Author Topic: Captret - Capacitor and Electret (Read 322295 times)

ibpointless2 · « **Reply #150 on:** November 16, 2010, 05:18:11 PM »

Here is the latest captret i've been working on. battery started with 6.31 volts but now is up to 6.37 volts . The other battery voltage went up to 1.661 volts but has been dropping and is now at 1.122 volts. Whats weird about his circuit is that higher charge battery should be the one going down and the lower charge battery should be going up so that they would equal themselves out, but the opposite happens.

The voltage in the capacitor - and the + are also going up too.

I'm thinking about replacing the lower battery voltage one with a super cap to see if i get the same effect.

The lower voltage battery's negative terminal becomes the positive and the higher battery negative terminal becomes the negative.

lasersaber · « **Reply #151 on:** November 16, 2010, 06:32:03 PM »

Testing the Captret: is this free energy? Part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bExjc8PcAQA

slapper · « **Reply #152 on:** November 16, 2010, 07:38:16 PM »

Here is a link to a Rex Research article by Gregory Hodowanec.
http://www.rexresearch.com/1hodorhys/remag86/remag86.htm

It basically shows that if you connect a discharged electrolytic (the larger the better) cap
to a high impedance op amp you can see various spikes, peaks and valleys displayed on
the scope over time.

I tested this using some very high impedance op amps that I had available at the time
and there was definitely a lot of activity across the cap that I could not account for.

I did this shortly after the Radio Electronics magazine article was released back in April
of 1986.

Their claim in the article and the link is that the changes in voltage were the result of
changes in gravity or scaler waves.

I'll have to dig that magazine up sometime as I don't throw anything away. But it may
be buried pretty deep and the link pretty much goes over everything, and then some,
compared to the magazine article.

Take care.

nap

e2matrix · « **Reply #153 on:** November 16, 2010, 08:10:37 PM »

Quote from: Groundloop on November 15, 2010, 08:59:01 PM

@e2matrix,

I'm currently running a test with a 9V (actually 8,4V) NiCad, 150mAh.
I never could get this to work until I discovered that all my electrolytic
capacitors wanted to be positive at the can measured against the negative
terminal. So I used a ultra fast diode as shown in the attached drawing.
My NiCad has SLOWELY been gaining voltage from 7,36 Volt (yesterday)
to 7,56 Volt (today). I have no conclusions yet if the battery has gained
any real charge. One thing is for sure, I have repeated a shorting test of a capacitor
many times, and it always charge back to approx. 0,05 Volt. So the anomaly
of capacitor self charge is real. All my recharging tests with 9V depleted Duracell
batteries has been negative so far.

Alex.

Thanks for looking into this Groundloop. It's always great to see input from you on something like this as I know you understand much of this better than most of us. I haven't read further here in the thread yet to see if you have more results on the battery that seemed to be charging but I am encouraged somewhat by your observations. It does seem like a rather small increase but as I understand it NiMH and the like might have a very small self recovery for a short period after use but will not continue to recover like an alkaline. Has this continued to increase (assuming it's still running) ?

ibpointless2 · « **Reply #154 on:** November 16, 2010, 08:31:59 PM »

Here is my results so far with my latest captret circuit.

Groundloop · « **Reply #155 on:** November 16, 2010, 08:32:37 PM »

@e2matrix,

Yes the circuit is still running. The voltage is at 7,60 Volt now and is still going up.
But the voltage climb speed has slowed down. It takes a very long time before I
see a 0,01 Volt increase. I will let the circuit run for many days to see what happen.

I also has designed a CapTret library entry for my electronic CAD program. I then designed
the attached circuit and PCB. My plan is to series enough capacitors to get a high enough
voltage to run a Joule Thief as a boost charger, or just light up some white LEDs.
I plan to put 100 capacitors is series and then 10 PCBs in parallel, totaling 1000 caps.
My PCB can take 100 pcs. 10mm modified capacitors. I have found that the easiest way
to add a new wire to the capacitor is to first remove the plastic covering, add a wire
to the bare metal, and then use a heat shrink tube plastic over the wire.

I will be a LOT of work to modify 1000 capacitors, but heck, someone have to try this.

Alex.

Sprocket · « **Reply #156 on:** November 16, 2010, 09:38:59 PM »

My 2 cents - just had a play with a few caps, yes, I get the 'flash' the led using the capacitor case & the positive terminal, followed by another when the led is powered from the terminals themselves - so a successful replication!!!

Unfortunately, when you monitor the voltage across the cap while simultaneously powering the led from the capacitor case, you can clearly see the voltage drop rapidly - so there is no doubt (in my mind anyway) that the 'effect' is simply a result of leakage. Also, if you charge the cap to just above the turn-on voltage of the led (say 1.8V) you still get the led to light the 'normal' way (across the capacitor terminals) but nothing from across the capacitor case - not surprising as the case<->positive terminal voltage only goes to about 1V. The known-about effect of the self-charging caps has always interested me though Otherwise, moving on...

Groundloop · « **Reply #157 on:** November 16, 2010, 09:50:03 PM »

@Sprocket,

Here is a test for you. Short both wires of the capacitor. Measure the voltage
between the two shorted wires and the can. Short out the wires and the can.
Measure the voltage again. Now repeat that as many times as you can.

Groundloop.

ibpointless2 · « **Reply #158 on:** November 16, 2010, 10:59:12 PM »

Here is my simple home made captret.

What you need:

aluminum foil
pop bottle
salt
water

I have it hooked up to a dead 12 volt battery and the outer case (-) to top positive it is whats inside the battery (5.40 volts) but the outer case to captret connection (o) it is little lower (5.37 volts)

ibpointless2 · « **Reply #159 on:** November 16, 2010, 11:44:56 PM »

Now we're getting somewhere.

I made a new homemade captret but this time much different. I took another pop bottle and cut the top off. placed aluminum foil around the outside and aluminium foil around the inside, completely around. Then made a small strip of aluminum foil and hung it from the top down to the middle.

To sum it up
The negative (the outside) is the same size as the captret (around the inside), but the positive is smaller then both and its in middle with the captret foil but not touching it.

So what happen?
The battery has 5.39 volts in it, but when you read the negative and the captret(O) it reads 5.41 volts. And of course when you read the - to + of the capacitor it reads 5.39 volts just like whats in the battery.

It seems we can increase the voltage, kind of like a step up transformer.

Sprocket · « **Reply #160 on:** November 17, 2010, 12:13:10 AM »

@Groundloop - Guess I should have read more of the thread before posting (I assume this had already been posted) - that's quite intriguing!

For the record, using a 1000uF cap, after shorting and about 5 sec, the voltage is already over 0.1V, after about 30sec it is over 0.13V, using a digital meter, so despite the 10Meg loading.

I also noticed that the rate of change is temperature-dependent - grasping the capacitor tightly in your (warm) hand sees the voltage shoot up, (relatively speaking!) release it and it falls back down again. Interesting...

ibpointless2 · « **Reply #161 on:** November 17, 2010, 12:24:36 AM »

Ok, you don't need to put salt into it you only need water. Salt might corrode the aluminium foil. Thanks electricity!

The newest captret has a smaller negative on the outside and about the same size positive in the middle. The captret part is bigger then both. The voltage in battery is 5.38 volts, but negative to captret it goes up to 5.50 volts. So the bigger the captret foil and the smaller the negative and positive the higher the voltage.

This could be where the self charging is coming from, because you need higher voltage to charge and thats what the captret is doing.

tak22 · « **Reply #162 on:** November 17, 2010, 12:34:36 AM »

@Sprocket

You may find that it's more pressure dependent than temperature. Try the same experiment again but eliminate temp from the equation either by insulating your hand or use an alternate pressure method.

tak

Quote from: Sprocket on November 17, 2010, 12:13:10 AM

I also noticed that the rate of change is temperature-dependent - grasping the capacitor tightly in your (warm) hand sees the voltage shoot up, (relatively speaking!) release it and it falls back down again. Interesting...

Tito L. Oracion · « **Reply #163 on:** November 17, 2010, 01:06:24 AM »

Hi everyone!

how about pulsing a tiny coil with this captret?
i'm looking for a strong self induce energy and charge the battery.

just a wild think

great discovery

I think Tom bearden has a version of this discovery too.
http://www.cheniere.org/misc/static%20poynting%20gen.htm

i hope this vid will help us a little, some kind of a little related.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tgdhTpz230

Sprocket · « **Reply #164 on:** November 17, 2010, 01:45:55 AM »

Quote from: tak22 on November 17, 2010, 12:34:36 AM

@Sprocket

You may find that it's more pressure dependent than temperature. Try the same experiment again but eliminate temp from the equation either by insulating your hand or use an alternate pressure method.

tak

I have held it in a small vice and blew on it and the voltage also went up, stopped and it fell - that could be moisture-related but I think it has more to do with temp.

Anyway it's a moot point methinks - after trying a few more caps I found to my horror that the 'effect' is only really relevant with a single one, all others climb to a measly 20-30mV. Sooo... I spent the last hour desoldering a dozen or so more from a bust TV set - result, nada, zero, zip. They all at most increase to 20-30mV...

So I have just ONE cap that shoots up to 140mV, all the rest, nothing! I'm discouraged...

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