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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1375911 times)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #945 on: May 15, 2014, 07:43:09 PM »

When you realize your wrong and you have made mistakes the adult thing to do is to admit it and apologize.  Not make a joke of your mistakes and ignore the consequences.

It appears MarkE has a bad habit of wrongly assuming due to his/her own pre-conceived ideas which are based on false-hoods.  He/She likes to condemn before investigating.  Some wish to remain willfully ignorant, so I wouldn't take it personally.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #946 on: May 15, 2014, 09:32:41 PM »
Robert is mistaking about fossils fuel COP > 1 because we pay for.
No he is correct.  The amount of energy that we supply from well to wheel is less than the petrol fuel supplies.  The COP is therefore greater than 1.
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At the extreme viewpoint we would be allow to say that the person who would have petrol oil spontaneously from ground in his garden he/she would have free energy while using a fuel turbine able to convert this oil in electric or heat power for his/her house, through a generator; but of course it would be not necessarily clean energy.
My yard, your yard, some oil field in Nigeria, it doesn't matter where the oil starts.  What matters is how much energy we get out versus how much we supply
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In the same vane we shall say that a wood heater for the one live in a forest, not considering the cost of one's time, is a "free energy device".
Slow down there, this is the whole point:  COP > 1 does not mean over unity.
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COP are only related to a ratio between USEFULL ENERGY under COSTLY ENERGY; any other idea comes from non-professional of the domain who have never practiced nor studied the domain and have spread misconceptions about and much confusion. Even Ph. D. often make the same mistake but an engineer in an energetic engineering office should not.
Here in the USA, colleges teach COP means:  Heat moved divided by the useful energy consumed to move it.
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Otherwise, I am fully agree with the PHYSICAL EFFICIENCY viewpoint.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #947 on: May 15, 2014, 11:23:39 PM »
Mr. Murray-Smith restated much of what was in my post.  He states as I have that the COP for things such as petrol fuel, solar energy, wind, etc is far greater than 1.  When one looks at things that way it brings about a couple of implications.  The one that I pointed out is that using COP > 1 as a criteria for a new and better energy source is very dubious since the energy sources that we would like to improve upon already have such a COP. 

In the search for an energy source that would be considered over unity in the way that most people use the term, efficiency should be the guide. When and if the apparent efficiency takes that elusive jump from just under 100% to an indefinite value, then we've hit the OU jackpot.  If someone were to later determine that we actually have an input energy source to the machine, such as hypothetically ZPE, and one could find a way to measure the input then the apparent efficiency value would fall below 100%.

Looking at the bolded parts of the second paragraph. (my bold)

But wouldn't it then be the case that the device was never OU ?

And also that OU is never a permanent situation, and is only a quasi state until the extra input is identified and quantified ( which I have already stated as another way of looking at it ) which means OU is not applicable to describe any actual permanent situation or state as we all know something can not come from nothing so all of the output is at some point part of the input always.

I'm ok with whatever definition but we should all know what each other means when they claim OU or discuss it. For me OU means more output energy then is input by us no matter if the extra energy source is known or not. This gives OU a legitimate meaning. Not just a transient quasi meaning.

Poynt99 has a document on it on the overunity.com site.

If C.O.P. over 1.0 is not OU and if we accept that something cannot come from nothing then what exactly is the actual real lasting meaning for OU ? Not just the definition that only lasts while we are ignorant of the actual extra input, then when we identify and quantify the source of the extra input it is no longer that OU. It's more or less saying that OU is a statement of ignorance , which I am ok with as well as long as I know what people mean by the term OU.

People can give whatever meaning they want for terms but if they want others to understand them they need to define the contentious terms.

If we didn't get more out of fossil fuels than what we put in then we would be mad to do it.

Picking up a piece of wood and burning it for heat is OU, depending on how much energy you expend doing it. Same as picking and eating a banana.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #947 on: May 15, 2014, 11:23:39 PM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #948 on: May 16, 2014, 12:03:38 AM »
Looking at the bolded parts of the second paragraph. (my bold)

But wouldn't it then be the case that the device was never OU ?
If a device is OU, it must have an efficiency of over 100%.  Any efficiency over 100% is undefined as net output is possible with no input, the exact thing that we want from OU.  Mr. Murray-Smith's point is that it doesn't matter whether or not some yet to be discovered energy source is OU or a previously unidentified energy source.  If the source has the properties of inexhaustibility, and very low, ideally zero, operating cost then that energy source has the properties that we want from something that is OU.
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And also that OU is never a permanent situation, and is only a quasi state until the extra input is identified and quantified ( which I have already stated as another way of looking at it ) which means OU is not applicable to describe any actual permanent situation or state as we all know something can not come from nothing so all of the output is at some point part of the input always.
That is a reasonable enough assumption.  It leads to more or less two paths that I can see:  Either declare that searching for OU is a futile endeavor, or simply allowing that whatever is ultimately determined, OU is a convenient term to describe the properties of the kind of desirable new energy source that we would like to find.
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I'm ok with whatever definition but we should all know what each other means when they claim OU or discuss it. For me OU means more output energy then is input by us no matter if the extra energy source is known or not. This gives OU a legitimate meaning. Not just a transient quasi meaning.
Unfortunately, it removes the distinction between what we want:  plentiful, cheap, clean new energy source(s) and things we would rather get past such as fossil fuels.  Personally, I do not object to the idea that if anything ever appears OU that it ultimately will almost certainly to be proven otherwise.
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Poynt99 has a document on it on the overunity.com site.
Do you mean some other overunity site than this one?
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If C.O.P. over 1.0 is not OU and if we accept that something cannot come from nothing then what exactly is the actual real lasting meaning for OU ? Not just the definition that only lasts while we are ignorant of the actual extra input, then when we identify and quantify the source of the extra input it is no longer that OU. It's more or less saying that OU is a statement of ignorance , which I am ok with as well as long as I know what people mean by the term OU.
I think that there are many people who would disagree with us about the transient nature of anything that might appear OU staying that way.  One could qualify the term and say "apparent OU".  I do not think that is necessary and I don't think it adds much in the way of clarity.  It could inspire flame wars between camps who think that the First Law is violable and those who don't.  If a rich relative pays all my bills, then from my point of view everything in the world is free.
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People can give whatever meaning they want for terms but if they want others to understand them they need to define the contentious terms.
COP and efficiency are both well defined.  "Free energy" has many interpretations.  In my experience:  OU is commonly understood to mean an energy source that appears to produce more than it consumes.  Some might object to the "appears" qualifier.  I don't see any value in quibbling about that until such a day as something that seems like a working OU machine appears on the scene.
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If we didn't get more out of fossil fuels than what we put in then we would be mad to do it.
Mostly, yes, but there are exceptions.  Consider something like rocket fuel.  We put a lot more energy into making the rocket fuel then we get out of it.  The form of the fuel, its energy density, power density, etc matter more than the efficiency.
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Picking up a piece of wood and burning it for heat is OU, depending on how much energy you expend doing it. Same as picking and eating a banana.
I think you will find common agreement that each has a COP > 1.  I think that only a small minority would call either is OU.
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #949 on: May 16, 2014, 01:04:31 AM »
"I must say that I like the hydralic motor idea of driving the generator, this in itself is an energy saver (huge torque for little input)." that is incorrect; hydraulics don't save energy. Agood electric motor can get >95% efficiency, better than a hydraulic system.


You did not read what I said (huge torque for little input) I never mentioned efficiency, you did, and yes you can get electric motors up to 95%, but for the same torque NO, they will draw huge currents in a "direct drive", hydralics are the best variable torque direct drive that you can get.


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #949 on: May 16, 2014, 01:04:31 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #950 on: May 16, 2014, 01:22:27 AM »
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Q: "A magnet is pulled out of a shorted superconducting aircoil.  Does the magnitude of the final current induced in that coil depend on how quickly the magnet is pulled out ?".
The answer is yes...

@MarkE

I am sorry but you are wrong.


I talked to Professor John Belcher from MIT Department of Physics and his answer to this question was "no".

Inspired by his statements I made a small experiment with a tiny NdFeB cylindrical magnet (OD 3mm, TH 4mm) to avoid flux pinning and a $100 superconducting SrOCaBiCuP hollow tube (model CST-15) from CAN Superconductors.
http://shop.can-superconductors.com/category.php?id_category=12


I "froze" the superconducting tube with LN while the magnet was inside it.  The magnet was superglued to a plastic rod (positioned on tube's axis) and I removed it from the superconducting tube with different speeds to a large distance (2m).
The final magnetic flux density (measured by a Hall probe when the magnet was away) inside and near the superconducting tube was always the same regardless of the speed and path that the magnet took during its removal ...and thus the final current flowing in the tube must have been the same, too.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #951 on: May 16, 2014, 01:40:09 AM »
Did you try to measure the attraction force that the SC ring exerted on the departing magnet as a function of distance?
If "yes", did the F(d) function varied with speed of the magnet?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #951 on: May 16, 2014, 01:40:09 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #952 on: May 16, 2014, 01:46:33 AM »
Sorry, I did not - it was just a quick mock-up with a loaned superconducting tube that I had to return before the lab closed.  I had no time for time-consuming plots of force vs. distance.
However I can write that the force felt constant to my hand and it seemed to be independent of magnet's speed.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #953 on: May 16, 2014, 03:40:36 AM »
The answer is yes...


@MarkE

I am sorry but you are wrong.
Yes the mistake that I made and acknowledged further in the thread is that I failed to account for the integration.  Faster speed yields a higher di/dt, but T is proportionally smaller.
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I talked to Professor John Belcher from MIT Department of Physics and his answer to this question was "no".

Inspired by his statements I made a small experiment with a tiny NdFeB cylindrical magnet (OD 3mm, TH 4mm) to avoid flux pinning and a $100 superconducting SrOCaBiCuP hollow tube (model CST-15) from CAN Superconductors.
http://shop.can-superconductors.com/category.php?id_category=12


I "froze" the superconducting tube with LN while the magnet was inside it.  The magnet was superglued to a plastic rod (positioned on tube's axis) and I removed it from the superconducting tube with different speeds to a large distance (2m).
The final magnetic flux density (measured by a Hall probe when the magnet was away) inside and near the superconducting tube was always the same regardless of the speed and path that the magnet took during its removal ...and thus the final current flowing in the tube must have been the same, too.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #953 on: May 16, 2014, 03:40:36 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #954 on: May 16, 2014, 05:04:47 AM »
 To all:
 
I have just posted another loopback power generator here on the QEG thread as to get  “free energy” experts to express more opinions why this works as well as my  previous post of mine was ignored  ( ??  Maybe it’s possible that the free energy experts are gagging as they just are too mute to answer.. 
 
Well !!! lost your  enthusiasim to discredit this also ??? 
 
I am sick of the petty fighting here !! Grow up !! unless your are a kid here…
 
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To memoryman thanks !!
here is one for you.. it’s “hydraulic” also….
 
 
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To: centraflow / Mike,
thanks for the great comment !!
 
You will have to get to Valencia and get specifics on these generators as the fate of the world will depend on making these power generators by the millions, it will solve human problem of over population..  and I am NOT making light of this situation.. I have cousins in Spain also.. 
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-Bg3cfdnCM&feature=youtu.be
 
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Thanks Sterling, A. for this post..

http://pesn.com/2014/05/15/9602500_FOUND--350kVA-QMoGen_by_AG-Energies-India-Pvt-Ltd/
 
AG Energies India Pvt Ltd is an Indian company, which produces pollution free hydraulic cylinder power generator, is an alternate energy which uses less fuel requires minimum space for installation at an attractive price.[/color]
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This pollution free hydraulic cylinder power generator, for the first time in history, a hydraulic cylinder is being used for obtaining a circular or rotary motion, which can be obtained either vertically or horizontally, depending upon the configuration of the machine.[/color]
 
This Invention is about an alternate power generating unit which is Fuel Less, Cost Effective & Pollution Free. It is very effective way of Generating Energy which does not consume any fuel and is Pollution free, as compared to the present conventional methods of generating energy, which are very expensive and at the same time pollute the atmosphere. There may be several methods of generating power; however none of these are not cost effective, as this newly developed Power Generating Unit. This Invention is a boon for the rural segment in particular and remote areas, such as hilly regions where installation is very difficult.[/color]
 
Acca…..

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #955 on: May 16, 2014, 06:35:41 AM »
Wow that looks like real generating equipment!  It looks to me like some big pieces were connected together.

Do you have test data to back up your claim?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #955 on: May 16, 2014, 06:35:41 AM »
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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #956 on: May 16, 2014, 06:44:06 AM »
They have their story that they tell which includes selling working units.  Let's hear from some of the happy customers.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #957 on: May 16, 2014, 07:02:16 AM »
Richard, what part of my direct statement that I mistook you for Hope Girl do you not find to be an admission?

I didn't make a joke of my mistake.  I made a joke of your suggestion that I might confuse anyone with the handle Clinton for the ex President or former First Lady.


What part of your personality do you find missing?   You have a psychopathic denied of social injustice and an ego beyond any picture of a healthy being.   You curt venues are just denials of your ability to fit in without acting well beyond your abilities.  Being here along time does not give you card blanch authority, but of course you will just be yet kurt again and move along.   Get some help of a professional nature, like your ex said.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #958 on: May 16, 2014, 07:37:48 AM »

What part of your personality do you find missing?   You have a psychopathic denied of social injustice and an ego beyond any picture of a healthy being.   You curt venues are just denials of your ability to fit in without acting well beyond your abilities.  Being here along time does not give you card blanch authority, but of course you will just be yet kurt again and move along.   Get some help of a professional nature, like your ex said.

MarkE hasn't been here a long time, as his high post count would otherwise suggest.  His registration to this forum was on January 9, of 2014.  However, his high post count (2,149) in such a very short period of time (less than 5 months) is highly reflective of his true nature for being here.  He is trolling this forum, and a bad troll at that, as evidence by the high volume and poor quality of his posts.  You will find in many of his posts a concept called, "argument by assertion".  Argument by assertion is the logical fallacy where someone tries to argue a point by merely asserting that it is true, regardless of contradiction.  He also uses a technique called "psychological projection", which is the act or technique of defending oneself against unpleasant impulses by denying their existence in oneself, while attributing them to others. For example, a person who is rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #959 on: May 16, 2014, 08:59:34 AM »

What part of your personality do you find missing?   You have a psychopathic denied of social injustice and an ego beyond any picture of a healthy being.   You curt venues are just denials of your ability to fit in without acting well beyond your abilities.  Being here along time does not give you card blanch authority, but of course you will just be yet kurt again and move along.   Get some help of a professional nature, like your ex said.
A phony psychiatric workup topped with a made up claim from an ex that doesn't exist is not impressive.

 

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