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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1822330 times)

Offline descripttime

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1065 on: May 21, 2014, 02:15:24 AM »

 Hi MileHigh
Thanks for your messages 1038, 1039 and 1041. I followed your argumentation, and I will try to induce some more technical hope towards that kind of electromagnetic device.
I am not sure if I understood the configuration of your virtual exciter coil (is it spinning or wound on the toroid somewhere ?) but anyway your argumentation is based on a conventional analysis mixing normal alternator behaviour (with Lenz law unavoidable) and variable reluctance or flux switch alternator (used in aircrafts, but none replicated, to my knowledge, showing overunit energetic balance).
However, other researchers in the past have demonstrated that when you have simultaneously variable reluctance, relatively quick varying current di/dt in the coil(s), and mechanical movement (for example of a ferromagnetic pole piece) you can tap non conventional energy (aether energy, ZPE, the name is not important).
For example, you might want to check this article which is written by a serious researcher:
http://www.intalek.com/Index/Projects/Research/jap77.pdf
Osamu Ide is no fancy charlatan, he has also applied for a patent on a super-efficient inverter (alleged to be 400% O.U. in other publications, not in the patent), you might want to give a look; it is a static device, however:
http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/biblio?DB=EPODOC&II=0&ND=3&adjacent=true&locale=en_CH&FT=D&date=20130522&CC=EP&NR=2595300A1&KC=A1
you have also this link (mentioned by a member of this forum, if I remember right) where a non scammer researcher (Art Porter) is disclosing practically all the details of a > 200% prototype based also on variable reluctance:
http://gap-power.com
and I had a regretted friend in Europe who developed an improved version of the Raymond Kromrey’s machine. He could achieve 138%.
These mentioned devices are not parametric; when you add this effect, you can obtain better COPs, but for this, you must increase the voltage and the frequency (as the effect is proportional to the square of the LC tank voltage and the square of the frequency).
I do not say it is easy task to get high COPs with such electromagnetic devices. Trying to explain their operation with conventional physics is a dead end, and there is no consistent new theory able to predict those effects, only preliminary attempts. And please, a recommendation to all who still are citing the 1st principle of energy conservation to say that free energy is impossible: this 1st principle is only valid for closed systems... has somebody seen already a closed system ? just a closed mental fiction... think about nuclear energy; in 1850, it did not exist... in 1950, it is obvious... because the systems and the minds were opened !
There are also many losses mechanisms in electromagnetic machines. Much research and skill is needed to decrease them. But of course with a cut and try amateur way like James is doing, no wonder he gets 35%.
Best, descripttime.
 

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1066 on: May 21, 2014, 02:24:49 AM »
PCB,

Here is a proposed posting for you:

Unfortunately this is a false alarm and the QEG is not producing over unity.  You do not use the peak-to-peak values for the voltage and the current measurements for the light bulb load to measure the power dissipation.  The correct way to do it is to use one-half of the peak-to-peak values and then multiply them by 0.7071.  This gives you what is called the "RMS" (Root Mean Square) values for the voltage and current.

The power dissipated in the light bulb load is Vrms x Irms.

The reason you use RMS values is because this factors in the fact that higher voltages (or currents) give you disproportionally higher power dissipation levels.

1900 volts peak-to-peak, divided by two equals 950 volts.
950 volts times 0.7071 gives you 671.7 volts RMS
0.95 amps peak-to-peak divided by two gives you 0.475 amps.
0.475 amps times 0.7071 gives you 0.3359 amps RMS.
671.7 Volts RMS x 0.3359 Amps RMS = 226 watts
The electric motor is drawing 655 watts of power.
Therefore the efficiency of the QEG is 226/655 x 100 = 34.5%.


Thanks, I very much appreciate you taking time to write this. Having most of the day to ruminate about this, perhaps what would be more powerful is to reverse things and calculate backwards, starting with a real power output of 10 KW. What would be the Vp-p on the secondary and on the primary given 5 Amps at the output (limits of the gauge of wired used)?  I think that the primary voltage would not be achievable due to breakdown. The core is being reworked for higher voltages, even so I'm sure that the voltage levels would be way too high even for the new core. Approaching things from this angle might get more attention from Jamie etal, and others following the QEG story on the Internet. What do you think?




Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1067 on: May 21, 2014, 02:27:36 AM »
I read somewhere that HopeGirl (a.k.a "Hope Moore") is James' daughter.  I don't know more than reading it just once.

Daughter, or wife? Sterling's web page gives several links to her blog and donation pages and calls her his wife. Which probably means she's really his daughter.
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I believe that the claim of free energy is still up on her blog with the donate button, way more than 24 hours after the claim.  I can't believe that James and HopeGirl don't talk several times a day.  So I have no faith in James.  Not that I had faith in him before as I posted a week ago.  I doesn't fit for me.  I don't believe in James the patsy.
Yes, the lying claims are still up and people are still donating by the minute.
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For MarkE, yes yes yes!  Great idea with the step-down transformer then the variac then the big fat power resistor.  That gives you a big fat AC load where you can dial in the impedance!  Freaking awesome man!

See then we could all sit around the QEG like boy scouts and toast free energy marshmallows over the resistor and sing Kumbayah!

MileHigh

MOT.

Rip apart a microwave oven, use the transformer's 2kV winding as the "primary" by hooking it directly to the output of the QEG. It will work on 400 Hz, just not quite as efficiently as on 50-60 Hz, but MOTs are not designed for efficiency anyway, they are designed to be cheap to make.
Now you can draw off high-amperage 120 or 220 VAC from the "secondary" of the MOT. Run your Variac on this output and then go and light up your load bank of bulbs. 




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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1068 on: May 21, 2014, 02:35:06 AM »
@descripttime: none of the "overunity" devices you mention have been self-looped to function without any external source of power. Why is that? I know for an absolute fact that if someone shows me a 200 percent OU electrical device, I can take the output power, store and convert it to whatever the input power requirement is, and make it run itself. I believe from your posts that you probably have the knowledge to do this too. Even a 138 percent OU electrical device should be capable of self-looping, because conversion losses can be made very small with good design. For example, a QMo-Gen that makes 38 percent more output power than input should be easily self-looped, because the drive motor can be as much as 90 or more percent efficient in turning input power to torque.

So if you want to claim that those devices and measurements are real and valid.... you should also be able to explain why none of them have ever been self-looped... and why their inventors are still paying electric bills on their homes.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1069 on: May 21, 2014, 02:35:46 AM »
PCB,

Please check back to my posting again.  I improved the prose and made it clearer.  I don't think working back from 10 kilowatts is something to mention now.  Perhaps in a week or so if the posting stirs up controversy and you still have posting privileges.  I suggest that you post my new improved version and see what happens.

There is a chance that the posting will be deleted and you will be banned.  Such is life and the HopeStompers can't control the whole Internet.

MileHigh

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1070 on: May 21, 2014, 02:43:40 AM »
Descripttime,

I may look but I can't guarantee it.  My instincts are telling me "No!"  I pay no attention to the whole open system/closed system argument.  Note the over unity claim was made about 20 years ago and still nothing.  That should tell you something.

Imagine you have an ideal inductor in your hands made of pliable wire with current flowing through it.  As you change the shape of the wire, that changes the inductance, and therefore the current flow has to change to respect COE.

You see that every time you watch a figure skating competition on TV.  While the figure skater spins they can modulate their speed by moving their arms in and out.  That's an analog of the ideal inductor mentioned above.

MileHigh

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1071 on: May 21, 2014, 03:35:25 AM »
So what your saying is that this is really a cult? Facts. engineering truths and alike do not really matter here. I'm wondering if Jamie part of the cult or just a tool?

Not in the traditional sense of what you would consider to be a cult. But it is a growing community based around personal spirituality. Frequency and resonance are key here as they are important elements in their spiritual path to enlightenment. This is why the QEG project is so easily assimilated and supported by so many around the world.   

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1072 on: May 21, 2014, 04:06:37 AM »
So what your saying is that this is really a cult? Facts. engineering truths and alike do not really matter here. I'm wondering if Jamie part of the cult or just a tool?

Not in the traditional sense of what you would consider to be a cult. But it is a growing community based around personal spirituality. Frequency and resonance are key here as they are important elements in their spiritual path to enlightenment. This is why the QEG project is so easily assimilated and supported by so many around the world.   


I have seen this many times from the Joe Cell supporters and even the Mylow Magentic motor fan club. They act and behave like a cult in many ways. Sad but true, and cults are an easy way to pander the ego and scam for money.
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Mark

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1073 on: May 21, 2014, 05:57:03 AM »
PCB,

Here is a proposed posting for you:

Unfortunately this is a false alarm and the QEG is not producing over unity.  You do not use the peak-to-peak values for the voltage and the current to measure the power dissipation for the light bulb load.  The correct way to do it is to use one-half of the peak-to-peak values and then multiply them by 0.7071.  This gives you what is called the "RMS" (Root Mean Square) values for the voltage and current.

The power dissipated in the light bulb load is Vrms x Irms.

The reason you use RMS values is because this factors in the fact that higher voltages (or currents) give you disproportionally higher power dissipation levels.

1900 volts peak-to-peak, divided by two equals 950 volts.
950 volts times 0.7071 gives you 671.7 volts RMS
0.95 amps peak-to-peak divided by two gives you 0.475 amps.
0.475 amps times 0.7071 gives you 0.3359 amps RMS.
671.7 Volts RMS x 0.3359 Amps RMS = 226 watts
The electric motor is drawing 655 watts of power.
Therefore the efficiency of the QEG is 226/655 x 100 = 34.5%.


P.S.:  Rearranged one sentence and much better now.

And if opposition arises to the question of using RMS such as:
1.  We need to thing outside the box.
2.  That is the old wasteful oil cabal way of power wattage.
3.  Quantum does not work that way.

then state RMS is how the meter is measuring the motor power, in Watt mode as opposed to VA mode.  You trust RMS for the motor but not for the QEG?
Just in case, have that at the ready.

Another way of approaching the group is this, have them not use the kill-a-watt meter and instead manually measure the motor's power using the way they do, Peak to Peak.  When their erroneous calculation of a 240V 1000W motor (given power factor of 0.99) shows 7989W, what could the QEG group say to explain this away.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1074 on: May 21, 2014, 08:20:42 AM »
You really need to take the time to review all of this information below.
FYI this is a quotes taken from this site. http://z13.invisionfree.com/HARD_Qs/index.php?showtopic=100

If you dig a bit, you will find that Naicheval Robitai, is Hopegirl's MOTHER (!!!)
So it seems she has raised money for a project "invented" by her father, or her mother's partner

Raising Money for a step-father's project.
: and not revealing the familial connection in the promotion - is NOT KOSHER imho!

This isn't funding a free energy project, its funding Hope Girl's bank account.
   
 
All about Hopegirl http://www.fixtheworldproject.net/about-hopegirl.html
Who's going to blow the whistle on her? For misappropriation of funds???
« Last Edit: May 21, 2014, 12:42:13 PM by Angelic »

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1075 on: May 21, 2014, 10:45:29 AM »
At first i was greatly cheered and hopeful. Because of the reference to Tesla technology, which I believe is probably correct.

But, as time goes by, there are far too many serious danger signs.

Tesla technology was VASTLY DIFFERENT  than conventional present day electrical technology. These Hopegirl (possible) (scammers) have only written of small variations of present day technology. 

And they seem to have vanished. Sucking pina coladas sitting on the beach in Bali Hai?

Next?


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1076 on: May 21, 2014, 11:23:27 AM »
In one of the videos, Jamie says that the QEG is a high voltage device, not a low voltage one as they had first thougth. Interesting statement since he supposedly had already built his own prototype. He then goes on to say that if they can get the output voltage up to 2KV and the current to 5 amps they will have their 10KW generator. Right from the beginning these guys have assumed that the output power is simply volts times amps. Jamie can not be an engineer. No engineer would do this for an AC system, but these guys do. Does anybody present at these gatherings even raise their hand and mention rms or power factor.  I for one have not heard these terms in any of their videos or seen them mentioned in blog posts of others reporting back to the masses. 
 
MileHigh did a great job of explaining things. I'd like to see a concise posting formulated and placed on the http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum. If you have posting privileges it will appear immediately. This posting should be screen captured and posted back here. If it later is removed this would indicated that they are knowingly scamming folks.

I would suggest that perhaps MileHigh should take the lead on preparing a concise power cal analysis. I have posting privileges and would be pleased to post it in response to Dave Starbuck Sunday, May 18, 2014 posting.


LOOK!
These (possible) HopeGirl scammers have traded on the Tesla name.

Tesla technology was based on very high frequency, very high voltage , parameters.

HopeGirl (possible) scammers are promoting low frequency, low voltage, technology.

No matter how many pink tutus you pin on the pig, it is still just a pig in a pink tutu.


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1077 on: May 21, 2014, 01:26:45 PM »
PCB,

Please check back to my posting again.  I improved the prose and made it clearer.  I don't think working back from 10 kilowatts is something to mention now.  Perhaps in a week or so if the posting stirs up controversy and you still have posting privileges.  I suggest that you post my new improved version and see what happens.

There is a chance that the posting will be deleted and you will be banned.  Such is life and the HopeStompers can't control the whole Internet.

MileHigh
 
Posted with a few editorial changes:

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1078 on: May 21, 2014, 02:28:33 PM »
You've had a reply. Apparently there is another report from Robitaille of new measurements where he actually uses the term "RMS" and gives some details.

One continues to wonder about the elephant in the room: with all this "overunity" power output.... they still can't make it run itself. Even though any competent electrical engineer given, say, a 3000 watt electrical power source on the left end of the table and a 1000 watt electrical load on the right end of the table, can hook them together without much difficulty, no matter in what strange form the 3000 watt source is producing.

Pretty colored lines on an oscilloscope, and columns of spreadsheet numbers, do NOT equal "overunity"! If you are getting an output of three times the input and you still can't make a self-looped system... then you are not measuring something properly, you aren't holding your mouth right, or perhaps you just don't have enough colored clipleads. For sure... you don't have overunity, no matter what your self-generated numbers might say. There are many more ways to measure incorrectly than you have dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio.



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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1079 on: May 21, 2014, 04:29:25 PM »
You've had a reply. Apparently there is another report from Robitaille of new measurements where he actually uses the term "RMS" and gives some details.

One continues to wonder about the elephant in the room: with all this "overunity" power output.... they still can't make it run itself. Even though any competent electrical engineer given, say, a 3000 watt electrical power source on the left end of the table and a 1000 watt electrical load on the right end of the table, can hook them together without much difficulty, no matter in what strange form the 3000 watt source is producing.

Pretty colored lines on an oscilloscope, and columns of spreadsheet numbers, do NOT equal "overunity"! If you are getting an output of three times the input and you still can't make a self-looped system... then you are not measuring something properly, you aren't holding your mouth right, or perhaps you just don't have enough colored clipleads. For sure... you don't have overunity, no matter what your self-generated numbers might say. There are many more ways to measure incorrectly than you have dreamed of in your philosophy, Horatio.


Well Jamie does mention 175W rms output in his latest posting so he certainly understands how power in calculated, less in fact then MileHigh estimated. That doesn't change the fact that HopeGirl started fund raising off of a bogus claim of overunity. Jamie now says they are getting 1590W RMS power output for 800W input. At least he is being somewhat more careful in his reporting. This is the first report I believe of excess power so self looping should be there next goal I would think. I wish them luck that they will achieve this shortly.