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Author Topic: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)  (Read 1822327 times)

Offline PCB

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1050 on: May 20, 2014, 01:34:54 PM »
In one of the videos, Jamie says that the QEG is a high voltage device, not a low voltage one as they had first thougth. Interesting statement since he supposedly had already built his own prototype. He then goes on to say that if they can get the output voltage up to 2KV and the current to 5 amps they will have their 10KW generator. Right from the beginning these guys have assumed that the output power is simply volts times amps. Jamie can not be an engineer. No engineer would do this for an AC system, but these guys do. Does anybody present at these gatherings even raise their hand and mention rms or power factor.  I for one have not heard these terms in any of their videos or seen them mentioned in blog posts of others reporting back to the masses. 
 
MileHigh did a great job of explaining things. I'd like to see a concise posting formulated and placed on the http://be-do.com/index.php/en/forum. If you have posting privileges it will appear immediately. This posting should be screen captured and posted back here. If it later is removed this would indicated that they are knowingly scamming folks.

I would suggest that perhaps MileHigh should take the lead on preparing a concise power cal analysis. I have posting privileges and would be pleased to post it in response to Dave Starbuck Sunday, May 18, 2014 posting.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1051 on: May 20, 2014, 02:37:41 PM »
WTF ? 35000 $ without counting indiegogo 18000 $.
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Bad news.  HopeGirl is using the alleged "over unity" clip that is actually under unity to solicit funds.  It's simply unethical behaviour.

MileHigh
Let's call a cat a cat: it's a scam.  :P
I'm more worried that kind of things will do a lot af damage in the OU community where I believe that are honest researcher out there...
In fact when I see some new-age hippy things like "HopeGirl", "One People Community", "Our mother Gaia", "Love people",
->put every new age terminology here<- , where demonstration are performed in a village in the middle of nowhere it tend to raise in my head some big red flag.  ;D
Hell, doing science is not the same things as preaching in some new age group...

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1052 on: May 20, 2014, 02:57:29 PM »

This was posted yesterday here by Hope More. A press release of sorts probably not written my hope moor herself, but clearly meant to keep the money machine going.

http://www.gofundme.com/HopeGirlFixtheworldQEG
 

Updated posted by Hope Moore 1 day ago
Important QEG update: The word from Aouchtam is OVERUNITY!!! Made possible by YOU - The People!Hope and Val left Morocco last Monday and are in the UK preparing for the next QEG build. We tried to remain in Morocco with Jamie until the goals of overunity and self-running were reached, but could not. More details coming soon (see last update for list) but we wanted to get you the good news!In this update, please open the link and watch the video of the all-important overunity step being reached. Blessings to all who helped make this possible - together we are creating the world we want to live in!

They screen says they have raise more than $34,000 and there goal is to raise an additional $20K, and they will likely do it based on this posting. "Dave" who reported the output power at 2.6 KW and later updated his number to 3 KW after supposedly talking to Jamie. Why did Jamie not correct Dave and explain that this number represented the instantaneous power and not the average power. Hope girl etal is clearly having a great time in the limelight jaunting around the globe. But its a total sham.

Offline TinselKoala

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1053 on: May 20, 2014, 06:02:36 PM »
Here's what a real resistive load looks like. Note that for under a hundred pounds Sterling one may purchase a genuine 2000 Watt resistive load of 50 ohms resistance.

https://www.inverterdrive.com/group/Dynamic-Brake-Resistors/ECOMSA-Dynamic-Braking-Resistor-50-Ohms-2000-Watt/

He just needs to push a bit under six and a half amps through that load to dissipate 2 kW. And it will only take a little over 300 volts to do it.

"But our output voltage is in the multi kV range!" Sure... and what happens when you connect an unregulated voltage source to a low impedance load?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1054 on: May 20, 2014, 08:25:20 PM »
Here's what a real resistive load looks like. Note that for under a hundred pounds Sterling one may purchase a genuine 2000 Watt resistive load of 50 ohms resistance.

https://www.inverterdrive.com/group/Dynamic-Brake-Resistors/ECOMSA-Dynamic-Braking-Resistor-50-Ohms-2000-Watt/

He just needs to push a bit under six and a half amps through that load to dissipate 2 kW. And it will only take a little over 300 volts to do it.

"But our output voltage is in the multi kV range!" Sure... and what happens when you connect an unregulated voltage source to a low impedance load?
They could always start by purchasing a load that matches the open circuit voltage by the expected current.  Even better that if by adding suitable switches or wiring options that they could change the load as needed.  For instance they could get a suitable fixed step down transformer and variac combination.  Or they could go really simple with:  2000V / 5A = 400 Ohms and buy eight of those 50 Ohm resistors, and stack them in series.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1055 on: May 20, 2014, 11:15:44 PM »
Hi;

What they need in reality is called a dump-load controller. This has four control levels
that will gate in the next section of dump-load resistance when the voltage goes
above the present dump-load high level preset or exit that level when the voltage goes
below the present low preset level. It acts against the OU devices own internal impedence.
A high voltage DC to AC inverter (90%->98% eff.) has a large DC input range and the dump-load controller
keeps the DC voltage within that range, wasting energy not being used in the load.
This is designed for wind/power operations where excess energy can not be utilized.
Don't have DC level power?: use a power bridge rectifier to make it. Photoflash cap. Filter Keep attaching
incandescent load lamps to the AC output side of the inverter. Please: only count
fully lit 100Watt bulbs as OU output power. Don't measure circulating power in the
OU device to count as overunity...Overunity power is in output dummy load only. Don't use
LED bulbs or CFL's without taking real wattage into account. As load bulbs come on line
the load-dump controller resistances automatically will drop away. Future designs of the
overunity device can self limit power. Working OK?...remove dummy load, reprogram the inverter
and hook it to the grid line and pump energy back toward utility generator.


:S:MarkSCoffman


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1056 on: May 20, 2014, 11:26:17 PM »
Which OU device are you referring to, mscoffman? I have yet to see one.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1057 on: May 20, 2014, 11:46:38 PM »
Hi;

What they need in reality is called a dump-load controller. This has four control levels
that will gate in the next section of dump-load resistance when the voltage goes
above the present dump-load high level preset or exit that level when the voltage goes
below the present low preset level. It acts against the OU devices own internal impedence.
A high voltage DC to AC inverter (90%->98% eff.) has a large DC input range and the dump-load controller
keeps the DC voltage within that range, wasting energy not being used in the load.
This is designed for wind/power operations where excess energy can not be utilized.
Don't have DC level power?: use a power bridge rectifier to make it. Photoflash cap. Filter Keep attaching
incandescent load lamps to the AC output side of the inverter. Please: only count
fully lit 100Watt bulbs as OU output power. Don't measure circulating power in the
OU device to count as overunity...Overunity power is in output dummy load only. Don't use
LED bulbs or CFL's without taking real wattage into account. As load bulbs come on line
the load-dump controller resistances automatically will drop away. Future designs of the
overunity device can self limit power. Working OK?...remove dummy load, reprogram the inverter
and hook it to the grid line and pump energy back toward utility generator.


:S:MarkSCoffman
Under some static operating conditions a static load should be identifiable that results in maximum output.  Wind turbines face highly variable source conditions so having a variable load is important.  Solar inverters all have MPP controllers for the same reason. 

These guys have to contend with he very dangerous 2KV.  I personally would put the output through a step down transformer and then couple to a load through a variac.  That way the load can just be dialed in.  If the phase is fixed then a voltmeter and ammeter combination is enough to indicate relative power so that the operator can dial the variac to the maximum power point.  Step wise resistors are just a poor man's approximation for the variac.  If they aren't going to use a step-down transformer, then the resistor stack is a more practical and safe way to deal with that 2KV than trying to locate and then operate a 2KV variac.  Such a thing is likely to be quite expensive.  I don't think that even stage lighting equipment goes that high.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1058 on: May 20, 2014, 11:53:13 PM »
These guys have to contend with he very dangerous 2KV.  I personally would put the output through a step down transformer and then couple to a load through a variac.

Please show your replication, the 17 posts per day will not make you "expert" in this field... ;)

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1059 on: May 20, 2014, 11:56:25 PM »
(PCB)Does anybody present at these gatherings even raise their hand and mention rms or power factor.  I for one have not heard these terms in any of their videos or seen them mentioned in blog posts of others reporting back to the masses.
Let's call a cat a cat: it's a scam.  :P
(SchubertReijiMaigo)I'm more worried that kind of things will do a lot af damage in the OU community where I believe that are honest researcher out there...
In fact when I see some new-age hippy things like "HopeGirl", "One People Community", "Our mother Gaia", "Love people",
->put every new age terminology here<- , where demonstration are performed in a village in the middle of nowhere it tend to raise in my head some big red flag.  ;D
Hell, doing science is not the same things as preaching in some new age group...

The reason that you do not see any of these things is because they are more of a gathering of "like minded" supporters of Hope Moore. These groups are very supportive of each other and and Hope Girl is using this to rally support in the pretence that they are working to help those who are in need of electricity around the world. Unfortunately she is grabbing every little piece of information that comes her way and sensationalizing it in order to ramp up her following. I am sure that James is not even aware of what she is putting out there until after the fact. There is an increasingly larger number of people all over the world that will be drawn to this. Not because of its technical merits or its breaking new age technology. That is why I think that the majority of the funding is coming in from people who are spiritually snared by the Hope Girl campaign.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1060 on: May 21, 2014, 12:02:15 AM »
"But our output voltage is in the multi kV range!" Sure... and what happens when you connect an unregulated voltage source to a low impedance load?

Impedance mismatch, maybe in this case the voltage will collapse (like loading any LC).
A Buck-Boost converter could do the job to match impedance.
A solar inverter will be more appropriate (they have a chip to regulate power).

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1061 on: May 21, 2014, 01:57:07 AM »
(PCB)Does anybody present at these gatherings even raise their hand and mention rms or power factor.  I for one have not heard these terms in any of their videos or seen them mentioned in blog posts of others reporting back to the masses.
Let's call a cat a cat: it's a scam.
(SchubertReijiMaigo)I'm more worried that kind of things will do a lot af damage in the OU community where I believe that are honest researcher out there...
In fact when I see some new-age hippy things like "HopeGirl", "One People Community", "Our mother Gaia", "Love people",
->put every new age terminology here<- , where demonstration are performed in a village in the middle of nowhere it tend to raise in my head some big red flag.
Hell, doing science is not the same things as preaching in some new age group...

The reason that you do not see any of these things is because they are more of a gathering of "like minded" supporters of Hope Moore. These groups are very supportive of each other and and Hope Girl is using this to rally support in the pretence that they are working to help those who are in need of electricity around the world. Unfortunately she is grabbing every little piece of information that comes her way and sensationalizing it in order to ramp up her following. I am sure that James is not even aware of what she is putting out there until after the fact. There is an increasingly larger number of people all over the world that will be drawn to this. Not because of its technical merits or its breaking new age technology. That is why I think that the majority of the funding is coming in from people who are spiritually snared by the Hope Girl campaign.


So what your saying is that this is really a cult? Facts. engineering truths and alike do not really matter here. I'm wondering if Jamie part of the cult or just a tool?

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1062 on: May 21, 2014, 01:59:33 AM »
PCB,

Here is a proposed posting for you:

Unfortunately this is a false alarm and the QEG is not producing over unity.  You do not use the peak-to-peak values for the voltage and the current to measure the power dissipation for the light bulb load.  The correct way to do it is to use one-half of the peak-to-peak values and then multiply them by 0.7071.  This gives you what is called the "RMS" (Root Mean Square) values for the voltage and current.

The power dissipated in the light bulb load is Vrms x Irms.

The reason you use RMS values is because this factors in the fact that higher voltages (or currents) give you disproportionally higher power dissipation levels.

1900 volts peak-to-peak, divided by two equals 950 volts.
950 volts times 0.7071 gives you 671.7 volts RMS
0.95 amps peak-to-peak divided by two gives you 0.475 amps.
0.475 amps times 0.7071 gives you 0.3359 amps RMS.
671.7 Volts RMS x 0.3359 Amps RMS = 226 watts
The electric motor is drawing 655 watts of power.
Therefore the efficiency of the QEG is 226/655 x 100 = 34.5%.


P.S.:  Rearranged one sentence and much better now.

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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1063 on: May 21, 2014, 02:00:30 AM »
The problem with a transformer or variac is it acts like a CVT which will pass unused power back to a previous stage, but if that stage
can't regulate, then passing the power back to it serves no purpose. The first stage where power comes from drive motor can regulate
but I think we can bet it won't do so with full stability. If the machine comes up non segmented (no-adjustments except for final load)
then it will come up cleanly for step resistance too. As far as converter impedence mismatch, that is the problem, the unit needs to
be able suport the low impedence of the load with stability so that it can claim to have powered that load.

Fortunately for photovoltaics they tend to behave with stability whether one uses their energy or not. I believe the MPP alogrithm used
might introduce instability into a sensitive source.

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One additional thing. It may be desirable to have an RFI "hash" filter between QEG (dc) output and an inverter
to delete spikes from static and out of band noise like from 400Hz ripple. You may want to look up the following
TE.CORCOM component under the the title of;; It's not necessarily designed to be used on the DC side but
after checking that is where I would put it. These are generally inexpensive insurance. I didn't check price on
this one. Again this low impedence to "noise" might mess with QEG operation.

Single Phase Power Line Filter for Frequency Converters


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Re: Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) Open Sourced (by HopeGirl)
« Reply #1064 on: May 21, 2014, 02:12:04 AM »
I read somewhere that HopeGirl (a.k.a "Hope Moore") is James' daughter.  I don't know more than reading it just once.

I believe that the claim of free energy is still up on her blog with the donate button, way more than 24 hours after the claim.  I can't believe that James and HopeGirl don't talk several times a day.  So I have no faith in James.  Not that I had faith in him before as I posted a week ago.  I doesn't fit for me.  I don't believe in James the patsy.

For MarkE, yes yes yes!  Great idea with the step-down transformer then the variac then the big fat power resistor.  That gives you a big fat AC load where you can dial in the impedance!  Freaking awesome man!

See then we could all sit around the QEG like boy scouts and toast free energy marshmallows over the resistor and sing Kumbayah!

MileHigh