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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1659803 times)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #930 on: May 14, 2014, 11:22:54 PM »
I'm glad to announce QEG SPICE Model 2.1!

It turned out that a third table was unnecessary after all.  I found that the arbitrary inductor model can be used in linear mode, the explanation of how to do the is just missing from the manual.  The solution is easier than I expected. 

So, without further adieu, here's the model:

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #931 on: May 15, 2014, 01:10:40 AM »
COP and efficiency coefficients generally refer to the useful output divided by the expended input.  Output that is in the form of unused heat is usually considered loss.  For the same sunlight, a solar thermal collector where heat is the useful output is around 75% efficient delivering that heat to the heat transfer fluid, while PV where electricity is the useful output is constrained to about 20% for single layer modules.  For a machine like the QEG the idea is to be a generator.  Anything less than self-running makes it a complicated and noisy heater.

By expended input you mean input provided by us don't you ? Other wise how would a heat pump go over C.O.P. 1 ? How much energy do we provide to a solar panel ?

If expended input meant all input then C.O.P. 1.0 could never be exceeded period. Would that be true ?

My understanding of C.O.P. which I have stated before is that the C.O.P. = useful output divided by the input provided by us.

If C.O.P. was defined as useful output divided by the entire expended input from all sources then C.O.P. 1.0 could never be exceeded, as before energy can exit as output it must first either enter as input or be stored in the device (which is input) before it can be output.

ergo solar panels output more than is input by us so they are over C.O.P. 1.0 and over unity. Very simple logic and it makes sense. At least to me.

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Using the logic that says solar panels are not O.U. is saying that once a self runner powers itself and there is no input from us then it has no C.O.P. because there is no expended input.

Imagine a mythical self runner that was given a small starting charge 12 months ago and now stores it's own starting energy so that all that is needed is to flick a switch and it starts to output 5 kW. What is it's C.O.P. today after starting ? infinite ?  Would it be O.U. or would it be just like a solar panel in that none of it's output is provided by us ?

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All that matters to us is the amount we input compared to the useful work performed.

However that is defined makes little to no difference the result is the same.

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Solar panels are about 20 % efficient at utilizing the energy provided by the Sun. Not about 20% efficient at utilizing the energy provided by us. The actual input to the solar panel is the (about 20% of the energy that hits the panel) not the 100 % of energy that it is exposed to. The other 80% or so never entered the solar system as active energy so it is not really input, only the about 20% energy input is input.

How can energy that never entered a system be considered input or losses ?

The actual losses in a solar system are part of the 20% or so input, which is not our input anyway.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #932 on: May 15, 2014, 02:06:13 AM »
By expended input you mean input provided by us don't you ? Other wise how would a heat pump go over C.O.P. 1 ? How much energy do we provide to a solar panel ?
COP and efficiency are related but very distinct concepts. 

COP is a term almost totally exclusive to heat pumps.  COP refers to the ratio of heat energy moved from one temperature to another versus the amount of useful work that we have to add in order to effect that move.  If we move some quantity of heat:  Q from a reservoir at one temperature to another, then we still theoretically have the same quantity of heat Q.  We haven't used that heat to do anything.  In the ideal case we wouldn't have to add any energy, COP would be a division by zero, and be so large as to be undefined.  A COP of only 1 is very poor performance:  we have to add as much energy as heat we move.

Efficiency is a measure of the amount of useful output power obtained from the input power source.  Efficiency has built into it the presumption that the input is all theoretically useful.  In the case of a solar module efficiency tells us a lot about how much material we need, how much area we need to cover, and how hot the materials will get when exposed to a given irradiance.
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If expended input meant all input then C.O.P. 1.0 could never be exceeded period. Would that be true ?
It would, but for COP it does not.  See above.
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My understanding of C.O.P. which I have stated before is that the C.O.P. = useful output divided by the input provided by us.
That's right.  But except for heat pumps COP is generally a pointless metric.  In your example of a solar module the COP for any module is indefinite.
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If C.O.P. was defined as useful output divided by the entire expended input from all sources then C.O.P. 1.0 could never be exceeded, as before energy can exit as output it must first either enter as input or be stored in the device (which is input) before it can be output.
That's right.  But it is not defined that way.  See above.
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ergo solar panels output more than is input by us so they are over C.O.P. 1.0 and over unity. Very simple logic and it makes sense. At least to me.
COP is not relevant to over unity the way that most people discuss it.  If we used COP > 1 to mean over unity, then any mined fuel that produces more thermal energy than required to extract and refine it would also be over unity.  Since most people talking about over unity are interested in something to replace fossil and nuclear fuels that already have a COP > 1, COP > 1 doesn't tell us much about any prospective replacement.

Efficiency also ultimately has a problem when talking about over unity.  The way that most people discuss over unity is in terms of a device that produces useful output great enough to run itself and provide surplus.  Once such a machine is started it would generate useful output without any useful input.  The efficiency of such a device would be undefined.  Efficiency is a useful metric up to the point that an over unity device is configured as a self-running machine.  The meaningful values for efficiency are:  0 - 100%, and undefined.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #932 on: May 15, 2014, 02:06:13 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #933 on: May 15, 2014, 06:26:31 AM »
Here is another take on a heat pump:

You have a big cart that holds a bunch of big metal trays.  Each tray contains burning coal.

You are in a large room.  You have a small motorcycle battery and the big cart has a small drive motor.  You connect the battery and the big cart full of burning coal slowly moves from one side of the room to the other side of the room.

There is your heat pump but you have changed your relative positions on the "temperature elevator" when you look at the energy dynamics.  It's still a heat pump.  Are you supposed to measure the battery energy used to move the cart and compare that to the heat energy in the fire and brimstone and burning coals?  What's the COP?

We know our buddy Aaron pitches a heat pump as an OU device.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #934 on: May 15, 2014, 07:22:17 AM »
Tom Valone also stated in an interview on American Anti-Gravity that a heat pump is an OU device.  His position is at odds with elementary physics.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #935 on: May 15, 2014, 12:07:22 PM »
 To all and  S. Wesley:
Here I have posted a new loopback generator effect that may work to explain the of  Dr.Umberto Stranieri of Platinum Invests in Spain, who is now in production of  the “loopback” generator, links are at the bottom of this post.. and pics of that production..
I am posting this on the QEG forum because it’s here where it’s most debated…
Putin has now began to increase the price of natural gas to Ukraine and these guys in Kiev need help..
Inventors from Kiev Ukraine, and Gorlovki in late 2013 registered a patent for the invention of the motor-generator, which on load does not slow down your work as usual motors, but rather accelerated.
http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/en_docs/experiments_en.pdf
http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/en_docs/principle_en.pdf
http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/en_docs/invention_formula_en.pdf
patent in english: http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/docs/wipo_pct_info.pdf
patent in russian: http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/docs/patent_description_ua.pdf
 
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     Due to the non-standard method of generating , and the original design of the motor - generator , electric motor and generator modes are combined in one process, and are inextricably linked. As a result , while connecting the load , the interaction of the magnetic fields of the stator and rotor forms a torque in the direction which coincides with the moment generated by the external drive.
 
     In other words, when the power consumed by a load generator , the rotor of the motor generator begins to accelerate , and thus lowers the power consumption of an external drive .
 
 Important! Two days ago I personally met with Sergey - one of the authors of the patent number 102808 "Method and the motor-generator to generate electricity ." At the moment, the inventors have a demo model , and actively looking for designers who are ready to calculate the sample engine. Need specialists who can conduct a series of development activities on the instructions of inventors to create a working prototype of the device . After creating a prototype it can repeat anyone.
http://generator-motor.info/contacts/
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With suggestions may be directed to the contact information on the site or to me at «anton.mnko @ pure-energy.info» or on Skype «sermountain«.
 
 To your attention the video experiments , which are clearly visible demonstration model and the testimony of all devices - voltage, current , engine speed before and after the connection of the load :
Motor-generator with an annular winding.
 Patent on the motor-generator, which when connected to the generator load is not slowing down, and vice versa - without requiring accelerated increase the power.

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 Overview of the patent and a method for producing electricity using the motor-generator with an annular winding.
http://www.pure-energy.info/?p=234
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iCCYqIvHzk
http://generator-motor.info/data/uploads/docs/2_video_comments_new.pdf
 
 
  Here is the loopback generator made by
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2M89QnJaPY8
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #936 on: May 15, 2014, 04:08:38 PM »
COP and efficiency are related but very distinct concepts. 

COP is a term almost totally exclusive to heat pumps.  COP refers to the ratio of heat energy moved from one temperature to another versus the amount of useful work that we have to add in order to effect that move.  If we move some quantity of heat:  Q from a reservoir at one temperature to another, then we still theoretically have the same quantity of heat Q.  We haven't used that heat to do anything.  In the ideal case we wouldn't have to add any energy, COP would be a division by zero, and be so large as to be undefined.  A COP of only 1 is very poor performance:  we have to add as much energy as heat we move.

Efficiency is a measure of the amount of useful output power obtained from the input power source.  Efficiency has built into it the presumption that the input is all theoretically useful.  In the case of a solar module efficiency tells us a lot about how much material we need, how much area we need to cover, and how hot the materials will get when exposed to a given irradiance.It would, but for COP it does not.  See above.That's right.  But except for heat pumps COP is generally a pointless metric.  In your example of a solar module the COP for any module is indefinite.That's right.  But it is not defined that way.  See above.COP is not relevant to over unity the way that most people discuss it.  If we used COP > 1 to mean over unity, then any mined fuel that produces more thermal energy than required to extract and refine it would also be over unity.  Since most people talking about over unity are interested in something to replace fossil and nuclear fuels that already have a COP > 1, COP > 1 doesn't tell us much about any prospective replacement.

Efficiency also ultimately has a problem when talking about over unity.  The way that most people discuss over unity is in terms of a device that produces useful output great enough to run itself and provide surplus.  Once such a machine is started it would generate useful output without any useful input.  The efficiency of such a device would be undefined.  Efficiency is a useful metric up to the point that an over unity device is configured as a self-running machine.  The meaningful values for efficiency are:  0 - 100%, and undefined.
Hi! I've just discover your discussion and here what I have just posted as comment to a Robert Murray video yesterday and today in YouTube:

Is Free Energy Possible : http://youtu.be/q2VDdkolU1U

To Robert Murray-Smith:

No, it is of course related but not "necessary" the same.

Q anyway is the heat we provide, if you use this ratio "Q/W", and it is NOT the same than the energy "taken in the reservoir"; why? Because the normally heat loses of the compressor are for most of the part used and added to, what we should label "Q-out". So "Q-out" always > "Q-in".

But, COP is here for FINANCIAL reason fondamentally, this is what everybody non-professional in the domain miss. E.g., win-turbines, solar panels, hydrau-electric power plants are all of INFINITE COP.

Regarding what is "Free Energy", I would say that partial "free energy systems" are all those of COP ] 1.00 ; infinite [, and true ones when COP = infinite. But is indeed only based on the viewpoint of THE ENERGY COST, while we use in engineering other kind of "COPs" which take care of the costs of the installation, of the financial of the maintenance, reduced to the year and kWh produced.

This last is for me THE REAL ONE, the real interesting and final COP; why again? Because it permits us to really compare different systems respect to the financial point of view: few systems could be cheap to construct, use, finance and having poor overunity COP but still good for poor people, and for those who has financial means, skills for, etc., more costly systems at the beginning may be much more interesting in the long run and in term of $/kWh/year (you know solar panels and wins turbines doesn't last for ever and need maintenance in industrial power plants... but heat pumps too, even if not infinite COP.).

Of course, COPs has few to have with "PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY" which are, theoretically, ALWAYS underunity at the scale of the universe but may be considered overunity if we restrain our point of view to a specific part of the universe (as Robert very well illustrates in his vid).

Wishing it could help.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #937 on: May 15, 2014, 05:20:58 PM »
Mr. Murray-Smith restated much of what was in my post.  He states as I have that the COP for things such as petrol fuel, solar energy, wind, etc is far greater than 1.  When one looks at things that way it brings about a couple of implications.  The one that I pointed out is that using COP > 1 as a criteria for a new and better energy source is very dubious since the energy sources that we would like to improve upon already have such a COP. 

In the search for an energy source that would be considered over unity in the way that most people use the term, efficiency should be the guide. When and if the apparent efficiency takes that elusive jump from just under 100% to an indefinite value, then we've hit the OU jackpot.  If someone were to later determine that we actually have an input energy source to the machine, such as hypothetically ZPE, and one could find a way to measure the input then the apparent efficiency value would fall below 100%.






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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #938 on: May 15, 2014, 05:42:15 PM »
Robert is mistaking about fossils fuel COP > 1 because we pay for.

At the extreme viewpoint we would be allow to say that the person who would have petrol oil spontaneously from ground in his garden he/she would have free energy while using a fuel turbine able to convert this oil in electric or heat power for his/her house, through a generator; but of course it would be not necessarily clean energy.

In the same vane we shall say that a wood heater for the one live in a forest, not considering the cost of one's time, is a "free energy device".

COP are only related to a ratio between USEFULL ENERGY under COSTLY ENERGY; any other idea comes from non-professional of the domain who have never practiced nor studied the domain and have spread misconceptions about and much confusion. Even Ph. D. often make the same mistake but an engineer in an energetic engineering office should not.

Otherwise, I am fully agree with the PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY viewpoint.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #938 on: May 15, 2014, 05:42:15 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #939 on: May 15, 2014, 06:06:25 PM »
Tom Valone also stated in an interview on American Anti-Gravity that a heat pump is an OU device.  His position is at odds with elementary physics.
It is a matter of definition.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #940 on: May 15, 2014, 06:36:49 PM »
If you look closely the WITTS Demo by T. Thrapp shows, that the motor does NOT slow down
when the screws in the bulbs... at minute 7:30
This is the best evidence for a fake...the motor speed
should change !
So the bulbs are just powered by the grid and not the unit...

The cameraman also asked this and then see, what Thrapp says and has some
kind of excuses...
Well I did not hear it slow down... and I watched it several times...
At this huge load the motor
should already slow down, when he only screws in 1 light bulb....

Also the QED circuit digramm does not include the dc rectifier bridge, what is
listed in the parts list, so it is probably a wrong circuit diagramm and can´t work this way...
So how would they drive the DC motor with AC then ??

Don´t fall for this scam until they will show their own unit really selfpowered...

Regards, Stefan.


No my friend  Stefan It is NOT the case at this time. You making wrong assumption in regards to power equation. Where  components are brought to your particular envisioned parameters.
You might fight over QED.                                     I'm talking about Russian  guy and  Witts


fluctuation will not happened   
if  current produced by the generator is t strong enough  for actual and much stronger load  than the one that is connected to the generator.


The same story is if you switch on in your house, all of the light bulbs instead of one, or regular motor  that is lower in power , than your grid  on demand current.




In  2  motor devices  or motor with balance wheel
Although  the mechanism  of  electric current production  is not much clear and it does not make much sense to  one skilled in science the important is to mention
Perpetual Motion


Every mechanism goes from
-enough  of power  delivery for  motion
to
- enough of power delivery for motion with increased load
to
 power delivery= maximum load to be able to  withhold.
than we will see "perpetual motion""(PM)" with the minimum  losses compensated by external energy.
If that energy of 2 motor configuration under the load of 2000W is compensated by any of unknown mechanisms  Perpetual Motion  PM will be sustained.
At that Point  "(PM)" for us will look like PM till the source of energy compensation is found and described.
In one of concepts there is video showing Balance wheel to increase mechanical motion acting  as  energy storage for period of time where there is consumption of energy while waiting for compensation.


Again my  example with  15 of 15 years old girls pushing small  car to speed.
The vector of force is summary of all of 15  girls.  divided by 15= 1/15 per girl.


After a while there is a need  for one girl to  compensate and still accelerate.
After a while there is a need for one finger of the girl to compensate a losses
And acceleration is inversely proportional to the force in time.




I have options:
- to stay with Colman project
- to go back to Lithuania experiment
- to build 2 motor  configuration with or without success.
- to contact the people from Russian area and try convince them or try to buy working device.
 so for now I'm staying at the course of Colman and possibly Lithuania Experiment.


 So far I'm in access to EDXRF to find accurate and precise periodic table components of any given specimen from Sodium to Uranium.
 Scintillators and HPGe portable and  fixed based on LN cooling for  Any decay monitoring and measurement and acquire data  of spectrum in qualitative and quantitative    measurement and high level professional software traceable to the bureau.
 
That  all above gives me  the tools to see any possible transmutation, or  decay if one is present :) :) in spectrum from X-ray to Gamma as well as particles ( mass)activity as well.
I do not rush.
Not I do, care to be famous or beneficiary of any kind.
And that is me  differing  a lot  from may of  others.










 
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #941 on: May 15, 2014, 06:52:41 PM »
It is a matter of definition.
Indeed, like my countryhood philosopher Voltaire used to say (approximate translation): "if you want to discuss with me then define your term so that we could understand each other!".

But definitions have purposes. If we have create this COP in our heat-pump engineering offices, it is to focus on the right target. That why we have other kind of COP caring on financial investment costs and maintenance costs that we have to take in account to know the real performance of the whole system.

Heat pump ARE indeed O.U. but in term of COP, NOT in term of PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY!  And unless you guys you start to make the difference you will stay in confusion about :/

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #942 on: May 15, 2014, 07:05:37 PM »
@ Acca and all


Platinum investments is 20min from me here in Valencia, they are a public floated company and seem to be government backed. Their main business is in industrial waste processing, be it radioactive or typical household waste. They use a system of plasma in a reactor and from the waste produce fuel/energy which is resold again.


I have been trying to have a vist to them to see for myself these generators (they are expensive), but as of yet I have not had a reply to my e-mail, I have heard that scientists are not welcome from one source, so I am not holding my breath, and for sure if I did get an invite it would be without testing equipment.


I must say that I like the hydralic motor idea of driving the generator, this in itself is an energy saver (huge torque for little input).


The batteries I would presume are just to start the hydralic pump until the generator is up to speed.


The generator itself is anyones guess at the moment, though a lot can be seen from the videos and pic's.


regards


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #943 on: May 15, 2014, 07:35:10 PM »
"I must say that I like the hydralic motor idea of driving the generator, this in itself is an energy saver (huge torque for little input)." that is incorrect; hydraulics don't save energy. Agood electric motor can get >95% efficiency, better than a hydraulic system.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #944 on: May 15, 2014, 07:40:49 PM »
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