hoover damn....that energy alone is harvested to turn alternators to power up cities...ALL BASED ON THE RIVER ENERGY FLOW only.

Renewable has no significance to me because everything it renewable...that's life...when humans call renewable then the renewable energy is not really renewable.....they are just taking enrgy from the renewable energy.

How is oil renewable?

How is gas renewable?

How is gold renewable?

How is water renewable by a human after watering his grass?

It's kind of crazy....they take renewable anergy and call their theft renewable when after they waste it, is less renewable than from when they took it in the first place. IOW< taking renewable energy from the cycle and then calling it renewable energy when their trash is not renewable at all.

Again, the QEG is just a way for the poor to “tap” in to the free energy to get away from paying over inflated money for free energy.

Like I said, the river provides free energy for the people....we can all pitch in to make a new hoover damn with the peoples money to get free energy for all. Hell...bill gates, or any other rich guy, can make shit load of electric damns as charity = free electricity for all as long as we maintain them. Simple!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 15, 2014, 09:13:17 AM
Whit how much money can you buy the Hoover damn?

How much money did it cost to make the Hoover damn?

Since it was built, how much money has it made so far in the year 2014?

Has it payed for itself over unity?

Will there be a day where it can be notated to charity?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 15, 2014, 12:32:21 PM
Joel:

Like I previously stated, we are not discussing renewable energy in this thread.  Please feel free to discuss that elsewhere.

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Again, the QEG is just a way for the poor to “tap” in to the free energy to get away from paying over inflated money for free energy.

That is absolutely not true.  There is no evidence for this at all, it doesn't make sense because the core and spinning rotor have nothing to do with quantum energy, and the whole project is dying right now as we speak because nobody can make it work, and that includes Naima Feagin and Fix the World.  If you feel differently then offer up some credible and concrete proof to back up your statement.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 15, 2014, 10:30:29 PM
A clueless non-engineer who bought into the HopeLess Girl hype and is now stuck with two $3000 cores, and is now begging for help. This could be your first law suit right here. Somebody should contact him and enlighten him. Those Canadians do not like to be duped.


http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/wanted-offered/574-wanted-qeg-engineers-ottawa-toronto-montreal

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 16, 2014, 01:25:50 AM
PCB:

Great data mining!  lol  Yes that is Kevin of QEG Canada.  I had just reposted a posting I made on his first YouTube clip.  Also, I recalled afterwards reading how his partner Evens was in China of all places.  So after London apparently Evens went to China to bring a QEG to life with his (still unproven, not hopeful with the "A" vector nonsense and failure) engineering expertise.  Dial twiddling!  It makes you wonder.

Kevin seems desperate to get engineering support.  If Evens is back in Montreal he may be working full time.  There could be a form of "Catch 22" at play.  You need a qualified engineer but a qualified engineer wouldn't ever touch it.

It fits the pattern for a presumed typical QEG group.  Nobody with real technical knowledge trying to do basic circuit analysis, a phenomenon that you see elsewhere.

Good luck Kevin and I am waiting for you to flip!  lol

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 16, 2014, 01:44:45 AM
PCB:

Great data mining!  lol  Yes that is Kevin of QEG Canada.  I had just reposted a posting I made on his first YouTube clip.  Also, I recalled afterwards reading how his partner Evens was in China of all places.  So after London apparently Evens went to China to bring a QEG to life with his (still unproven, not hopeful with the "A" vector nonsense and failure) engineering expertise.  Dial twiddling!  It makes you wonder.

Kevin seems desperate to get engineering support.  If Evens is back in Montreal he may be working full time.  There could be a form of "Catch 22" at play.  You need a qualified engineer but a qualified engineer wouldn't ever touch it.

It fits the pattern for a presumed typical QEG group.  Nobody with real technical knowledge trying to do basic circuit analysis, a phenomenon that you see elsewhere.

Good luck Kevin and I am waiting for you to flip!  lol

MileHigh
Perhaps I'll contact him and suggest he send me one of the cores. I will be happily build the QEG for him. We are a woodworking business but I have a friend with an engineering workshop close by. I think its interesting the effects that Farmhand recently posted when he tried to draw "real" power and saw his Vars disappear. The same thing will happen with the QEG of course. Like you said per Simon's calc there if only about 2 - 4 Joules of energy stored in the tank circuit. There is no magical way for the energy to enter the system. It seems strange to me that Jamie has not gotten as far as FarmHand, else he has and is just lying about it. Not seen any recent post from HG. The use of an Ariel to capture charge, ground currents, or at least something, is Jamie's desperate attempt to redeem the situation. He now knows that WITTS cond him and FTW gang have egg all over their faces, plus they have pulled down over a $100,000+ from a gullible, but  ignorant, crowd of supporters.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 16, 2014, 02:45:25 AM
Perhaps I'll contact him and suggest he send me one of the cores. I will be happily build the QEG for him. We are a woodworking business but I have a friend with an engineering workshop close by. I think its interesting the effects that Farmhand recently posted when he tried to draw "real" power and saw his Vars disappear. The same thing will happen with the QEG of course. Like you said per Simon's calc there if only about 2 - 4 Joules of energy stored in the tank circuit. There is no magical way for the energy to enter the system. It seems strange to me that Jamie has not gotten as far as FarmHand, else he has and is just lying about it. Not seen any recent post from HG. The use of an Ariel to capture charge, ground currents, or at least something, is Jamie's desperate attempt to redeem the situation. He now knows that WITTS cond him and FTW gang have egg all over their faces, plus they have pulled down over a $100,000+ from a gullible, but  ignorant, crowd of supporters.


I hope some day soon those supporters/investors line up with pitchforks and torches and take issue with how they have been conned.  It appears it is all about to implode over there.  Of course, the MIB will be blamed for suppressing them and their "great" technology.


Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 16, 2014, 02:48:34 AM
Here is a way of looking at it:

You have an LC resonator.  Forget about the variable inductance, it's irrelevant.

Now to be more precise, it's an LCR resonator where R is the light bulb load.  Let's say the R is across the C.  The resonance frequency doesn't change when you add the R.

When you are not in resonance, the voltage across the C is low, and so the R doesn't really kick in.

When you are in resonance, the voltage across the C wants to get high, but then the R kicks in and starts draining power from the resonator.

Now you can look at the exponential decay of the resonating waveform for an LCR resonator.  It's just a Google search away.  As the resistance lowers the exponential decay in the resonating waveform is steeper and shorter in length.   With the light bulb load switched in, you can imagine the same kind of continuous "erosion" of the voltage waveform in the resonator.

So here is the pitch:  When you hit resonance, the LC resonator acts like a sort of notch filter/impedance matching filter that allows energy to flow into in the LC resonator, (that was provided a fraction of a second ago by the mechanical power from the electric motor) only then to be instantly drained away by the R, the light bulb load.

No resonance - no energy in the resonator - no significant amount of AC power going into the light bulb load.

Resonance - energy being pumped into the resonator because the resonator is amenable to energy being pumped in at the right frequency - and then that pumped in energy being instantaneously "stolen" by the light bulb load.

It's as simple as that - and there is no quantum nothing going on anywhere.

Standard disclaimer is that this would have to be checked out on the bench.  I may not be 100% correct, but what I state above is certainly not that far off from what is really happening.

Plus - we can't forget the major flaw - at certain angles of the rotor, the remaining magnetic energy stored in the core is shorted out - it goes into resistive heating of the coils - an energy sink into the oblivion of waste heat.  That's lost-forever power that never makes it to the light bulb load.

INTERESTING OBSERVATION:  When you are driving the QEG with the big honking electrical motor, there is still an AC sloshing of energy going on in the LCR resonator, even if you are not at resonance.  What are the waveforms and how much power is going into the light bulb load, even though the bulbs aren't lit?  How does that vary with frequency?  You would think that somebody would have checked this out but I am not aware of anybody doing it.

Even though it has been years and years for me, I could still dissect this thing inside-out if I really and truly wanted to.  Metaphysical proof that this is just an ordinary hunk of wire and metal.  I agree, the antenna nonsense is just pure desperation on Jamie's part.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 16, 2014, 05:02:36 AM
MileHigh, R does change the resonant frequency.  It is just that if the Q is high then damping is conversely small and the two frequencies are very close:

FDAMPED_RESONANT = FUNDAMPED * ( 1 - D2 ) 0.5

For example if Q = 10, D = 1/10 and FDAMPED_RESONANT = FUNDAMPED * ( 0.99 ) 0.5  ~= FUNDAMPED*0.995.

The damped resonant frequency can move by up to 30% lower than the undamped resonant frequency and the circuit will still ring.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 16, 2014, 05:16:46 AM
Thanks MarkE for the correction!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on September 16, 2014, 10:22:51 PM
Just for the heck of it, I posted to Kevin Blundell's YouTube channel.  He is the main guy responsible for QEG Canada:

Kevin,...
...
...

For information:
I just find it by hasard, do you know this site from Kevin Blundell (canada)?
http://truthseeker1313.com/about/
May been it's "your"  Kevin Blundell...
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 17, 2014, 12:00:13 AM
Isim:

I am pretty sure that it's the same Kevin Blundell.  Personally I have no interest in all of the Cabal/HAARP/Building 7/whatever business.  It looks like he would find kindred spirits on OU.

I am only interested in the people behind the QEG.

MleHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 17, 2014, 04:39:39 AM
Milehigh, forget about “renewable energy” which I don't agree is renewable based on the way it is used.

To get back to the Hopegirl QEG, you have to understand the way water ripples work. Where the starting ripple is someone who knows that it is a scam or perhaps does not understand the thing fully. It is the source of the ripple nonetheless. ok.

Lets say that WITTS (the ripple) is just benefiting on it and clamming it works 100%. So then he hides the technology and others are only guessing how it might work. Hopegirl might have fallen for this “hope”.

She may have fallen for this WITTS technology if it actually works and she wants the poor to benefit from it and unplug from the system. What we have here is her being scammed by the beliefs of the technology actually working. Now we have yet a victim with good intentions being scammed. With all of the trips and intentions, it is only a matter of time for the truth to come out eventually.

But then again, WITTS machine may actually works but he does not want to give the secret ingredient to the recipe. This project may have find the truth or may only find out that they where giving false hopes....

Still, I don't see how one can see this movement as something negative...in fact this is all going out to see the truth which is what everyone wants. Don't blame or insult the movement since they never needed your approval to start in the first place. What they are doing is very very brave putting themselves out there like they are. I'm sure you would never find the courage to take such a risk to your reputation.

Pretty simple stuff.

joe
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on September 17, 2014, 05:51:45 AM
Milehigh, forget about “renewable energy” which I don't agree is renewable based on the way it is used.

To get back to the Hopegirl QEG, you have to understand the way water ripples work. Where the starting ripple is someone who knows that it is a scam or perhaps does not understand the thing fully. It is the source of the ripple nonetheless. ok.

Lets say that WITTS (the ripple) is just benefiting on it and clamming it works 100%. So then he hides the technology and others are only guessing how it might work. Hopegirl might have fallen for this “hope”.

She may have fallen for this WITTS technology if it actually works and she wants the poor to benefit from it and unplug from the system. What we have here is her being scammed by the beliefs of the technology actually working. Now we have yet a victim with good intentions being scammed. With all of the trips and intentions, it is only a matter of time for the truth to come out eventually.

But then again, WITTS machine may actually works but he does not want to give the secret ingredient to the recipe. This project may have find the truth or may only find out that they where giving false hopes....

Still, I don't see how one can see this movement as something negative...in fact this is all going out to see the truth which is what everyone wants. Don't blame or insult the movement since they never needed your approval to start in the first place. What they are doing is very very brave putting themselves out there like they are. I'm sure you would never find the courage to take such a risk to your reputation.

Pretty simple stuff.

joe

"Brave" would be a huge understatement. Ignoring the ego and discounting the insurmountable wealth associated with bringing such a device to the world that actually worked and did what you claimed. Would be the ultimate selfless act of our time. But this is a magic carpet ride conceived by Hopegirl based on initial inaccurate testing from James that has spiralled out of control. Resulting in delay after delay, and countless thousands of dollars being spent on an idea that never ever produced overunity as claimed. The damage is already done!
In this case "Brave" would be coming forward and admitting that you made a mistake. Refund all the money raised through crowd funding. And apologize to all others that spent time and money on the device, believing that any day now you would provide them with the last bit of information needed to generate free electricity for ever.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 17, 2014, 07:18:13 AM
Milehigh, forget about “renewable energy” which I don't agree is renewable based on the way it is used.

To get back to the Hopegirl QEG, you have to understand the way water ripples work. Where the starting ripple is someone who knows that it is a scam or perhaps does not understand the thing fully. It is the source of the ripple nonetheless. ok.

Lets say that WITTS (the ripple) is just benefiting on it and clamming it works 100%. So then he hides the technology and others are only guessing how it might work. Hopegirl might have fallen for this “hope”.

She may have fallen for this WITTS technology if it actually works and she wants the poor to benefit from it and unplug from the system. What we have here is her being scammed by the beliefs of the technology actually working. Now we have yet a victim with good intentions being scammed. With all of the trips and intentions, it is only a matter of time for the truth to come out eventually.

But then again, WITTS machine may actually works but he does not want to give the secret ingredient to the recipe. This project may have find the truth or may only find out that they where giving false hopes....

Still, I don't see how one can see this movement as something negative...in fact this is all going out to see the truth which is what everyone wants. Don't blame or insult the movement since they never needed your approval to start in the first place. What they are doing is very very brave putting themselves out there like they are. I'm sure you would never find the courage to take such a risk to your reputation.

Pretty simple stuff.

joe

I have been reading no so smart post since the bulletin board system days.  The above is one of the most superlative examples of complete...

Would love to hear your rationale  for why my lotto ticket all 0's was not a winner.  Let me pull up a chair and prep for your ignoring all history and evidence and replace it with long golden hair, gingerbread people, and huff puffs that blow houses down.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 17, 2014, 08:08:48 AM
Milehigh, forget about “renewable energy” which I don't agree is renewable based on the way it is used.

To get back to the Hopegirl QEG, you have to understand the way water ripples work. Where the starting ripple is someone who knows that it is a scam or perhaps does not understand the thing fully. It is the source of the ripple nonetheless. ok.

Lets say that WITTS (the ripple) is just benefiting on it and clamming it works 100%. So then he hides the technology and others are only guessing how it might work. Hopegirl might have fallen for this “hope”.

She may have fallen for this WITTS technology if it actually works and she wants the poor to benefit from it and unplug from the system. What we have here is her being scammed by the beliefs of the technology actually working. Now we have yet a victim with good intentions being scammed. With all of the trips and intentions, it is only a matter of time for the truth to come out eventually.

But then again, WITTS machine may actually works but he does not want to give the secret ingredient to the recipe. This project may have find the truth or may only find out that they where giving false hopes....

Still, I don't see how one can see this movement as something negative...in fact this is all going out to see the truth which is what everyone wants. Don't blame or insult the movement since they never needed your approval to start in the first place. What they are doing is very very brave putting themselves out there like they are. I'm sure you would never find the courage to take such a risk to your reputation.

Pretty simple stuff.

joe
Joe:  WITTS have never delivered on the world changing technology that they claim, including their version of this entirely useless contraption. Neither Naima (Hope Girl) nor James, nor anyone else ever obtained one nanoJoule of excess energy from any of their devices.  There is nothing in FTW's measurements that suggests surplus energy.  Their claims to excess energy have no basis in theory or experiment.  That's the truth.  What has come from the Robitaille clan is one misrepresentation or outright lie after another.  Those lies have induced well intentioned people to part with money thinking it will speed  along arrival of a world changing machine.  The funds have done nothing of the sort.  They have financed the Robitaille's travel and entertainment.  For the money invested so far in the Robitaille's false claims, 10,000 families that rely on kerosene could have been provided with solar powered LED lights.  That would be 10,000 families that would no longer be spending 30% of their income on kerosene fuel for light.  Actions have consequences.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sparks on September 17, 2014, 07:06:37 PM
   There is an explanation for quantum energy generators.  We have alot of them converting atomic binding energy into kinetic energy.   There is also a whole slew of low energy nuclear reactions coming in from the fringe.  It could be that some of these people like Witt had a transmutation process going like taking some iron isotope and converting it into cobalt.  Electron capture initiates neutron decay into a proton and beta radiation.  The strong nuclear force keeps the proton at home forming a new element and the fast beta particle loses some of it's energy bumping another electron into the core of adjacent atoms.  Not all the beta is absorbed in the collision and you get alot of fast electrons originally moving at relativistic velocities now moving at the snails pace electrons move through a conductor.  This is all dictated by the weak nuclear force.   It could explain how some of these backyard science people come up with anomalous "heating"effects like hot light bulbs.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on September 17, 2014, 08:53:37 PM
   There is an explanation for quantum energy generators.  We have alot of them converting atomic binding energy into kinetic energy.   There is also a whole slew of low energy nuclear reactions coming in from the fringe.  It could be that some of these people like Witt had a transmutation process going like taking some iron isotope and converting it into cobalt.  Electron capture initiates neutron decay into a proton and beta radiation.  The strong nuclear force keeps the proton at home forming a new element and the fast beta particle loses some of it's energy bumping another electron into the core of adjacent atoms.  Not all the beta is absorbed in the collision and you get alot of fast electrons originally moving at relativistic velocities now moving at the snails pace electrons move through a conductor.  This is all dictated by the weak nuclear force.   It could explain how some of these backyard science people come up with anomalous "heating"effects like hot light bulbs.

Every sun mass star and below emits a neutrino for *each* hydrogen to hydrogen fusion, in the PEP-II pathway. Also exploding NOVA stars only explode because of incredibly copious production of neutrinos drives the explosion forward. So there are a lot of them around.
They carry away the precise angular momentum energy of constituents to the PEP reaction. Neutrinos are normally ghostlike particles that
move though matter with an extremely low probability of interaction. But in a Planck interaction if the reaction needs just the right
amount of energy available to the neutrino the probabilities go out the window and a neutrino supplies it's energy to the reaction.
Enough energy to bond the proton and electron which then merge into a neutron with => no additional energy left over <= a neutron
drifts away and gets absorbed into another local atomic nucleus, increasing it's neutron count by one, if this neutron makes the nucleus
radioactive, the nuclear process fission proceeds to generate heat. Notice that this reaction is not a chain reaction, but is rate limited
by the presence of additional neutrinos and the conditions of other matter. Which atomic nucleus absorbs the drift neutron can be to
some extent dependent on the material configuration around the reaction site.

Question to knowledgeable physicist: Is there systemic balance that is violated if a neutrino is absorbed by a configuration
of electron and proton to create the neutron? If not the reaction is not accidental as the energy of the PEP-II neutrino has
been calculated as exactly what is required to form the electron and proton into a neutron.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: mscoffman on September 17, 2014, 09:27:31 PM
Joe:  WITTS have never delivered on the world changing technology that they claim, including their version of this entirely useless contraption. Neither Naima (Hope Girl) nor James, nor anyone else ever obtained one nanoJoule of excess energy from any of their devices.  There is nothing in FTW's measurements that suggests surplus energy.  Their claims to excess energy have no basis in theory or experiment.  That's the truth.  What has come from the Robitaille clan is one misrepresentation or outright lie after another.  Those lies have induced well intentioned people to part with money thinking it will speed  along arrival of a world changing machine.  The funds have done nothing of the sort.  They have financed the Robitaille's travel and entertainment.  For the money invested so far in the Robitaille's false claims, 10,000 families that rely on kerosene could have been provided with solar powered LED lights.  That would be 10,000 families that would no longer be spending 30% of their income on kerosene fuel for light.  Actions have consequences.

I agree, there is no justification for not having tested this device completely before proceeding with their public release. The
initial form of the release document had significant anomalies that appear to be caused by lack of attention. One doesn't learn
AC power theory in public as one tries to test the device output for the first time. The device was inefficient to the extent there
was no recovery by repurposing it. Trusting Timothy Thrapp appears now to be ill-considered. There were better overunity
devices that deserved that development money. Finally there are the people that they were supposed to helped but were not.
Success has many fathers, while failure is an orphan.

:S:MarkSCoffman
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 17, 2014, 10:21:19 PM
   There is an explanation for quantum energy generators.  We have alot of them converting atomic binding energy into kinetic energy.   There is also a whole slew of low energy nuclear reactions coming in from the fringe.  It could be that some of these people like Witt had a transmutation process going like taking some iron isotope and converting it into cobalt.  Electron capture initiates neutron decay into a proton and beta radiation.  The strong nuclear force keeps the proton at home forming a new element and the fast beta particle loses some of it's energy bumping another electron into the core of adjacent atoms.  Not all the beta is absorbed in the collision and you get alot of fast electrons originally moving at relativistic velocities now moving at the snails pace electrons move through a conductor.  This is all dictated by the weak nuclear force.   It could explain how some of these backyard science people come up with anomalous "heating"effects like hot light bulbs.
The simple, direct, and correct explanation is that the claims WITTS and FTW make are lies.  Come up with the surplus energy first.  Then it makes sense to try and explain such a thing.  Since neither Witts nor FTW have demonstrated surplus energy, there is nothing to explain beyond the shameless behavior of both.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: john_doe on September 18, 2014, 02:24:28 AM
It's such a shame that people on an "OverUnity" forum would appear so arrogant and ignorant. I came to this forum expecting most people to understand the reality of "overunity" or "free energy" as I do.

I'm so disappointed. I honestly expected those actually capable of helping, would.
Why so called "intelligent" members of this forum persist in reducing the content down to a monetary reward says more about them then they realise.

Over exposure to radiation results in burns capable of melting skin. Consider you or your children suffering as those have in Japan then, apply some intellect and realise the gravity of "Free Energy".

From what I've read, people on this forum would indeed loose control of their bowls if they actually were capable of building a device that could provide "free energy".
This QEG fiasco isn't anything more than insulting & degrading to those that need a better supply of energy.
I really liked the idea of the alternate magnetic principal proposed on another thread because it allowed people to visualise the solar system in a new light (be it correct or incorrect) and I hoped people would take something more away from it or at least be inspired to try something different.

Credit is due to the effort of those that have shined a light on the mistakes the "FTW" cheats have passed off though I really wish people would see things the way I do. We would have these devices installed in our vehicles already.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 18, 2014, 10:58:21 AM
“Joe:  WITTS have never delivered on the world changing technology that they claim, including their version of this entirely useless contraption. Neither Naima (Hope Girl) nor James, nor anyone else ever obtained one nanoJoule of excess energy from any of their devices.  There is nothing in FTW's measurements that suggests surplus energy.  Their claims to excess energy have no basis in theory or experiment.  That's the truth.  What has come from the Robitaille clan is one misrepresentation or outright lie after another.  Those lies have induced well intentioned people to part with money thinking it will speed  along arrival of a world changing machine.  The funds have done nothing of the sort.  They have financed the Robitaille's travel and entertainment.  For the money invested so far in the Robitaille's false claims, 10,000 families that rely on kerosene could have been provided with solar powered LED lights.  That would be 10,000 families that would no longer be spending 30% of their income on kerosene fuel for light.  Actions have consequences.”

Dude i'm a newbie to this but I find it unbelievable that someone in here with 3386 posts (like you) not capable of seeing what is really going on.

After watching videos upon videos showing how “free energy” is gathered from the earth is amazing how you don't believe it is a fact 100%.

Like the hoover damn...all of that energy is “gathered” from the river flow ENERGY only. Then you have solar power gathering energy from the light. Then you have air power gathering energy from the air...HECK we breath “free energy” when we take a breath each day since the air is a way to gather energy...eating food is a way to gather energy too. Drinking water is yet another way to gather “free energy”...it is all over the place this “free collecting energy” that I find it hard to understand why you have a hard time to understand.

The intentions of hopegirl are just to unplug yourself from the system...that's all....lets say the QEG goes down in the history books...no problem...we have others...”bloom box” rivers to tap too...etc....i mean how hard is it to believe that on every river there can can be a generator? Is it illegal for me to create a small hoover damb for my house?

How hard is it to believe that there are engines that can run on water? Torches that can create a flame and melt metal when it is fueled by water? All of this technology is just being suppressed by greed....i mean just read about the history of money. It started by the exchange of goods...and now there is no exchange of goods....printed paper for infinity only. I think I read the difference between printing a $100 dollar bill VS a $1 dollar bill.. its like ten cents difference between the two.....they pay for the ink to print two zeros and different graphics.

There is so much evidence...if the QEG fails to make it in the masses...there are a lot of other “over unity” devices out there that have worked since 30 yrs ago (or more).

The problem is that most of the inventors want to get rich but soon get faded out.....their only hope is to make it free for all and then it can't never get faded out because the people are voters. I seriously find it incredibly hard to understand why you don't understand this simple stuff.

Hope girl just wants to help the non-technical people where the technical people are just cash cows only. Make it open source...they stop being afraid of being persecuted.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 18, 2014, 01:54:01 PM
Joe:

That posting was basically a repeat of your discussion about renewable energy.  You have been told repeatedly that we are not discussing renewable energy in this thread.  What is your problem?  There is no connection whatsoever between renewable energy and the QEG.

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Dude i'm a newbie to this but I find it unbelievable that someone in here with 3386 posts (like you) not capable of seeing what is really going on.

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I seriously find it incredibly hard to understand why you don't understand this simple stuff.

The above comments are nonsensical Straw Man arguments where you are trying to allege that MarkE does not "see" or understand the issues around renewable energy, or issues about the QEG.  That is not true at all.  When you post nonsensical things like that you only hurt your credibility.

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The intentions of hopegirl are just to unplug yourself from the system...

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Hope girl just wants to help the non-technical people where the technical people are just cash cows only.

You have also been told that the QEG does not work, and there is no evidence that it does work.  There is ample evidence that it does not work.  Therefore your two statements above are nonsense.

Please understand, in this discussion you are free to make real points and make your arguments.  But going off topic and talking about renewable energy or making Straw Man arguments about some people or making unsubstantiated allegations about the QEG will not impress anybody.

You have to be real and truthful and stay on topic.  Are you capable of seeing what is really going on?

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on September 18, 2014, 05:33:06 PM
Quote from: MilesHigher
Joe:

That posting was basically a repeat of your discussion about renewable energy.  You have been told repeatedly that we are not discussing renewable energy in this thread.  What is your problem?  There is no connection whatsoever between renewable energy and the QEG.
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Please understand, in this discussion you are free to make real points and make your arguments.  But going off topic and talking about renewable energy or making Straw Man arguments about some people or making unsubstantiated allegations about the QEG will not impress anybody.

You have to be real and truthful and stay on topic.  Are you capable of seeing what is really going on?

MileHigh

In the minds of some experimenters there is a
connection, a possible dependency, or an overlap. ???

Is the human mind capable of "staying on topic?" ::)

Our ability to remain focused seems to be limited.
Even the Great Miles Higher has been known to have
been distracted or for other reasons drift off course
(topic) from time to time. :o

Broad lines of discussion are often necessary as we
strive to resolve conflicting thoughts or seek
understanding of what seems incomprehensible. ???

But then, this tends to drive the Thought Police up
the wall... >:(

As the World Turns. 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sparks on September 18, 2014, 06:12:40 PM
Every sun mass star and below emits a neutrino for *each* hydrogen to hydrogen fusion, in the PEP-II pathway. Also exploding NOVA stars only explode because of incredibly copious production of neutrinos drives the explosion forward. So there are a lot of them around.
They carry away the precise angular momentum energy of constituents to the PEP reaction. Neutrinos are normally ghostlike particles that
move though matter with an extremely low probability of interaction. But in a Planck interaction if the reaction needs just the right
amount of energy available to the neutrino the probabilities go out the window and a neutrino supplies it's energy to the reaction.
Enough energy to bond the proton and electron which then merge into a neutron with => no additional energy left over <= a neutron
drifts away and gets absorbed into another local atomic nucleus, increasing it's neutron count by one, if this neutron makes the nucleus
radioactive, the nuclear process fission proceeds to generate heat. Notice that this reaction is not a chain reaction, but is rate limited
by the presence of additional neutrinos and the conditions of other matter. Which atomic nucleus absorbs the drift neutron can be to
some extent dependent on the material configuration around the reaction site.

Question to knowledgeable physicist: Is there systemic balance that is violated if a neutrino is absorbed by a configuration
of electron and proton to create the neutron? If not the reaction is not accidental as the energy of the PEP-II neutrino has
been calculated as exactly what is required to form the electron and proton into a neutron.


    Interesting energy from the aether.   If a hydrogen atom turns into a neutron (due to electron capture in a neutrino rich enviroment) and the neutron decays back into a proton right next to another decaying neutron wouldn't the coulumb barrier problem be overcome?  If there are enough gluons around you get cold fusion-if there aren't you get two protons moving pretty quickly away from each other along with the beta.  The protons slam into stuff and heat it up.  The beta displaces electrons allowing for the protons to stay ionized long enough for the coulumb force to kick in and mutually accelerate the protons.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 19, 2014, 12:31:12 AM
Sorry SeaMonkey, I am not buying.  Recently you have been pushing "C," "ET," and "J" and making strategic little postings to try to change the subject and get some "action."  Just start your own thread or threads instead.  There is no connection between renewable energy and the QEG and I am pretty damn sure that you know that too.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 19, 2014, 03:06:55 AM


Dude i'm a newbie to this but I find it unbelievable that someone in here with 3386 posts (like you) not capable of seeing what is really going on.

After watching videos upon videos showing how “free energy” is gathered from the earth is amazing how you don't believe it is a fact 100%.

Like the hoover damn...all of that energy is “gathered” from the river flow ENERGY only. ...there are a lot of other “over unity” devices out there that have worked since 30 yrs ago (or more).


So, you admit to being a newb to all of this yet you state that free energy from the earth is a fact, 100%?  What do you base this conclusion upon?  Videos?  Replications?

Umm...all dams, like the Hoover dam you mentioned, work as a direct result of solar power...you know....sun heats water...it evaporates and it rains up in the mountains...gravity make it flow down hill...you know this right?

O.U. devices "working for 30 years"????  Where is your evidence for such a silly statement?  Just show us one...just one...that is all we would like to see.  You just claimed that there are "a lot" of them so this should be easy for you to do.  You will not be able to do this because there are NONE.  Not one single device that has been proven to be overunity...period.  So just name one and show the proof and we will all be thrilled.

The QEG has been totally exposed by the smart guys on here as a scam and a fraud, and that it can not do anything like what they have claimed, so, I do hope you do not claim that one as your proven O.U. device.

I do not mean to sound like I am picking on you but, you admit to being new to all of this, and then you make definitive statements which we all know are false, and you call into question a highly intelligent, highly educated, and highly respected member's (MarkE) postings claiming that they are not correct.  This is why I had to respond.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: raburgeson on September 19, 2014, 03:50:31 AM
In the past on main line news the U.S. government admitted they had overunity devices in space. They also admitted they have IDed 5 types of energy the rest of the world knows nothing about. Bet you can't find anything on the net about it now. Check with older news hounds on the net, they will remember. You might get lucky and even find a person that has archived these articles.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on September 19, 2014, 06:55:35 AM
Quote from: MilesHigher
Sorry SeaMonkey, I am not buying.  Recently you have been pushing "C," "ET," and "J" and making strategic little postings to try to change the subject and get some "action."  Just start your own thread or threads instead.  There is no connection between renewable energy and the QEG and I am pretty damn sure that you know that too.

Miles,

I'm baffled! ???

What, pray tell, are "C,"  "ET," and "J?" ???

What is fairly obvious is that the QEG as it is presently
designed and operated falls short.  Some important
feature or control mechanism is being overlooked.
The alleged fully functional unit requires some sort of
complex electronic control unit which hasn't entered
into most of the discussion.  What might it be? ???

In your mind there certainly cannot be any connection
between Renewable Energy and the QEG.  At least not
yet.  Give it more time and further study. ;)

The overly simplified present design of the QEG may be
intentional.  A distraction.  Purposely flawed. :o

The doorway out of your imprisoning box has been cracked
open. 8)

Change the subject? ???

Nay!  Expand the possibilities! ;)

Are you unaware that the solutions to most problems come
to mind while the mind is wandering?  Or even dreaming? ;D

Rigid confinement to narrow thinking is counterproductive... :(

Even Spock came to appreciate this. ::)


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 19, 2014, 07:45:42 AM
“O.U. devices "working for 30 years"????  Where is your evidence for such a silly statement?  Just show us one...just one...that is all we would like to see.  You just claimed that there are "a lot" of them so this should be easy for you to do.  You will not be able to do this because there are NONE.  Not one single device that has been proven to be overunity...period.  So just name one and show the proof and we will all be thrilled.”

It is all over the INTERNET and I don't have time to spoon feed you the information that is 100% common sense out there all over the inter from bits and bits and bits and bits gathered and put them together.

A very well known fact that you can go see for your self and take pictures and maybe buy one and reverse engineer is the “bloom box” which Google and other companies have them. If I had the money to buy one, I would and reverse engineer....but I don't have the money but it makes 100% sense how it works. Time and time again we see that humans get the energy from the atmosphere. The air you breath is ingesting it and processing it to get the FREE energy from the air. The body also requires WATER to live....you dring it because it has energy in it that the body needs and then you piss out the waste that it is ENERGY for another type of animal and the climate. ETC ETC ETC.

I might have used the word “overunity” but what I really meant is the simple fact of going to the grocery store to buy food. You spend gas and body movement energy to walk/drive there...you come home with food that will last you for months. The energy that you put to buy food you only needed a cheeseburger you probably ate at lunch time. I can go to the grocery store and buy 4 months worth of food in 2 hours with an empty stomach yet I yet this much food back in my refrigerators?

The same principal is all over the place. Another example look as the EARTH being a big battery? The earth as it sits is a big battery that will last for millions of years. Gathering energy from where it's is located and the atmosphere. How do you explain the earth having all of this FREE ENERGY that sustains life? The earth it is a self contained battery that we live in and will last for millions of years. Not that hard to understand.

Now if we look in the micro world and look at all the waves one by one....those waves have resonance for millions of years. Maybe in the future millions of years, the light waves will “mutate” to make a new type of wave. But for now, they are waves self contained waves vibrating at their own tune since light first was created. How is light being so perfectly balanced that light has not mutated? = self contained energy in my book.

There is so much evidence out there to nor believe that more power can be made with little power. Year after year things are made more efficient. Look at the car tesla model s car....90 something miles equivalent to the gasoline cars for gallon...etc etc etc....

This QEG is just a grain of sand compared to all of the other QEG's. As a newbie to this QEG movement, I am not a newbie to understand the facts of how this world works!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 19, 2014, 07:58:24 AM
Pirate88179, since you are an expert in these things. How much energy is put in to the hoover damn with water and how much energy comes out at the generators? Then can you tell me the percentage different what goes in and comes out?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 19, 2014, 08:06:18 AM
You just have to laugh at these poor people. Look at what they have come up with now:


http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/580-solid-state-qeg#2653 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/580-solid-state-qeg#2653)


It took them longer than I expected, though.


Remember this, Be-Do QEGgers?
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf (http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf)


The fools at PESN have lied about me and my microQEG, time and time again, claiming that I somehow faked the results or the effects shown in the videos. This whole affair is a great comedy for those of us who haven't spent thousands of dollars on their QEG cores, and a great tragedy for those who have.


But at least Shean at Be-Do Forum has wised up a little bit and has removed the "15 thousand dollar kit" advertisement.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 19, 2014, 08:15:46 AM
“Joe:  WITTS have never delivered on the world changing technology that they claim, including their version of this entirely useless contraption. Neither Naima (Hope Girl) nor James, nor anyone else ever obtained one nanoJoule of excess energy from any of their devices.  There is nothing in FTW's measurements that suggests surplus energy.  Their claims to excess energy have no basis in theory or experiment.  That's the truth.  What has come from the Robitaille clan is one misrepresentation or outright lie after another.  Those lies have induced well intentioned people to part with money thinking it will speed  along arrival of a world changing machine.  The funds have done nothing of the sort.  They have financed the Robitaille's travel and entertainment.  For the money invested so far in the Robitaille's false claims, 10,000 families that rely on kerosene could have been provided with solar powered LED lights.  That would be 10,000 families that would no longer be spending 30% of their income on kerosene fuel for light.  Actions have consequences.”

Dude i'm a newbie to this but I find it unbelievable that someone in here with 3386 posts (like you) not capable of seeing what is really going on.

After watching videos upon videos showing how “free energy” is gathered from the earth is amazing how you don't believe it is a fact 100%.

There seems to be a definition issue here.  Liars like the Robitaille clan and WITTS claim that they get energy from unrecognized sources.  They are unable to show actual surplus energy out in excess or conventional energy measured going in.  Renewable sources like:  hydro, wind, and solar are all recognized energy sources.
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Like the hoover damn...all of that energy is “gathered” from the river flow ENERGY only.  Then you have solar power gathering energy from the light. Then you have air power gathering energy from the air...HECK we breath “free energy” when we take a breath each day since the air is a way to gather energy...eating food is a way to gather energy too. Drinking water is yet another way to gather “free energy”...it is all over the place this “free collecting energy” that I find it hard to understand why you have a hard time to understand.

The intentions of hopegirl are just to unplug yourself from the system...that's all....lets say the QEG goes down in the history books...no problem...we have others...”bloom box” rivers to tap too...etc....i mean how hard is it to believe that on every river there can can be a generator? Is it illegal for me to create a small hoover damb for my house?

One can only guess at her intentions.  One can observe that her actions are a series of lies.  One can observe that the machine she touts can never provide the free lunch that she promises it will for the buyer as opposed to the free travel her promotions have afforded her.
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How hard is it to believe that there are engines that can run on water?

As there is no evidence of such a thing, it is easy to imagine, but hard to believe.
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Torches that can create a flame and melt metal when it is fueled by water?
Again there is no evidence of such things.  Show me the hydrogen torch that operates stand alone from a bucket of water and I'll look very closely.
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All of this technology is just being suppressed by greed....i mean just read about the history of money.
How is it that you both describe this stuff and claim that it is suppressed?  Electrolysis is widely studied.  Suppression is a convenient excuse offered for why claims don't match reality.
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  It started by the exchange of goods...and now there is no exchange of goods....printed paper for infinity only. I think I read the difference between printing a $100 dollar bill VS a $1 dollar bill.. its like ten cents difference between the two.....they pay for the ink to print two zeros and different graphics.

There is so much evidence...if the QEG fails to make it in the masses...there are a lot of other “over unity” devices out there that have worked since 30 yrs ago (or more).
Really?  Then please identify at least one and let's get it going.
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The problem is that most of the inventors want to get rich but soon get faded out.....their only hope is to make it free for all and then it can't never get faded out because the people are voters. I seriously find it incredibly hard to understand why you don't understand this simple stuff.
Simple:  Where's your evidence to back your bravado?
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Hope girl just wants to help the non-technical people where the technical people are just cash cows only. Make it open source...they stop being afraid of being persecuted.
So far, Hope Girl has swindled more than $100K from a bunch of wide eyed dreamers.  She has in a year of claiming to be just weeks away from offering a free lunch for all delivered nothing but disappointment to those who have funded her.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 19, 2014, 08:53:25 AM
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There seems to be a definition issue here.  Liars like the Robitaille clan and WITTS claim that they get energy from unrecognized sources.  They are unable to show actual surplus energy out in excess or conventional energy measured going in.  Renewable sources like:  hydro, wind, and solar are all recognized energy sources.

You have to see that their QEG is only one of many out there.....if you see in the micro world, from where is the atom getting its energy? From hoover damn?

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One can only guess at her intentions.  One can observe that her actions are a series of lies.  One can observe that the machine she touts can never provide the free lunch that she promises it will for the buyer as opposed to the free travel her promotions have afforded her.

You have to understand how to psychoanalyze a person to understand their intentions. Show me proof of how well you can read peoples intentions, then I can find you as a legit person who understands peoples' intentions. As of now, I feel like you nannot understand peoples' intentions at all.

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As there is no evidence of such a thing, it is easy to imagine, but hard to believe.
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The army just posted such a find bro. Google it which it makes be feel like you are not being up to date to the technology. The army will power their boats in the future with water from the ocean. Plus other people have raned cars in the past with water only....no gasoline...and i'm a newbie here!
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Again there is no evidence of such things.  Show me the hydrogen torch that operates stand alone from a bucket of water and I'll look very closely.
youtube it...you are not a GOD.
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How is it that you both describe this stuff and claim that it is suppressed?  Electrolysis is widely studied.  Suppression is a convenient excuse offered for why claims don't match reality.
Go interview the manager that priints money and ask them how much does it cost to print a one dollar bill VS a 100 dollar bill...i'll bet you one dollar it is in the 10-20 cents difference. DO you want me to spoon feed you the info...I can't...but the facts are there.
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Simple:  Where's your evidence to back your bravado?
How do you explain the energy the earth gets to sustain itself for millions of years?
Break it down to magnetism, light, air, sound, and gravity....you can throw in “the big bang” there if you want to...but break it down to the source of all ENERGY!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 19, 2014, 09:15:55 AM
You have to see that their QEG is only one of many out there.....if you see in the micro world, from where is the atom getting its energy? From hoover damn?
The QEG is indeed only one of many claimed free energy devices that do not work.  What you think connects scams like these to nuclear physics or hydroelectric dams escapes me.
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You have to understand how to psychoanalyze a person to understand their intentions. Show me proof of how well you can read peoples intentions, then I can find you as a legit person who understands peoples' intentions. As of now, I feel like you nannot understand peoples' intentions at all.

Or we can keep things much simpler and and put aside any attempt to divine out intentions.  The Robitailles have demonstrated that they lie freely, don't understand basic physics or electronics, and have nothing that substantiates their grandiose claims.
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The army just posted such a find bro. Google it which it makes be feel like you are not being up to date to the technology. The army will power their boats in the future with water from the ocean.
No, the US Navy has stated that they have been working on a process to use masssive electrical energy to produce liquid fuels from seawater and CO2 from the atmosphere.
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 Plus other people have raned cars in the past with water only....no gasoline...and i'm a newbie here!youtube it...you are not a GOD.
No, there are people who have made claims to have done such things.  No one has ever proven that they have done such a thing.  You are establishing a pattern of making false claims.
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Go interview the manager that priints money and ask them how much does it cost to print a one dollar bill VS a 100 dollar bill...i'll bet you one dollar it is in the 10-20 cents difference.
Why would anything to do with a monetary system of policy have the least bearing on the fact that the Robitailles lie shamelessly and cannot deliver on their promises?
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 DO you want me to spoon feed you the info...I can't...but the facts are there. How do you explain the energy the earth gets to sustain itself for millions of years?
Break it down to magnetism, light, air, sound, and gravity....you can throw in “the big bang” there if you want to...but break it down to the source of all ENERGY!
Do you think ranting helps your cause?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 19, 2014, 09:44:12 AM
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The QEG is indeed only one of many claimed free energy devices that do not work.  What you think connects scams like these to nuclear physics or hydroelectric dams escapes me.

How is not the hoover damn some type of QEG?

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Or we can keep things much simpler and and put aside any attempt to divine out intentions.  The Robitailles have demonstrated that they lie freely, don't understand basic physics or electronics, and have nothing that substantiates their grandiose claims.

Well if you know your history, they are just doing something that you are too afraid of doing. Marting luther king, ghandi, tesla. SIMPLE stuff!

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No, the US Navy has stated that they have been working on a process to use masssive electrical energy to produce liquid fuels from seawater and CO2 from the atmosphere.

NOO! The army posted that they have found a way to power an engine with sea water and will do it in the future. But you will still drive your car with gasoline lol. Do some more digging.

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No, there are people who have made claims to have done such things.  No one has ever proven that they have done such a thing.  You are establishing a pattern of making false claims.

Well the guy got killed...mysteriously. Can you imagine the day when water replaces oil? Imagine you make millions of dollars and all of a sudden this guy comes and says that all you need is water...there goes trillions of dollars in the trash. SIMPLE!

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Why would anything to do with a monetary system of policy have the least bearing on the fact that the Robitailles lie shamelessly and cannot deliver on their promises?

Thats your problem....you cannot see everything being connected together.

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Do you think ranting helps your cause?

Is seeking truth like you are too! Tell me how well you understand the source of the energy? Where does the energy come from?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 19, 2014, 01:44:23 PM
How is not the hoover damn some type of QEG?

The Hoover Dam is a hydroelectric power plant. The "Quantum Energy Generator" that is the subject of this thread is a variable reluctance parametric oscillator, and does not involve water at all, is mechanically driven by a big honking ELECTRIC MOTOR that could even run on some of the electricity generated by HOOVER DAM. Hoover Dam is big and has a road across it. The QEG is small, fits in your garage and is potted in plastic. The HOOVER DAM is NOT a QEG.
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Well if you know your history, they are just doing something that you are too afraid of doing. Marting luther king, ghandi, tesla. SIMPLE stuff!

NOO! The army posted that they have found a way to power an engine with sea water and will do it in the future. But you will still drive your car with gasoline lol. Do some more digging.
You cannot provide any reference for this claim. Go ahead, provide some link that supports this contention that "the army" posted such a statement. You cannot. "Do some more digging".... No, YOU MADE THE CLAIM, it is up to you to support it. I can claim that the Moon is made of Green Cheese, NASA issued a press release last month. Did you miss it? DO SOME MORE DIGGING.
See what I mean? You make a claim, YOU must support it if you want to be taken seriously. But I can tell that you don't, really, since your posts are off topic and make these unsupported claims time and time again.
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Well the guy got killed...mysteriously.
What guy? What mystery? Where is your support for this claim?
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Can you imagine the day when water replaces oil? Imagine you make millions of dollars and all of a sudden this guy comes and says that all you need is water...there goes trillions of dollars in the trash. SIMPLE!

Thats your problem....you cannot see everything being connected together.

Your problem is that you are trying to connect unrelated things, like the FTW Quantum Energy Generator fraud that is the topic of this thread, with the Hoover Dam and your unsupported claims about running cars on water.
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Is seeking truth like you are too! Tell me how well you understand the source of the energy? Where does the energy come from?


Are you still talking about hydroelectric powerplants like the Hoover Dam? As has been explained to you, the energy for that electricity comes from the sun. It's pretty clear to me that there are people posting on this thread that know a whole lot more than YOU know about "where the energy comes from".


You still have not been able to provide one single reference or link that demonstrates any of the "free energy" or overunity devices you say are so common. Why not? I know why, and so do many other people reading this thread. YOU CANNOT !
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 19, 2014, 02:36:17 PM
Joe is not serious.  He is playing the Monty Python "Argument Clinic" game.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on September 19, 2014, 04:27:09 PM
“O.U. devices "working for 30 years"????  Where is your evidence for such a silly statement?  Just show us one...just one...that is all we would like to see.  You just claimed that there are "a lot" of them so this should be easy for you to do.  You will not be able to do this because there are NONE.  Not one single device that has been proven to be overunity...period.  So just name one and show the proof and we will all be thrilled.”

It is all over the INTERNET and I don't have time to spoon feed you the information that is 100% common sense out there all over the inter from bits and bits and bits and bits gathered and put them together.

A very well known fact that you can go see for your self and take pictures and maybe buy one and reverse engineer is the “bloom box” which Google and other companies have them.............

Joel, sorry to be a pain, but could you help me out here a tad.
MY version of google seems to be broken.

The only verifiable thing you have mentioned so far that is an OU device, is the bloom box above.

So I searched high and low for it on the "internets".

The only one I could come up with, is one that is claimed to be 50% efficient by its manufacture.
see : http://www.cnet.com/news/parsing-fact-from-fiction-with-the-bloom-energy-box/ (http://www.cnet.com/news/parsing-fact-from-fiction-with-the-bloom-energy-box/)
"Bloom Energy says that its fuel cells convert about 50 percent of the energy in incoming fuel into usable power"

Can you direct me to the "other" one you found that is OU?

Thanks
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on September 19, 2014, 10:53:24 PM
Might be best to get Joel's definition of "Over Unity" first. By OU he could just mean more energy is harnessed and made to
perform work over and above the input directly provided by us. However if energy enters the system from outside it immediately
becomes an open system and energy entering the system doesn't mean anything more than collecting energy by any other
environmental means, all environmental energy harnessed over and above the "input directly provided by us" can be considered
over "1" with "1" being the input energy amount provided by directly by us to the device that has a greater output than what is
provided by us.

No Laws are broken with that type of OU because it is an "OPEN" system with input provided by the environment at no cost per
unit of energy.

Now if by some miracle the QEG was to harness some energy from the Quantum environment around it then some kind of local
environmental changes should be noticed most likely to do with temperature. The energy must come from some where and
change the local conditions in some way.

The way I see it that is the only kind of OU possible. So this thread will not ever show any other kind of OU. Energy cannot be
made.

On a side note the "Ergon Energy Company" runs adds here regularly claiming that they "make energy fresh every day" and it
is a company with many electrical engineers, they make a claim on National TV that they Make energy fresh every day like
bread and yet no one is getting on their case even though they are broadcasting that absolutely ridiculous and reckless
statement on National TV.

Should I try to record the Advertizement and post a link to it ? It's a claim of "making Energy" by a Energy company, making
people think energy can just be made, no need to conserve it, as long as they know how much we need so they can make the
right amount each day is the point they are making. Pathetic, why not just say "power" is what they Make/generate.

No wonder so many think so much funky stuff.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: F_Brown on September 20, 2014, 06:16:09 AM
Well,

What have I missed in the last 70 or so pages of discussion?

In the time I was gone, I've managed to pass with 100% correct scores the technician, general, and extra class amateur radio license tests.  There were a couple of interesting things I ran across while studying for the tests:

1) Reactive Power is defined as wattless power, which is a bit of an oxymoron, although that means that there is zero dissipation of energy.  If there is zero dissipation, zero use can be had from it.

2) The power factor of the voltage and current in a circuit is the cosine of the angle that the voltage and current are out of phase.  If the voltage and current are out of phase by 90 degrees, then the power factor is zero.  That means regardless of however much voltage and current there is in the circuit, there is zero joules useful energy there to be put to work.

I am quite amused to see this topic is still being so actively discussed.

Fred B
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 20, 2014, 07:47:24 AM
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The Hoover Dam is a hydroelectric power plant. The "Quantum Energy Generator" that is the subject of this thread is a variable reluctance parametric oscillator, and does not involve water at all, is mechanically driven by a big honking ELECTRIC MOTOR that could even run on some of the electricity generated by HOOVER DAM. Hoover Dam is big and has a road across it. The QEG is small, fits in your garage and is potted in plastic. The HOOVER DAM is NOT a QEG.

Quantum energy generator?

Quantum = In physics, a quantum (plural: quanta) is the minimum amount of any physical entity involved in an interaction. Behind this, one finds the fundamental notion that a physical property may be "quantized," referred to as "the hypothesis of quantization".[1] This means that the magnitude can take on only certain discrete values.

The minimum amount any physical entity is involved in. Apply that to the hoover dam and it is a QEG....unless I'm missing something? The scale of the size does not matter since we have atoms with electrons rotating around them with out a lithium battery. Why? Because the battery it's its surroundings. Simple.

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You cannot provide any reference for this claim. Go ahead, provide some link that supports this contention that "the army" posted such a statement. You cannot. "Do some more digging".... No, YOU MADE THE CLAIM, it is up to you to support it. I can claim that the Moon is made of Green Cheese, NASA issued a press release last month. Did you miss it? DO SOME MORE DIGGING.
See what I mean? You make a claim, YOU must support it if you want to be taken seriously. But I can tell that you don't, really, since your posts are off topic and make these unsupported claims time and time again.

Well I'm not the type to spoon feed food. If you are not capable of seeing the facts in front of your face, too bad. They are out there 100%. What will I gain if I take the trouble to convince you? At the end of the day you will just say “yes, you makes sense” after wasting my energy to convince you...no thanks. But I do speak about it because it is 100% facts.

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What guy? What mystery? Where is your support for this claim?

Well if your intentions where more open minded, I would spend the ENERGY to dig up the facts, but you don't persuade me to do it...so just take my word for my good intentions or not....I'm pretty sure if I show you the evidence, you will thrown a skeptical flag on the field. Then we go back to me trying to convince you the OBVIOUS FACTS!

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Your problem is that you are trying to connect unrelated things, like the FTW Quantum Energy Generator fraud that is the topic of this thread, with the Hoover Dam and your unsupported claims about running cars on water.

Well everything is connected together....all life is made in the same pot. Your problem is that you someone how don't see how the universe is all a big home made mama soup. The world is a geometrical puzzle. Everything is connected to everything. When it stops being connected, then it dies and gets recycled.


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Are you still talking about hydroelectric powerplants like the Hoover Dam? As has been explained to you, the energy for that electricity comes from the sun. It's pretty clear to me that there are people posting on this thread that know a whole lot more than YOU know about "where the energy comes from".


You still have not been able to provide one single reference or link that demonstrates any of the "free energy" or overunity devices you say are so common. Why not? I know why, and so do many other people reading this thread. YOU CANNOT !

Please tell me you don't want free energy!!! That is the goal of all animals and the ONLY reason there is EVOLUTION due to free energy.....please clamp your nose to not breath FREE air for a 5 minutes to understand the FREE energy. How is not air free? Hmmmm...lets call it “renewable”! Then if becomes a commodity.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 20, 2014, 02:08:49 PM
Quantum energy generator?
Quantum = In physics, a quantum (plural: quanta) is the minimum amount of any physical entity involved in an interaction. Behind this, one finds the fundamental notion that a physical property may be "quantized," referred to as "the hypothesis of quantization".[1] This means that the magnitude can take on only certain discrete values.


 Copy-paste without including a reference citing the source? That's plagiarism.


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The minimum amount any physical entity is involved in. Apply that to the hoover dam and it is a QEG....unless I'm missing something? The scale of the size does not matter since we have atoms with electrons rotating around them with out a lithium battery. Why? Because the battery it's its surroundings. Simple.


Yes, you are missing something, all right. The QUANTUM ENERGY GENERATOR is a specific name for a specific device: the apparatus that HopeGirl and James Robitaille have foisted onto the community and for which they have made false claims, and which they have used to get hundreds of thousands of dollars in "donations" and other support.... by making FALSE CLAIMS about it, its provenance, its performance and its capabilities.  I didn't name THEIR DEVICE... they did. Have you even looked at the documents and "plans" they published in order to drum up enthusiasm and "donations"? How much did YOU donate to them, I wonder?
You keep trying to redefine what this thread is about. Nobody who has been here FROM THE BEGINNING fails to understand what the definitions of the words are. THAT IS NOT THE POINT. The point is that the Fix The World people are calling their device  the "QEG". They could call it a Red Barn Painter.... it would still be the same thing that I described in the post that you aren't really replying to: it is a variable reluctance parametric oscillator driven by a big honking electric motor. SIMPLE... to people who read and understand this thread. Not to you, clearly, since you keep wanting to redefine, without understanding, what is being discussed in this thread.


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Well I'm not the type to spoon feed food. If you are not capable of seeing the facts in front of your face, too bad. They are out there 100%. What will I gain if I take the trouble to convince you? At the end of the day you will just say “yes, you makes sense” after wasting my energy to convince you...no thanks. But I do speak about it because it is 100% facts.


In other words, just as I said: YOU CANNOT SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS, not even with simple links to information. You just spout your claims without support. Keep it up, it is greatly amusing for me to see you claiming something, then failing to produce evidence. The list of your unsupported claims is getting longer with every post you make, and with every statement like that one, you are emphasizing that YOU CANNOT produce any credible support. It's getting to be pretty funny to see you flail about, but it isn't furthering the discussion of the Fix The World Quantum Energy Generator scam.


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Well if your intentions where more open minded, I would spend the ENERGY to dig up the facts, but you don't persuade me to do it...so just take my word for my good intentions or not....I'm pretty sure if I show you the evidence, you will thrown a skeptical flag on the field. Then we go back to me trying to convince you the OBVIOUS FACTS!


Blah blah blah. You cannot support your claims, you have no evidence to show. The moon is made of green cheese.... that's an OBVIOUS FACT.  Why? Because I say so. That is exactly the amount of support YOU GIVE for your claims.  If you had any support, you wouldn't have to "dig it up".


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Well everything is connected together....all life is made in the same pot. Your problem is that you someone how don't see how the universe is all a big home made mama soup. The world is a geometrical puzzle. Everything is connected to everything. When it stops being connected, then it dies and gets recycled.

Blah blah blah. What does this "connectedness" have to do with HopeGirl and James Robitaille's "QEG" and the fraud that they are perpetrating? What does it have to do with the promises they have made and have failed to fulfil? What does it have to do with the dozens of nonfunctional QEG cores, each costing thousands of dollars, that the FTW people have persuaded hopeful fools to purchase all around the world? Nothing at all. You are just blowing smoke and it's off topic smoke to boot.


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Please tell me you don't want free energy!!! That is the goal of all animals and the ONLY reason there is EVOLUTION due to free energy.....please clamp your nose to not breath FREE air for a 5 minutes to understand the FREE energy. How is not air free? Hmmmm...lets call it “renewable”! Then if becomes a commodity.


You are in the wrong thread. Why don't you start your own discussion about the topics that you are pushing? Maybe you'll find some people who will discuss with you on your fantasy terms, where no support is required and claims can be made without evidence and without being questioned. I know why: you'll find yourself all alone there.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: hoptoad on September 20, 2014, 03:25:28 PM
snip....
the apparatus that HopeGirl and James Robitaille have foisted onto the community
snip....

I'm a little late to the party and was wondering if anybody knows, is Hopegirl a woman named Rosemary from a previous life?  :-\ :P
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 20, 2014, 03:51:51 PM
Her legal name is: Naima Feagin.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 20, 2014, 11:15:05 PM
Joel, I am amused.

I would like to pose one question, so that I might understand your point of view.  (I doubt this is fully on-topic,
but it DOES have implications...)

First, the indisputable facts.   

1.   The name of this forum is...  "Overunity.com"  which, in a fully closed system, is theoretically impossible.  Of
course, if there is any opening in the system, and that opening is currently undefined, then OU is possible, until
the opening IS defined.  (Example: Heat pump - Usually COP > 4.0 , if you ignore thermal input from surroundings.)

2.   The properties you were just discussing referenced "Free Energy", which is not the same concept. 
(Example:  Heat pump - If evap coils outside, no cost to you or freely available.)

The ONLY Question at this time:  Could you please define what you consider the difference to be, between
OU and Free Energy, and how they can be related to each other?   This would really improve my understanding
of what you are trying to say as I really can't make heads or tails of what your true point is. 
(Or if you actually have one....)

No proofs...  No referenced facts.....  Just your opinion.

Only then could I ask where you would place the QEG  re:  the other devices you mention.  I.E. Are the claims
made for it supportable?  (and many more...)

Of course, if you're only here for the entertainment factor, feel free to ignore me completely.
Joel has no point of view worth considering. He is quite simply an idiot, a loon, a moron, get the picture. Let's look at his argument that the Hoover DAM is a QEG. He uses the word quantum and draws the conclusion that at some level water is quanta and therefore they are the same thing. He fails to understand that the its not the water that creates the electricity but the potential energy stored within it that that creates the electricity when the water is run through a turbine. No potential energy, no electricity. The water is just an energy transfer medium, it itself does not produce electricity. Energy is also a continuous thing, it is not quantized. Energy is not comprised of atoms.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 21, 2014, 05:18:54 AM
Shean removed the qeg kit sales not for reason stated.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/wanted-offered/546-q-e-g-kits-for-sale-with-the-new-cores

Only because that would have cut into qeg scam profits.  You cannot have two hustlers in the same town, for they might bump heads.
The principles of the qeg is to profit from idiots contributors and the ignorant.

Speaking of profit, I bet anyone here 10 bucks Shean never gave poster a chance to revise the post.  Good old Qommi E G style.

Finally South Africa team has a completed core after 4 months?  Clap and shout, humm and sing.  Bang the gongs!!!

I know you read this Shean.  Why have you not once question and ever brought to the be-do forums attention the every 30 days hide and go seek nature of Fleece The World group?  You said nothing about UK, Pennsylvania so called working device, and its never happened showcase end of July.  What is your take in all this schtick?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 21, 2014, 05:55:13 AM
Is this a sign of the money drying up?  Poster soliciting for money in a subtle way.
https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-quantum-energy-generator-qeg-10kw-out-for-1kw-in.3572/page-4#post-126002

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I have a lot of engineer friends working on the QEG project. they raise money to build these QEG generators that they believe work. I would suggest that the only real way to prove or disprove the possibility of these machines is to build a generator and see if it works.

My free decoding service For The World ;D.  If they are engineers and their numbers are many, then they would not need to raise money.  "I would suggest..." notice the sales pitch.  And by "building" this solicitor incognito means for you to buy parts through the qeg affiliates Torelco and Tesla Energy.  Strange that this is the only way to prove or disprove.  Taiwan, Morocco, UK, Pennsylvania, those places were not enough to disprove?  Why not suggest those actually making the claims do the proving?  That would be to much of a logical and non profiteering suggestion I suppose.

Pathetic.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 21, 2014, 07:14:59 AM
Metabunk.org has a very good thread on the QEG and many of the posters are spot on.  Call it a bit of cross pollination.

Poor old Jamie in the barn.....  Does he really give a darn?....   Meanwhile that gal HopeGirl spins the fleece.... Looking for soul food and a place to eat....

The next build is...  gunna be a really big honking QEG!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 21, 2014, 12:38:47 PM
@TK

Your miniQEG has been cross referenced here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-quantum-energy-generator-qeg-10kw-out-for-1kw-in.3572/page-5 (https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-quantum-energy-generator-qeg-10kw-out-for-1kw-in.3572/page-5)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 21, 2014, 12:59:55 PM
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1.The name of this forum is... "Overunity.com" which, in a fully closed system, is theoretically impossible. Of  course, if there is any opening in the system, and that opening is currently undefined, then OU is possible, until
the opening IS defined. (Example: Heat pump - Usually COP > 4.0 , if you ignore thermal input from surroundings.)

Well I myself don't believe in “over unity” I just believe in “20% input 90% output” or even “30% out 70%)....where the axtra energy is gathered from the earth, air, light, electricity, magnetism...

Don't be stupid my friend....when you electronically zap a magnet with magnetism...that magnetic energy gets “stuck” in the metal....I think I have 15 yr old magnets laying around....now use your brain...it is not “over unity”....but it took maybe less of a second to zap the metal to magnesite it for years/decades....prety simple the reasson is being magnetized is due to the metals surroundings. SIMPLE! Unless you can explain a “man made” magnet that stays magnetized for decades when it took less than a second to zap it in the factory?

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2.The properties you were just discussing referenced "Free Energy", which is not the same concept.
(Example: Heat pump - If evap coils outside, no cost to you or freely available.)

The ONLY Question at this time:  Could you please define what you consider the difference to be, between
OU and Free Energy, and how they can be related to each other?   This would really improve my understanding
of what you are trying to say as I really can't make heads or tails of what your true point is. 
(Or if you actually have one....)

No proofs...  No referenced facts.....  Just your opinion.

Only then could I ask where you would place the QEG  re:  the other devices you mention.  I.E. Are the claims
made for it supportable?  (and many more...)

Of course, if you're only here for the entertainment factor, feel free to ignore me completely. 

Like I said, hold your nose and cover your mouth for 5 minutes and then tell me from where you bought the air to breath? Pretty simple logic all over the place.

Put a plant in the sun put a plant in the shadow....both get air energy both get light energy...common sense that the plant in the sunlight will grow healthier/taller....i'm sure magnetism would play a role too since this world is electric.

So NO I don't believe in over unity...yes, I believe you can put in 20%-30% (or much much less) and get out 80%-70% out.

Like I already mentioned.....how much energy does the hoover dam take in and how much does it put out? I'm pretty sure it put out more that what it takes in....now this basic stupid facts means that you can make your onw mini hoover dam near a river and power up a small town with little money if the government allows it with out collecting criminal taxes.

This whole freaking movement and your argasmic love to electronics is to break free from the parasitic system.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 21, 2014, 01:03:27 PM
Well I myself don't believe in “over unity” (snip)

Don't be stupid my friend....(snip)

Like I said, hold your nose and cover your mouth(snip)

(snip blah blah blah)
This whole freaking movement and your argasmic love to electronics is to break free from the parasitic system.

Go away kid, you bother me. Your posts have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of this thread or of this whole website. Plus, you seem really to like to display your utter ignorance. So go do it somewhere else, where you might find some audience of like - "minded" people.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 21, 2014, 01:14:04 PM
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He fails to understand that the its not the water that creates the electricity but the potential energy stored within it that that creates the electricity when the water is run through a turbine. No potential energy, no electricity. The water is just an energy transfer medium, it itself does not produce electricity. Energy is also a continuous thing, it is not quantized. Energy is not comprised of atoms.
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Well that is very easy to understand and I understood that 30 yrs ago.

If you are such a smart person tell from where does the electricity come from?

From where does the ENERGY come from in the first place? Your only answer can only be “we don't know” so all of this is just all a big domino effect trying to find a way to TAP in to the FREE energy that this world/universe provides.

Of course the water is flowing down due to  the cold air that creates ice at the tip of the mountains and then it melts to slithers it's way down....this shyt you learn in middle school. It is all FREE energy going in circles....also water evaporates and creates clouds and moisture in the air makes ELECTRICITY (like a capacitor) and rain.....that is all a circle going and going for millions of years until the ozone layers goes belly up. ETC ETc

Now after you understanding this, don't you see the weather as a QEG?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 21, 2014, 01:17:47 PM
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Go away kid, you bother me. Your posts have nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of this thread or of this whole website. Plus, you seem really to like to display your utter ignorance. So go do it somewhere else, where you might find some audience of like - "minded" people.

Yeah I will...you stay here debating till you die about not believing...i will evolve where you just stay here posting 50, 0000 posts with nothing really helpful for the whole earth or even your community or even science... 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 21, 2014, 01:24:07 PM
@TK

Your miniQEG has been cross referenced here: https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-quantum-energy-generator-qeg-10kw-out-for-1kw-in.3572/page-5 (https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-quantum-energy-generator-qeg-10kw-out-for-1kw-in.3572/page-5)


I saw that. But... My device is called the "MicroQEG" not "mini QEG" and it doesn't "exactly replicate" the FTW mechanical QEG. My device is _better_ and _does more_ than any mechanically driven QEG has ever done.


I have demonstrated :
- High "Overunity in VARs"
- Resonance and VRSWR, with clean sinus waveforms, not "batman and robin" noise and reflected power waveforms
- Operating a _motor_ from the _output_ of the device
- Operating High Voltage neon banks and spark gaps
- Transmission of power over a distance, wirelessly
And even....
- A "residual" overunity ratio measurement even _after_ the phase relationship between voltage and current is taken into account.


Even further, I have demonstrated with this device what a bunch of LIARS Stuart and Sterling are at PESN: they have accused me of FAKING what I show in the MicroQEG videos. And they have refused my challenge to build and test one for themselves, or have any qualified third party test one, to see that it does indeed do just exactly what I show and describe in the videos.
I find it really hilarious that those fools at PESN will take utter FAKES and promote them, but when they are presented with something UTTERLY REAL, and even have it offered to them on a silver platter, they refuse to believe that what is shown is real, and proceed to lie about it, about me, and about my motivations.


Here, again is the MicroQEG playlist, which is what should be linked whenever anyone is discussing my work on the microQEG:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf


Furthermore.... the FTW Mechanical QEG costs perhaps five or six thousand dollars to purchase and assemble, and requires its own dedicated workspace, is very noisy, dangerous in several ways, creates lots of RF interference, and can _only_ light up a few light bulbs when it is carefully driven to resonance by its big electric motor always connected to the mains. And there is _nothing_ else that can be done with the entire thing.


In stark contrast, the TK MicroQEG is small, fits on a tiny tabletop, costs perhaps 20 or 30 dollars to build, is _automatically_ self-resonant as soon as power is applied, creates large and easily measured "OU in VARS", and when you are done refining your measurements, it will still work as a wireless power transmitter, like the real _TESLA PATENTS_ it is based upon, and can be used in many different kinds of demonstrations.


Are you really reading here, Be-Do Forum people? Watch the playlist then. You lot have recently posted an electrical circuit that will, IF it works, do substantially the same thing as my MicroQEG, but with more, and more expensive, parts. Too bad you lot refuse to do homework and refuse to learn from "skeptics".... just count the thousands and thousands of wasted dollars, that continue to be spent in utter futility on the FTW QEG fraud. In _another_ year, will you still be trying to "tune" your QEGs, or will you finally have seen the light? I will still be around, to remind you folks that I told you so, long ago.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on September 21, 2014, 01:24:49 PM

Quote from Joel321:



"Don't be stupid my friend....when you electronically zap a magnet with magnetism...that magnetic energy gets “stuck” in the metal....I think I have 15 yr old magnets laying around....now use your brain...it is not “over unity”....but it took maybe less of a second to zap the metal to magnesite it for years/decades....prety simple the reasson is being magnetized is due to the metals surroundings. SIMPLE! Unless you can explain a “man made” magnet that stays magnetized for decades when it took less than a second to zap it in the factory"?



I was never able to make this kind of sense to the OU snobbery!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 21, 2014, 01:36:01 PM
Yeah I will...you stay here debating till you die about not believing...i will evolve where you just stay here posting 50, 0000 posts with nothing really helpful for the whole earth or even your community or even science...


You haven't done your homework either, I see.


Where is YOUR experimental work? Where are YOUR helpful instructions on using oscilloscopes and other test equipment? Where are YOUR builds of Joule Thiefs, Bedini Motors, the Ainslie apparatuses, Tesla coils, wireless power systems, high voltage systems, etc etc? Where are all your videos where you help people get their devices working? The videos where you expose fakers and frauds, where you illustrate interesting phenomena, where you show tools and equipment to make things easier for people?


Nowhere, that's where.


Have you ever even wound a toroid to make a simple Joule Thief, to suck power out of "dead" batteries that you are probably just throwing away? Please post a link to your video showing you winding a toroid.


Here's mine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfYPbNl_rc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipfYPbNl_rc)
Do you find this video helpful.... or not? You, of course, are not allowed to use my method, since you think that I've made "50, 0000 posts with nothing really helpful for the whole earth or even your community or even science" (sic).


So take your off topic insults and flailing unsupported claims, and go "evolve" somewhere else. You can't DO.... so you just make off-topic posts and insult your betters without yourself making ANY real contributions to any discussions whatsoever. You are just another blowhard who can't support his claims with facts, checkable outside references or demonstrations of his own. 
I laugh out loud at your flailings.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on September 21, 2014, 01:54:26 PM
TK,

Can you post the circuit drawing for your micro QEG?
(Or a link to where you posted the drawing).

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on September 21, 2014, 01:59:11 PM
TK, I missed that PESWiki or whatever had bad mouthed you till now, that's kinda weird ! I can't seem to find it. I would love to read that.
I know they claim to "out" fakes when they see them but, I can't get a grip on what they would be trying to get out of doing that,
accusing you of faking that is.

Faking what anyway ?  ??? I'm having trouble keeping up even with this one thread, so many pages.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 21, 2014, 01:59:43 PM
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Quote from Joel321:



"Don't be stupid my friend....when you electronically zap a magnet with magnetism...that magnetic energy gets “stuck” in the metal....I think I have 15 yr old magnets laying around....now use your brain...it is not “over unity”....but it took maybe less of a second to zap the metal to magnesite it for years/decades....prety simple the reasson is being magnetized is due to the metals surroundings. SIMPLE! Unless you can explain a “man made” magnet that stays magnetized for decades when it took less than a second to zap it in the factory"?
I was never able to make this kind of sense to the OU snobbery!

Energy was imparted to the magnet and the magnet retained that energy.  Why is that difficult to understand?  We have these things called  b u i l d i n g s where we have lifted materials, imparting them with GPE.  Some are still going strong after thousands of years, still retaining the GPE that we imparted during construction.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 21, 2014, 02:02:38 PM
TK,

The army is going to use water to power their boats. NASA is going to use the HYPER DRIVE to go to mars and other planets. All of this has already been proven in small scales...

The electronics are evolving like viruses too...do you remember back when windows 98 could run on 200Mhz cpu? I do I owned one and remember using it. Now we have 4 CPUs that are very powerful build in a smaller pancake than that 200Mhz cpu.

I'm not a scientists nor do I claim to be...I'm just a person that gathers all of the pieces that are out there and puts them together to try to predict/understand the future and find answers.

I've read stories after stories about people that make such QEG devices and need funding to commercialize....and that's when they go under real quick. The “bloom box” has not gone under due to investors if you watch 60 mins and use your logic to understand. Other people have similar technology like the bloom box...and I don't mean back yard engineers, I mean people that work at nasa....this guy that worked at nasa to work on the mars project created a devise that can efficiently takes little energy from the FREE energy and steps it up. Of course he needed money to commercialize and put it on a factory seembly line....his millions did not make that happen and will probably never will...why? The big boys will not allow it.

We have this other data that solar plus air energy can get rid of all the oil. The math has been done and it shows that it can work....solar/air energy will be more profitable than oil....means, lower gas prices...lower oil prices less Dependant on foreign oil....but billions and billions of dollars oil investors will loose. 

You have to put all of the pieces together to be a detective and see the truth. When one does this, it's better for everyone instead of just insulting one another over simple stuff.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 21, 2014, 02:30:33 PM
Joe:

You called the Bloom Box a free energy device before and then it was clearly explained to you that it is a device that consumes fuel.  You just made reference to it again.  Why?  It's not relevant and it is not free energy.  You have repeatedly been told that renewable energy has nothing to do with the QEG yet you are still talking about renewable energy.

You are the one totally lacking in imagination and you fail to demonstrate any critical thinking skills.  You make reference to a magnet and make an implication that it is associated with free energy.  That's nothing more than you failing to think.

We understand renewable energy and how it works and we understand perfectly that this has absolutely nothing to do with the QEG.  Speaking specifically about the QEG, the majority around here understand perfectly well that it is just a useless hunk of metal and wire and how it was criminal for the Fleece the World gang to solicit funds for it.

Your little shtick about how everything is so groovy and how there is free energy all around us and you just have to look around and have an open mind is the same kind of thing coming from Fleece the World.  In both cases it's crap with the difference that Fleece the World got more than one hundred thousand dollars for their silly little song and dance.

You want to have people let their brains degenerate to useless mush.  Just go read the Be-Do forum and read between the lines and see how many brains have been reduced to useless mush.  Most of what you are posting "makes sense" only if your brain has been reduced to useless mush.

You have nothing to offer Joe, just a silly little song and dance about the Hoover dam and free energy coming at us from all directions.  You may as well call yourself Hopeboy.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on September 21, 2014, 02:45:50 PM
Message from Ergon Energy....We make energy fresh every day !

I've never actually lifted my head or gone to the TV to eyeball the add, but now that I have i see a guy holding lit bulbs in his
hand that could only be lit "Tesla" style hahahha, and he's packing lit bulbs in a carton for sale/delivery, aaahhahhaahahhaaa
They look like Halogen lamps, with led's and batteries in them I'm guessing, or video fakery. OMG the scammers !!

Now why wouldn't so many people get to thinking energy can be made and sold when the energy company makes the claim.

Looks like open slather on the claims to me. Somebody stop them ! hehehehheee

Here's the advertizement.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9iDrhGj6bg

So to sum up they claim to make energy like milk and bread and show light bulbs self lighting, with no mention of hoax and in all
seriousness. It's hilarious.  ;D

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on September 21, 2014, 03:57:06 PM
@MarkE,


Quote from MarkE:

"Energy was imparted to the magnet and the magnet retained that energy.  Why is that difficult to understand?  We have these things called  b u i l d i n g s where we have lifted materials, imparting them with GPE.  Some are still going strong after thousands of years, still retaining the GPE that we imparted during construction".

                  The "Impulse Energy", more accurately, transmutes the ferrite into a higher isotope!

This transmutation involves a quantum leap of electrons into higher atomic orbits. The magnet is a different element then the ferrite. This transmutation is accompanied by an adiabatic transition and a release of electrical power.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 21, 2014, 04:04:11 PM
Farmhand:

Hey, maybe I should start a company that destroys energy?  I mean, if they are going to make money by claiming to violate the law of conservation of energy, maybe I should make money by the same means?

Man, those light bulbs are pretty dim, you would need a whole box of them to be able to read.  I have JT circuits much brighter than that.  (So do a lot of others on here)

Thanks for linking the ad.  I had heard about it but never saw it before now.  It would have been much better and more accurate if they said..

"We deliver fresh energy every day." 

What the hell were they thinking?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on September 21, 2014, 06:10:23 PM
Well Bill, if you will excuse the Puns, I think they have a vested interest in keeping the general public in the Dark about energy/power
the more confused more people are then the less people will be capable of complaint about things. There is a valid point to the add
but it was lost on me at first. They need to know how much energy will be required and when, so that they can produce the
electric power required at the right time and in the correct amount to be able to utilize the energy they have stored in piles of coal
more efficiently.

Which brings up to point of the QEG and reactive power. If a generator has a load of 1000 Watts and the load has a power factor of 1.0,
then the generator needs to produce the least amount of VA to power the load, but a 1000 Watt load with a power factor of
anything less than 1.0 then the generator must produce more VA than would be necessary if the load had a power factor of 1.0.
So efficiency must be less.

The same will apply if the power station produces the power from stored energy or we do it ourselves, if we look at the big picture.
The entire picture, is even more energy expensive. The coal must be mined, the hydro plant must be build and maintained ect. ect.
Energy use at the home has been subsidized by the environment for a long time, and not the carbon emissions, having worked
for a multinational underground coal mining equipment servicing company, I can say the toxic substances used are many and go
all the way to the hydraulic fluids in the rams that hold up the mine ceilings being not properly processed during servicing, things
like storms overflow hydraulic fluid and oil sumps and the runoff goes into the local creeks. Carbon is like fresh air compared to
the toxicity of some of the materials/chemicals used to mine the coal.
Power from the wall should be much more expensive than it actually is. Our children's children are subsidizing it with their health
and loss of a clean environment.

Still coal fired power stations are heaps better than nuclear, No nukes here, we don't want them, the topic was raised due to
global warming and the propaganda for nuclear power being clean, then Fukashima happened, One proposal in Australia was for
a location on the coast near here. Great plan hey.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 21, 2014, 06:16:30 PM
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He fails to understand that the its not the water that creates the electricity but the potential energy stored within it that that creates the electricity when the water is run through a turbine. No potential energy, no electricity. The water is just an energy transfer medium, it itself does not produce electricity. Energy is also a continuous thing, it is not quantized. Energy is not comprised of atoms.
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Well that is very easy to understand and I understood that 30 yrs ago.

If you are such a smart person tell from where does the electricity come from?

From where does the ENERGY come from in the first place? Your only answer can only be “we don't know” so all of this is just all a big domino effect trying to find a way to TAP in to the FREE energy that this world/universe provides.

Of course the water is flowing down due to  the cold air that creates ice at the tip of the mountains and then it melts to slithers it's way down....this shyt you learn in middle school. It is all FREE energy going in circles....also water evaporates and creates clouds and moisture in the air makes ELECTRICITY (like a capacitor) and rain.....that is all a circle going and going for millions of years until the ozone layers goes belly up. ETC ETc

Now after you understanding this, don't you see the weather as a QEG?
Joel, let me start by apologizing for my outrageous slander of your mental acuity in my previous post. It was unwarranted. I have gone back a read carefully your various postings and arguments on the subject of the QEG and renewables. Having thought about this carefully over the past 24 hrs, I must say I find your ideas compelling. Your reasoning on the matter is very subtle, and quite frankly a stroke of genius on your part.  I fear the cretins is this forum will not likely appreciate such a profound and deep level of thinking.  May I suggest that your share your thougths more broadly, with folks that have demonstrably higher levels of IQ. As as newbie to this forum I do not know how familiar you are with other discussions taking place in other places. I have put together a short list that you may like to look at and consider joining if you have not done so already.

www.be-do.com (http://www.be-do.com/) The home of the QEG, I'm a member there and find the level of discourse very stimulating. My postings are under the name Higgsfield. Very apropos do you not think of this is likely the source of energy power your various QEG examples at a fundamental level. 

http://revolution-green.com/ (http://revolution-green.com/) Things have been quite there for a while, but I'm sure your joining would get things going again. My I suggest talking with Simon Derricutt, he is about the only person who I think would appreciate and admire your thoughts of this subject. Also a member under the name Higgsfield.

https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-quantum-energy-generator-qeg-10kw-out-for-1kw-in.3572/ (https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-quantum-energy-generator-qeg-10kw-out-for-1kw-in.3572/)  This was referenced earlier. I'm not a member there so can not say how you will be received.

There are others, and perhaps some of the more charitable members of this group might like to make there own suggestions. I fear further discussion here would be akin to banging your head against a brick wall. I'd like to talk further about your ideas, but fear ridicule here, so lets pick this up in one of the two above forums.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 21, 2014, 06:39:36 PM
@joel321

Care to explain why or where you attained the notion that Bloom Box may be a free energy device?
Would it be from here? http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/08/27/qeg-project-updates-and-transformations/
Link of which just happens to mention 60 minutes... damn, ain't that a coincidence.

I can give you the reason for those going under real quick after seeking funding.  Its called skipping town, a.k.a. taking the money and running.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 21, 2014, 07:25:15 PM
ACG:

Good find.  The Bloom Box is not now, nor has it ever been, a free energy device.  DopeGirl even says as much even though she is an idiot.  Joel somehow seems to think that it is and cited that as an example of just one of the "many" free energy devices out there right now.  He also cites (many times now) the Hoover dam as a free energy device and has also called it a QEG many times also.  Any of us who have even just a little education in the science areas knows that this is not correct.  We learned about where dams get their power generating energy back in grade school.  Not one of my science teachers or professors ever claimed that a dam was a free energy device, especially one that Joel claims is operating on the quantum level.

So, unless and until old Joel here can site some "real" free energy devices, hopefully not any of those that have been busted as scams by the smart guys here on O.U.com, I do not think he has anything to add to this topic which, after all, is supposed to be about the QEG.

I do think that AGC just proved that Joel is not only reading and following DopeGirl, he believes what she says so...at least now we all know where he is coming from.  I wonder how much money Joel has been scammed out of...opps...I mean, donated to DopeGirl's vacation fundraising efforts?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 21, 2014, 07:37:21 PM
TK, I missed that PESWiki or whatever had bad mouthed you till now, that's kinda weird ! I can't seem to find it. I would love to read that.
I know they claim to "out" fakes when they see them but, I can't get a grip on what they would be trying to get out of doing that,
accusing you of faking that is.

Faking what anyway ?  ??? I'm having trouble keeping up even with this one thread, so many pages.

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Yes, Sterling does not appear to like TK, or anyone that easily points out that the "Tech of the day" that they are promoting is a sham.  Do NOT forget, Sterling backed the Mylow scam and banned EVERYONE from his site that knew it was a sham and said so. (That is when I was banned from there as well)  He even came on this site and called the "non-believers" all kinds of names even though we were publishing photos showing the fishing line that made the motor work.  I guess we were all too closed minded, especially TK who was one of the front guys here showing how it was a scam, and he did it with science, replications and facts.  Now TK does not believe in the QEG (another obvious fraud) so I suppose Sterling still does not like him.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 21, 2014, 09:35:14 PM
TK,

The army is going to use water to power their boats. NASA is going to use the HYPER DRIVE to go to mars and other planets. All of this has already been proven in small scales...(snip irrelevant BS)


ONCE AGAIN you make claims without support. You have been challenged to provide a reference for these specific claims several times and you have repeatedly demonstrated that YOU CANNOT.


The moon is made of Green Cheese, joel321.  And I have more evidence for that, than you have for your silly claim that "The army is going to use water to power their boats."



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 21, 2014, 09:39:39 PM
TK, I missed that PESWiki or whatever had bad mouthed you till now, that's kinda weird ! I can't seem to find it. I would love to read that.
I know they claim to "out" fakes when they see them but, I can't get a grip on what they would be trying to get out of doing that,
accusing you of faking that is.

Faking what anyway ?  ??? I'm having trouble keeping up even with this one thread, so many pages.

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They do have a way there of editing, censoring and removing posts, and the maze of pages is a deliberate strategy to confuse and obfuscate their errors and ridiculous claims, while increasing stats for the advertisers.
 
That's why I take screenshots. Here are a few:

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 21, 2014, 10:28:47 PM
TK,

Can you post the circuit drawing for your micro QEG?
(Or a link to where you posted the drawing).

GL.
The circuit, and simulations of it, have been posted several times in this thread and in other threads. It is a basic Royer/Mazilli oscillator with some specific component values. Here is one version of the schematic that I have posted.
The mosfets I am currently using are IRF3205. The Z44N will work, and I have also tested it with plain old IRF830 and IRFP260N. Less efficient with those but it does work. The best ones to use are naturally the ones with lowest Rdss and highest current capacity. 100 V is enough if the supply voltage is kept below 14V.
The diodes should be fast, Schottky or UF rectifiers. I'm getting away with the 1n4148 type here because this circuit isn't stressed very much but for higher power versions you might want to use other diodes here. I actually went to UF4007 diodes for the driver of TinselKoil VII, which cured my mosfet heating problems in that circuit.
The Gate resistors must be 3 Watt but the value can vary somewhat from 100R. The 10k Gate pulldowns can be 1/4 W. The chokes should be capable of handling 6-8 amps continuously; I have used 60 to 120 microHenry values; the present MicroQEG uses Radio Shack stock 100 uH choke ferrite cores that I stripped and rewound with heavier wire to the same inductance. If the choke overheats and shorts, this is what blows mosfets.
The "Output loop" of the MicroQEG is a 6-turn Tesla bifilar-wound coil about 3 1/4 inches in diameter of heavy solid copper wire. It will also work with a straight solenoidal coil of the same dimensions. Do not operate the circuit without a coil of some kind connected, otherwise you will blow your mosfets. Also don't ramp up supply power slowly, just switch it on to 12 volts, because the circuit may not start oscillating with the slow ramp up, and this too will blow a mosfet.
Be careful, because the circuit actually will still work, partially, if one mosfet is blown. If everything is set up properly (symmetry, heavy high current paths) the mosfets do not run hot and don't even need heatsinks. The most important part of the circuit is the capacitor, it should be built up out of smaller values, equal, in parallel and should have a big voltage margin; I am using 10 nF, 500 volt precision poly film caps, six in parallel to make about 60 nF (64.5 nf Measured).
I have also included a "template" for the surface mount circuitboard I used. (The loopstick at top left in the last photo isn't used in the "ordinary" MicroQEG.) The wiring for the HV Receptor and other items used in the demonstrations should be clear from the videos and your general knowledge of such circuits.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 21, 2014, 11:05:56 PM
Note: For the above version I purposely did not use etching for the circuit board. I simply removed the straight lines of copper with a hacksaw blade. For a nicer circuit board layout, one of my wireless power transmitters has this:
(Chokes, and output loop connectors, not yet installed.)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on September 21, 2014, 11:44:58 PM
TK,

Thank you for posting drawing and information on your micro QEG.

You newest board look great.

Regrads,
GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on September 22, 2014, 12:00:30 AM
TK,
Why not put some kits together. I would buy one!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 22, 2014, 12:20:32 AM
TK,
Why not put some kits together. I would buy one!

Me too.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 22, 2014, 12:38:47 AM
I'm going to open up a chain of stores called "Radio Shack Classic+."  You can buy all your parts for your projects and look at the CB radios and admire the Garrard Zero 100 turntables.  Look at how beautiful they are.  Yes, there will even be a tube tester.   ;D

Our keen employees can even advise you on your projects.  You will be in heaven.

I have hired a guaranteed super Internet buzz meister/demand creation _deep_ geek and consciousness and spirituality consultant guy.  Wait till you see when we turn on the spigots for the crowd funding!  It will be like manna from heaven!  Bloated with money.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 22, 2014, 12:49:40 AM
I'm going to open up a chain of stores called "Radio Shack Classic+."  You can buy all your parts for your projects and look at the CB radios and admire the Garrard Zero 100 turntables.  Look at how beautiful they are.  Yes, there will even be a tube tester.   ;D

Our keen employees can even advise you on your projects.  You will be in heaven.

I have hired a guaranteed super Internet buzz meister/demand creation _deep_ geek and consciousness and spirituality consultant guy.  Wait till you see when we turn on the spigots for the crowd funding!  It will be like manna from heaven!  Bloated with money.

MH:

That is a beautiful piece of workmanship.  I was always partial to the linear tracking style as it placed less stress on the vinyl records and the needle.  I don't recall any of those looking like this however.  At least none that I could afford.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 22, 2014, 02:28:08 AM
TK,
Why not put some kits together. I would buy one!


It's seriously not worth it!


Look. The mosfets can be had for less than a dollar each. The precision capacitors I used, ditto, but if you tear apart an old monitor or CRT tv, you can find enough good poly caps for free. The diodes are about a dime each, the pulldowns a few cents each and the big 3watt resistors maybe 50 cents each. Throw in a few dollars for nice luxury things like sockets for the mosfets and other connectors and bits of wire and you _might_ manage to spend as much as 20 dollars on parts to make one. Use a bit of broken ferrite or an inductor and some other parts from the old TV and you've built your "HV Receptor" for free as well. You don't need a circuit board at all; I've made several using pad-per-hole and other types of prototype boards and my flyback drivers don't even use boards, just tight wiring layout.
By the time I sourced and assembled a kit and mailed it out, I'd have an hour's time invested in it at least and I'd have to charge you a lot more than it's worth.


But thanks for the thought, anyway!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on September 22, 2014, 03:12:09 AM
TK, Thanks for posting that bizarre exchange, clearly some are taking the risk of aiding and abetting criminals in the commission of
crimes, to draw a long bow that is. But still in my opinion all who promote a scam are complicit in some way, just that there is a point
where it becomes criminal.

As for slander, he's guilty !

Please TK start a go-fund-me to raise money to take him to court for slander, promise in the go-fund-me if you win you will donate
the funds raised to charity. I would love to read the transcript of the trial because it would contain concise explanations of reactive
power and the QEG scam would be cited and exposed in court.

No one can dispute the facts about the reality of a resonant tank, it's fully understood already.

If I get well enough soon I will replicate your Micro QEG and if even i can replicate close enough your results then there is no
excuse for many others to do so if they so desire to witness the truth of the matter.

Aside from that I think for the general experimenter in this line of "Hobby" it is a must top build and operate a basic tuned tank circuit
as well as a concatenated arrangement of linked tuned circuits, so that they can get a general understanding of L/C tuning to a certain frequency and the effects of powering secondary circuits from that as a means to an end.

Without the person seeing the kind of VAR that can be produced in a small simple low powered circuit even like mine, on your own
bench then those people are just spectating and speculating.

You help a lot of people TK and a lot of people very much appreciate what you have shown. But I'm sure you already realize that.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on September 22, 2014, 03:16:44 AM
TK,
I do understand what you are saying. But for others to replicate and test, it is always those little variables in design and components that lead to different results for experimenters. This would be a way to insure atleast as much as possible that the results could be replicated by others, and debunk those who claim that your observations are fabricated. Anyone using a kit and following along with your videos would be able to do the same thing.     
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 22, 2014, 07:20:08 AM
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You called the Bloom Box a free energy device before and then it was clearly explained to you that it is a device <b>that consumes fuel.</b> just made reference to it again.  Why?  It's not relevant and it is not free energy.  You have repeatedly been told that renewable energy has nothing to do with the QEG yet you are still talking about renewable energy.

Please understand the definition of FREE first. FREE actually needs energy. The letter/word free requires zeros and ones in this forum to be created.

Free is not “the big band” which I'm pretty sure “the big bang” requires energy to create itself.

By free is gathering energy with out paying a prime price for it....

In retail we have items that cost thousandths of dollars and hundreds of dollars. In both it is the same technology, the difference is in BEAUTY.

Take for example a high quality tube amplifier. You will pay $5000 USA dollars for an entry level and upwards of $10,000 for a top of the line one. It is the same tenology in both...the difference is that the higher quality is catered to the rich people while the less expensive is catered to the middle class and the poor cannot uy none of their items unless they get their hands on a used one.

To put it simply FREE energy is  like our SUN will continue to burn for millions of years...the sun is a QEG. Now then we have the earth a smaller QEG...then we have magnetism yet another QEG.

FREE ENERGY from “the big bang” being distributed to power the sun → power earth → power the atmosphere. Etc.

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You are the one totally lacking in imagination and you fail to demonstrate any critical thinking skills.  You make reference to a magnet and make an implication that it is associated with free energy.  That's nothing more than you failing to think.

Well we know that everything is magnetic....it's all about scales...from very little to very strong. LIKE A CAPACITOR with micro farads to mega farads.

Your skin cells have magnetism in the micro levels. Glass has magnetism in the micro levels...gelod, silver too. IRON can gather higher magnetic FREE energy than other quantum atoms. I think this is pretty simple to understand.

When a megnet manufacturer understands that glass cannot be magnetized why in the work make magnets out of glass? Lol They just magnetize the metals that can be charged with magnetism. So they make this metal from experience cooking in the kitchen....ok...now they have a “ecipe” to hold magnetism for years/decades....so what do they do? They use a less than a second HIGH current to zap the metal. After this zapping, the magnetic field from the high voltage gets “created” in the non magnetic metal. This energy stays in the magnet for years/decades. The magnet does not have MAGMA (lava when outside a volcano) in the middle. Which the earth magnetic field supposedly is magnetized due to the molten magma in the core. Well the earth could have been just zapped with a VERY HIGH voltage from the outer space and got magnetized due to the earths metalic propeties only and not due to the magma!

At any rate. Stop saying renewable cuz everything is renewable....even your poop by a dung battle. Everything is renewable.....is there energy that is not RENEWABLE?

Rust likes metals = renewable. Animals die = renewable. Light is food and cannot reach the dark spaces....ohhh my where did the light went? It gets eaten up by i'm imagining other micro atoms that shyt to0 = renewable. EVERYTHING IN THE UNIVERSE IS RENEWABLE! SO, what are you so inclined to say that renewable energy is different from something else?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 22, 2014, 08:05:05 AM
ACG

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Care to explain why or where you attained the notion that Bloom Box may be a free energy device?

Well first tell me what is not free?

And then tell me why it is not free?

Then put FREE on a scale and graph it. From the less FREE to the most FREE. IOW, look at the work FREE as not static....but look at it which FREE is more FREE!

In my head it is all pretty simple...to try to make you understands it takes ENERGY...not free (monetary) since my fingers are typing and i'm paying for Internet service...

After we understand the word FREE, then we can look at the rest. YARA YARA YARA.

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I can give you the reason for those going under real quick after seeking funding.  Its called skipping town, a.k.a. taking the money and running.

The media right now has a hold on your brain. One commercial you probably watch 60 times a day if you watch TV. This they do based on science....to desensitize you and make you a zombie. Do you understand this right if you are intelligent? OK you do...so lets move forward.

In order to “break free” from the brain washing you need to try hard...but you will trust me. Etc etc etc.

SO in order for me to take you seriously, you need to tell me how you broke FREE from the media brain washing first. Which I don't know but you can (and I can) prove it real easy with a few words of logic.

Then after you break free then we can have some beers together on week ends and share some ideas. YARAYARAYARA.

Point being....you kind of feel proud that what I said relates to what QEG girl has said....hmmmm....you somehow feel like she is taking advantage of the world...hmmm....if you are for justice and not just a jersey shore (TV show) watcher....you must care that the government is printing money with out repercussions....that is going in to politics....which has to deal with socialism and what not. For another subforum.

Now based on your blind sight, you cannot see the difference between movements that help and that don't help.

OK, TELL ME WHICH MOVEMENT I SHOULD FOLLOW based on your logic ACG?

How can you prove with facts that they run away with their pockets full of money? The only way to do that is if you understand that QEGs don't work 100% or know that some of them do?

Lets hear your answer?

Explain how the bloom box is going away? That 60 min video was from 5 years ago....you realize that right? And it is only taking energy from the air like they explained...the dude explained it is just sand with some other ingredients that one can probably recreate with..I would say 1000 dollars....but they are catering to the rich...fuck the poor. Can you imagine if the "bloom box" inventor online name being  greedboy...lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on September 22, 2014, 12:28:30 PM
Joel, I watched the video on the Bloom Box and the inventor clearly states several times that the units consume fuel as in fuel gas
in one specific case or some other fuel, as well as inputting fuel air also needs to be supplied. But without the fuel there is no output.

Considering the 800 million dollars invested already and the fact that the tax payers have covered half the cost for google and so
forth to install the units, and also considering that the units require a continuous fuel supply, which must be paid for.

So before any free energy is produced they need to pay back the tax payers and the investors the hundreds of millions of dollars first.

Then after they repay all the costs involved in the development any energy produced without cost will be free to whoever uses it.

If it remains tax payer funded it's the masses paying for googles power plants and lining the pockets of the inventor.

He should be able to show a zero power bill or an amount of exported power from the unit that powers his home for free with no
input of fuel gas, but he cannot because the system requires a supply of fuel which cost money to buy, or costs time and effort to
produce at the very least try to make fuel gas for free without spending any money, time or effort.

To me it looks like a very high priced money spinner designed to make people think it's a saving tech while fleecing the taxpayer
purse.

Besides there is zero proof of any free energy from it if there is hard proof please show it or link to it. And I don;t just mean drivel from a mans mouth, I mean test results confirmed by a neutral party. Have fun.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 22, 2014, 01:06:43 PM
@MarkE,


Quote
Quote from MarkE:

"Energy was imparted to the magnet and the magnet retained that energy.  Why is that difficult to understand?  We have these things called  b u i l d i n g s where we have lifted materials, imparting them with GPE.  Some are still going strong after thousands of years, still retaining the GPE that we imparted during construction".

                  The "Impulse Energy", more accurately, transmutes the ferrite into a higher isotope!

This transmutation involves a quantum leap of electrons into higher atomic orbits. The magnet is a different element then the ferrite. This transmutation is accompanied by an adiabatic transition and a release of electrical power.
Synchro1

1. Transmutation means changing one atomic element into another.  Magnetizing a permanent magnet does not do that.
2. Ferrite is not an element.
3. Magnetization does not release electrical energy.
4. Magnetization is not adiabatic.

It would help if you would use terms correctly.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on September 22, 2014, 02:12:56 PM
@MarkE,

You're the one that needs a dictionary!

Firstly: "Ferrite may refer to: Ferrite (iron)".


"Iron is a chemical element (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element) with the symbol Fe (from Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_language): ferrum and atomic number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_number) 26. It is a metal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal) in the first transition series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_transition_series)".


Secondly: Transition series refers to the isotopes, magnets in line.


Thirdly: "The magnetocaloric effect (MCE, from magnet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet) and calorie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie)) is a magneto-thermodynamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic) phenomenon in which a temperature change of a suitable material is caused by exposing the material to a changing magnetic field".


Fourthly:
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on September 22, 2014, 03:10:30 PM

@MarkE,


Did you state this?

4. Magnetization is not adiabatic.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 22, 2014, 03:13:53 PM
@MarkE,

You're the one that needs a dictionary!

Firstly: "Ferrite may refer to: Ferrite (iron)".


"Iron is a chemical element (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_element) with the symbol Fe (from Latin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_language): ferrum and atomic number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_number) 26. It is a metal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metal) in the first transition series (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_transition_series)".


Secondly: Transition series refers to the isotopes, magnets in line.


Thirdly: "The magnetocaloric effect (MCE, from magnet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet) and calorie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie)) is a magneto-thermodynamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic) phenomenon in which a temperature change of a suitable material is caused by exposing the material to a changing magnetic field".


Fourthly:
Synchro1 you really seem to take great delight in being horribly wrong.

No, iron is not ferrite.  Iron is a component in some ferrites.  Ferrites are ceramics of the general form: MxFe2O4, where Mx is a transition metal.  Iron can be one of those transition metals.  Confusion on that point may be why Wikipedia says what it does.  You can check with the people who make the stuff: such as TDK and Ferroxcube.

Or try Encyclopedia Brittanica:
Quote
ferrite, ferrite [Credit: Omegatron]a ceramic-like material with magnetic properties that are useful in many types of electronic devices. Ferrites are hard, brittle, iron-containing, and generally gray or black and are polycrystalline—i.e., made up of a large number of small crystals. They are composed of iron oxide and one or more other metals in chemical combination.

A ferrite is formed by the reaction of ferric oxide (iron oxide or rust) with any of a number of other metals, including magnesium, aluminum, barium, manganese, copper, nickel, cobalt, or even iron itself.

A ferrite is usually described by the formula M(FexOy), where M represents any metal that forms divalent bonds, such as any of the elements mentioned earlier. Nickel ferrite, for instance, is NiFe2O4, and manganese ferrite is MnFe2O4; both are spinel minerals. The garnet mineral known as YIG, containing the rare-earth element yttrium, has the formula Y3Fe5

No transition series do not refer to:  "magnets in line".  The transition series are a number of atomic elements.

No ferrite does not transmutate.

Magnetocaloric effects are not adiabatic.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on September 22, 2014, 04:09:44 PM

@MarkE,


Quote from MarkE:


"Magnetocaloric effects are not adiabatic".

Clean your glasses off and see if you can read the last two words in this paragraph:

"The magnetocaloric effect (MCE, from magnet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet) and calorie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie)) is a magneto-thermodynamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic) phenomenon in which a temperature change of a suitable material is caused by exposing the material to a changing magnetic field. This is also known by low temperature physicists as adiabatic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_process) demagnetization".


Adiabatic means there's a temperature change without heat transfer. Look MarkE, I want you to stop confusing people while acting as a know it all.
You're really really STUPID!


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 22, 2014, 04:28:00 PM
@MarkE,


Quote from MarkE:


"Magnetocaloric effects are not adiabatic".

Clean your glasses off and see if you can read the last two words in this paragraph:

"The magnetocaloric effect (MCE, from magnet (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet) and calorie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie)) is a magneto-thermodynamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermodynamic) phenomenon in which a temperature change of a suitable material is caused by exposing the material to a changing magnetic field. This is also known by low temperature physicists as adiabatic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adiabatic_process) demagnetization".


Adiabatic means there's a temperature change without heat transfer. Look MarkE, I want you to stop confusing people while acting as a know it all.
You're really really STUPID!
I see, so you're going for full-on offensive.  When heat is exchanged with the environment, the process is no longer adiabatic.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sparks on September 22, 2014, 04:48:42 PM
 @TK


  Know it's off topic so please excuse me.  Do you think you could improve on the distance of your wireless transfer of energy by using one wire between the qeg tank and the receiver tank?.  It looks like you are magnetically coupling the two whereas if you couple them capacitavely  (is that a word?) to ground distance would become less of a factor.  LC--------ll-----------------------------------------------------------------------------ll---LC
  This may not be that far off topic.  If I was going to rip someone off on a free energy device I would put some transmitter somewhere attached to ground and ground my receiver and run loads for the bedazzled using one wire transmission of energy using the Earth as the wire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcvSXQHvFLg
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on September 22, 2014, 06:18:39 PM
I see, so you're going for full-on offensive.  When heat is exchanged with the environment, the process is no longer adiabatic.


So what!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: synchro1 on September 22, 2014, 06:44:51 PM
The point once again is that Tinselkoala can never supplant the QEG ferrite core with a solid state circuit and get it to work the same way.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on September 22, 2014, 07:05:04 PM



   Yes synchro, one would have to assume that the solid state must be far more efficient!
            John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 23, 2014, 12:24:33 AM
Joe:

That was a totally nonsensical "mush brain" reply.  Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about and you ran back into your refuge and started talking about renewable energy, again.  You simply cannot broach the subject about what the QEG really is (or isn't) about.

You will never see a working QEG, ever.  In addition, the people that orchestrated this nonsense are morally corrupt.  That is a reality that you cannot escape.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: raburgeson on September 23, 2014, 12:45:42 AM
30 years ago in space, actually read Ton Bearden about silicone devices displaying overunity and the uses in space. I'm not going to hunt for it, it's old news. We hashed this all out in the original forum when it was at Yahoo.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 23, 2014, 04:21:58 AM
Word to the wise, do not even bother trying to educate Stuart C. at peswiki.com.  He is beyond help.  You would have a better chance reaching joel321
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 23, 2014, 04:24:34 AM
ACG

Well first tell me what is not free?

And then tell me why it is not free?

Then put FREE on a scale and graph it. From the less FREE to the most FREE. IOW, look at the work FREE as not static....but look at it which FREE is more FREE!

In my head it is all pretty simple...to try to make you understands it takes ENERGY...not free (monetary) since my fingers are typing and i'm paying for Internet service...

After we understand the word FREE, then we can look at the rest. YARA YARA YARA.

The media right now has a hold on your brain. One commercial you probably watch 60 times a day if you watch TV. This they do based on science....to desensitize you and make you a zombie. Do you understand this right if you are intelligent? OK you do...so lets move forward.

In order to “break free” from the brain washing you need to try hard...but you will trust me. Etc etc etc.

SO in order for me to take you seriously, you need to tell me how you broke FREE from the media brain washing first. Which I don't know but you can (and I can) prove it real easy with a few words of logic.

Then after you break free then we can have some beers together on week ends and share some ideas. YARAYARAYARA.

Point being....you kind of feel proud that what I said relates to what QEG girl has said....hmmmm....you somehow feel like she is taking advantage of the world...hmmm....if you are for justice and not just a jersey shore (TV show) watcher....you must care that the government is printing money with out repercussions....that is going in to politics....which has to deal with socialism and what not. For another subforum.

Now based on your blind sight, you cannot see the difference between movements that help and that don't help.

OK, TELL ME WHICH MOVEMENT I SHOULD FOLLOW based on your logic ACG?

How can you prove with facts that they run away with their pockets full of money? The only way to do that is if you understand that QEGs don't work 100% or know that some of them do?

Lets hear your answer?

Explain how the bloom box is going away? That 60 min video was from 5 years ago....you realize that right? And it is only taking energy from the air like they explained...the dude explained it is just sand with some other ingredients that one can probably recreate with..I would say 1000 dollars....but they are catering to the rich...fuck the poor. Can you imagine if the "bloom box" inventor online name being  greedboy...lol

You lost me at first reply.  Hope you did not spend to much time typing the rest.  Would be a shame all that typing and me not reading it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 23, 2014, 05:53:59 AM
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Joel, I watched the video on the Bloom Box and the inventor clearly states several times that the units consume fuel as in fuel gas in one specific case or some other fuel, as well as inputting fuel air also needs to be supplied. But without the fuel there is no output.

The you watched when he stated that one cube in his hand can power up a house WHAT!!!!??? and then he managed to get and middle man to find investors for him and google bought one from these crazy claims?

Needing fuel is not really the amazing part. The part that it takes fuel in and then UP_SCALES it is what gets your attention. Then the fact that big honchos bought their units!!!

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.... and also considering that the units require a continuous fuel supply, which must be paid for.

I believe he mentioned the units gather the energy from the air? Oh by the way, did you hear the part where she mentioned that they have been secretive about their technology for 10 years and that way 5 yrs ago...so this bloom box is still going on till today after fifteen years.

At any rate....you don't know what fuel it needs until you actually own one and understand the unit...right now your brain is only thinking oil gas prices or electricity gas prices....your mind is not able to see past that in my opinion...not trying to insult at all it is that I imagine your definition of fuel is OIL, GAS, ELECTRIC METER.....those are the top FUEL wasters.

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So before any free energy is produced they need to pay back the tax payers and the investors the hundreds of millions of dollars first.

First you need to understand the technology before you go in to the politics of things.

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He should be able to show a zero power bill or an amount of exported power from the unit that powers his home for free with no input of fuel gas, but he cannot because the system requires a supply of fuel which cost money to buy, or costs time and effort to produce at the very least try to make fuel gas for free without spending any money, time or effort

Hmmm he does not want you to have the luxury to own his device....he wants to get ritch and he succeeded...

can you imagine their fuel cell being so simple and inexpensive than hopegirls QEG yet selling units to the filthy rich folks for high prices..the moral of the story is to understand his way how he made it to the top with out getting shut down by his inventions first.

I'm pretty sure his intentions where not to hell you, me, your dad, my dad, any lower class at all....and his intentions did pay off because now he is where he is at.

That goes to show how hard it is to help the poor...there are many variables dude but they always add up at after the = sing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 23, 2014, 05:55:01 AM
Word to the wise, do not even bother trying to educate Stuart C. at peswiki.com.  He is beyond help.  You would have a better chance reaching joel321
Stuart is perhaps even more of a zealot than Sterling.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 23, 2014, 06:00:06 AM
Quote
You will never see a working QEG, ever.

Why not?...it's illogical to say that like if for some reason you have been in the future...lol

What is you definition of a QEG?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on September 23, 2014, 10:03:52 AM
The you watched when he stated that one cube in his hand can power up a house WHAT!!!!??? and then he managed to get and middle man to find investors for him and google bought one from these crazy claims?

Needing fuel is not really the amazing part. The part that it takes fuel in and then UP_SCALES it is what gets your attention. Then the fact that big honchos bought their units!!!

I believe he mentioned the units gather the energy from the air? Oh by the way, did you hear the part where she mentioned that they have been secretive about their technology for 10 years and that way 5 yrs ago...so this bloom box is still going on till today after fifteen years.
...
...
Efficiency:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_Energy_Server
excerpt:
Bloom claims a conversion efficiency of around 50%.[38] A modern combined cycle gas turbine power plant (CCGT) can reach 60% overall efficiency, using a multi-step process. Sridhar stated that Bloom's products convert chemical energy to electrical energy in one step, are more fuel efficient than current gas-fired power stations and reduce transmission/distribution losses by producing power where it is used.[39]


verdict:
http://www.getreallist.com/my-verdict-on-the-bloom-box.html

Here some lawsuits:
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/money/business/2014/06/30/lawsuit-attacks-bloom-box-energy-claims/11809051/
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/21/884-May-Be-Bloom-Energys-Fatal-Number-Fuel-Cell-Efficiency-Federal-State-Tax-Credits

Without Taxe-Credit, bloom box energy is too expensive! Do not forget also the maintenance costs...
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on September 23, 2014, 10:27:45 AM
Why not?...it's illogical to say that like if for some reason you have been in the future...lol

What is you definition of a QEG?

 - "The" GEG is this one:
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/03/25/qeg-open-sourced/
with his QEG OPEN SOURCE DOCUMENTS here:
http://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/qeg-user-manual-3-25-14.pdf
Do not forget to donate:
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/donate-to-hopegirl-ftw/

and nothing else.

 - He did not go in the future, but it can predict that one day you will be dead ...
This is the same with the thermodynamics  :)
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 23, 2014, 01:49:26 PM
Quote
I believe he mentioned the units gather the energy from the air? Oh by the way, did you hear the part where she mentioned that they have been secretive about their technology for 10 years and that way 5 yrs ago...so this bloom box is still going on till today after fifteen years. At any rate....you don't know what fuel it needs until you actually own one and understand the unit...right now your brain is only thinking oil gas prices or electricity gas prices....your mind is not able to see past that in my opinion...not trying to insult at all it is that I imagine your definition of fuel is OIL, GAS, ELECTRIC METER.....those are the top FUEL wasters.
@Joel
I'm sick to death with your perverse and distorted view of things energy related. You need to stop misrepresenting how things work. This is a classic example. The bloom box is a solid state fuel cell that uses NATURAL GAS as a fuel source to produce electricity. This is chemical reaction where the by product of the reaction is CO2. This is not a free energy device. It does not work off of air.  The device is estimated to produce 884 pounds of CO2 per mega watt of electricity. This is not even a clean energy device.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on September 23, 2014, 09:12:19 PM
Efficiency:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloom_Energy_Server
excerpt:
Bloom claims a conversion efficiency of around 50%.[38] A modern combined cycle gas turbine power plant (CCGT) can reach 60% overall efficiency, using a multi-step process. Sridhar stated that Bloom's products convert chemical energy to electrical energy in one step, are more fuel efficient than current gas-fired power stations and reduce transmission/distribution losses by producing power where it is used.[39]


verdict:
http://www.getreallist.com/my-verdict-on-the-bloom-box.html

Here some lawsuits:
http://www.delawareonline.com/story/money/business/2014/06/30/lawsuit-attacks-bloom-box-energy-claims/11809051/
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/21/884-May-Be-Bloom-Energys-Fatal-Number-Fuel-Cell-Efficiency-Federal-State-Tax-Credits

Without Taxe-Credit, bloom box energy is too expensive! Do not forget also the maintenance costs...
@+

Oh Deary me, The very worst kind of scam is Bloom, a scam of immense dollar value with much of the funding coming from the tax
payer and the scam is perpetrated by members of the "Above the law elite" probably with access to tax payer funded lawyers to
defend them from the wrath of the taxpayers. Perfect.

They should all be jailed as well, the taxpayers should go ballistic.

Here's a thought, possible theoretical discourse, NSA to Google, hey google we will pay the majority of the cost for a bank of
bloom boxes to fake a green energy initiative for you while at the same time fleecing the taxpayers for the cost, you get some
cheap power and the green tick but we need access to all your data unrestricted. This is not an offer we are telling you what is
going to happen. hahaha

No wonder the authorities don't go after scammers, the elite are even doing free/green energy scams, but on the hundreds of
million dollar scale of course, almost in the billions, which is the kind of taxpayer money sums they like to dip into, sums so large
audits are a joke, and stakes become high enough for life threatening and paranoia.

No surprise to me, while psychopathic/sociopathic criminals run the show we are just playing a rigged game. Real life and
progress can not occur while these scum control so many apathetic souls. The writing is on the wall, but people either cannot
read, are too busy to read, to scared to accept it, just don't care about their children's future or don't have kids or simply do not
understand or think for themselves.

Quickly it is beginning to seem to me that most people have no desire for self determination and want others to rule and run their
lives for them to the point of them sending their children to die for the elites profits. Entire governments of several countries are
criminals that act as if they have morals. But they are so wicked and sly, their acts are almost master strokes of wizardry.

One child for dad one child for mum and one child for the country is what a politician said here, which is almost like saying breed
us a human to use.It's sick and twisted. Kind of demonic. But made to seem normal. It's not.

Sometimes I feel it is pointless and people are so ignorant they deserve all they get. I mean we use other animals as beasts of
burden, why not use other humans as the same. Every time we go to work for someone else for wages while the employer gets
paid well for our work we are doing others labors and earning them money as we earn our own which is a kind of slavery, like it
or lump it. it is what it is.

Let the mining tycoon dig up his own coal or ore, and see how rich he stays. Rich people don't get rich off their own back, they get others to do the work for them, and people line up to do it, rather than demand fair use of land for all.

Anything that works and is viable should not need any subsidizing, I didn't need anyone to offer to pay for half of my solar panels
for me to know it was still worthwhile obtaining them. I don't need the government to subsidize chickens before I buy/breed
them to get cheap fresh eggs and meat to eat. No one needs a subsidy to convince them to do what makes sense. Subsidies
are needed to get people to do things that don't make sense. Generally speaking Gov. subsidies usually do the exact opposite of
what they promise. And the money all comes form the taxpayers anyway, so we subsidize ourselves bu the programs bleed of
funds from the poor to the rich.

Amazingly we are seeing a reduction in energy bills due to the removal of the carbon tax in Aus. and a mining magnate turned politician that seems he may have grown some moral compass and who holds the balance of power demanded that when the
tax is removed the saving must be passed back to the consumers. Which required the government redraft their tabled bills
to Parliament. Sneaky Abbot wanted to remove the carbon tax and used that to get elected then tried not to pass on the
savings to the consumers. He should be charged and tried. That's a kind of fraud in my books.

.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rigel4 on September 24, 2014, 02:58:04 AM
And meanwhile, How is the QEG testing going along ? Is the QEG working as designed or not? Is there currently in FTW  anyone other than Hopes family, commenting on their experience?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 24, 2014, 05:13:39 AM
10 bucks a certain someone will say again for the umpteen time "what is your definition..."
10 to 1 odds in my favor.  Place your bets.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 24, 2014, 05:23:29 AM
!!QUICK!!
Get your donations money out and ready to send!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qigx8DhD4TU

Someone is using mains to power a motor to power a bank of bulbs.  One-ness is here!!!!

<insert arms up in V icon>
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 24, 2014, 07:20:43 AM
I think I detect a certain subtle disappointment in the way the unplugged line cord is tossed around. Well, no wonder! They probably have their Exciter Coil tuned to the wrong frequency!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 24, 2014, 07:23:58 AM
Regarding the bloom box, we can only theorize how it really works....that is all. But one has a brain that can collect all of this half given information to make a real clear picture of what it is really going on.

Take for example when I mentioned about the windows 98 200Mhz CPU required. It was taking in 120vAC/240vAC lowering it down to 12vDC/5vDC via the power supply to feed the 200Mhz CPU. Now we have the same input power for a 4Ghz CPU with a 1Ghz video card....could be more by now since I have not been keeping up with the latest CPU and GPU technology. Now we have chips that have 4 CPUs and built in GPU inside the size of the back then 200Mhz CPU.

We have these UFO sightings all over the place. With the technology of video recording and people being more ware of the sky, we get this information that I'm sure NASA and others viewing the skies are fully aware of. When you actually think about it from a elementary brain...the universe created us. How hard is it to believe that there is no other earth twin in the billions of galaxies in the universe? Lol

Now lets take in consideration “EVOLUTION”. We humans evolved from monkeys. Your great great great great great great uncle was a monkey-like mammal. The monkeys' uncle was maybe a dinosaur...their uncle something else all the way down to micro organisms. Breathing the same air eating the same food getting the same light energy for billions of years. Now we have shyt load of humans building machines that can go to the moon/pluto. What I see in my mind is that taping in to this FREE energy is what is making the civilization. You don't see a gorilla that poops and eats the same way as humans do making machines while still consuming the same amount of food (or more) as humans do? Our brains are taping in to this FREE ENERGY to make calculations.

Then we can look at wars. What's the purpose of wars? There are many reasons, from monetary to psychotic to getting but hurt to just wanting to rule everyone. Animals mainly fight to have  – ALPHA vs BETA males. Bigger horns to intimidate and get to the females first. This is also for bigger teeth, pretty feathers like the peacock, appealing dancing, body piercings and art like tattoos....etc etc. The main purpose is always geeting more than what you put in...and it works. An alpha male VS a beta male eat the same food and take the same air/light/etc energy while the ALPHA male will reproduce with more females that a beta male – more energy giving out!

The QEG...the QEG to me is everything that makes sense in the world. It is pretty simple to understand. Take little energy in – more energy comes out. The fact of the matter is that the energy that is being put in is not from one source only....you need AIR energy (transformer) LIGHT energy (photocell) MOMENTUM energy (gravity) etc etc etc....you need all of the FREE ENERGY to actually   step it up. In my mind, you always step up what you put in.

When you buy a brand new car for $20,000 dollars, where did $1,000 dollars go after you drove it off the parking lot to your house? I'm selling a bunch of stuff on craigslist for maybe a ¼ of what I paid for them brand new. I sold 5 PS3 games today for $60 bucks when a couple of years I bought them for $60 each...what the hell happened to my money=gold? At any rate....

Hopegirls' QEG is not the only one out there. But the 100% is that making it free for everyone is what works and the only way it will work...if it's a flop at the end, it's only EVOLUTION for the common people that will eventually happen...to put it bluntly...the common people are way behind the technology, information, data, facts, than the rich people doing experiments behind closed doors that you will find out probably like 20 years from now after the current technology behind closed doors is phased out!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 24, 2014, 07:42:22 AM
Quote
Oh Deary me, The very worst kind of scam is Bloom, a scam of immense dollar value with much of the funding coming from the tax
payer and the scam is perpetrated by members of the "Above the law elite" probably with access to tax payer funded lawyers to
defend them from the wrath of the taxpayers. Perfect.

Didn't you hear me mention that the banks can print money? Lol The difference between printing $1 bill and $100 bill costs less than 50 cents. So lets say it costs it costs 20 cents to print a $1 bill and 45 cents to print a $100 bill. The difference between the two would be a whopping 25 cents.  You don't want to talk about scams when they can shut you down if you bitch about it...lol

Do you want to look at how much money is taken of your check each week? And then look in to that deeper how it works? Lol The bloom box is the least of your priorities.

But you see how you look at the bloom box “public” data how it makes you iffy....i'm pretty sure if you look at government way of handling money will make your blood boil. lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 24, 2014, 12:14:43 PM
Regarding the bloom box, we can only theorize how it really works....that is all.
LOL.
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Take for example when I mentioned about the windows 98 200Mhz CPU required. It was taking in 120vAC/240vAC lowering it down to 12vDC/5vDC via the power supply to feed the 200Mhz CPU. Now we have the same input power for a 4Ghz CPU with a 1Ghz video card....could be more by now since I have not been keeping up with the latest CPU and GPU technology. Now we have chips that have 4 CPUs and built in GPU inside the size of the back then 200Mhz CPU.

We have these UFO sightings all over the place. With the technology of video recording and people being more ware of the sky, we get this information that I'm sure NASA and others viewing the skies are fully aware of. When you actually think about it from a elementary brain...the universe created us. How hard is it to believe that there is no other earth twin in the billions of galaxies in the universe? Lol

Now lets take in consideration “EVOLUTION”. We humans evolved from monkeys. Your great great great great great great uncle was a monkey-like mammal. The monkeys' uncle was maybe a dinosaur...their uncle something else all the way down to micro organisms. Breathing the same air eating the same food getting the same light energy for billions of years. Now we have shyt load of humans building machines that can go to the moon/pluto. What I see in my mind is that taping in to this FREE energy is what is making the civilization. You don't see a gorilla that poops and eats the same way as humans do making machines while still consuming the same amount of food (or more) as humans do? Our brains are taping in to this FREE ENERGY to make calculations.

Then we can look at wars. What's the purpose of wars? There are many reasons, from monetary to psychotic to getting but hurt to just wanting to rule everyone. Animals mainly fight to have  – ALPHA vs BETA males. Bigger horns to intimidate and get to the females first. This is also for bigger teeth, pretty feathers like the peacock, appealing dancing, body piercings and art like tattoos....etc etc. The main purpose is always geeting more than what you put in...and it works. An alpha male VS a beta male eat the same food and take the same air/light/etc energy while the ALPHA male will reproduce with more females that a beta male – more energy giving out!

Have you considered rabbits, or the larch?
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The QEG...the QEG to me is everything that makes sense in the world. It is pretty simple to understand. Take little energy in – more energy comes out.

The little problem you face is that no QEG has ever done that.  The best that they have reported is getting 30% of what they recognize that they supplied.
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The fact of the matter is that the energy that is being put in is not from one source only....you need AIR energy (transformer) LIGHT energy (photocell) MOMENTUM energy (gravity) etc etc etc....you need all of the FREE ENERGY to actually   step it up. In my mind, you always step up what you put in.

If you believe that, then the QEG is even worse than its measured 30% efficiency.
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When you buy a brand new car for $20,000 dollars, where did $1,000 dollars go after you drove it off the parking lot to your house? I'm selling a bunch of stuff on craigslist for maybe a ¼ of what I paid for them brand new. I sold 5 PS3 games today for $60 bucks when a couple of years I bought them for $60 each...what the hell happened to my money=gold? At any rate....

Hopegirls' QEG is not the only one out there. But the 100% is that making it free for everyone is what works and the only way it will work...if it's a flop at the end, it's only EVOLUTION for the common people that will eventually happen...to put it bluntly...the common people are way behind the technology, information, data, facts, than the rich people doing experiments behind closed doors that you will find out probably like 20 years from now after the current technology behind closed doors is phased out!!
The evolution that the Robitaille clan keep demonstrating is that:  "When a person with money meets a person with experience, their roles reverse."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 24, 2014, 04:13:04 PM
!!QUICK!!
Get your donations money out and ready to send!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qigx8DhD4TU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qigx8DhD4TU)

Someone is using mains to power a motor to power a bank of bulbs.  One-ness is here!!!!

<insert arms up in V icon>
Fascinating!


The same video is reposted on "shean bedocom's" YT Channel... but of course that posting has "comments disabled."


But... in case anyone still doesn't believe that "Fix The World" is closely linked with the criminal OPPT organization, "shean bedocom" has "liked" and linked this video on his channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-f0K45PH2g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-f0K45PH2g)


ETA: They are just questions, Leon. They are written down....



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 24, 2014, 04:54:31 PM
Look! I actually got Kevin Blundell to make a response on one of the videos he's posted!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUMSeoYwByg
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 24, 2014, 06:43:04 PM
Well, I made a long "chime in" posting to Kevin Blundell on YouTube.   Before I click the button I decided to paste the text here:

To Kevin:

<<<<
 I looked at the photos on Facebook Kevin and I can see that you have a perfectly good looking build.  The problem is that we have already seen clips of perfectly good looking builds that look essentially identical to your build.  We have seen what they do, they light up a small bank of light bulbs with somewhere between 20% and 30% efficiency as compared to the power drawn from the AC outlet.  That is exactly what your build is going to do also.  That will be "Montreal has achieved resonance."  If you guys are real you will post your power-in and power-out numbers along with the clip.  That's the elephant in the room.

Then after that, you will try to tweak the setup in search of over unity.  Change the caps, adjust the coils, and try different series and parallel combinations of your light bulb load in search of a "magic" resonator combination and load impedance that you hope will give you over unity.  That will be an exercise in futility and will take the technical team months to do if they are only working on weekends.

Then you will be back at square one with the questions TinselKoala posed to you today, Sept 24, 2014, that you are intentionally ignoring because you want to stick to the belief system that says "we are right (we have to be right) and everybody else is wrong."

You will eventually have to confront the fact that we were right and you guys were wrong.

My advice to you is to face up to things right now and start posing the technical questions listed by TinselKoala to your technical team - today.  Deal with the issues now, and don't sweep them under the rug.  That is the way projects are done and that is how products are designed.  You don't hide your head in the sand.

I am sensing that you won't take my advice.  You are going to put it into the hands of your technical team and give them a wide latitude.  That means you won't say anything for months.  It's a shame because that decision will come to haunt you.

You are a grown man playing with a funky transformer, nothing more than that.  It's just a bloody transformer that transforms mechanical energy into electrical energy.  On a fundamental level, it's not really any different from a transformer that transforms electrical energy into electrical energy.  If you consider the production of heat to be a loss, then both types of transformers are under unity devices.  The story about "tapping into the quantum field" is laughable nonsense.  Open your eyes, it's just a hunk of metal and wire.  When the efficiency of the QEG is 30% in-to-out, that means that 70% of the input electrical energy is becoming heat and heating up the room before it even gets to the light bulb load.  In a strict engineering sense, and please don't be offended, the QEG is just a bloody HEATER, more than anything else.
>>>
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 24, 2014, 06:43:36 PM
They will just march on as though you never made the comments.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 24, 2014, 07:09:10 PM
Blundell has today shown himself to be utterly complicit in the QEG fraud, and is completely without integrity. His website continues to claim that the QEG works, can power a home, is based on Tesla patents, and so on, while also continuing to ask for donations.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 24, 2014, 08:28:41 PM
They will just march on as though you never made the comments.
Yes, they will march on like QEGings, and like lemmings they will be throwing themselves of off the cliff of despair is a couple of months. Else they will all be in Morocco with the rest of the OPPT having a good laugh.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 25, 2014, 02:20:03 AM
Yes, they will march on like QEGings, and like lemmings they will be throwing themselves of off the cliff of despair is a couple of months. Else they will all be in Morocco with the rest of the OPPT having a good laugh.

I wonder if Morocco has an extradition treaty with the US?  If not, they all may end up over there.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on September 25, 2014, 05:03:19 AM
Didn't you hear me mention that the banks can print money? Lol The difference between printing $1 bill and $100 bill costs less than 50 cents. So lets say it costs it costs 20 cents to print a $1 bill and 45 cents to print a $100 bill. The difference between the two would be a whopping 25 cents.  You don't want to talk about scams when they can shut you down if you bitch about it...lol

Do you want to look at how much money is taken of your check each week? And then look in to that deeper how it works? Lol The bloom box is the least of your priorities.

But you see how you look at the bloom box “public” data how it makes you iffy....i'm pretty sure if you look at government way of handling money will make your blood boil. lol

This is a thread about the QEG, it's not the place to go on about the issuance of currency and the central banking system.
Fortunately for humanity Many people are aware of how the money is created and currency issued ect. Fiat currency and no gold
standard,the petro dollar ect. ect.

This thread is for discussion of the realities of resonant tank circuits, VAR and real power, input and output and people scamming
others based on lies surrounding those things.

I'm trying not to read your posts but others posts are containing replies to you which is harshing my buzz man, scammers are
scammers the bloom thingy is a bigger scam than the QEG, and I was not aware it was so bad, kinda makes the QEG scam
seem lame. 

Maybe the FTW mob cited the bloom box because they aspire to that kind of big money fraud. The legal actions and time will sort it out but in the mean time people do real work to change numbers on the FED's books due to taxes paid, when people go to work and sweat all day building things that's real work and too much of that work pays for bad gov. management and big money scams from those elected to manage things properly.

QEG is a scam for sure and the Bloom box looks like it's an even bigger scam. No surprise to me, that's what people do, they strive to get money from others so they have more and that allows them to have influence over those others that need stuff
to live.

It's the way of the world.  :) Like it or lump it.

 :) :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACfNSqsi_mE

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 25, 2014, 05:06:41 AM
Look! I actually got Kevin Blundell to make a response on one of the videos he's posted!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUMSeoYwByg

Kevin Blundell must have some strange "if you are seriously interested <forward to some other site> " complex.
James indirectly told?.   Well FTW has numerous blogs at their wordpress page stating OU achieved.

But to top it all off with icing and pudding.  Kevin says:
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My advice, wait and see, or get involved and make this happen faster

I been telling on this forum the day I signed up after this qeg farce the "wait see" virus will go viral.  I have yet to see a single discussion, across pages inside a forum and across domains where "wait see" did not show it's ugly face.


Error.  I thought he could not get any worse. 
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the website does not say it works…please watch the video again. You are mistaken. I am disengaging from conversation with you now, I think I have provided sufficient info for you. You need to do your own research.  oh my, seems I am in error…the site does make that claim…that was not my doing….I will speak to the admin and get him to adjust….thanks.

Then accuses TinselKoala of assuming and not doing the research.  Some people cannot be reached.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 25, 2014, 06:23:07 AM
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This is a thread about the QEG, it's not the place to go on about the issuance of currency and the central banking system.
Fortunately for humanity Many people are aware of how the money is created and currency issued ect. Fiat currency and no gold
standard,the petro dollar ect. Ect.

lol how ignorance just focuses on just bullying the QEG to get a few LOLs. Do you know what “groupies” are? In the psychology is when someone says that they don't believe in something the groupies follow.

Yes this is a QEG thread and lets do SCIENCE to disprove it instead of just bullying people and insulting them. Never in my life regarding reading science have I seen science being conducted as poking fun and taunting and belittling...that is regarding to socialism “look at me look at me I have a big mouth”.

My point is that even in the currency now today...bankers pay, lets say, 30 cents to print a dollar, that is less energy being put in and a dollar comes out? Bankers pay, lets say, 60 cents to print a $100 bill...there you go a QEG making money.

And no, I would estimate that less than 3% know how the money system work. You just like to assume things. (ahem groupie)

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This thread is for discussion of the realities of resonant tank circuits, VAR and real power, input and output and people scamming
others based on lies surrounding those things.

I have been reading this thread since it first started and mostly it is just poking fun at it with out really trying to recreate it and do science. SO you just go around and poke fun at things with out actually replicating it yourself in a small scale and showing how it is impossible it will not work? NOPE! It's all mostly yap yap yap with out actually seeing electrical engineers disproving the claims.

Look at the science the others are doing here = poking fun at Kevin Blundell. Maybe he is actually a scammed or maybe not...poking fun and enhancing your pride is not actually doing anyone any good except the enhancing pride part. I'm pretty sure nikola tesla was  the only judge that could ONLY modify this QEG or scrap...but ah well.


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I'm trying not to read your posts but others posts are containing replies to you which is harshing my buzz man, scammers are
scammers the bloom thingy is a bigger scam than the QEG, and I was not aware it was so bad, kinda makes the QEG scam
seem lame.

You wipe your own butt with your hand. Again, how are you 100% sure that the bloom box is wrong? Info from wikipedia can be edited by your grandma. How hard would it not be to edited by a high official as to mask the info? You have to take inconsideration that probability too! Is not like you wikipedia is 100% accurate!

Science is not only in a laboratory...you need to do science in your judgment and ability to see things from different angles.

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Maybe the FTW mob cited the bloom box because they aspire to that kind of big money fraud. The legal actions and time will sort it out but in the mean time people do real work to change numbers on the FED's books due to taxes paid, when people go to work and sweat all day building things that's real work and too much of that work pays for bad gov. management and big money scams from those elected to manage things properly.

maybe maybe maybe maybe...maybes do not = halve way to facts even. Look at the facts. QEG movement is sharing schematics. Sharing videos. Going to different places so the information reaches all over the world. Kind of putting their lives in danger....look at the bloom box, they don't share shyt...they are secretive for 15 years...reminds me of the stealth airplanes from the army 15 years after.

Reminds me human psychology.....when a fox chases a potential food up a tree – he walks away thinking “it probably tasted bad”

The CEO's don't even do any physical work yet millions a year? A farmer wakes up at 6AM in the morning to attend the animals and maybe even during the night...hard work and not even make a million a year. How is a CEO putting VERY LITTLE energy in and getting LOTS of it back in MONEY?

Like it or lump it or just stay at saying “it probably tasted bad” lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on September 25, 2014, 09:13:06 AM



 Joel,
       do a couple of things. Get a dictionary and look-up NAIVE.
  Get a 2hp. motor and an ammeter and see just how much goes
down the drain when it's running unloaded.
   I've been looking at these things for years and haven't even
seen a milliwatt anywhere yet.
    MarkE was right some while back, a few solar panels would
help some of these poor people.
   What really is needed is an electric storage battery that LASTS.
Get them a solar pump and some plastic pipe, A way of testing
water for arsenic and the like and a filter and uv steriliser.
                John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 25, 2014, 01:28:53 PM
Kevin Blundell of QEG Canada has disabled the comments on his three YouTube videos.  He just responded for the first time to some of TK's and my comments yesterday.  So he finally had something to say, and then the next day the debate has been shut down.

I noticed that there were some comments from a YouTube user called "QEG Canada" calling TK a shill.  The comments were posted within the past day.  I can only speculate that this "QEG Canada" person is not Kevin Blundell but he or she put pressure on Kevin and therefore all debate on Kevin's YouTube videos has been stopped cold.

So much for the New Age peace and love crowd.  They are in their creepy little boxes made of ticky-tacky and they all think in little boxes and they all think just the same.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 25, 2014, 01:40:22 PM
Well, that Google+ bell notification icon preserved some last scraps of the debate so I did a screen cap.  (I hate that stupid Google "forced sign-up to Google+" business but at least the stupid bell has proved useful in this case.)

And a little shout out to Exnihloest thanking him for his astute comment.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on September 25, 2014, 02:16:27 PM
Do you know this from QEGNetwork on SKYPE:
Extract from QEGNetwork
Pseudo SKYPE:QEGNetwork  see: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-skype-rooms/143-qeg-network-q-a-skyperoom
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"
[24/09/2014 12:36:44] mmeta200: ***An invitation to the QEG community to participate in the MetaQEG build project.***


PURPOSE- To build and prove the feasibility of the MetaQEG as presented in this pdf.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/96cnji0pnjffllt/MetaQEG.pdf?dl=0 

HOW - If you are interested in  participating in this build project, an initial interview with MMeta will be required,
and decisions will be made how to proceed from there.  Any questions should be directed to MMeta on his personal Skype …  MMeta200 .
  That is also where you should request a personal interview, which will be via a Zoom room, to discuss your personal involvement in the project.
Despite the lofty aims of the project, it is anticipated to be fun and educational.
 We are not in a hurry, but are wanting to proceed with focus, and with an easy going, attentive approach as there are some variables that will need experimentation.
 To familiarize yourself with the project you may read/study all of the materials we have collected so far at this dropbox link
 https://www.dropbox.com/sh/9d721tthw2tu680/AABVp-Enet22Md-A18BJrAkra?dl=0   (download or view only)
Looking forward to talking to those who are interested.

[24/09/2014 21:17:35] *** gijs-hooft-graafland est parti ***
[02:17:22] henryoleary: I would be more interested, if I had some confidence the QEG would actually deliver over-unity.
[02:17:47 | Modifié (02:18:12)] henryoleary: Maybe that is the argument you need to make first.  And also: What's in it for passive investors?
[11:46:50] nestara: I think you miss the point. This is simply offering an opportunity to participate...not trying to get you to buy in.
  If it doesn't resonate, it's not for you. Perhaps after we build it, and if it produces over unity... we will then post again.
[11:48:23] nestara: You would need to discuss the investment aspect with mmeta...
[11:48:53] henryoleary: Ed, You are asking for Money right?
[11:49:06] henryoleary: Do you think investors will not want to see that?
[11:49:12] nestara: No...
[11:49:32] henryoleary: Haha. You may not know many investors then
[11:50:41] nestara: Just read the material... And if it is of interest ... Then you will or won't want to be a part . That's really it...
[11:51:55] nestara: If it works... I am sure there will be some advantage for investors...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on September 25, 2014, 04:52:43 PM
Kevin Blundell of QEG Canada has disabled the comments on his three YouTube videos.  He just responded for the first time to some of TK's and my comments yesterday.  So he finally had something to say, and then the next day the debate has been shut down.

Regarding Kevin disabling comments on a video used directly in a gofundme campaign,
and (via ACG) admitting that his website (also used as documentation in the campaign) mistakenly claims it works.



I have reported to GoFundMe, the QEG Canada campaign for fraud with the following communication:

The reputation of your site is being tarnished by the numerous mention of it in relation to the QEG fraud.

 This campaign is asking for $8000 to build a generator, not to research one.
The text of the campaign contains :
" it does achieve over unity"
and
"It takes approximately 1000 watts to run the QEG and when functioning at maximum efficiency can output 40,000 watts of clean non-polluting quantum energy."

It has been fully proved and documented at :
http://www.overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg418210
that these statements are not true.

Please end this campaign and reimburse donors.

Many Thanks

Peter



I received the following back :

from Greg (GoFundMe Customer Happiness) <support@gofundme.zendesk.com>
Thank you for bringing this to our attention. We will be investigating the page and taking appropriate action. If you have any further information to add to your report, please simply reply to this email.
In addition to the report you have submitted to us, we encourage you to contact law enforcement officials in your area if you believe this user is committing fraud or breaking the law in any way.
We will follow up with you only if we have any further questions.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 25, 2014, 04:58:18 PM
The user "QEG Canada" is another one of the OPPT fanboys. Or girls. And is insane, to boot.

Here's a comment left by QEG Canada on someone's video:

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sorry dude...I have channelled Arch Angel Michael and Father God and done extensive reading on the Solfeggio Tones...they are real and are healing.  They were used by the ancients and are sneaking their way back into modern life.  If you are interested in why they disappeared, research the Rockafeller foundation and solfeggio tones...you will get some insight into this issue.



Kevin Blundell has censored and closed the comments for a reason: He cannot truthfully answer my questions without "blowing his cover" and revealing that there is NO QEG ANYWHERE that performs as claimed and that there has been NO PROGRESS towards that goal in any of the many QEG builds around the world. He has made a tiny change in the false statement that appears on the front page of the website. It still lies, though.

Now it says,
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The QEG, based on the work of Nikola Tesla, does not need to be plugged into a centralized power grid. It taps into the quantum field and draws usable electricity from it.  We are confident that a QEG will provide between 10 and 20Kw of power, which exceeds the amount of energy needed to power the average Canadian home.

Really? IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE PLUGGED IN to a centralized power grid -- just to some equivalent source of power. Why hasn't he told the truth here?
IT TAPS INTO THE QUANTUM FIELD. Really? Where is there ANY evidence for that claim? What is the Quantum Field and how does one tap into it? Why hasn't he told the truth here?
IT IS BASED ON THE WORK OF NIKOLA TESLA. Really? The Tesla reference in the OFFICIAL construction manual has no resemblance to the QEG design. One can just as "correctly" claim that the ignition coil in your automobile is based on the work of Nikola Tesla. Or the digital logic gates in your computer: also based on the work of Nikola Tesla. Big deal... if it _doesn't work_ as claimed, what does it matter whose work it is based upon? These fraudsters are using the name of Nikola Tesla as part of the "duping" process, nothing more. My MicroQEG has more DIRECT links to Tesla's actual work than the FTW QEG does: I use a real Tesla Bifilar coil in my construction, for example. So why hasn't Blundell told the truth here?
I know why, and so does he.

They are "confident" that the QEG will provide 20 kW of power which exceeds the amount of energy needed to power the "average" Canadian home.
But Canadian homes consume more electricity than any other country's homes and they need a power supply that will meet the PEAK LOADS not just the "average" load. Why hasn't he told the truth here?

In short, Kevin Blundell is still lying, in order to obtain funding for his part of the QEG scam. Where is the QEG that does not need to be plugged in to a centralized power grid OR ITS EQUIVALENT in terms of continuous power supply?

Nowhere, that's where.

It's hilarious to look at that website, where it claims that there will be continuous progress reports... and the last report is from sometime in June and is just the same old same old interview, by someone who doesn't ask the real questions.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 25, 2014, 06:06:11 PM
The user "QEG Canada" is another one of the OPPT fanboys. Or girls. And is insane, to boot.

Here's a comment left by QEG Canada on someone's video:



Kevin Blundell has censored and closed the comments for a reason: He cannot truthfully answer my questions without "blowing his cover" and revealing that there is NO QEG ANYWHERE that performs as claimed and that there has been NO PROGRESS towards that goal in any of the many QEG builds around the world. He has made a tiny change in the false statement that appears on the front page of the website. It still lies, though.

Now it says,
Really? IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE PLUGGED IN to a centralized power grid -- just to some equivalent source of power. Why hasn't he told the truth here?
IT TAPS INTO THE QUANTUM FIELD. Really? Where is there ANY evidence for that claim? What is the Quantum Field and how does one tap into it? Why hasn't he told the truth here?
IT IS BASED ON THE WORK OF NIKOLA TESLA. Really? The Tesla reference in the OFFICIAL construction manual has no resemblance to the QEG design. One can just as "correctly" claim that the ignition coil in your automobile is based on the work of Nikola Tesla. Or the digital logic gates in your computer: also based on the work of Nikola Tesla. Big deal... if it _doesn't work_ as claimed, what does it matter whose work it is based upon? These fraudsters are using the name of Nikola Tesla as part of the "duping" process, nothing more. My MicroQEG has more DIRECT links to Tesla's actual work than the FTW QEG does: I use a real Tesla Bifilar coil in my construction, for example. So why hasn't Blundell told the truth here?
I know why, and so does he.

They are "confident" that the QEG will provide 20 kW of power which exceeds the amount of energy needed to power the "average" Canadian home.
But Canadian homes consume more electricity than any other country's homes and they need a power supply that will meet the PEAK LOADS not just the "average" load. Why hasn't he told the truth here?

In short, Kevin Blundell is still lying, in order to obtain funding for his part of the QEG scam. Where is the QEG that does not need to be plugged in to a centralized power grid OR ITS EQUIVALENT in terms of continuous power supply?

Nowhere, that's where.

It's hilarious to look at that website, where it claims that there will be continuous progress reports... and the last report is from sometime in June and is just the same old same old interview, by someone who doesn't ask the real questions.
Tk you are going to give yourself an aneurysm or something! These guys are too heavily invested in this thing to admit to anything you say or point out to them. They have taken peoples money and to admit that this was all a load of nonsense would mean exposing themselves to legal problems.  They are QEGings after all. They march lock step towards their doom. The important thing is to not to let the attention be drawn away from there activities. I'm sure they would all like to fade quietly into the night. After all this this is going to play all over several years. Remember they still have to condition the exciter coil and who knows how long that will take?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 25, 2014, 06:12:23 PM
This is interesting, those 5000 engineers are quite clearly working hard after all:
 
http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/china/585-assembly-mini-qeg-china (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/china/585-assembly-mini-qeg-china)

You have to admire the quality of the build on this one:

http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/southafrica2/500-update-qeg-team-cape-town (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/southafrica2/500-update-qeg-team-cape-town)

I've not been able find an open youtube channel for these guys, but I have found a closed part of the be-do.com for South Africa that I do not have permission to access. Interesting!!!! Here's the link:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/302-updates-from-cape-town-qeg-south-africa-team#1207 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/302-updates-from-cape-town-qeg-south-africa-team#1207)

I wonder if there are behind closed door activities going on?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sparks on September 25, 2014, 06:28:55 PM
A MOTOR CAN NOT POWER A GENERATOR THAT WILL PRODUCE ENOUGH POWER TO RUN THE MOTOR.  That said the only thing a resonant transformer can do is store energy.   Tesla used resonance to achieve very high voltage and currents OUT OF PHASE.   He could take a 100hp engine and produce 10hp of electrical energy.  He could however take 100 watts of energy and turn it into megawatts of energy STORED in the transformer secondary oscillations.  This is how a radio receiver works.  Microwatts captured on the antennae are fed into an oscillator until you have milliwatts of energy stored in the blocking oscillator.    The tank is then emptied through a resistance at a given frequency of discharge.
    You can do interesting things with the high voltages developed by a resonant transformer but it doesn't appear to be happening in this QEG which to me looks like a very expensive extension cord.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on September 25, 2014, 08:36:41 PM
A resonant tank can be loaded and power drawn off and the phase alters this can be done while still maintaining resonant rise
on the resonant tank as long as the load power is less than the power pumping the tank. The advantage is that there is a higher
potential to affect the load than can be got from transformation ratio alone.

The phase between voltage and current in a running resonant tank can not remain at exactly 90 degrees because as the losses
exit the tank the phase must be affected to allow power into the tank.

None of that has anything to do with OU and never did.

When Tesla loaded his resonant transformers in power transmission modes the phase changed which allowed power out and
more power in. If it didn't it wouldn't work. A highly efficient tank might be able to resonate with a voltage and current phase
difference of near 90 degrees, but it is not possible for the phase to remain 90 degrees out of phase unless the tank
components were ideal, then the input would drop to absolutely nothing and the tank would resonate for ever.

So any tank setup which has an input of say 12.5 volts and 0.58 A DC has an input of about 7.25 watts of which a fair amount
would be getting input to the tank to cover losses. For that power to get into the tank the phase must be something other than
90 degrees. We can fiddle with things until we see 90 degrees but is that really true if there is an input to the tank, how could it
be ?

A phase difference between voltage and current of very close to 90 degrees while there is no load and there is 7.25 Watts input
means to me that either the very small phase difference is enough to account for the 7.25 Watts minus before tank losses or the
measurements are not quite right.

I do not see how a very accurate measurement can be got when the field from the tank affect the scope before it is even
connected.

Regardless resonant rise can be maintained with a load at other than 90 degrees phase shift between voltage and current.

I think that is an self evident truth. Is it not ?

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 25, 2014, 10:53:34 PM
I think in talking about the QEG and the people behind it we need a new lexicon. So I've started a dictionary of terms that might prove useful. I've really only just scratched the surface so contributions would be most welcome. Let's see how large a list of terms we can build. Here is what I have so far in no particular order:

SkullQEGgery: underhanded or unscrupulous behavior of FTW (HopeGirl's Fix the World project).

QEGgery: The act of taking money from from hapless individuals wanting to do good and shoving a QEG up their ass.

QEGing: A mindless individual that blindly follows much like a lemming.

QEGdulous: Showing too great a readiness to believe in the things put forth by FTW.

QEGiosity: 1. a strong desire to know everything about making the QEG and the people behind it; 2. the strange or unusual object that is the QEG

QEGibity: A term used to described a fraudulent scam that has the potential to solicit large sums of money from donations and crowd funding efforts. As in this idea has great QEGibility.

QEGity:  A state of mind wherein one feels one with the FTW.

QEGdary: A state a perplexity or uncertainty as to why the QEG does not work.

QEGster: A full member of the global QEG community who actively solicits and receives money.

QEGfundity: Those who profess deep insight and knowledge into the workings of the QEG. 

QEGist: Somebody that is able to bring a QEG to full resonance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 25, 2014, 11:05:43 PM
This is interesting, those 5000 engineers are quite clearly working hard after all:
 
http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/china/585-assembly-mini-qeg-china (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/china/585-assembly-mini-qeg-china)
Awww... isn't that cute? But... experiments that I've done seem to indicate to me that a small unit like that may not be able to achieve the degree of parametric pumping that a larger unit will have. Let's not forget that the Big QEG's coils have inductances in the tens of Henries and that the turning of the rotor produces changes in the inductance otoo 20-25 percent, from the "rotor aligned" position to the "rotor unaligned" position.  It may not be possible for the small unit with the multiple rotor arms actually to start self-resonating by amplifying weak ambient fields and parametric pumping. It would be interesting to simulate this small unit, or at least calculate the expected inductances of the coils and the percentage of inductance change caused by the rotation of the rotor poles.
I'll be watching this one with interest, just to see if my feeling is right. If they can get it resonating at a reasonable rotation speed and without using magnets in the rotor, I'll be pleased to be proven wrong about my conclusion and might even build one myself.

Quote

You have to admire the quality of the build on this one:

http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/southafrica2/500-update-qeg-team-cape-town (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/southafrica2/500-update-qeg-team-cape-town)

Yes, beautiful. These are the ones who built their own huge toroidal winder, too, I think! That, at least, might be useful in the future, if they go into the transformer winding business.
I marvel at the space these things take up. But even more, I marvel at the waste of creative talent, and this particular build is an example. Anyone who can build a working toroidal coil winder that can deal with 10-ga wire should not be wasting their time on this useless QEG project!

Quote

I've not been able find an open youtube channel for these guys, but I have found a closed part of the be-do.com for South Africa that I do not have permission to access. Interesting!!!! Here's the link:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/302-updates-from-cape-town-qeg-south-africa-team#1207 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/302-updates-from-cape-town-qeg-south-africa-team#1207)

I wonder if there are behind closed door activities going on?

You just have to laugh at these "open source" projects that are heavily censored, locked up, and that don't discuss their progress, trials, successes and failures openly so that _everyone_ can learn from each other. Top Secret Open Source! Of course there is "behind closed doors" activity! There always is. Even in this very thread there are PMs flying back and forth that we know nothing about in public.

But I'd really really like to have daily reports from James Robitaille. He is the one who is supposed to know what he's doing, and you would think that the other builder teams would be looking to his work so they don't have to duplicate it on their own. How many installed 1.3 MHz "exciter" systems, only to find out later that 7 MHz was needed? (I also wonder if my pointing out the eleven AM radio stations nearby, broadcasting around 50 kW of AM power in all, between 1.27 and 1.32 MHz, had anything to do with that little "modification".)

So how does Jamie spend his days, I wonder? What exactly is he _doing_ on a daily basis in the barn? Does he just sit there watching the exciter sparking every once in a while, then when he thinks the core might be "conditioned" enough he runs up to "resonance", flips the switch and watches it die.. over and over... ? That has got to be a real drag. It is already 25th of September and I know it's starting to cool off in Pennsylvania. How is he heating his laboratory this winter?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mnulep33-A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mnulep33-A)
Well, maybe he sits indoors while the core is "conditioning" with the new 7MHz exciter coil and antenna, and he just goes out to check once a day. Still, it would be nice to see some reports, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 25, 2014, 11:23:28 PM
I guess that Hope, Val, and Jamie figure that they can get away with an update every four to eight weeks.  Hope will simply write up some marketing crap that says nothing.  So in four updates it will be Spring 2015!  In an Orwellian nightmare, chances are the people on the Be-Do forum will behave like perfect sheep.

Meanwhile, sleaze attracts sleaze and look what I found coming out of Hungary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzUFGtzeE4

http://www.qegquickandeasy.com/english.html

https://www.facebook.com/qegquickandeasy

You have to wipe the scum from your eyes and ears after looking at that.  A double-shot of sleaze!

These are probably fake pics but who knows.  If they are real you are looking at actual criminals that want to steal your money.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 25, 2014, 11:38:29 PM
I guess that Hope, Val, and Jamie figure that they can get away with an update every four to eight weeks.  Hope will simply write up some marketing crap that says nothing.  So in four updates it will be Spring 2015!  In an Orwellian nightmare, chances are the people on the Be-Do forum will behave like perfect sheep.

Meanwhile, sleaze attracts sleaze and look what I found coming out of Hungary:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzUFGtzeE4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKzUFGtzeE4)

http://www.qegquickandeasy.com/english.html (http://www.qegquickandeasy.com/english.html)

https://www.facebook.com/qegquickandeasy (https://www.facebook.com/qegquickandeasy)

You have to wipe the scum from your eyes and ears after looking at that.  A double-shot of sleaze!

These are probably fake pics but who knows.  If they are real you are looking at actual criminals that want to steal your money.
I only looked at the first video and from what I saw this whole thing needs to be turned over to the SEC, FBI and there equivalents in the UK. It's gotten out of control! Jamie, Hopeless girl, and Val are the unwitting (witting) ring leaders. This is some serious criminal intent. I'm going to post this over at be-do.com.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 25, 2014, 11:39:12 PM
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So how does Jamie spend his days, I wonder? What exactly is he _doing_ on a daily basis in the barn?

He has earned the right to get drunk with John Bedini, Wayne Travis, and the elusive James Kwok.  They watch the game together in Wayne's sprawling office and by the second half they are staggering around and bumping into walls and office furniture.  Travis and Kwok have drunk super-soaker fights and Jamie and Johnny stagger around trying to taser each other.

It's a free energy barrel full of monkeys.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 25, 2014, 11:48:11 PM
@MH: That's astonishing! I'm sitting here just flabbergasted. That is such a blatant scam... it's like a high tech version of the Nigerian 419 thing. They appear to be soliciting investment into a pyramid scheme selling a non-existent product for which utterly false claims are made.
And those guys look like they can "take care" of any kind of objections someone might have... permanently.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 26, 2014, 12:00:41 AM
@MH: That's astonishing! I'm sitting here just flabbergasted. That is such a blatant scam... it's like a high tech version of the Nigerian 419 thing. They appear to be soliciting investment into a pyramid scheme selling a non-existent product for which utterly false claims are made.
And those guys look like they can "take care" of any kind of objections someone might have... permanently.
Posted at be-do.com Be interesting to see their reaction to the video. Do not forget that the validity for the device is derived from the postings of FTW. I can hear Shean saying Morocco anyone!

Incidentally my Karma at be-do.com is now negative.... Yikes!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on September 26, 2014, 03:12:10 AM
I have some pretty solid ideas, but just wanted to reach out for input.

hypothetically, let's say someone (man or woman - doesn't matter which, but let's call her/him Meg for short) asked you for 100% evidence that something was a fraud.

Non specifically, but for example, a "generator energetic qausi" - GEQ from a country, oh doesn't matter, but let's call it CAmeroon-NADA for the sake of argument.
This was being presented on a website solicing funds.

What 2 or 3 sentences (including Links/References) would you come up with to show 100% fraud.

Totally random, I for example would present something along the lines of:

1. In an interviw with Sterling Albert, John Robitally, in April stated categorically at 20:28 in the following video ---https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ---
that he has already tested it up to 9300 watts output
And yet, the very same people in the video turned around in Aug in http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/08/27/qeg-project-updates-and-transformations/ and claimed that it was a only ever a Reasearch and Development project

So it can be proven, by their own words that this  was never a working machine that just needs building according to Kevin or Rick or whoever started the afforementioed ficticious funding campaign.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 26, 2014, 05:25:32 AM
Quote
Get a 2hp. motor and an ammeter and see just how much goes
down the drain when it's running unloaded.
   I've been looking at these things for years and haven't even
seen a milliwatt anywhere yet.
    MarkE was right some while back, a few solar panels would
help some of these poor people.
   What really is needed is an electric storage battery that LASTS.
Get them a solar pump and some plastic pipe, A way of testing
water for arsenic and the like and a filter and uv steriliser.

Google dictionary evolution. Who uses a dictionary in old technology book form?

You are only stuck in this over unity devices for years...so in your future you will still be here? What is your point of just believing that they don't exist yet you are here? That kind of ignorans.

You have to rad outside this forum only and keep up with all of the new science discoveries out there. It takes time to research and then read the 3 pages long articles since mostly people don't want to hear about that and have a short attention span. Like just recently a team of scientists discovered that the human cells actually think for themselves.

You are stuck in this “group” mentality which i'm pretty sure in another “group” people are more intelligent than you are. This is 100% facts. You are who you hang around with lol....

So what are you doing in this forum besides just to “socialize” when you say that a QEG will never be real? Then 10 years from now it becomes public and real when the facts come out ...then you will say “wow...it is real” but it does not have a cup holder...lol

Explain to me how the suns FREE energy is stepped down so you can be in the beach in your bathing suite....then explain to me why you get a tan...blah blah blah.

Having said that, there will always be scammers leaching profiting from an opportunity.... live PC anti virus software. There are many viruses in the wild looking for open ports in the internet. social engineering. iphones from china.... even cordless tool batteries fakery....i own a lot of tools and i know of this construction worker that bought about 3 thousand worth of batteries and they turned out to be fakes....etc etc etc.

There are a lot of stupid people out there with a big mouth.

I have asked the so called smart people to do the math in how much energy goes in to the Hoover dam and how much it comes out and no one does the math?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on September 26, 2014, 06:14:02 AM
There are a lot of stupid people out there with a big mouth.

I have asked the so called smart people to do the math in how much energy goes in to the Hoover dam and how much it comes out and no one does the math?

Joel,

I am not claiming to be a "so called smart person", but at 5pm EST on Sep 26th 2014, I will hit "Post" with my answer to your question - detailing the inputs and outputs and sources.

I trust you will do likewise at 5pm exactly - so neither of us can cheat off the other.


I expect this will show how absurd your examples of free energy/overunity are.
I haven't started the math yet so I could be wrong on that.
I probably need to begin the calculations by 4:30 ish.


The rest of your post doesn't warrant an answer.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 26, 2014, 06:42:22 AM
joel321,

I been meaning to ask, which one are you?  The wife, the engineering artist, or dolla dolla bill girl herself?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on September 26, 2014, 10:14:14 AM
.....
.....
I have asked the so called smart people to do the math in how much energy goes in to the Hoover dam and how much it comes out and no one does the math?

@Joel
http://water.usgs.gov/edu/watercyclesummary.html
http://water.usgs.gov/edu/hyhowworks.html
http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/info/water_cycle/hydrology.cgi
For the math:
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/12/how-much-dam-energy-can-we-get/
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/11/pump-up-the-storage/

or search for ourselve with google and  word like: "electric dam math "
good reading
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 26, 2014, 02:32:54 PM
Honestly there is no need to pander to Joe's navel gazing and renewable energy stream of consciousness musings.  The business about the potential energy in a dam is is just a diversion to make the thread seem more "consciousness friendly."  It's nonsense that he could have looked up himself without needing anybody's help.  He can also look up how the sun produces energy, there is no need to discuss that here.

The real news from yesterday is that it looks like hard-core eastern European criminal gangs are taking advantage of the QEG scam by piggybacking their own scam on top of the QEG scam.  They made an incredibly slick video that looks like it was professionally done.  The purpose of the video is to make people believe that they can invest in a company that will reap great profits by selling QEG kits that will power houses with free and limitless energy.  It is presented as fact in the videos.

So you go from "spiritual" and "consciousness raising" post-modern hippie boys and girls that are innocently gullible and want to make the world a better place to gun-packing former Eastern Block criminal gang members that are out to steal money from gullible people in the West by any means possible.   The seeds were planted by Naima Feagin and her gang.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 26, 2014, 04:44:13 PM
Honestly there is no need to pander to Joe's navel gazing and renewable energy stream of consciousness musings.  The business about the potential energy in a dam is is just a diversion to make the thread seem more "consciousness friendly."  It's nonsense that he could have looked up himself without needing anybody's help.  He can also look up how the sun produces energy, there is no need to discuss that here.

The real news from yesterday is that it looks like hard-core eastern European criminal gangs are taking advantage of the QEG scam by piggybacking their own scam on top of the QEG scam.  They made an incredibly slick video that looks like it was professionally done.  The purpose of the video is to make people believe that they can invest in a company that will reap great profits by selling QEG kits that will power houses with free and limitless energy.  It is presented as fact in the videos.

So you go from "spiritual" and "consciousness raising" post-modern hippie boys and girls that are innocently gullible and want to make the world a better place to gun-packing former Eastern Block criminal gang members that are out to steal money from gullible people in the West by any means possible.   The seeds were planted by Naima Feagin and her gang.
@MH It's quite amazing that my posting of this video on be-do has 28 viewings and not a single comment. Also check this out:

http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/china/560-shenzhen-resonance-qeg-china-omegaquantum (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/china/560-shenzhen-resonance-qeg-china-omegaquantum)
 
Is that Dave in the picture?


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 26, 2014, 06:16:33 PM
PCB:

That's Evens Abellard in the picture, the illustrious Montreal 'engineer' on a consulting visit.  He is batting 000.  One can guess that the Chinese group offered to cover his travel and accommodation costs and possibly are paying him to get their build to work.  If he is still there Evens has probably run out of the items in the "groping bag of tricks" (resonator coil, antenna, mechanical resonance, 'conditioning' of the core, etc.) and so the vibe must be pretty gloomy.

I am putting 'engineer' in quotations because of this from his Linkedin page:

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Université du Québec - Ecole de Technologie supérieure
Bachelor's degree, Electrical, Electronics and Communications Engineering

1991 – 1992

Grade: Bachelor inengineering

It's impossible to get an engineering degree in one year.  I can't prejudge but all that I can say is it looks like something is amiss.

Imagine an exhausted and dejected Evens returning to Montreal to get the Montreal QEG working after 2 1/2 months of failed attempts in China.

Meanwhile, that stupid Google+ thingie gave me this nugget from Kevin.  It would seem that Kevin is a lost cause.  Kevin is the type of person that Fix the World tries to solicit out in order to suck money from them.  He fits the profile and there are lots of Kevins out there.  Just have a look at the "resonance" videos and feel the creepy manipulative vibe in the room.  Cheering for Hope dollars.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 26, 2014, 07:20:12 PM
This is the website for the Chinese QEG group. Like the all western images of people. The website design is ultra modern and very slick. This is a startup and the QEG is there 1st product. I wonder if they to will start selling shares to the general public?

http://omegaquantum.com/ (http://omegaquantum.com/)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on September 26, 2014, 09:35:10 PM
Honestly there is no need to pander to Joe's navel gazing and renewable energy stream of consciousness musings.  The business about the potential energy in a dam is is just a diversion to make the thread seem more "consciousness friendly."  It's nonsense that he could have looked up himself without needing anybody's help.  He can also look up how the sun produces energy, there is no need to discuss that here.

Joel keeps referring to QEG in his posts and nobody has given him a mathematical analysis of one of his examples.
But I see it displeases you, so all right then, I'll keep it to myself.

And unless the GoFundMe fraud case involves any reference to OU.com, I won't bother you with that either.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 26, 2014, 10:14:48 PM
Joel keeps referring to QEG in his posts and nobody has given him a mathematical analysis of one of his examples.
But I see it displeases you, so all right then, I'll keep it to myself.

And unless the GoFundMe fraud case involves any reference to OU.com, I won't bother you with that either.
Yeah please do not encourage the guy. He's a fool!. Can we keep this about the QEG. There is pretty serious stuff going down at the moment.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 26, 2014, 10:18:21 PM
@MH It occurs to me that the guys in China must be paying consulting fees to FTW. These were pretty hefty if I recall.  Also is there a license fee?

Perhaps TK you should send the guys in China an email, you are very lucid on the whole technical set of issues. Also, because they are so far behind the work of TK and FarmHand, they have not even gotten as far as I can tell to trying to tap in to the reactive power in the primary, only to very quickly see it vanish as a real load is applied. These folks are really operating completely behind closed doors at the moment. I've got to believe a sense of panic has started to set in. There is still stone silence on the Hungary video.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 27, 2014, 02:39:43 AM
I usually suck at math but the answer to Joel's question about the dam was easily obtained by me after only 10 minutes of calculations.

The answer is:

42


Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 27, 2014, 04:13:36 AM
I usually suck at math but the answer to Joel's question about the dam was easily obtained by me after only 10 minutes of calculations.

The answer is:

42


Bill
My kid's calculator seemed to have that number permanently fixed in the display.  I thought it might be bad batteries.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 27, 2014, 05:16:04 AM
Strange... I saw a couple of white mice watching me at the computer the other day!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 27, 2014, 06:28:50 AM
Strange... I saw a couple of white mice watching me at the computer the other day!
Were they unusually fond of dolphins?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 27, 2014, 06:59:31 AM
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I am not claiming to be a "so called smart person", but at 5pm EST on Sep 26th 2014, I will hit "Post" with my answer to your question - detailing the inputs and outputs and sources.

I consider myself not stupid and not know-it-all, I have an open mind with limits. If I consider myself as if I know EVERYTHING then I miss out on the things that are yet to be leaned, if I consider myself as a stupid person then I miss out on the things yet to learn...it is all SIMPLE stuff. It's just that some people get there faster than others. AT the end of the day, everyones purpose it to go past the finish line....does not matter what the finish line is....what matters is remembering and avoiding road blocks.

I would really like to see your mathematical equations showing that the energy that goes in is the same that goes out. Thanks.

Also can you do the math how a man made magnet HOLDS it's magnetism for decades after being zapped by high currents? What i mean is whats the ratio between high current input VS the magnetic ENERGY longevity. For example, How much current does it take to zap a $3000 dollar magnet and how long with the magnetic ENERGY will last in the material?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 27, 2014, 07:40:25 AM
@Joel
http://water.usgs.gov/edu/watercyclesummary.html
http://water.usgs.gov/edu/hyhowworks.html
http://www.nwrfc.noaa.gov/info/water_cycle/hydrology.cgi
For the math:
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/12/how-much-dam-energy-can-we-get/
http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/11/pump-up-the-storage/

or search for ourselve with google and  word like: "electric dam math "
good reading

Yeah I can understand that, BUT, it still does not show the ratio between input VS output....where is the math regarding every human requirements of energy? You know you and me are batteries that require energy too....i understand that if the hoover dam was gone the math would still make sense....the equations to how many people it is helping is over the power it gives out on the turbines alone....but then you have to think about the FREE ENERGY than Nikola Tesla obtained...what made him soooooo different than the others? What type of energy what this....the hoover dam was not even important to him because he could have made one from any river source....that is simple...

So all the math is simplistically said as follows...the higher we stop the water, the higher the pressure at the bottom of the river is? With regarding the walls of the canyon. DUH!!! that is pretty simple. Is like a flood...as the water rises it has more FREEE energy...the object that holds it back can use that energy...but the energy that comes out is higher than the energy that is put in. The equal and opposite reaction is false...because if i'm going 60MPH and crash VS a tree...i'm pretty sure the reaction would be less aware. Take for example when someone scares you...the action of scaring you is intentional...your reaction is of fear....lol = not equal.

So the hoover dam energy cannot be less than it's output....since it's fueled by the GALAXY huge amount of energy....look at the sun!!! copare it to a camp fire? Where the sun (galaxy) is fuiling it....it's a domino effect...WHEN THE INPUT IS THE SAME AS THE OUTPUT (cancel out?)>>>no evolution!!! THE INPUT HAS TO BE LESS THAN THE OUTPUT=EVOLUTION!!! Period.

Looking at it from a different ANGLE, how much energy did you need to make love to a female when a new born was made....maybe 2-3 minutes? and you made a replica (sort to speak) of yourself that will live for 100 years (give or take). Do you see what just occurred there....let me exaggerate and say that you made love to a woman for 2 hours.....to make a child that will live for 100yrs? is not that little input and more output....and i'm not even considering an alpha male....where an alpha male can have  with 10 females a months reproducing all over the place???? SIMPLE!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 27, 2014, 07:56:50 AM
Joel, if you don't want to talk about the TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, why don't you just start your own thread on whatever topic you desire? And then see how many people join you for your discussion.

Meanwhile, those who are interested in the history of the QEG might like to take a look at this:
http://www.greenenergyinvestors.com/index.php?showtopic=18939&page=1
Read all the way through, it's only 12 pages or so. Note that Kevin and his partner show up in the chats, and that they knew back in April, May and June that no QEG anywhere had ever self run or produced real OU output power.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 27, 2014, 08:11:29 AM
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Joel, if you don't want to talk about the TOPIC OF THIS THREAD, why don't you just start your own thread on whatever topic you desire? And then see how many people join you for your discussion.

WOW, your answer requires very little energy...sorry bro, is all EVOLUTION lol Did you feed you cats yet bro?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 27, 2014, 08:18:26 AM
@MH It occurs to me that the guys in China must be paying consulting fees to FTW. These were pretty hefty if I recall.  Also is there a license fee?

Perhaps TK you should send the guys in China an email, you are very lucid on the whole technical set of issues. Also, because they are so far behind the work of TK and FarmHand, they have not even gotten as far as I can tell to trying to tap in to the reactive power in the primary, only to very quickly see it vanish as a real load is applied. These folks are really operating completely behind closed doors at the moment. I've got to believe a sense of panic has started to set in. There is still stone silence on the Hungary video.

My work is fully documented and repeatable by anyone who has the time and a few dollars worth of garage sale test equipment. If the Chinese people want my help they certainly are welcome to ask for it. I'm getting pretty bitter about this whole thing, though. How can you deal with people like Kevin Blundell who simply lie, and when they are called on it, just censor all dissent and start calling names, instead of addressing the issues?

Fact: HopeGirl (Naima Feagin) and her mother Naitcheval (Valerie) Robitai/Robitaille have been involved with the criminal OPPT organization, and this is the source of the Morocco connection.
Fact: James Robitaille never achieved self running, never achieved any REAL ou, just "OU in VARs" with the early prototype.
Fact: They repeatedly claimed to have a running device and have even said that other builds, like Morocco etc. are "working" or "running". But this is a lie, no QEG anywhere has ever "ran" at all. They have always been driven by a big motor drawing more power from the mains than the entire device puts out to a real load. Always. Not self running, not even running at all.

Operating as a _driven_ variable reluctance oscillator is not "running" or "working". To see what a WORKING QEG should be, simply look at the FAQs on the Be-Do Forum, which are also in the Plans on Page 34-35. A WORKING QEG can be disconnected from the mains and will run itself once it is run up to resonance. A WORKING QEG will produce 10 kW out for 1 kW in. There are NO working QEGs and there never have been, and there is absolutely no reason to believe that there ever will be one!

And Kevin Blundell knew all of this back in April, May, June....  didn't you Kevin? See the link I posted above, if you've forgotten your Skype conversations.

So what's the use of me emailing China? The very fact that they even started the project at all means that they are gullible fools who either haven't done their homework at all and totally believe the lies, or they are True Believers who don't even care that the original claims were false. In either case they aren't going to be receptive to what I can tell them. After all I've been telling everybody who will listen, the same things since July!

Oh... and whatever happened to the 400 Hz and the 1.3 MHz? No QEG for which I have seen data resonates at 400 Hz. And we know what happened to the 1.3 MHz, that was specified as necessary and justified and even calculated .... suddenly it became 7 MHz without any explanation at all.  Will Kevin Blundell's QEG resonate at 400 Hz and use a 1.3 MHz exciter system as originally specified?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 27, 2014, 08:19:06 AM
WOW, your answer requires very little energy...sorry bro, is all EVOLUTION lol Did you feed you cats yet bro?

You got one thing right: You are sorry.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 27, 2014, 08:28:50 AM
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You got one thing right: You are sorry.

Do you understand the purpose of violence? Does not matter if it's with words or physical! Now do you understand what science is? OK!.

REGARDING THE “QEG”...How many minutes did it take you to impregnate a woman? And the end result is a baby that will like for 100 yrs old? Give me the math of that? Simple shyt man!

Explain to me how can a male impregnate a female from 1-30 nimutes and then the human female gives birth after 9 months than the baby can live for 100 years?

Consider you put in 30 minutes to create life that will last for decades? = little input = greater output....or am I wrong?

Is not what the QEG is, little input greater output?

As a matter of FACT 1 is the FATHER of the number 2...as of the number 9!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on September 27, 2014, 12:37:38 PM
I consider myself not stupid and not know-it-all, I have an open mind with limits. If I consider myself as if I know EVERYTHING then I miss out on the things that are yet to be leaned, if I consider myself as a stupid person then I miss out on the things yet to learn...it is all SIMPLE stuff. It's just that some people get there faster than others. AT the end of the day, everyones purpose it to go past the finish line....does not matter what the finish line is....what matters is remembering and avoiding road blocks.

I would really like to see your mathematical equations showing that the energy that goes in is the same that goes out. Thanks.

Also can you do the math how a man made magnet HOLDS it's magnetism for decades after being zapped by high currents? What i mean is whats the ratio between high current input VS the magnetic ENERGY longevity. For example, How much current does it take to zap a $3000 dollar magnet and how long with the magnetic ENERGY will last in the material?
Joe, could you please do the math to show how gold HOLDS its color for decades without being zapped at all?  What I mean is what is the ratio between the weight of the gold bar versus the color longevity.  This will be equally germane as your requests.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 27, 2014, 07:44:32 PM
I don't think Joel speaks "germane". He has enough trouble with plain English. It's funny that he should speak of impregnating a woman... since it's the people who fell for a woman's lies who are getting screwed.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 28, 2014, 01:08:46 AM
Interesting comment from the the user "Uatu" on the German forum.  I am pasting the Google Translate link:

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-22&sandbox=0&usg=ALkJrhjhSGJR0DDKbJaGvYTvrSlSezGplw

The comment made on September 23, 2014:

<<<
nocheinPoet (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sandbox=0&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.allmystery.de/themen/gw110428-22&usg=ALkJrhjRixHnssK6uV-jLRVbgpbdV6lBsA#id12965971) : The story is over.  Almost all global discussions on have come to a standstill.  A few Canadians (https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sandbox=0&sl=auto&tl=en&u=https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC&usg=ALkJrhjMHg6kB9ztqqzYohLf4CtNp_7jCA) are still tinkering, are nearing an executable assembly.  Once they realize that they like everyone else, at best, get out about 30% efficiency out of the thing, they are probably very quickly lose interest.  For German-speaking someone at qeg-forum.de has about a half weeks ago about once asked: what happens even to QEG? (http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sandbox=0&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://qeg-forum.de/index.php%3Ftopic%3D232.0&usg=ALkJrhjy1O_6hNIgocDohT0QVEC6ksDtmg) .  Supposedly it is supposed to "400 associates, 35 groups and 50 prototypes" have given to the best of times.  Apparently, all of which disappeared into thin air.  Only GAIA held unwaveringly workshops QEG,.)

  It amazes me that it is not already come to dispute because of the 3000-US $ Cores.  It may of course be that since some runs in the background.
>>>

Another interesting little tidbit from Abandon all Hope Girl about her mother:

<<<
My mom and QEG team member Naicheval Robitai (https://www.facebook.com/naicheval.robitai) just started her own health blog.  I am so proud to see her putting all of her years of amazing health and nutrition experience to work. She's helped a lot of people including me to live healthier and is a mountain of knowledge. Please visit and subscribe to her blog today for the latest on healing information!  Much love to all those who are helping to Fix Our World.
>>>

That means if you are so inclined, you can leave good old Val a message on her blog.  There is a chance your message will even get back to Jamie and Naima.

http://blessedhealth2013.com/about-2/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 28, 2014, 03:53:55 AM
Really? Ask her about _this_ then:

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 28, 2014, 05:15:16 AM
I consider myself not stupid and not know-it-all, I have an open mind with limits. If I consider myself as if I know EVERYTHING then I miss out on the things that are yet to be leaned, if I consider myself as a stupid person then I miss out on the things yet to learn...it is all SIMPLE stuff. It's just that some people get there faster than others. AT the end of the day, everyones purpose it to go past the finish line....does not matter what the finish line is....what matters is remembering and avoiding road blocks.

I would really like to see your mathematical equations showing that the energy that goes in is the same that goes out. Thanks.

Also can you do the math how a man made magnet HOLDS it's magnetism for decades after being zapped by high currents? What i mean is whats the ratio between high current input VS the magnetic ENERGY longevity. For example, How much current does it take to zap a $3000 dollar magnet and how long with the magnetic ENERGY will last in the material?
Joel I have something for you to think about and its going to drive you even more batty than you are already, especially since I know the answer and you will likely never know the answer.  Here is my question to you. Why does a magnet not fall off your refrigerator door? How is it possible to hang an object from that magnet and the object just stays there defying gravity.  Are magnets QEGs. Do they draw energy from from some quantum realm. Are they portals for that energy, which then flows into the object hanging from it so that that object might defy the force of gravity? How much energy does the magnet use to hold onto the object? Surely the magnet must run out of energy at some point.  How long can an object defy the force of gravity? Not forever surely.

Oh and here is the answer to your DAMN question: http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/12/how-much-dam-energy-can-we-get/ (http://physics.ucsd.edu/do-the-math/2011/12/how-much-dam-energy-can-we-get/)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 28, 2014, 05:43:19 AM
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Joe, could you please do the math to show how gold HOLDS its color for decades without being zapped at all?  What I mean is what is the ratio between the weight of the gold bar versus the color longevity.  This will be equally germane as your requests.

Well i'm pretty sure gold color fades after a while like the light fades and cannot light up the dark spaces in the galaxy. Like the paint in your car and then you need a new paint job...like when you go outside for long periods of time and you get a skin tan then you stay mostly indoors and the effects of the sun to the skin fades....

I don't understand! Dogs don't see gold color and other animals too...gold is just value given by socialism. Which I understand but it is not the way of life....imagine you are alone in an island with 40 million gold bars...how long will you survive?

Can you make the question more simple for a simple man?

BTW, I'm not a mathematician...I did great in geometry though. Which I feel the world is all geometrical and not math...111111111=9...........000000000=0=nothing...whut? 1X1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1 (infinity)=1 whut? lol

1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1=9
0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0+0=9+0 - 9+0...WTF! Does not make any sense in my brain...

nothing (0) + nothing + nothing + nothing + nothing + nothing + nothing + nothing + nothing + nothing + nothing = nothing (0).

1 with 3 nothings = 1000 (but yet it has 3 zeros after the 1)

what about -0+-0+-0+-0+-0+-0+-0+-0+-0=-0 negative nothing...WTF! does that mean?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 28, 2014, 05:58:00 AM
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....since it's the people who fell for a woman's lies who are getting screwed.

LOL projecting some shyt.

Sorry but I found that funny...alpha males is the other way around...that's why we have feminism and females objecting to make a sandwich in the kitchen....lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 28, 2014, 06:39:10 AM
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Why does a magnet not fall off your refrigerator door?

Why is the earth, or any other planet, hanging in the refrigerator “door” of space?

Magnets are geometrical and have geometrical forces. It is this geometry that makes them hold the FREE energy. Forget about magnets because everything is a magnet....it is just that magnets makes it more obvious for us to see the truth. Water is magnetic, light is magnetic, air is magnetic, thought are magnetic...yes I said thought waves...the thinking....insulators are magnetic....when you walk over a carpet and touch a metal part you feel the spark of the FREE gathered energy. The same happens with you touch an insulator like plastic but the electric exchange is so little that your body does not feel the pain.

Please tell me why is the galaxy weighing billionsx10 (made up number, can't put the galaxy on a scale) pounds floating in the air door refrigerator?

I don't understand your question.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: raburgeson on September 28, 2014, 07:51:39 AM
Free energy would be nice. One of the best stepping stones is overunity. Overunity doesn't require it should be totally free. To be able to use a small amount of energy to capture a great deal of energy is the idea behind overunity. There is energy all around us that is not used. There is a potential difference between at ground and 100 feet above ground that is not used. Also strides in efficiency are good to note, like the 300 mile per gallon car. Good for your wallet, good for lowering pollution, and good for conservation it would enable you to say goodbye to the carbon tax. What we strive to do in here is see that the advancements are not placed on a shelf and make it to market. Never give up looking for a better future.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 29, 2014, 03:49:09 AM
@TK

This was posted earlier in the month, but I only just saw it.  http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/qeg-general-topics/580-solid-state-qeg (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/qeg-general-topics/580-solid-state-qeg)

(http://be-do.com/images/FORUM/parametric_oscillator.jpg (http://be-do.com/images/FORUM/parametric_oscillator.jpg))

I have no idea what they are doing over there. China seems to have taken over since Jamie went dark. Only one or two post a day. China activity represents the top five most active threads for what it's worth. Let's see they were going to have a self running device end of August, now end of Sept. That Hungary video has not drawn a single comment.
 
China mini QEG: (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/20140924_110843.jpg (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/20140924_110843.jpg))
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on September 29, 2014, 04:31:41 AM
Other than the pattern M.O. of "at the end of the month", I knew dolla dolla bill girl would be coming out with a blog update when I seen one of her usual suspects updated their youtube account.  Same old posting of old updates over at AltherisSpiritEnergy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNYPdt6fWtQ

When you see the elk come out with old videos you can use that as a leading indicator Hope will be posting within 24 hours.  Low and behold http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/09/29/ftw-big-update-we-are-growing-and-moving-forward/

I was going to make a very good prediction but its not needed in this forum anymore.  We all know what she will say by now.
Still, honestly I have not read it yet, I will lay down the format.

Not withstanding the still elusive at large U.K. data report:
-A touch of big news.
-A dash of hang in there folks.  Just around the corner.  New bait added to the hook.
-A pinch of Tesla.
-A sprinkle of troll, cabal, suppression.
-A thick layer of new circuitry and the absolute ignoring of all circuitry prior.
-The final glaze and whip cream of CLICK TO DONATE.



Ok, back. 
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-Sixty QEG prototypes are now being built by teams around the world.
LOL.  And not 1 to show real overunity.  What is wrong sixty builds, you not know how to film and upload to a website?




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On a more personal note, James and his wife Valerie are losing their home in Pennsylvania.
There you have it.  This new intel and the mentioning before about demoing the qeg at a fund raiser to help someone else with home cost shows the root incentive behind this scam.

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So the QEG project continues to move forward, FTW is working on it, 60 teams around the world are working on it and we are getting closer every day. The QEG already works and has been shown to work by a group of engineers who will not release the technology.
If works yet 60 teams are still working on it.  Can you say CONTRADICTION?  Would WITTS be that group holding back the forbidden fruit?


LOL!!!  Now they moved over to fundrazr https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3?  People starting posting questionable questions at their other funding sites so FTW removed the comments, closed shop, and then said paypal only.  Now lookie here.  Back at it again moving the goal post.  Wonder how long till they are cracked down on fundrazr before they move shop again.  And the same M.O.  Asking for flight cost, lodging, and test equipment that for some strange reason appears to vanish after 30 days over and over and over.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 29, 2014, 05:16:28 AM
Another round of begging.  How about that?

I don't believe the number is 60 for a second.  I will guess less than 20-25 serious builds going on around the world.  For example, the German guy said that there is only one serious build going on in Germany.

For the "Altheris Spirit Energy" guy, I made a posting on the YouTube clip.  I assume that it will be vaporized as soon as he reads it so I screen capped it!

The bottom line about Naima Feagin, in my opinion, is that she lies so much that it has become an integral part of her public persona.  It's just automatic.  Somewhere between a compulsive and pathological liar, in my opinion.  It's a grotesque display of the dark and disturbing underbelly to pious fraud.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 29, 2014, 05:31:31 AM
@TK

This was posted earlier in the month, but I only just saw it.  http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/qeg-general-topics/580-solid-state-qeg (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/qeg-general-topics/580-solid-state-qeg)

(http://be-do.com/images/FORUM/parametric_oscillator.jpg (http://be-do.com/images/FORUM/parametric_oscillator.jpg))

I have no idea what they are doing over there. China seems to have taken over since Jamie went dark. Only one or two post a day. China activity represents the top five most active threads for what it's worth. Let's see they were going to have a self running device end of August, now end of Sept. That Hungary video has not drawn a single comment.
 
China mini QEG: (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/20140924_110843.jpg (http://be-do.com/media/kunena/attachments/392/20140924_110843.jpg))

Heh... yes, I saw that "parametric oscillator" a few days ago.  I think they are just using a simulator so far though, and it sounds like the person working on it is kind of "over his head" as far as practical electronics is concerned. I suppose those people must be totally unaware of my work. That circuit will do pretty much the same thing as my microQEG circuit will, but at a much lower frequency, with a few more components, and a lot less efficiently. I doubt if it could be used for effective wireless power transmission but if you could wind some air-core inductors with 470 microHenries of inductance and position them properly it might. But basically it is the same type of circuit, a self-resonating multivibrator kind of thing.

Why they think they need 6.8 volt 50 watt zeners in TO-3 cases... whoowee. I just checked and my favorite cheap Chinese supplier sells the 1n2804 Zener, TO-3, for... 20 dollars. Each. That alone is more than my entire microQEG circuit cost. And the 1n1183 is a 50 volt, 35 amp stud diode (DO-203AB) and costs 4 to 8 dollars apiece depending on supplier. So just the diodes alone in that circuit will cost you 50 dollars.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 29, 2014, 05:53:05 AM
Other than the pattern M.O. of "at the end of the month", I knew dolla dolla bill girl would be coming out with a blog update when I seen one of her usual suspects updated their youtube account.  Same old posting of old updates over at AltherisSpiritEnergy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNYPdt6fWtQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNYPdt6fWtQ)

When you see the elk come out with old videos you can use that as a leading indicator Hope will be posting within 24 hours.  Low and behold http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/09/29/ftw-big-update-we-are-growing-and-moving-forward/ (http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/09/29/ftw-big-update-we-are-growing-and-moving-forward/)

I was going to make a very good prediction but its not needed in this forum anymore.  We all know what she will say by now.
Still, honestly I have not read it yet, I will lay down the format.

Not withstanding the still elusive at large U.K. data report:
-A touch of big news.
-A dash of hang in there folks.  Just around the corner.  New bait added to the hook.
-A pinch of Tesla.
-A sprinkle of troll, cabal, suppression.
-A thick layer of new circuitry and the absolute ignoring of all circuitry prior.
-The final glaze and whip cream of CLICK TO DONATE.



Ok, back.  LOL.  And not 1 to show real overunity.  What is wrong sixty builds, you not know how to film and upload to a website?



There you have it.  This new intel and the mentioning before about demoing the qeg at a fund raiser to help someone else with home cost shows the root incentive behind this scam.
If works yet 60 teams are still working on it.  Can you say CONTRADICTION?  Would WITTS be that group holding back the forbidden fruit?


LOL!!!  Now they moved over to fundrazr https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3? (https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3?)  People starting posting questionable questions at their other funding sites so FTW removed the comments, closed shop, and then said paypal only.  Now lookie here.  Back at it again moving the goal post.  Wonder how long till they are cracked down on fundrazr before they move shop again.  And the same M.O.  Asking for flight cost, lodging, and test equipment that for some strange reason appears to vanish after 30 days over and over and over.

That last part is amazing. They want donations to move to and get set up in Morocco... where their friends the remnants of the criminal OPPT are already located. And the story of losing their home... no doubt because they are not paying their mortgage debts since they believe in the whole OPPT scam thing. They seem to be asking "fundrazr" to help them flee, ahead of creditors and the law, like Heather Tucc-Jarraf!!

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_People%27s_Public_Trust
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 29, 2014, 06:13:03 AM
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That circuit will do pretty much the same thing as my microQEG circuit will, but at a much lower frequency

So basically what you are saying is that QEG's do work?


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 29, 2014, 06:59:34 AM
So basically what you are saying is that QEG's do work?

Is that what I'm saying, basically?

Have you even bothered to read this thread? Have you watched my microQEG playlist, from start to finish?

Is English your first language?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 29, 2014, 07:12:26 AM
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Is that what I'm saying, basically?

Yes! You built a microQEG?

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Have you even bothered to read this thread? Have you watched my microQEG playlist, from start to finish?

I'm a newbie and when you call your “invention” microQEG I only expect to see a miniQEG. Can you blame me?

 
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Is English your first language?

of course. I'm a latino guy.

If you rename your microQEG another name will it function differently?

How much input goes in and how much goes out in percentages in your micro device?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 29, 2014, 07:42:38 AM
Yes! You built a microQEG?

I'm a newbie and when you call your “invention” microQEG I only expect to see a miniQEG. Can you blame me?

 
of course. I'm a latino guy.

If you rename your microQEG another name will it function differently?

How much input goes in and how much goes out in percentages in your micro device?

Do your homework before trying to participate in a discussion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 29, 2014, 12:27:12 PM
Wow, look I found some anti-fan art online!  Make this go viral peeps!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on September 29, 2014, 01:28:59 PM
LOL!!!  Now they moved over to fundrazr https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3? (https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3?)  People starting posting questionable questions at their other funding sites so FTW removed the comments, closed shop, and then said paypal only.  Now lookie here.  Back at it again moving the goal post.  Wonder how long till they are cracked down on fundrazr before they move shop again.  And the same M.O.  Asking for flight cost, lodging, and test equipment that for some strange reason appears to vanish after 30 days over and over and over.
This has got to be about funding the OPPT:

Quote
$5,000 - FTW Moroccan Business Entity Formation: Includes Bookeeping and legal fees for one year.
$2,000 - FTW Office space in Tangier Morocco, Rent for one year. (required for business start up)
$5,000 - Airfare to fly two FTW council members to Morocco for business start up
@TK I see you have already highlighted this fact.  Given bedo's interest in a solid state QEG and its similarity to your circut, I'd like to post your work on Be-do, along with the videos showing the challenges associate with measuring reactive power. Put the cat among the pigeons so to speak.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 29, 2014, 09:25:49 PM
One can suspect that the attached screen cap from the new crowd funding page is a shill posting made by FTW to drum up business.

Hey!  How about that!  I get to call someone a shill as opposed to me being called a shill!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 30, 2014, 01:08:01 AM
One can suspect that the attached screen cap from the new crowd funding page is a shill posting made by FTW to drum up business.

Hey!  How about that!  I get to call someone a shill as opposed to me being called a shill!
Hey, make the absolute minimum donation and tell them it's for their bail-bond fund, legal defense team or something.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 30, 2014, 01:12:06 AM
This has got to be about funding the OPPT:
@TK I see you have already highlighted this fact.  Given bedo's interest in a solid state QEG and its similarity to your circut, I'd like to post your work on Be-do, along with the videos showing the challenges associate with measuring reactive power. Put the cat among the pigeons so to speak.
Oh, feel free, you don't need to ask my permission. My stuff is genuinely "open source". Somehow I thought you or someone already had done so and they censored it.

I'd build their circuit and demonstrate it myself but sheesh... I don't think I've ever built anything that specified a 50 Watt Zener before. And you know what happens when I make component substitutions....

 :o ::) 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on September 30, 2014, 03:00:00 AM
Quote from: TinselKoala (TinKoa)
...

I'd build their circuit and demonstrate it myself but sheesh... I don't think I've ever built anything that specified a 50 Watt Zener before. And you know what happens when I make component substitutions....

 :o ::) 8)

Ah yes, "component substitutions."

That is indeed music to one's ears.  Reasoned substitutions
of course.  Well thought out.

It is an incredibly exciting way to learn.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on September 30, 2014, 03:14:29 AM
This exactly why I have encouraged TK to offer kits that would take out substitutions and variations of parts used.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 30, 2014, 04:00:17 AM
This exactly why I have encouraged TK to offer kits that would take out substitutions and variations of parts used.

I agree.  This would indeed help get the word out that TK's micro does everything that the Save Your Ass people claims that theirs does as far as measurements are concerned. (OU in VARs)  TK could make some money here and man, won't those folks who payed like $3,000 for their cores be pissed when someone from the China or Canada group buys a TK kit for under $100.00 that gives the same results?  If he sold enough kits, and I believe he will, TK could afford a cheeseburger and, possibly, some fries as well.

Hey, here is another idea too.....we could all chip in a little bit and have TK build one of his devices and send that to one of the groups for free so they can test it for themselves.  This might start an implosion in this stupid movement before even more folks get ripped off.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 30, 2014, 08:51:58 AM
Gosh fellows... I'm pleased that you are thinking of me and my need for a cheezburger now and then. But seriously... it's a handful of parts! You could probably get everything you need for free from the guts of an old PC power supply, except the capacitor stack maybe. I just wouldn't feel right trying to sell one or a kit. But if someone else wants to do it, you have my blessing, and I'll help by writing text, etc.

The component values aren't critical. It is actually pretty amazing how forgiving this circuit is. If you make a big mistake you can literally blow mosfets apart as all the stored energy is released at once, but barring that, the same circuit with component substitutions can be a flyback driver, wireless power transmitter, induction heater, Gegene experiment, etc etc.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 30, 2014, 09:13:05 AM
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Do your homework before trying to participate in a discussion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk   


Your work is not the same as a hopegirl QEG since it have no spinning motors. I literaly see your work as a wireless volt meter checker or as a constant STATIC electricity generator. You know when you comb your hair over and over again and electricity is being generated where you can even hear the crackle of the little sparks.

This is not a miniQEG.... this is something else.

If you think about the sun, it's a sustained power plant for millions of years right? NO motors, NO capacitors (well human made anyways) but yet IT IS “BURNING” right? Or no?

Then you have to think about how the SUN was made with no batteries ONLY by IT'S SURROUNDINGS – no wires, no man made power supply etc etc etc....

The over unity does not matter....the sun is gathering all of this FREEE energy from the galaxy rivers....there is FREEE energy all over the place....you just have to gather it....lol...120V/240V AC is nothing compared to the FREEE energy.

I don't know why “they” decided to make it 120V AC why not 40V AC …either way....if you consider the big bang, this space “.” created the energy for the universe....IOW, this dot “.” had enough FREEE energy to create the universe based on math...right?

So we can conclude that a dot “.” has shyt load of energy that one can tap too easily!!

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on September 30, 2014, 01:54:11 PM
I used you video TK
I hope that is OK



http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/


Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on September 30, 2014, 02:42:55 PM



 Joel,
      just look at it this way, variac, variable speed motor, drive belt, bearings, heat,
  air resistance and sound and I'd guess that's about a third of your energy straight
  down the drain.
     Looks as if solid state has got to be a winner!
   If something could help the deprived people of the world study some of the things
   Mark Dansie has put on his revolution green site.
      A competent electro mechanical engineer would be able to calculate the performance
   of a motor-generator to within a few percent, why waste resources building the silly
   things?
       For something like this to work the rules as we know them would have to be greatly
   altered,
              warmest regards John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 30, 2014, 09:15:23 PM
How dead is the QEG and the Be-Do forum?

After 5 full days the posting showing the video from the Hungarian criminal gang has had only 64 views and zero comments.

Be-Do is actually Be-Do-Nothing.

You Be-Do forum moderators that are reading here, don't you have a sinking feeling in the pits of your stomachs?  Don't you feel uncomfortable and awkward facilitating this fraud considering they just started another campaign to beg for another $22,000 so they can take flight from the United States and hide away in Morocco?  Chances are they have put away quite a bit of that crowd funding money and all of the below-the-radar PayPal money.

Assuming the cost of living is very low in Morocco it's possible that the gang, Naima, Val, and Jamie, could live off of the money for several years doing nothing except lazing around and soaking up the sun and dreaming up new crowd funding schemes.

You Be-Do moderators out there, your moral compasses are messed up.  You started out as gullible and naive FTW "soldiers" censoring postings thinking that you were doing the right thing.  Now look at yourselves, you are nothing but hapless dupes facilitating criminality and you realize that the physical QEG is nothing more than a useless stage prop.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 01, 2014, 01:32:28 AM
How dead is the QEG and the Be-Do forum?

After 5 full days the posting showing the video from the Hungarian criminal gang has had only 64 views and zero comments.

Be-Do is actually Be-Do-Nothing.

You Be-Do forum moderators that are reading here, don't you have a sinking feeling in the pits of your stomachs?  Don't you feel uncomfortable and awkward facilitating this fraud considering they just started another campaign to beg for another $22,000 so they can take flight from the United States and hide away in Morocco?  Chances are they have put away quite a bit of that crowd funding money and all of the below-the-radar PayPal money.

Assuming the cost of living is very low in Morocco it's possible that the gang, Naima, Val, and Jamie, could live off of the money for several years doing nothing except lazing around and soaking up the sun and dreaming up new crowd funding schemes.

You Be-Do moderators out there, your moral compasses are messed up.  You started out as gullible and naive FTW "soldiers" censoring postings thinking that you were doing the right thing.  Now look at yourselves, you are nothing but hapless dupes facilitating criminality and you realize that the physical QEG is nothing more than a useless stage prop.
My be-do posting is number six on the list of most recent. So after five days the level of activity is so low that I'm still near the top. The QEG is dead may indeed be true. As far as I can tell there has been nothing from Jamie in over two months. I think the whole family is doing a runner to Morocco, once their house is foreclosed. Shean, who ever he is, will be left holding the bag. There is some latent activity in China and Canada, but once they get to resonance nothing more will be heard from them any further, just like South Africa. Who wants to admit they have been duped and be out of pocket $10k+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 01, 2014, 05:49:48 AM
I used you video TK
I hope that is OK



http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/ (http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/)


Kind Regards
Mark

Yes, of course. I am happy that you find my stuff useful; consider this blanket permission to use any of it you like.

I'm glad to hear from you, I hope you and the family are well, dry and happy.
There have been some big changes around here.
My email is all screwed up too.
Cheers-
--TK
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 01, 2014, 06:35:17 AM
Quote
just look at it this way, variac, variable speed motor, drive belt, bearings, heat,
  air resistance and sound and I'd guess that's about a third of your energy straight
  down the drain.

Just look at it this way, water fuels your car, air and batteries fuel your house, vegetables and meat fuel your body. Electricity fuels the whole universe.

Quote
Looks as if solid state has got to be a winner!

That kind of sounds like you are still using “solid state” items to milk the energy from the source. There has to be motion ALWAYS....there cannot be energy gathered with out motion. So a STATIC device cannot move to get free energy...ity has to move. So that means, ALL static devices will never work. The electricity moves in the electric components?

Quote
If something could help the deprived people of the world study some of the things
   Mark Dansie has put on his revolution green site.
      A competent electro mechanical engineer would be able to calculate the performance
   of a motor-generator to within a few percent, why waste resources building the silly
   things?

You see there is this thing called greed. I remember I mentioned that the difference between printing a one dollar bill and a 100 dollar bill is less than a dollar between the both. GREED blinds people from the real things to benefit society.

Still, you need to give energy back to the source to get energy. A solid state component is just a thief with out giving anything back. That is not how life works, you ALWAYS HAVE TO GIVE SOMETHING BACK. A printed circuit board is not giving out any movement where everything is moving like rivers.

Quote
For something like this to work the rules as we know them would have to be greatly
altered

You have to understand about “evolution” or to put it in another way, learning something new every day. You cannot tell me that everything has been figured out 100%? I read new break through mostly on an every week basis....just recently the army came out that they will fuel their boats with water in the future. And a lot of other things that you will be like WOW! And this is information for the public, imagine what is held back that “they” don't want others to copy their technology? You know about reverse engineering right? And you know about technology “evolving” every year.

QEGs are not far fetched....it is that we need to get a hold of the “big boys” that are already using it so we won't pay a premium for what it should be free. IOW, open source their technology for the greater good and not for the "big boys".

I already mentioned that WITTS may probably have been motivated by greed but that does not mean that the QEG does not work, it only means that hopegirl will find out that they where deceived....now they only need to modify the deception or just throw it all together in the trash....but then you have "the big boys" who may knock on their doors....then you are only left to either say yay or nay....and do some detective work. Show your face like she is doing, all of the nay sayers show your face like they are to make it an equal debate....why you hide and they don't? EASY! it is easy to talk shyt anonymously which kind of makes you less brave than they are...

If they flop, what have you accomplished and what have they accomplished?  More than you 100%.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on October 01, 2014, 09:41:02 AM
I never hide from anyone, My name is Mark Dansie and I work on energy projects (based on science) Hope girls is a scam artist and the women in Morocco still have to carry their water. A nice solar powered pump could have done the job for a fraction what has been blown on the QEG
If Tesla was alive he would sue for defamation

Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on October 01, 2014, 10:21:29 AM
@Joel321
"Quote
    Looks as if solid state has got to be a winner!
That kind of sounds like you are still using “solid state” items to milk the energy from the source. There has to be motion ALWAYS....there cannot be energy gathered with out motion. So a STATIC device cannot move to get free energy...ity has to move. So that means, ALL static devices will never work. The electricity moves in the electric components?
"
 - Yes electricity move "in" the electric components !
 - Yes, energy can be gathered without motion !
 - Yes static devices  works!

Where is movement in salar panel?
Where is movement in system who gather energy from heat, like generator with thermocouples heated by radioactivity?
(I used one in antartica to supply electicity at a standalone measurement station...)
  see: http://www.daviddarling.info/encyclopedia/T/Thomson_effect.html
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radioisotope_thermoelectric_generator

Why not use "google" a little before writing?

The QEG is just a bad electric generator with bad efficiency of 30% to 50% , some very bad designers and even vary bad testers. Everything is know from it!
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 01, 2014, 06:39:10 PM
Look, she is taking off along with Val and Jamie:

https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3? (https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3?)

So they are leaving to go to Morocco, possibly to be with the OPPT fraudsters.  There is no extradition treaty between Morocco and the United States.  How convenient.  My interpretation of "Mom, James and I say our goodbyes" is that all three of them are leaving.

They aren't even waiting for the new round of begging for $22,000 to come in.  Who knows, possibly they are sensing some heat and/or they are running away from the foreclosure on the house in Pennsylvania.

At one point Naima talked about "crowd funding to save my parent's house."  I am willing to bet that she got so much negative push-back on that one that she dropped it realizing that she was going too far.

So HopeGirl and her two cronies are taking flight, and they may never say another thing about the QEG.  Kevin Blundell and many many others end up holding the bag as they stare at their noisy $10,000 space heaters.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on October 01, 2014, 07:08:57 PM
Look, she is taking off along with Val and Jamie:

https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3? (https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/ab/5440C3?)


My reply comment will disappear soon enough

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 01, 2014, 10:02:31 PM
Funny I mentioned that I thought they were planning to do that the other night. Did not think it would come to pass quite so soon. Not a single word on be-do.com..News probably has not percolated too far yet. I'd like to ask her how one goes from everything is going great, going to have a self-running QEG by the end of August, to I'm having to leave the country in a hurry with parents to follow? The Russian (Hungary) video perhaps got to her, or she just new it was a matter of time before she got a knock on the door for her activities.
 
I've added a new items to the list

QEGam Fecit: A person who takes flight for QEGary, being forced to flee the land whist forfeiting their goods absolutely until pardoned.

QEGosphere: a hidden secrete area of Morocco where QEGsters and QEGists go to with their ill gotten gains.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on October 02, 2014, 02:00:10 AM
If the three stooges take flight then all the folks considering a class action should go after the gofund me site and the other fund
raising sites used, based on the fact that they have aided and abetted a crime, without them it would not have happened to many
so they hold a similar responsibility as the actual scammers. Gofund me and similar should hold some responsibility to check out
claims made to solicit funds, It's one thing for them to say they hold no legal responsibility and get people to sign waivers, but
that line of defence is weak at best, similar to the accountant of a criminal gang, the accountant does not participate in the actual crimes
of theft but is complicit by association and a lack of due diligence. They also profited from the QEG scam, without a doubt.

If they profit from a crime they are criminal as well.

The stooges should be tried in absentia and arrested on entering any country with an extradition treaty with the US. Also they
could have charges brought against them in Morocco itself as crimes were committed by them there and in the US at the same
time, not a bad feat of criminality for such a motley crew. I wasn't aware Morocco was a third world country, is there no mains
water and electricity in the towns there or something ? Many people live a good and fruitful life without electricity in many places,
the main problems causing poverty in most countries is corruption, chaos/war, and Big company abuses of land
(connected with corruption).

Most third world countries only need a lack of war and corruption for the people to be able to look after themselves well.

Solar panels won't help the poor folks if they get killed or displaced. What people need more than anything is for humans to
behave like humans and not soulless money gathering machines, always competing with each other to get and have more.

My prediction is that without any significant change in many area's of todays world  then the whole house of cards will collapse
and we will all be struggling to survive without law and order before probably 2030. Humanity itself is ill with a psychological
disorder. It's already topsy turvey world. The military industrial complex is almost taking over. eg. the U.S. is now blowing up
military equipment made by them and paid for by the tax payers (used by ISIS) and they are blowing them up with other
equipment and weapons made by the U.S. and paid for by the tax payers. How much does a cruise missile cost now ? 4 million
dollars each ? How much to fill the tank of a F18 and a full loadout of smart bombs ? The world has gone mad unfortunately.

The FTW scam is cookie crumbles in the big picture. But a scam is a scam and for the people directly affected it hurts.
..   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on October 02, 2014, 02:14:08 AM
If the three stooges take flight then all the folks considering a class action should go after the gofund me site and the other fund
raising sites used, based on the fact that they have aided and abetted a crime, without them it would not have happened to many
so they hold a similar responsibility as the actual scammers. Gofund me and similar should hold some responsibility to check out
claims made to solicit funds, It's one thing for them to say they hold no legal responsibility and get people to sign waivers, but
that line of defence is weak at best, similar to the accountant of a criminal gang, the accountant does not participate in the actual crimes
of theft but is complicit by association and a lack of due diligence. They also profited from the QEG scam, without a doubt.

If they profit from a crime they are criminal as well.

I have already gone after GoFundMe relating to QEG Canada. (I am not an Investor and do not know Kevin)
They are currently investigating my evidence (shared with a member here via PM).
I used the original QEG group and their various communications (including the Sterling Allen interview) as evidence.
If they come back and admit CEQ Canada Fraud, then via the evidence, they also acknowledge FTW QEG fraud.

If they come back with nothing, then I will be distributing my communicatins and their replys.

I am giving them one more business week.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 02, 2014, 02:57:44 AM

I wonder if Morocco has an extradition treaty with the US?  If not, they all may end up over there.

Bill

Well, I do believe I called this one on the 24th.  Not really that impressive considering we all knew which direction this scam was heading anyway.  I just liked that I picked Morocco and MileHigh has confirmed that there is no US extradition treaty with them.  Too bad their passports can not be blocked and then they could be arrested at the airport.  Karma will catch up with them I am sure.  You can't just pull this type of crap and get away free.  Time will tell.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 02, 2014, 03:54:40 AM
Well, I do believe I called this one on the 24th.  Not really that impressive considering we all knew which direction this scam was heading anyway.  I just liked that I picked Morocco and MileHigh has confirmed that there is no US extradition treaty with them.  Too bad their passports can not be blocked and then they could be arrested at the airport.  Karma will catch up with them I am sure.  You can't just pull this type of crap and get away free.  Time will tell.

Bill
Not that its a competition, but your calling it was in fact a response to my post that called it first.
Quote
Yes, they will march on like QEGings, and like lemmings they will be throwing themselves of off the cliff of despair is a couple of months. Else they will all be in Morocco with the rest of the OPPT having a good laugh.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 02, 2014, 04:47:17 AM
How dead is the QEG and the Be-Do forum?

After 5 full days the posting showing the video from the Hungarian criminal gang has had only 64 views and zero comments.

Be-Do is actually Be-Do-Nothing.

You Be-Do forum moderators that are reading here, don't you have a sinking feeling in the pits of your stomachs?  Don't you feel uncomfortable and awkward facilitating this fraud considering they just started another campaign to beg for another $22,000 so they can take flight from the United States and hide away in Morocco?  Chances are they have put away quite a bit of that crowd funding money and all of the below-the-radar PayPal money.

Assuming the cost of living is very low in Morocco it's possible that the gang, Naima, Val, and Jamie, could live off of the money for several years doing nothing except lazing around and soaking up the sun and dreaming up new crowd funding schemes.

You Be-Do moderators out there, your moral compasses are messed up.  You started out as gullible and naive FTW "soldiers" censoring postings thinking that you were doing the right thing.  Now look at yourselves, you are nothing but hapless dupes facilitating criminality and you realize that the physical QEG is nothing more than a useless stage prop.

Very well said.  Still, I give it a 0.01% chance a be-do member will step up and answer.  Shean is too busy be-do-censoring.  I notice each time PCB puts an very good argument over there, it goes untouched.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 02, 2014, 07:15:08 AM
Not that its a competition, but your calling it was in fact a response to my post that called it first.

100% correct.  OK, I claim that I called it 2nd, ha ha.


Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 02, 2014, 04:12:35 PM
http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/welcome-mat/590-qeg-generators-information
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 02, 2014, 09:38:17 PM
You have to laugh about the "free expression of ideas and open-sourcing" espoused by Naima and how it contrasts with the stifling Orwellian nightmare that the Be-Do forum is.

I will quote LightinDarkness from this link:  http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10010&sid=597a83db6a65954dcdb93809b1a119ac&start=160

<<<<
  So, to recap:

- This scam has garnered about $150,000 across multiple fund raising platforms, not including in-kind donations like free hotel stays that probably raises the total amount to $175,000 or more.

- As early as March of this year we were told the QEG would bring us free energy in mere weeks.

- At this point the people involved - including Hope Girl's parents - have flown around the world between America, Morocco, Taiwan, and Great Britain at least 3 times.

- Not one of "Fix The Worlds" projects has actually ever accomplished anything.

- Updates on the QEG "progress" have moved from telling us when we would get free energy to vague promises about work being done and how there are XX many QEG teams. All of whom, by the way, are paying Hope Girl's dad something like $300/hour in "consulting fees." I am not even counting all the money they have raking in on QEG scam fees in their total in my first point.

- So Hope Girl's dad is losing his house. This is the same house that supposedly $20k or so of the money donated went to "house upkeep" while they were flying around the world. So much for accurate accounting of where the money goes (HOW SURPRISING, REALLY), unless he happens to live in a mansion that costs more than $20k/year in upkeep.

- Now they want MORE MONEY to move the entire scam to Morocco. Where it will cost even more money to import parts for the QEG scam. I love how she tries to give business reasons for leaving the country, we all know the real reason is that she wants to hook up with the OPPT nuts so that she can move on to the next type of scam when this one runs out.

- Yet, still, idiots are donating. This truly shows you that as long as you tell people what they want to hear, they'll keep throwing money at you. If she fully funds this thing after nearly half a year of grifting people for over a hundred thousand dollars, then it will be a sad testament to human gullibility.

- Fix the World should be renamed Grift the World.   LightinDarkness (http://www.quatloos.com/Q-Forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=27485) >>>>>
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 03, 2014, 08:48:03 AM
http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/welcome-mat/590-qeg-generators-information (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/welcome-mat/590-qeg-generators-information)

Sound of crickets chirping.... what, nobody even has a working 10 kW proof of concept to show the man with the huge market? Awwwww......


But at least Jamie is still toiling away....

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=392910240862050

https://www.facebook.com/qegsouthafrica

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 03, 2014, 10:15:28 AM
What Is wrong with jamie and hope girl is that they are trying to benefit the world....they could be making millions with a good investor instead of asking for donations. Then after they make millions like bill gates, they should give back to the community...simple.

That plastic QEG walls don't even look stable for their thickness...they should be more thick. If one needs to get power from the FREEE energy, you have to build something that can handle the spin and the vibrations...it is all a matter of looking at the earth and universe experiences....one cannot disobey the universe...those thin plastic walls in the QEG will flex easy....if they are (WIITS) hoping to make a full working one, it needs more hard thinking in to it BUT i'm sure it will work....it's just hard to find those “out side the box” thinkers in a brainwashed world. IMO. (It is obvious by now that WITSS is 100% wrong)

Do I care if I get overunity? NOPE! Because I poses the knowledge to make money! Will a school teach you how to make money? Nope! They will only teach you if you pay them thousands of dollars and if you can pay them back....there goes EVOLUTION...a way of eliminating the weak. (or they say)

At any rate...I'm sure it can be done but it needs others to grow balls and step in to think hard...who will? None! Unless you are rich, but by then why would you care about the poor when you have millions of dollars?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on October 03, 2014, 10:43:05 AM



What's wrong with Jamie and hope girl is that the thing never has worked and
never will.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 03, 2014, 10:51:36 AM
Today I was outside watching the rain, the street lamps, and the way how air works. Moisture basically creates clouds, but it also creates lighting and thunder. SO I watch the rain fall down, then I see how the plants sag and I also see how the light rays in the lamp are more obvious....then I see the plants that the sun are not hitting them.

What I gathered from that is that a lot of people don't really understand how things work....and the beauty of understanding how things work, is that we benefit from it as a society with out GREED getting in the way.

It is all geometry! Everything bends around itself...like going in a vortex. The rain is falling down at an angle, light is being reflected at an angle, air is being reflected at an angle.....the difference is that light FADES and BENDS faster than the rest. But if you REALLY think about it, the “light” particles have to be moving faster than the speed of light to create LIGHT...so those particles are moving faster than the speed of light. How is the light created? AND THEN IF FADES!! 60WATT bulb and a 150WATT bulb? One shines farther than the other?

What does that mean? That there are particles moving faster than the speed of light!!!! period 100%.

Free energy is not even a big deal to me! The QEG is just trying to give the poor what the rich already own!!! Can you imagine how would you feel when you print money as you wish? Can you imagine saying that you own a galaxy? That is very childish and GREEDY, I say it first so it belongs to me! They cannot see air the reason why it is still free, i'm sure I can do some company that provides unpolluted air to the healthy conscious and I will make money...but I'm not that type of person. I only seek truth.

Hope girl and james could have stumbled on a WITTS “hopes”....but their energy is good...we need more of these people! If this QEG flops, the goal is to motivate a rich guy or army official to give you their QEG recipe....you army and rich guys should be motivated to show the findings!!! instead of having this nonsense debates. IMO>
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on October 03, 2014, 11:29:42 AM



 We don't need more of these people.
 Most of us have more energy than we need which our Sun is providing.
What we need is people who can devise a way of storing this abundant
resource to be available when it's needed .
  Electric storage batteries are wonderful things, the potential holds up
so most of the energy within can be easily utilised. Big snag, they lose
capacity over time. Solve the deterioration problem and you'd be on to
a winner for sure.
    Take compressed air, once you've used some the pressure drops,
loss of potential. The same is also true for say a super cap.
Hydrogen sounds attractive but it's damn dangerous stuff and it can
find the tiniest escape route.
   I wonder why no one has ever won an OU. prize?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on October 03, 2014, 11:43:51 AM
Today I was outside watching the rain, the street lamps, and the way how air works. Moisture basically creates clouds, but it also creates lighting and thunder. SO I watch the rain fall down, then I see how the plants sag and I also see how the light rays in the lamp are more obvious....then I see the plants that the sun are not hitting them.

What I gathered from that is that a lot of people don't really understand how things work....and the beauty of understanding how things work, is that we benefit from it as a society with out GREED getting in the way.

It is all geometry! Everything bends around itself...like going in a vortex. The rain is falling down at an angle, light is being reflected at an angle, air is being reflected at an angle.....the difference is that light FADES and BENDS faster than the rest. But if you REALLY think about it, the “light” particles have to be moving faster than the speed of light to create LIGHT...so those particles are moving faster than the speed of light. How is the light created? AND THEN IF FADES!! 60WATT bulb and a 150WATT bulb? One shines farther than the other?

What does that mean? That there are particles moving faster than the speed of light!!!! period 100%.

Free energy is not even a big deal to me! The QEG is just trying to give the poor what the rich already own!!! Can you imagine how would you feel when you print money as you wish? Can you imagine saying that you own a galaxy? That is very childish and GREEDY, I say it first so it belongs to me! They cannot see air the reason why it is still free, i'm sure I can do some company that provides unpolluted air to the healthy conscious and I will make money...but I'm not that type of person. I only seek truth.

Hope girl and james could have stumbled on a WITTS “hopes”....but their energy is good...we need more of these people! If this QEG flops, the goal is to motivate a rich guy or army official to give you their QEG recipe....you army and rich guys should be motivated to show the findings!!! instead of having this nonsense debates. IMO>


And the old women in Morocco still have to carry the water. Rhetoric mumbling do not make up for bad measurements and delusion.
Kind Regards as always.
Mark Dansie

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 03, 2014, 04:57:01 PM
Sound of crickets chirping.... what, nobody even has a working 10 kW proof of concept to show the man with the huge market? Awwwww......


But at least Jamie is still toiling away....

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=392910240862050 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=392910240862050)

https://www.facebook.com/qegsouthafrica (https://www.facebook.com/qegsouthafrica)
"toiling away"...well not for much longer. They are all getting evicted right? And did not HopeGirl complain mightily about the poor level of Internet access in Morocco? And I guess the OPPT approach to handling delinquency does not work?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 03, 2014, 05:03:30 PM
What Is wrong with jamie and hope girl is that they are trying to benefit the world....they could be making millions with a good investor instead of asking for donations. Then after they make millions like bill gates, they should give back to the community...simple.

Since there is no working product and won't be any working product to sell, the ONLY money that the Robbing Robitailles can generate will always be gifts whether or not the people supplying the funds understand that or not.
Quote

That plastic QEG walls don't even look stable for their thickness...they should be more thick. If one needs to get power from the FREEE energy, you have to build something that can handle the spin and the vibrations...it is all a matter of looking at the earth and universe experiences....one cannot disobey the universe...those thin plastic walls in the QEG will flex easy....if they are (WIITS) hoping to make a full working one, it needs more hard thinking in to it BUT i'm sure it will work....it's just hard to find those “out side the box” thinkers in a brainwashed world. IMO. (It is obvious by now that WITSS is 100% wrong)

They will be taken out by the Plutoxin 7 virus long before they can ever make anything work.
Quote

Do I care if I get overunity? NOPE! Because I poses the knowledge to make money! Will a school teach you how to make money? Nope! They will only teach you if you pay them thousands of dollars and if you can pay them back....there goes EVOLUTION...a way of eliminating the weak. (or they say)

At any rate...I'm sure it can be done but it needs others to grow balls and step in to think hard...who will? None! Unless you are rich, but by then why would you care about the poor when you have millions of dollars?
You can be as certain of any of your fantasies as you like.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 03, 2014, 06:16:53 PM
*** NEW FLASH ***

Cape Town has resonance...Woohoo!!! ...tapping into the quantum energy field...Yeah!!... not over-unity yet...bummer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSszG7Zt9EM#t=13 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSszG7Zt9EM#t=13)

Primary Coil Voltage Waveform at Resonance...nasty!! Interesting technical snippet: unit goes into resonance at 3000 rpm and phase locks to 2700 rpm. You can hear the sudden drop in speed. Further increasing input drive motor power results in greater output power with no change in speed. If these guys are honest they will do some proper engineering tests, but I doubt we will see anymore videos.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on October 03, 2014, 07:23:39 PM



 Joel,
      refer to LC circuit, Wikipedia, should provide a clue!
             Regards John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 03, 2014, 08:05:52 PM
*** NEW FLASH ***

Cape Town has resonance...Woohoo!!! ...tapping into the quantum energy field...Yeah!!... not over-unity yet...bummer!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSszG7Zt9EM#t=13 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSszG7Zt9EM#t=13)

Primary Coil Voltage Waveform at Resonance...nasty!! Interesting technical snippet: unit goes into resonance at 3000 rpm and phase locks to 2700 rpm. You can hear the sudden drop in speed. Further increasing input drive motor power results in greater output power with no change in speed. If these guys are honest they will do some proper engineering tests, but I doubt we will see anymore videos.

Wow! What a unique event! Not everyone can point to the exact defining moment of their lives, captured on video forever!

But tell me, Peter and Graham... why are the lights so dim? And only four?



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on October 03, 2014, 08:31:07 PM
Wow! What a unique event! Not everyone can point to the exact defining moment of their lives, captured on video forever!

But tell me, Peter and Graham... why are the lights so dim? And only four?


That is very interesting....
I had this test done 5 months ago....and the best result that I got was about 60%.
What else can I do to show this system doesn't work???
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 03, 2014, 08:40:18 PM
 Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
 --George Santayana


 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 03, 2014, 09:31:22 PM
Someone said something about them moving over to the FundRazr crowd funding page because they got booted off the other better-known crowd funding pages.  I would not be surprised if that is the case.  I also notice that the negative comments are still up on the FundRazr page, which is quite interesting.  FleeceGirl may still be traveling, or perhaps they can't edit the comments?

Did you see FleeceGirl's posting of Jamie playing with a fluorescent light and a big Tesla hairpin setup?  It's like they are thumbing their noses at everybody by jumping through all of the Tesla hoops just for show to hold off the angry villagers with their pitchforks.  What's next?

A QEG-Van der Graaf generator experiment perhaps?  One motor, two belts, three con artists, zero results.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 03, 2014, 09:59:52 PM

That is very interesting....
I had this test done 5 months ago....and the best result that I got was about 60%.
What else can I do to show this system doesn't work???
Compared with these QEGlers (yet another vocab word) your are superman, and 60% that's pretty good. Did you get around to adding an antenna and harnessing earth currents?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 03, 2014, 10:04:11 PM
Meanwhile...

http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/qeg-general-topics/376-what-happens-when-overunity-is-achieved?start=336

This clown Cliff, a.k.a. "vgray35@hitmail.com," has been the "chief technical officer/Internet personality" on the Be-Do forum for the the past seven or eight months.  He blathers on and on about technical stuff, but I am willing to bet you that he has never once dealt with the issue of the QEG builds not showing over unity.  He just plows along with tech talk (some of it pie-in-the-sky nonsense) like an automaton and completely ignores the real technical issues..

It's like...  You and your wife come back from a nice dinner at a good downtown restaurant.  You enter your home and a train has crashed right through your living room.  You turn to your wife and say, "I'm bushed, see you upstairs in five minutes, I'm going to bed."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ariovaldo on October 03, 2014, 10:06:38 PM
Compared with these QEGlers (yet another vocab word) your are superman, and 60% that's pretty good. Did you get around to adding an antenna and harnessing earth currents?
Yes I put antenna, but didn't work.
60% is just to say that was bellow the over-unity point...
Check my YouTube channel and you will see...
https://www.youtube.com/user/jucajosecosta/videos
Thanks

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 03, 2014, 11:57:56 PM
Now we know why Naima Feagin went to see the people at Tesla Energy Solution LLC in Florida, it was to concoct another scheme to beg for money!  This time she is begging for $50,000 (Fifty-thousand dollars) with Tesla Energy Solutions and a performance artist named Rock Demarco.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/project-hope-rocks-tesla-lives (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/project-hope-rocks-tesla-lives)

It's sickening.

So the new round of begging totals ($22,000 + $50,000) = $72,000.  I hope that people wake up and both campaigns fail miserably.

I have said that Naima Feagin is a compulsive liar, check this out:

Quote
The Fix the World Organization

Fix the World (FTW) is a philanthropic organization with special access to an array of amazing projects, including new energy technology, flying cars, alternative cures for disease, ways to restore the local economy, and answers to food security and clean water. One of our goals is to use any profits from large revenue generating projects to fund other projects like alternative education, emotional healing, Eco villages and organic gardens that create happy healthy people and restore communities.

If you want to share your feelings with Tesla Energy Solutions LLC anonymously, here is a link for that:

http://teslaenergysolutionsllc.com/contact-us/ (http://teslaenergysolutionsllc.com/contact-us/)

You can also let Rock Demarco know what you think about him associating with the likes of Naima Feagin:

http://www.rockdemarco.com/bookings.php
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 04, 2014, 12:06:44 AM
What Is wrong with jamie and hope girl is that they are trying to benefit the world....they could be making millions with a good investor instead of asking for donations. Then after they make millions like bill gates, they should give back to the community...simple. ....
Perhaps I missed your answer.  Not like you answer questions anyway.  Which are you?  The engineer artist, the wife, or dolla dolla bill girl herself?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 04, 2014, 01:00:27 AM
....
Did you see FleeceGirl's posting of Jamie playing with a fluorescent light and a big Tesla hairpin setup?  It's like they are thumbing their noses at everybody by jumping through all of the Tesla hoops just for show to hold off the angry villagers with their pitchforks.  What's next?

...

What is he trying to do with that? He's inches away from demonstrating how to become a Crispy Critter.


Let him jump through _this_ Tesla hoop.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 04, 2014, 02:28:53 AM
Thought-crime comments have been removed from the new funding page.  No-hope-in-hell-Girl strikes again.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 04, 2014, 03:02:22 AM
Sound of crickets chirping.... what, nobody even has a working 10 kW proof of concept to show the man with the huge market? Awwwww......


But at least Jamie is still toiling away....

https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=392910240862050 (https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=392910240862050)

https://www.facebook.com/qegsouthafrica (https://www.facebook.com/qegsouthafrica)

TK:

That looks like a Goldstar OS-904RD 40 MHz scope.  (I know because I have one sitting under my Tek 2213)  Too bad he does not know how to use it.  I also did not see any Shop-Vacs in this shot....what's up with that?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 04, 2014, 05:15:50 AM
What is CICU certification? Do you have to pay to get it?
 
http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/welcome-mat/592-monieb-capetown-south-africa (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/welcome-mat/592-monieb-capetown-south-africa)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 04, 2014, 05:20:25 AM
What is CICU certification? Do you have to pay to get it?
 
http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/welcome-mat/592-monieb-capetown-south-africa (http://be-do.com/index.php/nl/forum/welcome-mat/592-monieb-capetown-south-africa)

http://www.be-do.com/index.php/nl/cicu-certification-course
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 04, 2014, 05:25:16 AM
TK:

That looks like a Goldstar OS-904RD 40 MHz scope.  (I know because I have one sitting under my Tek 2213)  Too bad he does not know how to use it. 
Could be. But who knows just what Jamie knows and doesn't know. I know one thing though: he doesn't know how to do what God ordered him to do: Build this QEG and get it working, to Save The World.
Quote
I also did not see any Shop-Vacs in this shot....what's up with that?

Bill
Heck, look at that big brand-new drill press. The thing has probably never been used and can't even be used until a lot of other stuff is moved out of the way! If you aren't making chips you don't need to vacuum.

I may be a bit biased... but whenever I see a shop that neat and clean I have a really hard time believing any work is being done there.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 04, 2014, 05:55:04 AM
....
Did you see FleeceGirl's posting of Jamie playing with a fluorescent light and a big Tesla hairpin setup?
....

A mains-driven NST, a single-gap simple spark gap, some capacitors maybe, and a big 3/4 loop of copper pipe. Looking for nodes and antinodes with his dim, handheld fluorescent? I am truly surprised that he hasn't electrocuted himself already.

Hey Jamie, maybe you should hire a consultant. I can show you the real skinny on _modern_ implementations of Tesla's various useful patents, and just for you, I'll only charge you 150 dollars an hour. Then you can turn around and sell the same secrets to your own clients for 300 dollars an hour. How can you lose? Act fast though, time is running out, the wolf is at your door and winter is coming on fast. Just PM me here, I won't tell anyone, I promise.

24-36 VDC input:
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on October 04, 2014, 11:28:53 PM
I used you video TK
I hope that is OK

http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/

Kind Regards
Mark

Is this from skype QEGNetwork is for you:
"
[2014-09-04 21:23:51] mmeta200: Our Arch-Critic, Mark Dansie, may have the video that solves the QEG VAR's problem.
We thank Mark for unwittingly (and I mean that literally) providing this possible solution for us.
The EEngineers need to study this info...see the video called   
                                                                   Electric OU: Micro SS QEG: TEXAS HAS RESONANCE IN VAR's
                                                                                http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/
"

And an excerpt from 03 to 04 Oct 2014 in attachement.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 05, 2014, 05:32:14 AM
Quote
Since there is no working product and won't be any working product to sell, the ONLY money that the Robbing Robitailles can generate will always be gifts whether or not the people supplying the funds understand that or not.

Yes I understand that. This thing is just a ripple but the ripple cannot be stopped until it is 100% obvious it is a fake. You have to understand the difference between good and evil. If you don't know what is good and what is evil, you have to dig deeper!

If I look at you average late night commercials....those that you see on your local channels. You see them FALSE advertising their products. Their goal is to just take your money. That is their work. Tell me what consumer electronic product out there is 100% as advertised? Their whole intention is to make a pretty penny with false claims. You have this mentality of everything because you are unconsciously trained to that bull shyt!

Quote
They will be taken out by the Plutoxin 7 virus long before they can ever make anything work

You have to understand that people learn new things everyday...don't believe that everything has been figured out yet! Everyone learns something new every day! Like I said, when you look at the evil VS good, youy can see who really wants to help and who is just out there to take your money. The media has done a good job at brainwashing the people...back then the media did not have a good grasp on the people because there was no TV and “social facebook” people just hunted and ate for months....their free time was spent in things they like to do. Now our brain is to occupied to thing how to make a pretty penny = money makes the world go round!

Quote
You can be as certain of any of your fantasies as you like.

call me a future teller...joelstradamus. I'm 100% certain that the QEG will be real in the future. It is all a matter of “evolving” and learning how the universe works. The “smartest” person needs to isolate him/herself from the media to understand past beyond the “mainstream” thinking. Then once you are there, you have to waste a lot of energy to convince the brainwashed people that things are not complicated. You get most answers and research from a hustler mentality = people who only live to make money!

To you donating their efforts means you wasted your money but to others means it is money well spent if it is for the greater good! I know it is hard to tell the difference between the good and evil = good intentions VS SCAMS. Like I mentioned earlier, how do you know a product in any commercial on TV works as advertised? Give me an example of a product you have bought that was not falsely advertised? Their motivation was/is GREED....HUSTLING!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 05, 2014, 05:58:58 AM
Quote
refer to LC circuit, Wikipedia, should provide a clue!

Meh! Inductor and capacitor resonance...a transformer is an inductor and it's “resonance” can step up or down the voltage. The “resonance” is the ability to gather FREEE energy from the source only.

Use your brain and thing hard who created electricity? NO human! It is just an electric river to gather and all of the components are just taping in to the FREEE electric energy.

Answer me this:

Who created electricity?

Who created air?

Who created light?

Who created the sound?

Who created magnetism?

Who created space?

Answer me any of those questions in a scientific manner till you run out of breath but at the end of the day you don't know. You are just TAPPING in to the FREEE energy. MEH! “look at me, I'm tapping in to the FREEE energy but I don't believe in FREEE energy!”...WTF! Does that mean?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 05, 2014, 07:40:12 AM
Joe:

Why don't you start a thread called, "Cloud formation study, QEG fantasy navel gazing and philosophy, and societal and free energy mental masturbation concepts for beginners."

I think that you will be very happy on that thread.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on October 05, 2014, 10:21:07 AM



   In reply 2834 they have even more un-wittingly shot themselves in the foot!
    At the moment to reach the 10kw output, say they're getting 33%, they need
   an input of 30kw.
     If they did manage to get 110% out (which they won't) the resultant device
   would have to handle 110kw and believe me that's some machine.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on October 05, 2014, 10:55:19 AM



 Seen many arboreal herbivorous marsupials round your way lately?
 No.......that's  because of Koala traps!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 05, 2014, 07:30:10 PM
I wonder what is being discussed in that Skype chat. Is it possible to "lurk" and view the conversation without being involved? Is there a link somewhere?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 05, 2014, 08:56:42 PM
Is this from skype QEGNetwork is for you:
"
[2014-09-04 21:23:51] mmeta200: Our Arch-Critic, Mark Dansie, may have the video that solves the QEG VAR's problem.
We thank Mark for unwittingly (and I mean that literally) providing this possible solution for us.
The EEngineers need to study this info...see the video called   
                                                                   Electric OU: Micro SS QEG: TEXAS HAS RESONANCE IN VAR's
                                                                                http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/
"

And an excerpt from 03 to 04 Oct 2014 in attachement.

Thank!  Reading that text reveals the thinking over there.  Now the schtick is a Metaqeg funding conference where doubters need not apply.
If all they need is a working prototype, then what would you call the numerous blog updates and videos from FTW claiming OU and working?  Even the Metaqeg-ers have doubts.  Perhaps they should un-invite (denvite sounds more comical) themselves to the funding conference.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 05, 2014, 09:04:22 PM
Joe:

Why don't you start a thread called, "Cloud formation study, QEG fantasy navel gazing and philosophy, and societal and free energy mental masturbation concepts for beginners."

I think that you will be very happy on that thread.

Why that would be a copy right violation of the domain fixtheworldproject.net  ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on October 05, 2014, 09:51:59 PM
I wonder what is being discussed in that Skype chat. Is it possible to "lurk" and view the conversation without being involved? Is there a link somewhere?


Here is as attachement a record of all the posts on Skype QEGNetwork from 14/02/2014 to today.(PDF file 1.7MB)

But, don't be suprised by the content, for me, all is non sens...
I can't find the right words!
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 05, 2014, 11:07:46 PM

Here is as attachement a record of all the posts on Skype QEGNetwork from 14/02/2014 to today.(PDF file 1.7MB)

But, don't be suprised by the content, for me, all is non sens...
I can't find the right words!
@+

Thanks, I'll have to read the whole thing, but at the moment, I see this:

Quote
[04/10/2014 22:15:34] sidhabo: Just get a hard time to see this as any solution meta ...
obvious fraud take on the QEG

Do you see? These ignoramuses say that my MicroQEG is an "obvious fraud"... yet I stand behind what is in that video 100 percent and can prove that everything in it is real and true. The MicroQEG and all of the associated items that I have demonstrated are 100 percent honest and ANYONE with a few dollars and a soldering iron can prove it for themselves. It is not like the "FTW QEG" where the published materials don't correspond to the actual device, the cost huge and the performance not as stated. My MicroQEG is _more real_ than any FTW QEG!

I told you that this would happen: They have a hard time explaining how my MicroQEG isn't OU, but the FTW QEG is... since the only evidence for any "OU" in either device is the VARs measurement, and I get 27 to one instead of a measly 4 or 10 to one like they do, even in VARs improperly calculated.

Once again, and I hope this gets back to the QEG believers: I challenge you, sidhabo,  thusly. My MicroQEG performs exactly as demonstrated in the videos, there is no "fraud" or fakery involved at all. If anyone doubts this they can build it for themselves for less than the cost of dinner and a movie. If they are so incompetent that they can't build and test it themselves, I will gladly send a unit to you or a qualified third party for testing ON THIS CONDITION. If it fails to perform as shown in the videos, I'll apologize publicly and never darken your door again. But if it DOES perform as shown... which it will, the people who have accused me of fraud will apologize publicly to me, loud and clear, and in addition will pay me my regular consulting fee for three days. Call it an even thousand dollars US. And in either case the tester or the accusing party can keep the unit.

But of course that crowd will never back up their claims with anything real. It is such a joke though, that they see my device and call it fake, but they can't tell that the FTW QEG has no hope of duplicating the WITTS fake QEG without cheating, themselves.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 05, 2014, 11:11:27 PM
Isim:

Thanks!  I glanced through it and it is just a mish-mash of mostly nonsense and poor hapless Kevin Blundell is taking notes.  The poor guy is trying to build a QEG and people are throwing cockamamie suggestions at him from all directions.  Why, I thought that all that you had to do was download the plans and build it and it will work!

There was a big discussion about whether they should be winding their coils "clockwise" vs. "counterclockwise" and they were collectively groping around in the dark and clutching at straws and bumping into walls.

So much for Naima's "fantastic team of engineers."

If there is anything that says "absolutely unknowing/clueless group of newbies" it's when a group of people agonize over whether they should wind their coils "clockwise" or "counter-clockwise."  From what I saw it looked like the discussion must have spanned several Skype sessions.

It's a sad sad state of affairs.  Kevin doesn't stand a chance because the QEG is nonsense.  Kevin doesn't stand a chance because the Skype chat group are a rag-tag collection of people that have no idea what they are doing.  So he doesn't stand a chance-squared.

From what I saw one of the worst offenders was "meta200."  Here is a sample:

Quote
[22/08/2014 03:48:45] mmeta200: Hole theory is the virtual, spatial potential
[22/08/2014 03:49:22] mmeta200: it goes from negative to postive...backward from
electrons....its the cold energy of the overunity machine

He is a dope!   (Medium to hard-core techies will get that joke!)

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 05, 2014, 11:41:18 PM


So much for Naima's "fantastic team of engineers."



It's a sad sad state of affairs.  Kevin doesn't stand a chance because the QEG is nonsense.  Kevin doesn't stand a chance because the Skype chat group are a rag-tag collection of people that have no idea what they are doing.  So he doesn't stand a chance-squared.





MileHigh

Do I hear cubed?  Going once...going twice...

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 06, 2014, 02:25:05 AM
Isim:

Thanks!  I glanced through it and it is just a mish-mash of mostly nonsense and poor hapless Kevin Blundell is taking notes.  The poor guy is trying to build a QEG and people are throwing cockamamie suggestions at him from all directions.  Why, I thought that all that you had to do was download the plans and build it and it will work!

There was a big discussion about whether they should be winding their coils "clockwise" vs. "counterclockwise" and they were collectively groping around in the dark and clutching at straws and bumping into walls.

So much for Naima's "fantastic team of engineers."

If there is anything that says "absolutely unknowing/clueless group of newbies" it's when a group of people agonize over whether they should wind their coils "clockwise" or "counter-clockwise."  From what I saw it looked like the discussion must have spanned several Skype sessions.

It's a sad sad state of affairs.  Kevin doesn't stand a chance because the QEG is nonsense.  Kevin doesn't stand a chance because the Skype chat group are a rag-tag collection of people that have no idea what they are doing.  So he doesn't stand a chance-squared.

From what I saw one of the worst offenders was "meta200."  Here is a sample:

He is a dope!   (Medium to hard-core techies will get that joke!)

MileHigh

Yes, that MMeta person is remarkably ... er... inventive.

But it certainly does make a difference whether a coil is wound one way or the other way. For a given current direction, the resulting magnetic field is opposite in CW vs CCW winds. This may or may not make a difference in practice on any given apparatus. It is the parameter that affects phasing in triggered oscillators for example. As far as the magnetic field goes, reversing the direction of winding is equivalent to reversing the direction of current in the coil, and if it is a matter of phasing an AC signal, reversing direction makes a 180 degree phase shift in the resulting induced response.

If you wound one of your coils the wrong way around, this can usually be fixed simply by reversing the hookup (the polarity) of the coil. But not always, since the coil windings in a multilayer coil will be at different distances from the core, and you might wind up with the "high voltage" end of the coil on the inner windings nearest the core, instead of the outermost windings where they should be for isolation and breakdown resistance.

In a device like the fullsize QEG, to make matters simpler, all the coils should probably be wound in the same sense. Does it matter which one? Probably not, as long as you try to get your high voltages on the outside windings instead of the inside ones. This can be arranged by connecting the coils in the proper "dot" polarity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDabcAB0E_8
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 06, 2014, 03:04:15 AM
TK:

Yes, I am just implying that counter-clockwise or clockwise, all that they have to do is reverse the two connections to the coil.  In the context of their conversation, I somehow doubt that they were aware of this or were taking high-voltage issues into consideration.

For the high-voltage stuff, my thoughts are that winding the coil left-to-right for one layer, and then right-to-left for the layer on top of the first layer is the wrong way to go.  You could have loops with a very high potential difference between them quite close to each other.  My suggestion would be to wind the coil in "small chunks" left-to-right.   Like a 6-layer chunk, and then to the right of that there would be another 6-layer chink, and so on until you got to the right side of the coil.  That way the low-potential windings would be in the far-left chunk and the highest potential windings would be in the rightmost chunk.  So you would not have the problem of a large potential difference between two loops that were close to each other.

I of course have never done any of this but that seems to be the most logical approach to make sure that the coil avoids any inter-loop shorting.  I have never seen this discussed in the QEG realm but I don't follow the technical discussion, or what few crumbs there are of the technical discussion.

In my opinion if Jamie was "real" he would have made this procedure very public so that people would be aware.

I have never played with high voltage stuff, so whatever I say would have to be double-checked.  Anything I say about this stuff would have to be followed up by people doing their own due diligence because I am not qualified in this area.  I don't want someone to get zapped because of me.

I have a feeling my comments are all moot anyways.  It feels like Canada and South Africa are the last kids on the block and everybody else has thrown in the towel.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 06, 2014, 03:45:45 AM
TK:

Yes, I am just implying that counter-clockwise or clockwise, all that they have to do is reverse the two connections to the coil.  In the context of their conversation, I somehow doubt that they were aware of this or were taking high-voltage issues into consideration.

For the high-voltage stuff, my thoughts are that winding the coil left-to-right for one layer, and then right-to-left for the layer on top of the first layer is the wrong way to go.  You could have loops with a very high potential difference between them quite close to each other.  My suggestion would be to wind the coil in "small chunks" left-to-right.   Like a 6-layer chunk, and then to the right of that there would be another 6-layer chink, and so on until you got to the right side of the coil.  That way the low-potential windings would be in the far-left chunk and the highest potential windings would be in the rightmost chunk.  So you would not have the problem of a large potential difference between two loops that were close to each other.

I of course have never done any of this but that seems to be the most logical approach to make sure that the coil avoids any inter-loop shorting.  I have never seen this discussed in the QEG realm but I don't follow the technical discussion, or what few crumbs there are of the technical discussion.

In my opinion if Jamie was "real" he would have made this procedure very public so that people would be aware.

I have never played with high voltage stuff, so whatever I say would have to be double-checked.  Anything I say about this stuff would have to be followed up by people doing their own due diligence because I am not qualified in this area.  I don't want someone to get zapped because of me.

I have a feeling my comments are all moot anyways.  It feels like Canada and South Africa are the last kids on the block and everybody else has thrown in the towel.

MileHigh

MH:

Have you ever used and/or repaired a ShopVac?  If so, then obviously you are highly qualified for their "Scientific" discussion over there, ha ha.

Hey, what about those 5,000 Chinese "engineers"?  Have they given up yet?  Do they even exist?  Did they ever exist in the first place?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 06, 2014, 04:07:23 AM
Bill:

The segue I have been waiting for!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 06, 2014, 05:28:45 AM
@MH: Your intuition is exactly correct, really HV coils are wound just as you describe, in segments. Google "high voltage coils" and then select Images... and you will see many many coils wound just as you imagined. And, indeed, this is the way the HV coils of the QEG should have been wound. Had they done so they probably would not have needed encapsulation to achieve the necessary isolation.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Angelic on October 06, 2014, 05:44:09 AM
Great observation TK. This really has me thinking!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on October 06, 2014, 08:01:30 AM
Hi TK


I thought your brilliant video placed on our Revolution -Green site would help educate people about some of the poor measurement techniques, poor data interpretation and just straight out dumb ass assumptions.


Inadvertently they believe you have provided a solution to one of the QEG issues. I am still laughing about this one it brought tears to my eyes.


Quoting form a QEG Blogg



"[2:23:43 PM] MMeta200: Our Arch-Critic, Mark Dansie, may have the video that solves the QEG VAR's problem. We thank Mark for unwittingly (and I mean that literally) providing this possible solution for us. The EEngineers need to study this info...see the video called Electric OU: Micro SS QEG: TEXAS HAS RESONANCE IN VAR's    http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/ (http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/)
[3:15:49 PM] sidhabo: Just having a hard time to see this as any solution meta  ... obviously a fraud take on the QEG
[5:29:28 PM] MMeta200: The author shows a tuning of a small device, said to solve the VAR...did you see that or not?
[5:31:36 PM] MMeta200: FREE ENERGY # 35 BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER - 377 % OVER UNITY MOTIONLESS"

The video that MMeta200 is referring to is the one that TK published a few months ago;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk)
It is a satirical response to all of the "Geographical location XYZ Has Got Resonance!!" You Tube videos


Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 06, 2014, 09:53:07 AM
Quote
Why don't you start a thread called, "Cloud formation study, QEG fantasy navel gazing and philosophy, and societal and free energy mental masturbation concepts for beginners."

I think that you will be very happy on that thread.

I have psychoanalyzed your responses and you only want to feel this higher authority over all with out giving any ENLIGHTMENT at all.

At least I see other people posting their findings and you are all but like a spoiled cheerleader.

I asked a simple question (among many many mind pondering questions) to you smart guy, “who created electricity?” but you cannot answer the question because I know you don't know.

The ignorance of not being ab;e to built a QEG yourself and believing that they do not work (not just WITTD) 100% is just ignorance at it's finest....so 40 years from now they will not work mr-know-it-all?

You have not even answered me what a QEG is when I asked you based on your own definition and not based on wikipedia!

I bet you a dollar you cannot even explain where magnetism comes from? (yawn, like already asked)

Tell me where the water for this earth came from? By magic?

It all boils down that you only know your own “expertise” and only stuck in that box!

Explain to me how automotive engines work?

Explain to me how LCD TV's work?

Explain to me how to fix your Air Conditioning unit in your house works?

Explain to me how brain thoughts work?

Explain to me how the human cells work?

Explain to me how money works?

Explain to me how computer hard disc drives work or the CPU and GPU?

Explain to me why the stars in the sky are shining with out a power supply?

NOOO! You can't, you are only stuck in that QEGs will never work...lol...

SO if I understand you correctly you are here trying to enlighten people that QEGs don't work so you can help the people that “waste” their money on new technology because you care so much about them not spending their money, OR, you just want to make fun of people for your pleasure and some LOLs? Are you some type pf hero? OR a future teller?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 06, 2014, 10:19:51 AM
Quote
I have never played with high voltage stuff, so whatever I say would have to be double-checked.  Anything I say about this stuff would have to be followed up by people doing their own due diligence because I am not qualified in this area.  I don't want someone to get zapped because of me.

Straight from the horses mouth!

So sir, what's makes you 100% sure things you say are 100% sure? This is very simple elementary stuff for a smart guy. Anyone with eyes, even a donkey, can see a star shine in the sky....hell a dodo bird saw the sun and stars too. That s simple! The real truth is when you actually experience it yourself!!!

How in the world did you learn the value of a dollar? Your mom/dad gives you five dollars when you are 6yrs old, do you know the value? NO!! years pass by at the age of 15 yrs old and the value for five dollars is not fully understood.....when you become a parent is when you understand the value........all of those years to just understand the value of a dollar?

If you don't know QEGs, you cannot speak about knowing that it does not work just based on ignorance! You have to connect the pieces of the puzzle together to get a closer value to anything.

FREEE air + FREEE electricity + FREEE water + FREEE fire + FREEE sun + FREEE females to make love too...you don't buy females do you? FREE!  (I don't mean supporting her financially in exchange)

AT any rate, you just said ”Anything I say about this stuff would have to be followed up by people doing their own due diligence because I am not qualified in this area.”
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 06, 2014, 10:29:07 AM
Hi TK


I thought your brilliant video placed on our Revolution -Green site would help educate people about some of the poor measurement techniques, poor data interpretation and just straight out dumb ass assumptions.


Inadvertently they believe you have provided a solution to one of the QEG issues. I am still laughing about this one it brought tears to my eyes.


Quoting form a QEG Blogg



"[2:23:43 PM] MMeta200: Our Arch-Critic, Mark Dansie, may have the video that solves the QEG VAR's problem. We thank Mark for unwittingly (and I mean that literally) providing this possible solution for us. The EEngineers need to study this info...see the video called Electric OU: Micro SS QEG: TEXAS HAS RESONANCE IN VAR's    http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/ (http://revolution-green.com/qeg-fraud/)
[3:15:49 PM] sidhabo: Just having a hard time to see this as any solution meta  ... obviously a fraud take on the QEG
[5:29:28 PM] MMeta200: The author shows a tuning of a small device, said to solve the VAR...did you see that or not?
[5:31:36 PM] MMeta200: FREE ENERGY # 35 BI-TOROID TRANSFORMER - 377 % OVER UNITY MOTIONLESS"

The video that MMeta200 is referring to is the one that TK published a few months ago;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk)
It is a satirical response to all of the "Geographical location XYZ Has Got Resonance!!" You Tube videos


Kind Regards
Mark
Hi Mark
While my microQEG videos do have some satirical elements (is it really that obvious  8)   ) they are also actually doing what it "says on the tin". That is, in the series of videos in the playlist I demonstrate, first, the "OU in VARS" in the resonant system, then I explain the phase problem and how to measure phase angle on the scope (in the two videos Phase 1 and Phase 2) then in the  next few videos I show how to use real Tesla electromagnetic coupling across space to transfer and convert the VARs in the microQEG tank to real power, at high voltages or low, AC or DC as the task requires. That is, I really DO do what MMeta says, all of it, in the solid state microQEG, the DC Transverter receiver, and the HV Receptor, and Electrosmog Harvester apparatuses. I have solved all (but one) of the problems of the big mechanical QEG. I have even run a DC motor, with full precise speed control, from the microQEG output, something that no other QEG builder has actually done as far as I am aware.

There is only one thing I cannot show them how to do with a QEG-type resonant tank system. For that last little step, they will still have to rely on Timothy Thrapp. And find a way to repeal some universal laws of nature.

DC motor with speed control:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXrhRqlQE4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXrhRqlQE4)

The Full MicroQEG playlist:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf)

It might be good if the playlist link got posted alongside that first video link. Just in case someone else wants to accuse me of faking anything in the videos.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ARMCORTEX on October 06, 2014, 06:09:36 PM
Leave the future to those with a mind for it.

Leave us the future, NOBODY needs you to build anything.

Your DNA will be unnecessary from now on.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 06, 2014, 06:11:04 PM
@Loner: I recently wound a small coil in layers like you describe, using brown masking paper cut in strips. Then I vacuumed the coil under mineral oil to get all the air out. Using this coil as the "secondary" on a flyback core, driven by my standard ZVS oscillator driver system, I was able to generate enough voltage to make a nice powerful burning arc. This is a great system and is in fact the way the "real" FTW QEGs are wound (the "second generation" cores have insulating paper between the layers, in addition to being potted, IIRC.) But their first cores didn't do either HV winding technique and many of them shorted out and had to be rewound, or just abandoned. Can you imagine _unwinding_ a toroid with a couple hundred turns of #10 wire?

As I said earlier, we don't usually see naked protons, except in things like hydrogen plasmas. But we do see positive ions moving, all the time. An ordinary singly-positive ion is much heavier than an electron though, even though it carries the same quantity (but opposite polarity) of charge, so it moves more slowly (and in the opposite direction) in response to a given changing magnetic field or static electric field. This is the basis for gel electrophoresis, a process of separating charged molecular ions based (roughly) on their masses as they migrate through the gel, pushed along by the electric field.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 06, 2014, 07:59:02 PM
Wow, just to revisit a recent discussion, the full "Mmeta200" paper trail is available in all its glory:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/587-invitation-to-participate-metaqeg-build-project (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/587-invitation-to-participate-metaqeg-build-project)

You can browse though his Dropbox folder and look at the "MetaQEG" pdf two-pager.  (see the attached diagram.)

"Not even wrong" applies to poor Mmeta200.  This guy has been poisoning the QEG Skype room for months and months, and the QEG Skype room was broken from the start anyways.

There is a quasi Steorn-like feeling to all of this, at least at the start.  Jamie lent a certain air of respectability and legitimacy to those that wouldn't know better one way or the other.  Just like Steorn did a decent job of looking like a "real company" at the beginning.

And then what do you get?

Then you get guys like Mmeta200 bringing Tom Bearden into the mix and being utterly whackadoo.  Quote Mmeta200, "In the MetaQEG the Bifilar coil, which is a double wire loop wrapped in a coiled serpentine fashion, acts as a receiver coil, of the spatial "time domain/gravity" potential of the third invisible toroidal field created through the axis of the other two visible counterbary coils."

So a complete degeneration from a pseudo air of respectability into the abyss of nonsensical monkeyshines and tomfoolery.

It's reality being stranger than fiction.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 07, 2014, 04:39:24 AM
Guess who:

<<<
Thank you so much everyone for helping out! I've made it safely to Morocco and am working my way through setting up. Its been a challenge as the airline has lost my luggage. My whole life was in that suitcase! Oh well, I have to say that the locals here are amazing. I'm in Tangier in the Free Zone, already making some great Moroccan business contacts for setting up here. I will be working my way over to Tetouan tomorrow to find a place to live.  It feels amazing being back here and I can't wait to get settled into the work of fixing the world and setting up a place for others to come and visit and share in this amazing work with us.

Update on the QEG family: Val and Jaime are currently packing up their home in PA and moving everything into storage. They will be bringing the PA QEG with them to join the QEG and full lab at Tesla Energy Solutions in Florida. Here Jaime will be able to continue working on the QEG in probably one of the most promising environments we've had so far. Fully stocked lab and lots of genius engineers to brainstorm and help out.

I am also excited to announce that we will be launching a "research hub" just for QEG research. Here engineers around the world can share their videos of their experiments on the QEG to help learn from each other in an open source environment. This is co-development at its finest. The research hub will be a landing page with no comments, so it will be clean pure research and solutions for all those around the world working on the QEG.

Will continue to keep everyone updated on my progress here as I create the path for our future.  Blessings to all of you! And again thank you so much for helping. Your donations have made all of this possible.
>>>

Translation:  The "research hub" is just another attempt to keep the free money raining down from Gullible Heaven.  How twisted can it get when you have a "research hub" where there are no comments permitted?

This:  "Fully stocked lab and lots of genius engineers to brainstorm and help out."

The QEG clip made by the dude at Tesla Energy Solutions clearly and unambiguously showed that the dude could not punch his way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to electronics.  It's reasonable to assume that the two guys at Tesla Energy Solutions know next to nothing about electronics and engineering and they simply make their money buy buying and reselling other people's products.  In my opinion Naima is lying when she calls them "genius engineers" and she has no personal integrity at all.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 07, 2014, 06:29:41 AM
It is obvious that some people in here have an entitlement as of a know-it-all and a judge with a big hammer (ahem milehigh). It is 100% obvious that when the QEG is being revealed to society that they should not even have a part on...even if they say “I'm sorry!” (ahem milehigh)

The blind lead the blind! Like I already mentioned = GREED! Why in the world do people get so mad at this movement (which I find it peanuts) when the government is printing money at will but they don't bitch to the government about it...(ahem milehigh)hmmm...let me guess, INTIMIDATION! Lol Then you have these “smart” people getting their “anger” out on things that could really help them if they participate...lol (milehigh)

OK OK OK milehigh...lets see in to the future ok! In a few years WITTS QEG will be shown that it does not work, then some other QEG ill not work...so your p[purpose  is to just BITCH bout the QEGs that don't work all of the time? I can just ppicture you before you die “The QEGS don't work” but OUT SIDE YOUR LITTLE BOX, there are QEGs that are working fine and the military has various different ones. Lol....at the end of the day you have always been closed minded and not contributed anything.....like I said, PROVE THAT QEGs DON”T WORK 100%? Because you cannot debate anything if you are not certain that anything does or does not work....you are just stuck in your own little bubble! Lol

Why do you keep ignoring my SIMPLE questions?

The only answer you have mentioned is “renewable” and I countered for you to tell me “what is not renewable?” you never answer anything!!! Very very simple....WHAT IS NOT RENEWABLE? Since you have to understand what is not from what it is in order to distinguished the difference!!!!!!! You cannot know what is up if you don't know what is down, or vise versa.....if you know what is renewable, you should be able to know what is not renewable energy! SIMPLE!

What is not renewable energy sir? How many times do I have to ask?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 07, 2014, 07:08:09 AM
The QEG has been fully revealed as a very inefficient motor / generator set.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 07, 2014, 07:58:25 AM
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The QEG clip made by the dude at Tesla Energy Solutions clearly and unambiguously showed that the dude could not punch his way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to electronics.  It's reasonable to assume that the two guys at Tesla Energy Solutions know next to nothing about electronics and engineering and they simply make their money buy buying and reselling other people's products.  In my opinion Naima is lying when she calls them "genius engineers" and she has no personal integrity at all.

And exceedingly over priced marked up at that.  You have to see the beauty in all this.  Dolla dolla bill girl's delusions of grandeur is a perfect match with TES.

I am just waiting for one of her ex-elks to be to boldly asks questions on her next radio show "cameo" about why each and every single deadline and claim FTW had never passed muster.

Lets all pass the cigars and welcome slcarr into the OU club:
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/376-what-happens-when-overunity-is-achieved?start=336#2721
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on October 07, 2014, 08:55:45 AM



   Renewable energy is provided by the Sun.
    Refer to "Total surface area required to fuel the world with solar"
   We just need to use it.
   Look for a QEG.in nature, nearly everything that can happen does
    somewhere in the observable universe.
   Electrical and magnetic theory can predict the performance of a
    generator pretty well these days.
   For the QEG. to work there must be a hitherto unknown effect
    to be brought into play. Easy really, just show us what it is!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on October 07, 2014, 09:56:23 AM


"There is only one thing I cannot show them how to do with a QEG-type resonant tank system. For that last little step, they will still have to rely on Timothy Thrapp. And find a way to repeal some universal laws of nature.'

Actually they need new blood in the form of Rosemary. Her technology married to the QEG is a match made at the zero point itself. They after all are now both located on the same continent.


I will get those other video's linked.


Perhaps you can consult at $300 per hour?????


Kind Regards
Mark


PS send me a PM sometime
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 07, 2014, 06:04:30 PM
(snip)

This:  "Fully stocked lab and lots of genius engineers to brainstorm and help out."

The QEG clip made by the dude at Tesla Energy Solutions clearly and unambiguously showed that the dude could not punch his way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to electronics.  It's reasonable to assume that the two guys at Tesla Energy Solutions know next to nothing about electronics and engineering and they simply make their money buy buying and reselling other people's products.  In my opinion Naima is lying when she calls them "genius engineers" and she has no personal integrity at all.

I don't know if this is the clip you mean... but it certainly shows what you say.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rHb1fmFcBo

I'm watching this... and just laughing out loud. Look at that fine, well-equipped laboratory, and watch the utterly lame demonstrations. Imagine the money that is being spent. Where is it coming from? Surely not from sales of the outrageously overpriced QEG kits.

I am especially laughing at the "Tesla Coil" he demonstrates at about 10:15 in the clip. A mains-powered thing with a NST for primary supply... and the thing can barely make a little spark, and the visitors are all like "aaah" and "ooh". I am laughing so hard my tears are diluting my coffee. This is the funniest thing  I've seen since TA's "megavolt" TC.

My TinselKoil VII, powered by 24 volts from a couple of small batteries:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXsChNrBn5I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aIZClhoU2Xk

Why doesn't his little "Tesla Coil" perform like this? Because he doesn't know what he is doing and has not the slightest clue about real tuning, resonance, spark gap performance and so forth. His device is a cartoon, not a Tesla coil.

Every one of the demonstrations and devices he shows in that video, I have done better, cheaper, faster and with proper measurements and interpretations.

Tesla wireless power transmission, shock free "hairpin" circuit, bulb in water? I laugh at his mess of colored clipleads and unsupported interpretations.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnwDh4CsD-c

The great thing about modern components is that they allow the extension of Tesla's ideas to even higher frequencies, where apparatus can be smaller, use less power, make less noise, be safer and more efficient and yet still show the same remarkable effects that make Tesla's work so significant and interesting. But in order to perform these extensions, one has first to understand wtf Tesla was doing, how he did it and what the _correct_ interpretations are of the phenomena he demonstrated.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 07, 2014, 06:16:44 PM

"There is only one thing I cannot show them how to do with a QEG-type resonant tank system. For that last little step, they will still have to rely on Timothy Thrapp. And find a way to repeal some universal laws of nature.'

Actually they need new blood in the form of Rosemary. Her technology married to the QEG is a match made at the zero point itself. They after all are now both located on the same continent.


I will get those other video's linked.


Perhaps you can consult at $300 per hour? ??? ?


Kind Regards
Mark


PS send me a PM sometime

I wish. Just compare the "Tesla Energy Solutions" tour clip up above with the various looks around my "lab" that you've seen. And then compare the actual results and reportage. They clearly need a consultant -- or a few more years of hands-on experience and study -- and I certainly need the money. But let's face it... they do not want to hear what I can tell them. So I just make videos... which apparently are so mind boggling (to certain people) that several times I have been accused of faking what I'm showing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7az00WSZBMw
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 07, 2014, 06:34:39 PM
TK:

You may recall about two or three (?) months ago one of the TES guys put up a clip where he was testing his QEG setup.  He wasn't able to decipher the waveforms on his scope and it was apparent that he had no clue what he was doing.  I made some comments on the clip correcting his mistakes, possibly you did also.  I am assuming that he took the clip down shortly thereafter because he sensed how the clip was exposing the truth about his lack of knowledge, understanding, and experience.

So the clip you linked to of the tour has a similar feeling, but the Tesla Energy Solutions QEG demo clip was truly painful to watch.

The TES story reminds me of Mr. Lucite himself, the Quanta Magnetics guy that sells pretty pulse motor kits that don't do much at all.

https://www.youtube.com/user/PMMG4HYBRID/videos

For me personally it's painful to watch Mr. Lucite's clips.  He has no clue what he is doing and his stuff does nothing of merit and yet he can still talk over a 20-minute clip and say absolutely nothing.

If you want to charge a battery with inductive pulses instead of spending $2500 on a next-to-useless Quanta Magnetics contraption, you can do it for $25 by buying a roll of speaker wire and making a 555 timer circuit plus a power transistor.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 07, 2014, 06:52:46 PM
The more money you spend on something, the more you have to believe that it will work, someday. That's the real genius of the HopeGirl psy-op. She got people to spend a lot of money, never mind where it actually went, so those people automatically become "sheep" who will keep the myth alive long after it should have faded away. In other words the QEG builders with their CICUs are a classic cult of believers who have invested huge amounts of time and money on their belief system. And just like any other cult, when the predictions aren't met, the goalposts (dates of landing, dates of self-running, dates of Rapture, etc etc) get moved again and again. Eventually though, the believers fall away as these movements happen, until finally only a small core group of the extreme fanatics remains. At that point... the cult is very close to a Jonestown-Heaven's Gate type event.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 08, 2014, 07:34:46 AM
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Renewable energy is provided by the Sun.

Are you serious?

You need to look past that, what powers the sun? Explain to me that today!

Quote
Refer to "Total surface area required to fuel the world with solar"
We just need to use it.

Well only the rich have this “luxury” why are you barely learning this? BTW, you are 100% wrong...you are not taking in consideration gravity, wind, rotation, and math (the big bang theory).

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Look for a QEG.in nature, nearly everything that can happen does somewhere in the observable universe.

If you understand the history how everything came to be, you will see that todays technology is still the same as thousandths of years ago. Explosive powder = guns. Gold = gold. Silver = silver. Battery =  lime juice and water. Airplane = learning how birds fly. Rockets = farting with enoough force to propel....gyros to keep it stable and for direction. ETC ETC ETC

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Electrical and magnetic theory can predict the performance of a
generator pretty well these days.

Dude! It has been predicted since decades ago, you are not taking in consideration GREED! The trick to is is who is saying the truth VS who is bending it to make some dollars? Tell me that you know the government is only trying to do what is best for society? Lol wake up dude. It is obvious that ten years from now they will reveal their technology to the public while being still ten years ahead of your puny brain!
 
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For the QEG. to work there must be a hitherto unknown effect
to be brought into play. Easy really, just show us what it is!

How do you  know the known? SIMPLE because you believe you know everything lol....there are people who know “your unknown” already! You are just expecting for them to spoon feed you knowledge to you like a baby...lol......seriously where do you work and what do you do on an everyday basis? Lets do some science. Do you even have a PHD?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Tseak on October 08, 2014, 10:34:17 AM
Oh Yay. It looks like the new season of Rosemary is beginning with QEG as the guest artist. I'm rushing out to get my popcorn in time for a ringside seat. 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 08, 2014, 03:15:21 PM
The long awaited Rossi report has been leaked:

http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf (http://www.sifferkoll.se/sifferkoll/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/LuganoReportSubmit.pdf)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on October 08, 2014, 04:45:17 PM
Scam Girl has a sister and they are only after $150,000 this time
Mark
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/quantum-energy-generator

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 08, 2014, 04:59:11 PM
Scam Girl has a sister and they are only after $150,000 this time
Mark
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/quantum-energy-generator (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/quantum-energy-generator)
This has got to be some kind of satire. Look at the great rewards you get for large donations!

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on October 08, 2014, 09:35:05 PM



   Hi Joel,
            thanks for commenting on what my puny brain was able to offer.
 I thought you were only capable of spouting puerile gibberish but I could
 we'll be wrong.
     I'm an old farmer from UK. and you're right, I have no qualifications.
 I'm quite interested in the characters who contribute to this forum nearly,
 all their ideas and inventions are silly, but there are a few good ones too!
   As for the QEG. thingy that poor Robitalie fellow doesn't seem to have a
 clue. I would think if you were to give him a moderately complex circuit
 to analyse he wouldn't stand a chance, whereas the likes of MarkE, poyntt99,
 MH. or TK. would find it easy.
     When it comes down to it about the most important thing there  out there
 is food and water. The Sun makes everything we do possible, it provides us
 with everything we need.
                               John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 08, 2014, 10:11:36 PM
This has got to be some kind of satire. Look at the great rewards you get for large donations!
Speaking as Hope Girl's cousin's room mate's hair dresser's grocer's step brother's distant neighbor, I can assure you that Hope Girl's sister is every bit as sincere as Hope Girl herself.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 09, 2014, 01:15:08 AM
I have a feeling that Hope-you-give-me-more-moneyGirl is going to have to respond to the IndieGoGo crowd funding page for the Quantum Energy Generator.

"They are the fake fakes and we are the real fakes!"   ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 09, 2014, 04:04:56 AM
I have a feeling that Hope-you-give-me-more-moneyGirl is going to have to respond to the IndieGoGo crowd funding page for the Quantum Energy Generator.

"They are the fake fakes and we are the real fakes!"   ;D

Exactly right!  This should be interesting to say the least.  The one thing scammers hate, is another scammer moving in on their territory.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on October 09, 2014, 10:01:48 AM
 - Question:
Is-it possible that Cheyenne Crystal and HopeGirl be the same person?

 - Last News from skype:
"
[10:40:49] Vortex Mechanical Design: VMD update 2014 October 9th

Hi All,

Updated drawing sets for both original FTW QEG and scaled down QEG are available on my website:
Revision V1.20
www.vortexmd.com/rnd-projects/qeg/

HHO Booster kit reports are also updated for those who are interested.

www.vortexmd.com
"
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: alysharf on October 11, 2014, 01:32:40 AM
i have many questions about the open source plans
how many kw is produced as input and as output , and how long the generator work before maintenance (how many hours) and temperature  the generator should work in , also how much is needed to build it and how much to make maintenance ?
is it possible to make the generator for 2000 kw
is it possible to modify it to produce 3phase AC CURRENT
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 11, 2014, 05:36:37 AM
 
Quote
Hi Joel,
            thanks for commenting on what my puny brain was able to offer.
 I thought you were only capable of spouting puerile gibberish but I could
 we'll be wrong.

If you watch the history of money, the history of the engine, the history of the light bulb, the history of the ac/dc motor, the history of pulley, the history of gun power, the history of the time clock, the history of the numbers...etc...you will grasp a lot of things...everything will be in sync with todays tehcnology because it is basically the same things as it has been before in the roots...now is more of learning to tap more from the FREEE energy. I'm not trying to talk nonsense, this is all in the history books and on TV shows such as the history channel or NOVA...also in “ancient aliens”....and also stuff that now people are discovering... it is not that hard...you just have to take your time and drink some tea and coffee find a comfortable and peaceful place and absorb all of that information to do some peaceful research to see the truth!
 
Quote
I'm an old farmer from UK. and you're right, I have no qualifications.
 I'm quite interested in the characters who contribute to this forum nearly,
 all their ideas and inventions are silly, but there are a few good ones too!

A lot of people don't have qualifications! They are just motivated by getting disconnected from the source. That is mostly their motivation....but there are two sides of the road...one you have to learn how to make money another is you have to learn after you make money...those are two different paths...can you imagine what you will think after you are filthy rich? Can you imagine what will you be doing after there are billions of dollars in your bank account? The truth is that money should not change you that you should be thinking the same in both areas....that's when you see the truth...but GREED gets a hold of a lot, so as the lack of money. Would you think the same if you where a billionaire?

   
Quote
As for the QEG. thingy that poor Robitalie fellow doesn't seem to have a
 clue. I would think if you were to give him a moderately complex circuit
 to analyse he wouldn't stand a chance, whereas the likes of MarkE, poyntt99,
 MH. or TK. would find it easy.

lol...you only judge with out understanding. It is understandable since you want to believe they are right. Like I already mentioned before, you don't worry about it because you never donated anything to anyone QEG...unless you tell me which QEG have you donated too? If it is none...why are you so incline to say that QEGs don't work if nothing is coming out of your pockets? This is a perfect example of using common sense “judgment” if you stay as a donating person and never move forward, you will always be a donation. If your ratio is 20% donating and 80% returns, then you have it made. Evne if it is 40% donation and 60% return is still 10% profit. This is how life works...in everything. Relationships, work, retail, attention, self employed, etc...
     
   
Quote
When it comes down to it about the most important thing there  out there
 is food and water. The Sun makes everything we do possible, it provides us
 with everything we need.
                               John.

Food and water needs food and water too.  :P How is food created? How is water created? Food needs to eat, water needs to eat too! Lol think about it. For meat eating humans, we need animals that need food and water to kill for eating. For water, humans are responsible to keep the water clean for the circle of life to continue. Now you got me thinking about all of the trash all over the oceans and in outer space! But things are not hard to understand once you turn your tv entertainment off and do some simple research. But that is something for another forum. The whole key is to spend as less as possible and make as much as possible with less energy....EVOLUTION would not work if 60% energy is put in and 30% comes out...eventually things would cancel out. Get it? NO EVOLUTION!, NO CIVILIZATION!, NO MOVING FORWARD!. so you always need less energy to get greater output!. If you need more that 60% energy to give life and get 40% back, things will eventually cease to exist! very simple in life...pay $200 dollars to get a weeks worth of electricity...soon you will die trying to pay the bill and the company will go out of business eventually....give them 10% more then what they par for, is a benefit for both but not it is more complicated then that...the point is 100% that there is always has to be less input to get greater output! prove me wrong where there life progress where 60% is needed to get 40% out that exists for thousands of years? I know am asking too much from you but it is true!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 11, 2014, 06:29:11 AM

   
Like I already mentioned before, you don't worry about it because you never donated anything to anyone QEG...unless you tell me which QEG have you donated too? If it is none...why are you so incline to say that QEGs don't work if nothing is coming out of your pockets?



So, now I have to donate my hard earned money to a scam before I am allowed to call it a scam?  There is 0 logic in that statement, as well as your many other blatherings.  Seriously, please look at what you type before posting.  Holy crap!

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 11, 2014, 07:00:21 AM
Quote
So, now I have to donate my hard earned money to a scam before I am allowed to call it a scam?  There is 0 logic in that statement, as well as your many other blatherings.  Seriously, please look at what you type before posting.  Holy crap!

Bill

You are always “donating” money :)...it relates to “investing” in the New York exchange....please look DEEPER in to what I'm trying to say... You pay (donate) money for food, you pay money rent, electricity, entertainment...HELL, if entertainment costs more than what you put in, then no one would be entertained! Get it?

Remember when I said you always have to DONATE less to get more out because if you donate more, things cancel out eventually. Look at life, there would be no evolution if there is more energy moving in than it is coming out. Simple.

We always learn from mistakes. Don't we? We always learn from wrong to be able to learn from right? Donating is essential to figure out the truth. Leeching is essential to take your money for profit. No one is going to spent their money to help the others if they are not willing to help, holly crap so simplistic that I don't understand where your mind is!

Everyone looses money here and there, but the BIG PICTURE is not even about the money, it is about FREEDOM and understanding. Tomorrow there is going to be a show that shows the history of money and will teach how the general public can print their own money legally....LOL i'm pretty sure you never knew that. People are printing their own money outside and using it with no reproductions. I'm sure the money would be less “hard earned” than the money you own right now...lol

Expand you mind man! Don't just sit in the same chair for years because you won't evolve...don't think the same things because your brain won't evolve.

On what do you spend your "hard earned" money?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 11, 2014, 08:02:01 AM


On what do you spend your "hard earned" money?



Food, Hookers and Beer.  Although, I sometimes brew my own beer.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 11, 2014, 08:47:13 AM
Quote
Food, Hookers and Beer.  Although, I sometimes brew my own beer.

Bill

LOL, honest opinion is honest!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on October 11, 2014, 09:41:13 AM
@joel321
"....
I'm not trying to talk nonsense, this is all in the history books and on TV shows such as the history channel or NOVA...also in “ancient aliens....

And I will think like you?  :'(  No thanks!
@+
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 11, 2014, 05:33:14 PM
Have you noticed the "QEG Phenomenon"? There is some effect or force radiated by the QEG that causes each and every builder's group to go completely silent, once resonance is attained and demonstrated. Nobody, but nobody, is posting the daily "progress reports" that one might reasonably expect from a distributed research effort. It is as though someone is suppressing information about the QEG! Or... maybe... there is simply no further information to be had. Run to resonance.... then what? Sit there and watch the "Exciter coil" sparking a tiny spark every few seconds from RF pickup? I'd rather watch paint dry.

How does South Africa know not to make the same mistakes as Germany or Taiwan, for example? Are there secret, behind-the-scenes communication networks sharing data on this Open-Source Free Energy Project released to the People by the heroic James and Valerie Robitaille and their spokesperson Naima Feagin?

Time goes by, tick tock tick tock, winter, or summer, is coming on fast and expensive heating and air conditioning will be needed. Better be careful you don't overload your mains supply circuit, running your air conditioner and your QEG drive motor at the same time!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 12, 2014, 08:42:23 AM
Aaaand.... another builder reports attaining Resonance... and asks.... now what?

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/recent (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/recent)

Well, Stroke49... now you have an expensive, noisy resonator that puts out less than half the power you put into it. And it's starting to get cold in the Allegheny hills. I sure hope you don't get hit by the QEG Effect: It makes people go silent and disappear, shortly after attaining Resonance. It's worse than the Rapture, I'm telling you. Maybe you had better have people watching you, 24-7, just in case.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 12, 2014, 03:16:34 PM
Aaaand.... another builder reports attaining Resonance... and asks.... now what?

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/recent (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/recent)

Well, Stroke49... now you have an expensive, noisy resonator that puts out less than half the power you put into it. And it's starting to get cold in the Allegheny hills. I sure hope you don't get hit by the QEG Effect: It makes people go silent and disappear, shortly after attaining Resonance. It's worse than the Rapture, I'm telling you. Maybe you had better have people watching you, 24-7, just in case.
Canada too has resonance so says Kevin!

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/canada/595-canada-has-resonance (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/canada/595-canada-has-resonance)

https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC) They are opting to go down the meditation route to achieve OU. Interesting..!

Notice the posting rate is less than 1 per day on be do.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 12, 2014, 08:14:56 PM
Will this survive?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tinman on October 12, 2014, 11:24:50 PM
Will this survive?
They have achieved resonance,and the parametric oscillations are running strong.
They have it made now ::)
Once the eludium q-632 space modulator kicks in-it's show over  :D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 12, 2014, 11:49:02 PM
They have achieved resonance,and the parametric oscillations are running strong.
They have it made now ::)
Once the eludium q-632 space modulator kicks in-it's show over  :D
I think that you will find its a "eludium q-632 space-time modulator" ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tinman on October 13, 2014, 12:58:26 AM
I think that you will find its a "eludium q-632 space-time modulator" ;D
It's actually the elludium pew 36 explosive space modulator lol-oh those were the days of childhood .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuUJfYcn3V4
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 13, 2014, 01:45:56 AM
To PCB,

If you will please, ask the be-do-ers what do they define as Resonance.  Most likely your post again will go untouched.
How many of them would basically come to the conclusion that the bulb lighting defines resonance. LOL!!!

How many of them would say its the highest point on the power curve of in to out ratio or when the inductors and capacitors are operating in harmony.

Either way non of which are worth clapping, shouting, gong banging, or money donating.  Every microcontroller, microprocessor, asic, and serial interface ic on earth has resonance.  Some in the form of phase lock looping, some with crystals, LC tanks, others with RC clocks.  And these actually do useful work as opposed to doubling as weight training equipment and door stops.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 13, 2014, 06:00:12 AM
You have to have a chuckle on how it's always "RFU" on the empty light bulb sockets for all of the hopeful cottage community associations.  I think that "FU" might also have a different meaning for some.

This is my quest!

No matter how hopeless!

No matter how far...

To reach the unreachable............. Qwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegggggg!!!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 13, 2014, 08:44:58 AM
Money money money, look at all the money being spent. You know, it is actually hard for me to believe that none of these clowns has electrocuted himself yet, or lost a finger or an eyeball from fooling around with this big rotating machine with no safety guard and high voltage wiring all over the place.

Hey, Kevin.... you can get all the "positive" people you like gathered around your kitchen table to talk about fantasies and hopes and dreams. That won't make them come true. Why won't you accept a WAGER, if you are so confident? I know why and so do you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 13, 2014, 08:55:09 AM
You have to have a chuckle on how it's always "RFU" on the empty light bulb sockets for all of the hopeful cottage community associations.  I think that "FU" might also have a different meaning for some.

This is my quest!

No matter how hopeless!

No matter how far...

To reach the unreachable............. Qwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegggggg!!!!!

Nice photo. Did they also post the input and output power figures along with those two light bulbs shining brightly? What, 200 Watts output in light, another 100 watts in noise... against 700 Watts to run the drive motor?  Is that close to the values you get, Kevin?

Kevin, every day that goes by without a comprehensive report from you telling the real story of how you were duped... just makes you look more incompetent and more of a dupe. Didn't you read the FAQs?
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=5 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=5)
Quote
All that’s needed is to spin the machine up to resonance. At that point it will run itself. It can be
started using existing electrical power if available, or a crank mechanism, or a battery powered
motor-start system.
But you've Got Resonance (tm)! So how can you be so frigging incompetent? ALL THAT'S NEEDED IS TO SPIN THE MACHINE UP TO RESONANCE. AT THAT POINT IT WILL RUN ITSELF. Says so right there in the FAQs and also on the last pages of the Official Plans document. So what is your major malfunction, Kevin? I say you are incompetent because you believe in this crap... and even if WERE REAL and the lying claims true.... you are STILL utterly incompetent because you cannot make it work!

And every day that goes by with "resonance" proves the incompetence of every QEG builder, since they none of them can do what it clearly says in the FAQs: You can even start it with a crank mechanism !!



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 13, 2014, 10:52:43 AM
Well, I still can laugh thinking about the moniker "Dizzy Deasy."  I suppose a distant second might be "Blundering Blundell."

"If you don't believe this lie is true, ask the blind man, he saw it too."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 13, 2014, 12:10:51 PM
Years ago there was a Steorn video where a technician declared that he could smell the overunity.  Steorn had bamboozled the poor guy pretty badly.  IIRC the guy's name was Coates.  But don't hold me or any innocent person name Coates to that.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 13, 2014, 01:07:54 PM
To PCB,

If you will please, ask the be-do-ers what do they define as Resonance.  Most likely your post again will go untouched.
How many of them would basically come to the conclusion that the bulb lighting defines resonance. LOL!!!

How many of them would say its the highest point on the power curve of in to out ratio or when the inductors and capacitors are operating in harmony.

Either way non of which are worth clapping, shouting, gong banging, or money donating.  Every microcontroller, microprocessor, asic, and serial interface ic on earth has resonance.  Some in the form of phase lock looping, some with crystals, LC tanks, others with RC clocks.  And these actually do useful work as opposed to doubling as weight training equipment and door stops.
It's probably pointless to post anything on be-do as there is no conversation taking place there anymore. Just a post, mostly from Shean, every other day or two. But if you have not done so you should watch the South Africa Demo. They bring up the rpm to just above 3000 and it snaps into phase lock in the 2900 to 3000 range. At which point the light bulbs come on. I would suggest that the reason for this is the this is the peak point of parametric excitation and once current starts to flow in the LC circuit a feedback effect is created between the the stator and the rotor. At this point more input power goes directly to the output. But its a very inefficient circuit because it take perhaps 600W to 700W  to get the machine to phase lock (resonate), at which point the power need to maintain resonance falls 100W to 200W and goes to the output to light the lamps. If then you try to increase the speed the input power does directly to the output and the bulbs get brighter (by another 100W or so). I suspect they do not like doing this because the voltage in the tank circuit probably starts to climb quite a bit and they then burn out the primary coil. The tank circuit only has a storage capacity of around 2 to 4J or so. This thing in never going to be anything more than it already is, an interesting but inefficient mechanical to electrical converter. The focus of the QEGers seems to be the build process itself and reaching the point of resonance (for the group as a whole) so as as to be "one" with the other successful QEGists. There is no serious attempt to take meaningful measurements (mostly because they are not electrical engineers doing this) for example and report results back to the build community. After the build team gets to the "resonance" point there is no place to go farther and they all dissipate, hence you do not hear from them again. I assume the 70lb block of copper and iron just sits around collecting dust. I think building a QEG is really a spiritual exercise for the people involved, as they feel they are accomplishing the impossible and sticking it to the "man".

One final thought. Where Jamie etal has let everybody down is that he has singularly failed to provide any theoretical framework for what should be done next once the machine is built and resonating. This is not surprising because as TK likes to post, Jamie built this thing believing that all you have to do is to build it and it will self run. When it did not do this he revealed via action and postings from HopeGirl that he has really no engineering capacity as such, being really an engineering "artist". Clearly his attempts to harness ground current or charge in the atmosphere were a total failure. Once you have done all that what else do you do, where do you go?. I would suggest hooking up a bank and potatoes or more aptly lemons to it as a source of power.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tinman on October 13, 2014, 02:28:22 PM

But you've Got Resonance (tm)! So how can you be so frigging incompetent? ALL THAT'S NEEDED IS TO SPIN THE MACHINE UP TO RESONANCE. AT THAT POINT IT WILL RUN ITSELF. Says so right there in the FAQs and also on the last pages of the Official Plans document. So what is your major malfunction, Kevin? I say you are incompetent because you believe in this crap... and even if WERE REAL and the lying claims true.... you are STILL utterly incompetent because you cannot make it work!

(tm)-is that me :D
Well if i had of know that all you guys wanted to see was a self running motor/generator combo,i would have whiped up one for ya'll. Infact,i'll smash one up next weekend for ya's-the first self running motor/generator combo-hell,i'll even throw in an LED for good look's. For this project we will use my new found energy source-electron drag power generation-lets call it the !QEGquack ultra pack!-no resonance needed with the new electron drag generator,she's all go at any speed.

Will post it here on this thread this coming sunday-along with the other junk here that isnt worth a pinch of sh-t :o
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 13, 2014, 09:18:05 PM
(tm)-is that me :D
Well if i had of know that all you guys wanted to see was a self running motor/generator combo,i would have whiped up one for ya'll. Infact,i'll smash one up next weekend for ya's-the first self running motor/generator combo-hell,i'll even throw in an LED for good look's. For this project we will use my new found energy source-electron drag power generation-lets call it the !QEGquack ultra pack!-no resonance needed with the new electron drag generator,she's all go at any speed.

Will post it here on this thread this coming sunday-along with the other junk here that isnt worth a pinch of sh-t :o

But can you start it with a crank mechanism? LOL...


(the "tm" in my post was supposed to indicate "trademark", since "We've Got Resonance" seems to be the FTW QEG CICU trademark and I'd hate to be accused of infringing on their intellectual property. Wait... they have no intellectual property. So never mind..... )

 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 13, 2014, 09:26:43 PM
(snip)
One final thought. Where Jamie etal has let everybody down is that he has singularly failed to provide any theoretical framework for what should be done next once the machine is built and resonating. This is not surprising because as TK likes to post, Jamie built this thing believing that all you have to do is to build it and it will self run. When it did not do this he revealed via action and postings from HopeGirl that he has really no engineering capacity as such, being really an engineering "artist". Clearly his attempts to harness ground current or charge in the atmosphere were a total failure. Once you have done all that what else do you do, where do you go?. I would suggest hooking up a bank and potatoes or more aptly lemons to it as a source of power.

Oh, it's worse even than that, far worse than a simple naive belief that Thrapp's thing worked as claimed. As I pointed out at the beginning, this thing of Jamie's is a religious revelatory experience. They don't talk about it much, but in one of the recent videos Naima tells the story to the camera. She says that Noah was told by God to build an ark and save the world from the Flood, and God told Jamie to build this QEG and get it working to Save the World (from the tyranny of Big Oil, presumably.) Jamie had a dream or vision that revealed to him the missing details that he didn't get from Timmy Thrapp during the one-hour demonstration that they paid big bucks for, and now Jamie is acting, not under the orders of Valerie and Naima, but under orders from God Himself.
This does not bode well for James. Since he is doomed to fail (unless his God lets loose with a custom miracle just for him and the other QEGgers) he is also doomed to depression, fear, and physical health problems caused by spending all those cold nights in the lab, driving the machine to resonance and staring at it, shutting  it down, turning the trimcap 1/8 of a turn, driving it up again.... take measurements and observe no change..... lather rise repeat. It's a morale-killer of a program, but even Abraham couldn't turn down God's orders.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 13, 2014, 09:40:36 PM
Oh, it's worse even than that, far worse than a simple naive belief that Thrapp's thing worked as claimed. As I pointed out at the beginning, this thing of Jamie's is a religious revelatory experience. They don't talk about it much, but in one of the recent videos Naima tells the story to the camera. She says that Noah was told by God to build an ark and save the world from the Flood, and God told Jamie to build this QEG and get it working to Save the World (from the tyranny of Big Oil, presumably.) Jamie had a dream or vision that revealed to him the missing details that he didn't get from Timmy Thrapp during the one-hour demonstration that they paid big bucks for, and now Jamie is acting, not under the orders of Valerie and Naima, but under orders from God Himself.
This does not bode well for James. Since he is doomed to fail (unless his God lets loose with a custom miracle just for him and the other QEGgers) he is also doomed to depression, fear, and physical health problems caused by spending all those cold nights in the lab, driving the machine to resonance and staring at it, shutting  it down, turning the trimcap 1/8 of a turn, driving it up again.... take measurements and observe no change..... lather rise repeat. It's a morale-killer of a program, but even Abraham couldn't turn down God's orders.
He drove it to resonance.  It will drive him to madness.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tinman on October 13, 2014, 10:21:50 PM
But can you start it with a crank mechanism? LOL...


 
Who needs a crank start,-she'll be self starting.
If were going to do it,we have to do one better than the QEGer's.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 13, 2014, 10:40:24 PM
If a posting made on the Be-Do forum on September 27th has 118 views (Invitation to Participate: 'MetaQEG build project') and a picture posted on this thread about 18 hours ago has about 240 views, I can cautiously assume that a lot of "external" QEG enthusiasts are still watching this thread.  That might include Evens Abellard, Kevin Blundell, Jamie, the South African guy Graham Abbott, and other "luminaries" in the QEG realm.

So there is a QEG collective OU.com-based unconsciousness that knows this whole thing is a criminal farce, but most of them are a afraid to admit it for reasons already mentioned in this thread.  Poor Graham Abbott looks like a perfectly nice guy and he and his friends have read the comments on his second YouTube clip that state the facts about the QEG.  He has not replied to any of the comments on his clip and I suppose he will never reply.  As TK stated, he is in "downhill" mode right now.  After resonance, then what?

Several months ago Naima posted about the major difficulties doing any QEG development work in Morocco, and now she is back in Morocco waiting for her co-conspirators to continue the QEG development.  The real reasons they are going to Morocco have been speculated on this thread.  It's an Orwellian nightmare orchestrated by Naima where yesterday's truth is today's lie.

Assuming that Jamie was a bench technician for a major appliance manufacturer for many years, I cannot give him the benefit of the doubt that he truly believed that he had something.  I just can't do it.  I can't believe that a grown man with that much experience could be so stupid that he would believe that.  Yes, we have seen his serious technical limitations many times over.  But I refuse to believe that he could make such a colossal mistake.  In his job there is a good chance that he was running his weed whackers and other motorized devices with varying loads to check their performance.  What happens when you stall a weed whacker or a vacuum cleaner motor?  He had to be putting thermocouples all over their products and running them under varying voltages and loads and measuring the power consumption and recording the temperatures at key places.  He had to be putting his weed whackers into temperature cycling ovens and monitoring their power consumption and performance.  They have large labs that they call "reliability labs" where they run perhaps 50 weed whackers for six months, turning them off and on every five minutes, or running them and spraying fresh or salt water at them.  I know this because I worked in the appliance industry myself for several years.

So Jamie sees resonance and then hoodwinks himself and proclaims that the device is 1000 watts in and 10,000 watts out?  He has been a bench technician for years and years where making power measurements has been one of his duties and yet he plays with a QEG and makes no power measurements?  I don't buy it, it just does not make sense.

So in my opinion Jamie is a conspirator along with Naima and Valerie.

And chances are none of the lurkers that are QEG replicators that have useless ten-thousand-dollar doorstops are going to step forward and say something.  The closest we got was the Japanese group that offered to refund the money to all of their contributors.

Who knows, if the cost of living is very low in Morocco, and you live a life of leisure without any spending excesses, you might be able to stretch out the money so that three people can live reasonably comfortably for three years.

So that means that Naima, Jamie, and Valerie had a nine-month vacation gallivanting all over the world, and then they are getting a three year vacation in Morocco.

If their crazy Tesla begging campaign with those hapless guys in Florida actually came to fruition for $50,000 (It looks like it is going to be a total flop), plus add in their new round of begging for $22,000, they could probably extend the Moroccan freeloading vacation out another two years.

That's one serious con job if nine months of BSing and taking advantage of gullible people gets you somewhere between three and five years of paid vacation for three people.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 13, 2014, 11:52:45 PM
Oh, it's worse even than that, far worse than a simple naive belief that Thrapp's thing worked as claimed. As I pointed out at the beginning, this thing of Jamie's is a religious revelatory experience. They don't talk about it much, but in one of the recent videos Naima tells the story to the camera. She says that Noah was told by God to build an ark and save the world from the Flood, and God told Jamie to build this QEG and get it working to Save the World (from the tyranny of Big Oil, presumably.) Jamie had a dream or vision that revealed to him the missing details that he didn't get from Timmy Thrapp during the one-hour demonstration that they paid big bucks for, and now Jamie is acting, not under the orders of Valerie and Naima, but under orders from God Himself.
This does not bode well for James. Since he is doomed to fail (unless his God lets loose with a custom miracle just for him and the other QEGgers) he is also doomed to depression, fear, and physical health problems caused by spending all those cold nights in the lab, driving the machine to resonance and staring at it, shutting  it down, turning the trimcap 1/8 of a turn, driving it up again.... take measurements and observe no change..... lather rise repeat. It's a morale-killer of a program, but even Abraham couldn't turn down God's orders.
Yes you are right, I totally forgot the vision from God thing. Although I suspect that was HaplessGirl pushing yet another button to get donations.

@MH I think you give Jamie way too much credit for knowing something about electrical engineering. I suspect he has only a very basic level of knowledge of electricity.

I've been thinking about the origins of the QEG. I took it as read that Jamie built a prototype, took measurements, created the engineering drawings for the iron core, drew the circuit diagram with its mistakes, etc. But know I'm not sure that is the case. I think the engineering documentation came from Thrapp . The image of Jamie running his prototype is likely Thrapp's machine. I willing to bet he never actually had free hands on his own QEG until they went to Taiwan. Due to totally lack of knowledge and operating experience he blew both cores. I think this explains the level of surprise and happiness when they bring the QEG to resonance. This was the first time he himself had done it. Up until this point everything looked great, but Thrapp's deception was not revealed until they got to the UK and found out that bringing the device to resonance was about the limit of things. When Jamie gets back to PA he builds his own QEG with the new core. We never see the old unit, and clearly you never see comparison testing being done.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 14, 2014, 04:21:32 AM
Here are a few Kevin Blundell quotes from the QEG Canada Facebook page from today, just for the record:

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

QEG Canada (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC) resonance does not = over unity.  It is a step in the right direction, a very big one.  Please get your facts straight before you bash with negative energy.

QEG Canada (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC) Resonance is a step that if required before you work towards over unity.  We, and many others, are in the process of pushing the QEG to the next step, which is self running.  Before we can do that, now that we have resonance, we need to fine tune the machine to find its sweet spot (best frequency for resonance).  There is still much to do and it will take time.  There is a great deal of work being done behind the scenes to get the QEG to the next level and, in the end, get it to stable over unity.  One step at a time.  Anyone who thinks that you can turn the machine on and get to over unity is very misinformed.  There is a great deal of misinformation about the QEG flying around.   Stay tuned for details when we reach the next step.  How long with this take?  It will take as long as it takes, that is the only answer I can provide.

QEG Canada (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC) Warren, tingle all you want....when we get to over unity you can contact me with your apology.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Naima Feagin, the main promoter of this fiasco, must be very misinformed.

Here is a guy that admits that he has no technical background playing the dumb guy with the big ego.  It's just the classic case of glazed-eyed blind belief that it will work.

Kevin challenges someone to apologize to him when they "get to over unity" with the QEG.  In a few months, after he gains some 20-20 hindsight, will Kevin have enough character and humility to make a public admission that the QEG did not achieve over unity and he poured his money and other people's money down the drain?  This would hopefully take place after the Montreal technical team has exhausted all of their options and simply gives up.  Also, will his technical team actually make clips and show results with clearly explained and properly documented power-in and power-out measurements, even if the results aren't good?  Or will all technical reporting be non-existent and they will simply go dark for months?

This will be a real test of Kevin's character, and his team's character.  Will Kevin and the technical team have the guts to make a public admission of the QEG failure?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 14, 2014, 05:24:33 AM
Here are a few Kevin Blundell quotes from the QEG Canada Facebook page from today, just for the record:

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

QEG Canada (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC) resonance does not = over unity.  It is a step in the right direction, a very big one.  Please get your facts straight before you bash with negative energy.

QEG Canada (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC) Resonance is a step that if required before you work towards over unity.  We, and many others, are in the process of pushing the QEG to the next step, which is self running.  Before we can do that, now that we have resonance, we need to fine tune the machine to find its sweet spot (best frequency for resonance).  There is still much to do and it will take time.  There is a great deal of work being done behind the scenes to get the QEG to the next level and, in the end, get it to stable over unity.  One step at a time.  Anyone who thinks that you can turn the machine on and get to over unity is very misinformed.  There is a great deal of misinformation about the QEG flying around.   Stay tuned for details when we reach the next step.  How long with this take?  It will take as long as it takes, that is the only answer I can provide.

QEG Canada (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC) Warren, tingle all you want....when we get to over unity you can contact me with your apology.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Naima Feagin, the main promoter of this fiasco, must be very misinformed.

Here is a guy that admits that he has no technical background playing the dumb guy with the big ego.  It's just the classic case of glazed-eyed blind belief that it will work.

Kevin challenges someone to apologize to him when they "get to over unity" with the QEG.  In a few months, after he gains some 20-20 hindsight, will Kevin have enough character and humility to make a public admission that the QEG did not achieve over unity and he poured his money and other people's money down the drain?  This would hopefully take place after the Montreal technical team has exhausted all of their options and simply gives up.  Also, will his technical team actually make clips and show results with clearly explained and properly documented power-in and power-out measurements, even if the results aren't good?  Or will all technical reporting be non-existent and they will simply go dark for months?

This will be a real test of Kevin's character, and his team's character.  Will Kevin and the technical team have the guts to make a public admission of the QEG failure?

Here is what I say to Kevin:
How is asking for evidence for extraordinary claims "bashing" with "negative energy"? You are being bashed because of the lies you emit, mostly. If you would provide EVIDENCE for your claims you wouldn't get "bashed", you might actually get help.
For example, you state that attaining resonance is a very big step in the "right direction" overunity. WHAT IS YOUR EVIDENCE FOR THIS CLAIM?
You have none at all, other than your belief in the lies emitted by Naima Feagin and her family. Do you? If so, what is your evidence that attaining resonance is a very big step in the right direction? And what about my MicroQEG then, which by YOUR OWN STATEMENTS must be further along that path "in the right direction" since it resonates easily, at its optimum frequency, and produces a greater "OU in VARs" than any QEG has shown. What about that, then? Is this the twelfth FE device I've had sitting before me on my workbench, that I built but am too blind to recognize?

You want an apology when you "reach OU". But I want an apology when you DON'T. But how will we know? After all, the UK build was just hours away from self running, back in the spring, and it is no closer today, in mid October. Let's say, a year from today. If, by November 1 2015, you have not yet  made the QEG run itself --- YOU apologize to EVERYBODY who you have insulted with your cynical posturing and worthless device. And maybe you should even consider returning some of the money you accepted, based on the false claims which I have pointed out to you and which you have acknowledged already.

Let's even put a little money where your beliefs are. How about a little wager? Should you be unable to perform by the end of the one-year period, you can make a thousand dollar donation to your local no-kill pet shelter or neuter-spay program, in the name of Nikola Tesla. And if you DO make a self runner in that time period, I'll do the same, or donate the thousand dollars to any legitimate charity you name. Of course as soon as you make a self running device, money will be worthless, but there it is.
I will even accept Canadian loonies.

I will also bet that you won't accept this wager.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 14, 2014, 05:28:56 AM
Who needs a crank start,-she'll be self starting.
If were going to do it,we have to do one better than the QEGer's.

I have already done so, in a device with no wasteful moving parts. Not only does it self-start and auto-resonate, but it makes a higher COP of "OU in VARs" than any mechanical QEG has actually demonstrated. And it does it silently, and on a shoestring budget.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcGTBA7NoVI (included in the playlist above)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 14, 2014, 05:35:45 AM
Kevin, a person who apparently has no experience building anything, says this:
Quote
Resonance is a step that if required before you work towards over unity.  We, and many others, are in the process of pushing the QEG to the next step, which is self running.  Before we can do that, now that we have resonance, we need to fine tune the machine to find its sweet spot (best frequency for resonance).
(sic)

But I say this: No, resonance is just the opposite. It is _preventing_ you from attaining OU. I have built and tested MANY MANY resonant systems and I've documented some of that building and testing in various places. No resonant system attains anything close to "overunity" performance but they all give ample opportunities for error, like the "OU in VARs" claims for the QEG. So, contrary to your UNSUPPORTED claim that resonance is a required step, I present hours and hours of evidence, apparatus after apparatus, that say just the opposite: Resonance is a killer, you will never attain OU in any resonating system.

Come on, Kevin... .PROVE ME WRONG. Show me some evidence that resonance is a step that "if" required before you work towards over unity. I say you cannot. PROVE ME WRONG.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 14, 2014, 07:29:14 AM
Kevin, a person who apparently has no experience building anything, says this:(sic)

But I say this: No, resonance is just the opposite. It is _preventing_ you from attaining OU. I have built and tested MANY MANY resonant systems and I've documented some of that building and testing in various places. No resonant system attains anything close to "overunity" performance but they all give ample opportunities for error, like the "OU in VARs" claims for the QEG. So, contrary to your UNSUPPORTED claim that resonance is a required step, I present hours and hours of evidence, apparatus after apparatus, that say just the opposite: Resonance is a killer, you will never attain OU in any resonating system.

Come on, Kevin... .PROVE ME WRONG. Show me some evidence that resonance is a step that "if" required before you work towards over unity. I say you cannot. PROVE ME WRONG.
Have you considered coating resonance with AlO3 to:  "Seal in all the goodness."?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tinman on October 14, 2014, 02:47:10 PM
I have already done so, in a device with no wasteful moving parts. Not only does it self-start and auto-resonate, but it makes a higher COP of "OU in VARs" than any mechanical QEG has actually demonstrated. And it does it silently, and on a shoestring budget.

http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcGTBA7NoVI (included in the playlist above)

No No No.
There has to be spinny thing's, AND lights to show the OU output :P-you have to have the light's with spinny thing's that consume power. Without spinny thing's with light's,you have no OU. 8)

For my self running demo on shoe string budget,we will be using a small cooling fan from a PC,some small el'cheapo ceramic disk magnets from the local hobby shop,some super glue,and a small amount of copper wire. Also will need a couple of small pieces of copper plate-cut in the shape of arrow's ,so as the electrons know which way to flow-there a bit silly like that.

So the idea of electron drag power generation,is to have the looping field of the PM's cutting across the copper wire. Then with the magnets rotating,we can drag the electrons through the copper wire,and right into the motor winding's-BUT you must make sure the coils windings are in the center of the north to south magnetic loop,or it just wont work.

Now,if i say this is based around a theory by Nikola Tesla,then everyone should believe in the working principle of the device,and once i show it on youtube,then there can be no doubt it work's-!RIGHT! :D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 15, 2014, 07:17:43 AM
Not even one reply over at the last blog:  http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/10/02/project-hope-rocks-tesla-lives/#respond

This is a sign of her peeps falling out.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 15, 2014, 07:53:27 AM
Separated at birth?

One thing for sure.... If Zappa was still alive he would kick HopeGirl's butt once he knew the whole story.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 15, 2014, 08:59:48 AM
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/594-we-have-resonance#2744


Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man; But will they come when you do call for them?


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: br549 on October 15, 2014, 04:21:05 PM
Thanks, I'll have to read the whole thing, but at the moment, I see this:

Do you see? These ignoramuses say that my MicroQEG is an "obvious fraud"... yet I stand behind what is in that video 100 percent and can prove that everything in it is real and true. The MicroQEG and all of the associated items that I have demonstrated are 100 percent honest and ANYONE with a few dollars and a soldering iron can prove it for themselves. It is not like the "FTW QEG" where the published materials don't correspond to the actual device, the cost huge and the performance not as stated. My MicroQEG is _more real_ than any FTW QEG!

I told you that this would happen: They have a hard time explaining how my MicroQEG isn't OU, but the FTW QEG is... since the only evidence for any "OU" in either device is the VARs measurement, and I get 27 to one instead of a measly 4 or 10 to one like they do, even in VARs improperly calculated.

Once again, and I hope this gets back to the QEG believers: I challenge you, sidhabo,  thusly. My MicroQEG performs exactly as demonstrated in the videos, there is no "fraud" or fakery involved at all. If anyone doubts this they can build it for themselves for less than the cost of dinner and a movie. If they are so incompetent that they can't build and test it themselves, I will gladly send a unit to you or a qualified third party for testing ON THIS CONDITION. If it fails to perform as shown in the videos, I'll apologize publicly and never darken your door again. But if it DOES perform as shown... which it will, the people who have accused me of fraud will apologize publicly to me, loud and clear, and in addition will pay me my regular consulting fee for three days. Call it an even thousand dollars US. And in either case the tester or the accusing party can keep the unit.

But of course that crowd will never back up their claims with anything real. It is such a joke though, that they see my device and call it fake, but they can't tell that the FTW QEG has no hope of duplicating the WITTS fake QEG without cheating, themselves.

TK
I have just started following the QEG research with interest, and would like to say that am both impressed and interested in playing with your Micro-QEG. Is there a circuit available for it, and if so, could you point me in the right direction (where it is located). Normally I would search around and read all of your information presented on the forums and your YouTube channel until I found It, but right now (like a lot of other expermenters and researchers) my lab time is limited to the weekends.
Thank You; for the work that you are doing and for any information.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 15, 2014, 08:14:41 PM
TK
I have just started following the QEG research with interest, and would like to say that am both impressed and interested in playing with your Micro-QEG. Is there a circuit available for it, and if so, could you point me in the right direction (where it is located). Normally I would search around and read all of your information presented on the forums and your YouTube channel until I found It, but right now (like a lot of other expermenters and researchers) my lab time is limited to the weekends.
Thank You; for the work that you are doing and for any information.

Thanks for your interest! The current schematic is attached below. The Zeners shown outside the mosfet symbols are not separate parts, they are the internal body diodes which are usually shown inside the mosfet symbol. That part of the drawing is a "legacy" and is left in as a tribute to the great Little Miss Mosfet.
Have fun!

Some notes:
-Don't operate without the output coil load, you'll blow a mosfet or both, instantly.
-Don't ramp up input power slowly, the oscillator might not start. Simply switch on to a 12 volt source that can deliver 5 amps but is fused at 10 amps. The operating draw will be much less but in the event that the oscillator doesn't start one mosfet will simply conduct all the current you can supply until it fails, hence the 10 amp fuse. Or current limiting PSU of course. Until you are familiar with the operation of the circuit it's a good idea to monitor the oscillation somehow.
-Don't create a groundloop with your instrumentation! You can safely scope across the drains with a scope or meter that is isolated from the input power supply but remember that the circuit common negative is not at the Drains! An interesting way to scope the circuit is to look at each Drain with a scope channel, both referenced to the circuit negative rail. If you do this then you don't have to worry about groundloops back through the power supply.
-You can use many different mosfets in this design, but very low Rdss work best of course and the current capacity must be capable of handling the real currents in the tank which can be 40 amps or more. (The voltages and currents in the tank are very real. It is only the _power_ that is imaginary.) The IRFZ44N or IRF3205 are good choices and if you want to boost the input power you can use IRFP260N for 24 VDC in, along with UF4007 for the diodes instead of 4148s, without modifying the circuit otherwise. The circuit will work with cheap IRF830 as well but at less output power and these mosfets should be fancooled. If you go over 24 VDC input you will need some kind of Gate protection for the mosfets.
-The circuit will also sometimes oscillate with only one operational mosfet. This is another reason for monitoring both mosfet Drains until the bugs are shaken out. If you don't have a scope, check the mosfet temperatures with your fingers and if one is much warmer than the other one, stop and find out why.
-Components are soldered to the copper surface of the board, laid out as below. Feel free to design your own board! Keep the drains-tank circuit-output coil heavy and symmetrical.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: br549 on October 15, 2014, 09:51:36 PM
Thanks for your interest! The current schematic is attached below. The Zeners shown outside the mosfet symbols are not separate parts, they are the internal body diodes which are usually shown inside the mosfet symbol. That part of the drawing is a "legacy" and is left in as a tribute to the great Little Miss Mosfet.
Have fun!

Thanks TK ;
I'm ordering parts.
Have a great day.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 15, 2014, 09:59:35 PM
You're welcome! Keep us posted on your progress!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 17, 2014, 07:30:07 AM
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@joel321
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I'm not trying to talk nonsense, this is all in the history books and on TV shows such as the history channel or NOVA...also in “ancient aliens....

And I will think like you?  :'(  No thanks!
@+

A lot of people think like me, in fact everyone does, even you!!!

Who wants to be rich? = everyone.

Who wants to live a happy life? = everyone.

Who wants to not be insulted? = everyone.

Who wants to feel important? = everyone.

Who wants to have kids and protect them? = everyone.

Who wants to live for ever? = everyone.

Why are we all the same? Because we are all humans. You are just not understanding what I'm trying to say.

Everything is very simple when you take your time to do research and then you will understand how the government like to keep mostly everyone stupid to make money.....is not that the “stupid” are stupid, is just that they are desensitized to only care about money and not enjoy EVOLUTION/KNOWLEDGE.

I'm on your side, you want to be lazy and not work to get FREEE energy right?

You want a QEG for FREEE right?

We all think the same just from different angles, you clown :P. At the end of the road we have the same beliefs.

Get rid of war?

Get rid of poverty?

Get rid of corruption?

Get rid of death?

Increase happiness?

Etc etc etc...that is very very one dimensional human thinking, what you replied to me....I'm pretty sure aliens think the same way or even an ant as I do. You kind of make yourself sound like you are somehow different than me in the thinking as of the rest of humanity?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 17, 2014, 12:14:20 PM
How does it feel to be so irrelevant, Joel?



Just to review.
Here is the compilation video posted by Naima Feagin on July 19, 2014:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9elimG3kN0A

And since then.... nobody has heard anything about the American build, except that it doesn't self run, it doesn't run at 400 Hz, the exciter coil doesn't run at 1.3 MHz, and it doesn't self run. And the first one blew the windings.
And nobody has even heard that much about the Taiwan build. Resonance... then silence.
And the same thing about the Morocco build. Resonance... then everybody goes home and there is no more word from the Morocco build team.
And the same thing from the UK ! "Hours away from Self Running" months ago! And no word whatsoever since then.

Since that compilation we have had some other builds achieving resonance... and vanishing from discussions.

Beware, QEG builders! It seems that attaining resonance isn't such an important step toward OU at all in spite of Kevin Blundell's wishful thinking and proclamations. Rather... it seems to be a death knell for each individual build.  Get Resonance... then go dark and silent.

Why is this happening? Is it because Big Oil has crashed into these workshops and confiscated the prototypes and notes... again? Are the builders driven crazy by their successes? Or are they realizing, after a few runs up to resonance, that that is all there is..... and they slink off with tails tucked, not even having the integrity to report and admit failure?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on October 17, 2014, 07:46:06 PM
Kevin at it again.

If you have not researched or learnt anything about the QEG, you should not inject negative energy.
Otherwise feel free. I have.

in Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCtZ4jr0t-I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCtZ4jr0t-I) and Facebook https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC)

He must be human since he has forgotten to turn comments off. Mine has been there for a couple of hours.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 18, 2014, 12:11:08 AM
@TK

I do not know if you have listened to the latest QEG Canada video from Kevin, its rather long, but one thing that was mentioned (around 24.35s) was that there was a sudden transfer of energy to the lamps connected to the secondary when the spark gap triggered on the primary. For this particular QEG it happened out 3 KV and it killed the resonance in the primary circuit.  What is happening here based on your knowledge of these types of high voltage circuits? I would imagine the collapsing magnetic field due to the sudden short creates a large back EMF which is transferred to the secondary via transformer action. Actually thinking about further, my explanation can not be right as the park gap is limiting the voltage to 3KV.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: gyulasun on October 18, 2014, 12:33:30 AM
Hi Folks,

At be-do.com I've found a post which includes this: (quote) "Resonance ok, no overunity.  Input 2KW, out 0.9kW. What you think?" (unquote)

And the post was already an edited post by the Admin Shean,  I wonder what else may have been asked by the original poster, which was censored.

Here is the link to the post:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/424-hello-from-hungary?start=6#2684

 :) 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 18, 2014, 02:34:03 AM
Hi Folks,

At be-do.com I've found a post which includes this: (quote) "Resonance ok, no overunity.  Input 2KW, out 0.9kW. What you think?" (unquote)

And the post was already an edited post by the Admin Shean,  I wonder what else may have been asked by the original poster, which was censored.

Here is the link to the post:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/424-hello-from-hungary?start=6#2684

 :)

Here is the great secret over at be-do only a select few are privy too.  The fully qualified name is Be-Do-Stifling.

The Stifling is silent 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 18, 2014, 02:51:52 AM
WITTS need not even be explained anymore.  But for both those on the fence deciding and those needing ammo to knock people off the fence, all you need is but read one of the many WITTS foolishness at : http://www.enlightenedtechnology.org/?page_id=1241

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#LABTOURDEMO – LAB TOUR & OVER-UNITY DEMOS
   
Suggested min. donation, $200K USD (PER PERSON)
It is highly necessary that you’ve had a few consultations and you have a deal in place before you have any live demo’s. There is a lot of work that goes into tuning in the demo machines (a team of 12 highly skilled engineers up to 6 months to tune in.) Due to thefts in the past WE DO NOT KEEP THE DEMO MACHINES TUNED IN.


For those reasons, the suggested minimum donation amount may seem high to some people. (These are usually people who have no idea what real scientists and engineers earn.) However, if you count the down time for the whole lab, every time we do a demo and the tuning in time, the amounts are actually a real bargain.


Suggested minimum donation $200k per person. At least 3 Skype consultations are required before setting up a Lab Tour (see item #WSOHC above.)


Covenant Partners of this ministry or an equivalent ministry for one year or more receive 50% off the suggested amount per person. Please allow 6 months lead-time for a standard over-unity demo and lab tour.)

Each person attending, should be a covenant partner for at least those 6 months.


–Please Note: minimum suggested donation amounts are NOT negotiable.


–The demonstrations are all done on glass tables (or in other ways easy to see above, underneath, in back of, and on all sides,) and are therefore very real, and easy to see there are no tricks.


–Demos are very obvious and very convincing.

–Everyone who has seen our demos has been thoroughly convinced! (This donation amount is PER PERSON.)


$200,000. Donation. Lab Tour and Over Unity Demos Gift – #LABTOURDEMO

If you do not possess the intellectual capacity or the olfactory to detect their bull shit, by all means feel free to hand over your money like a fool.

It could all be true.  Last time I check it was about 6 months to train a group of ferrets and lab rats to put big block engine together.  Now we know why WITTS would still be paying for mains power.  They do not keep there demo machines tuned in.  One can guess this is also true for non demo machines.  You see, there is no concern for theft of equipment, but only of equipment that is "TUNED IN".  Equipment they claim to be tasked to aid the world with yet some how at the same time, keep it lock in a cave only to be opened after busting open a bank.

That is a new one for me.  Did not know a donation can be mandatory.  No, sorry, make that not negotiable.  Take note that financials are mentioned 7 times in that quote.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 18, 2014, 03:06:43 AM
That is absolutely hilarious.  A monetary exchange that is mandatory is not a donation.  It is a fee.

I have never checked to see if WITTSless operates under a tax exemption.  If they do, then their fee demand might be very interesting to their state tax board.

The story of 12 engineers is equally hilarious.  Burdened cost of an EE in the USA is typically $200,000 to $300,000 per year.  12 engineers for six months is 6 man years:  $1.2M - $1.8M.  WITTSless are so advanced they cannot even do that basic arithmetic.  And what do their engineers do in the off season when they are not reassembling yesterday's demonstration for tomorrow's dupe?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 18, 2014, 03:19:10 AM
@TK

I do not know if you have listened to the latest QEG Canada video from Kevin, its rather long, but one thing that was mentioned (around 24.35s) was that there was a sudden transfer of energy to the lamps connected to the secondary when the spark gap triggered on the primary. For this particular QEG it happened out 3 KV and it killed the resonance in the primary circuit.  What is happening here based on your knowledge of these types of high voltage circuits? I would imagine the collapsing magnetic field due to the sudden short creates a large back EMF which is transferred to the secondary via transformer action. Actually thinking about further, my explanation can not be right as the park gap is limiting the voltage to 3KV.
I have not watched to that point. As I said before, I don't like it when people look me in the eye and then proceed to lie to me. But since you raise the issue I'll have to go back and see what he says.

If you can show me the actual circuit diagram in use, including component values (coil inductances and capacitor values) I can probably tell you. But the Official Plans, as far as I can tell, only bear a superficial resemblance to what is actually in use by the various "Open Source" teams. So in order to do any kind of proper failure analysis I need to know the actual schematic and component values.

Possibly what happened is that the spark discharged the stored energy in the capacitors and brought the tank down, and perhaps the actual drive frequency wasn't at the rate necessary to re-attain resonance. Recall that the system phase-locks and increased power doesn't change the speed, while the tank is resonating. But once the resonance is killed the rotation rate is no longer phaselocked and may not be of the right frequency to re-initiate the tank's resonance. This is assuming all components and insulation are still intact after the spark event.

But again, this is only speculation. I really need the exact schematic and component values to perform a credible analysis.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on October 18, 2014, 03:58:27 AM
I hear someone will soon be retrofitting mini scooters in Morocco...I believe they're called Half WITTS.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 18, 2014, 05:32:01 AM
Hey! I fired a shot across the bow to our YouTube Spanish friends and even got a response!

I hope you can see my posting because I know YouTube does fancy reordering of posts depending what your cookie says.

Look, I even got an acknowledgment from Johnny Boots!

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Thank you fellow for sharing your data. We all must work together to stop these scams.

Mr. "Unknown Word" has a big following on YouTube.  106,000 views of his clip on the QEG!  He seems pretty smart, BUT, he fell for the QEG scam hook, line, and sinker.

El Increíble Motor QEG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSubCcHYAJM

He does a great "paper talk" on his white board.  I also love his Spanish accent.  I am guessing that it's a Castilan accent but I am not sure.  When I know the context of what is being discussed, I can pretty much follow along.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 18, 2014, 06:29:47 AM
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Just to review.
Here is the compilation video posted by Naima Feagin on July 19, 2014:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9elimG3kN0A

If you see the video at 0:06  http://youtu.be/9elimG3kN0A?t=6s you can clearly see that over unity occurred in less than one second....so the facts are there....it can be done!!! as seen in the video...you saw the light bulbs shine to the point that probably would fail if lit that high for 8 hours?

The point being that 100% the ENERGY goes very high for a “resonance” period of time right, I mean these are facts!!?

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And since then.... nobody has heard anything about the American build, except that it doesn't self run, it doesn't run at 400 Hz, the exciter coil doesn't run at 1.3 MHz, and it doesn't self run. And the first one blew the windings.

Why are you sooooooooooo focused on “self running”? It is ovioous the QEG movement is about reaching that goal....it is obvious WITTS was milking money from people, get over it now and try to understand things as things change...are you so much in need of a QEG? Or are you thinking about building one to help the world?

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And nobody has even heard that much about the Taiwan build. Resonance... then silence.
And the same thing about the Morocco build. Resonance... then everybody goes home and there is no more word from the Morocco build team.
And the same thing from the UK ! "Hours away from Self Running" months ago! And no word whatsoever since then.

Sigh!! Go bytch about to the army not sharing their top secret airplane blue prints with you! WTF are you bytching about? Are you only basing what everyone speaks instead of basing everything on your own personal experiences? We don't hear nicola tesla speaking, but we understand the AC current (at least we understand the basics = there is more to be learned about AC (electricity))....nical just did a lot of futuristic work. How can't you not see that? (of course there are other great minds)

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Since that compilation we have had some other builds achieving resonance... and vanishing from discussions.

What is the “resonance” to print money since life is all about resonating? Lol, open your closed mind!

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Beware, QEG builders! It seems that attaining resonance isn't such an important step toward OU at all in spite of Kevin Blundell's wishful thinking and proclamations. Rather... it seems to be a death knell for each individual build.  Get Resonance... then go dark and silent.

I'm amazed how such intelligent speak about such things....there is like a resentment to this movement....like somehow you just said “NO! IT IS HOW I SAY IT IS SO SHUT UP!” Which is 100% wrong...in 10 years from now QEGs would be all over the place. No big deal since little QEGs are working now.....no one cares what you say man...as a scitific researcher that is!

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Why is this happening? Is it because Big Oil has crashed into these workshops and confiscated the prototypes and notes... again? Are the builders driven crazy by their successes? Or are they realizing, after a few runs up to resonance, that that is all there is..... and they slink off with tails tucked, not even having the integrity to report and admit failure?

You are missing the BIG FACTS, resonance itself gives OVERUNITY. Are you stupid really, (sorry) is not a start shining in the sky gathering “overunity” from the space? Based on how we make light in the earth, all starts are overunity!!! so that facts are there, energy is FREEEEEE 100%...why are you so blinded about that?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 18, 2014, 06:30:05 AM
I have not watched to that point. As I said before, I don't like it when people look me in the eye and then proceed to lie to me. But since you raise the issue I'll have to go back and see what he says.

If you can show me the actual circuit diagram in use, including component values (coil inductances and capacitor values) I can probably tell you. But the Official Plans, as far as I can tell, only bear a superficial resemblance to what is actually in use by the various "Open Source" teams. So in order to do any kind of proper failure analysis I need to know the actual schematic and component values.

Possibly what happened is that the spark discharged the stored energy in the capacitors and brought the tank down, and perhaps the actual drive frequency wasn't at the rate necessary to re-attain resonance. Recall that the system phase-locks and increased power doesn't change the speed, while the tank is resonating. But once the resonance is killed the rotation rate is no longer phaselocked and may not be of the right frequency to re-initiate the tank's resonance. This is assuming all components and insulation are still intact after the spark event.

But again, this is only speculation. I really need the exact schematic and component values to perform a credible analysis.
You are right there is know way to tell want is going on since there is no video record being shared. Not worth spending the time thinking about it. I do not think that the machine if it drops out of phase lock will suddenly dump more energy into the lamps.  But who knows what the transient response they are describing really looks like. I'll post a request for a video showing the effect. I'm using a female pseudonym. A little cross dressing never hurt anybody!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 18, 2014, 06:35:37 AM
@Joel
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If you see the video at 0:06  http://youtu.be/9elimG3kN0A?t=6s (http://youtu.be/9elimG3kN0A?t=6s) you can clearly see that over unity occurred in less than one second....so the facts are there....it can be done!!! as seen in the video...you saw the light bulbs shine to the point that probably would fail if lit that high for 8 hours? The point being that 100% the ENERGY goes very high for a “resonance” period of time right, I mean these are facts!!?
Really mate what you are seeing there is the response of the camera to the sudden brightness of the lights coming on. The camera then adjusts its aperture setting and the lights dim. Are you really, REALLY, that stupid!!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 18, 2014, 06:52:40 AM
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Really mate what you are seeing there is the response of the camera to the sudden brightness of the light coming on. The camera then adjusts its aperture setting and the light dims. Are you really, REALLY, that stupid!!!!

I only judge with my eyes man. I don't understand energy that I cannot see...lol

I'll play along "MATE" is not a light bulb a resistor?

The filament is rated in watts, which is a "fancy" word for it's thickness relating to the vacuum gases inside the incandescent bulb too. BUT!! it still means that the greater the energy, the brighter the bulb.

SO!!! you are telling me that the brightness is only picked up by the video camera VS my eye balls? IOW< my eyeballs would not see a greater shine from the bulbs (resistors) as much as was recorded in a camera? Call me stupid, but video cameras will detect light differences as much as eyeballs...lol

Aside from that, explain to me how a "star" is shining in the sky all alone with no 120/240v AC cord connected to it?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 18, 2014, 06:59:52 AM
If you see the video at 0:06  http://youtu.be/9elimG3kN0A?t=6s (http://youtu.be/9elimG3kN0A?t=6s) you can clearly see that over unity occurred in less than one second....so the facts are there....it can be done!!! as seen in the video...you saw the light bulbs shine to the point that probably would fail if lit that high for 8 hours?
Wrong. No overunity was demonstrated and you cannot make any such judgments based on your perceived brightness of light bulbs in any video taken with a video camera using an automatic shutter/iris setting, nor one without such unless it is calibrated to a known standard. If you want to see brilliant light bulbs that are TRULY lit brighter by a resonating device than by a battery alone, you can look at some of my Wireless Power videos, like this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk
or this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7az00WSZBMw
But you won't see any kind of brightness comparisons or calibrations or actual light power measurements from any FTW QEG builders. Why not? I know why, even if you don't.
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The point being that 100% the ENERGY goes very high for a “resonance” period of time right, I mean these are facts!!?

Wrong again. It has been shown over and over that the most ENERGY that is in a QEG resonating tank is only a few Joules. This is the FACT. Would you like to dispute it with measurements and calculations of your own? Please post your calculations here showing that the "ENERGY goes very high". You have a funny relationship with facts, as we have already seen when we bother to read your posts.
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Why are you sooooooooooo focused on “self running”? It is ovioous the QEG movement is about reaching that goal....it is obvious WITTS was milking money from people, get over it now and try to understand things as things change...are you so much in need of a QEG? Or are you thinking about building one to help the world?
Wrong again. What do you care what I want? I didn't claim that the QEG was a SELF RUNNER in order to collect a hundred and fifty thousand dollars in "donations". I wasn't the one who caused dozens of people all around the world to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on a system that was claimed to SELF RUN. No, that was Naima Feagin, her mother Valerie Robitaille, and James Robitaille himself, who LIED TO THE WORLD about the QEG, saying it would run itself and provide power to run your home, and all you needed was to attain resonance.  Do you think these statements from them were the TRUTH? Or are we now once again in the realm of your made-up "facts"?

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Sigh!! Go bytch about to the army not sharing their secret airplane blue prints! WTF are you bytching about? Are you only basing what everyone speaks instead of basing everything on your own personal experiences? We don't hear nicola tesla speaking, but we understand the AC current (at least we understand the basics = there is more to be learned about AC (electricity)).

What is the “resonance” to print money since life is all about resonating? Lol, open your closed mind!
What are you on? What does the Army have to do with the FTW QEG people telling everyone that their plans were complete and operational, all you need to do is build it, get resonance and it will run itself? Nothing, that's what. It is just another one of your silly diversions that makes no sense and is not related to the real context of this thread.
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I'm amazed how such intelligent speak about such things....there is like a resentment to this movement....like somehow you just said “NO! IT IS HOW I SAY IT IS SO SHUT UP!” Which is 100% wrong...in 10 years from now QEGs would be all over the place. No big deal since little QEGs are working now.....no one cares what you say man...as a scitific researcher that is!
(sic)

Now you are really getting hilarious! You cannot refute me, so you descend into some kind of ranting babble that makes no sense whatsoever... and you emit further false claims along with it. Go ahead, show a "little QEG" that is working, as the FTW people define working: It runs itself, it makes extra power over and above what it takes to run, it can be started with a crank mechanism... etc etc. 
YOU CANNOT !

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You are missing the BIG FACTS, resonance itself gives OVERUNITY. Are you stupid really, (sorry) is not a start shining in the sky gathering “overunity” from the space? Based on how we make light in the earth, all starts are overunity!!! so that facts are there, energy is FREEEEEE 100%...why are you so blinded about that?

Wrong again! You cannot demonstrate the truth of your silly assertion that "resonance itself gives OVERUNITY" because that is a false statement. I think you don't even know what electrical resonance actually is, and if someone asked you to demonstrate resonance in an electronic circuit, you would not be able to do it. Please feel free to PROVE me wrong, by a demonstration of your own, something other than your frantic and silly stream of word salad.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 18, 2014, 07:01:57 AM
Hi Folks,

At be-do.com I've found a post which includes this: (quote) "Resonance ok, no overunity.  Input 2KW, out 0.9kW. What you think?" (unquote)

And the post was already an edited post by the Admin Shean,  I wonder what else may have been asked by the original poster, which was censored.

Here is the link to the post:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/424-hello-from-hungary?start=6#2684 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/424-hello-from-hungary?start=6#2684)

 :)
This is perhaps one of the better builds seen to date. 45% efficiency, not bad. But look here op.iuste.biz/ (http://op.iuste.biz/) the OPPT is right at the top of the page, Ötleteket, javaslatokat várnék, meaning ideas are suggestions are invited. That says it all. They have been working on this since April, got to resonance, now what?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 18, 2014, 07:03:43 AM
(snip) I don't understand energy (snip)

You got that part right, at least.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 18, 2014, 07:16:35 AM
PCB?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 18, 2014, 07:22:16 AM
I only judge with my eyes man. I don't understand energy that I cannot see...lol

I'll play along "MATE" is not a light bulb a resistor?

The filament is rated in watts, which is a "fancy" word for it's thickness relating to the vacuum gases inside the incandescent bulb too. BUT!! it still means that the greater the energy, the brighter the bulb.

SO!!! you are telling me that the brightness is only picked up by the video camera VS my eye balls? IOW< my eyeballs would not see a greater shine from the bulbs (resistors) as much as was recorded in a camera? Call me stupid, but video cameras will detect light differences as much as eyeballs...lol

Aside from that, explain to me how a "star" is shining in the sky all alone with no 120/240v AC cord connected to it?
Joel that sudden brightness of the lamps coming on saturates the image sensor in the camera. Notice how the image away from the lamp darkens. The camera responds by closing down the aperture and the lamps dim and the rest of the image lightens again.  Look at the video of the QEG from Hungary.  You do not see this effect. The lamps suddenly switch on when the machine goes into resonance. Also note that the stated efficiency, by them, of this device is around 45%. That is about as a good as it gets. There will never be any OU. They are asking for ideas of what to do next. There is no magical pool of energy to draw upon to make this device do what HopeGirl says it can do. HopeGirl, Jamie and the rest were deceived by Witts. They took the plans and made them public to raise money for themselves. There is no evidence that Jamie built the machine in the video, We never see it gain. I think this was the Witts QEG. I think Jamie got his hands on his own device for the first time when he went to Taiwan. He blew it up because he had no experience with the QEG before that. They fell for the Witts scam hook line and sinker. Please remember HopeGirl was pushing a different Australian OU device before the QEG. That device fell by the way side too! She has been using crowd funding to rise money for herself and her family for several years now. You have fallen for a con Joel.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 18, 2014, 07:32:40 AM
PCB, I will answers all of your remarks one by one eventually, but why did you not say anything about this?

"Aside from that, explain to me how a "star" is shining in the sky all alone with no 120/240v AC cord connected to it? "

That answer it is required to understand a lot of things.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 18, 2014, 09:50:03 AM
PCB, I will answers all of your remarks one by one eventually, but why did you not say anything about this?

"Aside from that, explain to me how a "star" is shining in the sky all alone with no 120/240v AC cord connected to it? "

That answer it is required to understand a lot of things.

Everyone knows that stars do get their power from 240v extension cords. (At 62.365 Hz) They are obviously very long, and there is high resistance in them because of this but, the stars are powered from coal fired electric plants here on earth.  This was documented and proven way back in 1926.  This is where string theory comes from....the long electric cords are like "strings".  This is proven physics and can not be disputed by any intelligent, educated people.  If you look very close at NASA photos of stars, you can almost see these cords.  The government tried to keep this a secret but, it got out in 1968.  A lot of people do not think we should be powering the stars, and that the money could be better spent here on earth but, we are still doing it.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on October 18, 2014, 10:02:17 AM
@joel321
"Aside from that, explain to me how a "star" is shining in the sky all alone with no 120/240v AC cord connected to it? "
The main word is  "thermonuclear fusion"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermonuclear_fusion
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star#Main_sequence
 - Stars spend about 90% of their existence fusing hydrogen into helium in high-temperature and high-pressure reactions near the core.
Enjoy...

@Pirate88179
I was thinking that string theory was without pratical application (until now!), you just show I was wrong... Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 18, 2014, 03:31:04 PM
I watched most of the new Kevin clip with the interview with Evens.  As can be expected, it's not very confidence inspiring and Evens is wise enough to make no promises.

However.....  Evens talks about himself and the Montreal group of "engineers" making their preliminary observations after they achieved resonance.  They added a spark gap, I believe across the high-voltage primary.  When the spark gap engaged they noticed a little extra bright blip from the light bulb load on the secondary.  They were all puzzled about this, the group of them, and were searching for an explanation.  Naturally Kevin was all excited about this, wanting to believe that it was a "hint" towards unlocking the over unity.  Between the two of them in the interview, the train of thought was that this was a "peek" at the "tremendous untapped energy in the primary resonator" or something like that.

Now what the hell?  A group of technical people and nobody could offer up a theory or an explanation?  The first thing that went through my mind was that the spark gap was quenching the magnetic energy (i.e.; FLUX) in the core.  Any other coils wrapped around the core (like the SECONDARY) will see this rapid drop in magnetic flux and also output a higher voltage pulse than normal.  That's the kind of thing that comes to my mind in REAL TIME as I hear it, and these "engineers" are all befuddled and can't explain it?

Naturally, these comments would have to be verified on the bench but I am highly confident that it would be a slam-dunk.

A simple very similar example is the "Leedskalnin Perpetual Motion Holder" (I hate that term) where the experimenter has a coil of wire wrapped around the magnetic circuit, and the coil is connected to a small light bulb load.  When the experimenter breaks the magnetic circuit the light bulb flashes for exactly the same reason.  I am pretty sure that Russ did a clip like this a year or two ago.

Now, assuming that I am correct, that leaves the "Montreal engineering team" in the same class as "bench artist" Jamie himself.  In other words, haplessly trying to figure things out without the knowledge and skills and experience to get anywhere.  Just a bunch of spinning wheels going nowhere pretending that they know what they are doing.  It's just another depressing milestone in this miserable journey.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on October 18, 2014, 07:20:21 PM
The QEG as it presently exists is unimpressive in its
efficiency.  What it obviously needs is a single turn
winding at each end of the rotor, very low resistance
heavy gauge wire.  Then it would at least more closely
resemble an 'induction generator' and perhaps show
some increase in efficiency.

In fact, a side by side comparison with an improvised
induction generator made from an induction motor
might reveal some clues.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 18, 2014, 11:03:54 PM
I watched most of the new Kevin clip with the interview with Evens.  As can be expected, it's not very confidence inspiring and Evens is wise enough to make no promises.

However.....  Evens talks about himself and the Montreal group of "engineers" making their preliminary observations after they achieved resonance.  They added a spark gap, I believe across the high-voltage primary.  When the spark gap engaged they noticed a little extra bright blip from the light bulb load on the secondary.  They were all puzzled about this, the group of them, and were searching for an explanation.  Naturally Kevin was all excited about this, wanting to believe that it was a "hint" towards unlocking the over unity.  Between the two of them in the interview, the train of thought was that this was a "peek" at the "tremendous untapped energy in the primary resonator" or something like that.

Now what the hell?  A group of technical people and nobody could offer up a theory or an explanation?  The first thing that went through my mind was that the spark gap was quenching the magnetic energy (i.e.; FLUX) in the core.  Any other coils wrapped around the core (like the SECONDARY) will see this rapid drop in magnetic flux and also output a higher voltage pulse than normal.  That's the kind of thing that comes to my mind in REAL TIME as I hear it, and these "engineers" are all befuddled and can't explain it?

Naturally, these comments would have to be verified on the bench but I am highly confident that it would be a slam-dunk.

A simple very similar example is the "Leedskalnin Perpetual Motion Holder" (I hate that term) where the experimenter has a coil of wire wrapped around the magnetic circuit, and the coil is connected to a small light bulb load.  When the experimenter breaks the magnetic circuit the light bulb flashes for exactly the same reason.  I am pretty sure that Russ did a clip like this a year or two ago.

Now, assuming that I am correct, that leaves the "Montreal engineering team" in the same class as "bench artist" Jamie himself.  In other words, haplessly trying to figure things out without the knowledge and skills and experience to get anywhere.  Just a bunch of spinning wheels going nowhere pretending that they know what they are doing.  It's just another depressing milestone in this miserable journey.
@MH. If you look back on the last page you will see I made a very similar set of comments and gave the same explanation as to the momentary increase in lamp brightness. However, I do not think this can be correct as I assume that the spark gap limits the rise in potential (back emf from collapsing mag field) to 3kV. What about a sudden change transient change in the impedance of the primary coil?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 18, 2014, 11:43:16 PM
PCB:

Thanks, I tuned out of the last page or so because of the Joel gibberish so I went back and saw your comment.  As others have said, the true explanation for what takes place would require a schematic and a full timing analysis.  But let me restate my possible explanation in another way.

For starters, it doesn't matter if you have increasing flux increasing a coil voltage output, or decreasing flux increasing a coil voltage output.  The only thing that counts is the rate of change of the flux with respect to time.  i.e.; shorting the primary coil from the spark gap event rapidly decreases the magnetic energy in the core and other "agents" (coils) want to parasitically "take advantage" of that event.  So the basic premise is that the spark gap engages and creates a very low resistance quasi short circuit across the primary.  That creates a rapid decrease in the flux through the core.  Any other coils wrapped around the core will also see that flux change and hence produce an increased voltage output.  So it's almost like the secondary coil is "hitching a ride" on the spark gap event.

In more basic technical terms, lets say you have a core with AC flux going through it provided by a separate drive coil and three pick-up coils wrapped around the core, L1, L2, and L3.  Each one of those coils has a load resistance R1, R2, and R3.   So the question is where does the AC power go?  Each coil + load resistor coil will have an associated AC impedance.  The lowest AC impedance will dissipate more power than the highest AC impedance.  The source power is split or cut into three loads, like three pie slices.  The same thing will apply to the QEG between the spark gap load and associated primary coils and the light bulb load and associated secondary coils.

Going back to the QEG and the Montreal group, the spark gap event is simply an AC transient event that initiates the dissipation of the energy in the core.  The energy in the core is split into two pie slices, one slice goes to the spark gap event, the other slice goes to the light bulb load.

So you can see the analysis "forgets" about various external events in a sense.  The only thing that you need to know is the spark gap event starts to rapidly suck the magnetic energy out of the core and the secondary coils that drive the light bulb load "parasitically" take advantage of that fact and grab their own slice of the available energy.

Now of course you have the rotating QEG rotor redirecting the flux in the core, bla, bla, bla.  So the actual timing analysis could be done to confirm the "top level" explanation for what is happening to cause the light bulbs to momentarily increase in brightness.  Sorry for the long-winded pedantic explanation but perhaps that will help some of the noteworthy lurkers out there.

Speaking of timing analysis, in the interview Evens expresses some frustration in getting a full understanding of the timing analysis of the QEG.  What the hell one more time?  I actually discussed how to make a proper timing analysis of the QEG months ago on this thread.  Doing a full timing analysis of the QEG should be a no-brainer.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 18, 2014, 11:50:36 PM

@Pirate88179
I was thinking that string theory was without pratical application (until now!), you just show I was wrong... Thanks  :)

You are very welcome Sir, I am always glad to try to help when I can. (Grin)

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 19, 2014, 01:30:32 AM
PCB:

Thanks, I tuned out of the last page or so because of the Joel gibberish so I went back and saw your comment.  As others have said, the true explanation for what takes place would require a schematic and a full timing analysis.  But let me restate my possible explanation in another way.

For starters, it doesn't matter if you have increasing flux increasing a coil voltage output, or decreasing flux increasing a coil voltage output.  The only thing that counts is the rate of change of the flux with respect to time.  i.e.; shorting the primary coil from the spark gap event rapidly decreases the magnetic energy in the core and other "agents" (coils) want to parasitically "take advantage" of that event.  So the basic premise is that the spark gap engages and creates a very low resistance quasi short circuit across the primary.  That creates a rapid decrease in the flux through the core.  Any other coils wrapped around the core will also see that flux change and hence produce an increased voltage output.  So it's almost like the secondary coil is "hitching a ride" on the spark gap event.

In more basic technical terms, lets say you have a core with AC flux going through it provided by a separate drive coil and three pick-up coils wrapped around the core, L1, L2, and L3.  Each one of those coils has a load resistance R1, R2, and R3.   So the question is where does the AC power go?  Each coil + load resistor coil will have an associated AC impedance.  The lowest AC impedance will dissipate more power than the highest AC impedance.  The source power is split or cut into three loads, like three pie slices.  The same thing will apply to the QEG between the spark gap load and associated primary coils and the light bulb load and associated secondary coils.

Going back to the QEG and the Montreal group, the spark gap event is simply an AC transient event that initiates the dissipation of the energy in the core.  The energy in the core is split into two pie slices, one slice goes to the spark gap event, the other slice goes to the light bulb load.

So you can see the analysis "forgets" about various external events in a sense.  The only thing that you need to know is the spark gap event starts to rapidly suck the magnetic energy out of the core and the secondary coils that drive the light bulb load "parasitically" take advantage of that fact and grab their own slice of the available energy.

Now of course you have the rotating QEG rotor redirecting the flux in the core, bla, bla, bla.  So the actual timing analysis could be done to confirm the "top level" explanation for what is happening to cause the light bulbs to momentarily increase in brightness.  Sorry for the long-winded pedantic explanation but perhaps that will help some of the noteworthy lurkers out there.

Speaking of timing analysis, in the interview Evens expresses some frustration in getting a full understanding of the timing analysis of the QEG.  What the hell one more time?  I actually discussed how to make a proper timing analysis of the QEG months ago on this thread.  Doing a full timing analysis of the QEG should be a no-brainer.

MileHigh
That sounds like a reasonable explanation. The amazing thing to me is that these so called engineers look to "other world" explanations. Every elec eng knows that a fast collapsing mag field will lead create a voltage spike. I just spent yesterday afternoon working on my Ford 4000 tractor, and replaced the entire ignition system: contact breakers, cap, inductance coil, spark gap (Plugs); found no OU though.

Hey new posting on be-do: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/548-qeg-and-induction-generator-hybrid (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/548-qeg-and-induction-generator-hybrid)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 19, 2014, 07:40:08 AM
The QEG as it presently exists is unimpressive in its
efficiency.  What it obviously needs is a single turn
winding at each end of the rotor, very low resistance
heavy gauge wire.  Then it would at least more closely
resemble an 'induction generator' and perhaps show
some increase in efficiency.

In fact, a side by side comparison with an improvised
induction generator made from an induction motor
might reveal some clues.
I pointed out the same thing quite some time ago, although I didn't specifically mention the shunt winding. And I also pointed out the reason that it doesn't work, and that is that the variation in inductance experienced in most small induction motors is too small to allow the parametric pumping to resonance to happen. That is, losses in the system are not overcome, because you might be going from 100 mH to 120 mH or so as the rotor spins past the pole pieces, whereas the QEG goes from something like 20 H to 30 H and back.
However it is easy to see that the induction motor will act as an AC generator when it's spun by an external source of mechanical power. Just not a very strong one, because of the rotor geometry, the shunts, and the small change in inductance.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 19, 2014, 07:47:34 AM
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Speaking of timing analysis, in the interview Evens expresses some frustration in getting a full understanding of the timing analysis of the QEG.  What the hell one more time?  I actually discussed how to make a proper timing analysis of the QEG months ago on this thread.  Doing a full timing analysis of the QEG should be a no-brainer.

Don't you get it yet, MH? Just as with Rossi, and Steorn before him, any real scientific analysis of the device reveals too much! Therefore you will _never_ see a real scientific analysis of the QEG from any of the proponents like Kevin Blundell. Some builders with more integrity may eventually publish such analyses but of course "They built their QEG wrong, and they are paid shills of the PTB anyway".  How many teams are there who have achieved resonance in their QEG systems? A dozen, perhaps, and we know that all builders who persist and who don't electrocute themselves or blow core windings will achieve resonance. But how many actual reports of proper power in-power out measurements have you seen? Three?  One? NONE?  Do the math (tm RA) ....   ;D

Kevin has had a lot of very good advice, which he chooses to ignore without even considering it, apparently.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 19, 2014, 07:59:26 AM
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The main word is  "thermonuclear fusion

Who cares what the main word is....I could call it poopiepoododdle...the fact of the mater is that it is an UNKNOWN force that is pooping starts all over the outer space toilet.

Those starts are just 1Watt light buld and 40watt light bulb and even there may be other start in the light spectrum that our animal eyes cannot see....or starts tooooooooooooooooooooooooooo far away that their light has not reached us yet! Simple Simple Simple to understand.

The main point is that it is a fact that light bulbs are floating around “dark matter” and they are gathering their energy for free from the “dark matter”... of course they are connected in the molecular level, that is 100% meaning that there is a hoover damb generator in the universe that is fueling them...plain and simple...DONE! 100% facts that FREEE energy exploded (came in to being) to fuel our milky way for billions of years and energy is being still fed....

If we look in the micro world, what! You are going to tell me that there is a micro hoover damn fueling the molecules to keep on moving? A proton circulating around a nucleus is just a mini QEG, a mini star that does not glow? Just a stupid molecule dancing around like a dumb ass wasting energy with no purpose?

I find it funny how you are referring to wikipedia  and not using your own brain to explain the unknown lol.

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Stars spend about 90% of their existence fusing hydrogen into helium in high-temperature and high-pressure reactions near the core.
Enjoy...

uhu uhu uhuh.....that explained where they are getting their energy...right? Besides that, explained how they are a GEOMETRICAL circle...and “floating” in the blanket of space? Who created life as a geometrical way of being...positive and negative? With out the other, things cancel out!!!! so the starts can be called positive and the dark matter can be called negative, the same principle is in a double A battery...is it not? The same principle is in magnetism....north pole south pole...yar yar yar...

I already mentioned that our current technology is very ancient since thousands of years ago. And through out these thousands of years, little steps have been happening....what makes you think that you are at the end of the stepping? Like if for some reason, 100 years from now, things would be as you think right now? Lol what a dork!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 19, 2014, 08:03:25 AM
I only judge with my eyes man. I don't understand energy that I cannot see...lol

I'll play along "MATE" is not a light bulb a resistor?

The filament is rated in watts, which is a "fancy" word for it's thickness relating to the vacuum gases inside the incandescent bulb too. BUT!! it still means that the greater the energy, the brighter the bulb.

SO!!! you are telling me that the brightness is only picked up by the video camera VS my eye balls? IOW< my eyeballs would not see a greater shine from the bulbs (resistors) as much as was recorded in a camera? Call me stupid, but video cameras will detect light differences as much as eyeballs...lol

Aside from that, explain to me how a "star" is shining in the sky all alone with no 120/240v AC cord connected to it?

Then you need to get your eyes checked.  By the way Naima, Hope, whatever,  Y u no get much $ dis time round?

You are correct, in 10 years qegs will be all over the place.  I suggest you buy a sturdy umbrella before hand.  Ever heard of the term "hitting the fan"?

@PCB
What I tell you.  Some define resonance by the simple illumination of a bulb.  Very sad really.  Some even take the leap of defining over unity just the same.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 19, 2014, 08:35:12 AM
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Everyone knows that stars do get their power from 240v extension cords. (At 62.365 Hz) They are obviously very long, and there is high resistance in them because of this but, the stars are powered from coal fired electric plants here on earth.  This was documented and proven way back in 1926.  This is where string theory comes from....the long electric cords are like "strings".  This is proven physics and can not be disputed by any intelligent, educated people.  If you look very close at NASA photos of stars, you can almost see these cords.  The government tried to keep this a secret but, it got out in 1968.  A lot of people do not think we should be powering the stars, and that the money could be better spent here on earth but, we are still doing it.

Bill

Hey bill you are one funny skunk that will get ran over by a gasoline engine car eventually. Lol

Lets keep it simple...lets think of everything being an OCEAN. Water (of course) air, light, sound, taste....are all oceans. The universe is an ocean where things swim aroun in a place with no gravity...heck, there may be may gravity attention whores out there...lol Get it? And not only that, they are only making the starts shine because they have consciousness that they need to make a start shine....is not because she has tits, it's just because it is encoded. Just like humans are encoded to reproduce. Blah blah blah...

Back to the “ocean” analogy, it's just energy traveling through air, water, vacuum, walls, gold, silver, diamonds, dark matter, energy is raveling through out all over for FREEE.

The only reason there are thousands of fishing boats is because they make little money.....the only reason that there are not thousandths of Hoover damns is because they won;t allow it....lol...pretty simple shyt!

At any rate, I find it weird that you talk about Hertz with out figuring out where they came from....like you don't questions where the vibration laws came from? I understand, it is easy to just focus on the human “laws” (the present) but the fact of the matter is that the frequencies are already there since the turtle was carying the earth on it's back!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 19, 2014, 08:42:16 AM
I did it!  Send me mega bucks so I can fleece the world.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tinman on October 19, 2014, 11:16:07 AM
Holt the fort.
LifeHack2012 had the answer all along-no QEG needed any more.
Honest-it's on youtube :D



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PveeXv9WCE
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 19, 2014, 11:38:55 AM
Holt the fort.
LifeHack2012 had the answer all along-no QEG needed any more.
Honest-it's on youtube :D



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3PveeXv9WCE
It's on You Tube:  It couldn't be fake!!!  It could not be that there is an RF rectifier in the motor case:  no, no, no.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tinman on October 19, 2014, 11:59:16 AM
It's on You Tube:  It couldn't be fake!!!  It could not be that there is an RF rectifier in the motor case:  no, no, no.
No Mark-no RF rectifier in the motor-and that much is true lol-it would have to be one hell of an RF signal to run a motor anyway.Also,i dont think the coil would recieve much of that RF being submurged in such a strong magnetic field.. There is no induction coil hideing under the bench,it works another way-but how? ::)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 19, 2014, 01:11:09 PM
There are several ways to do the fake.  There was one similar to this one where one of the clip leads touched the motor case acting like a switch to a battery that was inside the motor case with one terminal touching the case.

I am partial to RF for these kinds of ruses.  A static magnetic field has no effect at all on RF.   To the extent that the magnets are conductive they will shield the coil from outside RF. 

There was a really neat ruse where the guy set-up LEDs and switches where the apparent operation of the switches made no sense.  What he had done was wire little RF traps under each red LED and then concealed that with red nail polish.  Each switch shunted a corresponding trap.  When the switch was open RF at the trap frequency would radiate and the corresponding trap on one of the receiving LED/trap combinations would capture enough of the radiated power to cause the LED to light up.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TheCell on October 19, 2014, 01:17:51 PM
@tinman
In which direction are the neodyms magnetized? North South going through the coil diametrically?
Chose as a load another coil connected with long wires to the FE coil. And position a compass nearby showing the needle is attracted and does not move.RF fields don't generate DC current.
Are the number of turns , or winding direction , or other tings important?

I tried the setup long before with one neodym from an old harddisk an it did not work.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tinman on October 19, 2014, 01:28:16 PM
@tinman
In which direction are the neodyms magnetized? North South going through the coil diametrically?
Chose as a load another coil connected with long wires to the FE coil. And position a compass nearby showing the needle is attracted and does not move.RF fields don't generate DC current.
Are the number of turns , or winding direction , or other tings important?

I tried the setup long before with one neodym from an old harddisk an it did not work.
There is no point in building this device Cell-as i pointed out at the end of the video-your wasteing your time. This was to show how LifeHack2012(and many others) can make things look as though they work-they do not,and nor dose my replication. There are some here that will work out how it was done,and it really wasnt that hard. When you watch any of my video's,just listen carfully at the end,because if it is a non working device,i will say-dont waste your time,just as i did in this video.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 19, 2014, 05:28:48 PM
I did it!  Send me mega bucks so I can fleece the world.


Holy cow!  Nice work.  This will be an incredible advance in transportation.  I always figured something like this might be possible but I had no idea how to do it.  Your method is so simple and, it works.  The real test is to see if it works in Morocco.  Where can I donate?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tinman on October 20, 2014, 02:43:05 PM

There was a really neat ruse where the guy set-up LEDs and switches where the apparent operation of the switches made no sense.  What he had done was wire little RF traps under each red LED and then concealed that with red nail polish.  Each switch shunted a corresponding trap.  When the switch was open RF at the trap frequency would radiate and the corresponding trap on one of the receiving LED/trap combinations would capture enough of the radiated power to cause the LED to light up.
I remember that neat trick-TK gave me the link. But i could never work out how he did it-until now that is ::) . Never even gave that a thought Mark-cheers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 20, 2014, 11:49:43 PM
I posted this on the new YouTube clip from Kevin:

<<<
Kevin, at the beginning of the clip you say to "do the research" before you prejudge the viability of the QEG.  So I ask you here:  Precisely what research?  Can you post some links or indicate where you can find information on how and why the QEG will be an over unity device?  I will tell you right now that WITTS is a dead-end, they are not credible.  Name dropping "Tesla" will not cut it either.  I am asking you for some solid information.
Please, what research are you talking about in order to understand the QEG?
>>>

Plus I gave Kevin an "Easter Egg."  I posted my possible explanation for the light bulb brightness increase also.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 21, 2014, 04:59:38 AM
I remember that neat trick-TK gave me the link. But i could never work out how he did it-until now that is ::) . Never even gave that a thought Mark-cheers.
Henryk Gasperowicz, somebody who _really_ knows his stuff:

 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNAAxVKWPAbaZiB90_kjDJw
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 21, 2014, 06:16:30 AM
Henryk Gasperowicz, somebody who _really_ knows his stuff:

 
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNAAxVKWPAbaZiB90_kjDJw (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNAAxVKWPAbaZiB90_kjDJw)

I like how he powers 4 leds using his hands.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 21, 2014, 07:10:04 AM
Wow, I looked at just one Henryk Gasperowicz clip and the guy is awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAFFwhv84W4&list=UUNAAxVKWPAbaZiB90_kjDJw

The only way I can think of doing it is to have four separate RF sources at different frequencies and separate matching RF catchers on each LED.  Then the enabling and disabling of the RF sources has to be precisely synchronized with the flipping of the switches.  That sounds too complicated and I suspect that he is doing it some other way, but how I have no clue.

More thinking.....

Unless... embedded in each switch there is an high-frequency generator (not RF) and tiny tuned receivers in each LED.  I notice that he is using a 9-volt battery and there are four LEDs.  So he has more than enough voltage drop to play with to power the generators inside each switch.  So the single wire has DC power going through it and up to four switchable high-frequency carrier signals to power the four LEDs.  Any DC power has to be at a low enough current level to not light the LEDs.

I note that the LEDs look pretty "naked" though.... no sign of a teenie-weenie tuned receiver on the back of each LED.

Like I said, the guy is awesome and I do not have a definitive answer.  If this guy went to the free energy "dark side" he could make some serious money.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tinman on October 21, 2014, 07:42:35 AM
I think this is a worthy challenge.
I will have to have a think about this.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 21, 2014, 08:00:49 AM
He shows how he does it in this clip. Installing the RF filters inside the LEDs is shown at around 4 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KMLmpC7-Ls
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on October 21, 2014, 08:01:11 AM
Hmmm.

Well, with the proper video editor and appropriate skills
anything is possible...

Even 'miracles.'

Although, it does appear that he chose the more complex
electronic solutions.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 21, 2014, 10:54:02 PM
TK:

Thanks for the link.  Pretty amazing to see him drill into an LED and then cover it up with "sealing wax."

Going back to the QEG, I posted two comments on Kevin's latest clip, the legitimate question about "doing the research before you say it's a scam" and the possible explanation for the light bulbs brightening when the spark gap engages.  When I look at the clip when I am logged into YouTube, I see my comments.  When I am not logged into YouTube the comments are not there.  I am guessing that this is a YouTube feature where you can delete comments from people while deceiving the same people that their comments are still there.

Poor Kevin and Evens are the late arrivals at the party, but in fact the party never even started.  Meanwhile Evens is being paid by some company in China to develop the QEG.  Assuming that is true and there is a deluded Chinese industrialist spending all of this money, that has to eventually break.  I would guess maximum two or three more months and then Evens will get booted out of China with nothing delivered and a very unhappy Chinese industrialist with many doorstops to use in his mansion.

There is a little bit of poetic justice in that the crowd begging campaigns are a bust.  Clearly the vast majority of people have had enough and the sun is setting on this complete and utter nonsense.

The only question as many have already stated is what new "recipe" will HopeNeedsYourCashGirl dream up to suck in even more money.  If she starts a whole new crowd funding campaign next year and it is obviously a bogus con job then it should be nipped in the bud.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 21, 2014, 11:11:15 PM
TK:

Thanks for the link.  Pretty amazing to see him drill into an LED and then cover it up with "sealing wax."

Going back to the QEG, I posted two comments on Kevin's latest clip, the legitimate question about "doing the research before you say it's a scam" and the possible explanation for the light bulbs brightening when the spark gap engages.  When I look at the clip when I am logged into YouTube, I see my comments.  When I am not logged into YouTube the comments are not there.  I am guessing that this is a YouTube feature where you can delete comments from people while deceiving the same people that their comments are still there.

Poor Kevin and Evens are the late arrivals at the party, but in fact the party never even started.  Meanwhile Evens is being paid by some company in China to develop the QEG.  Assuming that is true and there is a deluded Chinese industrialist spending all of this money, that has to eventually break.  I would guess maximum two or three more months and then Evens will get booted out of China with nothing delivered and a very unhappy Chinese industrialist with many doorstops to use in his mansion.

There is a little bit of poetic justice in that the crowd begging campaigns are a bust.  Clearly the vast majority of people have had enough and the sun is setting on this complete and utter nonsense.

The only question as many have already stated is what new "recipe" will HopeNeedsYourCashGirl dream up to suck in even more money.  If she starts a whole new crowd funding campaign next year and it is obviously a bogus con job then it should be nipped in the bud.

MileHigh

Are you talking about this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCtZ4jr0t-I

Yes, I see only three comments, not yours. So you are right, I think: Google/YouTube is lying to us. This explains some other "anomalous" comments and replies that I have seen on my own videos as well.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 21, 2014, 11:22:04 PM
Yes, here is the screen cap that I see when I am logged into YouTube.

Note that this is a feature that may have been developed as a kind of safety measure for people running their YouTube channels.  If some unbalanced commenter is going to get very irate that you are deleting their comments, then you can delete them for everyone except the commenter.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 21, 2014, 11:47:20 PM
@MH: What is cause, and what is effect? Is it possible that the spark gap "engages" when the bulbs brighten due to more exact resonance? Rather than the bulbs brightening because of the spark gap.....

Again, without knowing the exact circuit and component values being tested, it's all hand-waving and subjective reporting on Blundell's part.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 22, 2014, 01:13:08 AM
TK:

That's an excellent point about cause vs. effect.  I honestly didn't even think about that issue.  It just goes to show how much our unconscious biases can influence our thinking and can lead us down a garden path.  I have used that term a lot on the Quanta Magnetics threads and you can see how I am also subject to that problem.

So when I thought about the issue some more, I sill conclude that the spark gap engaging is the cause of the light bulbs brightening and not vice-versa.  The reasoning is that the spark gap is close to being "on edge" most of the time, and triggers quasi randomly when a very slight increase in potential starts to rip the air molecules apart.  So it's only a very tiny differential increase in potential that triggers the avalanche.  That very tiny increase would not be seen in the light bulbs.  In contrast, once the spark gap engages then the huge change in flux in the core starts and that is taken advantage of by the secondary coils.

Even though I led myself down a garden path by not thinking it through, I think that aspect has been covered now.  Beyond that, I was lucid enough to originally state that everything still had to be verified on the bench... and it still does.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 22, 2014, 01:40:22 AM
@MH:
Well, this is exceedingly strange. As I said earlier I looked at the video and didn't see your comments, only the three. But I left the page open. And I just now got back from walking my dog, and when I turned the monitor back on, I see that page... _WITH_ your comments, and with Kevin's quite reasonable responses.  Very weird.
Perhaps your comments were simply waiting approval before showing up. I str a YT option for that. Did you see a "waiting for approval" notice when you originally posted the comments?

Now, as to the subject matter: Yes, and no. Depending on where the SG is in the circuit, it could provide tickles just above and below the gap trigger voltage as you describe, or it could provide a path for nearly complete discharge of the capacitor bank. And it could discharge the caps into the bulbs, for all I know: this is why we need the exact schematic that is in use during that test.
When a SG triggers, the spark itself is a highly conductive plasma. So if there is a good amount of energy behind the gap, like with a capacitor bank, when the gap overvolts the "spark" that forms is a power arc, however brief, and most of the energy in the cap bank can be shorted through the power arc plasma in the gap.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 22, 2014, 02:06:42 AM
TK:

Yes, I saw the comments after your posting.  I give Kevin credit for his response.

Yes to your yes and no.  One more time, I was not really thinking about the capacitor bank, another slip.  So indeed the data is incomplete and you need the schematic.  It feels like I am slipping into the "pseudo tech circuit talk" that I myself often complain about.

It's also a pity that there is not a single comprehensive public timing diagram for from any group for this "open source" project, starting from Jamie on downwards.  As I have stated many times in the past, even with an old two-channel analog scope, if you roll up your shirtsleeves and are willing to do the work, you could produce a 16-channel timing diagram if you wanted to.  You could plot the actual magnetic flux through each quadrant of the core by just doing a hand sketch using "eyeball integration" of the waveforms from your sensor coils.  With that you could make some pretty good inferences of the flux going through the spinning rotor itself, and put that on your timing diagram also.  It's really a shame, about eight months into this project and not a single credible timing diagram from anybody.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 22, 2014, 03:51:29 AM
Well, I did a huge dump of information about how to make a timing diagram for the QEG at resonance when driving a light bulb load on Kevin's YouTube clip.   I talked about how to analyze it, the whole nine yards.  He said that he would forward my previous posting to his engineering group so I said what the hell and I went all out.  I don't know if it will do any good.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 22, 2014, 04:56:09 AM
Well, I did a huge dump of information about how to make a timing diagram for the QEG at resonance when driving a light bulb load on Kevin's YouTube clip.   I talked about how to analyze it, the whole nine yards.  He said that he would forward my previous posting to his engineering group so I said what the hell and I went all out.  I don't know if it will do any good.
Kevin tells a story that I find convincing as far as what he believes.  The evidence against those beliefs is massive.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 22, 2014, 06:12:43 AM
Changing subject a little bit, and getting back to reactive power, have you guys see this video (may have already been posted here, but was posted on be-do recently):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUChl7zRzTA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUChl7zRzTA)


Actually this might be their patent http://www.google.com/patents/WO2011101512A1?cl=es

They use the definition power = VIQ where Q is the quality factor X/R. In the demo they power a bunch of fluorescence lights, and capture the reactive power produced by the load and convert it to real power driving a separate parallel string of incandescent lamps.  I've not sure what the Q of an fluorescence light is?

Did some digging and found this rather old patent http://www.google.com/patents/US4717995 (http://www.google.com/patents/US4717995), not sure if there is any relevancy other than being by the same inventor.

and this http://electricpowermultiplier.blogspot.com/ (http://electricpowermultiplier.blogspot.com/)

and it seems this device may have been discussed here back in December last year http://www.overunity.com/14106/reactive-power-reactive-generator-research-from-gotoluc-discussion-thread/180/#.VEc1TfldUzo (http://www.overunity.com/14106/reactive-power-reactive-generator-research-from-gotoluc-discussion-thread/180/#.VEc1TfldUzo)

Looks like Evan has flown out to meet these guys https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.744719685584790.1073741831.680750941981665&type=1 (https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.744719685584790.1073741831.680750941981665&type=1) Some good shots here of what is inside the big box.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 22, 2014, 06:40:40 AM
Changing subject a little bit, and getting back to reactive power, have you guys see this video (may have already been posted here, but was posted on be-do recently):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUChl7zRzTA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUChl7zRzTA)

They use the definition power = VIQ where Q is the quality factor X/R. In the demo they power a bunch of fluorescence lights, and capture the reactive power produced by the load and convert it to real power driving a separate parallel string of incandescent lamps.  I've not sure what the Q of an fluorescence light is?
Their "discovery" is that they can bamboozle people by ignoring vector math.  It's pathetic.
For a pure sine wave source, the "old knowledge" of PREAL = V*I*cos(theta) happens also to be absolutely correct.  Their "discovery" where they declare P = V*I*|ZL|/R is nonsense.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 22, 2014, 06:53:44 AM
Throughout this entire boondoggle both James and Hopefunds have put on the air of the unreachable rock star. More so on James's behalf. Brings up the questions if James is real or CGI. We can get a hold even if just by computer and see the presence of Mark Dansie, Zerofossilfuel, RWG, and a host of other energy enthusiast See their comments, post on forums, and recordings. But James, no...... You get to see him once every 30 days. When you do, its just a glimpse from the corner of your eye seconds from the stroke of midnight. And off he goes back up the chimney.

Other then Shean and Larry over at be-do forwarding messages from location-X, I have yet from any forum possesing qeg as a topic, any comment on youtube, any blog, seen his screen name or alias that of. Maybe its just hidden behind the glare Hopegolddigger tries to cast for herself.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 22, 2014, 06:56:43 AM
He shows how he does it in this clip. Installing the RF filters inside the LEDs is shown at around 4 minutes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KMLmpC7-Ls

That is why you never trust a demo with LEDs other than size 0603 :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 22, 2014, 10:44:54 PM
Okay so I did my big technical multi-posting on Kevin's YouTube clip and there is a follow up.

Here is Kevin's reply:

<<<
+Kevin Blundell can you please contact me direct at qegcanada@gmail.com? I have passed on your comments to the lead researchers and they want to talk to you.  Also, they will give you access to all of the tech data.... and, they told me that you are exactly correct and they are aware of all that you have stated here...you are on the same page as them.
>>>

My response:

<<<
Hi Kevin,  I have a counter-proposal for you and your team's consideration.  I am MileHigh on overunity.com.  The thread on the QEG is called, "Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)."  Honestly, over the months the thread has been a mixture of technical analysis of the QEG and harsh criticism of the QEG itself and of Fix the World.  However, at this point in time the thread has petered out and not much is happening.  There is nothing to be gained by repeating stuff that has already been stated.  Now there are some really good technical people on overunity.com.  At this point in time, I am pretty confident that this good group of people would be willing to engage with your technical team in order to assist them in their analysis of the QEG.  Naturally I can't tell anyone what to do, but I think that you will find constructive engagement and a willingness to help.  At the same time, your team has to be prepared for honest comments.  If something stated makes sense, you will hear that.  If something stated is considered to be nonsensical pseudo-tech then you will hear that also.  Let me give you an example.  If someone builds a pulse motor and says it is tuned to the Schumann resonance, I will challenge them on that.  I will state that it is nonsense and there is no possible relationship between a pulse motor and the Schumann resonance.  I will challenge them to provide logical reasoning and actual proof to back up their statement.  "Blind belief" won't cut it and statements have to be backed up with reasoning and data.  Very importantly, both people can state their case and argue out the technology without making ad hominem attacks on the person.  Do you understand where I am coming from and does that make sense to you?  Honestly I think that it would be a good exercise to engage with your team working on the QEG.  This is supposed to be an open source project and it should be done on a public forum without any censorship from either perspective and no attacking of character from either side.  I can tell you honestly that on ou.com everybody is burnt out on the QEG thread.  I am pretty sure that there will be a willingness to "turn the page" and engage with your technical people with the guidelines I outlined above.  Just talking about the QEG itself and what you guys are doing on the bench and how you are analyzing it will be fun.  I will post our mini conversation on the thread.  You and as many of your tech people that want to register and join in the discussion on the thread are welcome.  Any technical information that you wanted to share with me can be shared on the thread.  They just have to make "hello" postings on the thread and we will take it from there.
>>>
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: truthseeker1313 on October 22, 2014, 11:25:40 PM
greetings, this is Kevin from QEG Canada.  I am already a member here and check the threads every now and then.  In response to your response, the engineers that I am working with are completely open to all input concerning the QEG...the more minds the better and they will be just as open about whether or not they think your and other persons ideas are good or not.  Today I spoke to the person who set up an international research group Skype room and I told him to read your comments on our youtube video.  Skype is their preferred vehicle for transfer of info.  Are you on Skype and would you and others like to be added to the Skype room.  Only qualified persons are allowed into that particular room however...no layman allowed, unless of course they are self taught and can make a contribution.  There are other rooms available for layman concerning the QEG.  Please let me know, thanks.  qegcanada@gmail.com for your response please. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: truthseeker1313 on October 23, 2014, 01:04:36 AM
I would like to add this: 

from one of the lead engineers of the QEG in the Skype research group.

I was asked to " please explain to him (mile high) that the reasearch group is an independent entity from any other organisations. The reaserch group was created because of the lack of knowledge in the different groups".... 

many of the researchers in the Skype research group are from all different places including overunity.com, Be Do, and other chat rooms.  The research group are extending an invitation to you and like minded qualified persons who can offer input on the QEG, all input, no judgements.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 23, 2014, 03:18:48 AM
Okay so I did my big technical multi-posting on Kevin's YouTube clip and there is a follow up.

Here is Kevin's reply:

<<<
+Kevin Blundell can you please contact me direct at qegcanada@gmail.com? I have passed on your comments to the lead researchers and they want to talk to you.  Also, they will give you access to all of the tech data.... and, they told me that you are exactly correct and they are aware of all that you have stated here...you are on the same page as them.
>>>

My response:

<<<
Hi Kevin,  I have a counter-proposal for you and your team's consideration.  I am MileHigh on overunity.com.  The thread on the QEG is called, "Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)."  Honestly, over the months the thread has been a mixture of technical analysis of the QEG and harsh criticism of the QEG itself and of Fix the World.  However, at this point in time the thread has petered out and not much is happening.  There is nothing to be gained by repeating stuff that has already been stated.  Now there are some really good technical people on overunity.com.  At this point in time, I am pretty confident that this good group of people would be willing to engage with your technical team in order to assist them in their analysis of the QEG.  Naturally I can't tell anyone what to do, but I think that you will find constructive engagement and a willingness to help.  At the same time, your team has to be prepared for honest comments.  If something stated makes sense, you will hear that.  If something stated is considered to be nonsensical pseudo-tech then you will hear that also.  Let me give you an example.  If someone builds a pulse motor and says it is tuned to the Schumann resonance, I will challenge them on that.  I will state that it is nonsense and there is no possible relationship between a pulse motor and the Schumann resonance.  I will challenge them to provide logical reasoning and actual proof to back up their statement.  "Blind belief" won't cut it and statements have to be backed up with reasoning and data.  Very importantly, both people can state their case and argue out the technology without making ad hominem attacks on the person.  Do you understand where I am coming from and does that make sense to you?  Honestly I think that it would be a good exercise to engage with your team working on the QEG.  This is supposed to be an open source project and it should be done on a public forum without any censorship from either perspective and no attacking of character from either side.  I can tell you honestly that on ou.com everybody is burnt out on the QEG thread.  I am pretty sure that there will be a willingness to "turn the page" and engage with your technical people with the guidelines I outlined above.  Just talking about the QEG itself and what you guys are doing on the bench and how you are analyzing it will be fun.  I will post our mini conversation on the thread.  You and as many of your tech people that want to register and join in the discussion on the thread are welcome.  Any technical information that you wanted to share with me can be shared on the thread.  They just have to make "hello" postings on the thread and we will take it from there.
>>>

MH:

Very nice job.  I can assure you that if they show up over here, I will be nice and just watch you guys that have the extensive knowledge of this subject discuss what is really going on.  If they really want to know the truth about real measurements, etc. this is the place to be.  We have all pretty much expressed ourselves to what we think of what Hope is doing so there is no need for any of us to go back there.

I believe this will be very interesting and I also believe that some folks will really learn something from this, myself included.

Is this fellow aware of TK's mini version and what it can do?  That should tell them all something.

I guess we will have to wait and see.

Again,  nice work in extending your invitation.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 24, 2014, 01:01:33 PM
Thanks for your interest! The current schematic is attached below. The Zeners shown outside the mosfet symbols are not separate parts, they are the internal body diodes which are usually shown inside the mosfet symbol. That part of the drawing is a "legacy" and is left in as a tribute to the great Little Miss Mosfet.
Have fun!

Some notes:
-Don't operate without the output coil load, you'll blow a mosfet or both, instantly.
-Don't ramp up input power slowly, the oscillator might not start. Simply switch on to a 12 volt source that can deliver 5 amps but is fused at 10 amps. The operating draw will be much less but in the event that the oscillator doesn't start one mosfet will simply conduct all the current you can supply until it fails, hence the 10 amp fuse. Or current limiting PSU of course. Until you are familiar with the operation of the circuit it's a good idea to monitor the oscillation somehow.
-Don't create a groundloop with your instrumentation! You can safely scope across the drains with a scope or meter that is isolated from the input power supply but remember that the circuit common negative is not at the Drains! An interesting way to scope the circuit is to look at each Drain with a scope channel, both referenced to the circuit negative rail. If you do this then you don't have to worry about groundloops back through the power supply.
-You can use many different mosfets in this design, but very low Rdss work best of course and the current capacity must be capable of handling the real currents in the tank which can be 40 amps or more. (The voltages and currents in the tank are very real. It is only the _power_ that is imaginary.) The IRFZ44N or IRF3205 are good choices and if you want to boost the input power you can use IRFP260N for 24 VDC in, along with UF4007 for the diodes instead of 4148s, without modifying the circuit otherwise. The circuit will work with cheap IRF830 as well but at less output power and these mosfets should be fancooled. If you go over 24 VDC input you will need some kind of Gate protection for the mosfets.
-The circuit will also sometimes oscillate with only one operational mosfet. This is another reason for monitoring both mosfet Drains until the bugs are shaken out. If you don't have a scope, check the mosfet temperatures with your fingers and if one is much warmer than the other one, stop and find out why.
-Components are soldered to the copper surface of the board, laid out as below. Feel free to design your own board! Keep the drains-tank circuit-output coil heavy and symmetrical.
TK. Can I please make a request. Can you please post the power triangle for your device based on the measurements you took, and also the input power. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 24, 2014, 02:01:10 PM
TK. Can I please make a request. Can you please post the power triangle for your device based on the measurements you took, and also the input power.
The information you seek is in the video playlist.

Input power, which is strictly DC with very little ripple, is shown on meters in the first video.

The best measurements I was able to make of the power circulating in the tank, using an inline non-inductive resistor for current measurement, indicate that the power circulating in the tank is purely reactive, with a 90 degree phase angle, or very close to it, between voltage and current. As expected in a resonating tank circuit consisting only of L and C elements. The first video shows the _magnitude_ of these values and demonstrates the error of "OU in VARs". You don't really need me to plot the actual triangle, I hope.

Subsequent videos explore the error and make the current measurements in various ways, finally culminating in the use of the Ohmite precision Ayrton-Perry wound non-inductive CSR installed in series with the output coil to measure the current in the tank. Two videos in the series "detour" a bit and explain the phase angle issue, and how it is measured on the scope in various ways, using Lissajous figure in the scope's XY mode and also by straight measurement of the V and I traces on the scope's time domain display. By the end of the series I am demonstrating how my technique (coupling of tuned air-core coils in the near field) for extracting and converting some of this power to "real power" driving a load, reduces the magnitude of the tank oscillations but doesn't change the reactive nature of the power in the tank.

I have deliberately avoided reporting final output "real" power measurements as I don't want to mislead anyone. My systems are nowhere near as efficient as they could be made with intelligent design, they are simply illustrations of a principle. With a 100 percent efficient circuit, one could transfer all of the input power continuously to the real power driving the final load... and there would still be power circulating in the tank itself as long as it is resonating. All of this power, real or reactive, comes from the input power source; it takes a finite and measurable time for the reactive power to build up in the tank; and the tank can even discharge this power after the main supply is cut off.

It can even discharge the stored, circulating tank power so fast that it will literally blow apart the mosfets, if there is nowhere else for it to go. This proves that the reactive power in the tank is "real" enough to have profound effects when it isn't handled properly. Another proof that the power in the tank is actually there... that is, there really IS, say, 20 amps, 200 volts, available... is that the system works as a wireless power transmitter by inducing currents in air-core, near field coupled receiver coils.

My demonstrations, under another topic, of the relative brightness of a light bulb driven directly by a battery, and the same bulb shining much brighter when driven by the output of a tuned aircore near-field coupled coil, transmitter being powered by the same battery... illustrate the "power" of this technique. Certainly, overall throughput efficiency of my systems is low, the current drawn from the battery increases correspondingly, but even so, one can allow oneself to be slightly amazed at the result.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk
The transmitter circuit is essentially the same as the microQEG but with different component values.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 25, 2014, 01:51:56 AM
The information you seek is in the video playlist.

Input power, which is strictly DC with very little ripple, is shown on meters in the first video.

The best measurements I was able to make of the power circulating in the tank, using an inline non-inductive resistor for current measurement, indicate that the power circulating in the tank is purely reactive, with a 90 degree phase angle, or very close to it, between voltage and current. As expected in a resonating tank circuit consisting only of L and C elements. The first video shows the _magnitude_ of these values and demonstrates the error of "OU in VARs". You don't really need me to plot the actual triangle, I hope.

Subsequent videos explore the error and make the current measurements in various ways, finally culminating in the use of the Ohmite precision Ayrton-Perry wound non-inductive CSR installed in series with the output coil to measure the current in the tank. Two videos in the series "detour" a bit and explain the phase angle issue, and how it is measured on the scope in various ways, using Lissajous figure in the scope's XY mode and also by straight measurement of the V and I traces on the scope's time domain display. By the end of the series I am demonstrating how my technique (coupling of tuned air-core coils in the near field) for extracting and converting some of this power to "real power" driving a load, reduces the magnitude of the tank oscillations but doesn't change the reactive nature of the power in the tank.

I have deliberately avoided reporting final output "real" power measurements as I don't want to mislead anyone. My systems are nowhere near as efficient as they could be made with intelligent design, they are simply illustrations of a principle. With a 100 percent efficient circuit, one could transfer all of the input power continuously to the real power driving the final load... and there would still be power circulating in the tank itself as long as it is resonating. All of this power, real or reactive, comes from the input power source; it takes a finite and measurable time for the reactive power to build up in the tank; and the tank can even discharge this power after the main supply is cut off.

It can even discharge the stored, circulating tank power so fast that it will literally blow apart the mosfets, if there is nowhere else for it to go. This proves that the reactive power in the tank is "real" enough to have profound effects when it isn't handled properly. Another proof that the power in the tank is actually there... that is, there really IS, say, 20 amps, 200 volts, available... is that the system works as a wireless power transmitter by inducing currents in air-core, near field coupled receiver coils.

My demonstrations, under another topic, of the relative brightness of a light bulb driven directly by a battery, and the same bulb shining much brighter when driven by the output of a tuned aircore near-field coupled coil, transmitter being powered by the same battery... illustrate the "power" of this technique. Certainly, overall throughput efficiency of my systems is low, the current drawn from the battery increases correspondingly, but even so, one can allow oneself to be slightly amazed at the result.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi-hl2W86yk)
The transmitter circuit is essentially the same as the microQEG but with different component values.
TK. I'm aware the input is DC (a good thing as it's not controversial with respect to input power), and I admit to being a little lazy is asking for these values. There is some point to my asking for this info. There must be some real power component that I assume is load dependent. It is not possible to gleam what that component value is from the video.  I'm guessing here but when the circuit is unloaded all the power is almost all reactive (LC circuit with a very little R). When you load the circuit via the various methods you demonstrate, there must I assume be a visible phase shift between V & I. So yes I guess I am asking for a vector diagram for various load conditions. .
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 25, 2014, 08:26:09 AM
TK. I'm aware the input is DC (a good thing as it's not controversial with respect to input power), and I admit to being a little lazy is asking for these values. There is some point to my asking for this info. There must be some real power component that I assume is load dependent. It is not possible to gleam what that component value is from the video.  I'm guessing here but when the circuit is unloaded all the power is almost all reactive (LC circuit with a very little R). When you load the circuit via the various methods you demonstrate, there must I assume be a visible phase shift between V & I. So yes I guess I am asking for a vector diagram for various load conditions. .
Well, the insertion of the Ohmite 0.25 ohm noninductive CSR into the LC tank for current monitoring does cause a little shift away from 90 degrees, and there is definitely power dissipated by this resistor when the thing is operating; I have to be careful not to burn it up in fact, and this is also why the coil-capacitor-drain-source circuit has to be made from heavy conductors for low resistance.

But loading the system with the aircore secondary coils (the HV receptor, or the DC transverter driving the motor load) doesn't add ohmic resistance to the tank circuit.

Right now I am set up for different experiments; the microQEG is put away, up on the shelf. The exact measurement of small phase shifts happening around 90 degrees is difficult with my rudimentary equipment but perhaps a Lissajous display might be sensitive enough to show small changes in phase with changes in the coupled load. I'll try to set up a demonstration over the next day or so.

Thank you for your continued interest. I know there are people out there with better scopes than I have got, that will give the phase shift directly in numbers without tedious manual measurements and computations like I must do. Maybe one of them might get interested enough to build a microQEG system for themselves and improve on my measurements. Meanwhile I'll try to assemble the data you seek.

ETA: Does anyone know of such a data set from any FTW QEG construction?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 25, 2014, 08:48:40 AM
I don't like to insult people but for some reason I've only seen MILHIGH only as some type of person who has everything figured out...as if everyone is wrong until they waste their energy to prove him wrong? If you think about it, that only means that he is able to defunct all QEGs but yet he already stated that he is not even experiences in the technology!!!  What do we have left, some type of individual that has been too long in a forum where he feels like he knows everything that it is yet to be discovered! Like he is a filter where truth only comes out of him and NEEDS to go through his filter in order for it to be true.

I don't mind a critic here and there because productive criticisms is basically a little baby tripping and standing up to learn how to walk....but MILEHIGH seems to me like the future has been stagnated and no further technologies will EVOLVE. I already stated if MILEHIGH is not investing any money, why is he so butt hurt about people who do?

He does not understand how investing works, either in the monetary or in the support group in therapy....he DEMANDS proof while very comfortable no one asking him for demands! SO I want to break his IGNORANSE and would peacefully demand MILEHIGH to show me proof of his beliefs.

First I would like to ask mile high how investors are needed for an invention spread to the masses?

Thean after understanding how “investing” works, I would like to hear from MILEHIGH what was the purpose of investing in the first place?

Then I would like to hear MILEHIGH tell me the difference of an investor investing in gold or silver VS investing in the QEG?

Then I would like MILEHIGH to answer is breathing air for a human not some type of FREEE energy?

Sae with the ability to see things since the sun provides FREEE energy! If it was not up to FREEE sun energy rays, how would you be able to see? Or even, as a matter of fact, for eyes to EVOLVE?

MILEHIGH demands FACTS, but it's your turn to step up to the plate to show your qualifications as to who gave you the authority as a judge in a court of law?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 25, 2014, 09:03:17 AM
I don't like to insult people but for some reason I've only seen MILHIGH only as some type of person who has everything figured out...as if everyone is wrong until they waste their energy to prove him wrong? If you think about it, that only means that he is able to defunct all QEGs but yet he already stated that he is not even experiences in the technology!!!  What do we have left, some type of individual that has been too long in a forum where he feels like he knows everything that it is yet to be discovered! Like he is a filter where truth only comes out of him and NEEDS to go through his filter in order for it to be true.

I don't mind a critic here and there because productive criticisms is basically a little baby tripping and standing up to learn how to walk....but MILEHIGH seems to me like the future has been stagnated and no further technologies will EVOLVE. I already stated if MILEHIGH is not investing any money, why is he so butt hurt about people who do?

He does not understand how investing works, either in the monetary or in the support group in therapy....he DEMANDS proof while very comfortable no one asking him for demands! SO I want to break his IGNORANSE and would peacefully demand MILEHIGH to show me proof of his beliefs.

First I would like to ask mile high how investors are needed for an invention spread to the masses?

Thean after understanding how “investing” works, I would like to hear from MILEHIGH what was the purpose of investing in the first place?

Then I would like to hear MILEHIGH tell me the difference of an investor investing in gold or silver VS investing in the QEG?

Then I would like MILEHIGH to answer is breathing air for a human not some type of FREEE energy?

Sae with the ability to see things since the sun provides FREEE energy! If it was not up to FREEE sun energy rays, how would you be able to see? Or even, as a matter of fact, for eyes to EVOLVE?

MILEHIGH demands FACTS, but it's your turn to step up to the plate to show your qualifications as to who gave you the authority as a judge in a court of law?
The promoters of the QEG have demonstrated that it does not perform as they claim.  MH has offered science based reasons for why that is so. 

One might rightfully wonder what it is that motivates you to keep defending the Robitaille's false claims.  You give the appearance that you have a keen interest in promoting the idea that they have something of value when they have repeatedly demonstrated just the opposite.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 25, 2014, 09:11:49 AM
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The promoters of the QEG have demonstrated that it does not perform as they claim.  MH has offered science based reasons for why that is so.

One might rightfully wonder what it is that motivates you to keep defending the Robitaille's false claims.  You give the appearance that you have a keen interest in promoting the idea that they have something of value when they have repeatedly demonstrated just the opposite.

With all due respect, I want MILEHIGH to answer! I was not asking you...thanks.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 25, 2014, 09:23:58 AM
With all due respect, I want MILEHIGH to answer! I was not asking you...thanks.

MileHigh has already demonstrated a lot more experience, learning and competency on this topic than you have. In fact, you have not actually made an on-topic post yet, as far as I can tell. You don't seem to be able to discuss the technical issues and you don't want to discuss the issues of the FTW fraudulent presentation and promotion of their non-functional system. Yet you have no trouble criticizing those who DO know their stuff and who keep to the topics. This means, dear Joel, that you are a troll.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 25, 2014, 09:25:08 AM
With all due respect, I want MILEHIGH to answer! I was not asking you...thanks.
With all due respect, if you want respect then you should show some.  In your posts I see a bunch of: ad homs, straw man arguments, and red herrings.  If you are interested in civil, respectful discourse, then why do you behave as you do?  If MH is wrong about the QEG then why is it that you don't just hold up facts that you can substantiate to refute him?  The simple answer is that you can't refute him. 

There is no question that the QEG does not today do what the Robitailles claimed that it did a year ago.  There is no question that they have only managed to demonstrate it functioning as a power converter with very poor efficiency.  There is no question that none of the various replicators have shown either good efficiency or any hint that the device can produce the free power claimed by the Robitailles.  So why is it that MH's remarks noting those facts cause you such grief?  What's driving your emotional investment in the Robitaille's lies?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 25, 2014, 09:51:23 AM
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With all due respect, if you want respect then you should show some.  In your posts I see a bunch of: ad homs, straw man arguments, and red herrings.  If you are interested in civil, respectful discourse, then why do you behave as you do?  If MH is wrong about the QEG then why is it that you don't just hold up facts that you can substantiate to refute him?  The simple answer is that you can't refute him.

There is no question that the QEG does not today do what the Robitailles claimed that it did a year ago.  There is no question that they have only managed to demonstrate it functioning as a power converter with very poor efficiency.  There is no question that none of the various replicators have shown either good efficiency or any hint that the device can produce the free power claimed by the Robitailles.  So why is it that MH's remarks noting those facts cause you such grief?  What's driving your emotional investment in the Robitaille's lies?

Again sir, don't speak for MILEHIGH, he has a mouth of his own... if I want to discuss things further with you I can and will dissect your claims as you type them....right now i'm annoyed with MILEHIGH and wish to hear only from him to dissect his credibility and abilities to understand how life works!!!

I don't even find it NORMAL for a person to answer questions for another person (like you are) lol! Since if you crash a car, the person who is driving is only liable for the consequences. That is very stupid if a judge asked the defendant questions and then have someone from the audience answer for him.... just shut up sir, and allow for the facts to take place!

I know is hard for you “virtual” nerds to disagree from one and the other since you here have thousands of posts here....but, things change!!!! People get old, you probably don't know how to set up a PS4 while the young folks do...

How hard is it to believe that water flowing, air flowing, nuclear flowing, is not just a mater of building something cheaply and get x3 times the output? Lol the evidence is massive that I kind of wonder where your sane mentality is sir! But like I said, don't respond to questions that where not asked specifically for you!!! you can be further psychoanalyzed yourself when it comes to your turn.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on October 25, 2014, 09:55:44 AM



 Joel,
        if you want to go gold mining you take a pan and test the ground. Find a bit
in your pan and it's worth a try.
     These QEG. folk have never shown us that speck in the pan.
 All these silly rotating things have no foundation whatever.
           
  John.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 25, 2014, 10:03:48 AM
Again sir, don't speak for MILEHIGH, he has a mouth of his own... if I want to discuss things further with you I can and will dissect your clains as you type them....right now i'm anoyed with MILEHIGH and with to hear only from him to dissect his credibility and abilities to understand how life works!!!

I don't even find it NORMAL for a person to answer questions for another person lol! Since if you crash a car, the person who is driving is only liable for the consequences. That is very stupid if a judge asked the defendant questions and then have someone from the audience answer for him.... just shut up sir, and allow for the facts to take place!

I know is hard for you “virtual” nerds to disagree from one and the other since you here have thousands of posts here....but, things change!!!! People get old, you probably don't know how to set up a PS4 while the young folks do...

How hard is it to believe that water flowing, air flowing, nuclear flowing, is not just a mater of building something cheaply and get x3 times the output? Lol the evidence is massive that I kind of wonder where your sane mentality is sir! But like I said, don't respond to questions that where not asked specifically for you!!! you can be further psychoanalyzed yourself when it comes to your turn.
I see more red herrings:  I never claimed to speak for Mile High.  On this public message board I took you to task for your objectionable behavior.  This is a public thread concerning the QEG.  You are off topic.  You are not discussing the QEG.  You are attacking MH who does.  One post after appealing for respect you have chosen to engage in abusive insults.  Do as you will.  You define yourself by your actions.

Back to the QEG:  Can you point to any evidence that shows that the QEG has ever performed as even a mediocre power converter? 

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 25, 2014, 07:42:31 PM
Joel:

Yes, it is true that MH can speak for himself but, all of your posts seem to me to support this QEG fraud.  What facts can you supply to show where MH is wrong?  What are your measurements of this device?  What testing have you done?  What have you ever built and shared here, or anywhere?

I think I hear crickets now so....I will take that as you have nothing to add to this topic, other than your delusional rants.  I suggest that you take them somewhere else.  Hey, why not try the BEDO forum?  I hear there is not much posting activity over there and they could use your help.

Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rigel4 on October 26, 2014, 03:31:18 AM
Joel, you are the core  reason that people restrict access to news groups that I would like to contribute on. Contributing random ideas to a thread about the QEG is not on topic. So you have derailed the thread, bravo.

Back on topic. I am glad to see Kevins participation in the thread. Maybe he can share some of the data, and we can all learn something. I would be happy to learn what anyone saw in the QED that would be overunity. This is not related to the FTW stuff.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 27, 2014, 05:52:23 AM
It begins.  Top post implicitly dated 10-26-2014.  Being the caterer to the dumb downed masses, most websites either choose not to or are incapable of the simple task of using a date but instead use days, weeks, months ago  :D
https://fundrazr.com/profiles/hope-moore

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We have established a beautiful headquarters here in a gorgeous community. The whole point was to create a good space where project managers can come stay here for weekend long meetings so that we can implement planet changing projects that will be used all over the world. We will be setting up a booking schedule very soon for the many who want to come visit.

Also for those who want to come for a longer stay, we have established some amazing contacts here that can help people find very affordable villas to rent long term right here in paradise.

As I have said many times before, this is going to go for the long haul.  And there you have it.  We finally get the whole point of this multi level marking scam.  It was all about real estate.  "for those who want to come for a longer stay..."  Nice subtle time share bait tactic.

In a few more days "The World" will be blessed with another hopefundsgirl blog update 30 day infusion.  It will begin with the usual picker upper and what rigors she overcame during her travels... ahh forget it.  I have spilled out here M.O. style too many times now.  Not going to bother anymore.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 27, 2014, 06:37:52 AM
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Joel, you are the core  reason that people restrict access to news groups that I would like to contribute on. Contributing random ideas to a thread about the QEG is not on topic. So you have derailed the thread, bravo.

I already mentioned that the QEG could end up not working and I'm sure most likely it will take more great mind to trim it's fat down and polish it and then come with the QEG 2.0...this happens all over the place that I don't understand why people expect something to work 100% right out of the box. Take for example the game BF4 on PS4 (the gaming console) it came out and millions of people bought it but even till this day, it has many many glitches that it is hard to even play it and have a good time. Then you have the iphone that since the beginning of it, it has had many many glitches ahem “can you hear me now!”....

The point is that why would someone expect things to work right out of the box specially when they are trying to make it OPEN SOURCE just like linux! Who else is trying to do such an OPEN SOURCE QEG? You don't seem to know the difference between scams and between what OPEN SOURCING means?

Aside from that, in all of MILEHIGHS threads I only see him as coming with a hammer to all the posts I have read from him, he is the one who derails the topic where a lot of other people with OPEN minds could have contributed a lot. But he comes with this hammer of authority like if no one needs funding and funding does not play an important role to innovation....even the hoover damn was funded..it's essential to move things forward...funding in the monetary way and in the open minded technological way.

It is obvious by now that WITTS system was not working 100% (he is not open sourcing) so these hopeful people try to “reverse engineer WITTS QEG to help the people...and not to do some fraud in any way.

ALLLLLLLLL innovations start from donations and investing to get it out to the masses. Look what happened to nikola tesla idea of giving free energy to the world? Since it was going to be OPEN SOURCE (not profitable, just profitable in the helping) that idea was shut down on the spot (if I can't put a meter on it...).

Regarding derailing the thread, it has been derailed a long time ago! The nativity of the thread is the likes of NOT PUTING A METER ON IT. It is like you have been disappointed too much with QEGs that “fail” (or people not open sourcing them) that you have this mentality of that QEGs don't work.

You can see the hope (truth) in the ATOM, why does it have protons revolving around it since billions of years?

Can't you not see the sun as the nucleus and the earth as a proton? I think there is something to be gathered there! And they are self running things for billion of years being feed from surrounding FREE energy. I guess my goal is to be open minded since history shows it is possible. I'm not saying this QEG will be 100% successful, i'm saying it is not trying to fraud people!!! on the contrary, it is trying to help the low income people!!! and for the benefit for everyone, so I can't knock such goal....be it this QEG or another QEG. That's all.

From what I see is that you don't understand the definition of a scam sir (I sell stuff on craigslists, I encounter them all of the time, for example, but they are all over the place outside cragslist...even in QEGs)?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 27, 2014, 08:28:09 AM
It is also possible that the sun will rise tomorrow.  The probabilities of each:  The sun rising tomorrow and the QEG never amounting to more than the very mediocre (~30% efficient) power converter it has been demonstrated to be are not much different. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tinman on October 27, 2014, 09:41:39 AM
Going to be a nice night for UFO watching here in west OZ. 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 27, 2014, 10:18:13 AM
http://arstechnica.com/business/2014/10/the-ugly-afterlife-of-crowdfunding-projects-that-never-ship-and-never-end/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 27, 2014, 12:35:03 PM
I already mentioned that the QEG could end up not working and I'm sure most likely it will take more great mind to trim it's fat down and polish it and then come with the QEG 2.0...this happens all over the place that I don't understand why people expect something to work 100% right out of the box. Take for example the game BF4 on PS4 (the gaming console) it came out and millions of people bought it but even till this day, it has many many glitches that it is hard to even play it and have a good time. Then you have the iphone that since the beginning of it, it has had many many glitches ahem “can you hear me now!”....
@Joel I have been doing some research and a lot of tinkering and have invented a solar powered QEG that I call the LEG. I'm in the process of building a massive array of these little LEGs to power my home and to send power back to the grid. I will to share this with you and everyone else here provided that you send me some money when you get it going on the honor system, and help with crowd funding efforts to bring my LEG technology to the poor peoples and the world. Here goes... To build this you will need some 12 or 14 gauge copper wire and a galvanized nail. I got the copper wire from the electrical wiring in my house, and pulled the nail(s) from my deck. Take a "L"emon and insert 3 copper wires each about 3" long twisted to together at the top in the right hand side of the lemon. Insert the nail with some copper wire attached in the left hand side of the lemon. Here is this break-though I made. Take about 2ft of copper wire and make a pig tail coil about 1" inch in diameter. This is equivalent to the exciter coil in QEG and captures the quantum energy in the environment. Insert one end of the coil into the center of the lemon between the two electrodes. It is important that the coil is perfectly vertical. For this device to work the coil must be vertically polarized and it acts as a quarter wave antenna. Here is the other important bit. Place the whole assembly inside a cardboard box and bring the electrodes wire out through the sides of the box. Close the lid of the box so that you can physically see it. Now comes the hard bit. Connect a voltmeter across the two electrodes wires and note the voltage. You now need to condition the coil with positive spiritual energy.  If you do this right the voltage will start increasing. Like I said I have put together about 1000 of these LEGs connected in series and parallel in a room of my house and have closed the door so that they can't be seen. Through humming and meditation I've been able to get more than 10 KW of power for several weeks now. Also I have found that by capturing quantum energy the lemon self rejuvenates and it never rots. Good luck with your build!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 27, 2014, 01:38:10 PM
Well after about four days there has been no response from Kevin or anyone on the QEG Canada team about taking up my offer and coming to this thread to discuss analyzing the Montreal build.  So I guess it won't be happening.  I posted and told him that the invitation remains open.

I suspect that my mini posting blitz about generating a proper and detailed timing diagram for their QEG build on their YouTube channel came as a mild shock to them.

Anyway, my feeling is that the Montreal team was the "last great hope" for the QEG believers, but it looks like they are going to censor comments and stay dark.  It's possible that after they run out of steam there will be no announcement of anything.  Personally I think a generic apology to the followers would be in order.

For Joel:  No, I am not going to discuss anything with you because of all of the reasons that have already been outlined to you by other people on this thread several times over.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: truthseeker1313 on October 27, 2014, 04:35:40 PM
Please be careful with your bashing!  I did respond to you (mile high) and I invited you to join our Skype chat rooms where constructive conversations with physicists, scientists and engineers is taking place on a daily basis.  You have ignored my invitation so I can only assume that you are not interested in helping with the QEG.  This is unfortunate because I feel that you might have something of value to offer the ongoing discussion. 
Kevin
QEG Canada
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: truthseeker1313 on October 27, 2014, 04:41:30 PM
As an added note, I work with people who do not resort to negative mindless banter about "well, I guess this was the last great hope"  "I think my blitz threw them..."  blah blah blah.  How about this?  Try doing something constructive with you time.  We handed you and others an invitation and you have gone silent and refused to connect with me.  I gave you my email: qegcanada@gmail.com   and you have yet to try to connect with me.  YOU, not I, are the one trying to mislead people.  If anyone here is serious about the Qeg and has positive feedback on how to move things forward, I would like to extend an open invitation to you to please come and partake in trying to bring this to fruition.  Please contact me at qegcanada@gmail.com and I will gladly put you in touch with Skype groups around the world who are working very hard on the QEG and other over unity devices right now in hopes that we can do some good for humanity.  love to you all
Kevin
QEG Canada
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 27, 2014, 04:52:10 PM
@truthseeker1313:

I have asked you some very reasonable questions, which you have not so far deigned to answer.

1. What exactly makes you think that a QEG will ever be OU? Was it the WITTS demonstration? Was it the statements by HopeGirl, Valerie Robitialle and James Robitaille that they had a working unit, or just what? The WITTS demonstration is widely understood to be fraudulent and of course the statements by the Robitailles have been soundly proven to be false: They do not now have, nor ever have had a working prototype.

2. What makes you think that resonance is a necessary first step to obtaining OU? Can you point to any empirical evidence for this claim that you made? Have you watched my microQEG playlist, where I demonstrate an autoresonating system that produces even greater "OU in VARs" than any FTW QEG build, and where I show extraction of real power, AC or DC, low voltage or high voltage, from the system? Why is my microQEG not OU, when it shows _all the evidence_ and more, than any mechanical QEG has ever shown? Have you even watched my playlist?
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf (https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf)

3. What kind of data from your testing would possibly cause you to conclude that your efforts are futile? We know what confirmatory data would look like... but any scientist also knows what _disconfirming_ data would look like as well. What would that look like in your construction? Have you done any True Experiments, where you vary one or more Independent Variables and look at the effect on one or more Dependent Variables to find real cause-and-effect relationships? Have you tried testing any well-specified _null_ hypotheses to try to _disconfirm_ them?

And this dialog should be held here, since this is clearly an Open Source project and we here are not interested in censorship or suppression of critical commentary.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: truthseeker1313 on October 27, 2014, 04:53:39 PM
One last thought Mile High....my impression is that you are trying to attract people to overunity.com because the conversation here has died away somewhat.  I feel that that is your motivation for trying to get me and others who are working on the QEG to join here.  I have stated very very clearly that Skype is the preferred place of conversation for QEG groups...it just happened that way, sorry, and they would prefer to keep skyping.  I did indeed ask many engineers if they would like to come over here and they said nope, they were very happy with Skype and they asked me to invite you to come on over....but you have failed to respond.  The invitation is still open if you are interested.  And please, for goodness sake, don't twist my comments into "well, there you go folks...looks like Kevin had to find some form of excuse to not come to discuss things here...looks like the QEG people are just too scared to speak to us because they know we will call them out on their QEG hoax...." or something like that.  That is just very childish.  I will not be connecting here again but again, the invitation is open.  If you are genuinely interested in meeting people and working with people who are involved with the QEG and/or other overunity machines that are being worked on globally, if you feel you have something to offer this movement or if you feel that you need help with what you are working on, I can connect you.  Qegcanada@gmail.com.  The choice is yours, but we all know, the more minds the better.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 27, 2014, 04:55:56 PM
You are dodging, Kevin. Bob and weave, but do not under any circumstances answer substantive questions.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: truthseeker1313 on October 27, 2014, 04:58:08 PM
Tinsel...all of your answers are available...ALL OF THEM.  I am not an engineer, I am just working with many and following and promoting the QEG because I trust the people I am working with.  If you want the answers, they are readily available.  I can get you in contact with persons who can answer you straight up...please contact me at qegcanada@gmail.com   and I will put you in touch with engineers so that you can discuss your concerns, offer alternative etc.  I am sure that they would love to hear your opinion.  But they are not  on here and they are not planning  on coming here for discussion...sorry about that...skype is where they do their chatting, nothing I can do about that sorry.  please connect with me.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 27, 2014, 05:02:23 PM
Tinsel...all of your answers are available...ALL OF THEM.  I am not an engineer, I am just working with many and following and promoting the QEG because I trust the people I am working with.  If you want the answers, they are readily available.  I can get you in contact with persons who can answer you straight up...please contact me at qegcanada@gmail.com   and I will put you in touch with engineers so that you can discuss your concerns, offer alternative etc.  I am sure that they would love to hear your opinion.  But they are not  on here and they are not planning  on coming here for discussion...sorry about that...skype is where they do their chatting, nothing I can do about that sorry.  please connect with me.

Nope. Your answers, or the answers of your team members, should be placed here in this thread, not on some censored platform where the True Believers have control.

Please answer my three simple questions here. Or answer just the one: Why is my microQEG, which clearly shows massive OU in VARs, not OU, but you expect the FTW QEG design to be OU?

If your engineers would "love to hear my opinion" they are fully free to comment, uncensored, on my YT channel where I put my opinions, clearly stated and DEMONSTRATED, in videos.

If they want my opinion and help in private, that is on your emails and Skype channels, you are free to sign a contract with me to pay me my daily consulting fee, which is much cheaper than the Robitaille's fee, and is guaranteed to be accurate and useful.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 27, 2014, 05:02:32 PM
Kevin, my questions are similar to TinselKoala's. 

What evidence leads you to believe that a QEG or some variation of a QEQ can deliver more power out than the power input required to run it?

How does that evidence stack-up against the Robitailles' repeated failures to get anything more than about 30% efficient power conversion?

Why do you believe resonance:  a phenomenon of storing a much higher percentage of energy each cycle than transferred from input to output helps improve power conversion efficiency or otherwise does something to draw in energy from somewhere other than the electrical power source?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: truthseeker1313 on October 27, 2014, 05:07:25 PM
hahahahaa...incredible, simply incredible..must be a bunch of shills on here I guess.  I am not qualified to answer your technical questions...I have stated that very clearly... I can get you in touch with those who can give you qualified answers.....I offer an invitation and you just continue your crappy responses.  the invitation is open if you are serious...otherwise....have a nice day and I hope that the money that you are getting paid if worth the pain and suffering that humanity is bearing.  bye bye ....   may your souls find peace someday...  don't forget...the invitation is open....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 27, 2014, 05:41:57 PM
hahahahaa...incredible, simply incredible..must be a bunch of shills on here I guess.  I am not qualified to answer your technical questions...I have stated that very clearly... I can get you in touch with those who can give you qualified answers.....I offer an invitation and you just continue your crappy responses.  the invitation is open if you are serious...otherwise....have a nice day and I hope that the money that you are getting paid if worth the pain and suffering that humanity is bearing.  bye bye ....   may your souls find peace someday...  don't forget...the invitation is open....

shills. crappy. "if you are serious".  "getting paid".

Now you see just exactly why I, for one, won't be joining you on your private channels.

You are right about one thing though: You are not technically qualified. I, however, am, and I believe my video demonstrations prove this. MarkE is one of the most knowledgeable posters on this and other forums when it comes to electrical engineering and electronics, and your ad-hominem abusive attacks only prove one thing: You cannot support your claims with evidence.

I will be calling you up in one year: October 27, 2015. I predict that you will have abandoned work on the underunity QEG well before that time. So you will have plenty of time to work on your apology.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on October 27, 2014, 05:56:11 PM
TinKoa,

You've been given an invitation to participate
in technical conversation via skype. :)

What are you afraid of? ;)

Regarding the question of whether or not you
are a "troll" I'm afraid the answer is affirmative.
Much more 'qualified' than most but the emotional
characteristics you display are otherwise identical... :o

Meet your peers half-way if you have the courage. 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 27, 2014, 06:15:18 PM
TinKoa,

You've been given an invitation to participate
in technical conversation via skype. :)

What are you afraid of? ;)

Regarding the question of whether or not you
are a "troll" I'm afraid the answer is affirmative.
Much more 'qualified' than most but the emotional
characteristics you display are otherwise identical... :o

Meet your peers half-way if you have the courage. 8)

You are funny, as always.

I am supposed to go somewhere private and secret to discuss things with people who insult me from the get-go in public? I am supposed to _donate_ my time to such people, who have spent many thousands of dollars on a system they do not understand, based on clearly proven lies,  in secret?

Nope. No thanks. All MY work reported here is truly open source and all my discussions are in public where everyone who may be interested can see them easily.

And your definition of "troll" is way off base.

You ask what am I afraid of. Why not ask Kevin what he's got to hide?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 27, 2014, 06:25:06 PM
hahahahaa...incredible, simply incredible..must be a bunch of shills on here I guess.  I am not qualified to answer your technical questions...I have stated that very clearly... I can get you in touch with those who can give you qualified answers.....I offer an invitation and you just continue your crappy responses.  the invitation is open if you are serious...otherwise....have a nice day and I hope that the money that you are getting paid if worth the pain and suffering that humanity is bearing.  bye bye ....   may your souls find peace someday...  don't forget...the invitation is open....
Kevin, really? You don't know why you believe in the QEG, you just do believe without any reason?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on October 27, 2014, 06:35:44 PM
Quote from: TinKoa
I am supposed to go somewhere private and secret to discuss things with people who insult me from the get-go in public? I am supposed to _donate_ my time to such people, who have spent many thousands of dollars on a system they do not understand, based on clearly proven lies,  in secret?


Nothing about the internet is 'secret' or
'private.'  Everything is monitored and
recorded for future reference. ???

And just think, you may enjoy discussing
QEG with 'engineers.'  Or at least get a
feel for the technical qualifications of those
who are pursuing it. ::)

Seems like it could be an opportunity to make
a real difference in how things go forward. ;)

Unless, of course, you prefer 'trolling' much more. 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 27, 2014, 06:52:20 PM

Nothing about the internet is 'secret' or
'private.'  Everything is monitored and
recorded for future reference. ???

Really? Where is the link so that I can read the emails of Kevin and his engineers, then?
Quote
And just think, you may enjoy discussing
QEG with 'engineers.'  Or at least get a
feel for the technical qualifications of those
who are pursuing it. ::)

I already have a "feel" for those qualifications, and anyone who watches any of the "We've Got Resonance" videos does too. Consider the fact that the first design did not hold up to the high voltages and had to be unwound, and rewound, and potted... and then look back to before that happened, when I was saying that the HV design and construction was amateurish and likely to fail, or even severely injure someone.
Quote

Seems like it could be an opportunity to make
a real difference in how things go forward. ;)

Unless, of course, you prefer 'trolling' much more. 8)

Really? Do "trolls" do things like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXrhRqlQE4&list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf&index=5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THU86gUJBzM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THU86gUJBzM)

I have indeed tried to make a difference as to how things go forward with the QEG fantasy already. Perhaps you too have not watched my microQEG playlist, or my editorial commentary videos concerning the FTW QEG.  I know of several people who have saved considerable money by listening to me and considering what I have to say about the matter. Do trolls do that very much, saving people thousands of dollars?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: truthseeker1313 on October 27, 2014, 07:10:02 PM
again, the invitation is open...let me tell you that the research group Skype room has over 100 engineers, scientist, physicists etc in it.  QEG Canada Skype room has over 100 people in it as well.  The QEG Q and A room has over 300 people in it and the list goes on.  What are you afraid of?  Join us in trying to make the QEG and other over unity machines a reality, work together with others or go it alone...the choice is yours, the invitation is open and certainly not private in any way.  I fully understand why many are against FTW and I discuss that thoroughly in my latest video.  They made errors but they are not business men, they are ordinary people that are trying to do something really important.  I forgave them their errors and I am pleased that they did one very good thing, they brought together hundreds if not thousands of people all over the globe who are now engaged in trying to get humanity off of dirty fuels, out of the slavery systems, end poverty and war. .....   so, what are you doing? other than bashing those who are trying from the heart. 

All of the answer you seek are available in several Skype rooms if you are interested.  The choice is yours.  All the technical data from Morocco, UK and more is available for anyone who wants it, all of the latest ideas as well.  It is up to you...qegcanada@gmail.com

And, Tinsel, the QEG engineers, all of them, have seen your video and are paying attention and actually are working to implement your ideas....so thank you for your work.  Why not connect and see if you can help even more?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on October 27, 2014, 07:37:46 PM
Kevin,

I don't know how I missed your first posting over here in response to my technical postings on your YouTube clip but I did.  I can understand how once the QEG technical groups have found a 'home' then they don't want to move.  I know nothing about Skype rooms but I will assume that they are similar to threads like you see on this forum and they don't have to be live chats.  So I will create a Skype ID and then send you an email from a Hotmail account.

With respect to 'being paid' that's just a cliche.  Certainly there are people paid to post and sway opinion with respect to the geopolitical scene.  They battle it out on Facebook and in the comment sections of news stories and on popular political blog sites and stuff like that.  But this is the free energy scene, and Big Government and Big Oil almost certainly don't even know these forums exist.  The government agencies that should pay attention to this stuff are the agencies dealing with criminal fraud.  However, it's likely that they don't and many scams are probably too small to garner any attention.

Finally, please be careful about the use of the term "engineer."  If you can apply a Band-Aid and take someone's temperature, does that make you a medical doctor?  My gut feel is that more than half, or possibly way more than half, of the people that you call "engineers" are just QEG enthusiasts that have scopes and multimeters and can talk tech.  Having a scope and a digital multimeter does not mean that you are an engineer.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 27, 2014, 07:49:16 PM
again, the invitation is open...let me tell you that the research group Skype room has over 100 engineers, scientist, physicists etc in it.  QEG Canada Skype room has over 100 people in it as well.  The QEG Q and A room has over 300 people in it and the list goes on.  What are you afraid of?  Join us in trying to make the QEG and other over unity machines a reality, work together with others or go it alone...the choice is yours, the invitation is open and certainly not private in any way.  I fully understand why many are against FTW and I discuss that thoroughly in my latest video.  They made errors but they are not business men, they are ordinary people that are trying to do something really important.  I forgave them their errors and I am pleased that they did one very good thing, they brought together hundreds if not thousands of people all over the globe who are now engaged in trying to get humanity off of dirty fuels, out of the slavery systems, end poverty and war. .....   so, what are you doing? other than bashing those who are trying from the heart. 

All of the answer you seek are available in several Skype rooms if you are interested.  The choice is yours.  All the technical data from Morocco, UK and more is available for anyone who wants it, all of the latest ideas as well.  It is up to you...qegcanada@gmail.com

And, Tinsel, the QEG engineers, all of them, have seen your video and are paying attention and actually are working to implement your ideas....so thank you for your work.  Why not connect and see if you can help even more?
If believing there is merit to the extraordinary claims of the QEG requires either faith or joining some private fan club, count me out.  Should anyone ever come up with actual evidence that a QEG could be anything better than the very expensive and terribly inefficient power converter that it has so far been demonstrated to be, then I welcome the news along with the supporting evidence.  Until then I will treat the claims as no better than the WITTS BS that begot them.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: truthseeker1313 on October 27, 2014, 07:54:29 PM
great news MileHigh....I am sorry that can could not attract engineers to this forum...they enjoy the Skype chat rooms and I have to say I find them easier to use than this stype of chat forum as well.  Please do not criticize me for my use of the word engineer....I am not an idiot!  All of the engineers that I am working with are qualified...most of them have been schooled in engineering and have converted or come to the realization that lots of what they were taught was manipulated or kept from them.  They are the converted.  And then there are those who are self taught and brilliant.  I look forward to hearing from you and once again I am sorry that I could not attract them to this forum.

The QEG enthusiasts?  yes there are many...but they have chat rooms where they can chat about the QEG.  There is only one technical room that is for qualified engineers and they are selective about who they let in because they are working on the QEG from a technical stand point.  Many of them are in other rooms around the world, but that one room is where they come together to help each other as engineers.  I am not in that room, but I can get you in, if you think  you can contribute to the technical discussion.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on October 28, 2014, 04:56:33 AM

Really? Where is the link so that I can read the emails of Kevin and his engineers, then? 

Surely you know the answer to that question! :o

Ed Snowden revealed all.


Quote from: TinKoa
Really? Do "trolls" do things like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXrhRqlQE4&list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf&index=5 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkXrhRqlQE4&list=PLml9VdOeqKa-k7J7vO_I22fVc-h8wcdLf&index=5)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THU86gUJBzM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THU86gUJBzM)

 Do trolls do that very much, saving people thousands of dollars?

To your credit, you're most frequently a benevolent
sort of troll. ;)

Until your dander is up, that is - then you have shown
us that you can play the flame spouting dragon with
great conviction. ::)

See, not all trolls are malevolent or nefarious in what
they do.  Some of us are rather kind and capable of
offering encouragement in addition to technical
critique or suggestion. 8) :-*

Quote from: TinKoa
Consider the fact that the first design did not hold up to the high voltages and had to be unwound, and rewound, and potted... and then look back to before that happened, when I was saying that the HV design and construction was amateurish and likely to fail, or even severely injure someone.

This is inevitably the pattern with all research
and development.  Even the highest paid most
technically savvy 'engineers' and designers can
experience humbling, if not disastrous, surprises
when their expectations fizzle.  Look at the most
recent boondoggle with the F-35... :-[

Chin up!
May we always let the Truth be our principal concern. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 28, 2014, 05:25:53 AM
Even when you give them the stage, they still complain they were not in the spot light.  Take thruthseeker, evades evades evades.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 28, 2014, 05:43:43 AM
The real question is what makes the wires, capacitors, and cores of that thing you call qeg do what is claimed yet when the very same, not value, the same article, is called anything else such as switch reluctance, variable reluctance, or parametric excitation, the device suddenly looses its mysticism?

5,000 Chinese Engineers where art thou?
The elusive U.K. report where art thou?
The switch hopegirl was ready to flip for the qeg 6 months ago where art thou?
Oh, and that fundraiser tooted to demo the PA build qeg where art thou?
The PA build PRE EPOXY ALTERATION where art thou?
Blog post, forum post, website journals, non vacation related updates of the untouchable rock star status James Robitaille where art thou?
The updated open source incorrectly termed in plural forum make shifted together in classic 100% satisfaction guaranteed scam style "documents" where art thou?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 28, 2014, 05:46:39 AM
great news MileHigh....I am sorry that can could not attract engineers to this forum...they enjoy the Skype chat rooms and I have to say I find them easier to use than this stype of chat forum as well.  Please do not criticize me for my use of the word engineer....I am not an idiot!  All of the engineers that I am working with are qualified...most of them have been schooled in engineering and have converted or come to the realization that lots of what they were taught was manipulated or kept from them.  They are the converted.  And then there are those who are self taught and brilliant.  I look forward to hearing from you and once again I am sorry that I could not attract them to this forum.

The QEG enthusiasts?  yes there are many...but they have chat rooms where they can chat about the QEG.  There is only one technical room that is for qualified engineers and they are selective about who they let in because they are working on the QEG from a technical stand point.  Many of them are in other rooms around the world, but that one room is where they come together to help each other as engineers.  I am not in that room, but I can get you in, if you think  you can contribute to the technical discussion.

With that sort of "open source" who needs the CIA and NSA.

Qeqpocrisy:
Etymology mid first decade of the 2nd millennium. Originating from the PA region of North America.
1. The act or state of being that causes one to contradict one self with every breath taken.
2. Commonly used to solicit finances to buy the same test equipment over and over while on vacation.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on October 28, 2014, 08:55:23 AM
Thanks, I'll have to read the whole thing, but at the moment, I see this:

Do you see? These ignoramuses say that my MicroQEG is an "obvious fraud"... yet I stand behind what is in that video 100 percent and can prove that everything in it is real and true. The MicroQEG and all of the associated items that I have demonstrated are 100 percent honest and ANYONE with a few dollars and a soldering iron can prove it for themselves. It is not like the "FTW QEG" where the published materials don't correspond to the actual device, the cost huge and the performance not as stated. My MicroQEG is _more real_ than any FTW QEG!

I told you that this would happen: They have a hard time explaining how my MicroQEG isn't OU, but the FTW QEG is... since the only evidence for any "OU" in either device is the VARs measurement, and I get 27 to one instead of a measly 4 or 10 to one like they do, even in VARs improperly calculated.

Once again, and I hope this gets back to the QEG believers: I challenge you, sidhabo,  thusly. My MicroQEG performs exactly as demonstrated in the videos, there is no "fraud" or fakery involved at all. If anyone doubts this they can build it for themselves for less than the cost of dinner and a movie. If they are so incompetent that they can't build and test it themselves, I will gladly send a unit to you or a qualified third party for testing ON THIS CONDITION. If it fails to perform as shown in the videos, I'll apologize publicly and never darken your door again. But if it DOES perform as shown... which it will, the people who have accused me of fraud will apologize publicly to me, loud and clear, and in addition will pay me my regular consulting fee for three days. Call it an even thousand dollars US. And in either case the tester or the accusing party can keep the unit.

But of course that crowd will never back up their claims with anything real. It is such a joke though, that they see my device and call it fake, but they can't tell that the FTW QEG has no hope of duplicating the WITTS fake QEG without cheating, themselves.


If a thing is a fake or not depends on what is claimed for it.
  ::)

Although my efforts previously were inaccurate I am sure my total efficiency and "VARS to input ratio" beats any of the QEG builds.
For anyone who has the time and working knowledge of resonance obtaining better efficiency and "VARS to input ratios" is child's play.
To me it seems like beating a dead horse to try to talk sense to zealots and cult members.

A challenge to the FTW groups anywhere,
1) post valid measurements of real input to actual useful output efficiencies and,
2) "VAR's produced to input supplied-ratio's".


And either myself or someone else will better them for a fraction of the cost and without serious danger. Or point to where it is
already shown a better result.

If every result obtained by the FTW groups can be easily exceeded, then what is the point to what they are doing ?

Results already shown in this thread far exceed any results obtained so far by any QEG group. Make of it what folks will but
that is the truth, the facts are the facts.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 28, 2014, 09:15:23 AM
(snip)
And, Tinsel, the QEG engineers, all of them, have seen your video and are paying attention and actually are working to implement your ideas....so thank you for your work.  Why not connect and see if you can help even more?

ORLY? Let's do a side-by-side comparison of the FTW QEG design and build, with my microQEG design and build.

Incorporates Tesla patented technology?
FTW QEG: references a patent which does not resemble the QEG at all or any of its components, or its manner of operation, or its results.
TK's microQEG: Incorporates the "Coil for Electromagnets" patent #512,340 in a clear and useful manner.

Resonant system?
FTW QEG: Needs to be _driven_ by a mains-connected motor with associated control circuitry, needs a big bank of expensive HV capacitors, produces ragged "batman" waveforms, etc.
TK's microQEG: Automatically resonates when switched on, no external driving or control circuitry necessary, inexpensive low-voltage caps incorporated in its circuit, produces _pure sine wave_ output waveforms, etc.

OU in VARs?
FTW QEG: claims as much as 10 or 20 times input power in VARs. Noisy and dangerous when being driven by the big motor connected to mains.
microQEG: demonstrates "COP" of 26 to 1 "OU in VARs" on demand. Silent. No connection to mains. Any part may be handled safely while running, except the HV Receptor output unit.

Cost?
FTW QEG: At least five thousand dollars to assemble a "working" unit that doesn't actually work. Needs its own dedicated workspace, a high-current mains connection and two people to move it around.
microQEG: About 20 dollars in parts. Can fit on the corner of a table top. Needs a 12 volt battery to run. Weighs under one kilogram.

Failure modes and hazards?
FTW QEG: Internal shorts caused by improper HV construction, requiring stripping the core (ever tried _unwinding_ a toroid filled with heavy wire? LOL!) and rewinding, and then potting, making any further alteration or removal impossible. Hazards due to unprotected, rapidly rotating mechanical parts. Tiny running clearances maintained by a few bolts through bearing blocks into fragile and flexible frame materials. Big bank of capacitors charged to high voltages. Spark gaps producing nitrogen oxides and ozone. People standing in the plane of the belt drive system with no safety guards whatsoever. Bare HV wiring.
microQEG: You might be able to blow the mosfets apart if you try to run it without the coil connected. If you drop the battery on your foot, it might hurt for a minute.

Instrumentation to "prove OU"?
FTW QEG: according to HopeGirl, you need seventyfive thousand dollars just in test equipment alone.
microQEG: less than 5 hundred dollars worth of analog scopes and probes and meters, stuff that should already be available in the lab of anyone who considers building such a device.

Loads powered?
FTW QEG: a bank of a few light bulbs. Much less power output to the load than is input to the system from the mains.
microQEG: automotive incandescent light bulbs, a DC motor, a bank of neons needing nearly 400 V to light up at all -- and somewhat less power to the loads than is drawn from the supply battery.

I could go on and on. Really, it seems to me that the "smart" thing for your "engineers" to do would be to drop the FTW QEG design and start working _with me_ on making the microQEG system or a variant into a "real OU" system !!

Why would _anyone_ choose the FTW QEG as something worth spending time and money on, when in _every respect_ the microQEG system is already superior?

ETA: And of course... nobody in your camp, Kevin, has given me any public credit at all for my completely self-funded work on the microQEG, except you just now.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 28, 2014, 09:26:04 AM
@Farmhand: Great minds think alike!

Really, Kevin, you should also be paying attention to Farmhand. He has gone far beyond the simple microQEG in his builds and researches, and has explored this type of resonant system even more than I have done.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 28, 2014, 09:26:30 AM
This is SPUD all over again.  The supposed open source development requires joining a private believer organization where supposed technology secrets are to be revealed.  Of course nothing like that ever happens.  The private believer organization becomes a cult of true believers waiting for godot.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 28, 2014, 04:31:18 PM
I recently came across this article by James Robitaille on how to tune the QEG to OU, which he wrote back in April, and was commented upon two today's ago. I guess I missed it way back when. Perhaps Kevin and his degreed and experienced band of electrical engineers numbering in the hundreds working secretively behind closed doors may find these pearls of wisdom illuminating?

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/manuals-documents-and-tutorials/542-qeg-instructions-for-engineers (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/manuals-documents-and-tutorials/542-qeg-instructions-for-engineers)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 28, 2014, 05:57:00 PM
Thank you for reminding us of that document. It contains the mathematical justification for the choice of 1.3 MHz for the "exciter" tuning.

But... after I did a little research and found ELEVEN, count'em, ELEVEN Standard Broadcast AM stations in Pennsylvania alone, broadcasting at frequencies between 1280 and 1320 kHz with a total radiated power of just under 50 kW....  The "correct" frequency suddenly became 7 MHz, according to James Robitaille, without corresponding mathematical justification.

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If you multiply 400Hz by 3250 (whole number) the result is 1,300,00.000 or 1.3MHz precisely. This means 400Hz is a mathematical harmonic of 1.3MHz. Therefore, 200Hz is also a whole number harmonic (6500). So with that in mind, we made some changes to the original exciter coil to make it a proper power resonant tank circuit. It’s very similar to what we released in March, and can be seen in the accompanying video. Here are the construction details: Using the same 4.75” O.D. Plexiglas tube as in the original release, we cut off 2 inches from one end and wound 60 turns of good quality #14 AWG stranded, jacketed wire (41X30 stranding). We glued a round Plexiglas cap on top of the coil form, and mounted terminals to connect to the generator output, antenna, ground, and spark gap (see video). We reduced the amount of turns from 100 to 60, in order to balance the inductor/capacitor combination for better frequency stability. Your coil should end up with about 190uH inductance. Instead of taking turns off to tune the coil, we used a 50-200pF mica variable capacitor from a high power radio transmitter.
 
 The value at 1.3MHz is about 80pF. Once this is assembled, here’s how to tune it:

And of course, as I have also shown and as anyone can see for themselves in the few oscilloscope screens that have been posted by QEG teams... NONE of them actually resonates at 400 Hz. None. Not even at 200 Hz.


So tell me Kevin.... what gives? Are you waking up yet and realizing that the Robtiailles have lied to you and are _still_ lying to you? You have no evidence whatsoever in support of your belief that any QEG anywhere will ever attain self-running, only the lies and prevarications of the Robitailles. This story of the "correct" exciter frequency should really be giving you pause. But of course, as PT Barnum knew and many social psychologists have shown in solid research, the more you pay for something the more you value it and the more you will refuse to believe it is actually garbage.

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The mechanism here, we believe, is that the QEG, running at 200Hz, drives the exciter coil into resonance by generating a strong whole number harmonic signal of 1.3MHz. This is the reason everything must be tuned precisely. Once the coil is resonating, it provides an open door to the 1.3Mhz signal in the atmosphere, much like a band-stop filter. We have information that the energy coming from the atmosphere (we can call it radiant energy) actually modifies the molecular structure of the core steel, causing it to become electrified and produce additional voltage. How can this radiant energy be superimposed on the much lower (200Hz) power frequency? We believe it happens by skin effect.

Skin effect !! That gets a ROFL for sure. But it gets even better. Notice that he is describing a _transmitter_ of broadband noise centered around 1300 kHz, right smack dab in the veritable middle of the AM standard broadcast band and within 20 kHz of ELEVEN commercial broadcast radio stations in Pennsylvania alone. The FCC will just love this.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 28, 2014, 06:10:59 PM
Do we really believe that the true signals in Figure 14 are in phase... or are we looking at the 90 degree _measurement_  phase shift introduced by the Stangenes current monitoring transformer they are using?  Real experimental scientists would have answered this issue immediately with a comparison test of their transformer and a current-monitoring resistor that does not introduce any phase shift in its measurements. As I have done.

And you can have that one for free, Kevin.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 28, 2014, 06:27:52 PM
Meanwhile.... while all of that sinks in, note this: I have used the _real output_ of my microQEG + transverter system to charge up a 12 volt SLA battery. Then I have used that same battery to _run_ the microQEG while it powers a motor load.  Yes, that's right folks, I have come closer to "self running" than any other QEG builders: I have run my microQEG on a battery that it charged, itself.
 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 28, 2014, 08:20:05 PM
Kevin I hope you are still looking in and reading some of the stuff being posted here. Much of this was covered in detail many months ago. James R. grossly miss measured the power output of  the QEG in the beginning, and made numerous wild claims. This group pointed this out to him and the rest of his team that his measurements were totally wrong. They then changed their OU claims to power measured in VARs (reactive or imaginary power), which HopeGirl heralded front and center in a fund raiser prior to going to the UK. This was complete nonsense of coarse, as all James was doing was measuring the stored energy in the primary tank circuit, which he had to limit using a spark gap to prevent damage to the core. 

TK's point about the phase shift introduced by the current measuring transformer is critically important. They most often introduce a 90 degree phase shift, making you think you are measuring real power (W) when you are really measuring reactive power (VARS).

Lastly, there is no doubt that James R. tried to steal electricity from broadcast stations. Here is a little piece I found on this from the UK that discusses this, and I'm sure the same laws apply in the US:
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Re: And is illegal in the UK
"As in the celebrated case of a a farmer using fluorescent tubes with some wire attached to the ends to light his cowshed. He was in the near field of a some large (IIRC BBC) transmitter."
You're right but I was told during a lecture that it was in the U.S. and it was signals from the ultra long wave submarine service (in the 10s of kHz). Perhaps, that's just another case.
Anyway, the net result was that it's considered stealing electricity (by longstanding case law). Seriously, this is a potential problem:
(a) with enough RX antennas absorbing energy, the effective service area will be reduced, and;
(b) increasing the TX power to overcome the increased 'absorption' will lead to excessive and necessary power levels, which, in the extreme, will increase the radio spectrum noise floor. (Increasing noise floor in spectrum management is already a significant issue.)
This getting-power-for-nothing idea has been around for some considerable time. Except for induction charging batteries (a la electric toothbrushes etc.) it's not been very effective. Always guaranteeing sufficient Volts/m to power devices is a problem as signal strength can fluctuate wildly. Whilst signal strength fluctuations are unlikely to cause problems to the the RF link (with AGC, limiting etc.), that cannot be said for devices which have to absorb power from surrounding RF to work.
These devices aren't absorbing low frequency stuff, rather UHF (from the antennas). UHF, of course, is much more prone to nodes and anti-nodes thus more unpredictable/unreliable than the ultra low freq. case to which I referred.
The whole tread is here: http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/08/14/boffins_hawk_powerless_radio/#c_1925349 (http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/08/14/boffins_hawk_powerless_radio/#c_1925349)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 29, 2014, 01:23:01 AM
Kevin, the last pictures of James R. in August showed him erecting Antennas outside his recently foreclosed property in PA. This was a Hail Mary attempt to show OU in his latest QEG build. Given that this was the track he was on, and his previously stated effort to tune the QEG to 1.3Mhz, and with no further information coming from him, and you working behind closed doors with your many degreed and experienced electrical and electronic engineers, I have to assume that you intend to go down the same path. Therefore, I need to point out.  that while possible, stealing electricity from broadcasters is strictly illegal, so I would encourage those publicly minded individuals with a conscience to email the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission  http://www.crtc.gc.ca/ (http://www.crtc.gc.ca/) of your intent.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 29, 2014, 01:30:44 AM
200. Kevin, you should look at the level of activity here on overunity.com http://www.overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/6240/#.VFA3LPldUzo (http://www.overunity.com/12736/kapanadze-cousin-dally-free-energy/6240/#.VFA3LPldUzo) as to what you might expect if you and your team were willing to share correspondence. I very much doubt that things are this intense behind your closed Skype door. Moreover, like be-do, the people who are contributing in your technical Skype forum are not likely to be real engineers with experience but more likely sycophantic "engineering artists".  If you really believe that there is some real science behind the QEG then you would wish to open up the dialog. There are many people here that really do want to make a positive contribution, but they also can smell bullshit and fraudsters a mile away!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 29, 2014, 03:17:43 AM
Kevin I hope you are still looking in and reading some of the stuff being posted here. Much of this was covered in detail many months ago. James R. grossly miss measured the power output of  the QEG in the beginning, and made numerous wild claims. This group pointed this out to him and the rest of his team that his measurements were totally wrong. They then changed their OU claims to power measured in VARs (reactive or imaginary power), which HopeGirl heralded front and center in a fund raiser prior to going to the UK. This was complete nonsense of coarse, as all James was doing was measuring the stored energy in the primary tank circuit, which he had to limit using a spark gap to prevent damage to the core. 

TK's point about the phase shift introduced by the current measuring transformer is critically important. They most often introduce a 90 degree phase shift, making you think you are measuring real power (W) when you are really measuring reactive power (VARS).

Lastly, there is no doubt that James R. tried to steal electricity from broadcast stations. Here is a little piece I found on this from the UK that discusses this, and I'm sure the same laws apply in the US:The whole tread is here: http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/08/14/boffins_hawk_powerless_radio/#c_1925349 (http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/08/14/boffins_hawk_powerless_radio/#c_1925349)

PCB:

I find your points about radios stations very interesting.  I have always contended, in many arguments here over the years, that a radio station that puts out say 50,000 watts has no idea if one radio is tuned in or 10,000 radios are tuned in.  I have also contended that if 20,000 folks tune in, the station does not have to up their power to continue being heard.

Of course, this was dealing with simply lighting a few leds from an antenna set-up and nothing that would "block" or "absorb" large areas of broadcast projections.  I was always taught that once those broadcast waves left the antenna and spanned outward, it did not matter if they went out into space unlistened to, or were heard by everyone in the area.  This is the first I have heard that I may indeed be wrong about this.  I will need to look into this further.  I appreciate your mentioning this as I hate have to have wrong assumptions floating around in my brain.

I agree with all of your thoughts in your posts reguarding the QEG.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 29, 2014, 03:50:30 AM
Kevin I hope you are still looking in and reading some of the stuff being posted here. Much of this was covered in detail many months ago. James R. grossly miss measured the power output of  the QEG in the beginning, and made numerous wild claims. This group pointed this out to him and the rest of his team that his measurements were totally wrong. They then changed their OU claims to power measured in VARs (reactive or imaginary power), which HopeGirl heralded front and center in a fund raiser prior to going to the UK. This was complete nonsense of coarse, as all James was doing was measuring the stored energy in the primary tank circuit, which he had to limit using a spark gap to prevent damage to the core. 

TK's point about the phase shift introduced by the current measuring transformer is critically important. They most often introduce a 90 degree phase shift, making you think you are measuring real power (W) when you are really measuring reactive power (VARS).

Lastly, there is no doubt that James R. tried to steal electricity from broadcast stations. Here is a little piece I found on this from the UK that discusses this, and I'm sure the same laws apply in the US:The whole tread is here: http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/08/14/boffins_hawk_powerless_radio/#c_1925349 (http://forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2013/08/14/boffins_hawk_powerless_radio/#c_1925349)

Appreciate your efforts.  But I am afraid the strain of truth is more than truthseeker could bear.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 29, 2014, 04:39:51 AM
@Pirate: There is a difference between "near field coupling" and the usual far-field reception of a radio station's broadcast power. If you are in the "near field" of the antenna source your extraction of power will indeed load the source. But the issue with the Robitaille's scheme isn't so much "stealing power" from the radio stations, although it is easy to arrange some little sparks. The real issue is that the system as described, with the exciter circuit connected to the motor-driven QEG,  is actually a _transmitter_ not a receiver and will be interfering with the legal broadcasts of the radio stations. Also any detected power around 1.3 MHz is going to be coming from the radio stations, not the "quantum energy zero-point field".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 30, 2014, 01:40:55 AM
@Pirate: There is a difference between "near field coupling" and the usual far-field reception of a radio station's broadcast power. If you are in the "near field" of the antenna source your extraction of power will indeed load the source. But the issue with the Robitaille's scheme isn't so much "stealing power" from the radio stations, although it is easy to arrange some little sparks. The real issue is that the system as described, with the exciter circuit connected to the motor-driven QEG,  is actually a _transmitter_ not a receiver and will be interfering with the legal broadcasts of the radio stations. Also any detected power around 1.3 MHz is going to be coming from the radio stations, not the "quantum energy zero-point field".

TK:

I thank you for that explanation.  It makes perfect sense.  So, if I have 50 radios at my home tuned to a certain station,  I am not "hogging" the signal and preventing others from receiving it unless the station boosts its output power?  That is what I "thought" I had learned a while back.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 30, 2014, 02:20:46 AM
TK:

I thank you for that explanation.  It makes perfect sense.  So, if I have 50 radios at my home tuned to a certain station,  I am not "hogging" the signal and preventing others from receiving it unless the station boosts its output power?  That is what I "thought" I had learned a while back.

Bill
Sort of:  In the far field from a non-directional antenna the incident power spreads out evenly perpendicular to the direction of propagation.  The power density falls as a square of the distance from the transmitter.  You can visualize this as a bubble that just keeps expanding forever.  The total power is spread across the surface of the bubble.  One does not have to get very far from the source before the power density has gotten very low compared to close to the source.  That makes it hard to come up with an antenna large enough to intercept a significant percentage of the radiant power.  However, the power that any antenna does intercept (assume matched impedance) gets directed to the receiver and does not propagate further.  Otherwise we would be able to multiply the power of a transmitter by setting up one set of receiving antennae after another in the propagation direction.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 30, 2014, 04:44:20 AM
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@Joel I have been doing some research and a lot of tinkering and have invented a solar powered QEG that I call the LEG. I'm in the process of building a massive array of these little LEGs to power my home and to send power back to the grid. I will to share this with you and everyone else here provided that you send me some money when you get it going on the honor system, and help with crowd funding efforts to bring my LEG technology to the poor peoples and the world. Here goes... To build this you will need some 12 or 14 gauge copper wire and a galvanized nail. I got the copper wire from the electrical wiring in my house, and pulled the nail(s) from my deck. Take a "L"emon and insert 3 copper wires each about 3" long twisted to together at the top in the right hand side of the lemon. Insert the nail with some copper wire attached in the left hand side of the lemon. Here is this break-though I made. Take about 2ft of copper wire and make a pig tail coil about 1" inch in diameter. This is equivalent to the exciter coil in QEG and captures the quantum energy in the environment. Insert one end of the coil into the center of the lemon between the two electrodes. It is important that the coil is perfectly vertical. For this device to work the coil must be vertically polarized and it acts as a quarter wave antenna. Here is the other important bit. Place the whole assembly inside a cardboard box and bring the electrodes wire out through the sides of the box. Close the lid of the box so that you can physically see it. Now comes the hard bit. Connect a voltmeter across the two electrodes wires and note the voltage. You now need to condition the coil with positive spiritual energy.  If you do this right the voltage will start increasing. Like I said I have put together about 1000 of these LEGs connected in series and parallel in a room of my house and have closed the door so that they can't be seen. Through humming and meditation I've been able to get more than 10 KW of power for several weeks now. Also I have found that by capturing quantum energy the lemon self rejuvenates and it never rots. Good luck with your build!

I like your sense of sarcasm, but lest get real....those little pesky atoms are getting FREEE energy since millions of years? Humanity has been blinded by human made electricity that you have to pay....while even getting a female pregnant is giving life for free (well you still have to pay for dinner ) but it is FREE energy none-the-less. IOW, you don't understand FREEE energy only “renewable energy” which such definitions come from people whom put an electric meter on your house! You need to step in to the matrix lol (referring to the movie).

Mother nature has all of this FREEE energy evidence, why is it so hard for you to believe in FREEE energy? Hhmmm, let me guess, a-they tell you there is none or b-you don't know about it....

Think about energy?
What is it?

Man made?

What is the SUN paying for it's energy?

And how is the sun getting it's energy from the dark spaces?

Who is giving the sun energy?

What decided to even create the sun?

It is 100% facts that humans did not create the SUN nor the STARS, just little things like taking peoples money and take a las vegas vacation with young females...lol...which does not sound bad, but that's only based on greed and not truth. As a matter of fact, i'm sure if you were ritch, you would not even be here...lol....it is simple....

Seeking truth because you want to see the truth or because the lack of money? (disregarding personal feelings)

Can you explain what evolution means? We all have to be fortune tellers, not just focus on the present.

Trust me, when you understand things further, your life becomes easier....the only hard part is trying to convince the money greedy people to give it to everyone...and then they need to go to therapy about loosing their millions. Pretty simple stuff.

The way you are responding is just a way of resentment when bullies made fun of you when you where young, which makes you a bully now in the your older years...also, has to do with frustration regarding not understanding how to be rich too! If you understand how forensics work, you will understand a lot of things.

Right now this PARTICULAR QEG is being therapy for all of these non-believers......you have the FACTS of the ATOM, SUN, MOON, EARTH, GALAXY, LIGHT, SOUND, ELECTRICITY, and you don't believe in FREEE energy, you must be blinded and not really smart man!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 30, 2014, 05:27:47 AM
Yet another wall of non-sequitur text from Joe fails to counter the fact that the QEG has never performed as claimed by its promoters.  The QEG's demonstrated performance is as a dismally inefficient power converter.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on October 30, 2014, 05:56:16 AM
I wonder if this thing could be retrofitted to mount on an Auroratek scooter ?

Hmmm, I can see it now - the Quantum Energy Scooter (QES)..yeah, thats the ticket.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 30, 2014, 10:52:11 AM
I wonder if this thing could be retrofitted to mount on an Auroratek scooter ?

Hmmm, I can see it now - the Quantum Energy Scooter (QES)..yeah, thats the ticket.

Regards...
Think of the redundancy aspects:  One mains powered boat anchor loaded by another.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 31, 2014, 12:00:41 AM
I like your sense of sarcasm, but lest get real....those little pesky atoms are getting FREEE energy since millions of years? Humanity has been blinded by human made electricity that you have to pay....while even getting a female pregnant is giving life for free (well you still have to pay for dinner ) but it is FREE energy none-the-less. IOW, you don't understand FREEE energy only “renewable energy” which such definitions come from people whom put an electric meter on your house! You need to step in to the matrix lol (referring to the movie).

Mother nature has all of this FREEE energy evidence, why is it so hard for you to believe in FREEE energy? Hhmmm, let me guess, a-they tell you there is none or b-you don't know about it....

Think about energy?
What is it?

Man made?

What is the SUN paying for it's energy?

And how is the sun getting it's energy from the dark spaces?

Who is giving the sun energy?

What decided to even create the sun?

It is 100% facts that humans did not create the SUN nor the STARS, just little things like taking peoples money and take a las vegas vacation with young females...lol...which does not sound bad, but that's only based on greed and not truth. As a matter of fact, i'm sure if you were ritch, you would not even be here...lol....it is simple....

Seeking truth because you want to see the truth or because the lack of money? (disregarding personal feelings)

Can you explain what evolution means? We all have to be fortune tellers, not just focus on the present.

Trust me, when you understand things further, your life becomes easier....the only hard part is trying to convince the money greedy people to give it to everyone...and then they need to go to therapy about loosing their millions. Pretty simple stuff.

The way you are responding is just a way of resentment when bullies made fun of you when you where young, which makes you a bully now in the your older years...also, has to do with frustration regarding not understanding how to be rich too! If you understand how forensics work, you will understand a lot of things.

Right now this PARTICULAR QEG is being therapy for all of these non-believers......you have the FACTS of the ATOM, SUN, MOON, EARTH, GALAXY, LIGHT, SOUND, ELECTRICITY, and you don't believe in FREEE energy, you must be blinded and not really smart man!
@Joel. I'm surprised by your cynical response.  My LEG is real and does actually work. Lemons grow in the SUN and capture its' energy. Why don't you take 10 Lemons (connected in series) and build my LEG generator as described and it WILL absolutely work. I am not kidding this is totally the real deal. Take some pictures and start your own thread (it's off topic for this one) to get the input from others here. Who knows where this could go. Also my LEG completely fits with your definition of the QEG. In other words, or rather your definitional words, my LEG is a QEG.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rigel4 on October 31, 2014, 02:41:32 AM
I hope that the dialog with Kevin keeps on going. The QEG is what it is ...
My question is that knowing the design and that it is externally powered is  "how was it ever going to work"?
If Kevin reads this, I hope that your team is reading this forum and at least in read-only mode keeping informed.

But again my question is why your team originally believed in this technology?

It's belief based science. And not a good one that I can see. So I just do not see how several teams of engineers could ever think it's was  going to be OU. There is an old smartscarecrow show (with Moray King about the William Hyde generator Patent #4,897,592 issued in 1991). This work  also  is a -> belief based idea, I mean by that (if you look at the device schematics) you can see that it could possibly work. Not proven by a long shot, but it looks like it could have some interesting efficiencies. This is starkly different from the QEG, I just can not see how anyone can not see it.
Thanks
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 31, 2014, 11:56:31 AM
I have asked the same question several times to Kevin and to any other QEG believer who will actually engage in dialog.... not many of them will... and have never gotten an answer or even an acknowledgement of the question.

"Why, exactly, do you think the FTW QEG design could work? What makes you believe that it will ever self-run or produce excess power over what it takes to drive it with the big electric motor?"

The _only_ reasons for holding this belief that I can find are:
1) the fraudulent WITTS demonstration video, which is widely accepted as faked by anyone who has researched Timothy Thrapp and WITTS, who claim to have dozens FE devices, miracle cures, etc but cannot actually prove any of their own claims;
and
2) the outright lies told by HopeGirl (Naima Feagin), Naicheval Robitai (Valerie Robitaille) and James Robitaille, who claimed that they had a working prototype of the device... until they were pressed and finally confessed that they do NOT, and never did, have anything even close to self-running or producing excess power.

So I think that this question is simply too embarrassing for the QEG builders to answer, because they would then have to face the FACT that they have all been suckered into spending a lot of money on something that has no _scientific_ credibility because they were lied to, many times, and they believed the lies.

All you have to do is spin it up to resonance and it will run itself! It can even be started with a crank mechanism! Present tense, no question or problem about it.
The lies are still there today, in the FAQs and the last pages of the "official plans" document.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=5 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=5)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 31, 2014, 01:08:23 PM
Kevin has been politely asked a number of times why he believes in the Robitailles' contraption.  Kevin has each time declined to say.  Maybe it's because:  He's embarrassed by the reasons, he doesn't have any reasons, or he doesn't actually believe.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on October 31, 2014, 07:52:54 PM
And these guys apparently bought 5 cores, that's $15,000 + shipping.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/358-inland-empire-s-cali (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/358-inland-empire-s-cali)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on October 31, 2014, 09:35:33 PM
And these guys apparently bought 5 cores, that's $15,000 + shipping.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/358-inland-empire-s-cali (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/358-inland-empire-s-cali)
News flash:  Free energy machine spontaneously generates black hole in the bank account of Vista residents.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 01, 2014, 02:37:58 AM
News flash:  Free energy machine spontaneously generates black hole in the bank account of Vista residents.

Mark:

But, as well all know and has been proven many times by folks that no one ever heard of......black holes are Overunity!  Right?  Therefore, financial black holes must be overunity also.  Not to mention that living off of the donations of hard earned money by others is also overunity.  0 work as input and hundreds of thousands of dollars as output.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 01, 2014, 02:47:24 AM
Mark:

But, as well all know and has been proven many times by folks that no one ever heard of......black holes are Overunity!  Right?  Therefore, financial black holes must be overunity also.  Not to mention that living off of the donations of hard earned money by others is also overunity.  0 work as input and hundreds of thousands of dollars as output.

Bill
Fiduciary black holes suck funds in  under extreme pressure and then spit out funds to promoters at the periphery in so called Hawker Radiation.  These intense jets of funds exert such tremendous force that it often blasts the hawkers off their home continent.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 01, 2014, 05:11:17 AM
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@Joel. I'm surprised by your cynical response.  My LEG is real and does actually work. Lemons grow in the SUN and capture its' energy. Why don't you take 10 Lemons (connected in series) and build my LEG generator as described and it WILL absolutely work. I am not kidding this is totally the real deal. Take some pictures and start your own thread (it's off topic for this one) to get the input from others here. Who knows where this could go. Also my LEG completely fits with your definition of the QEG. In other words, or rather your definitional words, my LEG is a QEG.

You don't understand anything until you understand how the atom works and from where it gets it's energy, until then, you are stupid... :) to put it bluntly...to put it in a nice way, you are just learning and evolving....or to think about it in another way, the time is ticking...since 2 seconds ago times has changed now 2 seconds later.

Stop making fun of things, you sound like a groupie throwing your bra at a rock band, stop and really think how QEGs really work.

Do some studies why the air flows?

Do some studies why the water flows?

Do some studies why the sound waves flow?

Do some studies why there always has to be a positive and negative?

When you understand that, you will understand that the QEG do have somethings to take out from.

It is pretty simple really, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER BUILT ONE DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NOT REAL. I mean, did you built air? Yet your breath it!!! did you built sound? Yet you hear it!!! did you built smell? Yet you smell it!!!!

I'm not Dr. Phil but it only seems like you are getting stuff out your chest by going against hope girl while being blinded from the truth!

Forget about the LEG, you need a HEAD.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 01, 2014, 05:22:10 AM
QEG's work badly as power converters.  They don't work at all as the free energy generators that the Robitailles claim they do.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 01, 2014, 05:32:20 AM
Why are people soooooo stupid to not see that getting more output from the input is FREEE energy in return?

There will always require energy in....I mean just think about the body for Christs sake....Light in to see with the eyes = energy. Smell in to smell fried chicken = energy. Sound in to hear danger = energy. Touch sensors to feel pain (avoid death) = energy. A human body is just a QEG. The beauty about it is understanding how the flesh can last for 100 yrs...also, the beauty about it is that it lasts that long with out a cable attached to it.....I mean common man, how is not a human being not self generating by getting food from the FREEEE energy?

The same could happen in the electronics. Remember, the big bang BANGED and gave all of this FREEEEE energy to everything. SOOO! Ritgh now, there is enough energy to go around this ilky way for billions of years until the light filament burns.

So we have evolved to gather FREEE energy to survive, civilized people are only just evolving to gather MORE FREEEE energy! That is all...in effect, they are still gathering FREEE energy!!!!

So gathering MORE free energy that normal is a QEG, which in return would make you pay less to the BIG BOYS...lol...IOW, unplug yourself from the system!

Does your body have a cable attached to you?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 01, 2014, 02:51:32 PM
Some people have very odd ideas about what constitutes free:

Purchase 3.3kWh of electricity from the utility.  Around here that would cost about $1.10. 
Pump that electricity through a QEG.
Get 1kWh of usable electricity out.

Compared to simply purchasing and using 1kWh from the utility for about $0.33 in the first place, this supposed "free energy" from the QEG seems very expensive indeed.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 01, 2014, 04:12:48 PM
It's only on the Bizarro world where the GEQ is considered to be a success story.  On the Bizarro world Htrae you go to school to get stupider, and you invest your money with the goal of losing money.  When a Bizarro person uses a GEQ he is happy with the results.

The Bizarro world Htrae is a cube instead of a sphere.  The stupider the things you say, the smarter you are considered to be.

!Aviv Bizarro!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ketone on November 01, 2014, 05:50:54 PM
It sounds like some here are trying to rewrite the way resonating Tank circuits operate....is it that hard to believe? Im not claiming the QEG is at WITTS level....but i do think they are close. :) another piece of the puzzle.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 01, 2014, 08:35:29 PM
It sounds like some here are trying to rewrite the way resonating Tank circuits operate....is it that hard to believe? Im not claiming the QEG is at WITTS level....but i do think they are close. :) another piece of the puzzle.

Sure, and when one of the duped Torelco core purchasers decided to fake a "self running" demo ... then they will be right at the WITTS level.


How do _you_ think resonating tank circuits operate?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 01, 2014, 09:13:02 PM
You don't understand anything until you understand how the atom works and from where it gets it's energy, until then, you are stupid... :) to put it bluntly...to put it in a nice way, you are just learning and evolving....or to think about it in another way, the time is ticking...since 2 seconds ago times has changed now 2 seconds later.

Stop making fun of things, you sound like a groupie throwing your bra at a rock band, stop and really think how QEGs really work.

Do some studies why the air flows?

Do some studies why the water flows?

Do some studies why the sound waves flow?

Do some studies why there always has to be a positive and negative?

When you understand that, you will understand that the QEG do have somethings to take out from.

It is pretty simple really, JUST BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEVER BUILT ONE DOES NOT MEAN THEY ARE NOT REAL. I mean, did you built air? Yet your breath it!!! did you built sound? Yet you hear it!!! did you built smell? Yet you smell it!!!!

I'm not Dr. Phil but it only seems like you are getting stuff out your chest by going against hope girl while being blinded from the truth!

Forget about the LEG, you need a HEAD.

Joel:

With all due respect Sir, (and I mean this)

You are an idiot!! 

There is no way that you actually believe the crap that you post on here....right?  Come on, you can tell me...OK?  You just make this crap up so you have something to post.....right?

I mean, I took a crap last night....is that free energy to you?  Is my ass a working QEG?

Please, please give it a rest son.  You called me a "Skunk" here, for whatever reasons you might have had swimming around in your head at the time which obviously make no sense to anyone else, so, I call you an idiot.  Anyone that doubts me can go back and read any ONE of your ranting posts.

How can anyone read any of my posts and think I am a "Skunk"?  I mean...really.  Skunks are not well known for being able to type on a computer keyboard and, most skunks can not afford internet service. 

So...once again, I fail to see any thread of intelligence in your postings.  To me they are all ramblings and all over the place making no sense at all to any one....with the possible exception of you, which almost makes me a bit scared.

If you are just being a troll here to gain attention...that is one thing, and I can understand that.

If you really believe ANY of the crap that you are posting...well....I really wish you luck....

Meanwhile...AGAIN, please refrain from going off-topic here.

Thank you,

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rigel4 on November 02, 2014, 04:57:51 AM
[If you are just being a troll here to gain attention...that is one thing, and I can understand that.
Meanwhile...AGAIN, please refrain from going off-topic here. ...snip]

Three things.
1. If everyone stops feeding the troll he will go away. Attention=food.
2. Ranting Rosie could use a man with so many ideas about how things really work. She is busy rewriting physics as we speak, she desperately needs someone with a knack for putting such ideas together. Right now she is having an argument with both Maxwell and Einstein on all the stuff they missed.
3. PESN is always looking for a few good idea people. Maybe Stuart C. needs a break from all the heavy lifting as a moderator and Joel could fill in for a bit. Joel you can go off topic there all you want and no one would even know. As an added bonus you will always have the last word!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 02, 2014, 05:42:41 AM
[If you are just being a troll here to gain attention...that is one thing, and I can understand that.
Meanwhile...AGAIN, please refrain from going off-topic here. ...snip]

Three things.
1. If everyone stops feeding the troll he will go away. Attention=food.
2. Ranting Rosie could use a man with so many ideas about how things really work. She is busy rewriting physics as we speak, she desperately needs someone with a knack for putting such ideas together. Right now she is having an argument with both Maxwell and Einstein on all the stuff they missed.
3. PESN is always looking for a few good idea people. Maybe Stuart C. needs a break from all the heavy lifting as a moderator and Joel could fill in for a bit. Joel you can go off topic there all you want and no one would even know. As an added bonus you will always have the last word!

I agree with your points 1, 2, and 3.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sermountain on November 03, 2014, 04:56:56 PM
Dear Overunity forum members,

Does anyone replicated QEG successfully? Who got what it must to be?

Please post here a link to such a work - QEG replication that work and produce more power than consumes?

Thank you in advance for clear answer.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 03, 2014, 05:14:20 PM
Dear Overunity forum members,

Does anyone replicated QEG successfully? Who got what it must to be?

Please post here a link to such a work - QEG replication that work and produce more power than consumes?

Thank you in advance for clear answer.

The clear answer is "No."

The only "self running" QEG that has ever been demonstrated is the one by Timothy Thrapp of WITTS Ministries, from years ago, that you can find easily enough on YouTube. This demonstration is widely believed to be a hoax.

The Robitailles, James and Valerie, _claimed_ to have a working prototype as recently as April of 2014, but these claims were false as James Robitaille admitted in the PESN interview, also released in April.

Team after team, upon spending around 5-7 thousand dollars each at minimum to buy parts and arrange test loads and equipment... have found it easy to attain "resonance" ... and have stalled at that point, as they begin to realize the truth of the matter. Nobody has come close, certainly not "within hours", of making a QEG self-run, since they are massively inefficient from the outset. The most reliable efficiency figures that have actually been reported are on the order of 17-30 percent, although one set of workers has reported up to around 50 percent efficiency.  As I have repeatedly said, they can do far better than this by simply driving another ordinary generator, with their drive motor.

One team in particular has claimed that "resonance" is the critical element that is necessary for overunity and even that the high measurements of Reactive Power indicate actual OU performance. They cannot explain, however, why certain solid-state devices costing only a few dollars can outperform the QEG in these parameters, but nevertheless remain underunity.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 04, 2014, 04:59:33 AM
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You are an idiot!!
Can you explain to me how the body gathers it's energy? In the modern human you eat breakfast/lunch/dinner... you spend money to buy processed foods...for an adult middle income person that would be about 10-20 dollars a day. If you get payed $14 dollars an hour, that's like one hour of work fueled your body to work for 8 hours...and not only that continue to live till 8 more hours or the next day where you eat breakfast again. I may be thinking out of the box here but the body takes in little fuel and gives greater out put.

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There is no way that you actually believe the crap that you post on here....right?  Come on, you can tell me...OK?  You just make this crap up so you have something to post.....right?

It's all just observations and not crap. Tell me why is the purpose of the sun a transformer to reduce “the big bang” energy to supply the earth? I know 100% with out a doubt that you don't know! So that's our quest to figure out! It is not crap that I post, it's just what my eyes see. Yes we can breathe air, we can start fires, we can see light, we can dissect animals, but you still don't understand it all. I gave the analogy of back in the days people believing that the earth was carried by a turtle...today it can be the same because we have not figured everything out. This is sooo obvious that only a closed minded person will stop evolving...since not believing that you know everything is what moves you forward.

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I mean, I took a crap last night....is that free energy to you?  Is my ass a working QEG?

This is kind of a stupid question. Everything is energy eating energy....your crap would just be a sand of grain in the beach in the ocean of the energy. Lol. In fact, your crap is food for many microbial animals and in fact, you have millions of microbial animals in your crap gate lol...also in your bed and in your skin...the same can be said about FREEE energy, there are parasites in FREEE energy too. Pretty simple to imagine and prove too...since it's facts..lol

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Please, please give it a rest son.  You called me a "Skunk" here, for whatever reasons you might have had swimming around in your head at the time which obviously make no sense to anyone else, so, I call you an idiot.  Anyone that doubts me can go back and read any ONE of your ranting posts.

I don't like to debate with people who are close minded because I will just waste energy to understand them and then the end result is just negativity. Even in math, a negative plus a positive = a negative. While a positive plus a positive = a positive. Is not that I don't know what i'm talking about is just that you don't open your mind to understand the universe.

I mainly started posting here because I saw hopegirl being attacked by her movement. She has more cojones than you guys in this forum lol. That movement reminds me of the people that speak about aliens too...where it is suppressed and not encouraged...but the people who have seen them talk to people and they call them crazy by the blind masses...how stupid do you have to be to not believe in aliens?
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So...once again, I fail to see any thread of intelligence in your postings.  To me they are all ramblings and all over the place making no sense at all to any one....with the possible exception of you, which almost makes me a bit scared.
I have been isolated for years and mostly concentrating how the world works. I can fix practically anything with hand tools. HVAC = circuit board, three phase motors, contactors, relays, capacitors, sensors, etc. Automotive, engine, body, paint, suspension, etc. I also took art and didn't like it...too much energy wasted with very little rewards, unless you cater to the rich...i got first place in art many times. What else, computers, electric tools, home theater systems...they all work by the same civilized human knowledge...but they all disregard why is the working light there?
Who created light? Or what's the light's purpose? Maybe a way to distribute free energy only?
I'm always thinking outside the box...my mind is not in the present....but i'm not a crazy mofo...i just like learning things and understanding the past to understand the future...which is life and not entertainment.
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If you are just being a troll here to gain attention...that is one thing, and I can understand that.
My main reason for posting here is because of all the bullying towards hopegirl....regarding attention, who doesn't like that lol. I may be wrong but I see her movement as a martin Luther king or ghandi...not as someone who is trying to take advantage of people at all. For that you already have your car/life insurance companies.
Ok, back on the meat of the bone, Do you believe that based on all of the natures evidence, QEGs do not exist?
What do you think about all of this FREEE energy that is giving by nature?
To me the energy equation is very very balanced and true! You know why? Because money does not give energy back, it's just paper. And in this time and age, just probably just virtual numbers. So now your crap is turned to make a profit and not to feed other energy?
English is my second language sir...but I can guarantee that you can only see what is in front of your nose.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 04, 2014, 05:47:32 AM
Soooooooo if I see “the big bang” it was created from FREEE energy. If I see all of the billions of starts glowing in the sky = FREEE energy. If I see all of the clusters of galaxies in the sky = FREEE energy. If I see “dark matter” in the sky = FREEE energy. What else is there to see, a 120/250v AC electrical outlet?
The mind shows that you always need to take FREEE energy from all elements in order to get greater output. → air, sound, light, motion....and who knows what “dark matter” is besides just being dark to our eyes....but to get greater output you need to be a thief from all natures FREEE resources. Like the human body needs light from the sun, air, and hearing to live longer...plus the brain seems to play a big role too....very very obvious...the human body is FREEE living.
The evidence is all over the place as to not believe in QEGs....lol, in all businesses, the main point is about making money...so what you pay they bought it (got it) for cheaper....that is the way money works....you cannot make money if you don't get little input and greater output?....if you invest 1000 dollars to get 1000 dollars back, well what was the point? If you invest 1000 and get 2000, then that's how you make you millions....simple facts. Little input greater output even in money making. I already mentioned the government prints 100 dollar bills for cents to the dollar and the difference between printing a 1 dollar VS a 100 dollar is just in the ink to print an extra zero and different graphics in the die. Still in the ccenst range!!!
I want to bet 1000 dollars that in the future QEGs would be all over the place but I think I would not make much money.....I just realized i'm debating with the poor class. Which is not really profitable!
What would happen to the world if all minds where closed? You would just be when someone with an open mind come up with something...A) prove it or B) why didn't I think of that. lol

Just sharing my thoughts people....like you are too.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on November 04, 2014, 09:02:34 AM
@joel321
"Even in math, a negative plus a positive = a negative. While a positive plus a positive = a positive. Is not that I don't know what i'm talking about is just that you don't open your mind to understand the universe."

 - What do you think about: -1+2 = ?????
 - Is it négative?

And all your sentences are like this simple statement: simply wrong!

 - PS:   This is just for you.     
     Answer  : -1+2= +1
     - Even a five years  child know this...
     Negative numbers do not make the law, even with the multiplications:
         (+x) * (+x) = +x²
         (-x) * (+x) =  - x²
         (+x) * (-x) =  - x²
         (-x) * (-x) =  + x²

Have a good day.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on November 04, 2014, 01:40:42 PM
There seems to be an inversely proportional correlation with the donation well running dry and the joel type post running wild
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on November 04, 2014, 07:42:18 PM



 Joel,
       have a look at video on reply 5 of Tommey Reed's
OverUnity experiments and see how much a motor generator wastes.
   A QEG based on Hope Girl isn't the way to go. There could however
be a development in quantum engineering that leads us to some sort
of generator, I'll give you that!
                         John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 04, 2014, 08:14:29 PM
When you think about it, a human being is like a QEG but not for the reasons that Joel states.  We take in energy and produce a lot of waste heat just to stay alive.  The mechanical work we do is much less than the waste heat that we generate, just like the QEG generates an electrical output that is much less than the waste heat that it generates.  A human being is powered by food and produces a lot of waste heat.  A QEG is powered by electricity and produces a lot of waste heat.

And the parasites are Naima, Valerie, and Jamie.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 05, 2014, 07:48:07 AM
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- What do you think about: -1+2 = ?????
- Is it négative?

What about 1 + (-2) = ? is it a negative?

It is pretty simple life....BTW, the negative sing is just the same as “the big bang theory” since there is not really anything -0 (understanding past the big bang)....but we can see clearly that the greater the number takes the medal.

Positive one plus a negative two = a negative one.

Negative one plus a  positive two = a positive one.

What is a.....

(-1) + (+1) = ?

(-1) + (-1) = ?

(+1) + (+1) = ?

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And all your sentences are like this simple statement: simply wrong!

(-1) + (+1) = ?

(-1000000) + (+1000000) = 0

what type of items in the real world are negative numbers?

Is there such a thing that exists that is -1/0 in real life? What is it? A negative human being walking around or what?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on November 05, 2014, 09:48:02 AM
I see the latest two crowd funding efforts have failed,


One raising only $20 or $150,000 requested
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/quantum-energy-generator#home


The second one only $1600 of $22,000 requested after 37 days
https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/5sLS9/sh/5440C3


So people finally woke up and all the words in the world want change that Joel321. People have spoken with their wallets. Common sense has finally prevailed.


And what of Morocco? The old women still carry the water.


I offered in public and private to come up and help them measure the device when they were in Taiwan, or course they did not allow me as they were still in the middle of fleecing the people.


Luckily the Articles at Revolution Green and the posts here saved a lot of people a lot of money.
The verdict is out, the jury has spoken, no one is interested , no one cares except for a few die hards trying to justify their decision to throw their money away on a scam.


Kind Regards
Mark
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on November 05, 2014, 11:35:23 AM
What about 1 + (-2) = ? is it a negative?

It is pretty simple life....BTW, the negative sing is just the same as “the big bang theory” since there is not really anything -0 (understanding past the big bang)....but we can see clearly that the greater the number takes the medal.

Positive one plus a negative two = a negative one.

Negative one plus a  positive two = a positive one.

I quote you:
"@joel321
 Even in math, a negative plus a positive = a negative. While a positive plus a positive = a positive. Is not that I don't know what i'm talking about is just that you don't open your mind to understand the universe."

 - So you are contradicting yourself!

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What is a.....

(-1) + (+1) = ?

(-1) + (-1) = ?

(+1) + (+1) = ?

(-1) + (+1) = ?

(-1000000) + (+1000000) = 0



 -  You have 1000000 oranges et you give it to somebody!  0 orange left, normal so what else?

 - And I was writing about rule sign multiplication not addition...


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what type of items in the real world are negative numbers?

 - Yet another child question!
  It's a convention. Numbers are humain invention, and Arithmetic also. If you put the origin in the middle of a rule, you got positive and negatives number.
  Decceleration is the negative of  Acceleration, Time before a certain date can be negative, etc...

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Is there such a thing that exists that is -1/0 in real life? What is it? A negative human being walking around or what?

 -  Not applicable here!
It's just the négative end of a never ending rule, no problem.
Arithmetics things are used to make a modelisation of the physical word, and are always used in a given physical measurement range...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 06, 2014, 07:05:04 AM
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So you are contradicting yourself!

Not really...I am right since a (-0) + (+0) = (+0) which does not even make sense. A (+0) + (+0) = (+0) or just (0)...you cannot add up two zeros while you can put them in front of a 1 to make 100 positive virtual things.

I'm not a mathematician or anything I just find math as a virtual animal. I cannot contradict myself when I don't even believe in math.

I believe in facts...and facts tell me that there are no negative items in life.

I already asked!!!! What in life is a negative number?

What the hell is this dash “-”?

If I push a dash right next to me I become a negative number?

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-  You have 1000000 oranges et you give it to somebody!  0 orange left, normal so what else?

Of course, but are they positive or negative oranges? That is simple stuff, what I don't get is the negative numbers existing.

Convert -0 oranges in to a real orange?

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- And I was writing about rule sign multiplication not addition...

ohhh the “rule” forgive me GOD...for questioning your all mighty rules...lol....i know what you said...I just don't understand the negative numbers. As a mater of fact, what is a zero? A zero cannot be a zero since we can count two zeros in front of 1 to make 100 ones...what?

I have ten ducks = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 that means 1+0?  does not make sense.

How did the 0 replaced the 9 1's?

That is just a a virtual number and not real..lol...

0000 = 0 1000 = one thousand 1's

Are two 0's not two 0's?

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It's a convention. Numbers are humain invention, and Arithmetic also. If you put the origin in the middle of a rule, you got positive and negatives number.
  Decceleration is the negative of  Acceleration, Time before a certain date can be negative, etc...

Evolution of numbers started with the #1...10 goats are 1111111111 and not 1+0. The 1 is actual goats...1 goats plus one goat plus one goat plus one goat etc....the confusing part starts when the goat becomes a zero. So! There is 1 goat plus a 0 goat together make ten goats? What? One zero replaced 9 goats by being a zero....that's not real life LOL.

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It's just the négative end of a never ending rule, no problem.
Arithmetics things are used to make a modelisation of the physical word, and are always used in a given physical measurement range...

yeah I get that, but they are adding up virtual numbers....and not real life numbers.  :o
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 06, 2014, 11:29:40 AM
I see that Joel has successfully managed to high jack this thread. For Joel what is up is down etc. There is no reasoning with him. I believe he is a holographic projection from the edge of our universe that has somehow gotten scrambled.

HopeGirl, James, etal have disappeared from the scene it would seem as predicted.

No new reports from South Africa for many weeks now since getting to resonance, running typical to theme.

No new info from the many degreed and experienced EEs and EEEs in Canada. Also running typical to theme.

In the meantime I'm designing and building a Graphene based lantern to bring light to third world. No mysterious QEG or other spooky stuff going on here, just really interesting chemistry and innovative joules thief circuitry.

Cheers and thank's for all the fish!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 06, 2014, 11:55:30 AM
Oh, no, why do you think there should be any updates from the Blundell mob? You know you have to join their Secret Open-Source Society and get on the email list in order to be informed that there has been no progress at all, no matter how much extra money is thrown down the rabbit hole.

It is starting to sink in, world-wide: The FTW QEG is a big heavy noisy expensive piece of useless and unsafe junk, and there never was any legitimate reason for believing it would work as claimed by the cynical liars Valerie Robitaille and Naima Feagin and the poor dupe James Robitaille. 

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on November 06, 2014, 03:24:19 PM
@joel321
Joel, do you know how your computer works? Do you know it uses two digits ( 1 and 0) to stock in memory and make calculus on very large numbers.
 Even for a microprocessor ten ducks = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1  means 1010 (in binary or 10 in decimal) .
 Even Babylonian peoples, 5000 years ago, whose using an empty place to mark the absence of a digit and write numbers!
 And why do you write :   ten ducks = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1   
 and  not 9+1 in decimal?   
 Or in binary   1001 + 0001 ?
    1 duck =      1
    2 duck =    10
    3 duck =    11
    4 duck =  100
    5 duck =  101
    6 duck =  110   
    7 duck =  111
    8 duck = 1000
    9 duck = 1001 and ....
   10 duck = 1010  this mean 1*(2^3)+0*(2^2)+1*(2^1)+0*(2^0)
  etc...
 The Humans  invented positional notation long ago...
 And you know it...

Here what I think:
 - 1) May be, but I don't believe, you really  know nothing about numbers, and even about all the physical world!
   So, here is a link on positional notation
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional_notation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Positional_notation)
   You really need to read it...  :)
 - 2) Or you are a troll, and it's better to not feed the trolls.  ;)
So, and until you write something who show a "little nowledge" about QEG, I prefers stop because we are off topic.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rigel4 on November 07, 2014, 02:28:37 AM
2) Or you are a troll, and it's better to not feed the trolls.  ;)
So, and until you write something who show a "little nowledge" about QEG, I prefers stop because we are off topic.

You are right about feeding.
This thread is so far off the rails you can't even hear the  train whistle. I am having fun reading the responses. People from all over are reading it (Hi Rosy!)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 07, 2014, 06:00:58 AM
Quote
Joel, do you know how your computer works? Do you know it uses two digits ( 1 and 0) to stock in memory and make calculus on very large numbers.

Yes I do, in fact human copied the nature to come up with those numbers. But they still don't explain how a 0 can replace 9 1's... all it is it Morse code... which is wayyy different than actually replacing 9 goats with a zero.

Replace the 1 with a 9 and the zero with a 1 and it will all still mean the same....

1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1 = 9191 in the new modified binary?  where 9 becomes 1 and 1 becomes 0...sooooooo 10 would be 91 in decimal....all virtual language!!!

 
Quote
Even for a microprocessor ten ducks = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1  means 1010 (in binary or 10 in decimal) .
 Even Babylonian peoples, 5000 years ago, whose using an empty place to mark the absence of a digit and write numbers!

I understand microprocessors, it's just how the brain works....that is in the realm of memory ONLY and not in the realm of real life...hard to explain but in other words....binary is just a “memory” language and NOT a real life language...to put it in another way, it only works in the micro world!!!

That means that ATOMS only understand that language...NEGATIVE and POSITIVE...ONLY. Since atoms do not have consciousness. Consciousness has evolved past dot dot dot dot dot.... our brain can predict the future and not live in a human made virtual world....

 
Quote
And why do you write :   ten ducks = 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1   
 and  not 9+1 in decimal?   
 Or in binary   1001 + 0001 ?
    1 duck =      1
    2 duck =    10
    3 duck =    11
    4 duck =  100
    5 duck =  101
    6 duck =  110   
    7 duck =  111
    8 duck = 1000
    9 duck = 1001 and ....
   10 duck = 1010  this mean 1*(2^3)+0*(2^2)+1*(2^1)+0*(2^0)
  etc...

Like I said, is just a language....the numbers could change to anything in binary.... e.g.

1= 000
2=003
3=300

etc...as long as the language is define binery will always equal the end definition....it's just a language...it's not something that is the RULE OF THE UNIVERSE!!! why is it so hard to grasp that simple thing?


Quote
The Humans  invented positional notation long ago...
 And you know it...

NOOOO!!! the humans have not invented anything!!! All they are trying to do is UNDERSTAND the universe. They don't invent anything!!! they just learn anything!!!

Air is here!

Water is here!

Atoms are here!

Electricity is here!

The sun is here!

Everything is here...so the humans do not invent anything....they just learn based on the universe laws that they are suppose to learn this things....humans are nothing compared to the universe laws...lol...don't get all cocky.


I think you need to talk to me more about the QEG and stop deralying the thread with your 100% understanding of numbers!!!

lets focus more on QEGs, answer me why a galaxy floating freely with no cable plugged in to the galaxy?

Answer me why the big bang banged in the first place?

I already mentioned that cars can run from water....like the USA navy is going to fuel their boats with in the future. Fueling cars with water has been invented since long ago...the army has had social pressure to admit it recently. This means that in the future water will fuel your car, but first we have to ask too get this FREE energy which is water...lol....wake up dude...the sun is not paying money to the FREEE galaxy energy to be able to shine in the milky way!!!

so in that regard, QEGs do exists, it's just that people are so blinded as to not even put an effort in discovering truth!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 07, 2014, 07:33:07 AM
Fe fi fo fum...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rV8TqqBYzO0

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 08, 2014, 03:42:46 AM
I see Joel is still trying to hijack this topic and distract from the fact that the QEG deal is a scam and does not work.  I wonder if he is receiving checks from Morocco for his efforts?  Or, did he just drop like $3,000 into this false project and is unwilling to admit he has been scammed?

He has gone from the Hoover dam to binary codes and still has yet to make an on topic post here.  Maybe he should just purchase a Shop-Vac, which is a proven technology, and make his posts over at Sterling's site.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 08, 2014, 06:09:58 AM
About a month ago Naima said this:

Quote
We are planning to launch TWO NEW SHOWS that we be broadcasted here from the Fix the World Headquarters:

...

"The Peoples Free Energy Show"
The People are taking their power back
 Weekly updates on the continued work around the world of new technology and energy devices including the QEG, brought to you by the Fix the World Team.
1 hour Wednesday 8PM EST.

Any sign of this?

I am not feeling it...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 08, 2014, 03:51:20 PM
About a month ago Naima said this:

Any sign of this?

I am not feeling it...

Let's face it.... things don't always turn out as Naima Feagin (HopeGirl) promises, do they. Remember the weekly radio show with James Robitaille answering call-in questions that was promised months ago, but never happened? Remember the "hours away from self running"? The "water pump" for the poor farmers surrounding the resort community of Aouchtam? I wish someone would tabulate all the promises and predictions and statements from Naima Feagin and her mother Valerie Robitaille that turned out not to happen, not to be true, etc.  Look: If Naima says it, that right there is good reason to doubt it, based on her past performance.

Well over a year into this story, there is still not a single QEG anywhere that even comes close to ordinary generator efficiency, much less to running itself... or being capable of being started with a "crank mechanism". Yet, even on the moribund Be-Do forum, you can still find the lies in the FAQs: All you have to do is run it up to resonance and it will run itself. 

Still checking in from time to time, Kevin Blundell? How's that Skype thing going, made any breakthroughs yet? Emails flashing back and forth: We've Got Resonance!... and then what? Nothing, that's what, and that's all you are ever going to get: A big noisy inefficient generator that can light up a few paltry incandescents, wasting half or more the power you put into the big motor driving the thing. And wasting, all told, many hundreds of thousands of dollars and many many work-hours of otherwise creative and intelligent people all over the world.  The only people who have been successful in any way are Torelco, making a profit on each core they sell to the hopeful and gullible fools... yes, FOOLS, who believed the outright lies and distortions from Naima Feagin, Valerie Robitaille and the poor browbeaten dupe James Robitaille.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 08, 2014, 08:36:14 PM
I find this extremely bizarre. On Kevin's GoFundMe page http://www.gofundme.com/qegac-quantum-energy-gen (http://www.gofundme.com/qegac-quantum-energy-gen) he makes these incredible statements of fact:

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For the moment the QEG is a prototype, which simply means that it is under development. However, it does achieve over unity, which is why teams of qualified engineers around the world, in Taiwan, Germany, Morroco, Florida, China and else where are building QEGs right now and experimenting with it, modifying it, in order to achieve maximum over unity output of usable clean power. 

It takes approximately 1000 watts to run the QEG and when functioning at maximum efficiency can output 40,000 watts of clean non-polluting quantum energy.  (The average Canadian home requires 26,000 watts for heating and electical needs). 

Where is the evidence that any of these bolded statements are true?  Who are these teams of qualified engineers. I have not seen one individual in any of the videos that can be legitimately called a qualified engineer.  They are all quakes. By making these statements without any demonstrable  evidence of their truth, Kevin is raising money of a totally false pretense. In my mind this is outright fraud, but perhaps this is an OK thing do this within the gofundme culture, were people do not mind being taken for a ride it seems.  Using Kevin's standard for the truth anybody could make the most outrageous performance claims and get away with it scot-free.
 
If Kevin has any real integrity he will take this page down and return any money with a letter of apology to the people who donated. It's OK to admit that you were taken in by HopeGirl, James, etal, but it is not OK to continue the charade any longer. HopeGirl and her family have fled the country for heavens sake!  To continue to perpetrate this lie is simply wrong. The good news is that the contributors seem to have cottoned on.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 08, 2014, 09:05:06 PM
 "However, it does achieve over unity..."


Wow, this is a bold statement for him to make (And continue to make since it is still posted up there) without ANY testing by any qualified person or persons proving it to be true.

I think that any person using such an unsubstantiated claim on a site for the purpose of raising funds should be tossed in jail!  This is as bad as the original fraud being committed by HopelessGirl.

Kevin should return all of the money raised while this false claim was posted on the site.  If not, the proper authorities should be notified and, unless he too flees to Morocco, he should serve time in jail.

This is a scam, within a scam, wrapped in a scam.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 08, 2014, 10:38:51 PM
The claim of overunity is false, plain and simple. It is no different than if I said, "Send me ten dollars today and I will put it into my GreenMoney Machine and turn it into a hundred dollars and send it back to you... soon." Perhaps anyone who gives money under those kinds of pretenses deserves to lose it. Or perhaps they shouldn't be allowed to handle money at all, being clearly incompetent to make good decisions.

And the claims of even potential OU also have no support in reality at all. Anyone who has donated to that fund has been defrauded, because the claims made are false and have no support whatsoever in reality. "Qualified engineers"? Excuse me, but in Canada you have PEs, Professional Engineers, who have a code of ethics. Kevin Blundell is not one of them, obviously.

But look at the pitiful response: only 50 people have donated, over a span of seven months, and the campaign is far short of its goal. No doubt Kevin thought he'd get thousands of dollars instantly based on those false claims, but he waited too long, the well is already poisoned.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 08, 2014, 11:23:44 PM


 No doubt Kevin thought he'd get thousands of dollars instantly based on those false claims, but he waited too long, the well is already poisoned.



Good!  Then maybe we can score another one for the good guys here on the O.U. website for busting yet another scam.  Is Sterling still backing this one?  Or, has he seen the light?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 09, 2014, 05:40:53 AM
Generally when you take public funds you feel an obligation to share how that money is being spent and what results you are achieving. Here we have a situation where the activities and results are being keep secrete. There is no transparency or any semblance of honesty here. I find this deeply troubling as it taints the whole concept of miro funding. I guess Kevin feels he has met his obligation by announcing that resonance has been achieved. After all that's all the other groups have done. We hear at OU already know there is nothing more to be gotten from this device. Embarrassment and shame I'm sure begin to set in on those who took money under these shameful pretenses, and who made such outrageous false claims of overunity. Really a 40 to 1 power gain stated as a matter of fact with no device having ever been previously built that shows this to be true. It's been over a week since Kevin invited MileHigh to joint his secrete society. We know that he lacks good engineers to help with the QEG, since he previously asked for such help. The truth must be setting in that he is really just banging his head against a wall.  The problem Kevin is that turning on a few light bulbs is all you are going to get out of this device. There is nothing more to be got, and I'm sure your guys are or have exhausted all possibilities for getting better results from this hunk of iron. Your build is likely not even 30% efficient. The million dollar question is will you eventually admit to this fact, or will you just go quietly into the night like HopeGirl and family? What will you say in a month or two when your device gives no substantially better results than is did when you first powered it up?

In the US PE of course stands for Principal Engineer. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 09, 2014, 06:16:57 AM
A problem with free energy machines is that even if one were able to get 98% or 99% efficiency, the difficulty of increasing efficiency towards 100% becomes exponentially more difficult and crossing 100%, well it has never been done.  Starting at 30% it's time to go home.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: orbut 3000 on November 09, 2014, 09:39:43 AM
Well, all you smart people who pretend to know that the QEG is a scam, may I ask: have you built one? No? Then how can you say it won't work?
Can you explain, in one sentence, how a goat works?
Why galaxies rotate all by themselves without the help of a giant hamster?
How is it possible that if you add two single digit numbers below five you'll end up with only one single digit number?
Where are my pills?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on November 09, 2014, 11:57:06 AM
Where are my pills?
Please take your medications as prescribed daily and hopefully these delusions will get better.
I wish you the best.
Perhaps the question is "where is any evidence that a QEG produces any excess energy"?
Kind Regards
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on November 09, 2014, 01:17:10 PM



  orbut,
         I can tell you how a goat works. It stands on it's hind legs and eats your prize
  plants, then deposits currants on your doorstep.
    If someone told you that they could make water flow uphill without help you would
  find that very silly.
     If someone told you they could raise the efficiency of a generator from 35% to 130%
   you wouldn't believe them, would you?
                   John.p
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on November 09, 2014, 02:25:55 PM
Well, all you smart people who pretend to know that the QEG is a scam, may I ask: have you built one? No? Then how can you say it won't work?
Can you explain, in one sentence, how a goat works?
Why galaxies rotate all by themselves without the help of a giant hamster?
How is it possible that if you add two single digit numbers below five you'll end up with only one single digit number?
Where are my pills?

The goat works as a "mammalian - browsing ruminant herbivore", simple. This describes how the goat sustains itself and also
how it recreates and feeds it's young. As long as you know what being a "mammalian - browsing ruminant herbivore" means.

The workings or the goat can be summarized in only four words or so.

Gee Wizz.  :o

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 09, 2014, 04:33:40 PM
Generally when you take public funds you feel an obligation to share how that money is being spent and what results you are achieving. Here we have a situation where the activities and results are being keep secrete. There is no transparency or any semblance of honesty here. I find this deeply troubling as it taints the whole concept of miro funding. I guess Kevin feels he has met his obligation by announcing that resonance has been achieved. After all that's all the other groups have done. We hear at OU already know there is nothing more to be gotten from this device. Embarrassment and shame I'm sure begin to set in on those who took money under these shameful pretenses, and who made such outrageous false claims of overunity. Really a 40 to 1 power gain stated as a matter of fact with no device having ever been previously built that shows this to be true. It's been over a week since Kevin invited MileHigh to joint his secrete society. We know that he lacks good engineers to help with the QEG, since he previously asked for such help. The truth must be setting in that he is really just banging his head against a wall.  The problem Kevin is that turning on a few light bulbs is all you are going to get out of this device. There is nothing more to be got, and I'm sure your guys are or have exhausted all possibilities for getting better results from this hunk of iron. Your build is likely not even 30% efficient. The million dollar question is will you eventually admit to this fact, or will you just go quietly into the night like HopeGirl and family? What will you say in a month or two when your device gives no substantially better results than is did when you first powered it up?

In the US PE of course stands for Principal Engineer.

Ditto.

To be perfectly clear, and repeating yet again:

1. Kevin Blundell, why does your crowdfunding campaign repeat the _proven lie_ that the device you are building makes 40:1 output:input usable power? You are soliciting donations based on proven false claims and this is clearly unethical if not downright criminal. Unless of course you are a religious institution, in which case I LOL all over the place.

2. Kevin Blundell, what is the actual reason that you believe, IF you actually do believe, that any QEG could possibly attain self running? Is it because you were told so by the _proven liars_ Naima Feagin, Valerie Robitaille and the poor dupe James Robitaille? Is it because of the widely discredited fraudulent WITTS demonstration? Is it because "Tesla"? Just why do you believe in the QEG, and why is this simple question so hard to answer?

3. Kevin Blundell, what kind of data from your constructions would potentially cause you to give up, to realize that you are chasing a wild goose, to admit defeat and that you have been wrong all this time? What would _disconfirming_ data look like? We know full well what _confirmatory_ data will look like: A self running QEG. But any good experimentalist also knows what the dead-end of the tunnel looks like and will stop flailing about and throwing good money after bad when that data looms. So what data would cause you to give up on the QEG in despair?

3a. Corollary to above: Kevin Blundell, once you can state what disconfirmatory data would look like, do you know how to design any experiments _looking for_ this disconfirmatory data? That is, have you ever actually applied the Scientific Method to your "researches"?

4. Kevin Blundell, do you know or appreciate the meaning of "Open Source"? Every day that goes by without you and your crew reporting honestly what you have done and what you have found out, beggars the term "Open Source", since there are dozens of others, not part of your secret Skype and email conversations, who are also concerned about these topics and who have also spent a lot of money but are sitting, fully stalled, at the "We've Got Resonance" after-party, with no one helping to clean up the mess.

5. Kevin Blundell, as of this date, how much total money and how many total "engineer-hours" has your QEG project consumed? What new scientific facts have you discovered?



How does a goat work? You feed it, and you milk it, and perhaps you also clip its hair for wool. If you do not _feed it_  or allow it to eat up your grass and plants, you will not get very much milk, or hair, and you will eventually wind up with a dead goat. And the presence of goat droppings indicates that the process of converting food to milk and hair is ...shall we say... less than 100 percent efficient. Unfortunately for the QEG builders, all you are getting for your efforts are the droppings.

How do crickets work? They start chirping when everything else is silent and still. And that is all I expect to get from Kevin Blundell: the sound of crickets chirping.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on November 09, 2014, 05:45:08 PM
Generally when you take public funds you feel an obligation to share how that money is being spent and what results you are achieving. Here we have a situation where the activities and results are being keep secrete. There is no transparency or any semblance of honesty here. I find this deeply troubling as it taints the whole concept of miro funding. I guess Kevin feels he has met his obligation by announcing that resonance has been achieved. After all that's all the other groups have done. We hear at OU already know there is nothing more to be gotten from this device. Embarrassment and shame I'm sure begin to set in on those who took money under these shameful pretenses, and who made such outrageous false claims of overunity. Really a 40 to 1 power gain stated as a matter of fact with no device having ever been previously built that shows this to be true. It's been over a week since Kevin invited MileHigh to joint his secrete society. We know that he lacks good engineers to help with the QEG, since he previously asked for such help. The truth must be setting in that he is really just banging his head against a wall.  The problem Kevin is that turning on a few light bulbs is all you are going to get out of this device. There is nothing more to be got, and I'm sure your guys are or have exhausted all possibilities for getting better results from this hunk of iron. Your build is likely not even 30% efficient. The million dollar question is will you eventually admit to this fact, or will you just go quietly into the night like HopeGirl and family? What will you say in a month or two when your device gives no substantially better results than is did when you first powered it up?

In the US PE of course stands for Principal Engineer.

Into the night he will go but unlike Hopegirl, his pockets will not be a full as she got hers to be.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on November 09, 2014, 05:51:26 PM
Well, all you smart people who pretend to know that the QEG is a scam, may I ask: have you built one? No? Then how can you say it won't work?
EEERRRRGGgggffrgrgrgrgrgrgrg.  ALL STOP!! ALL STOP!! FULL BRAKES!!!!

There in lies above the quintessence of Hypocrisy.
In this Universe of ours its a custom to await an answer before answering one's own question.

Pointless for me to even read the rest of your quote.  Just like you assumed its pointless to inform yourself on this qeg fiasco.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 09, 2014, 10:57:20 PM
I haven't jumped off a ten story building flapping my arms like crazy thinking I could fly, either..... because I am sure that it won't work.

But feel free to prove me wrong with a demonstration of your own, orbut3000.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on November 09, 2014, 11:49:19 PM



 Oh, that was a good one Koala!!!
 We've got things inverted, the sceptics are the ones that don't believe in
first principles and that their crackpot ideas will work.
  If you start putting the brakes on a particular thread by any means it
just dries up, drops off the page.
  Take RARenergia for example, just disappeared, and I was having great
enjoyment reading Frank's contribution.
  Keep the crap coming, I enjoy it! Who knows, one of these days something
might just turn up, but I'll bet a pound to aa penny it'll be based on reality.
  Where are you Grimer????
                      John.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 09, 2014, 11:58:12 PM
I been thinking more on the gofundme activities of Kevin, HopeGirl, and others. Are these campaigns the high tech version of a "Nigerian Letter"? I think so!

Given that there appears to no accountability, and people appear willing to give money based on a good humanitarian yarn with no absolute proof of the varasity of the idea being presented, I'm seriously considering mounting my own campaign.

I thinking that I need at least $50k to $75k in test equipment and materials so that I might better develop my "Eternal Lantern" - stolen name. I also need $50K to travel to far flung places to test the available energy to be garnered from the air. This could take 6 months or more and I will post pictures showing my findings.  I fully understand I may have to run several additional campaigns as each trivial milestone is achieved.  My idea uses a joule thief (also stolen) powered by Tesla radiant energy technology (can sight quite a few relevant patents and also stolen). I can not give any proof that I can do this, but I can show a low power prototype. The money is needed to scale this idea up to many hundreds of Watts. I have no idea I can do this but I am sincere in my intent. My key humanitarian buzzwords are self-running, energy from the environment, Tesla Patents, helping the poor peoples of the world, etc. The one thing I can say is that I have a secrete weapon. I shall wax lyrically about nano particles and the amazing properties of Graphene that are being covered up by the government (complete rubbish of course - the government bit that is). Who would like to join my campaign?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on November 10, 2014, 12:56:44 AM
Go-Fundme and such are based on a good idea I think, people just abuse them and the administrators of the site should actively
check for obvious scams, but it seems they do not.

ie. I could start a Go-Fundme campaign to raise money to get much needed treatment for my neck and back problems, I need
more screws and implants ect. but I do not know how much it would cost or if I could even get a specialist to give me a "quote",
I need money first to be able to see a real doctor "outside" of the farcical "free medical system", they won't see me without
insurance or some other guarantee of payment, and the cost could get towards the $100 000 dollar mark to fix all my problems.
Maybe more.

The free medical system just ignores the problems until I cannot move or do anything, which is what happened with the two
ruptured discs already repaired in my neck, they refused to even acknowledge the problem until I was completely disabled, it
took over 15 years of serious pain and suffering to get to the point of being practically totally disabled.

I find it difficult to justify the cost to get myself fixed up, if I could borrow the money I could maybe pay it back, but there is no
way of knowing. I guess I should just think myself lucky I'm in Australia, if I was in some third word countries I would be already
passed from lack of any treatment at all. My disability pension is probably more than a lot of people earn. I just wish I could live
without it and be productive again.

So for other folks like me a successful Go-Fundme campaign could mean the difference between living in pain purgatory and living
a productive existence. Every man down and unproductive needlessly for long periods is a wasted resource both for family and
for the State.

..

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 10, 2014, 08:03:12 AM
Farmhand,

Over the many years of evolution the brain has grown to understand that the human body is like a capacitor, resistor, battery, logic gate, motor etc....

As an electrician, you need to first touch metal do discharge the capacitance in your body to not kill SMD electrical components.

As a resistor, you can only touch 120V AC with one hand cause your body will allow current to flow to your heart.

All of this is well 100% understood and documented.

What does that mean?

It means that a lot of people are so ignorant and stupid to not believe in the HISTORY!

Something weird going on...they shower their pets with love and good foods. They showers their plants with good food and protect them from insects.

They spend thousands of dollars on they engines to lubricate the piston good and replace bearings and stuff.....BUT they neglect their bodies!

A doctor is just like a mechanic....a human being is just like a mechanic too. The body requires things to survive longer and with out any defects....it is the same thing as understanding electrical motors and gasoline engines.

The body needs SUN, AIR, socialism (there is a human connection that is unconscious), FOOD!.

The medical system is just taking advantage of the people....and that needs to change. It's just money corruption.

Example....i go to the doctor to get 20 stitches... they disinfect the wound, and then I get stitches, plus they ask you if you want anesthesia to not fell the pain....$3000 dollars!

What if I do it by myself.....get off the counter alcohol and peroxide water to disinfect the wound. Then I just use a regular of the counter stapler with stainless steel staples...and just due with out anesthesia and bite the bullet...probably $20 dollars of items to spend....SINCE, the body HEALS itself.

Then you have the 100% facts that there is no cure for the FLU virus....and so on and so on!

Sorry to say but the human health problems are expected to occur and because mostly it happens by the foods we eat and the lack of exerciser. Do we really need cigarettes? If the government really cared about human life and not about money, they would get rid of cigarettes all together...but since they are cash cows, pfff to the lung/mouth/etc cancers lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 10, 2014, 08:32:16 AM
How does this relate to the QEG's?

Well it's pretty simple. The human body LOVES fast foods right now. The fast foods are just there as cash cows = money generating.

The LIFE does not care about money, it only cares to living longer by the CORRECT resources. The same is with QEGs, it only cares about it's self running.

The technology is “evolving” really really fast that it's a matter of fact that QEGs will come out soon since it's truth.

I think it's about time for all scientists and rich people to just stop living in a blind world.

The evidence of self running machines is all over the place to stop confusing people that they are not real. Well by self running I mean just running from the “dark energy” (energy that we cannot see with eyes).

I already mentioned that if you have less power in, then eventually things would cancel out. SO you ALWAYS have to have more output than input 100% facts! If no greater output is given, then evolution would cancel out and nothing would evolve...PERIOD = such device can be made!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ketone on November 11, 2014, 07:07:49 AM
Hey Joel, keep the rotor stationary along with the stator and turn a piece of iron between the two....see if you get a self runner then :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on November 11, 2014, 10:04:13 PM
Today on skype QEGNetwork, a new post from ( [20:46:39] mmeta200 ) about HopeGuirl: see attached pdf!

EDIT: Takes the second PDF with just 1 post more!


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 12, 2014, 12:26:11 AM
I get an error message when I try to read or download those files. This often seems to happen with .pdf files on this forum. Can you save them in any other format, so peons like myself could read them?

Now I'm dying with curiosity.

But I've read some posts by that person mmeta200 before and they are kind of ... er.... interesting. At least.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 12, 2014, 02:33:32 AM
I get an error message when I try to read or download those files. This often seems to happen with .pdf files on this forum. Can you save them in any other format, so peons like myself could read them?

Now I'm dying with curiosity.

But I've read some posts by that person mmeta200 before and they are kind of ... er.... interesting. At least.
Shame TK you missed some good reading. All I have to say is that a girl has got to earn a living some how!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on November 12, 2014, 04:33:27 AM
You have to love freedom of speech.  Both the snake sellers and their critics.
http://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/11/11/debut-the-peoples-free-energy-show-with-hopegirl-on-the-one-network/

Quote
There are at least 60 QEG’s currently being worked on around the globe.
For arguments sake, lets stipulate a solid 60.  To you 60 1st builder(s).  Consider waiting until just 1 of the 60 before you actually build that which is claimed to easily connect to mains and power a house.

Quote
The QEG is THE PEOPLES FREE ENERGY DEVICE.....
As opposed to the Martian's device?

Quote
We are not backed by corporations or governments. We are opensourced and freely sharing the information needed by those who wish to bring this energy through to humanity without fear, greed, lies, secrecy or suppression.
LOL!  Damn there every word of that quote is hypocrisy.  May not be incorporated but you sure are on the fund-me-galore pay role.  P.S. Still waiting for the elusive U.K. report and the update to that singular yet always used in plural "open source documents".

Quote
Tivon is here in Morocco to assist with moving the Morocco QEG to its new location and gives us updates on the latest developments in the QEG world.
But not to actually build, develop, test, measure, improve, manufacture, or produce?


James seems to be out of the picture.  Hope-vacation-triangle-girl can now be as magnanimously flamboyant about her delusions of grandeur claims as she wants to be.  As you see top of the link, Tesla having his image be dragged through the mud again.


This prolonged no money out of pocket vacation has been brought to you by..... your stupidity.  "Keep on keeping on"
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 12, 2014, 05:54:35 AM
OK, got the downloads sorted. It appears that the problem is actually on my end, with this Linux system I normally use. I dug up a Windows machine and using it the .pdf files downloaded fine, and I was able to save them to the linux box over my LAN, so all is now copacetic. But... content-wise.... not much new in there, except for the HypeGirl blog post.

60 QEG builds, world wide? So, if that is a true number, that is around three hundred thousand dollars  spent on parts alone (3k for each core and 2k more for caps, motor, variac, etc.) not including the dedicated workroom, the strong workbench and etc. or any test equipment. And all for this folly, based on clearly proven lies emitted by Naima Feagin and her mother Valerie Robitaille and the poor dupe James Robitaille. All for nothing. All, diverting money and time and effort of hopeful and talented and some even very clever and intelligent folks who are wasting time and more money on this absolute dead end farce. It literally made me sick to my stomach to see that photo of Naima on the beach, smirking at all the idiots who funded her and helped her flee the USA. 

Add to that the nearly two hundred thousand dollars that the Robitailles have collected from their various funding campaigns, and we are talking some real "chump change" here. Someday, I hope these people will get what they deserve.


Oh... and ooooh! Pancake Coils! Amazing Green Pancake Coils! That do... what, exactly? You can hold them in your hand! Do research! Amazing!

But clicking on the "space visuals" link I get a "password protected" login screen. Open Source Password Protected! Yaowzah!

And the second Tivon Rivers link has a few art-school type paintings but not a word, not one, about any "electrical engineering" or amazing pancake coils or any of his alleged "free energy research".

Pardon me, I need to go puke. The stench of HypeGirl's mendacity is just too much for me to take.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on November 12, 2014, 10:47:57 AM
I get an error message when I try to read or download those files. This often seems to happen with .pdf files on this forum. Can you save them in any other format, so peons like myself could read them?
.....

Here is a text file! :)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on November 13, 2014, 04:59:16 AM
Grand Ma...What big 20+ and growing old qeg youtube uploads from bot accounts in the last 6 hours after you latest blog you have!

The better to live off the donation hog my dear.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: nickec on November 13, 2014, 10:16:57 AM
... Green Pancake ...


Mmmm.   Pancakes.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 13, 2014, 06:49:25 PM
Here is a text file! :)

Thanks, I got the problem sorted!


Did anyone bother to listen to the "interview" podcast? Was anything said that I should know about?
Did we get any kind of explanation as to why the Green Pancakes are any different than my Red ones that I demonstrated years ago?

Were any reasons given for the astounding lack of any success beyond "We have Resonance! (cue cheering)" by any of the 60-plus builders, or Jamie, or any of the "thousands of engineers" working on their costly, unsafe and poorly designed QEG doorstops?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rfacts on November 14, 2014, 01:18:23 AM
TinselKoala:
 I was also curious if there was going to be any further mention of their failure to build a self running QEG as claimed almost a
 year ago.  I was working on other things at the same time but heard no mention as to why there is not a single working QEG
 despite their self imposed and now expired deadlines - not to mention the numerous so called technical builders and soaring
 costs.  They've fallen back to a 'joint development for humanity' phase in an effort to save face but primarily to open up an
 opportunity to scam for more money.

 Since you asked, you may not be aware that at the 37:00 minute mark HoaxGirl discusses the topic of trolls with Tivon Rivers
 and while doing so an image of your YouTube channel is displayed on the video after displaying an image of Energetic Forum
 and Revolution-Green.  Probably something you would want to know about, see attached.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 14, 2014, 01:57:04 AM
I found it to be a very uncomfortable interview.  Nothing of substance was said.  The whole thing was uncomfortable fluff.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 14, 2014, 02:33:33 AM
TinselKoala:
 I was also curious if there was going to be any further mention of their failure to build a self running QEG as claimed almost a
 year ago.  I was working on other things at the same time but heard no mention as to why there is not a single working QEG
 despite their self imposed and now expired deadlines - not to mention the numerous so called technical builders and soaring
 costs.  They've fallen back to a 'joint development for humanity' phase in an effort to save face but primarily to open up an
 opportunity to scam for more money.

 Since you asked, you may not be aware that at the 37:00 minute mark HoaxGirl discusses the topic of trolls with Tivon Rivers
 and while doing so an image of your YouTube channel is displayed on the video after displaying an image of Energetic Forum
 and Revolution-Green.  Probably something you would want to know about, see attached.

Well, that is indeed interesting. I suppose now I'll have to listen and see just what she said. Had I known beforehand, I would have changed the "featured" video on my channel page to this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y)

Or maybe this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJts2VeHIMM

or this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Mnulep33-A
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 14, 2014, 03:00:36 AM
That "interview" is amazing! They are going on and on about "replicating" and how helpful all those documents (one...) are in replicating the QEG! Not a word about the FACT THAT IT DOESN'T WORK AT ALL,  as HopeGirl claimed it did early on to stir up funding. Not a word about all those FAILURES, how each and every team of builders has spent thousands and thousands of dollars on something that DOESN'T EVEN WORK and never will. It is indeed astounding. And of course... they have disabled comments as usual, on this Open Source project. What planet are these people from? I think MH might be right, they are the Bizarro People, where replicating a non-functioning, poorly designed, unsafe and wildly expensive Kludge becomes the life's work of many.

OK, QEG builders, after this.... you deserve everything you get. You had better get cracking, now, because the first one of the sixty or more teams to get their thing self running is going to be making billions of dollars immediately.... So get to work, people, what is wrong with you? Right there in the FAQs: All you have to to is run it up to resonance and it will run itself. It can even be started with a crank mechanism! Get on it! None of you thousands of engineers should be even taking lunch breaks, you should be up all night, sweating and slaving away, getting your cores properly conditioned, finding the right resonant frequency by striking your cores with a mallet and changing capacitor banks, running to resonance, pushing "Auto" on the scope, then doing it again... and again... and again until you find just the right 400th harmonic of the Schumann resonance so it will RUN ITSELF, as HopeGirl promises you it will, and as Timmy Thrapp of Witts has clearly demonstrated for all to see! Not a one of you mighty Engineers should be sleeping a wink, as you scramble to be the FIRST in the world to get your QEG to self-run! We are WAITING....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 14, 2014, 03:54:12 AM
TK:

Wow, you have now officially (and publicly) been labeled a "Troll" by HopelessGirl.  I know you have many other events in your life that are important to you but, now this?  This has to be considered a very high honor.  I am in awe and, a bit jealous.

Please accept my congratulations.  To me, this is but one step lower than receiving a Nobel Prize in science.

I am honored to be on the same forum with you.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 14, 2014, 04:13:53 AM
Yes, it's amazing isn't it? I think I'll put that screenshot up on my Wall of Fame.

I do like Tivon's little green pancake coils though. It's a clever idea. But it's pretty clear that he doesn't really understand Tesla coils or high voltage, since he claimed that an inch-high stack of his many turn versions could perform the same as a tall standard TC secondary.  12 or 14 inches tall of winding on a proper secondary former can produce a megavolt or more of potential between the top capacity and the ground terminal. I'd really like to see an inch or two of his coils, stacked up, and resonated by a proper tuned primary supply. You'd have a pile of smoking slag emitting toxic fumes before you could even pull the plug and you'd get nowhere near a megavolt output. There is only one thing that can insulate against the voltages a properly configured TC can produce, and that is distance, and plenty of it.

Of course I would love to see Tivon demonstrate otherwise. If he likes he can send me  a set of his coils and I'll evaluate them, put them through their paces and see if they can really produce, or even withstand, a megavolt at high current.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on November 14, 2014, 05:04:23 AM
The art is to keep the line moving.  Push on down the road.  Never look behind.  Bring in new suckers, I mean marks, I mean CICU's.

Hopegirl came out in full Queen getup attire.  Notice the lack of the very thing claimed to save the world.  Not just in this one interview, in them all.  Recaping, regrouping, reviewing.  Those are like silver, holy water, and sunlight to a scammer as they are to vampires and werewolves.  ;D

STILL! waiting for the U.K. report and the update of the open source documents though it be a single file.

Spare your time and go straight to time 36:00.  Hopegirl mentions trolls then shows in the background energetic forum and revolution-green.  LOL!!!  Then follows up with when you are doing something right you get a lot of trolls.  She is a cold piece of work.  Do you see what I mean when I made the term qegpocrisy?  For those who missed it.

Qeqpocrisy:
Etymology mid first decade of the 2nd millennium. Originating from the PA region of North America.
1. The act or state of being that causes one to contradict one self with every breath taken.
2. Commonly used to solicit finances to buy the same test equipment over and over while on vacation.
New entry as of Nov. 13, 2014
3. Twisting truth and troll until unrecognizable so that everyone will be none the wiser.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 14, 2014, 05:54:14 AM
The art is to keep the line moving.  Push on down the road.  Never look behind.  Bring in new suckers, I mean marks, I mean CICU's.

Hopegirl came out in full Queen getup attire.  Notice the lack of the very thing claimed to save the world.  Not just in this one interview, in them all.  Recaping, regrouping, reviewing.  Those are like silver, holy water, and sunlight to a scammer as they are to vampires and werewolves.  ;D

STILL! waiting for the U.K. report and the update of the open source documents though it be a single file.

Spare your time and go straight to time 36:00.  Hopegirl mentions trolls then shows in the background energetic forum and revolution-green.  LOL!!!  Then follows up with when you are doing something right you get a lot of trolls.  She is a cold piece of work.  Do you see what I mean when I made the term qegpocrisy?  For those who missed it.

Qeqpocrisy:
Etymology mid first decade of the 2nd millennium. Originating from the PA region of North America.
1. The act or state of being that causes one to contradict one self with every breath taken.
2. Commonly used to solicit finances to buy the same test equipment over and over while on vacation.
New entry as of Nov. 13, 2014
3. Twisting truth and troll until unrecognizable so that everyone will be none the wiser.
Kudos to you for QEGpocrisy. I posted these a while back, but missed this one:)

SkullQEGgery: underhanded or unscrupulous behavior of FTW (HopeGirl's Fix the World project).

QEGgery: The act of taking money from from hapless individuals wanting to do good and shoving a QEG up their ass.

QEGing: A mindless individual that blindly follows much like a lemming.

QEGdulous: Showing too great a readiness to believe in the things put forth by FTW. 

QEGiosity: 1. a strong desire to know everything about making the QEG and the people behind it; 2. the strange or unusual object that is the QEG 

QEGibity: A term used to described a fraudulent scam that has the potential to solicit large sums of money from donations and crowd funding efforts. As in this idea has great QEGibility. 

QEGity:  A state of mind wherein one feels one with the FTW.

QEGdary: A state a perplexity or uncertainty as to why the QEG does not work.

QEGster: A full member of the global QEG community who actively solicits and receives money. 

QEGfundity: Those who profess deep insight and knowledge into the workings of the QEG.   

QEGist: Somebody that is able to bring a QEG to full resonance. 

QEGam Fecit: A person who takes flight for QEGary, being forced to flee the land whist forfeiting their goods absolutely until pardoned. 

QEGosphere: a hidden secrete area of Morocco where QEGsters and QEGists go to with their ill gotten gains.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ltseung888 on November 14, 2014, 07:51:46 AM
The QEG may not be self looping yet.  Please check the video from the Teacher - Timothy Thrapp of WITTS.  That 40KW generator video showd self loop.  The mains was unplugged and the generator kept giving power.
 
The resonance leads out Electron Cloud Energy.  With lead out energy, it can run forever...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 14, 2014, 10:09:49 AM
The QEG may not be self looping yet.  Please check the video from the Teacher - Timothy Thrapp of WITTS.  That 40KW generator video showd self loop.  The mains was unplugged and the generator kept giving power.
 
The resonance leads out Electron Cloud Energy.  With lead out energy, it can run forever...
And oxygen may not be necessary for human life.  No one has or will make a QEQ self looping including the serial free energy fraud Timothy Thrapp.  Timothy will be happy for you to lead out a lot of money from your bank account.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on November 14, 2014, 10:52:30 AM



   Yes Itseung888,
                         I wonder why Timothy still appears to have a mains connection?
   Perhaps he's grid tied and sending back more than he receives!!!
       I can tell you, if one of these things ever did work the technology would
  spread faster than Ebola on roller skates.
     Has anyone ever been able to bag the one watt prize???
   After 10 years I haven't found so much as a milliwatt.....yet.
                       John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 14, 2014, 11:05:16 AM
Quote
Hey Joel, keep the rotor stationary along with the stator and turn a piece of iron between the two....see if you get a self runner then

How hard is it for you to understand that it is 100% facts that protons are self runners around the atom? Like, really, how much brain power does it take to understand that there is no cable, no battery, no walt mart adapter plug to an atom to have all of these protons revolving around the atom....I mean it's a fact that they are revolving FREEELY!!!! By free I mean they don't pay electrical bills!!!! But it does require energy back, BUT way less than paying with dollar bills!!!

Why are you so ignorant as to not even see the milky way as a self runner? Or the atom? I mean if I ask you, is not the planet self running in the universe right now and will continue to for millions of years would I be lying?

You have fallen victim for the cocky NERDS than believe they created something when they are just learning from the creator...lol...FACTS!

They don't create oil, gas, air, water, light...they only gather the energy plain and simple...the oil, gas, air, water, light will turn back to the source element! This has been going on for millions of years and will happen again....so we are not at a stage to believe the people that they have figured everything out unless I can see them build universes, plain and simple!!!

in the mean time, little flesh QEG's exist everywhere....flesh is the same as 1's and 0's so electronics can gather the same from the FREEE energy since the flash and electronics are the same.....

How are we now capacitors?

How are we not resistors?

How are we not “logic gates”?

How are we not batteries?

How are we walking on our own?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 14, 2014, 11:15:36 AM
So DERP, we have this FREEE “big bang theory”... then we have FREEE “black holes”, then we have FREE “dark matter”, then we have FREE light, then we have FREE gravity, then we have FREEE magnetism, then we have FREEE air....how much do you pay for your light bill a month? What?

I don't even understand about not believing in QEGs! First of all, it's just a name, second of all, it represents FREEE since billions of years ago it has beenn!! 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on November 14, 2014, 01:37:20 PM
@joel321
My last try:
Here is; just for you joel321: http://www.crewtonramoneshouseofmath.com/     :-X  :)
Even children of five years can learn from  these lessons!
Everything you need to know is to count to nine. And you know that!
And more, the first lessons are FREE...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 14, 2014, 07:25:17 PM
The QEG may not be self looping yet.  Please check the video from the Teacher - Timothy Thrapp of WITTS.  That 40KW generator video showd self loop.  The mains was unplugged and the generator kept giving power.
 
The resonance leads out Electron Cloud Energy.  With lead out energy, it can run forever...

Lawrence, I am glad that you are once again active, but you really must stop with your credulous acceptance of things that have long since been discredited or are widely regarded as fake. The "self running" Calloway Gate device you posted in another thread is a simple fake, and of course Timmy Thrapp has claimed many different OU devices, none of which actually work as he claims. If even ONE of the fakes that Thrapp has presented would actually work, he would no longer need to  try to sell his "teachings" for the absurd amounts of money he wants. And what kind of "religion" would hold back, for profit, such a discovery that would be such a boon to mankind (if the militaries didn't use it to destroy each other first)? Please start using your excellent brain _with filters engaged_ so that it doesn't run out of your earholes. There is nothing there but fakery in Thrapp's demonstrations and the Calloway toy is no self-runner at all.  You do yourself, and others, a profound disservice by promoting those silly devices. The research you did on Joule Thiefs at least had the merit of demonstrating that certain cheap DSOs are not particularly accurate on high-sensitivity settings. Promoting Timmy Thrapp's nonsense only makes you look bad, there is no benefit at all in it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 15, 2014, 12:23:54 AM
QEGThrappment: As seen though the eyes of a "true believer", Thrappist or QEGist,  is the conflation of a "known" working OU device invented and demonstrated by Timothy Thrapp, with a poor imitation non working QEG.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ltseung888 on November 15, 2014, 12:44:36 AM
I have been playing (researching?) resonance for years.  The earliest experience was when I was a teenager - knocked down by a swinging punch bag.  At that time, I already suspected that there might be more energy than I put in.
 
Years later, when we saw video of the Laing Car, Lee Cheung Kin proposed that the energy source was gravity and that the swinging pendulum was the key.  I did the simple mathematics of the horizontally pulsed pendulum and realized that two parts of horizontal energy can lead out one part of vertical energy.  There is no need to go into quantum mechanics.
 
Many inventors with claimed Overunity devices then approached us and discussed their inventions.  The most notable ones were the Wang She He all magnetic wheel coupled with rotating liquids and magnetic shielding and the 225 HP Pulse Motor.  I actually assembled a Wang Wheel and started it running.
 
The 225 HP Pulse Motor was the most interesting.  The Inventor was American but he could not get funding from US sources.  (Thanks to trolls and the Establishment).  They were supposed to bring a demonstration sample to Tsinghua University (MIT of China) but the prototype was prevented from leaving USA in 2006.  However, we had enough photos and videos to convince us that the Motor was no fake.  The Lee-Tseung energy lead out theory clearly predicted the leading out of gravitational and electromagnetic energy.
 
The big mistake we made at that time was the discussing of the Energy Multiplier that was known to Tsinghua University as early as 1996.  It was actually a form of the Chas Campbell device using cylinders instead of wheels.  I shared that information with the visiting USA team.  We also gave a recorded lecture on Lead Out Energy and the various devices.
 
When we returned to Hong Kong, I found myself suspected as a US spy – disclosing national secrets to US.  All support vanished.  That actually confirmed that our research was correct.
 
I started to post on the Internet and funded the Tong Wheel.  The Tong Wheel was a copy of one slice of the 225 HP Pulse Motor.  After a couple of prototypes, it worked.  However, the Input and Output were in the order of watts.  Other scientists suggested that it was just experimental error.  But Mr. Tong Po Chi helped a factory owner, Mr. Allan Li, to develop a second generation Tong Wheel that can generate 1 HP.  That Wheel has been shown to many potential investors.
 
Dr. Raymond Ting learned our project at the Hong Kong Invention Club and has now developed the Ting Wheel.  I and the Investors actually touched, started and tested it.  The Input was 50 watts and the Output was 340 watts.  I suggested to change the flywheel to an unbalanced wheel.  Dr. Ting informed us that the increase in torque was so much that the axle twisted.  He believed generating 5KW should not be a problem.
 
I learned from the Milkovic 2SO that many people looked but did not see.  The swing amplitude did not decrease when the weight was lifted.  The only explanation is that other energy enters the system.  We then build the simple Chan Wheel.  We produced the Milkovic effect.  The most interesting experiment we did was to replace the pendulum with an unbalanced wheel.  With a balanced wheel, we could not lead out gravitational energy.  The weight never lifted at whatever rotational speed.  But with the unbalanced wheel, the force and the energy lead out was significant.  If one put the hand in the way, the hand hurts.
 
We then build the simpler Yuen Wheel with 2 or more unbalanced wheels.  The resonance effect was unmistakable.  The number of weights and their positioning clearly influenced the number of completed revolutions.  The Bessler Wheel is real.  It leads out gravitational energy.
 
I carefully studied the QEG and the WITTS devices.  The resonance effect is evident.  The leading out of electromagnetic energy is unmistakable.  The source of lead out energy is the electron cloud energy.  That is akin to chemical energy.  There is no violation of the law of conservation of energy.
 
I am confident that the Tong, the Ting, the QEG and the WITTS devices are no fakes.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor was a definite generator.  The reason why such devices did not see day night is greed and the subtle suppression by Governments.
 
Now that the QEG is open source and over 60 teams have achieved resonance.  Timothy Thrapp has already shown self loop and generating much more than 5KW, the hunt for an overunity device is over.
 
I do not care about the comments from the trolls.  I have working Chan, Yuen and Ting Wheels to improve.  Money is not a problem.  Huge sums are flowing into Hong Kong.   We can easily donate the USD100,000 to WITTS to get a self looped system before the other QEG researchers.  It may be a repeat of the funding of the 225 HP Pulse Motor by a Hong Kong Investor. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on November 15, 2014, 12:49:41 AM
QEGThrappment: As seen though the eyes of a "true believer", Thrappist or QEGist,  is the conflation of a "known" working OU device invented and demonstrated by Timothy Thrapp, with a poor imitation non working QEG.

That is a good one!

We still need a term to perfectly describe both the "wait and see" virus and those it effects.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 15, 2014, 01:01:09 AM
That is a good one!

We still need a term to perfectly describe both the "wait and see" virus and those it effects.
I did not quite catch that "We still need a term to perfectly describe both the "wait and see" virus and those it effects.", please elaborate?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 15, 2014, 01:16:59 AM
LTseung wrote:
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I do not care about the comments from the trolls.  I have working Chan, Yuen and Ting Wheels to improve.  Money is not a problem.  Huge sums are flowing into Hong Kong.   We can easily donate the USD100,000 to WITTS to get a self looped system before the other QEG researchers.  It may be a repeat of the funding of the 225 HP Pulse Motor by a Hong Kong Investor.

DO IT then. You should do this immediately! You  have a moral obligation to the rest of humanity to buy this technology IMMEDIATELY from Sir Timothy Thrapp! Sixty or more poor teams of QEG researchers are sitting around making no progress, when YOU can solve their problems with the stroke of a pen! What is wrong with you, why are you withholding this from Humanity? Every day that goes by, you are committing a huge sin, by not buying a working system from Sir Timothy and showing the rest of the world how it works.

By the way... where do you get your electricity?
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 15, 2014, 01:23:56 AM
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/611-working-of-the-qeg-one-engineer-s-perspective#2828 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/611-working-of-the-qeg-one-engineer-s-perspective#2828)

 :o

I think I recognize the style... !!

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 15, 2014, 02:53:57 AM
It's a freaking paid troll, under control of Sindicato Azul.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 15, 2014, 03:47:24 AM
QEGThrappment: As seen though the eyes of a "true believer", Thrappist or QEGist,  is the conflation of a "known" working OU device invented and demonstrated by Timothy Thrapp, with a poor imitation non working QEG.

OK, I'll play.

I wonder how many folks have been "Thrapped" over the years?  I know that Stefan (our gracious host here) paid like $200 US to interview him and all Thrapp did in the interview was basically to ask for more money if Stefan wanted info....hence, even Stefan was "Thrapped"!

To me, their set-up over there is like:  Buy our plans for an O.U. device for X amount of money.
You send the money and...they tell you how to order the plans....but to actually get the plans you need to send them even more money.  So, you send more money and...you get some plans.  But, there is no information on the components on the plans you receive so you call them and they tell you that you need to send more money to get a "detailed" set of plans....etc., etc.

My guess is that even the QEG folks have been "Thrapped".  This is probably what gave them the fundraising idea in the first place.

Right now, there are folks in Nigeria watching all of this and saying..."Damn!  This is genius.  Why didn't we think of this?"

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 15, 2014, 06:17:35 AM
I have been playing (researching?) resonance for years.  The earliest experience was when I was a teenager - knocked down by a swinging punch bag.  At that time, I already suspected that there might be more energy than I put in.
 
Years later, when we saw video of the Laing Car, Lee Cheung Kin proposed that the energy source was gravity and that the swinging pendulum was the key.  I did the simple mathematics of the horizontally pulsed pendulum and realized that two parts of horizontal energy can lead out one part of vertical energy.  There is no need to go into quantum mechanics.
 
Many inventors with claimed Overunity devices then approached us and discussed their inventions.  The most notable ones were the Wang She He all magnetic wheel coupled with rotating liquids and magnetic shielding and the 225 HP Pulse Motor.  I actually assembled a Wang Wheel and started it running.
 
The 225 HP Pulse Motor was the most interesting.  The Inventor was American but he could not get funding from US sources.  (Thanks to trolls and the Establishment).  They were supposed to bring a demonstration sample to Tsinghua University (MIT of China) but the prototype was prevented from leaving USA in 2006.  However, we had enough photos and videos to convince us that the Motor was no fake.  The Lee-Tseung energy lead out theory clearly predicted the leading out of gravitational and electromagnetic energy.
 
The big mistake we made at that time was the discussing of the Energy Multiplier that was known to Tsinghua University as early as 1996.  It was actually a form of the Chas Campbell device using cylinders instead of wheels.  I shared that information with the visiting USA team.  We also gave a recorded lecture on Lead Out Energy and the various devices.
 
When we returned to Hong Kong, I found myself suspected as a US spy – disclosing national secrets to US.  All support vanished.  That actually confirmed that our research was correct.
 
I started to post on the Internet and funded the Tong Wheel.  The Tong Wheel was a copy of one slice of the 225 HP Pulse Motor.  After a couple of prototypes, it worked.  However, the Input and Output were in the order of watts.  Other scientists suggested that it was just experimental error.  But Mr. Tong Po Chi helped a factory owner, Mr. Allan Li, to develop a second generation Tong Wheel that can generate 1 HP.  That Wheel has been shown to many potential investors.
 
Dr. Raymond Ting learned our project at the Hong Kong Invention Club and has now developed the Ting Wheel.  I and the Investors actually touched, started and tested it.  The Input was 50 watts and the Output was 340 watts.  I suggested to change the flywheel to an unbalanced wheel.  Dr. Ting informed us that the increase in torque was so much that the axle twisted.  He believed generating 5KW should not be a problem.
 
I learned from the Milkovic 2SO that many people looked but did not see.  The swing amplitude did not decrease when the weight was lifted.  The only explanation is that other energy enters the system.  We then build the simple Chan Wheel.  We produced the Milkovic effect.  The most interesting experiment we did was to replace the pendulum with an unbalanced wheel.  With a balanced wheel, we could not lead out gravitational energy.  The weight never lifted at whatever rotational speed.  But with the unbalanced wheel, the force and the energy lead out was significant.  If one put the hand in the way, the hand hurts.
 
We then build the simpler Yuen Wheel with 2 or more unbalanced wheels.  The resonance effect was unmistakable.  The number of weights and their positioning clearly influenced the number of completed revolutions.  The Bessler Wheel is real.  It leads out gravitational energy.
 
I carefully studied the QEG and the WITTS devices.  The resonance effect is evident.  The leading out of electromagnetic energy is unmistakable.  The source of lead out energy is the electron cloud energy.  That is akin to chemical energy.  There is no violation of the law of conservation of energy.
 
I am confident that the Tong, the Ting, the QEG and the WITTS devices are no fakes.  The 225 HP Pulse Motor was a definite generator.  The reason why such devices did not see day night is greed and the subtle suppression by Governments.
 
Now that the QEG is open source and over 60 teams have achieved resonance.  Timothy Thrapp has already shown self loop and generating much more than 5KW, the hunt for an overunity device is over.
 
I do not care about the comments from the trolls.  I have working Chan, Yuen and Ting Wheels to improve.  Money is not a problem.  Huge sums are flowing into Hong Kong.   We can easily donate the USD100,000 to WITTS to get a self looped system before the other QEG researchers.  It may be a repeat of the funding of the 225 HP Pulse Motor by a Hong Kong Investor.
Lawrence:  So many free energy devices that you believe are real, and all lead out nothing but foolishness.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 15, 2014, 06:57:12 AM
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Here is; just for you joel321: http://www.crewtonramoneshouseofmath.com/     :-X  :)
Even children of five years can learn from  these lessons!
Everything you need to know is to count to nine. And you know that!
And more, the first lessons are FREE...

I have already told you that math is a virtual animal -9 -8 -7 -6 -5 -4 -3 -2 -1 -0 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

if we have ten ducks we don't have 1+0 we have 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1...the zero was added there virtually to make it lazy.

Yes everyone can understand math and geometry. But they are all virtual numbers...just like names....there are many joes, jessicas, joses in the world....just their name does not identify them only...so 0 cannot identify a zero and call it concrete!!! That's why there is a -0 too.

Math works yes I get that like geometry too... 180* is a flat line to a circle... 90* to a circle is ¼ in the center....yes....but it's virtual because animals know how to get their way around the circular world with out calling the circumference of the world 360*...get it? IOW, it's just a language....the number one can be any symbol and it will still mean the same.

In conclusion, math does work but is just a language and it will never mean the answer to “the big bang” in fact, I believe the only answer to the big bang is in math between -0 and 0?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 15, 2014, 07:13:59 AM
Asim:

0+0=0
1+1=2
1+1+1=3
1+1+1+1=4
1+1+1+1+1=5
1+1+1+1+1+1=6
1+1+1+1+1+1+1=7
1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1=8
1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1=9

You see how it's just a ladder? But the zero just does a turn to loop around and things become virtual. 

That is just an angle which we have to cut in to little pieces. At the core of the pieces is “the big bang” and thats how numbers where created? Lol

do the number add up diagonally? They don't! 1+1 = 0? how many times do I have to say that math is just a language?

How many times do I have to say that math is not the answer to the universe questions since math cancels out at -0 0? it's a unique lazy answer because it 0 has become static since we can't have -00 or 00 because then it would not make sense lol = language!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 15, 2014, 07:25:15 AM
Let me share a scam from evil people that really want to hurt you and just take your money!!!

I already mentioned that I sell stuff on craigslist, this is just one of the scams I face!


Quote
Stephanie Martinez <sm2227130@gmail.com>

Am grateful with your response,I am sorry that I could not longer come
to view it because I had a change in my work schedule but I believe am
ok with the condition as seen on the advert will like to make a quick
purchase so please do delete the item from Craigslist. I will be
adding $30 for you to remove the advert from Craigslist to avoid being
disturbed by other prospective buyer.
   I want you to know that i will be paying via check,and it will be
an over night payment to avoid delay. You don't need to worry your
self with the shipment ,I will take care of that as soon as payment is
received and cashed.  I will need you to provide me with the following
information to facilitate the mailing of the check.

Your full name.
2. Your mailing address
3. City
4. State
5. Postal Code
6. Cell Phone Number:
7. Agreed price to sell :

**Once again , you will not be responsible for shipping as I will have
my mover come over as soon as you have cashed the check**

**** Do Have a wonderful day God Bless You ****

Scams are easy to spot!

In fact I see the negative people here not believing in QEGs as scamers. River + alternator = FREEEE energy!!!!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on November 15, 2014, 09:22:11 AM



  Pirate Bill.
              you've pointed out what happened. The Hope girl crowd got an initial "Thrapping"
ie. paid money and received plans that weren't really complete.
   Then Robitalie thought he could work it out for himself rather than stump up another load
of cash for the next instalment from Thrapp.
   When he realised he couldn't do it and had spent all he had on Thrapp and parts and
grid power Fix (fleece) The World was conceived..
   What happens next???
Thanks Bill!
              John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ltseung888 on November 15, 2014, 09:41:36 PM


  Pirate Bill.
              you've pointed out what happened. The Hope girl crowd got an initial "Thrapping"
ie. paid money and received plans that weren't really complete.
   Then Robitalie thought he could work it out for himself rather than stump up another load
of cash for the next instalment from Thrapp.
   When he realised he couldn't do it and had spent all he had on Thrapp and parts and
grid power Fix (fleece) The World was conceived..
   What happens next???
Thanks Bill!
              John.

Most likely, QEG and WITTS will be funded by Hong Kong or China just like the 225 HP Pulse Motor.  The US Government will then forbid the shipping of the prototypes or products back to Hong Kong or China just like the 225 HP Pulse Motor.
 
Hong Kong and China do not mind spending a few million USD on new technologies.  They may learn something.  They already understand the theory.  It is the technical details - a slight mismatch can make huge difference in resonance situations.
 
From the Germany video, China has pour in over 1,000 engineers on the QEG.  The Government already employed the 225 HP Pulse Motor on tanks.  There is no big oil company to pull the legs.  Lead out energy machines are likely to come out quickly.  Taiwan has prototypes.  Hong Kong has prototypes.  I can lay my hands on the Chan, Yuen and Ting Wheels.  We have proved the power of the unbalanced wheel.  We are focusing on resonance hunting and tuning.  With sufficient insight gained from the QEG and Divine Guidance, we may be able to announce results any time.
 
The US Military already had all details of the 225 HP Pulse Engine before 2006.  It may just be a matter of one section keeping it a top secret.  This technology could have been used instead of solar panels.  There would be no need to land at the right spot to receive sunlight in the space programs.
 
I am sure that it is a matter of time and engineering breakthroughs that the QEG, WITTS, Ting or Tong Wheels will generate 5KW Lead Out Energy for the average homes.  Or the Chinese or US Military will release the top secret...
 
God Bless.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ltseung888 on November 15, 2014, 10:27:54 PM
http://non-mainstream-research.blogspot.hk/2014/04/qeg.html (http://non-mainstream-research.blogspot.hk/2014/04/qeg.html)
 
The above contains some of the analysis of the QEG by the Taiwan team.  It is in Chinese but it has much more insight than the original.
 
I am sure that they believe there is energy coming in from the surrounding.  That explained the much higher Output Energy.  I shall make sure that they study the lead out energy theory and this thread.
 
I am reproducing the two important diagrams. I shall comment on them and show how the Ting Wheel can be modified to take advantage of the resonance technique demonstrated.
 
Open source and learning from one another has its merits...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 15, 2014, 11:09:10 PM
Lawrence, you are acting as a great DISinformation agent. Why don't you tell the TRUTH about the Taiwan QEG? Tell us how the coils shorted due to improper HV design. Tell us what the _actual_ measurements of input and output power were, and why nobody in Taiwan, or anywhere else, is getting the performance promised by the Robitaille clan of liars and dupes.

There are obviously some things missing from your first photo. Can you tell me what they are?

And feel free to demonstrate that the second diagram works as claimed. You cannot, and neither can anyone else, because it simply DOES NOT, and this has been proven over and over and over, by everyone who has tried to build it.  Where does the AC input from the mains suddenly turn into DC power for the specified DC, brushed, motor, for example?

You said earlier that you could just buy a working QEG from Timothy Thrapp, that money was no problem. And I am calling your bluff. You cannot, and will not, ever do that simple thing. Meanwhile you continue to make false claims of OU performance for various devices that somehow always need to be plugged into the mains or use huge batteries, except for tiny short periods of time when you can draw off more _peak power_ ... but not more energy... than was used to run them up to speed.

Let's face it: If any of the devices you have promoted are actually "OU" in any way, it would be trivial to demonstrate it unequivocally, and the inventors would not be paying for their electricity. But none of them are, and so they cannot be, and so the inventors are _still_ connected to their national grids.

You never did answer me: From where do you get your electricity? Why did you not answer? Is the answer too embarrassing, perhaps? The person who claims all these various OU devices is still plugged into the grid? How can that be? I know the answer, and so do you.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 16, 2014, 01:10:44 AM
From the official FAQs on the be-do forum:

 
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What is the output of the QEG, so that the input for the inverter is clear ?   -Range of Voltage: 180-600 volt DC
-Maximum Power: We tested up to 10kW and it’s a conservative rating
   

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=15 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=15)

This is another of many bald-faced LIES that the FTW people have emitted concerning the QEG.

No QEG anywhere has ever come close to an OUTPUT of 10 kW. The most we have ever seen demonstrated or even reported honestly is a few hundred watts, demonstrated not by measurement but only by lighting up a few light bulbs.

VARs are not Watts of usable power.

           
Quote
The so called free energy, over unity is intiated in the device by the plasma created by the spark gap in this device. YES or NO? If not what is spark gaps function here?    NO - the exciter circuit is a tank circuit tuned to 1.3 MHz which is one of Earth's high resonance frequencies (not Schumann). Each 2-3 second spark superimposes 1.3 MHz pulses on top of the 400 Hz sine wave. This conducts local atmospheric energy into the generator core. This has effect of conditioning the core to maximize magnetic flux and output.
The exciter coil/spark gap is only used temporarily to condition the core. After a couple of weeks of use it's removed (not needed anymore).
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=26 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=26)

What were those frequencies, again? 1.3 MHz is right in the middle of the AM standard broadcast band and in Pennsylvania alone there are ELEVEN AM radio stations broadcasting a total of nearly 50 kW of radiated power between 1.280 and 1.320 MHz. Furthermore, James Robitaille himself has changed to 7 MHz, now that he realizes he cannot legally operate a _spark gap transmitter_ at 1.3 MHz without interfering with licenced broadcast stations. Furthermore, no QEG for which we have seen data or screenshots is resonating at 400 Hz. Every one is resonating at a much lower frequency, below 200 Hz. And even furthermore.... "a couple of weeks" has turned into over a YEAR, and there is still no hint, anywhere except in Lawrence's imagination, that any QEG build has experienced any "conditioning" of the core, nor have they come anywhere close to "self running".


And of course the biggest howling LIE of all is still there too:
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How is the QEG started up if it doesn’t require fuel?    All that’s needed is to spin the machine up to resonance. At that point it will run itself. It can be
started using existing electrical power if available, or a crank mechanism, or a battery powered
motor-start system. A battery start system could also keep its own batteries fully charged, by
tapping some power from the generator.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=5 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?faqid=5)

As we all are aware (except Lawrence of  course) many QEG builders have been able to "spin the machine up to resonance" but not a single one of them has ever come close to "At this point it will run itself". This claim is simply a total lie, emitted by HopeGirl in order to get people to donate money. In fact no QEG has even ever "run" AT ALL, since they have always been DRIVEN by a honking big electric motor connected to the mains supply (or perhaps a bank of batteries and an inverter). DRIVEN is not RUNNING. And the image of HopeGirl starting one up using a crank mechanism cracks me up every time I think of it. Lord knows the girl needs some exercise, but this is just a ridiculous claim all the way around.

So why.... tell me why... is the Be-Do forum still carrying these PROVEN LIES and pretending they are true? Never mind, I know why, and so do you.



   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 16, 2014, 01:32:59 AM
Let me share a scam from evil people that really want to hurt you and just take your money!!!

I already mentioned that I sell stuff on craigslist, this is just one of the scams I face!


Scams are easy to spot!

In fact I see the negative people here not believing in QEGs as scamers. River + alternator = FREEEE energy!!!!!!
I find your meaningless chattering on off topic matters and your denial of the number zero to be completely turdic. I'd truly like to flush you away from this forum.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 16, 2014, 02:16:48 AM
It wood appear joel just doesn't seem to understand that people don't like to be interrupted when they are beating a dead horse or just beating off.

C'mon joel get with the programming.

Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 16, 2014, 02:25:42 AM
It wood appear joel just doesn't seem to understand that people don't like to be interrupted when they are beating a dead horse or just beating off.

C'mon joel get with the programming.

Regards...
Does that mean that you conclude that the QEG is a dead horse?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ltseung888 on November 16, 2014, 02:27:44 AM
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg423570/#msg423570 (http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg423570/#msg423570)
 
The discussion of QEG from the point of view of the LEE-TSEUNG lead out energy theory and the proposed improvements.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 16, 2014, 02:36:39 AM
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg423570/#msg423570 (http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg423570/#msg423570)
 
The discussion of QEG from the point of view of the LEE-TSEUNG lead out energy theory and the proposed improvements.
The Robitailles have demonstrated that the QEG is a low effiency power converter.  If you think that you can modify a QEG to make it into the free energy generator that the Robitailles represent, then I am sure many people would love to see a working demonstration.  If it is just a theory of yours, you have had many such theories of working free energy machines and none have worked.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 16, 2014, 04:55:08 AM
Lawrence has said:
Quote
I do not care about the comments from the trolls.  I have working Chan, Yuen and Ting Wheels to improve.  Money is not a problem.  Huge sums are flowing into Hong Kong.   We can easily donate the USD100,000 to WITTS to get a self looped system before the other QEG researchers.  It may be a repeat of the funding of the 225 HP Pulse Motor by a Hong Kong Investor.

Money is not a problem. Nothing else from Lawrence need be considered until he either DOES this thing, or admits that he cannot do it and retracts the claim.

Come on Lawrence. Buy the self-looped system from WITTS before the Big Oil people find him and shut him down! Hurry! Every day that goes by without you doing this thing that you say can be easily done, money is not a problem...every day that goes by is another day with starving children, polluted air and water, people _dying_ for lack of available clean power. You have a moral obligation to tell the truth and DO IT. Nobody else is stepping up to do this thing you say is easily done, money is not a problem. Why are you delaying, why are you making posts about the non-functioning FTW QEG when you can easily donate the USD100,000 to WITTS to get a self looped system NOW? What is the matter with you?

And... for the third time, where do you get your electricity?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 16, 2014, 05:49:32 AM
Consider the following. All cars need wheels to move about a solid surface. Right? 100% facts! Now lets think why the cars are able to move around flat surfaces by wheels in an earth surface where we already traveling thousands of miles a second already (the spinning of earth)...IOW, the circumference of the earth is traveling at thousands of miles per second but we don't see it?

So why is it that with battery operated cars we get more miles per the gallon equivalent than a gasoline engine? It is already 100% facts that electric cars get more mileage than the equivalent gasoline engines 100% facts!

Everyone understands battery technology right? Ni-cd, nihm, lead acid, lithium-ion?

So one can see how the battery technology has over taken mi-cd technology and is being phased out.

How does this relate the wheel?

Well the wheel always requires LESS ENERGY to spin, because if did not, then the wheel would not turn. Plain and simple.

That means everything is a wheel. Air, sound, light, black holes, dark matter, motors, atoms, etc....all of them require wheels!!!

how does a hard drive disk head read bytes recorded via magnetism in the platters read? By spinning the platter!

How are miles measured, by spinning the tires?

How are days of the week measures, by the earth spinning around the sun? We can we ask further deeper questions, how is the galaxy spinning? By what energy?

The fact of the matter is that everything is spinning because the spinning is what gather the energy from the dark matter.

So you see how everything makes sense. Car wheels spin to move. Light particles move to shine. Motors move to gather energy. We need to hunt to consume energy. Everything needs to move to gather the energy.

Gathering FREE ENERGY from the movement is on based on the way you move how much energy you gather.

That is the basis of the FATCS! And the goal of everything! What does that mean? The more eficient motor that can move with less friction will gather more energy!!! plain and simple.

It is very simple in my mind that if you can make a motor that gathers spinning energy from light, sound, gravity, water, other greater type of spinning energy, then you will output more than the input!!! 100! facts!

The human body has no wheels. Ok! Walk 400 miles VS driving 400 miles? 3 dollars a gallon to drive 400 miles in 1-2 hours. Many energy and days to walk 400 miles? How hard is thast to understand that the wheel is over unity?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: orbut 3000 on November 16, 2014, 06:36:12 AM
ok, let me ask you this. dolphins are mostly unemployed but they still live and do things I wonder why unemployed humanists can't live by the same rules? Atoms are free energy because off there spins and why are QEGs made of atoms are not? Science only applies to *known* phenomenouns, the unknown and novel it can't cover and apply to. So please stop you're negativety and keep you mind open to the unknown. Thenks. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 16, 2014, 07:14:31 AM
Most dolphins are unemployed because:

They never learned to type 45wpm or faster, they have poor spreadsheet skills, can't format PowerPoint presentations to corporate standards, insist on expensive dolphin friendly workplaces, and face active discrimination.  On any day there are fewer than 10 job openings on Craig's List that invite dolphins to apply.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 16, 2014, 07:43:16 AM
What is this river of FREEE energy?

"dark matter"?

Water?

Air?

Light?

Gravity?

Aliens?

God?

Hmmm let me think, only humans are providing energy when I pay them money!! and there is no energy after that! Lol what kind of stupid logic is that? Lets stop being ignorant as not to see how where they are getting the energy from? Really is that hard to see? Lol

FREEE energy is a geometrical circle coming in from every 20* (or even less) angle. There are kilowatts after kilowatts being ignored every second from the inefficient motor!!!!!

The number 0 is abundance of energy while it is virtual?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 16, 2014, 08:14:34 AM
Am I the only one that sees CIRCLES OF ENERGY all over the place?

These circles of energy fade too!

“the big bang” was a huge CIRCLE that created little baby circles in the blanket of space ripples?

So we live in a FREEE ripple of energy!!!

and the ripple of energy has little ripples too!

All the ripples will fade from the huge energy!

But who cannot see the galaxy being in this ripple?

And the galaxy ripple can be traces all the way down to even tornadoes?

Or air currents in the earth?

Lets imagine “the big bang” is a tsunami! All of this energy is creating water bubbles well all the bubble will dissipate?

We are living in a dissipating bubble of energy!!!!

but that means that our energy is still coming from the root of the tsunami and will continue to do for billions of years since that energy is tooooo big to count with 1 and a 000000000000000000000000 to comprehend in real human terms. The fact of the matter is that it's FREEE 'spining” energy!!!

We are just living in the center of a tornado! Lol....hard to explain this shyt but it is common sense!

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 16, 2014, 12:46:48 PM
I see the Joel troll has adopted the Rosemary Ainslie strategy of attempting to bury significant challenges to false claimants and false claims with post after post of irrelevant nonsense.

ONCE AGAIN: LTseung has made a bold statement that MONEY IS NO OBJECT, and that he and his people can easily donate 100,000 dollars to WITTS to obtain a self running QEG NOW, before anyone else builds one.

And I have made the point that HE SHOULD DO THIS IMMEDIATELY, because every day that goes by, with no self running QEG in evidence, is another day of strife, sickness, poverty, hunger and warfare caused by the lack of availability of clean and free energy sources.  Lawrence has a MORAL OBLIGATION to do this thing that he says is so easily done.  How many children died of cholera or malnutrition yesterday? Eh, Lawrence? When they could have had clean water and free electricity if only YOU had done what you claimed is easily done?

DO IT, LTseung. What are you waiting for? The world is waiting for you to liberate this technology from WITTS and Sir Timothy Thrapp (peace be upon him). The Robitialles tried to do it on the cheap after only one seminar with Sir Timothy and they arrogantly thought they knew the secret of Self Running, but clearly they underestimated Sir Timothy's intellectual property protection. SO the hopes of the world now rest with Lawrence Tseung, who has said very clearly that Money is No Problem, that huge amounts of cash are flowing into Hong Kong, that he could easily do this thing. But for some reason he is not doing it. WHY NOT?

Lawrence, I demand that you GO OUT TODAY and do what you have claimed you can easily do. Or... if you actuallly cannot do what you have claimed, you really  need to retract your false claim and apologize for making it.

And for the 4th time: Where do you get your electricity, LTseung?

You false claimants have no idea how sick you are, lying about what you can do, while people all over the world are suffering and dying because YOU CANNOT ACTUALLY DO IT.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 16, 2014, 01:00:54 PM
People would only be suffering needlessly if the claimed technology were real but not being pursued.  Since the claims are BS no one is being harmed by being denied something that doesn't exist in the first place.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 16, 2014, 01:38:44 PM
People would only be suffering needlessly if the claimed technology were real but not being pursued.  Since the claims are BS no one is being harmed by being denied something that doesn't exist in the first place.
Therefore.... LTseung is lying -- or deluded -- when he claims he can "easily donate 100000 dollars to WITTS" to buy a self running machine. Fine, let him admit it and retract his lying delusional claim then.

We do not need this area of research to be cluttered up with false claims from people like LTseung or offtopic silly rants from people like Joel. We do not need false claimants like the FTW QEG people to poison the wells of credibility and financing with their lies and delusions. We do not need constant errors, basic misunderstandings and inadequate testing protocols from people who might mean well but refuse to take the advice of those who are experts in the fields involved. We do not need all this BULLSHIT and gobbledegook from blowhards who think they are the next Tesla but cannot even handle units properly and who have never even done any formal study of the topics.
 >:(
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 16, 2014, 01:44:35 PM
"Dolphins are mostly unemployed" Tis true, but they play a very very important role here on earth. In the unlikely event that the earth is destroyed, their  principle function is to bridge all probabilities by winking out of existence a picosecond prior to the event so that a new earth can be created.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 16, 2014, 02:15:48 PM
Therefore.... LTseung is lying -- or deluded -- when he claims he can "easily donate 100000 dollars to WITTS" to buy a self running machine. Fine, let him admit it and retract his lying delusional claim then.

We do not need this area of research to be cluttered up with false claims from people like LTseung or offtopic silly rants from people like Joel. We do not need false claimants like the FTW QEG people to poison the wells of credibility and financing with their lies and delusions. We do not need constant errors, basic misunderstandings and inadequate testing protocols from people who might mean well but refuse to take the advice of those who are experts in the fields involved. We do not need all this BULLSHIT and gobbledegook from blowhards who think they are the next Tesla but cannot even handle units properly and who have never even done any formal study of the topics.
 >:(
Generally, Lawrence keeps to his own thread where his promotion of his non-working lead out ideas are more or less innocuous.  Why he has chosen to spew BS here about working QEGs and a $100,000. check burning a hole in his under-unity pocket I don't know.  He just sets himself up to look silly if he doesn't live up to his big claim.

If someone posts way off topic or off the wall or both I find it simpler to just scroll past than to bother giving such posts any time or energy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 16, 2014, 02:16:50 PM
"Dolphins are mostly unemployed" Tis true, but they play a very very important role here on earth. In the unlikely event that the earth is destroyed, their  principle function is to bridge all probabilities by winking out of existence a picosecond prior to the event so that a new earth can be created.
No one can call them ungrateful.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 16, 2014, 07:54:35 PM
I've come to the conclusion that Joel is the living embodiment of a QEG, in that his intellectual output is far far less than what he inputs from folks here in this forum.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 16, 2014, 10:46:18 PM
I've come to the conclusion that Joel is the living embodiment of a QEG, in that his intellectual output is far far less than what he inputs from folks here in this forum.

But at least we get it for free!


(and we can't get rid of it....)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ltseung888 on November 17, 2014, 01:26:59 AM
 At my age and experience, I start to like Fixtheworldproject.org more and more.
 
Their philosophy of disclosing and sharing what they know even if that is incomplete starts to excite me.
 
The Milkovic 2SO is already an overunity or lead out energy device.  The swing amplitude does not decrease when the weight is lifted.
 
We just changed the pendulum to unbalanced wheel and we have the same effect.  In other words, we already have an OU device in the form of the Chan Wheel.  If we stop at this stage and tell the World, almost every garage mechanic can have an OU device.
 
All we need to show is the horizontal pendulum and every scientist will know that they can lead out magnetic or electromagnetic energy.
 
The more exact theory is that we lead out the Electron Cloud Energy and thus do not violate the Law of Conservation of Energy.
 
Do we actually need to build a 5KW electricity generator ourselves?  Can we entrust that job to the younger generation?  Some produced the 225 HP Pulse Motor and their work became
"top secret".
 
The commercial dollar sign kept the Tong, Ting Wheels confidential.  That is likely to make the rich richer.  Is that the Divine Way???
 
I shall devote effort in making the QEG the 5KW open source unit. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 17, 2014, 01:52:24 AM
 
Their philosophy of disclosing and sharing what they know even if that is incomplete starts to excite me.
 
 

Lawrence:

That is just the point...they are NOT being open about anything!  Have they acknowledged or disclosed that ALL of the units being made have failed?  Have they disclosed that there never was a WORKING unit to begin with?  They still claim overunity yet, ALL of their measurements were totally off and false, yet, they continue to try to raise even more money from Hapless dupes (Like Joel) and then fled the country.

Not one bit of evidence that any device has ever worked as they claim...not one.  Is this being open in your opinion?

They have NOT shared what they know as they know, at least by now if not even at the beginning, that these devices do not work at all.  Have they shared this little tidbit of info?  have they admitted that the QEGs do not work as advertised?

The answer is NO!  So, it is a huge jump from reality to say that they are open and share.  Lying to raise money by publishing false statements is not being open at all...it is fraud.  They are all con men (and women) and are in it to make money from uneducated hopeful folks and that is terrible.  You Sir, would never do that...I would never do that...and I dare say that the folks here on this forum would never do that.  It is wrong, and gives the rest of the folks here, and elsewhere, that are actually doing real research, a bad name.  It is a blight on all of us Sir.

There is not one single "working" QEG anywhere on the entire planet.  Not one. Reality can speak for itself.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on November 17, 2014, 09:58:47 AM
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg423570/#msg423570 (http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg423570/#msg423570)
 
The discussion of QEG from the point of view of the LEE-TSEUNG lead out energy theory and the proposed improvements.


Happy to meet you in Hong Kong anytime to see any POC (proof of concept) devices you have that exhibit any overunity, free energy or a COP of more than one (you choose). I was really disappointed when the UFO's did not show up at the Olympic games in 2012 in China.


Kind Regards
Mark Dansie
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 17, 2014, 02:31:08 PM
The ridiculous "Project Hope Rocks. Tesla Lives!" campaign on Indiegogo is now over.  They raised $170 out of $50,000.  The Fix the World begging campaign on FundRazr is stuck at $1650 out of $22,000 and has been stuck there for a long time.

Fix the World has "jumped the shark" and people are not giving them any more money.  Some reasons for this include the total failure of the QEG and the outright lies that were stated at the start of the whole thing by Naima and her cohorts.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 17, 2014, 04:11:40 PM

Happy to meet you in Hong Kong anytime to see any POC (proof of concept) devices you have that exhibit any overunity, free energy or a COP of more than one (you choose). I was really disappointed when the UFO's did not show up at the Olympic games in 2012 in China.


Kind Regards
Mark Dansie

I note that:

Lawrence Tseung has claimed that "money is no object" and that he can "easily donate 100000 dollars to WITTS" to purchase a "working QEG" from Sir Timothy Thrapp. Yet he has neither done this thing, nor retracted the outrageous claim that he can do it.

I note that Lawrence Tseung claimed to have sent out many "overunity" Joule Thief circuits (which in fact were not "ou" at all) to academics and scientists... and he has not reported what responses, if any, he has gotten from those people.

I note that Lawrence Tseung has been asked many times "where do you get your electricity" and he has not deigned to answer.

So much for "open source" and honest, truthful reporting.  For a while, during the JT debacle, I thought Lawrence Tseung was amenable to rational discussion and honest evaluation of his demonstrations and his concepts. I no longer believe that is true.

Don't worry Mark D. you won't be travelling to HK to meet with Lawrence Tseung any time soon: he is a blowhard bluffer with nothing of substance to demonstrate... other than perhaps a three-legged "overunity"  milking stool, or a plain ordinary JT connected to an inaccurate cheapo digital oscilloscope.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 18, 2014, 09:16:14 AM
Quote
I see the Joel troll has adopted the Rosemary Ainslie strategy of attempting to bury significant challenges to false claimants and false claims with post after post of irrelevant nonsense.

I'm only used to looking at facts. Facts = experiences = eye sight! Lest do the math....facts = 100%? they would cancel out!!!

what does that means? Perception via eye sight and the human senses ONLY! There could be an animal that is made of light that is wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy beyond our understanding of the materialistic! Plain and simple!

I find it hard to believe that there are no microorganisms floating in space...SWIMMING IN THE DARK MATTER! In fact, i'm 100% certain that there are organisms living in the dark matter....it is 100% make sense because if it did not, things would not work!

Let me think about it for a minute...we have all of this space vegetables, onions, tomatoes, pasta, water,  etc....and only in the arth a soup can be made out of all of the ingredients?

Think about it! The universe is all onions, tomatoes, water, fire, mustard, salt, and the only place that a soup can be made is in the earth? C'mon intelligent people! That means that a soup can be made everywhere especially since we are made from the ingredients!!!

This world is driven by GREED that's why a lot of the smart people see the truth as CRAZY stuff. Can you imagine working for no money? Can you imagine if you trade to convert the money to EVOLUTION?

There is all of this evidence of little input greater output that it's the basis of money and getting rich!
All over the place evidence that people are so blinded by believing that there is nothing else to be learned!

Is not like humans are powering gravity? AKA the river power to spin the alternators?

River energy → spins alternators → for infinity?

This is getting old! And not worth their attention! It comes a time when they become part of the dodo birds.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 18, 2014, 09:35:22 AM
They only like to live in their own little bubble where the bubble is a level! 

Think about it...at EVRERY ANGLE of the the world, everything is level. Meaning parallel to the ground. BUT, we know the earth is a 3D sphere...so by that alone we can see that most people are blind since the only thing that is level is in your onwn little space and that level is 30* offset in another area of the earth circumference!

It's pretty simple, build a leveled house in the north pole. Everything is leveled....NOW build a house in the equator all leveled...so you see in the north and in the equator everything is leveled!!

So you ask yourself, how the fuck can that be since the earth is a 3D sphere?

The answer is that only in cubic feet that can happen. Divide the earth in bubic cubes and everything will be leveled in the paralleled. BUT that is not the truth to the universe nor the truth! That is only living in a bubble where one thinks they have figured everything out. Like holly shyt, that's the whole purpose of evolving.

Evolution means learning till we find out what the “the big bang” was made from! So, there is no human in the world that can sit here and tell me that they have figured everything out!

Let me talk to the most intelligent person in the world and answer why the earth is psining around the sun?

Then after he answers, tell me why the sun is spinning around other suns, then explain why the other stuff is a galaxy, then explain why the galaxy is just a grain of sand in the universe, then explain why are they spinning, then explain where did all of the “big bang” energy go? Lol I mean, are we gathering 120v/240v from the big bang or are the volts created from a nerd? Lol...

I thought I was dealing with smart people here!
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 18, 2014, 10:00:40 AM
See your table being paralleled to the ground? Lol, how can your table be parallel in the equator and still call it parallel in the north pole?

Picture in your mind a lot of parallel lines in your mind around the circumference of the earth! Yeah the level works in your area at any angle of the earth...but you are only paralleled to the cubic area in the circle! This is common sense by now. But it shows how it can only works one way ONLY, I'm sure there are angels in the earth where the level bubble cannot be in the center!

Now after picturing all measuring bubble levels being parallel to their own cubic area, we can see that it's just language! All over the circumference of the earth, we are all parallel to the center? Yet we can be in the north, south, north west, north east, south west, etc, and at every place everything is paralleled to the center...

As a matter of fact, the pendulum is a part of keeping the earth in place....since there is always a balance to the motion! ISOLATION.

Think about it when there is no movement and everything becomes a point? This → “.”...how would energy be equally given then?

Lol, the government can give the river generators for free!!!! in fact the people can pitch in 5 dollars each to make a hoover damn and stop paying for electricity!!!! since electricity is FREEEE!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 18, 2014, 01:16:29 PM
Quote
Let me talk to the most intelligent person in the world and answer why the earth is psining around the sun?
Joel it's the "G"force. Same letter "G" as in QEG. Do you see the connection. Pretty spooky hey!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: danielduesentrieb on November 19, 2014, 04:03:54 AM

 The Milkovic 2SO is already an overunity or lead out energy device.  The swing amplitude does not decrease when the weight is lifted.

 

This statement is pure "bovine excrement residue". I have build one of those Milkovic machines, have you? My machine had a 1m dia wheel which was driven by a ratchet mechanism activated from the oscillating beam on the fulcrum. As soon as the ratchet mechanism engaged and the wheel started turning (In other words made to perform work), the amplitude of the pendulum started to decrease. Milkovic has not been able to demonstrate overunity at all and neither has anyone trying to replicate his contraption.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 19, 2014, 07:31:17 PM
Joel it's the "G"force. Same letter "G" as in QEG. Do you see the connection. Pretty spooky hey!

The top of the Golden Gate Bridge is almost two inches wider at the top than the base because of the curvature of the Earth!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ltseung888 on November 20, 2014, 01:14:33 AM
Void,
 
Thank you for the good information.
 
I do not mind that some information is many years old.  The Milkovic 2SO must have been around for over 20 years.  Why do thousands of scientists look at it and cannot see that it is already an OU or a lead out energy device.
 
I was told by a mechanical engineer that the Milkovic 2SO was one of their projects when he was an undergraduate over 10 years ago.  They, including their lecturer. did not make the link with the unbalanced wheel.
 
How many who looked at the video made that connection?  How many build the equivalent of the Chan Wheel?  How many confirmed that a balanced wheel cannot lift the Weight whereas the unbalanced wheel can easily lift the Weight?   How many noticed that the amplitude of oscillation of the pendulum does not decrease?  How many conclude that the energy must come in from outside?  How many realized that gravitational energy must have been brought in?
 
If gravitational energy can be brought in by the unbalanced wheel Milkovic style, can magnetic or electromagnetic energy be brought in similarly?
 
This vital link points to the possibility that many pulse motors are actually OU.  The efforts of thousands of OU researchers will not be in vain...
 
QEG and the WITTS devices are likely to be OU already...  Ignore the trolls.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ltseung888 on November 20, 2014, 01:28:37 AM
This statement is pure "bovine excrement residue". I have build one of those Milkovic machines, have you? My machine had a 1m dia wheel which was driven by a ratchet mechanism activated from the oscillating beam on the fulcrum. As soon as the ratchet mechanism engaged and the wheel started turning (In other words made to perform work), the amplitude of the pendulum started to decrease. Milkovic has not been able to demonstrate overunity at all and neither has anyone trying to replicate his contraption.

Please show your built in the Milkovic 2SO thread.  It will be interesting to show the comparison with the Chan and Yuen Wheels.    Both wheels are available for experiments.  Please also perform the unbalanced wheel experiment.  Change the pendulum to an unbalanced wheel.  See if the Weight is lifted when the wheel is balanced and unbalanced.
 
Change the number and position of the weights on the unbalanced wheel and you can see marked difference in performance...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 20, 2014, 01:52:40 AM

 
This vital link points to the possibility that many pulse motors are actually OU.  The efforts of thousands of OU researchers will not be in vain...
 
QEG and the WITTS devices are likely to be OU already...  Ignore the trolls.

Lawrence:

OK, now you have really lost your mind.  Saying crap like with while showing NO EVIDENCE is no better than what that idiot Joel has been doing.  Remember, you claimed that the JT circuits were O.U. too?  What happened to that?  You stated that they were O.U....we all know better.
You even claimed that the 4 legged stool experiment proved O.U.  What happened to that?

So many claims and statements, yet not one shred of evidence or proof.

Now who is the troll?  Please come back to reality.

Bill  (Typing from what we like to call...the real world)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 20, 2014, 06:41:12 AM
Void,
 
Thank you for the good information.
 
I do not mind that some information is many years old.  The Milkovic 2SO must have been around for over 20 years.  Why do thousands of scientists look at it and cannot see that it is already an OU or a lead out energy device.
 
I was told by a mechanical engineer that the Milkovic 2SO was one of their projects when he was an undergraduate over 10 years ago.  They, including their lecturer. did not make the link with the unbalanced wheel.
 
How many who looked at the video made that connection?  How many build the equivalent of the Chan Wheel?  How many confirmed that a balanced wheel cannot lift the Weight whereas the unbalanced wheel can easily lift the Weight?   How many noticed that the amplitude of oscillation of the pendulum does not decrease?  How many conclude that the energy must come in from outside?  How many realized that gravitational energy must have been brought in?
 
If gravitational energy can be brought in by the unbalanced wheel Milkovic style, can magnetic or electromagnetic energy be brought in similarly?
 
This vital link points to the possibility that many pulse motors are actually OU.  The efforts of thousands of OU researchers will not be in vain...
 
QEG and the WITTS devices are likely to be OU already...  Ignore the trolls.
Lawrence would you be so kind as to show a working demonstration that offers strong evidence that any of the devices that you have represented over the years as being OU actually is OU?  by my recollection each and every device you have represented as OU has been discredited.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ltseung888 on November 20, 2014, 07:10:35 AM
Dear TK and Bill,
 
Please study the posts from:
 
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg417148/#msg417148 (http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg417148/#msg417148)
 
There is no need to repeat.
 
God Bless,
 
Lawrence
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 20, 2014, 02:49:28 PM
Where do you get your electricity, Lawrence? What kind of feedback did you get from all those non-OU Joule Thiefs that you sent out, claiming that they were OU?

Apparently there IS a need to repeat. Otherwise you'd answer the questions. Of course you are still connected to your local grid, none of the devices or schemes you tout are actually capable of producing more energy OUT than you put IN, and not a single one of the "inventors" who are wasting their time and money are running their homes on their devices.

You said that money is no object and that you can easily donate 100000 dollars to Sir Timothy Thrapp to purchase a "working" self running QEG. But you clearly are not prepared to back up that statement with action.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on November 20, 2014, 03:54:39 PM



   Yes Lawrence,
                  12 times more output than input. Let's see what happens!
  Take a water tank and arrange a 25mm outlet pipe at the bottom.
  Next, arrange for 12x25mm hoses to put water into the top.
  Turn on and observe.
  I think you will find after a few minutes you've got water everywhere.
  Question. Why doesn't old Milkovich accelerate and explode through
  overspeeding????
              John.
   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on November 20, 2014, 09:39:40 PM
Void,
 
Thank you for the good information.
 
I do not mind that some information is many years old.  The Milkovic 2SO must have been around for over 20 years.  Why do thousands of scientists look at it and cannot see that it is already an OU or a lead out energy device.
 ....


Dear TK and Bill,
 
Please study the posts from:
 
http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg417148/#msg417148 (http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg417148/#msg417148)
....
 
Lawrence

I have seen your video, and you know what : I have seen a pendulum who need some help to move and nothing as output.
   if d= displacement ,  F= force and  and W = energy.
Then, W= d * F   and in a cycle, there are 2 displacement: one >0 (d+) and one <0 (d-). With |(d+)|=|(d-)|.
 - In a cyle  the  Net_Displacement = (d+) + (d-) =0, since the mass come back to his position!
  Again; During a cycle the pendulum gives its energy to the load for the lift and the load restores the same energy to the pendulum by regaining its place

Where is OU?
The yield is   OutputEnegy/InputEnergy:
     0/InputEnergy=0 ...

Yes,  000000000000000 as Joel would say!
This machine only make some bad noise.

Have you another explanation?

PS: Please excuse-me, as you have already understood, English is not my native language!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 21, 2014, 08:21:25 AM
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Joel it's the "G"force. Same letter "G" as in QEG. Do you see the connection. Pretty spooky hey!

“G”force = “G”ravity force?

Qe”G”= “G”enerator 

Don't tell me you know about astronomy besides Printed Circuit Boards (PCB) is not like printed circuit boards are hard to understand)?

Just because you know about electronics does not mean you know about the whole universe lol.

Electronics are all valves and switches to the river.

Capacitor = gathers electricity to discharge.

Resistor = restricts the flow

Diode = restricts the flow of AC

they are all little valves that move 0's and 1's through the copper tracks along with electricity.

You can even picture the Hoover dam alternators being capacitors. The discharging is due to sniping the commutators.

Atc atc atc.

I have said many times that the soup of the earth is based on the ingredients of the universe! Because it makes 100% sense.

See here http://www.ibtimes.com/comet-landing-2014-rosetta-probe-philae-discovers-organic-molecules-report-1725228

I don't even find this as big news...it only pleases the human sense of sight, touch feel, etc...the thinking past your nose sense is already thinking past beyond that...the lagging is in the taking it to court and proving it.

Hmmm let me guess, they will find organisms in outer space....ok, yay! I have believe this since 10 years ago!

You can even think of the universe as being a Printed Circuit Board!!

“The big bang” is a battery.

“The starts” are capacitors.

“dark matter” are carbon tracks.

This is why the universe is an electric world.

Now who knows where all of this FREE ELECTRICITY COMES FROM?

The FREEEE energy is already obvious.

Where is came from not soo much! And we won't know for millions of years...but the fact that it's FREEE and that we are gatherest of it is pretty simple stuff!! ::)




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 21, 2014, 08:41:49 AM
Lol why are people so intelligent yet so naive!

So the big bang started from this dot → “.” and created ROCKS, DARK MATTER, LIFE, WATER, AIR, ELECTRICITY...hmmm....yeah lets call it a 0 in math! And everyone is happy with coming from a “dot”?

Who am I to question “the dot”? The all holly and mighty “dot”. In fact I want to worship the “dot” because it gave us life! Like a mother gives birth to a “dot”.

At least giving birth to a child we know how the child is born and we feed it, raise it, love it, play with it, feel loved by it.

BUT a “dot”? How did a “dot” gave birth to a UNIVERSE? Lol just question the nerds and don't believe they know more than you do!

In fact, coming from non-rich people, come the most smartest people in the world! Why? Because they don't focus on money nor these blind beliefs of non-believers!

A “dot” busted out all of this universe and i'm suppose to go crazy and believe that?

Even if I believe that, then the “dot” gave us all of this FREEE energy! Plain and simple! The “dot” is the river of FREEE energy! No you, not your mom, not your uncle, not your brother, not your sister, ONLY the “dot”?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 21, 2014, 09:01:17 AM
The universe could be a QEG = looping itself.

Who am I to believe that the universe has a “gas tank”? Lol

has anyone really thought about these stuff? Or are we just satisfied with the notion of that everything came from a 'point' in outer space?

And even if that where true, what created that point?

A perfect example is micro organisms VS humans. Like right in your face....a microorganism does not know what a human is nor a human know what a micro organism is. PERCEPTION!

In the microorganism INTELLECTIAL capacity, there is a “big bang” in the human world there is a “big bang” but we could be micro organisms to other animals...WOW my mind just blew LOL

Oh shyt my rent is due of  $1300 a month while I only spend 36 hours in my house monday through friday...lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 21, 2014, 10:55:56 PM
He is some discussion on the Canada QEG that appeared on be-do on the 14th.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/611-working-of-the-qeg-one-engineer-s-perspective (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/611-working-of-the-qeg-one-engineer-s-perspective)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on November 22, 2014, 06:43:52 PM



  Joel,
       you keep bleating on, what about our set up? A photon is a quantum of light?
 We've got 45 kw. of solar panels and believe me on a reasonable day they put out
 some juice. Might describe it more as a quantum energy harvester but I bet it could
 power a good few Robitalie resonators.
    Anyways to get a bit more out of the deal we have a couple of boreholes,water from
 one bore, goes through a heat recovery system and is returned to the other bore.
  At times an immersion heater is used to raise the temperature of the circulating
 water to sterilise it and prevent the risk of Leigonella.
  Now if someone could come up with a decent storage battery!!!
                 John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 23, 2014, 03:37:08 PM
HopelessGirl , James, etal  living it up in Morocco on their ill gotten gains. Note the million dollar yachts. There is even a guy with a striking resemblance to Sterling Allan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjZhMDdT3E (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akjZhMDdT3E)

HG is still posting her videos in an attempt to keep the money flowing in. Good number of never seen before live QEG shots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUOIxNj6WbU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUOIxNj6WbU)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 23, 2014, 05:32:13 PM
And of course "comments disabled" so nobody can point out the lies and false claims and broken promises, or the solid linkup to the remnants of the criminal OPPT organization.

They'll wind up scamming somebody over there who will not take kindly to being lied to... and then they might get a bit more than they bargained for.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 23, 2014, 06:00:28 PM
I see know signs that James is working on the QEG. He's clearly moved on and dropped the illusion. HG's parents probably collecting social security so can easily live in Morocco for sometime. Maybe has a company pension. I wonder how much money in total she and James scammed outside of the public fund raising efforts. Consulting fees etc.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 23, 2014, 06:21:09 PM
Hope girl is just winding down her 2nd term as US President...no wait, that's 'hope and change' girl.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ltseung888 on November 23, 2014, 09:03:55 PM
Letter of encouragement to the QEG teams.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 23, 2014, 09:18:12 PM
Letter of encouragement to the QEG teams.

The only letter of encouragement to the QEG teams should read as follows:

Dear QEG team members,

Please be open about all of the failures (100%) that you have experienced and allow comments on your blog sites that might actually educate you.  Also, please do not try to raise even one dime of money under false pretenses.  (We have a running QEG producing O.U. in PA for months now)

Please explain to folks that the QEG has never been O.U. and that all of your measurements have been wrong to date.  Establish an open dialog to deal with the realities of this scam, and this device, and maybe folks might want to experiment to see if the device can be improved.

Also, please return any and all monies received under false pretensions.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on November 24, 2014, 12:50:30 AM
Letter of encouragement to the QEG teams.

A letter of indictment would be more suited.

1.  Right off the back.  Where is the U.K. report?  Asked 20+ times now.
2.  Where is the updated singular open source document(s)?
3.  Has the concept of turning and looking behind you ever crossed FTW's mind?  Some call such a task updating, some following up.  Taiwain, U.K. Pennsylvania, Florida, Germany, amongst other places. 
4.  If James was hours away months ago from self looping, he must be femto seconds away now.
5.  Hopegirl, can you visually identify a resistor from a capacitor?  I dare not ask actually giving functional details.
6.  Why is the self proclaimed leader of the free energy realm, dolla dolla bill girl, not a be-do-er, some one who has actually build power circuits?
7.  Who are you dolla dolla bill girl to give industry tips and secrets?  Are you a technician?  Engineer? Manufacturing or Production Manager?  Floor worker?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: wayne49s on November 24, 2014, 02:14:52 AM
I heard the OPPT community that hope girl was associated with there, fell apart. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 24, 2014, 03:34:57 AM
Letter of encouragement to the QEG teams.
Lawrence why do you choose to offer your support to demonstrated frauds?  That does not reflect well on your judgement.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 24, 2014, 04:21:23 AM
I heard the OPPT community that hope girl was associated with there, fell apart.
Yep, as soon as they figured out nobody was going to wash their dishes for them, they started fading away. Heather Tucci-Jarraf is still there, though.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_People%27s_Public_Trust
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on November 25, 2014, 01:08:50 PM
Yep, as soon as they figured out nobody was going to wash their dishes for them, they started fading away. Heather Tucci-Jarraf is still there, though.
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_People%27s_Public_Trust (http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_People%27s_Public_Trust)
HopeGirl clearly got the idea for her scam from Brian Kelly (OPPT opal tour, engine running on water but needed donations for gas). HG I'm sure believed that with her business background she could take the crowd funding idea to whole other level, and she had a purported free energy device in her back yard (WITTS). Now that I've seen more pictures of Brian I'm sure that he in the guy I said looked like Sterling Allan in her latest video. Actually FIX THE WORLD looks like a joint Brian and HopeGirl idea dating back to summer of 2013: http://joy2theworld2012.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/fix-the-world-documentary-a-quick-update-by-brian-kelly-hope-girl/ (http://joy2theworld2012.wordpress.com/2013/06/20/fix-the-world-documentary-a-quick-update-by-brian-kelly-hope-girl/)

And if you are in doubt about HG being intimately connected with the OPPT then there is this from Brians blog
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In a historical event unlike any other, a free energy device was crowdfunded and open sourced. Then one was donated to an impoverished village in Morocco. The Morocco QEG build was made open to the public with an invitation to anyone who was interested to come and learn how to build a QEG. Close to 80 people from 24 different countries showed up in the little village of Aouchtam Morocco for this unique event which was hosted thanks to the hard work of some of our best friends and fellow truth movement bloggers. Those attending where some of the highest caliber engineers and physicists on the planet. This is what happens when you open source and give away technology! Below is a beautiful recalling of the experience of the QEG in Morocco written by our friend and future blogger Mel B. It begins here in England where the FTW family is busy preparing for our next build and 3rd phase completion of the project. Thank you Mel for capturing the true essence of the miracles that unfolded in Morocco during this unprecedented time in our human history!
-Hope
Aouchtam is were the OPPT set up their community and were Heather and Brian presumably reside. Here is were one of Brian's supporters explicitly claims that they achieved OU in Aouchtam: http://truthseeker1313.com/2014/05/24/brian-kellys-blog-free-energy-is-here/ (http://truthseeker1313.com/2014/05/24/brian-kellys-blog-free-energy-is-here/) These guys live in a complete fantasy world. HG's note above reads like they actually built a working device and handed it over to the villagers to pump water. It's all about creating an illusion to con people into giving them money so they can continue to live in Morocco. Notice how there is a donate button on Brian's page. HG has the same thing going on. It's not all crowd funding events, there is money trickling in all the time. The sad thing is the folks buying the QEG core for $3k a pop are not aware of this intimate connection with the OPPT, and are unaware that this is and was always a carefully choreographed scam to fund a commune in Morocco. I'm sure HG has been planing her move to Morocco for sometime. It didn't just suddenly happen in September when her parents lost their home. Deep down they probably believe they are doing good by the world. They call their place in Morocco the BE and DO sanctuary. I wonder if Kevin is aware of all this history?

The interesting thing is that if done right these free energy scams can pull in $100,000+ (my estimate is they they pulled in upwards of $200,000 over the past year). For all we know they could also be getting a kickback on the cores being sold.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 25, 2014, 03:19:03 PM
If they are getting a kickback then Torelco could well have stepped out of the role of an innocent contractor to one of a co-conspirator.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 25, 2014, 04:34:18 PM
If they are getting a kickback then Torelco could well have stepped out of the role of an innocent contractor to one of a co-conspirator.

Innocent contractor? I don't think so.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on November 26, 2014, 05:10:33 AM
A classic scam tactic is to surround yourself with you own kind.  Notice in all the shows she does it will be with one of her own.  You don't see people interviewed asking the real questions.  WITTS and all its expert testimonials case in point.

qeg - where open source resembles closed destination.

HG came out in full clown paint this time around on wordpress page.  Any paint left in the bucket?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 26, 2014, 05:19:38 AM
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what about our set up? A photon is a quantum of light?
 We've got 45 kw. of solar panels and believe me on a reasonable day they put out
 some juice. Might describe it more as a quantum energy harvester but I bet it could
 power a good few Robitalie resonators.
    Anyways to get a bit more out of the deal we have a couple of boreholes,water from
 one bore, goes through a heat recovery system and is returned to the other bore.
  At times an immersion heater is used to raise the temperature of the circulating
 water to sterilise it and prevent the risk of Leigonella.
  Now if someone could come up with a decent storage battery!!!
                 John.

When you open your evolved eyes and see the “photon” you see that you learned right?

What's the process of learning? Hmmm...money + patience + support + open mind + common sense + etc etc etc.

So you see the evidence right in your face right?

The “big bang theory” is a pool of exploding energy of life and energy!! ok.

So the next logical theory is another “big bang” I don't know what the nerds call it but is in the lines of the universe is no  longer expanding, it will contract and then explode again!

But you see how that is a self loop universe? = explode implode then explode then implode?

Now lets look at any galaxy that came from “the big bang”. How they collide with other galaxies and start new galaxies, rinse and repeat. ok.

Now lets take a look at the planets like the stars. Obviously the sun must have greater “gravity” pull than a cold planet. Hence the sun light and pluto at the very end full of ice.

There are many upon many of already made life self runners that one cannot believe in them since they are 100% facts....it is obvious that the SUN is a self runner!!! or are you pumping it trillions of gasoline in it's tank?

In conclusion, self runners do exist!!! it's only a matter of protesting and allowing the technology for the public so these money hungry psychos stop worshiping the dollar.

Lol...it's kind of stupid to believe that everything does not resonate....common smart people. That's why we have hertz in cycles.

Look at the bats that see with their eyes = radar = echo location = whatever you want to call it, it's resonating!!!

sooo, i'm sure you can make a “self runner” there are no ifs and whats about it. BUT, it takes money and it takes more than three people to spread it world wide.
How do you learn and evolve? From other mistakes plain and simple. I'm not going to insult the trying I'm just going to say thank you for your efforts and move on with the newly acquired knowledge.

Your mentality sounds lazy as like you want a 100% unit in front of your door or that you already know that everything that needs to be figured it has already been figured out, at the end of the day...you sound like a closed minded person...in my opinion.  8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 26, 2014, 07:29:39 AM
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There are many upon many of already made life self runners that one cannot believe in them since they are 100% facts....it is obvious that the SUN is a self runner!!! or are you pumping it trillions of gasoline in it's tank?

Any 15-year-old child can do 20 minutes of research and come back and explain to you that the sun is obviously not a "self runner."  The sun burns fuel and eventually it will run out of fuel.  100% facts in your face.  Any normal adult with a science background knows that the sun is not a self runner.

It's just like that fist new interview that Hopedestroying Girl did where she interviewed this artist guy about the QEG.  It was totally forced and fake and completely uncomfortable.  Naima was getting the poor guy to repeat all of the cliches that we started hearing nine months ago.  The Be-Do forum is a joke that has been dead and lifeless and idea-less for the past five months.

This whole farcical story is playing out just like many people predicted starting about nine months ago.  Poetic justice would be for the Hopedestroyer gang of Naima, Jamie, and Val to run out of money and end up as subsistence farm labourers toiling under the hot sun in Morocco.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on November 26, 2014, 08:27:08 AM



  Joel,
       I'll heed Carlin's advice! " Never argue with an idiot, they'll only bring you down to their
level-and beat you with experience".
                              John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on November 26, 2014, 12:29:26 PM
Any 15-year-old child can do 20 minutes of research and come back and explain to you that the sun is obviously not a "self runner."  The sun burns fuel and eventually it will run out of fuel.  100% facts in your face.  Any normal adult with a science background knows that the sun is not a self runner.

It's just like that fist new interview that Hopedestroying Girl did where she interviewed this artist guy about the QEG.  It was totally forced and fake and completely uncomfortable.  Naima was getting the poor guy to repeat all of the cliches that we started hearing nine months ago.  The Be-Do forum is a joke that has been dead and lifeless and idea-less for the past five months.

This whole farcical story is playing out just like many people predicted starting about nine months ago.  Poetic justice would be for the Hopedestroyer gang of Naima, Jamie, and Val to run out of money and end up as subsistence farm labourers toiling under the hot sun in Morocco.

Milehigh, I agree the Sun is not a "self runner". But here's a serious question. If we assume that the Universe is all that there is
and all that there will ever be, then. Is the Universe itself as a whole a "self runner" ?

I would have to say yes it is. Everything that exists is the Universe and it continues to run through cycles, apparently.

Another serious question. Do you think the Universe will eventually just stop all movement ?

I think that the Universe "if it is all that is" must either eventually completely stop or it must continue doing what it's doing.
My opinion is that it cycles from full expansion to full contraction then "bang" and expansion happens again, over and over eternally.

But who knows for sure and who could even profess to think they know for sure ?

What happens theoretically after the point of maximum Universal entropy ?

Might as well look at the big picture, rather than focus on one of the "big bangs".  ;D

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ekimtoor1 on November 26, 2014, 08:14:01 PM
Isn't the observable universe expanding?  And expanding faster the further away you look?  I haven't read any astrophysics recently that says the contraction idea is a valid one anymore.  Current theories seem to contradict that notion.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 26, 2014, 08:35:33 PM
If anyone is curious, after having done extensive research and meditation I have solved the age old mystery of what came first...the chicken or the egg.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: thngr on November 26, 2014, 10:52:22 PM
no hope for QEG. unless had a good look Ecklin generator (http://overunitybuilder.com/ecklinpatent.html (http://overunitybuilder.com/ecklinpatent.html)) but something also missing; remember once magnetic flux induced to a transformer core if you cut the electric current there will be flyback spike when magnetic flux collapsing, this is the only way lenz law do not apply! if you create electric current while inducing magnetic current there will be lenz effect but not from collapsing magnetic field.(inducing magnetic field by generator magnets cost no energy!) Look the gif animation below how can we improve this design?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Madeo on November 26, 2014, 11:23:10 PM
If anyone is curious, after having done extensive research and meditation I have solved the age old mystery of what came first...the chicken or the egg.

Regards...


In your statement,  you clearly mentioned chicken first then the egg.  I think the answer is obvious.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 26, 2014, 11:25:49 PM
no hope for QEG. unless had a good look Ecklin generator (http://overunitybuilder.com/ecklinpatent.html (http://overunitybuilder.com/ecklinpatent.html)) but something also missing; remember once magnetic flux induced to a transformer core if you cut the electric current there will be flyback spike when magnetic flux collapsing, this is the only way lenz law do not apply! if you create electric current while inducing magnetic current there will be lenz effect but not from collapsing magnetic field.(inducing magnetic field by generator magnets cost no energy!) Look the gif animation below how can we improve this design?
Flybacks all conform to Lenz' Law.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 26, 2014, 11:37:09 PM

In your statement,  you clearly mentioned chicken first then the egg.  I think the answer is obvious.



Clearly it was the rooster who came first.

I'm here all week...try the veal.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: thngr on November 26, 2014, 11:38:43 PM
Flybacks all conform to Lenz' Law.


yes ofcourse this is why we get flyback spikes but I meant it is free of cost, by no means of energy as to my design.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 27, 2014, 01:29:40 AM

yes ofcourse this is why we get flyback spikes but I meant it is free of cost, by no means of energy as to my design.
The energy in the flyback pulse all comes from the energy required to build-up the magnetic field in the first place. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 27, 2014, 02:31:20 AM
Farmhand:

I am just a layperson when it comes to cosmology and all that stuff.  If I recall correctly, at one point they were trying to figure out if there was enough gravitational attraction to stop all the galaxies from expanding and then they would all be expected to collapse back together in a "Big Crunch."  That would seem to suggest a recurring cycle every 'x' trillion years.

Then I think that those calculations got a surprise when they discovered that the expansion of the Universe is accelerating.

If it does continue to expand indefinitely then the expectation is that all of the stars will run out of gas and there will be no more hydrogen and helium around to form new stars.  "Cosmos" by Carl Sagan is a great TV series that you may have seen.

Anyway, it's an interesting dark and dreary potential future out there.  A cold dark dead Universe with no more light and no life, just a bunch of rocky husks at near-absolute-zero spreading out forever.

If it does all end in stone cold darkness, that would suggest that the Universe is a "one shot" affair.  So you may as well have your fun while you still can!

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 27, 2014, 04:25:12 AM
Of course it "could" be the case that the Universe is actually some kind of weird toroidal thing in multiple dimensions, so that what we see as an acceleration into the "void" is actually an infalling back into what will eventually become that superdense state, which might then "bounce" out into another Big Bang cycle after a bazillion  of your puny Earth years. Which is about when the FTW QEG might be expected to produce a single extra Joule over and above what it draws from the local grid.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on November 27, 2014, 04:25:13 AM
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/11/26/we-are-still-standing-big-breakthroughs-in-qeg-project/

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My question to you humanity is: How much do YOU want free energy?
LOL

Quote
In this interview, James Robitaille, the Senior Engineer of the QEG project, comes out into the public for the first time in many months...
Everyone drop your linen!  The unreachable, unattainable, rock star presidential king status James is about to allow an audience with his grace.

At least this time dolla dolla bill girl is keeping it consistent.  2 updates claiming 60 qeg builds.  Not the 300 teams, 200 teams, ever morphing team count, but a steady 60 builds.  I am impressed.  I'll be damned to have seen these 60 or 50 or 20 or even 10 builds in the information super highway free flow of exchange 24/7 never sleeping world wide web accessed by computer and a billion phones around the world.  Can we get at least 5 builds to come out the wood works?

Fundrazr, Paypal, and now Bitcoin.  The donation well must be running dry.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 27, 2014, 04:51:31 AM
After having taken the time to watch the first part of the latest 'Hope Girl' video posted on another social forum i belong to, i made the following post:

" I have been following this saga on overunity.com for months now and have to say these people made some bold statements that they are unable to back up and are stabbing in the dark in hopes that they will stumble on to a solution.
It seems they are loosely to Timothy Thrapp of WITTS a known scam artist…who charges an exorbitant amount (donation) for a phone call in which he reveals nothing useful.
There is a good reason the comments on the linked youtube video have been turned off…comments more critical than this one would discourage more people from making donations.
Much money has been lost on this money pit already.
A dead give away for me was that very expensive underunity Bedini replication shown in the lab."


I had made an earlier post a few months ago expressing similar suspicions...even though I did not share those suspicions here.

Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 27, 2014, 04:51:53 AM
"We are finally getting some of the results we’ve been looking for!"

ORLY? Does she mean the "results" that she claimed already to have gotten, over a year ago, when she started this farce? I can't wait to watch the video.

By the way, they don't look too healthy in that photo, do they? I'm worried about poor Naima, she sure doesn't look like the "mediterranean" diet is working for her.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on November 27, 2014, 05:05:25 AM
Sorry for remaining somewhat off topic, but if we apply known logic to the acceleration of the Universal expansion thing. Then I
would use the analogy of a projectile fired from a rifle, when the bullet is first fired it takes time for the projectile to attain
maximum velocity. The projectile does not reach maximum velocity instantly it takes time and distance before it attains maximum
velocity, before slowing again
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Same would be true for an exploding Universe I guess. At the point of "Bang" the ejected "stuff" would take time to get to
maximum velocity before it began to slow down again, we may be seeing the acceleration period is all, no doubt it will begin to
slow down expansion some time and even stop. Weather or not it contracts back in again and repeats is not my call or concern.

I do not believe it would be possible for a "one shot Universe to exist or begin in the first place", so I think the calculations
carried out here on this spec by "meat bags" and their machines does not take everything into consideration, and without taking
everything into consideration for the calculations, known-realized factors or unknown and unrealized factors makes no difference.

How would a one shot Universe begin ? where would the "stuff" come from to go bang in the first place ?

A one shot deal on the Universe makes no sense. What compresses it to begin with ?

Short answer for me is that it must be an eternal cycle. And a lot of energy is involved.

If it is a one shot deal then an explanation for the beginning point and where the original energy and "stuff" came from would be
a doozy. incomprehensible by us mere humans. hehehhehe

It may well be that Over Unity machines won't work until the universe begins to contract again.  :-\
Then well need a lot of load dumps. I hope it happens next year.  ;)

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Tinsels theory may well be close to the mark.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on November 27, 2014, 05:28:54 AM
I could only bear to watch part of those crooks video, but go to 0:56:00 in the video and listen till "Witts" is mentioned, it's hilarious.

James states they are only first seeing the voltage surges that was described to them by Witts, so that is an admission that they
have nothing as yet and never did. An admission to fraud, they must have screws loose. Someone download that video soon, I am unable.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 27, 2014, 05:50:18 AM
I could only bear to watch part of those crooks video, but go to 0:56:00 in the video and listen till "Witts" is mentioned, it's hilarious.

James states they are only first seeing the voltage surges that was described to them by Witts, so that is an admission that they
have nothing as yet and never did. An admission to fraud, they must have screws loose. Someone download that video soon, I am unable.

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Like I said earlier, it was obvious to me that the QEG folks had been Thrapped.  Of course, they also learned of the money making scheme from them and took it to another level.

Can you or someone post a link to this latest video?  I really don't know why I want to see it...curiosity I suppose.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 27, 2014, 05:56:25 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF_XpCapmn0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF_XpCapmn0)

I'm downloading it using Download Helper for FF. And I mistakenly clicked twice so I'm getting two copies, and I cannot find out how to cancel a Download Helper DL. I've even tried disabling the addon and restarting FF, and it immediately resumes downloading from the beginning even when "disabled", and it even overwrites the previously downloaded file and starts that one over from the beginning too, whether or not I'm actually on the video page. I guess it will keep doing that until it has finished both copies. I hope it stops then. Very frustrating not to be able to cancel a download; actually a major fail on the part of the add-on. I may have to try to remove it altogether if it keeps up this crap.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 27, 2014, 06:21:40 AM
TK:

As you probably know, there is an ongoing cat and mouse game between YouTube and third-party programs that allow you to download clips.  I have used the "DownloadHelper" FireFox extension in the past but it seems more recently it has been having more and more problems with YouTube.

Another option is this:  http://www.videograbber.net/ (http://www.videograbber.net/)

It is supposed to get around YouTube protections.  It's a web site where you just copy/paste your URL.   Even this system is having problems, but I downloaded the new FTW clip in about 10 minutes.  You have the option to cancel the download.  Since it's just a web site, I assume it will also work on your Linux box.  Note it is all Java-based so you need your Java and Java scripts enabled.  I actually have no Java at all on my main FireFox browser and use a different browser when I need Java.  I am running Windows 7.

I am making a few notes on the clip, will post later.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 27, 2014, 06:29:11 AM
Also, remember our QEG South Africa builder Graham Abbott.  He posted his "resonance" clip a month ago and never responded to anty comments on his clip.

So I posted this:  "So it's a month later now Graham, do you have any news?  You are fully aware that lots and lots of money has been spent by individuals and "donated" to the Fix the World group.

Have you achieved over unity, are you still working on it, or have you simply given up?  I submit to you that considering all of the Internet exposure, and money and time spent, that you have a responsibility to let the world know what has happened with your QEG project."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 27, 2014, 06:31:13 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF_XpCapmn0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LF_XpCapmn0)

I'm downloading it using Download Helper for FF. And I mistakenly clicked twice so I'm getting two copies, and I cannot find out how to cancel a Download Helper DL. I've even tried disabling the addon and restarting FF, and it immediately resumes downloading from the beginning even when "disabled", and it even overwrites the previously downloaded file and starts that one over from the beginning too, whether or not I'm actually on the video page. I guess it will keep doing that until it has finished both copies. I hope it stops then. Very frustrating not to be able to cancel a download; actually a major fail on the part of the add-on. I may have to try to remove it altogether if it keeps up this crap.

Thanks for the link.  Is it me or has Hope Girl packed on a few pounds?  I don't mean this to be insulting but, it is either the camera lens or she has been enjoying some rich foods since the last one I saw her in.

Probably too late now but try disabling the addon, and before restarting FF run Ccleaner (crap cleaner) or just dump your internet cache, then restart FF.  I ran into a similar situation with another addon and this worked for me.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 27, 2014, 06:50:23 AM
Well, here are some cringe-worthy quotes from the Tesla Energy Solutions guy at the beginning of the clip:

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When he is showing Jamie a wireless transfer system that is lighting a remote light bulb:
"We're transferring voltage without current."

When he shows Jamie their Bedini 10-coiler:
"As they (magnets) go around, they build a slight charge of power inside the coil."
"Who is going to 'every 3000 watts of power they use' swap batteries?"

When discussing the QEG and the fact that he wrapped some of the coils in tape:
"But that's what I thought is we're doing static, and it's not, it can't be static. Static electricity could attribute to it, but there's no way to get that much power out of static."
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All this does is confirm that the guy from Tesla Energy Solutions that is on camera in the beginning of the clip doesn't have the slightest idea of what he is doing.  He is just winging it and pretending that he knows something.  I knew this already but it doesn't hurt to point it out again.

Cringe and bear it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on November 27, 2014, 07:40:46 AM
I'll try to remember the method of grabbing the watched video from the temp files, when we watch a video on you tube at least with
widoze xp the file is already downloaded and held in temp internet files I think, all thats required then is to identify the file and
change the file extension to .flv. From memory I think if the temp files are cleared beforehand it is easy to identify the file of interest.

Been so long since I did it the details are sketchy in my head. That does require watching the entire video though. :-\

A similar method may work with Linux. I'm still new to Linux so not sur about that.

But if the video is watched on a computer the file should be there in temp files somewhere.

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EDIT I remember i was using Microhard internet explorer but now I use firefox even when booted in windows, I run Linux Mint and Windoze xp in a dual boot on my old single core AMD lappy. desktop is still waiting for me to repair it.  :( Prolly just remove the HDD and throw the rest and build a new one. When the desktop comp blew it actually went bang like a starters pistol.  ;D
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 27, 2014, 09:05:58 AM
Farmhand:

It sounds like a capacitor blew up in your desktop's power supply.  That's a very common thing.  You are probably aware that power supplies can range from very cheap ($20 USD) to very expensive ($350 USD).  I would recommend that you try replacing the power supply with a relatively cheap one.  If you are a bit of a nerd you might already have one lying around.

All:

Okay I got through the clip.  They talk about a "big announcement" but there is none.  Jamie admits that he is not an engineer.  He is working in parallel with Larry of Tesla Energy Solutions.  I think it's Larry in the beginning of the clip that I quote in my earlier posting.  Larry and Jamie have separate and nearly identical setups.  The "announcement" is that they are focusing on the "two other resonances" to "increase the voltage output."  They are the mechanical resonance of the core, and the separate external resonator with the spark gap.  In other words, the same old stuff that we have been aware of from the beginning.  Naturally, no real measurements of the output power have been made with the additional sources of resonance.  It's just awful.

For the resonance of the core, the alleged "piezo effect" - that will not magically produce extra output power, period.  But, no measurements yet!

For the external coil plus spark gap, Jamie is encouraged because he is seeing "bigger voltage spikes."  Big deal, and no measurements yet!

Then, we enter into the realm of the Three Stooges.  Larry has a hunch that a "Brooks coil" configuration for the external coil will be the "key" so they are going to try that.  Jamie seems okay with that approach.  Jamie is building his Brooks coil and presumably Larry is doing the same thing.

Here is the problem:  A "Brooks coil" configuration is meaningless, absolutely meaningless relative to what they are doing.  All that a Brooks coil is is the configuration that gives you the most inductance for a given amount of wire.  You could have a non-Brooks coil, a "regular coil" and just add a few more turns of wire to give you the same inductance as the Brooks coil configuration.  Hence, making a Brooks coil is meaningless.

I am pretty sure that Jamie mentioned that this initiative came from Larry.  I can read between the lines here with quite a bit of confidence.  Larry is just chasing after the same pipe dreams that you see from the amateur experimenters on the free energy forums that are beginners and barely know what they are doing.  They will often say, "try a Brooks coil configuration" as if it actually means something.  Larry is doing he same thing for the same reason; he barely knows what he is doing.  He blindly believes that the "maximum inductance must be good" and therefore he wants to try out a Brooks coil configuration.  This is the Two Stooges instead of the Three Stooges.

If I was still working on a bench and Larry was the new hire as a support technician, Larry would not last more than an hour before he would be sent packing.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 27, 2014, 09:15:45 AM
Finally, out of frustration, I am going to post myself, dammit.  This was posted by "Shean" on Be-Do, sorry I forget his name on this forum.  Thank you for concatenating all of my YouTube postings and posting them on the Be-Do fourm.

This is the type of discussion between Jamie and Larry that should be happening:  (However based on what I have seen they are not capable of doing what I am suggesting below.)

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Why do the light bulbs brighten when the spark gaps engages?   Here is a possible explanation:

 For starters, it doesn't matter if you have increasing flux increasing a coil voltage output, or decreasing flux increasing a coil voltage output.  The only thing that counts is the rate of change of the flux with respect to time.  i.e.; shorting the primary coil from the spark gap event rapidly decreases the magnetic energy in the core and other "agents" (coils) want to parasitically "take advantage" of that event.  So the basic premise is that the spark gap engages and creates a very low resistance quasi short circuit across the primary.  That creates a rapid decrease in the flux through the core.  Any other coils wrapped around the core will also see that flux change and hence produce an increased voltage output.  So it's almost like the secondary coil is "hitching a ride" on the spark gap event.

 In more basic technical terms, lets say you have a core with AC flux going through it provided by a separate drive coil and three pick-up coils wrapped around the core, L1, L2, and L3.  Each one of those coils has a load resistance R1, R2, and R3.   So the question is where does the AC power go?  Each coil + load resistor coil will have an associated AC impedance.  The lowest AC impedance will dissipate more power than the highest AC impedance.  The source power is split or cut into three loads, like three pie slices.  The same thing will apply to the QEG between the spark gap load and associated primary coils and the light bulb load and associated secondary coils.

 Going back to the QEG and the Montreal group, the spark gap event is simply an AC transient event that initiates the dissipation of the energy in the core.  The energy in the core is split into two pie slices, one slice goes to the spark gap event, the other slice goes to the light bulb load.

 So you can see the analysis "forgets" about various external events in a sense.  The only thing that you need to know is the spark gap event starts to rapidly suck the magnetic energy out of the core and the secondary coils that drive the light bulb load "parasitically" take advantage of that fact and grab their own slice of the available energy.

 Now of course you have the rotating QEG rotor redirecting the flux in the core, bla, bla, bla.  So the actual timing analysis could be done to confirm the "top level" explanation for what is happening to cause the light bulbs to momentarily increase in brightness.


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 Hi Kevin,   Permit me to give you and your engineering team some very basic and sound advice.
 The fist thing you need is a comprehensive timing diagram of your QEG when it is in resonance and powering the light bulb load.  So you start constructing a diagram where you have the voltage waveform across the primary.  I am assuming that there is a current sensing resistor in the primary circuit also, so you plot the primary current under the voltage waveform.  Even if there isn't a current sensing resistor in the circuit, the direct voltage measurement across the capacitor bank can be used to derive the current waveform in the primary circuit.  Then you add the voltage and current waveforms across the secondary - the light bulb load.  You are just starting to build up a comprehensive timing diagram that describes the behaviour of the QEG at resonance.
 Where is the rotor when all this is happening?  More specifically, what is the angle of the rotor relative to the aforementioned waveforms?  This is absolutely critical information.  It has to be added to the timing diagram.  The way you do that is either by adding some kind of optical trigger to the rotor, or by adding a tiny tiny little magnet to the rotor with Karzy Glue or something.  Then you put a small sensor coil that registers the passing of the tiny magnet.  Either way, you create a "tick" signal once per revolution.  Voila, based on that tick signal you can then know the precise angle of your flux-redirecting rotor relative to the rest of the waveforms.  Now you can plot the rotor angle on your timing diagram.  It looks like a sawtooth waveform.

 Okay, so now you have a timing diagram that shows rotor angle, primary voltage and current, and secondary voltage and current.   What else do you need?

 When it comes to a timing diagram describing the operation of an electronic circuit, the more information the merrier.

 So, now that you know the precise rotor angle as the QEG operates, you now know how much the rotor is aligned with the two pairs of "poles" that form the core.  These poles are critical because they determine the coupling and the magnetic flux redirection between the spinning rotor and the and the main QEG toroid.  So you plot the "A" and "B" pole "coupling factor" in the timing diagram.  There is no scope waveform for this.  You just do it by looking at the physical build of the QEG and creating the "rotor to pole coupling factor" waveform.  Part of the rotation cycle couples the rotor to the "A" pair of poles, and part of the rotation cycle couples the rotor to the "B" pair of poles.

 Okay, now that you have done that, you need to plot the actual flux through the four distinct quadrants of the core and put that in proper alignment with all of the other waveforms on your timing diagram.  Note ALL of this can be done with a pencil and paper on simple graph paper.  You can then photograph it and share it publicly with everyone involved in this "open source" project.  Alternatively, you use some kind of software waveform editing program or do it in some other shareable digital format.

 Okay back to the flux waveforms.  There are four quadrants to the QEG core, two with primary coils, and two with secondary coils.  For each quadrant you simply wrap say five turns of wire around the core.  Those are your four "flux sensor coils."  You record the waveforms for each of those flux sensor coils and you add them to your timing diagram.  Everything always has to be lined up in time.  That means whenever you record a waveform, you always have a "reference waveform" on a scope channel.  For example, you could always use your primary voltage waveform as the reference waveform.

 You see what we are doing here?  This is like mixing a 16-track song in a recording studio.   We are laying down tracks.  Once all of the tracks are laid down then you get the "Big Picture" and you can see the innards of how the QEG actually works.

 Okay, now back to the issue of the flux waveforms.  This is probably the most critical component for understanding what the QEG is doing.  I mentioned that you record the four waveforms from the voltage sensor coils, one per quadrant of the QEG core.  The voltage waveforms from the four sensor coils are NOT the flux waveforms.  They are the "first derivative with respect to time" of the flux in the core.  That means that you have to integrate on those waveforms to see the flux waveform.  One more time, you don't have to go high tech for this.  Any engineer should be able to do an "eyeball integration" on those waveforms on a piece of graph paper, as an example.  You don't need precision on the absolute magnitude of the flux.  As long as the four flux waveforms are reasonably okay with respect to the "eyeball integration"  (you could also do it digitally if you wanted to) then you should be fine.

 Now look where we are:  You know the position of the rotor, you know how much the rotor is coupling with the "A" and "B" pole sets, you know approximately how much magnetic flux is flowing through each of the four quadrants of the QEG core, you know the DIRECTION of the four fluxes, and you know the voltages and currents in the primary and secondary circuits.  This is all when the QEG is in resonance and driving the light bulb load.  At this point nothing is stopping you from "adding more tracks" to the timing diagram showing the actual power flows, or you could add a waveform that shows you the amount of energy in the capacitor bank, as an example.  Well, if you look at the energy in the capacitor bank decreasing, that means that power is flowing out of the capacitor bank.  So you could make a waveform for the "power flow in and out of the capacitor bank" if you wanted to.   Naturally, you can apply your knowledge and make other power flow waveforms if you wanted to.

 So what about the rotor itself?  Well, you know the angle of the rotor at any point in time.  You know how much the rotor is overlapping with the "A" and "B" pole sets at any point in time.  You also know the approximate amount of flux, and the direction of the flux, for each of the four quadrants of the QEG core at any point in time.   You also know that the primary function of the rotor is to redirect the flux in the QEG core.  So you have enough information to at least take a crack at determining what the flux flow is through the spinning rotor itself.  You can't directly measure it, but you know what angle it is at at any given point in time and you know what's happening with flux all around the spinning rotor.  With some staring at the waveforms and some thinking, you should be able to make a decent deduction of the flux flow and flux direction in the rotor itself.

 If you do all of that, and have a multi-track timing diagram for the QEG in resonance driving the light bulb load, then you are basically able to see how the thing operates,  You now have a "naked" QEG with all of the "hidden variables" exposed.

 Now let's go back to the issue of the light bulbs getting brighter when the spark gap engages.  Obviously, you now have a reference to work from.   You can look at certain waveforms when the spark gap engages by setting up a trigger on your digital scope.   Exactly why the light bulbs get brighter will be very obvious now that you actually understand what the QEG is doing at resonance.  The solution to what happens will "fall out" of the waveforms that you record from the spark gap event.  For example, I said that the magnetic flux in the core may drop sharply when the spark gap engages.  The two flux sensor coils that are wrapped around the two quadrants of the QEG core that drive the secondary windings will show you that happening, if my assumption is correct.  What about the flux in the QEG core quadrants that correspond to the primary coils.  You want to look at those also to see what is happening there when the spark gap engages.

 One final comment, is that this whole process of generating a "multi-track" timing diagram for your QEG requires that you have a 100% accurate schematic of your setup.  The timing diagram is all relative to the schematic diagram.  An engineer can look at the timing diagram and the schematic and understand EXACTLY what is going on under the hood of the QEG.

 What about the next step beyond, the search for over unity?  Well, as you play with the QEG and it's supposed to show you over unity, then it MUST show you increasing amounts of magnetic flux in the quadrants of the core that are responsible for driving the light bulb load.  You have to observe this, there is no magic here.  A 10-kilowatt load MUST BE driven by MASSIVE amounts of changing magnetic flux in the two quadrants of the core that are used to drive the secondary.  There is no escaping this.
 [The following comments are a hypothetical to make you guys think:] Then you can say to yourself:  Now we understand the QEG timing diagram, we know that flux that goes to the secondary parts of the QEG core come from the primary parts of the QEG core assisted by the rotating rotor.  Therefore we also must gave massive amounts of changing flux in the primary, etc, etc.

 Finally, Kevin, let's suppose the engineering team does a great timing diagram.  Before they start to hunt for over unity, they have to understand the power flows when at resonance and driving the light bulb load.  How can you expect to get to over unity if you don't even understand how the power works at "unity" when you are in resonance driving the light bulb load?  Also, where is a all the "missing" power going when driving the light bulb load.  One more time, the timing diagram is the key to understanding all of this.  You MUST measure the resistances of all of the coils in the QEG.  Then, you can plot the I-squared-R resistive losses on the timing diagram.  You are going to be surprised, there are going to be certain ranges of angle in the 360 degree rotation of the rotor where the coils have very high currents flowing through them and that should be the main cause of your 70% loss to waste heat as the QEG drives the light bulbs.  You know the rotor is supplying rotational mechanical energy to the QEG and it is being converted into electrical energy.  Look at the timing diagram carefully, can you see at what angles of rotation of the rotor where it appears that you are seeing an injection of electrical energy into the system?  You are looking for the "transformer process" where mechanical energy is transformed into electrical energy.  Where, when, and how is this transformer process taking place?  You MUST understand the energy dynamics of the QEG at resonance driving the light bulb load before you take any steps to hunt for over unity.  Your setup might be getting 500 watts of mechanical power that is being pumped into the rotor.  Only 200 watts might be going to the light bulb load.  Analysis of the timing diagram and careful supplementary investigations with your scope and applying your engineering knowledge should allow you to account for the mechanism that converts mechanical energy into electrical energy to the load, and where all the supplied mechanical energy becomes electrical energy that becomes waste heat energy.  All of this information is in the timing diagram.  You just have to apply yourselves to find it.   
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 27, 2014, 09:56:22 AM
It's a Cargo Cult of pseudoscience, and Jamie is John Frum.

I had to stop, from laughing so much,  when they lit up the little light bulb with the invisible wires, claiming "transferring voltage without current". Neither one of them actually understands how and why the light bulb lights up from their "Tesla hairpin" setup. And it's a miracle they haven't electrocuted themselves or the cat with the lack of respect they show for high voltage apparatus. I survived my HV accident, barely, but one do-over is all I get. Will they?

I didn't get as far as the Brooks coil stuff. Have they abandoned the teachings of their hero Nikola Tesla, then?

Of course they didn't show any measurements. Did you really think they would? Measurements prove the futility of their cargo cult rituals and posturings. I am so happy that they choose to publish silly videos like this because with every one they do, more and more of their fanbase will come to realize that these people have no clue, that they lied blatantly over and over about having something that worked, and that they will never attain anything like what they promised, and _still_  claim and promise, in the plans and instructions and FAQs and etc.

MH,  I have the feeling that those folks wouldn't even have made it as far as your workbench, they'd fail the initial interview. "RMS? Yeah, I loved their music, too bad the drummer died."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on November 27, 2014, 10:02:26 AM



  Couldn't watch the video for long it was so painful!
  Decided to sell my Shopvac, it's only gathering dust.
                  John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 27, 2014, 11:56:39 AM
It's a Cargo Cult of pseudoscience, and Jamie is John Frum.

I had to stop, from laughing so much,  when they lit up the little light bulb with the invisible wires, claiming "transferring voltage without current". Neither one of them actually understands how and why the light bulb lights up from their "Tesla hairpin" setup. And it's a miracle they haven't electrocuted themselves or the cat with the lack of respect they show for high voltage apparatus. I survived my HV accident, barely, but one do-over is all I get. Will they?

I didn't get as far as the Brooks coil stuff. Have they abandoned the teachings of their hero Nikola Tesla, then?

Of course they didn't show any measurements. Did you really think they would? Measurements prove the futility of their cargo cult rituals and posturings. I am so happy that they choose to publish silly videos like this because with every one they do, more and more of their fanbase will come to realize that these people have no clue, that they lied blatantly over and over about having something that worked, and that they will never attain anything like what they promised, and _still_  claim and promise, in the plans and instructions and FAQs and etc.

MH,  I have the feeling that those folks wouldn't even have made it as far as your workbench, they'd fail the initial interview. "RMS? Yeah, I loved their music, too bad the drummer died."
When did the drummer of RMS die?  I didn't even know that he was sick.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on November 27, 2014, 12:53:55 PM


  Couldn't watch the video for long it was so painful!
  Decided to sell my Shopvac, it's only gathering dust.
                  John.

minnie, you made me laugh, that's funny.  ;D

True about the video I scanned to the parts with devices shown, but I caught him contradict himself (caught himself in a lie) at least once. I only watched about 5 or so minutes of it.

Transmitting voltage but no current, hilarious. One of the first things experimenters need to at least be aware of is displacement
currents and stray currents. An improperly operated Hairpin can be a death trap as well. Maybe next week they'll be dead or maimed and all will go silent from them.

I watched a video of a guy doing the barbosa and leal  experiment squatting wobbly over a grid connected transformer with
exposed connections and found it difficult to watch.

It's lightning season here so I took my Earth ground wire out and disconnected it from the stake just in case there is a nearby
strike. If lightning strikes the ground or a tree near my good stake for experiments with the wire from the stake to inside I could
get lit up, a bit.

Hopegirl says weekly updates, can't wait.
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 28, 2014, 05:37:11 AM
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Any 15-year-old child can do 20 minutes of research and come back and explain to you that the sun is obviously not a "self runner."  The sun burns fuel and eventually it will run out of fuel.  100% facts in your face.  Any normal adult with a science background knows that the sun is not a self runner.

YES! Of course but any intelligent person will measure the time that it takes for it to “burn out!”?

So you are telling me just because it will stop burning is has not been self running for millions of years?

WUT?

Then what is a self runner? Lol....one that never dies for infinity?

Your logic does not add up = the sun will run out of full in millions of years so the millions of years running by it's self does not count since it will burn out eventually....hmmm...wut? IOW, it has been running for millions of years but it is not a self runner because it will burn out! lol


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It's just like that fist new interview that Hopedestroying Girl did where she interviewed this artist guy about the QEG.  It was totally forced and fake and completely uncomfortable.  Naima was getting the poor guy to repeat all of the cliches that we started hearing nine months ago.  The Be-Do forum is a joke that has been dead and lifeless and idea-less for the past five months.

I think the hopegirl is just like a girlfriend, good intentions but hard to understand as a male, that is all. Tell me when has a nerd scientists has figured out the female mind? NEVER! So you claiming to understand her mentality, you fail. Her intentions are way better than angelina jolies..lol

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This whole farcical story is playing out just like many people predicted starting about nine months ago.  Poetic justice would be for the Hopedestroyer gang of Naima, Jamie, and Val to run out of money and end up as subsistence farm labourers toiling under the hot sun in Morocco.

It may fade out but the ripples are already spreading....hence you are here speaking about her efforts. Like I said, people learn from each others mistakes and it is wiser to learn from them instead of poking fun of them!!!

How are you doing in your comfort zone?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 28, 2014, 05:45:38 AM
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So you are telling me just because it will stop burning is has not been self running for millions of years?

Yes.

The QEG is dead and will be forgotten.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 28, 2014, 05:53:36 AM
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 I'll heed Carlin's advice! " Never argue with an idiot, they'll only bring you down to their
level-and beat you with experience".

I'm not arguing lol....if I was arguing I would insult your incompetence. I'm just putting forth what everyone thinks about.

Everyone shines at one thing and doesn't at another...those are the average joes...those that above average are the ones that live life easier regarding monetary.  They stop being blinded by money....since making money is easy!!!

Can you imagine a world where you don't worry about money? Lol, pretty simple answer. Use your brain to imagine a world where everyone is intelligent?

Everyone is a doctor?

Everyone is a mechanic?

Everyone is an electrician?

Everyone is a plumber?

Everyone is an investor?

Everyone knows how to say good jokes?

Use your brain and picture it!!!!

then picture why everyone gets scammed by everyone? The influence is ONLY money! People kill for $30 dollars = true facts. They call it “hustings”. The mind of a psychotic money starved individual = no intelligence whatsoever but only knowing how to take a vantage of people.

BTW, did you feed the pigs yet in the farm? You need to get them nice and fat to eat all that blubber.

Your mind is not thinking of every angle to each idea. I already meantime that everything is geometrical....TRUTH is 3D, your truth is just 2 dimensional.

When it comes down to name calling as an “idiot” you just lowered yourself as one. :P = your mind has no capacity to look at things from every angle, it has reached it's capacity! Plain and simple...have a good day... lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 28, 2014, 06:08:05 AM
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Yes.

The QEG is dead and will be forgotten.

if it has not been forgotten since Nicola Tesla, what makes you think it will in 10 more years?

Your judgmental mind is showing along with your ignorance.

First you FAIL to understand FREEE energy, then you FAIL to understand the difference between good intentions VS bad. Then you admitted yourself that you don't even understand the technology WUT, you said that you don't understand the technology but YET you are here saying that it is DEAD! Lol

How can that be....a fake doctor being a judge in a hospital! Lol

I would agree if logic made sense but nothing you say is pleasing to common sense.

Explain to me further why the SUN is not a self runner? You see, if you say thing that are common knowledge, why take you seriously in other things?

I'm still bailed by it....”the sun is NOT a self runner because it will stop running” o.0

that's like saying, the “big bang” is not running right now because it will implode...

fuken of-course the sun will stop burning but not after millions/billions of years....that's pretty obvious....

What's your definition of a self runner?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 28, 2014, 06:17:46 AM
if it has not been forgotten since Nicola Tesla, what makes you think it will in 10 more years?

Your judgmental mind is showing along with your ignorance.

First you FAIL to understand FREEE energy, then you FAIL to understand the difference between good intentions VS bad. Then you admitted yourself that you don't even understand the technology WUT, you said that you don't understand the technology but YET you are here saying that it is DEAD! Lol

How can that be....a fake doctor being a judge in a hospital! Lol

I would agree if logic made sense but nothing you say is pleasing to common sense.

Explain to me further why the SUN is not a self runner? You see, if you say thing that are common knowledge, why take you seriously in other things?

I'm still bailed by it....”the sun is NOT a self runner because it will stop running” o.0

that's like saying, the “big bang” is not running right now because it will implode...

fuken of-course the sun will stop burning but not after millions/billions of years....that's pretty obvious....

Something with a little bit of fuel will burn for a little while....something with a shitload of fuel will burn for millions of years.  The sun has a shitload of fuel.  That Sir, is NOT self-running.  Just burning up the fuel it has.  Please learn even some basic physics before posting.  You are typing to folks that know better.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 28, 2014, 06:34:04 AM
There is a huge difference between 'self runner' and 'perpetual motion'.

It would sure help if the grounds of this debate were more clearly defined.

Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 28, 2014, 06:56:39 AM
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Something with a little bit of fuel will burn for a little while....something with a shitload of fuel will burn for millions of years.  The sun has a shitload of fuel.  That Sir, is NOT self-running.  Just burning up the fuel it has.  Please learn even some basic physics before posting.  You are typing to folks that know better.

LOL, so you see when it has SHITLOAD of energy it has been self running until it needs “REFULING”..

That means that it is running by “itself” until it refuels. When you put in 100 dollars worth of gas in your truck, it is self running until it needs more fuel? The suns' fuel means that there is a shitload of it for FREEE since the same fuel fuels billions of stars in the galaxy?

At least we agree that there is FREEE fuel fueling the sun! And billions of other SUNs since the fuel is the same fuel.

So then we can ask ourselves, what is a “self runner” if everything needs fuel....we can gather with our intelligent brains that ALL self runners, are running from the FREEE fuel.

It's pretty elementary when you fill up your gas tank in your car.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 28, 2014, 07:14:07 AM
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There is a huge difference between 'self runner' and 'perpetual motion'.

What is a “self runner” in your mind?

Define a “self runner”?

Define "perpetual motion'?

Define the difference of both?  ::)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 28, 2014, 07:59:26 AM
What is a “self runner” in your mind?

Define a “self runner”?

Define "perpetual motion'?

Define the difference of both?  ::)



Unless those issues are clearly defined by the debators, there is no debate here...perhaps some baiting, but nothing more...


Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on November 28, 2014, 09:15:16 AM



   Joel,
         you win!!!
                       John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on November 28, 2014, 12:01:31 PM
Comments open on the last  Robitaille show, but on youtube:

"
The Peoples Free Energy Show Episode 3 James Robitaille QEG Breakthrough
lisamharrison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dRjimuIGkAM
"
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on November 28, 2014, 02:28:03 PM
Comments open on the last  Robitaille show, but on youtube:

"
The Peoples Free Energy Show Episode 3 James Robitaille QEG Breakthrough
lisamharrison
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dRjimuIGkAM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=dRjimuIGkAM)
"


My response
http://revolution-green.com/qegdefending-indefensible/#comment-1716393686

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 28, 2014, 03:25:06 PM
Joel:

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LOL, so you see when it has SHITLOAD of energy it has been self running until it needs “REFULING”..

That means that it is running by “itself” until it refuels.

That is complete and total nonsensical idiocy.  It's moronic and totally stupid to pretend that you can redefine the meaning of words to advance your 'argument.'

If 6 was 9, you don't mind?
You have your mind tied to your behind.

I dedicate this children's song to you:

When I See An Elephant Fly

Did you ever see an elephant fly?
Well I seen a horse fly
I seen a dragon fly
I seen a house fly

I seen all that too
I seen a peanut stand
And heard a rubber band
I seen a needle that winked its eye

But I've been, done, seen about everything
When I see a elephant fly
What'd you say boy?
I said when I see a elephant fly

I seen a front porch swing
Heard a diamond ring
I seen a polka dot railroad tie

But I've been, done, seen about everything
When I see a elephant fly


When pink elephants with purple polka dots are flying all around the sky delivering FedEx packages - that's when I will believe that the QEG is more than an absolutely useless hunk of metal and wire.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 28, 2014, 07:53:29 PM

My response
http://revolution-green.com/qegdefending-indefensible/#comment-1716393686 (http://revolution-green.com/qegdefending-indefensible/#comment-1716393686)

And my  response, also posted on R-G:

James Robitaille is not an engineer of any kind, as he admits himself in the latest "breakthrough" video which contains not a single bit of "breakthrough" information, not a single measurement of QEG performance, nothing but more self-promotion and off-topic nonsense from someone else trying to profit from the QEG scam by selling parts at overinflated prices. Calling James Robitaille an "electronics engineer" is simply Yet Another Lie emitted by Naima Feagin, along with the lies, starting in September of 2013, that they had a working prototype, continuing through April 2014 when Valerie Robitaille, posting as "Naicheval Robitai" claimed that they had a 10kW working prototype, and continuing on to the UK build that was "hours away from self running" in June or July of 2014. Even today one may read the FAQs on the be-do forum website that blatantly lie about the QEG: all you have to do is run it up to resonance and it will run itself, and can even be started with a crank mechanism. Present tense, no doubt about it: all lies. No QEG anywhere has ever run itself, none has even ever "run" at all since they have always been driven by a big electric motor connected to the local mains supply. And wouldn't you just love to see Naima Feagin starting one with a crank mechanism! Lord knows she needs the exercise but that is truly a ridiculous picture. No mention is made of the utterly failed Morocco QEG build that is now collecting dust in some expensive villa somewhere, instead of powering anything as they promised it would be nearly a year ago. No QEG team anywhere has reported any results after attaining "resonance"... it is as though they have dropped off the map after that. They are clearly too embarrassed to report their failures to achieve anything even coming close to the efficiency that one may get from commercial off the shelf gensets. And the goalposts keep moving. We remember the careful calculations that resulted in the claim that the "exciter coil" and its antenna system had to be tuned to 1.3 MHz... right in the middle of the AM Standard Broadcast band, and within +/- 20 kHz of eleven commercial radio stations broadcasting upwards of 50kW radiated power in Pennsylvania alone. When Yours Truly pointed out this simple fact, and that Jamie's device was actually a broadband _noise transmitter_ centered on this frequency... suddenly the "correct" exciter frequency became 7 MHz with no explanation and no calculations from the "electronics engineer" who is no such thing, James Robitaille. We remember the claim that the things would "resonate" at 400 Hz, that special inverters were needed, and so on, but EVERY screenshot that has ever been posted of actual measurements show resonant frequencies well under 400 Hz, usually between 90 and 150 Hz. And of course inverters or power supplies that work on 400 Hz are readily available on the commercial market since 400 Hz is commonly used, to save weight in the magnetics, in aircraft and military applications.
The whole story of the FTW QEG is based on these utter lies emitted by the principals of the fraud. They have been soliciting donations based on these lies for well over a year now, and Naima Feagin has actually fled the USA to live in Morocco (again with money obtained by lying) in order to avoid legal repercussions, since Morocco has no extradition treaty with the USA. This FTW fraud is a continuation, by some of the same people, of the criminal OPPT organization, whose principal member, Heather Tucci-Jarraf, is still in Morocco, still avoiding legal problems in the USA. The OPPT carried on a similar fundraising campaign across the USA involving "water powered" vehicles that never appeared, but they had a wonderful time touring the USA on donated funds while doing it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 28, 2014, 08:50:16 PM
Good treatise TK.  I think that it's fair to assume that the overall message has percolated down to even the most rabid believers in the QEG.  Some of them must be having real doubts.  Some of them must have a sinking feeling that they are just mindless drones "cheering" the endless stories of the "breakthroughs" of the "leaders" that are in reality just an ongoing string of failures.

I just wonder if anyone on the "inside" that flips will ever publicly confront Naima Feagin and her gang?  I have always found the "totalitarian regime" aspect of the whole thing to be creepy.

We need to activate one of our fifth column agents within the organization soon.  lol   (Captain Zero just choked on his Rice Krispies.)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 28, 2014, 09:34:08 PM
Good treatise TK.  I think that it's fair to assume that the overall message has percolated down to even the most rabid believers in the QEG.  Some of them must be having real doubts.  Some of them must have a sinking feeling that they are just mindless drones "cheering" the endless stories of the "breakthroughs" of the "leaders" that are in reality just an ongoing string of failures.

I just wonder if anyone on the "inside" that flips will ever publicly confront Naima Feagin and her gang?  I have always found the "totalitarian regime" aspect of the whole thing to be creepy.

We need to activate one of our fifth column agents within the organization soon.  lol   (Captain Zero just choked on his Rice Krispies.)
What about Zarkov?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on November 28, 2014, 10:50:39 PM
Dr.Hans Zarkov has also retired to Morocco after his many years of work on rocket propulsion. He may be of great assistance and is well connected. It is important "we the people" are able to suppress any new uprising of these forces of tyranny disguised as free energy mercenaries.
Kind Regards
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on November 29, 2014, 01:14:40 AM
Dr.Hans Zarkov has also retired to Morocco after his many years of work on rocket propulsion. He may be of great assistance and is well connected. It is important "we the people" are able to suppress any new uprising of these forces of tyranny disguised as free energy mercenaries.
Kind Regards
Le Chaim!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 29, 2014, 04:57:53 AM
If all of the other "Trolls" here are receiving checks...I have a question?  Where the hell is mine?

I have been called a troll many times, (Look it up) yet, I have yet to receive any monetary compensation for this.

Is there a union I have to join or what?

To me, the modern day definition of "Troll" is:  One who speaks the truth.  They can't handle the truth as it suppresses fundraising efforts.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 29, 2014, 06:17:04 AM
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That is complete and total nonsensical idiocy.  It's moronic and totally stupid to pretend that you can redefine the meaning of words to advance your 'argument.'

If 6 was 9, you don't mind?

I wonder how your end results are really like when your mind is so fogged up that you can only probably see 2 feet in front of you only.

How dumb do you have to be to not understand the 'FUELING” of the sun?

In the civilized mind we can gather 100% that the sun is being fueled? By what, lets call it “dark matter” IOW, it comes from the dark lol = definition that comes from the “smart” nerds.

So there is a “hard entity” that is fueling the suns “gas tank” until it burns out! Right? Or to put it in another way, the sun will burn out! ok...we can agree on that.

So we have a “SUN” that we can see and feel.

We have a fueling that is needed for it to keep on shining!

We have 100% understanding that is has been burning for millions (billions?) of years.

Ok, soooooooooooo, you call “free runner” that which does not required a human to refuel the energy?

I already asked you what is a free runner but you are so stupid as to not define that?

Your bark is like a chihuahua dog, a lot of barking but not a lot of knowledge. You believe that insults are science or knowledge? Since all you do is try to insult people since you have figured everything out and only fight for peoples rights as a super hero lol.

I already said that “the big bang” loops = explosion → implosion

I already said numbers loop = 123456789 → 0,

I already said galaxies Coolidge to make other galaxies = looping.

I already said the transformer is just gathering energy from the air.

I already said that the hoover damn will produce 100% free energy from the source till the river stops flowing.

You are so infatuated with hopegirl that you believe everything I post is based on her ideas. Lol

you have no brain potential man. You don't even show it.

You can't even define what is self looping? Go ahead and define what it is? You can't, you are only a sarcastic individual where life is not sarcastic.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 29, 2014, 06:34:17 AM
Joel:

So, let me get this straight.  I put gas in my car and....suddenly, it is an overunity machine?  It is self running?

This is, of course, nonsense.  Somehow, I am not sure why, but I think you are intelligent enough to know this.

OK, I will try to help you out. 

"Self-running" means, a device makes enough energy from its output to overcome the energy required for its input.

"Self-running" means, it does not require new batteries, or a charge, or, additional fuel (energy) input to keep operating.  My car does not fit this description.  Neither does the sun.

So, if you wind a grandfather clock (energy input) and it runs all week then, this is an overunity device to you?  Or, a self-running device?  You are not accounting for the energy input which is the mistake most newbies make.  By your words, you have already told us that you are new to science and physics.  We get that.

The questions is....do you want to really learn?  Or, do you just want to continue to post nonsense that tags you as a newbie?

I am not a chemist but I believe that the sun converts hydrogen to helium3, which is a very efficient way to operate, BUT, it is not making its own fuel, no more than your car does, it will, eventually run out of fuel...just like your car.  No magic here.

If you don't believe any of us, as I suggested earlier, please take some physics courses or read some books.  You probably have a good mind and you could really benefit from this.  The choice is yours.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 29, 2014, 06:52:44 AM
The evidence is all over the place that there are hundreds of them that don't even get out in to the public and just fade out.

Just one example out of many....http://weburbanist.com/2013/04/23/lunar-power-solar-spheres-energized-by-both-sun-moon/

lol, you are just sitting in your chair in front of your computer expecting that one day the only answer that can be given is in this forum. Lol..simple minded individual.

Milehigh, tell me how that sphere will never work based on your highly advance intelligence with details?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 29, 2014, 07:02:05 AM
The evidence is all over the place that there are hundreds of them that don't even get out in to the public and just fade out.

Just one example out of many....http://weburbanist.com/2013/04/23/lunar-power-solar-spheres-energized-by-both-sun-moon/ (http://weburbanist.com/2013/04/23/lunar-power-solar-spheres-energized-by-both-sun-moon/)

lol, you are just sitting in your chair in front of your computer expecting that one day the only answer that can be given is in this forum. Lol..simple minded individual.

Milehigh, tell me how that sphere will never work based on your highly advance intelligence with details?

So, I suppose that means No, you will not read science/physics books and attempt to learn?

Alrighty then, I tried.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 29, 2014, 07:34:48 AM
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So, let me get this straight.  I put gas in my car and....suddenly, it is an overunity machine?  It is self running?

put gas in your car and let it run for days until the gas runs out...or let it run and refuel it...it will run and run until it runs out of fuel or when the metals/electronics degrade BUT it will run for a long time.

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This is, of course, nonsense.  Somehow, I am not sure why, but I think you are intelligent enough to know this.

If you have an 800HP engine and you have a 100HP engine does not matter, it will run and run as long as the dark matter keeps on fueling it.

I'm not just looking at the engine alone, it goes all the wayyyy down to the electrons orbiting around the atom.

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"Self-running" means, a device makes enough energy from its output to overcome the energy required for its input.

ok now we are getting somewhere. We agree that energy is FREEE. No human creates ENERGY they only gather it from the abundance.

Now we have to understand that “ENERGY” is not singular/static...energy resonates.

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"Self-running" means, it does not require new batteries, or a charge, or, additional fuel (energy) input to keep operating.  My car does not fit this description.  Neither does the sun.

well then “self-running” is not real. And you should have figured this out since years ago. Lol, “self-running” only means that it requires less energy for greater output....IOW, everything needs energy because if it did not, it would cancel out and become a dodo bird.

But, you have to see the looping in a corner of the universe. Like the earth being in the right place and at the balance of energy (not a lot of energy to burn out, not so little energy to go cold) I only see the earth, sun, stars being looping like the time/clock. 1.2.3.4.5.6.7.8.9.10.11.12 → back to 1pm/am even time is looping!

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You are not accounting for the energy input which is the mistake most newbies make.

The mistake you are making is not understanding the FREEE energy is sooooo huge that there is a lot to waste. You are just a gatherer of energy where the universe is a river of energy that is going straight or in circles...pretend the energy in the galaxy is an ocean or that we are living inside an ocean of energy...thet mistake you make is just that you can't tap to the energy...or I would think is mostly due to the rich people not allowing the common person have the technology to just allopw everyone to have free “technological FREE energy” because then you would stop paying for it!!! simple simple stuff!.

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The questions is....do you want to really learn?  Or, do you just want to continue to post nonsense that tags you as a newbie?

learning is my passion, but the road blocks are blind people that have their feelings butt hurt and only think with their wallets. Everyone I know are trolling to make money and not to really seek the truth!!! i'm sure you are influenced by money yourself because you have bills to pay?

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I am not a chemist but I believe that the sun converts hydrogen to helium3, which is a very efficient way to operate, BUT, it is not making its own fuel, no more than your car does, it will, eventually run out of fuel...just like your car.  No magic here.

huh...

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If you don't believe any of us, as I suggested earlier, please take some physics courses or read some books.  You probably have a good mind and you could really benefit from this.  The choice is yours.

what will I learn from you that I don't know yet? Just curious.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 29, 2014, 07:47:48 AM
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So, I suppose that means No, you will not read science/physics books and attempt to learn?

did you even clicked on the link and used your brain to understand the sphere?

Did you see how that sphere acts as the human eye that gathers FREEE light to see the surroundings?

Man, you are very very intelligent since you ignored that and don't even speak about it but just ignore it.

Yeah, just what I thought. Selective thinking = judgmental thinking...lol

Stupid guy, if I was nor reading books and not attempt to learn how do I know how the eye works and judge how the link I posted is just the eye focusing the light in one spot?

Unless by learning you mean to be a closed minded groupie and agree with everything you say?  :o
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on November 29, 2014, 08:22:52 AM
Hi Joel,
I am not sure of your reasoning or even purpose. No amount of words will make a QEG work. No evidence presented so far has indicated it has or ever will. What has been presented is a lot of emotive words and a clear demonstration of ignorance of basic science and electrical engineering concepts. I am not sure why anyone is trying to convince you otherwise of your strong beliefs and acts of faith. It seems pointless and we should leave you in peace with your opinions and convictions.
I do wish you the best but quite frankly its not even worth the time to try and see reason or have a logical argument. As I always say, show me the data. Without it its just hypothetical conjecture with little reflection on reality.
Love and Peace
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 29, 2014, 08:25:10 AM
Bill Nye the science guy says...

The proton–proton chain occurs around 9.2×10^37 times each second in the core. Because this reaction uses four free protons (hydrogen nuclei), it converts about 3.7×10^38 protons to alpha particles (helium nuclei) every second (out of a total of ~8.9×10^56 free protons in the Sun), or about 6.2×10^11 kg per second.[18] Because fusing hydrogen into helium releases around 0.7% of the fused mass as energy,[54] the Sun releases energy at the mass–energy conversion rate of 4.26 million metric tons per second, 384.6 yotta watts (3.846×102^6 W),[1] or 9.192×10^10 megatons of TNT per second.

Etc, etc.

There is nothing special about those solar focusing lenses, a.k.a. "solar concentrators."  From what I understand they are inferior to regular solar panels.  It's arguable that they are made "just because you can" and there is a market out there for them.  The article dates from April 2013.  I seriously doubt that you will ever seem them manufactured in real production volumes.  Too many broken toes from the installers when they did their trials.

Sorry, Joel, you haven't changed the definition of words, or how basic science concepts are mutually understood and agreed upon.  Hence you deserved a bit of attitude because the whole basis for your argument is false and simply foolish.  So rant if you must, but nothing changes.  We don't practice "dancing chicken" science here.

The Sun has but one gas tank, and it's going to run out of gas.  It's going to get bloated and swallow up the inner planets.  That's a FREEE bake and shake for the burnt toast Earth.  You are going to become plasma.  FREEE plasma!


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 29, 2014, 08:46:39 AM
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I am not sure of your reasoning or even purpose. No amount of words will make a QEG work. No evidence presented so far has indicated it has or ever will. What has been presented is a lot of emotive words and a clear demonstration of ignorance of basic science and electrical engineering concepts. I am not sure why anyone is trying to convince you otherwise of your strong beliefs and acts of faith. It seems pointless and we should leave you in peace with your opinions and convictions.
I do wish you the best but quite frankly its not even worth the time to try and see reason or have a logical argument. As I always say, show me the data. Without it its just hypothetical conjecture with little reflection on reality.
Love and Peace

I appreciate your civilized way of responding but based on gravity self looping, electricity self looping, planets self looping, the clock self looping, human life self looping....self looping from the FREE energy is possible and just the money hungry rulers of the countries are only blinding the people to take their money.

I'm sorry you don't acknowledge the history too. You will find that workers in the past would be forced to work 12 hours a day and would get killed if they didn't....really sad...and also you have the facts that niggers where slaves = property!

At any rate, you cannot tell me that if I stick a generator being “spin by a river” I won't get FREEE energy for the rest of my life. Just think about it, solar panels in your roof, your AC during the summer is getting cold from the bottom of the earth (at a certain oint) where it is 70* F. The walls being 3 feet wide as to keep the cold/hot air in like a refrigerator..etc etc etc...

what all of that means is that we are just slaves to the money. The truth is understanding that things are not really that hard to  understand.

Knowledge is power. Learn how to fix your TV, learn how to fix your car, learn how to repair your body, learn how to repair your computer...what happens..LESS SALES, LESS PROFIT TO BE MADE BY THE BIG PEOPLE> lol so, based on that, HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU ARE NOT A VICTIM OF THE DOLLAR?

Like animals need water to drink (FREEE energy), every house need a generator. I already metioned that the water flows due to the ice in the mountains. And that will always loop in the earth. So if the earth will walways have rivers flowing down to the ocean, then you can always put a generator in all the rivers for infinity until the earth dies......what I don't get is how a human claimed it that the water is theirs when the water is looping through out all the world? Etc etc etc...

p.s. you have to look at all angels to get to the middle. the end result is looping since looping is the begging....it's just lopping->looping->looping world. I find it hard to believe that you work 40 hrs a week and have time to understand that all of the self looping machines do not work, unless you are only basing your "intelligence" based on what others tell you? yawn!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on November 29, 2014, 09:09:59 AM
Quote
The Sun has but one gas tank, and it's going to run out of gas.  It's going to get bloated and swallow up the inner planets.  That's a FREEE bake and shake for the burnt toast Earth.  You are going to become plasma.  FREEE plasma!

Is this your full brain capasity of comprehension, cus you are repeating what I have said but don't answer anything what I ask you e.g.

what is FREEE energy?

What is self-runner?

What is a QEG?

What caused “the big bang”?

Soooo many questions I have asked you and your answers are always, how to say, not smart. As if you are ignoring them selectively and just blatantly just blabber out stuff to be sarcastic. I guess you get more "up-votes by being sarcastic"? Then you are a spoiled brat...lol

You seem to have a gruipe followers here, I give you that since they answer more to what I ask you then you do, lol. Ah well....ahem, cult leader.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 29, 2014, 09:43:02 AM
Quote
what is FREEE energy?

What is self-runner?

What is a QEG?

What caused “the big bang”

The answer is 42 + j420.

Study this clip and look at all of the energy dynamics and transformations taking place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 29, 2014, 06:54:54 PM
The answer is 42 + j420.

Study this clip and look at all of the energy dynamics and transformations taking place.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qybUFnY7Y8w)

Wow!  Look at the low energy input from Mr. Hand and the State Farm truck and the high energy output that follows.  Incredible.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on November 30, 2014, 12:26:06 AM
The comedy continues!

First the Exciter coil had to be 1.3 MHz. Then suddenly it changed without justification to 7 Mhz. But I guess Jamie forgot all about that and now he's back to 1.3MHz... right in the middle of the AM Standard Broadcast Band! All those people who rewound their coils and took down their 1.3 MHz tuned antennas, to use 7MHz instead.... well, maybe they still have the old coil and antenna, and can put them back up!

I don't know where Jamie is now. Is he in Florida somewhere? I wonder how many AM stations there are, wherever he is, within a few kHz of 1.3 MHz, that will be interfered with by his broadband noise transmitter.
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/pennsylvania-usa/616-james-robitaille-important-discovery-about-the-exciter-coil#2880

Now _that's_ an important breakthrough.

Isn't it?


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rigel4 on November 30, 2014, 12:47:42 AM
Hi Joel,
I am not sure of your reasoning or even purpose. No amount of words will make a QEG work. No evidence presented so far has indicated it has or ever will. What has been presented is a lot of emotive words and a clear demonstration of ignorance of basic science and electrical engineering concepts. I am not sure why anyone is trying to convince you otherwise of your strong beliefs and acts of faith. It seems pointless and we should leave you in peace with your opinions and convictions.
I do wish you the best but quite frankly its not even worth the time to try and see reason or have a logical argument. As I always say, show me the data. Without it its just hypothetical conjecture with little reflection on reality.
Love and Peace
Mark

Just be damn glad he does not have an account on R-G! Now if we could team him up with Stuart on PESN.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 30, 2014, 01:03:37 AM
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Working note received from James today:(Fix the World QEG)

 "Made an important discovery last night. Remember I told ya the exciter coil has to be resonant in the circuit. That's what we've been trying to make happen. We can tune it fine when it's not wired into the generator. But when you connect to the generator, it behaves differently. I did some research and realized we have to tune it while it's short-circuited. That's what haappens when you wire it into the circuit. The high frequency (1.3Mhz) makes it behave like it's shorted. Which is fine. It still tunes, and it still radiates! Even when it's shorted! So that answers one of the questions we had from the beginning! i.e. how do you tune the exciter coil while it's in circuit? Answer: put a shorting jumper across it, and tune it shorted! So that's what I'm working on today."

I can't be sure what James is doing, but it sounds cockamamie to me!  It's one step away from a word salad.  300 MHz is one meter.   1.3 MHz is 230 meters.  Doesn't that mean that his small coil will not radiate much at all and will only produce near-field radiation?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 30, 2014, 01:15:57 AM
I can't be sure what James is doing, but it sounds cockamamie to me!  It's one step away from a word salad.  300 MHz is one meter.   1.3 MHz is 230 meters.  Doesn't that mean that his small coil will not radiate much at all and will only produce near-field radiation?

MH:

It almost sounds as if he is trying to invent radio.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 30, 2014, 04:04:26 AM
*dofts hat in Joel's direction*

I watched silently as he came here, laying low among the weeds, and making leading statements.

To some, he must have appeared to be a midget...then rose up on one knee...nobody seem to notice...he began baiting his trap(placing a 'tar baby' on the grounds), trapping many unwitting feet.

Then he stood up (now taller that first appeared) posing provocative questions.

In chess vernacular, he set up some type of textural Sicilian defense, closing in on checkmate, or at the very least a stalemate.

Great to watch.

Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 30, 2014, 04:13:13 AM
*dofts hat in Joel's direction*

I watched silently as he came here, laying low among the weeds, and making leading statements.

To some, he must have appeared to be a midget...then rose up on one knee...nobody seem to notice...he began baiting his trap(placing a 'tar baby' on the grounds), trapping many unwitting feet.

Then he stood up (now taller that first appeared) posing provocative questions.

In chess vernacular, he set up some type of textural Sicilian defense, closing in on checkmate, or at the very least a stalemate.

Great to watch.

Regards...

Ummm....what?  Perhaps you have this topic confused with another one?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 30, 2014, 04:30:40 AM
Hmmmm...it wood seem the pirate is asea.

Avast thar me hard-y...tie that scurvy yard to the dog arm !

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 30, 2014, 06:41:01 AM
Bleeding edge of the Truther movement...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 30, 2014, 06:45:51 AM
Culture Critique:

The picture is funny...the caption wanting in relevance.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 30, 2014, 06:51:25 AM
Culture Critique:

The picture is funny...the caption wanting in relevance.

Regards...

What?  Not gay enough for you?  Not everyone swings that way man.  Get used to it and get back on topic and please leave your sexual preferences out of it.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 30, 2014, 07:18:26 AM
I ask the readership...whats worse than a stupid idiot ?

Answer...a stupid idiot following people on a web site making unamusing and unimaginative gay references and trying to convince himself that everybody doesn't see how stupid he is.

Hey joel...I think this moron needs another lesson in logic.

Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 30, 2014, 07:22:27 AM
I ask the readership...whats worse than a stupid idiot ?

Answer...a stupid idiot following people on a web site making unamusing and unimaginative gay references and trying to convince himself that everybody doesn't see how stupid he is.

Hey joel...I think this moron needs another lesson in logic.

Regards...

Anyone that would ask for Joel to give a lesson in logic tells everyone how low he has set the bar for that logic.  Well said Sir.  Please continue to tell everyone here what you are really about.  You are doing a great job thus far.  Of course, you could not make a post without the word "gay" in it but, I am sure you are doing the best that you can, given your circumstances and life choices.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 30, 2014, 07:29:53 AM
A classic case of projection...the most common and unimaginative of all the psychological conditions.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 30, 2014, 07:42:30 AM
A classic case of projection...the most common and unimaginative of all the psychological conditions.

I am sure that your shrink has explained each and every one of them to you.  You should tell him that you remembered them.  He would be impressed.  Maybe you can go hetero after all.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 30, 2014, 07:47:27 AM
Good lord...this is getting pathetic.

Each post more dense than the previous.

This has to be a troll or the stupidest person ever seen on a message board.

Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on November 30, 2014, 08:04:17 AM
Good lord...this is getting pathetic.

Each post more dense than the previous.

This has to be a troll or the stupidest person ever seen on a message board.

Regards...

Ummm....you might want to tell your shrink that you are "seeing" people on a message board.  I mean...really...I do not think that you have ever seen me....right?  But, once again the "Troll" word rears its ugly head.  Just as I predicted.

Thank you, I just won $10.00.

Plus, you might want to reconsider admitting that the "stupidest person ever" keeps besting your posts.  It does not really do anything to elevate your stature here.  Try posting to Joel...you both appear to be about the same level of intelligence.  You can have a great conversation.  He seems like a decent fellow but, I believe he is straight so...you probably should not hit on him.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on November 30, 2014, 12:28:46 PM
 - Did you know that "The OPPT Dream Team as come out with the long-awaited apology"?
(from skype QEGnetwork  "henryoleary" 29 Nov 2014 ):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI1iZUw8QYQ

 - In attachment, chat from QEGNetwork  from 2014 11 Nov until 2014 30 Nov 09H23:  BS...

 - About Joel and Cap-z-ro and mmeta200, some reading:

Believing Bullshit: How Not to Get Sucked into an Intellectual Black Hole. Copyright © 2011 Stephen Law
excerpt:
"My suggestion is that our contemporary cultural landscape contains, if you like, numerous Intellectual Black Holes—belief systems constructed in such a way that unwary passersby can find themselves similarly drawn in. While those of us lacking robust intellectual and other psychological defenses are most easily trapped, we're all potentially vulnerable. If you find yourself encountering a belief system in which one or more of these mechanisms features prominently, be wary. Alarm bells should be going off and warning lights flashing. For you may now be approaching the event horizon of an Intellectual Black Hole"

Here is a torrent links: http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/8895339/
(you need a torrent program to download this)
Moderator: feel free to erase the torrent link if it's forbiden!

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on November 30, 2014, 03:10:28 PM
Ummm....you might want to tell your shrink that you are "seeing" people on a message board.  I mean...really...I do not think that you have ever seen me....right?  But, once again the "Troll" word rears its ugly head.  Just as I predicted.

Thank you, I just won $10.00.

Plus, you might want to reconsider admitting that the "stupidest person ever" keeps besting your posts.  It does not really do anything to elevate your stature here.  Try posting to Joel...you both appear to be about the same level of intelligence.  You can have a great conversation.  He seems like a decent fellow but, I believe he is straight so...you probably should not hit on him.

Bill



Hard to argue the logic of a troll who's drunk texting... that also happens to be a moron to boot.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 01, 2014, 02:50:01 AM
- Did you know that "The OPPT Dream Team as come out with the long-awaited apology"?
(from skype QEGnetwork  "henryoleary" 29 Nov 2014 ):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI1iZUw8QYQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SI1iZUw8QYQ)

 - In attachment, chat from QEGNetwork  from 2014 11 Nov until 2014 30 Nov 09H23:  BS...

 - About Joel and Cap-z-ro and mmeta200, some reading:

Believing Bullshit: How Not to Get Sucked into an Intellectual Black Hole. Copyright © 2011 Stephen Law
excerpt:
"My suggestion is that our contemporary cultural landscape contains, if you like, numerous Intellectual Black Holes—belief systems constructed in such a way that unwary passersby can find themselves similarly drawn in. While those of us lacking robust intellectual and other psychological defenses are most easily trapped, we're all potentially vulnerable. If you find yourself encountering a belief system in which one or more of these mechanisms features prominently, be wary. Alarm bells should be going off and warning lights flashing. For you may now be approaching the event horizon of an Intellectual Black Hole"

Here is a torrent links: http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/8895339/ (http://thepiratebay.se/torrent/8895339/)
(you need a torrent program to download this)
Moderator: feel free to erase the torrent link if it's forbiden!

That's some pretty significant stuff there from Brian. If anyone doubted the connection between Naima Feagin, QEG, the "water powered vehicle" tour of the USA, Heather Tucci-Jarraf, and the criminal OPPT organization, that should clear up those doubts. There are some pretty good comments on the video, too.

Imagine a bunch of foreigners trying to grow "hemp", that is, marijuana, in a rented courtyard in Morocco! It's a wonder they aren't all locked up in some scary Moroccan jail.

I haven't looked at the Skype transcript yet. Thanks for posting that stuff!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: orbut 3000 on December 01, 2014, 03:36:21 AM
No matter what the trolls say, the QUEG is still a very good Overunity. And unless the critics can't explain why galaxies spin without a diesel engine or a why then they are wrong. Period. Long live openmindedness, hopegirl and the Qeg.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 01, 2014, 03:50:21 AM
OMG. That Skype transcript is amazing. That is the nature of the discussion about QEG from those "in the know"? I have never seen anything like that before. One poster, called "lordizzy1", posted something like 8 pages full of nothing but swastika symbols, and then a little later posted several _thousand_ lines containing only the same sentence, a vile insult, over and over. More than half of the entire transcript is just repeated disgusting garbage from that one poster. And a lot of the rest of it is equally amazing if not quite so repetitive. "Targ.collective" posted claims that he/she/it could kill other posters by thoughts or by assigning the task to sub-collective members.... death threats? Along with a lot of utter "spiritual" bull hockey that has nothing at all to do with QEG. But many people there seem to be totally skeptical now about the HopeGirl QEG farce.
It's worth a quick scan through but there is no significant information there, other than the indication that all is not well with the QEG/OPPT "remnants".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on December 01, 2014, 05:10:00 AM
Hey Bill, I can't wait to get well enough to start experimenting again, I kind of left my projects at a standstill now for months due
to illness. I may need to move to the big smoke to get treatment.
We were working on similar projects.
I'm in the process of de-stocking the livestock so I can stop the work that is causing me problems. Finally the breeding stock is gone,
so the animal Over Unity is now stopped  ;) and I can get control of the workload  ::), now the work will get less and less.

OU can be hard work to keep under control. Everything evens out in the end though.

All that can be said about OU and free energy is that it's just a quagmire of misunderstandings and differing use of terms ect.

.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 01, 2014, 06:55:47 AM
No matter what the trolls say, the QUEG is still a very good Overunity. And unless the critics can't explain why galaxies spin without a diesel engine or a why then they are wrong. Period. Long live openmindedness, hopegirl and the Qeg.
No, until "HopeGirl" and the rest of the QEG believers can come up with what they already said they had, back over a year ago, _they_ are wrong, period.

Long live TRUTH, proper measurements and True Experiments, from which correct conclusions can be drawn. 

Not being able to "explain" something that IS, is not being "wrong". Not providing evidence for a false claim, saying something exists when it clearly doesn't... that is wrong, on many different levels. Your bumper sticker philosophy is wrong.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 01, 2014, 08:40:52 AM
No matter what the trolls say, the QUEG is still a very good Overunity. And unless the critics can't explain why galaxies spin without a diesel engine or a why then they are wrong. Period. Long live openmindedness, hopegirl and the Qeg.
If the QEG is a good example of overunity, then overunity is apparently useless as an energy source.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on December 01, 2014, 09:07:58 AM
No matter what the trolls say, the QUEG is still a very good Overunity. And unless the critics can't explain why galaxies spin without a diesel engine or a why then they are wrong. Period. Long live openmindedness, hopegirl and the Qeg.
I hope you are a strong financial supporter to their cause as they need people like you and people like you need to part with your money. Even the QEG people admit they do not have a self runner???
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 01, 2014, 09:58:22 AM
MileHigh, for sure you are wayyy up High in the clouds.

What is sad is that you pretend to be smart but don't even show it.

I already asked you what kind of schooling did you have?

What is your PHD?

Even in the way you response and i psychoanalyze you, you don't show a gram of intelligence! There is no wow factor, nothing you have said to believe that you are knowledgeable in anything. I'm a newbie here but I don't see anything of knowledge worth coming from you. You only seem to demand demand demand and that's all you do...nothing contributed from you after thousands of posts...wow, am i'm the stupid one?

It seems like you are just here to put down people to enhance your pride only.

Show us your intelligence and your inventions as for everyone to see how smart you are because all I see is sarcastic responses, all I see is people just wasting energy to fuel your ego....other than that, you are not funny nor smart at all.

At least smart people are sarcastic then show their intelligence, you are just blabbering stuff like if you are this smart person...

Have you actually invented anything in your life?

Do you know how refrigerators work?

Do you do your own automobile mechanic work?

How many females have you slept with?

Do you fix your own computer and know how to avoid viruses?

What is your specialty besides not being funny?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 01, 2014, 10:27:45 AM
Just look what MileHigh asked me..

Quote
If 6 was 9, you don't mind?

what we know that numbers is just a language.....lol...just think about it...that earth does not even speak any language but YET it is obeying the “LAWS”....is numbers where the truth....just use your brain for a send....IF NUMBERS WHERE THE TRUTH, all animals would be counting 1 through 9 lol...get it?

IF NUMBERS WHERE THE TRUTH ALL ANIMALLS WOULD BE COUTING NUMBERS! Why is that so hard to understand? So since animals don't count numbers nor the ATOM does, how is math the truth?

Numbers are just symbols that make VIRTUAL sense to humans...is not that numbers = the truth.

If you imagine how the “big bang' is the soup that cooked us....you expect me to believe that in all of that universe are the same symbols to define things when even in this world one word is not spelled the same all around the world?

Like how is this guy even implying that 6 and 9 are universal and static? Like he is not even using his mind to think about the other things in the universe.

I can bet you anything that if 6 became nine and all numbers obeyed the mother nature geometrical FACTS, it would still be the same. It's only perception! We only seee the symbol of one that is not a symbol of two and that two follows symbol of one.

“The big bang” banged all of this numbers. Lol The humans are so smart that they created the “big bang”...get offff your high horse!!! and be humble because we all learn each and every day....

You can't even understand between a hoax and a positive movement...so MileHigh, keep on believing that you are superman...lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 01, 2014, 11:49:20 AM
Joel:

If all the hippies cut off all their hair, would you care?  Would you care?!

When you pretend that you can just redefine the meanings of words to advance your argument you fall flat on your face.  100% facts.  In your face bb.  Your posts are silly and nobody can take them seriously.  You need a j420 holiday just like Allegedly Dave.

The bottom line:  The QEG never worked, does not work now, and never will work.  Prove me wrong and show a working QEG to the forum and then we can talk.

"Copy-paste-a-gasm" was a good joke, so there!  So there!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on December 01, 2014, 01:05:07 PM
In a world where information is available as never before, how can some people write BS like that?

All this posts from joel, mmeta and the others make me think that coherent thinking and rational is decaying for some people on our earth...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on December 01, 2014, 02:10:24 PM



  isim,
        I find it really interesting the sort of things that are going on in other peoples' minds.
 Everyone who contributes has their own style. I look upon the skeptics as those that believe
 in their silly devices and that they'll work. They're obviously skeptical of the well proven
 first principles. If there was something in these QEG's or whatever out of the billions of motors
 and generators that have been built at least one should have took off on its own now.
             John
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on December 01, 2014, 05:43:24 PM


  isim,
        I find it really interesting the sort of things that are going on in other peoples' minds.
 Everyone who contributes has their own style. I look upon the skeptics as those that believe
 in their silly devices and that they'll work. They're obviously skeptical of the well proven
 first principles. If there was something in these QEG's or whatever out of the billions of motors
 and generators that have been built at least one should have took off on its own now.
             John

I agree with you...
I post here and elsewhere to try to understand how can those "sceptics" think and write such things.
They use every days all this things that science and technology give them, but refuse to accept the knowledge who permit to realise these things.
I am afraid there is nothing to understand.
It's like if too much information, good and bad mixed, was killing the Knowledge..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 01, 2014, 09:27:10 PM
No matter what the trolls say, the QUEG is still a very good Overunity. And unless the critics can't explain why galaxies spin without a diesel engine or a why then they are wrong. Period. Long live openmindedness, hopegirl and the Qeg.
The real reason that the QEG has not self run  yet is the lack of funding. If you are a person of means I urge you to make a hefty donation to the cause- $10 to 20 K would be most welcome.  With this level of contribution you will immediately become an insider and be privy to what is really happening and the progress really being made. We need this technology like yesterday!.  HopeGirl provides many ways to donate to her enterprise. She will open her green door to you.  I know her efforts are the real deal. Good luck!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 02, 2014, 02:59:18 AM
Hey Bill, I can't wait to get well enough to start experimenting again, I kind of left my projects at a standstill now for months due
to illness. I may need to move to the big smoke to get treatment.
We were working on similar projects.
I'm in the process of de-stocking the livestock so I can stop the work that is causing me problems. Finally the breeding stock is gone,
so the animal Over Unity is now stopped  ;) and I can get control of the workload  ::) , now the work will get less and less.

OU can be hard work to keep under control. Everything evens out in the end though.

All that can be said about OU and free energy is that it's just a quagmire of misunderstandings and differing use of terms ect.

.

I am glad to hear that you are doing better.  Easing the workload sounds like the way to go to me.  I am still working on my miro-JT circuits and am almost ready to go but I have run into a snag.  Once I get that sorted out...I should be in good shape.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on December 02, 2014, 03:23:14 AM


  isim,
        I find it really interesting the sort of things that are going on in other peoples' minds.
 Everyone who contributes has their own style. I look upon the skeptics as those that believe
 in their silly devices and that they'll work. They're obviously skeptical of the well proven
 first principles.
If there was something in these QEG's or whatever out of the billions of motors
 and generators that have been built at least one should have took off on its own now.
             John

minnie you are quite right in identifying these persons as "skeptics", but as with many English words, (and many words of other tongues),
the word "skeptic" has long had several meanings or uses in describing quite different people, see Quote below, "My bold text",
Going by the quote below I consider myself a skeptic of both class "2." and class "4.", I think those are both a "healthy" type of skeptic.

The QEG believers and many others on this forum are definitely obsessive skeptics of the class "3." type skeptic. Being A class "3." type
skeptic could very easily be a very unhealthy thing.

Confusion and painting good to bad is the work of the evil one. The way the word skeptic is used on here by the class "3"
skeptics is trying to paint good skeptics to be bad, however they be under the control of evil or just ignorant of the words
different meanings and uses. Either way, just like many things skepticism can be good or it can be bad, depending on how
and/or why it is done. I'm a skeptic type 2 and 4 and I think it's a good thing. If a type "2" skeptic could be considered "moderate",
I would say that describes me, I'm not hard lined, I think some things can be considered pretty much definite knowledge.

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Skeptic

adjective
skeptical: used esp. in philosophy

Origin of skeptic
Classical Latin scepticus ; from Classical Greek skeptikos, thoughtful, inquiring ; from skeptesthai, to consider: altered by metathesis ; from Indo-European base an unverified form spe-, to peer from source spy

noun

1.    a member of any of the ancient Greek philosophical schools that denied the possibility of any certain knowledge
2.    a person who believes in or practices philosophical skepticism
3.    a person who habitually doubts, questions, or suspends judgment upon matters generally accepted
4.    a person who doubts religious doctrines

Webster's New World College Dictionary Copyright © 2010 by Wiley Publishing, Inc., Cleveland, Ohio.
Used by arrangement with John Wiley & Sons, Inc.

Source of Dictionary Quote-- http://www.yourdictionary.com/skeptic

..

P.S. Type "1" skeptics are all long dead and type "4" skeptics don't matter much here, so the two main types of skeptics here are
type "2" and type "3" skeptics. People without any type "2" skepticism at all I would call "odd" at best.

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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 02, 2014, 11:22:58 AM
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If all the hippies cut off all their hair, would you care?  Would you care?!

wut! I'm not a hippie nor like them to be honest. Who likes vans?

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When you pretend that you can just redefine the meanings of words to advance your argument you fall flat on your face.  100% facts.  In your face bb.  Your posts are silly and nobody can take them seriously.  You need a j420 holiday just like Allegedly Dave.

Likewise, your posts don't have any value in them either? Show me proof that what you go against does not work?

Plus, if you are so smart as you say, why do you not see that humans only gather FREEE energy and cannot explain how FREEE energy turned to dollar bills?

Your mind is fogged. So you believe in the money where money = paper. You cannot see the outcome? As if you can be rich for infinity since it is part of the evolution? OR, it will hit a wall and everything will collapse to make room for the next smart people? You have to understand that money does not make the world go round, the “laws of the universe do”!

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The bottom line:  The QEG never worked, does not work now, and never will work.  Prove me wrong and show a working QEG to the forum and then we can talk.

lol, yeach like I said you only want evidence yet you fail to ignore the MOTHER NATURE LAWS that speak the facts. You fail to see the money corruption! Hmmm...a few years ago one gallon of unleaded gas was 1 dollar now it is 3 dollars and climbing!!!

The facts are all over the places that I have to see you as a dumb person or just plain psychotic.

Years ago cars where giving 40MPG now they are called hybrids.

Cars could run on water and now the US will run their ships on water.

Add acetone to the gas tank and see how it improves mileage.....

moral of the story, it's all money corruption!

In a modern civilized present we need presidents to tell us how to spend our money?

We allow cancer to happen to all humans?

Poverty?

We can get rid of all poverty, cancers, money problems by telling the truth that energy is FREEE and we don;t have to be slaves like a donkey chasing a carrot!

I find it very hard to understand your mentality when you fight against the “QEG” but yet you are so comfortable being taken advantage by the government and the media.

Let me see you demand proof from the presidents decisions like you are here demanding them? Lol

Point being, EVERYTHING THAT OUTPUTS REQUIRES LESS INPUT!!! Just look at what “the big bang” created from a dot? Or do you ignore that fact too?

Do you even know what “the big bang is”? Probably don't!

Your responses don't even have no WOW factor. You are like a basketball wife! Lol

lol, yeah the universe is giving you all the facts in your face in paper and pencil... ::)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 02, 2014, 11:55:27 AM
I have asked you questions after questions that I know the answer to and you don't answer back?

I can fix an HVAC, auto engine, fix an LCD monitor, computer, speaker, transformer, generator, etc....why? 'cause everything works on the same principal!!!!

 so as a fact in my experience, I have fixed all of these types of items and I keep on asking you how do you fix them or how they even work, and you never answer any of them... Why? 'cause you don't see the CENNECTION in all of them!

As an example, gasoline engines can burn little fuel if they are using VAPOR fuel only, really good grade spark plugs with forward engine timing.

Just the same reason, IDEALOGY, that your refrigerator, laptop, dishwasher, CFL light bulbs etc can go bad just by a .20 cents piece. If they really wanted to help you out, and makes things lasts for years (which things can last for decades) they would stop selling stuff to the public. Imagine a world where people sell things that  last 30 years, one person would buy is only once in 30 years. But imagine where the item being sold fails then in 30 yrs they can buy it once or twice and three times or more...= buy cheap over charge, that's how it works. everything you by from a company, they bought it for less than half.... Bla bla bla bla!

After you understand that the MOTHER NATURE LAWS work the same, i'm sure I can print my own money but ONLY the CORRUPT LAWS would prevent me from doing that while they are playing one million dollar poker minimum. Yeah, you understand equality!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 02, 2014, 05:23:13 PM
Joel:

Tons of ad hominem attacks and Bizarro nutcase logic and a series of silly rhetorical questions does not impress me or others.  Have you read all of the other people stating that your comments are junk?

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EVERYTHING THAT OUTPUTS REQUIRES LESS INPUT!!!

Wrong, you have it BACKWARDS.   The output is always LESS THAN THE INPUT.

INPUT = OUTPUT + WASTE HEAT.

OUTPUT = INPUT - WASTE HEAT

IF WASTE HEAT GREATER THAN ZERO THEN OUTPUT LESS THAN INPUT

Take the example of the QEG:

INPUT = 600 WATTS
OUTPUT = 174 WATTS
WASTE HEAT = 426 WATTS

LET THAT SINK INTO YOUR BRAIN
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 02, 2014, 06:54:38 PM
Joel:

  Have you read all of the other people stating that your comments are junk?





Hey joel...that certainly didn't stop him tho...post on.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 03, 2014, 03:46:16 AM


Hey joel...that certainly didn't stop him tho...post on.

Regards...

Sure, try to get poor Joel to do your dirty Troll work for you.  Actually, he does type much better than you so, maybe not such a bad idea after all.  Just don't hit on him, I believe he is straight.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 03, 2014, 04:34:48 AM
Apparently the drunken sot forgets calling joel an idiot...as he does with anyone he disagrees with who uses too many syllables for him to follow.

This gay sh!t must be looped in his head...there's for sure lots of space for cassette tape in there.

Its painfully obvious thats the only level he can communicate on.


Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 03, 2014, 04:58:53 AM
Apparently the drunken sot forgets calling joel an idiot...as he does with anyone he disagrees with who uses too many syllables for him to follow.

This gay sh!t must be looped in his head...there's for sure lots of space for cassette tape in there.

Its painfully obvious thats the only level he can communicate on.


Regards...

Please do not pick on poor Joel...it is obvious to everyone that he can't help it.  Now you are really getting out of line Captain Minus One.  Once again, you prove that you can't make a post without mentioning something about gays, and now, you have added defecation and alcohol abusers.  I can't wait to see what's next.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 03, 2014, 05:07:10 AM
Cap has offered one good bit of advice and that is not to feed trolls.  By and large I think we should take him up on that piece of advice.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 03, 2014, 05:09:15 AM
Cap has offered one good bit of advice and that is not to feed trolls.  By and large I think we should take him up on that piece of advice.

Excellent advice Mark.  I will just find the "Ignore" button and we can get back on topic.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 03, 2014, 05:55:40 AM
Mark 66.6, '...and the shill shall lead the rudderless swill.'

The loss of 2 quality bum sniffers will be felt...it will feel drafty down behind there.

I never feed trolls, I generally flush it down the toilet and let them dive for it.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: orbut 3000 on December 03, 2014, 06:09:25 AM
The problem with trolls is that they are perfectly capable of feeding themselves.


I congratulate myself for this excellent post.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 03, 2014, 06:20:22 AM
Forum statistics seems to indicate that lazy bum sniffing trolls tend to go for the low hanging dingleberries.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 03, 2014, 06:26:51 AM
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Wrong, you have it BACKWARDS.   The output is always LESS THAN THE INPUT.

INPUT = OUTPUT + WASTE HEAT.

OUTPUT = INPUT - WASTE HEAT

IF WASTE HEAT GREATER THAN ZERO THEN OUTPUT LESS THAN INPUT

Take the example of the QEG:

INPUT = 600 WATTS
OUTPUT = 174 WATTS
WASTE HEAT = 426 WATTS

See the hoover damn....

water flow energy (input) = gathering electricity (output) + “wasted heat”

We know the hoover damn is a fact right?

Pretend you make a ladder of hoover dams down the stream. At the very top of the mountain, you make a hoover damn, then a couple of miles down you make another, then you make a smaller one, and so forth. Now we have a ladder of damns down the stream. In each ladder of the stream there is less energy since it's a river flowing down the step ladder. Then it hits the ocean and there are no more damns to gather the river flow.....so the water evaporates and it gathers up in the mountains again to flow back down to turn those generators again. So we can gather that the water energy of just flowing down is powering Las Vegas. So that's a loop right there. Then we figure out what is causing the loop, water evaporating and going up then coming back down....so we can conclude that energy always needs to be moving and even heat is food for LIFE....so there is no “WASTED HEAT” since if you break it down to the molecular level, even poop has HEAT and soo many micro molecular elements that there is no way for you to say that “wasted heat” is just waste.

From our current understanding, this is what we can gather in the atmosphere:

Nitrogen -- N2 -- 78.084%
Oxygen -- O2 -- 20.9476%
Argon -- Ar -- 0.934%
Carbon Dioxide -- CO2 -- 0.0314%
Neon -- Ne -- 0.001818%
Methane -- CH4 -- 0.0002%
Helium -- He -- 0.000524%
Krypton -- Kr -- 0.000114%
Hydrogen -- H2 -- 0.00005%
Xenon -- Xe -- 0.0000087%
Ozone -- O3 -- 0.000007%
Nitrogen Dioxide -- NO2 -- 0.000002%
Iodine -- I2 -- 0.000001%
Carbon Monoxide -- CO -- trace
Ammonia -- NH3 -- trace

and we DON”T KNOW what else is there with our “measuring instruments” since there can also be "DARK MATTER" or invisible things that we will never be able to measure with our current instruments. (our current instruments will be jurassic in 2000 more years if we live that long and human life does not "implode"lol)

The fact of the matter is that the evidence is all over the place that it is obvious that such self-looping machines do work....but the terminology is actually wrong because “self-loop” refers as no energy needed but all need energy. The correct term is LESS INPUT = GREATER OUTPUT.
Even in evolution....when your mom and dad made love, millions of “wasted” sperm was needed to get your mom's ovaries the “egg”. Millions, and this is a fact. It was not one sperm swimming up the canal, it was a lot of rapist sperms swimming up to fuk the ovary lol.

I'm sure the QEG is just focusing on one area only but with great minds and MONEY, the truth can come out since the evidence is all over the place.

Is in evolution, human reproduction, electricity, the weather, etc....things are self looping like rain, air, water...

The universe does not use OIL to fuel itself, stop being blind and use your intelligence to speak the truth!

Instead of focusing soo much “wasted energy” on trying to debunk, why don't you spend your “wasted energy” on the truth?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: orbut 3000 on December 03, 2014, 06:31:25 AM
So true. We don't know everything so even things we can observe are therefore unreliable and we have to give all obvious scammers and loons the benefit of doubt.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 03, 2014, 06:45:26 AM
More completely foolish nonsense comparing the QEG that has nothing to do with renewable energy and a hydro dam that makes use of renewable energy.  We are not discussing hydro dams, or the flight of the bumblebee, or daisies pushing up out of the ground in the Spring sun.

We are only talking about the QEG and nothing else.

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In each ladder of the stream there is less energy since it's a river flowing down the step ladder.

What??

Orbut 3000, I challenge you to say something with real substance about the QEG if you really believe in it.  If you don't say anything, then all your postings in support of it are hollow and meaningless.  If you want to be an "empty cheerleader" so be it.

Captain Zero back on the scatological rants again, truly gross.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 03, 2014, 06:56:51 AM
What' ever is ol' Capy to do when discussing the eating habits of brown speckled bum sniffer ?

Looks like I still have at least one left tho.

Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: orbut 3000 on December 03, 2014, 06:57:47 AM
mr milehigh,you know very well that the QEG is open source technology and I can,t disclose details because the chinese would steal it or the big oil would supress it.
But nice try,
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 03, 2014, 07:06:28 AM
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More completely foolish nonsense comparing the QEG that has nothing to do with renewable energy and a hydro dam that makes use of renewable energy.  We are not discussing hydro dams, or the flight of the bumblebee, or daisies pushing up out of the  ground in the Spring sun.

LOL, your intelligence fails to see how they are all the same in the molecular level. You are soooooo focused on the QEG that you fail to see past your ignorance.

What is this renewable energy you speak off since everything is renewable? Tell me of something that last for infinity? o.0

what is a hydro dam? You mean water flow spinning generators? The same as gasoline engine spinning your automobile engine generator driven by the energy of the crank shaft?

Lol, ok, obviously you are only focusing on one piece of the puzzle. Like I expected! Your brain is not capable to predict the future. Hmmm....so you are spending energy here to convince people that the QEG does not work and you feel like that will help humanity, when there goes a sperm with half a tail lol

Meanwhile in the EVOLUTION of energy, there are people fighting to speak truth and have INFLUENCE with ENRGY other minds, while you are just a grave digger. Any smart person will understand that 1000 years from now you will not be thinking the same since the earth will not be being carried on the turtles back.

I have asked you many upon may thought provoking questions that also refer to the QEG, but you don't answer any and just keep saying, “THAT WILL NEVER WORK” my energy will over come your energy plain and simple.

Why do you think rich people don't try hard to make such claims?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhB_cTbwfQQ
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: orbut 3000 on December 03, 2014, 07:13:39 AM
I think Joel is right on track when he asks what a hydro dam is. I wished more people would ask questions like this and challenge the status quo.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 03, 2014, 07:18:44 AM
No Joel, I could have answered all of your silly questions if I wanted to.  But in this thread we are talking about the QEG, that's just the way it is.  The QEG does not work, and the total take by the Fleece the World gang is probably somewhere between $150,000 and $300,000.

That is a lot of money, and time, and energy wasted by a lot of people because a very small group of people were lying.  That is the reality and it's a very unfortunate thing that some people are immoral and commit these types of crimes.  This is just another form of "Munich" and it's disgusting.

Keep your bloody navel gazing to yourself and say something about the QEG if you can.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 03, 2014, 07:21:00 AM
Orbut 3000:

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mr milehigh,you know very well that the QEG is open source technology and I can,t disclose details because the chinese would steal it or the big oil would supress it.

I don't know if you are being sarcastic or if you have mental problems.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 03, 2014, 08:03:55 AM
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No Joel, I could have answered all of your silly questions if I wanted to.  But in this thread we are talking about the QEG, that's just the way it is.

From what I have read from you nothing works and everything you say does work.

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That is a lot of money, and time, and energy wasted by a lot of people because a very small group of people were lying.  That is the reality and it's a very unfortunate thing that some people are immoral and commit these types of crimes.  This is just another form of "Munich" and it's disgusting.

Maybe we are on the same page. But you have to understand when people are trying to take advantage of others VS the POOR (monetary) people that are trying to help others with no money.

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Keep your bloody navel gazing to yourself and say something about the QEG if you can.

I have being speaking about this QEG with all of my navel gazing since it all correlates with it.

The fact of the matter is that there is something there, some “DARK MATTER” that you can't understand. (you don't understand everything?)

I'm sure, regarding the universe laws, that if Nicola Tesla was to follow his original idea, if he where alive, he would make it happen. I find it hard to believe that after many years, things are more focused on the money instead of the benefit for humanity.

Learning is EVOLUTION and beautiful!

All positive energy benefits everyone when it is balanced....money does not balance the UNIVERSAL laws since money does not have any properties in itself...cannot even be used for fuel. There are not dollars in the universe that fuel anything...

So you are money blinded from the facts. Money has no value in the universal laws, it only has value in the GREED. Once money is ELIMINATED, then we can focus more on the INTELLIGENCE and the benefit for humanity.

Stay in an island by yourself with 6 billions dollars and let me see you reproduce with a female, make a house, eat, etc for billions of years....you won't even last 3 months alone a billionaire and that's the cold hard truth. Which will make your eyes see the value of life more than the value of money.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 03, 2014, 08:20:29 AM
Check out the latest from Naima Feagin at the be-do forum.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/pennsylvania-usa/615-james-robitaille-qeg-breakthrough#2885 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/pennsylvania-usa/615-james-robitaille-qeg-breakthrough#2885)

To read that is to laugh out loud. She apparently forgets the utter outrageous lies that she and her mother have told in order to get money from hopeful but uncritical donors.

As late as April 2014, Valerie Robitaille told the Skype chat thread that they ALREADY HAD a WORKING 10kw prototype. A little later, they claimed that the UK builders were HOURS AWAY from self running. The FAQs on the Be-Do forum, and in the last pages of the "opensource plans" still claim that all that is needed is to run it up to resonance and it will run itself, power a house, and it can be started with a crank mechanism. None of these claims, made by Naima Feagin and Valerie Robitaille, are true.

Naima Feagin  made several promises that are just pie in the sky: In September of 2013, well over a year ago, she said that a working prototype would be completed in five weeks and that by the end of 2013 development would be well on the way, with release of running models to the public shortly thereafter. On the strength of these lying claims, people donated many thousands of dollars, and none of the deadlines or projected completion dates were ever actually realized.

Several videos were released in the spring and summer of 2014 claiming that overunity had been attained by the builders of the QEG. As we know, no overunity was actually attained at all, since their measurements were just measurements of reactive VARs in a resonant tank circuit, something that was easily demonstrated using the same measurement techniques and errors, by ME, in an apparatus costing under 50 dollars and with a measurement suite costing less than a thousand dollars... while "HopeGirl" claimed that 75 thousand dollars in test equipment were needed to measure OU in the QEG. This too was a lie, since the oscilloscope and all the rest of the equipment shown could be purchased for about 16 thousand dollars with some left over for pizza. The videos they released then claiming OU were LIES, and were again used to dupe hopeful donors into giving more money.

Is that enough? How about the story of them losing their homes? The reason that happened is because they did not pay their debts, being disciples of Heather Tucci-Jarraf, the principal LIAR of the criminal OPPT organization. The reason that they have all fled to Morocco isn't primarily because of the low cost of living, it is because it puts them beyond the reach of USA justice, since there is no extradition treaty in place between Morocco and the USA. After all, the cost of living in Mexico is even lower than in the resort areas of Morocco where they are now trying to establish a new headquarters to continue Fleecing The World.

working prototype: a lie
hours away from self running: a lie
overunity in VARs: a lie
three thousand Chinese engineers: a lie
75 thousand dollars in test equipment: a lie
etc etc. 

Enough said. You mention me in your lying post, Naima Feagin, and I will continue mentioning you, documenting all the lies you have told. The Internet does not forget, one can still find your old statements and lying claims, your old fundraising campaigns based on lies and promises not kept, and all the rest. Furthermore, no QEG has ever run at all, every one has been always driven by a big electric motor, and no QEG will ever self-run, and you yourself, Naima, have caused hundreds of thousands of dollars and untold person-hours to be utterly wasted. Much of the money spent has found its way into the pockets of the owners of Torelco, and for what? An utterly useless hunk of iron, copper and plastic that does not do what YOU, Naima Feagin, claimed it will do, and never will. You should be ashamed of yourself, but we know you have no shame.

"God told Noah to build an ark and save the world, and God told Jamie to build this QEG and get it running, to save the world." What a crock.  You are truly hopeless, Naima Feagin, and your fanbase is falling apart as they all come to realize it. You have duped poor James Robitaille, who actually believes what you yourself know to be false. I feel sorry for him, caught up in the fantasies, lies and manipulations that you and your mother "Naicheval Robitai" (sic) have foisted upon him. Had he never met the two of you he'd be much better off than he is now: a fugitive, living like a refugee among strangers and criminals.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dvy1214 on December 03, 2014, 09:19:53 AM
I think it may be worth putting money into finding out if they have constructed a legal infrastructure to take all of these donations, because mind you brother koala they come in poverty for poverty with a device for all the people of the world. But seriously if I can produce information damning people like them I will. They are the type of people that this type of work is leaving in the dust. The deluded and devolved. But it is really not their fault that they can't see through the BS because its been reigning BS in America for quite awhile now but this does not excuse their unjust and destructive tendencies. All that I know is that this type of behavior is that last thing that needs to be associated with the alternative energies and if any of you ass swipes involved in promoting are reading this I suggest you watch your damn back because I have a feeling your bosses or leaders or whateverthefuckyouweirdos call them will be getting served soon.






Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 03, 2014, 09:47:54 AM
Hope I can fleece you Girl follows the tried and true tactic of presenting herself as a victim martyr.  But fear not!  As long as someone is willing to put up more cash Naima and the rest of the Robbing Robitailles will be happy to tell tall tales of imminent success.  Just a little more time and money are needed, and a little more, and a little more ...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 03, 2014, 01:58:52 PM
So that South African dude announces that his QEG has reached resonance, pats himself on the back and says that they should all go get a drink and then never returns: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/southafrica2/591-qeg-reaching-resonance-in-cape-town (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/southafrica2/591-qeg-reaching-resonance-in-cape-town)

What gives?

Anyone remember the 1950s movie where a select few people on earth get plans to build a machine, those that succeed get to meet the aliens. I think the same thing is going on here. Once you get a QEG to resonance you mysteriously disappear.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on December 03, 2014, 03:23:13 PM
So that South African dude announces that his QEG has reached resonance, pats himself on the back and says that they should all go get a drink and then never returns: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/southafrica2/591-qeg-reaching-resonance-in-cape-town (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/southafrica2/591-qeg-reaching-resonance-in-cape-town)


Ah but hang on, its not time for the cigar yet, as there are now two more levels of resonance to achieve yet!  ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 03, 2014, 03:34:58 PM
Ah but hang on, its not time for the cigar yet, as there are now two more levels of resonance to achieve yet!  ;D
Yes that's right! But if he truly reaches the 2nd resonance (mechanical vibration of the core laminations), the machine will likely self destruct and there will be red splatter marks all over the walls. This could also be the reason we do not hear from them anymore. James, being such an incompetent "engineer", has not yet reached this stage of resonance. Just a thought!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 03, 2014, 08:02:01 PM
Naima:

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FTW and HopeGirl instantly became the target of paid trolls when we opensourced the QEG. This includes trolls that lurk on Youtube, Energetics forum, Overunity.com, Mark Dancey, Tinsel Koala, the list goes on and on. The question we should all ask is: Are these the behaviors that are going to help humanity and bring through free energy? Or are these the behaviors that will continue to suppress it? Perhaps a better use for that $10K would be to find a good cause, like a village of people living in poverty with no water or electricity and use it there.
 
 Alex isn’t the first to attack, and he won’t be the last. At this stage we will continue to do the work that we have been doing all along and will continue to make everything transparent as this is the remedy for the lies secrecy and suppression. We ask for your support and prayers while we tirelessly press on.

What is going to help humanity is when con artists and fraudsters like you and your sleazy family are exposed and shut down.  Nobody is paid to go after your insignificant little project and you are probably flying under the RADAR with respect to law enforcement.  The simple fact is that that the QEG does not work and never worked.

If we as a collective were to create a list of your and FTW's string of lies, broken promises, and blatant ignoring of your own previous promises and statements it would be a very long and damning list indeed.  It might even get some of your glazed-eyed followers to wake up.

"You will continue to do the work you have been doing."  Well, your bench technician stepfather at this point has been reduced to a glorified monkey testing out things by rote, without really and truly knowing what he is doing.  It's already many months since his severe lack of true electrical engineering knowledge and experience has been exposed for all the world to see by his own statements and actions.  When you glorify your stepfather as being "the next Tesla" it's just one more in a long list of your morally bankrupt and sleazy lies.

Nobody is paying me to point out a bunch of frauds.  That is yet another lie from you.

Naima, you and FTW are at the end of your rope for the QEG project.  You manipulated a bunch of gullible people, just like your OPPT buddies did the same thing.  You are NOT a person of good moral character.

Shame on you Naima for cynically manipulating people with an endless stream of lies in order to solicit funds from them.  Have fun as a subsistence farm labourer when the free money finally dries up.  Also, your Tesla Energy Solutions associates are technically a bunch of bozo the clowns that could not punch their way out of a wet electronics paper bag.

It's all downhill from here Naima.  You name will forever be stained when people do a Google search on you.  If you don't go to jail, then being in the Google "reputation doghouse" is at least some poetic justice for all the people you conned money out of.

Stop trying to deceive yourself Naima, you know what I am saying is true.  You are a morally bankrupt individual pretending that you are trying to "fix the world."  Fix the world my ass.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dvy1214 on December 03, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
FTW = F*ck The World

QED = Questionable Energy Device

There are people who believe that this group of people are doing this to stick it to wall street and I think its honestly hilarious that an incestuous group of hillbillies thought this was a good solution to their problem with rich people.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on December 03, 2014, 09:04:57 PM
Well said, MH.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 04, 2014, 04:20:37 AM
Yes that's right! But if he truly reaches the 2nd resonance (mechanical vibration of the core laminations), the machine will likely self destruct and there will be red splatter marks all over the walls. This could also be the reason we do not hear from them anymore. James, being such an incompetent "engineer", has not yet reached this stage of resonance. Just a thought!
All that plastic potting sure will wreak havoc with any "core lamination resonance". Did "Sir" Timmy Thrapp's "working" QEG have this stuff glommed all over it? I don't think so.

I am telling you, these QEG people are like a television sitcom. It's hilarious to watch them flailing and moaning. Sixteen hour days, for poor old James. What is he doing during those sixteen hours, I wonder? I cannot imagine it. Once it's built and consistently runs up to resonance, what then? Add a capacitor, subtract a capacitor, go to lunch, tweak a trimcap, have coffee, punch "auto" on the scope, run up to resonance, fail to self-run, eat dinner?  I'd love to see a live webcast of Jamie's lab activities during a typical "sixteen hour" workday.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 04, 2014, 05:13:23 AM
Hey, what if James introduces the ShopVac to the citizens of Morocco?  I mean, they probably have a lot of trouble with sand getting into their huts over there, and this could be very useful to them.  Maybe this will work out well after all?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 04, 2014, 05:58:19 AM
Sand? Huts? Did you look at the pictures? That place is like a frigging resort. It makes any place I've ever lived look like a slum or favela. The HypeGirl/OPPT remnants are  not living in misery, I'll tell you that much for free. I think the major problem is that nobody (none of the foreigners anyhow) actually wants, or even knows how, to do anything resembling housework. They are all spoiled rich kids who are used to having someone else wash their dishes and sweep the floors.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 04, 2014, 06:39:03 AM
TK you raise a good point about the plastic potting. Let's imagine for a moment the QEG is a real endeavour, truly open source with real information exchange happening between the "60" QEG teams. Then I would like to ask James if potting the core was a such a good idea. He says he needs mechanical vibration to excite a piezoelectric effect (actually we explored the various magnetic effects of vibration way back when in this thread). Surely vacuum gluing the laminations together with epoxy is the reason the QEG has not achieved OU. James has clearly blown it. This is not the same design as Thrapp's.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 04, 2014, 07:00:54 AM
I'm a guy that is a heavy DIYer, I own many tools and try to buy the most high tech tools. e.g. brushless cordless tools. LED bulb flash lights! Etc etc etc. even in the HVAC systems or automobile engines I understand how they work and to make them last longer, like sticking a magnet in the engine oil filter to catch the micro metal shavings (get rid of the liquid sand paper. How many of you nerds know that eve oil filter have a valve to bypass the filtering when it gets clogged?)...!!! you name it....I probably have more tools than any of you in here.  I can even prove it!!! since you nerds need seeing to believing! Sight is not 100% correct since we have blind sides....YAWN!

Now I stand here as a newbie and watch these people just gang up on one idea and say that this idea is a scam!

Then I watch on youtube, and all over the place, the truth since no one will ever shut up socialism...we now have the technology to prove it beyond just word of mouth.

Time and time again things like these repeat themselves....

http://www.editinternational.com/read.php?id=482881ba117d7

http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/e-wall.html

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYo1QlvK5g

and many more....so if one fails does not mean that such items are not working?

The evidence is all over the place that you have to be either bias or get paid to ignore the truth.

Just like “free checking” accounts! It is free to open one up but with a lot of HIDDEN charges that they feel comfortable to call it FREE because the hidden charges will make a profit from the “free” believers! (corruption - lies)

They want to hide the corruption by humor....so they can leave laughing with their pockets full of money.


At any rate, I thought I was reading intelligent comments here but now i'm disappointed. Lol same old shyt different day. You have the groupies, the know-it-alls, and the have been stuck in the hole people.

NO intelligence what so ever in here just a broken record! Lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 04, 2014, 07:30:30 AM
I'm a guy that is a heavy DIYer, I own many tools and try to buy the most high tech tools. e.g. brushless cordless tools. LED bulb flash lights! Etc etc etc. even in the HVAC systems or automobile engines I understand how they work and to make them last longer, like sticking a magnet in the engine oil filter to catch the micro metal shavings (get rid of the liquid sand paper)...!!! you name it....I probably have more tools than any of you in here.

Now I stand here as a newbie and watch these people just gang up on one idea and say that this idea is a scam!

Then I watch on youtube, and all over the place, the truth since no one will ever shut up socialism...we now have the technology to prove it beyond just word of mouth.

Time and time again things like these repeat themselves....

http://www.editinternational.com/read.php?id=482881ba117d7 (http://www.editinternational.com/read.php?id=482881ba117d7)

http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/e-wall.html (http://amasci.com/weird/unusual/e-wall.html)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYo1QlvK5g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYo1QlvK5g)

and many more....so if one fails does not mean that such items are not working?

The evidence is all over the place that you have to be either bias or get paid to ignore the truth.

Just like “free checking” accounts! It is free to open one up but with a lot of HIDDEN charges that they feel comfortable to call it FREE because the hidden charges will make a profit from the “free” believers! (corruption - lies)

They want to hide the corruption by humor....so they can leave laughing with their pockets full of money.


At any rate, I thought I was reading intelligent comments here but now i'm disappointed. Lol same old shyt different day. You have the groupies, the know-it-alls, and the have been stuck in the hole people.

NO intelligence what so ever in here just a broken record! Lol
http://www.google.com/patents/US4177779

Given that your so handy will you please build one and report back on your results. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 04, 2014, 07:43:56 AM
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Given that your so handy will you please build one and report back on your results. 

um lazy replies require lazy answers, so yes I can.


Lol, you quoted everything I said and just made this non-intelligent answer....lol please!

I can bet you $3000 US dollars that I can fix more stuff in your house than you can? I'm so confident because I have done it many times. If I even begin to picture engine as houses, ohh my, that's so HARD! lol

Let me guess, you did not write that nor have build one yourself you are just being lazy thinking and just using it as a reference to prove a point?

I don't even know what you are trying to point out, but it's a fact theft the USA makes diesel engines that can do 40MPG to the Canadians and the same engine is retarded in the USA to do 20 MPG....FACTS!

Plus, diesel is less refined and takes less ENERGY to make it yet all of a sudden it is expensive.....the trial of bread crumbs bro! all over again!!!

We have backdoors in windows computers, cellphones, phone lines, gaming consoles....yet with all of this supposedly "security" 9/111 happened? you know why, because the "security" is a cover up for cash cow!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 04, 2014, 07:58:38 AM
um lazy replies require lazy answers, so yes I can.


Lol, you quoted everything I said and just made this non-intelligent answer....lol please!

I can bet you $3000 US dollars that I can fix more stuff in your house than you can? I'm so confident because I have done it many times. If I even begin to picture engine as houses, ohh my, that's so HARD! lol

Let me guess, you did not write that nor have build one yourself you are just being lazy thinking and just using it as a reference to prove a point?

I don't even know what you are trying to point out, but it's a fact theft the USA makes diesel engines that can do 40MPG to the Canadians and the same engine is retarded in the USA to do 20 MPG....FACTS!

Plus, diesel is less refined and takes less ENERGY to make it yet all of a sudden it is expensive.....the trial of bread crumbs bro! all over again!!!

We have backdoors in windows computers, cellphones, phone lines, gaming consoles....yet with all of this supposedly "security" 9/111 happened? you know why, because the "security" is a cover up for cash cow!
Yes, that is correct, because I'm lazy and really can not be bothered to give anymore time to someone who gets his kicks from verbally masturbating on this forum each and every day.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 04, 2014, 08:06:41 AM
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Yes, that is correct, because I'm lazy and really can not be bothered to give anymore time to someone who gets his kicks from verbally masturbating on this forum each and every day.

hmmm yeah I masturbate to your comments sexy boy..lol ;)...bend over for me?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on December 04, 2014, 08:52:21 AM



  Hi,
     for those interested in var's Google SYNCHRONOUS CONDENSER and look at images
 or Wiki. Those things put var's into a system to sort out variable PF. problems.
     At the end of the day most things have been used somehow or another!
                          John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 04, 2014, 10:02:43 AM
It's a good thing you didn't offer to make that 3000 dollar bet with ME, joel.
But since you brought it up...

Can you fix your telescope mount motor controller by replacing a 24 pin SMD chip? I can. How about replacing the capacitors and power mosfets in your dark LCD monitor? How about the input FETs of your oscilloscope, got any idea how to fix those?  I can. Got a nibbling tool for enlarging holes in sheet metal, so you can replace a burned out switch from a portable electric heater with one of heavier-duty size without making a mess? I do,  did that three days ago. Got a frequency counter with nine significant digits in the display, an always-on crystal oven for stability and NIST-traceable calibration? How about a modern Shimpo optical tachometer, also with NIST-traceable calibration? Got a GenRad StroboTac? I do. Ever work with serious high voltages (over 100 kV? Over 1 MEGAVOLT??) I have. Clearing out your plumbing or replacing a switch in your microwave oven is child's play, literally. But can you actually _fix_ anything? I repaired two UPS boxes last week, the kitchen sink faucets the week before that, fixed a Kepco HV power supply last month, replaced my car's entire airconditioner system last year.  Overhauled the automatic transmission in my old Chevy pickup truck twenty years ago. Built at least a dozen hot-rod VW engines, completely overhauled the 350 V8 in a '56 Cadillac in the 1980s sometime, including rebuilding the 4-bbl carburetor, sleeving 3 cylinders, grinding the crank and replacing one cylinder head totally due to the dropped valve that killed the engine. And I removed and replaced that engine/transmission assembly _by myself_ without even the aid of an engine hoist. Spent years working in an aircraft engine overhaul facility, building up and then and testing and breaking in engines in the test cells.

You talk about oil filter bypass valves. Do you have a tool designed specifically to _cut open_ an oil filter so you can inspect its filter material for foreign matter, that does not produce shavings or chips of its own while cutting? I do. Does it fit oil filters with different mounting thread sizes? Mine does. Do you have a Snap-On 2 1/8 inch open-end crowsfoot wrench for those Continental oil-filler-tube nuts? How about a set of Mac crowsfoots with 12 drive points? How about some  _square_ sockets for pipe plugs? Got an internal pipe nipple extractor set? Diamond drills for drilling glass and ceramics? Got a lathe, do you? A set of 3/4 inch drive impact sockets, and an air impact wrench to drive them with and a big air compressor to drive the tool? I do. Tiny little table saw with a 4 1/2 inch diameter blade? Big 10 inch table saw with carbide teeth and angled guide fences? A nine-inch throat bandsaw? A set of air conditioner service gauges? An aircraft engine compression tester gauge set? Taps and dies, metric and SAE and extra-special ones too? Spark plug hole re-threaders in several different sizes? Thread repair files to cover sixteen different thread pitches? Click-stop torque wrenches in 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 inch drive, torque multipliers, beam-style torque wrenches, box-end "crowsfeet", wobble extensions, tiny tiny screwdrivers and allen keys and drivers for torx  and security-torx with the stud in the hole, and three-cornered Philips bits and Robertson drive bits and nutdrivers big and small,  I got them all. Screw-machine length (extra short) drill bits? Super long drill bits? Letter, number, fractional inch and metric drill bits? Got them. Safety wire twister pliers in large and small sizes? No? Do you know how to safety-wire a control cable turnbuckle, while lying on your back with your arms up over your head, in the tailcone of a Mooney? I do.

How about aircraft cylinder wrenches for Lycoming and Continental engines? I have a complete set. Cylinder ball hones in sizes to fit just about any ICE cylinder, from 1200 cc VW to PW4360?  Ring compressors, ring expanders, ring gap trimmers? Electronic magneto timing indicator light set? Reverse-fluted drill bits in extra-short lengths for extracting broken studs? Helicoil thread repair sets in several different sizes? Air rivet gun and a set of rivet sets? I do. How about a rivet trimming tool for cutting down protruding flush-rivet heads without damaging the surrounding skin? Got one of those? Check, it's in the grey box, seventh drawer down from the top. Chip-chaser for clearing chips from between riveted panels? Spring-cushioned drillstops?  A manual rivet shortener  so you don't have to stock a bunch of different rivet lengths? Sheet-metal cutting snippers, yellow green and red? Control cable tensiometer?
Can you repair wooden, welded tube-frame and aluminum aircraft structures? Sign them off to return to flight status? Got a FAA license to do that? I do. How about paint? Can you spray catalyzed coatings with your air-spray-gun? How about airbrush for fine detail? Everybody has an airbrush, don't they? How about letter and number stamps in several different sizes? Automatic center punch, precision center finders, toolmaker's right angle standard? 1-2-3 blocks? An abrasive-blast spark plug cleaner? Gapping tool for 4-ground-electrode aviation spark plugs? Got a little numbered tray so you can keep the plugs in the right order for replacement? I do.

Oooh... I see you have an LED flashlight. Do you have one with UV LEDs so you can find uranium glass at the thrift store or garage sales? Do you have MagLites in D, C, AA and AAA sizes? How about a flashlight with a long bendy head so you can stick it where the sun don't shine?  I do.  How about a set of micrometer calipers readable to the ten-thousandth of an inch, covering the range from 0 to 4 inches of diameter? Hole gauges, pin gauges, precision height blocks? Adjustable hole-hones? How about thread-cutting, internal and external, on a lathe? Can you do that? I can.  Can you look around from where you are sitting and see four large rollaround tool cabinets, three top boxes, three smaller hand-boxes,  and have another three-layer rollaround just outside your door? I can... and that's not even all the tools YET. How about tools in other locations, like my three layer Kennedy machinist's cabinet stuffed to the gills with tooling for my miniature lathe and milling machine?

I'm not silly enough to claim that I have more tools than anyone else. I actually know a couple of people that have more. But I seriously doubt, Joel,  that you are one of them.

And keep your sticky fingers the hell away from my tools.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on December 04, 2014, 11:58:57 AM
Good tip there Tinsel,
Replacement capacitor kits for most LCD monitors can be purchased from ebay, I replaced the capacitors in my 22 inch cheapie Viewsonic about 12 months ago, it got 5 or 6 years of service before that. Big money saver, however it requires some skill and tools,
or at least the ability to learn or teach ones self things. The replacement caps are supposed to be good quality Japanese capacitors
so it might last for another 10 years. Uses about 30 Watts or a bit more to run. It's used daily. And much more useful than a QEG.  :)

..

MileHigh, My desktop power supply "looks ok" and all voltages read normal when jumpered to run out of the computer, when the computer went bang it smelled like burned semiconductor, I think one of the Power management mosfets on the motherboard
is fried and it may have damaged other stuff as well. I have a brand new 1200 Watt supply but I refuse to connect it to an old suspected damaged motherboard. I should really upgrade from 2 to 8 processor cores anyway.  ;) MB for Xmas maybe.
ASRock looks good. As long as the HDD in there is still ok I'll be happy enough.

Maybe I should turn it on briefly with the energy meter in the socket then check to see what gets hot and if it's leaking electricity.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on December 04, 2014, 05:32:07 PM
Joel, I don't play the 'mine is bigger than yours' game. I have my specialties, so do you and TK and MH and...So what?
Stick to the facts; ignore personalties.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 05, 2014, 07:36:10 AM
Quote
Can you fix your telescope mount motor controller by replacing a 24 pin SMD chip? I can. How about replacing the capacitors and power mosfets in your dark LCD monitor? How about the input FETs of your oscilloscope, got any idea how to fix those?  I can. Got a nibbling tool for enlarging holes in sheet metal, so you can replace a burned out switch from a portable electric heater with one of heavier-duty size without making a mess? I do,  did that three days ago. Got a frequency counter with nine significant digits in the display, an always-on crystal oven for stability and NIST-traceable calibration? How about a modern Shimpo optical tachometer, also with NIST-traceable calibration? Got a GenRad StroboTac? I do. Ever work with serious high voltages (over 100 kV? Over 1 MEGAVOLT??) I have. Clearing out your plumbing or replacing a switch in your microwave oven is child's play, literally. But can you actually _fix_ anything? I repaired two UPS boxes last week, the kitchen sink faucets the week before that, fixed a Kepco HV power supply last month, replaced my car's entire airconditioner system last year.  Overhauled the automatic transmission in my old Chevy pickup truck twenty years ago. Built at least a dozen hot-rod VW engines, completely overhauled the 350 V8 in a '56 Cadillac in the 1980s sometime, including rebuilding the 4-bbl carburetor, sleeving 3 cylinders, grinding the crank and replacing one cylinder head totally due to the dropped valve that killed the engine. And I removed and replaced that engine/transmission assembly _by myself_ without even the aid of an engine hoist. Spent years working in an aircraft engine overhaul facility, building up and then and testing and breaking in engines in the test cells.

Respect man! This is the type of evidence that shows people whom r separated from the dodo birds.

My respects but you don't believe in “self-looping”?

Why not?

Quote
You talk about oil filter bypass valves. Do you have a tool designed specifically to _cut open_ an oil filter so you can inspect its filter material for foreign matter, that does not produce shavings or chips of its own while cutting? I do. Does it fit oil filters with different mounting thread sizes? Mine does. Do you have a Snap-On 2 1/8 inch open-end crowsfoot wrench for those Continental oil-filler-tube nuts? How about a set of Mac crowsfoots with 12 drive points? How about some  _square_ sockets for pipe plugs? Got an internal pipe nipple extractor set? Diamond drills for drilling glass and ceramics? Got a lathe, do you? A set of 3/4 inch drive impact sockets, and an air impact wrench to drive them with and a big air compressor to drive the tool? I do. Tiny little table saw with a 4 1/2 inch diameter blade? Big 10 inch table saw with carbide teeth and angled guide fences? A nine-inch throat bandsaw? A set of air conditioner service gauges? An aircraft engine compression tester gauge set? Taps and dies, metric and SAE and extra-special ones too? Spark plug hole re-threaders in several different sizes? Thread repair files to cover sixteen different thread pitches? Click-stop torque wrenches in 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 inch drive, torque multipliers, beam-style torque wrenches, box-end "crowsfeet", wobble extensions, tiny tiny screwdrivers and allen keys and drivers for torx  and security-torx with the stud in the hole, and three-cornered Philips bits and Robertson drive bits and nutdrivers big and small,  I got them all. Screw-machine length (extra short) drill bits? Super long drill bits? Letter, number, fractional inch and metric drill bits? Got them. Safety wire twister pliers in large and small sizes? No? Do you know how to safety-wire a control cable turnbuckle, while lying on your back with your arms up over your head, in the tailcone of a Mooney? I do.

Again, respect! I own a lot of tools mostly because I like them and don't even use them...but also I know that they make your life easier. This is the type of answers that really make you stand way wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy farther than milehigh. I can honestly say that you have more neurons than he does...my opinion... you are the hands-on type of person and understand the tools and not just a blah blah blah person.

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How about aircraft cylinder wrenches for Lycoming and Continental engines? I have a complete set. Cylinder ball hones in sizes to fit just about any ICE cylinder, from 1200 cc VW to PW4360?  Ring compressors, ring expanders, ring gap trimmers? Electronic magneto timing indicator light set? Reverse-fluted drill bits in extra-short lengths for extracting broken studs? Helicoil thread repair sets in several different sizes? Air rivet gun and a set of rivet sets? I do. How about a rivet trimming tool for cutting down protruding flush-rivet heads without damaging the surrounding skin? Got one of those? Check, it's in the grey box, seventh drawer down from the top. Chip-chaser for clearing chips from between riveted panels? Spring-cushioned drillstops?  A manual rivet shortener  so you don't have to stock a bunch of different rivet lengths? Sheet-metal cutting snippers, yellow green and red? Control cable tensiometer?
Can you repair wooden, welded tube-frame and aluminum aircraft structures? Sign them off to return to flight status? Got a FAA license to do that? I do. How about paint? Can you spray catalyzed coatings with your air-spray-gun? How about airbrush for fine detail? Everybody has an airbrush, don't they? How about letter and number stamps in several different sizes? Automatic center punch, precision center finders, toolmaker's right angle standard? 1-2-3 blocks? An abrasive-blast spark plug cleaner? Gapping tool for 4-ground-electrode aviation spark plugs? Got a little numbered tray so you can keep the plugs in the right order for replacement? I do.

I see 100% that you are very intelligent man. I respect you based on all of these tools you mentioned. I'm a hoarder of tools. I have soo many that I don't even use. I just admire how they can do the job easier and faster.

The beauty about owning soo many tools and understanding them, is that you can fix the body and a broken engine with them. Like doctors use the same tools a mechanic does...

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Oooh... I see you have an LED flashlight. Do you have one with UV LEDs so you can find uranium glass at the thrift store or garage sales? Do you have MagLites in D, C, AA and AAA sizes? How about a flashlight with a long bendy head so you can stick it where the sun don't shine?  I do.  How about a set of micrometer calipers readable to the ten-thousandth of an inch, covering the range from 0 to 4 inches of diameter? Hole gauges, pin gauges, precision height blocks? Adjustable hole-hones? How about thread-cutting, internal and external, on a lathe? Can you do that? I can.  Can you look around from where you are sitting and see four large rollaround tool cabinets, three top boxes, three smaller hand-boxes,  and have another three-layer rollaround just outside your door? I can... and that's not even all the tools YET. How about tools in other locations, like my three layer Kennedy machinist's cabinet stuffed to the gills with tooling for my miniature lathe and milling machine?

nice man, I see your point and your skills! Hope the others thought and had the skills like you do...makes life easier.

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I'm not silly enough to claim that I have more tools than anyone else. I actually know a couple of people that have more. But I seriously doubt, Joel,  that you are one of them.

I have a lot trust me. And I understand their purpose...to make the “understanding” and “fixing” easier. Like you won't broom a floor with q-tips?

But I do actually am jealous of your tools lol.

Ask milehigh how many he owns? Maybe he only has a walmart tool set. Lol

now, after hearing your facts that you are smarter than the average joe, why don't you believe in “self runners”? Just asking not trying to insult....just seeking an intelligent opinion? 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on December 05, 2014, 12:53:30 PM
@Joel321
Yawn
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 05, 2014, 04:03:52 PM
I have a 12-inch wrench.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 05, 2014, 04:18:58 PM
...and a 3 inch dick.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 05, 2014, 04:38:31 PM
Captain Zero, you have been swallowing too much lithium grease to treat your disorder.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 05, 2014, 07:21:14 PM
I mean, folks c'mon now...how could I possibly pass up a straight line like that ?

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 05, 2014, 10:00:30 PM
I have a Big, sorry I mean King Dick! See Joel we know our tools, you tool!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 05, 2014, 11:15:33 PM
"I have a Big, sorry I mean King Dick!"



I'll bet that was a mouthful.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 06, 2014, 09:32:57 AM
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I have a 12-inch wrench...

...in the tool box getting rusted. Ohhh! You only have one tool? You change a light bulb with your wrench? Lol

I'm pretty confident your tool collection is pretty small like a humming bird tool collector. lol 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 06, 2014, 09:44:35 AM
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I have a Big, sorry I mean King Dick! See Joel we know our tools, you tool!

That wrench looks shriveled compared to mine

 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 06, 2014, 10:42:23 AM
That wrench looks shriveled compared to mine
I'm really not impressed. Yours looks new and unused. My son handing me the smaller of the two collet wrenchs for my router.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 06, 2014, 11:38:21 AM
If that's your wrench.. I'd like to see your toolbox! You've probably got drawers big enough to sleep in!
 ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 06, 2014, 11:39:42 AM
I know you TK and others have already referenced this, but I'm posting it again as there are some here who are ardent believers in the QEG. This is a crack in the dam as more folks that spent $10K+ get pissed. I think he might be one of the supposed "5,000" Chinese engineers! Perhaps it's time to get Kevin fired up. It shouldn't be too long now before he too gets pissed when he takes off his rosy glasses. Has there been any recent news out of Canada? Given the references to you and Overunity it is comforting to know that HG reads this forum. Our work here is at least recognized and I guessed valued, if negatively by FTW and HG. She is clearly starting to feel the heat, and exactly where is the evidence for this statement "There are already devices out there that work, but they are not released to the public". The loss of her parents home is I'm sure the direct result of her being inculcated by the OPPT. James had a job, and they did't just loose their home overnight. He must be drawing a pension. Foreclosure proceedings take time. Perhaps he and his wife could have gotten a job, a real money paying job. Something else was going on here. Oh it must be that they took out a second mortgage to pay Thrapp for the knowledge, that must be it!
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NB:This thread was posted in one of the Skype rooms, with the request from Hopegirl to share this with you on this forum:


[9:27:53 AM] worldimport24 (Alex): HOPE ! I make sure that who ever is typing your name , QEG or FTW in google will find out about your scam , misdeception and fraud you causing and still pushing for , it will be my pleassure to spend an other 10k to put together a team wich will make sure that everybody googles u up is informed and protected, !!!!!!! this will come straight back to you and bite you in your fat ass .....And that will be a REAL breakthrough !!!! PROMISE !!!!


[12:43:44 PM] Hope Moore: With attacks like this, the result is transparency. Alex (worldimport24) is a millionaire located in a lab in Shenzhen China. He assembled a team of engineers and free energy supporters to work on many different devices, including the QEG. I don’t know if he is an engineer himself or just a business man, however he was the main source of funding behind all of it. Recently his group of engineers got into a heated discussion where they spent a lot of time discussing the hierarchy of their team. (how much time was spent actually doing technical work to try to help others working on the QEG we’ll never know) Alex wanted to be CEO, others on the team felt this was too old paradigm and wanted to do it a different way. Apparently the team split up and they are not all working together anymore. Alex was upset because he couldn’t be CEO and decided to take it out on… me and the QEG.


It should be noted that I have never personally met Alex or had any conversations with him directly. So this comment, for me, seemed to come out of no where. I have met and spent time in person with several members of his old team on several occasions. All of them seem like intelligent nice people.
I will keep repeating this: it is the human behaviors of 1) Greed 2) Fear 3) Lies 4) Secrecy 5) Suppression that are the reasons why humanity has waited 130 years to have free energy. Not because it isn’t real, or it’s impossible. There are already devices out there that work, but they are not released to the public.


Our family has acted in the opposite way. We gave away the plans and opened this up for everyone to help us work on it. And we have already paid the price. We lost just about everything material: our car, our home, and a stable source of income, all for the sake of this project. We had to leave our country to move to Morocco because it is one of the few places where we can afford to support our entire family on roughly $1,000 a month. And even with these hardships, WE HAVE NEVER STOPPED WORKING ON THE QEG. Late nights, 16 hour days, 7 days a week for 11 months. That’s how much time we have put into working on the technology to figure it out so that every step of the way we can keep opensourcing it and giving away our findings to humanity. Just last week Jaime finally made a breakthrough that took him months to discover, and we opensourced that too. Because we know that what we are doing is the right thing to do, we have no fear, we communicate with god/creator/source on a daily basis and continue to ask for divine protection and guidance every step of the way.


I am not writing this as a response directly to Alex. I am writing this to all the others in this QEGCICU room. Our family will not stop working on this. We have the diligence to follow through, NO MATTER WHAT. Because we believe that this may be the only way that humanity is going to have free energy: if one group were selfless enough to just DO THE WORK AND GIVE IT AWAY. We’ve already tried all the other ways, the patents, the ownership, the greed, the ego battles. We’ve been doing that for 100 years. IT HASN’T WORKED.


In reference to Alex spending $10,000 to put together a team to ensure that everyone that types my name into google comes up with the word scam next to the QEG, it should be noted that the governments and the energy company’s have already beat you to it. Edward Snowden leaked documents that show proof in the form of actual power point slides from the internal training that they put their paid trolls through in order to discredit anyone on the internet that may do something to disrupt their power structure. I wrote a full report on it here if anyone cares to see the evidence of this fact for themselves. hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2014/03/02/pu...itive-change-agents/


FTW and HopeGirl instantly became the target of paid trolls when we opensourced the QEG. This includes trolls that lurk on Youtube, Energetics forum, Overunity.com, Mark Dancey, Tinsel Koala, the list goes on and on. The question we should all ask is: Are these the behaviors that are going to help humanity and bring through free energy? Or are these the behaviors that will continue to suppress it? Perhaps a better use for that $10K would be to find a good cause, like a village of people living in poverty with no water or electricity and use it there.


Alex isn’t the first to attack, and he won’t be the last. At this stage we will continue to do the work that we have been doing all along and will continue to make everything transparent as this is the remedy for the lies secrecy and suppression. We ask for your support and prayers while we tirelessly press on.

-Hope
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 06, 2014, 12:06:44 PM
If that's your wrench.. I'd like to see your toolbox! You've probably got drawers big enough to sleep in!
 ;D
My "drawers" are large given what I have to pack into them.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 06, 2014, 01:19:49 PM
Attached is a cheap solid state QEG.
Maybe something for TK to try out?
If you make the L1 coil with a lot of
turns, then you can get a high voltage
resonant tank circuit, just like in the
motor version of the QEG.

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 06, 2014, 03:39:12 PM
Some Saturday morning humor, at least for us; wrestling with how to dampen the output of the QEG when driving a load in overunity mode. Priceless!

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/567-development-of-the-qeg (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-general-topics/567-development-of-the-qeg)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 06, 2014, 06:45:31 PM
Attached is a cheap solid state QEG.
Maybe something for TK to try out?
If you make the L1 coil with a lot of
turns, then you can get a high voltage
resonant tank circuit, just like in the
motor version of the QEG.

GL.
If the capacitor is tuned to resonate with the magnetizing inductance at the line frequency, then the overall circuit will store but not pass much energy at the line frequency.  By gosh, I think you've got it!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 06, 2014, 07:06:39 PM
If the capacitor is tuned to resonate with the magnetizing inductance at the line frequency, then the overall circuit will store but not pass much energy at the line frequency.  By gosh, I think you've got it!

Hi Mark,

I have not tested this circuit on mains voltage, but I did build a smaller version based on 12 volt DC input
using a oscillator. I did forward the pulses from the oscillator with a diode to the center coil. My best
performance on my solid state oscillator setup was 29 Watt input and 25 Watt output, only wasting
some few watt as heat in the transistor and the bias resistor. It was a lot of work to tune the center
coil to oscillator frequency resonance.  I think one important feature of this setup is that one actually
can use the center coil oscillations as a switch between the two cores so that real power can be
transferred between both cores at small losses. You will off cause have the losses in the wires but
the core losses can be minimized by using Metglas cores. I'm currently working on a low voltage
version (oscillator based input) where I hope to auto tune the oscillator by using a trigger coil
that is common between both cores. My hope is that I can use one D-cell 1,5V battery at the input
and then power one 10 to 15 Watt 230VAC LED light bulb at the output, wasting very little energy
as heat.

EDIT: Attached the circuit I did test last year.

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 06, 2014, 07:55:26 PM
Groundloop, yes with two good transformers your coupling should be pretty efficient.  Now add the resonating capacitor and tune it to your operating frequency and watch the power transfer fall to a dribble.  In essence the magnetizing inductance of the windings and the parallel capacitor forms a parallel tank that has an impedance maximum at the resonant frequency.  That impedance appears in series with the load.  The higher the Q, IE the better the resonance, the less power that can get to the load.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 06, 2014, 08:03:57 PM
Groundloop, yes with two good transformers your coupling should be pretty efficient.  Now add the resonating capacitor and tune it to your operating frequency and watch the power transfer fall to a dribble.  In essence the magnetizing inductance of the windings and the parallel capacitor forms a parallel tank that has an impedance maximum at the resonant frequency.  That impedance appears in series with the load.  The higher the Q, IE the better the resonance, the less power that can get to the load.

Mark,

As I said, I have not tested the mains version but I have built and tested the solid state low voltage version.

Can you explain to me why I'm seeing the opposite happening when testing my solid state low voltage setup?
When the center coil is tuned close to the oscillator frequency then I get very good output. When the center
coil is tuned far from the oscillator frequency then I get very poor output.

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 06, 2014, 08:54:38 PM
Mark,

As I said, I have not tested the mains version but I have built and tested the solid state low voltage version.

Can you explain to me why I'm seeing the opposite happening when testing my solid state low voltage setup?
When the center coil is tuned close to the oscillator frequency then I get very good output. When the center
coil is tuned far from the oscillator frequency then I get very poor output.

GL.
Sure it's because I didn't look closely enough.  A series resonant configuration imposes minimum series impedance at resonance.  If the capacitor were in parallel to the windings then it would be a parallel resonant network and would pass minimum power from the input to the output at resonance.  The other thing to note is that it is the uncoupled inductance, IE the apparent leakage inductance that contributes to the LC tank.  The coupled portion does not.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 06, 2014, 09:11:10 PM
Sure it's because I didn't look closely enough.  A series resonant configuration imposes minimum series impedance at resonance.  If the capacitor were in parallel to the windings then it would be a parallel resonant network and would pass minimum power from the input to the output at resonance.  The other thing to note is that it is the uncoupled inductance, IE the apparent leakage inductance that contributes to the LC tank.  The coupled portion does not.

Mark,

Thank you for taking time to look at this.

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 06, 2014, 10:24:42 PM
So where does the "Overunity" leak in, then?   ???

That is, what is it about these common circuits that makes people like Thane Heins, Bill Alek, the QEGites and others believe that they are, or could be, OU in any way? How are they seduced into making measurements that indicate, to them, that there is something unusual or new happening in the circuits? Is it simply the voltage rise in the resonant tank?

 ::)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 06, 2014, 10:35:20 PM
So where does the "Overunity" leak in, then?   ???

That is, what is it about these common circuits that makes people like Thane Heins, Bill Alek, the QEGites and others believe that they are, or could be, OU in any way? How are they seduced into making measurements that indicate, to them, that there is something unusual or new happening in the circuits? Is it simply the voltage rise in the resonant tank?

 ::)

Hi TK,

Are you talking about my circuits posted here?

I have not claimed any OU in those circuits, ever. My goal with those circuits is to make a low loss
unit for powering mains voltage LED bulbs from one 1,5 Volt D-cell battery.

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 06, 2014, 10:58:23 PM
Hi TK,

Are you talking about my circuits posted here?

I have not claimed any OU in those circuits, ever. My goal with those circuits is to make a low loss
unit for powering mains voltage LED bulbs from one 1,5 Volt D-cell battery.

GL.

I am talking about circuits virtually identical to yours, using coupled toroidal or other styles of transformers, "Bitoroids" or William Alek's transformers or many others we see, such as the QEG itself. I know that _YOU_ do not make such mistakes or claims.

But why-how do other people find it so easy to fool themselves with these kinds of circuits involving coupled toroidal transformers, or other shapes of transformers? We see it all the time. You may recall that we have even seen at least one actual Professor of Physics, formerly at a well-respected university, claiming that a simple Joule Thief circuit was massively OU.

I think it is the resonant rise, combined with a lack of understanding of reactive "power", combined with a general misunderstanding or poor understanding of power measurements in general. But it would be good to have a more rigorous analysis of this "fail" than I can provide, so I am asking you and MarkE and whomever else may be interested (and qualified) to help explain how spurious measurements in these circuits can lead to false claims of "overunity".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on December 06, 2014, 11:21:43 PM



    My teacher told me that vars were "parasitic", that should tell us something!
I was looking at Amtrak's 25 hz system and it's amazing what they got up to in
the olden days. Those robust old machines sure could take some stick.
            John.
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 07, 2014, 01:05:26 AM
I am talking about circuits virtually identical to yours, using coupled toroidal or other styles of transformers, "Bitoroids" or William Alek's transformers or many others we see, such as the QEG itself. I know that _YOU_ do not make such mistakes or claims.

But why-how do other people find it so easy to fool themselves with these kinds of circuits involving coupled toroidal transformers, or other shapes of transformers? We see it all the time. You may recall that we have even seen at least one actual Professor of Physics, formerly at a well-respected university, claiming that a simple Joule Thief circuit was massively OU.

I think it is the resonant rise, combined with a lack of understanding of reactive "power", combined with a general misunderstanding or poor understanding of power measurements in general. But it would be good to have a more rigorous analysis of this "fail" than I can provide, so I am asking you and MarkE and whomever else may be interested (and qualified) to help explain how spurious measurements in these circuits can lead to false claims of "overunity".
From comments I saw at the time the professor's problem was a combination of factors:

Failure to understand the conventional theory behavior of the circuit under test.  The transformer and the base capacitor do not form a tank circuit. 
Failure to confirm extraordinary apparent measurements with an independent technique.
Failure to conduct control experiments.  Both input and output average power levels are easily measured using decoupling networks.  This was never done.
Failure to understand and use oscilloscope probes properly.  He did not understand the effects of the huge induction loops in his wiring and his scope probes.

I don't know if he has renounced all claim to over unity with that very under unity circuit of his.  But, I do note that at least as of two years ago he renounced the "8X overunity" claim:

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Re: Mark Dansie claims this solid-state device works...
« Reply #24 on: 2012-11-23, 18:07:40 »
   
  Perhaps I did not make myself clear, so let me restate:  I do not claim that my little reverse-JT device produces 8x more energy out than in; while I continue to pursue various paths seeking a device to benefit mankind.

On this video interview with Sterling Allan he was definitely claiming over unity:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ne7tj5VT_lw
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 07, 2014, 01:07:36 AM
Hi TK,

Are you talking about my circuits posted here?

I have not claimed any OU in those circuits, ever. My goal with those circuits is to make a low loss
unit for powering mains voltage LED bulbs from one 1,5 Volt D-cell battery.

GL.
A NiMH AA would be better than an alkaline D for that application as it has much lower internal resistance. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 07, 2014, 06:17:42 PM
A NiMH AA would be better than an alkaline D for that application as it has much lower internal resistance.

Mark,

I have a question for you. If you first feed a Ferrite cored tank circuit to store energy in the tank circuit,
and then switch off the input and simultaneous switch in more Ferrite core material, then will the stored
energy in the tank circuit increase because you did change the inductance to a higher value?
(Let us assume that you can switch in more Ferrite material very fast without any losses in this thought experiment.)

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 07, 2014, 09:08:02 PM
You may find this paper of interest:

http://emph.com.ua/11/pdf/fowler.pdf
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 07, 2014, 09:23:01 PM
Mark,

I have a question for you. If you first feed a Ferrite cored tank circuit to store energy in the tank circuit,
and then switch off the input and simultaneous switch in more Ferrite core material, then will the stored
energy in the tank circuit increase because you did change the inductance to a higher value?
(Let us assume that you can switch in more Ferrite material very fast without any losses in this thought experiment.)

GL.
The energy stored in a magnetic field is the integral of B*H.  In your scenario, H is fixed, but B could potentially go up.  In order to make B go up you will have to perform work.  A complication is that the energy in the tank is alternating between the electric and magnetic fields.  When you change B relative to H, you change the time constant of the network immediately detuning it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 08, 2014, 09:01:16 PM
The energy stored in a magnetic field is the integral of B*H.  In your scenario, H is fixed, but B could potentially go up.  In order to make B go up you will have to perform work.  A complication is that the energy in the tank is alternating between the electric and magnetic fields.  When you change B relative to H, you change the time constant of the network immediately detuning it.

Mark,

De-tuning the L/C tank circuit is not a problem since the input is turned off before we add core material to the coil.
We only need to know the resonant frequency when the input is running. But I feel you have not answered my
question, does the stored energy in the tank circuit increase or decrease when we "magically" add more core
material to the coil? Let us assume we add that core material very fast and at no energy usage to do so.

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 08, 2014, 09:24:59 PM
Mark,

De-tuning the L/C tank circuit is not a problem since the input is turned off before we add core material to the coil.
We only need to know the resonant frequency when the input is running. But I feel you have not answered my
question, does the stored energy in the tank circuit increase or decrease when we "magically" add more core
material to the coil? Let us assume we add that core material very fast and at no energy usage to do so.

GL.
Let me rephrase your question then:  "Given two tank circuits, one using larger toriods than the other, which circuit stores more energy?"  The answer is:  "There is not enough information supplied to answer the question."  A bigger form can store more energy before it saturates than a smaller toroid.  As you change the dimensions of the toroid the inductance per turn changes as does the resistance per turn.  The ratio of the inductive reactance to the resistance at the resonant frequency determines hat fraction of stored energy is lost each cycle, IE it determines the Q factor.  The inductance and the peak current determine the peak stored energy.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dvy1214 on December 08, 2014, 09:31:38 PM
Mark,

De-tuning the L/C tank circuit is not a problem since the input is turned off before we add core material to the coil.
We only need to know the resonant frequency when the input is running. But I feel you have not answered my
question, does the stored energy in the tank circuit increase or decrease when we "magically" add more core
material to the coil? Let us assume we add that core material very fast and at no energy usage to do so.

GL.

Might be wrong but studying magneto restrictive materials along with basic understanding of why magnetism manifests IE organization of domains(which costs energy) plus the realization that what you are asking is actually impossible(" Let us assume we add that core material very fast and at no energy usage to do so") might help you come to a conclusion.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 08, 2014, 09:37:54 PM
Groundloop:

I usually find simple examples like that fun.  There is a limitation or perhaps we can call it a flaw in the logic of your example.  However, I would prefer to discuss that later.

Permit me to give you a very simple and related example.  Just like in your example, we will assume everything is based on idealized components (zero wire resistance, etc.)  I think my example will give you some insight into your example.

You have two coils in series, Coil A and Coil B.  The "left side" of Coil A connects to the "right side" of Coil B to form a  circuit.  In other words, the current flows through Coil A, then through Coil B, and then back to Coil A.  There is no magnetic coupling at all between Coil A and Coil B.

When you start the experiment there is a zero-ohm jumper across Coil B, effectively taking it out of the circuit.  There is no current flowing through Coil B at the start of the experiment.

To start the experiment, by "magic" you have one ampere of current flowing through the circuit.   So that means there is one amp flowing through Coil A, and Coil B is being bypassed because of the zero-ohm jumper.

Now since this is an idealized example, if you do not disturb the circuit, current will flow through Coil A forever.

So the question is, what happens when you remove the shorting jumper across Coil B so that it becomes part of the circuit?

(MarkE and other regulars who know please don't answer.)

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 08, 2014, 09:41:22 PM
Let me rephrase your question then:  "Given two tank circuits, one using larger toriods than the other, which circuit stores more energy?"  The answer is:  "There is not enough information supplied to answer the question."  A bigger form can store more energy before it saturates than a smaller toroid.  As you change the dimensions of the toroid the inductance per turn changes as does the resistance per turn.  The ratio of the inductive reactance to the resistance at the resonant frequency determines hat fraction of stored energy is lost each cycle, IE it determines the Q factor.  The inductance and the peak current determine the peak stored energy.

Mark,

It IS a very simple question, there is just one coil with a ferrite core and one capacitor in parallel with the coil.

First we connect an oscillator to the L/C tank circuit and store some energy into the tank circuit, then
we disconnect the oscillator. At the same time we increase the Ferrite core to double size and connect
the tank circuit to a load to measure the output. Will the output be higher or lower than the energy inputted
into the tank circuit when we increase the size of the ferrite core?

I do not think I can explain it simpler than this.

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 08, 2014, 09:43:42 PM
Groundloop:

I usually find simple examples like that fun.  There is a limitation or perhaps we can call it a flaw in the logic of your example.  However, I would prefer to discuss that later.

Permit me to give you a very simple and related example.  Just like in your example, we will assume everything is based on idealized components (zero wire resistance, etc.)  I think my example will give you some insight into your example.

You have two coils in series, Coil A and Coil B.  The "left side" of Coil A connects to the "right side" of Coil B to form a  circuit.  In other words, the current flows through Coil A, then through Coil B, and then back to Coil A.  There is no magnetic coupling at all between Coil A and Coil B.

When you start the experiment there is a zero-ohm jumper across Coil B, effectively taking it out of the circuit.  There is no current flowing through Coil B at the start of the experiment.

To start the experiment, by "magic" you have one ampere of current flowing through the circuit.   So that means there is one amp flowing through Coil A, and Coil B is being bypassed because of the zero-ohm jumper.

Now since this is an idealized example, if you do not disturb the circuit, current will flow through Coil A forever.

So the question is, what happens when you remove the shorting jumper across Coil B so that it becomes part of the circuit?

(MarkE and other regulars who know please don't answer.)

MileHigh

Mile,

I have a question for you, what happen to the stored energy in a not connected L/C tank circuit if you double
the core size after you have charged the tank circuit?

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 08, 2014, 09:45:32 PM
Might be wrong but studying magneto restrictive materials along with basic understanding of why magnetism manifests IE organization of domains(which costs energy) plus the realization that what you are asking is actually impossible(" Let us assume we add that core material very fast and at no energy usage to do so") might help you come to a conclusion.

>>that what you are asking is actually impossible

This is only a thought experiment and it is not impossible to increase you core size in a thought experiment.

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dvy1214 on December 08, 2014, 09:50:39 PM
Ok then sure its possible if things could manifest out of the abstract into concrete reality unimpinged upon by the laws of physics. Thats a really useful thought experiment.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 08, 2014, 09:53:44 PM
Mile,

I have a question for you, what happen to the stored energy in a not connected L/C tank circuit if you double
the core size after you have charged the tank circuit?

GL.

I will give you a simple answer.  I will assume that the core is not saturated in all cases.  I will assume that the dimensions of the coil do not change.  The permeability of the core affects the inductance of the coil as "seen" by the coil.   If you add more core material, then the permeability of the core will not really change, as "seen" by the coil.

So the simple answer is nothing changes.

If you think of the core as a "tank" to sore energy then think if this:   You have a 5-liter tank that is filled with two liters of water.  Now you change to a 10-liter tank, but it still is filled with two liters of water.   Nothing has really changed.

The water represents the stored energy in the (coil + core) combination.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 08, 2014, 09:58:21 PM
I will give you a simple answer.  I will assume that the core is not saturated in all cases.  I will assume that the dimensions of the coil do not change.  The permeability of the core affects the inductance of the coil as "seen" by the coil.   If you add more core material, then the permeability of the core will not really change, as "seen" by the coil.

So the simple answer is nothing changes.

If you think of the core as a "tank" to sore energy then think if this:   You have a 5-liter tank that is filled with two liters of water.  Now you change to a 10-liter tank, but it still is filled with two liters of water.   Nothing has really changed.

The water represents the stored energy in the (coil + core) combination.

MileHigh

Mile,

Thank you, that was a clear answer. There is one thing that will change and that is the resonant
frequency of the L/C circuit. If will go down when you add the core material.

Thanks,
GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 08, 2014, 09:58:25 PM
Mark,

It IS a very simple question, there is just one coil with a ferrite core and one capacitor in parallel with the coil.

First we connect an oscillator to the L/C tank circuit and store some energy into the tank circuit, then
we disconnect the oscillator. At the same time we increase the Ferrite core to double size and connect
the tank circuit to a load to measure the output. Will the output be higher or lower than the energy inputted
into the tank circuit when we increase the size of the ferrite core?

I do not think I can explain it simpler than this.

GL.
Inductance per turn goes down, stored energy goes down.  Work was done "pulling" the extra core material into the Terminator Inductor.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 08, 2014, 10:01:42 PM
All,

Now the next question.

Do we need to use any energy to switch a AC signal from L1 and to L3 by shorting the L2 coil?
(I know there will be some losses and the output will be lower than the input signal.)

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 08, 2014, 10:03:26 PM
Inductance per turn goes down, stored energy goes down.  Work was done "pulling" the extra core material into the Terminator Inductor.

Mark,

Thanks, so if we do the opposite, take away core material, then the stored energy will go up?

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 08, 2014, 10:16:58 PM
Mile,

Thank you, that was a clear answer. There is one thing that will change and that is the resonant
frequency of the L/C circuit. If will go down when you add the core material.

Thanks,
GL.

Yes, because you now are in the real world and you deviate from my idealized response to you.  The assumption is that adding core material will marginally increase the permeability of the core due to the increased amount of core material.  Therefore the inductance will increase and then the resonant frequency will go down.

But during this whole discussion your information about the geometry is incomplete because you don't say anything, nor do you describe your own setup.  In the real world you must have all of the information.

For example, suppose the core is a cylinder that is 2.0 cm in diameter and 10 cm in length.  You measure the inductance of the coil.  Then you add a hollow cylinder of core material that fits over the original cylindrical core so that the new core is a solid cylinder that is 2.5 cm in diameter and 10 cm in length.  If you do not saturate the core in both setups then the difference in measured inductance between the two setups will probably be less than 1%,

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 08, 2014, 10:18:58 PM
Mark,

Thanks, so if we do the opposite, take away core material, then the stored energy will go up?

GL.

Changing the amount of core material by "magic" will not change the amount of stored magnetic energy.  Energy does not materialize out of "nowhere."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 08, 2014, 11:13:52 PM
Changing the amount of core material by "magic" will not change the amount of stored magnetic energy.  Energy does not materialize out of "nowhere."

Mile,

I agree 100%, energy can not be created out of nowhere. But here is some thoughts, if the amperage
flowing in the coil (tank circuit at resonance) has reached its maximum and all the energy is stored in
the magnetic field, and at that exact time we switch in more core material, then the inductance will go
up, and the current has not have any time to go down, then the total energy stored in the magnetic field
must go up, because that is what the math formulas is telling us. Energy stored in a magnetic field = 1/2*L*I*I.
So if the ampere is constant before the added core and after the added core, then the inductance L will be higher
and the stored magnetic energy will be higher. Am I wrong about this?

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dvy1214 on December 08, 2014, 11:32:58 PM
Mile,

I agree 100%, energy can not be created out of nowhere. But here is some thoughts, if the amperage
flowing in the coil (tank circuit at resonance) has reached its maximum and all the energy is stored in
the magnetic field, and at that exact time we switch in more core material, then the inductance will go
up, and the current has not have any time to go down, then the total energy stored in the magnetic field
must go up, because that is what the math formulas is telling us. Energy stored in a magnetic field = 1/2*L*I*I.
So if the ampere is constant before the added core and after the added core, then the inductance L will be higher
and the stored magnetic energy will be higher. Am I wrong about this?

GL.

My understanding is that inductance is actualized by current. I do not believe that sort of transient phenomenon would be received by the current in the fashion of rise in W.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 08, 2014, 11:56:15 PM
My understanding is that inductance is actualized by current. I do not believe that sort of transient phenomenon would be received by the current in the fashion of rise in W.

Dvy,

It is a fact that the the resonant frequency goes down when we add core material. The only way
the resonant frequency can go down is by the result of a change in the inductance to a higher
value. So if the inductance is changing to a higher value and everything else is constant, e.g. current,
then must not the stored magnetic energy also change to a higher value? Or will the current change
to a lower amperage when we increase the inductance by adding core material?

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 09, 2014, 12:07:10 AM
All,

Now the next question.

Do we need to use any energy to switch a AC signal from L1 and to L3 by shorting the L2 coil?
(I know there will be some losses and the output will be lower than the input signal.)

GL.
This garden path leads nowhere. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 09, 2014, 12:10:40 AM
This garden path leads nowhere.

Mark,

Why do you think that? Back to the question, do we need to use any energy to switch the input to the output
by shorting the middle coil?

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 09, 2014, 12:40:01 AM
Mark,

Why do you think that? Back to the question, do we need to use any energy to switch the input to the output
by shorting the middle coil?

GL.
GL you are building a house of cards on top of one impossible premise after another.  There is no meaningful conclusion that can ultimately result. 

Closing the connection on the middle coil requires energy transfer to magnetize the right hand transformer.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on December 09, 2014, 12:45:32 AM
All,

Now the next question.

Do we need to use any energy to switch a AC signal from L1 and to L3 by shorting the L2 coil?
(I know there will be some losses and the output will be lower than the input signal.)

GL.

In an ideal transformer, if you short-circuit  L2, you  short-circuit the power who is connected to  IN...

 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Farmhand on December 09, 2014, 12:47:22 AM
Considering that we know energy and for that matter (no thing) can be created from nothing, then if more core material is added
at the maxima of the magnetic part of the L/C oscillation and that increases the inductance, the only things that could happen
would be limited, 1) the period would be changed, 2) the magnetic field energy would take longer to transfer to the capacitor,
3) if the system was in resonance the tuning would be changed.

The logical result is usually quite simple and as correct as can be. I mean what else could happen ? Gee wizz.

..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Groundloop on December 09, 2014, 12:56:14 AM
GL you are building a house of cards on top of one impossible premise after another.  There is no meaningful conclusion that can ultimately result. 

Closing the connection on the middle coil requires energy transfer to magnetize the right hand transformer.

Mark,

>>Closing the connection on the middle coil requires energy transfer to magnetize the right hand transformer.

Agree 100% on your last sentence, but that was not the question. The question was, do you need to use any energy
(or actually very little energy) to short the middle coil to be able to transport energy from the input
to the output.  Don't bother to answer. You can actually transfer AC or pulsed DC from the input
to the output by shorting the middle coil. So this setup is a on/off switch for that energy transfer based
on the status of the middle coil (shorted or not). And you do not need to spend any energy to switch the middle coil.

In real life you need to use an transistor or relay to switch the middle coil, so by using very little energy, you can switch
on and off a large energy from the input to the output. So I'm not building anything based on an impossible premise.
I'm basing my thought process on real life research that I have done on magnetic amplifier setup using
toroid cores and coils during the past two years.

GL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 09, 2014, 02:48:15 AM
Mark,

>>Closing the connection on the middle coil requires energy transfer to magnetize the right hand transformer.

Agree 100% on your last sentence, but that was not the question. The question was, do you need to use any energy
(or actually very little energy) to short the middle coil to be able to transport energy from the input
to the output.  Don't bother to answer. You can actually transfer AC or pulsed DC from the input
to the output by shorting the middle coil. So this setup is a on/off switch for that energy transfer based
on the status of the middle coil (shorted or not). And you do not need to spend any energy to switch the middle coil.

In real life you need to use an transistor or relay to switch the middle coil, so by using very little energy, you can switch
on and off a large energy from the input to the output. So I'm not building anything based on an impossible premise.
I'm basing my thought process on real life research that I have done on magnetic amplifier setup using
toroid cores and coils during the past two years.

GL.
Whatever scheme you are cooking up the energy required to operate the switches that change the system state is in the noise.  It is the system states that matter, and each one of these operations is lossy.  Devise any switching mechanism you like and you will find that the First and Second Laws of Energy will not be defeated. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 09, 2014, 02:53:30 AM
Groundloop:

Quote
if the amperage
flowing in the coil (tank circuit at resonance) has reached its maximum and all the energy is stored in
the magnetic field, and at that exact time we switch in more core material, then the inductance will go
up, and the current has not have any time to go down, then the total energy stored in the magnetic field
must go up, because that is what the math formulas is telling us. Energy stored in a magnetic field = 1/2*L*I*I.
So if the ampere is constant before the added core and after the added core, then the inductance L will be higher
and the stored magnetic energy will be higher. Am I wrong about this?

I suggest that you take a look at my very simple example and try to answer it.  Once we we get the answer for my example then take a second look at your example above.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 09, 2014, 04:04:29 AM
Hey Joel! Here's your chance!

Free Energy, guaranteed by HopeGirl, only 5500 dollars US!

Quote
Due to financial issues we have to offer our QEG project parts for sale.
 All parts are new and have not been assembled.
 We have a Torelco Gen II core, rotor, Shaft, endplates, shrouds, bearings, unopened new certified Loctite 640 and hardener, 2 hp Leeson motor, Variac with Bridge,6- 240v 100w light bulb load board, Pulleys for rotor and motor, Exciter coil built with spark gap and mica variable capacitor, RF meter, 900 ft of 14 AWG wire.  We are in the San Diego area. $5,500 If you are interested please send an email
 to (email redacted)

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/wanted-offered/620-qeg-parts-for-sale#2899
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 09, 2014, 05:08:28 AM
Hey Joel! Here's your chance!

Free Energy, guaranteed by HopeGirl, only 5500 dollars US!

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/wanted-offered/620-qeg-parts-for-sale#2899
So the Robbing Robitailles are willing to forgo their very own hold on perpetual energy for just $5500.  Demand for their consulting services must not be very strong.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 09, 2014, 06:30:35 AM
So the Robbing Robitailles are willing to forgo their very own hold on perpetual energy for just $5500.  Demand for their consulting services must not be very strong.
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the Robitailles were selling out. This offer appears to be from a builder in San Diego who has "lost the faith" and found better uses for the money and time.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on December 09, 2014, 06:33:06 AM
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that the Robitailles were selling out. This offer appears to be from a builder in San Diego who has "lost the faith" and found better uses for the money and time.
Oh, it is only one of their victims who wants out. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 09, 2014, 07:20:34 AM
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Hey Joel! Here's your chance!

Free Energy, guaranteed by HopeGirl, only 5500 dollars US!

That's funny and sad at the same time. What only means is that there is more corruption than truth seekers. After all, we are social animals and we need to socialize to create great things. Three people CANNOT bring out the truth and they are just that bright light of hope that keeps the domino effect going. What do I mean? The truth can't die no matter how hard you try!!! IT NEVER WILL.

I personally don't find anything hard in life and don't care about the value of money because I would just die rich with virtual #'s in my bank account. I just want to make everyone see the truth and forget about money. Since money does not make the wold go round. Life does. All of this life and energy has a purpose to “feed” other energy life. It is a perfect geometrical wave that it resonates at a certain frequency. That frequency can only work on the resonance and cannot work any other way. That's life and has been happening for millions of years. The frequency can be any numbers or symbols. The end result is always the same.

So we have this GREEED filter to cover up the truth and these honest human individuals that really want to find the truth being erased from time like nikola tesla was or how “god” was. Yet, we are learning from their mental waves to this day because they tried and never have up seeking truth.

$5500 US dollars is not a lot of money to me. What I want is the world to be poverty-freee, ignorance-freee, corruption-freee. But one cannot have it all but this movement is very very very eye opening.

BASED on all of the evidence being combined in one milkyway, the truth is that FREEE energy exists and that we are only gathers of this FREEE energy given by the source. There is no Ifs or WHATs about it. 100% facts that FREEE energy is real and we are just gatherers of it.

Aliens are future humans that come back and teaches us! Yeah I said “aliens” from another milky pot of the universal energy. The GOD of our universe is not about money, is not about the high quality HD TV . Is not about gold rolex, or the biggest diamond. Because at the end of the day, they don't have ENERGY value as to keep the “evolution” going.

I already mentioned let me see you stuck in an island by yourself with 6 billion dollars of cash and then see how you evolve regarding natures LAWS of life.

Open your eyes and maybe, maybe, the unconscious mind will help you get in contact with those good willing aliens that may give you the recipie for a self-running item in your dream or in person.  8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 09, 2014, 04:17:48 PM
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 09, 2014, 04:19:16 PM

$5500 US dollars is not a lot of money to me. What I want is the world to be poverty-freee, ignorance-freee, corruption-freee. But one cannot have it all but this movement is very very very eye opening.
Hey Joel! I have an idea. This is a sincere offer. I'm not mucking about. Why not buy the QEG on offer in California and have it shipped to me in NJ. I'm actually only about 15 miles from where the core was wound. I'm a fully "vetted" electronic and electrical engineer. I'll get in up and running and ensure that the effort is truly open source (open kimono). I have most if not  all the test equipment to get the job done, plus a full industrial workshop. I'm in the manufacturing business. I reckon with a bit of negotiation you could get these parts for quite a bit less then he is asking. Also I have a freight account so I'll pay for the shipping and any additional parts needed to get this thing up and running. What do you think?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 10, 2014, 05:00:38 PM
Interesting that Joel has not taken me up on my offer. I guess he is all mouth and no action!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dvy1214 on December 10, 2014, 08:37:29 PM
Interesting that Joel has not taken me up on my offer. I guess he is all mouth and no action!

If your down I am totally willing to hunt these folks down and offer them a hand properly testing and analyzing their system. In my opinion they first need help breaking the delusion then a couple years of therapy to undo the damage.

- Dave
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 11, 2014, 12:38:36 AM
If your down I am totally willing to hunt these folks down and offer them a hand properly testing and analyzing their system. In my opinion they first need help breaking the delusion then a couple years of therapy to undo the damage.

- Dave
From what I deduce from their posting, they have not bothered to assemble the unit. I do not blame them. Its all a bit pointless really, but given the fact that there are zero public reports from any QEG build once they get to resonance, I'd like to at least get some hard data on the real performance of this beastie.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 11, 2014, 08:18:43 PM
Interesting that Joel has not taken me up on my offer. I guess he is all mouth and no action!
Did you expect otherwise?
Remember we've also had LTseung claim that money was no problem and that he could easily "donate" a hundred thousand dollars to "Sir" Timothy Thrapp to buy a "real working" QEG from WITTS, but when challenged to do so, he faded away. I think these people actually have quite a bit less faith than they profess.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 12, 2014, 09:42:23 AM
Quote
Hey Joel! I have an idea. This is a sincere offer. I'm not mucking about. Why not buy the QEG on offer in California and have it shipped to me in NJ. I'm actually only about 15 miles from where the core was wound. I'm a fully "vetted" electronic and electrical engineer. I'll get in up and running and ensure that the effort is truly open source (open kimono). I have most if not  all the test equipment to get the job done, plus a full industrial workshop. I'm in the manufacturing business. I reckon with a bit of negotiation you could get these parts for quite a bit less then he is asking. Also I have a freight account so I'll pay for the shipping and any additional parts needed to get this thing up and running. What do you think?

You do not have what it takes to influence the masses! Lol to even make it funny you are not even close to the kungfu panda caliber.
Over years after years of learning, ALL PEOPLE ARE ONLY THINGKING DOLLAR BILLS. They are so blinded by money that there is no cure for them. They are money-sick. This is why everyone fights with each other in the USA. I have tried many times to give money to people to seek truth and they will never be satisfied to see the truth!!! why? Because they are blinded by money! If I give you 5, 000 dollars, to seek the truth you won't and never will!!! why? Because you are persuaded by money!
Money is not really hard to earn! You always benefit the owner of the company! That's why CEO's make a lot of money with out actually doing hard work.
This has puzzled me for years upon years. I work for a company that is top 2 of my city then I see them doing crappy job...then I realized that their whole purpose is to make money and not seek truth. Yeah, there is a formula to make money and that requires taking advantage of people, this is why GREEED is a disease and can't see the truth.
We need a new “ruler” with the right stuff to get over GREEED and show that life is really not man made. Money is a drug that i'm pretty sure a lot of the rich people have nightmares of someone stealing their money and can't have a good night sleep.
In conclusion, your mentality will never create nothing worthy since you genetic code does not have what it takes. You are just destined to live in uncertainty and just waiting for people to spoon feed you.
That is how I see it at any rate. There are only two kind of people, those that see the truth and those that will always be stuck in a forum.
I already mentioned that i'm a fortune teller and that in the future things will change since is a fact based on the past. So if you are soooo close minded as to not see “self-looping” things, that's understandable.
Who in their right mind see's that the earths weather is self looping? Or that water evaporates even in the cold weather and then is comes back down?
The only reason that there are rich people is because they keep the humanity stupid. So that's inequality...and it kind of bothers me why the so called smart people have not figured out how to get rid of these GREED individuals and make everyone equal! Maybe it has to do with “evolution” and money is part of evolution. So in an evolution scenario, I should just take your money and not give you any at all because you would not give any in return. Not because I don't believe in the “little input = greater output” LAWS but because you are not the “chosen one” that would actually make a big movement. :P

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 12, 2014, 10:12:34 AM
In my own personal opinion, the GIRL and the GUY trying to persist this “self-looping” QEG is only two people, or maybe three.

The girl whom has a heart on her sleeve trying to help the wold and give the world the world kittens. And the self-taut scientists trying to please her and also trying to help the world.

So we have these two individuals with good intentions that are trying to make a world wide movement.  More balls and a bull fighter. Just like Jesus Christ did. But the corruption is soooooooooooo big that there are many corrupters.  I understand that. I get it, she is trying to help the world even though she does not understand the technology, it is the thought that counts. Even the scientists does not understand it because he would be powering his own house and not share it with the ignorants.

What is 100% facts in this world is that all SCIENTISTS always get taken advantage off. And that is GREED that always does. If any psychologist smart individual understands how socialism works, they know it's a dog eat dog world. And maybe that it needs to work. But there needs to be a balance...but right now the, there is only one goal, and that is to EARN MONEY. Because money will make you feel important. Make you feel like a king. I hit a wall myself regarding this because why do we need others to tell us what to do. KINGS?PRESIDENTS? Since we will always live less than they do? They will always sleep with many females while I just want to sleep with my wife! They will sit in the couch watching TV while they tell their soldiers to fight for their disagreements.

We actually need a new world order because we are heading south. This is facts just like the Mayans and the Egyptians vanished. They thought that they created everything and never appreciated that they never created anything!!!! so they all died. And we will face the same scenario. Do I care, not really because I would be long dead before it happens. But in the future there will be “self-looping” machines with new mentalities hopefully not bound by GREED because they would face the same scenario as how the past has shown!

If we get rid of GREEED, i'm 1000000% sure we would be wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better than we are right now. We would be in peace and more evolved than we are right now! I understand that keeping people stupid is profitable, but that is just wrong SCIENTISTS! If these SCIENTISTS ARE SO SMART, why are they being manipulated? I have asked myself that question many times.

Seems to me like the smartest person in the world is the one with their pockets full of money. Which, like I said, is not real life energy and this civilization will implode eventually like it has before to give way to non-GREEED.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 12, 2014, 11:01:58 AM
If I even think about money as being part of “evolution” then I guess the efforts of people trying to help the poor will never help. Since the poor are needed so the GREEDY world can keep on revolving. BUTTTT when I hear the GREEDY believing that they can make SATURN an EARTH planet, then I have to worry. This means that they are mental to be honest. They have their GREEDY head up their ass so far up that they are forgetting how viruses work. Or how farmers work! This is life!

The hunter always eats from the source. The prey always eats from the hunters shyt!!! lol

It's a crappy saying, but the hunter eats, shits, then hunts again. But there is a balance since they both are benefiting from the “source”.... when a hunter is like, I want to eat the earths and move to Saturn then move to Neptune then move to Sagittarius, then move to, I ask myself, who are these HUMANS that want to eat worlds? Hmmmm.

a) the rich?
b)the poor?
c)the religious?
d)the scientists?

How big headed do you have to be to say...well lets move to saturn since we are killing the earth?

Or, lets keep on chopping trees for ever baby?

You see people how my mind is wayyyyyyyyyyy thinking more than just this simple “self-loop” stuff. I already said that “self-loop” needs little energy AND THAT IS THERE WAS NO LITTLE INPUT THAN GREATER OUTPUT, everything would collapse! It is the same as walking, ask yourself you idiot how many energy does it take to walk? More energy to walk one step than the energy of the distance of one step? Then ask yourself where did the energy ever come from to even walk one step?  ::)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 13, 2014, 12:05:56 AM
If I even think about money as being part of “evolution” then I guess the efforts of people trying to help the poor will never help. Since the poor are needed so the GREEDY world can keep on revolving. BUTTTT when I hear the GREEDY believing that they can make SATURN an EARTH planet, then I have to worry. This means that they are mental to be honest. They have their GREEDY head up their ass so far up that they are forgetting how viruses work. Or how farmers work! This is life!

The hunter always eats from the source. The prey always eats from the hunters shyt!!! lol

It's a crappy saying, but the hunter eats, shits, then hunts again. But there is a balance since they both are benefiting from the “source”.... when a hunter is like, I want to eat the earths and move to Saturn then move to Neptune then move to Sagittarius, then move to, I ask myself, who are these HUMANS that want to eat worlds? Hmmmm.

a) the rich?
b)the poor?
c)the religious?
d)the scientists?

How big headed do you have to be to say...well lets move to saturn since we are killing the earth?

Or, lets keep on chopping trees for ever baby?

You see people how my mind is wayyyyyyyyyyy thinking more than just this simple “self-loop” stuff. I already said that “self-loop” needs little energy AND THAT IS THERE WAS NO LITTLE INPUT THAN GREATER OUTPUT, everything would collapse! It is the same as walking, ask yourself you idiot how many energy does it take to walk? More energy to walk one step than the energy of the distance of one step? Then ask yourself where did the energy ever come from to even walk one step?  ::)
Joel I really have idea what your are babbling on about. It seems to me that you are a total and utter fraud, all mouth and zero action. I made you a sincere offer. You buy the QEG parts and I'll build and test it with full public disclosure. You believe this device to be real, this is your chance to make a difference. Sadly, you have just revealed your true colors. You sir are a fallacious (look it up) blowhard.  A misanthrope, nothing more. I would give chicken shirt more credence than your nonsensical ramblings. In fact when I look at my chickens poop tomorrow I'll be thinking of you. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 13, 2014, 08:21:53 AM
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It seems to me that you are a total and utter fraud, all mouth and zero action. I made you a sincere offer. You buy the QEG parts and I'll build and test it with full public disclosure. You believe this device to be real, this is your chance to make a difference. Sadly, you have just revealed your true colors. You sir are a fallacious (look it up) blowhard.  A misanthrope, nothing more. I would give chicken shirt more credence than your nonsensical ramblings. In fact when I look at my chickens poop tomorrow I'll be thinking of you.

I know you will fail because it takes a lot of energy and cojones to actually show the world. And then since GREED gets in the way, it will never go public in the corrupt world. If you cannot put an electrical meter to charge money, they would never allow it to happen.

Do you see the earth as self-looping?

Do you see the universe as self-looping?

Do you see the ATOM as self-looping?

Do you see the human body as self-looping?

Do you see the sun as self-looping?

Do you see light, yes, light as self-looping? Think about how the light rays work. All the way down to the molecular level. If a light ray is 1 inch wide, the molecules are moving up and down faster than the speed of light. Since our brain only comprehend since waves right? DC only half a wave (180*), alternating a 360* wave, up and down mountains. If light is waves, the molecular particles in the light beam HAVE TO be moving faster than the speed of forward motion. The light molecules/atoms are moving up and down and not straight forwards to shine the beam, hence they have to be moving faster than the light beam.  This is pretty simple stuff since the closes to a point is a straight line!!!

Getting back on point, in order for it to work and spend the money wisely you first need to change the GREEDY mentality. Then once you do that, you will realize that it's only natures LAWS.

Even the big bang shows and expansion of FREEE energy and then an implosion to explode and give more energy. Did I not mentioned that this dot “.” is the “big bang” that created all the universe? So based on that logic, this dot “.” is the source of energy to give birth to trillions of galaxies. If you imagine an earthquake on an island and then the water waves becoming a tsunami, that's “the big bang” and the tsunami getting bigger is from the FREEE energy from the “dark matter” but hear on earth we don't call it “dark matter” we call it inertia or whatever. The point being is that from the source of the earthquake, the water made it amplified like a step up transformer by gathering energy from the “air” (dark matter).

If I even go and think deeper!!! Aliens are not living in Saturn because the planet is not hospitable. So I find it funny and stupid for these so called smart people talking about moving from earth to saturn and live there lol. In the past Saturn was full of life, but now it's just a planet that helps earth to keep in balance to the SUN. do you even think this far or should we just focus on the present?

This device should work like just rubbing two sticks with your hands and starting a fire then keeping it going by adding stick to it.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 13, 2014, 08:36:14 AM
Joel:

Please read some science books before posting.  This is really getting old now.  If your purpose of posting is to convince everyone that you know nothing about science or physics, then, you are doing a great job.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 13, 2014, 08:52:16 AM
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Please read some science books before posting.  This is really getting old now.  If your purpose of posting is to convince everyone that you know nothing about science or physics, then, you are doing a great job.

I'm a dinosaur named t-rex that never has read a science book :P
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 13, 2014, 09:10:05 AM
I'm a dinosaur named t-rex that never has read a science book :P

We know.  But, thanks for telling us any way.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 13, 2014, 09:34:20 AM
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We know.  But, thanks for telling us any way.

hear me roaaarr *flaps his little t-rex arms*
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 13, 2014, 09:44:49 AM
hear me roaaarr *flaps his little t-rex arms*

Roar?  I'm sorry, I just thought you farted.  I figured it was just another brain fart.  We are getting used to that.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 13, 2014, 09:51:45 AM
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Roar?  I'm sorry, I just thought you farted.  I figured it was just another brain fart.  We are getting used to that.

Heyy!!! farting is healthy. Never in your life hold a fart in! Do you want the people not to fart?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: T-1000 on December 13, 2014, 02:58:52 PM
Heyy!!! farting is healthy. Never in your life hold a fart in! Do you want the people not to fart?
The littering of forum is not healthy and may be actioned against...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 13, 2014, 04:30:58 PM
I would say that Joel meets the definition of odious gas.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on December 14, 2014, 10:50:30 AM
So... is it time to declare the FTW QEG farce over and done with?

The Be-Do forum is moribund, having descended into unrelated topics, notices of loss of faith, obscure discussions of circuits that have nothing to do with the QEG and even utterly delusional fantasies. 
(Would that be anti-clockwise viewed from the front, or from the back? Which is which, anyway? And what about in the southern hemp-is-fear?)

And the only hint of real QEG-related activity is a report of some flailings about from James Robitaille describing something he should have done a year ago in Pennsylvania, but apparently just thought of a few days ago. Those sixteen hour workdays must be getting to his brain. How many times during a sixteen hour workday can a person run a QEG up to resonance, flip the switch and watch it die immediately? You have to have a very special personality to be able to withstand that kind of crushing disappointment over and over every day all day long.

Even the Morocco crewe no longer wants to talk about the Amazing Moroccan Overunity QEG, which is probably gathering dust in a garage or storeroom somewhere, since they have been forced to give up their nice rental where it was originally constructed and taken to resonance... just hours away from self-running and powering that promised waterpump.

Even Kevin Blundell has apparently given up on the QEG and is now pushing... Keshe devices!!! It's hard for me to imagine how he sleeps at night, because surely he cannot possibly believe in that megalomaniac's delusions, yet he is again asking for money based on the false claims of Keshe (who thinks he is God) and his loyal disciples.

So I think there is nothing left of the FTW QEG fantasy, except the lulz.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 14, 2014, 11:13:53 AM
The only thing missing is the Singapore ass-whacker for all guilty parties involved in orchestrating this con job.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 14, 2014, 12:11:17 PM
Some dissent on the Fundrazr web page.  I am capturing the moment before she deletes it!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on December 15, 2014, 06:37:18 AM
It was clear to mean Kevin the con man Blundell was a con.
Question,  is it now clear to any on the fence?

Seems Kevin took lessons from fleece the world.  Disabled commentary on all his videos and account.

And to read the idiocracy on his facebook page.  Comments like:
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I've been on keshe foundation website. Is the Keshe plasma reactor a free energy generator, as the QEG?
says it all.

Actually the answer is Yes.  Just as the qeg they both suck in scam dollars, occupy space, and are the antithesis of what they claim.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 18, 2014, 04:26:44 AM
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The littering of forum is not healthy and may be actioned against...

I repair a lot of things. Refrigerators, dish washers, TVs, speakers, computers, motors, auto engines, you name it. And you know what I have learned through out all of these years? That there is always a weak link to make a perfectly working item workable. That weak link is a cheap item to save money for the manufacturers...ALWAYS. There is no 'evolution” there what so ever. They know it will fail.

Take for example a dishwasher. The heart of it is the motor...and when you understand how the motor works, you will understand how some motors have plastic washers on their shaft. So that means the motor will stop sniping when the plastic motor wears out.

This also happens in the “entry level” electronic components and even in the “top of the line” components. It is so obvious that I feel that people are throwing away 90% of the item because 10% of it failed. Then who repairs those items? There is no one telling the consumer that only a one dollar item can bring their item back to life?

In my personal and 100% views in life, 90% of the people are blind. Even the so called “i-have-figured-out-the-world” type of people. 90% of the people are blinded to the point that they cannot see the truth.

If you can fix your dishwasher.

If you can fix your air conditioning unit.

If you can fix your own automotive engine.

If you can fix your own microwave oven.

If you can fix a computer.

If you can fix an LCD TV.

If you can fix a brushless motor/brushed motor.

If you can be your own lawyer in a court of law.

The list goes on and on, if you can fix all of the above plus more, then you are closer to see the truth. If you can't then you are one of those 90% of the people.

The point being is that we have not figured out the world yet. Everything that you see in your life with your eye sight senses is the same like others see. EVERYONE is a scientist because it's all about trial and error with a pencil and paper. You should know since you are doing experiments as we speak, since if you already knew 100% truth, you would stop doing experiments. That means that we have yet a lot to figure out.

We all 10% and those 90% of the people have road blocks to over come. Now tell me what those road blocks are?

What I see is that some people are monetary benefiting from this truth while others really want to open source it to everyone for the benefit. The fact of the matter is that the truth will never die...look in to the future and your kids will be adding more to the ideology of what you said NO! To your technology beliefs. We all know that technology “evolves” too! So there is no question there. We should be thinking on why the poverty with all of this technology? It is the same as why the lagging in a motor with cheap ball bearings from china!

All of the technology today can be made to last for 60-100-300 years with out buying again. But then what will the investors gain? You have to watch from every angle to come up with a conclusion....if you only judge (your honor) from one side, you cannot judge from a 360* angle...just from your little piece of the pie. IMO.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 18, 2014, 05:04:04 AM
Hi joel,

I have a broken troll on the loose on another thread...he has been rendered unable to focus and has now begun to commit criminal offenses.

he is very hard to catch...from my experience you have to say something that gets his attention = then begin to ignore him and he will see that as a weakness becoming increasing careless and bold.

Keep pretending you don't notice and will start taking liberties...like altering text and attributing it to you.

At that point you turn around fast and loudly say, AHAA!!!

And while he's still in a state of stunned surprise, all you have to do is drop a net over him.

If its any help, the troll is made up mostly of Radio Shack bargain bin items.

Also, his clothes may be tattered by now...thrift shop clothing wood be an upgrade.

Thanks.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 18, 2014, 05:22:31 AM
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The littering of forum is not healthy and may be actioned against...

Even if I think about as the QEG being a “fraud” it is actually not! It is just a learning experience and lack of “bright minds” that have not succumbed by peer-pressure. Then we have the authority of money that would never allow FREEE to exist in the world in the present lifetime if they are making millions of dollars a year in their comfort zone. Money talks!

But I think it's time for us 90% of those people to start learning the un-learnable things. It's not really that hard to learn, it's all a matter of teaching the kids. That's why I find making money not that hard at all...actually, making money is more of a socialism thing more than anything. We are civilized people where it's time that the old “king” meeds to die. But that's something for another day.

In “evolution” (electronic or flesh), the ONLY path is for BENEFITING ALL. Since we are here due to evolution and not due to because we are chasing money! Happiness is not money! Because happiness is part of evolution and not THE KEY to evolution. KNOWLEDGE is not “evolution” because we all need HAPINNESS. So there is this balance in this world where we all need to be happy and understanding.

This has being going on for years, the positive and negative comes from the molecular level. Our roots! We always need both! But one has to understand the ladder to climb up the “evolution” path. It is so simple as fixing a broken dishwasher.

1- we have to evolve = nothing is static.
2- we have to make money = nothing is free

I climb the ladder so I can climb to mars and my children will live there in the future!

1- I know I have to evolve.
2- buy cheap sell high from the earths resources for infinity, even when we move to mars....

NOPE! Collapse of the earth and 90% of the monkeys.

The QEG was influenced from the guy that “created” (in quotes) AC electricity. So most likely, he knew what he was writing about back then than any of the “scientists” today with all of this distractions of entertainment! Entertainment is good, but not 90% of the time.  Or 90% of the time making money! Or 90% of the time hunting since at that rate, there goes the DODO bird. Pretty simple stuff don't you think?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 18, 2014, 05:44:38 AM
Cap-z

I already mentioned that money is not hard to make. You can be by yourself in an island with 10 billion dollars by yourself and then contemplate how you made that money before you die when you find out that money has no vitamins.

You are just stubborn!

Ok cap-z...so you are telling me that there will never be a machine that has little input and gives greater outputs. Greater output for infinity (or until the big bang implodes)? Is that what you are saying?

Why are you even in an “overunity” forum going against overunity?

Are you 100% sure, with out a doubt” that there is no such thing?

When you are using the word “troll” you are just trolling. Obviously, at this point you just want to insult and compare dick size. That shows your weak mind to be honest.

Regards....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PCB on December 18, 2014, 05:55:04 AM
Joel you are a a broken record. Same stick every post. Your needle is stuck in the same groove. I do not bother to even read the stuff you post, because it is always the same trash. Time to leave and follow Cap Zero to a new audience to bore.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 18, 2014, 06:50:58 AM
Joel, I was actually having a little fun with a vaccine promoting real life troll that I outed over on the Vaccination thread.

I should have realized you would take things the wrong way because of all the ridicule you have been receiving.

And I am a believer that all we have to do is tune in to the energy field that surrounds us.

Take note of the bozo who posted above who has paired us off and judged us to be bores.

And read my post again.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 18, 2014, 07:45:47 AM
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Joel, I was actually having a little fun with a vaccine promoting real life troll that I outed over on the Vaccination thread.

vaccine? You mean drugs? Like giving the little kid drugs, I mean...anesthesia? And then watching then all drugged up on youtube after going to the dentists? Then charging $800 US dollars for it? Then taking people to jail for using “self anesthesia” for pain?

This reminds me of my brother...he was in an accident and he loves his kid (like any other parent would) and would give his life for him (like any other person for their family). Then in the hospital, when he bleeding and his mind full of wanting to live no matter what, then the nurse “sir, do you want anesthesia? That would be $800 dollars added to your bill.” while my brother in tears and not wanting to die with blood all over his face. Then he understood how the hospital treats patients like chopped liver. They only care about money. If it was me, I would have given him FREEE anesthesia and FREEE medical treatment but the MONEY world does not work that way since it is GREED that makes it revolve!

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I should have realized you would take things the wrong way because of all the ridicule you have been receiving.

It's hard to teach kids and even harder to teach old dogs new tricks. There is an age where the mind becomes stubborn and nothing can change that. Those are close minded individuals. Those that are open minded only learn from their mistakes. There is no need to insult.

If you think about it, the mind can't never be closed minded! and believe 100% that something will never work!

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And I am a believer that all we have to do is tune in to the energy field that surrounds us.

Take note of the bozo who posted above who has paired us off and judged us to be bores.

Hey man. I didn't know you think like me. It's hard to teach people. My parents never spoon fed me anything, they showed me the path but I was never spoon fed since we all evolve. And having to understand in this civilized world how things work, the GREEED is the lagging in the future civilization only.

I honestly don't see the rich being smarter than the poor? They are only rich in socialism. Meaning, you need someone else to back you up! Since we are animals, we always need support with money and socialism.

To be honest, we need to teach all people how to make money! Then we need to teach the kids. Then once we make money, we can spend money to teach the rest and show the rich that money, alcohol, and hoes is not really “evolution” but more of a corrupt way of thinking that will ruin the sheep!

What is this vaccine you speak of? There's a magic pill?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 18, 2014, 07:55:08 AM
The whole story on toxins in vaccines...and my broken troll can be found in this thread.

http://overunity.com/15147/vaccinations-recent-developments/msg428042/#msg428042


Regards...



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 19, 2014, 07:24:32 AM
cap-z

LOL, these excuses from the corrupt minds is so stupid that only stupid people should believe it! That's leaves me in the middle, choose one side only! Lol. Be static (blinded) or be “evolving” like the rest of the people are.

Do you imagine a doctor making thousands of dollars “repairing” a human body where the body heals itself. Then compare that to a windows coder. Welp, sowing up a flesh is easier than coding up a program! Lol...crazy stuff...the GREED mentality is actually psychopath!

I like the ending of that video you posted, DNA FORCE! You are weak. If you don't buy DNA FORCE! $12,000 USA dollars a kilogram folks.

All around you just see GREED, again, 1-800-greed...I mean, DNA FORCE...call now! lol.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 19, 2014, 07:54:57 AM
You and I agree on many points joel.

I am someone who listens to and watches everything...sooner things start to form a concept.

And until I come across evidence to the contrary, it appears the the world is run by murderous satan worshiping pedophiles.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 19, 2014, 08:45:18 AM
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You and I agree on many points joel.

I am someone who listens to and watches everything...sooner things start to form a concept.

And until I come across evidence to the contrary, it appears the the world is run by murderous satan worshiping pedophiles.

Do you have nightmares? Well, I'm sure you have been afraid in your life. And the FEAR is what people try to take advantage of. This is actually not their fault since hunters pray on the weak to survive. BUT it comes to a point that everything is 100% obvious. No matter how much lipstick you put on a pig, it will never look like a cow.

I know there is a formula to “fight” their formula! Since the only goal is to make a balance! This balance is what keeps us going! And believe it or not, our “going against” them is actually “fueling” them too. Been there done that!

What I really mostly care about now is their future! Why? Because I see it! I see how they will destroy themselves. I see how the world will be destroyed. If I didn't really see this stuff, I would be more interested in big boobs and females. But my sin is to see these stuff.

What is evolution?

Procreate!

What is right from wrong?

Procreate!

What is money?

Procreate + GREED!

Who wants to die?

No one!

When someone wants to live for ever by taking advantage of others, is when they are sick in the head as history has showed us!

Man how do you make people understand that energy is FREEE?

Then how do you make people understand that a vaccine is just a wet dream?

How do you make people understand that my life is worth more than any money value?

How do you put a value to life? Well, let me guess, just over charge!!!!

I don't understand how others can't see that we are fighting the same battle! Well, in reverse psychology, they need to be enslaved and be told what to think. Lol...there are so few whom think by them selves.

Live for truth or never have lived at all.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 20, 2014, 02:09:09 AM


You and I agree on many points joel.


Regards...

Sure, then why did you accuse him of being a troll?

Oh wait, you accuse everyone on this forum of being a troll.

I almost forgot.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 20, 2014, 03:28:14 AM


I am someone who listens to and watches everything...sooner things start to form a concept.

And until I come across evidence to the contrary, it appears the the world is run by murderous satan worshiping pedophiles.

Regards...

Well, this is nice and all but your first sentence, is not even a sentence.  Your second sentence, is not either as you are not supposed to begin a real sentence with the word "And".  You claim that you butcher the English language on purpose to make a point.  I say that you do it because you do not know any better.

Please take a remedial English class.  Do you butcher your spelling on purpose also?  We know that you butcher the truth every chance that you get.

Joel is a much better writer than you are.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 20, 2014, 04:53:01 AM
I can only guess the trolls who's arses he kisses didn't take him asise and advise him that grammar critic's are widely considered the biggest dooshes on the web.

I just thot It'd be kinda funny to just let him be a doosh if he wanted to.

Was that all he was on about ? 

Regards...

*doobie nite reminder*



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 20, 2014, 05:42:29 AM
I can only guess the trolls who's arses he kisses didn't take him asise and advise him that grammar critic's are widely considered the biggest dooshes on the web.

I just thot It'd be kinda funny to just let him be a doosh if he wanted to.

Was that all he was on about ? 

Regards...

*doobie nite reminder*

Ummm...actually...No.  You are considered the biggest douche on the web.  But, thanks for playing and...nice try.

Please try again sometime when you are not stoned.

In other words....better luck next time and...please attempt to remain on topic.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 20, 2014, 06:09:53 AM
Hmmmm, he didn't go for the low hanging "typo"this time...and I put it in early before he started to fog up too.

Either he's not as incoherent as his posts indicate...or maybe he was somehow able to sense that his brand of dooshiness wasn't exactly perceived as a respectable endeavor.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 20, 2014, 06:28:08 AM
Hmmmm, he didn't go for the low hanging "typo"this time...and I put it in early before he started to fog up too.

Either he's not as incoherent as his posts indicate...or maybe he was somehow able to sense that his brand of dooshiness wasn't exactly perceived as a respectable endeavor.

Regards...

This relates to the QEG how?  Please try to remain on topic.  Possibly, you are not aware of what this topic is about?

Thank you,

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 20, 2014, 06:34:51 AM
Man, this guy is so all over the map.

So...now magically this is a serious topic to get back on to...never mind all the buffoonery they all engaged in virtually since the thread appeared.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 20, 2014, 06:44:19 AM
Buffoonery?

Actually no.  It was a bunch of smart guys busting yet another fraud and saving who knows how many people from investing their hard earned money and time in it.  I take my hat off to these folks for doing this.  I realize that all of this is above your level of understanding but, trust me, the fellows here did a very good thing.

Please try to keep up.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on December 20, 2014, 06:48:41 AM
Buffffooooooon

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 20, 2014, 07:22:22 AM
Buffffooooooon

I take this as your admission that you do not know what this topic is about.

Thank you,

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 20, 2014, 08:17:19 AM
Hey pirate88179 arr arr!

You seem like a smart person and can probably crunch some Einstein numbers, but, in all honesty, I'm tired of the ALPHA males taking advantage of the buffoon scientists.

Time and time again I see this mentality!

A scientists inventor shows the world that engines can be run by water. It gets shut down as a fraud when no oil is involved. Now the USA navy will implement that technology recently and will run their ships and air planes from water in the up coming future. So hat basically says that engines can be run by water....i won't provide a link but google is your friend.....100% facts.

Then I hear about so many other things that have little input with greater output!  Then I'm just in this topic about a QEG, being judged as a fraud like all of the rest will be and you will feel like a superman that you have done your deed! You are just here trying to prevent people from supporting the frauds! Thank you!

But then when I look at my crystal ball based on the judgment from the past and judging how the universe works with our monkey brains, we can gather that QEGs do work.

ok...lets say 100% with out a doubt that even if 2000 scientists tackled this QEG, it will never work. Can you 100% say why it will never work or are you judging this QEG by your personal experiences?

What is your definition of overunity?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 20, 2014, 08:46:00 AM
Hey pirate88179 arr arr!

You seem like a smart person and can probably crunch some Einstein numbers, but, in all honesty, I'm tired of the ALPHA males taking advantage of the buffoon scientists.

Time and time again I see this mentality!

A scientists inventor shows the world that engines can be run by water. It gets shut down as a fraud when no oil is involved. Now the USA navy will implement that technology recently and will run their ships and air planes from water in the up coming future. So hat basically says that engines can be run by water....i won't provide a link but google is your friend.....100% facts.

Then I hear about so many other things that have little input with greater output!  Then I'm just in this topic about a QEG, being judged as a fraud like all of the rest will be and you will feel like a superman that you have done your deed! You are just here trying to prevent people from supporting the frauds! Thank you!

But then when I look at my crystal ball based on the judgment from the past and judging how the universe works with our monkey brains, we can gather that QEGs do work.

ok...lets say 100% with out a doubt that even if 2000 scientists tackled this QEG, it will never work. Can you 100% say why it will never work or are you judging this QEG by your personal experiences?

What is your definition of overunity?

More output than input.  It would be a 2nd law violation.  Not to say that I do not believe in free energy, I do.  I light my apt. utilizing free energy.  But, I know where the energy comes from and it has less output than in...but still free. Like your Hoover dam example, or solar, or wind...free energy but not overunity.

Does this makes sense?

Trust me, I am all about obtaining all of the free energy I can get.  Overunity is really not a very good term in my opinion. Maybe free energy isn't either...rather, free to me energy might be better.  This should not include stealing energy, that would be different.  I am talking about solar, wind, JT circuits, Water wheels, etc.  It is very hard to nail down some definitions of overunity here on this site.  I have tried and it usually ends in arguments.

So, I stick with free energy or, free to me energy.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 20, 2014, 09:22:37 AM
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More output than input.  It would be a 2nd law violation.  Not to say that I do not believe in free energy, I do.  I light my apt. utilizing free energy.  But, I know where the energy comes from and it has less output than in...but still free. Like your Hoover dam example, or solar, or wind...free energy but not overunity.

OK, thanks. Do you know if the person whom stated the second law a GOD? As if, since it was stated it can't never be “broken”?

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I know where the energy comes from and it has less output than in

How do you know that? From where does the ENERGY come from?

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Trust me, I am all about obtaining all of the free energy I can get.  Overunity is really not a very good term in my opinion. Maybe free energy isn't either...rather, free to me energy might be better.  This should not include stealing energy, that would be different.  I am talking about solar, wind, JT circuits, Water wheels, etc.  It is very hard to nail down some definitions of overunity here on this site.  I have tried and it usually ends in arguments.

So, I stick with free energy or, free to me energy.

YES!!! please be on the FREEE side of things. Actually when I refer to FREEE, I'm mostly speaking about the mind. The ENERGY rather than the work. We all have to work to gather the FREEE energy...where the lazy get forgotten behind!

Can you see the ladder? Where all of the steps are mistakes that the future learn from?

The FREEE pass has less resistance in the electronics. This whole world is balanced and has little input to give greater output.....well this is a tricky part....

What is little input?

What is great output?

Do you know their purpose? 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 20, 2014, 10:06:11 AM

OK, thanks. Do you know if the person whom stated the second law a GOD? As if, since it was stated it can't never be “broken”?

 

No, not God.  A law begins as a theory that is tested experimentally by many scientists over a period of time.  If there are no deviations observed then the theory becomes a law.  The 2nd law of thermodynamics has been around for a long, long time now and, has never been violated.  Thus far, this proves that the theory, and the law, are correct.

Should there ever be any proven and replicable violations of this law, then I would suppose that the law would no longer stand, and a new theory/law would be adopted.

It is not like someone just wakes up one day and says, "Henceforth, for every action, there will be an equal and opposite reaction."  It is all about scientific experiments, and the history and record of these experiments that takes an idea from a theory to a law.

Can the 2nd law of thermodynamics be broken?  One can assume that it is a possibility, no matter how remote.  It is just that, to date, it has never been violated.  The odds are that it never will be.  But, who knows?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on December 20, 2014, 06:19:38 PM
Uh, Pirate88179, LoT2 has been experimentally broken/violated. (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBp_SPJAOJc).
After all, it is an statistical law.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 20, 2014, 06:33:40 PM
Uh, Pirate88179, LoT2 has been experimentally broken/violated. (see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBp_SPJAOJc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBp_SPJAOJc)).
After all, it is an statistical law.

Well, right in the beginning of that video you posted, he said that they were going to discuss the 2nd law, and why he thinks it "MIGHT" be violatable in the "FUTURE".

So how do you get that it has been broken out of that?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on December 20, 2014, 11:06:35 PM
I think this picture sums up how this thread is going.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on December 20, 2014, 11:42:35 PM
View some of his other videos, where he actually shows how it was done (not just theory).
There are others who have it done as well.
LoT2 is about statistical probabilities of large numbers; it has no relevance to individual particles.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 21, 2014, 07:21:07 AM
Pirate88179 arr arr!

The whole purpose of the FREEE energy is to benefit ALL. That's is my mind energy too.

For some reason, when you go against someone, you should know their truth. Which should make you smarter than them. But then I ask myself, can you even repair a dishwasher?

Please answer me with step by step how to repair a dishwasher from a 360* angle way of looking at every dishwasher problem.

It is pretty simple that laws change....if you look at history 100% facts. So it is kind of ignorant to believe that laws will never change!!!!

All laws have 10% of the truth and 90% of wiggle room. This is essential to “evolve”. I already mentioned that none can survive that long being 90% happy. Or making 90% money all of the time. That's will violate the laws of life! You actually don't have to be that smart to understand death!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: orbut 3000 on December 21, 2014, 08:25:20 AM
True, true. When someone says you can't put one cent into an empty box and get two out in return, ask him: How far can you throw a dishwasher?
Checkmate, bro.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 21, 2014, 02:48:41 PM
Pirate88179 arr arr!

The whole purpose of the FREEE energy is to benefit ALL. That's is my mind energy too.

For some reason, when you go against someone, you should know their truth. Which should make you smarter than them. But then I ask myself, can you even repair a dishwasher?

Please answer me with step by step how to repair a dishwasher from a 360* angle way of looking at every dishwasher problem.

It is pretty simple that laws change....if you look at history 100% facts. So it is kind of ignorant to believe that laws will never change!!!!

All laws have 10% of the truth and 90% of wiggle room. This is essential to “evolve”. I already mentioned that none can survive that long being 90% happy. Or making 90% money all of the time. That's will violate the laws of life! You actually don't have to be that smart to understand death!

Dishwashers are fairly well built and dependable these days.  Most of the problems I have seen is a clogged water inlet valve, which is easily repaired by cleaning.  I did repair one where the motor cooling fan blade had come loose from the shaft where the weld had broken.  It was easily repaired with some JB weld and is still working fine 4 years later.

I am not sure what this has to do with overunity though.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 24, 2014, 05:45:51 AM
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Dishwashers are fairly well built and dependable these days.

Yet again another ignorant remark. Jesus crist how can someone be so blinded?

You have to understand how ther market to the consumer. There are three → “entry level” (those that make little money), “middle” (those that make more than make little money), “high end/premium” or whatever your definition to maker to the people that have lots of money to spare.

When you say “ Dishwashers are fairly well built and dependable these days” you are basically just ignoring the other angles of viewing at things.

The fact is that the more the earth's resources are lacking, the more the items are less lasting. Meaning, the closer we get to the non-abundance, the weaker the item is. If I can't explain myself, I mean, if you have little resources, the less quality it will be.

Ok, show me facts that “ Dishwashers are fairly well built and dependable these days”...with actual statistics? Since I'm sure that you stated that from the statistics!


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Most of the problems I have seen is a clogged water inlet valve, which is easily repaired by cleaning.

Ohhh, I didn't know you where an appliance repair man?

Ohhh, do you understand the facts behind why the clogs happen?

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I did repair one where the motor cooling fan blade had come loose from the shaft where the weld had broken.

ohhhh, you only have repaired one? And just based on repairing one shows you understand the degrading of machines today in the big picture of understanding the degrading of machines?

Ohhhh, ok! Was that a brushless motor you repaired?

You are proud of fixing induction welds that failed?

Ohhh, 99.9% of the dishwasher that fail are from clogs and/or from fan blde becoming loose?

 
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It was easily repaired with some JB weld and is still working fine 4 years later.

lol, JB weld on metal to metal. That JB weld is actually weaker than induction welding and induction welding is weaker than actual metal to metal welding with more heated metal. This goes to show how you are not knowledgeable about welding either.

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I am not sure what this has to do with overunity though.

I'm not sure why you with 6643 posts here understand much at all.

I already said, to understand a lot of things it is simple as to fixing a dishwasher=understanding how it works.

JB welding a motor is not the same as looking at how it works from a 360* angle. And the same applies to “overunity” you have to look at it from a 360+ angle to fix and understand every angle!

Your JB weld is only looking at it from a 2* angle. Not 360* or 100% all angles.  8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on December 24, 2014, 06:11:50 AM
Whatever dude.

I had a dishwasher break down...i fixed it.  Several friends asked me to fix theirs...I did...end of story.  You are the one that claimed I could not even fix a dishwasher so, I gave evidence to the contrary. I am sorry that you could not handle it.

Can you make a ceramic spring?  Specifically, one out of partially stabilized, transformation toughened zirconium oxide?  I can, and I did.  It flew on the Space Shuttle STS 60.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on December 24, 2014, 06:29:38 AM
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I had a dishwasher break down...i fixed it.

yes I understand but you ONLY fixed it from one angle! I don't mean to not give you the appreciation that you deserve for fixing it, but that is still from one angle. You have to understand about the engineers to whom “designed” the dishwasher too. They also need criticizing and credit!

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Several friends asked me to fix theirs...I did...end of story.

The story never ends! Nor does learning nor evolution. Now does life! With all due respect, your “evidence” does not imply that you have ever created a dishwasher. And since you have never created one, you cannot even speak about one and be 100% correct about ow it works.

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You are the one that claimed I could not even fix a dishwasher so, I gave evidence to the contrary. I am sorry that you could not handle it.

yes you fixed one by unclogging them and JB welding the motor fan...but there is more to understand how they work and more to understand how they fail. IOW, your friends are not enough to understand the WHOLE dishwasher problem situation. This is simple to see. So you are only replying to me that you see 360* dishwasher problems based on you repairing your friends dishwashers! That is not enough. You need world wide statistics to give close to 100% facts!

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Can you make a ceramic spring?  Specifically, one out of partially stabilized, transformation toughened zirconium oxide?  I can, and I did.  It flew on the Space Shuttle STS 60.

Well, I have not, but using dishwasher components can I make one?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: BorisKrabow on January 01, 2015, 03:27:42 PM
one QEG  possible to produce two Eclin-Brown generators  :D  !
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on January 01, 2015, 11:55:45 PM
The New Year brings in a new front.
http://hopegirl.qxstart.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KbiTE7x3Sg

Welcome to the K!  K for kryptos.  Buy yours !!today!!

Do no forget to read on the About box for Fix The World  on the kryptos site:
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Fix the World (FTW) is a philanthropic organization with special access to an array of amazing projects, including new energy technology, flying cars, alternative cures for disease, ways to restore the local economy, and answers to food security and clean water.

Any comments disable on the video of course.  If this is a shock for some of your I ask why?  Early when this boondoggle landed I painfully sifted through the whole of https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com  You can see with your own eyes the long standing pattern of jumping from one multilevel marketing gig to another.  Tacking on the word quantum to everything under the sun as bait.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 02, 2015, 12:00:22 AM
The New Year brings in a new front.
http://hopegirl.qxstart.com/ (http://hopegirl.qxstart.com/)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KbiTE7x3Sg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KbiTE7x3Sg)

Welcome to the K!  K for kryptos.  Buy yours !!today!!

Do no forget to read on the About box for Fix The World  on the kryptos site:
Any comments disable on the video of course.  If this is a shock for some of your I ask why?  Early when this boondoggle landed I painfully sifted through the whole of https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com)  You can see with your own eyes the long standing pattern of jumping from one multilevel marketing gig to another.

Geeze...will this ever end?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on January 02, 2015, 12:12:10 AM
Geeze...will this ever end?

Bill

Unfortunately the snake oil gene is an integral part of human genetics.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 02, 2015, 12:22:24 AM
I poked around just a little bit.  It looks to me like Kryptos is a legitimate phone app company.  Then Naima has hooked up with some other guy that is a Kryptos reseller and he is doing it with a whole multi-level-marketing scheme.  Naturally Naima hopes (Doh!) to be close to the top of the pyramid.  Most people hate MLM schemes and so do I.  You pay a ridiculous price for things because of the whole kick-back system.  I would imagine that MLM is suffering in the Internet age.

I would assume that if you want to encrypt your calls you can deal directly with Kryptos, completely bypassing Naima.  Don't forget that your phone calls have to be wireless-connected to the Internet and are exclusively IP-based.

If I was the Kryptos director of sales, I would not tolerate this MLM crap and I would completely pull the plug on them.

If you are a 'normal person' then chances are you will never come across someone using this in real life.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on January 04, 2015, 07:36:19 AM
Geeze...will this ever end?

Bill

In short...NO.

Meet the new monthly subscription FTW TV!!
http://www.fixtheworld.podbean.com/

Oh, I faintly remember something along the lines of umm ummm yeah thats right.  Hours away from self running a few months ago.  But for some strange reason, has been silent ever since.  While in the mean time, radio shows, beach interviews, crystal batteries, krypto communications, and now drum roll  FTW TV series!!!  Maybe this time around we will finally get a glimpse of that special access to flying cars and world saving technologies privy only to the chosen FTW and WITTS.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on January 04, 2015, 07:46:34 AM
In short...NO.

Meet the new monthly subscription FTW TV!!
http://www.fixtheworld.podbean.com/

Oh, I faintly remember something along the lines of umm ummm yeah thats right.  Hours away from self running a few months ago.  But for some strange reason, has been silent ever since.  While in the mean time, radio shows, beach interviews, crystal batteries, krypto communications, and now drum roll  FTW TV series!!!  Maybe this time around we will finally get a glimpse of that special access to flying cars and world saving technologies privy only to the chosen FTW and WITTS.
Even obese liars need to eat and Hope you will spare here some change for her lies Girl is no different.  Just wait until FTW teams up with GDS Technologies of Toronto, er Acapulco.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on January 04, 2015, 07:57:32 AM
Even obese liars need to eat and Hope you will spare here some change for her lies Girl is no different.  Just wait until FTW teams up with GDS Technologies of Toronto, er Acapulco.

LOL.  I just tried to view some of the QEG video series.  Got prompted with a name and password box.  Based on the description, those should be the same videos that have been on youtube.  Tried clicking on the download link.  BAM! Show me your Name and Password papers.  TK is going to die laughing over this.  My bad.  Those are
"Premium" download links  ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on January 04, 2015, 09:09:30 AM
LOL.  I just tried to view some of the QEG video series.  Got prompted with a name and password box.  Based on the description, those should be the same videos that have been on youtube.  Tried clicking on the download link.  BAM! Show me your Name and Password papers.  TK is going to die laughing over this.  My bad.  Those are
"Premium" download links  ;D
The world balance of power cannot be allowed to shift if some rival cult gets their hands on the secret humming frequency needed to achieve insolence.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on January 04, 2015, 09:31:42 AM
This is getting old, the military will now use water to fuel their war ships and planes! When a scientists wanted to show how he could run his car with water!!!! meh!!! what's next, hearing all of these people complaining about air?

Well i'll be dammed that the QEG made more millions than the oil companies!!! lol, don't even want to go there. Look at me I own a 3.0k diamond that is worths $40,000 USA dollars! Well i don't but I know the INFLATION of diamonds. Don't get me started about GREEDDDDD!!!! Since if money was not an issue, we would all be hunters!

Some “scientists' just are mad and bitter than understanding the whole goal of making a positive change in others! And that means that they need attention to gratify their "understanding" of the universe! Same as a big breasted female likes attention since the bigger the breast, the more healthy babies...blah blah blah!!

Here we go again with trying to explain the money making machine of the media and politics.

Why don't we just shut up and believe that QEGs will never work and go to sleep? OhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhHHHH! You mean the earth spins around the sun with out spending dollar bills? OK! I'm an idiot for not seeing that in the beginning!  8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 04, 2015, 11:39:29 PM

I'm an idiot
Yes.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 04, 2015, 11:51:23 PM
They used to tell me I was building a dream
And so I followed the mob
When there was earth to plow or guns to bear
I was always there right on the job

They used to tell me I was building a dream
With peace and glory ahead
Why should I be standing in line
Just waiting for bread?

Once I built a railroad, I made it run
Made it race against time
Once I built a railroad, now it's done
Brother, can you spare a dime?

Once I built a tower up to the sun
Brick and rivet and lime
Once I built a tower, now it's done
Brother, can you spare a dime?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 05, 2015, 12:45:05 AM
Geeze, I thought living in Morocco was cheap, yet they are still fundraising.  Maybe when Sterling moves down there, he can help them organize a little better.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 05, 2015, 01:30:32 AM
Yes.
Yes.

How cute...and  typical - the paid shill quoting someone out of context in order to insult a member...and without any provocation whatsoever.

Well...I suppose it can be seen as progress that he didn't take the liberty to alter the text this time.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 05, 2015, 03:14:09 AM
Hey, the SMF software shows me that there was a post by Crap-Z-ro but that I am ignoring this user.

Isn't software great?

Ignore is a wonderful invention.

Now I can only see that he has posted, and not what he has posted.....ahhhhh.

Very nice indeed.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 05, 2015, 03:43:44 AM
Hey, the SMF software shows me that there was a post by Crap-Z-ro but that I am ignoring this user.

Isn't software great?

Ignore is a wonderful invention.

Now I can only see that he has posted, and not what he has posted.....ahhhhh.

Very nice indeed.

Bill


Yeah, riiiiight...no one even suspected that he's fulla sh!t.

The only thing remaining is, which of 1 through 5 of his disclaimers was it that gave him away.

Is it just the 'adapting' software on my computer, or whenever the site's royal arse kisser posts, the computer makes a lip smacking sound ? 

Regards...

 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 05, 2015, 04:33:44 AM
Another blocked post by the unreadable one Crap-Z-ro.

God only knows what he might be saying...or trying to say...but...we all have had enough of him to know what
it probably is.  Just more crap.  Hence...Crap-Z-ro.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 05, 2015, 05:11:45 AM
Over vaccinated

Just plain stupid

Date raped by Bill Cosby...hence the name Bill (his logic not mine)


Which one is it...or, is is a combination of all 3 ?

Regards...




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 05, 2015, 05:31:41 AM
I should also point out another advantage of the "IGNORE" feature.  Should "someone" that you have on IGNORE attempt to pm you...
they get a message something like "The user you are attempting to pm is ignoring you"...and...no pm.

It is great!  I highly recommend this feature to everyone that is tired of Crap-Z-ro's gas.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 05, 2015, 06:56:51 AM
The readers wood like to know who told the arse kisser that by pretending to have Cap on "ignore" he wood increase his chances of not looking stupider than at present.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on January 08, 2015, 11:30:20 PM
Just for in case somebody still want to discuss the QEG...


I think a lot of people think it is a flux path switcher. But as far as I see, that is a mistake. It is more likely oscillation exitation by means of parametric inductance change. And therefor it is wrong to use a steel rotor: while the variable inductor as a conductor periodicly  lowers the main inductance (which is the goal), the iron that it is made of increases the inductance, resulting in a low total modulation depth. This was also mentioned in that russian 1934 paper.


They should try an Alu or Copper rotor.


BR
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on January 09, 2015, 04:37:20 AM
Just for in case somebody still want to discuss the QEG...


I think a lot of people think it is a flux path switcher. But as far as I see, that is a mistake. It is more likely oscillation exitation by means of parametric inductance change. And therefor it is wrong to use a steel rotor: while the variable inductor as a conductor periodicly  lowers the main inductance (which is the goal), the iron that it is made of increases the inductance, resulting in a low total modulation depth. This was also mentioned in that russian 1934 paper.


They should try an Alu or Copper rotor.


BR

Indeed.  However, actual performance is of no concern to its promoters.
We have run the gamut for performance and measurements.  Had the use of a device been the real intention, FTW would actually Open Source as opposed to how they have operated.  Would have first ask the assistance of any one of the multitude of online energy enthusiast.  Would publish results good or bad as opposed to going dormant for months just to pop up for air and back to the underground.  Would have pumped water out of the wells used as a marketing leverage to line FTW's pocket.

P.S:  Still waiting for the U.K report.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on January 09, 2015, 04:47:10 AM
Just for in case somebody still want to discuss the QEG...


I think a lot of people think it is a flux path switcher. But as far as I see, that is a mistake. It is more likely oscillation exitation by means of parametric inductance change. And therefor it is wrong to use a steel rotor: while the variable inductor as a conductor periodicly  lowers the main inductance (which is the goal), the iron that it is made of increases the inductance, resulting in a low total modulation depth. This was also mentioned in that russian 1934 paper.


They should try an Alu or Copper rotor.


BR
The Robitailles came.  They claimed they ahd a working free energy technology that they wished to share with the world.  They collected money from people who believed or at least hoped that their lies were true.  The Robitailles and their lies have now mostly faded away.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on January 09, 2015, 08:01:53 AM
They faced a strong opposition from beginning on, they were called a scam  at a time when nobody had any proof.


The initial support from other QEG replicaters soon vanished after the aggressive propaganda of people like marke, tk, mh. Sure the replications could only be as efficient as the original. And when they didn't reach OU instantly, they left the sinking ship.


But for Robespierre it may have been looking very promising. Imagine a dc motor. What does it consume, maybe couple of hundred watt. Then he saw the energy burst at selfoscillation frequency and 4 x 100 watt bulbs lighting up. Knowing such papers as the mentioned russian document, written by highly educted and established scientists at a time when Hysteresis losses, Lenz and Lorentz were already well understood, speaking of "the change of inductance can be obtained obviously with no effort" cetrainly can make one enthusiastic.


So Robespierre may have promised too much to hopegirl and her mother. Hopegirl believed it all and run the crowdfunding side, which is ok for me, unlike taxes for all the shit the authorities force us to eat on a daily base.


So now they lost their home. A tragedy, but for ppl like tk this is yet another proof for being a scam, just like the weight problems of hopegirl. Not only unscientific, but moreover coldhearted.


Those people round here who buried the QEG alive may not only be wrong, but in fact they spray the venom that kills any progress, very much for the sake of the energy industrial complex.


How many oscilloscopes and measuring equipment needs a guy like TK to run an LED from his rooms electrosmog? Well, power the world with that.


In my opinion the qeg still has potential, and (in not understanding the following the notorious naysayers express the poor level of their existence) in a metaphysical way our beliefs have a great impact on the future. This I do not only believe, but I know it by experience.


BR

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 09, 2015, 08:26:35 AM
Dieter:

You probably can't see this but some people like a touch of bondage...  Words on a chat board can't make somebody's experiment fail.  This one looked like a duck, walked like a duck, and squawked like a duck.

If some people are now wiser then the world has become a slightly better place and that somewhat offsets the people that contributed money with a naive and genuine expectation that they were ushering in the dawn of a new era.  So tempting sounding, eh?  Sort of like Shangri La.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on January 09, 2015, 08:38:41 AM
They faced a strong opposition from beginning on, they were called a scam  at a time when nobody had any proof.
As well they should, because:   Wait for it ... They were running a scam.  They made outrageous claims for which they had no supporting evidence, including that they had a working overunity machine.
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The initial support from other QEG replicaters soon vanished after the aggressive propaganda of people like marke, tk, mh. Sure the replications could only be as efficient as the original. And when they didn't reach OU instantly, they left the sinking ship.
The initial support failed when people the Robitailles duped found out that contrary to the Robitailles' false claims, these machines don't produce free energy, and are in fact very inefficient.
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But for Robespierre it may have been looking very promising. Imagine a dc motor. What does it consume, maybe couple of hundred watt. Then he saw the energy burst at selfoscillation frequency and 4 x 100 watt bulbs lighting up. Knowing such papers as the mentioned russian document, written by highly educted and established scientists at a time when Hysteresis losses, Lenz and Lorentz were already well understood, speaking of "the change of inductance can be obtained obviously with no effort" cetrainly can make one enthusiastic.
One can drink any flavor of tainted Kool-Aid(r) that they want and it doesn't change reality one bit.  The Robitailles claimed they had a working free energy machine from the get go.  They did not.  What is the appropriate label to apply to one who:  Tells a story that they know to be false for the purpose of extracting money from people who believe that false story?  I offer a hint:  It is five letters, begins with the letter "F" and ends with the letter "D".
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So Robespierre may have promised too much to hopegirl and her mother. Hopegirl believed it all and run the crowdfunding side, which is ok for me, unlike taxes for all the shit the authorities force us to eat on a daily base.
And people may believe that Santa Claus is coming to town.  The Robitailles' never once said:  "Oops, we were wrong.  We never tested correctly.  We have no idea if we can make this machine work the way we claimed."


So now they lost their home. A tragedy, but for ppl like tk this is yet another proof for being a scam, just like the weight problems of hopegirl. Not only unscientific, but moreover coldhearted.[/quote]What does losing their home have to do with their free energy scam?
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Those people round here who buried the QEG alive may not only be wrong, but in fact they spray the venom that kills any progress, very much for the sake of the energy industrial complex.
Oh dear, do you still believe the Robitailles' demonstrated false stories?
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How many oscilloscopes and measuring equipment needs a guy like TK to run an LED from his rooms electrosmog? Well, power the world with that.
What is that supposed to mean?
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In my opinion the qeg still has potential, and (in not understanding the following the notorious naysayers express the poor level of their existence) in a metaphysical way our beliefs have a great impact on the future. This I do not only believe, but I know it by experience.
And what evidence do you rely upon for that belief?  The highest power conversion efficiency tha they ever demonstrated was down around 35%. By what mechanism do you expect anyone could improve that to the point that it becomes over unity?
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BR
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on January 09, 2015, 09:21:39 AM
As I know the mood and often lack of competence of you guys, I even do not read your defences.


Like I said, I would really like to discuss further development of excitation by forced parametric inductance fluctuation, or also capacity fluctuation.


For instance, Woopy who reported very good output shortly before the desintegration of his setup due to mechanical stress at 3600 rpm. Laurent, are you still around?


BR
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on January 09, 2015, 10:07:23 AM
Let me think about the “big bang” for a second. Ok it banged from this dot “.” and the whole “known” universe was created.

What does that mean? That there is still FREEE ENERGY coming from the “big bang” reaching us and past us to the next planets that are ahead of us!

Ok, till this day we have this FREEE energy given to use by the GOD of “the big bang” and billions of other stars. Our ancestors used it and lived with out computers. The dinosaurs have lived longer than us with out computer not light bulbs. All have keep living due to the FREE ENERGY that is still traveling through space time. Look, there goes another molecule that just past the earths atmosphere that comes from “the big bang”, and there goes 100 billions more.

Well the “big bang” energy will dissipate eventually! And then there will be an “implosion” and the whole process will start again!

But what god told us that there is only one big bang? What of there are billions of “big bangs” banging around. Now things start to get interesting! We have sooooooooooooooo much FREEE energy that it cannot be calculated with your calculators! So much energy that if this world dies, there is enough for billions of life in other earths! You might think that I'm talking crazy stuff.... but I got a really check a long time ago, the universe does not revolve around us! We are inside the universe and the universe is our mom and dad, to put it in another way.

The QEGs are FREE ENERGY to keep us going. All of this energy comes from the “source” to fill up the earths gas tank! And if we think of multi-verses being social, we have more free energy that our tiny brain cannot comprehend!

If you think I'm crazy, I'm sure there's another rich crazy guy picturing charging millions of dollars to live on mars or another planet. Let me picture it....the earth is dying and the rich guy (ahem NASA) says, well you can live here on this planet if you pay me 1 million dollars, the ones who cannot afford it, sorry dodo birds. Their GREEDY mentality will never change that is why GREED is a mental disease = evolution never charged money.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on January 09, 2015, 11:24:40 AM
As I know the mood and often lack of competence of you guys, I even do not read your defences.


Like I said, I would really like to discuss further development of excitation by forced parametric inductance fluctuation, or also capacity fluctuation.


For instance, Woopy who reported very good output shortly before the desintegration of his setup due to mechanical stress at 3600 rpm. Laurent, are you still around?


BR
Well Dieter in determining reliability of someone's judgement on a subject perhaps you should consider their track record on that topic.  How have QEG's detractors done compared to QEG's believers?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on January 09, 2015, 11:31:17 PM
Like I said, I would really like to discuss further development of excitation by forced parametric inductance fluctuation, or also capacity fluctuation.

BR


You should study that scientific documentary series from the 1980's called "Back To The Future" where they have video evidence supporting capacity fluctuations and time travel. You can then conduct your own experiments with time travel.


Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ramset on January 10, 2015, 02:05:33 AM
Perpetual motion...


Big Bangs...


so since the beginning ,since the first moment ...everything has been in motion
at a level we cannot see,
Down to the smallest Atomic particle... forever and ever.....with out end.


no stopping for pitstops or quick fillups.
Just on and on and on...


bizzy little atoms


bizzy little creation doing its thing ,batteries not included ...
for ever and ever..


you wanna talk about Hollywood ,silly stuff...
try to beat that one.
or better yet
you wanna sound like a real Whacko..


try telling me there's no such thing as perpetual motion
 ::) 
and don't even waste your breathe telling me we will never figure out how to do the same thing or access the same energy..
heck
the fat lady hasn't even shown up yet.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 10, 2015, 07:10:12 AM
On subject for a second, it's amazing how the news has really trickled to a near halt.  What's Jamie up to?  Wasn't he chasing after 7 MHz or something like that?  It's been months and months now....  What about all the replications?  The big talk in the Skype room?  I assume the Be-Do forum is like a ghost town now.  I wonder how the most ardent believers in the beginning are feeling now.  What about the people that just "caught the wave" and believed that they had a working device and all that you had to do was download the plans and build it and it would work.  It's a "crisp" design, after all.  How do they feel now?

I wonder how the "crack" team at Tesla Energy Solutions is doing with both of their cores.  Parked next to the 10-coiler, perhaps?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on January 10, 2015, 02:18:43 PM
What, you didn't send in your 200 dollars for the "QEG Instruction Course" yet? Engineering Artiste Extraordinaire James Robitaille himself will be "teaching" the classes.

It's really just too bad that at the end of the whole thing, nobody will have a self-running QEG or even come close to what an ordinary generator will give them when powered by the same Big Honking Electric Motor that is necessary to "run" a QEG.

http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/qeg-instruction-course.html (http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/qeg-instruction-course.html)

Hurry! There is still time to register before classes start!


These people really have a huge amount of "chutzpah", or "gall" as it is known around here, don't they? It's too bad that you can't run a house on gall.
Free plans, open source, just build it and it will run itself. Oh... wait.... it doesn't really, so now pay 200 dollars to find out .... that even James himself can't get one to run itself.


Hey people... you will learn more actual valuable information by reading this thread, for FREE, from start to finish, than you will ever get for your 200 dollars paid to the cynical liar HopeGirl and her family to keep them living in vacationland for another couple of months.




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 10, 2015, 06:30:13 PM
Ha ha an online course.  They won't get more than five people!  That's just more arm-flailing in yet another attempt to create a revenue stream.  I call it creative begging.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on January 10, 2015, 08:18:38 PM
Ha ha an online course.  They won't get more than five people!  That's just more arm-flailing in yet another attempt to create a revenue stream.  I call it creative begging.
I call it astounding. What new information could the _failure_  of James Robitaille to achieve what they promised and claimed, well over a year ago, possibly "teach" anyone about the QEG?

I say again, QEGgers, you will learn more, for free, by reading this thread from start to finish than you will ever learn by wasting 200 dollars and untold hours of your time listening to James Robitaille... the person who apparently did not know the difference between reactive power and real power until THIS THREAD showed him.
"Overunity in VARs", remember? "Hours away from self-running", remember? "Just run it to resonance and it will run itself", remember? "You can even start it with a crank mechanism", remember? "1.3 MHz... no, 7MHz.... no, wait, 1.3 MHz after all"... remember? 

And of course, QEGgers, you will have my FREE playlist of the MicroQEG to refer to and compare to what you are being "taught" by Robitaille, where I show huge "OU in VARs", I demonstrate the principles of resonant tanks using inductors and capacitors, I show resonant tuning, resonant coupling between cored and non-cored inductors, and extraction of _real power_ both AC and DC, both high voltage and low voltage, from the system. For FREE, and with 20 dollars worth of apparatus and some "garage sale" scopes and meters.

What a joke the QEG has become. It will be hilarious to watch, when the inevitable leaks occur and the "educational" videos emerge into public view. Will they even have the "classes" at all, if only a few people take the bait and sign up? Let's not forget the promised weekly updates that never happened, the Q&As with James that never happened, the QEG powered water pump that never happened, the Free Energy devices in Taiwan, Morocco, the UK, in Pennsylvania, in Canada, in Australia, Germany, and everywhere else that _never happened_... and never will happen, while also recalling the over 200,000 dollars in donations and other compensation that has kept the Robitailles on their permanent vacation for the past year and more.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on January 11, 2015, 12:52:18 PM
markdansie, so you think it is not possible to obtain selfoscillation by means of periodic change of inductance or capacitance. So you basicly say this  1934 experiment and the document, that you have read, are made up?
Do you have any technical background at all? Don't answer these metaphoricly meant questions, I won't read it.
BR
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on January 11, 2015, 01:08:29 PM
Dieter when yyou ask someone a question and then declare that you will not read their answer it makes you look like you are closed-minded.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on January 11, 2015, 06:10:26 PM
markdansie, so you think it is not possible to obtain selfoscillation by means of periodic change of inductance or capacitance. So you basicly say this  1934 experiment and the document, that you have read, are made up?
Do you have any technical background at all? Don't answer these metaphoricly meant questions, I won't read it.
BR

!LOL!  Need I say more.

It may be possible to power a city for not just a few pico seconds but indefinately from a volume the size of a AAA battery with some yet to be discover, explored, engineered, managed energy source sans the threat of extinction  from its "unscheduled' release into the environment .  But if I were to promote it today and claim it as working.  Using Ockham's razor, which is more likely.  My interest in donations or my interest is powering a city.  Before you decide know that I have a demonstrated history of making claims and asking for donations.  Its a no-brainer really.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on January 11, 2015, 06:56:57 PM
BTW. this selfoscillation by means of inductance or capacity change (or fluctuation, if you prefer), that markdansie compared to the "flux capacitor" of the movie "back to the future"(effectively calling me an idiot) has nothing to do with the QEG. Those of you with a strange fixation on this thread should know that Woopy confirmed the selfoscillation phenomenon, by practical experiments. And I don't think Woopy is a liar. He certainly contributed more to the community than all the NNs (notorious naysayers) together.


People who call me an idiot make it onto my ignore list, esp. when they have no technical information value. No surprise I won't read their answers. I am just selectively ignorant... for good reasons.


BTW. Doc Browns Delorean was running on Aluminum, which is absolutely doable, once mixed with Gallium, just for those who want to know.


BR
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 11, 2015, 08:01:06 PM
He certainly contributed more to the community than all the NNs (notorious naysayers) together.
Unlikely.  Nobody in any OU community anywhere has contributed anything about their field to the body of scientific work ever.

Why?  Because the only thing an OU cheerleader can contribute is that OU is clearly and unambiguously real.  Every other outcome can be summed up as:

i) You thought it was real but you were mistaken.
ii) You realize it isn't real.

Both of these are already well documented. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on January 11, 2015, 08:08:33 PM
So what are you doing on this forum then?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 11, 2015, 08:26:48 PM
So what are you doing on this forum then?

I believe they call it mental masturbation.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 11, 2015, 08:46:12 PM
So what are you doing on this forum then?
This is pretty well documented.  At one time I would follow some of the postings of Philip Hardcastle who turned out to be something of an enormous fraud...and even more enormous asshole.

I sort of kept hanging around after that. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 11, 2015, 09:41:27 PM
Unlikely.  Nobody in any OU community anywhere has contributed anything about their field to the body of scientific work ever.

Why?  Because the only thing an OU cheerleader can contribute is that OU is clearly and unambiguously real.  Every other outcome can be summed up as:

i) You thought it was real but you were mistaken.
ii) You realize it isn't real.

Both of these are already well documented.

Very sad, but too true.

How many times have we heard this?

Well, it worked overunity until I took it apart, and now it no longer works.
My breakthrough was so advanced, that the MIB came to my house and threatened me, so , I took it apart.
I only need another $100,000 dollars to get it working again.
I don't have a working model, but I can sell you the plans for one for $25,000.

And on, and on.

HopelessGirl fits this profile to a T.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 12, 2015, 01:45:45 AM
Well, it worked overunity until I took it apart, and now it no longer works.
My breakthrough was so advanced, that the MIB came to my house and threatened me, so , I took it apart.
I only need another $100,000 dollars to get it working again.
I don't have a working model, but I can sell you the plans for one for $25,000.
The most common one for me is "it works in this small scale, so all I need is money to make a big one".

IMHO as someone who knows a thing or two about math.  The probability of making a small error is big and easily climbs to enormous the more variables you add.  So when you observe almost any unexpected effect on the small scale it is far more likely to be an error than anything else.   Even when you rigorously control things.   This isn't just in crazy places like this.  Science magazines publish nonsense and even journals.   Ioannidis is famous for a paper entitled - most published research is false.   Where they looked at the low rate of replication of research published in journals.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 12, 2015, 02:19:29 AM
*holds breath til bullsh!t storm passes*

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 12, 2015, 02:48:13 AM


*Crap-Z-ro*  You are ignoring this user.

Priceless.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 12, 2015, 03:18:06 AM
*side steps running sewar sludge*

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 12, 2015, 05:03:57 AM
OK, everyone here that is NOT ignoring Crap-Z-ro, please raise your hand.  Nobody?  No one?

OK, I thought as much.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 12, 2015, 05:31:46 AM
What a total loser, other arseholes must be so ashamed.

Ever notice how he likes to display his "intellectual prowess" once he found out about google.

I guess he never learned that is clearly states in the forum's 'Terms of Service' that arse kissers are prohibited from conducting polls...unless other arse kissers are willing to declare themselves as arse kissers in order to take the poll.

But, thats highly unlikely, as arse kissers need their anonymity.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on January 12, 2015, 11:16:56 AM
Holly cow, we have a pirate that is bitter because his “over unity” machine did no work. Then we have sarkeinzen whom cannot probably be qualified to be a doctor. Who else, well milehigh who is the dictator of this forum!

My god, who else needs to be added to the list of confused scientists wannabes?

Yes your ideas failed mainly mostly because your brain fails on you!

Are we really having this discussion? In math the “big bang” happened and then everything came to be! So from this dot “.” all the universe was born! Lets not think about how the dot '.” was born but letf focus on all of the FREEE ENERGY that it banged! I mean, even in math anyone can see numbers appear for FREEE...the galagy is being fed by freee energy and all of those smart people should see this!

But the again you have those people whom are CONFUSED by life! They like to live in their own little bottle and not look at life in a 360* angle.

I don't consider myself that smart but just based on the BS that comes out of these people, it seems to me like they are not that smart! And if they are not that smart, they don't really know what a QEG is!

It is so simplistic as looking at the QEG as a wave of energy in the ocean! Where the source is the “big bang” and the ripples are the FREE energy for all! Till the “big bang” implodes.

Even if I try to agree with then, what is their purpose in not agreeing in QEG's?

Milehigh seem to be fighting here to people don't spend their money stupidly! I wonder how he spends his money as if he is very knowledgeable about spending his money to preach! Or he is just here as a hero for all the ignorant! Milehigh, does not give concrete conclusions in his efforts!

What about the rest of  his followers? Like if QEGs will never work and have not worked since the beginning of time?

I already mentioned that the human made laws will never allow such QEGs to get out in the open, in north korea is the best bet since they don't depend on oil...i'm 100% certain they will get more support there than these old forum know-it-alls.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 12, 2015, 04:40:47 PM
Your posting is trash-talk junk just like the QEG is trash and junk.  Probably about $200,000 was given to the Robitaille family so they could run around the world and just do stupid stuff.  50 people getting together on the other side of the world to build a useless piece of junk that never worked and never will work is incredibly stupid stuff.

$200,000 could have done quite a bit for the people in impoverished rural areas in Morocco.  Perhaps a bunch of installations of solar-panel-powered water pumping and filtering stations could have been done, as an example.

Meanwhile the perpetrators of this lying scam continue to shamelessly lie and say totally stupid stuff.  Why don't you direct your energies towards the shameless liars that beg for money Joel?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on January 12, 2015, 08:45:15 PM
Whether or not the QEG has or will ever achieve overunity is one issue, but the fact that this forum is dominated by Anti-Free-Energy Activists who use cheap tricks like slander, embarassing, insulting etc. people in order to discourage us is an entirely separate issue. I have to ask myself why Stefan is tolerating such activities and shady motives.


However, discussing with said Activists is a waste of time, therefor I can only repeat to strongly ! suggest to make broad use of the ignore list.


BR

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on January 12, 2015, 09:10:36 PM
Dieter, "the fact that this forum is dominated by Anti-Free-Energy Activists who use cheap tricks like slander, embarassing, insulting etc. people in order to discourage us is an entirely separate issue.' That is not a fact but your opinion. I suggest that the majority bof the comments are from informed readers, who would like to have 'free energy'. Of course, ALL energy is free; you just pay for delivering it to you in a useful form. I am not a fan of the very large monies spent on various 'green' solutions, especially fusion research. We already have available a prime fuel to supply energy for millennia at a low cost, clean and safe.
It is called Thorium.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on January 12, 2015, 09:22:40 PM
Whether or not the QEG has or will ever achieve overunity is one issue, but the fact that this forum is dominated by Anti-Free-Energy Activists who use cheap tricks like slander, embarassing, insulting etc. people in order to discourage us is an entirely separate issue. I have to ask myself why Stefan is tolerating such activities and shady motives.
However, discussing with said Activists is a waste of time, therefor I can only repeat to strongly ! suggest to make broad use of the ignore list.
BR


Actually most of us would love to see free energy. We just challenge false claims and scam artists trying to profit from teh false claims. We also help trying to point out problems or flaws in measuring techniques and equipment drawn from many years experiecne.
Have a nice day
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 12, 2015, 09:53:26 PM
Whether or not the QEG has or will ever achieve overunity is one issue, but the fact that this forum is dominated by Anti-Free-Energy Activists who use cheap tricks like slander, embarassing, insulting etc. people in order to discourage us is an entirely separate issue. I have to ask myself why Stefan is tolerating such activities and shady motives.


However, discussing with said Activists is a waste of time, therefor I can only repeat to strongly ! suggest to make broad use of the ignore list.


BR

Suck on this attachment Dieter.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 12, 2015, 10:30:33 PM
the fact that this forum is dominated by Anti-Free-Energy Activists
I generally think that free-energy people are deluded people who can't do math.   That hardly makes me anything close to an activist. 
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However, discussing with said Activists is a waste of time, therefor I can only repeat to strongly ! suggest to make broad use of the ignore list.
Yes because actually dealing with ideas contrary to your own is HARD.  Instead surround yourself with people who will only tell you that you're "almost there". :)

I don't consider myself that smart
Don't worry.  Nobody does. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on January 12, 2015, 10:36:56 PM
Whether or not the QEG has or will ever achieve overunity is one issue, but the fact that this forum is dominated by Anti-Free-Energy Activists who use cheap tricks like slander, embarassing, insulting etc. people in order to discourage us is an entirely separate issue. I have to ask myself why Stefan is tolerating such activities and shady motives.


However, discussing with said Activists is a waste of time, therefor I can only repeat to strongly ! suggest to make broad use of the ignore list.


BR
Do you not find it relevant that the Robitailles, in particular:  Hope you will give me money Girl lied from the outset?  Do you not find it relevant that they never had any reliable basis on which to believe the stories they told in order to collect money?  If you seriously hope that someone can come up with a free energy device, then you should be incensed that charlatans like the Robitailles play on such hopes to commit fraud.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 12, 2015, 11:42:25 PM
I, and a number of others here have noticed the same thing dieter...and made similar comments.

Your post has flushed a few out of the wood work...as always happens when someone new happens to comment on it.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: cheappower2012 on January 13, 2015, 12:45:59 AM
to Dieter
In a way your right,too many people being hyper critical,too many hard line skeptics.
You do need a mix of skeptics and believers,if you have too many believers then
you get fairy dust and magic,
too many hard line skeptics and you destroy all creativity.
Right now a thinning of the herd is needed(hard line skeptics),Stefan
needs to ban some hard line skeptics.If I don't like what someone
says I seemly ignore it,when a roving mad dog skeptic comes into a conversation,where
he wasn't addressed ,pushing hes belief that a device is fake on me,yet can't show that it
is fake, by any way ,forcing there beliefs on me,then its time for Stefan to thin the herd.
I suggest starting a new post on which hard-line skeptics,Stefan should ban and why and vote on who should go,
then present it to Stefan.I suggest leaving one hard-line skeptic,my suggestion is leaving milehigh out of the list to ban.
but banning the others.They will of course be back,but they will get the point,if not the process can be repeated.
There are a lot of moderate skeptics in here I have no problem with them
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 13, 2015, 12:51:05 AM
to Dieter
In a way your right,too many people being hyper critical,too many hard line skeptics.
You do need a mix of skeptics and believers,if you have too many believers then
you get fairy dust and magic,
too many hard line skeptics and you destroy all creativity.
Right now a thinning of the herd is needed(hard line skeptics),Stefan
needs to ban some hard line skeptics.If I don't like what someone
says I seemly ignore it,when a roving mad dog skeptic comes into a conversation,where
he wasn't addressed ,pushing hes belief that a device is fake on me,yet can't show that it
is fake, by any way ,forcing there beliefs on me,then its time for Stefan to thin the herd.
I suggest starting a new post on which hard-line skeptics,Stefan should ban and why and vote on who should go,
then present it to Stefan.I suggest leaving one hard-line skeptic,my suggestion is leaving milehigh out of the list to ban.
but banning the others.They will of course be back,but they will get the point,if not the process can be repeated.
There are a lot of moderate skeptics in here I have no problem with them

Why don't you get out the skull measurement callipers while you are at it?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 13, 2015, 12:59:19 AM
to Dieter
In a way your right,too many people being hyper critical,too many hard line skeptics.
You do need a mix of skeptics and believers,if you have too many believers then
you get fairy dust and magic,
too many hard line skeptics and you destroy all creativity.
Right now a thinning of the herd is needed(hard line skeptics),Stefan
needs to ban some hard line skeptics.If I don't like what someone
says I seemly ignore it,when a roving mad dog skeptic comes into a conversation,where
he wasn't addressed ,pushing hes belief that a device is fake on me,yet can't show that it
is fake, by any way ,forcing there beliefs on me,then its time for Stefan to thin the herd.
I suggest starting a new post on which hard-line skeptics,Stefan should ban and why and vote on who should go,
then present it to Stefan.I suggest leaving one hard-line skeptic,my suggestion is leaving milehigh out of the list to ban.
but banning the others.They will of course be back,but they will get the point,if not the process can be repeated.
There are a lot of moderate skeptics in here I have no problem with them

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Hi dieter ,thanks for sharing.
To answer your question, at the end of the day, when all is said and done, they can't stay away because of fear.
Love never says the ends justify the means, only fear does that, in all its manifestations.
And the rest are just effects or the nuts and bolts.
If one does not grasp what i just said, then it is pointless discussing further, as explaining by the effects, will literally go over ones head.
Meaning, if one is polarized by fear, unconditional loving ways of living will not compute.
Some may know of Einstein, he said something like, the same thinking that caused a problem, cannot the solve the problem.
It really is a matter of one or the masses consciousness state, or some call spirituality.
It's a process to change embedded ways, similar to a freight train, takes time to slow, stop and then go in another direction, especially if people and groups are actively, with all their might, trying to keep that train from slowing and reversing.
peace love light and much wisdom on our journeys

Cheappower2012, are you just a sockpuppet for Skywatcher123?   i.e.; Tyson?

It sure as hell looks like it.   If it is indeed the case, we have the "peace, love, and light" flower child talking to a fascist like it's just normal.  Then the groovy peace-loving guy steps into his big sock puppet and comes back and also sounds like a fascist.

How about them apples?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on January 13, 2015, 01:03:24 AM
Hard line skeptics are that way for a good reason: they have seen the false claims too many times.
What Steve Spisak proposes is impossible and comes from a lack of understanding of elementary physics: gearing does not produce more energy out than in; otherwise you automobile transmission or bicycle gearing would be an OU device!
You do the same to skeptics what many skeptics do to 'true believers' : label them all the same.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 13, 2015, 01:10:57 AM
to Dieter
There are a lot of moderate skeptics in here I have no problem with them
So what is a moderate skeptic?  Someone who only thinks evidence and reason should drive decisions...sometimes?  Which times?

I suggest to you that what you think of as people being extra hard on you.  Is exactly the reaction that anyone would respond with when someone tries to peddle nonsense.  Think about it.  If I told you I had a magic knife which you could safely shove in your throat without harm.    Do you think you would be willing to let that go?  What if i tried to convince other people?  What if I held conferences and workshops teaching people how to make their own magic knives.  Would you let that stand?

To me, this is exactly the level of plausibility most of you are selling and watching you all chit-chat about how to best make a magic knife without actually entertaining the idea that the most likely case is that there IS NO SUCH THING AS MAGIC KNIVES is both amusing and sad.  Not to mention how many of you have sealed your ideas about magic knives up in little boxes where nobody is allowed to tell you that your ideas are bullshit and your observations are more likely delusions.

One might argue that compared to the magic knives, OU research is harmless.  I might argue that point but even if you're right all you're saying it's it's ok to delude yourself and deceive others as long as you think the cost is small.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rigel4 on January 13, 2015, 01:59:49 AM
Banning people that do not agree with you is not the way to go. While I am a new here at OU I have been posting for 4-5 years related to OU. To all the folks that want banning over the ignore feature,  is that you want? a heavy hand? We need open discussion without the FU. If anything we should stop the tongue-n-cheek  kindness that is really meant as a FU also.

Having a paypal button does not mean much to me. Saying you have something you don't and soliciting money on  "proven" false promises is another thing. I have offered to help others in the past, even if it did not pan out, but it's in everyone's interest to keep the discussion honest and educational.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 13, 2015, 02:07:24 AM


Holly cow, we have a pirate that is bitter because his “over unity” machine did no work. Then we have sarkeinzen whom cannot probably be qualified to be a doctor. Who else, well milehigh who is the dictator of this forum!

My god, who else needs to be added to the list of confused scientists wannabes?

Yes your ideas failed mainly mostly because your brain fails on you!

What the hell are you talking about now?  I have never attempted, nor have I ever once claimed to having attempted, to build, or have built, an Overunity device.  Never. That is never as in not even once.

Please provide me with any evidence that you may claim to have to support your false allegations.  You can't and we both know why.

Since I have never attempted to build such a device, logic would dictate therefore that I could not possibly have failed at it.  Everyone here that has been around for any amount of time knows that what I am saying is true.

They also know that your claim is false, baseless and made up.

So, to sum up, your sad attempt to point out made up failures of mine that never happened, is in itself a total failure.  Ironic isn't it?

Bill

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 13, 2015, 03:37:40 AM
Banning people that do not agree with you is not the way to go.

We need open discussion without the FU.

If anything we should stop the tongue-n-cheek  kindness that is really meant as a FU also.

...it's in everyone's interest to keep the discussion honest and educational.

I agree with all the points quoted above R14.

The missing element to having open and honest dialogue is 'moderation'...which we do not have here.

Therefore, the door is wide open for paid disinfo agents...try having a conversation or making a presentation with constant incessant interruption. 

It can't happen, which is why the subject of banning keeps being raised from time to time.

The only solution is for Stefan to appoint moderators with full authority to place offenders on read only status.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 13, 2015, 03:50:43 AM
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the door is wide open for paid disinfo agents

Sure, paid disinfo agents when the average researcher and builder around here struggles to display even a high school level of competency in the sciences.  People post things like "Please help me I have never wired up a transistor in my life" and you think the government is watching and actively suppressing what is going on?

It's all just in your head.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 13, 2015, 04:06:50 AM
...the average researcher and builder around here struggles to display even a high school level of competency in the sciences.
 

Its those un-indoctrinated minds that have the ability to think outside the box

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People post things like "Please help me I have never wired up a transistor in my life"...


All those  those un-indoctrinated minds need is a little advice along the way

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...and you think the government is watching and actively suppressing what is going on?

Said like a paid agent...its common knowledge the inbred elite are doing just that.

Why else would Tesla have been scrubbed from written history ?

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It's all just in your head.

Yeah...nothin' to see here, right ?

Thou doeth protest too strenuously.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 13, 2015, 04:10:22 AM
It's all just in your head.
No kidding.

But I suspect that most of these people don't really believe this.  They just use "shill", "disinfo agent", etc.. as some kind of insult.  None of them, from what I can see will straight up say: "Yes, sarkeizen I strongly believe that you get a check each time you post against OU here".  It's ridiculous on so many levels.  If I'm willing to spread disinformation surely I'm willing to lie about the places I post on to make more money without actually doing any work.  So what happens then?  Are there disinfo supervisors who check up on me? How is it tracked? Do I submit timesheets?  Do I get medical and dental?

How is this market even remotely competitive?  I get that there are people you can hire to click "like" on your youtube video a thousand times but these people get paid next to nothing.  I could work at McDonalds and get paid better.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 13, 2015, 04:22:02 AM
Another one gets drawn in.

Notice how the normal members are not protesting ?

Thats because moderation is not a issue for them.

The picture is becoming crystal clear.


I also noticed that I posted directly after the royal arse kisser without referring to him...but he didn't follow up reminding everyone that he had me on ignore ...and couldn't see my post, like he did when I was referencing his arse kissing prowess ?

Now, I guess the butt pirate doesn't have to pretend to have me on ignore anymore.

Regards...



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ramset on January 13, 2015, 04:24:45 AM

Sarc
I think you should take a few weeks off ,your tooo tightly wound
gonna pull a brain muscle or something.


there will be plenty of Lower life forms to save whence you return..


A holiday!!


go ahead Pull yourself outa the gutter ,you deserve much better.
send us a postcard.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 13, 2015, 04:45:22 AM
Sarc
I think you should take a few weeks off ,your tooo tightly wound
gonna pull a brain muscle or something.

A holiday!!

go ahead Pull yourself outa the gutter ,you deserve much better.



send us a postcard.

Preferably from some place without internet.


A good straight-man is hard to find.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 13, 2015, 04:48:31 AM
I think you should take a few weeks off ,your tooo tightly wound
Actually it's pretty relaxing posting here.  :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on January 13, 2015, 05:21:25 AM
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The only solution is for Stefan to appoint moderators with full authority to place offenders on read only status.

Here is my opinion and PROBABILITIES that it will never bring truth. I like this forum because there is no “president” where a moderator can get in the way. Since real life is such! No parent moderates others kids only their own! And this is how this forum is.

Once the moderator comes in to moderate, then I'm 100% sure there will be BIAS involve or FAVORITISM!

The IGNORE button is not just on a forum page but in the mental too. NO one is forsing anyone else to respond to someone else. They do it on their own FREE WILL.

Can you imagine who is qualified to be a moderator? Lol, this might come and bite you in the butt and get moderated yourself! Lol ...lets make MILeHIGH a moderator, I'll definitely do like a tree and leaf! lol

just my two cents from taking a careful look how moderating works!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 13, 2015, 05:42:24 AM
Once the moderator comes in to moderate, then I'm 100% sure there will be BIAS involve or FAVORITISM!
There are plenty of forums with light moderation.  I'd be the absolutely perfect moderator here. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on January 13, 2015, 06:00:52 AM
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There are plenty of forums with light moderation.  I'd be the absolutely perfect moderator here.

Do you have a PHD on moderating? Ohhh, no one needs one. You just want to moderate me with your bias mushy brain matter!!!

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 13, 2015, 06:04:27 AM


Can you imagine who is qualified to be a moderator?

I am, and have been a Moderator in certain areas of this forum for over 6 years now.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 13, 2015, 06:28:47 AM
I have all 5 merit badges offered by the Woodchucks.

*said in my best Wally Cox voice*

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on January 13, 2015, 07:44:54 AM
To be on the fence or to still be a believer of that scam called FTW is a natural process.  Or should I say a phase.  One of which ought to be moved passed.  After anyone who has doubts, a natural phase, and does a simple search on this forum and cross references acg with qeg, for you to not pass through being on the fence or to still be a believer you would have to be a fool.  A fool can evade reason and reality.  No fool can escape the circus.

Use your own faculties of lipstick, powder, and puff while reading this:
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/01/11/important-qeg-correspondence-classes-start-this-week/

And view this which is referenced from the "read this" above while putting on them size 15 shoes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ztt3R4Bu_0

Queue the clown trumpets.

P.S: Dieter, take two of these anti "wait and see" viral pills and call me in the morning.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on January 13, 2015, 07:55:26 AM

*Crap-Z-ro*  You are ignoring this user.

Priceless.

Bill

Indeed!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 13, 2015, 12:55:02 PM
You just want to moderate me with your bias mushy brain matter!!!
joel321 - If I didn't want to talk to you I'd put you on ignore.  It's very easy. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 13, 2015, 02:48:11 PM
Indeed!

I personally do not feel the need to totally ignore people/trolls.

Every now and again trolls can be amusing...anything is possible.

Even a blind squirrel will get a nut every once in a while...this one must be getting pretty hungry by now tho.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on January 13, 2015, 09:56:25 PM
To me it is rather clear why certain naysayers are so active in this forum since many years, despite the repeated begging of many of us to move on an get out of here.


Somebody who continously makes fun of "fools who believe in overunity" has chosen to spend remarkably long time in a forum named Overunity.


These individuals seem to be paid and they need that money, so they can't "quit".


Banning won't keep them away, they got too much chutzge... Moderation is dangerous since such individuals are experts in infiltration of strategic positions...


Interesting how certain subjects suddently became very silent when the topic was pedophilia... a correlation that would not surprise me, as prefered agents are often subject of blackmails by the nwo hierarchy.


Anyway, I most likely will discuss my projects no longer in public, but use  PMs and a list of trusted and interested people instead.


BR
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on January 13, 2015, 10:08:39 PM
For me it is rather clear why certain naysayers are so active in this forum since many years, despite the repeated begging of many of us to move on an get out of here.


Somebody who continously makes fun of "fools who believe in overunity" has chosen to spend remarkably long time in a forum named Overunity.


These individuals seem to be paid and they need that money, so they can't "quit".
Evidence???
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Banning won't keep them away, they got too much chutzge... Moderation is dangerous since such individuals are experts in infiltration of strategic positions...
Again:  Evidence???  Can you cite even a single case where "such an individual" has been shown to infiltrate a "strategic position"?  That would be quite remarkable.
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Interesting how certain subjects suddently became very silent when the topic was pedophilia... a correlation that would not surprise me, as prefered agents are often subject of blackmails by the nwo hierarchy.
The only topic I am aware of that has included pedophilia is the one covering Sterling Allan's confessions/not confessions to pedophilia and him expecting arrest at any time.  Are you suggesting that pedophilia is a common behavior among "prefered agents"?  What are these people "prefered agents" of?  Do you mean proponents of free energy are frequently pedophiles vulnerable to blackmail?  That too would be extraordinary were it true.  How many cases of pedophile blackmail by the nwo can you document?
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Anyway, I most likely will discuss my projects no longer in public, but use  PMs and a list of trusted and interested people instead.


BR
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 13, 2015, 11:26:22 PM
These individuals seem to be paid and they need that money, so they can't "quit".
So you are absolutely sure that say someone like me.  Actually gets a check(or perhaps shadow organizations use direct deposit these days) when I post here.  Real. Cash. Money.   Absolutely serious.  I mean if that's your assertion please just say "yes" but I suspect this is more a disparaging comment than an actual accusation.

I would actually find it interesting to talk to someone who absolutely for real thought I got paid for posting here.   It would be interesting to see what that kind of delusion looks like up close.  Do they think I have a day job?  If not what do I tell people I do?  Who would I say I work for?  Do I have a social group?  Perhaps this is a reference point outside of most of the OU community but social groups very often have conversations centering around work.  What would you imagine I do there?  Do they imagine I get paid well?  Do I get to expense my internet?  Do I file a tax return?

So deluded guy (I forget your actual nick) the reason you can't think of answers to all these questions is that you are either just making this up as a kind of insult to throw at someone OR you're deluded.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on January 14, 2015, 02:31:32 AM
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Anyway, I most likely will discuss my projects no longer in public, but use  PMs and a list of trusted and interested people instead.


BR

Top Secret Open Source!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 14, 2015, 02:37:33 AM
Evidence???Again:  Evidence???  Can you cite even a single case where "such an individual" has been shown to infiltrate a "strategic position"?  That would be quite remarkable. The only topic I am aware of that has included pedophilia is the one covering Sterling Allan's confessions/not confessions to pedophilia and him expecting arrest at any time.  Are you suggesting that pedophilia is a common behavior among "prefered agents"?  What are these people "prefered agents" of?  Do you mean proponents of free energy are frequently pedophiles vulnerable to blackmail?  That too would be extraordinary were it true.  How many cases of pedophile blackmail by the nwo can you document?

 Coincidently, I spoke of my firm belief that the world is controlled by an inbred “elite” ring of satanic murderous pedophiles.
 
I can’t recall much interest in discussing the biggest elephant of all, right here in the middle of the room.

They recruit operatives by kidnapping satanic ritualistic torture and mind control programming.[/font]

I imagine it could very well also be that some of them are internet trolls…after all they are in mainstream media.
 
Some of you may recall the press club meetings journalist that Dubya gave a big warm hug to…who turned out to also have a male escort web site.
 
To that end, the link below is a good starting point if you’re interested at all in the world you live in.

http://aangirfan.blogspot.ca/2014/02/johnny-gosch-bush-and-blair.html (http://aangirfan.blogspot.ca/2014/02/johnny-gosch-bush-and-blair.html)

And dieter, please do stay around.
 
Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 14, 2015, 02:43:40 AM
Sounds like a sexploitation B movie.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 14, 2015, 02:57:29 AM
The pedophile pope would be proud.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 14, 2015, 04:32:27 AM
What the hell are you talking about now?  I have never attempted, nor have I ever once claimed to having attempted, to build, or have built, an Overunity device.  Never. That is never as in not even once.

Please provide me with any evidence that you may claim to have to support your false allegations.  You can't and we both know why.

Since I have never attempted to build such a device, logic would dictate therefore that I could not possibly have failed at it.  Everyone here that has been around for any amount of time knows that what I am saying is true.

They also know that your claim is false, baseless and made up.

So, to sum up, your sad attempt to point out made up failures of mine that never happened, is in itself a total failure.  Ironic isn't it?

Bill

Joel:

You never responded to this so I take it to mean that yes, you did just make this up, and no, you have no proof that what you claimed was true.

Thank you for this acknowledgement.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on January 14, 2015, 12:14:51 PM
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You never responded to this so I take it to mean that yes, you did just make this up, and no, you have no proof that what you claimed was true.

Thank you for this acknowledgement.

Yeah I make things up because I make more money that way! Lol, I'm not even trying to waste any more energy on you sir. You seem to have learned that you are a hunter here just seeking for attention only to believe you will always be 100% correct 100% of the time! That's not how “evolution” works! And I'm 100% sure you are not even 50% correct most of the time attention seeker! lol

Is not the USA army going to power their navy with water and their planes too in the years to come? They told that to the public a few months age you Dumbo! lol

Ohh but you want me to speak about your electronic skills? lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 14, 2015, 02:41:06 PM
you will always be 100% correct 100% of the time!
I think we all know who says they are "100% correct" the most around here and it's not pirate. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on January 15, 2015, 01:44:52 PM
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I think we all know who says they are "100% correct" the most around here and it's not pirate

Do you always defend Pirate88179 even if you don't make sense?

I seriously wasted some of my time to try to understand the guy but nothing intelligent comes out of his mouth, at the present time I only see him as a cult “leader”...

Sarkeizen, how has he helped you in understanding the future?

Sarkeizen, has he helped you to understand anything at all? Please speak the truth!

Sarkeizen, did he teach you anything that you are like “i owe my life to this guy”? If he did, what was it?

Lets put a stop to this stupidity once and for all!  ::)

Why do you feel the need to "defend" him? SInce it is 100% OBVIOUS THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING!

Do tell?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on January 15, 2015, 03:09:47 PM
Yeah I make things up because I make more money that way! Lol, I'm not even trying to waste any more energy on you sir. You seem to have learned that you are a hunter here just seeking for attention only to believe you will always be 100% correct 100% of the time! That's not how “evolution” works! And I'm 100% sure you are not even 50% correct most of the time attention seeker! lol

Is not the USA army going to power their navy with water and their planes too in the years to come? They told that to the public a few months age you Dumbo! lol

Ohh but you want me to speak about your electronic skills? lol
No there are no such plans.  The US Navy is working on plans to take energy from nuclear reactors and apply that energy to water and air as feed stocks to produce liquid fuels.  All the energy and a lot of waste energy will all come from the nuclear fuel.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 15, 2015, 03:51:36 PM
Do you always defend Pirate88179 even if you don't make sense?
No I only defend people when it makes sense.  You claimed that someone couldn't accept that they were wrong and I just pointed out that you say "100%" a lot.  More than anyone I've ever met.
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Sarkeizen, has he helped you to understand anything at all? Please speak the truth!
He reminded me that this board has an ignore function.  That was very helpful. :)
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Why do you feel the need to "defend" him?
I'm not really defending him as much as I'm admonishing you. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 15, 2015, 08:18:01 PM
I have "1000%" more respect for Bill than I do for Joel.

Magic sea water is turning into fuel!  Oops!... I guess that he didn't have enough BRAINS to actually READ the article.

Look at that cantaloupe!  It's a QEG!  Can't you SEEEE?  I went to the beach and looked at all the rocks.  The rocks are QEGs!  Can't you SEEEE?  Are you blind or something?  Rocks are FREEE!!!

After about nine months the QEG is totally dead, it's become a farce.  There is not a single person or group on planet Earth that can make a credible statement that their QEG has "gone beyond the dimensions of a doorstop" and yet a new guy shows up to convince us that it's all FREEE.  What follows is a huge series of nonsensical postings that convince nobody of anything.

Look at your bellybutton lint!!!  Study it carefully!!!

Bill has my respect.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 15, 2015, 08:22:10 PM
In life, an itchy arse always holds an arse kisser in high esteem.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 15, 2015, 08:27:04 PM
Just try to conduct yourself like a normal human being.  I know it's hard, but you can do it if you try.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 15, 2015, 11:20:34 PM
A reader writes in...

Its hard to soar like an eagle when you're surrounded by turkeys.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: dieter on January 15, 2015, 11:49:03 PM
Cap, thanks for pointing that out.


Regarding to Springmeier, the fuckups of the MK usually are turned into Stalkers.


Ever since the introduction of traumatization of the newborn by King Kyros II, programming by traumatization is used for MK purposes, the satanic doctrine, right to the cia's MKultra...


And then there's "TIPPS", bushs program for citizens to spy on oneanother, which quickly lead to the formation of the Gangstalking phenomenon. Along with other already existing Gangstalking, eg. by sects etc.


I also just read a blog about a company "Terawatt", in the field of overunity devices, with a former cia director in the executive office. strange, isn't it?
www.truthistreason.net/terawatt-research-free-energy-the-cia

And guys, don't waste time in wrestling with "them"...


BR
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 16, 2015, 12:20:59 AM
Regarding to Springmeier, the fuckups of the MK usually are turned into Stalkers.
Because you have enough information about MK to make a detailed analysis as to it's outcomes. :)
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I also just read a blog about a company "Terawatt", in the field of overunity devices, with a former cia director in the executive office. strange, isn't it?
Only I suppose if you believe in OU and conspiracies to suppress it.  To the rational folks who have worked in a start up or two.  It's entirely SOP to staff them with people you know personally or through work.  Check.  The fact that it might claim to be an OU company just shows that CIA, FBI people are stupid enough to buy in.   If we learned anything from MKUltra is that the CIA isn't exactly very bright.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on January 16, 2015, 12:23:18 AM
Thats whats going on for sure dieter.

I've learned that if you enter the pig pen to wrestle a pig, after a while you'll findout  that the pig is having a better time than you are.

Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 16, 2015, 04:20:46 AM
HopelessGirl is still eating fresh lobster on the beach it seems.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 18, 2015, 03:51:32 AM
I don't know if Val's January 2015 update from Morocco on the Be-Do forum was linked to already:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/627-qeg-update-from-qeg-mom (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/627-qeg-update-from-qeg-mom)

Of course what's stated in the update is in complete contradiction from their own documents on Be-Do, but I have lost the desire to show the glaring lies and deception.

Posted on January 5th, and it is averaging about 15 whole views per day.  No Be-Doer zombies have bothered to comment.

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We admit we thought we would have had the answer by now and may in fact have it. Will know more after the analysis of specific additional winding/coil tests performed in Florida.

Yeah sure.  The brainiacs in Florida would fail the "single-component circuit analysis test" with flying colours.  Can you imagine them doing winding/coil tests?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 19, 2015, 04:00:10 AM
I don't know if Val's January 2015 update from Morocco on the Be-Do forum was linked to already:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/627-qeg-update-from-qeg-mom (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/627-qeg-update-from-qeg-mom)

Of course what's stated in the update is in complete contradiction from their own documents on Be-Do, but I have lost the desire to show the glaring lies and deception.

Posted on January 5th, and it is averaging about 15 whole views per day.  No Be-Doer zombies have bothered to comment.

Yeah sure.  The brainiacs in Florida would fail the "single-component circuit analysis test" with flying colours.  Can you imagine them doing winding/coil tests?

I thought they said they already had overunity with the machine built in PA?  Where is that machine I wonder?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on January 19, 2015, 07:09:12 AM
I thought they said they already had overunity with the machine built in PA?  Where is that machine I wonder?

Bill

Yep, in April of 2014, Valerie Robitaille posting as "Naicheval Robitai" (sic) was asked if they had a working QEG and she replied that they did have a 10 kW working QEG and 40 kW was their goal.

Of course "working" to us means working as claimed, i.e. self running and putting out 10 kW of useful power.

But later on, we all found out that "working" doesn't really mean "working as claimed" to the Robitialles. It only means lighting up some light bulbs at less than 50 percent efficiency.

Where is that machine? Nowhere, because they never actually had a machine that works as they claimed, and still claim in the FAQs and the "official plans". She simply lied.

Below is a screenshot from a forum which preserved the transcript of the Skype discussion where Valerie Robitialle made the claim. Note that she is talking to Evens Abellard, of the Canada QEG group:
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 19, 2015, 07:24:42 AM
The lying gangsta moll!!!   :-X
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on January 19, 2015, 07:53:21 AM
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I have "1000%" more respect for Bill than I do for Joel.

Well how does that saying goes, “you are what you eat!” lol

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Magic sea water is turning into fuel!  Oops!... I guess that he didn't have enough BRAINS to actually READ the article.

Yeah life is just all about magic trying to out magic the other magician. lol

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Look at that cantaloupe!  It's a QEG!  Can't you SEEEE?  I went to the beach and looked at all the rocks.  The rocks are QEGs!  Can't you SEEEE?  Are you blind or something?  Rocks are FREEE!!!

Stupid little grain of sand molecule trying to speak about the creation of life! I'm sure if you where to start a business, it would go down hill quickly. Is not like you are the ULTIMATE key to LIFE. You are only speaking about IGNORANSE and basking on the attention you get from your EGO! Lol this guy believes that the atomic world is not what we are trying to learn!

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After about nine months the QEG is totally dead, it's become a farce.  There is not a single person or group on planet Earth that can make a credible statement that their QEG has "gone beyond the dimensions of a doorstop" and yet a new guy shows up to convince us that it's all FREEE.  What follows is a huge series of nonsensical postings that convince nobody of anything.

it is pretty simple, FIRST tell me how people learn from past experiences then tell me who taught you the way you think! Then tell me how you see the for “INFINITY” molecular movement not a QEG?

Tell me the “powers” that keep the neutron REVOLVING around the “nucleus”? I'll 100% sure you believe the sun is not a QEG and there is a guy always supplying it with tree trucks to keep it burning. lol


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Bill has my respect.

Well I have debated with bill and he is not that smart regarding my scientific studies! Scientifically, “you are what you eat” or “who you hang around with”.  8)




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 19, 2015, 12:09:30 PM
Joel:

Like usual, most of what you say makes very little sense.

As far as the atomic world goes, there is no connection to the QEG.  None!  !Nada!

Why does an electron spin around a nucleus forever?  Instead of just blindly making a false connection with the QEG, you can look it up and learn for yourself.  You have electrical attraction between the positively charged nucleus and the negatively charged spinning electrons.  There is even a small amount of gravitational attraction.  When you are at the scale of an atom, it's looks like a solar system again.  It's like the nucleus is like a sun that is millions of miles away and the electron is orbiting in empty space.  There is also the business of wave-particle duality, and that is part of why the s, p, d, f electron shells exist.  There is even a Walter Lewin MIT lecture on YouTube where he discusses the example of the hydrogen atom and he calculates the angular velocity of the electron.

So instead of saying, "Doh!  The planets and electrons spin forever and that's just like a QEG, so that means the QEG might work for FREEE!" - look it up and learn this stuff about planets and electrons yourself if you want to - it has nothing to do with a QEG.  Right now it would appear to me you are bathing in IGNORANCE.

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I'll 100% sure you believe the sun is not a QEG and there is a guy always supplying it with tree trucks to keep it burning. lol

Doh!  Look it up again and learn how the sun crushes hydrogen and turns it into helium and that's what powers the sun.  It has nothing to do with a QEG.

Your scientific studies?  Out of 213 posts you probably made about 150 posts about the QEG and they were all basically the same, "Look at the rocks on the ground.  They are like a QEG!  Rocks are FEEEE!"  !Muy estupido!

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 19, 2015, 10:48:27 PM
I noticed that good old Allegedly Dave has the comments open on one of his YouTube QEG clips.  All of the others have the comments disabled so it came as a pleasant surprise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXA2EMInHJg

Just for the hell of it I dropped him a note:

So Dave, here we are in January 2015.  Is it finally dawning on you what a retarded nonsensical mess this is? Can you face the fact that Naima LIED when she said that all you have to do is download the plans and build it and it will start powering itself?  The whole thing was a con from the very beginning to solicit money from that segment of people that want to believe no matter what.  The rounds of begging are still going on.  The big cheers when the QEG finally allowed the mains power to pass through it's LC resonator in order to power a few light bulbs at around 30% efficiency look pretty stupid now, don't they?  Have you ever seen any serious power-in vs. power-out measurements done by a replication team?  Where is the bloody promised UK report?  This criminal sham is simply disgusting.  The Be-Do forum is nothing more than a totalitarian ghost town now where nobody has anything to say.  The initial ridiculous grandiose claims vs. the reality one year later = LIES.  James is no "engineer" he couldn't even decipher his own waveforms.  Seeing him climb up a ladder to "tap into" a "7 MHz signal that would be the 'key' to over unity" is nothing more than a black comedy sketch that you might see in the movie Dr. Strangelove.  The whole thing is DEAD and $200,000 USD has been poured down the drain so that Naima and her accomplices could run around the world and babble meaningless nonsense to gullible people.  I am disgusted.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 20, 2015, 01:46:05 AM


Well how does that saying goes, “you are what you eat!” lol


Does this mean that you eat stupid things?  That would explain a lot.

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You are only speaking about IGNORANSE and basking on the attention you get from your EGO!


At least when he speaks, he knows how to spell.  You can't make this stuff up...ha ha.

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Well I have debated with bill and he is not that smart regarding my scientific studies! Scientifically, “you are what you eat” or “who you hang around with”.  8)


What scientific studies?  Where have you studied?  If I were you, I would ask for my money back.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on January 20, 2015, 08:26:05 AM
I noticed that good old Allegedly Dave has the comments open on one of his YouTube QEG clips.  All of the others have the comments disabled so it came as a pleasant surprise.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXA2EMInHJg

Just for the hell of it I dropped him a note:

So Dave, here we are in January 2015.  Is it finally dawning on you what a retarded nonsensical mess this is? Can you face the fact that Naima LIED when she said that all you have to do is download the plans and build it and it will start powering itself?  The whole thing was a con from the very beginning to solicit money from that segment of people that want to believe no matter what.  The rounds of begging are still going on.  The big cheers when the QEG finally allowed the mains power to pass through it's LC resonator in order to power a few light bulbs at around 30% efficiency look pretty stupid now, don't they?  Have you ever seen any serious power-in vs. power-out measurements done by a replication team?  Where is the bloody promised UK report?  This criminal sham is simply disgusting.  The Be-Do forum is nothing more than a totalitarian ghost town now where nobody has anything to say.  The initial ridiculous grandiose claims vs. the reality one year later = LIES.  James is no "engineer" he couldn't even decipher his own waveforms.  Seeing him climb up a ladder to "tap into" a "7 MHz signal that would be the 'key' to over unity" is nothing more than a black comedy sketch that you might see in the movie Dr. Strangelove.  The whole thing is DEAD and $200,000 USD has been poured down the drain so that Naima and her accomplices could run around the world and babble meaningless nonsense to gullible people.  I am disgusted.

Thanks!!! for mentioning the blooding UK report.  This has been asked so many times I do not think that even the UK group knows where it is.  Perfect post by the way.

Witness how Dave reasons away reality.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on January 20, 2015, 08:34:51 AM
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As far as the atomic world goes, there is no connection to the QEG.  None!  !Nada!
Quantum Energy Generator has NOTHING to do with a QEG!....or “atamic worlds”...ok.

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Why does an electron spin around a nucleus forever?  Instead of just blindly making a false connection with the QEG, you can look it up and learn for yourself.  You have electrical attraction between the positively charged nucleus and the negatively charged spinning electrons.  There is even a small amount of gravitational attraction.  When you are at the scale of an atom, it's looks like a solar system again.  It's like the nucleus is like a sun that is millions of miles away and the electron is orbiting in empty space.  There is also the business of wave-particle duality, and that is part of why the s, p, d, f electron shells exist.  There is even a Walter Lewin MIT lecture on YouTube where he discusses the example of the hydrogen atom and he calculates the angular velocity of the electron.

Well we are making PROGRESS! BUT! Tell me the human made energy that makes the molecules spin?

There is a blind contradiction in the POPULARITY of the world. And if I make a science and try to teach, we know that there are particles that are traveling faster than light particles!!!

so NO NERD CAN SIT HERE AND TELL ME THAT THERE ARE NO PARTICLES THAT TRAVEL FASTER THAN THE SPEED OF LIGHT! In “fact” “expansion "universe" is traveling faster than the speed of light. SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO for a fact is that THERE ARE PARTICLES THAT TRAVEL FASTER THAN LIGHT!!!!!

What you really need is someone to pull you down from your high horse!

If the universe is expanding faster than the speed of light, does that not mean that the speed of light can be broken? In FACT the world is so crazy that we are moving faster than the speed of light right now but we don't feel it! But I guess you already knew that! We are moving FASTER than the speed of light but yet i'm told that nothing is faster than the speed of light....and that is not even amazing, i'm sitting in a chair while i'm traveling faster than the speed of light. Well my human senses are sooooo stupid as to not understand the SPEED OF LIGHT since i don't feel it with my meat nerves.

The relevant point is, have you figured out everything?

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So instead of saying, "Doh!  The planets and electrons spin forever and that's just like a QEG, so that means the QEG might work for FREEE!" - look it up and learn this stuff about planets and electrons yourself if you want to - it has nothing to do with a QEG.  Right now it would appear to me you are bathing in IGNORANCE.

When you break down food, it goes all the way to the quantum! When you break down thoughts, they go allll the way down to the quantum!

We SERIOUSLY don't know what FUELSSSS the QUANTUM molecules...we civilized animals r only trying to figure out the sub-atomic world. There is no way you can say that QEGS don't work when you are learning about sub-atomic particles that you cannot even make a flu vaccine for all flu viruses.....then you say that QEG's don't work!!!! IGNORANT!

ok, based on what SCIENTIFIC STUDIES? You have never made any research? Since you are high up in the mountains!

Milehigh, yet another egotistical person on a forum...lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 20, 2015, 11:08:51 AM
Well, one more time you are going off into space and talking about things that are not relevant and have no relationship whatsoever to the QEG so I am not going to comment on them.

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There is no way you can say that QEGS don't work

This is the same subject that comes up all the time on the forums.  It feels sometimes like some people are stuck in a revolving door going around and around in circles.

The burden of proof to show that the QEG works is on the shoulders of Naima and all of the replicators.  I don't have to prove a single thing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on January 20, 2015, 01:41:18 PM
QEGs don't work!


There, that was easy enough.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 20, 2015, 03:16:57 PM
There is no way you can say that QEGS don't work
Only in the same sense you can't say I don't have an invisible, ethereal dragon in my garage.

However we can talk about someone more useful.  When a hypothesis has an EXPECTATION something which is a statistical consequence of the hypothesis being true.  We can say that when we don't see QEG then it must reduce our confidence in the QEG.

Same thing with Philip Hardcastle's nonsense, profits's super-easy-anyone-can-do-it-free-energy-machine.

The higher the likelihood you put on your outcome the higher cost to the hypothesis when it fails.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on January 21, 2015, 10:43:59 AM
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However we can talk about someone more useful.  When a hypothesis has an EXPECTATION something which is a statistical consequence of the hypothesis being true.  We can say that when we don't see QEG then it must reduce our confidence in the QEG.

you can say what ever you want! Even feel that you understand the whole universe.

But lets do some SCIENTIFIC observations!

How do you fix an HVAC SYTEM? – explain from all possible angels. All modern homes have an air conditioning. All businesses have the same modern air conditioning!

How do you repair a gasoline engine? All cars are mostly fuel by gasoline though we have diesel too (which is a type of gasoline) and electric. Explain how would you go about fixing one from all possible angles?

Then to even put it very simplistic, explain HOW TO FIX EVEN A HOME CEILING FAN? From every possible angle! From a probability that the motor windings shorted out, to the way one balances the fan blades, to maybe the switch went bad, etc etc...=all angles!.

Then lets get a little in to the psychological way of thinking of people. Why does a diamond ROCK costs thousandths of dollars and a piece of tree 5 times bigger than the diamond costs 5 cents, or not even that much?

Now tell me about why there are particles that are traveling faster than the speed of light and they are not light particles?

Then tell me how MONEY WORKS? Tell me the history of money and how IT ALL STARTED!?

For some reason i have a feeling you will not  answer all of my questions (not even 1%) because you don't know the answers to them and not even be close to answering YOUR REALITY...go ahead, let me see! :)...I'm doing mental SCIENCE!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 21, 2015, 11:52:12 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_VcAY1PAG8
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on January 21, 2015, 03:45:41 PM
you can say what ever you want! Even feel that you understand the whole universe.

But lets do some SCIENTIFIC observations!
That's exactly what hypothesis testing is, and which is why if a hypothesis has an expectation you need to think the hypothesis is somewhat wrong if expectation is not observed.  We expect to see a QEG when someone who is experienced and an expert says "It will be done tomorrow".    When we don't see the QEG tomorrow we must say our hypothesis is somewhat wrong.  Either the QEG is impossible or the person who said does not have sufficient expertise to make that prediction. :)

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For some reason i have a feeling you will not  answer all of my questions (not even 1%) because you don't know the answers to them and not even be close to answering YOUR REALITY...go ahead, let me see! :)...I'm doing mental SCIENCE!
Again I think I need troll->English translation here.  Sure I'm not going to bother with answering your questions about things that don't have to do with hypothesis testing and I fully admit I don't know how completely I could answer them.  It's interesting though that clearly these are things you feel competent in and apparently use to make yourself feel better about being ignorant in just about everything else you talk about. :)

...and of course rather than think about something you'll use my not answering questions as a way to feel better about yourself.  Is there anything you do that isn't patting yourself on the back?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on January 27, 2015, 05:04:48 AM
Quick! Drop everything now.  Dolla dolla bill girl is about to confess to why FTW scammed the world.

https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/01/26/the-qeg-in-2015-hopegirl-public-statement-why-we-did-what-we-did/

As what a reasonable person would interpret from her latest blog title.  Or..... will this be another one of the same old, hang in their, keep it going, send more bucks.  The usual "why we did" for the umpteen time.  But instead of ME posting all the links proving this pattern, I challenge her followers WITH YOUR OWN EYES read through the hopegirl2012 blog.

Let me know this extraordinary thing and things accomplished as she said at the end.  Would an automatic water pump for the people of Auchtam be one of them?  Or living fat off the qeg donation land be it.

Oh and for that fuzzy image this blog post, never has it been truer that a picture explains a thousand words.  Anyone notice anything in the video?  I'll give you a hint, its yellow and minutes away.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on February 10, 2015, 05:57:55 AM
You thought the "promoting" was over right?

https://newearthparadigm.wordpress.com/2015/02/07/a-vision-for-free-energy/

I particularly like one of the post saying their intuition is telling them.... Because we all know machines and devices ignore design and bend to the will of random people at great distances simply because they have a gut feeling.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on February 10, 2015, 06:16:39 AM
You thought the "promoting" was over right?

https://newearthparadigm.wordpress.com/2015/02/07/a-vision-for-free-energy/

I particularly like one of the post saying their intuition is telling them.... Because we all know machines and devices ignore design and bend to the will of random people at great distances simply because they have a gut feeling.
Way back when the Steorn free energy scam was running they managed toget a technician on camera saying something like:  "I can smell the free energy."
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on February 10, 2015, 02:54:22 PM
Did you know that HypeGirl has been actively trying to get my YT videos taken down and my account closed? Yep, that's right, she posted some comments under a few of the QEG-exposing vids claiming that I was violating YT Community Guidelines, promoting hatred and so on and that she had reported me to YT trying to get my videos removed and even my account closed. Blah blah blah. Of course none of my videos do what she accused, the Community Guidelines are very clear about what is not allowed and my videos do not infringe at all.  She's trying anything she can think of to have the Truth about her and her scams suppressed and removed from public view. Of course nothing has come of that, the moderators at YT are smarter than she thinks they are.

I'm sorry I didn't save the text of her silly comment, and it disappeared when I blocked her new alias. She tried to have the video taken down where I posted screen images of her various fundraising campaigns and added up the totals, and the one where I simply excerpted a few minutes of Jamie's interview with Sterling where Jamie admits that they have no selfrunner and that the "10kW" claim was from "measurements" done in the usual manner just like those from Morocco. LOL... violations of Community Guidelines! Can you imagine that? The poor woman is delusional, vindictive, and stupid as a frog, in addition to her other fine qualities.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on February 10, 2015, 03:12:10 PM
Are you sure it was really her?

I think 2105 is going to be a very bad year for Fleece the World.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on February 10, 2015, 04:01:21 PM
Are you sure it was really her?

I think 2105 is going to be a very bad year for Fleece the World.

Well, the posts came from someone "HopeGirlXXX" where the x's represent numbers. I can't remember what
they were exactly and of course they are not visible now since I blocked her. But YT lists only one channel with numbers: HopeGirl587, and it's her FTW channel.
Who else would try that kind of silly BS?

ETA: Yep.  She has also been trying the same BS with other critics. Here is the full text of the comment she placed on Doazic's video. The text is the same that she placed on mine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOTh2bKUMgE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOTh2bKUMgE)
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HopeGirl587  1 week ago
 
You are on official notice that your Youtube commenting activity and defamatory videos against our volunteer organization has been reported and flagged as having a primary purpose of inciting hatred and exhibiting predatory behavior in comments.

Your video will most likely be banned by Youtube. Multiple reportings of your activity may cause Youtube to terminate your Youtube account.

-Fix the World Public Relations


From Youtube’s Community Guidelines:

https://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines (https://www.youtube.com/t/community_guidelines)
•    Our products are platforms for free expression. But we don't support content that promotes or condones violence against individuals or groups based on race or ethnic origin, religion, disability, gender, age, nationality, veteran status, or sexual orientation/gender identity, or whose primary purpose is inciting hatred on the basis of these core characteristics. This can be a delicate balancing act, but if the primary purpose is to attack a protected group, the content crosses the line.
•    Things like predatory behavior, stalking, threats, harassment, intimidation, invading privacy, revealing other people’s personal information, and inciting others to commit violent acts or to violate the Terms of Use are taken very seriously. Anyone caught doing these things may be permanently banned from YouTube.
Okay, this one is more about us than you. YouTube staff review flagged videos 24 hours a day, seven days a week to determine whether they violate our Community Guidelines. When they do, we remove them. Sometimes a video doesn’t violate our Community Guidelines, but may not be appropriate for everyone. These videos may be age-restricted. Accounts are penalized for Community Guidelines violations and serious or repeated violations can lead to account termination. If your account is terminated, you won’t be allowed to create any new accounts. For more information about how the Community Guidelines are enforced and the consequences of violating them, please visit the Help Center.

Needless to say, the "FTW" organization is not a "protected group" and none of the Guidelines apply to uncovering scams and exposing lies from people like HopeGirl and her minions.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on February 10, 2015, 04:48:40 PM
I left Naima a reply on that clip.  That's a great clip, I was unaware of it.  I suppose you can say the whole thing has descended to cult status.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on February 10, 2015, 05:23:04 PM
James doesn't look too healthy in that video. He's lost weight and seems very old and tired. I feel sorry for him, enthralled as he is by his "God told him to build this QEG and get it working to Save the World" religious revelatory experience and the influence of people like his wife and stepdaughter.

Funny... or rather not funny... how he announced in April 2014 that it was easy and that he had figured out the whole thing from his attendance at the WITTS seminar on their fraudulent QEG. He is certainly singing a different tune now.

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and my electronics background, I could see that the rest of it was pretty simple...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVmYwee6Y0Y


Heh... it rather looks like HopeGirl has invoked the "Streisand Effect"....
 ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on February 10, 2015, 07:26:18 PM
Did you know that HypeGirl has been actively trying to get my YT videos taken down and my account closed? Yep, that's right, she posted some comments under a few of the QEG-exposing vids claiming that I was violating YT Community Guidelines, promoting hatred and so on and that she had reported me to YT trying to get my videos removed and even my account closed. Blah blah blah. Of course none of my videos do what she accused, the Community Guidelines are very clear about what is not allowed and my videos do not infringe at all.  She's trying anything she can think of to have the Truth about her and her scams suppressed and removed from public view. Of course nothing has come of that, the moderators at YT are smarter than she thinks they are.

I'm sorry I didn't save the text of her silly comment, and it disappeared when I blocked her new alias. She tried to have the video taken down where I posted screen images of her various fundraising campaigns and added up the totals, and the one where I simply excerpted a few minutes of Jamie's interview with Sterling where Jamie admits that they have no selfrunner and that the "10kW" claim was from "measurements" done in the usual manner just like those from Morocco. LOL... violations of Community Guidelines! Can you imagine that? The poor woman is delusional, vindictive, and stupid as a frog, in addition to her other fine qualities.
She is a scam artist.  AFAICT her scam has been waning.  She is fading from the seen as Rosemary Ainslie has.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 11, 2015, 03:10:54 AM
Did you know that HypeGirl has been actively trying to get my YT videos taken down and my account closed? Yep, that's right, she posted some comments under a few of the QEG-exposing vids claiming that I was violating YT Community Guidelines, promoting hatred and so on and that she had reported me to YT trying to get my videos removed and even my account closed. Blah blah blah. Of course none of my videos do what she accused, the Community Guidelines are very clear about what is not allowed and my videos do not infringe at all.  She's trying anything she can think of to have the Truth about her and her scams suppressed and removed from public view. Of course nothing has come of that, the moderators at YT are smarter than she thinks they are.

I'm sorry I didn't save the text of her silly comment, and it disappeared when I blocked her new alias. She tried to have the video taken down where I posted screen images of her various fundraising campaigns and added up the totals, and the one where I simply excerpted a few minutes of Jamie's interview with Sterling where Jamie admits that they have no selfrunner and that the "10kW" claim was from "measurements" done in the usual manner just like those from Morocco. LOL... violations of Community Guidelines! Can you imagine that? The poor woman is delusional, vindictive, and stupid as a frog, in addition to her other fine qualities.

TK:

I would be careful answering your door over the next few weeks.  You might open it to find a plump, really pissed off free energy scam artist.  You might just be the reason they can not raise another $300,000 and, she may want a reckoning.

Be careful.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on February 11, 2015, 04:56:50 AM
Did you know that HypeGirl has been actively trying to get my YT videos taken down and my account closed?...

I am not surprised one bit.  After all you are messing with her money connect.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on February 11, 2015, 06:24:54 AM
This might be an interesting nearly brand spanking new one-hour clip:  (if you are willing to do the work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97lj-uTTwYo

Brand spanking new.  Spanking new.

"QEG Family Speaks on the QEG in 2015. The Peoples Free Energy Show Episode 6."

You can even see the whole thing without having to pay!  Yippee!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on February 12, 2015, 05:10:16 AM
This might be an interesting nearly brand spanking new one-hour clip:  (if you are willing to do the work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97lj-uTTwYo

Brand spanking new.  Spanking new.

"QEG Family Speaks on the QEG in 2015. The Peoples Free Energy Show Episode 6."

You can even see the whole thing without having to pay!  Yippee!

You have not seen the 1/2 of it.

Fresh new release Matrix style: https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/02/12/present-stage-of-qeg-development-latest-findings-and-call-for-experiments/
Its literally painful watching Jamie pile on to the ever growing dung heap of BEE ESS.  Its the next big experiment!!  Like we have not heard that one before.  Or did any of you FTW worshipers somehow forget that Hopegirl uses this same marketing gimmick over and over and over.


Take not of a special related link from above. ITS THE SAME OLD WITTS VIDEO THAT HAS BEEN FLOATING AROUND FOR YEARS!!
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Working QEG video showing additional coil analyzed in the show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 12, 2015, 05:15:20 AM
You have not seen the 1/2 of it.

Fresh new release Matrix style: https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/02/12/present-stage-of-qeg-development-latest-findings-and-call-for-experiments/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/02/12/present-stage-of-qeg-development-latest-findings-and-call-for-experiments/)
Its literally painful watching Jamie pile on to the ever growing dung heap of BEE ESS.  Its the next big experiment!!  Like we have not heard that one before.  Or did any of you FTW worshipers somehow forget that Hopegirl uses this same marketing gimmick over and over and over.


Take not of a special related link from above. ITS THE SAME OLD WITTS VIDEO THAT HAS BEEN FLOATING AROUND FOR YEARS!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU)

They are a persistent bunch.  The only way they will go quietly into that good night is after they are arrested.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 12, 2015, 05:17:06 AM
This might be an interesting nearly brand spanking new one-hour clip:  (if you are willing to do the work)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97lj-uTTwYo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97lj-uTTwYo)

Brand spanking new.  Spanking new.

"QEG Family Speaks on the QEG in 2015. The Peoples Free Energy Show Episode 6."

You can even see the whole thing without having to pay!  Yippee!

Yes, you don't have to pay...but...no comments allowed.  Always a good thing for free, open source energy research.

Bill

PS  Is it me?  Or has she put on even more weight?  I could only last for the first 10 minutes of the video...I could not take any more.
PPS  I see she has even closed comments on her blog.  Nice to see a free exchange of ideas and comments...oh wait....
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 06:08:19 AM
Yes, you don't have to pay...but...no comments allowed.  Always a good thing for free, open source energy research.

Bill

PS  Is it me?  Or has she put on even more weight?  I could only last for the first 10 minutes of the video...I could not take any more.
PPS  I see she has even closed comments on her blog.  Nice to see a free exchange of ideas and comments...oh wait....
I watched the whole thing.  There was a narrative at the end where some nut seemed to be suggesting people should be preparing themselves to engage in an armed insurrection.  About 40 minutes in they made their pitch for donations.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 06:10:10 AM
Yes, you don't have to pay...but...no comments allowed.  Always a good thing for free, open source energy research.

Bill

PS  Is it me?  Or has she put on even more weight?  I could only last for the first 10 minutes of the video...I could not take any more.
PPS  I see she has even closed comments on her blog.  Nice to see a free exchange of ideas and comments...oh wait....
That is called open source:  Suckers open their wallets, and it sources her supper.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 12, 2015, 06:15:41 AM
I watched the whole thing.  There was a narrative at the end where some nut seemed to be suggesting people should be preparing themselves to engage in an armed insurrection.  About 40 minutes in they made their pitch for donations.

You watched the whole thing?  You poor bastard!  Thank you for sacrificing yourself for the good of others.  That was a very self-less act on your part and I, for one, really appreciate that.

Bill

PS  Armed insurrections are always called for when scientific laws and common sense stop your flow of income.  In other words...the last resort.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on February 12, 2015, 06:28:08 AM
Some more links:

Big new tech blurb on Be-Do including new pdf schematics:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/640-present-stage-of-qeg-development-latest-findings-call-for-experiments

Related non-YouTube video clip with tech discussion with Jamie, Tivom Rivers, and Naima:

http://fixtheworld.podbean.com/e/episode-7-qeg-synopsis-latest-findings-call-for-experiments/?token=a7067a7fc890db09fccbded530659e86
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on February 12, 2015, 06:38:38 AM
I don't think I have the energy to discuss their big tech discussion.  In a nutshell they are still talking about the three resonances and adding some more coils on top of the existing coils.  That's all a road to nowhere.

Just one I want to discuss:

In the Be-Do posting they talk about trying to find the mechanical resonance of the core and they state this:

<<<
A 600 Watt automotive audio power amplifier (with 12VDC switching power supply) was employed this time, to drive the low impedance (approx. 1.5Ω) secondaries, wired in series. We used a 20MHz signal/function generator to drive the audio amp with a 50% duty cycle square wave signal, between about 47Hz and 2,000Hz (2kHz). We then connected the scope across the primary windings (also wired in series) and observed the core’s response to the input signals.  The output level from the signal generator was set to about 18V, just below clipping of the signal, and the rotor was held stationary, in alignment with 2 of the pole pieces (for maximum inductance) – See schematic here:
>>>

That's just a 'smoking gun' moment or call it another brick in the wall.

I am not even going to discuss if their approach to the test itself makes sense but I am not feeling it.  You don't scan for resonance with a square wave.  It's a major faux pas.  It's like really _really_ bad to state that.  That shows that Jamie and Tivon don't know what they are doing.  So it's still just as depressing as usual.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 12, 2015, 07:29:59 AM
Wood all this closed loop arse kissing be considered overunity or just under the belt friction sparks ?

Guess this is they only venue they have left now that Chris put them on ignore and Ken keeps giving them a good arse kicking every time they take a run at him in his thread.

Might be advisable for them to wear safety goggles in case of projectile laden farts.

Great comedy tho.

Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 10:01:00 AM
You watched the whole thing?  You poor bastard!  Thank you for sacrificing yourself for the good of others.  That was a very self-less act on your part and I, for one, really appreciate that.

Bill

PS  Armed insurrections are always called for when scientific laws and common sense stop your flow of income.  In other words...the last resort.
The narrative at the end was very disjoint.  The speaker kept talking about some "freedom movement" and that its members needed to "prepare for the worst", and how nonviolece would not work.  Maybe the plan is to beat the QEG into submission.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 10:25:09 AM
Some more links:

Big new tech blurb on Be-Do including new pdf schematics:

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/640-present-stage-of-qeg-development-latest-findings-call-for-experiments
They claim that they are 80% efficient now.  If they got that far then they've gone from having a deplorable transformer to a mediocre one.  In the meantime there are two new levels of resonance they say they need to achieve:  a piezoelectric one, and then the magic one that is supposed to actually pull energy out of the environment.  They want others to chase those rainbows.
Quote

Related non-YouTube video clip with tech discussion with Jamie, Tivom Rivers, and Naima:

http://fixtheworld.podbean.com/e/episode-7-qeg-synopsis-latest-findings-call-for-experiments/?token=a7067a7fc890db09fccbded530659e86
The video talks about the new goal post position and their random ideas on how they will supposedly eventually do what they claimed they had done a year and a half ago.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: padova on February 12, 2015, 10:36:56 AM
We used a 20MHz signal/function generator to drive the audio amp with a 50% duty cycle square wave signal, between about 47Hz and 2,000Hz (2kHz). We then connected the scope across the primary windings (also wired in series) and observed the core’s response to the input signals. 

That's just a 'smoking gun' moment or call it another brick in the wall.

  You don't scan for resonance with a square wave.  It's a major faux pas.

Hi,

Are you really sure about that .  ???
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 11:20:02 AM
I don't think I have the energy to discuss their big tech discussion.  In a nutshell they are still talking about the three resonances and adding some more coils on top of the existing coils.  That's all a road to nowhere.

Just one I want to discuss:

In the Be-Do posting they talk about trying to find the mechanical resonance of the core and they state this:

<<<
A 600 Watt automotive audio power amplifier (with 12VDC switching power supply) was employed this time, to drive the low impedance (approx. 1.5Ω) secondaries, wired in series. We used a 20MHz signal/function generator to drive the audio amp with a 50% duty cycle square wave signal, between about 47Hz and 2,000Hz (2kHz). We then connected the scope across the primary windings (also wired in series) and observed the core’s response to the input signals.  The output level from the signal generator was set to about 18V, just below clipping of the signal, and the rotor was held stationary, in alignment with 2 of the pole pieces (for maximum inductance) – See schematic here:
>>>

That's just a 'smoking gun' moment or call it another brick in the wall.

I am not even going to discuss if their approach to the test itself makes sense but I am not feeling it.  You don't scan for resonance with a square wave.  It's a major faux pas.  It's like really _really_ bad to state that.  That shows that Jamie and Tivon don't know what they are doing.  So it's still just as depressing as usual.
The high harmonic content of a square wave is a disadvantage, but it is not a show stopper.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 12, 2015, 03:45:08 PM
The high harmonic content of a square wave is a disadvantage, but it is not a show stopper.

Hope he's got his safety goggles on...else he's gonna get MH's jizz in his eye...he's dangerously close and pumping vigorously.

He might even end up spraying the butt plug pirate if he's not careful.

Sorry about the imagery folks, but safety protocol is very important.

Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on February 12, 2015, 04:30:42 PM
Hope he's got his safety goggles on...else he's gonna get MH's jizz in his eye...he's dangerously close and pumping vigorously.

He might even end up spraying the butt plug pirate if he's not careful.

Sorry about the imagery folks, but safety protocol is very important.

Regards...

This is clearly a posting that crosses the line.  If you agree and find it very offensive then please report it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 12, 2015, 04:42:45 PM
This is clearly a posting that crosses the line.  If you agree and find it very offensive then please report it.

Yeah...you may have better luck that he did...he is well known for being the forum's resident drama queen.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on February 12, 2015, 05:07:47 PM
Cap-Z-ro.
I am a moderator on Revolution-Green. Your postings would not be allowed there, in spite of a very liberal attitude.
Maybe the most unfortunate part of these posts is that the valuable part of your posts gets lost in the garbage.
I will not bother reporting you; any forum that allows advertising by a certain 'expert' on OU devices that he cannot  build himself, is clearly not after truth.
I noticed that MH was banned from a thread for asking pointed questions; that too indicates a bias.
In short, IF you want to contribute, stop the personal stuff and stick  to facts.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on February 12, 2015, 05:20:04 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVFvFEUgMsw

Repartir à Zéro

Imaginer la terre comme un jardin d'eden
Horizon sans frontières Russes, ou Américaines
Ou personne ne s'amuse a jouer a la roulette
A qui sera le premier, a faire sauter la planète.

Revenir en arrière a des temps primitifs
Retrouver l'eau et l'air est-ce un rêve naïf?
Avant Adam et Eve, le serpent et la pomme
S'inventer un pays qui n'appartient a personne.

Repartir a zéro

Repartir a zéro oh, oh.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 05:23:33 PM
This is clearly a posting that crosses the line.  If you agree and find it very offensive then please report it.
Outrageous behavior is a way of acting out.  Reacting to bad behavior rewards it.  I recommend against that.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on February 12, 2015, 05:34:35 PM
When will they ever learn?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 12, 2015, 05:56:29 PM
Outrageous behavior is a way of acting out.  Reacting to bad behavior rewards it.  I recommend against that.

I never called him a stupid shill...he wooden be able to hold his job if he was.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 12, 2015, 06:13:22 PM
Cap-Z-ro.
I am a moderator on Revolution-Green. Your postings would not be allowed there,...

Nor should his past conduct toward me on here...dirty hands.


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Maybe the most unfortunate part of these posts is that the valuable part of your posts gets lost in the garbage.

Nor should his past conduct toward me on here...dirty hands.


Quote
I will not bother reporting you; any forum that allows advertising by a certain 'expert' on OU devices that he cannot  build himself, is clearly not after truth.

Sometimes I wonder myself, i must admit.


Quote
I noticed that MH was banned from a thread for asking pointed questions;...

More like incessant interrupting.


Quote
In short, IF you want to contribute, stop the personal stuff and stick  to facts.

I'm all about leaving people alone if they don't want to be disturbed...others, not so much it seems.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on February 12, 2015, 07:41:15 PM
It's about the method, which can hide the message; unless the message is to get a rise out of people...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 12, 2015, 07:57:41 PM
It's about the method, which can hide the message; unless the message is to get a rise out of people...

Projecting their method of operation on to their harassment victims or me is readily apparent to all because it is so repetitive.

Regards...

 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on February 12, 2015, 08:33:56 PM
And what are you really accomplishing by your method?
What do you WANT to accomplish? n other words, what are you up to in life?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on February 12, 2015, 11:02:52 PM
It's about the method, which can hide the message; unless the message is to get a rise out of people...
I think that the demonstrated behavior pattern unambiguously establishes that the intent is the latter.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 12, 2015, 11:16:29 PM
And what are you really accomplishing by your method?
What do you WANT to accomplish? n other words, what are you up to in life?

It takes only one water buffalo to stand up against the pack of advancing hyena's to embolden the herd.

I believe this has been evidenced by the increasing numbers of members here who have called out the habitual harassers on this forum.

Nuff said ?

Regards...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on February 12, 2015, 11:52:36 PM
I will not bother reporting you; any forum that allows advertising by a certain 'expert' on OU devices that he cannot  build himself, is clearly not after truth.
I tend to think of this as a "Care and Feeding of Unicorns" forum.  People come and talk about how great unicorns would be how they would feed them, what they would do with them and how one might possibly procure one.

The problem is, simply that unicorns either don't exist or are so difficult to procure they are beyond the reach of the extreme vast majority of people - which often goes double for those who talk about the care and feeding of them.

The only way someone can *cough* profitably run such a forum is by indulging every hairbrain who would advertise on it and those advertisements are only useful to people who BELIEVE IN UNICORNS.  So there's absolutely no way to have fair moderation.

Hartberlin allows just about anyone, no matter how little they add, how abusive they are do their thing.  People like me get put on moderation for "negativity".  Seriously.  Direct. Quote. :)

You might as well put Cap-Mo-Ron on ignore.  A fair number of people have.  He's on ignore with me until he can define a reasonable standard of evidence so I can meet his burden of proof. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 13, 2015, 12:16:25 AM
I tend to think of this as a "Care and Feeding of Unicorns" forum.  People come and talk about how great unicorns would be how they would feed them, what they would do with them and how one might possibly procure one.

The problem is, simply that unicorns either don't exist or are so difficult to procure they are beyond the reach of the extreme vast majority of people - which often goes double for those who talk about the care and feeding of them.

The only way someone can *cough* profitably run such a forum is by indulging every hairbrain who would advertise on it and those advertisements are only useful to people who BELIEVE IN UNICORNS.  So there's absolutely no way to have fair moderation.

Hartberlin allows just about anyone, no matter how little they add, how abusive they are do their thing.  People like me get put on moderation for "negativity".  Seriously.  Direct. Quote. :)

You might as well put Cap-Mo-Ron on ignore.  A fair number of people have.  He's on ignore with me until he can define a reasonable standard of evidence so I can meet his burden of proof. :)

What this paid Big Pharma shill hasn't mentioned is that I am on ignore because he can't provide the evidence supporting his claim that injecting neuro toxins into the body is beneficial...among other things like altering data and altering my post to buttrice his insane ramblings.

I noticed he has chosen to avoid Ken Wheeler...which only proves he's a little smarter that the forums other paid shill Mark - unless of course they are one and the same.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: orbut 3000 on February 13, 2015, 01:28:59 AM
I'm paid by the NWO and JDIF to find capnzro's posts entertaining. My masters don't allow me to understand why people feel insulted by his silly posts. My handlers think he's one of the most misinformed people on the internet.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 13, 2015, 01:40:13 AM
I'm paid by the NWO and JDIF to find capnzro's posts entertaining. My masters don't allow me to understand why people feel insulted by his silly posts. My handlers think he's one of the most misinformed people on the internet.

Drunk texting ?

Best possible scenario, in my humble opinion.

At least there wood be hope for him.

The alternatives are not promising.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on February 13, 2015, 02:05:56 AM
I'm paid by the NWO and JDIF to find capnzro's posts entertaining. My masters don't allow me to understand why people feel insulted by his silly posts. My handlers think he's one of the most misinformed people on the internet.
You sir, are a fraud.  I'm the real paid shill on this forum and everyone knows I'm paid to make SeaMonkey look stupid.  Easiest. 50 Grand. Ever.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 13, 2015, 02:19:50 AM
You sir, are a fraud.  I'm the real paid shill on this forum and everyone knows I'm paid to make SeaMonkey look stupid.  Easiest. 50 Grand. Ever.

This strategy is called 'hidden in plain sight'.

And that POS is a traitor to the human race...if he can even be called human to begin with.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on February 13, 2015, 02:33:52 AM

And that POS is a traitor to the human race...if he can even be called human to begin with.


Je suis Charlie.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 13, 2015, 03:28:53 AM
You sir, are a fraud.  I'm the real paid shill on this forum and everyone knows I'm paid to make SeaMonkey look stupid.  Easiest. 50 Grand. Ever.

50 grand?  Man, I have to get a new agent.  I don't even get mileage any more.

Bill

PS  I forgot you are working for Big Pharma.  I have heard that they pay better.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkiezen on February 13, 2015, 03:44:45 AM
You sir, are a fraud.  I'm the real paid shill on this forum and everyone knows I'm paid to make SeaMonkey look stupid.  Easiest. 50 Grand. Ever.
I'm afraid that this man has you all duped.  I'm the real shill.  Everyone in the biz knows it's all piecework these days.  Nobody is on salary.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on February 13, 2015, 03:55:36 AM
Je suis Charlie.
Vous etes trompez. Je suis avoir une face a claque!

(if anyone really says "face a claque" anymore)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Cap-Z-ro on February 13, 2015, 04:29:46 AM
50 grand?  Man, I have to get a new agent.  I don't even get mileage any more.

Bill

PS  I forgot you are working for Big Pharma.  I have heard that they pay better.

I'm afraid the best he can hope for is a stool by mens room in the shill commissary and access to the all you can eat arse kisser buffet.

Regards...

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ltseung888 on February 14, 2015, 02:13:43 AM
I believe that we can improve the QEG so that it becomes OU and self-loop.
 
Just add an unbalanced cylinder. See the Milkovic 2SO thread for details.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on February 14, 2015, 02:52:27 AM
I believe that we can improve the QEG so that it becomes OU and self-loop.
 
Just add an unbalanced cylinder. See the Milkovic 2SO thread for details.
Your belief has no foundation in physics.  The QEG is demonstrated to be a very low efficiency generator.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 14, 2015, 05:28:54 AM
Your belief has no foundation in physics.  The QEG is demonstrated to be a very low efficiency generator.

It has, however, generated a lot of cash.  Of course, those days might well be over.

Bill

PS  Should we now consider devices this way?  I mean....$300.00 in and $300,000 out?  That may well be the "NEW" O.U.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on February 14, 2015, 10:30:51 AM
It has, however, generated a lot of cash.  Of course, those days might well be over.

Bill

Unlikely, given there are still two more resonances to achieve to drum-up excitement. That leaves plenty of time for more donations.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on February 14, 2015, 03:01:40 PM
Remember Jamie's 1.3 MHz  "exciter coil resonance" back in Pennsylvania? Right smack in the middle of the Standard Broadcast AM band, with 11 commercial radio stations in Penn. alone broadcasting at frequencies within 20 kHz of 1.3 MHz (1280 to 1320 kHz) , with a total combined power of around 50 kW?

I wonder if there is anything equivalent happening in Morocco. Are there powerful AM radio transmitters nearby that he can use to provide nice peaks on his Spectrum Analyzer display?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on February 14, 2015, 03:03:47 PM
I believe that we can improve the QEG so that it becomes OU and self-loop.
 
Just add an unbalanced cylinder. See the Milkovic 2SO thread for details.

You have stated that "money is no object" and that you or your contacts could "easily donate 100,000 dollars to WITTS to purchase a self-running QEG".

Why have you not done so?

I know why, and so do you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on February 14, 2015, 07:36:40 PM
I believe that we can improve the QEG so that it becomes a unicorn.
 
Just add unicorn bait. See the Milkovic 2SO thread for details.
See...no difference.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on February 15, 2015, 08:58:16 PM
I wonder if Lawrence has donated any money to the QEG folks?

If so, I feel bad for him.  He is a decent fellow.  What amazes me is that there are still people out there that believe this is not a scam.

That is scary to me.

Bill

PS  We have not heard from Sterling in a while....has he been arrested?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on February 16, 2015, 12:32:33 AM
I wonder if Lawrence has donated any money to the QEG folks?

If so, I feel bad for him.  He is a decent fellow.  What amazes me is that there are still people out there that believe this is not a scam.

That is scary to me.

Bill

PS  We have not heard from Sterling in a while....has he been arrested?
I kid you not: He is waiting to have supper with Jesus.  http://www.greaterthings.com/Alphabetics/ASCII/MISCELLANEOUS/2015/02/150213_Valentines-Day.htm
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on February 16, 2015, 12:56:55 AM
I'll have a glass of water please.  Oops, could you make that wine instead?   *......Ding.......*
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on February 19, 2015, 12:22:25 PM
Aaaaand.... another one bites the dust.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-construction/642-qeg-new-core-and-parts-for-sale-15-discount#2981

Here you go, Lawrence, Joel, etc. A chance to get in the game at a considerable discount. A signed core, too! How could you possibly go wrong?




Reality bites hard, doesn't it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on March 05, 2015, 04:06:22 AM
The new effort to pacify those on the fence and fuel to keep the believers believing is out.
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/03/04/ftw-answers-all-your-questions-about-the-qeg/

Question #4 
Quote
Is the QEG a scam (hoax)?

Answered: No the QEG is not a scam.

Answer should be: Yes the QEG is a scam.  Best to use lower case qeg also.

I particularly like this one:
Quote
Why is FTW in Morocco?
Many businesses are leaving the US because of increasing regulations and expenses that make it nearly impossible to thrive.
Leaving no, selling out by sending local jobs overseas, Yes.  Oh, since she volunteered to say cost of living in Morocco is 1/5 of living in U.S. shows she pocketed all that exaggerated budget she claimed dully needed during her "Tour" months in 2014.  Tax free mind you.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: CANGAS on March 05, 2015, 05:12:29 AM
I wonder if Lawrence has donated any money to the QEG folks?

If so, I feel bad for him.  He is a decent fellow.  What amazes me is that there are still people out there that believe this is not a scam.

That is scary to me.

Bill

PS  We have not heard from Sterling in a while....has he been arrested?


That can also be seen as encouraging. Suppose you have tripped and fallen down, and hit your head on the toilet, and in your delirium had a vision of a real genuine workable FLUX CAPACITOR?!! Huh?!! Aren't you glad that it could be EASY to scam needed investors into a REAL legitimate deal? One that really will make the world a better place and help a lot of people.

Know whut I mean, Vern?


cheers
CANGAS 142
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 05, 2015, 05:31:20 AM

That can also be seen as encouraging. Suppose you have tripped and fallen down, and hit your head on the toilet, and in your delirium had a vision of a real genuine workable FLUX CAPACITOR?!! Huh?!! Aren't you glad that it could be EASY to scam needed investors into a REAL legitimate deal? One that really will make the world a better place and help a lot of people.

Know whut I mean, Vern?


cheers
CANGAS 142

I am not sure that I understand what you mean here.  Are you saying it is a good thing that there are a lot of gullible investors out there?  Some of whom may accidentally invest in a device that turns out to be real?

If this is indeed what you mean, I would love to see the odds against/for this.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: CANGAS on March 05, 2015, 06:16:05 AM
I am not sure that I understand what you mean here.


That is not a surprise.  I have been reading your posts.


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Are you saying it is a good thing that there are a lot of gullible investors out there?


Of course! If every investor was uber skeptical, there would never be any investing get done. Duuuh.


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Some of whom may accidentally invest in a device that turns out to be real?

From their point of view, it would be lucky, and, it be an accident. If the investor were smart enough, and, creative enough, to be CERTAIN that the investment concept would work, he would have already invented it himself.   


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If this is indeed what you mean, I would love to see the odds against/for this.

If your question was important to you, you should have already been able, and, have done so, to satisfy your own curiosity by calculating the odds yourself. Your question is virtually completely UN-important to me.


CANGAS 143




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 05, 2015, 06:21:40 AM


Your question is virtually completely UN-important to me.


CANGAS 143

As was your reply to me.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: CANGAS on March 05, 2015, 06:31:06 AM
As was your reply to me.

Bill



LOL!  ;D

I know. That's why you replied , to tell me that my reply was beneath your concern.

LOL.


CANGAS 144
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on March 05, 2015, 02:57:45 PM
Of course!
This is CANGAS's answer to "is it good that there are gullible investors".  It's certainly not good for them and there's little long term economic benefit getting people to invest in something fake.
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From their point of view, it would be lucky, and, it be an accident.
Which seems to be an irrelevant point of view to consider.  Unless you generally think it's good for people to leave their car doors unlocked because that benefits the population of car thieves.
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Your question is virtually completely UN-important to me.
Well as long as it's "virtually complete" LOL.  So it's unimportant to you if your opinions are correct?  That would explain some of your posts. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 05, 2015, 07:08:05 PM


LOL!  ;D

I know. That's why you replied , to tell me that my reply was beneath your concern.

LOL.


CANGAS 144

Again, you have a weird sense of logic over there.  You posted that my question was beneath your concern and that made sense to you.  I turned it around saying the same about your answer and now you say my post makes no sense?  Duh?

Do you even read what you post?  Are you posting from Morocco?  Are you invested with these scammers or something?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: CANGAS on March 06, 2015, 06:58:37 AM
Again, you have a weird sense of logic over there.
 

Anybody having a low IQ is probably not bright enough to understand that somebody who has a much higher IQ is also possessing a much more accurate sense of logic. The low IQ guy almost always reacts by ego and not by logic, and says "That jerk really has weird logic."  Scuuuze me; "Over there."



You posted that my question was beneath your concern

That sounds about right.



 
and that made sense to you.

I think you have misquoted me. I'm beginning to get used to that, coming from you.


  I turned it around saying the same about your answer Duh?


What a clever response!! Do they call that "being a master of reverse psychology" where you come from? Appalachia?



and now you say my post makes no sense?
 

Now you have done a perfect non-sequitur. I don't get it at all. WTF are you talking about?



Do you even read what you post?

Every time. I'm a perfectionist and often modify my post maybe a dozen times before quitting.



 
Are you posting from Morocco?

No. Not even close. You are sounding paranoid and delusional. Typical of someone from your ex-profession.



 
Are you invested with these scammers or something?

I am one of the most honest men on the face of the planet. It is no mystery why you do not recognize that. They say, "It takes one to know one."




Cheers
CANGAS 147

PS Do you know what the number means? it is not my IQ.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on March 06, 2015, 07:35:27 AM
The 'evolution' of electronics will soon come to light. How long ago was it that people where using windows 98 on a 200 megahertz CPU? And even bill gates stating something about you wont need more than 650K of memory. "640K ought to be enough for anybody."

Things changed yesterday, today is a different day. People that get stuck in the present are those that are just living in their comfort zone. They just want to attack the truth when their truth is old news...lol.

You get so many opinions from people but the truth will always shut them up. I'm pretty sure none of these people can make a CPU chip! The PS4 and XBOX ONE have combined the GPU and CPU into one chip. Lets hear these “smart” people say how that was done. When it is 100% facts.

It is inevitable that the truth about self runners will come out eventually. While these guys are nay sayers, many advance things are going on in the military that these nay sayers cannot even comprehend. I wished I worked for the military and not have to deal with these dumbos...lol....my personal opinion.  8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: CANGAS on March 06, 2015, 08:23:56 AM
LOL!

Many years ago today, long ago and far away, my pride and joy computer was a W98 running on a 200!

Thanks for the memories!


CANGAS 150
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 07, 2015, 02:51:17 AM
 

Anybody having a low IQ is probably not bright enough to understand that somebody who has a much higher IQ is also possessing a much more accurate sense of logic. The low IQ guy almost always reacts by ego and not by logic, and says "That jerk really has weird logic."  Scuuuze me; "Over there."

CANGAS 147


Well, you really don't want to get into a pissing contest over I.Q. scores with me...you will only embarrass yourself even more than you already have.  Of course, this has never stopped you in the past, so, carry on.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on March 07, 2015, 03:31:41 AM
The low IQ guy almost always reacts by ego and not by logic, and says "That jerk really has weird logic."  Scuuuze me; "Over there."
I always love looking at strawmen like this. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on March 07, 2015, 03:40:03 AM
Bill Gates did say the phrase about memory, but it was 64K, not 640K.
This is debatable.  http://www.computerworld.com/article/2534312/operating-systems/the--640k--quote-won-t-go-away----but-did-gates-really-say-it-.html

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THAT idea died quick, but the PCI bus can still be found, if you look hard enough.
an awful lot of motherboards still carry one PCI card.  Either for telco or POST codes.

Quote
To Think, When I left IBM, the idea of a cpu breaking the 30 MHZ mark was "WOW".  (Who remembers the "Clipper" board?  It was the first!)
Was that a Mod 80 with the last gen 386DX?  IIRC it topped out at 40Mhz in regular PGA runs.

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If I were to apply all that old stuff, with all this new stuff.......
I've done some work on the ARM architecture as I had one of the first Raspberry Pi's in the area.  I find it's instruction set reminiscent of earlier days. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on March 07, 2015, 03:54:13 AM
I always love looking at strawmen like this.

Kind of like the Wizard Of OZ isn't it?  If only he had a brain.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: sarkeizen on March 07, 2015, 04:52:21 AM
Kind of like the Wizard Of OZ isn't it?  If only he had a brain.
More entertaining.  Cangas when he was pretending that he wasn't pretending to seriously consider my posts to be the work of an AI program.  Was one of my fave moments on OU this year. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on March 07, 2015, 06:33:55 AM
I forgot that i have a 133MHZ intel CPU that was probably running windows 95.

http://www.cpu-world.com/CPUs/Pentium/Intel-Pentium%20133%20-%20A80502133%20%28A80502-133%29.html

I also have an intell CPU that was 700MHZ that was probably running windows ME but could also run windows xp. I remember that a movie could run on a 250MHz CPU. Lower than that, it would stutter.

but the point is how much the technology has evolved and will continue to evolve. NO stopping it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on March 07, 2015, 06:49:22 AM
Quote
I still have a few 12" floppies.  Anyone remember Pertec?

Dude, I feel old still having this.

But the point to gather is that things are changing dramatically to feel that over-unity will never be possible.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on March 10, 2015, 12:13:07 PM
I know that this has already been stated about QEG Canada, but I don't think there was a link and a quote:

https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC (https://www.facebook.com/QEGAC)

Quote
Hi everyone.  I have been so busy with MAGGRAV.COM (http://MAGGRAV.COM/) that I have not been here for a while.  we are bringing forward technologies that we feel are more promising than the QEG.  We have put the QEG aside for now.  Plasma technology, magnetic gravitation interaction is where we are focused.

So Kevin who was so sure it was going to work has dropped the whole thing and has essentially admitted defeat.  We told you so.  Now he is trying to sell some kind of Keshe "CO2 Extractor" whatever that is.  There are no datasheets, just a rendered image???

I wonder what the status of Evens Abellard is.   A couple of months ago he was in China supposedly "consulting" with some group over there on the QEG.   He was supposedly experimenting at the same time Jamie was experimenting, both in search of the "secret."

Oh, look at the results of searching on "Evens Abellard 2015."

http://www.consciousconsumernetwork.tv/mission-impossible-global-2/ (http://www.consciousconsumernetwork.tv/mission-impossible-global-2/)

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Kevin Blundell & Evens Abellard share Keshe Technology with us!
.
.
.
1. CO2 gas can be used as a power source – work is underway to harness it’s power right now and we will see energy items, small at first, like batteries, and then larger items in time. (just a note that the engineers exploring this application have shown me a light that is hooked up to gas (two very small cells about the size of two eye lens containers is all that is being used to power the light) and has been lit now 24/7 for 3 and 1/2 weeks! It has never dimmed and is showing no signs of dimming yet, which is pretty amazing!)

WTF???  I have never heard of CO2 being used as a power source!  I could be wrong but it sounds very fishy.

I am just queasy.

I have a great solution for attacking the problem of reducing C02 that comes from the modern marvels of applied genetics and biotechnology.

A PLANT.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rigel4 on March 11, 2015, 06:09:29 PM
I could not find the maggrav unit. But one thing for sure now that they have hooked up with Keshe the sky is NOT the limit.
/ I also note that they do not have a distributorship in Morocco, but 2 in Spain. There could be a
disturbance in the force.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on March 27, 2015, 04:40:21 AM
It does not get more comical than this:

http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/qeg-open-source-documents.html

Enter you email to download the !!!ANNIVERSARY!!! edition
Quote
Us having your email address is your assurance against any disinformation you may see on the Internet from those who do not want this technology to be known or successful.

A.K.A she is now into selling email addresses.

Someone explain to me how dolla dolla bill girl having my email assures me against disinformation I "may" see.
I thought it could not get more pathetic than the mad rush to 1/2 off black Friday qeg course prices.  This new schtick takes the cake.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on March 29, 2015, 12:54:24 AM
Money girl has a new schtick this time.  She is firing on all cylinders.
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/03/28/how-we-can-do-business-a-better-way-for-a-new-world-ftw-new-paradigm-core-values/

Only problem, she embodies every one of the "WRONG" sides as she herself listed.

Incorrect:  Not based in truth.  Believe that has fully been proven here on this forum alone against the qeg.

Immoral: Not based in natural law.  Not a good definition of immoral at all.  I would say more along the lines of collecting copious amounts of money under the guise of helping others.  Making claims of something that IS then later saying IT MAY BE in the future.  Or how about charging for courses that the teacher has yet to do for themselves.

And so on and so forth 18 other bee ess lies she put on the blog.  What is funny is that every single one of her 20 bulletin points can be shown their involvement of the opposite. 

Are we at 1 blog entry a day now?  Wasn't qeg all about energy production, renewable energy, cheap energy, freeing up peoples pockets from the energy giant?  Why is it now all about BLOG posting.  Pitching to a non existing crowd.  Are the people needing water pumps using ASCII characters to lift buckets up from the water well?  Where the hell is James Robitaille?  Power up a damn house, power up a water well, and put the modern day type writer down.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on March 31, 2015, 04:10:13 AM
Welcome to payloadz!!!
http://store.payloadz.com/details/2252935-movies-and-videos-educational-qeg-beginners-build-at-home-study-course.html

Pay and instantly download your very own copy of the infamous qeg course.

Get your full list of selection while supplies last!!
http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/qeg-affiliate.html

Why the sudden stop of stark believers popping up out of the wood works here?
Could it be even YOU finally woke up?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on March 31, 2015, 04:34:55 AM
I got my vote in.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on April 15, 2015, 06:04:44 AM
I do not even know where to begin. I am just shocked. Seriously at a complete lost for words.
Gotten above and beyond out of hand.

@TK, I advise you have an ambulance standing near by to revive you after this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvf7Gs6_MJ8
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 15, 2015, 06:11:17 AM
I do not even know where to begin. I am just shocked. Seriously at a complete lost for words.
Gotten above and beyond out of hand.

@TK, I advise you have an ambulance standing near by to revive you after this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvf7Gs6_MJ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvf7Gs6_MJ8)

WTF was that? ??? ??? ??

So now, after winding your coil you need to do all of this Grasshopper Kungfoo crap in order to get it to work correctly?  If it does not work (which it won't) that only means you did not "FOCUS" correctly and need to concentrate more deeply?

Who the heck is this woman?  Is she associated with HopelessGirl?  Was this filmed in Morocco?

She was not even attempting to be serious while doing this video.  It was if she were mocking the true believers....incredible.

Bill

PS  Her Tube profile says she is available for Private Sessions.  What the heck does that mean?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 15, 2015, 06:18:38 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Tpyb_u9fI
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on April 15, 2015, 06:30:01 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Tpyb_u9fI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_Tpyb_u9fI)

"Game Over".

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 15, 2015, 06:33:16 AM
I do not even know where to begin. I am just shocked. Seriously at a complete lost for words.
Gotten above and beyond out of hand.

@TK, I advise you have an ambulance standing near by to revive you after this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvf7Gs6_MJ8
Who says that you can't re-live the 60's?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 15, 2015, 03:02:06 PM
It's not polite to mock the mentally ill.


Besides, anyone can see she's got her "dots" mixed up. Needs to be looking thru the other end.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Acca on April 15, 2015, 03:26:12 PM
  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Russian quantum-energy-generator-QEG-open-sourced by De-Russians !!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11UKJ0z8lqg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11UKJ0z8lqg)
 
http://vk.com/globalwave2012 (http://vk.com/globalwave2012)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYYynctrQog (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYYynctrQog)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k53zY3z1yI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7k53zY3z1yI)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0rWCNDWBjA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0rWCNDWBjA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QveoN9Jjb6A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QveoN9Jjb6A)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5Nk1zrEyLE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5Nk1zrEyLE)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gJmHxVcyCQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gJmHxVcyCQ)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2EQg3G36MA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2EQg3G36MA)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=578G5CtLsVk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=578G5CtLsVk)
 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaMIaBEix1Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaMIaBEix1Y)
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUE4kX-drs8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUE4kX-drs8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Acca on April 15, 2015, 03:29:02 PM
Russian quantum-energy-generator-QEG-open-sourced by De-Russians !!![/font]
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 15, 2015, 06:21:11 PM
Al:

What would be really cool, is if you could actually figure out why the bubbles swirl around when you do your aquarium tests.

An astute high school kid taking a grade eight general science course that applied himself or herself could answer that question.  Your aquarium demo would be right at home at the grade eight science fair on parent night, with the student giving the full and complete explanation to the visiting parents.

So if a kid in grade eight can figure it out, why can't you?

MileHgh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on April 15, 2015, 06:59:23 PM
I do not even know where to begin. I am just shocked. Seriously at a complete lost for words.
Gotten above and beyond out of hand.

@TK, I advise you have an ambulance standing near by to revive you after this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvf7Gs6_MJ8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gvf7Gs6_MJ8)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td1KAgrYUGA
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on April 15, 2015, 10:05:14 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td1KAgrYUGA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td1KAgrYUGA)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfR3aiUxSKc
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on April 15, 2015, 10:38:04 PM
"I Love Lucy" episode with Harpo Marx.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on May 07, 2015, 08:43:29 AM
Last news from skype QEGNetwork chat room for "Information":


[06/05/2015 09:40:16 | Modifié (09:44:08)] MMeta200: A New HopeGirl Blog post...remember 1=2, 2=4? Now we have the square of the forces...3 x 3 = 9 next, the cube of the forces.....Read on.........
[06/05/2015 09:41:08] MMeta200:  New post on HOPEGIRL BLOG
 
 
QEG GREECE! Introducing Odyssevs Ellas
by hopegirl2012
QEG GreeceWith amazing resourcefulness, and a passion like we've never seen, The Odyssevs project in Ellas Greece is building their QEG from the ground up with an impeccable level of care and higher consciousness.
Odyssevs is a group of currently sixteen simple residents of Chania Crete and two from Athens plus a humanitarian group called Peace Farm, for a total of nineteen members. Their goal is to "return home".
In this amazing video, you see pictures of family members with QEG parts on the beach, blessing the stators with sand and sea. They machined just about everything on their own, including an incredible toroidal winder made out of spare machine parts and a bicycle wheel!

 
Video of the Odyssevs handmade toroidal winder made from spare mechanical parts and a bicycle wheel!

The Ellenic Theory

An excerpt from QEG Greece Odyssevs from their be-do.com profile found here: http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/ellas/566-qeg-our-ellenik-theory
QEG does not break the laws of nature by achieving over-unity on the contrary
exploits the rules of nature during the phenomenon of resonance on earthquake.
All the words, letters and punctuation marks maybe mine but the theory may
not belong to me but nature.

Our goal is to make something very simple and important with consciousness.
Is touching to be asked by children how QEG works?

Do you know why the buildings collapse on earthquake? Yes, because they are
not strong enough! Yes they collapse because they can only withstand 1000 kg
i.e. the weight of a car. Now when the earth is shaking right and left for
about 10 times per second also the building is shaking. Well then we will use
all the sciences of the Elleniks (E=λ*λ*A*Ω) or E=C2m in order to understand
what happens. Do you know how many are the Sciences of the Elleniks? Yes,
they are Four! Arithmetic, Geography, Astronomy and Music!

We know in music when two instruments or violins are playing that we are not
using Arithmetic because one plus one is not two in Music while in harmony.
Instead we are using the number of instruments by itself or in the square.

For example when two violins are playing in harmony it is like four violins playing.
When two children are screaming in unison is like you have four screaming children.
When they are three screaming children sound like nine. So then when the earth
shakes by a force of 1000 Kg reaches resonance with the building which is also
shaking with the same frequency vibration.

Then we have two resultant forces of similar magnitude which means arithmetically
we have not 2000 kg of force but Musically we have four 4000 Kg. In other words
during the resonance of earthquake the building is subjected to the force of the
weight of four cars on top of it. This is the reason why the building collapses.
Now back to the QEG the role of the earth is performed by the rotor which is
transferring the vibration to the building which is the core made out of steel to be
strong and enduring to vibration. When the rotor and the stator reach resonance
we have the phenomenon of earthquake and strong forces flow through the core.
Now you can understand why the core is not square like a building. Because we
want these huge forces to close circuit so that we can collect them. Otherwise the
core would be destroyed just as on the earthquake.

Now you understand how the QEG core was designed by using Geometry. Now you
know in order to collect the flow of the electric current we use the isolated enameled
copper wire. Not only we collect the current but we create a third construction like
a third building. This time electric not just physical, by using the coil and a capacitor.
The rotor is used as a switch producing the electrical vibration to the coil and the
capacitor. Opening and closing likewise as the rotor transfers the physical vibration
to the core. So with simple Arithmetic we have three buildings all in resonance so
Musically 3x3=9. In other words if we use 1KW of power in the input we can have
9 KW of power in the output.

Now ask where is the fourth science of the Elleniks, Astronomy used? Well astronomy
does not mean Astrografy i.e. to know where the stars are. But its important to know
what the word Astronomy means. It stems from the word Sterile with a prefix A or Non
in Ellenik and since Nomos means rule Astronomy becomes the Rule of Non-Sterile source.

The theory I wrote in August about the QEG can be verified in this document,
Trans-Verter research and development.

"Overview of Operation
Standard AC transformers can be pulsed to a measurable Over Unity transformation condition
where conventionally the readings are not yet investigated or understood. Theses readings
and efficiency states are achieved by taking the AC transformer into resonance. The power
within the LC is interpreted from the inventor Hector as radiant in nature and provides a
source of ‘imaginary’ potential within the shift of the resulting power factor. The research
and development potential is to extract this potential in a condition that is non-linear and
reflected to the source."

Here is the document:
www.panacea-bocaf.org/files/Trans-verter%20R%20and%20D.pdf

Here is Tesla original copy TESLABOOK.pdf also Tesla verifies QEG operation:
docs.google.com/file/d/0B2rSroUC8bsDQzVBUVR2YTFlV3M/edit?pli=1

Γιώργος Κονταράκης
hopegirl2012 | May 5, 2015 at 12:00 pm | Categories: QEG | URL: http://wp.me/p2Gy1r-1ef
[01:28:29] Alexander Bell: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=919&v=DMRLDFChjtc

Enjoy... :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 07, 2015, 08:56:17 AM
Quote
Standard AC transformers can be pulsed to a measurable Over Unity transformation condition
where conventionally the readings are not yet investigated or understood.

100% nonsense.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on May 07, 2015, 09:03:08 AM
Obviously as usual!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 07, 2015, 09:05:35 AM
Indeed.

Why don't you give us a link to the world's first working QEG?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: isim on May 07, 2015, 09:33:18 AM
Because as you and every body, I don't know one GEG working device(Over unity)! And never it will be...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 07, 2015, 12:18:52 PM
Because as you and every body, I don't know one GEG working device(Over unity)! And never it will be...

Well then, I guess that we share the same point of view.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: a.king21 on May 07, 2015, 01:18:05 PM
It's interesting looking at the disinfo job on this "technology".
"Methinks he protesteth too loudly"   -  Shakespare or words to that effect.


I'm gonna look into it now.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 07, 2015, 04:55:11 PM
It's interesting looking at the disinfo job on this "technology".
"Methinks he protesteth too loudly"   -  Shakespare or words to that effect.


I'm gonna look into it now.
Better yet you can buy kit parts from people who have given up and save yourself thousands of dollars.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: a.king21 on May 07, 2015, 08:14:23 PM
Better yet you can buy kit parts from people who have given up and save yourself thousands of dollars.


I'm not interested in the motorized version.


 I'm solid state all the way.  8)

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 07, 2015, 08:15:52 PM

I'm not interested in the motorized version.


 I'm solid state all the way.  8)
Then you are not interested in a QEG.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: a.king21 on May 07, 2015, 08:29:06 PM
Then you are not interested in a QEG.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xuXBHJcNsk


Oh Yes I am.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 07, 2015, 11:23:47 PM
I'm flattered by the attention. There are a few differences though.

 My microQEG is an economical, electrically-pumped autoresonating oscillator that efficiently stores energy in a tank circuit for later release or controlled usage. It has been demonstrated to run DC motors, to light up bulbs both incandescent and neons as well as wireless LEDs, and to produce both HV and LV, and both AC and DC outputs.

The FTW QEG is a costly and heavy mechanically-pumped parametric oscillator that needs to be driven at just the right speed to attain resonance, using a big noisy powerful electric motor of the one-horsepower class,  and _inefficiently_ stores some of the input mechanical energy as electrical energy in its tank circuit.

Perhaps there is something special about the FTW QEG's mechanical-pumping, inductance-varying process that is supposed to attract or generate excess energy somehow. Or perhaps that is just the big Red Herring, and the purported link to some Tesla patent or other, to distract the masses from the fact that it _doesn't actually work_ as claimed, at all. Whatever, the end result is the same as achieved with the microQEG: "Overunity in VARs", LOL! And pretty colored squiggly lines on an oscilloscope!

The microQEG uses air-cored inductors with variable coupling, to store and release energy in a controllable manner. The FTW QEG uses heavy, costly iron-cored inductors with fixed coupling to store energy and release it in a less controllable way, often sparking over with destructive effects. I know of many FTW QEG cores that have had to be rewound, at great expense, due to internal arcing and insulation breakdown. In fact the design of the whole thing has been substantially altered since the first cynical "it works" release of the "open source" plans... all you have to do is build it, start it with a crank mechanism and it will run your house! LOL!

Now the FTW Guru James Robitaille is winding _yet another_ set of coils onto their core... but wait! Where is this extra set of coils on the original WITTS demonstration that suckered him in at the beginning? Looks like "the rest" is not so easy after all, doesn't it, James.

Perhaps some of the FTW builders have been able to do something with that stored energy other than light up a few bulbs and make pretty colored squiggles on an expensive oscilloscope ... if so, I haven't seen any evidence of it.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 08, 2015, 03:35:00 AM
Fix the World:  It's a spay and neuter clinic!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 10, 2015, 05:46:57 PM
The only way to get a post seen over at hopegirl's wordpress is to act in agreement or support.  For over a year now any simple statement that HINTS at "questioning" is stifled.  Not just at the wordpress but anywhere hosting qeg.  No new news there.

https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/05/07/qeg-waking-times-the-mind-unleashed-facebook-post-gone-wild/

I posted this in code
Quote
Good job! This reminds me of SFW!
to see if she would let it pass and she did!  She don't know what SFW means.  So Flipping What.

The participation rate is at 0.0001% now.  One has to ask is this because almost all post or suppressed or no one give a shit in posting on here hopegirl wordpage anymore.  Apparently both.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 10, 2015, 05:54:26 PM
Fix the World:  It's a spay and neuter clinic!

Fleece the World: It's a long running Shtick!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on May 17, 2015, 05:27:28 PM
The latest promotion on "The Build Manual" (not the device itself) shows the quote
Quote
You will not get through this in just 24 hours It's really that good.  'An Engineer'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3fm-ln19Lw

I guess if it takes more than 24 hours to read a book all its contents are valid and true.  The Engineer would better off state something to the effect should work in theory, all checks out, I peer reviewed and give my stamp of approval.  Or go in for the kill and say IT WORKS!.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 17, 2015, 08:57:41 PM
The latest promotion on "The Build Manual" (not the device itself) shows the quote
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3fm-ln19Lw

I guess if it takes more than 24 hours to read a book all its contents are valid and true.  The Engineer would better off state something to the effect should work in theory, all checks out, I peer reviewed and give my stamp of approval.  Or go in for the kill and say IT WORKS!.
How much time is allotted for uncontrollable laughter?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on May 17, 2015, 10:29:15 PM
No need for the 'team' to prove anything now as its all in the instructions. Failure to achieve self-running will just be down to not following the instructions correctly. Where have we heard this one before. The only guarantee is that lots of money will be earned by selling the instructions!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 17, 2015, 11:34:15 PM
No need for the 'team' to prove anything now as its all in the instructions. Failure to achieve self-running will just be down to not following the instructions correctly. Where have we heard this one before. The only guarantee is that lots of money will be earned by selling the instructions!
I obtained the manual.  It is hilarious.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 17, 2015, 11:42:28 PM
I obtained the manual.  It is hilarious.

Great news Mark!  Now, you too, can save the world.

This reminds me of the folks selling plans on how to "get rich quick" in the 70's.  You sent them $20 and you got a one page letter
telling you to place ads offering plans on "How to get rich quick" and get 10,000 idiots to send you $20.  So on and so on.

Sad to say, some of those guys made a lot of money before the Postal folks cracked down on them.  Of course, I never sent in $20 but, a close friend of mine did.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 17, 2015, 11:47:32 PM
Great news Mark!  Now, you too, can save the world.

This reminds me of the folks selling plans on how to "get rich quick" in the 70's.  You sent them $20 and you got a one page letter
telling you to place ads offering plans on "How to get rich quick" and get 10,000 idiots to send you $20.  So on and so on.

Sad to say, some of those guys made a lot of money before the Postal folks cracked down on them.  Of course, I never sent in $20 but, a close friend of mine did.

Bill
Those were much like "Golden Circles" AKA chain letters that were big in the 1980s and also illegal.  I had a next door neighbor get into that.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 18, 2015, 12:10:24 AM
Those were much like "Golden Circles" AKA chain letters that were big in the 1980s and also illegal.  I had a next door neighbor get into that.

Yes, I remember that.  A variation on the Ponzi scheme.  The folks inside in the early days make a lot of money, the folks getting in later...not so much.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on May 18, 2015, 07:11:45 AM
Do you think James Robitaille has read the Manual?

After all.... he can't get his QEG to self-run at all, no matter how many extra coils and etc that he puts onto it... even things that the "original genuine WITTS" device didn't have at all.....

Maybe James, "Engineering Artist" that he  is, should go back to Square One and _actually read_ the Manual, the FAQs, and the Tesla Patents (which ones were those, by the way?) so that he can get his build working right. "All you need to do is run it up to resonance, and it will run itself! You can power your home with it! You can even start it with a crank mechanism!"

What's the matter, Jamie? Having trouble putting your own information to work? Why should anyone buy instructions from you when YOU can't even get anything to work using the instructions?



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on May 18, 2015, 07:48:00 AM
Do you think James Robitaille has read the Manual?

After all.... he can't get his QEG to self-run at all, no matter how many extra coils and etc that he puts onto it... even things that the "original genuine WITTS" device didn't have at all.....

Maybe James, "Engineering Artist" that he  is, should go back to Square One and _actually read_ the Manual, the FAQs, and the Tesla Patents (which ones were those, by the way?) so that he can get his build working right. "All you need to do is run it up to resonance, and it will run itself! You can power your home with it! You can even start it with a crank mechanism!"

What's the matter, Jamie? Having trouble putting your own information to work? Why should anyone buy instructions from you when YOU can't even get anything to work using the instructions?
I am happy to report that all DampenSat IV vehicles launched and acquired their designated orbits successfully in 2014.  All have been performing at and beyond specifications.  DampenSat's  mission is classified but has been rumored to involve:  Generation of opposing acoustic forces proportional to the velocity of impinging acoustic wavefronts by means of triangulated micro heating bursts.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on May 25, 2015, 11:39:40 PM
So, what happened to Quebec engineer Evens Abellard?  He lent an air of legitimacy to this farce.   I would not be surprised if he is now back at his regular job installing and configuring IP telephones and the servers that support them.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on May 25, 2015, 11:53:15 PM
So, what happened to Quebec engineer Evens Abellard?  He lent an air of legitimacy to this farce.   I would not be surprised if he is now back at his regular job installing and configuring IP telephones and the servers that support them.

Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.

He may be on a plane to Morocco in a futile attempt to get his money back.

Who knows?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 04, 2015, 02:20:30 AM
Tesla Energy Solutions has bowed out:

https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/tes-no-longer-to-supply-qeg-kits-important-qeg-update/

I will state it again, the boys at Tesla Energy Solutions could barely punch their way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to electronics.  One assumes that things on the QEG side dried up for them a long time ago and they are not getting a single cent or a single credibility point by continuing to back Hopeless Gurl and the QEG.

Not to mention the fact that the TES boys never got the slightest whiff of free energy from the QEG.   I recall that they bought two cores themselves, so they must feel pretty burnt and unhappy.  Plus the fact that their "working" on the QEG by Team TES would be at a much lower technical level than Jamie, and Jamie is not exactly a hot shot on the bench.

"QEG Public Relations"  (i.e.; Hopeless One) is going to have to enter a spin zone to implement damage control.

It's all downhill, and the hill is getting steeper.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 04, 2015, 02:29:47 AM
QEG TUNING / TECHNICAL UPDATE - PART 1 of 2 19 May 2015 16:47

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/640-present-stage-of-qeg-development-latest-findings-call-for-
experiments?start=12#3053

Quote
An overview of the tuning and detailed exciter coil setup, with conclusion and recommendations, will follow in PART 2 in a day or so. STAY TUNED,

James

Jamie, it is June 3rd, where is your update?

------------------------------------------------------------

Core Surface Voltage Test

Published on 19 May 2015

Testing the surface voltage of a QEG core that is being conditioned, using a fluorescent light. The energy that is lighting up the bulb is radiant, or dominant energy (not conventional energy). For more information download the free QEG manual here: http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/qeg...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRAGvQX9wwo

Quote
The energy that is lighting up the bulb is radiant, or dominant energy (not conventional energy).

Hardy-har-har..... Play the "radiant energy" card and make a fluorescent light bulb light up.  That's really breaking new ground.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 04, 2015, 02:38:44 AM
QEG TUNING / TECHNICAL UPDATE - PART 1 of 2 19 May 2015 16:47

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/640-present-stage-of-qeg-development-latest-findings-call-for- (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/640-present-stage-of-qeg-development-latest-findings-call-for-)
experiments?start=12#3053

Jamie, it is June 3rd, where is your update?

------------------------------------------------------------

Core Surface Voltage Test

Published on 19 May 2015

Testing the surface voltage of a QEG core that is being conditioned, using a fluorescent light. The energy that is lighting up the bulb is radiant, or dominant energy (not conventional energy). For more information download the free QEG manual here: http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/qeg (http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/qeg)...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRAGvQX9wwo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRAGvQX9wwo)

Hardy-har-har..... Play the "radiant energy" card and make a fluorescent light bulb light up.  That's really breaking new ground.

Many folks can do that for just a few dollars....not thousands of dollars.  Some energy breakthrough.  At least the manual is free.

I wonder if it could be used as toilet paper?


Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on June 15, 2015, 05:01:11 AM
For what it's worth, I thought that I would sound the death knell for QEG Canada.

Please see attached.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Spilled Fluids on June 15, 2015, 05:31:31 PM
Many folks can do that for just a few dollars....not thousands of dollars.  Some energy breakthrough.  At least the manual is free.

I wonder if it could be used as toilet paper?


Bill

Since it's about the self running qeg; it will likely be self wiping paper ;-)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on June 15, 2015, 06:20:38 PM
Tesla Energy Solutions has bowed out:

https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/06/03/tes-no-longer-to-supply-qeg-kits-important-qeg-update/

I will state it again, the boys at Tesla Energy Solutions could barely punch their way out of a wet paper bag when it comes to electronics.  One assumes that things on the QEG side dried up for them a long time ago and they are not getting a single cent or a single credibility point by continuing to back Hopeless Gurl and the QEG.

Not to mention the fact that the TES boys never got the slightest whiff of free energy from the QEG.   I recall that they bought two cores themselves, so they must feel pretty burnt and unhappy.  Plus the fact that their "working" on the QEG by Team TES would be at a much lower technical level than Jamie, and Jamie is not exactly a hot shot on the bench.

"QEG Public Relations"  (i.e.; Hopeless One) is going to have to enter a spin zone to implement damage control.

It's all downhill, and the hill is getting steeper.
Unofficial reports from the possible ground control stations of the possible DampenSat IV orbiting array are alleged to state better than expected performance of the possible array.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 16, 2015, 02:52:24 AM
Since it's about the self running qeg; it will likely be self wiping paper ;-)

Self wiping paper?  Wow!  Excellent idea.  Someone should start a kick-starter campaign for that, ha ha.
That would, at least, be an honest and useful product.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on June 16, 2015, 03:30:45 AM
Once you try a Bidet you'll lose any interest in
"self-wiping paper."  The new styles imported
from Korea which install over your commode
are incredible.  They're finally catching on in
America.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on June 16, 2015, 03:39:02 AM
Once you try a Bidet you'll lose any interest in
"self-wiping paper."  The new styles imported
from Korea which install over your commode
are incredible.  They're finally catching on in
America.

Except in CA where soon, they will not be allowed to take a shower due to their own ignorance about the water shortage.  Of course, they could have installed a pipeline from Canada where there is abundant water supplies, but, some folks in Calf. blocked it because they were afraid the pipeline might spring a leak causing untold environmental damage. I mean, it is only water...what the heck are they talking about out there?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 16, 2015, 02:06:48 AM
http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/free-webinar-qeg-overunity.html

How to Get the QEG to Overunity . Free Webinar July 20th 2015 8PM EST

Discover How to complete your own energy efficient generator, get it to run itself, and never pay another electric bill. All in 7 Steps. This webinar is 90 minutes  long and is conducted by James Robitaille, the designer and lead Engineer for the QEG Project

Take the first step to a better future for yourself, your family, your community, and your planet.

Imagine for a moment…

•You can get off the electric power grid
•You can be proud of building your own generator.

•You have it running your home.

•You had all the building information you need.

•You have the confidence of a Master Builder


Are you tired of paying Big Energy your hard earned cash and know there’s got to be a better way?

If you answered yes to this question... let us be the first to tell you...

IT’S NOT YOUR FAULT.

Why?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Rfacts on July 24, 2015, 06:07:45 AM
QEG - The Next Phase (sales)

Attached is the new QEG complete builders package limited offer and the personal guarantee from
James Robitaille that the machine will produce OVERUNITY OUTPUT and be SELF-SUSTAINING with
minimum COP 3.9.  But don't expect demonstration or electrical measurements from FTW, the
attached pdf of a 7/21/15 FTW email explains their reason why.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 24, 2015, 06:27:41 AM
They are just desperately trying to come up with a way to pull in more money and this is it.  You will never see a working QEG from anybody.

What is comical is that in James' message about no demonstrations of over unity (big surprise there) he "guarantees" you that you will get "3kW RMS" output but "RMS power" does not even make sense.  After all this time, the man cannot express himself about electrical power properly.  That is very telling.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 24, 2015, 07:00:06 AM
QEG - The Next Phase (sales)

Attached is the new QEG builders complete package limited offer and the personal guarantee from
James Robitaille that the machine will produce OVERUNITY OUTPUT and be SELF-SUSTAINING with
minimum COP 3.9.  But don't expect demonstration or electrical measurements, the attached pdf of
a 7/21/15 email explains their reason why.
LOL, in his explanation pdf James the liar Robitaille says that he will make no promises.  Yet there is his pledged guarantee to any and all buyers.  It is hilarious that they are using the John Rohner:  "I won't show you that I have what I claim because ... I got a flat tire.  My battery was dead.  There was a tornado. My iPhone doesn't take good enough video.  The Men In Black will come for me.  My partners won't let me do it.  There was a burglary. ...".  They are nothing but con artists who seem to think that Morocco is a good safe haven.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on July 24, 2015, 08:09:02 AM
I'm one of those people that likes to look at both sides of the coin! Now with that said, how is the government for the good of the people from the very rich communities to the poorest of the poor presidents? To me it is the same. The president for the poor takes advantage of them, the president for the rich takes advantage of them = corruption. The ONLY difference is that one has more money than the other and the one that has more money in this world has more “word-of-mouth” value even if they are 100% wrong!

I, just, I just can't understand how people cannot see COP> + in the evolution of life? All life has to be producing more than the intake in order to keep on going. This ONLY means that the physical life gathers ENEGY from the “thin air” to continue! I mean, why something so simple of COP > + is so afraid to understand? Unless, we are imploding? Which our history shows that we are EVOLUTING! From “intelligence'? Lol how stupid can you be? As if I'm to believe that our evolution is cop<←…then explain how the "evolution” of life is COP < negative? Explain please!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 24, 2015, 09:04:19 AM
I'm one of those people that likes to look at both sides of the coin! Now with that said, how is the government for the good of the people from the very rich communities to the poorest of the poor presidents? To me it is the same. The president for the poor takes advantage of them, the president for the rich takes advantage of them = corruption. The ONLY difference is that one has more money than the other and the one that has more money in this world has more “word-of-mouth” value even if they are 100% wrong!

I, just, I just can't understand how people cannot see COP> + in the evolution of life? All life has to be producing more than the intake in order to keep on going. This ONLY means that the physical life gathers ENEGY from the “thin air” to continue! I mean, why something so simple of COP > + is so afraid to understand? Unless, we are imploding? Which our history shows that we are EVOLUTING! From “intelligence'? Lol how stupid can you be? As if I'm to believe that our evolution is cop<←…then explain how the "evolution” of life is COP < negative? Explain please!
All life consumes nutrients to keep going.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on July 24, 2015, 09:09:37 AM
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All life consumes nutrients to keep going.

Yeah I just ate shark fin soup, what's your point regarding COP < negative?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 24, 2015, 09:29:25 AM
Yeah I just ate shark fin soup, what's your point regarding COP < negative?
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All life has to be producing more than the intake in order to keep on going.
Is flat wrong.  Nutrients supply the energy that keeps any given form of life going.  The caloric energy of the nutrients exceeds the mechanical work performed by the organism.  The rest goes out mostly as heat and a teency tiny bit of E/M radiation.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on July 24, 2015, 09:40:45 AM
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Is flat wrong.  Nutrients supply the energy that keeps any given form of life going.  The caloric energy of the nutrients exceeds the mechanical work performed by the organism.  The rest goes out mostly as heat and a teensy tiny bit of E/M radiation.

OK I agree, but what do you see there? Do you see “food” being given for “freee” to the living which = COP > +?

Just think about it, “food to keep on evolving” from the “mother nature” = FREEE = COP>+?

Now we are talking about the food of evolution here. ALL life needs to keep on eating to survive, is the food COP<negative?

I don't think you are doing your math right?

I have read your answer MarkE before and you are very smart! BUT I cannot believe that FOOD is COP<negative in this world. It has to be COP>positive. Meaning, the mother nature has billions of years of energy in the air to gather. = COP>positive in our earth! If you don't believe in COP>positive then explain COP>negative? It's pretty simple obvious if you pay attention to the life of the universe.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 24, 2015, 09:51:46 AM
OK I agree, but what do you see there? Do you see “food” being given for “freee” to the living which = COP > +?
Solar fusion => increasing entropy => sunlight => photosynthesis  => increasing entropy => food chain => increasing entropy at each step.  All COPs < 1.0.
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Just think about it, “food to keep on evolving” from the “mother nature” = FREEE = COP>+?
Did you forget about the sun?
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Now we are talking about the food of evolution here. ALL life needs to keep on eating to survive, is the food COP<negative?
Negative?  Try 0 < COP < 1.0.  Where do you get negative COPs?
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I don't think you are doing your math right?
Maybe.  Perhaps you would like to describe how you get a negative COP.  COPs are ratios.
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I have read your answer MarkE before and you are very smart! BUT I cannot believe that FOOD is COP<negative in this world. It has to be COP>positive. Meaning, the mother nature has billions of years of energy in the air to gather. = COP>positive in our earth! If you don't believe in COP>positive then explain COP>negative? It's pretty simple obvious if you pay attention to the life of the universe.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on July 24, 2015, 10:10:48 AM
MarkE, I think you are just focusing on my stupid way of expressing myself. What I like to concentrate on most is the “balance” of truth! Which to me = COP>+. Meaning in this earth we are only gathering energy. We live by gathering energy since even the voltage comes from generators. So where do the generators gather the voltage from? The spin right? COP>+! It's like a ladder of FREEE energy from the “mother nature”! There are billions of years of freee energy and billions of years of freee meteors! BUTTT it's just only a mater of GATHERING FREEE energy from “mother nature” to keep on living….POINT BLANK< YOU WOULD NOT BE HERE IF THE EARTH SHIFTED PLACE WITH PLUTO!

SO by COP>+ I mean “over unity”. There is no other way! The galaxy is a bigggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg battery that provides FREEE energy to our world! = COP>+!

Unless you can show me proof how you make your own food? :|
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 24, 2015, 02:51:45 PM
MarkE, I think you are just focusing on my stupid way of expressing myself. What I like to concentrate on most is the “balance” of truth! Which to me = COP>+. Meaning in this earth we are only gathering energy. We live by gathering energy since even the voltage comes from generators. So where do the generators gather the voltage from? The spin right? COP>+! It's like a ladder of FREEE energy from the “mother nature”! There are billions of years of freee energy and billions of years of freee meteors! BUTTT it's just only a mater of GATHERING FREEE energy from “mother nature” to keep on living….POINT BLANK< YOU WOULD NOT BE HERE IF THE EARTH SHIFTED PLACE WITH PLUTO!

SO by COP>+ I mean “over unity”. There is no other way! The galaxy is a bigggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg battery that provides FREEE energy to our world! = COP>+!

Unless you can show me proof how you make your own food? :|
If you want to speak in a unique dialecct where you use words contrary to their accepted meaning then you will most often find that you converse only with yourself.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on July 24, 2015, 08:37:58 PM
Looks like the Robitailles have now abandoned any possible excuse of "mistake" and have entered into blatant fraud.

Can you imagine the courtroom scene? When James can't get his "guaranteed" self running device actually to self run, in front of a judge?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 24, 2015, 08:49:01 PM
Looks like the Robitailles have now abandoned any possible excuse of "mistake" and have entered into blatant fraud.

Can you imagine the courtroom scene? When James can't get his "guaranteed" self running device actually to self run, in front of a judge?
It would seem so.  But what choice does he have?  The larder is low and hope to keep her belly full girl keeps looking at him with hungry eyes.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: allcanadian on July 24, 2015, 09:00:52 PM
@Bill
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Except in CA where soon, they will not be allowed to take a shower due to
their own ignorance about the water shortage.  Of course, they could have
installed a pipeline from Canada where there is abundant water supplies, but,
some folks in Calf. blocked it because they were afraid the pipeline might
spring a leak causing untold environmental damage. I mean, it is only
water...what the heck are they talking about out there?

Actually no, and the last Canadian government which tried to put water rights on the trading table was kicked out of office soon after. The Canadian people have made it quite clear that while many natural resources may be for sale water is not one of them. It's a national pride thing, The U.S. has guns and unrestrained capitalism and we have water and hockey which as you may know is played on frozen water. The Canadian equivalent is....  "I'll give you my -water- when you take it from my cold, dead hands".
 
On a side note Victor Schauberger solved the water issue decades ago.... have you noticed there is an abundance of water wherever there is an adundance of tree's?. Now one might ask did the rain make all the tree's grow or did the tree's attract the rain?. You see tree's absorb ground water then transpire/evaporate this water which cools the air. The cool low pressure air attracts warm moist air at a higher pressure which cools, condenses as rain leading to more ground water thus more tree's. The natural cycle at work until some half-wit capitalist decides cutting down all the tree's for profit is not a problem which then becomes a very big problem and what goes around always comes around. We have an abundance of trees and water here in Canada however the industry is highly regulated so it is sustainable... key word sustainable.

AC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: truesearch on July 24, 2015, 09:13:26 PM
AC:


Good points.


But then the US was able to get the all-time recorder maker to go south of the 49th : Gretzky


truesearch
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: allcanadian on July 24, 2015, 09:41:38 PM
@truesearch
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But then the US was able to get the all-time recorder maker to go south of the
49th : Gretzky
That is the part most Americans cannot seem to understand about Canadians and they did not make Gretzky do anything.  We are very independent people and free to choose to live wherever we wish. We are not bound nor confined by blind patriotism to our country and while we love our country which is where we choose to live we could be quite happy to live anywhere else in the world. We are not held captive by our own country we are captivated by it which is why we choose to live here. Me Im' going to retire on a beach in Mexico at some point soon once the kids are gone.... goodby snow hello cold beer on a warm beach because I also love Mexico, the coast and fishing. My home is where I choose to live not where others tell me I should live.
 
AC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 25, 2015, 01:12:11 AM
Sometimes you gotta think big:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Recycling_and_Northern_Development_Canal

Great Recycling and Northern Development Canal

The Great Recycling and Northern Development (GRAND) Canal of North America or GCNA is a water management proposal designed by Newfoundland engineer Thomas Kierans to alleviate North American freshwater shortage problems. The GCNA, which relies upon water management technologies used in the Zuiderzee / IJsselmeer and California Aqueduct, has been promoted by Kierans since 1959. The plan's cost and potential environmental impacts have prevented serious consideration of the idea.

This plan arose as water quality issues threatened the Great Lakes and other vital areas in Canada and the United States.[1] Kierans proposes that to avoid a water crisis from future droughts in Canada and the United States, in addition to water conservation, acceptable new fresh water sources must be found.

The premise of the GCNA is that fresh water run-off from natural precipitation will be collected in James Bay by means of a series of outflow-only, sea level dikes-constructed across the northern end of James Bay. These dikes will capture the fresh water before it mixes with the salty water of Hudson Bay and create a new source of fresh water the equivalent of 2.5 times the flow over Niagara Falls for Canada and the United States. In the second phase of the GRAND Canal proposal a percentage of the captured fresh water run-off would be transferred from the new freshwater reservoir in James Bay by a series of canals and pumping stations south to the Great Lakes. Once in the Great Lakes the new fresh water will be available to stabilize water levels in the Great Lakes/St. Lawrence water basin and to be transferred by natural and man made canals and pumping stations to water deficit areas of Canada and the United States.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 25, 2015, 01:27:53 AM
Canadians are just plain selfish and stupid to instinctively say "no" when it comes to sharing their fresh water resources.  Fresh water is like Manna from heaven, and it's a 100% RENEWABLE resource.  Fresh water runoff flowing into James Bay is like pouring good water down the drain.

Yes, it will change the environment in the sub-arctic James Bay and who knows, some unique species of snails that live in James Bay will die off.  Horror of horrors.

Meanwhile, if that fresh water was sent down to the US Midwest breadbasket, chances are it would give farmers the ability to avoid drought problems all together, and allow annual food production to increase by hundreds of millions of tons annually.  It would lower food prices for all and probably help feed the world.  I am just talking wild guesses.

The point is that growing crops and avoiding droughts and feeding people is way more important than a few endangered snails eking out a living in sub-Arctic James Bay.  Turning James Bay into a man-made fresh water resource saves all of the precious fresh water that flows into James Bay right now and effectively gets poured down the drain.

People just don't want to think big anymore and they are just toooo environmentally sensitive.  Life will go on if we turn James Bay into a giant source of fresh water.

Nuke the snails and reap the benefits, that's what I say.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 25, 2015, 05:47:56 AM
@truesearchThat is the part most Americans cannot seem to understand about Canadians and they did not make Gretzky do anything.  We are very independent people and free to choose to live wherever we wish. We are not bound nor confined by blind patriotism to our country and while we love our country which is where we choose to live we could be quite happy to live anywhere else in the world. We are not held captive by our own country we are captivated by it which is why we choose to live here. Me Im' going to retire on a beach in Mexico at some point soon once the kids are gone.... goodby snow hello cold beer on a warm beach because I also love Mexico, the coast and fishing. My home is where I choose to live not where others tell me I should live.
 
AC

You prove time and again that you know nothing about the U.S.  Too bad you have to depend upon America to protect you in the world.

Good luck in Mexico...the drug cartels will love you.

Bill

PS  The only thing I respect about Canada, I learned from watching a Border Patrol episode where a guy was attempting to cross into Canada from the US to live with his brother.  The US folks let him pass but the Canadian Border folks would not let him enter unless he could prove that he had at least $15,000 deposited in a Canadian bank from which he could support himself.  Since he obviously could not do that...he was sent back into the US 8 hours later.  I really wish the US did this.  The Canada guards explained this was to prevent folks from moving there that would place a financial burden on the population.  Bravo! 

Down here, we let folks sneak in and then give them housing, medical care, food, and a cell phone and...social security benefits as well even though they never paid in a dime.  It is obviously not sustainable and I really do like the way Canada handles this.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on July 25, 2015, 06:50:19 AM
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If you want to speak in a unique dialecct where you use words contrary to their accepted meaning then you will most often find that you converse only with yourself.

Just understand how long will the earth keep on turning? For billions of years more right? Now understand that the suns' energy to burn was created from “outer space”. So right there we can understand that A) the sun will continue to burn for billions of years and B) the sun is giving out FREEE energy till it dies out. So the sun is the battery that has been charged for billions of years to come = COP>+ mean while. Just like the waters' energy powering the generators = COP>+. If you think about the big bang, is a COP>+ and the “bubble” of the space it's expanding till one day it reaches COP<negative. And then there will be another “big bang” from the energy gathered from the cosmos. BUT as we speak, everything is COP>+ till the energy is depleted. You have to take inconsideration what is giving the milky way Galaxy “food” to keep on staying intact and further down the ladder to a human turning on a light in a room.

Just look at a plant! Does not move to survive. It's 'food” is just given for FREEE with out the plant moving! Of course, the plant needs sun light, air, water, and maybe a little dirt...but for billions of years plants and animals are flureshing from this “big bang” COP>+ energy. When there is no more FREEE energy to gather from generators nor from clean water/air, then we have a COP<negative and that will mean an implosion of the galaxy...lol Just understand these simple things.

So a machine that is COP>+ is just like a generator driven by the energy of the water flow. A generator is taping in to the FREEE energy of how mother nature works. And IT CANNOT BE COP← because we would not be evolving if it was.  :o

Do you think "food" is coming from COP<negative?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on July 25, 2015, 07:10:27 AM
I have been in this sub-forum before and I have studied the evidence and I have mentioned that the ONLY reason hope girl was “forcing” this to the social media is because she wants to help society BUT she is not the “brains” of the operation so I’m sure she does not even understand how a battery works. This is simple to understand and show be understood by any intelligent researcher. The we have guy (don't know if he's the uncle, dad, or what) that actually understand these type of contraptions but at the same time does not understand the machine he is trying to make. BUT at the end of the day, they both want to make a change in this world and where willing to risk their reputation where I never see milehigh try such a thing, I don't even know how he looks like. Is he obese? Does he have pimples in his face? Can he do 30 pushups with out running out of breath?

The point is that these guys are trying to make a change in this world where we need more of them!

SO the conclusion is that their ULTIMATE goal was/is to make a change in this world like thousand of other people are trying to fight against corruption! I just don't understand how “smart” people cannot see this?

But the again, what has milehigh done to try to change the world?

What has TinselKoala done to try to change the world?

What has pirate done to try to change this world with his Jbweld crap? Lol

MarkE, you are very very smart but what have you done to change this world UNLESS you feel contempt that everything is 100% flowing smooth and just?

If I was a cheerleader wearing a mini skirt and throwing my poom pooms I would not find any reason to cheer for the guys mentioned starting with milehigh lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on July 25, 2015, 07:54:42 AM
The point is that they are shameless liars who never had what they have claimed to have.  It looks like their ability to draw in new money after bad is dwindling.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on July 25, 2015, 08:54:29 AM



  Joel,
        seriously, do you believe what you write? Since when has downright fraud
advanced the world?
  Robitallie can guarantee what he likes because if he's got nothing, the only thing
you can take is his freedom.
    You sometimes hear of free energy people being murdered, the most likely thing
is they're "taken out" by a disgruntled investor.
    I just can't believe the naivety of some of the people that post on here, out of
all the things I've looked at over the years I've never seen an absolutely proven
milliwatt.
       John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on July 25, 2015, 08:59:13 AM
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The point is that they are shameless liars who never had what they have claimed to have.  It looks like their ability to draw in new money after bad is dwindling.

It is plain and simple to see that they want to help society! They believe/d in the “invention” of that fat guy! Now the truth is out that that guy was not speaking 100% truth! Or at least that guy never had a 100% working model. From the start, it looked shady because these guys are trying to figure out the formula to give out to the world from a guy that was being secretive! But at the same time they are trying to understand how they where lied to themselves and now they are at a state of what to do next since they believed 100% they where going to find the TRUTH for OU! But even in their failure you can tell the “is the thought that counts”. They never intended to take advantage of anyone they are just now are trying to figure out whats next to help the people that are being corrupt + 100% intention to help since the start!.

Then again how are you 100% sure that the engorgement did not have anything to do with their success?

I'm amazed that guys like yourself that have done sooo many testings and tinkering blatantly cannot see the human gestures to help VS those that just want to harm you. = you cannot read people dude! and of course cause you do not have a degree in psychology?

Aside from that, answer me from where does the energy come from for all the food?

Do humans make it?

I mean, hmmm hehehehe, from where does light come from after billions of years..lol and then where will light go after hitting our earth (reflecting)? JUST THE SIMPLE FACT THAT LIGHT IS THE ONLY MEANS TO VIEW THE “big bang” means COP>+. Light does not come from out earth! The earth is just a gatherer of energy bro! Think about it! If I can make myself clear.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on July 25, 2015, 09:29:24 AM
Oh hi minnie – a farmer that shaves sheep hair. How is the business going? Question, What do you do to make sheep and then what do you do to make the sheep grow hair? really? lol  :o

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: allcanadian on July 25, 2015, 09:35:18 AM
@MH
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Canadians are just plain selfish and stupid to instinctively say "no" when it comes to sharing their fresh water resources.  Fresh water is like Manna from heaven, and it's a 100% RENEWABLE resource.  Fresh water runoff flowing into James Bay is like pouring good water down the drain.[/size]Yes, it will change the environment in the sub-arctic James Bay and who knows, some unique species of snails that live in James Bay will die off.  Horror of horrors.




Lets face the fact that we all have problems however where do you think we are headed in the future by always consuming more and more resources?. I mean really... where does it end when we are always consuming more than we have?. It's a fools game in my opinion and I have no respect for fools, this is not going to end well for anyone.


@Bill


I understand your view however corporations from some country are raping, pillaging and plundering the global financial and resource markets and I shouldn't have to tell you which country this is because I think you already know. Why should we trust them? why should we have any reason to believe them given the destruction they leave behind whenever they get involved in anything?. The problem is it's like sleeping with a rabid dog and no matter how much you may like it at some point you know your going to wake up missing a leg and wondering why you didn't know better.


It's not that we don't like Americans it's just that we know we cannot trust them because their corporations and government are rabid. They are Donald Trump on crystal meth at a fixed poker game and are so radical and extreme in comparison it simply boggles the mind. We may as well be living on different planets in my opinion because we are most definitely not that way yet but everyone seems to be headed in that direction and it's all bad.


AC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on July 25, 2015, 09:48:39 AM
They Robbed people, zero transparency, denied anyone from asking even nicely asked questions that were important related directly to their so called open source design. Had they allowed transparency rather than deception, nobody would have sent them all that money.
Hundreds of thousands of dollars somehow found its was into the hands of this operation.
Apparently they are making one last go at peoples cash, the final chapter of a scam that will never deliver any working device.

If a small group of people claim to have a flying carpet, and ask you to give them money to see it fly, and you give them money, lots of money to see it fly and it still never flies, yet they tell you with just a little more money they promise it will fly, because they will help you weave the damn rug until it is able to float, well they better be showing you the hidden fans or the helium that would be the only reason why their less than welcome mat could ever levitate. No, instead, they only sold you more Hollywood.
They used some very poor people as a backdrop to play on decent supporters trust.
They claimed to have went there to make sure those very poor people would have a working community well pump.
Well, nothing is all and well with their well. Instead a large ammount of money changed hands, and not one penny was
invested to make sure that a working well would be accessable by those who really needed it most.
Alot of deception, the deception turned out to be way better designed than the not working device they claimed would easily
solve those poor peoples problems with the well.

They made sure a circus act was able to run unhindered by deception in the name of short term profitable fraud.
They disillusioned a entire group of 'hope'fuls, that group had nothing but the best intentions, little did they realize how blindly their own organizers were keeping them, until gradually the hopefuls caught on and felt best to place distance between themselves and the actual donation cash spenders higher up the scam ladder.

There is still no working device, no working pump installed in the poor peoples town well, and not very much of even a sorry from the thieves instead of running to home depot to get some needed well repair parts, only pats on their own backs from eachother for somehow being able to pull the scam off for as long as it ran without any actual proof of given initial claims.
And now you know the underlying truth of the story, though feel free to actually donate more donated time that the scammers really do not care if you end up donating/spending on the scammers behalf. If they did care, they would not have wasted other peoples time or money, for selfish underlying reasons.

They used a borrowed older scam, well, no honor amongst theives, because shortly after beginning claiming to have a working device of their own, they bit the theiving hand that trained them by calling their teachers as being cash grabbers that kept asking for more and more money with each new question that would be presented to them, those pushy toned when confronted scammers, one that actually seems to have a SIR in front of the name title of their circus ring leader. Is the SIR entitlement authenticly presented to the bearer? Based on how that groups lack of transparancy is offered when approached, even the name titlement is probably a allowable loophole able to bypass from being fraud. and if it is a real title, wtf are the monarchs doing handing out such things? oh right, even the monarchs are decendants of head chopping egotists bent on finding ways to collect more and more taxes.
Probably different than impersonating a police officer etc, much like how anyone can name their kid jesus, moreso in latin america it appears, yet that does not infringe on any actual real or not real jesus.
Actually jesus is a concept, much like lots of concepts, conceptualized then explained, theres another one that seems to get away without meaningful proof beyond any smoke and mirrors shadow of doubt, though there are some overly spirited individuals all too willing to scream blue murder in your face until they feel its time you stop questioning their belief system and just accept it to be valid and true. burn the witches etc etc they said about the fearful and frightening scientists, only a little has changed since then.

As for MarkE, he is doing his best to help others learn, supportive towards a common better world, for all, and not just a self selected overly vocal chosen few who feel the need to position themselves as above others. If a new thing comes along that is proven to actually work, he will be there helping to make sure others know about it, its in his and people like his nature.

The world needs more people like MarkE.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on July 25, 2015, 10:11:06 PM
Quote from: Pirate
You prove time and again that you know nothing about the U.S.  Too bad you have to depend upon America to protect you in the world.

Typical "American" arrogance and hubris.

Quote from: Boobus Americanus
Love it or leave it.  Defend it to the death.

America is the greatest and the best.

If you arent' with us you're against us.

Bringing Democracy to the World.



The sentiments of Boobus Americanus...

Quote from: The Canadian who truly understands America
I understand your view however corporations from some country are raping, pillaging and plundering the global financial and resource markets and I shouldn't have to tell you which country this is because I think you already know. Why should we trust them? why should we have any reason to believe them given the destruction they leave behind whenever they get involved in anything?. The problem is it's like sleeping with a rabid dog and no matter how much you may like it at some point you know your going to wake up missing a leg and wondering why you didn't know better.


It's not that we don't like Americans it's just that we know we cannot trust them because their corporations and government are rabid. They are Donald Trump on crystal meth at a fixed poker game and are so radical and extreme in comparison it simply boggles the mind. We may as well be living on different planets in my opinion because we are most definitely not that way yet but everyone seems to be headed in that direction and it's all bad.

Aye, you've said it well!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on July 25, 2015, 10:18:04 PM
Typical "American" arrogance and hubris.


The sentiments of Boobus Americanus...

Love it or leave it.  Defend it to the death.

America is the greatest and the best.

If you arent' with us you're against us.

Bringing Democracy to the World.

You either made that crap up or found something on the net that seemed to be correct, so you copied it.

Why would anyone think that the US would bring "democracy' to other countries around the world when the US is not a democracy itself?  See?  Your post make 0 sense.  The US is, and always has been, a Representative republic. It has never been a democracy.  Please study some US history before making such a fool of yourself again when posting.

Also, why does love it or leave it make no sense to you?  Why would you, or anyone, stay somewhere that you hate?  Well...maybe you would, but a normal person would not.  Do you stay in hotels that you hate?  Do you eat in restaurants that you hate?  Do you work at a job that you hate?  Do you stay married to a woman that you hate?  See?  Try a little common sense next time.

Thank you,

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on July 26, 2015, 08:10:59 AM
They are just desperately trying to come up with a way to pull in more money and this is it.  You will never see a working QEG from anybody.

What is comical is that in James' message about no demonstrations of over unity (big surprise there) he "guarantees" you that you will get "3kW RMS" output but "RMS power" does not even make sense.  After all this time, the man cannot express himself about electrical power properly.  That is very telling.

There was much debate last year whether James was in on the scam or just being used by Hopegirl.  These last pdf releases and videos should removal all doubt of any passiveness or innocence.  He has been on the take day one.

Take a look at the latest Bee Ess from the Que Eee Gee group.  How to spot internet scams LOL!!
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/the-art-of-online-scamming-what-you-need-to-know-for-protecting-yourself-and-friends/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on July 26, 2015, 09:36:36 AM
There was much debate last year whether James was in on the scam or just being used by Hopegirl.  These last pdf releases and videos should removal all doubt of any passiveness or innocence.  He has been on the take day one.

Take a look at the latest Bee Ess from the Que Eee Gee group.  How to spot internet scams LOL!!
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/the-art-of-online-scamming-what-you-need-to-know-for-protecting-yourself-and-friends/

They refuse to admit they lied saying they had a working device, and to only make themselves look worse by posting pages based on a title called: the 'art' of online scamming etc etc,  in court later on if they are brought to explain their little scam.
If they were really honest, why would they avoid a more open venue rather than over moderate their public interactions to the point that nobody ever has been able to ask them anything that isn't written to make them appear honest? Look at their own comments section and all you will find is only the most uninforming and happy comments allowed, its obvious, they are scammers, wiping their feet on the idea of open source by claiming they are open source, just sad.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on July 26, 2015, 09:46:50 AM
Hey ACG that link you posted to is true to be honest and has no merit on any point you are trying to make. The full article is here http://manifestdestinytriforce.blogspot.com/2015/06/the-art-of-online-scamming-what-you.html?m=1 which is true regardless.

The main point of that article is protect yourself from scams. But does not corelate to the government printing money for free (well more precise banks) at will.

Why can't a generator be made for freee like one can give out freee WiFi? Is not like an engeener that designed a generator is maintaining it or peddling to make it spin. Nope, he is in mexico fucking hookers and eating shrimp plus drinking expensive scotch and gambling money away like nothing. Hmmm what are you doing with your no generator built life? If you think about it, they do not own the water since it travels around the world from rain water going down the mountains. Think about that son!

You are projecting your unconscious inner subtle anger of inequality of your life to the wrong people bro.  ::)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on July 26, 2015, 10:32:26 AM
There was much debate last year whether James was in on the scam or just being used by Hopegirl.  These last pdf releases and videos should removal all doubt of any passiveness or innocence.  He has been on the take day one.

Take a look at the latest Bee Ess from the Que Eee Gee group.  How to spot internet scams LOL!!
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/the-art-of-online-scamming-what-you-need-to-know-for-protecting-yourself-and-friends/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/07/21/the-art-of-online-scamming-what-you-need-to-know-for-protecting-yourself-and-friends/)

I fully agree that he has been in on it since day one.  He did the entire sales pitch rife with lies during the webinar.  He has been going through the motions pretending that he is on his bench full time but I am quite certain that that is not the case and hasn't been the case for a long time.  He, his wife, and his stepdaughter are probably living very frugally and not working, which is fine with them.  The only "work" they do is "unconventional work" - working on scheming on how to raise money from other people to live on.

I really hope they fell flat on their collective faces with the webinar.  I just checked, and their FundRazr begging page is at $3201 and the "campaign" is now 42 weeks old.

Regarding the online scamming warning that is indeed ironic.  They are warning people about themselves.  The ship is sinking.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 03, 2015, 07:01:25 PM
They are just desperately trying to come up with a way to pull in more money and this is it.  You will never see a working QEG from anybody.

What is comical is that in James' message about no demonstrations of over unity (big surprise there) he "guarantees" you that you will get "3kW RMS" output but "RMS power" does not even make sense.  After all this time, the man cannot express himself about electrical power properly.  That is very telling.

ya what a bunch of scammers they are over at qeg. making guarantees based on zero substance.

and apparently they have added a connected link from their main qeg page to a page that seemingly appears innocent enough as that page suggests as to how people can protect themselves from being ripped off,  by the embellishments of an author that can be found over at manfestdestintytriforce, mr. aaron l meileiac. if thats even his real name. willing to bet 'hope moore' knows the truth about it, but you would have to ask her about that one provided if she is willing to change, and TELL THE TRUTH.

 The Art of Online Scamming.  What you need to know for protecting yourself and friends!

Author: Aaron L Meileiac

http://manifestdestinytriforce.blogspot.ca/2015/06/the-art-of-online-scamming-what-you.html


now according to the qeg website, they call manifestdestinytriforce their friends.
until they end up removing that link suggesting that that was never the case, as they continue to pave their own highway to hell under the disguise of only being pavers of good intentions.

and mr meileiac claimed in email to me he planned on writing a update to that scamming article the day after being approached about it.
thats when he asked if i wanted to write that update on his behalf, i told him no thanx, its your animal, write it yourself.

it really shouldn't be so easy for those type of scammers to continue to operate with such very little resistance.

aaron seems to think 'hope more' as he names her, to be a 'sweetie' as just sugested minutes ago in a email reply.
wonder why.
apparently she also a member of the same organization arron is ALSO in as is mentioned by him below.

'And there are a few qeg groups. If your in refernce to hope more then im sorry but hope is a sweetie and a delegate at swissindo.'

the world wide wolves wearing sheeps clothing?

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 03, 2015, 08:39:30 PM
Remember _last summer_ when the UK group was "Hours away from self-running"? How many hours are there in _almost 18 months_ I wonder?

Now just take a look at the Be-Do forum. People are bewildered.....
 
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/682-how-to-get-the-qeg-to-overunity#3121 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/682-how-to-get-the-qeg-to-overunity#3121)
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/294-hi-from-uk?limitstart=0 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/294-hi-from-uk?limitstart=0)
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/681-breaking-news-qeg-phase-3-complete?start=6 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/681-breaking-news-qeg-phase-3-complete?start=6)

This would be hilarious if it weren't so pitiful....
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/692-hi-from-lkcl-submitted-a-slashdot-article#3125 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/692-hi-from-lkcl-submitted-a-slashdot-article#3125)

Note the continuation of the outright lies in the Slashdot posting:
http://slashdot.org/submission/4709629/open-hardware-team-successfully-replicating-tesla-inventions (http://slashdot.org/submission/4709629/open-hardware-team-successfully-replicating-tesla-inventions)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 03, 2015, 08:48:23 PM
From the "New FAQs" :

Quote
Can I see a video of the QEG demonstrating overunity?
For those who want to see video/demonstrations: After some tough lessons about the unsavory things that go on in this ‘free energy’ arena, which we had no idea about when we began in 2013, we must inform you that no videos demonstrating overunity, self-sustaining, or live electrical measurements will be forthcoming from us. There are very good reasons for this which will be explained below. The faithful people who are successfully building, doing the work and following our instructions can demonstrate their machines if they so desire.
It’s a funny thing how many are coming out of the woodwork now that we have done all the work, who want us to ‘prove it’ to them, but we have been wisely advised over the past several months – as we were reaching our breakthrough – to never, EVER make any promises of financial return or ‘proof’ of technological success. Even WITTS told us their demo videos have done them little good since people simply assume they are fake, and as such, become more fodder for condemnation. The QEG family has lost enough just by posting all instructions freely on the internet, and we have been publicly beaten up by the naysayers, shills, and trolls quite enough.
Historically, those who have been successful in anything that goes up against Big Energy have had their reputations, labs, and lives destroyed, and have even been murdered. We have been very public up to now because we felt it was our only protection. It’s tempting, but we draw the line at demonstrations, as this is where really bad things start to happen to good people.
We know this is disappointing, but we have been put us up against a wall by those who have their own agendas for control of this splendid technology. We are not manufacturers of QEGs, we are teachers. We are not selling a product, we are sharing technology and asking for compensation for our time. We must maintain our stand.


She is so cynical that she believes that intelligent people can't see right through this posturing.



Well, excuse me... I need to go feed my herd of invisible pink flying unicorns, so that they can keep their strength up for saving the world. No... of course I'm not going to show you any PROOF of my invisible pink flying unicorns... just send me more money so that I can keep feeding them. I'm not breeding them, just sharing technology.  I'm just asking for compensation for my time !!!

What's that? You don't believe in my invisible pink flying unicorn herd? Why not, I've given you just as much proof of them as you have of the "Guaranteed" QEG self-running and providing excess output power!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 03, 2015, 11:14:23 PM
oh, so no being able to finish the well intentioned project because it will not be demonstrated by the creators that are such great and nice people, pure as the falling snow as is commonly believed.
darn it, now i can't build my exact copy of their open sourced project. you guys ruined it, and that has made our leaders walk away.

the cities will just have to remain polluted because of our project leaders most recent decision to just not help bring this great project of theirs as is promoted by them to completion, even though they are still so great and nice helpful people once you get to know them for who they truely are, as pure as the falling snow. you do know they were so close, something about VARS just needed to be adjusted, and then it was time to get the factories busy making sure everyone could have one too. only a few days moore it looked like.
maybe i can see if torelco will be willing to let me return their practically new condition coil to them because i can't figure the darn thing out, that way i can put the money back in my kids college funds. they both want to be neurologists, who would've thought. just so proud of them.

still years later, i'm not discouraged even a little, you just have to keep saving up hope for a as promised better world by our great and unselfishly committed leaders over at witts and the qeg!  it really is a for sure thing if the qeg scientific inventors who designed it to work exactly the same way like over at witts, simply  just refused giving up on all hope earning the nobel prize which is rightfully theirs.

after all, they have so many other wonderful helpful projects going right now, way more than witts ever did, though if they can't get it tuned, thats ok because its most likely witts anyways, theirs work already.
stop being so negative and just go along with it if you can't say anything nice at all!
they are honest and worthy of such because its true, and because they have good karma.
they wont be the ones going to hell and you know it! you just need to repent a little.
if they just kept holding hope a little higher and kept tuning it its just got to work.
they said this is why too, and that at one time in the past they mentioned the fact that they were able to be successful with it.

ah well, such is life..

i'll just buy one that seems easier, ya instead of trying to make one, probably in about 3 or 4 months from now if not sooner.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 03, 2015, 11:24:16 PM
From the "New FAQs" :


She is so cynical that she believes that intelligent people can't see right through this posturing.



Well, excuse me... I need to go feed my herd of invisible pink flying unicorns, so that they can keep their strength up for saving the world. No... of course I'm not going to show you any PROOF of my invisible pink flying unicorns... just send me more money so that I can keep feeding them. I'm not breeding them, just sharing technology.  I'm just asking for compensation for my time !!!

What's that? You don't believe in my invisible pink flying unicorn herd? Why not, I've given you just as much proof of them as you have of the "Guaranteed" QEG self-running and providing excess output power!
It's hilarious.  She sounds just like Dr. Dr. Con: John Rohner.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 04, 2015, 03:29:40 AM
They (meaning James Robitaille, Engineering Artiste Extraordinaire) still speak of output in terms of "Watts RMS". There is no mention of the "400 Hz" which was supposed to be the operating frequency.

Quote
How Much Power does the QEG put out?
 
 Once tuned, the QEG’s sinusoidal output energy is a combination of AC, RF, and radiant impulses, which will drive standard loads equivalent to 3kW (guaranteed) up to 10kW RMS or more, depending on the level of tuning. The output frequency I’m running is 150Hz, which is the ½ harmonic of the M19 core steel’s resonant frequency of 300Hz (this may be different for your machine depending on steel type used), and this is the frequency (150Hz) that has to be converted to 50 or 60HZ to be usable as your electrical mains. The output voltage is dependent upon whether the secondary output is wired in series or parallel, and will likely be 300-350 VAC for series wiring, and 150-200 VAC for parallel. Since people seem to expect a COP rating (which is really inappropriate for a self-sustained machine), I have guaranteed output of at least COP 3.9 based on the ratio of motor input power (768 Watts or 1 HP) to total output power (3000/768=3.90625), or at least 3kW RMS output.   


"Total Output Power" of course must include Reactive Power, measured as pretty colored lines on an oscilloscope, since they can't really drive any real loads at a power greater than the input power to the motor.

Too bad they can't even come close to the "total output power" ratio of my totally solid-state MicroQEG.

Which, by the way, I am NOT afraid to demonstrate, since it performs exactly as I have claimed that it does.


By the way, what happens if someone isn't able to obtain the "guaranteed" output power that Robitaille claims? Do they get their money back? Can the Robitailles be sued? I ask this since _nobody_ has reported anything near that from any QEG build to date -- much less "self-running".



 :P
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 04, 2015, 04:40:43 AM
They (meaning James Robitaille, Engineering Artiste Extraordinaire) still speak of output in terms of "Watts RMS". There is no mention of the "400 Hz" which was supposed to be the operating frequency.


"Total Output Power" of course must include Reactive Power, measured as pretty colored lines on an oscilloscope, since they can't really drive any real loads at a power greater than the input power to the motor.

Too bad they can't even come close to the "total output power" ratio of my totally solid-state MicroQEG.

Which, by the way, I am NOT afraid to demonstrate, since it performs exactly as I have claimed that it does.


By the way, what happens if someone isn't able to obtain the "guaranteed" output power that Robitaille claims? Do they get their money back? Can the Robitailles be sued? I ask this since _nobody_ has reported anything near that from any QEG build to date -- much less "self-running".



 :P

The only thing self-running is this scam.

TK you should do a kickstarter for your ss MicroQeg.  All you have to do is claim it is more efficient than the Qeg and maybe some of those hapless dupe donors will send some money your way?  You can prove it is more efficient so...they will actually be getting something that does what it is supposed to do.  Heck, I would buy one.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 04, 2015, 04:56:26 AM
They (meaning James Robitaille, Engineering Artiste Extraordinaire) still speak of output in terms of "Watts RMS". There is no mention of the "400 Hz" which was supposed to be the operating frequency.


"Total Output Power" of course must include Reactive Power, measured as pretty colored lines on an oscilloscope, since they can't really drive any real loads at a power greater than the input power to the motor.

Too bad they can't even come close to the "total output power" ratio of my totally solid-state MicroQEG.

Which, by the way, I am NOT afraid to demonstrate, since it performs exactly as I have claimed that it does.


By the way, what happens if someone isn't able to obtain the "guaranteed" output power that Robitaille claims? Do they get their money back? Can the Robitailles be sued? I ask this since _nobody_ has reported anything near that from any QEG build to date -- much less "self-running".



 :P


i don't know but that is a very good question that lots of people especially those who were scammed by them would like to know.
there is online experts that answer such questions at a bunch of those ask an expert based websites but they usually want 5 bux or something, might get a 1st question free on some of them.
heck they might want to answer it for free once they realize what its about.

if the legal experts answering that question only knew about the poor and disenchanted that hopegirl and probably aaron too decided to use in the qeg crowfunding campaign when they showed such a image of sheer desparation that the poor locals were experiencing at the time, such as those images like that very elderly poor lady, the suffering children pictures they used too, while going hog wild with the crowdfunding in the background.
research on aaron brings up him saying this: "The borders of existence are defined by the limitations of the imagination behind them." - Meileiac
"I am a Editor/Admin of many pages. So if you wonder why all the tags. This is the reason. Namaste all"

if you move a mouse over his images in his facebook photos you find little pop ups that could be clues to something more, though thats yet to be determined.
perhaps a few people should join their swissindo and possibly over time learn of what is going on behind all those 'many' scenes running in the background. aaron likes alistar crowley judging by twitter.

too bad that water well the qeg promised to fix never got fixed, yet, but somebody DID get over 200 thousand us dollars in the process didn't they?

that part makes it just pathetic and very disgusting that those such as that old lady make such a lucrative backdrop.

right now i'm somehow not throwing up yet while watching and listening to the deception in this one hopegirl and friends uploaded for their subset distraction swissindo, from their long running qeg scam, and of course the comments are disabled for the 30minute cheerful discussion, how honest is that when operating as a crowdfunding income phisher that aims to appear in these videos as completely trustworthy?

MEET THE DELEGATES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xojA40ETEsk&feature=youtu.be
as uploaded by india merkson.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 04, 2015, 09:32:04 PM
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darn it, i can't afford to buy this much useful information until my tax return cheque comes in on the 11th of this month.

just have to wait until their next store sale over at hopegirls wonderful project website where if its possible to buy their more advanced
training program for the qeg than the one listed above.

or one can always just go over to witts storefront at any time and buy this one that they are helping to share with all the good people everywhere aiming to clean up the planet, but its going to cost you moore money.

http://www.witts.ws/40kw-self-running-generator-qeg-help/

QEG Secrets
on April 1st, 2014 at 2:30 pm
Deluxe 40kw Generator Class (QEG Secrets Class)



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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 04, 2015, 11:03:33 PM
*** Disclaimer: for entertainment and educational purposes only about how to avoid a scam***



QEG Building Basics Webinar Package

QEG Complete Builder's Webinar Package

QEG Building Basics Webinar Package

This package has a value of $1280 USD. Yours for only $399 until Saturday, August 8th at midnight EST

        INCLUDES:


    10 Week Course with over 15 hours of video and hundreds of pages of supporting documents
    QEG ebook (over 250 pages)
    4th Edition Build Manual with all instructions needed to get the QEG to overunity in one place
    62 Tesla patents for your research & study
    7 quantum energy articles (over 250 pages) for your research & study
    15% discount on 1 Skype consultation with James Robitaille
    2 hr. weekly question & answer webinar for 4 weeks (8 hrs. total)




darn it, i can't afford to buy this much useful information until my tax return cheque comes in on the 11th of this month.

just have to wait until their next store sale over at hopegirls wonderful project website where if its possible to buy their more advanced
training program for the qeg than the one listed above.

or one can always just go over to witts storefront at any time and buy this one that they are helping to share with all the good people everywhere aiming to clean up the planet, but its going to cost you moore money.

http://www.witts.ws/40kw-self-running-generator-qeg-help/

QEG Secrets
on April 1st, 2014 at 2:30 pm
Deluxe 40kw Generator Class (QEG Secrets Class)



#40KWGENCLASSWITHNOTES – Deluxe 40KW Generator Class – ONE HOUR CONSULTATION / SKYPE CLASS (Per Person) (WITH NOTES PROVIDED BY US)
   
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and talk to the real pros, not any of you non believers.
Interested parties should be asking the Robitailles the same questions that they should be asking people like Rick Friedrich:
1) Will I see an actual working over unity device?
2) Do the plans detail how to build an actual working over unity device?
3) How many people have used the plans to build an actual working over unity device?
4) May I see your electric bill for the past six months?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 05, 2015, 07:52:59 AM
This blah blah blah is getting retiring, lets get down to the point black bullet in your head.

How much did it cost to build the hoover damn?

How much profit has it made ever since?

Does the damn make more money than it is spent on maintaining it? YAWNN!!!!b But lets hear what these “smart” people mathematicians need to say about that.

They can EASILY bully people like the QEG, lets hear the same people complain after they find out that the generators are only there to take their money...I WANT TO SEE THESE PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN TO THE QEG COMPLAIN TO THE BIG BOYS with the same "balls"!

Sadly, I’m pretty sure they only have balls to complain to the low fruit lol. This has been documented by psychologist for decades...nothing new...which means it's their only reality and nothing better for the greater good. I.E. lets say that the QEG is “eliminated” is not like this QEG is the last one NOR they helped humanity in ANY way by going against it! LOL

HMMM let me look in to my crystal ball, after everyone goes against the QEG there will be truth? Lol And those that went after the QEG need a gold medal! Lol…

OK do they deserve a medal, they are here as gate keepers to try to define what is a QEG and what is not? OK, AGREED! But who are “judging” them and told them that they are qualified enough to be judges of what is a QEG and WHAT IS NOT? Lol

hehehehehe.

Are they just making themselves judges of OU devices by themselves (there is no regulation if you believe you have 1000000 power of over-unity 9 senses in the brain to prove the real senses)? Well ain't that a bytch! lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 05, 2015, 08:13:30 AM
This blah blah blah is getting retiring, lets get down to the point black bullet in your head.

How much did it cost to build the hoover damn?

How much profit has it made ever since?

Does the damn make more money than it is spent on maintaining it? YAWNN!!!!b But lets hear what these “smart” people mathematicians need to say about that.
LOL, the Hoover Dam has performed reliably against its design since it first went into service.  Between the water supply and the electricity generated, the Hoover Dam and the lesser dams down stream such as the Parker Dam have generated huge wealth in California, Arizona, and Nevada.  The false promise of the QEG has generated travel funds for the Robitailles.
Quote

They can EASILY bully people like the QEG, lets hear the same people complain after they find out that the generators are only there to take their money...I WANT TO SEE THESE PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN TO THE QEG COMPLAIN TO THE BIG BOYS with the same "balls"!
Has the QEG become a person now????
Quote

Sadly, I’m pretty sure they only have balls to complain to the low fruit lol. This has been documented by psychologist for decades...nothing new...which means it's their only reality and nothing better for the greater good. I.E. lets say that the QEG is “eliminated” is not like this QEG is the last one NOR they helped humanity in ANY way by going against it! LOL
The backlash against the Robitailles' lies seems to be that they are having a lot more difficulty cheating people than two years ago.
Quote

HMMM let me look in to my crystal ball, after everyone goes against the QEG there will be truth? Lol And those that went after the QEG need a gold medal! Lol…

OK do they deserve a medal, they are here as gate keepers to try to define what is a QEG and what is not? OK, AGREED! But who are “judging” them and told them that they are qualified enough to be judges of what is a QEG and WHAT IS NOT? Lol

hehehehehe.

Are they just making themselves judges of OU devices by themselves? Well ain't that a bytch! lol
Well, while you are having such a great time laughing, some folks are out about $200,000. for the lies told by the Robitailles.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 05, 2015, 08:38:53 AM
Well, while you are having such a great time laughing, some folks are out about $200,000. for the lies told by the Robitailles.

ya, and that nice elderly lady from morrocco you see in the qeg advertisements for donations in their videos, especially the video that they showed with her in it way back when the travelling circus (qeg management) showed up there at first, does anyone care about her?
well yes. some people do. and it would be really great if the crowdfunding websites the qeg management accesses for their profitable funding, were to suddenly seize the holdings still within their crowdfunding website, then whatever remaining funds that can be properly spent on some new well pump materials from a reputable supplier, plus a few solar solar panels as someone else who cares suggested, could be powering the system, at least until nighttime, or until tesla motors the cool car maker makes their new battery storage system thats being developed, and that nice trusting little poor old lady shown in the videos reaching out, would not end up feeling 'hope'less and let down, and her and her grandkids even would have themselves a step up in the quality of living there!

i'm sure others think that might be something worth moving forward with too, including the cool at large.

'lets get down to the point black bullet in your head.'

who's side are you on, the violent one?

'I WANT TO SEE THESE PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN TO THE QEG COMPLAIN TO THE BIG BOYS with the same "balls"!'

that is a really good idea! you should do that!

all the best
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 06, 2015, 03:48:30 AM
This blah blah blah is getting retiring, lets get down to the point black bullet in your head.

How much did it cost to build the hoover damn?

How much profit has it made ever since?

Does the damn make more money than it is spent on maintaining it? YAWNN!!!!b But lets hear what these “smart” people mathematicians need to say about that.

They can EASILY bully people like the QEG, lets hear the same people complain after they find out that the generators are only there to take their money...I WANT TO SEE THESE PEOPLE THAT COMPLAIN TO THE QEG COMPLAIN TO THE BIG BOYS with the same "balls"!

Sadly, I’m pretty sure they only have balls to complain to the low fruit lol. This has been documented by psychologist for decades...nothing new...which means it's their only reality and nothing better for the greater good. I.E. lets say that the QEG is “eliminated” is not like this QEG is the last one NOR they helped humanity in ANY way by going against it! LOL

HMMM let me look in to my crystal ball, after everyone goes against the QEG there will be truth? Lol And those that went after the QEG need a gold medal! Lol…

OK do they deserve a medal, they are here as gate keepers to try to define what is a QEG and what is not? OK, AGREED! But who are “judging” them and told them that they are qualified enough to be judges of what is a QEG and WHAT IS NOT? Lol

hehehehehe.

Are they just making themselves judges of OU devices by themselves (there is no regulation if you believe you have 1000000 power of over-unity 9 senses in the brain to prove the real senses)? Well ain't that a bytch! lol

quote below taken from another one of 'hope moore's' websites one can run into when googling to learn about scammers:
'I posted your QEG on my website / facebook / youtube and got a nasty comment.

Because of the opensourced ,and therefore NON controllable nature of the QEG project, the QEG is (and has always been) a PRIME target for negative trolling activity. We have done our best to supply as much information as we can about the negative aspects of the internet world when it comes to trolling activity and no one has received more nasty comments about the QEG than our family has. This is why we monitor all of our sites to keep them clean. We can almost guarantee that you will get some sort of a nasty comment from someone somewhere if you post information about the QEG.   If this is something that you do not want to deal with, or ignore or monitor, then we suggest that you do not promote the QEG to your audiences.  This is a dirty industry filled with brave pioneers. It’s not for everyone, and that’s ok. Eventually the rest of the world will catch up.'

'negative trolling activity'

hmm..
is that anything like when someone says:
'This blah blah blah is getting retiring, lets get down to the point black bullet in your head.'???

it seems the person talking about bullets and peoples heads being shot at because they want to 'retire' open discussion about the qeg scammers,
seems to be relying on exactly what hopegirl's lastest discovered blog page that she updated 2 days ago (that also accepts donations),
makes mention of as something to be alerted to, in these modern days of being a grifter on the run who plays scams.
on the run from who?

and why isn't she defending herself in a more openly shared environment where interested parties can freely ask questions related to the qeg and how exactly each penny was spent from the 200,000.00 us dollars that is still growing because of her not so open and honest tactics.

ask her that aaron.

all the best






All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. - Arthur Schopenhauer
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 06, 2015, 05:35:07 AM
Remember _last summer_ when the UK group was "Hours away from self-running"? How many hours are there in _almost 18 months_ I wonder?

Now just take a look at the Be-Do forum. People are bewildered.....
 
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/682-how-to-get-the-qeg-to-overunity#3121 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/682-how-to-get-the-qeg-to-overunity#3121)
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/294-hi-from-uk?limitstart=0 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/294-hi-from-uk?limitstart=0)
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/681-breaking-news-qeg-phase-3-complete?start=6 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/qeg-news/681-breaking-news-qeg-phase-3-complete?start=6)

This would be hilarious if it weren't so pitiful....
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/692-hi-from-lkcl-submitted-a-slashdot-article#3125 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/welcome-mat/692-hi-from-lkcl-submitted-a-slashdot-article#3125)

Note the continuation of the outright lies in the Slashdot posting:
http://slashdot.org/submission/4709629/open-hardware-team-successfully-replicating-tesla-inventions (http://slashdot.org/submission/4709629/open-hardware-team-successfully-replicating-tesla-inventions)

Yep, same old Bee Ess over at Be Do.  When you read their post, and I advise spending better time counting cars on the freeway, you cannot help but think there exist a special gene for people like them.  I do not mean the lack of biological development type of impairment.  I mean the addition of something far out side the norm :)  Also, Shean is a complete shill.  I wonder which of the FTW family member his is.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 06, 2015, 05:37:03 AM
Yep, same old Bee Ess over at Be Do.  When you read their post, and I advise spending better time counting cars on the freeway, you cannot help but think there exist a special gene for people like them.

And, hopefully (no pun intended) a few jail cells.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 06, 2015, 05:40:51 AM
oh, so no being able to finish the well intentioned project because it will not be demonstrated by the creators that are such great and nice people, pure as the falling snow as is commonly believed.
darn it, now i can't build my exact copy of their open sourced project. you guys ruined it, and that has made our leaders walk away.

the cities will just have to remain polluted because of our project leaders most recent decision to just not help bring this great project of theirs as is promoted by them to completion, even though they are still so great and nice helpful people once you get to know them for who they truely are, as pure as the falling snow. you do know they were so close, something about VARS just needed to be adjusted, and then it was time to get the factories busy making sure everyone could have one too. only a few days moore it looked like.
maybe i can see if torelco will be willing to let me return their practically new condition coil to them because i can't figure the darn thing out, that way i can put the money back in my kids college funds. they both want to be neurologists, who would've thought. just so proud of them.

still years later, i'm not discouraged even a little, you just have to keep saving up hope for a as promised better world by our great and unselfishly committed leaders over at witts and the qeg!  it really is a for sure thing if the qeg scientific inventors who designed it to work exactly the same way like over at witts, simply  just refused giving up on all hope earning the nobel prize which is rightfully theirs.

after all, they have so many other wonderful helpful projects going right now, way more than witts ever did, though if they can't get it tuned, thats ok because its most likely witts anyways, theirs work already.
stop being so negative and just go along with it if you can't say anything nice at all!
they are honest and worthy of such because its true, and because they have good karma.
they wont be the ones going to hell and you know it! you just need to repent a little.
if they just kept holding hope a little higher and kept tuning it its just got to work.
they said this is why too, and that at one time in the past they mentioned the fact that they were able to be successful with it.

ah well, such is life..

i'll just buy one that seems easier, ya instead of trying to make one, probably in about 3 or 4 months from now if not sooner.

No its not your fault.  All my fault for thinking bad thoughts and "questioning".  Send me away to the qeg corn field.  Its a wonderful qeg life.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 06, 2015, 05:47:47 AM
The only thing self-running is this scam.
....
Bill

I can honestly say that is the best comment on this entire boondoggle since its inception!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 06, 2015, 06:10:19 AM
I can honestly say that is the best comment on this entire boondoggle since its inception!

Thank you for the compliment.  I appreciate that.

I actually thought my "Energy From The shopVacuum" was a bit better but...I am hardly ever as funny as I think I am.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 07, 2015, 06:15:14 AM
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LOL, the Hoover Dam has performed reliably against its design since it first went into service.  Between the water supply and the electricity generated, the Hoover Dam and the lesser dams down stream such as the Parker Dam have generated huge wealth in California, Arizona, and Nevada.  The false promise of the QEG has generated travel funds for the Robitailles.

Do you see the difference or similarities? “the robitailles” are trying to help the people BREAK FREEE from the corruption of the hoover dam as much as you are. You have to see the generators as simple things as a $100 dollar generator with magnetic coils and bearings right?

Which is pretty simple to be honest, instead of the “lower class” trying to fight “big brother” they just need to buy the hoover dam? Is the hoover dam for sale? Lol (I’m pretty sure it is not 'cause it is a cash cow).

The greeeeed is all over the place that i'm sure you see it. CEO makes 1000 times more than the person below him. College books went 100% higher in price. Medical bills charge $20 dollars for a paper cup….bro, really? You don't see corruption all over the place? Now you are ganging up on these poor people to protect people from their money? I have a feeling that you don't get out much or don't read the news!

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Has the QEG become a person now?

Ok lets say that the QEG is 100% wrong. Are you going against them cause you got lied to or because you are trying to help other people from not spending their HARD EARNED money?

The hoover dam is a cop>+, look at all the lights that you can see from a satellite all coming from dam generators. Since it is a cop>+, there is no way in hell it will get sold...lol = freee money in their pocket for their rest of their life. Who in their right mind is going to say that it is easy to maintain a hoover dam…? Only the intelligent people can understand the cop>+ of the situation. Like I said, get out more and learn about how the world works. The QEG are just simple poor people trying to help poor people. How hard is that to understand? A CEO just made millions in one day taking advantage of the people while the Robitaille are still poor, c'mon man!

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The backlash against the Robitailles' lies seems to be that they are having a lot more difficulty cheating people than two years ago.

Why don't you start reading the news? You are sooo focused on these poor people trying to help that you ignore real life, from different angles, real life scenarios of TRUE corruption!

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Well, while you are having such a great time laughing, some folks are out about $200,000. for the lies told by the Robitailles.

REALLY! If the Robitailles disappear tomorrow, corruption will go away 100%? You don't even understand what corruption is based on that! Get out more and read the needs and maybe take some psychology classes to be able to understand further what corruption really is. LOL, you believe this is corruption! You need to watch videos where people get their heads cut off with chain saws or get stabbed to death by 20 people all together. Or a person getting mentally and physically abused for 20 years! Get out of your little bubble and look at reality corruption around you smart sir. ::)

Let me ask you what started WWII?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 07, 2015, 06:36:32 AM
SoManyWires, actually you have a lot of wires in your for your own good. Let me guess, you are over 50 years old at least. Close to being scared to die that you need something to distract you from your faith?

How old are you SoManyWires? You see, most people that are old only try to distract themselves from the years catching up to them = selfish = not really focusing on the good of the greater people but only upon themselves! :P

To be honest, there is nothing really hard to psychoanalyze you. It's like you trying to watch squirrels eat nuts cause you have nothing better to do. Then you are like, “i don't like how such and such squirrel eats nuts, but I do like how the other eats them” lol I'm guessing you are old!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 07, 2015, 06:52:37 AM


The greeeeed is all over the place that i'm sure you see it. CEO makes 1000 times more than the person below him. College books went 100% higher in price. Medical bills charge $20 dollars for a paper cup….bro, really? 



Yet JB Weld is still available at the same, low price.

You too can fix it with JB Weld.

Thanks JB Weld.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 07, 2015, 06:54:08 AM
Do you see the difference or similarities? “the robitailles” are trying to help the people BREAK FREEE from the corruption of the hoover dam as much as you are. You have to see the generators as simple things as a $100 dollar generator with magnetic coils and bearings right?
The Robitailles have helped themselves to the contents of other people's wallets by telling lies.  They are just a family of con artists. 

The Hoover Dam and the supporting dams have generated tremendous benefit and wealth for the populations of: California, Nevada, and Arizona.  The stable water supply has made possible more plentiful and cheaper produce enjoyed by the entire nation.  The hydropower generated has meant that many fewer dirty coal fired plants, most of which are operated by investor owned utilities.
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Which is pretty simple to be honest, instead of the “lower class” trying to fight “big brother” they just need to buy the hoover dam? Is the hoover dam for sale? Lol (I’m pretty sure it is not 'cause it is a cash cow).
The Hoover Dam is owned and operated by the US government, not private investors.
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The greeeeed is all over the place that i'm sure you see it. CEO makes 1000 times more than the person below him. College books went 100% higher in price. Medical bills charge $20 dollars for a paper cup….bro, really? You don't see corruption all over the place? Now you are ganging up on these poor people to protect people from their money? I have a feeling that you don't get out much or don't read the news!
You are all over the map here.  What the Robitailles have in common with all these things you complain about is they want a free ride too.  They don't even have a paper cup to offer.
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Ok lets say that the QEG is 100% wrong. Are you going against them cause you got lied to or because you are trying to help other people from not spending their HARD EARNED money?
The QEG is a 100% lie.  The Robitailles borrowed the lie from the liar Thrapp.  Now they comically claim that they've made the QEG work, but have come up with really stupid excuses for not showing proof:  Bad cell phone camera, men in black ...  Why do you defend the Robitailles' blatant fraud?
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The hoover dam is a cop>+, look at all the lights that you can see from a satellite all coming from dam generators. Since it is a cop>+, there is no way in hell it will get sold...lol = freee money in their pocket for their rest of their life. Who in their right mind is going to say that it is easy to maintain a hoover dam…? Only the intelligent people can understand the cop>+ of the situation. Like I said, get out more and learn about how the world works. The QEG are just simple poor people trying to help poor people.
The QEG is a pile of manure foisted on gullible people by a family of con artists.
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How hard is that to understand?
Why is it that you don't understand that the Robitailles are defrauding people?
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A CEO just made millions in one day taking advantage of the people while the Robitaille are still poor, c'mon man!
How many wrongs make a right?  Do you shoplift or dine and dash using exorbitant CEO compensation as a rationalization?
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Why don't you start reading the news? You are sooo focused on these poor people trying to help that you ignore real life, from different angles, real life scenarios of TRUE corruption!
The Robitailles have demonstrated that they are only trying to help themselves.  Why does it upset you so that anyone calls them out on their fraud?
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REALLY! If the Robitailles disappear tomorrow, corruption will go away 100%?
LOL: "Your honor if you send my client to prison will that end crime?  Of course not.  So, don't send my client to prison!"
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You don't even understand what corruption is based on that! Get out more and read the needs and maybe take some psychology classes to be able to understand further what corruption really is. LOL, you believe this is corruption! You need to watch videos where people get their heads cut off with chain saws or get stabbed to death by 20 people all together. Or a person getting mentally and physically abused for 20 years! Get out of your little bubble and look at reality corruption around you smart sir. ::)

Let me ask you what started WWII?
The House of Windsor when they were better known as the Hapsburgs in 1914.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 07, 2015, 07:29:30 AM
SoManyWires, actually you have a lot of wires in your for your own good. Let me guess, you are over 50 years old at least. Close to being scared to die that you need something to distract you from your faith?

How old are you SoManyWires? You see, most people that are old only try to distract themselves from the years catching up to them = selfish = not really focusing on the good of the greater people but only upon themselves! :P

To be honest, there is nothing really hard to psychoanalyze you. It's like you trying to watch squirrels eat nuts cause you have nothing better to do. Then you are like, “i don't like how such and such squirrel eats nuts, but I do like how the other eats them” lol I'm guessing you are old!

i'm guessing, you are an idiot.

a selfish egotistical kid, who cares less. why are you here trolling and supporting the likes of scammers?
nevermind, you already answered that one.

the property values depreciate fast around you, you like to start fires you cannot put out. much growing up to do.
suspect, your journey will be a rough one.

if you keep supporting scammers and act like an idiot, well, you see how that works out for you. talking to you at this point is best left to your parents, perhaps on visiting day.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 07, 2015, 08:24:15 AM
what a bunch of mentally deluded flakes that the qeg management has evolved into.
and its new cult of odd beliefs, marketing from their govt apartments. calling themselves as if something related to the UN. or as they like it:
un swissindo, following some clown scammer named mr sino.
perhaps this is the part of the internet, most people are almost better off stepping carefully around. as to avoid becoming forced into a lesson in the reasonings why pharmacologists live such profitable lives, for humbling reasons.




Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 07, 2015, 11:56:41 PM
ok this is quoted from mr sino, the freak of nature the qeg team follows exclusively now, after first following their previous leaders, the nitWITT's from witt's.

'for indonesia, i support MP#EI proposed by the government of indonesia, and i have received the report from IMF in 2011.
how will we find solutions for all countries, when global accounts are becoming the seizure of all parties, when global accounts cause disputes?
on may 5th 2014, when i faxed it to the IRS internal revenue service in america) that was actually a world momentum, which was administratively controlled and to be controlled US Tax to IRS that was through a proposal that i received from europe, and i agreed that 1% of 1-11 payment was taxed for treasure.
so, the certificate worth 1 million trillion US $ have been divided into 1,000 certificates each worth 1,000 trillion US $. for the first payment, i have given it to Laos presidential office or Lao PDR based on IRS format bank order as regard to tax imposed to the first payment, 10 trillion US $ is for USA, and 1,000 trillion US $ of the first payment for other countries.
the schedule is followed and will be followed by M1 schedule as one portion and agreement ever reached by the predecessors,
and i did this when i received the last report through certification ASBLP meaning that the accountability of The International Committee Of 300, The International Organic Agency United Nation Organization in 2010.
since then, based on international law, i became responsible for all problems. through the information, i conveyed to the related institutions, essentially and rightly, in the code of ethics, what i have delivered should not be ignored.'

there should be a checkbox on the back of drivers licenses for anyone willing to donate their organs, in advance.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 08, 2015, 01:03:13 AM
Now you are beginning to understand why the Robitaille clan "lost" their property in Pennsylvania, and why they have relocated to Morocco, where they live alongside Heather Tucci-Jarraf and the remnants of the OPPT (One People's Public Trust).


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread925507/pg1
http://www.lisamharrison.com/2014/12/01/to-the-end-and-back-it-is-done-part-4/
http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/One_People%27s_Public_Trust
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on August 08, 2015, 01:32:52 AM
TK: Truth is stranger than fiction.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 08, 2015, 06:48:47 AM
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The Robitailles borrowed the lie from the liar Thrapp.  Now they comically claim that they've made the QEG work, but have come up with really stupid excuses for not showing proof:  Bad cell phone camera, men in black ...  Why do you defend the Robitailles' blatant fraud?

Yes I remember about Thrapp and watching his videos and I actually did not like the guys attitude nor the way he expressed himself in the videos. But you also have to have at least a the basics of how social people work. You need to understand that in order to understand what is really happening here. If you cannot understand how social people work, then you will never be able to see the truth about the whole situation but just judge it based on your bias views.

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The QEG is a pile of manure foisted on gullible people by a family of con artists.

Ok let me ask you this, why are you on a OU forum? If you know 100% with out a doubt there is no OU device, then stop looking and move on.

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Why is it that you don't understand that the Robitailles are defrauding people?

Maybe you are discouraging greater minds to find the “key” to the OU solution. We are are still learning and have yet to figure out “dark energy” “dark mater” and other things we are yet to understand. The simple fact that the galaxy is a self-sustain system actually means it is being sustained for billions of years by FREEE energy, right? Now based on that fact, the mother earth is a “self sustained Eco-system” right? Now based on that we can understand that “the big bang” exploded from this → . and all matter in the galaxy came from this → . right? So we can understand all of that so now lets look what it's in front of our eyes and compare it to the outcome of what will happen 10 years from now or 5 years from now?

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How many wrongs make a right?  Do you shoplift or dine and dash using exorbitant CEO compensation as a rationalization?

My point is/was that “corruption corrupts absolutely” and since you cannot do anything about it your only vie about CEOs (or any higher power than yours) is nothing because your bias views does not other you as much as someone here in a forum talking about OU but in fact the CEO is taking more of your tax dollars than any poor guy here trying to make an OU device to try to “escape” the corruption. Tell me what CEO is interested in an OU device? They are not because they already have one lol.

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The Robitailles have demonstrated that they are only trying to help themselves.  Why does it upset you so that anyone calls them out on their fraud?

It bothers me because I don't see them as bullies nor bothering anyone at all. They are making a movement that no people have the courage to make. How do you propose to change the world? Unless you believe that this world is 100% just and fair among all? You are telling me that all of this evidence regarding powering a vehicle with water is just hog wash? How do you explain that cigarettes cause cancer and kill millions yet it is very legal to sell poison?

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"Your honor if you send my client to prison will that end crime?  Of course not.  So, don't send my client to prison!"

All I’m saying is that 5-10 years from now you will be complaining about other people and things will not change while around you, other people in their own bubbles have made more advance discoveries than you have behind your chair thinking that you know that something does not exist. We are sort of living in a virtual reality because we are taught since kids to only believe what we are told. For decades I thought that only current/amps killed me but just the other day I found out that 250 amps could pass through my body and I would not die not even make my eye twitch.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 08, 2015, 07:05:20 AM
Yes I remember about Thrapp and watching his videos and I actually did not like the guys attitude nor the way he expressed himself in the videos. But you also have to have at least a the basics of how social people work. You need to understand that in order to understand what is really happening here. If you cannot understand how social people work, then you will never be able to see the truth about the whole situation but just judge it based on your bias views.

Ok let me ask you this, why are you on a OU forum? If you know 100% with out a doubt there is no OU device, then stop looking and move on.

Maybe you are discouraging greater minds to find the “key” to the OU solution. We are are still learning and have yet to figure out “dark energy” “dark mater” and other things we are yet to understand. The simple fact that the galaxy is a self-sustain system actually means it is being sustained for billions of years by FREEE energy, right? Now based on that fact, the mother earth is a “self sustained Eco-system” right? Now based on that we can understand that “the big bang” exploded from this → . and all matter in the galaxy came from this → . right? So we can understand all of that so now lets look what it's in front of our eyes and compare it to the outcome of what will happen 10 years from now or 5 years from now?

My point is/was that “corruption corrupts absolutely” and since you cannot do anything about it your only vie about CEOs (or any higher power than yours) is nothing because your bias views does not other you as much as someone here in a forum talking about OU but in fact the CEO is taking more of your tax dollars than any poor guy here trying to make an OU device to try to “escape” the corruption. Tell me what CEO is interested in an OU device? They are not because they already have one lol.

It bothers me because I don't see them as bullies nor bothering anyone at all. They are making a movement that no people have the courage to make. How do you propose to change the world? Unless you believe that this world is 100% just and fair among all? You are telling me that all of this evidence regarding powering a vehicle with water is just hog wash? How do you explain that cigarettes cause cancer and kill millions yet it is very legal to sell poison?

All I’m saying is that 5-10 years from now you will be complaining about other people and things will not change while around you, other people in their own bubbles have made more advance discoveries than you have behind your chair thinking that you know that something does not exist. We are sort of living in a virtual reality because we are taught since kids to only believe what we are told. For decades I thought that only current/amps killed me but just the other day I found out that 250 amps could pass through my body and I would not die not even make my eye twitch.
You are making excuses for frauds.  Frauds do not advance society.  They are parasites.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 08, 2015, 07:09:11 AM
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a selfish egotistical kid, who cares less.

I'm sure I care more than you do sir. I have helped many stranded people in the roads. I have given $300 dollars cash to homeless people multiple times. I have taken people to their house after seeing them crying in the streets that they could not get home. During winter, a corner store owner went out to smoke a cigarette and he locked himself out around 11:30PM he was shivering and asked me if I could help him break in his robber proof doors. Which I did and the cops even showed up thinking I was breaking in the store. I see a car leaking gasoline, I leave a note on the car. No sir, i'm far from care less, my problem is that I care for those who are treated unjustly. You are a newbie here just speaking from a fresh point of view with out looking at the whole history of the whole situation. Yes the QEG started from witts whom did not share the whole plans with the robitialles, they just decided that they where going to recreate the machine for everyone as a gift for the poor mostly...bill gates does not need one. You don't need one cause you have money and social security.

But you are wrong is you believe that I don't care. At one of my jobs I reported sexual harassment by a boss which I got fired for but I stood up for it. Which the rest of the people would not even say a peep while witnessing it in the face. The ladies thanked me for it but I lost my job and I was glad cause I was going to quit anyway cause that sort of environment is unhealthy for the mind of those whom are not corrupted and suppressed.

I could easily go against the robitialles, but based on their start, there's is no evidence to me that their whole intention from the beginning was to take the money from the people, in fact, they are victims themselves. But you should know based on your understanding of the whole situation and your expertise right?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 08, 2015, 07:26:24 AM
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You are making excuses for frauds.  Frauds do not advance society.  They are parasites.

First of all, I have a feeling you do not even bothered to understand anything I write and your whole focus is to point fingers.

How in the world did you not even question me for this lol

“For decades I thought that only current/amps killed me but just the other day I found out that 250 amps could pass through my body and I would not die not even make my eye twitch.”

Which is true. Where you not taught since little that amps is what kills you?

But, Oh!, you want to talk about frauds? Lets! Name all the frauds in the world so we can take care of them. Ok lets deal with the robitailles..DONE! Who's next after them? Because your goal is to make this world just right? I would not mind to join your super powers of getting rid of fraudulent people. So who's next? I'm with you MarkE. :P
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 08, 2015, 08:09:36 AM
why does the admin put up with trolling? strange supporters of scams, including ones who aimlessly babble without even trying to make sense when they do it, plus mix in the usual garbage insults time after time, that just suggests that trolling ends up to be expected and allowed, and the quality of conversations lead many to find a more mature structure of running things somewhere else. though i just realized, there might already be a block feature i should just consider using, seems too bad thats the answer.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 08, 2015, 08:19:59 AM
While I think the simplest thing to do is just read past posts that are of no interest, for those who just can't stand the sight of a posts from a particular person:

profile => summary => modify profile => buddies / ignore list

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 08, 2015, 08:26:22 AM
First of all, I have a feeling you do not even bothered to understand anything I write and your whole focus is to point fingers.
The Robitailles have established themselves as frauds.  You keep making up excuses for them and pitching the idea that they are actually developing some technology that they are in no way doing.  Why you choose to do that is anyone's guess.
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How in the world did you not even question me for this lol

“For decades I thought that only current/amps killed me but just the other day I found out that 250 amps could pass through my body and I would not die not even make my eye twitch.”

Which is true. Where you not taught since little that amps is what kills you?
Loaded questions can be so much fun.  It all depends on what path the current takes.  Even modest currents across the ventricles can induce cardiac arrest.  You could always take up your doubts with safety organizations such as UL who set standards for things like leakage currents in patient connected equipment.
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But, Oh!, you want to talk about frauds? Lets! Name all the frauds in the world so we can take care of them. Ok lets deal with the robitailles..DONE! Who's next after them? Because your goal is to make this world just right? I would not mind to join your super powers of getting rid of fraudulent people. So who's next? I'm with you MarkE. :P
Then start by terminating your support for the established frauds: the Robitailles.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 08, 2015, 08:59:11 AM
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The Robitailles have established themselves as frauds.

How so, and you forget, what qualifies you to make such judgment? I have myself experience bullying from people based on the social phenomena where they all tag-team and go blindly against someone sort of as groupies throwing their underwear and bras at a concert to boy bands.

This is why you need to understand how social animals work. You will always have those people where there is a suicidal person trying to jump from a three story building to jump…after 4 hours, you will have all of the audience saying to the person to jump! This has been tested and confirmed. But the logic behind it, they don't understand but it happens to all humans when they cannot understand the situation, they just get frustrated and say fuck it and throw in the towel. = let them die cause they pissed you off. right?

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Loaded questions can be so much fun.  It all depends on what path the current takes.  Even modest currents across the ventricles can induce cardiac arrest.  You could always take up your doubts with safety organizations such as UL who set standards for things like leakage currents in patient connected equipment.

I am telling you that I can pass 250 amps in my body and I will not die the same applies if I can pass thousands of volts in my body and I will not die. In fact, we are electric human beings, our thoughts are electrical pulses in the brain that there is current too.

Basically, I did not learn this from you but from someone else MarkE. :P What tpe of intelligence regarding justice or the evolution of technology will I learn from you 3 years from now?

Where you not taught from school that the amps is what kills the body in electricity? (which is probably still taught today) so then how can a human being get 250amps through his/her body and not feel anything? I'm sure you know the facts?

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Then start by terminating your support for the established frauds: the Robitailles.

OK. DONE! Whose next? Obviously based on your logistic observations, you did not in the right mind believed that after going against them, there will be happily ever after right? SO I will go against them from now on and I feell proud that I helped millions of people from the suffering...ok who's next in the bringing to light the fraudulent acts? Lets go man! Or are we done with the frauds?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 08, 2015, 09:14:16 AM
How so, and you forget, what qualifies you to make such judgment? I have myself experience bullying from people based on the social phenomena where they all tag-team and go blindly against someone sort of as groupies throwing their underwear and bras at a concert to boy bands.
LOL  Start with their claims to working devices in 2013.  Carry on to their current false claims of working devices.  If you want to support frauds, that is your choice.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 08, 2015, 09:23:38 AM
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LOL  Start with their claims to working devices in 2013.  Carry on to their current false claims of working devices.  If you want to support frauds, that is your choice.

I just told you that I’m going to go against the robitailles fraudulent ways, now i'm asking you who is next to go agaist in the fraudulent ways? Since we are both trying to fight against fraudulence right? Lets forget about robitailles, they are done, trash in the garbage can...who's next to fight against fraudulence MarkE? Lets do it! I have my thoughts ready to debate! Tell me who is next for a better world? But I would also like to see the statistics of how the human population benefited once the robitailles are gone? Cause I'm sure you are writing things down on paper and comparing them based on science right! Yes? 8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 08, 2015, 09:42:15 AM
I just told you that I’m going to go against the robitailles fraudulent ways, now i'm asking you who is next to go agaist in the fraudulent ways? Since we are both trying to fight against fraudulence right? Lets forget about robitailles, they are done, trash in the garbage can...who's next to fight against fraudulence MarkE? Lets do it! I have my thoughts ready to debate! Tell me who is next for a better world? But I would also like to see the statistics of how the human population benefited once the robitailles are gone? Cause I'm sure you are writing things down on paper and comparing them based on science right! Yes? 8)
LOL you need statistics to convince you that it's a bad idea to support frauds as you have?  That's an interesting position to take.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 08, 2015, 10:03:44 AM
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LOL you need statistics to convince you that it's a bad idea to support frauds as you have?  That's an interesting position to take.

Hmmm everyone needs statistics to believe what they believe. You will be surprised that when you are proven wrong that your beliefs have been wrong all of this time, you will get angry and go against the new ideas of truth! Lol This is because you are closed minded. The open minded will not even get bothered by it but will just be like “wow dude, this is beautiful”. While the people that are closed minded will find new world things as insulting 'cause they will go against their “CONFORT ZONE”.

I already told you that that I will go agaist their frauds, now who else is next to go against their frauds? This si very simplistic to me because you feel sort of like you won a gold medal by going against these poor people and influence others to go against them too... but I keep on asking you, who is next after we go against them? No one?

I think I takeback  my ideology of thinking you where smart lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 08, 2015, 10:04:22 AM
I just told you that I’m going to go against the robitailles fraudulent ways, now i'm asking you who is next to go agaist in the fraudulent ways? Since we are both trying to fight against fraudulence right? Lets forget about robitailles, they are done, trash in the garbage can...who's next to fight against fraudulence MarkE? Lets do it! I have my thoughts ready to debate! Tell me who is next for a better world? But I would also like to see the statistics of how the human population benefited once the robitailles are gone? Cause I'm sure you are writing things down on paper and comparing them based on science right! Yes? 8)

Well, no one would be relieved of their hard earned dollars to the tune of over $200,000.  That is a good start.  People like to believe so, they are ripe for the fleecing.  The givers have good hearts and good intentions but, they do not realize that they are up against slick con artists.

What if that money was actually donated to a guy that really had something that could benefit the world?  What if, folks that got ripped off by HoplessGirl decided to never give to anyone again?  There are serious repercussions to scams like this Joel.  It gives everyone in this energy research field a bad name.  That is not good for anyone except the scammers.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on August 08, 2015, 10:10:32 AM
"How so, and you forget, what qualifies you to make such judgment? I have myself experience bullying from people based on the social phenomena where they all tag-team and go blindly against someone sort of as groupies throwing their underwear and bras at a concert to boy bands. '[/size]

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They have scammed people and lied for their own financial  benefit.  What is even more evil they mislead the good people of Morocco and used their poverty as a means of getting money. They never honored their promise there.  As far as the technology no judgement was needed it is just science and logic. When questioned and offers were made to come and test it in a polite way they went on the attack trying to trash the reputations of those who dared asked questions. They exhibit cult like behavior and prey on those less fortunate to have a reasonable education in physics.
History shows dozens of fraudulent free energy claims used to scam people.
Kind Regards
Mark

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 08, 2015, 10:21:40 AM
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Well, no one would be relieved of their hard earned dollars to the tune of over $200,000.  That is a good start.  People like to believe so, they are ripe for the fleecing.  The givers have good hearts and good intentions but, they do not realize that they are up against slick con artists.

What if that money was actually donated to a guy that really had something that could benefit the world?  What if, folks that got ripped off by HoplessGirl decided to never give to anyone again?  There are serious repercussions to scams like this Joel.  It gives everyone in this energy research field a bad name.  That is not good for anyone except the scammers.

Pirate88179, you actually have a good heart based on how you speak or express yourself, even though you eat Jbweld (nless you are a monkey that escaped from a laboratory).

You need to understand the ROOT of any “problem” in order to understand anything!

Can you fix your car engine?

Can you fix your house air conditioning unit?

Can you fix your house refrigerator?

Can you fix your LCD TV if it breaks down?

Can you maintain your body healthy to live to the ripe age of 100?

Can you understand why someone gets bullied?

Do you know what a CEO makes a year?

Have you ever held in your hands 30,000 USD cash?

Knowing most of the answers to these questions will most certainly put you above that the average groupie throwing the panties at concert people. And it will make you see BOTH 1)How easy it is to take advantage of people 2)How easy it is to understand #1

Pirate, please tell me how to fix an air conditioner to take you seriously?????? (with no jbweld)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 08, 2015, 10:30:05 AM
Pirate88179, you actually have a good heart based on how you speak or express yourself, even though you eat Jbweld.

You need to understand the ROOT of any “problem” in order to understand anything!

Can you fix your car engine?

Can you fix your house air conditioning unit?

Can you fix your house refrigerator?

Can you fix your LCD TV if it breaks down?

Can you maintain your body healthy to live to the ripe age of 100?

Can you understand why someone gets bullied?

Do you know what a CEO makes a year?

Have you ever held in your hands 30,000 USD cash?

Knowing most of the answers to these questions will most certainly put you above that the average groupie throwing the panties at concert people. And it will make you see BOTH 1)How easy it is to take advantage of people 2)How easy it is to understand #1

Pirate, please tell me how to fix an air conditioner to take you seriously? ??? ?? (with no jbweld)

It is impossible to fix an air conditioner without using JB Weld.  I know a guy that tried it once, and now, he is dead.  This is the only way you can do it.  This was a trick question right?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 08, 2015, 10:38:03 AM
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It is impossible to fix an air conditioner without using JB Weld.  I know a guy that tried it once, and now, he is dead.  This is the only way you can do it.  This was a trick question right?

Did MarkE laughed with you or at you?  ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 08, 2015, 10:44:48 AM
Did MarkE laughed with you or at you?  ;D

I don't know Joel....ask him.

Bill

PS  I thought it was funny.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 08, 2015, 11:21:20 AM
He told me he laughed with you :P pirate
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 08, 2015, 01:14:58 PM
He told me he laughed with you :P pirate
I wonder who "he" is.  Did you have an imaginary conversation with someone?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 11, 2015, 07:03:57 AM
I was trying to be a sport marke, I'm sure you did not laughed at him (did you?). :) You seem like you are focused on being right all of the time with out actually looking at the real content. I figured you would find his JBweld adventures entertaining?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 11, 2015, 07:15:37 AM
You know what, let me ask you this too marke, how do you fix an air conditioning unit?

Lets say that tomorrow you come home after playing a game of golf and your air conditioning in your house is not blowing cold air anymore, how will you go about fixing it? Comic guy pirate says with Jbweld, but you say what? What will be the process of elimination? I'm sure it will be no big deal since you feel like you understand real deep issues. So lets hear you speak about fixing/repairing a simple mechanical/electrical component as an air conditioning unit?  8)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 11, 2015, 09:06:36 AM
I was trying to be a sport marke, I'm sure you did not laughed at him (did you?). :) You seem like you are focused on being right all of the time with out actually looking at the real content. I figured you would find his JBweld adventures entertaining?
You and I never had any conversation regarding Pirate Bill's joke.  I don't know what motivated you to lie to Bill by saying that we did.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 11, 2015, 09:41:48 AM
You know what, let me ask you this too marke, how do you fix an air conditioning unit?

Lets say that tomorrow you come home after playing a game of golf and your air conditioning in your house is not blowing cold air anymore, how will you go about fixing it? Comic guy pirate says with Jbweld, but you say what? What will be the process of elimination? I'm sure it will be no big deal since you feel like you understand real deep issues. So lets hear you speak about fixing/repairing a simple mechanical/electrical component as an air conditioning unit?  8)
The appropriate method to repair something depends on:  What's broken, and what the circumstances are.  Improvised solutions are fine as long as they satisfy the priority requirements.  If JB Weld was good enough to fix a leaky fitting and the fix held long enough to get spare fittings or permanently, then the JB Weld did its job.  If the enamel insulation in the compressor motor fails, JB Weld isn't going to help. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on August 11, 2015, 10:16:48 AM
wow you can buy the howto on amazon as well. I thought it was free? http://www.amazon.com/QEG-Build-Manual-Anniversary-Edition-ebook/dp/B00XRHCLUK
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 11, 2015, 03:22:02 PM
wow you can buy the howto on amazon as well. I thought it was free? http://www.amazon.com/QEG-Build-Manual-Anniversary-Edition-ebook/dp/B00XRHCLUK (http://www.amazon.com/QEG-Build-Manual-Anniversary-Edition-ebook/dp/B00XRHCLUK)

I wonder if Amazon knows it does not work?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 11, 2015, 04:37:34 PM
I wonder if Amazon knows it does not work?

Bill
I doubt that they would care.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 11, 2015, 04:45:12 PM
I doubt that they would care.

it appears the fraud prevention dept at amazon works faster than at other qeg venues.
the link is no longer.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 11, 2015, 04:49:03 PM
wow you can buy the howto on amazon as well. I thought it was free? http://www.amazon.com/QEG-Build-Manual-Anniversary-Edition-ebook/dp/B00XRHCLUK
That link throws a 404 now.  Searches for QEG do not return anything from the Robitailles.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Jimboot on August 12, 2015, 02:13:19 AM
That link throws a 404 now.  Searches for QEG do not return anything from the Robitailles.
It's actually a 503 now.
  curl -I http://www.amazon.com/QEG-Build-Manual-Anniversary-Edition-ebook/dp/B00XRHCLUK
HTTP/1.1 503 Service Unavailable
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2015 00:09:28 GMT
Server: Server
Vary: Cookie,Accept-Encoding,User-Agent
Last-Modified: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 17:05:16 GMT


Still in the Google cache though. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:4SyztuuuGM8J:www.amazon.com/QEG-Build-Manual-Anniversary-Edition-ebook/dp/B00XRHCLUK



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 12, 2015, 04:11:55 AM
So, it appears that Amazon is on the ball.  I doubt that they did any research on this unless someone complained or pointed this out to them.

No matter how it happened...that was fast work.

Of course, now HopelessGirl will complain that big oil convinced amazon to take this down.

Just wait for it....


Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 12, 2015, 07:52:57 AM
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The appropriate method to repair something depends on:  What's broken, and what the circumstances are.  Improvised solutions are fine as long as they satisfy the priority requirements.  If JB Weld was good enough to fix a leaky fitting and the fix held long enough to get spare fittings or permanently, then the JB Weld did its job.  If the enamel insulation in the compressor motor fails, JB Weld isn't going to help. 

LOL 1st i find pirate funny, just a funny man and nothing else. second, that is not what i asked...actually when I said what I said i meant that we both find pirate as a funny man with jbweld...yes jbweld works in certain scenarios (which is pliantly and painfully obvious) that pirate is pushing this further as if jbweld is better than ANYTHING ELSE LULZ!

So now i'm over pirate intelligence, he is funny and not someone to gather real deep information from! DONE! the fat lady has sung! THE SHIT HAS HIT THE FAN! JUST DONE! lol.

Now I'm asking you as an intelligent person to tell me how a simple air conditioner unit works and how to repair it when it stops working! (pirate does not know how to..I've asked him like 5 times already and he keeps on JBweld shit answers lol))

Now you believe you are smart based on your out view in life, from that view point, you should be able to repair simple stuff like an air conditioning unit? IF YOU CAN"T< I"M SORRY BUT YOU ARE GETTING AHEAD OF YOUR PRIDE!

Now, please explain how to repair your house A/C system? Don't worry, when you do, I have other questions to push your intelligence, I have plenty of question in the back burner...there is not lacking of those...but for now AC systems is on the table! Lets see you ability to fix such simple systems! :P (notice this is my second attempt asking)

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Lets say that tomorrow you come home after playing a game of golf and your air conditioning in your house is not blowing cold air anymore, how will you go about fixing it? Comic guy pirate says with Jbweld, but you say what? What will be the process of elimination? I'm sure it will be no big deal since you feel like you understand real deep issues. So lets hear you speak about fixing/repairing a simple mechanical/electrical component as an air conditioning unit?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 12, 2015, 08:02:39 AM
LOL you guys look like clowns trying to understand the QEG, like if there is pride to be had...there is no pride in this sad situation. The pride to be had is when you are making millions of dollars of your own. and then get rid of all QEGs in the world with your money and put lipstick on the earths lips.  ;D
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 12, 2015, 08:46:37 AM
LOL 1st i find pirate funny, just a funny man and nothing else. second, that is not what i asked...actually when I said what I said i meant that we both find pirate as a funny man with jbweld...yes jbweld works in certain scenarios (which is pliantly and painfully obvious) that pirate is pushing this further as if jbweld is better than ANYTHING ELSE LULZ!

So now i'm over pirate intelligence, he is funny and not someone to gather real deep information from! DONE! the fat lady has sung! THE SHIT HAS HIT THE FAN! JUST DONE! lol.

Now I'm asking you as an intelligent person to tell me how a simple air conditioner unit works and how to repair it when it stops working! (pirate does not know how to..I've asked him like 5 times already and he keeps on JBweld shit answers lol))

Now you believe you are smart based on your out view in life, from that view point, you should be able to repair simple stuff like an air conditioning unit? IF YOU CAN"T< I"M SORRY BUT YOU ARE GETTING AHEAD OF YOUR PRIDE!
Gee, I was unaware that achieving the status of an HVAC technician represented the epitome of intelligence.  Is that what the eggheads at Mensa use as a screening test for membership:  an HVAC technician's exam?  Perhaps such specialized knowledge is just too much for some people to handle or too dangerous to know.  After all the pilot of MH370 liked to post YT videos on how to check and repressurize the Freon in home AC  systems.
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Now, please explain how to repair your house A/C system? Don't worry, when you do, I have other questions to push your intelligence, I have plenty of question in the back burner...there is not lacking of those...but for now AC systems is on the table! Lets see you ability to fix such simple systems! :P (notice this is my second attempt asking)
Yes, after defending the indefensible Robitailles you want to talk about AC units.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 12, 2015, 08:47:27 AM
LOL you guys look like clowns trying to understand the QEG, like if there is pride to be had...there is no pride in this sad situation. The pride to be had is when you are making millions of dollars of your own. and then get rid of all QEGs in the world with your money and put lipstick on the earths lips.  ;D
The QEG is a low efficiency power converter fraudulently marketed as a free energy generator.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 12, 2015, 09:09:08 AM
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Gee, I was unaware that achieving the status of an HVAC technician represented the epitome of intelligence.  Is that what the eggheads at Mensa use as a screening test for membership:  an HVAC technician's exam?  Perhaps such specialized knowledge is just too much for some people to handle or too dangerous to know.  After all the pilot of MH370 liked to post YT videos on how to check and repressurize the Freon in home AC  systems.

lol, no matter what you say, you are still not describing how a simple HVAC unit must be fixed if you are to be such an intelligent person with higher degree of understading. As a matter of fact it is plainly obvious that you have to understand these things to move on forward with anyone actually testing your knowledge...all people that can understand deeper things should be able to understand these simple things down to the root!!!

WUT you just mentioned a pilot of a MH370, mmmm is that what you are marke? a pilot and not an engneer, rememer a monkey pilot was straped on an aircrapt to go to the moon also?

PLEASE JUST TELL ME HOW TO FIX AN AC SYSTEM AND LETS MOVE ONNN FROM THERE SHAL WEE? nothing hard really!

If you cannot understand the HVAC system of the earth how the hell can you of the universe? HECK! even the human body!!!

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Yes, after defending the indefensible Robitailles you want to talk about AC units.

lol your brain is picky and racist with no hard core math paper work to back it up! I tried to show you that when they go away you will still bytch about others. You are in a comfort zone where no one bothers you to challange your "intelligence" so you keep on blabering about anything and everything, but once one starts to challange you is when you will start to make up excuses and search "back up" from other people to come and help you out. This has been researched and documented in the human psychology for decades. NOw marke, it's time for a wake up call and you have never met a challange before where someone challanges your thinking? lol, you must be 100% right all of the time then right? no need for me to question you at all? nor the rest of the clowns that follow your beliefs should question you?

But we will get there eventually for the rest to see. for now, lets get back to the simplex view of fixing an AC system. Tell me how to fix one cause it is a requirement to understand further..and it should be no big deal to you!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 12, 2015, 09:13:20 AM
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The QEG is a low efficiency power converter

Please point me to ANY HIGH efficiency power converter? lol (also please understand that QEGs exists all around the savanna desert).
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hope on August 12, 2015, 09:38:05 AM
Protoplasm photosynthesis is a big one!  If you use the Flemming right hand and left hand rules you can see how "lines of force can be converted into magnetics and/or electro motive force (electron pressure).

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 12, 2015, 10:02:45 AM
Please point me to ANY HIGH efficiency power converter? lol (also please understand that QEGs exists all around the savanna desert).
Pick any solar inverter manufactured by: enPhase, SMA, or ABB.  The average power conversion efficiency is better than 94%.  The QEG manages about 30%.  It is awful.
Manure piles exist on dairy farms all across the USA.  They are more useful than any QEG.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 13, 2015, 02:34:40 AM
Joel:

They never sent a monkey to the moon.  I mean, really, you should read more.
A chimp named HAM did go up in a Mercury capsule test flight but that was long before Gemini, or the Apollo which actually went to the moon.

You just gave me a great idea:  JB Weld, so easy to use, even a monkey can do it.

Thanks, I'm sending this one in to corporate.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 13, 2015, 03:10:01 AM
lol, no matter what you say, you are still not describing how a simple HVAC unit must be fixed if you are to be such an intelligent person with higher degree of understading. As a matter of fact it is plainly obvious that you have to understand these things to move on forward with anyone actually testing your knowledge...all people that can understand deeper things should be able to understand these simple things down to the root!!!

WUT you just mentioned a pilot of a MH370, mmmm is that what you are marke? a pilot and not an engneer, rememer a monkey pilot was straped on an aircrapt to go to the moon also?

PLEASE JUST TELL ME HOW TO FIX AN AC SYSTEM AND LETS MOVE ONNN FROM THERE SHAL WEE? nothing hard really!

If you cannot understand the HVAC system of the earth how the hell can you of the universe? HECK! even the human body!!!

lol your brain is picky and racist with no hard core math paper work to back it up! I tried to show you that when they go away you will still bytch about others. You are in a comfort zone where no one bothers you to challange your "intelligence" so you keep on blabering about anything and everything, but once one starts to challange you is when you will start to make up excuses and search "back up" from other people to come and help you out. This has been researched and documented in the human psychology for decades. NOw marke, it's time for a wake up call and you have never met a challange before where someone challanges your thinking? lol, you must be 100% right all of the time then right? no need for me to question you at all? nor the rest of the clowns that follow your beliefs should question you?

But we will get there eventually for the rest to see. for now, lets get back to the simplex view of fixing an AC system. Tell me how to fix one cause it is a requirement to understand further..and it should be no big deal to you!
Your propositions are silly.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 13, 2015, 05:41:52 AM
just wanted to point out the threatening tone that such people as arron l meilaiac and his cheerful team of qeg fraudsters to what depth will ultimately decline to should anyone try to investigate more why they never were transparent to begin with.
after all, many people did expect them to deliver on a proper working poor towns water well that seemed so important to the qeg team at the time they first suggested they would, using some of their over 200 thousand donated dollars.

aaron has a enthusiasm for webpage design.

below is arron's responses to questions that he was approached with on his website oddly titled Manifest Destiny Triforce.

i first informed him that the qeg had a link on their qeg website connected to his article he published on his manifest destiny triforce webpage titled 'the art of online scamming',
and this was his reply:



Re: The Art of Online Scamming. What you need...
8 messages
 (Aaron L Meileiac)
   
Hey thanks Dunno why they are linked to that article. I wrote that one. Cheers.


If you like you can write a 13th Section and ill attach it to the article after a review.

- after waiting a few days i left arron another message on his articles webpage, wondering why he never updated his article yet,
and he responds back with this:
   
I am thankful for you potential info. However I shall have to have your entire site under review.  I am a apart of the Swissindo.  So in order to take you serious your entire servers and site shall now be under review. xx
Integrity is something I do not have to protect nor do i Have to inform my cast. MDT is only a personal project of something much larger I am apart of.  You have been notified.
Also if found targeting my Inet all tracers can be found even if your using linxus. Cheers.
   
http://www.godskyearth.org/swissindo.html

-at which point i contacted aaron back wondering why that above posting that aaron wrote was sent to me,
and his response to that was:
   
at a event in st louis will catch up on this soon and no that responce was not for you.  I meant to send that to another party. Sorry for the exception.  And there are a few qeg groups. If your in refernce to hope more then im sorry but hope is a sweetie and a delegate at swissindo.  So if you have a issue with that you will have to go your own way now. If not looking forward to more of your intelligent interactions
cheers

- and tonight being wed aug 12th 2015 at around 8 pm now 10 days since previous contact when i asked at that time how the weather was in st louis, aaron decides to finally respond back by sending this message:

quite good you should come have a peak, you might "GET" more than you expected.
   
Aaron L Meileiac

   
The Art of Online Scamming. What you need to know for protecting yourself and friends!
The Art of Online Scamming.  What you need to know for protecting yourself and friends! Author: Aaron L Meileiac  Let's all face it here.  We are...


- and then followed by another idle threat he sent minutes after previous one:

 do not have me put a Public Condimend notice on your "forehead", I have more outreach then you can count  and send my reguards to your council. xx The watchers are being watched.  Did you think you could do this forever mate? LOL! 

-and a few moments later, he feels the need to inform that he has plenty of ammo:
   
Aaron L Meileiac    Wed, Aug 12, 2015 at 8:03 PM

Anyways partner please keep coming with that critic stuff i love your free advertisement on bumping my posts. Again there is no need for concern over what im doing. Its you who is in the critical based assumptions.  You have done a well job of showing your "colors".  Are you out of ammo yet troll?  WE have a plentiful amount of ammo if your out. xx




and there you have it, try to seek honesty and instead the dishonest turn to odd veiled physical threats,
no surprises there. sadly on other matters st louis has much ado about violence lately..

the qeg management really did seem like such a honest peaceful consortium on the surface!

ok, moving onto to important and better things.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 13, 2015, 10:18:58 AM
Swissindo, OPPT....... and now FTW QEG. My my, how the world does turn. I think that anyone who is stupid enough to fall for these scams deserves exactly what they get.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70324-SwissIndo-The-Scam-Exposed
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 13, 2015, 05:09:35 PM
Swissindo, OPPT....... and now FTW QEG. My my, how the world does turn. I think that anyone who is stupid enough to fall for these scams deserves exactly what they get.

http://projectavalon.net/forum4/showthread.php?70324-SwissIndo-The-Scam-Exposed

ya they are disgusting selfish scammers who would stop short of delivering on a promise of installing a working water well for the poor, or many other examples.

with any luck and thanks to anyone bold enough to confront scammers, enough early warning signs have been installed to help protect decent people whos shortsight sometimes prevents them from noticing hidden ice on the curved roadways found ahead.
sadly disabled people are the first to be taken for such a ride. its a job for those compassionately installing guard rails and warning signs at the most appropriate locations, be it for their family, friends, neighbor or any person who happens to find themselves travelling as passengers or drivers on such a road.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 14, 2015, 08:27:52 AM
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Your propositions are silly.

It may be silly to you but your sweaty (stinky?) body needs to stay cool in the hot summer days and nice and warm in the cold days.

I spend my free time learning about anything and everything that I can and that is the best way to look at like in every possible angle one human brain can handle (we are social animals) and the studies show that we are all living in a bubble! IOW, a doctor may not even know how to rebuilt and engine while mechanic cannot even understand staple stitches. There is really nothing hard in both to do at all the only thing that is needed is someone to teach you the past LEARNING. That's it. In our modern society, you pay to learn what has been acquired by evolution for millions of years to these new born kids. Which is someway of money making way. All newborns are born gullible, the parent teaches them what best they can, and then they pay what the government can teach them. If kids from their first years where encouraged to learn everything and anything to benefit their future life, our civilization would be 30-40 years ahead of what they are right now and the focus would be more to take care of each other instead of fighting/wars.

But i'm sure you don't know how to rebuilt a motor nor how to fic and A/C system so my questioning for you is still on the table and I know you don't know unless you take some classes for years. I have learned this because out of curiosity I learned what it takes to fix an AC system which is pretty simple. If I learn how to operate, it would be simple too...nothing out of this earth phenomena.

Let me ask you how to fix a car then in all possible ways... that is my next hobby of curiosity and so far I know how they work in the basics of the combustion and the diesel side of things and the so many different type of engine designs like the mazda motor.

The beauty about looking at different angles is that it benefits you in the curiosity of things but it also helps you out in the greedy side corruption of things. Just say that you don't know how to repair an A/C system :P (home or industrial)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 14, 2015, 08:45:33 AM
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They never sent a monkey to the moon.  I mean, really, you should read more.

My point was that just because you can fly an aircraft does not make you the smartest person in the word. There is so much safety in the airplanes that they can pretty much fly themselves with little human interaction. My reference to the monkey is that it was just flown on autopilot :)

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JB Weld, so easy to use, even a monkey can do it.

Aha, lol...even bill can do it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 14, 2015, 08:52:40 AM
You might be surprised at what people do and don't know, joel.
 
I completely overhauled the AC system in my old Chevy a couple of years ago. Replaced the compressor, the dryer, the orifice tube, the condenser and evaporator with new parts. Pumped the new system down with a 2-stage vane pump, and changed the system from the old freon R22 to the new R134. Bought the vacuum pump and an ac service gauge set from Harbor Freight.

I can also bake a cake, machine small parts to 0.0001 inch accuracy, play the guitar, fly a sailplane, and touch-type 40 words per minute. Among other skills. And I'm pretty sure that other, well-rounded and well-educated people like MarkE have similar skill-sets as well. There is really no point in your little cynical "challenges" because I will imagine that it's pretty easy to find complicated things that YOU, joel, cannot do, that other people CAN do. Just as it is for me or for anyone.

I've even repaired a few engine crankcases with J-B Weld. (I have A&P licence, can legally overhaul aircraft engines and repair sheetmetal and other aircraft structural parts too.)

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There is so much safety in the airplanes that they can pretty much fly themselves with little human interaction.

That is almost the silliest thing I've seen you write so far.  Why do you think that airliners still need to have TWO highly qualified and highly paid PILOTS sitting up in the pointy end, then? Just to turn knobs and push buttons?
You get a ROFL for that one.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 14, 2015, 09:04:49 AM
It may be silly to you but your sweaty (stinky?) body needs to stay cool in the hot summer days and nice and warm in the cold days.

I spend my free time learning about anything and everything that I can and that is the best way to look at like in every possible angle one human brain can handle (we are social animals) and the studies show that we are all living in a bubble! IOW, a doctor may not even know how to rebuilt and engine while mechanic cannot even understand staple stitches. There is really nothing hard in both to do at all the only thing that is needed is someone to teach you the past LEARNING. That's it. In our modern society, you pay to learn what has been acquired by evolution for millions of years to these new born kids. Which is someway of money making way. All newborns are born gullible, the parent teaches them what best they can, and then they pay what the government can teach them. If kids from their first years where encouraged to learn everything and anything to benefit their future life, our civilization would be 30-40 years ahead of what they are right now and the focus would be more to take care of each other instead of fighting/wars.

But i'm sure you don't know how to rebuilt a motor nor how to fic and A/C system so my questioning for you is still on the table and I know you don't know unless you take some classes for years. I have learned this because out of curiosity I learned what it takes to fix an AC system which is pretty simple. If I learn how to operate, it would be simple too...nothing out of this earth phenomena.

Let me ask you how to fix a car then in all possible ways... that is my next hobby of curiosity and so far I know how they work in the basics of the combustion and the diesel side of things and the so many different type of engine designs like the mazda motor.

The beauty about looking at different angles is that it benefits you in the curiosity of things but it also helps you out in the greedy side corruption of things. Just say that you don't know how to repair an A/C system :P (home or industrial)
I am happy that you have learned some skills that you value.  What has any of that got to do with the QEG scam that the Robitailles pulled and continue to try and pull?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 14, 2015, 09:17:30 AM
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I completely overhauled the AC system in my old Chevy a couple of years ago. Replaced the compressor, the dryer, the orifice tube, the condenser and evaporator with new parts. Pumped the new system down with a 2-stage vane pump, and changed the system from the old freon R22 to the new R134. Bought the vacuum pump and an ac service gauge set from Harbor Freight.

Yes these are the type of answers that SEPERATES the nay sayers from the people that actually know what they are talking about. I understood everything you referred to 'cause I know what the purpose of those parts do. But lets hear MarkE know about what you are talking about, lol, that would be entertaining and serious at the same time. To understand the seriousness of the situation, first we have to ask MarkE if he believes in cop>+ devices? Or even you Tibsel, do you believe in cop>+ devices?

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I can also bake a cake, machine small parts to 0.0001 inch accuracy, play the guitar, fly a sailplane, and touch-type 40 words per minute. Among other skills. And I'm pretty sure that other, well-rounded and well-educated people like MarkE have similar skill-sets as well. There is really no point in your little cynical "challenges" because I will imagine that it's pretty easy to find complicated things that YOU, joel, cannot do, that other people CAN do. Just as it is for me or for anyone.

Yes I understand but you also have to understand that you don't understand how the universe works? I've thought about ENERGY all the way down to the root. You understand how the whole universe evergy came from this dot  → . right? From that dot everything came to be to all KNOWN outer space which means trillions of galaxies and, well, a number so big that humans can't understand of stars. Now you have to understand that all of this energy is fueling the galaxies right? Like the sun is emitting these harmful rays it MUST BE GATHERING ANERGY FROM THE DARK MATTER?  So if we go all the way back to all of the earths energy, it came from this dot → . I don't know how that registers in your brain but that's cop>+...ok we can understand that by “science” but then what happens when the filter of money gets in the way? Everything is cop←- But how can that be = simple a cop< - living inside a cop>+ IOW, the cop>+ is what keeps this universe going...those people talking about “renewables” don't look past their noses. So I ask myself, why is electricity not freee? Tell me why if you believe to be all smart like marke.

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I've even repaired a few engine crankcases with J-B Weld.

Pics or it never happened. lol
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 14, 2015, 09:30:58 AM
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I am happy that you have learned some skills that you value.  What has any of that got to do with the QEG scam that the Robitailles pulled and continue to try and pull?

So what this says is that MarkE does not know how to fix an A/C system as Bill can't either but TinselKoala knows how to.

Well, MarkE how can you be soooo sure about something that you don't know how it works 100% if you don't know how an A/C system works 100%?

You don't know the corruption that goes on in the GREEED side of corrupted companies that “fix” air conditioning units too right?

TinselKoala tell MarkE how much money you saved by doing it yourself?

Oh so can we do a generator by ourselves and power it from the mountain waters? Of course it will be allowed by the government right smart guys? Lol

MarkE, why have they not put a meter on the air you breathe? You probably don't know as you don't know how to fix a simple A/C system?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 14, 2015, 09:38:49 AM
So what this says is that MarkE does not know how to fix an A/C system as Bill can't either but TinselKoala knows how to.
No it doesn't.
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Well, MarkE how can you be soooo sure about something that you don't know how it works 100% if you don't know how an A/C system works 100%?
LOL, you have two fails in one sentence.
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You don't know the corruption that goes on in the GREEED side of corrupted companies that “fix” air conditioning units too right?
LOL, No doubt reptilian alien overlords who run the HVAC service community engage in price fixing.
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TinselKoala tell MarkE how much money you saved by doing it yourself?

Oh so can we do a generator by ourselves and power it from the mountain waters? Of course it will be allowed by the government right smart guys? Lol
As long as you own the mountain you can do what you like.
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MarkE, why have they not put a meter on the air you breathe? You probably don't know as you don't know how to fix a simple A/C system?
At an oxygen bar they do.  Once again you have failed to establish your claim or any relevance to it.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on August 15, 2015, 01:57:51 AM
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Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 15, 2015, 02:51:50 AM
So what this says is that MarkE does not know how to fix an A/C system as Bill can't either but TinselKoala knows how to.

Well, MarkE how can you be soooo sure about something that you don't know how it works 100% if you don't know how an A/C system works 100%?

You don't know the corruption that goes on in the GREEED side of corrupted companies that “fix” air conditioning units too right?

TinselKoala tell MarkE how much money you saved by doing it yourself?

Oh so can we do a generator by ourselves and power it from the mountain waters? Of course it will be allowed by the government right smart guys? Lol

MarkE, why have they not put a meter on the air you breathe? You probably don't know as you don't know how to fix a simple A/C system?

You make so many unfounded assumptions Joel.  Intelligent folks do not tend to do that.

I have owned 6 houses in my lifetime and I have repaired and maintained the heating and cooling systems on all of them.  My first home needed a new system, so, I installed it myself.

I spent 20 years as a ceramic machinist, I can fly airplanes (real ones),  I play drums and toured in a rock and roll band in the 70's,  I play guitar, I play the keyboards as well,  I was responsible for all of the maintenance on the machines in my Dad's machine shop where I worked while growing up.  I installed and maintained all of the machine tools in my own machine shop and never had to call for an outside repair person,  I helped to design and build several parts that have flown on the Space Shuttle, redesigned and built parts for the F-16, My company had parts we made in the first Mars Lander, I have rebuilt automobile engines and, I am about to install a large bore kit onto my scooter taking it from 49cc to 80 cc.  I was a Private Investigator for 12 years and ran my own agency specializing in video surveillance, I started and ran my own Advertising agency, I founded Thunder Wood Drivers which built and sold persimmon wood golf clubs utilizing a ceramic Power Concentrator, (Partially stabilized zirconium oxide) I have written 5 novels, 3 of which are available on amazon, (I am working on number 6) I have been shot at, and had guns pulled on me more than once, I now do armed security for a very large company.

So,  as you can see, your stupid assumptions are just that.  I seriously doubt that you know anything about anything that MarkE does not know much more about.  Your youth betrays you.

Bill

***EDIT***

I forgot that I have also been scuba diving in many places around the country, was flying a Cessna that caught fire in mid air, had lunch with a sitting Vice President Of the United States, (after presenting him with one of our inventions) have over 60 inventions, (10 of which have been successfully brought to market) and, since I am old, I will probably think of more stuff that I have done.  But, no matter, I suppose you get the point.  There are a lot of folks here that have done some incredible things over their lifetime, and for you...a young kid, to try to claim that you know more is ridiculous.
I mean, you do sound like you have a brain and it is good that you are learning to do many different things...good for you.  Just think what you will have done and will know when you are in your 50's.  So, when some kid then tells you he knows more and has done more than you...you too can just laugh.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 15, 2015, 08:39:18 AM
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No it doesn't.

lol that's it...ok I will respond intelligently with “yes it does” lol

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LOL, you have two fails in one sentence.

Just say that you don't know how to repair an A/C systems instead of trying to NEVER BE WRONG already. It is a fact that you can't build an LCD TV. The way our world works is because we are social animals and the responsibility of the smart people is to help those that can't so easily. You think I am trying to put you down but I know 100% sure that NO ONE KNOWS EVERYTHING! So you cannot know everything...how can someone feel to understand everything and also predict the future of their non-understanding stuff?

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No doubt reptilian alien overlords who run the HVAC service community engage in price fixing.

You don't understand the AC systems so you can't understand the GREEED side of them BUT you can understand where you get TAXED AND OVER CHARGED in anything else. How can't you not see that GREEED is in all? I'm amazed I thought you where smart at one point. Or maybe is just a lact of miscommunication. I know for a fact that those working on comission will try to sell you a brand new $4,000 USD unit even if it only needs a $100 AC motor. You would understand this if you know how the system works but I guess you are living in your own little bubble lol = not that smart.

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As long as you own the mountain you can do what you like.

How do you buy a mountain that one can put a hoover damn down the river?

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t an oxygen bar they do.  Once again you have failed to establish your claim or any relevance to it.

Man, seriously, who makes air? face palm  ::)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 15, 2015, 09:04:26 AM
lol that's it...ok I will respond intelligently with “yes it does” lol

Just say that you don't know how to repair an A/C systems instead of trying to NEVER BE WRONG already. It is a fact that you can't build an LCD TV. The way our world works is because we are social animals and the responsibility of the smart people is to help those that can't so easily. You think I am trying to put you down but I know 100% sure that NO ONE KNOWS EVERYTHING! So you cannot know everything...how can someone feel to understand everything and also predict the future of their non-understanding stuff?

You don't understand the AC systems so you can't understand the GREEED side of them BUT you can understand where you get TAXED AND OVER CHARGED in anything else. How can't you not see that GREEED is in all? I'm amazed I thought you where smart at one point. Or maybe is just a lact of miscommunication. I know for a fact that those working on comission will try to sell you a brand new $4,000 USD unit even if it only needs a $100 AC motor. You would understand this if you know how the system works but I guess you are living in your own little bubble lol = not that smart.

How do you buy a mountain that one can put a hoover damn down the river?

Man, seriously, who makes air? face palm  ::)
LOL
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 15, 2015, 09:04:56 AM
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You make so many unfounded assumptions Joel.  Intelligent folks do not tend to do that.

I have owned 6 houses in my lifetime and I have repaired and maintained the heating and cooling systems on all of them.  My first home needed a new system, so, I installed it myself.

I spent 20 years as a ceramic machinist, I can fly airplanes (real ones),  I play drums and toured in a rock and roll band in the 70's,  I play guitar, I play the keyboards as well,  I was responsible for all of the maintenance on the machines in my Dad's machine shop where I worked while growing up.  I installed and maintained all of the machine tools in my own machine shop and never had to call for an outside repair person,  I helped to design and build several parts that have flown on the Space Shuttle, redesigned and built parts for the F-16, My company had parts we made in the first Mars Lander, I have rebuilt automobile engines and, I am about to install a large bore kit onto my scooter taking it from 49cc to 80 cc.  I was a Private Investigator for 12 years and ran my own agency specializing in video surveillance, I started and ran my own Advertising agency, I founded Thunder Wood Drivers which built and sold persimmon wood golf clubs utilizing a ceramic Power Concentrator, (Partially stabilized zirconium oxide) I have written 5 novels, 3 of which are available on amazon, (I am working on number 6) I have been shot at, and had guns pulled on me more than once, I now do armed security for a very large company.

So,  as you can see, your stupid assumptions are just that.  I seriously doubt that you know anything about anything that MarkE does not know much more about.  Your youth betrays you.

Bill

***EDIT***

I forgot that I have also been scuba diving in many places around the country, was flying a Cessna that caught fire in mid air, had lunch with a sitting Vice President Of the United States, (after presenting him with one of our inventions) have over 60 inventions, (10 of which have been successfully brought to market) and, since I am old, I will probably think of more stuff that I have done.  But, no matter, I suppose you get the point.  There are a lot of folks here that have done some incredible things over their lifetime, and for you...a young kid, to try to claim that you know more is ridiculous.
I mean, you do sound like you have a brain and it is good that you are learning to do many different things...good for you.  Just think what you will have done and will know when you are in your 50's.  So, when some kid then tells you he knows more and has done more than you...you too can just laugh.

Thanks for sharing that bill, I just judge people on how they respond. This response is wayyyyyyyyy different than your Jbwelding “HALF JOKES” on a fan motor (all I can remember from your posts is that you fixed a fan on an inducting motor with Jbwled lol). Maybe you are just stuck on making fun of people that you forget that the way you express yourself means something too. HECK! For all I know the Jbweld could only be an inside JOKE among your intelligent folks! But that is not encouraging for anyone. But looking at it closely, you old folks need to help the young ones, you will be surprised how the young ones will value that knowledge being given. As a matter of fact, this knowledge should be passed along to the younger folks with out paying any money at all.

If all of your mature people intelligence was to gathered and become one, I'm pretty sure ya'll would make an “over-unity” device and help many people understand their future life. Just think what influenced you when you where little? Was it someone whom attacked you or was it someone whom supported you?

WOW pirate, you know more stuff beside jbwelding a metal fan on a motor...you should have mentioned this from the begining!  8)

SO why have you mentioned working two jobs?

Why are you not a millionaire?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 15, 2015, 09:26:59 AM
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LOL

I'm use to my mind being hard to understand bro. I spend most of my time thinking about why this and that. I have been genetically born with "macho man" genetics so don't take it as an insult if I go against you. BUT THIS "LOL", = 100% facts you don't know how A/C systems work. How many times do I have to ask? You think an answer of LOL will make you smart? I'm kind of wondering what motivated a person that does not know how to fix an A/C give an LOL to a person that does and it can be proven 100%...now I'm suppose to believe what your opinion regarding the QEG as of "high quality"?...nah!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 15, 2015, 09:38:24 AM

Why are you not a millionaire?



My Mom, God rest her soul, used to ask me the same thing all of the time.  My response was, and still is, I do not care that much about money.

You did raise a good point in your post that there are, indeed, a lot of very educated and intelligent folks here.  Why have they not invented overunity yet?

Good question.  The easy answer is that it may not be possible to do.  Maybe it is not possible to do....yet.  Who knows?  If anyone gets it, it will be a guy like MarkE, or TK, or maybe MileHigh and probably not a guy like me.  No matter.  IF it can be done it will be done.  These smart guys here help in many ways, one of which is to stop folks from going down known dead end paths.  They also help to bust false O.U. claims as well.  This helps newbs from trying something that has been proven not to work, wasting both time and money.

I have said before, and I will say it again Joel, I know you are not a bad guy, as I said, you are looking for answers, you want to learn how things work, etc.  This is the very thing we need our younger generation to be doing.  Questioning the status quo is a good thing to do also.  Just understand how we got to where we are...learn that...and build upon that.  It is the next generation that will make things better...or worse.

Yes, the JB Weld thing turned into a bit of a joke.  But, I have used it in the ways I have mentioned, and it does work.  Is it a better substitute than replacing the thing with new parts?  No.  But, I have fixed many things with it meaning to go back and get new parts but...i have forgotten because the device is still working OK.

Just keep learning Joel and keep your mind open.  I just wish more younger folks took an interest in how things work that surround them in their every day lives.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 15, 2015, 10:41:10 AM
My Mom, God rest her soul, used to ask me the same thing all of the time.  My response was, and still is, I do not care that much about money.

You did raise a good point in your post that there are, indeed, a lot of very educated and intelligent folks here.  Why have they not invented overunity yet?

Good question.  The easy answer is that it may not be possible to do.  Maybe it is not possible to do....yet.  Who knows?  If anyone gets it, it will be a guy like MarkE, or TK, or maybe MileHigh and probably not a guy like me.  No matter.  IF it can be done it will be done.  These smart guys here help in many ways, one of which is to stop folks from going down known dead end paths.  They also help to bust false O.U. claims as well.  This helps newbs from trying something that has been proven not to work, wasting both time and money.

I have said before, and I will say it again Joel, I know you are not a bad guy, as I said, you are looking for answers, you want to learn how things work, etc.  This is the very thing we need our younger generation to be doing.  Questioning the status quo is a good thing to do also.  Just understand how we got to where we are...learn that...and build upon that.  It is the next generation that will make things better...or worse.

Yes, the JB Weld thing turned into a bit of a joke.  But, I have used it in the ways I have mentioned, and it does work.  Is it a better substitute than replacing the thing with new parts?  No.  But, I have fixed many things with it meaning to go back and get new parts but...i have forgotten because the device is still working OK.

Just keep learning Joel and keep your mind open.  I just wish more younger folks took an interest in how things work that surround them in their every day lives.

Bill

some very good things you do mention, and well.

been rather impressed by many here, and still am.

money isn't everything.

keep inspiring.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 15, 2015, 10:47:02 AM
I'm use to my mind being hard to understand bro. I spend most of my time thinking about why this and that. I have been genetically born with "macho man" genetics so don't take it as an insult if I go against you. BUT THIS "LOL", = 100% facts you don't know how A/C systems work. How many times do I have to ask? You think an answer of LOL will make you smart? I'm kind of wondering what motivated a person that does not know how to fix an A/C give an LOL to a person that does and it can be proven 100%...now I'm suppose to believe what your opinion regarding the QEG as of "high quality"?...nah!!!!!!!
LOL.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 15, 2015, 12:11:41 PM
LOL.

to quote another great author, its like looking directly into the sun.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 16, 2015, 09:51:11 AM
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My Mom, God rest her soul, used to ask me the same thing all of the time.  My response was, and still is, I do not care that much about money.

I'm sure your mom/dad smacked you across the head many times and a gilrfriend did too here and there. But money the root of all evil and the solution to all evil. What I mean is that the money system works as a trade system but what is CORRUPTED it giving paper value when it cannot be backed up with mother nature goods.

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You did raise a good point in your post that there are, indeed, a lot of very educated and intelligent folks here.  Why have they not invented overunity yet?

I have learned that kids learn very quickly...past 20 years old their mentality is kind of engraved in their mind of their beliefs...IOW, it will take like 10 years to change their minds so they can believe something else..and this is a tactic the advertising companies do...the average human being hears a certain commercial at least 30 times a day = this type of repetitiveness works and changes the mentality of the average person (at the age 80 one will remember the advertisement of those products). Now I'm wondering who is trapped in this repetitiveness? It's obvious to me that if they ever intelligent “judges” does not mean that their “filter” is 100% correct. That is not posible so it means that outside of their filter, there can be an OU already working but their beliefs will never allow it to happen. Which is true.

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Good question.  The easy answer is that it may not be possible to do.  Maybe it is not possible to do....yet.  Who knows?  If anyone gets it, it will be a guy like MarkE, or TK, or maybe MileHigh and probably not a guy like me.  No matter.  IF it can be done it will be done.  These smart guys here help in many ways, one of which is to stop folks from going down known dead end paths.  They also help to bust false O.U. claims as well.  This helps newbs from trying something that has been proven not to work, wasting both time and money.

Aha, who else do you know outside MarkE, TK, or MileHigh? Sorry to say that if you where to be more open minded from these guys, you would see better benefits for you! As a matter of fact, how do you benefit believing in their ideology? Have they helped you in any way? Did their beliefs benefit your life in any way?

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I have said before, and I will say it again Joel, I know you are not a bad guy, as I said, you are looking for answers, you want to learn how things work, etc.  This is the very thing we need our younger generation to be doing.  Questioning the status quo is a good thing to do also.  Just understand how we got to where we are...learn that...and build upon that.  It is the next generation that will make things better...or worse.

Well thanks for seeing that I’m not a bad person which I am not, to be honest, I’m a soft guy that can be called a . I'm soft and timid but when it comes to fighting for the rights and understanding Justice, I talk back. A little thing about myself my dad use to hit me and insult me. He would hit me with a belt till the skin of my back would bleed. Of course I could not whoop him back with a belt to seek justice so I specialized in understanding his behavior. Which it all came from GREEED. Allow someone to hit you with a belt hard enough that the impact on the skin breaks it and bleeds. No big deal for me cause I went through that since very little...this is the reason that I have learned to not get abused in the future, either in the mind, or physically.

I just can't see the good side of MarkE, TK, nor MileHIgh….I just see them of saying, shut up and only listen to what I have to say. I mean MarkE is laughing at me right now as I type this. lol

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Just keep learning Joel and keep your mind open.  I just wish more younger folks took an interest in how things work that surround them in their every day lives.

The positive side about learning a lot of things is that you enjoy what you love to do, but the negative side is that you HAVE to make others understand what you have figured out. In a works of GREED this does not sit well and the greedy people like to keep the population watered down in the brain...so when someone tries to oppose “big brother” in any way, you seem like the “odd” person out while you may have lots of information to make their life better as a community...lol but just wait what MarkE, TK, and MileHigh dictate what you should be thinking about? Lol

I was impressed you wrote all of this though. I  hope your masters allowed you to express more human emotions in the future?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: infringer on August 17, 2015, 05:06:27 AM
JB weld is actually better than it is given credit for have an old water pipe I fixed was told I"ll just be replacing the pipe that it wouldn't hold up here it is years later working like a champ. It almost makes me wonder at times if application was rushed and not done correctly and things along that line or if maybe a slim chance I got a batch that was better than the rest. My guess is that everyone is in such a hurry to go nowhere that application could actually be the culprit aka User Error.

How many times have we heard this damn thing is not working right heck we even probably said it ourselves when often times it is found to be user error. I may not have quite the accomplished resume as some but I will have to hand it to the young one for stating something right!

We DO NOT know everything and I believe building upon stuff is great but trying to make stuff work randomly is equally important albeit dangerous at times so always work safely no matter what you are doing please learn the safety aspects of that other than that I say go ahead break free prove us all wrong that is after all what we all want anyways in the end game.

We are put here and yes we all contribute to the advancement of society in one way or another but everyone wants everything for free but yet they do not wish to give this is why their is such a gap in income. Greed is a problem I agree but not a problem for anyone who frequents this forum lol we are all here to get free energy the last thing a greedy person would think is devising a way to get something for free and post their thoughts pubic. It is damn near impossible to bring everyone up to speed or teach any one person everything that you know they have to be willing to learn and discover many things on their own as well I used to think the same way why doesn't everyone just hold my hand or give me everything I need and the data I need it is more complex than that if everything is given to you instantly have you really learned anything? You will better retain the knowledge of things by going through the motions and once you have been through the motions it is kind of like riding a bike you learn how to ride it and get great at it but as years go on you will remember the basics and if you had to you could hop right on and ride it again.

So it is a mixture of things fundamentals are indeed important in everything but yes absolutely try things outside of the box I encourage it if anything you may discover the next useful thing for humanity accidentally this is how many things are found!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 17, 2015, 07:11:04 AM
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JB weld is actually better than it is given credit for have an old water pipe I fixed was told I"ll just be replacing the pipe that it wouldn't hold up here it is years later working like a champ.

The media/ads use a technique called “fear mongering” even when it comes to computer viruses, they employ fear mongering to sell their software...the hackers use the same technique for “phishing”.

Having said that, I worked as a plumber for a few years and I can tell you that the cheap way of fixing any copper/led/galvanized water pipes is to use anything really to fix the leak. This can be jb weld, or this clamp  http://www.clampingsolutions.co.za/products/pipe-repair-clamps-2/ that fix will give you more years before another leak develops. You can actually use any type of rubber (like a piece of a tire with a clamp) and it will work too. Actually using rubber and clamp, you do not have to shut down the main water line which you would have to do for any type of epoxy to dry.

So the easiest CHEAP and best thing to do to fix a water pipe leak is clamps with rubber than jbweld. This is coming from a guy that has “repaired” many leaks in water pipes before. Never have I used jbweld to repair a leaky pipe. But over the years, since the pipe is already being corroded from the inside, another leak will develop along the corroding pipe. https://www.google.com/search?q=corrosion+inside+water+pipes&biw=1710&bih=914&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIv6fJka6vxwIVUn6SCh2Fvgot

Having said that, replacing a CORRODING pipe is not really that big of a deal to replace. Which is way better than patching it in the long run but, again, to just fix leaks as easy as 123 a clamp with rubber is the way to go instead of jbweld. :)

All of these house repairs are not hard all the way down to fixing a phone line, refrigerator, dishwasher, microwave, HVAC system, home structure, electrical wiring, etc...jbweld does not have much value regarding repairing any of those things….:)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: deggoryk on August 17, 2015, 04:25:26 PM
maybe the hopegirl need to learn from him how to make QEG overunity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWXU_ni684Y
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 18, 2015, 03:27:49 AM
The media/ads use a technique called “fear mongering” even when it comes to computer viruses, they employ fear mongering to sell their software...the hackers use the same technique for “phishing”.

Having said that, I worked as a plumber for a few years and I can tell you that the cheap way of fixing any copper/led/galvanized water pipes is to use anything really to fix the leak. This can be jb weld, or this clamp  http://www.clampingsolutions.co.za/products/pipe-repair-clamps-2/ (http://www.clampingsolutions.co.za/products/pipe-repair-clamps-2/) that fix will give you more years before another leak develops. You can actually use any type of rubber (like a piece of a tire with a clamp) and it will work too. Actually using rubber and clamp, you do not have to shut down the main water line which you would have to do for any type of epoxy to dry.

So the easiest CHEAP and best thing to do to fix a water pipe leak is clamps with rubber than jbweld. This is coming from a guy that has “repaired” many leaks in water pipes before. Never have I used jbweld to repair a leaky pipe. But over the years, since the pipe is already being corroded from the inside, another leak will develop along the corroding pipe. https://www.google.com/search?q=corrosion+inside+water+pipes&biw=1710&bih=914&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIv6fJka6vxwIVUn6SCh2Fvgot (https://www.google.com/search?q=corrosion+inside+water+pipes&biw=1710&bih=914&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAcQ_AUoAmoVChMIv6fJka6vxwIVUn6SCh2Fvgot)

Having said that, replacing a CORRODING pipe is not really that big of a deal to replace. Which is way better than patching it in the long run but, again, to just fix leaks as easy as 123 a clamp with rubber is the way to go instead of jbweld. :)

All of these house repairs are not hard all the way down to fixing a phone line, refrigerator, dishwasher, microwave, HVAC system, home structure, electrical wiring, etc...jbweld does not have much value regarding repairing any of those things…. :)

See?  You are making assumptions again just because you do not know something:

http://www.jbweld.com/products/waterweld-epoxy-putty (http://www.jbweld.com/products/waterweld-epoxy-putty)

This JB Weld epoxy is designed to use UNDER WATER and will set just fine under water.  Many other epoxies are available that work in a similar manner, but, they are not JB Weld.  I know folks that have repaired their $30,000 boat with this while the boat was still in the water.  As far as I know, their boat has not sunk.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 18, 2015, 04:15:17 AM
I'm sure your mom/dad smacked you across the head many times and a gilrfriend did too here and there. But money the root of all evil and the solution to all evil. What I mean is that the money system works as a trade system but what is CORRUPTED it giving paper value when it cannot be backed up with mother nature goods.

I have learned that kids learn very quickly...past 20 years old their mentality is kind of engraved in their mind of their beliefs...IOW, it will take like 10 years to change their minds so they can believe something else..and this is a tactic the advertising companies do...the average human being hears a certain commercial at least 30 times a day = this type of repetitiveness works and changes the mentality of the average person (at the age 80 one will remember the advertisement of those products). Now I'm wondering who is trapped in this repetitiveness? It's obvious to me that if they ever intelligent “judges” does not mean that their “filter” is 100% correct. That is not posible so it means that outside of their filter, there can be an OU already working but their beliefs will never allow it to happen. Which is true.

Aha, who else do you know outside MarkE, TK, or MileHigh? Sorry to say that if you where to be more open minded from these guys, you would see better benefits for you! As a matter of fact, how do you benefit believing in their ideology? Have they helped you in any way? Did their beliefs benefit your life in any way?

Well thanks for seeing that I’m not a bad person which I am not, to be honest, I’m a soft guy that can be called a . I'm soft and timid but when it comes to fighting for the rights and understanding Justice, I talk back. A little thing about myself my dad use to hit me and insult me. He would hit me with a belt till the skin of my back would bleed. Of course I could not whoop him back with a belt to seek justice so I specialized in understanding his behavior. Which it all came from GREEED. Allow someone to hit you with a belt hard enough that the impact on the skin breaks it and bleeds. No big deal for me cause I went through that since very little...this is the reason that I have learned to not get abused in the future, either in the mind, or physically.

I just can't see the good side of MarkE, TK, nor MileHIgh….I just see them of saying, shut up and only listen to what I have to say. I mean MarkE is laughing at me right now as I type this. lol

The positive side about learning a lot of things is that you enjoy what you love to do, but the negative side is that you HAVE to make others understand what you have figured out. In a works of GREED this does not sit well and the greedy people like to keep the population watered down in the brain...so when someone tries to oppose “big brother” in any way, you seem like the “odd” person out while you may have lots of information to make their life better as a community...lol but just wait what MarkE, TK, and MileHigh dictate what you should be thinking about? Lol

I was impressed you wrote all of this though. I  hope your masters allowed you to express more human emotions in the future?

Leave me out of your false, abusive claims. Anyone who _really_ follows my posts here will tell you that I always encourage people to do their own PROPER experimentation, to make PROPER measurements, and not to waste time and money doing USELESS tail-chasing or re-inventing the wheel.
 
You, on the other hand, constantly post off-topic comments, especially in this thread: Note the title of the thread, it is "supposed" to be about the Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl). That's a specific set of devices that are promoted by specific individuals. Your comments have nothing whatsoever to do with that topic, but are mostly directed at abusing those of us who do wish to discuss THAT TOPIC. I am sorry that you were abused as a child, but knowing that makes it easier to understand why you want to abuse others, if only verbally on this forum.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 18, 2015, 07:08:24 AM
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Leave me out of your false, abusive claims. Anyone who _really_ follows my posts here will tell you that I always encourage people to do their own PROPER experimentation, to make PROPER measurements, and not to waste time and money doing USELESS tail-chasing or re-inventing the wheel.

The only reason I responded to you is because you insulted me like you feel free like you can insult the QEG. Other then that, good for you sir for trying to help out society.

Let me ask you this, what type of electronic experiments are you making for the long run?

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You, on the other hand, constantly post off-topic comments, especially in this thread: Note the title of the thread, it is "supposed" to be about the Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl). That's a specific set of devices that are promoted by specific individuals. Your comments have nothing whatsoever to do with that topic, but are mostly directed at abusing those of us who do wish to discuss THAT TOPIC. I am sorry that you were abused as a child, but knowing that makes it easier to understand why you want to abuse others, if only verbally on this forum.

All i'm saying is to stop bullying these poor QEG people that only are trying to help the less fortunate. All of the “protestors” are talking about they worry how the people that spent some money on the project just wasted their money and that they are some type of con artists...which is kind of stupid to even say that if you understand how the mentality of Hitler or Marilyn Manson works. These poor people are just being accused HERE (by the "intelligent") for trying to help others POINT BLANK!

If you are worried about people taking others peoples money with no justification, I already know that the hospitals will charge you $20 dollars for a little paper cup to give you the pills...for someone that has cancer or breaks a bone, that is $6,000 dollars on your bill just for little paper cups! These QEG people don't take advantage of you when you are about to die...and if you find it that you are trying to fight against injustice, why don't you even know about that?

As a mater of fact, what are you trying to teach here with your electronics? Something along the lines to save money? Or just for fun?

What are you trying to achieve with your electronics? I'm sure it has to do with making money for you only right?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 18, 2015, 07:27:42 AM
The only reason I responded to you is because you insulted me like you feel free like you can insult the QEG.
Are you back to defending the indefensible QEG scam?
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All i'm saying is to stop bullying these poor QEG people that only are trying to help the less fortunate.
By less fortunate do you mean the poor ravenous Robitaille clan?  Their QEG claims have always been false.
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All of the “protestors” are talking about they worry how the people that spent some money on the project just wasted their money and that they are some type of con artists...which is kind of stupid to even say that if you understand how the mentality of Hitler or Marilyn Manson works. These poor people are just being accused HERE (by the "intelligent") for trying to help others POINT BLANK!
Yeah, right.
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If you are worried about people taking others peoples money with no justification, I already know that the hospitals will charge you $20 dollars for a little paper cup to give you the pills...for someone that has cancer or breaks a bone, that is $6,000 dollars on your bill just for little paper cups! These QEG people don't take advantage of you when you are about to die...and if you find it that you are trying to fight against injustice, why don't you even know about that?
The Robitailles managed to pull their con for the better part of two years.  Now they are only able to glean table scraps.
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As a mater of fact, what are you trying to teach here with your electronics? Something along the lines to save money? Or just for fun?

What are you trying to achieve with your electronics? I'm sure it has to do with making money for you only right?
TK has posted many educational videos.  He does not ask for donations.  For all the good work he posts, I think he should put up a Go Fund Me to pay for parts and an occasional cheeseburger.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 18, 2015, 07:28:11 AM
You just can't take these type of comments serious when it comes to digging your mind in to the thinking of the “big bang”, “dark matter”, or “black holes"...lol

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This JB Weld epoxy is designed to use UNDER WATER and will set just fine under water.  Many other epoxies are available that work in a similar manner, but, they are not JB Weld.  I know folks that have repaired their $30,000 boat with this while the boat was still in the water.  As far as I know, their boat has not sunk.

LULZ the BEAUTY about bill is that he is not speaking based on self experience science, he is only speaking because he “fixed” an item with jbweld and now he will never let that go cause new tricks cannot be taught to old dogs. LOL he will continue to believe that till the rest of his life.

Now, sorry bill, instead of going against new technology, you should be judging it FROM EVERY ANGLE, even if your masters don't agree, you have your own brain! LOL which sadly is just stuck on Jbweld stuff….

Show me Jbwelding something underwater? Please Bill show people how to repair a $30,000 leaky boat with under water jbweld? Then show the math and why you don't believe it is OU? Lol I'm seriously you are just picturing someone just taking bubble gum from their mouth and sticking it in the leaky crack...lol...SHOW EVIDENCE IN A COURT OF SMART PEOPLE?

Just because MarkE believes you 100% does not mean that I do (or others) bill.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SeaMonkey on August 18, 2015, 07:58:47 AM
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Typical "American" arrogance and hubris.


The sentiments of Boobus Americanus...

Love it or leave it.  Defend it to the death.

America is the greatest and the best.

If you arent' with us you're against us.

Bringing Democracy to the World.


You either made that crap up or found something on the net that seemed to be correct, so you copied it.

Why would anyone think that the US would bring "democracy' to other countries around the world when the US is not a democracy itself?  See?  Your post make 0 sense.  The US is, and always has been, a Representative republic. It has never been a democracy.  Please study some US history before making such a fool of yourself again when posting.

Also, why does love it or leave it make no sense to you?  Why would you, or anyone, stay somewhere that you hate?  Well...maybe you would, but a normal person would not.  Do you stay in hotels that you hate?  Do you eat in restaurants that you hate?  Do you work at a job that you hate?  Do you stay married to a woman that you hate?  See?  Try a little common sense next time.

Thank you,

Bill

No, it wasn't made up.  The first two are common RedNeck
statements to be heard wherever RedNecks congregate.
The third is a paraphrased quote from Dubya.
The fourth is derived from State Department and Pentagon
Mission Statements.

America is "spayshul" and "exceptional" donchaknow? :o

Is the U.S. a Democracy?  Depends which U.S. you're referring
to.

The Congress (House of Representatives and Senate) are both
Democracies. ;)

The Supreme Court is a Democracy. ::)

The Executive Branch is effectively today a Dictatorship. 8)

The "District" which is one of the "United States" functions
as a Democracy/Dictatorship but is more correctly termed
an Oligarchic Plutocracy.  The District United States is
organized as a Corporation. ???

Puerto Rico, in statute, is another of the United States'. :D

The Northern Mariana Islands are also a "United States"
in statute. ;)

The Philippines, when a possession, was also a "statutory"
United States. ;D

The States of the United States are sub-Corporations of the
Federal Corporation U.S.  (Yes, the States have been federalized.) ::)

The Original Jurisdiction Representative Republic which is brought
into existence within the Constitution for the United States did
exist for a short time before it was sabotaged by "The Crown"
within the CITY OF LONDON. :-[

Today, the Representative Republic is a dead duck and the
Constitution is to Dubya and most elected traitors in The
District just a "goddamned piece of paper." ??? :'(

The "Love it or Leave it" slogan comes up from time to
time when the United States is engaged in some war
or terrorist activity and the propaganda is running hot
and heavy to stir the People up in Blind Support. 8)

As now, for example, with the overthrow of The Ukraine
and the terrorist attacks against the peoples of the Donbass. :(

When it comes to arrogance and hubris, there is none to
compare to Boobus Americanus and the now Trance-Formed
United States of America. ;)

Been away on "bidness*."  ::)

(*  District Talk for 'business.')  ;)

America the Beautiful:  White House Dinners (http://tinyurl.com/odpp55g)

Secrets of the CIA Mind Control Slave Industry (http://tinyurl.com/pp2su3w)

(Links now modified to be acceptable)

America;  Leading the World into Wickedness
and Evil.


"Democracy" as it has been re-defined in the
propaganda of America is in reality something
else again.

"Democracy American Style" is Code for:

Socialist/Fascist/Oligarchical Plutocracy where
The People are perpetual Debt Slaves.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 19, 2015, 02:55:08 AM
You just can't take these type of comments serious when it comes to digging your mind in to the thinking of the “big bang”, “dark matter”, or “black holes"...lol

LULZ the BEAUTY about bill is that he is not speaking based on self experience science, he is only speaking because he “fixed” an item with jbweld and now he will never let that go cause new tricks cannot be taught to old dogs. LOL he will continue to believe that till the rest of his life.

Now, sorry bill, instead of going against new technology, you should be judging it FROM EVERY ANGLE, even if your masters don't agree, you have your own brain! LOL which sadly is just stuck on Jbweld stuff….

Show me Jbwelding something underwater? Please Bill show people how to repair a $30,000 leaky boat with under water jbweld? Then show the math and why you don't believe it is OU? Lol I'm seriously you are just picturing someone just taking bubble gum from their mouth and sticking it in the leaky crack...lol...SHOW EVIDENCE IN A COURT OF SMART PEOPLE?

Just because MarkE believes you 100% does not mean that I do (or others) bill.

http://www.jbweld.com/products/waterweld-epoxy-putty (http://www.jbweld.com/products/waterweld-epoxy-putty)

Joel, I was simply trying to educate you.  You are the one that said no epoxy will work when wet.  You stated that as if it were a fact.  Now, you claim I made this up?  Read the link above to see there are products that indeed set up UNDER WATER.

Quoted from the JB Weld site linked above:

     "WaterWeld will plug or seal leaks and patch holes and cracks in almost anything. Ideal for repairing plumbing, fuel tanks, tub and shower, drains,  pool and spa, boats and potable water tanks; setup occurs even under water. After curing, it can be drilled, tapped, filed, sanded and painted. WaterWeld has a set time of 15-25 minutes and sets hard in one hour. WaterWeld cures to an off-white color, is rated at a tensile strength of 900 PSI and will withstand temperatures up to 300ºF."

See?  Just because you don't know about something does not mean it does not exist.  Yes, I have used this to repair my jet ski while it was IN The Water.  That means it was wet.  Yes, it cured and worked just fine.

So, you can continue to think that I made all of this up and that you are correct that no epoxies can be used that set up under wet conditions...after all, that is what you claimed.

Maybe if you listened to your elders more often, you might learn something useful.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 19, 2015, 08:50:25 AM
It has now been _two weeks_ since anyone has made a post at the "official" QEG Be-Do Forum.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/recent

You'd think that there would be many reports, by now, of successful self-running QEGs from builder groups all around the world. After all, James Robitaille, Engineering Artiste Extraordinaire, himself, has _guaranteed_ the overunity performance, if you just follow his directions.

Maybe all those successes are being suppressed by the Powers That Be, who cannot reach as far as Morocco with their evil powers of total suppression, but have no problems suppressing FE in the rest of the world.

Or could there be a different explanation for all the conspicuous lack of reports of success?

Maybe they just aren't using enough J-B Weld.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on August 19, 2015, 09:23:26 AM

Or could there be a different explanation for all the conspicuous lack of reports of success?

Maybe they just aren't using enough J-B Weld.

Just that the predicted plan has finally come together.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 19, 2015, 09:12:40 PM
It has now been _two weeks_ since anyone has made a post at the "official" QEG Be-Do Forum.

http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum/recent

You'd think that there would be many reports, by now, of successful self-running QEGs from builder groups all around the world. After all, James Robitaille, Engineering Artiste Extraordinaire, himself, has _guaranteed_ the overunity performance, if you just follow his directions.

Maybe all those successes are being suppressed by the Powers That Be, who cannot reach as far as Morocco with their evil powers of total suppression, but have no problems suppressing FE in the rest of the world.

Or could there be a different explanation for all the conspicuous lack of reports of success?

Maybe they just aren't using enough J-B Weld.

or because its possible to go to WITT's religiously overtoned website to still be able to purchase the better working plans, not like the plans the qeg team tried to copy from them.
even though the qeg team isn't charging nearly as much in price.
though the extra cost will be pay for itself because WITT's design plans and careful instruction offers higher power gains.
you just have to believe in it first, then it works.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 19, 2015, 09:31:58 PM
I think that is called trading one fraud for another.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on August 20, 2015, 05:56:19 AM
I just checked the discussion section of Evens Abellard's YouTube channel.  A few months ago I left a comment or two, as well I noticed that TK had also left a comment.  I noticed that Evens was active on his YouTube channel two weeks ago.  Lo and behold, all of the comments have been deleted.

This is an engineer (although that is not really confirmed) that went to the UK humming fest as well as going to China as a QEG consultant to work on a system.  He pitched the "A vector" when he was in the UK.  It must have been the fumes from Allegedly Dave's cannabis holiday.

I predict that you will never hear a single peep from Evens Abellard about the QEG.

Kevin Blundell is in the same boat, and he will likely never say another word about the QEG.  Shame on him, because he was so arrogant and self-assured about the whole thing.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 21, 2015, 07:48:33 AM
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http://www.jbweld.com/products/waterweld-epoxy-putty

Joel, I was simply trying to educate you.  You are the one that said no epoxy will work when wet.  You stated that as if it were a fact.  Now, you claim I made this up?  Read the link above to see there are products that indeed set up UNDER WATER.

Quoted from the JB Weld site linked above:

     "WaterWeld will plug or seal leaks and patch holes and cracks in almost anything. Ideal for repairing plumbing, fuel tanks, tub and shower, drains,  pool and spa, boats and potable water tanks; setup occurs even under water. After curing, it can be drilled, tapped, filed, sanded and painted. WaterWeld has a set time of 15-25 minutes and sets hard in one hour. WaterWeld cures to an off-white color, is rated at a tensile strength of 900 PSI and will withstand temperatures up to 300ºF."

See?  Just because you don't know about something does not mean it does not exist.  Yes, I have used this to repair my jet ski while it was IN The Water.  That means it was wet.  Yes, it cured and worked just fine.

So, you can continue to think that I made all of this up and that you are correct that no epoxies can be used that set up under wet conditions...after all, that is what you claimed.

Maybe if you listened to your elders more often, you might learn something useful.

No I certainly don't know what you are talking about https://i.imgur.com/2nTyTrc.png

I don't think you understand the differences between what is written on paper VS what is real life. Let me ask you this bill, remember when you mentioned that you are very advance at over clocking computers? (LOL) and I asked for a snapshot of your overclocked CPU using CPU-Z and you gave me a picture of another guys computer lol...don't think for a second I have forgotten that..well here is a picture of the product you believe so much that I have used. Is not like this is the first time I hear about it from an “expert”. You see the name there as joel321 to make it 100% truth with out a doubt that I have used that product in the picture right? = simple stuff!

The simple fact is that you are one sided person speaking about something you yourself can't understand, which is kind of some type of humor but at the same time is kind of dis-encouraging for others...but the ROOT of it all is that you are just here to make yourself look good to get some chocolate chip cookies. 

Now if you know how Jbweld works and has made your life easy, how come you don't understand how an HVAC unit works? How many times have you repaired one with Jbweld...lol...I’m pretty sure I have repaired more stuff than you have in your whole life bill...lets make a competition? You and your jbweld VS me and actual tools to repair an HVAC system? :P

Besides that humorous stuff, I think your brain is not capable to understand other things. One will when they spent most of their time thinking about many things regarding nature, art, human behavior, mechanics, technology, money, anatomy, etc...BUT BUT you must know that there is no OU device out there in the galaxy? Welp, explain how the sun is burning wood in the middle of dark matter/energy?

Imagine things from “the big bang” how everything came from this dot → . Everything you see around you came from that dot, animals, galaxies, jbweld, water, air, rocks, guns, dark energy, dark mater, beer, computers, motors, ice, clouds, sounds, fire, etc….everything came from “the big bang” so how do you explain what is behind the “big bang”? And even if you don't get it, you MUST understand the COP>+ that is energizing the WHOLEEEEE known universe, or from where do you think the galaxies are getting their batteries?

You do know the difference between “Show me Jbwelding something underwater? “ VS just posting a link to a product right?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 21, 2015, 09:23:51 AM
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I think that is called trading one fraud for another.

How sure are you sure that you are not living in a fraudulent life?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 21, 2015, 09:55:00 AM
How sure are you sure that you are not living in a fraudulent life?
If you wish to assert that I have, I hope you have much better evidence than you have offered in defense of the Robitailles' QEG fraud.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 21, 2015, 10:20:55 AM
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If you wish to assert that I have, I hope you have much better evidence than you have offered in defense of the Robitailles' QEG fraud.

What other evidence do you need when you have “the big bang” theory in your face that is followed by billions of people?

I have thought about it many times and they always say that “the big bang” came from this dot → . now that is the “beginning”… if you want to talk about corruption, pffft! Going against the QEG will not save many kids. In the mind of JUSTICE does not even compute what is your purpose going against them...BECAUSE one can look at the OPPOSITE of your intentions and one can see how many people have you helped?

Going against someone does not mean that you help people...it just means that your like upvotes on the internet. You will celebrate when you hit 7000 comments right? And you will do the calculations on how many fraudulent people have you taken out to save the HUMANITY of self destruction right? Well, why are you not working for NASA? = because you are probably living a fraudulent life!

Can you picture your life when you have 20,000 posts? What will you do with all that karma? How about 100,000?

You know how I know, I'm sure you have never even used Jbweld...post a video to use it?

You know how I know, explain why the sun is just sitting in the middle of space just being a sun?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 21, 2015, 12:48:49 PM
What other evidence do you need when you have “the big bang” theory in your face that is followed by billions of people?

I have thought about it many times and they always say that “the big bang” came from this dot → . now that is the “beginning”… if you want to talk about corruption, pffft! Going against the QEG will not save many kids. In the mind of JUSTICE does not even compute what is your purpose going against them...BECAUSE one can look at the OPPOSITE of your intentions and one can see how many people have you helped?

Going against someone does not mean that you help people...it just means that your like upvotes on the internet. You will celebrate when you hit 7000 comments right? And you will do the calculations on how many fraudulent people have you taken out to save the HUMANITY of self destruction right? Well, why are you not working for NASA? = because you are probably living a fraudulent life!

Can you picture your life when you have 20,000 posts? What will you do with all that karma? How about 100,000?

You know how I know, I'm sure you have never even used Jbweld...post a video to use it?

You know how I know, explain why the sun is just sitting in the middle of space just being a sun?
So that is a big no on evidence.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pomodoro on August 21, 2015, 02:19:52 PM
Why are you so pissed Joel?

If the QEG works, the Juggernaut will be not able to stop it, let alone MarkE !

Don't lose sleep over it man, these forums can be very bad for your health, as you must now be feeling.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 21, 2015, 02:21:32 PM
Why are you so pissed Joel?

If the QEG works, the Juggernaut will be not able to stop it, let alone MarkE !

Don't lose sleep over it man.
The comedy here is that Joel already acknowledged that the QEG is a scam.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on August 21, 2015, 03:06:34 PM



Quote
Quote from: joel321 on Today at 10:20:55 AM (http://overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg459569/#msg459569)What other evidence do you need when you have “the big bang” theory in your face that is followed by billions of people?

 now that is the “beginning”… if you want to talk about corruption, pffft! Going against the QEG will not save many kids. In the mind of JUSTICE does not even compute what is your purpose going against them...BECAUSE one can look at the OPPOSITE of your intentions and one can see how many people have you helped?

Going against someone does not mean that you help people..[/font]You will celebrate when you hit 7000 comments right?



So that is a big no on evidence.







It is like staircase,Some thoughts:


we dream to get better so we learn how is to be better.
we act  and spend time, money  and learn
we overcome problems, shortages, to get to next step of that staircase,  and knowing more we look back, we lose to much if  we stop  now.
we associate our self in forums, hoping to  understand more.

while we do it many of us gives up  however stay focus  on  other people    progress.





-we lift our self to another  very  specific to us general level.
-We look around .
The difference in  level between us and others  becomes  more and more aggravating  .
that is how we start to be isolated.
We dream about  one day in life when  we will be able to change our life.


Quote
Think about yourself as  garbage collectors.
Only you know the value,  and only you can recognize potential of your years spend in  "looking around"
You see the value  and uniqueness of small bolts, wires , coils , instruments, experiments.

I have collected equipment  that has a value of few millions.
Wesley-garbage collector.



Crowd:
( extreme view)
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Idiots, flat brains, primitives,  garbage of no value in fast cars with loud music waste their life on eating ,dancing, watching TV with 75% of commercial.
They pressure the values of traveling, vacationing,  beach, restaurants, cheap  or expensive  beverages, and another weekend with no much  change.
 People trapped in  cage of obligations and not to much money..
Their life is :
-to go to work,
-learn just enough to keep the work
-and  do not lose the work


And the end there is no progress.
Time and money wasted


------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I feel discomfort now of being different.
Seeing  that what others can not see.
Crowd is now  something  that can eat you and  dispose you  guys.
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few months ago I got 7 instruments  in close to new condition.
only one of them cost $119900.
got it for roughly $250 per piece.

Happy?
Yes happy and even more aggravated.
Idiots around me did not see the value.
I was lucky guy with no money who got something  other idiots, flat brains with much more money did not even see as value...
Quote
Wesley:I did not win the lotto, I  just was more educated.
I could see the potential in  it (while other people  could possibly see the value in something like gold that was purchased   cheap and now it is worth more.)
the drastic difference of crowd general level-crowd tools of recognition,analysis and judgement ................and you guys.

You  are just very special crowd that is more like  society for me.

Quote
You are unique to me guys in a very special way ,The rest of  people around me ......... is just crowd
.


summary:
1. I'm and idiot to some  of other people.
2. Some of other people are idiots to me.

3. I'm happy  of who I'm and where I'm.
4. I have something that ads that very special taste to my life.
5.Something you're not quite proud of or felt you could have done much better becomes your lift up guys.

Quote
Wesley:
Can we make the machine that makes electricity for free?


Answer:
This machine already exist I have seen it and touch it and smell it and recognize it.
It is only time that is needed to overcome basic mechanism of human nature.
The greed.



Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 21, 2015, 03:11:30 PM
Which brings up a question I find interesting:  Why do people like Joel spend so much time and energy defending the indefensible?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on August 21, 2015, 03:46:37 PM
"Why do people like Joel spend so much time and energy defending the indefensible?" the answer is that Joel lives in a different world, where the 'scammers' are not scammers.
Remember: each person's actions are always perfectly correlated to their occurring world.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on August 21, 2015, 11:42:01 PM

http://overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg459421/#msg459421 (http://overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg459421/#msg459421)



I love your post guys .
It is not important if I agree or disagree with you.
It is just my interaction with  your  comments that has a value
I  have send it to few smart guys, american friends in science.
I would be waiting their comments as well
Thank you  very much to both of you Pirate88179 as well
You guys   messing up with   Pandora Box



1. Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people.
Eleanor Roosevelt




2.For good ideas and true innovation, you need human interaction, conflict, argument, debate.
Margaret Heffernan





Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 22, 2015, 06:12:40 AM
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So that is a big no on evidence.

You don't understand how climbing a ladder works in the mind do you? You climb and climb then hit a road block which you may fall and die but the climbing never stops. The QEG is just a step in the ladder to climb….BUT WAIT...what is this ladder for? To climb over a roof to repair an HVAC unit or to climb and get a cat down from a tree? Why do we need ladders in this life? Are you climbing a ladder yourself or do you like to stay put static?

We have two things going on here with your “intelligence” 1)you want a QEG for free spoon fed 2)you don't understand corruption, which your stance for that is that the QEG is corrupted...so doing the math, your ladder does not make sense….if you want to find JUSTICE against corruption, how do you feel about this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Sheindlin

Basically judge judy makes 45 million a year BUT only works for 52 days (imagine how much money the producers are making and the CEO?)…..explain the logic and justification regarding that justice and well being for the people, NOW, and this is important, COMPARE the injustice of her earnings with the “earnings” of the QEG? Explain the LADDERS of them both?

Sometimes you need to get out of your bubble bro :P

I know your next response won't be that intellectual regarding real life scenarios, but it is what it is the truth of all ladders always prevails :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 22, 2015, 06:19:55 AM
as most people know, swissindo is a subsiduary of the qeg.
they are both scams.

each of those is like steps in that ladder mentioned by the scam supporter, i think that is what aaron meant.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 22, 2015, 06:29:00 AM
You don't understand how climbing a ladder works in the mind do you? You climb and climb then hit a road block which you may fall and die but the climbing never stops. The QEG is just a step in the ladder to climb….BUT WAIT...what is this ladder for? To climb over a roof to repair an HVAC unit or to climb and get a cat down from a tree? Why do we need ladders in this life? Are you climbing a ladder yourself or do you like to stay put static?

We have two things going on here with your “intelligence” 1)you want a QEG for free spoon fed 2)you don't understand corruption, which your stance for that is that the QEG is corrupted...so doing the math, your ladder does not make sense….if you want to find JUSTICE against corruption, how do you feel about this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Sheindlin

Basically judge judy makes 45 million a year BUT only works for 52 days (imagine how much money the producers are making and the CEO?)…..explain the logic and justification regarding that justice and well being for the people, NOW, and this is important, COMPARE the injustice of her earnings with the “earnings” of the QEG?

Sometimes you need to get out of your bubble bro :P

I know your next response won't be that intellectual regarding real life scenarios, but it is what it is the truth of all ladders always prevails :)
LOL, you are shooting blanks trying to defend the QEG scam.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 22, 2015, 06:35:48 AM
Just like I predicted LOL

me: “I know your next response won't be that intellectual regarding real life scenarios “

you: “you are shooting blanks trying to defend the QEG scam .”

MarkE so predictable...which makes me think, what type of ladder is this guy climbing in a real life reality? hehehehe

WHAT is your HopeGuy? = based on your intelligence you should be able to prescribe a pill to save money to any person being robbed by big brother? Right?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 22, 2015, 06:37:18 AM
You don't understand how climbing a ladder works in the mind do you? You climb and climb then hit a road block which you may fall and die but the climbing never stops. The QEG is just a step in the ladder to climb….BUT WAIT...what is this ladder for? To climb over a roof to repair an HVAC unit or to climb and get a cat down from a tree? Why do we need ladders in this life? Are you climbing a ladder yourself or do you like to stay put static?

We have two things going on here with your “intelligence” 1)you want a QEG for free spoon fed 2)you don't understand corruption, which your stance for that is that the QEG is corrupted...so doing the math, your ladder does not make sense….if you want to find JUSTICE against corruption, how do you feel about this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Sheindlin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judith_Sheindlin)

Basically judge judy makes 45 million a year BUT only works for 52 days (imagine how much money the producers are making and the CEO?)…..explain the logic and justification regarding that justice and well being for the people, NOW, and this is important, COMPARE the injustice of her earnings with the “earnings” of the QEG?

Sometimes you need to get out of your bubble bro :P

I know your next response won't be that intellectual regarding real life scenarios, but it is what it is the truth of all ladders always prevails :)

Joel:

Please get real here.  Either you do not know how real business works or, you are just trying to act stupid.  Judge Judy does not hold a gun to anyone's head to get paid what she gets.  She gets ratings, which are closely monitored, and her pay is based upon that.  The producers sell advertising based upon these rates.  So, she earns her pay.  If only 3 people watched her show...she would be fired.  They are not paying her this money because they like her.  She makes money for them, a lot of money.

Please take a remedial business class before making any more posts like this one.  Business is business.  You will call it greed.  But, how many folks that work on her set are getting paid and have a job?  The advertisers make money also, otherwise they would not do it.  So, all of the folks that work for those companies also get paid.  They can all feed their families.  Do you not want them to do that?  Do you want everyone to be unemployed?

I find it comical that you think the JB Weld folks are selling a product that cures under water (millions of sales) that does not cure under water UNLESS you see it happening.

Please take a remedial chemistry class before accusing them of selling something that can not work unless you see it work.  It does work.  I have used it and so have millions of others.  So, I guess you will continue to claim that no epoxy can cure under water?

I can buy you some and send it to you and you can see for yourself.  But,  I can't afford to finance your stupidity.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 22, 2015, 07:17:05 AM
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Please get real here.  Either you do not know how real business works or, you are just trying to act stupid.  Judge Judy does not hold a gun to anyone's head to get paid what she gets.  She gets ratings, which are closely monitored, and her pay is based upon that.  The producers sell advertising based upon these rates.  So, she earns her pay.  If only 3 people watched her show...she would be fired.  They are not paying her this money because they like her.  She makes money for them, a lot of money.

Please take a remedial business class before making any more posts like this one.  Business is business.  You will call it greed.  But, how many folks that work on her set are getting paid and have a job?  The advertisers make money also, otherwise they would not do it.  So, all of the folks that work for those companies also get paid.  They can all feed their families.  Do you not want them to do that?  Do you want everyone to be unemployed?

This is coming from a guy that works TWO jobs to put food on the table and is all set and done with social security pay checks? :P

Plus, you don't understand how advertising commercials work since they are there to brain wash you to the point that you don't know what is right and what is wrong...you just keep on buying and buying you figuring out what works and what is just a bunch of HYPE to make a profit. Remember ShamWow?

Bill, you need to differentiate between what is writen on paper and what is the real life scenarios. Which right now you are trying very hard to make someone understand that your BELIEFS are the ULTIMATE 100% to follow but the LADDER does not make sense in the climbing your mental path!

Why are you not making 4 mill (or 1 mill) a year by working only two month a year? As a matter of fact, you can't see the MEDIA manipulation in that example! There is no justice in that? That is just taking advantage of a loop hole which a lot of greeedy people take advantage off...again, why do you work two jobs to put food on the table if you understand what is going on there? :P

Let me guess, you want to be told that you are right to get chocolate chip cookies and a glass of milk? = selfish (unable to look at different ladders in the world = equality truth!)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 22, 2015, 08:00:04 AM
This is coming from a guy that works TWO jobs to put food on the table and is all set and done with social security pay checks? :P

Plus, you don't understand how advertising commercials work since they are there to brain wash you to the point that you don't know what is right and what is wrong...you just keep on buying and buying you figuring out what works and what is just a bunch of HYPE to make a profit. Remember ShamWow?

Bill, you need to differentiate between what is writen on paper and what is the real life scenarios. Which right now you are trying very hard to make someone understand that your BELIEFS are the ULTIMATE 100% to follow but the LADDER does not make sense in the climbing your mental path!

Why are you not making 4 mill (or 1 mill) a year by working only two month a year? As a matter of fact, you can't see the MEDIA manipulation in that example! There is no justice in that? That is just taking advantage of a loop hole which a lot of greeedy people take advantage off...again, why do you work two jobs to put food on the table if you understand what is going on there? :P

Let me guess, you want to be told that you are right to get chocolate chip cookies and a glass of milk? = selfish (unable to look at different ladders in the world = equality truth!)

I have no idea what you are talking about Joel.  I receive no money from the government...social security or otherwise.  Where do you get these ideas of yours?  I make as much money as I want/need.

What do you mean...."written on paper"?  Are you still insisting that JB Weld will not work underwater because they claim it does?  What part of I have used it underwater before do you not understand?

I am going to give up on you Joel.  Profits to you are evil yet, the profit motive is what has brought ALL of the great advances of our society.  All of them.  Someone invented and marketed and sold the toilet paper that you use.  Should they have done that for free?  Why would they?  Should the hard working folks at the toilet paper factory also work for free?  What sort of dream world do you live in Joel?  You need toilet paper so, all of those folks should work for free...is that it Joel?  Is this really how you look at life?

I feel very, very sad for you.  Just look around at the products that you use and tell me which ones would still be available if no one made any money for thinking of them, producing them, and selling them.  Should they all have done so for free just so you can use them?  Now it is you that sound greedy Joel.  I mean, really, you want all of these people to work for nothing just so you can have free products?  What I like to call "The real world" does not work like this Joel.  Maybe one day you can learn this.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 22, 2015, 09:22:52 AM
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I have no idea what you are talking about Joel.  I receive no money from the government...social security or otherwise.  Where do you get these ideas of yours?  I make as much money as I want/need.

MAN OH MAN, just tell me how much you make an hour? Pffft! You will get a very quick idea after you mention that!

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What do you mean...."written on paper"?  Are you still insisting that JB Weld will not work underwater because they claim it does?  What part of I have used it underwater before do you not understand?

OH bill bill bill, does not know the difference between peak watts VS RMS watts in a speaker, = same difference. Bill does not understand the difference between written on paper and real life...ah WELLL!!!

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I am going to give up on you Joel.  Profits to you are evil yet, the profit motive is what has brought ALL of the great advances of our society.  All of them.  Someone invented and marketed and sold the toilet paper that you use.  Should they have done that for free?  Why would they?  Should the hard working folks at the toilet paper factory also work for free?  What sort of dream world do you live in Joel?  You need toilet paper so, all of those folks should work for free...is that it Joel?  Is this really how you look at life?

Many smart people have given up on you already bill. LOL which I should learn from them. What do you have to teach to world? NOTHING! Not even in the evolution of ideas! One last question I have for you intelligent Bill, tel me how the money system works?

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I feel very, very sad for you.  Just look around at the products that you use and tell me which ones would still be available if no one made any money for thinking of them, producing them, and selling them.  Should they all have done so for free just so you can use them?  Now it is you that sound greedy Joel.  I mean, really, you want all of these people to work for nothing just so you can have free products?  What I like to call "The real world" does not work like this Joel.  Maybe one day you can learn this.

Bill you need to understand that GREEED puts a price on everything and anything….to learn something = pay money. To get electricity = pay money. To eat food, pay money. To buy a piece of land, pay money.

How many property taxes are you paying for your dirt property?

I'm just the type of person that goes straight to the root! NO SUGAR COATING ANYTHING NO IF AND WHATS ABOUT IT...point blank ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE ROOTS!

Now I’m sure you are not living a 100% happy life with money! I KNOW!!! If you know so much about other stuff, how have you solved your problems regarding MONEY? I'm sure you don't have $30,000 US dollars in the bank?

I feel sad for you and the reason I fight for injustice, to FIGHT AGAIST THE INJUSTACE. If you feel like a person that does not need help, then GOOD FOR YOU but based on the way you speak here, you need lots of help or just someone to make you laugh to get by the hard times! ← pretty easy to see.

lol, i thought i had logged out of this forum...then i saw i was still logged in and saw bill pity response which i responded to and can respond to all his blah blah blah lol.

Bill is the ULTIMATE intelligence to response to right? lol (seriously, I laughed out loud)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 22, 2015, 01:03:26 PM
Just like I predicted LOL

me: “I know your next response won't be that intellectual regarding real life scenarios “

you: “you are shooting blanks trying to defend the QEG scam .”

MarkE so predictable...which makes me think, what type of ladder is this guy climbing in a real life reality? hehehehe

WHAT is your HopeGuy? = based on your intelligence you should be able to prescribe a pill to save money to any person being robbed by big brother? Right?
Now you have lowered your rhetoric to personal attack.  Nice.  Through all of this you have offered no evidence, (because there isn't any) that the QEG claims of either Thrapp, or the Robitailles are true.  They claim, they collect money, they eventually go away.  They never deliver.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Paul-R on August 22, 2015, 01:23:42 PM

This sums up the situation effectively:

http://www.cawh.000a.biz/special.htm
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pomodoro on August 22, 2015, 02:06:13 PM
And I thought the New Age forums were full of nutters, OU seems to attract just as many.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on August 22, 2015, 04:40:09 PM

I thought how my response would look like, if I was to answer the  questions by myself.

just tell me how much you make an hour?

I do not work for anyone apart  for me so I make per given hour nothing or few thousand ( several thousands), and there is  no steady  average every year is different.
I'm not wealthy person.
conclusion:
It is always better to be paid for your brain power than for your muscles power.
 
the difference between peak watts VS RMS watts in a speaker,


"root mean square.": A DC voltage that will produce the same heating effect (power output in Watts) as the AC voltage. For a sine wave, the RMS value is equal to 0.707 times the peak value of an AC voltage. Example: divide Peak-to-Peak by 2 (or in half) and multiple by 0.707 = RMS voltage.
speaker's power rating - is just thermal rigidity- how much AC over time can coil withhold before it gets  damaged. 


peak watts :
that confusing  term is not  specified enough.
Peak stands for maximum  amplitude in given time frame.
Peak power stands for maximum voltage times current in time frame( frequency of  given shape  of the impulse is based on time  frame)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKJckyqo0vc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKJckyqo0vc)  - might help a little (but the guy talks just to  to average Joe)
wattsPMPO (peak music power output) - no international standards set.  commercially used  B.S just forget about it.



tell me how the money system works?
I do not know.
I have rough idea.
Based on today's oil price everything is  wealthy guys BS.
National depth is BS as well. Rich can do the tricks with it and it can change its  form based on their own comfort.
They did it with  oil prices and that  says something.
Ukraine is the reason for us benefiting on low energy cost.
They do not give a s...t about Ukraine. But it is comfortable for them to  get this excuse.
The truth is.
Greed made work places -technology to go to Asia( China) and people do not have  work and  money to spend  even for that  s... t from China.
The only what they can do is low the energy cost, to preserve system of more comfortable "slaves" form revolting.
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/everything-rich-man-trick/ (http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/everything-rich-man-trick/)
The money is mechanism  pushing you to work.
Thanks to that mechanism world is progressing for benefit of wealthy.
You guys get only illusion of  better life. For rich  you are  nobody special.
Just  like hammer  that is not being disposed as long as there is application, or no other  solution was invented.

you need to understand that GREEED puts a price on everything and anything….to learn something = pay money. To get electricity = pay money. To eat food, pay money. To buy a piece of land, pay money.
Very true.
Greed is  a future  of human race and human as individual.
We need greed to survive.
FE is to important  for humanity  so lets place greed much far from it.




How many property taxes are you paying for your dirt property?
I do not understand the question, What is dirt property.

I'm just the type of person that goes straight to the root!
I'm not.
calling publicly  prostitute "a prostitute",  might be  very intimidating to her.
She knows who she is.
Does anyone from you, need to be pointed by someone else finger at your deficiencies ?

I’m sure you are not living a 100% happy life with money!
I'm sure you don't have $30,000 US dollars in the bank?
Yes I do not live happy life with money. Very few  people does. World progress  is based on that unhappiness.
Yes I do not have 30K in the bank. One of the most stupid ways of losing the money is keep it in the bank.


My friend has over 70k in the bank. He got heart attack.
If he had no more than $14700 in the bank  he could  qualify for medicaid. that covers everything.
No matter how big is the bill (in hundreds or millions) ,- end  bill for hospital  will be adjusted to few hundreds dollars at most.
But if you are, say 73y old, no family and no  house,
they can take from you the  rest of the money you saved in your life,
only because you have been stupid enough to have your savings in the bank.
He is about to go out of hospital, after 23 days and bill to pay  might be over 200k. I will see  how it goes for him.
So what, that he is alive, where he is going to go? to be  in shelter after that?
Anyhow very  good education.



Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 23, 2015, 06:16:04 AM
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I thought how my response would look like, if I was to answer the  questions by myself.

No problem we always learn something new each day, that is how to move forward.

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It is always better to be paid for your brain power than for your muscles power.

I agree with this since having mental power is rare in this vast media confusion of sponge bob square pants. This I have mentioned before that keeping people on a low mental intelligence level is more profitable than teaching them “how to fish”.

The reason I asked that question is because there is a 180* in the mental thinking between the both. The person that is struggling with money will never understand the mentality of that one that finds making money is easy and vise verse, the one making money easy does not understand the struggles of the pay check to paycheck mentality.

I agree with you sir.

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"root mean square.": A DC voltage that will produce the same heating effect (power output in Watts) as the AC voltage. For a sine wave, the RMS value is equal to 0.707 times the peak value of an AC voltage. Example: divide Peak-to-Peak by 2 (or in half) and multiple by 0.707 = RMS voltage.
speaker's power rating - is just thermal rigidity- how much AC over time can coil withhold before it gets  damaged. 


peak watts :
that confusing  term is not  specified enough.
Peak stands for maximum  amplitude in given time frame.
Peak power stands for maximum voltage times current in time frame( frequency of  given shape  of the impulse is based on time  frame)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKJckyqo0vc  - might help a little (but the guy talks just to  to average Joe)
wattsPMPO (peak music power output) - no international standards set.  commercially used  B.S just forget about it.

I'm a music fan. I know the basics about 1,2,4,8ohms speakers and mono,4 channel amplifiers. Hey, how about those old tube amplifiers that costs like $5,000 USD. I'm not that far to be an audiophile though but I know my intermediate definitions. Actually RMS is kind of becoming standard now to the public...even till right now in the year 2015 most people look at the PEAK power of 25000 watts when in reality it is 150RMS, and like your video shows, RMS is not really 150 watts true.

I was just trying to imply that in the audiophile side of things, peak watts is a cash cow.

Now aside from that, I would really like to buy tweeters made from this technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device

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http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/everything-rich-man-trick/
The money is mechanism  pushing you to work.
Thanks to that mechanism world is progressing for benefit of wealthy.
You guys get only illusion of  better life. For rich  you are  nobody special.
Just  like hammer  that is not being disposed as long as there is application, or no other  solution was invented.

First I would like to say that I’m not rich by any means and struggle to make money just like the average hard working person, SECOND wow dude you just DUG DEEP in how things work with that video. 99.9% of the people don't understand what is going on there because they don't know the answer to it so they just kind of do a human self defense mechanism and make a joke out of it instead of trying to find a solution for it. This is what bothers me really...most AVERAGE people will fight you over and over again with humor! Their only solution is to poke fun of what they can't understand and I understand is their self defense mechanism but I also understand is that they are programmed to be this way so they can waste more money on goods = keep them stupid. This video is really an eye opening to a lot of things that could really make a 180* turn to the economy if most people can understand this and protest against it...but most are stuck on jbwelding stuff.

That video you posted showsss ALOT of real RAW hard truth regarding the economy and how the world turns. TOO much information for the average person to understand. But then, after watching that, one needs to come out with a solution? What is the solution to such corruptness of GREEED?

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Greed is  a future  of human race and human as individual.

What I mean by GREEED is that is a filter of true reality...IOW, money is a virtual reality with no benefits to society but just benefits to the one collecting money. It's like a cancer basically. A mental cancer of “corruption corrupts absolutely” and living by that disregarding humans lives and how the scientific EVOLUTION really works. I have thought about how billionaires/millionaires are compared to the evolution of life...they are willing to kill people to get their pockets full of money but BY DOING THAT< THE EARTH DOES NOT BENEFIT AT ALL = no evolution what so ever. Then GREEED is just a metal psychological disease that is like an addict ruling the world. This is why the 7th  great extinction is coming soon. Those greedy people think that OU is to take advantage of people for profit when OU is to keep the evolution of this earth going...this CANNOT happen for a long time, it's just mathematically and logically impossible. How can you convert water into money?

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Does anyone from you, need to be pointed by someone else finger at your deficiencies ?

I'll love that! By my statistics mostly chubby people will be pointing their chubby fingers at me. :)

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Yes I do not live happy life with money. Very few  people does.

The key for profit is to keep everyone stupid mostly. = unhappy. When it comes to hospital stuff, there are two 1) genetic 2) stupidity. I was born genetically ½ color blind, has never come up when taking an eye exam because them people with 20/20 color vision will make it seem like they are better then you are. DUDE! Ask random people your meat about how to cure the flu virus and you will hear stuff like if you where talking to a 6 year old...that's how stupid the general people are and that is how the GREEED likes them, nice and stupid to profit from them. When they get old and sick that stuff could have been prevented if taught in the early years of their life NOPE more profit for big pharmacy!

Sorry to hear about your friend though...the stress of one about to die or waiting for a donor just lowers the confidence of one to the dirt.

See ya wesley snipes
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 23, 2015, 07:35:39 AM
if only the qeg wasn't a scam.
a medically dysfunctional group set themselves dedicated to focusing on disinformation in the name of their own criminally motivated profits,
and willing to walk all over then wipe their feet on the most poor and neediest in order to reach their goals. (morroccan well pump in poor town never installed, yet)


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on August 23, 2015, 09:32:26 PM

Now aside from that, I would really like to buy tweeters made from this technology https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_Range_Acoustic_Device)

Thank you for the link.
I know most if not all about  physics  behind it.
I was not aware about extend  of possible applications. 
I believe  that  injuring people  hearing  permanently is crime,
There is no  judicial form of punishment  in modern   world to be compared to   Hammurabi law-Babylonian law.
These people/ methods  are savages



Wesley

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 24, 2015, 12:39:23 AM
if only the qeg wasn't a scam.
a medically dysfunctional group set themselves dedicated to focusing on disinformation in the name of their own criminally motivated profits,
and willing to walk all over then wipe their feet on the most poor and neediest in order to reach their goals. (morroccan well pump in poor town never installed, yet)

If only.  I agree.  But, it is a scam and these folks seem to be marching merrily on.  I do believe in karma so, maybe one day, it will catch up with them.

We can only hope. (Girl)

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 25, 2015, 06:16:42 AM
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Thank you for the link.
I know most if not all about  physics  behind it.
I was not aware about extend  of possible applications. 
I believe  that  injuring people  hearing  permanently is crime,
There is no  judicial form of punishment  in modern   world to be compared to   Hammurabi law-Babylonian law.

One has to understand the GREEEDY side of things and the psychological side of what motivates people to harm others based on people that are viewed as having more money that dictates them to tell you what to do for their benefit (not for society).

The technology in it of itself is not bad, the bad part about it is that it is manipulated/abused by the corrupted minds to fight virtual wars. = fight for land = greed.

That technology is not different than a laser, radar, microwaves, or just a simple flashlight reflector. One can easily make a laser in the light wave that can irritate the skin to burn too...but one can also use the same technology for BENEFITS in society instead of it using it to harm people.

Yes we love to understand these type of devices and that is our evolution in the mind. To come up with greater things to benefit the world with our earths resources BUT all of that is to EVOLVE and not to fight wars.

Even though the QEG may seem like they are taking advantage of people, the root of it all is just misunderstanding...all around you bigger people are taking advantage of you that you are so accustomed too that you are brainwashed to see them as normal. In a self defense mechanism, you will attack the wrong people for what the unconscious mind is feeling. This is why a lot of people fight and a lot of people get killed over...MONEY=CORRUPTION=GREED! Why 60% of marriages fail. Why many dictators in the past created slavery and some kings had over 200 wives lol ...look back in the history of money corruption and how some kings had 200 wives (even more).

At any rate, the QEG people are nothing compared to the real corruption of society! They are in fact victims of such corruption...one does not know 100% that their item does not work due to this FILTER of corruption, for all we know is that it may work but who out there is going to make it available for cheap? But the whole path from their beginning, they could just have becomed CEOs of a company and get away with it with out a peep from these people = the CEO make money to benefit society? Lol

It is rare for people to look at all (or mostly 60% angles) one can view of any given situation. Most are very very very low in the IQ 'cause it has been put in the path of life that one can only pay for truth and that truth is what they decide to teach you weather it is for the benefit of society or not does not matter (mostly for their profit)...you just pay to do your job in your own little bobble of a small group.

But yeah, going back to how that "speaker" works, here it is how it works (give or take) http://science.howstuffworks.com/lrad.htm/printable
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 25, 2015, 11:15:08 AM
Thank you for the link.
I know most if not all about  physics  behind it.
I was not aware about extend  of possible applications. 
I believe  that  injuring people  hearing  permanently is crime,
There is no  judicial form of punishment  in modern   world to be compared to   Hammurabi law-Babylonian law.
These people/ methods  are savages



Wesley


wow, the hammurabi law would not allow for much time spent between taking care of business and letting scamming theives try to run their coarse. perhaps they were a little extreme in their forms of punishment, some of them downright brutal.

never the less, they probably did not have too many scammers willing to act so boldly as the qeg team back in that era.
though maybe installing 10 wells in 10 different poor peoples towns would not be such a bad idea after all as a form of restitution.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on August 25, 2015, 08:08:05 PM
In so many  different FE devices coming from so many different regions there is some pattern visible to train eye of one skilled in general  art of it.


Russia and former  Soviet Empire  Countries.:
Kapanadze like device.
or one of three concept devices  known as electrostatic


Three  different concept   directions in FE.
1 electrostatic
2. magnetic
3. Nuclear


FE (Free Energy) is known also  under the name OU (overunity devices)


Australia
2.magnetic





South America
1 electrostatic , magnetic.[/size]


 North America is mostly
1 electrostatic as well.
however  different forms  of magnetic  concept : e.g. Joseph Newman have been present here as well.





Europe is just "unknown gender"
over here , over there something from time to time.



Africa and most of  Asia is chronically " castrated" ( sterilized, fix) in area of FE.


concept 3 Nuclear  has a history from Hendershot 1924 to Colman 1956 starting  from 1901 by implementing  par of Thomas Edison patent of pencil battery.
I have  made summary of it in  video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Cvm_0XEjg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Cvm_0XEjg)
made in three different  languages.


In life of many of us there is a chance to get ugly  wealthy in no time.
I have got the chance   once I  have lost it due to my stupid ideological spinal cord.
Perfect deal  to me  to Arunas and to Aidas.
Exactly what you guys waiting for.
Exactly  one  hundred mill.  of euro, and I did not have to be traitor to the values I respect.
I have lost it  because I believed that Tariel Kapanadze has priority in art  and he should be beneficiary of the offer.
Generous payer was just big  company who makes money on  sale of news,  and not on devices and manufacturing.


Fricken Kapanadze is just waste life, who never  deserves such  glory.
Yes he is first who  introduced electrostatic device to the world in this extend.
Yes his device works.
other than that just another alcoholic with very limited horizons.
was I able to reverse a time. I would  never redirect attention of  interested media to TK.
TK would never  be elected to the honor  of being the hero for the  world.
What a shame.
TK- Having  perfect tool in your hands and blow it all.
 
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I'm playing with #3.
it is also easy to discourage people saying it is nuclear.
Most of you and rest of the crowd does not even know what is  radioactivity. and that their kitchen salt is  radioactive, or their  granite countertop or floor is radioactive.


Rich man politics made you  to be afraid instead  of understanding radioactivity and nuclear processes .
Acid battery  in your car can be more dangerous than Colman.


There is a trick however.
I'm untouchable in this area.
Physics  says that frequency of 300-500MHz has to low energetic potential in eV  to  make photon of Electromagnetic  Wave to affect matter   as to alter it in its nuclear   form.
From the other hand I fall into the category of another lunatic dealing with FE.
Government  can not punish lunatics.


So I do work slowly and the progress is unknown and unspecified  for trolls  and other people because of that ...........as for now.




Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MarkE on August 25, 2015, 08:27:13 PM
In so many  different FE devices coming from so many different regions there is some pattern visible to train eye of one skilled in general  art of it.
Many claims come.  All of the claims to date have gone without a single one proving true. Quantity of claims is no measure of truth or falsity of claims.  If you don't believe that, I can readily connect you with many self professed corrupt Nigerian bank officials  looking to move security cases of money in Amsterdam.
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Russia and former  Soviet Empire  Countries.:
Kapanadze like device.
or one of three concept devices  known as electrostatic


Three  different concept   directions in FE.
1 electrostatic
2. magnetic
3. Nuclear


FE (Free Energy) is known also  under the name OU (overunity devices)


South America and North America is mostly
1 electrostatic as well.
however  different forms  of magnetic  concept : e.g. Joseph Newman have been present here as well.
Joe Newman is infamous for his claimed but not actual over unity devices.  A few years ago he was performing silly demonstrations in supermarket parking lots to people who don't understand batteries.
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Europe is just "unknown gender"
Africa and most of  Asia is chronically " castrated" ( sterilized, fix) in area of FE.


concept 3 Nuclear  has a history from Harrison 1924 to Colman 1956 starting  from 1901 by implementing  par of Thomas Edison patent of pencil battery.
I have  made summary of it in  video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Cvm_0XEjg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-Cvm_0XEjg)
made in three different  languages.


In life of many of us there is a chance to get ugly  wealthy in no time.
I have got the chance   once I  have lost it due to my stupid ideological spinal cord.
Perfect deal  to me  to Arunas and to Aidas.
Exactly what you guys waiting for.
Exactly  one  hundred mill.  of euro, and I did not have to be traitor to the values I respect.
I have lost it  because I believed that Tariel Kapanadze has priority in art  and he should be beneficiary of the offer.
Generous payer was just big  company who makes money on  sale of news,  and not on devices and manufacturing.


Fricken Kapanadze is just waste life, who never  deserves such  glory.
Yes he is first who  introduced electrostatic device to the world in this extend.
Yes his device works.
other than that just another alcoholic with very limited horizons.
was I able to reverse a time. I would  never redirect attention of  interested media to TK.
TK would never  be elected to the honor  of being the hero for the  world.
What a shame.
TK- Having  perfect tool in your hands and blow it all.
 
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I'm playing with #3.
it is also easy to discourage people saying it is nuclear.
Most of you and rest of the crowd does not even know what is  radioactivity. and that their kitchen salt is  radioactive, or their  granite countertop or floor is radioactive.


Rich man politics made you  to be afraid instead  of understanding radioactivity and nuclear processes .
Acid battery  in your car can be more dangerous than Colman.


There is a trick however.
I'm untouchable in this area.
Physics  says that frequency of 300-500MHz has to low energetic potential in eV  to  make photon of Electromagnetic  Wave to affect matter   as to alter it in its nuclear   form.
From the other hand I fall into the category of another lunatic dealing with FE.
Government  can not punish lunatics.


So I do work slowly and the progress is unknown and unspecified  for trolls  and other people because of that ...........as for now.




Wesley
Talk is cheap.  Devise an energy source that is actually cheaper and/or cleaner than what exists and the world can be your oyster then.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on August 25, 2015, 08:48:48 PM
Many claims come.  ................








I must agree with your comment:


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All of the claims to date have gone without a single one proving true.
Quantity of claims is no measure of truth or falsity of claims. 


Yes


however what is  the "single one proving true."
Was that me in TK house in Tbilisi  Georgia?

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Joe Newman is infamous for his claimed but not actual over unity devices.  A few years ago he was performing silly demonstrations in supermarket parking lots to people who don't understand batteries.


Yes
however  desperate people do desperate things  especially  when they have no choice and no option.
With time age takes toll on their thinking ability and that is why so many brains are just jerks with whatever is left from their  brilliant achievements.
BTW, Neuman was never  brain... he was just lucky experimenter.




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Talk is cheap.  Devise an energy source that is actually cheaper and/or cleaner than what exists and the world can be your oyster then.


Unclear  to me if there is any additional  "double meaning" of it hidden but


Yes







Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 25, 2015, 11:13:34 PM
When you were at the demonstration in Georgia, did anyone walk around outside and pull the all circuit breakers/fuses to Tariel's whole house?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on August 26, 2015, 04:58:24 AM
When you were at the demonstration in Georgia, did anyone walk around outside and pull the all circuit breakers/fuses to Tariel's whole house?
Demonstration was not in the house but in garage that was on the same street around few hundred meters  from TK apartment.
TK does not have house.
He has  one room with kitchen in the same room and  bathroom as separate  room.
His son have house .
We again start to put in question  TK  ............
Put God in question and still there will be Vatican ..............

Fool me around is next to impossible.
I'm just to good  in it.
Can it be that there is magician who is able to do so and I would not be able to detect it?
The answer is  :
The chance is as slim as me being hit by meteor in the same fashion as this one.
Russian Meteorite Explosion! 2013
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX0oRfj3Hd4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX0oRfj3Hd4)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor)


Think about it this way:
I start to invest in my lab in 2010.
Hundreds of hours spend  digging for the best and get it.
Hundreds of hours spend to let know scientific community  friendly to me, that I need it, an convince them to help me in many cases  get it for free.
But majority of expenses that made me collect over 400 instruments happened  after my return from  Tbilisi.
If I was secretly, privately, "intimately" suspecting hoax, would I go for  big time lab afterwords ?
do not I have more ideas what to do i life than "defend  dead body"?
do I  have to masturbate my brain over piece of junk  on the table and hundreds of devices around.
do I have to get mental  orgasmic satisfaction  undressing   revelations  of FE.


There is another alternative.
 Give me money and I deliver  working device into  the   doorstep  of your front door.
But that does not suit me, and does not require me to be there.
Any honest man who  has resources on hand  and is driven by idea of  helping  humanity "no matter what" ,can spend his time to convince Ruslan, and plenty of others to give it away using all ray of methods  from extreme positive to extreme negative one.
Your problem  guys is lack of comfort for experimenting without sacrificing your personal needs to survive till tomorrow.
Your problem guys is that you can not afford to pay to someone to prepare to you bench with  hundreds of different   experimental versions of the same.
Your problem guys is that you  most of you can not afford to pay  for parts .
Your problem guys is that you are enslaved yourself to the system , by getting married and having children.
All you can mostly do  by now, is just go to work, and come from work  and dream....
or wait  till you retire to have time but not much money.
Your grandchildren  will likely try to take advantage of whatever your have
and in many cases your married and working children  will likely  put on you a lot of duties  you just happened already  to forget about ( with kids)
Now they have vacations and good time and you are just piece of something  that was once decision maker in the family and now is just and old man..


I have a lot of respect to  sexual orientation.
But just simple  to notice  fact is that  couples without children are getting  very successful/ rich, wealthy in no time.
Politicians and  other institutions do a lot for them just  because they have money.. and their votes counts in election very well.












Wesley
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on August 27, 2015, 02:29:30 AM
http://sploid.gizmodo.com/the-cool-science-behind-how-the-lexus-hoverboard-works-1726583588


Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 27, 2015, 03:03:25 AM
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Fool me around is next to impossible.
I'm just to good  in it.
Can it be that there is magician who is able to do so and I would not be able to detect it?
The answer is  :
The chance is as slim as me being hit by meteor in the same fashion as this one.

It is exactly this arrogant attitude that makes you so easy to fool.


You are "so good in it"... you have all your equipment and all your experience, and you've been exposed to all these "self runners" personally, and you've explained them all ... yet you have never made one yourself. It's not too hard for objective observers to figure out why you haven't been successful.


So the demonstration took place in a garage rather than in someone's shared home ... that doesn't answer my question and you know it. Did you bother to _remove all power to the garage_? How can you be so sure? You can't.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on August 27, 2015, 04:13:40 AM
It is exactly this arrogant attitude that makes you so easy to fool.


You are "so good in it"... you have all your equipment and all your experience, and you've been exposed to all these "self runners" personally, and you've explained them all ... yet you have never made one yourself. It's not too hard for objective observers to figure out why you haven't been successful.


So the demonstration took place in a garage rather than in someone's shared home ... that doesn't answer my question and you know it. Did you bother to _remove all power to the garage_? How can you be so sure? You can't.


Very offensive comment you have made.
The answer is: I did not.
I have made sure that  device I'm holding in my hands is  not powered by any external  power supply.




Let me now  redirect the same to you- just the same logic, and  the same  philosophy .
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 Dear.TinselKoala
 Your drill in your house is not connected to the grid and It does not work.........
Did you manage to disconnect  electricity in your own house to make sure that your drill still will not   work and to make sure that  it will not  start  for some reason to work........


Example  #1:
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yet you have never made one yourself.
Tell me how many airplane mechanics examining airplane for its functional performance have build
 that airplane by themselves?

Are they bad mechanics if they did not?
or the are, not so good in it?

Example#2:
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yet you have never made one yourself.
Let's say you questioning random professional in magnetic about the LexusHoverboard  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08pSoZMUT10 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08pSoZMUT10)
and than you questioning random amateur physics fascinate  about the LexusHoverboard
What is the chance that the first man  will give you more incorrect answer, than the random amateur physics fascinate?



It is the same as me asking you:
 what physical phenomenon was utilized in that  device and what is the name of  this  phenomenon other than frozen  ,magnetic flux..
To help you out I  give you the first word - "effect".
That is exactly  difference between you and me.
However there is certain margin of error- of me underestimating your ability to explain it,and yet you might not be able to  give me the right  answer.
So even if the question is relatively easy to answer
the margin  of error is no way to be compared with
" error margin of professional driver"

Got it now?


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From Wesley to TinselKoala :

What sentence is more polite  to you?
sentence #1:Man you need  to fly really very high to shoot me down..
sentence #2:Man I suggest you  to fly really very high altitude with me.







In the statement  I have made   in my post
I have included margin of error.
But  your arrogant thinking simply dismissed it.




I'm not God ,
and
If I'm very good professional buss driver,I'm expected to be  prepared to deal with the biggest number of situations in my  job.
Take simple math.
How many people in the buss, and on the street I must be in contact with during month of September of my 30 year of work  ( eye,attention,driving force range, and so on..)
.......... to be fooled by  very particular one of  them   in my very next ride on Jamaica Ave in Queens New York.
He has  placed into machine fake passenger  pass.( ticket)
In New York  it is unlikely to fool  the  credit cart, the  machine, and that professional driver  by the guy who did it already  number of times.



there are so many "Buss Drivers" and only one TK. They report every incident so it can not be repeated endlessly again and again.
What is the chance that he is going to fool me after he did it to so many guys with deep pocket before..
the trick is good only  for limited number of times
 exactly like  the Lexus Hoverboard... so easy mechanism and yet   It was  need for  Lexus to pay to German inventor to  redirect rights to technology  that is so obvious. Superconductivity  in High temperatures  was known for so many years before.( over 20 years)
So why not TinselKoala
or why not Wesley




Paper clip........ so  simple so easy  So why not TinselKoala
or why not Wesley


Are you TinselKoala
 so primitive that you can not even  bend piece of wire  to the form of a  paper clip?


That is why you have never win big lotto .
Because for you winning lotto is unlikely to happened. ( as is for me)




So that is my margin of error.
I'm not foolish and not arrogant.
At least not yet, and not yet to you...


The chance of me changing my attitude is more likely to happened, than me being fooled  by  TK or anyone  else...








Again I repeat.
you questioning TK..........


Start to question God and you will still  have Vatican.


Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 27, 2015, 09:03:17 AM
MarkE, what is your “honest” belief about ALIENS? UFOs? Little “green” men from outer space? Or any life outside this earth?

I seriously don't want to insult nobody but I just want to understand the intelligence of what one intelligent thinks/beliefs about ALIENS!

You should know that there are like three theories regarding them right? I just have a feeling that you don't have not thought that far out in the future, and if you have not, I’m sorry to say you cannot predict stuff at all. :P like talking to a little baby about tellitubbies.

Please don't disappoint in the thinking 10 years into the future 'cause so far, your lazy answers are disappointing :P = as to jbweld a rubber band.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Acca on August 27, 2015, 09:40:47 AM
Wesley glad that you are still following your bliss..

It's money that most people have little off to buy the needed parts to make things to happen ...

Try a permanent magnet motor made by Powertec ...

You need a 20 hp at least, has a ferrite magnet core, has a "y" 3 phase 24 vac. rotate shaft at 30 rpm

you will get 40 amps x 3 phase - 120 amps x 24vac -2.8 kw.

The effort to turn the shaft is only 25 foot pound.. Soo something stinks here ...fish from head down..

As the load is 12,  500 watt halogen bulbs, rotating shaft,  the torque on the shaft is reduced as the load is taken ..

Now this does NOT happen with a neo magnet core ... only with an iron / boron magnets this happens..

Try ebay for the " powertec motor"....

p.s.motors are heavy 700 lbs with a 2 3/8" shaft..  this is a brushless dc motor not a brush type and not a servo.

Acca..
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Hoppy on August 27, 2015, 12:12:14 PM

Fool me around is next to impossible.
I'm just to good  in it.
Can it be that there is magician who is able to do so and I would not be able to detect it?
The answer is  :
The chance is as slim as me being hit by meteor in the same fashion as this one.

Wesley
 

Wesley,

I admire your confidence.  8)

Maybe you've been face to face with a very good one.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on August 27, 2015, 01:23:55 PM
Wesley,

I admire your confidence.  8)

Maybe you've been face to face with a very good one.


Interesting comment.
suppose I did.


Again,,,, the probability equation:
It works for lottery so  casinos and governments  can make bigger money on it than on tax they collect.
So why this probability equation  philosophy will not work in TK case.








There are so many variables TK  had to be aware  of:
-aware of  the fact that to  fool  former high level generals of Turk Army ( co-owners of TMZ) is equal to be killed.
-aware of the fact that  ministry of finance of " country of birds  called Turks" designated 2.5 mill. that was withdrew in small portions in cash till 2008 and  by that
-aware of fact that   fooling around with  such  high profile  Dacks is  dangerous, as  most of the Birds are corrupted and the only way to get away with it , is finish up the source of the problem -TK.
-aware of the fact that despite collapse of TMZ there was in time frame 2007 till 2008  very important  Turkish guy name : TURK
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Turk was a patent attorney who was so sure that TK device works that he decided to make international patent application and pay all of the fee required from his own packet , in exchange for TK assigning 50% of future profit from any future activity of TK to  Mr. Turk.
Mr Turk was close to TMZ team but independent.
He was hired at first to examine possibility of patent to be made to TMZ.
After TMZ money  was gone he decided to deal with TK on his own.

-away that trick will not work any longer as people  learn the trick pattern.
-away that number of variations is limited.
-away that dealing with Russian can be  even  more dangerous when it comes to scam
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Example:
I was poisoned by the same entity that TK was dealing  with (30k euro) From Riga Latvia.
They have been the guys who payed  for TK and  his crew expenses. (accommodation and trip from Riga Latvia to  Prague , hotel Opera for (2 out of 3 guys)
It was their way to control TK as every single bank transaction must of be first approved,  every time  TK ask for money.
Riga guys did not have problem to pay TK expenses but they did not want  for TK to have money on hand so they did not pay TK before the project is finished.
typical Russian way to keep TK dependent.



TK friends:


TK always have  had  few  guys with  him  called "Friends".( usually heavy drinkers as well)
they supposed to be TK friends but  some of them accepted Lima's money to spy on TK  as well.That is how information on my  trip  to Prague was delivered to them.
TK ( alcoholic) suppose to meet  american (Wesley) However if  Wesley does not come there was another Czech  business guy that never showed up.( I have spoken to him  later on he said that TK was impossible to deal with in his alcoholic amok  at that time.)


So I was poisoned only to be eliminated as " possible  cause of interference"  ( based on  testimony of Koba  nick name David -  one of TK crew of 3 He  was later on paid  by me and decided to give me inside of How that big Riga's chocolate business  works - easy to find name , to big to be not found)
That was enough for Russian to evaluate me as to  be killed.
They have been professionals in sweat food manufacturing .

Quote
I was not yet interfering with their  businesses.
I Was just approaching TK for the first time.
and let me stress it  again:
That was enough for them to  decide about my life or death.


That was also  big expense to  Riga's company
 "of sweet taste murderers"  Guys fallowing me in Prague, guy in the airplane  poisoning food, guys in airport trying to stop me from flying  back (24h delay I was  rejected entry  by crew of that  terminal as I was " to late in gate".)
It turns out that this  particular terminal crew did  not coordinated in their action, with airport administration, And  that explains why everyone from them have been so nervous when dealing with me.( It could be action on their own just known to some guys from that terminal)
However 24 hours later even that I was one of first passengers at the luggage deposit of airlines downstairs, trying to get to the gate, There was  a person in uniform , who spot me before I was able to get to   the cashier. She  ask me  for passport while I was still in line, and than  put sticker to my passport directing me to immediately live the line and go upstairs.
In the gate I was taken to special control room ( opposite to the gate tunnel entrance) where 3  people  have been holding me till  the very end .
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While I was there, I have noticed again that all of them are very stressed and that is unlikely to be noticed in regular airport crew members behavior.
I start to protest (using  argument of contacting with american authorities) and that made them even more nervous, I  was watching   examinator  hands, and telling him that planting anything into my   suitcase will be very foolish move.
Eventually I was  allowed at very last moment to go out of the room, and than the lady  next to  the plane entrance who was not aware of anything   got invalid scan on my passport and ticket.
I protested again  and she said sorry , she just let me in..as if it was not working properly  scanner...
While I was inside the plane I was on  american territory and that was  just to much for Russian entity to deal with in   in such a short time. 
 

The reason I'm giving you all of that details is to show you:
- how  cheap is human life over there.
- how big was my determination to make me, go to TK son house and wait for  presentation instead   of just fallowing the typical to American
action.............. once I'm alive ......I save food for analysis, In Tbilisi go to authorities, stop all of passengers,  point with my finger to the guy who  planted the poison and sue Arline for damages along with  chocolate   company assassin.


I still remember   face of the "big boss" (that is the way Koba described the guy ,TK was dealing with ) waiting for me and TK out of the airport in Tbilisi.
That guy almost made himself comedy trying to read the tag on my suitcase while I loaded it to the car.
Than "big boss" took the front seat next to driver and I  was placed behind him with  TK son next to me.
He started to talk  Russian to me and I responded i  English.( "I do not speak Russian")
Than he switched to English,( not that bad in general)
Than he said that he is going to hotel and very next day  he needs to talk to TK.


Than I did not see TK for few days till the last day of my trip( That matches his behavior with other guys as well)
However there was significant change:
TK never charged me money.
TK was in very bad health ( most of the time  unconscious or drunk)
Drunk person can not  be perfect  in his tricks if any.








I wanted to see TK device instead of making big money on under-killed ( not perfectly  killed  Wesley)
And to be honest .....I  have thought  about it  thousands of times after that.
I have had all of them in that airport and that time  they have been in one place, and I  did not cash it out...For many of you, it would be   better  way to make money than  hunting TK and his "electricity  generator".
I assume I'm not traditional american afterwards.




Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Acca on August 27, 2015, 06:16:49 PM
Wesley any one reading this TK saga will not understand the methods that humans are capable of  real evil..

Chocolate is toxic to dogs...

so is the element polonium ingested as russians have done away with state opponents..

public forum is public and informants are here,  as a person of interest TK is always being watched...

cash money machines will be defended to the death .... oil, gas, nuclear power, etc...life sucks for most people..

Great account of " your trip" as I have been following this now since you bought your lab equipment,  Polish

scientists are the best, my father was also just such a man...   r.I.p. 2015

Acca...
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: a.king21 on August 27, 2015, 08:17:33 PM
http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US3913004


A colleague has got this working.
It is the real reactive power machine.


Eat your heart out Hope Girl scammers.


I advise you to really study the patent.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 28, 2015, 04:09:22 AM
http://www.google.co.uk/patents/US3913004


A colleague has got this working.
It is the real reactive power machine.


Eat your heart out Hope Girl scammers.


I advise you to really study the patent.

ya those scammers hopegirl and her dedicated non scientist little team. misinformation 'specialists' such as ones that keep showing up here to ask gb weld questions mixed with direct insults in this qeg forum.

the ones that were not scammers, were the ones who tried to exactly copy the so called 'open source' plans.
those people deserve a medal for effort. the ones that were not scammers tried their best with what information they had.
those are the people who mean well, not the scammers.




are you saying you have a friend who has been able to get over 100% efficiency?
and he did so by only following the 1975 patent in the link you provided?

sounds impressive! is he going to allow a respectable 3rd party tester to verify it just before people that mean well rush out to order building supplies?
that would be great!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 28, 2015, 04:16:28 AM
Wesley any one reading this TK saga will not understand the methods that humans are capable of  real evil..

Chocolate is toxic to dogs...

so is the element polonium ingested as russians have done away with state opponents..

public forum is public and informants are here,  as a person of interest TK is always being watched...

cash money machines will be defended to the death .... oil, gas, nuclear power, etc...life sucks for most people..

Great account of " your trip" as I have been following this now since you bought your lab equipment,  Polish

scientists are the best, my father was also just such a man...   r.I.p. 2015

Acca...

sorry to hear about your loss.
you're dad sounds like he was one of the coolest parents ever.
he sure was and still is a good influence for his kids.

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on August 28, 2015, 04:45:23 AM
sorry to hear about your loss.
you're dad sounds like he was one of the coolest parents ever.
he sure was and still is a good influence for his kids.


Acca my father was a teacher  he is now 84 and he is not so well.
I wish you the best.


Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 28, 2015, 08:34:26 AM
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Acca my father was a teacher  he is now 84 and he is not so well.
I wish you the best.

It is amazing how the human heart works...my dad use to mentally and physically abuse me till I was 21 years old (scorned me for life).

I emotionally don't care if he dies or if he lives...is not like I don't appreciate him (my mom) giving me life, but there is just too much negativity to appreciate the positive.

What I’m basically saying is that your dad is 84 and close to the end of his glorious life (human life expectancy) and you will miss him and you are part of his genetics, while I don't care if my dad died at the age of 18 yrs old. You know why? He use to hang me with a rope (literately) till I could not breathe and them let go. He use to beat my mom really bad. Basically he was my worse enemy! (he should have been my teacher) When I hear someone feeling bad that their dad is about to die I don't know how that would feel 'cause I never really loved my dad.

Although it may sound sad and all (I don't want pity) it kind of shows you how humans are very much influenced by feelings mostly, I guess that is what separates us humans from the “animals”.

But then there is this thing that I king of understand, DON'T BE INTIMIDATED BY ASSHOLES!

Really understating things is not hard at all! THE KEY IS TO FIGHT FOR THEM SO THEY WILL FIGHT FOR YOU. When other people where treating me better than my dad, I understood that we are all brothers...or, in a scientific term, social animals. = we are the same. = No need to fight who is better.  Only fight GREEED! CORRUPTION which tries to dehumanize humans.

IMO
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on August 28, 2015, 03:15:34 PM
That was short about me:

Guys  we will suceed
I wish you the best
I'm positive about it
Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 29, 2015, 03:57:15 AM
ya those scammers hopegirl and her dedicated non scientist little team. misinformation 'specialists' such as ones that keep showing up here to ask gb weld questions mixed with direct insults in this qeg forum.

the ones that were not scammers, were the ones who tried to exactly copy the so called 'open source' plans.
those people deserve a medal for effort. the ones that were not scammers tried their best with what information they had.
those are the people who mean well, not the scammers.




are you saying you have a friend who has been able to get over 100% efficiency?
and he did so by only following the 1975 patent in the link you provided?

sounds impressive! is he going to allow a respectable 3rd party tester to verify it just before people that mean well rush out to order building supplies?
that would be great!

First of all...it is JB Weld, not gb weld.  Second of all, what do you have against JB Weld?  It actually works and is not a scam like the QEG folks.

Misinformation?

HopeGirl takes the cake (not implying anything about her weight here) for that title.

I have never posted any misinformation anywhere at any time.  If you think otherwise, please show me where you think I have done so.  Please use actual quotes and dates when you do this.

Thank you.

Bill

PS  If you were not referring to me, then I apologize.  I have been touting the greatness of JB Weld but, that was only in response to Joel who likes to throw things away and buy new instead of fixing them, and thinks he is smart by doing so.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on August 29, 2015, 05:28:17 AM
First of all...it is JB Weld, not gb weld.  Second of all, what do you have against JB Weld?  It actually works and is not a scam like the QEG folks.

Misinformation?

HopeGirl takes the cake (not implying anything about her weight here) for that title.

I have never posted any misinformation anywhere at any time.  If you think otherwise, please show me where you think I have done so.  Please use actual quotes and dates when you do this.

Thank you.

Bill

PS  If you were not referring to me, then I apologize.  I have been touting the greatness of JB Weld but, that was only in response to Joel who likes to throw things away and buy new instead of fixing them, and thinks he is smart by doing so.

oops, spelling error.

JB Weld.

oh no appology needed, i could not direct my criticism towards you good sir.

you are a good person, rather than use your skills to take advantage of people, you choose to help guide them, and you've been doing so on here without asking for a dime.
with your conscience very much intact, you sleep nights knowing you are not a bad person.
making as a good role model, you give the troubled youth a better direction to venture toward.
they too can develop their own conscience towards others outside of their present narrow scope.
and you are doing a much better job of it than i ever could. please continue! =)

all the best
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on August 29, 2015, 06:14:37 AM
oops, spelling error.

JB Weld.

oh no appology needed, i could not direct my criticism towards you good sir.

you are a good person, rather than use your skills to take advantage of people, you choose to help guide them, and you've been doing so on here without asking for a dime.
with your conscience very much intact, you sleep nights knowing you are not a bad person.
making as a good role model, you give the troubled youth a better direction to venture toward.
they too can develop their own conscience towards others outside of their present narrow scope.
and you are doing a much better job of it than i ever could. please continue! =)

all the best

Well thank you but, I don't deserve that...but thanks just the same.  I do apologize for the fact that I had misread your posting.  I had thought that might be the case which is why I added my disclaimer at the end of my post.

You have my sincere apology and my thanks.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on August 29, 2015, 07:12:20 AM
Did anyone noticed how MarkE just ignored anything having to do with ALIENS? What do we know so far?

– sound waves can bend light.
--Neutrinos can pass through the most human known dense objects (even through diamonds?).
--The black holes can disintegrate all matter.
--the universe came from a “big bang”.
--A magnetic field needs an unbalance of magnetic fields to attract each other.
--our neurons in the brain are driven by electric pulses that carry a code (who can comprehend this?).
--ETC….ETC…

Based on all of this one can gather FROM every angle EVOLUTINARY, LIFE CHANGING, thoughts to move on forward 'cause we are on a path to LEARN. Just like time NEVER stops, the learning NEVER stops = there are billions of things yet to be discovered THE END OF STOPPING LEARNING IS WHEN MarkE CAN CREATE A GALAXY of his own! While he cannot, he CAN'T be the truth teller of a dynamic universe. :P

One just needs to look at the past and present to understand how the puzzle comes together with out ANYONE having to tell you how the whole puzzle comes together. And this is NOT and easy thing to do in a modern world where the young/old are manipulated by the media and the repetitiveness till you get tired of fighting for what is truth.

Now to this point, with very expensive equipment, do you think, MarkE, that Neutrinos are the ULTIMATE sub atomic particle that is out there? Or are there even more in the lower of the ladder under the neutrino? Elementary stuff in the thinking...hard for those that like to SEE to believe. :P

To put it in perceptive, we are still discovering deep ocean creatures/animals from the deep see in the year 2015, now multiply the abyss of the ocean with the abyss with the universe….lol….cop>+ all around an exploding star.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on August 29, 2015, 08:12:19 PM
Did anyone noticed how MarkE...
All I know about  MarkE is that he  has a lot of posts here.
He might be smart  guy.
I do not know, can not tell.


– sound waves can bend light.


Sound are waves of higher and lower densities in the air.
You never bend light.
You just change path of photon.the closest term  more o less correct will be  "deflect"  ( change of direction by interposing something; turn aside from a straight course.)

--Neutrinos can pass through the most human known dense objects (even through diamonds?).

nothing special. you will lose vacuum in high  vacuum chamber due to porosity of material ( metal used )
We  are just  one big vacuum.
 think about size of an atom.
nucleus:
proton/ space/ neutron/ space/.....
ocasionally electrons but nor really electrons... called  for easy explanation sometime electrons as they have the same  or close mass to electron...
they are antimatter, or anti particles originated inside nucleus due to nucleus instability (" unhappiness" ) manifestation.
characteristic to isotopes.
Positron is antimatter in properties  close to  electron but in  opposite sign.
Positron originates from nucleus.




Cloud around nucleus :




in first orbit we  have 2 electrons
in second orbit we have 8 electrons
in third  orbit we have 18 electrons
in the fourth  orbit we have  32 electrons




orbits are as fallowed:
starting from nucleus ( the closest ) is K, than L, M, N, and so on as alphabet goes



 between nucleus and first orbit K:
 space/ space/ space/ space/  electron/........


between first orbit K and second orbit  L......
again  space space space space . more of the space..... another  electron cloud...
many atoms have  only few electrons.


and
between first orbit L and second orbit  M......
again  space space space space . more of the space..... another  electron cloud...


and so on......That space is vacuum.
We are made mostly  from vacuum, so is diamond  .. only  little more dense that  is all..
Crystals are made form atoms as well.
Atoms are held together in crystals by atomic bonding












--The black holes can disintegrate all matter.
yes however  that is theoretical assumption


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--the universe came from a “big bang”.
yes however  that is theoretical assumption and drifts with time, to new[/size] however  that is theoretical assumption.[/size]


--A magnetic field needs an unbalance of magnetic fields to attract each other.
gush...
 cow needs the cow out of control to be attractive to the cow......... kind of weird isn't it?
 I would explain it different..
spin of electron is origin of magnetic field:

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An electron spin s = 1/2 is an intrinsic property of electrons. ... atoms directed through an inhomogeneous magnetic field would be forced into two beams
Electrons have intrinsic angular momentum characterized by quantum number 1/2.
In the pattern of other quantized angular momenta, this gives total angular momentum
 z-component of the angular momentum.
causes an energy splitting because of the magnetic moment of the electron
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/spin.html (http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/spin.html).
I have made explanation    but in Russian language while I tried  to correct Akula
some time ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxEqiS5H1DE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KxEqiS5H1DE)









--our neurons in the brain are driven by electric pulses that carry a code (who can comprehend this?).
--ETC….ETC…
Man I'm not good in biology or bio-processes.I know as much as you  there.We are operating our processes  with electrical impulses mostly .
But  yes that is general knowledge in it.



One just needs to look at the past and present to understand how the puzzle comes together with out ANYONE having to tell you how the whole puzzle comes together. And this is NOT and easy thing to do in a modern world where the young/old are manipulated by the media and the repetitiveness till you get tired of fighting for what is truth.

Now to this point, with very expensive equipment, do you think, MarkE, that Neutrinos are the ULTIMATE sub atomic particle that is out there? Or are there even more in the lower of the ladder under the neutrino? Elementary stuff in the thinking...hard for those that like to SEE to believe. :P


I think we know nothing or  that what we know is nothing comparing to what we will know.
 moore's law technology progression:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law)


[/size]To put it in perceptive, we are still discovering deep ocean creatures/animals from the deep see in the year 2015, now multiply the abyss of the ocean with the abyss with the universe….lol….cop>+ all around an exploding star.


We are here  because we need to  know more and eventually benefit from that
.








Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 01, 2015, 08:43:25 AM
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All I know about  MarkE is that he  has a lot of posts here.
He might be smart  guy.
I do not know, can not tell.

If you understand how social humans work, there are a lot that follow the “group”...meaning even if he may be correct in a lot of things as a lone individual, he will still follow the crowd as to not stand out or to not get singled out. This happens to the very intelligent people too. It goes all the way up as serious as loosing their jobs for going against the NORM. This is clear and has been studied/seen by psychologist all over the world. There have even been scenarios where a guy is trying to commit suicide trying to jump from 30 stories high and spectators gather down below. After a couple of hours, there will be people getting frustrated and just scream out “just jump already”….and since people are influenced by others, there will be eventually a lot of people screaming the guy to jump...and then there will be others to tell them screamers to shut up and then there will be a debate between the two groups...if the guy jumps...the people that where screaming to jump feel like it was the right thing to say. If the guy does not jump, they feel like it was the right thing to do...it's all psychological and it has been studied very deep…the guys whom got frustrated are like the leeches that suck your blood that come out when you get to live with them. Lol This is another interesting psychological thing. In relationships, they don't know each other very well UNTIL they live together. They may be going out for 5 years, but when they move in together, they see the other side of the person….I may be writing too much but this has already been studied and well understood. So having said that, the only way to judge MarkE is if you move in with him in his house for a couple of years lol…

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Sound are waves of higher and lower densities in the air.
You never bend light.
You just change path of photon.the closest term  more o less correct will be  "deflect"  ( change of direction by interposing something; turn aside from a straight course.)

It does not matter how you say it, LIGHT MUST CURVE!. So you are telling me that light is a perfect straight line through all matter? Even water bends light...even a mirror reflects light. Changing the “path” of a photon is bending. Bending a photon itself is some other type of phenomena. But maybe I don't understand light that much. How do you explain fiber optic cable bending? I mean photons bouncing around the cable but still bending? LIGHT BENDS...will it go straight in a black hole?

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We are made mostly  from vacuum

Yeah I don't want to get that far down the rabbit hole 'cause, to be honest, that is just throwing darts in the dark….or to put it in another way, that is wayyyyy down (or top) the ladder. What I would like to talk about most is what is closest to the KNOW understanding of humans in the present. From what I can understand the neutrinos pass through all KNOWN matter. BUT WHAT I CAN PREDICT IS THAT THEY REFLECT TOO just like there is a mirror to a laser light. This reflection = curving. Which means 100% light curves OR REFLECTS in a controlled manner.

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yes however  that is theoretical assumption

Well yeah that is theoretical but the smartest people in the world believe in them. And, to be honest, they may be correct but, to me, a black hole could only seem black because they believe the black is nothing there where it could just be another type of star that is outside the light spectrum of our eye sight. It has been proven that an mantis shrimp sees more colors than a human eye which, AHEM< we are judging the universe based on “light” colors only...can you imagine a mantis human shrimp looking up in the sky through a telescope? :)

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yes however  that is theoretical assumption and drifts with time, to new[/size] however  that is theoretical assumption.[/size]

Yes I know there are like seven theories regarding “the big bang” but MOST don't know those theories. But for the general public, THE BIG BANG is well accepted enough to be taught in schools. ALTHOUGH, I don't know how that helps one in the future to understand? How about teaching the school kids about multiverses or invisibility? All of that dark matter must have STRAIGHT RAYS OF LIGHT GOING THROUGH IT EEHHH! Now, what is making those photons look dark? :P

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 cow needs the cow out of control to be attractive to the cow......... kind of weird isn't it?
 I would explain it different..
spin of electron is origin of magnetic field:

It is 100% fact that a magnet is not 100% balanced...or should I say, the magnetic fields correlated to the N and S are not 100% balanced...you can call those “legs”. Can you think of a magnet as ATOM and the atoms magnetic fields? Same thing, just understand that a magnet has two nucleus.

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We are here  because we need to  know more and eventually benefit from that

All I am saying is that the ROOT of “renewable energy” comes from the big bang and THAT we have not discovered 100% all anymals in the abyss of the oceans to TRY TO GET FAT HEADED and proclaim that “we” understand the edge of the universe! Like WTF! How can someone claim 10000000% that there are no aliens when they don't know 1000000000% all the animals in the world in the oceans and this includes the land too. HOW? That does not make sense….One single person telling me that there are no aliens in this world while they don't know 100% all animals in this world? Lol I don't think you know how DEEP I'm thinking :P
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on September 01, 2015, 11:31:41 AM
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/features/how-to-spot-a-psychopathand-what-to-do-if-you-know-one-10472442.html?icn=puff-14
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on September 01, 2015, 07:09:19 PM
If you understand how social humans work, there are a lot that follow the “group”...
meaning even if he may be correct in a lot of things as a lone individual, he will still follow the crowd as to not stand out or to not get singled out.
Yes* ( read explanation of *)

*
Typical to the crowd:
In order to look smart in  that interaction. (conversation blog discussion etc.)
-typical to most   members of  crowd    is to point at  his/her credential.
That is done concentrate attention of the crowd and to let the crowd know that this guy  is not that stupid in the subject discussed
And that is exactly what I do , while  I try to explain my  standpoint.



"I have good few years of  psychology behind me and my wife  has  master  of psychology from one of the most prestigious 
European universities.:"


now  my standpoint:
Yes, safety  and comfort of interaction  as well as self correction  of  common thinking
makes individual visible and knowledgeable. Always obey wishes of rich and powerful.
So I'm going to act as  subgroup of the crowd  the ,scientifically oriented  crowd- (the crows)
For that crows it it is not important ,if that what they do  is   right or wrong.
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It is the crowd  known as:
 prestigious or
 leading  or
 smarter in area of science.

It is the crowd that  fallows   politically correct  comfort of the biggest scammers of all times The Rulers.
It is the crowd that, if Rulers are to stupid than  crowd  does not talk , (as the will likely lose  job  and found dead or insane. )
Only rebellious  scientists who have undeniable prove in their hands, are the one who,
 if lucky to be alive than will have full access to benefits
of their art.
In many cases  many of them , have been tried if mental hospitals, or court conviction, to find if  that makes them   to be silent.

Albert Einstein was incredibly lucky guy ,as his invention was in area of  revolutionary theory, and did not affect wealth of Rulers.


It goes all the way up as serious as loosing their jobs for going against the NORM.
Yes  it is fear (known also as discomfort of non-uniformity with the crowd driven to become temporary standard  by stronger  fraction, or by the ruler )


It does not matter how you say it, LIGHT MUST CURVE!.
No it will not .


[/size]So you are telling me that light is a perfect straight line through all matter?
Yes


Even water bends light...even a mirror reflects light
explanation of word BEND  picture below.
Because of duality of word "bend " this term must be excluded in   the rest of discussion as invalid or incorrect.

water does not "bend" light




.
Changing the “path” of a photon is bending.
Yes only when it comes to  straight line alteration of direction to another  straight line form of continuity (or continuation)

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Bending a photon itself is some other type of phenomena.
No such thing as bending photon.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon)






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.. in  particular, the photon model accounted for the frequency dependence of light's energy,
and explained the ability of matter and radiation to be in thermal equilibrium.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_equilibrium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermal_equilibrium)







But maybe I don't understand light that much. How do you explain fiber optic cable bending?
I mean photons bouncing around the cable but still bending? LIGHT BENDS...will it go straight in a black hole?
photon moves  in straight light only
http://www.quora.com/Why-do-photons-only-travel-in-straight-lines-and-not-bend (http://www.quora.com/Why-do-photons-only-travel-in-straight-lines-and-not-bend)


explanation of light in fiber-optic cable look attached photo  below.





From what I can understand the neutrinos pass through all KNOWN matter.
 BUT WHAT I CAN PREDICT IS THAT THEY REFLECT TOO just like there is a mirror to a laser light.
This reflection = curving. Which means 100% light curves OR REFLECTS in a controlled manner.

1.No such thing as 100% reflection.

2.Well the easiest to study is man made neutrino not complicated  subject at all.
nuclear decay can make neutrino
Depends  form the process, but that is   usual  to plenty of naturally accruing  earth isotopes .
You can  make neutrinos in your own house  no big deal.


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some of  properties:
Neutrino oscillation is a quantum mechanical phenomenon whereby a neutrino created with
 a specific lepton flavor (electron, muon or tau) can later be measured to have a different flavor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_oscillation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino_oscillation).


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Can a neutrino undergo elastic collision with a particle participating in weak interaction, such as an electron, a nucleon, or other lepton or a hadron,
 such that the direction of neutrino movement changes by 180 degrees?
If yes, what is the direction of the neutrino spin relative to its direction of movement before and after the collision?
What is the direction of neutrino spin relative to outside frame of reference before and after collision?
Can a neutrino be reflected by a pi meson, seeing that the pi meson has no spin and therefore cannot change it?

Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/can-neutrinos-be-reflected.815765/ (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/can-neutrinos-be-reflected.815765/)


Yes
however:
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such that the direction of neutrino movement changes by 180 degrees?
No. The probability for exactly 180 degrees is zero.
The probability for around 180 is very low. This is just Rutherford scattering.

Reference https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/can-neutrinos-be-reflected.815765 (https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/can-neutrinos-be-reflected.815765)/


Well yeah that is theoretical but the smartest people in the world believe in them.
Yes I explained  crowd behavior at very top of article.








And, to be honest, they may be correct but, to me, a black hole could only seem black
 because they believe the black is nothing there where it could just be another type of star that is outside the light spectrum of our eye sight.


Black- is acronym for "nothing  that goes  out"
nothing  that manifests its presence by any active means, and at the same time does not serve function of an reflector.
-e.g. horizon  can be seen as it is  acting as  an reflector  in order for us to see  we need to have photon that is reflected from passive  body as well.
-eg. motion detector  registers rate of change between thousands  of mirrors  molded on plastic cover of th  detector
( easy to spot it when you look at that plastic  having   lightbulb from the other side.
Even though  that  motion detector  operates  in the region of   infrared light there is still reflection needed.
Black  hole can be detected as suffers  lack of reflection


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http://www.crystalinks.com/black_holes.html
we cannot detect black holes by light that is emitted or reflected
interesting article I must read it too.






It has been proven that an mantis shrimp sees more colors than a human eye


color is just another frequency of electromagnetic spectrum and belongs to visible light region.
colors are mostly described as physically  able to be detected by human  eye.
different colors are  different frequencies.
shrimp might have better electromagnetic wave  receiver than human eye.

everything related to  photon is electromagnetic wave including  lightm x-ray and gamma.


How about teaching the school kids about multiverses or invisibility? All of that dark matter must have
STRAIGHT RAYS OF LIGHT GOING THROUGH IT EEHHH!

Invisibility was discovered  quite few years ago and is   working.
In military  technologies  invisibility is perfectly know and researched .
and now it looks like piece of cake... nothing special.


1.Material less controversial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZOV_9Jirp0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZOV_9Jirp0)


2.Material more controversial:]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvzktPxdg0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BvzktPxdg0)


3.Material  very much controversial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnEW2KN5zNw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AnEW2KN5zNw)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGgUZgCeOzQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGgUZgCeOzQ)


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invisibility is the state of an object that cannot be seen. An object in this state is said to be invisible (literally, "not visible").


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Two teams of scientists worked separately to create two "Invisibility Cloaks" from 'metamaterials' engineered at the nanoscale level.
They demonstrated for the first time the possibility of cloaking three-dimensional (3-D) objects
with artificially engineered materials that redirect radar, light or other waves around an object.


that information is incorrect.
government  is as close as  possible to say nothing about something, but is saying  something  only because  saying nothing is just stupidly simple way  for  invisibility  to  become a controversy.
And that is what government does not want.

They do not want any conspiracy theories or another 9/11 unexplained.
The only things  not explained but found that  they  exists  makes people think and research it.
Government  want you to be just stupid crowd. 
Government  does not represent you however you might think it does.


The typical example of altering science upon  rulers request.
like  one of choices below:
-stay  alive
- be in prison
- be insane,
- lose  job
- lose   everything just be dead

Now, what is making those photons look dark? :P
lack of photons
or insufficient amount of photons to be noticed
or direction of photons is not into  your sensory device ( eye)

Photons can not crisscross or accumulate energy even if they are at the same very frequency
that means they  will never see each other.
The only way  photon can be notices is when it  strikes matter. and deposits  its en energy  there.

So space is  all big place for photons and its energy like incredibly dense soup 
but as long as there is no matter there is no chance for that soup to bombard it.
Gamma photon  is harmful just because if its eV  ( keV, Mev) energy level.
so is X=ray
and only if matter is involved,( if there is no matter there is no harm .
Harmfulness of  high energy  photos comes from its ability to brake nuclear bonds of an atom.
for biological bodies   is  illumination and ionization of DNA and RNA.




It is 100% fact that a magnet is not 100% balanced...or should I say, the magnetic fields
correlated to the N and S are not 100% balanced...you can call those “legs”.
Can you think of a magnet as ATOM and the atoms magnetic fields? Same thing, just understand that a magnet has two nucleus.


no I can not.
( however I need to think about it and do not start to  express it in foolish way)


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All I am saying is that the ROOT of “renewable energy” comes from the big bang and THAT we have not discovered 100%
all anymals in the abyss of the oceans to TRY TO GET FAT HEADED

I understand mechanism  of knowledge:
We know not enough (about something  or anything,)........... to be able to benefit from what we do not know as of yet.
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again the phrase is:
We know not enough .......... to be able to benefit from what we do not know as of yet.[/size]
So that was always true and always will be.





One single person telling me that there are no aliens in this world while they don't know 100%
all animals in this world? Lol I don't think you know how DEEP I'm thinking :P


I do not know.
However typical assumption is  that since earth is placed  at the very much province of the galaxy or universe than
the biological or intelligent life must of be in most advanced form delivered closer to the center of universe than it is on its  edge.
By that  assumption is that we are in the process of evolution the most  primitive creatures comparing to the" other  central galactic aliens ."






Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 03, 2015, 05:26:55 AM
Stivep,

Everything that you are telling me seems like you do agree with me but at the same time you disagree with me hehehe.

Like bending of light – somehow you are trying to tell me that light cannot bend while at the same time you give me answers that suggest that light does bend. IF you think about a laser beam, say, 3mm wide, are not the photons inside the 3mm laser beam bouncing around? Or ARE ALL photons in the laser going 100% straight in all directions? If the photons bounce around a light beam, that means that light bends period. All known human mater bends...rocks, air, glass, plastic, diamonds, human bones, etc bend...ALL matter has a percentage how much they can bend but they all BEND! It just has too since a photon has to pass through a lot of sub atomic particles. Like, for example, a light beam going through glass, the clear glass is made of sub atomic particles, so it has density to keep it's structure...if a photon just goes 100% STRAIGHT through a piece of glass, how can the photon go through it straight if the glass gas mass?

Now think how light CANNOT go thought a solid object while sound WAVES CAN! Not this means that the photon STOPS and cannot penetrate such objects while SOUND WAVES can! Sound waves don't travel in a “straight” line BUT YET they can penetrate objects that light cant. So there are things that are invisible to light but not to sound. But that also means that LIGHT DOES BEND. This means that sound waves DO BEND light. AND light can bend the ripple of sounds waves too.

If you think about the sun producing light, why is the ball of light 360 degrees and not a square? :P

You also have to think in the math and in the brain how black holes BEND LIGHT too. But you also have to ask yourself WHAT CREATES BLACK HOLES? And where are the sound waves around the sun?

So we can “see” that a photon NEVER travels in a straight line because it has objects to bounce around that influence other particles. HECK now that I think about it, WHAT CREATES A PHOTON? And does a PHOTON by itself glow in the middle of darkness? IOW, there are no photons in dark spaces?

This is really that not hard to “see” really. It is just a matter for all to understand this and move on in the evolution instead of trying to lay a blanket on those whom are not capable to understand such things so they can suck money from their paychecks.

Is not like “they” are trying to educate the world (global children) so they can learn everything there is to learn from what evolution has thrown at us BUT truth is they teach you what is known so they can take your money.. :)

And now I’m going back to a COP>+ and now I’m thinking is MONEY COP>+? (can one make money for infinity?) …..heck! If one can become a millionaire (make money) from the resources of the earth that is COP>+….UNTIL there are no more FREEE resources to get (oil, gas, water, etc)…

So that means an over-unity device exists INSIDE the earth, but outside the universe since the universe is more COP>+ than the earths COP>+…

I mean how does energy work COP←…..that's just 100% truth. There is a COP>+ in order to keep on living via the GIVEN resources (returnables) from the earth.
Many people, just want to “debate” about their two cents BUT the truth is always there :)...the truth has road blocks too just like a photon does too?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on September 03, 2015, 06:19:08 AM
if one thing can be said about that argument in defence of the QEG team,
it is that scammers are sometimes master debators that will sometimes throw in really tragic
heart touching examples of their own abuse that may or may not have ever happened,
because they are victims of mental illness.

and having a mental illness does not make someone a bad person.
but if they use lies to try and market some profitable angle,
that is when honest people are most interested in paying attention to it
before it results in them or others paying money towards such disabled people,
in the wrong less effective manner.

while they talk and talk and talk themselves into a master debatory circle until they expect people to just move on,
rather than to lay a blanket on those whom are not capable to understand such things
so they can suck money from your paycheques. and they are willing to do this by any means possible.

such as witt’s scamming corporation has and still does,
along with complete scamwads like mr sino the grande pinnacle of pyramid dillusions that is another
qeg affiiated scam thats also still running titled, UN SWISS INDO.

mr sino promises all his 'delegates' and followers too, just over a million dollars each.

go figure.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 04, 2015, 06:33:27 AM
I logged in to edit my post because I just had a eureka moment as to why we can see through glass – and the answer is because our eye balls have a clear lens = our eye balls are able to see through the same clear things equal too (or close to) the building blocks of our eye ball clear living tissue layer. That is why we can see through glass. Our eyes are genetically encoded to see through the outer “clear” layer of our eye ball hence anything else that is close to the same mechanism is “see through”.

Which this why makes perfect sense http://i.imgur.com/DlRA0ht.gifv

This is amazing but eye opening at the same time...the eyeball CANNOT “see” what the thoughts can too. The thinking in the brain does not require to see through objects….hmmm, what do they call it, consciousness?

This whole GREEED is just a road block in the ULTIMATE truth of understanding the truth. If we can predict the future, going against the GEQ will not stop the truth! Why? Because the QEG is not one machine, it is quantum energy generator...which there are a lot of them in the galaxy.

Those people that cannot understand the DEEPER things, ahem, SoManyWires, they don't know how money GREEDY sides of things work.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on September 04, 2015, 08:05:19 AM
some do seem to know their greedy stuff, and sadly that is their prime motivator.

the ones that blatently try to rip people off using profitable lies are the worst of property value decreasing slime. and they know it.

such as malignant degenerative sociopaths or worse.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on September 04, 2015, 12:43:55 PM


Stivep,
Everything that you are telling me seems like you do agree with me but at the same time you disagree with me hehehe.
We discussed so many other things
in some of them  we agree - yes.
But  what I'm telling you is that light does not bend.

Like bending of light – somehow you are trying to tell me that light cannot bend while at the same time you give me answers that suggest that light does bend.


 light does not bend.




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IF you think about a laser beam, say, 3mm wide, are not the photons inside the 3mm laser beam bouncing around?
Or ARE ALL photons in the laser going 100% straight in all directions?


All of the photons go  in the straight  direction.


If the photons bounce around a light beam, that means that light bends period.


Photons can not bounce all around beam. If you are photon  you can not bounce around yourself.
Photons can not  sense presence of another photon. they do not "see" other photons
Photons can not share energy with another photons




All known human mater bends...rocks, air, glass, plastic, diamonds, human bones, etc bend...ALL matter has a percentage how much they can bend but they all BEND!


Photons are not matter,
photons do not have mass.
photons are just energy pockets
in the free space photons have fixed speed= speed of light


It just has too since a photon has to pass through a lot of sub atomic particles. Like,
for example, a light beam going through glass, the clear glass is made of sub atomic particles,
so it has density to keep it's structure...if a photon just goes 100% STRAIGHT
through a piece of glass, how can the photon go through it straight if the glass gas mass?


It is explained by   probability of collision.
certain photons do interact with that  particular matter or with subatomic particles of that matter, but they must meet criteria of that interactions  while other  photons do not.
one of properties of photon is frequency, as photon is electromagnetic wave.
the higher is  photon frequency the bigger is  photon energy.
Photons of x-ray have lower  frequency than gamma.
Photons of x-ray easily interact with orbital electrons
Photons of X-ray brakes nuclear bonds.
Photons of  visible light  "can do no harm"
Photons of  UV light  "can do  harm" but  can not brake nuclear bonds.


Photons of visible light differ between themselves too as visible light is term  assigned to
all colors and each color  represents photons of different frequencies.
To easier understand it:
that what is impossible to be penetrated for photons of visible light , is easily penetrable for photon of x-ray.



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this one might be little difficult to you
Interactions of Photons with Matter
http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/nuclear-engineering/22-01-introduction-to-ionizing-radiation-fall-2006/lecture-notes/energy_dep_photo.pdf (http://ocw.mit.edu/courses/nuclear-engineering/22-01-introduction-to-ionizing-radiation-fall-2006/lecture-notes/energy_dep_photo.pdf)
but
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this  one will not be difficult to you:
http://www.sprawls.org/ppmi2/INTERACT/ (http://www.sprawls.org/ppmi2/INTERACT/)




Photons of gamma  are results of previous atomic instability
e.g.  when number of neutrons and protons in nucleus  is uneven, than  given atom of given periodic table component may not be able to hold that ,
than matter and/or  energy is  being ejected from  nucleus.




Photons:
you take  Chinese from China , African  from Zambia and American from USA.
all of then are humans
But they can not interact between them-self as they are in different continents.
They look alike but they are different, shape height weight and so on.


Photons also  have factors  characteristic to photons :
e.g. frequency, and energy level


Photons energy level, isproportional to frequency ( per period)
(period is  equal to one cycle)
http://web.pdx.edu/~emch/rs/vh1.html (http://web.pdx.edu/~emch/rs/vh1.html)
the easiest  way to understand photon is th  say  photons are weightless  energy carriers


Now think how light CANNOT go thought a solid object while sound WAVES CAN!


sound wave is longitudinal ( pressure wave)
Electromagnetic  Wave is longitudinal and is not seen as pressure wave, however 
you may find term "electromagnetic pressure"  in physics.
for simplicity we are skip this property  as it is not important as a factor. 



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Sound is a Pressure Wave. Sound is a mechanical wave that results from the back and forth vibration of the particles of
the medium through which the sound-wave is moving.
sound wave can  move mass  without any conversion , while electromagnetic wave can not.

{ unless is converted to  another form of energy (e.g heat) but that  you will not deal with EM any-longer.}

The two  types  of  waves  have  common descriptor "wave". other than that  they are  different so much
 that " they can not communicate" and they can not be compared to "serve" our  discussion,

If you think about the sun producing light, why is the ball of light 360 degrees and not a square? :P

that has nothing to do with photon and it belongs to different group  of subjects discussed.It takes me to much time to go there and explain it.



You also have to think in the math and in the brain how black holes BEND LIGHT too.
But you also have to ask yourself WHAT CREATES BLACK HOLES? And where are the sound waves around the sun?
we spoke about it  already 


 
WHAT CREATES A PHOTON? And does a PHOTON by itself glow in the middle of darkness? IOW, there are no photons in dark spaces?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon)
 It is the force carrier (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_carrier) for the electromagnetic force (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_force)
if there is nothing to carry on, than there is no  photon needed.
like no "wrap" for that package if there is no that particular  package.




So that means an over-unity device exists INSIDE the earth, but outside the universe since the universe is
 more COP>+ than the earths COP>+…

I mean how does energy work COP←…..that's just 100% truth. There is a COP>+ in order to keep on living via the GIVEN resources
(returnables) from the earth.
Many people, just want to “debate” about their two cents BUT the truth is always there :) 
...the truth has road blocks too just like a photon does too?


overunity  OU does not exist and never existed
however  for  eye candy it looks like  it exists.



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Wikipedia:
eye can·dy 
noun
informal
visual images that are superficially attractive and entertaining but intellectually undemanding.

Explanation:
Contribution of  factors that are not noticeable  by our sensory sensors ( eye)
can make something looking like  OU.
there always  will be conversion of energy.
For us OU is only explanation  that says that we ate getting energy that does not have to be paid for.
like opening the valve of the water pipe that has no  taxable  energy source.
So say we have river and we have pipe  one end in that river.
At the and of that pipe there is valve .
energy needed to open  the valve is  small but than it gives us access to energy of water flow.
That energy is our overunity OU, comparing to energy used to open the valve.


another  example of OU is when you have 1 dollar in your packet and someone  gives you 100 dollars .
Your packet would not know what made it to  have  so much over that unity of one.


And there are plenty of ways to get that OU.
that is why I"m here.


 Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 05, 2015, 06:35:47 AM
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But  what I'm telling you is that light does not bend.

This cannot be true based on all that we know so far. The 100% fact is light curves inside a curved string of glass or a curved string of clear plastic (like I mentioned the optic cable). How does the optic cable is able to bend the light beam? Now think about it for a second, or for a few days, do you actually believe that there are no “optic cables” in the galaxy…from the acquired knowledge that I have gained, most likely the human just copied it from mother nature. One sometimes believes that humans “invent” something when it is just a lie, they don't INVENT anything, they just LEARN from what they see.

How are you 100% sure that light does not bend in space? You do understand perception right? If you look up at a star, it looks like it is “glowing” like if it is blinking...that right there means light bends. Now show me a powerful laser beam (abiding by the legal standards) pointed in to the sky and then measure the curvature of it by taking a picture of it from another planet... wait a minute, this is why the galaxy looks like its swirling. Light DISIPATES all around…..as a mater of fact light is like a sound wave...the ONLY reason a laser beam goes straight is because MIRRORS are used to FOCUS the intensity towards one area but this is the same like speakers, WiFi antennas, etc. light does BEND period LETS NOT CONFUSE IT WITH the speed. I'm not talking about the speed.

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Photons of x-ray have lower  frequency than gamma.
Photons of x-ray easily interact with orbital electrons
Photons of X-ray brakes nuclear bonds.
Photons of  visible light  "can do no harm"
Photons of  UV light  "can do  harm" but  can not brake nuclear bonds.

What instruments did you use to see a photon? Or to even name such particle as a photon? From where does the name “photon” derived from (someone had to give it a name)? Do photons die? Or do they keep going in a “straight” line for ever?

I just want to understand how you are able to see photons with your eyeball and some tools. HECKK! How does a photon look like in an oscilloscope?

The way I see x-ray is like this https://youtu.be/cf3WJM72sYs which is just a way to close microscopic windows. The opposite of looking at bones in the skin, is to “open” the windows of flesh. The same can be said about ultrasound on a female looking at the baby fetus.

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The two  types  of  waves  have  common descriptor "wave". other than that  they are  different so much
 that " they can not communicate" and they can not be compared to "serve" our  discussion,

hehehehe you are the master of all known waves. And you know 100% with out a doubt that sounds waves do not communicate with light waves just because you said it.= lol just another guy passing by on his high horse.

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that has nothing to do with photon and it belongs to different group  of subjects discussed.It takes me to much time to go there and explain it.

All the energy you may give does not = 100% of your energy given = 100% truth...you can spend your whole life explaining but that does not mean it is 100% true. So I would love to know the story behind how you came about learning about the photon!? Give me the whole story since a little baby till your current current age. Also, mention the tool you used to understand a photon 'cause I love tools myself...anything having to do with a measuring tool...Plus, give me a microscopic picture of how a photon looks?

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overunity  OU does not exist and never existed

If a hooker in the streets tells you that she loves you, will you believe her? = don't take the UO LITERALLY. OU just = COP>+. You can replace the letters with anything else but the evidence CANNOT change. If you could give the SUN a name regarding a battery, what name would you giver it that it would make sense if you wanted to buy a very long lasting battery?

I think people are taking OU, QEG too literally and not using their brains to predict the outcome/truth lol Why would a poor person believe in OU? Why would a rich person believe in OU? Even if the Over Unity name changes, the truth REMAINS THE SAME! lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 05, 2015, 07:51:33 AM
Joel:

Even JB Weld can not make light bend.  It can do a lot of things but....not that.

Why is this so hard for you to understand this?  A laser is a coherent light beam.  It does not bend nor diverge (within the parameters of the laser) which is why it is so useful in so many applications.  You should read some books on this...it really is a beautiful invention.  Yes, it was invented at Bell Labs.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on September 05, 2015, 10:42:07 AM
rich, poor, it doesn't matter who a scammer takes money from, just as long as they can.

there is no trust in scammers.

some of them have nice stereo speakers even.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on September 05, 2015, 07:35:56 PM
This cannot be true based on all that we know so far. The 100% fact is light curves inside a curved string of glass or a curved string of clear plastic (like I mentioned the optic cable).



light  can not be bend so the rest of discussion  exactly related to "light bend" in nonsense .



How does the optic cable is able to bend the light beam?


it does not  I explained it in the picture and link but you keep asking questions instead of reading and viewing simple picture that is in front of your eye and does not  require from you even to click on the link.




do you actually believe that there are no “optic cables” in the galaxy…


I do not know it.
I do not now mechanism that could be responsible for  keeping such structure acting this way.




One sometimes believes that humans “invent” something when it is just a lie, they don't INVENT anything, they just LEARN from what they see.


it does not make any difference, who cares.
You have something others do not. What difference it is if you invented it o you have learn mechanisms of nature that  allow you to have it?



How are you 100% sure that light does not bend in space?





again nonsense discussion read material I have provided for you.

You do understand perception right?

I think I do but my wife understands it better or equal to me as she is master of psychology and philosophy is placed  more close to her education.
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If you look up at a star, it looks like it is “glowing” like if it is blinking...that right there means light bends.

light does not bend.
however in intergalactic distances we might see "light curvature "


material to view:1.Metric expansion of space
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_expansion_of_space (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metric_expansion_of_space)


2.Cosmic distance ladder
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_distance_ladder (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_distance_ladder)


3.Observable universe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observable_universe)




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 wait a minute, this is why the galaxy looks like its swirling. Light DISIPATES all around…..as a mater of fact light is like a sound wave...


no light does  not dissipate  as matter, light collides with matter and is most likely changed to heat.


quote:
If we think back to the early Universe, there are two big assumptions astronomers make, according to How Stuff Works:
 there was a lot of hydrogen and helium, with some parts denser than other areas.
In the denser areas, gas clumped together in protogalactic clouds; the thickest areas collapsed into stars.


“These stars burned out quickly and became globular clusters, but gravity continued to collapse the clouds,”
How Stuff Works wrote.
“As the clouds collapsed, they formed rotating disks.
 The rotating disks attracted more gas and dust with gravity and formed galactic disks.
 Inside the galactic disk, new stars formed. What remained on the outskirts of the original cloud were globular clusters and the halo composed of gas, dust and dark matter.
http://www.universetoday.com/23870/the-milky-ways-rotation/ (http://www.universetoday.com/23870/the-milky-ways-rotation/)




the ONLY reason a laser beam goes straight is because MIRRORS are used to FOCUS the
intensity towards one area but this is the same like speakers, WiFi antennas, etc. light does BEND period LETS NOT CONFUSE IT WITH the speed.
I'm not talking about the speed.



nonsense.
it looks like gibberish


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What instruments did you use to see a photon?



what kind of photon? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?   ??? ??? ??? ??? ??   ??? ??? ??? ??? ??
please read material  I have attached for you in my previous posts, and than ask specific  question..


to make comics of your question more explicit
I use example:
what instrument did you  use to  see a man. ??? ??? ??? ??  ??? ??? ??  ??? ??? ?


What kind of man ?
1. short or tall?.
2. smart or stupid?
3.scientist or not scientist?
4.gay or straight?
and so on...........................


one of answers:
 your eye can be instrument to see certain photons in very narrow bandwidth of electromagnetic  spectrum .




 
[/size]Do photons die? Or do they keep going in a “straight” line for ever?



Photon has a  rest mass  zero.
Photon can be created or destroyed under certain conditions,
Photons can be absorbed by atoms. When they do, they give up their energy to the atom; for example,
 a photon striking a hydrogen atom with the right amount of energy will be entirely absorbed,
and its energy will go to boosting the hydrogen's electron to a higher energy level.

in regards to your question about x-ray
The way I see x-ray is like  on the pictures at the bottom.

hehehehe you are the master of all known waves. And you know 100% with out a doubt that sounds waves do not communicate with light waves just because you said it.= lol just another guy passing by on his high horse.


all "I know is that I know nothing."
called the Socratic paradox, is a well-known saying that is derived from Plato's account of the Greek philosopher Socrates.


the Over Unity name changes, the truth REMAINS THE SAME! lol


Yes Overunity OU is just name of  certain  human expectation.
For eye  that expectation exists
For physics it will be energy that  you use and you do not pay for.
that can be energy you made  available for you or someone  made  it  available for you but you do not pay for it.
that is  your OU.
there is no magic, and for many of scientists, there is no God.


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in regards to my previous post:
first I have to make correction  of typing error I have made:


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sound wave is longitudinal ( pressure wave)
Electromagnetic  Wave is longitudinal and is not seen as pressure wave, however 
you may find term "electromagnetic pressure"  in physics.
for simplicity we are skip this property  as it is not important as a factor. 


correction:
sound wave is longitudinal ( pressure wave)
 electromagnetic waves are transversal
so by that Electromagnetic  Wave is not longitudinal and is not seen as pressure wave,
(however  you may find term "electromagnetic wave pressure"  in physics.)
For simplicity we are skip this property  as it is not important for us factor by now. 




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Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 06, 2015, 08:58:48 AM
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some of them have nice stereo speakers even.

I'm a little familiar with sound systems (I even own a pair of 200W RMS tube amps). In my car I have a 500W RMS mono amp for my lows and 40W 4-channel amp for the mids and highs. For my home theater system I have 4.1 klipsch…on a receiver... the .1 is a 300W RMS 12” cabinet (it has it's amp built in). For my computer I have a 2.1 sound system the 8” woofer/cabinet is 200W RMS and the speakers are 40W each...I'm not a scammer by any means but I know my sound! What I mean is how do you know the good sound from the bad?

I have tried to ask others how can they judge something when they don't know how it works? Now SoManyWires, how do you know what is a “nice stereo” VS a not so nice?

After you tell me how the stereos work fully, then I will believe you when you “judge” a “nice stereo speakers”. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on September 06, 2015, 09:15:20 AM
some people do have better speakers than other victims of crime including myself.

i miss my bose.

i am not qualified to explain whats best or all about how stereos work.
even though that might entertain someone, 'hope' fully someone that is not a scammer like hope moore seems to be, as being discussed more often in this qeg forum and others using the header topic titled qeg. you already knew that though no doubt.

you are going to have to ask an expert to learn moore about speakers.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 06, 2015, 10:03:20 AM
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light  can not be bend so the rest of discussion  exactly related to "light bend" in nonsense .

Light MUST bend is it just that human perception cannot see it far enough where it starts bending. It is just impossible for a particle/wave to go 100% straight for infinity. Like the coocoo Einstein guy showed that light bend around a massive star...although you coul call it refraction or whatever you like to call it and fit it in a perfect equation, light will bend around it and the universe is full of billions/trillions/googlions of massive stars.

Light may not bend in your perception, but since light needs to do a 360* (photon) because light needs some other particles to create it...HECK! If light needs other particles to create it, do they curve or bend? Imagine that, the particles that create light bend and make a particle that moves 100% straight for infinity without any bending. o.0

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it does not  I explained it in the picture and link but you keep asking questions instead of reading and viewing simple picture that is in front of your eye and does not  require from you even to click on the link.

I'm mostly thinking in the mind than anything else and in my mind light bends...remember the perimeter of the earth is rotating at thousands of miles per our...now you are telling me that if you shine a 40W laser in to outer space, the laser beam will not bend at all? Who has even done this type of experiment? No force out there, not even the curvature of space, has an affect on light? But wait a minute, black holes suck light in = bend it. How many black holes are in space? If you shine a light in to space, I’m sure the light bend is going to curve if it passes close next to a black hole o.0?

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however in intergalactic distances we might see "light curvature "

Is not complicated, if a black hole eats light, then it bends. If there are trillions of blacks holes in a grain of sand in out galaxy, light has to bend (or be eaten)...we just can't see it with our eye ball or instruments because we are only judging the spectrum of light that our eye perception can see. If we use our thinking perception, where it has not been mathematically understood, we can see that light must bend if a light laser goes through all of those “black” holes proximity. The same can be said about sound waves.

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no light does  not dissipate  as matter, light collides with matter and is most likely changed to heat.
Light does dissipate...hmm...just like the difference between a 20 lumen flashlight VS a 1000lumen flashlight...the light coming out of a 20 lumen flashlight will dissipate faster than a 1000lumen one?
The same principle can be applied to the “big bang” light. The big bang could be measured in lumen too just like any other start imploding/exploding in the math.. = light/photons/waves do disipate after a while…

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what kind of photon?

How many photons are out there? Now you reminded me of Socrates :) Well, in the photon hood! The singularity of a photon.

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Photon can be created or destroyed under certain conditions,

What creates a photon? And how many variations of photons are out there?

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all "I know is that I know nothing."

That is another way of saying “I'm always learning”. Which shows that there are only two kind of people, those that settle for greeed and those that will always be learning till the end of their life. One never stops learning.

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there is no magic, and for many of scientists, there is no God.

You are mistaken, their god is their BLIND belief that the atom will make their life better. But look at the world now? Predict the future of this earth with your math knowledge and your PHD? Enjoy the rest of your life with your wife having a 5 year vacation 'cause a massive extinction is coming soon. Look at the past history….but at any rate!

What do you call the SUN? A battery? A renewable? FREEE? A cash cow? A gift given by the atoms? I mean, it has been sitting there for billions of years just by it's self to provide abundant energy to the earth? What do you call the sun with all of it's sunlight that we all need (e.g. vitamin D and i'm sure is moreeee than just that).
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: scratchrobot on September 07, 2015, 01:54:04 PM
From the perspective of a photon, there is no such thing as time. It’s emitted, and might exist for hundreds of trillions of years, but for the photon, there’s zero time elapsed between when it’s emitted and when it’s absorbed again. It doesn’t experience distance either. Light does not bend it's just an illusion.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 08, 2015, 07:41:15 AM
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From the perspective of a photon, there is no such thing as time.

This is 100% wrong. 1st) how do you know what is the DNA code of a photon in the subatomic DNA? 2dn) the photon must experience “time” since it's a rule of phenomena...this is what is wrong with you people = not being open, minded! When you get a cut in your skin, do the white blood cells understand time? They must understand it since the faster they repair the wound, the more probability of success!!!

How is your brain thoughts thinking that photons do not know time? ALL SUBATOMIC particles know time and evolution. The time may not be as your time watching a love movie on a hollyday but they must know time>time never stops! Tic toc tic toc tic toc.

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there’s zero time elapsed between when it’s emitted and when it’s absorbed again.

How do you know this? Show proof in the explanation in the brain or via math?

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It doesn’t experience distance either. Light does not bend it's just an illusion.

Again, how do you know this? Show proof in the explanation in the brain or by math? Let me ask you this, is a photon the same in all the light spectrum?> gamma rays, x-rays, ultraviolet rays, visible light, infrared rays, microwaves rays, radio waves? You are telling me that a “photon” in gamma rays is the same as in x-rays? AND the photon does not EXPERIENCE TIME! Since the gamma rays oscillate at a higher frequency than x-rays?

Again, where is your proof in the mind or in real life scenarios that a light does not bend nor experience time? If light is a “photon” it is both in gamma rays and in infrared rays?  OBVIOURSLY, there is a TIME DELAY BETWEEN both?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Acca on September 08, 2015, 02:48:33 PM
 Your dogmatic programming now is showing nothing original…
 
Upgrade, as you are out dated … You are very boring ….
 
Link for you… http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/hawking-meant-black-holes/ (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/hawking-meant-black-holes/)
 
 
“Is not complicated, if a black hole eats light, then it bends. If there are trillions of blacks holes in a grain of sand in out galaxy, light has to bend (or be eaten)...we just can't see it with our eye ball or instruments because we are only judging the spectrum of light that our eye perception can see. If we use our thinking perception, where it has not been mathematically understood, we can see that light must bend if a light laser goes through all of those “black” holes proximity. The same can be said about sound waves.”
 
Wesley has the upper hand in this conversation ….
 
As well as all the test equipment of some 250 K… got some equipment too….Show it…
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: scratchrobot on September 08, 2015, 05:47:03 PM
Living cells have DNA a Photon has nothing to do with DNA or white blood cells, your mixing things up!

Don't take it from me but many experiments proof that it works like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGoDK18b3LE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGoDK18b3LE)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6HLjpj4Nt4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6HLjpj4Nt4)
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUX6pfXRCLA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUX6pfXRCLA)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 09, 2015, 06:24:45 AM
Acca,


Yes I know is hard to understand the galaxy and apply it in terms that make sense from our every day life activities. Like for example, how does acca can understand a light year in comparison to anything else? Even if math says a light year is 186,000 miles, how can you comprehend those miles? How do you even comprehend how many steps an ant takes if it was to walk around the earths equator? You can do the math but the actual comprehension is lacking of the ENERGY involved.

But ok, going back to black holes, do you know how they are calculated acca? Like the actual visual evidence combined with math? Do you know how the planets REALLY revolve around the sun? The sun is moving at thousands of miles per second in the atmosphere (counter or counter clockwise is not know but it is one or the other), faster than the planet earth since the planet rotating around the sun slows it down. Now if all humans in the world where to shine a 40W green laser up in the sky, from an outsiders perspective, the light would look like how the galaxies plasma looks = a swirl. The bending does not even has to do with “black holes” at all...the light bending has to do more with the speed rotation (rotation plus oscillation).

Do this, make a wheel that is 12” wide, attach lasers on it pointing from the center out straight. Then spin the will at 30,000RPM now with a “photon” sensor, measure the time difference the laser hits it at 10,000RPM, 20,000RPM, and 30,00RPM...we can even go to 500,000RPM...the photon laser beam on the sensor will lag = isolate = bend. If all laser beams measure the same at even 100,000RPM them light does not bend BUT if the sensor has a fraction of a second difference between 5,000RPM and 300,000RPM, then this means that light bends.

Light is electromagnetism fields after all? https://i.imgur.com/Lg7PZob.gifv  This actually made me realize that the earths magnetic field SHIELDS the harmful rays from the sun while by the same token, the sun produces sun flares from magnetism….
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 09, 2015, 07:06:29 AM
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Living cells have DNA a Photon has nothing to do with DNA or white blood cells, your mixing things up!

I meant “DNA” GLOBALY not just in the blood strands. Once a photon is living, it will experience TIME….in the DNA conscious. They consciousness may be more advance than our brains... HECK! They are the ingredients of our brains consciousness since we can only understand things via electric pulses in the brain.

Just because you cannot comprehend the “photon” “DNA” does not mean that it does not have one...that is just an opinion coming from a person that has “DNA” blood whom may not even know how to repair an A/C (air conditioning unit) system.

The “photon” must experience time weather it likes it or not. NOT in the time we are familiar with 12hr/24hr clock but by a microscopic second compared to our clocks experienced of time. HECK our time is INVISABLE compare to a “photons” time!!!! (hense why our thinking of time is invisable to a phtons wrist watch) a photon passing our clock/time in the Galaxy is more like .000000000000000000000000000000000001 of a second. BUT if we where to be human photons we would “feel” see their time!!! PLEASE TELL ME THAT YOU FEEL THAT YOUR BODY IS GOING ROTATING AT 1000MPH SITTING iN A CHAIR? 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on September 09, 2015, 08:13:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghRDcgrMwp0


Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: scratchrobot on September 09, 2015, 05:46:58 PM
I meant “DNA” GLOBALY not just in the blood strands. Once a photon is living, it will experience TIME….in the DNA conscious. They consciousness may be more advance than our brains... HECK! They are the ingredients of our brains consciousness since we can only understand things via electric pulses in the brain.


My brain also works with chemicals not only electric pulses and maybe other ways?, my brain is made up of cells called braincells
who contain DNA. I don't know of Photons having their own consciousness, you have some source on the net for me to read?

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Just because you cannot comprehend the “photon” “DNA” does not mean that it does not have one...that is just an opinion coming from a person that has “DNA” blood whom may not even know how to repair an A/C (air conditioning unit) system.


You are right, i'm only giving my opinion and cannot comprehend how a Photon works.


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The “photon” must experience time weather it likes it or not. NOT in the time we are familiar with 12hr/24hr clock but by a microscopic second compared to our clocks experienced of time. HECK our time is INVISABLE compare to a “photons” time!!!! (hense why our thinking of time is invisable to a phtons wrist watch) a photon passing our clock/time in the Galaxy is more like .000000000000000000000000000000000001 of a second. BUT if we where to be human photons we would “feel” see their time!!! PLEASE TELL ME THAT YOU FEEL THAT YOUR BODY IS GOING ROTATING AT 1000MPH SITTING iN A CHAIR?


Experiments proof that a Photon can even go back in our time , maybe they have their own timescale.
I can not feel my body rotating because the earth and atmosphere is also rotating at 1000mph.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Acca on September 09, 2015, 05:54:58 PM
 

 
Manipulating Light with a Magnetic Field
 
http://lpmmc.grenoble.cnrs.fr/UserFiles/File/Tiggelen-Rikken%20.pdf (http://lpmmc.grenoble.cnrs.fr/UserFiles/File/Tiggelen-Rikken%20.pdf)
 
here is also one of my clips on photons the Joe Papp engine 1970’s …
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnzWBCQDUXQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RnzWBCQDUXQ)
 
 
light (particles? Photons?)… or what they are ??
 
There is just way too much proof to determine the actual effects of light and magnetics…
 
Acca…




Wesley another great Video !!!

Thanks form Poland..


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on September 10, 2015, 05:58:05 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z99El4pjUc4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z99El4pjUc4)


question:
if anyone  wants  to put doubts into  it.....
first answer  why someone went through all of that  problems with patents and expenses of it too.
just  the patent as complicated as paper clip costs  around 10k

Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 11, 2015, 07:02:17 AM
Stivep, I think all the evidence gathered to a singularity ONLY point to that it is TRUE. And the ONLY thing that is getting in the way is GREEED. Therefore there is such a nature law to gather energy from the air...as well from the water, sun light, maybe even sound waves coming in from outer space BUT the ONLY conclusion is that FREEE is the root energy.

I have seen 100% proof with out a shadow of a doubt that poverty in the world can be eradicated with just 30 billion dollars, to the top riches in the world, that is pocket change….BUT the ULTIMATE 100% is that poverty can be eradicated. The ONLY reason they don't do that is because poverty is what makes them money (or wars).

On the other side of the token, the poor people are ingenious in coming up with solutions. And this is part of EVOLUTION which means, the poor people are the most intelligent than the rich since the rich are at the top because they rob the ideas of the poor. This can be debated all around but the truth is 100% that the greatest minds come from the poorest people. This is why their will be a sixth great extinction! This extinction will remove the corruption and a new era will continue where hopefully and GREEEDY life does not born, but if it does, their will be another extinction.

The GREEED is what is stopping us at least 100 years of evolution….we could be all flying UFOs like nothing...simple no big deal….but we are all kept in the dark by those OLD GREEDY, IN THE FAMILY, PEOPLE! I have worked for many companies to know that morality does not play a role….GREEED is what dictates the income. And in a society of GREEED those that have more money are like GODs. Those that can understand what the rich people do are poor outcast people that are labeled as loony, or, if it has not been done, it is not real...lol

Stivep, open your eyes and make a machine yourself once and for all! Stop living in the DOUBT and just make one….there are sooooooooo many mandatory regulations that you will not become rich if you find a better way to harness the FREEE energy….this also goes allllll the way down to WiFi technology….the WiFi signal stregth could be had for miles if it was down to the 900MHZ because the lower frequency waves travel through solids while the higher don't – 2.4GHz.

In my honest opinion, based on alllll of the evidence, we do have an OU device out there BUT it will NEVER be SOLD due to the regulations. THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE IT COME TO LIGHT IS TO MAKE IT OPEN SOURCE! Then we will all enjoy the FREEE energy while at the same time, bring down the stock exchange… plus put pressure on the “higher people” that we cannot be treated as DUMB people any longer?

That is regarding GREEED, Now going back to the BENDING OF LIGHT, the light has to bend! Even bullets curve when they are shot into space. Shoot a bullet around the earth and it will curve and then shoot out in to space? This is OLD news!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: scratchrobot on September 11, 2015, 09:17:27 AM
Stivep, I think all the evidence gathered to a singularity ONLY point to that it is TRUE. And the ONLY thing that is getting in the way is GREEED. Therefore there is such a nature law to gather energy from the air...as well from the water, sun light, maybe even sound waves coming in from outer space BUT the ONLY conclusion is that FREEE is the root energy.

I have seen 100% proof with out a shadow of a doubt that poverty in the world can be eradicated with just 30 billion dollars, to the top riches in the world, that is pocket change….BUT the ULTIMATE 100% is that poverty can be eradicated. The ONLY reason they don't do that is because poverty is what makes them money (or wars).

On the other side of the token, the poor people are ingenious in coming up with solutions. And this is part of EVOLUTION which means, the poor people are the most intelligent than the rich since the rich are at the top because they rob the ideas of the poor. This can be debated all around but the truth is 100% that the greatest minds come from the poorest people. This is why their will be a sixth great extinction! This extinction will remove the corruption and a new era will continue where hopefully and GREEEDY life does not born, but if it does, their will be another extinction.

The GREEED is what is stopping us at least 100 years of evolution….we could be all flying UFOs like nothing...simple no big deal….but we are all kept in the dark by those OLD GREEDY, IN THE FAMILY, PEOPLE! I have worked for many companies to know that morality does not play a role….GREEED is what dictates the income. And in a society of GREEED those that have more money are like GODs. Those that can understand what the rich people do are poor outcast people that are labeled as loony, or, if it has not been done, it is not real...lol

Stivep, open your eyes and make a machine yourself once and for all! Stop living in the DOUBT and just make one….there are sooooooooo many mandatory regulations that you will not become rich if you find a better way to harness the FREEE energy….this also goes allllll the way down to WiFi technology….the WiFi signal stregth could be had for miles if it was down to the 900MHZ because the lower frequency waves travel through solids while the higher don't – 2.4GHz.

In my honest opinion, based on alllll of the evidence, we do have an OU device out there BUT it will NEVER be SOLD due to the regulations. THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE IT COME TO LIGHT IS TO MAKE IT OPEN SOURCE! Then we will all enjoy the FREEE energy while at the same time, bring down the stock exchange… plus put pressure on the “higher people” that we cannot be treated as DUMB people any longer?

That is regarding GREEED, Now going back to the BENDING OF LIGHT, the light has to bend! Even bullets curve when they are shot into space. Shoot a bullet around the earth and it will curve and then shoot out in to space? This is OLD news!


I can't follow all your fiction based reasoning but i agree that greed is maybe the biggest problem in this world and maybe the root of all evil, we have the power and knowledge to transform this planet into a paradise.
I also agree that there will be another great extinction and maybe it's proof that God fucked up for the 6th time, he needs to rebuild from scratch and do another experiment.


Greed is not stopping a free energy device, Stivep tells us that if it he was greedy it would have seen light already, he and his team was offered 100mil but he is not greedy.


At my house the 2.4ghz wifi goes perfect trough my walls, i think they can push more data at higher frequency.
Light does not have to bend because a bullet does. Maybe we see light bending because of a time wave.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: scratchrobot on September 11, 2015, 09:53:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z99El4pjUc4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z99El4pjUc4)


question:
if anyone  wants  to put doubts into  it.....
first answer  why someone went through all of that  problems with patents and expenses of it too.
just  the patent as complicated as paper clip costs  around 10k

Wesley


I don't know nothing about patents nor what they cost.
To me it looks like it is not a real patent but a patent application (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_application).


Looks likes it is from an not greedy american company, meet the team. (http://www.chavaenergy.com/who/team-members/)
More than 25 years of experience in everything but what is holding them from releasing?
I'm sure they must have had many 100mill offers over the years?


Looking at their website only gives me more doubts, at least they don't sell pdf's with the secret of their succes.


Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on September 11, 2015, 11:35:59 PM


Looks likes it is from an not greedy american company,
More than 25 years of experience in everything but what is holding them from releasing?
I'm sure they must have had many 100mill offers over the years?


Dear scratchrobot...................... I like your comment here is some response:
================================================================================

In our case:
The chance was given the time clock was set.
the team decided to  redirect  it to TK
TK did not responded in time frame
The offer is gone.


The yoke experiment was released to the public
The public did not do much about it.
The  possible side effects have been  significantly pointed.
That is all story


Personality:
I'm no different to many of you guys.
I have nothing against money.
I did what I did ,  in hope that TK can give out ready big power device without need of working on it.
I thought that with TK I can make money as well
I thought that without TK I can make money  as well as I'm the closest to TK.
I thought that TK device does not have side effects I experienced.
I thought that government can not stop the device that  does not  give any side effects  and with Yoke device They could.
I thought that TK is not such a drunk and  idiot he was.
I thought that entity  that made an offer will choose me as presenter and translator as TK is incapable of being one.
I thought that by making TK release his secrets to the public I can  make for him  what no one  seem to be able to  make.[/size]
Patent!!!

I'm against patents in this area,
but TK demanded patent.

The  patent story:
in 2008 Mr.Turk patent attorney  (very talented Turkish)  prepared
patent application to TK in exchange for 50% of future profits from sale of technology.
The patent  application is done so good that  no one can  patent  electrostatic concept device any  longer.Unless the law is corrupted.
That was part of my plan to convince TK  plus TK gets 100% of the money from the entity.
Temptation of TK was big to me, but how can you Tempt  the Drunk?
when he is less drunk or more drunk.?


Unfortunately to TK  his application was  placed in   perpetual motion machines category and patent was  not issued.
I  explained to TK that if he give it for free than number of people replicating device will be the prove of concept.
The application than could be reinstated.
My plan was that in exchange for my  help TK will sign   written  agreement  that device will have single licence  for single family  free of charge.
All commercial entities must pay licencing fee.
Including me if I decide to  become one.


Now I thought  TK must be happy.
He is going to get his patent and have money and independence and  be celebrity.
He was to  simple to process it in given time frame.


 So now no Akula nor Ruslan  can get the patent as it must be  something that is new and not released in any form prior to  filing patent application.
TK did not get the patent but he can get the patent any time anyone  release his device for free or not for free as TK priority rights are  on file.
All TK needs is to prove that given  concept , falls into his application category.


That is reality  you like it or not.
for that TK does not need to spend one single  dollar.
Good lawyers  will pay for it from their own pocket in exchange  for piece of pie.



Summary:
You call that greed or no greed than , it is your problem.
I wanted  TK device to be  out  to everyone including me.


Your guys problem is that you in your variety represent mostly
- different background
- different culture
-different  moral, ethical, environmental, and social  spinal cord.


Your standards are not necessarily my standards despite the fact  of value of the standards.
Just mostly different.


Your expectations and your dreams  are not necessarily the same.






Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 12, 2015, 02:45:57 AM


I have seen 100% proof with out a shadow of a doubt that poverty in the world can be eradicated with just 30 billion dollars, to the top riches in the world, that is pocket change….BUT the ULTIMATE 100% is that poverty can be eradicated. The ONLY reason they don't do that is because poverty is what makes them money (or wars).



Joel, you are dreaming.  Guess how much money the US has spent in an attempt to wipe out poverty?  This is money spent in the US to fight US poverty since the war on poverty began in the 1960's.

Are you ready?

30 TRILLION dollars...that trillion, not billion.  The reason that has not worked, nor will it ever work is that if you pay someone to stay home
and not work yet they still have a house, food, money, cell phone, clothes, etc. they will take the money and stay home.  They will not even try to improve themselves at all.  History has shown this time and time again.  We are now 4 generations into families that never try to find work, they just take the government money which...comes from the taxpayers as the government has no money.

The sad part about this is, this system of paying folks to stay home (I am talking about able bodies folks here) is that you rob them of their humanity.  They do not contribute to society and have never even tried to reach their potential.  It is a sin.  If you don't work, you don't eat.  That is the way it used to be, and that worked a lot better than handing out 30 TRILLION dollars so folks can sit at home, drink beer and watch cable that the working man can not afford.

Oh, and your bullet in space theory is also wrong as...if you fire a bullet and it curves around the earth due to gravity, it will never just "shoot out" and go into space.  it would have to accelerate to over 25,000 mph which is earth's gravity escape velocity.  I have never heard of a bullet going that fast.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 12, 2015, 08:58:24 AM
Oh the jbweld guru again lolz

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Joel, you are dreaming.  Guess how much money the US has spent in an attempt to wipe out poverty?  This is money spent in the US to fight US poverty since the war on poverty began in the 1960's.

“since the war began on poverty” that sound lovely….

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Are you ready?

I'm sure nothing really smart coming out! From you.

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30 TRILLION dollars...that trillion, not billion.  The reason that has not worked, nor will it ever work is that if you pay someone to stay home
and not work yet they still have a house, food, money, cell phone, clothes, etc. they will take the money and stay home.  They will not even try to improve themselves at all.  History has shown this time and time again.  We are now 4 generations into families that never try to find work, they just take the government money which...comes from the taxpayers as the government has no money.

Do you even know what your parents taught you in your life? I'm sorry pirate but you CANNOT think that far ahead HENCE you believe that poverty cannot be eradicated? You are just a clown sir in the galaxy of smart people lol :P...to put it in THE COLD HARD TRUTH, if you had 300,0000000 trillion dollars to get rid of poverty, you CAN'T get rid of it because you don't know that money does not make people smart lol, save your money for your kids when they need it? o.0. Based on my questioning over and over again, nothing smart comes from you so you are trying to tell me COMPLEX stuff ABOUT HOW TO GET RID OF POVERTY? Sorry, that is just a joke!

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The sad part about this is, this system of paying folks to stay home (I am talking about able bodies folks here) is that you rob them of their humanity.  They do not contribute to society and have never even tried to reach their potential.  It is a sin.  If you don't work, you don't eat.  That is the way it used to be, and that worked a lot better than handing out 30 TRILLION dollars so folks can sit at home, drink beer and watch cable that the working man can not afford.

it is 100% obvious with out a doubt that ONE you cannot manage your OWN money TWO you are not qualified to speak about getting rid of poverty!!!! getting rid of poverty is teaching them...ALL KIDS ARE BORN POOR the parents teach them to succeed or stay poor= it's all in the mind rather than buying them a fast car.

Hehheehe, let me hear pirate how to teach a poor kid to learn something new?

I have already figured you out pirate, you are just struggling with money yourself!!!! Your brain has not capability to look further than your struggles. What would shut you up is if you had one million dollars in your bank account! PLEASE! You speaking about getting id of poverty is just a joke! Clowns only are there to say jokes and not to speak about what deep thinkers find solutions too!

I kind of have a feeling that you have never even held 200,000 dollars cash in your hands?

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Oh, and your bullet in space theory is also wrong as...if you fire a bullet and it curves around the earth due to gravity, it will never just "shoot out" and go into space.  it would have to accelerate to over 25,000 mph which is earth's gravity escape velocity.  I have never heard of a bullet going that fast.

Anything that escapes the earths gravitational pull will speed up in to the dark matter. This is how ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the satellites in to space GATHER their momentum! ALLLL satellites that go to outer space USE this you dumbo! Lol….it does not need explanation for those who are satellite engineers. Let me guess, you want people to teach you so you can say “thank you”!!! Which is what it looks like when ever you speak/write. o.0 WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THANK YOU ANY MORE< WE WANT TO SEEE SMART PEOPLE CHANGE THE WORLD ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!

Are you telling me that poverty cannot get erased from this earth? You know what is funny, you are a poor person! lol
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on September 12, 2015, 09:20:40 AM
Joel:

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Anything that escapes the earths gravitational pull will speed up in to the dark matter. This is how ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the satellites in to space GATHER their momentum! ALLLL satellites that go to outer space USE this you dumbo! Lol….it does not need explanation for those who are satellite engineers. Let me guess, you want people to teach you so you can say “thank you”!!! Which is what it looks like when ever you speak/write. o.0

That has got to be the most ignorant and stupid thing I have read in a long time.  "Speed up into the dark matter?"  That's laughable.

Beyond that, it's time for you to STOP your stupid "Bill is dumb" dance.  It is sickening to read you say this crap over and over and over.  You demean and denigrate yourself when you do that all the time.

Do you get some perverse pleasure from doing this all the time?  Do you think that people appreciate your stupid boorish behaviour?  Do you think you get respect from people by acting like a fool like this all the time?  What the hell is wrong with you?

It's time for you to STOP.

Would you like it if someone called you a "sleazy spic" or a "lazy spic" or a "stupid spic" every time someone posted to you on this forum.  Day in and day out, stupid spic, stupid spic, stupid spic, stupid spic, Joel the stupid spic.

Would you like that?   Time for you to look at yourself in the mirror and really look at what you are doing.

It's time for you to change your behaviour.   You know the terms of service, how we are supposed to show mutual respect for each other?

It's WAKE UP TIME for you.  It's time for you to correct your unacceptable behaviour that has been going on for months and months.

MileHigh
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 12, 2015, 09:21:34 AM
Stivep, who is TK?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: scratchrobot on September 12, 2015, 12:54:51 PM
Stivep, who is TK?


You call other people names and don't know who TK is?
Think deep deep thinker... clown.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: scratchrobot on September 12, 2015, 01:55:51 PM

Dear scratchrobot...................... I like your comment here is some response:
================================================================================

In our case:
The chance was given the time clock was set.
the team decided to  redirect  it to TK
TK did not responded in time frame
The offer is gone.


The yoke experiment was released to the public
The public did not do much about it.
The  possible side effects have been  significantly pointed.
That is all story


Personality:
I'm no different to many of you guys.
I have nothing against money.
I did what I did ,  in hope that TK can give out ready big power device without need of working on it.
I thought that with TK I can make money as well
I thought that without TK I can make money  as well as I'm the closest to TK.
I thought that TK device does not have side effects I experienced.
I thought that government can not stop the device that  does not  give any side effects  and with Yoke device They could.
I thought that TK is not such a drunk and  idiot he was.
I thought that entity  that made an offer will choose me as presenter and translator as TK is incapable of being one.
I thought that by making TK release his secrets to the public I can  make for him  what no one  seem to be able to  make.[/size]
Patent!!!

I'm against patents in this area,
but TK demanded patent.

The  patent story:
in 2008 Mr.Turk patent attorney  (very talented Turkish)  prepared
patent application to TK in exchange for 50% of future profits from sale of technology.
The patent  application is done so good that  no one can  patent  electrostatic concept device any  longer.Unless the law is corrupted.
That was part of my plan to convince TK  plus TK gets 100% of the money from the entity.
Temptation of TK was big to me, but how can you Tempt  the Drunk?
when he is less drunk or more drunk.?


Unfortunately to TK  his application was  placed in   perpetual motion machines category and patent was  not issued.
I  explained to TK that if he give it for free than number of people replicating device will be the prove of concept.
The application than could be reinstated.
My plan was that in exchange for my  help TK will sign   written  agreement  that device will have single licence  for single family  free of charge.
All commercial entities must pay licencing fee.
Including me if I decide to  become one.


Now I thought  TK must be happy.
He is going to get his patent and have money and independence and  be celebrity.
He was to  simple to process it in given time frame.


 So now no Akula nor Ruslan  can get the patent as it must be  something that is new and not released in any form prior to  filing patent application.
TK did not get the patent but he can get the patent any time anyone  release his device for free or not for free as TK priority rights are  on file.
All TK needs is to prove that given  concept , falls into his application category.


That is reality  you like it or not.
for that TK does not need to spend one single  dollar.
Good lawyers  will pay for it from their own pocket in exchange  for piece of pie.



Summary:
You call that greed or no greed than , it is your problem.
I wanted  TK device to be  out  to everyone including me.


Your guys problem is that you in your variety represent mostly
- different background
- different culture
-different  moral, ethical, environmental, and social  spinal cord.


Your standards are not necessarily my standards despite the fact  of value of the standards.
Just mostly different.


Your expectations and your dreams  are not necessarily the same.






Wesley


i'm sorry to hear you went trough all that trouble for nothing, TK is a fool.
You say the yoke device has possible side effect, you mean radiation?
If so than that would be a clue to how the device works and since they all work with same principle?


I don't see the point for people like TK, Akula etc... to show their devices on youtube if they were real.
Think about it, would you show video's of your working FE device over and over for years to a small group of people.
What's the point besides it's good for their ego? Akula showed so many working devices he should get the Nobel price.


I can see how different background, culture etc... can be a problem.







Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 12, 2015, 04:39:39 PM

You call other people names and don't know who TK is?
Think deep deep thinker... clown.

Just to be completely clear.... some people refer to me as "TK" since those are the initials of my handle here on this forum. However when Wesley or some others refer to "TK" they are talking about Tariel Kapanadze, who has made claims and demonstrations that are simply not credible and which have never been properly tested "at the source".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on September 12, 2015, 08:47:13 PM
Just to be completely clear.... some people refer to me as "TK" since those are the initials of my handle here on this forum. However when Wesley or some others refer to "TK" they are talking about Tariel Kapanadze, who has made claims and demonstrations that are simply not credible and which have never been properly tested "at the source".


You right
TK stands for  Tariel Kapanadze for purpose of discussion.


You right
for many  people, made claims and demonstrations  are simply not credible and  have never been properly tested "at the source".


You right
that  the respect should be given to  you as a person who is doing testing as well.
Does that change anything?







Does fact that there were  weapons of mass destruction or not, in Irak  brings back life of fallen  american solders and Irakis  solders as well.
Does that change anything?


TK was first man I have  met, who presented to me (no money charged)
The device that I can not  deny,It was working as stated.
No battery, no power supply.


Have you seen that demonstration  you'll be at the same state of mind .
Have you seen that demonstration  you'll be  able to draw your own conclusion, and discuss your experience  at the same experience level
Have you seen that demonstration  you'll be  more of help  to me  than you are now.
The truth is you have not.


Wesley




I just came from the funeral.
My friend is gone I  wish he was alive.
Does that change anything for him?






Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 12, 2015, 11:54:57 PM
Oh the jbweld guru again lolz

“since the war began on poverty” that sound lovely….

I'm sure nothing really smart coming out! From you.

Do you even know what your parents taught you in your life? I'm sorry pirate but you CANNOT think that far ahead HENCE you believe that poverty cannot be eradicated? You are just a clown sir in the galaxy of smart people lol :P ...to put it in THE COLD HARD TRUTH, if you had 300,0000000 trillion dollars to get rid of poverty, you CAN'T get rid of it because you don't know that money does not make people smart lol, save your money for your kids when they need it? o.0. Based on my questioning over and over again, nothing smart comes from you so you are trying to tell me COMPLEX stuff ABOUT HOW TO GET RID OF POVERTY? Sorry, that is just a joke!

it is 100% obvious with out a doubt that ONE you cannot manage your OWN money TWO you are not qualified to speak about getting rid of poverty!!!! getting rid of poverty is teaching them...ALL KIDS ARE BORN POOR the parents teach them to succeed or stay poor= it's all in the mind rather than buying them a fast car.

Hehheehe, let me hear pirate how to teach a poor kid to learn something new?

I have already figured you out pirate, you are just struggling with money yourself!!!! Your brain has not capability to look further than your struggles. What would shut you up is if you had one million dollars in your bank account! PLEASE! You speaking about getting id of poverty is just a joke! Clowns only are there to say jokes and not to speak about what deep thinkers find solutions too!

I kind of have a feeling that you have never even held 200,000 dollars cash in your hands?

Anything that escapes the earths gravitational pull will speed up in to the dark matter. This is how ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the satellites in to space GATHER their momentum! ALLLL satellites that go to outer space USE this you dumbo! Lol….it does not need explanation for those who are satellite engineers. Let me guess, you want people to teach you so you can say “thank you”!!! Which is what it looks like when ever you speak/write. o.0 WE DON'T WANT TO HEAR THANK YOU ANY MORE< WE WANT TO SEEE SMART PEOPLE CHANGE THE WORLD ONCE AND FOR ALL!!!

Are you telling me that poverty cannot get erased from this earth? You know what is funny, you are a poor person! lol

Joel:

You are so funny.  You actually make me laugh.  You make fun of me not having much money at this time in my life yet, you speak out and insult all of those folks that actually do have money.  You always say that money is bad, it is greed...etc...etc.  But, for some reason, you must think that folks that do not have money are bad too?

Please try to explain how this might make any sense to any one with half a brain?

I do not want to, and will not get into a pissing contest with you...you would lose.

Have you ever started a corporation in your garage that, in less than 5 years, was worth over 2 million dollars?

I didn't think so.

Have you ever designed, or helped design and manufactured parts that are actually still in space?  Some on Mars as we speak? (First Mars Lander)

Nope, didn't think so.

Maybe, just possibly, you should think about what you have done before calling out others that have obviously done much more than you? 

Have you made any parts for the Space Shuttle?  Have you ever helped them redesign a part, and then make it so they could keep their launch schedule?  (STS-60)

No?  Didn't think so.

Have you ever machined pure sapphire rod down to .009" diameter (+ or- .0001 tolerance) to make the first hearing aid implants ever attempted?  (Yes, they worked)

No?  Didn't think so.

Have you ever machined parts for the NASA Space Plane Project?  (Project Aurora)

No?  Really?  Why not?  What about making inertial guidance system parts for DARPA?  No as well?

I could go on and on but obviously would be wasting my time.  It would be much shorter if you told all of us exactly what you HAVE done...if anything.  It is probably a short list I am guessing.

You can say whatever you want but, just a word of caution, when you make ridiculous statements concerning your gross misunderstanding of physics, anyone that actually knows even a little about physics knows you are ignorant of that subject.

Anyway, carry on as I know you will.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on September 13, 2015, 12:25:11 AM

(snip)

Have you seen that demonstration  you'll be at the same state of mind .
Have you seen that demonstration  you'll be  able to draw your own conclusion, and discuss your experience  at the same experience level
Have you seen that demonstration  you'll be  more of help  to me  than you are now.
The truth is you have not.


Wesley


You are right, I have not. Unfortunately I can't travel like I once could. But I would be more than happy to witness and test any item you or anyone else will send me. For example, some of the smaller devices that Akula has presented, only have a few dollars worth of parts in them, yet supposedly put out enough power to light up LEDs or run other loads with no input power. Like the one demonstrated (unconvincingly) in Germany for example. Get one running in your lab, then box it up and send it to me. I'll be happy to test and reverse-engineer it and give a full report. Heck, I'll even pay the postage.... IF it works as claimed.

You can believe me when I tell you that if I had such a device, and was demonstrating it on YouTube trying to convince people it worked, I'd have no problem building up one and sending it to you for testing and reporting.

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I just came from the funeral.
My friend is gone I  wish he was alive.
Does that change anything for him?

I am sorry for your loss. We are all too mortal, and none of us is getting any younger.  No, nothing changes for him, but we have a choice as to whether we want to spend the time remaining to _us_ chasing butterflies, or helping others understand reality.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on September 13, 2015, 12:38:09 AM
Wesley:

I am sorry for your loss.  We all know death is a part of life...blah, blah, blah.  Of course, it is true but being told that at this time is not helpful.  I am 57 and have lost a number of dear friends and family.  The only thing I think I can do is to live life and be happy since they can no longer do so.

It is not easy and again, I am sorry.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 13, 2015, 05:35:05 AM
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You are so funny.  You actually make me laugh.  You make fun of me not having much money at this time in my life yet, you speak out and insult all of those folks that actually do have money.  You always say that money is bad, it is greed...etc...etc.  But, for some reason, you must think that folks that do not have money are bad too?

I don't really mean to insult you at all it is just that when you go against GLOBAL things that can get eradicated is what does not sit well in the stomach. POVERTY can get eradicated 100% sure...it's a FENOMENAL task for everyone willing to tackle that problem (like martin luther king) but in the numbers, it can be eradicated. Your reasoning just points to that it cannot and that is what shows your better judgment.

Lets look at the facts for a minute. How does one make money to live a rich life? Well the education is the 100% key. How does one get educated? Well you get freee education from your parents and public schools. The the parent education only goes so far because the “evolution”/”time” always changes so now you have to pay to be taught education that your parents gave you for freee = survival of the fitest was mostly taught. Now all humans can learn to be anything in the industry – engineer, architect, inventor, singer, etc...but that takes money to pay to go to universities (plus also moral support from the parents). Yara yara yara…

ALLL of the evidence points to that poverty can be eradicated once and for all. When you start talking about 30 trillion dollars being wasted on getting rid of poverty then talking about “they will take the money and stay home.” We are not really on the same page of a solution. IN order to get rid of poverty is by teaching the young, period. And as I already explain the process (well right to the point) how humans learn, it is NOT how you envision it! Which like you said, give them free money! o.0

Teach a man to fish! NOT give a man a lake full of fish!

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Have you ever started a corporation in your garage that, in less than 5 years, was worth over 2 million dollars?

I didn't think so.

Have you ever designed, or helped design and manufactured parts that are actually still in space?  Some on Mars as we speak? (First Mars Lander)

Nope, didn't think so.

Maybe, just possibly, you should think about what you have done before calling out others that have obviously done much more than you? 

Have you made any parts for the Space Shuttle?  Have you ever helped them redesign a part, and then make it so they could keep their launch schedule?  (STS-60)

No?  Didn't think so.

Have you ever machined pure sapphire rod down to .009" diameter (+ or- .0001 tolerance) to make the first hearing aid implants ever attempted?  (Yes, they worked)

No?  Didn't think so.

Have you ever machined parts for the NASA Space Plane Project?  (Project Aurora)

No?  Really?  Why not?  What about making inertial guidance system parts for DARPA?  No as well?

I could go on and on but obviously would be wasting my time.  It would be much shorter if you told all of us exactly what you HAVE done...if anything.  It is probably a short list I am guessing.

Well I do give credit where credit is due and I'm glad you took a part in those...seriously. Well as a matter of fact, let me derail for a minute.

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Have you ever started a corporation in your garage that, in less than 5 years, was worth over 2 million dollars?

I would not mind hearing/reading about this. I have read many book about true stories regarding oil companies and how drugs mess up a life...this type pf stories/books I like because they go beyond the media commercials and get down to the truth. Lol I would not mind hearing your young years story while taking in to account that poverty can be eradicated.

Let me hear/read a short story of your life bill? I will read it. HECK FREEE learning experience for me :) (and others)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on September 13, 2015, 05:57:43 AM
To clarify a little further bill:

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Oh, and your bullet in space theory is also wrong as...if you fire a bullet and it curves around the earth due to gravity, it will never just "shoot out" and go into space.  it would have to accelerate to over 25,000 mph which is earth's gravity escape velocity.  I have never heard of a bullet going that fast.

Don't take that bullet analogy literally, I was actually speaking about Newton's cannonball which is well known and true. All of the rockets that break the earths “gravitational” pull use the “pull” of the mass to “slingshot” out. Now the “shoot out” is real. :P
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on October 03, 2015, 10:30:44 PM
Just when the qeg scammers dept of lies seemed to stop falling, bam!! dolla dolla bill girl spins up the propellers and point downward deeper into that bullshit of fixing the world.  The videos of September are a real hoot.  The latest is just comical beyond belief.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rv0xfe0oJc

Clearly whatever substance consumed now shows its effect on Jamie.  Look at his contradictions.  First, the lack of video of proof is for their protection.  Refusal is the reason when your read between the lines.  A minute later, open source spreading the plans keeps them safe.  Hello?  Did you just hear the words that came from out of your mouth?  Then why in hell do you refuse when you claim to have put yourself into safety?  Classic hypocritical do as I say not as I do.  And amazing it is to claim to be the on the brink of saving the world when at the same time hiding the very thing to save the world from the world.  Must be strong medicine.

Who is this HE?  This one gentlemen that got in touch with them.  A person needing his name protected even after he was put in jail for an invention claim.  If he served time from the FEDS already what is this thing from which he needs protection?  Has he not heard of double jeopardy LOL!!!

And there you have it.  Hopegirl clearly states in the video that several generations out as the length she wants her scam to live in infamy.

Don't even get me started on the early youtube comments supporting these out right fraudsters.
 
Hell with the video.  The real question remains.  Why do you and your followers not HAVE AND UTILIZE a self running qeg?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 03, 2015, 11:19:44 PM
Unreal.  You could not make this stuff up.

She better watch out though, Karma can be a real bitch.  Look at poor Mr. Wayne.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 03, 2015, 11:29:52 PM
There should be no doubt in anyone's mind, by now, that these scammers do not have what they are claiming to have, "but cannot show".  It is no longer possible for anyone with an ounce of brain to think that they are just hopeful and mistaken. They are clearly not telling the truth and are clearly trying to dupe people into supporting their permanent vacation in a place where they are beyond the reach of USA justice.
They are also beyond the protection of USA law, though, and eventually some rich and unscrupulous person whom they have scammed, is going to come looking for them.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on October 04, 2015, 12:24:27 AM
There should be no doubt in anyone's mind, by now, that these scammers do not have what they are claiming to have, "but cannot show".  It is no longer possible for anyone with an ounce of brain to think that they are just hopeful and mistaken. They are clearly not telling the truth and are clearly trying to dupe people into supporting their permanent vacation in a place where they are beyond the reach of USA justice.
They are also beyond the protection of USA law, though, and eventually some rich and unscrupulous person whom they have scammed, is going to come looking for them.

Yes, and when they find her, they will be wearing T-shirts that say: "Ain't Karma a Bitch?"

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on October 04, 2015, 02:14:11 AM
what a twisted cyclic mess.

diversification is their profit model.
not just one scam, but trying to attach themselves to any other possible trickle sources of income.

their lastest focus seems to be as pure as a hypocrite can aim for.
talking about other charities being so highly profitable, as if to compare the qeg team to try and seem honest.
what a selective bunch of lying scumbags.

they have done nothing for experimenters and science, other than to warn people that there is too much room for selective bunches of lying scumbags that seek to enable themselves to litter the streets of progress in a manner that lowers property values in the area.

its too bad moroccan authorities might be too underfunded and corrupted to care not enough to deal with their newest unpatriotic guested citizens who've set up shop there.
its like the scammers have created themselves a amnesty towards further rip off developments.

meanwhile the qeg team continue to practice acting like they care about their viewers financial or time donated expenses. vomit.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 04, 2015, 02:24:41 AM
Yes, and when they find her, they will be wearing T-shirts that say: "Ain't Karma a Bitch?"

Bill

HypeGirl in a T-shirt is an image I'd rather not be seeing, thanks.

Grrrl be not missing any meals, that's fo sho.

Meanwhile it looks like the strain is getting to poor old James. He's looking sicker and sicker with every appearance. And just look at his body language in that video. He's not a very good liar at all.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on October 04, 2015, 04:20:51 AM





That is very interesting moment  in our discussion.
I  have spend plenty of money   for the lab.
I have had easy money  to be collected many times, and  I still can find sponsors I think,( I do not know for sure) and yet I was avoiding it as much as I could.
Definitely  if I see someone I want to promote I will find big  guys with big money.
As long as there is no me in the equation, and Investor is investing in one of you guys
Nobody can touch me. I do not take money from it nor I'm  a part of the deal.


TK blow such opportunity..and he unlikely get it from me again.


For those who cares :
The important  is to catch  the moment in your hand, when is accessible to you.
The moment is gone and you are with or without money


However if you do so ,than you are mostly with money and in deep s...t
With money there is always responsibility to deliver in time frame that is set  for you by others.
In many cases there is unfinished business and your life necessity  that needs to be taken care of.
So the question becomes at what point is care a choice or necessity,


So say  you have got money 
You should not touch that money for your  personal use., It was given to you for a  very specific  reason .
It is not job offer, it is mostly other people money given to you to deliver end results.
Can you  experiment without  the shoes? food? can you stop that what was giving you income , just give it away,
what if something goes wrong?


In some cases, investor sets some funds for you, and rest for the project.
At the end money is gone and you are being scrutinized
Some of very wealthy people can give you  donation, and yet they  want to feel good not like fools.
The reality is that most of you must have ready working product to avoid any accusations.
The reality is that most of  wealthy people want patents and exclusivity rights.[/size]
The reality is that most  of wealthy donors do not do it for you, they do it for themselves, for their own satisfaction or  for a  tool to corrupt other people  empire. 
And you?
You are  just  a delivery guy .





I  work slow, buy very expensive equipment  at very cheap price ,
I wait  for next tool   I need, sometimes  months and years.
I'm becoming  one of just few who have non commercial lab of this magnitude in USA
I'm not the best guy in the field,However I feel very myself very strong in most of the subjects discussed .
In most of them I can fly high up, in other  i can barely walk, however there are not so many fields I assume I would have problem walking up.
Chemistry is for me something I should have been paying much more attention to, when I was  young.
But for last 5 years I slowly  get quite progress there.
 
I do not ask for  money
I sleep well
I'm happy


Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on October 04, 2015, 04:44:42 AM
Hi all
I hope you do not mind I featured some of your comments in the latest QEG Scam Girl story I ran.


http://revolution-green.com/qeg-scam-girl-sinking-in-a-sea-of-lies/


Kind Regards
Mark

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 04, 2015, 06:32:41 AM
Note that she has changed her strategy re comments, too. Before now, they always disabled comments on their videos. Now, she realizes how bad that looked, so she's allowing comments, but is deleting negative comments and blocking the negative commenters. There will be nothing but positive encouraging comments to be seen on those videos. The best that critics can do is to leave a "thumbs down" vote... if they haven't already been blocked that is. 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 04, 2015, 11:48:02 AM
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they have done nothing for experimenters and science, other than to warn people that there is too much room for selective bunches of lying scumbags that seek to enable themselves to litter the streets of progress in a manner that lowers property values in the area.

WOW! Ok lets diagnose what “they” have done from the beginning? I get the “feels” of “their” beliefs not “matching” your beliefs...but calling them scumbags? Do you understand that you where born from a female uterus and was considered a parasite once or twice?

How smart are you to use AC electricity and breathing air? Let me get straight to the bone, what are your abilities as a human being to help the community?

Lets hear it out!!! It will be an eye opener when you can't even understand how a toilet works. To which if you can't, anything else that comes out of your mouth is not important!!

Let me guess, you are old and still stuck in the KKK mentality?

The QEG sounds like really PERSONAL for you. When 100% facts is that the QEG is not a one item/thing/human deal. =Quantum Energy Generator. Your lack of intelligence just makes me want to erase you from the evolution time line.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on October 04, 2015, 12:27:29 PM



    Joel I can never figure out what you're saying. Do you read what you've written?
 Poor old Jamie looks absolutely done for, he's obviously having a hard time trying
 invent rubbish for the videos, I'd say the QEG has taken a heavy toll on him.
            John.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on October 04, 2015, 01:10:06 PM
They lied from the start, they still tell lies now. T
hey exploited the plight of poor and impoverished people for their own personal gain. I think scumbags is a rather light label for them.
I will be going Morocco myself in the next two years and deliver some real technology to help with water pumping and electricity needs. Those poor people were left with nothing while Fat Girl was lining up for all you can eat buffets and travelling around the world.
I can forgive them as I do, but the universe, Karma or God may make them answerable.
Kind Regards
Mark
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 06, 2015, 07:23:21 AM
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Joel I can never figure out what you're saying. Do you read what you've written?
Poor old Jamie looks absolutely done for, he's obviously having a hard time trying
invent rubbish for the videos, I'd say the QEG has taken a heavy toll on him.

Yeah I understand, that is a prize to pay when it comes to make a HUGE!!! difference from the regular people that just sit in their chairs. Jesus died to set an example. Martin Luther king died to set an example. Gandhi died to set an example! It is exhausting to change the world that can mean it will make your life taking a heavy toll. You need to be religious and have a psychological PHD to understand this type of things and just a high school diploma to not understand the deeper things going on here.

Even if their QEG needs more tweaking, their bravery is wayyyyyyyyyyyyy more balls than yours. And this type of balls is what motivates others to make a movement. If you can understand physiology, you need to learn by free will or you need to learn by someone telling you what to do. Now the tricky thing is that if your whole life you where told what to do, how can you break away by yourself thinking on your own? It is 10000% facts than 90% of the people went against Albert Einsteins ideas! It is 10000% facts that even the wright brothers had a very very hard time trying to “prove” their facts! You can see all the shyt they had to go through here https://youtu.be/1XbM3nJ7r2M

The majority of the stupid people are gullible and scared, the smartest people are way beyond your thinking. But since the world revolves around opinions from the common people, one just needs to “convince” all what will benefit them.

If you can tell me what will benefit you? Then I will really take your opinions as 100% correct.

Yeah I know, I think too much. I have been living in my mind since very little. I actually like thinking and find pride when I can out-think other people. Trying to tell people that they are living in a manipulating life is very very very very hard!!!! Unless you can tell me that your life is just?
 
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on October 06, 2015, 09:26:10 AM
Hi all
I hope you do not mind I featured some of your comments in the latest QEG Scam Girl story I ran.


http://revolution-green.com/qeg-scam-girl-sinking-in-a-sea-of-lies/


Kind Regards
Mark

its a good thing you are making sure decent people don't become victims.
to suggest the idea of travelling over to morocco to 'fix the world of some of the damages FTW did',
has got to be one of the noblest of considerations.

you have my full support with your publishing efforts.
and also a salute for stepping up to the plate of decency in spite of possibly being one of the last real hopes the depressingly disavantaged victims of 'FTW scam organization' have to look forward to.

perhaps with the correct location and specifications for the water well in question can be documented in advance,
as to make research and ordering of parts and supplies more streamlined.
there may even be a way to reduce costs approaching various suppliers who wish to help create good karma for themselves and those involved in the correction process.

much respect from myself and the all important victims

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqB71zV5t8U
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: minnie on October 06, 2015, 11:32:16 AM



   Joel,
        loads of folk cite the Wright bros. It was the petrol engine that was the key!
   The amazing part was that they built their own engine.
      Look at Aerial Steam Carriage on wiki for a bit of history.
   The QEG. is just a second-hand fraud instigated by Witts or something like
   that.
           John

     joel.  If you want a good laugh do a search for WITTS ministries.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on October 06, 2015, 11:37:20 PM
The Wright brothers also NEVER claimed to have what they did NOT in fact have. This seems to be what Joel is missing about this QEG affair.

For Joel's benefit:

The Robitaille clan claimed over and over to have a WORKING QEG that would run itself, with extra power left over to run a home, that all you needed to do was to run it up to resonance and it would run itself, and it could even be started with a crank mechanism. They claimed that you could buy the core from Torelco, assemble the system according to their "open source" plans, and it would work as they claimed, running itself and powering homes, etc. See how they are STILL making these claims, which are not true:
http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?catid=0 (http://be-do.com/index.php/en/faq?catid=0)

NONE OF THIS WAS, or is now, TRUE. Yet they made these claims on several different crowdfunding sites in order to get hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations, and they are still making the claims, and as you can see from their recent videos, they are flailing and flopping around trying to convince people even now, with the flimsiest, most implausible excuses imaginable for not being able to demonstrate what they actually DO NOT HAVE. No such shenanigans ever came from the Wright brothers.

This is fundamentally dishonest, no matter whether the QEG could potentially be made to work as they claimed or not. (And of course it cannot, as any _real_ electrical engineer or physicist familiar with the subject matter can tell you.) In other words, it's a scam. Just as much as selling desert property with the claim that a shallow well will provide unlimited water. Sure, water exists, the land exists, but the SCAM consists in making FALSE CLAIMS about them, and taking money from people who believe the FALSE CLAIMS, who would not otherwise give money.


BTW: the Wright brothers built and flew man-carrying kites, and even soared for long durations in gliders, before they basically took their best glider design and hung an engine on it to make the first operational airplane. They invented the Wind Tunnel and did many many hours of wind-tunnel testing to perfect aerodynamic control systems, and they spent many hours learning how to control the kites and gliders before they made their first powered airplane flights. They proceeded according to the Scientific Method, they had working examples of powered heavier-than-air flight in the form of birds and insects, and they _never_ made claims that they could not back up with actual demonstrations. Whether or not ignorant journalists or even "scientists" believed them at first is actually irrelevant, since they could, and did, demonstrate the truth of their claims when asked to do so.

We will _NEVER_ see an actual demonstration of a self-running QEG powering a home or even being started with a crank mechanism! From the Robitailles or from anyone else! And if there is a single person anywhere that actually believes in the famous WITTS demonstration.... I feel sorry for that person, and I wonder why that person hasn't sold everything and given all the money to Timmy Thrapp to buy one.

(From the looks of things, the Robitailles will soon have a really good excuse for not showing a working QEG -- James looks like he's on Death's doorstep right now.)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 09, 2015, 07:44:13 AM
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   Joel,
        loads of folk cite the Wright bros. It was the petrol engine that was the key!
   The amazing part was that they built their own engine.
      Look at Aerial Steam Carriage on wiki for a bit of history.

Yeah I see your point. I also stumbled on Gustave Whitehead. But it's the same situation today as it was for the Wright bros (or the rest back then) – they seek to fund their inventions to make it big. The struggle for the Write brothers took a long time to get noticed by inventors. But, by doing the math, we could say that there where other people that had better engines and aircraft’s back then but maybe they where discouraged to the point that they gave up. The Wright brothers fought and fought and fought to get noticed. Watch the video. They had to almost beg to get noticed, and when someone did, they became the undying fame.

Do you know if they where fighting to win a monetary price back then or did they just do it because they just wanted to help the evolution of civilization?

I have a feeling it was due from human emotion recipes 1) curiosity – we humans are natural curious people. e.g. we want to live in other planets. 2) attention – we want to be noticed and win a gold medal e.g. sport. 3) money – we want to be rich to stop struggling to survive e.g. poverty/middle class. Etc. But after we understand these humans emotions we can easily do the math of the intentions of people. Math is easy to understand, is the psychological part that is the most complicated all the way down to the conscious mind. What are you thinking from what other brain is thinking? What is the purpose of your thinking? Is it that you re following a social group status or that you are thinking past the social norm, for example, chocolate cookies are the best for all the people instead of almond cookies.

OK ok, I’m getting ahead of myself, back to “human emotion recipes”. We have to understand what is the biggest emotion at present time? At the top is curiosity!!!! we all love to learn and we will continue to love till we die. Another at the top is reproducing pleasures since that is what drives us to keep on multiplying. Those are example of what the flesh desires. What about the virtual world? Number 1 is money. 99.9% of the people if they where to find $10,000 US dollars next to a homeless person, most likely than not would take it home with them than to give it to them homeless person. SO what is the purpose of your neighbor? To help you out or to take advantage of you? And the answer is that you are thinking that everyone is out to get you, and it is true, because everyone is trying to take your money. Why? Because that is how the civilized world teaches us = dog-eat-dog-world, money-makes-the-world-go-round. But among all of that, there are truly people that want to help unconditionally. This comes from the side of the mother genetic code where the mother would give her life for her kids and also one of the reasons why a lot of females get taken advantage of in the flesh, emotional, and monetary.

LOL you see how things get complicated! BUT they are not as complicated after you understand these things because this is part of human “curiosity” of every human being. We just need to understand them in order to laugh at those that deserved to be laughed at. Punish those that deserve to be punished. Praise those that deserve to be praised.  If you can understand all of what I said, in my own personal opinion, the QEG is like the wright brothers struggling to get noticed, but now that I see that they got attention, I will agree with you that they need more evidence to see the Wright bros flight. But the movement, I'm 100% sure, has motivated thousandths of others. Hope to see QEG 2.0 to 10.0. :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on October 09, 2015, 09:29:04 AM
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NONE OF THIS WAS, or is now, TRUE. Yet they made these claims on several different crowdfunding sites in order to get hundreds of thousands of dollars in donations, and they are still making the claims, and as you can see from their recent videos, they are flailing and flopping around trying to convince people even now, with the flimsiest, most implausible excuses imaginable for not being able to demonstrate what they actually DO NOT HAVE. No such shenanigans ever came from the Wright brothers.

Yeah I think I’m beginning to understand. I kind of had a feeling that that was the case but I decided to not go against it to push it on to see where it went. But I think it has been pushed far enough to not see the real truth going on here. Case in point, although Hopegirl may have found “enlightenment” by this recent post https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/10/02/disenchanted-with-the-new-age-movement-by-hopegirl/ , it does show the immaturity of a person whom fell with the wrong crowd “new age” whatever that means.

From my psychological understanding since the beginning was that she was a “mother figure” and the social butterfly and NOT the brains of the operation. The smart guy (who actually built the thing) I’m sure had no help from WITTS. He was/is trying to support the happy butterfly. But the BEAUTY about a positive and negative is that they can create something that could make them grow further. ALL IT TAKES IS REFLECTING! But yeah, I agree the QEG seems now that there needs a ONCE AND FOR ALL Wright brothers evidence. It kind of looks like they piggybacked the idea somehow...may have been for good intentions, but good intentions only go so far. But I can't forget the mother figure example because when I talk to my mom or when I talk to my GF, they can't understand a word I'm saying...BUTTT they want me to be happy and live to 1000 years old. They would rather give me their food so that I can eat...what is the math on that? They may not understand how the universe works but they want me to survive and would do their best for me to get there? Explain that math?

But yeah, I see the QEG now to be honest.

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BTW: the Wright brothers built and flew man-carrying kites, and even soared for long durations in gliders, before they basically took their best glider design and hung an engine on it to make the first operational airplane. They invented the Wind Tunnel and did many many hours of wind-tunnel testing to perfect aerodynamic control systems, and they spent many hours learning how to control the kites and gliders before they made their first powered airplane flights. They proceeded according to the Scientific Method, they had working examples of powered heavier-than-air flight in the form of birds and insects, and they _never_ made claims that they could not back up with actual demonstrations. Whether or not ignorant journalists or even "scientists" believed them at first is actually irrelevant, since they could, and did, demonstrate the truth of their claims when asked to do so.

I agree, but you have to understand that the Wright brothers had to learned from someone else. They did not come out of the birth canal and then came up with all of this ideas. They learned these new ideas and where the “winners” in a race. Just like today in the year 2015, there are races to get the novel prize and to understand dark matter and prove it. If you want to give the credit for the first flying aircraft, get in touch with an alien or give the fabric of space a gold medal for being able to hold galaxies in mid dark energy :P...oooh what about the birds? What bird was the first bird to fly? Ohhh, but what about the atom that decided that wanted to fly? But there are shyt load of atoms that are flying…:)

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We will _NEVER_ see an actual demonstration of a self-running QEG powering a home or even being started with a crank mechanism! From the Robitailles or from anyone else!

Hey man, you cannot predict the future. Maybe this world will experience a great extinction to get rid of all of this confusion and sinners of GREEED and new people will reborn (what about parallel universes?). There are things that I stumble every day that make me see little puzzles of what's to come. Take for example this here...http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhqahh_laser-beam-powered-propulsion-spacecraft-lightcraft_tech now if you think about the probabilities, there is this very technology already happening. One thing I know is that “NEVER” only exists about 80 years old expectancy...or wait, how old is the word never? :) my point is because you say NEVER, does not mean it dies the minute you say it. I think it maybe a possibility that is was a great invention that a great thinker died and not continued to make it evolve and then some one got a hold of that idea and is holding it hostage...that idea may be great but the person holding it hostage is not allowing other great minds to get a hold of it and make it grow...heck, look at the hermit crab...it's like a lobster with no tail exoskeleton, yet it's all over the place. Not very important as the human race, but the thing is there. If you where the first person to be born in the world, how many NEVER'S would you have said?

What is your definition of a QEG? The sun is what? The earth is what? The galaxy is what? The human body is what? An electron is what? Ohh wait wait, let me ask you this, the money is what? :)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on November 23, 2015, 11:28:47 AM
Well, thanks to Naima and Jamie Morocco is happening!  Really crispy!

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/26/morocco-poised-to-become-a-solar-superpower-with-launch-of-desert-mega-project (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/26/morocco-poised-to-become-a-solar-superpower-with-launch-of-desert-mega-project)

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/worlds-largest-solar-power-plant-ouarzazate-morocco/ (http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/worlds-largest-solar-power-plant-ouarzazate-morocco/)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on November 27, 2015, 06:15:48 AM
Well, thanks to Naima and Jamie Morocco is happening!  Really crispy!

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/26/morocco-poised-to-become-a-solar-superpower-with-launch-of-desert-mega-project (http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/oct/26/morocco-poised-to-become-a-solar-superpower-with-launch-of-desert-mega-project)

http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/worlds-largest-solar-power-plant-ouarzazate-morocco/ (http://www.digitaltrends.com/cool-tech/worlds-largest-solar-power-plant-ouarzazate-morocco/)


====

and just now on coast 2 coast with george norry patti greer was talking about the qeg.
its nov 27 2015 and she is inadvertantly promoting the qeg on live radio.
http://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/2015/11/25

has she not put any effort into researching and backchecking before promoting?
no wait that doesn't matter, shes too busy manufacturing shipments of more special koolaid.

http://www.pattygreer.net/patty-greer-takes-sacha-stone-into-his-first-crop-circle-in-2014/

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ha! that affiliate marketeer of frauduelents also asking for donations.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on December 29, 2015, 03:54:00 AM

replication of Vasmus,  concept by  Sergey Gorihovsky- Vasmus Free Energy Device


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTtWlPw4emo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTtWlPw4emo)[/font][/size]
Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on January 04, 2016, 06:47:20 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=260ILnIjVeA




Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on January 04, 2016, 09:24:02 AM
element93rd, I would like to speke face to face with you....and then YOU show me how I failed speaking to you! I just picture me talking to you I need a gun or a knife....do you think fucking in the pusssy on a female makes then feel pretty?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: joel321 on January 05, 2016, 11:34:09 AM
Element93rd, I have my ways to “persuade” others from their truth… If you believe that I need help, I don't care. We both know 100000% that the sun is a self QEG...and we both know that we are looking to tap in to that energy! That the whole bible ONLY teaches past experiences! AND also, the way to a good life!

I know that rain is a QEG, air is a QEG, water is a QEG, human vision spectrum is a QEG….I KNOW THAT EVERYTHING NEEDS TO MAKE A 360! = QEG. The most important thing to me is what QEG is the most efficient? I don't care if one makes a QEG for a pretty girl/s, I only care how efficient it is. 

If you are here to tell me that the QEG is 10000% false, then you are 30000% wrong. The issue is that the energy needs to get respected and USED! Seeing that this world is getting killed, there is no need for more energy. I have accepted the accumulation of dumb asses! Where there are more stupid asses, they will over come the creator….and that is why I feel like there will be a great extinction where all of the human dirt will be washed from the windshield! Lol

You cannot kill two chickens and expect to live for three months.

My frustration is that the QEG (chicken shyt) is real! There is no question about making more money than input!!!!! MOre energy than spending! ! 100000000000000000000000000000000000% energy is free! Or more energy that humans know what to do with it! I have thought about this pretty deep. water gives us food, sound gives us food, light gives us food, motors gives us food...WHY THE POLLUTION OF THIS EARTH? Fuck the QEQ that's nothing! WHY ARE WE SO BLIND THAT Everyone LIES TO US?

I see the answer in the QEG 10000% and I see it as a way to manipulate humans toooo. IT is the person that understands, thet galaxy first with money, dictates the human insects!

I am not going in to the dark side at all, I am just saying that the QEG machine is tru (sun, earth, milky way)... and in the female  too that I don't want to talk about it...but the QEG is real from mother nature!!!!!

EVRYTHING THAT YOU EXPERIMENT WITH COMES FROM A "QEG"....or for FREEE... or from FREEE ENERGY...or from a GOD! Or from an atom!

I AM tired of these atheists and gay people.  NOTHING!!! changes...the universe is not gay! Just because people believe in the atom does NOT get rid of the aliens!

THE QEG IS REALLL!!!!!!!! JUST LIKE THE FUCKEN ATOM IS!!!!!!!!!!

Why is it so hard to understand how manufacturers make components? 1<1 get the fuck out of my face! It is 1>1. And the QEG is part of it for the people....the ritch people don't need no QEG!
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ACG on January 10, 2016, 11:21:53 PM
Just when you thought it had fully died.  It leaps from the spot all thought it would rest forever more, grabs and tightens its vile sickly fingers around your neck for leverage, spreads its legs, then releases the most loudest grotesque violent roar out of its lungs that sends even the most strongest of Beast and the most battled hardened of Men down to their knees in fear.  The death of qeg gave birth to......   mini geq teslagen v1!


https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/new-the-mini-qeg-teslagen-v1/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 11, 2016, 12:48:26 AM
Just when you thought it had fully died.  It leaps from the spot all thought it would rest forever more, grabs and tightens its vile sickly fingers around your neck for leverage, spreads its legs, then releases the most loudest grotesque violent roar out of its lungs that sends even the most strongest of Beast and the most battled hardened of Men down to their knees in fear.  The death of qeg gave birth to......   mini geq teslagen v1!


https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/new-the-mini-qeg-teslagen-v1/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2016/01/08/new-the-mini-qeg-teslagen-v1/)



Holy crap!  How stupid does she think folks are?  What about all of those folks that spent/donated all of that money?  Will they not wonder why the QEG does not work and now there is this "new" device?  What about all those folks that bought all of the cores and such to do replications?  Do they not wonder why their device does not work as advertised?

Someone should alert the proper folks who can stop these crooks from sucking up money from decent but gullible people.  This just stinks and HopelessGirl has sunk to yet another new low.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 11, 2016, 11:38:14 AM
You would hope that some of the various groups that spent thousands and thousands of dollars on this farce would have the courage to come forward and report that their QEGs did not work as advertised.  Instead they all seem to be following the Canadian model and they disappeared in a puff of embarrassment.

I think the last big QEG crowd funding drive in late 2014 only raised something like $80 so clearly the gullible contributors were tapped out.  So I kind of doubt that this dude is going to get the $20,000 he is asking for but you never know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--IqqusnNQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v--IqqusnNQ)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 14, 2016, 01:15:37 AM
Wow, perhaps some information about the validity of this whole thing got back to the people at fundrazr.com.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on January 14, 2016, 05:22:15 AM
Wow, perhaps some information about the validity of this whole thing got back to the people at fundrazr.com.

Probably the same person who shut down QEG Canadas fundraising
at GoFundMe contacted them with the same information he (or she)
presented before.

I'm guessing  ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: markdansie on January 14, 2016, 06:21:09 AM
http://revolution-green.com/the-last-scam-and-fraud-from-hopegirl-new-the-mini-qeg-teslagen-v1/#comment-2456565472



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: allcanadian on January 14, 2016, 06:16:36 PM
@pirate
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Someone should alert the proper folks who can stop these crooks from sucking up
money from decent but gullible people.  This just stinks and HopelessGirl has
sunk to yet another new low.

It's all relative, 80% of people believe a bearded man in a white dress created the universe in six days. They have no proof of anything, obviously, and these organizations take in billions upon billions of dollars annually. Should we alert the authorities?,  should we stop these crooks from sucking up
money from decent but gullible people?. I mean their beliefs defy all logic and reason and contradict all we call science so why doesn't anyone do something?. If one cannot see the humor in how ridiculous we all are then your just not trying hard enough. I'm surprise you guys haven't started chanting incantations-- burn the witch, burn the witch, lol.
Obviously it appears to be a scam but from a logical, psychological point of view most things we have come to believe are as well... it's all relative.
AC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on January 14, 2016, 08:10:01 PM
@pirate
It's all relative, 80% of people believe a bearded man in a white dress created the universe in six days. They have no proof of anything, obviously, and these organizations take in billions upon billions of dollars annually. Should we alert the authorities?,  should we stop these crooks from sucking up
money from decent but gullible people?

While I agree with all that you say above, this time it is different.


Please notice in the activity of their fundrazr https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/615XY8 (https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/615XY8),
that a certain someone named Wilhelmina gave $1,000 to the campaign.

This is the same Wilhelmina (a 75 year old widow from Canada) referred to in this article
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/11/03/free-energy-full-disclosure-the-qeg-chronicles-part-1-rbc-bank-and-120k/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/11/03/free-energy-full-disclosure-the-qeg-chronicles-part-1-rbc-bank-and-120k/)

She is in the process of donating $120,000 (that is ONE HUNDRED and TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS)
to these people.

That doesn't sit well with me.


Even though some may think it is none of my business,
then conversely, it is none of their business if I want to try to persuade her differently.

Via a number of means including but not limited to :

1. Communications with fundraising websites detailing past activity and outcomes,
    and evidence for fraud.
    (e.g. Aouchtam, Morocco still without a functioning QEG)
    Seemingly successful so far.


2. Communications with her close friends (via publicly accessed contact info) who may hopefully feel compelled
    to review the info presented and to pass it along.

3. Communications to Other QEG groups (Not Yet Started) encouraging them to share their experience so far.
   (This will hopefully also give an insight to others contemplating joining anything QEG and FTW related
   as to how transparent / honest Naima Feagin and Dijon Rios - Hope and Tivon - have been)


This approach above will hopefully have a positive effect without having to deal with a bunch of lying crooks.

The best evidence so far is contained in the youtube video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJKE5DJRMFQ) at 19:56
The timestamp of this Apr 6, 2014 video along with the later Mar 2015 article
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/03/11/co-developing-the-qeg-what-it-means-and-why-we-are-doing-it/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/03/11/co-developing-the-qeg-what-it-means-and-why-we-are-doing-it/)
proves the lie conclusively.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 14, 2016, 10:46:07 PM
That really shocking, and it's disgusting.  It's the classic case of an attempt to swindle the life savings away from a little old lady.  If I can find out any information to help you I will send it to you.

Failed replicators of the QEG, you need to forget your pride and your embarrassment and step forward and speak the truth.  It's the morally right thing to do.  Take a look at the attached picture of the woman that wants to give a literal fortune to the sleazy QEG con artists.

And there are so many regulars on this forum that never say anything.  That's a problem also, you are weak and mute and sometimes have the moral fiber and backbone of grossly over cooked spaghetti.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: allcanadian on January 15, 2016, 12:19:08 AM
@PIH123
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While I agree with all that you say above, this time it is different.
Please notice in the activity of their fundrazr https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/615XY8 (https://fundrazr.com/campaigns/615XY8),
that a certain someone named Wilhelmina gave $1,000 to the campaign.
This is the same Wilhelmina (a 75 year old widow from Canada)
referred to in this article
https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/11/03/free-energy-full-disclosure-the-qeg-chronicles-part-1-rbc-bank-and-120k/ (https://hopegirl2012.wordpress.com/2015/11/03/free-energy-full-disclosure-the-qeg-chronicles-part-1-rbc-bank-and-120k/)
She is in the process of donating $120,000 (that is ONE
HUNDRED and TWENTY THOUSAND DOLLARS
)to these people.
That doesn't sit well with me

In many ways I have come to see it is all the same. My grandfather found god at 70 and turned into a condescending asshole determined to give everything to the church however my grandmother had the good sense to divorce him first. A good friend has MS and he tells me of all donations less than 25% goes to patients and research not unlike most supposed charities... he will die of MS because the MS society will not help him. Much of the taxes I pay go to people who do nothing of substance or show up as multi-million dollar subsidies to billion dollar companies or fat pensions for corrupt politicians.
I have learned not to get too upset by this kind of thing because it pales in comparison to the scam know as modern civilization. Most everyone pretends to be something they are not and say things they never intend to do and believe things without proof as none is required. It's like watching a global commercial where all the actors play out their part trying to convince everyone their BS is real. Should I get upset at everyone and everything?, we will do what we do despite the facts as we have always done and unfortunately I see no end to it. The trick is not to lose your marbles, if you lose your marbles your screwed, lol.
 
AC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: PIH123 on January 15, 2016, 12:55:02 AM
I have learned not to get too upset by this kind of thing because it pales in comparison to the scam know as modern civilization.

This one got to me.

Quote
Should I get upset at everyone and everything?, we will do what we do despite the facts as we have always done and unfortunately I see no end to it. The trick is not to lose your marbles, if you lose your marbles your screwed, lol.

Don't worry, I have plenty of time I can direct towards this one.



And like MH has already done, my next steps will be calling out anyone who was an early follower of these people.
They should have the courage to step forward and state what they now know to be true.


Saying nothing is the worst failing of this website and many others.

Luc Choquette (gotoluc) is an example.
He worked on the QEG in the early days, but I have NEVER seen him say flat out that this is a scam (as he now knows it is).
People will then look at his postings and find encouragement that this thing works, because he was making encouraging sounding posts.
But when the ball finally dropped and he finally realized, he just dropped it and went quiet.
This is one of his last postings on the QEG
http://overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg401199/#msg401199 (http://overunity.com/14443/quantum-energy-generator-qeg-open-sourced-by-hopegirl/msg401199/#msg401199)

Well Luc ?

Does it work or not (FROM YOUR MOUTH)
Unless you say so, no one looking for evidence will ever know how you made out, because you never said.


Thanks

Pete
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 15, 2016, 04:26:32 AM
@PIH123
In many ways I have come to see it is all the same. My grandfather found god at 70 and turned into a condescending asshole determined to give everything to the church however my grandmother had the good sense to divorce him first. A good friend has MS and he tells me of all donations less than 25% goes to patients and research not unlike most supposed charities... he will die of MS because the MS society will not help him. Much of the taxes I pay go to people who do nothing of substance or show up as multi-million dollar subsidies to billion dollar companies or fat pensions for corrupt politicians.
I have learned not to get too upset by this kind of thing because it pales in comparison to the scam know as modern civilization. Most everyone pretends to be something they are not and say things they never intend to do and believe things without proof as none is required. It's like watching a global commercial where all the actors play out their part trying to convince everyone their BS is real. Should I get upset at everyone and everything?, we will do what we do despite the facts as we have always done and unfortunately I see no end to it. The trick is not to lose your marbles, if you lose your marbles your screwed, lol.
 
AC

Come on AC, you are smarter than this.  This is a false comparison and a very poor analogy.  I believe in God, as many do.  No one,  NO ONE, has proven God does not exist.  It has been proven that the QEG is a scam and does not work.  Very big difference there.

Surely you can do better than this.  This is worse than apples and oranges.

Bill

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: allcanadian on January 15, 2016, 08:17:28 AM
@Bill
Quote
Come on AC, you are smarter than this.  This is a false comparison and a very poor analogy.  I believe in God, as many do.  No one,  NO ONE, has proven God does not exist.  It has been proven that the QEG is a scam and does not work.  Very big difference there.


So you believe in an all knowing omniscient being that created the whole universe, the whole damn universe mind you, in a matter of days... and yet somehow you cannot believe in a motor/generator made of iron and copper wire? . May God bless you Bill because your sense of belief is fucked up beyond all recognition.


AC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: allcanadian on January 15, 2016, 04:38:26 PM
Let's talk about logic and probabilities Bill. Which do you honestly believe is the more likely scenario?


1) Someone read some shit on the internet and put a motor together with a generator and by sheer luck it manipulated the electromagnetic fields in such a way that it transformed external energy. Energy from a universe proven beyond all shadow of doubt by the most intelligent people to be literally seething with energy on every level... a sea of energy everywhere in everything.


Or


2) All the thousands of gods in our history are silly make believe nonsense created by misguided people but not your god Bill...your god is real. Your god created the whole damn universe and everything in it from nothing just for you, because he loves you. Your god created everything for eternity from nothing and in this infinite universe of trillions upon trillions of planets and life forms he chooses to spend all his time watching over you specifically... because he loves you Bill.


Damn... makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
AC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on January 15, 2016, 06:40:42 PM
it is so disgusting to learn that some elderly lady is caught up in a scam that will do their best to rip her off. :(

120 thousand dollars? grrr..

the qeg lying robbing scumbags must be stopped!!

a couple days ago i left a voice mail on the website for the qeg's current funder to inform them about the scammers that are trying to use their website as a conduit for robbing people blind that are too blind to walk alone into certain mindfields without being protected from harm.

they have not returned my call, however it should be encouraged that other readers here also leave them a voice mail or email in efforts to help shut the scammers into sanctionland.



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on January 15, 2016, 06:52:17 PM
@pirate
It's all relative, 80% of people believe a bearded man in a white dress created the universe in six days. They have no proof of anything, obviously, and these organizations take in billions upon billions of dollars annually. Should we alert the authorities?,  should we stop these crooks from sucking up
money from decent but gullible people?. I mean their beliefs defy all logic and reason and contradict all we call science so why doesn't anyone do something?. If one cannot see the humor in how ridiculous we all are then your just not trying hard enough. I'm surprise you guys haven't started chanting incantations-- burn the witch, burn the witch, lol.
Obviously it appears to be a scam but from a logical, psychological point of view most things we have come to believe are as well... it's all relative.
AC

bingo. you just hit one right out of the park! i could not agree more. thankyou
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: SoManyWires on January 15, 2016, 07:28:54 PM
@PIH123
In many ways I have come to see it is all the same. My grandfather found god at 70 and turned into a condescending asshole determined to give everything to the church however my grandmother had the good sense to divorce him first. A good friend has MS and he tells me of all donations less than 25% goes to patients and research not unlike most supposed charities... he will die of MS because the MS society will not help him. Much of the taxes I pay go to people who do nothing of substance or show up as multi-million dollar subsidies to billion dollar companies or fat pensions for corrupt politicians.
I have learned not to get too upset by this kind of thing because it pales in comparison to the scam know as modern civilization. Most everyone pretends to be something they are not and say things they never intend to do and believe things without proof as none is required. It's like watching a global commercial where all the actors play out their part trying to convince everyone their BS is real. Should I get upset at everyone and everything?, we will do what we do despite the facts as we have always done and unfortunately I see no end to it. The trick is not to lose your marbles, if you lose your marbles your screwed, lol.
 
AC

your friend with ms deserves so much a better chance at finding a cure than seems currently allowed by the overpaid 'managers' of donated funds.
just imagine how many more cures could be discovered if given the opportunity!
ya its ok to get frustrated to the point of being angry enough to take a stand against such marginalization$.

and why does it cost them 50 dollars for something that should only cost less than 5?
examples of this overcosting can be: medical supplies.

someone with a ms problem might happen to visit a location that is very equipped to sell helpful items geared towards disabled people.
and yet the friggin prices labelled on these somehow almost unaffordable items are kept so profitably high.

if it seeing these forms of their solutions to problems people face does not appear like further insults to injuries, a general slap in the face, then perhaps the fixation of mind upon cartoon characters in the sky that do not exist seems a much more ideal proposition to bury their heads blindly into mind programming religious scriptures and think nothing of the real truth that is very sad to absorb for them.

meanwhile the world news keeps getting more pathetic because of their various CONstruct$.

how do wake them up? without violence or marginalization? without capitolizing upon them in clever ways much like they try to do to other people?

seems easier inventing a electric eye for physically blind people when compared to trying to help correcting so many with very diminished focus of mindful thought.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 17, 2016, 02:49:53 AM
@Bill

So you believe in an all knowing omniscient being that created the whole universe, the whole damn universe mind you, in a matter of days... and yet somehow you cannot believe in a motor/generator made of iron and copper wire? . May God bless you Bill because your sense of belief is fucked up beyond all recognition.


AC

Well, that is your ignorant opinion and, you are entitled to it.  But, that once again misses the point.  It was not a good analogy and if you can not see that, I guess I can't help you.  Look up Apples and Oranges and maybe that will ring a bell.

Bill

PS  Yes, the device is made up of iron and copper wire but so what?  It still does not work as advertised as proven by TK, and others on here.  So, the materials of construction are real, the claimed results are not.  See the difference?    Also look up "Fraud" in the dictionary...you will see HopelessGirl's photo there I think.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: allcanadian on January 17, 2016, 05:56:20 PM
@Pirate
Quote
Well, that is your ignorant opinion and, you are entitled to it.  But, that once again misses the point.  It was not a good analogy and if you can not see that, I guess I can't help you.  Look up Apples and Oranges and maybe that will ring a bell.
PS  Yes, the device is made up of iron and copper wire but so what?  It still does not work as advertised as proven by TK, and others on here.  So, the materials of construction are real, the claimed results are not.  See the difference?    Also look up "Fraud" in the dictionary...you will see HopelessGirl's photo there I think.


I think you have missed the point as well Bill, your religion does not work as advertised nor could any claims be considered tangible. So yes the term fraud does come to mind in that so many would promote something which they cannot prove as real. Unless of course you can show me your God, I would like to meet him and I have a few questions.


What I cannot agree with is that so many would judge others and then when the judgement comes full circle they say... well my belief is different and you cannot talk about my beliefs in the same context as I talk about other's. The fact remains that you believe a bearded man in a white dress created the universe in six days. Who are you to judge the credibility of anyone considering your beliefs and the facts Bill?. Regardless of what you may think this is a two way street and religion is not an exception to the rule. It must to be judged in the same context as any other belief... no better no worse.


You cannot speak of ignorance and analogies, claims and facts rigidly applied to everyone else and think they will never be applied to you. You have no more credibility than anyone else who cannot prove their beliefs as a fact... no better no worse. As a professional I generally see the same response concerning religion and free energy. First the person resorts to a long line of illogical fallicies to try and substantiate their claim. Then when their logic starts falling apart there is an appeal to emotion and authority then the name calling starts generally followed by threats of violence. So let's not go there Bill because your going to lose.


Concerning Free Energy, we have proof no place in the known universe is devoid of Energy...it is everywhere in everything. It is a well proven fact and we are getting better at extracting energy from ambient conditions such as the various forms of solar energy every day. Nanotechnology is improving the extraction of energy from solar, ambient heat, evaporation, EM scavenging etc.. . The trend is pointing to the singular fact that in the future we will not need archaic "fuels" any longer and we will extract an abundance of energy from our environment as Nikola Tesla predicted 100 years ago. All the energy we could ever want has been proven to be there for the taking and not you or anyone else will dictate how we do it. There are an infinite number of ways we do not know of and have yet to fully understand. So before people start going on a god damn witch hunt judging others they may want to think twice about how much they actually understand.


AC













Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on January 17, 2016, 06:14:31 PM
As a devout atheist, I leave discussions about religion to the pros.
Regarding 'free energy', consider that the real issue is NOT energy, but the FLOW of energy producing WORK, a phenomenon that is. non-conservative.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 17, 2016, 09:08:59 PM
@Pirate

I think you have missed the point as well Bill, your religion does not work as advertised nor could any claims be considered tangible. So yes the term fraud does come to mind in that so many would promote something which they cannot prove as real. Unless of course you can show me your God, I would like to meet him and I have a few questions.


What I cannot agree with is that so many would judge others and then when the judgement comes full circle they say... well my belief is different and you cannot talk about my beliefs in the same context as I talk about other's. The fact remains that you believe a bearded man in a white dress created the universe in six days. Who are you to judge the credibility of anyone considering your beliefs and the facts Bill?. Regardless of what you may think this is a two way street and religion is not an exception to the rule. It must to be judged in the same context as any other belief... no better no worse.


You cannot speak of ignorance and analogies, claims and facts rigidly applied to everyone else and think they will never be applied to you. You have no more credibility than anyone else who cannot prove their beliefs as a fact... no better no worse. As a professional I generally see the same response concerning religion and free energy. First the person resorts to a long line of illogical fallicies to try and substantiate their claim. Then when their logic starts falling apart there is an appeal to emotion and authority then the name calling starts generally followed by threats of violence. So let's not go there Bill because your going to lose.


Concerning Free Energy, we have proof no place in the known universe is devoid of Energy...it is everywhere in everything. It is a well proven fact and we are getting better at extracting energy from ambient conditions such as the various forms of solar energy every day. Nanotechnology is improving the extraction of energy from solar, ambient heat, evaporation, EM scavenging etc.. . The trend is pointing to the singular fact that in the future we will not need archaic "fuels" any longer and we will extract an abundance of energy from our environment as Nikola Tesla predicted 100 years ago. All the energy we could ever want has been proven to be there for the taking and not you or anyone else will dictate how we do it. There are an infinite number of ways we do not know of and have yet to fully understand. So before people start going on a god damn witch hunt judging others they may want to think twice about how much they actually understand.


AC

That sure was a lot of words demonstrating that you once again missed the point.  I do not argue religion...it is personal...everyone can believe what they want.  But, for you to compare HoplessGirl's scam to the existence of God, which has never been disproved, is, as I have said, a terrible and incorrect analogy.

I'll break it down for you once again.  The existence of God has never been disproved, the claims of the device sold by the scammers HopelessGirl et al, has been disproved.  See? 

I do find it funny that you consider yourself more rational than brilliant physicists like Stephen Hawking, Einstein and Michio Kaku when it comes to the existence of God...all of which have said that the more they learn of our universe, the more likely the existence of God.

But, please feel free to believe what you want.  Just don't continue your efforts to convert others to your beliefs as they are fruitless yes?

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: allcanadian on January 17, 2016, 09:29:55 PM
@memoryman

Quote
Regarding 'free energy', consider that the real issue is NOT energy, but the FLOW of energy producing WORK, a phenomenon that is. non-conservative.


Here is a thought... what is conservative and non-conservative?. Now let's say I have a closed black box and energy is supposedly conserved within it. Then a high energy particle which has traveled 100 light years from a distance sun randomly collides with the atoms in my box releasing energy. Thus we see the conservation of Energy does not exclude free energy and in fact supports it. As such conservative is just a fancy way of saying we will ignore some facts we don't like to support our beliefs.


Think about it... a universe seething with energy which cannot be created or destroyed only transformed. A star one billion light years away could radiate energy which is just hitting the Earth now...because energy is conserved. The conservation of energy proves the universe must be full of energy everywhere in everything. Which is a problem for Bill because he believes the universe was created about 6000 years ago by a bearded man in a white dress who loves him. However in our world... does it matter if something is conservative/non-conservative if we know as a fact that we are swimming in a sea of energy just waiting for us to understand how to extract it?.


The conservation of Energy, conservative/non-conservative does not discount free energy... it proves it.


AC
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 17, 2016, 10:55:12 PM
@memoryman


Here is a thought... what is conservative and non-conservative?. Now let's say I have a closed black box and energy is supposedly conserved within it. Then a high energy particle which has traveled 100 light years from a distance sun randomly collides with the atoms in my box releasing energy. Thus we see the conservation of Energy does not exclude free energy and in fact supports it. As such conservative is just a fancy way of saying we will ignore some facts we don't like to support our beliefs.


Think about it... a universe seething with energy which cannot be created or destroyed only transformed. A star one billion light years away could radiate energy which is just hitting the Earth now...because energy is conserved. The conservation of energy proves the universe must be full of energy everywhere in everything. Which is a problem for Bill because he believes the universe was created about 6000 years ago by a bearded man in a white dress who loves him. However in our world... does it matter if something is conservative/non-conservative if we know as a fact that we are swimming in a sea of energy just waiting for us to understand how to extract it?.


The conservation of Energy, conservative/non-conservative does not discount free energy... it proves it.


AC

There you go again, assuming that you know what it is that I believe even though I have never stated it.  Oh, I also left out that Newton also believed in God as well.

Do you not see that making fun of me for believing in God, and trying to get others to agree with you is just as bad as someone trying to convert you to their beliefs?


For the record, the earth is billions of years old.  (I was a geology major in college)  I am a man of science and engineering.  As all of those other great fellows I mentioned determined, the universe is so beautiful and engineered in such a wonderful way, it can not be an accident.

"God does not play dice".  Albert Einstein.

Try to be more accurate in the future please.

Thank you.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: MileHigh on January 17, 2016, 11:20:05 PM
There is no evidence that any kind of god exists, it's all just based on faith.  There is a strong atheist movement on YouTube and it's an important counterbalance to the complete insanity that we see in the world today in the name of god and religion.  You should look up the Amazing Atheist.  Separation of church and state is a very important principle that I think we should adhere to.  All state and provincial legislatures and federal legislatures and institutions should remove all references to "god" and the same thing applies to the currency.  There should be no crosses in any state or provincial legislature.  You can still celebrate Christmas and all that stuff, just separate the notion of "god" and the state.  No stoning, or cutting off of hands either.  It's entirely possible that we are just a result of a big bang and random chance resulted in us coming into being over a long long evolutionary process.  In the 1950s they put some gasses in a flask and sparked it with electric discharges and found that more complex molecules were produced, and I think some of them were amino acids.  It's a very famous experiment, you can look it up.

Anyway, notwithstanding the big man upstairs if he exists, there is no such thing as a magic reluctance generator.  That's what this thread is all about.

Our little hopeless girl deleted her account on that crowdfunding page, once the fake project was stopped.  Just the fact that she presumably immediately deleted her account and high-tailed it and ran away when the prospect of getting money dried up says a lot about her and reinforces the near certainty that she is just a criminal con artist looking for a new free revenue stream.  Shame on her, and shame on everyone associated with her.  No doubt she and her cronies are still salivating at the prospect of a big $120K score and they will be trying to concoct another scheme so that a little old lady from Canada parts with her money.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: allcanadian on January 17, 2016, 11:46:24 PM
@Bill
Quote
For the record, the earth is billions of years old.  (I was a geology major in college)  I am a man of science and engineering.  As all of those other great fellows I mentioned determined, the universe is so beautiful and engineered in such a wonderful way, it can not be an accident.[/size]"God does not play dice".  Albert Einstein.Try to be more accurate in the future please.Thank you.


You know it's odd that so many intelligent people with such great understanding could have such differences in opinions and beliefs. One would think that if we really did understand all the facts there would be more agreement. In any case I have no less respect for you as a person despite our differences of opinions and I mean that sincerely. As you know I like to mix it up a bit and get people going to see what they really think however I mean no offense. Your one cool dude Bill and didn't come unglued as so many do... I can respect that.


At the least all I expect is a good debate as to why we believe what we do just to keep us honest, lol.


AC



Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: memoryman on January 18, 2016, 01:23:34 AM
@allcanadian.
Whether free energy exists or not, is imho a philosophical question (like how many angels can dance on the head of a pin).
Ultimately, what we want is WORK done. WORK is the result of energy FLOW, so we don't have to be concerned with getting additional energy, just directing the FLOW of existing energy.
For a more comprehensive explanation, see http://revolution-green.com/some-energy-basics/
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Pirate88179 on January 18, 2016, 05:17:52 AM
@Bill

You know it's odd that so many intelligent people with such great understanding could have such differences in opinions and beliefs. One would think that if we really did understand all the facts there would be more agreement. In any case I have no less respect for you as a person despite our differences of opinions and I mean that sincerely. As you know I like to mix it up a bit and get people going to see what they really think however I mean no offense. Your one cool dude Bill and didn't come unglued as so many do... I can respect that.


At the least all I expect is a good debate as to why we believe what we do just to keep us honest, lol.


AC

Well, I agree with you.  Good post.

Bill
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: stivep on January 19, 2016, 10:14:40 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJWxJsaxNvE
Wesley
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: pronbo on August 16, 2016, 11:50:15 AM
Some history behind what's now called "QEG"...

 https://vimeo.com/168484487 (https://vimeo.com/168484487)   Video starts at 45:40, but specific to this subject starting at 55:45 "Ecklinator" comments, through end of video at 59:48

Then... continued a bit from there:

https://vimeo.com/169190993 (https://vimeo.com/169190993)  from about 1:04:20 through 1:08-ish

"...the frequency was a little over 900(Hz)..." fine for light bulbs, but would need a post-converter to go from 900Hz very high AC voltage, down to 50/60Hz usable power.  At 900Hz, the HV-to-LowV transformer could be MUCH smaller than a 50/60Hz transformer... then rectify it, and run it through a normal off-grid Solar Inverter to get your desired 120/240VAC Mains substitute.

After a few modifications, the above became this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU)


Ron Brandt was the public spokesperson for WITTS before Timothy Thrapp, and Ron Brandt's designs are now part of WITTS.
http://www.witts.ws/300-eternitys-joy-ron-brandts-remarkable-perm-mag-motor/ (http://www.witts.ws/300-eternitys-joy-ron-brandts-remarkable-perm-mag-motor/)

Ron had a interesting history:
http://www.bestenergy.ws/RonBrandtBioHistoryMotor.html (http://www.bestenergy.ws/RonBrandtBioHistoryMotor.html)

Public information as presented on WITTS Wednesday night webcast several months ago:

The founders of FTWO took some classes from WITTS on building this device, but did not complete the entire course... they apparently decided they had enough info to go off and finish it by themselves.  Neither did they receive permission to open source what information they learned from WITTS... so what we have seen is (if you believe in this term) "deserved karma".
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: ramset on August 16, 2016, 12:14:02 PM
Sir
Thank you for the Info , Do you have a contact for Buster?

@pronbo

Quote



Some history behind what's now called "QEG"...

 https://vimeo.com/168484487   Video starts at 45:40, but specific to this subject starting at 55:45 "Ecklinator" comments, through end of video at 59:48

Then... continued a bit from there:

https://vimeo.com/169190993  from about 1:04:20 through 1:08-ish

"...the frequency was a little over 900(Hz)..." fine for light bulbs, but would need a post-converter to go from 900Hz very high AC voltage, down to 50/60Hz usable power.  At 900Hz, the HV-to-LowV transformer could be MUCH smaller than a 50/60Hz transformer... then rectify it, and run it through a normal off-grid Solar Inverter to get your desired 120/240VAC Mains substitute.

After a few modifications, the above became this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU


Ron Brandt was the public spokesperson for WITTS before Timothy Thrapp, and Ron Brandt's designs are now part of WITTS.
http://www.witts.ws/300-eternitys-joy-ron-brandts-remarkable-perm-mag-motor/

Ron had a interesting history:
http://www.bestenergy.ws/RonBrandtBioHistoryMotor.html

Public information as presented on WITTS Wednesday night webcast several months ago:

The founders of FTWO took some classes from WITTS on building this device, but did not complete the entire course... they apparently decided they had enough info to go off and finish it by themselves.  Neither did they receive permission to open source what information they learned from WITTS... so what we have seen is (if you believe in this term) "deserved karma".


END
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respectfully
ChetKremens@Gmail.com
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 16, 2016, 09:48:21 PM
You really have to wonder about the moral authority and the "deserved karma" of a group that claims, for many years now, to have technology that would truly save mankind from many many of the ills that trouble us... but who withhold that technology and keep it secret, only "selling" it for lots of money to people who nevertheless can't actually get it working.

Of course, if WITTS and them actually do NOT have what they claim to have... then it all makes sense.

Thousands of innocent children starve to death or die of dysentery and other easily-preventable diseases every month. Millions of families are currently displaced from their homes due to the squabbling of major powers over regional oil and uranium resources. WITTS could end all of that instantly.... if only they actually had what they claim to have.

But of course we know that they don't have what they claim. Only the relatively unsophisticated marks continue to fall for their nonsensical claims. But after all, there is a sucker born every minute, so I don't expect to see WITTS or their spin-offs like FTW fade away any time soon.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Eniac5state on August 10, 2017, 03:37:44 PM
Why is nobody saying that the working plans are now free to download?
A year later. Look for QEG manual. And Peswiki did a nice interview with them.
And a company in Taiwan duplicated the device also.
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: Eniac5state on August 10, 2017, 03:41:45 PM
When you look these messages back, then you know who the SHILLS
are here !
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: tinman on August 11, 2017, 12:44:32 PM
Why is nobody saying that the working plans are now free to download?
A year later. Look for QEG manual. And Peswiki did a nice interview with them.
And a company in Taiwan duplicated the device also.

Because there are no !working! plan's.
There is how ever a large fraud that you can donate to. ::)


Brad
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: antijon on August 13, 2017, 08:59:16 PM
Qeg demo I'm sure everyone's seen https://youtu.be/4OE5LFMwH9E
Breaks my heart hearing everyone clapping like they're accomplishing something.

Hopegirl's link to the plans https://hopegirl2012.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/qeg-user-manual-3-25-14.pdf

On pg 35 she's got some FAQs listed
Quote
Where is the energy this device is using coming from ?
The quantum field

I've included a pic of the quantum field for you noobs
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: AlienGrey on August 14, 2017, 11:37:05 PM
Sir
Thank you for the Info , Do you have a contact for Buster?

@pronbo

Quote



Some history behind what's now called "QEG"...

 https://vimeo.com/168484487   Video starts at 45:40, but specific to this subject starting at 55:45 "Ecklinator" comments, through end of video at 59:48

Then... continued a bit from there:

https://vimeo.com/169190993  from about 1:04:20 through 1:08-ish

"...the frequency was a little over 900(Hz)..." fine for light bulbs, but would need a post-converter to go from 900Hz very high AC voltage, down to 50/60Hz usable power.  At 900Hz, the HV-to-LowV transformer could be MUCH smaller than a 50/60Hz transformer... then rectify it, and run it through a normal off-grid Solar Inverter to get your desired 120/240VAC Mains substitute.

After a few modifications, the above became this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-a8QAeCoNU


Ron Brandt was the public spokesperson for WITTS before Timothy Thrapp, and Ron Brandt's designs are now part of WITTS.
http://www.witts.ws/300-eternitys-joy-ron-brandts-remarkable-perm-mag-motor/

Ron had a interesting history:
http://www.bestenergy.ws/RonBrandtBioHistoryMotor.html

Public information as presented on WITTS Wednesday night webcast several months ago:

The founders of FTWO took some classes from WITTS on building this device, but did not complete the entire course... they apparently decided they had enough info to go off and finish it by themselves.  Neither did they receive permission to open source what information they learned from WITTS... so what we have seen is (if you believe in this term) "deserved karma".


END
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respectfully
ChetKremens@Gmail.com

If you got this far !
Be sure to Talk to TinselKoala he has very fond memories of this device I'm sure he would luv to share with you on this device ;)

Allen
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 15, 2017, 03:02:32 PM
Well... if we are repeating old posts... here's mine:

You really have to wonder about the moral authority and the "deserved karma" of a group that claims, for many years now, to have technology that would truly save mankind from many many of the ills that trouble us... but who withhold that technology and keep it secret, only "selling" it for lots of money to people who nevertheless can't actually get it working.

Of course, if WITTS and them actually do NOT have what they claim to have... then it all makes sense.

Thousands of innocent children starve to death or die of dysentery and other easily-preventable diseases every month. Millions of families are currently displaced from their homes due to the squabbling of major powers over regional oil and uranium resources. WITTS could end all of that instantly.... if only they actually had what they claim to have.

But of course we know that they don't have what they claim. Only the relatively unsophisticated marks continue to fall for their nonsensical claims. But after all, there is a sucker born every minute, so I don't expect to see WITTS or their spin-offs like FTW fade away any time soon.

All of this is even more true today, a year later. The utter hypocrisy of WITTS and the people that support them is amazing. How can they live with themselves?
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 15, 2017, 03:08:40 PM
When you look these messages back, then you know who the SHILLS
are here !

Oh, please, go ahead and download the plans and build a QEG for yourself! I encourage you to do so. Be sure to report all your experiences here. If you can't get it to run itself and your house, or start with a crank mechanism like the FAQs tell you, then you can register for private instruction from the Fix The World people in Morocco. Maybe you can even get those 300 engineers from Taiwan to help you get it running. I think you can still buy core assemblies that are pretty much complete. The UK builds were just hours away from self running in 2014, so I'm sure they must be running their homes for free by now.

So get to work! Nobody is stopping you. Time's a-wasting!

Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: AlienGrey on August 15, 2017, 07:43:14 PM
Oh, please, go ahead and download the plans and build a QEG for yourself! I encourage you to do so. Be sure to report all your experiences here. If you can't get it to run itself and your house, or start with a crank mechanism like the FAQs tell you, then you can register for private instruction from the Fix The World people in Morocco. Maybe you can even get those 300 engineers from Taiwan to help you get it running. I think you can still buy core assemblies that are pretty much complete. The UK builds were just hours away from self-running in 2014, so I'm sure they must be running their homes for free by now.

So get to work! Nobody is stopping you. Time's a-wasting!
Ha! Ha! nice joke, by the way, I have a test for you to see how good your memory is, mine isn't so good on names  can you name all the screen names the ' I have a quantum energy oscillator generator on my desk' I'm testing and I live in the UK and I post hieroglyphics diagrams all over this site,' 'well he did' but got chucked off several times! ok, how many names did he reinvent him self with ? your starter for 10 points ;) ;) oh and whats his name now ;) ;) oh and last time he was a moderator! PGHU ;)

PS give my regards to Alison Dubois she lives in your state ;) ;) if your shot too ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: TinselKoala on August 15, 2017, 08:59:49 PM
I'm not joking! I'm perfectly serious. I think anybody who still believes that the FTW QEG is not a cynical hoax designed to keep the Robitaille family's permanent Moroccan vacation going, after all that has transpired, should most definitely build one for themselves! And report all the details of this open source project right here. Including reporting the actual amount of money and time spent on this "free energy" project.

As for the rest of your post, I really don't know what, or whom, you are talking about.

Alison Dubois? Who?

Oh, are you talking about the "medium"? As far as I know she does not live in my state, nor I in hers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_DuBois
Title: Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
Post by: AlienGrey on August 15, 2017, 10:00:23 PM
I'm not joking! I'm perfectly serious. I think anybody who still believes that the FTW QEG is not a cynical hoax designed to keep the Robitaille family's permanent Moroccan vacation going, after all that has transpired, should most definitely build one for themselves! And report all the details of this open source project right here. Including reporting the actual amount of money and time spent on this "free energy" project.

As for the rest of your post, I really don't know what, or whom, you are talking about.

Alison Dubois? Who?

Oh, are you talking about the "medium"? As far as I know she does not live in my state, nor I in hers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allison_DuBois
No ! i thought she lived in Arizona Texas? the new Israel lone star state no! shows how good she is then ;) anyway forget her ! I think the nutty professor is back again (no not me) ha ha! the guy who was selling QEG know how, who wanted everyone's E-Mail address can you remember his screen name other than >>>> Sequental.9, <<<< was 1